Talk:Korčula

message: I've moved the article to the modern name and updated other old names in the article text. It looks like it was pasted from an older material, perhaps one of the encyclopedias? --Shallot 15:27, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! The "one" is Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911, which I recommend to you in fact, plus about a dozen details lifted from various websites by Googling and subsequently converted in my usual way by working them seamlessly into the elegantly modernized rewritten text. Check Encyclopaedia Britannica to see how brilliantly this has been accomplished, but don't fail to let me know if any antique wording has escaped my editorial net. Better also check Fernand Braudel, The Mediterranean in the Age of Philip II for lifted ideas. "Korcula" applied to historical Curzola is confusing to the educated reader, but its entry redirects here.  Wetman 16:37, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the old names should be properly included, though for the sake of easier geographic orientation in the modern world, the names used in the last couple of centuries should be primary, rather than the medieval ones :) I've added a few more modern details and will probably add even more later. --Shallot 16:50, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: I found a touristic site with detailed history Wetman 17:20, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: Tomislav ruling Korcula? But how come??? --PaxEquilibrium 22:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomislav? 

message: Shouldn't this article be split into "Korčula (island)" and "Korčula (town)"? It currently has two different subjects.--Húsönd 14:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but not yet. Too small. --PaxEquilibrium 22:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to bring Wikipedia’s attention to questionable historical information pertaining to the Island of Korcula and the former coastal Principality of Paganija in today's modern Croatia. The article concerned is in the section of Wikipedia (English Version). Historical facts are being presented here which appear to be formulated using unscientific methods. 
Wikipedia States: “Accordingly, the population of the island in the early Middle Ages was described as being in the same group as the Neretvians of the coastal Principality of Paganija (the land of the Pagans)”.
This article uses the information describing the population of the Island of Korcula as being the same as that of the Principality of Paganija which clearly is not the case. With this statement it infers that Korcula was inhabited only by Neretvians with no mention of other groups. These issues are important and these statements should be backed with some scientific fact. There is no reference point to confirm this (is it just a statement?).
To my knowledge there were people there from the former Roman province of Dalmatia. I would draw your attention to the existence of Roman ruins on the Island of Korcula at Poplat, Potirna, and two locations in the field of Vrbovica just to name a few. These predate the arrival of the Neretvians by several centuries. There is a church named “Our Lady of the Field” located on the Blato Field that has Roman Floors that place its beginnings in the 4th century. There is evidence that the Town of Korcula was established before the arrival of Slavs/Neretvians in the area. 
In the article there is no mention of the Italianic descendants who inhabit the Island of Korcula. These families settled there during the Venetian Republic days.
Wikipedia States: After the 9th century, the island became a part of the Serbian realm. 
There is no reference point to confirm this statement. One can assume the article here must be using the information written in the book "De Administrator Imperio" by Roman Emperor Constantine VII Progenitors (Byzantine Empire) as it's reference point. The historic information in the De Administrator Imperio has long been know as questionable, contradictory and should be treated as such when concerning the referencing information about the people in that region. While other sections of this book have been regarded as genuine by respected Historians. 
By using edited sections of De Administrator Imperio the reader comes to the conclusion that Slavic people of that area are of Serbian decent which clearly is incorrect. This makes De Administrator Imperio a questionable source of historic information about this region. There are other discrepancies in this document such as two chapters telling two different versions of the arrival of Croatians. The sections about the arrival of Serbs seem to be identical to one of stories telling the arrival of Croatians. The chapters read as a retelling of the migration pattern of same peoples as if the author lacked historical information and used it as a template. One of the chapters also used mythic Croatian narratives as fact. Also De Administrator Imperio is describing events that took place three centuries before it was written. With this in mind, information in De Administrator Imperio concerning the Island of Korcula and it’s relation to Principality of Paganija can be put in serious doubt.
Why hasn't other information been represented from that period of history, such as the historical perspectives from the other Chronicles written in that period. Historical perspectives from the Venetian Republic, The Vatican, Republic of Ragusa (Dubrovnik), Medieval Kingdom Of Croatia and of course the most important of all the people themselves who live in that region.
Due to the very nature of the Internet and its place in society this misleading information can be used in the future as a propaganda weapon. One can only recall the recent former Yugoslavian Wars and how much pain, misery and death it brought.
One should also ask why is Wikipedia using poor historic scientific methods and is it representing politically biased interests?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.59.195 (talk) 07:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Island of Korcula & Principality of Paganija 

message: Hello there! Sir Floyd here. I’ve actually found the original reference from where the Arneri Family information came. It was written by a British diplomat & writer from the 19 century called Andrew Archibald Paton  (1811-1874).  It’s on page 164 to 165 from his book "Researches on the Danube and the Adriatic" and here it is in its entirety.
:"Close by is the palace of a certain Signor Arnieri, the principal landed proprietor of Curzola, to which I was taken by a gentleman of the town to whom I was recommended. The palace itself, of Venetian Gothic, is sadly dilapidated; but such an edifice as a Contarini or a Gradenigo might have dwelt in. A superb bronze knocker, representing a Hercules swinging two lions by their tails, adorned the door; and entering the courtyard, the marble draw-well, on which was cut three pears, the arms of the family, and the minutely fretted windows of the crumbling halls, reminded me that Curzola had for years supplied the timber for the wooden walls of Venice, and had been another favourite station of her fleets. Signor Arnieri, a polite gentleman, with white neckcloth and broad-brimmed hat, did the honours with the courtesy of the old school. 
:“ These three pears you see on the wall,” he said, “are the arms of my family. Perussich was our name, when, in the earlier part of the fifteenth century, my ancestors built this palace; so that, you see, I am a Dalmatian. All the family, fathers, sons and brothers, used to serve in the fleets of the Republic; but the hero of our race was Arniero Perussich, whose statue you see there, who fought, bled, and died at the siege of Candia, whose memory was honoured by the Republic and whose surviving family was liberally pensioned; so his name became the name of our race. We became Arnieri and ceased to be Perussich”.
:The Sobborgo, or suburb of Curzola without the walls, is kept alive by shipbuilding; and being situated on the neck of the land that connects the town with the island, it has wharfs to both bays. The boats of Curzola are still renowned on the Adriatic; and those of the Company of the Austrian Lloyds are built here. Timber and labour are both cheap and vegetation is rapid; for no sooner is a wood thinned than it grows again with great rapidity.
It seems to me the writing is actually referring to the Venetian Republic not the Republic of Ragusa (as stated in the Wiki article -Republic of Dubrovnik) when it’s read in its entire context. 
The quote from the book goes "All the family, fathers, sons and brothers, used to serve in the fleets of the Republic" & "Arniero Perussich, whose statue you see there, who fought, bled, and died at the siege of Candia, whose memory was honoured by the Republic". The battle or the Siege of Candia was fought between the Venetian Republic and the Ottoman Empire. This would indicate that he fought on the Venetian side. 
The quote continues  “whose memory was honoured by the Republic and whose surviving family was liberally pensioned”. The Republic here is referring to the Republic of Venice. Mr Perussich’s family would have been honoured by the Republic that actually engaged the Ottomans in the battle. Furthermore in the chapters there is no mention of Republic of Ragusa (Republic of Dubrovnik). Would like some feedback on this please? 
Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just knew it! --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hello DIREKTOR! Sir Floyd (talk) 03:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Hello! Whoever you are... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 09:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arneri Family of Curzola 

message: Good morning, I am afraid that the section about transport is outdated. I was looking for ferries to Korčula and so far I know there no ferries from Rijeka and Bari anymore. Also, I have been told by Linijska Nacionalna Plovidba that there is no ferry from Drvenik anymore. I only know about ferries from Split via Hvar and to Lastovo. --Zik (talk) 08:33, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated transport information 

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