Talk:East Bengal

message: I disagree with the merger with East Pakistan as these were separate political entities. East Bengal was a province in British India, that existed between 1905-1912. It was merged with Bengal in 1912, and later after the partition of India in 1947, it became the eastern part of Pakistan. It gained the name East Bengal and was later renamed to East Pakistan in the mid 1950s.
My point is that even though the area is same, the histroical perspective justifies different articles for them. Pakistan didn't have a province named East Pakistan after mid 1950s, if East Bengal is merged with East Pakistan, the current content of East Bengal (province) would become completely irrelevant. So, I object to the proposed merger. Thanks. --Ragib 21:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean. The thought was to have a single article that traced the modern history of the region (until it became Bangladesh), with East Begla (province) being a redirect to East Pakistan.  There's precedent, of course, with many articles dealing with areas through different political identities, but I take it that you're still opposed? Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The section on history between 1905-12 can and should be removed from East Pakistan, as the region had nothing to do with Pakistan at that time. I disagree with the proposal that "East Pakistan" needs to be merged with content from East Bengal (province), as the status quo is correctly reflecting history now. Thanks. --Ragib 21:26, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah, that makes sense — putting the whole thing into History of Bangladesh would certainly be the best option. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting all in History of Bangladesh could be an option, but East Pakistan must also have its history: about the partition (How the territory is created during the British Raj, already divided in religious lines), the history of the name (since the province's name was only change several years after independence) and its role in the State of Pakistan before the partition. I believe that the most important information of this article should be merged with East Pakistan, a much more detailed research should be merged with the History of Bangladesh. Messhermit 15:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: If this debate is still going on about merging articles, the East Bengal article should contain information on the British Indian province, and at the same time the East Pakistan and West Pakistan articles should be merged into a new Historic Subdivisions of Pakistan article with redirects at the East Pakistan and West Pakistan articles. Green Giant 19:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree. East Pakistan has enough history in the 24 years of its existence. Rather, the article you propose can summarize East Pakistan in a section. East Bengal as a region (not the province) has long been there, with distinct cultural aspects separate from West Bengal. Also, it WAS the name of East Pakistan for several years until the name change in mid 1950s. Thanks. --Ragib 20:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ragib, that's much better suggestion. The East Bengal article should cover the region as a whole because as you say the region has existed for some time. However, the information on East Pakistan and West Pakistan should be combined on a Historic Subdivisions page, which could also mention the former states such as Kalat and Bahawalpur and go into some detail of the One Unit policy. Green Giant 00:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but my proposal is something in the middle ... to have an article covering East Pakistan (and west) in detail, and also have the Historic Subdivisions of Pakistan page ... where East and West Pakistan will both have a section devoted to them. These sections can summarize the contents of each of the detailed pages. This way, we can have both a summarized discussion (the big picture) and also detailed specifics. Thanks. --Ragib 00:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger with [[East Pakistan]]

message: This page should be the disambiguation page and not East Bengal (disambiguation), because logically, readers are going to type East Bengal without the word disambiguation. [[User:Green_Giant 23:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed East Bengal page to become the East Bengal province article, with a link at the top of the page linking to the East Bengal Club page. As such, a disambiguation page won't be necessary anymore. User:Jagged_85 06:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Moved talk page here too. Green Giant 03:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page 

message: This talk page seems to have been cold for a long time, that too without resolving the main issue with this article. East Bengal was a province of the Dominion of Pakistan created when British India was being partitioned in 1947. The Dominion of Pakistan chose to rename this province as East Pakistan in 1955. Pakistan became a sovereign republic in 1956. In 1971 the country of Bangladesh emerged within the borders of East Pakistan. Thus East Bengal, East Pakistan and Bangladesh refer to the same geographical region. These three regions must have three separate articles since they represent three distinct political stages in the history of the same geographical region. 
Contrastingly, the province which was created when Bengal was partitioned in 1905 was called 'East Bengal and Assam' and existed only till 1912. It's geographical boundaries were significantly different from that of 'East Bengal'. It is also arguable that the reasons for the creation of 'East Bengal and Assam' and the creation of 'East Bengal' were considerably divergent. Hence the 'First Partition' should not have any focal role within this article, though it must be adequately mentioned as a part of the history of the region known in different points in history as East Bengal, East Pakistan & Bangladesh.--Atin Bhattacharya (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reorganized the article and added some material. But I'm finding it a bit difficult to create a good narrative on the pre-1947 history of 'East Bengal'. Maybe this article should be organized somewhat like the East Pakistan article.--Atin Bhattacharya (talk) 07:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Should the First Partition be in this article?

message: Content added here infringes on the copyright of at least one Banglapedia article. Consider the following, for instance:
Banglapedia says:
More material has certainly been copied from that article (published under full copyright reservation).
Also consider the following:
Banglapedia says:
While some of this is minimally changed, I'm afraid that too much is copied directly and those changes that are made constitute a close paraphrase.
This content either needs to be rewritten or rolled back to the last clean version, . The template currently in place offers a link to a temporary page, in case contributors would like a shot at rewriting. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problems

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: My objection is that most people have forgotten that East Bengal had existed even during Colonial times before becoming part of Pakistan in 1947, such as that between 1905 till 1912, I believe it would be an unfair injustice if history is sunk down on the path of narrative-bias. East Bengal's history extends beyond its association with Pakistan. East Bengal existed even during colonial times, specifically between 1905 and 1912 when it was part of British India. This period has its own distinct political history, separate from its later association with Pakistan. Splitting the articles would allow for a more comprehensive exploration of East Bengal's history, acknowledging its pre-Pakistan existence.Thanks  ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️  📧  ✍️  07:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting East Bengal (Colonial) and East Bengal (Pakistan)?