Talk:Titanic/Archive 1

message: DO NOT EDIT OR POST REPLIES TO THIS PAGE. THIS PAGE IS AN ARCHIVE.
This archive page covers the dates between 2001 and September 12, 2005.
Post replies to the main talk page, copying or summarizing the section you are
replying to if necessary.
Please add new archivals to Talk:RMS Titanic/Archive02. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. MechBrowman 04:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The following text belongs in an article on worst maritime disasters, not the RMS Titanic. --Jiang
The worst maritime incident in history, in terms of loss of life in a single vessel, is recognised as the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff by a Russian submarine in 1945 in which between 5000 and 7000 people died. Some recent studies of the disaster concluded that the actual death toll was over 9000.
The worst maritime incident in history, in terms of loss of life in two vessels, is recognised as the sinking of the Cap Arcona and the Thielbek by RAF Typhoons on May 3 1945 in which around 8000 people died. 
However on 17 June 1940, RMS Lancastria (actually HMT Lancastria by the time of the sinking) evacuating troops and civilians from Saint-Nazaire, France, was sunk by German aircraft. The death toll is estimated at anything between 4000 to 9000. The true figure will remain unknown until secret British Government papers are released to the public in 2040.
The most in term of loss in lifes for two ships in the same attack is considered as to be the Cap Arcona and the Thielbek sunk by Typhoons RAF on 3 May 1945, around 8,000 people died. 
The most in term of loss in lifes for one ship is considered as to be the torpedoe of Wilhelm Gustloff by the Soviet submarine S-13 on 31 January 1945, 5,000 to 7,000 deads. From recent studies, over 9,000.
----
The above text IS relevant. The Titanic was the greatest loss of life of an maritime disaster at the time, and many people think it still is. Mintguy (T) 07:28, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just simply state that "The Titanic was the greatest loss of life of an maritime disaster at the time" and link to Greatest maritime disasters. Wouldn't the same text be relevant for the other ships listed? --Jiang 07:39, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why you want to remove this text. What harm does it do? It's right at the bottom of the article, it is relevant and interesting. The point is that many people THINK that the Titanic was the worst disaster ever (I even heard a TV anouncer say this a few days ago). This text makes it very clear that it isn't. As for the other ships, yes and no, there isn't this popular misconception, as these ships are far less famous than the Titanic. Mintguy (T)
Bravo, Mintguy !!!
What's wrong with putting it in a general article that can be linked by the other ships mentioned? I'm not for deletion. It's not irrelevant there. --Jiang 08:12, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Nothing, but we're not running out of space, so what's the problem in having the information in several places. Mintguy (T) 09:25, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: How many different articles mention that Germany invaded Poland in September 1939? I for one am interested in this, and so is whoever put back those facts after you took them out the first time. If the article reaches 32k them this might be an issue, but it isn't. Mintguy (T)
I don't see any harm in retaining the IMDB links on this page. Particularly for those films that do not yest have Wikipedia articles. Mintguy (T) 17:19, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Maybe 852 is at the waterline and 882 is at the deck? But I suppose a typo is more likely. --wwoods 00:14, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep it relevant 

message: If the ship was originally built in imperial units, shouldn't it read 852 ft 6 in (260 metres) instead of the other way around?  I expect a parenthetical measurement to be a translation of the first one. Kevin Saff 21:38, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Mintguy (T) 22:35, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units 

message: I think a disamb. page should be created rather than having "titanic" redirect here. There is already an article on the 1997 movie, and there may well be others for the other Titanic movies made over the years, but anyone looking for those articles end up in a "dead end" so to speak at the RMS Titanic article. If not a disamb. page, perhaps a subsection devoted to the Titanic in popular culture should be added, including a list of links to the different movies such as A Night to Remember. 23skidoo 19:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: An edit by an anonymous TCP number (203.217.71.190) on October 24 removed several important sections including a bunch of external links,  a section on the recovery, and an an entire section on the numerous films and novels about the Titanic.  This vandalism passed unnoticed, apparently.  I will put the information back, but since there have been so many edits since then, it can't be a simple reversion, but will require some care.  It will take me a while.  Damn!  Ortolan88 22:00, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I just put back three graphics, 10 ex-links, 13 foreign editions, the description of the Ballard expedition and the complete (up to now) list of cultural influences.  Maybe someone else could go over my work to see if I lost or duplicated anything that might have been added in the last three weeks after all this stuff was removed.  It's surprising no one noticed this, don't you think?  Including Ortolan88 00:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Got by me too, although my eyes do tend to glaze over at the volume of tinkering for this one article. There are other ships in the world... :-) Stan 05:15, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation Page 

message: One of the enduring legends is that someone associated with White Star actually said "God himself could not sink this ship" - would be nice to debunk or verify this in the article, since most people are probably familiar with the phrase and its hubris.  A brief Net search says the phrase was supposedly made by a deckhand, which shouts "urban legend", but I am no Titanic historian.  24.130.29.253 29 June 2005 21:05 (UTC)
:I'll try to look up where the story came from, I think there is relevant information in A Night to Remember - MechBrowman June 29, 2005 22:40 (UTC)
::Actually, it was one of the stewards who said to Mrs. Alden Caldewell, "God himself could not sink this ship. It is practically nonsinkable." or something to that effect. Morhange 22:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  God himself could not sink this ship