Talk:Battle of Friedland

message: This is a well written, fluent narrative that provides the reader with most of the salient facts as they unfolded in time and space at Friedland. The foundation has been laid for an eventual top-rated article.
However, one thing that I would have liked to see included is a discussion of Bennigsen's incredible strategic error of sending his troops westward across the Alle -- into a horseshoe-shaped stretch of land -- with the French to the Russians' front and the river to their backs.
Of course, when the Russians came under intense artillery fire and needed to maneuver backwards to maintain their formations, they were hemmed-in by the river. As a result, the French had them trapped.
Bennigsen's decision to put his army in this position is regarded as one of the most reckless, ill-considered moves made by any major commander in the Napoleonic Wars.
I have not read very much about Friedland, so I still don't know why Bennigsen made this mistake. I do think though that Benngisen's lack of judgment was an important part of this battle.
Bennigsen was a bold, intrepid commander who never lost his nerve regardless of the stress he faced. He had the character of a great leader; he was a towering personality. These were valuable traits for a general in his era. But the man lacked the intellectual depth necessary to command large bodies of troops in the field against opponents such as the French.
Kenmore 11:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bennigsen's folly in crossing the Alle 

message: Someone who wages an edit war and changes the numbers in the infobox every month should bring it to the talk page instead of adding misleading information to the page. What you have added to the 'Strength' section contradicts the sources and the article and is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 10:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism in the infobox

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have reverted this change, see WP:ONUS. Of the claimed references cited.
This website is questionable at best. It claims the French strength was 71,000 men, and the Russians 76,000 men. Howver, the author contradicts without explanation his own references which appear at the bottom of the article. French Order of Battle for Friedland: 14 June 1807 gives a French strength of 75,000-80,000, and a Russian strength of 46,000. Napoleon Guide: Battle of Friedland gives a French strength of 80,000 and a Russian strength of 60,000 (although apparently saying 40,000 men were actually involved). The War of Wars: The Epic Struggle Between Britain and France: 1789-1815 by Robert Harvey gives a French strength of 80,000 and a Russian strength of 60,000. So as those are the only works he cites, it is extremely unclear why he ignores that and cites figures apparently from thin air. So the website can be ignored. And if anything, the references he cites support the consensus infobox totals of 80,000 French versus 46,000-60,000 Russians.
French Order of Battle at Friedland 14 June 1807 gives the following
*Right side as 
*Centre as , reserves as 
*Centre left as 
*Left as  (very important caveat, this is wrong. Looking at the units detailed they are
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For a total of 77,381. 
Russian Order of Battle at Friedland l4 June l807 gives the following
*Left as 
*Right as 
*Reserves as 
*Detached from army as 
For a total of 55,000, obviously excluding the detached units.
These PDF orders of battle clearly do not support the new infobox figures.
This leaves the remaining claimed reference, , which is not available to view on Google Books. Per the complaint at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Battle of Friedland Page, this editor misrepresented David Chandler's The Campaigns of Napoleon in this change. They have frequently misrepresented references on other articles, so I am unwilling to allow this claimed reference to stand unless verified by an editor in good standing.
Since the new references I can verify don't support the new figures (and serve only to reinforce that the original figures were correct), I have reverted the change. Consensus is needed for these new figures. FDW777 (talk) 15:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: C class. All material in the battle section currently has no citations. Hence, it no longer meets B class criteria. Djmaschek (talk) 01:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: B class assessment withdrawn

message: Please note that Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters states against "result" that "this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive"." The infobox has been amended to reflect this. Please read the template "result" guidance in full before amending or reverting. It would probably be best to discuss any proposed change here first to seek consensus. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox "Result"