Talk:Romania in the Early Middle Ages

message: 1200s is ambiguous: it can either mean 1200 to 1209 or 100 years-a century.  So what are the facts?  1200s (decade) or 13th century, the standard for century notation?  Thanks Hmains (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your message. I think 1200s is good. However, my problem was that your edit destroyed an image. Borsoka (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: "Romanian did not preserve Latin words connected to urbanized society. Likewise, the term sat ("village") may have been borrowed from Albanian and not directly inherited. The Medieval Romanian word obște 'village community' came from Slavic, and the Romanian word for its boundaries (hotar) is of Hungarian origin."
This Passage take's sources as 3 pages From Spinei's Book and the rest are litterally dictionaries of Romanian, Albanian and Hungarian. Even so the pages 249-250 from Spinei that given as source aren't even about words and their origin, but a mentions of structure of "obște" and "hotar." 
I always knew "cetate"(citadel in modern romanian) and "sat"(village in modern romanian) as romanian words surviving from latin.
Anyways I'm fairly sure this is a case of individual research from one of the editors. DiGrande (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Spinei writes: "Since the cities in existence during Antiquity in the Lower Danube region disappeared during the subsequent centuries, no traces were left in the Romanian language of the Latin vocabulary of city life." (Spinei 2009, p. 202) Vladimir Orel was a leading linguist and his work is not a dictionary, but an etymological dictionary. He writes that Albanian fshat ("village") derives from Latin fossatum ("ditch") and the Romanian word sat ("village") was not directly inherited from Latin. The webpage dexonline.ro is not a classical dictionary either because it contains etymologies of Romanian words. No Hungarian dictionaries are cited in the two sentences (and in the rest of the article). Borsoka (talk) 02:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the term dictionary in the wider sense of the word. The exact Passage I have given abouve, with the exception of the first statement, is personal research. It doesn't source any study on the origin of romanian words related to urban or rural settlements. By the same same principles I could add other words from romanian and cite there etymolgy. DiGrande (talk) 05:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: I suggest to delete this map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Early_Middle_Ages#/media/File:RomaniaHistRegions.jpg
I do not understand why does some territories in this map "historical regions of Romania" which belong to Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, Ukraine. It is total inaccurate.
The modern Romanian state was established in 1859. The united principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia officially adopted the name Romania in 1866, later gain independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1878. The German-French Prince Karl of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, proclaimed the first king of Romania in 1881. Pre-Romanian states, Wallachia was founded in 1330, Moldavia was founded in 1346.
The mentioned regions in the map how can be "historical regions of Romania" if those regions never belonged to Romania? Which means this map is not only inaccurate, but irredentist. By the way, the Romanian ultra-nationalists like to use this map with this slogen: "From the Dniester to the Tisza". This is a verse from the poem "Doina" published by famous Romanian writer, Mihai Eminescu in 1883. Why would those regions in the map "historical regions of Romania", just because that is a 19th century ultra-nationalist slogan?
For example, Magyar tribes of Arpad came from today's Moldova, Ukraine. Principality Hungary occupied Vienna, half of today Austria until the Enns river in the 10th century. King Matthias of Hungary occupied huge Austrian, Czech, Polish lands in the 15th century. Poland had 2 Hungarian kings (Louis I, Bathory). Wallachia was a Hungarian vassal state (Ungro-Vlachia), and it had some Hungarian poulaiton. Moldavia was  founded as a buffer state by the Hungarian king in 1346 after when the Hungarian army defeated a large Tatar army in 1345 and the Golden Horde was pushed back behind the Dniester River. I do not see any Hungarian map which would say "historical regions of Hungary" which was outside of the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary. Habsburg Monarchy gave Holy Roman Emperors, ruled Spain, Netherlands, Hungary, Bohemia, Poland, etc... I do not see any Austrian historical map which would name those countries of "historical regions of Austria". However comparing with these examples, those mentioned regions in the problematic map never belonged to any pre-Romanian states (Wallachia and Moldavia), and modern Romanian state.
I do not know any or how many Romanians ever lived in that mentioned "historical regions of Romania" outside Romania, but for example, many Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, Turks, Russians, etc live in USA, Austria, England, Italy, Germany, etc and nobody say that those regions would be "historical land of the mentioned countries". 
OrionNimrod (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, mostly agree. I have to more things to highlight: first, the page which the image subtitle redirects to doesn't say all these territories. Second, Early Middle Ages (from the 5th to the 10th century, so even before the founding of Wallachia and Moldavia) Romanian entities have nothing to do with the states the "historical regions of Romania" (this is how they are called on the map) largely consist of. The article looks a very nice one to me, it shouldn't be ruined by Romanian irredentist dogma. I also suggest deleting the picture. Gyalu22 (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I agree. The map is fictional and misleads the reader. Aristeus01 (talk) 19:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding this discussion, it should be known that the virulent nationalism which is currently spreading, is trying to rewrite history by presenting exclusive points of view. In the case of this map, a historical region cannot straddle current borders but must belong to only one present country. To represent it as both Romanian and Hungarian is necessarily ″to claim the Hungarian part″ (and vice versa for the Romanian nationalists). More generally, concerning the history of the Romanians, who were mainly transhumant shepherds before the 13th century, Hungarian historiography denies that they could have been present on north of the Danube before this time, while Bulgarian and Yugoslav historiography denies that they could have been present on south of the Danube, as if this river and the Carpathian mountains were impassable borders. So that all the secondary sources which refer to this, express a view that the speakers of the Eastern Romance languages ​​totally disappeared at the end of Roman rule, for miraculously reappear after a millennium of absence. Of course, this nonsense is not ″fictitious″ and does not ″mislead the reader″.
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thread_title:  Historical regions of Romania