Talk:Divine Principle

message: This article needs a lot more work. I think it should explain the basic tenents set forth in the book. I'll come back to it and add to it as I can. Next time I visit this article, I will place a list of hoped for changes here. Everyguy 07:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs work

message: The quotations added to the article do not appear intended to convey the gist of the text, but rather to highlight certain views in order to reach a particular conclusion. As such, they do not conform to NPOV and so I suggest that we remove them. -Will Beback 05:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quotations, especially long excerpts, do not belong in Wikipedia. Wikiquotes is our sister project created specifically for the purpose. Our job here is to summarize, not quote. As for the theocracy stuff, I agree that it is important but we also need to retain balance. For example, if there are five important points then we shouldn't devote 75% of the article to just one of them. Since it is a major topic, it should probably get an article of its own. Looking over :Category:Unification Church, is see that Godism might be a repository, or even Theology of the Unification Church. Otherwise, suitable titles might be "Unification Church views of government" or "Politicial views of the Unification Church".
Thank you Will,  I'm a little confused.  Every time I tried to summurize the points in the past, a Unificationist would come along and delete my edits saying it was just my POV.  I had to resort to the quotes just to make the point without it seeming to be my POV.  Any suggestions? Also, my main point is that the political ideology is written into the Divine Principle itself.  How can the reader know that if they can't read it for themselves?   It is not just the UC "point of view" on politics.  The political ideology itself written in the DP is what drives the UC view. Similar to the way the political ideology of Karl Marx or Chairman Mao inform and motivate a communist activist, the political ideology in the DP motivates Unificationists.  The point I'm trying to communicate is that the Divine Principle is not just theology, it  also contains a theocratic political ideology that Unificationist consider as canon.  I may be mistaken, but it is my impression that the UC related organizations spend the vast majority of their resources (Washington Times) and efforts on political activism in the US and all over the world.  The reason for it is written into their "holy scripture" the "Divine Principle."  Regards and thank you for your help. Marknw 23:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an article about a specific book. So comments  from Moon given in a different forum that don't addess the book are misplaced. The book is avaiable online, so extended quotes are also unneeded. Links to the quotations in context would be much better. -Will Beback 01:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, the purpose is to summarize the book and give its context. Short quotations are suitable, but not long ones. Just try to keep the article properly balanced. If anyone removes proper material alert me, another eidtor, or admin. Thanks for your cntributions to Wikipedia. -Will Beback 03:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotations

message: Hello Excumember,  I am happy to colaborate with you on this article also.  With Regards Marknw 06:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exucmember Edits 

message: I thought that the Divine principle re-interpreted the history and the Bible based on numbers. If this is true (I may have misunderstood or misremembered) then please state this in the article. Andries 18:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are somewhat correct in your understanding.  Numbers are very important in the Divine Principle, as they are in the Bible - which is why you see a bunch of 3s, 7s, 12s, 21s, and 40s when you read it.  However I don't think you could say that the numbers are the main thing.  Maybe the best thing to do is check it out yourself. Steve Dufour 08:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-interpretation of history and the Bible based on numbers?

message: Is it not appropriate for you to consider putting in the parallels of history, which I believe is one of the very astounding revelations of the Principle? --F345 09:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you add a chart? I'd suggest making it vertical (left collumn OTA, right collumn NTA) rather than the tradtional horizontal chart used on the blackboard. You can see excatly how to do tables at Help:Table. -Exucmember 20:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallels of History 

message: Included in the balanced view of the Divine Principle should be at least the contention of what it really is; in light of the gospel of Christ; added as an alternate theory of what the providential role of Rev. Moon as the "faithful and wise servant" spoken of by Jesus as being put "over" the "house of God" or "de facto ruler over the Church" as over the Pope though he was Korean  exactly correspondent to the position that Joseph also was given by Pharoah "over" the "House of Egypt" as over "the kingdom as de facto ruler" though Joseph was a foreigner. The "meat in due season" that this servant then brings forth could then be "seen" in the light of the remarkable though flawed book "Divine Principle" Rev. Moon did produce. we then could actually see if the "profile" Jesus made fits Rev. Moon; as with the "beatings" and so forth along with the "eating and drinking" of those given in marriage and being given: Jesus specifically saying that the children of the resurrection to come would not marry nor be given in marriage. Thus we could "balance" the hypothesis of Rev. Moon being the Messiah or the Lamb with the other hypothesis that he may have to go through a providential course not entirely clear to him until the end: very much like a way to warn him in the "future" that had been "pre-arranged" by God should he begin to err: this is fact being the "sign" long foretold by John appearing in the internal providence as "the greatest in the kingdom of heaven" which is the position of Joshua leading in the children of the 12 tribes of Israel into One Earth and "stopping" Mr. Sun and Mrs. Moon as Joshua once stopped the Sun and the Moon who stood in those positions; the Child in the Name of Christ Jesus that Jesus "lifted up" as "the Head" being the One in the position of the Tabernacle or Lord of the Second Advent that Joshua goes before; not Joshua as the image-identity of the Lord of the Second Advent as Rev. Moon asserts in his book; ( forgetting that Joshua stood in the position of the Messenger as walking before the Priests carrying the Ark; and the Tabernacle as the Body of Christ that is the Temple of God on earth; with the Ark signifying where God "sat" within Christ as being "in him". )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unicorn144 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meat in due season 

message: Let's try to distinguish between the Unification Principle, i.e., the core teachings of the church - and Divine Principle (any of several books which present the core teachings). --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Book and teaching

message: I am proposing that Foundation for the Messiah be merged into this article as:
#by its own statement it is one of the "concepts in the Divine Principle" -- so surely belongs here
#it has no third-party sources establishing notability independent of DP.
It will also have the advantage of introducing three whole citations to this previously completely unverifiable article. Maybe it'll start a trend. HrafnTalkStalk 09:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. Completely agree. -Exucmember (talk) 20:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: In general' it's less work to merge (or at least apply a {merge} tag than to "prod" an article with a deletion tag. Unless you're doing it to get our attention. --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I prod-tag an article when (i) there is no clear-cut article it should be merged into (as happened far more frequently prior to the creation of List of Unification Church affiliated organizations‎) and/or (ii) the prod-ed article contains no verifiable information to be merged. Of course the prod-tag also has the advantage that it sets a definite deadline (whereas merge-tags can stay in place for months, or even on rare occasions years, without any decision being made). Incidentally, if you think an article that has been prod-tagged should rather be merged, it makes more sense to be WP:BOLD and merge it yourself (particularly if its an article you created) rather than simply replace the prod-tag with a merge-tag. HrafnTalkStalk 03:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: This article cites third-party sources in its bibliography section, but there is virtually no discussion in the text which draws on them. Such discussion should be added to the article, including both description of what the text says (from any of a large number of sources that are not yet mentioned in the article) as well as criticism. -Exucmember (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of third-party sourced material

message: This article should be principally about the theological beliefs of the Unification Church. The fact that the publishers of Wolli Kangnon ("Exposition of the Principle") chose to translate the title into English as Divine Principle was unfortunate and remains a source of confusion even today. If we want an article on the textbook, I would like to call such an article Exposition of the Divine Principle (although that link currently redirects here), since that is the official English-language title of the book. That article could explain the origins of the Korean manuscript (co-written with or ghost-written by an early disciple), as well as the 3 English translations: (two in the early 1970s) and the latest in 1996. 
Anyway, we can merge Unification theology (small t) into Divine Principle, as the first page has hardly any content. There are some books with titles like Unification Theology waiting to fill that slot if anyone has the time to write about them. 
Unification thought, on the other hand, still requires a separate article. It is not so much a theological exposition as it is a systematic comparison of Unification Church philosophy with traditional philosophy. It also brings out and develops in much more detail - or at least the late Dr. Lee's series of books and articles did - elementary theological concepts in a more philosophical way, such as:
*Theory of Art
*Theory of Education
*Theory of Values
*Theory of Ethics
Rev. Moon likes enumerating things: everything seems to fit into pairs subject and object or trios (like intellect, emotion and will). So he famously said that his teachings can fit into three main books: Divine Principle, Unification Thought, and Communism: a Critique and Counterproposal. These comprise the theological, philosophical and political aspects of his teachings. Note that the second is generally ignored completely by the public (and rarely acknowledged even by members), while the third is often misunderstood as recommending some sort of theocracy - maybe if I start writing about it, people will see that it actually recommends against every sort of dictatorship based on an official government ideology.
If we really want to give Wikipedia readers a concise (and comprehensive introduction to Unification Church teachings), we have our work cut out for us. It will take much less effort, if we help each other. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem I can see with this is that neither Unification Thought nor 'Communism: a Critique and Counterproposal' appear to have generated sufficient third-party coverage to sustain independent articles. Your statement "generally ignored completely by the public (and rarely acknowledged even by members)" seems to confirm this for the former. Therefore if they are to maintain any continued existence, they probably need to share an article with Divine Principle, whether that combined article is called Unification theology, 'Unification philosophy' or 'Unification teachings'. HrafnTalkStalk 06:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An article on "Unification Church teachings" sounds like a good idea to me. Steve Dufour (talk) 07:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the best way to create such an article would be to rename this article, create a new overview lead (with current lead becoming the 'Divine Principle' section-lead) & stub-sections for Unification Thought & 'Communism: a Critique and Counterproposal'. This restructure would also be a good time to find sources for the large amount of unsourced material in this article currently, and find third-party sources. HrafnTalkStalk 09:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was started by Ed in 2003: "Divine Principle is the main theological textbook of the Unification Church, held to have the status of scripture by members of the movement."  So it started out being about the book. The book is probably notable in itself. However the expression "Divine Principle" is used more often by church members to refer to the church teachings rather than to the book itself.  It could also be said that nobody reads the book except to learn what the church teachings are. Steve Dufour (talk) 17:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the book is sufficiently notable in itself. But there's not sufficient notability there to cover two articles, and if "Unification Church teachings" was created in addition, there'd be a strong argument for immediate WP:MERGE per the overlap criteria (and lack of non-overlapping notability). The question is, what does the WP:CONSENSUS want that one article to be -- one on 'Divine Principle' or one on "Unification Church teachings"? Pick one. HrafnTalkStalk 17:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've mentioned before that I have not been able to interest myself in working on an article on UC beliefs.  For one thing I think most people wouldn't find it very interesting to read. For another it would be original research to read church sources and then explain what they mean. BTW the best secondary sources I have found on the topic are fundamentalist Christian authors who want to expose UC teachings as heresy.  They have to explain them first before telling us why they are wrong.  On the other hand noted "cult apologist" Massimo Introvigne in his book on the church hardly talked about UC beliefs at all.  His focus seemed to be, "It's a religion no better or worse than any other. Why can't we all just get along?" Steve Dufour (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. To get back to your question. I would prefer to leave this article to be about the book and remove some of the details on its content as well as other topics. I'd rather deal with church beliefs with shorter articles on various topics. I know some people have other opinions. Steve Dufour (talk) 19:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Ed, if you can find reliable third-party sources to support it, you can distinguish away to your heart's content. As far as Steve's "shorter articles on various topics" idea goes, I suspect that it would very quickly run into problems finding sufficient third-party coverage to establish notability for these "other topics" individually. This applies likewise to a potential article on 'Unification Principle'. HrafnTalkStalk 17:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Theology vs. textbook

