Talk:Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

message: I noticed a conflict between this article and the Afghanistan article. The article - Afghanistan- claims, "Once in power, the PDPA moved to permit freedom of religion."
Yet in this article [Democratic Republic of Afghanistan] sourced as: http://www.vfw.org/resources/levelxmagazine/0203_Soviet-Afghan%20War.pdf The Soviet-Afghan War: Breaking the Hammer & Sickle, "the PDPA  moved to promote state atheism. Men were obliged to cut beards, women to wear a burqa, and mosques were placed off limits." So which is it?
Ben5jaaan (talk) 14:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict 

message: Large numbers of the sections had hard carriage returns in them, which is somewhat suspect of being a copy and paste from possibly copyrighted sources. This ver, if edited, will show the sections. 68.39.174.238 17:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Afghanistan was part of Greater Iran so their is no vandalism in this. Afghanistan was created in late 19th century so before that it was part of Greater Iran.
--Anoshirawan 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: do not vandalis this page and other pages that you have been doing or they will block you from edits. others will revert all your changes, and if you want to keep adding wrong info, you will be hooked on this, don't do it it's a waste of time. leave the articles alone, as there are million other sources which people read to know about afghanistan and its history. what i don't understand about your actions is, on one hand you don't like "afghanistan" and "afghans", then on the other hand, you want afghanistan to be part of greater iran? make up your mind.Mirrori1 01:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan was part of Greater iran 

message: *Question. How is this article different from Afghanistan? 199.125.109.124 (talk) 17:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it's name matter? Either way it was just called Afghanistan.--Ssteiner209 (talk) 13:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Not by government politicans. Pluss you may call it Taiwan but its offical name is still Republic of China. The DRA and later RA was an offical state with a new government, they are different. Even if most of the world call the country Afghanistan. Many people called the Soviet Union, Russia it doesn't meen that we should redirect the whole Soviet Union article to the Russian article. Pluss we can'y squeeze all this information to the Afghanistan article!!! and Afghanistan has an article with the name History of Afghanistan (1978-1992). So their is really no place to put most of this information.  --Im a Socialist! What Are You (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then we go to the fact that a name change doesn't change it into a new country.... did the entity under the name DRoA have a drastically different style of function to the RoA? Is the difference so great to warrant two separate articles, since as you said; all they seemed to change was the flag (a minor detail) and it's name. Second; who says I refer to the ROC as Taiwan? Yes I do sometimes bit that's because most Americans are to stupid to realize the difference between the black sea and Turkey.--Ssteiner209 (talk) 15:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

text: We don't need two seperate articles, they have basically the same facts. See the Byzantine Empire formely known as the Eastern Roman Empire. If you see, the name of the article is the Byzantine Empire, whY? well thats because it was the countries last officially name. The change of names happened at the National Reconciliation talks in 1987. Second, we don't need to different articles about the same topic. The information is going to be just the same. I don't mean to be rude, but read more about this topic before discussing again. And if you felt my last comment was rude, sorry wasn't my intention. --Im a Socialist! What Are You (talk) 18:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no problem with this being a separate article. It is a detailing of a portion of the history of the country, much like Qin Dynasty, or Confederate States of America. 199.125.109.124 (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Officially the CSA never existed--Ssteiner209 (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: The opening paragraph in the first section is:
"In 1978 a prominent member of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), Mohammed Akbar Khaibar, was killed by the government of President Mohammed Daoud Khan.[2] The leaders of the PDPA apparently feared that Daoud was planning to exterminate them all, especially since most of them were arrested, including Nur Muhammad Taraki and Babrak Karmal, while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
I changed the names to be the full names, but I'm not sure if I got them right.  I find this paragraph to be very confusing and would like to edit it to make it more readable, but I know diddly about Afghanistan.  
My first question is has to do with the following:
"while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
Is Amin who was put under arrest and gave instructions to his son the same person as Hafizullah Amin?  I looked at Hafizullah Amin's page, and it states that he was arrested, then released, after which the Saur Revolution was initiated.  (I think - I'll go back and check, and like I said, I know diddly about this subject.)  Hafizullah Amin's page does not mention his son.  (Again, I think)
Neefer (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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I just discoverd, if it wern't for us afganistan would be just like kazakhstan or Turkey, Ironic.--J intela (talk) 19:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Democratic_Republic_of_Afghanistan#Reforms_and_repression.2C_1978.E2.80.931979|Refoms and repression]]

message: A lot of this article is based on the two books by J. Bruce Amstutz, US charge daffaires in Kabul from 1977 to 1980, written in 1994. Considering that the U.S. government was hostile to this government and by the summer of of 1979 was organizing an armed putsch to overthrow it Amstutz is not a neutral source for this subject. It's disingenuous to the reader that at least Amstutz's occupation is not mentioned considering his prominence here. There's been much english language scholarship done on Afghanistan in recent years, not by diplomats, which should be included here.  (talk • Rarwaw (talk) 09:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan by  J. Bruce Amstutz 

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From Vietnam: Vietnam country profile. Library of Congress Federal Research Division (December 2005). This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
From Education in Afghanistan: Afghanistan country profile. Library of Congress Federal Research Division (May 2006). This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
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message: {{u|GreekSocialist100]]: These edits were originally accompanied by edit summaries stating that you were making only minor edits, correcting misspellings and "updating" information. Your edits were not minor. You were not correcting misspellings. There is nothing to "update" about a topic that essentially ceased to exist 23 years ago. Your edit summaries are completely unrelated to the edits you are making. Rather than calling me a troll (which I am not), please address the problem. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: The DR Afghanistan was never a socialist state, nor was the PDPA a communist party. From William Blum's Killing Hope:
After the April revolution, the new government under President Noor Mohammed Taraki declared a commitment to Islam within a secular state, and to non-alignment in foreign affairs. It maintained that the coup had not been foreign inspired, that it was not a “Communist takeover”, and that they were not “Communists” but rather nationalists and revolutionaries. (No official or traditional Communist Party had ever existed in Afghanistan.) But because of its radical reform program, its class-struggle and anti-imperialist-type rhetoric, its support of all the usual suspects (Cuba, North Korea, etc.), its signing of a friendship treaty and other cooperative agreements with the Soviet Union, and an increased presence in the country of Soviet civilian and military advisers (though probably less than the US had in Iran at the time), it was labeled “communist” by the world’s media and by its domestic opponents.http://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/afghanistan
Furthermore, the 1980 Fundamental Principles of the DR Afghanistan only declared the state to be a democratic republic that recognized the importance of Islam and the UN Charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So this was not a socialist republic.2601:187:4301:61B0:4979:4E6A:301:61E7 (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  William Blum is wrong... Taraki, Amin and Karmal were all communists. But they deemed that their country had not developed socialism (according to Marxist theory).. But according to the general denominator of what constitutes a socialist state the PDPA was one. --TIAYN (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Of course they weren't "communist" as communism involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society with the means of production held in common by all of society, a lack of commodity production, and a lack of wage labour. Also, what are you trying to imply, that socialist nations can't have religion or consider religion important, sure secularism and atheism are a part of Marxist theory as religion is considered to be the opiate of the masses, a sigh of the oppressed peoples as Marx had worded it, but there is a such thing as religious socialism, also about the human rights thing, socialist nations did have human rights, are you trying to imply that socialist nations, didn't, couldn't, or wouldn't, as I have stated socialist nations did, and socialist nations can have human rights, and they will have and maintain, socialism is the system that has greatly IMPROVED human rights, look at the Soviet Union, Cuba, and China where they were improved greatly in contrast to what came before, before the socialist revolution in Cuba, the us-backed Fascist Batista had his brutal regime, then the people led by Che Guevara and Fidel Castro overthrow the oppressors and declared a Marxist-Leninist socialist state and managed to greatly improve healthcare, education, literacy, human rights, rights for women and minorities in particular, etc. In Russia, there was the Tsar who was a brutal monarch who denied women rights and treated them as servants, most women and people in Russia during this time period were illiterate, the workers led by Lenin had achieved a revolution which had greatly improved literacy, lifespan, women's rights, rights for minorities, healthcare, and education for example, it was also for more democratic than the monarchy that came before, under socialism, there was Democratic Centralism and the Communist Party served as a vanguard to represent the masses and the interests and will of the working people and intelligentsia. In China, rights for women had also improved as well as literacy and lifespan quite exponentially, in contrast to what came before it. Proletarian Banner (talk) 00:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
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message: Anybody have a full text of it? I'd like to read it. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 03:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of an English translation of it can be read in this book which is available on Google Books:  Unfortunately, a couple of pages are missing from this chapter, so some 15 articles are not available, but at least you'll get the rest of the 68 articles. I guess it can be found somewhere else in full though, but you probably have to look quite a bit for it, as the constitutional framework and formal policies of the DRA never received much attention from Western European or North American scholars. --Te og kaker (talk) 00:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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