Talk:Naruto/Archive 8

message: A majority of the character articles are loaded with plot summary. Simply put, after a brief explanation of their background and abilities, the article goes into detail about every time they twitch on-screen. I did a bit of experimenting on Naruto Related Drafts, and here's what I came up with...
Current article size...
*Naruto Uzumaki - 46,814 bytes
*Sakura Haruno - 20,904 bytes
*Sasuke Uchiha - 23,129 bytes
*Kakashi Hatake - 25,737 bytes
*Shikamaru Nara - 18,528 bytes
*Ino Yamanaka - 10,498 bytes
*Choji Akimichi - 13,598 bytes
*Asuma Sarutobi - 9,827 bytes
*Kiba Inuzuka - 10,479 bytes
*Shino Aburame - 8,089 bytes
*Hinata Hyuga - 10,527 bytes
*Kurenai Yuhi - 7,880 bytes
*Rock Lee - 14,871 bytes
*Neji Hyuga - 13,039 bytes
*Tenten - 6,025 bytes
*Might Guy - 13,132 bytes
*Gaara - 21,907 bytes
*Kankuro - 11,580 bytes
*Temari - 8,475 bytes
*Jiraiya - 11,802 bytes
*Orochimaru - 20,125 bytes
*Tsunade - 13,313 bytes
*Third Hokage - 10,186 bytes
*Sai (Naruto) - 9,472 bytes
*Yamato (Naruto) - 9,256 bytes
*Kabuto Yakushi - 13,141 bytes
Now, on my subpage, I went and deleted every instance of plot on that page. By my definition plot is any event that happens in the timeline of the series between the start of the series and the gap and from the end of the gap to the most current event. Events that happen only in flashbacks are still left on. Here's the thing - articles that lost 25%-49% of their size are italicized. Articles that lost 50% or more are bolded:
*Naruto - 25,275 bytes
*Sakura - 8,965 bytes
*Sasuke - 9,845 bytes
*Kakashi - 14,141 bytes
*Shikamaru - 8,761 bytes
*Ino - 5,663 bytes
*Choji - 7,995 bytes
*Asuma - 6,489 bytes
*Kiba - 5,285 bytes
*Shino - 4,805 bytes
*Hinata - 5,935 bytes
*Kurenai - 4,889 bytes
*Lee - 7,322 bytes
*Neji - 6,779 bytes
*Tenten - 4,213 bytes
*Guy - 8,118 bytes
*Gaara - 11,744 bytes
*Kankuro - 6,336 bytes
*Temari - 4,762 bytes
*Jiraiya - 7,926 bytes
*Orochimaru - 11,584 bytes
*Tsunade - 7,409 bytes
*Third - 7,764 bytes
*Sai - 4,035 bytes
*Yamato - 4,330 bytes
*Kabuto - 6,438 bytes
As you can see here, the Third is the only among the group checked to escape with more than 75% of its content, and that's only because he died before much more could be added to his profile. All the rest lost at minimum 25% of what they had once all of the plot stuff was cut out; most of them lost at least 30%, and nearly a fourth of them lost 50% of their mass. The fact that we have a 126 kb-total plot summary (not even counting the episode list) does not aid this little tidbit. Point being, there is too much emphasis being placed on the plot.
Look over the data for a while. I'll have a proposition ready for tomorrow. You Can't See Me! 07:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a roundabout way, this is the major issue that would be tackled after the current one (reducing the jutsu articles into one, as I'm doing here) is solved. Personally, I would massively compress the plot summary to a bare minimum and link to the relevant season in List of Naruto episodes, or to the appropiate plot section, whether it be Plot of Naruto or Plot of Naruto: Shippuden. However, still bring forth your proposition. I'm interested =] Sephiroth BCR 07:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A general guideline for what kind of plot development is detailed in each character entry would be nice. As it is now, anything somewhat interesting is included in character articles. If the scope were to be narrowed to a character's development, that would drastically limit the length of articles as well as the number of articles that exist. Incidentally, the episode articles are still a work in progress, as there has been little effort made into summarizing the fillers. ~SnapperTo 23:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I really should pay more attention. I personally like how the Bleach articles are setup. We should have sections akin to that. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a nice setup. A little clarification might be needed at some points, and characters with more plot relevance might be slightly more difficult to adapt, but  it works. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. It's a much cleaner presentation. Sephiroth BCR 07:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sections for this build that I'm thinking of adding where needed (though out of place and/or unneeded in Hinata's article) would be Plot, a summary of the essential, bigger plot points for the character, and Recent chapters, an overly long summary of recent events that (ideally) are worked into the rest of the article once they stop being recent. Divisions of some sections into a Part I and Part II heading might be needed, though avoiding that would be nice.  In addition, a Death (or for Hidan Defeat [and De____ for Orochimaru]) section could be used when appropriate, as a character's defeat is at times their only contribution. ~SnapperTo 04:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: A more elegant solution: merge by teams, save the main characters. That's fine. Sephiroth BCR 05:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That really seems like a more dramatic step than necessary. Putting Tenten on a list of sorts I could support, but putting almost every character on a similar list is overstepping the need to lessen the amount of articles. ~SnapperTo 05:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Too late. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 18:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much emphasis on plot. 

