Talk:Gilles Deleuze

message: The Life section starts with “Deleuze was born into a working-class family in Paris and lived there for most his life.” In L'abécédaire entry “E comme Enfance”, Deleuze describes his own family as “right-wing bourgeois” and his father as a factory owner engineer. So, maybe there’s some left-wing wishful thinking involved in this mistake ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.184.119 (talk) 06:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: sources?  —Zujine|talk 00:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working-class family? 

message: The concept of a plane of immanence is not put forward as a metaphysical model of reality as such but rather as a model of how the particular intellectual modality Deleuze defines as philosophy grounds itself, is able to reflect, to contemplate, and to communicate its ideas.  Contrast with the plane of reference (associated with the intellectual modality of science) and the plane of sense (most closely associated with the third component of his trinity of intellectual modalities: art). To the best of my reckoning, in WIPh, D&G don't profer a metaphysical doctrine so much as postulate that all such intellectual systems are constructivisms which are deployed, with varying degrees of success, and with varying unintended consequences, against the inscrutable chaos of reality, the chaosmos.  As constructivisms, these modes are all creative activities ("science is no less creative than the arts or philosophy") and the created systems carry the signiatures of their creators, much as our vocal utterances carry signiatures of the bearers physiological constitutions and individualities.  As such, there is never any complete final metaphysics, nor in all likelihood will there ever be a complete final science, but rather creative and multifaceted evolutions contingent upon situational necessity as perceived by the desires and sensory cognitive configurations of future generations of artists, scientists, philosophers, and here we might add religious/occult constructions, the atmosphere of which envelops WIPh like completion and death. Which is well fitting and may have been an intentional implication (a joke of sorts), suggestion may be found in the way D&G differentiated philosophy from religion in WIPh.  Trancendence vs immanence.  And Deleuze's own fraught relationship with transcendence.  Trancendent hieranchies freeze creation, effectively killing the free creative play on the plane of immanence. That's about the edge of what I'm remotely confident that I understand about it.  ...some other stuff: Figures (found in Hegel, as constituent elements in the creation of Concepts: is this what Deleuze meant by Figures in relation to Religion?) vs Concepts.  
--joshua.cullick (talk) , 1 January 2012   —Preceding undated comment added 12:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metaphysical doctrines / Plane of Immanence 

message: My (non-logged in) edit to "Reception" qualifying the current "it's just not influential in english" language with references to the school associated with Manuel de Landa were quickly reverted with no justification, even though it was cross-reference to Manuel de Landa and Intensive science and virtual philosophy, both of whom substantiate the claims I had made. I actually got into De Landa because of those wikipedia pages. 
It's absolutely inadmissible that an encyclopedia article about Deleuze fails to mention De Landa,  but I don't want to get into a revert war. Can we agree on some language for this?--Dnavarro (talk) 17:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was surprised to read de Landa described as an analytic philosopher and the edit history says so too. I assume the reversal was motivated by concerns about accuracy. The justification is that the additions were unsourced. If there are citations at the pages you mention, then you can add the material and provide them here. Others may be concerned with a neutral point of view, then, but the first concern is that any claims are verifiable. DionysosProteus (talk) 17:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See the archive, under "Skewed Reception".  The claim that Delanda is an analytic philosopher, or that there is a band of analytic philosophers producing noticeable scholarship on Deleuze, had no supporting citations, and I strongly doubt there are any to be had.  Delanda is an example of the "North American humanities" reception already noted in the article. 271828182 (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  De Landa 

message: I wanted to find out which of the D&G articles garners the most traffic on this site. I thought this might be of interest to other editors interested in the D&G articles. All stats for June 2010:
* Gilles Deleuze 11,862
* Rhizome (philosophy) 2,887
* Félix Guattari 2,623
* A Thousand Plateaus 2,341
* Anti-Oedipus 2,191
* Deterritorialization 1,326
* Capitalism and Schizophrenia 1,208
* Haecceity 1,173
* Body without organs 1,130
* Plane of immanence 1,057
* Affect (philosophy) 647
* Arborescent 545
* Multiplicity (philosophy) 823
* Desiring-production 402
* Minority (philosophy) 388
* Schizoanalysis 369 (though article had been deleted to a redirect)
* Immanent evaluation 344
* Subjectivation 330
* Reterritorialization 319
* Line of flight 317
* Difference (philosophy) 300
* La Borde clinic 282
* L'Abécédaire_de_Gilles_Deleuze 224
* A New Philosophy of Society: Assemblage Theory and Social Complexity 184
Also related are:
* Noosphere 5,896 
* Individuation 3,658 
But neither article has any substantial treatment of D&G
DionysosProteus (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Most-browsed Deleuze and Guattari articles

message: somthing abute verilo or that guy that wrote piosophy based on time and speed ?
maybe sombody sohuold write somthing abut what some foks belive his network way of thinking belongs to internt sosiology and cyberspace ontologi ? was he not used as a big thinker abut this in the 1990 ? or just a link to those foks that build on his ideas  what sombody called secondaery intelectuels(hard and negri ?)  or is it too much postmodernsim too menntion? (like manuel castells  and sassen maybe even bauman think his writeing are just postmodern nonsens ) murakaim 82.147.33.187 (talk) 12:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  somthing abut networks and network age/internet ? 

message: Instead of mysteriously referring to a "disease," it's preferable to be specific: tuberculosis.  I also removed a comment about tracheotomy, losing power of speech, and being "chained like a dog" to a respirator, because the citation (http://philosophy1.narod.ru/www/html/library/pdf/113444.pdf) doesn't support that. It says there was a rumor about a tracheotomy, and other sources have him making phone calls the day of his suicide.KD Tries Again (talk) 05:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health 

message: Do we need the sentence: "What remains worthwhile in Deleuze's oeuvre, Žižek finds, are precisely those concepts closest to Žižek's own ideas"? Seems to be basically equivalent to saying "Zizek agrees with precisely those concepts with which Zizek agrees..."?109.149.106.136 (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Žižek... 

message: Shouldn't we use a picture with slightly less motion-blurred hands here? --178.1.117.153 (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I am not a total neophyte, but to admit that I found this article was virtually unreadable. Could someone please make the semiotics a bit clearer?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bticho (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Confused

message: Hello,
I am a Deleuze-Guattari scholar with ten years of reading experience. I disagree wholly with the presentation of difference-in-itself on the Wikipedia page; cf. Difference and repetition on Leibniz's "orgiastic" representation of the infinite.
Deleuze's structuralism relates the two terms of a differentiation via a third difference which differenciates them (i.e., external logic of relations).
Furthermore, this does not reach the infinitely large, as Deleuze is not only an empiricist, but a transcendental idealist (remember that Kant defined the conditions of experience as empirically real, and transcendentally ideal). The concept of Erewhon (or Kantian subjectivity, which organizes the pure intuition of sensibility in an asymmetrical synthesis of the sensible into absolute and ideal space-time); larval subjects (Leibnizian singularities); and Poincaré's eternal recurrence theorem (limit or hole-border of the thermodynamical real) can be used to demonstrate all of this. Raoulsie (talk) 09:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orgiastic representation of the infinitely large and small 

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message: "Gilles Louis René Deleuze (/dəˈluːz/ də-LOOZ"
Is this the American pronunciation? Why, given that he was French,  is it given priority over the French pronunciation? Certainly here in the UK I would never have thought to pronounce it other than the French way. And how do Americans pronounce his first name? "Gills"? (as in the fish organs), "Jills"? And why is the pronunciation of the first name omitted? Hundovir (talk) 15:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: gd qn. The Jean Baudrillard pg has a reference for IPA pronunciation maybe someone ought search Deleuze's FatalSubjectivities (talk) 10:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

text: The article should simply mention the French pronunciation: [ʒil dəløz]. What's the point of encouraging an incorrect pronunciation (which is at the moment given first)? Another thing: are Louis and René really Deleuze's names? Where's the source for this? Telivuo (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of name 

message: the "Zizek 2004" citations are for his writing for which book? There are 2 2004 Zizek proses cited on this pg. FatalSubjectivities (talk) 10:53, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zizek citations  

message: More than 20 thinkers were added without any meaning whatsoever (examples: Hegel, Battaile, Aristotle, Bachelard, Fichte, Holderin and many more). 77.85.226.98 (talk) 10:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can somoene fix the number od Deleuze's influences? 

message: Is there more than one model of society in "classical" liberalism? well there's the social contract everywhere even in classical works like Plato's Republic. Is Spinoza or Nietzsche a classical liberalist!? and what has this sentence got to do with the key of Nietzsche? this sentence has no relevance to this section: "In a classical liberal model of society, morality begins from individuals, who bear abstract natural rights or duties set by themselves or a God". I'm deleting it. it's here if someone explains its relevance by constructing an argument for its inclusion. *a cis woman growing a philosopher's beard MichelleGDyason 07:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  values section classical liberalism