Talk:J. Stalin

message: Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia article. This is policy!!!Boomgaylove (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your BLP objection is not valid, and you are edit warring simulteneously in several places to try to get this artist removed from the encyclopedia.  The information and the source are an interview in a magazine conducted with the subject himself where he apparently talks about his own drug dealing, for which he was arrested and convicted.  That is relevant to his bio as a rap musician, and hardly violates BLP.  You are not defending BLP anyway by blanking the entire article while nominating it for deletion. Please stop now or you will likely be blocked from further editing the encyclopedia.  Wikidemo (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, can we please stop edit warring and try to discuss this for a minute. Boomgaylove, please list which specific parts of the article you feel are poorly sourced/unsourced. It's difficult to see which parts you find objectionable when there is constant reverting. I know that BLP states that you can remove these type of things immediately, but we have yet to determine if these sentences are actually libelous or not. Bash Kash (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: libel

message: i don't see any source for his name being Jovan Smith.Boomgaylove (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added an article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian. Bash Kash (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was already sourced, along with everything else this editor has been challenging.  I've consolidated the citations.  Wikidemo (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  his real name 

message: *Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Fundamentally, at heart, essentially, basically states that the word dictator should not be used. Stop reinserting this point of view and stick to WP:NPOV.Boomgaylove (talk) 01:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Such debate needs to be for the Joseph Stalin article. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your recent edit is a great idea (changing he shares the same initials as xxxxx Joseph Stalin to they share the same initials), so we can avoid the question, which is a much better stylistic approach too.  Thanks.  Wikidemo (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  dictator 

message: A lot has changed on this page since I first slapped the stub together.  Looks like some strange user is on a personal vendetta to remove J Stalin from wikipedia?!  Why?  DigitizerSF (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow 

message: why were the pronunciations removed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.37.2 (talk) 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ipa 

message: Excuse me for starting in off the topic, but I checked this out because my friend SqueakBox was involved.
Isn't everyone sort of dancing around the gorilla in the room which is that this guy named himself J Stalin?  Not a question of was there a dictator or not, but that particular dictator is accused of tens of millions of murders.  Where's the humor in flaunting a name like that in the media (and I do mean media)?
Now to the nitty gritty-- all the stuff you've heard or said about "rap" (alias wrap, see below)-- the picking on women, glorification of violence etc.-- has something to do with the Big Tobackgo agenda.  The more helpless and afraid everyone is in our society, the easier it is to sell more cigarets (alias security).
Did you notice some other stars had obvious names, like "Cool" and "Tupac"?  "Rap" itself might refer to the "wrap" of cannabis inside an addictive nicotine cigar skin to get kids hooked on tobacco.  For that matter, what did you think "Rock and Roll" (Rauchen und Rollen-- look it up) means?
As for the earlier Stalin, the Josef one, a poem by Mandelshtam mentions him pointing at a map with the stem of his tobacco pipe, and on that location 17,000 Uzbeks or whatever are killed or forcibly relocated, etc.
Hitler (the nonsmoker they keep waving in our faces) told Goebbels (the 2-pack-a-day addict-- did you know that?) to erase all the cigarets from newsreel footage of Stalin at the August 23, 1939 signing ceremony (where they made the deal to carve up Poland.  Boy it's a good thing they never carved up Turkey).  (See John Toland, Adolf Hitler, 1974.)
The Albanian Enver Hoxha reminisced about seeing Stalin break up cigarets and put the tobacco in his pipe.  Amusing, eh?  The point is, "Stalin" is synonymous with tobacco, tobacco agenda, and tobacco politics.
Now something for researchers: what about the stories of the big tobacco companies slipping money to rap (wrap) stars to include references to "blunts" in their lyrics, so kids would experiment with the mixture of cannabis and tobacco and get hooked on tobacco?  Possibly the first thousands have already died from that early 90's recruitment period.
Let's return to the glorious days of yesteryear-- 1943.  Sinatra steps out, lights a cigaret, starts crooning "Light up a Lucky-- it's light-up time!"-- and pubescent girls scream.  (They were preprogrammed to scream just then.)  Boys listening to the radio at home think, if you smoke cigarets, girls will go for you big time!
(A softer 1943 approach: color magazine page with a handsome jock movie star, looking so sincere with a cigaret in his hand, a statement, signed: "Chesterfields are my Cigarette. -- Ronald Reagan."  Oh, yes, Reagan himself was a non-smoker.  Well, he needed the money for his political ambitions.)
Sorry after all that rant I personally can't decide whether a wrapper named Stalin belongs in the wikipedia.  I'll leave it to smart administrators to decide if any of this ever gets in the article.  Can wikipedia "change the world" (slogan for fundgivers, Feb. 2008) without adopting a Point of View on some subjects?Tokerdesigner (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: None of this will make it into the article, I can assure you. You might want to check out WP:V, WP:OR and WP:NPOV all of which this seriously breaches. You might also like to read a personal favorite of mine WP:BOLLOCKS which seems to spring to mind when reading your thoughts above. Thanks, Gwernol 22:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning the dictator, and the dictatoriat