Talk:Hermaphrodite

message: What does the summary of an episode of a cartoon have to do with hermaphrodites when the character doesn't sound like a hermaphrodite?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.229.148 (talk) 06:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Yin Yang Yo?

message: Another possible reason hermaphrodites or intersexed humans are born (especially in cases of simultaneous hermaphrodites) could
be Chimerism.  Other topics discussed touched on the possibility of up to 5 sex genes being present. With the use of fertility drugs on the rise these days, the complications and anomolies seem to compound. Sometimes a zygote is suposed to split into twins and doesn't. In which case you get one of two conditions, Siamese twins or a Chimera, resulting in the presence of four chromosomes.  Being in this example the twins would have been identical, resulting in an XXYY or XXXX sex chromosome combination. Cases of dizygotal or fraternal twins in which one of the ova are fertilized but one of the zygotes produced does not fully or properly develope (chances of cases like these may be increased by in vitro fertilization)the underdeveloped zygote can be fused to the other.  Take into consideration the case of the man with an intestinal blockage and the blockage was found to be a underdeveloped fetus in his intestines.  In some cases one zygote is combined through fusion of the DNA material where as certain parts of the body have distinctively different DNA paterns as if two people are making up one body.
-tiamat5774@yahoo.com-98.170.238.148 (talk) 05:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chimerism 

message: Should the section on sequential hermaophrodism be linked to dichogamy?  Maybe the differences between these should be clarified, as the article on dichogamy seems to be more focused on plants, despite that article citing fish as an example of a dichogamous organism. --Ochotona (talk) 06:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphroditism in animals 

message: "On very rare occasions, such a hermaphrodite can even impregnate itself, but this will result in complications, such as the offspring having identical DNA to its parent. See Simultaneous Hermaphrodites below." 
Not true, such reproductive behaviour would be selfing, not parthogenesis. They would have a genome constructed from a gene pool that would equal no more than the parental DNA. Which would them very inbred, (mean heterzygosity half the parental level) but still quite genetically dissimilar to their parent. 
This article also needs a section on the evolutionary and adaptive consequences of hermaphroditism, with attention given to WHY it arises, etc. (Hermaphroditism is an important case study when considering sex evolution and sex maintenance)
    Ludolud 22:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Innaccuracies about Genetics

message: I removed an edit due to its' lack of encyclopedic value. Discuss. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Freedman, you deleted this disambiguation, but restored the South Park trivia reference (alleged 'hermaphroditism' of a cartoon character). Can you provide a justification? I disagree at this point with both of your edits. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: South Park

message: Anon just added: In popular culture, a hemaphrodite is commonly referred to as a "hem". I have not heard this, nor did that term appear in my cursory research. Discuss. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 12:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "herm" is a shortened form of "hermaphrodite". 24.68.148.215 (talk) 07:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In popular culture, yes, but in correct terms, no. Please see Hermes and Herma - these are herms. I just think if herm is added, write that it's a popular name that can be misleading. Why do you argue against it's meaning Hermes? krisCrash 10:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Hem'?

message: Why is this here? --Ochotona (talk) 06:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jamie Lee Curtis

message: Under the In Animals section, there is some vandalism which is invisible on the Edit this Page tab.
 The article says "In humans, these manifestations are often altered (sometimes only cosmetically) to resemble standard male or female anatomy shortly after birth - often without the parents' knowledge or (informed) consent."
I was just wondering which source was used to obtain this information. And if it is still true that doctors can do this sort of thing without parental consent?
Ambiguousfreak 02:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I think this would be a great edition to the article.  I know the Hermaphrodites were important in the religious beliefs of the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians and that since ancient time in India there has been a social class made up of Hermaphrodites, castrated men, and women who would be identified as Transgender in the West.  They have  a specific name which I have forgotten, but they're believed to have special powers and must live as social outcasts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.63.202.179 (talk) 05:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In India they are called 'Hijra (South Asia)'. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 05:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphrodites in Ancient/Modern Culture 

message: Is there any verification that The Reclining Hermaphrodite sculpture is a Hermaphrodite or is it just a man with Gynecomastia and long hair? I fail to believe Gynecomastia is a form of being Hermaphrodite.71.113.106.92
And why must the article have 3 copies of it? kriscrash (talk) 12:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Reclining Hermaphrodite

message: Why is there nothing about X & Y chromosomes at all in this article? Surely someone has published some research on the sex chromosomes of hermaphrodites?82.6.114.172 14:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chromosomes

message: I consolidated the two separate human sections into one and placed as the first section, thinking that most readers are humans and will want to know about human hermaphrodites more than animals! Expecting someone to say "humans are animals too!" yes we are biologically but not in other senses. If you still object, please change the section title to "Non-human animals". --Ephilei 01:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizing w Human hermaphrodites 

message: contributed this section, which seems earnest but also pretty fatally flawed in clarity and structure. 
:"Those who are intersexed mean they do not contain the reproductive powers of either sex, their DNA is a true anomaly meaning that somewhere in the time of fetal growth they were normally conceived but a sex incriptase mutation produced partial or full features of both sexes, but are infertile. They would however without this DNA mutation would identify with what they appear as or where and how they urinate."
Discuss! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 22:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: An odd anon contribution

message: As see on Gender_symbol the image chosen to depict this article is a transgender one, the correct would be ☿
Since the first is incorrect (and second not informative), I propose perhaps we find a mythic hermaphrodite to add? Or an animal.
We already have 3 versions of The Reclining Hermaphrodite, a bit much maybe?
--kriscrash (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So called "Hermaphrodite symbol" decorating article 

message: Much as I like her, I am getting sick of people adding her on a daily basis to this and the Intersex articles.  Is there some way we can get these pages protected so that only registered users can edit them?  I have yet to see a single WP:RS that states she is intersex - the main reference seems to be on a blog where somebody claims she has stated this somewhere, but that source is unavailable. Mish (talk) 12:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lady Gaga 

message: I thought plants had male and female parts? =o Gray Ninjakoopa 00:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wat 

message: While "Hermaphrodite" is deprecated as a general term for Intersexed people, it is still used in a purely technical fashion to describe Intersexed people who have both ovarian and testicular tissue. "Pseudohermaphrodite" should be reserved for cases of 5ARD, 17BHDD or the like where an apparently (somewhat, mostly or completely) female baby masculinises to look apparently (somewhat, most or completely) male in later life. Such a person is technically a protogynous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodite. Protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodites exist, but are exceedingly rare, on the order of 1 in 10 million.
As regards self-fertilisation, there have been a handful of cases of teratomas in hermaphroditic Intersexed people with PMDS - but none brought to term successfully as there's usually no vagina etc.
Unfortunately, while I'm an expert on the issue, this would classify as "original research" for the most part. While there have been some papers on 5ARD and 17BHDD, and self-fertilisation as a theoretical concept, there are virtually no documentary resources otherwise.
e.g. 17β-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency: A rare endocrine cause of male-to-female sex reversal by Silvano Bertelloni; M. Cristina Maggio; Giovanni Federico; Giampiero Baroncelli; Olaf Hiort. in Gynecological Endocrinology, Volume 22, Issue 9 September 2006 , pages 488 - 494.
Zoe Brain (talk) 06:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I, too, wonder when someone is a valid source! Perhaps if you publish the research online and refer to it, perhaps ask experts of related fields to validate you, so all the paperwork is clear, it will be okay krisCrash 09:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

text: The Japanese word used for "hermaphrodite" is futanari. Futa means "two" and nari means "form/shape". Unless the ships were termed in English, it might be a translation mistake as "futanari" could technical have a double meaning. 
MaverickTea (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphrodite Humans 

message: hermaphroditism.info in the links section describes hermaphroditism as:
a sex development disorder in which a person is cursed with 
seems a bit of a dated opinion and certainly opinionated should this link stay?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.158.249 (talk) 02:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link hermaphroditism.info 

message: Male and female have their symbol, why doesn't hermaphrodite have its symbol (here-http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Another_hermaphrodite_symbol_bg-color-FFEEDD.svg/397px-Another_hermaphrodite_symbol_bg-color-FFEEDD.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Another_hermaphrodite_symbol_bg-color-FFEEDD.svg&usg=__M9C9ujZdbpR-N2V7I4reBmuDuSw=&h=560&w=397&sz=20&hl=en&start=17&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=6DjPyfkTQuydDM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhermaphrodite%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1)
Maybe you can find a better version? 89.240.33.190 (talk) 18:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphrodite symbol 

message: This article doesn't seem to address one of the most popular myths about hermaphroditism out there - that human 'hermaphrodites' exist - i.e. it is possible to have a fully formed penis and vagina at the same time, and that those organs look typical. As I understand it, this is completely false, and that intersex people with both external organs, tend to have ambiguous genitalia, and that they don't look like a penis and vagina as imagined. Perhaps this could be added in a more explicit manner somehow. 90.217.185.124 (talk) 10:27, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphrodite Misconceptions 

message: Some technology-related articles, mostly ones concerning cable connectors point here, but use of word 'hermaphroditic' in this context is not explained in article. Anybody care to correct? I may be unable to find correct sources/literature.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.38.130 (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Uses other than biology/medicine

message: Taken from Article Hermaphroditus: 
"Hermaphroditus, the two-sexed son of Aphrodite and Hermes (Venus and Mercury) had long been a symbol of bisexuality or effeminacy, and was portrayed in Greco-Roman art as a female figure with male genitals" 
The article calls Hermaphroditus two-sexed, however then goes to say he had only male genitalia which is contradictory to the "two-sex" statement. I am sexually a male myself, with Gynecomastia (not Psudo-Gynecomastia) I could easily be called a Hermaphrodite by Greco-Roman ways, but not today's more modern-err ways. I wonder why the definition has changed and the word Hermaphrodite is now being used in error. I think someone is creating articles based solely on opinions rather than facts, because something isn't adding up. 
50.47.140.236 (talk) 13:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistency in articles 

message: The article claims, with referance to an internet resource, that the word hermaphrodite is derived from, quote, “the Greek Hermaphroditos a combination of the names of the gods Hermes (male) and Aphrodite (female).” This is at best imprecise. The Oxford Dictionary states the word’s origin to be the following: “late Middle English: via Latin from Greek hermaphroditos (see Hermaphroditus)” (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/hermaphrodite?q=hermaphrodite). The fate of Hermaphroditos is interesting, “the nymph Salmacis fell in love [with him] and prayed to be forever united [with him]. As a result Hermaphroditus and Salmacis became joined in a single body which retained characteristics of both sexes.” (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/Hermaphroditus?region=uk).
It must be mentioned though, that according to Richard Buxton (The Complete World of Greek Mythology, Buxton, Thames & Hudson, London 2004/2010), Hermaphroditos was a bisexual offspring of the aforementioned Aphrodite and Hermes, “whose bisexuality consisted of having a fused male/female body complete with both sets of genitals”.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CannedMan (talk • contribs) 20:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of the word “hermaphrodite” 

message: So ive a relative that was born Female, but wants to become a Hermaphrodite.
Is this even possible, and if so what would this be called if not Hermaphrodite?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkfox (talk • contribs) 06:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  born Female, but becoming a Hermaphrodite? 

message: Greetings,
This is a controversial and delicate subject area for the world; however, I offer web pages that answer questions regarding this area.  Please visit:  mcmillinmedia.com and edgarcayce.org.
The McMillin website requires one to have a very open mind as hermaphrodites have been with us since the beginning of time.  Go to the right side of the page to access "The Atlantis Project" then go to "Sex in Atlantis".
Loribach (talk) 16:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermaphrodites 

message: Doesn't give clearly the prevalence of hermaphroditism in humans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:D95B:2CF7:77F9:B35B (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not medically informative or synthetic 

message: Clinically, medicine currently describes intersex people as having disorders of sex development, a term vigorously contested.[23][24] This is particularly because of a relationship between medical terminology and medical intervention.[25] Intersex civil society organizations, and many human rights institutions,[26][27] have criticized medical interventions designed to make intersex bodies more typically male or female.
Controversy regarding current Nomenclature and definition ought to be put in a separate section, Not be included in the center of a scientific statement, causing confusion and discord. This article is on a scientific topic, not a political one. Leavng this paragraph as is seems to imply that the Scientific community is incorrect and must fix current nomenclature; if such is truly being stated, it must be placed in a separate "Controversy" Section, not be slipped in nefariously as a fact.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.50.131.41 (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Controversy or Political Discussions or Statements being inserted into a purely scientific article? 

