Talk:Beit Alfa

message: Here is the Hebrew Wikipedia page -
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/בית_אלפא
Would really like for someone to add more about the amazing mosaic located there.
:you can find more at Beit Alfa Synagogue --Sreifa (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: Someone changed half the article to Beit Alpha. Personally I don't know which is correct, although one would have to prove that Beit Alpha is the common name or widely accepted English-language name. Any sources? —Ynhockey (Talk) 08:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here; Here; here; here; here; here; here; here. Also, the kibbutz shares the name of the synagoge, which has thousands of sources citing "Beit Alpha". KamelTebaast 15:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: Deleting line: According to The Guardian, BAT sold water cannons to the apartheid regime in South Africa in the 1980s in a "secret pact."Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria The Guardian, 7 February 2006 Source does not state that Beit Alfa sold water cannons; does not state that it was in the 1980s, and nowhere in the article is a connection made between the "secret pact" and Beit Alfa WP:UNDUE. KamelTebaast 06:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: I am addressing edits that were made here. In the English speaking world, it has always been accepted to say "on kibbutz" not "in kibbutz". See examples: http://kibbutzprogramcenter.org/http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/04/nyregion/11-students-set-to-study-on-a-kibbutz.html  Reverting changes accordingly.  KamelTebaast 00:16, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: While I would appreciate more input here from other editors, your usage appears to be simply incorrect. For example 'on Beit Alfa' is a context-less word combination that doesn't really work. Other than that I mostly made changes to make the text more readable, it's not about specific usage. —Ynhockey (Talk) 08:11, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: , not only is it my usage, but it is accepted usage in The Wall Street Journal, The Jerusalem Post, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Haaretz, kibbutz.org, The Jewish Agency for Israel, The Algemeiner, Jewish Telegraphic Agency, The Jewish Journal, Daily Mail, The Times of Israel, Arutz Sheva, Columbia.edu, Forward, J-Weekly, and the Kibbutz Program Center. Can we put this to rest? KamelTebaast 17:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, on a kibbutz is fine, on Beit Alfa is not. None of your links provide this kind of usage. If you look here, you will notice that none of the search results (except those that copy this very page) have your usage. There are however many results for in Beit Alfa. In short, you can use 'on' with 'kibbutz', but you can't use 'on' with the name of the kibbutz. In many contexts (like 'to meet on ...') it can mean 'to meet on the subject of ...'. —Ynhockey (Talk) 10:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you never wrote "on a kibbutz is fine". The larger point is "on kibbutz", which is sourced. That is short for "on kibbutz Beit Alpha", which means you can take the kibbutz out and you're left with "on Beit Alpha". KamelTebaast 23:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ynhockey is perfectly correct that "on Beit Alfa" is bad. You can't use this sort of logical argument to determine correctness in a human language. Why argue for a fringe construction when there is a common construction available? Zerotalk 03:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

text: A traditional stand-up comic line is that when they tell you to get on the plane they really want you to get in the plane. I have a recollection that this was discussed somewhere years ago on Wikipedia, sorry, in Wikipedia, but I can't find it. Like with most English peculiarities, it's hard to give definite rules.  One can be born in New York, but never on New York, but on the other hand it is fine to be born on a farm in Tennessee but never in a farm in Tennessee.  It isn't just a matter of the size of the place, either, since you can't be born on Tennessee.  If you think of a kibbutz as a village, you will be born in it, but if you think of a kibbutz as a farm you will be born on it. I think that both usages are correct. Zerotalk 23:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, "Actor, writer, producer, comedian Seth Rogen's parents met on Beit Alfa." is borderline.  More standard would be "met at Beit Alfa".  But what is Seth Rogan, and even his photo, doing here at all?  His connection fails WP:WEIGHT. Zerotalk 00:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're born in New York, were you born on or in the street? I agree that Rogen's photo does not need to be included (I'll revert), but he is alive because his parents met on Beit Alpha. KamelTebaast 23:18, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "On the street" is a standard construction.  You can be born in a car on the street in New York on Earth in the Milky Way. Zerotalk 03:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: "It was the first visit of a head of state in the British Mandate of Palestine." — Not true, King Faisal visited in the previous year and there may have been others. Zerotalk 08:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe he was actually head of state during the Mandate period. I remember he was appointed as the [nominal] Prime Minister of the Saudi state before becoming king, but that was only for a few years. So he wouldn’t have assumed such a position until the 1960s. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 10:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, , you are correct. I linked to the wrong Faisal. It was Faisal I of Iraq. In the Palestine Bulletin of July 1, 1926, it says "H. M. King Faisal, ruler of Mesopotamia, will be in Jerusalem on Saturday evening". Zerotalk 12:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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