Talk:National Hockey Association

message: I don't know anything about the NHA, but on first read there seems to be something wrong, because the league is listed as starting in January 1910, but five or six of the teams are listed as being in the league starting in 1909.  At first glance, it appears that:
* the league actually started in 1909,
* those teams didn't start until 1910, or
* something else has happened which should probably be explained somewhere in the entry,
because it doesn't seem to make total sense currently. - Cafemusique 10:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: After researching, I'm going to change the league to starting in 1909, based on http://www.oilersheritage.com/history/early_leagues_NHA.html - Cafemusique 10:27, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: I've gotten split info about the Canadiens and Haileybury.
If you check http://www.ottawavalleyonline.com/sites/tomking_01/nhasearch.html
the 1909 Canadiens and 1910 Canadiens seem alot alike. 
Why would it say the 1909 Canadiens went Toronto, and the 1909 Haileybury team turned into the 1910 Canadiens?
: Because not everyone who puts up a website is a hockey historian, let alone research the available sources, and most people erroneously assume that the "Les Canadiens" of 1909 are the Montreal Canadiens of today.  Charles Coleman documented the deal many years ago.  Ravenswing 05:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Vigneault is certainly a respected fellow SIHR member and historian, but this sounds like a general article that's been excerpted.  In any event, Coleman asserted that the Club Antique-Canadien (not "Athlétique Canadien") was awarded the newly-dormant Haileybury franchise in the first volume of Trail of the Stanley Cup, where you can find it if you have a copy available, though from work I can't get you a page ref.  If anyone has access to the pertinent Montreal newspapers in 1910 -- and possibly the Boston Public Library has microfilm copies -- perhaps there can be independent verification.  Is there an actual reference for that passage attributed to Vigneault?  Ravenswing 20:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadiens history 

message: I wasn't around for the NHA in 1909, but I really doubt its logo was the same as the old NHL shield with "NHA" instead.  Does anyone have a newspaper clipping or a book showing this logo used?  Until then, this creation really does not belong on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.109.52.80 (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sportslogo.net people claim it is the logo of the organization. The NHL basically kept everything from the NHA days, so I would not be surprised if they just modified the A to the L. Alaney2k (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would be very interested to see sportslogo.net's evidence for this.  The NHL didn't, in fact, keep meticulous records from the NHA (witness how much Charles Coleman had to reconstruct from newspapers) and I've never before seen or heard any reference to a NHA logo.    Ravenswing  14:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definitely not well-documented. I was at the Hockey Hall of Fame on Saturday, and the O'Brien Cup is displayed with a photo of Renfrew Millionaires and a share book of the NHA Limited (open to Percy Quinn's shares) in community/pre-NHL leagues. That is all I saw of the NHA period on display. I don't know if the HHOF is much interested in the period because there is a real divide between how much the NHL dominates the HHOF and everything else. The NHL trophies are on display in the main room, and all the other trophies in separate small exhibits on the lower floor. I'll post the question of the NHA logo to the SIHR mailing list. Alaney2k (talk) 15:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NHA Logo?