Template talk:Citation needed/Archive 3

message: Why I cannot see the inter-language links? I want to get a copy of them and add another one. please add ar:قالب:حقيقة.--Alnokta 21:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are at Template:Fact/doc.  I've added ar: for you.  Jkelly 21:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad ;) thanks!--Alnokta 02:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter-language links 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inline templates.  I've been meaning to do this for a while. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Wikiproject Inline templates'' proposed

message: Please add the class "Template_Fact" (or something) to the sup tag (so, it would be like ) so that these can be styled with css or javascript. I have a javascript that looks for these that broke when the appearance recently changed. --Random832 13:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this (although the class should probably be "template-fact" in my opinion, as this is closer to the punctuation used in class names in the skins). However, before I send the job queue sky-high, I'd like to ask whether any other changes to this template need to be made too, and if anyone objects to this change. --ais523 14:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think it is a worthwhile change. The job queue is at 1600k, it was at 1400k earlier today.  Does it ever reach 0? CMummert · talk 22:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just clicked "save" which above change implemented. Hope it is all correct! SGGH 13:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: CMummert: I have known it to reach 0, but it's over 2 million at the time of writing. --ais523 11:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it is not being serviced right now to facilitate a database schema change (see the technical village pump). That's why it's so high. Anyway, the change has been made. CMummert · talk 11:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Good idea, good change. I think everything should be classed, you never know when a machine is going to read the article. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 23:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class 

message: In the third paragraph, the second sentence begins with the word "The ese". I do believe that this is supposed to be "These". This really should be corrected. 129.108.204.3 19:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can edit Template:Fact/doc; it's not protected. CMummert · talk 19:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling Error

message: I noticed that the template now has the brackets in blue.  I don't think this looks very good, and I liked it better with black brackets and blue words.  Does this have to do with the many formatting discussions above?  If possible, could it be changed back to black/blue/black instead of blue?  I never really minded the occasional line break, but now it looks strange.  Thanks!  Reywas92Talk 19:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue/black brackets 

message: Need to add:  (without the nowiki of course). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]   ‹(-¿-)› 03:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would that not go on the documentation page, which is not protected? Gimmetrow 03:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I guess that works, as long as the template itself not the documentation shows up in category. I didn't notice that the cats were in the docs.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]   ‹(-¿-)› 03:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cat. fix

message: 
Can an admin please modify the code so as to allow a line wrap between citation and needed when it overflows? It makes lots of pages have horizontal scroll bars unnecessarily because the 'needed]' part sticks out too far to the right. Fullmetal2887 00:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Inline Templates. Gimmetrow 01:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request that line breaks be handled properly 

message: The name of this template as  can be misleading to editors unfamiliar with teh the template's usage, as well as general wikipedian practices. Often when I tag things using  they can be quickly reverted with claims that I am claiming the statements to be innacurate, i.e. not a fact.
This tag should be used for statements and editor either 1)knows to be accurate, but doesn't have a source or 2)doesn't have the knowledge or resources to verify it's factuality, but has no good reason to doubt its accuracy. If an editor comes across a statement they have good reason to think is false, and that statement is unsourced, they should simply remove such a statement not tag it.
I think a lot of confusion over the usage of this template - i.e. whether it is calling into question the statements staus as fact, or just asking that a stated fact be sourced - could be solved by moving it to another name. But that's just a simple opinion.--138.77.2.130 05:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not following you.  You seemed to be objecting to , but then used the redirect  as the offending example. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 19:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can this template be moved 

message: :Template:Views needing attribution is related to the fact template and should be added to the see also section. --Abdull 09:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for addition of related template 

message: I have noticed that even if you leave a space before using the template like this "some fact ", it still butts right up against the fact that needs to be cited, and doesn't look too good. I would request that where the syntax shows style="white-space: nowrap;" that it be changed to style="white-space: nowrap; padding-left: 2px" or similar. Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 14:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done. This would mean a formatting change to a large number of pages. I'd suggest getting consensus for it somewhere appropriate first. (Butting right up is the standard formatting at the moment for such tags, and things like <ref>.) --ais523 15:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there is no consensus for the change. I like the way it looks, it is tight. Perhaps it looks different on your browser. Compare this with this to get an idea of the change, I like the first(current). With your suggestion it looks like the tag is a word on its own surrounded by spaces a opposed to being associated with the information preceding it. (H) 15:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request adding padding to the left 

message: So, how long do we let fact tags remain? If something has been uncited for 2 months, should it just be removed? Not a dog 01:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes. Generally a week is sufficient, maybe less on really high traffic articles. If no one can be bothered to supply a source in a week (unless they've indicated they are intending to do so) it should be removed. If they say they're going to provide one, but don't, just play it by ear. If they seem to be dragging it out, remove it.--Crossmr 00:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How long should they be tagged? 

message: change link of this template from Wikipedia:Citing sources to Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to find sources. After this section is added: . This should be helpful for a new visitor. Currently this tag is helping nothing in improving verifiability Racky pt 08:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  change link 

message: i got tired of writing  and made a copy at  for lazy people like me. :) --Indolences 22:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  subst shortcut 

message: The current code used is:
[citation needed]


This causes problems if the template produces the last text on a line. Specifically, with some browsers, if the word citation fits on the line, but needed does not, the word needed will cause a horizontal scroll bar. A proposed fix would be:
[citation needed]


A comment in a section above says that an earlier comment said this could cause a different problem in some browsers. I couldn't find any comment that that could have been a response to, and it didn't cause any problems for me with Firefox 1.5 or IE 6. Unless that concern is correct, I recommend changing template code. -- kenb215 talk 05:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's wait a little while for comments. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither solution is correct; the problem is that a [citation needed] using nowrap could potentially go off the edge of the screen, but some browsers will display the nbsp version as [citation needed] in such cases. If only there was such a thing as a non-breaking square bracket (except that that would cause problems with non-Unicode browsers)... --ais523 16:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, somebody above said that somebody above said that, but I didn't see any comment that might have refered to it, including in the archive. Does anybody know of any of the browsers that this breaks? -- kenb215 talk 23:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of line scrollbar fix 

message: This is a bit of a suggestion/discussion/request... Wouldn't it make more sense if instead of "[citation needed]" it would say "(citation needed)"? More in-line would seem to look more normal and make more sense to me. Althepal 04:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed at some length already (see discussion on this page).  For best results, please address points raised in prior discussion in your own suggestions.  —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 02:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reformat

message: There is an xkcd cartoon about this template. Bkkbrad 12:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL!! Althepal 18:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  xkcd Cartoon 

message: The usage notes should be amended to state that the editor should make a good-faith effort to check the references given and do a basic search to find references first, and only add the tag if they are unable to find and add a citation. There is no need to cite every clause in every sentence, and too many lazy editors apply this tag in trivial cases. WP:SOFIXIT! Dhaluza 10:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this is very annoying. Tomgreeny 15:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage notes