Talk:Gene Scott

message: I have absolutely no connection to Gene Scott, but I was a little surprised to find such a biased article that calls the man a "Nazi" in the first few lines. This is totally wrong and obviously the text was written by someone who has ax to grind. I am interested because I followed the link after trying to clean up all of the "Lost Ten Tribes" tangled mess spinning off Herbert W. Armstrong and the history of broadcasting that involves Armstrong. Eugene Scott is or has been on a considerable number of broadcast and satellite outlets and he also linked with Armstrong during the constitutional challenge brought by the State of California. I am going to move the existing text here and recreate a new stub. Then what will be on the Talk page can either be salvaged or dumped while totally new copy can also be added. Please jump in and assist cleaning this mess up. MPLX/MH 03:36, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The contents of this article need to be deleted and rewritten 

message: Many viewers will recall the long long battle with the IRS attempting to tax Dr Scotts revenues and 
that war might be mentioned in this article as Dr Scott's successful defeat of the IRS is actually a leading
event defending the separation of church and state. compari jr, "drink grain tee" 69.121.221.97 (talk) 05:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  War with IRS 

message: This is the old text that was on the site:
He is ardently anti-Semitic in his radio sermons (see Nazi).
Dr. Scott was hired as a consultant to assist the troubled Faith Center Church in Glendale California in the 1970s. At the time, the debt-ridden Faith Center owned three television stations KHOF-TV 30 in San Bernardino, KVOF-TV channel 38 in San Francisco, and WHCT-18 in Hartford CT. In addition the Church also owned KHOF-FM in Los Angeles, CA. Each of the broadcast licenses was for a full-time commercial license, which would have allowed the church to sell airtime if they so desired, i.e. as a separate business activity not related to the church's non-profit status. However, at the time that Dr. Scott arrived on the scene, Faith Center was facing imminent bankruptcy, having inadequate funds to maintain operations.
The board of Faith Center resigned, and Dr. Scott went on the air to try to raise money to save the Faith Broadcasting Network.  This would prove to be quite controversial in the years to come since at that time, that is, in the mid-'70s most cable companies carried only 12 channels - and it was therefore to the great ire of many a television viewer that one of those precious channels appeared to be carrying the same religious broadcast almost 24 hours a day.  Some cable companies refused to carry the program, despite the so-called must-carry rules of the Federal Communications Commission, which requires regional cable operators to carry all local broadcasters upon request.  In some cases, television viewers appealed to local members of Congress to force their local cable operators to carry Dr. Scott's program, prompting the [[Federal Communications Commission FCC to investigate at least one now defunct local cable operator for refusing to carry the broadcast, while at the same time a different bureau of FCC was trying to have Dr. Scott taken off the air altogether for refusing to turn over the name of every person who ever made a donation, the amount of that donation, and what the donation was spent for.
Please help to create a new and unbiased article to replace it. MPLX/MH 03:41, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cleaned the site up twice. Okay so the text above is now a cleaned-up version of the original. What it lacks is some case numbers. I know that Scott was involved in both case law, constitutional issues and FCC issues, but a link to the FCC is not much use. If you want to help please document with references the cases referenced above and then it can simply be cut and pasted into an appropriate sub-paragraph concerning ===Legal issues=== MPLX/MH 22:45, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old and very biased text that needs sifting 

message: I recently had a renewed interest in Dr. Scott from an avatar a member of a forum I go to.  Other than the funny glasses on the pic (which may or may not have been Photoshopped on), I knew the dude from somewhere, so I asked my friend, and he said, "Oh yeah, he died earlier this year."  I remember seeing his broadcasts on satellite dish way back in the early 1990s, and as a 10-year-old thought they were pretty damn funny.  Came across this article... whoever did the most recent edit before I got my hands on it seems to have an agenda on their hands.  I cleaned it up the best I could.  I see the article on Melissa Scott suffers the same fate as this one.  I'd edit it, but don't know much about her, and if I were to clean it up, I might as well delete the whole article on grounds of bias. - Cooleyez229 07:27, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just like to add here, let's keep the article relevant to what Dr. Scott did.  If anybody would like to write about what his widow has done, there is an article for that. --Cooleyez229 18:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, if anybody is looking to write about the actions of Dr. Scott's widow, once again, there is a seperate article for that. --Cooleyez229 06:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Cooleyez229|Cooleyez229]] edits 2005.10.24 & 2006.02.21

message: Gene Scott believed and taught that "before the worlds were formed," the Creator of the universe looked out across time and chose for his own benefit those who would have the spiritual discernment to accept the teachings of Christ and enter the Kingdom of God in eternity.  For that reason, he often taught that he was not interested in "saving" anyone!  What, at first glance, appeared to be the words of a raving maniac, were in fact the words of someone claiming to be well acquainted with the criteria of who God damned!  Thus his recommendtion to some viewers to "go to hell!"
Thus it is possible to make the following summaries:
JESUS CHRIST was a wandering rabbi.
PAUL was an Israelite, of the tribe of Benjamin, born in Tarsus,Turkey, a tentmaker, Roman citizen a persistent persecutor of the Church.
MARTIN LUTHER was a German Catholic monk.
and GENE SCOTT was a television evangelist.
The internet, in 2007, is the only democratic source of information available. 
The price of learning the truth is the necessity of wading through a lot of 
misinformation.  At the moment, almost synonymous, with checking a subject on 
the internet is looking it up on Wikipedia.   Wikipedia can always be counted on 
for some negative information on the subject matter.  Negative information that 
websites controlled by the subject would not include.
This talk page discussion is a summary from memory of content broadcast around 
the world 24 hours a day for 24 years. The content was about belief systems.  
Only viewers gaining insight or education from the program content would 
consistently tune in. To be original research, it almost of necessity has to be 
point-of-view.
Most of the distortions in Wikipedia are from agnostics and skeptics projecting 
their explanations of the events in Scott's life.
Scott spent a lot of time on the scriptures in the Old Testament.  The gospels 
covered the teachings and events of the life of Christ.   Saint Paul's letters 
were to the first churches of Asia Minor.  Constantine incorporated Christainity 
as the official religion of the Roman empire and this permamently instituted the 
Church.
The suppression of the scientific knowledge of Galileo and others by the Church 
led to a rejection of Christainity as a belief system in favor of the scientific 
method.
Getting a Master's degree and a teaching credential in the Cal State system 
entitled Gene Scott to teach in secondary schools and junior colleges in 
California. It was only when he entered the doctorate program at Stanford that 
he learned the tenents of EXPERIMENTALISM: the underlying philosophy on which 
John Dewey's methodology of progressive education was based.
Scott taught that EXPERIMENTALISM postulated that there were no absolutes of any 
kind.  That there were no entities that preexisted or continued to exist.  That 
there was only a sea of relationships. That there was no "you" that would 
endure, and that your only existence after death was the influence your "wave" 
of existence left on the universe.
From this the SELF became the criteria of value and truth and that what was 
"true" was what worked for you: PRAGMATISM!
His acknowledgement of the modern rejection of the biblical belief systems led 
to a study of the pyramid which he felt was a sign and a symbol mentioned in 
Isaiah left to a scientific age.
The sacred pyramid inch preserved in the map room near the king's chamber is 
exactly one five-hundred millionith of the polar diameter of the earth.  The 
pyramid is at the intersection of the longitude and latitude that crosses the 
most amount of land putting it at the center of the land mass of the earth.  On 
a rectangular global map the earth is divided into four equal land masses. The 
circumference of the circle in the map room is exactly 364.242 pyramid inches 
which is the number of rotations of the earth on its axis during one orbit of 
the sun.  When a leading pyramidologist died his wife chose Gene Scott to be the 
recipient of her late husband's library.
Scott sued Time, Inc. and Time magazine ceased refering to him as a "television 
evangelist" which he felt was equivalent to a racial epitah.  Much of his 
bizarre behavior was designed to annoy legalist and fundamentalist into tuning
out.
He rarely gave interviews.  He avoided publishing succinct summaries of his 
teachings. He felt he was a primary source available every where.  It is 
difficult to avoid original research of his programs themselves and hard to  
find published information
His strategy was to create a "live" independent television presence along with 
re-runs not controlled by any governmental or institutional hierarchy.  His 
programs were interactive and self-financing. [ really foreshadowing the 
internet].
A large percentage of the TV time was devoted to hand-held exterior shots or 
horses or places he visited with
mostly non-religious music in the background.  This gave time for feedback from 
the audience and fund-raising.
He had about 30 people taking phone messages which he would read during the 
breaks and also read to the viewers
when he was back "live,"
This allowed him to learn and refine his own teachings.  Viewers would bring his 
attention to the definition
of "fundamentalism."  The Paolo Leoni book: THE LEIPZIG CONNECTION about the 
introduction of "progressive education" into the Columbia School of Education 
was brought to his attention this way.  Bookstore soon sold out of any book he started reading on the air.
If one watched him from the early 80's when he was elected pastor of Faith Center and started appearing on TV stations one would realize he taught by example.  Each crisis or battle lead to proof of his belief in God.  He took over a church
in bankruptcy and taught how faith works by making it financially thriving.  He 
took criticism of raising money
and illustrated that giving was in and of itself and deeply religious act and 
therefore off limits for 
government scrutiny.  When the federal government revoked the licenses of the 
UHF TV stations in Glendale,
San Francisco and Hartford, Conneticut, Scott pulled the plug and the resulting 
white noise that filled millions
of TV screens that night was a chilling example to everyone watching of 
government censorhip.
His stand on principle lead to entering into an arrangment to share a satellite 
transponder with the Playboy
Channel and he was soon reaching "sinners" all over the United States including 
many cable systems.
His shortwave station in the British West Indies was immune to FCC regulation 
and blanketed North and South
America.
When the godless SOVIET UNION suddenly disintegrated in 1989, the Berlin wall 
fell, the Iron Curtain collapsed,
democracy took over the former Soviet bloc countries, Gene Scotts satellite feed 
was suddenly blanketing the
earth from the giant Radio Moscow transmitters, including the Middle Eastern 
countries and Israel and Africa.
No other human being in the last 24 years has covered as many diverse subjects; 
clarified as many of the
doctrines of Christianity and been as accessable around the earth to those who 
are open to the message. 
The aquatic center and library projects were more vehicles for people like Mayor 
Tom Bradley to provide a social opportunity  for people like Henry Kissinger or 
the CEO of ARCO to meet the man they watched on TV.
Listing these charitable causes ignores the profound influence he had on 
religious thinking in the world.
Scott did not reject standard medical treatment. He had complete dental implants, a stint in his heart and frequently took nitro pills. He was under the care of the finest physicians in California and frequently 
showed macro-close-ups of the written results of all his medical test on the air. He did not reject standard medical treatment in favor of herbs.  His life from 1980-2005 completely fullfilled the prophecies Claire Grace made to him
regarding television, healing associated with his ministry and finding happiness at the end of his life. [Melissa]
The last five years, in his old age, he turned completely inward to examining in microscoptic detail the original Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible.  His most forceful contributions were made in the 1980's and 1990's.
THE SACRED AND THE PROFANE---future dicrections:
In the old testament, as a form of worship [worth-ship] man took his best crops and made a "burnt-offering" to God.
So the money to purchase the building on Hope street was not "lost." The donors gave it as an act of worship to God,and reeped the reward, instantly, in His eyes (if He exist!)  Further, Scott taught, Paul taught if you have been brought closer to God, by the teachings of a man, you should share-materially with the person who taught you.
Scott stated that since the act of giving, was in and of itself, a religious act, the government had no business examining what it was used for, and Scott often stated he would fly out across the Pacific ocean and dump the cash out of the plane if he felt like it.  Thus it would be "lost" just the same as if he had made a bonfire with it.Joe Reynolds 08:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of this info could be incorporated in to the Broadcast and Stage Presentation section.  Most of it, however, is factually in error and pure POV.  Also, it is E. Raymond Capt, not "E. Raymond Capp".  And Scott was not given Capt's library.  Scott was given pyramidologist Adam Rutherford's library.  You think you know what you're talking about here but you don't.  This article needs much work.  Please don't create more work by introducing base-less emotionally motivated nonsense and errors in to the article. Joe The Editor 19:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An accurate view of Gene Scott's teachings 

message: In February 2009, there was a marriages section. In August 2009, it's gone. It's not too much to ask that the web page include at least accurate dates on the marriages.
Once upon a time there was a web page for his widow, the former Melissa Pastore, but now it directs to Eugene Scott (Yes I know the page was redirected and locked in 2007). She is not Eugene Scott, she was born ca. 1968, she's a public figure and still on TV every night, and deserves her own page.  JoelWest (talk) 08:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sourced in this investigative report; Marie Claire isn't exactly the New York Times, but it's not the checkout-stand tabloid either. The subject certainly should be brought up in this article, as Melissa Scott is a public figure, and really rates an article (the deletion discussion doesn't see m to have turned on notability but the then-missing sources for controversial claims). However, she has said so little about herself there doesn't seem to be enough to make a standalone article about her. DavidOaks (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: More sources: Voss, Gretchen. The Preacher’s Unholy Past. Marie Claire Lorette C. Luzajic She Works Hard for the Money.  Cindy Malatesta From Barbie Bridges to Melissa Scott aka from Sex to HeavenDavidOaks (talk) 21:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriages 

message: Nothing in this article describes his deconstructionist approach to bible interpretation or his apparent understanding of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, etc.  His delivery depended greatly upon his understanding of these languages, and his approach to the original texts was certainly a part of his recorded TV programs.
:That's because there isn't any understanding. It's mediocre flim flam. He couldn't even speak Spanish much less Greek or Hebrew and neither can she. If you listen carefully to his broadcasts - and hers now, they both use the the same "teaching" technique - basically nonsense presented with pomp and circumstance. They never make a real point, it's loop, after loop, after loop with no close. It is designed to get you lost and frustrated. If you have a low opinion of yourself and buy that they actually know something, then you will come back again and again until you "get" it (and pay them money too). In reality, there is nothing to get. It's just an age old psychological trick that Scott figured out many years ago and passed on to wife. Makes good money, but tends to addle the brain a bit. I liked M. Scott better when she sang - it was more honest. God bless America! Lexlex (talk) 07:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistic prowess 

message: Vote at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 March 22. Badagnani 06:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion review for [[Melissa Scott (pastor)]]

message: There is not one mention of the man's controversial nature, and bizarre presentation in this article. This guy was unique to say the least, but this article gives no such indication --Diablorex 05:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe in Neutrality but c'mon! 

message: This article needs to be rewritten with sources. And it needs NPOV sources, not just his autobiography or church materials. That really is unacceptable. For those of you who are fans of Dr. Scott, this will result in some negative material in here, necessary for NPOV according to WP principles. Sorry. --Filll 22:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite necessary 

message: Is this the best way to represent some of this controversial information?--Filll (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  As much as I dislike much about aggressive televangelists 

message: The article should delve a bit more deeply into the attempted purchase of the Church of the Open Door.  Scott bludgeoned his followers into coughing up millions of dollars to purchase and refurbish the building, culiminating in the first service he held there in which Mayor Bradley was in attendance.  After that, attendance dwindled to the point that the television cameras were tightly focused only on the first few rows.  When it became obvious that he was going to be unable to raise the money to complete the purchase he seized upon the alleged "cloud on the title" (which in reality was nothing that would ever stand up in court) in a shameless ploy to back out of the deal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.198.73 (talk) 17:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church of the Open Door Purchase 

message: The article mentions the "Jesus Saves" signs in reference to the University Cathedral, but it should be told that those signs were historically significant because they hung at the front of the Church Of The Open Door for many decades, during which time many of history's most important fundamentalist preachers were its pastors.  Scott may have been over-matched in his attempt to save the Church Of The Open Door, but he did at least save those famous and brash neon signs.  It is also an important footnote that Scott was the last one to preach from that historic pulpit.
qodesh for the Lord Jesus Christ (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott rescued the COTOD's "Jesus Saves" signs from demolition 

message: I have started a discussion at Talk:Melissa Scott (pastor), suggesting that that content be merged with this article. Or perhaps, one of this article's watchers can help to find references about her career as Barbie Bridges that will pass WP:RS, in which case I think her article should stand alone. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You must have seen the boiler plate at the top of the article about "living persons."  Gene Scott is not living.  It would not be wise to merge it with a living person, as there are special rules on living persons. (EnochBethany (talk) 06:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a stale comment, but as the merge-discussion is live again, I'll comment for any who may be watching. Yes, there are "special rules for living persons", and they apply everywhere. A merge would in no way change anything as far as WP:BLP goes. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: A discussion is taking place as to whether the article :Melissa Scott (pastor) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Melissa Scott (pastor)]] for deletion 

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