Talk:North Macedonia/Archive 8

message: Please do not shout and call each other thieve or lier.
We need to be faithful to reality and not our hopes for nationalistic victory. It is not a matter of 'votes', or how much of their position  Macedonians have spread, as I said the one that shouts more
and fills the internet with opinions is not also RIGHT. 
The official name, the one recognised by International Organisations, should be at least mentioned in the first lines. If not is just hiding the truth. I do not say that we should put ONLY FYROM, just to put BOTH, how simpler and fairer can it be? 
Bitola, be reasonable, this is ENCYCLOPAEDIA not nationalistic forum.
I feel really sorry for your country that is not accepted by the name they chose, but this is beyond the point.
We could also make the 'Former Yug Rep Of Maced' to link with 'name dispute'. Let's change it. 12:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HEY YOU LOST THE POINT 

message: After seeing that a lot editors were reverting each other, the subtitle of an image, I have written under the 1981 census "Ethnic map of the (back then "Yugoslav Federal Socialist"-) Republic of Macedonia, based on the sensus of 1981" and I've thought that would be acceptable by all sides. It seems that some editors prefer an anachronism, but I'm not in the mood of reverting them - I hope they'll correct their mistake soon. talk to +MATIA 13:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, maybe we should remove the map, I think it is outdated. Bitola 13:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1981 

message: I have reverted the edits of  for the following reasons:
*It's a blatant copy-paste (not a copyright infringement or plagiarism) and looks bad.
*It's irrelevant to this article. If it is agreed that this section should be kept, it belongs on Macedonians (ethnic group), not here.
*I looks suspiciously like propaganda. I've heard that about those widely discredited theories on the "sub-Saharan" origins of the Greeks. More akin to pseudoscience than what should be written in an encyclopaedia.
--Latinus (talk (el:)) 23:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These were discussed thoroughly before. One may go to Talk:Macedonia (region)/Archive 1#HLA Genes research and read till the buttom of the page. talk to +MATIA 23:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers! We now have Genes in macedonians - I can't say that the things started good enough. talk to +MATIA 00:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No wonder why this user dissappeared from wikipedia! Probably he/she had vanishing chromosomes! NikoSilver 01:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Ancientmacedon]]'s edits 

message: - oh wait, but.... Chaldean 02:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Macedonian Tomb Found 

message: In the past few weeks I was pretty much involved in lengthy discussions about the so-called Macedonian question. During that period, using different reliable sources, I was trying to explain why Greeks are making a big mistake regarding my country and my people. Their theory that we are using a name that is Greek property is mistaken from the very beginning; regarding the fact that considerable number of historians is telling that the Ancient Macedonians were different people from the Ancient Greeks. Even if that is not true, it is really funny that some country is forcing another country to change its name for the things happened several thousands years before.  Ancient Macedonians and Ancient Greeks are for a long time dead, thanks God we are alive, but we are wasting our time and energy on this meaningless issue for years.  This Greek obsession is also wrong regarding the fact that one of the basic human rights is the right of self-determination, in other words, the right to freely express your nationality and your name. If someone is feeling that he is a Macedonian, Greek, American or every other choice, leave him, you shouldn't stop him in his determination. Finding nicknames that are insulting (what they are doing all the time) is, by my opinion, horrible. We should all be proud that we inherited, if not more, the territory where these famous people once lived and made a history.  But, obviously, it is hard to explain to someone something when he doesn't want to listen.  For that reason, I will try to minimize my discussions about the Macedonian question for some time. I do not intend to explain to every new narrow-minded nationalist why he shouldn't act like that.  This time I would like to thank to several moderate Greek editors (like E Pluribus Anthony, Politis and Michalis Farmelis) for their reasonable and non-insulting way of discussing things and to all other editors who are expressing good faith regarding the Macedonian articles. Of course, I will not stop to make my contributions to Wikipedia (and to revert some bad-faith edits as well:)) So long, catch you later! Bitola 23:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your question, but as I already told, I will not discuss this issue anymore. Thanks. Bitola 18:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macedonian question 

