Talk:Wilco

message: Am I wrong in assuming that most people come here looking for the meaning of the phrase "wilco" (i.e. "will comply"), rather than this band? Considering that (according to the article) the band is named after the radio phrase, it seems more natural to have this page under Wilco (band) and have Wilco point to the disambiguation page. There are also a half dozen people with the first name Wilco that have Wikipedia pages, so having a band that most people coming here have likely never heard of directly under Wilco seems needlessly confusing. - Alltat (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed the Wikipedia criteria for establishing a primary page, and I feel the current organization is reasonable. A review of the usage statistics indicates that the traffic to the current primary page (for the band) is larger by a factor of 500 than the traffic to the procedure word page. The inclusion of the disambiguation link at the top of the page is, therefore, consistent with recommended Wikipedia practices. I don't see any need for a change. ronningt (talk) 18:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What people come here looking for 

message: "Musically, the Yankee and Ghost's combination of power pop and obliquely lyricked art rock most resembled Big Star's Sister Lover - an album which ironically also suffered the fate of being rejected by the band's own record company."
This seems out of place to me.  What does "Sister Lover" have to do with Wilco?  It wouldn't seem to me an appropriate place to compare/contrast with other artists.
One of the leaders of rock and roll? Please.
:I agree that the "leaders of rock and roll" statement is over the top being unsourced. Please Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Hyacinth 07:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister Lover

message: I am curious if anyone could add what happened to Max Johnston. I dont' know, but he's not on A Ghost Is Born.josebove
:Added info on Max Johnston's subsequent project (now with The Gourds) with link to The Gourds' page. Mollman 15:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Max Johnston

message: "seminal 1980s and 1990s group Uncle Tupelo"
Uncle Tupelo's debut LP "No Depression" was released in 1990 so they are not a band of the 1980's, technically.  
While still with Wilco, Jeff Tweedy recorded with alternative rock consortium Golden Smog under the pseudonym "Scot Summit," a name created by using his middle name as his first name, and the first street that he lived on as his last name.  He was featured on two albums, 1995's "Down By The Old Mainstream," and 1998's "Weird Tales."  He recorded under his real name for the latter album.
Jeff Tweedy composed the soundtrack to the Ethan Hawke directed film, "Chelsea Walls," released in 2001.
Evidently, many noises sampled on YHF, including the haunting "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" radio call, are sampled from a box-set collection of shortwave radio transmissions entitled "The Conet Project." Deepcloud 06:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conet Project 

message: We should have a picture with all six members of the band as the main image, however I can't find any good ones on the internet... Mkaycomputer 18:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Please leave all mentions of the Pazz & Jop critics' poll as is. There is no such thing as a "Jazz & Pop" poll, and critics' poll should not be capitalized (it's not part of the name). --Tbotcotw 18:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pazz & Jop 

message: Is there any reason in particular that "A.M." is missing from the discography? -albrozdude 20:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A.M. 

message: Should Wilco really be categorized as indie?  I think that many people consider the band "indie," but they've released every one of their albums on labels owned by Warner Music Group (Sire Records, Nonesuch Records, and Reprise Records, none of which is indie).  Would anyone object to removing this article from the indie rock group categories? Nanten 00:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification 

message: I removed the following from the text:
According to Bob Dylan's autobiographical Chronicles, Woody Guthrie gave his unpublished songs to Dylan but Bob was unable to get them from Guthrie's family.  Guthrie had instructed Dylan to obtain the manuscripts from his wife, Margie; alas, when Dylan showed up at the house (after hiking through a swamp), he was greeted at the door by a babysitter, who said that Margie was not there.  Liner notes of Mermaid Ave. written by Nora Guthrie indicate that it was her intention that the songs be given to a new generation of musicians who would be able to make the songs relevant to a younger generation.
If someone owns the book, I can rework it into the text. However, I cannot cite this source without a page number, so I'll keep it here in the meantime. Teemu08 21:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mermaid Avenue 

