Talk:John Amaechi

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message: A number of websites state Amaechi is in the NBA hall of fame, and in an interview with the BBC (Hard Talk, on News 24) both he and the interviewer seem to claim the same.  But hoophall.com doesn't list him:  is there some other hall of fame, or different categories therein?  Alai 03:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont see how its possible since there is no "NBA Hall of Fame." Nick81aku 05:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the quotes in the above might usefully be moved around, since if I knew the Precise, Official Title of whatever "hall of fame" might be being referred to (in for example these pages , , , ), I wouldn't have had to ask the question in such an open-ended fashion.  Does anyone know what's being referred to, or are these all wildly inaccurate?  Alai 07:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I didnt mean to be a Smart Alec about it (sorry) - It's actually a good question since about all of those sources refer to him being in the NBA Hall of Fame.  Anyway, what the articles are referring to is the Basketball Hall of Fame.  And no, he wasnt inducted into the basketball hall of fame as a exceptionally skilled player either (as those articles lead one to believe). Instead, he has a sort of "unofficial" spot (like many other people do for various one-time accomplishments) simply for being the player to score the first NBA points of the millennium.  (your first reference) Nick81aku 18:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I wasn't clear about:  whether it was the BHoF (which doesn't seem to list him), some other HoF listing, or as you say, some sort of annex/honourable mention.  Doesn't seem like he should be in the category or the list article, certainly, and I'm not quite sure how to word any mention of this in the text. If you or anyone else has any ideas on that...  Alai 00:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is something in the Hall of Fame involving him since he was the player who scored the first points in the year 2000 which is for one reason or another considered by the Basketball Hall of Fame to be the first points of the Millennium (2001 would be the first year of the new Millennium since they didn't start counting at 0). That's what's being reffered to. It's deceptive since he is not a hall of fame player, there is just a mention of him scoring the first points of the 2000s just as someone else mentioned. I think it's kind of a shady way to draw attention to his announcement and his book since casual fans might not know the difference. I also just noticed Nick81aku answered the question as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MysteriousMystery (talk • contribs) 05:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MysteriousMystery is right. He was by all accounts a mediocre journeyman player who only averaged more than 10 points a game once. He's not close to being in any Hall of Fame. He was just a subpar player who is getting recognition now for coming out of the closet. Nothing wrong with him getting publicity as he is the first former NBA player to come out of the closet but if you go by the objective statistics he was average at best: Quadzilla99 09:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: I don't know this to be true, but supposedly he's going to annouce that he's gay on Valentines day on an ESPN show.  This is a huge story for sports and the first of it's kind for the NBA.  I was reported on Outsports.com and Perezhilton.com.  Just a thought that someone might want to add. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.232.119.132 (talk) 04:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who knows basketball at all knows he was a medicore player at best, see his career stats: It's so funny now that he has come out of the closet people who know nothing about baskeball are saying he was a real good player which makes even casual fans laugh when they look at his stats. Then they call those people a homophobe, all this for a guy who averaged more than 10 points a game once and never averaged more than 3.3 rebounds a game which is awful for a center. He was a journeyman NBA player who is significant solely because he was the first NBA player who came out of the closet. Which is definitely important but the facts are he wasn't a very good player. Quadzilla99 09:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: His web site has him listed at 6' 9" and 280 lb., does anyone have a problem changing that?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.141.130.97 (talk) 19:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: Here's the ESPN article that was written about his recent coming out (pre-Hardaway comments): ESPN The Magazine: Free to be himself; also an ESPN article on his initial coming out: Amaechi becomes first NBA player to come out.  ESPN's part of the group publishing his book, so it's no surprise they're a ready source of information. --Bobak 19:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: Can somebody provide a source for the recent addition that, before coming out, Amaechi was "best known" for turning down a $17 Million offer from the Lakers? Or even a source that he was offered $17 and turned it down? Thanks! — Malik Shabazz | Talk 23:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The the ESPN artical "Free to be himself" as linked earlier makes such a claim as to the money.  As to the claim that he is best known for it, I don't know if that was ever true but I think it will be safe to say that it will no longer be true Leftus 23:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! I'll add the reference in the article. (By the way, the "best known" sentence begins "before coming out, Amaechi was best known ...") — Malik Shabazz | Talk 23:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes it does: "He turned down the chance to play with Shaq and Kobe and a six-year, $17 million contract (read: lifetime security) because staying for far less money with the Orlando team that discovered him was the right thing to do." I'm not sure if he was ever "best known" for that, though. Zagalejo^^^ 04:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: It is definitely important to the article, but why not move it out of the first paragraph and expand on it later after the initial stub paragraph?  I'd hate to see people infer that that is all there is to John Amaechi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.239.216 (talk) 12:26, March 7, 2007
: The first paragraph of a biography is intended to be a brief summary of the article, with an emphasis on who Amaechi is and why he is important. Amaechi's sexuality certainly isn't the most important thing about him, but his "coming out" is one of the unique things that makes him more notable than many other basketball players. The first sentence describes his career (former NBA player who works as a broadcaster). If you think there are other important facts about Amaechi that should be mentioned in the first paragraph, go ahead and add them. — Malik Shabazz | Talk 17:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Amaechi was born in America (not Africa as his mother has fled the Biafra war before he was born) and spent his childhood in Britain. There appears to be no evidence that he identifies himself as "African-American". I propose that categories that claim he is African-American are removed. Fæ (talk) 06:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If Amaechi doesn't self-identify as African-American, I agree that we shouldn't put him in those categories. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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