Talk:Sakhalin-II

message: I was there, in russia, five times, 90 days each shift, in the year 2004-2005, working on Sakhalin 2 project for one of the consortium partners, a huge Japanese outfit, on the 48 inch pipeline project. I have seen many pipeline projects in my life, since my job is international pipeline project management, but i HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A WASTE, infighting, intrigues, politics, back stabbing, as on the Sakhalin 2 project. I had a total impression that the Shell guys were on a mission to sabotage every constructive effort. To make matters worse, the Shell overseers were located in The Netherlands, they were making operational decision affecting everyday operations without coming even once to the site. As a result, we suffered days and weeks of enormously expensive delays over the most trivial issues, just waiting for someone to make up his mind.
Mind you, coming to the site was an enormous task. You needed a visa, flight ticket, reservations, logistics, internal russian permnits (KGB was good at denying them forever), permits from the military (Sakhalin is one huge military base and nobody is allowed to fly to the island). The local Shell guys were just a bunch of drunkards, more interested in drinking all night with their numerous russian girlfriends, usually half of their age.
In other words, Shell did not spend 20 Bilion dollars. They spent likely much less than half. The other half they just wasted.
Who can be blamed for this stupidity? Go, figure.
Mike - Mike3ski 01:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That made me lol -Towel401 17:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Waste report (POV)

message: User:SEIC currently replaced this article with a copytext from the project company website. As result of this, lot of verified information was removed. This is also violates policies like WP:COPYVIO and WP:NOT. Reverting edits by User:SEIC doesn't avoid, of course, any improvement by adding valid information, removing non-reletated information, copyediting etc.Beagel (talk) 08:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did that user actually add any useful information? Looks like an ordinary vandal to me Towel401 (talk) 11:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[user:SEIC]] 

message: The LNG plant is now operational i cant be bothered changing the article but if someone wants to...78.105.184.134 (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Be brave and go forward! Beagel (talk) 05:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Tense 

message: This article desperately needs more refs from reliable third-party sources. I will soon start removing material if such refs are not provided. Offliner (talk) 09:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now removed some of the unsourced material. Offliner (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Major cleanup and formatting s completed now. However, the article still needs additional references and copyediting. Beagel (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please provide more refs 

message: On 22 October 2006, an article in The Observer reported that a leaked internal report by the Russian government estimated that the final cost would now reach US$28 billion.
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I'm not sure of the significance of this reference - perhaps it should be re-inserted into the history section.Sf5xeplus (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: removal

message: I was there for a year on rotation in 2007/8 working for a service co. F! me what an eye opener!!! I particularly liked the part in the main article history section:
"On 21 December 2006, Gazprom took control over a 50%-plus-one-share stake in the project by signing an agreement with Royal Dutch Shell. Russian President Vladimir Putin attended the signing ceremony in Moscow and indicated that environmental issues had been resolved."
Ah, the power of RTN Regulations, GOST Standards & related documents! Amazing, how we all thought they were a pile of poodle poo, whereas in reality, they are all very powerful tools for the enlightened. It doesnt matter that they contradict eachother sometimes, that can be used to your advantage if you are in a suitable position. When I arrived, I had been informed that the project had been stopped earlier because of the environmental issue. However, the powers that be dont give a fiddlers about that really...it's all about power & control & Im sure they had the support of the National standards & legislation to aid & abet them. I saw a few examples of this, albeit on a smaller scale, during my time there. Not that I angrily condemn what they did...they did it to protect the national interests, and/or to line their own pockets (& not always in that order, unfortunately).
Sakhalin itself, beautiful countryside, especially in Autumn just before the snow hits & then the temp. plummets and keeps plummetting....it hit -43 or -45C in Nogliki or Molodezhnoye in the winter of 2007. Worst I had was -30C in Onor.
Saw a mama bear & 2 cubs, hundreds of salmon during the spawning season, got my jaw bust in Yuzhno, saw the sea frozen as far as the horizon during winter, sampled the russian vodka (smirnoff needs to learn how to brew it properly!), saw fantastic looking women of japanese/chinese/sakhalin heritage (wow!), ice sculptures, did the overnight train journey up the island a few times, saw how tough life is for the non-oil'n'gas average resident and how tough they have to be to survive in an unforgiving part of the world. Would I live there? No. Do I miss it? No. Would I go back? Yes.
I read Mike3ski's comment above & it brought these memories flooding back. The internal border control was gone by 2007. I heard in previous years it was a real pain in the rear cheeks. Some guys working with us were ex-KGB, interesting stories, but the unsaid bits were chilling at times.
As for the internal politics & stuff - didnt see too much of that being out in the field half the time, just idiotic rules which could easily be circumvented, as long as you looked out for your workmates and made an attempt to speak Russian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surfing bumpkin (talk • contribs) 01:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life on the Sakhalin II Project 

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