Talk:Ziad Jarrah

message: The introductory paragraph states:
... although the release of the cockpit transcript revealed that Saeed al-Ghamdi had in fact been flying, and the claim of Jarrah's participation has been the subject of much controversy.
however, in the The Attack section, Jarrah is always referred to as being the pilot, and taking orders from "a fellow hijacker". which was it? --Storkk 17:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The cockpit transcript did not reveal who was flying the plane. No names were used. The statement in the introductory paragraph is incorrect. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 02:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Au contraire, actually, tthe trancript clearly shows Saeed al-Ghamdi being given orders to roll the plane, pitch it forward and steer erractically. In fact, he is the only hijacker mentioned by name throughout the transcript. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  11:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. I'm going to need to investigate this more closely. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 14:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradict Tag

message: "The sudden cropping of the lease has lead some to speculate that the surname was originally spelled differently"
Who is speculating and why do they think this? --Sloane 14:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should link to who suspects it. I'm not sure who. FYI, some of the incriminating evidence spelled the name "Ziad Jarrahi" or "Zaid Jarrahi" and he apparently didn't write an i at the end of his name (though they are both valid transliterations of his Arabic name into Roman letters.) It's a rather weak point, but some people care. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who? We should be avoiding using weasel words here. --Sloane 15:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. I changed the caption. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The LA Times doesn't usually print false information, and when it does, it usually retracts it. This is a case of a major newspaper contradicting Ashcroft's account. It's noteworthy. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon researching: the LA Times based their assertion on authorities in Germany. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just thought the authority inconsistancy is meant for cases when government instances contradicted themselves or eachother. --Sloane 15:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Authorities in Germany contradict U.S. authorities. Check out the new LA Time source. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It ought to be well-sourced. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've sourced it all, I think. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I support adding a  tag to the first claim which seems mildly believable, but removing the second claim. I do strongly support merging the two sections Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  18:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That's fascinating. What does Jarrah say on the video? Does anyone know? – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In different personal afganistan video Jarrah makes statements justifying a war against America - As this video did have sound as opposed to no sound like the 2006 video mentioned in other comments. Only small snippets of this video were released and a document online shows a transcript of what Jarrah said in the video. Furthermore his voice matches the transmissions from UA93. Jastarrun (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

text: o.O Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  05:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Jarrah's voice was heard on air recordings and he was sat in 1B Jastarrun (talk) 10:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions about Possible mistaken identity section

message: Sloane flagged the parts of the "Authority Inconsistencies" section that were unsourced. I managed to source (or revise and source) most of them. There are two I couldn't.
#I can't find any evidence that "FBI and German authorities had initially reported that Jarrah attended another school". Even if they did, I don't see how it's important, since it's easy to get facts mixed up in something like that. If they did report his school incorrectly, they later set the record straight. I'm all for removing that paragraph as unnotable and unsourced.
#I can't find a source for the assertion that "Jarrah's family has indicated they would be willing to provide DNA samples to US researchers", so I think I'll revise that sentence. 
I also think the "Possible mistaken identity" and "Authority Inconsistencies" sections should be merged and reorganized. Any objections? – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 19:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support adding a  tag to the first claim which seems mildly believable, but removing the second claim. I do strongly support merging the two sections Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  18:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part 2 

message: Well the Jarrah / Atta video  should put to rest the mistaken identity claims. The section should be minimized and written such that for a while there were these claims, the 9/11 commission concluded differently and on Sep 27th 2006, a video will with Atta was released casting further doubt on such claims. Barneygumble 14:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fascinating. What does Jarrah say on the video? Does anyone know? – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In different personal afganistan video Jarrah makes statements justifying a war against America - As this video did have sound as opposed to no sound like the 2006 video mentioned in other comments. Only small snippets of this video were released and a document online shows a transcript of what Jarrah said in the video. Furthermore his voice matches the transmissions from UA93. Jastarrun (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

text: o.O Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  05:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Jarrah's voice was heard on air recordings and he was sat in 1B Jastarrun (talk) 10:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part 3 

message: *a) I have no idea if Ziad grew up in an Arabic-speaking household or not, or whether his natural name is in fact Arabic.  I have no idea whatsoever, any idea if he was actually named Ziad Jarrah or زياد سمير جراح?
*b) The only reference I can find to a Le Segasse school in Beirut is a law school, not a private high school. I also notice that it is properly named [Collège de la Sagesse and it seems likely therefore that Ziad spoke French? "Founded in 1875, La Sagesse University in Beirut belongs to the archdiocese of Beirut." Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  18:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: Page 82- has information on Ziad and his connections with Bert Rodriguez.Bronayur 15:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Men Who Stare At Goats 

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thread_title:  Work needed 

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message: I have deleted the information regarding the alleged connection of the subject's connection to Stasi for the following reasons.  First, as far as I can see the Associated Press article entitled "Germany reportedly investigates Stasi past of hijacker's uncle", which is cited, does not exist.  All I found was a posting with that title on a forum called "FreeRepublic".  The source "Saddam's Ties to Al Queda" is not a reliable source.  It seems like a vanity book published by a cartoonist.  The author's description of himself in the cover is as follows:
Sam Pender is an American frustrated, sickened, and embarrassed by the acts and effects of the Monica Lewinsky Affair, the 2000 national election debacle, the attacks of 9/11, the political polarization of America, and the apathetic indifference of an American people who often forget they are at war with terrorists. 
He is a husband, father, and author of seven novels and two non-fiction works; all under a different name. 
Sam Pender is just another, average, American-like you. 
The third source claims that the Stasi ties are as per a Der Spiegel article.  The original Der Spiegel article (in German) is here.  It contradicts the claims made.  It states that Assem Jarrah may be the second cousin (not uncle) of Ziad Jarrah;  It states that this being investigated by the German government;  It states that information is missing and unclear; It states that the investigation is ongoing; And there is nothing claiming that Assem Jarrah was close to Ziad Jarrah.  There was no follow-up to the article, presumably because nothing came of the investigation.Poyani (talk) 21:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Stasi/Libyan Ties Claim 

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