Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Grammar

message: I just have a quick question.  When we are copyediting a page for grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc., are we supposed to delete the template at the top of the page when we are done? I know that it is supposed to be removed after a page is "Wikified," but I wasn't sure about general cleanup templates. Thanks! HusikaSN 17:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting the copy edit template? 

message: There are many articles in :Category:Wikipedia grammar check that are not listed on this page.  For ease of maintenance, I would recommend dropping the listings on this page and just going by the category listings.  If necessary, a bot could be used to distinguish the old from the new, but there's not that many on the list at any one time, and they can be added to Template:Opentask on a rotating alphabetical basis to make sure no individual articles stay in the category for too long. Beland 02:44, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, all of the articles listed have either been fixed or tagged and added to Template:Opentask.  This WikiProject seems to be defunct, so I implemented my suggestion and moved the main collaboration point on listings to :Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit.  I also consolidated the project pages to be a little more useful and not quite as dusty.  This project mostly only still exists as a place to ask grammar questions, though no one has done that yet.  I did create a pointer from Wikipedia:How to copy-edit, so maybe traffic will pick up.  It would also be a good place to propose a method for systematically identifying articles in need of copyediting, a task which I will leave to others. Beland 13:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listings 

message: When viewed in Mozilla 1.7.5, this project page is a little broken.  Unless the page area is large enough, the horizontal yellow copyediting box overlaps with the vertical purple resources for maintenance and collaboration box.  Internet Explorer gets around the problem by leaving a large gap so that the horizontal box is just below the vertical one.  Is this a Mozilla bug, a wiki bug, or just a problem with the design of this page? Open4D 15:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Display problems with this project page 

message: The Language and grammar desk is now open for questions on English grammar and usage, similar to the Wikipedia:Reference desk and Wikipedia:Help desk. Assitance in answering questions would be appreciated. Ground Zero 21:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar desk

message: I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, but I was wondering if it would be appropriate to have a section on common grammatical errors. I'm not talking about spelling so much as putting commas, periods, question marks, etc. before the closing quotation mark. We all have pet-peeves, and although it's not always right to correct styles because they bother you, many annoyances are also incorrect. I'm not going to correct someone who uses the British spelling of color; colour is technically correct. However, using the word "two" when "to" is needed is an error that should be corrected. So, should there be a page devoted to common errors? Also, if I am posting this in the wrong place, please let me know. Msmays 20:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Wikipedia:How to copy-edit has that. If not, go ahead and put it in. (I apologize for the late reply.) Best regards.  Song 18:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Errors 

message: We should have a userbox, the one below is an example, it's not a serious attempt at a userbox.
G grammar	This user is a member of Wikiproject Grammar.
Richman271talk/con 23:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Hi guys how are you going? So we've got this article, which failed GA status. However, currently the issues have been fulfilled, except for grammar. I also know that prose is really important to reach FA status. That is why, I'd like to request you all to improve the article, because from the peer review, it is very close to GA and FA status. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Imoeng 05:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it still needs copy-editing, you can ask for it to be worked on specifically here, in the correct section, and someone will get to it. Best regards. Song 21:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit [[Indonesia]] 

message: *Do all the cool copy-editors hang out here?  :-P  I've been working on Sasha (DJ) and it needs an experienced set of eyes to get over a couple lingering concerns from its previous FAC regarding word redundancies and awkward phrasing.  Do you folks help out with this kind of stuff or do you mainly work on articles more desperately in need of attention?  Any help would be muchly appreciated.  Thanks!  Wickethewok 18:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it still needs copy-editing, you can ask for it to be worked on specifically here, in the correct section, and someone will get to it. Best regards. Song 21:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy-editors?

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.   B2T2 13:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Which is more proper: " Selous' Mongoose " or " Selous's Mongoose ?" VGF11 03:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen them both used very often, so it's most likely personal, or in this case Wikipedia's, preference. I don't know if Wikipedia has a specific preference, but if you decide to use it one way in an article, it is then generally considered proper to continue in the same style throughout the article. Foxjwill 23:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper Possessive Nouns 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 18:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Hello all,
The League of Copyeditors has started a participation drive for the remainder of February. If you would like to join or help, visit our project page for more information. Our participation drive aims to help clear the backlog by adopting the following goals each week:
* Select an article to copy-edit from the backlog. After your copy-edit, list the article in the articles ready for final proofread section.
* Select a different article to proofread from the articles ready for final proofread section.
Thanks for your help! BuddingJournalist 09:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:LoCE|League of Copyeditors]] participation drive! 

message: I think there's some testing/vandalism happened on the project mainpage - in the "Articles that need checking" section. I'm loath to edit a project front page being an inexperienced editor, but it looks wrong to me ? Cricketgirl 16:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles that need checking

message: I am having a little grammar dispute with User:TheTruth2. He keeps removing the word "the" from wrestling PPV articles where events were held at the Kemper Arena. He is making it so the articles say "event X took place on date Y at Kemper Arena". I tried giving him examples of why that is wrong (like you wouls say "this event took place at the White House" even though it's technically just "White House"). Could anyboy here help? TJ Spyke 05:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kansas City Star calls it Kemper Arena. KPIX in San Francisco refers to Oracle Arena. The Iowa Stars play at Wells Fargo Arena. There’s no rule that says an arena will always take the definite article, but there’s no rule that says it never will, either. For instance, the Milwaukee Wave play at the U.S. Cellular Arena. Rob Kennedy 04:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: I've been requested to copy-edit a Good Article awaiting Featured Article status.  Is there any special protocol that needs to be followed during/after editing an article of this type? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abernethyj (talk • contribs) 
:Not as far as I know, just moving the article down to the 'Final Proofread' section should be fine. Best regards. Song 19:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA to FA 

message: Kindly help in Copy editing Kaziranga National Park which is currently in FAC. I had put it up in WP:LOCE in April 2007, but still now no one have noticed. I need your urgent help in cpediting the article, as i am not so good in doing it. The article has no other issue but cpedit, i gurantee u that a fine refinement will help a lot. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 06:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have my apologies for the late reply. I cannot copy-edit it at this time, but if you request copy-editing here I'm sure someone will get to it. Best regards. Song 21:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urgent Help for Copy editing [[Kaziranga National Park]] in FAC 

message: Here's a question I've been pondering for a while: I'm a non-native contributor to the English wikipedia. Although confident about the content I add, I often find myself wondering if the English I write might sound stylistically silly or unsophisticated to native readers. My question now is, is it OK to request a copy-edit of my own stuff by inserting the copyedit template or are authors barred from requesting such for their own work, like they're prohibited to remove AfDs from their own work? 
thanks Funkysapien 00:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, of course not. That'd be just silly! :) Asking for a copy-edit is perfectly reaonable. My only note is, there is a substantial amount of backlog (articles needing copy-edited) and your articles may not be edited for quite a while. We will eventually get to them, but if you want it done faster I suggest asking an editor in particular to edit them. Such requests can be made on the editor's talk page. Hope this helped. Best regards. Song 20:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK to request'''Bold text''' copy-editing for you own articles/edits? 

message: Currently there is a civil—yet intense—discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, regarding the verb tense to use in the introductory sentence of Wikipedia articles on products that have been out of production for many years.  Some say that the Wikipedia articles on old model cars or 25-year old cameras which begin with sentences like "The Nash Rambler was a North American automobile produced by the Nash Motors" are demonstrating perfectly acceptable usage for a mass-produced item, even though some of the cars may still exist.  Others say that, because there are still some of these cars still in existence, such an introduction should be replaced with "The Nash Rambler is a North American automobile produced by the Nash Motors"; use of the past tense in such a case, it is asserted, would be grammatically incorrect.  Others do not necessarily reject the use of the past tense in describing automobiles, but state that it is not germane to the subject of articles on videogame consoles.
I think many of us would be very grateful for the advice of persons who not only have no personal interest in these articles, but who also are persons who take really know English grammar and take it seriously.  I am a party to this debate, and have strong feelings about what is correct, but I also know that I don't know everything about writing.  I submit our dispute to your greater wisdom. Unschool 04:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, anyone have anything to say on this?  We'd like some help.  Thanks. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can change tense in this sentence, with the separator "that": The Nash Rambler is a North American automobile that was produced by Nash Motors (not "the Nash Motors", unless you say, "the Nash Motor Corporation) from 1957-1961 etc." Later in the article, there should probably be something like, "Car Collector Magazine estimates that there are still approximately 3,000 Ramblers in use or in collections." -- to justify the present tense "is". As for video game consoles, I have no knowledge of the topic, but if the topic is "Pong is/was a video game produced by Atari, with 2k RAM", well, are there really any still around and operating? Regards, Unimaginative Username (talk) 06:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response.  We came to a consensus on use of verb tense over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines, where in a general sense any subject that was released is spoken of in present tense when describing it in the abstract, past tense for discussing an event in the subject's history, and past tense when describing a subject that was not released.  (Examples: "The NES is a video game console, which was released by Nintendo in 1985.", "Star Fox 2 was a game produced for the Super NES.  It was never released.", "The PS3 is being sold worldwide.", etc.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a brilliant idea! ... hey, wait a minute, that's exactly what I suggested... no wonder it looked so good! </kidding> Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much. :)  I was just pointing out that we came to that conclusion separately. :)  Thank you for the kind response, though. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then it must be correct! :) Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 00:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verb tense on old consumer products 

