Talk:Aang/Archive 1

message: But where is it comming from(  abook or so) --195.85.191.218
: Where is what coming from?  The series itself? --Crisu 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: According to google trends, Zuko is more searched for than Aang Sokka and Katara. Aang comes in second, with Katara in third.71.232.171.189 22:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tidbit: Most searched for 

message: You shouldn't say he has no hair, you should say his head is shaved. Mace Windu (Star Wars) has no hair, but they stated that his head is shaved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.4.79.82 (talk • contribs)  07:28, 18 July 2006  (UTC)
:If his head is shaved, why has none of his hair ever grown back? Why have we never seen him shave it? H2P 18:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue of whether or not most Airbenders are naturally bald or just continually shave (if this is the case, Aang must be doing this off-screen), but either way, Aang does indeed have "no hair" on his head, so I don't see a problem with that wording. Prototime 19:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Prototime, ‘no hair’ is covering both ‘naturally bald’ and ‘shaven’. ~ c. tales *talk* 21:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Hair 

message: I was just wondering if Aang has become a waterbending master?  Katara mentioned in "Bitter Work" that he has the reflexed of a waterbending master.  Does this mean he's mastered it?
:I don't think so, the context in that episode didn't really seem suggest that. He probably is pretty close to mastery, though.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to get promoted to the status of master. Just because Aang has the reflexes of a waterbending master doesn't mean he is one. If it isnt explicitly stated in the show or on the website, we can't just assume things. Bagpipeturtle 03:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember the Airbending monks?  When a pupil reached master status in Airbending, they got the arrow-shaped tatoos on their bodies, or, at least that's what our article says.  What's to say that the Water Tribe doesn't have a similar mark of mastery? Kochdude388 13:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Again, somebody has to give him the title of master. Nobody has. -Dylan0513 00:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: "A thought" is not how Wikipedia works, I'm afraid.  You're giving your opinion, which Wikipedia frowns upon.  I welcome you to join us below to discuss Aang's Position Field.  I would like to hear your reasons for including links to each of the Bending Arts.  Since there is no clear cut answer to whether Aang is a "Waterbending Master" or whether Aang is a Firebender that does not violate NPOV, we felt that stating simply that Aang is the Avatar is sufficient as his position.  Clearly you disagree, and so I would like your input.  Please discuss this matter below before making another edit. Harukaze 15:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mastered Waterbending? 

message: whats does aang's name mean? there is a chinese charcter for it i'm just curious what it means.Angelofdeath275 18:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  name meaning? 

message: May I suggest we change the main picture.  All of the other characters have updated pictures that show them in season 2 but Aang's picture is still the same.  I know he hasn't changed his appearance, but he has definetly matured over the series and it would be appropriate to show a better picture of him from season 2.    -Wrestle593
:Not a bad thought, but I'm not sure which to use. Personally, I'd think the best would be something showing the darker, brooding side of him that's emergered. One showing him doing advanced Water and/or Earthbending could also be good.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to get rid of this one anyway, it's not sourced. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I doubt it's a good pic since it looks like a drawing before the series actually started (note the difference in the facial features). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably best to wait until season three starts, see if we can get a high quality shot of him with hair.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: There are already good pictures of Aang with hair out there, can we change it now? 201.37.26.20 22:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  change of picture? 

message: Do these characters really need their own sections under the Relationships header? I mean, they only appeared in one episode, probably never will again, and had no real lasting effect on the plot.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meng and Koko 

message: As you can plainly see, Aang's page has had those two stickers at the top saying the thing needs some major cleaning up. The thing is, I'm not exactly sure how to go about it. The other character pages seem to just have a great deal more information than this one and aren't too different in any other respects. Anyone got some really good suggestions? Y BCZ 22:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I don't really agree with the either of them, now that I look into it. The article seems to be in the proper context to me. What I really think they need is just some pruning. Many of the character descriptions have basicly become summaries of everything the character does from episode to episode, and that needs to change.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major problems with the page 

message: Call me crazy, but seeing that the Avatar Spirit is a part of Aang, it probubly should be here instead of being a minor charchter. The only place i can see it fitting is under "family" though. Cnriaczoy42 19:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heck, the Avatar State doesn't even need to be there. I figure it should just be deleted, as it's covered pretty well here already. Y BCZ 19:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the article again, iw would go under avatar (stupid me), but it is covered well enough except for a picture perhaps Cnriaczoy42 19:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Under Zuko's relationship description with Aang it states that he and Iroh could be Aang's firebending teachers. Though this is the most likely situation there is no actual facts backing it up. That is simply an opinion. Anyone could be Aang's firebending teacher so that sentence does not really have much merit. I suggest it should be deleted. Anyone agree?
:It should never be there. Whenever you see it feel free to remove it on the grounds that it is speculation. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuko 

message: In The Guru, I'm not sure of what Guru Pathik actually called the seven parts of the body which must be released (the four elemental parts: Earth, water, fire, air, plus the throat, the sixth one, and earthly attachments), and to control the Avatar State.  I have them down as gathiks for the time being.  Is that right?  If not, can someone change it to make it correct? Kochdude388 02:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Guru 

