Talk:Ellis Island

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: this is part of a national monument, not a separate national monument called "Ellis Island National Monument". As per List of national monuments of the United States, the Statue of Liberty NM also includes Ellis Island, but we already have an article on Statue of Liberty NM. epicgenius (talk) 04:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  National monument status 

message: I have read with much attention the question about the NY/NJ territorial division of the 1998 and I have noted 2 wrong maps on this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island#/media/File:EllisIslandMapOSM.png and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island#/maplink/0)
In both the maps the dotted boundaries of the NY enclave in the NJ State are wrong. In fact these maps IGNORE that the two states jointly negotiated a post-trial settlement for minor changes in 1999 to decide exactly where and how to draw the lines in accordance with the Supreme Court decision.
The EXACT and FINAL map is the FIGURE 10 in this document (https://web.archive.org/web/20141018003341/http://proceedings.esri.com/library/userconf/proc99/proceed/papers/pap138/p138.htm)
In fact in 1998 the United States Supreme Court accepted the final map and New York was granted jurisdiction to 4.68 acres. This area includes almost all of the Main Immigration Building as well as portions of the Wall of Honor, baggage handling/dormitory building, power house and administration building (Figure 10). The New York portion of Ellis Island is landlocked, enclaved within New Jersey's territory. New Jersey has sovereign authority over the remaining 22.80 acres of the island that includes portions of the above buildings, the ferry house, and all of the 29 hospital and dormitory buildings located on the southern portion of the island.
Other 2 100% exact maps are: https://www.nps.gov/elis/learn/historyculture/maps.htm and http://www.schundler.net/Ellis%20Island%20Map%20Color.pdf 
I think that it is necessary TO REPLACE the 2 wrong maps with these 2 exact maps in this beautiful and detailed page of Wiki!
Thanks for the possible correction. 02:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 wrong maps about NY/NJ territorial division. 

message: After some working days I corrected the wrong maps on this page of wiki and these are the 100% exact new maps:
https://ibb.co/qxYQqq7
https://ibb.co/wJXfkcv
Can someone to replace the wrong maps with these 2 new exact maps? Thanks. Forza NYCFC !! (talk) 19:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: They may be better than what we have but we probably need a better source. The second map you call 100% correct clearly states "Not to scale". Rmhermen (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

text: That link is to someone's essay about how GIS is being used in a real world example. It is not an official document. The image doesn't even have a claim of authorship. Who drew that map? Rmhermen (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please download them to Wikimedia Commons, where they will be archived and availble for use Djflem (talk) 20:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We still don't have a source for that map. Figure 10 does not claim to be "The EXACT, OFFICIAL and FINAL map". Perhaps we can unscramble the website name and see what journal this was published in. https://web.archive.org/web/20141018003341/http://proceedings.esri.com/library/userconf/proc99/proceed/papers/pap138/p138.htm) Rmhermen (talk) 20:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from the Environmental Systems Research Institute. It's a reliable source but it's copyrighted, so I'm not sure whether we can use it. The NPS map is public domain and already on Commons. It does seem that the current maps in the article are incorrect and need to come out. Station1 (talk) 21:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

text: , I think it would be possible. It would be preferable if these were in SVG format but that is not a requirement. This link, which you mentioned on my talk page, is a reliable source as is ESRI. Feel free to upload them to Commons and post the photos here. epicgenius (talk) 03:23, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In the meantime, I've replaced the first incorrect map with the public domain NPS map. If  is the creator of the two maps at ibb.co and uploads them to Commons, or if some other better map comes along, we can replace it. Station1 (talk) 16:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I have corrected caption to correspond with decision. Natural island was smaller.Djflem (talk) 19:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  These are the 2 exact maps of the NYC enclave in Ellis Island 

message: From the "Immigration procedures" section: "At first, the majority of immigrants arriving were Northern and Western Europeans, with the largest numbers coming from the German Empire, the Russian Empire and Finland, the United Kingdom, and Italy.[299] Eventually, these groups of peoples slowed in the rates that they were coming in, and immigrants came in from Southern and Eastern Europe, including Jews."
This suggests that Jewish immigrants were largely from Southern and Eastern Europe. In fact, the largest number came from the Russian Empire, which indeed included much of southern and eastern Europe, but vast numbers of Jews had come in the "at first" period: from places now in Lithuania, Poland and Belarus, all in the Russian Empire and definitely not in southern Europe. Will try to come up with a more felicitous expression.Roger.Lustig (talk) 17:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did they come from?