Talk:Medal of Honor/Archive 1

message: Hi, 
Altrough hundred of thousands of troops have been engaged in Iraq for more than a year, I don't see any Medal of Honor for the Iraq War. Is this article unupdated ?
Thank you
:No, there just have been no Medals of Honor awarded since Somalia. Not in the Gulf War, Kosovo, Afghanistan, or Iraq. I find it odd myself. 
Rmhermen 00:46, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. And did any silver star or bronze star has been awarded since Vietnam ? (I'm sorry, I'm not an English speaker)
:Silver and bronze stars are lesser medals. They have been awarded frequently, even some in Iraq this last year. Rmhermen 01:13, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
I found here ( http://photojournalismstock.com/iraq%202003/source/feat10.html# ) that a soldier (from 3rd infantry division) is on the way to be awarded the MoH for its job in Iraq. The soldier name is Paul R. Smith, he was killed in action on april 4, 2004. Other source : www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006552/posts
* Yes, Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith, 33, was bestowed a Medal of Honor posthumously.  From http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10801732.htm?1c, the medal will be presented by President Bush to his family sometime in March. Zscout370 20:53, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: MOH and Iraq

message: Future MOH winners will also recieve a MOH flag.  There is an open competition for the design of the MOH flag.  The competition ends October 22, 2004.  See the Federal Register: September 7, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 172)]    
[Page 54134-54135]  Ydorb 18:55, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
As of 2005 the Medal of Honor flag was presented to the family of Sgt. Paul Smith.
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=7085
In summer 2006 many previous next of kin are receiving the flag. I know the widow of a WW II Marine Corps recipient who is attending a ceremony in DC this month.  Future recipients (there are no "winners") or their families--if a posthumous award--will receive the flag at time of the medal presentation.  B Tillman Aug. 2 '06.
:Smith's family was the first to be presented this flag, but we will add that note in soon. Thanks! User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already in the article: "The first Medal of Honor recipient to receive the official flag was Paul R. Smith...." Rlevse 02:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal of Honor flag

message: Have the seven Medals of Honor reported stolen on 30 June 2004 from the Yorktown aircraft carrier's Medal of Honor museum at Patriots Point been found?
I saw a report that the medals were stolen sometime between 7:30 pm Sunday 27 June 2004 and 7:30 am Monday 28 June 2004. The museum door was not secured and it was unclear why the door was left unlocked.
The report said the cover of the display case in the museum was a tacked-down glass lid. Whoever stole the medals managed to jar the lid, breaking off a triangular piece of glass. After that, the thief could reach inside easily and steal the medals.
--Anthonys 05:55, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Seven Medals of Honor stolen from Yorktown museum

message: I feel it neccesary to clarify a reversion in that we should keep the info about the Marines recieving the Navy medal in this article.  As a military historian, I have run across several instances where a website, publication, or some person has referred to the Marine Corps Medal of Honor.  There is [no] such animal, but a great number of people believe that there is.  This article should make that clear.
The recent reversion also was necessary in that, by remvoing the header title, it tied the USCG MOH data right into a section dealing with fradulent MOH display and criminal charges.  it should be separated to avoid confusion.
Hope it doesnt start an edit war, but the USMC data should stay -Husnock 22 Nov 04
:There is no "Marine Corps Medal of Honor" - it is a component of the United States Navy and is, thus, awarded the "Medal of Honor - Navy". Members of the US Coast Guard, while actually a component of the Department of Transportation (or Department of Homeland Security), are also awarded the "Medal of Honor - Navy". Rarelibra 23:45 2JAN2006
::The U.S. Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy (SECNAV), head of the Department of the Navy. However, they are not part of the U.S. Navy, but rather a distinct branch of the military.  It is true that they are awarded the Navy varient of the MoH, but to refer to the USMC as a "component of the Navy" is incorrect.  208.253.246.93 18:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The confusion is understandable, but thanks for the correction.  Rklawton 19:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marine Corps Medal of Honor 

message: I updated this prior to creating an account, I apologize.  The pension amount was taken from the VA's current Special Benefits Allowances page.  Since the prior amount was way off I decided to update.  I hope I did it right. Out180 05:41, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pension benefit update 

message: I made a minor edit, but forgot to list what it was.  For the record, I changed "Unknowns" (which links to a disambig about unknown quantities in math, but has nothing about Unknown Soldiers to "Unknown Soldier") --Jpbrenna 02:57, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oops 

message: Here is an image I uploaded of the rosette.  Enjoy. Zscout370 02:24, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MoH Rosette 

message: I notice there is some repeated and out of date text.  The out to date text refers to the fact that the last action to have soliders awarded the MoH was in in Somalia, but we list on our page a solider will be awarded one (posthumously) in the next few weeks. Zscout370 04:38, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeating Text 

message: "The commission, led by Nelson Miles, recommended that the Army rescind 911 medals."
While implied latter it is not explicitly stated whether the medal where rescinded or not.
Rrreese 22:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of clarity: Medals rescinded 

message: I lost a little bit of respect for Wikipedia when the news that Paul Smith got the MOH, in a national ceremony at the White House, was dismissed without comment on the "In the News" suggestions.  I could see why some might think its only news in America, but how interesting that when the Victoria Cross was last awarded, up there it was on the News page.  I wonder if our admins are mostly from Canada and England...In any event, nothing more to say about it and the decesion is respected.  Dont mean to sound bitter, just voicing an opinion. -Husnock 17:48, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very disappointing 

message: Hey yall: I posted the Medal of Honor flag image at WP:FPC. The actual page is at . Let's see how this works out. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Picture Candidate 

message: Please expand the lead, one sentence is not enough, especially for a FA. Basically, this article has no lead and thus is in FARC danger.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:39, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I expanded it a bit. I know it is still pretty short, but at least it got the ball rolling. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tnx - it is much better now. One more technical note - external links should be removed from main body, preferably moved to notes/references and linked with Wikipedia:Footnotes. Btw, you may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Virtuti Militari/archive1 - it's an article quite similar to MoH.  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:34, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Lead]]

message: Don't know if it's worth including, but I wonder if some "undeserving" awards should be. Early in WW2, some officers (notoriously MacArthur, but also some Navy sub COs) got the Medal (or Navy Cross) just for surviving, without apparent (to me, at least) conspicuous heroism. Others, who deserved it (Mush Morton, notably) didn't get it. Comment?  Trekphiler 13:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal Creep?

message: I have noticed that a lot of online sources refer to the "Tiffany Cross" as a non-combat or peacetime award, but actually it was the version that was instituted for World War I combat acts.  In fact, it has the inscription "1917-1918" on the obverse.  The Naval Historical Center website has photos of both versions, including a star-shaped medal that was awarded during WW1 but for a non-combat act. J.T. Broderick 02:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiffany Cross 

message: I see PHdrillsergeant removed "only" and changed it to "first" in reference to Mary Walker's MOH, and stated that she was not the only recipient. As far as I know, she is the only woman to have received the MOH. Where are you getting information that there have been others? I can find no references showing another recipient, other than the move Courage Under Fire, which is a work of fiction. Nobunaga24 01:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She is both the first and the only.  Only, of course, is more specific.  No other woman has received the MoH.  On the other hand, several women have received the space MoH, but that's an entirely different award.  Rklawton 15:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Walker 

message: This whole "incorrect" business is troublesome.  It sounds like a drill instructor instructing a recruit.  It is true that the medal is designated "Medal of Honor."  It is also true that it is referred to by many as the "Congressional Medal of Honor."  The Army recognizes this in its description of the award (see reference in article).  I strongly agree with the edit that corrected the name in bold.  But I disagree with this "incorrectly" business.  The fact the name is stated clearly in the title and the start of the article should indicate that that is what it is called and that any other name is not the correct name.  Stating that other names are incorrect is actually redundant.  However, it is important to point out that the medal is known by another name (or names).  I changed the wording away from using "incorrect" to a version that paraphrases rather closely the Army's own wording.  I think the Army's explanation is much more sensitively worded.  Rklawton 16:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal of Honor, name of

message: I have two problems with the current state of the article:
*It has become aimless and unfocused; much of the writing is redundant. I've attempted to restructure the article to group together related new sections (since being Featured), but the content still has to be addressed.
*Entire sections do not cite sources, unless one extrapolates from the external links at the end, which aren't listed as references. Where citations do exist, they appear in inconsistent formats.
Are these problems easily fixable, or should the article just be demoted? Melchoir 10:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article is still in very good shape. With regard to the reference issue, this could be fixed without problem if the references and info is easily accessible. As for your first point, about lost focus, you probably need to elaborate more on specific problems. I don't think an FARC vote is required just yet, and maybe just work to solve what I hope are minor problems in an otherwise very informative article. Harro5 11:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To start with, "Appearance" is a string of stub paragraphs. Actually, the final paragraph of the introduction itself is a single sentence! "Appearance" and "Awarding the medal" are both redundant with their first subsections. The authority bit of "Authority and privileges" belongs in "History", which, come to think of it, I'll rename "Origin", since that's all it is. "Awarding the medal" and "Recipients" repeat the same statistics several times. The layout of "Recipients" is just broken. And... I don't know, reading through the article gives the impression that it was assembled by mob. Paragraph breaks occur at random, and in places most of the paragraphs start with "The", making the article more a listing of discrete facts than a work of brilliant prose. Melchoir 11:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this still be featured? 

message: Does anyone have details of the number of other non-Americans who received the award ? -- Beardo 20:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: in the beginning of the article it says the award has been given 3460 times.
later in the article it says 3459 times.
somebody should clear this up.
The number changes frequently, especially since the statutory requirements of 3-5 years after the act are so easily avoided by waivers.  The process is hopelessly political.
:There doesn't appear to be any such law. In fact, the last one awarded was presented on the 2nd anniversary of the action. The [page on the process] mention a 2 year maximum limit for the military to start action after which it has to be started by a Congressman but no mention of a 3-5 wait before awarding a medal. Also the awards are rare and the total does not change particularly frequently. Rmhermen 01:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistency 

message: The Military Channel/Discovery documentary Delta Company: A New Era in Baghdad mentions this bit of slang in reference to a Mine clearing charge which failed to detonate, necessitating a suicide run to properly fuze the device under fire. Where would be an appropriate place to mention this? —Nahum Reduta 11:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medal of Honor Run" 

message: Do you think we could set one up for this article to move un-needed pictures there? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image category on the Commons 

message: In the second paragraph of the intro it says the Coast Guard medal has never been awarded. But in the breakdown by numbers awarded by service, it lists one medal awarded for the Coast Guard. Can someone explain? KnightLago 11:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the CG's MOH DESIGN did not come about until the 1960s. In WWII a CG man was awarded the MOH, but as at that time the CG design did not exist, he was presented the Navy's design of the MOH. This is why the CG MEDAL/DESIGN has never been awarded (or even manufactured for that matter) but there is a CG man who has a MOH. Rlevse 12:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I know the NYPD has a Medal of Honor, so do OKC and St. Louis. What I suggest is creating Medal of Honor (disambiguation), where the US Medal, Game series and the other medals are listed at the page. Just a suggestion. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coast Guard MOH