Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 13

message: As stated before, I've been working on Snorunt for a while now, and I think its gone from drab to fab, so to speak. However, I'm still not totally sure if its ready to be nominated for GA yet or not. Opinions anyone? Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 23:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and took the plunge. Let's see if the PCP can get another GA soon. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 21:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominating [[Snorunt]] for GA?

message: What the fuck were all discussions archived for? I thought the request was that inactive discussions be archived. I agree that archiving via move is a good method, but active discussions should be copied back after. That’s one of the reasons I introduced  to this page. --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: Heads up, guys and gals. Esteemed web author* Kristofer Straub has created a storm by having an article about his own webcomic (unfairly) deleted using sockpuppets. An angry, Wikipedia-hating reader of Mr. Straub’s blog/canvas Halfpixel.com has threatened to mass AfD all the Pokémon articles. So everybody prepare, keep an eye out, and if anyone has a collection of links to previous MegaAfD/VfDs, please provide them here.
:*I just want to clarify that despite the problems he is causing, Straub is awesome, and none of the praise in this comment was sarcasm. --WikidSmaht (talk) 20:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if webcomic authors didn't make ridiculous claims and rant and rave in their blogs, the internet would stop working. I don't expect anything of substance to come of it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that it wasn’t Straub who threatened the Pokémon articles, it was another reader, who, as far as I can tell, is a prolific professional author, but has never drawn any webcomics. You may be right that it’s all blustery talk though. Still found it worth mentioning. Let’s keep an eye on AfD for a few days to make sure nothing materializes. --WikidSmaht (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I seriously doubt anything'll happen (it read more like sarcasm than a threat, to me) - but then again, it never did hurt to keep an eye out. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heads up

message: I hope you guys don't mind, but I added the WikiProject:Nintendo template to the pokemon wikiProject template. Since all pokemon articles fall under WP:nintendo, it made sense to include both as one as opposed to having two seperate templates on each page. Also, if anyone wants to evaluate for the Nintendo WikiProject, all you do is put |Class=? in there and it is easy. Thanks for the time, Scorpion 22:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah i noticed that... no prob here, makes total sense :) -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 23:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Byss07 has decided to tag all the articles for both Nidoran lines for deletion, for the charge of "gamecruft"…any plans on what to do? I can only think he thinks this because they're "male" and "female" counterparts, but the games define them as separate species.—ウルタプ 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to state the obvious, but, how ’bout we just remove the Prod tags? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 05:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, AMIB untagged the Nidoran articles, and I did their evolutions. --WikidSmaht (talk) 05:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Totally agreed. :D (hates cruft-calling) Toastypk 23:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nidoran articles tagged 

message: I've nominated List of Pokémon references or spoofs for deletion. Please discuss it here. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 22:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New AfD Nomination 

message: For those of you who never have seen :Category:Pokémon images, we've had approx. 1000+ images tagged with .  This makes categorization superfluous because it's not useful in any way.  This is similar to the large number of photos that get added to :Category:Nintendo screenshots (, :Category:Screenshots of video games , and :Category:Screenshots of television .  In order to not only organize ourselves, but also help these associated categories, i've created new subcats to hopefully replace all instances of  or at least prune downn the parent category to a usable size, and also remove them from the ambiguity of their related categories (e.g.  belongs to both :Category:Nintendo screenshots and :Category:Pokémon images so we only need one tag and the image is adequately categorized without adding to the bulk of either). -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: moved back from archive b/c was only visible for two days -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 17:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It definitely sounds like a good idea, but what are all the specific subcats? I'd like to at least see what they all are, to see if there are any that could be added or removed, or if there are any that are vague enough that they would be able to cover any miscellaneous images. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 18:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sweet :) I'll probably put in some work later and re-teg some images. And you're right, I don't see an point in keeping [[tl|pokeimage}}, but I'd keep it until we've converted most or all of the images, just in case. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image categories 

message: I thought I'd let you guys know that Battle Frontier has been nominated for deletion here.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 02:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we compress it (i.e., shorter, simpler explanations of each facility instead of what's there now) then merge it to either Hoenn or Pokémon Emerald. (How does this get AFD'd and not Battle Tower? >>)—ウルタプ 02:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder, if all of us had started out on our quest for Pokemon coverage at Wikipedia years ago without any Pokeprosal to back us up, would we have had about 50+ pages covering 15 Pokemon each instead of 493 individual species articles, 4 Pokemon region articles instead of a hundred pages on locations within those regions, and just one article talking about the anime instead of several additional episode lists? Just some mumbling of what's currently on my mind, that's all... I definitely think we need to do a lot of merging of many Pokemon locations into the main Pokemon regions, because Wikipedia's the general encyclopedia that should appeal to the casual reader, and it should be at Bulbapedia that all the specific pages and info be stored. AFDs to try and delete articles like Battle Frontier and Battler Tower probably isn't as good as merging and redirecting, IMO. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 03:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Regarding the Battle Tower article, that's actually how I came across the Battle Frontier AFD. I was going around fixing redirects for the fourth-generation Pokémon, and Crecelia was still linked as Kureseria at the Battle Tower article. So then I decided to clean that article up, and while I was doing that, I made a link to Battle Frontier, so I clicked it and realized it had been nominated for deletion. Battle Tower still needs cleaning up and references, but I cleaned out most of the unnecessary stuff.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 03:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it should probably go in with Emerald's article, since it wasn't present as part of Hoenn in R/S, and because it's plenty different from the Battle Tower. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 05:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: see... now if you look at the section, this is why i thought it should stay an article on it's own.  There's a lot of information missing (there's not even a link to List of Frontier Brains) like how battling in the frontier is very different than anywhere else in the game, and nothing about it's role in the anime?  Did anyone save it to their userspace before it got trashed?  if not, could CP or AMIB pls retrieve it for me?  If i have to rebuild the article slowly from the section to prove it would legitimately be too long to leave in, i will. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 07:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: p.s. i'm not going to be making a point, the section should hopefully be a marked improvement from the original article and (i presume) will merely end up being too long (only time will tell i suppose). -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 07:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle Frontier AFD notice 

message: I have nominated the PCP-drive template for deletion. I am doing this to improve talk pages. For more information click here. Also please leave your opinion there so that a consensus may be reached. A solution I have for the problem of this template is just to make it possible to add a small message to the main PCP template for our focus pages. I believe this would be an improvement. Funpika 19:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it's not like people would be too interested to see that tag on a talk page anyway.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also I just checked the main project template and there is a focus parameter in it. I just noticed that. So basically the PCP-drive template is 100% unneccesary. Funpika 21:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PCP-drive template deletion notification. 

message: It seems that a lot of articles about things that have been released in English use Japanese names over English names. Anyone want to help find these offenders and fix them? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples? As far as I know, the only ones that do use Japanese names for articles are D/P Pokemon. Most of these have not had English names released, and if there have been reports of such, we cannot confirm them to be true. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 12:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already stated that - I only referred to subjects released in English. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: He means things besides the species articles, Jerichi. I.e., Green (Japan) over Blue (English) for the Special character. (Special over the official English Adventures, too…)—ウルタプ 14:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, ok. I misunderstood. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 21:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean Satoshi over Ash. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah, I just making up an example...Blue/Green and Green/Blue are disputed a lot too...—ウルタプ 14:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was a part of that dispute. I said that it should have been Green, since, IIRC, his "official" name in the remake is Green, not Blue. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this being the English Wikipedia, I'd say it would make more sense to use the English name where applicable. The Green vs. Blue thing... well, I would personally stick to the Blue thing, being the official English name. While I'm all for Japanese names, I think it would be easier for the reader to identify with "Ash" or "Blue" than "Green" or "Satoshi". Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 21:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I'm talking about LeafGreen, which has been released in English though. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, actually, his default name in LeafGreen is Red. Additionally, his default name in Red was Blue, and in Blue, as in the later LeafGreen, it was Red. It is Green in FireRed, but let’s not forget that he was officially known as Blue in the English versions of Gold, Silver, and Crystal. So the final count is Green:1, Red:2, Blue:4. You can’t argue that it was “Green” most recently, because it was “Red” again at the same time. And, let’s not forget that both of those were merely default names for a player-named character. As an already-named NPC, he was Blue each time. Not to mention Pokémon Adventures( the English-language translation of Pocket Monsters SPECIAL, the manga considered to best represent the game world). IF the G/S remakes name the last Gym leader “Green”, and/or they publish additional/reprint volumes of PA calling him Green, then I would concede a need to change. But as it stands, he is most commonly known as Blue in English, by far. --WikidSmaht (talk) 01:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese preference 

message: Our umbrella article is in pretty sad shape at the moment, so I'm going to be doing some rewriting. I've got a scratch page at User:A Man In Black/Pokémon, if anyone would like to help. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it bad? I've long wanted it to be a featured, but it is pretty good right now at the moment, IMO. Toastypk 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I recently read through it and found several cringe-inducing issues with layout; it talked about the four generations as the first section of the article, and some information was not in easy-to-read sections like what I see at the scratch page. The collecting and development sections at the top of the new draft page definitely fit better where they are, IMO. Anyway, I'm considering doing a big write-up of the various sections in AMIB's subpage; it's the least I could do to console him, following the doubtless trauma he must have underwent following the $10 tredecillion legal threat someone post on his talk page. (a tredecillion is 42 zeros. ^_^) Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 20:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pokémon]] rewrite 

message: Spelling is needed in these articles. Also grammar checks and references needed. More Pokemon articles are needed. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) (at war here (screams in the background)) 21:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... more? Why would we need more than our 500-odd? What would they be, anyway? -Amarkov moo! 21:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: isn't there a talk page equivalent to WP:BJAODN?  if so... that would be a great candidate XD -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 01:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk page entries can go into BJAODN.  And by the way, we have about 900 articles under this project.  --Brandon Dilbeck 17:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: i know XD that's what makes it so funny... WE NEED MORE!!!! this right after the wikipedia motto of the day was "Wikipedia: Over 500 articles on a single Japanese cartoon series." the irony is kinda sweet. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 07:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling