Talk:List of fascist movements by country

message: I'm trimming the alphabetic subsections somewhat; they had a lot of additional text otherwise duplicated on this page, which is going to be a headache to maintain as well as fairly redundant. Shimgray 17:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also redirected their talk pages here, to avoid confusion. Shimgray 17:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsections 

message: Hello? What evidence do people have to call the Posse Comitatus "Fascist?" It is an anarchical movement. There were undoubtedly some neofascists in it, but let's not toss every ultra-right group into the Fascist bucket.--Cberlet 14:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: see discussion on Talk:Posse Comitatus (U.S. movement). It was agreed that Posse Comitatus has some connections to American fascism, but does not meet the criteria for a fascist movement. Stlemur 14:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Posse Comitatus

message: Has this been removed from the list for a reason? --Dschor 10:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been renamed "4th of August Regime" as a result of the page move. It's absent from the list of fascist classifications because it isn't really a "broad classification" if it only happened in one government in one country following no particular party's ideology. I suppose you might classify it under "integralism", following the Salazar connection - Stlemur 12:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek Fascism 

message: Sinn Féin/I.R.A. should be added to this list, as their anti-Protestant policies are fascist, given the fact that Gerry Adams' speeches have an extremely racist overtone, as do the speeches of Martin McGuinness. - (Aidan Work 05:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A discussion about this is underway at Talk:Sinn Féin. Consensus seems to be against inclusion; racist speech alone is not sufficient to qualify a group as fascist. - Stlemur 09:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Aiden I suggest you learn the meaning of fascist and stop with your biggotry. If thats the case, then the DUP are fascists. Jim-ie 02:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinn Féin/I.R.A. should be added.

message: The avowedly Britanniphobic 'Maori Party' should be added as well, because its leaders Tariana Turia & Pita Sharples are known for making extremely racist speeches, which advocates racial discrimination against British New Zealanders. - (Aidan Work 05:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As above, racist speech alone doesn't qualify a group as fascist. - Stlemur 09:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The '[[Maori Party]]' should also be added

message: C'mon guys.... Hindutva just qualifies for 1-2 categories here. I remvoign it.
  अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey  19:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindutva ? 

message: Kahane Chai and Tenuat Kakh do not meet the article's stated criteria for being labeled 'fascist'. It did not stress loyalty to anyone. It had a spokesperson, who did not require any loyalty. Neither group used or professed violence other than self-defense. They did not exalt the nation or race "above" others. They were seeking segregated autonomy (i.e.: you stay on your side of the fence, and we stay on ours). It did not implement or consider totalitarianism. On the contrary, they professed democracy within the organization. I'm removing them from the list. 
Also, I urge people to be more selective when labeling a movement as 'fascist' since it reduces the integrity and quality of the article. Obviously people are having differing points of view, so it's safer to not list an organization as fascist, than to be indiscriminate. The list really needs a fact based explanation for groups who do not label themselves as fascist.
:What about Revisionist Zionism? --172.190.244.137 14:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kahane Chai and Tenuat Kakh 

message: While I appreciate the enthusiasm, I find it a bit dubious to class "monarchism", "Stalinism", and "ultra-nationalism" as explicitly fascist movements without significantly greater evidence. Stalinism has things in common with other brutal regimes of the mid-20th century but was explicitly anti-fascistic and anti-corporatist; monarchism in and of itself isn't a fascistic movement, and the inclusion of the Action Francaise is fairly tenuous, stemming from that movement's collaboration with the Nazi regime, with Pamyat meanwhile having distinct neo-Nazi influences and putting out similar rhetoric. While I think a case can be made for the inclusion of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia on its own merits, meanwhile -- since they've expressed support for just about every economic system ever invented at one time or another -- ultra-nationalism itself, without other qualification, doesn't make a fascist movement. --Stlemur 09:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 31 March additions to Russian entries

message: Would it be possible for whoever added it to give a source for Parti fasciste révolutionnaire and its founder Lamour as I have yet to come across a reference to either of them anywhere. Keresaspa 13:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parti fasciste révolutionnaire 

message: I question the inclusion of apartheid in the list of varieties. While it was a reprehensible policy, and the regime that implemented it fulfilled several of the inclusion criteria, apartheid itself did not. -Ahruman 15:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree in principle...it would be useful to have a blanket term for the National Party & its associated movements in South Africa and, if there's an ideological link, Rhodesia. --Stlemur 15:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apartheid 

message: I have seen some people who call themselves members of the Integralist Action. Maybe it is active. Also, should we include PRONA party? El Chemaniaco 19:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Well this article is clear, fascist movements. Considering to I checked history of this article user Yeeted Or Yote who made big rewriting of it,including nationalist and neo nationalist governments into list and who is blocked, so all what he added can be removed. Article is clear, this is the list of the fascist movements and it should be kept in that way. No personal opinions or feelings. Strong sources and references and focus on fascism. Not something like, hey it has or had right wing government or movement is right wing, someone wrote it has or had nationalist leader or so, so it is fascist and let put it under. In content what I removed I checked 6 or 7 examples and I didnt find even single reference to someone wrote about fascism. So fascism, fascist movements, clear cut movements and where countries are clear cut examples of fascism and to they are ruled in that way and where is references, possibly academic to clearly says it was fascist or national socialists rule there. If there is a country of party etc, with strong nazi or fascist leanings, it can be formed category or countries and parties with fascist aligned policies or so and called like that but also to be good sourced in that way here on in the main article. And to say, I checked rules of the wikipedia, this is not personal blog or soapbox, and no advocacy of any kind here and always neutral point if view.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.222.122.247 (talk) 02:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major overwrite

message: The Reason those states were listed were because of the dispute of whether they could be considered fascist or not
you'll notice that those nations have been cited as fascist on numerous occasions
their placement is due to a semi-fascism rather than undeniablity such as the axis.
it is worth nothing that many of these places were also run by people who based their ideas and views on individuals such as Mussolini.
I think it would be most accurate to reinstate them on the page. it would certainly be inconsistant to remove states and parties that ARE described as fascist on the rest of Wikipedia. Hardly opionated to describe states that are noted by historians as bordering on fascism to be bordering on fascism. as the article states Since definitions of fascism vary, entries in this list may be controversial.  150.107.172.172 (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The other IP seem right, see the article's title, it's about movements, not countries, we should not confuse things.(KIENGIR (talk) 08:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree and it start to looks as just vandalism. Wikipedia is not someone personal web blog where someone can make own personal views and mix apples and oranges or make synthesis of things. Article title is pretty well clear, and it is about fascism. Someone personal feelings, belong to blogs or something like that. Article is clear, topic is clear and if eventually something is there more that need to have strong relevant sources and wide accepted categorisation as that. Fascist states were clear minority and they are more or less well-known and movements also.178.221.216.105 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey There! Far-Right States 

message: Movements include sovereign states and governments and even with the removal of those lists you have remained the list described as directly fascist so the "confusion" would still remain, it is also worth mentioning there is already an article called "list of fascist movements" this article serves as a more expansive less detailed list on a country by country basis.
A considerable number of  these states and parties are  described in their own articles and in the linked sources as having fascist or near fascist  tendacies, as the article does not group them under the mainstream fascist groups and instead under their own categories due to dispute over the nature of these groups I do not feel it is misleading or incorrect.
150.107.172.172 (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuation