Talk:Cassandra Cain/Archive 1

message: It is likely that if an image from the current "Robin" arc were used as the main image here, it would prove unpopular with many users.  Accurate though the image may be for her current situation, it's not a situation many of her fans are happy about, and it would likely be reverted (as it has been in the past).
Cass is no longer Batgirl, however, so the main image of her in that costume is not appropriate either.  I've scanned in the final image from her own series - after she has stopped being Batgirl, but not yet exactly what we're seeing in Robin.  I can understand why people might not prefer it, but I think it's a fair compromise.  I'm not deleting the old image either, to be on the safe side.D1Puck1T 19:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good choice for now.  The current storyline and interpretation of the character isn't necessarily representative in the long run.Bjones 16:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GirlnamedCain.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GirlnamedCain.png ?  I can understand why people would want the text cropped off, but without the text it almost feels like that could be any girl a trenchcoat.D1Puck1T 22:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's in the article. It's just not the main image.--DrBat 13:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The main image being used is also "current", i.e. Cassandra out of uniform - just an image of her out of uniform from a less controversial story.  The "immature little whiners" by the way, are mainly her hard core fans, the folks you'd expect to be checking and working on the page the most.  Not offering a compromise when one's available is just being stubborn.D1Puck1T 14:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main image

message: She and Tim then eventually engaged in a final battle where she maintained the upperhand.
:This account of the battle is inconsistent with the account published on Tim Drake. Someone familiar with the story (which I'm not) needs to fix one or both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cribcage (talk • contribs) 
Well, for starters, I wrote the original updated summaries for both. One can hold their own whilst another maintains the upperhand in a fight. Open your mind a bit. Cassandra did not dominate Tim, but from what I saw, he wasn't winning. That's not inconsist. It's a change in prospective. Each article shouldn't just be a rehash of the other. Also, sign your comments. Tends to make you look like less of a- Oh. I'm being told I can't say that. Ah well. ACS (Wikipedian) 19:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What Ace said is essentially the case.  Tim was surviving against Cass (considerably longer than anyone since Shiva), but Cass still looked like the superior fighter.D1Puck1T 19:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Pucky. ACS (Wikipedian) 18:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent 

message: Remember, information for upcoming stories (such as what teams she will be in) should not be put in the article, which reflects her "current" situation.  If you have an interview, or similar, stating future events, it's okay to reference it, but not in the main article, and be sure to have a spoiler tag.D1Puck1T 04:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be worded differently. I believe what you mean is not to acknowledge data from interviewers and press conferences as status quo. However, her status as "Batgirl" is a "spoiler" as well? At no point did she reclaim her title in the comics. So, why, exactly, are we making an exception in this case? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 18:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  If you think it should be changed back from Batgirl, that would probably be fair.  At the same time, however, I don't believe she ever officially gave up the name and title.  Since the last panel of the last issue had her walking around without the costume and said she was no longer the following the path of Batman, a lot of people assumed she had given the name up.  However she still got called Batgirl in the Robin OYL story, even if she was out of uniform.  I could see either way being fair - if you feel it's a spoiler to be using the Batgirl title, I have no problem with it being reverted to Cassandra Cain until the Titans East story (or the upcoming Supergirl story, whichever is appropriate).  And yes, what I meant is that it's too early to be putting her as being associated with Titans East, or in that category, and let's keep spoilers to clearly marked sections.D1Puck1T 19:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually going the other way. The picture's the real spoiler. You make a good point about the name, but I guess it's like Ralph Dibny. I'll get on it. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, like Ralph should be, anyway. Renee Montoya is probably a better example. Anyway, I also changed the alliance color. She's more on par with the punisher and Jason Todd in recent months. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I very much hope you're right, but I think that, at least given the information as it stands now ("...a girl named cain" & her Robin appearance), "Cassandra Cain" fits more appropriately than "Batgirl."  The instant she's in the black & the yellow we can all have a race to be the first to "put things to right," but sadly until then the Titans East thing happens, she's the head of the League & thats all.mordicai. 10:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed, Puck. Also, a single solicitation and image are hardly grounds to change information relating to established continuity. When Cassandra reclaims the Batgirl mantle in-story, we can change the data (properly and) occuringly. I really don't care about spoilers, it's just not wise to act solely on a solicitation, no matter how "accurate" or "obvious" its assertions may seem. Plus, it'd be something of a double-standardizing slap in the face to comics project policies. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers for upcoming stories