Talk:Our Lady of the Angels School fire

message: It appears that the section about the Life Magazine cover is wrong. The article states that the December 15, 1958 cover shows the firefighter carrying out a dead victim, however a cover search at Life.com reveals this:
http://www.life.com/Life/cover_search/view?coverkeyword=&startMonth=12&startYear=1958&endMonth=12&endYear=1958&pageNumber=1&indexNumber=2
...which is most definitely not the image described. Maybe I'm missing something here, so if the article is wrong, then correct it; otherwise, please show some evidence of the cover described for interested parties.  Correction has been made by DennisJOBrien@yahoo.com on September 3, 2007, as the photo is indeed on an inside article within the magazine rather than on the cover itself.
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In December 1,1958 fire broke out in a stairway in the Our Lady of the Angels School.♠
This article needs a narrative description to go along with the diagrams. --Metropolitan90 08:23, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
These drawings appear to have been taken from http://www.olafire.com/FireStages.asp?S=2.
New narrative description added February 15, 2006 by DennisJOBrien@yahoo.com, as well many successive general improvements of the entire article.  All facts cited aretaken from the two books on the subject and summarized from the OLA official website.
* The cover seen on the OLA website clearly states December 15, 1958. Maybe it is a special about the disaster? WhisperToMe 04:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Life Magazine Cover

message: I strongly suggest someone get permission or independantly recreate the explanations for the diagrams. By themselves they aren't the most interpretable, or look (like the last one) like someone scrawled on them... Thanx... 68.39.174.238 00:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of the images 

message: The charter school Nuestra America closed in 2002, anyone know if the former Our Lady of the Angels school building is being used currently?  If so, what as-- a school, apartments, something else?  Jaguara 16:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I e-mailed Eric Morgan, olafire.com's webmaster, asking if the school building was currently in use.  Mr. Morgan informed me that it was currently leased by Galapagos Elementary Charter School.  Jaguara 19:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that a bit more can be gleaned about GECS by going here.  Does the address check out? Renaissance 2010  Carptrash 20:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charter School 

message: A list of all the hospitals to which victims were taken is just one example of extraneous information in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.59.115 (talk) 01:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've deleted that information. ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 18:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  simply too long 

message: * Secter, Bob. "Our Lady of Angels School fire." Chicago Tribune.
WhisperToMe (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Stuff

message: No sooner does page protection expire than a new IP shows up and adds the name again. At this point I'm leaning towards permanent semi-protection, though that does feel a little like a nuclear option. My position is that this has been going on for far too long, and while I and others have repeatedly requested a source citing the boy's name, no one has been able to produce one. It seems to be added mostly by IPs, so I think permanent semi-protection would mitigate the worst of it. Would anyone like to weigh in, for or against?
I'd also like to add that the lack of a source is not for lack of trying; I've been searching out everything I can related to the fire, and nowhere have I found a reliable source for the boy's name. NekoKatsun (talk) 00:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again! I agree it seems extreme to enact permanent semi-protection, but at some point it might be the only option. Ever the optimist, I did create a talk page for the latest IP and asked for a source but I know it's unlikely to help. ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protected, 1 year. --NeilN talk to me 20:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arsonist's Name... again. 

message: Johnathon Cain of the rock group "Journey" was amoung the survivers. Testimony thru "Paula White Ministries"(Youtube)
75.143.110.238 (talk) 22:25, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2015 

