Talk:Olympic weightlifting

message: Is the chalk used for the grip magnesia or magnesium carbonate or calcium carbonate? I had always bars of little weight which looked more like magnesium oxide (magnesia usta) than anything else. Stone 15:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalk 

message: Regarding the image in hte main article: 
If you look carefully the guy has 4X25kg + 15kg + 10kg on each side, this, plus the bar does not equal 180kg. Sadly the link is dead  so I can't check it out further.
Comments?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.77.4.129 (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image of "A weightlifter about to jerk 180 kg[1]"

message: I think it is completely inaccurate to compare powerlifting to weightlifting in many terms. Powerlifting seems to be misunderstood by most weightlifters and the converse seems to be true as well. 
First in terms of power. 
In powerlifting events a participant must control the weight in the down-stroke in both the squat and the bench press and then wait for the judge to get the okay to lift. Specifically, force is being applied to the barbell in a "controlled" eccentric movement. For example, a 500 lb barbell must have somewhat less force applied to it in a controlled manner in the 2 foot downstroke of an extended bench press. At which point it must stop for decision and audible command of the judge  (more force being applied). The judge will audible with "rack" or "press" and the lifter attempts to explode under the bar to apply more than 500 lbs of force across the distance of the up-stroke.
In weightlifting the participant starts the barbell in a seated "squat" position, pulls the bar to his chest (or waist high before he assumes another squatted position),  and then commences the up-stroke to the final position. There is virtually no control in the down-stroke. The bar is allowed to plummet to the floor while the lifter moves out of the way.
To conclude. Powerliftering includes the additional eccentric force of a down-stroke being applied in two of the three events, whereas in both the clean-and-jerk and snatch there is no appreciable force being applied in the down-stroke other than getting out of the way.
Second in terms of time.
The amount of time for the actual lifts in powerlifting starts as soon as the lifter leaves the extended "locked out" position (this does not include the walk-out from the squat rack). I think if you investigate some time in watching actual squats and bench press attempts with the above knowledge you can acknowledge that the events take a few more seconds than Olympic Weightlifting (at the very least 1 more).
The snatch lift rarely goes beyond 3 seconds (on average 2 seconds) and the only reason the clean-and-jerk does is the pause (in a locked-out position) in the middle of the lift.
In both cases, there is a certain amount of time waiting for the judgement. The powerlifter waits for judgement at the bottom of the down-stroke in the squat and bench in an eccentric postion, and the olympic lifter waits for judgement at the top of the up-stroke in an extended "locked out" position.
I think if you compare the amount of time involved in all lifts involved you'll see that the powerlifter is exerting more force (heavier weights) over longer periods of time.
Third in terms of weight.
I don't think it needs to be said that obviously powerlifters have shorter stroke distances and deliberate paths that allow greater weights. Much greater weights. In fact in some instances twice the workload.
Olympic lifters employ ballistic movements that involve the whole body to some extent. However, the legs and erectors are not only the primary movers in both lifts but constitute the greatest movers. As such, greater weights can be moved upward at the expense of most upper body utilization. As a result, lesser weights are moved because of the extreme whole body ballistic movement and emphasis on lower body development.
I think if you compare the deadlift to the beginning stages of the snatch and clean-and-jerk, you'll see the primary emphasis of both sports. One being maximum weight over a controlled deliberate distance and the other being smaller weights being controlled over a longer distance with a ballistic movement.
Fourth in terms of accessories.
Powerlifting associations can allow gear such as bench press shirts, squat suits, knee wraps, wrist wraps, etc, etc, etc. However, there are associations that don't.
Olympic lifting does not allow majority of these except in the case of injury where I've seen knee wraps and wrist wraps.
Fifth in terms of systemic response.
Since powerlifters deal more in the realm of tests of limit strength, there is more of a stress in the systemic response. Since the lifts take slightly longer, are more arduous, and more taxing anaerobically, there is more depletion on blood sugar levels (more expended energy, more stores required), more stress on the nervous system (requiring more neurons to fire under maximum loads), and slightly more stress on the joints. 
I whole heartedly agree that weightlifting requires greater dexterity and mobility, but it nowhere matches the amount of stress on the joints in situations where they are required to perform under absolute maximum loads and compression.
Sixth in terms of drug testing.
In powerlifting, there are drug-free associations and drug-tested associations with lapses in both. The records in the drug-free associations do seem to be lower.
I can't speak intelligently about the Olympic drug testing, only to say that it is not perfect either if news headlines indicate.
Seventh in terms of lifts and lifting methods.
The differences in lifting techniques is so varied there just isn't enough room to go into it.
Thus I conclude that many of the terms used in these articles are completely inaccurate and unfair agendized/politicized descriptions. The term "power" can't be used as differentiating factor because it's oblivious to the true nature of Powerlifting lifts. Also, it seems that the article does not describe the full lift constraints as outlined by the IPF rulebook. 
Additionally, I think the only way to compare these two training methods and competitions is on an empirical level (what happens) and a philosophical nature as briefly touched on above, Powerlifting attempts to move maximum weight over a controlled deliberate path (sometimes with an up and downstroke) and Olympic lifting attempts to move lighter weights over a longer distance in a ballistic whole-body movement.
Darakom (talk) 17:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a discussion forum and not a place to post original research.  Adding information to mainspace requires reliable sources and talk pages are meant to be used to discuss improvements to mainspace pages, not for discussing a topic in general.  WLU (talk) 20:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons of Weightlifting vs Powerlifting 

message: I am removing the sentence "Additionally, the sport demands both intense mental focus and competitve toughness in order to succeed." for two reasons: 1. It is a subjective opinion that is very likely true but not really a verifiable piece of information. 2. The same can be said for virtually any sport. People do not come to this page to learn if it is a tough sport; they read the relevant facts and form their own interpretation. Heymon32 (talk) 23:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Non-Informative Opinions 

message: The section on rules links to the rulebook after talking about "a rule with an intentional design on 'human progress'". I was sufficiently curious to go look up to find out what exactly this trying to say, but couldn't find anything. There certainly isn't anything in the rulebook in the vicinity of the rules for tie-breakers that clarifies this. I'm removing this clause. If there is something interesting in the origin of the tie-breaker rules, perhaps someone can put it back with a little more explanation and a link to a source (not just for the rule, but for the rationale). Kevinpet (talk) 06:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing confusing "human progress" note with no support in citation 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose. The primary topic for weightlifting is weight training. Calidum Talk To Me 04:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * I agree with your statement, given the fine line between all of these terms. For example, between the articles Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifting, the main and only major difference is that one is performed in the Olympics, and the other is not. Steel1943 (talk) 14:23, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifting are subtopics of a missing topic article on the general competitive sport (which can include forms not covered by these two articles), and that is in turn a subtopic of the human practice of lifting weights for any number of purposes. bd2412 T 14:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * I noticed that Draft:Weightlifting is essentially an old version of the Weightlifting article (with a few modifications) that you had edited/returned to a concept article prior to an editor reverting it to a disambiguation page ... after it was reverted to a disambiguation page from a concept article a few days prior. (For anyone else reading this, look at the edit history of Weightbuilding around June 2012 for details.) However, I support the look of the concept article: it looks a lot cleaner. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yes - it's a draft because it still needs expansion and citations. bd2412 T 18:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text: *(I've moved the above discussion to the section of Talk:Weightlifting that directly correlates with the above collapsed discussion.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: I believe that athlete was found positive for PEDs, and stripped of that medal she won in that very same lift.  Maybe use another picture of a different lifter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.212.217 (talk) 19:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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