Talk:Somali Armed Forces

message: I saw that the numbers of troops and percentage of territory overrun listed in this section of the Ogaden War contradict the numbers listed on the Ogaden War page itself. --Petercorless 07:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ogaden War Factcheck Needed

message: I took out periods from acronyms.
Ex:
*I.C.U --> ICU
*A.R.P.C.T. --> ARPCT
*U.S. --> US
Also made citations to the main articles on the ongoing Civil War as well as the Second Battle of Mogadishu
--Petercorless 07:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-Up 

message: There is more information available under the Somali Civil War articles, and I did not want to see a maintenance of multiple sources. Also, the entry suffered from POV arguments and was obsolete at this time (post Battle of Baidoa). --Petercorless 10:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expunged entry on ICU-ARPCT-TFG conflict

message: I assume that militia leader Maxamed Saaiid Xersi was the same as militia leader Saiid Maxamed Xirsi. If the latter was a different person it would be an extraordinary coincidence that two people with the same background and almost the identical name exist. Especially because one of the two was never heard of before today. But truth is stranger than fiction.S710 18:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an interesting point. At first, I too thought mention of "Said Mohamed Hirsi" was also General "Morgan" (Mohammed Said Hersi Morgan). I even had it linked at first. Then I removed the link. There are many people with similar names in the country. For instance, "Hussein Mohamed Farrah Aidid" is not the same as "Mohamed Farrah Aidid." One was the father, the other his son. If you can provide a definitive reference to whether this truly is General "Morgan," or simply someone with a similar name, that would be critical. Otherwise, I'd prefer not to make the assumption General "Morgan" is now returned and fighting with the TFG. Let's get verification before we leap to a conclusion. --Petercorless 19:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as a followup, here's an example of a "false positive" for "Mohammed Hersi" in the news. This was a man whose relative was eaten by hyenas: Somalia: Hyenas Eat Two Women in Central Somalia Again, these names and variations on them are very common in Somalia. --Petercorless 19:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xirsi is Xersi 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXIZDCmH2Mw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-6VprKVp8k —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.80.207.4 (talk) 09:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Somali army before the civil war

message: I believe it is important to list the issue of child soldiers, though I agree that it is not the TFG policy. I placed it under the militia entry instead, as both the ICU and other warlords recruited child soldiers. --Petercorless 15:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Child soldiers

message: In the history section is the following statement: "The best king to ever come across somalia was Abdalla who to this day still lives. Age 19".  This seems to have no relevance to the article. Departso 02:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement out of context? 

message: Come on, it was a funny joke and you know it...--Metallurgist (talk) 13:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this an article? 

message: Hello, I think that some funny guy tried to transform the somali airforce from non-existence to the most powerful in Africa :D . I really doubt that they have 233 AH-64 and 766 F-15. I think that it should be investigated by someone who has some good sources about the air arm of this country. I also tried to restore the NPOV of the history section. Some user added pro-Somalia and anti-soviet statements, but I think that  my modifications were somewhat messy and I'm sorry for that if it's the case.(Kovlovsky (talk) 04:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somali Air Force : Weird number of aircrafts 

message: There is no way that the Somali army has 200,000 men. The War in Somalia 2009- article lists the TFG's troop strength at 6,000. These articles contradict each other and the War in Somalia number is almost certainly the more correct one.
--Nogburt (talk) 01:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of the Somali Military 

