Talk:Eburones

message: The etymology section looks spurious ideed:
:The etymology of Eburon is thought to be: eibe, eebe + bauer, boer(en)(=plural). "Eibe, eebe" = yew. "Bauer, boer" = farmer. So: yew farmers. Yew was (is) the best wood to make bows. The best yew is grown upon sandy soils, where growth is slow and the wood more fibrous. The Latin word for yew is taxus. The Romans called  the region: Taxandria, later Toxandria (yew-land). The yew from the region had such a good reputation that the Gauls had a special word for it: eburo.
The Proto-Germanc name for the yew was actually *īwaz. Wouldn't *eburaz ("boar") be a more likely etymology for the Eburones?--Berig (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The inclusion of Bauer in the etymology seems unsourcable to me. Yew is certainly a well respected theory and I know that boar also occasionally gets mentioned. We should go with whatever sources say.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But now I notice the above remark is very old and no longer relevant to the article.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: Localization.
*Royman sees archaeological evidence for cultural centres near 's Hertogenbosch and the Maas. But Caesar reports that the Menapii had settlements stretching to this general area.
*Pauly, which we now cite, describes them as living mainly between Maas and Rhine, which is what Caesar said. It also makes it sound like they stretched all the way to the Eifel. Reviews of the literature such as by Wightman however remark that German sources tend to prefer this, whereas non-German sources understand Caesar as implying their homeland also had a significant part west of the Maas.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 19:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, we could work together on this article. I know there is a small duplication issue between the sections /name/ and /language/, but I will address it. Alcaios (talk) 19:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, once identified, such things should be reasonably easy for us.
*To consider. Perhaps the "genocide" theme of Roymans is notable/ worthwhile/ useful to use. See https://www.academia.edu/12866878/Fire_and_Sword._The_archaeology_of_Caesar_s_Gallic_War--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 21:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  notes for further work 

message: I see the Smith template was added in 2007 in this edit . I wonder if it is still relevant to any of our text today?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not relevant I think. Alcaios (talk) 12:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  source template in bibliography 

message: I mentioned this section before, but it is not that I have a clear idea of where it should go. 
*Move after Name section because related?
*It could be argued that it should be reduced? (Main = Germani Cisrhenani? OTOH Eburones are often discussed separately e.g. Royman)--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The section could be renamed /Identity/ (or /Culture/) and moved after /Name/. It also needs to be trimmed down (see perhaps  Sotiates#Culture as an example of what could be done). Alcaios (talk) 12:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment it is mainly about language itself, so let's start with moving and shortening. I will already look at that article though.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What about working in a draft first? I have started to write stuff, but it's difficult to merge everything before the whole section is finished: User:Alcaios/Eburones Alcaios (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever is easiest. I have already moved it though, and made a few small changes. We could probably just work on the article? I can leave it to you first?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  language section shorten and move? 

message: Probably you are still working on this:
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I just post here while you are working.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I have fixed the issue with the last edit, thanks Alcaios (talk) 10:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  paragraph 

message: I noticed your edsum. I don't have a strong position on whether to keep it but I get the feeling the theory is still respected or otherwise our secondary sources would not still be arguing against it. Apparently the theory is more commonly held in Germany and I have not double checked if we can really say it is disappearing. The practical danger with not mentioning recently discounted theories is that someone else can insert them in a messy way later.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eifel theory