message: Between 1935 and 1946, Sun Myung Moon wrote down notes in the margins of his Bible. These notes formed the basis of the original concept of the work.
The earliest manuscript was lost in North Korea during the Korean War. Upon arriving as a refugee in Pusan, Moon wrote a manuscript which is referred to as Wolli Wonbon (meaning "the original text of the Divine Principle"), dictating the last chapter to Won Pil Kim, his first disciple. He then guided Hyo Won Eu, the first president of the Unification Church of Korea, to prepare more systematic presentations of his teachings with biblical, historical, and scientific illustrations. Moon gave Eu special instruction regarding the content of these texts and then checked them over meticulously. These efforts resulted in Wolli Hesol (Explanation of the Divine Principle), published in 1957 (but never translated into English), and Wolli Kangron (Exposition of the Divine Principle), published in 1966. Since then, Wolli Kangron has been the basic text of Moon's teachings. According to its preface, Wolli Kangron expresses universal truth; it inherits and builds upon the core truths which God revealed through the Jewish and Christian scriptures and encompasses the wisdom from the Orient.
"Principle" is a direct translation of the Korean term wolli, and the word "Divine" was added to indicate that the material dealt with spiritual and religious principles. Plural is not normally used in Korean, and there is a sense that these principles fit together into a unitary whole anyway. Unification Church members sometimes refer to the Divine Principle (or simply "The Principle") to mean not only the specific translation of Wolli Kangron, but to all three texts, as they are seen as the progressive development of an explanation  revealing something that already existed in the universe before the books were written. Indeed, sometimes "The Principle" is used to refer to the universal principles out there in the universe, apart from the books.
A translation of Wolli Kangron named Divine Principle was first published in English in 1973 and was subsequently revised in 1974. In 1996 it was completely re-translated, primarily by Andrew Wilson and Jin Goon Kim, and re-titled Exposition of the Divine Principle. Manuals were translated to English by Young Whi Kim (president of the Unification Church in Korea during the 1970s) and Chung Hwan Kwak (International Director of Education of the Unification Church). Young Oon Kim (a female professor and the church's premier theologian) and David S.C. Kim (the first president of the Unification Theological Seminary) each wrote unofficial texts; these are now out of print.
[End of removed section. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced history section removed from article 

