Talk:Broad Run High School/Archive 1

message: Interesting issue: who is Broad Run's rival now. It used to be Stone Bridge when it first opened, and SBHS is still listed in the Infobox as a rival and the Rivalries section focuses exclusively on SBHS. However, this year Broad Run barely competes with Stone Bridge in any sport. I question whether this info is still applicable.
Of course that raises the question of just who is BRHS's rival. ??????
Jim Dunning 17:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: School Rival

message: Broad Run's rival is still Stone Bridge despite their move to AAA, and Stone Bridge will remain there until at least 2009, but probably indefinitely since they are doing really well in the Northern Region.  BR and SB don't play each other in football which may be the reason why many think the rivalry is gone.  The reason why SB won't play BR or any AA school is because of the power points system the VHSL uses, not because of BR's "not so great" program.  This points system gives more points to wins over AAA schools than AA's, etc.  This is how Park View got to the playoffs last year though their record was worse than Heritage's as the Patriots played Valley and Herndon, while Heritage played single A schools out in West Virginia like the rest of the Loudoun AA schools who are either too scared to play AAA schools nearby, or AAA schools who don't want to lose power points by playing Loudoun schools.  My guess is both.  Valley still plays County and PV as non district opponents, Stone Bridge could too, but the Vikings are playing them at their risk; if their district record isn't like last year's they may be snubbed.  Given SB's reputation in football, they will not play any AA's which basically alienates them from all the Loudoun schools now except Valley, but this will ultimately help them get a better seed in the playoffs.  
Anyway, in almost every other sport that I know of, BR and SB will play each other at least once; it was that way last year so they still are rivals, and will always be so.  Before SB opened, BR's primary rival was Park View, especially when there were only four Loudoun County high schools.  This rivalry is starting to come back because Dominion and Potomac Falls are very close to each other on the north side of Route 7 (PV is south); and also Stone Bridge is AAA too.
20176 07:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Answer to BRHS' Rival

message: I've put together a new format for the LCPS summary box that can be placed at the end of each LCPS school article. It's also been updated to include all current schools. Comments and suggestions are welcome. See the example below —
Jim Dunning 16:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposing an updated & new format for summary box

message: The  tag has been removed since this no longer is a major issue.    Jim Dunning 02:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed missing citations tag 

message: I tightened up the copy for the Band section. In the process I decided to remove the Nederynen murder part (although Eric was a band member, this story is not encyclopedic and relevant to the band only). We could argue that it could be included somewhere in the article since the tragedy affected the whole school, but then we are faced with the question of whether or not to include other tragedies affecting BRHS as a whole (car accidents, shootings, suicides, even the DC Sniper). But then we would have to show how these events affect BR differently or more uniquely than other high schools.
Also, the Jeffrey Kelley incident has been made more concise. At first blush it could be grouped with  the other incidents described above and removed completely, but the relatively high turnover of band directors is relevant to the article. I did remove, however, the first-hand information that can't be verified independently (remember: verifiability is not the same as truth; I'm not questioning the verisimilitude of the information). I'm not questioning the contributor's information. We had some discussion on this earlier this year, but since then I've had opportunity to become more familiar with Wikipedia's style and guidelines. Thus, I think the "original research" needs removal.
—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 15:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band section revamp 

message: I removed the statement, "and have sent several players to Division I and II colleges" since it lacks a citation to support it and its contributor 64.236.128.14 is an anonymous user with a specious history. If this information is true, however, it'd be nice to replace it. Anyone have a source?
—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 18:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some LCPS news releases might have stories on players signing letters of intent to play for these schools. I can't remember how far back the archive goes on the main web site, but that would be a good place to check. I can think of one player in particular (Jenny Clohan). She plays softball at James Madison University, which competes in Division I. See the softball roster here. It doesn't involve football players, but other sports that have had better runs at Broad Run do seem to have sent players to Division I colleges. -- Johnny06man 20:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Found a news release on the LCPS site for a basketball player going to a Division II school . Also a lacrosse player going to a Division I school . -- Johnny06man 20:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! This helps immensely!  —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 04:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Athletes @ Division I and/or II? 

