Talk:Melting pot

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" In terms of immigrants to the United States, the "melting pot" process has been equated with Americanization, that is, cultural assimilation and acculturation. The "melting pot" metaphor implies both a melting of cultures and intermarriage of ethnicities, yet cultural assimilation or acculturation can also occur without intermarriage. Thus African-Americans are fully culturally integrated into American culture and institutions. Yet more than a century after the abolition of slavery, intermarriage between African-Americans and other ethnicities is much less common than between different white ethnicities, or between white and Asian ethnicities. Intermarriage between whites and non-whites, and especially African-Americans, was a taboo in the United States for a long time, and was illegal in many US states (see anti-miscegenation laws) until 1967.[13]" Who wrote this stuff? Why is this section specifically about African Americans, segregation and 'miscegenation'? 83.84.100.133 (talk) 02:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segregationist Excuses 

message: Currently, assimilation points to melting pot and assimilate is a separate article on the Borg. I think there should be an article named "assimilation" with "assimilate" and "melting pot" pointing to it. The article on the borg could be its own article. Maybe "assimilation (star trek)" ?
In a broad sense, to assimilate means: "to render similar" "to bring to resemblance or conformity".
Assimilation has various meanings too. We can speak of 1) the assimilation of an individual through voluntary immigration or 2) the assimilation of an entire people  by another one, typically in a position of power and numerical superiority. We can speak of cultural assimilation and linguistic assimilation. We can also speak of a person assimilating new knowledge or the conversion of nutriment into the fluid or solid substance of the body, by the processes of digestion and absorption.
There is a lot to develop. 
Any objection to this move? Mathieugp 03:30, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirecting assimilation to melting pot is really a silly thing to do. Assimilation absolutely needs a disambiguation page because there are also assimilation (biology) and assimilation (linguistics). Or have they already been taken care of? <KF> 11:27, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this suggestion. I thought it was odd when a link from assimilation took me to melting pot. Took me a moment to understand why.Bkonrad 13:22, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, so if I recap, we would have an assimilation disambiguation page with a definition and links to assimilation (biology), assimilation (linguistics), assimilation (sociology), assimilation (star trek) ? Mathieugp 15:01, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: I think the link to assimilation (sociology) can point to this article, e.g., assimilation (sociology). Bkonrad 16:51, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge into assimilate

message: I know the term "melting pot" is associated with the U.S., but nowadays it has applications in every developed society.  That being the case, I just made some edits and made the article less America-specific.
you shouldnt say that it is clearly american and nothing else.
Why assume that America is the "ideal republic". A lot of people would disagree with that assessment.JohnC (talk) 05:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less Americanized 

message: I'm for immigration and acceptance of new comers wish to be americans. but I dont like pluralism or multi-culti liberals who racialize or divide us for their gain. It's against what I stand for. I'm a 45 years old white man born and raised in the USA. America had to get a melting pot to accept and merge all of its different people into not one race but one nation. The United States of America. I won't put up with p-c crowd insane pleed not to asimilate asians or latinos, cause they lose the right to have a religion, culture or language. So? We have freedom of religion for starters, millions of peeple in america live like their ancestors did, but call themselves americans first and foremost. Enuogh of this tossed salad or meltin' pot talk. Or a pizza or sub sandwich talk. We come in colors, shapes or sizes anyway. Not all americans are alike. We focus on similarity and what makes us americans not the p-c weapon to hate, divide or discriminate. That's why I'm not for affirmative action, the use of the race for job hiring or college admission is odious and a product of the 60s when the law had to step in to stop discrimination. Now what it stands for the majority of people, white americans, is they get left out or not hired. Why a latino or asian, on their way to be american, are said 'people of color'? I'm sure they look different, from other lands, don't speak english, and this hocky dory stuff on need to integrate into american society. Then why throw away the united common majority culture in favor of a silly, messy, doomed to fail, multicultureism? Look we are americans not white people or black people or brown people, and lets not get into whos asian american or arab american or native american anymore. the article said how we never overdo the irish american, italian american or polish american thing. we only can accept so many people, & dont let the left make race or culture an issue. this is whats wrong with illegal imigration or culture tolerance. we need borders as much we need workers. we need to band together, in a melting pot or not. - signed, open-minded conservative
:The US has never had one single unified culture. I can go to any of the 50 states and fully expect cultural differences. If anything, there has been increased cultural homogenization taking place, with local culture supplanted by generic corporate culture. Why is it that people get upset about Cinco de Mayo, but have no problem with Saint Patrick's Day or a Sons of Norway Parade? We can focus on both similarity and differences. People have the right to live their lives as they see fit. Forcing people to "assimilate" raises problems - assimilate to what? Should the people of Georgia be assimilated to ne just like the people of Wisconsin? Should the people of Wisconsin be assimilated to ne just like the people of Georgia?--RLent (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, why is this first paragraph still here & for more than 10 years? I assume the second, indented paragraph is someone's response. In any event, I thought the purpose of the talk page was not to editorialize or discuss politics, yet that's exactly what it does. The purpose of talk pages, I thought was to work on improving the main article - criticism, corrections, additions, suggestions, etc. Ileanadu (talk) 23:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americanize not divide 