message: In the following sentence, should it be "compared with" or "compared to": "Unemployment in London is at 2.2%, compared with/to 3.4% nationally"? Epbr123 (talk) 20:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "—Usage note The traditional rule about which preposition to use after compare states that compare should be followed by to when it points out likenesses or similarities between two apparently dissimilar persons or things: She compared his handwriting to knotted string. Compare should be followed by with, the rule says, when it points out similarities or differences between two entities of the same general class: The critic compared the paintings in the exhibit with magazine photographs. This rule is by no means always observed, however, even in formal speech and writing. The usual practice is to employ to for likenesses between members of different classes: A language may be compared to a living organism. But when the comparison is between members of the same category, both to and with are used: The article compares the Chicago of today with (or to) the Chicago of the 1890s. Following the past participle compared, either to or with is used regardless of whether differences or similarities are stressed or whether the things compared belong to the same or different classes: Compared with (or to) the streets of 18th-century London, New York's streets are models of cleanliness and order." Dictionary.com. Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Compare

message: Occasionally I will have to put up with an editor removing the word "the" from before arena names. The most recent case is Survivor Series (1991) where an editor changed it from "from the Joe Louis Arena" to "from Joe Louis Arena". To me that is grammatically wrong and doesn't sound right. The last editor to do this tried to justify their actions by saying we shouldn't use it just because the arena name is "Joe Louis Arena" (although that would be like saying we should use "at White House" rather than "as the White House" since "the" isn't part of the name). Am I correct? Maybe this would finally settle matters. TJ Spyke 05:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The same user has started up again. Can someone please confirm which one is grammatically correct? TJ Spyke 20:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The" before arena names 

message: Hi friends! I've been working on the backlog of articles needing copy edit for the past couple of weeks, and there are far too few of us working on it to catch up with the increasing number of articles tagged for copy-edit. At my last count there were 4,243 articles needing copy-edit, representing a backlog stretching as far back as January 2007, with around 400 articles being tagged per month.
So if any of you are free and feel like helping out, head over to the category page! :) -Samuel Tan (talk) 11:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Massive backlog of articles needing copy edit

message: Hey all! I've been trying to gauge interest in a taskforce or even a wikiproject dedicated to maintaining and working on the category of articles needing copy edit, which has backlog reaching to January 2007. Already there are a few people interested in the idea; if you're interested or want to help, drop a note at my talk page! When there are enough of us interested, we can put up a proposal for the wikiproject and start working out the details. :) Samuel Tan 01:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject or taskforce to deal with the copy edit backlog

message: I was rather alarmed to discover that (using the search string "most populated" site:en.wikipedia.org -User -talk)  over 1,000 articles have this hideous creation. (The -User -talk eliminates talk pages and user pages.)  I've gone through about 100 articles and templates, changing "most populated" to "most populous" and moving the page if needed), but there's still a lot of work to be done. Anybody willing to help stamp out this specific ugliness? Horologium (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Most populated" 

message: The tense in a sentence in the Jehovah's Witnesses article has been changed, with the editor making the change helpfully explaining his reason. I think he's wrong. I can't find any support for his stance in a Google search of grammar websites, or a copy of Fowlers English Usage, but then again I can't find anything that directly supports my preference either.
Here's the sentence as it reads now: "As their interpretations of Scripture continued to develop, Witnesses were told that saluting the flag or standing for the national anthem are forms of idolatry."
I think that because the tense is initially established as past (continued to develop, were told) the following phrase should read "Witnesses were told that saluting the flag or standing for the national anthem were forms of idolatry." It seems awkward and downright wrong for the tense to change mid-sentence.
The editor who altered the tense claimed it was a progressive aspect verb and gave this explanation: "When something (considered to be) absolute (ongoing) is determined in the past, it is still correct to use a present verb, because the subject is always in the present. e.g. Scientists discovered that the universe is big, rather than was. In the specific instance, they decided that anthems and saluting are (always) idolatry, not just that it was idolatry at the time." 
Is he right or wrong? Any thoughts would be appreciated! LTSally (talk) 02:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive past tense 

message: Discussion turns on a point of grammar. Talk:Victoria line#Requested move Ed Fitzgerald t / c 10:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralized discussion regarding requested move of London Underground lines 

message: In reference to this:
Is Hinduism regarded as one of the world's oldest religions?
Or is it simply regarded one of the world's oldest religions?
I was confident when I edited that sentence but now I'm not so sure. EnviroboyTalkCs 12:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarded as... no question. wadester16 03:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "regarded as" 

message: Does one refer to it as the town of Brunswick or the Town of Brunswick? wadester16 03:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I have just discovered a computer program for easier copyediting.  See Intelligent Editing - Cleaner, Smarter, Better Documents.
Wavelength (talk) 03:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PerfectIt (computer program for easier copyediting) 

message: I have some questions and would like input on the use of the narrative present verb tense in Wikipedia article text.  Please comment at WT:MOSBETTER.  —  AjaxSmack  01:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrative present and other verb tense issues 

message: Hey there. When an acronym ends in S (e.g. SAS), would it be SAS's in possessive form or SAS'. Cheers. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acronyms ending in S 

message: Hi,
There is a minor friendly debate to reach consensus about the correct way to capitalize certain terms; as there are few people working on the article, it would really help if a few others could add their opinions, in Talk:Pentecostalism#Proper_names. Thanks,   Chzz  ►  09:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caps/nouns 

message: I find myself being accused of edit waring for correcting "data is ..." to "data are ..."  Please join the discussion in the Hard Disk Drive Talk page; perhaps some folks interested in grammar can help Tom94022 (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Data are plural 

message: People: I've summarized at Talk:Magical girl#hyphenation: "magical girl" and "magical-girl": summarizing discussion for convenience an issue concerning common names, compound adjectives and accepted usage in the articles dealing with a recognized concept in manga/anime.  Perhaps we've just talked past each other, but User:Malkinann and I  would appreciate comments. Thanks.  HoundsOfSpring (talk) 06:42, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  hypenation and [[Magical girl]] articles 

message: You could make spelling proofreading in the section "Awards and honors" of the article "Hebe Camargo"?
The verbal placements which I suspect are wrong are all below in bold:
*1990 — "The face of São Paulo" 
*1994 — “Citizen Paulistana” from the Câmara Municipal
*2002 — "Tribute in Portugal" 
*2007 — "Special Award", for Prêmio Contigo!
*2009 — “Title of Professor Honoris Causa” of the Universidade FIAM-FAAM
*2010 — "Award LIDE 2010" of the Comitê Executivo do Grupo de Líderes Empresariais 
* "Best Interview" of the Associação Paulista dos Críticos de Artes
* “Best auditorium program presenter” of the Brazilian Academy of Letters
These verbal placements are correct? Otherwise, could correct? Gustavo1997 (talk) 00:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:GCE. —fetch·comms 01:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hebe Camargo]] article 

message: WikiProject English dialects? I've been thinking about creating a group of Wikipedians to more-or-less enforce WP:ENGVAR—the standards of allowing different national varieties of English on the English Wikipedia. Responsibilities might include:
*Tagging talk pages of articles with the appropriate tag from :Category:Varieties of English templates
*Requesting creation of/creating editnotices for national varieties of English (e.g. Template:Editnotices/Page/George Orwell bibliography.)
*Patrolling pages to enforce WP:ENGVAR and WP:RETAIN.
*Mediating disputes about English dialects.
*Taking requests for checking pages to ensure that they conform to a national standard (maybe this could also be a step in the WP:GA/WP:FA process?)
*Creating and employing scripts or semi-automated tools to check articles for English dialects (such as User:Ohconfucius/EngvarB.js.)
*Creating, maintaining, and promoting Bable userboxes and related categories for English dialects and grammatical style.
User:Radiopathy is also interested and generally focuses on checking pages for conformance to British English. Would anyone else be interested in assisting with English dialect issues like this? Are there any Australian, Canadian, or South Asian Wikipedians who would also be interested in making conformity for their own national English variations as well? Please respond here with any feedback you have about the plausibility of this proposal or your interest in it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential taskforce or related WikiProject 

message: Is there any relevant WP policy for editors who clearly are not native English speakers and write terrible prose?  I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm in the midst of a content dispute with an editor at International child abduction in Japan and, on top of his POV pushing, I can't always understand what he says on Talk and, adding insult to injury, I am conflicted as to whether I should copyedit his factually POV edits for grammar for the sake of a readable article (so he has something to revert me to) and then rewrite them to be NPOV and accurate (and still readable.) Cybermud (talk) 04:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editors with consistently terrible grammar 

message: I have noticed, just about everywhere on Wikipedia, that periods and commas only show up after a quote mark. For example: Jack said, "I ate eggs for dinner". However, proper convention is to place periods and commas inside the final quote mark. (See http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/01/ rule #5). Thus, proper English would be: Jack said, "I ate eggs for dinner." Sometimes I see punctuation outside of the quote marks on Wikipedia and feel the urge to correct it, but then I remember that it's like that everywhere and my edits will only lead to a lack of consistency. So, why is it almost like an unspoken rule to have improper period and comma placement on Wikipedia? Althepal (talk) 16:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference you gave states that it is describing US English and that other forms differ. http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm describes the difference between US English and the English of UK, Canada and others about this. Let's say: periods go inside but full stops go outside :) I think the right thing to do is stick to the form of English in which the article was first written. Stfg (talk) 13:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I gave wrong advice. See Wikipedia:MOS#Punctuation_inside_or_outside. Stfg (talk) 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commas inside/outside quotes 

