Talk:Anglo-Scottish border

message: The current railway picture is of a time when the border sign was partially broken, i.e. missing the Thistle. Here is a picture of the Border Sign repaired or undamaged, can someone replace the current one with it?
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/04/28/69/4286947_fb5bf88f.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.94.198 (talk) 15:43, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Usage

message: "Although it had long been the de facto border, it was legally established in 1237" – from memory, Cumbria was part of Alba / Scotland in the 11th century, and it was a deal in the 12th century that set the present border. The eastern part of the boundary was set earlier, 10th century? I'm rather pressed with other projects just now, but it would be good if someone more knowledgeable about history could put some dates on it, and perhaps mention the earlier Brittonic / Pictish border. All the best, .. dave souza, talk 11:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Long been the de facto border?

message: Can we use the term "traditional counties" please? The names are still very much in use. Few people would describe themselves as coming from "Grampian" or "Strathclyde", and few people in Banff associate with Aberdeenshire. The only people who use the new terms are the penpushers. There is also strong resistance to the term "Cumbria" in some quarters. --MacRusgail 18:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Former counties"

message: Mais Oui, i bet you will not reply as this is technique of you many times.
Anglo is offensive word and many times not good, i also proposed on my edit so you could read that i will discuss reason on yoru talkpage - you have ignored this (bet you say i never seen this) and said i gave no reason, remember GOOD FAITH policy and stop reverting on site.
Please discuss in future and not just revert, shows many ignorance on your part. Thanks. YESYESandmanygoals 14:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglo to English

message: Is anybody in a position to take a photo of a "Welcome to England" road sign, à la :File:Border Scotland.jpg? It would be nice to have images of both signs, rather than just the one. Bradley0110 (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Whilst I cannot contribute to the request, I wonder if anyone has an image of the new (and more colourful) "Welcome to Scotland" signs that have popped up in recent times. Macarism (Talk to me) 09:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corresponding image? 

message: I am placing two links: (/Archive 1#Merge and Talk:Scottish Marches#Merge into Anglo-Scottish border) into this section, so that if anyone in the future wishes to discuss the name and format of this page they can find and read the previous discussions on these topics. -- PBS (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old merge and rename discussions 

message: See the Wiki page on the Treaty of York for the facts about the treaty. It did not, as claimed here, (and in lots of other places too) establish the Anglo-Scottish border.
By the terms of the treaty the King of the Scots got 'given' or rather was 'granted' (to be held as a feudal subject of the English King, his brother-in-law ) a huge swathe of nothern England and its English inhabitants, an England whose borders back then ran up to the Firth of Forth, including, not least, Edinburgh. This feudal grant of land was personal to the Scots king in exchange for his fealty, it was not a gift to the Kingdom of the Scots. In other words the lands involved clearly remained part of England and the border did not change.
But it seems the Scots just never handed the land back! 
The long term consequences however were profound, since from then on 'Scotland' which had previously been the Highland-based Gaelic-speaking Kingdom of the Scots became ethnically, linguistically and culturally a second or parallel 'English'or least Anglo-Saxon Kingdom - one with an ever declining and irrelevent Gaelic 'Scots' component still located in the Highlands. 
The Gaelic word sassenach by the way means 'saxon' and originally meant the Anglo-saxons or English of the kingdom of Bernicia, people who ever since the 6th century had inhabited (and in effect still do inhabit) what are now the Scottish lowlands (prev part of Northumberland i.e England).
(In fact I'll change the main text to read 'it is often said, incorrectly, that...')  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.8.105 (talk) 10:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treaty of York did NOT Establish the border. 

message: This section of a sentence is unclearly expressed in a number of repects: "the continuing border situation would be dealt with first by reviving the old laws, and then repeatedly continuing them for various periods of time", why "first"? Did they do something second, etc.? What "old laws"? What is meant by "reviving" them; had they been repealed and were then reinstituted, were they always there but hadn't neeeded to be applied for some time? What is intended by "repeatedly continuing"? Applying them several times? Adding new laws repeatedly? Why "for various periods of time"? At various points? Were they implemented then repealed then passed and implemented again? Is something else intended? Mutt Lunker (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for having a go at rewording this but the sentence is still not as clear or clearly phrased as it might be. I'll take a guess at what is intended and make the suggested rephrasing from "Following the Restoration and indeed until the late 1750s, the on-going border situation would be dealt with first by reviving the old laws, and then by continuing them with eleven other acts, for periods ranging from five to eleven years." to "Following the Restoration, on-going border lawlessnes was dealt with by reviving former legislation, renewed continually in eleven subsequent acts, for periods ranging from five to eleven years, up until the late 1750s." Does that reflect the facts? Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, reasonably reflective.   Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 06:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear sentence 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. I will create the redirect. Dekimasuよ! 09:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Anglo-Scottish border →  – Per England–Wales border. Unreal7 (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken, but on that basis we have a clear winner - "Scottish border". Look at this one. Tammbeck (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but that would be POV, since it's also the English border. Most of those references will originate in England, where it's not necessary to specify that you're talking about the border with England, just as most references to "English border" will originate in Scotland or Wales. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
From the vicinity of The Cheviot southwestwards to Kielder, the border follows the watershed save for a diversion southeastward at Coquethead and a more substantial one involving the headwaters of the Scaup Burn SE of Wauchope Forest. I wonder if any editor has knowledge of the reason behind those curious diversions and, if of sufficient interest, can a referenced account be given in the article?  thanks Geopersona (talk) 16:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 November 2019 

message: While there's nothing necessarily offensive or incorrect about using 'Anglo' in lieu of 'English' (or British), I'm not really sure what the point is here in using a far more vague, dubious term which can often have a broader meaning in this context when we're clearly talking about something specifically English/England.
Seems needlessly confusing, perhaps not to native English-speakers, but certainly so to others. 
The England-Wales border has been renamed to such, I see absolutely no reason why the England-Scotland border shouldn't be given the same treatment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.131.41 (talk) 23:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to England-Scotland Border 

message: I propose replacing the current image (Image 1, of the border on the A1 road) with Image 2, of the border on the East Coast railway.
* Support Image 2, as proposer.Tammbecktalk 21:46, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to change lead image