Talk:Decadence

message: This section is terrible. I think it should be outright removed, the only line I thought worth staying was The Great Gatsby mention, but even that isn't good enough as is. I fear this section is just going to become a trivia type section, at best. Does anyone oppose its removal? 71.199.190.190 (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Society

message: After the first paragraph, the rest just seems unnecessary and it adds very little to the article, more like a bunch of opinions and trivial info. Does anyone really think we need to keep the timeline(type thing)? 
71.199.190.190 (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock Music

message: Is it worthwhile to include that Islamic scholars and preachers believe the Western world to be in a state of decay and unwilling to defend its values?
Davo698 06:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamic views of Western decadence

message: In the following sentence, either the author or a subsequent editor has left the resolution hanging in the air, or "who" is entirely redundant. Anybody know which it is?
These "decadents" who relished artifice over the earlier Romantics' naive view of nature (see Jean-Jacques Rousseau).
''
--Thurble 23:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Truncated Paragraph

message: Neo Nazi concepts of decadence????
: Ironic, isn't it.  I assume the previous contributor was not particularly serious; it would be surprising for them to be unaware of the incredible hypocrisy they were committing by writing four paragraphs of high pretension where a single paragraph of normal prose would have sufficed.  ‣ᓛᖁ[ ᑐ] 15:45, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: People are going to disagree what is and what is not "unnecessary and outmoded". You may be quite sure on what constitutes moral decay, and you may be quite sure that it is the major catalyst for social decline, but that is NPOV. The fall of Rome had many causes, too many wealthy people avoiding taxes, shifting the tax burden down the economic ladder, relying too much on foreigners troops for their military, etc.--RLent (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Decline due to moral weakness

message: "Few bother to mention that Rome collapsed after generations of Christian rule. The really naughty emperors (Nero, Caligula, etc) were often hundreds of years before the end of the empire."
Anyone else think this should be reworded?
Sethoeph 01:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to the talk page for precisely that reason. Though I'm guessing that you, like I, couldn't think of the appropriate words to replace it with. But it does need to be replaced. sheridan 00:04, 2004 Dec 24 (UTC)
"Due to arguments over the nature of morality, whether a society is decadent or not is a matter of debate, though certain historical societies (such as ancient Rome near its end) are generally held to have been decadent, as decadence often leads to objective decline. "
The notions that the Roman Empire was a decadent society and that its decadence correlated with its decline are heavily contested. Also debated is the notion that the Roman Empire truly declined, with some historians describing a transformation. See the Rome entry. While one can make the argument that the Roman Empire was "decadent" by some measure of decadence, it's not on such solid ground that you should list it as the only example of a decadent society leading to a point of collapse and then use that example to support an argument that decadence leads to collapse. It's certainly a bit out of place to use the word "objective".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.36.38 (talk) 07:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rome

message: Decadence is a hot bubble bath(clean).  A box of chocolate with wine and champagne.  
Newspaper in tow.
Glistening women's skin.
Basking sun.
Considering 2PM to be too early of a wakeup time.
Occasional orgasm.  That orchestral, sacred glandular cosmic crunch.
Woman! That deviled and defiled egg.
Bemusement at the community's earnestness in regards to work.
And an awareness of the world;  however glazed.
See: happiness.
--Scroll1 21:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Essence of Decadence. 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I came here to remind myself of the name of the decadent novel which I once read, that was mentioned in the trial of Oscar Wilde and considered shocking in its day. Not mentioned at all. Similar for art - I suppose Aubrey Beardsley would qualify. I'm off to see if the linked articles mention them. 78.151.135.216 (talk) 16:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't just add a huge essay, especially when it is your own study. Plus, it is undue weight to have it larger than every other section. A sentence on it would have been fine. Zazaban (talk) 02:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wot no decadent literature or art? 

message: Decadence, like for example being bohemian, is definately not a personality trait, and hence not really a "personal trait". It is a personal style or lifestyle. 89.243.209.16 (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decadence - not really a "personal trait", more a style 

message: More ought to be added on positive takes on decadence. Zazaban (talk) 17:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive view 

message: I've never heard liberals use the word, but I've heard lots of conservatives and rightists use it. The article needs more on the rightist perspective. I notice others have raised multiple kinds of neutrality and balance issues here. Abyssal (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No rightism?

message: This article makes no mention of Nietzsche, who used the word decadence fairly liberally throughout Twilight of the Idols at least. But Nietzsche called morality itself decadent. Decadence is decline itself, not moral decline. Moral should be removed from the definition and moral decline should be made into a sub heading. Informatikon (talk) 18:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nietzsche?

message: Unorganized, nothing about literature or art, greatfull dead is irrelevant to the history of the world...  Also poorly written from a very bias, obviously white western point of view.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible article... 

message: For the life of me I can't see how the section on Dandies fits in.
A very poor article IMHO. 88.108.205.44 (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking the same. I'll delete it if nobody objects. Bhny (talk) 01:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dandies? 

message: Decadence means moral decline. Some dictionaries don't even give self-indulgence as a secondary meaning. I think this word has been severely misconstrued. It seems to me that its use in describing The West, next to words like 'opulence', have made that word's meaning attach itself to 'decadence'. 176.35.180.121 (talk) 12:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literal meaning 

message: Usually articles are about a topic, but occasionally they are about a word and are basically an extended dictionary definition. Which one is this article? Bhny (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article about the word or about the topic? 

message: — Assignment last updated by ThisIsJake (talk) 05:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: ENGL 172T Studies in Victorian Literature