Talk:Pelé/Archive 1

message: I don't know enough about soccer to do this, but could someone more knowledgeable please add something about Pele's style in soccer and whether and what kind of new techniques he brought to the game? I think that would make this article more complete.
:I'm not sure how much can be added. He was more of an effective player than a flashy player (like Maradona, Best etc) so he didn't have his own style as such. As for moves, he is widely thought tohave invented the bicycle kick, but Pele himself admits the move came about a decade earlier. Sometimes people refer to a "Pele 7" which is where someone kicks the ball up with their left foot, right foot, right knee, left knee, left shoulder, right shoulder before heading it, but this isnt really a single move, and I believe Pele only did it once. TJM
As a brazilian, and Pelé fan, I never heard about that. I should add that Pelé brought to many things to the game. The "paradinha" (stop and go) at the penalty kick, the physical play ("jogo de corpo"), the velocity, the minimalist play, like when he fooled the uruguaian goalkeeper in 70 WC without touching the ball. ARDB
I think that he just changed the way that we saw football could be played.  He inspired the world with his delicate touches and brilliant football mind. ALV
===Bicycle Kick===
The Bicycle Kick is often credit to Leonidas da Silva. He played the 1938 World Cup. --Abu Badali 05:17, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
Can someone rewrite "clinical finisher" in language understandable to Americans?  I suspect it means "consistently successful goal-scorer", but I don't know. —JerryFriedman 21:19, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is an equivalent word, it means someone who is extremely reliable at putting the ball in the back of the net when presented with the opportunity - a particular type of goal-scoring.
I would agree...I think "clinical finisher" should stay. I also think americans should put some effort into understanding terminology,there is no need to change correct terminology just so americans can understand it...put a bit of effort in...learn.
Yes, there's nothing unamerican about that terminology. I'm shocked that someone would find it difficult to understand! Danielwharris 22:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Best, and most interesting solution is to write an article on it: clinical finisherSeabhcán 09:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele style 

message: The Bicycle Kick is often credit to Leonidas da Silva. He played the 1938 World Cup. --Abu Badali 05:17, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
Can someone rewrite "clinical finisher" in language understandable to Americans?  I suspect it means "consistently successful goal-scorer", but I don't know. —JerryFriedman 21:19, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is an equivalent word, it means someone who is extremely reliable at putting the ball in the back of the net when presented with the opportunity - a particular type of goal-scoring.
I would agree...I think "clinical finisher" should stay. I also think americans should put some effort into understanding terminology,there is no need to change correct terminology just so americans can understand it...put a bit of effort in...learn.
Yes, there's nothing unamerican about that terminology. I'm shocked that someone would find it difficult to understand! Danielwharris 22:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Best, and most interesting solution is to write an article on it: clinical finisherSeabhcán 09:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bicycle Kick

message: This used to be a pic of Pelé:
It's a cropped version of this one.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/08july20051459/www.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phok97v2.jpg
It looks awkward now... --Zahn 21:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to this image? 

message: People know that when Pele played he wasnt the best player in the world. He was hadpicked as the worlds best player to represent the good in football...poor boy made good..thats all.
Even he would admit that half a dozen other Brazilain and European players were better then him at the time.
His performaces at world cup level were fantastic but at club level he did little. He didnt test himself in Europe so we will never know.
Over time this gets lost....These same people will one day label Zidane, Beckham, Figo and Roanldo as world class but we all know they did nothing at Real all together. Look at Ronaldinho at Barca showing world class and thats just one guy...
SHUT UP YOU IDIOT!!!!! MAYBE THE ONLY TWO PLAYERS WHO CAME CLOSE TO HIM WHEN HE PLAYED WERE DI STEFANO AND GARRINCHA, MAYBE. WHO ARE THESE OTHER PLAYERS HE WOULD ADMIT TO BEING WORSE THAN???  YOUR ARGUMENT IS FLAWED FOR SO MANY REASONS. THAT INSANITY YOU TALK ABOUT RONALDINHO DOING IT ON HIS OWN IS LUDICROUS. DO THESE NAMES RING A BELL ETO'O, DECO, MESSI, PUYOL, INIESTA, GIULY ETC... AND HOW YOU CAN POSSIBLY TRY AND SAY HE IS BETTER THAN ZIDANE IS BEYOND ME. ZIDANE HAS WON EVERYTHING AND BEEN THE BEST PLAYER IN EACH TEAM HES PLAYED IN INCLUDING GREAT TEAMS SUCH AS THE JUVENTUS OF THE LATE NINETIES, THE REAL MADRID SIDE OF 2001-2003 AND THE FRANCE SIDE THAT WAS BY FAR AND AWAY THE BEST NATIONAL SIDE FROM 98-2001. RONALDINHO HAS EXCELLED AT ONE CLUB AND BEEN QUITE GOOD FOR BRAZIL. THERE IS IN REALITY NO COMPARISON. BACK TO PELE AND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT HIM NOT TESTING HIMSELF IN EUROPE: IF YOU BEAT ALL THE EUROPEAN NATIONAL SIDES SURELY THAT MEANS YOUVE PROVED YOURSELF OR IS THAT LOGIC A LITTLE TOO STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR YOU.
:What is the point of this?  Im not even saying I disagree completely with you, but he *is* widely viewed as the sports most famous and favorite player.  He would admit there is better players than him because he has a value known as 'class'.  Furthermore, your jab at Zinedine Zidane not being world class further mutes your point because once again, a huge majority of the world will disagree with you. Karl Friedrich 18:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Overated 

message: Add more references and help inline cite them. Skinnyweed 00:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More have been added - this cite notice is starting to look a bit disproportionate.  Gerry Lynch 14:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: The pronunciation of his name currently given -- pɛ'læ -- does not look right to me, but I am not a speaker of Brazilian Portuguese.  Could someone who is please check? --Macrakis 19:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a native speaker of PT, but I'm regrettably even less fluent in IPA.   The first e is closed, roughly like an e in Spanish or Italian.     The second e carries the accent and is very open, eh, almost like the English e in egg.   At some point I should learn enough IPA to verify it, but I can see that it would be very counterintuitive for someone coming from EN or ES. Cheers - PhilipR 06:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Do we have a source for the statement that 'Pelé' has some connection to a word of courtyard? This BBC article states "The word had no meaning in Portuguese so he presumed it was an insult, but recently he has found out that it means miracle in Hebrew." 
:I didn't understand your point. But the word Pelé come from 'Bilé'. It was the name of a goalkepper from the team where Pelé's father used to play. Pelé used to cheer the name of Bilé. So he became known as 'Bilé', but his friends couldn't say 'Bilé', so they adopted to a easier word, which is Pelé. BelegurthHã? 00:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that? (Over the past couple of weeks, I have asked every Brazilian I know. Every one give a different answer) Seabhcán 20:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Pelé? 

message: Has anyone seen the new Pelé commercial in which he chastises piracy?  The commercial is dubbed since Pelé can only speak Portugese.  Well, it turns out he was actually saying, "download my soccer films, GO BRAZILIA!" --Hoopaholic400 17:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé and piracy 

message: This nomination is on hold for 7 days for these reasons: writing is POV in favor of Pele and uses weasel words--it's too laudatory and needs a more encyclopedic tone, and the sports awards part of the references section needs fixed. Rlevse 18:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Failed due to partial compliance with suggestions. Rlevse 23:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: "due to a injury suffered in the 2nd match he did not played the whole Cup not receiving a winner's medal"
(Introduction, 4th paragraph.)
This sentence is clearly incorrect and demonstrates a very poor use of english. In particular, "he did not played" and "a injury". 
I recommend changing the sentence to the following; "due to an injury suffered in the 2nd match, Pele did not play enough games during the Cup to qualify for a winner's medal."
Thank you.
:. Please remember to post all new entries in Talk pages at the bottom and to always sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). -- Alexf42 00:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct this sentence please

message: Inspired by the stats table at Hank Aaron (He's a baseball player, and in baseball they're kind of into their stats) I've changed the table above to allow us to enter every single goal Pele scored in Santos colours, and also to give a subtotal to make it clear which goals we're counting as "Domestic League". What do you think? We would still need somewhere to put apps/goals for army teams, and other teams Pele played for, but I think this is a good way of dealing with the Santos statistics. Jim (Talk) 10:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table style change 

message: I'm curious, why does Pelé Eterno redirect to Pelé? - ChaChaFut 03:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pelé Eterno is a Portuguese documentary about Pelé. I'm not sure why the redirect was initially setup: perhaps because someone thought the documentary didn't deserve its own page, and because there is a little information about it on the Pelé article. Even the Portuguese Wikipedia doesn't have that much information on the documentary , but perhaps someone could create a stub on the English Wikipedia? I'm not sure if it was released in English-speaking countries, but the imdb do give it an English title  so I guess we can assume it was. --Jim (Talk) 10:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé Eterno redirect 

message: The two sentences below are very confusing to me:
The table below attempts to record every goal Pelé scored in competitive club competition for Santos and New York Cosmos. At this moment it is known of various games that are not included (for instance Pelé's 7 goals in the Intercontinental Cup), but all major annual competitions are included.
Can someone rewrite this so that it makes sense (and has correct grammar)? What exactly is included in the table and what isn't? You can't say that it is "every goal" but "various games are not included". That sounds contradictory. If it is just a list of "all major annual competitions", it should simply say that. Kaldari 01:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been fixed. Kaldari 06:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing sentences 

message: Glad to see Pele got the WPF AID. It's just a bummer that my dissertation is due on Friday, or I would do more serious work. Maybe I'll have my own AID for Pele next week.
One thing I would like to see by the end of the week is the expanded goals table being included in the article. With this in mind, what do you all reckon about merging the last two columns, so that all of Pele's goals in friendlies and small competitions are in one column? This could be headed "Other Club Goals" and a note be put in to explain precisely what this meant. I really don't want to go through the entire goal list and pin each goal to a competition or friendly, but at least this way of working would give someone else the option to do this in the future. --Jim (Talk) 23:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goalscoring table again... 

message: Twice this article states that Pele is credited with scoring 1,281 goals, and twice the article states that he scored a total of 1,282 goals. The article should either cite one statistic consistantly or explain the descrepancy within the article text. That is, if we believe the 1,282 stat is correct and the 1,281 stat is incorrect, we need to explain why in the article. Otherwise it is an unexplained contradiction. Kaldari 06:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lower number is the more often quoted. The higher number comes from the big excel file, which claims that it counts a few friendly games from the end of his career that aren't usually counted. However if one removes these (3, I think) games, then Pele's goals go down to 1,280 (he scored 2 in one game), so the numbers still aren't consistent. I guess 1,281 is the number we should probably go with. aLii 08:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are going to resolve this I think we'll need get hold of some more official statistics. Does the IFFHS supply this for free? Otherwise, there is the Duarte book which lists every one of Pele's goals. It would be good to get this resolved. --Jim (Talk) 16:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it would especially be good to get this resolved before Wikipedia Version 0.5 is finalized. The review period for 0.5 is scheduled to end on September 30th. After that, some version of this article will be written into stone (or more likely a DVD). It would be unfortunate to have this ambiguity remaining in the version selected for 0.5. Alternatively, why is not possible to just explain the discrepancy within the text of the article? Right now the reader is still left with the question of "Why does Wikipedia claim that Pele scored 1,282 goals if most sources say he scored 1,281?". Putting "See also the talk page" in the article (as it does now) is absolutely not acceptable (since Wikipedia self-references are not allowed). We should either remove the discrepency or add a paragraph to the article text (not in the notes) which says which sources claim 1,281 and which sources claim 1,282 and let the reader decide for themselves. Kaldari 20:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1,281 or 1,282? goals 

message: the "hungary" link links to portugal not hungary. 
:The good thing is you can fix it yourself, by pressing the "edit this page" button. Anyways, it is now corrected :) Poulsen 11:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1966 world cup section 

message: :1. Well written? Pass
:2. Factually accurate? Pass
:3. Broad in coverage? Pass
:4. Neutral point of view? Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images? Pass
Additional comments :
* The article should state his name as Pelé not as sometimes written Pele (that should be easy to fix).
* The end of the section Santos is a bit weak.
* In the table, the club names should be valigned in the center.
Lincher 17:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 15:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural depictions of Pelé]] 

message: Over the summer a few of us did a lot of work on sorting out Pele's goal record, and we added a good list of statistics to the main article. We then modified the statistics a little and kept our progress on the Talk Page, with a few to eventually moving it over. The table still isn't finished, but all that remains to be done is a bit of donkey work (the cells with "question marks" can be easily inferred with a little subtraction). I've moved the table into the article in the hope that someone will do the donkey work for me!! --Jim (Talk) 01:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele's goal-record... 

message: In Lithuanian language the word 'Pelė' means both Mouse and Mouse (computing). 
See House Mouse (in Lithuanian)
Similar to Lithuanian language is Latvian language. In Latvian language the word 'Pele' have the same meanings as the word 'Pelė' in Lithuanian language.
See Mouse (in Latvian)
But the Lithuanian word 'Pelė' is almost exact as the word 'Pelé'.
Robertukas 16:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more meaning of Pelé 

message: I can provide a large number of links to media and/or expert polls ranking Pele as the best footballer in history. Other than a controversial Internet fan poll that favored Maradona, I know of no other widely publicized poll that did not rank Pele as the top player in history. For that reason, I think it is certainly fair to say that he is widely considered the greatest player of all-time. That choice of words does not assert that it is necessarily the case, or that the certain individuals are not free to disagree, it merely states a belief that is widely held, based on the bulk of the evidence available. If necessary, I'll provide links for the many polls or rankings if anyone thinks that is appropriate or necessary. Ronnymexico 14:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ronny, your insertion of "A consensus of media and expert polls rank Pele as the greatest footballer of all-time. [26]" is still a problem in my view. If these polls are notable (some seem not in my opinion) then they should be listed as, for example, "Pele came top of France Football's Football Player of the Century poll". This should be stated rather than just "A consensus of media and expert polls rank Pele as the greatest footballer of all-time". Stu ’Bout ye! 15:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you feel that it's a problem because they aren't spelled out or because you don't feel that it's a consensus? I figured that the "consensus" statement was proven via the link (there are others that aren't there as well, BBC and L'Equipe off the top of my head, I have a list somewhere that I can track down) and thought it would help make the page less cluttered and easier to navigate by simply providing the link rather than listing out "France Football ranks Pele as the best", "International Federation of Football History and Statistics' poll ranks Pele as the best," "La Republicca ranks Pele as the best," "Placar Magazine ranks Pele as the best," etc. etc. Ronnymexico 15:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, listing each individual one would be too cluttered. How about "In media and expert polls, Pele consistantly ranks top.", or something along those lines. Stu ’Bout ye! 12:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest Player of All-Time 

message: Pele's stub on his last match contains some inaccuracies.  I suggest it be expanded as follows:
On October 1, 1977, Pelé closed out his legendary career in an exhibition match between the Cosmos and Santos. Santos arrived in New York and New Jersey after previously defeating the Seattle Sounders 2-0. The match was played in front of a capacity crowd at Giants Stadium and was televised in the United States on ABC's Wide World of Sports as well as throughout the world.  Pele's father and wife both attended the match.  Pele gave a brief pre-match speech during which he asked the crowd to say the word "love" with him three times.
Pele played the first half for the Cosmos and the second half for Santos.  Reynaldo scored the first goal for Santos, kicking the ball into the net after it had deflected off the crossbar.  Pele then scored his final goal on a direct free kick, driving the ball past the diving Santos goalkeeper. 
At halftime, the Cosmos retired Pele's number 10.  Pele presented his Cosmos shirt to his father, who was escorted to the field by Cosmos captain Werner Roth.
During the second half, Cosmos striker Ramon Mifflin, who had replaced Pele when he switched sides at halftime, scored on a deflected cross, and the Cosmos won the match 2-1.  After the match, Pele was embraced by the Cosmos players, including longtime rival Giorgio Chinaglia, and then ran around the field while holding an American flag in his left hand and a Brazilian flag in his right hand.  Pele was soon lifted by several Cosmos players and carried around the field.
After the match, Pele and his wife gave a tearful interview to Frank Gifford of ABC with his wife at his side. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daesups16 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: romario has equalled this tally now, - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6675363.stm but he admits this included youth games and friendly.--Numberwang 10:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele's last match 

message: i work with a brazilen and he happen to find a silver trophy from brylcreem in the name of pele's name , does  anybody now if he lost a trophie dated in 1961 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.19.163.83 (talk) 21:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lost silver trophie of pele found 

message: he happened to go to brazil 17 years ago and went to visit family members, he says he was washing clothing outside and looked up at a window that had an old antique cup on it with tooth brushes
in it, he looked up at the cup and grabed it to look at, when he noticed some engraving on it he cleaned  it and it  read taca  de brazil pele's name, brlycreem  the reason why he recevied it which was for scoreing the most goals for that  year 1961 then he asked the the guy who lived there who was a friend if he can have it and he said he had that cup on his window for years and he was tired of looking at it and he can have it not nowing what it actualy was. i'm writeing this becauce the guy that has this trophie showed it to me and he said he had it for 17 years on his mantal he finaly wanted to now if it was authentic which he says it is but he wants to sell it. personly i think it's real but i have now way of nowing this unless i make it public or some one give me information on going about getting some attention for this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.19.163.83 (talk) 22:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lost silver trophie of pele found 

message: Who is this Medardo 'Lalo' Olea? Is he really a "renowned football star"? Clarityfiend 01:21, 26 September 2007 
(UTC)
:I second Clarityfiend's question. I follow football quite closely but I've never heard of this Medardo character. It would be good to have this point clarified. MUSIKVEREIN 20:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like BS to me. Google shows little. A website with the same text as en:WP (so we may have a copyvio issue), and a car dealership in Eureka, Cailfornia showing a picture of a salesman called Medardo Olea. The interesting issue here is that his email address includes the nickname 'Lalo' (Note that Lalo is a common nickname in Spanish). Sounds fishy to me. Now we have to check the logs to see when this was added and by whom. Would you care to bet it came from an ISP serving Eureka, California? Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 21:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought. I've changed it based on a Time magazine source. Clarityfiend 19:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Good show, Clarityfiend. That Medardo bit was most likely a vandalistic hoax. MUSIKVEREIN 20:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discoverer 

message: Barely a day goes by without some troll vandalising the Pelé page, thus causing many good faith editors - myself included - the trouble of having to undo insults, POV remarks and inaccuracies thrown in there on a daily basis. Most if not all of these disturbers are anons whose only purpose is to violate the Wikipedia rules. The latest perpetrator, a certain 209.50.156.164, is a case in point: go to his talk page and all you'll find is a staggering roster of warning and temporary blocking messages (to no avail, since he is at it again as soon as the block is lifted). These "users" should be blocked indefinitely. Also, isn't there a technical way to protect the Pelé page from further editing, at least for some time ? MUSIKVEREIN 18:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can request page protection, in which case IP and new users will not be able to edit the article. I will do this now, as it appears the article is vandalized quite frequently. Jack?! 15:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuous vandalism 

message: His nickname definitely carries the accent on the second "e", otherwise, it would not represent how this word is spoken. "Pele", is the word for "skin" in Portuguese, while "pelé" has some other origin . Therefore, I'm replacing all instances of "Pele" in the article for "Pelé". hawck (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele vs Pelé 

message: I'm just curious. We have a table even in his article, with indepedent sources which say in the league for Santos he scored 589 goals in 605 games, but until I made an edit to correct the infobox it included the unofficial games in the player template.. yet the player template specifically states "Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only." :$ ... is this not a double standard? All players need to have the same standard. - Sivorian (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Pele get different rules to all other players? 

message: sry for my last mistake, inadvertently I press "save page" instead of "show preview" anyway is good to see that this page had acquired some protection and I agree with Sivorian that all players must have the same standard  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybershore (talk • contribs) 02:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: Other than the info about his early life, this entry contains no information about Pele's personal life: girlfriends, wives, children, residences, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.209.105 (talk) 06:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life 

message: Hi, I've made a contribution on "Others Records" section of Pele main article. I 'd like to receive commentaries and talk about
Thank you  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybershore (talk • contribs) 04:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My contribution 

message: I suggest that it's necessary to look for more sources of referring information to the statistics since the main used here ( the RSSSF ) does not seem to be inside of acceptable standards of research, it does not present full account of detailed source not provided data for cross validation and comparison with other 'institutions' and  all this are essential to avoid the proliferation of Data snooping in Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.52.189.184 (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urgent Investigation 

message: I believe the article about Pele are good but need a clean up or Better explanations about some claims and other player’s names included,  basically those names and claims that don’t add nothing to the article and seems, without better reason, just placed to make stand out these same claims ( without fundaments ) and names. I put here my arguments :
1)Maradona : in the FiFa poll by internet some years ago he “won” it with irregularities as for example having 4,000 votes from just one same ID from Argentina and the guy who did it subscribed himself to vote as "george bush jr.". Pele then recognized the sense of humour and the comicality of situation and accepted divide the award ( The Player of the Century ). I content that this important fact must be quote or the mentions about the other player and this award (just one more received by Pele) should be rethinked;
2)Bican : There is no evidence from anywhere Or reliable arguments from more than one independent and established statical institutions that provide the claims about Bican’s supposed records and
3)The claims from these people insist in count only the goals scored by Pele in Championships Leagues But make the curious and rough mistake in consider the goals scored by him in short term International Tournaments between European and South American teams – a very common event in 1960’s – as if scored in friendly matches what seems not just a coarse error but a aforethought and ill-meaning act.
I hope have helped to give some light about this matter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.62.138.203 (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: I tagged the 'Other Records' section for cleanup--the first paragraph is okay, but the remaining paragraphs have not only grammatical and spelling problems, but also don't read as an encyclopedia should.
The information it presents may be useable in a rewrite, but it definitely needs to be rewritten, as.....well, there's just so much wrong with it--including, as I just noticed, barely relevant, if not completely irrelevant, information concerning Brazilian football teams in general. I'll add an importance-sect template right now.
Excantiaris (talk) 00:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup in 'Other Records' 

message: Last edition explained:
1st paragraph, after check the complain in Clean up let by 189.62.138.203 (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Clean Ups requested 

message: When Pele was headed to Sao Paulo is his chauffeur-driven car ,he got robbed and was forced to hand over a watch, a gold chain, and a mobile telephone to a 10-strong gang of thugs. This happened about two weeks ago,I think. Would someone add this to his article,I think that its pretty important.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.131.155 (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robbed in traffic near Sao Paulo ? 

message: I heard somewhere that pele means "miracle" in Hebrew. Certainly a coincidence, but an interesting one. Does someone know anything about it? Zhelja (talk) 15:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: If Pelé was one of the first black persons to be featured on the cover of Life magazine, it would have to have been before Jackie Robinson, May 8, 1950, or Dorthy Dandridge, November 1, 1954. It would be sufficient to say he appeared on the cover and cite the issue date. Group29 (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Magazine 

message: Anybody have any information on how much he was paid while playing in Brazil? Also, how did the Brazilian government keep top players from leaving the country to go make big money in Europe, did they take their passports or something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.222.40 (talk) 07:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earnings 

message: Indeed the restrictions related to refrain the best talents of then Brazilian Football let the country weren't results of a governmental direct acts But a series of regulation, bylaws of Brazilian Sportive Legislation knowed as "Lei do Passe" as well as the Lobby's Power of Club's Managers in the judiciary and legislative branches, amongst others legal ways, to maintain a complete control over the Footballers Professional lives, a social behavior inherit from slavery period.
Unlike the Argentineans and Uruguayans for example, the majority of Brazilian players ( after popularization and mainly after the football in Brazil became Professional since the 1920's and 1930's ), came and still come from the low Social/Financial classes with little, if any, regular school education and historic of politic mobilization. The last Military Dictatorship in Brazil just accentuated these conditions. 
Important to note that All this was put to use Not just to avoid that the Top Athletes let the country But to Teams shut the doors Out to them include for others clubs from the same Regional League. For a Great player, change Club was practicable just when his career was clearly in the downside, as Garrincha in the second half of 1960's OR when he was eclipsed by a more talented footballer in his position - in a era when substitutions during the matches weren’t not allowed, this was the case of  Mazzola for example - after lose his position, went to Italy and became a idol there playing the 1962 World Cup for  Squadra Azzurra  ( in those times a player who had did a World Cup for one country wasn't forbade to play another cup for another country );
Same as  Filó already had in 1930's. Back to Pele's era,  Canario  was another player who after lose his position to Garrincha in Botafogo and Brazilian National Team in the end of the 1950's, went to Spain and became champion in the 1960's such as by Madrid.
Much before became minister of Sports in the Fernando Henrique Cardoso's first Administration Pele protest against this situation calling the "Lei do Passe" as a Slavery on Football. Despite the campaign in the Media did by the lobby of clubs against the original project and the after amendments placed by this powerful group, the "Pele's Law" and the "Zico's Law" help to put a end on it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybershore (talk • contribs) 02:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note also, that from some time in the 1960s Italy and Spain, traditionally Europe's best paying countries, had their borders closed for foreign players until the early-mid 1970s. England back then was not yet the place of real big money and rather incestuous for whichever reason. France was a nobody and German's hired only relatively cheap Yugoslavs and Austrians. Apart from that, comparisons in US-$ don't really wash, as it is a relatively downward orientated currency. One would be better off trying to compare transfers in Swiss Franks. 58.168.104.12 (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Times, Other Culture, Other Economy, Other World 

message: Why, of all his honors, is this one put right at the top next to his name? It's simply an honor from a single (relatively small and unimportant) state so it seems very odd indeed that it is given such precedence in this article. I can only surmise that the editor in question is from the country which gave that honor and is attempting in this way to link his or her nation with Pelé. 86.45.1.225 (talk) 01:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is relative I guess189.62.137.227 (talk) 16:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[KBE?]] 

message: other references has Pele's first name as EDSON and not EDISON  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.59.108 (talk) 01:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The best reference to Pele's name is his birth certificate, which can be seen in the movie "Pele Forever". --Tonyjeff (talk) 02:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  name 

message: And there was me thinking Pele played in that one? Apparently not, for there is no section on it here. I realise that he didn't win but it deserves equal coverage, surely? It was probably the World Cup in which he played the most important role for Brazil, and it was at the peak of his ability. 90.192.223.203 (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1966 world cup 

message: And who is him? Has he got a full name? Is Bilé in itself a nickname? There's no online data on him to confirm his existance... How can this be more than mere myth without such data? Hope someone adds it soon...Undead Herle King (talk) 11:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems Bilé was named José Lino da Conceição Faustino, I obtained this name by going from the English wikipedia to the portuguese wikipedia to get the word "goleiro" (goalkeeper") for the search on Vasco Da Gama's football teams and Bilé, but with a photo and all I'm not that much into portuguese to understand any better...Undead Herle King (talk) 11:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilé 

message: When I enter Pele, I am redirected here to the soccer player's page, when I am instead looking for Pele the Hawaiian goddess. The redirect for Pele should redirect to her, not the soccer player, shouldn't it? Especially give that the goddess IS spelled without the accent mark. 71.38.145.247 (talk) 01:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect Issue 

message: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Regina_Machado
Put it in
164.41.42.15 (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé's OTHER DAUGHTER 

message: I admire Pelé, but it's too much to say that he was the greatest player of all time. It's not absolutely, because some consider Maradona, or Puskás greater than Pelé. My propose is to change to "one of the greatest", which seems more appropriate, rather than "the greatest".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest player of all time 

message: Pelé had a prominent, though not starring, role in the 2006 film Once in a Lifetime: The Extraordinary Story of the New York Cosmos that is not listed in the "Acting and film career" section (or anywhere else) in this article.
The Estádio Rei Pelé (english: King Pelé Stadium) was built in Maceió, Brazil in 1970 and named in tribute to Pelé.  It could be listed in the "Cultural references" section of this article.  67.86.75.96 (talk) 00:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  a couple of suggested additions 

message: There is a controversy now going on the page about the correct spelling of Pelé's real name. What happens is that Pelé was effectively registered as "Edison", because his father got the name from the American inventor Thomas Edison. However, since the form "Edson" is vastly more popular in Brazil, that is the spelling that came to be associated with Pelé's name, and that is how his real name is written virtually everywhere in that country  (newspapers, magazines, books, etc.). So, there it is: "Edison" is technically and formally the correct spelling, but everybody in Brazil refers to Pelé's real name as "Edson". MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's nothing to do with 'everybody in Brazil'. It's what his family called him from the start. (What I imagine may have happened is that the clerk wrote down Edison, assuming the father to be undecuated.) Salopian (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: If "technically" his name was registered as Edison, than Edson is much more a nickname than his name de facto. "Edison" is the name his family gave to him, and in terms of Law he is known as "Edison". It may, perhaps, be pointed that, nevertheless, he's more known as "Edson", but cannot state that this is his name. --Tonyjeff (talk) 23:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, his de facto name is definitely Edson: unless he is lying in his autobiography, he was called that by his family from birth. It's his de jure name that is apparently Edison. Salopian (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no point in arguing de jure and de facto names. I may create a nickname for myself and become more known by it, being called so by relatives and anybody else. The nickname may be a misspelling of my name (in fact, something very common in Brazil). Even so, my name will be the original one, which is registered in my birth certificate. It may be pointed that he is more known as Edson, but not state that this is his name. --Tonyjeff (talk) 14:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: De facto implies something much stronger than just a nickname, and as such describes the situation here. I don't know about Brazilian law, but in the U.K. one can use a different name legally, so long as one uses it everywhere in one's life, without changing it by deed poll. Anyway, the point is that you cannot just state that one's unequivocal name is the one on one's birth certificate. I have no idea about Wikipedia guidelines -- do they state that full name means 'string of letters on one's birth certificate'? Certainly the article should state both what's on the certificate and what he was called from birth unless someone here actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to Brazilian law. You need to get into a neutral mindset, instead of talking about the version used by the family as a "misspelling" of the certificate version. Salopian (talk) 12:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: In Brazil, one must modify the registry of the name to be considered legally, just like Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and José Sarney. Otherwise, it will be just like a nickname. I have already said that it may be pointed that he is more known as Edson, but not state that this is his name. Even because, if we should consider his name the nick by which he is more known, it would be "Pelé". --Tonyjeff (talk) 04:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some users try to change the name "Edison" to "Edson", keeping the same sources for the first name (as a way to disguise their edition). Please, let's take care with it. Thanks. --Tonyjeff (talk) 19:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but this is a big hoax. You are trying to move it to Spanish Wikipedia and we do not believe in that kind of pseudo sources. The only truth about the name of Pele it is Edson, NOT Edison. Check it out and put the end of the hoax.--Futbolero (talk) 09:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

text: The nice thing would be to avoid this hoax that you are trying to prove in Spanish Wikipedia. I do not know your purpose but Wikipedia should not allow that hoax.--Futbolero (talk) 21:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Does anyone object to this? Another suggestion is that we keep the current policy and we introduce him as Edison "Edson" Arantes do Nascimento and that we change his birth date to "21st of July  October" (with a proper explanation note). Anyway, both his name and his birth date must be consistent either with his birth certificate, or with Pelé's claims. In the absence of objection, I'll proceed shortly in one of these modifications. — Xavier, 07:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree Xavier. We need to explain the Edison/Edson thing in the article. Also, I have added a reference to the previous only Pelé Eterno reference. emijrp (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  . Diff here. I finally chose the second way with a slight modification: both forenames and birth dates are given, along with an extensive explanation including full quotes (original birth certificate and Pelé's opinion). Hope you will all agree with this. — Xavier, 15:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

text:  BTW, as you can see, the actual source of Pelé's quote is not the 1977 book "Pele: My Life and the Beautiful Game", as stated on Amazon website, but a 2006 book titled "Pelé: the autobiography". I fixed this too. — Xavier, 15:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edison vs. Edson 

message: "Please change Apart from the assertion that the name is derived from that of Bilé, the word has no known meaning, although it is the name of a Hawaiian volcano goddess and it does resemble the Irish language word peile, meaning football. to While it is asserted that the name is derived from that of Bilé, the name has a direct coincidental Hebrew meaning. The Hebrew word pele( פּלא )literally translates to mean magic, a wonder or a miracle. In fact the word pelefon (פלאפון)has come to be a very common Hebrew word for the cellphone. Pele is also the name of a Hawaiian volcano goddess and it resembles the Irish language word peile, meaning football." 196.23.237.214 (talk) 21:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that pele (פלא) in Hebrew means "wonder" is a pure coincidence. The Hebrew word has the first sylable as the strongest, while in Hebrew the second is the strongest (hence the accent over the second "e" in his name: Pelé). The article states that the origin is the name of goal keeper Bilé, so there is no point in mentioning the Hebrew meaning, since there is not actual relation. Renato (talk) 22:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Not done:  is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. However, Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Nonetheless, please remember to a cite a reliable source for any possibly contestable changes. Intelligentsium 02:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Meaning of Pele 

message: If you look at the picture where it says "The marks that Pelé left inside the Maracanã Stadium", the plaque above his foot prints reads Edson Arantes do Nascimento. So his name should be spelt Edson not Edison.
Sst787 (talk) 19:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It cannot be denied that he's more known as "Edson", and much of the media uses this spelling. However, his "name" is what was legally registered. Marilyn Monroe changed her name legally; Pele didn't. --Tonyjeff (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Continued 

message: Pele's official first name is EDSON, withOUT an "i" not Edison with and "i".
Sambking (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From a bit of Googling, it looks like his birth certificate says Edison but he prefers Edson; sources vary a bit. If you'd like to write some appropriate referenced information with reliable sources, please do so and resubmit. Thanks,   Chzz  ►  01:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Sambking, 28 May 2010 

message: Pelé means "bald" in French. See Mont Pelé.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.2.155.28 (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bald 

message: Pele's first name is Edson, not Edison. http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=63869/index.html
67.177.157.189 (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 67.177.157.189, 5 June 2010 

message: Please note as part of Wikipedia:Pending changes review I have just accepted this edit that purports "Peile" "resembles" the genitive for football in Gaelic. I noted that the BBC page cited does have a user-provided  comment on an Irish meaning, but this therefore may not meet Wikipedia's standard for a reliable source. The BBC article proper does not mention Gaelic, Irish, or Wales at all, but does state "he has found out that it means miracle in Hebrew", which is missing from the wikipedia page. A more knowlegable editor could review that section. -84user (talk) 16:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  nickname from Gaelic 

message: Stats summary for all normal players in Wikipedia count only national leagus matches. Why Pele's stats include all the matches (including frendly ones)? This should be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.205.206.22 (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats are wrong 

message: The name written on the picture of his feet marks is Edson (not Edison), and on www.imdb.com it says it's Edson too. --201.214.5.211 (talk) 19:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See #Edison vs. Edson. —Stephen (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

text: (ec) IMDb is NOT a reliable source. TbhotchTalk C. 20:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention: name 

message: Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep ten threads.--Oneiros (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: --Oneiros (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automate archiving? 

message: Can someone (registered) edit the ungrammatical text under the photo that reads:
"Pelé cries on the shoulder of a peaceful Gilmar, after Brazil win the 1958 Cup."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.24.2 (talk) 16:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, but what do you suggest exactly? If you mean "wins" instead of "win", "win" is correct considering we are talking about the Brazilian team. See discretionary plurals. — Xavier, 00:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor fix 

message: Could the person modifing the introduction of the please stop doing it.The sources provided form very obscrure sites only name Pele the greatest footballer of the century not of all time.As far as know time has not ended yet.Until you can find a valid source naming him the greatest of all time refrain from unneccesary modifications.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 10:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification of introduction 

message: Wondering why Pele' used the name "EDSON" instead of Edison the name he was born with?EdsonandrejohnsonVICTORMOI (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  wondering why pele' used EDSON instead of EDISON 

message: It's written in the article that "The tally of 32 official team trophies makes him the player with most career titles[citation needed]".
First of all, I counted 31 : 1 in America, 5 with the Brazil National Team, and 25 with Santos.
Secondly, the most titled footballer in history, with 32 team trophies, is Ryan Giggs.
He got his 32nd trophy in August 2010 when Manchester United beat Chelsea FC in the Community Shield.
Check his page to verify what I am saying.
Thank you.
00:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé's number of team awards 

message: Dear friends, 
I'm sending more information about the Pelé brand, and reliable sources to help with my request for a change on the topic about his carrer after football. Having these in mind, I also change the paragraph that I first send it to you guys.
Please check these links to verify the information, since we are a Brazilian Company, some of them are in Portuguese:
http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/noticias/0,,OI4750131-EI1832,00-Jornal+aos+anos+marca+Pele+e+avaliada+em+R+milhoes.html
http://oglobo.globo.com/esportes/mat/2010/10/22/pele-70-anos-rei-vale-600-milhoes-922851482.asp
http://www.pele-sports.com/en#/main
http://blog.pele-sports.com/us/tag/brand-launch/
http://www.footballfigure.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=700
http://academyofchampions.us.ubi.com/the-game/
http://academyofchampions.us.ubi.com/the-game/pele/
http://www.artofpele.com/
So please Change the following part about his after football carrer, from:
'After football
Prime Licensing, the company created and owned by the long time friend and fashion businessman Jose Alves de Araujo, now manages the Pele brand including contracts with Puma AG, Pelestation, QVC, Fremantle Media, Pele L'uomo and Pele Arena coffee houses, amongst others.[50]''''
To these:
'After football
Prime Brands, a Brazilan Licensing Company created in 2006, directed by CEO José Kanner, now manages the Pele brand including contracts with Pele Sports, Kotobukiya, Ubisoft, the Art of Pelé amongst others.''''
''''
Thank you very much!
Etandre (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Atmoz (talk) 17:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Etandre, 17 February 2011 

message: Dear friends,
I'm sending more information about the Pelé brand, and reliable sources to help with my request for a change on the topic about his carrer after football. Having these in mind, I also changed the paragraph that I first sent to something more simple and more easily verified.
Please check these links to verify the information about our partners, and since its a Brazilian Company, some articles with interviews from the actual CEO in Portuguese:
http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/noticias/0,,OI4750131-EI1832,00-Jornal+aos+anos+marca+Pele+e+avaliada+em+R+milhoes.html
http://oglobo.globo.com/esportes/mat/2010/10/22/pele-70-anos-rei-vale-600-milhoes-922851482.asp
http://www.pele-sports.com/en#/main
http://blog.pele-sports.com/us/tag/brand-launch/
http://www.footballfigure.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=700
http://academyofchampions.us.ubi.com/the-game/
http://academyofchampions.us.ubi.com/the-game/pele/
http://www.artofpele.com/
So please Change the following part about his after football carrer, from:
'After football Prime Licensing, the company created and owned by the long time friend and fashion businessman Jose Alves de Araujo, now manages the Pele brand including contracts with Puma AG, Pelestation, QVC, Fremantle Media, Pele L'uomo and Pele Arena coffee houses, amongst others.[50]'
To these:
'After football Prime Brands, a Brazilian Licensing Company created in 2006, directed by CEO José Kanner, now manages the Pele brand including contracts with Pele Sports, Kotobukiya, Ubisoft, the Art of Pelé amongst others.'
Thank you very much!
André  
--Etandre (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New request to Change the text about his After football carrer 

message: http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html#pele
that is the link.
he scored
Overview Matches and Goals
Season           Official    Friendly/Benefit     Overall         Accumulated
              Matches  Goals  Matches  Goals   Matches  Goals   Matches  Goals
1956				 2	 2	  2	  2		
1957		40	43	33	23	 73	 66	  75	  68
1958		53	75	15	14	 68	 89	 143	 157
1959		55	65	49	61	104	126	 247	 283
1960		49	44	33	29	 82	 73	 329	 356
1961		38	62	37	49	 75	111	 404	 467
1962		40	54	19	19	 59	 73	 463	 540
1963		42	52	17	22	 59	 74	 522	 614
1964		38	54	12	 6	 50	 60	 572	 674
1965		52	72	23	34	 75	106	 647	 780
1966		28	20	22	22	 50	 42	 697	 822
1967		32	25	33	31	 65	 56	 762	 878
1968		48	35	34	25	 82	 60	 844	 938
1969		55	48	23	20	 78	 68	 922	1006
1970		44	19	31	40	 75	 59	 997	1065
1971		42	 8	32	22	 74	 30	1071	1095
1972		36	14	38	36	 74	 50	1145	1145
1973		40	25	27	28	 67	 53	1212	1198
1974		35	15	10	 4	 45	 19	1257	1217
1975		 9	 5	15	10	 24	 15	1281	1232
1976		24	15	20	11	 44	 26	1325	1258
1977		31	17	11	 6	 42	 23	1367	1281
1978				 2	 0	  2	  0	1369	1281
1979				 1	 0	  1	  0 	1370	1281
1980				 1	 2	  1	  2	1371	1283
1983				 1	 1	  1	  1	1372	1284
1984				 1	 0	  1	  0	1373	1284
1987				 1	 0	  1	  0	1374	1284
1990				 1	 0	  1	  0	1375	1284
		831	767     544     517	1375	1284	
so that is 767 OFFICIAL Goals for both SANTOS and COSMOS  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierreleone (talk • contribs) 13:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of goals scored 

message: I've read on some websites that he divorced Assiria in 2008. Is this true? If so, can someone update the page to show it?
Booyahhayoob (talk) 05:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 Divorce? 

message: as described in wiki about pele his actual date he was born was 23 October. The entry is shown as 21 or 23rd which should be changed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweep1963 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  pele date of birth 

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message: Yup, It's a shame they list him as playmaker in wikipedia, he was the best centre forward of all time, he could score goals in every way. How would he score so many goals behind the two strikers or from the midfield? I think they are confusing the positions with second striker, deep laying forward and playmaker. Pele did play as a second striker towards the end of his career, mostly in the 1970 worldcup. Tostao a natural centre forward and Pele were fighting over the centre forward position. They opted for Pele playing a little behind Tostao because he was the main attraction and could draw marking. Maybe that's where the confusion arose, but he played as a centre forward throughout his career. To be considered a playmaker, you have to do a lot of passing and support the offensive team. Didi was known to do this in the 1958 1962 worldcup, while vava and Pele were centre forwards ( if you could have 2). I'll try to edit this when I can. But your reference only states his function in the field (which is mostly a centre forward or a forward) but does not clearly state he was a centre forward, although this is pretty known. I'll try to find an article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natsunoyuutsu (talk • contribs) 16:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally Agree - Pele was as close as a Centre Forward throughout his career, not a playmaker 

message: A No. 10 in the old days ('50s, '60s) in Brazil was a ponta-de-lança, a support striker who dropped into midfield and had playmaking skills. Like L. Messi and W. Rooney do today.
The No. 10 was not the primary playmaker of a team, but was the offensive playmaker.
The primary playmaker back then was the deep-lying playmaker, called meia-armador in Brazil, and who usually wore the No. 8 shirt. These were players like Gerson, Didi, Zito or nowadays Xavi, Iniesta, X. Alonso, L. Modric, A. Pirlo.
In '69/1970 coach M. Zagallo switched the formation from the classic 4-2-4 to a loopsided and quite modern 4-2-3-1 in witch Pelé was used as a Central Attacking Midfielder behind Tostao and between Rivelino (left) and Jairzinho (right). 
The top 4 were very fluid when attacking witch led to many calling the formation a 4-2-4, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. But Zagallo said it was really a 4-2-3-1/ 4-5-1.   
Pelé wasn't the top goal scorer for Brazil 1970, Jairzinho was that, but he helped with a lot of assist and by drawing defensive players around him thus creating space for his team mates. 
So Pelé was both the old No. 10/ ponta-de-lança/, the modern CAM ,and sometimes he also played as a winger.  
All great No. 10s had great passing skills and vision. The difference between the ponta-de-lança/ No. 10s and the CAM No. 10s is that the ponta-de-lança needed a deep-lying playmaker while the CAM 10s can work with or without them.       — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.246.134 (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé was a No. 10 

message: Pele said himself the playmaker of the 1958 team in 1958 was Didi, him and Vava were central forwards.You can watch the games and youll see Pele in the penalty box area most of the time. Fifa also said he spent his life in the penalty box and a striker and never mentions him as a playmaker, except in the 1970 where FIFA suggests he was a playmaker ALONG 3 OTHER PLAYMAKERS. Pele changed to a second striker which leads to passing and less goals but that is not a playmaker or a true number 10, a true number 10(today) does more playmaking than goals and if he ever scores he has to dribble past a lot of players. Besides before that worldcup, and before the worldcup the qualifying games he played he was not the same position as in the worldcup, he was a central forward. 
The discussion is not wether or not he was an old number 10, but a playmaker which is basically what a modern 10 or classic 10 is. He was a central forward or/and second striker but not today's playmaker, if we put that in the article itll make people think he scored 1200 goals from the midfield. If the old number 10 meant he was a forward with a lot of skills such as dribbling, passing, etc...that doesnt make him a playmaker of today.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.100.220 (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele was very close to a number 10 in the 70 worldcup and after that= 

message: At NY Cosmos Pele was the source of creativity in a very CAM playmaker sort of way for quite a time (at least until Beckenbauer came to organize things from the deep) with Giorgio Chinaglia being the goal scorer. 
There is no such thing as a classical Number 10, it's just a media invention. 
Both a trequartista/engache/CAM, a ponta-de-lanca, a meia ponta-de-lanca, a free role fantezista, a total footballer with no fixed position like Cruyff, or occasionally a skilled deep-lying playmaker wore the Number 10 shirt.   
Historically it variates from country to country and from system to system.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.241.212 (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Everaldo - Piaza - Brito - C.A. Torres 

message: In "after football" an important piece was recently omitted from the paragraph. It stated the name of the creator of the company Prime Licensing, Jose Alves de Araujo, who created the company by the request of the long time friend Pele' himself. He sold 75% of the company to the Group Inpar. 
The original paragraph read: " The company Prime Licensing, created by the long time friend and fashion businessman Jose Alves de Araujo..."
A professional picture of the two of them can also be added to the article if requested.
Here are some links supporting the statement:
http://www.allydirectory.com/Biographies/pele-biography/ 
http://googlebliss.blogspot.com/2007/06/pele-king-of-football.html
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=pele-advertising
http://www.revistacafeicultura.com.br/index.php?tipo=ler&mat=8956#axzz1X1kBN4HE
http://www.huntas.com/sports/s4.htm
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Pel%C3%A9
http://peleedsonsite.in/family.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090227194923AA1CFjQ
http://www.peabirus.com.br/redes/form/post?post_pub_id=21904
http://www.panoramabrasil.com.br/empresa-que-detem-a-marca-pele,-fecha-negocio-milionario-id7581.html
http://www.allydirectory.com/Biographies/tag/sports/
Please search google for Jose Alves de Araujo Pele. CHRTKD1 (talk) 22:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any consensus for adding this information to the article? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from CHRTKD1, 4 September 2011 

message: Please replace  at the top of the article with , as it is causing the article to show up in :Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates.
Logan Talk Contributions 01:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. Kuru (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Logan, 11 September 2011 

message: I think the reference to him being a honorary KBE is made too soon, as if it defines him. Pele holds many titles, an KBE is but one of them. Since he is not a British citizen, has done nothing much that specifically links him to the UK, the preeminence of the title seems strange. George Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan also hold honorary British titles but, understandably, it is not the first thing you see after their name  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.43.73.164 (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - removal of early reference to knighthood. 

message: I am interested in a section highlighting Pelé's playing style.  The page for Diego Maradona has such a section, so I am sure Pelé's page could use one as well.  I think it would be instructive to know what skills and attributes made Pelé such an incredible (association) football/soccer player.
DaDoc540 (talk) 04:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playing style 

message: Pele 15239 (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No request made--Jac16888 Talk 12:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 13 February 2012 

message: At the moment the section states: "A consensus of media and expert polls rank Pelé as the greatest footballer of all time.[119]". Nothing like that is stated in the source given (it only states that Pelé is one of six players mentioned in every ranking that they reviewed). It's safe to say that there is absolutely no consensus about Pelé (or anyone else) being the greatest footballer of all time. -79.188.40.77 (talk) 13:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honors 

message: If Maradona's article is "greatest player of all time", why isn't Pelé's the same? Doesn't it take only quotes of specialists saying that? 189.104.115.3 (talk) 20:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is nice. Keep partiality! 201.50.21.123 (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest players 

message: During this time Pele increased the amount of people coming to New York Cosmos games.  The average amount of people coming to these games where about 20,000 people.  Also, Pele used his popularity to promote soccer in the US.  This brought more hope and interest for the game of soccer, and was the start of its revolution.  The revolution continued to grow as Pele played for the Cosmos, but when he left the popularity started to die down.  Though the popularity of soccer started to go down, Pele still inspired people to love the game of soccer, which was an improvement.  Without Pele coming to the US, soccer may not be where it is today.
Zcoyle8000 (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add to New York Cosmos section 

message: If the infobox stats are for domestic leagues only, then the stats in the infobox are wrong.  According to the career stats table further down the page, Pele played 605 games, scoring 589 goals for Santos.  The Cosmos stats are also wrong.  In the Cosmos career stats table, the NASL column combines both league and post-season tournament games.  Pele actually played 56 league games and scored 31 goals for the Cosmos, not 64 and 37.  I almost made these changes but decided to highlight the discrepancies here first since the page is semi-protected.  Mohrflies (talk) 02:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong number of appearances and goals in the infobox 

message: Please change the sentence "He is widely regarded as the best football player of all time" to "He is widely regarded as one of the best football players of all time" as before. He is not widely regarded as the best after Maradona and now Messi. He lost internet based poll to Maradona by wide margins at the time of selecting the football player of the century in 1999. (53.6% for Maradona and 18.53% for Pele) This statement is disrespectful to majority of people in the world who can not edit the page anymore. Wikipedia is liable for giving true information to people.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.202.22 (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatness 

message: "On 19 June 1958 Pelé became the youngest player to play in a World Cup final match" is probably wrong - the 1958 World Cup final was on June, 29. 91.4.230.129 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1958 World Cup final date error 

message: It would be good to see all of Peles 77 International Goals on a list like with other players here in Wikipedia.Lsw10 (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Goals 

message: The article currently says at the top of section Club career -Santos "In 1956, de Brito took Pelé to Santos...". Which De Brito does it refer to? --bodnotbod (talk) 14:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be Waldemar de Brito, Brazilian coach and footballer mentioned in the article's third paragraph. MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah! Since the earlier mention is wikified I don't need to make an edit. I should have spotted the earlier mention. Thank you :) --bodnotbod (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  de Brito - who is that? 

message: Santos F.C have obviously made a mistake. That cannot be counted as a reliable source because they don't even list Pele as a forward or a striker which was his most used position and they simply say Attacking Midfielder.
Pele clearly stated what was his position through his book at santos and it was NOT at all attacking midfielder but he DID drop a bit back then forward to assist and that was a second striker , which was his second position to center forward. He started a center forward when he joined Santos and moved back to SS when coutinho was available and stayed SS and switching to CF back and forth the rest of his career at Santos.
He also switched to center forward for the national team. At no point in santos was he a midfielder save one or two times as clearly stated in his book when the midfielder of the team was injured and he also mentioned he did not perform as good as he would like in the midfield.
The Attacking midfielder that everyone knows about TODAY is different from that midfielder of the 60s 70s anyways.
The attacking midfielder evolved after the 70s and he sits behind ALL the strikers and simply assists more than to score as clearly stated in the picture I provided above.
Santos F.C "webpage" and not the club have OBVIOUSLY made a mistake about Pele's position because he wore the number 10 and the number 10 is  now associated with attacking midfielder in south american football or the "enganche". 
An Attacking midfielder would be  ganso or Valdivia. These two played in Brazilian football and they wore the number 10 and they are listed in the Brazilian Wikipedia as attacking midfielder and the brazilian wikipedia is clearly aware of this and only list Pele as a forward.
FIFA.com never mentions Pele playing as an attacking midfielder and they have hundreds of articles about Pele. Pele's very own book never mentions playing attacking midfielder even if there was such position in an era where they had 5 to 4 forwards. FIFA.com also has a page listing all the players according to their position and Pele is the forward section.
Any editing back to attacking midfielder on Pele's profile can be considered vandalism now. I'm moving on to other articles. You cannot consider a reliable source where the information they provided is OBVIOUSLY wrong, they don't list Pele as a striker AND attacking midfielder. They list him only as attacking midfielder as if it was his position his entire career. This is a mistake because he wore the number 10 or simply an overexageration.
As for now it's better to stick with more reliable sources: FIFA statistics and biographies and Pele's very own book.
Edit back to AM if you want but know that you are doing something terribly wrong.  
Hoshinonamida (talk) 02:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  SANTOS WEBPAGE 

message: under the subtitle National Team Career, it is mentioned that Pele first wore a t-shirt numbered 10 for the first time in 1958. while that is true, the use of the word t-shirt is somewhat naive-sounding. it should be called a jersey. maybe its not that big of a deal but it just sounds wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.167.57.237 (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  t-shirt 

message: Pele played as a deep lying forward and as a midfielder as well, especially after 1970.Lsw10 (talk) 12:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He desribed so in his autobiography, and it is also stated in Santos Official Website. http://www.santosfc.com.br/en/conteudo.asp?id=28305 Videos showing Pele´s positioning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqjov55658o , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BK0Ldu51so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MrrK5_Zknc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmOYl5DSUaM Lsw10 (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele also played as an attacking midfielder 

message: Lol, he changed some of Pele's info full of lies. Keep an eye on him.
Pele played as deep-lying forward most of his career? He was a center forward most of his career as said in his book and FIFA.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.45.144 (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a big lie. Learn what a deep-lying forward is. His book says that also.Lsw10 (talk) 18:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Encyclopedia Britannica describes Pelé as an inside left forward, not center forward. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/449124/Pele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_forward Lsw10 (talk) 20:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

text: FIFA official website: http://es.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1533790.html Pele says his playing style and position resembles that of Xavi who is a Midfielder. Lsw10 (talk) 12:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  User LSW10 is out of control = 

message: I think the sidebar should describe the position that really described the player. Pele played most of his career as forward as stated in his book and in the introductory paragraph of this article.
Saying Pele was an AM as well as Forward is a big misconception in the world of football.
I believe this will cause mis-information worldwide to all Football readers. 
I have to agree with Santo's website being confused with the number 10 being AM.
FIFA links are more accurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.171.217 (talk) 05:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Pele played over 1000 games for Santos, and very few in FIFA competitions, therefore Santos Offfical Website is a a very good source concerning accuracy.Lsw10 (talk) 18:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

text: No, the record for official goals belongs to Bican, 805+ goals. http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html Bican and Romario's records also count Second Division goals.Lsw10 (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

text: The random number assignments came in 1958 Brazil World Cup squad and were not made by FIFA. Pele already had the number 10 shirt in Santos before that World Cup.Lsw10 (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Pele played both in midfield and in the attack. Santos official website says Pele was an Attacking Midfielder. Zico, nicknamed "the White Pele" was also an attacking midfielder.Lsw10 (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I always use references so what you say is completely invalid. Santos Official Website confirms Pele´s position. Zico is known as the White Pele. Why would that be the case if they had a different style and position. Zico was an Attacking MIdfielder and at the same time scored a lot of goals, over 800 in his career.Lsw10 (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attacking Midfielder should not be in Pele's Description = 

message: This article is so biased it's unbelievable. 
Pele also does NOT HOLD the record of most officials goals scored. It is Romario.
Pele is the all time top scorer in League goals.
Lsw10 (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the record for official goals belongs to Bican, 805+ goals. http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html Bican and Romario's records also count Second Division goals.Lsw10 (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Okay for the sake of wikipedia 

message: Edit: For example look at this paragraph below, somebody switched the forward word for playmaker. Look  at the link from FIFA, it clearly says he was a forward pure forward who spent his life in the penalty box area to score. He was not a playmaker !!!! The paragraph below doesn't make sense:
Ok, I'm sorry but for the sake of wikipedia. Let football experts or people who know something football edit the technical details. Pele was not a forward, a forward also known as enganche in spanish or meia in portuguese plays behind the two playmakers, and cannot score goals unless he dribbles past A LOT of players and finishes the play himself which pele rarely did as he only had to go past 1 or 2. A second striker is a playmaker, a forwards role is to pass, assists, move the offensive team forward, orchestrate the team. Pele was a playmaker, his main function throughout his career was to score goals which were set up by the forwards in his team, although towards the end of his career he probably did have forward functions. That is why he scored and has the world record of most goals scored, he was a playmaker. 
Although he was a number 10, that number was fortituous, FIFA randomly assigned numbers back then and he ended up with the number 10. But a number 10 traditionally is a playmaker not a forward,so he's a forward.
Anyways, read this article which says Pele was a playmaker, pure playmaker and not a forward. The article is from FIFA. There are many but this is the only one I found when i looked for forward in FIFA.COM.
http://www.fifa.com/newscentre/news/newsid=76134.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.172.236 (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The random number assignments came in 1958 Brazil World Cup squad and were not made by FIFA. Pele already had the number 10 shirt in Santos before that World Cup.Lsw10 (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Pele played both in midfield and in the attack. Santos official website says Pele was an Attacking Midfielder. Zico, nicknamed "the White Pele" was also an attacking midfielder.Lsw10 (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I always use references so what you say is completely invalid. Santos Official Website confirms Pele´s position. Zico is known as the White Pele. Why would that be the case if they had a different style and position. Zico was an Attacking MIdfielder and at the same time scored a lot of goals, over 800 in his career.Lsw10 (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pele was mostly a forward, not a playmaker

message: According to the finnish wikipedia he is known as Black Pearl (from portuguese Pérola Negra). There is no mention in this article. 85.217.20.107 (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  black pearl? 

message: Here's the problem: 
This is an attacking "MIDFIELDER", I repeat: MIDFIELD.
[img]http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/2375/protf4.png[/img]
Pele almost never played in this true AM position. An AM sits behind all the strikers to become an assister and control the flow of the team. This position was not fully developed until the +70s. What you guys are confusing is Second Striker, Pele did play as a centre forward and back to second striker in both Santos and Worldcups. Not a single time in the world cup was he an attacking midfielder.
1958 - CF or SS
1962 - CF or SS
1970 - The playmaker or the closer to the attacking midfielder was Gerson. In many books he is described as the brain of the team. All the other 4 players. Jairzinho Pele Rivelino switched positions just like Barcelona.
Pele was a forward most of his career that's why he holds the record of so many goals and is the top scorer of his national team. A true AM should not be able to score so many goals, that's not his job. Pele also played as a defender and goalkeeper and winger but rarely so these are not positions we should put in Wikipedia.
Even in new york cosmos pele played on the right side of the forward area along with Hunt and Chinaglia. The only close to AM was Romero.
We can't just put Pele as an AM that's very inaccurate. Despite what few sources say the whole internet and tremendous amount of sources list him as a forward and inside left forward or second striker. This description will not depict to the world what his real position was. This is probably the confusion on the Santos Page AM is not a second striker as the picture clearly says.
: You are merely mentioning one system: the 4-4-2 diamond which was never even the system Pele's teams played. Your image does not include some positions like the Central Midfielder(CM). Gerson could also be classified as CM, just like Xavi is today. Pelé played as an attacking midfielder too, it is mentioned in his autobiography and in Santos website. At cosmos Pelé had far more assists than his goals, and did most of the playmaking. In 1970 World Cup again his 7 assists outnumbered his 4 goals. Lsw10 (talk) 00:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pele in his 2006 autobiography says that he played as an Attacking Midfielder and as a Forward. It is on page 41.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsw10 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PELE's Position 

message: The user ls10 has been trying to switch pele's position to  attacking midfielder.
Pele has a record of goals and assists he was a forward or a second striker to be more precise. A second striker is not an attacking midfielder. He scored over 1000 goals because he spent most of his career near the penalty area as said by FIFA.COM.
It was widely accepted in wikipedia that he was a forward. His position stayed as a forward for over 5 years in this article and he is widely regarded all over the world and known as a forward regardless what a few pages and santos.com say. He played as an attacking midfielder from time to time yes like all time legends, but he was a forward generally. He also played as a goalie a couple of times so if you want to put attacking midfielder you might as well put  a goalkeeper there.
Switching Pele's position to attacking midfielder does not make him even greater, he already is the greatest. So please stop vandalizing pele's position. You can look up the formation of santos in the games he played or in drawings and he is far from an attacking midfielder.
This will be my last attempt to switch Pele's position to the truth. Do as you please from now on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natsunoyuutsu (talk • contribs) 07:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is documentation for the inclusion of the attacking midfielder designation (the club website, Pele's autobiography). We should be summarizing reliable sources, and as near as I can tell there are reliable sources indicating that Pele also played the attacking midfielder position. It is also inappropriate to characterize this edit as vandalism. See Pelé: the autobiography by Pelé, Orlando Duarte, Alex Bellos. Bloodzeed (talk) 02:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

text: http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/especiais/pele70anos/ This site in portuguese explains that the number 10 was an ordinary number before Pele wore it. After him it signified the best player of a team, the one who was closest to the "ideal" which was Pele. Many great players wanted that shirt after Pele, and none were strikers. Maradona, Zico, Platini, Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho. Strikers like Ronaldo, Romario, Rossi, Van Basten would usually pick other numbers, not number 10. Zico was even nicknamed The White Pele. That was because of the similarities in playing style. Pele himself once said: "throughout the years, the one player that came closest to me was Zico." http://www.zicosoccercamp.com/aboutzicoStrikers .Lsw10 (talk) 19:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Mentioning the defender and Goalkeeper position is not sensible at all. Pele played as goalkeeper during only a couple of games in his career, and never played as a defender. He did play as an attacking midfielder, there is a lot of evidence for that. In the NASL with New York Cosmos Pele was League leader in assists, scored very few goals and played behind main scorer Chinaglia. In 1970 World Cup Pele provided many more assists than he scored goals.Lsw10 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pele a forward not an attacking midfielder. 

message: His real name is Edson, not Edison as the article suggests.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.78.252 (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Roca cup, Cruz cup, Bernardo O'Higgins Cup, Atlantic cup, Oswaldo Cruz Cup arent official FIFA or Conmebol competitions, why are they listed as officials? As a matter of fact, Roca cup was created by argentine country president Julio Roca , which as you might realize wasnt a soccer authority at all 
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/index.html
http://www.conmebol.com/pages/Ver_Todas_Las_Competiciones.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablodalma (talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official competitions 

message: Rory246 (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: would you please provide a link or proper refence to the biography - see Wikipedia:Citing sources. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 January 2013 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9
In the introduction, it is stated:  "In total Pelé scored 1281 goals in 1363 games." however only 697 goals are listed in the information box at the right side of the page.  I don't know how to reconcile this, but there seems to be an inconsistency which I found confusing.  Which claim is correct?  I can't tell.
Milwaukeewobbly (talk) 02:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to agree with Milwaukeewobbly. I came here after seeing his 1000th goal stat on the front page 'On This Day' and I see that the infobox is suggesting something different. yorkshiresky (talk) 12:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The information box contains only League goals, not just for Pelé, it is the same in all football player articles on Wikipedia.Lsw10 (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information box needs updating. 

message: * He is the most successful league goal scorer in the world with 541 league goals (main)
* Pelé scored 1281 goals in 1363 games (main)
* Pelé scored the first of his record 1281 goals (Club career#Santos)
* The World´s most successful Top Division Goal Scorer: 541 goals (Honours#Individual)
* Pelé's goalscoring record is often reported as being 1281 goals in 1363 games (Career statistics#Club)
* The number of league goals scored by Pelé is listed as 589 in 605 games (Career statistics#Club)
* New York Cosmos Total 107 	64 (Career statistics#Club)
* The RSSSF states that Pelé scored 767 goals in 831 official games, 1281 goals in 1367 overall while he was active, 1284 in 1375 taking into account benefit games after retirement (Career statistics#Summary)
* Official 	844 	760 (Career statistics#Summary)
* New York Cosmos 	107 	66 	0.62 (Career statistics#Summary)
* Total 		661 	(620) (infobox) * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
* First Division 	560 	541 	0.97 (Career statistics#Summary)
--Lauracarnale (talk) 06:25, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Different sources have different numbers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsw10 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club and total statistics don't match each other 

message: Removed this, please Re-add if possible so it renders correctly
Brazil national team	Brazil national team	Brazil national team
1957                	2                   	2
1958                	7                   	9
1959                	15                  	11
1960                	6                   	4
1961                	0                   	0
1962                	8                   	8
1963                	7                   	7
1964                	3                   	2
1965                	8                   	9
1966                	9                   	5
1967                	0                   	0
1968                	7                   	4
1969                	9                   	7
1970                	15                  	8
1971                	2                   	1
Total               	92                  	77
Please, include this information in Pelé Honours - Best Football Player of the XX Century, elected in 1999 by magazines Placar (BRA), Guerin Sportivo (ITA), Sport Bild (GER), A Bola (POR), El Gráfico (ARG), Voetbal (NED), Don Balon (SPA), Onze Mondial (FRA), El País (URU), World Soccer (ENG) - Source : Placar Magazine - December 1999 - http://books.google.com.br/books?id=vcYoxo4DW9IC&printsec=frontcover&lr=&hl=pt-BR&rview=1#v=onepage&q&f=false   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.32.15.111 (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed deleted template 

message: The story that Pelé`s nickname comes from the Irish is not true, seems just a fable made up by Jimmy Magee: http://pogmogoal.com/the-blog-reel/pele-the-nickname-and-jimmy-magee/15352/ 186.220.127.122 (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname's origin 

message: Please change from the below statement in the 1958 World Cup section
"...and then Pelé scored a hat-trick, becoming the youngest in World Cup history to do so."
he actually scored two goals in that game, the source of the same paragraph says so.
Thanks,
188.249.225.244 (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: You appear to have misunderstood what it says.  Pele scored his hat-trick in the semi-final against France, (52', 64' and 75') not the final against Sweden, where he did score 2.  This is verified in the sources cited, and can also be seen at 1958_World_Cup#Semi-finals. - Arjayay (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2014 

message: In addition to the five children listed in the "Personal life" section, Pele had two illegitimate children: Sandra (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Regina_Machado) and Flavia (http://www.terra.com.br/istoegente/142/reportagens/flavia_kurtz.htm). Worth mentioning?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.100.100 (talk) 04:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illegitimate Children 

message: | birth_date  = 
Peter091100 (talk) 07:16, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I believe that there is a consensus to list his DOB in the infobox as 21st because his birth certificate says so. Pelé himself says he was born on the 23rd, and that is mentioned in the lead.  Sam Sailor Sing 14:03, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2014 

message: I integrated Pelé's infobox to  because he's led a prominent life as a global ambassador for football and a humanitarian since retiring from football and I believe this should be shown in the infobox. He's still best known for his football career, but he's no longer only known for his exploits on the pitch. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 09:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: 10 yeares ago in interview Pele (it was Daily Mail newspaper) talked about his first sexual experience:  he confessed that it was a gay experience. (sources http://www.originalexpressgaynews.com/beta/article.asp?articleNumber=8044 and  http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-109646504.html). It's happened when we has 14. Now, I cant find the original page of interview (in Daily Mail's cite), can someone help to find it? Thansk in advance. 46.71.226.141 (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *WHo knows spanish? I have another source (http://elpais.com/diario/2000/02/01/agenda/949359604_850215.html). 46.71.226.141 (talk) 16:25, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * Can you guys help me if you have time. 46.71.226.141 (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Pele's first sexual experience confession 

message: This: 'Sword of Soccer Honor, Given by the English Soccer Annual. The sword was handmade by the Queen’s weapon manufacturers.' puzzles me.  What is the 'Sword of Soccer Honor' supposedly given by  the English Soccer Annual?  If it's English, how come 'honor' is spelt in the American fashion?  The English say 'football' not 'soccer'. And, who on earth are the Queen’s weapon manufacturers? There may well be a King's armourer, if there is, does he still make swords?  The whole paragraph has a made-up-on-the-spur-of-the-moment look about it. 10:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sword of Soccer Honor? 

message: We need a citation for this story (which frankly seems apocryphal) 108.254.160.23 (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Magee claim of origin of Pelé nickname 

message: Why the text based on sources (his own confession)  should be reverted ?? M.Karelin (talk) 13:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit was removed for a number of reasons that become clear when you read Wikipedia policy. And why are you Wikipedia:Canvassing for others? This is destruptive behaviour.Chie one (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

text: * First: Can you show that "a number of reasons" here ?? Can you ?? Show just one (except homophobia of course). And second:  this is a topic, which should be discussed by many editors - you just reverted an edition based on sources (the own confession of a lived man) with NO one normall explanation ?? This is a heinous violation of Wikipedia Rules. M.Karelin (talk) 14:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: First off I didn't originally remove the edit. I did repeat one of the reasons given in the edit summary, Undue weight...an incident in ones life that is barely if ever noted or known about, thus is minor, it is not balanced to give in the bio of an individual that wouldn't otherwise be there. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that is meant to provide encyclopedic information. And again, why are you canvassing for others?. Chie one (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Read more carefully what i wrote above and you will get your answer about your last question. As of main cause of reverting the edition: Yes this is an encyclopedia, and if a living persons  confessing  (by they own words) about their personal life's details, we always write it here (EVEN if he is a sportsman). There are a lot of such examples (for example - Thomas Daley.). So I dont see one Rule I break writting the information. But you did violate rules - when reverted my edition with VERY WEAK reason. Remember please , that you are not an owner of this article or this project. Try to not violate the rules. M.Karelin (talk) 14:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Any contentious claim about a living person must be well sourced.  Are there any other sources that make this claim?  If not, it should not be included.  But if you find a BBC or SI article about it, that would be enough.  EvergreenFir (talk) 17:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So El Pais newspaper is not enough ? It is a famous newspaper? One of the best in Spain. 46.71.129.167 (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear EvergreenFir, El Pais is one of the most important mass medias in Europe. Besides, I have found this (watch begin 4:17 minute please - about Pele') . So what would you say? M.Karelin (talk) 18:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And here The Guardian (a strong source) says that Pele says it's rumors.  The BBC says the same as well.  We cannot include rumors on Wikipedia articles.  EvergreenFir (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Hi. A RS wouldn't be enough as its still giving undue weight to an alleged event as a child. If just digging for a RS was sufficient then there would be a free for all in every article and everything would be open to insert without contention. This is why that isn't the case hence such an edit as this is contentious, giving prominence to an alleged event that is lacking in weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Having read a plethora of material on Pele I have never come across this such is its lack of significance. Theres a BLP issue. We could start digging up endless events, rumors, speculation whatever of a subjects personal life if RS was the only requirement. Herve Reex (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Pele's confesion of his first gay experience 

message: As he is a well known great footballer, there is a lack of information as of to all his abilities, playing characteristics and style of play as there is for example, Messi or Garrincha, for example.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.10.103.56 (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style of Play 

message: Substituted at 15:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Pelé's name International Phonetic Alphabet would more correctly be in Brazilian Portuguese [ˈɛd(ʒi)sõ ɐˈɾɐ̃tʃiz /ɐˈɾɐ̃t͡s / du nɐsiˈmẽtu])  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.10.103.56 (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN3DPiwyc1-gdhvjLEm22ZtQKTw39hrnC
The whole collection of Pele videos in HD, 22 videos:
1- Pele Top Dribbling Goals
2- Pele Top Missed Goals
3- Pele Top Feint Goals
4- Pele Top Ball Control Goals
5- Pele Top 10 Assists
6- Pele One Touch Goals (Volleys)
7- Accurate Power -Pele 60 Shots-
8- Pele Top Lob Goals
9- Pele Top Speed Goals
10- Pele 20 Headers
11- Pele Top Slide Goals -Tip Finishing- 
12- Pele Top Free Kick Goals
13- Pele Left Foot -Additional Goals-
14- Pelé Eccentric Ability
15- Pele 50 Tackles
16- 20 Fouls vs Pele
17- Pele 10 Century Titles
18- Pele Traits
19- Pele 10 Disadvantages
20- Pele Panna Facts
21- Pele Extra Footages
22- Pele Top 10  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanka797 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé Pedia (22 HD videos about Pelé)  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Edson Arantes do Nascimento (Brazilian Portuguese: [ˈɛtsõ (w)ɐˈɾɐ̃tʃiz du nɐsiˈmẽtu]; born 23 October 1940),[1] known as Pelé (Brazilian Portuguese: [pe̞ˈlɛ]), is a retired Brazilian professional footballer who played as a forward. He is widely regarded to be the greatest player of all time.[13] In...." Reference 13 in the beginning of the article cites multiple sources in one. some reliable and from fifa, others from unreliable sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.162.108 (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreliable sources 

message: Which tournament is considered as domestic league for the goal count at Santos?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.54.188.152 (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic League goal count 

message: Someone removed KBE from his name. Here is the source:  please
: He is allowed to bear the KBE after his full name, so it must stay. Here's an excerpt from the OBE article: Honorary knighthoods (...) may permit use of post-nominal letters but not the title of Sir or Dame.. Right. But the KBE must stay; the removal was inappropriate. -andy 2.242.122.73 (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  KBE