message: Can hermaphrodites be considered a third sex? 24.150.196.3 (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A third sex? 

message: I have added a paragraph listing some instances from fiction. This is based on some former members of categories deleted here, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_6#Category:Fictional_hermaphroditic_species. – Fayenatic London 14:01, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In fiction 

message: I noticed that this article cites intersex society of north America and Webster's Dictionary from 2011.
I have some issues with for one Webster is a dictionary not a biology encyclopedia or a report written by biologists and ISNA is merely a political group. They aren’t exactly a medical or scientific organization.
Yes I get Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy but let's not pretend all sources know what they are talking about. CycoMa (talk) 22:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problematic sources 

message: I’m gonna see if I can fix the section on humans. I’m also try and fix many areas in this article.
I’m also gonna mention things like mixed sexual systems.CycoMa (talk) 21:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human section needs work 

message: Some of the sources in there are from partisan sources. Also I’m having a hard time finding sources that directly say it was used for gonochoric species. I’m gonna try and do research on this and try to fix somethings up in this article.CycoMa (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partisan sources 

message: I’m gonna try my best to expand on the evolution of hermaphroditism.CycoMa (talk) 03:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution of hermaphroditism  

message: The current (11 April 2023) article say that "Sequential hermaphrodites can only change sex once." However, the reference says, "... the sex changing event is limited to only once in the life time[sic] among the sequential hermaphrodites. On the other hand, it may occur more than once in serial hermaphrodites ..." (Italics mine.) The current article does not mention serial hermaphrodites, and seemingly uses the term "bidirectional sex changers" instead, but includes them among the sequential hermaphrodites, thus directly contradicting itself. So, should we add "serial hermaphrodite" as a category? In either case, we should break out the serial/bidirectional ones from the sequential, yes? IAmNitpicking (talk) 12:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it needs to be clarified.Plantsurfer 12:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serial vs. sequential hermaphroditism 

message: The final sentence in the lede makes a scientifically false claim: "The usage of the term hermaphrodite to describe intersex people is considered to be offensive, and it is also scientifically incorrect as hermaphrodism does not exist in humans (emphasis added)."It does not take much searching to find many examples in published scientific literature to the contrary. To cite just a few examples: "True hermaphroditism" by Walker et al, published in the Journal of Pediatrics & Child Health (abstract: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1440-1754.2000.00432.x), "True hermaphroditism—the importance of ultrasonic assessment" by Pires et al, published in the journal Ultrasound in Obstetrics & Gynecology (full article: https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/uog.1928), True hermaphroditism with bilateral ovotestis: a case report" by Bergmann et al, published in the International Journal of Andrology (abstract: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2605.1989.tb01297.x), "Syndromic true hermaphroditism due to an R-spondin1 (RSPO1) homozygous mutation" by Tomaselli et al, published in the journal Human Mutation (abstract: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/humu.20665
Having said that, it is useful to differentiate between the popular image of what a hermaphrodite is (someone who presents with an obvious penis and vagina), and the scientific understanding of hermaphrodism. I propose that the sentence be re-worded to reflect this. Bricology (talk) 11:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There can little doubt that it is possible for individuals to have ambiguous phenotypes. These individuals have been referred to as hermaphrodite, however the definition of hermaphrodite used in this article is "a sexually reproducing organism that produces both male and female gametes". The use of the term "true hermaphrodite" in the articles you cite is in fact false by "our" definition, since it cannot be compared with the true bi-functional hermaphroditism of snails, for example. Has there ever been a verifiable instance of a human individual that is/was functionally capable of producing verifiably viable eggs and of bringing a fetus to term and at the same time capable of producing viable sperm and of siring offspring? Plantsurfer 17:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  False claim that hermaphrodism does not exist in humans 

message: Pseudoheramphroditism is now an outdated term in medical literature, so should it be removed?  2d32d23ff322 (talk) 01:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Pseudohermaphroditism be removed?