Talk:Criticism of Marxism

message: There was no discussion or consensus to add this image in the first place and just because it wasn't reverted it doesn't mean it makes sense to have it. This page seems to concern general (classical) Marxist (not Marxist–Leninist) criticisms as a theory, not practice; there's already Criticism of communist party rule for that. Furthermore, not everyone actually agree that Marxism–Leninism is Marxist or even Leninist but rather an ideology ideated by Stalin to justify his own policies and which most Communist leaders followed. To me, it just seems to be a "scare" image which ignores all Marxist criticisms of these states not only as soon as the Bolsheviks took power but even before they did that; and placing Marxism–Leninism as the one true Marxism and that Marxism–Leninism is necessarily Marxism in practice. There's no need to add that image; one can freely criticise Marxism for "suppression of individual rights" even in theory (the anarchists did that first), without resorting to a reductio ad Stalinum.--95.245.199.21 (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For the extraordinary claim that Marxism–Leninism is not true Marxism, you will really need to put reliable sources on the table. Note that the burden to back this claim is on you, not on everyone else. --MarioGom (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   It was just an hyperbole. Either way, I thought this page was about classical Marxism criticisms and Criticism of communist party rule about Marxism–Leninism in practice. That image is used to conflate Marxism–Leninism with Marxism as a whole; all I'm asking is not to conflate communism and Marxism as a whole with Marxism–Leninism, which is just one variant of both.  Are there also any more notable counter-criticisms or responses to add in the article?--95.245.199.21 (talk) 23:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. In this case, the Suppression of individual rights is hardly due weight, and it is poorly sourced by the way. I agree it belongs primarily to Criticism of communist party rule. --MarioGom (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   Then what do you believe should be done about it and the image too? What's even the scope of the article? Does it refer only to criticisms of Marxism pilosophically (as theory) such as described in classical or orthodox Marxism pages, or politically (in practice) such as in Marxism–Leninism? Because if it's a general criticism of Marxism as a whole, then there should also be left communist and libertarian Marxist criticism of Marxism–Leninism and viceversa. I propose this to be criticism of classical Marxism (as in theory, philosophically) and Criticism of communist party rule to be criticism as practiced by Marxism–Leninism (as in practice, politically).--95.245.199.21 (talk) 00:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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message: Ok,
but it does not mean you should rephrase in a way that facts would not be facts.(KIENGIR (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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