Talk:Clydesdale horse

message: Hello. I've translated this article into french and soon there will be a featured article review. There's some english sources online don't use here, I put them here, it can be useful ;)
*(en) Margaret Elsinor Derry, Horses in Society: A Story of Animal Breeding and Marketing, 1800-1920, University of Toronto Press,‎ 2006, 302 p. ( et 9780802091123) (online read : http://books.google.fr/books?id=JuJbzVzon44C ). An "universitary" (don't know if it's the name ?) book. 
*Emmanuelle Hubrecht (dir.), « Le clydesdale », in Les plus beaux chevaux du monde, Éditions Atlas, coll. « Atlas nature »,‎ 3 may 2005 () - one of my books in french. Seems to be good quality. 
*Laure Marandet, « Clydesdale, le gentil géant », Cheval magazine, no 460,‎ novembre 2010, p. 50-53 : a press article - in french again. Very interesting. It say that, around the world, the Clydesdale embodies the "American gigantism". Another interesting book : The Fox aired a clip after the attacks of Sept. 11, showing two Clydesdales in snow. It represents the biggest audience of the year 2001, 50 million people affected (source : (en) Steven M. Chermak, Frankie Y. Bailey, Michelle Brown, Media Representations of September 11, Greenwood Publishing Group,‎ 2003 ( et 9780275980443, p. 47 )
I don't try to put these information in the main article, you have bizarre formating ;) Thanks to the contributors of this page... I learned a lot of things. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 08:43, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, a fun thing : the name Clydesdale is juste horrible to pronounce for a French (it's almost impossible for me). It would be very interesting if someone knows about phonetic alphabet to transcribe it like that. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 08:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello again! It's awesome that the article may become a featured article in French - our work together has had benefits for both language 'pedias! Thank you for listing the sources above - this is definitely one of the articles on my list to come back to and get up to featured status, one of these days. The above should definitely help. There is at least one book on the Clydesdale that I'm going to need to get through inter-library loan before I can make the article truly comprehensive though, which is what I've been putting off. As for the name, it's interesting to me that it would be a hard one to pronounce. I guess I have the same trouble with "Boulonnais", though :) Dana boomer (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks to you - perhaps we could work together on a passage at featured article on the two 'pedias ? It could be a good way to verify interpretations of english books ! I try :) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Tsaag, does IPA phonetic stuff work for you?  If so, try:" klaɪdz-deɪl " ("Klidez-dale"?) Montanabw(talk) 21:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks. The article linked below written "claïdz-dèle". Probably = klaɪdzdeɪl ! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 00:19, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Two syllables only, CLYDES-dale, emphasis on first syllable, ending with the "l" sound: the "y" pronounced like "eye" ( rhyming "Clyde" with slide, ride, tied, died, glide, etc...) the "a" is what we English speakers call a "long a" --- "dale" rhymes with pale, snail, tail, quail, mail.... etc. The "s" could be either pronounced  "sss" or "zzz" depending on regional dialect.  Montanabw(talk) 09:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

text: This is all very cool stuff! I'm not going to have access to the library for the next couple of weeks, but I'll move this article to the top of my priority list, and try to get the main book I need from the library in early February. The stuff here I will try to add more quickly - we might be able to get the "horrible scientific things" (that made me laugh, since it's the same way I think of them!) through the Reference Desk here. I'll give it a shot in the morning. It's getting late here, so I'm going to go watch TV for a while and head to bed. Night ya'll. Dana boomer (talk) 02:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think that 9/11 one was a Budweiser tribute/commercial.  See Budweiser Clydesdales and the external links to the actual ads.  Montanabw(talk) 21:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've ever seen this word, "scratches", but I don't understood what it means. Better now. But always an horrible scientific thing ;) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't read either one without paying money.  But we have people here who can probably get us full text of both.  Dana?  Montanabw(talk) 21:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation in french 

message: The popularity of this horse in the United States owes much to the internet culture, the television , and the Super Bowl. The commercials (don't know the english for "publicité" ?) of Budweiser regularly show Clydesdales in the scene. Jake the horse, which measures more than two meters for over a ton, made ​​representations noticed in the United States (ref = Marandet, Laure, « Clydesdale, le gentil géant » [Clydesdale, the gentle giant] in Cheval magazine, n°460,‎ november 2010, p. 50-53). This breed embodies the "American gigantism" (ref=Marandet, Laure (again)) . The Fox Broadcasting Company aired (?) a clip (?) following the September 11, showing (among other things) two Clydesdales in snow. It represents the biggest audience of the year 2001, 50 million households affected (Chermak, Steven M.; Bailey, Frankie Y. ; Brown, Michelle, Media Representations of September 11, Greenwood Publishing Group, 2003, 0275980448 , 9780275980443, p. 47, online read http://books.google.fr/books?id=Y2QtZUuyNLkC&pg=PA47.
::Actually, I think that 9/11 one was a Budweiser tribute/commercial.  See Budweiser Clydesdales and the external links to the actual ads.  Montanabw(talk) 21:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural popularity of Clydesdales - translation from fr, need probably a good review, thanks 

message: The white feathers of the Clydesdales, although aesthetic, are not always popular because they can be the seat of a recurrent eczema (Emmanuelle Hubrecht (dir.), « Le clydesdale », in Les plus beaux chevaux du monde, Éditions Atlas, coll. « Atlas nature »,‎ 3 mai 2005 (), p. 131). They are the result of a fad, British farmers have favorised this feature and the first Clydesdales imported into Canada had abundant feathers. In the United States, at the time import of race (until the 1930s), feathers are not appreciated because they are considered rude, dirty, likely to tear, attract dirt, and cause irritation or swelling of the members ( Margaret Elsinor Derry, Horses in Society: A Story of Animal Breeding and Marketing, 1800-1920, University of Toronto Press,‎ 2006, 302 p. ( et 9780802091123) p. 68, online read : http://books.google.fr/books?id=JuJbzVzon44C). An Edinburgh veterinary and an author of the Gazette breeders abound in this sense, up to describe the presence of feathers a "curse" for the breed. In contrast, traditional breeders believe that abundant feathers are indicative of a good framing members and enhance the size and weight of their horses. This feature is now very popular for horse parades and shows (Margaret Elsinor Derry, p. 69)
Ha ha!  Try the "horrible scientific things: this is Pastern dermatitis, also called "scratches" in English.  (and hmmm, we have no article on this. ) Definitely a problem in wet areas, but also true for other breeds.  Montanabw(talk) 21:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've ever seen this word, "scratches", but I don't understood what it means. Better now. But always an horrible scientific thing ;) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things about the "feathers" 

message: *http://europepmc.org/abstract/AGR/IND20594782/reload=0;jsessionid=lS176Nh3NfOssGnPBTuS.2 (If you find an online read. I don't find.) 
*http://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-0806(01)70153-0/abstract (perhaps some scientifics wikipedians can read this freely ?) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't read either one without paying money.  But we have people here who can probably get us full text of both.  Dana?  Montanabw(talk) 21:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horrible scientific things 

message: "Mom.me" is not a RS for horse articles, nor are blogs.  Montanabw(talk) 00:22, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: i'm thinking of trying to do something about this page – adding a good number of solid references and copy-editing based on what they say. If I do so I'll change the current mishmash of references to one consistent list-defined system. Unless anyone has any objection, I'll probably do this in a day or two. If anyone does object I will of course leave the page alone. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference format 

message: I'm not sure why you reverted my updated citations formatted with :Template:Cite book to change them back into an older version and older format, removing some information I had added including some page numbers, links to Open Library, author links, updated ISBNs, etc. A few weeks ago I had checked every last one of those references either through a copy available at Open Library, google books, or from an actual paper book I had in my possession from the library. Specifically, I had checked Dutson, Edwards, Edwards2, and Rousseau. The ISBNs matched the version of the book I was using to check for page numbers.
The change you made reverted my verified citations while re-introducing some of the older errors I had corrected (my edits: here, here, here, and here). The links to Open Library were valid on the day I made those edits. Some don't appear to be available today through OL, and I have no idea why not; I have seen that behavior with Open Library in the past... the "borrow" button disappearing.
I have changed them back. Please don't change citations from :Template:Cite book format to a more basic citation format (WP:CITEFOOT), especially if you are removing page numbers or changing vital things like ISBN (which indicates the version the page numbers were taken from).    ▶ I am Grorp ◀  07:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations