Talk:Metrolink (California)

message: I plan to move this to Metrolink (Southern California). It would probably be best for Manchester Metrolink and St. Louis Metrolink to move to parenthetical-style pages too, since Metrolink appears to be their offcial names too. Mackerm 21:20, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: I take issue with the contention that Metrolink does not have a very large ridership compared with other systems.  Its passengers-per-day numbers are depressed because it only has ~8 hours of service per day, compared with the 18-20 hour service offered by Chicago's Metra or the various New York commuter railroads.--Slightlyslack 06:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, its ridership numbers are SO LOW that the use of wording like "very high peak-hour ridership" pertaining to some of the lines in the article sounds sarcastic. Aadieu (talk) 14:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridership numbers 

message: I added a paragraph involving that incident.  Please clean it up and verify as needed becuase what I know about it is from watching and remembering the news way back when it happened. Hell, I don't even know if it was Burlington...as I remember it, that's a coat factory, but it sounds similar to the actual train company that smashed into the Metrolink train.  Hbdragon88 03:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burlington train accident 

message: This page does not mention Metrolink's Burbank Airport service. It is not exactly a single line, but a combination of three lines (one of which has no coverage). Burbank Airport service has dedicated trains on the #9XX line as well as shared trains on the Antelope Valley (#2XX) and Ventura County (#1XX) lines. The Antelope Valley trains connect to the Burbank Airport station by bus, but the others are direct trips from L.A. Union Station (with the exception of a few non-peak trips on the early and late ends of the #9XX schedule that are also bus connections). Mike Dillon 02:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burbank Airport service 

message: This article has a lot of information, but I felt that there were some pressing issues that needed attention:
1. The huge overview section needed to be divided into the traditional subsections, and so I went ahead and did this (along with some rearranging of sentences).
2. The lengthy comparison with express bus lines was just a little more than necessary. It looks like this is supposed to be a point-counterpoint article when it should just be an encyclopedia entry. I removed some of this, but I'm sure there's more that can be revised.
3. The information about the future development is quite interesting, but there's no reference given (except about the Buena Park Station). Can someone please find a reference for the future extensions? Otherwise this will have to be removed, as it would look bad for Metrolink's site to not have any mention of all this information in their Wikipedia entry.
--SameerKhan 10:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. The "Rolling stock" and "Fleet" sections could probably stand to be merged. Mike Dillon 16:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that express buses should not be included. Los Angeles has had a robust express bus system for some time. One of the reasons Metrolink ridership is so low (compared to other commuter rail systems) has to do with the fare structure, as well as other factors such as number of trains operated, travel time and station location (Union Station at the edge of downtown, vs. express buses distributing people to their final destination). The paragraph is designed to expand on the reasons why people avoid Metrolink and instead choose express buses or driving/carpooling. Calwatch 19:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless there is a source for this information, it is original research and should not be included in the article. Mike Dillon 02:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisions made and to be made 

message: Hope everyone likes the changes made to the fleet section, I tried to merge the rolling stock section as best as possible. I think the tables make the whole thing a little more readable, but I don't have much experence making tables so if someone is willing to clean them up it would be appriciated.
RickyCourtney 02:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work. I've changed the tables to wiki table syntax and added class="wikitable". Mike Dillon 04:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleet section 

message: The Metrolink system map is great! It's just got two minor mistakes: (1) the new Buena Park station needs to be added, and (2) "Anaheim Canyon" is misspelled "Aneheim Canyon". --SameerKhan 05:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  System map 

message: The article asserts,
:Metrolink's fares are high compared to its peers and to competing bus service.
It goes on in the next sentence to substantiate the part about cheaper competing bus services, but doesn't define who "its peers" are, or give any citations to its fares being higher. Some spot-checking makes the claim seem dubious as well. As an example of an "expensive" ticket, the article cites a $13.25 round-trip between Montclair and Downtown Los Angeles, a distance of about 35 miles each way. A roughly equivalent trip on its peer in Northern California would be between Palo Alto and San Francisco on Caltrain, which costs $11.50 roundtrip---marginally cheaper, but not particularly noteworthy. If we go further afield to New York City, Metro-North fares are considerably higher---the 35-mile trip from Greenwich, CT into Manhattan is $21.50 roundtrip during peak hours, or $16.00 off-peak. So I'd suggest removing this claim. --Delirium (talk) 06:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, sure, that makes sense to me. Although it should probably be limited to "along some lines", or maybe even only "along the San Bernardino line" ---as far as I know, only that one of the seven Metrolink lines actually has directly comparable cheap express-bus service, which is the Foothill Transit Silver Streak that the article mentions. The other lines don't; there isn't, for example, a cheaper competing express-bus service from Lancaster to downtown, or from Oceanside to San Bernardino. --Delirium (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I quoted the NTD database data above (fare per passenger mile) and, as noted, there is express bus service from Lancaster to Downtown, Riverside to Santa Ana, Montclair to Riverside, etc. along many of the Metrolink corridors. Calwatch (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no express bus service from Riverside to Santa Ana (would be nice though). RTA's 149 serves parts of the city of Orange, but it doesn't go anywhere near Santa Ana. I do seem to remember it going to Long Beach in the late 80's. It was cut back to Disneyland sometime in the '90's and finally cut back to Orange - not sure when.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.45.171 (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  fares high compared to peers? 

message: The article claims that the " fare recovery rate" is one of the highest in the country,yet when one clicks the link ("fare recovery rates")display is the 2004 rate of 30.6% which is NOT one of the highest and is in fact near the bottom.
I also would like to see mention of the fact that these MetroLink trains use a  3200 horsepower diesel engine (plus a 5-600 HP generator) which cause tremendous particulate pollution.During mid-day one can observe near empty trains with maybe 2 dozen riders being propelled by this enormous contraption.It seems ludicrous.
These engines and coaches were built in Canada. I believe this point is also relevant and I would like to see what other options or bids were considered.
I would like to see a comparison between the San Francisco bay area B.A.R.T. system and MetroLink as to pollution,fares,ridership,scheduling convenience,fare recovery rate etc.
I noted the selective useage of statistics to imply a healthy ridership increase. Let's show the actual stats,not just 2002-2005 in Orange County,or from beginning to a recent temporary spike due to high gasoline prices. Thanks.BrianAlex (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some points for Discussion 

message: I have scoured the Google for information relating to the Taylor and Camp Pendleton yards. I can only find sources which reference location and that Bombardier operates the buildings. I have removed the information as to its cost for now. If you can cite this information, please re-add it with a ref. Thanks ~ Butros (talk) 09:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Maintenance Yard Citations

message: Hey. I was thinking. I don't believe the Burbank-Bob Hope trains should be listed seperately on the chart of lines (nor have their own article either). While Metrolink does post a separate schedule for them on the website, and they do have their own train series numbers, the line isn't given a separate listing on the map (seen here), and the Burbank runs don't have any unique stations. It seems to me that it's less a separate line and more a short turn run on the Ventura County Line. To give an east coast analogy, some New Haven Line trains turn at Stamford or South Norwalk, but they're still New Haven Line trains, as they run on the New Haven Line, even if only a portion of it. Similarly, some of NJ Transit's Northeast Corridor trains originate at Jersey Ave., and those have different train numbers, but they're still NEC trains. So I think that the Burbank trains would best be served by mentions in the chart and in the article under the Ventura County Line.oknazevad (talk) 18:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. It would help if someone who has actually ridden a Burbank-Bob Hope train could tell us how the conductors refer to it onboard. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 08:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I originally left it out because it isn't listed on the Metrolink map I have on my wall. Butros (talk) 02:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So I combined them in the line chart here. (The description is a little long, but it's needed). What do you gents think?oknazevad (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burbank-Bob Hope question/comment 

message: in the section of where the article talks about the peris valley line, rctc recently approved the final design for the right of way for this line. within a year from now, construction will start. it was on the news about a week ago.Javiern (talk) 19:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide a link to a news article? --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 20:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  expansion needs updating 

message: A number of edits were reverted on the 23 July 2011 on the grounds that the article has already passed a 'good article' test and that the changes had not been discussed first. I disagree with this reversion and suggest that it is reverted for the following reasons. Firstly, the guidelines recommend that editors should be bold and contributors do not need to discuss changes first. Secondly, the reversions seems to have been done in some haste and has resulted in new content and corrections being lost. In particular:
*The ridership figure has been reverted from a new referenced 41,000 figure to an earlier figure of 38,400.
*It removed the reference to the record usage figures during the recent 'carmagedon' weekend.
*It reintroduced the confusion in the lead sentence stating that Metrolink is the Southern California Regional Rail Authority rather than the edited text which stated that Metro was created by and is operated by the Southern California Regional Rail Authority which is more accurate.
*It moved the shocking fatality and injury figures from the first sentences of the accident sections putting them back at the end of the paragraphs.
*It reintroduced what seems to be a rather random section order where history and future expansion don't follow each other, where the 'governance' precede the list of the lines. My order put the key information about lines and fares first, followed by history and then the future and then finally the more specialist information about government and maintenance facilities.
Can I politely suggest that we revert this revert and then deal with any issues in the edited version one by one to avoid loosing a number of beneficial changes?
-- PeterEastern (talk) 18:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now done the revert for the reasons given above and have then edited the lead to remove the word 'extensive' from the lead which was objected to as a 'peacock' phrase and have corrected some other grammatical errors in the lead which I had introduced. PeterEastern (talk) 06:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion 23 July 2011 

message: Can we get an update? It's now 2012 and construction hasn't even started.I don't think it's even been approved yet.108.23.147.17 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The proposed Perris Valley Line extension to the 91 Line will link Riverside and Perris by 2012 

message: It is now August 2012 and construction hasn't even started. Supposedly a lawsuit is preventing the project from happening. Can someone PLEASE update the article?74.100.47.237 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The proposed Perris Valley Line extension to the 91 Line will link Riverside and Perris by 2012 

message: Is this section really encyclopedic or necessary for this page? It seems far too "insider" for the casual reader. --RickyCourtney (talk) 08:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: People searching for information on how Metrolink works will most likely understand the text just fine, they are researching things, after all. It looks encyclopedia to me. TrainsOnTime (talk) 18:03, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horns 

message: The recent copy edit unnecessarily sensationalizes the actions of the driver without taking the complexities of the situation.
"During the crash the truck caught fire, but the driver had left the vehicle before the collision. Oxnard Police found the driver a couple miles down the road unharmed and took him into custody." Earlier revision (link) The copy edit drew on the early accounts by changing that entry to the following:"The driver of the truck, who had left the vehicle prior to the crash and fled the scene, was later arrested." Contested revision (link) While early accounts in the media did characterize his actions in this way, the later coverage is more nuanced. He was found disoriented after having walked away from the scene. He was taken into custody but was not arrested until later. He was then released and a decision to arrest him will be made after a more complete report. Although the two sentences can be condensed into something shorter, this change is not consistent with the cautions urged when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Fettlemap (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My intention was to make the paragraph more concise, since there's a full article linked on the topic. I haven't been following the updates closely, sorry if the results displayed that. Hopefully somebody else can combine efficient summarization and accuracy better than myself. --jnkyrdsprkl (talk) 23:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major accidents: Oxnard, February 2015  

message: Coming up in September the Foothill Gold Line is expected to be completed all the way East to Azusa, and Metrolink passenger is expected to be carried on it, correct? I see Metrolink CEOs and such commenting on the new Metro segment so I'm wondering if the "Expansion" section should include the new Foothill Gold Line and the four cities it links. TrainsOnTime (talk) 18:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gold Line (Los Angeles Metro) is light rail run by the Los Angeles County MTA. Not Metrolink commuter rail. It's construction is not part of Metrolink expansion. oknazevad (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, thank you, I had thought so but observed Metrolink officials appearing in "Grand Openings" and commenting on the new rail, that confused me considerably. Thank you. TrainsOnTime (talk) 16:02, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Comment: It is worth noting, however, that the Perris Valley Line extension of the 91 Line should be opening some time this year. I think a recent blurb I saw about it implied that the timeframe is "a few months from now"... --IJBall (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion: Foothill Gold Line 

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message: Hey all,
Is it just me or does the incident subsections take up a decent amount of space in the articel? Should we propose a spinoff?
--TJH2018 talk 03:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the unbelievable number of fatalities, there should be a museum dedicated to Metrolink incidents. For years, there was a mile-long section along San Fernando Road in Glendale that divided a low-income neighborhood from the city. The nearest overgrade crossing was over a mile away. Over a dozen people died there before Metrolink put up a fence. One day at work, we were watching a news report about three people who were hit by the train... One guy said "hey, that's right here!", then another guy said "That must be my family!"... He was right. His wife and daughter were taking his elderly father to the doctor when the old man tripped on the tracks. The wife and daughter struggled to pull him off the tracks when the train came and struck them at 70 mph. Oh, big surprise, here's the story: http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-16/local/me-27684_1_metrolink-train  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incidents Spinoff 

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message: Why was the fleet section severely cut-down, when most other railroad operating company pages have full details, fleet lists, pictures, etc? David1544 (talk) 20:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Fleet Details 

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message: The new Arrow line opened, running from San Bernadino to Redlands, under Metrolink operation. I think it should be included on this page. SteelersDiclonious (talk) 14:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrow Opening 

message: So, I was thinking over the conundrum over whether or not to include the two event-only stations along the San Bernardino Line at Fairplex and the Auto Club Speedway in the total station counts for both the San Bernardino Line and the entire Metrolink system. Since they are not regularly serviced stations (unlike for example San Clemente Pier, it does have regular, albeit weekend-only service), I'm guessing this was why they weren't included in the various station counts prior to my most recent Metrolink-related edits. However, they are still proper stations with proper platforms (based on satellite imagery.)
Nevertheless, if we agree to not continue to include them in the station counts for both the San Bernardino Line and the entire Metrolink system, wouldn't it make sense to remove them from the route diagram templates for both? On the other hand, if we want to keep the stations in both route diagram templates in question, wouldn't it make sense to also include them in the station counts for both? I don't know, it just seems a bit contradictory to me. But yes, I was wondering if anyone else had any opinions on this? --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 22:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include two event-only stations along the San Bernardino Line?