Talk:Chennai Mass Rapid Transit System

message: Listing the stations in Chennai MRTS doent merit a separate article. We can merge neatly with its parent article. Nattu 14:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I think this list should be made into a template, as opposed to its current form.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmanck (talk • contribs) 01:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Mass Rapid Transit System (Chennai)]]

message: Can we all work to include portions of this artcle smoothly into the above general article on Rapid transit
Nattu 20:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to include parts of this in General article on [[Rapid transit]]

message: Can this article be made a featured-quality one like MTR? -- Sundar (talk · contributions) 08:39, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
Any article could be made featured-quality, we just need a lot of research and information. And I am willing to aid in the task to transforming this page to a higher-quality one.Hmanck (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: I suggest that the current article be retained as it has a older history. As indicated elsewhere, it may need to be renamed later by performing a move operation after the merger. I will wait for comments till the 9th of February 2006 before carrying out the merger. --Gurubrahma 09:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the merge tags, but adding it in "See also" as per discussion on Talk:Chennai suburban railway. --Gurubrahma 19:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge with [[Chennai suburban railway]] 

message: I've used the Suburban rail every day for the past few years. Many of the trains are 12-car. Just saying.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshangeorge (talk • contribs) 05:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that the MRTS described here is separate but integrated from the suburban rail. I think it's said that the suburban rail uses 12-car trains, but not otherwise for the MRTS? Are you sure it was the MRTS? H-Man (talk) 01:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 9 car rakes

message: The following http://www.hindu.com/mag/2007/12/09/stories/2007120950080400.htm contains a number of ideas about and criticisms of the MRTS. Hair Commodore (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Reflexions on the MRTS 

message: Several latest updates have been added to this article.
Latest updates on extension between Velachery and St Thomas Mount have been added by using newspaper articles as references.
SOMEONE HAS TAGGED THIS ARTICLE SAYING IT IS NOT UPDATED. PLEASE REMOVE THE TAG  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARTICLE UPDATED - Latest updates (with references as newspapers) have been added. 

message: I've come to the realisation that some of the users here would like this article to be made "featured-status". As a non-local, I want to see an article flower into "featured-status" from what it once was. So here's my plan, and I would like you to help me in fulfilling this common goal:
*Relationship between MRTS, the suburban railway system and the metro: What is the MRTS exactly? Is it a metro line, or is it an improvement from an existing urban rail network? Is this an entirely new system built complete out of scratch, or does it use former railway right-of-ways or an active conversion from pre-existing rail infrastructure?
*Fares: What are the fares like? How much does a single journey cost? Is it a flat fare like the New York City Subway or distanced based like the MTR? What is the method of payment? Is it a ticket, a token, a smartcard, a prepaid farecard? 
*Hours of operation and frequencies
*A map of the MRTS route, separate from the existing rail network map. Other users not from Chennai, like me, do not know which line is the MRTS
*Turn the list of stations article or list into a template
What I will try to do is this:
*Improve the style by which the articles are written
*Organise the various parts of the articles, reduce redundancies
*Coordinate with others here to rewrite the "Criticism" section
Who's in on this?
H-Man (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on how fast the information above that I requested can come in. Once we have sufficient information, backed by relevant sources, and aided by photos, I'll polish up the article and ask for a rating review. As of now, I cannot be over-optimistic and give any definite timeframe. Let's move on the pace that is alloted to us.  H-Man (talk) 03:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

text: What are the prices like? H-Man (talk) 04:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am not a regular commuter. I had travelled in MRTS only once some 4 years back. Will try to get some secondary source for price. --Anbu121 (talk me) 04:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Folks. Have started rewritting the entire section to Wiki standards without distorting any of the valuable information provided by various users. First let me thank Skysun312 (talk), whose relentless efforts in collecting some of the most valuable information have made this article move towards betterment. Will try my level best to retain all those valid info. Will let you know once I'm done. Cheers. Rasnaboy (talk) 07:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I want this effort to be a community-led effort and not an effort by one. I hope you can discuss each section within the talk page if you are going to go about it. As for the Criticism section, I'm considering reducing the information as much as possible. There's frankly no need to have a section that is half as long as the article itself, and much of the "points" are not fully elaborated, which means they could be condensed into clearer paragraphs. H-Man (talk) 13:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much H-Man, for offering to help with upgrading this article. Have done my best by rewritting the entire Criticism section as you suggested without losing any of the information/citations (except where the link is outdated, irrelevant, or not working at all) and have removed the "Multiple Issues" tag. However, I'm not removing the "Outdated Info" tag at the top of the article, as I think more needs to be added yet. Trust this is fine. Think we can now start off with H-Man's plan. Thoughts welcome. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a drastic improvement, I am liking it so far. When I come back from work later in the day, I'll make some more modifications, pending more information. H-Man (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

