Talk:Wayland the Smith

message: "Caliburn, in Mary Stewart's Arthurian Legend, is the sword of Macsen, Merlin, and Arther." Well, yes: but does Mary Stewart ever say that Caliburn was forged by Wayland? Does anyone? If so, please provide a citation!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.17.129 (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Swords

message: from Wayland Smith, which now redirects to Weyland:
:"He was the son of a sailor and a mermaid and is King of the Elves.  He has two brothers. One is named Egil, also a smith. 
:In France he is known as Gallans, in Germany as Wieland, and in Norse Legend as Volund or Volundr."
Moved here because I can't verify most of it—specifically, the part about his family and his French name (Google is no help, and there are no links to fr:Gallans). —No-One Jones 21:59, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: From a redirect

message: So far as I can see, the current title, "Wayland Smith" isn't attested by either reference, and isn't the most common name, in general.  Wouldn't either Wayland the Smith or simply Wayland be more logical?  Alai 03:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some googling before I requested it be moved. Wayland Smith appears to be a well-attested name, and IMHO it is both common and unambiguous. However, I'd personally prefer just Wayland.--Berig 16:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But neither reference, so there's a total disjunct between the title, and the contents of the article.  Your google search includes hits like this on the first page, and other such variations.  I certainly don't think it's the most common term, raw google results aside.  I'd have no objection to Wayland or Weyland (one redirects here, one is a disambig, just to confuse matters).  Alai 05:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: A quick google adds some credence to my impression that Vulcan and Weyland are cognate and culturally equivalent. Is this a common belief, or just what the eccentrics are saying? If I knew better I'd edit a section in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steewi (talk • contribs) 03:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Being held captive and flying away on a bird has a whiff of Daedalus about it nej? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 13:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Cognate with Vulcan?

message: I've never heard that before and there's no citation. In the Flibbertigibbet article, the same assertion appears, citing... this article! Should Wikipedia really be citing itself for something it's got no external reference for?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.37.81 (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I'll add the fact template to both articles and it should be removed if no source can be found.  A supernatural meaning certainly existed around 1600 (e.g. in A Declaration of Egregious Popish Impostures 1603, & King Lear), but that's quite a distance from Anglo-Saxon mythology.  Indeed Wiktionary call this a Middle English word, first attested in 1450. I get the impression there are no detailed English sources on Wayland either, so it would be surprising if they listed a sidekick. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 16:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Wayland's assistant is Flibbertigibbet"

message: The reference to cartoon character Waylon Smithers is pure speculation. This character has a wiki page, where it is referenced that the name Waylon came from the puppeteer Wayland Flowers. There is no evidence offered for any link between Wayland the Smith and the cartoon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayo231 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the reference to the Weyland-Yutani Company from the Alien franchise, as there wasn't any explanation for any sort of connection. Iapetus (talk) 15:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There may be, even if only speculation. It was like some super-engineering company, right? Sounds similar to the smith.73.220.34.167 (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Modern Fiction 

message: Where did the story on here go about falling in love with, and rescuing Schwanhilde?73.220.34.167 (talk) 08:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schwanhilde? 

message: In old Scandinavian texts "Finn" refers mainly to Sámi (outdated form: "Lapp") rather than Finnish people. The term finnakonung is generally translated as "Sámi king", not "Finnish king". The literature tends to refer to Sámi chieftains/leaders as "Finn Kings", such as Svåse father of Snefrid in the stories of Harald Fairhair. 
On a side note, it is interesting to consider Völundrs status as one of three sons of a "Finn king" in relation to the traditional Norwegian connection between smithy labor and Sámi ethnicity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.19.208 (talk) 09:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding this and the recent edit, is there a source for this? I'm not doubting the claim's veracity, it would just be nice to have it supported somehow.--Ermenrich (talk) 17:01, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not. The Lapps have never been known to be smiths. They make everything from deer. They do no metal work at all. This is silly. As for "Finn". It does refer to the Lapps. But not in this case. Wieland's reference to being a Finn simply meant he was magical, as the Lapps have been perceived for generations. Alpharts Tod (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Check out the etymology section on the wiki page for the county of Finnmark, Sami people or Finns. The Norwegian and Swedish wiki pages on Volund both describe him as sami. The Norwegian lexicon "Store Norske Leksikon" also has an article on the matter: https://snl.no/finner_-_samer. The strongest english language source I have found is probably in this paper by Else Mundal at the University of Bergen: http://rp-www.arts.usyd.edu.au/medieval/saga/pdf/346-mundal.pdf 84.209.154.143 (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Finn" does not mean "Finnish" 

message: I'm not seeing any etymological information that supports Rosenfeld's "Wela-nandaz" as meaning "battle brave."
George T. Gillespie in, I believe, 'A Catalogue of Persons Named in Germanic Heroic 
Literature' suggests the name derives instead from the proto-germanic verb *welan/* Wilą -which pertains to crafting. 
*Wilą + *-ndz would therefore mean "The crafting one" and seems more appropriate Gundahariggs (talk) 14:44, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The reconstruction *Wēlandaz does not add up either. *Wilan + *-ndz would not yield a long ē in the first syllable. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 14:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Encountering this for the first time, but does anyone know if there's a relation between Wayland and Daedalus? The stories seem similar (minus Icarus). Econtheory (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. The similarity was discovered already in the Middle Ages, and the Icelanders considered them equivalents. Note that there are similarities between the myths of Indo-European speaking peoples from India to Ireland, and similarities may go back to common myths that are maybe 5000 years old, see Proto-Indo-European mythology#Smith god.--Berig (talk) 06:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related to Daedalus? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 13:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wayland the Smith →  – The current title seems rather odd to me. In any primary source I've read on him he is just referred to by his name without "the Smith" added. Modern scholarship also seems to overwhelmingly go with just his name such as Wayland, Weland, Volund and so on. In my opinion, this page title should match common use in modern scholarship and primary sources rather than a title which seems not to have a great foundation. Ingwina (talk) 09:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 December 2022