Talk:Heathman Hotel

message: * Historic Hotels of America website: http://www.historichotels.org/hotels-resorts/the-heathman-hotel/
* PdxHistory.com: http://www.pdxhistory.com/html/portland_hotels.html Maybe put in els for image
* Oregonian article: http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/09/luciano_pavarotti_who_died_at.html
* National Register of Historic Places: http://www.nps.gov/nr/
* UnitedStates.biz's Travel Guide: http://unitedstates.biz/or/portland/hotels/tn114075.html
* Puget Sound Theatre Organ Society: http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/portland/koin-radio.htm
* Portland Postcards (Heathman and New Heathman on card together): http://www.bartking.net/bartking/postcardshome.html
* Pictured at Old Heathman: http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft9f59p2k1/?docId=ft9f59p2k1&brand=jarda&layout=printable-details
* Arkiva Tropika (New Heathman's Aloha Room circa 1950s): https://web.archive.org/web/20110707162122/http://www.arkivatropika.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?item_id=195
* Arkiva Tropika (1950s Aloha Room Dinner Menu Pictured): https://web.archive.org/web/20110707162321/http://www.arkivatropika.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?item_id=219
* RIM Hospitality (Manages The Heathman): http://www.rimhospitality.com/index.php
* Hotel-Online Special Report : http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PressReleases2000_4th/Oct00_HeathmanRim.html
* Green Lodging News : http://www.greenlodgingnews.com/Content.aspx?id=1548
* Heathman Aids Historical Society : http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2005/02/28/daily3.html
* Cigar Aficionado : http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,889,00.html Out of date
* Portland Business Journal : http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2000/09/25/story7.html
===Discussion===
(Permalearning, if this was your addition, just a reminder to please log in.) First please read up on how to cite sources at WP:CITE. If you can't get the hang of the  tags, at least cite where each fact came from using an inline cite like this: , which will look like this:  at the  end of the line. I take it the above list of links is either the sources you used in the article, or perhaps some "notes to self" for follow up. Usually we don't want to have such a long list of external links, per WP:EL, since that constitutes a "linkfarm"--something we don't want on Wikipedia. See WP:NOT#LINKFARM for more information. For this article, we'd probably want a link to the hotel's official website and not much else. A popular tourist destination like this will attract lots of linkspam so keeping the external links to a minimum is a good way to discourage this. I really do urge  you to try to cite all the information in the article. Such a long article as this one is very very hard for other editors to add to when they can't check verifibility so it's best to cite all your sources from the get go. Though you've requested help bringing this up to standard, it would be very tedious for someone like me to go through all those links and cite the sources, since hopefully you remember which article you got which facts from. So if you could do that, that would be great, and then I can help with the form and style and wikification. I applaud your efforts at documenting this important Portland landmark. If we can get the citations up to standard, we have the basis for a good article candidate in the future! Let me know if you have questions. Katr67 07:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was my addition, forgot to log in, its evidently too late to be typing anymore. Sorry, I've got books and articles to cite. However, the day that I read the wikipage about citing I must have been half brain dead after work so I'm going to read it again and get to work on citations before adding any more to the article. Thanks for your help and for moving the links to the talk page instead of deleting them completely. It took me forever to get those together so I could use them to verify some of my work. Permalearning 07:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a reminder that hardly anything on Wikipedia is ever "lost". You can always retrieve info from previous versions of the article by clicking on the "diffs" in the page history. (There you can also see which editors made which edits and can read the edit summaries to find out why those edits were made. Thanks for being patient.  We do have a lot of rules, but I think it makes for a great encyclopedia. Katr67 07:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The "Aloha Room" was at the Park Heathman per an ad posted on chatboard. Great info to add to Park article but not here. Lots more to be found online due to general enthusiasm for all things tiki. Valfontis (talk) 06:27, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is still rather choppy. For one thing, I think the Heathman family info can be trimmed and integrated into the rest of the early history section. Uncited info not found in the NRHP nom is likely available in the history PDF from the hotel already used in the article. More attention should be paid to the architecture. This has come a long way! Valfontis (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: External links moved from article space

