Talk:Greenbrier Ghost

message: So bizarre -great article! J. Van Meter 01:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording of the article is uncomfortably close to the wording of the prarieghosts.com article.  In fact certain passages are almost identical (ex. the "Background" section).  Is a rewrite needed?  In addition, all of the photos seem to have been lifted directly from that website; in fact, Mr. Herring's descriptive text on the image pages confirms it.  His statement that "given the subject's age it should be public domain" does NOT mean that they ARE in the public domain.  It's entirely possible that the photos are part of a private collection or belong to an historical society. This should be verified, not guessed at.  At any rate they are from a website with a posted copyright statement on each page, and the website's author should at the very least be informed of their use. Canonblack 12:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: In the year-plus since my previous post, someone has slightly rewritten much of the article, but still the organization and order of facts, most of the phrasing, and indeed the actual photos all come from one source, the prarieghosts.com article linked at the end.  That website is the copyrighted creation of Troy Taylor, not "AlbertHerring".  Can anyone please use other sources to flesh this out, or shall I place a copyvio banner? Canonblack 19:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article states at one point that her body was cremated then later that she was exhumed and autopsied.  The diverging stories here detracts from the veracity of the entire article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.74.254 (talk) 17:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Doesn't make much sense.Boneyard90 (talk) 07:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cremated then exhumed?

message: Isn't it misdescribing the events to say that the "testimony of a ghost" was accepted at the trial? The "ghost" didn't actually "testify". The alleged apparition gave rise to the exhumation and re-examination of the body, providing evidence of murder, but that's about all you can say. – ukexpat (talk) 14:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. And the article only alludes to the dream of the mother, not really even a ghost.Boneyard90 (talk) 07:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Testimony of a ghost..." 

message: Many others have seen her walking around late at night, on Simms Mtn. She has never harmed a soul, her real goal is to get people to realize what can happen and how things can be solved.Eventually Elva Zona Shue will rest forever, no one can tell when. For now, respect that she feels she has a place in this world and has not made it to the other side yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.204.174 (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No part of that comment can be considered a "fact".Boneyard90 (talk) 07:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  fact. 

message: The article was assessed as Start-class, for lack of sufficient in-line citations and several contextual discrepancies or omissions that are not explained. Among these:
* Elva Z. Heaster's child was born in 1895, but there is no mention after that.
* Cremation & urn: Either the main contributor does not know what a cremation and urn are, or sources are really mixed up. The Burial section clearly talks about cremation and urn, but also about a "corpse". Then later, the body is exhumed, and despite having been supposedly cremated (something that surprises me for rural WV in 1897), there's an autopsy.
* Sheet: Never mind the pink stain; who takes a sheet from a coffin? I suppose this was the sheet in the coffin prior to the cremation of the body, but then the body wasn't cremated, it appears to have been buried, so then, who takes a sheet from a coffin prior to burial?
* NO GHOST: The article doesn't even mention a ghost in any sense of the word I have ever known. It says "Zona appeared to her mother in a dream". That's not a ghost, that's a dream.
* The post-mortem Zona (ghost or dream or whatever) "is said to have visited Mrs. Heaster over the course of four nights". Said by whom? Mrs. Heaster was the only who saw Zona, so she must be the only one to have said it. 
* AUTOPSY: Shue was "required by law to be present at the autopsy" of his wife who had been dead a month? What kind of sick law is that??
* State Historical Marker: Shouldn't be hard to get a reference or a web-site of this, or how about a photo?
The story seems to be an amalgamation of various rumors and conjectures, which when assembled, do not match up for a coherent story. Most of the legal aspect seems to hinge on the autopsy, and so, barring further explanation, I recommend deleting all references to any cremation. Good luck.Boneyard90 (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:Death Assessment Commentary