Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 5

message: U know u dont mention that it was known as land of the aryans..u dont mention that it could be older then what u stated..u dont mention that it may be the original homeland of the aryans..what gives u the right to put down whatever u feel like? 71.107.62.213 08:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more elaborate please? utcursch | talk 05:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon message

message: Hi, I'm trying to write more about this topic on the Chinese Wikipedia and I'm wondering if anyone here can enlighten me on this: what's the Indian government's view?
The Chinese Wikipedia only has the Chinese government's official point of view, which is:
# The McMahon Line was negotiated in the Simla Conference of 1914;
# Britain, China, and Tibet took part in it;
# Tibet had declared independence in 1913, but neither Britain nor China recognized that;
# Britain and Tibet signed the agreement, but China refused;
# Since Tibet was not recognized by the other two parties as an independent country, its signature was not legally binding;
# So actually, only one side signed it (Britain);
# Since only one of two sides signed, the treaty was not legally binding;
# Hence, British India's claim over Arunachal Pradesh was illegal;
# And India's control of Arunachal Pradesh is an illegal occupation.
What is the Indian government's official point of view? Why is the McMahon Line a legitimate international boundary? Was the Simla Conference agreement legitimate? (if so, how?) Or is there some other reason? -- ran (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the Indian government treats the McMohan line as the international boundary between India and China. I really don't know much about it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[McMahon Line]] 

message: As part of my 10 Random Pages Test diversion, I'm improving the Bismillah Khan article. In my research, I've found that the man is commonly referred to as Ustad Bismillah Khan, which I've discovered to be a title for master musician in India. The general convention basically states that one should use the name that is most common. As I know relatively little of Indian culture, I am asking here. Would it be more common to search "Bismillah Khan" or "Ustad Bismillah Khan"?  02:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, "Bismillah Khan" would be more appropriate. That's how other articles like Zakir Hussain, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Ravi Shankar, Amjad Ali Khan, (Cheb) Khaled (musician), etc have been done. The only exception I found was Cheb Mami, where Cheb in Arabic means the same thing as Ustad in Farsi. deeptrivia (talk) 03:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text: We should follow the conventions at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Honorific_prefixes and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). So having Ustad in the lead section is fine (as long as it is not in the title). See Elton John for instance. But I think we should think way of informing non-India users that Ustad is a honorofic title, in a non-obtrusive way. --Pamri • Talk 05:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I echo the above comments. Ustad can be wikified in the lead. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, it's fine in the lead text. I meant it shouldn't appear in the title. deeptrivia (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographical articles... titles: is there a convention? 

message: Hi all, In learning Hindi and becoming interested in it, I've found that Wikipedia's coverage of the language would be greatly improved with some spoken samples. Specifically it would be great to have a native speaker record the pronunciation of each Hindi character and release it under a GFDL or creative commons license suitable for hosting on Wikimedia Commons. This would enable a free version of what is done here for example. There are of course many additional places where spoken pronunciation examples would help. Some helpful links about how to do it are at Wikipedia:Media and the related wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia. The same would undoutedly be valuable for other languages. Anyone willing to help? - Taxman Talk 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken language samples 

message: Please update the date on which Indian featured articles gained featured status and the corresponding edit id  here. I've done for 3 articles. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How can I find out the edit ID? Thanks.deeptrivia (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAs first 

message: I received a request from User:Kerowyn to look into this article. I've done a lot of copyediting but am hopelessly confused about how to organize all of the content into sections. Everything seems to be thoroughly mixed up. I'll appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.deeptrivia (talk) 02:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Indian names]] 

message: Which is more appropriate name Wai (Indian city) or Wai, Maharashtra?--May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 06:32, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter (district, state) is more appropriate and a used for most American cities. --Pamri • Talk 07:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Nope. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities. Use just the city/town name. If there is a national dab, use case 2, if there is an international dab, use case 1.  =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: Hi All,
There is a new template that provides a fundamental links database for all topics related to the freedom struggle, so as to provide one base for the sprawling network of articles. Please check it out.
Template:India independence movement
Jai Sri Rama!
Rama's Arrow 16:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One suggestion. Maybe the "More..." at the end of Organizations can point to a new subcategory of :Category:Political parties in India containing organizations involved in freedom struggle. deeptrivia (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:India independence movement]] 

