Talk:FC Bayern Munich 1–2 Norwich City F.C. (1993)

message: Per discussion at the AfD, where several contributors were uncomfortable with the current article name, I propose to rename the article Bayern Munich v Norwich City (1993). This is not a vote, or even a !vote, but an attempt to find some consensus by debate. Please contribute in this section. --Dweller 11:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure why we need to disambiguate with 1993 in the title since this is the only Bayern Munich v Norwich City game ever played? The title should be as short as it unambiguously can be. My suggestion is a simple Bayern Munich v Norwich City. TerriersFan 16:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was coming here to asking a rename, but I see there's already an ongoing discussion about the issue. I support Dweller's proposal, that is consistent with several other somewhat similar articles, such as England v Hungary (1953). --Angelo 01:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd err on the side of TerriersFan.  I think that unless it needs to be disambiguated from another match, it doesn't need the year.  The Rambling Man 14:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: In reply to Angelo, there have been other England v Hungary encounters hence the need to disambiguate. TerriersFan 16:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think you need to worry, I can't see another BM v NCFC matchup in our lifetimes...! The Rambling Man 10:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheeky binman! --Dweller 11:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: On 10 September 2007,  moved "Bayern Munich 1–2 Norwich City" to "Bayern Munich v Norwich City". On 28 September 2019,  moved "Bayern Munich v Norwich City" to "Bayern Munich 1–2 Norwich City (1993)", the current title. Harrias talk 07:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that move. It seems an unnecessary disambiguation, but a) there's a slim chance the sides will meet again and b) it seems to be consistent with other notable matches. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: An editor changed one use of Olympic stadium to Olympiastadion. My view is that we should stick with the Anglicised version as in its WP article. Whichever form we use we should use the same form in each occurrence. I have also fixed the link to Olympic Stadium (Munich). TerriersFan (talk) 15:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic stadium 

message: As noted above, this article reads not like a report of a match, but as a rather fanboy-ish account of what the match was like from a Norwich fan's point of view, and takes several shots at Bayern Munich, which I don't think belong here. 99.234.182.107 (talk) 18:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So, do us all a favour and contribute to the Bayern side of things.  Just whinging about it won't actually make it any better, will it? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a bunch of German media coverage to add to the article - just not had time yet. Incidentally, it mostly tends to chime with the British media's point of view. --Dweller (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Exceedingly biased

message: () --Dweller (talk) 08:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goss charity ride 

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message: The two UEFA sites both say 26 minutes. We say 30. What does the match video show? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The only videos I can find don't have the time showing when the goals were scored, but all the contemporary newspaper reports say around 30 minutes: The Times says 30 minutes, The Guardian says 30 minutes, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says 31 minutes. Harrias talk 15:17, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Might be worth a note? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Newcastle Journal says 31 minutes, as does the Dublin Evening Herald and the Aberdeen Evening Express.  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

text: What a mess.  Perhaps pick the most common one (31) and make a general footnote that other media outlets (UEFA, Sky etc) had slightly different timings...?  Someone is bound to ask. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

text: That's a good point.  I wonder where all the 31's come from.  Perhaps it was the stun factor, everyone was in shock and failed to look at the clock until later... Ho hum.  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The goal came after 29 minutes and 44 seconds, so the WorldFootball.net reference supports the use of 30'. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timing of Bowen goal 

message: I note we vary the style, both in italics or not italics.  Suggest we come to a consensus on the best approach and make it consistent. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:LANG says that , which is the method I followed in the match summary. Given that it is frequently referred to as the "Olympic Stadium" in press reports, I thought it useful to provide that translation in brackets, though this should be moved to the first mention if the final edit mentions the ground earlier. Harrias talk 09:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm struggling to see how that template can be used with a link to a different target... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, think we're done on this point. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium name again (minor point) 

message: Without context, this claim is difficult for a reader to assess. Is there a way to find any stats on just how many matches against British opposition they were previously unbeaten in, or how many in total tried and failed? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about specific numbers. Bayern Memories: Why Norwich City’s success at the Olympic Stadium was such a special achievement does expand a little: "No English team had ever beaten Bayern on their own soil before, with Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham, Leeds and Coventry all trying and failing before Norwich. That record remained through until Munich leaving their traditional home for the modern Allianz Arena in 2005, which was built for the 2006 World Cup in Germany. Nottingham Forest, Manchester United and Arsenal all had attempts at replicating the Canaries’ success before the stadium switch but failed." Harrias talk 09:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I discovered FC Bayern Munich in international football competitions which has everything we could possibly need.  Question is, is it all suitably referenced?  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

text: That factoid is already in the article (I added it yesterday I think).  But it doesn't give adequate context to the British clubs at the Olympic Stadium issue.  I think that needs to be worked out from the Bayern in Europe article I added above?  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: On a manual count, it looks like it was Bayern's 14th match against British opposition. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the only time a British side beat Bayern in a game played in the Olympiastadion" 

message: The references to Kicker, #27 "Kicker, issue 84" and #39, "Kicker, issue 85", need expanded to include all the citation details before GA. Harrias talk 08:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. I've added in a page needed request for the FourFourTwo reference (#38), and an unreliable source query for greatestever.com (#49). Harrias talk 09:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced the latter. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

text: No idea where we'd find the former.  I don't have back issues, any clues?  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just had a look back on eBay. It looks like "The 100 Greatest Matches Ever Played" was actually a supplement to the magazine. It was added by  with this edit so hopefully it's still hanging around? Harrias talk 09:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I might have thrown it out, sadly. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

text: If it's any help, I don't think it had page numbers. It was a 4 or 8 page supplement I think. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reworked it a little, what do you reckon? Harrias talk 09:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Works fine for me.  We'll have to see what an independent reviewer would think. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I'm happy, too. You've both done great work here. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Kicker'' references