Talk:Axel Olof Freudenthal

message: Why Freudenthals extremely racist and xenophobic (finnophobic) views are not covered in this article ? Freudenthal was basically nazi in a era that nazi's did not yet exists. He for example considered that Swedes belong to Aryan master race and Finnish speakers were part of lower Turanic race. 
This is not an political pov but historical fact. See Aira Kemiläinen: Finns in the shadow of the Aryans ISBN-10: 9517100930 or Fredrick Singleotn: A short history of Finland ISBN-10: 0521647010. Freudenthals extreme racism and radicalism was the collective base of the Swedish movement in Finland during his days. I dont see any reason why this, important part of his person is completely neglected in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.205.242 (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not covered, since they do not exist. The myths around Freudenthals racist ideology can be most likely to trace in Finnish-speaking nationalistic websites which have falsely recited citats from Fennoman, L.A Puntilas work ("Ruotsalaisuus Suomessa). Despite being an ardent fennoman, not even Puntila has put the widely-spread themes to Freudenthal 'mouth'. Freudenthal was arguably a Scandinavisist, and did not have too flattering view on Ethnic-Finns, however his motives were not defaming Finlands Finnish-speaking population. He worked for Swedish, not against Finnish. Besides, why would Freudenthals allaged racist views should be mentioned or overemphasized in the first place? It would be like reconstructing Luther solely and completely as an ardent jew-hater, without mentioning that whole catholic church and Europe in general was very hostile towards jews during the 15th century. Besides, the racist-tinge of the Svecoman movement is already covered in the svecoman-article itself, there's no need to canalize that to a single person. Racist motives was found on both Svecoman and Finnish-minded circuitsPodomi (talk) 11:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Freudenthals racial theories are well known and need to be mentioned in the article. This is about historical person, stop projecting modern politics into topic. I have added paragraph, well sourced, into the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.205.242 (talk) 16:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freudenthals race theories and racism 

message: From the article: "It could be said that A.O Freudenhtal was pioneering the values that Nazi-movement was later build on."
Sure. It could also be said that the moon is made of green cheese: "The moon is made of green cheese". There, see, I said it. Doesn't make it true, though, now does it? Anything "could be said"; the phrase is pure weasel-fluff.
Oh, BTW: If we are going to keep anything like that sentence, the correct English would be "pioneered", not "was pioneering"; "the Nazi movement", not "[no article] Nazi-movement"; and "was ... built", not "was ... build". -- CRConrad (talk) 07:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classic weasel words: ''"It could be said"'' 

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