Talk:The Foundations

message: * What would we actually regard as abuse ? 
* What would we regard as vandalism ? 
* What would Wikipedia regard as abuse and vadalism
* Is this happening here with The Foundations page ?
* What does the general public have a right to know as far as actuality of an article and the history of The Foundations are concerned ?
* Does one mans opinions and desires give him free passage to do as he feels ?
(Reply to unsigned comment above): The level of large-scale addition and removing of text here clearly shows a bitter and emotional edit war in progress. The Foundations appear to have suffered the same fate as many other bands from the 60s, 70s and 80s, in splitting into more than one lineup, each of whom claims to own the name. This edit war can easily be solved by telling the story of the Foundations up to the 1970s and including the observation that a later lineup was formed to tour, record and claim legal ownership to the name.
The whole article is a mess, with these "statements" and angry assertions, which fall far short of an encyclopedic tone, being added and deleted daily. Grimhim (talk) 04:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism of a Wikipedia article and abuse

message: I recall seeing them on the nostalgia circuit at the Village Bowl Bournemouth towards the end of the 70's. Although it wasn't very professional of Mr. Curtis to stand looking at his fingernails between numbers, annoyed by the low turnout for a Sunday Club gig, and his vocals weren't a patch on the original, I'm afraid that it would really be POV to leave this in the article. Sorry! Great article in the main about a neglected group.  Britmax 08:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No Subject title ?

message: Important info deleted (Updated April 01 2008)
This person who is obviously connected with that American group that calls itself The Foundations has on more than one occasion deleted interesting and important info and placed his own info instead. This is an obvious effort to promote his own  website http://www.thefoundations.us/ , and his group. If he wants to promote it then why not start his own page and stop making a mess of this one. The original Foundations were a multi racial band with White English, Afro West Indians and a Sri Lankan. This US group  calling itself The Foundations is all white and American and features a female.
They also claim the legal rights to the Foundations name.
George-Archer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by George-Archer (talk • contribs) 01:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does your "legal right" to record and perform under the name "The Foundations" extend itself to the UK? If it doesn't, I feel you have no right to include your band in an article that has been written about the original British Foundations. Will you please explain how is your band more, or just as notable as the original British group? Pat Pending (talk) 14:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I find it very hard to beleive that you have a legal right to perform or record in the UK as "The Foundations" and furthermore, the members "from all around the globe" were British Subjects/Citizens. Pat Pending (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I could not agree more, he and his band are in no way shape or form, notable and furthermore, if you look at the bottom of the page, he has taken to calling us infantile and is refering to us as morons! Cheers, Pat Pending (talk) 05:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: About this U.S. group calling itself The Foundations and its member(s) or associate(s) messing with The Foundations Wikipedia page

message: What do people want to do about this. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an argument that if Peter MacBeth is notable enough to have his own article (and the BBC website might be sufficient indication of notability), that the conviction information should be in that article. And if he is not notable enough, that the conviction information should not be on The Foundations entry ... it is not obvious to me that a conviction of an ex-band member some 37 years after the demise of the original-ish line up split up, should form part of the subject matter of an article about the band. (Equally, I can see why others, and in a different hour, myself, would disagree with me). Suffice to say it might be useful to discuss the matter here rather than get into a revert war --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex offender conviction

message: This article appears to be the venue for some sort of sad battle between a couple of The Foundation factions; suffice to say whoever added the long note, above, appears to admit to being something to do with some sort of contemporary band called The Foundation, and is editing the article against the advice set out in wikipedia's Conflict of Interest guidelines.
In particular, the IP appears to wish to bore us all to death with an inappropriate screed, partially in capital letter, about the current ownership of the name. Guess what? That's a completely inappropriate and disrespectful use of wikipedia. Please have sufficient maturity to fight your wars elsewhere. 
See WP:COI --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you actually reported this to Wikipedia for a Conflict of Interest investigation yet Tagishsimon? Or are you just bringing the policy to the attention of Mr Huffman so he can think on his current stance and desist voluntarily? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: COI

message: It would be helpful if you could tell us on what basis legal title to the name "The Foundations" passed to you. I well understand that you have registered a trade-mark. You will agree with me that that is not the same thing as a transfer of title. Was there any agreement at all from the original owners / members of the band that you inherited the name? Or did you usurp the name as it had been in some sense vacated by the demise of the original group? --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll edit the article in the next 12 hours or so, and would then be glad if you and Pat would look at it & see if you agree with the new model. In short, it seems to me that, for better or worse, The Foundations in essence became three bands, one led by Clem, one by Colin Young (both UK based?), and one by you (US based)? Of these, by & large and after a legal wrange (in the UK?), two traded under the original name - yours and Clem Curtis'; with Colin's being The New Foundations. You registered The Foundations as a trade mark in the US, do not appear to be challanging Clem's ability to trade under The Foundations name in the UK, but are likely to challenge any attempt by anyone else to mount a The Foundations operation in the US. 
Please feel free to comment on that summary.
Unless I am mistaken and I do not believe that I am we are the only group allowed to use the name "The Foundations". Clem has to use Clem Curtis and The Foundations and Colin Young has to use Colin Young and The New Foundation. I know when I last talked with Clem he was booking as Clem Curtis former lead singer with The Foundations but that may have changed after legal battles in England. We are actually discussing a Foundations tour and record deal for the new CD in Sweden and Germany early next year so the legal battles may begin at that time. Maybe they will finally be settled. Thanks for your help in getting The Foundations information corrected.
Dave  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.44.177 (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Who returned to their "various countries?" To the best of my knowledge and memory, they were all British Subjects/Citizens. Thanks, Pat Pending (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Question for Dave Huffman

message: Not satisfied with Man About The House, Steptoe and Son, Reginald Perrin. Now its The Foundations. What next?
((Revision as of 11:55, 4 April 2008 Morris-mech to sign off here))
I'm through with defending a group that I have been performing with for over 30 years and have full legal rights to just because you hate Americans. I'm through, even though you seem to have nothing to do with your life but try and make me miserable, I don't have the time or the desire to play your game online. Think what you want but I have been with The Foundations longer than any our your "so called" original members and will continue to perform with the group as long as I choose due to my legal status. You really should get over your prejudice for the rest of the world. This my last statement. Get over yourself. You are not worth it.
By the way, I think the UK groups were great. Why are you not concerned that the "original" group was not completely English? Or didn't you know that?
Dave Huffman
The Foundations  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.44.177 (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Another English creation stolen by Americans

message: A Request from Clem Curtis
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 - Please can you email Clem Curtis at 
therealclemcurtis@hotmail.com with your 
telephone number so he can call you regarding this. Thanks
Current revision (10:16, 11 April 2008) Msstone61 (Talk | contribs) 
Reply to Msstone61
(("Oh well I suppose I better then"))(George-Archer (talk) 12:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wha gwan? Soul Geeze (talk) 23:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll second that Mr. Geeze! Pat Pending (talk) 15:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you guys think that this would be the good thing to do? Ah maybe I have. (George-Archer (talk) 15:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it would, and yes, I see you have! Cheers! Pat Pending (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: You're welcome friend. Please keep an eye on the article page because I know what will happen next. Not looking forward to that. (George-Archer (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do, with the greatest of pleasure:) Cheers! Pat Pending (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, ....."and I think to myself, what a wonderful world - Buttercup"! Pat Pending (talk) 19:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: A bunch of morons? That, Mr. Huffman is outrageous and totally unacceptable. Pat Pending (talk) 04:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look Pat. This is just going too far, he is getting way carried away with it all. Yes that is totally unacceptable, I agree 100%. What ..... morons just for attempting to keep some form of historical accuracy and preserve an article from becoming someone elses personal tool ? (George-Archer (talk) 07:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message to George Archer 

message: Below are from sections of the article page that were deleted by a certain person
This happened while inserting in his desired info on 19 April 2008 .
When "Baby Now That I've Found You" was first released it went nowhere. Luckily BBC's newly founded Radio 1 were looking to avoid any records being played by the pirate radio stations and they looked back at some recent releases that the pirate stations had missed. Baby, Now That I've Found You was one of them. The single then took off and by November Baby Now That I've Found You was number one in the British charts. This was the ideal time because of the soul boom that was happening in England since 1965 and American R&B stars visting , interest and intrigue in The Foundations was generated. Their second single released in 1968 "Back On My Feet Again" didn't do as well as the previous but made it to 18 in the UK. A third single also released in 1968 "Any Old Time You're Lonely Or Sad" only got to no 48. 
 With Colin Young they had two more big hits , "Build Me Up Buttercup" their second hit in 1968 and "In The Bad Bad Old Days" in 1969.
There has also been another line up formed in 1999 that included Colin Young (Vocals), Alan Warner (Guitar), Steve Bingham (Bass), Gary Moberly (Keyboards) , Tony Laidlaw (Sax) and Sam Kelly then Steve Dixon (Drums) This version of the group was reformed due to the popularity of the film There's Something About Mary and the interest created resulting from the 1968 hit "Build Me Up Buttercup" being featured in the film. Some time later Colin Young left this version of the group and was replaced by singer Hue Montgomery AKA Hugh Montgomery.  
 
