Talk:Pattern Recognition (novel)

message: Has anyone seen this? http://www.veoh.com/videos/v7310191nhWQFT9R  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.64.188 (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: F:F:F

message: Shouldn't there be some mention of the originally fictional nature of the black Buzz Rickson's jacket and its later (and current) production? --65.0.234.171 01:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flight Jacket

message: Currently the article claims that Pattern Recognition is a work of mainstream fiction as opposed to the author's previous science fiction work. I tend to disagree on that, because I see the theme as a development of Gibson's cyberpunk theme with going away from net/computer-based and a bit towards corporations and influence of them on people. I therefore disagree with the "science-fiction" against "mainstream fiction" label.
But as this is a very-POV statement, and I am not an expert on literature, I was thinking a discussion would be in order. - Ernie 19:23, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: John Clute says it's SF, until there are references to the contrary, the article will reflect that position. End of story. Skomorokh incite 15:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Literary classification

message: As far as I can tell, Iain Banks' novel "Dead Air" (released 2002) was published before Pattern Recognition.  I think it qualifies as a "major literary work", and it references 9/11 heavily.  Therefore, I think that the assertion "It has been cited as the first major literary work to allude to the events of 9/11." is somewhat dubious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.72.26.75 (talk) 21:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  9/11 Reference 

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thread_title: Fair use rationales

message: The article is a pass right.  I'd like to give a more detailed review as well that can helpfully be useful going forward.  I read Pattern Recognition about a year ago and am in the middle of Spook Country right now, and I helped a bit with the William Gibson FA, so hopefully my input will be somewhat useful.  Contemporary fiction and non-fiction are difficult topics to approach and I think you do an excellent job with very tricky subject matter.  (I wanted to review The World Without Us but hadn't read it yet!)
# Well written?: Pass.  It's well written, although I do have some suggestions and fixes that may make it even more so!
# Factually accurate?: Pass. Yes, very good on this score.
# Broad in coverage?: Pass. Does a very good job here as well.
# Neutral point of view?: Pass. Yes.
# Article stability? Pass. Yes.
# Images?: Pass.  Although I'll note that some editors might complain about the collage of international covers.  The purpose of the image is encyclopedic, and the images are extremely low resolution, so I do not object, but I caution that others might.  
More detailed review to follow (tomorrow) but for now congratulations! --JayHenry (talk) 06:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article review 

message: I'm putting together a FAC review and have some copyediting concerns.  I don't want to clutter up FAC with too much detail so I thought I'd put some comments here instead.
I tried copyediting the first paragraph, but I don't think I have it right.  Here's a version:
Gibson's first professional sale was in 1977.  He had published seven novels (one co-written) and numerous short stories before Pattern Recognition.  His previous novel, All Tomorrow's Parties, was published in October 1999 as the conclusion of the Bridge trilogy.  Pattern Recognition was written between 2001 and 2002 while Gibson was living in Vancouver, British Columbia,. and released in February 2003.  Pattern Recognition was originally intended to be a stand alone novel, but afterwards Gibson wrote Spook Country which takes place in the same universe and uses some of the same characters.
The changes include:
* Date of first sale -- see his article; it was 1977.
* Chronological sequence -- the current version runs from 2001-2 to 1981 to 2003 to 1999 to post-2003.
My version above doesn't flow smoothly, but I thought I'd put it here to give you an idea of what I think is wrong with the existing paragraph.  Mike Christie (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, and that new first sentence is definitely an improvement over mine. Mike Christie (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph of body 

message: I understand why Spook Country wasn't originally in the lead section, but now that some time has passed since the novel was published, it seems appropriate to mention it. Any objections? Viriditas (talk) 08:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections here. maclean 15:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spook Country in lead 

message: Does any of you know what is actually showed in the clips?Janmarques (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is for talking about the Wikipedia article itself – you might have better luck getting an answer to your question at the reference desk or at the William Gibson Board discussion forum. Regards,  Skomorokh  17:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content of the footage 

message: when I saw the article on Stendhal syndrome, I immediately thought of this novel.  What do you think?  Is that worth linking to from this article? WhiteDragon (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Cayce have Stendhal Syndrome? 

message: Added a new section for criticism and put in the info about the book's fatal story flaw, as noted and published in the hungarian monthly "Élet és Irodalom" two months after the book was globally published. 82.131.135.138 (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This should probably be integrated into the reception section.  Any work of fiction will have all sorts of implausibilities.  This particular critique isn't actually very strong or interesting (far from "fatal") since the premise is the Russians were testing weaknesses ie the film clips weren't actually themselves critically important. --JayHenry (talk) 21:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section added 

message: Dumping this here as a bookmark of sorts: how the Moscow background research was done.  Skomorokh  13:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moscow research 

message: Can we start calling Pattern Recognition/Spook Country/Zero History the Bigend Trilogy now? The footer lists the other trilogies and, as cited in the article, Gibson has confirmed that Zero History will be the completion of the running trilogy, no? Atduskgreg (talk) 03:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: When (or where) did Gibson say that Bigend would be in the next book? -maclean (talk) 04:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Putnam recently released the blurb for their publisher's catalog along with the cover art. The blurb features a gloss on the story and mentions bigend heavily as well as other characters from the earlier books. G.W. Putnam Fall 2010 Catalog - Zero History by William Gibson - hardback cover illustration and blurb Atduskgreg (talk) 15:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bigend Trilogy" 

message: Hi all,
Erm... very much over-simplified, but
* Post-structuralism is the term for a strand of mid-late C20 continental philosophy; 
* postmodernism is a decription of mid-late C20 aesthetic practice, an example being The Crying of Lot 49.
You really don't have to have a first class honours degree in Cultural Studies1 to pick up on this.  I would change it myself, right now, but editing the article triggers the biggest warning message I've ever seen! 
--Shirt58 (talk) 08:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was an attempt at summarising the segment "'In post-structural literary theory Cayce is compared with the main character, Oedipa Maas, of Thomas Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49" which is itself sensical enough. I've amended the description, thanks for that. Skomorokh 10:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'Post-structuralism' bit came from the City article which states "Post-structural literary theory has, however, been less inclined to privilege the sort of transcendental meanings that these literary detectives have supplied, and seminal works such as Italo Calvino's  Invisible Cities (1973) and Thomas Pynchon's  The Crying of Lot 49 (1966), rather than offer characters who succeed in interpreting the city for us, merely offer layers of signification, texts that refer endlessly to other texts, proliferating conspiracies and patterns that defer ultimate meaning. In this and other respects The Crying of Lot 49 seems to be an important influence, perhaps even a linear precursor to Gibson's work as a whole and Pattern Recognition in particular..." I can email a full copy of this article to you upon request. maclean (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No disputing the significance of The Crying of Lot 49 to either PR or post-structuralist lit theory, I think Shirt58's point is simply that it is a category error to label the novel itself post-structuralist. Congratulations on the TFA though, the article has come through remarkably unscathed! Skomorokh 03:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I have no objection to the edit. I am only providing context for where the Post-structuralism comes from. The sum total of my knowledge on post-structuralism comprises of whatever was written in the Post-structuralism article in 2008 and from the context the City article author used. maclean (talk) 04:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-stuctualist v Post-modern wrt "The Crying of Lot 49" 

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