Talk:Navajo Nation

message: Here are books and some other resources that were listed as "References", but are not actually cited. I've listed their information here just in case they were used and someone wants to create an actual citation.
* Bailey, L. R. (1964). The long walk: A history of the Navaho Wars, 1846-1868.
* Bighorse, Tiana. (1990). Bighorse the Warrior. Ed. Noel Bennett, Tucson: University of Arizona Press.
* Downs, James F. (1972). The Navajo. New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston.
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* Gilpin, Laura. (1968). The Enduring Navaho. Austin: University of Texas Press.
* Iverson, Peter. (2002). Diné: A history of the Navahos. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press. 
* Lewis, Gregg L. Enrollment Procedures and Recourse. University of Oklahoma
* Kluckhohn, Clyde; & Leighton, Dorothea. (1946). The Navaho. Cambridge: Oxford University Press.
* Loewen, James. W. (1999 ). Lies Across America.  Pages 100-101; The New Press.
* McNitt, Frank. (1972). Navajo wars. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press.
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* Terrell, J. U. (1970). The Navajos. 
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* Underhill, Ruth M. (1956). The Navahos. Norman: The University of Oklahoma Press.
*Navajo Nation Reservation and Off-Reservation Trust Land, Arizona/New Mexico/Utah United States Census Bureau
* Witherspoon, Gary. (1977). Language and Art in the Navajo Universe. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press.
-Uyvsdi (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Given that the Navajo Nation has voted to reduce the number of Council delegates, I've changed that section to reflect the vote. It seems to be the most important and controversial issue for the tribe right now as they redistrict the delegates. --Loser_user (talk)21:33, 03 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not news. The change is historically worth a one-liner. --Bejnar (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  I think that there is enough material for a full article on the executive branch of the Navajo Nation.  For the time being, that single sentence is a place-holder for a comparable number of paragraphs to that of the Judiciary. --Bejnar (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Government

message: The following reverted revision was made by 65.29.128.86 at 12:54, 20 October 2010 and although apparently original research it seems informative enough to at least contribute to the talk page for verification.
hi I was the war chiefThe seat of government is in the city of Window Rock in Apache County, Arizona. There are several adjacent "Navajo Indian Reservations" (Alamo, Ramah and Tohajiilee) in this area, but they generally function as sub-units of the "Big Rez" (Big Reservation) with considerable local autonomy.
- Steve3849talk 02:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alamo, Ramah and Tohajiilee are chapters in the Eastern Agency of the Navajo Nation, not separate reservations.  Historically, in part because of their physical separation from the main reservation, they were under-served. This was perhaps most true of Alamo which is the most remote, but other factors enter into it among which are the fact that the Navajo at Alamo had not been on the Long Walk of the Navajo.  I know of no basis for presuming that these three chapters have any more autonomy than any other chapter. --Bejnar (talk) 22:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right; once we get to the geography-section, I'd say we just boldly re-merge these one-paragraphs things into this one. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 23:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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LOCATION AND LAND STATUS:
"Navaho Tribe History" by the Education Directors of Utah Tribes for the Utah Education Network is part of a comprehensive series on the Utah Tribes contact Education directors
Window Rock, Navajo Nation (Ariz.) - - The Navajos are the largest and most populous Native American nation with about 270,000 members, of which 165,614 live within the Navajo Nation borders.
Spanning Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, the Navajo Nation covers 17 million acres and constitutes one-third of all Indian lands in the lower 48 states.  Covering almost 26,110 square miles, it is slightly larger than West Virginia (24,231 square miles, with 1,825,754 people) or about one-quarter the area of Arizona (114,006 square miles, with 4,428,068 people).  It is larger than Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Rhode Island combined.
CULTURE AND HISTORY:
Sovereignty is embodied in the official seal of the Navajo Nation, which has 50 arrowheads in an unbroken circle around the outside of the seal to symbolize the Navajo Nation's protection within the 50 states of the United States.  Inside the arrowheads are three concentric lines, blue for the outside line, yellow in the middle and red on the inside, symbolizing the rainbow of sovereign protection of the Navajo Nation.
The lines are open at the top, which is the east; just below that is the sun, rising in the east and shining on the four sacred mountains.  In the center, a sheep, horse and a cow symbolize the traditional livestock economy of the Navajo people; at the bottom, two green plants are corn which is the age-old basic food of Navajo life.  The corn plants are tipped with yellow pollen, which is still widely used in traditional Navajo ceremonies.
The traditional Navajo land is encompassed within the Four Sacred Mountains that were created by the Holy People for the Navajos.  In the east is 'Sisnaajinii,'--Mt. Blanca; in the south, "Tsoodzil,' -- Mount Taylor, near Grants, N.M.; in the west "Dook'o'oosliid,' -- San Francisco Peak, near Flagstaff, Arizona; and in the north, 'Dibe'Nitsaa,' -- MT Hesperus.  On the Navajo Nation seal, Sisnajinii is represented in white, representing White Shell Woman in the east; Tsoodzil is blue, representing Turquoise Woman in the south; Dook'o'oosliid is yellow, representing Abalone Woman in the west; and Dibe'Nitsaa is black, representing Jet Woman to the north.
The attitude of the Navajo to their land was eloquently expressed by Barboncito, at the signing of the Treaty of 1868 in Eastern New Mexico where they had been exiled since 1864: ". . . When the Navajos were first created, four mountains and four rivers were pointed out to us, inside of which we should live.  That was to be our country and it was given to us by the First Woman of the Dine.  It was told to us by our forefathers that we were never to move east of the Rio Grande or north of the San Juan rivers . . . First Woman, when she was created, gave us this piece of land and created it especially for us and gave us the whitest of corn . . .I hope you will not ask us to go to any other country except my own."
Linguistically, the Navajo are related to the Apaches, and to the Athabascans (the Dene) of northern Canada.  The Dene in northern Canada were sometimes known as the Dine Nahotloni, the 'People of another place.'  A matrilineal society, where clan relationships are still important, their traditional arts consist of finely woven blankets, richly detailed silver and turquoise jewelry, and a distinct style of painting based on "sandpaintings" originally used in healing ceremonies.
Navajo Nation lands include beautiful and varied landscapes ranging from arid deserts below 4,000 feet to 10,500-foot high mountain peaks forested with pine, fir and aspen.  The continental climate has cold winters, hot summers, and average annual precipitation ranging from less than 6 inches to more than 20 inches in the mountains.  Usual temperatures range from 0 degrees Fahrenheit to the mid-80s, but can drop as low as -30 degrees F., and may reach 100 degrees during the hottest summer days, but these extremes are rare.
The land is endowed with significant renewable and non-renewable natural resources, including surface and ground waters, rangelands, prairies and forests, dry and irrigated farmlands, fish and wildlife, plus substantial reserves of coal, oil, natural gas and uranium.
Despite its significant economic potential, socio-economic conditions on the Navajo Nation are comparable to those found in some underdeveloped third world countries.  According to the 1990 Census, about 56 percent of Navajo people live below the poverty level compared to 13 percent for the United States.  The average annual per capita income for a Navajo person is $4,106, compared to the national average of $19,082 in 1990.  Unemployment ranges from 36 percent to over 50 percent seasonally.
Many of these conditions are attributed to a lack of infrastructure, which is directly related to the failure of the federal government to meet its trust and treaty obligations.  For example, the Navajo Nation has 2,000 miles of paved roads, West Virginia has more than 18,000 miles.  Similarly, many Navajo homes lack electricity, running water, telephones, or all of those basic services.
The greatest resource of the Navajo Nation is the people.  It is a youthful people, about 60 percent of the people are under 25 years of age.  It is why the Hale administration has emphasized education, scholarships and development of youth as extremely important to the future of the people, with President Hale often dubbed "the education president."
