Talk:Flag of Azerbaijan

message: Due to previous discussions in reliable sources notice board , UNPO is not a reliable source . An unknown group may not be mentioned in a article about the flag of a sovereign nation . who knows does that group have that flag or that is a personal opinion of one person presented in UNPO organization as a nation ?! Besides that , if the site of UNPO is reliable , then the flag of Talysh-Mughan Autonomous Republic should also be mentioned in this article , because it is a member of UNPO and that flag is under influence of AZ.republic flag with an eight-pointed star just as the flag of republic .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Flag Talysh-Mugan Autonomous Republic is not like the flag of Azerbaijan. Flag Talysh-Mugan Autonomous Republic - a flag of self-proclaimed autonomy. This is not the same thing. How can you compare the flag of the autonomy  and the flag of the organization. Read the source website of the nations and peoples that have no representation Талех (talk) 07:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The section of "influece" was carefully sources and written. So next time you want to remove something, please discuss it first. Indeed the flag used by SANAM does not represent an independent or sovereign state. Nevertheless they use it and its influenced by the national flag of Azerbaijan. The flag is also used in the website of SANAM, see here. So thats direct evidence and this information should be mentioned in the article. The Talysh-Mughan Autonomous Republic does not apply because there are many flags with eight stars and its not influenced by the Azerbaijani flag. Or else we can add the entire list of star and crescent flags. Neftchi (talk) 07:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In brief :If UNPO is an reliable source then add the Talysh-Mughan flag to this article . If it is not reliable then delete the SANAM from it . Looking for response ....--Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And why not let the so called flag of so called SANAM remain in the list of NNPO flags?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a discussion on seperatist movements. Its about the flag of Azerbaijan. So I would appriciate it if you did not blow this issue out of proportion and stick to the subject of this article. I told you before the flag of Talysh-Mughan Autonomous Republic is not at all similar to the Azerbaijani flag. For more information see the star and crescent flags article. Neftchi (talk) 10:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

text: It is about the reliability of sources and notability in adding the section to the main article . Your answer to unreliability of UNPO was that the site of SANAM has used it and to notability was that it is influenced by republic flag . If UNPO is unreliable , and you admit it , then why you insist to mention it's point of views such as "mass rallies" and like so ? Why do you insist to give WEIGHT to an statement in an unreliable source? If we omit UNPO , where is the source referencing that section and what will prove the GAMOH or SANAM or SHAZAM are under influence of the flag of republic ? What's your idea about the notability of mentioning a groups flag alongside the flag of a sovereign nation ? Is the flag of republic in the class of an unknown group?!--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Look I didnt mention the part about mass rallies. That was a different user. So please dont confuse things. If you think UNPO is not reliable, thats fine and I can understand that, but you know very well the group SANAM uses this version of the flag. You can see it on their website, I posted it above. So that must be reflected in the article because its similar to the Azerbaijani flag. And look I didnt decide this, so dont blame me. If you must know Im from Iranian Azerbaijani heritage (from Hashtpar). So Im not a Pan-Turkist or whatsoever and I would appreciate it if you would not judge me so. All I say is we cannot ignore this different version of flag. It is used by SANAM and sometimes by Azerbaijani protesters in Iran aswell. For example look at these pictures at Babek castle: ,  and there are much more. So this should at least be reflected in the article. Neftchi (talk) 12:14, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I think if I insist in deleting a section of an article about Az.republic's flag , that would be an insult to the neighbor nation , so I do my best to discuss it to you .It would be the best if you yourselves remove it and not us . What's the importance of SANAM using a version of this flag ? Doesn't many groups in many places use self-made flags ? Besides that , please show an article in Wikipedia about the flag of a sovereign nation that have a section about the groups whose flag are alike that nation ! Don't you think it is kind of diminishing for that flag ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: An example would be the flag of Tibet. Anyway I posted you pictures that show that the flag of SANAM is sometimes used in Iran. So its not just SANAM and I didnt make all these things up. Neftchi (talk) 15:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Neftchi , Tibet is not a sovereign nation : it is a part of China! Can you please show other article? And about that pictures , I think counting them as important is giving WEIGHT . Whats the source that shows it is important ? UNPO ?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes exactly, Tibet is not a sovereign nation and yet they have their own flag. You asked me to show you a non-sovereign flag. Thats why I showed flag of Tibet. Look I want to keep this discussion friendly and with good faith. I posted you the pictures because they show the flag is used sometimes in Iran by Azerbaijani activists and not just exclusively by SANAM. I have no other intentions against Iran but we should not ignore this flag, it exists and its similar to the Azerbaijani flag. Thats all the 3 sentences say about it. Neftchi (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I didn't ask you to show a non-sovereign flag ! I asked for an article in Wikipedia about a sovereign nation's flag that have a section about a group using a flag like them . I'm arguing your action about the flag of Az.Republic is an unknown one in Wikipedia . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 04:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kurds are a divided people, as Tajiks and Azeris. Most of the Kurds are using flag. Here's an article about this flag. There is a flag of the Assyrians. Both peoples have no state. Among these nations have different national movements that use these flags. Талех (talk) 08:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again : I'm asking for an article in Wikipedia about a sovereign nation's flag ( I mean one of this page :Gallery of sovereign-state flags ) ; that in the article there is a section about groups using a flag that is alike the sovereign nation's flag .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

