Talk:Responsible government

message: Terms like "responsibility" and "accountability" are subjective notions, whereas a system of government is an objective affair, a thing.  So if a government is responsible when it is "accountable", then we are dealing not with a system but with a conception or an ideal of one.  --VKokielov 19:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Responsible government is indeed the name used in the literature rather than a descriptive - even the authors of many of these texts acknowledge that the responsibility mechanisms within it have failed even while continuing to use the name to differentiate from other systems. I really hope I can improve the article, I've just done a course which dwelt somewhat on this so I have plenty of academic citations (although weighted somewhat towards an Australian view of the topic). Would welcome any assistance and source diversification from Canadian, South African and New Zealand editors. Orderinchaos 17:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  system and conception 

message: So I take it that the UK itself still does not have "responsible government?"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ColDickPeters (talk • contribs) 16:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The UK

message: The one and only external link ("Can Responsible Government Survive in Australia?") is to a paper that has ZERO references, is highly biased and poorly written.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameronyoung (talk • contribs) 11:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: This statement appears inaccurate:
During this century, Nova Scotia was the first colony in British North America and in the British Empire to achieve responsible government in January–February 1848 and become self-governing through the efforts of Joseph Howe.
What is defined by "responsible government"? If a large degree of autonomy, or self-government, is meant, then how does this account for the assemblies in Virginia and Bermuda? Bermuda is acknowledged as having been self-governed since 1620, when the lower house of the Parliament of Bermuda, the House of Assembly of Bermuda, held its first session. Indeed, as parliament was suspended in England during the interregnum, and no other parliament that pre-dates Bermuda's has existed continuously, Bermuda's parliament is the oldest continuous parliament in the Commonwealth (although Bermuda is not a commonwealth state, it is part of the realm of the United Kingdom, which obviously is). Aodhdubh (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query accuracy of Nova Scotia being the first colony to achieve responsible government 

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message: The article is very confusing on Responsible government in countries that have not been UK colonies. It seems to me that, under the definition given in the introduction, a lot of counties operating under a parliamentary system also have responsible government. Currently Israel is briefly mentioned, and so is Germany, surely both countries now have Responsible government even though neither uses the Westminster system? Perhaps these countries should be listed at the end of the article instead of rather randomly? 
Also: If they are to be listed surely then most European parliamentary governments meet the suggested criteria? Thomasfowl (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: First, Israel was a British mandate from 1920 to 1948, and it does use a form of Westminster parliamentary democracy. Secondly, the fact that other democracies have similar systems does not mean that it is necessarily an outgrowth of one particular form. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just don't see any reason to classify the Israel as Westminster, it follows barely half of the characteristic described on Westminster system and has far more in common with the Western-European parliamentary systems (PR, Coalition governments, non-adversarial ect.). But if Responsible government is only a characteristic of the Westminster system, then surely it does not make sense to mention Germany in the way it is currently done? The article now implies that it has responsible government but also says that this can only be the case in Westminster systems, which it is absolutely not. Thomasfowl (talk) 10:14, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other countries