Talk:Queen of the Night aria

message: The singer Kelis uses a sample of the stacatto part from Der Hölle Rache in her song "Like You". Does anyone know which singer she sampled? John Holly 19:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kelis

message: Where's Erika Miklosa from the list of sopranoes who have sung the aria? She have sung it at the Met, so in my opinion she deserves her name to be here. TehLunatic (talk) 17:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I removed her name earlier.  My opinion is that this list could get extremely long (and extremely boring for our readers) if everyone just put in their favorites.  A reasonable criterion for inclusion, I think, is whether the Wikipedia has an article to link to, and there is none for Miklosa.  Maybe you could find some reference sources and write one...  Sincerely, Opus33 (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for the fast answer. I wanted to make a userpage for her, but i haven't had time yet ( learning, always learning...) But in the summer I'll make one for her, thats for sure. I'll write here if i will have finished, so she can be put back on her well-deserved place.Kind Regards, TehLunatic (talk) 18:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks.  Opus33 (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erika Miklosa 

message: The 2 samples given are not the best available (perhaps a © problem?). Worse, when trying to pause or stop them before the end, they continue whatever you do, even closing the page, so you have no way else than waiting the end or restarting the whole computer. I tried to rewrite the section using standard "Listen" instructions instead of the 3 "multi-listen" ones (start, item, end) that seem discontinued, but the flaw remained, while it doesn't hit the "Accordion chords" example in Template:Listen. So the flaw may be inside the 2 files ("Der Hoelle Rache.ogg" and "Die Holle Rache.ogg"). Thx to anyone who could fix this...
Michel Merlin (talk) 13:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I the only one who thinks that the article would survive if we remove the second media file (Die Holle Rache.ogg)? While the performance deserves appreciation, I'm not sure it is necessary to demonstrate it here, provided we have an orchestrated version right above it. Note also that the conversion to OGG deteriorated it to a major extent.Iorsh (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Media

message: This list is getting longer and longer.  
It seems to me that any modern soprano who has the right range and is eminent enough to have her own WP article would be very, very likely to have performed this aria -- it's just super-familiar in the world of opera.  For this reason, the list is pretty uninformative, and therefore uninteresting -- one might as well just visit Category:Sopranos.  For this reason, I propose to remove this section, unless a lot of people complain.  Thanks for listening, Opus33 (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of sopranos who have sung the aria

message: I just want to know if the term "menacingly grandiose" in this article is really necessary.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.154.17 (talk) 07:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "The aria" section

message: The second example is very painful to listen to.  I gather it is probably performed by Florence Foster Jenkins to contrast with the 1st, well-sung one, but, it does not do justice to this "menacingly beautiful" aria.  Is there any opposition to have it removed? --DoSiDo (talk) 01:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: "Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen", commonly abbreviated "Der Hölle Rache", is often referred to as "The Queen of the Night [sic] Aria", ...
So, the most common name is "The Queen of the Night's Aria".  The next most common reference is "Der Hölle Rache".  The full incipit is the least known of all.  Thoughts?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  09:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No thoughts here; there are redirects for many variations (except for "The Queen of the Night's Aria"), so I don't think finding the article should be a problem. The NMA score (No. 14) lists the aria as "Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen", so the current title can't be all that wrong. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No thoughts here either; I'm happy to follow NMA.  For what it's worth:  in discussions of poetry, untitled poems are sometimes referred to by their first line ("Euclid alone has looked on Beauty bare.").  This increases identifiability.  So I feel that what we have is the most encyclopedic title, and the redirects would be the best way to help people find it. I just added in The Queen of the Night's Aria as a redirect. Opus33 (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: We're piling up links to YouTube versions right now, and I'd like to bring up an issue involving these versions.
It is probable that every one of these You Tube postings violates the copyright of the recording company that made and sold the recording in the first place.  While I doubt that we are ourselves violating copyright by linking to these postings, nevertheless I feel there is a certain sleaziness in doing it.  
My personal preference is to take down all links to copyright-violating material in this article.  Would any other editor object?  Thanks, Opus33 (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now followed up on this and located the official WP policy, here.  It seems that we are not supposed to be linking to sites that themselves violate copyright, so I will now take down the YouTube links.  Opus33 (talk) 00:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: YouTube and copyright

message: Seems to me like enough of a statement about the aria to include it here as well: the aria is considered exemplary or representative enough to send to meet hypothetical intelligent life in space... Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much dislike the indiscriminate lists of links of trivial connections in these articles, but placing this aria on the Voyager Golden Record seems to me worthy to be mentioned. BTW, the recording can be heard here:  -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm opposed but hardly enough to squabble about it.  Feel free to reinstall.  Opus33 (talk) 16:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voyager 

message: "Hell's Vengeance Boils in my Heart" is an incorrect English translation and should read: "Hell's Revenge seethes in my Heart" as the verb Kochen - to cook, is used in German to  mean cook/boil as well as express growing anger, and in this case the Queen is not preparing food but is livid that Sarastro kidnapped Pamina. Also Rachen should be revenge as revenge is a clearer word with less subtlety and nuance.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:8980:a3b8:214:22ff:fe60:6d9d (talk) 20:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the English verb "boil" covers the same meaning as the German "kochen", both in the "cooking" and the "seething" meaning. As for German "Rache": I think "hell's vengeance" is more idiomatic than "hell's revenge", but only just. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Title Translation