message: ==== Restoration of God's original ideal — theology of redemption====
A fundamental teaching of the Divine Principle is that God possesses both male and female attributes and that the most perfect substantial expression of God is to be found in a "true love" relationship between a fully perfected man and a fully perfected woman, living in accordance with the will of God. This love can then grow between parents and children. "True love" is understood to mean a sacrificial love that it is unconditional, unchanging, and eternal.
The Divine Principle differentiates itself from traditional Christianity through its view of the Trinity and its view of the reason for Jesus's death. It teaches what some theologians have called the "economic trinity," a relationship between God, Adam, and Eve (with the messiah in the role of perfected Adam). It does not teach that Jesus or any man is ontologically one with God as "God the Son." Rather, Jesus became Godlike through a natural process of growth to personal perfection that would otherwise be available to all persons except for original sin preventing it. The "pre-existence" and the "logos" was not Jesus in a personal sense, but rather the prototype for perfected man which Jesus came to embody during his lifetime.
The Divine Principle teaches that Jesus' death was not a preordained necessity. Like traditional Christians, however, they do believe that his death serves as a redemption of humanity's sins and that his resurrection was a victory over death for all eternity.
The Divine Principle further teaches that:
*God appointed Jesus to establish the literal (political), rather than symbolic, Kingdom of Heaven on earth, preferably in his lifetime. Due to the failure of the Jewish people to accept "him whom He had sent" (John 6:29), Jesus had to go the alternate course of dying on the cross. (See the section on the role of Elijah below.)
*With the mission of establishing God's kingdom unfulfilled, He will appoint another Messiah to accomplish His purpose. "I have purposed, and I will do it. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass." (Isaiah 46:11).
*Moon has spoken of himself as "Messiah of the Second Coming" and "True Parent" and monarch ("True Love King") of a literal "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth (see Divine Principle quotes below).
*In the Last Days, (a literal angel) Satan will be brought to repentance and become a good angel again and all souls now in Hell will be liberated and restored to Heaven.
=====The role of Elijah and the role of the messiah=====
The Divine Principle's teaching about the mission of Elijah is a key to understanding its conception of the mission of the Messiah.
Elijah had the role of harbinger or forerunner. He was to reveal to Israel and the world the identity of the Messiah, and the person fulfilling this role was slated to work with the Messiah to usher in the kingdom of Heaven.
In particular, John the Baptist was to play the role of Elijah in relation to his kinsman Jesus.
Based on biblical texts (especially in Matthew), the church believes that Jesus was appointed by God to be the Messiah, not only for the Jewish people but for all of humanity.
The prophecies concerning John's ministry ("in the spirit and power of Elijah" and "make ready for the Lord a people prepared") are cited by the Divine Principle in support of this view. Moon singles out John for intense criticism  for failing to provide active support for Jesus and asserts this as the primary reason that the Jewish people did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
=====Foundation for the Messiah=====
The Foundation for the Messiah is one of the most important concepts in the Divine Principle.
The Divine Principle explains that in order for fallen people to receive the Messiah and be cleansed of original sin they need to establish a foundation for the Messiah.  The course of laying the foundation for the Messiah needs to follow the course which Adam's family should have taken at the beginning of human history. 
The foundation for the Messiah consists of two parts. The foundation of faith restores a person, called a central figure, to the position of perfected Adam through making an offering over a set time period.  The foundation of substance makes a condition to remove fallen nature by restoring the proper relationship between two central figures, originally Cain and Abel.Foundation for the Messiah, Divine Principle
The foundation for the Messiah can be established on different levels.  The Divine Principle teaches that the conflict between democracy and communism was a part of the foundation of substance on a world level, with democracy being in the position of Abel and communism in the position of Cain.Preparation For The Second Coming, Outline of The Principle, Level 4, C. H. Kwak
Ken Sudo, one of the church's most respected teachers of Divine Principle, said about the foundation for the Messiah on the individual level:
:In your insides, we must establish a foundation for the Messiah, in our own insides. This is your portion of responsibility. Otherwise, the Messiah will be here on earth, the Messiah of mankind, but he won't be the Messiah for you. He'll just be a great man. "Oh, he is great." That's all. Just like Hitler. The German people must have felt this way -"He's great; he's powerful." No difference, no big difference. There is no preparation for the Messiah. This is the problem.Divine Principle Lectures from the 120 Day Workshop, Ken Sudo
