Talk:Riddick (character)

message: If someone could insert a picture of RIddick, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --PunkRock911 16:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: There was a one-shot Sci-Fi Channel Special shown just prior to the release of Pitch Black the Movie.  It stated that weeks prior to Riddick's escape he drew a picture detailing the locations of four bodies that were discovered after his escape.  It is suggested that either Riddick is some sort of pre-cognizant or that he is just that skilled in the studying of routines and behavior.  No one in the article or the discussion has mentioned the Sci-Fi channel special which provided much additional information which may or may not be canonical.
70.137.143.101 00:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but I'm not sure you can call it precognitive; the introduction level in the very beginning of Butcher Bay shows this: Riddick "dreams" of killing Johns and then escaping through the sewers to another location, all under the cover of night. But when he wakes and they land at Butcher Bay, we realize this does not happen; it's not even night. Also, he deduces almost exactly what happens in the fight between the mercs and prison guards in one of the scenes of The Chronicles of Riddick just by examining the room where it took place. I don't think he's precognitive; I think, like you said, he's just skilled "like that," as they say.  BishopTutu 00:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Try not to post idle banter on the Wikipedia talk pages. I don't mean to sound uptight or anything, but, like the talk header states, this is not a forum.  BishopTutu 18:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't say you were, but you have to understand: Wikipedia isn't a place just to discuss the subject of the article. If you're going to post a message in a talk page, let it be about a specific piece of info rather than just saying "how cool" the subject of the article is.  BishopTutu 05:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sci-Fi Channel Special 

message: I find it pretty interesting that the Quasi-Dead in TCoR called Riddick "The Riddick," as if it were some sort of title....Hmmm, maybe there is more to his name than we thought. If someone with knowledge of Dark Fury and the novelization shed some light on this, if all possible. BishopTutu 01:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it's simply because the Quasi-Deads are terrible with proper nouns. --Koji 08:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they use names in the proper tense; they say someone's name in the normal sense, but I can't recall who. That's the main reason why I brought it up. Even then, in the Director's Cut, the Purifier even refers to him as "the Riddick," although it's still debatable whether DC exclusive info is considered canonical. I realize now that it may not necessarily be a title, but, rather, a famous Furyan bloodline, or something to that effect.  BishopTutu 08:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: actualy i think it comes from the profecy about the furyan child that would kill the court marshal and take over but i could be wrong I will look into it and if im right ill add it to the article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by T man1993 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The" Riddick 

message: First off, we can't even consider Shirah's "unlocking" scene to be canonical since it was only in the director's cut; the only true, verifiable incident of the "energy attack" is in Butcher Bay, in which Shirah doesn't touch him at all. Though she does talk to him, she never touches him like she does in the "unlocking" scene; for all we can gather, Riddick does this seemingly completely on his own, without Shirah's "unlocking." Even more so, Riddick (after doing the attack) simply tells Abbott, the only surviving victim, "see? Look at what you made me do," simply brushing off the incident. If you wish to get even deeper, because Riddick simply brushes it off, we could possibly infer that Riddick could have done this before, at least accidentally.
In the end, we can't use the director's cut as a verifiable source (at least on this subject) until further notice (that is, if the next film uses director's cut-exclusive information).  BishopTutu 03:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait your saying that we can NOT believe what the director put in the Directors cut is canonical, but instead in a game some company has made on a license?? that really dont make any sense since the movies are more canonical than any comic, game or cartoon can ever be, since he is actually invented in these movies. Your facts are based around things in games, and hence bias to that point, its like me saying that Riddick should have blue hair because he might have been presented like that in a cartoon, and using that cartoon to claim that the movies and games are uncanonical, your logic is faulty, sorry. Sneaking Viper (talk) 04:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy Attack 

