Talk:The Dark Tower (series)/Archive 1

message: Does anyone know what is the difference between the High Speech and the Low Speech?  I'm slightly confused.
Elix
I think High Speech is like elvish, where the Low Speech is like English
:No, in the second book it says that the High speech resembles English, although letters are dfferent. The language differences are not used, like everyone can understand each other, except from some words.
Where do you base that elvisch speech on? - Redmess
High Speech seems to be a cultured version of English with many loanwords from unknown languages (perhaps Amerindian languages). Low Speech is probably a low-class High Speech with a smaller syntax. The rex
Low and High speech are like english in that they are presumely "Germanic Languages", although technically not because "Germanic Languages" don't exist in All-world, but that's spliting hairs.  The language difference is used once in the Keystone world when Roland speaks with Calvin Tower about selling the lot, but it is not used often. 01:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The High Speech 

message: Has anyone looked at that section?
If so, is it supposed to be that confusing?
-->I've found the whole entry to be confusing...I think it needs some major overhauling altogether.  It's confusing for me, and I've read the books (many times).  How do you think someone not familiar with the series encounters this entry?  You want a good example of what this page should look like?  Check out Nineteen Eighty-Four or The Lord of the Rings. --Drew First 17:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology - Song of Susannah 

message: I offered a deletion request for Jack Mort a while back. Somebody made it redirect today, but the old data wasn't directly pasted in, and I don't think it should be lost, so I am putting it here for somebody else to maybe verify all the data is in the article. -- RevRagnarok 02:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack Mort isn't Walter. When Jake is pushed under the car and dies and appears in Mid-World, he mistakes the "man in black" (Walter) for the man (Jack Mort) who killed him because they have a superficial resemblance. Roland later kills Jack Mort by forcing him under a subway train. Walter (aka Randall Flagg) is killed in the last book by Mordred. (He faked the leftover bones from the long palaver in the first book.) There was, however, something about Walter possessing Mort to push Jake, but basically Mort is a different guy from Walter. Foday 08:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Mort 

message: The way I read it, there were two "keystone" worlds (another twinner thing, do ya), what could be considered "our" world, and Roland's world ("Whereas the tower is represented by a rose on some worlds, an immortal tiger on others...Here it is itself, the Tower"-Fake Stephen King).  I seem to remember Susanna mentioning something to this extent as well.  Can anyone verify or care to correct?
:You are certainly correct, there are two keystone worlds as you describe. The quote you give however is not the relevant quote, but I'm pretty sure the correct one can be found in one of the last books. (5 or 6). -- Redmess -- 4-2-2006
::There are two keystone worlds, but King leaves it to the reader's imagination if ours is real or "fake" like Eddie's orginal world. Actually, ours might be "fake" as there is no Holmes dental company or Tet corporation. Foday 08:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keystone world(s) 

message: I seem to recall a description of Jamie DeCurry stating that he had a large birthmark that covered part of his face.  I can't remember, though, where I saw that or who mentioned it.  Anyone remember the source for that?
Drew First 16:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jamie DeCurry 

message: I moved the glossary to The_Dark_Tower_%28series%29/Glossary. It does not belong in the article, but possibly in conjuncted articles. — [Mac Davis] (talk)
:Until it finds a better home... — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 13:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Glossary

message: I'm deleting this. Yes, Little Sisters in in there, but it's not one of the seven main books. Ellissound 
:Technically speaking, the yet to be released comic book series shouldn't be on the list of books in TDT series either.Ruthfulbarbarity 22:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. I'm removing it.--Ellissound 02:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We could make a branch-off article with books that are linked to the series. - Redmess 14:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Books in the Series: Everything's Eventual

message: The article states that "Guardians were based on novels like Shardik (for the bear)" I'm sure that Eddie said in wastelands that it was named after the evil rabbit in watership down, not the novel (see, stupid question) --Tower Junkie 13:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have my copy with me today, but I think Eddie mentions Watership Down because Shardik was written by the same author. Looking at the wiki entry for Watership Down, I'm not spotting any evil rabbits named Shardik there. Deafgeek 08:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Deafgeek is right; the evil rabbit in Watership Down was General Woundwort. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shardik certainly has resemblence with those rabbits. I cant find the page where Eddie says this though, does anyone know? - Redmess 15:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupid Question 

