Talk:List of surviving veterans of World War I/Archive 4

message: Hi all. I've been thinking that since there are so few remaining veterans and that they are so important, it would be nice if we could get them up to as high a quality as possible - B class, Good Article, A class, maybe even Featured Article. Most likely, with a little work, Henry Allingham has the greatest potential to become a Featured Article, which would be nice if it happened. More realistically though, I think if we have the time we should work on bringing the articles up to code. This is, of course, a lot more difficult (at least for us English speakers) for the veterans from non-English speaking countries, but it would be nice to do what we can for all of them.
Anyhow, what I really need your help with is John Babcock. I've rewritten his article not yet well enough for A-class, but I think I've covered every criteria for a Good Article but one: an image. There's a great hi-res one here, but unfortunately I don't think Canadian government works are public domain, like US ones. Anyhow, I posted this here because I'm hoping to catch the attention of a more image savvy Wikipedian with an interest in the subject. Does anyone know of a free image or have contacts to get permission for a non-free one? Or better yet, if anyone's met with him and has a personal photo that they'd like to release. I'd like to improve the John Babcock further, but it's sort of pointless to add more information without at least one image. Anyhow, if anyone can help, let me know. I watch this page if you want to reply here. Canadian Paul 00:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I guess we're starting by nominating the entire list to FA status! I sincerely hope that it makes it, but I think that a lot of editors will be opposed to it. Don't get your hopes up too much. In fact, it might not have been such a great idea to bring this list to big attention, because I can see experienced editors poking holes in it. William Olin and Orin Peterson are unreferenced. When they check the sources, they'll notice that Raymond Cambefort could be construed as original research. I'll do whatever I can to help out but, if we want any chance of this being featured, we have to keep cool and civil heads, accept criticism and, above all, back up all concerns with Wikipedia policy. Canadian Paul 07:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't mind them poking holes, it isn't a problem if it results in a better article. I put this article up as a Featured List because it is difficult to see how it could be anything but a FL, it doesn't constitute a article and the FL has less of a threshold. Mind you if you see some of the FLs that go through it would make you wonder if this doesn't succeed (post tidying). It's a good a time as any, straight away after a snowball AfD keep, which obviously had a good deal of support from people that don't contribute to the article in any way. Like you though I'm not rating our chances that highly; however I'm on holiday so have the time to address (most) matters. RichyBoy 08:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I'm not so sure if it should have been promoted to Featured Article - I suspect that could be removed as it's only the FLC process which has garnered comments, we shall see. RichyBoy 11:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality of Surviving Veteran Articles 

message: The actual page is http://www.genarians.com/WWI%20Veterans.html. There are photos of all but three veterans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.114.211.143 (talk • contribs) 
:All but one actually: Kästner. Canadian Paul 18:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable of course. I'm not entirely surprised. There's obviously different attitudes to both World Wars in Germany. Cheers, CP 16:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the address for the Genarians website, please? 

message: Today I stopped by J. Russell Coffey's nursing home to deliver him a card for his 109th birthday. I live only 38 miles (61 kilometers) from his residence so it is not to much of a drive. He is much less communicative than he was last year, probably medicated to keep him asleep except for feeding, nursing, and occasionally being read to by the nurses. The nurse pushing his wheelchair to the lunchroom took the birthday card and promised to read it to him later as he was almost completely unresponsive at that time. Inspite of his near vegetative state the nurse said that he is in generally good health. While I doubt that he will live another year and become a SuperCentenarian, you just never know. By the way, the "J." in his name stands for "James", as that is what it says on the door of his room in the nursing home.  JeepAssembler 19:09, 1 September 2007
:Odd: I had found "John" for it online a couple of months ago. Extremely sexy 13:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And now 2 months in a row! Let's hope it continues...DerbyCountyinNZ 22:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  J. Russell Coffey update 

message: This claim, as all others, must be rigorously validated. But given the facts that several hundred thousand Africans must have been mobilized for WW1 (between 3.3 mil and 4.9 mil total British colonial subjects throughout the world were mobilized, for example) and that serious fighting did take place on that continent (most notably in the Tanganyika/Mozambique theater) then at least some besides the lone South African case on these pages should have been alive after January 1st, 1999. JeepAssembler 19:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What claim exactly, my dear friend? Extremely sexy 13:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last African Veteran? 

