Talk:Miccosukee

message: An anon IP address made some changes to the article. I found confirmation for one of the changes (federal recognition in 1958), and for an existing claim (recognition by Cuba in 1959), but the sources are on the tribe's own website. As this may not meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, I've open this discussion to see what others think. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 22:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've fixed the confusion; the Miccosukee Tribe of Indians of Florida and the Miccosukee Seminole Nation are two different entities.--Cúchullain t/c 16:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Any good, reliable sources would be welcome, but I don't think we can trust the website of the "Miccosukee Seminole Nation" by itself. According to this article by Harry A. Kersey Jr., an expert on the Seminole and Miccosukee, and Mahon's chapter in The New History of Florida cited here, the original Miccosukee Seminole Nation (or Miccosukee Seminole Tribe) was active in the 1950s and was a predecessor to the modern Miccosukee Tribe of Indians of Florida. It was formed by Miccousukee-speaking Indians mostly living near the Tamiami Trail (the Trail Indians) in opposition to the federally recognized Seminole Tribe of Florida, and was acknowledged by Castro's Cuban government in 1959. This caused the US federal government to take negotiations with them more seriously, and they received federal recognition as as the Miccosukee Tribe of Indians of Florida. The current group (or whatever it is) using the name "Miccosukee Seminole Nation" and running that website appears to be a modern attempt to cash in on the historical name; there is very little information about them beyond their own website.--Cúchullain t/c 14:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal and Cuban recognition 

message: It might be useful to have more current facts if we can find them: for instance, size, # of employees, and revenue generated by casino and related businesses in Miami; size of the reservation, and its uses/activities. Economic impact of tribal activities, development activities, if any, funded by gambling revenues and NASCAR participation. Will try to do some research. Parkwells (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary issues

message: Pritzker supports the fact on control of 200,000 acres of wetlands; I added details from the tribe's website and will be looking for other sources about the lands.Parkwells (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Substituted at 23:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The etymology portion of this article is racist, and invented completely from whole cloth.  It's attributions are fake as well.  "The Journal of Etymological Studies" does not exist, and R. J. Evans-Fitzgerald's translation does not and has never existed on the Miccosukee tribe's official website.  This portion of the article needs to be removed:
"==Etymology==
The etymology of the Miccosukee tribal name have been debated for many years. While the origins have not been fully documented, modern scholarship holds that the name originated among the first Spanish colonizers to reach the North Carolina Basin. In one of the few surviving journals of Juan Ponce de León, he records that his men called the natives they encountered there in the early 16th century micos sucios.  This is likely the earliest recorded version of the name that became "Miccosukee."Journal of Etymological Studies, Issue 15.12, pp. 34-56 He describes the origin of the name:
:When we arrived on the shores of the Northern islands we encountered an odd group of natives. They lead us to their village where they lived in hollow'd mounds and were fully covered in mud and refuse. My lieutenant, [Diaz de la Torre y Gonzaga-Palacios] exclaimed 'Son como micos sucios' (they are like dirty monkeys). From thence forth, until we departed those cold shores, Mico Sucio was the means by which we referred to these happy natives.Translation by R. J. Evans-Fitzgerald"
Schorman (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done That an entire section cited to a fake journal has remained in this article for over 10 years is somewhat embarrassing so thank you for bringing this to attention.  I cannot find any "Journal of Etymological Studies" indexed in any standard academic journal database or even through Google.   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:50, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2017 

message: I do not believe that the Iron Arrow Honor Society should be mentioned in this article. I believe that The Miami Hurricane is not sufficiently independent of the University of Miami and its student body to serve as a source for stating the relationship of the society to the Miccosukee tribe in Wikipedia. Moreover, whether or not that source is acceptable, having a section about the society in this article does not contribute to the quality of the article. Will you agree to removing that section from the article? - Donald Albury 17:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your statements. In my opinion there is a big difference between editorial independence and independence in the sense Wikipedia uses and that student newspapers certainly fail the latter. Thank you. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 14:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And I thank you. - Donald Albury 16:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron Arrow Honor Society