Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/2004

message: It seems to me we are better to re-organize :Category:Japan. There are :Category:cities in Japan and :Category:towns in Japan, but most of cities are uncategorized yet, and some cities are not categorized as so, but directly put in Category:Japan. I think it is same for persons and cultural topics. Your help will be very appreciated. --Aphaea 22:17, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  category 

message: It's not an affair on en.wp, but on ja. i would like to listen to your cooment on town template. Please see :ja:Template:日本の町村 and leave your comment on its talk. My interest is what information is necessary for translators; I hope to have all ja town article provide anyone the minimum enough information in its first paragraph and this table.  --Aphaea 05:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comments 

message: I wonder whether some Japanese Wikipedians could help me out. The article on Adolf Hitler contains the sentence: "However in the East, he and Nazism are seen in a much more neutral context, sometimes even favorably, such as in Japan and India and much of the Islamic world." Is that true as far as Japan is concerned? Many thanks for any help you can give me. jguk 20:05, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not true.  I live in Tokyo, and have studied Japan's Foreign Policy and History for some 16 years now.  Granted, Hitler is not seen as the Devil Himself in Japan, but that is more because there was no direct effect on Japan (i.e. no Jewish Community or Holocaust Survivors group to remind society of his evil).  Japanese would rather forget about the war and that portion of history-- they have moved on. If any memories remain, they center on Japan's atrocities in China, and/or the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Davejenk1ns 03:20, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely it is not true "no direct effect on Japan"; I would like to say quite small effect. Most of Japanese didn't notice or mind Hitler's racism actually, and the reason is has no substantial effect on the diplomatic relation between two states in those days. But it doesn't mean there was no effect. For example, there were actually Jewish communities in Japan (in Tokyo and Kobe) nad they received the effect, even if it was smaller than in Europe. On the other hand, it was entirely a community of foreigners in very limited area and most of Japanese had no relation to those communities. So it has been difficult for most Japanese to recognize the effect of German policies in those days.  --Aphaea 02:32, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: A question

message: There is currently a reworked vote going on about Japanese name order for the Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles/Naming order. Since they are trying to establish a consistent policy for the Wikipedia, I suggest everyone participate. gK 01:52, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese name order in the Wikipedia

message: Okay.  I think it is time for a vote/decision.  How do we resolve this?  Revmachine has his opinion, Taku, Gk, and I have ours-- we have each made our points, presented evidence (encyclopedias on the one side, newspapers on the other). I think we need to set this out and go with it.  Do we vote?  (huzzah for LN GN!!!) Davejenk1ns 02:31, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I are having a poll right now :) Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles/Naming_order. I don't know why people started this debate here not there. -- Taku 02:56, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
Taku is correct in pointing out that there is already a poll going on at  Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles/Naming_order, which is where I think that the poll should stay. Before that poll was set up, and even after the poll had been started, there have been debates on the subject of Japanese name order for Wikipedia articles that have also occured here, on the  Talk page for the Naming_order subpage, on the  Talk page for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) article, on various User and User Talk pages, in the Talk pages on a number of Japanese-related subjects, and even under the Request for Deletion on a particular article.
I am glad this debate is going on because it has helped me become clearing on my own opinions on the subject, and actually made me change my mind. This debate has already been going on for awhile, and for something so important, I think that it should continue for awhile longer. Until things are settled, it is probably fine to continue to follow the suggestion at Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles - "use the form of a person's name that is most widely known and used by English speakers". gK ¿? 04:59, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Time for a vote and a decision

message: ::In my humble opinion, I think that all Japanese names SHOULD follow the English naming conventions, with redirects from the Japanese order, and little boxes to the side explaining (with kanji) the person's surname, given name, and in which order it most often appears. Inconsistency isn't great, and either way is going to create some inconsistencies with what is most often read. At least if we keep it consistent, with a little frame explaining what is most common, with redirects, everyone will get to the information, and get a nice little explanation of Japanese naming conventions, and what the most common usage is.
::In cases where the most common usage is in doubt, Googlewar is your friend... Akira Kurosawa: 672,000. Kurosawa Akira: 192,000. That way people can be informed as to the most easily recognizable use, as well as which name is which. It'd be a good compromise that would stick to the official wikipedia policies, as well as providing the information on Japanese naming that really is integral to understanding Japanese names.
--Joshua Maciel 00:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: There's no ideal solution

message: I just discovered Template:Stubs. Would it be useful to create a template:Japanese-stub and also a :Category:Japanese stub to help keep track of, and better organize, those Japanese articles that need work? See also: Wikipedia:Stub categories
:Actually these stubs have been created, but the names were slightly different from what I was looking for. There is Template:Japan-stub and :Category:Japan-related stubs.
Also: I found that there are already some Japanese related articles in :Category:Historical_stubs, including Prince Hisaaki. There are also Japanese biographies listed at :Category:People stubs, such as Abe Nobuyuki. There are a few Japanese articles in :Category:Geography stubs, including Osa, Okayama. I found a single Japanese related article under :Category:Literature stubs: Takizawa Bakin. gK 23:53, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Would we like to gather these separated stubs under :Category:Japan-related stubs with ?--Aphaea 02:17, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's leave the other stubs, but also add the . It's probably not the "wiki-way" to have two stubs, but maybe it will attract a few people who are not primarily interested in Japanese topics to edit a few of the articles. gK 03:24, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Stubs & Categories

message: There are two categories that seem closely related, 
# :Category:Japanese authors and
# :Category:Japanese writers.
Should we merge these, or should we insert text to help authors of articles choose which one to place an article in?
:If we want to match what has been done with other language/nationality categories, they should are all be under :Category:Japanese writers. Under that should be the subcategories :Category:Japanese poets and :Category:Japanese novelists. There could also be a :Category:Japanese dramatists and playwrights to cover Noh, Kabuki, etc. Then all those List of Japanese authors can be hidden in a new :Category:Lists of Japanese authors. To do all of that, however, would be lots of work. It would be much easier to just merge everything into :Category:Japanese authors. [Also: Unless someone can think of someone to add to it, the :Category:Japanese historians should probably be deleted since it is currently empty.] gK 12:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I am for to merge them. --Aphaea 02:21, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree we should merge them, but under which category? The easier choice (authors) or the way most of the other Wikipedia categories are structured (writers), which will require much more editing? gK 03:24, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the latter; unity helps us greatly to collaborate each others IMO. But I don't want to make a dicision too rushly. If necessary, we will have a vote. Or we would wait to make a general concensus. --Aphaea 06:28, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm nominating Japanese authors for deletion. Oliver Chettle 08:30, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Authors and Writers

message: I was just looking at this category and it is a real mess. For example:
:Category:Japanese sportspeople --> :Category:Japanese people
:Category:Japanese athletes --> :Category:Japanese people by occupation --> :Category:Japanese people
Both :Category:Japanese sportspeople and :Category:Japanese athletes have a bunch of subcategories, so it will be a real mess untangling them. For example, the both have :Category:Japanese baseball players, but only the first one has :Category:Olympic swimmers of Japan (which only has one person in it).
Somewhere in the Wikipedia, or maybe it was Media-Wiki I saw a tool that allowed one to show a tree of linkages for a particular category, but now I can't find it. It would really help straiten things out. ;-) gK ¿? 11:42, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: more under [[:Category:Japanese people]]

message: Just out of curiosity, I tried to go through the list of past feature articles, and find any existing Feature Articles that had some relation to Japan. The bold titles were featured on the main page. Some else should probably also take a look at the list because it is l-o-n-g and I may have missed something (I almost missed the  Go article. Also, I didn't look though the archives to see if there were any Japan-related articles that didn't make it. (see also :Category:Wikipedia featured articles). gK ¿? 13:30, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Japan-related [[Wikipedia:Featured articles | Feature Articles]]

message: Could some of the Japanese members take a look at the Kimi Ga Yo article. To me, it looks rather POV. If the article does a fairly good job of representing the arguments being used in Japan, then it looks like the pro-Kimi Ga Yo camp are misrepresenting the facts (see my remarks at Talk:Kimi Ga Yo). gK ¿? 10:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kimi Ga Yo]]

message: Hi. I found the characters of a Yu-Gi-Oh! character named "Murashibe" here http://www.janime.net/images/series1_11/02/45.jpg - I want the characters so I can post them on the English Yu-GI-Oh! articles. Can someone please post the characters in text here so I can copy and paste them?
I posted the same prompt back at "Chatsubo" on the JA wikipedia. WhisperToMe 22:38, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese name from an image 

message: User:JesseW has created some tools for looking at how verious categories are organized. When I asked for his help, he created a couple of pages to show the organization of everything under :Category:Japan. There are at User talk:JesseW/Children of Category Japan list and :Image:Japan_category_graph.png (warning:a very large file). gK ¿? 14:24, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: More on various Japan-related Categories

message: There is discussion going on at Template talk:Japan-stub on what would be an appropriate graphic to add to the japan-stub. If someone knows of a good drawing (or photo maybe) that would look good shrunk down to approx. 40 pixels square that is in the public domain or could be used under the GFDL license, please join the discussion. gK ¿? 08:12, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Graphic for japan-stub?