Talk:Frederick Banting

message: A HA is a Hectare. It's not in the article, just noticed that. Thanks for pointing that out.  - Mike
(The article mentions that the farm under dispute is "100 acre (40 ha)".  What is a 'ha'?  A unit of measure?  I didn't want to take it out, but felt that it should be questioned.  --Mechcozmo 21:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1 acre = 0.4047 hectares Seminumerical 10:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Farm space

message: This article is about Banting, not the place to re-write scientific history.Stevenscollege 10:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Paulescu did some work in that direction. His contribution is minor. And his influence is circumstantial -- somehow the Canadians read his published articles. Paulescu was a Chistian fundamentalist and an Iron Guard ideologist. His minions today are trying to reinvent him. In 1918 Bucharest was occupied by the Germans. Yet, there is not a shred of proof how Paulescu was restricted by the Germans to complete his studies. In 1921, 3 years later, Paulescu still had nothing. So I can speculate that in 1931, the year of his death, there wouldn't be a usable product. 37.175.66.42 (talk) 09:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Paulescu was not even remotely a scientist, other than his function. He was violently against the Theory of Evolution half a century later. A fundamentalist orthodox his Romanian discourse is anti science and anti proof only about belief. The quality of the study can be proven by his pseudo-scientific work where he proves that jews and women are somehow less evolved than the male of the specie. 37.175.66.42 (talk) 09:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

text: He was working on a veterinary product unfit for humans. 37.175.66.42 (talk) 09:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicolae Paulescu

message: That is just Canadian bullcrap. 
People have the right to know the truth! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.138.195.202 (talk) 10:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but you're definitely not helping with comments like that. (JGDo (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The truth is Nicolae Paulescu was a fanatical breeder of hate and not much. In Romania they teach everything about insulin is somehow Paulescu related. In fact, the origin of a misterious substance that hold the key to diabetes is older. An Italian located the substance in the pancreas. The Italian also developed the study method with dogs used by Paulescu. If Paulescu stops being a Romanian far right puppet people would notice there were other people doing experiments along the same lines.
I'm serious. LEARN THE TRUTH. Frederick Banting does not deserve the Nobel Prize. Canadian bullshit!!! Salvadoradi (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: We're more than happy to support the truth.  See my comment below.  First, Paulesco has a legitimate (albeit debatable) claim to the title "discoverer" of insulin/pancreatin.  Since the article lists Banting as a "co-discoverer," I don't see this as a problem.  Second, the fact that Paulesco published a paper on an insulin/pancreatin extract that was active in dogs a few months before Banting's paper was published does not void Banting's claim to the Nobel Prize.  At best it simply underscores the well known fact that others should have shared the prize with Banting and Macleod.  This has been known since the day it was awarded, and both Banting and Macleod protested that others should have shared in it, and split their prize money with Best and Collip, respectively.  Others, including Paulesco should have been included.  However, the idea that the Nobel Committee excluded Paulesco because his work was not known, or they didn't check the relevant invormation before awarding it to Banting and Macleod (hence, some comments here about the award to Banting being an 'error') is completely false.  Paulesco's work was mentioned in the Nobel Prize presentation speech in 1923.  Hence, nobody can claim that the Nobel Committee was unaware of Paulesco's work when they awarded the Prize to Banting and Macleod. (JGDo (talk) 01:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Where does one go to learn this "truth"? How about a couple of reliable references? By the way, the Nobel Prize is awarded by a Danish organization with input from international advisors. Silverchemist (talk) 06:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Here is a nice sample of Orthodox fundamentalist reasoning. Screams and self supported beliefs called truths. 37.175.66.42 (talk) 09:50, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I think it would be a good idea to start a separate article on the controversy surrounding both the discovery of insulin and the awarding of the 1923 Nobel Prize, which has been controversial from the beginning.  There's enough material, and the material is getting to be too extensive to put in either the insulin page, or the page about Nobel Prize controversies.  I would mention two things here, though. 
1.  The awarding of the Prize to Banting and Macleod has been controversial from the start.  Most of the controversy surrounded who was not included in the award.  The Nobel committee's own website has already discussed this, and can be used as a link:  http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/articles/lindsten/index.html
The bottom line regarding this is that nobody except Banting and Macleod were nominated, and the Nobel Prize rules state that only people who are nominated can win.  From the beginning, however, there was talk that others should have been included, but weren't.  Most notabley, the day after the announcement, Banting complained that Best should have been included, and shared his half of the prize money with Best, and Macleod claimed Collip should have been included, and likewise split his prize money with Collip.  There were others who should probably have been included as well, including Paulesco.
2.  The awarding of the Prize to Banting is not an 'error' in the sense of the Nobel Committee not knowing of Paulesco's work, as some have suggested.  It is clear that the Nobel Committee did the necessary background research on the insulin work that preceded Banting's, because they mentioned the history of insulin research in the 1923 Nobel Prize presentation speech before giving Banting and Macleod the award.  Here is the link to the speech: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1923/press.html
The relevant passage is here, where Paulesco is mentioned.
"Amongst these I should like especially to mention Zuelzer, who in 1908 produced an extract which was undoubtedly effective, but which also showed injurious by-effects-consequently it could not be used to any great extent therapeutically-and also Forschback, Scott, Murlin, Kleiner, Paulesco, and many others."
(JGDo (talk) 01:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicolae Paulescu 

message: The article claims that Banting was assigned only one assistant, a graduate student, Charles Best.  It was my understanding that  A) Banting was originally assigned two assistants, Charles Best and E. Clark Noble, and  B) Both Best and Noble were not graduate students, but 4th year undergraduates.  
Does anybody have an objection to me mentioning E. Clark Noble in this article?  
While Banting was originally given two lab assistants, for reasons that are still controversial, only Best ended up helping Banting for the summer, and Noble did not.   The controversy surrounds the story that a coin toss determined who would work with Banting, and that Best won the toss.  Banting and Noble both claimed there was a coin toss, and Best claimed there wasn't, for reasons that have been questioned (in various biographies).  At any rate, while Noble didn't get to help Banting, he was subsequently hired by Macleod to work on fish-derived insulin, and was involved in many of the early papers regarding the characterization of insulin.  Thus, I think Clark Noble, who was a good friend of Charles Best, deserves to get a mention as one of the two lab assistants that were originally assigned to help Banting. (JGDo (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banting's assistants. 

message: The assertion on Banting (crater) is that the crater was named in honour of Frederick Banting's contributions to medicine, not 'named after his brother' as asse--User:Brenont (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banting (crater) 

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message: Frederick Banting is being mentioned on Google Doogle regarding Quasquicentennial (125th) anniversary since day of his birth. Honors/Awards section should be updated to reflect Google Doodle mention, maybe others on the Quasquicentennial milestone. Ryan (talk) 06:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: Delete word [England's] from [In 1934 he was knighted by England's King George V.] This is an incorrect adjective as George V was not King of England but of the United Kingdom plus many other countries, including Canada. Please see article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V for more details. Current wording suggests an honour granted by a foreign power rather than by the Canadian Head of State (in which capacity George V was acting when Knighting Banting).
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message: The 1st paragraph of section "Early Years" states 
"In 1910, he started at Victoria College, part of the University of Toronto, in the General Arts program. After failing his first year, he petitioned to join the medical program in 1912 and was accepted. He began medical school in September 1912.[7]:28–29"
This section is unclear to me.  Did he fail his first year of college and then apply to medical school?  Or did he apply to medical school in 1910 or 1911 and was rejected?  
Can someone with more knowledge of the subject edit for clarity?  
Thanks!--Wysockat85 (talk) 16:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word choice - Early Years 

message: Is it true that Banting gave away the patent on insulin because he wanted it to be available to all who need it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.116.226 (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patent 

message: Provide citation for location of Banting's grave in Toronto.  Located under "Personal Life"
Citation is http://www.mountpleasantgroup.com/en-CA/General-Information/Our%20Monthly%20Story/story-archives/frederick-banting.aspx
Tordenois (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — Andy W. (talk) 05:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: There is a music video about him, it is what caused me to look up this article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7X5jGt8lY
79.240.170.82 (talk) 06:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banting in popular culture 

message: How is it possible that there's no discussion in this piece of his anti-Semitism, as documented by Canadian historian Michael Bliss in Banting: A Biography? Banting is reported to have said "You know if I'd known so many Jews had diabetes, I don't think I'd ever have gone into [insulin research.] On another occasion, Banting told his secretary, "...how hard it is to keep fending off people who want insulin. And besides, they're mostly Jewish."  https://ojs.library.dal.ca/DMJ/article/download/4307/3899 Randal Oulton (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism 

message: This article says that Banting was the youngest of five children, but the article on him in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography says he was the youngest of six children. Rollo August (talk) 21:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Youngest of six or five?