Talk:Ace Frehley

message: Although every online source I've ever seen claims the KISS logo was Frehley's creation, there was a strikingly similar font used by a late-60s/early-70s New York publication of the same name. It was an X-rated newspaper-type magazine, along the lines of SCREW. I saw several issues for sale in the ebay adult section a while back, and I regret I did not download the images -- the KISS logo was nearly identical, right down to the lightning bolt/"SS". If anyone can name the publisher, there may be images online - otherwise, it's rather difficult to google something like that! Roz666 21:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative theory on the origin of the KISS logo 

message: Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGrdZsZ5xJg&t=110s
only the guitar part was true. Did not get the other stuff for Christmas.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockey16 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Early History

message: ah well - c'est la vie:
http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1268780.php/Ace_Frehley_is_alive_and_kicking_despite_rumors_of_suicide
Caliban23 18:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That site is a fake news generator. Try replacing "ace.frehley" with any other name and you'll get the same thing. See this, this, and this for examples. Sorry if I've made any format errors; I don't use the talk pages much. 68.178.24.34 10:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I could not find any sources either. Under WP:V and WP:BOLP we can't allow such a claim unless it is sourced. Danski14 19:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead? 

message: Can we ban the Moron, I just had to clean up the discussion thread too...
*Tough to ban an anonymous IP, unfortunately.  The mods don't like to do it unless it's really serious.  --Cholmes75 17:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Gene and Paul left Wicked Lester to make their new band, KISS was never called Wicked Lester. 24.108.68.4 02:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, according to several direct sources including the box set liner notes and Sex Money Kiss, Gene and Paul were still thinking of the band that would soon be KISS as a new lineup of Wicked Lester when they auditioned Peter and Ace. It wasn't until Ace joined that the name KISS was decided upon. Gene's statements in particular have been contradictory and inconsistent about this, though. wikipediatrix 02:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely.  There was no one left in Wicked Lester to fire by that point anyway.  When Criss joined, WL was a trio.   --cholmes75 14:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No wicked Lester!

message: All four solo albums are listed as KISS albums on their website. They are also listed as KISS albums on allmusic.com. And according to the rather comprehensive book The Kiss Album Focus, the albums all counted against KISS's contract with Casablanca Records. In the future, I ask that you bring things like this up BEFORE making changes. --cholmes75 16:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1978 album is a KISS album 

message: The trivia section has been marked as Uncited since November.  Since no one else has made an effort to source the info, I am removing the section.  Any information of a trivia-like nature that is re-added will be erased if a verifiable source is not included.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing trivia 

message: Why was this delted? He has stated in various interviews that he has a German grandfather, he wrote a song called Cherokee Boogie (instrumental) as a tribute to his Cherokee heritage. I'm not sure which side of his family is German and which is Cherokee but there is no dispute in the matter it is fact. It's something most KISS fans know about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.8.228.37 (talk) 04:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ace Frehley is a German-American and proud of it, like he has said in many interviews, also in Germany. It is strange, German descent is having a hard time at Wikipedia, if Indian, Jewish or African, heritage is always added, but, like Elvis Presley, if German is involved, everything is deleted, because "source is not serious" or whatever. Very strange ... why this anti-German discrimination??? By the way, Peter Criss (Criscuola), Vinnie Vincent (Cusano), and the late Eric Carr (Carravello) are Italian-Americans, Paul Stanley (Stan Eisen) and Gene Simmons (Chaim Witz) are Jews. I'm sure, THAT is not deleted within THEIR articles! --Hyperboreer 21:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  German-American + Cherokee Heritage. 

