Talk:Glossary of French words and expressions in English

message: "En masse" is a common English phrase that derives from French that is not mentioned in the article -93.97.122.93 (talk) 03:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  En masse 

message: These days venue is used to represent a location rather than a person, so at least add this definition? Natcarish (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venue 

message: Sorry, I do not know how to edit the main page, but I wanted to say that "beaucoup" (in the sense of "beaucoup money") is not used only or mainly in New Orleans; it's used all across southern Louisiana (the French, i.e. Cajun/Creole part).  I was born and raised in Lake Charles, LA, and it's a phrase I have used and heard used around me all my life.  So please remove the emphasis on New Orleans because that really makes no sense.  Baton Rouge, Lafayette, and Lake Charles are just as French as NOLA.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.60.71 (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  beaucoup 

message: From the Trésors de la langue française :
Certaines des 1res attest. (cf. aussi Rec. gén. des Sotties, t. 3, p. 201) indiquent nettement la signif. de cette loc. interj. servant à demander à un inconnu de quel parti il était (A. Thomas ds Romania t. 44, p. 101 à la suite de Clédat ds Rev. de Philol. fr. et prov., t. 9, p. 233, cf. aussi M. Roques ds Romania t. 47, p. 137). L'hyp., plus conforme à la compréhension actuelle de l'expr. interprétant qui vive? « qui est là vivant? y a-t-il âme qui vive? » (A. Jeanroy ds Romania t. 37, pp. 294-296) supposerait que l'interprétation qui transparaît dans les premières attest. soit déjà le résultat d'une fausse étymologie. Fréq. abs. littér.: 53.
The definition is : "Interrogation criée par une sentinelle pour sommer toute personne de se faire reconnaître"..   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.66.139.96 (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qui-vive 

message: === Alphabetical order ===
Make an effort to list items in alphabetical order. French has the same lexical order as English and Wikipedia does not automatically sort.
--UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering 

message: Make an effort to list items in alphabetical order. French has the same lexical order as English and Wikipedia does not automatically sort.
--UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical order 

message: Is there any way to tag photographs so they consistently appear near the term they refer to?  Many of the photographs now appear several screenfulls (many dozens of entries) away, and a couple photographs appear to refer to terms that appear to be no longer listed.  Hersbruck (talk) 23:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering of photographs 

message: Until we get a better definition of what this page is actually for, I think the anonymous's suggested test of "If a child asks what it means, would you say "It means X", or would you say "It's French for X" (or "It means X.  It's French")" is a good one.  Based on that, I would suggest removing the following: 
: ballet, bric-a-brac, brunette, café, charlatan, chauffeur, cliché, fiancé/e, genre, Grenadier, omelette, papier-mâché, piste, reconnaissance, renaissance, retard, reservoir, rôle (depending on whether you use the accent or not), sabotage, saboteur, silhouette. 
: Possibly also: bouquet, bourgeois, cache, Grand Prix, lamé. mousse, pince-nez.
Having written all those out, it occurs to me that a slightly more inclusive test would be to include words for which "it's French" would be a reasonable response to someone saying "huh - that's a funny spelling!", but even then, a lot of the above should be removed.  (Unless we change this article to "English words of French origin that are spelt the same in both languages".  But that would be retarded ;) ). Wardog (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing examples 

message: A redirect page to this page was tagged for speedy delete due to improper Redirection, however was sorted later. Karthik Nadar (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Is there a process of review for adding words to this page? Off the top of my head:
* cuisine - kitchen, cooking.
* mille feuille - literaly, "thousand leaves", a form of pastry.
* accoutrement - fashion accessory.
* voici - "Here is", complements "voila" - "there is".
* c'est la guerre - that's war, typicall used to justify something outrageous that would not be acceptable in peactime.
* duvet (pronounced slightly differently in English) (QuentinB88 (talk) 10:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Protip: Just add them next time. Not it. Noes goes. Travürsa (talk) 21:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Should be added, imo. Tony (talk) 14:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions to the page? 

