Talk:Spencer Tracy

message: I would say that Tracy's part in "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" was anything but small.  Did Tracy really film all of his appearances in just nine days?  If so, were the nine days consecutive or not?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.124.210 (talk) 05:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think about it, it's actually pretty small. It's an important part, but for the first two hours he only pops up a few times. This is the Curtis comment re nine days: "[the character backstory] wasn't much for him to go on, and with nine days of work ahead of him, Tracy made use of...." Sounds like it was 9 consecutive days. --Lobo512 (talk) 10:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small part? 

message: "Catholic-guilt"?  I mean really now.  No one can deny that Tracy was raised Catholic, and his sense of guilt over his son's Deafness is undeniable.  But calling that "Catholic-guilt" as if the doctrine that God makes children deaf because of their parent's adultery were an actual and specifically Roman Catholic belief is editorial synthesis: hardly NPOV or even logically justifiable.  We don't go around talking about people's "Catholic-hypocrisy" or "Catholic-charity" or calling people Catholic criminals because they are criminals and Catholics.  I see from above attributing things to his Catholicism has been an NPOV issue above.  Mere "guilt" is undeniable at quite sufficient for the lead. μηδείς (talk) 03:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it making a generalisation about Catholicism? I was just trying to make clear that Spencer Tracy - this particular individual - felt guilt because of his religious beliefs. And that seemed the simplest way of saying it. It's also a handy way of slipping his religion into the lead, which I do feel is appropriate because he is (rightly or wrongly) quite strongly associated with his Catholicism. I can't see at all how this is suggesting ALL Catholics would feel guilt in that situation, you're reading into it way too much... --Lobo (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And I don't really appreciate you edit-warring by undoing my edit. You've brought this to the talk page, which was the right thing to do, but you could have let the discussion commence first...edit-warring just looks silly. --Lobo (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the objection continue or can I add it back? --Lobo (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No further comments about this so I'm re-adding it for now. --Lobo (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Catholic-guilt"? 

message: An anon editor has been removing cited materials with no reasons given for the deletions. Thank youRFD (talk) 16:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon editor 

message: Ok, taking this to the talk page now as Blofeld has deleted not only my latest input but also the passage added by Loeba with the motivation that it was not "encyclopedic" but has made to effort to redit the passage or suggest how it be done to fit their liking. This time I have moved away from only relying on Bowers' to rather put more weight on Mann's biography (which predates Bowers' book by six years). Mann in fact mentions Bowers' and confirms the gay rumours of both Tracy and Hepburn. I also mentioned that Gore Vidal has confirmed these reports. Why this this problematic? If several legitimate sources claim the same thing, ought it not bring credence to the understanding that these rumours should be addressed in the Wikipedia article?
Here is the text I tried to insert:
In 2012, a man named Scotty Bowers claimed that he had been Tracy's lover in the 1940s and 1950s.<ref name="Bowers">
 Biographer James Curtis has disputed these claims as "unverifiable", and said there was no evidence of Bowers in any of Tracy's personal documents.http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/04/full-service-my-adventures-bowers-review Nevertheless, Bowers' claims were vouched for by Gore Vidal.http://pagesix.com/2012/02/10/sex-tales-true-vidal-says/ In fact, William J. Mann makes mention of Bower's in his 2006 biography of Hepburn. Mann suggests Tracy was "fluid" in his sexuality, describing his close friendship with playboy Tim Durant, before recounting his dalliances with a Hollywood “male madam” named Scotty [Bowers]. While not denying the chemistry between Tracy and Hepburn, Mann questions the intimacy of their relationship, citing the fact that they never lived together and paints Hepburn's role as more similar to a caretaker than lover of the deeply alcoholic (and married) Tracy. Moreover, Mann contends that Hepburn concocted their supposed romance after Tracy had died.<ref name="Mann">
http://variety.com/2006/more/reviews/kate-the-woman-who-was-hepburn-1200512464/
:The fact that Mann mentions Bowers doesn't "confirm" anything. He was the first one to publish the Bowers stuff, but that's what James Curtis was responding to in 2011 (Bowers' own book hadn't been published at that point) and he called bullshit. Mann's speculations about the Hepburn-Tracy relationship are also based on nothing substantial. He had no access to either of their personal documents, whereas Curtis did and he presents the relationship as a romantic one (publishing letters, diary entries (brief, but still telling), records of international phone calls, and comments from people who saw them together along the way). ST and KH weren't together much in the 1950s, and it's likely that the relationship was pretty platonic towards the end - but they lived together and were devoted to one another at that point, as several witnesses confirmed. The possibility of them being bisexual isn't insulting, but the suggestion that their relationship was a lie is another matter. 
:I wonder if Mann still believed Bowers when, five years later, he went on to publish a load of stuff about Kate being with women that he had neglected to tell him...As for Gore Vidal, I don't believe he knew either Kate or Spencer so he has no business confirming this stuff. --Loeba (talk) 18:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mann Biography & Bowers 

