Talk:The Winter of Our Discontent

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Johnsteinbeck TheWinterOfOurDiscontent.jpg

message: One has to wonder at the following text in the article:  "Steinbeck clearly states he wrote the novel to address the moral degeneration of American culture in the 1960s."  In addition to the fact that the article contains no footnotes, note that the novel was copyrighted in 1961 and the action takes place at the tail end of the Eisenhower Administration.  In fact Eisenhower (as the then President) is mentioned multiple times in the book. If this quote is to be believed, Steinbeck certainly must have been champing at the bit to "address the the moral degeneration of American culture in the 1960s" since the action of the novel FINISHES just seven months into the year 1960.  Seems to me Steinbeck was addressing the 1950's rather than the '60's.  Could this quote have been simply inaccurate, or are we being treated to someone's idea of (trumped up) evidence on the part of a 'cultural warrior'? 
-William Malmstrom, Clearwater, FL  24.160.80.225 (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's set in 1960, I changed it to say it was addressing both the 1950s and the 1960s. 67.22.244.97 (talk) 00:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moral degeneration of American Culture

message: IMHO it's relevant to mention it's the opening sentence of the play. Would you agree? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - done the edit. In fact it is the first two lines... Also the original article said ...son [or sun] of York. My texts of the play both have the word as 'sun', so I have reversed the bracket. Arguably we don't need the bracket, but I think it is helpful to clarify Shakespeare's pun. brymor (talk) 20:37, 07 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of the novel's title 

message: This article is tagged as needing citations. I can provide these for the initial favourable and unfavourable criticisms of the novel, however it is impossible to provide a citation for: "Throughout the book, Steinbeck tends overtly to tell the reader what characters are thinking rather than allowing the plot and structure of the novel to reveal their thoughts." This is a very strange comment (POV?), as most of the novel is first person narrative, so what we get are the views of the narrator, not other characters, so the comment is factually wrong, and should be deleted [Done] . I also have a problem with: "so Literary critics and scholars have condemned Winter for its poorly concealed moral emphasis, citing that the novel lacks the stylistic integrity of previous Steinbeck works." This needs rewriting to accomodate the fact that Steinbeck was ahead of his time with Winter, as reflected in the change of view of critics as they caught up with the author between 1961 and now. I will get this done as soon as I track down the references. brymor (talk) 21:04, 07 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: "... early consensus found this a disappointing work." Only one contemporary review is cited and it is exceptionally favorable. I add the Nobel Prize citation (1962); downgrade "early consensus" to "most reviewers in America"; and mark that .
The source for Steinbeck's aesthetic & philosophical decline is Lisca 1965, so I call it "a few years later". That for Steinbeck's "superficial" moralism is Kasparek 1983, so I expunge that from the pattern supposedly transformed by Watergate and leave Kasparek hanging alone in chronological order.
The account no longer distorts the record we have cited but it doesn't yet work. We don't establish the pattern(s) supposedly changed by Watergate and Wall Street and reference to those events seems to be original research. --P64 (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical response early and later

message: I have added this section because the switches in the Narrative point of view in Winter are a very noticeable feature of the novel. Can anybody find a critical discussion of these switches, perhaps offering an explanation of why Steinbeck employed this technique? One possibility is that he started writing the book using Free Indirect Discourse from Ethan's POV (as in Chapters 1&2), then decided this wasn't working, and switched to first person. Obviously, I cannot include such a speculation in the article, so I have stuck to a factual description - I just wondered if anybody knows of a useful reference to expand on this topic. I have seen it mentioned, but not discussed. Brymor (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Narrative point of View