Talk:Dominik Hašek/Archive 1

message: I think the first paragraph contains some questionable statements about Hasek's rank in hockey history. While he is definitely the most successful European goalie to ever play in the NHL, Vladislav Tretiak trumps him easily in international achievements. And "arguably the top athlete to ever play the position" comes across as overstated POV. One of the very best for sure, but the best? By what definition? 84.180.31.139 07:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: There is a discussion here about whether to use diacritics in names of hockey players. This page on Hasek is a perfect example as to why we need an agreement on their usage: the three quarters of the article used the diacritics but the last quarter didn't. Also, far more pages link to the non-diacritic name than the diacritic name. Masterhatch 03:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does the fact that somebody plays hockey have to do with their name? We keep Jaroslav Hašek, who has the same last name as Dominik, at his proper name. Why would we treat Dominik differently? Zocky | picture popups 03:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Masterhatch moved this page from Dominik Hašek, the one with a diacritic mark, to Dominik Hasek.  Note that all the other interwiki links in other languages that use the Latin alphabet feature the correct diacritic in his name, regardless of the local language.  Why should English Wikipedia be an exception?  It seems people can write "Dominik Hasek" in other articles if they insist, but why is it necessary to move the player page from the correct spelling "Dominik Hašek" to the incorrect only because this is a hockey player (playing in North America)?  This is capricious and should not happen.  -- Mareklug talk 13:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would keep it at it's original spot. It should be spelled correctly - with the appropriate redirect of course. Celcius 19:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: From Diacritic: "Modern English does not have diacritics."  The vast majority of native English speakers have no idea what they are or how to pronounce them.  Unless wikipedia is meant to be exclusively for linguistics majors and ESL speakers, I see no reason for them to be used.  After all, we don't spell Russian names in Russian or Chinese names in Mandarin simply because it's "the proper spelling".--John Connor 06:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Diacritics

message: This article needs a revision to make it more linear.  Hasek's trade to the Wings, for example, is detailed in three ways three non-consecutive times.  --zenohockey 00:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Like what the title said, PLEASE DON'T DELETE THEM!!! I spend a while figuring out what to do to get them on wikipedia and I want pictures for showing more of Hasek to people!(same goes with other NHLers.) If you do, I'll keep getting back to the previous page with the pics. Besides, No pictures makes it boring-Italic textHasekrules- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hasekrules (talk • contribs) 00:01, July 18, 2006
:Hello.  I am glad you are trying to improve the articles on Wikipedia.  Unfortunately, the pictures you are adding are copyrighted and not appropriiate for Wikipedia.  See Wikipedia:Copyrights for further information.  -- JamesTeterenko 04:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However wikipedia follows copyright rules, and adding this pictures to the article is in blatent disregard for these rules (sorry) --T-rex 04:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't remove pics!!!! 

message: I've marked this page for cleanup. There is sufficient information, but there are several confusing statements, the article is written in an unacademic tone, and it violates NPOV. It could also use a Career Statistics/International play/Awards section like Patrick Roy's article has. Wafulz 16:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's better, but it's still poorly written, academically speaking. Clean-up tag is back on...I'll work on it a bit. scsgoal31 00:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got up to 'The recent year'.  That section needs some major help...and I'm sure my work on previous sections can be edited.  I'm off for the night. scsgoal31 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Hasek is the best, please read your User talk page (click here for link). There is important information there for you, especially regarding this article and its tags. --Muéro 02:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I know this isn't the right section for this, but how do you know if a pic is not copyrighted???
because I'd really like to put images on this article, because I got a lot of pics.-thanks- (I will upload them by August first if I get how to.)
: If you just found them on the web, then they are probably copyrighted. Check out WP:IUP and Wikipedia talk:Image use policy for more details. ccwaters 15:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC
But what I'm saying is that is there any WAY of knowing they're copyrighted? Cuz I see Internet Images, like the Dominik Hasek pic, etc.
:Always assume they are copyrighted unless the page says otherwise. If the page has a copyright notice or something, look there and try to find the relevant wording. Check the Wikipedia links above, also, for a more official word. But unless you know, for a fact, it is NOT copyrighted or that use is allowed here -- and you can prove it with a copyright notice -- then do not upload it. --SuperNova |T|C| 04:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Uploading Images 

message: I'm gettin tired of tryin to put pics on Hasek's page, but if it wasn't for thst stupid copyrighted and 'unlicesened' things that always gets in my way, how about somebody put some images on other than me! Please??? I'm not the expert at this. Just go to google, get some pics, then figure out how to keep it on the page!~thanks~ hasek is the best 2:33pm 3 August 2006
:I appreciate your effort, but it's not that simple.  Few, if any, of the pictures on Google would be non-copyrighted.  The best way to keep a picture on the page is to take the photograph yourself.  And that's why there aren't many photos of NHL stars on Wikipedia. -Joshuapaquin 20:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Copyrights is why. We don't own the photos- the photographers do. Unless the photographer gives us explicit permission to use the photo, we're not allowed to. It's illegal. Wafulz 02:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody put images on Hasek's page! 

