Talk:Albert Sidney Johnston

message: It's Albert Sydney JOHNSTON. He was Secretary of War for the Republic of Texas. He also led a US Army expedition to Salt Lake City to confront the Mormons.
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He is my great-great-great granduncle.  His wife was a Luxich.  He was wounded not killed at Shiloh and died later.
He is my great-great-great-great grandfather. Wow so we're related. email me at happyface92@sbcglobal.net
I am a direct descendant of his as well. He is some nth great grandfather of mine. My mother's maiden name is Johnston and is part of the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR). To be a member of the DAR you have to prove through extensive research of your ancestry that you are in fact a DAR. When we did this research we are actually able to draw a direct relation for General Johnston to Lord Baltimore, the founder of the Maryland Colony. Oddly enough, General Albert Johnston is not the first General Johnston.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSonicFlow (talk • contribs) 07:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: I am in possession of the Civil War diary of C.R. Allen, Company A, Second Regiment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry.  He was at the Battle of Shiloh and was one of the 15 or 20 soldiers who were sent to find Lew Wallace and direct him to the battlefield.
I have transcribed his diary.  The words, spelling and punctuation are Allen's.  Anything that is italicized and in [ ] are my words.
Apr 7th 1862 – Monday – Shiloh
While the South seems well supplied the Rebel Gen’ls Forrest and [then Capt. John]
Morgan were dashing between the two lines.  We beg our commanders to lead us to the front but it seems the Gen’ls were afraid that the Rebs had an ambush prepared for us.  I believe had we been allowed to charge the already demoralized Rebel army would have been completely routed.  We saw signs enough that the Confederates were in a bad plight and only needed pushing to have caused them to throw down their arms and many of them to surrender.  While we were following their retreating lines, I opened a large wall tent and there lay a tall handsome dead Rebel, a Gen’l I was satisfied.  I asked a wounded Confederate who it was.  He said “Maj. Gen’l Sidney Johnston”.  I had heard he was in command of the Rebel army on Sunday.  I called to the Lieut. in command of our skirmish line.  He came up and soon placed a guard over the tent.  Well we now had the saddest part of all to do.  Look up friends and bury the dead.  I went as soon as we got back to our camp that night to a different Reg’t that my old schoolmates belonged to 52nd Ill, 46th Ill, 12th Ill &c.  Captain Guy Ward of the 12th was killed.  Saw R.F. Chandler of 52nd.  He was all right but found that John Baird had lost a leg but was still alive.  Rained all night which made it terrible for the wounded. 
 --RussianBlueLvr (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting description. You posted this here for a reason I assume, so what is it? Would you like to include any of this? Does the April 7th date concern you? The way the battle or his death is worded? Johnston's rank perhaps; it says he was a major general, though he was a full general in the CSA, but the yanks might not have known that. Just wondering why you wanted this here. Kresock (talk) 05:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The death of Albert Sidney Johnston

message: User Wrad pointed on out the Talk Page of the Utah War article that the photograph of General Johnston in this article was fabricated, probably using Photoshop or a similar program.  It is General Johnston's head pasted on the body of another officer, a copy of which can be seen here.  Anyone have any good ideas for a remedy? --AzureCitizen (talk) 16:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it is not conclusive that this was fabricated (the uniform details do not match the Sibley photograph exactly), I have replaced the image at the Commons with one that has documented source information. Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Fabricated photograph

message: The oral claim was made a United States National Park Service guide in CSPAN American History program on the Battle of Shiloh that Johnston was the highest-ranking American general to die in battle in any war.  I spent a little time looking for verification and the best I could find at the moment is some discussion forums on this.  Someone else might be able to find a RS for it. patsw (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikipedia page on Lesley J. McNair states that the highest ranking U.S. generals to die in battle in World War II were lieutenant generals, McNair, Frank Maxwell Andrews, Simon Bolivar Buckner, Jr. and Millard Harmon. McNair was killed by friendly fire. McNair and Buckner were promoted to full general posthumously - in 1954. As I recall, no full American generals were killed in battle in any other war in which the United States has been involved, although my recollection obviously has no citation value. It is an interesting point, perhaps worth including if a good citation can be found. Donner60 (talk) 08:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The highest-ranking American general to die in battle in any war. 

message: Is there a particular reason that not only this unassailable and widely-available fact is not only excluded from this article, but even the words "slave" and "slavery" are banished from an article about a slave-owning general of an army which (ostensibly) fought for the sake of keeping slavery? What the actual fuck???
* http://www.militarymuseum.org/Johnston.html (probably not up to snuff as a WP ref, but a starting point to be sure)
Can you point to any specific edits where these terms were removed?  Otherwise, maybe calm down and realize that wikipedia articles aren't always complete or comprehensive. User2635 (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Johnston: Slave Owner 

message: I see the lead photo is dated as "1860-1862". If that's a Confederate uniform (& pardon my ignorance for not being sure) then it cannot be earlier than May 6, 1861 when he resigned his U.S. Army commission. If it is a U.S. Army uniform, it cannot be later than that date. (This came up because I was working on categories, etc. for :File:General Albert Sidney Johnston, carte-de-visite photograph, circa 1860-1867 (PORTRAITS 2260).jpg, the same photo as a carte-de-visite.) - Jmabel | Talk 06:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, The original glass plate negative is at the Library of Congress here. Mojoworker (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the Library of Congress has some writing at the top which says "Maj. Genl A. S. Johnston". According to Battles and Leaders of the Civil War, "Mr. Lincoln's Administration treated General Johnston with a distrust which wounded his pride to the quick, but afterward made such amends as it could, by sending him a major-general's commission." That would place the photograph sometime between Lincoln's inauguration on March 4, 1861 and May 6, 1861. Mojoworker (talk) 06:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Based on the above, I edited the caption to state c. 1861. "April" could probably be added if you think it makes sense. Mojoworker (talk) 06:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Is that a U.S. uniform or Confederate? - Jmabel | Talk 16:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a U.S. Army uniform though of course many Confederates wore those in the early days (and of course he had been a U.S. Army officer). I should note however that this is not a genuine photography as parts like the uniform are drawn. Those collages were very common and in relation to civil war officers there are countless drawn with uniforms or ranks they never wore, also collages that put the heads on a different body (be it drawn or photographed) were made. Johnston for example never hold a rank with a two-star insignia (except in the Texian Army in the 1830s). ...GELongstreet (talk) 20:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  wouldn't his major-general's commission mentioned above have been a two-star rank? Mojoworker (talk) 22:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Such a promotion, even if really having been offered, was never enacted on. The general orders of the war department of 1861 include Johnston having resigned with the rank of Colonel. Also it would need both Johnston's acceptance of it and, in the end, confirmation by the U.S. Congress. As said before those picture collages took lots of liberties in various ways. And picture descriptions of that period are likewise notoriously error-prone when it comes to details. ...GELongstreet (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead photo date