Talk:James Ruse Agricultural High School

message: Hello. It seems that this schools page has been vandalised by many different people. Please make this page protected. It needs to be.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown123123123 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The photos currently up on the page have a problem with their copyright status (the uploader didn't tag them). If any ex-students (looks at Kewpid :P) have photos from their time at school and are willing to release them under the GFDL, then that would be great. Thanks. Enochlau 03:09, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm so stupid, I should've just looked at who uploaded them. Enochlau 03:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs 

message: Kewpid,
You wrote:
In 2004, the school achieved a median University Admission Index (UAI) of 99.5, and had 8 of the state's 21 UAI 100s .
The issue is: where did this data come from? UAIs are not released to schools (since ~1997), so the only way the school could have obtained data is from asking students to self-report. Unless the school can assure that it received results from all students, under-reporting is likely to have skewed results.  Unless there is another source to verify this information, I suggest the article stick to published and verifiable data, such as numbers published in merit lists.
--Daveb 06:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When students graduate, they receive a folder with a whole range of Board of Studies paraphernalia. Included is an envelope addressed to the school where they can write their UAI's and send it in. It's anonymous, so there's incentive to lie or not report. Also the school is given the HSC results of the students which it can use to produce very accurate UAI info anyway. Again, the school is unlikely to lie about its results. Kewpid 05:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point remains that the school's claims are an educated guess (whether based on likely-incomplete self-reporting or extrapolation of HSC scores to UAI) and are not externally verifiable. This is not saying that are lying, rather that the mean-score claim is not based on reliable or verifiable publically available data. --Daveb 08:49, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I agree with Kewpid - JRAHS is a reputable school and I am sure it strives to ensure the highest possible accuracy of figures released to the public. JSIN 08:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also believe it is a reputable institution, but we can not be sure that its data set is incompelete (e.g. I had a number of colleagues who said they refused to return their results in years gone by).  The fact is that UAIs are not publically available any more, and that as such claims are based on self-reporting and are not verifiable. Again, this is an encyclopaedia and we therefore must stick to the verifiable facts. --Daveb 09:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps an agreement can be reached on this, whereby the article states that the UAI statistics are reported by the school, and not officially verified? This will further inform the reader, but also make him/her aware that while it is coming from a reputable institution, data may be incomplete.JSIN 10:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have made an edit to this effect. I don't think discussion regarding the school being reputable is warranted though - there was no question of honesty, but rather one of verifiability and statistics (any undergrad level research-methods text will give you background on the issue of under-reporting of under-performance, if you're interested). --Daveb 10:31, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAI "information" 

message: How can this be a public school, yet have a Christian religious affiliation? Ambi 13:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The two are not mutually exclusive. It is probably one of the most virulently evangelical Christian schools out there. Kewpid 08:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The school has no religious affiliation, at least not at the present. Although there is the ISCF, membership is at a minority of the school population and there is some disagreement with ISC F-ing beliefs and the organisation itself, especially amongst Catholics and atheists. My personal opinion is to take anything the ISC F-ers tell you with a pinch of salt. I would never entrust my religious education in the hands of a group of power-tripping holier-than-thou year 11s (Yes, I am Catholic, and I find their anti-homosexual stance offensive).JSIN 08:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I ask that people, who share my views that ISCF is stupid, keep their POV comments away from the article.JSIN 10:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is time we finished the debate over the ISCF section. Do we need to place the comments about ISCF being disliked by students? Is anyone going to want this POV statement in an encyclopedia? I going to wait a week before repeating my edit of the ISCF section. --GeneralBenKenobi 11:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Addendum: Also, I would like to point out to JSIN that the section you have added has not been thoroughly researched. You didn't go to the Boy-Girl relationships lessons of ISCF did you? It does not encourage break-ups, only to contemplate relationships and see if you want to remain with the person you are with. --GeneralBenKenobi 11:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard from more than one person, that they preached that since these relationships involve lust, couples should break up and reserve their love for marriage. I believe current text is NPOV, as it states both sides of the story, saying that it is "generally well-liked". Also, these are very clearly marked as views of some students.JSIN 11:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I have a feeling that FOCUS and JIFFY are offshoots of ISCF. Thank God you're not in any of those groups, my dear friend. Anyway, it would be hard to include more info, please see WP:VERIFY. JSIN 06:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The details of any student club is non-encyclopaedic, unless the club is truly notable outside of the school(s) in some way. Would you like to read about the Beijing No. 3 Middle School Chinese chess club, and the minutiae of its weekly lunchtime contests, as well as its views on Boy-Girl relationships? Not really right? --Sumple (Talk) 12:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious affiliation

message: Since when was the school song called Green and Gold? I asked Mr Ballantyne (science teacher, ex student's might remember him) and he said that it was just called the school song. Also, in the 2005 JR student diaries, the title of the song is just "School Song". Spik3balloon 3 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware it is untitled.  Kewpid 5 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
:I believe it is untitled also. JSIN 08:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do recall on assembly programmes the name of the School Song being recorded as "In Pursuit of Excellence". Unfortunately I do not currently possess a copy of said programme, but I will post again once I have obtained a copy. Choccie 09:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Presentation Night 2005 Programme has the title of the school song as "Gesta non verba".JSIN 09:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The school song words are here. 
School Song Lyrics
We're honest, courteous and kind
And we are friends from many lands
Together we explore our minds
We are Ruse and for Ruse we stand
School of Green and Gold
Strength to proceed
To meet our destiny
We'll sing our song, our song of pride
With all our might even when
In times of pain, in times of strife,
We're in pursuit of excellence.
JRG 11:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  School song: Green and Gold? 

