Talk:The Six Wives of Henry VIII (1970 TV series)

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I am not sure that listing Valentine Palmer as Lord Willoughby and Mollie Sugden as Lotte, handmaid to Anne of Cleves is worth the inclusion here. They both are only in one episode and in neither instance to they play a particularly large role. There are actors who are in multiple episodes - for instance  Basil Dignam as Stephen Gardiner - who are not included in this list Dunarc (talk) 20:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it have to be one or the other? Why not just expand the list. I think it's kinda interesting that Mollie Sugden was in it. DeCausa (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I take your point, but my only worry would be that including some one episode actors is it can give a misleading idea of to the importance of their characters in the series. One way around this might be to mention them in the specific episode synopsis, rather than the cast section? Dunarc (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to note Elvi Hale and Angela Pleasance are one episode actors. Noting actors - no matter how many episodes they are in - is not misleading IMO. MarnetteD|Talk 20:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks - that is a fair point (though Angela Pleasance is credited in Anne of Cleves as well as Catherine Howard, though I don't think she actually speaks in the former) and it is also true of Annette Crosby and Rosalie Crutchley. I suppose the difference is they do have starring at the start of the episodes where they play the title character. If we are expanding other one episode players who might be included would be Robert James as Robert Barnes as he plays a major role in the Anne of Cleves episode and Catherine Lacey who has a significant role as the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk in the Catherine Howard episode. Also I would be inclined to add Sheila Burrell as Lady Rochford as she is in three episodes, playing a major role in two of them. Happy to go with others thoughts on this. Dunarc (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for starting this discussion . Please be bold and add the names you mention. Ms Burrell definitely gives one of the memorable performances in the series. MarnetteD|Talk 23:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I have gone ahead and made additions.  Dunarc (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to note I have changed the Lord Willoughby link. It previously linked to the article for the title Baron Willoughby of Parham , but the character in the Catherine of Aragon episode is William Willoughby, 11th Baron Willoughby de Eresby as he shown to be the husband of María de Salinas. Also the dates would not fit with one of the Baron Willoughbys of Parham as that title was not created until 1547, well after the events of the episode.  Dunarc (talk) 20:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Dunarc, thanks from making the additions. But where are you getting the info from? The article is quite short of citations and it would be good to add some WP:RS referencing. DeCausa (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: From the credits on the recent BBC 4 repeats. They should be listed in the Radio Times at the time of broadcast, so I will try to see if I can track the original listings down and cite them.  Dunarc (talk) 22:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast list 

message: At the moment this only lists Elizabeth R, but it is mentioned elsewhere in the article that "There was also a prequel The Shadow of the Tower"  so I wonder if that series should be added. I am a bit hesitant as The Shadow of the Tower's links are less clear-cut than Elizabeth R's. While the latter's first episode picks up not long after The Six Wives of  Henry VIII  left off (and shares some characters played by the same actors), The Shadow of the Tower does not feature any characters played by the same actors and indeed it's final episode and the opening episode of The Six Wives of  Henry VIII partly cover the same ground, but depict events differently. The format is also different being a 13 episode series as opposed to six distinct plays. I wonder what others think about this. Dunarc (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of it being a prequel to the other two series. Per so much on WikiP I think it comes down to sourcing. Unless a source can be provided that TSotT was produced as a prequel the item about the connection should be removed. Mention in a "see also" might work. MarnetteD|Talk 22:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I'll do a bit of digging to see if there is a source at the time that would support the claim. Dunarc (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: One or two local newspapers at the time of its first broadcast seem to make a connection that it follows own from the two earlier series, but in the sense that the BBC was again making a Tudor based historical drama rather than explicitly saying it is a spin-off. Likewise The Stage  in 1972 mentioned Rosemary Anne Sisson writing for all three series, but as it mentioned some of her other TV work in the same article I don't think this is evidence of a significant connection. Thus so far I have found nothing concrete.  Dunarc (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the time and effort you are putting into this {{u|Dunarc|}. I would lean towards removing the item in the other article. It could be put in a footnote if another editor thinks it is important. MarnetteD|Talk 00:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related section in infobox - should The Shadow of the Tower be added?