Talk:Kabyle people

message: Links to [Black Spring] point to an irrelevant article. idiotoff 19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed links but didn't check accuracy (Zepard (talk) 15:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant links 

message: i don't think that it's true that 'french' and 'algerian arabic' are kabyle's languages. must i remember you that kabyle people HATE everything how's arab(for political reasons)?And about french i must remember you that it's the language of the old colonial power,ever if a lot of kabyles know it very well.so i don't think that there's a lot of kabyles who agree with the idea that french is their own language.
Wikpedia is a incredible source of excellent informations,that's why i want to make it better.i suggest you to put only 'KABYLE' in the section 'language' of the 'kabyle people' article.i'm kabyle and this is the opinion of 99% of kabyles.
my best salutation to you, you're doing a INCREDIBLE work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.66.128.22 (talk) 11:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  language 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: I came here after reading about Zinedine Zidane, and saw what I thought was an honest mistake or some shit... If you include studies in the text they have to be cited so everyone can see the source...
What is in the article now(from Arredi...)
->"The Y chromosome is passed exclusively through the paternal line. The composition of Y Chromozome is: 48% E3b1b (E-M81), 12% E3b* (xE3b1b), 17% R1*(xR1a) and 23% F*(xH, I,J2,K) [1]. According to this study (Arredi et al.2004) the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation (including both E3b and J haplogroups) is largely of Neolithic origin which suggests that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from Africa."
"...from Africa."
To my understanding the people of N Africa were from the middle east primarily (came out of east africa spreading e3b1), where afro-ASIATIC lanugages came from and were introduced to Africa through the spread of middle easternern farmers/pastoralists during the neolithic. Anybody who has taken an Anth 101 class should know that the pastoralists came from the FERTILE CRESCENT.
I have found Arredis study abstact on google, I will cite it at the bottom.. lets see what Arredi REALLY SAYS:
->"We have typed 275 men from five populations in Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt with a set of 119 binary markers and 15 microsatellites from the Y chromosome, and we have analyzed the results together with published data from Moroccan populations. North African Y-chromosomal diversity is geographically structured and fits the pattern expected under an isolation-by-distance model. Autocorrelation analyses reveal an east-west cline of genetic variation that extends into the Middle East and is compatible with a hypothesis of demic expansion. This expansion must have involved relatively small numbers of Y chromosomes to account for the reduction in gene diversity towards the West that accompanied the frequency increase of Y haplogroup E3b2, but gene flow must have been maintained to explain the observed pattern of isolation-by-distance. Since the estimates of the times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCAs) of the most common haplogroups are quite recent, we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic-speaking pastoralists from the Middle East."
"...from the Middle East."
Didt even need to look in depth to see that it was wrong. Its obvious to me that the editor is INTENTIONALLY FALSIFYING INFORMATION AND DIDNT EDIT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS...NO WAY YOU CAN QUOTE IT ALL RIGHT EXCEPT FOR THAT ALL IMPORTANT LITTLE WORD AT THE END. Assume good faith...lol. Who knows what their motivation was, but whoever it is a dumbass peice of crap and this is why wikipedia sux balls and no professor with half a goddamn brain lets you reference wikipedia. -134.121.247.116 (talk) 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arredi et al. 2004 HE DID NOT SAY THE PASTORALISTS CAME FROM AFRICA--INTENTIONAL MISQUOTE. 

message: The article says (on 2008-12-19) : "It is interesting to note that the Nazi racialists considered the Berbers especially the Kabyle as part of the Aryan race". 
Why would that be interesting?
Interesting to whom?
Other racists? (And what is a "racialist"?)
That sentence should be deleted. There really is no need to propagate queer nazist ideology. Erik Rossini (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazism 

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message: If this section is maintained, I suggest it to be rewritten so it would describe the activity of people and not the the economy of Kabylie which has its own article where the economy can be described in details.
(Zepard (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

message: What is the source for these given numbers? It seems to me as unreliable as the one about Maghrebim, that has recently been removed due to lack of sources. According to this  and this , the Kabyle are not that abundant in the West. Not sure how reliable these sources are, but they do disagree with the sources provided here. UltimateDarkloid (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population numbers 

message: this flag is not specific to the kabylian region. defense of using it in this article
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omar2788 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabylia flag 

message: This will serve as advance notice to other interested contributors that I intend to delete most of the section entitled "Brief People's History" and replace it with a much shorter section in a more appropriate position in the History section further down.  Besides the very large number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, there are numerous problems with this section, which consists almost entirely of irrelevant, questionable or obviously incorrect information:
* irrelevant geographical and zoological information that belongs in the article on Kabylie e.g. "bears, wild bors, wolfs, monkeys, eagles and even hayens"
* a large amount of historical narrative that belongs in the existing articles on Numidia or the ancient Numidians, not here; it should be replaced by a link to those articles
* the assertion that the Vandals were also called "Geiserics"
* the assertion that the Vandals invaded North Africa as part of a "Vandal-Numidian coalition" not mentioned elsewhere in Wikipedia
* an alleged migration of 80000 people to the mountains at some unspecified period in late Antiquity
*polemical POV statements in the final paragraph that have no place in Wikipedia, e.g. "a membership into the Arab League - Source of all Algerian post-colonial ills"
Please post any concerns about this proposed deletion and replacement here.  Thank you.  Obiara (talk) 22:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandals in North Africa, in this exact region, is all over wikipedia. Not that it matters, as you cannot source wikipedia on wikipedia. Or anywhere else. But yes, that is why these people look Germanic. Obviously.112.198.83.58 (talk) 07:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Brief People's History" 

message: The following issues in this article are disputed:
* whether and how to cite available sources for the relative proportion of Muslims and Christians among the Kabyles (see Religion section above)
* the description of Christianity as the "traditional religion" of the Kabyles (see Religion section above)
* the relevance and accuracy of numerous statements in the "Brief People's History" section, enumerated above
* the accuracy of the population figures given
* the appropriateness of using the proposed "Berber flag" to represent Kabylie, a region within Algeria Obiara (talk) 22:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: "The Kabyle people are mainly Muslim with a large Christian community"« Kabyle », Encyclopædia Britannica Online, 2011 : « they are mainly Muslims with a large up rise in Christians, many Communists, and Atheists. » Consulted June 10, 2011. 
I find this additions to be of original research ,Forgery , poorly sourced and strangely worded. That's why I will revert it to : The Kabyle people are mainly Muslims with a few Christians « Kabyle », Encyclopædia Britannica Online, 2011, If you wish to challenged that, I suggest you take your complaint to the reliable sources noticeboard, but I have to tell you, they are obviously going to find it to be reliable. 
Original research :
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In addition see Extended content:
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on the other hand :
the following should be checked for original research: Recently, there has been a growing Protestant (chiefly evangelical) community.[2] Since the 19th century, there has been a large nominal Sunni Muslim community.[3] Among Kabyle Muslims, the main tradition is maraboutism,[4] a version of heterogeneous Islam mixing Sunni tradition and many Kabyle cultural elements. However, Kabyle society is known for its strong secular tradition. Religious differences play minor roles in political and social life.[citation needed]
Tommy symbol (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research in religion sections 

message: Kabyle people is a multi-religious group. There's no official census about religion in Algeria, but most of statistics give approximately 40 to 50 % of Muslims, for 20/30% of Christians and neighborhood 30/40% of unbelievers. We thus have no Muslim absolute majority. Even though it was the case, does this arbitrary categorization correspond to the will of a majority of kabyles ? Undoubtedly not. The Kabyle nation is widely secular, many Kabyles are just nominally Muslims, and the kabylo-Berber culture is rather foreign to Islam.
I would like to know what an Azeri Islamist living in Germany knows exactly about kabyles and their society ? Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, but it doesn' dispense of having a minimum of knowledges in the subjects on which we wish to contribute. It is not a game.
Besides, the category " Muslim communities " does not include either Turkish, or Iranian, or even Arab people !!!
I recommend you to create a specific article " Kabyle Muslims ", which you could include in this category, and in which you could describe in detail the customs and the specific traditions of the Muslims of Kabyle origin (what could help us to see your large knowledge of the subject). Nabilus junius (talk) 09:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Muslim" community ?? 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Kabyle people's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "S-Coon_RacesOfEurope1":
From Chaoui people: 
From Riffian people: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Kabyle people]] 

