Talk:John Pope (general)

message: With the proper infobox this is a "B-Class" article.--Looper5920 07:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: A great number of the American Civil War biographies use the Eicher reference for basic military career progressions; it is based on a very exhaustive set of military sources. I have reverted some changes in a previous edit that used an antique Harper's Weekly reference. Although it may seem unlikely today, apparently West Point graduates at the time actually had brevet ranks as second lieutenants and were granted the full rank of second lieutenant only at a later date. And Pope's "promotions" for the two Mexican battles were both brevet ranks. Hal Jespersen 18:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that rather dubious, but I'll take your word for it and assume that you have examined the Eicher reference and that the article accurately reflects the source.  I am restoring the link to what you call the "antique" Harpers. older ≠ wiser 01:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ranks 

message: It says "and received a brevet promotion to major general in the regular army on March 13, 1865, for his service at Island No. 10."
And further below: "John Pope was promoted to major general in 1882 and retired in 1886."
83.255.70.208 (talk) 23:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. The article on  brevet ranks is linked twice in the article and may provide the explanation you seek. Hal Jespersen (talk) 01:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promoted Major General Twice? 

message: He is a neo-confederate and part of the lost cause school. See: Lost Cause of the Confederacy TeriEmbrey (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walter Donald Kennedy 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm not sure I'd consider Jackson's movement "strategic".  I think this was more at the operational level of war. 2600:1700:4940:5040:806C:F6A:AB26:26E0 (talk) 07:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Strategic Turning Movement" ? 

message: I am no expert on Pope, but it seems like the references in this section are off.  For example, the statement describing Pope's efforts in the 1880s: author Walter Donald Kennedy notes that he also said "It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux" and planned to make a "final settlement with all these Indians" does not cite Kennedy; it cites the Official Records of the Civil War, which would not be relevant to this period.  Kennedy does not appear in either the "references" or "further reading" section.  I suspect there are similar errors in citations elsewhere in this section, and perhaps elsewhere in this entry.  
These may be unintentional, and may not affect the accuracy of the entry, but it is sloppy work.  Anyone care to track the actual sources and update the citations (and perhaps the entry) for accuracy? MsTheMug (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Postbellum Years" Messy references 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 10:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: John Pope (general officer) →  – Consistency with other article title. For example: William F. Howe (general) and so on. Footwiks (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 May 2023