Talk:Air Training Corps

message: Might I point out that it is an absolute disgrace that  Air Commodore Chamier has got a few sentences for his STUB article. It needs to be expanded immediately. Even an ACP would provide more information. Dev920 23:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Commodore Chamier

message: Is it just me or does anyone else feel that there is no need for the long (and growing) list of links to squadron websites.  A single link to the complete list at the main HQAC website would in my opinion be far neater.  If nobody objects I shall remove these links at some point.
Sc147 20:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Squadron links

message: * 14F (Northolt) Squadron
* 25 (Parkwood) Squadron
* 32F (1st Glasgow) Squadron
* 39F (Barnes) Squadron
* 46F (Kensington) Squadron
* 58 (Harrogate) Squadron
* 59 (Huddersfield) Squadron
* 68 (Westbury Squadron)
* 77 (Redruth) Squadron
* 79 (Whitchurch) Squadron
* 84 (Coventry Airport) Squadron
* 96 (Dewsbury) Squadron
* 134 (Bedford) Squadron
* 155 (Maidenhead) Squadron
* 158 (Braintree) Squadron
* 172 (Haywards Heath) Squadron
* 187 (City of Worcester) Squadron
* 211 (Newbury) Squadron, ATC
*  213 (City of Rochester) squadron
* 241 (Wanstead and Woodford) Squadron
* 248 (Letchworth Garden City) Squadron
* 261 (Guildford) Squadron
* 295 (Witham & Rivenhall) Squadron
* 297 (Musselburgh) Squadron
* 298 (Hornsea) Squadron
* 338 West Ham Squadron
*  344 (Fulham)Squadron
*  354 (Dover) Squadron
* 360 (Llwchwr) squadron
*  361 (Gateshead) Squadron
*  398 (Staines & Egham) squadron
* 414 (Epping) Squadron
* 435 (Newcastle-under-Lyme) Squadron
* 444 (Shoreditch) Squadron
* 487 (Kingstanding and Perry Barr) Squadron  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze10001 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to ATC Squadron websites

message: * Bedfordshire and Cambridgeshire Wing
* Bristol and Gloucestershire Wing
* Dorset & Wilts Wing
* Durham/Northumberland Wing
* Essex Wing
* Hampshire & Isle of Wight Wing
* Herts and Bucks wing
*  Kent Wing
* London Wing
* Merseyside Wing  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.96.115 (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to ATC Wing websites

message: *London & South East Region Music
Sc147 15:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to ATC Region special interest web sites

message: Further to the stable belt comment on the main page. The info there is false. Stable belts are not scaled items however can be purchased privately. They may be worn at any time prior to uniformity being maintained. In practice this usually means NCO's only but in theory cadets can wear them.
Cadets most certainly are allowed to wear them the reference to the RAF Regt may be with regard to the RAF regt Clasp which obvoisly we cannot wear.
Also another point is they should not be worn with greens (except during Nijmegen where normal dress regs go out the window)
--Abjm 18:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stable belts

message: Does it say in any guideline or ACP or rules and regultions that any NCO or member of staff is allowed to swear at a cadet im just wondering because i see it a lot in all squadrons i have been in and i find it disgusting myself because most people join the Air Cadets because they want to learn things about military and gain life skills and if a child joins the ATC i honenstly doubt he/she would want to hear any verbal abuse or foul language and i think this subject should actually discussed in squadrons and by wing
09/6/06
:I remember a LOT of swearing by the NCOs from my time in cadets, not so much from the officers though and I don't remember an officer ever verbally abusing someone. Mind you, the NCOs themselves are mostly children too and I certainly heard a lot worse in the playground. --JamesTheNumberless 16:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question 

message: I have deleted the line "*Cadets may also purchase General Purpose (GP) jackets" from the Uniform section - cadets may not wear GP Jackets, they are not optional items such as stable belts.
:I think this must vary from squadron to squadron.  I have know squadrons that will give out GPJs to all cadets, but my own squadron restricted them to SNCOs. (alihaig)130.246.132.26 15:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GP jackets

message: I have moved the sentence about the ATC ensign that was at the very start of the article, to its own section, as it didnt make any sense where it was.  I have also expanded it slightly as the practice of hoisting the ensign on parade nights was not apparant in my area when I was a cadet.  If anyone has a picture or any more information it could do with some expansion. (alihaig)130.246.132.26 16:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ensign and images

message: Maybe a section on how to make your uniform look the correct standard would be a good idea. I'm a new cadet and am not good at it!
That is a possible idea however in my opinion that would not really be appropriate for an encyclopedia.  There are many unofficial ATC websites and forums which can provide you with that kind of advice. Or you could ask the Cadet NCOs on your squadron for advice. Rob 301 17:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Squadron links

message: Large chunks of this article seem to be copied word-for-word from Air Cadet Publication 31.  Is this considered acceptable?  An electronic version of the publication is available from http://192.5.30.122/aircadets/pdf/acp31sec1.pdf I think that perhaps it is acceptable because non-classified ACPs are Crown Copyright and therefore in the public domain, or does this article need rephrasing so that it is paraphrasing the ACPs rather than copying outright?Pastbury 22:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Cadet Publications

message: I think it is great that cadets are viewing this article and its associated discussion, but please remember this is NOT a discussion forum for matters to do with the organisation, its purpose is to discuss changes within the article. Please keep questions to do with Corps matters for other cadets/ncos/staff, or use the ATC forums.
thanks, Cpl Bishop --Lukebishop 14:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect use of this talk page

message: The image in this article claiming to be a Grob Viking winch-launched glider is in actual fact an ASW 19. If anyone has a correct image and the associated license, can they please change it? I would change it myself, but I do not have an image with the associated permissions required to upload it.
Thanks, Cpl Bishop --Lukebishop 14:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect image

message: Please could someone add some information about the role of a squadron Padre. I believe that the Padre holds the rank of Flight Lieutenant. Is this an honorary rank? Can / must a Padre wear a uniform? what tasks does the Padre typically undertake? Do any of these things vary depending on whether the Padre is ordained or lay?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.0.46 (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought they held the honourary rank of Sqn Ldr? 81.111.130.176 (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't have to hold any rank, do they? I thought they were just "padres"??? 83.67.49.20 (talk) 22:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Squadron Padre

message: This section seems to of been copied directly from a website advertising the Flying Scholarships. Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flying Scholarships

message: Officer cadets are not a commisioned rank? At least I didn't think they were, but they are listed in the article, perhaps someone else can confirm and change accordingly?81.111.130.176 (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they are not. Officer cadet is the rank someone holds until they have completed officer training, or in the case of the VR(T), the 2 weeks OIC (Officers Initial Course) at RAF Cranwell. Only then will they be commissioned into the air force and hold the rank of pilot officer. 83.67.49.20 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Officer Cadet

message: I have tidied up the uniform page so that there is a staff section and a cadet section, each with sub headings for each order of dress. It might be that it actually makes more sense to list the orders of dress with a 'Cadets' and 'Staff' sub heading to each, any thoughts? I have also removed references to No 2a uniform being called No 1 (it isn't!) although I have pointed out that it may be incorrectly referred to as such. I have also removed the comment that stable belts may be worn with permission - ACAI 204 makes no reference to anyone's permission being required for any of the optional items listed. Jellyfish dave (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform tidy up

message: Small points, but the correct titles, abbreviations and appointments are:
* Squadron Commander or Officer Commanding (OC), not Commanding Officer - CO is reserved for much larger formations than an ATC sqn
*(S)NCOs and WOs (ATC), not Adult NCOs/Adult Warrant Officers. Also, WOs (ATC) are not NCOs, they are a seperate category - when referring to NCOs and WOs it should be expressed as NCOs/WOs (ATC), NCOs (ATC) and WOs (ATC), etc.
Jellyfish dave (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles

message: This section does not make sense:
Quote: Membership
Junior Cadets
People aged 13 to 17 and three months, the official joining age, and those who are not yet enrolled, are given the title 'Junior Cadet' (formerly 'Probationer') as they can go along to most meetings to get a feel for the ATC, but cannot participate in most activities off squadron, such as flying or going on camps. They do not normally need to pay subscription fees, as they would not receive uniform.
 Cadets
Young people can join the ATC at any time between the ages of 13 and 16 and 9 months. 
According to this everybody who is 13 - 17 which is the bulk is a Junior cadet? Four years seems a long time to be a probationer?--Pandaplodder (talk) 11:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Membership

message: The Activities article is now very long at nearly 4,000 words and might benefit from its own article in much the same way as the uniform section. Any thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jellyfish dave (talk • contribs) 11:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is large enough to produce a new page from, but would it really satisfy wiki notability standards? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |  Sign 11:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any more comments on this section? Could it be cut down? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |  Sign 20:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Activities article split

message: :Why is the galley of images i the middle of the artcile. Seems an odd place to put it as the images dont relate to anything being talked about. Ziaix (talk) 13:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I'm afraid this is in the wrong section, its not a "Qualification award" merely merely a competitor medal, will be moved--Pandaplodder (talk) 11:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nijmegen Vierdaagse Marches medal

message: We are getting nit picking from people about ranks and membership, to be honest non of this is of interest in what should be an encyclopaedia entry about the ATC, if it can't be made readable without the constant poor editing then sections will be removed--Pandaplodder (talk) 20:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Once again

message: Would someone be able to confirm that the maroon lanyard is actually awarded for completion of the Junior leader's course, as I understood it to be awarded for completion of the Air Cadet Leadership Course. A separate, although similar sounding course.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.248.136.8 (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Junior Leaders course

message: I am starting to wonder whether some of the items on this article would be better split into separate articles - having just edited the uniform section I've noticed that there's enough information in there for a whole article.
Jellyfish dave (talk) 22:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a lot of stuff there and maybe it would be worthwhile to split the article. I have added a split section to the uniform section. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |  Sign 09:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added a split section notification to the activities section of this page. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |  Sign 16:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article split

message: The article Air Training Corps Activities needs a lot of work doing on it, it is badly referenced. Can someone start to do something with it because it won't survive as it presently stands. Pandaplodder (talk) 08:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Training Corps activities

message: The article List of Air Training Corps squadrons has been flagged up by MilborneOne as he is not sure that the article has any encyclopedic value I am sure it breaks a lot of guidelines about list for the sake of it. Would be better as an article about Air Training Corps squadrons which could give some background into the how they are organised, established and closed. It has no historic information at all. I tend to agree an list of place names won't survive much longer. What could help is perhaps Squadron crests and brief histories (such as formation and anything of note), if this isn't done then don't expect it to survive into 2011. Any thoughts. Pandaplodder
Nothing has been done so that article has been deleted, thanks for the input Pandaplodder (talk) 11:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Air Training Corps squadrons

message: References to the new branding of Royal Air Force Air Cadets should be considered for inclusion. I've started a new article for that particular name and updated the entry for Air Cadet Organisation but thought that someone with more history of editing this particular page should lead the edits to relect the change from the old to the new. If no one takes up the challenge I'll have a go myself in the next few weeks. Marky 12356 (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As it is a new branding of an existing structure it may have been better to move Air Cadet Organisation to the new name rather than start a new article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Royal Air Force Air Cadets

message: This article has wandered well away from a cited encyclopaedic article. Many sections are entirely unreferenced, and we require references to be added for all 'facts' stated in the article. As it stands it is well within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for all such uncited facts to be removed, something that would be understandable but regrettable. I appreciate the efforts folk have taken over the years to get the content right, but that work is wasted without correctly verified facts. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations are required

message: Hi, as an ATC unit historian writing from downunder, I can't help thinking Chamier would be disappointed to see the main Wiki ATC reference making so little acknowledgment of the co-founding of the ATC in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe a small addition is in order? Having said this I appreciate there is an ATC NZ page. 
On a related note, a literature serach shows only three other ATC unit histories i.e. one each from UK, Australia and New Zealand. Is it so that only one UK squadron history has been published from the 1009 squadrons in 70 years? Counterrev11 (talk) 08:52, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Dont have a problem with additions to history with a reliable source but note that individual cadet squadrons are never really notable for an article on wikipedia. MilborneOne (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: A wider ambit?

message: See my attempt on the disambiguation page of 'Space Cadet' to get a reference to an ATC member:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Space_Cadet_%28disambiguation%29
It's somewhat strange, I find it hard to find internet references for it, but that might be because I don't know where to look. I for myself can only assert that Space Cadet is (or at the very least used to be) the nickname for RAF cadets. I used to love the juxtaposition of me being a Space Cadet and my friend being a mere 'Sea' Cadet!. Shouldn't Wikipedia have this? Bluest Teddy (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only a slang term I suspect it is unlikely you would find anything in a reliable source. MilborneOne (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Space Cadets

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message: This needs renaming to Royal Air Force Air Cadets, with logo etc. Updated accordingly Ybrewos (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The Royal Air Force Air Cadets (RAFAC) and the Air Training Corps (ATC) are two separate organisations. The RAFAC is the parent organisation to the ATC and is also the parent to the RAF Contingent to the Combined Cadet Force (CCF). Harveywalker500 (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Omission on overseas camps. Malta. RAF Luqa up until mid 70s of not later. 82.41.50.33 (talk) 09:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer camps.