Talk:List of dodgeball variations

message: I think the variations should be broken up, as this page is very long as it is.  Brandonrush 01:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sections

message: I noticed that the headings in the article are of different size, ie: Kingdom Dodgeball and Marathon Dodgeball have bigger headings than Dr Dodgeball. If this is not intentional, they should all be changed to the same level. IanTheMacFan 21:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time, the sub headings were for what seemed similar games. I really don't care if you want to make them all the same, i just thought there would be less confusion with similar games grouped.  >-{ Brandonrush }-<
I agree. It would be less confusing than people posting the same games over and over again under different names. I will see what I can do.
LaserDude11
What exactly is "Kingdom Dodgeball" and "Marathon Dodgeball"?122.107.158.194 (talk) 07:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed heading levels 

message: In school, we played a game called mongooseball where half the players were on the perimeter of a square and the other half were on the inside. The players on the outside tried to hit the players on the inside. If you got hit, you went to the outside (or sat down, I can't remember which). The last player left in the middle was the "top mongoose." I think this was a pretty fast-paced game, depending on the number of balls in play. Captain Zyrain 01:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add stuff like this without independent, reliable sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Mongooseball

message: I don't think it should be merged because Prisoner Ball isn't a variaton of dodgeball, rather a variation of volleyball. Nothing444 16:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely nothing at Prisonball suggests such a thing.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prisonball merge 

message: I cleaned up the list, removing any of the variations that were unsourced. The AFD consensus seemed to be to keep any that we could source, and remove the rest. If I accidentally removed a notable variation, please restore it and add a citation. -- Intractable (talk) 19:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, piles and piles of unsourced crap has been added back in. Virtually nothing in the article is sourced with footnotes to reliable, independent sources, so it's time to start over.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Update: I've removed 4 or 5 unsourced additions, but at least 4 sections are still totally unsourced.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed unsourced variations 

message: Just another variation of dodgeball I heard about, where there are no borders. I think that when a player is hit, they must crouch down and wait for another team member to catch a ball, but I'm not sure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpenguin17 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add stuff like this without independent, reliable sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaos 

message: I have come up with a new twist on an old game/sport.Many of the same rules apply as with "standard dodgeball",But with footballs.Regular footballs deflated a little and also weighted 2 and 3 pound footballs.Great training for Quarterbacks,recievers,and defenders.While still in the development stage,this could be a dangerous game with 2 and 3 pound balls being hurled at you.Some people want that danger element.This could just be the new Extreme Sport/Game.(IDFA)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodge Football (talk • contribs) 13:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice idea, man. But how exactly does it help this article in any way?122.107.158.194 (talk) 07:05, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this is a WP:NFT violation, and should be removed from the article. It's no wonder people want to AfD this page.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Update: I removed it, since the above poster admits it's their own recent invention. There are no reliable, independent sources for it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodge Football 

message: Is kings court like old school dodgeball? GmsPwnsAll (talk) 22:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  King's court 

message: Aren't these two dodgeball variations the same thing? I read the descriptions and they seem to be nearly the same product. Should they be merged?122.107.158.194 (talk) 07:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Army dodgeball/Medic dodgeball 

message: I havhin the single section Bombardment. Here they are, each in full, with the duplicate text in boldface:
::Bombardment is a game played with two teams and five balls on an inside gymnasium (usually a basketball or netball court) divided into three roughly equal zones. Each team can roam freely in their own zone, or in the central no-man's land that divides their zones. If you are hit with a ball on the full, you are out, if you catch a ball on the full, the teammate who has been out longest returns to the game (in some versions of bombardment, you can choose who to bring back). Deflecting a ball with a ball that a player is holding is allowed.
::Bombardment is played with two teams each with three pins and five dodgeballs. The objective is to knock over all the opposing team's pins or eliminate all the players on the other team.  Players can get out by getting hit, however it must be below the neck. Also if a ball is thrown and a player catches it on the full, the player who threw it is out and the teammate who has been out longest returns to the game (in some versions of bombardment, you can choose who to bring back). There are several variations such as if the game is played in a gym.  If a player hits the basketball hoop's backboard or shoots a basket, then that team frees all eliminated players.  The game is also sometimes played with three pins per team and variations of this game are also known as Pin Guard or Battle Ball.  Another variation changes the purpose of the pins, in this variation it restores all the members of the opposing team.
:As you can see, there is much in common, but there are also significant differences. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see... thanks.--122.107.158.194 (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still unsourced, and subject to deletion without reliable, independent sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger: Every Man for Himself / Elimination/Mash 

message: Are the games "Pony Express" and "Poisonball" considered variations of dodgeball? I am asking this because they both involve hitting people with balls and eliminating them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.158.194 (talk) 08:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about citing a reliable source before adding stuff like this?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pony Express/Poisonball 

message: Schmoball is a variation on the every man for himself game. In this version, when a player is out, instead of going to the sideline, he/she sits in the spot where they were when they got out. The sitting player can still actively participate and has 3 ways to get back in. He/she can tag a player running by, when this happens, the tagged player sits and the sitting player is back in with no restrictions (there are no tag backs). The siting player may also pick up a lose ball, stand and try to hit a standing player. If the standing player is hit, he/she sits that the thrower is back in. Finally, a sitting player will be back in if they catch a ball in the air before it touche sthe ground or wall, provided the throw was from someone still in. The game is over when there is only 1 player left and he/she has the ball  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.155.200.72 (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add stuff like this without independent, reliable sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:29, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmoball 

message: i've played a variant similar to the one above called sellout, sprout, or crowball, where it's every man for him/herself and if you get out you sit down. there are only two differences:there are many dodgeballs rather than only one and the only way to get back in is if somebody gets the person who got you out. so for example
John hits bob-bob sits down.
mary hits john-john sits down, bob stands up and gets back in the game
mary hits bob-bob sits back down
casey hits mary-mary sits down, bob and john stand back up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.92.98 (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add stuff like this without independent, reliable sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

text: PS: That's just a non-team variant of Killerball (game).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sellout 

message: Virtually nothing in this article is verifiable, because for any alleged fact there is a) no footnote citing a reliable source, b) only a citation to a primary source, or c) no source at all.
There appear to be two ostensibly reliable sources that could source all of the actually noteworthy variants in the list, but they are just tacked on at the bottom of the article, with no footnotes to them.
This makes it difficult for anyone to tell the difference between a variant that is probably sourceable and worth keeping, e.g. prisonball, and WP:NFT garbage that was "drive-by" added, which is probably the case with "continuous dodgeball" and "CEF style", among several others. "Every man for himself" and "poisonball", for example, were added by an anon (see their two threads above) without any sources and no support being voiced for adding them.  "Dodge football" was stated (see thread above) to have been invented recently by the person who added it, so it's a self-admitted NFT. And so on.
The probably-good sources like The Complete Book About Dodgeball and the International Dodgeball Federation Rule Book need to be examined by whoever has them, and used to source the article properly. The second of these is arguably a primary source for some purposes, but the section in it being used here is one that observes variations, so it's acting as a secondary source, vs. promulgating rules for international competition in the main body of the work, where it would be a primary source.  The Billiard Congress of America rulebook is similar, for billiards games, and our pool articles cite it without problems arising.  The YMCA and YWCA are primary sources for rule variants they use as YMCA/YWCA activities.   — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:22, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible sourcing problems 

message: Killerball (game) should merge into this list. It fails the general notability guideline, and so would be subject to deletion as a stand-alone artice. But, with one independent source, it it's just sourceable enough to retain as an entry here, and the length of this stub is appropriate for easy conversion into a section of this list. It would actually be one of the only sections properly sourced.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: There are no teams and only one ball. Players try to hit a person with the dodge ball. If you are hit you go to the side. If the person that got you out is hit then you are back in unless there are only 5 players left. Usually played on a basketball court. The player with the ball cannot cross the half court line for the side that they are on. If you do not have the ball then you can run to either side of the court. Once the game is LOCKED (meaning there are only 5 players left) the person with the ball cannot cross the opposite 3 point line from them. When the game is down to 3 players you can go anywhere with the ball. Normal rules apply that if you are hit you are out. If you catch the ball the person that threw the ball is out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.123.26.39 (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Ball  

message: This variation takes place around my entire school campus. There are two teams, everyone with balls, and one king. Basically, you must do whatever the king tells you to at all costs. The kings job is to direct the team to victory. All you have to do to win is get the other king out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Tootle (talk • contribs) 01:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdoms 

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message: This seemed to be nearly equivalent if not equivalent to dodgeball. So... Where is Soccum / Soak 'em ? — However you spell it.... How DO you spell it? lol. I googled and got all kinds of spellings. Misty MH (talk) 23:40, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Soccum / Soak 'em ? — However you spell it....