Talk:Kerry Wood

message: Kerry Wood an important enough player to have a photo up. Oren0 23:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Add a picture

message: This week's lengthy NYT piece cites unnamed statisticians who believe Wood's 20K game is the best pitching performance ever, but my citation of it was deleted. What's up? It's not my opinion. I'm reporting what a highly reputable news source says is common opinion. While the judgement is subjective, it adds content to the article because not all readers will be familiar with baseball statistics and understand the magnitude of Wood's accomplishment. If I'm unfamiliar with baseball I might not understand that 20Ks is a big deal, whereas I would understand if it was explained to me that the game is regarded by many to be among the best single performances ever. Regards. --Beaker342 06:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been fixed. Thanks --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   01:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  20Ks 

message: From time to time, editors become wrapped up in the daily news surrounding their subjects.  THis is to be expected.  However, when additions are made that essentially bring the daily news about a subject into the article, that would seem not to be important enough to include in an encyclopedia article about the subject.  
In this case, the inclusion of "Wood was placed on the 15-day DL on July 24, 2008 with a blister on his right index finger" in the article seems to me to be rather unimportant in the context of a biographical article about Kerry Wood.
* Wikipedia:Relevance_of_content
* Wikipedia:Trivia_sections
* Wikipedia:Handling_trivia
While I can see the relevance of Wood's selection to the 2008 All-Star tema, it could be better integrated into the article.
I will leave the above-identified trivia in the article for a few days to see what other comments people may have. Justus R (talk) 14:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your making up policies that do not exist by misinterpreting some essays not policies. Out of those three links you provided, only the second is partially a policy - the others are essays. A trivia section would be blatantly obvious, like Len Kasper#Trivia. The very fact that Wood got injured is not trivial, but something that has happened, and has been among the teams biggest stories right now - Google News has over 500 RS's about the incident. There is content can only be limited by Wikipedia's Verifiability and sourcing policies. Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policies do not dictate that content can be removed because its too new - in fact there's an entire section on the main page and an entire Wikia specifically devoted to the latest. As long as the information is verifiable, neutral, relevant, and accurate, it can be added to an article see WP:NNC. Also, I find it strange you support the fact to add that Wood was selected to the All-Star game, yet did not actually play in the game due to the blister that put him on the DL. ;) --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   16:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  First, I do not "support" the 2008 All-Star selection, I merely do not oppose it at this time.  The part about the number of team mates selected seems rather trivial, however, and something that would be added by a fan rather than someone writing for an encyclopedia.  On the other hand, placing him on the disabled list is trivial.  I could see that it could be used, however, to highlight the fact that he has quite often been injured.  In that case, the citation would better be included in a paragraph about his many injuries.  In addition, if the injury turns out to be career ending, it, it could be appropriate to include the date as the beginning of the end of his career. Justus R (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: The current reference doesn't state that Biggio said anything about Wood's performance. Regarding the ace comment, pretend for a second that this is an encylcopedia and not a fan site where everyone who reads it knows the '98 roster by heart. Verifiability, not truth (or personal opinion for that matter); find a source if you want challenged material to stay included. If it's so obvious there shouldn't be any trouble finding one, and certain editors could use the practice of adding cites/refs. dfg (talk) 08:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biggio "quote" + Ace 

message: This is again sounding like a Kerry Wood fan blog.  If such up to date information is to be added, perhaps try to make it read more like an encyclopedia.  I will remove it for now.Justus R (talk) 05:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Events Narration 

message: Recent addition of:
"He received a standing ovation from Cubs fans when the Cleveland Indians played at Wrigley Field on June 19. 
does not belong in an encyclopedia article.  Unless, that is, we are going to list every standing ovation received by a sports figure.  If you disagree, please sign in and discuss here rather than edit warring. Justus R (talk) 18:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a specific policy that the aforementioned line is violating? If content is sourced by a reliable source and clearly relevant to the section, then it is worthy of inclusion (WP:NNC). The Chicago Cubs section already discusses Wood's reluctance to voluntary leave the Cubs organization, and establishes that he had close ties to organization. Assuming you follow sports, how often do you hear of fans gladly welcoming their former players back? Do you think Cubs fans would openly welcome back Mark Prior or LaTroy Hawkins if they stepped into Wrigley? --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   19:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My two cents ... This kind of thing happens all the time. In the scope of Wood's baseball career, I don't think the ovation bears mentioning. Lots of players are warmly welcomed back at stadiums they once called home. Unfortunately, such trivia is rampant in articles about current athletes. But that doesn't make it encyclopedic. (Parenthetically, as a lifelong, die-hard, suffering Indians fan, I say the Cubs can have him back! ;^)) --sanfranman59 (talk) 20:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

