Talk:Giuseppe Rossi

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GiuseppeRossi.jpg

message: Should the American flag icon be placed next to his place of birth? I'm not sure of the standard being used across the board on this, but as he plays for the Italian national side and not the US national side, wouldn't that warrant a flag or mention of that on the sidebar? - Isaiahcambron 13:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

message: There has been a spate of edits to Rossi's stats, most of which have revolved around editing his years at the various clubs. One edit was changing the years of Rossi's Manchester United career from 2004-2007 to 2004-2006. Rossi was on loan from Manchester United to Newcastle and Parma over the course of the last two seasons. However, he was still a member of ManU, no? So why the edit? I'm going to revert it to 2007 until someone provides a rational explanation for changing it to 2006. Isaiah 14:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only that, but why was his year at Parma prior to ManU deleted? I won't revert that as it makes some sense, but shouldn't Manchester United be added as one of his youth clubs? The article itself states "There [at ManU], he enjoyed prolific form in the Youth and Reserve teams but had limited chances with the senior side." Thus he must have played for them... Isaiah 14:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years at clubs 

message: There has been a minor edit-war going on here over whether or not Rossi should be "Italian" or "Italian-American". Since he is a dual citizen, writing only Italian strikes me as incorrectly specific. That is, it suggests he is specifically not a dual citizen, which he is. Therefore, it seems that Rossi's nationality should be left as "Italian-American" or "American-Italian". Either way is certainly acceptable to me as I cannot be so presumptuous as to assume I know whether Rossi regards himself as primarily Italian or American. I will continue to revert changes away from "Italian-American" until a discussion appears here. Isaiah 19:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality, again 

message: Someone hilariously vandalised this page. I was about to revert it, but I think you should place this at the nonsense page. I don't know how to do this, though. Can someone do it? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.92.73.193 (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism to be put at nonsense page? 

message: The text says he scored one goal with Newcastle in the Carling Cup but the table shows 11 apps and 0 goals.  Which is it?  I would edit it, but I don't know which is correct or if Cup goals somehow don't count for this article.24.1.20.212 (talk) 07:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As for all football player infoboxes, club statistics are for domestic league appearances and goals only, and exclude cups and European competitions. -- Arwel (talk) 00:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newcastle goal? 

message: Giuseppe Rossi is italian, since he was born. He is not an american boy who decided to became italian when he was 18 years old or something else. So, in his presentation we must have to say that he is italian. The fact that he has also the American passport his important, but his first nationality and the one that he has chosen for his football carrer is the Italian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.3.185.97 (talk) 09:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He was born in the United States!  How can his "first nationality" be Italian?  He is a dual citizen from birth.  He chose to play for Italy, but that doesn't make him not an American.  Uac1530 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His sporting nationality is Italian so that is considered his primary nationality in the eyes of WP. See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Use of flags for sportspeople. I realize that the given policy was written in regards to flags, but the principle is the same. He is American by birth, yes, but he has chosen Italy. For example, Freddy Adu and Pablo Mastroeni are considered Americans, but neither was born in the United States, having been born in Ghana and Argentina, respectively. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 17:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Strictly speaking, Pablo Mastroeni is an "is an American soccer player of Italian Argentine heritage".  That's a bit cumbersome, and you couldn't really do something like that here.  "Italian footballer of US birth to NJ Itlaian Immigrants"?  Nah...  His birthplace is listed, so anyone looking at the article who knows basic US laws knows that he's a traitor as far as football is concerned.  I don't think the article needs to belabor the point. We might want to note that his teammates call him "The American", if someone could find a source.MasonicDevice (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I've reworked the lede to avoid this pointless nationalism dispute. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Because this is to do with sporting nationality. Both Balotelli and Rossi play for the Italy national team. Can I assume there is a mention of Balotelli's Ghanaian heritage in the lead section of his article? – PeeJay 15:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian 

message: PeeJay 2k3 stop with your vandalism on this page. The page is correct, if you change some sentences wihtout any reason, you are doing a vandalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.20.198.29 (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording of this page has been agreed upon by consensus. The current wording avoids stupid arguments regarding Rossi's actual nationality vs his sporting nationality. – PeeJay 20:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism on this page by PeeJay2k3

message: PeeJay 2K3 wants to hide the fact that Giuseppe Rossi is an Italian footballer, we cannot admit this kind of vandalism. Rossi is an Italian footballer. And after that, as a man, he is Italian American. Stop.--82.55.210.94 (talk) 11:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rossi is Italian American, yes. Therefore he is both an Italian footballer and an American soccer player. This has been agreed by discussion at WT:FOOTY. Take it up there if you want to discuss it further. – PeeJay 12:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Read WP:MOSBIO. There's no requirement to include his nationality/ies in the first sentence, only in the first paragraph. Per WP:MOSBIO and WP:UNDUE, both nationalities should be included, alongside each other, as well as his sporting nationality. --hippo43 (talk) 17:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Another vandalism by the same user

