Talk:Calque

message: I played around with the structure of the article a bit--I thought it would be more logical to group calques by language rather than by part of speech.  Hopefully we'll be able to come up with calques in languages other than English (I checked out the calque page in the French Wikipedia and found it to be unhelpful). Psp 05:21, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructuring 

message: I added one because in Ukrainian there are a lot of calques from Russian. Can someone add more?
:Translate their meaning into English, please. 81.232.72.53 02:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Russian neobxodimyj a calque, or at least a semantic calque, of inevitable anyway? Man vyi 07:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It might be, but the source of the calque was originally from Russian. Maybe it is a calque in Russian at the same time. -Iopq 00:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Cf. #Transliteration, below. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calques in Ukrainian 

message: The element "chop" in the Chinese examples came from imitating the pronunciation of an actual Chinese word (tsap). I took "chop chop" and "chopsticks" out and left the true calques. --Cam 13:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't Chinese calque every foreign word they find?Cameron Nedland 18:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese

message: I suggest that it would be useful to include one of the most famous examples of loanwords from Latin - gospel (Old English 'godspell', literally good news" from Latin evangelium.
Don't calques require more literal translations than that?72.83.108.40 (talk) 21:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin loanwords 

message: Gospel - If this is a calque, I think the listing needs to include the explanation about it coming from the Old English "godspell", etc., listed above in the "Latin loanwords" section, because when I read the article, I had no idea why that was a calque, as "gospel" is not a compound word made from any two Modern English words. It only made sense when I read the above comment on this talk page. 
Also, while the Old English "godspell" may have been a calque of the Greek "evangelion," I don't think that the Modern English corruption "gospel" really counts as a calque. Rather, I think that this is really just an interesting etymological anecdote, because of the fact that the expression "the Good News" is today used to mean the Gospel. 68.84.215.58 (talk) 07:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  From other languages 

message: Shouldn't the Ukrainian words be written in the Cyrillic alphabet (as the Russian words are) and not transliterated?
:I was lazy when I typed it in. Either someone else do it, or I'll do it when I get home.-Iopq 21:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliterated Ukrainian 

message: *are you claiming the French got their "end of week" concept ("fin de semaine") from the English? week-end is a loanword only used in France, it's not used in Québec and i'm not sure about Bénélux and Swiss. EnthusiastFRANCE 19:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you a source for face to face being a calque? Man vyi 20:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i have no source for "face to face" yet, but i know the english "face" comes from the french word, hence the french expression came before the english expression. sounds logical don't you agree? EnthusiastFRANCE 20:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the reasoning is faulty, that "face" is a loanword does neither prove nor disprove "face to face" is a calque. 惑乱 分からん 09:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It might be, but we need a source. Kwarizmi 20:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French calques 

message: *tour de force is a straightforward borrowing, not a calque. A calque is a loan translation. if the phrase is not translated literally, it is not a calque. A hypothetical tour of force might well be a calque if translated literally from another language. And weekend is not the only word in French borrowed from English.
#:fr:Marketing
#:fr:Buzz (marketing)
#:fr:Slogan
comes via English thought the origin is Gaelic)
:fr:Lobbying
:fr:Think tank
:fr:Spin doctor.... all loans. Man vyi 19:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a strong difference between spoken french which is a free form rapidly evolving including TV quotes, alien languages, frenglish, verlan (spelling backward), argot (slang) or jargon (technical slang incorporating alien words). Spoken french is known as urban french or "abus de language". "Abus de language" means taking some liberties with the academic french including using a word for another, using "neologism" (to create new words), mixing parts of alien and french words together (frenglish like "parking" for "car park") or using brands (ex: "mobilhome"). French spoken mass media often uses "abus de language". The alien word are accepted as french when there are no academic french words to tell the same thing. The reason is each word is different, synonyms are slow variations not duplicates. EnthusiastFRANCE 20:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Academic french is the true official one, the one used in schoolbooks and dictionary (Le Robert, Larousse, etc), the one that is teached at school. Academic french is slow to evolve, new words have to be discussed by officials (at "l'Académie Française") before to be added in the new edition of a dictionary. You are not supposed to use urban french, nor "abus de langage" at school, this is not correct and marked as a mistake. EnthusiastFRANCE 20:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Academic French discussion

message: *This basic introduction made, let's take a look at these words of yours: 
#"marketing" no this is tech slang (loanword), the academic french word is "étude de marché" which is not a calque (BTW "market" comes from the french "marché")
#"buzz"'s a 00's media, spoken word and technical media word only. The french is "bouche à oreille" (lit. "mouth to ear") which is an old expression. I don't think "buzz" is in the Robert dictionary yet. This is definitely not a loanword nor a calque.
#"slogan" academic french is "formule" but "slogan" is commonly used since quite a time now so i'm ok with this one!
*The words you think are loanwords are only "abus de language", technical english words used in the marketing business ("business" itself is "abus de langage", urban variation is "bizness", but the french word is "les affaires" which is not a calque). The reason these English words are used in a French phrase is the words are used in "convention d'entreprise" when the french employees have to travel to another country (UK/US) to learn the ways of the enterprise. These words are also imported by American/English companies establishing in France and using their domestic technical language (McDonalds, Packard-Bell, Chevrolet, etc). 
#"lobbying" and "lobby" are used on media and talk, but the french academic for "lobby" is "groupe de pression" which is not a calque. I don't think there is french for "lobbying".
#"Think tank" what's this? never heard about, even not in english! this can't be an official french word.
#"spin doctor" ask a french about "Spin Doctor" he will be puzzled or will answer "Two Princes". This is not academic french you'll find in a dictionary. The french wiki stub only states: <"spin doctor": La traduction française la plus approchante proposée est : docteur folimage"> "spin doctor" is not even a loanword, i's an english word used by very few. If searching for the hypothetical "docteur folimage" calque, you'll find peanuts. These are urban words used by very few!
*I'm affraid the french wiki cannot be refered as an official dictionary, since everyone from the planet can write what he wants inthere (including false theories, rumor, etc).
*There are many comic sketches (for gag) about people using neologism or english tech words dans le texte. EnthusiastFRANCE 20:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Aren't these true loanwords?) 惑乱 分からん 11:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: French Loanwords

message: #"sketch" (there is no french word for this, this is a loan)
#"gag" (same here)
#"self" (short for "self service" restaurant/gas station meanings only, loan)
#"fast food" (but academic officials are figthing for "restauration rapide" which is actually a calque, we found one at last!)'''
#"budget" (coming from the Old French "bugette") EnthusiastFRANCE 20:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Known english to french loanwords

message: #"flop" (a commercial failure used by media)
#"videoclip" (common use for a musical promo movie, french is "séquence vidéo" which sounds like a calque) EnthusiastFRANCE 20:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Aren't these true loanwords?) 惑乱 分からん 11:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: False loanwords

message: *I've found a english to french which was added in the French "Le Robert" academic dictionary (the French's holy bible) in the 00's it is "Courriel" from englais "Email". I don't think it's commonly used in France, but rather the english straighforward. I know it's officially used in Québéc though (traditional french as spoken in Canada), i don't know about the Flamand (french language variation used in Belgium) which is set somewhere the "Québécois" (traditional french) and France french (modern french).
EnthusiastFRANCE 20:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sure English to French calque (dialects)

message: *"anus mundi" latin giving "asshole of the world" english. ADDED
*the french latin calque -"trou du cul du monde" also exists but is rarely used, because of it's vulgarity, the straightforward latin is commonly used instead in this language. EnthusiastFRANCE 05:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sure Words (Latin-French-English)

message: *there is probably "autoroute" (french) / "autobahn" (german): i don't know which country had the infrastructure first.
*sunbath (english) / bain de soleil (french): i'm not sure which came first as "bath" is not a french word but an old german one.
*middle class: concept probably introduced by Marx and coming form the German "mittlere Klasse".
EnthusiastFRANCE 09:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: English kindergarten calques German Kindergarten? Seems like a loanword, unless the change in capitalization counts! --rmbh 23:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a loanword, a calque would have been "Childgarden". 惑乱 分からん 23:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsure

message: *Submarine is not a translation, therefore not a calque. German Unterseeboot is more likely (but not certainly) a calque. Man vyi 07:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "sub" is a Latin word (under) used by English language. The "Submarinus" Latin concept (and de facto the word itself) existed long before the "submarine" English word, therefore "submarine" could be a translation (and a calque). EnthusiastFRANCE 09:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I checked the reference, understood the misunderstanding, and changed the entry. Strombomboli (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: ...I removed the following:
* chopsticks: "Chop" from Pidgin for "quick"
* vicious circle: from Latin circulus vitisus, circular argument, not "vicious circle"
* dog days: from Latin diēs canīculāris, "dog star days"
There are a few others I'm concerned about, but I won't touch them until I have done further research. Nor will I add any calques I know of until I can find a decent cite (like "captain of industry"). --SigPig 05:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  While I was adding cites... 

message: * English flea market calques French marché aux puces  and Dutch vlooienmarkt
* French supermarché calques English supermarket (ironic as market is said to come from marché) and Dutch supermarkt
* French Médecins sans Frontière (an NGO) calques English Doctors without border and Dutch Artsen zonder Grenzen
Webhat 02:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The last isn't a calque; it's the proper name of an organization. It would be a calque if "doctors without borders" were a common English phrase. -- SigPig |SEND - OVER 04:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multi-language calques 

message: It would be very helpful if both non-Latin character sets and Latin-charset transliterations were used when giving terms in Greek, Chinese, Russian, etc.  Without the latter, the non-Latin text is meaningless "noise" to most readers. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree... 惑乱 分からん 01:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, and further suggest as a general practice to improve readability, that Cyrillic and Greek (but especially Cyrillic) characters be bolded when they occur in the midst of Latin text -- otherwise it's easy to confuse, e.g., the Cyrillic р in ресторан (restoran, "restaurant") with the Latin "p" in "petunia." Throbert McGee 01:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I'd prefer italics. Bold text stands out too much... 惑乱 分からん 02:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't use italics for Cyrillic: ресторан becomes ресторан, with т (т in italics) visually equal to m (m in italics). Doloco (talk) 15:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: If someone would like to find sources, I could recommend the sites http://www.etymonline.com , http://www.dictionary.com and http://www.m-w.com . Try to avoid guesswork. 惑乱 分からん 12:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I removed the following (English calques of German):
* English alpenglow calques German Alpenglühen
**Only one part is translated; if it were a calque, it would be "Alpine glow"
* English Alzheimer's disease calques German Alzheimer Krankheit
* English Arons tube calques German Aronssche Röhre (lit. Arons
* English Braun tube calques German Braunsche Röhre
* English Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, or Mad cow disease calques German Creutzfeldt-Jakob-Krankheit
**I'm not sure about the provenance of the diseases, machines, etc of the form "Normalverbraucher  Dingsbums" or "Mustermann Krankheit", where only one part of the compound is translated, and the other, being a proper name, is brought in directly. If CJ disease was called wütende Kuhkrankheit ("mad cow disease"), that's definitely be a calque.
* English apple strudel calques German Apfelstrudel
** Only the first word is translated, the second is a loanword. Not a calque.
* English automobile calques German Kraftwagen(lit. Machinized wagon")
**That's not a calque. An English calque of the German would be "mechanized wagon". "Automobile" comes from the French.
* English Kris Kringle calques German Christkindl(lit. "Christ child")
** Mispronuciation, not a calque. 	
* English cookbook calques German Kochbuch
**At least this is a calque, but the dictionaries give its origin as American, 1800s. 
* English glitzy calques German glitzern(lit. "glittering")
* English glitz calques German glitzerig(lit. "glittering")
** Not calques, because not translated.
* English gramophone calques German Grammefon
**Nope. Inversion of phonogram, borrowed from Greek. Since it's not translated into English, it's not a calque anyway.
* English microphone calques German Mikrefon
**Ditto. Not a calque. And from Greek, anyway.
The others that got flushed with the revert, I'm putting back in, with either a cite (if I can find one) or a fact tag. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of OR 

