Talk:Bitter (beer)

message: "Historically, the difference between ale and beer is that beer has hops added for flavour and bitterness." - does anyone have a source for this? The words 'ale' and 'beer' were both used in Anglo-Saxon, which to my understanding  is several centuries before British brewers started using hops. I had heard the difference was that 'ale' is top-fermented. Harry R
:Ale is top-fermented as opposed to lager which is bottom-fermented; both are beer. The quoted statement, however, conflicts with the information presented on the beer page (that beer's historical usage was for cider, or perhaps any mildly-alcoholic fermented beverage), so I've removed it. VermillionBird 18:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of hops 

message: Where does the term "session bitter" come from?  Is it because they were/are drunk at music "jam" sessions?  Badagnani 20:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No - it means you can have a drinking session on it and not fall over - the stronger beers are too much to drink all night - I can vouch for that! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 15:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Session bitter 

message: I think the statement that people in the North of England prefer sweeter, less well hopped, beers is too much of a generalisation.  Holt's in Manchester is one of the most bitter beers in Britain, and Boddington's (when it was brewed there) was also very hoppy before Whitbread got hold of it.  Last time I looked, Manchester was in the North.  Rodparkes 09:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional differences in taste 

message: I suppose bottom-fermentation, but this information is really missing from the article. Maikel 23:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Top or bottom fermented?

message: Is this section a joke? The 3 listed may be popular, but I don't believe they're notable! A bit like the "Restaurants" article listing McDonalds, Pizza Hut and Burger King as the only 3 "Notable Restaurants"! (Boddies was notable, until its takeover and transformation.) This section would be better called "Popular Bitters".
i beleive this section should be removed entirely as some listed are neither notable nor popular, instead it seems to be a random list of beers the author has heard of!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.138.179 (talk) 16:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if they have their own Wikipedia argument they must, presumably, be notable, by definition. However I agree the list is incomplete and anyway the Category:Beer_and_breweries_in_England gives a pretty good list (for those that are there). The only reason I keep it would be worth keeping if is there was a one-line summary of why they are notable (e.g. Bass had the first trademark in the world, GK IPA is (i Ithink) the most popular UK bitter in terms of sales, etc). But then it becomes an ueditor's nightwhere when Trew's Old Strong and Tawny overtakes GK IPA. Agree, remove it. SimonTrew (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Bitters

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD|WikiProject Food and drink]] Tagging

message: Without objections, I shall link this aticle to the BJCP. BJCP (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not objecting, but what's the BJCP? SimonTrew (talk) 22:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Editors, please give reasons, there is too much adding and reverting going on. 1Z (talk) 08:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJCP 

message: The "brief history" section is wrong in almost every respect. "Pale ale" was a term used for beers brewed with pale malt, not just beers made from malt dried with coke: you can make dark coke-dried malt, and you can make pale malt without using coke. There is no evidence for 1642 being the first year coke was used for making malt: see here.   The expression "pale ale" is at least 28 years older than 1703. The Calcutta Gazette reference is irrelevant: there are are newspaper mentions from the 1720s for pale ale - see here. The expression "bitter" was not in used in Britain in 1830: I wrote the source given for this claim, and I never said that. It dates from the 1840s. Porter and mild were not "less noticeably hopped" than pale bitter ale: Porter was well-hopped, and mild ale could also be well hopped. There is no evidence for the claim that brewers were identifying "cask beers" as bitter "by the mid too late 20th century" - "bitter ale" as an expression was in use much earlier, and "bitter" was also used on some bottled beers. Brewers outside Burton also identified their cask bitters as pale ale, eg Young's of Wandsworth. Zythophile (talk) 16:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Brief history' totally wrong