    
There is also an American group that uses the name The  Foundations. They have no connection with the original group and just happen to use the name as well as cover some of the material of the original band.   
UK EP  
* It's All Right Pye NEP24297  - 1968 
US Singles discography   
* "Baby, Now That I've Found You" / "Come On Back To Me" - UNI Uni, 55038 - 1967   
* "Back On My Feet Again" / "I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving" - UNI 55058 - 1968   
* "Any Old Time (You're Lonely And Sad)" / "We Are Happy People" - UNI 55073 -1968    
* "Build Me Up Buttercup" / "New Direction" - UNI 55101 - 1968    
* "In The Bad Bad Old Days (Before You Loved Me)" / "Give Me Love" - UNI 55117 - 1969   
* "Born To Live, Born To Die" / "Why Did You Cry" - UNI 55162 - 1969 - UK #46   
* "My Little Chickadee" / "Soloman Grundy" - UNI 55137 - 1969   
* "Take A Girl Like You" / "I'm Gonna Be A Rich Man" - UNI 55210 - 1970   
* "Stoney Ground" / "I'll Give You Love" - UNI 55315 - 1971   
* "Build Me Up Buttercup" / "Baby, Now That I've Found You" - Eric 192 (Re-release)   
    
US Album Discography   
* Baby Now That I've Found You UNI 73016 1967   
* Build Me Up Buttercup Uni 73043 1968   
* Digging The Foundations UNI 73058 1969 
* "Baby Now That I've Found You" / "Build Me Up Buttercup" - Flashback FBS 6 - 1979
* "Baby Now That I've Found You" / "Build Me Up Buttercup" - Old Gold OG9407 - 1984 
UK Singles discography
1979 
1979 
UK Album discography (George-Archer (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: An example of what has been deleted

message: A reminiscence from Roger Cawkwell
In 1970 I was recruited to play Sax and Flute in an attempt by Barry Class to revive the Foundations. The lineup, after several changes, included Colin Young on lead vocals, Steve Bingham on Bass, Graham Preskett on Electric Violin and Guitar (also the MD), Jean Roussel on Keyboards (who later went on to play with Cat Stevens) Chris (can't remember his other name, Smith?) on Drums and myself.
There was a just-about resolved tension in the situation as Colin was very keen to start including his own material although it didn't fit stylistically into the Foundations soul-type repertoire. Barry (the manager) on the other hand, was very keen to exploit the Foundations name. The compromise reached was that we would appear & be billed as the Foundations but Colin would explain during the gigs that we were becoming a new band which was to be called Development and then we proceeded to play a mixture of old Foundations hits and the new material (which I remember as preferring to the well-known stuff, though I couldn't for the life of me recall any of it now, except that it sometimes contained quite a few time changes - more Prog than Soul).
In early 1971 the band toured extensively in Latin America, appearing many times at the Expo-Show in Buenos Aires and also playing in Uruguay and Brazil before returning to Argentina for a few final concerts. Upon returning to the UK in early March 1971 the band recorded an album of Colin's songs which, to the best of my knowledge, was never released. I was told that Barry Class had not paid the  studio so they held on to the tapes, though I can't vouch for that. The band did a very few UK gigs (might have been only one, I don't recall) before splitting up as nothing seemed to be happening.
Rogerc99 (talk) 11:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An attempt to revive the Foundations 

message: I attempted to clean up this article, but since it's all over the place, it would probably take me an entire day to bring it up to acceptable standards. Since there was (I'm guessing it's in the past) a bit of a issue with this article, I imagine these changes might not go down too well, but considering the older version was a hot mess and probably shouldn't have left up for as long as it was, I'm willing to take the chance at pissing someone off. Either way, the current state of the article (even after my mini-cleanup) is pretty shoddy. I attempted to fix the glaring errors (sentence fragments, bad grammar, punctuation issues, poorly worded content, etc), but there's still more than needs to be done. If no one takes issue with it, I'll attempt to rewrite and properly source this article in the next few days or weeks (depending on how much strength I can muster up). As it stands right now, this article probably confuses more than it informs and there's no excuse for that. Whatever personal issues one has with this band or its history needs to be set aside for the good of the project. After all, that is why most of us are here. Pinkadelica Say it... 07:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a good idea Pinkadelica, and well worth the effort to get this article tidied up. There is also a wealth of valuable info in it too. The issue related to this article or problem if you like stems from a certain Mr Huffman, an American who claims that he is the rightful owner and true member of the Foundations. He was using the wikipedia article to promote his own website and so called Foundations band. His band which calls itself The Foundations goes under different names as well. The band is all white or was last time I checked. It has a female singer and the material that they cover can range from Bobby Brown's "It's My Perogative" to a Country song called "Redneck Girl". He basically accused Clem Curtis and Colin Young of failing in their solo carrers. Here are his own words ............................ Just because the original guys were in a group that became "The Foundations" or because they now want to cash in on a name that was not emportant enough for them to keep the group alive back when they were popular does not give them legal rights to the name or performance rights now. These musicians left the group due to the fact that each of them thought they were the reasons "The Foundations" were a hit. When they left for solo careers and failed then they want all the credit for "The Foundations" success.................. Taken from .......... Dave Huffman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.44.177 (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted cleanup 

message: Dave Huffman, you accuse the guys of cashing in on the name THEY built as they had no solo careers. Isn't this exactly what you are doing except cashing in on SOMEONE ELSE's name?
:Hi there 76.113.18.156 , please don't forget to sign off with the tides.Cheers (George-Archer (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: To Huffman & co

message: I think that Dave Huffman has had his day here. I suggest that he now be banned from Wikipedia. Banned as in banned! This stupidity is not going to stop. I think that I have pretty much worked out what his agenda here is. He can carry on like this but not here ! 
If he wants to make up stories about his connection to The Foundations and write what he wants, then let him do it on his own website. If he wants to block Mr Clem Curtis, Mr Colin Young or Mr Alan Warner from going to the United States and using a name that they worked hard for for years as original members then let him make these threats on his own website. What ever he sews then he'll reap but not by using Wikipedia as his own personal promotional tool for his band. This whole carry on has just got too out of hand. (George-Archer (talk) 16:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enough is enough ! 

message: I suggest that Ron Fairway be merged to this article: please see Talk:Ron Fairway for discussion.  Thanks, MuffledThud (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now merged Ron Fairway to The Foundations#Career from 1967 following debate at its talk page and at an AFD discussion that followed.  Please check for errors: I'm bound to have made some. Thanks, MuffledThud (talk) 08:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I have posted this notice here, as I suspect this page gets more passing Wiki editor traffic than Talk:Eric Allendale.  According to Val Kilmer's obituary in The Guardian, the subject's stage surname (his real middle name) was spelt Allandale - see   Also, Google searches throw up more hits utilising this spelling.  Could others have a look at the matter, and either comment here, or at Talk:Eric Allendale.  I modestly suggest a page move may be appropriate.  Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allendale / Allandale 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Pat Burke, a professional musician, was from the London Music Conservatorium." I looked for a wikipedia link to add here, but there's no article of that name, and nothing comes up if you google it either. There is a London Music Conservatory, which from its website appears to be a recent development. Can anyone provide any information? Robocon1 (talk) 10:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography: origins 

message: Seems a bit strange for a band to have had two massive hits and not have an image. Anything on commons? BT Curry (talk) 17:06, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any band image? 

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message: It states that drummer Tim Harris died in 2007, but:
# There's no reliable refs to back this (e.g. newspaper/article or mentions by former bandmates)
# This is the only main mention of his death.
So I'm finding it hard to believe that Harris is actually dead. He clearly has kept a low profile after the 1970s, but it isn't clear if that's because he has stayed away from the spotlight or if it is because he actually is deceased?, but I can't tell. In fact. there's so little publicity about his death that there isn't even a full date of death, it's just 2007, no day or month. For a death so recent, you'd think there would be more information about it we could find, that is, if he even did die because (again) there's no reliable refs to help us out. Anavatar (talk) 23:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Tim Harris still alive?