Talk:Steve Novak

message: I found the categories under Travis Diener. Royalbroil 04:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: I find the "or" in "June 13, 1983 or 1984" a bit hokey. The following are options:
# c. 1983
# c. 1984
# June 13, c. 1983
# June 13, c. 1984
# June 13, 1983 or 1984
My preference is #2.  No indications he was held back a grade in school, doesn't use awkward "or" in date when full explanation of possible dates is in the footnote, and no sense putting "June 13" if we are anyways approximating his birth date and the likely month/day is in the footnote.—Bagumba (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that 2 is best.—Chris!c/t 20:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The problem with "circa ___ " is that it does suggest one date is more likely to be correct than the other. That's not going to sit well with everyone, especially since many people don't seem to be reading the footnote. Is anyone in a position where they could just ask Novak when he was born? Zagalejo^^^ 21:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If one was more likely, we could list that date and explain our logic in the footnote.  The only argument I could see is that 1983 is used in all recent sources, so we could assume it is correct or else Novak would have gotten it corrected. However, I'm not seeing consensus for that here (although that is probably the logic of those who keep changing without explanation).  Lacking any preference, "circa" seems the most appropriate approach.  Also, someone just asking him wouldn't be verifiable.  Getting access to public birth record databases might be the best bet, but a lot of those are subscription-based.—Bagumba (talk) 22:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose someone can have him publish it on his twitter account.—Bagumba (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Novak could also contact WP:OTRS. While that conversation would not be accessible to most users (myself included), someone could add a hidden note like this. (Dreiling's case is an interesting one; that incorrect date had been included in official publications for over 20 years.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried contacting him via Twitter but it looks like he doesn't read tweets directed at him. Enigmamsg 02:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for trying! Zagalejo^^^ 05:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm not seeing any objection to using "circa" isnt ot the awkward "or" for his birth year.  I would suggestion option 3: "June 13, c. 1983".  Since it is circa 1983, it is an estimate, not an endorsement that 1983 is exact.—Bagumba (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if we did that, we'd at least need to keep the footnote. Zagalejo^^^ 01:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, footnote definitely stays.  I changed it to c. 1983.—Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not makes sense to use circa! Why are you using c. 1983 over c. 1984? You must list both dates equally! How are you an administrator if you can't even figure this out? 198.151.130.66 (talk) 19:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a vote, and we operate on consensus. Perhaps we would agree with you if you provide a convincing explanation. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be "either, or", not circa. Circa makes it sound like it could be any variety of dates, regardless of what the footnote says. Sources indicate exactly 2 different dates. "either June 13, 1983 or June 13, 1984" would be more appropriate wording. 198.151.130.67 (talk) 04:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: This espn.com article is a great source for expansion of this article particularly on his early life: AaronY (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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