Talk:Live for Speed

message: I don't think the latest patch should be listed in the article....it is already out of date since patch U is out.  Unless someone wants to take the time to keep the patch level current, it ought to be removed Evenprime 22:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: latest patch

message: I removed the links to teams sites as I don't feel a dozen links to team sites belongs in the article. Most of the sites tell you nothing more than there is a team called xzy and racers a, b and c race for them and add nothing to the article. Please read Wikipedia:External_links before adding them back. - 80.43.76.120 18:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Wikipedia is not a link directory. You can link to an external link directory on the topic, but do not create the list on Wikipedia. -- intgr 04:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Team sites

message: Why aren't the units in SI? The automotive industry uses only SI units...
Good point, whoever made that unsigned comment. Please sign your comments in future though. Duke toaster 16:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SI units 

message: What is a Brain interface or BCI, and especially what does it have to do with LFS? I checked the Wikipedia article on BCI, but I fail to see the relation with LFS. Yet it appears in the 'Input' section of the summary overview. Is that subtle vandalism, or am I just missing the point?
Rschroev 23:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brain interface/BCI 

message: I would consider the FZ50 to be closer to a 911 than to the Ferrari 360. It is a 3.6L, rear engine, flat 6 . . . thats a 911. The 360 is a Mid engine 3.6L v8. Looks wise, the car has the profile/roofline of the Porsche with the lights from a Ferrari (looks more like a 575 than a 360, especially on the gtr version). BMan1113VR 19:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FZ50 Description 

message: There is now a dmoz category for this game, so I've removed the template from this page and added a link to the article. —Wrathchild (talk) 21:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Directory request

message: The cars section of the article is little more than a game guide, which is not in accordance with WP:NOT. The section contains nothing but car statistics, which is of no use for readers who do not play the game. I will remove the section if there are no objections. --Scottie_theNerd 09:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the car statistics come in very handy for players who would like to look up a tabular collection of car data, for comparison purposes, for example.  In addition, since the topic is a racing simulator, it is hardly out-of-scope to include specs about the cars, particularly since the cars are not production-based.  In attestation to this, there are several websites that explicitly copy the car stats wiki table on this page.  --K3rb 19:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a site that caters for players. Information should be of use to the general reader to understand the position of the game in real life. Game-specific information can easily be found specialised game sites such as GameFAQs, GamerWiki and E-Gamia. If other sites use spec tables like this one, that's more reason to remove the table from this article. --Scottie_theNerd 04:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: What sort of list then would be acceptable? See Need For Speed 1,2,3, HS, Porsche 2000, Most Wanted, Carbon, Gran Turismo, Rfactor has unofficial car/mod list, . They all have car lists and now I added A LINK to the LFS car list and it gets removed also?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.78.161.144 (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unsurprisingly, most of those articles have lists made by the same editors. We should be seeking to improve the quality of articles according to [[[WP:VG]] guidelines rather than cluttering them with non-essential information. I will raise this issue on the Video games WikiProject and see what others have to say. --Scottie_theNerd 22:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know who made up those guidelines or who actually thinks that car/track list in a game is non-essential information. I see it as very essential info, same as someone goes looking info about a movie and they most likely would like to know about the cast. Maybe it's not prudent to include the actual list to the article (ie. Gran Turismo series 400 or so cars or Grand Prix Legends' ~550 user made tracks), but to somehow include info of the lists, either by a collapsed list or a link to other article/website where one can find the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.78.161.144 (talk) 15:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Seeing as Live for Speed isn't a game, I wonder who what some editors think of changing the "Gameplay" heading to "Driving the Simulator"....Gameplay, I think, refers to strategy. Strategy isn't a part of the discussion under the "Gameplay" heading. E dog95 23:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gameplay refers to the mechanics of the game. Additionally, your claims of LFS not being a game have been refuted both here and at WT:VG#Input_required_on_debate_at_Live_for_Speed. --Scottie_theNerd 03:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the subheading? 

message: Seems that LFS would need some outside verification that it is not a video game or a new breed of video gaming called Simulation.  The American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=video%20game&ia=ahd4) defines video game as  "An electronic or computerized game played by manipulating images on a video display or television screen."  It does not sound like a good argument if someone on the inside claims to have the inside track no pun intended on cateloguing a piece of software as non-video-gamey. That would be self-defining.  There has to be a third party unbiased source to determine whether or not there is such a thing as a Simulation that is not a subset of Video Gamery.  Are there any out there? I have not heard of one, but perhaps someone who follows this sport would know of one.  It appears like a highbrow attempt at creating a caste within video gaming such that if one uses a wheel one is not among the hoi poloi (http://members.aol.com/njhoipoloi/feature/meaning.htm). Is it fantasy or reality? Both VG and Sims are not reality.
Regarding tables, if you look at the Ford WP entry they are a real car company and don't have tables or lists until 2 or 3 clicks in.  Perhaps LFS should have a Gloss in the main entry then real stats deeper in for those interested in further discovery.  WP may need to bend in this regard because there may be more and more Life going on in the ether, for example Second Life.  WP would be the place to go to discover other lands and it cannot suddenly say, "That's not our business."  If WP can't do it someone else will.  Kristinwt 06:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many aspects where Wikipedia can say "That's not our business", as defined by WP:NOT. The issue of debate regarding technical specifications of in-game material is how relevant it is to the article in general. --Scottie_theNerd 06:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: My comment was also about marketing scheme. Perhaps WP:NOT would need to change and allow more branches of input. I don't think it's possible for WPians to hold it static or stagnant.  The making of books there is no end. Likewise, WP is an endless book. Who is going to say, "this is the last article?" "This is the last edit."  Going back to my blurb about reality vs fantasy, where does reality stop and fantasy start? If software is better written then does that make it more real e.g's Edog95's contrasting VG and Sims, and how when Shrek came out it looked so "real." What happens if racing cars are one day maneuvered by drivers in a control room behind a monitor?  Will that be fantasy or will that be reality? But, that's another topic.  I'm just afraid that WP will one day say, "Stop." I rather like the "everybody contributes" philosophy and I hope it doesn't stop. I like the grand experiment. Kristinwt 04:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outside Corroboration 

message: Is there any way to archive this page? I mean it's rather long and I don't want to throw it all away. It's got some good stuff. But, it's sort of been sitting here a while. It has a lot of great discussion and education and passion. It won't be forgotten just moved to have the chapter closed so we can open a new chapter. WikiHow has a way to move it to the back burner where it can be seen if necessary, yet allow for continued discussion of a different sort. Kristinwt (talk) 06:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving possibilities 

message: The material in this new section has been copied and pasted from http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=849872#post849872. This is a copyright violation and needs to be written in a different manner. E_dog95'   Hi ' 22:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Live_for_Speed#Patch_Z|Patch Z]]