message: Umm i noticed that there has been no update on the previous shipudden chapters released on may 4, so whats the deal? Were chapters even released this day, cause thay usually are on fridays.24.185.163.37 22:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No RAW = No WP:V. –Gunslinger47 22:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: Does anyone know how long Kishimoto plans to keep Naruto Going? Has he done any statements or predictions? Maybe it should be added to the article if he has said something (ex. The author of one piece planned it would last five years as stated in the one piece article.) Please, does anyone know?! 70.124.9.195 23:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. If I remember correctly, he says that he has a particular conclusion in mind, but he never stated how much longer it would take to reach that. You Can't See Me! 07:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Long? 

message: I was wondering why only some articles have been affected by the mass removal of backgrounds/plot summaries (Tenten, Kurenai) and the others have remained untouched (Choji, Guy, Orochimaru). I can understand if you guys just haven't gotten to them yet, and I'm not complaining about this or anything so please don't get me wrong, but something should be done about this. // DecaimientoPoético 21:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not doing any of the editing myself, but I guess they haven't gotten to them. It probably takes a while to completely remove any traces of plot summary from an article. Raven23 21:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You guessed correctly. I'm focusing my efforts at the moment on characters who haven't done much, hence the reason why the larger character articles are still the in their lengthy forms. ~SnapperTo 03:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, we've done: Naruto Uzumaki, Shikamaru Nara, Ino Yamanaka, Shino Aburame, Hinata Hyuga, Tenten (Naruto), Asuma Sarutobi, Kurenai Yuhi, Jiraiya (Naruto), Third Hokage, and Zabuza Momochi (to the best of my knowledge). We will eventually get to the rest of them. You Can't See Me! 06:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: well im curious to why you are doing this.24.185.163.37 21:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. You Can't See Me! 22:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why only some articles? 

message: ive noticed lately that many of the pictures from the articles have been taken out. i have also noticed that many of the characters techniques have been taken out of there articles(i know its only signature jutsu/kekkai genkai, but some were neccisary to keep in the articles).can i please have an explanation for this?24.185.163.37 21:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  changes 

message: cartoonnetwork is saying that there will be an 1 hour special called Naruto: save The Waterfall Village. I didnt see any info on this in any articles. 67.189.192.245 20:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like they're referring to the 2004 Jump Festa OVA, Battle at Hidden Falls, I am the Hero!. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 21:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  waterfall village 

message: Has naruto already used the powerful justu that Jiriya told him not to use at the beginig of part 2?
:Inane might have mistranslated that.  Jiraiya doesn't use the word "jutsu" in episode 8/9.  He appears to be talking about Naruto's four-tailed demon form…  Which Naruto later uses against Orochimaru. –Gunslinger47 21:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Jutsu" in its strictest, most literal definition (that I am aware of...) means "technique." Jiraiya might have simply said, "Don't use that technique." It didn't necessarily have to be a ninjutsu. It was likely the 4-tailed shell. You Can't See Me! 23:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Powerful Justsu

message: As we move jutsu into an "Abilities" section for various characters, the "Signature jutsu/Kekkei genkai" section is frequently turned into a section for jutsu that do not fit into the abilities section. Should a full listing be used (even providing unlinked examples) or should it simply be done away with entirely? It's rather arbitrary in terms of what goes in there, and we don't really have a concrete policy on what does go in there. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 23:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So long as all of the relevant jutsu are included/mentioned in the article in some fashion, the section can probably be removed from the template whenever the integration is completed. If people complain, then heaven forbid they should read the article. ~SnapperTo 00:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. If the jutsu are included in the abilities section, that part of the template should be removed. We probably won't get as many people complaining that way. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 23:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature jutsu 

message: In the Info box where it says that there are 38 volumes and 355 chapter, there should be a link to list of naruto chapters so that you don't have to scroll all the way down and click on it.70.124.13.23 19:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box 

message: Should we include, on this page, that Naruto is the most popular anime on Cartoon Network?
Is that original research or can it be referenced? --Putmalk 01:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular 

message: since naruto's publication in the U.S. will be speeding up, will we cange the picture on the info box to a shippuuden one? Or do we have to wait for the anime to catch up?
:If I recall correctly, the reason for using pictures from the first part for this article's infobox as well as all other Naruto-related articles is because it's believed that their younger selves are the more recognizable forms.  Ideally, Wikipedia articles should be written from an out-of-universe (real life) perspective whenever possible. –Gunslinger47 00:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Question 

message: I was wondering, why are Chidori and Rasengan translated to their literal meanings in all of the related articles when Sharingan, Byakugan, etc aren't? Chidori and Rasengan are the names of the jutsu like Sharingan is the name of the Kekkei Genkai, if they're going to be called "Spiraling Sphere" and "One Thousand Birds" in every article, shouldn't Sharingan be called "Copy Wheel Eye"? - The Norse 22:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Chidori and Rasengan have been changed back to their original names now. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 00:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No, the name of the Uchiha Clan's kekkei genkai is simply Sharingan. The "copy wheel" or "mirror wheel" are just terms that Viz added onto their earlier translations of the Naruto manga to help people understand the concept behind the Sharingan. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 18:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translated Jutsu names in related articles. 

message: Just letting you guys know, in case you havent noticed, there's currently an AFD going on regarding the aforementioned "Plot of Naruto" article. Judging by the responses there, I dont believe you have. Anyway, be sure to make your opinions known about this at the AFD. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 00:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another AFD on [[Plot of Naruto]] 

message: A Naruto task force has been proposed here. Feel free to add your name to the list of prospective participants. Sephiroth BCR Converse 06:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It means that there is now a proposed subproject of the Anime and Manga WikiProject to deal specifically with articles related to Naruto. John Carter 17:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto task force 

message: we should tell more about the characters, some of the stuff I'm about to tell you you already have about them, ninja registration number, birthdate, height/weight, blood type, personality, favorite food, least favorite food, would like to fight, favorite line, hobbie, and specialty. i already have all this information for Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, and Garaa, I found this information on Naruto: Clash Of Ninja 2. leave another comment if you have any questions.
:We have half that information, and things like the 'would like to fight' info are very trivial. We have no need for such things. // DecaimientoPoético 03:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  characters  

message: if you go on the Media option in the menu, it tells you all the sound stuff, if you go to sound tracks, and click on the first one, and look at the list, its messed up, someone should fix it, i don't know how though.
:Go to the forums for Naruto-kun and ask them there. This page is for discussing the Naruto article, not your technical problems on a different website. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 20:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are referring to this, I see no problem. ~SnapperTo 00:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That's because we either don't have the kanji (which I doubt is the case) or it's just called R★O★C★K★S in Japan. // DecaimientoPoético 15:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  music 

message: Hi I have my own naruto RP site and was wonder if it would be possible to put the button to the site on the main naruto site. Heres the site if you wanna take a look at it to see if it would work out http://www.freewebs.com/ninsaga/ I didnt just want to put it up myself so i thought i would ask if this would be a possibility like it could be the official naruto Role Playing site for wikipedia So could someone get back to me if this would be a possibility thank you for your time. My email is Rapid_Fire222@hotmail so you can get ahold of me thanks again for your time. July 22
:It seems everyone's site is an official one nowadays. =/ But really, this isn't the place to be posting role playing sites, just like forums aren't usually accepted either. I'm sorry. // DecaimientoPoético 21:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:SOAP. Wikipedia is not for advertising purposes. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 22:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UMM got a question  

