Talk:Völkner incident

message: The phrasing around the execution of Völkner is very white-centric.
Like Arthur Wakefield before him, Völkner wasn't murdered - he was executed by the people who actually belong to the land, in Völkner's case, after a trial. 
Similarly the idea that this is a sad or unfortunate story is extra-white.Jameskjx (talk) 03:57, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Execution

message: There is an inaccuracy in regard to what the crown did with the land they confiscated as a result of the incident. It says that the land was sold but that’s not the full story. Large portions of it were also gifted by the military to soldiers, in lots of 50 Acres per land parcel. Soldiers received very little actual wages, other than rations and land. My reference is that the diary of my relative, a soldier, says he received a 50 Acre land parcel, then he set about to buy land parcels from other soldiers. So he ended up with quite a lot of land that had been confiscated. Five generations later none of us are sure what happened to it. It’s not in the family and we have no great estates, only what we have earned ourselves in our own lifetimes. So it’s not very clear what happened to the land, but there is enough support in my families historic records to prove that the military were using this confiscated land to pay their soldiers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.210.166.237 (talk) 18:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Just a comment on why I have made an update to this entry. I continually see, in various places (invariably non-authoritative or non-specialist sources) statements to the effect that Völkner was not involved in passing on intelligence to the authorities. I have placed an explicit reference in my update to one of the authoritative sources that he was in fact doing so; hopefully, the dissemination of this via Wikipedia will reduce the frequency of false ‘history’ around this subject. I have also removed some of the stuff about the Pakeha population being unduly alarmed. No doubt some were; but the fact that a slapstick farce on incidents connected with Volkner's death ran for 2 weeks on the Auckland stage soon after indicates that at least some were more sanguine ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MisterCDE (talk • contribs) 15/05/2006.
Yes, I think you are right that Volkner did send information to the govt about the activities of Maori rebels. He was bound to do this as it was unlawful and all Maori were bound by NZ law.But a key point is how did local Maori find out about this? The answer is that a Catholic missionary, wanting to spike his rivals religious guns, told the Maori a higly fanciful version.It is note worthy that the goverment spoke to the Catholic authorities and the missionary was immediatly moved to Australia but rumours were spread in the area that he had been killed by govt forces.This underlines the latent hostility between the 2 groups of missonaries and the lengths the Catholic church missionaies would go to capture Maori souls.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.154.179 (talk) 02:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There's a really good image at NZ History which looks old and out of copyright, and would be great to illustrate this article with, but the Turnbull Library has a note on it asking for permission to re-use.  Does anyone know how that works with the GFDL? --Tirana 04:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Craitman17 has recently moved this page from Volkner Incident to Völkner Incident, and similarly changed the spelling within the article. Is this really what we should do? Personally, while I agree the umlaut should be used when referring to Carl Sylvius Völkner by name, I don't believe it is commonly used when referring to the Volkner Incident (or the Volkner Rocks) so I don't think we should use it in these contexts. But I'd be interested to hear what others think. -- Avenue (talk) 02:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After looking around further, I've found two documents online that use the umlaut ( and ), so perhaps it's not as uncommon as I thought. -- Avenue (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volkner Incident or Völkner Incident 

message: Volkner was a protestant and was in competition with a  catholic missionary. This is what is at the heart of the reason why previously very friendly Maori suddenly became violent. The arrival of the violent hauhau cult in the area is the second reason. This cult was very violent and definitely not christian .The hauhau leader who carried out the murder and eye eating was later convicted and hung for murder. The hauhau were far worse rebels than the kingites who had been defeated in 1863-4.Hauhau went back to the brutality that was part and parcel of traditional Maori battle tikanga in pre christian times. Their actions were very similar to those of many hapu during the musket war period.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.190.90 (talk) 03:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volkner incident 

message: The congregation had lapsed [oddly described as having "moved on"] from Christianity to Hau Hauism. That much is certain. 
However, was Völkner's death "caused by his willingness to act as an agent of Governor Sir George Grey"?  Volkner may have been writing to the Governor, but that is not a motive for murder, and nor were the Hau Hau even aware of his correspondence.  Isn't their radicalism - anti-pakeha and pro-cannibalism - sufficient motive and cause?203.184.41.226 (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause