Talk:Australian hip hop

message: Surely Sound Unlimited deserve a mention here?  They had an album release and a couple of hit singles back in the early 1990's.  --Robert Merkel 02:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just fixed it. When I did the edit, the line about 1200 Techniques was for some reason at the end of the article, so I just moved it to the right spot. I presume at the time the HH line was written it was true, so I've now just changed it to saying that they were the first, instead of the only. pfctdayelise 01:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Why don't you be bothered? It's a wiki, anyone can edit it. You make up this decent info and put it in. And by decent I presume you mean verifiable factual content, not stuff that sounds like it came from a press-release. pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound unlimited 

message: * User:203.82.183.147: I will continue to remove the claim that most tracks continue to be downloaded and distributed as MP3's until a source is provided for it. How do you know this? Claims should be verifiable.
* From User:141.168.55.124's edit, I removed this:
Australian hip hop as a musical genre has had slow-forming roots over the past few decades. As early as the 1970's, Australian artists were beginning to experiment with more lyrically-driven musical forms, though still markably different from our contemporary understanding of hip hop. Nigel Butterley's First Day Covers (1972) is an early example of intergrated spoken word with musical forms and popular themes, though often overlooked for its satirical edge (due mainly to the influence of Barry Humphries). A decade later, Fabian Cool's solo release Not Without My Microphone (1982), despite being classified as Gospel Music, was and is still widely regarded as a critical step in the domestic evolution of hip hop. Fabian Cool's later work with Frangipani And The Floating Circus of Lights would also craft the Australian hip hop scene further.
as well as the other references to Frangipani And The Floating Circus Of Lights, which is currently at AfD.
* User:203.94.130.237 made a useful formatting edit, which I put back in.
Anonymous users, please consider using a Wikipedia account. It makes life a lot easier, both for you and for us. There are lots of benefits. pfctdayelise 01:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted material 

message: Where should Butterfingers go in the article? They have had lots of exposure on Triple J. there does not appear to be an associated list of artists. Paul foord 11:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butterfingers 

message: Stop editing your crap drama into this article. It isnt funny.
This article is rubbish, what is with the continued reference to race? Surely this is not like the formation of North American hip hop, as some of you like to think.--58.173.0.224 (talk) 13:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ozhiphop.com 

message: I completely reworked the article adding a lot of headings, section breaks, and a small amount of new content mainly on the most commercially successful band (which has nothign to do with the size of it, unlike User: Redevilbatcave seems to beleive) the Hilltop Hoods - as they are prominent in the genre and were lacking a mention. However much of the article (including what I added) still lacks verifiablility, sources for opinions expressed, or is original research, such as my contributions. I'm going to flag thi article as lacking in sources in references, and perhaps someone else can help find some. I prefer to attempt to find sources for insourced information before making mass removals - but at the moment i'm much too tired to do so, especially after spending an hour working on the article. I put this comment at both ends of the talk page as i'm not sure whether up or down is firsat or last :/ Revoranii 15:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reworked the Article

message: This was deleted from the page, tho no notes as to why - which is weird since Little Nobody was an early Melbourne artist working with hip hop beats and grooves from 1997, and The Age review from 2000 specifically refers to this. Have reintroduced the artist, but please let me know if any reason why he should be removed. Cheers muchly.(Nina phunsta 14:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Little Nobody reference

message: I can't believe that there isn't an article on Katalyst on wikipedia - any body want to give it a shot?09:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Katalyst (musician)|Katalyst]]

message: South West Syndicate (formed 1992) should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't believe that South West Syndicate should be included/mentioned - needs to be notable (there should at least be an article created on the band first).  Actually there are a number of groups that have been included on the list that should be removed until they have their own separate article (justifying their notability) Dan arndt (talk) 08:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  South West Syndicate 

message: MC Opi is a UK born West African/Irish dance hall artist and was not a hip hop artist. She was around in the late 80s and early 90s, she has worked and/or performed with alternative rock musicians, vocalists and reggae artists internationally eg. Massive Attack, Christine Anu, Wicked Beats Sound System, The Grid, DJ Joe 90, Emphat Majuru, Lucky Dube and others. She should be included in the wiki for dance hall in Australia or the UK, although she was a prominent figure in the early 90s Australian hip hop scene as she produced the ABC radio national documentary 'Women on the Rhyme' which presented female hip hop and dance hall artists in Australia and internationally, this documentary featured Australian hip hop artist Charlene from Def Wish Cast. 
She was also a reporter and music journalist for SBS TV's music shows 'The Noise' and 'MCTVEE',she interviewed the Beastie Boys, Lucky Dube, Dr Alban and others.
MC Opi has both an English and African name, Opi is an abbreviation of her African name Oparabea, but in respect MC's should be known as their MC name not by their full names, unless they themselves use it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.69.14 (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled: MC Opi 

message: I can't believe that Phinesse isn't listed, they have toured with 50 Cent, Omarion, Fat Man Scoop, Naught by nature. They are also touring with Akon and T-Pain on the Konvict Tour in October 2009.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bensational (talk) 00:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Phinesse]]

message: "As a result, it is hard to pinpoint what in Australian hip hop makes the hip hop Australian."
Honestly, this has to be one of the worst sentences I've ever seen on wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by U4418327 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  who wrote the 'Style' section? 

message: I just saw STB (Skippy the Butcher) was added to the notable artists list. I did a search and it seems to have been added by their promo person - same name is posting their songs/links on other boards. I'm removing it. if I/someone can find more references we can add it back in (apart from a gig in late 80s supporting run dmc - I don't think one gig makes you notable? even if from the early days?) 
http://www.mp3.com.au/Forms/ArtistProfile.aspx?ProfileId=278978 mentions: "The band would be described as "Alternative industrial pop"." 
(then later) "the bands sound was evolving into something more funky and they were more and more influenced by hip hop"
"They played through 1987 and 1988, supporting Run DMC on their ’88 Australian tour. In October they recorded the “Full Blown Rap” Demo, but by December it was all over for the last Skippy the Butcher"
Kathodonnell (talk) 00:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: this notable artists list keeps getting changed. I'm tempted to just remove it and we only add people back in if there's lots of references for them as being notable? it's very subjective otherwise Kathodonnell (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed * The Bumblebeez. I noticed someone added lyrical commission / brad strut /trem. I think they are notable though they don't seem to have a WP page. I'll see if I can find some articles on them and do a page for them Kathodonnell (talk) 02:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable list 

message: I've done a Trove search on archived websites for "Australian hip hop", see here. I don't say these are necessarily reliable sources but some of the 234 sites should provide further usable information for this article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Trove search

message: I am not sure who is writing this history, but not all of this is correct. There also seems to be representatives of some of the hip hop artists, deleting other notable hip hop artists achievements. I am going to speak to a few people back in the early mid 80s who know it's history and rework this history to be inclusive of all Australian Hip Hop artists with significant recognition because who ever reworked this, is not presenting the all the historical facts. PMandley 10:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled: not all correct 

message: I have created an article for MC Opi aka Opi Nelson, which is waiting to be reviewed by wiki.  SteehanMalone (talk) 17:07, 18 August 2014 (GMT)
The 2012 Deadly Awards had a category for hip hop artist of the year. Paul foord (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indigenous hip hop artist of the year at The Deadly Awards 

message: removed this from Online section Nuerahiphop is a network of social media channels which has an ongoing updated and archived selection of latest Australian Hip Hop releases including singles, albums, mixtapes and music videos. this is promotional - I couldn't find any secondary sources writing about the site Kathodonnell (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This content was later restored and I have removed it today, in addition to addressing the other promotional content in the "Online" section. I will keep an eye on this page from now on.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just removed this again - they're certainly persistent! Jellyman (talk) 20:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuerahiphop 

message: another problem I see with the article (there's many) is that it only mentions the music. there's other parts to hip hop (even Australian hip hop) eg breakdancing, turntablism, graf etc. this article only mentions the music (as a genre). not sure whether to add the other sections here or make another 'hip hop in Australia' type article? Kathodonnell (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think adding sections here on breakdancing, turntablism, graf etc would make the article better. I've been trying to help the article by adding more general details, sourced information, etc. I think it suffers from extremely narrow focus and I think adding what you've suggested with appropriate references would help correct that.Heisoutofsight (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  other components of hip hop 

message: I removed the "Regional scenes" content from the Infobox today, as scenes now exist throughout Australia, so it is inaccurate to solely focus upon Sydney and Melbourne.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional scenes no longer relevant 

message: It would be beneficial if someone could source an updated image for the radio section. Maybe of Sanchez from Adelaide's Fresh FM?--Soulparadox (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated image for the Radio section? 

message: I will also send messages to the actual editors, but copyeditors need to refrain from using this page as a promotional tool. I understand the "rebellious" nature of the culture, but there are many other suitable forums for such activity that will actually have a broader impact. For example, graffiti art and music writing/production. Thanks. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuous inclusion of personal promotion/tastes, rather than encyclopedic editing 

message: Is it really appropriate to include Iggy Azalea in an article about Australian hip hop? Other than where she was born and grew up, nothing about her career and fame is Australian. I'll refer to part of the opening paragraph:
"Australian hip hop continues to develop as a diverse musical genre with a distinct Australian personality"
That describes acts like Hilltop Hoods, Illy, Bliss N Eso, 360, and so on, but it hardly describes Azalea. She's made it known multiple times she doesn't want to be associated with Australia or the Australian Hip Hop scene, she's not lived here for a number of years, all her fame and collaborations have been arranged through and done with overseas, primarially US based recording artists, her albums have all been recorded in the US, her style is much like an American rapper, her lyrics don't have any real Australian themes to them, she doesn't even sing with an Australian accent. I think for this reason her inclusion in this list isn't desirable, and I would personally suggest her name be removed, because she isn't what this article is about.
Basically my point is this article is about Australian Hip Hop as a genre, which Azalea is not a part of as opposed to hip hop artists who happen to be from Australia.49.181.14.150 (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a fair point, but you need to provide citations for your claims, such as media articles, where you have sourced this information. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 07:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iggy Azalea 

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message: I made an edit today that expanded the indigenous hip hop section. I didn't add references, as all of the information is readily available (ie whether an artist is notable or not, and whether an artist is indigenous Australian). I didn't make any claims that would infringe BLP standards or any other Wikipedia rules. The main objective of my edit was to show that there are more notable indigenous hip hop artists than the article previously reflected. I didn't expect my edit to be rapidly reverted and belive this was done in haste and without much consideration. Many of the artists I included, written in NPOV prose, have their own Wikipedia articles already and they were wikilinked. I'd add them again, but don't want to start an edit war over this. Thoughts? --Danimations (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanded indigenous section