Talk:Dance Dance Revolution/Archive 1

message: Well, which will it be?  To say that DDR USA was "panned" by players of previously imported games is correct.  The recently made change, "played" by players of imports, is also true, although not terribly relevant.  May I suggest "snubbed" by players of the better mixes?
I've changed this back to 'panned' although 'snubbed' would work too. Kappa 18:18, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: recent minor change

message: This is a proposal to keep consistency across all the Dance Dance Revolution articles. The following guidelines adhere to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style where possible:
*The game series, Dance Dance Revolution, and the individual games (such as Dance Dance Revolution 5thMIX), in italics. This includes acronyms (DDR, DDR 3rdMIX), and informal names (Club Version 1, DDR 3rd Mix), although the latter should be avoided.
**Gamespy uses this format in their game review articles. 
*Song and course name capitalization: matches in-game capitalization. Use the song lists of the individual articles (if available) as reference. Example: "PARANOiA" as opposed to "Paranoia". 
*Song names: Double-quotes, as per the Manual of Style.
*Grades in double-quotes. "AA", "A", "B"...
*Step judgments, when initially referenced, should be as they appear on-screen in the game. "MARVELOUS!!!", "MARVELLOUS!!!", "PERFECT!!", "GREAT!", "GOOD", "BOO", "MISS..", "ALMOST", "O.K.", "N.G.". All further references should just have the first letter capitalized. Perfect, Great, Good, Boo, Miss, Almost, O.K., N.G.
**This is to avoid breaking sentence flow with jarring CAPS and extraneous!!! punctuation.
*Arrow directions: Currently lowercase — up, down, left, right, up-left, up-right. I am undecided on whether these should be capitalized or left lowercase. It could use a vote if anyone thinks it's significant enough.
*Freeze arrows: I suggest Freeze arrow, with arrow left lowercase.
I am by no means an authoritative figure on DDR-based articles, so feel free to argue any of these guidelines.
--Poiuytman 02:27, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistency in capitalization, italics, quotes

message: ...has been archived under Talk:Dance_Dance_Revolution/Common_step_patterns. Some parts may be incorporated into the Gameplay section, but as it is currently written, it's more appropriate for a website such as GameFAQs. --Poiuytman 10:30, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I was thinking that at some point a guide to techniques and arcade codes could be created on Wikibooks, since they don't belong in an encyclopedia article. --Poiuyt Man (talk) 10:02, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common step patterns 

message: I just had an idea...would it be a good or bad idea to have a timeline somewhere on this or a related page? The table would summarize particular trends in the game, like the duration of foot rating names or the duration of the CD carousel or banner lineup.  I just whipped up a table for it, but it's obviously not finished.  Tell me what you think.
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Game                                          	Dance Dance Revolution	2ndMIX     	3rdMIX/3rdMIX Plus	4thMIX/4thMIX Plus	5thMIX     	DDRMAX              	DDRMAX2    	EXTREME
Foot rating                                   	Y                     	Y          	Y                 	Y                 	Y          	N                   	Y          	Y
Named difficulty levels ("Catastrophic" et al)	Y                     	Y          	Y                 	N                 	N          	N                   	N          	N
Groove Radar                                  	N                     	N          	N                 	N                 	N          	Y                   	Y          	Y
Method of music selection                     	CD Carousel           	CD Carousel	CD Carousel       	Banner lineup     	Music wheel	Music wheel         	Music wheel	Music wheel
Highest foot rating                           	8                     	8          	9                 	9                 	9          	10*                 	10         	10
Routine category names                        	Basic/Another/Maniac  	B/A/M      	B/A/M             	Basic/Trick/Maniac	B/T/M      	Light/Standard/Heavy	L/S/H      	L/S/H
Note: although Dance Dance Revolution MAX did not use foot ratings, the song Max 300 was later given the rating of 10 feet in Dance Dance Revolution MAX2, making DDRMAX the first DDR game with a ten-foot song.
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Azure Haights 22:09, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know if a complex table is the way to do this. I feel we could just reduce the current table in Releases to a list, and important changes could be written next to each game. --Poiuytman 22:39, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And the table would get convoluted when games were added that use older or completely different interfaces, such as the Solo mixes and North American releases. --Poiuytman 22:41, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: I added a navigational template to all the individual game articles. I'm not so great with CSS, so if you feel you can make it look better, go ahead. --Poiuytman 22:37, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation template. 

message: This is mostly directed at Kitch, since he's the main contributer of the individual game pages, but the topic is open for discussion. Since the US 1st Mix and DDR USA arcade games don't have much unique content (they borrow all their songs from 1st-3rd Mix, and the interface is modified from 2nd/3rd's), I suggest they go under the same article, named Dance Dance Revolution (USA) or something similar. The US home version, Dance Dance Revolution, could also go under that article, since it's based off those two arcade versions.
The Disney mixes could also probably be condensed under one article.
I've been using The DDRUK Songlist Project lately to keep track of all the versions. It doesn't have details on every mix yet, but it's still a useful resource. --Poiuytman 09:41, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DDR US 1st Mix/USA/Home, Disney Mixes. 

message: Here's a link to view a very rough translation of the Japanese Wikipedia DDR article, done using SYSTRAN.
Translated article
--Poiuytman 12:27, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese DDR article 

message: I created List of Dance Dance Revolution games, and replaced the Releases section with a link to it. This decreases the article size by about 5kb. I'm planning on adding much of the details from the old table as sub-bullets on the list. I also still need to link many of the titles on the list.
The release dates were obtained from several sources: the old Release table, the individual DDR articles, the Japanese DDR article, the KLOV, MobyGames, All Game Guide, DDRers' Stompin' Ground (with help from SysTran), and the DDRUK Songlist Project. In case of conflicting dates from different sources, I used the release date that was listed on more sites, or reduced the date accuracy (e.g. March 2001 instead of March 21, 2001).
--Poiuytman 12:30, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of DDR games 

message: I reverted the disambiguation notice at the page to include the links again. I don't think it's necessary to make the user navigate to the bottom of the page, when there are only two games with that title, and they can easily be listed at the top (which is the point of disambiguation, to provide quick links to the desired article). Besides, the list at the bottom (the template, I'm assuming?) doesn't even say which games are titled Dance Dance Revolution, so navigating down there doesn't really help. --Poiuytman 14:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation notice. 

message: Can this be done without violating copyright? Can authorization be obtained for at least some songs? DDR is great, but it's clearly a fad, and this stuff may not be available forever -- this is a good medium for preservation. EggplantWizard 20:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtful on the authorization, but fair use should cover short clips at low bitrate. Maybe we could use the clips on the Ultramix 2 site. --SPUI (talk) 17:05, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it will be very useful though SYSS Mouse 02:05, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for sample sound files 

message: Since the DDR Freak article hasn't gained any real content since the last time it was on VfD, I re-listed it. Please go to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/DDR Freak and vote. --Poiuytman 10:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DDR Freak re-listed on VfD 

message: Then perhaps you should consider removing the comments about the DDR Freak forums. Whatever happened to you at DDR Freak is your opinion of matters, and DDR Freak is not inherently flame-heavy. If anything, when compared against BemaniStyle, arch0wl, ITGFreak, and AIJ, DDR Freak is tame.
Whatever your opinions of DDR Freak may be, they are *irrelevant* and do not belong in a wiki.
:They are not exclusively my opinions, but rather how the majority of other DDR website communites perceive DDR Freak's forums. Nevertheless, the statement is opinionated, and I have removed it. --Poiuytman 03:13, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  If "encyclopaedic content" is your aim... 

message: Was it necessary to replace the 4th Mix Plus picture at the top with the new one? Not to sound biased towards my own photo, but it is brighter and shows the pad clearer. It's unnecessary to have both pictures on the page, since they show similar perspectives of a DDR machine. --Poiuytman 08:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I put mine at the top since it shows the whole machine, and shows the original logo. --SPUI (talk) 09:56, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see the reasoning behind that. I also like that the machine still has padding on the bars, and the stickers on the pad are still intact. I've edited the picture to make it a bit brighter, and placed it back at the top of the page. 300px looks too big for me, though, at least on a 1024x768 display. --Poiuytman 20:51, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Machine picture changed. 

message: I'm not trying to be overly possessive of my text contributions to this article, but the recent overhaul by User:DjRez has me a bit irritated. Although there are a lot of improvements, many of the changes needlessly complicate sections and add POV. Examples:
*"DDR is often considered the most popular of Konami's. Bemani music game series."
**Weasel statement, no source. Beatmania IIDX is currently more popular in Japan.
*The game is typically played on a dance pad with four arrow panels, pointing in the cardinal directions: up, down, left, and right. (In addition to the NSEW arrows, versions of Dance Dance Revolution Solo have additional arrows pointing "Up-Right" and "Up-Left", approximately 45 degrees from the panel preceding it.)
**The "typically" was placed there so Versus, Double, 3-Panel, and 6-Panel didn't have to be explained in the article introduction. Listing them in detail can be done in the Gameplay section, and a link to Dance Dance Revolution Solo can explain the diagonals.
*In some DDR communities, players may place their coins on this lip to form a "coin line", which signals that a player is waiting for his or her turn to play. changed to "Coin lines", as they are commonly called, clearly shows the order or perspective players, as to eliminate confusion.
**"In some DDR communities" was removed, reducing the accuracy of the statement (it is rare to see coin lines outside the United States). The sentence was also moved in the paragraph, placing it out of context.
:::Why was it removed, do you know about other countries, have you been to any? The coinline i used in England, Norway, Sweden, France and Italy. I think you should check up on these things before making assumptions. Havok 4 July 2005 07:48 (UTC)
::I've been told by Japanese players that coin lines are strictly a Western phenomenon, and they are not used in Japan. I don't have any real references to back that up, so I wouldn't put it in the article. However, it is fairly easy to search various DDR forums for "coin line" and find that there is a minority of online DDR players that don't use it. Some areas use the less-common method of putting one's coins in the machine beforehand, to signal that the player has already paid for his/her turn. Other methods include a sign-up sheet, and not using a formal line system at all (common when just playing with friends).
::The coin line is common in the U.S. (and elsewhere, as you say), but it's still a player preference. Therefore, the statement should make it clear that it's not the only way of keeping order, it's not used everywhere, and it's not used consistently with different groups of people. --Poiuyt Man talk 4 July 2005 16:40 (UTC)
*The opening paragraph of Gameplay details has been bloated with specifics about difficulty, which belong in a separate paragraph or subsection. 
*Songs and levels was already a mess, but now has "did you know?" trivia about specific songs, which are covered in many of the specific DDR mix articles.
I was tempted to revert the article, but the changes are well-meaning, and simply need to be rearranged and rephrased in many instances. I'm glad we have an another user with a major interest in improving this article. --Poiuyt Man talk 05:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes