Talk:Flag of Hong Kong/Archive 1

message: The "Rising Sun" flag, i.e. Japanese Military Flag, seems to be the official flag of Hong Kong during Japanese Occupation, doesn't it? If yes, could anyone tell me if there is the Flag in wikipedia? Many thanks. :-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 5 July 2005 14:07 (UTC)
:Oh, I've checked up some primary sources (so you can see the poster in the article), and the fact is the current flag of Japan was used in that time. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 6 July 2005 14:37 (UTC)
::The SAR flag has nothing to do with the mainland professor Xiao Hong. He've just participated in the deign competition but on the internet as he introduced himself as "participated in the design of HKSAR flag" (曾參予香港區旗的設計) in the sence that he joined the competition. However later it became a myth, spread on the internet, that he "designed" the flag. I've presonally interviewed Ho Tao and he said when he was in the committee of SAR flag design no proposal was satitsfied. Then later when he walked in a park he was inspirited by the shape of flowers and created the draft of the design which later became the official HKSAR flag. It's nothing to do with Xiao Hong. Chungpui from Chinese wiki.221.220.241.226 15:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Ho was chosen to be one of the initial judges to pick Hong Kong's new Special Administrative Region flag from more than 7,000 designs. The Shanghai-born artist recalled that some of the designs had been rather funny: "one had a hammer and sickle on one side and a dollar sign on the other." Despite the fact that six designs made the final cut, all were rejected. Ho and two others were then asked to submit proposals. Looking for inspiration, he wandered into the garden and picked a bauhinia flower. Ho noticed the five petals were not symmetrical, and they also had a winding, dynamic pattern. And Hong Kong was surely dynamic as he said.... I know that. This information adopted from Asiaweek goes along with what you said. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag during Japanese Occupation 

message: My friend Ernie allowed me to upload these photos relating to HKSAR table flags. All are under the GFDL license. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:33, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He also took photos of a flag raising ceremony. He is also willing to release it under GFDL. Do yall wish to use those photos too? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of table flags 

message: Some time ago Jerry said that he'll put this article onto FAC. But when? No more responses have been heard. Deryck C. 06:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just think we can do that, but need to make sure everything is taken care of. Most of the pictures we have are copyright OK, though placement could be an issue. The references have been started, which I think they are good enough. Personally, it should go up for FAC. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So will you vote support? Deryck C. 07:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I worked on a bunch of FA's and I know this article has what it takes. If it does not, then I will help fix it to make it happen. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I'm doing it now. Deryck C. 07:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC 

message: What does this statement mean? It sounds a bit ambiguous. I sort of imagine this: If I look at the flag, the flower is "left handed". If I flip the flag around, it's also "left handed". Is this what is intended? It seems counterintuitive. I would expect the other side of the flag to be a mirror image of the first side... --HappyCamper 05:13, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every flag has a mirror obverse and reverse. The flag of Paraguay is the only national flag to feature a different front and back on their flag. While it is standard for most flags to have mirror obverse and reverses, we have to make it clear, since it is most likely codified in the Hong Kong Basic Law. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'll add this bit to the article then. Thanks! --HappyCamper 05:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your welcome. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Originally it reads Both sides of the regional flag come with the same shape, colour and bauhinia design. revert that if you think that is better. --K.C. Tang 09:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I wonder if the one side is a reflection of the other or identical to the other? Deryck C. 10:11, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The two sides of the regional flag are identical" 

message: The first paragraph of the history section mentions people such as the "Governor", "Colonial Secretary", and "Admiralty". I think it would be nice to find out who these people were. Surely they have names we can find somewhere? I think it might be best to refrain from capitalizing these words unless we find out who they are referring to specifcally. What do you think? --HappyCamper 05:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The governor at that time was found to be Stubbs and his name was added to the paragraph. "Admiralty" is an organization instead of a person. (Admiral is a person instead). However, unluckily, the Colonial Secretary at that time is untraceable. Deryck C. 10:21, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article should then mention how the history behind the flag of Hong Kong has some incomplete information which historians today still have not uncovered. I'll add this to the article then. --HappyCamper 15:11, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What I mean, untraceable, is, I can't find the name of that person at the moment, but that should be possible if I visit Murray Tower. Deryck C. 05:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph of History needs some disambiguation? 

message: The article seems to mention Hong Kong being issued a coat of arms. Which authority conferred this to the island? I assume it was the British, but perhaps we can find a reference for this? Initially, the article only referred to this as "arms" and I interpreted this as a "coat of arms". Was this what was intented? --HappyCamper 05:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If your talking about the current emblem, I can get show you when. But if you are talking about the British Hong Kong arms, it came down from the College of Arms in London. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I'll add this to the article too. --HappyCamper 06:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms? 

message: In the section dealing with proper public display of the flag, it seems a bit too generic, as there is no mention of the "flag of Hong Kong". What do you think is the best way to deal with this? Perhaps just leaving it alone is best? Some of the material might better placed in an article which specifically deals with flag handling. Are the handling procedures any different from those of other countries? --HappyCamper 06:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: well, it could be the way to fold the HKSAR flag, it could be flown it is flown, how it is displayed with the Macau SAR flag. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:31, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh, I see. May we consider resectioning that large section, perhaps making entries with sub-sub-headings?  --HappyCamper 06:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper display and handling of the flag 

message: On 17 November 1923, the Governor replied to a question regarding white circles on colonial Blue Ensigns, the issue of concern being "the dark green of the Peak would be against the blue of the Ensign". The Colonial Office decided that the "dark green" writing at the border of the badge should consist of a series of tonal gradations from light blue, to light brown, and finally white. On 12 May 1924, the Governor penned that the badge in the Flag Book had ...for some years past differed from the flag....Flag, that was even less attractive than that in the Flag Book, would be changed to correspond to it.
can provide more context info for this paragraph?
:Name of the governor provided. Deryck C. 10:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed I don;t know what the paragraph wants to say. :( --K.C. Tang 12:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworded that paragraph...Originally it was something else, and it also didn't make sense to me :( See below --HappyCamper 15:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On 17 November 1923, the Governor replied to a question about white circles on colonial Blue Ensigns "the dark green of the Peak would be against the blue of the Ensign". The Colonial Office decided that the "dark green" writing at the border of the badge should vary from light blue to light brown and white. On 12 May 1924, the Governor penned that the badge in the Flag Book "has for some years past differed from the flag." "Flag, that was even less attractive than that in the Flag Book, would be changed to correspond to it." --HappyCamper 15:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Just a note. Name of governors can be found in the article Governor of Hong Kong. Deryck C. 06:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can check who penned this part? we should contact him/her to clarify, otherwise we should remove it, I suppose. --K.C. Tang 15:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

text: History source not always tell the exact names of people. Deryck C. 11:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit 

message: What exactly is the saffron stripe on the flag supposed to do? Is that what we in the USA commonly call fringe (yellow tassle that is stiched to the flag)? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saffron stripe 

message: Second paragraph - should that be "formalised approval" or "formal approval"? Enochlau 10:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to your suggestion. I worded it somewhat ambiguously last time because it wasn't clear from what I read what sort of approval was received, other than that it was formal and institutionalised. --HappyCamper 00:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow wordings can interchange each other. Deryck C. 00:51, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: * HKSAR v. Ng Kung Siu and Another, Court of Final Appeal, December 15, 1999
* HKSAR v. Ng Kung Siu and Another, Court of First Instance, March 23, 1999
Someone should summarise what this case is about and put it in the article before this article goes on the main page.  --  W  P Talk 01:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Desecration

message: The official site for this article dont even work anymore. What is the new url?--Huaiwei 17:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? But I can still visit the website. Which site are you referring? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 16:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has already amended the link. Duh.--Huaiwei 17:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Official site link