Talk:Bruce Lee/Archive 1

message: To state it simply and bluntly, this article need a personal life section. Valoem talk 06:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: Some underlaying rules from Philosopy 101 may help to clear the air here.  First there are two types of knowledge:
*Facts - Substantiated and proven statements.  Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.
and
*Opinions - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: 
Opinions can be either be:
**Biased - To influence in a particular, typically unfair direction; prejudice. 
or
**Neutral - Belonging to neither side in a controversy: on neutral ground. 
Encyclopedic articles are a way of imparting knowledge to people who may not have formulated their own "Opinions" on a particular subject.  To not influence a reader an article should be as neutral as possible.  To do this Facts should alway prevail.  Opinions are ok as long as 
they are not biased.  If the opinion is contraversial it should be stated.
Ex.  
* Bruce Lee was born in 1940 - FACT
* Bruce Lee was the best Martial Artist in the world - OPINION
* Bruce Lee may be consider by many to be one of the world's greatest Martial Artis - OPINION with a NPOV or neutral.
Sources are likewise important from a credibility perspective.  A published book usually has more credence then say a web page because journalist usually have to list sources and those sources are usually corroborated.  Web pages on the other hand can be written by anyone at any time and can say whatever anyone wants.  No proof or corroboration is necessary; so these sources should be considered before they are used as sources.  
"If someone tells me a lie and I perpetuate that lie; Am I lying"?
Yes, But not intentionally.  So, check your sources before you believe them.
<BR>
Hope this helps
FrankWilliams 19:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Facts, Opinions, NPOV 

message: JKD can be seen as a natural evolution in Martial Artd development.  It's what Thomas Kuhn would call a paradigm shift.  It's not that Traditional Martial Arts is wrong and JKD is RIGHT.  JKD could NOT exist without traditional MA.  JKD is simply a new way at looking at MA that is perhaps more complete and maybe less restrictive.  Describing JKD as a "BREAK" from traditional MA can be a bit of a stretch because Bruce Lee did NOT begin from scratch.  He used traditional MA as a basis for his theories and concepts.  Lee has many times said that he DID NOT invent a new style but in essense reevaluated existing system to bring forth a new APPROACH.
An example of this thinking is the Paradigm shift from Newtonian Mechanics to Quantum Mechanics.  It's not that Quantum theory is correct and Newtonian theory is false it's that Quantum theory is a little more complete and can explain a bit more with respect to the subatomic world.  
FrankWilliams 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JKD and Trditional Martial Arts 

message: In the movie about him he gets a severe back injury alledgedly while "defending" his teaching of martial arts.  Did that really happen or is it just BS?
Bryan Livingston
:Thats just BS Bro,i forgot what really happend to him,somthing with a weight excersis i read,but deffenitly no fight.
:sebastiaan D. Mook
He did a back excorcize called a 'butterfly' wrong and was confined to a metal back brace for six minths. During this tie he wrote out his philosophies on the martial way.
some dude
:That's incorrect. The exercise that injured Bruce's back is known as "good mornings". It is actually an excellent back exercise, but Bruce did it without warming up and using heavier than normal weights, causing severe injury to himself. Many bodybuilders will not perform this exercise precisely because of this risk, and the fact there are other back exercise that will achieve the same results.
Back to the orignal statement: Bruce did injure his hip pretty severely after a bout with a Thai Boxer.  Bruce had essentially beaten the guy and when Bruce went to help the guy up the boxer kicked him in the hip.  Lee compensated for this injury but it was never really the same after.
FrankWilliams 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you hear/read about this event Mr. Williams?ShuckyDucky 23:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  a bad injury 

message: This quesion has been lagging at me from some time.  I've finally combed through my library and found the citation for my comment.  The information came from the Bruce Lee Jeet-June-Do club published magazine entitled "Bruce Lee His Privacy and Anecdotes" page 11.  This was an article written by the Editors of the magazine as told to them by a Mr. Chan Ah-Kam a Chinese individual living in Thailand during the early 1970's.  Apparently when Bruce Lee was filming "The Big Boss" in Thailand and still developing JKD he ran across Mr. Ah-Kam and convinced him to set up a sparring match between himself and a retired Thai-Boxing champion.  Lee was still developing and refining his JKD and wanted to see how it stacked up against his system.  Lee along with the rest of the world had heard of the martial arts prowess of Thai Boxers, so he wanted to see how he would fair.  Apparently after 14 rounds of severe punishing blows Lee ended up victorious.  
Quote From the Article: 
"As Bruce walked up to help him on his feet, the champion unexpectedly gave a kick.  Bruce rapidly turned away.  Hoever, Bruce could not entirely avoid it, the kick still hit on his waist. 
From then on Bruce's waist frequently had uncomfortable feeling.
Seeing that the result was out and the chapion had flared up, Ah-Kam divided them.  Ah-Kam also had a deep cultivation in martial arts, the two moved a few yards away when pushed by Ah-Kam.  The two saw their own mistakes.  There, Ah-Kam suggested to go to a Chinese restaurant to wash away their hatred.  They stored this experience deep down in their hearts.  No one was gonna tell anything.  Hoever, from then on, Bruce's waist frequently felt uncomfortable.
The article has the flow of truth for me based on some known knowledge:
*A.  It was well known that when Bruce was filming in Thailand that he was "out in the sticks" and had lost some weight due to poor nutrition.  Being in such a remote area; it is plausable that such an event had transpired without much documentation.  This would account for the story not being very well known.
*B.  Thailand is known their Muy Thai art which is especially brutal.
*C.  We know Bruce was skillful, knowledgable, and would rarely back down if he thought someone would pose a challenge to his martial skill.
*D.  Bruce was still developing JKD and while in Thailand and it is probable that he could not resist stacking up his JKD to their national art.
Obviously there is no way to definitely ascertainly the truthfulness of this story but it is documented in the cited text above and as far as: belief; this is left up to the reader of course.  FrankWilliams 03:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Finally

message: This is text that I removed from Martial art. I think it could be merged with the existing text to make one Bruce Lee article. Habj 22:05, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text removal/merging 

message: The article has a link to Grandmaster Yip Man Lee that redirect to Yip Man.  Where is the "Lee" come from in the link??  Kowloonese 19:42, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yip Man Lee 

message: I have added information that Bruce Lee had previously passed out, and that this was likely related to the consumption of cannabis leaves. He may have had an allergic reaction to the leaves, possibly in combination with the medicine which he took on the day he died. --Pog 16:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Lee's death 

message: Our Kung Fu article states that Bruce Lee created the concept for the series, which he wanted to call "The Warrior". Can we confirm this, and then add it to this article? Thanks, func(talk) 13:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true.  Watch the movie that was the biography of Bruce Lee, watch the biography channel, go to the Kung Fu TV series websites or read a book on his life.  If you placed the factual inaccuracy title for the Kung Fu TV question, you might want to remove it. Steelhead 03:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kung Fu (TV series)]] 

message: please have aa look at these pages, they say, that he is native Foshan. So born in Foshan before going to HK to finish school. Also he was studying Kung Fu in Foshan under his Master Yip Man
And another question is about his family name. In US he is called Lee but isn't it derived from the pinyin Li?
please have a look at these Pages:
[Chinesische page]  
[Foshan Government Describtion] --  Histery 11:04, 17.08.2005 (GMT+8)
* No, that page is mistaken. Lee was born at Jackson Street Hospital in the Chinatown area of San Francisco, California, United States of America. Lee is Cantonese and his last name should be spelled "Lee", the Cantonese variant.
*yes, bruce was born in san franscisco.  the article is mistaken and might have confused his birthplace with foshan because his family ancestry is from jun'an, shunde, in foshan (something like his grandfather or something was from there)
*I may be able to shed some light on the possible source of such error.  I don't know if it is still a common practice nowadays. But when our generation (read Bruce's) grew up in Hong Kong, instead of our birthplace, we have to report our jiguan in school and government documents.  Jiguan (籍貫) literally means record's links, or practically means where our father came from.  I beleive since ancient China, families needed to register where they lived with the government, such records of families are called huji (戶籍).  One can trace the origin of one's ancestors through this kind of links.  For example, Bruce's birth place is San Francisco, but he would report his jiguan as Fushan. One can then go to Fushan and dig up the record of Bruce's father.  On his father's record, one would find where Bruce grandfather came from and so forth.  This kind of links were important before the computer age.  Nowadays, a centralized database may be able to produce a family genealogy with a click of a button.  But back then, you had to know where to look for the next record up the chain.  It is possible that somewhere down the line, jiguan was translated erroneously as birthplace by someone who don't understand Chinese traditions, and hence the confusion.  Perhaps someone can start an article on the concept of jiguan. Kowloonese 19:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Lee (Bruce Li) was born in [[Foshan]] // Familiy Name Lee (pinyin:  Li ?) 

message: Do the article need another section on Bruce Lee's nutrition ?
: I think it can go under the current training and fitness section unless it becomes too large. Shawnc 02:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nutrition? 

message: Fire Star , cite your sources before reverting or editing the article. Your version is very POV. Wheres your evidence? Wheres your proof? Where is your source? My proof is below, which you deleted in your version of the article. 
Sources:
* 
* Chronology of Bruce Lee's life
* The Bruce Lee Foundation
* Information on Bruce Lee's Training Methods
* FAQ about Bruce Lee's martial arts
* TIME 100 article on Bruce Lee
* Bruce Lee's Gung Fu Essays
Read ALL of this BEFORE EDITING THE ARTICLE.
: Several suggestions: it helps to post under a fixed user name and sign discussion posts using ~~~~. Write explanations for edits to avoid being dismissed. When adding tags such as  and , it helps to discuss them here as well. Attach links and footnotes after specific statements in the article to receive stronger support. Phrases such as "To re-emphasize", "very close" are a little strong for an article. Shawnc 02:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATTN: Fire Star [[CITE YOUR SOURCE]] before Reverting 

message: Can someone give reasons/evidence before reverting the article?
:First off, it is helpful to sign your messages here so that it is easier to see who we are talking to. Second, I'm not adding any info (beyond the Yuen Wah sentence, and my source is Jackie Chan's autobiography) so I don't have a need for sources to cite. What I am doing is keeping the editorial tone neutral. Some people are BIG Bruce fans, others are not. To avoid the page becoming a Bruce Shrine, or an attack page, we should have dry entries that stick to the non-controversial documented facts. Paragraphs implying Bruce had a bigger figurative dick than Chuck Norris aren't encyclopaedic, in that sense. I wouldn't mention Jackie Chan's story of Sammo Hung kicking a prima donna Bruce around on a movie set for the same reasons. Also, there are those who say that Bruce didn't leave Yip Man's school, but that he was kicked out. We avoid the controversy by simply saying that he didn't finish the curriculum, a statement that both sides agree on. Nobody owns this article, and as we say in our disclaimer; If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. I hope this helps. Fire Star 16:51, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone should sign each message, because anonymous posts are typically perceived as being less credible in online (or any other) communities. Personally I try to add footnotes to potentially controversial statements, and I encourage others to do the same. Shawnc 01:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any reasons for reverting 

message: (  <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000045/bio>  Do command Find (F) for macs, "german". This is one of many sources, if you google "german" and "bruce lee" in quotations you will find many others.  I have studied Bruce Lee, and this info is in all of his Bio's.  I could find no other way to send this to you, so i am just putting it in the text) 
:I found one unsourced reference to his perhaps having German grandparents on a google search. Anyone else know anything about this? --Fire Star 20:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lee was born November 27, 1940, the son of Lee Hoi Chuen, a well known comic actor and a member of the ensemble cast of the 99-episode Wong Fei Hong series that launched modern Hong Kong filmmaking. His mother, Grace, was a Shanghainese transplant who had been raised a Catholic, and was the daughter of a German father and a Chinese mother." from Jeff Yang, et al. "Eastern Standard Time: A Guide to Asian Influence on American Culture". Boston/New York: Meridian/Houghton Mifflin, 1997. p. 95. Shawnc 13:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  German grandparents? 

message: Does everyone like the amount of lyrics being included from the song "1127"? It seems a little much to me. Shawnc 04:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics inclusion 

message: This is a controversial page that reads well, so I dont want to mess with it.
Someone should add that Bosnia has erected a statue of Bruce Lee as a symbol of Racial Diversity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4474316.stm
Hong Kong is also erecting one, but its quite notable that Bosnia has one. Thanks
::Odd. What does Bruce Lee have to do with Bosnia? Hamilton burr 21:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm from Serbia, which is (probably you know) just east across river Drina of Bosnia. From what I've heard people of Mostar consider Bruce Lee to be a simbol of righteousness, justice, a simbol how one man can face many an win it, and a kind of simbol how Bruce Lee stood above his own nationality and race to become a global hero. It's interesting to note that Bruce Lee has almost a cult folowing among Gypsies in region. There's a quite popular folk song among them about Bruce Lee, which you can hear now and then.--RockyMM 20:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bosnia 

message: We need to source the quotes by Lee's associates and friends. Shawnc 13:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referenced quotes 

message: Please refer to Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context for a guide on wikifying words in the article.  Too many words have been wikified despite being linked earlier. "What should not be linked: Words that have been linked earlier in the article. This advice follows the standard practice of defining or explaining a term, or spelling out an acronym, on its first occurrence in a text and not subsequently." This goes to words such as "martial arts", "martial artists" and so on. Shawnc 05:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikifying 

message: Prove These READ these SOURCES before Writing ANYTHING. Cite your sources.
Sources about Bruce Lee humiliating Chuck Norris
The following story is Completely True:
At a demonstration in Long Beach, Chuck Norris met the soon to be famous Bruce Lee, who would ingrain Norris in martial arts history forever with his portrayal as Bruce Lee's nemesis in the Way of the Dragon. 
Sources for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_International_Karate_Championships
But while the two were publicly friendly, contrary to what many (including Norris himself) state, they were not close friends. Lee had repeatedly humiliated Norris during a mock sparring session in the hotel hallway at the Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. And Norris had offended Lee when he publicly claimed to be a better fighter than Lee. When word got back to Lee, he called Norris and openly challenged him, threatening to drive to his school to fight (Norris was teaching his black belt class at that time). According to eye witnesses, Lee made Norris hold the phone receiver up and shout in front of his black belts, "Bruce Lee is a better fighter than me!" Later, Norris wrote an Apologetic Letter to Lee; the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto currently still owns the Letter of Apology that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee, which is in a Long Beach Dojo. Yet despite these conflicts, the two managed to set aside any differences in pursuit of their mutual film aspirations and develop a friendly public persona toward one another. 
If you PROOF that the story is true, then read ALL These SITES:
Sources:
* http://www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php
* http://www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420
* http://www.answers.com/topic/chuck-norris
* http://www.earwaks.com/forum/fpost42979.html
* http://www.gotohoroscope.com/celebrities/metal-dragon-C.html
* http://www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/archive/index.php/t-9659.html
* http://forum DOT bodybuilding DOT com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7750&cpage=4&limit=views
* http://www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/showthread.php?t=9659
* http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-32795.html
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.247.76.117 (talk • contribs) .
: Please see Talk:Chuck Norris for a response on the matter. Shawnc 13:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources about [[Bruce Lee]] humiliating [[Chuck Norris]] 

message: This statement was posted: "Bruce's last movie Enter the Dragon was made for a modest $600,000 in 1973. To date, Enter the Dragon has grossed over $300,000,000." and a "IMDB" reference was given. But IMDB.com does not give this number. Instead, the statement, as in others, was copied from bruceleedivinewind.com, a fansite, which apparently got the number from a Joe Lewis dialogue: "Joe Lewis:  Bruce Lee told me that he wanted to prove to the world that the Chinese martial artists were superior to all the other races, the Koreans, the Japanese, and in particular, the Caucasians. At that  time, no one knew that "Enter the Dragon" was going to become a major $300,000,000 mega film. My advisors told me not to do martial arts  films period."  In this context, "$300m" seems to be an exaggeration/joke, and should not be used as a reference for the movie's actual revenue.  
According to the following references, Enter the Dragon is not in the list of $300m+ films, or rather not in the list at all: List of top-grossing movies in the United States and Canada, boxofficemojo.com, the-movie-times.com Shawnc 13:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enter the Dragon grossing 

