Talk:Cottage

message: I was direct here from cottage. I would say these are quite different things - a summer house is usually a small building in the garden of a larger house - The redirect should be removed.AFCR 13:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summer House

message: I was going to remove the above but I think it refers to a type of china. Is there a suitable Wiki link to point it to? AFCR 09:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chantilly's Cottage Blu?

message: Redirection from Summer House removed and a new page created.
Anosmic 21:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summer House

message: A cot is the root word of it.
A small house in the country.
"...where on the second (upstairs floor) one has to walk into the eaves in order to look through the windows." Inside looking out or outside looking in? Is this supposed to mean a dormer window? Ewlyahoocom 03:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inside looking out, and no, it doesn't refer to a dormer. In fact a dormer is designed to relieve the problem described. It is a bad description however, and using setences like "walking into the eaves" gives completely the wrong idea. I don't know if you have ever been inside a cottage, but here in Cornwall we have cottages where as much as 1/3rd of the first floor rooms are in the roof space. This effectively means that in order to walk over to the window, you would have to duck down to avoid hitting your head on the cieling which is lower nearer the wall as a result of the roof pitch. Think of it this way: if you had a dormer window, and you removed it and replaced it with a standard pitched roof, you would have a tiny window down on the floor, and you'd have to duck down to look out of it, or even get anywhere near it. However if you had a dormer you wouldn't have to duck to look out the window. ▫Bad▫harlick♠ 00:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

message: gets only one Google hit. A popular expression?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.208.10.36 (talk) 18:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'dry robusting in the cottages' 

message: "In the UK, the term cottage tends to denote a rurally- (sometimes village-) located one and a half storey property, where on the second (upstairs floor) one has to walk into the eaves in order to look through the windows" Many or most houses that people would call cottages in the UK have two stories, not 1 1/2, and no dormer windows. The essential elements of a cottage in the UK are that 1) it is in the countryside (which includes villages), 2) it is old - at least 100 years old for example, 3) it is not big enough to be a farmhouse or Hall. Here is an example of a typical cottage: http://www.tournorfolk.co.uk/winterton/wintertonproperty.jpg. Many houses that are not cottages have dormer windows.  
Some googling for images of "English cottage" suggests that the description given in the article is the American "english cottage" architectural style, which has little or no connection with what English people would call a cottage (although it does resemble Scottish cottages). Surely we should not describe the Disney version of the world as fact.  80.2.193.24 (talk) 23:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad definition of a UK cottage 

message: The word cottage does not come from Latin 'cotagium' see:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=cottage&searchmode=none
Dab14763 (talk) 07:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the term 

message: I decided that the introduction to this article was too UK-centric, and also a bit repetitive, so I've amended it accordingly. However I think some more citations would be beneficial, if they can be found. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Historically a farm labourer, known as a cottier, (or a bordar) lived in a cottage in return for providing  menial service, to the lord of the manor. Originally the cottage was actually the term for land plus dwelling, rather like a croft. The amount of land provided was laid down by statute and has varied over the centuries. In modern times the term cottage has somewhat of a different meaning. Not sure that all this can be covered by a simple dictionary definition although if the article is  just about what a cottage is today, then that could be covered by a dictionary entry.Wilfridselsey (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: UK versus global view

message: thumbnail|left|The townhouse complex that is called a "cottage complex" because term "townhouse is not known to every Russian yet. Cottage complex "Russkaya Usadba" in Yamnoye village near Voronezh city.
<BIG>Cottage is a small house</BIG>!
This, in the picture  is NOT a cottage, or stuga or hytte or what, this is a residential area, even if "townhouse" is not known to every Russian yet. <BIG>No, a cottage is a small house</BIG>.
The article is about something the Russian are calling дача (dacha) house, not what the Russian mean about the word Cottage. <BIG>Please remember that a cottage is a small house not a townhouse complex. </BIG>  The whole Russian  section  is about what people in Russia think of when they say cottage. That is etymology, not architecture. That explanatiom belongs to the Wictionary, not in this article. The townhouse complex that is called a "cottage complex" because term "townhouse is not known to every Russian yet" (Citation from the Russian section) .   
Hafspajen (talk) 17:51, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  <BIG>Cottage is a small house</BIG>  

message: The gallery was headed "Cottages" - but, it by no means shows a typical selection of cottages.  Firstly, they are all in England.  Secondly, they are all thatched.  There are many cottages in other countries - not shown in the gallery.  Many English cottages are not thatched - also not shown in the gallery.  And, one of those shown was called Wrayland Manor (at Lustleigh in Devon).  It's thatched - but it is not a cottage.  The clue is in the name - it's a manor house - so it's not an appropriate illustration for this article.  I've removed it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Oh, thanks for complicating things even more. Just see above. Hafspajen (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how that complicates things - it gives a more specific title.  As I say above, it is unclear at the moment whether the article is specifically about cottages in the UK (I assume not), or cottages more widely.  Whoever placed the images in the gallery seemed to think that the defining feature of a cottage is a thatched roof.  That is untrue.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

text: PS: This gives many more images of cottages in England - most of which are not thatched, are not "chocolate box cottages", and do not have cottage gardens.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Why do you think that "the cottage with cottage garden" is an encyclopedic topic?  We already have cottage garden, which is a type of garden typically but not necessarily associated with a small rural dwelling.  Do you mean to start a separate article on Cottages in England?  If so, that will include some "pretty" thatched cottages with gardens, but many other types of cottage as well.  It seems to me that you have a firm idea of what you believe a "typical" cottage (in England?) to be, but that view may not match the reality as it is perceived in Britain.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

text: PS: The bottom line is that there is no single word, or term, for what you perceive to be the typical English thatched cottage with a cottage garden.  Of course, those do exist, but the only encyclopedic terms I can think of that would describe them are thatched cottage or English cottage (which would also include many other types of cottage) - and I remain to be convinced that either is an encyclopedia-worthy topic.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The name thatched cottage looks like it ends up att Thatching, so that would probably include topics like:  River houses on the River Kwai. Hafspajen (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If the defining feature of a thatched cottage is its thatching, that is a logical redirect.  Some cottages are thatched, as are many other buildings.  Most cottages are not thatched.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: Hi, seems like the holidays sort of killed the dynamics here. We were about to split this article. Could someone please repeat what the last consensus was? Thanks. Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion (and recollection) is that this article should focus on the architecture, materials and historic legal standing of the cottage, as it exists in England (or Britain) - covering all sorts of cottages, including industrial cottages as well as rural thatched ones, etc..  Personally, I think that's the primary use, so it doesn't need a qualifier in the article title - but that's another issue.   The material on holiday cottages in Scandinavia, Russia, etc. - should be removed from this article, merged with the article on holiday cottages, and then that article merged with the article on vacation property, with links from this article.  And, Cottage (disambiguation) should be clarified as appropriate.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:01, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We were trying to sort out things. Do the holiday cottages, English or so, :File:Circular Cottage, Blaise Hamlet.jpg. And let this be international. Hafspajen (talk) 02:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: "The word is probably a blend of Old English cot, cote "hut" and Old French cot "hut, cottage", from Old Norse kot "hut" and related to Middle Low German kotten (cottage, hut) ."
So the word "cottage" is a blend of Old English cot and Old French cot? How do you know it's a blend when both words are identical? That doesn't make any sense. Where does the "age" part come from? How does "hut" have anything to do with it?
Anyway, the text of the article says that it's a "cottage" because it's the residence of a cotter, but this etymology seems to suggest that it comes from the same Old English word as "hut". Is "hut" also related to cotter? Is cotter a modern word, were they actually called "cots" or "huts" back then? How does Old English cot or hut relate to the cotter? Maybe it's just me but this seems confusing. 64.222.152.115 (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, those sections are a bit of a mess - confusing, and with lots of unsourced statements.  I've attempted some clarification, but more sources are clearly needed.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction