Talk:Pope Victor I

message: Was he the first black Pope? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphaboi867 (talk • contribs) 
:No.  RickK 06:49, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
He was White actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdie (talk • contribs) 
*Yes he was:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmac800 (talk • contribs) 
Not Actually!
Pope Victor looked like the people and ancestry of the land from which he came. "Africa". The Syrians, Greeks and Jews which comprised some of the early popes looked like their ancestry as well. The Arian rise in the Catholic Church didn't begin until the latter part of the third century. Even the Roman Empire wasn't converted at large until the fourth century. The first two centuries Catholicism was supported largly by the churches in Africa by of course, "African" people. People of African lineage were involved from the beginning. Refer to ("The Oxford Dictionary of The Popes" Oxford University Press, 1986) for proof that Catholicism is really a world religion. For other blacks popes you should see (Liber Pontificalis Book of the Popes) p. 17 for Victor; p. 40 for Melchiades, sometimes called Miltiades, under whose reign Rome was converted to Catholicism; p.110 for Gelasius, L.R. Loomis, translator. New York 1916. See also (100 Amazing Facts About The Negro With Complete Proof, J. A. Rogers, 1936.)
Tom Bailey
:Yes actually, Tom Bailey.  Africans were indeed involved in the Catholic Church from the beginning, but not black Africans.  The people of North Africa are white, and Catholicism didn't spread to Sub-Saharan Africa until the European Age of Exploration brought it there.  Don't cite fringe scholars like J.A. Rogers to support your mythistory, because it only discredits you. --Jugbo
::Actually, North Africans, like other Mediterranean groups, have been a melting pot of Caucasian and black African populations for thousands of years, and show a range of "racial" features consistent with such mixing.  Neither Afrocentric revisionism nor historically Afrophobic US census categories change these historical and biological facts.  Kemet 01:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Kemet, Berbers (for the most part) and Europeans don't have much black ancestry. So, rather than "a melting pot of Caucasian and black African populations", it would be more accurate to describe Mediterranean peoples as "Caucasian", with minor (the great majority of the time) sub-Saharan ancestry (the exception being the Tuaregs, who are highly mixed). Also, in addition to the images displayed at the top of the Berbers page, this site features pictures of Berbers that don't really display "a range of 'racial' features consistent with such mixing [of 'Caucasian and black African populations']" (the exception, again, being the Tuaregs). --Jugbo 03:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Utter rubbish. You are misquoting the Old Testament as a source for your confused racialist agenda. Koalorka (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Black pope

message: Suggest removal of the massive block of arguement in the reference list156.22.9.252 (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some useful information there, so it shouldn't be deleted but the information moved to the main text. On the other hand, there are some clues this might be a copyright violation: at one point some text is missing, which could happen if source text is copied from an original text in two copy-&-paste actions; the other is the use of the first person at one point. Anyway, that text is gone except for some unavoidable phrases. -- llywrch (talk) 00:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  First reference 

message: I understand he likely wasn’t sub-Saharan African equally so, he likely wasn’t white European.
He was North Africa and likely had a darker complexion (similar to the coptics I would say)
It does play an important role actually.
Victor was the first pope to speak Latin because Christians in Rome were still using Greek in the liturgy. As one historian has written, it was “remarkable ... that Latin should have won recognition as the language of African Christianity from the outset, while the Roman church was still using Greek.” 
Some more information -https://www.stbensparishmilwaukee.org/about-us/history/black-history-profiles/african-popes Solidarityandfreedom (talk) 14:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we please try to find some sources on ethnicity and what ethnic group he is?