message: On List of Influences, there should be a link to Jiddu Krishnamurti, a contemporary philosopher Lee read aggressively.  I never quite understood Lee's philosophy writings 'til I read Krishnamurti in school, and they're exactly the same on many levels.  I wrote the Lee Estate, and they confirmed it, that Krishnamurti was one of Lee's favorite authors and a major influence on him. Mrcolj 14:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone deleted my list of Krishnamurti on list of influential people, without discussing it here.  No one who has studied Bruce Lee would have deleted that.  Someone give me a pro or con before you do something like that.  --Mrcolj 18:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Krishnamurti probably should top that list. If the not, the list is a ridiculous compilation of personal favorites and should be trashed.--ShuckyDucky 18:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jiddu Krishnamurti 

message: The link that had been there for Joe Lewis goes to a page about a British soccer player by that name. The current link goes to the boxer Joe Louis. I do not know of any connection between Bruce Lee and Joe Louis. The martial artist Joe Lewis is surely the person intended. The name should not be internally linked until there is a Joe Lewis page here. JJL 15:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Lewis/Joe Louis 

message: 1) "Explode" means "a sudden increase in volume and release of energy in a violent manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases".  Please don't use this technical word.
2) Coburn mentioned 1 bag, not 2 or more; the noun should be bag not bags.
3) A kick is a kick, no need for a peacock word like "simple".
Shawnc 23:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coburn comment on bag 

message: We know Bruce was influential and that he opened up interest in Chinese martial arts in the west, but the claims of perfection, assertions of motive and hero worship that keep popping up are still not appropriate for this (or any) article. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies). --Fire Star 08:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)]] 

message: None of the footnotes link seems to work.  Who put them in?  and who screwed them up?  Kowloonese 19:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They work for me though. Have you tried a different browser? Shawnc 06:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also got the response when I clicked on those links.  I meant it seems to jump to some random place.  Besides, there seem to be  few dozens of footnote links in the article and only a dozen actual footnote near the bottom.  That was what I meant by not workking.  Kowloonese 19:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbered bullets have been removed because they didn't match the template-generated reference numbers. Some reference materials are used for multiple statements. Shawnc 11:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: I've reverted the most recent spate of edits as they remove some info from the article, are mostly unsourced and seem geared to present Bruce as a tough guy. It would be just as easy to say that he was a child of privilege, but we can't put that in the article, either. --Fire Star 05:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize in advance, but some of the kids in my school have a 'Chuck Norris' obsession and wrongfully edited Bruce Lee's article. Although it would block me from editing at school as well, I think this IP (216.169.169.126) should be blocked from editing Wikipedia articles in the future. --Hieros 20:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's OK, we get a relatively high volume of vandalism on this and many other sensational, controversial or high traffic articles. A few edits from one school isn't enough to permanently block an IP address. If it gets really bad we can block for a day or so. Regards, --Fire Star 19:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: A new referencing format is being implemented. Please observe the new examples in the article or refer to this page for guidance. Shawnc 03:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new referencing format 

message: This section needs to be updated or removed. The two articles it references (which claim that a CGI film of the game "Dragon Warrior" would star a digitized "resurrected" Bruce Lee) are from 2001. Was the film ever completed? A brief check of IMDB seems to imply that no such film was ever released. (My theory is that they were expecting the Final Fantasy movie to begin a phenomenon, and they planned to ride on the coattails of that phenomenon - which never occurred.) This should probably be relegated to a bit of trivia, or deleted entirely. --IQpierce 05:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the section CG resurrection, I can understand it's deletion. It remains a curious episode that people may want to find out more about. I remember seeing a trailer for this film (and it looked pretty good), so some footage was done. I certainly would like to know what happened to it.--Darrelljon 20:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CG resurrection 

