Talk:Sheela na gig/Archive 1

message: I'm removing the quote attributed to the BBC website because it is from a site run by the BBC that is edited by the public, much like wikipedia, and therefore doesn't meet wikipedia:verifiability standards. -Fennel 04:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "BBC" site

message: I imagine that in The Sheela-na-Gigs of Ireland and Britain Joanne McMahon and Jack Roberts use "Ireland" and "Britian" to mean "the island of Ireland" and "Great Britian", not "the Republic of Ireland" and "the United Kingdom". Laurel Bush 09:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland and Britian 

message: In the "Origins of the Name" section, do we also want to include more of the alternate names?  Haven't some been referred to as "St. Catherine"?  --Kathryn NicDhàna 21:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good idea on the alternate names thing. I think St Catherine was the saint which a lot of sheela bearing churches were dedicated to. Not really come across this in the UK though so I am not sure how watertight that theory is, but it may be more common in Ireland. I think St Gobnait is a name associated with one figure though. (Pryderi 21:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that we could list a few of these, and any patterns of particular saints' churches that tend to have Sheelas.  You and/or Gay or Shae would have a better overview on that that would I. --Kathryn NicDhàna 02:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm I had a look at this when I started looking for figures and it's a bit of a mares nest. Basically the dedication may have and usually has changed over the years and the original dedication if there was one may not be available. I'm pretty sure that the St Laurence dedication at Church Stretton originated well into the medieval period for instance. Looking at the orientation of figures is much the same as well because they move around a lot. Dr Theresa Oakley has done some work on the orientation and couldn't really find an overall pattern. The Copgrove figure has moved at least three times since the 19th century. The inclusion in church "rituals" like the one at St Gobnait would be worth looking at.(Pryderi 18:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  I've put the material back in. The previous edit took out nearly everything bar the first paragraph. I assume this wasn't the intention bearing in mind most of it was referenced?(Pryderi 10:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for reverting to the proper version!  I have no idea what happened.  I think it must have been a system glitch, because I didn't delete anything.  I simply reverted to the last version before the latest, er, problem.  But I think the system either chose a much older version, or did something completely bizarre.  I was baffled as I thought somehow I'd missed a decision to do massive cuts on the piece, and that now we'd have to go back and put things in.  Glad it's straightened out now. (But I'm still going to dig through the history and try to figure out what happened.)  And to further clarify:  My edit summary, about the need to cite reliable sources, was in response to the deleted bit that claimed there is "a growing body of scholarly opinion (concerning Ed's pet theory)" for which no Wiki-standard sources have ever been cited.  --Kathryn NicDhàna 19:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah right! Mystery solved. Pryderi 13:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Names 

message: 'Eamonn Kelly writes that the name is an Irish phrase, originally either Sighle na gCíoch, meaning "the old hag of the breasts", or Síle-ina-Giob, meaning "Sheila (from the Irish Síle -- a hag or old woman) on her hunkers".'  Is the year on Kelly's book 1993?  I'm pretty sure I heard these theories before then, but I may be off by a couple years.  Do we know who originated them and when?  Was it Kelly?   --Kathryn NicDhàna 02:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pretty sure it was Andersen for the Sheela Na Cioch (sp) theory. (Pryderi 18:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  May have been originally put forward by someone other than Kelly... I included his reference to the Sighle na gCioch (that's how he spells it in "Sheela-na-gigs - Origins and Functions") interpretation because Kelly's book was the first place that I read it, please do give an earlier reference if there is one. -Fennel 05:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on Dates 

message: I've separated these two as the previous edit was potentially a bit confusing. It looked as if the Northern English "Gig" was pronounced the same as the Irish Gigh (Ghee). As far as I know Gig was pronounced Gig. (Pryderi 07:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gig and Gigh 

message: From www.englishirishdictionary.com  (Yeah I know, it's an online dictionary so you will use that as an excuse to discredit it.)
Anyway, from that dictionary comes entry below - and I draw your attention to the last three words in the English sentence and see how they are translated in Gaelic in the last two words of the Irish sentence.
dismissal includes the termination by an employee of her contract of employment with her employer 
folaíonn dífhostú fostaí d'fhoirceannadh a conartha fostaíochta lena fostóir;
Ed, how about getting an account and signing your posts?  In the meantime, linking to your blog is not an acceptable way to get around Wikipedia policy: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Bulletin_boards.2C_wikis_and_posts_to_Usenet
--Kathryn NicDhàna 22:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish lesson 

message: Good additions, Pryderi! --Kathryn NicDhàna 18:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection from Evil