Talk:Last Rights (album)

message: I've always been confused by the stated release date for Last Rights. Why would it be released June 30, 1992 when it peaked on the Billboard charts in April 1992? Anyway, I decided to double check AllMusic and noticed that they now give the release date as March 16, 1992. Also, I browsing the Wayback Machine and found this link which also indicates a March (24th) release: https://archive.org/details/Bullet-Fredericksburg_VA_vol-65_1992-03-31/page/n5?q=skinny+puppy. Apple gives the release date as March 15, 1992. Whatever the actually day of release was, I think we can say that the album definitely came out in March, not June. NoseyMoose (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good detective work! Thanks for finding this. When I rewrote this article, I didn't even pay attention to the release date. Whoops! CelestialWeevil (talk) 23:06, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date

message: Two live images are currently in question, as per NFCC 8 seen here. I'll quote it for convnenience: "8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." The images illustrate the violent on-stage theatrics of the band, specifically in relation to the themes of the album (violence, deformity, and so on). Seeing it does "significiantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic", and the omission would be a shame; text sources don't adequately detail what these shows looked like.  ping to relevant user. Thanks. CelestialWeevil (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: First, the images are used in an article about an album, not about the tour or the band generally. Second, there is no critical commentary regarding the images, only very general descriptive comments not requiring illustration. Third, as the OP notes in a recent edit summary, "The theatrics of the band are important to understanding is aesthetic and message, and sources don't cover it" -- which means the underlying claim is original research, and doesn't belong in the article at all, and therefore can't justify the use of nonfree images. Fourth, the use rationales describe the photos as images of Justin Timberlake and Beyonce, and are apparently cut-and-pasted without regard to their applicability in this article. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo).  Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your concern. I sense some strange hostility. I guess I'll address your points in order. First, the tour for the album is based on the album's themes and aesthetics; they're inextricably tied. Second, there is some commentary, but I can add more pretty easily. Third, please don't play "gotcha"; I know what original research is, and this isn't that. The good-faith assumption of what I said is that the sources don't adequately cover what the images cover; this fulfills number 8, meaning the points are damaged without visual additions. Fourth, this is easily fixed. CelestialWeevil (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live images