message: (riddick him self was a merc once...)
Riddick was an elite Company Ranger assigned to Sigma Galaxy's planet where all vital resources are guarded by native nasty-butt aliens with motion-sensors instead of eyes, It was Riddick and three other guys' job to "sweep" the tunnels of the "Spitfire" aliens (that's what they called them)playing like a live bait, so the others can ambush them.
Riddick was promoted to the prestigious Strikeforce Academy on Sigma 3's moon, where he learned all there was to know about deadly combat.(college of professionaly trained-killers)
when he was assigned to enforce security on Sigma 3 Riddick finally discovered that this Company was running a crooked game everywhere it operated. He found that it was basically amoral slavery, torture, and bloodthirsy murder, so he spoke out against it, but instead of changing the system from an inhumane, crooked organization they put him in the prison ("Deep Storage" as the book puts it) as if he were a criminal. He was wronged! Wronged by a big government (so to speak)!
But he escaped before 3 years were up. He overpowered a guard (sounds like Riddick alright, lol) took his uniform and "slipped free." He had to shoot two guards and a pilot. He "took off with the prison planet's only space freighter. The Company promply put a million-credit contract on his head" 
Now a "cosmic outcast" he had every merc "in the space lanes" after him. Riddick took them out one after the other and they tallied them up as his "serial killings."
Johns had been the smart one. He blasted two children to get his attention and threatened to do two more unless he surrendered.  83.130.125.81 15:14, 23 December 2006 UTC
:We can't use this information for Wikipedia; if it's not in any other verifiable source, then we cant use it. That's what happened to the "Necromonger Way" article: though most of it was true, because it was only in the novel, we couldn't use it.  BishopTutu 18:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find in another outside source, one that we can use as a reference, then you can use it. In the meantime, we can't.  BishopTutu 16:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Like I said, you have to have an outside source that we can reference. All of that information is in the same boat with the novel info: if it's not in an outside source, we can't use it. The same exact thing got the Necromonger Way page deleted.  BishopTutu 19:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Where is this information located?  BishopTutu 20:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Is this an official piece of info, or fan-made? If it is official, prove it.  BishopTutu 20:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Crap, all of it. Is it official-made?  BishopTutu 20:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What is the web address?  BishopTutu 20:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed your recent statement; no offense, but try to maintain talk page etiquitte. Remember, its not a forum or messaging room. But regarding your finds on this flash movie-thing, I'm going to look over it and see what we can add. It is the official site, so I guess we can use it.  BishopTutu 20:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh no, i meant no offense. And as for clarifying sources, Wikipedia isn't about guessing or using your instincts; It's essentially an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias have verifiable information. Also, I don't think we can use any of that info on the Pitch Black flash movie; some of it is already stated and some is either retconned or insignificant.  BishopTutu 21:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Some of the info pertaining to the minor characters of Pitch Black, and other smaller stuff. I do find somewhat interesting the info and screenshots detailing the "eyeshine operation." I'm not too confident on the fact it may not be relevant enough or not contain enough info. BishopTutu 21:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's about facts man. The fact is, regardless of why he did it, is that he killed people.  BishopTutu 22:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The prophecy stated that he was going to be killed by a Furyan; it was specific. The whole reason the Lord Marshall waged war on Furya was to kill all the Furyans, thereby preserving his like because there would be no one to kill him. He doesn't want to be killed at all, regardless of who or what they were.  BishopTutu 07:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's purely your opinion though. Wikipedia isn't a place for your opinion. I'm not trying to be rude. I'm merely stating a fact. Plus, if you pay attention, you can notice that the physical form always follows the astral, regardless. He didn't chose to be killed by Riddick, because if didn't know Riddick was there; the look of surprise on his face before dying supports this.  BishopTutu 16:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Please don't add nonsense to talk pages. If you don't have an actual articulated response, please don't post a message up, then. I'm not being uptight; it's the rules. Try to remain classy please.  BishopTutu
sorry my mistake,well i agree partly on that the necro's boss says 
"you not the one to bring me down",but the necro's boss dosen't
seems so suprised when he gets skull-knifed, what other people told you about this dramatic moment? 84.228.9.169 20:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, he does look at Riddick with surprise when he attempts to escape before he is stabbed. Mind you, it's not an exaggerated or overdone look of surprise, but it's suprised, nonetheless.  BishopTutu 21:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Because Shirah's "unlocking" incident happened in the Director's Cut instead of the original release, we can't determine if this incident truly happened, that is, we don't know if this incident will be recalled in the next film. Plus, on terms of radius, you can't simply say it was of small radius, for the room itself was of small radius.  BishopTutu 21:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Not yet. I'm currently dealing with important issues on another page.  BishopTutu 22:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh yes, as for the Furyans being an offshoot of humans, I'm not too sure we can consider that retconned just yet; I feel it's still plausible.  BishopTutu 05:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Like I said, the physical form always follows the astral form. If the Lord Marshall truly had a choice in moving out of the way of Riddick, he would have definitely done so.  BishopTutu 17:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Now, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I won't agree with you because the Lord Marshall's astral form does notice him, but only at the last minute when he was trying to escape. You must also note that this happens in slow motion, that is, in real time, it happens much faster, perhaps in a second or two's time. As for Riddick's abitily to resist being "soul-ripped," I thought that was already noted. If not, I'll see if it can be implemented into the article effectively.  BishopTutu 23:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, no, there's no need for an apology. I just thought I'd clear that up, for future reference.  BishopTutu 19:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it's not only for the Lord Marshall. Everyone is in slow motion, including Riddick and Vaako; the only part that looks fast in the slow motion sequence is when the physical form of the Lord Marshall catches up with the astral form.  BishopTutu 20:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Information like that only belongs in the Chronicles of Riddick, not necessarily on the page pertaining to Riddick and his character.  BishopTutu 20:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I just flat-out removed it; it's irrelevant, unnecessary, and doesn't, necessarily, detail all of his "crimes," but more of his acts of murder. If it's going to be put back up, it needs to be made more relevant.  BishopTutu 21:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: We can't use info from the novel, if it's only in the novel. Also, because a great deal of that infor from the site is retconned, we may not be able to use it. BishopTutu 18:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, but it's still possible that it's retconned.  BishopTutu 19:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, but that information is totally irrelevant for posting in the article. Because it's merely a game (that hasn't been followed up on, in any film), we can't use it; all other info not pertaining to the game is not noteworthy anyway.  BishopTutu 22:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Until this info is followed up in a movie or, possibly, a game, we can't use it.  BishopTutu 17:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: For some reason, it won't display the page. Plus, as for the flash movies, I think that information belongs in the Chronicles of Riddick movie page, rather than this article; it pertains to other people and elements other than Riddick.  Klptyzm 20:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riddick's Origin 

