Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music/Archive 1

message: This should have subcategories - e.g. european and western classical music, chinese, indian, etc. - also, the true classical period in western music is quite limited but a larger group is what people in the west are used to considering classical (Gregorian Chant is not classical in the narrower sense, nor are others more modern.).
:The usual convention is to use "classical" in lowercase for the classical tradition (analogous to "jazz", "opera") as a whole and "Classical" capitalized for the stylistic period (analogous to "Baroque", "Romantic"). Thus, Bach's music is classical but not Classical. --Marnen Laibow-Koser 19:43, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Hello,
I am trying to find people interested in making a comprehensive monography about Frederic Chopin (hopefully the most comprehensive ever written :-) ).  It should be published as a CD-ROM under GFDL.  If you are interested you could look at a description of the idea on User:Schopenhauer/Chopin.  I already contacted some people of Mutopia Project that are interested in helping. Chopinhauer 14:40, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikimonography - Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin

message: If I made a WikiProject Sound samples to encourage the uploading of ogg vorbis music samples, would anyone join me?  I think it'd be great if we had samples of as much as possible, but it's rather tedious and time-consuming to do in bulk.  If you don't know how, it's easy -- I can walk you through on a Mac and point you in the right direction on a Windows.  We could even advertise a week in which we encourage Wikipedians to do just two a day for a week, or maybe just one sample for their five favorite bands/albums/whatever -- with the number of users who probably have copious sound samples, we could really move towards having a comprehensive review of music.  Any takers? (I am posting this to several project pages, please respond at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music) Tuf-Kat 22:23, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
:I have always wanted to - but have never found public domain music... Remember to upload to Commons --Oldak Quill 22:11, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample uploading project

message: I intended to write an article about all the winners of the International Frederick Chopin Piano Competition, but I haven't managed to find any biographical articles about Alexandre Uninsky, the winner in 1932. There is a Polish site though - , so if anyone knows Polish, a translation would be *highly* appreciated. I think that anyone that has won such an important competition is worth having an article in Wikipedia. --Missmarple 12:48, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed, anyone Polish here? 

message: Concert bands, marching bands, and the like seem excluded from this project? Marches, original concert band/wind ensemble compositions, etc. Is there a way for those pages to be folded into this project, or do they belong elsewhere? Cmadler 17:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Band music? 

message: I've created a comprehensive listing of free (Almost all PD) books about classical music available on the net. I found that many of project gutenberg's texts weren't properly categorized on the PG index so I "digged" a bit, using all sorts of queries. 
The million book project of Archive.org also has a lot of (uncategorized) books on the subject, unfortunatly they are in DjVu format (scanned graphics), thus aren't really useable as text. --Rotem Dan 21:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PD books about classical music and musicians 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Would you consider that violin might count as A-Class, if a formal references section were added?  (These articles don't need to be FACs, merely at a stage where FAC might be considered)  Can you suggest some other A or decent B-class articles we might use? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot, Walkerma 05:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: I've created a fair use copyright tag at . Please use this only for sheet music used in the specific article for that work (e.g. :Image:Ravel bolero drum rhythtm.png in Bolero). Use  if you are using the excerpt in another article (e.g. :Image:Debussy String Quartet second movement opening.PNG in Motif (music)). If you are going through music articles and you see a sheet music image that this applies to, please add it. For more info about fair use, see Wikipedia:Fair use. Thanks. – flamurai (t) 19:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use copyright tag for sheet music 

message: I am a big fan of classic music, I was wondering how one could help with this prodject.
--Fontenot 1031 00:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helping 

message: People here may be interested in recent article creations: Huntsville Symphony Orchestra, Mobile Symphony, and Alabama Symphony Orchestra. They could use some fleshing out. --Fang Aili talk 15:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orchestra articles 

message: Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions.  Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Arts WikiProject article table for articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us.  Please feel free to post your suggestions right here.  Thanks! Walkerma 17:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0 

message: Could someone with a lot of time an unlimited amount of time help me with a List of Piano Concerti by key? The one and only Cliff 00:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List 

message: Me again. I haven't been active around this WikiProject for a while, but that was me showing my exopedian side. :) That being said, I created a table at  and was wondering if I could ask some of you to review it. I eventually intend it to be used in most articles about compositions by composers. I would prefer when it is used, to be subst:ed. Two such examples are here and here.  —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♫-) 23:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like a good idea, but I'm a bit concerned about its limitations:  what is to be done when a song has numerous key and time signature changes, like in The Rite of Spring?  Are all of them to be put in the box? Dar-Ape 18:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, is there one primary key that it is in more than the others? And there are actually really only about three composers who I wanted it to be on… —  $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 19:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: I came across a seemingly unique article, that of the Symphony No. 7 (Sibelius) discography. The category (apologies, can't figure out how to link to it) only lists three others, though the Sibelius is the one that seems most worthwhile and useful. Any thoughts on making similar pages for other pieces? I've found it's quite difficult to find such info in one place. Granted, it'd be better if there were a classical Wiki with such info, but I don't know of any... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 12:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disography articles 

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replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: I have just created Portal:Classical music and would appreciate participation, suggestions, or anything else anyone has to offer.  Thanks, Dar-Ape 23:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal 

message: Some articles, such as Carmina Burana (Orff), contain extensive sections on this piece in pop culture. While that wouldn't surprise Alex Ross, I think it is blown out of proportion. If we want to report such trivia as "the band Whatever uses O Fortuna as their intro music prior to taking the stage" at all, they should be limited to the band's article. Should we therefore just delete these sections altogether and replace them with a simple sentence: "This piece is being used by numerous bands, advertisements and college hockey teams." or should we create a new article Use and abuse of classical music in pop culture so those who want to add this information have a place to do so without annoying the rest of us? — Sebastian (talk) 22:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a place for that, List of popular songs based on classical music. 'Abuse' would be hidiously POV, and not all of use consider such things a bad thing anyway. As for the orther mater, such at talking about the refs in the articles about the originals, well, it's the same case as 'trivia' sections. Most of the time, such things can be written in a more encyclopedic way, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean they don't have value. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 00:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article name was, of course, tongue in cheek. But I realize I wasn't clear enough. List of popular songs based on classical music is not what I meant.  Such trivia as "the band Whatever uses O Fortuna as their intro music prior to taking the stage" have nothing to do with the creativity involved in composition - they just blast it from their loudspeakers. Do you really see value in that sort of information? Where do you draw the line?  — Sebastian (talk) 02:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fact something is so heavily used in pop culture is needed, yes. Why? It shows a pieces influence in general, helps bring a dimension to things from all sides. Certainly not every possible tidbit of info needs to go in every article, but if they can be sourced and are of notable use, then most definetly yes. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 02:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical music in pop culture 

message: I'm not sure how relavent this is to this WikiProject, but the article is up as a FAC, and it could use a little work, so if anyone has the knowledge to make the changed requested by those who oppose the FA status, your help would be appreciated. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 04:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Homophony]] 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: Hello, is there a userbox for this project? I'm currently using a generic userbox that links to a non-existent category, but I would prefer an "official" userbox if one exists. I've already tried looking through the standard and userspace galleries, to no avail. Thanks. --Kyoko 20:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had made one back when I used userboxes. Here it is: . It looks like this:  -- ßottesiηi (talk) 21:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S.: I just made it into a template now, people had just been copying the code - that's why it's not listed. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I will insert it now. --Kyoko 21:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You might consider adding a link to a category if one exists... probably "Wikipedians who participate in WikiProject Classical music" or something like that. --Kyoko 21:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  userbox for project? 

message: Just tried to fix it up a little and make it clearer. Hope it helps. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project page cleanup 

message: I'm worried about the idea of including an "official outline" for all works of classical music.  Really, a good article is whatever is well organized and covers what is important about each work.  The form of organization that is needed may be different for different works.  
An prescriptive outline is fine as a means of making sure that nothing has been inadvertently omitted.  But I do not want to see future edits that reduce article quality merely to conform to an arbitrary template.  It's easy to foresee that this would produce contentless sections, overelaborated section headings, and other avoidable faults.
I would suggest that the guideline read something like:
:"An article should be internally well-organized, following an outline suited to the work in question.  Some topics that, where relevant, would be worth including are the following: [list here]"
Thanks for listening, Opus33 17:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is an excellent idea:  indeed, it is risky to be over-prescriptive for something like this.  Articles on things as different as Josquin masses (just wrote one yesterday), Billings tunes, Webern piano pieces, and Wagner operas should not have to conform to a specific template.  Thanks, Antandrus  (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please, do not overspecify article form 

message: The article Zigeunerweisen is currently occupied by an obscure Japanese film, and we are trying to move that to Zigeunerweisen (movie).  See Talk:Zigeunerweisen for the WP:RM vote.
Also, it would be appreciated if somebody can create a stub for Zigeunerweisen (Sarasate), which shall eventually be moved to Zigeunerweisen.--Endroit 10:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just created a stub for Zigeunerweisen (Sarasate) (which should be moved to Zigeunerweisen).  Please check for accuracy, and expand it if possible.  Thank you.--Endroit 10:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just posted on the talk page of Zigeunerweisen - I think that the film is not notable enough in relation to the composition to introduce a disambiguation page. Any comments? -- ßottesiηi (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! I love when you make a comment about something meaning to go back and do it yourself but  others take up the task! -- ßottesiηi (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sarasate]]'s Zigeunerweisen 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I'm diffidently trying to implement various items that emerge from the above discussion.  Three things:
*Deleted the ultra-detailed article outline; no one disagreed with my comments given above in "Please, do not overspecify article form", and Antandrus agreed with them.  
*Added paragraph banning subjective content except in cited quotations 
*Added paragraph allowing observations from the score, but only straightforward ones.
Comments welcome.  Opus33 20:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mostly looking quite good to me, and definitely a great step in the right direction. I made a little tweak in the wording and will continue to read it over and see if more should be done, but we're doing well thus far, I think. Heimstern Läufer 20:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, and about the removal of the article outline: I definitely agree that we shouldn't overprescribe article form. That said, I wonder if we might consider restoring some of that template, not as a required form for articles, but more just as a possible starting point? We would acknowledge, of course, that not all articles will fit the template well, but we could still say "these are some things to think about including and this is a possible form". The reason is that I do sometimes check that template to see if there are things I could add to an article to make it better. Heimstern Läufer 20:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I would be content with a template that was non-binding.  Opus33 20:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, one-size-fits all makes little sense with something as individualized as classical music. I'll get around to restoring the template with the wording changed to say it's a possible way to organize articles later on. Heimstern Läufer 21:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Implementation

message: I've made a proposal for a Wikiproject on film scores, if anyone here is interested: [] SUBWAYguy 22:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Film Music