Talk:NeXTSTEP

message: I'll copy this message here (paraphrased). Could someone provide some concrete evidence for the claim that Mach is POE-ized (that is, has the servers in the kernel)? It's not that I don't believe that Mach in NeXTSTEP is not a microkernel, I'd just like to see something written down. I do have NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP, so if someone could provide me with some sort of way of verifying that the Mach kernel is POE-ized, that would be useful. Thanks Dysprosia 07:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have NeXTStep/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody, run 'strings' on the kernel (/mach_kernel) or look at it in a hex editor and you wil find references to things like filesystems, networking, and Unix system calls, which would make it a hybrid kernel. Also, if you run 'nm' on the kernel, you will find symbols for Unix system calls. 207.153.26.108 09:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mach itself was a microkernel design, however NeXT had to modify it for performance reasons. Bear in mind the initial NeXT machines were sporting 25 MHz processors, so performance optimisation was critical. Keeping Mach as a pure microkernel, with the device drivers implemented outside in user space and passing messages back and forth to communicate with the kernel, real world performance would have been too slow for practical usage. For this reason, NeXT's implementation integrated the performance-critical drivers and system calls into the kernel itself, making it a hybrid variant of Mach. 86.135.12.137 (talk) 02:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kernel type 

message: the Next gui is alive, now its name is [Window maker]
:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 10:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  window maker 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support as less ambiguaous, but it's still ambiguous (wasn't there a TV show?) so maybe NeXT operating system would be better. Ewlyahoocom 11:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  NeXT technically produced two operating systems, the other being OPENSTEP. Dysprosia 12:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not unless you consider NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP as being two versions of the same operating system, as OpenStep seems to do: "they released an OpenStep compliant version of their flagship operating system NeXTSTEP (...) and rebranded it OPENSTEP". Qwertyus 01:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They clearly have different names. "NeXT operating system" doesn't describe either. Dysprosia 06:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: The end of this article states 
:The first web browser, WorldWideWeb, was developed on the NeXTSTEP platform. Some features and keyboard shortcuts now commonly found in web browsers can be traced to originally being native features of NeXTSTEP, which other web browsers for other operating systems later reimplemented as features of the browser itself.
As soon as I read that, I wondered what features those might be?  Ctrl-D for making bookmarks, perhaps?  (I'm just speculating because I've always wondered.)  Anyways, if anyone has read about this somewhere or remembers using the NeXTSTEP browser and is aware of some specifics, I think it'd be really nice to read about them. Itsameanick 09:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It reads like something that has been passed down and passed down etc. The problem is that, even if e.g. Ctrl-D originated as a shortcut in Nextstep, how can it be proved that subsequent browsers copied this, rather than coming up with the same formulation independently? I dislike the passiveness of "can be traced". -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 10:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested addition of specific web browser shortcuts/features 

message: What are the names of the people involved? - Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the look of the image on the right, Lee Boynton, Jean-Marie Hullot, Bertrand Serlet, and Keith Ohlfs; I know for a fact that Avie Tevanian was involved as well (he was also working at NeXT). Dysprosia 01:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lee, Jean-Marie, Bertrand and Keith are the folks who created Workspace Manager, which is the file management application on NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP (the equivalent to the Finder on a Mac or Windows Explorer on Windows). They have contributed to other parts of the system as well, however if you're asking about the whole OS in its entirety, dozens of other engineers have been involved in creating it. Avie was certainly involved in implementing the kernel as well as other parts of the system, but there were many other contributors.86.135.12.137 (talk) 02:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who developed it? 

message: The article shows that "On February 4, 1997 Apple Computer acquired NeXT for $427 million", but on Steve Jobs article it says that In "1996, Apple bought NeXT for $402 million"... I guess at least one of them is wrong.
193.136.128.14 13:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NeXT bought for how much? And when? 

message: What's up with the 'Notes' section? It's got all the Wikipedia guidelines printed. Can we delete this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.165.204.55 (talk • contribs) 06:48, Jul 7, 2006 (UTC)
: Notes are for footnotes cited in the article. – Mipadi 13:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes 

message: Beneath the table in "Versions", which goes up to the 4.0 beta, it says "Versions up to 4.2 were published, the last version 4.2 after purchase of NeXT by Apple". What does this mean? OPENSTEP? If so, be explicit. I know very little about this subject, and can't work it out. 86.132.137.5 (talk) 01:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: NEXTSTEP 3.3 and OPENSTEP 4.2 are not the same. OPENSTEP is a descendent that came after NEXTSTEP and brought new frameworks and capabilities. Most differences are in the APIs and frameworks, so apply mostly to programmers. From a user's perspective, the two look similar but OPENSTEP can run OPENSTEP apps and it's also backwards compatible with NEXTSTEP, in other words you can run NEXTSTEP apps on an OPENSTEP system without modification. The opposite is not the case, so you couldn't run an app designed and compiled for OPENSTEP under a NEXTSTEP system.86.135.12.137 (talk) 02:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear 

message: Persistently moving this article based on someone's view of what is the correct capitalization of the system is somewhat pointless. Can we settle on one and be done with it? -- Switchfoot (talk) 22:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'd vote for any capitalization that there is evidence to suggest was actually used by NeXT... ie. pretty much anything except the current "Nextstep" :-). Letdorf (talk) 00:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Just to follow myself up, I know WP:MOSTM says we should ignore wacky capitalization in trademarks, but I think this guideline is worth taking issue with. Nobody seems to have objected to the title of the article about NeXT (an FA-Class article, no less) and deliberately referring to NeXT as "Next" would just seem willfully wrong. Letdorf (talk) 10:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MOSTM doesn't actually appear to say such a thing, at least not to me: it says that CamelCase in trademarked names is a "judgment call."  I agree that NeXTstep seems more appropriate and propose moving the article there, though I think I agree with  that just about anything that was actually used by NeXT Inc. at some time would be fine. Tim Pierce (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on capitalization of name (NEXTSTEP? NeXTSTEP? NeXTStep?) 

message: Is there is still copyrighted code originally produced by AT&T in Nextstep?  What sort of license was obtained from AT&T, and are royalties still paid to Novell or SCO? -- Beland (talk) 14:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The UNIX code came from the Berkeley Software Distribution of UNIX and hence, was brought into NeXTSTEP under sundry free BSD licenses. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright license 

message: I propose that we re-classify this article under 'OS family: Multics' in the info box, for the reason that Unix is based on Multics. MFNickster (talk) 03:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Discuss this on Talk:Mac OS X. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multics family 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support — per WP:MOSTM 「 ɠu¹ɖяy 」¤ • ¢  22:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: There seems to be no consensus at all as to whether NeXTstep, NeXTSTEP, or NEXTSTEP is correct, as NeXT itself was never consistant, so why don't we just vote on the damn thing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.99.216.248 (talk) 05:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: NeXTStep was never owned by Apple and was never available on the Macintosh platform, only in a demonstrational „quick'n'dirty” hacked version that never was sold to Apple nor used on the m68k hardware.  NeXT was founded by a co-founder of Apple, that much is correct.  But NeXT and Apple went completely seperate ways.  NeXT was a manufacturer of i386/i486 IBM-Clone PCs, eg. the NEXTCube (the most famous computer by them).  Please correct this.
85.177.100.84 (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much everything you just said is obviously absolutely false, sorry. Apple bought the whole company, and the NeXTCube is not an IBM clone. Thus, you've misapprehended the concept of "succeeded by". — Smuckola(talk) 12:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  fatal non-knowledge error in description pane: „succeeded by OS X, iOS” is absolutely wrong

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