Talk:Chibcha language

message: What does it mean?
:Please expand this article with text translated from the corresponding article in the Russian Wikipedia.
It is a Colombian language (South America. --Albeiror24 - English - Español - Italiano - ខ្មែរ 07:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if it happens to be a Colombian language? For whatever reason, the current article in the Russian Wikipedia appears to provide a ton of info about this language that is lacking in the current English article. The article in the Spanish Wikipedia provides a lot of info, too. 213.37.6.101 (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian? 

message: The article currently opens with this :-
Chibcha, also known as Muisca, is an extinct[1] Chibchan language of Colombia, formerly spoken by the Muisca people
The reference is to the homepage of the ethnologue website.  Looking at the index page, we find NO mention of Chibcha under "C" or of Muisca under "M".  Nor is there any mention of Muscat (?), Miscali or Miscast (?) - all of which are mentioned by the two editors who contributed to the section "Nomenclature".  This is not to impugne the expertise of those who have contributed to this talk page, but clearly the ethnologue website is of no value as a source for Chibcha and so I have deleted it.  This leaves unsupported the statement that Chibcha is extinct. Ridiculus mus (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They removed the entry because the lang has been extinct for too long for them to bother with.  Still noted at the ISO link, though. — kwami (talk) 00:59, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinct? 

message: Hi, I'm a Muysca person who speaks said language (and teaches it) and this page is full of misinfo, nonexisting sounds in the phonology table (/ɸ/) and some weird otrography that was for some reason made up by the creator of this article. I'd like to ask if it's possible to revise this anytime soon to fix it up, and to generally fix many pages about us Muysca; They tend to use Spanish spellings and the like while Muysca spellings are available and by all means better than their colonialist terms. (Eg, zipa (a nonexistent title in the language) -> psihipqua, zaque (once again nonexistent) -> hoa, tisquesusa -> Tysquyesuhuza (Bogotá being his name is completely incorrect and western historical revisionism: His name was most likely Tysquyesuhuza or "Under the Eight Trees"), Hunza -> Chunsua, Chibchacum (this is actually so bad) -> Chichebachun, etc.) The endonyms for all these exist and are preferrable over the colonial ones. Generally there are also grammatical issues and it fails to mention important parts of the language such as it's relation to other languages and the fact it's an ergative language, and the very important pronoun prefixes. I'd love to fix this page and give it the proper love it needs in the name of our language revival and to make wikipedia a much, much more accurate source about my people (because currently, it genuinely is not and I have to actively discourage people to go here). All of this can be confirmed by a few people including wikipedia editors. I hope this is considered. Iraca (talk) 03:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left some links on your talk page that should help you get started. C(u)w(t)C(c) 03:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Could you please share some sources you find reliable? I'm aware you are a reliable source yourself but Wikipedia has a staunch "no original research" policy. Blansheflur (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As for language sources, for most of these including the nonexistent sound, ergativity, etc. http://muysca.cubun.org is a good source and upheld by a university. As for the ortography, there's no sources against it because there's also no source proving it. All the endonyms for deities can be found on cubun, aswell as most placenames. Give me a few hours and I'll find what I can. Iraca (talk) 09:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page is genuinely abysmal 

message: Hi, Would it be a good idea to perhaps revise this page in a few ways? The dictionary http://muysca.cubun.org exists and can be used as a source, as I noticed this page has a couple errors. Would it be worth it to perhaps switch to Gomez' reconstructed phonology aswell, instead of Gonzalez'? I think the former would be a lot more accurate to the actual language than Gonzalez'. The dictionary itself is a very reliable source, it is competely sourced/scanned from contemporary documents and made and maintained by the national university of Colombia. Thanks! Livvypivvy (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page cleanup 

message: It seems that there is a current political agenda to show Chibcha as a language with native speakers, and to show that there is uniformity and consensus in the study of the language, perhaps to claim only one of the many processes of revival of the language, and the only thing this leads to is hiding more than 300 years of history of exclusion, servitude and marginalization of the Chibchas and their language, and this should not happen. Please give preponderance to accredited sources and do not use Wikpedia to advertise your prejudices and ideologies.
94.73.32.9 (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political narrative and historical erasure 

message: I would like to change edit the sourced info for the phonology section, and remove excess spaces within the sections Fdom5997 (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The source I am using is Gonzalez (2006). I am switching the parentheses in the phonological chart from (β, ɣ) to (b, ɡ) Fdom5997 (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 21 May 2024