Talk:White-tailed deer

message: It was suggested that this article should be renamed White-tailed deer.  The vote is shown below:
* Oppose.  Check the article capitalization in :Category:Deer.  dbenbenn | talk 20:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It is a mule deer, not a whitetail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.115.59.211 (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, you could be right, but the USDA Research Service has it captioned "In the Northeast, the white-tailed deer is the primary host for adult blacklegged ticks." -- Mwanner | Talk 22:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All pics currently show or white-tailed deer. | Omegaman66 18:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought this would be right, but it's also wrong. These are all pictures of Mule Deer. Here is a picture of a trophy white-tailed deer. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmainedeerhunting.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2FMDH_Deer_4031490_860x466.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmainedeerhunting.com%2Fwhitetail-deer-hunting%2Fmaine-trophy-whitetail-deer%2F&docid=qolGOdmi0JfkhM&tbnid=Mxyc5xPTE22uRM%3A&w=860&h=466&bih=672&biw=1170&ved=0ahUKEwik2sud2YzPAhWMipQKHRNNDVU4ZBAzCAkoBzAH&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=466&w=860  Notice the antlers are one main beam with all tines off of it. You should also notice the fluffy white fur around the tail area. These are the main indicators of a white-tailed deer. Please see the Colorado Parks & Wildlife Big Game Brochure,http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/RulesRegs/Brochure/BigGame/biggame.pdf Page 13 for proper identification indicators. Pflucier (talk) 15:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buck Picture 

message: I've changed a little bit the body text, including South America in that part concerning the species geographic distribution. You can check this information in the following link: www.natureserve.com/infonatura (entry: odocoileus virginianus). Exlibris 22:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographical Distribution 

message: I am not sure if we should have the subspecies listed (trinomial name first, common name last) or (common name first, trinomial name last). Phaldo 17:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  subspecies classification 

message: Surprised not to see it here. Is this on another article? SB Johnny 13:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good idea, since the DNR always tries to regulate the population. Also include maybe the affects of predators (wolves) on the White-Tailed Deer. Population control is important to regulate herd, offspring production, and disease control. Michalakhunter (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  the overpopulation issue... 

message: Why are the O. hemionus subspecies listed in the Classification section?  Those are mulies not white-tails. Toiyabe 18:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification Section 

message: How about something on hunting deer?  Field Dressing them?  I mean, millions of people hunt deer, seems appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.254.234 (talk) 12:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not do how-to info.  There is an article on hunting. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deer Hunting 

message: From whence do all these subspecies come? ITIS says that only three are valid. Natureserve also lists 3. We have about 38 or 39 of them listed in this article. The only place I can find anywhere near that many subspecies listed is on that guy from France's deer-lover page and a handful of other pages which, apparently, use him as an authority. I suggest that ITIS is a pretty good authority. If they list only three valid subspecies, I think the article should reflect that. Comments? — Dave 22:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After one week, there have been no comments in response to my query. I will allow another week or so and then, if there are no substantive objections, I will edit the article to conform to accepted taxonomical realities. — Dave 13:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the number of subspecies listed is awfully high.  Maybe somebody made a list of all the subspecies ever proposed?  Mule Deer also needs to be trimmed down.  Toiyabe 15:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If memory serves me right, in the days before genetic comparisons among populations, most mammals with large ranges used to have long subspecies lists; at one time, the list on this page was probably the (more or less) accepted one.  When someone trims the list down, it'd be helpful to include an explanation of the old and new methods of what constitutes a proper subspecies.  – Swid (talk | edits) 19:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Scientists only consider of three of the 20, true subspecies in North America. the Virginia Whitetail the most common. The Colombian Whitetail found in the pacific Northwest and the key deer found only in the Florida keys. The Great White Hunter 20:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots of subspecies

message: I've made the changes we discussed regarding simplifying the taxonomy for the species. While in there, I also took the time to complete a major rewrite of the article. Have a look and fix up anything you think I missed or muffed. — Dave 15:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major rewrite

message: I've seen weights from 18 kg (40 lb) to 232 kg (511 lb) in various zoological literature – is this the mammal species with greatest variance in size? Other candidates for this record are the Least Weasel at 24 g (0.85 oz) to 250 g (8.8 oz, data combined from various sources), and possibly the Virginia Opossum – which could be the winner by quite a margin if The Animal Diversity Web has got its figures right. --Anshelm '77 20:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The upper end sounds reasonable, although it would be way way out on the tail end of the distribution.  How do you determine the lower end weight?  At birth?  At sexual maturity?  If it's at birth, the mammal with the greatest weight range (as a ratio) will probably be a marsupial - my guess would be a Red Kangaroo.  If your definition is at sexual maturity, the winner may be a weasel or other mustelid - my understanding is that some members of that family are sexually mature before birth.  Toiyabe 22:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point. I think the range should be for "adults", which may be at times somewhat hard to define. Species that grow throughout their lives (elephants and kangaroos come to mind), for example, may be a problem. Time of sexual maturity doesn't help much, as it is reached before true adulthood – we should know as humans. I suppose we have to rely on reported weights for adults in scientific literature. I did find another candidate that has the White-tailed Deer beat: the Brown Bear Ursus arctos varies at least from 45 kg (99 lb) to 757 kg (1,670 lb) throughout its range, the largest almost 17 times the size of the smallest. The champion should be found among species with notable geographic variation or sexual dimorphism, such as some Fur Seals. --Anshelm '77 16:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size variation 

message: Here is a picture I took of a fawn that appeared to be newly born.  Use it somewhere if you want.
left|thumb|300px|white-taled deer fawn in Winnetka, Illinois   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalmia (talk • contribs) 19:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fawn Image (new) 

message: Just thought I'd throw this out there:
White-Tailed Deer Impact on the Vegetation Dynamics of a Northern Hardwood Forest
Stephen B. Horsley, Susan L. Stout and David S. DeCalesta
Ecological Applications, Vol. 13, No. 1 (Feb., 2003), pp. 98-118 
DJLayton4 (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Landmark paper on deer impact on vegetation 

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thread_title: Raised importance rating

message: Are the two bucks pictured in the White_tailed_deer#Behavior_and_reproduction (the picture in the middle of the section of the two bucks in velvet laying down--not the two bucks standing in water at the beginning) truly Odocoileus virginianus? The file is named: File:OdocoileusVirginianus2007-07-28male.JPG.  It appears to be misidentified, but I thought I better ask for a second opinion--what's the saying: measure twice, cut once!  Pinethicket (talk) 13:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Pinethicket.  The two bucks in question do not appear to be whitetail deer, based on facial features and coloring. Woodlot (talk) 13:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Second opinion

message: What this article's writer associates with hermaphrodism, I also associate with hormonal trouble, as antlers could be a symptom of a loss of female hormone due to a disease.  In any case, I've been aware for years of an incident where a hunter shot a doe with antlers by mistake.  This was reported in Donald J. Sobol's ENCYCLOPEDIA BROWN'S BOOK OF THE WACKY OUTDOORS, from which this text was taken:
"There's a lot of buck in that doe. Richard A. Bauman of Gloucester, Massachusetts, illegally shot a female deer during the 1955 buck season.  Game commission officials let him get away with it.  Bauman had made an honest mistake.
"His 200-pound doe had a full set of antlers, the first ever reported on a female deer in the white-tailed deer population." (Sobol, page 40)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.159.26 (talk) 17:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  FEMALE DEER WITH ANTLERS 

message: "Does make maternal grunts when searching for their bedded fawns." I don't know what the subject of the sentence is, im guessing "mother" or something like that but i don't want edit it and have it be wrong. somebody who can figure it out should look into fixing this or removing the sentence altogether.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.217.167 (talk) 22:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject is "Does", adult female deer. The word "maternal" might be considered superfluous since what else would a mother doe grunt when searching for her fawns. Dger (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: haha i'm stupid. thx Dger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.217.167 (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I read it that way the first time too. I reworded the sentence so that it can't be read incorrectly. Dger (talk) 02:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete sentence 

message: There is vandalism on this page - something to the effect of "kill them and feed them to the hobos" but I can't find it in the "edit" section.  I've never edited wikipedia, so could someone with more experience do this? Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.201.22.10 (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone. It probably was reverted by a previous editor. Dger (talk) 01:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 'Diet' section - a line about 'likes the fresh taste of penis' - not visible in the 'edits' section - can someone fix? 173.48.40.237 (talk) 02:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This article needs more information about the hunting season and how the deer are hunted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucaspark57 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Hunting deer

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replies: text: Item was removed. Dger (talk) 02:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on [[White-tailed deer]] 

message: I don't know the extent of scientific papers on this, but there now is a published book () documenting an extensive example of domestication. While I haven't read the book thoroughly yet, I do know that the author not only has stated in other media the progress of the domestication throughout the years but has also has strongly recommended against domestication in most other circumstances, including in other actual attempted instances which have been noted in the media. I don't know if this would be credible or universal enough to be included in the article but I wanted to note at least that a successful instance of domestication does exist. Mapsax (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In the eight years since I wrote this, the deer in question died, so there is now a verifiable lifespan from reliable sources (local obituary, national belated obituary). That information may add to the notability. There's also a National Geographic article from April 2014 that I didn't mention above at the time that could be included as a RS for general information (subscription-only repost). (Full disclosure: I visited the deer three times.) Mapsax (talk) 01:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestication 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article says, "Populations of deer around the Great Lakes have also expanded their range northwards, due to conversion of land to agricultural uses favoring more deciduous vegetation, and local caribou and moose populations." Should that read "... and reductions in local caribou and moose populations."? I would change it, but I'm honestly not sure of the original author's intent. As written it's not meaningful. IAmNitpicking (talk) 11:41, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competing species ... I think?  

message: Why is so much of this article written from the perspective of the West US? Every mention of geography is made in relation to the Rocky Mountains. This is confusing considering the deer population is practically a gradient going from the East-coast states travelling west.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.123.167.48 (talk) 17:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  West-focused 

message: With taxidermy as prevalent as it is with deer, there should be a section in this Article about the process of taxidermy and the different opinions of mounting an animal. Many proud hunters use taxidermy to show off their kill, while others view it as unethical.Jforrestlee (talk) 01:14, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Information 

message: I found that  added a couple of references that matches his name.  So there is a potential conflict of interest.  He had also signed himself as "Tom Rooney" as evident by this --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 16:23, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of interest 

message: Whitetails don’t migrate at all. Most spend their entire lives within 2-3 miles of where they were born. The migration issue is a mule deer issue. 166.216.159.232 (talk) 13:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Migration 

message: — Assignment last updated by Mariali4502 (talk) 03:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: California Natural History

message: "Venison, or deer meat, is a natural, organic, and nutritious form of lean animal..."
Why is venison described as natural and organic? Isn't any food that comes from an animal organic? This means basically nothing and sounds like an ad Pepto!! Bysmol!! (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect it means organic in the narrower sense but that's a meaningless/redundant statement when the animal lives wild. And, yeah, I doubt anyone thinks that deer provide unnatural meat, so I don't think that needs saying. I've amended the text, and requested citations for the specific claims made. Anaxial (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  weird description