Talk:The Iron Dream

message: The article talks about "pro-fascism narrative". That would be soft-core literature then? Mussolini for example, was fascist, in the sense of Robert_Paxton but he would not have gone down the way of what one can only describe as full-on bat-out-of-hell "Hitlerism". It is a particular worldview (a recent article on this at Understanding Hitler’s Anti-Semitism). Maybe change this? There is a T101 in your kitchen (talk) 12:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fascist" not the correct adjective?

message: How sure are we that the book was banned in Germany? The cover copy on the version I have says BANNED IN GERMANY--BURNING INTO HISTORY--ADOLF HITLER'S BEST SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL! right above a picture of good ol' Adolf with a red cape on a futuristic motorcycle. So is there another source for this? I doubt the veracity of the cover copy. grendel|khan 21:39, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
It definitely was banned in Germany as "glorifying national-socialist worldviews". I can remember Spinrad on TV being asked about this. He scoffed and (accurately, IMHO, but I liked it nevertheless) said that the at-the-times rather popular Perry Rhodan series was the one promoting the fascist worldview. The German Wikipedia has more on this: "Indiziert" from 1982-04-09 to 1985. There is a T101 in your kitchen (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Banned in Germany?

message: I'd like to thank those who have worked on this article for their impressive handling of a thematically and narratively difficult subject. The article is nicely written and well-structured, particularily in describing the frame tale first, the plot second and the representations last. Good show. --Kizor 13:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thx 

message: Just curious.  I once heard the novel referred to as "Spinrad's LORDS OF THE SWASTIKA", and I've never heard of the IRON DREAM title until just now.  Was LORDS...  the original title and did it get changed later to IRON DREAM to sound less offensive?  (just as Mel Brooks' SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER got renamed THE PRODUCERS?)  Or am I just confused?  If I am right I think the name change would be worth mentioning.
71.56.67.215 (talk) 02:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lord of the Swastika" is the internal name, the title of Adolf's story.  "The Iron Dream" is Spinrad's (or his publisher's) repackaged version.--Michael C. Price talk 10:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly I remember a german edition of the early 80's entitled "Der Stählerne Traum" (The Dream of Steel) instead of what would be the correct translation "Der Eiserne Traum". It sounds more Prussian I reckon. "Hart wie Kruppstahl" etc. A quick check shows that it is still called that way and also brings up pictures of The Mustachioed One on a ludicrous bike :-) 2001:7E8:C0B6:5B01:223:54FF:FE15:1831 (talk) 17:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  original name? 

message: I'm a bit curious about the reality of their reading list with Spinrad on it. While after reading it I'm not entirely sure a Nazi would disaprove, the fact that the author describes himself as an anarchist (and reading Iron Dream could lead readers to read his other books, therefore reading clearer "anti-nazi" material) is making me think that the ANP can't really be stupid enough to include the book on their list. Since I'm not really good at understanding the whole US Nazi movement (I'm french), I'm a bit lost when it comes to find out an official reading list :D Is there any link to it, any paper published with it or only a quote from Spinrad himself ? (posted by 82.67.87.211)
:...that's a good question. So far, I think it's only a quote from Spinrad himself -- if you check Science Fiction in the Real World, or perhaps the issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in which that essay was originally printed (unless it's one of the originals, I dunno!), you might get more details. DS (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: American Nazi Party

message: This french electronic/progressive band is named after the book, and sets it partially in music (Electronique Guérilla, 1974). Spinrad himself contributed to their albums. (I don't trust my english to put it in the article.) Sagrontanmutti (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Heldon]]

message: This article is full of WP:EASTEREGG links that are rather loaded and OR.  If we are going to include interpretation of the plot, we can't hide it in veiled links, we have to provide a source that makes that interpretation.  I will remove the OR/interpretive easteregg links if there are no comments.
::Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 05:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  With this contribution, I removed them. --Cyfal (talk) 00:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easteregg links 

message: in the introductory section.  the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph: "Spinrad was intent on demonstrating just how close Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces—and much science fiction and fantasy literature—can be to the racist ideology of Nazi Germany."
even taking the extraneous out, i get "Spinrad was intent on demonstrating just how close [the book] can be to the racist ideology of Nazi Germany."
is it supposed to be "just how close The Hero with a Thousand Faces came to being the racist..."??
if so, it's still not very well-written.  "to being" should be....something else.  "how close it came to being a reflection of the racist..."  or  "how close it came to nearly justifying the racist..."  or even a larger change -- "Spinrad was intent on demonstrating how [the book]-and other sci-fi/fantasy literature-can be linked to the racist ideology of..."
i haven't read the book, so i really don't know exactly what was meant by that sentence.  (my guess is it was meant to be more like my first rough suggestion.)  and i hope my "rough suggestions" and shortcuts weren't too confusing in themselves.Colbey84 (talk) 08:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I parse it as "Spinrad was intent on demonstrating just how close (Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces—and much science fiction and fantasy literature—) can be to the racist ideology of Nazi Germany." It makes sense as that to me. I have read the Iron Dream, though not Campbell, and it does make sense William M. Connolley (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I also stumbled on this sentence. It sounded like Campbell itself is close to a racist ideology, although I interpret Spinread that he talks about the hero. I therefore rewrote the sentence like that. --Cyfal (talk) 00:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Sentence