Talk:Lita (wrestler)/Archive 1

message: To anyone in any doubt, Amy does not currently have a Bebo or MySpace. When she does, it will be announced via ADORE or via the Luchagors MySpace where Amy definitely posts messages. This is a band MySpace so therefore more reliable than Adam's gimmicky MySpace which is unlikely to be controlled by him.
Therefore, anything said on "Amy" bebos or MySpaces shouldn't go on her page. Unless its confirmed by her, her personal info needs to stay as it is. No exceptions.
Amy does have an official myspace now. Look on luchagors top for it!
Links to social networking sites, (i.e. MySpace) are not allowed in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia's External Link Policy for more information. Also, please remember to sign your comments. Thanks. Bmg916 Speak to Me 00:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bebo's and MySpaces

message: I've moved all the notable and/or salient points of the "Trivia" section to fit in the article.  The trivia section was becoming just a long list of random tidbits and not really an "article" like every other bio article on the Wiki.  Dismas 06:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: I have removed comments related to this. There is no evidence other than Internet heresay as to whether she is dating Adam or still friends with Matt so it is best left blank either way. It could be mentioned that Matt and Amy have had dinner but it should be said that Edge said this on Byte This and he said that the reason was for "closure". Any speculation on the status of Adam and Amy's relationship and Amy and Matt's relationship, is just that, speculation. She may well be with Edge. She may not be friends with Hardy
You don't know.
Can we NOT paste articles from wrestling "news" sites? A wrestling news site should be considered unreliable until proven right as they have been wrong many times before.
Also, nothing relating to Adam and his relationship status (again, according to news sites which are falsely reporting him as still married). This is an Amy page, not Adam's.
User:Nathanemile- Even though this is not Adam's page. I would like to put up the fact that he won the title last week. I think it's important because Lita was a factor in the match.
:Just to point out, whether it'll be used on this page or not, it doesn't matter but since it was brought up, Adam has confirmed that he is in fact single and eyewitnesses at one of Lita's concerts with her band have said that it seems Lita's dating one of her bandmates but at this point, that is neither confirmed or denied: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.95.188 (talk) 
MySpace status does not count as confirmation - by confirmation, I mean a quote in an interview seeing that MySpace automatically sets the status to single. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up the claim that Lita is dating one of her bandmates so the relationship status should stay as unknown. In fact, I've heard eye witness accounts state the opposite. In fact, if we're going by MySpaces, Lita is not dating anyone from her band. Nothing should go up unless quoted by Amy Dumas or her other half, whoever it is.
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===Pregnant?===
There's been rumours around saying that Amy is pregnant. Is there any truth to this?--sonicKAI 15:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current relationship with Hardy/Adam 

message: There's been rumours around saying that Amy is pregnant. Is there any truth to this?--sonicKAI 15:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pregnant?

message: Shouldn't the finisher be Leg Swinging DDT instead of Snap DDT? Levodevo 18:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finishing Move 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Oppose, it would be better if "Lita" had a last name too, too bad the wrestler doesn't. --Vlame 07:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment: I seriously question whether WP:NC really does prefer ring names over real names.  I've read the sections dealing with stage names (where BG James is discussed), and that section was not added by the person who created the guideline.  In fact, the guideline's creator, when editing the section, actually only added the paragraph at the end warning people not to disambiguate between the politician and the wrestler using "BG" and "B.G."  Furthermore, B.G. James isn't even indexed under his character's name, but under his real name.  That's hardly a resounding endorsement of ring names over real names. Tuckdogg 15:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Add any additional comments
:"Amy Dumas" is better for disambiguation purposes, since there are no other "Amy Dumas" entries on Wikipedia and there are other meanings for Lita. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Clear, strong oppose. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 20:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Result