Due to economic conditions, the Navajo Nation is losing population to off-reservation areas; while the on-reservation population grew by 22 percent from 1980 to 1990, the off-reservation population in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah grew by 124.5 percent.  Navajo population in the other 47 states grew by 71.4 percent.  In common with much of America, rural areas of the Navajo Nation are losing population.  During the 1980s, 34 chapters lost population to larger Navajo communities or off-reservation areas.  If this trend continues, by 2012 Census, when by a "moderate growth scenario" the Navajo population is expected to reach 585,000, about 53.5 percent will live in off-reservation areas.
Educational statistics for Navajo students indicate performance levels below the figures for America's worst urban and rural educational systems.  Schools servicing Navajo children - primarily Bureau of Indian affairs (BIA) schools, and public schools under the jurisdiction of the states of Arizona, New Mexico and Utah - offer inconsistent and often culturally insensitive curricula.
This year, in addresses to the Arizona and New Mexico legislatures, President Hale asked that Native American history be added to the school curriculum to provide outsiders with an understanding of their culture, heritage, tradition and current conditions of Navajos and other Indian nations.
Most of the BIA and state dominated schools fail to provide Navajo students with the educational and social opportunities they need and deserve.  The Navajo Nation government and its people do not possess the requisite authority to address the bulk of these problems due to the unique tri-state jurisdictional status.  However, the Division of Dine' Education has developed innovative programs to teach Navajo language, history and culture and these programs are now being made available to schools with substantial enrollments of Navajo students.
During the past year, President Hale has become a national leader in the effort to define Native American sovereignty.  In part, his efforts are an answer to attempts by Senator Slade Gorton, R-Wash., to limit the independence of Native Americans.  In his January report to the Navajo Council, President Hale cited:  ". . . giving the Navajo People the tools they need to protect and enhance their prosperity and sovereignty.
"It is not the government that is sovereign, it is people who are sovereign.
"We are very fortunate that we still have our language, our land, our culture and a distinctly Navajo government.  We should never face the day when the Navajo People are in the position of having lost one or more of these basic elements of sovereignty.  Yet, despite the pledge by President Clinton to respect our rights and consult with us on a nation-to-nation basis, our sovereign rights are still under constant attack by federal, state and local officials.
"Sovereignty is the right of Navajos to make the decisions that affect Navajos, ourselves as individuals, and all of us as the Navajo Nation.  It is the Native American people who are sovereign.  this effort to define our sovereignty has become a national movement.  Much of the founding work comes from the first sovereignty conference held in our hogan in our Museum in Window Rock last November.  We salute the wisdom of those Indian nation leaders who gathered.  The Navajo Nation is a national leader in this effort.  Because the 557 federally recognized Indigenous nations are so individual, distinct and independent, we may never come up with one definition to define sovereignty for all Native Americans.
"However, we are sending a message to all levels of government officials: 'Respect for actions consistent with Native American sovereignty is the basis of a beneficial government-to-government relationship with the United States, individual states, and local communities.'  Our sovereignty is not a gift from anyone.  It is our because as Native Americans we were here first, we are still here and we will always be here.  It is our people who are sovereign.
"Our people can not be happy without freedom.  We cannot be free without sovereignty.  We cannot be sovereign if our earth, water, air and fire are controlled by others.  Our future must focus on our rights instead of the dependency imposed by outsiders.  Sovereignty is ours, earned by our ancestors who lived here from time immemorial.  Sovereignty is ours, it belongs to our people, it is not a gift delegated to us from others.
"Much wisdom has come from the Navajo Nation Council in affirming, protecting and enhancing the sovereignty of the Navajo People.  Our ongoing discussions about a definition of sovereignty is one of the tools to strengthen the Navajo People, and all native Americans.
"We are leaders because we have not lost our traditions, our heritage, our culture and our religion.  We are leaders because we are Navajo.  We are the Nohookaa Diyin Dine.  We urge you to remain committed to this issue, because protecting our sovereignty protects the future of the Navajo People."
In support of this spirit, President Hale has repeatedly emphasized the Navajo Nation "is committed to achieving and ensuring the full range of social, environmental and economic conditions that will enable the prosperity and well-being of present and future generations of Navajo people.
"Someday, every Navajo residence will have adequate housing, electricity, running water, solid waste disposal facilities; and will enjoy the benefits of diverse, productive and healthy natural resources.
Someday, every Navajo individual will have the same ready access to community and health care facilities and educational and economic opportunities now taken for granted in every part of the United States.  To achieve this the Federal government must live up to its trust and treaty commitments.
"The Navajo Nation seeks to empower the Navajo people with the abilities and resource to revitalize and strengthen their own rural communities and sustainable economies.  This vision of Navajo rural development sectors, and builds on the foundation of Navajo cultural values and traditions."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razster (talk • contribs) 22:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to include any of this, we need to know where it comes from. Book? (title, author, publisher, year) Webpage? (link, accessdate). Ahéheeʼ. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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There's a Wikipedia Category named Populated places on the Navajo Nation. I have placed a comment on the Category's Talk page suggesting two changes to that title. I hope and expect the first of those two changes to be uncontroversial. Please give patient consideration to the second; it is not at all meant to incite. It is purely an effort to comply with certain Wikipedia guidelines that were designed to give a professional appearance to this encyclopedia. Please refer there for full information on both proposals, and reasoning behind the second item that is based on a Wikipedia guideline. But to summarize, the effect of the two changes are individually:
* Change "... on the Navajo Nation" to "... in the Navajo Nation"
The phrase "places on the [] nation" just jars too much on my ears, an English speaker born in the UK, living in the US. It should be "... places in the [] nation". I suspect that the preposition dates back to a [pre-Wikipedia] time when the official US Government term term was reservation (I believe). Of course "... on the reservation" or informally "... on the Rez" are correct (I mean in English grammar - not politically). But the word is now nation rather than reservation, and it's pretty much universal to say "in the nation" rather than "on the nation".
* Change "... Navajo Nation" to "... Navajo nation"
Hey! Hear me out! I am not questioning the universally recognized proper name of Navajo Nation. I am merely trying to follow a specific Wikipedia guideline on this, which is fully discussed there. To centralize any discussion, please make posts such as feedback etc. on the Category Talk section there rather than (or as well as) anything less formal here. With thanks, from ChrisJBenson (talk) 03:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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message: I removed the paragraph about reconstruction here. There is no source for this material I can find (posting the page from the file description doesn't help) and the navajo page link seems broken. There's also no sources about the current campaign to change it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is the page being sourced. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navajo Nation Flag reconstruction 

message: Two maps in the article show a division of the Navajo Nation into two parts. I didn't find an explanation for this in the article when I scanned it. Is the answer there? If not, can someone add it? —Largo Plazo (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two parts 

message: Each of the agencies listed in the infobox is linked to an article that appears not to be about that agency but, perhaps, about a location within that agency. Can this be fixed? —Largo Plazo (talk) 09:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agency links 

message: The article says:
"Though the treaty had provided for one hundred miles square in the New Mexico Territory, the size of the territory was only 3,328,302 acres (5,200.472 sq mi; 1,346,916 ha)[4]—slightly more than half. This initial piece of land is represented in the design of the Navajo Nation's flag by a dark-brown rectangle.[6]"
One of the sources in this paragraph is a book, and the other is a dead link. But this is obviously incorrect. 5,200 square miles is not half of 100 square miles. Should it be 10,000 square miles? Primium mobile (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "One hundred miles square" /= 100 square miles, but a square of 100 miles by 100 miles. So yes, 10,000 miles. 142.198.135.186 (talk) 05:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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replies: text: I agree this page needs some editing. Suggest it start with rearranging the current headings before Geography. Here is the way I would suggest. 
*Terminology
*History
**Reservation and expansion
**Clan governance
***Rejection of Indian Reorganization Act 1935
*Navajo Nation and Federal Government Jurisdictions
*Government
**Constitution
**Judicial Branch
**Executive Branch
**Legislative Branch
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This is a long page.  In later edits, I suggest placing summaries with a main page elsewhere.  My list would include 2014 election, Law Enforcement, Notable Navajo politicians, Reservation and Expansion.  But first reorganization at the top,as a next step. Rcollman (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: :I agree this page needs some editing. Suggest it start with rearranging the current headings before Geography. Here is the way I would suggest. 
*Terminology
*History
**Reservation and expansion
**Clan governance
***Rejection of Indian Reorganization Act 1935
*Navajo Nation and Federal Government Jurisdictions
*Government
**Constitution
**Judicial Branch
**Executive Branch
**Legislative Branch
***Chapters
**Administration
***Agencies
***Department and Divisions
****Law Enforcement
**** Others such as Health, Education,Transportation
***Regional Commissions
**Politics
***Notable Navajo politicians
*** 2014 Elections
*Geography
This is a long page.  In later edits, I suggest placing summaries with a main page elsewhere.  My list would include 2014 election, Law Enforcement, Notable Navajo politicians, Reservation and Expansion.  But first reorganization at the top,as a next step. Rcollman (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: The population of the Navajo Nation in the respective article was recently changed from 173,667 in 2010 to 356,890 according the 2016 census. This is a doubling of the population in 6 years! There might be a problem with the definitions of Navajo Nation used. If Navajo Nation is the territory (as stated in the article) then the 2016 value might be just 156,823 according to one source (https://timenm.com/navajo-population-2016.html). This would represent 47%, slightly less than half of the total number of registered Navajo (another definition of Nation). The same source states that of the 332,129 Navajos, 26% live in "Metro", 10% in Border Towns and 17% in "Other" (in addition to the "Nation". So...the article should be corrected... Teixant (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navajo Nation population 

message: I was considering updating the politics section to reflect the 2018 election based on the Navajo Times year-in-review issue. However I see someone feels undue weight was given to the very similar 2016 election so I hesitate, given that I am not Navajo. Is the issue that people think it's recentism? or gives too much attention to controversy? I don't see a reason given here, although I have not delved too deeply. I will hold off for a few days to see if someone can clarify this for me. Elinruby (talk) 19:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 election 

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message: To add to this article:  how many casinos exist on the Navajo Nation? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And removed. Please provide  a reliable source. Meters (talk) 04:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: 1. "Some people said that Diné represented the people in their time of suffering before the Long Walk, and that Navajo is the appropriate designation for the future."
Who is "some people"?
2. Why is that there is no history of the Navajo people before 1800s?
3. The "Navajo Nation and federal government jurisdictions" section does are very poor job introducing the Tribal Trust and the Tribal fee which are not explained whatsoever.
4. "Navajo Tribal chairman convicted for cause"
What does "convicted for cause" mean?
5. The "Demographics" section uses the expression "American Indian" which I presume should be replaced by "Native Americans" since we found out several centuries ago that no Indians lived in the Americas when Columbus went there.
6. "The Nation's median cash household income is around $20,000 per year."
What year?
7. Does the Navajo Nation have any casinos? I do not see anything mentioned in regards to that.
ICE77 (talk) 03:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions and comments 

message: Hello @Navajoindian, I saw that you replaced the current flag and seal with your own versions. Is there any reason for that? I took a look at the seal you uploaded and it was in the wrong file format (raster or .png/.jpg) rather than the preferred .svg format. Additionally the flag :File:Official design of the Navajo Nation flag as it was adopted on May 21, 1968.svg seems like a less detailed version of current version, :File:Navajo flag.svg. It also seems like there is some "artifacting" on your flag as well. So to avoid any so-called "edit wars", I'd appreciate it if you elaborate a bit on your reasoning behind the change. Hopefully we can resolve this quickly and without any fuss :) 
Sprucecopse (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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