message: As a history student and someone up to date with contemporary politics i find it frightening how this great Wikipedia we all know and love could have fallen victim to FYROM propagandists.  If in doubt, do not take the Greek side or the FYROM - take the UN, EU, NATO, UEFA, FIFA and everyother organisation of the world side and use the name FYROM. Don't give into the Greeks and don't give into the Slavs, fall back on international law editors, this page is a disgrace living //
:Sad... Anyway, why don't you sign yourself? --Realek 04:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting thing - this "history student who loves wikipedia" 195.93.21.133 made about 100 edits  before he expressed his disgust here, and most of them were reverted because of vandalism. The edits that he made were mostly minor, sometimes he changed only 1 letter, wich leads to the conclusion that he was doing it to gain a voting priviledge. Dear 195.93.21.133, at least we  agree on the title you have put. --Realek 04:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before jumping into conclusions, it looks like the IP is from a dynamic pool, so chances are multiple persons were editing. FunkyFly 05:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, 195.93.21.133 was persistant in making minor vandal changes, during his "career". It seems certain that it's the same person. --Realek 05:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Instead of judging his edits,why don't u say anything about his/her comment?afterall,he/she did not say anything untrue...--Hectorian 04:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hectorian, are you 195.93.21.133 by any chance? --Realek 04:54, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are u accusing me for been?No!i am not using sockpuppets,other users may do(i guess u got what i mean)...And if u do not believe me ask for an IP check.btw,make a comment about what he/she said,if u do not mind.--Hectorian 05:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No I was not acusing you, I just asked. I understand it's wikipedia policy to confront sockpuppets and you almost instanteniously defendet him - so I was right to ask you. And since you insist that I make a comment about his/her worthless post, here it is: 195.93.21.133's post was irational and in a bad taste. --Realek 05:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I defended noone.in fact i had seen his/her edit long before u made yours.but i had nothing to respond,untill u replied to him.and u did not really comment on his edit...he stated some facts(and u cannot deny it) --Hectorian 05:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is sad that even someone like 195.93.21.133 would be defended. Anyway I said what I had to say on this matter and I consider arguing about this any more to be a pure waste of time. For me this discussion is over. --Realek 05:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As u wish.For the record,i defended the accuracy of the comment,not user 195.93.21.133 him/herself.--Hectorian 05:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disgusted 

message: ==FYROMian falsification of own Bulgarian identity(nr.1)
:Dictionary in 4 languages 1802:
:The languages are Greek, Vlach, Bulgarian and Albanian. 
:NOT "(in Macedonian, Greek, Vlach and Albanian)" 
*http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa1903.htm
:Vergina/Macedonia 06:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[FYROM|FYROMian]] Identity falsification

message: This has no place here but you started it so I will add my comments:
*It's hard to belive that it's a library computer because it's hard to belive that someone will spend a whole day in a library just to insult Macedonians.
*The "contributions" made from that IP have been pretty consistant: minor vandalisms, addind single letters, duplicating stuff, editing then reverting... (leads to the conclusion that 50+ edits were pursued)
*After all this the user pretends he doesn't know the basics of wikipedia and asks for technical help from other users (a transparent attempt to avoid a conclusion that he might be a sockpuppet)
--Realek 23:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never insulted any macedonian, and have many Greek friends and when I said I will not do Greece any favours it does not mean I hate them - If any macedonian is reading I believe Greece is probably right here (in this issue of FYROM) so take no offence.  As for the Slavs on this site - I give up.  Think whatever you want, I should be working now anyway - goodluck on distorting Wiki and Greek history. For the record I have never edited a page on here in my life, only discussed on discussion topics and it seems realtec or whatever has not noticed his estimate of how many edits I have done has gone up since he last quoted them by exactly how many posts I have made here.  Apparently they are edits too? pointless arguing anyway, bye bye. Reaper7 23:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you changed your tactics after I exposed you! --Realek 23:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: FYI this is the block log of 195.93.21.130, and this is for Reaper7. Currently 195... is blocked for 24 hours, starting from 23:26, March 26, 2006 (meaning the library IP is blocked until late tonight). The same does not apply for Reaper7 (meaning the user can log on from a different IP and edit normally). However, I strongly advise Reaper7 to refrain from bad language towards other users, or he can be blocked for that also (read WP:NPA). Reaper7, please take your time to read the wikipedia policies and guidelines as they appear in your welcome message in your talk page. You will be able to edit from that library only after tonight. If you have any questions click here to message me.  NikoSilver  (T)@(C) 12:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You --Realek 09:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How hypocritical of you my friend. FunkyFly 15:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk to the mirror!. Have you even looked at the links??? The links you provide are for two reverts I made agains greek vandalism, by an obvious sockpuppet using different IPs. The sockpuppet that vandalised those pages was promptly blocked by administrators. Ofcourse I claimed minor edits, what do you expect in such a case??? On the other hand you remove and add whole paragraphs without any concent from anybody from Macedonia or neutral for that matter and you claim minor edit! I'm sure it's against wikipedia rules - I'll look it up. On top of that you acuse me of hypocricy. You really should talk to a mirror, like I said. --Realek 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Reaper7 

message: So who has been falsely claiming minor edits? FunkyFly 03:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You --Realek 09:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How hypocritical of you my friend. FunkyFly 15:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk to the mirror!. Have you even looked at the links??? The links you provide are for two reverts I made agains greek vandalism, by an obvious sockpuppet using different IPs. The sockpuppet that vandalised those pages was promptly blocked by administrators. Ofcourse I claimed minor edits, what do you expect in such a case??? On the other hand you remove and add whole paragraphs without any concent from anybody from Macedonia or neutral for that matter and you claim minor edit! I'm sure it's against wikipedia rules - I'll look it up. On top of that you acuse me of hypocricy. You really should talk to a mirror, like I said. --Realek 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edits