Talk:Alphons

message: I don't understand why the title of the page is Alfonso (the name in Italian and Spanish), when within the heading it is said that Alphonso is the spelling of the name in English. Shouldn't we move the title to the English name?--RR' 09:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphonso / Alfonso

message: Alfonso is not portuguese. Portuguese translation is Afonso (one f). I understand that is problaby more correct for English Wikipedia to put Alphonso or Alfonso, but, as a portuguese, I find that somewhat strange. Is like calling King John Charles to El Rey Juan Carlos de Espana. Perhaps I should substitute every Alfonso... Opinions? Muriel Gottrop
You are quite right. There has never been an "L" in the Portuguese variant of the surname. However, it has been spelled "Affonso" and "Afonco" on occasion. This style went mostly out of use from about the early 19th century although I suppose it would be possible to find someone somewhere using that more archaic form today. 
The tradition in Portugal is to associate the Afonso surname with the illegitimate royal line beginning with Count Henry of Burgundy, father of the first Portuguese king, in the 11th century. Henry's illegitimate son was named Afonso. His legitimate heir was Afonso Henriques (Afonso, son of Henry) who became the first of the Burgundian dynasty that established Portugal as an independent and sovereign nation nearly 350 years before a united Spain in 1492.
Most subsequent rulers of Portugal until the late middle ages reserved "Afonso" for the identity of a natural child who, although of paternal royal blood, could not assume the throne. The Burgundian dynasty was followed by the Avis and then the Braganza dynasties, but in most instances, the surname "Afonso" was reserved for and adopted by illegitimate lines as a means to track them. Their social status ranged from the highest level of noble to commoner. Today, the surname Afonso is relatively rare and it is diffused throughout the country, suggesting multiple origins.
Grandcross 03:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Afonso

message: Hello peolple! Please don't think I'm trying to place in this one dab page all the people named Alfonso, Alfons, Afonso, Affonso, Alphonse, Alphons, Alphonso, Alphonzo, Hildefuns, Ildefonso or Ildephonsus (plus all the variants). This is a preliminary step to build up different disambiguation pages for all those names, connecting the pages between them. Do you agree? Hope so. Cheers! The Ogre 20:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! But I've changed my mind. I now think it should all stay in the same dab page. What do you think? The Ogre 04:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion and Dab

message: Adefons might easily be a corruption of Adelfons, but it turns out the earliest records of the name do not have the -l-.
Förstemann makes a point of recording both forms as valid names and saying that they cannot reasonably be kept apart. It is also not clear what the element ath is supposed to mean, but it is well recorded. 
It may itself be a conflation of various prefixes, including hath and also a shortened athal.
Förstemann also says that Adefons was the name of a 6th-century Visigothic king (but no such king figures in our list), and of course this makes perfect sense if the name reappears as the name of Iberian royalty 200 years later. But then it should be treated as Gothic in form.
--dab (𒁳) 17:18, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Adefons