Talk:Sex education

message: In the text (quotes added)
The impact of the rise in abstinence-only education remains a question. To date, no published studies of abstinence-only programs have found consistent and significant program effects on delaying the onset of intercourse.[18] In 2007, a study ordered by the U.S. Congress found that middle school students who took part in abstinence-only sex education programs were just as likely to have sex (and use contraception) in their teenage years as those who did not.[34] Abstinence-only advocates claimed that the study was flawed because it was too narrow and began when abstinence-only curricula were in their infancy, and that "other studies have demonstrated positive effects".[35]
the use of the word "positive" is stating that abstinence results are beneficial, and that is a pro-abstinence POV.--Ainlina (talk) 08:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase you quoted is a paraphrase attributed to abstinence-only advocates, so including it is actually necessary to maintain NPOV, i.e., "representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources". In my view, this article cannot present only the views of those critical of abstinence-only education; that  would violate NPOV. --Sfmammamia (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV issue with "positive" 

message: But remember under the Entertainment special services exemption all except "brothels" seem exempt anyway. Maybe that is why there are tens of thouasands of tourist entertainment places and no brothels for tourists. The brothels seem to take a very low profile and mostly only cater to Thai's. Some bars in Pattaya however for one fee, typically 1500 baht ($47US) provide both the girl and the room upstairs and they don't seem concerned about the law.
So.. it seems to appease the Western moralists trying to impose their morals on Thailand, the Thai government very cleverly can say "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand". Yet the law is written (even if enforced) as to protect the activities that bring in so many billions of baht to the economy which supports so many families, women and children, and does little to change the sexual traditional morals of Thailand!
To a Westerner like me, that was very wise thinking!
http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/legal.html
Notes :
This ambivalent sort of written law should be replaced with properly and as careful and clearly worded laws that still keep the existing social structure or stricture. The spirit of the law is not in tandem with the law and that always leads to all kings of SPIRITUAL abuse like that Carradine chaaracter's death. If brothels were legal and all prostitutes registered, there would be none of that sneaking around that leaves possibilities like this sort of deaths to occur. Tourists would appreciate this above board approach that Nederlands has. Much like schools do not teach in clearly worded manner about anime-based proxy predators and paedophiles who take drugs waiting for kids to watch anime THEN spiritually rape kids. The effect is subtle and sex education at all levels should include issue like this. That way informed choices by children and teens can be made. Some education on astral body and brain wave times AFTER sexual activity could be included, or even devices that inform of mind states so that antipodal deaths/or tech crashes do not occur when the person sleeps etc.. I am aware of the spate of deaths occuring that not a single governemnt of UN agency has deigned to write any useful material about to distribute to the general public. Some of us are more vigorous than others and when mismatches occur, deaths and disasters follow. COuld there be a safe reservoir of animals OTHER than a zoo which do not get slaughtered that should be placed beside a RLD for example? Rather than implanting neurotech or suppressingh via cellphones the natural libido of people, these organic methods should be used instead. I think some of the people who will rwead this sohuld understand what specifically *I* mean?
Emancipation of the libido is a civilisational issue that mostly prude governments lack objectivity to handle properly, even as some religions oppress and suppress libido or use the same to instil violence in antipodal nations etc.. Wheres that prize for psychic research for all the paragraphs of work on organic-biochemical-psychiatry I deserve? None? Some of us get poisoned by psyche meds instead for having an EXCEPTIONAL libido. Compensation for loss of mental peace for decades? Which country would accept SEXUAL ASYLUM seekers based on the above material?
http://malaysiandemocracy.wordpress.com/ (a wordpress site with more commentary on many issues, including essay length monologues on politics, ethics, sex education, sex work etc..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:E68:4000:15:1C39:8F3B:8AEE:CB75 (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual Education for Masses/Government Duty to Inform/Facilitate/Facilitise 

