Talk:Dragon (band)

message: Having just joined the debate about nationality of band members going on at the AC/DC discussion page I thought I'd come back to this issue on the Dragon page. The original Dragon line up were all New Zealand national's. Dragon went to Australia because that's what many Kiwi bands and artists choose to do. They need to make a name somewhere else other than NZ to make a living e.g. move to the Australia/UK - find a bigger market, bigger population, build a presence. This process continues today e.g. Gin or Ladyhawk. Australian artists and bands travel to the UK and the States for the same reason. I never hear Americans claiming these people as being 'American'. In fact Americans seem to delight in recognising the place of birth/origin of their imports. Australians are not silly either. They know that Dragon back in the 70's were a kiwi band. They embraced them along with many other kiwi artists at that time who made the trip across the Tasman. We still get excited over here when New Zealanders - individuals artists/bands make it big in Australia or elsewhere. We chuckle when we hear that NZers are claimed as Australian. What your ARIA folk or the hard core 'Australian' music executives and local fans choose to recognise in respect of country of birth/origin is often very clearly agenda driven. For many Kiwi classic bands that moved to Australia such a Dragon, time has eroded the facts as well as memories - particulary for the pre internet generation. 
Australians hitting these 'rock' discussion pages are really encouraged to acknowledge and live with the place of birth not being Australia or that the country of origin for some really great bands was more often New Zealand than Australia - these are all discoverable facts. Not even the artists themselves can change these facts regardless of what their passport now says. Most of the original AC/DC members were British by birth and thier line up today remains British. Dragon was an established kiwi band as were others like Split Enz -  well before moving to Australia. So celebrate the artists and then get anxious about the country of birth/origin not being Australia. Wikipedia really need to be more consistent in these debates by publishing the place of birth for each band member as well as city/country of origin. Sitting on the fence on this debate on sites such as AC/DC is not helpful. Yet Wikipedia entries are easily changed for bands such as Dragon to New Zealand/Australian. Using the Dragon entry as an example to illustrate inconsistent treatment by Wikipedia - AC/DC should now be changed from Australian to be shown as British/Australian.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiltedscottishkiwigrant (talk • contribs) 23:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: The Lead of the article formerly stated that Dragon are a New Zealand / Australian band. It now shows that they are a NZ band. I intend changing this back to NZ / Oz: I believe it better reflects their actual status.
My reasons include:
# Whilst they formed in NZ in November 1972, since mid-1975 Dragon has been based in Sydney Australia. Subsequently band members have been from NZ, Oz, UK, & USA.
#In 1977 they were described as "Australia's number one band" (see Dragon's Official website).
#They achieved their first notable successes in Australia under record producer Peter Dawkins.e.g. "April Sun in Cuba" was their first chart appearance on NZ singles charts in 1978. "This Time" had charted in Oz in 1976.
#Most recent version reformed in 2006 in Sydney.
#I'n NOT claiming they are an Oz band, just that the Oz part is significant enough to be in the Lead alongside the NZ part.
For the above reasons, I am changing the Lead back to NZ / Oz.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems that the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) agree with the above: Dragon are due to be inducted into ARIA Hall of Fame on 1 July 2008. Since one of the criteria is about members being Australian they must be at least NZ /Oz! See Lead of current article for refs.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NZ or NZ / Oz Band?

message: In line with their ARIA Hall of Fame induction later in 2008, I intend trying to get this article up to B-class. I will be starting with re-writing the Lead and then reorganising the sections and sub-sections a bit more. I will attempt to supply verifiable refs and keep a NPOV tone.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at getting this article up to B-class. It could be further improved by a good photo, more discussion of their impact on other groups and better information on NZ chart positions.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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