Talk:Papal ban of Freemasonry/Archive 2

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Please add new archivals to Talk:Catholicism and Freemasonry/Archive02. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. SarekOfVulcan 01:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

message: The allegation "and certain State Chapters of the Catholic Knights of Columbus order allow Masons as members" is not documented and is very controversial if true.  As other fraternal Catholic orders have been repremanded by their bishops when they stray from church teaching on Freemasonry it is likely that if this policy were made public then these State Chapters would also be in trouble.
I'm going to change it to the following:
".  It has been alleged that certain Catholic fraternal orders, for example certain State Chapters of the American Knights of Columbus allow Freemasons as members, although these policies have attracted reprimands from Catholic bishops when they have been made public."
A bit long winded but I think that it puts both sides of the argument.
:Umm, if they're "alleged", how did they attract reprimands? --SarekOfVulcan 17:03, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "similar policies" rather than outright dual membership is better.  The Australian case did not involve (I believe) dual membership.  JASpencer 12:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "alleged" should remain in as it is in effect undocumented unless the letter is published.  JASpencer 12:17, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Undocumented Allegations

message: A fundamental critique of Freemasonry from both the Catholic and the Christian Fundamentalist perspectives has been an allegation of Deism, as opposed to a dogmatic acceptance of Jesus Christ as Son of God.  To remove this line, rather than modifying it, from a list of Catholic criticisms of Freemasonry is dangerous.
I will assume that the person who removed it did not notice the context in which this critique was put in.  It was not an objective statement of fact about Freemasonry but a report on what the Catholic Church through the Centuries has said on Freemasonry.
JASpencer 11:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deism

message: Please provide a source/sources (ie, documentation published by the dioceses referred to) to back up the claim that some English dioceses do not require Catholics being admitted into the Church/desiring full communion to give up membership in the Masons - this is a contentious issue, and all posts should be verifiable with sources.DonaNobisPacem 18:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Some Roman Catholic diocesan authorities in England do not consider Lodges under the jurisdiction of UGLE as "..an association which plots against the Church.." and make no requirement for resignation for those wishing to be admitted or readmitted to full communion with the Catholic Church."
If sources from the relevant dioceses can be given to indicate official policy, the section can be added back in.DonaNobisPacem 22:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban on membership - English dioceses