Talk:Dirndl

message: Seems the page is missing some of the modern history on the darker origins of the Dirndl as a traditional German national dress. 
"The modern Dirndl is, like so many popular thing, a product of National Socialism. The creative hit völkischer fashion landed a poorly educated temporary secretary who took the career opportunities in Hitler's Beneficiaries and became the Nazi star designer: Gertrud Pesendorfer, born in 1885 in Hall in Tirol, 1939-1945 Reich Commissioner for costume work and director of Mittelstelle German costume of the National Socialist Women , in charge of the whole kingdom. They drew from the Regional and clapped it to." What Hitler and the Dirndl have in common  96.31.177.52 (talk) 00:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Origins not so rosy ?

message: What would be the correct pronunciation of "Dirndl"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.108.163.1 (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's dɪrndl. The German article about the Bavarian language (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairische_Dialekte) indicates, that there is only a r and no ʁ.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.167.66.158 (talk) 13:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally wrong! This word is Standard German, you don't trill the R. The Bavarians even replaced it with an A, so there is no R in this word at all. --83.135.100.31 (talk) 10:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Probably worth citing something for that whole statement. And if we're including Brazil just because there's some German beer halls that encourage this, we could include a lot more places. Dlamblin (talk) 17:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Brazil seems far-fetched.  I've removed it from the article while I look into it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  And Southern Brazil 

message: The dress on the picture, signed "Traditional Bavarian Dirndl dress during Oktoberfest" - definitely NOT a dirndl, please compare with the german version of the article. Rather, it is a spam from russian photographer living in Germany, who used this way to post pictures of his girlfriend on the Internet. There are enough free photo hostings, why misuse the Wikipedia?88.68.242.105 (talk) 06:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Let us please not vandal the page with deleting what has always been an inherent part of the Dirndl dress, especially nowadays, in its modern appearance, thank you.62.167.12.26 (talk) 12:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 62: Please do not refer to the edits of other contributors as "vandalism" when they are not.  (See WP:VANDALISM)  Also, do not remove other editor's comments from the talk page.I don't know if 88's claim about the photographer is correct, but I will say that I perceived it in very much that way myself when I saw it - it looked like a photo of someone's girlfriend.  I also don't know enough about dirndls to know whether 88 is correct that the picture in question does not show a dirndl, but I do know that this sort article has enough images in it already and does not need anymore. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image dispute

message: Dirndls are worn ONLY in Bavaria (and the other mentioned countries). And this ONLY while traditionally feasts. And this even not from all.  The (worldwide) misunderstanding, that all german/switzer/austrian girls and women wear dirndl ist totally wrong(!) and should be described here somehow. Therefore I suggest to use an other word for "especially". (Alberich from german WP) 88.69.255.52 (talk) 08:05, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reliable source (in English) which confirms theses claims? BMK (talk) 08:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  1. I am german and live here (Cologne), and know how the people of Berlin or Hamburg are dressed ;-) 2. even a stupid german knows that NOT ALL americans wear stetsons. These are mainly worn in Texas and states nearby, or as a part of uniforms. It's common knowledge and needs no exta sources. Germany is not an province in India or elsewhere. But it's ok, if somebody looks for those sources. But it's important to get away from these wrong picture americans (or other) have got from Germany. Also in the english WP (Alberich21 German WP) 88.69.255.52 (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better distinction 

message: Call it Urban Legend is far fetched. Thats what accredited local guides tell to tourists like if it's a fact or it used to be in the past. But perhaps is not an Austrian custom, nor Vienese but an Alpine custom because Austria is not homogenous in its  traditional outfits either.139.47.43.133 (talk) 01:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Dirndl Knot Issue 

message: As a Munich local I'm very puzzled about the list of terms in the "Naming" section. Almost all of these terms don't exist in German or their English translation is wrong.
# "Dirndl-kleid:maid girl’s dress." The correct spelling is "Dirndlkleid" and the meaning is simply "girl's dress" ("maid girl" would probably more refer to a female servant which is misleading).
# "Dirndlgewand: maid girl’s dressing-gown." "Dirndlgewand" simply means "girls' clothings" in Bavarian dialect, "dressing gown" is completely off track.
# "Dirndlgwand: maid girl’s wreath dress." No idea what a "wreath dress" might be (and Google couldn't help) but "Dirndlgwand" is just a dialectal variation of "Dirndlgewand".
# "Landhausmode: country-inspired fashion." Correct.
# "Dirndlkjoler kleid: maid girl’s dress." This is really weird – "kjoler" means "dresses" in Danish and "Kleid" (with a capital K) is German for "dress". This combination doesn't make any sense.
# "Dirndlkjoler: maid girl’s robe." Ditto.
# "Dirndlrock: maid girl's dress skirt." A dirndl is a one piece dress, not a skirt with a separate top. A skirt in dirndl style would be called "Trachtenrock" (skirt in local/ethnic style).
# "De-Cocratisiert: open-collar." This term simply doesn't exist, neither does "crocratisiert" nor anything similar.
# "Entkatholisiert: de-Catholicized." Correct, but not a common term.
# "Unzivilisiert: uncivilized." Correct, but I see no relevance here.
# "Unkatholisch: uncatholic." Ditto.
# "Nicht katholisch: not Catholic." Ditto.
# "Unbeschnitten: uncut." "Unbeschnitten" can mean "not trimmed" but the usual meaning is "uncircumcised". Weird.
# "Ebergötzen-kleid: Iceberg dress." Ebergötzen is a small town in the center of Germany which is neither known for dresses nor icebergs. The only Google hit for that term is this Wikipedia article.
# "Eisbergkleid: Iceberg dress." Lexically correct but makes as much sense as "lettuce trousers" or "windshield shoes".
I'd like to delete this whole nonsensical section if no one opposes. Hagix (talk) 00:56, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

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message: Dirndl is a disaster, full of errors and spelling mistakes.
I would love to improve it but my english is not good enough. I know thought a lot about Dirndls and traditional dresses.
Would anyone like to give it a try on working together?
In the meantime I am going to delete the worst of the mistakes and the interspersed nonsense.
15:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I am not a native speaker either. Nevertheless, I encourage you to be bold: either someone improves you, or reverts you, or the article stays at it is. Cheers and good luck. Purgy (talk) 09:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This lemma is a disaster