Talk:Charudes

message: "Whether the Horder arrived in Norway in more remote prehistoric times or intruded there in the age of Germanic migrations, the name goes on to acquire a conspicuous pedigree. As an ethnic name it changes to Hardingar, which also becomes a family name, Harding. In the 9th century, King Harding rules over the independent kingdom of Hardanger. Vikings depart from there to the Danelaw in Anglo-Saxon Britain via Scotland. Their Anglo-Saxon name is Heardingas. From Hardanger they also sail to Iceland, where they became the Haddings. In German mythology, the name is Hartung. And finally, the name comes into the modern English-speaking world as Harding."
I believe the whole section above is out of place without citations.  Slight resemblance between names does not mean they share a common background.St12357 (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not they are the Charudes, the Hörðar whose name is preserved in 'Hordaland' probably get their name from Proto-Germanic *haruðo:z, which has been etymologized as 'warriors, heroes'; this is from Jørn Sandnes & Ola Stemshaug, Norsk Stadnamnleksikon, 4th edn., Det Norske Samlaget, Oslo, 1997, s.n. Hordaland, citing C.J.S. Marstrander, Rosselandsteinen (Universitetet i Bergen. Årbok. Hist.-ant. rekke, Nr. 3, 1952), Bergen 1951, s. 41-42.  The Etymology section of the article offers another reasonable possibility, possibly supported by more recent research.  Sandnes & Stemshaug s.n. Hardanger say that O. Rygh, M. Olsen, A. Noreen, O. Skulerud, and V. Jansson derived 'Hardanger' from the same source, the failure of u-umlaut being explained by early transfer of the stress to the second element (Old Norse -angr 'bay, fjord'), but that more recently P. Hovda (Maal og Minne 1955, pp. 126-30) has rejected this explanation and derived the first element of the place-name from ON harðr 'hard', a derivation accepted by Ø. Frøysadal (Namn og nemne 1992-93, pp. 41-43).  At best, therefore, a connection between the first elements of 'Hordaland' and 'Hardanger' is unproven.  In Old Icelandic the people of Hardanger (OIc Harðangr) were Harðengir (Cleasby & Vigfusson, Icelandic-English Dictionary s.v. harðr), not Hardingar or Harðingar.  The Haddings are OIc Haddingjar, a name related to OIc haddr 'long hair (of a woman)'; this is from PGmc. *hazdaz and hence not related to *haruðo:z or to the 'hard' word (< PGmc. *harðu-).  I've therefore deleted the whole paragraph.Talan Gwynek (talk) 01:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nice one. St12357 (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I have rewritten the intro and most of the section based on Bellum Gallicum and the Res Gestae. I did not touch the rest of the article, although I find its rather unencyclopaedic style unfortunate. What is more critical, however, is the complete lack of references / sources for the following two sections. They reek well of WP:OR and need the work of someone who at least can get their hands on a copy of the RGA or on some Scandinavian local history. Trigaranus (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro and BG / RG 

message: THe lead says:
:on the east coast of the Cimbrian peninsula (see Hardsyssel)
However, the Cimbrian peninsula is what today is called Jutland, and Hardsyssel is/was on the West coast of Jutland. Which is it? Nø (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  East or West Jutland?