Talk:Andriy Shevchenko

message: Andriy Shevchenko is a common Ukrainian name. There are several famous people that have it (Andriy Shevchenko - the vice president of Ukraininan National Television Company (journalist) and Andriy Sevchenko - reporter of 1+1 TV channel). I propose to change the title of the article - Andriy Shevchenko (footballer - or soccer player), and to put a "disambiguation" on the page "Andriy Shevchenko"
Sakura-org 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Name 

message: He's announced he wants to leave AC milan today, so I'm putting it up... Tempted to put a current event tag on it but doesn't really need it.
: can this be deleted now? i'm not sure if i should because is a talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Numberwang (talk • contribs) 22:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer Speculation

message: It i stated in the introductory paragraph that shevchenko is the "second-highest goal scorer of all-time in European club competitions with 57 goals, behind only Gerd Müller.[1]"
doest the 57 refer to goals scored in a single season or what? Müller scored more than 350 in his career with ac milan.  please explain what this number is supposed to mean.
67.173.83.220 19:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 57 refers to the number of goals he's scored in European club competitions (ie the UEFA Champions League/European Cup). SteveO 19:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  57? i don't understand is number exactly refers to.  

message: I'd like to clear this up. The article states that "Andriy", his name, pronounced the same way in Russian and Ukrainian. But that's not true. In Russian, his name is pronounced "Andrey", while in Ukrainian it would be "iy" at the end... The pronounciation is different in the two languages. Correctly, Shevchenko's name should be Andriy because he is Ukrainian. However Shevchenko is from a Russian-speaking community in Ukraine and pronounces his name Andrei while still spelling it Andriy (it doesn't make much sense). That causes the confusion, but Skysports probably writes his name the most correct way for his pronounciation (the russian pronounciation). Definitly the article shouldn't say that the name is pronounced the same in both languages. Xioyux 21:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it says that his last name (ie Shevchenko) is pronounced the same way in Russian and Ukrainian, which is correct Dkua 22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ohhh, sorry! Xioyux 23:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First name pronounciation 

message: The back-and-forth edits about Shevchenko's place of birth being either the Ukraine or the Soviet Union have gotten so frequent that I've protected this page instead of issuing a spate of 3RR blocks. There needs to be a discussion here about what the article should say, and a consensus needs to be reached. I misunderstood the nature of the argument when I posted above; it's clear that the problem here is a semantic one.
REMEMBER: If you have a personal axe to grind, then this is not the place to do it. Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox. I will help to moderate the discussion here, because I am knowledgeable about soccer and I frankly couldn't care less if the article said Ukraine or USSR. Article protection expires in one week; if a resolution is not reached by then, then I'll open an RFC. A Traintalk 21:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite amazing that an attack by anonymous individuals on one of the more active articles should lead to a ban on registered users making useful changes. Of course in the heat of their frantic activity they couldn't care less that the article actually requires quite a bit of attention and honest editing. A little investigations could actually lead one to believe that the attack was co-ordinated (the said individuals have similar interest profiles i.e. Serbian affairs) Dkua 22:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you disagree with my protecting the article, there's no need to be so sarcastic. I'm happy to lower the protection level to semi-protect for now. Next time, just ask. A Traintalk 22:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't mean to sound sarcastic, just thought it was harsh. Dkua 22:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Since everyone disagreed with the anonymous edit-warrior, semi-protection should have stopped the edit war, but Zvonko decided to keep it going. If you read all the arguments previously presented on the talk page, you will probably find the arguments for Ukraine are more convincing. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, not everyone. I disagreed with DDima's April 3 edit and reverted back to USSR on April 5. Similar instances have occurred in other articles (see here, for example). Dudesleeper ·  Talk 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected because of birthplace edit war 

message: If a footballer was born in Singapore in 1964, and played for the Singapore national football team for 10 years, do you think it would be ridiculous for the article to list Malaysia as his place of birth? Doing so would confuse and mislead readers. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You keep doubting the credentials of the readers of Wikipedia. I think they'd prefer facts over what things should be, which is what the current distorting of information amounts to. - Dudesleeper ·  Talk 14:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question to Zvonko, Dudesleeper and the anonymous user. 

message: i've moved the armani part into private life, and the golden ball part into the a.c milan section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Numberwang (talk • contribs) 22:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing the trivia section 

message: We have a line that says he went to Chelsea partly in order to "learn English", which suggests to me he doesn't know much of it yet, but someone added a trivia item saying that he is already "fluent" in the language. Which of these is correct? —Resurgent insurgent 2007-05-09 23:06Z
:i think it was more about his chidren learning english.--Numberwang 10:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that when he came to Chelsea he was not fluent, but was looking forward to learning it. Miles Blues 19:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English proficiency 

message: I note that the infobox was recently edited by User:Palffy to remove his appearances for Ukraine's youth team with the edit summary: (I've never heard of Ukraine (Youth)....senior caps and goals only...)
As the player Manual of Style clearly includes international appearances at  under-16 level should this edit not be reverted? Daemonic Kangaroo 19:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have several issues with that edit. Leaving it at Ukraine (Youth) is completely unacceptable--a distinction between the various age levels must be made and properly sourced (many sources exist for Shevas senior NT record..). Secondly, as far as I'm aware, whenever an U-18 or an U-21 player gets his first cap for the main squad, then his youth record is typically erased in place of his senior team record. Lastly, it was never discussed to include the youth AND the senior team record on the infobox (so for instance if you personally do source the youth caps/goals and put them in proper format, I will formally bring up the matter on the WikiProject Football board as to whether the youth caps are in fact necessary). If you are interested as to how the youth record appeared on the template, it happened in this edit and as far as I can tell, this addition came out of the blue, either to give an example that youth records are allowed in such an infobox for youth players or that they are allowed for all players, including those that have appeared in the senior squad. --Palffy 19:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  National youth team appearances 

message: Dudesleeper, you cannot deny that Andriy Shevchenko was born in the Ukrainian SSR. Why are you deleting it? We try stick to specifics in Wikipedia and Ukrainian SSR implies the Soviet Union. --Boguslav (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian SSR 

message: He is the third-highest goalscorer in the history of European club competition with 60, behind Gerd Müller and Filippo Inzaghi.[1]. This information is out of date. Can someone fix it? 77.86.120.186 (talk) 22:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: goalscorer in the history of European club competition

message: Please don't update his page until it is official. Several news sites have only reported that there are rumors going around. This isn't conclusive nor does it mean that an agreement has been made. Gcarini (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, as much as I love the history he had with Milan and as much as I'm a Milan fan, he's not a player with Milan. Please stop editing this page and making this revision. At least he's not yet. If it happens officially, then post it. Gcarini (talk) 09:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The transfer is now true. However, what you write (madchester) is true. I assume he will have no problem passing the physical, but you never know. However, it should only be updated until made clear on this website: http://www.lega-calcio.it/ita/trasferimenti08090.shtml (this is where official transfers are posted) Gcarini (talk) 06:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC Milan loan? 

message: According to this page he acted (will be acting?) in a russian/ukranian movie, is that correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.71.50 (talk) 09:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography?! 

message: This article has a lot of unsourced goal tallys. That's why I added the ref-improve tag. --Ysangkok (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced numbers 

message: Reference 25 seems to be linking to the wrong page. The link redirects me to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-1590582/Smaller-companies-report-Thursday-close.html. I guess this is the correct link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-400887/The-30-million-man.html
I don't seem to be able to edit existing references, so I'm writing here to make you guys aware of this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.16.20 (talk) 21:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the report of the error. I have made the change for you. Keith D (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link #25 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

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