Talk:Big L

message: The section about his death has no source what so ever which kind of makes people wonder about the credibility of this article.Please fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartianH (talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have used a reverted version of the Death section but I also added some references.—Michael Jester (talk) 03:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Death?

message: For quite some time there has been a street mural of his album cover, right on the street he spent most of his life on and mentioned in his songs. It's partially obscured here on google street view but there are plenty of photographs of it. Perhaps a thumbnail image of it+ caption could be included on the page if a legal photo can be found? Please help if this falls within policy. 
:Street view of mural: Street View
:Photo: Photo
_ morde t .. 13:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mural

message: Big L is not, was not, and should not ever be considered anywhere near what really is 'underground hip-hop', so don't put it there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.155.164 (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Underground' is a label easily applicable to the commercial success of the artist regardless of their content, so in a way he could be considered such. He never received the popularity that some other battle/mafioso/gangster rappers received, for example Notorious B.I.G or Mobb Deep.  _ morde t .. 13:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: im the one that put up the lyrical dedications 
Plz stop deleting that part, it took me a while to gather it all, RIP Big L" - thaoutlawz-69
If you add them again, they will continue to get deleted. Like stated below, it is not appropriate for an encyclopedia entry. If you want to make that information available to the world, send to a fansite, or create your own on Geocities or something. --Revaaron (talk) 01:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that permission is required. Isn't the use of extracts for education and criticism exempt from copyright restrictions? Tim Ivorson 20:05, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, fair use does cover that but I was not sure if this was the entire lyric and I could not find any attribution. Glad you waded in, this subject is totally outside of my realm of musical knowledge or interest. (Wrong generation - I am still a big fan of Little Richard.) MPLX/MH 21:29, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: It says "On the evening of November 14, 2006 Big L was shot..."  Which is obviously wrong, but when I tried to edit the page it had the correct date on there.
84.70.15.127 22:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. --Zimbabweed 22:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death 

message: why is that in the article? this is an encyclopedic entry, not a memorial. while big l may have been an inspiration, saying that has no place in an article like this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.165.176 (talk) 19:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  R.I.P. Big L, you were a big inspiration to hip hop music 

message: Can someone clean this section up? On one hand it says that his murder remains unsolved, yet then it says someone was found guilty and got 38 years. This is very unclear. I would think there should be online references somewhere. Bill shannon 22:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details of Big L's Murder 

message: There's still a lot of confusion about this section. There are not any sources on this, and the theory posted right now, how he angered a gang in NY with his Ebonics song (I'm assuming), is the first I've ever heard of it. Nothing I read about his death seems to be consistent, because I've read a bunch of different things, like one, his brother shot him out of jealousy, and two, that his brother was in debt to a gang who ended up killing L accidentally. I've read that the investigation was unsolved, but I've also read that the guy WAS caught. I've tried looking for sources before to figure out what really happened, but there's way too many inconsistencies. I think the section should instead say that there is more confusion about the circumstances of his death than there is certainty, because it seems like people would rather edit the section and write in their own personal, uncited theory. Sycotherejekt (talk) 06:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still messed up 

message: This list, aside from being badly formatted, isn't suitable for an encyclopædia article; it would be fine for a fansite or the like.  Please stop adding it. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 13:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And they keep re-adding it to this day. Angrymansr (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dedications" 

message: I added this to the WikiHipHopProject so it can hopefully get to featured 
status one day.DMaurice 18:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added to WikiHipHopProject 

message: Support Big L, Stop removing the link to his official website! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139nLenox (talk • contribs) 00:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, Wikipedia isn't about supporting anyone or anything.  Secondly, though, the problem with the link is that it's to a site that isn't yet up... You have tried clicking on "Enter" haven't you?  It leads to a non-existent page. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 09:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The content is up and nowhere does it claim to be Big L's official website. It says it is a "Big L related site" and claims to be the "Official Big L Community", whatever that means. Angrymansr (talk) 20:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BigLOnline.com - Official Website 

message: Could we get a rating on the article so I will know where to start? Thanks DMaurice 15:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting a Rating(wikiprojecthiphop) 

message: Peoples in Harlem wouldn't consider 2pac a king.  Most likely, the 2 kings he was referring to was Nas and Biggie.
71.126.248.177 (talk) 00:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd King 

message: A whole lot a POV in this article. A few samples:
"his critically acclaimed debut album"
"kept perfecting his craft"
"fast approaching the line that divides pastime and profession"
"gave insight into fabled Harlem shootouts and legendary Harlem street life"
"some of the best New York producers, deejays, and emcees on the mic, members came from several boroughs bringing to life the true sounds of New York hip-hop"
"Astoundingly, all it took was"
"and of course"
"released worldwide at the summer of 2000 to critical acclaim"
"exemplifies the gritty, punchline heavy battle raps"
"Big L is the logical progression"
"seemed poised to conquer mainstream rap"
Etc.
There are also a lot of unsourced facts and possibly some copyright vios.
Anyone else want to clean some of this up before I start trimming it down? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV problems

message: This section is terrible there was a good one with sources a few months back maybe even '09, it had all the information about exactly how and where L was murdered (even the address of the building he was shot outside) and it had information concerning Gerard Woodley, and Big Lee's murder in 2000 which this article now erroneously dates as 2002.  I don't know how to check page histories but I've seen them and this one should be reverted, if only because there are no sources, but seriously the quality is crap too. Also some of the "source" links just go to random websites without anything to do with Big L.24.78.195.134 (talk) 02:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed same. This section, with varying details, has repeatedly popped up. As soon as we can source it, we can keep it. Until then, it isn't verifiable and doesn't belong here. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Seems someone got into this one, we need this edited.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockybaltimore (talk • contribs) 19:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  D-Berg and J-Berg 

message: I think someone should include some info about the murder of Big L's older brother "Big Lee" who was in prison at the time of his death. There tombstone has both of their names and they are both buried together in a Harlem cemetery.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.105.24 (talk) 03:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lamont (99) Big Lee (03) 

message: Big L was known for his dark lyrics and said that he was going to hell and that he worshipped Satan in the songs "Danger Zone" and "Devil's Son". People have told me that he was either a satanist or an atheist. Is this true, or were his dark lyrics just an act? I would like to know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.37.139 (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion? 

message: The Return of the Devil's Son? More details/proof neccicary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.210.177 (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album? 

message: Some mod can help, right? I can only assume there's a way to retrieve the old one. I would use a web translater, but the original phrasing would be best.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.22.10 (talk) 11:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The paragraph on death has been vandalised. 

message: Removed the link to the Woodley page as it is irrelevant. It is a link towards a region/city in England, while the context of the quote implies Woodley is a person.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.67.41.130 (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woodley 

message: Bloodshed's death is incorrectly listed as April 1996. Even though it's linked from an 1999 Village Voice article,it's wrong and misleading. Bloodshed actually died March 2 1997. Bxdale83  —Preceding undated comment added 03:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloodshed 

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