Talk:Jean-Baptiste Lully

message: There's a subtle difference regarding Lully's death between this and the french version. I'm of course not able to tell which version is right or not, but the french one do have a reference: "↑ The New Grove French Baroque Masters (1986) W. W. Norton & Company, page 16."
On the french page, it's stated that "despite of the amputation, the gangrene took over and reached his brain", whereas here it's said he refused to be amputated (leading to think it was somehow his fault if he died...)
Another detail: it's precised it was a "rehearsal for a Te Deum he was supposed to play" (it's not clear wether he actually played it or not in the end)
And yet another precision: "N'arrivant pas à obtenir ce qu'il voulait des musiciens, Lully, d'un tempérament explosif, s'emporta et se frappa violemment un orteil avec..." -> here's a rough translation attempt: "As he couldn't get what he expected out of his musicians/performers, Lully who had an explosive temperament got on his nerves/got irritated and struck his toe violently with..." (a baton)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.169.40.187 (talk) 22:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences with french version

message: I think the audio files at the bottom of the page have been given the wrong names. I don't know Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme so I won't edit the names in case I get it wrong, but I know for sure that a Bouree is not in 3-time and I think that one is called "Canarie" when the next file is called "Gaillarde Canarie". Are they in the wrong order, or is it just me? --Ehm1883 (talk) 23:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme audio files 

message: I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles.  This article is B-class;  I found the musicology section to be disappointing.  My full review is on the comments page; questions or comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 16:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Composer project review

message: I can't see anything in the article content that would explain its inclusion in those categories, except one (unsourced as far as I can tell) passing mention of "Lully's dissolute life and homosexual encounters". I added a source request, but if that statement is removed, the categories should be removed as well unless there's another reason to keep them. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Source provided, you can disregard the above. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT/Bisexual categories? 

message: Hi I was listening to some of the listening examples and I suspect that some of the tracks maybe listed in the wrong order. The Canaries for example sounds suspiciously like a Gavotte. Maybe someone could check these out? - Random Wikiuser  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.62.177.58 (talk) 03:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listening Examples 

message: I do have a source of the Bisexual Encounter. In the movie Le Roi Danse, one of the scenes was in a brothell, which lead to Lully's expirience of a murdered valet laying on him. In the backround outside, a cardinal (or a spy) witnessed the event, and telling the king Louis XIV of the evidence (Suggesting the displeasure and not appearing at the first performance of Armide). I don't know where the producer got his results, but it is the best I can think of.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:b6c0:31c:8d96:e5b0:3b25:c943 (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisexual Answers 

message: Was the king really revolted by Lully's homosexual encounters themselves, since he (the king) was tolerant to the fact that his own brother was known homosexual?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.17.28.124 (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  King's Revolt 

message: He did not die while conducting. He died as a result of an accident that happened while conducting. A bit different, I think. Double sharp (talk) 05:54, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The head text for the category says: "This category is for musical conductors who died while conducting. As with Category:Musicians who died on stage, it should not be interpreted over-literally. It can include conductors who left or were taken from the podium after becoming ill, and died shortly afterwards, either backstage or in a hospital. It can also include those who died backstage during a scheduled interval (e.g. between acts of an opera)." So it would depend on what is meant by "shortly afterward", as the entry doesn't say how long he took to die following his injury. Also, Kirill Kondrashin is also in that category, and his death is written up as: "Kondrashin died in Amsterdam from a heart attack in early 1981, on the same day he conducted Mahler's First Symphony with the North German Radio Symphony Orchestra." which implies he didn't have that heart attack during the performance. Altogether, I'm inclined to leave the category as is. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 16:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The German article says that the accident happened on 8 January 1687, and he died on 22 March the same year. So it took two and a half months – surely not "shortly afterward". Double sharp (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

text:  The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Double sharp (talk) 16:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Conductors (music) who died while conducting 

message: Anyone has a copy of that book? seems like a good place, IIRC, to find the ref. requested in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jean-Baptiste_Lully&diff=691771448&oldid=688525876 The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Story of A" by Bruce Haynes 

message: Substituted at 19:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: <<comment moved from top>>
There are a lot of differences with the French version which seems more precise, for instance the detail of Lully being sent to the kitchen by Mademoiselle for being ugly, which seems highly probable when you look at his pictures. Also it gives the name of his music teacher in France -- it's highly unlikely he was educated and knew music theory and how to play the violin before he came to France. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.10.128 (talk • contribs) 
:The French version is not more precise. For example there is missing information about Jacques Cordier dit Bocan who was probably his teacher. The kitchen story might be a legend. He might have pleased the kitchen staff with playing viol for receiving some delicacies in exchange. And he could already play the viol when he left Italy.----130.83.197.103 (talk) 13:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Difference with French article

message: Please see Talk:Lully#Requested move 18 January 2021. Aza24 (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation to requested move