Talk:The New Adventures of Tarzan

message: It has often been reported that at some point this production's sound track was judged to be too poor to use and was replaced, with a different group of actors redubbing the voices. These reports have varied as to when and to which format (serial/feature/features) this was done. The two features had pretty bad sound when they were part of the Tarzan movie package syndicated to local television stations (USA) in my childhood, in comparison to the MGM/RKO/Johnny Weismuller/Lex Barker films that made up the bulk of the package. Then the serial itself showed on the public domain oriented satellite channel the America One Network in the very late 1990s; the audio was quite good, but Tarzan's voice certainly sounded like Herman Brix/Bruce Bennett's own. Does anybody have good documentation about this? Ted Watson (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These reports come from fans who've drawn a conclusion based on a caveat title card on a post-WWII British reissue of the feature version of the serial.  This caveat claims that adverse "atmospheric conditions" in Guatemala reduced quality on some
of the film's sound track.  In fact, if you watch the serial, you will find no such claim made and, furthermore, if you then watch the feature bearing this caveat, you will quickly notice that the sound isn't just fuzzy, but the voices are dubbed.  This dubbing is best noticed when d'Arnot, at the climax, refers to the leader of the Lost Tribe as "Queen Kia-Kia" when, in the serial, the actor (and the script) called her "Queen Maya".  There is no hard documentation available, but it seems clear that the UK reissue company, New Realm, got hold of a print without a viable original soundtrack and re-recorded the whole thing on the cheap.  The results were worse than anticipated, so the caveat credit was added to cover their error, blaming the original American filmmakers and Guatemalan air.  Just as evidently, prints of the original feature version were lost in the US, and this poorly dubbed British version became the source print.  For 50s American TV, the syndicator also clipped in 4 extended sequences of jungle footage taken in Africa to stretch their print out to about 70 minutes (the British version runs only 59, and has a brief shot of hands passing a telegram swiped from Major Martling's pocket replace an extended sequence in which Martling and the steward-henchman fight over the telegram, Tarzan swings to the rescue from the riggings, the telegram is dropped in the struggle and carried by a sea-breeze to Raglan, the steward is captured, and Raglan has to shoot his man from hiding to prevent him revealing Raglan's villanous intentions).  Later these African shots (showing black-skinned families in a tribal village along a river, a veldt, and assorted non-Guatemalan animals as lions, tigers, gazelles and so forth) were excised and the 59 minute print has become a staple of 60s TV "Tarzan Theater" packages, PD videos and now PD DVDs.  If Burroughs Inc. has a copy of the complete and originally-soundtracked feature, they've clearly made no effort to replace this truncated abomination, and have simply let fan rumor build the story of who dubbed what when.  Perhaps it was even Burroughs Inc., and not New Realm, that did the dubbing; that would certainly explain the Burroughs family's  resounding silence about the rumors and facts of the making of the serial and its two feature versions, most of which can be figured out by comparison of versions and a *close* reading of Irwin Porges ERB bio, as well as a few un-followed-up-on memories given by Bruce Bennett to his hasty biographer before his death. ~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.73.195.93 (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate dialog track? 

message: Same problem as in preceding section.
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thread_title: Problems and the rivalry with MGM

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message: This article lists the title of chapter 12 as "Operator No. 17", but the actual on-screen title of chapter 12 is "Operator 17", and at the conclusion of Chapter 11 the same title, "Operator 17", is cited on-screen as the title of chapter 12, the next chapter.  This makes me wonder about the validity of using "Operator No. 17" as the title.  Can anyone shed some light on this?  My personal view is that the on-screen title is preferable. Aeolopile (talk) 02:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct title of chapter 12?