Talk:Virginia Pep Band

message: Changed a segment at the end regarding current performances.  Changed from "have perform recently at" to "perform regularly at" based on current activity patterns. 24.125.39.99 00:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A show at the Continental Tire Bowl in 2002, which band members claim had been approved by both the University of Virginia athletic department and the bowl officials, prompted a request for an apology by the governor of West Virginia.
Along the same lines, I'm really unhappy with the clause, "but the neccessily unpredictable nature of student control proved problematic."  What does that mean?  It seems to imply that students changed the show at the last minute, so what was performed was not what was approved.  If that is the case, then we need to say that, rather than intentionally leaving the point vague.  I am guessing that you are/were a member of the band, but you can't word things to make it seem like the band didn't do anything against policy if they, in fact, did.
One more thing - please do not use "UVa" for "University of Virginia", as this type of abbreviation may not be clear to non-American readers.
--Dave Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the AD approved the EXACT show performed, I should know, I was the Pep Band Show Committee Chair at the time and I was the one who had to send the scripts for approval and talk to the AD about changes.  I understand the need for NPOV, and I thank you for helping make the article compliant.  Sometimes it can be difficult to stay neutral in such a charged situation.  
As far as the unpredictability, I was trying to get at the idea that the AD was always plagued by the IDEA that we wouldn't stick to the script.  It never happened to my knowledge (which really only extends to 1999), but Virginia athletics was becoming too important ($$$$$) to risk the liability.  I guess the legend of the Pep Band outgrew the actual students.  Anyway, I'm planning to add more history, including the Revolution of 1993 (the last time the AD tried to replace us with a faculty run band).
Also, since the abbreviation UVa is mentioned in the first line of the University of Virginia article, shouldn't it be OK to use?  Thanks again.
--ElmoHoo 06:20, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: Please don't make me do this again.  It is very important that you do not use language that is sympathetic to either side in a controversy - that is a general Wikipedia rule.  Please see my explanation above.  Also, I have edited out most of the quotes that are unattributable.  If you are going to make statements about what was said, you must include a citation.
I understand many people here have strong feelings about what happened to the Pep Band, but the place for making your arguments is not here on Wikipedia.
Dave 15:53, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
I took a look at your changes, and agree with all of them.  For the record, most of the stuff you changed wasn't mine!  --ElmoHoo 16:31, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and factual edits, May 03 2005 

message: Exactly how firm is the connection between the post-1973 Pep Band and the Lawn Chowder Societies?  Having done a fair amount of informal historical inquiries of my own regarding the band, I have never heard that there was direct descent from these groups.  Are the authors of this article claiming continuity between the Pep Band and all its possible musical predecessors, including the short-lived UVa marching band that lost all its equipment back in the 1940s?  The impression I have from the article is that some kind of musical "apostolic succession" is at work here, and that was never my understanding during my time in the band (1998-2002).  
Someone might want to explain how the 1973 band came to be. My understanding is that one of the founding members of the 1973 group, a graduate student who had come from Yale, suggested the Ivy League scramble style.  That's all I know about it, presumably Elmo knows how to get in touch with people who would know more. Ron Kline and Steve Jacobs both added trombones to the 1975 band, which was still in its infancy but already scrambling. 
As for the Sports Band of 1993, I was also under the impression that shortly after its inception the student members voted to quit and join the Pep Band.  Again, Elmo, you know how to verify this.
Finally, there was significant post-1993 trouble with the AD in the 1995-1997 period (sparked by the infamous "Like Sherman Through Georgia" performance at the Peach Bowl).  It is in this period that the band lost the microphone and was almost relegated to performing from the stands.
El Draque 28 June 2005 21:28 (UTC)
While I'm thinking of it, the phrase "in an official capacity" could be misleading to those who do not know about the University of Virginia's Contracted Independent Organization (CIO) system.  While the Pep Band at its inception really was an official organ of the University, the reason why it's no longer the "University of Virginia Pep Band" is because in the late '80s or early '90s the University required all its student organizations to become CIOs.  I presume that this move was to reduce the University's liability for student misbehavior.  In any case, although the band continued to receive funds from the University's Student Activities Fund and perhaps also from the Athletic Department, my understanding is that the band was more in the position of independent contractor for the University.  Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I seem to recall during my time there that both the Directors of the band and the Athletic Department were always anxious to point out the band's independent status.
El Draque
I think all these questions are answered acceptably in the history on the Pep Band Webpage, which is correct to all of my knowledge.  Rather than fill this article, I'm just going to link the webpage, but if you think it should be included here, go ahead!
--ElmoHoo 07:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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