Talk:Non-citizens (Latvia)

message: The intro was far too large, talking more about statelessness than about non-citizens. Summarized, moved below, and copy-edited through down to the renamed "Politics of citizenship" section, which I haven't touched yet. Enough for one night. The main point was to separate out the equating of non-citizens with the stateless versus international law which I think is now done appropriately, that is, legally, non-citizenship: is unique, had not existed until created in Estonia and Latvia, and is not the same as stateless.
   I see a number of places where refs are needed or perhaps existing one moved around, that will likely come last. I'm calling it a "copy edit" instead of rewrite as I'm mostly rearranging and improving wording, including going back to existing citations to insure proper representation. PetersV <SMALL><SMALL>     </SMALL> TALK</SMALL> 05:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A human rights NGO Amnesty International, Doudou Diene (Special Rapporteur of Human Rights Council), and CoE Commissioner for Human Rights who find statelessness in non-citizenship of Latvia are legal experts in the field of human rights, exactly like Constitutional Court of Latvia and "EU Network...". To call them "non-legal people" is at least strange. So I've removed the claim that EU Network is right (without claiming that AI, CoE Commissioner and Diene are right).Aleksandrs Kuzmins (talk) 11:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyone who says, to use the Latvian, that "nepilsoni = bezvalstnieki" is making a political (at worst) or policy (at best), not legal, statement. That's simply the way it is, as legal experts have specifically stated that nepilsons is a unique status herefore unknown in international law. So you can't say CoE et al are passing comment or judgement on whether "nepilsoni" are "stateless". The best you can say is that the comparison has been made. The very fact that nepilsoni travel visa free in the EU is proof that the two are not legally equivalent. Please don't indicate Amnesty International declarations et al. are authoritative with regard to the legal status of nepilsoni are concerned. That's doing a disservice to the topic. PetersV <SMALL><SMALL>     </SMALL> TALK</SMALL> 20:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who says, to use the Latvian, that "nepilsoni = bezvalstnieki" is making a political (at worst) or policy (at best), not legal, statement This can be your POV. However, Wikipedia cannot write that those who disagree with Vecrumba are therefore not making legal statements. legal experts have specifically stated - human rights are part of law. Are the Commissioner for Human Rights of Council of Europe and Special Rapporteur of UN Human Rights Council (jurist) not legal experts, if you don't consider the most prominent human rights NGOs like AI (its former leader Hammarberg became the Commissioner for Human Rights of Council of Europe) legal experts?  Aleksandrs Kuzmins (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

text: To rewrite the phrase With regard to international law, non-citizens are not considered stateless in "Status" section in order not to present this POV as fact (a lot of sources considering the opposite are already quoted in the same section above). Policy: WP:NPOV.Quoting section 1.1.:  policy requires that where multiple or conflicting perspectives exist within a topic each should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being judged as "the truth" Aleksandrs Kuzmins (talk) 10:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Copy Edit

message: I think the members of the project should decide what articles are of interest to them (note the wikiprojects template header: This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:). Besides, anyone can easily see the connection of this article's topic to the WP Russia. Alæxis¿question? 12:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone interested can participate in the article. The domestic policy of a foreign state, whether it is in the Baltics or in Brighton Beach, New York, is not part of Wikiproject Russia. Wikipedia is not a forum for advocating for what official Russia considers its sphere of interest.  VєсrumЬа ►TALK 00:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The WikiProject banner is not an indication of government of Russia interest, but WikiProject Russia editor interest. If members decide (as Greyhood has) that it is within scope, you may not force them to remove it. The citizenship issue of ethnic Russians in Latvia has many transnational aspects, some of which are of interest to Russia, so I think the banner is sensible. Shrigley (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  By your logic, the foreign policy of Russia and Putin's biography in particular, given his recent statements, should be part of the Baltic Wikiprojects. I supposed I'll have to go start tagging those as articles as ones of interest to the projects considering the historical lies appearing of late in Russian media (e.g., RT's piece on the resurgence of and glorification of Nazism in Latvia). VєсrumЬа ►TALK 01:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're stretching the analogy a little bit too far. RT is an international news service; there is no special focus on the Baltics. On the other hand, this article largely concerns ethnic Russians. If there is a strong, genuine, and defensible interest from the Baltic wikiprojects on certain Russian-related subjects that heavily involve Baltic people, then I don't see the problem in theory. We deal with this sort of thing on a case-by-case basis. Shrigley (talk) 21:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
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