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message: I've now located my copy of Ramsbotham and Woodhouse and no citation is given for the claim on page 222 that 'first with Soviet and later with U.S. assistance, Barre was able to build Africa's largest army.' I believe this to be incorrect (my guess is that somewhere there was a typo and they actually meant to mean second largest or something of the sort). The figures below from the IISS Military Balance state the estimates from the early 1980s, when U.S. assistance began:
*1979-80: Ethiopia: 215,000 ; Somalia: 45,000 + 20,000 militia
*1981-82: Ethiopia: 225,000 inc 150,000 militia ; Somalia: 60,000
*1982-83: Ethiopia: 244,500 inc 150,000 militia ; Somalia: 60,000 
The trend continues, and on the basis of this, and the unlikelihood of Somalia having an army larger than Egypt, Algeria, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Nigeria, I intend to remove this sentence within two weeks, unless anyone objects. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest army in Africa

message: In accordance with the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Citation guidance, I would like to ask you, again, to stop reinserting the leaders section in Somali Armed Forces without citations. Other editors at WT:MILHIST have described this as 'disruptive editing'. Please desist, or, in according with WP:Disruptive editing, my next move will be to WP:ANI. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Independent cites for the leaders/commanders are already in the link-thrus (not wiki text or mirrors). That's where Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue comes in. At any rate, I'm not going to waste any further time over this nonsense. The leaders have been restored, with citations. Middayexpress (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, as I myself have been advised, take the time to read WP:CIRCULAR. Your argument is procedurally invalid. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:CIRCULAR]]

message: Per the U.S. government, the Somali Armed Forces in 1981 had six SM-1019 single-engine training, observation, and light attack aircraft on order or being delivered from their country of manufacture in Italy . Middayexpress (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: SM-1019

message: The 5th Brigade and 6th Brigade SNA units that were alluded to in the Garowe Online piece on a skirmish in Lower Shabelle turned out not to be SNA troops. Raxanreeb later clarified that the fighters were in fact militiamen dressed in military uniforms, as Al-Shabaab et al. are sometimes known to do . Chief of Army Dahir Adan Elmi discusses the uniform issue in a recent interview ("Military uniforms are sold [illegally] in the markets[...] If any person who is dressed like a soldier causes problems, it cannot be blamed on the military" ). The 2012 Otago piece on the SNA units is also outdated and does not reflect the current reality in 2014. As Elmi explains, he and other SNA leaders have since their appointment focused on organizing and professionalizing the military's structure, including creating new numbered units and implementing a biometric registration system for each actual soldier ("We have created numbered [units] for the army. Now we are working to make sure that the soldiers' name and unit are placed on all uniforms. Some of the other things we have succeeded in doing include taking a picture of and fingerprinting each soldier who recently finished training and was given weapons so that we can track them if a soldier deserts with the weapon.") . Middayexpress (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: SNA brigades

message: I've removed the redundant and undue weight material on the 2007/2008 insurgency. For starters, the TFG material is off-topic and easily refutable; this article is on the Armed Forces. The rest was material that I had replaced earlier with more neutral and balanced text explaining in context when and why Puntland forces were recruited into the TFG army, and the exact chain of events in the ensuing Mogadishu insurgency of 2007/2008 per HRW. Additionally, the claim attributed to one Hansen that "in 2010, the Ugandan and Burundian AMISOM forces were the only barrier to Al-Shabaab's total victory in the south of Somalia" and that the "TFG forces simply did not function, most of the units that were trained defected" is not fact but rather one fellow's opinion. It's also belied by EUTM Somalia, which indictates that "the EUTM-trained units were included in the core of SNSF's combat units (the fifth and sixth brigades), which played a key role in the fight against Al Shabaab, for example in Mogadishu and Afgoye", and that "the vast majority of the soldiers trained by EUTM continued to serve with their units after returning to Somalia[...] the EU reported an approximately 10 per cent post-training drop-out rate" .Middayexpress (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007/2008 Mogadishu insurgency

message: I've restored the Commandos and Special Forces material that was removed for no apparent reason. Unlike the Mogadishu insurgency allegations, it is not non-neutral nor does it duplicate out of context anything already in the text. These units are also important parts of the SNA and its rebuilding process. Middayexpress (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Commandos and Special Forces

message: I've structured the SAF's 1981 equipment per the LOC's Table 21, including the footnotes . Fitzgerald likewise indicates that the SAF had disbanded. The SNA's total strength should be noted first, then its constituent units. Additionally, the March 2013 brigade enumeration was provided by an AMISOM official. EUTM Somalia also indicates that
coordination with AMISOM has ammeliorated. Per the EASF, it was established in April 2005 as a constituent organization of the African Standby Force, following the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding on the Establishment of the Eastern Africa Standby Force (MOU) . Middayexpress (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: SAF equipment, SNA strength, EASF

message: The United States and France governments just announced that they will start training the Somali National Army . Middayexpress (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. & France training

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In Mogadishu, Hawiye residents resented the Islamic Courts Union's defeat.(dead link)?,They distrusted the TFG, which was at the time dominated by individuals from the Darod clan, believing that it was dedicated to the advancement of Darod interests in lieu of the Hawiye. Additionally, they feared reprisals for massacres committed in 1991 in Mogadishu by Hawiye militants against Darod civilians, and were dismayed by Ethiopian involvement. Critics of the TFG likewise charged that its federalist platform was part of a plot by the Ethiopian government to keep Somalia weak and divided.[79] During its first few months in the capital, the TFG was initially restricted to key strategic points, with the large northwestern and western suburbs controlled by Hawiye rebels.[80] In March 2007, President Ahmed announced plans to forcibly disarm militias in the city.@ ‎user:Buckshot06" as you are major contributor of this article isn't this broader context is more suitable on [Transitional Federal Government] as its do more about politics than army and if may i suggest the page looks long and boring for average reader if i you could improve by summarizing with all these little details on transitional and federal (it's like news on Oct 2007 on Nov 2008) will be good, thank you.  Somajeeste (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not suggest to me or anyone else that 'long and boring' pages need to be improved by summarising 'all these little details.' Wikipedia is about detailed descriptions of what actually went on, well referenced. You do not need to read or edit these pages if you do not wish to read about the history. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: forget about my suggestion, if the '"well referenced history'" moved to military history would've been good. but I still think much of these details have more to do with politics than army, cheers.Somajeeste (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Transitional

message: "Sept 06.1963 the Commander of Somali National Army Major Gen. Da'ud Abdulle Hersi (Feynuus) was traveling to Moscow to set up Military Cooparetion between soviet union & Somali Republic, Gen. Da'ud also visit Somali Embassy in Moscow with Ambassador Dr. Ahmed (Qaybe)"
https://twitter.com/najiib_ismail/status/1107679523640872960 Buckshot06 (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commander SNA 1963 

message: : Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 17:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also note that the pictures you uploaded to Commons are in danger of being deleted because they do not have copyright information attached. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 May 2019 

message: Since its inception in 1960, the Somali Army has been consistent in its formal wear and its summer wear. For its formal wear, the army deploys a khaki service uniform which consists of a blazer with gold buttons, a shirt, a gold/khaki tie (which can be opted out for the Somali blue for significant events such as Independence Day or the two Eids), shoulder boards which has the rank insignia shown on them, black formal shoes and a coloured beret which indicates the purpose of their division (ie. Maroon/Red for Presidential Guard, Black for Logistics etc.) and for new graduates and officers alike, they may opt for a peaked cap with the armed forces insignia on it (pictured).
The summer wear is the more common variant of the standard Somali Army uniform, as Somalia is on the equator and the nation can reach extremely high temperatures. The uniform itself is also a khaki uniform and consists of a khaki shirt with gold buttons and trousers but has combat boots instead of more formal footwear, often, there is no traditional shoulderboard so servicemen and women attach the insignia pins to the epaulette, due to this, they can strap their berets under the epaulette when not in use. 
 Iamveryshy22 (talk) 17:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also note that the pictures you uploaded to Commons are in danger of being deleted because they do not have copyright information attached. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform 

message: Under the heading ===== Strength and units ===== add the following due to lack of images of the DANAB commandos and the section on the commandos is brief and should be accompanied by images to let the article viewer have a better understanding of the DANAB commandos. 
 Iamveryshy22 (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: --MrClog (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2019 

message: To the section headed  ===== Army Weaponry And Equipment c. 2017 ===== could you guys add AK-74 (Assault Rifle) and PM Makarov (Pistol) as those firearms are still in the SNA's inventory and are being actively used Iamveryshy22 (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 15:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2019 

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message: Yo guys, i've studied the somali armed forces and i can't really find accurate battle dress and combat fatigues they deploy, could someone add them? much thanks, iamveryshy22  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamveryshy22 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of the uniforms, also missing combat fatigues and camoflage 

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message: For example, the SNA does not own a single tank, whereas several clan militias possess multiple tanks, mostly acquired after the collapse of Siad Barre's militia in 1991. Author correspondence with FGS official, 2 November 2015. - Paul D. Williams, "AMISOM Under Review", RUSI Journal, Vol 161 Issue 1 February 2016, p.49. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Only tanks in Somalia owned by clan militias, 2015

message: you have attempted to revert my removal of Galmudug in the states' military listings. I have previously warned you about remaining with data backed by WP:RELIABLE sources. Galmudug may have maintained unified military or security forces in the past, though that is not certain; but the problem is your addition of the present tense. After a struggle of months, the Federal Government, led by Faarmajo and especially PM Kheyre ("N&N") have successfully squashed ASWJ, and Qoor Qoor is in relatively undisputed control. But the situation is still very uncertain and fighting has recently occurred between NISA bodyguards of Qoor Qoor and remnants of ASWJ (about 11 March). So if you wish to retain any mention of Galmudug forces on this page, you will need to bring solid, reliable sources that at the present moment, such Galmudug forces *exist*. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 06:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A citation that deals with the political transfer of power between Presidents of Galmudug, past or current, does not provide a WP:RELIABLE source that any such entity known as the 'Galmudug Security Force' (or other such name) exists at this moment. The only thing the story mentions is 'a local militia', referring to ASWJ. Neither does having a man who is claimed to be the former commander pictured behind the former President. If you wish to justify claiming any Galmudug security force currently exists under that name or any other, you need to provide a reliable source about the security/military force - not the president. Otherwise I will remove any such mentions. Buckshot06 (talk) 10:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

text: You have not provided a reliable source for the force's existence in 2020, "Why would it not exist", referring to Galmudug forces, from  simply doesn't serve as such a source for WP:Verifiability purposes, and thus I will remove the mention at this article. Just to be clear, I mentioned the fighting between ASWJ and FGS because it probably involved or affected the various clan militias in the area, and definitely would have had some effect on 'Galmudug security forces' if they existed. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galmudug security or military forces 

message: Barre became Chief of Staff, and then SAF commander; General Mohammad Ali Samatar became Chair, Peace and Security Committee, in December 1974 while remaining commandant of the Army and Secretary of State for Defence, while Brigadier General Abdalla Mohamed Fail was Samatar's deputy, and First Vice-Commandant of the Army (U.S. Embassy Mogadishu, 0rg/plusd/cables/1974MOGADI01791_b.html 'Somali Government Changes,', 1974MOGADI01791, 7 December 1974). (Note imported from article). Buckshot06 (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commanders in the 1970s 

message: Its closee to 250 000 then 15 00. 2A02:AA1:1008:F317:1:1:5EB3:C94D (talk) 05:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somalias army size isn't 15.000 

message: waxaa difaacayaa dalka 41.114.168.241 (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waxaa cod Sanaa kamid noqoshada ciidanka xooga dalka 

message: "Military and security service personnel strengths
estimates vary; approximately 20,000 regular military personnel (2023)
note 1: in January 2023, the Somali Government said the SNA would have 24,000 trained and equipped troops by 2024; it aims to also have about 40,000 police
note 2: as of 2022, there were estimates of up to 50,000 militia forces operating in the country"
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/somalia/#military-and-security
Buckshot06 (talk) 13:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA estimates of numbers 2024