message: I'm not sure why, but a celebrity who has a fan forum shouldn't the link be allowed on the page if it is a valid website?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.181.254 (talk) 10:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fansites, forums and blogs are a violation of Wikipedia's External links policy and repeated addition of spam links will result in a block. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 10:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is fanspam on the Johnny Cash pages then feel free to remove it. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 11:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ace Frehley Community 

message: Ace, as well as the other original KISS members, did voices for the Family Guy episode "A Very Special Family Guy Freakin' Christmas" back in 2001. This fact is only mentioned on Gene's entry. It should be added to the other members' entries. Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0576913/ 71.205.1.189 (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Guy Voice Appearance 

message: His infobox lists bass as one of his instruments.  How many instances are there where he actualy played bass?  Unless anyone has a reasonable argument to keep it I will remove it. -J04n (talk) 00:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia, Ace plays bass on Rocket Ride and his 1978 solo album. Relrel (talk) 17:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are these two instances significant enough to warrent a mention in the infobox? I vote no. -J04n (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right, nobody thinks of Ace as being a bassist. When it comes to instruments, he is only known for his guitar work. On the other hand, for instance the Gene Simmons article states that he plays bass, guitar, piano, drums etc. so for the sake of consistency, maybe Ace should have a bass mentioning, or the other articles should be changed as well. Relrel (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: HOWEVER, in a Goldmine interview, Peter Criss states that Ace played bass on many songs of the KISS album catalogue. "...you wouldn't believe how many songs Ace played bass on" - apparently because of Gene's (at that time, anyway) self-admitted limitations as a player. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As my grandmother used to say, two wrongs do not a right make.  The Simmons page should be changed. -J04n (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't have a cite for it on hand, but Ace confirms he is playing bass on "Parasite" from Hotter Than Hell  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.1.164 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bass? 

message: Ace's lasers were dropped on account of an accident at a Blue Oyster Cult show?  Thats just an famous rumor:  http://www.staticmultimedia.com/music/features/feature_1175445718  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.91.254.98 (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Blinded at a concert? 

message: I revised this paragraph slightly.  It was cited but the cite points to a web site which is partially dead.  (Some pages are there, most aren't.)
Although Frehley was no longer a legal member of Kiss as of March 1983 (he was replaced by Vinnie Vincent for the start of the Creatures of the Night tour in December 1982), he retained a one-quarter share in the Kiss partnership until 1985.  Wanting to avoid any potential legal or monetary entanglements, Frehley did not actively begin his solo career until he was out of the partnership; he did however receive one-quarter of the profits for both Lick It Up and Animalize although he had no involvement on either record.
It is unclear what the distinction between being a "legal member of Kiss" and being a shareholder in the "Kiss partnership" is.  Also, he "did not actively begin his solo career until he was out of the partnership" but in the next paragraph he puts his new band together in 1984, a year before he is out of the partnership.  Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slightly baffling section revised 

message: The hoax of Ace To Space is apparently two guys with a myspace account. Their wishful thinking started in 2008, which is only one year ago, not ten. They initially set up a web page also, but that is already out of business and has been scooped up by the drop-catchers Their whole hoax is laughable. They are not with NASA. They are not with VH1. NASA doesn't know anything about it. Ace Frehley doesn't know anything about it. VH1 doesn't know anything about it. There is no reliable source for this information. The link given for this hoax (bravewords.com) is not a reliable source. On these hoaxter's MySpace page, they clearly say, "...Ace to Space Team, is (not) directly affiliated with Ace Frehley, his management or his public relations firm..."  Joe Hepperle (talk) 13:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ace To Space Hoax 

message: This just came to mind when I was working on the list of hair bands. Shouldn't the group have an article of their own instead of being a redirect? They have an Allmusic bio, did a few albums, and were certainly notable. RG (talk) 01:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree.  The rest of the group were pretty forgettable - it is thru Ace Frehley that this band is known. HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frehley's Comet 

message: In the section about Frehley's Comet, bass player John Regan is mentioned and a hyper link is posted, however this link does not lead to the correct John Regan.  There is no incorrect information about John Regan, the bass player, referenced in this article.  However, to link this to a rapper from Baltimore, MD is clearly not correct.
65.41.42.49 (talk) 19:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks for pointing that out, no article yet exists for the correct Regan. I changed the link J04n(talk page) 19:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperlink to John Regan 

message: Simmons' book alone can be used as a source for Ace's alcoholic issues that poisoned his final years with the group.  There was a YouTube video posted of Ace in severe alcoholic disrepair at one of his club concerts from a few years ago, at which he had to be lead off the stage by a roadie as he was falling down. HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP aside, this article does not go into Frehley's well-known substance abuse problems 

message: There are two things in this article that are a bit confusing.  In the black and white photo showing KISS with Bill Aucoin and Neil Bogart, there is also a woman identified as "Joyce".  Who is Joyce and what is her relationship to anyone else in the photo?  Second, under "Guest Appearances" is the following entry: "Black Light Messiah – August 12, 2008 Jam Pain Society. Frehley played lead guitar on the song The Ride."  The first part makes absolutely no sense at all.  Can anyone clarify either of these things?  Elsquared (talk) 02:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Joyce is Neil Bogarts wife. So she's kinda important to KISS!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: She was co-manager of KISS for the majority of their career. 98.67.1.164 (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two confusing things........ 

message: "The guitar virtuoso plays with a unique 'wailing' sound that is hailed to have influenced many other guitarists to start learning the proper usage of the vibrato on the guitar."
Is that really objecti9ve language befitting Wikipedia? I enjoy KISS and Ace's work as much anyone - I wouldn't be reading the article if not, but parts of this article looks as if they are written by a teenage acolyte... it doesn't do Ace justice if he can't be described objectively. Stub Mandrel (talk) 17:44, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, describing Frehley as a 'virtuoso' is a laff.  He did some nice stuff - BASIC stuff - on their albums here and there, but c'mon! 98.67.186.108 (talk) 05:12, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Actually, Frehley didn't have 'proper vibrato' (see Paul Kossoff or Tony Iommi on how it's done) - he would shake his whole arm.  Now, did it produce a good sound? - well, sure - and it was fun to watch in-concert.  But as far as any guitar teacher would be concerned, it was decidedly amateurish.  Btw, Kossoff showed Clapton his vibrato technique when they were on tour double-billed - and lo and behold, there was EC doing a fantastic vibrato-laden solo on "Deserted Cities of the Heart" on the WHEELS OF FIRE album within a few months of their meeting.  Frehley couldn't play like that, and has never demonstrated on record anything approaching the vibrato technique of guitarists like Iommi, Clapton, Kossoff, Kuakonen, Trower, Blackmore - the list goes on.  That comment in the article truly was pure fan-boy. HammerFilmFan (talk) 06:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hero Worship 

message: This info is completely new to me, including all the names: 
One of Frehley's earliest bands where his considerable talents were displayed was The Outrage, who consisted of his brother Charles, Peter Broemel, John D'Alesio, and Len Guglielmo. The Outrage was a short-lived local Bronx band who practiced out of Grace Lutheran and played in local venues.
Googling "Peter Broemel the outrage" returns sites with malware!
Googling "Ace Frehley Charles Frehley Peter Broemel John D'Alesio Len Guglielmo" bring up VERY strange results. Nonsense sentences. What kinda craziness is this?
--Mc peko (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Outrage band is probably vandalism EDIT: IT'S REAL. 

message: Substituted at 06:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Can somebody PLEASE put up a different picture of Ace? it's a really dark picture, he looks unhealthy and overweight, it's outdated. 
can somebody else get a recent picture of Ace on here? He's going to be 11 years sober now and he's lost weight and looks way healthier now, anything between 2015-2017 is great.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Searched, no suitable free image in the usual places. --AntiCompositeNumber (Ring me) 11:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get a new picture for the SpaceAce 

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message: He's 'stepping down' - says he's not a kid anymore, etc., etc.  I would have thought the Kissphrenics would have been all over this in the article by now? 50.111.58.135 (talk) 19:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  retirement announcement