Talk:Waldemar Matuška

message: Moved article to common name in English, as found in IMDB and sources cited in article. Jonathunder 23:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support I think us-ascii redirect is enough to fulfil naming conventions and removing diacritics is a loss of the information required for the encyclopedia. It is a pitty to remove it. According to :Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28biographies%29 While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known and I recall François Mitterrand as a precedent and example in the wikipedia manual of style. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 23:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Google                                	English language hits
"Waldemar Matuška" -Matuska -Wikipedia	57
"Waldemar Matuska" -Matuška -Wikipedia	102
#::::So it looks like you do indeed have enough evidence to be able to include that variant spelling in the introduction.  But it isn't where the article name belongs.  Gene Nygaard 15:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Support I think us-ascii redirect is enough to fulfil naming conventions and removing diacritics is a loss of the information required for the encyclopedia. It is a pitty to remove it. According to :Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28biographies%29 While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known and I recall François Mitterrand as a precedent and example in the wikipedia manual of style. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 23:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Google                                	English language hits
"Waldemar Matuška" -Matuska -Wikipedia	57
"Waldemar Matuska" -Matuška -Wikipedia	102
#::::So it looks like you do indeed have enough evidence to be able to include that variant spelling in the introduction.  But it isn't where the article name belongs.  Gene Nygaard 15:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Oppose article was created under most common name in English. I've been working on expanding it, and the English language sources, including a print academic journal, widely use this spelling. Jonathunder 00:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: I fully support the motion to properly rename this article (yes, "properly", as Mr. Waldemar's surname is "Matuška" not "Matuska", just as mine is "Martínez" not "Martinez" as most linguisticly-challenged English speakers fail to recognize) and I'm all for the exercise in democracy implied in the discussion to move and rename this article...but what about the article itself? It's just a shameful stub! We have spent too much energy arguing about his surname's spelling and almost none actually writing a decent biography of this Czech. Could any of the Czech folk here start working on it? Even if this article is properly renamed, if it remains a stub then no one will benefit from it and it wouldn't have mattered whether the motion failed or succeeded.Rosa 06:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I expanded the article based on the interwiki, but language correction is required. We would need some public-domain picture, I was unable to find it. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 09:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I corrected some of the errors, but I'm not expert for copy editing, so further corrections are probably needed. MarkBA t/c/@ 13:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: This Floridian, whose name is quite properly and legitimately spelled "Matuska" in English.  Just because it is also acceptable to use a foreign spelling in English in some contexts does not in any way mean that it is ever improper to stick to the English alphabet when writing in English.  Gene Nygaard 17:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, Waldemar Matuška the Floridian...this is just too funny! (and again, I'm not being ironic, it just sounds SO gay! I wonder what would the singer himself would say heeheee). Gene, on good faith, you have just earned yourself a laughing point...and it's a legit award, I'm not making fun of you or anything, you may see it at PUA. Rosa 20:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, I lived for some years in Philadelphia, should I hence be known as Rose Martin the Pennsylvanian? lol Rosa 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...or maybe "Rose Martin the Quaker" as Pennsylvania is after all the Quaker State...hmmm, suddenly I get a crave for oatmeal cookies lol Rosa 20:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Or "Róza Martina d Kvuáker" :D ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 22:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, that's not such a bad idea Tulko Lahten ;)...maybe you could change your nick to "Timmy O'Toole", how about that? Rosa 22:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is all fine but... 

message: I copyedited this article. A few points:
The titles in the section "Emigration" should have English translations after them like the one I put after "Zlatý Slavík": (Golden Nightingale). I know "dobry den" and "skala" (my wife's maiden name), and that's all the Czech I know.
The significance of the title "V rozpacích kuchaře Svatopluka" needs explaining--I, an American reader, have no idea why the Communists, or I, should care about a title that on its face makes no reference to Mr. Matuska.
That's right, I said "Matuska." His last name in the title of the article should be spelled that way. I tell you this as a copyeditor, and I couldn't care less otherwise. Wikipedia specifies that foreign names be rendered in English, but that's not even the test for me. This is the English-language version of Wikipedia; if the Japanese version ever uses this article, they will render "Matuška" phonetically in kana, and politics be damned. Consider it a transcription, although it is a shame that there is no common, phonetically sound transcription scheme for Czech. Milkbreath 14:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit