Talk:Shirk (Islam)

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message: Does anyone have any citations or support for the statement "Islamic theologians have thought hard about the implications of monotheism".....what are the implications that other needs to consider? OneVoice 20:08, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It was something my comparative religion professor said back in college: that Muslim theologians had carefully thought out the logical implications of monotheism, and addressed the various categories of worship that was to be exclusively directed to God, and gone into detail about what each of them implied.   Most of the other material here is from my old class notes as well.  Not sure if I still have the text.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 00:15, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I have attempted to reword this to state the point slightly more neutrally. You may wish also to review this site: http://www.muhajabah.com/tawhid.htm , which at least seems to confirm my notes on this.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 15:06, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Can someone fix the theology section? it's unclear and includes some sentence fragments, especially at the end. -- Awiseman 20:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theology 

message: The reasoning by which atheism is considered shirk seems clear enough, but it is not clear from the article how that reasoning is to be applied to  agnosticism.  In particular which of strong agnosticism, mild agnosticism, apathetic agnosticism, model agnosticism, agnostic theism, agnostic atheism, and ignosticism is considered shirk, and what is the appropriate reasoning in each case?  (No need to go into these types individually if all constitute shirk.)  --Vaughan Pratt 19:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Agnosticism

message: Does it apply? Especially in regards to polytheists.Domsta333 (talk) 10:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Domsta, according to the Qur'an it does, therefore it is relevant to include it in the shirk (Islam) article. Daniel De Mol (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shirk and Non-Muslims 

message: === Others than God ===
In the definintion the words "consider anyone god" will be changed to "consider anyone or thing god" in order to make clearer that making non human entities god is also shirk. Daniel De Mol (talk) 07:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overview 

message: In the definintion the words "consider anyone god" will be changed to "consider anyone or thing god" in order to make clearer that making non human entities god is also shirk. Daniel De Mol (talk) 07:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Others than God 

message: Quotes and citations will be slowly moved to the references section. Daniel De Mol (talk) 07:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: === Qur'an ===
"Another form of shirk is to consider the Lord as people and monks" will be changed to "Another form of shirk is to take scholars of religion, monks, divines or religious lawyers as Lord/(s) in practice by following their doctrines, and/or by following their rulings on what is lawful when it is at variance to the law or doctrines prescribed by God's revelation"</br>
The reason for this is that 9:31 mainly applies to the Jews and Christians, none of whom so far as I know consider the Lord to be people and monks in theory which the former wording seems to imply.</br>
Citations will also be added to the Yusuf Ali commentary, and multiple translations of the Qur'an for 9:31. Daniel De Mol (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: "Another form of shirk is to consider the Lord as people and monks" will be changed to "Another form of shirk is to take scholars of religion, monks, divines or religious lawyers as Lord/(s) in practice by following their doctrines, and/or by following their rulings on what is lawful when it is at variance to the law or doctrines prescribed by God's revelation"</br>
The reason for this is that 9:31 mainly applies to the Jews and Christians, none of whom so far as I know consider the Lord to be people and monks in theory which the former wording seems to imply.</br>
Citations will also be added to the Yusuf Ali commentary, and multiple translations of the Qur'an for 9:31. Daniel De Mol (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qur'an 

message: === Lesser Shirk ===
==== Swearing by other than Allah ====
This section previously had a title at the same level as "Lesser Shirk", however it seems to be only a form of lesser shirk, and only in the view of (Wahabbi) Salafis, so it is being moved to a sentence within Lesser shirk, and attributed to the Salafis. Daniel De Mol (talk) 05:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shirk 

message: ==== Swearing by other than Allah ====
This section previously had a title at the same level as "Lesser Shirk", however it seems to be only a form of lesser shirk, and only in the view of (Wahabbi) Salafis, so it is being moved to a sentence within Lesser shirk, and attributed to the Salafis. Daniel De Mol (talk) 05:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lesser Shirk 

message: This section previously had a title at the same level as "Lesser Shirk", however it seems to be only a form of lesser shirk, and only in the view of (Wahabbi) Salafis, so it is being moved to a sentence within Lesser shirk, and attributed to the Salafis. Daniel De Mol (talk) 05:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swearing by other than Allah 

message: The article probably needs to say about shirks like magic, sorcery, fortune-telling, astrology, etc.
Also, aren't these considered Shrikh also: God having child, parent, family, etc
Verycuriousboy (talk) 13:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic and Fortune-telling 

message: This has been tagged for merging Taghut into this article since December 2010. Personally, I feel that these two articles are now long enough separately that this is unnecessary, but I am no expert on these subjects. What do other editors think? — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 23:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with Taghut 

message: Wasn't the name of one of the minor goddesses Al-Lat, with an L?  It's hard to see if this was capital I or small L in the text.     66.241.130.86 (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Al-Lat. Editor2020 (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   Al-Iat or Al-Lat? 

message: The last sentence of the lead reads, "The only exception to this is if a believer repents from shirk before death.", please change it to, "The only solution to this is if an unbeliever repents from shirk before death (by converting to Islam)."-Kafir2 (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: My edits are being reverted and so I want to avoid doing it myself.-Kafir2 (talk) 01:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. I can't see that you've made any edits to this page recently: please use reliable sources and follow the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, and if your edits are reverted then discuss the issue with the editor who reverted you on the talk page here.  Seagull123  Φ  12:10, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Help me

message: Removed prejudiced anti-sufi outside links 138.202.129.129 (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links vandalism