Talk:El Mundo (Spain)

message: I think that there is a weasel word problem in the last paragraph, the criticisms of El Mundo's editorial position are not attributed beyond  "the rest of the spanish media". I could believe that there is signicant level of criticism of El Mundo from the editorial positions of pro socialist "PRISA group" and "Vocento Group" as well as the govenment run RTVE. There is a long list of media publications with left wing sympathies, but it is certainly not "almost all the rest of the Spanish media".
::Yep, you are right. I will try to fix it Randroide 09:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I only know about criticism against the "black holes" in "El País", "ABC" and the "SER". AFAIK all the other media remains silent about the issue. If you know better than me, please provide links to criticisms.Randroide 12:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel Words

message: I'm wondering why the "neutrality put in question" label was put on this article. Every issues seem to have been solved. Haw81 12:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed, for now. See my edit summary (19:58, 11 October 2006) for details. Thanks. El_C 23:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of article 

message: The answer is a thunderous NO!. 
I hope that this recidivant unfounded assertion will be exorcized with this "El Mundo" article supporting gay marriage:  Randroide 11:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'd say it usually is against the government that is currently in power. I remember they were pretty much against many Aznar policies, and now it's Zapatero's turn, and before them it was Gonzalez. So instead of conservative, I'd say anti-government, and leave it at that. Heh. :) I'd like to point out, though, that prominent Popular Party members do support same-sex marriage. Conservative doesn't necessarily equal Catholic. Besides, the article you provided does not support gay marriage, it is merely an interview with the first same-sex couple that got legally married. Cheers Raystorm 14:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't describe the link as a "shock link" so much as "Not Safe For Work". Andjam (talk) 08:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "El Mundo" a "conservative" or "right-wing" newspaper? 

message: You must be joking. El mundo is considered here in Spain as a conservative newspaper, close to the Partido Popular.  
Vincent shooter 15:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold, then, and change it to "Center-right." ``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p 19:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is considered "conservative" by the left wing in spain, but i agree, it def is not center left. It hovers around the center to the right wing, but not as right wing as Abc or Razon. Center-Center right? Haw81 12:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: HAW, EL Mundo is arguably more moderate than La Razon, and clearly less extreme and more respectable than ABC which is viewed by many observers as a Far-Right publication. However it's still a conservative newspaper, not a centrist one. El Mundo can be compared to Washington Times, El Pais to New York Times, and ABC to Pat Buchanan's works.
~Vincent Shooter 17:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Can't say that I agree vince, in Spain if you're left wing, you'll call the right wing person a conservatist, but many in those 'conservatists' feel they are centrists. Gallardon is one of them. Of course it depends on anyone's personal political position. But if ElMundo isnt centrist, then elpais is? Also, i'm not sure it's good to use a non spanish source to qualify a the political position of a spanish newspaper. Further, elmundo is in partnership with "liberation" from france which definitely is a left wing newspaper, much more leftwing than the french "lemonde" to which elpais is in partnership... Haw81 13:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added the non-Spanish source regarding El Mundo's leanings, after Randroide edited the category out with the comment, "no source, no political." (Incidentally, I seem to have touched off this row by inserting the "center-left" definition in the first place. It was by accident -- I had copied the infobox from the El Pais article and forgot to overwrite that portion of it) I disagree that we should avoid foreign sources; this is, after all, a non-Spanish Wikipedia, and the U.S./U.K./Canadian/Australian/Etc. readers of this Wiki are probably more in tune with the International Herald Tribune's definition of "conservative" than an internal Spanish source's definition. Also, I don't think Vincent shooter was trying to suggest that El Pais is centrist -- the comparison with The New York Times would seem to rule that out (or maybe that's just my bias ...). ``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p 22:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Addendum: Our article on Pedro J. Ramirez points to this biography, which, in describing his newspaper's politics, says: "In spite of the fact that his newspaper has been a great media support for the politics of the government during the conservative period, But J. Ramirez opposed to the war of Iraq and to the support of Aznar to Bush's administration, in one of the editorials. Nevertheless this has not supposed at all a deterioration of the relation between El Mundo and the Conservative Party." ... which by my reading means the paper's a muckraker, doesn't march in lockstep with Aznar/PP, but is generally conservative and recognized as such by Spain's conservative politicians. ``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p 22:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Mundo Center Left? 

message: ...for this line:
::...relating to the investigations, alleging, for example, that the PSOE party, in league with ETA, was behind the attacks
No source, no line. Simple. 
Your edit removing the "newspaper of record" line was A GOOD edit just for the same reason. Thank you.
Randroide (talk) 09:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree with the "newspaper of record" removal. Circulation alone suffices for this newspaper to be included in this category, in a similar fashion as in the El País article, which is another deservedly newspaper record in Spain. Obviously, both are newspaper of record in Spain and asking for references to prove that would be kinda evil, given their circulation numbers and prominent position suffices; besides, any reference brought would be labelled as POVish, opening yet another futile debate. Mountolive  all over Battersea, some hope and some dispair 12:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source needed 

message: 07:10, 10 January 2008 Mountolive (Talk | contribs) m (4,477 bytes) (restoring wikilink removed: it is a newspaper of record by a number of criteria, circulation alone suffices; removing some, IMHO, not notable remarks about full name) 
Not the most important thing to know about El Mundo, but it's both true and verifiable, and it's not like Wikipedia is running out of space. Point is: the newspaper was formerly known by a different name, and no matter how subtle the change has been, I -- IMHO -- think it's worth noting. And if someone knows, it would be nice to note on exactly what date the name changed. I'll bow to consensus, though. ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 01:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As an anonymous person I agree with you.  After all, the article as currently written appears to imply that the newspaper was already named after the 21st century back when it was founded in the 20th. 86.177.123.72 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 12:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Mundo del Siglo XX 

message: Do you have access to the following El Mundo article Londres no colaboró en la captura de Michael Tcherney? We are working on the wikipedia article about Michael Cherney and need to verify a source. It would be great if you could help out so we can reinsert this paragraph. Thanx, --spitzl (talk) 10:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Access to the El Mundo archive? 

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