Talk:Chris Hyndman

message: According to the Vancouver Sun , , Chris was born in Ottawa, Ontario, but grew up in Paradise,  Newfoundland.
70.51.170.205 (talk) 01:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace

message: I'm leaving this note because some editors have insisted on rewording the description of where Hyndman's body was found from "laneway" to "alley". 
Although it's true that some of the early sources did describe the place where he was found as an "alley", that word denotes a very narrow passageway which is wide enough only for a pedestrian, and certainly not for a car — and it carries connotations of being the kind of dark space which is often filled with garbage, and would normally have human beings in it only if they were doing something unsavory or illegal (such as a homeless person sleeping behind a dumpster, a drug addict looking for a private "not in front of mom" place to slam, or someone looking to play "hide the salami" with a dangerous bit of rough trade who just might shiv them.) And, in fact, the reader comment threads on some of those same articles revealed that drugs and/or "got stabbed by a hustler" were the assumptions that some readers jumped to about Hyndman's death — in part precisely because they tie directly into homophobic stereotypes of gay men. 
However, several news outlets actually did air video of the place where he was found; it was not an "alley" in any of the senses denoted or connoted by that word, but was in fact a wide, short and very well-lit driveway, easily wide enough for two cars to pass each other rather than not being even wide enough for one, leading to a back parking lot behind two condo buildings. It was not a space where any of the mental images conjured by the word "alley" were applicable at all — it was a space where a person could quite naturally be found for purely innocent reasons, not one where their presence would automatically imply that anything sleazy was happening.
So the word "alley" is not an appropriate description, in a neutral encyclopedia article, of where this happened — the word needs to be either "laneway" or "driveway", not "alley". Bearcat (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Although Global is using the term "alleyway", both The Star and CBC are using "laneway", which suggests some confusion on the part of the reliable sources. That said, I would also suggest using "laneway" because I consider the Star, a Toronto paper, to be more reliable when it comes to Toronto street designations than national news organisations. Ca2james (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think people assumed that it was an alley because some media outlets described it as such. Humans will attach all kinds of significance to that, but I'm hard pressed to find that they would "automatically" do so specifically because Hyndman was gay, and through their own homophobia, more than they would through a need to gossip about a deceased celebrity whose cause and manner of death are unknown. Nevertheless if Toronto newspapers are calling the site a laneway, then I support that description in the article. RIP Chris.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.26.238 (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: Most sources that say they met at a bar in Toronto also say they were arguing about feminism. The argument fact has been left out here, understandably, because it is not really a crucial fact. But it is not clear why the fact that they met at a bar matters either. Some sources say "The two met through mutual friends in 1988". To just say they met "at a bar" says nothing about how they came to be there and suggests a chance encounter while cruising. I recommend the section be revised to read "He first met Sabados through mutual friends at a Toronto bar in 1988." 99.192.71.140 (talk) 17:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me. I've made this change. --Drm310 (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "He first met Sabados at a bar"