message: Because I heard that they stopped going out after they were an on-screen couple. Is This True?
This remains currently unknown to the public and therefore (unless you have any hard evidence ie a statement from either Adam or Amy) should be stated as such.
I have also edited the statement that Hardy ended the relationship as it was being reported in early 2005 that Lita ended the relationship. Hardy's story changed on this so I think it should just be left blank.'''
What do you mean he changed his story? I would like to hear his new story. lol@-w/hardy. Anyways just fyi, rumors suggested they(Amy/Adam) broke up in November, citing the pressure from the fans as the reason. Just a rumor. I was just being open to the possibility.
Oh yeah, that's no problem. I'm not getting at you, just saying that there is no evidence that they aren't together so it shouldn't be put on her profile.
Well, at first Hardy said he told Amy to stop seeing Adam and she refused and walked out on him. Then he changed it to him throwing her out. Very unreliable is Matt HArdy!'''
:Adam has confirmed that he's single and looking on his myspace page so that obviously means that they're not together...if that's information that would still like to be added to the page: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.95.188 (talk) 
MySpace is not a proper source so it shouldn't go up. MySpaces are done for a variety of reasons - as gimmick pages, publicity stunts and they automatically set you to single and besides, there's nothing to say that Adam is controlling it. In fact, considering his schedule, he probably isn't.
A proper source would be a quote by either Adam or Amy which can be linked or proven. Otherwise, it shouldn't go up.
In this case Myspace would be an appropriate source considering that Edge runs the site along with a close friend of his who would know the status of his personal life as far as dating goes. No WWE star has a myspace up that is in character or following their own gimmick and if that were the case, then Edge would be cited as being in a relationship with Lita but that isn't the case so his myspace being filtered through his WWE character is false. Therefore, his myspace can be considered an actual personal page that isn't set up with the intent to follow through on his character and therefore him saying that he's single and looking for a woman on his myspace is a credible source. Also, fan sightings of reported that Amy is possibly dating the guy from her band judging by the very intimate interactions seen between the two at their local gigs.
Just to say I read this on litas bebo page
Adam Copeland! 
I Love This Guy So Much he Means The World 2 Me, Hes My Everything, Hes So Great 2 Me Hes really Sweet and He Knows Just How 2 MAke Me Happy When Im Sad and I Just Wanted 2 Say I Love You So MuCh With all My Heart Babe! 
wether this is her I am not sure but i believe it is due to the amount of profile veiws, friends, and comments-
Bebo's and MySpaces should not be used as evidence. Lita does not yet have a personal MySpace or Bebo. A MySpace entitled "The Rated R Superstar" is not a definitive source on the actual real life of Adam Copeland as the Rated R Superstar is a gimmick.
There are more fan reports stating that Amy is not dating a member of her band then there are otherwise. There is absolutely zero evidence.
[edit] Finishing and signature moves
Basically, unless she personally says it, don't put it. Simple as that. Ends all arguments pretty nicely.
Amy and Edge are not dating, in fact Adam Copeland (Edge) has reunited with his wife.
She didn't want the breakup of her and Matt to be public, huh?  Blame Vince, he wanted to make it into a storyline, and in some cases her for hurting Matt, and Edge for screwing his boy like that.  Some will say there is two sides too every story, and I'd love to know why Amy cheated on Matt, but the fact remains that amy did Matt wrong and to cheat with a married man that was his best friend, that was low.76.197.249.52 17:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Edge and Lita still go out in real life? 

message: Lita's WWE contract expires soon (in 1-2 months) and Lita has shown interest signing with TNA. This is because she wants to wrestle but the WWE writers have nothing for her besides being Edge's valet. TNA has wanted for a while to grow it's women's divison with good wrestlers and signing Lita would be something that would help make it grow. Should this be added to the article?
Yeah I remember reading something like that but I forgot the source
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She is leaving to pursue acting not wrestling Crazy4metallica
she not leaving to pursue a acting Trish is Lita is with WWE until 2007 User:Supermike
^ Not really Lita's contract ends in a few months
  
yeah i just saw that sorry
Since they are nothing but rumors right now, no it should not be added. And sign you comments people. TJ Spyke 06:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lita to TNA? 

message: This page should be reopened for editing, it has not be "vandalised", but added to. It dose not mention any thing about Lita's actions on RAW, which as of recent have been major (Edge winning his second WWE Championship, SNME). Second, the images that were posted were improvments. The image at the top of the 2005/2006 shows Lita much better (Her mouth is not open, her head is not tilted up, her eyes are fully open). Third, the championship images are important to the article, any time an image is available it should be added to illustrat the subject. Fourth, her move set. the " Spinning Out Powerbomb Into A Kneeling Pin" is not valid. She has done a spin out powerbomb once, to Jazz and even so it should be under "Litabomb" (Powerbomb or Spin Out Powerbomb). 
Pluse the Suicde Dive which she has used many times through out the 2004 period is not up there. Then the "Standing Hurricarana" directs straight to the tope of the Professional Wrestling Aerial Techniques page. It should be under Frankensteiner since a Frankensteiner is the proper name of a hurricarana ( a hurricarana ends in a rana pin). Last the Twist Of Fate is no longer her finisher it should not be in bold. It is now soley by Matt Hardy and Lita has not used it since late 2003. Information in an article should only be deleted if it is off topic, a rumor or and opinion. It should only be put in proper format not deleted. And when ever possible, a good image should be used to show the topic. Were or not it's "utterly pointless." Please reopen this page for editing. Thank You.
:While I agree with everything else you just said, there are two problems. You didn't sign your name or IP, and she did use the Twist of Fate one time during the Edge-Matt feud, although more or less as a mockery of Matt Hardy. 152.163.100.74 07:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edge winning the WWE Championship has nothing to do with Lita. Flooding the page with images contravenes the Wikipedia:Fair use policy. The images are only "available" because they have been stolen from WWE.com. Moves are bolded if they were used as a finisher at any time, not just at present. The spinning out powerbomb has been used on several occasions but was never identified as the "Litabomb". McPhail 14:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I recall, hasn't there been pure evidence posted in this very talk page that the Litasault/Litabomb names have been recognized names for the moves? Go find it and you'll find that it was deleted by the user. Which means, it was there. And you really can't say Edge winning the WWE Championship has nothing to do with Lita, when she was his valet and she helped him get the job done. That's kind of like saying that King Booker winning the World Heavyweight Championship has nothing to do with Chavo Guerrero, and last I recall, Chavo screwed Mysterio. Lita helped Edge. It's that simple. 64.12.116.74 19:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing Page

message: McPhail your constant vandalizing of Lita's page is becoming a major problem. We have discussed previously on the talk page and came to a conclusion that the moves are called The Litasault, the Litabomb, and the Lita DDT. You leave it for a while, then go back and delete it. It seems that you sre trying to be difficult and use your power as an experienced wikipedia editor to intimidate people with your clearly wrong point of view. Considering I and others have tried so hard' in trying to resolve this matter in a civil fashion, including showing you an abundance of proof--you still persist on being a nuisance. I have reverted it back to what it is supposed to be, and if I ever see it changed I promise I will do everything and anything possible to ensure that you are blocked for vandalism. But I doubt we will have to get to that point. Thanks for your cooperation. --Fr3nZi3 16:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is your proof that the moves are called the Lita DDT and Litasault? WWE.com clearly identifies her signature moves as the "DDT" and "Moonsault". McPhail 16:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Becoming a problem

message: Can we move this page to her ring name "Lita"? --Mikedk9109 22:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was proposed before and I think the consensus was to keep it where it is. For one thing, she might not own the rights to use the name outside WWE. Also, the book she authored uses his real name. Lastly, Lita is a disambiguation page. --Jtalledo (talk) 01:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Here is the link. Watch the ending of the match, and see where Jim Ross clearly calls the moves the Litasault and the Lita bomb! Do not delete it again! Thanks!! --Fr3nZi3 01:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lita's powerbomb is called a LitaBomb. But as for her moonsault, here's a list of just a few of the matches where she's performed the move and it has been called a moonsault and NOT a Litasault:
-Trish vs Lita : Unforgiven 2006 
-Lita vs Ivory : 9/11 match
-Lita vs Ivory : Survivor Series 2000
-Team Extreme vs TnA : SD (Trish's first match in the WWE)
-Team Extreme vs Tna : Heat (don't know the exact date)
-Lita vs Stephanie McMahon : (Lita's first title win)
-Lita vs Trish (Lita's second title win)
Yes, JR has called the moonsault a Litasault before, he did so when she use to mimmick Essa Rios, but most of the time, he calls it a moonsault. The last time JR called the moonsault a Litasault is at Unforgiven 2003 when Lita made her in ring return from her neck injury. The fact that moonsault is used more than Litasault should be enough indication that the moonsault s her finisher is the most applicable term for her move: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.95.188 (talk) 
Now to that fat idiot Fr3nZi3 I WILL TYPE IN CAPS SO YOU UNDERSTAND  A FINISHER IS A MOVE THAT ISN'T USED ONCE OR TWICE HENCE WHY THE LITA BOMB IS NOT WORTH NOTING OK DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ANYONE IN THE WWWE CAN DO A POWER BOMB AND THEY WOULD CALL IT A EDGE BOMB OR A ORTON BOMB OR A KING BOMB DEPENDING ON THE WRESTLER THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A MOVE WORTH LISTING SHE HASNT USED THE MOVE VERY MUCH SO SORRY AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG SAME GOES FOR THE ENZUGIRI  A MOVE USED A FEW TIMES IS NOT WORTH BEING NOTED sorry MARK and as for why I am insulting you well you did it to me many times first so how does it feel to know other say you are wrong because guess what YOU ARE WRONG as for Torrie Wilson she does not wrestle enough to have a known finisher  and as for Carlito's Back Cracker ..well that move is known as a Lung Blower and Matt Striker used it on Heat before him. So feel free to edit as you want and I will do the same but do not insult me because you dont even know what a mark is if you do insult me I will insult you back.
Probably they weren't watching WWE at all... All they do here is ban. Those who have power abuse that power, but like I said, they can't stop them all... The truth shall set you free. Lita DDT, Lita Bomb, and Litasault are correct terms for her moves.
The truth sorry but last night on RAW Lita said MOONSAULT AND LITACANRANA.
Yep. Lita said Moonsault and Litacanrana which should prove the fact that her moonsault is called just that while her hurricanrana is called a Litacanrana. 83.233.58.44 22:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Ladies, Gents, why don't we just make a note that the name of the moves are disputed. Often annoucers will give a move a name to add an impact for the move as a finisher or signature move.Sephiroth storm 05:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UNDENIABLE PROOF!!!

message: Someone screwed up Lita's Finishing moves and added in a bunch of useless taunts, so I took the liberty of restoring her finishers and removing the taunts as they didn't belong in that section. JamX3K
Restore what you want, it'll just revert back... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mines45 (talk • contribs).
:If you revert an edit in an article more than 3 times, you'll be in violation of WP:3RR. --I c e d K o l a (Contributions) 03:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lita's Finishers 

message: I have a website where people can watch Amy's band perform. It's
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/l/lita/gallery/screencaps/7/
--Fluffy Kitten 22:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punk Band 

message: I deleted the bit about Lita being the first woman to attempt a top rope moonsault. That is FACTUALLY incorrect. I know for a fact that Bull Nakano has used the top rope moonsault in the WWE and I don't need to convince people of who came first. I believe there are other women who have done the move before Lita but all you need is one name to disprove that trivia post and therefore it should not be there.
Also, what's the point of saying that Lita along with Ivory, Moolah and Trish have had the title more than any other WWE diva? That's irrelevant and it seems like you're trying to magnify the amount of title wins by saying that she's among the divas who've held the title many times but the fact remains that she hasn't held it the most and unless that's the case, it's not relevant and is ridiculous to add on the page.
Also, Lita and Victoria's cage match wasn't the first diva cage match in history of wrestling. It was the first divas cage match in RAW history...at least, that is how the WWE cites it and therefore, the article should do the same to avoid it possibly being incorrect. Here's the wwe.com exert:
RAW - Lita vs. Victoria, Steel Cage MatchNovember 24, 2003   |   Approx. run time: 6 mins.It was the second edition of RAW Roulette live from Salt Lake City, UT. The matches throughout the night were determined by a spin of the wheel and it was determined that Lita would face Victoria in the not-so-friendly confines of a steel cage. It was the first women's Steel Cage Match in RAW history and it looked like Lita had things well in hand. Matt Hardy made a surprise appearance, but how would he factor into the outcome? Subscribers$1.49 
And here's the link (it's the tenth video on the page).
http://www.wwe.com/subscriptions/247online/divas/
She also isnt the first woman to doo a moonsault
She's not the first to do a moonsault, but she is the first to do a tope rope moonsault.Angli Cado Primoris 20:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lita Trivia 

message: Someone typed in this article that Amy Dumas and Adam Copeland never slept with each other. That goes against every wrestling website that I've read, as well as what Matt Hardy and Edge's (ex??) wife have said. In fact, Hardy was fired for mentioning the affair on his website. If it were just a work, why was he fired? Is there a source for this just being a work?Politician818 01:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lita didn't sleep with Edge?

message: She retires at survivor series which is this sunday, I added that and somebody or something removed it. The date was indeed correct so why was it removed?
:Your edit was reverted (by me) because in an attempt to clean up Wikipedia, we try to keep rumors, speculation, and play-by-play/future events out of the WWE articles. The reason the retirement text is in the article because it's just merely stating what WWE said, but lets not change the retirement date until it happens. ;). Have a nice day. // I c e d K o l a (Contribs) 02:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement date 

message: This article may confuse some people who don't watch wrestling, as it blurs Amy Dumas' real life with her Lita character. For instance, it says that Lita revealed that she was pregnant. However, Amy Dumas wasn't really pregnant. People who don't watch wrestling may think that Amy Dumas was pregnant. This article should make a clear distinction between what is real and what is kayfabe.Politician818 01:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Real life vs. storylines

message: I removed this.
--74.114.105.193 02:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "She will not be joining TNA, contrary to some illiterate people who use the website." 

message: I found this on gerweck.net
Hey wrestling promoters, wanna book Amy "Lita" Dumas for an appearance at your next wrestling show? She is seeking $3,000 for the date plus transportation. 
Since she is taking bookings, I think it's safe to say she's not retired, so should we take off her retirement date on her profile box? Gamehead 02:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is this listed on the site..I cannot find it?  Also in terms of an "appearance" - is this in a wrestling capacity or as a guest star? --Mikecraig 02:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lita's not retired 

message: Should this section (fan moves) be put back into the page? LitaDDT is from the game, thats widespread acknowledged by fans, and Litasault is used very often. JR isn't the only one hyper over the word, most fan posters in the stadiums and commentators sitting there use 'litasault' whenever shes does the moonsault.
As for litabomb, well thats a JR creation, any opinions on whether it should be there?
xCentaur |  talk   21:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you want, a medal? SteveLamacq43 15:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That made no sense. He mentioned people keep taking it out, and I was saying I was one of them, and I gave my reasons why. Jeesh, calm down. Anakinjmt 15:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Lol, "pointless edit wars"? Theres a page like that, Anakin? Send me a link when you're free, this I gotta see. Happy editing! xCentaur | ☎  06:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:LAME. Interesting reads, there. xC | ☎  18:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Moves 

message: Iv been watching WWE for a very very long time and today was the 1st day iv ever been on Lita's wikipedia page and when i did i got 1 hell of a shock! Can I ask why there isnt a hot pic of her as her main pic? I mean she looks good and all but she only looks really good when shes ready to wrestle (or im sure when shes out off screen) but you get what i mean, i mean did some fiminist complain about how people exploit women (aka:look better then them lol) because i wouldnt mind seeing a hot pic of Lita on wikipedia, and i mean, im sure Lita would perfer a pic of herself on wikipedia that looks hot instead of that whole suprise photo look. --Deathtopplintheir40s 12:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo being used is free. -  Deep   Shadow  12:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you could find a free picture in which she looks hot? (Ref link above) Makes both parties happy, as well as all the fans... :P xC | ☎  22:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Pic?