Talk:Pretzel

message: Pretzels were first made by a monk form france in 162 A.D. he made them to look like childrens hands crossed praying and they called them little rewards.At first there were only soft pretzels the hard crispy one were made by accident a cook that was maning the stove fell asleep then they were hard and they thought they were ruinded but crispy hard pretzels were delicious now are made purposly and thats the story of pretzels begining.And the people who hate pretzels and never tried them you should try them they are delicious trust me i am not lieing so try them and think about how they were made and try making your own old time pretzel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude36 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point being? Arnoutf (talk) 08:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pretzel begining 

message: turkish simits and the related pastries in the balkans are not pretzels, simply because they don't have the distinctive shape. perhaps there is a historical relationship. if that is the case there could be a section "related pastries", of course with sources explaining this relationship. else, why not write an own article on the delicious simts and their background?Sundar1 (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i see, there already is an article on simits, b. t. w. with no mention of the pretzel. so that's settled.Sundar1 (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  turkish simit 

message: The sentence "the German holiday Die Brezel Krieg where Germans have a baking contest to see who has the best pretzels." simply seems to be - wrong and a hoax.
1) The grammar / spelling is wrong:
a) "Krieg" (war) is male in the German language. Thus, the only correct phrase would be "Der Brezelkrieg".
b) "Brezel Krieg" is a wrong spelling, because, in the German language, compositions of two words are constucted in a way that both words which are composed are amalgamated into one word: Instead of "Brezel Krieg", "Brezelkrieg" would be the only correct spelling.
2) The word "Krieg" (war) is almost never used for a competition, as it has too negative connotations.
3) "Brezelkrieg" surely is not a (public) holiday in any German state.
4) I have been living in Germany for almost 40 years and never heard of such competition.
Thus, I will delete the sentence if no reference showing that a "Die Brezel Krieg" holiday does exist will be provided within two weeks.
--92.225.37.166 (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brezelkrieg nonsense 

message: The history section contains the passage:
The wedding phrase "tying the knot" got its start when a pretzel was used to tie the knot between two prominent families.[citation needed]
This sentence doesn't even make sense. It's using a circular definition. Apart from that, I had always been under the impression that the phrase "tying the knot" as relates to marriage came from the old tradition of handfasting.
I am removing the sentence from the article. Tenmiles (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Sorry for my english, I am from Bavaria.
Really nobody here calles it "Brezen". Everywhere inclusive all bakeries it is written as "Breze" or "Brezn". This is true for Old Bavaria (I don't have a clue for Frankonia) and Svabia. (Of course, anyone will understand you, if you ask for a "Brez*", indepently what you use for "*" 83.97.72.14 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Brezen" 

message: An editor should consider entering some factual snippets about Auntie Anne's history in Pennsylvania. 
Might you  add the following to Pennsylvania Milestones:
 
1988: Anne Beiler bought a market stand in a Downingtown, Pa. farmer’s market and began selling the Original Pretzel. Today, Auntie Anne’s Pretzels is the world’s largest soft pretzel franchise with more than 1,400 pretzel stores operating around the world. 
http://www.auntieannes.com/AboutUs/CompanyHistory.aspx
http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/Anne_Beiler_030408.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_F._Beiler
Also, can you consider adding the following under the United States:
Existing: Pennsylvania today is the center of American pretzel production for both the hard crispy and the soft bread types of pretzels.[30] Southeastern Pennsylvania, with its large population of German background, is considered the birthplace of the American pretzel industry, and many pretzel bakers are still located in the area. Pennsylvania produces 80% of the nation's pretzels.[34]
New: Lancaster, Pa. is also the headquarters of Auntie Anne’s Pretzels, which turned 25 in February 2013. Auntie Anne's bakers have hand-rolled approximately 1.7 billion pretzels over the past 25 years. 
http://www.auntieannes.com/AboutUs/CompanyHistory/25-birthday.aspx
http://www.auntieannes.com/aboutus/newsroom/newsroom/13-01-24/Soft_Pretzel_Icon_Auntie_Anne_s_Turns_25_after_Banner_Company_Year.aspx
http://www.qsrmagazine.com/news/auntie-annes-twists-its-way-25th-country
Thank you.WikiWikiJG (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The company seems hardly notable enough for this article. Arnoutf (talk) 17:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you add some additional facts about Auntie Anne's starting in PA? 

message: thumb|Palmbrezel baked on Palm SundayHafspajen (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix 

message: thumb|Would you call those "pretzel croissants"?
Are pretzel bread and pretzel buns a fairly new phenomenon?
Also, this article really needs some serious copy editing to correct some of the conflicting info and verbosity. 76.173.142.15 (talk) 04:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What pretzel buns are you talking about? Hafspajen (talk) 04:34, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  For example, Wendy's had a pretzel hamburger bun for awhile and I think that Wienerschnitzel still has a pretzel hot dog bun. https://www.google.com/#q=pretzel+bun 76.173.142.15 (talk) 04:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Took me a moment to figure out what a "pretzel bun" is, because to Germans, that sounds really strange. But no, those are not new in any way, see Lye roll. Rgds •  • hugarheimur 14:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretzel bread and pretzel buns? 

message: This lengthy article somehow manages to avoid the question, other than one passing mention of yeast.  Are pretzels generally made with yeast, baking soda, or are they unleavened?  This is so basic that it seems to be assumed and never explained.  Reify-tech (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The German article says (without giving a source): "Eine Laugenbrezel besteht traditionell aus Weizenmehl (wheat flour), Malz (malt), Salz (salt), Backhefe (yeast) und Wasser (water)." Note that this refers to the big, knotted thing, not the smaller, crunchy things. Rgds ✦ hugarheimur 15:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Yeasted / Baking Soda / Unleavened? 

message: OK, continuing from my comments of nearly a decade ago and my more recent edit... I see by Hadspajen's recent work that the idea that pretzels date precisely AD 610 is, in fact, very widespread, and not just an invention of Buch and Hellemans'. Where on earth does this idea originally come from?? The earliest reference I can find so far is this one, from 1959. Can anyone do better? --Iustinus (talk) 08:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the full text of that hit. No ulterior source cited, naturally. --Iustinus (talk) 08:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  610 AD 

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message: In the opener, literally the last line:
:"Worldwide pretzels worth a billion dollars are sold annually."
You can't walk away on a bombshell like that. Who are these big players with their hands in the dough? Where are these high-price morsels being sold, and what's so special about them, are they made of rolled gold or something? I think people would like to know why we aren't going to Mars anymore these days but we have so much money to spend on snacks, especially in a single transaction.
184.149.39.148 (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See that little number in brackets at the end of the sentence? That's called a citation. If you follow that link, you'll discover the source for this assertion. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  23:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of bread for a pretzel 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kid boy chow. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  gnu57 14:04, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kid boy chow" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: I don't mean to disparage Mr Weaver's knowledge at all, but one reference to an "independent food historian and author of numerous books", none of which are academic but rather popular, does not really support the statement "modern scholars identify the pretzel."  In the absence of anything else at most the article should say something like "one modern writer claims that ...." --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F945:2459:C1EC:C71B:4617 (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "modern scholars" 

message: I reverted your removal of content cited to Atlas Obscura. The reason you gave for your removal is that "Atlas Obscura is not a reliable source". I don't think Atlas Obscura is a good source to use for anything controversial but it's an ok source for basic facts. I've looked at the Atlas Obscura article used here and this very well may be controversial and not the kind of thing we should use Atlas Obscura for. It should be checked against other reliable sources but it would be a good idea to leave the dubious tags in place for now. I'll take a closer look at it later. Spudlace (talk) 22:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlas Obscure 

message: I propose the information for Kringle should be merged here on Pretzel. There is clear overlap, as Kringle states already it is "a variety of pretzel". So basically put it here under Geography with a separate subheading for something like Northern Europe - Kringle. At the moment it seems extremely weird that there isn't even good crosslinking between these two articles. Additionally, having these two separate creates problems and confusion when trying to interlink different languages. Gemena (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the first part of Kringle ought to be moved here, while that article should remain but be only about the Scandinavian treat by that name that isn't a pretzel, other than perhaps vaguely looking like one. Largoplazo (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I think you should move only the discussion of Danish kringle, for much the same reason as Largoplazo.  It looks like peninsular kringle are a pastry dough, which is very different from a pretzel. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 03:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal - Kringle 

message: Back in 1934 smitties soft pretzels was established by Lester Smith in York county the family would use their soft pretzels cut lengthwise making a top and bottom for making a sandwich, later on they decided to tightly twist their dough so as to have no holes thus inventing the tasty soft pretzel bun. Smitties soft pretzels is now located on route 74 just outside of dover Pennsylvania in the direction of dillsburg Pennsylvania the bakery with it's historical merry go round oven and lighthouse pretzel stand are favorites of tourists to travel to to buy and consume their tasty doughy treats. Aprilajacob (talk) 11:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The introduction of pretzel buns by smitties soft pretzels Dover Pennsylvania