Talk:Missionary position/Archive 1

message: Won't women object to the man controls the pace being an advantege, it's more of a fact, itsn't it? 
-Samaraphile
:Indeed, although some women like that aspect. Sarsaparilla (talk) 23:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages 

message: "The missionary position is a common human sex position, the most common one used by 100% of married females surveyed by Kinsey in Kinsey's Sexual Behavior in the Human Female and the only one used by 9%."
the only one used by 9% of... what?
12.208.179.119 00:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: of married females surveyed by Kinsey in Kinsey's Sexual Behavior in the Human Female.--Prosfilaes 01:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stats 

message: It is said that the name "missionary position" arose because this sex position was supposed to have been taught by Christian missionaries as the only "proper" sex position. The term is believed to have originated sometime between 1945 and 1965. Another possible explanation is that the term was coined by indigenes when first saw missionaries having sex in this position, unusual amongst them.
This is a joke, and should be edited, or deleted.  See the discussion of this reference here: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050617.html
This is a joke, but a very successful joke, and that is rarely taken for a joke indeed. So I guess that this article should developp about it. The explaination mentionned may only be the soft one, I guess that it as if not more widely beleived that missionnary not only adviced this sex position but taught it by daily practice... I guess it is successful because it carries two implicit ideas : that "indigenous people" sexuality was originaly very similar to the one of the animals - and that missionary, altought their official rule was not to have sex (or excepted with their wife if so) generally and very usually had sex with the people they were supposed to teach about religion. So this explaination is very pleasant for people that have anti-clericalist and may be some litle ground of racist or at least ethnocentric feeling.
Wikipedia "mission" should be to give that kind of explaination (if it appears right) rather than let people keep this kind of idea. Astirmays 17:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name "Missionary" position joke 

message: The article says that "no other land mammals have been observed to use it," but no citation was given.  I don't believe that's true, and I'm pretty sure i've heard about (non-human) primates doing it face to face.  I'm gonna remove this until a source can be found.  ENpeeOHvee 06:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  other land animals 

message: Even though I am an administrator (but not here), I still can't understand how can that teddy be visible on the thumbnail, but not on the picture itself when you click it!? --B. Jankuloski 10:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand it either, but I managed to get rid of it. Changing the template from  "Image:Missionary Sex Position.png|thumb|The missionary position" to "Image:Missionary Sex Position.png|thumb|200px|right|The missionary position" seems to have done the trick. Bizarrely, "Image:Missionary Sex Position.png|thumb|180px|right|The missionary position" gives one an image with the teddy bear. Wikipedia formating is a truly odd process. Peter G Werner 17:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. I shall remember that, should anything similar occur.
What I find really difficult to grasp is why on earth would someone draw a teddy bear on a picture describing a sexual position?! What is it supposed to be there for? Sorry, but I see nothing humourous in it and I certainly shan't consider getting one beside me next time I want to have fun with my girlfriend  --B. Jankuloski 05:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Because it's not meant to be a strictly diagramic picture; it's got details showing the area around the people. Which happens, in this case, to include the teddy bear.--Prosfilaes 16:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The annoying teddy" 

message: I've restored the teddy bear to the picture.  I don't think there was ever concencus to remove it.  And unless there is, I think we should respect the original artist by leaving it there.  I personally think it adds to the picture by giving it more setting, making it more real that way.  Some said that maybe it made it seem like she was a child but I don't think so.  I've known lots of women college age and older who slept with teddy bears.  ENpeeOHvee 05:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Teddy bear must be gone now.  24.175.10.61 06:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Picture" 

message: 1- It's not really needed. Aside from the whole teddy bear thing what if little Johnny hears about the missionary position and not knowning what it is has a look on wikipedia. If an image could be inappropiate for some age groups AND doesn't really add anything to the article why not delete it?
2- Yes, the teddy bear does possibly suggest ( at least to some people) that one or both of those pictured is underaged, we don't want that suggestion. 
3- If there must be an image of the missionary position it should be geninuely informative or be from a famous work of art or something like that. The image as it is is just taking up bytes and load time and doing nothing aesthetically or educationally. 
Timothy J Scriven 12:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Let's remove the image" 

message: Where's the infamous teddy bear? I've gone through the history and looked at revisions where it was supposed to be there but I can't find it. I had though perhaps the image itself had been changed but the revision history only shows one version of the file, the original uploaded by Rama. So where the heck is the infamous teddy bear? All I see is a pillow near them no teddy... Nil Einne 19:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's apparently an older version (deleted?) that does not show up on the commons gallery of uploads or user contributions. But there's always the disturbing image of the sci-fi reading couple ;) Scoo 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was getting curious after checking [[WP:LAME]; I found the picture:  Han-Kwang 19:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's this teddy bear? 

message: I propose merging side entry missionary position into this article.
* It is not very clear exactly what position the author(s) of the page had in mind from the text which is there
** The image on the page does not relate to the text in any obvious way
* There is nothing terribly interesting about this position, so I think it fails WP:N
** The page has almost no content
** It is not popular enough to have gotten a common name (such as "doggy style")
** No one has cited any references for it either in popular culture or serious literature
--Strait 01:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Side entry missionary position" 

message: I propose merging Butterfly sex position into this article.
* It is very similar to the standard missionary position, with the only difference being that the man is rotated 90 degrees
** Having them on the same page allows for less redundancy and better comparisons
* The name "butterfly" has no acceptance
** I have never heard this position called "butterfly" outside of Wikipedia and certainly not off the web
** There is no reference for the name
** I have a book which calls a completely different position by the same name
*** (I don't think that that position needs its own page either)
* The page has no references (except for the one which contradicts its name)
* Most of the page's content is pretty clear original research ("very relaxing for the woman", etc.)
--Strait 01:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Butterfly sex position" 

message: I propose merging legs up missionary position into this article.  Most of that article violates WP:WEASEL and/or WP:OR and would be better suited to being a short as a paragraph under "variants" in this article.  Comments? --Strait 08:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "legs up missionary position"