Talk:Philippines/Archive 1

message: I reverted the changes which decreased the estimate of the native Malay population from 95% down to 80%, and the suggestion that 20% of Filipinos are mestizos. [The estimates stating 95% of the population being native Filipino are agreed upon the Filipino government, the latest Filipino census, and can be found quoted on the pages of Filipino embassy and consulate websites.]
Not only is 20% a gigantic overestimation of Filipino mestizos, but it is also historically impossible. There just weren’t enough Spaniards to have created such an immense proportion of past or present Filipinos to be mestizo.
Off all the Spanish colonies, the Philippines had the tiniest number of Spaniards, both in real numbers and as a percentage. And of these Spaniards, only a few fathered offspring in the Philippines, and of those that did father mestizos most were friars or priests.
Large-scale immigration of Spaniards, as happened in Latin America, never occurred in the Philippines. Historical evidence in Spain indicates that Spanish migrants to the Americas almost drained the entire population of Extremadura, as well as significant numbers from other regions. This never happened for the Philippines. The few that did go to the Philippines weren’t Spanish, they were mostly Mexicans, who themselves later returned to Mexico.
Added to this, native Filipinos didn’t die in the millions of introduced diseases. Native Americans had no immunities for Old World diseases, and in some areas 90% of the original populations died withing the first few years of conquest. Filipinos didn’t experience this holocaust because they are located in Asia, one of the three Old World continents, they had these diseases and the immunities to combat them.
The suggestion that the original small population of Filipino mestizos eventually mixed back into the native population, endowing every modern Filipino  (or even 20% of Filipinos) with an extremely diluted amount of Spanish blood and ancesrty, is a fanaticized hypothesis.
Spanish mestizos in the Philippines were a very small and privileged minority, never surpassing more than 1% of the population at any given period. Because of the high status these half-breed-Spaniards held they were extremely endogamous, never again mixing back with natives. They thought of themselves as a separate class and ethnicity. The idea that they melded back into the native majority to make "mestizos" out of every living Filipino would suggest that they went against everything that they were taught. Mixing back with a native would "taint" the mestizo with more Malay blood than he “unfortunately” already had. Why - when the ideal for the mestizo was to have (and aspire for subsequent offspring and descendants to have) as little native ancestry as possible - would they then marry back into the native population? Answer; Filipino mestizos didn’t.
If anything, the argument could work for Latin America. Mestizos in Latin America were a growing majority, while unmixed Spaniards were a healthy large minority. So there was nothing special about the mestizos there, they had no special status, and the idealization of the Latin American wasn’t to be a mestizo - because most were this - it was to be a Spaniard. So it wasn't uncommon for Latin American mestizos to marry back into native communities; here it could be said that some Amerindians might have Spanish ancestry through an absorbed mestizo ancestor, but not in the case of the Philippines.
But anyway, the existance or not of Spanish genes among "pure Native Americans" isn't the topic.
To this day in the Philippines, because almost everyone is native (95%), the ideal is to be mestizo, and most Filipinos will falsely claim to be so, even citing the "mestiza great-great-grand-mother" or Spanish "great-great-grand-father", with no evidence other than a Spanish surname [and let's not even start with how Filipinos acquired Spanish surnames]. In Latin America, apart from the relatively large unmixed European population (aprox. 30%), the great majority are mixed-bloods (mestizos and mulattos combined, aprox. 50%) and becasue of this, the ideal is to be unmixed Spanish. So in Latin America's case, many of the mixed-bloods will falsley claim to be pure Spanish. This is called colonial mentality. Al-Andalus 03:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: DEMOGRAPHICS

message: Other entries, like History of the Philippines, link to Baybayin.  The main Philippines entry should, also.  The entry for Baybayin begins:
Baybayin or Alibata is a pre-Hispanic Tagalog writing system that originated from the Javanese script Kavi. The writing system was believed to be in use as early as the 14th Century and was still in use during the Spanish colonization of the Philippine Islands. The term baybayin literally means spelling. Closely related scripts are Hanunóo, Buhid, and Tagbanwa.
-- just wanted to add my username to this entry --  iiams
 
:Welcome iiams!! Maayong pagdating. (Actually filipinos say kamusta- how are you? , etc..). I'm puting these on my to do list.--Jondel 00:33, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't the Philippines entry link to Baybayin? 

message: How can the writer be so sure that socialist policies are the reason of the undevelopment? I don't exactlıy know the history of the country but I really wonder the reasons.
:Pls feel free to edit based on factual info. Feel free to demand the reasons or basis and delete if not complied with.--Jondel 11:30, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialism 

message: Will be reorganized, reintegrated under the approp. subheadings:
Nobel prizes, achievements, etc.:
Filipinos are peaceful people - Lovers of liberty and equality.  However, when provoked Filipinos can show their steadfast vigilance for these by massive protests and civil disobedience.  Two non-violent protests have already ousted two corrupt presidents.  The first of the "People Power" revolutions was in 1986, this successful revolution gave strength to many peoples in different countries under corrupt and immoral regimes to rise up in People Power.  In February 25, 2001, the  Nobel Peace Prize Laureates Foundation (Nobel Peace Foundation) awarded the Philippines for their “wonderful gift of the spirit . . . to the world” in the form of People Power II.
The Filipinos are a creative and intelligent people.  Their nation had the first national airline in all of Asia - Philippine Airlines.  The inventive Filipinos also created the Yo-yo (native hunting device), and the Karaoke (Robert del Rosario.  The first Asian to have entered Harvard nd to whom credit is given for her studies that lead to the incubator is no other than a Filipino woman - Fel del Mundo.  Filipino designer Eduardo San Juan designed the Lunar Rover or more popularly known as 'moon bugger' used in Apollo landings.  The American drug giant Eli Lilly has to thank its billions of american dollar profits to a Filipino scientist Dr. Abelardo Aguilar, who discovered  Erythromycin.  However, he was never paid royalties for his discovery since lab reports he sent to the drug giant were never returned and the company registered it as its own.  The Filipino labor force contributes significant if not the major workforce in household helpers, nurses, and sailors.
--Jondel 11:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Last two paragraphs very POV 
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message: "Throughout Filipino history, no distinct national cultural identity was shaped". I don't know how true that is... I mean, yeah, the Philippines has been somewhat culturally disjointed through its history, but it's too bold to say outright that there was never and national cultural identity. Today you'd have to admit that Filipinos have at least some national identity. TheCoffee 21:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Identity 

message: The article title suggests the former, the usage in the article suggests the latter. Which is correct? Thryduulf 09:43, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Philippines (with one l) .   Long formal name is Republic of the Philippines. See also cia website :http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/rp.html --Jondel 10:20, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Phillippines'' or ''The Phillippines'' 

message: what was the original name of the philipines before the spanish arrived.?
:Magellan named it something like San Lazaro at first. I heard that it should have been Maharlika and the former President Marcos wanted to change it to Maharlika. There were many tribes and regions, each speaking their own language; Ilocanos, Cebuanos, Tagalogs etc.--Jondel 00:05, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  original name 

message: There's a lot of links in the External links section - I believe we should edit the list, according to the guidelines in Wikipedia:External links. I believe we should keep some of the links directly related to the article - including most of the official sites and keep 3-5 major links in the other categories. Below is the list of links - the ones that say keep, I believe we should keep. I have also suggested some links to be moved to pages that are more closely related to the topic of the website. Reply with your thoughts. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:51, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I trimmed down the links. I didn't follow the above plan to the letter, but the links are now down to a good size now. Compare article versions if you want. --Jtalledo (talk) 07:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing External links 

message: Anyone familiar with this university, please offer your opinions at Talk:University of Santo Tomas, regarding a long slow-motion edit war. -- Curps 00:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[University of Santo Tomas]] 

message: There have been vandalisms in both the Spanish and English Wikipedia especially on the Philippines pages insisting that Spanish is an official or a spoken language there. This is a delusion. Unless you consider Chavacano a Spanish language, and about 2000 (?) individuals, we filipinos know it is not.--Jondel 01:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now someone has added a "Cultural language" category to the infobox just to put the Spanish language. Is this really necessary? I don't believe many other articles on countries here have that in their infoboxes. --Jtalledo (talk) 04:36, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Some kind of special mention or recogntion might be good. Please see Spanish in the Philippines. --Jondel 05:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish in the Philippines

message: There seems to be a little edit war going on regarding the title of one of the headings. Someone keeps changing it from "The U.S. Connection" to "The U.S. Intervention". Heck, someone even changed it to "The U.S. Invasion". The "Invasion" word seems very POV and suspect in its possible justification, but what about "Intervention"? Is it POV? Which is the more accurate title for the section? --Jtalledo (talk) 14:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. Connection or Intervention? 

