Talk:Greeks/Archive 1

message: Hmm, looking at the content, perhaps ethnic Greek should be merged into this article. --Shallot 21:18, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from Talk:Greeks before merge 

message: I'Please leave this note at the top of the page.m a bit unsure of the purpose of this page.  Is it ever going to be anything but a stub saying, essentially, "see Greece"?  -- Ortonmc 03:55, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that anything linking here would be better served by a link to one of the other "Greek" pages.  I fixed one obvious one, but there are a bunch that might go to various eras in Greek history, which I'm not well versed in.  Wouldn't it make more sense to send people to the disambiguation page, rather than "click here to go to Greece"?  I guess I have difficulty seeing any difference between modern Greek culture (which would come under "Greece") and "ethnic Greek". -- Ortonmc 05:28, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from Talk:Ethnic Greeks before merge 

message: I removed part of User:Macrakis edits on religion, as (imho) they consisted of information that belongs in the Greek Religion and the Greek Orthodoxy articles. 
:The current text claims that the ancients "believed in the Greek religion".  There are two fallacies here.  First of all, there was no one Greek religion, as the Greek religion article itself points out.  Secondly, there was not the modern sense of "believing in".  People worshipped gods.  This can be expressed without making the article any longer.  As for Greek Orthodoxy, the relevant part here is the relationship to Greek identity.  Do you claim that today Greek Jews are not considered Greek, for example?  It also needs to be clear that *some* nationalists do in fact believe that only Orthodox Christians are truly Greek.  That belongs in the Greeks article, not the religion article. --Macrakis 03:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, obviously some people still care.  But modern ethnographers do not.  As for Fallmereyer, it is amazing to me that people are still discussing such an obsolete theory.  But it is true, as you say, that they do.  What they do not discuss is the fact that most villages in the Western Peloponese had Slavic names until the Greek state changed them....  --Macrakis 03:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymous User:128.113.201.75 has been systematically replacing attempts at neutral language with Greek nationalist POV.  Instead of revert wars, could we discuss this on Talk? --Macrakis 15:33, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see if this latest attempt sticks. I even left in the omaimon-omoglosson nonsense, since it keeps coming back anyway Sysin 18:51, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion and Genetics

message: Anonymous User:128.113.201.75 continues to insert tendentious nationalist language after every paragraph of historical discussion -- without discussion on Talk, despite repeated requests.  Also, "omothriskon" is not an ancient Greek word as far as I can tell, so it is out of place.  This user refuses to engage in discussion on the Talk page on these edits, and persists in putting back the same content.  This is making it hard to make progress on this page. --Macrakis 15:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits by 128.113.201.75

message: I can't see anything on the Talk page to justify the ugly PoV template, so I've removed.  I hope that that's not tempting fate.
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By the way, I seem to remember coming across the term "linovamvaki", used in Cyprus; sometimes it was used politically (to refer to people who were neither left nor right, but sat on the fence), but I believe that its roots went back to either Greek Cypriots who had converted to Islam or Turkish Cypriots who had converted to Christianity.  Does anyone know this term?  If so, I'd be interested to know exactly what it meant. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PoV 

message: I'm not sure who wants what, so could people indicate their preferences below using three tildes?  This isn't a vote that will decide anything, just a way of getting a clear idea about which colour scheme has the most support. I've added the names about which I'm fairly sure, but if I've misunderstood, please move yourself to the right colour scheme. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 15:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to link up Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups Template here, so that it's obvious why the brown taxobox is used. --Joy [shallot] 11:22, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal poll-colors 

message: "Melbourne, Australia is the largest Greek city outside Greece according to population and is the 3rd largest Greek city in the world. There is believed to be between 300,000 to 400,000 Greeks currently living in Melbourne."
The quote above has been recently added by user 202.7.176.133 ; now, I grant there's the odd chance that the statement is true and valid, but since its such a superlative claim a verifiable source is a must. --Chinfo 07:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of claims 

message: Users Kastrioti and Matia.gr apparently disagree on the number of Greeks who have emigrated from Albania and who remain in Albania.  Instead of just editing the article, could both of you please discuss this matter here on the Talk page, with appropriate references to outside sources? --Macrakis 22:06, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just saw that - Macrakis if you need anything from me (ie clarifications, comments etc) please leave me a message at my talk page. I had reverted a newbie in other pages, who had vandalized a couple of Albania and Greek related pages - see this. Checking his other "contributions" I came here, and later User:Kastrioti did the same changes with that newbie. I had assumed that those changes were wrong, since a) the figures were here for a long time and b) the changes were the same with the anonymous newbie who had deleted stuff from other wikis. I'm afraid I cannot verify which numbers are correct, perhaps you can try google. +MATIA  ☎ 14:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Greeks in Albania

message: Macrakis has provided this article with points of view and I think that's the best way for now. Some people might disagree but it is more neutral in terms of POV. If any registration of the population (in Albania) will be done in 1-2 years, then we can make a final edit.
As for Theathenae, you can read the source yourself now. Whether you believe it or not, its your choice. As for "erasing Greeks", you should know better than "hellenizing people". When did I ever edit the districts of Gjirokastra, Saranda, or Delvina? Never. Why? Because ethnic Greeks live there. Korce+Permet+Devoll+Vlore+Kolonje = 0 Greeks. They do border Greece but that doesn't mean Greeks live there. Registrations in the last two centuries have shown it. Don't confuse religion with ethnicity (if you're not doing it on purpose). Are all southern Bulgarians Greeks? 8,241 (US Library of Congress) are but the rest are Orthodox Bulgarians. Therefore, I'm not erasing any minorities, it's you that is adding them. Unsigned by  23:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  At least it has more points of view 

message: The current article is rather rambling and unfocused. It includes a lot of detailed content which isn't really suitable for an overview article such as this. I suggest that it might be a good idea to bring it into line with other nationalities by implementing the framework of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups Template (see for instance Bulgarians and Serbs for examples of how this has been implemented).
I've made a start at this by creating Greeks/new as a working article, based on this template. Let's collaborate to expand the new article, and move content from the existing Greeks article into other articles, where necesary. -- ChrisO 23:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest that, if one is going to go to the effort of bringing this article up to a WikiProject guideline, that the only way such an improvement is going to survive very long is if one also scrupulously references everything with inline citations.  Jkelly 21:05, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to fundamentally change this article? 

message: Substituted at 20:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment