Talk:Red rain in Kerala

message: Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but - I was reading about the 'red rain' phenomenon a while back and I remember reading about how these 'cells' or 'particles' started to multiply when presented with extremely high temperatures. Is there any information on this? Should there be? Does anyone have a source? I think it was at the Cardiff University's page on this "red rain". Tanru 16:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try a search on Google for Jack Szostak. He and his colleagues have been doing research on physical replication of vesicles of organic chemicals in the prescence of clay. This is much more interesting than the spores from space ideas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davy p (talk • contribs) 05:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiplication?

message: Sorry if this is not the proper way to add my comment, but this is my first time writing in Wikipedia. I am astonished how most of you accept this "research" without any critics. There is no evidence whatsoever that those particles are alive. I checked several papers of Godfrey Louis on Arxiv.org, and I think his whole theory is at least doubtful.
The elemental composition of the particles clearly indicates that it is of inorganic origins. On pics it looks like sand dust. There is no picture where we could actually see these things moving or dividing. 
If this were really extraterrestial life thousands of scientist were already studying them. In contrast, Mr. Luis has published only on Arxiv.org, where anyone can publish his/her papers without control.
Best regards, B.Zoltan, Hungary.
:I hear your concerns and agree with them. This is a topic where normal scientific methods tend to get overlooked, and as a result the article has a tendency to fill with pseudoscience. Keeping it in line with Wikipedia's policies is an ongoing challenge and one which does become quite tiring. Jefffire 14:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Critics

message: As the article has stabilited quite a bit and is well written, any thoughts on making it featured?  Peer review first, maybe? -Runningonbrains 00:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't think it was FA material really. Having just read it, I come away not really having any conclusive idea what the rain was. Richard001 01:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA? 

message: I am proposing that (per discussion with raul) this article is made into a featured article in time for april fools day, would anyonebeinterested in helping with it? RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 14:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reckon I could have this featurable by Sunday.  Although I am thoroughly disillusioned I feel like writing just one more FA.  Seeing as I started the article I might as well finish the job on it.  Worldtraveller 16:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA (2)

message: This is a fascinating and well-written article. Kudos to all writers involved! --Hemlock Martinis 18:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: One sentence reads "Wickramasinghe has reported on the 30th of March 2006 that “work in progress has yielded [sic] positive for DNA”.[19]"  I see nothing in that sentence that merits the usage of sic; I'd guess that whoever initially inserted the quotation thought that "yielded" was spelled incorrectly, which it is not. vedantm 21:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cited link has it misspelled as "yeilded". Someone must have edited the article to "correct" the quotation. I'll change it back to the original. Mgiganteus1 21:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of "sic" 

message: This was initially recognized as an airborne algae which had done similar things before, except one physicist said that it might be pansperm, and his friends said it didn't have any DNA, but the labs said it did?  Um.  Please to remove the entire panspermia speculation section. ←BenB4 13:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait a second 

message: Is this article a joke? No offence! Amit 08:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does it sound like one? --soum talk 08:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, gee, I don't know, like maybe the part claiming the rains were colored by extraterrestrial spores. Me thinks someone's been watching too much SciFi! 4.249.117.209 (talk) 07:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke? 

message: Article needs to be cleaned up in teh referencing, per GA? Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: * where is result information ? alien or no ? Berserkerus (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no more information. This article reports the latest information available. That fact that nothing new has been reported in two years is very damning. The home page of Dr. Godfrey Louis, the author of the paper that rekindled interest in the red rain, which was updated on 2008-04-10 , has nothing more recent than the 2006 article. Dr. Louis, who switched universities in October 2006, lists his current research as being "in the area of experimental Solid State Physics, Electronic Instrumentation and computer based Instrumentation" with a "special interest" in solving the red rain phenonomen. Ask this question: "If you had good evidence for extraterrestrial life, the discovery of the millenium, would you be working on electronic instrumentation?" and "Where is the work from other scientists?" It has been almost seven years since the red rain fell. Since that time we have sampled dust from a comet and started exploring Mars, but no one reports anything about these supposedly alien cells which fell right in our own backyard!? IMHO, the most likely explanation is that nothing unusual was found and anyone involved would prefer that the whole issue would just go away. Unfortunately, this article in Wikipedia keeps the issue alive despite the lack of any supporting evidence.Silverchemist (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regrettably :( Tnx for answer Berserkerus (talk) 09:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As of 2013, there are new evidences from 2010 and 2012, so nothing is settled, but the research goes on, I may say.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.5.212.237 (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is result? 

message: I too believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and looks good after addressing the above issues. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: The external link to the official CESS report is broken. A copyright-free image of the report is avaiable at http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Red_Rain_Report.pdf but I am not sure of the best way to add it to the article so it is readily accessible. Can anyone help? Silverchemist (talk) 05:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the Internet Archive to fix the link and it appears to work on my computer, but please take a look and see if it works on yours. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 06:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It works just fine. Thanks. Silverchemist (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The CESS report 

message: I removed the lastest edits concerning another incident of red rain. The single reference is to a Spanish language newspaper(?) article in which a local parish priest claims it was a sign from God for man to change his ways: "The pastor Jhony Milton Cordova described the incident as a possible sign from God to man reconsider its action. The article itself says "However, no details were specified, because there is no light and it was impossible to conduct more tests." This does not seem like a very reliable source for a claim that it rained blood. As stated above in this Talk page "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Silverchemist (talk) 05:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raining blood in Colombia 

message: The article states that the pH of the rainwater after the "spores" were removed was near 7 and that this pH is what normal rainwater registers on the pH scale. This is actually pretty high (alkaline) given that natural rainwater has a pH of 5.7 due to the interaction of the carbon dioxide that is in the atmosphere and the water forming carbonic acid.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.194.95 (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  pH of rainwater 

message: New research suggests that bacteria may act as nuclei for rain drops. Let's keep an eye on this subject as spores may be mentioned too - eventually. Bacteria-rich hailstones add to 'bioprecipitation' idea.
BatteryIncluded (talk) 08:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bioprecipitation 

message: Just passing through. This sentence (last one in the first paragraph of the Criticism subsection) sounds very biased.
"And every time, they've been popular with the mass media, with major news agencies like CNN repeating their sensational panspermia story without critique, although almost nobody else in the scientific community accepts Louis and Kumar's space spore explanation.[50]"
76.216.149.73 (talk) 05:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it biased? It's just what the facts are. NASA refused to give their paper the time of day because they're not botanist. They don't know the cellular walls have to be permeated to find the dna. Which is basic stuff for this type of analysis. 98.209.42.117 (talk) 05:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible bias in criticism section 

message: total cannot be over 100%98.165.176.87 (talk) 18:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kumar elemental analysis in table over 100%.  

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