message: Spanish(or Tagalog or English or Cebuano) is OK but there is regional social peer pressure to not speak a non-native language.  
*Language is a problem in the Philippines. (We do need a unifying language)
*Many don't speak English or Tagalog (consider Cebuanos, Ilocanos, etc.) at home. (Tagalogs of course speak Tagalog)
*Filipinos have no Unifying language
*There is a feeling that Tagalog should be the national language. However, Cebuanos, Ilocanos and other regional speakers refuse to speak Tagalog at home (of course with other regional speakers they speak Tagalog and English as the lingua franca). This is one reason why Quezon and his committee named the language Filipino/Pilipino and not Tagalog - for fear of repercussions from other regional speakers, especially the Cebuanos.
*There is regional peer social pressure to not speak a non-native language; e.g. English and Spanish are considered the language of the rich or elitist. English is used in formal situations. There is an atmosphere of formality or academia, etc., when it is spoken.
*English is too embedded as the language of education and government; e.g. try to convince a medical student to study Medicine in Filipino or calculus in Filipino/Tagalog/Cebuano and see what happens. In general people read and write in English but speak Tagalog or the regional language.
*Most Filipinos may not know this but we have around 13 million Spanish manuscripts in the Philippine historical archives. Some of the land titles are still in Spanish. People around 55 years old and above have birth certificates written in both English and Spanish.
*Living in Japan where there are many foreigners speaking different languages, I realize that there are too many language hang-ups in Filipino society. For me it really doesn't matter what language you speak (I like languages). Not having a unified common language presents problems. Not being able to express emotions, etc., or the feeling of awkwardness, or being misunderstood is a big problem. If a battered Bisaya wife presents her problems in a court of law in Manila (where Tagalog is spoken but English is used), she may fear being laughed at because her regional ('probinsya') accent comes out, complicating matters more. There is an outsider mentality which non-native speakers vividly feel.  There was a Malaysian student at my University who looked like a Filipino. He was scolded for talking in English and not Tagalog; the librarian accused him of being elitist ('ang yabang mo', ek ek). He explained that he was Malaysian and not Filipino and could speak only in English and Malaysian. There are many similar cases like this.  --Jondel 00:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: No unifying language problem

message: • Total
300,000 km2 (120,000 sq mi) (72rd)
It should probably say 72nd.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.190.67.21 (talk) 07:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Already corrected - thanks for the suggestion! BushelCandle (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo on the Area section of the infobox 

message: Please add this  to the page ClueBotNg (talk) 15:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2017 

message: Context should be shown that Philippine-war was preceded by the Spanish-american war. America  Liberated Philippines from 300 years of Spanish rule, the Spaniards fueled a guerilla war against America. America restructured Philippines over a generation into a democracy and fought off the Japanese occupation. then let the country go. obviously America kept their military bases for obvious reasons. context should be added, my grandpa fought in the Philippines and a lot of his buddies died there. now they have freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:e000:fb89:7800:f593:261f:8032:deaa (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Please note that Wikipedia does not publish original research, so you'll need to cite reliable sources for any specific addition or change you're proposing. RivertorchFIREWATER 03:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: 23 of May 2017 while the importance of being able to see the terrorist attacks to happen this brutal siege that has comprise of the Philippine government against the ISIS insurgency in the Visayas region of the Philippines Brutal long siege in recent conflicts that has happened in the region has finally subsided as the ISIS insurgence had lost eventually in this long hard fought brutal siege that should not be forgotten as part of the modern contemporary military history of the Philippines. 
Casualties: Philippines 168 KIA and 1,400+ wounded ISIS 978 killed 12 captured 
Total strength Philippines: 3,000 in June 6,500 by June
ISIS: 1,000 militants @https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Marawi 2600:4040:A4DB:A600:8059:2428:93E0:3FD6 (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marawi Conflict