Talk:Ferrari Enzo

message: From the article:  After a maximum downforce of 775 kg (1709 lb) is reached at 300 km/h (186 mph) the rear wing is actuated by computer to maintain that downforce.
1) Force isn't measured in Kilograms.  It appears that someone just did a crude conversion.  Do you mean Newtons?  Where does this information come from?    
2) The owners of the Enzo includes Pope John Paul II.  I suspect this is wrong.  There is also much other misinformation in the list of owners.  But, it's been my experience that maintaining accurate lists on Wikipedia is near impossible.
63.99.16.91 21:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Downforce

message: This should really just be "Ferrari Enzo" and not "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari"
:No, it should really be "Enzo Ferrari" since that is the actual name of the vehicle, but that name is already used!  I'll add a note.  --SFoskett 21:54, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
::As I see it, the car is named "Enzo Ferrari" but the correct title of this article is "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" &ndash: i.e. the name of the manufacturer followed by the name of the model. SamH|Talk 22:52, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't renaming the articles Enzo Ferrari (car) and Enzo Ferrari (person) be more in line with Wikipedia naming conventions? I can't imagine anyone calls it the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. KeithD (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was concerned that the term "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" may be obscure, but apparently it has many hits: . Shawnc 18:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Enzo Ferrari refers to the person. Ferrari Enzo is more accurate and widely used as the name of the car. Jdong15 (talk) 05:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

text: The prank is cute but should at least be labelled as a prank in the article.  My guess is the link will stop working soon.  If you're going to keep it in the article you might want to paste a few juicy quotes.  Phr 13:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of article 

message: I've removed William J. Pulte from the list. The referenced article actually mentioned him while describing the actual owner, Bob Rapp. I'd list Bob Rapp, but it appears that his Enzo was sold (or at least listed) on eBay in late 2005. quadratic 11:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  William J. Pulte 

message: Is it true that the car is alternatively known as the F60?
YES
The  proof is also  in this picture adress:
http://downloads.redjupiter.com/users/images/FerrariForSale/F601b.jpg
:No - Ferrari does NOT call it the F60.  This name is not used anywhere on ferrariworld.com, nor is is used in Ward's Auto World, Car and Driver, etc.  This is just a name some people seem to have applied.  Might as well call it the "sooper dooper Ferrari" since I'm sure someone once said that...  --SFoskett 21:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Top Gear said it was a F60 when they test drove the car. --60.234.137.41 05:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Top Gear's web site does indeed have two mentions of "F60" (both are in Google's cache and are no longer on the site).  One is a compilation of lap times for the Stig, while the other debunks F60 as the name of the car.  So perhaps they have used this name on-air in the past, but they certainly no longer claim that it is the name of the vehicle.  --SFoskett 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I don't know if this is still relevant, but yes, the Enzo Ferrari was never intended to be, and was never officially called the F60. Common knowledge dictates that since it succeeds the F40 and F50, it should be the F60; but no, it was never built to celebrate another decade of Ferrari. It was, as the Name section indicates, a celebratory model for F1. If anything, those who would like to put numbers after the 'F' could call it the F140 (which refers to the internal project and engine number), as seen on the test unit plate 'MO 140 EF'. Spy reports back then used to refer to it as the F140. One might say that the Enzo Ferrari was merely the testbed for the engine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightvisiongoggles (talk • contribs) 14:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferrari F60? 

message: The "Production" section says that in March 2005, Ferrari announced it would built a 400th car, and then in January 2005 it presented this car to the Pope.  I don't know what the correct dates are, but surely one of these dates must be wrong?
The March 2005 date is definitely incorrect.  I've changed that to "Sometime before 2005", and it shall stay that way until we have the correct date. --HashiriyaGDB 23:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates for 400th car? 

message: The entire page appears to have gotten bloated and messed up. Do we really need a Wallpaper section? eXotic cars? Fastest cars? Snapshots? The References section appears to have been "replaced" with Accidents and the info on the Ferrari Enzo crash has dominated the Owners section abit. There even appears to be a personal ad for a Ferrari Enzo For Sale!! If someone doesn't explain the justifications for each section, i'm tempted to revert the page back to the last previously unmessed version of this page. --293.xx.xxx.xx 12:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the page seems beyond repair in its current form.  I'll let you have the "honors" of reverting it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 12:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I left some suggestions at User talk:293.xx.xxx.xx. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm cleaning it up...  --SFoskett 22:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. --293.xx.xxx.xx 23:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stuff about the Malibu crash is noteworthy and should be kept (maybe just mentioned, but I'd like to see lots of detail about it somewhere, maybe in an article about Stefan Eriksson).  The forsale ad is a funny prank, not a real ad.  I think the link should stay as an example of a humorous public reaction to the crash's circumstances. Phr 23:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the content was a blatant copyright infringement from either here or Ferrari which I have removed. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 03:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: First, Please take a look a Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Second, please be more careful with your edits, it is really distorting the formatting on the page.  Third, I don't want to copyright anything. I have no idea how you got that idea.  I removed a copyright infringement.  Copying an entire section of text from Ferrari (or wherever the source was) is not encyclopedic and is a copyright infringement, even if a source is given.  See Wikipedia:Copyright.  It doesn't belong here. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 05:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What exactly is going on? 

message: Some of the language in this article is too casual. For instance, sections like "a current-generation 350 hp V8 Corvette can best this figure nowadays, at a cost of only about 40 grand" and "the Porsche 959 held that title back in 1987" are far too informal for an encyclopedia. Rtcpenguin 22:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I've added the tag, because I think portions of this article might be bias and may also have text that might've been taken from a bias source (copyright violation also?) --293.xx.xxx.xx 00:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neutral point of view tag 

message: The word "plug" is not universally understood to mean advertise.
It is better to use the word "advertise" rather than "plug."
86.142.196.16 23:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Mason's book 

message: Why not move the Owners section to List of Ferrari Enzo owners to avoid redundancy? Shawnc 01:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Ferrari Enzo owners 

message: I think the Porsche Carrera GT awesome. It might not be as fast, but it's cooler. You can spill out how wrong you think I am. I don't mind. -Ez5698 P.S.:The Enzo is UGLY!
Yo, like, if you think the Enzo is ugly, you need professional help, dude.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.155.53.66 (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What's better than this car

message: Enzo Ferrari(car), or something similar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scott 110 (talk • contribs) .
:There was already a long discussion about this. Look towards the top of the page for the rationale. f(x)=ax2+bx+c 07:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My fault, i checked the name at ferrariworld.com. Enzo Ferrari (car) is okay. --84.177.105.146 17:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It makes no sense for this article to be titled Enzo Ferrari.  Every other car article lists make first, then model.  For consistency the title should be Ferrari Enzo with Enzo Ferrari (car) redirecting to it.  swaq 18:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely every other car article lists the name of the car, whatever that is, rather than making something up for consistency? So Enzo Ferrari is correct. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 19:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But Enzo Ferrari is the son of Mr. Ferrari. Enzo Ferrari (car) is the car you see it belongs in Enzo Ferrari (car) Androo123 (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umm... why not call this article....

message: It appears to be a measure of engine output, but I can't find what it is on Wikipedia, and it isn't used in many other articles. An explanation would be helpful. --SodiumBenzoate 02:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS 

message: There is a mention of three mules in testing rebodied as 348s.  Is there a source for this.
http://www.supercars.net/cars/3171.html Gives some detail about the car + engine. AppleRobin 10:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mule mention 

message: There are 400 Production Enzos, not 399. 399 Were sold to the public and one built for the Pope. Thats 400. As far as I know there are no more. (Not including test mules and other such cars.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AppleRobin (talk • contribs) 09:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A Ferrari built for the pope. Imagine the pope driving an Enzo! Androo123 (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  400 Produced 

message: Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.
Thanks
Richard
:There is a policy on external links (External links). Unfortunately I don't think your site has anything that others don't. For example the official Ferrari site on the Enzo could be included, and possibly a review (where the reviewer drove and commented on the car), but I don't think your site would be any more appropriate than say, supercars.net or ultimatecarpage.com which also shouldn't be included. It's a  well organised site you have though and it can be used as a reference. James086Talk 23:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link 

message: I know this is Wikipedia and not robb report, motor trend, or any car specific magazine. I can see the value to not having an owners list dominate the page (I personally prefer them, even if behind a link) but nevertheless I agree with the decision. However, there is a much rarer club than owners of Enzos: those who ownED Enzos, and subsequently had them wrecked. Apparently, there are a lot of Enzos that have been wrecked, more than most other extreme exotics. There are a ton of examples, I have not takent the time to tabulate yet, but at least five crashes I know of, here's links to a couple. I thought that this is noteworthy as it is Enzo specific info that is not anywhere near as well reported or as common with other cars. Thanks! 
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ferrari22feb22,0,1233660.story
http://www.leftlanenews.com/another-ferrari-enzo-destroyed-in-high-speed-crash.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/25/another-enzo-crash-and-this-ones-fatal/
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/26/say-it-aint-seoul-another-enzo-meets-its-maker/
(That's one percent of all Enzos ever made. There's plenty more, though, all well documented)
Useless-Factoids 19:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's useless to have a list of destroyed Enzos. An external link may be acceptable, or the mention of the high number of destroyed Enzos. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 20:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to you its 1%, another guy said it was 2%, another said 3%, calculate how much is it really? Androo123 (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposition for destroyed Enzo owner list 

message: Stemming from Eddie Griffin's "gross negligence" from a couple days back, is it prudent to report all "noteable" accidents of the Enzo? If we allow Griffin's one, then Erickson crash on the Pacific Coast Highway from a few years back is worth mentioning. What say ye?--293.xx.xxx.xx 21:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, why isn't the Eddie Griffin crash mentioned in the article? More people saw an Enzo for the first time in that video footage than any other. --208.65.188.23 (talk) 03:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: News Accounts

message: Yes, I do believe that Erickson should be included. Whether the crash page should be a split page, with hyperlink to destroyed Enzos, and Erickson redirects to the larger story, Erickson should be mentioned with the Enzo. I say this because of how crazy the entire Enzo situation was: the "other driver", the "SLR Mclaren street race", the "glock handgun clip", the major criminal element, the fake homeland security stuff... he is certainly the most high profile enzo wrecker. So yes, Erickson should be included. I just know that  the number of destroyed Enzos is approaching 2% of all Enzos, if it has not met or surpassed that number already. Perhaps looking for other exotic car crash statistics to compare against would bolster my claim, but the Enzo is more high profile and distinctive than others. Additionally, the remaining cars gain so much value after a crash (I've heard a few hundred thousand) that from a financial perspective it is worth mentioning, as Berkshire Hathaway stock is worth mentioning for its extreme value increases. I could get around to writing the article in a couple days, with a little fact-checking/vetting help from the rest of you. I just know that Wikipedia works a lot more like the U.N. than the U.S.-- it's about building coalition support, then making a move unilaterally (I hate edit wars, and insurgencies for that matter.)
Thanks,
Useless-Factoids 19:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enzo Accidents 

message: I had heard rumors when the waiting list came out to purchase one of these cars, Ferrari
would not even put you on the list unless you previously owned the F40 and F50 from Ferrari.
It would seem to make sense meaning Ferrari only wanted real, proven Ferrari die-hards to be
on the list due to limited quantities thus keeping away the "elite" class of people who would
have put spinners and curb feelers on it.  Is there anywhere to validate this claim/rumor?
I figured it would add an element of what it really takes to own one of these beasties.
NEVER MIND IM AN IDIOT
The company sent invitations to existing customers, specifically, those who had previously bought the Ferrari F40 and Ferrari F50
: I think it’s a sad state of affairs when a company like Ferrari starts thinking they’re some kind of treehouse club like this. — NRen2k5, 19:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thats why that man who test drives Ferrai's and other exotic cars had trouble getting the Enzo, man the Enzo is one beauty. I think they 'invited' people who had cars from Ferrari because those who had these cars, took more care of them. Also because they wanted money (they want to sell the F40, and F50). Androo123 (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ownership/waiting list to purchase 

