Talk:Leopold von Ranke

message: I saw in some passing reference on the internet that Ranke and Hegel were at one point both on the same staff at Berlin (which university?) and were at the head of different faculty factions. Can this be confirmed? If it is true it is a very interesting point, since both Hegel and Ranke have very explicit attacks at each other in some of their fundamental writings, and it would add some context to their disagreement of ideas as well. --Fastfission 02:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranke and Hegel

message: Ranke was also the great-uncle of British historian Edward Hallett Carr.
I just removed the above sentence. I guess it's technically possible, but I'd never heard that, and it's not cited. Can anyone confirm this so it can go back in? -- TheMightyQuill 18:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to E.H. Carr? 

message: I feel the tone of the article privileges an outdated anglo-american idea that Ranke was a positivist whose essential contribution to historiography was his methodology and scientific aspirations. Contemporary scholarship in the West is accepting now what Germans have long known, which is that Ranke was anything but a positivist. Seen in his own context, his methodological innovations only followed from an attempt to bring the principles of visual perception to the study of the past, as J. D. Braw has argued. 
Put simply, we must distinguish between what Ranke was and how we have used him: two very different things. While perhaps applicable to his legacy, it is misleading and does a disservice to Ranke to label him a positivist in the first line when this is being wholly revisited if not rejected outright by many contemporary historians; more should be made of the other interpretations of Ranke's legacy which now have more credence. 
I am prepared to make some tweaks in this direction myself when I have some time; just putting it out there for discussion for now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.16.164 (talk) 02:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It is quite obvious even from his own work that Ranke was not a positivist. I aim to rectify this in my updated version by removing references to him as such and expanding on the various interpretations of his purported advocacy of "empirical" history. ✦ JH ✦  08:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranke and Positivism 

message: Can anyone justify the use of the Conservatism template? What about Ranke is particularly conservative or fits him into this category? I would argue that, on the contrary, Ranke's approach to history was radical and he himself described it as such. I think the box ought to be removed unless someone can put a case forward arguing otherwise. John S Holloway (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree--he was a major innovator in methodology and teaching. Rjensen (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The article does briefly cover his politics (in #Overview), but I doubt he is notable enough to the conservative movement to merit inclusion in the Conservatism sidebar template, which in turn is the only reason the sidebar is included in the article (added by an editor systematically working through all the people in the sidebar who didn't have the sidebar in their article in this edit). He was added to the template by an IP editor (in this edit) as well as Nikolay Karamzin, Jaime Balmes, Louis Veuillot, Gustave Le Bon, Maurice Barrès, Marcelino Menéndez y Pelayo, Ivan Ilyin, Henri Massis and Ramiro de Maeztu, in what looks to me less a case of "who are the important figures in conservatism", and more of "which other people on Wikipedia were conservatives". ‑‑xensyriaT 18:01, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Conservatism template 

message: Several major problems have been identified with this article and now I have discovered that much of the existing biographical information has been copied word-for-word from an external website (http://www.readanybook.com/author/ranke-leopold-von-12234). Most of the rest is unverifiable because no source is given. 
I am therefore resolved to rewrite this article, incorporating a number of significant improvements, which I have begun doing in my workspace area. Suggestions and ideas are very welcome.  ✦ JH ✦  07:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This rewrite seems to have been abandoned. Please would an interested editor assess the material added at User:John S Holloway/workspace/Leopold von Ranke, incorporate what is useful, redirect that WP:COPYARTICLE, and leave a note here when done? – Fayenatic London 17:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Rewrite 

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