Talk:Carménère

message: I think it would be best to have the article's name be the grape's proper name Carmenère with the "English" spelling being the redirect, not the otherway around as it is currently. Agne 02:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to comment about suggesting a move.  Since no one has commented negatively with your suggestion, I'm going to be bold and do it. --- The Bethling(Talk) 00:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, no: it looks like the spelling is actually Carménère .  But many websites have Carmenère or spell it with no accents at all.  I suppose we should go with the absolutely most correct spelling.  Which?  Badagnani 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Badagnani: Carmenère is fine. At least, that's the name that all Chilean winemakers producing the wine print on their labels, as if by common agreement. I can supply you with plenty of (scanned) bottle labels, if you like. Just write to aka_ef@yahoo.com | Regards, AVM 22:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grape Name 

message: * Does anyone have a picture of Carmenere grapes? Or a way to get one?Charleenmerced  Talk 20:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love the side by side illustration but it looks like the image has been tagged for speedy deletion because of the the license tag. I'm curious if there are any GNU or Public Domain version out there, like in the old French ampelography text that have lapse copy right. I'll do some digging. AgneCheese/Wine 08:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Cool! I really didn't want to lose that. It is such a neat illustration. I think the absence of a free version coupled with the owner's permission should qualify for Fair Use. However, I would definitely keep an eye on it. I've had picture "mysteriously" disappear on me due to licensing issues before. AgneCheese/Wine 19:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've replaced your label pic with one which includes a glass - except it's such a dark wine, it's almost impossible to see the colour! I do have a method of photographing wines for colour which I didn't have time for on this occasion, but maybe I can find another bottle... or maybe two... --mikaul 12:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: At the end of the week, we'll submit for GA status and see what get. If you've had any good Carmenere lately, be sure to swing by the talk page on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine/Newsletter/Wine Improvement Drive and give your thoughts and recommendation for you fellow Wine Project members. AgneCheese/Wine 20:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a thorough look at the structure of the article and changed quite a few things. Amongst others:
*switched the "Carmenère & Merlot" and "Growth in Chile" paras around to help things 'flow' a little better
*re-jigged a few paras here and there
*fixed typos, grammar, etc 
*fixed links
*added a new image for Casillero del Diablo
Hope you agree it reads a little better & you like the pic - *very* nice wine, thanks for the tip!
Good luck with the submission. --mikaul 12:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last week of Wine Improvement Drive 

message: First congratulations on producing what is turning out to be a very nice article. 
I do, however, have a couple of comments:
* I think the GA submission is premature. One of the requirements is stability, and there's no way the article can pass that criterion. There are new things being added faster than I can keep up. There's a whole page of changes just today.
* Regarding the long list of wineries that produce Carmenère. While it may be a fine piece of research, I think it detracts from the structure and flow of the article, making it cumbersome, and I wonder if it should even be there. 
I think this will settle down into a nice GA article soon, but not yet. 
-- With best regards Steve.Moulding 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA ?? 

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thread_title: GA Passed

message: Citation (6) needs repairing and retitling: the correct link is http://www.winepros.org/wine101/grape_profiles/carmenere.htm (the current link brings up an Error 404 page. Also, as owner-creator of the site, I would prefer the title be "Professional Friends of Wine / Carmenet" rather than "winepros.org" since there is some history of confusion with the Australian commercial site "winepros.COM". Thank you. Jim LaMar 19:01, 5 May 2007 
*All links have been fixed.--Charleenmerced  Talk 19:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken reference link 

message: Reference [5] simply cites the Spanish version of the same article (Wikipedia en Español: Carménère). The Spanish version of the article makes no citations at all. 
A citation may not even be necessary just to say that the wine is medium bodied.
* Fixed footnote. --Charleenmerced  Talk 15:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No article should cite itself 

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Sweeps (Pass) 

message: Hi, this goes out to any wine experts editing this page. The carménère grape is stated in this article to be one of the six "noble grapes", however, that article does not list it as such, instead it lists the white grapes Sauvignon Blanc, Riesling, and Chardonnay, and the red grapes Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Merlot. This seems to be a contradiction, which one is right? Thanks, 86.14.229.187 (talk) 21:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm extremely surprised to see Carmenère referred to as a "noble grape"! It seems that the two articles referred to for that statement seems to make the connection "noble grape" = "all grape varieties allowed in red Bordeaux". If Carmenère, Malbec and Petit Verdot are supposed to be noble, how long would the total list of noble varieties be? 30? 50? In any instance, too long to be a very useful definition, I would say. Tomas e (talk) 18:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *"noble grapes of Bordeaux" refers to the varietals allowed to make Bordeaux Wine and allowed to carry the "grande vidure" term. See Bordeaux - wine and  Bordeaux grapes.There are also other sources that use this term.Louse article, "You're quite right that those are all grapes used in France's Bordeaux region." answering a question, Chilean wine.--Charleenmerced  Talk 19:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: *more sources that may elucidate this topic - Jancis Robinson counts as six the number of noble varietals. "A Bordeaux Blend is a red wine that contains two or more of the “noble” varieties that are authorized for blending in the red wines of the Bordeaux region of France. Currently there is some debate as to whether those “noble” varietals number five or six. Master Sommelier Andrea Immer Robinson lists five in her book, “Great Wine Made Simple.” Those varieties are: Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Petit Verdot, and Malbec. British Master of Wine, Jancis Robinson, lists six varietals. She cites the same five that Immer lists, but adds Carmenere." I have found tons of sources listing 6 varietals as being of noble, but none that define what the author means by noble.--Charleenmerced  Talk 23:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Or keep the wikilink and add a short mention in the other article? Surely a little information is better than none. 86.14.229.187 (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noble grape? 

message: There is no such thing in Chile... The closest thing is a small town called Peumo in the Rapel Valley.  Google-earth it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.161.217.43 (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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