Talk:Murat Kurnaz

message: This story from the Beeb . 
"German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier is liable to face calls for his resignation when he gives evidence to a German parliamentary committee next month about a German-born Turkish citizen held in the US's Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
The question he has to answer is why Germany failed to accept a US offer to release the man, Murat Kurnaz, in 2002, instead of allegedly trying to cancel his right of entry into Germany."
This should probably be covered when it starts. Hypnosadist 21:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Initially Germany wasn't allowed to give consular support because the U.S. said that only Turkey is authorized to do this for a Turkish citizen. Turkey apparently didn't care. Later Germany suggested that under those circumstances Kurnaz should be released to Turkey and not to Germany. In reaction to this the U.S. revoked their offer to release him at all, despite Germany's foreign minister's personal intervention in favor of Kurnaz' release. Later there was a discussion if he'd even legally be allowed to enter Germany because his residence permit expired due to his long stay outside of Germany. In 2005 the court decided that his residence permit is still valid because he was detained through no fault of his own and therefore unable to return to the country in time. --51.154.206.231 (talk) 19:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible release in 2002

message: Replaced transcluded image with inline image -  tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption.  Geo Swan 15:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{tl|npov}} tag as per dispute on [[Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption]] 

message: I reverted these three edits.
I thought the last two were misleading, and sailed pretty close to editorializing.
The claim the DoD found incriminating letters is (1) unreferenced; (2) at odds with what Joyce Hens Green wrote about his dossier.  Green was the judge who got to reivew his entire dossier, including the classified portion, when his habeas corpus was before her.  If this incriminating letter existed she should have known about it.  
I suggest the anon IP re-read the March 27th, 2005 Washington Post article:
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:But in nearly 100 pages of documents, now declassified by the government, U.S. military investigators and German law enforcement authorities said they had no such evidence. The Command Intelligence Task Force, the investigative arm of the U.S. Southern Command, which oversees the Guantanamo Bay facility, repeatedly suggested that it may have been a mistake to take Kurnaz off a bus of Islamic missionaries traveling through Pakistan in October 2001.
:"CITF has no definite link/evidence of detainee having an association with Al Qaida or making any specific threat against the U.S.," one document says. "CITF is not aware of evidence that Kurnaz was or is a member of Al Quaeda." 
:In recently declassified portions of her January ruling, Green wrote that the panel's decision appeared to be based on a single document, labeled "R-19." She said she found that to be one of the most troubling military abuses of due process among the many cases of Guantanamo detainees that she has reviewed.
:The R-19 memo, she wrote, "fails to provide significant details to support its conclusory allegations, does not reveal the sources for its information and is contradicted by other evidence in the record." Green reviewed all the classified and unclassified evidence in the case.
Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I reverted this... 

message: His Guantanamo Bay file showed up today on wikileaks, under the name "Murat Karnaz". --91.32.72.83 (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikileaks release today 

message: On June 24 2011 an IP contributor added a  tag to this article.
When instantiated that tag tells contributors "Discussion of this nomination can be found on the talk page."
However no one made any attempt to initiate this discussion.  If no one initiates that discussion in a reasonable period of time I suggest this tag be removed.  Geo Swan (talk) 04:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  responsible use of tags 

message: I removed the section of the article that claimed US government officials have accused Tablighi Jamat of recruiting members for Al Qaida.
The reference that was used was a NYT article; which blatantly conflicts with Stratfor's report (Stratfor is the world's biggest global intelligence company and interacts with governments from all over the world) on Tablighi Jamat, which can be found here.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/tablighi_jamaat_indirect_line_terrorism
There is a *huge* difference between a group actively recruiting members for Al Qaida and a group having "links" to recruiting members for Al Qaida. Many mosques in the United States have "links" to recruiting members for Al Qaida - there is no sense in painting every worshiper at these mosques as having been tainted by the worshiper who ended up joining Al Qaida - it's a completely spurious relationship.
If this guy was inspired by The Communist Manifesto, The Communist Manifesto would probably be tainted by it.
On the other hand, if he was inspired by a book written by Ayn Rand, such a fact would not be discussed in the public sphere, seeing as how it seems to be irrelevant for the picture we're trying to paint him as.
Wikipedia is supposed to be objective - let's please keep it that way; thanks! :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.84.108 (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tablighi Jamat 

message: Murat Kurnaz was interrogated esp. by Gail Holford, as written in Kurnaz book Five years of my life.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.154.249 (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gail Holford 

message: Some of the lede needs to be moved down into a biography section, and that biography needs to precede the after-the-fact legal conundrums. I will attend to a revision later this week.ElijahBosley (talk ☞)  13:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, done. A lot of revisions, a lot of added material. Some typos remain and footnotes, particularly legacy date reference errors, need cleaning up. ElijahBosley (talk ☞)  18:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization needed 

message: I am concerned that this article relies too much only on Kurnaz' accounts. Wikipedia is not supposed to be based on primary sources, such as his own memoir and his OpEd piece, as compelling as they are. The US practices of extraordinary rendition, abuse and interrogation of prisoners at Guantanamo, and events there have been documented by other sources. The claimed suicides were debated in the press and there have been investigative accounts that could have been drawn from, rather than simply having Kurnaz' account. The "suicides" were documented on particular dates, and that basic information at least should be added here.Parkwells (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added other reports and disputes about suicides at GTMO.Parkwells (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs content from secondary sources

message: Mohamedou Ould Slahi, a Mauritanian detainee, also has published a memoir about his time at Guantanamo. Editors should consider his article in terms of how to approach this content here. I think there are too many details - as the treatment of Kurnaz was not unique. Perhaps more can be summarized.Parkwells (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Question of detail

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