Talk:Turkistan (city)

message: I have merged two articles and have used the modern form Türkistan for the city. The articles on other Kazakh cities tend to use the modern names. English-language tourism websites, etc, seem to have settled on Türkistan too (whilst sometimes using Turkestan as a synonym for Central Asia). Hope no objections. Jameswilson 04:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I originally wrote much of this page and gave it the title "Hazrat-e Turkestan", but on reflection I think it's really a historic name that is rarely used nowadays and always contracted to "Turkestan". It could be seen as rather obscurantist, and whilst it helps to explain why the city is often known simply as "Hazrat" in 19th century sources, we can put that in the opening paragraph. I would suggest moving it either to Turkestan (City) or Türkistan, although the latter might require a disambiguation page. Sikandarji 11:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Move

message: Regarding Hazrat-e Turkestan city, and the paragraph about "For Muslims, three pilgrimages to Türkistan are equivalent to one Hajj to Mecca. The city was even known as the Second Mecca of the East. ". It's the FIRST time to know about it!, it's not mentioned in noble Quran, or Hadith,, we -moslems- never heard or read about prophets companions who went there for piligrimage. I don't know how this information evoloved? 
:::Did you get my message?. Anyway here is what I wrote (for other people who are interested in this topic).
 
Hi:} It was me who put the original mention of "three pilgrimages to the mausoleum equal one Hajj to Mecca". Somebody deleted it from the Mausoleum page and now you have disagreed with it here too. I am not a Muslim so its not up to me to say whats true or not.
I got it from a travel website. A lot of Kazakh tourism websites make the same claim see examples. However one non-Kazakh site says it is a "local belief" {in Kazakstan only?) here.
Can I suggest an alternative wording? "In Kazakhstan it is traditionally believed that three pilgrimages to the mausoleum equal one Hajj to Mecca but other Muslims dispute this, believing that only pilgrimage sites mentioned in the Quran itself are valid". Or can you suggest something better?
One of the websites suggests that maybe it was so difficult for people at that time to travel from Central Asia to Mecca that the Kazakhs decided to create their own place of pilgrimage. They dont seem to claim there is any connection with Muhammed or his companions, only with their own saint (dont kow the right word?) Khoja Ahmad Yasavi five hundred years later. 
But I have no idea about this really so please delete it/change it as you wish. Jameswilson 03:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pilgrimage

message: I think the redirect of the article Kangju to this article Hazrat-e Turkestan should be removed. Kangju was the ancient name of a confederation of nomadic tribes who, according to Chinese historical sources, lived in Central-Asia between 2nd century BC and 3rd century AD. It has a history completely of its own, there is no direct historical relation with Hazrat-e Turkestan except a geographical one just by coincidence. You can see this in the article Hazrat-e Turkestan: its history starts in the 11 century AD, 800 years after the Kangju disapeared. (see as examples de:Kang-kü or nl:Kangju).   Guss2 14:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangju and Hazrat-e Turkestan 

message: I believe that Turkestan was not united to the Kazakh SSR in 1924 because: 1) the Kazakh SSR was created in 1936; 2) The antecessor repúblic was named Kirguiz ASSR until 1925 and then Kazakh ASSR. In fact I belive that was united to ASSR Kazakh in 1925--88.16.143.111 (talk) 00:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakh SSR

message: *Support. The first recommendation of WP:NCGN#Widely_accepted_name is to follow the usage of Britannica, Columbia, and Encarta. Britannica says "Turkestan, Kazak Türkistan". Minor geography is usually called whatever the locals call it. Neither Columbia nor Encarta mention this city. NCGN's second recommendation is to search Google Books and Google Scholar. But there are various things named Turkestan/Turkistan, and this city not even close to being the primary topic. GeoNames lists all the possibilities without comment. Lonely Planet gives "Turkistan". Kauffner (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey