Talk:Halo 3/Archive 1

message: I've edited the Release Date section of the page to make it better organized. It seems prudent to start with the most official release date, then get into the more outdated, but still worthwhile, information. I also cleaned up the end of the section dealing with Best Buy and Play, giving links to the product page. I don't know how necessary it is to have the last paragraph in there at all because every online store is going to make up it's own release date, probably because their inventory systems don't allow for TBA dates. Perhaps retail references should be removed. 
If anyone disagrees with my changes, please say so. --Nick, 65.100.221.52 08:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Release Date

message: Ok I made this section for stuff that has been announced and seen in both Halo 3 videos, and through Bungie.net. I dont want to see stuff that hasn't been confirmed or seen. Okay
Tonster
:What's your source for the M90 shotgun?  It isn't in the trailer and isn't mentioned in the Weekly updates as far as I can see. Ace of Sevens 04:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also wondering about the source for the phantoms and the unknown covenant weapon.  As far as I can tell, Master Chief, Cortana, the Assault Rifle, Banshees and Capital Ships are in the trailer.  Bungie later confirmed Gravemind, Beam Rifle and Warthog in weekly updates and that's it. Ace of Sevens 18:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Announced & Seen Returning Elements Section

message: I just removed two fansites from the External Links listing, don't re-add them. Darthbob100 01:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't advertise your site here 

message: Call me skeptical, but I disagree with the quote, "(and proving the video was not prerendered.)" since the Behind the Scenes video doesn't show that this was rendered on an Xbox360.  They also imply pretty heavily that the final product won't be exactly what we've seen; at several points in the video they say something to the effect of 'we hope this is what the game will look like.' 64.247.206.176 19:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There will undoubtedly bee differences between what we saw in the trailer and what will be in the box in early 2007. Case in point: compare and contrast Halo's E3 trailer with the actual game--very different. What was seen in the trailer, however, was being done in real-time, and not prerendered. This was proven where (from what I hear) the camera was moved around in order to demonstrate to observers that the trailer environment was generated in realtime using only a 360. Ourai 04:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention Bungie has previously shown off the trailer to various industry insiders post-e3 and actually flew the camera around in real-time to show off effects, including firing the assault rifle to prove that it also reflected in Chief's visor.Gspawn 14:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: And the claim that this is like the Halo 2 e3 showing is complately bogus, because that was a special case. After that e3, Bungie found out they'd spent too much time making the demo, and that harm had been done to the larger project, necessitating what was basically a rebuild of the entire game from the ground up (see Halo 2 special ed DVD). Work on Halo 3 seems to continue apace at the moment (Bungie.net Weekly Updates), and barring technical limitations, everything you saw in the e3 trailer is still in-game. There are a few things that will probably change (in my opinion)- for example, Chief's real-time visor reflections would be a major graphical waste in Campaign, necessitating the game always be prepared to render everything twice (or more, in Co-op). It's likely Bungie would limit that feature to cut-scenes or single-person Campaign in order- not because the 360 couldn't handle the reflections, but- to spend that power on other elements of the game. For example: Would you rather have a reflective visor, or perhaps 5 more characters onscreen at once with no slowdown? How about a larger full-detail draw distance, meaning even less potential popup when loading high-res textures? These are trades most anyone is willing to make in the larger scope of the game. Gspawn 14:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-rendered proof? 

message: Under discussion of the new "making of" vid from Bungie, someone changed a reference to say Master Chief was seen holding the Shotgun. I can see the misunderstanding, as Chief is seen holding a Shotgun, but only in one part of the vid. In the more commonly seen portion, he is indeed holding an Assault Rifle. The point is that the Shotgun was essentially revealed in the video, and wording thus needs to be changed to wliminate confusion. Changing. Gspawn 15:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assault Rifle / Shotgun 

message: And leave it at that. Someone attempted to input a mess of psychological mumbo-jumbo basically trying to back up the "source" bit... seriously, people just heard it wrong. That's all. There is no secret conspiracy. Take off the tinfoil hat. Deleting any future addition of this nature if they happen again. 172.131.116.25 01:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sword, Not Source 

