Talk:Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

message: the membership section's key is incorrect. the colors are wrong
NotPedanticReally (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: membership section of the article

message: The map (actually globe) depicting the SCO countries shows Arunachal Pradesh with a closed boundary because it is claimed by China. However, similar Indian claims on Chinese and Pakistani territory have not been shown. Please correct this. 
Junoon53 (talk) 20:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Map is not NPOV

message: This sentence is unclear. (it's from the history section):
In July 2005, after the war in Afghanistan and Iraq saw a semi-permanent troop presence of U.S. forces in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, the SCO meeting at its summit in Astana, Kazakhstan, urged them to set a timetable for withdrawing their troops from member states.
I am guessing that it is supposed to mean:
In July 2005, after the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan saw a semi-permanent troop presence of U.S. forces in in their countries. At the SCO summit metting in Astana, Kazakhstan, urged the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawing their troops from member states.
It's not much better but it makes the unamed "them" clear. CambridgeBayWeather 07:45, 7 September 2005 
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:: Troop presence is usually based on a contract, which can have limitations, timewise or otherwise. I am not familiar with all of that but read of Kyrgystan that they decided they would not extend the contract, and so the US airbase near Bishkek was dismantled. Different countries would have had different contracts.
:: I have read elsewhere that the SCO founder members first got together in 1990, after the Soviet Union had collapsed, to make agreements between all these countries to end border disputes. If somebody can verify and build this in, I think that would be good because it demonstrates this is an organisation that has grown, not artificially cobbled together. 58.174.193.29 (talk) 05:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: I would like to see more information about this sentence: "...this aim is frustrated by the artificial nationalism of the five main ex-soviet Central Asian states." Sounds hostile and/or biased and needs clarification.
I wanted to seek clarification of the term 'artificial nationalism', but it seems to have vanished, which is good because it is judgemental and therefore close to propaganda. It should stay in this section though, because it is interesting that such a term was ever coined. 144.136.192.15 (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right. My take would be that it is a translation from .... It may not be judgemental because it would (in my view) mean that 'someone' came along and whipped up national feelings, so one part of a nationalism was 'artificial', disappearing as soon as the whipper had gone home. It has been said that some US Congress members have whipped up nationalism that led to the Ukrainian Orange Revolution. I have always wondered how these people had orange posters and balloons, t-shirts, caps etc all on the same day. Someone must have coordinated the colour and the ordering a few weeks in advance. Ukrainians did not just turn up on that square and suddenly everyone bought that merchandise, or did they? I had thought they were demonstrating because they were so poor and suddenly they participated in a merchandise supported revolution.... 121.209.53.9 (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role and Organization section 

message: The SCO is not a military organization and they have gone out of their way to stress this. This said it is a security organization, which is not exactly military, but linked to military applications. The SCO however has a clause where military cooperation is promoted in fighting, seperatists, extremistis, and terrorists. 69.196.164.190
::: The word 'security' is these days very often used in the Anglo press to mean 'military' and related to all things military. This must come from the fact that in the new arms race the population can be told to accept austerity for security, but not necessarily for the military. If military would be used, people would ask 'who is our enemy?'. There is a bit of language massaging about; e.g. when Washington speaks of 'our interests', does this mean military, business, human, environmental? They don't explain, but we all know it's military/global corporations'business. 2001:8003:A048:1300:A529:4AFC:DB3:2B94 (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a military organization?  Are you kidding?  Sure, they say it's not, but c'mon.  It's coming from countries that always mention wanting "peace" with their neighbors and all of that horse crap.  I'll agree it's not a primarily military organization like NATO...but it is a military organization. 68.18.25.136 (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  What makes you think a collapsed Democratic Russia would sided with a economically reformed China when Soviets couldn't even trust Mao? It has political aims possibly to hedge against US hegemony, but it's not a military alliance in the sense of Warsaw Pact. It shouldn't even been mentioned on the same level or plane as Warsaw pact.Phead128 (talk) 04:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

text:  Let's not get carried away here. US bases are not for free, Japan pays for Okinawa, Germany for their bases - no idea about the others. Correction, negotiations have been mentioned in the Australian press about paying for the Marines in Darwin. Maybe, just maybe, Uzbeks did not want to pay any more, or more, or maybe it had been for free and now they were supposed to pay. I hate it, when people discuss topics without giving price tags and who is to pay. 144.136.192.15 (talk) 03:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am sorry, but the SCO is not a military organization 

message: Does anyone know where I can find the list of organizations banned by the SCO as terrorist organizations? I have looked and looked and I cannot find the list. KazakhPol 00:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SCO terror list

message: Does anyone know if there have been suggestions that Turkmenistan should/will join? --Dpr 19:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkmenistan

message: Can we get a map, like :Image:Map of NATO countries.png? I can't seem to find the base world map, or I'd do it. Vert et Noirtalk 08:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: bbcamerica,  bbc, has, this morning [05:00-06:00], Pacific time, referred to it as military, as well as "peace mission 2007", "Peace Mission 2007".
Thank You.
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75.80.255.85 12:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[bbcamerica]],  [[bbc]]: 

message: < http://google.as/search?q=%22peace+mission+2007%22+%22shanghai+cooperation+organization%22+%22shanghai+cooperation+organisation%22+%22%22 >:
"peace mission 2007" "shanghai cooperation organization" "shanghai cooperation organisation" "". (0.34 seconds).  
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message: I noticed that a few SCO maps have been changed to not show Taiwan as "disputed" (including the map on this page). Is this sticking with NPOV, or are people fine with it? Otebig 05:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment Unless the SCO regards Taiwan as 'disputed' then it is not up to WP editors, IMO, to make that call. If the SCO includes Taiwan as part of the PRC, then so be it. That my 2к --Russavia 08:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Taiwan in SCO Map

message: The combined GDP PPP is about 12000000000 if anyone is interested in adding that in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.70.88 (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you are mistaken, the combined GDP PPP is about 12000000000000000000000, learn some fact or get out.  Also, sign your comments.  24.222.149.179 (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP for SCO 

message: Did mongolia really express its wish to join the SCO? My sources say the contrary: Mongolia is observer of the SCO since 2004. However, she obstinately resists full membership, in spite of sustained Russian and Chinese pressure - the more the SCO tries to paint itself as a virtual opponent of NATO and the american presence in Asia, the more obstinately. (My translation. Original text: Die Mongolei ist in der SCO seit 2004 mit Beob-achterstatus vertreten. Der Vollmitgliedschaft aber widersetzt sich die Regierung trotz nachhaltigen russischen und chinesischen Drängens umso hart-näckiger, je mehr sich das Bündnis als virtueller Antipode zur NATO und zur amerikanischen Prä-senz in Asien zu profilieren versucht.) From here. 
At a KAS symposium in Berlin, the former Mongolian president Ochirbat as well as the accompanying parlamentarians and security experts made clear that this should include an institutionalized relationship with NATO in the long run, for example in the Partnership for Peace framework. This wish corresponds to the just as openly declared Mongolian dislike to get involved in the SCO - the Russian/Chinese dominated pact with four central asian states - as full member, beyond the current status as  observer. (Original text: Bei einem von der Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung ausgerichteten Symposium in Berlin machten der frühere mongolische Staatspräsident Punsalmaa Ochirbat ebenso wie die Parlamentarier und Sicherheitsexperten in seiner Begleitung deutlich, dass das längerfristig auch eine institutionalisierte Beziehung zur Nato, etwa im Rahmen des Programms Partnerschaft für den Frieden, einschliessen sollte. Dieses Anliegen korrespondiert mit der gleichermassen offen bekundeten Abneigung der Mongolei, sich über den gegenwärtigen Beobachterstatus hinaus als Vollmitglied in das von Russland und China dominierte Bündnis mit vier zentralasiatischen Staaten, die Schanghaier Kooperationsorganisation (SCO), einbinden zu lassen.)From here.
I see some leftist websites allude to Mongolia being eager to join the SCO, but they seem to be writing from their own wishes without taking the Mongolian perspective into account. Anyway, I'd like to see a reliable source. Yaan (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  3 days? more like 24 hours, paratrooped and captured the capital, nothing else of interest anyway... it is obivious why mongolia is freak out. 222.165.72.43 (talk) 12:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I found an additional source in English verifying that Mongolia has been aloof with regards to membership, and have updated the article accordingly. Otebig (talk) 13:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongolia 

message: Hey. I just looked at the Cyrillic transliteration for the Chinese. Besides I don't see the point of having the Chinese in Cyrillic, the letter ц has ts sound. It is currently listed as a z, despite the fact something like a 3 has that sound. Is this correct? Deavenger (talk) 02:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrillic  

message: It should be kept clear Sri Lanka and Belarus are going to be Dialogue Partners (as the citeed source states) and NOT observers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.182.211.178 (talk) 05:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialogue Partners vs Observers 