message: (Permalearning, if this was your addition, just a reminder to please log in.) First please read up on how to cite sources at WP:CITE. If you can't get the hang of the  tags, at least cite where each fact came from using an inline cite like this: , which will look like this:  at the  end of the line. I take it the above list of links is either the sources you used in the article, or perhaps some "notes to self" for follow up. Usually we don't want to have such a long list of external links, per WP:EL, since that constitutes a "linkfarm"--something we don't want on Wikipedia. See WP:NOT#LINKFARM for more information. For this article, we'd probably want a link to the hotel's official website and not much else. A popular tourist destination like this will attract lots of linkspam so keeping the external links to a minimum is a good way to discourage this. I really do urge  you to try to cite all the information in the article. Such a long article as this one is very very hard for other editors to add to when they can't check verifibility so it's best to cite all your sources from the get go. Though you've requested help bringing this up to standard, it would be very tedious for someone like me to go through all those links and cite the sources, since hopefully you remember which article you got which facts from. So if you could do that, that would be great, and then I can help with the form and style and wikification. I applaud your efforts at documenting this important Portland landmark. If we can get the citations up to standard, we have the basis for a good article candidate in the future! Let me know if you have questions. Katr67 07:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was my addition, forgot to log in, its evidently too late to be typing anymore. Sorry, I've got books and articles to cite. However, the day that I read the wikipage about citing I must have been half brain dead after work so I'm going to read it again and get to work on citations before adding any more to the article. Thanks for your help and for moving the links to the talk page instead of deleting them completely. It took me forever to get those together so I could use them to verify some of my work. Permalearning 07:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a reminder that hardly anything on Wikipedia is ever "lost". You can always retrieve info from previous versions of the article by clicking on the "diffs" in the page history. (There you can also see which editors made which edits and can read the edit summaries to find out why those edits were made. Thanks for being patient.  We do have a lot of rules, but I think it makes for a great encyclopedia. Katr67 07:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The article still contains vast swaths of unsourced text from 2007. Looking at the NRHP nom, I think a lot of the info is from there. I'll be striking out or deleting the links above as I check them, if they are either dead or not relevant. Valfontis (talk) 11:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Aloha Room" was at the Park Heathman per an ad posted on chatboard. Great info to add to Park article but not here. Lots more to be found online due to general enthusiasm for all things tiki. Valfontis (talk) 06:27, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is still rather choppy. For one thing, I think the Heathman family info can be trimmed and integrated into the rest of the early history section. Uncited info not found in the NRHP nom is likely available in the history PDF from the hotel already used in the article. More attention should be paid to the architecture. This has come a long way! Valfontis (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration and cleanup

message: Ought there not be a section on the alleged hauntings which have occurred in rooms ending in '03'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.47.169 (talk) 03:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I added mention of that people think it's haunted but haven't added any details. Valfontis (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This book that I added as a reference has details on whatever is haunted in the hotel. Also, check out whose photos are in there. Jsayre64 (talk) 18:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha! Great find! Hey , , , , and ! Valfontis (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Very cool! I'll have to add the "online source" template to these images at some point. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it looks like this kind of a situation (but, of course, he's credible). The way her book uses those quotations and Commons photos does suggest that much of it is from Wikipedia. Jsayre64 (talk) 22:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hauntings 

message: Notes for the Heathman completist--I'm not really big on pop culture references in articles, but apparently the Heathman is one of the places mentioned in the Fifty Shades of Grey series, and as such, the hotel does a Grey promo package. Very romantic, I'm sure. I shan't be adding that info to the article but someone else feel free if it seems important. The wags at WW snark about it here. I note with particular horror that the Heathman is "nestled". Valfontis (talk) 18:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifty Shades of Heathman 

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