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replies: text: Looks good to me. Of course this is my first time checking a bot's work, so if another editor wants to have a second look, I'd appreciate it. NekoKatsun (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :Glowacki took injured children into her candy store beside the school to escape the winter chill while they awaited medical attention. Neighbors and parents raced into the school to rescue students on the lower floor or erect ladders outside that proved to be too short for the second floor. 74-year-old Ed Klock suffered a stroke while attempting to assist the children. Residents of houses along Avers Avenue opened their doors to provide sanctuary and warmth for the children.
"escape the winter chill ... raced into the school ... opened their doors to provide sanctuary and warmth" -- need I say more? EEng 04:46, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate tone and style 

message: Add mention of Daniel Grimaldi's role in rescuing students during the fire. The olafire.com includes this regarding Daniel Grimaldi's role: "Daniel was returning home from nearby barbershop, when he saw children streaming out of the school. 'I ran to the school and went right in through the front door. It seemed all right there, so I ran upstairs. As soon as I got to the second floor, I saw smoke so thick you couldn't move. The boys and girls were screaming for help. I shouted "Grab my hand." Some of them grabbed my hand and I led them back down the stairs.' He soon found that his two children, Frank and Mary Anne, had safely escaped on their own." <ref>http://www.olafire.com/people.asp#G<ref> <ref>http://www.olafire.com/NewsFrame.asp?id=16<ref> 
A quick search online produces references to Daniel Grimaldi in the Terre Haute Tribune, Indianapolis Star, and Miami Daily News papers as well. <ref>https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/105708357/<ref> <ref>https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/30264654/<ref> <ref>https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/83980246/<ref>Jakowalczyk (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request to Rescue section-Include Daniel Grimaldi 

message: Suggested revision is at the end of the message you are reading.  In the section about Room 211 (one of the rooms in that school), there is this sentence at the end:
Sister Mary Helaine O'Neill, the teacher, was severely burned died on September 27, 1975.
I think I understand what information is being communicated, but the above sentence's structure is defective.  Please change to the following (assuming it's correct -- I was able to find the names of the three nuns who died as result of this fire):
Sister Mary Helaine O'Neill, the teacher, was severely burned, but survived; she died on September 27, 1975. 167.102.56.146 (talk) 19:06, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2017 

message: Request to add to chronicled list of books (in paragraph 3) and also in the Further Reading section:
The Immaculate Deception by Robert Chiappetta (Page Publishing, 2015) 173.15.99.217 (talk) 14:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Waddie96 (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Dolotta (talk) 20:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2018 

message: Wicki link says it"s a plumbing nipple. Wrong context. 2603:6000:D700:194D:757A:F2C5:8D33:BA36 (talk) 23:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Noun. pipe chase (plural pipe chases) A narrow space between walls through which plumbing is run." NekoKatsun (nyaa) 20:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a "pipe chase"? 

message: Under "Popular Culture," the "Our Obligation" link leading to the Internet Archive returns a message on the site that reads, "This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine" (as of 2023.1115) Laine515 (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, I'd add a  template, but this is a bare URL in the article body that probably shouldn't be there.   signed, Willondon (talk)  20:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link - unfamiliar w/ editing 

message: The Our Lady of the Angels personal website disputed an aspect attributed to Mary Helaine O'Neill (a nun of the BVM Sisters who taught at OLA), which did not happen because of a lack of a stairwell.
Firstly, O'Neill died in 1975 (in other words, no BLP considerations in this discussion):
*  - Clipping at Newspapers.com
There had been stories in newspapers stating that she bridged a stairwell to help students cross over such as in this opinion commentary:
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However, if she had had access to a stairwell, then the death rate in her classroom would have been lower. From what I see in OLA-related articles, her classroom never did have access to a stairwell. The OLA personal website had stated that there was no evidence of where the statement came from.
The death toll of Room 211 (O'Neill's classroom) was 24.
* 24 is stated in:  (while the source says 24 bodies were removed, at least one of those 24 students had died in the hospital...
William R. Edington (last student to die, was in Room 211) died in 1959:
*  - Clipping at Newspapers.com.
* Death announcement:  - Clipping at Newspapers.com
This is why opinion sections are not the best sourcing for Wikipedia: there is less, if any, fact checking of articles.
Nobody had inserted the O'Neill stairwell story in the article, but I made this section to be proactive. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Access to a stairwell for Mary Helaine O'Neill's classroom