Talk:Human rights in Greece

message: Francis are you on a mission here? This is getting ridiculous. --Avg 21:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a mission to improve coverage of Human rights issues on Wikipedia? Then sure I'm on a mission — well, not really a mission, more like a short sojourn. What other kind of mission would I be on? And explain exactly what is ridiculous about this article (apart from the paltry size for such a large issue). - FrancisTyers 21:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is ridiculous (and infuriating if you ask me, but that's me) that you start the article by saying "Greece has been accused of varying degrees of human rights abuses" blah blah, as if Greece is a third world country with no respect to human rights whatsoever. The article should obviously start by putting things in perspective, namely stating that Greece is a DEVELOPED country with a VERY GOOD human rights record and praised for it by the international community. See the point? And then, of course you can mention your issues. You're just pushing your POV fanatically, this is what I see.--Avg 21:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies if it appears that I am pushing any kind of "POV". I searched for "greek human rights" in Google and just made the article out of the first stuff I came up with. None of it mentioned Greece being praised, incidentally. I have added an introduction taken partially from the Human rights in Romania article which I hope allays some of your concerns. I will work on a more comprehensive introduction shortly. - FrancisTyers 21:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is a collaborative effort after all, so I shouldn't direct my criticism to you. I can edit what I don't like and then you can edit what you don't like and so on. My guess is that in some days (or weeks or months, I don't know), this article will reach a good and mutually acceptable level.--Avg 21:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool :) - FrancisTyers 21:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And since we both live in the UK, see what I mean: Human rights in the United Kingdom. This seems the way to go. It is more appropriate to compare Greece with another EU country and since I've lived in both countries for quite a few years, let me tell you that there are issues where the UK is far worse than Greece.  --Avg 21:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, don't get me wrong I totally agree. The government of the UK are largely criminals — unfortunately that is a minority position :( Not only do we export our bad record on human rights to other countries, cf. Iraq, but we do it at home too, cf. Northern Ireland. I think that article could do with expanding too. Its been on my watchlist a while, but I keep getting distracted into other things... - FrancisTyers 22:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not seeing any praise from Amnesty...  - FrancisTyers 21:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This one from HRW is fair and I consider these actual and serious issues (by the way do you see Macedonians even mentioned? This should tell something to you, I hope) . --Avg 22:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Super ultra comprehensive: The State Department's report for 2005 (latest):--Avg 22:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, thats a good report. They mention Macedonians/Macedonian issues ten times, and corroborate most of what was written in Amnesty. I'll probably take that source over to Ethnic minorities in Greece, I'd like to avoid getting too much of the Human rights stuff bogged down over there though. I was hoping for it just to be an introduction to the topic. Specific human rights issues can go here. - FrancisTyers 23:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I've actually read the whole report and not only scanned for the word Macedonia but you're welcome to take it wherever you want. I believe the phrasing of the report is excellent in terms of NPOV. It does present the issues but does not use hard verbs. If only the phrasing here was the same. --Avg 23:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: User:P m kocovski has been adding this to a number of articles, in an apparent POV push. I have removed it accordingly until it is properly summarized and referenced. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 08:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, i did add it to 2 articles. I did not mean for it to be a point of veiw push but it should be found as a whole on possibly one article and summarized on the others as you have done kekrops. That is a good point.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by P m kocovski (talk • contribs) 06:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to be pedantic, but I summarised it ;-). BalkanFever 09:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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