Talk:Crochet

message: I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 08:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All power to your elbow. -- Solipsist 12:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No external links to discussion forums, please

message: I'm thinking about starting a WikiProject for Textile Arts that would include all the usual crafts (crochet, knitting, quilting, sewing, weaving, etc.) plus clothing and fashion design.  We basically need to find 5 editors who are interested in contributing.  A WikiProject would allow us to use tags to monitor the progress of our field, using the [[Mathbot assessments.  We could also make common templates, info-boxes and whatnot, and it might draw other textile-enthusiasts to us. I'd be willing to get it off the ground, programming-wise; are people here interested in joining?  Thanks! :) Willow 10:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject?

message: I am sorry I added a link to bevscountrycottage.com on your article.  I really was not all that familiar with how the whole article creating thing went on here as I know others who just add stuff to articles all the time. I just wanted people to be aware of the humanitarian patterns I have on my site, as so many new people just 'find me' every day, and I have been online for many years.
I am thankful for your response to craftbits here, as that helped explain your reasoning in removing my link.
My site does have crochet AND knitting patterns, even a few cross stitch ones, as all are for helping people find free patterns to make to help those in need, so perhaps that is the problem, it isn't all crochet, but then neither is Martha's site as she has knitting things there too, so I was not understanding.  I realize charity crafting is not the purpose of your article, it is merely a 'crochet' definition, history and so forth article.
Sorry to have caused you to have to remove my info, I had no idea.
Bevqual 15:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am all for removing all the external links on this page, except perhaps for one tutorial site. Your link to Craftbits was removed because it was repeatedly inserted into the links section without any reasoning or explanation, thus appearing to be a spammer. The three free pattern links were already there (and many, many more links) when I started contributing to this page. I went through all of the links and tried to keep the ones that were understandable, easy to access, and in the case of the free pattern tutorials, offered more free patterns than patterns for sale. For more information on your particular situation, please see WP:EL#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest.  --Lmblackjack21 09:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "I went through all of the links and tried to keep the ones that were understandable, easy to access, and in the case of the free pattern tutorials, offered more free patterns than patterns for sale."
We have no patterns for sale! All patterns are free and are easy to access (you don't have to become a member!). Look, just because we have advertising on our page, we shouldn't be excluded, even though we classify on all other counts and are the best and the most extensive site there is. This is hardly fair applications of the rules. If you want to keep a section with a header of Free Crochet Patterns, I challenge you to find a more comprehensive site than ours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.171.83.30 (talk) 09:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please see my response on your talk page. --Lmblackjack21 14:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, as per the discussion in my talk page, I would like a discussion on adding Craftbits.com's Crochet section in the Crochet page. Please provide reasons as to why it shouldn't be included. I have provided the reasons why it should be included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.171.83.30 (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Free Crochet Patterns

message: Sorry for the delay, I'm on vacation right now and just popped in to check Wikipedia. Here are my arguments for not including any more pattern sites to the page. According to WP:EL:
Some external links are welcome (see "What should be linked", below), but it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. (emphasis mine) No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justified. 
This applies to almost any pattern site, because they are basically extras to the article: they don't provide any sources to the article, and interested people can just Google them. Also, they add instability to the page, because many people will keep adding links because their website is related to the Wikipedia article. To be quite honest, my ideal link list would include only one or two tutorial sites. 
My concerns about Craftbits in general: first, it's very graphics-heavy. I'm not sure how it displays in other browsers, but it's a little slow on Firefox. Next, unlike the other sites currently listed, this is not a purely crochet focused site. Googling "craftbits.com" reveals that the site is more popular when it comes to knitting (first result is the main site, second result is the knitting section) rather than crochet.
Don't get me wrong: I think it's a nice site, and there are some patterns I really would like to try. But I personally do not think that the addition of the Craftbits link contributes anything to the article, and as noted above, it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. I am not saying this against any personal vendetta against Craftbits, but I would really like to get this article fairly stable and into Good Article status in the future, and that will not happen if there isn't some sort of policy about pattern sites (which WP:EL does not seem to touch on).
I would really like to see what other editors think of this situation. --Lmblackjack21 09:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: re: Craftbits

message: Can we clean this up a bit? 
"Crocheting, like knitting, consists of pulling loops through other loops with a crochet hook."
Since when do knitters use crochet hooks?
"During the completion of a stitch there may be multiple loops on the hook. This method distinguishes crochet from other methods of fabric-making such as knitting, as it is composed entirely of loops made with a single hook and is only secured when the free end of the strand is pulled through the final loop."
I'm a crocheter and even I can't make sense of this paragraph. Both crafts involve multiple loops on a hook or needle. The difference is knitters carry all their stitches on their needles, while crocheters carry only a single loop between stitches. Crocheters may have several loops on the needle while working a stitch, but when it's completed they are back to a single loop. 204.120.207.2 13:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look now--is that a little better? (Any feedback is welcome!) --Lmblackjack21 13:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that looks a lot better. I noticed the reference to the 18th century lace manufacturer is gone. The only place I can find that is in the Happy Hookers book and I don't know where she heard it. I'll see what I can find. 204.120.207.2 19:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First two paragraphs

message: I'm wondering why the editor(s) of this site allow the post linking to something called 'craftacular.com'.  First, this link leads to a site that is clearly commercial.  Second, there is nothing on the linked site related to the writer's stated purpose.  jdJdwln (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Craftacular.com. 

message: There is an ongoing review of the most valuable image on Commons relating to crochet work in case any of the article editors here would be interested in joining the review. -- Slaunger (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most valued review of best crochet work image on Commons 

message: I've noticed a lot more projects that utilize a jumbo hook, especially size Q.  Does anyone think that it would be beneficial to publish guidelines for suggested yarn weight(s) and/or type(s)of yarn?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NMinoptra (talk • contribs) 17:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Yarn Weight and Types of Yarn for Jumbo Hooks 

message: what is a pico?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.229.5.43 (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See picot. DurovaCharge! 19:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pico 

message: It seems like it was subject to spam links but not vandalism.  Also, AGK, who protected it, is now retired from wikipedia.  Can we unprotect? Ethan Mitchell (talk) 19:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You could file an unprotection request at WP:RFPP. DurovaCharge! 19:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this page protected? 

message: "Crocheted fabric uses 1/3 more yarn than knitted fabric. Crochet produces a thicker fabric than knitting, and tends to have less "give" than knitted fabric."
This is a blanket statement that is demonstrably false. It is borne of ignorance of crochet as a craft. Slip Stitch Crochet is one method that produces a fabric comparable to knitted fabric in thickness, drape and amount of yarn used. Classic Crochet stitches can even be used to create comparable fabric in terms of yarn usage with excellent drape.
The quote above is only true when speaking narrowly about certain types of crochet done in particular ways. It is not indicative of crochet as a whole. This statement should be qualified to make it accurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayarnifiedlife (talk • contribs) 20:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences From Knitting 

message: Perhaps "late 1700s" for the Flemish lace original on which this crochet design is said to be based has been misinterpreted as "late 17th century", as so often seems to happen. At any rate this fully evolved asymmetrical Rococo shellwork and cartouches are not possible before ca. 1725.--Wetman (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Misdated source

message: This article does not mention using plastic bags to make plastic yarn a.k.a. plarn. Plastic yarn can be crocheted into many things just like regular yarn. The raw material is the everyday plastic bags we receive from stores. Thus by using plarn you can recycle. I need to get more info about how to make your own plarn and I will add to this. If the people who are editing this page are interested I will get more info. BenjaminHoy (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plastic Yarn a.k.a. Plarn 

message: Please add the Crocheters Anonymous© external link to the Crochet page, as it is in category to the other external links on the page. In a nutshell, Crocheters Anonymous© is a compilation of galleries, articles, and resources on its website and in social media with followers from over 20 countries worldwide. 
Crocheters Anonymous© is also very unique in that it is inclusive (to a extraordinary degree) of multiple subcategories under crochet 
The content across all its forums is highly visual: essentially online galleries of inspirational, one-of-a-kind works that most of our members have neither seen nor imagined. Artistry and artisanship from the depths. 
More detailed information (including all sub-forums of Crocheters Anonymous©) is available on the About page of the Crocheters Anonymous© website.
Here is the external link that I learned could not be submitted by me as owner of the site: 
* http://www.crochetersanonymous.com/ Crocheters Anonymous© Online articles and social communities relevant to crochet, yarnbombing, and other fiber/textile arts. 
Thank you very much,
Pamela H. Taylor
Crocheters Anonymous©
:I commented out the external links in this section because such things are not intended to be on talk pages and are not formatted as are links in articles. --Futhark|Talk 18:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocheters Anonymous© 

message: An anonymous edit on 7 December 2012 left the article claiming that the first known crochet pattern was published in 1819 in the Swedish magazine, Konst och nyhetsmagasin för medborgare av alla klasser ("Art and News Magazine for Citizens of all Classes"). This was said to displace the previously accepted earliest such reference from 1823 in the Dutch magazine, Pénélopé, permitting that date to be "discarded." In fact, though, the Swedish publication did not contain any instructions for crochet. Its first number, dated 1818, includes a chart for what most immediately seems intended for counted-stitch embroidery, using six different colors, and labeled Sy- eller Virkmönster (= sewing or crochet pattern). The extent to which it is suitable for tapestry crochet remains to be determined and, in any case, cannot currently be documented as required for the WP. Otherwise, although the word virka is now used most frequently to designate crochet, it has a history of earlier use for other methods of textile production, including chain stitch embroidery. This is produced both with sewing- and tambour needles and appears at least as likely to have been an intended technique for the 1818 pattern as was tapestry crochet. --Futhark|Talk 08:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest known crochet pattern 

message: As there have been new studies and theories being conducted over the last ten years are there any updates planned for this page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squishypenguin (talk • contribs) 23:51, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating for crochet? 

message: Can someone who doesn't have disgusting stripper nails make a new demonstration video please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.244.127 (talk) 22:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New video needed 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Seems overly long with many sections not specific to crochet, perhaps condense and add them to the Yarn or Spinning pages.  Jchinique (talk) 04:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yarn section 

message: Evidence shows that crochet did not, in fact, come from Scotland. Some sources say it comes from the Chinese art of tambouring,while others say it comes from Arabia, but honestly it has no pure orgins. 
source is 
https://twistedeweidaho.com/blogs/news/crochet#:~:text=Ancient%20Origins%20of%20Crochet%3A&text=Some%20research%20shows%20that%20crochet,indigenous%20tribes%20in%20South%20America. 136.53.36.39 (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn’t say that crochet came from Scotland and the cited blog post is filled with unsubstantiated assertions about its origins. It does list two well-known monographs on the history of crochet for further reading. One of them (Paludan) is model of robust scholarship but the other is held in utter disrepute by the research community. A journal article with a useful review of what is known (not imagined) about the history of crochet can be found via https://loopholes.blog/publications/#defining-crochet --Futhark|Talk 08:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The origin of crochet