Talk:The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

message: Vera Miles was escorted to Tom's cabin at the beginning of the film by the Marshall and not by Pompey.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.204.210.57 (talk) 00:16, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction

message: Added Trivia regarding the song, the location, and the time of the setting of the movie.
Mushrom 0128, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The closing scene of "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is a rear view of the train heading away.  This same scene is used in the ending of some of "Tales of Wells Fargo" with Dale Robertson TV show.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.229.58 (talk) 19:19, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Does discussion of Theme violate no original research? I would say the claims about the theme are highly controversial, and many other positions on the theme are possible (in fact, I read several reviews on rottentomatoes, and none of them agreed with this article on the theme). Since the claimed theme or themes of the movie are not attributed to a particular film critic, they would be original research.--Danielradetsky 05:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme--POV and other objections

message: Personally, I always thought the theme actually used in the movie was beyond perfection and ideal for this particular film, infinitely more suitable than the Pitney song would've been.  Wikichump (talk) 05:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More Gene Pitney

message: I agree the leandscape is about right, but the only reference in the film to a capitol is "Capitol City". 
Staszu13 19:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also possible that the 38 stars on the flag wasn't part of a carefully crafted clue by the director, but was just somewhat random.  What is certain is that the film deliberately avoided naming the territory (notice the deliberately neutral name "Capital City").  So I think it is (a) wrong and (b) a violation of WP:NOR to state as a fact that this story took place in Arizona, or Colorado, or anywhere else.  24.23.139.195 09:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Was'' this set in Arizona?

message: It's been changed to cinema, which I think is a perfect compromise.  Originally the disputed portion read "in theatres."  Someone changed it to "in theaters," which while acceptable is not a direct link to the WP article "Theatre."  I changed it back to an equally acceptable word which DOES link to WP's article, which got a fellow's pantaloons in a bunch.  He argued that "theatre," while WP's chosen variation and universally accepted as a proper spelling, was somehow "wrong."  Fortunately, someone with more sense than both of us changed it to "in cinemas," which I think is an excellent compromise.  I'm sorry that I didn't think of it myself.  Of course, if the article had originally said "in movie theatres," I might not have argued the point when it was changed to the alternate spelling, since most sources suggest that there is a preference in some quarters for using the Germanic/Anglican spelling for movie houses.  It's a tempest in a teapot, but as an uncredentialed etymologist, I have an inclination for the most historically accurate of two acceptable choices.  At any rate, unless someone prefers edit wars to useful compromise, "in cinemas" it can remain. Monkeyzpop 03:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Monkeyzpop, I've sometimes disagreed with things you've mentioned in comments (and agreed with most of them) but this one is so sterlingly, resoundingly perfect that I might've written it myself. The Final Edict (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Theatre" is British usage; "theater" is American usage. An article on an American film obviously should be written in American usage. I've added a usage notice to this talk page as a reminder.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Theatre vs. Theater

message: Background section says: "The Royal Guardsmen also covered the song in their 1967 album Snoopy vs. the Red Baron (album)."
I own that album, and my copy most definitely does not include "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence." What is the source of the above statement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.192.21.44 (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Snoopy vs. the Red Baron

message: I've reverted the erroneous edit locating the film in Wyoming, as this has been discussed at length (see above) and the film clearly takes place in the Arizona-New Mexico-Colorado area from internal evidence, but there is no evidence whatsoever to support Wyoming as its locale.  In addition, I deleted uncited speculation as to why certain characters were given certain names.  Imputing reasons to the writer or director without quotations or citation leaves remarks subject to deletion. Monkeyzpop (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions

message: I have changed the wording in the song section to indicate that there are two drums strikes, mimicking the two shots fired. Also, I have altered the phrase that read: "kettle-drum, or tympani that slides upward" to "drum" as the original description doesn't make sense to me.
Guyburns (talk) 10:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  One shot (in song) should be two 

message: On the single of the song it states in brackets: "inspired by film of same name": implying that the song came after the film. If so, the wording in the song section should be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyburns (talk • contribs) 11:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've read elsewhere online, the song was released the same year as the film but afterward, which means the movie could still have been in theaters. It was not used in the movie because of music publishing dispute. 5Q5 (talk) 15:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would strenuously argue that Cyril J. Mockridge's amazing theme song used in the film was far better and more suitable than the Pitney recording would have been, especially since Mockridge's theme doesn't give away the plot of the movie to viewers before the first scene unspools. To my mind, one of the numerous aspects of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance that make it unassailably Ford's greatest masterpiece is the fact that it's the only Ford film in which there is no music in the picture that doesn't annoy or grate on discerning modern ears; Mockridge's theme is thrilling.  I couldn't make that statement had Pitney's recording been substituted for Mockridge's. Interestingly, a variation of the theme was incorporated into the original trailer for Otto Preminger's River of No Return (1950) with Robert Mitchum and Marilyn Monroe, worth checking out on YouTube. Mockridge did the music for that film as well. The Final Edict (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which came first: song or film 

message: hey, ya all might enjoy this lil trivia fact ..
just a few months before the release of 'Liberty'... not less than 3, count 'em 3 stars/supporting cast where presented in a Twilight Zone episode from Oct 1961.. it was kinda spooky, weird to watch it. As it should be. oh, it was entitled 'the Grave' w/ Lee Marvin, Lee Van Cleef & Strother Martin. 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:6CB1:3368:136:B07E (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Watched that episode recently on Netflix. Lee Marvin's hat in that one was fantastic, I would love to have one just like it.  Speaking of Marvin, he gave a detailed description of working on The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance in an in-depth interview later in his life, available on YouTube, in which he eloquently explains why there was no choice about choosing black and white over color and that the film would not have worked at all in color, which for once even enigmatic Ford himself was vocal about. Regarding the quote widely attributed to cinematographer Clothier about the studio insisting on black and white to save on costs, it was preposterous that they'd insist on that with two of the biggest stars in cinema at the pinnacles of their careers leading the cast, not to mention that even then studios preferred color film for foreign distribution purposes and because color movies usually tend to do better at the box office across the board. By the way, Lee Marvin's first name came from the fact that he was supposedly related to Robert E. Lee, whose enormous statue was concidentally taken down in Richmond VA yesterday as I write this. The Final Edict (talk) 14:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Take it to 'the Grave'... 

message: In the Reception section, quotes (direct and indirect) attributed to Richard Brody were ref-ed to the Roger Ebert website (by name-ing an earlier ref). I found two good refs for the first quote and added them. I did not find refs for the rest of the sentence at those locations. The quotes are likely correct and Brody likely wrote about TMWSLV many times, but I did not find good refs, so the end of the sentence lacks a ref. Paleolith (talk) 20:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Brody refs