Talk:Brazil/Archive 2

message: Missing Community:
cynthia-machado.eu Germany - Brazil Community
Please peaple and friend´s, its necessary the indication on external links,, the website Brazil Tourism in http://www.brasilturismo.com
Please, this link helped to "Rede Brasileira de Turismo"yer man do u think im joking ocofr u dimii x
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biofebg (talk • contribs) 02:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Semiprotection lifted. You are free to edit the page now. Sandstein 20:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I'd like to suggest that we adopted UK spelling in the main article. This standard is used throughout most of the English speaking world, with the lone exception of the US. It is also used by internationl organisations, including the UN.--200.103.134.164 14:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's biased. Even if you look at most country articles American spelling is used, your not going to force every single country article that doesn't have english as a language to use UK spellings, are you? And 67.2% of the English speakers in the world are American, and I can't possibly biased because I'm Canadian (well i can be 8-) ). Sum1else 15:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: 1. The U.K. spelling is not used in most international organizations. 2. Far more importantly: what matters is the guidelines that Wikipedia has adopted. These guidelines are crystal clear on matters like these: the article should be left as it is. --Justice for All 02:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling Standard

message: It seems that some users do not agree with the addition of the picture of Rocinha Favela. In my opinion this is a must, as this is an article about Brazil that ought to be exposing the poverty in the country as well, as it is definetly not a land full of Itaim Bibi's and wealthy districts. Readers of this article should see some of our poverty, in order to really know what is really going on in this country. That is just something that we cannot hide, we cannot close our eyes to reality.
I would like to remember that economically, Rocinha may be poor; it's additions to our culture however were always very important. As a Brazilian I am not ashamed of this picture and I really don't think that it depreciate our country. In honour to poor Brazilians, I shall be adding this picture everytime it gets deleted. Cheers, Cheiro de lysoform 01:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't see why the picture of a slum should be deleted. Wikipedia's not a Travel Agency, Its an encyclopedia. Repeat after me: E-N-C-Y-C-L-O-P-E-D-I-A. Rafael "Banzai" 04:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with all comments. The picture should stay --Pinnecco 09:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Favela picture 

message: There is a factual error: Lithuanians are listed as Slavs which they are NOT. Let's keep the facts straight in order not to undermine Wiki's reliability. - 81.151.193.118 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected! José San Martin 00:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuanians 

message: Hello, I was doing some research on the Japanese people. In the section "Japanese Living Abroad" on that page, it states "The number of Japanese citizens living abroad is estimated to be over 1 million persons, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan. By country, the highest number, were living in the United States, followed by People's Republic of China. The number of person who reside in Brazil was the third largest and that of United Kingdom came fourth." 
When I came upon this page and looked in the section Demographics, it stated " ...and Japanese-Brazilians are the largest Japanese population outside of Japan (1.5 million)."
Which is the true fact? Thanks.
--PinkCrayon 21:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It must be checked more accurately, but I think both are correct. Probably anyone with japanese descent is included in this 1.5 million, while only born Japaneses are included in that 1 million. José San Martin 22:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is important to mentionate the Korean descendants in Brazil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.26.60.28 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with José San Martin. "Nikkei", as they're called in Brazil, are japanese descedant people and are counted among this 1.5 million. Dargor msg 17:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting Facts about Japanese Population. 

message: This article has a few references, but i'm afraid not enough to make an article of this scope count as "well-referenced". The CIA factbook alone probably doesn't cover most of this article, and even if it does, relying on a single broad references to cover most of the article isn't very reliable. Also, nobody seems to of even reviewed this article in the first place, so that looks suspicious as well. Improve the number of references, and then try to re-nominate this article for Good Article status. Homestarmy 14:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delisted GA

message: However beautiful the southern Brazilian girls on this article, i think they give a very poor representation of the population of Brazil. There are only two pictures of Brazilian population: one of Olodum players and the other one of the girls. Besides the fact that even in the south such blonde people are not predominant, they're dressed with typical European costumes. Those people are immigrants that kept their culture, and are very small minority of the population. That is similar to choosing two pictures from the American population, one representing a Wasp, the other an Amish community. Furthermore, there is also a picture of a German style house. The influence of non-Portuguese Europe is surely present in Brazil, but is not that important. --Ezadarque 22:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please return with the favela and police incursion pictures as well. This is not a travel guide, this is an article about Brazil, so it should be as genuine as it can be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.228.96 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unrepresentative picture

message: I heard that brazil decalred national bankruptcy long time ago after ww2.  I don't know if there is any truth to that but it would be nice to know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.138.142 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: several times(2 or three), but honred its payment later. Just need someone to translate what is actually in portuguese under the economics topic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.164.85.254 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "bankruptcy" is not a proper term for a country. I believe you mean "default"--Ezadarque 15:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bankruptcy 

message: Due to regionalism, the picture of South was removed. We shouldn't use this page thinking in a regional way. Brazil is much bigger than the south, and we should try to represent the country as a whole.
--208.24.179.29 18:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture removed

message: From the main page:
"In order to avoid a civil war between Army and Navy, Pedro II renounced the throne on 15 November 1889".
This is quite different from what Brazilian schoolbooks register, and there are no mentions here or in the "History of Brazil" page about a civil war threat or a voluntary abdication. Can anyone provide a source for this? 201.52.26.10 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proclamation of Republic 

message: I do not think it is not necessary, or encyclopedic to say in the poverty section "Despite being a large country with extensive resources and a huge economy,". I think it is more than enough to say "Brazil currently has more than 22 million people living in state of extreme poverty"
Chico 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Information Out of Place

message: Is there an article about the aviation crisis in Brazil? Thanks
:You should look in WikiNEWS since I doubt this is a encyclopedia subject. Alvaroludolf 19:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aviation Crisis 

message: Bolsa Família is a part of the Fome Zero program, we should not cite them close to each other without citing the relationship between them.
Chico 17:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bolsa Família

message: These links:
* Doing Business in Brazil — The World Bank Group's guide to doing business in Brazil
* Starting a Business in Brazil
* Enterprise Surveys: Brazil
* Privatization Database: Brazil
* Infrastructure Projects: Brazil
Were added by accounts whose only edits appear to have been to promote World Bank websites.  One of the accounts is an IP address registered to the World Bank Group. (Note: doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the organization.  Personally I think all five links is an over representation in the article.
Note this was also added by one of the same accounts and should be considered by regular editors too.  -- Siobhan Hansa 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Bank Group external links 

message: The negative twist at the end of the following sentence does not appear to be supported by the referenced article.
"The government of Brazil is attempting a switch to free software and operating systems in place of proprietary software with little success so far."
Is there information available on adoption rates / real or percieved barriers / etc that can be referenced to support this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.48.104 (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible unsupported commentary 

message: I fixed the Religion subject with the official data (reference provided in portuguese from official bureau) and put some order and standardization on it. Alvaroludolf 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The IBGE has no data as on what kind of "spiritism" is practised, the census merely takes note of the denomination the "recensee" gives out, and in those numbers are certainly included other traditions other than the Kardequian. 
As Wikipedia points out in spiritism:
The term was coined by Kardec as the specific name of the doctrine but -- given the fact that the word was created from roots taken from the common language -- it was soon incorporated into normal use and used for other doctrines as well, though the original Spiritists protest this usage.
Thus, it is inappropriate to point out in [Brazil#Religion] that 1.3% are followers of Spiritism, based on the Allan Kardec's doctrine (about 2.2 million). since there are an unknown number of other religious practices bundled within 'spiritism', about which IBGE's census has no data.
Someone fix that please.--200.163.203.53 17:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We must rely on verifiable sources for wikipedia and, while I agree that there are other forms and doctrines of Spiritism, there are no good source about it that I am aware of, if you have any, please point out. Also we must remember that the Brazilian Census is based on the declared position of someone and it avoid practices like people that follow two or more religions, a common practice in Brazil. So the data on Spiritism should remain as stated until we have another source of information with a different approach to the question. Alvaroludolf 12:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritism 

message: Ok, can we lock this topic again? We had more than 5 acts of vandalism just today. I don't think it is safe to say that the vandalism is gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alvaroludolf (talk • contribs) 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Someone will adds reference about Xylella fastidiosa Genome Project and  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ricardo Carneiro Pires (talk • contribs) 21:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Science and technology 

message: The second paragraph would be more accurate with the expressions Melting Pot or Cultural and Racial Pluralism.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.70.171 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 3 March 2007
The capital of Brazil is not Sao Paulo,  as the   article states.  It is Brasililia.
: I think Brasililia would not quite be the name we are looking for, I think you meant Brasília. Cheiro de lysoform 10:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melting Pot 

message: We do not make computers! US and Japan do make CPUS, electronic chips, etc. We do not, although a few small companies assemble computers. In science and technology, we are strong in agriculture and biology (Thanks to Embrapa, Butantan Institute, etc), manufacturing of small/medium airplanes (Embraer), Mathematics (IMPA). All the rest can be described as pure ufanism and wish to be thoughts. RobertomalanciniRoberto
:You can edit the article to make it more accurate if you would like. Make sure to source your assertions.--Kungfu Adam (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good things in Brazil

message: Economy section:
1.Include the fact that the CIA World facts and the UN states that Brazil is highly indebted. This will show a more true picture of the country
2. It can be added that our reserves have reached 100 billion dollars
3. Remove the phrase that we are major producers of electrical products.
Science and Technology.
1. Add that the Brazilian software is mostly used for internal usage. Instead of claiming that we possess one of the most advanced information technology in the world (VERY ARROGANT), say that we have an advanced software technology with great potential to be a major player in this area in the future.
2. Cite IMPA, Embrapa, Butantan centre, etc. as centres of excellence in research.
3. Brazilian academic science and technology has not yet been fully applied to industry, a problem that the country needs to overcome in the future. We are a mid-income country in search of development.
4. You may argue that we have an advanced software technology, we are major players in agriculture and mining and we manufacture small/medium airplanes. 
Is it so annoying to tell the truth? Is this an article for touristic purposes?
RobertomalanciniRoberto
Will you include the american debt too? *sigh* But yeah... go ahead and change, I see an improvement here. Alvaroludolf 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of proposed changes 

message: I believe we should mention the many scandals that plague the Brazilian Congress in the politics section. In Brazil, they are so frequent they are almost folkloric. Of course there’s no need to go into much detail in this general article, but maybe a short paragraph mentioning some of the main incidents (impeachment, “dwarves”, Mensalão, etc) with links to more specific articles? I believe that would give readers a better idea of the Brazilian reality. Currently the politics section is too limited. It only presents formal rules from the Brazilian Constitution.
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  The US section on government does not refer to William J. Jefferson, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, etc...  It merely discusses the political system and foreign relations of the US.  Are there other options to explore? Yes.  Is there room for expansion? Certainly.  But political scandals should be left to Politics of Brazil and its companion pages. --(Ptah, the El Daoud 20:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: I was wondering what other users think about the creation and inclusion of sections on “Health”, “Education” and the “Military”? Seems like pretty basic stuff to me, therefore I favor its insertion in the article. Also, in case we decide to include these topics, how should the sections be organized?
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Health and Education would fit comfortably in the Demography section.  And I would have no qualms with a stand alone Military section.  --(Ptah, the El Daoud 20:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sections 

message: Searching for the word 'violence' on the article, there are no ocurrences of it. On the tiny section about social problems, violence is also not cited. Why there is nothing about violence on the article of the 3rd most violent country in the world? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.72.61.133 (talk) 00:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one sentence in the "Social issues" section, "Violence is also a part of life in Brazil. Muggings, robberies and kidnaps are quite common, being considered even as normal by many Brazilians." This sentence could easily be expanded and even shaped into a "Social issues" sub-section.  --(Ptah, the El Daoud 20:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No violence? 

message: A good article, cited, good prose and satisfies all WP:WIAGA. Congratulations. However, there are several suggestions on how to improve this article:
# Expand more to get a comprehensive article.
# Standardize citations. Take a look at WP:CITET for some examples if you use footnotes.
# Please be selective on external links to avoid spam external links. It also applies for referencing to commercial sites and non-academic resources. Please also read WP:RS.
Good work and congratulaions to all who contributed.Limongi 14:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Passed GA

message: This item has been listed for review. Feel free to comment. -凶 14:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GA/R|Good Article Review]]

message: This article has way too many images.--Ezadarque 11:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many images

message: The article Brazil was removed from the Good Article List due to a major problem of Conflict of Interests, because the user who reviewed the article, Limongi, is a member of the Wikiproject Brazil. Also, the article doesn't meet the needed requirements to qualify as a good article. Please visit the following link to see the comments and suggestions left by other editors to improve this article: Wikipedia:Good_article_review. AlexCovarrubias  ( Talk? ) 03:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I don't see it listed anywhere in the WP:COI that a native of a country may not review an article of his/her country. Otherwise americans would'nt be able to review their articles. Second of all, I trully believe that this article meets ALL the criteria for good article statua, as listed by Wikipedia. Therefore, I'm re-submitting the article as a good article candidate!. Thanks. Limongi 20:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen, I was the one that nominated it for review. The issues with the article fall far beyond WP:COI, the page is huge and it only has 14 references, I believe that is the definition of undereferenced; another issue is the over use of images, we all know that South America including Brazil is full of natural and cultural wonders but at least half of them have to go. -凶 01:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree with you. He's ignoring all the problems we suggest to be solved. Instead of solving them, he just chose to renominate the article. It has few chanced to pass if the problems are not fixed. AlexCovarrubias  ( Talk? ) 01:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Fine, re-submit the article, it is your right to do it. However, what you think is not important here. Several other users have pointed out the problems with the article, and I was not aware that it was previoulsy part of the Good Article in 2006, and oh my God, it was delisted as it was delisted this time. I think you should read the requirements of a Good Article. The most important of all: sources. AlexCovarrubias  ( Talk? ) 00:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article removed from Good Article List 

message: http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=199&gclid=COOVgPaLiowCFRtxYAodOTlV7Q
While as much as 74% of the population of Brazil may be nominally Roman Catholic, the trend since 1950, has been toward protestantism in Brazil, as in all Latin American Countries.12.72.205.220 00:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  error in religious stats 

message: No substantive fixes have been done to this article to make it comply with the good article criteria located at WP:WIAGA.  A long list of fixes have been listed above, and no action has been taken on them.  PLEASE stop renominating it at WP:GAC until the fixes have been made.  It is a waste of time and resources to continue to do so.  If this article continues to be renominated, mediation will be sought per WP:POINT.  Please stop now. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Failed the page once again, while it has improved it still lacks enought references and it still has some of the problems listed above among them it's still over illustrated. -凶 23:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Failed: Stop nominating this article until fixes are made.

message: Official Brazilian Anglican website
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/province.cfm?ID=B1
Official Brazilian Presbyterian website 
http://www.apib.org/history.htm
Official Mormons in Latin America website
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d10511154963d010VgnVCM1 000004e94610aRCRD
Argentina 348,396 Belize 3,079 Bolivia 148,630 Brazil 928,926 Chile 539,193 Colombia 149,973 Costa Rica 34,036 Ecuador 170,736 El Salvador 93,246 Guatemala 200,537 Guyana 1,845 Honduras 116,416 Mexico 1,043,718 Nicaragua 52,184 Panama 40,897 Paraguay 61,308 Peru 416,060 Uruguay 96,943 Venezuela 134,597
TOTAL 4,580,720 (36% of Total LDS Church Membership) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.208.136 (talk) 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Data from the churches themselves is the very definition of unreliable. We have been through this before. Macgreco 04:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  religion