Talk:Steve Jobs/Archive 1

message: Steve publicized steve at mac dot com when he rolled out iTools .Mac, and when he sends out company wide emails, they are from sjobs at apple dot com (Apple uses the convention of fist initial, last name for default email addresses.) Both addresses are most likely screened, and if you get a reply, it may or may not be from him. Hes Nikke 09:05, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC): 
:Nope, Steve reads his own e-mail.  sjobs at apple dot com and sjobs at pixar dot com will both reach him.
::the apple address is screened, I remember a while back a news story about someone having problems with a new Mac so they emailed him. In the story it said that his secretary passed on the message and he phoned them up to sort it out - which is why it made the news. I'm sure someone will be able to find the link. Matt Peacock 17:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where do I find Steve Jobs' email address?? 

message: First daughter Lisa (after whom the Apple Lisa was named) really should be mentioned! - David Gerard 00:44, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
:Who is the Mother of Lisa??? - just added to page by an anon. I had a copy of The Journey Is The Reward (paperback , hardback ) in Australia, but not here in London. This talks at length about this time in Steve's life. Anyone got a copy to hand?
::No, but she seems to go by "Lisa Brennan-Jobs". Dunno if she's hyphenating mom's name or a husband's (or if she's a madcap heiress with a penchant for double-barrelled surnames). - Nunh-huh 04:17, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lisa 

message: This love-fest for Steve Jobs is probably the most non-neutral article in the whole Wikipedia.
: Can you give examples which parts are non-neutral? Your comment is probably the most non-informative statement in the whole Wikipedia. If you think I'm a Steve Jobs lover, look at my page contributions which are nothing related to Apple Computers or Steve Jobs. (did a minor edit for "The Incredibles" article ages ago but that's the only Steve Jobs-related article that I edited) --Anonymous Cow 02:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Objective 

message: I feel the brief history/business venture split in this article is not a happy one. Would anyone object to a tasteful restructing? I am not looking to delete anything. -- Viajero 14:02, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fine to me. Stan 23:03, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  permission, please 

message: : I don't get the Baez crack: this seems like supposition unless there's a source (including Baez) who would state that Jobs was emulating Dylan instead of, you know, dating a famous and talented performer. --User:Glennf 09:48, 09 Jul 2005 (PDT)
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- From "The Second Coming of Steve Jobs"  page 37:
"Elizabeth Holmes* believed that Steve became the lover of Joan Baez in large measure because Baez had been the lover of Dylan." 
*(One of his closest friends from Reed College)
::Mr. Jobs is a known Dylan fan, and often uses his music when demoing new versions of iTunes. I can easily believe the comment, given his appreciation for Dylan. Alan 00:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baez Crack 

message: I put back the Arab father bit because in fact he is periodically mentioned as an notable Arab-American, so the source of the Arab descent is relevant, plus not everybody in Egypt is Arab (could be Turkish or Nubian). Stan 05:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab father 

message: I have changed the place of birth from Green Bay, Wisconsin to San Francisco, California   (see: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051204/GPG0101/512040591/1207/GPGnews).
His sister, Mona Simpson, was born in Green Bay.  But not Jobs.  - douga6
:thanks for the corrections, guys. --Yoasif 04:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placeof Birth 

message: It says "HELLO, JAKE K" under Early years.  Can't seem to get rid of it??!
: Not present for me. Bbatsell 22:41, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ctrl-F5 to force a refresh that ignores your cache, should clear it up Sherurcij 22:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible spam? can't delete 

message: Does the pronunciation thing make sense to anyone?  I know how to say "Steve Paul Jobs" but I don't have a clue where to start with "/dʒoʊbz/".  Is this vandalism?  AlistairMcMillan 17:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It 'makes sense', but is it correct? The IPA transcription (and it really needs to be flagged as such, rather than it just being assumed that people know what is meant by strange symbols within slashes) indicates a long O, "johbz". I've never heard anyone pronounce it that way - it's generally pronounced (to my knowledge) like the plural of the noun "job" (American English /dʒɑbz/, or British English /dʒɒbz/). Is there any authority for it being a long "O"? There's little point in having a phonetic transcription if it's pronounced exactly as it looks. Vilcxjo 01:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I recall reading somewhere that Steve Jobs got annoyed at people for calling it "joebs", following the biblical pronunciation. That IPA is plainly wrong. It's pronounced the same as the word meaning multiple occupations. I will remove it. -- tooki 16:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I'm pulling the "Some of his later success must also be attributed to three men" passage.  What is this based on?  Why these three men?  Why not Avi Tevanian or Jon Rubinstein or Alvy Ray Smith or Edwin Catmull?  It seems kind of arbitrary to pick these three.  Especially when the edit by 155.232.250.19 is unsourced. AlistairMcMillan 06:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. An uncited assertion like that should be removed. —BenFrantzDale 11:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lasseter/Ive/Fadell 

message: anyone know what steve jobs' pixar salary is?
we should probably add that... --Yoasif 03:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  pixar salary 

message: Since the page is currently locked to prevent vadalism, can someone at some point make the following minor edit: change the link in the first paragraph from "Toy Story series" to "Toy Story" (i.e. "series" shouldn't be part of the link). --Hux 05:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  But the article doesn't appear to be protected... --bbatsell | « give me a ring » 05:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know why, but the article was semi-protected. It wasn't even listed at Wikipedia:Protected page, so I have unprotected it. Mushroom 09:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits needed 

message: Is Mona Simpson really 100% biological sister of Steve Jobs. The reason I'm questioning this. I came across this Salon.com interview of Mona Simpson. An excerpt of the interview: ... All right, your half-brother, Steve Jobs [co-founder of Apple Computers]. I tried again to see another outside source that is saying this. It is the official Amazon.com review (non customer but an employee) of a Mona Simpson book saying, "...Mona Simpson's half-brother and the founder of Apple Computers" --J. Nguyen 01:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ms. Simpson is a full sister of Mr. Jobs. Both her parents are the same people as both of his biological parents. See iCon for further info.Alan 01:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mona Simpson is a half-sister?

message: "In an interview in the book What the Dormouse Said: How the 60s Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer, Markoff gets Apple CEO Steve Jobs on the record talking about how taking LSD was one of the most important influences in his life"
The sentence doesn't even have puncuation, and I really do not think it belongs in the article.
:I fixed it and added the reference. He's stated repeatedly that his experiences have been extremely important influences on his life, so they're as deserving of inclusion of anything else. - zambaccian
:Interesting that this has been removed from the article.  While I think it's interesting and important, I don't care to engage in edit wars with fanboys (or white-bread PR reps).  --76.168.51.139 (talk) 08:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it back in, in a more appropriate place and phrased better. If you have any issues with the passage please discuss them here.--Zambaccian (talk) 08:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LSD Experiences: Why is this here? 

