Talk:Amy Grant

message: Why does Gary Chapman link back to Amy Grant? Entrprs6 16:58, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
:*They were both married to each other at one time. -TonyW 00:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This problem was fixed 00:05, 29 March 2005. A redirect was on Gary's page, and it was fixed soon after.Antmusic 15:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gary Chapman link 

message: Most other artist pages indicate why the songs were considered hit songs. There needs to be some sort of chart rating, not that they were well-liked songs. If they were Billboard hits or high on some other chart, that should be noted, otherwise they should be removed.
:I agree, and also there is quite a bit of text describing the theme and contet of songs which is not relevant to the subject of the article.  --Eddylyons 19:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Individual song pages with chart information are being worked on & created everyday.  The Amy section of pages on Wikipedia are looking great (thanks to everyone who has been working so hard on them including Supertrouperdc, 71.130.177.220 & Ieditwiki). I have created a lot of stubs to get people started, and I will continue to do so when I have time. Antmusic 16:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hit Songs? 

message: In 1995, Amy was interviewed, pointing to Hootie & The Blowfish and Sheryl Crow, with their acoustic guitars and more rock-oriented music, and wondered what she was still doing on the pop side of things
--Eddylyons 19:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference please 

message: You can either quote it or link to it.  http://christianmusic.wikia.com/wiki/Amy_Grant. Will 06:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information available from another Wiki 

message: Given a music contract at age 16. Needs more on early life and how she obtained that first contract.
Wfoj2 13:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life 

message: "The Animals Christmas" album by Amy Grant and Art Garfunkel from 1986 (they were equally billed on this album... Jimmy Webb is also mentioned on the front of the album). Antmusic 22:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The discography on Grant's page is a selection only.  I noticed you asked this same question in the main discography article.  Feel free to add it! – Κεραυνοσκώπηα 01:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is her discography missing "The Animals Christmas"? 

message: :Image:Heart In Motion.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. BetacommandBot 23:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ariel♥Gold 19:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Heart In Motion.jpg

message: Per WP:TRIVIA, I have removed the majority of these items from this section. "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts." Grant, like any other musician, has had her music played on a wide variety of areas, from TV to movies, to special events. This is not unusual, and does not warrant a list citing any time one of her songs was played. The article is about Grant, and information like her being parodied, or her album being seen in a quick shot on some TV show, is not relevant. I have kept two items that actually do relate directly to her, but those will need to be incorporated into the article's prose, per the manual of style's guideline. I didn't have the time to get to that just now, so am explaining the reasons here. Ariel♥Gold 19:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have again removed the non-relevant items. As explained above, we do not need to know every television show or movie that used her song, or image, or any parody of her, they are not relevant to the person's biography. Please review the trivia guideline, given above, as well as the discussion page for the manual of style. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 07:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture section 

message: Why does this article go into editorializing on Chapman when he is not the subject? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notoadultery (talk • contribs) 
:Perhaps the same reason it quotes Gary Chapman on whether or not he wanted a divorce - content which I've removed as it is not encyclopedic, but rather there to moralise on whether Grant was right to get a divorce. There is probably more that needs to be cleaned out of these section. Holford (talk) 00:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gary Chapman 

message: To Hullabaloo Wofowitz- I request to you and all who are working on the Amy Grant page that you discuss all changes and edits on this page.
I do not feel that the changes you made on your latest edit are appropriate. They are not in line with wiki instructions, with other pages in this genre (i.e., Michael W. Smith) or with the spirit or letter of the Amy Grant entry. Please discuss your edits, your credibility, your background and your reasoning before changing the Grant page.
I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, who has covered Grant's entire career and Gospel and Contemporary Christian music and much more.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Relax777 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request that edits be discussed first; to Hullabaloo Wolfowitz and others

message: Please note that using the website "amygrant.com" as a "reference" is not ideal. Please strive for secondary impartial sources (NY Times, Variety magazine, etc) not a musician's website. Occasionally exceptions are permitted when the material being quoted is not controversial or promotional-sounding, but generally, please try to avoid the subject's website. To make a claim that "Amy Grant was the first major CCM crossover artist" we need a journalist from a respected magazine like Rolling Stone saying this, or from the music critics or writers from mainstream newspapers. Thank you.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: The article has a style written not like an encyclopedia, but as if it was written by fans mesmerized by a star. What happens is that when neutral readers come across this article, and everything is rosy, is that the neutral reader will stop believing the article or sense that they can't trust what is being said on some level and their eyes will glaze over, and the article loses its effectiveness. What I'm saying is: by being SO promotional, SO everything-is-great, we're shooting ourselves in the foot, and making Amy Grant, even, look less real. The best way to solve this is to stick to facts, solid references, neutral-sounding tone. That is, follow Wikipedia's excellent rules. Don't fight excellent editors like Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, but work with them, and the result will be an even better article -- trust me here. The reason the Dana Delany article is competent and improved is because everybody worked together, trusted the viewpoints of others, and the result is an improved article. You'll make a more convincing read, and even better for Amy Grant, by this method.-- Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Either this article has been improved considerably since the  tag was applied, or it was not merited in the first place. I suspect the former is true. In any event, there is not merit for the tag in the article's current form. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article sounds too much like advertising