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Overall, this is a good article, which is exceptionally well referenced. Happy to pass. NSR77 TC 21:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Review - Pass 

message: This page says they got the rights to YHF for free, but the YHF page says they paid $50,000 for them.
Which one is correct? 71.206.173.193 18:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They both say that they got them for free. The original offer was for Wilco to pay $50,000 for them, but the situation had already become such a public relations problem that Reprise just gave the rights to them for free to keep a low profile. Teemu08 21:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Teemu08, Wikipedia rules require us to use the most reliable source. I added the following statement, which came from All Music Guide, which stated that Wilco paid $50,000 for YHF: Wilco was "[u]nwilling to change the album to make it more 'commercially viable,'" and the band "bought the finished studio tapes from Warner/Reprise for a reported $50,000 and left the label altogether." http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jxfqxqqgld6e~T1 ...............................................However, this statement got cut. What is your source?Nazamo (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems like a good compromise (the whole letting-the-reader-decide thing). I'd be willing to bet that the book source is right since Kot is quoting band manager Tony Marghertia, but I this is the only source I've found with that information. Teemu08 (talk) 15:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rights to YHF 

message: The page says Mikael joined after Leroy left, when really, Mikael toured with the band for YHF and performed on AGIB, both before Leroy's departure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.75.37 (talk) 05:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mikael Jorgensen 

message: I have mixed feelings on what's happened to this page since Teemu08 took it upon himself to rewrite the entire Wiki. It's basically turned into a Cliff Notes version of the Greg Kot book, replacing years of previous content written by a variety of contributors with an overabundance of regurgitations from 'Learning How to Die', a book that many consider to be a flawed, skewed history of the band, which Tweedy himself and the other members don't really consider to be authoritative. Going forward, it would be nice if this page draws from a wider range of sources. 43 citations to the Kot book is absolutely ridiculous given how much has been written about this band in the media in general.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.98.178 (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article as of January 2008 is too dependent on Kot. However, the opinions of the band on whether or not the book is authoritative or not doesn't seem important; it is the opinions of other journalists, reviewers, and music historians that count, not the opinions of the subject. I'm sure totalitarian dictators don't like the biographies written about them, but the fact that the dictators "don't consider the bios authoritative" doesn't mean we shouldn't use them. Unless Tweeedy et al have articulated their criticism by showing errors, egregious bias, etc., I don't think the opinions of the subject of a biography needs to be taken into account! : )Nazamo (talk) 14:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kot book overkill 

message: :reverting of sentence sourced from New York Times...Wikipedia rules say you can only revert if you have "firm, substantive, and objective proof" that the content is inappropriate
Hi, An editor, Wesley Dodds, removed a sentence from the Musical Style section which describes Wilco as having a "roots rock" sound. This sentence was sourced from the New York Times, a reputable source. However, Wesley Dodds removed it, on the grounds that the sentence was "Really not up to par with the rest of the section (and why is what this one critic says important?" First of all, we can't just remove sourced content based on a subjective assessment that you don't think it is "up to par with the rest of the section." Second, the sentence does not try to argue in a POV fashion that Wilco IS a roots rock band or some other contentious argument. Instead, the sentence summarizes the commentary of a New York Times critic, who argues that Wilco has a "roots rock sound". ...............................But perhaps most importantly, the Wikipedia rules which govern all of our contributions here state that you should "not revert good faith edits....unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary. Mere disagreement is not such proof." So based on the Wikipedia rules, Wesley Dodds must show firm, substantive, and objective proof that the added sentence is inappropriate. Since the sentence is short, directly on topic, and sourced from a respected newspaper, I argue that the sentence should be allowed.......................... By the way...here is the sentence in question:...............................................................A critic from the New York Times argues that Wilco has a "roots-rock...[sound which] reached back to proven materials: the twang of country, the steady chug of 1960's rock, the undulating sheen of the Beach Boys, the honky-tonk hymns of the Band and the melodic symmetries of pop." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03E2DC1730F933A25755C0A9629C8B63 Nazamo (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical style section: 

message: The lede has had the term "roots rock" re-added to describe Uncle Tupelo. The term "roots rock" was removed by the editor Wesley Dodds without a reason. (Here is the sentence: "The band was formed in 1994 by the remaining members of alternative country and roots rock[1] group Uncle Tupelo."). As with the above Talk discussion on Musical style, I would like to point out that the Wikipedia rules which govern all of our contributions here state that you should "not revert good faith edits" just because you disagree with them. The rules say not to revert good fait edits "unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary. Mere disagreement is not such proof." So based on the Wikipedia rules, Wesley Dodds must show firm, substantive, and objective proof that the added two words ("root rock") is inappropriate. Since they are sourced from a music reference, I suppose he could show that several other prominent music references argue that Uncle Tupelo are NOT a roots rock band, which would make the AMG cite problematic. But failing that, it is a sourced, factual addition. Nazamo (talk) 18:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it important that "roots rock" is in the first sentence? It's not necessary. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I'm not sure if Wesley Dodds read my letter here, or took note of the Wikipedia rules outlined on the Wikipedia website. Just to repeat, them, even though they are right above, the rules say not to revert good fait edits "unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary. The rules go on to say "Mere disagreement is not such proof."............................................................. So based on the Wikipedia rules, Wesley Dodds must show firm, substantive, and objective proof that the added two words ("root rock") are inappropriate. Since they are sourced from a music reference, I suppose he could show that several other prominent music references argue that Uncle Tupelo are NOT a roots rock band, which would make the AMG cite problematic. But failing that, it is a sourced, factual addition..................................................................If it was a lengthy 2 sentences about how Uncle Tupelo is a roots rock band, you could argue that the sentences make the lede too long. But it is two words! You removed them again, but instead of proposing objective proof why the term "roots rock" cannot be in the article lede, you pose a rhetorical question: " Why is it important that "roots rock" is in the first sentence?" and then give your reason for removing it: "It's not necessary."......................Could you please act in accordance with the rules set out in Wikipedia? By the way, I looked at your contribution list, and I note that you are a very hard-working contributor to many articles. Thank you, and talk to you soon, to resolve this discussion in a positive way : )     .Nazamo (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle Tupelo...All Music Guide calls them a roots rock band 

message: The producer and manager colors are the same, and probably should not be. The scripting for it looks pretty complicated to my eyes, so I'll leave it alone and ask someone else to fix it. —ScouterSig 17:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  band member timeline colors 

message: Audio engineer is not verified, noted, or otherwise, please update. i believe it is currently Stan Doty.
JD 5/22/08  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.182.165.49 (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio engineer 

message: The Jeff Tweedy article says Tweedy fired Bennett.  This Wilco article says Bennett left.  I haven't seen the Sam Jones film in a while, nor can I immediately find any sources, but shouldn't the part in the Wilco article be rewritten to reflect this?   I have no recollection of it ever being that Bennett left on his own, which this article is implying.  "A circle can't have a center" - Jeff Tweedy
Thank You
--Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Teemu, great job with the Tweedy/Uncle Tupelo articles --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Bennett 

message: Should Jim O'Rourke be removed from the Band Member Timeline for 2008-present since he has not been involved with the band since the recording of Sky Blue Sky? 
(Jcroach (talk) 20:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point—updated. Teemu08 (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim O'Rourke 

message: Discussion should occur here regarding the movement of these two paragraphs. I don't think it's necessary, but if there's consensus for it, I don't have a big problem with it or anything. Unitanode 19:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving two paragraphs from one header to another 

message: I think this article could be improved by adding some content about Wilco's reputation as a crack touring band and the devotion of their fans.  Their live show was a key part of the band growing its fan base and is a big part of the band's identity.  Thoughts? --PFS (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an old comment, but I agree with it. Wilco's reputation as a live band is a notable part of their story.  Jameson Nightowl (talk) 06:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Create a section about Wilco as a great touring band? 

message: Should there be a list of recent performances for Wilco. The band played in Redding, California on September 26, 2012. I know that this could get out of hand with the many shows scheduled.  Maybe putting their most recent performances in a seperate section for the year 2012 would be good. Any suggestions or feedback? Cmguy777 (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Performances 

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message: Stirratt is a founder of the band, Autumn Defense has also included Pat Sansone.  The band should be included under associated acts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jraigosa (talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: Don't tell me it's been voted down to include a hits list in band articles on Wikipedia.  Let me recite for everyone why we want a hits list. I thought my wife had heard of this band but she said she hasn't heard of this band before.  Guess what is going to be the first question any person will want to know about the band.  Um kind of like what songs might I have heard from that band?  I want to emphasise the importance of common sense deployed in the lives of human beings, for the benefit of human beings.  We're not going to accept the "supply side" forever.  Include the hits list.  Prominently. Rtdrury (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the hits list? 

message: This older FA needs a bit of tuning up - the most recent albums (The Whole Love, Star Wars, Schmilco, and Ode to Joy) are all underweighted.  A handful of the sources are also probably not of the quality expected for FAs - 30music, allaboutjazz, a blogspotblog, relix, and maybe a few others.  This shouldn't take much to work up to standards - just fleshing out the latter couple years and pruning a few sources.  Pinging FAC nominator  as they are still active. Hog Farm  Talk 20:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
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