Talk:Shapur II

message: Now Shapur II redirects to Shapur II of Persia. Is there any reason for this? Would not it be better to have the opposite? --Panairjdde 23:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move this page? 

message: I never knew this. Where are some references? If this is true, it is ironic considering he persecuted/taxed Christians and Jews.
:More importantly, Burckhardt (The Age of Constantine the Great) says the Jews participated in the Christian persecution where (among others) 22 bishops were killed. Student7 (talk) 02:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Mom? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Shapur ii bust.jpg

message: According to the info box, Shapur was born in 215 CE. Does anyone else find this odd? I am sure he got daily exercise and had a good diet, but I don't believe he lived to 164! We should instead put 'unknown' for his birth date.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulgaroctonus (talk • contribs) 08:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ). Apparently he was "born king." Quite unusual. Have changed the dates. I think they are probably correct.Student7 (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:   Birthdate 

message: Why is no era given for the dates of events?  Is this some new Wikipedia norm that I wasn't aware of?  If it weren't for the reference to the Roman Empire, I wouldn't be able to tell which era was being referred to.  Has it become a no-no to indicate "AD" or "CE"?  I don't understand this. Clarification appreciated. 68.173.255.96 (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on Dates 

message: I've reverted an undiscussed move- I did check first, there are many more sources that don't use 'the great' than do. Please follow the instructions at WP:RM#CM in the future. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 21:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Great? 

message: In response to Yprpyq's edit warring and non usage of page numbers, I would like the page number in Daryaee's book for this sentence, "When Shapur came of age, he led an expedition through Bahrain in revenge, defeating the combined forces of the Arab tribes of "Taghlib", "Bakr bin Wael", and "Abd al-Qays" and advanced temporarily into Al-Yamama in central Najd, the heartland of Arabia.
Pages 16-17 in Daryaee's book, make no mention of Shapur going through Bahrain, no mention of Al-Yamama or of Shapur advancing into the "heartland of Arabia". Whereas this information sounds extremely like what is found on page 136, concerning Ardashir's invasion. Shapur, as per page 16, forced Arab tribes "into the heartland of Arabia", but it make no mention of Shapur and his army advancing there. This is a clear case of original research and may explain why no page numbers are being supplied for the Daryaee source.
This sentence, "The Taghlib tribe was settled in Darayn (a port in Bahrayn) and al-Khaṭṭ; the Abd al-Qays and Tamim were settled in Hajar, and the tribe of Bakr bin Wael was settled in Kerman and the Hanazila in Ramila (vicinity of Ahwaz).", has been copy and pasted from the Daryaee source page 17, which makes it plagiarism, perhaps another reason why there are no page numbers.  --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research and plagiarism 

message: , i find quite strange that a user like you, who did not contribute to the extensive thread in the talk page, comes up here to revert a version of the article who is a compromise, i mean, the source was not removed, i just balanced the text by adding a source given by Doug Weller above, per WP:WEIGHT. Also, please keep in mind that i tried to be as precise as possible in my edit summary. The current version is endorsed by a single user : Kleuske, this is not exactly what one would call "consensus". Also, since you have not contributed a single time to the talk page and nevertheless allows yourself to revert to a controversial text, i think you can keep your "advices" for yourself. Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) 18:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think you should not misrepresent other editors in your edit summaries. Also, please see WP:OWN. Best regards, —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 18:45, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  : Since you're accusing me of "misrepresenting" other editors, please go ahead and tell me when i did so. If you cannot, then stop your personal attacks.---Wikaviani (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus ? 

message: Daryaee is not a linguist and his book may have spelling errors. Check out wikitionary  and A Concise Pahlavi Dictionary By D. N. Mackenzie. both only mentioned dēwār. and both wār and war do not mean wall in middle persian (pahlavi).GGBarBar (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia can't be cited as a source. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: lmao. did i cited wikipedia? I said go check out them. are you blind? you don't see A Concise Pahlavi Dictionary By D. N. Mackenzie above? you should prove word "war" = wall in middle persian or pahlavi. and use a linguistic source.GGBarBar (talk) 15:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can't just say 'check A Concise Pahlavi Dictionary By D. N. Mackenzie'. What is the source even? What page? Nice one. Also, since you have such a hard time clicking the link yourself, it seems I must do it for you, here you go  To keep the Arabs from mounting further attacks Shabuhr II constructed a defensive system which was called war i tazigan ("wall of the Arabs"). Here you go, there is your proof. I'm reverting back to what it was before, revert me and I'll directly report you to an admin for constant removal of sourced information. Also, keep a nice tone, no need to call me blind. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: dude, you want to abuse reporting system? then go for it. there is nothing such as "war" in middle persian. that's a misspelled in that book. this is my proof: if you don't know anything about persian and middle persian, then just stop acting as an expert. watch your language too. you attacked me first. don't play victim card.GGBarBar (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: How did I attack you? Show some proof. Also can you not speak so aggressively? We're not in a forum. Also, yes, I will indeed take this to an admin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: your edit summaries are aggressive and insulting intelligence of another user. go find a linguistic book instead of dropping a history book here. "war" does not exist in middle persian. you say it's correct. then prove it. just browser that D. N. Mackenzie book and find it. even wiktionary does not mention it as an alternative spelling. i am iranian and i speak persian fluently. so stop teaching me about persian and iranian history. either you have a good source for your claims or you just try to stick to daryayee's book as if it's a error-free book. understand it or you need more explanation? yes, call an admin. maybe you can learn some civility.GGBarBar (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: This seems like damage control to me. Anyways; Yes I reverted his good faith edit and restored the original information (and added a citation which I forgot to do in the first place). Daryaee is one of the most prominent Iranologists there is, him making "probable misspellings" is your own assumption, which is not valid in this case. Also, no, I never said my edit is correct because it sounds like "wall", you're literally putting words in my mouth at this point. Removing sourced information is indeed disruptive. As for the  "insult" accusations, I'm not even gonna answer that, it's quite clear who insults who. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: your Daryaee is iranologist but not a linguist and that term does not exits in middle persian. and misspelled word is not my assumption, i have already provided a reliable pahlavi dictionary which is written by David Neil MacKenzie, a scholar of iranian languages. you can't find such thing like "war = wall" in his book. only "dewar". so my edits are not only correct but also backed up by a linguistic source written by an expert. also wiktionary does not mention your word too. that's your burden to prove "war = wall" in middle persian. as if daryayee and his book are god-like stuff here. you just repeat yourself without find more sources for your claim. just one source which is history book and it's against a work by a linguist. so what would you? trying to convincing admins to ban me? yeah, you already did it. the way you treat new user and people who disagree with you is just awful. reverting their edits and ignoring them? huh? this is a dispute and my points/edits are legit.GGBarBar (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't mean the word is misspelt. Also your source simply states what 'wall' means in Middle Persian, not 'wall of the Arabs', which means it has nothing to do with the context of the information. Also, it's no secret that Daryaee is much more prominent in the academic world compared to MacKenzie. Furthermore, for the second time, wiktionary/wikipedia is not a reliable source. Just gonna ignore the rest of your statement, throwing rude accusations isn't gonna make your case stronger. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: basically your whole rationale is: i'm right and i love daryayee so "Daryaee is much more prominent in the academic world compared to MacKenzie". illogical and ridiculous response. how did you reach to such conclusion? daryaee or whatever is a historian and mackenzie is a linguist. so obviously mackenzie knows more than daryaee in this field. and you don't get my point why i mentione wiktionary. nobody says wiktionary is a source. my whole point is "dēwār" is the only word you can find for "wall" in middle persian. do you have any other source that support Daryaee's work/claim? where did that "wār" come from? parthian? another source that says that name is correct. you can't drop words just because you see them in a book and you think author of that book is 1000% right. if you can't solve these issues, then ask another editor to come here and solve it. and don't act like a snowflake. how did i insult you? this is not a forum but users like you deserve your own medicine. even your username proves you think you are always right and iranian articles belong to you. you don't own anything here my friend. as i said, i'm iranian and i have come here to contribute to iranian topics. you can go see my edits. do you see any disruptive stuff there? trying to ban/block my account just removes an iranian from editing this project (wikipedia's loss) and as we know the number of iranian users are low. but if you think i was aggressive and harsh, i change my tone.GGBarBar (talk) 16:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonna let an admin take it from here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Wut, he just got away with removing sourced information, calling me blind, snowflake and whatnot. I was acting properly the majority of the time, how I am being categorized in the same place as him is beyond me. This is disappointing. Whatever, I'll take it somewhere else then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Darayee and the and Encyclopaedia Iranica state war i tazigan
*Qādesiya was likely a garrison town in the network of Sasanian fortifications known as the “Wall of the Arabs” (MPers. war ī tāzīgān; see Šahrestānīhā ī Ērānšahr, p. 43).  --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Yep; This is what a commentary on the translation of the Šahrestānīhā ī Ērānšahr, a Middle Persian text on geography, says; - might as well put the whole quote here since I know some ain't gonna click on the link ; 
 --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: An entire paragraph in boldface is a bit much. I switched it to blockquote. El_C 19:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is a RFC really still neccessary at this point? I mean it's three academic sources vs a dictionary (which is unrelated to the context of the information). This is my laziness and logic speaking. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps not. I'll give the other party a chance to reply, but if that reply is not substantive enough (in demonstrating that the argument isn't based on original research) or if it isn't forthcoming, I am inclined to switch to status quo ante for the duration of the protection. El_C 20:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: It has been 4 days with no response from GGBarBar, in which time they edited two other articles. I believe the article should be restored status quo ante. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

text: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/qadesiya-battle is written by D. Gershon Lewental, not Daryaee. There isn't a single reference of Daryaee in the source. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: “Wall of the Arabs” (MPers. war ī tāzīgān; see Šahrestānīhā ī Ērānšahr, p. 43). my point is iranica uses it and it is a academic source. so i drop my debate for now (as i said above). daryaee or whatever does not matter here. the used term matters. but how "dewar" becoming "war" is unsolved and it is not related to this article. i may ask wiktionary editors about it. i have nothing more to say here. restore your edits.GGBarBar (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing is unsolved, the term is "war" per the various sources, it's quite simple actually. But yes restored the edit will be. Now I can perhaps expand the article in peace. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: it's not simple. just stop acting as if you know everything. you are not a linguist. i said i didn't find any counter arguments in persian and english references so i drop my concern for now unless i find something about it. this is the only simple and solved part of this discussion.GGBarBar (talk) 03:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are having such a hard time grasping something so simple then perhaps Wikipedia is not something for you. I'll stop acting like I know everything when you stop having a immature and toxic attitude. I'm done here, good day- --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology 

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