Talk:Hungarians in Slovakia

message: Every year, the Hungarian government provides a status report on Hungarians living outside of Hungary, and includes some historical basis. It would be an excellent reference for this article, and for other articles on Hungarian minorities. I read the year-2004 version that was available in 2005 (English translation), and noted that there were documents for other years. I assume that there are now more current versions.
I lost the link, and came here hoping to find it, without success. Searching the Hungarian government's website would not be easy for one who doesn't speak the language, so I'm hoping that someone more capable than myself will take the initiative to look it up (and will be able to use it as a reference in the main article). I can then come to the main article and find the link.
Some additional information: it discusses the Hungarian minorities in states bordering Hungary in separate documents, and then has another separate document that covers all others (in the US, Canada, etc). It is written diplomatically (the initial paragraphs of each page are a bit tedious for that reason, I think), it leaves no question as to the views of the Hungarian government, and I think it is perhaps the best presentation of information that I've seen in regard to this emotional issue.
Regards, 24.178.228.14 (talk) 05:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are probably looking for this website. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian government link 

message: I removed the "gerrymandering" part. It claims, that there were 2 regions (of 17 total) with hungarian majority before 1996 and none after. This is, however, nonsense, as there were no regions recognised before 1996. Last time, when Slovakia had 17 regions, was in the 13th century. See http://www.infostat.sk/vdc/pdf/slavikdoc.pdf - for people who don't speak slovak, it is the table 1 (tabulka 1), the slovak word for "region" is "kraj", plural "kraje", table columns macro-regions ("makroregiony") and mezo-regions ("mezoregiony")
The claim was challenged since august 2008 and nobody backed it up with a reference since then.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.175.158.196 (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerrymandering 

message: I am shocked after reading this article. Not only has this article - obviously - not been edited by any local Slovak or Hungarian having the slightest idea of the topic, but also it would be considered an article written by (at best) the Jobbik in Hungary. Even if I close all my eyes, I can only recommend everybody not to believe any single word of the text. Thank you. Szabó2 (talk) 23:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning 

message: I express serious concerns about objectivity of this article. According to my knowledge it contains false arguments and misinterpretations. I request flagging this article as an article with disputed objectivity.
--Eminencia (talk) 11:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objectivity concerns

message: The articles presents as fact that most Hungarians in Slovakia are bilingual with Slovak because of Slovak language laws (I'm not sure if the person writing this therefore resents the laws or thinks they are good for that reason). 
I suspect the language laws are not the prime reason for bilingualism, merely that if someone wants success in careers, a full-choice of serivces (including privately supplied ones), and to be able to follow the politics of the state they live in then they want to learn the state language. 
I'm going to take it out in the future, so if anyone wants to keep it, it would be useful to post in this discussion a comparison with other minorities of around 10 percent in relatively small countries, but without the language laws, or to compare the situation now with the situation before the language laws.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.211 (talk) 12:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Efffect of Slovak language laws on billingualism 

message: This article has been written from a very close-minded point of view. Quite obviously, the author has no idea about the situation and/or is intentionally trying to promote misinformation, fallacy and demagogy. I absolutely agree with opinion above (Eminencia). This article should be flagged.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.127.131.140 (talk) 21:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: I have to object

message: No one has added any source for the material below that has been included in this article. It has been like that for over five months. Why should it be left in there if no one has been able to produce any proof at all? It should remain removed from the article until a reliable source is found. Five months has been long enough to wait for someone to add a source. I have a feeling Hungarian nationalists won't like this but that material should not be in the article.
This is the material that has been unsourced for over five months:
>Slovaks leaving Hungary moved voluntarily, but Czechoslovakia forced Hungarians out of their nation.
>After expulsion of the Germans, Czechoslovakia found it had a labor shortage, especially of farmers in the Sudetenland. As a result, the Czechoslovak government deported more than 44,129 Hungarians from Slovakia to the Sudetenland between 1945 and 1947. Some 2,489 were resettled voluntarily and received houses, good pay and citizenship in return. Later on, from November 19, 1946 to September 30, 1946, the government resettled the remaining 41,666 by force, with the Police and Army transporting them like "livestock" in rail cars. The Hungarians were required to work as indentured laborers, often offered in village markets to the new Czech settlers of the Sudetenland.
24.144.148.37 (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is a false statement, please see Second Hungarian Republic.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced Material

message: This article picks up in 1918, with the independence of the first Czechoslovak Republic. Is there another article covering the history of Hungarians in Slovakia prior to 1918? If so, it needs to be made more clear in this article that this is the case. Personally, I think some summary of that is necessary in this article, else this article needs to be retitled to make it more clear that the subject is Hungarians in the modern, independent nation of Slovakia. Otherwise, the uninformed reader is left wondering "Why are/were there so many Hungarians in Slovakia?"
I visited Bratislava and other areas of Central Europe recently, so I've acquired a renewed interest in Central European history. I'd be willing to help revise this article, but I wanted to get consensus on the talk page first before doing any major re-writes. If no one objects, I'll add a few summary paragraphs in a new section soon. My next project will be to make sure that this article is and remains free from nationalist POV on both sides. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Prior to WW1 the territory of the modern Slovak republic belonged to Hungary. I've added a sentence to the history section. - filelakeshoe 12:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of Article 

message: With all due respect to the one who edited that part of the article, Eszterházy should not be called a martyr. That is a wholly subjective statement. If you want to note that he was an interwar and WWII politician who led the political movement of the Hungarian minority in then Czechoslovakia, that's fine. Noting that he remains controversial, with the various sides of the debate viewing him differently, is also fine. However, don't call him a martyr. By that logic, even political/historical figures who no one traditionally views in such a way can be considered a martyr if just one person holds such an opinion and forces it into Wikipedia. Writing about someone being a "political martyr" is not encyclopedic. --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 12:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjective opinions on Eszterházy 

message: Recently started an edit-war, my argument is that should be updated with the latest data or move it to the history part.2QW4 (talk) 18:06, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for coming to the Talk page. Please, see my answer below. Bye, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 18:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: This data below are no longer valid in 2013 when there is a new census data from 2011. Why to use this in the front lead? It's misleading.
Do you agree with me?. 2QW4 (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see any "manipulation" here, as the date (2001) is clearly shown by the caption of the map. On the other hand, by all means, please go ahead and design a new map showing the results of the 2011 census. The data the current map is based on is only a decade old, it shows the general distribution of Hungarians in Slovakia. Thus, having this map is much better than having no map at all. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 18:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I know very well your arguments. Using an old census data you make manipulation. People are then not well informed by the latest data, people may think there are more Hungarians then there are in reality. I know your approach. You will never do an updated map. 2QW4 (talk) 18:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Dear 2QW4, please, assume good faith. As Fakirbakir has also pointed out, you don't have to wait until somebody else prepares such a map. You are welcome to do it yourself. However, until you make a better map, please, leave this one where it is, as it gives a general illustrative overview, even if it is not based on the last census. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 18:40, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't reply why you don't want to make it...2QW4 (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not the one who has serious issues with this one... KœrteFa {ταλκ} 19:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect. I will do it and then you will no longer have any issue..2QW4 (talk) 20:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

text: So, who wants to help also? 2QW4 (talk) 16:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Manipulation of data

message: On 27 September 2007, the Slovak parliament reconfirmed the Beneš decrees, appearing to legitimize the historic accusation of collective guilt and deportation of Hungarians and Germans from Czechoslovakia after World War II.
The text of the resolution  (official web site of the parliament). For those who cannot speak Slovak, translation of the first point:
* SK: "nezabúdajúc na utrpenie obetí II. svetovej vojny, odsudzujúc princíp  kolektívnej viny" 
* EN: "reminding suffering of victims of World War II, rejecting principle of collective guilt".
It seems that somebody took information from website of active political party (Party of Hungarian Coalition, SMK) and did not verify basic facts.--Ditinili (talk) 12:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The original source used is not available but I wouldn't be surprised if it was POV, the wording "appearing to legitimise" stinks of original research anyway. I would go ahead and edit the sentence. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 13:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beneš decrees vs. SMK 

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