Talk:Battle of Carthage, Missouri

message: In many/most of the start-of-the-ACW-in Missouri wiki articles, there is considerable incorrect (yet understandable) mixing of nomenclature with respect to the Missouri State Guard and the militia.  It was not until immediately after the Camp Jackson Affair that the MSG was formed.  Before that there was simply a state militia.  The MSG was a reorganization and reauthorization of the pre-existing system. Red Harvest (talk) 05:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Missouri State Guard and Militia confusion

message: This is a good start, but the battle section is nearly non-existent at present and requires considerable expansion.  Red Harvest (talk) 05:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle needs expansion

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved to Battle of Carthage, Missouri as proposed. (non-admin closure)  Natg 19 (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Engagement near Carthage →  – Was moved in 2019 by  without a discussion that I can find.  Essentially, the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion do refer to this as the "engagement near Carthage", but "Battle of Carthage" is what is generally used in secondary sources such as the Burchett 2013 and Hinze & Farnham 1997 books in the further reading and this older article in the Missouri Historical Review. The state of Missouri also refers to it as a battle in naming Battle of Carthage State Historic Site. "engagement near Carthage" seems primarily limited to 19th-century sources and wikipedia mirrors, so I'm not convinced that it's the best title here, since it's rarely used in modern sources that I've seen.  This clearly isn't the primary topic for Battle of Carthage (disambiguation), so it needs dabbed.  Not sure if location or year is standard, but guessing the former based on Battle of Glasgow, Missouri and Battle of Jackson, Mississippi. Hog Farm  Talk 02:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 July 2021 

message: I have reverted these edits. They appear to have been a good-faith attempt to improve the article's style and readability, but they have had a severe opposite effect - the reason I noticed these changes at all was because I read this article for this first time just now and came out of it baffled, wondering "why does this article about such a US-centric topic read like it was translated from German?" A minority of the changes are good, but the majority seem to be motivated by this editor's highly indiosyncratic views on a couple of issues (possessives with apostrophes, short prepositional phrases, and anything that even LOOKS like the passive voice, even when it's not, e.g. "Political views in Missouri were divided before the American Civil War."). The result of this crusade is sentence after sentence that is either downright ungrammatical ("Sigel returned back in Carthage", "Troops of Sigel", "Intelligence of Sigel") or extremely unnatural ("Colonel Franz Sigel" becoming "Franz Sigel, colonel"; "Lyon moved elements of his St. Louis garrison up the Missouri River by steamer" becoming "Lyon moved elements of his Saint Louis garrison to steam up the Missouri River"; "However, the force in Lamar was, for the most part, armed only with hunting rifles, shotguns, knives or, in some cases, no weapons at all" becoming "Only hunting rifles, shotguns, knives, or, in some cases, no weapons at all, however, for the most part armed the force in Lamar").
These changes, and most others in these edits, make the article far, far less readable and fluent-sounding in the service of one editor's very idiosyncratic, non-standard stylistic pet peeves. (They also cut off the second-to-last paragraph partway through.) It was clearly a lot of work done in good faith, and there are some good changes in there, but they're so overwhelmed by these other bad changes that I think the only viable solution is a full rollback. I've gone ahead and done so because I find it hard to imagine others will disagree, but please say something if you do. User:68.227.102.237, please familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia manual of style before making major style overhauls like this in the future, and if your style changes are not supported by it and are likely to be contentious in any way (e.g. removing every single instance of the passive voice because you personally don't like it), please be sure to discuss the changes on the talk page first. -Elmer Clark (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of style overhaul by [[User:68.227.102.237]]