Talk:Tomás Rivera

message: This is where alannaj and trowan are going to put their plan...  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a good plan.  You can of course add to it over time.  And cross things off when you've done them, including adding a big green checkmark  .  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plan 

message: *.
*Augenbraum, Harold, and Margarite Fernández Olmos, eds. The Latino Reader : An American Literary Tradition from 1542 to the Present.  Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1997. .
*Bruce-Novoa, Juan D. Chicano Authors: Inquiry by Interview. 137-161. Austin: University of Texas Press, 1980. 
:An interview with Rivera on chicano literature.
::We need to know the author's full name, and the title and page numbers for the chapter in question, plus the book's isbn number.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: Guys, it looks as though this is the only edit made by the WP:NRG group to this article over the whole of the semester so far.
This is not enough!  We need to see some progress.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 10:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'd add that these additions need to have citations to reliable sources for the information.  (See your bibliography, above!) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress? 

message: Are you sure that the source that you added here is the right one?  If so, we will need the relevant page numbers, as this is not, so far as I can see, an online text.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're talking about "Martinez and Lomeli, Chicano Literature: A Reference Guide," right?  What is the url? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  sourcing problems 

message: You may or may not want to use this reference about the film.  I've taken it out of the article for now.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  film reference 

message: As this is an edited volume, we need to be sure to be referencing the individual articles.  So it's not enough to simply put "Lattin."  It must be (say) Smith, with a reference below to Smith's essay, with its title and page numbers etc.  --03:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lattin references 

message: I've upgraded this article to C class.  There's still some ways to go, but well done on the recent progress!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrade 

message: OK, as I say, this article has really improved recently.  Well done!  Above all, you have replaced almost all of the earlier poor references with much better ones.  Excellent.
Here are my thoughts about what most obviously needs to be done:
*You might think more about the article's structure.  I just moved things around a bit, to make sure that the "Legacy" section was last, and to consolidate what you have to say about his literary career, for instance.  But I think some more could be done here.
*The "Literary career" section and the paragraph on ...y no se lo tragó la tierra could definitely be expanded.
*There are still some sources that you collected earlier that are not being used.  I'm thinking especially about the ones directly on ...y no se lo tragó la tierra, which can be used to expand and develop that section.
*You need to expand and develop the lead.
*You need to beware about repeated the rather hagiographic tone apparently adopted by many of your sources.  To take one obvious example, you right now state that "Rivera lived an extremely productive life, constantly working to better the quality of life of the people around him."  At best, you should put something along the lines that "Many of his colleagues, such as X, regarded Rivera as living..." and then provide a specific reference to this claim.
But again, this is really motoring.  Well done and keep it up!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: To do