message: I created an external link to the Enzo crash section of WreckedExotics and someone keeps removing it saying it doesn't pertain to the guidelines.  I believe this link complies with guidelines since it pertains to the Enzo and links to a topic that is of interest to a lot of Enzo enthusiasts, is original, and is not included in the original article.  Can someone tell me why this link does not comply with guidelines?
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.126.194 (talk) 09:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that there is anything wrong with the link you provided, but there are already enough links on this page. Zach4636 (talk) 20:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It is a rather depressing link, but I guess that we can have it in anyway :-). Zach4636 (talk) 00:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't really important, but I remember going to a buffet at a hotel, and on the way back we saw traffic on the other side of the road, the road was blocked by ambulances and cops. It was a Testarosso on the side of a road, and in the middle was a 'truck' (not a SUV, not a van, not a 4X4), that was flipped on it's back and the air-bags were covering the windows. What probably happened was the Ferrari was driving like a maniac, and cut the driver, the drived eigther got nicked or stopped and lost control and flipped. Androo123 (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link question 

message: Missing:
* peak hp (at which rpm)
* peak torque (at which rpm)
* weight
* power to weight ratio (both in kg/hp and hp/ton, since EU guyes prefer the first way and US/UK guys prefer the second)
And in general, it would be very nice to have the torque/hp curves wrt rpm. In SI units, please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.8.162.64 (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of information at the beginning of the page 

message: I think some clarification is necessary on the heritage of the V12 in the Enzo.  On the article Ferrari Dino engine, it is claimed that the Enzo V12 is of the Dino series and is not derived from the newer Ferrari/Maserati V8.  This article claims that the engine is new and it is derived from the Ferrari/Maserati V8.  So which is it to be, and what is the source of the confusion?  Thanks. Chaparral2J (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradictory engine information

message: The owners list should not be removed, this is a rare car, and it is of very big interest to many. That's the idea of wiki. To get as much info into the articles as possible. - Jonas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.255.146.235 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 18 November 2008
:For the most part that list was trivia. A lot of the names were red links and gave no indication of notability. The idea of Wikipedia is not "To get as much info into the articles as possible." but to get encyclopedic information into articles. However, other wikis may have different ideas. Also if you look up the page you can see that the consensus was to remove the list of owners. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what its worth, Portland, Oregon car dealer mogul Ron Tonkin owns one. I've seen it. --208.65.188.23 (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Owners list again

message: Specs of FXX Evoluzione and Millechili
FXX Evoluzione
Wheelbase: 108-109in
Length: 195-200in
Top speed: 233-240mph
Engine: 6.2L V12
Curb weight: ~2450lbs
Millechili
Wheelbase: 104.3in
Length: 182in
Top speed: 205mph
Engine: 4.7L V10
Curb weight: ~2200lbs
Nagara373 (talk) 09:50, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FXX Evoluzione and Millechili 

message: The car is not called "Enzo Ferrari", it's called the Ferrari Enzo. It said that specifically on Ferrari's website in '05 and '06. No other reliable source states the car as "Enzo Ferrari", the make is first, followed by the model.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swingcar (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. That being true, the page should be moved. (It should've been long ago, evidently...)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  11:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ferrari Enzo

message: Virtually every stat in this article, from engine power to 0-60 time and top speed, is extremely incorrect.
The engine doesn't produce 1500+ HP, PS or SAE.
The Enzo doesn't do 0-60 in <2seconds.
And it certainly doesn't do 280mph.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.230.159 (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance and engine figures 

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message: Top speed (186 mph) in the first paragraph is a statistic and will be better supported with a source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdong15 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: Why is this article called Enzo Ferrari (automobile) ? Its complete moniker according to Ferrari is "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari", Enzo Ferrari being the model name specifically. Calling the article "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" would be both objectively accurate and would clear up any confusion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.248.147.145 (talk) 01:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ferrari refer to the car themselves as either the "Enzo" or the "Enzo Ferrari" - to call it the "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" is in no way clearing up any confusion.  What confusion is there in the first place? Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The page's name is "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari (2002)". In all their articles about the past cars they refer to them as either their model name or their nickname in the article, the Ferrari Californias being the exceptions. It's not so that this car specifically has to be called only by its model name "Enzo Ferrari", just that on Ferrari's page there is frankly Ferrari written everywhere already. As for the confusion part, using the full name of the car would mean that there is no need to specify that this article is about the car Enzo Ferrari (and not the man). 90.36.154.194 (talk) 19:08, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be the page name, but as you point out - they refer to them as either their model name or their nickname in the article, ain't no reason we should do different - and I think the opening sentence of "The Enzo Ferrari is a 12 cylinder mid-engine berlinetta sports car named after the company's founder, Enzo Ferrari" and the picture of a big red sports car would also make it clear that this article is about the car, not the man? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If Ferrari named their page about the Enzo "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" on their own Ferrari website (where you already know it's a Ferrari), there is no reason why this page shouldn't be named "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" as well. Because then if you refer to their article you might as well delete the Ferrari name from every other Ferrari's article. And again, no point in calling the page "Enzo Ferrari (automobile)" while no precision should've been made in the first place since the car's complete name differentiates it from Enzo Ferrari. You don't necessarily have to write the full name each time in the article, but at least in the title. 90.36.162.71 (talk) 20:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason the article isn't called Ferrari Enzo Ferrari is for the same reason the LaFerrari article omits the manufacturer - to prefix it with "Ferrari" would be ridiculous.  That's what it boils down to.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference is that while "LaFerrari" in English only refers to that particular car, Enzo Ferrari is associated to the man himself. So you end up dropping the make to then add a clarification in the title ? That's even more ridiculous to me, as it confuses people that know it as the "Ferrari Enzo", isn't the complete name and is even longer than what it should've been in the first place.90.36.162.71 (talk) 21:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

text: But the vast majority of the public knows it as the Ferrari Enzo, not the Enzo Ferrari. So it's neither right nor popular. Also the German, French and Italian pages of the car do use the full name as the title so it can't be against the rules surely. Wether it's ridiculous or not is out of the question, it's literally the car's name. The Skoda Rapid is rather slow, but it's its name.90.36.162.71 (talk) 01:46, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferrari Enzo Ferrari 

message: Vinwiki has found over 400 Enzos perhaps it could be added to the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.64.125.57 (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no proof that any expert provided the VINs, picture of a car can be added from the internet and does not have to correspont to that particular vehicle at all. VIN can by added by anybody and can be incorrectly inserted or faked. Even so not every car has a picture, not t mention no VIN plate pictures at all. Search function shows only 40-something caars. This edit is reverted. YBSOne (talk) 15:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: VINwiki is not an expert generated content but an user generated one. VINwiki "cannot guarantee the accuracy of all of the content on VINwiki", their quote. This is not a reliable source. YBSOne (talk) 16:01, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  More then 400 built 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved. Supports outnumber opposes, by 4 to 2, and the oppose sides don't really counter the evidenced points made by the nominator.   — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Enzo Ferrari (automobile) →  – There are several reasons to change the title of this article, including but not limited to:
*Natural disambiguation and conciseness - The current name needs to be disambiguated from the article on the founder of the company, the proposed one does not.
*Commonly used - The proposed title is widely used by English-language sources, such as Evo, Motortrend, Top Gear, Car and Driver, and Autocar.
*Consistency - Few (if any) other cars have the name of the marque after the model name. Most either have the model name after the name of the marque (eg. Ford Sierra, Lada Riva, or Ferrari F40) or exclude the name of marque (eg. Mini, Range Rover, or LaFerrari). Since the name of the marque is neither ambiguous or redundant in this case, it would be better for this to fall into the former category.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please explain how that relates to English Wikipedia policies on article titles? HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 August 2021 

message: Decode any Ferrari Enzo VIN number and you will see that the car is registered as "Make: Ferrari" and "Model: Enzo". Therefore, the car is the Ferrari Enzo (Make being Ferrari and Model being Enzo), not Ferrari Enzo Ferrari as some have suggested and not Enzo Ferrari either as there is no automotive make or brand by the name of Enzo. Only the man is Enzo Ferrari. The car is Ferrari Enzo. In light of this fact, all references to the car should be as Ferrari Enzo. 108.6.237.202 (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferrari Enzo