message: Greetings,
Just in case any of this was missed, from Apr 3 2007 on the World's Oldest People message board:
Re: Remaining WWI veterans re-check 
Greetings,
I can confirm that as of today the 7 WWI veterans living in Italy are
alive. All of them are reported in stable conditions, except for
Alberto Agazzi, who has presently a severe renal failure and will
probably hospitalized today.
I don't have any information about the 2 italian veterans living in
France.
Also find below a brief summary of the military service of each
veteran (info not available for Serioli and Bertolami)
These informations have been provided by Alessandro Vanni, a
researcher on First World War events.
PONTICELLI Lazzaro 07/12/1897
military corps: Foreign Legion (France) (1914-15);
3° regiment "Alpini" (Italy) (1917-18),
battles: Monte Pal Piccolo e Monte Cucco 1917-18 (in Italy)
TUVERI Giustino 15/05/1898
152° regiment infantry (Brigata Sassari),
Altopiano di Asiago (Col del Rosso) 1917-18
BORRONI Delfino 23/08/1898
14° regiment "Bersaglieri" (IV Brigata)
Pasubio e Caporetto 1917
CHIARELLO Domenico Francesco 05/11/1898
68° regiment infantry (Brigata Palermo),
Albania 1918
AGAZZI Alberto 30/01/1899
Artillery
Monte Grappa (?) 1917-18
COSTANZO Pasquale 21/05/1899
119° regiment infantry (Brigata Emilia),
Monte Grappa (?) 1917-18
CARTA Giovanni Antonio 28/12/1899
151° regiment infantry (Brigata Sassari),
Altopiano di Asiago (Col del Rosso) e Piave 1917-18
Best regards
Giovanni Alunni
Some of the above information might be used, for example, if an article were made for Pasquale Costanzo.
Ryoung122 18:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian service info

message: ______________________________________ Unverified WWI veteran claims - I noticed that we still have the Unverified French veteran listed, because he wishes to remain anonymous.  Earlier this year it was brought to our attention that there was a United States WWI veteran that wishes to remain anonymous. Shouldn't we also add him to the listing. (PershinBoy)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.114.211.143 (talk) 17:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous Veterans

message: Greetings,
I don't like the below infoboxes because they use the word 'allegiance' which is POV:
Claude Choules 
March 3, 1901 – 
Place of birth  Pershore, Worcestershire, England 
Allegiance  British
 Australian 
Service/branch Royal Navy
Royal Australian Navy 
Years of service 1916 – 1956 
Rank Acting Torpedo Officer, Fremantle
Chief Demolition Officer 
Battles/wars World War I
World War II 
Note, for example, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in 'pledging allegiance'. Not only that, but we have persons like William Seegers who only served tepidly/because they had to. 'Nationality' is less POV; it is simply a descriptor.Ryoung122 23:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I commented on this on Harry Richard Landis' talk page. I provided a link there where you can bring your case and a rationale as to why I reverted your change for now. Cheers, CP 16:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change 'allegiance' to 'nationality'

message: Sources close to Dr. Anton Bohdal´s family confirm he is a World War I veteran. He served in a supplies unit from his graduation in May 1918 until November 1918. This is confirmed by "Österreichisches Staatsarchiv - Kriegsarchiv" (austrian national archiv - military archiv) which states that men born in 1900 were drafted.
(unsigned comment)
Ok, if this is true, then e-mail me copies of the records:
robertdouglasyoung@yahoo.com
Or you can choose another expert. But don't simply add unsourced, anonymous IP edits.Ryoung122 23:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Anton Bodhal (again)

message: Greetings,
The Sept 25 2007 list of French persons aged 108+ still had the anonymous WWI veteran on the list, indicating that he is probably still alive. Ryoung122 23:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French update

message: Is there for all veterans born in September a sign that they are live a.ka. celebrated their birthday?
Statistician 27.09.2007 0:04 (CET)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.165.235.203 (talk) 22:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday updates 

message: Does anyone think he should be listed as a 'WWI-era' veteran? Comments welcome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Keating
Ryoung122 16:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but William Seegers wasn't 18 years old, and he was drafted in June 1918 (born Oct 1900). Note we've also heard that those 17 and older were eligible for the draft. So, I do recommend checking again with some of the youngest German cases (born late 1900/early 1901). Note we have Italian, US, British vets from this time period...why not German as well?Ryoung122 08:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dan Keating 1902-2007

message: According to the latest SSDI update, Orin M. Peterson died on August 24th 2007 in Spokane. His birthdate is listed as Febr. 27th 1900.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=&gsln=&=&f9=27&f8=Feb&f10=1900&f6=24&f5=Aug&f7=2007&f1=&f15=&f14=&f13=&f12=&f20=&f0=&prox=1&db=ssdi&ti=0&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=rfs&gst=&so=3
I have not been able to find an obituray for him, anyone else?
Sincerely, TB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.60.105.198 (talk) 18:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Orin Peterson death

message: http://it.notizie.yahoo.com/adnkxml/20071006/tit-sardegna-morto-a-109-anni-ultimo-sol-afde0ec_1.html
Ryoung122 22:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that was rather tasteless. it's not a contest.Czolgolz 15:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Justin Tuveri death

message: I read that someone wrote that Boris Efimov was drafted into the Kiev Red Army during the October Revolution. If this really is true then he was or is (Don't know if he's still alive) a World War 1 Veteran since the October Revolution was before the signing of the Brest-Litovsk Treaty which oficially ended Russia's participation in WW1. Only if he or anyone else were drafted into the Russian Army after March 5th, 1918 should they be classified as WW1 era. As for the belief that the Bolsheviks immediately ceased hostilities with the Central Powers upon seizing control I will remark that a cease-fire must be a two way street. The Germans, Austro-Hungarians, and to a lesser extent Ottomans continued their military movements against Russia after the October Revolution; determined to take the Ukraine with it's vast farmland to feed their troops. In fact, the Germans demanded so much territory from Russia that some of the Bolshevik leadership began to favor resuming hostilities with what little military power they still had at their disposal. Only after Lenin promised Leon Trotsky the position of Commisar of War for the impending civil war against the counter-revolutionary white armies did Trotsky and some of the others in the Bolshevik high command agree to accept the German territorial demands. Of course all of this depends on whether or not Boris Efimov really was in the military at all. With 12,000,000 Russians mobilized for WW1 and no doubt millions more for the chaos following the revolutions (February and October) as well as the 1920 war with Poland it would seem that some Russian veterans from that time period would still be alive; inspite of Russia's and other ex-Soviet Republics comparatively low life expectancies. JeepAssembler 18:11, 7 October 2007
Boris Efimov is not an easy case. We discussed this case often before (see archives) and we don't find a claim in newspapers and thinks like that. When I'm remembering correctly he fleed with his family for the red army.
Statistician, 09:18 (CET) 08.10.2007 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boris Efimov 

message: Almost three months ago I made several posts on this page about how there should have been several thousand more names of WW1 Vets whom had died since Jan. 1st, 1999 than are actually on the lists. One of the replies which I got stated that some of the nations involved in WW1 officially claimed to have had no veterans left over from that conflict still alive by 1999. I would like to know which nations those would be. I have some ideas: Montenegro (which was so tiny it could only mobilize 50,000 troops and which entered the war at the very beginning so it's troops would have been a bit older on average than those from nations which entered the war later). Liberia and Panama (both of which were similarly dimunitive and only entered after the U.S.A. did, probably to assist in the shipping of American equipment). If I remember correctly Guatemala, Cuba, and Uruguay also declared war on Germany after the U.S.A. did; but I can't imagine any of them having been able to mobilize enough troops to ensure a realistic probability of any still being alive at the end of the 20th century. I would appreciate a response as I am very curious about this subject. Thanks. JeepAssembler 05:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nations with no living WW1 Veterans as of January 1st, 1999? 

message: I would like to thank whoever discovered the additional 32 Italian World War 1 Veterans who died in 2004. While it is probably impossible to know every WW1 Vet who died on or after January 1st, 1999; getting the lists as complete as possible form 2004 or 2005 onwards (at which time national media's began covering the subject) will allow the use of mathematical models for yearly mortality rates to be applied so one can "work backward" and reasonably estimate how many would still have been alive at a particular date. I am beginning to think that only about 6,000 total from around the world were still alive on Jan. 1st, 1999; not 10,000 as I had previously estimated. JeepAssembler 06:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A special thanks 

message: I wonder if it would be possible to get a list of the 20 oldest men living in Japan at the beginning of 2005 and cross referencing their names for military service during World War 1. JeepAssembler 06:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A long-shot idea 

message: In April, 2006 I read a tablulation from the U.S.A. Veterans Administration on surviving veterans of wars (Spanish-American through Korea) through the month of July, 1959. It stated that only 71,000 of the 2,778,000 then estimated living U.S. WW1 veterans were between 50 and 59 years old. An age of 59 years and 11 months in July, 1959 would yield a birth month of August, 1899. That was only 2.6% of the total; I don't know about the percentages in european nations but it seems as if a very small portion of World War One service personnel were born in 1900 or later. Maybe there simply aren't any more still alive to be discovered. JeepAssembler 00:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last age group of service 

message: 28 march 1899-1 october 2007
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/regions/cotesarmor/bernard-delaire-le-doyen-des-bretons-decede-108-ans-20071003-1709732_1065858.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.4.252.143 (talk • contribs) 
Could someone possibly translate the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.36.152 (talk) 18:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that, originally, Mr. Laurent Toussaint of France had located two 'new' French WWI veterans, Rene Riffaud and Francois Jaffre. The French government 'took credit' for the find and failed to give credit where credit was due. In response, Mr. Toussaint decided to 'hold back' on the remaining cases he had, including Louis Lagaurnadie, Raymond Guay, and Bernard Delaire. He indicated to me a plan to 'announce' a 'surviving French WWI veteran' after the French authorities had announced the death of the 'last' veteran. However, it seems that plan didn't work, as Louis de Cazenave and Lazare Ponticelli have been holding on for quite some time. Further muddling the picture was the discovery of Raymond Cambefort (which the media spilled the beans on, so to speak). However, with the deaths of Lagaurnadie in 2006, Guay in Jan 2007, Justin Tuveri (Italian veteran living in France) this month and Bernard 'X' as well, the picture is now much clearer for France: we have three known veterans left. If there is anyone else, I do not know of them. (However, I am told there is one anonymous U.S. veteran left).Ryoung122 23:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one don't have any doubt that Jeanne Calment met Van Gogh. The story is documentable and not particularly unbelievable, either. Often, we think too much of 'celebrity.' Hey, I've seen lots of celebrities, often by accident. I saw Senator Max Cleland on the streets of Atlanta. I've waited tables for Jeff Foxworthy and Brett Butler and Chris Chandler and seen Tom Glavine at the same restaurant. This is, of course, different from meeting governor Roy Barnes (an intentional meeting) or governor Mitch Daniels. Those were scheduled meetings. But often in life, our paths incidentally cross with other 'noted' persons. Hey, everybody is somebody. Jeanne lived in Arles; Van Gogh lived in Arles.Ryoung122 11:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes, of course celebrities are just normal people, and Van Gogh wasn't noted when he was alive. Perhaps she met Gaugin too, but then he wasn't so 'distinctive'. Captain celery 20:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: So was Orin Peterson the "anonymous" American, who did serve before the Armistice after all then? Extremely sexy 18:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still not known? Extremely sexy 23:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bernard Delaire 

message: Greetings, On Nov 1 2007 Henry Allingham broke the record for the oldest man to serve in the British forces. The record of 111 years 146 days had been held by the last Boer War veteran since 1993 or earlier. George Ives died in Canada. Ryoung122 17:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, should we really be wishing for the deaths of others? and Tanabe appears to be in great shape, I wouldn't hold my breath. Ryoung122 05:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No: that's allowed, and thank you. Extremely sexy 15:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find it over here in fact. Extremely sexy 15:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It's my pleasure though and it definitely is. Extremely sexy 21:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Henry Allingham breaks UK record

message: So did that Finnish guy die?  He needs to be placed in the 2007 deaths section. Czolgolz 00:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted those edits until we get a source.  David Underdown 09:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Morning All if you look at this, http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/3944-viimeinen-vapaussoturi-lennart-ronnback-kuoli-102-vuotiaana it looks like an obituary, and having run it through a translator programme, it comes out pretty garbled, but appears to give a date of 4th Nov. Just thought some-one else should have a look before I make any changes. Thanks SRwiki 10:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably right - anyone know a Finnish speaker on en.wikipedia?  David Underdown 11:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Finnish Vet

message: Morning All, just thought you would like to know that the BBC has had a series of short interviews with 5 of the surviving UK vets (no Glady Powers I'm afraid) running this week with the last one tonight, if you dig round on BBC.co.uk you can find them there. SRwiki 09:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the link. Thanks for pointing this out! Cheers, CP 16:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Final Few on BBC website 

message: Greetings, User Brown-Haired Girl has waged a campaign to wipe out the entire 'supercentenarians' field on Wikipedia. This has included:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_November_1#Category:Supercentenarian_trackers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Young_%28longevity_claims_researcher%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Epstein_%28supercentenarian_tracker%29
And, even, a man dead over 100 years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thoms
I find it incredulous that one would attack even the man who invented the term 'folklore' and started the field of 'supercentenarian tracking.'
Such mass hysteria seems to be working. User BHG is one of the top-10 editors by edit count on Wikipedia and has lots of friends. I can't imagine most WWI veteran articles surviving if this trend continues. I do urge everyone who considers tracking the oldest-old, whether WWI vets or no, to chime in on these debates.
Sincerely,
Robert Young
Ryoung122 16:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, Robert, I take it you asked all of them yourself, right? Extremely sexy 23:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merging isn't the end of the world, but they like to say DELETE and rub it in. Then they post messages to their friends (canvassing) to notify that 'user X' is 'canvassing' (very hypocrital). I feel like Mel Gibson in Braveheart. So, I go to the execution/torture table and remember the line: FREEDOM is more important than kissing the (behind) of the powers that be.Ryoung122 09:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Are the Oldest-Old or Final Few notable?

message: I think that if there are really anymore undiscovered WW1 and WW1 era vets they would most likely be from the Russian and Austro-Hungarian armed forces; since both of those empires mobilized huge forces and seem to be under-represented on the survivors and deaths pages. Also, both had constituent parts involved in wars shortly after the armistice; Hungary vs. Czechoslovakia and Romania in 1919 and Russia against Poland in 1920; furthermore, Russia had a Civil War and uprisings between 1918 and 1921. I know that the territories comprising these former empires are not noted for longevity and that they were devastated in WW2 and also between the World War's (especiaaly in the case of the U.S.S.R., with forced industrialization and colllectivization of agriculture). Nonetheless, the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires and their successor states between them mobilized about 25,000,000 troops between 1914 and 1921. And perhaps most importantly, what were only two countries at the beginning of 1917 had become twenty-five with the break-ups of the Soviet Union, northern Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia in the early 1990's; meaning that plenty of records could have been lost or destroyed.JeepAssembler 19:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If There are Really Anymore Still Alive 

message: Hard to believe that 89 years after the end of the war, there's still combat veterans alive. Czolgolz 21:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Happy Armistice Day!

message: http://ludlowfuneralhome.com/obituary.aspx?MemberId=32652
Died on the 6th of October. Haven't added him to the deaths, because I always had my doubts about his status as an era-vet. Aarne Arvonen served whilst the War was still ongoing, Bisaro and Taggart signed up 'just after', Matthews at least got in before the TofV, and Rex is a disputed case. The only criteria for inclusion that Munger could fulfil is that he is considered a WW1 vet by government and/or press. All other era vets seem to have joined up in 1919 at the latest, but he did so in 1920 when the war was well and truly over. This seems to be reflected by the lack of coverage at his passing. It's not as if he chose to be anonymous. He had anonymity thrust upon him. Captain celery (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stillman Munger

message: Interesting article giving information on his war service:
http://nz.entertainment.yahoo.com/071110/8/2dcn.html
86.129.71.142 (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stanislaw Wycech & Kowalski 

message: In looking at this list as it slowly dwindles - which I suspect may still take a few years yet, my mind turns to the next major conflict that effected the Western World. Which, to my mind is the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939). Incidentally, it started on my birthday (July 17th, 1936), so it is of particular interest to me. In looking at the Spanish Civil War page here on Wikipedia I've noticed that there is not a similar page of surviving veterans for that conflict - although surely there can't be thousands of them still left? (Or maybe there is?) I'd be interested to know from one of the statisticians who visits these pages (JeepAssembler?) how many veterans it could be estimated that there still are from that conflict - and raise the question of at what point it is perhaps appropriate to start up a more rigorous page documenting the last 100?200?500? veterans of the Spanish Civil War.
Is anyone aware of any current resource that tracks this sort of thing in relation to the Spanish Civil War?jkm 05:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the fact it was a Civil War, I can't believe that there would at least be that many foreign veterans left - as Captain celery's comment would indicate. All those that are left would presumably be in their 90s by now - can't imagine many teenagers going off to fight in a foreign Civil War!jkm 04:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish Civil War 

message: Trying to honor old friend from Spokane, Washington, Max Landis WW2 B/17 Tailgunner shot down l945 Captured POW Survivor would like to find any way when he passed need closure 2607:FB91:1581:299:528A:FFB5:C685:E26 (talk) 05:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost friend WW2 Veteran