Talk:Odinist Fellowship

message: The Odinist Fellowship stub is complete nonsense as is almost everything that is written below. 
The organisation known as the Odinic Rite is still very much in existence. 
The UK Odinist Fellowship is in no way connected to that of Else Christensen. It was founded by people who were expelled from the Odinic Rite and and then failed to set up a rival OR group. They asked Else Christensen for permission to use the name Odinist Fellowship and she flatly refused. Surely if they had been in any way connected it would have been they who took responsibility for Else Christensen's funerary arrangements and memorial. In fact this task was carried out by the Odinic Rite and at Else's request were also given responsibility for dealing with all of her affairs and her library.12
It was also the Odinic Rite which was the first polytheistic pagan organisation in the UK to be granted charity status and it is highly likely that the charity number granted to the OR is still being used by the bogus Odinist fellowship.
I would also dispute the claim that the Odinist Fellowship are the largest Odinist group in the UK. On what is this assertion based? Hengest
:WeniWidiWiki Thank you for your message and comments. Regarding the links you posted, the Kindred Folk one is legitimately using the Odinist Fellowship name and was founded by prisoners with whom Else had worked. The Odinism in West Yorkshireone is obviously referring the the UK group which uses the name.
:I am unable to find anything else of value about the UK group other than the link you already mentioned and their single web page . I think it is clear from this that the claim of being the largest UK Odinist group is unfounded, especially when compared to the information available about the Odinic Rite which the original contributor claimed had become the UK Odinist Fellowship. 
:I will get what information I can regarding the current staus of the official OF. I do know that on her retirement from activities Else Christensen asked Heimgest of the OR to take care of her affairs and that OF members were to make their own decisions as to what path they then took Details Here. Else's constant companion and right hand man, Vidarsword, became an OR member as did some others. More info asap. Hengest
I just checked the charity commision website The Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity
the number is 298688 it clearly states that the Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity. the virtue of Truth seems to be intact!!! check it for yourselves 
http://www.charity-commision.gov.uk 89.243.169.161 (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Odinist Fellowship Stub

message: I am posting this link to show that the OF's registered charity number was formerly that of the OR, a registered arity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?regno=298688&submit=Run+Search Charity Commission When Ralph Harrison (also known as Ingvar) was expelled from the OR he transferred the number to the OF. An anonymous user is trying to delete this fact. Hengest
:sheesh, so much for "Truth" and "Fidelity", or did they ditch those Virtues in the transition? dab (ᛏ) 21:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Charity Status

message: I have stated in the article that the UK group sought permission from Else Christenssen to use the OF name and that permission was denied. This is based upon information provided by two close friends of Else, Heimgest of the Odinic Rite and Vidarsword, Else's close companion until her death.Hengest
:Hengest, unless these people publicized this information somewhere, it is still hearsay. It is one thing to straighten distorted facts on Wikipedia, but another to insert information based on  private, perhaps confidential, communication: and there is also Wikipedia:Verifiability. dab (ᛏ) 21:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, will reword that. --Hengest 17:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of OF name by UK group

message: Can those monitoring this entry please be vigilant against the attempts at vandalism by Ralph Harrison, leader of the UK Odinist Fellowship. It seems he wants to brush away the past and any mention of Else Christianssen's original OF. --Hengest 17:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will try best FK0071a 16:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism by leader of UK OF group

message: If it is any help to anyone, the OF UK mailing list is to  'B.M. Edda, London WC1N 3XX' (fake Odinist Fellowship)  as discussed above about the  'BCM Runic, London, WC1N 3XX' (Real Odinic Rite)  box but it might be of interest that the EDDA PO Box is registered to  '[a place in] [confidential home address deleted], GB - who lives there? It might be of interest that this website domain is registered to 'UK Registered Charity, (Charity number: 298688)' FK0071a 16:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: why would the address be of interest? WP:V doesn't mean hunt down the personal details of people who didn't publish them on their own. dab (ᛏ) 17:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UK OF Mailing List

