Category talk:Cities and towns in Italy

message: I think our concern here is mainly the categorization of cities and towns. Region and seperate province categories should be left as-is, I think. I propose the following scheme:
* :Category:Italy
** :Category:Cities and towns in Italy
*** :Category:Cities and towns in Sicily
**** :Category:Municipalities of the Province of Palermo
**** :Category:Municipalities of the Province of Enna
**** :Category:Municipalities of the Province of Syracuse
**** Municipalities in the Province of etc.
*** :Category:Cities and Towns in Lombardy
**** :Category:Municipalities of the Province of Milan
This would mean that currently existing categories would get moved as below:
* :Category:Cities in Sardinia + :Category:Towns in Sardinia --> :Category:Cities and towns in Sardinia
* :Category:Coastal towns in Italy + :Category:Coastal cities in Italy --> :Category:Coastal cities and towns in Italy
The Cities and towns for each region could also be nested directly in their respective region category:
* :Category:Italy
** :Category:Sicily
*** :Category:Cities and towns in Sicily
**** :Category:Municipalities...
**:Category: Lombardy
*** :Category:Cities and towns in Lombardy
**** :Category:Municipalities...
Each region could have a category "Cities and Towns of ...." the next level down would be a category for each of the provinces within it. All city/town pages should be listed under their respective "municipality" category, not in parent categories. This could automatically be achieved by including "Category:Municipalities of the Province of *PROVINCE*" in each of the municipality templates like :Template:Province of Ragusa (which appears at the bottom of the page of every town in each province) so they don't have to be manually added by editors. - AKeen 04:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this option.  ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I prefer categorizing municipalities this way too. --Angelo 09:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Scheme Option

message: I'm not totally against the above ideas, but let me play devil's advocate, if I may... I believe that if they're not deleted, the "Cities and towns in <region>" categories are going to be magnets.  As long as they exist, I think that people are going to continue to place towns into those categories.  If the categories are gone, then new article creators will get the red link, which will show them that they need to dig a bit deeper to find the "Municipalities" category (which is a little less intuitive).
(Keeping my devil's advocate hat on) Another concern is about synching up the categories with other language wikis, especially the Italian wiki.  While doing some of the city/town cleanup, I've already noticed problems with moving the language links, when there wasn't a one-to-one correspondence between wikis.  In other words, the way the Italian wiki is set up, it looks basically like this:
* Italy
** Regioni italiane
***Regione Lombardia
**** Milano
**** Comuni della Lombardia
**** Province della Lombardia
***Regione Sicilia
**** Palermo
**** Comuni della Sicilia
**** Province della Sicilia
***Regione Lazio
****Roma
****Comuni del Lazio
****Province del Lazio
In other words, if we wanted to stay in synch with the Italian wiki, our categories should be:
* :Category:Italy
** :Category:Regions of Italy
*** :Category:Lombardy region (or :Category:Lombardy or :Category:Region of Lombardy)
**** :Category:Milan
**** :Category:Provinces of Lombardy
**** :Category:Comunes of Lombardy (or :Category:Municipalities of Lombardy)
*** :Category:Sicily
**** :Category:Municipalities of Sicily
**** :Category:Provinces of Sicily
**** :Category:Palermo
In other words, in the Italian wiki, they put all municipalities of a region into a "comunes of this region" category, and into a "comunes of this province" category for their individual province. With large cities (Milan, Rome, Palermo, etc.) getting their own subcategories that go right into the region category.  --Elonka 17:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That just doesn't fit into the global system on the English Wikipedia. Non-Italians won't know how to use the category system to find the article about Florence or Verona, so it will hardly be worth having a category system for Italian cities at all. Honbicot 18:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian wiki

message: The proposal has been submitted at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 July 13.  Everyone is invited to participate. --Elonka 21:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CFD Vote