message: This is an excellent article.  It is well-written, well-sourced, tight on-topic, appropriate length (and detail), and should be nominated for FA.  Having reviewed many articles, I am quite impressed with this one.  A few thoughts:
*Full dates should be written like this January 6, 2007  Readers can then set their preferences to see the dates in the format that they are most comfortable with.
*Most of the time photographs and graphics should be inserted like this:  .  If the author does not specify the number of pixels, then the reader's default value is used for thumnails.  Users with 21" screens likely prefer larger thumbs than users with 14" screens.  By specifying, all users see the same size.
*Numerical ranges should use a – instead of a -.   (See ndash)
*The article is inconsistent with respect to commas preceding the word "and" prior to the last of a series of items. (I didn't attempt to fix this one.)
*The article could use some photographs around campus.  Surely there are photogenic spots.  Maybe a photo of the marching band or color guard, or a cover of the literary magazine could be obtained. good luck and happy editing! Appraiser 16:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: The numerous  are valid, but I worry it messes up the page. How about this: remove them from the article, but list each needed citations here and strike them as we tackle them? Then we have a to-do list to work from.
=== Missing citations ===
Strike them off as they're reffed.
*in 1976 a portion of the Sterling student body was moved to Park View High School
*As the Ashburn area grew considerably, additional students shifted to Potomac Falls High School in 1997
*Stone Bridge High School opened in 2000, which split the Ashburn student body into two different high schools
*Broad Run gave the remainder of its Sterling student population to Potomac Falls after Dominion High School opened in 2003 and shifted students in Brambleton to Stone Bridge
*In 2005, Broad Run split off its South Riding students to Freedom High School
*Campus items -- I got part of it. -- Johnny06man 18:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have them. I'll check them tomorrow. —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 03:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, they do seem excessive, but I would rather err on the side of caution. And as you said, some of the citations should apply to the whole paragraph. Maybe for this we should just leave the ref tag at the end of the paragraph? As for removing the tags from the article, it would increase the readability, but we shouldn't try to hide that they are not sourced. This just encourages us to find more sources quicker :) We can still check stuff off here to keep a better record. -- Johnny06man 03:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Current boundary maps can be found here. Individual communities are listed on the maps. I will look to see if I can historical maps showing previous boundaries. -- Johnny06man 04:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed citations 

message: Strike them off as they're reffed.
*in 1976 a portion of the Sterling student body was moved to Park View High School
*As the Ashburn area grew considerably, additional students shifted to Potomac Falls High School in 1997
*Stone Bridge High School opened in 2000, which split the Ashburn student body into two different high schools
*Broad Run gave the remainder of its Sterling student population to Potomac Falls after Dominion High School opened in 2003 and shifted students in Brambleton to Stone Bridge
*In 2005, Broad Run split off its South Riding students to Freedom High School
*Campus items -- I got part of it. -- Johnny06man 18:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have them. I'll check them tomorrow. —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 03:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, they do seem excessive, but I would rather err on the side of caution. And as you said, some of the citations should apply to the whole paragraph. Maybe for this we should just leave the ref tag at the end of the paragraph? As for removing the tags from the article, it would increase the readability, but we shouldn't try to hide that they are not sourced. This just encourages us to find more sources quicker :) We can still check stuff off here to keep a better record. -- Johnny06man 03:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Current boundary maps can be found here. Individual communities are listed on the maps. I will look to see if I can historical maps showing previous boundaries. -- Johnny06man 04:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing citations 

message: This article is basically going over the statistics and general facts about the school, which is good and classic of Wikipedia entries, but the atmosphere and what actually goes on in school is a huge part of the high school.  Therefore, I would like to nominate a section about the atmosphere/culture/views of students be added.   While the page List of High School Subcultures has gained alot of scrutiny, I believe that the BRHS page could pull it off.   Of course, I wouldn't put it in yet, as I'd really like to make sure it's well-written and as non-biased as possible.   (ie, writing from a NPOV, which is hard for a high school article) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.86.44.23 (talk) 23:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atmosphere 

message: A sub-page for this article has been established at Historical and statistical detail for Broad Run High School. This provides the opportunity to add significantly more historical and statistical data for researchers without over-lengthening or overwhelming the main article.
—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 06:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detail sub-page 

message: I think we can use the Spartan logo in the Infobox. We should be safe, falling into the specification that it's a low-resolution logo of an organization . . . protected by copyright and/or trademark." "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of logos to illustrate the organization . . . in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law."
Waddya say? Can we put it back?
—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 00:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We probably can, as you said. But if the article were to become a featured article and ever shown on the main page, the main page can only use free images. It makes more sense to make the primary picture something that is free and does not have the fair use conditions attached. I have no problem putting the logo back in, but I dislike having an image in part of the introduction. IMO, it makes it look crammed into the space, and we can put it in other places in the article that need images in the sections. BTW, really great work on all the history and statistical data! It definitely adds to the article. If we can get the rest of the cites needed, I will put the article up for peer review, and barring any major issues, nominate it for FA status. -- Johnny06man 02:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, I was wondering where you got all the yearbooks. From the school library (I would think they have an archive of them)? -- Johnny06man 02:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spartan logo fair use 

message: Substituted at 14:26, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment