Talk:Red Sox Nation

message: I'm not sure the nickname "wave 'em home wendell" is correct. I've always heard it as "Wave 'em in Kim", which would make more sense since it rhymes a bit better. Can anyone confirm this either way?
I've heard "wave 'em in Kim" more, but I don't have a link from a Boston paper to confirm this. Acefantastik
Does "Wendell Kim" really count as a cult figure?  Honestly, if he's in there, Sveum should be there alongside his equally incompetent counterpart...(still mad about that Tampa game from 2004) InTheFlesh? 01:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wendell Kim 

message: I'm not completely sure of the policy regarding citation here (or etiquette), so I didn't go ahead and just change this page, but I'd like to suggest some minute details. I'm sorry that I haven't properly linked the articles. 
Regarding the curse: Dan Shaugnessy isn't the proper cite for the inventor of the concept. The talk of the curse during the 1986 Buckner series came due to the George Vecsey headline, "Babe Ruth Curse strikes again", written after fateful game six in a New York Newspaper.  The wikipedia page regarding the curse says as much.  
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2004/news/story?page=Curse041005
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http://www.ajhs.org/publications/chapters/chapter.cfm?documentID=275
http://www.siu.edu/~siupress/titles/s03_titles/lieb_sox.htm
other information was used from the book "The Red Sox Fan Handbook", by Leigh Grossman.  This book may be good as an external link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579401104/103-8526521-9490216?v=glance
Perhaps Remy should be duplicated in the 
Acefantastik
The list of popular players to Sox nation seems pretty arbitrary.  Wakefield and Nixon were on the 2004 team, I guess they are popular with the fans.  But John Valentin? With no mention of, say a Dwight Evans, Mike Greenwell, Marty Barrett, or Bruce Hurst.  I suppose hundreds of players could be listed.  I remember him being more of a disappointment after a couple of promising seasons.
Ortiz and Ramirez are listed under this section and the "Cult Heroes" section.  I wouldn't characterize either player as a "cult hero".  They are perrenial all-stars and possible hall of famers.
The Famous fans section lists the usual New England celebrities, but I'd like to see documentation that Carrie Underwood from Oklahoma or Kenny Chesney from Tennessee, and even Robert Redford are Sox fans.
Ce2421 17:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fine tuning some of the trivia here 

message: It'd be nice if someone could clean up the bit about Johnny Damon in "Topics of particular significance to Red Sox Nation" because I'm not feeling very eloquent right now...
DrIdiot 21:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnny Damon 

message: This section is completely unreferenced. As such, I am removing it. If references can be provided to prove that the people on this list are actual Red Sox fans, it can be readded. IrishGuy talk 01:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the ones I could find references for. The above are still unreferenced. IrishGuy talk 03:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I deleted John Cena.  He appeared at the 2008 Tampa Bay Rays rally in preperation for their ALCS series against the Sox.  Was a fervant Rays fan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.46.90 (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I crossed off the ones featured in the article with references. The rest are still unreferenced. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Fans

message: How can a team that has never had a winning season, and only once finished in other than last place, have fair-weather fans?  They've never seen fair weather once!  I am eagerly awaiting someone's explanation of how this assertion came to be in the article. CoramVobis 04:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tampa Bay Devil Rays fair-weather fans?? 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:RSNation.png

message: This "nation" was invented by the Boston Globe, whose parent company New York Times is part owner of the Boston Red Sox. The Boston Red Sox charge fans to be "official" members of their fan "nation", in order to get minor perks and bogus rewards. It is an ingenious marketing scheme for bandwagon riders.Buffalohead (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grass roots fan organization or Commerical Ripoff? 

message: Removed the OR tag.  There were 2 citation needed tags in the article. I sourced both & footnoted.--Lepeu1999 (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR Tag 

message: "Cowboy up" shouldn't be a redirect to this article if there is absolutely no mention of the term. What happened? It was here a few years ago, albeit under a section with a completely ridiculous title. Will an admin please delete the "cowboy up" redirect page, or will someone try to explain the use and history of the term here (i.e. in the article)? Fuzzform (talk) 05:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cowboy up" 

message: I removed Tony Conigliaro from the "Famous Fans" section. My reasoning is that he was a star player that played with the Sox for all but one season until he retired due to his serious injury. He also has a section of Fenway named after him. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tony Conigliaro 

message: The following is not meant to be opintion based, but is being written and spoken about in media outlets such as ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and the Philadelphia Daily News:
Red Sox fans at one time were viewed as a down trodden group suffering the plight of either losing seasons or the team taking them to the edge of a championship and letting them down in the end. However, recently views have changed. Now they are viewed by fans of other teams as surly, arrogant, and more obnoxious then New York Yankees fans. It is felt that their fans have forgotten the feeling of losing and lost touch with the likes of Philadelphia Phillies fans, who's team has one championship since 1883. There are also negative views due to the teams high payroll and it is felt they are buying championships just as this was felt about the Yankees during the late 1990's. In fact many feel the Red Sox are the new Yankees.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.138.79 (talk) 16:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irony 

message: Will someone please explain the use of the term "cowboy up"? It makes absolutely no sense to have a redirect that isn't explained or even mentioned in the article. Fuzzform (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the catchphrase of the 2003 Red Sox season. I believe it was first used by Kevin Millar. -Zomic13 (talk) 04:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained redirect 

message: FTA: "Members of the Nation are even known to call sports-talk radio stations in Boston long distance during the season and remain on hold, merely to be able to talk about their beloved Sox."  - with national calling plans and cheap long distance, how is this noteworthy? And a lot of other MLB teams have such fans. 24.219.33.221 (talk) 07:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Calling Sports Stations Long Distance