text: And again to make it more clear :Look at Wikipedia article about the Flag of Turkey . Although Flag of Northern Cyprus is much much more recognized and famous than a group's flag , the Wikipedia article about Turkey's flag does not have any material about Northern Cyprus . I think the article about a sovereign nation's flag is so important that it may not contain controversial or unimportant sections . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Northern Cyprus - self-proclaimed republic of Cyprus and its flag is not similar to the flag of Turkey. In the article about the flag of Greece contains a list of similar flags. Талех (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah the flags of Turkey and Northern Cyprus are not at all similar. Again a crescent and star alone does not make it similar, it goes for the flag of Talysh-Mughan Autonomy aswell. Also the American flag also has a similar section, see here. Neftchi (talk) 09:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Section about similar flags of Greece and USA are about the countries and not about groups .If groups were supposed to have a section in the flag articles , then all articles may have such sections because many groups inside and outside a country use the nation's flag as a base for their group : I mean can you just imagine how many groups use USA , France and other famous flags as a base for their organizations? Is it supposed to include all of them ?!--Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are groups that do not use the flag of their country. Take the Iranian Arab, Turkomans and Baluchis. Flags Iranian Arabs, Turkomans and Baluchis are not similar to the flags of Iran, İraq and Pakistan and they may not be in articles about the flags of Iran, İraq and Pakistan. If the flags of these groups were similar to the flags of those states in which they live, the more likely these flags were in articles about the flags of sovereign states. Талех (talk) 09:50, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I did not made myself clear . I didn't said groups use their countries flag .I said there are many political and non-political groups that their flag resembles to famous flags of the nations without doubt , then where are the section in articles about these famous flags ?! [Another]  example : look at this one : or that one :  ; does the Wikipedia article about the flag of USA or UK have a section about this flags ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

text: If no, then you write a chapter about it in articles about the flags of the United States and Britain.  Талех (talk) 10:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't do that , because other editors will omit it because it is neither notable nor Verifiable and it is against the importance  of that subject have in real life .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Alborz, we removed the flag but kept a sentence on its existence in the section. I think this is a fair compromise? Neftchi (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Well , I think according to previous discussions in reliable sources notice board , UNPO can't be used as a source . Do you have other sources ? At least the new source's tone may be more acceptable (or less irritating).--Alborz Fallah (talk) 13:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious. Iranian members, including the Azeris from Iran, so much written about the flag, and nothing in the article are not complementary. Alborz Fallah I understand your love for Iran, but do not make the difference between northern and southern Azerbaijanis. In Southern Azerbaijan this flag is used. Shows quite a good source. Sorry if offended. Талех (talk) 16:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Influence" and it's unreliable sources (Talysh-Mughan Autonomous Republic ?!)  

message: According to user Талех , it would be normal to add sections about groups with similar flags to the national flags article . As a survey I suggest to add a section about African American group and their flag  to the article Flag of the United States and see how much time it would remains.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
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message: I think more information about the flag should be added to this article. For example, the Military Flag of Azerbaijan, the Government Flag of Azerbaijan, etc. 5.197.255.243 (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: The article you mentioned in your  links to the List of German flags article, not Flag of Germany. Similarly, I suggested that the List of Azerbaijani flags article would be a more appropriate place for the image you want to add. This article focuses on the national flag of Azerbaijan and is not supposed to include every flag used within Azerbaijan. — Golden call me maybe? 15:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Golden Статья называется Флаг Азербайджана, а не Национальный флаг Азербайджана. Тоже самое касается флага Латвии, флага Норвегии, флага Швеции или флага Финляндии — Dizenter (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  "National" doesn't have to be specified since it is already mentioned in the lead and the article's short summary. The articles you referenced are neither Good nor Featured articles. On Wikipedia, there are 5 featured flag articles, and none of them include the naval ensign in their infobox. See: Flag of Canada, Flag of Japan, Flag of Belarus, Flag of Hong Kong, Flag of Singapore. — Golden call me maybe? 16:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Golden то, что в синопсисе говорится только про национальный флаг, не значит, что там должно говориться только про национальный флаг. У трёх из пяти указанных вами стран морского флага нет вообще, а у двух есть отдельные статьи про морской флаг. И ориентирами для написания статей являются правила, а не статус статьи. Инфоблок позволяет размещать больше одного флага? Позволяет. Правила это запрещают? Нет. Dizenter (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

text:  I removed it. Ridiculous inclusion. Beshogur (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval flag