Talk:MapleStory/Archive 5

message: So far it has not been confirmed wether or not to remove this. MapleStory DS is not released yet and should not be in the article. Also, it should be part of the version section. It's annoying to start reading this and then all of a sudden it jumps to a completely different thing.
69.214.223.104 02:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maplestory DS 

message: I have read this article and I am amazed by how it is structured and how it flows. It's even so persuasive that I am downloading Maplestory as we speak.
Thanks HybridCreations
I take it this is a clever way of critiquing the article for positive POV?--24.50.17.95 22:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article 

message: Recently, a person, 219.75.107.97 to be exact, has been removing this website. The website has power filtering, has extensive information, and more. So if you see this site or any others removed, please readd it.
Also, I suggest that major guidelines for the fansites are to be significant sites, sites with information, or sites with a huge userbase. -- 68.78.148.16 03:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I'm not exactly sure what this argument is about -- what's going on? Are we debating whether mapletip.com should be included in the external links? Luna Santin 06:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent removal of the MapleTip website. 

message: As listed here at the moment, there seem to be two issues of contention. The first concern is whether or not the MapleTip website is worth including; specifically, does mapletip.com steal information. The second concern is whether or not User:Mapletip is "using underhand methods to remove other websites" from the list of external links. I think that the first issue should be dealt with here on the talk page in order to achieve some consensus. To this end, would all editors agree to immediately cease adding or removing this website's link from the article, with the understanding that a long-term consensus can then be reached and the link appropriately added/removed if necessary? Does this sound reasonable? Any thoughts? --PeruvianLlama(spit) 07:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I submit that whether or not User:Mapletip is practicing underhanded deeds to promote some websites above others, is an issue for another time. It's important, but I think it's more important to stop the revert-warring as soon as possible. It would be helpful if you would explicitly state your problems with the mapletip.com website - then perhaps those who feel the site should be included, can respond to your objections in a reasonable manner. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 07:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It would help then if you would re-state the issues then, just in a more compact form. What I'm trying to get at here is exactly what quality of the mapletip.com website you think disqualifies it as being linked from the article, and why exactly you think this. Once your position has been clarified, then everyone can respond to it in a much more reasonable and structued manner, and we can get away from this business of just throwing accusations and IP addresses around. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 07:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please present them in point form. 219.75.107.97 is apparently accusing 68.78.148.16 of spamming by adding MapleTip, and also of removing other sites from the external links list. In addition, 219.75.107.97 should be blocked for violating 3RR, and edit-warring. I recommend both 219.75.107.97 and 68.78.148.16 create an account. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In response to J.L.W.S. The Special One:  219.75.107.97 is trying to co-operate in resolving the dispute, so there's really no need for a block at this point. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  In response to 219.75.107.97: I have read the section you mentioned, however much of your criticism therein seems aimed at User:Mapletip. To resolve the immediate issue, I'm looking for you to re-list your primary concern(s) with the website itself (mapletip.com) and why it should not be listed. If your only concern(s) is/are with User:Mapletip, then the external link to mapletip.com should be re-added, and you should follow another dispute resolution method with the user in question. If you have specific concerns about the website, I think it would be fine if you just listed them in this section; no need to create another one. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If you stopped responding, there'd be no more war for us to deal with, and I could do something better than humouring some anons. Please avoid making personal attacks on Mapletip. List your concerns in point form. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Personal attacks will not be tolerated. I am genuinely trying to see your side of the issue here. If you do not want to outline it in any clearer than saying mapletip.com is "... a site full of duplicated info", then I think consensus is very clearly against you. Please, state your thoughts, or drop the issue entirely. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Third Opinion on the MapleTip website 

message: This talk has become too long, I suggest to archive it seeing how the old archives are.. really short.
--Mapletip 14:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- Prod-You 16:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello, 219.75.107.97. I see you have returned from your block. I'd just like to remind you to assume good faith and refrain from making personal attacks. Please try to seek and respect consensus on this talk page, instead of constantly reverting and possibly getting blocked again for violating 3RR. I suggest you create an account and try to resolve this issue through the dispute resolution process. Now, please relist the reasons why MapleTip should be delisted, in point form, without making personal attacks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I have never pretended to be an admin. When I referred to your "possibly getting blocked", I meant I could easily call in an admin to block you. I only wanted to request MapleStory be semi-protected due to an edit war between two anons and vandalism by other anons; then I somehow got dragged into the dispute. What I posted was simply a gentle reminder about Wikipedia's policies, and some helpful links. If you really want to resolve this, you should follow the dispute resolution process. If you persist in making personal attacks, vandalizing my user page, and disrupting Wikipedia, I'll report you to an admin, and you'll get blocked again. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello 219.  The only complaint I have with MapleTip (website) is that it started out as a copy of hidden-street without a reference (which in turn was a translation of A drop of maple which they did reference).  Oh, and they have MapleWiki which is a competitor to the book I'm working on.  Apart from that, they have a huge community and a lot of info on the site making it a very useful resource, which makes the site fairly useful.  Whatever MapleTip's (user) actions were are irrelevant to what goes on the main page. I think these are the concerns you wanted addressed so if you have any problems please post.  Also registering is quick and helps the rest of us out so we can tell you you are; my memory sucks for numbers >.>.  -- Prod-You 21:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive this Talk? 

