Talk:Ingjald

message: The article currently has a sentence which says: "Ingjald has often been seen as the one who unified Sweden." This seems rather strange unless Sweden has a non-standard meaning here. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 19:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is dependent on a book by Birger Nerman from 1925. Chapter IX, 7th and 8th century, 50 pages with illusions of historical grandeur. I cannot bear to read the elaborate constructions. Also a century ago this went against historical scholarship. However, there still are some people who propagate this stuff via wikipedia. And as it is much harder here to delete nonsense than to write, there is a continuous accretion of imaginary history here. Nationalencyklopedin says that his historical existence is very doubtfull. Snorri tells us that he burnt the other petty kings to death at the funeral of his father, and that he became the ruler over Mälardalen. /Pieter Kuiper 20:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that was what Angus asked about. The reason Ingjald is seen to have unified Sweden through his murderous acts is probably that he brought the small kingdoms together in their loss of their leaders. After that they all thought it was a good idea to cooperate under one king, but obviousley not that one. So they accepted Ivar Vidfamne from Skane instead, as he too was an heir of the old royal dynasty. /Leos Friend 22:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is a funny image, from a monument at Vendel erected in 1937: Vendeltid - Statsbyggartid - Mannatid - "Vendel Age - Age of Nation Builders - Age of Men". /Pieter Kuiper 18:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unified Sweden? 

message: I think the son of Ingjald, Olof Trätälja, could serve as a date-setter for Ingjald and the nearest kings in the Ynglinga-line, and also for Ivar Vidfamne. Snorre places Olof in Värmland at the time when the landscape around the Klarälv river was first cleared. It is possible to date such events quite precise with carbon-dating, as the settlers used to burn the woods first, and then start to grow crops. There would be coal in the ground, showing when the clearings were made.
They have done this with a burnt hill-fort, and reached the period around 500-600. I can't see why they don't do it with the surrounding farming-fields too, when that would give a direct connection to the Ynglinga-saga. If the dates correspond to the approximate generation of Olof Trätälja in Ynglingasagan, Snorre would be vindicated. He couldn't have guessed that, or made it up. It would have to be based on facts. And, as I see it, provide a time-frame in which Snorre places the saga. /Leos Friend (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A possible date-setter 

message: :Ingjald centralizing Sweden
Hillarious!! Said: Rursus ☻ 12:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny image text! 

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