message: I don't want to put this up for article creation yet, but it seems like 'assimiliationist' could be its own article from here, and a passing mention could be made from melting pot.  Maybe one of the disambiguation pages from assimilation covers this point, but seems to me there's a lot to be said on the topic, especially the links to affirmative action and such.  Or maybe the links just need to be made a bit clearer...? Archtemplar 05:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assimilationists

message: I have removed the lyrics, as they are a copyright violation, and replaced them with a link to the lyrics. --BRIAN0918 18:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics are Copyright violation

message: This article implies that for a long time Canada was a melting pot and is just recently adopting multiculturalism.  This is vastly untrue.  Canada, as I see it, has been supporting multiculturalism for far longer than this.  And to be lumped together with the policies of Britain and Australia?  How absurd!
:☭ Zippanova 09:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada previously a melting pot? 

message: I propose we add a "Mexico" section to this article, given that Mexico has been considered a melting pot by many, including the famous Jose Vasconcelos, in which he explicitly considers Mexico to be the melting pot of the world, where Mexicans have genetic origins that can be traced back to all parts of the world (like Amerindians, Spanish settlers, Filipino laborers, African slaves, and immigrants like Lebanese, Chinese, Italian, French, etc.). In any given case I consider the United States to be a salad bowl because most Americans are not mixed race, as opposed to most Mexicans who are. The races have been kept seperate in the U.S., while they have mostly merged in Mexico. So PLEASE, someone any suggestions? If not, then I'll add it myself (sourced, of course).--Fernirm (talk) 03:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  MEXICO 

message: This section has no secondary sourcing on which to support it's inclusion in the article.  Unless some secondary sources can be produced which indicate this is an important topic as it relates to Melting pot it is wp:undue.  I'll remove the section in due course if robust sourcing cannot be provided. aprock (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll be removing this presently. aprock (talk) 21:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Increasing segregation section 

message: I see no evidence that the term 'melting pot' is used in Afghanistan. The fact that different ethnic groups may be mixing has nothing to do with the term itself. Unless someone can come up with a citation for Afghans using the precise term, I'm taking down the section. 
MarkinBoston (talk) 01:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan 

message: People, I believe that a perfect example of a melting por of cultures has been left out
and gone entirely unmentioned; Argentina was and is the second largest case
in america after the us, being 97% of its population descendant from foreign migrants,
as it recieved some 6 million migrants between the years 1870-1914,
being its previous population no more than 200.000 people,
thus making it (alltough in lesser quantity) the biggest american melting point by percentage.
Consequently I think it should figure on the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariano Menéndez (talk • contribs) 00:15, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina 

message: The subsections under "Melting pot and cultural pluralism" need references.108.207.39.39 (talk) 23:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Melting pot]] 

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message: The "United States" section says:
"Thus African-Americans are fully culturally integrated into American culture and institutions."
From what I've experienced in my life, I'd argue that African-Americans are almost fully culturally /separated/ from American culture and institutions.  That's why they develop their own culture, own "laws," and own music and then scream about cultural appropriation.  So, at a minimum, the quoted sentence from the "United States" section should have some type of citation, or at least an explanation of what is meant by "fully culturally integrated," when they are so apart and isolated from the rest of the nation.
I'd also argue that "intermarriage of ethnicities" doesn't apply to the "melting pot" metaphor as is normally taught in the U.S. school system.  This should probably have citations to back up that claim too, i.e., "melting pot" is as taught is purely cultural, not inter-racial.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.0.181 (talk) 00:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are "African-Americans are fully culturally integrated into American culture and institutions"? 

message: I stubbed an article on this term, used in academic works, but it seems very closely related to the "melting pot" term, which is better known. I wonder if they are synonymous and ca article (stub...) should just be merged&redirected here? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural amalgamation]] 

message: Disagreeing with a remark above, it's not true that all countries are melting pots. Every country has immigrants, but some have lots and others only a few. Some countries welcome immigrants, at least sometimes, but most don't want them. More than any other country, the United States has celebrated immigration, and at least some people at some times saw and still see the diversity of the immigrants, including descendants of black slaves, as a source of national strength and something to be proud of. The United States is the ethnic and cultural melting pot.
To say that Colombia or Argentina or Chile are melting pots because they are made up of diverse ethnic groups is missing the point. No country in Latin America celebrates or honors its natives as an ethnic group. Nowhere do they have the recognition, the legal protections, or the economic strength (casinos, in some cases) that they do in tbe U.S. Nowhere else celebrates its minority of African origin like the United States does. I know Brazil well and it's no exception.
What I'm getting at, is that "melting pot" pertains to the U.S., and only the U.S. deisenbe (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The status of Native Americans is mostly OUTSIDE the melting pot. They are protected in many ways that keep them separate (eg reservations, separate schools, separate medical services, casinos, special protection for historic religious holy places). Furthermore US every so often (eg 1790s. 1850s, 1920s, and today in 2020s) goes through an anti-immigrant anti-melting pot mode. We are in it today.  Canada is a rather better metling pot than USA. Rjensen Rjensen (talk) 04:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is someone proposing an edit? WP:NOTAFORUM MartinezMD (talk) 12:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The United States celebrates immigration like no other country