Talk:Davies-Gilbert

message: What was the descent from Sir Walter Raleigh?
Was it from his half-brother, surname "Gilbert", if so, it is NOT descent from Walter but from his mother.
Does descent from a hero make a whole family notable?
How notable were the children grand-children and great-grandchildren of Davies Gilbert and Mary Ann Gilbert?
How did Charles Gilbert (Mary Ann's uncle]] acquire his extensive Sussex property?  
Did they give coastline near Beachy Head to the National Trust?
Did they plant the gardens of Trelissick (now a National Trust property).
How can the article claim "prestige" for the family, if its main claim to fame is the development (not founding) of Eastbourne?
===Vernon White (talk) 08:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability - some questions

message: Thanks for your research on this family. It is clear that Davies and Mary Ann Gilbert were very remarkable people.  
Their son, John Davies Gilbert must have been an interesting person.  Was he "notable" in a Wikipedian sense? Can you produce a Wikipedia article for him?  I have asked the Library of the Royal Society if he did any science, subsequent to his election as a Fellow.  I plan to revisit Trelissick Garden and re-read their History display.  The NT guidebook is not helpful on the Davies Gilberts.  
It seems to me that descent from The Conqueror does not now make a family "notable".  Giving large tracts of beautiful coastland to the NT does!
I do not think Davies Gilbert (March 6, 1767 – December 24, 1839) can have supported Sir Isaac Newton, FRS (January 4, 1643 – March 31, 1727).
It would also be good if the Manor House, Eastbourne were included in this article and anything more about the Beachy Head Agronomical experiment and the East Dean Agricultural School, after Mary Ann's death.
Best
===  Vernon White (talk) 23:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability: a response

message: What is the point of cutting and pasting Davies Gilbert's publications fron the article on him?
=== Vernon White (talk) 22:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Davies Gilbert publications

message: Which of the people on William the Conqueror's Family tree link with the Davies-Gilberts, please?
=== Vernon White (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: William the Conqueror=

message: First paragraph "books about, or by, the Davies-Gilberts"- this shows some of Giddys books, and therefore illustrates this point.
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===Giddy's Books: Reply===
:The books are listed in the article on Davies Glbert. Did any of the descendants put pen to paper?  A search on the British Library catalogue reveals only Davies Gilbert's published work. If none, then do not claim so in the first paragraph. 
=== Vernon White (talk) 13:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Giddy's Books

message: :The books are listed in the article on Davies Glbert. Did any of the descendants put pen to paper?  A search on the British Library catalogue reveals only Davies Gilbert's published work. If none, then do not claim so in the first paragraph. 
=== Vernon White (talk) 13:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Giddy's Books: Reply

message: I wrote to the Royal Society, seeking to know what science JD Gilbert did to justify his Fellowship.  
They replied 6 Nov 06:
Dear Mr White,
 
Thank you for your email.
 
We have very little on him!
 
JD Gilbert did not appear to have written any articles in the Royal
Society journals and he has no entries in the R.S.Catalogue of
Scientific Papers 1800-1863.  
 
There is no obituary for him.
 
There is a record in the Archive catalogue of a letter dated 21/11/1848
which he wrote to the Society asking if he could have copies of the
portraits of Sir. Humphrey Davy and his father, D. Gilbert. (MC.4.266) 
 
I did a search on the National Archives www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and
he has quite a few entries there but none of a scientific nature.
 
He has no entry in the British Library catalogue, so has written no
books.
 
He does not have an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography - most
FRSs do, so I can only think there was not enough to write...
 
Sorry not to have more!
 
Yours sincerely,
 
[Name deleted]
Information Officer (Cataloguing)
Library and Information Services
=== Vernon White (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Davies Gilbert

message: My name is Nicholas Davies-Gilbert, and as you may have guessed- I am a Davies-Gilbert! Any help that I can provide for either of you, I would be most willing to give. I was going to delete the part about William the Conqueror- as this is utter make-believe, I have not heard of any 'new evidence' and I am sure I would. 
Yours,
Nicholas Davies-Gilbert
:It seems to me that your ancestors Davies and Mary Ann Gilbert were most remarkable people.  If the Davies-Gilbert article is to survive, it must present evidence of "notability". It must also be categorised.  I do not think "prestigious" is a useful category, in the view of Wikipedian Admins. 
:The way forward might be to create articles for recognisably distinguished or notorious members of the family and their influence on Sussex, Cornwall and the nation, although I suspect Davies Gilbert's scientific work was world-class. He also got us sensible weights & measures legislation.  Perhaps you could add to the WP article, as I do not think Beyond the blaze is either accessible or easy to find (online, copies are offered for £20.25) .
===Vernon White (talk) 18:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello

message: He was a fellow of the RS because he supported (gave money to) certain scientists. Just thought I would say that, probably helped that his father was the Ex President, though...
NDG
Yes, I expect you know,Beyond the blaze has several chapters on "Reform and the Royal Society" which indicate the differences in view of the "Gentlemen Scientist" and the professionals.
By the way, you can sign your comments using four tildes ~~~~ 
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Vernon White (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Davies Gilbert 2

message: Found this one http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/default.asp?Find_Quick.asp?PersonEssay=2E10 Enys, John Davies   1837 - 1912
Runholder, naturalist  
=== Vernon White (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable D-Gs

message: Pease family (Darlington)
=== Vernon White (talk) 21:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Model of Family entry in Wikipedia

message: THE ARCHIVE OF THE DAVIES-GILBERT FAMILY OF EASTBOURNE, EAST SUSSEX, AND TRELISSICK, CORNWALL is held by East Sussex Record Office and consists of 2236 files.  Its online catalogue entry provides much information about the family. Anyone wishing to upgrade this article should refer to the catalogue entry and, if possible, the deposited papers. Vernon White . . . Talk  00:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davies-Gilbert papers at ESRO 

message: It should not be acceptable in Wikipedia to assert something as fact unless it is proved so, or is not under challenge. The UK National Archives assert - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=179-gilbert#0 - that:
"In the 19th century the Gilbert family were convinced that they were descended from the Gilberts of Compton in Devon, and used their coat of arms, despite thorough research by both Davies Gilbert and Carew Davies Gilbert having failed to establish a connection. Davies Gilbert thought that they left Devon in the middle of the 16th century; they were certainly established in Sussex by 1567 when Thomas Gilbert was buried at Willingdon. Possibly this was the same Thomas Gilbert who had been assessed in the hundred of Baldslow, north of Hastings, for the subsidy of 1525.[1] According to family tradition, he had married a daughter of William Waller of Groombridge, whose sister Eleanor married Thomas Parker of Ratton in Willingdon, a view supported by the connections between the families in the next generation."
It is impossible for Thomas Gilbert (d. 1567) to be a son of Humphrey Gilbert (d. 1583) who maried Elizabeth Aucher in 1570, and whose children (who did not include a Thomas) were listed in a heraldic visitation of Devon. It is possible that Thomas Gilbert was  connected with the Gilberts of Compton at an earlier date, but as we have seen both Davies Gilbert and Carew Davies Gilbert were unable to establish a connection despite thorough research. My own family also were convinced that they had a descent from Sir Humphrey Gilbert; this is almost certainly false.
I intend to amend this article accordingly, unless there is some proof forthcoming.
Markd999 (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can they be descendants of Sir Humphrey Gilbert? 

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