Talk:Lebanese Forces

message: this is straight from http://www.lebaneseforces.com/about.asp, but there is no copyright notice on that site, and it may be the author. Christopher Mahan 19:44, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the second time this material has been posted. The first time, it was deleted as a copyvio on 17 September 2004. Unless it's clear that the source is PD or appropriately licensed, we have to assume that it isn't. I'm holding off from speedily deleting it as a repost, but that may happen anyway. --rbrwr± 23:27, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright notice 

message: A friend of mine from Lebanon, whose family was actually IN the LF disputes the factuality, and the neutrality of this article.  
He says that Samir Geagea was not such a pretty man as is made to believe, and there is a profuse lack of detail and analysis in this article.
I am therefore marking it NPOV, and DISPUTED.
ironyWrit 06:52 07/28/05 (UTC)
: That's good enough reason to remove the NPOV and DISPUTED tags, and I'll do so forthwith, on two counts: quoting a friend constitutes original research, which is against Wikipedia's policy and rules.  And unless he can quote some recognized authority, his word is no more valid than that of Joe Bloggs who runs the corner store.  The article DOES NOT make him out to be a "pretty" man.  Lack of detail and analysis does NOT make an article POV.  As of now, the tag is gone. David Cannon 11:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A friend of mine. 

message: 62.215.3.61 completely rewrote this article; his/her version is here. It was reasonably well written and not obvious vandalism, but quite POV and not nearly as good as what it replaced, so I reverted it.
Would someone familiar with the topic please review that version and see if there's anything worth keeping? Thanks, Tualha (Talk) 10:22, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That rewrite is the familiar text from the official website, which was deleted as a copyvio six times between December 2004 and June 2005 (which is how I come to be watching a page on a topic I know very little about). We should presumably link to that page. --rbrwr± 10:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, glad you're here now. Could you clarify some points about the blurb from the Lebanese Forces website? When you say we're free to copy it, do you say that because you represent the LF? Or because you have been granted that permission before? Or does it say so on their website? And if we're free to copy it, are we then free to modify it further as we wish? If we aren't, it is useless to us. --rbrwr± 12:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  When I say you are free to copy it I mean you are free to copy it. This information is available on LebaneseForces.com, Lebanese-Forces.org and numerous other LF sites because its meant to be shared. You are also free to modify it as it has already been by other LF members on various sites. Now can it be modified to reflect negativly on the LF, the answer is no. Now if I believed I was qualified enough to rewrite the page on the LF myself I would. But I am not qualified enough. What I will do is add a link to on LebaneseForces.com encouraging LF readers to come in and edit this page. Hopefully that will solve the problem. --62.215.3.51 13:56, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Wikipedia article must of course be written in accordance with the NPOV policy, meaning that both supporters and opponents of the LF should recognise it as being true. However, Wikipedia's licence allows anyone to take it and modify it as they see fit, and their version might "reflect negatively" on the LF. If we can't relicense the LF blurb under those terms, we can't use it. For better or worse, that's the way Wikipedia works. Having said that, we can make fair use of short sections in the form of properly attributed quotations, just as we can quote any appropriate source. --rbrwr± 17:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV rewrite 

message: The whole story seems very unreal or should I say fake. There wont be any LF member who is a disgrace to his leader, therefore the story behind flamming Dr. Samir Geagea is just another cheap way not only to insult that great leader, but also making Lebanese forces members  bad people. Conclusion: your input is not valid, and it is null.
Totally agree with you, The lebanese forces never made it mendatory for christians to join the cause... Had you not agreed with your leader you where free to leave.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.93.65 (talk) 14:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respond to "a friend of Mine" input 

