Talk:Chibiusa/Archive 1

message: *...can only be speculated about and should not be on an encyclopedia.  I like your other edits, Angie Y, so don't take it as an attack against you. :) Danny Lilithborne 22:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "real" dub voice actor 

message: *I don't understand why there's a debate about the name of this attack. Danny Lilithborne 02:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pink Ladies Freezing Kiss 

message: we need a small section on black lady and a picture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.98 (talk • contribs) .
:I aggree... I'd provide a pic but i don't know how to go about uploading one and what actions i have to take to make it a legal screen cap...--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at it - :Image:Black_Lady_Sailor_Moon.jpg - it probably still needs some resizing, or something. Hope it doesn't contravene anything.  - Malkinann 08:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be a little lower-resolution, maybe, but either way I think it looks great. :D --Masamage 16:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: black lady

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). This was mostly for the other Senshi (who all had nearly-unique stub articles about them), but since Chibiusa's on it I thought I'd mention. Please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ --Masamage 05:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: Two different philosophies about the Senshi's article names have been brought up on the Talk:Sailor Moon page, so it seems useful to discuss it here.
Philsophy 1: The articles are named after the girls themselves, and we're using their legal names. Therefore, this article should be called something different from what is now--Chibiusa Tsukino, most likely. (Or Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino, or Usagi Tsukino II, or something else.)
Philosophy 2: The articles are named the way the characters are referred to in the series. In the front of individual manga books, and in the materials collection, Naoko Takeuchi lists the characters by the names Tsukino Usagi, Chiba Mamoru, Mizuno Ami, etc. Yet Chibiusa is simply listed as Chibiusa--no last name, (even though she does have one, and even though this is only a nickname). Therefore, the article name should stay the way it is.
I personally am in favor of philosophy 2. For one thing, that's the name people most often know her by (including characters in the series). For another, Chibiusa Tsukino is technically not her name at all; if we were really to put legal names, it would indeed have to be Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino, which just seems too darn long. :P
Any thoughts? What do you all think? --Masamage 03:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But don't forget about common names: Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. That is why, in example, Pelé has the soccer player's article, while Edson Arantes do Nascimento, his real name, is a redirect. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd rather not Chibiusa Tsukino, because she is never referred to as that. 130.95.106.154 01:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I guess I should also mention I'm in favor of leaving it. --Masamage 01:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't she only refer to herself as "Tsukino" when she enrolled in school, because she was pretending to be Usagi's cousin/sister?  -SaturnYoshi 07:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found an obscure precedent that could be discounted. In the Materials Collection it's stated as Tsukino Chibiusa in the Parallel Sailormoon story... and in it she's not from the future... however, Parallel Sailormoon is not canon... but a side story... so it could be discounted on those grounds. Her name issues are sticky though. However the same thing showed up in the side story collection showing it was intentional and not a mistake.--Hitsuji Kinno 03:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, remember, the discussion isn't over whether her name is Tsukino or not. The discussion is over whether that matters in terms of the article name. (As per the two philosophies above.) Rey's comments about using the most common name make a lot of sense to me. --Masamage 08:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also in agreement to keep the name as it is, as per it being what she is most commonly called.  I only hope that it won't be changed to "Rini" *ugh!*  -SaturnYoshi 09:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha~ --Masamage 16:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Rini Shields ^_^  I'm with philosophy 2. Danny Lilithborne 00:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While we're at it: Usagi Tsukino can become Serena "Bunny" Shields.  -SaturnYoshi 05:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we change it now it would cause a lot of links to turn into deadends or redirects. Also ChibiUsa is a fine article name Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 17:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I propose removing (and probably deleting) :Image:Sailor Chibi Moon 01.jpg, the former lead image. I switched it out in favor of one from the same set as those of the Inner Senshi, and initially thought to leave it in the article, but...it really doesn't add any value. It seems decoration rather than illustration. --Masamage 07:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you're right.  Also, there's really no other place to put it either.  -SaturnYoshi 07:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it from the article and tagged it with an "orphaned" template. This way if anyone wants to save it, they've got seven days to figure out how. --Masamage 18:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga image 

message: I have noticed that in the edit window there is a section about her relatives (being the daughter of Usagi and Mamoru) in the infobox, however the main article doesn't show this.  Is this intentional?  -SaturnYoshi 08:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's invisible because the herobox people are considering removing that field, but I'm not sure exactly what state said discussion is in. --Masamage 18:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invisible info 

message: Where does this combo attack happen? I can't find it anywhere, but it seems familiar. --Masamage 03:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the episode "Art is an Explosion of Love!  Chibiusa's First Love".  Found in Sailor Moon S Episode #107(Jp).  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, I watched that like a week ago! No wonder I recognized the thing. ^_^ --Masamage 16:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen that episode in a while.  I'm suprised I remembered which one it was.  I just had to look up the title, instead of trying to explain the episode.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me who put that in. I have the first three season in JP /w subs.  The third season also has an english adieo file though i only use that to rewatch funny parts <_< Lego3400: The Sage of Time 10:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Sailor Moon Kick? 