message: Ά♥Ω - I'm new here and I'm kind of confused.  I've read the above discussion and I'm not sure I understand how you determine "canon".  The definition here in Wikipedia defines canon as "..., in the context of a fictional universe, comprises those novels, stories, films, etc., that are considered to be genuine or officially sanctioned, and those events, characters, settings, etc., that are considered to have existence within the fictional universe" [my emphasis added].  Why then is the novelization of PB unacceptable?  (and isn't the TCoR pop up commentary where they mention he learned to pilot in the military at least indirect secondary verification?)  I don't understand what is meant by an outside source.  How can you have an outside source for a fictional character whose existence stems from a single source - i.e. Universal Studios?   Is not everything produced by Universal Studios/David Towhy in relation to the Riddick universe -- from the novelizations and flash movie (PCSlam City) to the SciFi channel PB "sequel" (Into Pitch Black) and online game (Hunt for Riddick) -- "officially sanctioned" and "considered to have existence within the fictional universe"?  I recognize not everything is going to jive 100%.  Obviously canon wise Audrey has been retconned (I had to go look that term up - LOL - you learn something new every day) to Jack, but that shouldn't invalidate the book as a whole should it?  When it so much obviously still matches up in so many other places?  Unless the info is/becomes contradictory, it seems to me it is just as valid.  And frankly it doesn't matter if it is confirmed through 4 seperate sources (as the surgical origin for the eyeshine was, including 1 source that was put out [I think] a post-game), the studio can shift it at their whim.  I don't want to come across sounding belligerent; I am genuinely confused.  Please help me understand.
Amita4ever 20:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it would take a good while to explain, it's probably best if you read the info relevant to your question at WP:V, WP:N, and maybe a little WP:FICT. We could probably use the novelization, but becuase they're aren't too many (if any at all) secondary sources, such as (but not limited to) press coverage, to help verify the claims, it probably wouldn't help as much. I don't to seem like I'm giving you the run-around, but it would probably really help you more if you skimmed the section relevant to your query such as sections on "sources" and "notability." Ask more questions if you feel you still don't understand after skimming these pages.  ♣ Bishop Tutu  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 16:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What determines 'canon' here? 

message: anyone has any data on his childhood etc ? i think i remember him saying he had an umbilical cord around his neck and in a trash bin or something, might be a reference to the necromongers killing every furyan ? (this was in chronicles of riddick) Tyriel 10:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source it.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 18:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginnings of Riddick 

message: Are you sure that Kali is his martial art? What source is that from?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.148.113 (talk) 02:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It says it on the DVD special features.  ♣ Bishop Tutu  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 16:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus Vin Diesel mentions it in this interview:  70.17.151.234 (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kali 

message: I have the DVD of the chronicles of Riddick and when the hell hounds growl the subtitles refer to them as Thrashes, so which one do we put them down as?58.163.63.198 (talk) 04:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash or hell hound? 

message: Under Riddick's abilities there's no reference to the "I'll kill you with my tea cup" schitck he did when he confronted those guards who had cornered Kira. The DVD special features mentions that one of the things one learns as a matter of survival in the triple max slams is how to make a weapon out of anything...and they do mean anything. Papa_Palpatine [unregistered]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.70.194 (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Add it with a source.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Death By Tea Cup Thing

message: Some time ago, this page contained detailed adn intelligent information about Riddick. The "Characteristics" topic, was richly detailed with all kinds of information retrieved from the movies and from the game. There also were detailed information about Riddick's behaviour, the factors that would lead him to kill or to lurk in the shadows, his weakness, notable feats, background, trivial information and even an intelligent article comparing Riddick's behaviour to a predatorial behaviour
I wish to know why all that information has suddently vanished or have been removed, and if it would be ok if I added them back into the page.
Thanks
:The simple, most relevant answer is that most of this information was "original research," which is information that comes from one editor's personal observation rather than verifiable information.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 19:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riddick's Main Characteristics/ Behaviour 

message: Isn't that rather a deep bass voice? It seems too low for a baritone, but I may be mistaken... Mikon (talk) 19:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Deep baritone voice" 

message: hey... first time at this well here goes nothing...
They just might be come out with another Riddick! 
some one started talking about it on Moviehole.net
and it was on the dirctor's web site too  Riddick furyan"We are warriors, one and all. Born to defend, built to conquer. The steel we wear is the steel within ourselves, forged by the hot fires of discipline and training. We are fierce in a way no others can be.We are Marines." (talk) 17:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First, you might want to change your sig: it's pretty long and cluttering when you post. Second, concerning the information, could you provide a link to said content?  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 18:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's rather unprobable, Vin Diesel owns and is directing "The Chronicles of Riddick" franchise after the previous movie, it's unlikely he would give out his part as the main character to another person( wich would cause a bad reaction from the major public, since every Riddick related image or media is associated with the image of Vin Diesel ). It is, however, that in the new Riddick Movie, another actor may portray Riddick while young, since the new movie will focus on Riddick's past and the return to Furya. Please, provide us with a link 200.140.3.128 (talk) 23:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new Riddick?!  

message: As above: ...that Benton Ju or at particularly the Name "Benton Ju", amongst others, appears in EFBB in the Section, where Riddick goes for Abbott? I remember seeing, amongst many other Names, the plague on one of the Guard's Quarters reads "Benton Ju". From what I understand, Benton Ju was killed BEFORE Riddick came to Butchers, from where he escaped to the Ice-Planet and from there the Story of "Chronicles" started... goof? Programmer's spoof?BenBulletDodger (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I wrong.... 

message: "he has been known to use anything from pistols, rifles, platypi,..." really? With a platypus? How? When? Why?--TeakHoken91.33.2.144 (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: it's talking about how Riddick didn't REALLY intend to elave the survivors behind and how he's not REALLY a psyhopathic killer and such. In Pitch Black it is stated that Riddick is a homicidal serial killer.~~
this reads like a fanzine  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.221.188 (talk) 10:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is not nearly nuetral enough;

message: I attempted to edit this article to say that there are three Riddick movies and two animated shorts, to list the new animated short, listed here, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3095416/?ref_=fn_al_tt_8, and to remove the spoiler in the plot description of the film Riddick.  My edit was reverted.  I would like to discuss this if there are any other opinions on the subject. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:10, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is a 35 minute direct to DVD animated short a "film" in the same way that the three major theatrical releases are films? 

message: There is a reference to his "more supernatural skills". But no such skills are actually described.203.184.41.226 (talk) 00:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supernatural skills/powers 

message: Hello
There is an error with the "External Link"
it shows as: http://www.imdb.com/character/chch0005022/
chch0005022 should be ch0005022 
I don't know where the extra ch comes from
82.74.75.61 (talk) 04:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty External link