Talk:Lake Zurich

message: 2|- m seems like a weird dimension... methinks this is a scanned in document— Preceding unsigned comment added by  203.41.198.130  (talk) 09:48, 28 October 2002 (UTC)
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message: Hi, started Obersee (Zürichsee), please let's know respectively discuss here, so you dont's see any need to separate; before please also see p.e. :Obersee (Lake Constance). thx and kindly regards, Roland zh 21:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: What is correct? In German it is Zürichsee. Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Zurich oder Zürich

message: From the article: "Historically, the best weather for swimming has been late August, with August 28 typically having the nicest weather at around 5:30pm."  This is suspiciously specific. 2A02:AA13:7200:2400:E470:C629:94DE:1134 (talk) 16:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed that sentence, it was added here on August 28(!) 2014 at 5:03pm(!) local time. Obviously a troll edit. --FGodard (talk) 11:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Best time to swim

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message: The article is named "Lake Zurich", yet in the article, the spelling "Lake Zürich" is used. It should be either/or, consistently.
My research shows that "Lake Zurich" is the established Anglicized spelling, but I don't feel sure enough to change it. Ebab (talk) 08:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent spelling with/without umlaut 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved back per consensus   (t · c) buidhe 10:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Lake Zürich →  – To align with WP:COMMONNAME, reverting a WP:BOLD 2020 move. Ngrams shows a considerable preference for "Lake Zurich", with the difference sufficiently sufficient to override concerns about the impact of the US village. This is reinforced by recent news results, with agencies such as Reuters, the New York Times and the BBC all using "Lake Zurich". BilledMammal (talk) 05:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

text: *So are those who create the official English spelling ignorant, or do they continue to use typewriters? In any case, their position isn't overly relevant due to WP:OFFICIALNAME, but I would suggest that if "Zurich" not "Zürich" is also the common name for the city, then we should move that article as well. BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *The city article has already survived RM. The reason many cities in non-English-speaking cities have official English names without accents is not because their inhabitants are ignorant but because they think (with some justification, apparently) that we native English speakers are! The fact is, however, that many of us can cope with "furrin" names and even, horror of horrors to some (e.g. those who still insist on writing Marseilles, Lyons, etc, a trend that has, thank God, mostly died out in the UK, but sadly not in the US), prefer to use them. With a very few exceptions, like Venice, Florence, Belgrade and Vienna, where the Anglicised names have become so well established that it would be pretentious to use the native versions, it is always better to use the native spelling. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *Eight years ago as "no consensus". As for the rest, the policy is WP:COMMONNAME, which asks for the English name, not the native name - and if you wish to change that, could I suggest opening a RfC there? BilledMammal (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *No, common name means common name in English-language sources, not necessarily the one without the accents, not necessarily a translation and not necessarily the "official" English name. But the common name. In fact, usage in English-language sources is mixed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *Apologies, I was unclear, but that is what I meant regarding common name. As for usage being mixed, that wasn't what I observed, an observation that is reinforced by ngrams. In fact, over the top hundred relevant results when searching for news about ""Lake Zürich" Switzerland", 95 used "Lake Zurich" and just 5 used "Lake Zürich". Did you observe a notably different result? BilledMammal (talk) 10:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 22 November 2021 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus.  — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans //  04:38, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Lake Zurich →  – The RM attempting to move the article Zürich to Zurich has failed. We are therefore now inconsistent with article titles, so I am proposing to move this article back to its former spelling. Super Ψ Dro 15:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Lakes has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 17:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Switzerland has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 17:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

text: 1. A lot of reliable sources were provided for ‘Lake Zurich’ in the 22nd November 2021 RM while no sources have been provided for ‘Lake Zürich’, 2. Google Maps does have it’s own editorial policy as can be seen for places like Mecca which is Makkah al-Mukkuramah on Google Maps https://www.google.com/maps/place/Makkah+al-Mukarramah+Saudi+Arabia/@27.8587337,43.1367865,5.14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x15c21b4ced818775:0x98ab2469cf70c9ce!8m2!3d21.3891473!4d39.8583984  or like how Port Elizabeth is Gqeberha on Google Maps https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gqeberha,+South+Africa/@-33.8012478,25.2499902,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x1e7b290045ffd62b:0x86fd2337cd894226!8m2!3d-33.9604473!4d25.6022644 . Ale3353 (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:NZGB Independent Sources#Online maps discusses this briefly; when it comes to Google maps, we don't always know where they get their name from. I would generally agree with powera that we should avoid using it. BilledMammal (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

text:  The manual of style states ‘The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.’ It doesn’t matter what way the vote was leaning, all that matters is that it got no consensus. Ale3353 (talk) 16:55, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 December 2021