message: What a dreadful mess of an article. Nothing should be included here unless it can be attested in both English and French. Such references should be extremely easy to find in the modern age. I've taken out some of the worst crap from the A-D sections; it would be great if others could lend a hand. --John (talk) 20:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed around 20% of the content as flagrantly not meeting the terms of the article. The whole thing still seems a little WP:OR to me with so few references. --John (talk) 06:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quelle connerie 

message: Typing "in lieu" in the search bar took me to this page, yet this page doesn't even have this example.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.7.35 (talk) 19:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a hybrid phrase, part English and part French, so I'm not sure if it is within the scope of the list, but I've been bold and added it. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Redirect: In Lieu 

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message: I don't think that "à la mode" has to mean "trendy" when used in French--it could mean the same as the literal (?) translation, as in the Norman tripe dish, Tripes à la mode de Caen. Yes?--Hjal (talk) 05:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As of September 2014, this phrase is listed in the section "Used in English and French" and also in the section "Not used as such in French".  The two overlapping entries should be consolidated into a single listing.  Reify-tech (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  à la mode 

message: 'Cologne at that time being under the control of France.'
If this means direct political control, it's wrong. Cultural, economic and political ties were strong, and French had become the lingua franca in large parts of Europe. But, at that time, the city was as much under French control as it is now under American control. 130.83.197.163 (talk) 07:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  eau de cologne 

message: I see from the discussion that there has been quite a bit of discussion about including and removing words. I don't know of **gendarmes** was ever on the list and got the chop at some point, but if that is the case, a photo of **gendarmes** was left in the article.
regards, Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gendarmes 

message: The expression chacun à son goût  is not used only in English, e.g., it is the title of a song in Franz Lehár's Die lustige Witwe (The Merry Widow). Should the text of Not used as such in French; be more general? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just English - chacun à son goût 

message: :Category:French loanwords was taken to CFD, and the result was essentially "delete after putting it into a list".  The list is now at Talk:List of French words and phrases used by English speakers/French loanwords; please go there to improve it.  Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:French loanwords 

message: Is "marquee" reaaly derived from marquise? Because "marquée" in French (also) means "written" which makes sense in this context...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.231.133.165 (talk) 20:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marquee 

message: As a frenchman living in the US, I made a few changes:
- added: amateur, boulevard, chateau, chef, cordon bleu, cuisine
- removed: haute cuisine, nouvelle cuisine
Thanks, Damien
edit:  i'm new to this site, can someone tell me why 2 days after half of the words I added were removed?????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.66.2 (talk) 18:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  my contribution 

message: If "avant la lettre" is an expression, a phrase, on the other hand "baguette" is a word, a term. Since the page contains a list of both French terms and phrases used by English speakers, I don't see why "expressions", ie phrases, should be substituted for "terms and phrases". The title should be "List of French terms and phrases in English". --Elnon (talk) 07:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. The Free Dictionary defines expression as "5. A particular word or phrase". The current title is fine, by this definition. But if a renaming is agreed upon, I just ask to also do the same for the German list, so as to keep a standard. —capmo (talk) 17:40, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the page's recent renaming 

message: The phrase "quel dommage" redirects to this page, but is not found in this article. Authors, please restrain yourselves from redirecting when doing so provides no pay-off by ignoring the information sought. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead-end redirect. 

message: To say that ennui means boredom (as in: "Mom! The battery in the TV clicker is dead! I'm bored!!!) is a weak and incomplete definition. It's far more complex an idea. The definition on the ennui page strikes closer to the mark: 
"A gripping listlessness or melancholia caused by boredom; depression." 
But on the citation page for the word, the meaning that encompasses the draining melancholia, a soul-deep emptiness, and the inability to connect to life is underscored: 
1990 — Terry Pratchett, Eric, p 165
    Now and again screams of ennui rose from between the potted plants, but mainly there was the terrible numbing silence of the human brain being reduced to cream cheese from the inside out."
1997 — Terrance Dicks, The Eight Doctors, p 256
    It was also known as ennui, the megrims, the blues, or the black dog. But whatever the name, the symptoms were always the same: listlessness, boredom, a sense that life was ultimately meaningless and futile, without point or purpose.
Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a fast consensus! Thank you, Reify-tech, Wordreader (talk) 04:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of ennui is weak. 

