Talk:Petroleum jelly

message: I marked this section as unverified because it has no sources at all. I also marked it as potentially nonfactual because of the vagueness and clumsiness of the wording. It almost seems like a greenwash of sorts. Toroxus (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's unnecessarily pejorative. "Greenwash" means "a false or misleading picture of environmental friendliness used to conceal or obscure damaging activities." Being overcautious is one thing; being intentionally misleading for the purpose of deception is another. Let's try to stay more objective, shall we? – AndyFielding (talk) 04:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Green" Section 

message: The opening paragraph of the article states that petroleum jelly is "an topic ointment"?  Is that really correct, or is it "a topical ointment" or at least "a topic ointment"? Eli lilly 01:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An topic ointment? 

message: I forgot to log in when I made the edit, but I removed the reference to use on brass instrument valves. This is inaccurate; brass instrument valves have very tight clearances and must move very quickly, so they use thin distilled oils rather than heavy, viscous greases like petroleum jelly. It is possible to use petroleum jelly as a grease for tuning slides; however, I understand it may be more likely to corrode the brass or travel through the instrument and gum up the valves than dedicated slide greases. I don't know how well it does or doesn't work as a cork grease for larger woodwind instruments, so I left that statement.
--Magnificat 16:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical instrument uses 

message: * I support the merger. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Carbolated petroleum jelly]] 

message: All petroleum jelly brands are not Vaselin. It was strange to find Vasline the brand standing in for the whole petrlium jelly category. Please, separate Vaseline. - Aditya Kabir 09:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A brand or a category? 

message: Kids with skin problems read this article. If someone wants to read about anal sex, they can go to that entry.
Comment: Shouldn't we at least mention it? it doesnt need to be specific. Im not trying to sound perverted, but this is an encyclopedia.--Scabloo 02:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored some deleted text, which did not include anything remotely graphic (unless you consider a mention of condoms graphic).  Woofmaster, your strategy is exactly the opposite of wikipedia policy: see WP:CENSOR.  bikeable (talk) 05:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly, we definitely shouldn't censor.WacoJacko 07:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was being sarcastic, but apparently wasn't extreme enough.  :) Woofmaster (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably would have been more obvious with "Facts are less important than protecting our children" or something similar. 206.53.24.182 21:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The line item I most recently removed appeared to me to be for salacious intent rather than informative.  Unless we're going to mention every conceivable use for petrolatum we shoul leave out the intentionally crude.  This is censorship... Wikipedia should censor the ridiculous!    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.59.95 (talk) 06:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  In my part of the world(Scandinavia, EU), petrolium jelly(called vaseline here) is almost synonymous with anal sex. I believe it's similar in whole Northern Europe. Historically, vaseline has always been strongly connected to homosexuality in culture and remains so, even though it has been superseeded by a number of personal lubricants among gays. Yes it's repulsive but you cannot discuss vaseline without including its most infamous use! 87.59.125.144 (talk) 21:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   Petroleum jelly or Vaseline should not be used as a personal lubricant with a condom. Petroleum jelly will break down the latex in a condom. Also there are better alternatives that are more easily removed from the body. Vaseline could cause infections as it can hold bacteria on the private areas of the body due to the difficulty or removal.https://www.healthline.com/health/vaseline-as-lube#1 RedHead1972 (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's leave out the graphic sex details, ok?

message: What is the relationship between petroleum jelly and mineral oil?  Mineral oil is described in the wiki as "liquid petrolatum" and a by-product of the gasoline-making process, but I'd like to know how the two substances are related -- is one "refined" into the other, or is a substance added to one to make the other?  Also, both substances have similar uses (on the skin, etc.) and I'm wondering which is more useful in which circumstances.  --Hapax 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petroleum jelly vs. mineral oil? 

message: I'm removing it & putting in Vaseline (brand) in its place.
In the UK when a product's name, that has copyright and/or trademark protection , and when this "name" passes into the vernacular (becomes the common label attached to the product), the courts will not (or at least, are very reluctant) to prosecute the "misuse" of the name (I am not certain of this). Other examples are "nylon", "hoover", "cellophane", "neoprene"
This pragmatic approach of the judiciary will be enhanced by not "capitalizing" the first letter. 
http://invention.smithsonian.org/centerpieces/whole_cloth/u7sf/u7materials/nylondrama.html Ecstatist (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This shouldn't be in Category: Unilever brands 

message: In giving advice not to use petroleum in the nose, the article cited (reference #2) is a case report of a person who received petroleum-based dressings to an open wound in the chest.  There is nothing in it about nasal use of petroleum causing lipoid pneumonia, and there are very few of these reported in the literature - and mainly in people with impaired cough reflexes.  Making a blanket recommendation for such a rare complication may be a little aggressive.  
Anyhow, here's a better reference for the aforementioned albeit rare complication: LinksBrown AC, Slocum PC, Putthoff SL, Wallace WE, Foresman BH. Exogenous lipoid pneumonia due to nasal application of petroleum jelly.Chest. 1994 Mar;105(3):968-9.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.231.71.2 (talk) 19:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nasal use of petroleum and lipoid pneumonia 

message: Please reference the sentence about effects of ciliary motility in the nose or remove the sentence.  There are no references on Medline to support that statement.192.231.71.2 (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ciliary motility 

message: Why do people add really trivial information that it is used in song lyrics or mentioned it on a talk show.
Pointless trivia should be removed.
Riveira2 (talk) 08:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: We state: "The raw material for petroleum jelly was discovered in 1859 in Titusville, Pennsylvania, United States, on some of the country's first oil rigs".
Titusville PA is an entirely land locked city.  I'm not sure if the rig was somehow in the middle of a small lake or not, but "rig" applies to water apparatus only and are not general drilling terms.  Tgm1024 (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An "oil rig" refers to the machine and related equipment.  While a rig or rigging referred to boats centuries ago, it has taken on many additional uses, including anything bound up with ropes or other gear. The term "oil rig" was used early in the industry's history, and it is correct here. See also the Wictionary definition of "Oil Rig". Bwagstaff (talk) 05:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discovered on "oil rigs"? 

message: Since hydrophilic petrolatum is also available, how come petrolatum be hydrophobic? Any data on this would be greatly appreciated. --Enigma (talk) 04:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hydrophilic petrolatum 

message: I ask this question because my doctor actually just instructed me to apply it to my nose for frequent nosebleeds (from dryness), but the "Nasal congestion or dryness" section seems contradict this. Is there a source stating it shouldn't be used in the nose? Paulish (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there as citation for "improper uses"? 

message: One thing that I don't think has been mentioned in the article, is the use of petroleum jelly on the terminals of lead-acid (car's and the like) batteries to keep out moisture and prevent corrosion.Trumpy (talk) 14:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another common use 

message: The first statement in the "Uses" section:
"Chesebrough originally promoted Vaseline primarily as an ointment for scrapes, burns, and cuts, but physicians have shown that Vaseline has no medicinal effect nor any effect on the blistering process, nor is it absorbed by the skin. Vaseline’s effectiveness in accelerating wound healing stems from its sealing effect on cuts and burns, which inhibits germs from getting into the wound and keeps the injured area supple by preventing the skin's moisture from evaporating"
Seems inconsistent with this research: 
Thoughts?
(Sentients (talk) 00:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I understood from that article is that they used acetone to remove the skin's natural moisture barrier, then applied vaseline over the skin, and watched how the skin recovered.  It was feared that, by trapping moisture, the vaseline would somehow retard the recovery of the natural barrier.  What they found is that vaseline actually helped a bit in this regard.  So it does not contradict the statement above. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I believe the above is why many people use on there tattoo's when healing?!  Is that correct??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.34.36.159 (talk) 13:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skin absorption 

message: There are common claims that PJ should not be used as anal lubricant.  This article confirms one of the claims, that PJ will break down latex, making it incompatible with condoms and other safe sex techs.  This is not always a practical concern.  Another claim which can be found repeated thousands of times by (often self-described) sex expert columnists is that PJ "traps bacteria".  Well, it probably does.  But, so what?  This article does not mention any such risk, and I cannot find anything remotely like a primary source that mentions it.  Can anyone provide one? Kjhdfkgh (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Traps bacteria" 

message: Page says "melting-point usually within a few degrees of 75°C (167°F)".
That is too high. various MSDS list it as 36-60°C, on par with paraffin wax.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.151.39 (talk) 15:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melting point too high 

message: The label says to call poison control if you swallow it, but isn't it widely known for its non-toxicity? If it wasn't safe to swallow I'd hate to think what would happen if it was applied to open wounds, which it obviously doesn't harm.
: There are many substances that are dangerous but not toxic. It is better to be cautious and call poison control if there is any concern. Eating a small amount of the stuff would likely have no effect, as it is commonly found in an enormous variety of products. Looking it up on one Poison Control web site, they suggest that large doses pose a choking hazard in small children if it covers their windpipe and has potential breathing issues if it aspirated; for a large volume it may trigger vomiting (triggering the windpipe and aspiration concerns on its way out) or diarrhea; if the child can swallow easily and breathe easily and has no other symptoms it will likely only cause a soft stool if eaten. Bwagstaff (talk) 06:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxic? 

message: Do I even need to explain how ludicrous it is to imply that an ointment could 'trap heat' on burned skin? This is real life, not Rurouni Kenshin. The heat from a burn is on the stove or wherever you left it, not in your skin somehow. Skin is the same temperature as the surrounding air, give or take, but even fully trapping your body heat wouldn't make a difference on a burn, or you'd scald yourself with your own blood.
* Seconded. Let's remove that statement. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * I have not removed the statement because it has a ref to the British medical Journal (which I cnnot access), and I could not find any authoritative ref disputing the claim. I have found however plenty of statements about "sealing the heat in" in non-technical sites, several of them obviously bunk.  I agree that blood circulation should rapidly bring the temperature of the skin down to body temperature, faster than the time it takes to find the jelly pot and open it. Moreover, rubbing the part with room-temperature jelly should cool it faster than leaving it exposed to air (but less rapidly than washing with cold water).  Stuff for MythBusters, perhaps? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that "trapping heat", if it indeed comes from a medical reference, is not talking about the heat that caused the burn, but the body heat. The usual advice to hold burned skin under water for fifteen minutes would imply imo that it's important to cool the skin down below body temperature. Damaged cells leak chemicals like free radicals that are likely to cause further damage to other cells. The body's immune system and inflammation response may aggravate the situation (maybe a bit like secondary brain injury). Lowering the temperature slows down the rate at which chemical reactions proceed ( approx. halving it every 10°C, see Chemical_reaction_rate#Temperature_dependence). Skin exposed to the air will be cooler than skin covered with petroleum jelly, which may be the reason it's not advisable. Ssscienccce (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a citation for the swimmer's warmth claim made?--Kevin111216 (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traps heat? 

message: Why does Aquaphor redirect here?   Aquaphor is NOT petroleum jelly.   --74.179.122.10 (talk) 06:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The main ingredient of Aquaphor is petroleum jelly. See . Falcon8765 (TALK) 07:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aquaphor? 

message: What?  Is it too much to ask for this phrase to be given in plain English?  I don't think I've ever come across such a pretentious phrase as "obtaining physical purchase".
Now I come to think of it, it's such rubbish that I'll change it now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.16.81 (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  To prevent the inhabitants from obtaining physical purchase 

message: It seems it isn't the PJ itself it's impurities. It seems to have started with this: http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/704786/PETROLATUM/ scroll down to find the impurities part, then go to here: http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/726345/PAHS/ . The information is thin but there are references on both pages. The problem is that anything made with PJ is suffering big downturns because "PJ causes cancer" has appeared all over the net. Sensationalism, alternate products taking advantage, and no reference checking as usual. Apparently, if it's pharmaceutical grade PJ it's fine. jayoval (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy around petroleum jelly and cancer 

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message: Please add its use as an https://www.google.com/search?q=vaseline+ant+barrier . Jidanni (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ant barrier 

message: There is no information about how petroleum jelly is made, yet the patent from the original Vaseline dates back to the 19th century so it must be public by now, and there are probably other sources of information.
Chimel31 (talk) 09:16, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production process 

message: it's not clear whether the comment about UV protection refers to ordinary petroleum jelly or to the RedVetPet mentioned in the previous sentence. 84.71.45.82 (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  medical use section