message: The map was taken from Wiki Commons. It is highly flawed, factually inaccurate and not at wiki standards. It should be removed from the article. A discussion of the map's many errors is in the image file discussion page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7o62x39 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No it shouldn't.  It's a military alliance, let's not kid ourselves here. 68.18.25.136 (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the OP. There is a "soft" military alliance and a "hard" military alliance. SCO is more like a "soft" military alliance. Examples of "hard" military alliances: China and North Korea, US and Israel, US and Japan, etc... I recommend that this image be removed ASAP.Phead128 (talk) 05:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Military Alliance Map Should Be Removed 

message: Observers are not members, and are distinct from nations on some path towards membership. The OAS has 61 observers, NATO has dozens of observers. In fact, the four NATO Contact Countries (Japan, Korea, Australia, and New Zealand) have a status more formally tying them to NATO than the "observers" listed in this idiotic map as part of the SCO. 
By virtue of the EU's sui generis relationship with NATO, the Berlin Agreement, and the EU/ESDP "separable but not separate" relationship with NATO, the NATO/EU relationship of NATO having to decline to act for the EU/ESDP to act and the fact that every non-NATO EU state but Malta sent forces to Afghanistan - were the USA enacted NATO's mutual defense clause - either the Wikipedia article on NATO should include Sweden, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Ireland and Malta (as ESDP de facto NATO members), Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Ukraine and Georgia which are all more than observers being to some degree along the process of joining NATO, along with the four "contact" nations - Japan, Korea, Australia, and New Zealand as NATO members. Australian forces in Kosovo operated under NATO command. Azerbaijan which has aspirations to join NATO sent forces to Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. India, Mongolia and Columbia are sending forces to Afghanistan in 2009 joining 42 other nations with forces deployed in Afghanistan under NATO-ISAF. 
India would sooner join the FPDA or become a contact nation of NATO before they would join the SCO. Turkmenistan will not join the CSTO or SCO as it has major problems with members of both. Mongolia would not join the SCO or CSTO as its security threats are from China and Russia.
Sri Lanka will likely join the SCO as the Chinese are constructing a major naval base there for the purpose of projecting force into the Indian Ocean (which surely does not make India happy). Russia has thwarted Belarus from joining SCO arguing that Belarus is a European state outside of the sphere of SCO (read China). The reality is that the SCO is China's project and the CSTO is Russia's. Any Sino-Russian "alliance" is far more complex than the Atlantic project between North America and Europe.
The CSTO treaty precludes members (Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgystan) from joining other military alliances. The security provision of the SCO is limited to counter-terrorism under RAT. 7o62x39 (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Errors - SCO's Nature, CSTO, Observers, Consistancy with NATO wiki article 

message: Taiwan is considered part of China according to the officiel SCO website : http://www.sectsco.org/EN/China.asp Polylepsis (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Taiwan not disputed

message: This morning the WaPo cited a scholar who said "it generated 'lots of hype but in reality has done nothing,' said Alexander Cooley, a Columbia University scholar who has studied the body. Russia, a member of the Shanghai grouping, initially backed it with gusto but has since cooled on what it considers a vehicle for Chinese ambitions." where can we add this? is it notable? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090707448.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010090305799 207.238.152.3 (talk) 12:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: not done much

message: So, which is it: "skoh" or "shkoo"? — kwami (talk) 09:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an abbreviation. You pronounce it letter by letter. Why would you pronounce it as "skoh"? --2.245.169.139 (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: Syria and Bangladesh should not be highlighted. Doyna Yar (talk) 14:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some states highlighted on map not associated with SCO 

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message: I'm surprised there has been no criticism entered regarding this organization. 
What does this organization provide that isn't supplied by the UN? What is its ultimate intent? 
http://www.cacianalyst.org/publications/analytical-articles/item/13253-uzbekistan-concerned-over-sco-expansion.html
: Every Declaration adopted in SCO summits has contained various critical messages against the unipolar world order, the hegemony of one superpower, or the deployment of anti-missile defense systems – all obviously addressed to the United States. In the 2005 Declaration, the SCO even went as far as demanding from the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawing American military contingents deployed to military bases in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan to serve the operation in Afghanistan.
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replies: text: What does the NATO provide that is not provided by the UN? Your logic is flawed. The UN is too big and too international. What's wrong about neighboring countries having a more manageable and more specific organization. --178.7.46.9 (talk) 18:29, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Among many other things, the organization provides defense from CIA/DoS/MSM/Pentagon working in concert to carry out regime changes and install US puppets under the pretense of "fighting for human rights". Not that the human rights don't matter, they do, but the US govt. sponsored "NGOs" are being very selective and unfair about what country becomes the next "baddie". United Nations can not serve as the protector, since its resolutions, including those of the Security Council, are not being followed (e.g.: the case of Libya, where the SC agreed to a no-fly zone, but never agreed to NATO bombing the government forces, which is what happened). Since talking to US does not work (they won't listen), these countries need combined military/economic/diplomatic/informational means to protect themselves from these "freedom crusades". 46.242.11.1 (talk) 22:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: One of the threats recognized by SCO is separatism? Where is that called out? 
Edit: Fear not, here is the link: http://infoshos.ru/en/?idn=7678
:Fighting three evils
:Priority for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization has always been maintaining and reinforcing peace, ensuring security and stability in the region, first of all, by organizing joint efforts against terrorism, separatism and extremism, or fighting the three evils, as we call it.
No concrete definitions for these three evils, however.
Kortoso (talk) 17:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Cooperation on security

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message: Attention should be paid to this page to avoid promotional and biased language. When I visited this article saw part of content as just promotional mostly from state owned sources and dibious websited what are of course tool for propaganda. Wikipedia is not tool for advocacy or propaganda. It should be reserved for personal blogs.
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message: Is there an official source on how to spell the organisation/organization's name in English? Their website seems to use both interchangeably. Example: Of their two most recent official press releases, one uses Organisation and the other uses Organization. But perhaps there's some more official source for a registered name? --Delirium (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I just saw a photo of the heads of government who attended the recent 2022 summit. On the wall behind them was written [SNIP] SHANGHAI COOPERATION ORGANIZATION [SNIP]. Also, Oxford spelling indicates that that is the expected spelling for such an organization. —⁠71.105.198.28 (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling in English 

message: The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was an observer state of the SCO. Following the recent defeat or the IRA, Afghanistan has a brand new government and is not a member of any international organisation or union. As it can be seen, the article itself uses the IRA flag for Afghanistan, because the IRA, as a government in exile is still an observer of the SCO. That's why I recommend that we change the link to redirect to IRA instead of Afghanistan. Bilikon (talk) 04:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Asian Association and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 21#Asian Association until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  signed, Rosguill talk 17:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Asian Association" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: From what I understand, although the PRC, which claims Taiwan, is a member of the SCO, the ROC, which is the de facto government of Taiwan, is not a member of the SCO. So the territory of Taiwan is de jure part of the SCO (according to the PRC and the vast majority of countries that endorse the One China Policy). At the same time, Ukraine, which claims Crimea, is not a member of the SCO, but Russia, which is the de facto government of Crimea, is a member of the SCO. However, Russia's claims on Crimea are not as widely recognized as China's claims on Taiwan.
Right now, the article has a contradiction, because the first map at the top of the article has Crimea colored in as part of Russia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SCO_MAP_10_July_2015_-_Including_two_new_permanent_members_Pakistan_and_India.png
Yet, the second map does not have Crimea colored in:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shanghai_Cooperation_Organization_(%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_-_%E4%B8%8A%E6%B5%B7%E5%90%88%E4%BD%9C%E7%BB%84%E7%BB%87).png
And neither map has Taiwan colored in. I think most editors would agree that both maps need to be consistent with each other. So I would like people to give their opinions on how both of these maps should be filled in:
* Option 1: Crimea and Taiwan colored
* Option 2: Crimea colored, but not Taiwan
* Option 3: Crimea not colored, but Taiwan colored
* Option 4: Crimea and Taiwan not colored
* Option 5: Crime and Taiwan colored with stripes indicating their disputed statuses
* Option 6: Something else (comment below)
A note on options 1-4:
* Option 1 would be recognizing de facto Russian rule in Crimea, and de jure PRC rule in Taiwan (DF DJ)
* Option 2 would be recognizing de facto Russian rule in Crimea, and de facto ROC rule in Taiwan (DF DF)
* Option 3 would be recognizing de jure Ukrainian rule in Crimea, and de jure PRC rule in Taiwan (DJ DJ)
* Option 4 would be recognizing de jure Ukrainian rule in Crimea, and de facto ROC rule in Taiwan (DJ DF)
I would note that Option 3 has the most support in the international community (most countries recognize Crimea as part of Ukraine, and Taiwan as part of the PRC). Personally, I choose Option 3, as it best represents the international community, but would be okay with Option 5.
Please share your thoughts on this. Thanks. --JasonMacker (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer to adopt :File:SCO Membership Map.svg, that adopted a modified Option 1. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked on the Chinese Wikipedia article on the SCO, and they have given labels to the colors, but have not labeled Taiwan's color on the map. I think that would be okay to use, as long as Taiwan's color is also given a label establishing it as a part of PRC but ruled by ROC. JasonMacker (talk) 21:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

text: My impression is that the concern over consistency here suggests the territorial disputes in Crimea and Taiwan are very similar (or even exactly the same). I disagree. Since you are the one proposing a change, please provide some evidence for why Crimea and Taiwan should be treated similarly (i.e., why this needs to be addressed). Note that Crimea is sovereign territory that was illegally annexed and Taiwan is the seat of a government in exile. These are extremely different situations despite both being territorial disputes. 69.131.84.146 (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwan and Crimea 

message: I have updated the members table and the timeline but I don´t know how to update the graphics world maps, the world globe and the Asia map to show the new Iran status. Please some graphics editor can help.
Other point is the colors for member and observers are very similar green tones, could they be changed for better contrast? 138.4.43.34 (talk) 18:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was did so on zhwiki, but later reverted by , citing that the process are not completed, and should wait for April 2023? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:39, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran becomes a SCO member. 

message: As of the latest update by the SCO, "it's members have signed the memorandum on granting SCO dialogue partner status to Arab republic of Egypt and the state of Quatar. This latest update has been done on 14th September 2022. SCO Secretary-General Zhang Ming, First Deputy Foreign Minister of the Arab Republic of Egypt Hamdi Sanad Loza and State Minister for Foreign Affairs of the State of Qatar Soltan bin Saad Al-Muraikhi signed the documents. 
Deputy Foreign Minister of the Republic of Uzbekistan Furkat Sidikov attended the event on behalf of Uzbekistan.
The memorandums stipulate cooperation in security, countering the illegal production of narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances and their precursors and their sale, as well as such areas of mutual interest as trade, investment, energy and others. 103.199.208.59 (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  SCO granting dialogue memorandum to Egypt and Quatar. 

message: There have been repeat attempts to add Iran. Its full membership is expected after the signing of the memorandum of understanding but is not effective yet. It is good to continue to monitor but no source expects the full membership to become effective earlier than April 2023. Even then, we should wait for confirmation that it has become official. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note for those continuing to add Iran -  that's premature until at least April 2023 

message: Right now, Iran is listed as a "member", an "ascending member", and an "observer state" all at the same time in different parts of the article. Although we're just a few months away from the April 2023 deadline where it seems as though a lot of this inconsistency will become moot, the article should be cleaned up to be ready for a single, consistent categorization of Iran, especially when we will have to describe how Iran became a member in the past tense.
On a separate note, there is a place that are talking in future tense about an event in the past:
During 19–22 October 2022, Iran will host SCOCOEX, an international conference and exhibition on economic cooperation opportunities available to the SCO member states and partners.
If someone already has a report on how this past event went, feel free to share. I couldn't find anything in a quick Google search. Thanks. JasonMacker (talk) 18:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency on Iran 

message: There are many good faith but incorrect efforts to change Iran from observer to full member. 
Its application has been approved and it is expected to accede to full membership in April 2023. But accession has not yet occurred. 
Is one way to address this to place  note in the infobox, with this information? JArthur1984 (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note for Iran in infobox? 

message: Algeria has applied for observer status and the second map in the "members" section is old and doesn't show Algeria as one of the "Interested in partnership" countries Gattor1 (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Algeria has applied, update the 2nd map 

message: Bahrain has been ratified as a dialogue partner so is now officially one.
Date granted July 15, 2023
Sources:
https://www.bna.bh/en/BahraingrantedthestatusofSCOdialoguepartner.aspx?cms=q8FmFJgiscL2fwIzON1%2BDlDCMEcGKMPY4rKOqGpdTL4%3D#:~:text=Shanghai%2C%20July%2015%20(BNA)%3A,People's%20Republic%20of%20China%20Dr.
http://eng.sectsco.org/politics/20230718/951659/The-SCO-signs-a-memorandum-on-granting-the-Kingdom-of-Bahrain-the-status-of-dialogue-partner.html
—- 184.185.243.237 (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Was already added to body of article, but not infobox, so I did that. Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 16:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2023 

message: The caption for the image of the individual leaders of the association says that Vladimir Putin, president of Russia is no longer in office. Jugodellago (talk) 17:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is only the caption when you click to view the file information. Nonetheless, the caption was not a model of clarity either. I've simply deleted to avoid the ambiguity as I do not think the picture adds much to the article. JArthur1984 (talk) 17:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former President Vladimir Putin?