Talk:Tonsillitis

message: Looking back in time, the article was established with the Diberri/Boghog citation style (which we used to use on all articles).  But now it is all over the map.  Before we start work, we should decide on a citation style, and how we are going to provide page numbers.  We know my preference :) If people want to drop citations in according to their familiar style, I am happy to standardize to one style, if we decide what that will be.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  21:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm... as we are not heading towards FAC (at least at this stage), I prefer Dave Iberri's gadget. Until the issue with citation bot is resolved, we can keep a note of the individual page numbers (if necessary). Graham Beards (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  We could always use Template:Rp temporarily for pages, and fix them all to one method when we're done.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  22:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that template still active? It's older than my nephew, Charlie. Sandy, you have an enviable memory, but I think not. Graham Beards (talk) 22:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe just stuck in the past :) If you check with the younger-than-us, I think we are headed to sfns ;). Also, the template thing seems resolved at wt:fac ... seems it is page vs. pages. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  22:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Bedtime in the UK. I will follow up in the morning. Graham Beards (talk) 22:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation format 

message: * None of the book sources include page nos.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  17:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: *Signs & symptoms - prosify and update reference (the newest ref in that section is from 2014. Certainly not a disaster, but a newer one would be nice if available)
*Resolve the reference piles - for reasons unclear to me some uncontroversial-looking sentences carry long strings of citations. I assume there's one that could take the place of the pile.
*Add material - MEDMOS-suggested sections not currently in the article are Classification, Mechanism, Prevention/Screening, Epidemiology, History, Society & culture, Research, and Special populations, and Other animals. My guess is we could write up Mechanism, Epidemiology, and History sections at least? We'll see if sources justify the others.
*Images - are any other images desired? I'm not in love with :File:Tonsillitis_cause.jpg in the causes section...
Feel free to add to this list, either with normal separate posts or in-line if you'd prefer to keep it all in one place. Looking forward to making some progress together. Ajpolino (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have flagged primary sources, and mentioned with inline comments in the Books cited section some problems with some of those.  Stopping for now.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  00:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: To-do

message: Let's make a list of potentially useful sources.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Colin. The BMJ Best Practice (dated Aug 22, 2019), which I have access to,  looks useful too. Graham Beards (talk) 15:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Any chance there's a version of the BMJ Best Practice you'd be willing to share? I can't tell if it expands to something that looks like an article, or if it's all clickable website sections. Either way, sadly I don't have access, but would love to take a look. Ajpolino (talk) 03:08, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Reading all about tonsils. Didn't know you had four kinds in different parts of your nose/throat. Didn't know they got bigger in childhood and shrunk in adulthood. Didn't know about peritonsillar abscess  aka quinsy. Never heard of "quinsy". Thought it might be archaic but then I saw the NHS used that term so perhaps that's actually the common term, and should be in our lead. Either way "peritonsillar abscess" or "quinsy" probably don't mean anything to many people, so might need explained. Didn't know about tonsil stones. I knew tonsillectomy was performed more often in the 70s and less so now, but didn't know that it was REALLY common early 20th century and is an ancient procedure. I'm seeing "tonsillotomy" mentioned on some websites/papers (is this a partial tonsillectomy?) but isn't mentioned here (it is mentioned at tonsillectomy but there isn't even a tonsillotomy redirect). We probably should have a bit more about tonsillectomy here, even though there is a dedicated article. 
I think the statement "as viruses and bacteria enter the body through the nose and mouth, they are filtered in the tonsils" is probably bollocks. They do seem to be involved in an immune response (is that only a local response, or can it generate immune response elsewhere such as in the lungs?) but the idea they are a kind of face mask is a bit silly.  Since they shrink in adulthood, and are relatively large in childhood vs throat size, I can see very physical reasons why tonsillitis is a childhood disease. But is there more to it than that and can we give more on the age-related epidemiology. Is there any more epidemiology? If the tonsils are part of your immune system, why is it that they are the ones to suffer when you get the infection? Wouldn't those bits be best at fighting it off? If you don't have much tonsil as an adult, how does that change your incidence or severity of sore throat? -- Colin°Talk 21:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also wondering whether tonsillopharyngitis/pharyngotonsilitis should be covered primarily in this article or in Pharyngitis. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had much more trouble than I expected finding good sources on "tonsillitis" rather than tonsillopharyngitis/sore throat. This review (in the "Terminology and ICD10 Classification" section) gives a nice breakdown of the ways people reference tonsillitis in the literature that I found somewhat understandable. To WAID's question, it seems like tonsillitis is nearly always associated with pharyngitis, but I haven't found any source that comes out and says it in those words... Ajpolino (talk) 23:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

text: BTW, "tonsillotomy" is a debulking procedure more commonly called "intracapsular tonsillectomy", used to treat obstructive symptoms from bulky tonsils. — soupvector (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Soupvector, thanks for this.  I think the 'audience' I have in mind is someone who gets an e-mail message saying something like "little Johnny has tonsillitis again, and we hope he won't end up needing surgery".  The recipient of this e-mail message heads to Wikipedia to learn a little more.  Is it reasonably safe to assume that sources talking about pharyngotonsillitis are relevant to that subject? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In practice, inflammation of the pharynx (generally) and tonsils (specifically) is on a continuum, and there certainly appears to be overlap in the etiologies. So, I think the answer to your question is yes. — soupvector (talk) 02:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Random stuff

message: Hi all, I'm sure this will pop up a few times but the article currently attributes 50 to 80% of tonsillitis to viruses, sourced to a 2014 review in Clinical Otolaryngology. A 2018 review in Surgery gives a bit less to viruses (sorry Graham), claiming 40-60%. Anyone see other numbers to break the tie, or have a reason to prefer one source over the other? Ajpolino (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I did some low-level clean up. I also noticed that the lead says "Tonsillitis is most commonly caused by a viral infection and about 5% to 40% of cases are caused by a bacterial infection.  " while later on under Causes (as  has shared above), it says "The most common causes are viral infections; these account for 50 to 80% of tonsillitis cases." JenOttawa (talk) 01:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Disagreeing numbers

message: Suggestions 2409:4042:4E99:E47E:194E:C4AF:6F19:358E (talk) 20:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonsillitis in old person 

message: i slay 86.22.124.150 (talk) 08:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  slay