message: RalphHarrison doesn't make his case very eloquently by silently blanking paragraphs. However, FK0071a (and Hengest), if he would argue that he is simply removing uncited information, his edits couldn't be construed as vandalism, and it would be up to you, per Template talk:Unreferenced, to provide sources for the material you want to keep. I have no reason to doubt the material is factual, but that's still the way we play. dab (ᛏ) 09:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I equate wholesale blanking out of sections as vandalism, regardless of whether the user has a conflict of interest, is new or is trying to be "stealthy". Mr.Harrison, please cease and desist blanking out sections - if you have a valid reason for doing so (as in the UK group is non-extant at this time) then fine - but otherwise you need to explain your edits on this page. Regardless, there is no justification whatsoever for deleting the See Also section. WeniWidiWiki 06:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the need to re-add it as their are many unsourced sections within Wikipedia and they stay as their is a template for 'Unreferenced' (it should be used). I find it helpful in articles. I see this statement and think, right, I'll help try and source it. Additionally, Mr.Harrison continously blanks sections after users have repeatedly asked him not to and discuss it here. He isn't doing himself many favours. I wasn't sure before but after so many requestes and NO retorts on his part - something of a fishy smell is consuming me - he has no argument. I don't know but this is how it is now looking. Anyway, for the simple factof my first point I say this section should be readded with the 'Unreferenced' reference above it. Also, once added I think it shoul be locked and the talk page only used so clear these matter up? FK0071a 07:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes. playing advocatus Odini, so to speak, Mr. Harrison being, at that, among the living: what he removed was essentially "Harrison lied through his teeth!".  This is not proper usage of . See how far you get with "G. W. Bush lied through his teeth!!" on G. W. Bush (that is to say, don't) ;) dab (ᛏ) 18:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "vandalism"

message: Wiki Pagan, a wikia wiki, is trying to be as comprehensive as possible.  I have just saved the Heimgest article from oblivion.  Are ther ay others that wikipedia recently dumped?  Please mention on my talk page--or--better yet--edit at Wiki Pagan http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Heimgest
--Mig-17 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Heimgest article was not dumped, it was merged with the Odinic Rite article as it was never going to be more than a stub, considering that most of the info was already in the OR entry. --Hengest 20:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't mind Tsmollet, er, Blackhood, eh Mig-17 - he's got a bit of a persecution complex, but is doing what he thinks is right. - WeniWidiWiki 21:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (chuckle) -- you may want to check Heathenry which I relentlessly merged into Neopaganism some time ago :)  (but note that you have to preserve edit history when you transwiki to another database in order to comply with the GFDL!) dab (𒁳) 21:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Save Articles 

message: The American and the British organizations are completely separate and do not belong in the same article. If there is too little material on any of them to warrant an article of its own, the material should rather be merged into another article (such as Heathenry in the United States or Heathenry in the United Kingdom), instead of having two unrelated organization sharing one article, only because they have the same name. Ffranc (talk) 14:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have redirected this page as an alternative to deletion as it does not meet WP:NORG. There are not enough sources to show that it is sufficently notable. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:25, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I'll look into it and see if I can find some better sources. Might take a few days, if I find enough of substance I'll write a new version, otherwise I'll just leave it. Ffranc (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look at the sources that were already in the article and they did not meet WP:RS I also carried out a search and found nothing that would really help either on the UK or US organisations. I get that they have the same name but have nothing to do with each other in terms of affiliation but these are very obscure groups and other sources should be provided before recreating an article. Please don't hesitate to post on my talk page or WP:PING me here if you need some advice. cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a lot of material about the US organization, but it's already well covered in Else Christensen's article. Unless someone (not me) wants to write a significantly longer version, it seems meaningless to have a separate article. The UK organization is only mentioned briefly in the academic standard works I looked at, and even this is already covered in other articles. I found one more interesting source, Ethan Doyle White's "Northern Gods for Northern Folk: Racial Identity and Right-wing Ideology among Britain’s Folkish Heathens", a 33-page academic article covering three different organization, of which the UK Odinist Fellowship is one. This is probably useful, but I don't have access to it, and even with access it's still just one article. There needs to be at least two for the subject to be notable. So I'll probably stay on the lookout for more material on the UK organization, and if something good turns up in the future I might seek down the White article and put something together. Ffranc (talk) 10:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  One or two articles