message: Hi, I'm working on a disambiguation page for Tawa, which has a number of meanings that I have listed at Talk:Tawa. Currently, Tawa is a very short article about the Indian cooking implement, and there is a similar article Tava. Somebody has suggested that the two articles should be merged, and I agree.
My question is: in relation to the cooking implement, is there a spelling preference for Tawa vs Tava, or are the two spellings completely interchangeable? --LesleyW 22:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The IAST Transliteration scheme recommends Tava over Tawa. deeptrivia (talk) 22:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Agree for merger and Tava. --Regards. Miljoshi | <FONT style="color:#008000">talk</FONT> 06:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll continue building the disambig on Talk: Tawa and then look at doing the merge (shouldn't be too difficult!) --LesleyW 07:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling question 

message: FYI, User:Siddiqui has been quite busy replacing the words "Indian subcontinent" with "South Asia" in articles and article titles. I'm not too sure if this is a policy that might have been discussed elsewhere, but I thought you guys would be a little more knowledgeable about the use of those words. Looking at his contributions, he seems to dislike the word India. --NormanEinstein 18:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be a mechanism to address such revisionism. deeptrivia (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think any arbitrary change should be allowed as such, unless it subscribes to the definition of the specific geography markup. For e.g. consider the discussion and vote on Australasia vs. Oceania. In this case, however, no clear demarcation is mentioned between South Asia and Indian subcontinent, and there is in fact a redirect that leads to South Asia (?!). Unless a distinction is put in place, use of either of the terms may be considered valid. --Regards. Miljoshi | <FONT style="color:#008000">talk</FONT> 08:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: The merger of Indian subcontinent into South Asia was carried out by User:Dbachmann. I couldn't find any discussion regarding the merger agreement though. --Regards. Miljoshi | <FONT style="color:#008000">talk</FONT> 09:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I merged entirely for practical reasons, there were two stubs treating the same area. Far from suggesting that the terms are identical in all respects, the merge allows us to discuss their subtle differences in one place rather than twice. I have no predilection for which should be the article's title, and I don't support arbitrary change of wording in article bodies, of course. So don't confuse the merge witht the replacements by Siddiqui. dab (ᛏ) 09:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't intend to stick around much with this issue, but such replacements can be misleading, since "South Asia" sometimes includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. It certainly includes Afghanistan. Therefore, in many contexts, replacing Indian subcontinent with South Asia makes no sense. Are we going to do anything about it? A policy regarding what is suitable when will be quite empowering. deeptrivia (talk) 14:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "South Asia" could probably be made a stub - explaining how diffrent sources have different conceptions of South Asia. e.g. SAARC's conception is very different from the one where former territories of USSR are included. Thus, Indian Sub-continent would be retained as an article and South Asia - looking at various conceptions. In fact, it was me who proposed the merge between Australasia and Oceania but it did not go through (probably since both are still nebulous concepts). Indian sub-continent is not a nebulous concept unlike South Asia, so I am all for the de-merger. Once the de-merger is done, some one can revert the changes being made by the user. --Gurubrahma 17:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian subcontinent / South Asia 

message: I've been working on this article, and now I think it is almost good enough to be nominated for an FA status. I request everyone to have a look, and suggest any possible improvements. Thanks :) deeptrivia (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Malwa]]

message: While I believ that polls are evil, the situation above seems to indicate that a poll is in order as one of the parties is unwilling to accept sources such as encyclopaedia Britannica. The poll is about the naming of the article. --Gurubrahma 17:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  This poll is now on for 10 days, and the admins who called for this fourth poll despite there being clear consenus on the three previous polls, do not seem to be in a mood to declare the poll over. These admins have also taken very strong positions on the issue.       I think someone should moderate and declare the results. deeptrivia (talk) 01:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll on [[Talk:Hindu-Arabic_numerals]]

message: I'm ready to post the new disambiguation content on Tawa, but I need some help with merging the existing text into Tava. Could somebody who know something about Indian cooking please look at my proposed text on Talk:Tava, fix it up as required and put it into the article? (I feel it should also be marked as a stub.) Once this is done, the proposed disambig text from Talk:Tawa can go into Tawa. (I'm happy to do that part myself, also happy for someone else to do it, this is Wikipedia after all.) --LesleyW 00:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. utcursch | talk 04:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've now done the disambig (my first ever, so thank you for assisting). --LesleyW 11:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tava]] and [[Tawa]] 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/India helps by listing those AFDs related to India. As it gets inreasingly difficult to wade through AFD nominations, a need for better alternatives is being felt. The above link addresses that need by bringing together India-related AFDs. I request you all to add it to your watchlists. Tintin has been active in updating the list and we can all join and help him in his efforts, at least by adding it to our watchlists and voting on the AFDs. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 16:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add this to your watchlists 

message: Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year to everybody!--May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 14:13, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy holidays! 

message: Can someone please let me know the name of the Lok Sabha member from Visakhapatnam in 1957, and who the MP from Bobbili constituency was (if there was one) ?  I have looked through the Indian parliament site, but it provides conflicting information. Thank you, Tintin 19:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MPs from Andhra Pradesh in 1957 

message: I have made a proposal to split  at WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals.--Pamri • Talk 04:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  India-bio-stub 

message: I have created an updated template for Andhra Pradesh in my sandbox. I have sourced my changes from U.S. State templates. Please check it out and give your comments. If it is fine, we could adopt the same for other states too. Thanks, Ganeshk 00:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andhra Pradesh Template 

message: Just to re-iterate - Wikipedia:Wikipedians/India is being replaced by :Category:Indian Wikipedians.  By adding any one of the userbox templates to your user page, you will be automatically categorised in the relevant section.   Deano (Talk) 13:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  category/templates 

message: Template:MalayalamScript has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:MalayalamScript. Thank you.  Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 12:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can people please comment on this?  Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the support needed for the Malayalam script different from that needed for other Indic scripts? If not, I guess there's no reason to have this template. deeptrivia (talk) 05:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, details on what is required for Malayalam is listed on the how-to page that is linked by the template.  Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 10:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:MalayalamScript 

message: The main image on Manmohan Singh was deleted because it was unsourced. Where can we quickly find a free image? deeptrivia (talk) 01:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: US govt sites is a good place to start with. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the pic at the PMO website and updated it. Happy New Year! - Ganeshk 16:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Manmohan Singh]] 

message: I have proposed creating state-level sub-stubs under the  so that the category could become smaller. Please vote for this proposal. - Ganeshk 07:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Stub Proposal - Splitting {{tl|India-stub}} 

message: I've been watching this article for many months, and trying to keep the Hindutva editors from turning it into a hymn of praise for Godse. I just had a re-read and decided that it had turned actually hagiographic. I rewrote extensively, but I'm still not happy with the result. But I'm afraid to be too forthright in expressing contrary opinions, since I do intensely dislike the whole BJP/RSS/Hindutva crowd and I'm afraid of being POV. I would appreciate it if other editors could take a look at the article and make sure that it's not too BJP-slanted. Zora 09:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked through the article and made some suggestions on the talk page and on some related articles like Hindutva. The other problem I see is that all the removing of POV info seems to have slimmed the article down a lot. Regards, Kaushik twin 16:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nathuram Godse]] article 

message: that is the question being asked here at Talk:Jammu_and_Kashmir#NPOV. And based on that, the article has been flaged as NPOV-disputed!? Sigh... If you can have a look and mark your advice...
PS: If I mistake not, this is the same editor who did mass updates of replacing Indian subcontinent (see this thread above). --<FONT style="color:#5A3696">ΜιĿ</FONT>ː<FONT style="color:#008000">talk</FONT> 18:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you folks for looking into this. --<FONT style="color:#5A3696">ΜιĿ</FONT>ː<FONT style="color:#008000">talk</FONT> 09:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  is J&K a part of India? 

message: The article on Hyderabad, India needs some help.
1. The artcicle is too large.
2. The article contains several links.
3. Just have created a wikiportal for Hyderabad, to encourage users to post details elsewhere and only have summary.
Chirags 21:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you be willing to clean up the Hyderabad article and raise it to Featured status like we have for Mumbai and Chennai? =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyderabad, India 

message: I categorized all the Indian college festivals under :Category:Culfests category. However, I find that all of them are not notable. While Mood Indigo (culfest) and some others deserve a separate article, not all culfests are notable. There are thousands of colleges - all of them have names for their culfests, techfests and other fests. Some colleges have different names for fests every year. Instead of having an separate article on each of these culfests, it would be more appropriate to merge these pages with the respective college articles (my personal opinion). But the question is what makes one culfest notable and another non-notable? What should be the criteria for allowing a separate article on the culfest - prestige of institution, media coverage, budget...? Please comment. utcursch | talk 07:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Culfests|Culfests]] - Criteria for being notable 

message: I have done a lot of work on this artice and removed mostly all of the concerns brought out in the Peer Review. Please copyedit and improve the article, especially by adding more images and help elevate it to Featured status --May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 10:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Well first of all, I'd like to commend you on an excellent job with the article. I've gone through it and rephrased a few sentences to improve the flow a bit. The only slight niggle that I had with it was that it was a tad text-bookish. But I feel that that can't really be helped as the topic itself is rather dry. Re: Image Ideas, does anyone have a suitable image of the Indian Constitution perhaps? I mean, since the article deals with an important part of the Constitution, it is a valid image. As for other pictures, a pic of the Supreme Court in the part about the Right to Constitutional Remedies?
Also, how about adding the Politics of India template to the article? Unfortunately I'm unable to do the same myself, due to lack of know-how. Regards, Kaushik twin 14:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India]] 

message: We now have permission to use any photos taken by Ashish Vashisht  that are on IRFCA's website under Creative Commons Attribution. I confirmed this with both Ashish and the IRFCA webmaster, who added: 
:"It would be appreciated if you acknowledge the photographs as being from Ashish Vashisht. A pointer to IRFCA would also be appreciated. Please check with me before using any other material (photographs or otherwise) from IRFCA."
I think there are lots of nice photos to be used on the Delhi Metro and related articles that can be picked up from there. deeptrivia (talk) 15:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I know. I have interacted with the IRFCA webmaster and he has given us permission for quite a few images. There is also an exclusive  tag in commons: =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permission to use images by Ashish Vashisht from IRFCA website 

message: Hello all!
Happy New Year to you all!
It's been a while I have been out here.  I notices that the main articles of India like History of India, Geography of India, Economy of India, et al! are no longer in :Category:India?
Is there a change in policy/direction or something?  Would'nt it be appropriate to have those main articles under the main category of India rather then just in it's own sub-category?  
Any insights would be helpful.
Thanks,
 21:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there is not official policy which prohibits you from categorizing these articles in the :Category:India, but this clutters up the category (as everything related to India would be categorized as :Category:India). Subcategories offer better organization, which the main purpose of categorization. For improving navigation, alternative systems can always be used. utcursch | talk 05:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Utcursch.  Glad U're still around.  I'm all for categorization.  Few months back, the standard was that main articles like History of India would be in :Category:India, which would give an overall view, but then there would be category :Category:History of India which will have all the history related articles.  I thought that was better as all the main acrticles would be in the main page itself.  What do you think of reverting back in that fashion?
 23:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't have any problem with that, but I think only few main articles (such as history, geography, culture, education etal) should be in the :Category:India. Putting less important things related to India in this category will make the category hard to navigate through - subcategories are better for such things. utcursch | talk 04:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main articles in [[:Category:India]]