message: Entree evolving to mean the main dish in a meal instead of the first dish is an Americanism.  Elsewhere in the English speaking world it retains its French meaning of the first or starter dish.  I've corrected the entry to reflect this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.105.112 (talk) 02:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected Entree 

message: Extraconjugal affair between five and seven pm. In French, though it can also mean this, it primarily means any relaxing time with friends between the end of work and the beginning of the marital obligations.
As a French native speaker (and deep lover of French language, for that matter), I respectfully disagree: no one in France would ever use/understand it otherwise than in the "extraconjugal affair" meaning.--78.249.192.37 (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  cinq à sept

message: Added. From the discussion above, I think this belongs in, but others may disagree. What I'm not sure of is whether the term is used in the same sense in French.
It is also used as a technical term in the game of bridge, but I didn't think that usage was sufficiently notable for inclusion.Almonaster (talk) 06:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canapé 

message: Here is a list of redirects to this page from terms that aren't mentioned in the article (from here):
* Avez vous
* C'est bon
* C'est la mode
** C'est la mode.
* C'est magnifique
** C'est magnifique!
* Chateaux En Espagne
** Chateaux en Espagne
** Châteaux en Espagne
* Chevalier d'Industrie
* C’est tout
* Gautier and Garguille
* Quel dommage
Any ideas how this should be handled? If any of them are worth mentioning again the article they should be, or else alternate redirect targets will have to be found or the redirect deleted. Opencooper (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated redirects 

message: If we are to have a list like this in Wikipedia at all (and I sometimes have my doubts - it MUST be restricted to "French" words and phrases that are sometimes used by English speakers (usually instead of a perfectly good English one really, but that is another question. If you wanted to include English words with a French origin you'd have the equivalent of a very thick dictionary indeed - nearly half of the vocabulary of English is derived from French at some level. Please read the lead paragraphs to the article BEFORE adding examples of English that you have just realised are the same, or spelled the same, or even vaguely resemble French words, or what you imagine are French words. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 12:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this list is riddled with quite ordinary English words that need to be wiped!! I have picked up a few - but someone really needs to go right through!  Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT a dictionary of "French words in English" 

message: This example appears in the "Used in English and French" and "Found only in English." I am unfamiliar with french expressions so I don't know which instance needs to be removed.24.224.230.47 (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aide-de-camp 

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message: Many items listed here are without any citation or other justification. Per Wikipedia's core policy of WP:Verifiability, anything not supported by a citation to a reliable source may be challenged and removed. Per WP:UNSOURCED: ""
While the use of Wiktionary can be useful, Wiktionary may not be used as a reference or citation to verify an assertion in the article, because it is a self-published source, and per WP:WINARS. Any item sourced solely to Wiktionary, should be removed. Mathglot (talk)
: Looking more in detail, the sourcing in this article is in terrible shape.  Looking at just the "A's", every item in the A list would need to be removed, except for two: à la, and apéritif. The fact that there is massive violation of verifiability going on, doesn't somehow make it okay.  From what I can see, of the 34 items beginning with "A", 32 of them need to be deleted.  And so on, throughout the article.  
: Verifiability is not an optional policy, and must be adhered to. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Nothing to do with semantics or word usage, can someone unbold the text for the description, as I have failed to do so. Appreciate it Gelatoarcade (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naïveté 

message: I'm pretty sure description is La description. Most words in french ending in tion are "la" and I asked my dad, who is french and he said it was une or la Alefar (talk) 16:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  La description 

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