Talk:Hooker with a heart of gold

message: There's a mention that "in early stories this character was often named Amanda", and yet, not a single example of such a character named Amanda... so is this even true?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.66.194 (talk) 14:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Amanda

message: Does Irma La Douce fit in here?
:seems to, judging from the imdb entry. feel free to add her if you think it's appropriate. Sarge Baldy 10:18, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
::She certainly does fit. I was wondering where she was, then I saw her name at the bottom of the list. I'll merge it in. ChrisWinter 17:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irma La Douce

message: Should there be a note on this page about stereotyping prostitutes as villainous in the first place?  Also: Slack from Land of the Dead is not a good example, she is enslaved and never voluntarily a prostitute.  Since slaves are not considered automatically villainous or callous, this fails to represent the idea very well. 24.33.28.52 06:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stereotyping

message: As far as I remember, the character Jasmine DuBrow in Independence Day is an exotic dancer, not a prostitute. If that's right, she does not belong on the list. ChrisWinter 17:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Does Jasmine Dubrow belong?

message: Seeing no protest, I took Jasmine Dubrow off the list. I alphabetized the list, split the two names from Hot L Baltimore into separate entries, and edited the entry for Ilya (from Never on Sunday.) I also added two names: Mona Stangley and Suzie Wong; I think their hearts are sufficiently golden. I thought about adding Carmen, the gypsy of Bizet's opera, and her modern emulations (e.g. Carmen Jones.) But while she might be termed a hooker, I don't see her as having a heart of gold. ChrisWinter 22:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One day isn't really long enough of a wait to assume consensus.  The description states the archetype can be generalized to other types of sex workers (e.g., strippers and porn stars).  But I don't think Jasmine Dubrow is particularly notable nor adds much to the list, which is intended to be representative, not exhaustive. Someidiot (talk) 01:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Puttin' in, takin' out

message: I don't think Blanche DuBois from A Streetcar Named Desire belongs on this list. For one, she wasn't a prostitute -- she had just slept with a number of her students. Secondly, I wouldn't say she had "a heart of gold". I would say she had "issues".
The whole deal with Blanche is that she seems nice on the outside, but we later find out that she's a lot more troubled on the inside. That's the reverse of the hooker with a heart of gold, who seems troubled on the outside, but is nice on the inside.
Also, the hooker with a heart of gold tends to be a peripheral character -- not the main character like Blanche.
--I entirely agree; I hate her character primarily due to what she believes, on the inside. Also, she slept with people for reasons besides food or being forced into it. I could go on, but it would turn into a rant. Sliverqueen (talk) 10:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanche DuBois? Surely not 

message: Nicole Kidman's character is a hooker as well as a dancer, so I don't see why she's mentioned in the "not necessarily a hooker" section. 71.57.91.43 05:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moulin Rouge 

message: I have commented out most of the article. I think it might serve as a useful reference for constructing something new, but it just reads like a long list of unverified original research. I'd love to see some citations, but I'm insufficiently familiar with this sort of literature. Perhaps someone could take it upon themselves? --Eyrian 18:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gutting the article 

message: Back in May someone had objections to the list and removed it - this doesn't appear to have been discussed on the talk page, so I've reverted back to the May version. The existing version had been hacked down to a single worthless paragraph. I understand that people might have objections to such an article, but it's no good just reducing it to nothing - if the article's worth having, then the list has to be there, if it's not, then the article has to be removed.
Palefire 23:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe an article like this is more appropriate for a place such as tvtropes.org, which is a great wiki for all the stereotypes you find in entertainment media. It is less suitable for Wikipedia due to lack of verifiability (own interpretations of original material don't count) jasticE (talk) 08:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Either have the article or remove it 

message: "usually a prostitute who sells sex for cash or drugs, is in fact a kindly and internally wholesome person" in the first para suggests that it is unusual for a prostitute to be kind and wholesome. i find this derogitory towards them. someone address this please  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.88.255 (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening 

message: Does Bianca belong here? I don't recall Bianca being a prostitute or having a heart of gold... then again, I haven't read the complete play of Othello, just summaries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.119.14.34 (talk) 04:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bianca from Othello

message: What's the origin of this expression? In what contexts is it used? Is it an academic term or a popular culture term? Is it only used in the english language? If so, in which countries? Has Please add information. 
- nekrorider189.146.11.52 (talk) 19:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History and context needed

message: Hi there. This article was the first hit from my Google search with the terms "Unintentionally hilarious wikipedia articles". Just thought you'd like to know! Keep up the good work, guys. Colonel Mustard (talk) 09:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unintentionally hilarious 

message: I believe she belongs her, she was a prostitute but her feelings and emotions (tender, hurt etc.) were often portrayed both in book and in the BBC series. 92.4.136.245 (talk) 23:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugar from the Crimson Petal and the White? 

message: Sofya Semyonovna -- 'Sonya' -- in Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment not only exemplifies but, in a sense, *transcends* this character stock type.  She is a devout Christian who was took up the oldest profession because of privation, desperation and . . . *compassion* for the sake and survival of her step-family.  I say 'transcends' because she is akin to Christian martyrs who would sacrifice self for a Greater Cause.
Violetta -- either in Dumas fils's novel or in Verdi's opera -- is not a 'hooker'.  She is a courtesan which, for contemporary readers and modern society, can be translated into 'professional mistress'.
182.188.238.74 (talk) 21:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sofya Semyonovna -- 'Sonya' 

message: While not strictly a hooker, Savoy is a baseball groupie (named after the nickname given to such) who, along with "Crash" Davis, help shape Ebby LaLoosh into a Major League-level pitcher.
DaDoc540 (talk) 21:28, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annie Savoy of ''[[Bull Durham]]'' 

message: This seems to be a wonderfully written section, but there are no citations. PurpleChez (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  characteristics 

message: The writer Bret Harte is credited w/ introducing this trope to American literature. I found a couple of sources, but not sure about reliability. Anyone wish to comment on them? The first is from a Library of Congress project, which sounds reliable enough, but there's no writer credited, so no way to analyze authority. The second appears to be from an online course of some sort. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a direct comment on this, but WP:RS explicitly does *not* say that dissertations are not reliable sources, which led to a major deletion from this article. It says you cannot cite an *in progress* dissertation. matt91486 (talk) 06:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do we think of these sources?