Talk:Bağlama

message: There is nothing in History of Greece about why one might want to hide a musical instrument.  Can someone add some information so that this article isn't such a tease? - Molinari 07:55 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
This is a ridiculous cross-reference. The history of baglamas belongs here. Not on History of Greece or History of music. Here. --Menchi 08:00 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
: Do you know anything of the instrument's history? - Molinari 08:03 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:: No, I just passed by randomly and saw your comment. After checking out that article as is, it shocked me with its very illogical x-ref, so offered my support. Never heard of it. --Menchi 08:39 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Sorry about the goofiness with naming, I'm only familiar with the Turkish bağlama, and Wikipedia is weird about diacritics in titles.
When you order a baglama from a Greek luthier, they ask whether you want the bowl carved or made from staves, it can be either. I did a bit of a re-write of the Greek baglama section, and added a better picture for the Greek baglama. I hope the author of the previous picture is not too offended! The instrument shown is mine, and was made by Karolos Tsakirian. The Real Walrus 08:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, history baglama is basicly based on Central Asian countries, there are many similar instruments like in Kyrgyzyztan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc. Kopuz, dutar, dumbra, tanbur and tar (etc.) are the such insturments which are so similar to baglama. Probably Turks has taken that instrument from chinese people or maybe turkic people invented it earlier. here on the following, there is a site about a uzbek musician: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/awards2005/profile_sevaranazarkhan.shtml - Cem
Since they are such different instruments, maybe there should be separate pages for the Greek baglama and the other kinds? Just a thought, and it needs a more experienced editor than I am... The Real Walrus 10:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This discussion seems less about maintaining the article, and more about Turkish-Greek relations. Please remain mindful of WP:NOTFORUM. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: I was given a Turkish Baglama Saz that has 7 strings. The courses are (from left to right) 2, 2, and 3 strings. I don't think it has the right type of strings. What is the right order and type of strings to make this beautiful instrument sing? Perhaps                a place where to buy them?
Edgardpedia 23:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish Baglama Strings

message: Discussion of the infobox that just showed up is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Instruments. __Just plain Bill (talk) 23:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

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message: Hi! I was just doing a bit of editing to your article, and I was wondering what the units of measurement were (English or metric). Thanks. Ronaldomundo (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I cannot compare my measurements with this table to determine what specific model is in my hand, the table is useless unless you specify the unit. --Rejetto (talk) 13:11, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements 

message: I am against this merge. It is true that "saz" and "baglama" are sometimes used interchangeably in Turkey, but it is also understood that "saz" refers to a larger family of instruments, while baglama is the instrument shown in the picture. The confusion here may be due to the use of the same picture in both articles. It might be a good idea to replace the picture in "saz" with one that is more representative of the "saz" family (although I think the current one is fine unless one finds a picture with more than one instrument in it), while also mentioning the varied use of the word in the different countries/languages mentioned in the article. I think the "saz" article should be longer with references to individual instruments often classified under it (sorry I have no time to do this). Any opinions will be valued. Dburak (talk) 16:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Saz (in Persian ساز) means Musical instrument in Persian language. But I heard Azeri iranians who use Bağlama and just call it Saz. I think Saz as a musical instrument can be Baglama, dotar or Tanbur. In persian language all these instruments are under Tanbur familly! but in Turkish language it is not like this. I found a good article in a Turkish website . Tanbur is thousand year old I thought maybe we should merge Saz with Tanbur article. Mmehdi.g (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: please review Gopuz article too. Mmehdi.g (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I see. In fact, I know some instances which could be understood as the use of "saz" in Turkish as simply meaning "instrument". It is of course logical that a given people will call their main folk instrument "the instrument", and in these cases, "saz" [I am not sure if a similar logic is possible for the Iranian use of Tanbur]. This suggests to me that the only way to make sense of the "saz" article is to mention that it means "instrument", make a reference to the originating language, mention that the word is used synonymously for a different number of instruments in a variety of languages, and include links to the pages of those instruments. That would make it seem like a dictionary article, but it sounds OK to me. It would also make it easier for people looking for a given instrument, baglama or tanbur, by their common naming as "saz". I would be against merging "saz" with "tanbur" for the same reason I am against the current one. I don't understand the reference to the age of Tanbur, as the issue seems irrelevant. Dburak (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a Persian word: sâz "apparatus; (musical) instrument," from sâzidan, sâxtan "to build, make, fashion; to adapt, adjust, be fit" (from Middle Persian. sâxtan, sâz-, Manichean Parthian s'c'dn "to prepare, to form;" Av. sak- "to understand, to mark," sâcaya- (causative) "to teach"). I dont know enough about other languages maybe people think this is a special musical instrument like Baglama. --Mmehdi.g (talk) 14:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

text: All right then. Can I take it that you agree with me on the "saz" article? May be we should make a reference to the "saz" article and edit it accordingly?Dburak (talk) 16:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In persian language it is not a group of instrument. for example saxophone, guitar, piano, .. all of them are Saz, but in persian. I dont know how should this word be in an english encyclopedia because all these meaning are in Persian. If you speak Turkish or Azeri or a central asian language maybe you can help to clarify if it means a special group of instrument in these regions. I don't know if it means like this. plus I'm not goot enough in write an english article. Mmehdi.g (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with saz? 

message: I dont know who wrote about Baglama tuning, and I am not happy abot it has to be Baglama and not Saz it stans for sazlar=muzik
it sounds to poilitical I am sick of turkish devide Turkish.
My main thing is Baglama is tuned from bottom up who invented the top down.
and for a quastion on a page about strings Baglama isnt a banjo but big banjo strings may fit.
Thank You  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.1.75 (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top down tuning? 

message: 1) What units are the given measurements in?  Inches?  Centimeters?  Millimeters?
2) When tunings are given -- for example:  A - D - G -- does that mean the instrument is tuned from lowest pitch to highest pitch in fourths, or it is tuned from lowest pitch to highest pitch in fifths (G-D-A)?  Note that /standard convention/ for stringed instrument tunings always places the -lowest- pitch courses first.
3) When courses are multi-strung in octaves, which strings are tuned to the lower octave, and which to the higher?  Giving tunings in actualy musical staff notation would solve much of this confusion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification Needed 

message: The section on the Bağlama scale contains several obvious errors:
#. The ratios stated don't make mathematical or musical sense - in some cases the numerator is larger than the denominator, in some cases the reverse.
#. The ratios are are missing at the upper end of the range  - not even a complete octave is given, only up to the 7th fret out of 15
#. The ratios for up to the seventh fret imply that "extra" frets (my term i.e. sub-semitone) are between the 7th and 15th frets. This contradicts the cited reference, which clearly shows diagrams of "extra" frets before the 7th
#. The cited reference (to just intonation) contains no information to support the assertion that the fret ratios are based on just intonation
The scale section cannot be supported by references, is obviously inconsistent and should be deleted unless it can be completed and justified. I've looked this up in Grove but there is nothing there to support the just intonation theory. I can't find any other references on the open web suggesting this theory either.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.151.159 (talk) 22:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bağlama scale 

message: This is a cheap attempt to try and cover up the origin of this instrument. The prototypical form of this instrument is still played in Turkey, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan. The above quote is apparently from the website of a Turkish musician and this claim cannot be found on the website. It is also in stark contrast to actual origin of the Baglama as explained in the article (it's a fringe claim). A musician's website is also not a reliable source of information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.135.242 (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments resembling today's bağlama have been found in archaeological excavations of Sumerian and Hittite mounds in Anatolia dating before Common Era, and in ancient Greek works 

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message: This article links the pronunciation  "[sāz]" to the Help:IPA/Persian page. That page does not include a pronunciation for "ā" so it seems like either some other symbol should be used in place of "ā" ("æ"?) or it should link to another page. --Ericjs (talk) 15:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saz pronunciation 

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