Talk:Open-mid back unrounded vowel

message: The caveat for English phonetic transcription really only applies to English English, as GA really does use the open-mid back unrounded vowel (though specific American dialects use everything in the range [ɐ~ɜ~ʌ~ɔ]).  Dave 06:48, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
:What's your source for this? Ladefoged working on Southern Californian English for the IPA handbook has [ɐ], and Southern Californian is basically GA. The vowel is different from Vietnamese [ʌ]. kwami 09:43, 2005 September 8 (UTC)
::I have not read Ladefoged, but it is not unreasonable that some of the Northern California Vowel Shift (or influence from Spanish?) could be lowering/fronting the /ʌ/ phoneme.  Either way, however, neither the speech of Northern or Southern California is representative of what anyone would call "General American".  I've been exposed to speakers from every geographic region of the U.S., and I can indeed tell you that for everyone east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon Line - including myself - /ʌ/ is definitely a back vowel.
::As for comparing these values to Vietnamese, it seems nobody can even agree on what the phonetic values are.  So that's not the best point for comparison.  For contrast, though, I'd say that I notice when people front /ʌ/ from where I (as a reasonably-GA speaker) am used to hearning it.  The worst culprits are the Aussies and American Southerners (who also lengthen it, like they do to all other short vowels).  I'm also increasingly hearing it on the BBC.  So take that for whatever it's worth.
:: Dave 05:00, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
:::Living in Connecticut, I agree. Centralized doesn't sound right, and it seems I would have to go some distance before hearing it as a non-prototypical /ʌ/ (granted, I haven't been to every possible location in the US. As such, I don't think the article is accurate as stated, and leaves out the largest US region that uses it. Gumbini (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, that is definitely not what dialectologists and sociolinguists note for North America. Most North American realizations are central. – ishwar  (speak) 21:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, he specifically mentions speakers from Johnston, Ohio as consistently having  (because he has lots of data from that town, it seems that's where his mother's from). And he says "most" of the Texas speakers in his data have this vowel. – ishwar  (speak) 04:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Various English realization of [ʌ]

message: I don't believe those are the only dialects with this sound - I am Canadian (but not a Newfoundlander) and my dialect still contains this sound. Interchangeable|talk to me 16:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you could seek out a source that says as much.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 00:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newfoundland and Philadelphia? 

message: Article needs treatment of how exactly this sound differs from ə. — LlywelynII 07:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what is your question. Both of these vowels are unrounded.  is mid and central, while  is open-mid and back (or near-back). Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 14:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [[ə]]

message: Older RP indeed had something close to  (yes, front), or near-open , much like Cockney. Its presence in the table was probably due to the text below it. I have nothing against removing it, as the typical RP  is, as you know, . Gimson (2014) states that  (near-back) is regaining its prestige value, and describes it as being an alternative to  in the General British accent. Mr KEBAB (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Older RP 

message: Unless World War II directly caused the shift, which would need further explanation, it shouldn't be a reference of time since it simply isn't the reason for it. --2.245.156.161 (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II 

message: The article says this symbol, ʌ, is called a wedge, caret or hat. When I go to this website and mouse over the symbol, it calls it a turned "v" or hut. "Hut" makes more sense to me than "hat" because it has the sound of the vowel. Has anyone else heard of the symbol ʌ being called turned "v" or hut? DBlomgren (talk) 23:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically it is a turned "v", so you might as well call it so. Mr KEBAB (talk) 01:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of this symbol: ʌ