=====Second Coming of Christ=====
Virtually all Unification Church members consider Father Moon to be the new Messiah. The Unificationist view of the messiah is of a man (or ideally, a married couple) representing God as "True Parent(s)."
In 2002, the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification published a message which it says describes a conference at which all the historical founders of all other religions have recently, in heaven, proclaimed Moon's messiahship.
Many other Christians strongly reject such a proclamation, citing the Gospel of John (14:6) in which Jesus of Nazareth states with finality that "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (King James Version)
=====The Principle of Indemnity=====
Indemnity, as explained in the Divine Principle, is a part of the process by which human beings and the world are restored back to God's ideal. Daske, D. and Ashcraft, W. 2005, New Religious Movements, New York: New York University Press,  "To restart the process toward perfection, God has sent messiahs to earth who could restore the true state of humanity's relationship with God. Before that can happen, however, humans must perform good deeds that cancel the bad effects of sin. Unificationists call this "indemnity". Showing love and devotion to one's fellow humans, especially within families, helps pay this indemnity." p142 Yamamoto, J. 1995, Unification Church, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Press,  "The doctrine of indemnity. Indemnity is that which people do to restore themselves to God's kingdom. Young Oon Kim describes it this way: 'We atone for our sins through specific acts of penance.' Kwang-Yol Yoo, a Unification teacher, even goes so far as to say that by following the Divine Principle, 'man's perfection must be accomplished by his own effort without God's help.' God does most of the work, but people must still do their part in order to achieve God's plan of salvation: 'Five percent is only to say that man's responsibility is extremely small compared to God's.' "p35 "The doctrine of indemnity is not biblical. 'In simple language.' states Ruth Tucker, 'indemnity is salvation by works.' Bob Larson makes a distinction between Moon's doctrine and biblical theology, saying, 'Moon's doctrine of sinless perfection by "indemnity [forgiveness of sin by works on Moon's behalf], which can apply even to deceased ancestors, is a denial of the salvation by grace offering through Jesus Christ.' 'Farewell,' said John Calvin. 'to the dream of those who think up a righteousness flowing together out of faith and works.'" p40Tingle, D. and Fordyce, R. 1979, The Phases and Faces of the Moon: A Critical Examination of the Unification Church and Its Principles, Hicksville, New York: Exposition Press  p53-55 "In short, indemnity is anything you want to make it, since you establish the conditions. The zeal and enthusiasm of the Unification Church members is not so much based on love for God as it is compulsion to indemnify one's own sins." THE POWER OF THE PRINCIPLE: WHENCE IT CAME; WHERE IT WENT Richard QuebedeauxExposition of the Divine Principle 1996 Translation 
=====History=====
History is viewed as God’s attempt to bring about God’s will regarding Adam and Eve. First, a person, group, or nation in the position of Adam must have faith in God and demonstrate that faith in some extraordinary way. Second, another person, group, or nation must follow that person of faith. This condition will enable God to send another person with the mission of Adam. In Unificationist viewpoint, this person is the Messiah.
=====Jesus=====
Unificationists view Jesus as the Messiah on the national level. Unificationists believe that Jesus fulfilled the condition of faith that Adam lacked, but that he did not gain a sufficient following during his lifetime to fulfill the condition of substance needed to achieve his ultimate God-given mission of building the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Unificationists believe that, through his death on the cross, Jesus created a condition such that all who believe in him can achieve spiritual salvation and thus be united with him both on earth and beyond. They also view that someone in the position of Adam, or the Messiah, must come again to fulfill the condition of substance. This would be the second coming.
The Messiah does not, in Unificationist theology, have any superhuman powers that are not available to anyone with faith. The Messiah can make errors of judgment.  Unificationists specifically do not believe that Jesus, or anyone in the position of the Messiah, is God. 
=====Rev. Moon=====
The majority of Unficationists view Moon as the actual historical Messiah or "Christ of the Second Advent" (See Divine Principle quotes below) and rightful spiritual and political leader of all mankind. He regards his own mission as that of “True Parents,” the parents that Adam and Eve should have become and the true monarch of the literal theocratic "Kingdom of Heaven" on Earth that Jesus should have established.
[ End of apparently WP:SYNTH material HrafnTalkStalk(P) 15:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 2