message: I was surprised to find Australia missing from the World Wide section. I'm not being jingloist, however most articles include this continent in a subsection. Just pointing it out =D Iciac (talk) 00:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: I've deleted this section because it is not significant to the general subject of sex education.  Inclusion here is focusing the article on politics not sex education.  It's also recentism and undue weight for a debate that is unlikely to have a lasting impact on sex education as a whole (the actual policies instigated by a new US President may well be relevant - but we won't know or have sources for what they are or how they impact sex education for some time).   The section may be relevant for articles on the US presidential campaign and I suggest editors who think it is important to cover this somewhere in Wikipedia consider adding it to one of those. -- SiobhanHansa 19:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; would have deleted it if SiobhanHansa had not already done so. --Sfmammamia (talk) 19:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008 Presidential Campaign

message: Funny but distracting.  I would like to see a modern image depicting what secular sex education looks like in the lead section.  Viriditas (talk) 14:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No response to my concern, so I will plan on replacing the image.  Editors have had years to respond. Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found several images.  I have now uploaded :File:Barbara-Hastings-Asatourian.jpg and I am in the process of adding it to the article. Viriditas (talk) 10:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image 

message: I understand the point that this section is trying to make and I agree that this article needs to mention some arguments for Comprehensive Sex Education, however the presentation is not very professional and at least in my opinion does not belong in an encyclopedia, especially without any citation. Additionally, it seems like a series of slogans designed to convince the reader rather than to simply inform the reader. Beyond that, most of the words are capitalized for no readily apparent reason and "4 in 2 High School Students" doesn't even make any sense since four is greater than two. If this section is going to stay it either needs to be rewritten or cited. Zenintendofanatic (talk) 05:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, delete the list in the section or rewrite it.--Stanzilla (talk) 11:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top 10 Reasons to Support Comprehensive Education in Schools 

message: The "Poland" section needs grammatical clean-up as the language strongly obfuscates the content.
The "Cuba" section is a CV. I could not find reliable sources on the status of sex ed in the country. I suggest it's deleted altogether.
-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.216.14.219 (talk • contribs) 
: The listed "citation" for the Cuba reference points to a website that doesn't exist; I'm deleting the section. Duncan1800 (talk) 08:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context and grammar housekeeping 

message: Does anyone have information on how many births per 1,000 population there are in the US, age 15- to 19?--Nemissimo (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  US birth rate 

message: In High Schools, are the gym teachers required to teach Sex education? If so, why is it mandatory? If not, why is it not mandatory? I just want to know. Thanks.--205.211.16.254 (talk) 13:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it mandatory to go through Sex education in Canada? 

message: I had sex ed starting in fourth grade growing up in mill valley ca but i do not know how normal that is but it seems weird that it says as high a grade as it says--174.45.157.36 (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States 

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message: The source of the claim that positions are mentioned in German sex ed doesn't actually say that, it merely says that the question whether "real men can tolerate cowgirl" (free translation) is dealt with by ProFamilia, which is a private association and not, at all, a school.
If my memory serves me right, the instructor, when asked a question to the general topic, responded that it's up to our own creativity and nothing he's going to elaborate (which might be due to the fact that we, as a class, tried to make him uncomfortable).
If said source is trying to establish "most schools teach the use of contraceptives", then it's a very, very bad source, as sourcing the official curricula would tell you that *all* schools teach that.
As a side note, it might be interesting that Sex Ed is mandatory, for everyone.
213.39.130.28 (talk) 04:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  German source content 

message: The lead paragraph says: 
I wouldn't have thought that parents teaching their children about sex would be called a "formal program". And in fact the article says, further down (under Overview) 
Thus I think we need to reword the paragraph, either to remove the word "formal" from the first sentence, and/or to explicitly distinguish between formal programs (eg in the school curriculum) and informal eduction (eg from parents). One possibility is:
Does anyone have an comments on this? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable.  I changed it similar to suggestion.  Zodon (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Formal"? 