message: Don't be overzealous with designations. For example, who says the Assault Rifle in the trailer is an "MA5B ACWS"? Isn't the ACWS a modern weapon system that people are comparing the MA5B to? Anyway- What if it's an "MA5b mkII" or an "MA16B" because of under-the-hood advancements? Until something has been absoutely proven, keep it out of the weapon/vehicle section. Also, someone listed the "M12 LRV" Warthog. The LRV designation is for Warthogs that carry the LAAG machinegun- if I remember, another version of the Hog was something like an LAAV (maybe the rocket hog from Halo PC?). Again, until you know for certain, leave out the details. Gspawn 21:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm.... "Overspecification" is when someone states too much detail. Someone edited stating the weapon in the announcement trailer was an "MA5B ACWS Assault Rifle". We have no reason at all to think the weapon is an "MA5B" (it could shoot differently, and therefore be a new model like the Magnum versus the old Pistol), let alone an "ACWS" (a modern designation Bungie's never mentioned). Does that help? Gspawn 13:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overspecification 

message: Can someone confirm whether that is an accurate screenshot or not? Peptuck 21:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed as a Photoshop in even this month's Game Informer. Gspawn 13:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then, that eliminated any possible regrets I may have had about deleting it from the article :P Peptuck 22:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Halo 3 main screen?

message: I raise the question whether MC is holding an assault rifle or a battle rifle. The assault rifle was replaced by the battle rifle in halo 2 so it would be strange if they brought it back in halo 3. It maybe a battle rifle or an unknown weapon. It is better to state this in the weapons section, ex.: "Assault rifle (speculation)" or "Battle Rifle or Assault Rifle". --Nytemunkey 04:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since those scans its both! James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 06:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assault Rifle or Battle Rifle?

message: Deleted a few bits. For clarity:<BR>
However, it could also be that Cortana means: This is the way the world ends, not with a whimper but a bang due to the bright flash during the "This is the way the world ends".
:Actually, I just wanted to save this one somewhere. Gave me a chuckle, anyway.
Because of speculation as to the identity of the Spartan shown in the trailer, Bungie has confirmed that it is the Master Chief.
:Already elsewhere in the article, not to mention I think this has mostly died off after the initial fan fervor from those who happened to read the novels.
One Xbox 360 magazine says that the ending will be somewhat biblical... [snip]
:Unencyclopedic tone, unconfirmed speculation, etc. Gspawn 04:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and someone reverted these back into the article with absolutely no discussion. Ah-well. Gspawn 14:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for fun, I added the following to the "biblical" part. It's been a bit since I read that article, but it should be close. This magazine also admits in the same article they have no special connections to Bungie, that their take on the ending is not based on any inside information, and that their information should not be considered official. Gspawn 00:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletions 

message: I made the IFPV article, which received a Prod. Anyone object to it going in here? Tar7arus 14:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That article as it stands will be deleted, as will be the reference. See the "crystal ball" section of WP:NOT for why. The site isn't worth having information about at all at the moment, and as it stands, basically no one is talking about it (I cruised half a dozen major gaming sites to check), so there's no sense even posting that it's not connected. I also checked the Unfiction forums- the premiere ARG site on the web- and "IFPV" isn't even mentioned there once. If/when it hits, they'll be all over it. And even if it WERE connected, there would still be nothing to post other than one sentence about its existance, perhaps with a second comparing it to ILB. The rest is fluff. Gspawn 15:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only do I whole-heartedly concur with Gspawn, but there is already precedent for deletion. Lyca had an article listing it as the new ilovebees for H3, but nothing to back it up. With a few preliminary checks, it was clear that there was nothing substantiating the claimed link, except for a single (very) misunderstood post of speculation on a Halo fansite. It shouldn't be merged; in fact, deletion is quite in order. Ourai 20:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IFPV 

message: I have heard rumors of the assault rifle having a grenade launcher attachment and there also being a combat knife involved in the game plus a few more covenant weapons are rumored to be in Halo 3. - Matt Husdon
No, the MA5B Assault Rifle featured in Halo 3 has not been announced to be able to have modular functions. - User:Tonster
:None of those are confirmed, whoever told you they were rumoured to be in the game probably read them off a wishlist, or similar. Personally I would like those but they are definitely not confirmed to be in the game and rumours are not put in articles, only confirmed facts.--James086 04:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: Bungie's weekly update has details of a new logo, the final official logo. Consider updating current logo with a free-source version of the new one?- Delta Spartan 03:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Bungie JUST released the first-ever shot of the logo, I don't think free ones exist yet.69.208.249.192 04:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Halo 3 Logo 

message: Should we include every variant of Marine or Grunt or Elite in this article as well as general characters? In the most recent podcast, Bungie identified a British Marine and hinted at a French one; should these be included or not? Peptuck 18:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So we also need to include the crew on the Covenant ships in the e3 trailer. The gunners, the commanders, the Minor Prophet who's probably on board. The paratroopers (orbital drop), the Ultras, the Dignataries and Ministers, the various classes of Grunts and Jackals, the Heavy Artillery (hunters, fuel rod grunts), the engineers keeping the engines running smooth, the scientists who are undoubtedly on board to study the structure... (no, you don't list jobs either). gspawn 02:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character specification

message: In the Modes of Play, it says that H3 will have Co-op. Has this been confirmed? I don't think Bungie has confirmed or denied it yet.
:Hmmm... this is a tough one. As it is Halo, it's hard to imagine co-op would not be included. And when "campaign" is mentioned, fans usually equate that with both single and co-op, making the distinction non-useful unless you specifically want to mention something ABOUT playing one way. So this is one issue that might gain an exception from the confirmation rule. But if anyone wants to be strict about this, no I don't think it has been explicitly mentioned yet. gspawn 12:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Co-Op? 

message: It has come to my attention that unqualified individuals are being continually allowed to alter, edit and genuinely fuck up the Halo 3 Wikipedia entry. As an example, I would like to present the recent deletion attributed to a user calling himself Sasuke-kun27:
"It should also be noted that Cortana's dialogue is highly remiscent of and can be attributed to that of Durandal, an artificial intelligence originating from Bungie's previous FPS series of games, Marathon."
Source: http://halosm.bungie.org/story/staten083106.html 
HBO: Additionally, the Letters themselves were strongly reminiscent of the messages from Durandal, the rampant AI from Marathon. What are your thoughts on "rampancy," AIs in the Halo universe, and Cortana specifically?
Joseph Staten (Bungie) 
The Halo story has as many loose threads as influences. And we do our best to sew the former into canon as we find them - are reminded of their potential. The Cortana Letters are an excellent example of this phenomenon. For all sorts of reasons, they lingered in canonical purgatory for years. But when we needed some compelling dialog to remind folks what's at stake in Halo3: Bam! Newfound utility! Alas, I'd have to say that, as of now, the only canonized parts of the letters are the fragments we pulled for use in the announcement trailer.
Here it is clearly stated by Joseph Staten himself that the content of the Cortana letters, its characters and references should be considered canon. It is a complilation of interweeving mythology that spans the entire works of Bungie, not simply the Halo series.
Therefore, it is highly valuable to include such footnotes in relation to Halo 3's mythology. Not only does this give new readers a more in-depth understanding of Halo's universe, it presents a rich backstory for understanding its origins.
Simply put, MISINFORMED AND UNQUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WITH A LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF BUNGIE'S CONTENT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EDIT OR DELETE THE VALUABLE AND CONFIRMABLE  CONTRIBUTIONS OF OTHERS.
Please regulate the behavior of users editing Halo 3's entry.
Edited by longtime Halo contributer Zeal of EvilAvatar, TeamXbox and HBO.
:Yes, I apoligize. I guess I was not aware of what I was reverting at the time and got careless. Nonetheless, it's no excuse to be reverting info like that and, again, I apoligize. Anyway, thank you for talking about it on the talk page and sorry for any inconvinience. But, if I may add, Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, whether it be for the sake of the article or vandalism (which is not recommended and in fact prohibited as all you will get out of it is a sign on your talk page saying that you are blocked from editing Wikipedia, normally for a day or two). Sasuke-kun27 23:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Durandal References 

message: I found the words "f**k bed" at the end of allied weaponry section. However, I could not find those when I tried to remove them-they were still there, but they did not show up on the "Edit" page. As a consequence, I am unable to delete the vandalism. Please help.
75.16.50.219 00:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is possible that the edits were reverted, between the time you read the article and the time you edited it. This would mean they were removed before you saw the editing page. I looked through the history of the article but I couldn't find exactly this occurance. But, they're gone now so I suppose it's ok. This page gets lots of vandalism each day but it gets cleared up pretty fast. James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 12:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is probably one of the more visited pages (because lots of people like Halo) and a lot of IP's probably view it. The problem with semi-protecting it is that it would seem we don't want help from new people. While I understand completely why you want to semi-protect it, the issue isn't desperate. We can cope with this level of vandalism, it's not like there aren't enough people watching this article and vandalism doesn't last long. It does get vandalized a lot but it's not so much that vandalism is always present. Also the nature of vandalism is usually harmless; meaning there isn't tons of profanities all the time, often just something like "Enemies: sausages" which is really just silliness. Many reverts are also because of unverified additions, speculation that someone thinks is fact and they add it, this is not vandalism, but it needs to be removed. This sort of thing doesn't constitute a semi-protection. While I know it would make life a lot easier, I agree with the admin's position that it wouldn't really be neccessary. Something like George W. Bush is protected because of his politics and I'm sure dozens of people look him up each day with the intention of vandalizing his article. If that article were unprotected it would be rife with comments about him and it might even need it's own bot to revert all the vandalism. Halo 3 doesn't receive that level of vandalism which is why they turned the request down. James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 03:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism

message: Swedish gaming magazine called LEVEL has a Halo 3 blowout, showing several new weapons, including a Brute Spiker, a Spartan Laser, and the Battle Rifle. These are confirmed please do not delete them. Peptuck 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep Bungie confirmed them  as being legit but they also don't want copyright troubles. I must admit they look cool:) James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 16:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mongoose ATV is also featured, and nicknamed "Mini-Warthog".
Where is this alternate name for the Spartan Laser coming from? I haven't seen it in any confirmed media released thus far. until I can get a cite, I'm removing it. Peptuck 03:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've replaced links to scans, they were already there but remove if copyright infringement. Also, someone should make a section for multiplayer and a section for singleplayer.. Sir Teh 21:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: LEVEL Halo 3 Blowout

message: How is it that the Covenant are enemies again?  @ the end of the second one many species were allied with the humans.Cameron Nedland 01:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only allies were the small group of elites on Delta Halo (and that was an uneasy truce to stop tartarus) and a small group of marines. The elites still attacked the Maser Chief on the last few levels when they were done fighting brutes. They are still attacking Earth. However please don't let this turn into a discussion of the Halo storyline, it is a talk page for discussing changes to the article. :) James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 03:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No. You have one group of Elites with some Hunters who are not shooting at humans and a pair of humans who are not shooting at Elites and Hunters, and both groups shooting at a group of Brutes because said Brutes are committing genocide of Elites and attempting to spell the end of the galaxy, all on a remote corner of a remote ringworld many light-years away from where the vast, extended majority of the Covenant and humanity are still merrily blasting the hell out of each other. There is only a brief, tenuous alliance that has absolutely no indication of spreading outward to the vast majority of either sides' remaining forces. Peptuck 04:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What he said! James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 04:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my bad.Cameron Nedland 17:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It also should be noted that in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, the Elites are still quite intent on killing humans even after the revolution begins. So clearly the truce is either limited in scope or timeframe. Peptuck 09:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enemies 

message: JAF1970 04:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1up 3 weeks

message: How it that the image used as a reference shows a spike grenade? There is a frag going off in the far left. There appears to be spikes coming off the warthog turret but I think they are just sparks. Has the article been translated into English and I missed something? James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 06:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spike Grenade?

message: Does anyone have a official UNSC Designation for the Mongoose ATV that we could use in the Confirmed Elements section? Tonster 15:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mini-Warthog. LMAO JAF1970 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongoose ATV UNSC Designation 

message: Added the pricing structure. JAF1970 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image of the Legendary edition is here, but am unsure of the rights to the image. If someone gets the rights to post it, please do. JAF1970 20:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Doesn't matter. I listed what EB Games and Gamestop are charging. It's subject to change, sure, but...JAF1970 02:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 3 preorders have begun 

message: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154831 I'm too tired to update -- someone else sort out the stuff in this big news item. :) JAF1970 04:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's called a Man Cannon. Just because it's a silly name doesn't mean it's not real, and Bungie states it's the name they're going with.JAF1970 16:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Stop removing it. It's a real name for a real feature in the game. Don't like it? Contact Bungie and complain. Whether it's a vehicle or a catapult weapon is questionable -- if you want to categorize it as a weapon, fine, but it's both a weapon and a transport.JAF1970 17:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I just want to say i feel very strong right now for not snickering everytime i read the words Man Cannon WookMuff 06:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1UP corrects Halo 3 rumors 

message: Okay you guys got THREE days to add all this info in, or that's it, I will.
info 1 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/743/743189p1.html
info 2 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/742/742313p1.html
Zabrak 01:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, Zabrak, whatever would we do without you... ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice finds. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HALO 3 BLOW OUT INFO! YOU CAN THANK ME LATER!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONE 11!!1!ONE !!!111ONE!!!ONE!!111 

message: I'm re-adding the Wraith to the vehicle list, it was confirmed by Bungie yesterday.
"Posted: 11/2/2006 6:01 PM
 
Minus 12, huh? I guess that's what happens when one experiments with interactions between various things and the Man Cannon. 
I still need to see if I can get a wraith up there though. -Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord"
darthbob 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have confirmation of this "combat knife" allegedly on the back of a spartan's leg? Also "Gas Warthog" is that supposed to be Gauss, is it confirmed? Spectre and double barreled shotgun? They have been added at the same time as the multiplayer maps. James086 Talk | Contribs 08:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vehicles and Weapons 

message: Whatever happened to the Drones? Have they been confirmed or not?
A Lone Gamer 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They haven't been confirmed but that doesn't rule them out of the game, but it does mean we can't add them to this article. James086 Talk | Contribs 05:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drones

message: Seriously, people. The "confirmed facts" and such is WAY out of hand. There are actually several pages of info there now, in a section that really shouldn't be there at all technically. I'm going to pare it down to the essentials. gspawn 04:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

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I have just modified 7 external links on Halo 3. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110523164933/http://www.1up.com/previews/halo-3_16 to http://www.1up.com/previews/halo-3_16
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121014075825/http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3155028 to http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3155028
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110805015909/http://www.1up.com/news/crackdown-disc-required-halo-3 to http://www.1up.com/news/crackdown-disc-required-halo-3
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110805005518/http://www.1up.com/news/bungie-halo-3-graphics-coming to http://www.1up.com/news/bungie-halo-3-graphics-coming
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110622064324/http://www.1up.com/news/halo-wars-hits-xbox-360 to http://www.1up.com/news/halo-wars-hits-xbox-360
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121020055431/http://www.1up.com/news/halo-3-mythic-map-pack_2 to http://www.1up.com/news/halo-3-mythic-map-pack_2
*Added  tag to http://www.informationweek.co.uk/halo-3-sales-smash-game-industry-records/202102318
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121014075902/http://www.1up.com/news/film-execs-blame-halo-3 to http://www.1up.com/news/film-execs-blame-halo-3
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Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:38, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified