Talk:Erhard Heiden

message: Info on his death and why he died in 1933 at the age of 32 would be nice. Afabbro 03:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

message: My knowledge of Wiki Commons is small to none, but I find it incredible that the photo was deleted.  It's a 90 year old photograph of a man who was executed in the early 1930s and has no living descendents.  Why was it deleted, what law did it break, and what danger was there to Wikipedia of a copyright claim.  NONE.  We certainly have a lot of time on our hands. :-) -OberRanks (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree but am not an expert on photo use herein. It seems to me it would fall under fair use. I have asked someone to look into it. Kierzek (talk) 19:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been re-added under fair use, thanks to Diannaa looking into it. Kierzek (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo Gone 

message: I realize that this article has just reached GA status, but I have doubts about some of the sources. One main source is McNab. Amber publishing is a semi-vanity press outfit. They describe themselves as "a illustrated non-fiction book packaging company"  (yes, their website does indeed say "a illustrated"). Longerich, published by OUP says that we really don't know why Heiden was sacked. It was obviously something pretty serious given his later fate, but the "Jewish connections" stuff sounds like typical Nazi disinformation to discredit him.  Adrian Weale also says nothing about Jews, but says it was probably just because he was not very good in the job, but that there was a rumour he was a police spy. Paul B (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: They state that "one of our areas of expertise is military history". Further, McNab is a respected RS source, having written/edited for Osprey Publishing on this subject of the SS, as well. The fact is little is known and the "Jewish connections" was an allegation put forth at the time, that is why it is phrased that way in the article. Since we cannot put in OR, we have to go with what little is either known or alleged at the time they got rid of him. Adding Weale is a good suggestion. Kierzek (talk) 15:22, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What OR was being suggested? There's no rule against speculation on talk pages. I'm not sure what you mean by "put forth at the time". Put forth by whom? Rumours have a habit of making themselves. Paul B (talk) 15:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As to "OR" I am talking in general terms as to article inclusion, not discussion on the talk page. As to your second query: "Put forth at the time of his dismissal by party members". BTW, I have Longerich, year of Pub. as 2012, not 2011. Kierzek (talk) 15:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are right - 2012. Paul B (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Did not see this new section until now. Is the matter settled? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 17:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, some copy edit was done with the prose tweaked and Weale was added. Kierzek (talk) 21:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some new information on Heiden and his dismissal from Michael Miller's new book, Leaders of the SS and German Police, Vol. 2 (2015), R. James Bender publisher. Kierzek (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources