Talk:Algirdas

message: Algirdas could not have been the last pagan ruler of Europe since his brother Kestutis ruled the GDL in 1381-82, and was certainly a pagan as well.  "Widely regarded as the greatest monarch of Lithuania" is weaselly and could easily be disputed by Gediminas, Vytautas, etc.
(Leo1410 12:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Algirdas even signed Algerdos in Greek in his letters written to the Emperor of Constantinople, by the way. They were Lithuanian not always by genetics but definitely by nationality. The spoke a little different Lithuanian like Lithuanians today, so their true names sounded more or less like they are written in Lithuanian. That are the historical facts. However, they most probably knew Ruthenian. But all Lithuanian gentry in Early Middle Ages were of Lithuanian or Samogitian origin, not Old Belarusian. Iulius 17:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just not true. Look at that: http://starbel.narod.ru/maliu/tytstat.jpg 
The official language of The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was Ruthenian language. So why not Lithuanian if the rulers were Lithuanians???--Bloomfield 23:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, goodnes, we have been before. There was no official language in GDL. Certainly not in modern definition. Lithuanian language had several problems: it was not written and nobody else spoke it. So in correspondence to the west Latin was used, to the east - Ruthenian. Same thing as in today's Lithuania: letter to George W. Bush would be written in English and not Lithuanian. That dukes were Lithuanian shows where they came from: Samogitia, Aukstaitija, other Lithuanian-inhabited lands. They just expanded over Slav lands. Like Daumantas of Pskov, who had a "career" "abroad". Renata 02:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  Renata, what about this? https://be-x-old.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Lob_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B0.svg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siaržuk Piatroŭski (talk • contribs) 13:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text:  Algirdas's father was Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania, while his mother wad granddaughter of a prince of Polotsk. Polotsk is in today Belarus, not Ukraine.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:588B:CA01:81CE:1B22:7374:917F (talk) 12:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: This is a non-free image. It is, so far as I can tell, just as imaginary as any other modern-ish image of Algirdas. Does this image truly meet all of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria? The same question could be asked of the non-free images at Mindaugas and Gediminas. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 14:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, please apply speedy deletion criteria. M.K. (talk) 15:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is [[:File:Grand Duke of Lithuania Algirdas. Authors-JK&LK.jpg]] necessary? 

message: Why parahistorical propaganda of modern Lithuania dominate in ENwiki? In historical documents Olger(dt) only!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.215.85.68 (talk) 09:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because modern Lithuania are the TRUE successors of Grand Duchy of Lithuania as GDL was created by Lithuanians and Samogitians. Further territory expansion meant that Slavic nations were absorbed into the GDL. Furthermore, most of rulers of GDL were Lithuanians and no source refer to them as being Belarusian. If GDL was called Grand Duchy of Belarus or similarly then EN wiki would take Belarusian articles as primary sources. And it really brings no relevance whether historical documents were written in Lithuanian, Ruthenian, Polish, Latin or any other language as facts are clear – modern Lithuania=true GDL successors. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Not all time. Ruthenia was added to the name of the state when Slavic lands were conquered by Lithuanians and Samogitians. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Source:
# Журавский А. И. Деловая письменность в системе старобелорусского литературного языка // Восточнославянское и общее языкознание. — Moscow, 1978. — С. 185—191.  
# Статут Великого княжества Литовского 1588 года гласит: «А писаръ земъскъй маеть поруску литерами и словы рускими вси листы выписы и позвы писати а не иншимъ езыкомъ и словы». Роздел четвёртый. Артыкул 1 // Статут Вялікага княства Літоўскага 1588. Тэксты. Даведнік. Каментарыі. — Minsk, 1989. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 08:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: You clearly don't understand the difference between language and official language. Only documents were written in Ruthenian, but that doesn't make it official language! Lithuanian language is one of the oldest languages in the world and it was there long before Ruthenian language was created. End of story. If you want to spread litvinist propaganda then go to Belarusian wiki and write there! – Sabbatino (talk) 08:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How the name is transcribed in Belarussian is of no consequence for the English language transcription of the name. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why parahistorical propaganda of modern Lithuania dominate in ENwiki. In historical documents Olger(dt) only! 

message: I have a question, on the expansion of his power, what year did he annex Podolia and Kiev? Was it the same year as the Blue Water battle in 1362. I lack knowledge on this part of area, I'm inquiring to connect dots with the Golden Horde who were ruling these areas as Suzerain Alexis Ivanov (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: He has more to do with Ukrainian history than Russian history, especially since he himself was Ruthenian, a.k.a. Ukrainian.
Stop pushing your nationalistic nonsense and get the facts right.
:Ruthenians are not Ukrainians, so you should stop pushing you nationalistic POV. And Algirdas was Lithuanian through his father Gediminas as his real mother's identity is disputed by the historians. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:15, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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