message: I made the statistics tables (I can't believe they weren't already done), and I have a question about the playoff table. I've noticed on other players pages that if their team did not make the playoffs, the table has dashes (-) in all of the positions for that year. But for this page, I wasn't sure what to do for the 2003-04 and 2005-06 seasons. Both times, Hašek's team made the playoffs, but he did not play. So should the table values be zeros or dashes? It doesn't really matter to me; I am just looking for other's input so it can be "correct." --Muéro 02:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're focusing on the player's statistics, so zero games == zero statistics --
Wafulz 03:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Playoff statistics table

message: Careful with some of the wording in the article.  For example, who labelled Patrick Roy as Dominik Hasek's "arch-nemesis"?  Unless the media or Hasek made such comments, personal commentary like that is not permitted. --Madchester 03:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I copyedited the article a bit- I think they were referring to the Avalanche being Detroit's arch-nemesis, which is pretty well-founded. --Wafulz 03:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: the gretzky statement IS sourced by a magazine. SO DON'T DELETE THE STATEMENT!!!!-hasek is the best
Then give us the source --Wafulz 16:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find that exact quote anywhere on the internet, although you said in the above section that it's everywhere. scsgoal31 17:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched for the quote provided by hasek is best, but came up empty.  The first few matches were pertaining to football, for some odd reason. --Madchester 18:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article from CNN/SI states "The rest of the goaltenders had their problems, including Buffalo's Dominik Hasek, called the best player in the NHL by Gretzky." So now I'm starting to believe he did say it, but we still need a good source. --Muéro 18:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: You have been warned multiple times by multiple users.  Stop adding copyrighted, as well as non sourced, information to this article. Just because you saw it written somewhere does not make it sourced.  We need the author and the issue that the exact quote was written in.  scsgoal31 22:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok... So what's the title, author of this book? What page? ccwaters 01:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Page? ccwaters 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone verify that? Thanks ccwaters 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Do u REALLY need to verify that??? I have the book with me now. I swear to God that it's on page 85. Geez. Enough said, lemme put the statement on! Let's just go on with our lives and just put it on so we can forget about this. Hasek is the best 18:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, but its kind of strange that just last night you said it was in The Hockey News. ccwaters 18:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: ccwaters 18:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What's the direct quote you are reading? ccwaters 18:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's above. Wayne said:"I think he is the best player in the game. He's just at a level that nobody is at right now. He's simply sensational." Hasek is the best 19:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wayne Gretzky statement 

message: Dominik's style is described as very unorthodox. Thanks to his litheness and extremely loose-joints, Dominik was able to perform unbelievable stunts on the ice. Among his strengths are excellent concentration and tremendous foot speed. He is unflappable and always prepared. But isn't he afraid he'll miss the swish of the puck now he's retired? is also from another copyright article. How of this did you copy paste? --Wafulz 16:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violations

message: Seems our young friend left this in the external links. It has a section called "WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING" which has a metric assload of sources that we can use. --Wafulz 20:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I found this Sportsnet page which has his international play stats, plus international awards we haven't already listed. I can try to make a table tomorrow if I have some time. --Wafulz 01:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The international stats sections are meant for international competitions like the Olympics and World Championships. ccwaters 23:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: International stats

message: Maybe we should take off the citing message. The only one here with a citation needed thing is the 1st one in the trivia section. Should we delete it? 24.57.136.32 18:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed.  Just a week ago, there were no references whatsoever! --Madchester 03:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we take off the citing message by now? 

message: I've removed the sentence about Hasek wanting to retire because it literally makes no sense. Just post the source for it; your sentences are very confusing and I don't even know what you're trying to say. Also, we don't need an in-depth view at his hobbies and stretching- it's really not that important. --Wafulz 23:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a university student, which means I'm permanently chained to my desk at least five nights a week. --Wafulz 23:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the actual page. Kudos on finding a decent source for the information- there's also a few other bits of information we can use. Anyway, I'm about to sign off so maybe I'll see what else we can do with it tomorrow. --Wafulz 04:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright, it's been added in with the reference . Again, nice job finding the source. --Wafulz 03:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2000 retirement/hobbies

message: Many sources say hasek was drafted 199th overall, but others say 207th. Most sources I read, like  say he was selected 199th. Can anyone really clarify? It's tricky to tell. What do you think? I'd say 199. But then there's  that say he was drafted 207! If you say which one, it's good to include proof. Hasek is the best 04:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every source other than Legends of Hockey says 199 (including NHL.com) so I've changed it to 199.--Wafulz 14:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was hasek selected 199th overall, or 207th? 

message: shows Hasek won the Hanrahan trophy, but is not in Wikipedia nor mentoned anywhere. Should it be a article and should it be put into hasek's article? It sas he the winner. Maybe it's a different name for Vezina trophy??? Hasek is the best 19:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is from a computer simulation. In other words, it's not a real trophy. --Wafulz 19:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This trophy 

message: Maybe we should cite the off the mark statement, which says: "On November 26, 2006, Mark Parisi's comic panel off the mark[18] featured a punch line about Hašek's childhood." Also how about a link? (To tell the truth, I'd like to know what it says.) So whoever put it on, please give a source/link if you have one. ~Thanks~ Hasek is the best 01:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The cartoons are on http://www.offthemark.com/daily.php . They're on a one week delay though, so we can't see it til December 3rd. --Wafulz 02:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Here it is. --Wafulz 20:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite the punch line for offthemark 

message: Hey, just to let you guys know, there's a picture on this article (Vezina Trophy)that is non-copyrighted (at least what I think). It shows Hasek with the Vezina and Hart trophies. Should we put it on? We might as well; I mean, why not? just assuring if we can. Hasek is the best 21:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a copyrighted publicity photo, but seems to meet fair use guidelines.  If it can appear at Vezina Trophy, we can probably use it on this article.  Good catch. -Joshuapaquin 22:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Picture on Wikipedia 

message: I think the article should be moved to Dominik Hasek (without the accent) per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Right now, nobody in the media or the NHL spells his name as "Hašek"- it's always "Hasek" --Wafulz 23:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title and content

message: Hey, there's this pic on the czech version of Wikipedia of Hasek with the Cup. Since it's on there, should we add it? I tried, but for some reason it won't let me, so I uploaded the same pic onto the article. Sorry if it's copyrighted or something, but I doubt it because if it's on Czech just fine, why not english? See here. Hasek is the best 04:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we can use it, but the image almost got speedily deleted because the copyright was not specified. I've put a hold-on tag on it for the moment. It looks like the image could be used here, but we'd need someone who understands what the Czech tag means (I don't know if it's Fair Use or public domain). --Wafulz 04:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it looks like we can't use it- we need a copyright status that would allow people other than Wikipedia to use it. The whole idea is that Wikipedia is copied to lots and lots of different websites and CDs, so the person who owns the copyright to the image would have to let us use it on other websites and CDs and for possible commercial use. --Wafulz 21:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it should be actually. I think it's because the image might be too old to delete (ie it was uploaded before the policy became active). --Wafulz 23:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This pic on Czech version of Wikipedia

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
*Support--Above-My reason is because it's annoying to always get the letter "š" from the box below the editing page. Besides, who does use the accent? Does it really matter that much? I think there's no point. And I've found no way to use accents on seaach engines, etc. (As you can see above, this has gone on for quite a while.) unless It's something like a french word, accents should be moved out unless the accent has to be there for correct pronounciation, but Hasek---there are different ways to pronounce it.  Hasek is the best 03:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite him being a Czech player, he is always refered to as "Hasek" in pretty much every medium. It's not any less accurate to call him that seeing as it's his name in English. Wikipedia:Naming conventions and its offshoots Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) seem to support using English names, particularly in cases like this where the foreign-born name is never used in the English language. --Wafulz 03:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't have an English name. His correct name is "Hašek" (as verifiable). Frequent appearances as "Hasek" on English media are due to either misknowledge of the correct name, carelessness or technical limitations due to the lack of diacritics on English keyboards. Naturally such justifications do not serve for an encyclopedia. See the Czech town of České Budějovice for instance. Certainly more often referred to as "Ceske Budejovice" in English, it does not grant lack of accuracy to its article.--Húsönd 04:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey