Talk:Reincarnation/Archive 2

message: Shouldnt this :  ""Past Lives" redirects here. For the 2002 Black Sabbath album, see Past Lives (album)." take the form of a standard disambiguation page?  I.e. redirect one type of past lives to black sabbath, the other here?
This looks really weird at the top.
:no, its the standard way to do things when there is one clearly dominant usage of a term.  i personally don't like it either, but its how things are supposed to be done.  --Heah (talk) 06:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: redirect

message: With the edition you have rejected as a "minority" I've added the new article Metempsychosis: Why? Because it is a concept different from reincarnation. I do not accept also metempsychosis as a valid theory and I regard it - while theory (and not as a possible rare  phenomenon) - as a misinterpretation, created by some "gurus", from Sacred writings. Nevertheless, as it is a concept (and not new), it deserves an explanation and understanding (not to be hidden/deleted/reverted). My words are from a "minority", yet, I suggest you do some research in online and paper encyclopedias, as an e.g.:
 
::Transmigration of souls or metempsychosis (mtm´´sk´ss) (KEY)  [Gr.,=change of soul], a belief common to many cultures, in which the soul passes from one body to another, either human, animal, or inanimate. (in The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.  2001-05)
::Reincarnation (r´´nkärn´shn) (KEY)  [Lat.,=taking on flesh again], occupation by the soul of a new body after the death of the former body. Beliefs vary as to whether the soul assumes the new body immediately or only after an interval of disembodiment. Although some religions teach that it may inhabit a higher or lower form of life, most believe that the soul is consistently reincarnated in the same species. See transmigration of souls (Idem).
BE CREATIVE, not destructive! Best regards, --212.113.164.104 00:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Your words...

message: The current version of the article claims that Sufism teaches reincarnation.  I think that demands at least a source.  To the best of my knowledge reincarnation is anathema to Islam. Luis Dantas 01:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if Islam embraces reincarnation or not.  I'd seriously doubt it though because in my studies I know Christianity and Judaism doesn't embrace it; and all three came down from Abraham. But this is merely me speculating on it. Best, --Bumpusmills1 04:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Islam/Sufism

message: I'm happy too see that this article touches base that Native Americans believe in reincarnation.  Being of American Indian blood myself I really appreciate anyone who includes my people's beliefs.  Wado (thank you in Cherokee), --Bumpusmills1 04:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really enjoy this Article 

message: There is a substantial portion of this article taken from this document (warning: Word document).  The text was placed there by User:158.143.169.8 (Contributions) on 27 November 2005.  Another portion of that document was added to the article Karma on that date as well, but that edit was reverted shortly afterwards.  I am deleting the portion of this article that is lifted from the aforementioned document, since few changes to that portion have been made since then.  --Dachannien 09:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

message: I notice that there are a few arguments missing in the "objections" section, otherwise worthy of further discussion. One of wich could be the following: if incarnation indeed is true, how does it account for the changing population numbers of each species, especially humans? The current population growth ratio is about 95 million/year new human "souls". Thousand years ago there were less than a billion people - where did the new "souls" come from? If reincarnation is not limited to a particular species, say if it is possible for any living thing with recognized consciousness to reincarnate into a human, then, there is still the dilemma of variable total count of conscious beings available (with many living species going extinct each year, for example).
If the soul can reincarnate into any type of animal, plant or human body on any planet in the universe (as described in the Bhagavad Gita), then I don't really think the above argument causes a problem. (Just think how many souls are existing right now as insects or bacteria - even in a small space of grass in field they are literally countless, what to speak of across the universe) It could be worth mentioning as an argument against souls only reincarnating in human bodies however? Best wishes, GourangaUK 19:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: The Japanese metaseries Sailor Moon exhibits the concept of reincarnation in a very interesting way. --User:Angie Y.
*I wouldn't say it's any more interesting than other anime storylines using reincarnation, and I'm saying this as a fan. Danny Lilithborne 09:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reincarnation in ''Sailor Moon''

message: GourangaUK commented that not everyone accepts these to be the oldest Hindu scriptures. Is there really any serious dispute over this? If so something should be added to the Vedas article. -- Chris Q 13:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Chris, I realise that generally the Rig Veda is taken as the oldest Vedic scripture by historians, but some modern practitioners of Dharmic religions and Hinduism specifically are of the belief that the Vedas were written down around the same time as each other by Vyasadeva (not as part of an evolutionary man-made process). It might be an interesting area to explore on the article... Best Wishes, GourangaUK 13:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vedas - Oldest Hindu Scriptures? 

message: While talking with a JW awhile ago, a topic had gotten brought up: The idea of reincarnation.  From what this guy was saying, the Christian Bible states that when we die, we remain "asleep" for swhile, until we are called on to take form again, or we may be called up unto Heaven to live there (I'll ask him for references next time I talk to him).  Just thought I'd point this out, though I have never seen any JW reference to this anywhere else. Slokunshialgo 04:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jehovah's Witnesses 

message: You've (83.84.186.232) defined the additions you've made to the scientific section as 'crucial' - can you clarify as to why? This article is enourmous so it is important to not simply continue to add content unless it is meaningful. Your additions provides examples of people who claim they were reincarnated and their personal evidence, etc, but that section already covers that. So how much of this is enough? There are many, many, many examples of people who claim and give evidence to have been reincarnated, but I don't think the article should be forced to have all of them. Why are your additions crucial and why can't they be summarised, considering the article is already bloated, and what is to stop others from continueing to add more to that section until it just gets even more ridiculous? You should also get a profile to facilitate discussion and feedback. MaxMangel 10:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please try to read paragraphs more carefully, I asked you multiple questions that you have summarily ignored. Sensible communication between us is impossible if you cannot understand the basics of answering questions. I'm now moving that text to the sub-article, which seems like a reasonable comprimise. Also, please try to ensure text and paragraphs are formatted properly in the future.  MaxMangel 05:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Given that the Reincarnation Research article is now referred to, I suggest that the Research and Debate section (and sub-sections) could be condensed into a new, smaller section simply called Scientific Research. At present, discussion of research by Bishai, in particular, adds little and should be deleted. Johnfos 00:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have now gone ahead and made these changes. Johnfos 11:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific and other research into reincarnation 

message: To the editors of the reincarnation article:  A frequent contributor to the Hinduism article, Swadhyayee, posted the following paragraphs on the Hinduism article.  I have removed them becasue they could be written more clearly, and because they were somewhat redundant and add too much detail to what was already on Hinduism page regarding reincarnation.  I don't disagree with the content of what he wrote, but I think the language needs some polishing.  If anybody who is working on this page would like to help him polish it and post it on the reincarnation page, I'm sure he would appreciate it. Thanks. HeBhagawan 13:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Swadhyayee edits from Hinduism