message: I was very frustrated when I read the ending of the last novel.  I think I actually cast the book aside with a disgusted harumph.  My usual ritual upon ending a Stephen King book is to flip back to the first page and read it again.  I never read DT7 a second time.  But in the years since I HAVE read it, I have come to terms with the ending:  it's not as if King didn't give us enough hints all the way through (KA is a WHEEL, he kept saying).
If you can accept the ending as King's tribute to the very American-Ray Bradbury style, it's not as angering.
rjhenryRjhenry 07:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frustrating Ending 

message: For Wolves, King added the "19" at the start of the book and also the "Re-something" subtitle, and went back and added them to the previous volumes too. What are all the subtitles?
: http://www.thedarktower.net/wiki/Main/Subtitles –Pomte 14:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "re-" subtitles 

message: If you ask me, the music section is overwhelming in its size (combined with the graphics, especially). Do we really need a track listing?
:No. If the album is notable enough for its own article, it would have a track listing there. The excessive quotes should be cut down as well. –Pomte 21:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what are we doing here? We deleted the entire section? I dont remember it being excessive, but having images would be unnecessary. I still think a small section should be worked on though, to at least show that this is a very popular text. (Cablebfg 19:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Much on Music?

message: I would like to know which books of the series were revised and re-edited, and when. --200.70.145.219 03:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He only revised the Gunslinger, and that occured around the time Wolves of the Calla came out.--CyberGhostface 13:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revised editions 

message: shouldn't the dialect of the Calla have a spot on this article? Blu elph44 00:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am working on the Calla's own page.  I can add a section on language in there when I have a chance. Leafschik1967 (talk) 01:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Calla Speak

message: Due to the large number of references to our world (ie. books, songs, movies, etc.) throughout the story I think it would be interesting to create a list of all of them. Would this deserve its own page? Should it be done at all? Blackngold29 (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A List of References to Our World? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Thedarktower7.jpg

message: Carrie is specifically referenced in Song of Susannah (particularly as King's first published novel)it is therefore referenced, at least by title. Shouldn't it be included in the section about references to King's other works?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DirtySocks85 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not referenced by title, but it is refered to, when John Cullum says he didn't see the film adaptation (of Carrie) because it looked too bloody. Not referenced by name. Later in the series, when Dinky Earnshaw is having a fit, he says to Jake "you don't know what it's like to be Carrie at the prom" or something like that. Easily a reference to the protagonist, and also used by name. You can add it, if you want. --MwNNrules (talk) 23:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carrie? 

message: See the Tortuous (Poem) Could someone please give me that direct "Quote" from Roland? 
                             Thank You,
                                 Frank...
joeealand@yahoo.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.223.177 (talk) 02:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poem 

message: Shouldn't the Stand pretty much have a connection in everyone of the Dark Tower books? Cause the Man in black (Randall Flagg) is mentioned in every book. 71.7.106.244 (talk) 23:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Stand connection 

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thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

message: does aney one know whean the film adaption is going to be relesed Sckay 21:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, and probably not for a long time, since there's barely any news on it. Here's King's earlier response. –Pomte 01:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And it's almost two years later from this original post and there is still very little news about it. Abrams has even said that there has still not been any work on it and probably won't be until after Lost in finished in 2011. Danleary25 (talk) 01:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  film adaption date 

message: ... But "Childe Roland" isn't an epic.  I changed it to just say "poem."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.252.254.128 (talk) 07:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quibbling point 

message: I was thinking of an overview article, writing a few rows of each book of the series, the connected short story, the comic books, in chronological order. To give those less fanatic a good base. Is that a good idea? Quispiam (talk) 08:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A good idea if you can tackle it. It doesn't have to be a separate article, just a section here. Jmj713 (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview article

message: I agree with the article's list of inspirations for the series but I was surprised to see that "The Waste Land" by T.S. Eliot was not included. The poem has a strong influence on plot, environment and characters of "The Dark Tower" and it is even quoted and directly referenced throughout the series. Although I am a longtime Wikipedia reader, I'm just starting to contribute so I do not want to make any changes to the article itself but I'd like to see what other people think about this.
Enigma1375 07:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should Marvel Comics' Doctor Doom not be included in the list, perhaps under "Books" or "Other"? As I recall, the character is mentioned specifically in Wolves of the Calla as a visual inspiration for the Wolves, alongside the Harry Potter series and Star Wars. 91.111.95.14 (talk) 00:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspirations for the series 

