Talk:Wolgast

message: I deleted the Polonized form of Wolgast ("Wologoszcz"). Wolgast neither had belonged to Poland nor ever had Polish population. The only connection to Poland is, that Wartislaw I of Pomerania had been defeated by the Piasts in 1121, before conquering the Wolgast area in 1123. At that time, the wendish burgh at the site of future Wolgast was named Hologast, not Wologoszcz. Wartislaws duchy regained complete independence from the Piasts in 1135, the city of Wolgast was founded a century later. So only a decade of Hologast can be related to Poland, but even that seems to be kind of artificial for at that time there was no "Poland" in terms of a national state. Therefore, the Polonized form of Wolgast only serves one purpose, to make the latter Duchy of Pommern-Wolgast look somewhat Polish, although it never was, in the course of Polish propaganda Polonizing the history of Pomerania and justify Polish post-WWII territorial gains in Pomerania as it was part of a so-called recovered territory with a Polish history.141.53.36.64 08:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wołogoszcz was important center of Slavic culture. Polish name is revelant as a part of towns heritage (it is closest to slavic name used by Pommeranians - in Pomeranian language Wòłogòszcz, not "Hologast") According to presented above way of thinking we should remove German names from Gdynia and few other places. P.S. Please, do not mix propaganda with history, not all people do that... Radomil talk 07:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polonized name 

message: I will revert this edit because, as is obvious also from the edit summary, the edit is based on a wrong translation: Stadt is "town"/"city," Burg is "castle." Skäpperöd (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "burg" can mean a town or a castle, though I really doubt that a chronicler would describe a castle as "opulent". Especially a medieval one.  The part of the article text you're adding "it is however unclear whether this should be read" is not in the source, which doesn't say anything about "unclear", just says "burg or stadt". Reasonable translation is simply "city or town".Volunteer Marek 07:08, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Burg means "castle," not town. The source does say "unclear" ("nicht eindeutig"), and also explains why (civitas was then used either in the sense of castrum=Burg=castle or urbs=Stadt=town/city). Where did you get the idea that Burg means town? Skäpperöd (talk) 07:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation mistake

message: Regarding this edit: The source (Ruchhöft) makes it clear that no tribes were documented in Wolgast and its surroundings. So it is wrong to speak of "local" tribes documented. There were tribes documented in the wider area, however, so I will revert that edit back to "in the area." If that could be phrased better, I have no objections, but "local" is straight against the point of the source. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to remove the word "local" then go ahead and do that. Also, does the source really says "it is unclear...". I'm asking because of the section right above this one.Volunteer Marek 07:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Local tribes