Talk:Third wave ska

message: Why is third-wave hyphenated, when second wave is not? Night Gyr 00:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a grammar issue. You can say "third-wave ska", where "ska" is the noun and the hyphen is needed to create the adjective. Or you can say "third wave of ska", where "wave" is the noun. Right now the title is odd; the noun is "third-wave". - mako 03:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, this title is STILL grammatically incorrect; it should be 'Third-wave ska'. 82.45.161.53 02:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why hyphenated? 

message: This is not third wave ska... It is most definitely second wave in style and sound. The three waves of ska refer to a sound and style, not a time period... Learn your history. They do not sound even remotely like Sublime, or the Mighty Mighty Bosstones... RBF is about the only band that has songs that even sound close...
*Third wave is both a time period and sound/style.Spylab 16:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT THIRD-WAVE!!! 

message: The section in the ska article is longer than this. Should we merge it? If we do, we better make sure we don't lose any info. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 23:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support. Seems like a straightforward change to improve the grammar of the title. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: If there is to me a merge between these two articles, it makes more sense to merge Third wave ska into Ska punk, because Ska punk has a more precise definition and has more substantial content. Third wave ska is more of a wishy-washy term with disagreements about what it really means. Spylab 02:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to proposed merge between Ska Punk & Third Wave Ska

message: Isn't that thinking backwards...?  Third-wave includes ska-punk, it's not completely vice-versa.  It wouldn't make sense to completely skip over third-wave, seeing as not all third-wave is ska-punk...  Now that I think about it, why not merge both pages into the main ska page and turn ska punk and third wave ska into redirects to ska?? FrogStomp 02:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Spylab's reversed merge

message: Third-wave was single handedly brought over by Bucket of The Toasters from the British two-tone movement. Third wave is both time period and progression of the ska genre to more contemporary sound.
Also, Sublime and No Doubt as third-wave ska bands? This is very questionable and has been debated to death by ska fans in the past. My opinion is that they are both more ska influenced in certain eras of their music rather than being a ska band.
Sublime has a ska/reggae punk feel, while No Doubt is more of an influence. While some of their songs at the time of third-wave's height would fit closer to the category of third-wave ska, the bands in general do not deserve to be categorized as such. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cosecant (talk • contribs) 10:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  this page needs so much work 

message: I oppose merging third wave ska into ska. The third wave ska article is long enough to stand on its own, and would make the main ska article too long if it was merged there. If anything, the section on third wave ska within the main ska article should be shortened. Spylab (talk) 19:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The "meat" of this article is about 2 paragraphs, while the section in the ska article is about 1, and they both say the same thing. A couple of paragraphs on 3rd wave in the ska article would be the best place for this. At this point this article does not have enough meaningful, referenced content to stand on its own. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third wave ska merge message

message: I made some big changes to this article. I know I'm violating a lot of Wikipedia rules because I added a lot of unsourced material and original research. But an article like this is not well served by sticking too closely to the rules.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.132.162 (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: It used to mention Catch22 and Streetlight Manifesto and now it does now?
Did someone revert it, or some other deletion nazi destroyed it? 3-4 months earlier these bands were mentioned here...
82.139.0.45 (talk) 12:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Find the better version and restore the information that should be included. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to this article?

message: The tense of this article changes from past to present often. I believe it should all be present. Soccrmastr (talk) 21:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  tense 

message: Here are a few tracks I've found online which will hopefully help you to see that Oingo Boingo was a ska band as well as a new wave band. They deserve a mention on the list of third wave ska bands and in the third wave ska article. They were more of a New Wave band, but most ska bands played other kinds of music as well. Madness was more of a pop band, Toots and the Maytals were more a reggae band, and the Aquabats are more of a rock band. But they all still played ska and are considered ska bands, it's the same with Oingo Boingo. If nessessary I can also provide additional sources (different from the ones in the Oingo Boingo article) that state Oingo Boingo was at least partially a ska band. The first three songs are some very 2 Tone influnenced ska tracks from the early eighties, which is when the third wave started. I think that should support stating that Oingo Boingo along with the Toasters and Fishbone played in a style similar to the 2 Tone bands early in the third wave.
http://www.imeem.com/agent-24/music/RIlw8txu/oingo_boingo_louise/
http://www.boingo.org/raresongs/ViolentLoveEP.mp3
http://www.boingo.org/raresongs/AintLifeEP.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucpMFhAxOvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZdycnbjpGI (this one's more reggae, but the Boingo Alive version is clearly ska.)
http://www.imeem.com/jukeboxmusic15/music/6SmcW-7g/oingo_boingo_stay/?rel=1 (It's only a small clip, but you can definately hear the ska rhythms in there.)
Those are some ska songs from their early days, their mid period, and even their later days when they became more of an Alternative rock band. I can provide additional songs for more verification, but I think that should do it. Have a good day! Ash Loomis (talk) 00:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oingo Boingo and ska

message: What do people think about the proposed merge?ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal