Talk:Fourth-generation fighter/Archive 2

message: Can someone explain why the f-35  JSF is listed as having a lower than 1:1 thust to weight ratio, when it is a VTOL craft. Im not an aeronotical engeneer by this does seem suspect. —The article reaks of russian nationialism, "news from russia .com" is hardly a reliable source. This really doesn't deserve a b grade because it lacks athorative sources, there are plenty of athorative sources in the world of aviation, It also contains numerious factual errors, the idf didn't loose f15's in their air to air engagements with the syrians.  This article needs to be re written by a person who knows what they are talking about. unsigned comment was added by Androm (talk • contribs) 03:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: crap

message: I've nominated this article for deletion. It is, and looks to remain, unencyclopedic, original research, and conjecture. The other military comparison articles merely compare specs in tabular format, leaving the reader to interpret. This article, however, interprets for the reader, and belongs in a magazine or blog. Sorry if this winds up ruining your pet project. ericg ✈ 06:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD 

message: Okay, consensus on the AfD was that this page seriously needed editing, so no more defense of the status quo. Have moved it and rewritten the intro; will proceed to cull through the article as necessary. --Mmx1 23:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good.  Have fun dealing with the fanboys...--Robert Merkel 00:40, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Glad my AfD got something moving. I’ll back up any and all sensible edits (this article is watched, however unwise that may prove). ericg ✈ 00:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved, continuing edits 

message: Removed: 
* In the 1982 Lebanon War Syrian Air Force MiG-29s downed a number of Israeli F15s
All the reports I've found ( this is typical) say that the Isrealis shot down dozens of Syrian aircraft and lost none of their own. --Robert Merkel 04:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed claim 

message: One thing that's often claimed about the new-generation American planes is that their superior electronics information will reduce the workload on pilots, for instance by more sophisticated sensor data processing doing the work of identifying targets for the pilot, and a much simpler "user interface" meaning pilots only need to concentrate on relevant information.  --Robert Merkel 02:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For instance, this.  --Robert Merkel 02:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's more an ability of the computer to do post-processing on the data to refine it before it's presented to the user. My intent with "user interface" is to cover helmet mounted sights, another late 4th gen innovation. --Mmx1 02:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The F-104G disaster series of the german air force should not be forgotten. Throwing too much high-tech on the aircrew can be fatal. The Apache chopper also suffers from this somewhat, 3 or 4 crew would be better. 82.131.210.162 20:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User interface 

message: The Australian Strategic Policy Institute did a report on the upcoming fighter replacement; it's free, it's online, they seem to know what they're talking about, it's quite comprehensive.  http://www.aspi.org.au/15690bigdeal/index.html have a look].
Awesome. --Mmx1 13:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A very useful, citable report... 

message: The link supporting the claims of combat losses in the Afghanistan conflict is actually a link to another Wikipedia article, which isn't itself sourced.  I've asked on that article's talk page for a source to be provided. --Robert Merkel 23:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed until source is provided. --Robert Merkel 08:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan dogfighting? 

message: In the rewriting, the contention that the new-generation WVR missiles make dogfighting obsolete has disappeared.  I actually managed to source this.  It may not have been true when the 4th generation fighters appeared, but there's some people who think it's true now.  So why was it removed? --Robert Merkel 07:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the stuff on the new WVR missiles gone? 

message: The Rafale is already equiped with an IRST that is call OSF (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/rafale)
An other article in french: http://www.avions-militaires.net/rafale/radar-osf.php
Please review your article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.162.230.94 (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  infra-red search and track in Avionics section 

message: It seems clear that the fifth generation info should be in a separate article. Profhobby 03:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifth generation should be a separate article 

message: WHAT?? Why Israel? Flayer 14:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sukhoi Su-30]] (Russia and Israel)