Talk:GLSEN

message: I have deleted the line "Children as young as 12 and 13 were also reportedly in attendance" from the controversy section as it is not verified by the source and has been denied by conference organizers.  I also deleted the line "Despite the controversy that erupted over this event, GLSEN has continued to offer similar workshops for students" as the source provided gave no evidence that any sexually explicit workshops have been presented by GLSEN since the original event.Viciouslies 16:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my understanding that a "controversy" should not be included with no citations. Otherwise, it is simply heresay. Kukini 05:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: We need to work together to ensure that NPOV status is secure in this article. Kukini 17:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some quick searching shows that this account is innacurate -- for instance, the title of the panel mentioned in the writeup is wrong. --Larrybob 21:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Additionally, with a national organization with many chapters, devoting such a substantial portion of the article to a "controversy" that happened at one particular conference seems to throw the emphasis of the article off.--Larrybob 21:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyways, I read a weird article that claimed that the organization was literally promoting homosexuality among children.  ADM (talk) 03:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall reading an article a while back which noted that the graphic descriptions of certain sexual activities (in the talk that critics of GLSEN refer to as "fistgate") were part of a response to a specific question asked by one of the teens present. Neither of the sources given right now mentions that, and I do not recall the source which does. It seems like a rather important part - as it stands, it sounds like the speakers were the ones to raise the subject, and that it was central to the presentation, when it that's not the case at all. They were just giving an honest answer to a question asked by an attendee. If anyone has a source with a better explanation of what really happened - I don't have one on hand, and my memory is a little fuzzy on the specifics - that would be a good addition to put the controversial talk into context. --Icarus (Hi!) 21:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: It it really useful to have a list of all the chapters?  It's just a list, there's no additional information, and really doesn't seem to be very useful. eaolson 03:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usefulness of the chapter list

message: I think that the history seems somewhat biased in the organizations favor, but shoudln't it be more nuetral? 69.92.50.50 (talk) 06:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Moving through this - 
* As with the global conflicts over gay rights, so have tensions arisen with reactions to gay organizations, often from conservative religious groups. That is not a controversy but may be useful  on some other article about LGBT culture in general.
* In some cases, a “Day of Silence” promoting awareness may be followed by a “Day of Truth” to promote conservative religious values, so GLSEN helped publish a guide to reduce conflicts in public schools. This is also not controversial and likely should be sent to Day of Silence instead.
* In Massachusetts, some parents have rallied against what they have called the "homosexual agenda" and inappropriate materials. Vague and seemingly soapbox, if there is some actual point it may be helpful at homosexual agenda. 
* In 2000 the Massachusetts Department of Education investigated complaints over frank discussions of sexuality with students as young as 14. The remarks were recored by a parent at a GLESEN conference with the title "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class: Workshop for Youth Only, Ages 14-21".  First off, only the Boston Herald seems to cover this in a more than passing mention. Education Week not only gets the facts wrong but otherwise doesn't seem to be a reliable source. We also seem to omit the obvious follow up of what if anything happened as a result of the inquiries. The overall conference was sponsored by GLSEN but there is no evidence they encouraged, condoned or sponsored this specific workshop or the apparently frank discussions that evidently were prompted by those teens in attendance. If we have evidence there was any editorial control by GLSEN it would likely show they favored a conservative approach instead referring students to resources they could check out on their own. The two Department of Education staffers who participated are coordinators of the Department of Education's HIV/AIDS program. And why is this all an issue? "Our stance is that the Department of Education has no business at all presenting homosexuality in the public schools," Kamenker said. "It is a very self-destructive lifestyle."  -- Banjeboi 00:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have some nits to pick, but does that justify wholesale deletion of an entire, carefully and reliably sourced section on people who object to the organization, and the most widely publicized incident? Of course Education Week is a reliable source. NPOV states that all sides of a controversy from notable sources should be included. This action basically shuts down any point of view not favorable to GLSEN, which certainly violates the spirit of NPOV. Leaving it out of here will drive people to conservapedia which is considerably less dedicated to a neutral point of view. Bachcell (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well sourced, NPOV content is welcome. Generally we don't want any article to have "criticism and controversies" sections. They invite POV writing. Instead weave any notable criticism into the general text. Be advised, doing a quick look at the hundreds of sources available shows they are pretty well regarded so the article in total should reflect criticism with due weight. If an overwhelming majority of sources are positive about the group the article should reflect that.  -- Banjeboi 08:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 

message: I was patrolling page changes when I came upon an editor who blanked a section of the article.  I am assuming that those who maintain this article know what is best, but when I see a large amount of content being blanked, I automatically see it as an nonconstructive edit or at worst, vandalism. I revert edits when there is a large amount of content removed.  I won't do it again, but this section that keeps coming and going probably needs some stability and consensus.  Best Regards,
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thread_title: Fistgate controversy

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message: GLSEN is an Education Lobbying & Political Organization  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoAHabesha (talk • contribs) 18:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Your source does not describe them as a "lobbying organization", merely shows that they spent some money on lobbying, which many organizations do. The same source will show that ExxonMobil has spent $7 million on lobbying this year, many times the $10,000 listed for GLSEN, but we still describe them as an oil and gas company. Glsen brings in about $8 mill per year, so clearly most of the money goes to other things. Your edits lack a reliable source for the claim that is being made, though there may well be source for a section on lobbying efforts within what the group does. I am again reverting. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  GLSEN is an Education Lobbying & Political Organization 

message: Undid revision 929076396 by NatGertler (talk) POV/vandalism — GLSEN is an LGBT special interest lobbying organization, I have cited the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics’s Open Secrets’ Campaign and Special Interest Lobbying Finance. This is a trusted sources on Political Finance and Lobbying in the Political Science field.https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/lobby.php?id=D000051210 https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries/summary?cycle=2019&id=J7300
:See response in section above, and join in on conversation and try to achieve consensus, rather than trying to edit war in your changes.-Nat Gertler (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  GLSEN is an LGBT special interest lobbying organization