message: I would be glad to discuss the Grant page and specifically the intro. I would also like to discuss your wikipedia philosophy. Dougmac7 (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to discuss this page, please feel free to have the discussion here with all editors involved. HM is not the only editor involved, so any discussion should be open to all editors. If you'd like to discuss something specifically with HM, I'd suggest you ask him on his talk page (although judging from the way he deletes content, he may not want to participate). Good luck. Dayewalker (talk) 03:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts about improving this article follow. Take a look at these words in the following paragraph -- most are claims which don't sound encyclopedic, but rather like a fan or a PR agent boasting; they may be true, generally, but what I'm saying is someone reading this article will pick up so many of these words that they'll stop believing in our integrity as Wikipedia writers and won't take us seriously, and they may not think they're true when they may be very well true. What I suggest is simply list facts -- X album sold 3,434,333 copies from 1990 to 2007; Grant won Y award in 2003; and let the facts rave about Grant. I think it will make AG look better and further Wikipedia's believability. To make a claim that AG was the "best selling country artist of all time", then perhaps a chart listing her along with all country singers, with comparative statistics, is in order.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

text: My list of phrases to take a good hard look at: "most important and influential pioneer" "best-selling" "of all time"  "successful" "earned"  "well known"  "successful" "scored" (meaning what: made? or wrote the score of it?) "breakthrough" "first by a solo artist to be certified gold" "feat" "best-seller" "number one pop hit" "best-selling Contemporary Christian music singer".--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for discussion with Wolfowitz

message: Several articles related to Amy Grant have apparently been deleted without explanation. Singles "We Believe in God" and "Ask Me" both had their articles deleted and the book section on the "Breath of Heaven (Mary's Song)" page was apparently removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ieditwiki (talk • contribs) 04:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Deletions? 

message: I'm afraid to make any additions to this page without checking first to see if it's OK -- is there a reason Amy Grant's first TV Movie ("Story, Songs and Stars" with Tom Wopat) isn't listed with her work, in the "TV Shows and Movies" section?  This made-for-TV movie was aired in 1984.  Davidgra (talk) 04:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV Movie 

message: This looks bogus to me. There's no source on the performance, and I can find nothing on the internet. It was just added 3 September 2011 by a user "Mrimdman" who does not appear to exist except for a few edits at that time, all referring to the Spencer Pride Festival. If there's no substantiation of the performance I suggest the reference be deleted. Fool4jesus (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Thanks for checking that out. --Musdan77 (talk) 16:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spencer Pride Festival? 

message: This was while they Oliver and Gill were still married and was a cause for their divorce and Grant's divorce from Chapman would not be final for another 2 years.  The Gill's divorced in 1997 and the Chapmans were in 1999.  http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20129901,00.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs) 18:57, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When an editor provides a reliable source for this info, it can be added to the article. —ADavidB 02:59, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Would this be considered a reliable source?  Hmmreally (talk) 04:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes it would. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

text: I read through the talk section and it is stated before any edits are made it should be discussed first.  Here is an edit to the personal section that I suggest, could you look over it and let me know if it reflects a npov?  Also if you could suggest any changes that would keep it in line with Wikipedia standards and be informative, it would be greatly appreciated.
"Grant and Gill stated they would sign statements they did not engage in premarital relations as part of Grant’s divorce from Gary Chapman.  Janis Woodgate, whom was married to Vince Gill, stated in a 4 January 2010 interview with Good Housekeeping, that she found a love note written by Grant in her then husband’s golf bag prior to divorce proceedings.  She stated that she tried to have him end his relationship with Grant, but that was unsuccessful prior to the Gill’s 1997 divorce.
Grant was married another 2 years to Chapman before their divorce was finalized in 1999.
Because of the public divorce, some Christian Radio stations stopped playing Grant’s music.
Cite http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/inspirational-stories/interviews/a18080/amy-grant-vince-gill/"
Since Gary Chapman & Vince Gill page has already been referenced, would you suggest they be linked again or not?  Thanks in advance Walter.  Hmmreally 17:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Looks OK, except the "smart quotes". The should be straight quotes. "Grant’s" should be "Grant's". Dates should be Amercian format: Januar 4, 2010. :WP:MOSNUM would want it to read "another two years". Finally, "whom" should be "who". Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no info on Janis Gill Oliver's finding a love note in Vince Gill's golf bag from Grant? 

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message: Just wondering why?  Hmmreally 04:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you can supply a diff of the removal, and any edit summary. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:02, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: =Why was negative info about her and Gill removed?  It is sourced 

message: I love Amy Grant, but there’s no way she’s a mezzo. Do we have a source for that? She has a pretty limited range that barely makes it to C5 or D5. Without finding a concrete source, I think alto would be more accurate. That should either be removed from the categories section or updated. Dym75 (talk) 22:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I found no mention of her range in the article, other than a category at the end. Searching the web, I found https://singingcarrots.com/artist-range?artist=Amy%20Grant, which seems to base this range on her lowest and highest notes in recorded songs. The website appears to be run by an individual, with no mention of editorial oversight, so I question its use as a reliable source here. Then again, the songs demonstrating her range are identified. —ADavidB 23:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and added a sentence about her voice type to the article, citing Singing Carrots. —ADavidB 03:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amy Grant is a mezzo soprano?