Talk:LGBT rights in Israel

message: I'm curious about the role of antigay Orthodox Jewish groups in opposing LGBT rights in Israel. Could someone add a brief passage on such organisations, their major figures, and whether or not they liaise with any other antigay Orthodox Jews outside the United States?
User Calibanu 11.44, 14 July 2007.
::Well, anti-gay groups per se don't really exist in Israel. Most of the virulent homophobic rhetoric comes from orthodox (mostly ultra-orthodox) community leaders, Knesset members etc., but a dedicated anti-gay group, to my best knowledge, does not exist. Interestingly, though maybe not surprisingly, homophobic rhetoric is a relatively recent phenomenon, and closely related to the rise in LGBT visibility and acrivism. There is one orthodox organization called "Atzat Nefesh" which purports to "cure" homosexuality (as well as masturbation of any persuasion), but as a rule they actually abstain from "that" sort of rhetoric. Aviad2001 20:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Orthodox Jewish antigay groups?

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:The 2005 documentary, Zero Degrees of Separation, looks at the situation with greater complexity as it examines the lives of Ezra Yitzhak, an Israeli, and his partner Fuad, a Palestinian. What most mainstream media fails to mention and is beautifully illuminated in this film, is that as a result of the Intifada, most Palestinian young gay men who might once have had permits to reside or work in Israel, have had them revoked (http://www.medea.be/index.html?page=2&lang=en&doc=284). And so while Israeli laws are progressive for all Israeli gays and lesbians (Arab, Jewish or otherwise), they remain exclusive to that group. A Jewish or Arab Israeli with a Palestinian partner who does not have a permit to live in Israel will never receive that right, regardless of their relationship status. This is true for straights who are common-law or married as well. (http://www.btselem.org/English/Family_Separation/Index.asp) 
:The 2006 movie  The Bubble (הבועה) by Eytan Fox touches on the complicated situation of a gay Palestinian man who attempts to live within Israel in Tel Aviv with his Jewish lover.  Like many Palestinian gays and lesbians, he is persecuted for being gay in Palestine and risks prosecution for being resident in Israel illegally.  While the movie is not a true story, the story is a reality for many gay and lesbian Palestinians.
Rudy Breteler (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Palestinian Issues

message: In one edit that I later undid and then redid with updated info, I only had enough room in my summary to say "Taiwan?  Not so."  I wanted to type "Taiwan?  Not to my knowledge."  I've redone that part to reflect Taiwan's non-discrimination laws, and changed it to reflect the correct year, 2007, not 2001.
Homoaffectional (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: There is no mention in the article about whether or not same sex partners of Israeli citizens have the same access to health insurance (including premiums) as citizens.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tzadikv (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Question not clear. Since 1/1/1995 there is a national health care law in affect In Israel. This law is for all Israeli citizens and legal residents (even if they are not citizens). Wirecorm (talk) 19:49, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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message: The pinkwashing section of this article (as just one example) has several sneaky biases which merit comment. Wikipedia articles are biased towards Israel (often outrageously so) because Wikipedia is the target of a great deal of Hasbara activity. Most people give up trying to remedy this because the Hasbara activity is so well resourced. First off, why is "Pinkwashing" in quotation marks. Any section on wikipedia could be portrayed as opinion so why are all sections on all articles not also in quotation marks.
Statements criticising Israeli pinkwashing are qualified with words such as "claims" and "negative stereotypes". Criticisms of Israel are interspersed with pro-Israel narratives which are not qualified as "claims" or "stereotypes". Worse still, Alan Dershowitz - whose pro-Israel advocacy is hypocritical and rife with logical fallacies and double standards - is allowed to condemn critics of Israel's pinkwashing as anti-semites and bigots and claim that only gay radicals consider Israel to be engaged in pinkwashing.
As usual these biases occur mostly within the rules of wikipedia as Israeli govt employees are sophisticated at doing this. Furthermore they're paid to edit Wikipedia as their job, so normal people who can't spend all day countering this activity tend to just give up. 121.73.7.84 (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: According to different sources, some Palestinians are threatened to be exposed to their families as homosexuals and send back to their families, where they will be tortured and killed. Unless they are willing to work as informants. They are furthermore monitorized. That should be part of the Palestinian section I think.--APStalk 19:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: This article, specifically the "Politics" section, contains many facts about different views from different politicians over the last twenty years, but there is not a proper history that details how LGBT rights grew in Israel. One of the major events in recent years that impacted the LGBT community in Israel, the 2009 Tel Aviv gay centre shooting, is not mentioned once in the article. This incident, which sparked an immense public reaction from Israeli citizens and politicians alike, created a shift in how the LGBT community is received and treated in Israel. It was soon after that that Israel began to promote its acceptance of LGBT rights. While this article has a lot of important information regarding its laws and culture, there is no definitive history of how these laws and cultures shifted in favor for the LGBT population in Israel. The information I am going to use to add to this article is from Columbia Human Rights Law Review and written in 2015. The author, Aeyal Gross, is a law professor at Tel Aviv University. She has written for a wide variety of law journals across the world, and has written about LGBT rights and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict respectively. If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page. Noah07132013 (talk) 19:28, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Noah07132013, adding the 2009 shooting is a good idea. The rest of what you write seems to be more a critique than a suggestion of what you will do to fix it. You write twice that the article lacks a history; are you going to add that history (aside from the 2009 shooting)? That sounds promising; but what will you add to lay out that history? Also, the title of your Talk Page section says "pinkwashing" but nothing in your blurb says what you intend to write about pinkwashing. Your source sounds trustworthy but Aeyal Gross is a man not a woman.Chapmansh (talk) 23:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shift in acceptance of LGBT politics; Pinkwashing 

message: Does taiwan can change legal gender without surgery like Israel? Does taiwan can Joint adoption like Israel? Does taiwan can use IVF service like Israel? Does taiwan can donate blood like Israel without following five years of abstinence from sex? Does taiwan recognize same-sex marriage abroad like Israel?--S59112024 (talk) 09:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel's LGBT rights are the most developed in the Middle East 

message: For 67 years, key documents in the history of the Israeli LGBTQ community were tucked away in the country’s state archives. In 1954, Israel's Attorney General prevented Rina Natan from gender reassignment surgery. The story later took a surprisingly positive turn. Haaretz, Link. Sorry, not sure what would be best way to include in article, so I leave the info here for you. --Jensbest (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Tragic Story of Israel’s First Trans Woman 

message: blood donation of msm is allowed since 2017, not 2021 as Nitzan Horowitz claims. Under some circumstances, it was allowed even before that. What Nitzan did was changing the wording in the official papers to still refer to MSM blood donation, that as mentioned, was allowed since 2017, when Benjamin Netanyahu was the minister of health. 2A00:A040:194:6396:D977:59A1:9072:2762 (talk) 08:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  blood donation 

message: blood donation of msm is allowed since 2017, not 2021 as Nitzan Horowitz claims. Under some circumstances, it was allowed even before that. What Nitzan did was changing the wording in the official papers to still refer to MSM blood donation, that as mentioned, was allowed since 2017, when Benjamin Netanyahu was the minister of health. 2A00:A040:194:6396:D977:59A1:9072:2762 (talk) 08:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: *https://web.archive.org/web/20210225210605/https://elyon1.court.gov.il/files_eng/05/450/030/a09/05030450.a09.htm
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KieraMedic1701 (talk) 17:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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