Talk:Madonna/Archive 4

message: Who is Damian Zikakis?  Via google, he appears to be a success full accountant.  Is he really notable enough to be mentioned in the article?  I'm not going to edit anything myself, but I think the sentence about him should be removed.
Mls737 05:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: At Michigan

message: STOP it with the horrid biased glorification in the intro! Who the hell put that "Immaculate Collection...highest selling album" bit in the intro? PURE fan glorification. This is NOT necessary to the intro and NOT an important aspect to Madonna's entire career. Keep this stuff OUT! PatrickJ83 01:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP 

message: I'm seeing repeated vandalism from ip address: 75.14.54.140 with the same message as above.
--Tbannist 20:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: She was from Quebec which is in Canada, not America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 154.20.140.231 (talk) 09:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing out this error.  From what I can tell, Madonna's mother was born in the U.S. but was of French-Canadian descent.  I have edited the text accordingly.--Vbd (talk) 16:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna's mother was Canadian 

message: Why did I revert User:Israell's phrase, ". . . Madonna Louise Fortin, an American who was of French-Canadian descent" back to "Madonna Louise Fortin, who was of French-Canadian descent"?  Because the word "American" is implied and is therefore unnecessary.  I don't think it adds any clarity to the sentence.  If anything, it makes the sentence awkward.--Vbd (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna's mother, part II 

message: Madonna has had so many looks over the years and now her own official fashion line.  Would someone be up to creating a page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.82.82.248 (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would Someone Be Willing To Start A Fashion Section 

message: Why have the portions on Madonna's acting and book history been relocated to other pages?  Both are integral parts of her history as an artist, and certainly have more place in her article than "diet and exercise" and "at the present". — Charity 23:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page was way too long.  As per Wiki standards, it HAD to be cut down.  There are already sections dedicated to those topics anyway. Herewego123 05:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting and book bios 

message: The wording in some sections makes it very evident that it was written by excited fans, who were having the time of their lives. Case in point, the meticulously detailed song descriptions on the audio samples.  Very fancrufty. - Jtpop 00:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, especially with the photos.  I wouldn't dare touch it myself, since I know an edit war would begin.  The page is entirely too long as well, and lacks any sources.  If anyone wants to take a crack at it, go ahead! Herewego123 05:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is way too fancrufty 

message: Joni Mitchell once declared, "She has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena. She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people".[67] Other popular entertainers like Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Mariah Carey[68] have expressed disapproval of her artistic abilities, disdain, or criticism against her image and work.
These reference numbers refer to nothing.
 I agree. This section of the article should either be deleted or given authentic references. --Anzuru 00:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Madonna's "fat Italian thighs" and adoption flap doesn't warrant so much space! The Italian thighs bit is pure fan fluff and the adoption is no more than a small blip on her career. PatrickJ83 21:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the stuff about her adoption and Italian heritage needs to go 

message: The article says that Madonna studied dance under the tutelage of Martha Graham, but I don't think that this is true. I know that she studied under Pearl Lang, who had been a protege of Martha Graham, but having studied under someone who studied under someone else does not qualify the statement that Madonna had studied with Martha Graham.
Could someone please close the quotation marks (") after "Gambler" in the Vision Quest soundtrack section?  Thanks
152.23.77.38 11:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martha Graham 

message: -Political views. This needed to go because it is purely personal and not essential to her career, which is why she is famous. She isn't famous for who she votes for or against. Nor does she bring her politics into her music (let's NOT start a debate about THAT ploise!) so her political views aren't important enough to warrant their own section. If people want to discuss these, they ought to be sprinkled throughout instead of getting their own unique section.
-Diet & exercise. I've deleted this because it was barely a few sentences long and that doesn't warrant its on section unless it is going to be expanded on greatly. However her exercising could be discussed in an entirely new section - perhaps an "IMAGE" section? PatrickJ83 22:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: agree - I think they needed to go.  Let's just accept that every celebrity has a political opinion, even if their political opinion is that politics don't interest them, and let's keep it out of their article unless it has some relevance to their career or their public life.   Some celebrities have "politicised" their careers - Madonna has not particularly done this, and without demonstrating relevance, it's trivia.  Likewise her fitness regime and diet.   Lot's of celebrities embark on some kind of program and unless they become Jane Fonda it's not especially noteworthy.  Madonna is fit and trim.  I'm sure that could be mentioned somewhere, but it doesn't need a section to do it.  I think the article still needs a lot of work, but this is a small step in the right direction.  Rossrs 12:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Politics has ALWAYS been part of Madonna's career, from religious to sexual politics.  "American Life" album.  Hello?  I think you guys have missed a lot of Madonna's career.  The Religious Right has been after her for years and she's always been an activist, including her vocal stance of AIDS.  It's all political. She also was involved in supporting Wesley Clark.  She has support Hillary Clinton and Al Gore, and supported Bill Clinton in the 90s.  Did you see her documentary?  Totally political.  Her tours are political.  Confessions incorporated a ton. 68.82.82.248 16:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I did away with these sections: 

message: I have moved some of the parts about Madonna's rebellion from "Influences" to "Criticism", as it relates to the Pope's criticism of her actions.  Also, I moved a small section on Madonna's "praised appearance" in League of Their Own from "Influences" to the 1992 subheading above, where it speaks of her role, also. Mostly, I've made these changes to reduce redundancy, establish more consistency, and improve conciseness.  If you have a problem with these changes, please notify me or edit where you see fit, as, from what I see, this page still needs work to regain "Featured" status(especially with "bloat" and missing citations).  Perhaps if the "Criticism" can be more concise and brief, that would improve the overall picture.
I've tried to find some citations for information in the "Influences" section, but have yet to find some.  It might have to be deleted if no information is found for citations, but I will try my best to fill in the blanks.  Remember, most of the world has access to this article if they wish, and the right information is necessary for this site's credibility! Auto-Unsigned -->--EtTuBrute 04:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move arounds: does  consensus agree? 

message: I guess she recently cut a new album or released a song? Guess we could add in some stuff on this. Gautam Discuss 07:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So be Bold and add it in. Thats what someone told me once.Tourskin 03:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Song/Album

message: I ain't one to talk so i will go easy - some parts of the last few sections about criticism towards her is very vague even though its cited - it keeps going on about how "some people think this and that" and that her lyrics are "dull and boring". Since most of it is well cited, surely the identity of these individuals can be found in the citation, unless of course these citations don't state who gives her criticism. Other wise it should be cut down to a few lines or less.  Tourskin 03:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague, a little 

message: I think there should be something to compare the to. Lets not forget people it was only because Jackson became the King that Madonna became the queen so i Hate to burst the bubble. She cant dance as well as him, she cant sing as well as him, she cant write as well as him, she doesnt make music videos like him and she doesnt have 5 albums that have each sold over 20 million copies. Also he was selling albums before she could read, his career is undisputed. Also no madonna fan can cover this up by simply saying "well Jacko is wierd" because the fact that he is strange and still outsold madonna actually strengthens my argument. On top of that the real queen show down is between Madonna, Diana Ross ,mariah or janet Jackson. In the 90`s she was only the 3 most successful female behind Mariah and Janet.  That said I do actually like her especially her songs mid 90`s onwards. I would also like to congratulate her on her latest album Confessionsn it was something different in todays boring music of emo bands that have one album and fall into complete darkness after.Realist2 09:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh No, they didnt even fight in a national tv and this is an encyclopedia.--SuperHotWiki 12:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This is lovely and all (really, it is, you both get cookies  ), but it has nothing to do with the article.  Regardless of who's a bigger star (I really don't care), the two are not closely related and do not have a public feud (in the vein of Aguilera and Spears, at least).  None of this belongs in the article.  If you want to discuss who's better, take it elsewhere; talk pages are for discussing articles.  ShadowHalo 07:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna v Jackson 

message: The book of world records did NOT list Madonna as "one of the most successful female recording artists". It listed her as THE most successful you stupid jealous Mariah Carey fans.
And NOW it says about the Confessions tour in the middle of the article, "it was one of the biggest grossing tours by a female artist." No. It is THE biggest grossing tour by a female artist. It's apparent whoever is editing this article is trying to make Madonna be "one of" the biggest female artists and not THE biggest as the record books suggest.
So Im confused what do you believe, that shes the biggest female (which is what I believe) or have you converted yourself into believeing she is THE biggest and has sold more tham MJ, or Elvis? Realist2 10:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WRONG again

message: I think besides Pop-Dance, Synthpop, Electronica, R'n B and Hip Hop we should also include Jazz, Funky and maybe Country genres too, since she has made several such songs.
::Jazz, yes.  The others, no. Maddyfan 17:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna's musical genres 

message: "Madonna's pronunciation, in her recital of Sanskrit shlokas taken from the opening hymn of yoga taravali for her album Ray of Light, had been declared incorrect by Sanskrit pandits of Benares and, the material girl learnt the basics of the correct pronunciation of Sanskrit words from an eminent scholar, Dr B P T Vagish Shastri through telephonic chats arranged by the BBC, London.[16][17]"
This sentence doesn't make sense to me (was her pronunciation actually wrong or not? and also: "the material girl"? "telephonic"?), but I'd rather not edit myself as I don't know anything about the subject.
Alessandriana 23:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanskrit shlokas 

message: The fourth paragraph of the bio section begins: "She left at the end of her sophomore year in 1978...", but there's no indication of what she left. I haven't looked at this article in several months, but it used to have a sentence or two about attending U of M after high school. The way it reads now though, makes her a high school dropout. -  Jdha 04:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  U of M mention missing 

message: I discovered on a site that she is a distant cousin of Gwen Stefani. Gwen's great-aunt's mother-in-law shares the same last name with Madonna.I can`t change the page to include this because is semi-protected.Could someone please add this?I think it`s kinda important...
:That's not important; that's trivia.  17Drew 16:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madge and Gwen 

message: I deleted the citations needed template in the first paragraph because anyone whose even fairly familiar with the artist will know that. Lighthead þ 02:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure there are better sources out there to support this claim. I don't think websites like yuddy.com have enough authority. Aquarius • talk 20:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: There are several sources I found which include the information postulated, however yuddy.com is the only one I have found in which the information is gathered into one paragraph. On a related note it has to be said that Citation requests on this page have got out of control ie: one requesting that a source is given to support the claim that the Who's That Girl Tour took place in 1987!
(Apex156 11:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Go two sentences below that (next Tag). You appear to have missed it.
(Apex156 17:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: OK. I will try to find references concerning the Who's That Girl Tour's stats etc. but if none are found in say a week "succsessful" should be edited.
(Apex156 20:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted (citations needed) 

message: Someone please remove the sales figures. Just fancruft - "highest selling" is good enough. I would remove but all those inside citations make it complicated. THANKS! PatrickJ83 17:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening salvo is a mess, AGAIN! 

message: I have noticed that in Madonna's info box that it has listed there that she has been active since 1982. I was under the impression that she was a drummer in a band called "The Breakfast Club" in the late 1970s and early 1980s and also sang and wrote songs since the late 1970s... Jdcrackers 01:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, for sake of clarity, we're sticking with her solo career. PatrickJ83 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna Years Active