Talk:Morisco

message: Muslim pirates had been routinely causing trouble, even devastation, to Christian coastal areas on the European side of the Mediterranean CENTURIES BEFORE THE MORISCOS EVEN EXISTED, let alone after their expulsion. One of the reasons they were expelled was the strongly held suspicion that they were informing the Barbary privateers where and when to launch a raid.
It was the devastation these raids caused that made Spaniards furious.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.57.15 (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Barbary Privateers

message: There is a major discontinuity between this article and Timeline of Muslim presence in Iberia.  The way the Morisco are treated in the two articles you would think they were different people.  Someone with better historical knowledge than myself needs to take a look and change one of the articles to bring the accounts into agreement. --StuffOfInterest 19:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontinuity 

message: I see several problems in the head of the article
  "A morisco (Spanish) or mourisco (Portuguese), meaning "Moor-like", was a nominally Catholic inhabitant of Spain and Portugal of Muslim heritage.
 Over time the term was used in a pejorative sense applied to those nominal Catholics who were suspected of secretly practicing Islam.
 Similarly, converted Jews (conversos) who secretly held to Judaism were called marranos."
Firstly, there is no translation of the word, therefore the use of "moor-like" only contributes to misunderstanding.
Secondly, there is no clear reference to the fact that they were moors converted to christianism. However, it should be clearly termed, because the historical definition of morisco is: baptised moor who remained in the Peninsula after the Christian conquest.
In addition, it is a term used since the 16th century (1502), the moors not converted into christianism and living in Christian territory were called Mudéjares.
Thus, it is clear that only when the Christians forced them to conversion (1502) they received this name.
Thirdly, the term was used both for those who converted voluntarily and those who were compelled to.
Finally, I see absolutely no need to talk about the converted Jews. If any it should be included in the text. But actually I don't see the point of the reference nor the fact that this article is part of the WikiProject: Judaism.
The jews were expelled in 1492, and the moriscos come to existence in the 1502 (as a group termed like that). Apart from being both in the Iberian Peninsula I see no other connexion.
--Grimelhausen (talk) 20:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On last point an opinion only; I find it helpful to see briefest mention of [Marrano] on [Morisco] page (and reverse), for a link to quickly refer to each.  They were both [conversos] as I understand the term, they shared centuries of interdependence, and then a mutual suffering connexion as victims of the [Inquisition] and ever-growing intolerance. That actions upon them in that era are separated by a decade does not need to preclude a link. The connexion can be seen as far more than "on the Iberian Peninsula at the same time." Thanks---Look2See1 (talk) 02:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: This article lacks the whole situation of the Mouriscos in Portugal! The Ogre (talk) 14:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moriscos in Portugal 

message: The section about the genetic impact requires expansion. I've included some relevant material from Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula as to represent all sides of the story, since not all studies concluded the same. I don't know why it was deleted since nothing prevent copy/paste of relevant material from other articles, Wikipedia articles are public domain. Tachfin (talk) 16:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't copy & paste contents from a page to another page in Wikipedia. That is called unnecessary duplication of content. Nobody except you does that. Contents should be put in the page where they are more meaningful. The other pages should just have a link to that page. That is plain common sense. Please don't insist in including redundant contents here or anywhere else. Jotamar (talk) 18:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing in Wikipedia policy that supports what you stated. There is no redundancy. If you have other objections to the inclusions of that material please voice them the one you've just stated is bogus. Tachfin (talk) 18:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Note that I have provided attribution for the copied materiel in the edit summary of this edit as per WP:COPYWITHIN as well as here on the talk page. Though only a part was copied. Tachfin (talk) 14:04, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic impact 

message: The section seems pretty random, devoid of meaningful information and pointless. I suggest it is removed and, if required, its sparse content incorporated elsewhere.2.137.191.198 (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree... --Omar-toons (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Moriscas

message: "While the descendants of those Moriscos who fled to North Africa have remained strongly aware and proud of their andalusi roots,[citation needed] the Moriscos' identity as a community was wiped out in Spain"
Omar-toons Since you are moroccan of andalusi descent yourself, could you find an adequate source for this statement? ana ma9dertch nel9aha...2.137.191.198 (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Source missing

message: ::::Omar-toons, CarlstakI think I begin to see the solution to this issue which everyone will agree with. In any case the para is in the wrong section now.
::::Carlstak could you fix the study on tunisians and post it here, please? I can find use for it (Don't worry Omar-toons, I won't use it in a way you will disagree with it, Im pretty sure.)Asilah1981 (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, Asilah1981, but I can't link it here as a ref because this page has no reflist. You can get the wikicode from this editing page. Carlstak (talk) 12:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Excellent. Scientific evidence that supports statements by Chejne, et al. Nicely done,(talk). Carlstak (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Revamping population genetics section

message: There are some low quality sources with erroneous understandings and misconceptions about Morisco descendants today. I have begun to add info and sources. Does anyone object to me removing the line that "there are millions of morisco descendants who are impossible to identify" even though certain sources express this view? Morisco descendants in Morocco, are very much identifiable.Asilah1981 (talk) 11:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Morisco descendants

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message: The use of the word morisco for the casta system in the Spanish colonies in the Americas is mostly unrelated to the main topic of this page, therefore it should be split to a new page, or included in the aforementioned casta page. --Jotamar (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Carlstak (talk) 21:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split of morisco (casta system) 

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