message: A fundamental teaching of the Divine Principle is that God possesses both male and female attributes and that the most perfect substantial expression of God is to be found in a "true love" relationship between a fully perfected man and a fully perfected woman, living in accordance with the will of God. This love can then grow between parents and children. "True love" is understood to mean a sacrificial love that it is unconditional, unchanging, and eternal.
The Divine Principle differentiates itself from traditional Christianity through its view of the Trinity and its view of the reason for Jesus's death. It teaches what some theologians have called the "economic trinity," a relationship between God, Adam, and Eve (with the messiah in the role of perfected Adam). It does not teach that Jesus or any man is ontologically one with God as "God the Son." Rather, Jesus became Godlike through a natural process of growth to personal perfection that would otherwise be available to all persons except for original sin preventing it. The "pre-existence" and the "logos" was not Jesus in a personal sense, but rather the prototype for perfected man which Jesus came to embody during his lifetime.
The Divine Principle teaches that Jesus' death was not a preordained necessity. Like traditional Christians, however, they do believe that his death serves as a redemption of humanity's sins and that his resurrection was a victory over death for all eternity.
The Divine Principle further teaches that:
*God appointed Jesus to establish the literal (political), rather than symbolic, Kingdom of Heaven on earth, preferably in his lifetime. Due to the failure of the Jewish people to accept "him whom He had sent" (John 6:29), Jesus had to go the alternate course of dying on the cross. (See the section on the role of Elijah below.)
*With the mission of establishing God's kingdom unfulfilled, He will appoint another Messiah to accomplish His purpose. "I have purposed, and I will do it. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass." (Isaiah 46:11).
*Moon has spoken of himself as "Messiah of the Second Coming" and "True Parent" and monarch ("True Love King") of a literal "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth (see Divine Principle quotes below).
*In the Last Days, (a literal angel) Satan will be brought to repentance and become a good angel again and all souls now in Hell will be liberated and restored to Heaven.
=====The role of Elijah and the role of the messiah=====
The Divine Principle's teaching about the mission of Elijah is a key to understanding its conception of the mission of the Messiah.
Elijah had the role of harbinger or forerunner. He was to reveal to Israel and the world the identity of the Messiah, and the person fulfilling this role was slated to work with the Messiah to usher in the kingdom of Heaven.
In particular, John the Baptist was to play the role of Elijah in relation to his kinsman Jesus.
Based on biblical texts (especially in Matthew), the church believes that Jesus was appointed by God to be the Messiah, not only for the Jewish people but for all of humanity.
The prophecies concerning John's ministry ("in the spirit and power of Elijah" and "make ready for the Lord a people prepared") are cited by the Divine Principle in support of this view. Moon singles out John for intense criticism  for failing to provide active support for Jesus and asserts this as the primary reason that the Jewish people did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
=====Foundation for the Messiah=====
The Foundation for the Messiah is one of the most important concepts in the Divine Principle.
The Divine Principle explains that in order for fallen people to receive the Messiah and be cleansed of original sin they need to establish a foundation for the Messiah.  The course of laying the foundation for the Messiah needs to follow the course which Adam's family should have taken at the beginning of human history. 
The foundation for the Messiah consists of two parts. The foundation of faith restores a person, called a central figure, to the position of perfected Adam through making an offering over a set time period.  The foundation of substance makes a condition to remove fallen nature by restoring the proper relationship between two central figures, originally Cain and Abel.Foundation for the Messiah, Divine Principle
The foundation for the Messiah can be established on different levels.  The Divine Principle teaches that the conflict between democracy and communism was a part of the foundation of substance on a world level, with democracy being in the position of Abel and communism in the position of Cain.Preparation For The Second Coming, Outline of The Principle, Level 4, C. H. Kwak
Ken Sudo, one of the church's most respected teachers of Divine Principle, said about the foundation for the Messiah on the individual level:
:In your insides, we must establish a foundation for the Messiah, in our own insides. This is your portion of responsibility. Otherwise, the Messiah will be here on earth, the Messiah of mankind, but he won't be the Messiah for you. He'll just be a great man. "Oh, he is great." That's all. Just like Hitler. The German people must have felt this way -"He's great; he's powerful." No difference, no big difference. There is no preparation for the Messiah. This is the problem.Divine Principle Lectures from the 120 Day Workshop, Ken Sudo
=====Second Coming of Christ=====
Virtually all Unification Church members consider Father Moon to be the new Messiah. The Unificationist view of the messiah is of a man (or ideally, a married couple) representing God as "True Parent(s)."
In 2002, the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification published a message which it says describes a conference at which all the historical founders of all other religions have recently, in heaven, proclaimed Moon's messiahship.
Many other Christians strongly reject such a proclamation, citing the Gospel of John (14:6) in which Jesus of Nazareth states with finality that "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (King James Version)
=====The Principle of Indemnity=====
Indemnity, as explained in the Divine Principle, is a part of the process by which human beings and the world are restored back to God's ideal. Daske, D. and Ashcraft, W. 2005, New Religious Movements, New York: New York University Press,  "To restart the process toward perfection, God has sent messiahs to earth who could restore the true state of humanity's relationship with God. Before that can happen, however, humans must perform good deeds that cancel the bad effects of sin. Unificationists call this "indemnity". Showing love and devotion to one's fellow humans, especially within families, helps pay this indemnity." p142 Yamamoto, J. 1995, Unification Church, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Press,  "The doctrine of indemnity. Indemnity is that which people do to restore themselves to God's kingdom. Young Oon Kim describes it this way: 'We atone for our sins through specific acts of penance.' Kwang-Yol Yoo, a Unification teacher, even goes so far as to say that by following the Divine Principle, 'man's perfection must be accomplished by his own effort without God's help.' God does most of the work, but people must still do their part in order to achieve God's plan of salvation: 'Five percent is only to say that man's responsibility is extremely small compared to God's.' "p35 "The doctrine of indemnity is not biblical. 'In simple language.' states Ruth Tucker, 'indemnity is salvation by works.' Bob Larson makes a distinction between Moon's doctrine and biblical theology, saying, 'Moon's doctrine of sinless perfection by "indemnity [forgiveness of sin by works on Moon's behalf], which can apply even to deceased ancestors, is a denial of the salvation by grace offering through Jesus Christ.' 'Farewell,' said John Calvin. 'to the dream of those who think up a righteousness flowing together out of faith and works.'" p40Tingle, D. and Fordyce, R. 1979, The Phases and Faces of the Moon: A Critical Examination of the Unification Church and Its Principles, Hicksville, New York: Exposition Press  p53-55 "In short, indemnity is anything you want to make it, since you establish the conditions. The zeal and enthusiasm of the Unification Church members is not so much based on love for God as it is compulsion to indemnify one's own sins." THE POWER OF THE PRINCIPLE: WHENCE IT CAME; WHERE IT WENT Richard QuebedeauxExposition of the Divine Principle 1996 Translation 
=====History=====
History is viewed as God’s attempt to bring about God’s will regarding Adam and Eve. First, a person, group, or nation in the position of Adam must have faith in God and demonstrate that faith in some extraordinary way. Second, another person, group, or nation must follow that person of faith. This condition will enable God to send another person with the mission of Adam. In Unificationist viewpoint, this person is the Messiah.
=====Jesus=====
Unificationists view Jesus as the Messiah on the national level. Unificationists believe that Jesus fulfilled the condition of faith that Adam lacked, but that he did not gain a sufficient following during his lifetime to fulfill the condition of substance needed to achieve his ultimate God-given mission of building the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Unificationists believe that, through his death on the cross, Jesus created a condition such that all who believe in him can achieve spiritual salvation and thus be united with him both on earth and beyond. They also view that someone in the position of Adam, or the Messiah, must come again to fulfill the condition of substance. This would be the second coming.
The Messiah does not, in Unificationist theology, have any superhuman powers that are not available to anyone with faith. The Messiah can make errors of judgment.  Unificationists specifically do not believe that Jesus, or anyone in the position of the Messiah, is God. 
=====Rev. Moon=====
The majority of Unficationists view Moon as the actual historical Messiah or "Christ of the Second Advent" (See Divine Principle quotes below) and rightful spiritual and political leader of all mankind. He regards his own mission as that of “True Parents,” the parents that Adam and Eve should have become and the true monarch of the literal theocratic "Kingdom of Heaven" on Earth that Jesus should have established.
[ End of apparently WP:SYNTH material HrafnTalkStalk(P) 15:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of God's original ideal — theology of redemption

message: The majority of Unficationists view Moon as the actual historical Messiah or "Christ of the Second Advent" (See Divine Principle quotes below) and rightful spiritual and political leader of all mankind. He regards his own mission as that of “True Parents,” the parents that Adam and Eve should have become and the true monarch of the literal theocratic "Kingdom of Heaven" on Earth that Jesus should have established.
[ End of apparently WP:SYNTH material HrafnTalkStalk(P) 15:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rev. Moon

message: I removed two sections which were only cited by the book itself.  Unless secondary published sources talk about these things they shouldn't be a part of this article. The table of contents could also be removed except that it is common for WP articles on books to include it. Borock (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited sections

message: I've started a rewrite of the content section, with third-party references. I hope someone with more interest in this than I have will continue it. There are literally hundreds of third-party sources discussing the concepts in Divine Principle. -Exucmember (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: People who are interested can read the DP itself online, in several versions. I am going to take off the tags. The article is now well-sourced and does not need the help of an expert more than most WP articles do. Steve Dufour (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The book itself is no substitute for a scholarly discussion of the book's contents -- which this article lacks. Half of the article's references are for a single, short and uncontroversial sentence. At the very least, the article is heavily unbalanced and incomplete. It contains no learned analysis of the the theology contained in this book, nor its relationship to orthodox Christianity. It is an unhelpful mess. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 18:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When I took off the tags I didn't intend to say that the article was perfect, just that it is no worse than most which could also use expert help.Steve Dufour (talk) 04:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that the article, as it stands, provides little (if any) useful information on its topic -- and, as such, is "worse than most which could also use expert help". HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The great irony is that there are lots of reliable sources in which scholarly discussion of the book's contents has taken place. The vast majority of this discussion is sensitive, insightful, and respectful of the book, which probably ought to be regarded as the core of Unificationism. In a climate in which hatchet-job criticism of Unificationism is so prevalent, and can even be found among academics like Horowitz, academic discussions of the ideas in Divine Principle are by contrast thoughtful and genuinely seek to understand. It's simply astounding to me that Unificationists don't take the time to look up these sources and make this a full-length, informative article that tells the story about Unification beliefs and their relation to the Christian tradition. If I were a Unificationist I would certainly think this was a valuable project, definitely worth the time it would take. -Exucmember (talk) 08:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. Generally I feel that that would be against the spirit of WP policies. People not directly involved in an issue should be the main editors. 2. I don't feel comfortable writing my own version of Divine Principle for the public. I think that would also be original research. 3. People who are interested can easily access UC websites and read the DP, as well as various commentaries, themselves. Steve Dufour (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Steve: I don't think Exucmember was asking for "[your] own version of Divine Principle for the public" or WP:OR. He was asking for inclusion of "scholarly discussion of the book's contents", as I have likewise done myself. This is entirely within the spirit of wikipedia -- specifically WP:GNG -- which calls for significant coverage in independent reliable sources (i.e. by third party experts). If such sources exist, then they should be summarised for this article. If they don't (which would be surprising), then this article shouldn't exist. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 14:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not object if this article were merged to Unification Church. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I think that the core of Unificationism should be God's love, the other two are important too.Steve Dufour (talk) 02:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree that WP having a good article on the DP would be nice.  I've already explained some reasons I don't feel like taking responsibility for it. I don't see any problem with keeping this article or merging it to Unification Church since the basic info on the DP is already there. Steve Dufour (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is in fact very little on the DP in Unification Church, and what is there is fragmentary, and does not distinguish between views coming from DP and those coming from less formal/less systemicised sources. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite of content section with third-party references

message: I think that Unification Church and antisemitism should be merged into this article. The main substance of that article is criticism of some sections of the Divine Principle which seem to some people to be antisemitic. As far as I know (and I have been a UC member for over 30 years) no one is seriously saying that UC members hate Jewish people or are hostile to the Jewish religion in any way, which having a separate article on "Unification Church and antisemitism" might seem to imply. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with Steve's reasoning. My only concern is that charges of antisemitism in Divine Principle (which honestly are based primarily on misunderstanding) would tend to overshadow the far more important topics that at present are barely covered (or not even covered!) in the Divine Principle article, which is grossly inadequate. -Exucmember (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Is the issue of 'Unification Church and antisemitism' solely (or even overwhelmingly) about allegations of antisemitism in the DP? (It would seem that the issue also slops over into Moon's speeches as well.) If not, a better home for this material may be Unification Church. Of course all this is problematical due to how poorly sourced the material is -- which may need to be corrected before a home can be determined. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rev. Moon's speeches in question are about the application of the DP, that is calling UC members of Jewish ancestry to repent for the failure of Jewish people at the time of Jesus to support him.  There would be no problem in mentioning that in Divine Principle. It is a legitimate point of criticism and should be mentioned in the article. (AFAIK no one has ever said that Rev. Moon hates Jewish people either.) Also the issue could be briefly mentioned when the DP is discussed in Unification Church and Sun Myung Moon.Steve Dufour (talk) 04:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove the tags since there doesn't seem to be a consensus to merge the articles, or much interest in the issue. Another problem is that doing so would create a "controversy" section to this article and there is even less consensus for that. Steve Dufour (talk) 01:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal (old)

message: The charges of antisemitism are not aimed at the followers or even the church policies, other than of course the fact numerous UC members are (were?) Jewish. Most of the flak comes from a three-decades-old analysis of DP, along with a continuing reaction to Father Moon's statements about the Holocaust as Indemnity (Unification Church). 
As advised by Jayjg and others, we cannot assert that "it's all a misunderstanding". That is not our editorial role as contributors. We also must avoid a WP:COI violation, and it behooves those of us who are church members to avoid even the appearance of a violation.
We may, however, be able to place side by side (for readers to compare and contrast) the specifics of the theological antisemitism charge with the church's response. I began to do that in the Unification Church antisemitism controversy article. I think we have an consensus among Wikipedia contributors that none of us wants to label the charges as true or false: we all simply want to describe the charges in terms of who made them, when, and on what grounds - and also to describe the rebuttals in the same terms.
For example, when the rabbi said all mentions of ancient Jewish people were negative, we can follow that with Johnny Sonneborn's rebuttal which includes DP passages which Sonneborn says are positive.  
* "The Jews all fell into faithlessness" (cited as being representative of the "fact" that all mentions are negative)
* "It was by faith that Abraham ..." (cited as being representative of the "fact" that not all mentions are negative)
It's a bit difficult for some of us, as members, having an interest in seeing a "fair" or even "positive" account of the church and its teachings in such a prominent place as Wikipedia. If we on occasion we seem to cross the line from NPOV-syle fairness into advocacy, recall that the ArbCom said that text should not be deleted from an article merely because it advances a point of view. If balance is needed, there are editorial ways of providing it, such as adding a simple phrase like there are various viewpoints about this. --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute over the charges of antisemitism

message: Yamamoto's 30-year-old book, which is representative of typical Christian objections to UC theology, should be mentioned in more than a footnote. Let's bring the following quote into the article:
:"The doctrine of indemnity is not biblical. 'In simple language.' states Ruth Tucker, 'indemnity is salvation by works.' Bob Larson makes a distinction between Moon's doctrine and biblical theology, saying, 'Moon's doctrine of sinless perfection by "indemnity [forgiveness of sin by works on Moon's behalf], which can apply even to deceased ancestors, is a denial of the salvation by grace offering through Jesus Christ.' 'Farewell,' said John Calvin. 'to the dream of those who think up a righteousness flowing together out of faith and works.'"
The point is both to describe the church's idea, as well as to describe contrasting and/or opposing ideas. --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Ed. Actually the disagrement between the DP and traditional Christian understanding is the "big story" that is of interest to the general reader. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. -Exucmember (talk) 07:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical response

message: While the church definitely sees the fall of man as the failure of Eve as well as Adam, it is a little less clear (to some) whom the church blames (and for what) at the first advent of Jesus Christ. (I had started to write a bit about that, but due to slow follow-up the article was deleted without a redirect; so, I'll have to start over.)
Anyone who has sat through a film or video of Rev. Moon's landmark Madison Square Garden speech would leave with the unshakeable impression that Unification Theology places the bulk of the blame on John (see Failure of John the Baptist). Yet Christian critics of the church, putting words in Rev. Moon's mouth, say that the church accuses Jesus of failing. I think this is at best a translation error, and more likely a PR tactic to make Rev. Moon look bad by (falsely) quoting him as bad-mouthing Jesus. 
Can someone help me research all the relevant quotes and viewpoints? --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Cirt has removed it entirely -- a move I concur with. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Has this concept been discussed in any independent reliable secondary sources? Cirt (talk) 06:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  -- I would say "yes" -- Yamamoto, Enroth, Lewis, Roberts (from the Google Books search) all look like they qualify. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! So those could be used, instead of drawing WP:OR inferences from primary sources affiliated with the article's subject. :) Cirt (talk) 06:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. However, it appears that the ultimate source of this controversies is statements made by Moon (in 1971 & 1974, according to Enroth), rather than the book that is the topic of this article. It would perhaps be more appropriate to include this material in Unification Church therefore. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Or else start a new article: "Unification Church beliefs." Steve Dufour (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Given this topic-area's rather dire history of premature & non-viable stubs, I would very much prefer a gestation as a section within an article on an appropriate broader topic until it develops enough material and third party sources to survive on its own. Unification Church#Beliefs is not yet large enough that WP:SUMMARY needs to be applied to it. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Who failed at Christ's advent?

message: I have proposed that Indemnity (Unification Church) be merged into this article. There is already a section covering it here which duplicates some of the information in the other article.  "Indemnity" in the Unification Church doesn't have any other meaning or importance than as a part of the Divine Principle so the information on it might as well be given here in the main article on the topic. Borock (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the quotes in Wikiquotes' page on the DP.Steve Dufour (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will merge the articles and then delete the quotes, since that is what people seem to agree on. Borock (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: I came here looking for information on True Family, and I was astonished to be redirected to an article about ... a book? ... some theology? If Rev. and Mrs. Moon, their children, and their grandchildren are what their followers think of when they say "True Family", then shouldn't we get some more information about them? At least a list of the ones who are still involved in the church or who did something significant before dying. 
Where's Ariana Moon? Could we at least have a redirect to In Jin Moon (her mother), founder of Lovin' Life Ministries and current head of the Unification Church of America? --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:30, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the merger seems odd. Here was the discussion which led to it: Talk:List of Unification Church members#Merge in True Family. It seems to have been an afterthought.   Will Beback  talk   00:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Unmerge proposal

message: What's the source for saying 1966? The article on Moon himself says it was published in 1957. Or is it a different book (despite being linked to here) as that article gives the transliteration of the Korean as 'Wolli Hesol'. Lovingboth (talk) 13:34, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been a UC member since 1974 and I have no idea where that date or the 1957 date comes from.  Neither makes much sense in terms of UC history.Steve Dufour (talk) 15:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publication date 

message: It seems to me that the notable topic is Unification Church beliefs, which is already a section in Unification Church.  I'm not sure that any edition of the several books titled "Divine Principle" is really notable in the world.  All were published by the church itself and had a very limited readership. (I'm a UC member BTW.) -Steve Dufour (talk) 05:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge with major pruning of this article, in to a section in the Unification Church article. There's no need - and indeed every reason not to need - an exposition of Unification theology on Wikipedia. Now, imagine if the Epistle to the Romans, Institutes of the Christian Religion, or Summa Theologiae was treated in such a way? (Late edit: I didn't know it had a limited readership: I read it, and I'm a Catholic cleric.) St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ 13:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's cool that you read it, however it did not make the NYT best seller list. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 03:25, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor has ever the Summa Theologiae, or, for that matter, insofar as I know, any translation of the Bible, ever done so - that does not make them non-notable, indeed, the Summa being, likely, the most important single work of Western philosophy and theology, and the Bible the most important Western book of all time (not that I intend to argue against myself in my support for merging). St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ 03:07, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Support merge Right now much of the information is in both places.  Also people who are looking for information on UC beliefs might not know about the expression "Divine Principle."  Anyway the expression has been used by other groups as well.  When you think about it most people would agree that God is concerned with principles.  Even atheists might agree. Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the UC's beliefs are one of the main things that make it unique (and controversial), so they should be well-explained in the main article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Support It makes sense to me too. Of course trim the duplicated material. Borock (talk) 02:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like people agree.  Will do merge as discussed. Borock (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to UC?

message: A discussion has been started at Talk:Holy_Spirit_Association_for_the_Unification_of_World_Christianity about splitting this article from Unification Church. Interested editors might wish to participate. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unmerging