Talk:List of NCAA Division I FBS football stadiums

message: It seeems like even though the list is sortable we should define a default order.   What would be best?  Attendance?  Age?  Alphabetical? Johntex\talk 19:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say definitely alpha. Since the title is just "List of.." and not "List of...by attendance" we should stick with the most common ordering structure. Whatever we decide, we probably need to add a commented line to the code indicating how to add.↔NMajdan•talk 19:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me clarify - alpha by school.↔NMajdan•talk 19:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So would the University of Oklahoma Sooners be under "U", "O", or "S"? Johntex\talk 19:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, since it is a list of the stadiums, I think alphabetical by stadium name is a better choice.  That also has the advantage that it is the first column. Johntex\talk 19:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn, wish I'd read this first. I already changed the default to capacity. I'll go through the effort to change it back if you want, but I think that capacity might be better since there are a LOT of Memorial Stadiums across the country. BQZip01 20:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point.  Let's give some time for some other responses before you undo all your hard work. Johntex\talk 20:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Whatever is decided, I'm fine with. Better to do it now before the list gets too long. My only issue with capacity is its so far to the right and can easily be sorted to find it. I'd go with alpha by stadium title. If they are the same, they go to school.↔NMajdan•talk 20:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Name sounds best followed by school on "ties" for orderBQZip01 20:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Order as of now should be (any help provided would be appreciated; given the speed at which people are adding, try to only move 2-3 per edit):
Amon G. Carter Stadium
Beaver Stadium
Bill Snyder Family Football Stadium
Boone Pickens Stadium
Bryant-Denny Stadium
Camp Randall Stadium
Carrier Dome
Darrell K. Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium
Falcon Stadium
Faurot Field
Floyd Casey Stadium
Folsom Field
Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium
Heinz Field
Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome
Hughes Stadium
Husky Stadium
Jones AT&T Stadium
Jordan-Hare Stadium
Kinnick Stadium
Kyle Field
LaVell Edwards Stadium
Memorial Stadium (Illinois)
Memorial Stadium (Indiana)
Memorial Stadium (Kansas)
Memorial Stadium (Nebraska)
Michigan Stadium
Mountaineer Field at Milan Puskar Stadium
Nippert Stadium
Ohio Stadium
Papa John's Cardinal Stadium
Qualcomm Stadium
Raymond James Stadium
Rentschler Field
Rice-Eccles Stadium
Rose Bowl
Ross-Ade Stadium
Rutgers Stadium
Ryan Field
Sam Boyd Stadium
Spartan Stadium
Trice Stadium
University Stadium
Vaught-Hemingway Stadium
War Memorial Stadium
BQZip01 21:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Default order

message: The Rose Bowl actually lost seating capacity when they added seat backs.  Should that count as an "expansion"?  I think it should.  It is a change in the seating capacity.  It just happens to be a negative change. Johntex\talk 19:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think expansion should be rephrased into something along the lines of latest construction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BQZip01 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble with that is that a lot of these stadiums seem to have some form of construction every year - new scoreboard, press-box rennovations, etc.  I think the capacity changes less often so it is a more meaningful change. Johntex\talk 20:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Major renovation," or is that too wishy-washy? BQZip01 20:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion question

message: Should the record be the largest for a football game or any event? Many of these are used for other events, and the largest size may not have been for a football game. For Folsom Field, the largest crowd was for a concert in 1977 where they could use the field to put people so it exceeds the largest football size by ~6000. --MECU≈talk 19:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rose Bowl presents a related but different question:  What if the home team was not involved in the record setting game?  The Rose Bowl is home to UCLA but the record was USC vs OSU in the Rose Bowl.  I think we should take the largest football crowd, even if it was a bowl game or an NFL game.  That limits us to the stadium as configured for football. Johntex\talk 19:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes the most sense to me. I also think that it fits the purpose of the list the best to just use the largest football crowd. z4ns4tsu\talk 22:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Record

message: If we are going to take this to Featured List status as NMajdan suggests, what columns will need references?  Certainly the official attendance and the record attendance.  I think these should be available for all the stadiums. What about the Constructed and Expanded columns?  This info may be harder to find.  What do we think about these columns and our ability/need to reference them? Johntex\talk 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO I think most of these references should be on the stadium's main page. This way we are not duplicating efforts. BQZip01 20:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That won't fly with the Featured List people though.  Wikipedia articles don't count as a valid reference for other Wikipedia articles.  Ideally, as we find the references for this article, we make sure to add them to the individual stadium article, and vice versa. Johntex\talk 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine to me. BQZip01 20:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Does accuracy fly with the FL people? If you're going to use references, at least use current, good, and accurate gones. The person that added AU's Jordan-Hare Stadium used an old personal webpage with outdated capacity/record info as the source reference. If they'd looked at the Jordan-Hare Stadium page, they'd have seen the correct number. When it comes down to it, the definitive reference for all stadium capacities should be the official NCAA stats. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 14:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the NCAA's website should be the only source (although there is nothing wrong for citing multiple sources on an attribute). I have no problem getting information from the school's athletic webpage and a couple fan-websites are very reliable (I frequently cite http://soonerstats.com ).↔NMajdan•talk 14:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to say the NCAA should be the only ref, but just that it is a single reference that covers capacity for all NCAA home stadia. As it happens, I used the AU Athletics site for the reference in correcting the JHS numbers. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 23:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: If we have sources for all columns, they should probably be cited. As you said, the FL people will want everything cited. So best to err on the side of caution.↔NMajdan•talk 20:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References for Featured List

message: What about having a column for references like BQZip suggested, but not specify exactly what the reference is for. Is that needed? Can't we just have a column for references and that's it? Something like:
Capacity	Record 	Construction	Renovation	References
90,000  	99,999 	1999        	2000      	1313135
190,000 	199,999	1976        	2001      	11121111
85,000  	89,999 	1989        	2002      	23232422
20,000  	60,456 	1876        	1999      	18181818
Thoughts (if anyone is still watching this page)?↔NMajdan•talk 19:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: List of current National Football League stadiums and List of American football stadiums by capacity take a similar approach.↔NMajdan•talk 17:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea.  Patken4 (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: NMajdan, surely we aren't agreeing on something. :-)  Sounds like a good idea to me. — BQZip01 — talk 23:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to add one thing.  What if the record attendance occurred when the stadium was used for a different event (LA Coliseum comes to mind) or when the stadium had a greater capacity and has since been renovated(Michigan Stadium, Neyland Stadium, and Rose Bowl come to mind)?  Patken4 (talk) 23:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the latter case deserves no special treatment. On the former, well, the article is for football stadiums, no just for the football games. So, I think that still applies. Will probably include a note specifying the event in which the record occurred.↔NMajdan•talk 23:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Or we could use the  template to sort the columns that are currently messed up. This is still on my to do list, just a bit further down.—NMajdan•talk 12:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisit

message: I have created a dev page to begin working on converting this list. It will be a slow process so any help would be appreciated. You will also notice that I have switched to list-defined references and I am archiving the sources using WebCitation.—NMajdan•talk 20:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Begin conversion

message: I'll take the Big 12. Anyone else want to tackle (no pun intended) a specific conference? BQZip01 20:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I added the Rose Bowl I guess I can work on some more of the Pac 10 stadiums. Johntex\talk 20:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm working on finishing coverage of Big 10 stadiums, after which I can move on to the Big East. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 20:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get to the Big 12 schools later today, but might not have all of the info, but I'll try. BQZip01 20:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Big 12 is basically done, but I still need to look for the records. Once we straighten out the citation method, I'll get them BQZip01 03:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Big 12 complete BQZip01 18:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Volunteers for conference inclusion

message: I know it's a peer-made list, and a lot of hard work went into it, but there are some notable omissions.  Harvard, and Yale, for example.  If someone better than me at edits could add them, that would be great.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.207.222 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.132.127 (talk) 15:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete List

message: I don't know who added the recent changes. They're great, but they REALLY need a reference. Please add where you found the information so we can check it as information changes from year to year. — BQZip01 — talk 02:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent uncited changes

message: While the stadium was construction in 1909, the stadium was moved prior to the 1960 season.  Does the stadium's change in placement alter the constructed date.
Source: http://gopsusports.cstv.com/facilities/beaver-stadium.html
-Colslax 05:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was the same structure, but moved, then yes. Otherwise, no. We are talking about two DIFFERENT structures with the same name/function. — BQZip01 — talk 06:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the link: New Beaver Field was the Lions' home through the 1959 season, after which the 30,000-seat stadium was dismantled and moved in 700 pieces one mile to the east side of campus. The old stadium was reassembled with 16,000 additional seats to form Beaver Stadium.  Despite an addition, it sounds like the stadium was moved, just to a new location. -Colslax 22:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaver Stadium's Construction Date

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