Talk:Muni Metro

message: For a while now, there's been a slow drift in the lede of this article in the description of what kind of system Muni Metro is. At one point it was described as a "hybrid light rail/streetcar" system; then someone inserted "subway" into the mix, which then got wiki-linked, and then that wiki-link got auto-redirected to rapid transit. 
The latter is a problem because, due to a long-ago compromise on Wikipedia between proponents of the term "subway" and proponents of "metro", "rapid transit" is generally used on Wikipedia to refer to heavy-rail systems, which is one thing the Muni Metro definitely is not. Even though normal people use "subway" to refer to any underground rail system like the Muni Metro uses along Market Street, I fear that this will keep happening if we put "subway" in the lede to the article.
I also think the term "hybrid light rail/streetcar" system is overly confusing. "Light rail" is a notoriously squishy term, but I don't think there's any definition of it that requires that all of a light rail system be separated from other traffic; indeed, almost every light rail system in the US contains sections that mix will automobile traffic to one extent or another. Furthermore, the APTA, which lays down the definitions for US systems we follow elsewhere on the site (e.g., List of United States light rail systems by ridership) doesn't distinguish between light rail and streetcar systems, since it's almost impossible to draw a hard-and-fast line.
With that in mind, I have changed the lede sentence to just refer to Muni Metro as a light rail system. In the second paragraph, I added text to make clear that it's the descendent of a first-generation streetcar network, that it now has underground portions, and that stops range from what would be considered modern light-rail stops to traditional streetcar stops. Hopefully this is accurate and provides the background people need to quickly grasp what the system is like without getting bogged down in multiple jargon-y qualifying terms. --Jfruh (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Light rail" in the lede 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Muni Metro's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "chronology":
From San Francisco State University station: 
From Balboa Park station: 
From Church station (Muni Metro): 
From Richmond–Millbrae+SFO line: 
From M Ocean View: 
From San Jose and Santa Rosa station: 
From Embarcadero station: 
From Market and Dolores / Market and Buchanan stations: 
From Duboce and Church station: 
From Van Ness Bus Rapid Transit: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Muni Metro]]