message: It was very relevant to the Kabyle people, and well-referenced.
I've just put it back.
However, I wasn't able to get the two pictures back for that part. You can choose from those:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1378460_1405727639656608_1603671122_n.jpg 
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mab3xid9771qgrypy.jpg
http://affability.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kalashyq6.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1383138_186651998185329_1008015506_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923481_574939725873448_769840794_n.jpg
Please don't delete big paragraphs without consulting.
197.200.27.97 (talk) 05:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why delete the "Physical anthropolgy" subtitle?! 

message: Why are the Vandals missing from here? Is that not the most important element that should be at the start of this wiki???112.198.83.58 (talk) 07:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals Missing 

message: I can't believe that there is an all-male race where are the pictures of females under Iqvayliyen? --Fastez (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that all these pictures of individuals should now be removed according to a new Wikipedia policy; see point 4 here and the link to "corresponding discussion": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#Images_for_the_lead Obiara (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-male race? 

message: None other than Pierre Bourdieu conducted an anthropological study about the Kabyles in the 60s. While, given its age, it might be outdated in itself, I think that it played some role in the development of Bourdieus larger sociological theory. --Mike F (talk) 13:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthropology 

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thread_title:  About the sock puppetry accusation. 

message: The topics I'm referring to are the war for independence and self-determination that succeeded Algeria's independence and the subsequent persecution of the Kabylis. If anyone has any addition, please do so. BlueLight05 (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with two sections. "War for self determination" and "Persecution". 

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message: Kabyle means tribesman it's a name giving by the Arabs who invaded north Africa to the aboriginal people (amazigh) of north Africa also called Berbers which refers to barbarian by the Romans who also invaded north Africa. amazigh or imazighen for plural 50.212.164.37 (talk) 20:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2022 

message: Hi, MSA is taught and used; the others arabic dialects is also spoken. The relative source does not specify the variants but encompasses all in Arabic. I agree to do the same. ,"Aujourd'hui, la majorité des Algériens sont arabophones dans une proportion de 72 %. Parmi les Arabophones, c'est l'arabe algérien qui dominent nettement avec 60 % de la population totale et 83,2 % des arabophones. Les autres arabophones parlent le hassaniyya (11,3 %), l'arabe marocain (0,4 %), l'arabe du Sahara (0,1 %), l'arabe égyptien, voire l'arabe irakien. Toutes les variétés d'arabe appartiennent au groupe sémitique de la famille chamito-sémitique.
Mais tous les arabophones d'Algérie parlent l'arabe dialectal ou l'arabe dit algérien (ou ses diverses variétés) pour communiquer entre eux. Autrement dit, à l'oral, c'est l'arabe algérien qui sert de langue véhiculaire, mais à l'écrit, c'est l'arabe classique." Tackclean (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) The infobox parameter is clearly about the languages that are spoken. 2) Algerians speak Algerian Arabic, they don't speak MSA with one another (this is a fact). Whether the cherry picked source specifies or not is irrelevant as there are many others that discuss the Darija. M.Bitton (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second language: Which arabic ? 

message: Hello, there were wildfires in Kabylia in 2021, mostly by arsons, causing death, home destruction and protest marches. To my mind, these informations are as legitimate as the Black spings or the Arouch movement. , , ,, ,,,, , .Talelevel (talk) 16:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabylia wildfires in 2021