Talk:A Series of Unfortunate Events/Archive 1

message: By the way, this is a steampunk series.--☺ 01:15, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
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I removed the following line:
:"The names of just about every character come from somewhere, like Nero, Sunny and Claus Von Bulow, and much more."
What was its intended meaning? —Rory ☺ 23:58, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
::It means that the name is based on a preexisting person. Nero, for example, is based on a emperor who played his instrument while Rome burned.--CyberGhostface 01:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There is the secret of Olaf's tattooed ankle and the organization V.F.D.
So is Olaf a deletionist, then? 82.92.119.11 11:56, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the article heading "Trademarks" to "Recurring themes". Perhaps there's a yet better way to word it, but I doubt they are registered as trademarks. -- Infrogmation 20:27, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademarks 

message: I share the anon's enthusiasm for SoUE, but this isn't a review site - judgements like "an oustandingly good page turner" aren't appropriate here. Plot summaries of the individual books should probably go on those individual pages, preferably with a spoiler tag. --Calair 22:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed anonymous edits 

message: Hi, Wikipedia newb here...I think that a list of ASUE's many literary and historical references is in order...I've referred to it over on Esmé Squalor, but there are many more (the Baudelaires themselves; the Queequeg; all those poets in Grim Grotto; Vice Principal Nero - a violinist, by the way, which makes it more significant; the Poes - Edgar and Albert; Georgina Orwell...I could go on). Let's try pursuing this, eh? Oh, and by the bye, this is a great resource, or jumping-off point, or something...
-IvanP
:That page is very interesting—I particularly enjoyed th'explanations of Sunny's proclamations of "Busheney!" and "Etartsigam!", which I'd entirely missed. Still, he is also lists many alternative ideas that may very well not be references. [This page] is a bit more concise about it, tho left me wanting more.--Signor Giuseppe 21:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary and historical references 

message: I had earlier written that Uncle Monty was th'only exception the Baudelaires' long history of ineffectual guardians. Recently Hector found himself as an exception as well, but his skiddishness in the face of the village elders is basically a carbon copy of Jerome Squallor (who was afraid of confrontations, mostly with Esmé) and Charles (who didn't want to upset SIR). They all follow in the mold of Aunt Josephine who was, of course, afraid of everything. SIR and the elders themselves just weren't very nice, while Count O and Esmé themselves actively sought the Baudelaires' harm. Uncle Monty, on th'other hand, was kind and caring, and was even suspicious of Olaf's disguise, tho ultimately not for the right reasons. Still, he's th'only exception to the rule.--Signor Giuseppe 20:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardians 

message: I removed the line about "Beatrice is Snicket's sister." It had no punctuation, and since it was never mentioned in that less-than-awesome bad example of the series we call the movie, I assume it to be a subliminal message.
...she's Fiona's mom, man. --Doug teh H-Nut
: I think that what we, in the trade, call vandalism. Sad, but it happens. --Celestianpower hab 22:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Subliminal vandalism, mind you. But vandalism. --Doug teh H-Nut 3:28 PM EST Monday, Sept. 19
I've finnaly figured it out! Beatrice was actually C.M. Kornbluth's (The Slippery Slope, U.K. Version, Chapter Nine,Page 193) wife! --Mathematical 16:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snicket's sister? Ah, inbreeding 

message: In at least 10 of the SOUE books (I'm in the middle of the 11th, so I wouldn't know about it), their is at least on library used by the orphans, and a list should be added to the artical. --Wack'd About Wiki 03:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libraries 

message: There is now a Wikicity for all things Lemony Snicket. We are currently working on very few articles and very few editors so any help would be appreciated and we hope to see you there! --Celestianpower hablamé 20:53, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://snicket.wikicities.com/wiki/Main_Page A Wiki of Unfortunate Events] 

message: Interesting - can we have an example? TheMadBaron 15:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "strange and specific similes" 

message: If no one minds, I've deleted a couple of questions answered in PP:
*Who was the man with no hair and the woman with no beard?  Corrupt Judges
*Who is the father of Kit Snickett's baby?  Dewey Denuoument
Also, is is save to say the father of the orphans is named Bertrand?
Which orphans do you mean, my good sir? I do believe there are quite a few in this series. --Doug teh H-Nut 03:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Penultimate Peril

message: Maybe I'm grabing at smoke, but themes are very obvious, especially in the later books (The Hook-Handed Man actually says one outright in Book 11 and the Baudelaires' pleading with Count Olaf in Book 12 stresses it).  This article, however, says there are no moral lessons in the book even though the underlying struggle is entirely about morals.
Also, most of the questions in the question section weren't even hinted at in the story.  Sure, we could ask a million questions about connections that might be, but there's no hint of Mr. Poe being in VFD, for example.  Also, in the section obove mine the editor says "Who is the father of Kit Snickett's baby?  Dewey Denuoument."  I don't recall that being said ever. -Anonymous reader, 10/22/05
It is never said outright, but Dewey Denouement's last word is "Kit", and Lemony says that he left "the woman he loved pregnant and distraught." They also share quite a few of the same lines. --Doug teh H-Nut 03:08, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this article accurate?

message: I thought I should run this past the Wikipedia ASUE community before I go editing 12 articles - would anybody mind if I changed "The Recurring Themes" headings on all the book articles to something else? I'm not sure what yet.... maybe just "Cover" or "Appearance" (better suggestions are welcome). I understand what's intended here, but "Recurring Themes" is misleading, as the "themes" covered aren't what would normally be understood by the term in the context of a series of novels; "themes" in this context would normally refer to the content of the text, and since each cover is different, the details don't really recur. TheMadBaron 16:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Recurring Themes" 

message: I've just come across an article, Hugo the hunchback, from Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortnate Events, which (if useful) will need to be renamed and incorporated here. Just so you know.. - N (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hugo the hunchback 

message: Much as I hate to add to an already long list of ASUE articles, I think there might be an argument for a piece about the sugar bowl. It's appears to be a central theme, and some references make no sense without context.
(Eg: "The main entryway has one bare light hanging from the ceiling, a stuffed lion's head nailed to the wall, and a bowl of apple cores on a small wooden table. This is noted to be the sugar bowl."
from Count Olaf's Castle 
TheMadBaron 12:37, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of writing an article about it previously. The problem is that every single bowl that appears in the series will be listed as 'possible sugar bowls'. Still, the 'Vessel For Disaccharides' probably does deserve an article. How about The sugar bowl (A Series of Unfortunate Events? smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 12:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, that was why I headed this "The sugar bowl (A Series of Unfortunate Events)", but up until now, I had no idea what "Vessel For Disaccharides" referred to.... now I think Vessel For Disaccharides would be a better title.... we could link it to the entry on List of VFDs, and point all other references to the sugar bowl to it. TheMadBaron 12:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there should be a sugar bowl article, but not that it should be called Vessel For Disaccharides - the title should be what the subject of the article is normally referred to as (probably The sugar bowl (A Series of Unfortunate Events)), since in the books it is normally referred to as the sugar bowl. Of course, that could change with the final instalment, but the article can be renamed when Book the Thirteenth comes out. CLW 13:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Vessel For Disaccharides would be a good redirect, but it is only mentioned briefly, and as a title, would make the article seem more difficult and scientific than Sugar Bowl (ASOUE). And like CLW says, if Sugar Bowl is inadequate, we can move it. The other (nitpicky, I know) question is should it be Sugar Bowl or The Sugar Bowl? smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 17:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  Okay, I concur with your reasoning. Scrap the Vessel For Disaccharides. (Shame, though.) The would usually be dropped, unless it's an essential part of a title, and I don't think this counts. Go with Sugar bowl (A Series of Unfortunate Events), then? TheMadBaron 18:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could we not just expand the section ofg V.F.D.? --Celestianpower háblame 18:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I created a article just before I noticed your comment. I think the item is a fairly major plot-element, and as such probably could have its own article. Still, the article is pretty 'stubby'. Incidently, is there an ASOUE-stub template? smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 18:37, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The sugar bowl (A Series of Unfortunate Events) 

message: We have two, identical (apart from a small formating difference) articles at Esmé and Esmé Squalor! I've turned Esmé into a redirect of Esmé Squalor. smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 17:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Esmé]] and [[Esmé Squalor]] 

message: ANOUNCEMENT: A new WikiProject on A Series of Unfortunate Events has been launched. Please see it here!!! --Celestianpower háblame 19:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject 

message: ...I need help! What has happened to www.unfortunateevents.com and its forum? I can't believe it could just disappear with all its members! Damn Christmas, I should have logged on.
--159.134.55.212 00:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: unfortunateevents.com was the UK equivalent of lemonysnicket.com. Checking my UK copy of Penultimate Peril, it doesn't mention unfortunateevents.com. I guess they decided that there was no point running both, and they decided to just let the license expire. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 10:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It was deleted because it was unencyclopedic and didn't belong here. CLW 11:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: If anyone wants to form their own opinion on whether or not I need an "attitutude adjusment" (sic), please check User:HighwayCello's edit history... CLW 19:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: If the above two lines are aimed at me, this isn't the place to discuss it. Sound off on my talk page if you still don't agree with my actions - not here. CLW 17:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I know this is off-article, but....

message: Isn't Beatrice the Baudelaires' mother?  In the Ersatz Elevator, when Esme Squalor threw the children back down the shaft, said that she wanted to take something from Beatrice, the way Beatrice took something from her (most likely the sugar bowl).
--Radaar 04:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatrice 

message: Discussion about the suggested merge is on the V.F.D. talk page. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 21:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VFD Merge 

message: I removed the play on Snicket's writing style.  Though this is clever enough, self-referential parodies do not belong at Wikipedia. Atropos 04:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening line 

message: I checked Snicket's site and found this out.
According to a puzzle I found, secret #13 about Snicket is "he is finished", but I don't know if he was referring to himself. Random the Scrambled 17:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  You might want to know this 

message: The article describes the books as taking place in a "fantasy world." Not so! The Wide Window makes a specific reference to the US Postal Service. I would hazard a guess that the series takes place either in England or France, with most signs pointing to England (Justice Strauss' title, a marshy area on a road outside the City pointing to Essex as the setting for The Reptile Room &c.).
:There are background references in the books that indicate the world they're set in has some major divergences from ours. The Unauthorized Autobiography refers to the Duchess of Winnipeg, for example.  Strephon 00:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting 

message: ....CHILDREN'S book series? 216.37.227.202 00:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gernre

message: Would Pictures liven this article up? Like the Logo for the books (or film) User:zeldamaster3 20:05 22June 2006 (UTC)
:We can't use fair use images for livening up. --Philosophus T 00:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures?

message: Just edited the following:
*Is Lemony Snicket that mysterious cigarette man in TPP? This didn't need to be on the list twice.
*Despite the death of their parents and the "series of unfortunate events" they have endured, the Baudelaires seem to suffer few psychological effects. However, in The Penultimate Peril they did begin to wonder if their actions made them treacherous or not. This was changed in the film. This sounds like TPP was among the books the film was based on, which it wasn't. 213.249.135.36 20:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, someone's put the duplicated question back. Whoever's doing this, it's already on the list! Just look a few places up! 213.249.135.36 19:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 6 Aug 

message: To the anon users who keep on adding their amateurish freewebs pages onto the links...stop. I hope I don't need to explain that they have no place on the article nor do they add anything.--CyberGhostface 14:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan sites 

message: The first of the three were just put on  Snicket's Site. It's known as "12 Books in 120 Seconds" and should be put up here.
I had a question on it, though. When 'Lemony Snicket' (Tim Curry) quotes, "...In fact the phrase, 'Physical Education,' like the phrases 'Frozen Fish,' 'Fashion Statement,' or 'Salad Bar,' takes one perfectly pleasant word and spoils everything by placing it alongside a distinctly unpleasent one," what do the initials being erased (TCB) under Lemony Snicket stand for, if anything? That should be likewise noted, either way. --71.109.37.168 17:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Vile Videos 

message: Shouldn't this page list the awards that the series and individual books have won? I'm sure they're won something. Clamster5 21:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find any then by all means post it.--CyberGhostface 21:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary Awards 

message: ..between books one and 12 overall? Has anyone tracked it so I don't have to? Will post if I take the time to find out, but it seems to me that each individual book is never more than a couple of weeks in 'realtime' and the books are absolutely sequential, so the whole series must occur in substantially less than a year. Does that sound right to others? Richardjames444 23:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much time elapses? 

message: Could somebody please fix up that table? It's ugly, and it stretches the page. Removing the pointless fields "Library" and "Snicket's letter at end" would help a lot. TheMadBaron 19:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it should just be moved to a seperate article, so people who want to see all these facts quickly can go there to check. Also, the field "Library" isn't pointless, the different library encountered is usually a major part of each book.Pacaman 20:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did the change I just mentioned and created the page Summary of novels in A Series of Unfortunate Events, but someone readded the table and removed my link. I'd change it back, but I'd rather not be involved in an edit war. Pacaman 20:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: I wish people wouldn't revert without explanation. I left a note on this discussion page in reply to the table explaining I was moving it to Summary of novels in A Series of Unfortunate Events. My edit was reverted. I also made a change to the ASUE template by splitting up the other section into more organized parts, as well as leaving a note on the discussion, and it was reverted. Why were they reverted? Pacaman 21:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem to be back now... maybe my computer was just acting wierd.Pacaman 21:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts 