message: Greeting all.  A while ago there was a peer review request made for this article.  Having done a fairly extensive review (Wikipedia:Peer review/Steve Jobs/archive1), I was disappointed not to see any responses to the review I conducted.  I agree this article should be featured sometime and would like to know what has been done following the review.  Thank you. -Fermion 09:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review follow up 

message: I put back the Arab father bit because in fact he is periodically mentioned as an notable Arab-American, so the source of the Arab descent is relevant, plus not everybody in Egypt is Arab (could be Turkish or Nubian). Stan 05:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab biological father 

message: I have changed the place of birth from Green Bay, Wisconsin to San Francisco, California   (see: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051204/GPG0101/512040591/1207/GPGnews).
His sister, Mona Simpson, was born in Green Bay.  But not Jobs.  - douga6
:thanks for the corrections, guys. --Yoasif 04:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth 

message: The article says, "Jobs ran NeXT with an obsession for perfection at any cost. This eye for detail ultimately destroyed NeXT's hardware division (rest of sentence omitted here)." That's a pretty bold statement, and it doesn't sound neutral to me. Perhaps this assertion should be elaborated upon (by someone who knows NeXT better than me!), so that it doesn't give the appearance of bias. --Tachikoma 16:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jobs' quest for perfection destroyed NeXT's hardware division? 

message: How would you all feel about changing the opening paragraph of  Early Years?
For example:
“Steven Paul Jobs was born on February 24, 1955 in San Francisco, California.  He was adopted shortly after birth by Paul & Clara Jobs of Mountain View, Santa Clara County, California.
Jobs went to Homestead High School “ etc.
In this way, we get out of the supermarket-tabloid type details which give the page a gossipy feel
instead of what it should be – an overall picture of the man for an encyclopedia.
And yes, of course the details of his birth parents are relevant.  But these can be covered in two lines at the bottom of the page, under Ancestry/Birth parentage.
eg:   
“His biological birth parents were an American graduate student, Joanne Carole Schieble, and a Syrian grad student, Abdulfattah John Jandali. At the time of birth, both were students at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, WI.”  Or something similar.
Sorry to rock the boat, but I think this could be an improvement.
It might also be worthwhile checking out the Peer Review by Fermion  on the Discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Steve_Jobs).
He/she says: “The entire personal life section can be improved. I fear that it reads too much like a dirt file on Steve Jobs, however, I would hate to see this information being lost to the public.”
They have a point. But it's up to you.- douga6
I agree, but I will take it a step further. I think the anecdote about Jobs, Woz, and the $5000 adds nothing to the article. The preceeding point about India is also vague. Why was he disturbing the other Atari employees? JGorton 03:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the First Paragraph of Early Years? 

message: Something's up with the "Annual salary" field of his infobox.  Currently it's: $1 USD (Apple), $52 USD (Pixar).  I won't change it because I'm not sure what those values should be. --Spaceman85 15:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annual salary 

message: I took it upon myself to follow the Be Bold mantra and slice a chunk off from the "Early Years." It was poorly written and offered little to nothing to the article as a whole, IMHO. If I'm out of line its revertable. :-) JGorton 00:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Cut 

message: Steve Jobs -
The general idea that hovers around the Steve Jobs image is that he is almost a God. He is the most omnipotent benevolent geek (even though he isnt strictly a Bill Gates geek) one could find... I contend that this is not true. The book iCon is very clear about this.
#He likes to show his power
#He used to have a tendency to cry whenever things went wrong
#He is Selfish
#He is obstinate
AND
#He himself is not the innovator behind Apple, Johnathon Ives and the Mac OS programmers are.
I wish to focus on the last one. In no way does he rightly deserve any praise particulary for any of the products that come out Apple. (And also in terms of Pixar i think its even clearer that he is in no way the innovator there.) Yes he can see what is viable, can help to perfect them in his own rude way. And yes he is an excellent face for Apple. But in no way is he the major innovator we all perceive him to be.
The article does a great job of his life, very objective (though laking in a few places) but not of him.... I feel that the controvosy section could be lengthened, and/or a section explaining the above matters could be included...
But i still hold that Steve Jobs is a great iCon  - Crampy20
:Mr. Jobs' greatness lies not in his ability to innovate, but in his leadership. Yes, he can be (and frequently is) abusive and abrasive, but he engenders a loyalty not often seen in CEOs of public companies. He may not do the actual innovation, but he spurs others on in a way no one else at Apple has ever done before. Alan 01:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: he is no innovator; he is a champion and perhaps a visionary.  Look at the products brought to market in his tenure at Apple (compared to what Apple put out when he wasn't there), where the "offpsring" of NeXT are today, what Pixar is noted for under his watch. Voideater 20:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs. The OTHER side... 

message: "Jobs then travelled to India. He returned with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing. He also returned to his previous job at Atari, but he could only come to work when all the other designers had gone home, so that he didn't disturb the other employees."
Is this vandalism? It doesn't make much sense. Gazpacho 23:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jobs then travelled to India

message: Why is the Disney, Co box at the bottom of the page?  Yes, Jobs will sometime this year become a major shareholder, perhaps a Board member, and at that time it may contribute significantly to his net worth.  But why not simply list the information on the page, link to Disney, and leave the box there? -- Gnetwerker 00:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jobs sits on the board of directors at Pixar, now part of Disney. He's in the template if you look for him (close to the top).--HereToHelp 19:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, my point is that the Disney acquisition of Pixar is not yet complete, Pixar is not yet part of Disney, and Jobs is not yet on the Disney Board.  This is all in the future. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. -- Gnetwerker 01:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh...  "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. In particular: Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event isn't already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. " What is the problem with the Disney box?  Jobs is going to be on their board.  It is well documented and "the event is notable and almost certain to take place". PaulC/T+ 01:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disney Box

message: "Jobs' entanglement and connection to Apple's computer's long history of racism and harassment against minorities, or outright denial of employment was revealed on October 23 of 2001, when he made a corporate-wide live announcement to Apple Computer's employees claiming that there would be "No Layoffs for the next 2 years", ironically on the same day as the iPod announcement. However, less then a week later, dozens of ethnic minorities, many of East Asian, West Asian, and South Asian decent among others were retroactively terminated - many of whom had been harassed and isolated against federal laws. While Jobs' knowledge of this event was well known, he never explained his motivations for this action, which also involved people that worked directly for him. Later, during an Intel-sponsored conference, Mr. Jobs, who was present at the conference, uttered a racial slur directed at Asians in response to Intel's announcement of planned expansion of its Research and Development into Asia - claiming that Asians will simply use the opportunity to steal designs and trade secrets."
The information presented here is known by thousands of people - of course they will not actually come forward because they will be retaliated against. I am one of a brave few who will expose this. Apple's awyers already know who I am and they obviously won't do anything about it because these are Facts.  Let me put it this way: Wikipedia is maintained by many apple employees, who create biographical articles about themselves and apple products, i guarantee that none of them will proclaim this info as false. --User:RememberOctober29 20:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's been one of those well-intentioned but perhaps misguided PC terms for quite a while.  It means Middle Eastern.  See When is an Asian not an Asian?. -- Muffuletta 21:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I strongly question that the two above comments were made by different people!--HereToHelp 00:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Steve Jobs "No Layoffs" Promise (lie) to Employees & Racist Slurs

message: I only just added my name to the Project Mac list, so I hesitate to pontificate, but...  jeez-o-flip!, this article needs more direct citations!  The article is long enough to generate one of those "longer than is preferable" warnings, yet there are only six direct citations (not counting the uncited references).  I urge everyone who has contributed to the article to go back and add a reference to back up whatever information they've contributed, using footnote form and the appropriate templates.  -- Muffuletta 21:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to be a member to contribute (welcome, though)—you don't even have to logged in! Yeah, sources and reliability are some of the worst problems with Wikipedia.--HereToHelp 21:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite sources

message: Am I right in presuming that any facts in the info box, on the upper right hand side of the main Jobs page, are absolutely correct.  And because of their prominent position they would not be there unless they had been thoroughly checked out?
I ask this because I am writing a paper on Jobs and I can't afford to make an error about his birth place and where he grew up.  
All the text references I can find, including four different books, plus the vital records office in San Francisco, show that he was born in that city (San Francisco).  And that he moved at the age of 4 or 5, with his adopted parents, to Santa Clara County and grew up in what is now known as Silicon Valley.
However in the info box on the main page it says just the opposite.  The earlier "Born in San Francisco, California" has been deleted.  And in its place is: "Grew up in San Francisco" - and I can not find anything at all that supports this statement.  Will someone please give me the citations/references that were examined before this was put in the info box?  As I say, I can't afford to make a mistake about this.   Many thanks, Wallnut
:It's Wikipedia and not a featured article, you think we know? I found this but it's not very helpful. Just google stuff: . If a bunch of sources agree, trust the "coalition".--HereToHelp 03:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article needs to be fixed. The infobox now contradicts the main text. Bwithh 03:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed the article to read San Francisco.  Numerous on-line sources say Los Gatos CA, but I cited the Smithsonian oral history interview in which Jobs says SF.  Forgot to remove "grew up in" from the infobox; perhaps someone else could do that.... -- Muffuletta 04:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Info box facts correct?

message: Someone recently changed the description of Steve's biological father, Abdulfattah John Jandali, from "politcal science professor" to "graduate student who later became a political science professor."  Perhaps whoever made that edit could provide a source, because this Guardian article (not necessarily Gospel) describes him as a political science professor who went to San Francisco," and whose "relationship with student Joanne Carole Schieble" produced Steve. -- Muffuletta 14:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Good article.  I added a citation. -- Muffuletta 15:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biological father redux

message: I'm not sure right now how to re-write the section about the PARC influence, because clearly there was some, but according to Raskin himself the base concepts were actually there before PARC started their work. clacke 12:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PARC? 

message: I think I recognize the sentence, "Baez and Jobs presumably remain friends, as evidenced by her mention of him in the acknowledgements of her 1987 memoir And A Voice To Sing With." from the biographyThe Second Coming of Steve Jobs - I don't have a copy of the book any longer, but I do remember it has an index. Can someone check whether this is the exact sentence used in the book?
TDS  (talk • contribs)  20:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the sentence to simply read "Baez included a mention of Jobs in the acknowledgements of her 1987 memoir And A Voice To Sing With" - this way the sentence is much less presumptious, and more fact then simple guess work. TDS  (talk • contribs)  06:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Copyright Vio 

message: Aside from the warning the page is generating, the article is too long. We're having a hard time separating Steve Jobs from Apple Computer. Consider the paragraph on the Apple I for example: it talks more about Woz than Jobs.
How should we rectify this? JGorton 21:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: Does anyone have confirmation that's really his? Resume section looks like a rant.
I highly doubt that its his, but there's no wayt to prove otherwise. Darkyoshi 00:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs' homepage? 

message: I wanted to review the less than reliable sources used as citations for this section:
*http://aapl.bloggingstocks.com/2006/04/26/steve-jobs-the-king-of-cupertino-speaks-before-the-city-counci/ - Reference is not about his health but about steve talking to the city council
*http://www.wired.com/news/columns/cultofmac/0,71557-0.html - cult of mac columnist speculates based on his observations, no editorial review, anecdotal evidence.
*http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-6103427.html blog post from Michelle Meyers
*http://www.tuaw.com/2006/08/07/2006-wwdc-keynote-now-available-on-apple-com/#comments -Link to the comments section of a weblog, guessing this is linkspam.
*http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=222602 -Link to a message on a forum.
*http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?threshold=3&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change&sid=193422 - link to a slashdot thread.
*http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/8/8/4913 - commenting on the cult of mac column.
None of these sources have editorial review as is the case with real news articles. Columnist opinion, Blog Posts, Slashdot threads, are sources just not reliable ones. 
WP:BLP States "Biographies of living persons should be sourced with particular care, for legal and moral reasons. All negative material about living persons must be sourced to a reliable source. Do not wait for another editor to request a source. If you find unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about a living person — whether in an article or on a talk page — remove it immediately. Do not leave it in the article and ask for a source. Do not move it to the talk page. This applies whether the material is in a biography or any other article." 
Reliable sources in wikipedia are defined here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Evaluating_sources of note is the following:
Evaluate the reliability of online sources just as you would print or other more traditional sources. Neither online nor print sources deserve an automatic assumption of reliability by virtue of the medium they are printed in. All reports must be evaluated according to the processes and people that created them.
Publications with teams of fact-checkers, reporters, editors, lawyers, and managers — like the New York Times or The Times of London — are likely to be reliable, and are regarded as reputable sources for the purposes of Wikipedia. At the other end of the reliability scale lie personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, and Usenet posts, which are typically not acceptable as sources. 
thanks, ---Paul E. Ester 17:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all true. However, since the portion of the article in question refers to speculation by the online Apple community, these sources would seem to be appropriate—by their existence, they serve as evidence of such speculation. A more applicable objection to raise might be WP:NOR, but really, that would be pedantic in the extreme. There are genuine health concerns about Steve, and we shouldn't try to cover them up by misinterpreting WP:CS.  —Banzai! (talk) @ 17:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Relative to the information previously included in this article, very well established sources like Wired, CNET News.com.com, and Ars Technica can be considered reliable sources. Notice the title of the previous section was "health concerns". If the article were to be saying that Steve Jobs was indeed sick then there'd be a problem but this is not the case. The fact that these reports relative to health concerns about Steve Jobs are rather wide spread means the weight of such information is heavier as well. This discussion is likely going to soon be moot as full blown news reports about these concerns are probably going to turn up shortly.  (→Netscott) 18:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: One more thing. Let’s not forget that WP:V, WP:RS, etc. are only means to a common goal: an accurate, useful, readable encyclopedia. I’m fond of the rule that says “if the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia's quality, ignore them”—if you ask me, the most sensible rule of all.  —Banzai! (talk) @ 19:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Relative to WP:BLP, WP:IAR will generally never apply. It appears that the San Francisco Chronicle is picking up Wired's report search "sick" here. (→Netscott) 19:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Good catch, finding that Chronicle article. I’ll revise the citations in a minute.  —Banzai! (talk) @ 19:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In an earlier edit I specified the source for details about Jobs' appearance at the 2006 WWDC in the article (moreso than just relying upon ref. links). If this "health concerns" material is to remain in the article (as it is currently) then the actual individuals (and organizations) should be directly mentioned (ie: "according to Leander Kahney of Wired Steve Jobs... etc. etc."). (→Netscott) 19:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That would work, but how about putting that kind of detail in the citation template, as I've just finished doing? Thing is, if we cram the body text full of "On such-and-such date, So-and-so of Such-and-such publication remarked..." I'm worried that the article will become more verbose and clumsy than necessary. In specific instances like the Ars Technica citation, where we're hearing stuff through another author, I agree that the body text does need to mention the source.  —Banzai! (talk) @ 20:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can tell, at this point there are only two primary reliable sources for the possibility of sickness angle and that's Wired and CNET. I found this MacDailyNews link that discusses it as well. At minimum the CNET and Wired authors need to be mentioned in the article. (→Netscott) 20:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd support that, Netscott.  —Banzai! (talk) @ 21:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe these are your edits being discussed... if you support my suggestion then by all means implement it. (→Netscott) 21:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I apologize, but I gotta scoot. Paul, go ahead and revert the section if you must (but don't break the page!)—I'll be back later for your take on the above discussion. No, I'm not running away! :-)  —Banzai! (talk) @ 21:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Analysis of Steve's WWDC 2006 speech

message: Although I'm not a Windows fan, I do respect Bill Gates for the generous donations he and his wife and given to charity. Just wondering if there are any reports of Steve Jobs doing the same? He's definetely one of the richest people in America right now. Mentaka 21:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity? 

message: am i reading this right or is this a typo,his salary is one USD?
That is correct, US$1 a year.  However, that's just the salary and does not include stock options, bonuses, etc.--Marty Goldberg 22:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I USD? 

message: A GA reviewer will have trouble passing this article because of the presence of unsourced statements. Every  tag needs to be replaced with an inline citation from a reliable source. Thank you. -Fsotrain09 22:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Concern: Unsourced Statements 

message: This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
:1. Well written? Pass
:2. Factually accurate? Pass
:3. Broad in coverage? Pass
:4. Neutral point of view? Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images? Fail
Additional comments :
* :Image:Apple first logo.jpg, :Image:NextLogo.png,:Image:Steve Jobs with iMac.jpg, :Image:Pixar.jpg need to give their fair use rationale.
* In the lead section, Jobs’s history in business (rich in character and intrigue) has contributed greatly to the mythos of the quirky, individualistic Silicon Valley entrepreneur, emphasizing the importance of design and understanding that aesthetics is a crucial factor in product appeal. His work driving forward the development of products that are both functional and elegant has earned him a devoted cult following. idealizes Jobs.
* The word CEO should be wikilinked at least once in the main text.
* Both Even though he was the founder and the inspiration behind the original company, Steve Jobs was gradually pushed out of Apple Computer Co. for his aggressive and underhanded tactics. and While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic evangelist for Apple, some of his employees from that time had described him as an erratic and tempestuous manager. should be inline cited.
* Also Jobs ran NeXT with an obsession for aesthetic perfection, as evidenced such things as the NeXT Cube's magnesium case. should be inline cited.
* Words like In recent years, should be avoided to remove timeframe in WP.
* I seriously doubt the utility/encyclopedicness of such section as In popular culture but if it remains it wont bother the GA nomination.
This article is thoroughly well written but needs more citations at mentioned places I have requested (some more would be needed but book references are given to find the material). Fixing these minor adjustments will probably be easy so the editors should drop me a message once the work has been carried out.
Lincher 02:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent addition of Jobs’s history in business (rich in character and intrigue) has contributed greatly to the mythos of the quirky, individualistic gives a feeling of pov to the article. Lincher 02:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: Is there any source / citation for the following: "Even though he was the founder and the inspiration behind the original company, Steve Jobs was gradually pushed out of Apple Computer Co. for his aggressive and underhanded tactics" at the end of the "Beginnings of Apple Computer" section? [maven] 13:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginnings of Apple Computer - "pushed out for underhanded tactics"? 

message: The article mainly fails the GA criterion of stability for it is changing at a crazy pace whether it is vandalism or additions. Thus GA cannot be awarded. Lincher 12:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA failed

message: Does anyone know if Jobs is left or right handed? --ipodracer 07:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Left or right hand

message: Should there be a paragraph/section added about the recent developments about Jobs having unauthorized stock options? ([]) I'm not really familiar with the story, and I'm not even sure how important it's going to turn out to be, so there's not much I can do. 69.128.165.102 14:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's wait for more information.--HereToHelp 14:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock fraud? 

message: In the box in the bottom of the article i says that Steve was CEO fram 1977-1985, and from 1997 - untill today. It is incorrect Jobs was not CEO before his comeback in 1997, yes he was the co-founder and an important person in the company, but he never worked as a CEO in apple. Wikipedia also contradict themself on this mather because other article tells about other Apple CEOs in the years 1977-1985. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Modin (talk • contribs) 01:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jobs was not CEO 1977-1985 

message: Apple CEO Steve Jobs stunned the tech and music industries Tuesday with a surprising challenge to the music industry to allow online stores — such as Apple's iTunes and Napster — to sell digital music files without the so-called digital-rights management (DRM) anti-piracy controls. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250576,00.html Crocoite 01:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple's Jobs Urges End to Copy-Protected Music Files 

message: Is Steve Jobs' biological mother, Joanne Simpson, still alive?    There used to be occasional mentions of her (usually saying "no comment" when asked about her son) when she lived in Beverly Hills, but nothing for the last year or so.  Seb17 15:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Joanne Simpson still living? 

message: Can someone change Steve's Net Worth? He is not worth 20 billion dollars. I know someone got that info from an article in the Barron magazine, but that article states Steve is worth 20 billion to Apple in market capitalization. His net worth is 4.9 billion dollars according for Forbes.com 67.167.53.86 03:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net Worth 

message: Apparently this guy makes $1 every year. That makes me richer than him, yet I'm not listed in Forbes...
Is this vandalism or did I miss something?--Surfaced 04:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already covered above.  Not vandalism.  --Marty Goldberg 05:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: According to the article, Steve Job's wealth is measured at 4.9 billon. This is based of Forbes' "400 Richest Americans" list (posted 9/21/06). However, Forbes has also another list, "World's Billionaries," which places Job's wealth at 5.7 billion. This latter list is more accurate because it was posted 03/08/07, and has a slightly more updated short bio (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_Steven-Jobs_HEDB.html). The apparent contradiction might be explained in that the people at Forbes has not yet revised all the content on their website, which allows for old information to remain in-- a particularly bothersome problem, especially since many of the same people appear in more than one list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.127.34 (talk) 17:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update Steve Job's Personal Wealth. 

message: I am having difficulty verifying the following sentence:
:Jobs is a big Barbra Streisand fan, as he attends many of her concerts and corresponds with her frequently.
I could not find a reference to Streisand in either The Second Coming or iCon or through Google and Lexis/Nexis searches. Can anyone else verify this? Otherwise I'll remove it. GabrielF 14:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbra Steisand 

message: Presumably, Steve Jobs can't be legally allowed to not have a plate. "Exceptions"? Puh-leaze. The article linked to doesn't say anything about Steve Jobs' Mercedes more than explaining the fact that he owns it. I'm going to take out the part explaining that he's exempt, because the car looks pretty new. --Lightdifference 06:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve's Car 

message: I removed some non-free images that didn't have a fair use rationale for this article. I found two interesting free images that maybe could be used for this article: Steve Jobs alone and together with Bill Gates. I think the first image would make a good portrait for the infobox, when cropped. – Ilse@ 00:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of removing images with no fair use rationale, you should add one in. - Throw 21:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The image with Bill Gates is already on Commons. Image:JobsGatesJI1.jpg --Joi 04:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free images 

message: No mention of the fact that he seems to wear the exact same type of clothes and sneakers every day?  That seems at least noteworthy.  Maybe I'm the only one who finds it intriguing (especially the irony of monotony from a company whose motto is/was Think Different), but it's a large part of his persona, and seems appropriate for inclusion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.231.128.67 (talk) 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dress Code 

message: In the infobox instead of putting the number of children Jobs has why not just put their names? His spouse's name is there, it'd be like taking her name out and putting "1" in its place. - Throw 00:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jobs' children

message: Acording to the article, Jobs is Disney's largest shareholder.  In fact, he is at best Disney's largest individual shareholder.  The source cited says he was due to become Disney's largest shareholder upon completion of the Pixar deal.  However http://biz.yahoo.com/t/18/4013.html says that Jobs currently holds just 3(!) Disney shares.  It showns an acquisition of 138,000,004 shares, followed by a statement of ownership of 3 shares, both dated 5-May-06.  81.76.107.126 20:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disney shareholding 

message: Wouldn't it be a good idea to add all the steve's best quotes in the article, he really has legendary one liners. It'll be a nice addition to the profle. Check the quotations here Randhirreddy 16:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Randhirreddy, Wikipedia has a companion project called Wikiquote that does have a lot of Steve Jobs quotes.  There is a link to Steve's page on Wikiquote on the right in the "External links" section.  In general, though, quotes shouldn't go in Wikipedia articles unless they're very notable and instrumental to or illustrative of the subject's life.  —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 17:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Randhirreddy 04:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: adding quotations

message: The introductory section states that Jobs returned to Apple when NeXT was bought out in 1997 and that he was CEO from then on. However, the "Return to Apple" section states that NeXT was acquired in 1996, and Steve became CEO in 1997. These two sections need to be harmonized and one needs to be corrected, obviously. Canjecricketer 18:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NeXT Buyout Date inconsistency 

message: Hi. I'm not quite sure who the special individual was that wrote this sentence: 
"...it would solve a lot of the problems that "personal" computing had come up against. Jobs had been criticized for not including built-in networking features on the original Macintosh (calling it an "umbilical cord to the company"), and he was determined not to repeat the mistake. "
But the very first Macintosh in fact was very much designed around networking. The serial ports were designed to act both as serial ports, and also as appletalk interfaces (http://www.mac512.com/macwebpages/128k.htm). I'm surprised no one caught this one. My editing recommendation is to remove the sentence, especially since its not backed up by any sources.
oblivionboy 00:56, 6th October 2007 (UTC)
:I've pulled the sentence in question.  I couldn't find a source to back it up, and looking up the supposed quote from Jobs resulted in only pointers to this page and mirrors, so it doesn't look like it was a valid one.  —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 06:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very First Macintosh DID Include Networking (called Appletalk) 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. szyslak 08:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Steve Jobs}}]] 

message: "Steve Jobs was born on February 24, 1955 in San Franciscois a fag". I found this in the article, what is this world coming too? I'm going to change that to San Francisco. People...enough with the homophobia, let there be love people.
Thank you!
SkinnerIJA (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whoa, whoa, whoa! Homophobia alert here!

message: I noticed that it shows a salary of $1, is this correct, i think it shows the wrong sort of message, it may be that he has commision and not a commision, and if this is the case, then maybe it should be stated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillip.northfield (talk • contribs) 16:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, check on any list of paid CEOs and he'll be listed. ALTON .ıl 05:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled (salary) 

message: With all due respect, I think the health concerns section is WAY too long. There's a complete explanation of the tumor involved and the effects on a human being, almost as if it belongs in a section of its own. I think it would suffice to just mention some of the facts that affected Steve Job's professional career and personal life, but people that are interested in how this is cured or anything can just click on the links in the text, right? Svenmathijssen (talk) 11:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health concerns 

message: The health concerns section contains a rambling, 50-line essay on the numerous reasons why Jobs' weight loss is ok (discussions of pancreatic enzymes, etc).  It seems like its there more to assuage investor concerns than to be informative.  Anything that puts that much effort into one side of the argument should probably call out that perhaps he's had a relapse (denied or otherwise) of pancreatic cancer.  Frankly, I don't think either POV belongs here, and it should be sufficient to say that his weight loss has caused concern and that there are both benign and malignant explanations possible...   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.108.104 (talk) 18:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protest Too Much? 

message: There are some very nice shots of his face here, that are licensed under CC. I don't know what the editors of this article prefer as the main picture but a closeup somewhere in the article is nice. ALTON .ıl 05:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face-shot pictures 

message: Why does the image about this person have to also be an advertisement for the mac book air as well?JayKeaton (talk) 20:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The infobox image 

message: The article states:
"In 1984, Jobs purchased a 17,000 square foot, 14 bedroom Spanish Colonial mansion, designed by George Washington Smith in Woodside, California, also known as Jackling House. Although it reportedly remained in an almost unfurnished state, Jobs lived in the mansion for ten years. According to reports, he kept an old BMW motorcycle in the living room, and let Bill Clinton use it in 1998."
What does the last "it" refer to?  The mansion or the motorcycle (or the living room)?  The clarity here could be improved.Daqu (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarity needed 

message: The opening paragraph states that Jobs Founded Pixar, surely this is incorrect as I thought he bought the studio off George Lucas. Tiki Nss (talk) 13:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Steve Jobs is NOT the founder of Pixar, it was a division of Lucasfilm that George Lucas sold to Jobs in 1986. Gonna have to change that. --219.93.207.114 (talk) 07:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs - Founder of Pixar 

message: Someone recently changed his name in the article to be "Steve P. Jobs".  
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Jobs&curid=7412236&diff=218148403&oldid=218131404
In the past he was listed as "Steve Jobs (born Steven Paul Jobs..." Was there some consensus in the past on how his name should appear?
Tweisbach (talk) 12:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As usual, all changes should concern WP:VER, Sir Lothar (talk) 01:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven P. Jobs 

message: The intro is quite bad -- "As Apple continued to expand..." is the lead, even though the founding of Apple has yet to be mentioned! Cj67 (talk) 01:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beginning of Apple]] 

message: A recent edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Jobs&diff=221559496&oldid=221535516 , added the category "Apple Employee" to this article. Normally it isn't necessary to add an article to a category when it is a member of a subcategory, as this article is already in the "Apple Executive" category. There are some exceptions to this rule, see Wikipedia:Categorization_and_subcategories#Secondary_categorization_rule, but I don't this this article qualifies for those exceptions, because Steve Jobs is no ordinary employee of Apple. Tweisbach (talk) 05:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tweisbach, it was more of a convenience to be able to see all the key Apple players in one category. Jonathan Ive is Senior Vice President of Industrial Design at Apple, Inc., but he's not listed in the executives category; he's listed in the employees category.  Neither can I access Timothy Cook, Scott Forstall, et al from the executives category. While I agree Steve Jobs is no ordinary employee, the executives category has really served no purpose in educating the user about all the key players of Apple. Founder Steve Wozniak is nowhere to be found. This change really is about providing information at-a-glance. I'm not suggesting ideological changes. I'm a pragmatist, not an ivory tower feed-them-cake intellectual nutjob. I see no harm, especially since it's just 20 more characters. If I want to see a list of all Apple Inc. employees, Steve Jobs will be there. If I want to see a list of all Apple Inc. executives, he'll be there.  But if you're going to make this change, do it for the rest of them. Otherwise, the Apple Inc. executives will have little practical value because of over-bureaucratizing. I'll be okay with it as long as I can find all the big dogs under one category, not in employees as it is right now. Otherwise, I think duality is an acceptable compromise. AmasianCrasian (talk) 07:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like you should not remove Steve Jobs from Apple Inc. employees.  The Apple Inc. executives category has been nominated for deletion on 2008/01/30. See the discussion and the actual notice.  Remember, Tweisbach, the goal of the encyclopedia is to make it more useful. More categories is not necessarily a good thing. Categories that are too large are not a good thing either. I think it is appropriate that Apple Inc. executives will be deleted to that effect. I'd like to be able to access a list that gives me links to everyone important in one place. AmasianCrasian (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Employee Category 

message: This section is not written like an encyclopedic section should be. It speculates on theories, without sourcing them, and contains only three references, all in the last paragraph. It reads like an essay, and it seems to contain a lot of original research. I think it needs to be improved or eliminated outright (it doesn't add much to the article in its present state, in my opinion). nneonneo talk 21:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  It reads like a personal essay that has just been tacked on.  Deletion seems a good idea. FlyingToaster (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I happen to agree with everything written in that section, but I still think it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Sort of silly.--Asderoff (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi I wrote this section.  I thought it would be interesting to include Jobs as a creative genius.  This is original research, from what I've read about Mr. Jobs over the years.  Hopefully someone can incorporate this type of a section in the page with the following:
*Think different, the original slogan of Apple Computer.
*Attempting to create products that are future oriented.
*Aesthetic  and functional perfection (impulsive buy products).  Since the early Apple days, Jobs has inspired himself by creating products that look and feel better than others in the same industry.
*Connecting the dots.  Innovation and creativity is about connecting the dots.  Every life experience you have adds to your ability to be creative.  You have to understand what you're creating, and really come up with a thorough product.
*Egocentricity and grandiosity- Jobs is famous for his ability to criticize products, reject initial showings of products, and make decisions based on his gut-feelings.  Many of Jobs' products have been larger than life.
*Individuality.  Many of Jobs' products have been items that an individual can truly fall in love with.
*Simplicity.  Many of Jobs' products have been easier to use than rivals.  This was one of Jobs' target areas when creating the original Mac.
*Be an artist.  Marketing is more about creativity than business subjectivity.  Jobs is famous for his artistic thinking style, and his ability to apply those skills in the business world.
*Unorthodox business methods.  Instead of utilizing market research to come up with products, Jobs has been more liberal in his product design process.
*Not constrained by possibilites.  Jobs creates products that programmers and engineers deem difficult or expensive to make.
If anyone would like to modify and add such a section, I can come up with general references.  Otherwise, I'd just like to leave this on the talk page, because it is research I have done, and I think it would be interesting for others to read.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.7.3.202 (talk) 13:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The problem with such a section is that it constitutes original research (see WP:NOR). Such material is not verifiable, and does not belong in an encyclopedia. That's why we have chosen to leave this section out of the article. nneonneo talk 15:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "creative genius" is an overly-complimentary one which has no place in an academic reference resource. It is insolent in a way, since academia is ostensibly propelled by creative genii, although in modern times it is often the case where the work of anonymous genii is plagiarised by established scholars. As such, the term "creative genius" serves a propagandist purpose in a reference work. Further, Steve Wozniak was responsible for Apple's early success, and in like pattern Jobs employed similarly talented people, taking credit for successful Apple projects. This would disqualify Jobs from entitlement to the description of "creative genius," even it had a legitimate place in a reference work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.63.120 (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Steve Jobs as a Creative Genius" section 

message: 'Jobs' as a name is not plural, so the possessive form would be Jobs's, so I will correct this. -kevin talkemail  01:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jobs' vs. Jobs's 

message: This article is awful. The lead is inaccurate, the prose is pitiful, the layout is bad and loads of information is missing. I own several books about Steve Jobs, including Steve Jobs: The Journey Is the Reward (1988), The Little Kingdom (1984) and Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing (1993). All three greatly cover Jobs's early days at Apple and much of his years at NeXT and Pixar. Many of the recent events can be sourced to trade journals, newspapers and magazines.  I'm going to start planning a rewrite, and I'll post things here for review by others. — Wackymacs (talk ~ edits) 21:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be rewritten 

message: Almost all high profile billionaires have criticism sections except Steve Jobs. I suggest that one be added to meet POV expectations. For example, you can point out that Jobs is virtually the only one on the Forbes 400 that has not given large amounts of money to charity. This is noted here: http://www.forbes.com/home/forbes/2008/1006/039.html If no one objects, I will add one. I like his computers, but he should have some philanthrapyJakeH07 (talk) 23:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Errm. "Steven Jobs: Zero - That we know of." Is this list about how much was given - or about how much the person talked about giving? Lars T. (talk) 00:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is sourced at the bottom. They have to put disclaimers on it to avoid being sued. It came from Chronicle of Philanthrapy in addtion to Forbes. Multi-Billion Dollar donations don't exactly disappear quickly. Bottom line, the list can be backed up and meets qualifications as a reference. Anyway, that was just an example, it dosen't have to be the lone fact of a criticism section.JakeH07 (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Jobs is also absent from the Indiana University's Center on Philanthropy list (which shows donations over 1-mil) and the Giving USA Foundation list(which shows donations over 5-mil)JakeH07 (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section needed 

message: Yes, his stated salary is $1. However, I have previously read that Jobs started the practice of CEOs receiving stock options rather than salaries (as well as backdating them, etc.) He doesn't really earn $1 for leading Apple each year. Therefore, stating his salary this way is misleading. As an example, in 2007 his salary was $1 but he exercised expiring stock options worth $14.6 million. So, the salary segment in the infobox should say something like "$1 plus stock options" to be more accurate.--Gloriamarie (talk) 21:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  $1 Salary 

message: Opening statement suggests he co-created one of the first commercially viable personal computers.  He did not, and never has, created any piece of electronics.  Steve Jobs SOLD one of the first commercially viable personal computers, designed by Wozniak.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.222.219 (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he not only helped building them, including soldering chips, he also convinced Woz to actually build and sell the machine in the first place — so yes, he did "create". Lars T. (talk) 12:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created 

message: Does anyone else feel that the almost religious adoration that Steve Jobs recieves from quite a number of people deserves more than the sentence in the introduction which mentions he has quite a following.  It really is quite an unusual phenomenon to see this kind of thing in a person who is not a political or religious leader really, after all he is just a guy in charge of a business which sells things rather than working in service to the public.  It is also rather odd when you consider the lack of philanthropic activities of both Steve Jobs and Apple Inc when compared to those of say Microsoft and Bill Gates, both of which are percieved more negatively than Apple and Steve Jobs despite the huge donations and similar buisiness practised by both Microsoft and Bill Gates (even when accounting for the differences in turnover and personal wealth).  Obviously it would need to be re-worked to comply with NOR.  I could probably dig up the comparison between Microsoft and Apple's philanthropic activities and hopefully another contrasting Jobs and gates if enough people agree that this aspect of Steve Jobs should be expanded in the article. Colostomyexplosion (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult of personality 

message: I would like an explanation from someone up in the Wiki cloud there, about why my humble contribution was almost instantly deleted about the Dec. 30, 2008 news concerning Steve's health;  viz: gizmodo.com published an article saying that his health was "rapidly declining," citing a "solid source."  Although this cannot be confirmed at this point, Reuters did report that Apple, Inc. stock dropped by as much as 2% on Dec. 30 due to this news. I think this is significant enough to include in the article. 
<<((:-:))>>0X0<<((:-:))>> (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because, as you state, it "cannot be confirmed at this point". An encylcopedia isn't the place to repeat rumors in the media. See WP:RS and WP:BLP. (and, one can never state with certainty that this report is the reason the stock fell) --ZimZalaBim talk 19:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can read WP:V, but basically, you need to provide a link to a neutral third party source. HereToHelp (talk to me) 20:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health concerns 

message: There should be something here about Jobs's vegetarian/fruitarian lifestyle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.207.165.226 (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarianism 

