Talk:Armero tragedy

message: A source citation is needed for the following segment:
"The explosion of the volcano was not the main cause of the disappearance of Armero. The Lagunilla river had been blocked for more than 2 months, when considerably smaller eruptions of the Arenas volcano had melted part of the Ruiz mountain. As a result, the Lagunilla ended up looking more like a lake than a river.
The Nevado del Ruiz Volcano eruption swept away Armero.The night when the volcano exploded, a gigantic ice rock from the top of the mountain fell into the Lagunilla river, creating a megatsunami of mud, ash and water..."
I can't find any confirmation of this sequence of events anywhere on the web or in textbooks.  Would greatly appreciate if someone could direct me to the source of this information.  Lack of citation casts doubt on the validity of the passage.Paablo 06:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant Ice Rock? 

message: This speed is unusually high for this type of event.
rylincoln (talk) 14:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that claim has been here since 2005. Given the other concerns noted above, I've decided to replace much of the material here on the lahars with the relevant portion of our Nevado del Ruiz article. This is a bit light on the effects on Armero, so will need some expansion, but it's certainly well referenced. -- Avenue (talk) 08:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  300mph? 

message: I hadn't forgotten about this, things just kept appearing on my watchlist. I'll list issues here if I don't think I should change something myself.
*"Finding a "horrible"[3] landscape of fallen trees, disfigured human bodies, and piles of debris from entire houses, the relief workers were horrified": there's a repetition of horrible there. I think the first instance is unnecessary and can be dropped; the details about debris and disfigured bodies speak for themselves, and the emotion of the relief workers wraps it up and makes the same point. Nev1 (talk) 23:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The source doesn't seem to have the local time, and I'm clueless as to how to figure that out by conversion. I know Colombia's in the UTC-5 zone... ceranthor 14:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a shame. I think local time would make more sense as you get an idea of what would usually be happening locally. UTC tends to take things out of context. I think it would be ok to convert UTC times, but it might be a good idea to pose this question to a wider audience. Nev1 (talk) 14:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just asked a friend of mine who's a geologist, and he provided a link. Let's hope it works. ceranthor 14:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be fixed! ceranthor 14:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: * Looks like this has been addressed. Just wanted to say so so those new to this article would know. Awickert (talk) 06:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Agree about the air temperature. The water/mud itself (according to one source I read, the TIME article in the external links, I think) started cold and then turned warm as the volcanically heated water arrived. Presumably the mud cooled over the following days. Carcharoth (talk) 09:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: *Why is "Bogotá" used in some parts of the article and "Bogota" in other parts?
**Some people have the key on their keyboard for the accent, others do not.
::Actually, everyone using Wikipedia has access to diacritics, etc. Just look at the Special characters section of an edit page.VirtualDave 13:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an inconsistency, nothing a little fine-combing can't fix. I guess that second phrase is just worded poorly. ceranthor 02:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comment in the section below. We definitely do not say that lahars from Ruiz could reach Bogotá, but that does seem to be how people are reading it. --Avenue (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogota 

message: *"An eruption of sufficient force could reach as far as Bogota"  This statement must have been made by somebody unfamiliar with Colombian geography.  In order to reach Bogota, an eruption from Nevado del Ruiz would first have to fill the entire Magdalena river valley to a height of 8,000 feet, as that is the elevation of Bogota, which is on the opposite side of the Magdalena from Nevado del Ruiz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.208.220 (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *It says "an eruption", not "a mudflow". This is expanded on the "Legacy" section, as follows: "A large eruption would have more widespread effects, including the potential closure of Bogotá's airport due to ashfall." Feel free to reword it if you think it is unclear. --Avenue (talk) 10:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *I removed the sentence about the effect on Bogotá of a future eruption because I thought it was somewhat irrelevant. This article is about a tragedy where thousands of people died from lahars, and to me the possible disruption caused by the closure of the airport at Bogotá is not even worth mentioning in this article. It is of course worth mentioning in the article on the volcano itself. If anyone doesn't agree with my reasoning, obviously they can undo my change.VirtualDave 08:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogotá 2 

message: *One thing I thought wasn't mentioned when I first read this article, was: what happened to the town? Was it rebuilt, and did the survivors move back? My questions seem to be answered in the article Armero, but it would probably improve this article if it was mentioned here too.VirtualDave 09:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath

message: Is 'Amero tragedy' an appropriate name for the page.  As an encyclopaedia it is not really for us to label something as a 'tragedy' as this is subjective by any measure. Mtaylor848 (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was universally established as a catastrophe. Besides, the Armero tragedy is the name assigned to it by the media. ceranthor 00:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipolicy, per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Neutrality_in_article_titles. According to this policy, "Sometimes that common name will include non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. the Boston Massacre or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper noun (and that proper noun has become the usual term for the event), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue.". - 74.136.47.182 (talk) 11:14, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The following coordinate fixes are needed for
armero tradgedy
map sites --at least wikimapia-- currently go to the new town a couple miles to the north.
the actual disaster site which is in a ruined state is near the river to the south.  
the wikimapia SHOULD point here:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9616672&lon=-74.9061584&z=12&l=0&m=b
or closer in:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9636126&lon=-74.9049139&z=16&l=0&m=b
one can see the outlines of 'ghost' roads still.
please adjust other map site links as needed.
—Cramyourspam (talk) 03:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: — TransporterMan (TALK) 19:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: :The event was a foreseeable catastrophe exacerbated by unawareness of the volcano's destructive history; geologists and other experts had warned authorities and media outlets about the danger over the weeks and days leading up to the eruption. (¶3)
The authorities and media knew, so who was unaware? The people who lived there, who became its victims. I'm changing it to "the populace's unawareness". --Thnidu (talk) 23:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  unawareness? 

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message: The second para states " ... sending four enormous lahars ... down its slopes at 50 kilometers per hour ... " — but the third para under the sub-heading Eruption and lahars (under heading Eruption (1985)) in the article on Nevado del Ruiz has this: "The lahars ... ran down the volcano's sides at an average speed of 60 km per hour ... ". 'Average speed' clearly implies that some were even faster than 60 km/h. Can these two articles be made consistent? [And can "km/h" be used rather than "kilometers per hour" and "km per hour"?]
Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lahar flow speed 

message: The 6 billion in the info box is unsouced and disages with this W.E.F artical wich sites the ecomic damage at 1 billion.the info box should be ammended to reflect this  Roma enjoyer (talk) 12:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, the page isn't protected so you could make the changes yourself. The 6 billion figure was also mentioned in the Impact subheader but the corresponding source only supported 1 billion. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 13:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Property damage wrong figure