Talk:Markazu Saqafathi Sunniyya

message: There are lots of adjectives, but no explanation of what it actually is, or will be. Arjayay (talk) 09:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. I've now tagged this with a POV tag, since it seems this article's main purpose is to talk up the subject without explaining much of what it is. Note that a recent major contributor has now been blocked for socking and has created a plethora of articles connected to Markaz. ~ RobTalk 15:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Markaz Knowledge City 

message: The content needs to be trimmed per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I removed a bunch of external links per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:23, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim content 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: moved to Sunni Cultural Center, Karanthur. SSTflyer 01:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Markaz →  – WP:PRECISE, as this is the institution's official name . It's also not the primary topic for "Markaz": although it currently receives almost twice as many page views as the next candidate Markaz (country subdivision) , it's hardly known under this short name outside of Kerala, India, and it doesn't show up anywhere in the first couple of pages of google results. Uanfala (talk) 10:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

text: , this is indeed a very non-standard transliteration and it gave me a bit of head-scratching, but it appears to be the one the institution is using on its logo (visible on its website: ). The full name given there is Jamia Markazu Ssaquafathi Ssunniyya. Uanfala (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hello! Yes I see that.  Wikipedia "prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)" rather than an official name, see WP:COMMONNAME, but of course this is subjective assessment.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:54, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

text:  Why the current article doesn't meet the criteria at WP:PTOPIC has already been explained (albeit briefly) in the nomination and in 's comments. I'm not sure I understand how . Of course some views are a result of incoming links and some are from people searching for "Markaz". I don't know of a way to disentangle these two, but it's still sensible to use the total number as a proxy for the latter. Uanfala (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
I think it has been established that the current article isn't the primary topic for Markaz and I take it as fairly uncontroversial that Markaz (disambiguation) should be moved to . If anyone has any objections, they're welcome to raise them at Talk:Markaz (disambiguation)#Requested move 20 June 2016. Uanfala (talk) 05:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 4 June 2016 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

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message: Markaz has been mentioned as a national university, while there is no any citations mentioning same.--Irshadpp (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In the article, the Markaz was mentioned not as a national university but a national Islamic university as per sources. Beware your words and requesting you to stop vandalism. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 14:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  University 

message: Until 8 February 2020, there was a sentence as follows:
:It has roughly 20,000 students studying under faculty of Islamic studies, Arts, Science, and Theology.
On 8 February 2020, this edit was done, changing 20,000 to 43,000.
What the citation says is:
:Markaz operates more than 50 institutions and many sub-centers across the world including Orphanages, School of Qur’an, Colleges of Shari’a, Secondary and Higher Schools, Arts and Science Colleges, Engineering Colleges, Orphan Home Care, Vocational Training & Technical Institutes,  Medical and Professional institutes, Management and Finishing Schools, Masjids, Hospitals, Hostels for Girls…etc.  Currently, more than 20,000 students are direct beneficiaries and thousands of others advantage indirectly by Markaz.
: Inspired by the teachings of Holy Qur’an and Prophet Muhammed (s) Markaz provides complete free education and day today expenses of more than 5,000 students including orphans, Sharia’a & Qur’an students, Kashmir boys…etc. 
So it is clear that the figure of 43,000 is not supported by the citation.  The "more than 20,000 students" appears to refer to the "more than 50 institutions and many sub-centers across the world" operated by Markaz; i.e. not just the national Islamic university at Kozhikode.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of statements required citations from third party sources. Here available it is from own website. Irshadpp (talk) 08:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SELFSOURCE says that "self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves" subject to various criteria including that "the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim."  If the citation had clearly and unambiguously backed the claim, then I think it could have been allowed under WP:SELFSOURCE.  But the citation did not support the content.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

text: But this is a claim, that we are having 20000/43000 students. For just information, like date of starting, who was founder like this we may depend on primary sources. It is my understanding.--Irshadpp (talk) 11:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers 

message: I've located another copy-pasting violation on this article; I say "another" because this has been a recurring issue on this page going back at least eight years. Currently, the issue is with the "About Markaz" section, and the text in question has been pasted onto this article before:
:"Markaz was established in the year 1978 under the Societies Registration Act XXI of 1860. It has its headquarters in Calicut, Kerala, India and offices all over India, the Gulf countries, the Europe and America. Markaz operates more than 50 institutions and many sub-centers across the world including Orphanages, School of Qur’an, Colleges of Shari’a, Secondary and Higher Schools, Arts and Science Colleges, Engineering Colleges, Orphan Home Care, Vocational Training & Technical Institutes, Medical and Professional institutes, Management and Finishing Schools, Masjids, Hospitals, Hostels for Girls etc."
This text has been copy-pasted from two separate websites associated with the article's subject: the organization's About Us page and another page soliciting donations for the article's subject.
This copyvio text was already inserted by a now-blocked sock farmer years ago and contributed to his topic ban.
Per WP:DCV, I'll remove the content in question now and place the appropriate template on the page. That leaves one sentence in the section which seems alright (though I haven't checked it closely yet), so I'll move that sentence along with its two sources up into the lead since it refers to the number of students. I hope that the copyvio won't be repeated, though given the fact that the same general text has been repeated for so many years, I won't hold my breath on that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I just realized that the "20,000 students" line is also a copyvio from the same sources, and was also a part of User:Msoamu's consistent copyvio text pushed on this page almost verbatim. I'll be removing that as well, per the same policy. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another copy-paste violation