Talk:Windermere

message: The title of this article is incorrect as it is geographically inccurate and tautologous. The name Windermere incorporates the concept of lake as -mere means lake.Dabbler 16:49, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right Dabbler! I would suggest the title of "Windermere (Lake)", the clarification in brackets to distinguish the article from Windermere (Town) and perhaps other places called Windermere - of which there must be at least one in the USA! So how do you change an article title - anyone?  Arcturus 17:17, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: There are hills to the south-west and south-east of the lake, and yes they do afford panoramic views of Furness and Morecambe Bay, not to mention the Lake District to the north. However, the statement seems out of place here. Certainly there are mountains to the north, but I would suggest perhaps removing this entire sentence. Incidentally, giving precedence to metric units also seems out of place. I know there's a sort of standard in Wikipedia, but in the UK it makes more sense to give precendence to the units that are actually used in society (similarly for US-related articles). I can just about live with depths in metres, but to say that Windermere town is 1 kilometre from the lake just sounds a bit daft. I suggest imperial units be used with their metric equivalents in brackets.Arcturus 17:33, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see there is lots of discussion about units of measurement at Wikipedia:Measurements Debate, and no individual is going to resolve those different views in a hurry, and certainly not me, and not here. I have a lot of sympathy for your view, but on balance (narrowly) disagree as, although this is an article on a UK feature, it is in an international encyclopedia. I measured the distances on a metric map (all UK maps for many years have been produced in metric): to me giving that as an imperial measurement seems a bit odd altogether, but using both measurements is the best compromise. As it was measured in metric units, I've given those first, as the imperial values are conversions of the metric measurements. (The speed limit still has imperial first, as the metric value is a conversion of the imperial value in the byelaw.) UK society is increasingly using metric, and I am personally entirely comfortable with the town being 1km from the lake, but recognise that many in the UK (almost certainly the majority) are not; the global society, however, is metric to an even greater extent, though I would accept that whether this is true of users of the English-language Wikipedia is not clear. I would agree with your preference if I were writing a guide-book for the UK market, but not in this context. However, I don't feel that strongly about it – I would not revert the page if someone were to change it, for example. StephenDawson 22:02, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: At least UK folks are generally capable of translating from metric to "English units" ... we in the U.S. are flummoxed by the whole idea (except for two-litre bottles of Coke) and mildly indignant that there are people who think differently than we do. The nerve! - DavidWBrooks 15:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I've lived out on Ferry Nab for almost 20 years now, and I aint never seen no monster in that there lake. Nor have I ever met anyone who claims to have seen one, just the odd person who wants a Nessie of their own. There are plenty of Frog men go diving here, but most of them are fairly human. If I don't see some citation of a proper legend style monster I'm deleting the section. PiP 00:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lake monster? 

message: What happened to the MV Swift?  Should this be referenced ? Obrienaj 08:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It corroded, very similar to the Tern PiP (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MV Swift 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - as nominator. Reginmund 02:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Weird - I didn't know until making the above note that there *is* a Windermere (disambiguation)! Plain old Windermere forwards to it, which is an odd situation. - DavidWBrooks 14:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Support and Comment (changed opinion): In line with revised comments in the discussion below: the lake should be renamed "Windermere" as this is the name given on the Ordnance Survey maps as well as various official local council websites (all verifiable and capable of being cited). It therefore constitutes the official name for the body of water. The name of the town should be "Windermere (Cumbria)" in line with other similar dab cases. Dab pages must be revised if necessary.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: All the old county maps I have seen show the lake being entirely within Lancashire - the northern half of the lake forming a border with Westmoreland on the eastern shore, and the south of the lake wholly within Lancashire by several miles. 
In 1842, 'Barclay's Complete & Universal Dictionary' described Lancashire as "...a county of England, lying on the Irish Sea, and bounded by Cumberland, Westmoreland, Yorkshire, and Cheshire. It is 75 miles in length, and 30 in breadth...............  The principal rivers are the Mersey, Irwell, Ribble, Lune, Leven, Wyre, Hodder, Roche, Duddon, Winster, Kent, and Calder, and it has two considerable lakes, Windermere and Coniston Water. Lancaster is the county town. Population, 1,667,054. It returns 26 members to parliament. "
Angelogravity (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no expert on this, but if you zoom in and look at the map in the article at full resolution, there seems to be a dotted line along the whole western shore and the southern half of the eastern shore, which I would assume to be the county boundary, as it then was. -- Dr Greg  talk  00:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are you sure about the whole of the lake being within Westmoreland? 

message: I can easily believe that this is the largest natural lake in England, but I came to this article hoping to find an inline citation that said so. Is there such a citation, and I missed it? If not, can one be supplied? --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest natural lake in England? 

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message: The article claims that Windemere has 18 islands. The citation is an archived National Park (Lake District) page. https://web.archive.org/web/20120624045128/http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/visiting/windermere/windermere_outonthelake/windermere-islands The page claims 18 islands, but at the bottom of the page has a list which shows 18 items. One of these is 'Lilies of the Valley East and West', which are two islands, not one. The article itself includes a list of 19 islands. Windermere#Islands
2A00:23C6:3B89:8A00:687F:363A:37F5:AFC2 (talk) 20:02, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many islands? 

message: https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/raw-sewage-windermere-water-algae-b2146970.html Xx236 (talk) 10:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Cyanobacteria Xx236 (talk) 10:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecology 

message: The section on Swimming implies that interest in long-distance swimming in Windermere began in 2008. Whilst researching the article on Jenny James (swimmer), first Welsh person to swim the English Channel,  I came across a reference to her gaining the women's Windermere Record in 1958, and to other swimmers being listed as "Windermere Swimmers": https://bldsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/BLDSA1stLochLomondChampionshipprogramme-August1959.pdf. So long distance swimming of Windermere would appear to have been an established institution in the 1950s.Ntmr (talk) 11:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long distance swimming