Talk:Bloody Sunday (1905)

message: In this article the photo is shown as a still from a movie, but on the article for Vera Karelina the same, or at least suspiciously similar photo is shown as a real one. Which is true?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.40.106.174 (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: The photo of the workers meeting the soldiers

message: Was Gapon a paid agent of the Okhrana in january 1905? Whilst his organisation was Zubatovite in origin, (ie formed under the influence of the police) he was, I thought, not acting udner police instructions when he called the 9 Janu
He certainly (re?)established connections with the Okhrana later, and was killed for it by the SRs Combat Organisation (at the insistence of its head Azef, who was definitely an Okhrana agent). But isn't there a strong case for saying that in January 1905, Gapon was a naive idealist, influenced at least as much by the workers who had joined his assembly and were calling for justice than by the Zubatovite origins of his Assembly organisation?---RB
Absolutely. It's misleading to say that the leader of demonstration was a paid agent of the Okhrana. At the time he was genuinely an idealist who believed the Tzar would "help the people". See Orlando Figes. I'll remove the passage. --84.154.105.52 10:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: he was an agent of okhrana; it is a fact, even if he was an idealist. Idealists are best provocateurs. mikka (t) 16:28, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your source, so far you've given us no evidence that what you're saying is true --Geb Mills (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gapon as paid agent of Okhrana

message: Seriously? Most books I have read have placed it at around 200. Anyone have any evidence to back up the 1000 dead claim?
From Years of Change - European History 1890-1945 by Robert Wolfson: "Officially, ninety-six protesters died and 333 were wounded. Probably a thousand died and a thousand more were wounded." But I've got other references that just say "over a hundred died"... --AsaRoast 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1000 dead? 

message: Is it just me or does it seem to others that the image captioned "The Tsar's soldiers shooting at demonstrators at the Winter Palace" has no soldiers actually firing? The crowd appears to be reacting to something, but it's unclear what. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption accurate? 

message: What would the secret police stand to gain from setting up a petition march? Why on earth would the secret police want to provoke an incident only to have the guard suppress it? Why would these two arms of the government be working at cross purposes, unless they deliberately wanted to destabilize the government... but if they did that, then they would also pay the price. How do we know this Gapon was actually in the pay of the secret police.... was it just his "friend" who murdered him that claims this? If a priest was working to improve the lot of the common folk, then why was religion so demonized by the communists/bolsheviks? This entry needs more light cast upon it for those not well versed in the political situation of the time.  70.71.14.86 15:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  situation needs a more thorough explanation 

message: Who's Father kevin?  This article needs cleanup.  Also,
:Despite the consequences of this action, the Tsar was never fully blamed,, contrast to
:Although the Tsar had not been present at the Winter Palace at this time, he received the blame for the deaths
??
dino 22:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Father kevin?

message: The external link listed is a dead link. Please fix soon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.172.61 (talk) 02:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead link

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message: “The Russian term for strike, stachka, was derived from an old colloquial term, stakat’sia- to conspire for a criminal act.”[4] As such, Russian laws viewed strikes as criminal acts of conspiracy and potential catalysts for rebellion.
"As such" suggests that the derivation of the term _stachka_ is the reason that law considered strikes to be criminally conspiratorial. I suspect that is not the case. More likely, the term and its etymology are evidence of law's view of the act. dgc (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stachka, linguistic causation? 

message: A Short description should be short. WP:SDSHORT advises a length of no more than 40 characters. Sometimes a description may need to be a few characters longer, but 61 is too long — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 19:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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