Talk:Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

message: There also seems to be a dispute over the track listing.  I think that the UK version had Problems before God Save the Queen, but the US release shows those two switched.  I personally think Problems fits better in the album before God Save the Queen, but I suppose the UK release should be considered the "official" version, correct?
Or perhaps the French release, which was issued first. Malcolm had a special relation to the French label. --Juryen 10:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have altered the track listing to refer to the original UK version, plus references to the original French version & USA/Canada variant. --DaveG12345 15:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Track listings

message: The paragraph in Overview beginning "Far more intense outrage was sparked..." Was it really? In relation to the album? This outrage may have occurred when the single's were released, but not when the album came out, by which time they were pretty much old news. If anything, there was dissent from critics that all the singles were on the album.
I think this paragraph should be modified to refer to the genuine lyrical outrage sparked by the album, which was the content of the new song "Bodies". --DaveG12345 00:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Outrage?

message: "opponents of this theory counter that it's actually Rotten's Irish brogue leading people to the misinterpretation"
Johnny Rotten does not now, and did not during the 70s, have anything like an Irish brogue; if you ask anyone Irish what Rotten's accent is, they'll say English.  It's not even close to being an Irish accent.  I don't want to edit this sentence out, but if you want to say that his pronunciation of "va-cunt" is a peculiarity of his accent, you might want to find a more accurate description of his accent. --213.131.238.25 12:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish brogue?

message: Mine has twelve tracks, with Problems and God Save the Queen inverse from what Wikipedia currently has. If it means anything, my version also has a yellow cover, rather than pink. If this is an entirely new release, as I suspect, shouldn't its existance, and tracklist, be noted on this page? -- 00:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The track listing section relates to original releases. Yours is the USA track listing (alrerady noted in the article) with apparently UK-style CD artwork. So I would suggest, no, it does not merit any particular mention in the article. --DaveG12345 20:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My tracklist (as Amazon's) differs 

message: Would this be a bootleg? The tracklisting is here
:No, it looks like the limited edition 2-CD version put out by Virgin in the 1990s that included a bonus disc of demos.--DaveG12345 00:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sure it is. i have it. definitely not a bootleg, but a doble cd version, with spunk and speeding sdemos being the second cd --Sickboy3883 13:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2cd edition? 

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message: A decent article but let down by the following in my opinion:
Another standard from the album, "Pretty Vacant" also earned the ire of the British music industry. In his delivery of the song's title in the chorus, Johnny Rotten heavily accents the second syllable of the word "vacant", and clips it very short in stark contrast to his drawn out delivery of the first syllable. Critics and fans alike have noted that it actually sounds like "cunt". Some allege it was deliberate; others counter that it's actually Rotten's accent leading people to the misinterpretation. It does seem unlikely the sharp-witted Rotten would have failed to notice (and savor) the implicit wordplay
This theory sounds like the sort of thing that appeals only to sniggering schoolboys and I note that there are no references or citations to the critics who concur with this pretty juvenile theory.  If he wanted to say cunt he would have said cunt and not try and sneak it into the song where it just doesn't make sense.  There are enough 'fucks' in 'Bodies' (a song about abortion) that trying to suggest that he isn't singing vacant seems frankly silly. --twitter (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call - it doesn't even sound like "cunt" anyway.  I'm tagging this, with half an eye on eventually removing it (and from the Pretty Vacant article as well). --Lfh (talk) 12:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the offending paragraph.  It was uncited, and I agree with both of you; I have never heard this objection, and don't even agree with it on my own opinion.  Since it lacked cites, it looked like dubious personal analysis anyways.  --Jayron32.talk. --contribs 20:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

text: It's true.  Glen Matlock wrote the song, so "Pretty Vacant" is his phrase, but Rotten put his stamp on it by saying "Vay-cunt". Robman94 (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: "Rotten's bitten, over-articulated, angry vocals and his intentional avoidance of "good" singing were startlingly original in style, at that time..."  Leaving aside the question of what is meant by "bitten vocals", was there really anything original about singing angrily in 1977?  Some people may have been startled, but if so I doubt the Pistols' musical invention was responsible. --Lfh (talk) 16:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Original" vocals 

message: Didn't Chris Spedding play a lot of guitar on this one, or was it just on the Anarchy single? I've heard a number of times he and other studio áces sat in because the Pistols were'nt really fit to record a proper album. /Strausszek (talk) 21:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Spedding played on none of the songs. He produced a few demoes, but all instruments were played by Cook en Jones, with some bass work from Matlock on Anarchy in the UK. Belsen (talk) 09:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I know nothing of an keyboard part in any of the Sex Pistols songs. According to my knowledge the band only used drums, bass guitar and several guitar tracks. Belsen (talk) 09:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: That would be Tona DeBrett 94.168.114.80 (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spedding and other uncredited musicians 

message: The Charting and influence section has no fewer than eleven "best album" references, ranging from "second-best album of the previous 20 years" (Rolling Stone) to "41st greatest album of all time" (the same magazine).  Surely this should be culled - two or three references at most should suffice. Scolaire (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''n''th best album of all time 

message: I think someone who is more envolved in this project should delete this, because this "Citation needed" looks as if Steve Jones' ability of playing tight is somehow questionable. As for a suitable citation, Bill Price talks about this on the DVD about "Never Mind The Bollocks". However, I feel that it is not neccessary to quote him, because anyone with a basic understanding of rock music can HEAR this. It is very obvious that Steve Jones' thick wall of sound was created by adding one guitar track after another (they did not have real high gain amps in those times). If Steve Jones would NOT have been the tight player he actually was, he would have inevitably ended in a mess of muffled noise lacking all clarity and definition. But, as anyone with ears can clearly hear, he played very tight and did great. Frankly, I am a bit pissed, because nobody would question the abilities of ... well, a lot of guitar players. So, do we really need "citations" to "prove" that Steve Jones could play, simply because he was in a punk band? 87.139.28.211 (talk) 12:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This can probably be cited to England's Dreaming by Jon Savage. Give me a couple of days and I'll get round to it. Formerip (talk) 00:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Citation needed" because of "extremely tight musicianship"? 

message: I don't care if it's just a stub, will someone please make an article on the band Artichoke?! I've read your wikitalks, I know you think it's not notable enough, but if it's not at all notable then why do you reference it in this article?! This band is much more well known then some of the bands there are pages on, the truth is probably that no admins are fans of them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.165.85 (talk) 00:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whyyyyy??? Why no article on Artichoke????? 

message: I was hoping that there would be something in the article stating why the US version of the album had a pink sleeve instead of the yellow sleeve used in the UK and most other countries.  Does anyone know if a reason has ever been published anywhere? Robman94 (talk) 21:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on expanding the article at the moment, and I vaguely recall reading something about it, so hopefully I'll find an explanation soon. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great Wes because I don't think I've ever read anything about it. Robman94 (talk) 02:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Yellow vs. Pink sleeves 

message: Does anybody feel that this album is heavier than most other Punk bands like the Ramones? Obviously it is a punk record but would anybody consider putting "Hard Rock" as a subgenre to Punk? It uses heavier riffs on certain songs that sound like something Iron Maiden would use. Just my opinion. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 19:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer, no.  Even if an argument could be made that Jones' guitar work was some similarity to heavy metal or hard rock guitar sounds, the Pistols were a punk band and this was a punk record.  The best you could do is to say that somebody likened it to hard rock, if you can find someone that has done so.  Robman94 (talk) 01:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of did, not sure how reliable the source is but it LOOKS legit. If not, then it's cool.  http://ultimateclassicrock.com/35-years-ago-the-sex-pistols-release-never-mind-the-bollocks/ 108.81.33.59 (talk) 05:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a cool review and well written, but I don't think the author in any way describes the band or the music as "hard rock", do you think he does? As for whether you can use that review as a citation, I see that many other pages use ultimateclassicrock.com in their citations, so I would say "yes". Robman94 (talk) 02:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He calls it basic hard rock (building block hard rock) in the review, so that's something I guess. Also I found one more calling it a "stone cold classic hard rock album". http://music.thedigitalfix.com/content/17889/sex-pistols-review.html 108.81.33.59 (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably a longshot but.... 

message: I just read about this album in Rip It Up and Start Again and there's nothing here about the negative reception? According to Reynolds, many felt it marked the end of punk because of its "glossy" production.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 18:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative reception? 

message: If you look at the Notes section for this article, there is one that reads "Ibid. p.193", but there's no Ibid entry in the References list above.  I have tried searching elsewhere to try and find what Ibid refers to and while I did find other books and such that list Ibid as a citation, I couldn't find one that actually says what it is.  Does anyone here know what it is so we can add it as a reference? Just FYI, it was introduced by this edit by an IP. Robman94 (talk) 00:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I found an alternative source for the quotes. Robman94 (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ibid reference? 

message: 2002 documentary is titled 
"Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks (Classic Albums)"
Fully licensed on Youtube, and it is free to watch:
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSrRRMvLY0k
For more info see the description of it on Amazon:
*https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Pistols-Bollocks-Classic-Albums/dp/B07JQYRXCX
The documentary is already used as a reference, and so it should be no problem putting a Youtube link in an external links section. -- Timeshifter (talk) 08:03, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and added the link to the reference. Note that the description says that it is licensed to Youtube. Scroll down the description to see this. -- Timeshifter (talk) 06:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

text: I believe you are mistaken, when you scroll down to the info on the YouTube video what you see are the licenses for the songs included in the video.  If you load up a copy of a Sex Pistols song onto your own YouTube channel, those same notifications will appear, even though you don't have the rights to the song.  So, in my opinion, this particular copy of the Classic Albums DVD is most likely a copyright violation and shouldn't be used as a link on Wikipedia. Also, you broke the harvid reference, so I fixed that. Robman94 (talk) 22:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not know that the song license notifications were automatic. So I guess you can revert my changes, and remove the Youtube link. I couldn't see what the harvid template was doing, so I removed it. Sorry. -- Timeshifter (talk) 03:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, done.  Regarding the harvid stuff, you'll notice that there's a "Notes" list and a "References" list where most of the references are books and there are corresponding entries under "Notes" listing a page number, the harv entry is what ties these together. Robman94 (talk) 15:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary. Fully licensed on Youtube. Full version. Please put it in the reference 

message: BBC Radio 4 broadcast a drama by Michael Eaton, about the Nottingham court case, 30th December 2023. Keyhole49 (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never Mind the Ballocks courtcase drama.