Talk:Chelsea F.C./Archive 1

message: :Presumably yes, since the club website has announced it as the official emblem from May 2005 -- that's one of the bad things about clubs celebrating a centenary, they seem to feel an irresistable urge to go back 50 years for the club's emblem! -- Arwel 20:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Will the new emblem appear on the 2005/2006 shirts of Chelsea?

message: I read that Lampard has made the record in longest successive appearance in nearly 3 years (The man with no lungs) and has to end it recently because of a flu. Should this be added? Thanks. Tac ke 15:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe that's more of an individual achievment than one for the club. Not sure where it would go in this article. In any case, it's mentioned in the Frank Lampard article. SteveO 16:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Records

message: I think that this article could improve by adding information about the John Obi Mikel case that has been going on for more than 9 months now. Both in this article, and in the Manchester United article. Although the dispute is far from finished, that shouldn't be any reason for us not too include information about the case. I think it is of interest. Does anyone have any comments to this? NuclearFunk 21:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As Chelsea have already stated (a lot of times, too), the so-called "saga" has NOTHING to do with them. It's between Lyn, MU and FIFA. Yes, Chelsea want the player (who doesn't?), but there's have not been involved officialy (no offers etc.). If the kid said he wants to play for Chelsea, that's his problem, not Chelsea's. It's an encyclopedia after all, give it a break. Only facts deserve to be in this article, not speculations. Lars 07:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The John Obi Mikel Saga 

message: why is it black? isnt it supposed to be blue?
:Whether it was accidental or vandalism, I've reverted it now. I've also restored some other parts of the article that had been lost recently. SteveO, 17:29, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work on the clean-up Steve0! --Siva1979Talk to me 21:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  chelsea home kit 

message: The article is now 45kb and should 
probably be broken up. Perhaps a History of Chelsea F.C. page? SteveO 00:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on Klingon language is over 75Kb. Considering Chelsea FC is a non fictional entity I don't see the problem. RichChestmat 13:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is too long (part 2)

message: I've moved the history to a separate History of Chelsea F.C., since this article was becoming too long. SteveO 18:53, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History Moved

message: The article talks about four crests, but only shows three together under "Crests". I know the new one is at the top of the page but it would be nice to have it repeated in the "Crests" section to avoid having to scroll back up again when reading the text. Bazza 14:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crest 

message: There is now a Mickey Thomas (football) page, so feel free to add him to your former players.Wayneamlwch 18:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey Thomas 

message: Just my opinion but the bold names ont the player looks awful.
Jimmmmmmmmm 21:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squad list 

message: Could we leave the fees as undisclosed until they have been confirmed by Chelsea and the other club? Estimates even from reliable sources vary. BBC says £30million for Sheva, whereas the Gazetta Dell Sport (sp.) says around £40million. So best to leave it as undisclosed I feel.Hardrada 10:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. But maybe add a note explaining the unclear fee. SteveO 10:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer Fees

message: Is that true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.6.179.40 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballack: No. 42 

message: It fails on point 5 of the GA criteria list, it is not stable at the moment, bring it back to nomination once it is stable. Lincher 14:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have re-nominated it as per Lincher's advice on Disputes page. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GA promoted. Lincher 01:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA 
failed


message: For the anonymous editor who added a detailed account of Chelsea's recent rivalry with FC Barcelona, I've removed the piece and added a footnote. This article is meant to be an overview  of the club in general but has a tendency to become a long, long narrative of Chelsea's recent history. There are sub-articles where more details can be added. I'm happy to discuss, though. SteveO 15:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rivalries

message: Does anyone have a problem with me adding my non commercial Chelsea fan site to this page. It has useful links and bits on history etc.
I have already been warned not to add my site as this is not a place for external links, even though all the links on the front page for Chelsea are of a commercial nature. My website id theleftback.co.uk if you want to check.
Thanks
 Valky78 21:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for using the talk page first. If you have not already done so, you may wish to read the advice given by the guidelines Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Spam. There are countless fansites in existence, and while a link to one major fansite or a directory of fansites may be appropriate, if links to all fansites were included the links would take up half the article. Theleftback does not look to have primacy among Chelsea fansites (I note the forum has just 6 members) and does not look to provide a unique resource of information unavailable elsewhere (such as extensive historical or statistical resources). Oldelpaso 18:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Unnofficial Chelsea fan sites

message: I'm aware that Ballack has a preference for the no. 13 shirt, but the OFCW still lists Gallas as wearing it while Ballack, according to this, hasn't yet had his number confirmed. For the various users who keep reversing the two, it would be nice if some reliable sources were added. Thanks. SteveO 18:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just seen a Sky Sports piece about Ballack settling in at Chelsea and one of the pieces of footage shows Ballack holding his new shirt. It definitly had '13' on it. It looks like Gallas is either leaving now, or will be getting another number. Gran2 08:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Squad numbers

message: I went ahead and changed the away kit, as it was released today.--Pinkfloyd123 20:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New kits

message: We should probably have consensus on whether to use "whiteshoulders" or "whitelines" on the arms for the home kit, since this is going back and forth. IMO the stripes look better since they are more accurate to the adidas stripes than a bold white block. There is precedent for either. The Liverpool FC page uses stripes whilst Real Madrid uses shoulders, both are replications of adidas kits. Also if we are going to use shoulders it should be for both home and away and the same is true of stripes. On a tangent we should defo keep the grey stripes on the away kit 'cos they are certainly noticeable IMO. Hardrada 16:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shoulders

message: You have to do something about Nuno Morais and Jimmy Smith,because they are not in the official team and there are some people that insist to put them in the squad,even if they are not in the official Chelsea FC website.--Tiago Heitor 13:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's standard wikipedia practice to include margianal squad players in the team lists, see Manchester United FC or Arsenal FC for example. Given that these 2 will likely make the 16 man (PL) or 18 man (CL) squad at some points during the season, they should be included. Smith went on the USA tour with the 1st team squad also. Arguably (if anything) Mancienne should be added as well. Hardrada 15:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nuno Morais and Jimmy Smith are not in the team! 

message: Some criteria should be established for this section. In recent days, the likes of Chris Sutton, Alexey Smertin and Mateja Kezman have all been added to the list, though none was at the club for very long or had a particularly significant impact, thus they aren't notable enough, in my opinion. The section is only meant to be a summary, and five or six players from each decade should suffice. SteveO 11:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree totally. The problem is each of use will have different ideas as for which players are notable enough. It should, however, be fairly obvious that Sam Dalla Bona does not deserve a mention. What about George Weah? He is very famous, but never really had a huge impact at Chelsea (despite playing in the cup final...). Hardrada 12:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it should be based on number of games played (maybe 100+) and length of time spent at the club, which should narrow it down. For those who don't fit that criteria, but did something significant, they could be classed as "otherwise notable" (ie the likes of William Foulke and Nils Middelboe would fall into that category). As for Weah, can someone who made only 15 appearances really be a notable Chelsea player? Then again, he did score the winner against Spurs... SteveO 14:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable former players

message: Note: This article has a very small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and currently would not pass criteria 2b.
Members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles are in the process of doing a re-review of current Good Article listings to ensure compliance with the standards of the Good Article Criteria. (Discussion of the changes and re-review can be found here). A significant change to the GA criteria is the mandatory use of some sort of in-line citation (In accordance to WP:CITE) to be used in order for an article to pass the verification and reference criteria. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project talk page or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Wikipedia project. Agne 21:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a few citations and the article seems fairly well referenced now. Is there anything specific you feel ought to be cited? SteveO 11:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: Should we include some missing members on the Management Team?
:* Mick McGiven (First Team Coach)
:* Ruud Kaiser (Youth Team Coach)
Verifiable Source
I cannot find any information on which country they are from.
Joelee.org 22:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is McGiven ex-West Ham defender? Then he is an english player reference -> West_Ham_United_F.C._1975-1976 and there is Dutch U-17 coach by name Ruud Kaiser he seems to fit the profile of youth team coach.[World championship]. Tirupraveen 12:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Kaiser is a Dutchman, I have seen this referenced many times. These two should defo be included in the article staff list. Hardrada 17:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Confirming that Kaiser is dutch. He is featured extensively on the Sky One TV program Football Icon 2 as the youth team coach for Chelsea FC RichChestmat 12:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Member on Management Team

message: Any thoughts on removing this section altogether and incorporating anything useful into the main article here or History of Chelsea F.C.? SteveO 11:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Someone can include that Chelsea F.C. makes an appearance in Anthony Horowitz's book, Ark Angel. It's just a suggestion as the team's appearance in the game is a major part of the story. 70.107.24.245 05:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. SteveO 14:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: In Chelsea F.C., is there a man called Roman Abramovich?  And is his title in the team? --AACCAA 3-2 18:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you consider reading the article on Roman Abramovich? For your information, he is a Russian oil tycoon, and he bought the team in 2003. He is therefore owner of the club, not a player or manager. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Roman Abramovich?  

message: Should it mention the affinity between Chelsea and Rangers fans?
I think so, yes. --Mully82 13:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point, but such an affinity would probably be difficult to source. Unlike Liverpool and Celtic, Chelsea and Rangers have never (to my knowledge) played a competitive match, so the issue will have had only limited converage in the media. SteveO 11:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chelsea & Rangers

message: Perhaps it should be noted in the article, in the supporters section, about their tendency towards sending death threats to referees ( http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1717081,00.html ). Also a mention of the Chelsea Headhunters group is notable. Peoplesunionpro 16:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Headhunters should get a mention. As for the "tendency towards sending death threats", Chelsea fans are by no means the only ones to be accused of such things, and there is no mention of similar cases for other clubs (ie threats to David Elleray from alleged Man Utd fans after he sent off Roy Keane or threats to Steven Gerrard when it seemed he would leave Liverpool), so I don't see why this article should be the exception. SteveO 21:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It should also be noted that it death threats are not necessarily representative of the club. Sent threats may not be sent by fans of the said club. Alistairlp 17:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I'm afraid Ashley is on the team. The squad list in the Chelsea article is correct. Ashley is in the squad. Miss kat 05:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death threats 

message: Since the title usually refers to the FIFA award, it doesn't seem appropriate to describe Gullit as a 'world player of the year' while referring to World Soccer Awards. Perhaps calling him European Footballer of the Year would be more correct. Razororz 20:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to European Footballer of the Year. SteveO 14:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gullit world player of the year?

message: Ben Sahar the Israeli youth national team player was promoted not long ago to the senior squad, why isn't he in their squad here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.134.224 (talk • contribs) 
:The club's official website has Sahar in the Academy section and not the first team SteveO 21:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why isn't Ben Sahar in the squad?

message: User:Bole2 removed the managers section, leaving just a link to the daughter article, List of Chelsea F.C. managers. I've restored it, since an article about a football club must surely have some mention of its managers. Of the featured football club articles, Arsenal F.C. has the full competitive record of their managers, and Manchester City F.C., Everton F.C. and Sheffield Wednesday F.C. have details of just their more notable managers. None has a completely blank section. SteveO 19:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Managers

message: Various users have recently been adding and re-adding a list of famous supporters to the article. Per discussions here, here and here, such information is generally regarded as unnecessary listcruft and should be avoided. SteveO 19:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous fans

message: :Chelsea were the first English side to travel by aeroplane to an away match, when they visited Newcastle United on 19 April 1957
Not absolutely true - Arsenal used to regularly play Racing Club de Paris in a friendly competition, and one of my history books recalls that in November 1938 the plane carrying the Arsenal players to Paris almost crashed as it overshot the runway, forcing the club to adopt a policy of splitting the first-team squad into two for all future flights. What the claim probably means is that Chelsea's was the first for a domestic match, which is probably fair. Qwghlm 18:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. The orginal reference (Glanvill, p. 96) states they were the first to fly to a domestic match. SteveO 19:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Away match aeroplane