Talk:Death penalty (NCAA)

message: SMU and Kentucky are not the only programs to receive the death penalty.
In 1973, the University of Southwestern Louisiana's (now Louisiana-Lafayette) men's basketball program received the death penalty from the NCAA for two years.
Here is some info in that regard:
http://www.athleticnetwork.net/site70.php
Cdebaillon (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction Needed 

message: In addition, senior center Bill Spivey was charged with perjury for refusing to testify against his teammates.
I am puzzled by this statement.  Perjury is lying under oath.  How can someone be charged with perjury for refusing to testify?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clubiguana (talk • contribs) 20:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't. If he took the Fifth, they couldn't charge him with anything unless he was granted immunity. In which case refusing to testify still wouldn't be perjury. It would be obstruction of justice. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

text: That's not necessarily so.  Kentucky chose to retain its players and coach.  The NCAA doesn't dismantle programs, it just says that they can't play.  SMU Football in the mid 1980's decided to dismantle its own program in response to the sanctions placed on it.  The NCAA can't force universities to do anything with their students or coaches.  It can, however, decide that they cannot play a sport for a given time.  The Kentucky team decided, rather than disbanding, to sit out the year sanction and return after it expired.  It was the same penalty, just that each university responded in different manners. --Jayron32 02:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kentucky Basketball, 1952-53

message: This entire section is a POV, OT travesty. Not a single WP:RS is cited in support of the contention that ANY of these four schools "almost" received the NCAA death penalty. All that is here is speculation in view of the possibility that these schools might have. One source is misapplied - here is a direct quotation from one of the articles used to support the Alabama contention:
:Instead of punishing the university, the NCAA's Committee on Infractions praised Alabama for its handling of the case.'The university has really done everything we expect an institution to do when they're investigating violations of NCAA rules,' said infractions committee chairman David Swank, adding that 'he couldn't recall a similar case where a school received no sanctions'. 'They reported it, they investigated it, and they took corrective actions.'
This essentially refutes the contention that Alabama "escaped" the death penalty.
The section on USC is worse - all innuendo, supposition, and inference based on the facts as presented - a classic example of WP:OR. The Baylor section offers not a single source in support.
Additionally - what makes these probations more "notable" and nearer the death penalty than dozens of others? Again - it smacks of WP:OR, as if editors merely added a few cases with which they were vaguely familiar. Where is the evidence that this list is exhaustive? Why were these schools chosen?
The entire section is unencyclopedic POV. Unless WP:RS appear in two days, I will revert the section, which is potentially libelous as it stands.
FWIW - I have no personal stake in this whatsoever beyond a desire for accuracy. As my User page indicates, I am a graduate of the University of Notre Dame and have no particular affinity for any of these schools beyond the respect that one accords a rival. But this section is the very incarnation of all that a Wikipedia article should not be and too often is. Sensei48 (talk) 04:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Sensei48 (talk) on all counts, but I was waiting to hear feedback from other users. Obamafan70 (talk) 13:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Hi Obamafan! Glad you agree - no one has rushed to the defense of this section, so for the moment I will as indicated revert it. If editors want to bring back information on these episodes that
a) is properly, objectively, and accurately sourced - which these are not - 
b) explain with sourcing why these cases are more notable than or closer to receiving the death penalty than dozens of other infraction cases, and
c) eschew the inferential and gossipy style or writing here present, 
then maybe a section like this can remain in the article. I doubt it though - establishing these four cases as objectively more significant than dozens of others is virtually impossible. They seem concocted from animus for the universities mentioned. Sensei48 (talk) 09:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed again on all counts; this merits a barnstar. I will see what seems appropriate. Obamafan70 (talk) 13:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Warning: Imminent reversion of "Notable Violations" Section 

message: The lede sentence in the article states "The death penalty is the popular term for the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)'s power to ban a school from competing in a sport for at least one year. It is the harshest penalty that an NCAA member school can receive." "Self-imposed" does not mean the same thing at all. A school voluntarily cancelling a season is NOT an NCAAsanction. Further, the suggestion that USF was "facing the death Penalty" is WP:OR and POV since the NCAA COI does not comment on its deliberations except when it imposes sanctions. USF is not an example of the NCAA forbidding a team to compete, which is what the so-called Death Penalty is. As noted before, this school-initiated action belongs in a discussion of USF, not here. Sensei48 (talk) 07:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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