Talk:Sherwood Park Freeway

message: This one can definitely do without the route shield as it a) does not exist, and b) 99.9% of people are unaware of the highway 100 designation (even AB Trans calls it SPF and not hwy 100), but if they care to know it is stated in the alternate name parameter and very early in the lead. I have a feeling that it was called highway 14 for so long and AB Trans wanted to keep its heritage as SPF, that's why they never pushed for it to actually become known as hwy 100 nor did they sign it. The reason I didn't have a shield on Henday is because absolutely nobody refers to it as highway 216, so for aesthetics of the infobox I opted not to included it. That's just personal preference on my part though and by any objective measure it should be included.  -- Acefitt 02:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough Re: the Hwy 100 shield - it's unsigned and merely something that's contained within the documentation of Alberta Transportation.  How do other Wikipedia articles handle unsigned highways?  The only example I could think of was Queen Elizabeth Way, which is internally signed as Highway 451, but there are no Hwy 451 shield on the infobox.  As for Stoney Trail and Anthony Henday Drive, both routes are clearly marked as Hwys 201 and 216 respectively, and I feel that the infobox should reflect official designation over common vernacular. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 21:46, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can follow pretty simple logic... if the sign physically exists somewhere on the route, we'll put it in the infobox. -- Acefitt 22:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

text: I agree the route shield should be excluded because it is not signed as such and there is the general unawareness of the numbered designation in the first place. The invoked alternate name parameter and the mention in the lead do the fact justice. I drove SPF a couple times this week and the only "100" sign I could find was the maximum speed limit sign. Imagine the potential confusion if the speed limit was 90 and the highway was signed with a 100 route shield! I don't want to go down the speculation route as to why it is not signed 100 (oh wait, maybe I kind of just did). I have access to engineers that worked on the recent NE AHD construction project, which included the recent SPF upgrades. Maybe I can track down the answer why it is unsigned and why "100" was selected in the first place. In the meantime, want to start a grassroots movement to lobby renumbering of SPF/100 and 630 to Highway 30? The number is not in use. ;) Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 03:46, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it'd be potentially confusing for it to be signed as 100. There's plenty of 2 digit numbers available though, I'd think if they actually wanted to sign it then they'd have picked something else. Seems like it was never intended to actually be signed and there's some specific reason they picked 100. -- Acefitt 22:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

text:  I like your idea of renumbering Hwys 100 & 630; but what about renumbering it Hwy 14A?  It would reflect the route both as it's historical designation (SPF) as well as it being an alternate route to Hwy 14.  Cheers! -- MuzikMachine (talk) 21:46, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I started it, but I'll save further speculative debate on different highway renumbering scenarios for forums outside Wikipedia. Hwy43 (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Forgot to, but meant to, comment on the AHD. The statement "absolutely nobody refers to it as highway 216" is not the case. The highway numbers applied to AHD and Stoney are well-known; widespread thanks to their usage on signage, maps, etc. Hwy43 (talk) 07:17, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't say they weren't well-known. The point remains, I have lived in both Calgary and Edmonton and have never heard either of them referred to by their numbers. I didn't say that nobody knew what the numbers were. -- Acefitt 17:55, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What I am saying is because they are numbered and that their numbers are widely known as a result, they are referred to by their numbers instead of their names by some. There is no chance that "absolutely nobody" refers to them by these numbers. I've heard it in the media, conversation, etc. Hwy43 (talk) 18:03, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't, unless it was previously referred to as Henday/Stoney by that same person or in that same media report. Guess I have to get out more. -- Acefitt 18:13, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

text: I wonder if they didn't want to bother signing a 4 km segment of a highway but for bookkeeping purposes had to allocate some number once Whitemud was done. Given how busy Wye Road is these days, maybe they could have resigned 630 from Henday to hwy 21 as hwy 100 then it could've been longer. -- Acefitt 03:59, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: AT signs the junction of Hwy 899 along Hwy 562 north of Empress. Hwy 899 is the shortest highway in Alberta. We can speculate all we want. I've just inquired. Hopefully I get answers sometime next week to bring closure to the speculation. Hwy43 (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route shield