message: The current introduction sentence is correct, because we have to say that Rossi ia an Italian footbaal player, because he is a menber of the Italian national team and he represent this country as a player in his sport career.--80.181.221.183 (talk) 18:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We do already include that he is Italian and plays for Italy (as well as his dual nationality and birthplace). Have you read the policies above? --hippo43 (talk) 18:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Nobody is hiding a single thing. If you read the the current introduction, you will see that it is mentioned that he is an Italian citizen and plays for the Italian national team. Freddy Adu is Ghana-born but plays for the US national team. He is American due to citizenship, but is of Ghanaian nationality. –  LATICS  talk  02:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Again, read WP:MOSBIO. He has dual nationalities, so both are mentioned, per WP:UNDUE. He is Italian and American, born in the USA and plays for Italy, so the lead reflects all that. Simply stating 'Italian' is untrue and misleading. --hippo43 (talk) 14:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

text: As has been repeated numerous times, nobody is attempting to "hide" anything. Where there is any potential confusion as to a person's nationality, we should avoid lending undue weight to any particular viewpoint. The lede was clear enough already without having to overtly pin a nationality on him. As you are the only person who thinks otherwise (assuming that the IPs listed here are you, which appears obvious given the edit summaries), there seems to be obvious consensus for the old version. It'll be restored when this dies down. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Rossi's nationality is more complicated than other footballers. It thus deserves a more complicated explanation. This attempt to force a nationality to be branded onto him is inappropriate, and you're the only one who disagrees, so we will go with the consensus version. I do not expect you to revert this again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, what football team someone plays for is not the only thing which determines his nationality. To say that he is Italian because he plays for Italy is only half the story. The old lede was perfectly clear. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Giuseppe Rossi the person is not really the issue here: of himself, he is not notable (I'm sure his mum thinks he is very noteworthy, but this is an encyclopaedia, not her diary), except for the fact that he plays football.  So the relevant principle is his footballing nationality.  I would suggest that, in keeping with the practice at very many other footballers' articles, he is, to our purposes, "a US-born Italian footballer".  Unless we have clear evidence, we should be very careful about saying what citizenship anybody has: we can know whether they have the right to a citizenship, but where they have the option of more than one citizenship/nationality, we cannot assert it ithout evidnce: although one's passport is in the public forum, it is rarely public knowledge. Kevin McE (talk) 09:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no such thing as a "footballing nationality". This contrivance has to end; other articles which make the same mistake should be corrected. We have evidence that he has dual citizenship and we currently present this logically in the lede. End of story. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

text:  I agree with Kevin McE. For example, in the Mexican Footballer Edgar Castillo article, there is clearly no problem with his Mexican-American heritage. While he represents Mexico internationally and is clearly stated in the article, the reality is that he is in fact, a Mexican-American and says so on the first line. There is no problem with his article or in the case of other dual citizenship players (Such as US International Pablo Mastroeni.) It appears that the talk about Vandalism and soforth is an overreaction. I agree with the term "a US-born Italian footballer".Wessoman (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's contradictory. The Castillo article follows the format of this article, i.e. it describes his nationality without forcing him into a pigeon hole. There is no confusion in this article right now, whereas there certainly was when people were insisting on describing Rossi as "American-born" when he's still a US citizen who speaks English as a first language who happens to play for a different country's national team. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Introducion sentence

message: I ask the intervention of some Wikipedia admin. for the behaviour of user PeeJay2K3 and Hippo43, because both of them clearly wnats to hide the fact that Giuseppe Rossi is an Italian footballer. They doesn't want this kind of sentence, wich for Wikipedia is the usual sentence for the introduction page of the footballers. They want to put his dual citizenship in the intoduction sentence, when in the very first paragraph we said "Giuseppe Rossi is an Italian American". I think that for Wikipedia this is unaceptable, because they don't give any reason for their behaviour, and they wants to hide the reality. Giuseppe Rossi is like all the other players, this is not a special case, in football he represents Italy, like Henry represent France or Messi represent Argentina.--Tesaux (talk) 09:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference with Henry and Messi is that they do not have dual nationality. They may have citizenship of another country, but, unlike Rossi, they are not dual nationality. – PeeJay 10:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PeeJay, I'm not totally clear on what you mean by the difference between citizenship and nationality. In any case, the issue here is clear. I have warned Blocci and Tesaux about WP:3RR. --hippo43 (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between citizenship and nationality is that you can become a citizen of a country, while nationality is something you are born with. Messi has taken Spanish citizenship, including a Spanish passport, so that he does not count towards Barcelona's non-EU players quota, but he is not Spanish. Rossi, however, was born in the USA to Italian parents. By the laws of the USA, he is an American with Italian parentage (i.e. an Italian American). He even lived in the USA until he was signed by Parma in 2000. I don't know if he has an Italian passport (I would assume that he does), and his sporting nationality is, indeed, Italian. We should therefore give the two nationalities equal weight. – PeeJay 19:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: No one is denying that he is Italian; the article now merely explains that he is also American by birth. This is not a difficult thing to understand. – PeeJay 09:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've asked the blocking admin to review Tesaux's continual edit warring here, along with some semiprotection to deal with the IPs. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Dropping another note with the blocking admin to deal with this one as well. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's an SSP on him. I'll wait till it's confirmed or not. If he's not a sock and 3RR violations aren't an issue, then I suggest DR. Xavexgoem (talk) 23:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Confirmed sock; Blocci is puppetmaster, blocked for 55 hours. If he continues, moving up to a month. Xavexgoem (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia admin intervention

message: Giuseppe Rossi has now been confirmed as and AC Milan player the player moved for an undisclosed feeand will be unveiled tomorrow  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timipre (talk • contribs) 18:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This has not been confirmed yet, so I'm glad you posted it here before adding it to the article. Anyway, until there is an official announcement from Milan, you shouldn't change the page. – PeeJay 18:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC Milan 

message: delete "Should have stayed with the U.S., buddy."
Cshawnb (talk) 15:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Cshawnb, 2 June 2010 

message: The article states that Rossi hasn't played for Gli Azzurri for at least 3 years. The lead made him sound like, perhaps, a recent call-up. That's been changed. Tapered (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an Azzurri 

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message: It seems that, at least for Wikipedia, Giuseppe Rossi is the only soccer player in the entire world with no nationality at all. I tried to add his nationality and I was promptly reverted for the following reason: "his nationality is sufficiently convoluted that there's no need to mention it immediately, we can just say he was born in the US and plays for Italy". "Convoluted". "No need to mention it". Rossi is Italian-American there's no "convolution" on that. That's a simple fact that can be checked on several sources. Also, "no need to mention it". Well, we can't assume that the reader knows who Rossi is. Just because most of us know his history, doesn't mean that everyone searching for him on WP will know it. What's the problem in writing that he's Italian-American? Please, somebody, give me a decent answer, please. Regards.--SirEdimon (talk) 17:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is assuming that the reader knows who Rossi is. This is standard policy on Wikipedia and applies to a lot of footballers who have complicated histories when it comes to their national allegiance. Just look at Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Axel Tuanzebe or Wilfried Zaha. Don't get your panties in a bunch over this, it's perfectly normal. – PeeJay 18:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is the complication in Rossi's nationality? He's an Italian-American. What is so complicated about it?--SirEdimon (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Italian-American" is not a nationality and means nothing in the context of his career. He was born in the United States and plays football internationally for Italy, that's all that needs to be said. – PeeJay 19:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "Italian-American" is a nationality, just like "Mexican-American", for example, which is used in several soccer player articles here on this Wikipedia. He was born with both nationalities and decided to play for Italy NT. Also, you said, "that's all that needs to be said". Who decide it? You? I didn't know that you owned the entire Wikipedia and had editorial control over articles.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, no. "Italian" is a nationality, "American" is a nationality, but "Italian-American" isn't. If there are articles using "Mexican-American" as a description of nationality, I would appreciate you letting me know which ones they are so we can correct them. If you don't like this, you can ask for further input on the matter at WT:FOOTY. – PeeJay 22:26, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Italian-American" or "Mexican-American" isn't a nationality according to who? You? Please cite ANY policy in Wikipedia stating that "Italian-American" or "Mexican-American" isn't valid nationality on this project. Plus, there are several sources calling soccer players "Mexican-American" (and other composed nationalities), for example.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no Italian-American national football team or Mexican-American national football team, so how can you claim that those are nationalities in their own right? This is ridiculous. Bring it up at WT:FOOTY if it bugs you so much. – PeeJay 06:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So according to your rationale, Catalan, Basque or even Martinican are nationalities since all of them have national teams. Several people in the world nowadays have more than one nationality you should know it better. Again, show me a Wikipedia policy stating that Mexican-American, English-American, Italian-American and etc. are not nationalities.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: His nationality is not "Convoluted". He is Italian-American or Italian and American if you don't like hyphenated nationalities. That's simple. Frenchl (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In a football context, he is no such thing. He was born in America and played for the Italy national team. That is sufficiently complex for us to follow the standards we have set for all players who played for a national team other than that of the country where they were born. Simple. – PeeJay 10:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Rossi the only soccer player in the world with no nationality.