Talk:Atari Panther

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I am not sure how to cite things, but I found the following source for some information on the Atari Panther
http://www.gamingmagz.com/from-the-past/secret-specs-of-ataris-16-bit-panther.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.110.250 (talk) 04:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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message: So in a series of Facebook comments, Leonard Tramiel, who along with his brother Sam was a major part of the Panther design team, basically said that the article in the old British gaming magazine The One, which is used as a major source in this article, is, frankly, bullshit. The supposed events relayed in the article of a reporter getting to see a prototype from shortly after the decision to cancel the Panther in favor of the Jaguar never happened and never could have, as the Panther graphics chip never actually worked. It was found that the design, which had been prototyped on a breadboard, failed when the initial batch of actual chips from the foundry arrived, leaving only static on screen, and that fixing it would have set the project back by a year or more, so they decided to cancel it outright in favor of the Jaguar, which had been suggested and was in preliminary design. Considering some of the other claims in that article, like the supposed massive color pallet and the six controller ports were always implausible and never claimed elsewhere, the whole magazine article is clearly a fabulist's fantasy, and should be removed as a source, along with its false claims. 
Also, the 3 games listed as being in development for the Panther weren't actually started until after they realized that the Panther didn't actually work, so they really were always intended for the Jaguar. 
In short, the whole article here is repeating 30 year old falsehoods and needs to be entirely rewritten. oknazevad (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we can use random comments on Facebook as verified sources. TheEmperorAnt (talk) 14:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not random comments, but the verified account of the actual company heads at the time of its failure. They call the article false. It was removed as it failed proper verification from any reliable source. oknazevad (talk) 07:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Yeah, seriously. There is a difference between using something as a source and using something to debunk a bullshit source. I agree using Leonard’s statements as sources in the article is questionable because even though we know its him his statements have not been funneled through a third party that executes some kind of editorial oversight. However, when verified people come out and say a source that already appears suspect is a complete fabrication, then yeah, we can stop using that source without worrying about whether the debunking source itself can be used on Wikipedia. Indrian (talk) 19:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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message: Hey all, just wanted to contribute by adding my Atari Panther 3D model. It was about time we updated the very old pencil sketch that was present here. I have a whole host of images relating to the Panther based on the official design diagram that Atari released, located here: https://web.archive.org/web/20031202031226/http://www.atari-explorer.com/jaguar-panther.html the spec sheet is also located on that page. 
I have more angles of the 3D Panther image located here: https://imgur.com/a/lbdFc TheEmperorAnt (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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message: It seems it was Super XE, later adopted the name Panther after its object processor which was called Panther. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 01:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? Like, in the decades I've been aware of this cancelled console, I have never heard of bay. Considering the XE GS was a market failure, I consider such a claim absolutely dubious and demand a source before believing I let alone considering putting it in the article (because that's the purpose of Wikipedia talk pages, to discuss article contents, not rumors about the article's subject). oknazevad (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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