message: "Many of the greater lingering mysteries of the series are questions of character motives and identity. The legacy of Naruto's parents, the goals that guide Kabuto Yakushi, the identity of the mysterious person who orders the Akatsuki leader – these are only a few of the fundamental unanswered questions of "who" and, by proxy, "why" currently at the core of the series. The story is remarkably character-driven; the theme of causality runs inherently throughout the series as characters reciprocate for their past actions and relationships. In this respect, characters' respective destinies are very much intertwined, and large emphasis is placed on comradeship and 'bonds' between the community or individual."
first its poorly written, and doesnt make much sense, second its kinda out dated (the examples), and really doesnt add much to the article. a case could be made for the last sentence but thats really true of any good narative with an ensemble cast. but given the attention paid to this article i dont want to just go and delete a whole paragraph without discussion first. Gailim 00:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The legacy of Naruto's parents has nothing to do with the plot, unless it refers to Naruto himself. (Please don't flame me for this.) Kabuto's goal is take revenge on Sasuke and beat Naruto later while absorbing Orochimaru powers and the identity of the mysterious Akatsuki leader isn't so mysterious anymore. I would delete it but I'll wait it out just like Gailim. -ScotchMB 23:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This paragraph, much like a majority of the body text in most of category:Naruto, was originally mine. I am thrilled to hear that "its poorly written and doesnt make much sense" [sic]; I've always striven to go about my writing such that the most potent criticism of it would amount to "the complex syntax and polysyllabic words here elude my puny reading comprehension skills, and therefore suck", as seems to be the case here. At any rate, this observation was made over three years ago and is now hideously outdated; Naruto is about as character-driven now as a rusting, forlorn Subaru Station model 1992 with a vacant driver's seat. Concurring with this sudden inexplicable sentiment of doing away with this paragraph I have gone ahead and deleted it, in what could probably be considered as bringing that article up to date more than anything else. Call me again when you need the other outdated parts edited out (e.g. there being some sort of balance between drama and comedy; there being some sort of coherent overarching plot at all; Naruto being the main character). --AceMyth 02:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I think it was well written. Just outdated. Maybe for Part 1 this would have been a good paragraph. -ScotchMB 13:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I want to apologize to AceMyth for not laying out exactly what my problem with the paragraph was. the paragraph did convey the point he was trying to make, when i said it was "poorly written" it was not because it was factually or grammatically incorrect. rather it could have been worded better. his "complex syntax and polysyllabic words" certainly show off his prodigious skill with the English language but considering Naruto is a cartoon aimed at young boys, (try to imagine the average 10 year old reading this and you might see the problem) you don't really need that much complexity. For instance "these are only a few of the fundamental unanswered questions of "who" and, by proxy, "why" currently at the core of the series." could have just as easily been written as "these are only a few of the questions at the core of the series."; the revision says everything the original did and its much clearer and more concise. along the lines of the KISS_principle. But aside from that, paragraph was your opinion of Naruto, and while your opinion is certainly valid, its not fact and thus doesn't add anything to the article. Now i sincerely regret not saying this from the start and I can certainly see why you would get angry about my comments earlier, as they lacked a justification. But please its not helpful to assume everyone who has a problem with your writing is somehow lacking in intelligence. It isn't very helpful and qualifies as a personal attack; I called your paragraph into question, not you. In short, I am very sorry for offending you as it was not my intention. I just had a problem with that paragraph, not you as a person. Gailim 20:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we delete this paragraph? 

message: I've been wondering: just what qualities do the members and readers consider out of universe appropriate for a manga article, inculding characters, media, etc.? How the character came to be is definetly on the list, but Kishimoto-sensei hasn't revealed anything on most of the characters, especially the ones revealed after the Introduction arc. Popularity, databook, changes in design, the list goes on. It would be helpful for the Naruto articles if we make a list of what our expectations for it to be out-of-universe are, particularily for the charatcers. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 22:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just what should be considered "out-of-universe" for Naruto? 

message: I've found the leafninja.com is incredible when it comes to documenting the Naruto universe. It's much more complete and indepth then the Wikipedia article. Can it be added to the page?
:The problem with adding fan sites is if you allow one, it is hard to justify excluding any others that editors might want to add.  There are basically only two cases where I'd recommend adding a link to a fan site:
:#If one fan site stands inarguably above the rest.
:#If it's a wiki.
:Personally, I think we should endorse http://naruto.wikia.com.  It's in need of editors. –Gunslinger47 23:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:EL discourages linking for such reasons. In fact, the opposite would have to be true. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a Catch-22 to me. We don't want Wikipedia to be a repository of fan-related stuff, like detailed plot reports, but we can't refer anyone to the appropriate source if fans come here looking for it. Remember the policies are not rules, but guidelines. The policy against linking to wikis which are unstable with few editors is probably more intended to guard against relying on such sources for historical and factual accuracy. I think wikia is an appropriate site, and as I believe it's run by the wikipedia foundation anyway it should be considered as stable. --DrHacky 14:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informative Link 

message: when is chapter 366 coming out... shouldn't it have come out last week?
:Last week didn't have a published issue of Shonen Jump, therefore no Naruto. This week is 366. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  366 

message: "Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities, and allowing many of them their fair share in the spotlight; they are also seen to grow and mature with the series, as it spans several years."
It seems to me that this little bit PRAISES Naruto's "detailed" and "complex" characters. There are also other sections that seem to praise the series.
Usarnaime 18:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View? 

message: I noticed that recently that a table have been added that demostrate the timeslots that Naruto had and the show that came before and after it in those slots. The thing is I am not aware of any other television program having this type of table for timeslots and I personally don't think the article needs it. Since there was no discussion I think their should be one to determine is there is consensus to have this. --67.71.76.240 05:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind its gone now. --67.71.76.240 05:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About timeslot table

message: Dose this cartoon have it's own wikia page? or Wikia SIte? --Jareth shadow 15:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://naruto.wikia.com --DrHacky 16:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It;s own wikia 

message: Where can I go to nominate this article as a good article? I think that after much work, it has finally earned it.Busboy 02:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not close to GA status, and very likely would not pass a review. WP:GAC to answer your question though. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 23:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's about the same as it was last time it was reviewed. The Growth and popularity section was renamed and slightly redone, but other than that there's very little difference. Model this article after Bleach (manga) and it might have a chance of reaching GA. ~SnapperTo 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominate...again 

message: Just to inform you that Template:Infobox Naruto character has been replaced with Template:Infobox animanga character after a review period at WT:ANIME, where the template received positively and at Naruto Uzumaki, which was used as a live example. The old template was replace by using it as a transition template to the new template and substing all instances of the old template in article space. --Farix (Talk) 03:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox Naruto character]] 

message: Someone should add a page about weapons in Naruto, I'm not a good speller, so sorry, Shuriken, Kunai, Paper Bombs, Smoke Bombs, Bombs, Scythes, Scythes attached to chains, crossbows, numb chucks, Senbown needles, neck cutter, giant shuriken, fuma shuriken, knuckle busters with blades (Sarutobi), samehade (Kisame) just go to http://www.naruto-kun.com/naruto+fighting/weapons.html and it'll tell you some of these weapons and more. Beware of the annoying pop ups there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzumaki Dude (talk • contribs) 12:49, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:Such a page would not pass Wikipedia's notability threshold due to its inability to have its verifiability confirmed by reliable, third party sources. That fansite you mentioned is not a reliable source. And please sign your posts by adding four tildes (~~~~). Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually... You Can't See Me! 08:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So? My statement is right due to the fact that the Afd was resolved with the deletion of the article. As to User:Uzumaki Dude, note that this will happen to pages with similar content - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 08:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, I meant to indent that one less. Sorry for the confusion. You Can't See Me! 18:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: For an article to be worthy of inclusion into Wikipedia, it must pass Wikipedia's notability guideline. This means that it must receive real-world coverage from reliable, verifiable sources independent of the source material. Your article would not and merely would be a collection of indiscriminate information. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If the subject of the article has been reviewed or covered in a source (website, magazine, journal, newspaper, etc.) that is reliable, verifiable, and independent of the source material that the subject of the article is derived from, then it passes the notability guideline. I can't make it simpler than that. If you can't garner what I mean from clicking on the linked pages, then I can't help you. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 20:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: someone should add the list of hand seals to all the techniques/jutsu. go to this web site, http://www.narutocentral.com/information/seals/ oww and just in case, when it says serpent for a hand sign, it means snake. there is also a holl lot of other things too at that site, trust me, u cant imagine. and another cool site to is http://articles.theotaku.com/view.php?action=retrieve&id=1663 im not going to even tell u what its about but it is important and it is almost 100% true except for it actually saying it in the series, but im sure it will say it eventually. Uzumaki Dude 20:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're fansites, thus making them unreliable sources. In any case, adding the hand seals is extraneous information, and unnecessary as per WP:NOT#INFO. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 20:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand seals 

message: "Prior to the anime's North American debut in 2005, several scanlation and fansub groups translated the series and made it available for free download on the internet. Despite North American companies' perceived tendency to prosecute fansubbing groups more frequently than Japanese companies,[8] there are some that have continued to translate new Naruto episodes due to the extremely large gap between the English and Japanese versions."
Why is this mentioned? What makes Naruto so special to mention this??  THROUGH FIRE  JUSTICE IS SERVED! 23:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: A link should be added where users can go to watch all of the episodes and videos online. This is my favorite website * Naruto Episodes (USA). (url removed by Farix per WP:EL).
:It was removed. Wikipedia is not for advertising purposes and the site you put was a fansite, making it inappropriate for inclusion. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a link to a directory where online episodes can be watched