Talk:Military operations of the 2006 Lebanon War

message: Because so many things were being repeated, I put it into date order.  This should make things easier to understand. --Irishpunktom\talk 16:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is great! Could other editors please respect this format? It is somewhat related to a timeline, but more detailed.--Cerejota 16:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date Order

message: The work done by many contributors is valuable, but the entire article is in need of a complete re-write. Not only does much of the content have a strong pro-Arab POV, much of the article is written in the present tense (as if the Military Operations are continuing), there are numerous quotes from articles that came out while the war was in progress - and that have since been shown to be inaccurate, and so on.
Georgeaz (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Out of Date

message: Please verify that you edit doesnt belong there before editing.--Cerejota 16:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Related to 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

message: As this page inherits the bulk of its info from a page with a POV Check at the time of the move, 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, putting it up here.--Cerejota 19:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Check

message: This may need to go somewhere here:
On July 20, 2006, Democracy Now! reported:
At least 72 civilians died in Lebanon on Wednesday making it the deadliest day of the Israeli assault. In the village of Srifa, Israeli warplanes flattened an entire neighborhood. 15 homes were destroyed. At least 17 civilians died including several children. The local mayor described the attack as a massacre.
The southern city of Tyre has so far buried 86 Lebanese civilians that died in Israeli airstrikes into a mass grave .  More than half of the victims were children, according to local hospital staff.  The Los Angeles Times reported: “Civil structure appears to have broken down almost completely. Ambulances haven't been able to operate. The dead are rotting in the rubble of smashed homes. Food and clean drinking water are running out.”  In addition to the 500,000 already displaced Lebanese civilians, Israel warned some 300,000 Lebanese to abandon their homes. The Israel Defense Forces was preparing to call up thousands of reserve troops. Lebanese Defense Minister Elias Murr told the Arabic television network Al Jazeera Thursday, July 20, Lebanon would resist an Israeli attack.
Meanwhile, the bombardment of Lebanon continued. At least thirty Lebanese were killed Thursday, July 20. The Lebanese death toll stood at around 320 -- almost all civilians. Earlier that day, Israeli warplanes attacked Lebanon’s main highway to Syria. Several passenger buses were set on fire but no casualties were reported.  The World Food Program said damage to roads and bridges has almost completely disrupted the food supply chain, hurting large numbers of the estimated 500,000 people displaced by the attack. The situation in the southern Lebanese village of Tyre is getting worse by the day.
Cheers, TewfikTalk 06:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how this can be considered "military operations".  In the chronology I have only noted things like artillery strikes, bombings, where/when, clashes with hezbollah, and any target details, death/wound figures if any. 82.29.227.171 15:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: This seems to belong somewhere else, it has nothing to do with military resources:
United Nations Resolution 1559 calls for Hezbollah to be disarmed and the Lebanese Army to be deployed to southern Lebanon, which has not been implemented[96]. It is already mentioned in 2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict but without the reference. -213.219.151.76 22:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  irrelevant sentence in Military resources of Israel and Lebanon?  

message: Does anyone have information on number of Hezbollah rockets fired into Israel by day (for every day of the conflict?)  E.g., around 100 most days, I think there was 82 today (so far).  It might be interesting to look at the trend, esp. on how/if it changes as this unfortunate situation continues. TJ0513 15:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocket Counts 

message: Added detail from WSJ ticker on casualties as they stand- they arent specific military operations but might be useful to readers wondering about figures at this point.  Also some quotes from Hezbollah which probably dont belong either except to give an idea of what they are saying right now. 82.29.227.171 10:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 3rd August

message: Hi guys.  
*this article together with [Timeline of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict] are becoming just a list of events. 
*the 2 articles (this article and [Timeline of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict]) kind of are duplicates of each other.  both are just day to gay account of the actions undertook by both sides. 
i think that this article should have a summary of the events in a "history of coflict" or something, and the actual timeline be left to [Timeline of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict].  this article should be left alone for analysis and stuff.
i dont really want to start editing it to the plan outlined above, as its the events are on going and i am sure people are watching this article.  so i just wanted to build up a consensus.
in short, leave the time line to the timeline article, concentrate on analysis in this article.
leave me a message
--Greg.loutsenko 20:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  becoming disorganised 

message: I propose we merge all other articles related to military operations of all combatants to Military operations of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict and that we reformat said article to be less of a timeline and more of an explanatory article with a timeline. --Cerejota 07:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, although I fear that such an article will be extremely long.  --GHcool 08:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The we must make NPOV sub articles rather than POV forks as those two articles are.--Cerejota 21:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article is already twice above the recommended Wikipedia size, so I think it's better to do a major cleanup of the other two sub articles. Unfortunately, most regular users have been concentrating their efforts on the main article while it was semi-protected, leaving the anon users free to run amok in the unprotected subarticles. Thomas Blomberg 23:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree. The rocket campain of Hizballah is not a "military" operation. It is an operation designed specifically to hit civilians. To kill as much Jews as possible, to put it simple. Aleverde 19:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dropping the two atomic bombs on Japan in WW2 and the firebombing of Dresden were also most certainly "designed specifically to hit civilians" and  "To kill as many Japanese and Germans as possible" and were certainly military operations.Edison 04:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No really? Do you think that there is any resemblance between the two situations? Killing Germans and Japanese in the end of that war was to cause them to surrender, to end the war, not an aim by itself. And certainly not to destroy their countries and make them American, Russian or British. Hizballah's declared aim is to destroy Israel and killing its population is an aim by itself. So no, it is not "military". Deadly, but not military. --Aleverde 16:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Mainly because of the length of the two articles imi2 10:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Many of the material is redundant, so it should be merged. And who cares about the recommendation for the length? I guess most readers aren't on modems anymore. --213.155.224.232 10:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Agree--Paraphelion 07:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's the whole catch. It ain't military. It's killing Jews for the sake of killing Jews. Hizballah's fights with soldiers in Lebanon are military, but this one isn't at all. --Aleverde 16:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aleverde: any use of military force, even against civilians is a military attack. It might or might not have the omnious connotation you give it, but the fact is it wasn't civlians launching the rockets.--Cerejota 09:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I am suggesting we merge the "Operations by date" with the Timeline of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict where it should be. There is no logical reason to divide the timelines into two separate pages, as timelines are precisely meant to be quick go to resources rather than prose explanations. 
This will result in plenty of space for the two propossed mergers, and help incredibly with the rewriting tasks.--Cerejota 10:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge timeline

message: I'm adding the Hersh Allegation about prior preparations. This has been extensively debated in the main 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict article talk-page, and this has been identified as the best place to put the information. Fig 08:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hersh Allegation

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