message: Can we get some citation for the connections section, because I've read some of the works mentioned as being connected, and can't see where the links are. Where are The Eyes of the Dragon and The Gunslinger cross-referenced? Couldn't we just list all the works which are connected with reasons, and could we cite them? If we list it like this,
It- (list reason)
The Eyes of the Dragon- (list reason)
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
where we only mention a book once, and give reasons, we could save a lot of redundancy. The current one is much less helpful, and kind of confusing. --MwNNrules (talk) 23:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think 'It' was meant to be Dandelo, the emotion vampire thingy. 115.166.35.75 (talk) 04:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections section 

message: In my opinion this section looks more like a general Demons & Wizards description and should be cut, some sentences could entirely be deleted:
"Schaffer writes the music and Kürsch writes the lyrics.
The band's first full-length release was in 2000, with the self-titled album Demons & Wizards."
Other sentences seem to be just copied from a Demons & Wizards description:
"Most of the songs of the album have some relation to The Dark Tower, a series of books by Stephen King."
That doesn´t fit in the article at all, you are reading an article about the Dark Tower series, so you will probably know what it is and who wrote it by the time you reach this section.
Song descriptions: Some of them don´t fit in either. The alleged relations to The Dark Tower in the songs "Beneath These Waves", "Dorian" and "Lunar Lament" don´t seem very convincing, especially because no sources are cited. 
Also, Hansi Kürsch is sometimes referenced to simply as "Hansi", that sounds unprofessional, after all Mr. King isn´t being mentioned as "Stevie" in the article either.
Sorry for my english, but I felt that I had to point out these things. 84.113.163.112 (talk) 11:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy Metal Influences/Demons & Wizards 

message: Is it too early to create a separate article for the prospective film?  Is there enough anticipation for the adaptation to warrant a page already, considering that the news has been reported by three sources, including King himself announcing that he found people he trusted to translate the story? —Tonyfuchs1019 22:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that there is enough information available yet - is it even known if it will be a film or a television series?  Title?  Plot? --Mus Musculus 12:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The short-article in EW #923 said "film franchise," with Lindelof mentioned as prime suspect for the screenplay.  The same article also said, however, that DT wouldn't be Abrams and Co.'s next project, and there seems to be no indication as to when the production might get rolling. —Tonyfuchs1019 14:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say hold out until there is more substantial information than "prime suspects" and whose project it isn't. –Pomte 22:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: why? why? why? dammit! Why make a movie of every book that gets any attention, The dark tower is too good to be made into a movie.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.108.73.47 (talk) 09:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Soon though: http://www.stephenking.com/promo/dark_tower_film_and_tv/news_tracker/dark_tower_pr1.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.172.136 (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Film Adaptation

message: I and everyone I know that's read the series thought that the story quality diminished with time in spite of awards going only to the later novels. Shouldn't the article mention that, or are we in the minority?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.136.242 (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: No Criticism Section?

message: The first paragraph says that there are 7 books in the series, but there are 8. The eighth book was released in February 2012. Alanasings (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eight books in the series 

message: While not exactly making a connection to any characters or plot, the film adaptation of 'The Shining' is mentioned in The Drawing of the Three. I was wondering if that constitutes a legitimate tie in in the section on it. --DirtySocks85 05:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I laughed when I read that. I like it when authors reference themselves. As far as I tie-in goes, it is a reference to something in our world, to me that is enough for a tie-in.Blackngold29 (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'The Shining' tie in 

message: Please add references here.
1) In Command & Conquer 3: Kane Edition, Act V on the Nod side, Kane says: "there are 19 of these towers and they are portals to other worlds", note the bold words - a DT fan is sure to notice that something here is odd, 19 is the infamous number used abundantly in the DT series, the tower in the DT series is also a sort of link between worlds, and the world described in the dark tower is a post apocalyptic world that can be something after the command and conquer wars. Just a thought...  Eladkatz (talk) 12:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting, although unless you know the reference is an intentional reference, it could just be a coincidence and thus original research.--CyberGhostface (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refferences to and from other works of fiction 

message: Right now there are 5 sentences in the lead about the past plans for the film that didn't get made. Would it be alright to cut these? It looks like most of the same information can be found in the "2017 film" section of the page, and all of it can be found in the film's own article. As it stands, I don't know if cancelled plans for the film are important enough to be in the lead section, especially since this is the article about the book series. All that's really relevant now is that there is one film that is going to be made in 2017. Also, some of the information about the older plans could be misleading (ex. making it seem like Russell Crowe or Javier Bardem might still play Roland). GranChi (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead