Talk:John McHale (artist)

message: BLP? Um, I hate to add stuff at the top of the talk page, but I think it's important to note near this template that according to the article, McHale has been dead for nearly thirty years. That makes anything BLP-specific on this page, which seems to be most of it, including the categorization, mis-framed at best, and in some cases simply wrong. -- Akb4 20:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. —Ms2ger (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The text needs proofreading, online sources, and <ref> tags matching individual statements or paragraphs to particular sources. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started this process. It will take a while, and I'd be happy if others helped. I'm really quite concerned about the original research and non-NPOV item in this and John McHale related articles. There's obviously a compaign by McHale's son (and possibly others) to rewrite history. What they are saying may be true, but unless verifiable sources are added beyond interviews with the son, it's original research. We can explain that claims are being made towards certain rethinking of McHale's vs. Hamilton's roles in Pop Art history, but it can't at this time be stated as fact. Wikipedia is meant to be neutral. Freshacconci 13:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (PS: the above comments aren't intended as some sort of "instruction" or explanation of wiki policies to Pathoschild; I'm just using his comment to branch off. I just realized that it may read that way, however). Freshacconci 13:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I have removed the following from the Diner page:
  The Duchess Diner John McHale the Pop artist frequented in the mid 1950's was on Chaple Street near Crown, in New Haven, Connecticut.
While I think it's fine to note people's favorite diners in their biographies, I don't think the diner page should list everyone's favorite diner; that would get unwieldy pretty quickly. But since I don't have a source, and since this article is kind of a mess anyway, I'm just dropping it here for posterity. -- Akb4 20:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: diner?

message: Jeremy Hunt here http://www.state-of-art.org/state-of-art/ISSUE%20SEVEN/hunt-7.html does state that "Recent publications now attribute the image to Hamilton based on a design by McHale." In the context of the rest of the article, this is a neutral compromise position, in the light of the campaign of John McHale's son to credit his father with authorship of the image, not an endorsement of John McHale Jr.'s position.--Ethicoaestheticist 17:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, the value of neutral research! Would you be able to work this into this article and into Just What Is It that Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing? and hopefully that will be that. Every time I attempt to make a change or comment on changes, someone keeps reverting it or attacking me on the talk page. Freshacconci 17:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which I've seen you've just done! Freshacconci 17:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've reinstated Magda Cordell's claim that the material for the collage came from McHale's files with a properly formatted reference. Edits are less likely to be reverted if statements are accompanied with inline citations.--Ethicoaestheticist 23:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: At the risk of feeding your fixations, you should read WP:TROLL before making accusations of unethical behaviour, junior. Also try WP:SOCK and WP:COI for some bedtime reading. Cheers! Freshacconci 14:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It wasn't deleted. It was placed "inside" the reference by Ethicoaestheticist. You'll find it at note 5. The formatting of the info is a bit cleaner this way. Freshacconci | Talk 03:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Just What Is It that Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing?| Just what is it?]]

message: McHale originally developed the concept of Pop Art and coined the term "Pop Art" in 1954.
Sources? If anyone's credited, it's usually DAlloway (A Dictionary of Twentieth-Century Art, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Art Terms,   The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Art and Artists agree on this - though DAlloway said he didn't previsely recall when or how it came into parlance). Chief source for McHale coining it is McHale's son (plenty of reliable sources cite this also). So really both versions need reporting. Gordonofcartoon 12:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who pray is "Dalloway"? Do you mean Alloway? He did not use the term pop art in his original 1958 article. The initial concept of pop art was developed and the specific term "Pop art" was coined by John McHale in 1954. So why did you edit it out of the text? Get your facts right before mangling the text. Ottex Nov 23 07.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.82.210 (talk) 15:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! Probably late-night edit. Yes, Lawrence Alloway. My mistake doesn't alter the fact that all of the sources I cited above say the term was coined by Alloway. We are bound to report what reliable sources say.  So why should we accept your unsourced assertion that it was definitively McHale? Gordonofcartoon (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who coined term?