Talk:.45 Colt

message: Folks, could we indicate that this is a centerfire cartridge (if that is true), discuss its primer, and its rim characteristics.
MORE: Although very good to have to side view of the cartridge, note that a good reference (e.g., Smith) also include the breach end of the cartridge.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:184:C501:DEB0:6CA7:DCDB:D32F:B0C8 (talk) 05:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

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:They should only be used in modern large-frame shotguns such as the Ruger Blackhawk, any gun firing the .454 Casull cartridge, or single-shot hunting pistols and rifles chambered for the cartridge.''
The last part of this sentence confuses me. Is it safe to load beefed-up .45 colt rounds into ANY .45 colt chambered rifle, such as a lever action Ruger or Winchester, or only single-shot rifles? I think they would mean the former because I've never seen a single-shot .45 Colt rifle, but I have seen alot of .45 Colt lever actions. 75.75.110.235 17:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be safe in other rifles, single-shot rifles typically have very strong actions. It's best to know the pressure levels when doing such experimentation. Single-shot rifles would include things like the NEF and T/C. Arthurrh 22:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That used to be true when the rifles in town were Winchester 1892 (And Rossi-made replicas), and Winchester 94/Marlin 1894 lever-actions.  The 94/1894 actions could handle up to 35,000 PSI, and a brand-new Rossi/Legacy 1892 could handle up to 40,000-50,000 PSI.  And an NEF break-open rifle will handle similar pressures.  I'm not sure about the newer Browning Hi or Low-Wall rifles, but given he other cartridges they're chambered for, I'd probably trust them to handle Marlin-level loads.  However, the replica rifles aimed at the CAS folk, like the Winchester 1873 replicas sold by Uberti and the others . . . they can't handle any more than the 14,000 PSI SAAMI spec, and probably shouldn't be used extensively with more than the 12,000 PSI level Cowboy Action loads.GMT 14:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

text: So to reiterate, when using non [[SAAMI] rated loads in any firearm, be sure to know what pressure the round is expected to generate, and what pressure the firearm can safely handle. Arthurrh 20:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Safe Loads

message: How can you guys honestly say the .45LC "develops 566 ft/lbs energy at a muzzle velocity of 1000 fps" from the listed Black Powder load?  The smokeless loads on the sidebar only go to 522 ft/lbs? Also, they built the Colt "express" pump gun and a lever-action for .45 LC. EDIT: So did a couple others (original 19th-century guns, I mean.)68.231.189.108 (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it does not make sense.  Because of the size of the rim on 45 Colt, it was not suitable as a rifle cartridge.  It was chambered in reproductions much later by Winchester, Marlin, Rossi, etc because of the popularity of Cowboy Action Shooting, but the fact remains that Colt never chambered a rifle in this caliber.  See the article on the Colt Lightning Rifle.  Wiki is not wrong on this, you are. --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

text: No, I do not.  The rim was too small to be effective in a rifle at the time. Due to extraction, etc.  Length has nothing to do with it: .44-40 is closer in length, all the express cartridges of the time were much longer and the 22's much shorter.  Modern technology made chambering somewhat better and for the purposes of the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting where having a pistol and carbine chambered in the same caliber makes it safer and more convenient.  I made those edits and they are backed up by reliable sources.  I've worked in the arms industry my entire adult life and write articles based on reliable sources, not based on gibberish or dubious facts pulled out of my ass about gunshow merchandise.  Call Colt and speak to the Archivist if you don't believe me, or pick up a book and actually read it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I came across more than one source indicating that the earliest military .45 Colt cartridge cases used .505-.506" rims.  That is smaller than even the current production cases.  --D.E. Watters (talk) 04:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Powder Performance?

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class.  Referencingand appropriate inline citation guidelines not met.    --dashiellx (talk) 20:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: I can read: This cartridge was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1875 and served as the official US military handgun cartridge for 17 years. 
The first Colt SAA revolvers were shipped to the US-Govt. September 1873, 1874 all the Cav. Regiments were equipped with SAAs, Frankford Arsenal produced .45 cartridges for Colt Revolvers in November 1873. Question: Why the Govt. adopted the .45 Colt cartridge only in 1875? hmaag (talk) 14:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Casualty of intermittent vandalism or gun shop commando? I just changed it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 15:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: .45 Colt cartridge adopted in 1875

message: The ballistics data should show some blackpowder loads. --Phil1988 (talk) 18:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be dangerous for someone not used to loading black powder cartridges.  Black powder loads simply fill the case with no airspace.   They are never measured by weight, always by volume.  DrHenley (talk) 11:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackpowder ballistics 

message: The statements attributed to reference #4, Mike Venturino's 1998 article, don't seem quite right, as Mike V. stated "...no 1800s-vintage repeating rifles were chambered for .45 Colt caliber for technological reasons."  Nothing was mentioned about Rim size/type or Patent infringement there.  Maybe there is another source from the same author.  Also, the logic in those statements need clarification - "The reason was...., in fact...."  implies that there is not one reason but two, and that only the second reason may be factual?  It might be an easier read if article started with the right reason stated first and other hypothesis or conjecture later, (with sources).
144.183.31.2 (talk) 20:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patent 

message: I've noticed an error on page one. Under the picture of the .45 Colt is the description of the bullet parts used in .45 Colt. 
The caption reads ‘Bullet diameter .454(lead), .452(jacketed)’ . A bit further down the page the bullet size is listed as ‘ .451 inches in diameter for jacketed bullets, and .452 for lead bullets.’
I believe that in the same article, the sizes listed should be the same. It depends on the firearm and the application that different bullet sizes be decided. 
Bullet sizes range from .451 to .454, but the application determines bullet diameter.
Reference: Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, 8th Edition, pages 1005 to 1010.
Thank you
G Walrath
Gerald Walrath (talk) 20:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt 

message: In the initial paragraph of the article, the final line which is supposed to refer to the adoption of the .45 M1887 Military Ball Cartridge instead links to the article on the Winchester 1887 Shotgun. Thought I'd point it out. I'm quite new to Wikipedia so I'd thought I'd point it out so someone with more knowledge of how to edit wikipedia article could fix it. - Joe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calibrez37 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  M1887 wrong link 

message: The article misquotes Cartridges of the World.  It does not categorically state that ".45 Colt should never be loaded to more than 800 fps."  What it actually says is "Blackpowder revolvers should not be used with any load developing more than about 800 fps muzzle velocity." - direct quote.
So I added "in blackpowder revolvers" to clarify that statement.
DrHenley (talk) 15:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartridges of the World misquote 

message: There are some errors in History.  The .45 Colt cartridge used in the trials had a 255gr bullet over 40 grains of black powder.  The .45 Colt cartridge issued by the Frankford Arsenal in 1874 had a reduced loading of 30 grains of black powder under a 250 grain bullet.  The Frankford Arsenal stopped production of that cartridge on August 20, 1873.  The replacement cartridge introduced by the Frankford Arsenal, "Revolver Ball Cartridge, Caliber .45", in early 1874 was not the .45 S&W (Schofield). It was a compromise cartridge. The case was the same length as the .45 S&W, but with a reduced rim, to allow 6 rounds to be chambered in both revolvers.  The standard rim on the .45 S&W was too large to permit 6 rounds to be chambered, only 3 or 4 could be chambered in the 1873 Colt.  The original rim on the .45 Colt was too narrow to allow reliable ejection from the S&W Model 3.  
The new cartridge was loaded with 28 grains of black powder and used a 230 grain bullet. In 1882, the compromise cartridge was modified to be Boxer primed instead of Berdan primed.  The final iteration was the M1887 ball cartridge, not the M1882 (typo?).  
The M1909 cartridge was a smokeless cartridge using a 250 grain bullet and rated for 275 FPS +/- 25 FPS.  
I don't know how much to include with out getting too far off-topic. Rklute (talk) 23:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History