Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 5

message: Am wondering what system your using to name Colleges and to define them to locations. I have found a school titled Marcellin College, which states ' Marcellin College, Bulleen is a Marist Catholic secondary boys' school situated in Victoria, Australia.' Yet there are other Marcellin Colleges located in other parts of the world such as Marcellin College Randwick. So shouldnt the tag for Colleges include the location unless its a article that includes all colleges with that title ? I ask this as this tag has existed for a long time without change. Boylo 02:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Bulleen administratively separate from Randwick? Separate governing boards, headmasters, etc.? If so then the easiest thing to do probably is to just create a new article for Randwick and put a disambiguation link at the top of the Bulleen article. You can name the new article "Marcellin College (Randwick, NSW)" or "Marcellin College, Randwick" for now and move the Bulleen article to a new name of a similar form. See the Edison High School disambiguation page for examples of articles using both conventions. Wl219 02:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will look into all that and see what can be done. There are many links to that page, so would have to check them also. This is the problem of having the School Name not correctly tagged from the start. Will work on it when i find the time.Thx Boylo 00:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Have made the article for Marcellin College Randwick as that is that is how the school is named on their own website, without a coma. As i am new as a Editor i havent done the disambiguation links yet, as wish to make sure i do them correctly.Boylo 05:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of Colleges 

message: I thought this WProject may want to know about the CfD nomination for :Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Omaha. - Freechild 17:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category for deletion

message: It has been proposed that the two categories :Category:Secondary schools by country and :Category:High schools be merged. See the comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 18. Dahliarose 23:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category merger

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jit_Sin_High_School
Erm... Does not consiter entering into WikiProject Schools? (KyoriAsh 17:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not omnipotent and thus hadn't found this school yet, it has now been tagged. Thanks for letting us know Adam McCormick 18:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: KyoriAsh, to include a school in WikiProject Schools, all you need do is add the  template tag at the top of the school's Discussion page. I hope this answers your question.  —  Jim Dunning  talk  :  18:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for helping, I try to edit the article to a better structure as soon as possible when I have enough data. (KyoriAsh 12:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing school?

message: Could a few more editors please watchlist Fenwick High School (Chicago, Illinois)?  Anonymous editors insist on adding a bunch of unsourced information about how wonderful the institution is without any effort to provide evidence or discuss their edits.  I'm sure it's a wonderful institution but this is an encyclopedia, not a marketing brochure.  --ElKevbo 05:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fenwick High School (Chicago, Illinois)

message: As a result of a number of issues relating to schools articles which had come to the attention of WikiProject Western Australia and the recent coining of a phrase in an AfD by one project member - a new Essay has been created which may be of interest to your project when dealing with Schools article issues. Titled Aquinascruft, it covers editorial and policy issues usually encountered in the course of maintaining articles relating to private schools, and to a lesser extent public schools. Please feel free to contribute further to this essay by discussing it on it's talk page. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:AQC|Aquinascruft]] 

message: This article was assessed as high importance by Victuallers but since that assessment it seems to have been upgraded to top importance. I suspect the person who has upgraded it is one of the article's editors. The school has a long history and some well-known alumni but it is not a particularly well-known public (ie, private) school in the UK. Unless anyone objects I will change it back to high importance. How do we stop school editors upgrading their own articles? Dahliarose 10:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed the assessment back to "High" - an important school but not well known enough for "Top". Unfortunately article authors bumping up the assessments of their own articles is quite a big problem. I do frequently check categories like Category:High-importance_school_articles to see if articles have been placed in them that shouldn't be. Camaron1 | Chris 17:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hampton School]] 

message: Currently there are five different infobox templates specifically for UK schools.  The templates in use are:
*Infobox GB School (used by over 150 schools)
*Infobox UK Schools (used by less than 30 schools)
*Infobox UK School (used by around 40 schools)
*Infobox College GB (used by around 20 colleges)
*Infobox English Public School (used by less than 20 schools)
Infobox GB School is more comprehensive, more flexible, and looks more like other infoboxes than the alternatives.  I propose that Infobox UK Schools and Infobox UK School are depreciated in favour of Infobox GB school.
Also, though Infobox College GB is a template specifically for Sixth Form Colleges, all the parameters in Infobox College GB are available in Infobox GB School, so I also suggest this template is depreciated in favour of Infobox GB school.
Similarly, though Infobox English Public School is also a specialist template, all its parameters are present in Infobox GB School, so there is no reason why Infobox English Public School can't also be merged.  (Chgallen 13:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a good idea, a bit of standardisation will make things easier and should not be to difficult to implement looking at the numbers. Camaron1 | Chris 17:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with you two. What I find a bit worrying is the low number of GB schools in total. Is there a way of automating how we add these info boxes so we can an LEA at a time? ... or something like that.... I believe there is someone working on adding infoboxes .... Victuallers 19:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many UK Schools use American templates such as Template:Infobox Private School and Template:Infobox Secondary school.  That's why the total number of GB schools appears low.  While there is nothing wrong with this, these international templates do not have specialist UK school info such as LEA and Ofsted number.  (chgallen 20:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now more schools using the Infobox GB schools because of a recent merger. While I agree that there should be more uniformity I'm not too keen on this GB schools template because of the coloured banner at the top which looks a bit odd and the use of the term "Official website" rather than the actual URL at the bottom of the box. I much prefer Template:Infobox Secondary school which only really needs a few minor modifications to make it suitable for all UK schools (ie, the facility to use different terms for school heads, eg, headteacher for state schools, and headmaster and headmistress for private schools). There are free labels at the bottom which many UK schools have used to describe their specialist status. Dahliarose 10:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The coloured bar was removed before this merger was suggested, in order to make the template come more in line with other infoboxes.  Infobox GB School already has optional fields for Religion, Specialist Status, Local Education Authority, Ofsted number (which produces a link to the school's ofsted report), school houses, and the functionality to change "motto" to "mottoes", "founder" to "founders", "headteacher" to whatever you like, and allow the name of the religious head to be changed to anything (as opposed to just "chaplain", making this template viable for faith schools of a religion other than Christianity as well as Christian Schools who have a cannon or provost) as well as three free labels.  Infobox GB school also produces an hCard microformat, something which Infobox Secondary school lacks.  The school's website is currently displayed as "official site" in order to save the space a lengthy URL takes up.  But if that is the only objection to the depreciation of the other UK templates, then it can be easily changed to optionally display the URL. (chgallen 12:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Infobox GB school is much better now that the yellow bar has gone. Having looked at it again I can see that the template is indeed very flexible and is probably the best available for all UK schools. I would personally prefer to have the option to include the URL for the school's website (most schools do tend to do this anyway) so I would appreciate it if you could alter the template to this effect. Thanks for your hard work. Dahliarose 14:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's done now. (chgallen 14:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I support the merger proposal. Are there other schools infoboxes, outside the UK, which could also be included? Andy Mabbett 15:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too support the proposal (although it's deprecate, not depreciate - both are fine words but have different meanings). Indeed Chg is to be congratulated on his efforts to supply every need and meet every objection. -- roundhouse 15:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deprecate/depreciate... oops.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I found Template:Infobox scottish primary, secondary and nursery school which could possibly also be deprecated in time, but it has parameters such as "feeder schools", "feeder school for" and "email address" which GB school currently lacks. (chgallen 16:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly draw the line at email address. "Feeder schools" might be OK. (Are there many primary or nursery schools with articles?) -- roundhouse 17:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging UK Schools Infoboxes 

message: This page is in horrible shape right now. I've added the Wikiproject education project banner to the talk page, and posted a notice on that project's talk page but am bringing it up here too because this article is very very bad. It has no references, and I doubt half of the information on the page. It seems to be a hodgepodge of every student's experience with grading, adding some obscure method every which way, and it's impossible to sort out what's credible. It'd be great if someone could find some statistics about how widely these scales are used. --YbborTalk 00:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is more of an education article, I'll post it over there Adam McCormick 17:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Academic grading in North America]]