Talk:Afghan Girl

message: There should be more on how the National Geographic impacted the public and what makes the picture iconic, to the point people were still curious after decades. walk victor falk talk 16:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. The interest is still there, as this talk page itself shows! Andrewa (talk) 03:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion of [[Afghan_Girl#1984_photograph]]

message: In one of the previous discussions Phan Thi Kim Phuc was noted as an example of the subject of a famous and award-winning photo who has her own article, with the popular photo title Napalm Girl redirected to it. I don't think it's a parallel, as Phan Thi Kim Phuc has pursued a considerable public life since the photograph. Andrewa (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Another famous photo

message: there was no consensus, meaning no decision was arrived at - wrong. The decision was not to move.
That said, there seems to be agreement to split. Disagree. There is no consensus on that as of yet, and little interest even in discussing it so far. I'll open a new section on that below.
:Done, see #Proposed split. Andrewa (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Andrew if you don't care where the history ends up after a split, but I do, why oppose me? There's absolutely no difference in the amount of work required.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I disagree about there being absolutely no difference in the amount of work required. Andrewa (talk) 02:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Some detailed replies

message: As indicated above, I have refactored the article to reflect its topic as the photo rather than its subject. 
This may well be the first time in its long history that the article title, lede and structure are all in step.
There is still much to do. It's not terribly tidy, and there's still the unresolved question of whether the personal details should be split out to a biographical article. Andrewa (talk) 18:23, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post refactor 

message: It's stated above that there is consensus to split the article into two, one on the photo and the other a bio of the subject.  I disagree that there's consensus as yet on this, in fact I see little interest in even discussing the proposal. But it should be discussed, obviously. 
I have added a split template to the article.  Andrewa (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify... by this page I assume you mean the page currently at Afghan Girl, and if the image of the photo is to stay, that means that the topic of the page will be the photo, not the person, after any split? Andrewa (talk) 02:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The topic of the Afghan Girl article should be the photograph "Afghan Girl". NickCT (talk) 13:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed split

message: "However, there were a number of women who came forward and identified themselves erroneously as the famous Afghan Girl. In addition, after being shown the 1984 photo, a handful of young men falsely claimed Gula as their wife."
How sure are we that all the women were just "erroneous" and all of the men were being deliberately "false"? In lieu of some evidence can we synchronize these terms? I'm going to be bold.122.221.182.178 (talk) 06:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch the NatGeo special where they chase down the false leads. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awkward wording. 

message: hi may be this news helpful to expanding this article
http://www.dawn.com/news/1165626  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.118.215 (talk) 16:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi 

message: Her name is "Sharbat Gula".  I'd always understood Gula to be her given name, and Sharbat to be the family name.  
If that's the case, the reference to "Gula" throughout should be "Sharbat" per WP:SURNAME.
It's also possible that I simply have no understanding of Afghan names, of course. TJRC (talk) 01:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which is surname? 

message: At one point in the article, it says she had three daughters and a fourth died as a baby. Then, shortly after, it says she lives with her sons. So does she have daughters or sons or both?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.70.180 (talk) 20:55, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See this edit.  Could probably use a better source; I don't recognize this one. TJRC (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've been following Sharbat's story for years since she was rediscovered, and one of the things that sticks in my memory is the fact that she had no idea of exactly how old she was, because she didn't know her own date of birth. I see this article has an exact date listed, but gives no citations for it. Where has the date come from? Does anyone know? And has it been independently confirmed elsewhere than this article?
Cadar (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. It looks like it was added in this edit with the misleading summary of "fixed typo" and no sources introduced. I've gone ahead and removed it. Cheers, -- irn (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'd love to know how that user came up with the date.
Cadar (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her date of birth and age 

message: This article has a template suggestion of including content from the equivalent Italian article, which gives much more detail from Steve McCurry about the photograph and about the search for Sharbat Gula. I'm happy to pitch in and organise the inclusion of the extra content - the above unresolved discussions notwithstanding, because I do believe that an article containing mostly biographical information on a photograph's human subject should not be entitled with the name of the photograph - but there are some issues with this proposal which need to be discussed. Firstly, the Italian article cites no external online sources except for a NG article about the search for Sharbat, and that's only in a citation on the lede. Secondly, the entire rest of the article is apparently based solely on what boils down to an eight-page excerpt from Steve McCurry's book about the story, and contains numerous "direct" quotations which have been translated into Italian for the purposes of the article or are quoted from an Italian translation of the book. As quotes, they do not survive the backwards-and-forwards translation and cannot be used in the current English article. And since I have no access to Steve's book, I'm also not able to verify the authenticity of the material or find the original quotations. In the interests of full disclosure, I should probably point out that I don't speak or write Italian, but since I have friends who are Italian, and I flatter myself I'm conscientious, I would naturally make sure the final English content is accurate to the source. Having said all that, I'm not convinced that a direct translation of the Italian article is the way forward in this instance. Surely going back to primary sources for material to include in any given article is a far better policy? Which in this specific case would mean using Steve's book itself as the source material. Thoughts, anyone? Cadar (talk) 15:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of content from Italian Wikipedia article 

message: Either this article is about the woman, in which case the title should be her name, or the image, in which case the infobox should also be about that. Either way, "c. 1972 (age 47–48)" does not apply to the image. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: edited so the infobox is for an artwork, rather than a person, which seems to make sense. (Lajmmoore (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject of article vs infobox 

message: Looking at this article and that of its subject, I at first wondered why there were two articles.  But I see the point now.  That said, it seems to me most of the biographical information in this article should be removed or merged with the subjects biographical article.  It is off the point and redundant with that article.  Bdushaw (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of most biographical detail? 

message: There should be reference to the fact that an NFT community called Onchainmonkey was also part of the rescue mission to move her to Italy.  Can we get that added?  What's needed for support? 2600:4040:A645:BE00:24D8:19B0:DC7:CCE2 (talk) 01:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional information 

message: Should the criticism section be updated to show the circumstances of the controversy? The article from the Wire references a video by Tony Northrup that Northrup seems to no longer stand behind and has disavowed. Ysjet (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism