Talk:New Monasticism

message: In the list in the introduction, the first item speaks of "abandoned places of Empire." What on earth does that mean? Can someone clarify this? MishaPan 15:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might also very well be referencing the USA as Empire, a common terminology in the New Left Staplovich (talk) 01:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Empire?

message: this page is awful. a wiki shouldnt be a page full of links, it is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry on a subject. I dont know enough about "New Monasticism" to write an article about it, but someone needs to fix this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fozzymandias (talk • contribs) 20:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more work... 

message: Some things stick out to me as I read about what defines a "new monastic" such as undefined words which are maybe familiar to Christians involved with 'New Monasticism' but not the world at large and they include:   
1. Relocation to the "abandoned places of Empire" [at the margins of society]
-I'm not clear what the significance of the 'margins of society' are. Is it considered to be a physical or spiritual place or is it a term which refers to specific members of a society? 
  
6. Intentional formation in the way of Christ and the rule of the community along the lines of the old novitiate
-This entire line is fuzzy; 'intentional formation in the way of Christ' may be a phrase common in this movement or perhaps is just an attempt to say something simple in a confusing way? Is it spiritual growth or an effort to bring about a Christian homogenization in a host society? Perhaps it is a reference to the actual formation of a monastic group? Secondly the 'rule of the community' what rule of what community? Is it internal self-governance of the monastic community or a literal rule over a host community? Finally, what is the old novitate and how is it relevant to the beginning of the sentence?
   
8. Support for celibate singles alongside monogamous married couples and their children
-What type of support is referenced here? Is it financial, spiritual, or emotional? None of the above? It is not entirely clear how support is given or what the material of that support is. 
10. Care for the plot of God’s earth given to us along with support of our local economies 
-This phrase is a red flag that this article may have been written by someone who is, indeed, involved in the 'New Monastic' movement itself. The use of 'given to us' and 'our local communities' give a definite feel that the author copied this from some type of pre-existing 'new monastic' literature verbatim and is attempting to use it in an improper tense and in an inappropriate situation. If this is indeed copied are sources cited?
11. Peacemaking in the midst of violence and conflict resolution within communities along the lines of Matthew 18
-Am I clear or is 'peacemaking' itself a violent act committed to end a conflict? And the vague reference to Matthew 18 needs explanation.  
12. Commitment to a disciplined contemplative life
-A vague and meaningless phrase unless given a clear context and direction.
Overall this is a very very poor article which I suspect has been perpetrated by a 'new monastic' himself. If the above list was written by 'new monastics' to define their own movement it needs to be clearly explained that this is the case. If not the twelve points need to be more properly develouped to lend some badly needed clarity to this article.
-Gao Fu Li  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Electricauntjemima7 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Christian-ese" 

message: It is claimed that married contemplative life is a new trend in Western Christianity; it might be worth mentioning that some Orthodox monasteries allow married monastics. Not sure how long this practice has been going on, but it seems relevant to this topic. Staplovich (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Married Monastics 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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