message: All the grammar references I've been able to find say that an adverb should go after an auxiliary verb but before the main verb, as in "On Sunday morning he would usually read a newspaper". But I often see things like "On Sunday morning he usually would read a newspaper", including in books by scholarly authors. Please can anyone tell me if this a difference of regional variants, or what? Stfg (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this to Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language Stfg (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adverbs and auxiliaries 

message: There is currently a debate at Talk:A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010 film)#Production: Development regarding whether a quote is incorrectly using "effect". 
Here is the quote:"It's definitely not a standard slasher film. This is a movie that you can mention to people and their jaws drop [...] because of that franchise, that character, had a profound effect on their childhood. [...] I hear things like, 'Freddy scared the hell out of me.' [...] What everyone involved wants to do is re-invent the character for a new generation."
The question is whether "effect" is being used as a verb (to influence) or as a noun. One side is arguing that the word should be "affect", because the statement is implying an influence on childhood. The other side is arguing that the statement is correct already, because it is speaking about causing a change. 
I've looked at various websites (1, 2, and 3), and it seems to always come down to whether the word is being used as a verb or as a noun. I'd really like to get some more opinions on which is appropriate in this statement so that the article can reflect that.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 18:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me second what Tdslk said. -Phoenixrod (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Affect or Effect 

message: So, I'm in the middle of copy editing Exteel, a game that was discontinued a while ago. Following the convention of using the present tense for fiction, it seems better to write "The Mechanaughts are ..." than "The Mechanaughts were ...". But "Players can ..." instead of "Players could ..." just sounds weird, knowing that there aren't any players anymore. Any advice? Thanks. Leonxlin (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense in discontinued video game article 

message: A question has come up pertaining to the whole series of biographies of Canadian governors general: what is the best way to apply the noun suffix "-ship" to the term "governor general"? Is it "governorship general" or "governor generalship"?
The answer, by extention, affects whether it's best to pluralise "governor general" as "governors general" or "governor generals". Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As "Attorneys General" is technically correct, so would be "Governors General."  It follows the the correct application of "-ship" would be "Governorship General."  However, that does look and sound clunky.  Do you really need to use that term?  Ebikeguy (talk) 17:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. When used as a section heading "Governor-General" is fine, and is already common usage. This is in line with similar articles on Prime Ministers, where section headings read "Prime Minister" rather than "Prime Ministership". Pete (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governor general 

message: I've noticed a recent phenomenon on Wikipedia: Using incorrect placement of commas on multiple subjects. For example:
Mix milk, eggs and cheese.
That should be:
Mix milk, eggs, and cheese.
When the former is written, it would be read as such,
Mix milk...Eggs & cheese.
That implies that instead of mixing milk, eggs, and cheese, one would combine 1. Milk, and 2. A mixture of eggs and cheese.
"And" is sufficient to separate two subjects. Otherwise, each subject should have a comma separating it from its neighbor.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.160.92 (talk) 05:40, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commas for more than two subjects. 

message: In the infobox at Matsudaira clan, in the dissolution line, is the phrase "still extant". Isn't this redundant (and a good example of tautology)? Wiktionary, Merriam-Webster's, Compact OED, and Webster's New World all use the word "still" in their definitions. Can I remove "still" from the infobox? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still extant 

message: Is the desk still alive? See Talk:Elizabeth_II#Rewriting_some_lines.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spelling Style (talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elizabeth II 

message: "In 2012 he declined an invitation to play for Bulgaria U-21,but in the next year he is part of the team."
That doesn't make sense to me. – Michael (talk) 21:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like it was translated poorly from another language (I'm guessing Bulgarian). I took a stab at fixing it. Guy1890 (talk) 03:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like there's too many commas. – Michael (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villyan Bijev 

message: Someone just changed this sentence: "This was a suborbital flight which lasted 15 minutes and 37 seconds." to "This was a suborbital flight that lasted 15 minutes and 37 seconds." I don't think there was anything wrong with the way it was. This seems to be a usage (style) issue; is there any grammatical preference for one over the other? Is which as used here in any way unclear? JustinTime55 (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. In this situation, where "Which" and "That" seem interchangeable, you need to consider these 2 general rules:
# "Which" should (in this situation) always be followed preceded by a comma.
# If it doesn’t make sense to put a comma there (just like the situation you presented), then it should be "That".
There are complicated grammar reasons for this, but that’s all you need to know. IWI  (chat) 12:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Very late reply lol. IWI  (chat) 13:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Which" vs. "that" 

message: Hi, I've been editing articles on U.S. Senators and congressmen and I was wondering which was correct.
_________ was a U.S. senator.   or   __________ was an U.S. senator.  The first one sounds better but I'm not sure. Thanks in advanced.  Jamo58 (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that it's "was a U.S. Senator". Guy1890 (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely.  The rule is not: use an before vowels; the rule is: use an before vowel sounds.  The U in U.S., and the u in ukeulele, makes the "you" sound, which is not a vowel sound.  So, we also use "a ukulele", not "an ukulele".But we use "an hour", not "a hour", because "hour" starts with the OW sound, which is a vowel sound.  B2C 20:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A or An 

message: An editor keeps using this phrase over and over for journalists, professors, etc.  Some hypothetical examples: "On Einstein's account, E=MC2."  "On Jay Leno's account, he's sad to have to leave his show." "On Professor's Jones account, all the lions in Africa will be extinct in 40 years."  This just seems like clumsy and confusing grammar to me and there are far more grammatical ways to express the thought which editors use all the time. Thoughts?   User:Carolmooredc  talk  06:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "On Mr. X's account,"

message: Why does wp: active voice redirect to this page?
To comply with WP:R#PLA,
wp: active voice should point to some page that at least mentions the phrase "active voice".
Did this page once mention active voice, but that section was accidentally deleted and needs to be restored?
Is there some other Wikipedia guideline that mentions active voice, and wp: active voice should point at that page instead of this one?
DavidCary (talk) 16:20, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  active voice 

message: Hello, Grammarians!  Is this old Afc submission of any use, or should it be left to be deleted as a stale draft?  —Anne Delong (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Delexical verb]] 

message: I've been using LanguageTool to correct some common mistakes in the Spanish and English Wikipedia. You should take a look at it. Macofe (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  LanguageTool 

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thread_title:  Leaflet for Wikiproject Grammar at Wikimania 2014 

message: ...might be interested in this discussoion. BMK (talk) 07:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members of this project... 

message: A rather coarse one, but another editor and I are at an impasse: Are "cocksucker" and "dicksucker" synonyms for "fellatio"? The discussion is here: Talk:Dicksucker. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 06:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's got to be one of the oddest questions I've ever seen asked on Wikipedia, but when one is sucking a cock or a dick, then one is engaging in fellatio. Hope that helps? Guy1890 (talk) 06:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is odd, but there you have it. Synonyms (slang) for fellatio would be cocksucking or dicksucking. Synonyms for cocksucker or dicksucker would be fellator or fellatrix. At least applying any English 101 class, plus what one can find in dictionaries, to the question. Lightbreather (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You make it sound like Guy1890 has agreed with you on this dispute; I don't see where he has. I've pointed out, with WP:Reliable sources, on the Dicksucker talk page that partial and full synonyms exist and that you are therefore being needlessly strict with how you are defining the term synonym in this case. Flyer22 (talk) 07:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I read what you sourced, and I think you're misapplying those examples to these words' relationship. Also, I don't think I made it sound like Guy1980 agrees with me. First, I acknowledged that it's an odd conversation. Then, since he didn't really say "yes, those are synonyms," or "no, they aren't," I replied to his statement with one of my own (rather than put him on the spot by saying, "hey, you didn't answer my question.) But I am extremely tired now and I'm going to bed. I'm content to wait and see if anyone else weighs in on this question. Lightbreather (talk) 07:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So, it looks like you two are arguing over whether or not the Dicksucker Wikipedia re-direct page should go to fellatio or the dicksucker Wiktionary page? Really?? Guy1890 (talk) 07:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Lightbreather, I don't think that I'm "misapplying those examples to these words' relationship"; you stated that I am wrong on this matter, and your argument seems to hinge on the rationale that "[s]ynonyms can be interchanged." I pointed out, with WP:Reliable sources, that "[s]ynonyms are not always fully interchangeable," and, in fact, that full synonyms (as noted by the 1997 Exploring the French Language source and the 2000 Handbook of Multimodal and Spoken Dialogue Systems: Resources, Terminology and Product Evaluation source) are rare. My contention is that you are being needlessly strict when it comes to the terms cocksucker and dicksucker and their relation to fellatio, and I don't see how you can make me think otherwise on that. As for Guy1980's answer, your "but there you have it" commentary, in addition to the rest of your "06:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Guy1890, again, I have not challenged Lightbreather's redirects or her "send to Wiktionary" argument on these two cases. And yet she has pursued this discussion. A waste of time is what this is. Flyer22 (talk) 08:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave the link to the discussion in my original post. Nonetheless, a reply was posted here and I responded. I don't think Guy or I did an thing wrong. You've given your reasoning for why you think "cocksucker" and "dicksucker" are synonyms for "fellatio." i'm looking for other opinions, if others are willing to comment. If you're satisfied with your input and further input is wasting your time, by all means - move along. I'm not demanding that you stick around. Lightbreather (talk) 14:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly was not implying that Guy1890 did anything wrong. Flyer22 (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question 

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thread_title:  Comment on the WikiProject X proposal 

message: Paraphrased, the last line state "He is the father of Lord Freud". I was about to change to "he was".... but I'm not sure if that is right either? Stacie Croquet (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Walter Freud]] deceased

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message: Could some experts please weight in on Talk:Material_design#Title_capitalization about whether Material Design is a proper noun? Thanks in advance. Thue (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is [[Material Design]] a proper noun? 

message: Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Cougar (slang)#Incorrect and/or improper usage of commas. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 (talk) 10:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of commas at the [[Cougar (slang)]] article 

message: Hi team, do we have any grammar guidelines anywhere? There doesn't seem to be anything in the MOS unless I've missed it. Thanks.Bermicourt (talk) 19:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MOS#Grammar and usage. Thinker78 (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar guidelines? 

message: I recently created a new article album equivalent unit. But I'm actually still confused with its title, as I'm not a native speaker. Google Seach results "equivalent album unit", "album equivalent unit", and "album-equivalent unit". Which one is gramatically correct? Thanks in advance :) Bluesatellite (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help me for the correct title 

message: I propose merging this wikiproject into the GOCE, because this page is mostly inactive and has a similar scope to the GOCE. If you merge you will get the activity of the GOCE and add your content to the GOCE, and avoid redundancies. Thanks, Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 05:25, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple of thoughts: It seems like it would be better to redirect editors to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language, which is active and serves the purpose that this WikiProject was intended to serve. The GOCE's purview, copy editing, is different from helping editors with questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Jonesey. All the best, Miniapolis 14:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I think we need to have both, as people might be looking for any of the two. I'll go ahead and tag this project as inactive for now. Kranix (talk | contribs) 00:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with the GOCE 

message: At the Wikipedia article on semicolons, one of the uses listed is , followed by the example:  There's no source cited verifying this use, so I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable about this can offer advice or cite a reference. I've often structured quotations this way, but using a period instead where the semicolon is in the example above. Is this more or less correct? Thoughts?   Dan56 (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uses of the semicolon 

message: I can't believe I even have to report this, but some editors are seriously proposing using "they" instead of she/her for Alexis Arquette at Talk:Alexis Arquette#Detransitioned?. So if this is done, we will have sentences such as "Arquette is noted for their roles in films, and they were nominated for several awards" scattered throughout Alexis Arquette. MOS:GENDERID is very clear about this: we use the pronoun appropriate for the person's latest self-designated gender. Sundayclose (talk) 01:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a serious proposal to use "plural they" to described a transgender person 

message: I don't know where to start on this! Any bored grammar police can have a field day fixing it up. Equinox ◑ 09:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bellevue murders]] 

message: As per Wikipedia:Basic_copyediting, when using the "Month Day, Year" format you need a comma after the year. But it seems like it would be a lot of commas to do that in a sentence like the following: "I went camping from April 1, 2017, to April 3, 2017, in the Artic." When you are doing a date range like that do you still use commas after the years? Or is there a better way to format that sentence. (Also, can I just say that asking a written question to a bunch of grammar experts is very intimidating. I've written and re-written this question at least ten times...) VoodooEconomics (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Commas in Dates

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thread_title:  Requesting grammar check at [[Jackbox Games]] 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Avel Enukidze#Requested move 1 November 2018.   has requested that the article be renamed to "Avel Yenukidze". This discussion regards possible inconsistencies in the way Wikipedia transliterates names beginning with the Cyrillic letter 'e'. - Radiphus (talk) 07:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Talk:Avel Enukidze#Requested move 1 November 2018]]

message: * Fred lives in Franistan since 1999, after earlier years divided between Zimbabwe and the U.S.
* Fred has lived in Franistan since 1999, after earlier years divided between Zimbabwe and the U.S.
* Fred has been living in Franistan since 1999, after earlier years divided between Zimbabwe and the U.S.
In the lede of a BLP article, which one should be used, and why? The purpose is to convey where Fred lives now, how long he's been living there, and where he's lived before. It's been about a century or so since school . After reading the article about perfect tenses, I'm less sure than I was previously. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Second one. Kranix (talk | contribs) 23:58, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perfect tense 

message: Hello. There is currently a disagreement about a potential grammatical error in the Answers in Genesis article. The current wording of the opening two sentences of the lead section is, 
However, if we study the pronoun 'which', we see that it refers to young Earth creationism, and hence the meaning of the sentence becomes: 
The problem with this statement is that even if that is the intended meaning, 'their' in 'their literal interpretation' refers to young Earth creationism, while in my understanding it should 'its'. There are other obvious issues with this statement, such as that adherents of young Earth creationism still have different interpretations of the Genesis creation narrative (some believe the Earth is flat; others don't), but what I want to establish is that there is at least one grammatical error in the sentence. Can anyone help?OlJa 14:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Answers in Genesis]] grammar help 

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message: The lead sentence for Ned Flanders says, "Nedward Flanders Jr. is a recurring fictional character in the animated television series The Simpsons, voiced by Harry Shearer and first appearing in the series premiere episode 'Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire'". I'm conflicted about the phrase "series premiere episode" in this sentence. Must it be "series' premiere episode" with a possessive shown to be correct? Jason Quinn (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question Ned Flanders' lead 

message: Hi there! I posted this two recent articles of mine (Puelches, La Pampa and San Martín de los Andes) in the Teahouse, so somebody could take a look at them and do some basic copyediting. I know it's not the right place, but I really don't want to overload the Guild of Copyeditors, which does a really great job in my opinion. All I got is a few corrections by experienced users, which I feel it's not enough. 
I'd certainly appreciate if somebody here could read them and make some corrections. It doesn't need to be perfect, since I'm not nominating or so, which would make it a case for the Guild. I just want to make these two articles a little better. I think it's not terrible, but English is not my native language, so that's the thing.
If this is not the proper place to get this kind of help, I'd be thankful if you could tell me where to go besides the Guild. Most likely, I'll have this problem in the future, so I'd like to know Thanks in advance--Gunt50 (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two of my recent articles need some copyediting 

message: Per WP:Pronouns and WP:MOS, article should be written in NPOV and the writer must be invisible to reader. However, this does not implied to the most important articles, especially scientific topics and explicitly use our, us and we. I saw it in articles Universe, Problematic smartphone use and Human evolution. There should be 
grammar checking administrator to eliminate this issue. The Supermind (talk) 20:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What would you call "our universe" in the sentence "in which our universe might be one among many universes that likewise exist." (from Universe)? Christian75 (talk) 17:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why should insert we, our and us? 

message: My biggest Wiki grammar peeve? 
Missing s’s after the apostrophe on a singular noun ending in s.
I know anyone can find plenty of media that are the exception to this rule because Associated Press (AP) guidelines do not mandate an s after the apostrophe for singular possessive nouns ending in s.
However, in an encyclopedia, lack of disambiguation between singular and plural possessive nouns can be much more confusing. 
I’m sure some editors have already decided not to use the s after the apostrophe for singular possessive nouns ending in s. I just hope they are conscious that nowhere in any grammar book is a rule that you don’t form singular possessive nouns ending in s the same way you form singular possessive nouns that do not end in s. They are supposed to be the same. 2601:3CB:480:9600:401F:5617:D43:782F (talk) 04:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at MOS:POSSESSIVE. If you see poor grammar, fix it. --DB1729talk 10:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @DB1729 Thank you for your very informative response! It has been a while, the Manual of Style was EXACTLY the page I was looking for. I will keep this in mind and feel better empowered to make these fixes knowing now that it is both proper grammar and indeed Wikipedia’s own style. 
I will say this mistake can probably found on most every article on the English Wiki. That is why I was so unsure, and clearly not the only one. The manual of style makes it exceedingly clear: ‘s.  Cprice45 (talk) 11:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular possessive nouns ending in /s 

message: Republic of Vietnam Military Forces (twice in the lead). Apokrif (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Apokrif, this is analogous to reference to bands with 'was', 'were'.  MOS indicates that the preference is 'were'. 'Forces' here, as a plural, encompasses all forces, ie., Army, Navy, Airforce, so 'was' is out of place.   Neils51 (talk) 05:08, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Military Forces" "was" OR "were" ? 

message: Hey everyone,
Not a project member (based on my spelling, you do not want me to be...), but have come across the issue of whether "thru" is improper and better spelled as "through".
I tried to find an answer thru some WP's but I found myself going through a wiki-hole and I threw myself somehow into articles about cheese.
If it is a hard-and-fast "through" rule, I'll trust this projects judgment and go Jeff Bridges and abide.
My thanks!
Shortiefourten (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Shortiefourten, 'thru' is regarded as informal and non-standard. Therefore I would say that changing instances to 'through' would not be legitimately challenged.  There are some exceptions (as always), such as quoted material and regular use, for instance 'Drive-Thru' which is quite common usage.  Perhaps it needs to be documented in MOS.  I also searched and couldn't find any reference (not to say that it doesn't exist!). Neils51 (talk) 21:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thru or Through? 

message: 2022–23 Indian State Leagues
i have to try posting here, if any user able to fix article format can help; my edits are sourced but table got messed and local users dont care for some reason. these lower soccer leagues are my long term hobby. thanks in advance 93.140.193.65 (talk) 22:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note