message: I cleaned up the template. I have to add back in the info that was deleted, but I left a rudimentary description in its place. It's now conforming to template, but needs refleshing out. I left the Items part in the template since it looks like this will be added to the Ami Mizuno template too. No use in deleting info that will be added back in. This part of the profile is rather useful. I'll add the manga, anime and more detailed general info later. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning of Template

message: Should Luna-P get its own sub section on this page or another page? I would suggest listing out the things it transforms into by act/episode for those fanatical fans and also basic properties beyond the usual items page. Also Luna-P has a history of its own which differs manga to anime and some of its own cultural phenomenon which separates it from most other objects... or should it get its own page? --Hitsuji Kinno 03:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we start up Items subsections, let's start out by giving Luna-P its own sub-sub-section. We don't need to list every form it's ever had, but we can mention a few important ones and go into its history. --Masamage 00:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Luna-P

message: Should this be mentioned in the article under Versions at all or should it be left out? --Hitsuji Kinno 15:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm? That wasn't Chibiusa, it was her hypothetical sister. --Masamage 00:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh? How so, it lists her as Tsuikino Chibiusa and then First Daughter of the Tsukino Household... Umm... So how so? It might be Chibiusa from an AR, but it's still Chibiusa. Or are you trying to pull my leg? O.o;; --Hitsuji Kinno 01:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. Chibiusa is in the story, yes, but she doesn't do anything special or notable (except wear glasses, I suppose). The little girl who annoys her friends and turns into Parallel Sailor Moon is Kousagi. --Masamage 18:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Notable things: Though she's older, and wears glasses he also doesn't have the long hair like in the manga earlier versions of drawing her (Particularly the artbooks and the part where she grows up). She's also listed as Tsukino Chibiusa, first daughter of the Tsukino household (Which differs from the manga since Tsukino was never tacked on in any of the picture diaries or the manga with the name Chibiusa--so her name could actually be Chibiusa and not Princess Usagi Small Lady Serenity... since this is an AR manga). She plays ji-kan-pon with Kousagi to stick her with caring for the rabbits. (So even she doesn't seem to care much about he sister) She also scolds Usagi for being a bad parents, which she did not do previously in the manga. In the manga they tended to bicker, but Chibiusa never really scolded Usagi, who is clearly her mother and Chibiusa isn't form the future (since this is AR). Her school uniform appears not to be the Juuban Uniform... I'd say that's enough to make mention of it somewhere. I can support that with quotes without ambiguity. This could go on the Parallel Sailormoon proper page though when it's created. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallel Sailormoon

message: "Small Lady in the manga will become Princess Lady Serenity when she has matured enough. In the manga she is shown in the far future as Lady Serenity, a lady with white hair praying, who appears in Helios's dreams. This form also shows up in the artbook IV and then is mentioned again in the Materials Collection." Who else do we know that has white hair and Wears her hair in the "odango Style"? Sailor Cosmos! Is it possible that Chibi-Usa is Sailor Cosmos? -- Lego3400
:We'll never know. X) --Masamage 18:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because the hairstyle is clearly cones. Let me pull the image up now that Mangastyle is back. http://mangastyle.net/book4/nt4-013.jpg I should also note that Neo Queen Serenity in some images also has white hair. In fact, Princess Serenity also did. However, Princess Serenity images with her hair white stopped after arc 2. I think is because it related to the triple goddess imagry and color bases. White tends to be more of a "mother" color in many ways. I do have a loose theory that the Maboroshi no Ginzuishou could bleach hair... but that's pure fan speculation on my part. With SM having reincarnation, incarnation and so on, a thousand poissiblities is possible including a blatant self-insert =P which is why it shouldn't make it to this page or any other until official confirmation one way or the other is made (if she still remembers!)--Hitsuji Kinno 23:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salior Cosmos perhaps? 

message: Someone added soldier titles without sources. I'm preparing them for deletion if the sources aren't listed with proof (give you a week). Note that Soldier in training is not a title, but a rank. What's the difference? A private is a rank, a Title is King. Titles are usually passed along, or inherited. A rank is something you earn over the course of time. Sailor Chibi Moon is in training right now to become the next Sailor Moon. Being in training is like being an apprentice which is also a rank (before journeyman)--so it's not a title. If you can prove it's title then I'll accept it. She's never said apprentice soldier either. Technically she's acting more like a journeyman than an apprentice... if anyone has noticed or kept tally. Princess Soldier is a title given to her, nothing she earned.--Hitsuji Kinno 03:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds more like a descriptive noun than a title. --Masamage 03:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Description, not title... Any objections to it being deleted at this point? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added soldier titles 

message: Chibiusa is known as "Sailor Mini Moon" ONLY in English anime. --PJ Pete
:...And the article says this.  So your point would be...?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox just says "en" after that title, so that would need to be fixed. Is she really Chibi Moon in the English manga? --Masamage 22:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes she is.  The manga was actually translated before the Sailor Moon S series was dubbed, so she keeps the "Chibi Moon" title just as the Outers keep their original Japanese names.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Kay. I noted that in the infobox. --Masamage 08:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Mini Moon 

message: Since Almost all of ChibiUsa's names are Redone for the dub, i added a field to the Template just for her... Though some one else may use it I'm not sure.. It separates the original and English names so we don't have to type EN or English 5 times. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made it shorter and de-bolded the two fields that both say 'English', so that it's clear they're both subsidiary to the fields above them. Was dubious at first, but adding that field actually makes the infobox two lines shorter, which is always good by me. ^^ --Masamage 03:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dub Names 

message: i was wondring if anyone would object if i copyed this back lady section and pasted it to black moon clans black lady since there the same and this artical has move in it? sailor cuteness-ready for love 17:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's necessary, since it already links back here. Ideally they'd be somewhat different, though, with Chibiusa's article describing the character more and the Black Moon Clan describing her relevance to the baddie group... --Masamage 17:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  black lady 

message: can we remove this because it was added by a vandle hes been vandalising lods padges i was going to remove it but it sayd i couldent till the issue had been resolved but there is no issue its just a bored troll ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. That guy is on a roll for getting banned. Don't worry about it. --Masamage 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly. :) --Masamage 22:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion 

message: To make her more consistent with Usagi, she should probably get an image of her first senshi form (Like Usagi her uniform goes through a dramatic change) (After she gains the barrettes) The image of her standing their after her henshin should work fine...  Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 03:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, the image of her in her first Senshi uniform is not fair use because it's not substantially different from what we already have. Usagi's probably isn't either, but she's more iconic so it's a lot more likely to be workable. The Chibi Moon one definitely is not. --Masamage 18:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That looks fine. --Masamage 22:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: A number of image songs featuring Chibiusa's character have been released.
From the original anime, sung by Araki Kae:
:*Yume o Ijimenaide ("Don't Tease My Dreams!")
:*Watashi-tachi Ni Naritakute
:* Bai Bai tte itta ("I'll Say Bye Bye")
From the musicals, sung by various actresses:
:*Mata Mata Chibiusa Desu
:*Double Moonlight Romance (With Usagi and Mamoru)
:*Chibiusa no Kokoroiki
:*Chibiusa no Hanran
:*Yume Miru Mori no Yume no Yume (Sung with the Amazoness Quartet)
:*Black Moon Signal (As Black Lady)
:*Kono Kodou kara Yoru wa Umarenai (Duet of Black Lady and Sailor Chibi Moon)
:*Pinky Typhoon
Kono Kodou Kara Yoru wa Umarenai was only sung as a duet when sung live, on the CD it was a Sailor Chibi-Moon solo.Yayamaya 02:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Storage 

message: I'm working on the prose rewrite of Chibiusa's powers list. Can anyone give me a refresher on what her inherent, non-Senshi powers are, in both series? I know that when she's in danger her moon symbol lights up, and that she taps into the Luna-P, the Space-Time Key, and the Silver Crystal. But I'm not sure about the extent to which the latter applies, and is there anything else? --Masamage ♫ 17:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She was the subject of triggering psychometry two times... once with Mamoru where he saw flashes of the future (first act where she arrived), and once when she touched Sailor Chibichibi and saw flashes of what Chibichibi had seen (Who also displayed psychometry by having flashes of Mamoru dying which she was not a participant of/couldn't remember as the last statements in Act 52 state). So in one case she's the giver and the other case the receiver. It might be worth it to look this power up to see what are the chances that she has it. Also she recieved power fro Mamoru in the manga and anime via psychometry too where he used his life force to keep her alive. =P No other character has been subject to psychometry so many times... Also note that she had Luna-P when she visited Pluto, but she did not receive it from that Sailor Soldier. She also stated outright that she got Small Lady from her mother in the manga... It might be a little questionable as to how much personal power she exhibits in the manga over the Space-time key. In the anime it's clear tat she has to have some to control it, but in the manga it never makes it clear if it's her, or the God Chronos she's invoking. That's all I can think of. --Hitsuji Kinno 23:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. Psychometry says that it's RECEIVING information rather than giving information. Thus she has it. Making three characters out of SM have it. This would be via that act where she touched Chibichibi. --Hitsuji Kinno 00:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chibiusa's powers 

message: We should proably mention them more than just in Infobox. They are her protecters and and her version of the Sailor Team after all. Do we know much about her dealings with them?Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 15:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, but the place for it would probably be in her Senshi section. --Masamage ♫ 16:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Quartet 

message: Chibiusa and Usagi are Characters in there own right why merge them? Dark spikey 13:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like vandalism to me, the person doesn't have anything on their profile, so delete it. Any objections? --Hitsuji Kinno 14:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done :P Dark spikey 15:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. --Masamage ♫ 17:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge  

message: It should be noted that when she appeared, it was around the mid 90s in the Japanese version and it needs to say that she came around in 2000 in the English version. S took place in 2001, 21st century according to Chibiusa herself.
DemonicSailormoon 08:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That feels like too much unimportant detail to me. If the fact that the dub takes place in the early 2000s is to be mentioned, it should be on the Sailor Moon (English adaptations) page, not here. Also, she appeared in 1993, which is why it says 'early'. --Masamage ♫ 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When she appeared