Talk:Sinmiyangyo/Archive 1

message: At least the second paragraph of this article is copied verbatim from http://www.shinmiyangyo.org and I suspect the rest of the article is copied from somewhere else on the net.  Should we delete the entry or just blank it? —Frecklefoot 17:09, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: 2nd Paragraph

message: The citations do not provide publisher, or the author. It's very vague. Could anybody fix that? Thanks. (Wikimachine 16:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: The text needs to be copy-edited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kdammers (talk • contribs) 06:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: *Google Web in 1st 30 results for Sinmiyangyo
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::*Also: US Aggression in 1871
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::*Marine amphibious landing in Korea, 1871 
*Google Web in 1st 30 results for US Aggression of Korea 1871
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- These are mostly Korean tourist websites, written in bad English. Is that the standard we should adopt?--Niohe 00:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit of research again today into the name variants and similarly found that "Sinmiyangyo" was the only established name for this conflict. None of the English descriptive names for Sinmiyangyo are well-defined and would certainly pose searchability problems.  Pinkville 23:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *'Comment - Oh geez, what am I hearing? I thought that we were supposed to stick to English names in English Wikipedia. And I have to explain why? This is such a waste of time.--Niohe 11:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Search Results

message: * Support. - OK. Now, I formally request a move of this page to US Naval Expedition to Korea 1871. --Amban 23:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment - This is a red herring. WP:UE#Borderline_cases refers to places and people, not events.--Amban 19:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Reply - The guideline in its entirety refers to names for Wikipedia articles, explicitly listing person, country, town, film, book, or video game but giving no indication that the "subjects" of Wikipedia articles that the guideline covers should exclude events, or any other subject type. Pinkville 21:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: *Oppose - Unnecessary addition of non-English name, which has weak support in secondary sources.--Amban 01:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''keep [[:Sinmiyangyo]]'''

message: *Korean Expedition
#Oppose. Ridiculously vague. -- Hoary 05:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''move to expedition'''

message: *United States 1871 campaign in Korea
#Oppose because of its length. -- Hoary 07:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''move to campaign'''

message: *US-Korean conflict of 1871
#Support - clear enough, but options above may be preferable  --Reuben 21:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''move to others'''

message: :just an idea, as I find both "expedition" and "campaign" to fall somewhat short of neutrality. -- Visviva 02:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. "Expedition" and "campaign" may imply some sort of western imperialism where the western scouts explore into the deep uncivilized jungles of the west. (Wikimachine 02:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, this was a clearcut example of an aggressive action by the US... Korea was a sitting duck, so to speak. Pinkville 11:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is far better than Sinmiyangyo, but not very well established in the literature. As for neutrality, I don't really see how expedition and campaign would fail in neutrality. It's just two words that indicate that one country is sending troops to another. We can deal with the question who was the aggressor in the article.--Amban 13:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
While there may be a general desire to move the page to a different title, until that new title can be agreed upon, such a move cannot be considered to embody the consensus. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 13:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[US-Korean conflict of 1871]]