message: Jesse Glover: "[...] We timed him with an electric timer once, and Bruce's quickest movements were around five hundredths of a second, his slowest were around eight hundredths. [...]"
Now, there is somewhere a mistake. Either his quickest time or slowest time. 1/500 is bigger than 1/800, thus making no sense when speaking of speed. A eight hundreths of a second is definetly faster than five hundreths. Hope someone can change this.
:Actually I believe you would read it as .05, which is smaller than .08 (of a second).--ShuckyDucky 20:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe your math is off a bit.  Five hundreths of a second does not mean 1/500, it would be .05 divided into 1 or 1/20.  More appropiate explanation would be: the cake is a whole 100% or a 1, just as the clock-second is a whole 1, subsets of the seconds are tenths and hundreths.  Most stopwatches measure up to 99 minutes and out to the hundreth of a second(99:99.99).  If you start the watch it counts UP starting at the hundreths.  Thus 10 hundreths is 1 tenth(00:00.10) of 1 second.  10 tenths is a full 1 second.  The qoute is a direct qoute and it is the conventional way to say it. I don't know of any other way you would say that.  "My 40-yard dash was three hundreths of a second faster than yours!"  I'm not sure of how else to explain other than to look up basic arithmetic rules. ShuckyDucky 02:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  error in the feat section 

message: (I've not figured out how to link internally to a section yet, sorry, it's very late, I hope no one minds)
At the end of this section there's a segment on Bruce Lee's bout vs a 'young british boxing champion', shouldn't there at least be some kind of source or credentials for this (who is this boxer, what is his name, what is he a champion of)?
-JonathanWalsh 01:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I did not add that to the article, I do recall reading somewhere the bout was a school function.  I don't remember it mentioning anything about him fighting a 'champion'.  I would think unless you went to the school he attended in Hong Kong, you would not get an accurate source for it. - ShuckyDucky 01:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That is a fact. The information comes from The Bruce Lee Story. Take a look at the authors before questioning it. I have read the book myself and it seems very reliable. 71.124.114.26 01:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The original question is why isn't sourced?  Why not?  Instead of making a statement that is not helpful in any way, source it!  This article is rife with inaccuracies and bloated with unneeded info.  If someone can make a dent into fixing this article FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT BRUCE LEE than I commend you.  Rather this article seems to be used by fans of Bruce Lee who would rather idolize him than put factual info into it! -- ShuckyDucky 01:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter who the authors are if the book isn't listed as a source + we still need the name of this 'champion'. Can't just trust someone saying he's a champ, because even good people pass on false information every now and then
-JonathanWalsh 00:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright, baby steps.  A misunderstanding has led you to make two assertions and ask two questions.  First, no one states the information is false.  Again, I will re-state the question.  Why is it not sourced?  Perhaps my statements earlier are misleading, but then again I do not have access to the book and thus a proper source.  You could source it, couldn't you?  The second assertion you make is about 'the top three Brue Lee books of all time'.  This is an example of a highly non-neutral point of view.  You are entitled to your opinion, as they say, as long as this opinion does not effect an encylopedic article.  In any case this is a moot point.  Last, the two questions you asked are due to your misunderstanding.  None the less they are also highly fallacious, and I would say that you should try a more productive line of reasoning.  Is this all clear? Now how about a source? -- ShuckyDucky 04:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok I've found this: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000045/bio and http://www.wingchun.com/ROLF.htm so at least now we have a name - Gary Elms. Maybe some more details would be nice, but hm, if anyone feels like editing this in it would be nice (I don't have much wikicode knowledge and dont want to rdestroy anything!).
-JonathanWalsh 01:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh hehe, well, maybe he was something like school champion and it got exaggerated into national champion, or maybe he was just a regular joe like Lee himself was at the time.
-85.224.96.165 11:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce vs "British Boxing Champion" 

message: Deleted the so called list.  The list seemed to be a compilation of personal favorites thereby making it highly non-neutral(see Jiddu Krishnamurti above).  Regardless, this list either had inaccurate and unsourced info or just plain repeated information thereby wikified this article(also see above).ShuckyDucky 17:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Influential People 

message: Lee came up with JKD after he fought Wong, not before. When he fought Wong he was mostly a Wing Chun practitioner. Source: "...Bruce Lee fans...may argue that the outcome would have been different had the two battled a few years after Lee had developed his own style, Jeet Kune Do." 
The section is also filled with mostly pro-Lee POVs. Shawnc 02:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wong Jack Man and Jeet Kune Do 

message: Why is there no info on how Bruce Lee got superstar status in Hong Kong with Big Boss, Fists of Fury etc. I think there should be a section on his movie career.Shakirfan 23:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Lee's movie career 