message: An Ip editor has twice now removed referenced material as hearsay and unsupportable. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spencer_Tracy&diff=649851129&oldid=649697610  Obviously the material is supproted, the IP is invited to provide evidence the references have been falsified or there is a competing interpretation. μηδείς (talk) 20:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing referenced material 

message: His death in 1967 is mentioned twice in the lead and three times in the infobox (or four, if you count the years active parameter). This strikes me as unnecessary. DrKay (talk) 17:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The marriage template used here is supposed to give the end date of the marriage and the reason for the end of the marriage. For people such as Spencer Tracy and Abraham Lincoln, the end date of the marriage is the date of death of the person. For others, it may be divorce, annulment, the death of the spouse, etc. For that reason, using the date of death in the template and the reason=death really isn't duplicative. 32.218.47.115 (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The template does not say that the marriage ended in 1967. It says he died in 1967. The wording "until his death" would indicate the end of the marriage but the wording "his death" is not explanatory. DrKay (talk) 18:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Then change the wording, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 32.218.47.115 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication of death year 

message: Someone wrote to Wikimedia claiming that the word "clump" sourced to page 402 of "Hepburn, Katharine (1991). Me: Stories of My Life. Alfred A. Knopf. ." should really be "thump".
I checked Google books but while some pages are shown page 402 is not included in my preview. Could someone who has access to the book confirm whether the current wording is correct or if it should be changed?--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging  who added the word, although they aren't all that active recently.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologies for the delay. My books are in storage right now so I can't check, but I'm pretty sure I must have copied it correctly...especially as the word comes up twice. Hepburn did use unusual words sometimes. Loeba (talk) 13:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Good news. A new search uncovered this, confirming "clump". --S Philbrick(Talk) 13:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible word error 

message: This is mentioned in the Judy Garland article but isn't in here anywhere: "She was raped by Spencer Tracy at the age of fourteen, when she was unable to legally consent to the affair."https://nypost.com/2016/02/01/meet-the-sleeze-bag-agent-who-inspired-the-new-coen-bros-movie/http://filmstarfacts.com/2015/07/18/judy-garland-a-victim-of-mgms-greed/ Perhaps we can discuss adding it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flymat (talk • contribs) 18:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither source says rape and neither says she was below the age of consent. This is original research by synthesis unless we find a source that actually states it explicitly. DrKay (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judy Garland 

message: According to Vanity Fair, he had sex with men for money - that is, he paid for the sex.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/07/scotty-and-the-secret-history-of-hollywood-cary-grant-katharine-hepburn
That's a reliable source, as is NPR and the many other sources reporting on this recently and in the past. Why isn't it mentioned in his article? The most effectual Bob Cat (talk) 13:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This sort of content should always be balanced against sources that say it's improbable: "James Curtis ... dismisses Mr. Mann's account of Hepburn's and Tracy's sexuality, characterizing Mr. Bowers as unreliable. 'Bowers is full of glib stories and revelations, all cheerfully unverifiable'." "Curtis went on to say: 'There is no hint of homosexual activity in the Tracy papers nor in anything I have seen or learned elsewhere during the course of researching this book.'" DrKay (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexuality 

message: Please add 1957 The Actress to his filmography Gursel Ali (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing film in filmography