message: Is there a special word for this concept????
This is for all the phrases in the english language using the name of a foreign country to describe something.
English Phrase using a foreign countries as and adjective  for a better formatting see: http://foreignnames.wikispaces.com/
What they call it in the adjectival country's language
What the foreign phrase literally means translated into English
Meaning in English
Contributor
 
French kiss
 
Turkish Delight
rahat lokum,
 
Brazil nuts
castanhas-do-Pará
chestnuts from Pará",
French Leave
French Polish
 
Dutch courage
 
Russian roulette
 
Turkey
 
Dutch courage
 
Spanish fly
La vice anglais:
French slang ( argot ) meaning English-vice , sadomasochistic sexual activities involving flagellation.
 
Greek fire
 
French windows
 
Prussian Blue
 
Eau de Cologne
 
Danish Blue
 
Spanish Bowline
 
Dutch Cap
 
Swede
"kålrot"
(cabbage root).
 
Rusian vine
 
Scotch mist
Scotch Mist refers to a light, steady drizzle, the name being typical of the Scottish penchant for understatement.
 
Chinese Burn
 
Maltese cross
 
The English Disease
Jerry Williams
 
Welsh Rarebit
Jerry Williams
 
Polish Spirit
Jerry Williams
 
Swiss Roll
Jerry Williams
 
Mexican Wave
Jerry Williams
 
China (porcelein)
Jerry Williams
 
Sex is rife with examples: - Mal de Naples French Letters a Brazilian
Jerry Williams
 
Danish pastry
Bob Carne
Indian summer
Bob Carne
 
Portuguese Man of War
Bob Carne
 
Sardines?
Bob Carne
 
Eau de Cologne
Bob Carne
 
Venetian blinds
BobCarne
 
Mexican Stand-off
Dave Andrews
 
german shepherd
Bob Carne
 
scotch eggs
Bob Carne
  
Chinese Whispers
Andrew Garside
 
China syndrome
Jerry Williams
 
Cullinary examples
Jerry Williams
 
Baked Alaska
Jerry Williams
 
Norwegian Omelette
Jerry Williams
 
Spanish Omlette
Jerry Williams
 
French Beans
Jerry Williams
 
Chinese Walls
 
Yorkshire puddings
Bob Carne
creme anglais
Custard
Russian vine
Yorkshire pudding
Yorkshire
 
Lancashire hotpot
 hotpot  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Engineman (talk • contribs) 15:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  country or region names used in english phrases (CORNUIEPS) 

message: Even though this expression does sound like the sort that would come from the Chinese language, I do remember reading in a general-interest book that this expression came from Native Americans.  If so, then the source I read doesn't agree with the one posted on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charizardpal (talk • contribs) 00:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-added the entry with a link to answers.com; the cite is from the American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms; it looks like dictionary.com doesn't deal with them any more. I got rid of the Chinese itself, since I can't find evidence of the transliteration, only that it comes from Chinese. I'll add a (see also below) with a link to Online Etym, as soon as Without a Trace is over. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 02:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Long Time No See

message: Do pidgin phrases really count as calques? They're more a combination of two languages than one language borrowing entirely from another, especially since phrases like "long time no see" didn't exist until such pidgin sprung up.
Additionally, is "long time no see" (most of the Chinese-English pidgin phrases, for that matter) really a calque from Chinese? It's more of a phrase that originated in English out of necessity.72.83.108.40 (talk) 21:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One can see that pidgins would invent calques for convenience (or use existing calques), but as you imply, pidgin creation is not dependent on calques. Probably there are pidgins with no calques whatever? Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 18:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pidgin 

message: Chashmal is not a Hebrew calque of Greek's Electra, and is actually a new twist for an old word found in the book of Prophets to describe a fiery power or substance. I recommend that it be removed from the article. You can see a longer explanation of Chashmal here: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/chashmal.html 24.185.44.84 (talk) 03:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chashmal 

message: Despite the given source at etymonline.com, the correct term in german is "Intelligenzquotient" or "Intelligenz-Quotient". -- 80.136.83.143 (talk) 17:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: From german: Intelligenzquotient

message: Since the English word for burning is "burning", and not "brandy", then brandywine is clearly not a calque. It is just a plain borrowing, respelt using English spelling conventions. TharkunColl (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that too.  Will remove. Gr8white (talk) 19:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Brandywine

message: A lot of the examples mentioned under German may not be calques but words that share a common development ("world war," "beer garden," "loan word," "thought experiment," etc.). The compounding process is very similar in English and German and more importantly, both languages share basic idioms and syntatical relationships. It's inevitable then that either identical compound words would appear simultaneously in both languages or the development of a new word in one would be imitated immediately in the other. 
What distinguishes a calque from a word of common origin for me is the tendency for a calque have a strangeness to it if one thinks about it literally. This is not the case for most of the words listed under German except perhaps "superman," "antibody," "standpoint," etc. G. Csikos, 26 June 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.242.195 (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  German calques 

message: Chinese vocabulary uses innumeral calques from Greek and other western languages for scientific (ie. hippopotamus, is translated word-for-word as "river horse"), political, and economic words. Should I try to put in some of them? Le Anh-Huy (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese academic vocabulary calques

message: The page says,
"mandag (Monday), from Old Norse mánadagr ("moon day") calques Latin dies lunae.[64] The name of every day of the week, except lørdag (Saturday), are loan-translations from Latin."
This is incorrect. Tuesday through Friday are all from Norse gods.
Tirsdag (Tuesday) is from the god Tyr; onsdag (Wednesday) is from Odin; torsdag (Thursday) is from Tor/Thor; and fredag (Friday) is Frey/Freya. 
Whomever is involved in the editing of the page should correct this accordingly. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.66.208.36 (talk) 00:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The words were calqued using the equivalent Norse gods substituting the Roman. Mars = Tyr, Mercurius = Odin, Jupiter = Thor, Venus = Freya/Frigg. (For some reason Saturn/Saturday was never calqued, just borrowed or replaced with a random name, although Freyrs original name *Ingwaz is quite distinct from Freya/Frigg.) 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian 

message: After a quick glance at the article it's pretty clear to me that there needs to be a more in-depth and better-structured page solely dealing with topics like:
* What are calques?
* How do they happen?
* Where does the term "calque" come from?
* How are they different from loanwords and cognates?
* Are there languages which are particularly notable for their usage of calques?
and the rest of the content (the long, currently messy list) should be split to List of calques.
Also, this talk page is getting quite hairy, and I can only imagine that most of the questions raised here have been dealt with. Someone who's been watching this article for longer than I have could offer a better assessment. Greg Ravn (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Had the same idea and split out the lists to List of calques.  The other suggestions made here are good ones. Knepflerle (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split article, archive talk page 

message: What does "running dog" mean? The link goes to a book! --213.130.255.33 (talk) 22:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running dog 

message: Shouldn't this article have a link to the List of Calques, and vice-versa? -- clahey (talk) 15:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: I distrust the explanation of bienvenue as used in Quebec French.  Welcome in English can be used in two contexts, i.e. a) "Welcome to our city (our country, our home)" and b) in the exchange, "Thank you...You're welcome".  However, standard French has only the first.  (For the second, one would say "De rien" or similar.)  It is generally thought that the second usage was introduced into Quebec French by native speakers of English who (incorrectly) used bienvenue in this sense.  However, I cannot document this.
I agree.  "Bienvenue" doesn't belong, unless we're saying that it was borrowed from English, even though it already existed in French with a different meaning, which isn't likely.  This use of "bienvenue" is more accurately called a "loanshift", using the terminology of Einar Haugen (a native word that shifts its meaning as a result of foreign language contact).  It would be better off in the Language Contact article, or at least Loanword.98.236.186.230 (talk) 04:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bienvenue 

message: It's unclear to me exactly why all these words are calques.  What is the original language from which they are calqued?  If it is Latin, then the article must state explicitly that translatio is Latin for "translation" (which it doesn't currently).  The mother-daughter relationship between Latin and the Romance languages makes these cases especially tricky.  Grover cleveland (talk) 02:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Translation" as an example of a calque

message: The previous sentence is incorrect.  Both of the phrases noted are standard english and there is no indication in any source anywhere that they are calqued from french sources.  This is an example of why Wikipedia is absurd -- things go unchallenged because some dumbass thinks he can get away with it, and no one else cares.  In other words CITATION NEEDED. 
Above comment by User:207.237.88.130  User talk207.237.88.130 moved here from the article. Mcewan (talk) 07:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  An IP comment 

message: As far as the descriptions and examples go, these are pretty much the same thing, it seems. I see no difference in nature between "flea market" > Dutch "vlooienmarkt" and "skyscraper" > Dutch "wolkenkrabber". The article claims that the latter is a loan translation while the former is a phraseological calque. The latter, however, isn't a perfect calque because it means "cloudscraper" not "skyscraper". CodeCat (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between loan translation and phraseological calque? 

message: I think an example should be given in the first example. The examples in the second paragraph are too meta/recursive to help. -Reagle (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please be more specific?  I don't understand your meaning.  Thanks.  Nihil novi (talk) 19:46, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An example 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Calaq. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 21:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Calaq" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: When language X directly borrow a word from language A and same time semantic loaned directly from language B, what the term for this situation? Rex Aurorum (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I understand what you mean. Maybe if you gave an example it would be clearer. --Macrakis (talk) 20:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are term in Javanese ngundhuh (to harvest). Then in English 'download' (in computing). Then Indonesian borrow ngunduh as mengunduh then give this semantic loan download. Rex Aurorum (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semantic loan hybrid? 

message: Everything from “ The Latin word translātiō ("a transferring")… ” on in the meat of the article seems tacked on like something a student would do to fluff out their word count.
It goes for three paragraphs describing the etymology of various languages’ adoptions of two forms of “translate” in Latin, and ultimately concludes that none of them are calques. 
While this seems superficially relevant, there’s no indication that anyone would think “translation” is a calque, so there’s no reason to do three paragraphs worth of text to explain that something isn’t what nobody thought it was.
It’s sort of like if the article on Elvis ended with several paragraphs explaining why he can’t possibly secretly be alive and pretending to be Obama. Sure, it’s true, and I guess it’s Elvis related, but... nobody thought that, you know? 2601:1C2:5000:1472:D94D:40C7:4731:A8DD (talk) 11:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  That end bit doesn’t really seem relevant. 

message: English 39.38.189.56 (talk) 11:06, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  English book chapter 5 translation in full urdu and words meaning paragraph 345 

message: I can't seem to determine the actual source used in references #10, #12, and #13, which all show a variation of:
"[ ... ] listed in the 3:30, 12 September 2020 edition of the "Calque" article."
Does anyone know what source material these are referencing? Search engine results limited to the date 9/12/2020 for articles named "Calque" did not uncover an answer for me and I'm very interested in referencing the original material cited several times in this Wiki.
Evdevreed (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be referring to this version of the Wikipedia Calque article. This is not an acceptable form of referencing. It was added to the page in this edit. Mindmatrix 00:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear source of references 10,12,13 

message: As has been mentioned before on this talk page there is a long and pointless discussion at the end of the article about the Latin word "translātiō" and the English word "translate" and how it infact isn't a calque. I don't see any reason for it being here other than taking up space in the article. Unless you can give a good reason why it should stay I think it should be removed. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 07:19, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long spiel at the end of article