message: Why did the film Bruce Lee: The Man the Myth get cut?  It's a film starrin Bruce Lee.
: No need to ask the question twice.  The film does not star Bruce Lee, it is about him.  Does not belong in his Filmography, was moved to the Documentary section.  What should be included in the Filmography section is the other films he starred in as a child.  Do you have a list of these?
:: I can confirm that Sifu Lee didn't star in that film...it wasn't even weird one like Game of Death where they cut bits of all his other films to make a beginning and middle bit of the film as he had already made the ending before his death. As far as I know he started in a lot of dramas and had small roles in films...mostly playing delinquent teens...or am I thinking of James Dean? :) JEBenson 23:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: Hi I added that Sifu Lee had been reported as using cow's blood to increase appetite...I'm 99.9% sure I read this in one of his books maybe in Tao of Jeet Kwando but can someone else please confirm this. Thanks :) JEBenson 23:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in any of his books i've read. Not in Tao of JKD either. Sounds like nonsense.Wikidudeman 14:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nutrition - Cow's Blood 

message: I find the following statement a little strange:
:Bruce's Cantonese given name, 振藩 (Jun Fan Cantonese: Janfàan Pinyin: Zhènfán), literally means "invigorate San Francisco."
Doesn't 振藩 literally mean "shake the fence"?
-Adjusting 19:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reinvigorating San Francisco? 

message: Much of the new content appears to be from older versions, eg. "Many who witnessed the fight believed Lee had won the duel." The weasel term "many" implies a majority point of view which is unsourced and is therefore POV. The phrase "for unknown reasons" is unnecessarily speculative and was already removed from the Wong Jack Man article. Also, again, Lee came up with JKD after he fought Wong; see the "Wong Jack Man and Jeet Kune Do" section above. This means the "Beyond Jeet Kune Do" title is erroneous. Also, the sentence "However, Lee did not agree with this account" is unsourced: there is no citation which states that Lee specifically denied Wong's claim about the alleged open challenge to all martial artists. NPOV-minded editors should make the necessary changes. Shawnc 06:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to restate that on the 19th of December there was a major revert edit of the article.  Furthermore I've noticed that this page is trolled to often for NPOV-minded editors to make necessary changes, like the simple fact that Lee's Filmography and Acting career spanned his whole life and not just the last 5 years. - ShuckyDucky 20:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up needed 

message: I have taken the issue to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Categorization of Bruce Lee as "Chinese". Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your most notable contribution to this 'discussion' which has yet to take off due to your refusal to provide sources for your expressed views has been to call other editors "racist" for not agreeing with you. In this view, your repeated references to talk page are a mockery of WP dispute resolution procedure, and nothing but a thinly disguised attempts at asserting yourself by an edit war. You are not seriously interested in solving the dispute by arguments. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Either you are unwilling or unable to understand that simply asserting things is not enough on WP. Read Wikipedia:Verifiability# Burden of evidence and provide evidence. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Undefeatedcooler, regardless of how much you believe in your side of this dispute, you will not engage in personal attacks on other users again. You should have had several warnings by now having read your contributions. Secondly, previous content in the article, or any other Wikipedia article, is not a reliable source. You can't cite Wikipedia because, paradoxically, Wikipedia does not trust itself. If you can provide external, reliable sources to support your side of the argument then that is fine, but as of yet I can't see a single external link to such a source in your posts. Please do so. Thank you. SGGH ping! 09:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Undefeatedcooler, shifting the burden of evidence does not work. Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence explicitly states that 
The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. 
And I hereby challenge your material. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Both of you are heading ito Wikipedia:3RR territory.  Bring this to the talk page and let's discuss it, but do so coherently so people can understand it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It already long here (Talk:Bruce Lee#Lead and categories), but we have made not one bit of progress due to Undefeatedcoller's refusal to play by WP guidelines. So, to repeat myself: For the categories I would like to see either a Wikipedia guideline which allows also entries on the basis of ethnicity, or, if the exclusive criteria is nationality, a reference to a solid source about Lee being a Chinese, that is PRCh citizen. You listed him as Chinese, you provide the proof. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notification 

message: Substituted at 20:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment