Talk:Ger (Hasidic dynasty)

message: i have some gerrer wedding videos that i would like to post links to. the link is http://youtube.com/watch?v=owi6tzww-0Q. do you all think this would be an appropriate video to post? let me know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.64.143.32 (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  gerrer wedding videos 

message: Some vandal is constantly reverting all my edits and additions on this page.Ortho 03:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in the world are you getting this: I have some Ger relatives and frankly the above is bunch of crap - their sexual relations would be similar to most religious Jews (remember it is a Mitvah to provide sexual happiness to one's wife), and this business of once a month and holes in the sheet comes from holes in the head@Incorrect 04:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been told the same things by other Hasidim--not the hole in the sheet (definitely a myth), but that Ger is extremely restrictive about sexuality and that they don't talk about their wives. I've also been told, however, that things are loosening slightly now as Ger women are not willing to put up with only having sex once a month. If this is an urban legend it is one with a lot of currency within the Hasidic community. Alexisr 19:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandal 

message: The Bais Yisroel Z"L who was the 5th Gerrer Rebbe emphasized the portions of the Torah that deals with being holy and pure. He left a great impression on all walks of life that came in contact with him and was highly respected by all chasidic circles. His idea was to elevate every person to somehow become one level higher than his present state. There are countless stories from individuals (Chasidim and NON Chasidim)  who met the Rebbe, which relate how he had a tremendous spiritual impact on them and how this strong impression will never leave them. What makes this even more impressive is that many of these encounters with the Rebbe were for a very short period of time. 
Ger is by far the most restrictive of all Hasidic sects regarding sexual matters, allowing marital sex only once a month and without any foreplay even a simple hug or kiss. The Beis Yisrael is responsible for reinforcing these restrictions in Ger post WWII with great effort and amidst opposition from others outside Ger such as Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky the Steipler Gaon.
Gerrer Hasidim do not walk in the street with their wives side by side rather she walks four cubits behind him. A Gerrer hasid will not utter the word "wife" rather he will say "bei mir in shtib" or "bei dir in shtib" ("in my house" or "in your house" respectively). (There are but a few sources in the Talmud that allude to such a way of speaking.)Itzik18 07:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in the world are you getting this: I have some Ger relatives and frankly the above is bunch of crap - their sexual relations would be similar to most religious Jews (remember it is a Mitvah to provide sexual happiness to one's wife), and this business of once a month and holes in the sheet comes from holes in the head@Incorrect 04:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been told the same things by other Hasidim--not the hole in the sheet (definitely a myth), but that Ger is extremely restrictive about sexuality and that they don't talk about their wives. I've also been told, however, that things are loosening slightly now as Ger women are not willing to put up with only having sex once a month. If this is an urban legend it is one with a lot of currency within the Hasidic community. Alexisr 19:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emphasis on Purity and Holiness

message: In the section "Distribution of Gerrer Hasidim" it says "Rabbi Avraham Mordechai Alter, who managed to escape, set about the task of rebuilding the movement in the British Mandate of Palestine" and in section "The 5th Gerrer Rebbe" it says "The Beis Yisrael ... rebuilt Ger after its virtual destruction in World War II". This seems contradictory and should be decided or clarified. Debresser (talk) 23:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in article 

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message: This article is about a Hassidic group that has had 7 Rebbes over the generations. These allegations are against one out of those 7 Rebbe's 9 children. Furthermore, the only source of these allegations is an Haaretz article which relies on a supposedly anonymous victim. There was never a police report or an investigation to corroborate it. Considering that Haaretz has been accused of being anti-Haredi and that there is Gerrer Opposition with motive to malign and besmirch the Gerrers and their leader, these allegations certainly appear to be highly questionable. Since these allegations aren't very relevant or corroborated and have not even received notable coverage (other then Haaretz - the additional citation quotes Haaretz) then why are they given a section on this wikipedia page? Wikipedia isn't a gossip section in a tabloid.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 16:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ping: User:Smntstatus--Steamboat2020 (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: On the face of it, it appears to be a credible article (). Non-editorial/opinion articles from Haaretz are considered acceptable sources for Wikipedia's purposes. The source in question relies on two anonymous victims, as well as several additional anonymous sources. It references a previous investigation into the same alleged perpetrator and also presents a response from a representative of the community, which includes the possibility of feuding within the community being a motivation for the allegations. Wikipedia's article should be able to document the conflict without taking sides. Ibadibam (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Ibadibam: You addressed the credibility of Ha’aretz and that the allegations were potentially motivated by the breakaway faction. However, you didn’t address whether these allegations are notable in terms the Hasidic dynasty as a whole. Let’s assume the Ha’aretz article was written in good faith. Let’s assume the breakaway faction had nothing to do with these allegations. I still think it shouldn’t be included on THIS page (if the Rebbe’s son had his own page then of course it should be included on it) and it certainly didn’t deserve and entire section devoted to it. Let’s put it in perspective. This page is devoted to the Ger Hasidic group. The group has had 8 Rebbes and a leader of  an offshoot sect. Those 9 leaders cumulatively have had many children. I have no idea how many Gerrer Rebbe’s children there have been over the generations but according to the article we know that the current Rebbe has 9 children. We are talking about allegations made against one of those 9 children. How notable are these allegations against the sect a whole? If one of the estimated 100,000 followers was accused, I think everyone would agree that it doesn’t reflect the movement and isn’t notable for this page. So where do we draw the line? One out of many children was accused of abuse, so does that reflect the movement or his father? If there was alleged knowledge of it in the hierarchy and it was covered up, then at least the cover- up would be notable  but all the Haaretz report supposedly stated was that it was known to at least one “senior figure”. A senior figure is an extremely vague term. Does that refer to a principal of one of their numerous schools? I don’t believe that knowledge of the allegations and refusal to act upon those allegations by one rouge principal in a such a large network of schools, which is estimated (albeit without a reference) at 100 institutions is particularly notable. Your thoughts?--Steamboat2020 (talk) 18:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: While it could be argued that the information in the article demonstrates the sect's approach to handling sensitive problems and is thus a representative, notable fact, you're right that the article doesn't attempt to make such a generalization. I can think of two other places for this: Yaakov Aryeh Alter, with a focus on how the Admor handled the issue; or Sexual abuse cases in Brooklyn's Haredi community, where there has previously been consensus for removing the "Brooklyn" constraint on the article's scope. Ibadibam (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Abuse