Talk:Islamic terrorism

message: was placed per this discussion at RfPP. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indefinite duration semi-protection 

message: I'm asking for the addition of the Turkistan Islamic Party as a terrorist group, as it is officially recognized as such and meets all the requirements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party 189.202.186.69 (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dawnseeker2000 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

text: Already listed in article as East Turkestan Islamic Movement. TFD (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2020 

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replies: text: I fixed it with proper paraphrasing, reordering, and summarizing.--Artemis Seeker (talk) 06:22, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Would be nice to have a standard acronym of this important terrorist group for the article. 
ISIL is used in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant article. But a Google search of "ISIL Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" vs. "ISIS Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" finds ISIS is about 10X as popular as ISIL, and 20X as popular as Daesh, which is not so well known in English language sources. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 00:27, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we use ISIL? ISIS? or Daesh? 

message: Checking for images that give visual evidence for Islamic terrorism I only found an image that showed  photos of victims. In contrast, the article of terrorism is full of pictures of destruction resulting from acts of terror. I am including the description of those who are not state-perpetrated:
United Airlines Flight 175 hits the South Tower of the World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks of 2001 in New York City
Attack at the Bologna railway station on August 2, 1980 by the neo-fascist group Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari. With 85 deaths, it is the deadliest massacre in the history of Italy as a Republic.
Aftermath of the 2002 bomb attack at the Myyrmanni shopping mall in Myyrmäki, Vantaa, Finland. The bombing was especially shocking for Finland and the other Nordic countries, where bombings are extremely rare.
The Beslan school siege by Chechen rebels on September 1, 2004. It was the deadliest massacre in the history of Russia in the 21st century.
Aftermath of the King David Hotel bombing by the Zionist militant group Irgun, July 1946
A view of damage to the U.S. Embassy in the aftermath of the 1983 Beirut bombing caused by Islamic Jihad Organization and Hezbollah
Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing. Some 35,000 Pakistanis have died from terrorist attacks in recent years
Dawabsheh family home after Duma arson attack
The Wall Street bombing at noon on September 16, 1920 killed thirty-eight people and injured several hundred. The perpetrators were never caught.
Is there some self-censorship going on? For starters we can copy here all images from the "Terrorism" article that are about Islamic terrorism. Nxavar (talk) 09:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe there has been a deliberate effort to suppress images here. More likely it didn't occur to anyone (me for example) that more images were needed. If you want to add some images, and they are relevant to the event described, why would anyone object? ~Anachronist (talk) 23:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Like most articles that describe many individual events, the best image is a composite: American Civil War, Russo-Japanese War. I suggest we make one from the above list. Are you technically able to create that composite? DenverCoder9 (talk) 00:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV issue: No image of attacks 

message: Add the following under 'Oceania': 
====New Zealand====
On Friday, September 3, 2021, a Tamil Muslim named Ahamed Aathil Mohamed Samsudeen committed a terrorist attack by stabbing multiple people in Auckland, New Zealand. 203.96.84.1 (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. The section is already overlong and bloated, and this was a relatively small scale attack. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  This seems like a reasonable request and doesn't need consensus, just adherence to policy. In particular we have WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENT, so it would be best to wait and see what coverage there is. If this has received more significant coverage outside of New Zealand than Al Jazeera, I would be in favor of including it. That said, the Al Jazeera source is quite good, particularly in describing how this attack resulted in a change in legislation to close a loophole that would have allowed this attacker to remain detained rather than be released. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2021 

message: On Friday, September 3, 2021, a Tamil Muslim named Ahamed Aathil Mohamed Samsudeen committed a terrorist attack by stabbing multiple people in Auckland, New Zealand. 203.96.84.1 (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. The section is already overlong and bloated, and this was a relatively small scale attack. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  This seems like a reasonable request and doesn't need consensus, just adherence to policy. In particular we have WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENT, so it would be best to wait and see what coverage there is. If this has received more significant coverage outside of New Zealand than Al Jazeera, I would be in favor of including it. That said, the Al Jazeera source is quite good, particularly in describing how this attack resulted in a change in legislation to close a loophole that would have allowed this attacker to remain detained rather than be released. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: New Zealand

message: There is an undefined refname in the Martyrdom/Istishhad section. It was introduced by this edit but never defined.
Both instances of the following:
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Thanks ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 11:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 15:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite error

message: This article has grown to an indigestible length and complexity due to the age-old issue on Wikipedia of the discussion of the subject itself being confused with the need to add endless illustrative examples of the subject - in this case, an exhaustive list of terroristic acts. I propose a split whereby all of the material currently listed under Islamic terrorism#Examples of organizations and acts be split off, condensed and merged into List of Islamist terrorist attacks. By my rough estimate, this would shave about a third of the article off and leave the remaining 200,000 bytes with a much better chance of being shaped up into something half readable. As it stands, the country-by-country examples listed out ad nauseum on this thematic page add little benefit. Thoughts? Iskandar323 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. TFD (talk) 22:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: A list would require the creation of numerous small articles I suppose. A better alternative would be to create "per continent" Islamist terrorist attacks articles. Nxavar (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed split and merge into [[List of Islamist terrorist attacks]]