message: I dispute the neutrality of this article because it did not mention the role these forces played in:
-The Sabra and Chatila massacres in September 1982. It has been established through many reports and inquiries, chief among which is the Kahan commission report. This act was found by the UN General Assembly to be an act of Genocide.  
-The role in the so-called Mountain War conducted against the Druze. In the course of these confrontations both sides committed atrocities.
For this article to be realiable and neutral, it needs to mention these decisive facts and disclose the Lebanese Forces' involvement in crimes against humanity. For there to be a history, all the facts need to be told. This is not an effort to single out the Lebanese Forces, I encourage everyone to shed more light on the events of the LEbanese Civil War.
:Thank you for your your comments. If you find this article non-neutral, just add the information you think it's missing, but by citing sources. I also recommend you to read the Wikipedia NPOV policy, and if you'd like to be a regular contributor create a username. And please always sign your comments by adding ~~~~. CG 19:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that that could be mentioned, in an unbiased way, where the LF defense is also cited. But the suggestion which was inserted on the page previously, and deleted by CG, was not unbiased enough, in my opinion. Arre 21:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lebanese Forces and war crimes 

message: Someone very interested in the Marada Brigades keeps entering an anti-LF in these articles, and also keeps crashing the links I just fixed in the process. I think parts of these edits could be valuable, but the need to be a) rephrased to conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view, and b) sourced with Internet links or literature. Until that happens I will keep reverting them, but I'd be happy to discuss here on talk too. Arre 23:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marada-man

message: Please note that the LF cross is not considered a logo of the Lebanese Forces any longer. Dr. Samir Geagea has removed it following his return from France at the request of the Lebanese Greek Orthodox clergy. I sadly do not have a source, but it can be supported by visiting the official LF website www.lebanese-forces.org where it will not appear. 
I suggest either a removal of the cross as a symbol of the group or to make it clear that it does not symbolise the group any longer.
--62.215.248.85 14:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The LF Cross 

message: I removed the Syria Wikiproject banner because it was added with no explanation. I can't see why this page is within the scope of the Syria Wikiproject.
Fadib83 22:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject Syria

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Lfcross.jpg

message: User Izzedine is obviously oblivious of the History of Lebanon, LF principles, political stances and ideology. Izzedine, you cannot add categories such as Fascism, Fascist parties, Terrorism in Lebanon, Christian terrorism, Anti-Arabism, Anti-Islam sentiment...when you know nothing about the party especially if your sources are fundamentalist sites and blogs, so spare us the effort of reverting your fanatical fabrications. Thank you Eli+ 22:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing here but ad hominem. These categories are qualified by the information and references in the article, so do not remove them. Izzedine (talk) 23:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Izzedine's "contribution" 

message: The section is written in an obviously biased manner. Events are related with only one side's version included, and without distancing terms such "stated", "allegedly", etc. Plus, loaded words or peacock terms are liberally employed. As an example, the beginning of that section's first paragraph is indicative enough : "Christian East Beirut was ringed by heavily fortified Palestinian camps from which kidnappings and sniping against Lebanese civilians became a daily routine. Christian East Beirut became besieged by the PLO camps, with severe shortages of food and fuel. This unbearable situation was remedied by the Kataeb Regulatory Forces...". It needs citations and re-writing.-The Gnome (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Golden Years" section : biased text

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message: Oberynmartell (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2018 

message: Cabinet of Lebanon: 2/30 to 0/20
Maudslayer (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Talk 22:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 August 2020 

message: Remove this sentence: Lebanese Forces did not fight for seven years and that they did not sacrifice thousands of soldiers to free Lebanon from the Syrian Army and the PLO so that Israel can take their place.
Reason: Not true, unreliable source. -- Maudslay II (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Terasail[✉] 16:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 January 2021 

message: "Many cite the massacre as revenge for the killing of Bachir Gemayel and the countless massacres committed by the PLO against the Christian civilian population since 1975."
There is no citation to substantiate the claim that countless massacres were committed by the PLO against Christian civilians. The use of the word "countless" in this instance is also non-neutral. Zs634 (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed on basis that sentence was not cited. —Sirdog (talk) 03:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2022 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: There are several paragraphs that are identical in the section "Formation" and in the History section, like 1976-1982.
I think they should be removed from the "formation" section as what they describe happens quite some time after the formation. Freeedim (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please remove duplicate paragraphs 

message: Adding links to many things like almassira and many more, and creating new articles and pages about politicians and people who dont have one yet on wikipedia Ralphassaker (talk) 06:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2024