Talk:Judaism/Archive 7

message: As the Wikipedia warning that appears every time you try to edit this page correctly tells us, this article is far too long.
I just restored a chunk of text (on Israeli denominations) that was cut a couple of weeks ago but not put into the Jewish denominations article (as the note suggested it was).  Nevertheless, I agree that the Judaism article is much too long and material should be cut drastically.  Not by simply deleting it or even summarizing it in this article, but by moving it to more immediately relevant articles.  I.e. by taking each long section, and replacing it with one or two general paragraphs containing links to the relevant articles that explore each issue in depth.  Or even just a list of links.  For instance: "Jewish denominations" could have one paragraph mentioning the major denominations (or perhaps one for diaspora and a second for Israel), or even just a list of them. --Dovi--
:The article is STILL much too long. Can we please work on this talk page to identify sections which can be slimmed down and merged to the bare essentials. Remember that most, if not all, of the sections of this article have their own articles elsewhere. This article should offer an introduction to these topics, and not an exhaustive treatment.
:If you can see flab which we can try to cut out, please start a new discussion below, proposing the changes you think should be made. Thanks Nomist 17:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is much too long

message: To get the ball rolling, I suggest that this section could be cut considerably. A list of rabbinic books is unecessary in this article; it is not, as it stands, very informative, and it is daunting to the casual reader, who is looking for an introduction to the topic. Nomist 17:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rabbinic books are the core of traditional Judaism, which is an extraordinarily text-based religion. While not valuable to a very casual reader, this list is extremely useful anyone who is just a bit more than mildly informed, and wants a carefully structured outline to send him/her to more detailed information. Dovi 19:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the significance of Rabbinic literature. However, the reader who wants a carefully structured outline will find the separate article on that topic much more useful, and it's no effort for them to click the link to that article instead. Furthermore, there's a significant overlap between the Rabbinic Lit section and the Legal Lit section immediately below. Couldn't they be merged? Or restructured? Nomist 10:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cut down Jewish literature section 

message: How interesting, they seem totally different what the thirteen principles of faith really are. Is this vandalism? Or is this really the best of the web? eeemess 17:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 13 Principles aren't my area of expertise. But, do we really need a summary of them here? I'm prepared to remove the list, leaving the rest of the text in that section along with the link to the main 13 Principles article. Any objections? Nomist 16:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've replaced the old list with the simpler, more accurate list I found at Jewish_principles_of_faith. However, while I believe that is sufficient for the Judaism article, the 13Ps are important enough to deserve more thorough treatement in the Jewish_principles_of_faith (or even their own) article. I've pasting below the old list that I removed from the Judaism article to Talk:Jewish_principles_of_faith, as it has some useful stuff in it, despite being wrong in places. Let's try to get it up to standard and put it back in that article. Nomist 16:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  thirteen principles of faith 

message: Please note that the blogs listed on the main Judaism page do not represent the views of the Jewish people as a whole, or even a majority. These Blogs have made statements that many Jews, including myself, have been deeply offended by. The articles on the blogs mentioned express the views of the writers and not necessarily the special interest groups that they are made to represent. --Cocopuffberman 01:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cocopuffberman, I definitely agree with your point and have actually erased the section since the blogs are not about Judaism the religion. Perhaps someone should re-list them in the article "Jew" instead. Shykee 18:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: In the case of relisting under "Jew", it is critical that people be still reminded that these blogs do not represent the opinions of the entire Jewish people and that they express the views of the writers with a Jewish audience in mind. I believe that this destinction is quite important. --Cocopuffberman 03:11, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. These blogs are nothing more than a cultural window into one specific sub-culture that happens to have Jewish members.   Shykee 20:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blog listing notice