Talk:Tour de France/Archive 1

message: Lance is number 1, Ulrich is 11.  How do those get chosen?
:The team of last year's winner gets the numbers 1 to 9, the team of last year's runner-up gets 11 to 19, etc. Within each team, the team leader gets the lowest number; the other numbers are given out alphabetically. (You could add this to the article, if you think that's a good idea.) -- Eugene van der Pijll 05:49, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do the riders' numbers get chosen 

message: I don't think the links to the articles about the individual tours are prominent enough. This is how the table looks now:
90	2003	Lance Armstrong	United States
91	2004	Lance Armstrong	United States
92	2005	-              	-
The number in the first column is linked to the individual tours; not really intuitive, and easily overlooked. I'd prefer something like this (even though it is a bit repetitive):
90	2003	Lance Armstrong	United States	Detailed results
91	2004	Lance Armstrong	United States	Detailed results
92	2005	-              	-            	Route
(Oh, and as you can see, I added some info on next year's tour. It's now in the section "List of overall winners", Should it perhaps be renamed to "List of all tours", or something like that?) -- Eugene van der Pijll 21:00, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to individual tours 

message: I just saw the TdF winners diagram with flags that replaced the EasyTimeline version. Of course it is not clickable like ET version, but it is neat. I will look into adding image support to EasyTimeline, hopefully later this year. -- Erik Zachte 19:00, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  EasyTimeline 

message: I changed the table of TdF winners to list the tours in reverse order, like the graphical timeline to the right of the table. In my experience, this is the common/preferred way of presenting such tables, as many readers are often more interested in the latest results (i.e. this years' and, say, a decade or two back) and only after some further reading may want to check up on earlier results and history. -- Wernher 20:58, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverse chrono-order of table 

message: Imho this article could benefit from moving stuff (terminology, etc.) to road bicycle racing. -- Phlebas 15:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much general information 

message: I added a footnote about sheltering/drafting because i thought that a casual reader of this article would not realize the significance of this. after reading the comments above on too much general information, now i wonder if this should be here or not. i think it should but of course, i am open to other's opinions. also, my explanation on drafting i feel is a little weak and perhaps could be improved by someone else. the 40% figure that i use is something i have read elsewhere but its not refrenceable. if this number is incorrect, please fix it.uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure this needs to be in the TdF article. I agree it's a very important foundation of road racing, but it's not specific to the TdF. I hope that we can get this article to the stage where people can understand the mechanics of the race and provide links to further articles to explain the mechanics of racing itself. -- (M4rk 10:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're omitting entire from TdF, do link it; it's an important racing innovation, & N just road cycling. Cf NASCAR.  -- Trekphiler 18:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote on drafting 

message: I built furhter on a paragraph that someone else started about mountain stages in the ordinary stage section. in it, i said that all the famous stages (except for Champs-Elysées) are mountain stages. i based this on my following the tour de france since 2000 and noticing this fact. if i am wrong, please correct. -- uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountain stages