message: The themes section seems kind of limited.
One theme that I've noticed is the gradual loss of clarity between good and evil. I think this could even be the most outstanding theme in the books... as the series progresses, right up to the very end, the Baudelaires increasingly doubt their beliefs about who and what is noble and who and what is wicked. They reflect more and more about the tradgedy they themselves have caused, and upon how there is always a bigger picture of what seemed terrible at first. It seems like there's a lot of almost explicit symbolism that nothing is either black or white, as the Baudelaires lose their innocence all the way up to the conclusion. Did anyone else notice this as a theme? 65.96.209.236 01:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes 

message: This is a suggestion for all the entries in the Series of Unfortunate Events. All the books in the series contain tons of great literary allusions, such as the names of all the patients in the Hostile Hospital or castaways in The End, as well as catches of poetry, etc. However, I believe The End is the only entry that contains a comprehensive section of literaty allusions. Perhaps we should start to construct similar sections in the entries on the 12 other books. I will pitch in, maybe even start a couple sections in entries on the books I remember best, but I'm sure there are a lot that other allusions other people can provide that I forgot or didn't catch in the first place.
Please sign your name with four tildes (~) on talk pages. Thanks. Clamster5 23:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary Allusions 

message: Of course many of Handler's themes are expressed in his choice of character and place names. But I think Literary Allusions deserve their own section in this article. That will decrease the amount of interpretation - original research - in the Themes section. Ronstew 15:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating Themes and Literary Allusions 

message: I propose that this section be removed. It is hard to maintain as there are in infinite number of unanswered questions in the series. (What is the bald man's favorite color?, What is Violet's middle name?, Does Lemony Snicket enjoy cashews?, What is Klaus's favorite book?, What are Edgar and Albert Poe's grades in school? etc.) Also, this section is prone to edits by unregistered/new users who put in questions that either are answered fully or partially already or are not of much importance to the series. If no one disagrees, I'll take out the section in a few days. Clamster5 00:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unanswered Questions 

message: As there is a "recurring themes" tag on the "related books" articles, which says wheteher or not there is an "ex libris" and other things in the book, shouldn't this be on the normal books pages as well?
: It is now, apparently.--Orthologist 20:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't there be... 

message: It is important to remember that Lemony Snicket is not merely a pseudonym for Daniel Handler. Snicket is a character in the books, with his own interests, motivations, agenda, prejudices and style. Frankly, I think that all the related articles should be examined and edited with that in mind. Ronstew 15:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handler or Snicket? 

message: shouldn't the box-set names be included ,with a smaple picture of what they might look like? (The Compelte Wreck has a good cover).  also, there are bigger images for TPP (US) and TE (UK), and clearer pictures for TEE (US) and TEE (UK) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.1.6.209 (talk) 01:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box Sets 

message: Currently the information in this section doesn't qualify here and instead only allusion. It needs expansion. Snowynight 15:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting Daniel Handler's writing style 

message: As much as I agree that Olaf is an evil man, calling him as so is still somewhat opinionated. Wouldn't it be better to say 'in the author's words, Count Olaf is an evil man'? Mrmoocow 06:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better still to show that he is portrayed as evil, giving examples (preferably ones described in external reviews).  Superm401 - Talk 06:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil man 

message: Don't post the Article Improvement drive to the article; it's only supposed to be on talk. Superm401 - Talk 06:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AID 

message: Please, who removed the box at the bottom of the page that links to other ASOUE pages? Uioh 02:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed in one of the vandal edits. I've replaced it. It can be put onto a page using the coding  Clamster 02:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ASUE 

message: I noticed that the movie section says this: "Also, Silberling is quite unhappy that the filming process took seven months instead of the seven weeks in which he claimed he could shoot the movie." This is taken from an external article that got its facts wrong. In the original interview, Silberling said it was a very taxing 7-month shoot for him, and that he's not sure he'll be on the second movie, because he'd rather make a more intimate movie that wouldn't take more than 7 weeks to shoot. He never said he would make ASOUE2 in 7 weeks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.70.12.179 (talk) 10:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie shoot 

message: I think that they should make a second series. maybe reveal some secrets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.55.247 (talk) 00:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:CRYSTAL. This is speculation, and not even sourced. If there are speculations by notable persons we can include them, but we can't speculate ourselves.--Orthologist 18:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2Nd series 

message: The forthcoming March issue of PMLA (Volume 122, issue 2) will have an article by Laurie Langbauer entitled "The Ethics and Practice of Lemony Snicket: Adolescence and Generation X." Awadewit 03:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will this article be available online? Clamster 01:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scholarly sources