Wikipedia talk:Boot Camp/Archive 2006-01-28

message: This Wikipedia project page was nominated for deletion on December 3, 2005.
The result of the discussion was keep. 
An archived record of this discussion can be found here.
The Wikipedia BOOTCAMP is now open around the clock on Freenode IRC #wikipedia-bootcamp
Trainers, _sj_ and tractor are usually there and active around noon and midnight Eastern time each day, while Bjelleklang is usually active from around 2pm until midnight Central European Time/GMT+1.
From time to time we have intense copyedit sessions. It's Fun and productive! Join in!
 I'll empty you!  Please leave feedback here.
BOOT CAMP RULES!! They teached me stuff, a-hyuck.  =P I know how to use jedit now woohooo! *is editing this page with jedit* Ardent†∈ 09:17, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, woukld you give a look on m:IRC channels? There are closer information on IRC, I suppose. Your retry is very welcome ;-) --Aphaea* 06:46, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

message: Hi, your bootcamp is a neat idea. The tonight talk on Template is very suggestive. I think this camp is helpful not only for newbies but also for us old-bies (if I can be counted as such).
My suggestions are:
*How to do adventure a maze of Wikipedia documents: VP, VfD and other request pages, Special pages ...
*How do I tune my preferences? (fansy signature, RC expansion and so on)
*Other projects speicially Wikisource, Commons and meta.
*Wikipedia related contents: Signpost, Wikimedia Quarto ...
*What is a stub and substub ; how can I avoid creating wiktionary candidates ;-)
I expect much smarter input youll get ;) --Aphaea* 06:46, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topics expected 

message: I think this is a nifty idea, but I'd prefer a different name. For one thing, boot camps are not known for being friendly places. Maybe "Wikipedia 101" would be better. Maurreen 16:57, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why 101? An emergency call? I suggest a strongly depending on a local culture and society isn't understandable.--Aphaea* 11:19, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "101" is often used in the USA to indicate an introductory course. If that doesn't work for you, would you consider something else, such as "orientation"? Maurreen 19:44, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wikipedia: orientation"? Sounds nice. And it is more understandable for me than Bootcamp. --Aphaea* 08:35, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Encyclopedic content is of value when it is objective. In many ways, the average wikipedian is in need of discipline to maintain sight of the objective. I know I am. Imposing rules upon myself is easier if i keep them strict. I expect my peers to honor that and hold me to it. The para-military style appeals to my personality type. CQ 11:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I don't know if this would be feasible for Wikipedia or not, but would this work better as a Teamspeak server?
:Probably not in my opinion. When we're on IRC, one instructor can easily follow up on several recruits, and there's also a lower threshold for actually connecting, as it's only text (and not voice to voice with a complete stranger). If we'd go over to Teamspeak, it would require a soundcard/microphone/speakers or headset, and would also make it harder to help someone. If you ask a question on IRC, I can see the question several hours after, and if you're still on, I could respond; whereas in Teamspeak I'd have to hear the question there and then, meaning that I'd actually have to listen all the time, instead of just checking every now and then on IRC. Bjelleklang  -  talk 23:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Teamspeak and other sonic user interface technology is no doubt on its way. As exciting as that may sound, Wikipedia should remain a textual experience at least for another decade. IRC is an old protocol and freenode is an institution the old guard understands and respects. Let's keep our traditions up and over our technologies and maintain a rugged substrate for our boots. Then we can take that hill. We're here for the duration. WATCH - CQ 09:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate Real-Time Resources

message: Somebody put some really dumb stuff on the project page about friends and enemies and other disappointing comments. I'm going to try to revert it back to what the Bootcamp's original purpose is. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in Advants. -- CQ 14:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up project page 

message: Comments and suggestions are required to keep the Wikipedia Bootcamp vital.
===Bootcamp is...===
It's written: Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.
:As for The Wikipedia Bootcamp, it is an independant organized para-military unit led by a Wikipedia steward and joined by a few administrators and many regulars. It's purpose is to help train regulars to be good stewards and administrators of the Wikipedia. If the Bootcamp's rank and file want to be democratic, the Wikimedia Foundation has no problem with it. We try to maintain a democracy, within a burocracy that controls a server farm funded by a corporate entity within a part of the world that is partial to democrocy upon a global free internet. CQ 10:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments and suggestions

message: It's written: Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.
:As for The Wikipedia Bootcamp, it is an independant organized para-military unit led by a Wikipedia steward and joined by a few administrators and many regulars. It's purpose is to help train regulars to be good stewards and administrators of the Wikipedia. If the Bootcamp's rank and file want to be democratic, the Wikimedia Foundation has no problem with it. We try to maintain a democracy, within a burocracy that controls a server farm funded by a corporate entity within a part of the world that is partial to democrocy upon a global free internet. CQ 10:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bootcamp is...

message: Hmmm... some thoughts about this GREAT!! site (I really think it's great!)
* "poor children in African villages" - if they don't have a printed encyclopedia then they most likely (MORE likely) have no Internet access either. If that is the mission then everyone please contribute to the French Wikipedia, not the English one - they will be more likely to read French than English in the majority of African countries. Also, using the stereotype of the poor African village is by my very personal opinion not very nice... there are plenty of poor illiterate children in the First World (e.g., in the U.S.) as well that crave knowledge. I think "underpriviliged children around the world" could be a more neutral term. 
* "It is also important to maintain democracy that people be able to state unpopular opinions without necessarily attaching them to their real name" - is democracy the correct term here? This sounds to me more like a subset of Western values of liberalism. I don't find it in any (printed) definition of democracy yet... Maybe it's better to invoke the freedom of speech or human rights here because I think that's more accurate but may sound to grand. 
Comments (here) more than welcome!
--Carboxen 21:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  accurate? 

message: Should we advertise somewhat more there (if nothing more, at least a link)? Bjelleklang  -  talk 23:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Clueless newbies