Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy Tactics

message: I have added a newly created template to Ramza's entry on this list.  Comments, anyone?  Does it need any changes, additions, etc.?  Should we keep it? Roy Al Blue 21:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the idea of a template is worth it to be honest. It seems a bit pointless and simple adds to article weight. Oh and this article is quite a lot of prose without any quality to it. Maybe I should add this to the WPFF Todo... — CuaHLe 21:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template Test 

message: I've attempted to edit for NPOV and accuracy, using script from the game as reference.  I've also played through the game 2 or 3 times.  So I have personal familiarity with the story as well.
Anyone who wants to double check the accuracy of my edits or any of the other content in this article can check this link [] to piece together the plot.  
The summary of Ramza's role in the story is still summarized poorly in some places, though that is understandable given the breadth of that story.  I'll keep picking at it here and there.
I have not had time to look at the rest of the character sections in detail but Delita's needs editing too.  Things like, "Delita holds of the unfortunate maxim that the ends justify the means," are awkward wording.
Also, the summary that "He intends on letting his best friend, Ramza and his friends live so that they can destroy the Church's new Zodiac Braves and allow Delita to become king himself," is inaccurate, if you take Delita's own words into account: "Delita: Go back to Igros, for your own sake. It's healthier to keep your nose out of certain things like Princesses and stones."  Not exactly the words of someone trying to manipulate someone to get involved in "Princesses and stones."  
Again, I'll keep picking at these sections until they match up with the events in the game, not merely interpretations (sometimes fanciful ones) of those events.
(Antelope In Search Of Truth 07:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent NPOV & Accuracy Edits of Ramza's section

message: Is St. Ajora a man or a woman?
I know the English version of the game describes Ajora as a "he", but given FFTactics bad translation (Lune Knight anyone?) and the fact that Japanese has no pronouns, let alone masculine and feminine pronouns (correct me if I'm wrong, my Japanese is a little rusty), the English translation isn't exactly definitive. Besides, in the final battle, St. Ajora and the first form of Altima clearly appear as feminine (although this may just be because Ajora uses Alma's body as a host). Does anyone have an answer? Viltris 00:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd. I spent 2 years in high school studying Japanese, and we never learned any pronouns other than "I" or "you" (and their many variants). 71.135.168.100 22:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender of St. Ajora 

message: Someone has been changing the scope and format of this article.  Specifically, someone stripped away the plot synopsis for Ramza.  Is there any reason someone shouldn't but that synopsis back?  Should it be moved to an article dedicated to Ramza?  Or, since he *is* the viewpoint character, that is, the one the story is seen through, is the plot synopsis on the FFT page adaquate?
Whatever the case, if these changes are to be made for Ramza, this article should be consistent in it's treatment of the characters.  I still think summaries of these characters should include a synopsis of their involvement in the story.
Also, the current "background" section for Ramza seems like a mistitled section.  "Background" would seem to denote information that was supplied or was known about the character outside the scope of FFT's story.  Specifically, background info tends to regard events happening before the story.  Since the info in that section all falls under the category of "synopsis", I am going to roll those sections together.
--Antelope In Search Of Truth 08:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This Article's Format

message: Though Teta is very obviously seriously wounded by a crossbow bolt and loses consciousness soon after being shot, Delita's comment that "she saved him" makes it unclear as to whether she was actually dead until the explosion.
We cannot say that she WAS dead but we can't say she WASN'T dead *before* the explosion, until we know what is meant by "Teta saved me back then".  Unless you can cite the creator of the game or the game itself, we cannot say one way or another that she died immediately after being shot.  
--Antelope In Search Of Truth 02:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Teta's Death

message: Just because it is not explained how his parents died, does not mean we can depict the theory that they died during the 50 years war, even though it is possible.  The fact remains that it is not expressly shown or stated in the game, that I know of.
If it has been shown or stated in the game, great.  Cite it and put it in there.  Otherwise it is not the place to show off pet theories, to be quite blunt.
--Antelope In Search Of Truth 02:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Olan Durai's Parents

message: Why doesn't Boco have a section?--Capibara 23:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boco 

message: It needs to be noted, Ovelia is never CONFIRMED to be killed by Delita, one might assume Delita was alos killed, for he was stabbed as well. --198.254.16.201 16:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ending (and arguably, the entire game) is a poorly translated mess. I don't think this issue will be resolved one way or another until the game's re-release on PSP. Cheers, Lanky ○ Yell ○ 14:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending 

message: Since it was discussed at the FFT page, the discussion should be reflected here too. Characters that deserve mention in the mainpage would be Ramza, Delita and Ovelia. Other characters will be mentioned in one simple paragraph, and a link should point to a Characters of FFT page to explain about the other characters. In fact, decrufting the FFT character List is prudent. It should flow like FFXII's mainpage and its characters page, with in-game reference and the like. — Bluerです。 なにか? 02:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: I'm conflicted, here. I think the ages in the article should be purged. Ramza was 18 and Agrias was 23 by the time I got to Chapter 2, thanks to extensive levelling on my part in my first runthrough of the game. It doesn't really add much to the descriptions, so perhaps it's best to leave out ages entirely except as it relates to age differences between certain characters?
EG: Alma Beoulve, a year younger than her brother Ramza, etc.
Cheers, Lanky ○ Yell ○ 14:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ages 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Delita.gif

message: I've changed the layout of the article a bit to try to make it clearer (hopefully) and less long. The new sections are:
*Main playable characters: for PCs that you can recruit in the normal storyline
*Major non-playable characters: for NPCs that you see in the normal storyline
*Other characters: for all PCs obtained in subquests like Beowulf or Luso
There is no section for minor non-playable characters because I believe it's not necessary. Balbanes for instance should be mentioned briefly in Ramza's section and that should be enough. Miluda's mention in Wiegraf should similarly be enough; Funeral in Vormav; Celia and Lede in Elmdor; etc. The "Other characters" section should be heavily trimmed into one (or a few) small paragraph(s). Finally, I've put Delita in "Main PCs" because I've heard he has a lot of playable sequences in the PSP version, but if it's not the case we can move him to "Major NPCs". Thoughts? Kariteh 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Layout of the article

message: I don't know if i've just missed it or not, but i havn't seen Algus mentioned. He played an important part in the story (if i remember correctly, havn't played in a long time) so shoulnd't he have a spot on the list?--71.126.70.230 04:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, I can't believe he was forgotten. Yeah, he should probably be added, especially considering his slightly expanded role in the PSP version. I've added a stub section in the article; feel free to write something in it. Kariteh 08:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing

message: The title names should be edited, in my opinion to reflect whatever Square Enix used in the re-translation in War of the Lions; because the a) it's a well known fact the original translation was not particularly good, and b) because the new translated names reflect what Square currently wants the names to be in English.  Therefore, my suggestion is that the titles reflect WOTL names but include the original names as used in the original English translation, rather than the other way around.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooshimanx (talk • contribs) 17:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It should follow the new translation, but still have the old names. — Blue。 02:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Translantion Names

message: The article has been tagged as needing a copyedit since October 2007, and I've finally summoned the courage to have a look at it. Having read the whole thing, it looks to me that it's actually fine from a copyediting point of view, and I'm going to remove the tag. However I would argue that this article is vastly, vastly too long and over-detailed for what is, after all, the subsidiary page from a main page about a 13-year-old computer game. Yes, it's popular, and yes, the complex plotting deserves to be reflected, but I think this page may just have stepped over the line into what some might term "fancruft". Brickie (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit & Article issues 

message: There are serious issues here. Is there enough real-world information (development info, reception, etc.) to justify explaining their roles in the plot in such detail? At the very least, the synopses need to be trimmed. — Deckiller 17:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Four years later, looks like the answer is still no. --PresN 20:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Oh my