Talk:Samyaza

message: I think the page Samyaza in popular culture should be merged into this one. Although it is a bit long for an in popular culture section, I think because we're talking about a literary/religious/cultural figure anyway, it makes sense to keep the popular culture in context. Other pages on angels and demons (e.g. Raziel) also do it this way, even when they have pretty long in popular culture sections. Thoughts?
Heliopolisfirebirdii (talk) 02:16, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger Proposal

message: Why are we calling the title character of this article "Shemyazaz" when the article itself is called Samyaza?
I assume this spelling is an attempt to draw a connection to "Azazel".  However, while the transliteration may seem similar to the Anglophone ear, in the original Aramaic (preserved in the Dead Sea Scrolls) the spellings are clearly dissimilar.  שמיחזה vs. עשאל  I don't know how they compare in the Ethiopic, but the Aramaic should be considered more authoritative.  The resemblance between the names seems to be a result of the inability of the Greek to transcribe the Semitic gutterals.  The standard academic transliteration of the Aramaic is Šemiḥazah.  
Blackjack@jolly-roger.com
The Ethiopic version I have which was translated in 1882 spells his name as Azâzêl and Semjâzâ respectively. But I'm quite happy to bow down to Blackjacks obvious superior knowledge and go along with Šemiḥazah. But while this is being discussed I've changed all Shemyazaz to Samyaza as this is the name of this article at this time. --Shimirel 01:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already lists Shemhazai (meaning 'heaven-seizer') as an alternate name for satan. I've reverted all your edits as they aren't really todo with Samyaza neither is The Apocryphon of John. -- Shimirel (Talk) 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shemyazaz or Samyaza 

message: Now to the best of my knowledge it appears these two refer to the same entity just under different names but it may be that the Ouza has got things confused somewhere along the line. Or not. At the very least there seems to be interesting information which contradits some t=of what is said here (especially about the etymology of the name) and I didn't want to put up merge suggestions until someone checked things through. (Emperor 01:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I seem to recall all those names being used to denote the same angel. I say merge it, the trouble is for every translation you have a slightly different version of the name. Probably if you did some research Ouza comes from one paticular translation. I know at least one name in the book of enoch is so damaged you couldn't even translate it properly doesn't stop them from trying though :( -- Shimirel (Talk) 11:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Samyaza]] and [[Semyaza]]

message: The article says:  "Samyaza is most likely another name for Sheten (Heb: 'the adversary'), who was originally an entity created in the service of God; he was the caretaker of God's throne, but later fell from the heavens because of his pride according to Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. Jesus states that he saw Heilil fall from heaven like lightning in Luke 10:18. "
Well, Isaïas 14  is about the king of Babylon, a powerful but mortal man.  In fact, in Isaïas 14:12 the hebrew word used to designate the king is Halal, which means "Morning Star". In the fourth century, Saint Jerome translated it into Latin using the word  Lucifer, whose original meaning in Latin in also "Morning Star". That is why the term Lucifer can be found in Isaïas 14:12 in the Roman Catholic Bible. However, most rader would not know the original meaning of the word Lucifer, used by Saint Jerome. So careful current translations of the Bible (or the ones that are not based on Saint Jerome's translation) use, in Isaïas 14:12, the expression "Morning Star".
Ezekiel 28:12-19 is about one of the kings of Tyr, again a powerful but mortal man.  
Jesus in Luke 10:18 never said that he saw Halal (or Heilil) to fall from heavens. Luke was written in Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic.  The word used in Luke 10:18 is Satanas (a greek version of the hebrew word Satan). 
Finally it is important to note that "Morning Star" was a honorific title, it is even used to refer to Jesus in the Apocalysis (for instance, Apo 22:16).
:I deleted one sentence (the false etymology 'infamous rebellion') from the first paragraph. This etymology is not possible for two reasons: (1) there is a heth in "Shemyaza"; and (2) 'azaz' has an ayin which does not appear in "Shemyaza." M. Knibb's etymology is certainly correct.Renejs (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innacurate information in this article 

message: The article states:
Samyaza is also the name of an experimental side project from Casablanca, Morocco.
An experimental side project, if I might ask, of who/what exactly? Theelf29 01:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experimental side project 

message: Shemyaza was one of the original angels sent to teach man about root cuttings, science, and magic. He was the one who fully accepted the blame for the sins of the fallen angels against God for the lustful desires they wished to persue through woman. He is not the devil from the garden of Eden. This beast is from before that time. The 6th day creation of man, not the 8th day creation of Et'Ha'Adam. He is the angel responsible for the giants of the book of Genesis. Not Satan, Satan is responsible for corrupting the line God made to bring the rest of man back from the error of their ways. When he corrupted Eve and Eve corrupted Adam. I think it necessary that you at least know the truth about the one you seek to learn about. I know him personally, and trust me when I tell you, it is an ancient evil. And you wanna stay as far away from Shemyaza, anything bearing a trident, and Watcher stuff as possible. 
I believe Shemyaza is one of the 7 demons of Faust, if I remember correctly. So be very careful, or you might lose something very valuable to you. And he'll take it too. But you can take it back, I did.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.48.25 (talk) 20:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shemyaza (the first to fall) not the adversary.  

message: In Tabaqat-i Nasiri by Minhaj-i-Siraj, it speaks of Samyaza, not as an angel, but as a ruler and descendant of Cain:
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.184.59 (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Islam