message: "Today, there are even mobile applications available to guide adult to child conversations i.e. The Birds & Bees Connection." Seems like an obvious advertisement for that app. Is that relevant? 99.142.7.63 (talk) 05:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obvious Ad 

message: I just added a link to publicly available digitized posters from 44 countries on AIDS awareness & education, held in UCLA Library's Special Collections. It's a rich resource that I think others will find meaningful and useful, but I'm mentioning it here because I'm a librarian at UCLA. I had nothing to do with the creation of the project, but I still want to make sure that it's generally agreed by page editors that this doesn't represent a conflict of interest. Nafpaktitism (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: 1) Relevance: there seems to be a little relevance for the definition of "sex education." "Definition" can be changed to comprehensive sex education. Plus the citations used are at least 10 years old in some areas.
2) There seems to be a high representation of a view point in this article with worlds that suggest an opinion. Under evidence there are big block quotes without citations. It also uses language that pushes an opinion, even if it is the language of the author/article the editor is citing.
3) The lead seems to be missing what I would consider a key point of relevance relating to formal and informal education. It states the main ways in which sex education is passed on, but fails to mention informal methods such as peers, media, and common types of media. This is only mentioned later on as it states how in the mid-20th century it was obtained informally, but this method of education isn't solely limited to only the 20th century...?
4) I think there could be a section for abstinence only education, such as where it is represented and by whom. Giving it a whole section with time would allow for a more balanced article.
5) There are plenty citations missing. It is missing citations regarding the increase in teen pregnancies of the 1960s and later under the heading "sources" the author writes how parents should be involved (needs a citation). This is just one of many places missing a citation as a lot of this article is direct quotes.
6) structure: it is odd to have who supports what type of education in the lead of this wikipedia article. Public opinion and some countries under "by area" seem un-necessary due to the lack of citation and information. For example Thailand has no citations at all, so why do we have it?
7) some information is a bit outdated reaching as far back as 2002. (Rbuell (talk) 15:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Some more Suggestions

message: 1) In the article "Smart boys" and "Sweet Girls," the authors argues how Thailand's sex education is considerably ineffective in that it lacks cultural context. This article makes note on what the sex education lacks, while also supporting 5 major changes to it, most of which have to do with doing away with western sex-education material. I would suggest adding ideas such as informal education being the preferred method in Thailand. I will add to the Thailand section describing how cultural context is important to consider, for example, in Thailand teenagers prefer the story based vignette approach. [4]
2) In the article "the evolution o sex education" the author argues that the sex education in Finland has been very comprehensive in the 2000s. I will add from this article the history of sex education for Finland. Some of the material will describe how Finland has curriculum called "Health Education" in which incorporates sex education. Finland also begins sexuality education at grade one. I will also incorporate how they have sexual health campaigns and fertility festivals.[5]
3) in the article "analysis of Public Policies for Sexuality education in Germany and the Netherlands" the author argues that the differences in how the US, Germany, and the Netherlands regards sexuality education accounts for the differences in STI and teen pregnancies between countries. I will be adding some information regarding how Germany requires sexuality education three times between primary and secondary school, while the Netherlands has secondary school programs such as "Long Live Love" and the "week of butterflies." these programs support talking about sexuality, self-esteem, the difference between boys and girls. I will elaborate this in the Wikipedia article. [6]
comment if you have any concerns please.  
Rbuell (talk) 05:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex education in Thailand, Netherlands, and Germany

message: 1.Why we should only give sex education to children.?
2.Is there a reduction in sexual harassment in every country that offers sex education? 45.121.91.151 (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex education 

message: User:Iniquity has tagged :Sex education#By area for splitting into a new :Sex education by area article. I agree this section is becoming overwhelming for the article here. We also have :Sex education curriculum that is identified as the main article for this section. Sounds like here we should have a summary-style and there we should have the full details. :Sex education curriculum#By area already exists with extensive detail. The article here has more detail than the curriculum article--seems backwards of the WP parent-vs-subtopic article relationship.
That article's content focuses on different areas, and has some contradictions where the areas are the same, so I think merging those two by-area sections somewhere is appropriate. And there is already identified a pre-existing target for off-loading the content that has accumulated here rather than a new third article on this topic. But if the by-area content is really extensive enough to split off its own article--and I think it overwhelms the curriculum article as well, I think that should absorb the by-area from both the main and curriculum articles. DMacks (talk) 05:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting off the "By area" section