Talk:Self-defense

message: Some martial arts (such as Kempo)teach these predefined sequence of moves. For example, when an assalent punches with his right hand, the martial artist has to block with their left hand, step back, with there left arm grab their right hand, stepforward, punch them in the gut, elbow them in the face....etc and the sequence of moves continues based on the assumption that the assalent doesn't fight back. I believe the general name for this is called "self defense", or something simmilar. For this "self defense" I believe an appropriate definition would be: "a predefined order of moves a person is taught to use when attacked in a very particular way". In the United Studio's of Self Defense (http://www.ussd.com/a/) they teach what they call DM-x (where x is a number such as DM-6) and these are particular "self defenses". Please note that this type of self defense I'm talking about does not work in a real sittuation, and only works in martial art classes where the assalents are instructed not to fight back. For the record I'd just like to say that United Studio's of Self Defense is a load of crap and that it's not designed for real life situation.--artist 09:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other usages 

message: Should this page not be called Self-defense (with hyphen)?  I cannot move it myself because the other page is a redirect. --nirvana2013 09:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Self-defense 

message: The art of self defense is to where a person is able to fend off an opposing threat to themself or other people.
This sentence deleted and pasted here for possible revision.--TJ 10:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-edit required 

message: It contains far too many opinions and non-sourced facts.  While I don't mean to be rude I move that this article be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia's article standards.
:I agree... I'd help if i knew anything about martial arts or Wikipedia... 218.215.140.166 18:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is decidedly non-encyclopedic 

message: I don't think "personal alarms" should be included on this page. Self defense by its implication would encompass active measures, not passive. Otherwise we should include sections on "looking both ways before street crossing" or "moving to better neighborhoods" as examples of passive self defense. Merriam-Webster  defines self defense thusly:
"1  : a plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide   2  : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative" 
So "passive self defense" as embodied by including "personal alarms" would seem to be oxymoronic. Such items are mainly signaling devices, not weapons.
Also, "Pepper spray and personal tasers are other personal alarm options that can be used in self-defense in a less passive way, but they are meant as deterrant and emergency measures rather than assault items." (links omited) is self contradictory. A taser or can of pepper spray is not an alarm device & in fact are intended for assault &/or battery (in the pragmatic sense of the terms, not necessarily the legal ones). Mention of pepper spray & tasers should be included under the armed self defense heading, minus the description as "personal alarm options".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketgtr71 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Alarms 

message: - I rewrote the definition of "self-defense".<BR>
- Changed "Forms of Self-Defense" to "Physical Self-Defense" seeing as self-defense isn't always physical, though the article only lists physical forms.<BR>
- Added "Other Forms of Self-Defense" for the sake of organization.
MastaFighta (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made Some Changes 

message: I agree with MastaFighta that there is physical and non-physical methods. I have just added Awareness, Flight, and De-escalation to the "other forms of self-defense" section.
Wsd4life (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Some Non-Physical Methods 

message: I would like to see a legal bit about what is lawful and unlawful self defense. A single act can be interpreted differently. One example my teacher uses is someone attacks you, you knock them out but are afraid they will give chase. Should you kick them in the side while they're down to further incapacitate them or just run away? If it was a healthy young woman, the prosecution may not be so forgiving but if it was an 80 year old, frail lady, I think the juror would be a little more sympathetic. That kind of thing. My teacher also says that you cannot (legally) inflict bodily harm to protect property and I noticed the article mentions defending property. (This changes if, for example, someone is trying to steal your car and your baby is in the backseat, in other words: human life is at stake.) That line about property could get someone in trouble if they read this article and think it's okay to beat up someone stealing the radio out of their car. I suggest it be removed or changed. Quietmartialartist (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Giving a simple answer to this question, unfortunately, is impossible.  Different jurisdictions have radically different self defense law.  In one you might be able to shoot a thief in defense of your property, while in another you might face charges even after defending your life unarmed.  It may be impossible for an encyclopedia to give any specifics.  Elmo iscariot (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The context of Self Defense in Law

message: The article starts out
"Self-defense (or self-defence; see spelling differences) is a countermeasure that involves defending oneself, one's property or the well-being of another from physical harm."
and cites dictionary.com for reference. However, dictionary.com does not mention the defense of others. Either we need another source, or the defense of others should be removed from the article.
:I noticed this too. It should be either sourced or removed. 75.71.20.179 (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defending others 

message: WTF is this sentence for?
"Keep in mind, if you are knowledgeable enough, you should have the common sense to keep something simple on you, like a key, or anything else that you can legally stuff in your pocket and hold onto just in case."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.110.174.128 (talk) 12:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly not encyclopedic information. Removed. --bonadea contributions talk 13:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this an advice column? 

message: Can anyone tell me what happened to the original Wiki article/page for RBSD? It seems someone has deleted the whole page and just dumped a footnote in this page instead (probably a MMA or Bullshido fanatic if previous experience is anything to go by).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.72.19 (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The original RBSD page 

message: Hey all...
Just wanted to put in my two cents on something in the ==Armed== section:
"Everyday objects, such as baseball bats or aerosol spray cans, can also be used as improvised weapons for self-defense, but are not likely to be as effective as purpose built weapons. Some non-lethal weapons as the Kubotan have also been built to resemble everyday objects, such as keychains.[3]"
"[...] but are not likely to be as effective as purpose built weapons." This is POV. A pencil in the eye will do more damage than a baseball bat that misses.
"Some non-lethal weapons [...]" There's no such thing. The proper term is "less-lethal," since weapons that have been designed to subdue have killed (as have unarmed applications).
Much of this article seems to be unnecessary, relates POV, and seems to advertise certain methods of self-defence (for instance, the efficacy of any martial art for the purpose of self-defence is speculation).
There ya go, my two cents. Worth every penny. BestDef (talk) 07:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armed 

message: It seems like an uncommon method of self-defense, where most would probably use a gun instead. Goose121 (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is crossbow under armed self defense? 

message: What is sport? 196.189.147.249 (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sport