Talk:Airmail

message: Please see note on Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context. Viajero 12:56, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: 2003 post

message: I've read Italy in 1917 had the first airmail stamp, but I can't source it. Can somebody confirm & include?  Trekphiler 11:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's mentioned in Cabeen, which I added. Stan 15:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1917 Italian stamps

message: I don't personally understand why an e-mail application for OS X, Mailplane is linked from Airmail.  I don't think the similar names qualify. - MSTCrow 19:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because someone screwed up a page move, but it is ok now. Had you looked at the history of Mailplane you would have seen the error immediately. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers ww2censor 10:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mailplane? 

message: If a consensus develops that the Airmail article should be about Air Mail as a class or type of service then I might suggest the following macro organization.  The section headings I am suggesting recognize a couple of realities as relates to airmail and aero philately.
*Reality # One – Airmail as a type or class of service is really a business model discussion, not a philatelic discussion
*Reality # Two – Most philatelic sources have treated Air Mail as mail carried by aircraft during its early years, only transitioning to Air Mail as a class of service once the business models were actually established.  The result is that a great many covers that are labelled ‘’Air Mail’’ covers are thus labelled from a Philatelic perspective not a business model perspective. The lines between Aero Philately and Airmail are extremely blurry.  Philatelic sources maybe very useful in this article, but Air Transport and Postal Communications sources should take precedence.
*Reality # Three – Air Mail as a class of service is inextricably tied to the evolution of commercial air transport.
*Reality # Four – Air mail as a class of service has experienced several eras—an evolutionary and experimental era (18x – 1919), a commercialization era (1919 – 1950s), and its decline. (1960s to present)
Here’s my first cut at what the outline might look like
Air mail is a class or type of postal service that has traditionally provided the sender faster delivery of postal communications because the mail was ostensibly carried by aircraft instead of surface or seaborne means.  Air mail traditionally was a premium, more expensive service for the sender because the mail arrived at its destination faster and was essentially more expensive for the postal authorities to transport than surface mail.  Air mail postal rates were typically based on the weight, size and destination of the article being mailed.  Prior to WWI, air mail was mainly an experimental means of postal communications as postal authorities, militaries and entrepreneurs began to exploit the rise of aviation. Air mail as a class of postal service grew in importance along with the growth of commercial air transportation in the post WWI era.  Airmail as a distinct, important and premium class of postal service began to decline in many parts of the world as air transportation became ubiquitous and the cost differential between surface, seaborne and air transport of mail became negligible.
Experimental and demonstration air mails (18xx to 1919)
Post WW I development of air mail services 
Air mail on the European continent
North American air mails
Expansion of air mails into European colonies and Asia
Atlantic and Pacific ocean airmails
Air mail disruption during WWII
Air mail and the jet age
The decline of Air Mail as a premium postal service
--Mike Cline (talk) 14:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. (Centpacrr (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not yet had time to digest the proposal, but remember that the draft page is far from complete or even necessarily organised in a final form. ww2censor (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air mail article proposed outline 

message: As I was pondering on the Airmail article and the above discussion, I was considering how the idea of the Airmail Stamp would fit into the Airmail article.  I found this already in WP: Airmail stamp redirects to Airmail etiquette and the airmail etiquette article contains the following sentence: The airmail etiquette may be omitted if airmail stamps are used on the letter, and in some cases even this is not necessary if a country sends out all its foreign mail by air.  A bit of an infinite loop here.  Clearly we need an article entitled Airmail stamps that is complementary to the Aerophilately and Airmail articles.--Mike Cline (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that many articles were written before sources were required or even requested, so there will be errors to be found. Happily there now seem to be a few people around who are snaking their way around things and will hopefully update and verifiably reference these. While we could possibly use an Airmail stamp article in its own right, I intend to include some mention of the airmail stamps in the main airmail article, so the redirect could then be directed there, until such time as a stand-alone article is warranted. ww2censor (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  With the explicit understanding that many current articles in WP are in error -- the nature of collaborative editing -- I find the following snippet of your comment to be confusing at best, and counterproductive to consensus building (what I hope we are trying to do) at worst.  You said: until such time as a stand-alone article is warranted.  Are you saying an Airmail Stamp article is not warranted today?  Your position on the question is unclear and vague.  I clearly stated that I thought an Airmail Stamps article should be written that complements the Airmail and Aerophilatelic articles.  I gave my rationale.  I was seeking input and consensus on that position.  If you feel an Airmail Stamp article is not needed then say so or say why you support the creation of such an article. But don't equivicate. As a relatively new participant in the Philately project I am trying to participate thru the WP consensus building model.  Please participate with me.--Mike Cline (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that there are many article with errors but we do find some on occasions. Perhaps you are confused but if you, Mike, or someone else, are prepared to write the Airmail stamp page, I have no objection at all and will support it fully (there is quite a bit in the translated article to start with), but if no one is going to write it now my words: "until such time as a stand-alone article is warranted" refers to that status quo. I don't see how that is counterproductive to consensus building at all. Anyway, I intend adding a summary section to the Airmail article, probably reducing what is there now. If there is no new article now that section will be all there is on airmail stamps and, as with many articles, sections do grow until it is necessary to hive them off into new articles in their own right which would then become the airmail stamp article instead of an incorrect redirect. Is that clear enough? BTW, are you intending to actually join the Philately WikiProject? We need more active participants. ww2censor (talk) 03:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airmail and Airmail Stamps 

message: In the History section, 5 paragraphs from the end, the paragraph begins with 
In the same 1928 when this was published
What is the "same 1928"? How could there be a different 1928? Is this wording an artifact of an edit? Should it say "In the same year this book was published"? Or just simply "In 1928"?
Ed8r (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ww2censor (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

message: Permit me to recommend an external link to an immense and informative resource "Air Mail Pioneers" http://www.airmailpioneers.org/ Editors of this article may want to include footnotes to selected pages at that site.  If so, I shall be pleased to participate with suggestions.  81.53.252.2 (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link 

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