text: 21:05 (UTC-5) edits: I condensed the history section, there is a lot of redundant information and too many repetitions. Moreover, the chronology of events was previously not logical. I don't know the exact details of the line, if the stuff is not chronologically correct or there are some factual errors, please fix. I also placed in new sections that are consisted with other rapid transit articles, namely rolling stock (which I know you refer to as "rakes") and fare and ticketing. Later on, I will add in a section for route description. H-Man (talk) 01:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making this article better 

message: I saw that Southern Railway's ticketing procedure employs a first class/second class system, but is there a first class for MRTS? If so, how many cars are designated first class? H-Man (talk) 19:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Car classes

message: From the relative successes that we've had in regards to restructuring, rewriting and revamping the article, I am going to be a bit ambitious and will begin on an allied project. Like other rapid transit systems and their articles/projects, there will be an article for EVERY station. If you are a local user, I ask kindly of you to help me with the information and help me create some of these articles.
The format for the article name should be: station name (Chennai MRTS), which is the proper protocol. An example of this would be Chennai Park Town (Chennai MRTS). Note that station does NOT need to be in there. Exceptions to the rule include: if the station is being shared by another mode, such as the suburban rail network. There I would simply use station, like Chennai Beach station. I hope you can also include photographs as well.H-Man (talk) 23:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created two station articles till now. Will expand them and create the remaining. --Anbu121 (talk me) 10:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I believe that articles on stations do have potential to grow beyond stubs. Please check out these London Underground station articles: South Kensington tube station, Holborn tube station. Sourcing could be a problem at present due to non-existence of MRTS official website and due to the fact that media is not matured in India, but that should not be a hurdle to create the article. Sources are bound to come in the future. An article in Wikipedia has the right to exist if the subject meets the notability guideline and if the article is supported by atleast one reliable source. For your concern on neighbourhood articles, a two or three line summary of the station could be provided in the transport section of the article, along with link to the station article. --Anbu121 (talk me) 16:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I can see why some may not want to have the station articles. But User:Anbu121 is correct - there is the potential for them. It is not to say that they're completely useless. In fact, I think such information can potentially raise awareness of the existence of this train line. Proper awareness to ride it; proper awareness to petition to the government or the railway company for improvement. Perhaps I am being too hopeful, but I think it could provide a bountiful amount of information.H-Man (talk) 05:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wider Project 

message: I have re-included the table (which was once there in this article) in the section named "Construction and opening".  This table has Necessary as well as important (and maybe rare) sourced information regarding partial completion of the MRTS line upto chepauk in 1995, completion of single lane upto tiruvanmiyur in 2004. This information is hitherto not present elsewhere in the article. Hence I have restored this table. If you feel redundancy because of the presence of two similar (but not same) tables, you may merge the info present in the two tables into one single table. Alternatively, you may delete the table, but move this information into the text area into the relevant section.
Skysun312 (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding re-inclusion of table. 

message: I am pointing out some of the mistakes in the Tamil names mentioned in this article.
1. In Tamil newspapers, apart from parakkum rayil, it's more commonly referred to as mempaala rayil.  Anbu121- Please check up some dinamalar sources in the references section, if you don't believe. 
2. Secondly, many of the stations don't have correct Tamil names.
I am pointing out some of them below:-
1. chennai beach, chennai fort - none need of "ik" - Please check the official spelling
2. Greenways road - the official Tamil name is Pasumai vazhi salai
3. Other mistakes too like spelling mandaveli in tamil is wrong in the article
My suggestion is to remove the tamil names for stations - Why really have them ? English would be sufficient. Moreover, in case of Railways, (bcos it's central govt.) it's necessary to mention Hindi also if you are going as per the official terms of Railways.
So, Let's stick to English, and not bring in Tamil for the station names.
If you don't agree to this, then have proper spellings and correct official tamil names - don't put wrong tamil names for stations on this wikipedia article as it's better to have "no tamil information" than "wrong tamil information"
Skysun312 (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Official terms of Indian Railways does not have implications on Wikipedia. Wikipedia content are stored in servers in Florida, answerable only to US Laws. (and a proxy server in Amsterdam I guess) Wikipedia does not have any policy or guidelines on using local scripts. It is left to be decided by talk page consensus of editors. I have no opinion on whether to include them or to remove them. User:Rasnaboy to reply here. --Anbu121 (talk me) 17:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I duly object to the matter of entirely removing the Tamil names. Certainly I did not write them, and if they pose major fallacies, I ask that they be changed. Although the article is English, the article's language merely represents the language that is used by the people whose preferences are to view articles in that specific language. It does no harm, however, to include the names in the local language. I have seen this done for the rapid transit station lists and articles for East Asian rapid transit systems, most notably the MTR. Duly, if you wish to desire to achieve a high standing with the article, I suggest you add it back. Just make sure that it is agreed by all, and backed by sources. H-Man (talk) 05:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding tamil names 

message: 1.The information on route length is wrong in some places. 
Reliable sources: http://www.erail.in/?T=MSB::VLCY:#   and http://www.sr.indianrailways.gov.in/uploads/files/1345106736152-MRTS%20WEEK.pdf  say that the distance is 19 kms from Chennai Beach to Velachery.
However upon completion of the extension upto St.Thomas Mount, this distance would increase by an additional 5 kms.
2. Secondly, the statement that MRTS doesn't have Automatic Ticketing is completely wrong. 
Sources: The Hindu articles
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article936125.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article420938.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3394846.ece
However, these AVTMs are very unpopular (refer the sources). These points may be corrected in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look buddy, you're the expert here. I'm just here to polish up the place. Just go change it and add on, if necessary. The others and I can't be the only ones doing all the edits here. If there is automatic ticketing, go put it down in the article. H-Man (talk) 05:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Tags 

message: I think the article has been in a great state of improvement since a few days ago, when the project started. I do encourage more people to come in and contribute, and for those who are currently at it, I like to show my gratitude and appreciation for this achievement. Featured class is a long way, but it will be a goal in the future. I wish to do the same with Chennai Metro when it opens.
What's next?
*Rolling stock: I added the section and placed in the tags. I've done this so that you can acknowledge the existence of this section and add on to it. 
I'll add some more onto the list.
H-Man (talk) 05:29, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos 

message: The following are the additional references which are till now not included in the article and  may not be so useful, but may be of use later either for this article OR for the secondary articles on individual MRTS stations:-
# Power cable snap disrupts MRTS services for 1-1/2 hours - (Summary: same as what title says) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-07-26/chennai/28286000_1_mrts-trains-train-services-snag
# Security system to be installed at MRTS railway stations - (Summary: Describes how anti-social elements use MRTS stations as a hub for illegal activities, how stations are dark and dangerous, and plan for deploying additional RPF to overcome these issues) http://www.hindu.com/2006/11/02/stories/2006110214410300.htm
# Work on Perungudi-Taramani MRTS section will be over by May: Velu - (Also says: how additional problems like soil,etc occurred  during this phase of construction and how these were overcome, how much additional funds were given) http://www.hindu.com/2004/07/19/stories/2004071910090300.htm
# Preliminary work begins on road along MRTS at Perungudi - (Summary: describes additional link roads to Perungudi station and why the station is underutilised) http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/02/stories/2009060258070300.htm
# Velachery MRTS service from next month - (nothing much) http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/20/stories/2007092058520300.htm
# 18 new EMU services to ease Chennai's woes - (little bit on Mount Extn, and funds given by state govt.) http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2995777.ece
# Passengers sore over irregular MRTS train timings (Summary: In the year 2000, How trains running from MRTS stations to Pattabiram, Tiruvallur directly were delayed due to unknown reasons) http://www.hindu.com/2000/10/26/stories/0426401y.htm
# MRTS service to be partially suspended today (Summary: Due to inauguration of the new (supposed to be) assembly complex at Mount Road, MRTS services were affected for that day. The MRTS line which runs close to this currently abandoned building. Also, Information is given on special trains for IPL cricket matches at Chepauk stadium) http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article243921.ece
# MRTS to St.Thomas Mount by December, 2010 (Summary - Former Railway Minister Mr. Lalu said that MRTS extension upto St.Thomas Mount would be completed by 2010 in his 2008 Railway Budget. This reference also gives the details of funds allotted in this 2008 Raillway Budget)  - http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/27/stories/2008022759130400.htm
# Tenders invited to exploit space above MRTS stations (Summary: Gives details on amount of vacant space in some of the stations, CRZ clearance due to seismic zone change, ratio of funds by state govt. and railways, how state govt will benefit if commercial complexes are opened at stations, cost details of phases 1 and 2, lease period for land acquired) http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/23/stories/2009092359460300.htm
# Inspection of Velachery MRTS section today (Summary: Reasons for delay in Thiruvanmiyur-Velachery section - cost escalation, facilities at Velachery station, Single lane services till Thiruvanmiyur, lack of approach road to Velachery station ) http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/05/stories/2007070555400300.htm
# Railway directive to MRTS contractors - (Summary: A mishap - a girder fell - and as a result of this, measures were taken) http://www.hindu.com/2001/05/08/stories/04082238.htm
# MRTS to Velacheri may be delayed - (Summary: Again, reasons for delay in commissioning Tiruvanmiyur - Velachery section due to soil etc. ) http://www.hindu.com/2006/11/11/stories/2006111115320300.htm
# Plan to rope in MRTS for hop-on-hop-off tour (Summary:A plan to include MRTS for local tourism, so that tourists get a bird's eyeview from the elevated network running through the city) http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/10/stories/2008021057840300.htm
# More buses will mean more passengers for MRTS trains (Summary: How individual stations lacked bus connectivity, how patronage increased - 2007 to 2009,  only half the MRTS stations have bus connectivity,etc) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-19/chennai/28167953_1_mrts-stations-greenways-road-triplicane-and-kotturpuram
# Ballastless technology to cut down track maintenance cost (Summary:Some new technology in Tracks in India, how this technology minimises maintenance cost. It was installed in phase 2) http://www.hindu.com/2003/01/24/stories/2003012409190300.htm
# Safety inspection of Velachery MRTS track over (Summary: Shed at velachery, extn to Mount, CRZ clearance, etc ) http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/20/stories/2007072059610500.htm
# Common ticket for bus, MRTS travel on the cards http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-03-27/chennai/28039990_1_traffic-wardens-public-transport-traffic-solution
# Safety clearance awaited for MRTS link to Velachery http://www.hindu.com/2007/06/30/stories/2007063059960400.htm
# CBI probing supply of escalators, elevators for MRTS stations - (Nutshell: Details on corruption in escalator contract, faulty escalators, how people are affected, no. of escalators, etc) http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/25/stories/2009072558730200.htm
# Assembly opening: MRTS to stop for 30 mins -  http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-03-11/chennai/28116310_1_t-rajendran-police-commissioner-mrts
# Accessibility to Perungudi MRTS station improved (Nutshell: How perungudi stations' approach roads were worse and how corporation took measures to improve it. Can use in secondary article on Perungudi MRTS station ) http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-downtown/article1160517.ece
# Railways to outsource MRTS maintenance (Nutshell:shabby and unsafe conditions at stations and private outsourcing) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-06-17/chennai/28318354_1_mrts-stations-southern-railway-beach-velachery
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mundakanniamman_Koil_%28Chennai_MRTS%29 - Talk page of Mundakanniamman koil MRTS station has some references pertaining to it.
# Skywalk likely to link two MRTS stations (Nutshell: Skywalk to be constructed between Chepauk and Chindadripet) http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2641908.ece
# Signal disruption hits MRTS services  (Nutshell: as in title) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-04/chennai/30112194_1_mrts-trivandrum-express-chepauk-station
# Preliminary work begins on road along MRTS at Perungudi (Nutshell: Details on construction phase at Perungudi, link roads, encroachments, etc. Can use in secondary article on Perungudi MRTS station) http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/02/stories/2009060258070300.htm
# PMO approached for date of MRTS inauguration - (Nutshell: The Prime Minister wanted to inaugurate the MRTS, however it didn't happen so, I guess) http://www.indianexpress.com/Storyold/8321/ 
# Unified metropolitan transport body set up (Nutshell:- Can take a line from this article - i.e CUMTA plans to integrate various modes of transport in the city.) http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/07/stories/2008030758420100.htm
# Patronage up for Velachery station (Nutshell: details on how patronage increased after extending services to Velachery) http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/22/stories/2007112260310300.htm
# Acquiring land is key to completion of works by 2013 (Nutshell: Regarding extension to St.Thomas Mount) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-03-16/chennai/28698965_1_velachery-and-adambakkam-adambakkam-st-thomas-mount-mrts-line 
# Kottur is the name, says ex-MLA - (Nutshell: An MLA wanted renaming of kotturpuram station - editors can use in the secondary article on kotturpuram mrts station) http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/30/stories/2004113012920300.htm
# Trains to run on elevated stretch - (Nutshell: this article was published in 2004 and gives details on how the lines were planned to be constructed from tiruvanmiyur to vlcy and problems faced during this construction) http://www.hindu.com/2004/07/25/stories/2004072510190300.htm
# Over Rs. 2,000 crore for infrastructure development - (Nutshell: few details on funds for extension to st.thomas mount) http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/19/stories/2006081920010400.htm
# http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/mrts-line-revision-derails-realty-dreams-251 "MRTS line revision derails realty dreams" Nutshell: Alignment changes for the extension upto St.Thomas Mount has affected residents having houses in the built up areas.Newly added link to the list (please don't comment/remark on this addition of a new link, if you wish to use this, you may, otherwise don't. It's just there on the talk page and doesn't do any harm to the article)Skysun312 (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a litany of information. How about you put the information down? Or at least summarise in greater detail? That's honestly a lot of stuff to follow, and the existing article at its current state needs much more work before we include even more information. H-Man (talk) 23:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Skysun312. Great to see this much of information when I thought the article is reaching saturation. I now do realize that there is much more scope to improve. Thanks a ton! However, as H-Man mentioned, let us clean up the existing article, before we add new info (unless the info is very much crucial). Meanwhile, let us list our findings here in talk page and also maintain separately the statements to be added in the article. Once the article is clean, which I hope will happen in a week or so, we can add more info. What say? Discussions and criticisms welcome.Challengethelimits (talk) 04:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional references - not included in the article (till now) - not so useful, but may be of use later or for the secondary articles on MRTS stations 

message: I understand that we're expanding the criticism section again. But, it won't be as long as what I had done long before. Nevertheless, I would ask you all to have a look at the criticism section in the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chennai_Mass_Rapid_Transit_System&oldid=505616815#Criticism
This was the version long before, just before including all those tags to this section.
Please condense the points and put them in the latest version of the article. I had collected a huge number of references, sad to know some of them have been deleted from the article.
Please have a look at this older version of the article - as in the link above - and re-build the criticism section by condensing the points and using the references mentioned there.
Skysun312 (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding expansion of criticism section 

message: Look, there is no need to put 20 sources in the same line in the introduction to the criticism section. It's UNNECESSARY and will not comply with Wikipedia standards. I understand the significance of the sources, but they should be placed where they NEED to be, and not grouped together with 20 others. It's TIME to change this. H-Man (talk) 22:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section and sources

message: Some primary sources are as follows:
1. http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwayboard/uploads/directorate/stat_econ/yearbook10-11/Year_book_10-11_eng.pdf
This is from Indian Railways. Navigate to pages 57 an 58 to get the official details of cost of phase 2 extension and the date of sanction of the project. Just one line pertaining to MRTS is available in this pdf .
2. http://rti.railnet.gov.in/rtidata/scanned/14820.pdf CAG report on MRTS (Nutshell: says how Railways has handled MRTS project wrongly.
3. ' A primary source is criticising the MRTS regarding safety and security issues
: Copy-pasting from the source
Quote:
Mass Rapid Transit System at Chennai
The Mass Rapid Transit System (MRTS) at Chennai which runs from Chennai
Beach to Velachery covering 17 stations was introduced to decongest traffic
within Chennai city. In all 14 station buildings were constructed in two phases
with a total floor area of 2,11,099 Sq. m. and the remaining station buildings
are still under construction though opened for train services.
'Due to poor patronage during off peak hours' the stations were generally empty
posing serious threat to the passengers from anti social elements. Reports of
'murder', chain snatching and harassment of elderly and women passengers were frequent.
By this I mean to say, that these issues are very important for the article. Please note other editors that it's not just the media that finds these problems with the MRTS, but it's owner itself. So, it won't deviate from neutrality to criticise the MRTS on safety and security. The source is a primary source. 
Source: Indian Railways, Security Management.
Link: http://saiindia.gov.in/english/home/Our_Products/Audit_Report/Government_Wise/union_audit/recent_reports/union_performance/2011_2012/Railways/Report_no_14/Chapter_3.pdf
4. Navigate to page 2 of http://www.tn.gov.in/spc/annualplan/ap2010_11/ap1011ch7.6.pdf to get official details on funds. Little info available.
5. Do Ctrl+F to find "MRTS" http://www.tn.gov.in/spc/annualplan/ap2009_10/ap0910_ch_7_7.pdf Some funding details are given in this primary source
'Please note that in India it's very difficult to get primary sources online, as Government websites are not so user friendly.'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Primary sources 

message: http://cag.gov.in/reports/railways/2004_8/chapter3.htm
Details on LA, cost, need of the station, problems faced, etc are given in this link. It's official information and not based from newspapers  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: CAG Report giving details on Mundakanni Amman Koil Station

message: I am not asking to use these sources right now. Please continue making modifications. However, some of these sources may be useful later.
It may be useful for individual articles on MRTS stations - some of these articles are currently stubs.
First, as discussed, let's finish the maintenance works on this article, and then see if we need these references 
1. Travel by train, have a feel of Chennai charms http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/03/stories/2008070358460200.htm (Nutshell:TTDC launches Chennai city sightseeing tour using MRTS)
2. Amenities yet to be put on the rails Nutshell: lack of amenities at MRTS stations http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/20/stories/2006092019030300.htm
3. Economic Infrastructure of Tamil Nadu
:http://www.economy*****.com/stateprofiles/tamilnadu/economic-infrastructure.html - Nutshell: Several infrastructure details on land used, track length,width, system capacity, cost details, etc. Replace ***** with watch
4.Passengers shun buses, switch to trains (Nutshell: Bus fare hike increased MRTS patronage by 25% in 2011)
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/passengers-shun-buses-switch-trains-308
5. Velachery-St. Thomas Mount rail link sought http://www.hindu.com/2003/10/19/stories/2003101909420300.htm
6. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-30/chennai/29944669_1_metro-station-unpaid-area-underground-stations
:How central will be a multi-modal transit point for all modes of rail transport.
7. Poor patronage for MRTS Ladies Special service www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article111740.ece
8. Three avatars of rail services under one house - About St.Thomas Mount integrated station. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-11-24/chennai/28217999_1_suburban-trains-mrts-station-metro-rail
9.Security stepped up at MRTS section http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/24/stories/2011032462890900.htm
10. http://www.hindu.com/mag/2008/01/20/stories/2008012050110400.htm Some constructional aspects of some MRTS stations - use it for respective articles. 
11. More commuters opt for trains, buses http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-24/chennai/30554583_1_suburban-trains-commuters-public-transport Nutshell: increase in petrol prices lead to increase in mrts commuters.
12. Transportation crisis in Chennai http://www.hindu.com/op/2009/06/28/stories/2009062850021200.htm  Just couple of lines on poor patronage in MRTS
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more news paper articles as sources. 

message: This sub-section may be removed because we can't get enough sourced information. Moreover, this plan is completely dropped. Any extension of the Project beyond St.Thomas Mount is dropped as quoted in one of the sources.
Skysun312 (talk) 17:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate sub-section on extension to villivakkam may be removed - no source, plan dropped 

message: The following corrections can be made
1. This is a grammatical correction.
"Opened in 1995 and extended twice in 2004 and 2007, the system's poor connectivity with other transit modes have had an impact on its ridership, drawing much criticism to its cost-effectiveness." This is present in the second paragraph of the article.
The word have has to be replaced with has.
2. The System map in the info box of the article has distances indicated along with the station. But, these distances marked in system map (that appears upon clicking "show") and the distances in the table (present in Infrastructure/Stations subsection) don't match exactly. Please checkup.
3. The table present in Infrastructure/Stations subsection may be updated with more details. The distances at which the remaining stations are going to be located are given in few of the references. All These stations are going to be elevated (this detail is present in some references). A word "proposed or u/c" may be included to avoid confusion between the stations in use and those under construction.
However, it's not necessary to include these details as the stations are still under construction, i.e. the details are not the final details
4. For the Rolling stock section, we can include the information about rolling stock used in sub-urban or local trains in Chennai. This is because MRTS rolling stock is almost same as the Sub-urban train rolling stock expect for the fact that lesser number of coaches are used in MRTS line because of poor patronage in comparison with the other 3 sub-urban train routes. Technical details may be included about the power supply , design of coaches, motors used, pantograph, etc same as that of Chennai Suburban Railway. 
5. Images may be aligned properly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Skysun, Please incorporate the corrections. You have been working with this article for some time, and I believe you know what to do. I recently got an infro from a fellow editor that articles should not rely on too much of info from newspapers. I am not sure how much we can get info about MRTS from books. But let's keep trying that too. Great work! Challengethelimits (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections / Edits that can be made 

message: It's quite difficult to get books but whatever I have got, I think I've included either in the article or the talk page.
However we can get some government documents which are authentic, and much better than newspaper articles(in terms of what wikipedia wants). Please perform google searches for "MRTS chennai site:gov.in", or any other equivalent search command on google.
One such document I have got through such a search is as follows:
I have got some useful information from an authentic source - CAG (Comptroller Auditor General) [CAG does auditing and reporting for Govt. Projects. in India]
The summary of the report is given at the link http://www.cag.gov.in/html/reports/railways/2006_5/5of2006Railways/OVERVIEW.htm
Kindly see chapter III in this link
The entire report is available at http://saiindia.gov.in/english/home/Our_Products/Audit_Report/Government_Wise/union_audit/recent_reports/union_compliance/2005_2006/Railways/Report_No_5/chap_3.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysun312 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to the previous comment

message: Please understand that some valuable sourced information has been removed.
Please do understand that sourced technical / valuable information must remain on the article, irrespective of whether it is +ve or -ve.
For example, following valuable authentic sourced Information has been deleted
# Speed reduction due to "S" bends [Source: The Hindu] 
# Opening of Single Lane Services till Tiruvanmiyur [Source: CAG Audit Report]
# Maintenance Free Ballast-Less Tracks [Source: The Hindu]
# Plans to open IT offices in MRTS stations [Source: The Times of India]
# Plans to open night shelters for the homeless at MRTS stations [Source: The Times of India]
# Multimodal Integration - 40% patronage from 3 stations close to bus stops [Source: The Hindu]
# Direct Trains to Gummidipoondi [Source: Business Standard]
# Spikes & surges in patronage on special days [Multiple Sources]
# Technical details on Rolling Stock like voltage etc [Source: Indian Railways Doc]
# Some Information on Velachery - St Thomas Mount Extension [Multiple Sources]
# Few lines on proposed/envisaged extension of MRTS to Mahabalipuram.
Some sourced lines in the criticism section too.
Sourced text/lines/paragraph - This must be reverted. You may rephrase it in your own words if you sense plagiarism from news articles. 
Please compare my last version before your edit with the latest version of the article after your latest edit below - Request you to revert / rephrase / rewrite deleted sourced text
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chennai_Mass_Rapid_Transit_System&diff=580341803&oldid=579971795
Let's cooperate and put up relevant information and improve the article by consensus / discussion among us. 
Thank you.
Skysun312 (talk) 08:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nov 2013 Edits

message: I've removed this line
"This article lacks sufficient references and/or adequate inline citations."
from the yellow box on the top of this talk page. 
Reason/Justification for removal of this tag/line:-
Article has 150 references/citations.
Moreover, there are 40 references in the "Further Reading" section.
Totally, there are 190 references and these are more than sufficient for this article.
These references include
# Newspapers/News articles (Chiefly) - Chennai Editions of Newspapers/News websites of The Times of India, The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, The New Indian Express and few other news agencies
# Some Information available from Govt Websites (primary sources) like Southern Railways, Indian Railways, CAG Audit Reports, CMDA website, etc.
# Google Books
# Other / miscellaneous types of sources
Skysun312 (talk) 09:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes referencing tags get left behind after there are sufficient references on an article.  In this case, I agree that removal of the tag is justified because of the number of direct footnote references.  However, I view the Further Reading section on an article as if they were external links to non-website content, and therefore don't consider them as references.  There isn't much on this type of section, but WP:FURTHER is a good place to start. Slambo (Speak) 12:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: Is MRTS part of Chennai Suburban Railway or separated (same prices, network, ticketing...) ? Bouzinac (talk) 04:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wonder if