Talk:1982 Hama massacre

message: I have removed the following sentence from the article as it seems POV.
"At the time the United States viewed the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat and turned a blind eye to many of the Syrian's governments actions."
In what way did the US specifically turn a blind eye, compared to the rest of the world? TigerShark 22:44, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: A more nuanced treatment of this conflict is necessary. The sobre accounts of serious scholars depict this as an insurrection in Hama. It was a battle between the legitimate government of Syria and insurgents. Casualties included about 1000 soldiers. 
This is an article that is unfairly hostile to Syria. What's extraordinary about this article is the lack of serious sources.  RZimmerwald (talk) 18:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever -- there was a revolt which the government of Syria was legitimately allowed to put down by force under accepted laws and/or norms; however, the Ba`thist regime made a very deliberate and conscious decision to intentionally kill large numbers promiscuously and indiscriminately, and to level large sections of city (even though there was no military necessity for these actions), for the purpose of making Hama serve as a lurid warning example of the fate that would befall anybody who dared to challenge the Assad regime.  That's what makes it a massacre... AnonMoos (talk) 22:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree some nuanced treatment is necessary, but there surely also was a "massacre", although both sides perpetrated it to some extent. On the Brothers' side, this was one of the earliest uses of suicide bombing by Islamist groups (who also massacred hundreds of Ba'athists' families); on the Syrian Army's side, it was a massive disproportionate shelling that killed at least 10,000 civilians. --Delirium (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Massacre" 

message: Something's missing here. Chesdovi (talk) 01:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The diplomatic world was too busy with Sabra and Chatilla to spare any attention or concern for Hama.  Similar discrepancies have often occurred... AnonMoos (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the International Reaction section? 

message: Casualty figures of 17,000 – 40,000 are given here, based on an article from "Globalsecurity.org". Could someone please provide some evidence that suggests that "Globalsecurity.org" are a reasonably unbiased and reliable source of information? Prunesqualer (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 03:02, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't like that, then there's the Christian Science Monitor article at http://www.csmonitor.com/2000/0620/p1s3.html (page2), which states that the elder Assad's brother Rifaat, who commanded the attack on Hama, "is reported to have once chided someone who suggested that 7,000 people died at Hama, by boasting that 38,000 had died"! -- AnonMoos (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The 38000 "boasting" claim comes _only_ from Friedman's book, Beirut to Jerusalem, and is related as something an anonymous "businessman" told an anonymous friend of Friedman who then told Friedman. Very reliable, I'm sure. Furthermore, were Rifaat boasting in the first place, would he not be prone to exaggeration - unless one were willing to take Rifaat as both a bloodthirsty monster and a trustworthy source at the same time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.20.95.104 (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Casualty figures 

message: Ted Koppel of the BBC mentioned the Hama massacre on US Network's Meet the Press on 27 March 2011.  Mentioned 80,000 as a number?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.93.94 (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Koppel 

message: Is the (informative) stuff about 2011 appropriate in this article?  Should it be in the Hama article instead?Kdammers (talk) 08:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  They are attacking right now! On July 31st! wp --95.188.92.90 (talk) 04:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not related to this particular event and it should be deleted. Although a link to current events should be included in "See also" section.--Cerian (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The two are separate events, separated by almost 30 years. I have removed the section. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 2011

message: Need fix something on the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.203.100.154 (talk) 00:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, massacre is more NPOV. Imagine Reason (talk) 02:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not a massacre was a military operation against armed insurgency  

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message: A discrepancy in dates that arose after a comment at WP:ERRORS, as this was about to be used in WP:OTD.  Infobox says it began 2 Feb 1982.  NYT reference seems to agree.  Article (based on an offline reference) says it began 3 Feb.  No other listed sources are online to break the tie.  Also (and this isn't the article's problem, but OTD's problem) the OTD blurb claimed bombing started on 2 Feb, but it appears bombing started some time after initial ambush/raid? --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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