message: slamic terrorism (also Islamist terrorism or radical Islamic terrorism) refers to terrorist acts with religious motivations carried out by fundamentalist militant Islamists and Islamic extremists.[1][2][3]
The 4th october 2021 attacks against Nigeria ,  Owerri in 2001 were carried out by the Islamist terrorist group al-Qaeda
Incidents and fatalities from Islamic terrorism have been concentrated in eight Muslim-majority countries (Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, and Syria),[4] while four Islamic extremist groups (Islamic State, Boko Haram, the Taliban, anddeaths from terrorism in 2015.
Since at least the 1990s, these terrorist incidents have occurred on a global scale, affecting not only Muslim-majority countries in Africa and Asia, but also Russia, Australia, Canada, Israel, India, the United States, China, Philippines, Thailand and countries within Europe.[Note 1] Such attacks have targeted both Muslims and non-Muslims with one study finding 80% of terrorist victims to be Christians.[10][11] In a number of the worst-affected Muslim-majority regions, these terrorists have been met by armed, independent resistance groups,[12] state actors and their proxies, and elsewhere by condemnation by prominent Islamic figures.[13][14][15]
Justifications given for attacks on civilians by Islamic extremist groups come from extreme interpretations of the Quran,[3] the hadith,[16][17] and sharia law.[3] These include retribution by armed jihad for the perceived injustices of unbelievers against Muslims;[18] the belief that the killing of many self-proclaimed Muslims is required because they have violated Islamic law and are disbelievers (takfir);[19] the overriding necessity of restoring and purifying Islam by establishing sharia law, especially by restoring the Caliphate as a pan-Islamic state (especially ISIS);[20] the glory and heavenly rewards of martyrdom;[17] the supremacy of Islam over all other religions.[Note 2]
The use of the phrase "Islamic terrorism" is disputed. In Western political speech, it has variously been called "counter-productive", "highly politicized, intellectually contestable" and "damaging to community relations", by those who disapprove of the characterization 'Islamic'.[23][24][25] Others have condemned the avoidance of the term as an act of "self-deception", "full-blown censorship" and "intellectual dishonesty".
Madonna
P141  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.50.146 (talk) 23:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorist attacks in Nigeria 

message: 2405:201:680B:A09D:548B:65DA:409A:4B12 (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: most terrorists state that their actions are in support of one cause or another. - Arjayay (talk) 20:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2022 

message: I don't know if this has been brought up, but Muslims do not call these people actual Muslims as they commit acts that are mentioned as disappeasing by many records. IGotHacked12 (talk) 22:10, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  quick clarification 

message: Please remove islamic from this. Islam is a very peaceful religion. The people that conduct these attacks are not true muslims but act to hurt the actual muslims. Please, make the world a better place and let’s all come together as brothers and sister 2605:59C8:1C9:C910:8D33:CA6D:319E:844A (talk) 04:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: if WP:RS describe these folks as Islamic then we do as well  Cannolis (talk) 05:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023 

message: In the lead's last paragraph, I cannot find the words "self-deception", "full-blown censorship" and "intellectual dishonesty" in either of the sources.
Also upon examining the second source, Caroline Marcus, does not appear to have recognition or accomplishment in the relevant field. Additionally, the content of both the sources in question appears to contain extremely biased or inflammatory language, which may not meet the standard for reliable and neutral sources. 39.41.141.223 (talk) 06:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if the sources remain, the sentence should be rephrased as follows: 'Others have criticized the avoidance of the term, stating that it may be perceived as a form of self-deception and could impede the ability to have open and honest discussions about the subject. 39.41.141.223 (talk) 06:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: More crucially, the Marcus piece is not only irrelevant and undue, but also opinion. It's going. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Actually, it appears the John Fund piece is also opinion, and I could see these terms nowhere. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't find the words quoted. 

message: The redirect Jihadi terrorism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  GnocchiFan (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Jihadi terrorism]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: In the section that begins "Justifications given for attacks on civilians by Islamic extremist groups," isn't an additional one that such groups regard civilians as fair targets because the members of a given target democratic nation's populace are the ones that chose to vote in a government that supposedly oppresses Muslims (and, thus, these civilians bear ultimate responsibility for their government's actions)? 2605:A000:FFC0:5F:F9BD:9D:B97C:57D4 (talk) 02:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe so, but if you can't find a reliable source stating this, we can't include it in the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:52, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional justification given for attacks on civilians by Islamic extremist groups