message: I took a long break from Wikipedia in general during the summer, but I'm back, and will be working on this article. With that said, is there anything that specifically needs attention? Meanwhile, I'll be focusing on less-significant details, such as;
*Enhancing sentence fluency
*Removing 'strategy guide' information (information only players would take interest in)
*Creating a universal format for the article
*Neutral Tone
The Captain Returns 23:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm back on the project. 

message: There is a spot in the article about Mapelstory France. That version DOES NOT EXIST and was created by a 3rd Party other than Wizet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 00Quick00 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Declined. This changes needs a consensus from fellow editors first. Uncomment the editprotected tag when you have an agreement. --   Netsnipe  ►  10:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no separate "Maple France".  There is only Maple Europe (according to the official website).  From the website: "There are 10 channels available. Two channels will support all languages, and two channels will support each available languages." They are not separate "servers" (such as MapleGlobal is separate from MapleSea).  The client can be installed in french, or 4 other languages.  However, the client, and servers are the same for all of Europe.  What you are suggesting is that there is a Maple Canada since it is a part of Global, which there isn't.  There is a MapleStory France website but that is simply an information website which links back to MapleGlobal.  And be warned when using the "Common Sense" argument; Common sense is not very common.  -- Prod-You 23:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No it doesn't, only MapleStory Europe exists, which has french only channels. -- Prod-You 14:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editprotected 

message: It's been a while now, I'm sure the vandal has stopped, I think it's best if we should undo the semi protect. Mapletip 03:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please wait a few more days before lifting semi-protection. His block has recently expired, and it remains to be seen whether he will continue posting here or vandalizing my user page. If after a few days we hear nothing of him, we can lift the semi-protection. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been 5 days, I think that should have been long enough.  -- Prod-You 04:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to unprotect? 

message: I am wondering about the new free market pass.(hired merchants)
How many items do they allow people to sell?
Thank you
Cabd33 04:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The hired merchant 

message: I won't review the same article for GA twice, but I will give some opinions regarding the article:
* The prose, by and large, is good enough for me. Sure, it could stand a copyedit, but so can a million other articles.
* "Though the 2D graphics don't give players the best sense of realism, it's an important part of MapleStory because it allows each game area to be larger." It's an odd, opinionated statement. It implies realism is always a good thing, and I think relative sizes are hard to compare. A mention of the anime-styled characters (a staple of Korean MMO) would be a better subject here.
* The controls section only seems to be there as a vehicle for an unsourced complaint ("...some complaint from players..."). It's already established the game uses keyboard and mouse, so it seems redundant.
* In ranking: "their level and percentage." Percentage of what? If it's percentage to next level, just say "experience", and maybe mention the lack of level caps.
* Not sure why RuneScape is being compared to in the death section. MMOs handle death differently; any two will do it differently.
* Sometime reading this article it occured to me that the article is , clocking in at 62kb. I definitely think some sections can be scaled back (Monster skills, looking at you).
* Lastly, as usual, you can never have too many citations in the criticism section. 
Hope that helps a bit with your ongoing efforts to achieve GA. Nifboy 02:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got rid of the 2D graphics bit, and added a sentence about the chibi style to the intro.  Changed the wording in the controls section to get rid of the complaint.  Got rid of the mention of percentage completely, its not as "specific" but the information is still there.  Finally I cut down the monster skill section.  I would agree with getting rid of the RuneScape reference since its RuneScape that does things differently from all other MMO's not MS.  Most of them (that ive played) involve EXP loss, but item loss doesn't seem as common.  Not sure how many citations we can get for the criticisms section, since most of them tend to be within forums.  Thanks for the help Nifboy. -- Prod-You 04:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Commentary

message: This article is very misleading as to what happens to the hacker when they get caught. When you get caught hacking, your acccount gets banned permanetly along with the email address. IT DOES NOT BAN IP ADDRESS. Thus, you can create another email address and restart your account.
:Do you have any proof? Mapletip 20:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know specifics about what this user was talking about, but I am certain that most people who get banned, just start a new char, so it probably isn't by IP. -- Prod-You 21:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Banning is not done by ip address. I know this because I have personally been banned before, and I simply made another account with a new email address. ers35 20:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hacking 

message: I say we should semi protect this article for 2-3 weeks simply because everyday there are at least one vandal that vandalize this wiki and it's always an IP address. Semi protecting will better guard this article from misleading people. Mapletip 03:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've only recently put this article on my Watchlist and already I've had to revert more than a couple vandalisms. It's honestly getting out of hand. KojieroSaske 04:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had this on my watchlist for over a year.  Vandalism is annoying, but a lot of the additions tend to be from ip's (cleanup is typically registered users).  There's at least 4 or 5 of us who watch this page, so I don't think its necessary to protect it. -- Prod-You 14:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Although you watch it, you are not going to mother this topic 24/7. Some people will be reading this and sometimes people vandalize small things but cause a lot of misleading information. Since it's mainly the people using IP addresses, I suggest we should semi protect it for a while and see how it goes. Mapletip 21:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Term Semi Protection 

message: Why does Dark Knight re-direction to this article?? There is no reference to any Dark Knights in it. Shouldn't Dark Knight re-direction to something like Bat-Man? :p --207.119.3.152 11:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be a disambig page, so converted it back to that. -- Prod-You 15:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: 4th Job Spearman. But it isn't that useful yet anyway. The Captain Returns 22:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Knight re-direction?? 

message: and perhaps a banner saying that u play maplestory
: Do you mean a userbar? I have one if you want to see it in my profile.
And how is this necessary? There are userbars all over the Internet, you just ask for them. 
MapleStory is also just one of the many MMORPGS out there. I don't see why MapleStory has to have its own Portal, if that's what you mean. The '"First"' Doll 11:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a portal 

message: I felt that this particular section contained information that was too detailed to be included in an encyclopedia article. The section went so far as to describe the name of a publicly released hack, as well as the name of a website where hacks are promoted. The paragraph was heavily biased and contained too much unnecessary information. I have reduced it and rewritten it from (I hope) a neutral point of view. Just to let you guys know what I did. Kalani [talk] 08:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed it up some more, I personally think that some of it should be removed and probably shortened to simply 1 paragraph. Mapletip 03:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game issues section 

message: Anyone know the way to access to Thai Floating Market? I am just curious and want to know. OhanaUnited 03:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thai Floating Market 

message: Since the addition of several Asian MS worlds in KMS a few weeks ago, none of those maps are considered "exclusive" any longer. Do you suppose it would be prudent to affix a Star label onto the MS versions which those updates were originally designed for?
:My suggestion is to remove it. It isn't very encyclopedia like. Mapletip 23:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's relevant and encyclopedic  to say which version had what first. 130.95.106.154 02:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Exclusive" content re-evaluation 

message: I think this should be removed and put in a "See also" section. Maplestory DS has nothing to do with Maplestory the pc version. Mapletip 03:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree.  The two games are of the same kind, but as the DS version is yet to be realeased, i say it should not be included, save maybe 1 sentence at the bottom saying something along the lines of the fact it is in development.  Cabd33 04:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maplestory DS 

message: What is this? with other games, you don't see the company name on the title. I strongly suggest changing back to "MapleStory".---Lancerex6 13:27, 03 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the move. It was a silly idea by whoever did it I think. enochlau (talk) 04:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wizet: MapleStory 

message: It's called Mapledestinies.com It isn't too informational, but It's got everything I have made having to do with maplestory on it, such as screen shots, comics, my stories, and the bios of the characters in my story. There is absolutely no cursing on my site, and no inappropriate things.
:Sorry but fansites are listed for specific reasons. The ones we currently have are there because they are very useful as references. They are not put up for promotion of any kind. Your site doesn't have much that can really contribute to the article, so it's best not to list it. KojieroSaske 23:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Maple Story Fansite Unmentioned 

message: I find that the Maplestory article is explaining much more than it should. This article is turning into a walkthrough/game guide of every little detail in the game, and that is unnecessary. The article should only cover the main points of the game, and not everything such as "Maplestory slang". That is irrelevant to the gameplay, and is very insignificant, such as many other things in this article. I know that many people want to improve this article by contributing much information, but please, to an extent. Could we fix this in any way? xminivann 22:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article may contain unnecessary small details, but its not turning in a walkthrough/game guide. I've removed the requirement for making a guild, for it is unnecessary.Lancerex6 16:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article growing redundent, too long. 

message: Someone edited the version content and put a tick in the KoreaMS section for Thai Floating Market. There has been no information released regarding to this area in the KoreaMS official website. Is there any evidence of this area release?Lancerex6 14:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe KoreaMS Tespia has Thai Floating Market now as of version 1.2.64. Takiten 22:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Thai Floating Market available in KoreaMS? 

message: Why? I am aware that the Thailand version of maplestory recently got "Jipang", but they are calling it "Zipangu". Shouldn't we just leave the name "Jipang" instead? The Japanese version clearly calls it "Jipang" when you translate it to English. Takiten 19:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well now, mSEA is getting "Zipangu" now too, and they are going with that name instead of Jipang. I suppose this changes everything... Takiten 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: its called "Jipangu" in msea. Freescoring 17:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is called Zipangu, what with the Zi sounding like a J. Tenryuu 03:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jipang renamed to Zipangu??? 

message: I heard when Jipang (Zipangu) came out on KoreaMS via the World Tour NPC, they did not get the Yakuza Town (Showa Town) area. Should this be specified on the main article/world article somewhere? Anyone know if KoreaMS has the Showa Town area yet? This needs some investigating. Takiten 22:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Showa Town is not released in KoreaMS or KoreaMS (Tester). -- Darknshadow 03:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Showa Town not released in KoreaMS? 

message: Many things in this article needs citations, needs updating, and of course needs to be in a good article shape. Last time I checked this article, it was good. I come back a couple weeks later and I've got bits of HTML sticking out. Let's get this article back to what it's supposed to be. Mapletip 03:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is very incorrect