Talk:Mount Fairweather

message: How come Navteq is claiming that the peak of Fairweather Mountain lies within Alaska? --  Denelson83  10:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The legal summit is the summit, i.e. the treaty stipulated the summit as the boundary, not some abstract point; there may have been a survey error such that the original perceived latlong was not quite correct so that it is on the US side of the summit; I'm not sure the wording of the treaty, it could be points-as-surveyed/chartered or a more purely geographic reference such as "from the summit of Mount Fairweather to...".Skookum1 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also worth commenting that US-side sources, particularly government documents, are often misrepresentative of the treaty realities, often blatantly so.  Take a look at Topozone's Dixon Entrance map, then use BC's online topographic system to compare; the Canadian/BC version is as the treaty reads; the Topozone one is the USGS like other US agencies and politicians pretends is reality (oil leases in Canadian/Haida waters...)....so it could simply be the same kind of thing, or a little-boy kind of thing - "No - WE have the top of the hill.  Nyaa Nyaa."  Not that troops could be landed to settle the dispute, as with Hans Island....Skookum1 (talk) 21:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting; I just printed out and uploaded to my own webspace the BC Gov's online mapping system's version, which shows the summit on the Canadian side of the boundary, and I seem to recall something somewhere, maybe in bivouac.com, that that was the case; or maybe that was about St. Elias.  Anyway this is the map.Skookum1 (talk) 22:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to which, I visited WikiSource for the text of the Hay-Herbert Treaty, but don't see anything specific about surveyed/chartered points; "the summits of the mountains" or some equivalent phrase is what applies.  Surprising in this case that both Canada and the US have different mapped versions.....when I get time I'll inspect the latlongs; what's Navteq?  I'll see if it's googleable, but will check Topozone/USGS also.Skookum1 (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which side of the border? 

message: :The mountain was named on May 3, 1778 by Captain James Cook,[2] apparently for the good weather encountered at the time.
Well, duh....if it hadn't been for the good weather, he never would have sighted it, no?....Skookum1 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ironic...or redundant or something 

message: I did a radius search around Fairweather in BCGNIS and its names in other languages came up:
*Beautemps Mountain - French
*Buen-tiempo Mountain - Spanish
*Gutwetterberg Mountain - German
*Horoshi Pogodi Mountain - Russian
*Schonwetterberg Mountain - German
*Tanaku Mountain - Tlingit, according to BCGNIS anyway
The French name may be from the time of La Perouse; the German names probably from ethnographers who frequented Russian America, the Russian and Spanish names devolving from those Empire's claims/charting of the area.  Just noting these for now; they could be included in the name section somewhere maybe.Skookum1 (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: other language names