message: The length of this whole article is absurd. It's longer than the Sydney University one, for crying out loud. Who cares what variety of corn is grown? Perhaps you should add the hobbies of the principal, and say what game the students play at lunchtime to keep amused. The whole thing starts to read like a brochure for the school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.48.97.130 (talk • contribs) 15 November 2005.
It is in my opinion that this article is of a reasonable length. As Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopaedia, I see no reason to restrict our wealth of knowledge, as long as it is relevant to the article. The variety of corn grown is important, since JRAHS is an agricultural high school and runs agricultural enterprises. If you feel that the Sydney University article is too short, then may I respectfully suggest that you go about improving it and adding more information, instead of criticising other articles that are both detailed and relevant.JSIN 08:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This whole article 

message: Why is James Ruse's current ethnic make-up and its recent HSC results under "History." This clearly isn't history.
Yeah, I think we need a new section for these things. I added the ethnic background information to History because similar types of information were there. You can sign your posts on the talk page if you wish, it makes it much easier to keep track of the discussion.JSIN 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I am concerned that this article's section on co-curricular activities violates Wikipedia:Verifiability. This stuff just isn't verifiable unless there are official pages on the school website that discuss such activities to the level of detail covered here. It seems to have been reported first-hand from the experiences of a former student, which then also violates Wikipedia:No original research. Sorry if I sound like I'm bashing the article with a bunch of rules, but it does look out of place and I think most of the section should go. Enochlau 14:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, it's been a while since I browsed to the JR website, and it looks... omg, horrible. No, I don't think it makes it verifiable, although the school in a sense approves of the content. If it's verifiable, it should have been published somewhere else apart from here first. enochlau (talk) 04:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Co-curricular activities 

message: Hi, could someone dig up a reference for the claim that the median UAI for JR was 99.5?  That seems awfully awfully high.  I think either this is OR or just too much self-selection to mean anythign useful.  (but yes, I agree with the thrust, JR rules academically....) novacatz 07:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be impossible actually, since UAIs are not made public. It'll have to come from an internal school news report, and those are inherently unreliable... enochlau (talk) 08:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. This issue has been discussed previously: see above. I say delete it as unverifiable. --Daveb 09:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. enochlau (talk) 09:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  At the end of year 12, they tell students to tell the school their UAI once they know it, if you wanted to know :-) Unreliable when not every student would do so. -- KittySaturn 06:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problems with using such "data" have been discussed above. You are correct in stating that the voluntary (and probably not verified) self-reporting is likely to be unreliable. --Daveb 13:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that what we had before - the reported UAI with further information about how it is derived, should stay. JSIN 11:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm, I'm open to persuasion, but I think that dodgy data should not be published on Wikipedia even if accompanied by a disclaimer due to the potential to mislead. In any case, Novacatz, I found the reference: http://jamesruse.nsw.edu.au/Student%20Achievements/default.html. enochlau (talk) 04:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found external reference concerning UAI from SMH website: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/only-race-that-matters-is-the-rush-to-the-top/2005/11/25/1132703380790.html tankman 15:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess it's a dead topic now, but I'm not sure that the SMH can be relied on in this case as a reliable source. Wikipedia had the statistic before that article was written, and it's altogether possible (perhaps even likely) that this article was the source of their info.WotherspoonSmith (talk) 11:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAI Scoring 

message: I think in this case Template:Infobox School2 is better than Template:Secondary school simply because it has a few differnt and extra features that make it superior- such as having extra categories for different principal types rather than having to shove 'Deputy Principals' to the bottom of the infobox. --tankman 15:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: The lead section is too long. It is not consistent with WP:MOS. Some of what is in the lead section should be moved to other sections. Garrie 12:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As indicated above - with no requests to defer I have moved some paragraphs out of the lead section. The lead section is still a little bit long but can't be so easily reduced with simple cut and paste... I would probably be seen as a bit heavy handed if I wielded the axe ruthelessly on the first and second paragraphs... Garrie 06:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

message: This article includes reference to many Sydney suburbs, it would be great if one of the regular contributors here wikified some of these.
Also - as a contributor for WP:Sydney with an interest in transport - are any of the roads mentioned worthy of an article? Try looking at :Category:Streets in Sydney and see if the roads mentioned can at least result in an equivalent article.
It would be good for the WP if this article - which is quite extensive - linked to a proportionally large number of other articles.
Garrie 03:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikification / linking

message: In line with Wikipedia's fair use policies, the school logo needs a fair use rationale both at the image itself, and within each article (including this one!) which makes use of it.
If no fair-use rationale is provided, the image may be deleted.
I haven't tagged it with  but currently that would be appropriate.
IMAGES TAGGED WITH that template become candidates for speedy deletion.Garrie 04:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: I've done my best to add references for the various people mentioned in the Alumni section. I think it appropriate to remove the remaining unreferenced Alumni. Not because they aren't notable or not JRAHS ex-students, but rather that they are not verifiably both (c.f. WP:V and WP:N). If anyone can find additional references that would be better than removing them obviously. For those notable persons that are not verifiably JRAHS ex-students, shame on you for not spruiking your alma mater :-) --Surturz (talk) 11:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Antony Green is verifiable,here. I would consider his contributions to political commentary in Australia to be notable. Spik3balloon (talk) 04:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Great, so now nobody's notable anymore? Spik3balloon (talk) 06:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni 

message: * Aravind Adiga (1991-1992) - Journalist and author, 2008 Man Booker Prize winnerBooker prize winner Aravind Adiga credits Australian upbringing
* Ramesh Paramsothy - Chittagong Whizzpigs Manager — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.195.206.80 (talk) 05:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni 

message: In my day (1978-1983), the school motto was translated as "Actions, Not Words" rather than "Deeds, Not Words".  203.9.151.254 (talk) 05:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

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