text:  This policy has something to say about this subject: (WP:NOT#NEWS)"While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information."  I would venture to say that an article about Nolan Ryan would not include a report of an ovation at when he returned to pitch at Anaheim while with the Texas Rangers.  In historical context, such an event is not notable.Justus R (talk) 15:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not believe WP:NOTNEWS would specifically cover a subject like this. The very first sentence of the section reads, "News coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, but not all events warrant an encyclopedia article of their own" - it appears to deal with articles themselves and not their content. WP:NNC, states that "A lack of notability does not necessarily mean that reliably sourced information should be removed from Wikipedia. Consider merging such content to a more appropriate article." There GA-rated articles, like Ryan Braun, which go into detail about the player's entrance music, batting tendencies, and awards. Things that are "notable" and non-notable really fall under an editors own judgment based on its relevence to the topic or surrounding material. I will agree with you that there is information that is blatantly trivial in baseball related articles. In this article for example, an editor randomly mentions that Wood is friends with Eddie Vedder. The comment is not only unsourced, but is mentioned out of the blue with no context to Wood's other musical tastes or hobbies.  --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   19:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   I would agree that the policy does not directly and specifically cover the current subject.  However, it can be useful for guidance on the type of information that should be included in an article.  In my opinion, the inclusion of the information under discussion does not add useful knowledge to the article.  So I would rather it not be included.  If others want to include it, then I will acquiesce. (BTW, feel free to delete the Vedder reference.) Justus R (talk) 13:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it does add useful knowledge to the article. It tells the reader that Cubs fans still appreciated him even after he left the team. This isn't true for most baseball players. Perhaps it could be reworded as "Cubs fans showed their appreciation by giving him a standing ovation when the Cleveland Indians played at Wrigley Field on June 19. " Paranoid schizoid android (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial information re: Standing Ovation 

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message: new here so any help is appreciated. Figured that it was worth noting the troubles Wood had leading up to his final outing of his once promising career vs. the White Sox. Tossed his glove and hat into crowd in frustration over arm troubles in penultimate outing of his career. 
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/kerry-wood-loses-his-cool-loss-braves
"Kerry Wood walked off the mound and squeezed his glove before throwing it into the stands. He tossed his hat to the fans before disappearing into the dugout."
https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-pitcher-kerry-wood-retires-after-final-outing-c31622076
"[My arm] wasn't bouncing back this year," Wood said. "I felt I was putting guys in the 'pen in situations that they didn't need to be put in, putting Dale in situations where his hands were tied using me. I didn't want to go out with my last inning being me throwing my glove in the seats. I wanted to put up a zero and at least get one guy out." Bdlittle (talk) 23:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wood's final season 

message: In the details box it says "Chicago Cubs (1998, 2000–2008)" but shouldn't it be 1998–2008? I get that he missed the entirety of the 1999 season, but he still was a member of the Cubs franchise. It's not like they cut him and resigned him in 2000. Sportzak (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting point. I cannot find anything official in Template:Infobox baseball biography, but other baseball subjects' infoboxes tend to omit seasons if a player was injured and did not play in a single regular or postseason game. This is the case with FA-tier article Billy Martin. The infoboxes for Dave Winfield, Kendrys Morales and Carlos Carrasco (baseball) also seem to omit entire seasons their subject missed due to injuries. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response. Just looked at a few others like David Wright and Grady Sizemore and the pattern holds. So guess that's standard even if it's not explicitly mentioned in the Template. Interesting choice, but I can see the merit I guess.  Sportzak (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  1999 season