Talk:Eight Miles High

message: Question : exactly how does the song Why support a feminist viewpoint ?
:I have no idea and personally, I don't believe that it does. I don't know where this information came from and it may have been original research on behalf of an editor. I have now split the song "Why" into its own article and removed the mention of a feminist viewpoint since I can find no 3rd party references to support this claim. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 00:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: feminist viewpoint

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message: Quote: ...as illustrated by the opening couplet; "Eight miles high, and when you touch down, you'll find that it's stranger than known."
Having seen this repeated on countless lrics websites and checked, the lyric is  ... strange and unknown...  . That makes sense whereas  "... stranger than known..." doesn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.84.52 (talk) 14:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The lyric is definitely "stanger than known" as confirmed on Roger McGuinn's own blog (here) and Johnny Rogan's Timeless Flight Revisited. Even Gene Clark himself confirmed that the line is "stranger than known" in his 1978 interview with CHUM radio in Toronto, as detailed on page 82 of John Einarson's Mr. Tambourine Man: The Life and Legacy of the Byrds' Gene Clark. If any more evidence is needed you can clearly hear Clark and his band sing "stranger than known" in the performance found here and McGuinn likewise clearly sings "stranger than known" here. I agree that the line doesn't seem to make a whole lot of linear sense but regardless of where you've "checked", the line as featured in the article is definitely correct. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I defer to your points. I hadn't read that piece on McGuinn's blog but he appears to imply that the lyrics are neither a metaphor for, nor directly influenced by, psychedelic drugs. Hmmm, right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.3.160 (talk) 00:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha ha...yeah, I know what you mean about the song supposedly not being drug related. There does seem to be some disagreement amongst the band themselves on this point, since both Clark and Crosby have come out and said that yes, it was, at least in part, about drugs (as mentioned in the Wikipedia article). I have to say that in my opinion McGuinn has been practicing a sort of historical revisionism where this song is concerned; stating that he was more involved in the writing of the lyrics than was ever accepted while Clark was alive and also downplaying Clark's contribution in the genesis of the song. The trouble is, that like a lot of events in the 1960s, it all happened so long ago that memories are becoming distorted or coloured by hindsight which makes getting a definitive and wholly accurate version of events tricky sometimes. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stranger ''than known''?

message: I have removed all mentions of the song having been banned by the BBC from the article because in fact, this record was not banned by the BBC. The single was banned by many radio stations in the USA but not by the BBC. I know that The Times' article "The music the BBC banned" (found here) says that the song was banned but this is an error and you will not find any official BBC sources corroborating this erroneous information. In addition, several notable books on The Byrds, including Johnny Rogan's Timeless Flight Revisited (second edition p.162) and Christopher Hjort's So You Want to Be a Rock 'n' Roll Star (p.94) specifically state that the record was not banned by the BBC. Furthermore, a contemporary statement from a BBC spokesman published in the May 14, 1966 edition of Melody Maker makes plain that the BBC do not intend to ban the record. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Banning by the BBC

message: An editor insists on labeling this as folk rock. Yes, The Byrds were folk rock pioneers and their other singles and first two LPs were folk rock. No arguments there. However, no source that I have found has labeled "Eight Miles High" as folk rock and instead focus on how this was a shift away from folk rock (as the allmusic article linked indicates). We should only be listing the main genres of any given song, based on published sources, not every editor's personal opinion on what the song actually is. freshacconci talktalk 14:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very much agreed. The song is widely regarded as psychedelic rock first and foremost and also as raga rock by a number of reliable sources, as outlined in the article and supported by a number of inline references. I've spent a lot of time over the years reading about The Byrds and their music, and I have never seen "Eight Miles High" described as folk rock. As you rightly point out, the song represents the moment when the band shifted away from folk rock. Having said that, if a reliable third party reference could be found, clearly designating the song as folk rock, I would be happy to consider adding that genre to the infobox. However, without wanting to sound smug, I think that the chances of finding such a source are slim. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Fortunately though, Wikipedia is not concerned with your superior-sounding, but wildly ill-informed opinion. ...and let's make no mistake, your above statement is entirely your own subjective opinion, which is irrelevant within the context of editing Wikipedia. But thanks for labeling me and other editors "ridiculous", that's really a great way to carry yourself on Wikipedia. I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the Wikipedia policies on civility, personal attacks and the guidelines about wiki etiquette.  Your above comment does not assume good faith and I will report further personal attacks -- regardless of whether they are directed towards me or any other editor. There is simply no excuse for acting in this way on Wikipedia. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd wager that he doesn't talk like that in real life. It's much easier to attack other people hiding behind a computer. freshacconci talktalk 13:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folk rock? 

message: I have no references for this... "Eight Miles High" most likely influenced "Just Dropped In" writen by Mickey Newbury.  The song says, "I tripped on a cloud and fell eight miles high."  I according to the wiki for each article, "Eight Miles High" was written first. Fenderbenderfc (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A sentence alluding to the fact that "Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)" by The First Edition name checked the title of "Eight Miles High" in its lyrics was present in the article for at least a year (that I know about) with a "citation needed" tag challenging it. It was actually me that finally removed it from the article (with this edit) because I couldn't find a decent supporting ref and also because I felt that it came under the banner of "anecdotes, unrelated cultural influences, and other peripheral content" which are discouraged by the guidelines set out at WP:MUSTARD. However, it's probably no more trivial than Bruce Springsteen having played a guitar solo influenced by "Eight Miles High" on his song "Life Itself", and that's currently in the article. So, if you can find a reliable ref supporting this info about the Mickey Newbury song, please do add it to the relevant "Cover versions and media references" section. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
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replies: text: Fixed. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: This article is currently in the Drug-related songs category. However, since "both [Gene] Clark and [David] Crosby admitted that the song was at least partly inspired by their own drug use", wouldn't including the article in the category seem a bit much? Thanks, Bulldog edit my talk page da contribs go rando 06:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, personally I don't think so. If the song is "party inspired" by drug use then it's partly a drug-related song and therefore fits in the aforementioned category. If band members had admitted that it wasn't drug-related at all, then that would be a different story. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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message: Many critics have cited the song as being the Byrds main venture into "jazz infused rock", with McGuinn himself highlighting the jazz qualities and strong Coltrane influences. In his 1968 Pop Chronicles interview, McGuinn stated that the song was more of a tribute to Coltrane, than its raga tendencies. 
SgtPetsounds (talk) 19:30, 06 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre: The Consideration of Jazz rock or Jazz fusion

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