Talk:Zeitun rebellion (1895–96)

message: "Turkish army lost and 20,000 soldiers were killed, while the Armenians only lost 150 fedayeen". Could we not have some accurate, neutral accounts forthis article, and not this sort of fantasy? Meowy 22:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be realistic 

message: *"Zeitun Resistance" -Llc 0
*"Resistance of Zeitun" -Llc 4 results
*"Resistance of Zeitoun" -Llc 1 results
*"Resistance at Zeitun" -Llc 2 + results
*"Zeitun Rebellion" -Llc 57 results
*"Siege of Zeitun" -Llc 5 results
Takabeg (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Zeitun rebellion is common name on google books. But about you claim: it was within the terretory of the Ottoman Empire, we cannot know reasons of naming. Because sources don't refer to reasons. Takabeg (talk) 23:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  We do not need to know, this is my assumption, we can dismiss my assumption. What we can not dismiss is the weight of scholarly items that releate to the event as a Rebellion.Tugrulirmak (talk) 10:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian (talk) 08:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The term rebellion is used for insurgents, fighting against an existing system. Therefore, rebellion is a politically correct way of describing the events.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.79 (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I think it goes without question to present all the sides of a story – provided that they represent legitimate viewpoints and are found in reliable sources. The Armenians of Zeitun had a tradition of taking up arms to defend themselves against the encroachments of Kurdish brigands and venal Ottoman officials. More often than not (and as reflected in this article), once the Armenians did resist, local authorities would send word to the capital that the Armenians were once again in insurrection. It became a tried and true method of denying any legitimacy to an Armenian uprising. 
As regards the most recent edits, the sentences added by Viibird 1) make reference to uprisings and atrocities in Q(K)onya and Malatya, two localities faraway from isolated Zeitun and are otherwise uncorroborated in any other source; 2) it talks about the Armenian leader of Zeitun, Aghasi, finding refuge in Constantinople, the capital, also faraway from the place in question; 3) the sources are so poor in nature so as to discount them from being reliable material for editors to consult.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:12, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I can tell you that coming to this article with that attitude won't win you many sympathizers. This is not some myth that you believe you are on a mission to debunk. We have enough primary and secondary source material to demonstrate that events transpired in the way they are given here. Saying "armenians [sic] excelled in lies" is the best way to bring discredit to your argument. And what difference does it make where Zeitun is located or what the etymology of its name is? One is hard put to assume good faith when reading such comments.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: None of which is really relevant here. This article is about an event that took place in 1895-96 and most of the sources we have at disposal confirm that the Armenians of Zeitun took up arms for self-defense, not so that they could initiate the wanton slaughter of civilians. If you want to talk about Armenian history, I'd be happy to do so on my talk page or elsewhere, but not on this page. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ottoman position 

message: Are there any accounts on Ottoman agression in Zeitung before 1895 that they massively took up arms? For a massive rebellion like this, a massive agression needs to have occurred for it to be called 'self-defense'. 
 
What are the primary sources for the intentions of the Zeitung government?--82.75.32.124 (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources on government intentions