Talk:William Marks (Latter Day Saints)

message: This section cites repeatedly to Quinn, whose narrative it largely follows. Quinn was excommunicated from the LDS church, and reflects a likely non-NPOV. This section needs editors to review other sources on the facts and rewrite with NPOV. Examples of NPOV-vio interpretations presented as if they were facts include "Furthermore, while apostles had authority in unorganized parts of the church, they did not have authority in the stake of Zion, Nauvoo" and "However, church succession in Nauvoo revolved around one central issue: plural marriage" - Reaverdrop (talk/nl) 20:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have every relevant source in front of me right now, which is why I opened this discussion on the talk page rather than making any change in the article for now, hoping others would come forward with more info. On a different note, you seem to have referred to Clayton's journal repeatedly as the ultimate source, but there doesn't seem to have been any critical discussion of the reliability thereof or comparison with other sources. And, I have read (long ago) some critical reviews of Clayton's journal and its reliability, and I seem to remember there having been some significant issues there. Whether or not we have references to one historian with a Ph.D. from Yale, it only makes sense to try to bring in works from more than one historian and more than one primary source. The mere fact of Quinn's excommunication isn't dispositive of anything, but he has had his share of scholarly criticism (see e.g. from another Yale-trained historian, though one certainly with his own agenda). Our goal here isn't to stake out "a reasonable historical interpretation", it's to represent the facts with as neutral a POV as possible — two goals that are, to some extent, mutually exclusive. - Reaverdrop (talk/nl) 00:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV-Vio in "Issues with Apostolic Succession" section 

message: I'm suggesting the DAB term be changed from "(Latter Day Saint)" to "(Latter Day Saints)" per common WP usage for individuals involved in the Latter Day Saint movement. See, for example, William Smith (Latter Day Saints), Martin Harris (Latter Day Saints), William Law (Latter Day Saints) and others. I think the proposal is fairly non-controversial and more of a housekeeping change than anything.Snocrates 23:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: This article is dominated (9/14) in the inline citations by a single work . We need more variety; isn't there any other academic references on Marks? -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: References

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message: The initiation of William Marks to the Freemasonry is unsourced. Despite this, the website churchofjesuschrist.org (archivede here) states that "In December 1841, 18 Mormon Masons organized a lodge in Nauvoo. Joseph Smith and 40 others applied for membership the following day. On March 15, 1842, Illinois Grand Master Mason Abraham Jonas granted a dispensation for the organization of the Nauvoo Lodge, installed its officers, and initiated Joseph and Sidney Rigdon to the degree of “Entered Apprentice” in the upper-floor space above Joseph’s Red Brick Store." 
The two copies saved on the Internet Archive aren't yet avaiblable. Lastly, the name of William Marks isn't explicitly provided. Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasonry