Talk:Azadirachta indica

message: I am having a discussion with some Eastern members of a gardening group about the Neem tree.  In that discussion, we're trying to discover if the tree is also present here in the U.S or if it is only in the India area.
We've been looking at your two sites here for Neem and Chinaberry (link to Chinaberry is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaberry) and are coming up with several discrepancies and believe the Wiki text and images may be incorrect.  I'll crosspost from our discussion of the problems:
1.  Just found some other common names for it. Now I recognize it. We call it either Indian Lilac or Chinaberry or Umbrella Tree. It is classified as a poisonous, invasive plant here. 
Here's a page on it as known in the US. It grows here in the Southeast US.
http://www.galvbayinvasives.org/Guide/Species/MeliaAzedarach
Hmm, so it is in common use in India but considered highly toxic here.
2.  I'm getting confused. It sounds like we're talking about two different trees.
Check these pages out and compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem
Scientific classification 
Kingdom: Plantae
Division: Magnoliophyta
Order: Sapindales
Family: Meliaceae
Genus: Azadirachta
Species: A. indica
Neem (Azadirachta indica, syn. Melia azadirachta L., Antelaea azadirachta (L.) Adelb.) is a tree in the mahogany family Meliaceae. It is one of two species in the genus Azadirachta, and is native to India and Burma, growing in tropical and semi-tropical regions. Other vernacular names include Margosa, Nimtree, Nimba, Vepu, Vempu, Veppam (Tamil), Vepa(Telugu) and Indian-lilac.
and this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaberry
Scientific classification 
Kingdom: Plantae
Division: Magnoliophyta
Class: Magnoliopsida
Order: Sapindales
Family: Meliaceae
Genus: Melia
Species: M. azedarach
The Chinaberry or Bead Tree (Melia azedarach; syn. M. australis, M. japonica, M. sempervivens), is a deciduous tree in the mahogany family Meliaceae, native to India, southern China and Australia. It is also occasionally known as Persian Lilac, White Cedar and other names. 
While the Galbay website calls it:
Chinaberry, pride of India, Indian lilac, umbrella tree
Melia azedarach and does not refer to it as Neem.
Compare the classifications and imaages.  I think we're talking about two slightly different trees.
 
3.  Nope, I think the Wikipedia site is incorrect. Two more university websites refer to the same tree as Neem and Chinaberry.
http://trees.stanford.edu/ENCYC/MELIAaz.htm
http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/samuelson/dendrology/
The last one has images also. They look similar but not the same.
I'm not going to assume they are the same tree with different common names. 
Lots more images here. 
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/133516/
4.  You have put up a good information and also forced me to get more precise information about neem.
I have read the information about neem and chinaberry from the links and then went outside to see the trees growing on my street. 
On the basis of my observation and I was also astonished that according to the close up picture of chinaberry two trees in my vacinity are chinaberry and third tree is neem. But the confusion is that I have seen flowers of the 3 trees they look the same and have light sweet fragnance, the flowers are whitish to some bit of purple petals one or two. flowers are in the form of racemes.
The leaves of neem and chinaberry are very closely alike.
The trees in my street have shattered very few leaves. the wheather is changing and new buds are developing and I remember that they will also flower in after 2 months.
The fruit is greenish when fresh and yellowish white when ripe. hard and dry have bead like seed in the centre. I have never seen anyone eating it. 
In my country, India, two more related species are also grown commonly for shelter purposes. They are small in size I mean have height up to 3 to 5 meters. They have similar leaves, flowering habits and fruit like the above two. I will post pictures of all these trees for your close observation and I will also look in my library for the common english names of all these four trees.
 
5.  Chinaberry and neem tree are two different plants. the wikipedia site has incorrect picture of neem tree. Neem tree has long leaves like finger, while the other plant shown as Chinaberry is commonly known as 'kari patta' in Pakistan. 'kari' is the name of a dish and 'patta' means leave. We use its leaves in that dish to make it more delicious. 
Although neem tree has many advantages but in Pakistan it is commonly used to keep the mosquitoes away. I don't have a picture of neem tree at this moment because it is very common. By the way neem can not grow well in containers but Chinaberry can be grown in containers.
 
If the Wiki editors would like a link to our discussion to participate or observe as it develops, here it is:  http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=1874&tid=2513357231748148463&na=1&nst=1
Not sure if that will work as a direct link without you being a registered member of Orkut.  Have never participated in the editing of Wiki before so if something is inappropirate about my attempt to communicate the confusion, please correct while leaving the conflicting sources and questions.
209.247.23.182 02:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Identification Confusion Between Neem and Chinaberry Tree 

message: I'm confused about the statement in the article, "Commercial plantations of the trees are not considered profitable."  That brings me to ask if commercial plantations are not profitable, where do commercial preparations of neem oil that are available in US home improvement and gardening stores get the neem oil that they use?  Is it harvested in the wild???  Or is it obtained from plantations, just not profitable ones? Does anyone have a citation for this claim? Oswald Glinkmeyer 23:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After a bit of poking around--The source article (Note 1) refers to a study in Australia that suggests that neem plantations in Australia are not profitable.  Surely someone is growing the stuff commercially to supply the US marketers.  Oswald Glinkmeyer 23:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial production 

message: Here's just the top five links I found in a search which yielded over 50:
# Victory for India: Neem patent revoked
# NEEM PATENT REVOKED BY EUROPEAN PATENT OFFICE
# Neem tree patent revoked
# BEYOND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - Chapter 8. Are intellectual property rights useful?
# India accuses US of stealing ancient cures
I don't have a lot of experience with editing the wiki yet.  How do you think I should squeeze this in?  It's the first time it happened and there's no end to the references we can use. That's got to be encyclopedic, right?  ;)  Aaron Walkhouse (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Start a new section (perhaps "patents"), and summarize the important things worth noting, and reference each assertion. Chendy (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, that looks good.  I'll do it like that from now on.  Thanks. Aaron Walkhouse (talk) 06:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first time a patent on biotech was revoked involved Neem and it's use as a pesticide. 

message: Mouth Ulcers or Sore Cankers seems have no remedy and generally get cured by itself by a week if not
in 7days!
  I found that very tenders Neem leaves which are reddish in color and have less bitter taste
than green/dark green leaves, when chewed properly cure the mouth ulcers within a day or two.
Strangely Neem powder which is available commercially doesnt have such effect. Also chewing the
leaves improves dental hygiene and sensitive gums. Many people in west say that gargling
wih Chlor-Hexedyne cures Mouth Ulcers but I didnt experience such relief even after 4days.
People who cant stand the bitter taste of neem leaves can add honey to paste made from tender
neem leaves and apply same on mouth ulcers to get quick relief.
Neem juice given by moms is bitter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.123.191.69 (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neem leaves are excellent cure for mouth ulcers. 

message: It is my observation that neem trees regularly shed their leaves in late February or March (in India) regaining the same within one month or so. I don't know what category of tree it should be, but this article mentions it as an evergreen tree. Though it says that in some very dry conditions it may shed its leaves, but I think my said observation is not related to a particular region as it is same in Madhya Pradesh (India) as well as in Delhi(India). Please explain this behaviour in the article if somebody knows about it. Thanks in advance.                         -Hemant wikikosh (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Information Missing? 

message: http://www.fao.org/inpho/content/compend/text/ch06-03.htm#TopOfPage  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.198.135 (talk) 03:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the see me neeming 

message: ;Books
* Conrick, J. (2001) Neem: The Ultimate Herb. Lotus Press. 
* Puri, H.S.(1999) Neem: The Divine Tree Azadirachta indica. CRC Press. 
;Journal articles
* Bhowmik, D. et al. “Herbal Remedies of Azadirachta indica and its Medicinal Application”, Journal of Chemical and Pharmaceutical Research (2010),2(1):62-72.
* Girish, K. / Shankara, B.S. “Neem – A green Treasure”, Electronic Journal of Biology (2008),4(3):102-111.
* Mahapatra, S. “Novel Molecular Targets of Azadirachta indica Associated with Inhibition of Tumor Growth in Prostate Cancer”, AAPS Journal (2011),13(3):365-377.
* Schumacher, M. et al. “Anti-inflammatory, pro-apoptotic, and anti-proliferative effects of a methanolic neem (Azadirachta indica) leaf extract are mediated via modulation of the nuclear factor-kB pathway”,Genes & Nutrition (2011),6(2):149-160.
* Thoh, M. et al. ”Azadirachtin Interacts with the Tumor Necrosis Factor (TNF) Binding Domain of Its Receptors and Inhibits TNF-induced Biological Responses”, Journal of Biological Chemistry (2010), 285(8):5888-5895.
--Ronz (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: Please see Talk:Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. It is simpler than copying and pasting all that info here. 
Please add more info here in this article on the side effects of ingestion of Neem oil, Azadirachtin, and Azadirachta indica. Vomiting is one of those side effects. -- Timeshifter (talk) 12:19, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neem oil, Azadirachtin. Vomiting from residue left from late incorrect use as cannabis pesticide. 

message: Hi  this edit isn't vandalism. It would be nice if  would provide a source, but I don't think it should've been reverted either way. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Unrelated translations don't belong on the English language Wikipedia, and certainly don't have anything to do with the etymology. - MrOllie (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

text: *Yeah that's true. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:50, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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