message: The article has: 
: NeXT's subsequent 1997 buyout by Apple Computer Inc. brought Jobs back to the company he co-founded, and he has served as its CEO since then
However he did not become CEO again until 2000, so please change to:
: NeXT's subsequent 1997 buyout by Apple Computer Inc. brought Jobs back to the company he co-founded, and he has served as its CEO since 2000
E.g. according to this: . Thanks. 86.9.126.174 (talk) 19:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please edit this protected page 

message: For the bit about his six-month leave of absence to let the company operate independently, I'm not sure that's the best choice of words. He has clearly stated in the memo that he is still CEO and will be involved in strategy decisions. 'Independently' doesn't seem to be the right way to describe this. Glal14 (talk) 05:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It would be WP:OR to state that his intent to let the company operate "independently". --ZimZalaBim talk 05:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLP reminds us that we have to be sure to get biography articles "right", and this seems like a pretty clear case of someone editorializing, so I've removed the text in question.  Warren -talk- 05:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest health concerns edit 

message: I've checked the reference, which is http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index.htm, but couldn't find any proof.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.136.205 (talk) 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Any proof for what exactly? Who his biological parent are? Try page two of that article. Lars T. (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve's Biological Parents 

message: Steve did come back as the iCEO!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.134.215 (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the matter with you all? 

message: Steve Jobs has a neuroendocrine tumor "NET" that is located on his pancreas.  As a Carcinoid Cancer/NET survivor and activist, this is a very important distinction. I have neuroendocrine tumors on my liver, but I do not have liver cancer.  For more information on Carcinoid and other NETs, interested readers should go to the Carcinoid Cancer Foundation website at www.carcinoid.org.  In addition they can read the Journal of the National Cancer Institute which published a commentary on "Priorities for Improving the Management of 
Gastroenteropancreatic Neuroendocrine Tumors" in September, 2008 (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/100/18/1282).
NETs are exceedingly rare, and Jobs would not be the first NET patient to be mistakenly informed that they had been "cured" by surgery.  While his current health problems could be the result of something completely different than the resurgence of his NET, from a distance, his symptoms; hormonal imbalance, loss of weight, are consistant with the symptons caused by NETs.  Jobs may not be able to tell any more than he has already said, because neither he, nor medical science knows that much about NETs.  MitchellBerger (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His cancer is classified as a type of pancreatic cancer, both by Wikipedia and in terms of describing cancers by the organ they originate in. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jobs does not have pancreatic cancer 

message: According to the cited article , this is from unnamed sources. Jobs, Apple etc. are staying silent. Is this solid enough for inclusion - it reads like rumour rather than solid fact to me, and many of the current news reports seem to agree. I suggest we remove it as rumour and wait and see. --Rogerb67 (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After further reading   I've decided to go ahead and edit this; please feel free to delete entirely (still my preferred option), discuss further or find more authoritative references. --Rogerb67 (talk) 15:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the article and it is clearly speculation. "People who are monitoring his illness" can include anyone who is following the illness - including us. It is not a reliable statement until the source is substantiated by someone who is actually in contact with the doctors treating Jobs, Jobs himself, or Apple's Board.  I've removed the paragraph. ~ PaulT+/C 23:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegation Jobs is considering a liver transplant 

message: Perhaps; I found two apparently reliable sources   describing him as "vegetarian", a common term for those who follow a pescetarian diet. --Rogerb67 (talk) 10:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pescetarian? 

message: Perhaps this is an interesting fact that came out from Steve Jobs himself and the link is already available in the main page as link 17 (speech at Stanford).
While at Reed he was poor and would walk 7 miles across town every Sunday night to get one good vegetarian meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrahma (talk • contribs) 21:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarian 

message: He is still the C.E.O. He has been diagnosed with a hormone balance, explaining the weight loss, and will remain C.E.O. as he undergoes treatment. Steve Jobs wrote on Monday, January 5, 2009, “I will be the first one to step up and tell our board of directors if I can no longer continue to fulfill my duties as Apple’s C.E.O.” 
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/technology/companies/06apple.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arannarose (talk • contribs) 16:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave of absence 

message: Jobs and staff at Apple claim that he has recovered from his pancreatic cancer, and that he has some kind of unspecified hormone problem which means he cannot work for months. Obviously, his medical records are not accessible to the public, so we cannot know for sure what his current condition is, but it seems more likely that he currently has pancreatic cancer and / or complications caused by said disease or treatment that he had for it. If he really does have a hormone imbalance, how could it be known that he would need six months to recover from it? Someone with detailed knowledge of such conditions, please state what the truth of the situation is most likely to be. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Given his prior work records, it's impossible to believe that this is not something related to his pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor. It's possible that either: 1) he is ill from an equally devastating condition that is truly unrelated; 2) they were lying about the pathology all along and this was pancreatic adenocarcinoma rather than the less deadly neuroendocrine subtype. It's hard to believe what Apple has been telling the public. Given the inconsistencies so far, it seems more likely that they're waiting for the appropriate time to disclose his condition where it will have a minimal stock market effect... although all of what I am saying is speculation. GG The Fly (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is he still planning to return to work at the end of June?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.48.167 (talk) 17:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current health status 

message: Biological and adoptive: are each of them alive or dead? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: The Association of Graphic Arts of Asturias ( http://agasturias.es/noticia2.asp?codigo=116 ) has proposed to co-founder of Apple, as a candidate in the category of Science and Technology Award 2009 Prince of Asturias.
The nomination is supported by the Spanish Federation of Industries Graphic ( http://www.feigraf.es/ ) and emphasizes the major trend of Jobs and his contributions, especially in the design of the GUI, the founding of Apple and the many innovative devices that have launched ( PDF of the nomination (Spanish, published by El Mundo  http://estaticos.elmundo.es/documentos/2009/02/26/candidaturaSJ2009_ok.pdf )
The application provides an overview of the life and work of Jobs stressing that “under his leadership, Apple has been developing innovative concepts that are standard today.”
Among them are the iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone … for those who say “all marked a turning point in its different sections, one before and one after it has finished checking the path in the evolution of trends in the lifestyle of present and future generations.”
The partnership expects to support the nomination, whose awards will be delivered in the autumn in Oviedo. Interestingly, the candidacy of one of the most prestigious awards in the world after the Nobel, he arrives at the Jobs that his health is not very good due to a pancreatic cancer that has suffered and that led him to leave temporarily direction of Apple.
Prince of Asturias Awards
The Prince of Asturias Awards ( http://www.fundacionprincipedeasturias.org/webpremios/ing/02/index.html ) are annual prizes given by the Fundación Príncipe de Asturias in Spain, in eight categories, including arts, communications, literature and sports, among others. 
The yearly awards, which began in 1981, seek to acknowledge notable achievements in each category from the prior year. The Prince of Asturias Foundation was founded in the city of Oviedo on September 24th, 1980, at a formal ceremony presided over by the Prince of Asturias. http://www.fundacionprincipedeasturias.org/webpremios/ing/03/index.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xelu10 (talk • contribs) 10:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Paul Jobs. Prince of Asturias awards 2009  nomination 

message: I noticed that the article doesn't show that when Bloomberg's mistaken article was released, Apple's stock took a big hit that day, I think it was around 6%.. this is kind of important.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.191.79 (talk) 20:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that article is just rumor. Wait until he actually returns. Tweisbach (talk) 02:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: CNBC has confirmed it, see the ref I added.  But I'm leaving the "it has been reported" in this BLP. PhGustaf (talk) 20:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Concerns 

message: Noloop recently made a change to the article which took away the claim that Steve Jobs is the largest shareholder of Disney. Is there any recent information on this? Tweisbach (talk) 09:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is in Footnote #8 on the main page:  The 400 Richest Americans
#43 Steve Jobs - The Forbes 400 Richest Americans 200909.30.09, 06:00 PM EDT .....Best investment: bought Pixar from George Lucas in 1986 for $10 million; created string of hits (Finding Nemo, Toy Story). Sold to Disney in 2006 for $7.4 billion in stock. Today is Disney's largest shareholder; stake worth $3.9 billion.'  --douga6 08:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disney Shareholder 

message: S/O added a NPOV tag on the health problems section, but there is no associated disussion on the disussion page. I removed the tag. if the S: or another one want it back, he's welcome to add it back and to argument on the discussion page. --Dwarfpower (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: The article only includes pictures of Jobs from the past few years. Shouldn't a picture or two from the 80s with Wozniak be included?--Marcus Brute (talk) 02:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If a free, non-copyrighted one can be found, yes.  Otherwise, no. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 02:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Younger pictures 

message: As confirmed by Steve Wozniak himself in the reference provided, he recieved 50% of the supposed $700, not %600. --89.216.152.158 (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Breakout payment 

message: Is he back at work? Full time? I haven't heard anything since his supposed return to work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.48.167 (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Status - as of September 2009 

message: The wikipedia article assigns Steve Jobs the "Chairman and CEO of Apple" title.  However, there seems to be no official "Chairman" of Apple according to their own website.  Steve Jobs simply has the CEO title only. 71.191.25.219 (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would appear to be correct.  Apple's website lists just "Directors", with no titles among them.  However, Reuters claims that Arthur Levinson and William Campbell are "Co-Lead Director"s.  Jobs is listed just as "Director", like every other member of the Board. - User ehurtley writing unloggedin from 76.105.147.25 (talk) 23:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chairman title 

message: The infobox tells that Jobs earns $1 per year. However, the sources listed only state that he earns $1 from Apple Computer. Elsewhere in the infobox there is a notice telling that he also works for the Walt Disney Company, and no sources tell how much he earns from that company. I believe that the current sources are insufficient. (Stefan2 (talk) 15:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about "get it right", but Stefan2, that's an interesting point. (It would help a lot if we could find out how much he makes from Disney.)HereToHelp (talk to me) 02:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Why is his salary still only $1 per year? Apple is doing very well. They can afford to pay him a decent wage. When Jobs came back to Apple, they were on the verge of going out of business. I understand the reason for doing it then, but why today?173.58.251.147 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salary 

message: Please add mention and citation of Fortune Magazine's cover story November, 2009 naming Steve Jobs "CEO of the Decade." I believe of particular relevance is this quote from the story: "In the past 10 years alone he has radically and lucratively reordered three markets -- music, movies, and mobile telephones -- and his impact on his original industry, computing, has only grown." You can access the main page of the article here:  and the page to cite with the above quote is the last sentence of the 5th paragraph here: . If fair use allows, I think you should also add an image of the Fortune Magazine cover which can be found here: . --DJRizzo (talk) 11:29 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5) Moved from the to do list by ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome and thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully someone interested in this article will take it up. I un-transcluded the  template since it is only meant to be used for situations where an editor wants to make a specific change to an article. If no one takes up your suggestion, you can switch this to an edit request by specifying the change you woudl like in a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail. Cheers, Celestra (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CEO of the Decade 

message: Nobody has yet added to the Honors category that he was named CEO of the Decade by Fortune Magazine.  http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/04/technology/steve_jobs_ceo_decade.fortune
I'd be happy to do it, but it appears that I am not able to.  Could somebody else take care of this who has access or provide me access so I can make the update?
Thanks,
Segue
:I'm tlping the request because that fact has already been mentioned. BejinhanTalk  13:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|editsemiprotected}}Jobs named CEO of the Decade 

message: Hi. I read an article on Steve Jobs a few years ago, and it was absolutely devastating. Among other things, the author quoted Jobs saying "fuck 'em!" when reminded that Apple customers would be upset when Jobs pulled the plug on a vendor who was supplying customer support. What emerged from the article was a nasty, bullying person who actually makes Bill Gates look good by comparison. Problem is, I can't remember what the magazine was! I'd love to track down that article, but there have been so many written about him that typical reference tools are no good. It was in a wide-circulation magazine such as Esquire and probably written in the late 1990s but no later than 2003. Anyone know what the article/journal was??
Not sure if this is it, or gets you any closer to it, but here's a quote: "In his book, The Second Coming Of Steve Jobs, Alan Deutschman says that one of Jobs’s favorite saying is “f*** ‘Em”, when speaking about vendors, suppliers, competition, and customers." It's from an on-line article at : http://www.macnet2.com/more.php?id=A329_100_1_0 -J.R.
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thread revived by --Makesdark (talk) 14:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article on Steve Jobs 

message: This article seems biased to me, as it mentions almost none of the negative aspects of Steve Job's life. I think this article should be more balanced. A few examples of negative issues that seem as though they would be mentioned in more detail:
1. His ruthless managerial practices as an extremely demanding manager. He would berate employees, forcing them to work 80+ hours per week and abusing them mentally.
2. His outright refusal to recognize his biological daughter for years. He refused to pay a single dime of child support to his daughter's unwed mother even after Job's took his company public and became a deca-millionaire.
3. Just as he accuses Microsoft of "copying" or on occasion "stealing" Mac, he did the same from Xerox.
I am not out to get Steve Jobs, but none of this information (especially the information about Lisa) is mentioned, and that makes it appear as though this were more of a fanboy article rather than an encyclopedic entry. Unsigned contribution by Buffettjr
If you can find viable sources to validate all of these claims, then I doubt you'll find much opposition. Bbatsell 22:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: not me --Makesdark (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased entry? 

message: If you look at the Gizmodo source for his clothing, it mentions that he wears New Balance 911s. But in the source they cite, it says New Balance 922s. Which is right? Lightningstripe (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shoes 

message: Lisa (born May 17, 1978)  gave birth to a son in 1993, making Steve a grandfather. Is this true? --Marvin 101 (talk) 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life 

message: Shouldn't his typical "one more thing" way of introducing new products be mentioned? PizzaMan (talk) 17:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more thing 

message: Steve Jobs said in 2005 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc
Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address
that he "went to Hare Krishna temple when he didn't have money". So he was attending ISKCON and that might influenced him to found Apple computers. We can also remind that George Harrison of Beatles also had Apple recording lable and donated to publish Gaudiya-Vaisnava "Krishna book" of ISKCON. So it was at same 1960-1970th and both George Harrison and Steve Jobs are related to ISKCON (chanting "Hare Krishna") and somehow have similar names: Beatles recorded in Apple recording studio, and Steve Jobs also founded Apple computers. Both Steve Jobs and George Harrison thus have strong relation to "Hare Krishna". Before death Steve Jobs chanted "Hare Krishna" mahamantra in ISKCON temple [source needed]. And Steve Jobs also said in 2005 about Hare Krsna as very important for his Apple company. So it is doubtful that he is pure buddhist, but seems to be more related with hinduism at least based on his 2005 Stanford university speech.
watch video:   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.133.88.216 (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What does all this mean? BashBrannigan (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs and ISKCON ("Hare Krishna" people)