message: Alright, the finale's ending was downright evil, especially for we, the editors bent on keeping only factual information in the Avatar articles. Unfortunately even I'm not sure what to make of the end of Crossroads of Destiny. Aang enters the Avatar State, allowing the seventh chakra to flow and separating him from worldy connections (Katara). However, Azula strikes him down, and the symbolic representation of Aang conquering the seventh chakra collapses around him. I'm almost certain we're going to have to say that it's not certain what this means- Kataangers'll rampage on us if we say outright that Aang has let go of Katara, and for another thing we really don't know for sure what this means for the upcoming season.
What do you guys think? Y BCZ 02:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I saw the glow happen when he was revived, so we know the Avatar reincarnation cycle/Avatar State is not dead. Maybe they'll pull a Buffy and have another Avatar walking around in the Water Tribes. Though I doubt it. I just want people to leave the pages alone for a bit so we can have a chance to EDIT THEM. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curse you, writers, leaving so much open to speculation... 

message: What's with 'Justin'? Seeing no proof, I went ahead and deleted it. 67.172.125.13 18:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the look of it, just random idiocy, nothing to worry about.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Justin' 

message: Has anyone noticed the fact that Aang and the rest of the airbenders are/were reminiscent of Tibetan Monks? One dead giveaway (which I just added) is explained in the trivia section:
:In "The Storm," it was shown that the four toys Aang chose that determined his destiny are a turtle (Water), a string-powered propeller (Air), a Hog-Monkey (Earth) and a drum (Fire). This is the same procedure a child must go through in order to be recognized as the reincarnation of a Tulku Lama in Tibetan Buddhism. According to the book Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Neel, “A number of objects such as rosaries, ritualistic implements, books, tea-cups, etc., are placed together, and the child must pick out those which belonged to the late tulku, thus showing that he recognizes the things which were his in his previous life.
Tulku Lamas reincarnate as many times as they see fit. This is very similar to Aang’s situation. There are a lot more similarities between airbenders and Tibetan Buddhists, but I can’t think of any right now as I just got home from work (9pm – 5am). (Ghostexorcist 11:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thing, Aang's teacher, Monk Gyatso, has a Tibetan name. As it says on the List_of_Avatar: The Last Airbender minor secondary characters page, 'Gyatso' (the Tibetan word for 'ocean') is the name given to each incarnation of the Dalai Lama when he takes the position."(Ghostexorcist 22:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tibet 

message: I know it says grey and even in a bunch of pics. from book 1 he has grey, but they seem to be brown now (see the drill at the part when the camra zooms on aang's eyes while fighting azula). I could be seeing it differently, but what does everyone else think? Momoroxmysoxoff 18:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm.....kinda hard to tell with that one... and that one could just be the weird lighting. So let's try the finale, shall we?  Ah, that looks grey enough, don't you think? The thing to remember about reflective objects that are white or similar hue is that they tend to shift color more easily based on the light that hits them. If you've ever looked at a very shiny golden or silvery object, you've probably seen this happen.Y BCZ 21:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That's been bugging me for the longest time! Momoroxmysoxoff 00:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it has to do with the element he's bending. Heavyccasey 03:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pure speculation. It's just reflections off of other objects around him. It's the same thing with how people say "that shirt really brings out the color of your eyes." It's because the shirt is reflecting off your eyes and making them look brighter. His eyes don't change color, they just reflect. Bagpipeturtle 22:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye Color 

message: The article has this as an alias, isn't it more of nickname? And isn't an alias a name you pass off as your own to hide your true idendity?--Editmonkey 06:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess if that's the case then it shouldn't be there. But why would aliases be in the template instead of nicknames? -Dylan0513 14:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because with aliases some (non-observant) people might not be able to tell that Bonzu Pippenpaddleopsokololis the third (or however it's spelled) was Aang. With nicknames, it's kind of common knowledge. maybe. Should there be a nicknames section? Enough people have nicknames (Aang, Katara, Zuko, et cetera), maybe it should be added to the template. Bagpipeturtle 22:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The whole Pippenpaddleopsokopolis thing should stay...Aang and Katara used them as their real names to get past the guards of the Earth Kingdom, so they're aliases. Same as how Zuko called himself "Lee" and his uncle "Mushi". Nicknames aren't used this way, they're simply ways of addressing a person if you already know their real name. Y BCZ 23:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pippenpaddlewhatever was only used for one episode, and it was more for comedic effect than an actual alias.  If Aang were to have been using that as a real assumed name, he would have made it more believable, like Zuko and Iroh (Lee/Junior and Mushi)'s in most of Season/Book 2.  As for Twinkletoes, that's a nickname, and there's not really enough for any of the other characters, is there?  Unless you wanted to add 'Zuzu', to Zuko's page... Kochdude388 23:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkletoes 

message: Since when does Aang moves in superhuman speeds? Does that have something do to with minimazing the wind resistence or something? 201.17.63.235 17:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorie 

message: This is just a personal opinion but I think the relationships aren't really needed for the character pages. It seems since the relationship pages were created, it has only sprouted more controversy on what is considered a relationship, and what is merely fandom. Add on to that, with a future season coming, there's only going to be more increase to that particular section.
The character pages (Mainly Zuko's and Aang's) are far too long and the character relationships is the only reasonable thing to cut out. And I personally think there already enough on the pages without relationships, to give anyone enough insight on the characters. Lionheart08 20:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They shouldn't be removed, but definitely pruned.  I'm seeing a lot of information that should be in the articles for the characters and episodes being described. For example a lot of the stuff under Aang#Katara can be moved into episode descriptions, if they aren't already there.  Gh5046 05:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Except that that episode hasn't even aired yet, so it stays off.  春Harukaze風 23:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships Removal 

message: Okay, you know how There is a 'Story' section on this page?
well, these are the subsections: Book I: Water, Reawakening, Winter Solstice, Practicing Water, and Future deadline. I'd just like to point out that if you are going to put a Book I: Water, there really should be a Book 2: Earth section. I'd change it myself, but I didnt read the section recently and I don't really know where book one stops and book 2 begins in that section. And I have school, so I have to go to sleep. Bagpipeturtle 04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, wow. How did I mess that up so bad? Bagpipeturtle 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, nevermind. I think I fixed it. Maybe. Bagpipeturtle 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniformity 

message: I just integrated the trivia section as according to the tag that is on the page and an automayed comment on the peer review page. Why was my edit converted? --Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 23:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. The comment was that it didn't integrate well. If the information isn't vital it can simply be removed. Jay32183 00:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Section 

message: I'm failing the GA nomination because:
*There are no references/citations in this article. Significant facts about character/character development should be referenced with an episode number where appropriate. 
*More pictures wouldn't hurt, either. 
*There isn't anything out-of-universe, such as director's comments, etc; From the peer review:
—Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been told NOT to use more pictures...? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nom 

message: Since this has come up, let's give it its own little discussion corner, m'kay?
Personally, I vote that it be taken off. It's really not that important, and if you want the aliases in there so badly, we can stick them in the Trivia. Raven23 20:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote not to removing the mentioned section (especially Aang´s, if you mean "Allias section" as general for all characters). Although others can consider it unimportant or removable I think it´s a good detail that embellish the article and we don´t need to take it off, in the trivia section this embellishment will disapear. That´s why I would like to keep this as it is. Opinion 19:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the Alias section of the infobox? 

message: Could his image be changed from this: Avatar-book 1 Chapters 1 And 2 0003.jpg to this? [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Avatar_Is_Back_01.jpg[/IMG]
It is more current and is also appropriate for the article. The current profile image is somewhat unsettling, too. Wikiswan 20:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image for profile picture? 

message: I might be wrong, but didn't Yue used her powers for Aang to make a bigger wave? It seemed to me that she opened her arms just before the wave got bigger. 189.4.246.93 20:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yue Boost 

message: I am wondering if the current picture of Aang should be replaced with one that shows him with hair. We should at least include one in the article somewhere.Darth G 23:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Lead Image 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Human Popsicle2.png 

message: Should the information about Aang from the episodes not yet aired in the US but already aired in the UK be added here? Like his training section with Toph and Katara (specially when his use of Tophs vibration technique) or him being nervous during Nightmares and Daydreams? Other pages have been updated with significant info from those episodes. 201.17.28.73 00:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK info 

message: I added info under 'spirit' about the previous reincarnations. If there is a better place for this info, please move it, but I have found no better spot within the avatar articles. I think that this is important info about who aang is, and since two of the previous avatars have only been seen in video games, it is important to have a hub for connecting their entries in one place  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.171.34.56 (talk) 23:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  previous reincarnations 

message: I have heard about earlier complaints about too many pictures, but now the article has only three or four pictures! Is there any reason why we should not be using pictures that I am not aware about? Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 00:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Under the Kuzon section, it says he was mentioned by Aang to Sokka when discussing friends and enemies. But He told Zuko about Kuzon, not Sokka. I just saw the episode too, it was "The BLue Spirit". Mew Mitsuki 21:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably just happened offscreen.59.167.128.186 00:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: he mentioned kuzon to sokka in season 3 episode 2 the headband. i thought it was katara and toph too but i'd have to check Akuzio (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I know, i never said he didn't. I said he told sokka because mew mitsuki stated that he didn't. Akuzio (talk) 09:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuzon nad Sokka? 

message: Hello, I am the GA reviewer for this article. If you have any questions, please leave them here or on my talk page. Regards, Daimanta 22:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: Is Kuzon really a notable alias. I mean obviously he used it as a disguise in an episode but does the usage of it make it that important? Just asking because the sidebar says "Notable Aliases", and I think that for an alias to be listed there, that it should be at least somewhat important. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 03:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.  I left it alone, because I couldn't remember where I saw it.  Where does he use the alias Kuzon? 春Harukaze風 19:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that in a recent episode, Aang is accidentally mistaken for a student at a Fire Nation school, so he uses the name Kuzon as a disguise until he is able to get out of the school. I am not sure however, since I missed that episode. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ohhh, okay, so it's basically his name in the Fire Nation.  Hmm.  Well, I don't think I'm particularly for or against listing that as a "Notable" alias.  What does everyone else think?  春Harukaze風 21:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure. I think we could find some more important aliases than a temporary disguise used is one episode that we may never hear of again. (Oh, and just for those who would argue "What if we do hear of it again?", then we would put Kuzon as a notable alias when it does pop up again.) Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 22:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me.  I'm going to try to find that episode, make sure we're right on that being the source of Kuzon, then make the edit.  If someone has a compelling reason why it should stay, they can add it back and post here why it's necessary.  春Harukaze風 22:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked it and he used the disguise when his clothes tricked some people into thinking he was from a Fire Nation school, just as I thought. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 16:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuzon 

message: After it has aired [and may I stress that: after it has aired], could we get an image of the outfit seen in the two-part Day of Black Sun sequence?  I think it would be a more appropriate image than the one currently in use as the main infobox picture.  It seems to me that it is the best possible representation of Aang as the Avatar - it is the first time he is wearing traditional airbender garb that is not that of a student.  It seems to be his own personal acknowledgement that he has "graduated", so to speak.
I'm bringing this up now, because I know people have copies of these episodes, and someone can probably screen capture one of them.  We can't upload it yet, for legal reasons, but it would be nice to have ready for when we can.  春Harukaze風 16:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first part has now aired so could someone upload an image if they have one (I am unable to as I don't have one). Joeking16 (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New outfit 

message: Please note that I have requested and received semi-protected status for this page.  The protection will stand for 18 days, until the actual airing of The Day of Black Sun episodes.  As these two episodes were leaked and have not aired anywhere legally, we should not include content from those episodes on these pages.
I have seen varying release dates for these episodes overseas.  The only "official" date I have seen for the UK is the 30th, like the US, but I have heard that the UK and Canada might see these episodes one week earlier, on the 23rd.  If this is the case, I will request for these pages to be unlocked - US release, as one user pointed out, is not the original air date.
Until then, please, please do not make edits to these pages regarding the unaired content.  They will be reverted.  春Harukaze風 20:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary Semi-Protected Status 

message: I know that Roku is an ancestor of both of them, but should they really be classified as related? I'm sure that if you go far enough back through the Avatar cycle, that an Avatar is an ancestor of just about everyone on the planet (much like how JK Rowling says that nearly all wizards have similar ancestors). Should Zuko just go to relationships and Azula back down to enemies?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 04:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you are right. Even though Roku is Aang's past incarnation, they are not related. Therefore, Aang is not related to Zuko and Azula. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 14:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuko and Azula relatives of Aang? 

message: I was incorrect in my above statement regarding television character articles. Apart from the fourteen catagorized as good,Troy McClure, Nikki and Paulo, and Bernard Quatermass are all featured television character articles that we can stylistically draw from ETA: Long running Eastender's lead Pauline Fowler too --Buinne 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model Articles 

message: Since the end of Day of Black Sun Pt. 2, and Zuko's decision to join Aang, dosen't that mean that Aang just found himself a firebending teacher?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.116.27 (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I would assume so too, but that hasn't come to pass yet, so technically it's not canon. Where are you going with this anyway? --Secretss (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until it airs and we know that zuko's actually going to be his teacher, it's still speculation, and we cannot add it to the article.Akuzio (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firebending Teacher 

message: Heading off any well-intended reversions, I would like to note in-sidebar that Musso appeared in the "original pilot." Like Billy West as Zim in Invader Zim, Musso had a one-time role in a "production pilot," shown to the network as a prototypical pitchreel for the series and never intended for air. After funding was secured, the "broadcast pilot" ie. "Boy in the Iceberg" was developed.--Buinne (talk) 23:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diction in Sidebar 

message: Where applicable, character article leads will mention the character's most emphasized and developed relationship(s) in a series. Like say, Star Wars' Amidala: wife of Anakin, mother of Luke & Leia. Lost's Boone Carlyle: helper and protegé of John Locke. CSI's Sara Sidle: long fan-shipped, finally canon and now ex paramour of fellow principal Gil Grissom. See that last one? It brings up an issue. In the lead, should we even mention, however briefly, Aang and Katara's budding romance, let alone meta anticipation for it? The kiss would seem to render it canon, after seasons of tease. But is the opportunity for wank too great?--Buinne (talk) 03:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships in Lead? Concerns. 

message: Are we supposed to include summaries for the books? From what I've read in the talk page it sounds like the book summaries aren't needed. When I arrived at the article three hours ago, the summaries for books 1 2 3 are on the page, so I thought they're supposed to be there and just waiting for people to touch up and expand. I expanded Books 2 and 3, and after reading the talk page, I've cropped out plenty of unnecessary details in Books 1 and 2. They're both complete now, that is, I've looked through all episodes in both books and picked out the important details involving Aang. Certain episodes are not mentioned, because they're not needed. By "book summaries", I mean plot points directly involving Aang only. I didn't resummarise Book 3 since the entire book isn't out yet. I hope the summaries are good enough. I don't think anymore plot details are needed. --Secretss (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, the plot summaries do have too much unnecessary info. But I have tried many times to shorten them but somebody always seems to expand them again. Luckily, you were smart enough to look at the talk page and see that they should be shorter.  wonder what we could do. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we should try to pare it down furthur still. The pre-series "Background" section needs it too. I tried to both trim it and add what I thought was necessary, (lifted from an older version) but that has still left it roughly the same size. Still, it's a hard call. Aang has a lot of background history that explains his motivation. I'm going to actively try to shrink it now. For starters, I'd like to kill the details of that Air nomad Avatar-finding ritual. It seems more fit for the Airbending spirituality subsection and the episode details for "The Storm".--Buinne (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do others feel about that "On a trip to the Eastern Air..." paragraph? Since those events aren't concretely anchored to a timeline, and disrupt the flow of the biography, I'd like to just do away with it. We could leave Aang's fondness for Appa, travel, and freindships in his characteristics section, since they have never abated. i.e "Aang and his friends travel on his flying bison Appa, a companion since childhood. Aang is always making new freinds...etc"--Buinne (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, can we dispense with "In Episode X, this happens" in favor of citations? It looks terribly choppy. Also, mentioning episodes by name and season seems comparatively rare in television character articles, unless they've only appeared/been spotlighted in a bare few. We could confine explicit title  mentions only to those considered most important.--Buinne (talk) 22:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, Buinne. Having to remember to add in "In Episode X" is a bother and I tend to forget about it until I proofread the page =\. Plus it does come in the way of fluent reading. Does anyone else think the phrase "Aang and his friends" is a little redundant? The only time they don't travel together is when Aang visits the guru. --Secretss (talk) 10:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I've shortened the book 3 summary considerably, since there's still another half of the book to go. Currently it's half the length of the book 1 and 2 summaries (which both span 17 lines by the way =X). And there's that picture of Aang with hair. Is that really necessary? I don't exactly have any issues with it, but it's not exactly needed is it? --Secretss (talk) 12:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book Summaries 

message: I think that we have spent just a little bit too much time on the summaries. They are very important, but we really need to concentrate on putting in a concept and creation section. Does anybody have any ideas? Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 19:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to burst your bubble, but I think that's going to be slow going. We have to gather material from various interviews and commentaries and distill from these the bits that apply exclusively to Aang's conception and development, as distinct from the series premise. It's more labor intensive than viewing the eps, of course. avatarspirit.net seems fairly good in regards to aggregating press releases and interviews from other sources in its newsfeeds, for a start, and I think they've reported from convention panels. --Buinne (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, then let's get started immediately. I'll look up avatarspirit.net  Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that the Concept section was bare, so I thought I might introduce you to this magazine article in which the creators comment on Aang's origins. I hope this helps. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept and Creation 

message: Quick-failed - no sources outside the show, a problem which, IIRC, was brought up in the last GAN. At its current state, it clearly fails criteria 1a. The page should have its fictional summary cut and the creation in. Will (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another good article nomination 

message: i've seen several articles about the characters in the show, and some of the are longer (notably zuko's) than aang's. shouldn't we give more depth in this article? after all, aang is the major protagonist in the show.Tye blue (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell me, are these articles that you talk about GA. They are not. This is because the articles spend pages of space discussing plot and relationships (like family). All of this type of info is what every article is getting failed in the GAN for. All this info is in-universe and there is no out-of-universe info (like production or concept and creation). The Zuko article may be pages long, but its length will not be getting it anywhere as can be seen in its last nomination (it was quick-failed). In other words, do not worry about the length. It is fine. What we should worry about is concept and creation. The problem is that there are no sources for it. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 16:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article short? 

message: do we have one wre can repalce the character image, one from the 3rd book, i suggest we update all the pictures to 3rd book.--Cody6 (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the picture 

message: Why was the entire Relationships section of Aangs article removed? 189.32.153.180 (talk) 16:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed because it is all in-universe original research and is completely unnecessary for this article as this is about a fictional character. There are a couple discussions about it on this page and in the archive I believe. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 16:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then every other relationship section of the other characters should be deleted as well. 189.32.153.180 (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly! However, I do not have enough time to go to every character article, remove the relationships section, and then convince everybody editing the article that it needed to go and not to put it back. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 23:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I was being sarcastic, the relationship section is important, how could you delete it? 189.32.153.180 (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize you were being sarcastic. Only a newbie would not notice. (No offense to newbies, of course.) However, what I say stands true. The relationships section is either original research or information referenced to the show (known as in-universe). If you take a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:NOT, you will see what I mean. In addition, examples like Zuko, which are all built upon Plot and Relationships, are all B or even Start articles. Finally, in the multiple Peer Reviews and GA Nominations, the main complaint that has been made was always that there was too much in-universe information. This is not a biography where every detail about Aang's fictional life should be stated, it is an article about a fictional character created by Nickelodeon. Therefore, the Relationships section, which is, without a doubt, all in-universe, is completely unnecessary for this article. I hope I have shed a new light on this situation. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 03:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It explains how the characters are influenced IN THE SHOW, meaning in-universe. This is not a biographical article. It should not resemble one in any way. As for the other part of your comment, if this article was good enough, people would like reading the other parts too. If they want relationship info, they can just watch the show themselves. It does not belong here. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 15:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: And showing how the characters are influenced in the show is not important because... 189.4.252.251 (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I could not have explained it better than that. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 17:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If that's the case, why do all the other main characters have a thorough Relationship section? 201.37.53.73 (talk) 16:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they haven't gotten around to cleaning those ones up yet.  Make no mistake about it though, the effort is to lose them and integrate anything useful into the rest of the body. Derekloffin (talk) 02:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: Re: The issue of Aang being fatally injured versus killed by Azula's lightning in book 2. I know this has been discussed on Katara's talk page before, but it seems more appropriate here. The sentence in the article has been changed quite a few times already from fatally injured to killed and now it's back to fatally injured. Currently it says "fatally wounded to the point where his spirit separates". IMO, that is probably the most appropriate phrase if you take into account the animated graphic novel on the dvd. Does anybody have an opinion about this? If we can find a good compromising sentence we can add a comment in the edit box requesting no more changes. Maybe the creators purposely left this issue ambiguous to confuse us wiki editors =S I personally have no idea what to think. I can't tell if he was injured or killed. What do you guys think?--Secretss (talk) 10:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fatally injured" vs "killed" 

message: Ok, why was the Bending section butchered out? 189.32.157.17 (talk) 22:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bending 

message: I suggest we remove it, it's just another extension of what Wikipedia is not. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What the.. why is the relationship section back >.< I vote for removal too. --Secretss (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the "Relationships" section... 

message: Whoever wanted the further reading section to be checked out according to WP:FANSITE, you do not need to worry. The page does not say much about fansites (it redirects to Wikipedia:External links), but as far as I'm concerned, the two sites qualify to be in that section because according to WP:GTL#Further reading, the section in question is for sources that have not necessarily been used in the article as a citation but contain valuable information relating to the subject, which they do. In addition, going back to WP:FANSITE, the links are not advertisments, do not install malware, do not require registration, or anything else like that. In fact, it might be considered that these links should be in the article because according to WP:EL#What should be linked, the web sites currently in use have "meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews." Luckily, I think the case is closed that the two sites, though they are fansites, do give reliable information that is not used in the article (or at least not all of it is used), and therefore does not need to be removed. Feel free to object in any way because I might have missed something. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 14:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading section 

message: I know a lot of the editors of this page have migrated to the new season pages (especially Avatar: The Last Airbender (Season 3)), but I just want to ask anybody that is still here what the point of half the information in the "Avatar" section is. All that is there is one or two statements of Aang's avatar abilities and then a paragraph or two of plot summaries elaborating on it. Couldn't we just integrate the statements into another section and get rid of the repetitive plot summaries? Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 00:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming 

message: I have reverted Parent5446's removal of the section, mainly because not all of it is a repeat of the previous summary:
# It is the only section which mentions his practice of a martial art, ergo, the martial artist category is placed here for that reason
# It is also the only section that supports the flight category to be placed on the article because his ability of flight is unique to the fictional world
:While I feel the rest is possibly a retelling, perhaps the rest can be removed, or expanded even. Any suggestions? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right. Maybe we can move the important info into the Bending section (a sub-section of the Avatar section) directly above it since both his flying ability and his martial arts have to do with airbending. (Just so you know, there is a lot of repetition in that section as well, but that can be trimmed. See above topic.) Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 19:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad we come come to an understanding. Thank you, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Powers and abilities 

message: The main reason that the template at the top of the article states a need for additional references is because all of the references are from within the show. I think that, even though it doesn't actually add additional sources, if all the current references to the show are linked to their appropriate summaries at [avatarspirit.com Avatar Spirit] (along with a link to the transcript page) as done with some of the references, the citations might be able to be considered tertiary or at least secondary sources; this would make the references more reliable and thus removing some of our referencing problem to the point where we do not need to have it on the template at the top of the article. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 04:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional references 

message: May I just ask, in response to User:Sesshomaru's comment, where the other format of quotation is?
In response to your second comment, I agree, I'll see what  can do to change the case of every occurence.
As for the links, I'll look over it and see what I can do. If you have any specific examples for anything, please mention it below because I might miss it myself and then the mistake remains in the article. Thanks for the advice. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 18:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually had a change of heart on something, I believe that in some cases Avatar should be capitalized, but I'll ask for a second opinion because I may be wrong. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 18:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: No, other than integrating it, which I think would make the article seems more of a blob of text. Maybe I'll just make a different template. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 02:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Sure, I'll get to work immediately. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 02:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re:Aang 

message: An anonymous user keeps on adding material to the 'conception' section and citing it with a link to the main avatar page. Wikipedia is not a source. I will continue to remove this information until they provide a reference for some outside material. I hope others will do the same. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Life would be so much easier if we could be our own source, but yeah, anything like that should be removed.  If another page has something you want on this page, that page should itself be referenced, and you can echo the reference here.  Circular referencing is just plain bad. Derekloffin (talk) 00:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggest pointing the ip to WP:SRTA if (s)he continues. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikipedia is not a source 

message: OK, for anybody that monitors this article, here is what is going to happen. The article has come a long way since its last review. It now has a creation and conception information along with other good stuff. In addition, the plot summaries have been seriously toned down by a visit from some angel-like author who copy-edited the article and gave it a chance. Anyway, the article is currently a candidate at WP:ACID. When Wednesday comes, and the article becomes the article of the week for the Article Improvement and Collaboration Drive, we will wait to see if anybody brings any more constructive edits. If so, we'll wait until the article's week is up and the next article goes into WP:ACID. If not, we'll start immediately. What do I mean by "we'll start immediately"? I mean we will hopefull hold out last nomination for GA status. Until that time, please make any last minute preparations you may have because I really want the article to pass. Best of luck. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 22:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nom Schedule 

message: To tell you the truth, it is more proper to put it at the bottom. However, there is no policy, guideline, essay, or manual of style that says anything about it and the section is too small to be in its own level 2 heading section. In conclusion, it just plain looks better where it is. The only way it would look better at the bottom is if we could find any more information to put in it. Right now, I know I've looked, but if you can find any more reliable sources for that section and enlarge the section, then it can moved back. As for Walter (the edit war user), I contacted Placebo because I know he is involved with the project and he is an admin. If he does not respond, the user is still reported on WP:AN/3RR. Hopefully, this will all end before Wednsday because articles with edit disputes cannot be put on WP:ACID. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 03:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the reception section goes, I still believe it should be placed below Appearances in other media to follow the same layout as other articles, primarily those of fictional characters. And if you ask me, I thought it was better below as well. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am really not sure. I suggest we get Rauj into this discussion since he is the one that reverted your edits and I do not want to do something that another user will revert and potentially start an edit dispute. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 02:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just felt that the reception of the character looked better under the "Characteristics" of the character. It did not make sense to me to have it under "Appearances in Other Media". Rau J16 03:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section 

message: User:Walter Mellon Head has been blocked indefinitely so I do not think he will be interrupting us anymore. The page is currently in request for semi-protection, but it might fail since the user is now blocked. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 03:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It might also fail because of the fcat that there was only one primary user. But, YAY Team!!!! Rau J16 03:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did initially protect it, but when I saw WMH was indef'd I lifted the prot. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, well you know, its the thought that counts, so thanks(i really do appreciate it, the guy was annoying). Rau J16 04:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, I beat the game, but it revealed no more information than the avatar wiki did. In fact, the wiki gave more info since it had the codes and question answers. Oh well. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 20:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now i guess it is just a personal victory. But at least the facts can be verified for peace of mind at least. Rau J16 20:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Score 1 for Team Avatar; Score 0 for Team Vandals 

message: Believe it or not, Aang has finally passed and is a GA.
#Is it reasonably well written?
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#Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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#:B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:  
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#:C. No original research: 
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#Is it broad in its coverage?
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#Is it neutral?
#:Fair representation without bias: 
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#Is it stable?
#: No edit wars, etc: 
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#Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
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Thanks to all who contributed!Limetolime (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: YOU GUYS DID IT!!!!!! Now ONWARDS, Azula awaits. Rau's talk 23:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can go to Azula. I plan on helping the Aang article to FA so it can be FAOTD during the season finale for the show. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 23:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successful good article nomination 

message: Been wanting to ask about this. I know there once were the "Characters introduced in [year]" cats, but Avatar State is in a introductory cat so what's the deal here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One user has been going around tagging all of the article with this cat. I looked at other articles in the cat, and other than the Avatar characters that the user tagged, there were only one or two character articles, with the rest being product articles, such as Coke Zero and IPod nano. I figured the cat wasn't really appropriate for this article. — Parent5446 (t n c e m l) 15:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think there are others erroneously categorized as well (namely some Disney characters like Jafar). BTW, this would have been better unsaid; the results of an afd are what they are and editors can not revert if they disagree with it, then again, consensus can change. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not really the result. I was being bold so I closed the AfD prematurely and merged the article (mainly because of a suggestion made by a user on the AfD to do this). In other words, the merge was not really the result of the AfD. Either way, though, there seems to be no objections. — Parent5446 (t n c e m l) 15:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro cat 

message: In response to a request to do so, I've done some copyediting. These have all been minor stylistic changes, aimed at shorter sentences -- roughly limiting them to three ideas, qualifications or asides per sentence.
More general peer review comments are the following. This is a solidly and broadly researched entry. There is admirable, controlled interaction with critical analysis. Quotes and references to the creators' intentions are outstanding content for the article. Synopsis of plot is also admirably restrained.
In fact, there is so much good material, presented so concisely, with substantial sources, that it invites expansion. Overall, the feel of the prose is, I think rightly, slightly clipped, energetically and economically progressing content with each sentence. I think this is exemplary for encyclopedic style.
The only quibble I have with the entry is three underdeveloped allusions to vegetarianism and Buddhism. Perhaps this is due to sources not really developing the point. Either these need fuller treatment (maybe even a Cultural Milleu section), or they should be dropped, as true and verifiable material, but tangential to the main thrust of the article, and of the sections that contain them. My advice is, "develop or drop" this point.
Finally, I concur with current GA status. Regarding FA, this depends on personal philosophy. My feeling is some entries ought to be short and shouldn't really be expected to be FA (after the analogy of lists etc.). Given my ignorance of the topic area, I really don't know if this is an article that could accumulate enough content to be considered for FA, or whether it should stand as a fine example of a GA that knows its limitations -- it's brilliance is shown by its brevity.
Thanks to those who have provided this article. Best wishes to all who work to develop it further. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 23:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: We have a picture maybe of aang in his monk robes for the article?--Jakezing (talk) 02:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps. But let's wait until the DVD comes out, that way we get quality. Rau's Speak Page 02:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: we could try the internet sites,--Jakezing (talk) 02:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are even worse. I mean DVD quality over TV quality. We only have to wait a few weeks. Rau's Speak Page 02:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final picture 

message: Shouldn't this be in the Avatar:  The Last Airbender section?  It doesn't make much sense for a character to have a plot synopsis or something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.224.134 (talk) 02:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It focus' solely on the character. It belongs here. Rau's Speak Page 02:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot? 

message: I'm just curious as to why there isn't anything about the Avatar State. It's a very important aspect of the series. I would put it in, but I'm just starting. I don't know how to add a new option in the info box.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holymasterchief (talk • contribs) 02:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's really not important to the character. Rau's Speak Page 03:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, that's an error. Because this is about Aang, not the Avatar State. Rau's Speak Page 06:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: who is the avatar.--Jakezing (talk) 15:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: It's not important to Aang, its important to The Avatar. It doesn't belong in this article. Rau's Speak Page 18:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your insisting so much that The Avatar state is soo not important, that your coming as stubborn. Sheesh, is saying even a teeny mention of The Avatar State gonna makes you still come off as stubborn?? It is important to Anng because 1.)....thats how he encased himself in ice in the first place..  2.) ....He the current avatar  3.)Azula nearly killed him in the Avatar state which would end all future Avatars   4.) Wasn't he going to be taught how to control the state by some guru??
I'm certain that separate article in the Avatar state is outta the question. So, mentioning the Avatar state is not too much to ask for yes?  75.72.221.194 (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A mention is not too much to ask for. Actually it should be mentioned. It is important to the mythology of the series. But it shouldn't be mentioned here. This is about Aang. Not "Avatar Abilities." And the plot of three episodes is not enough to make it important to the character. Rau's Speak Page 22:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned in the main avatar page. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no Avatar State? 

message: Should Aang get a bending section based on his skill with firebending, earthbending, waterbending and airbending, his status as a bridge between the Spirit World and Earth, and the Avatar State or something. Elemental5293 (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A bending section would be all plot, and he never really acts as the medium between the worlds. And the Avatar State isn't important to the character. Rau's Speak Page 20:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I think there should be a seperate article for the Avatar and his/her abilities.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holymasterchief (talk • contribs) 13:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bending 

message: Toph always used to call him "Twinkletoes." (due to her naming him that based on his fighting style of rarely staying on the ground when they first met in the Earth Rumble VI tournament) Actually, I don't think she ever called him Aang in the second season! Since Zuko has "Zu-Zu," mentioned about twelve times, at most, shouldn't Aang get "Twinkletoes?" KremTell me stuff♫Whaaaat I've Doooonne!♪ 19:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Alias 

message: I just included a section with short descriptions about Aang learning the 4 elements and his other skills, such as energybending.  I know it's a given that the Avatar learns the 4 elements, but to the newcomer they won't know that.  I justify the section's inclusion because otherwise it's unbalanced that the other characters have descriptions of their skills and Aang, the titular character, doesn't have anything.  Also please don't expand on it too much if you don't have to.  I tried to keep the section short and to the point to keep in flow with the other character pages.  I'll cite references in that section soon.  MisterZeppo (talk) 06:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. We don't need that much info saying "he mastered five elements and has the avatar state." He being the Avatar implies that. Rau's Speak Page 11:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By your logic, then why do the other character pages detail their abilities and skills?  We know Katara is a waterbender, Toph is an earthbender, Zuko is a firebender, Sokka is a warrior...  Do they really need such detailed descriptions while Aang, the main character, gets nothing?  Sorry I disagree with that logic wholeheartedly.  Azula's "Abilities" section is so detailed and was longer than the section I wrote about Aang's skills, so was Zuko's abilities and personality sections before I edited it down.  If you want to be fair, include Aang's abilities or remove the other character's.  I was mainly looking to create more of a uniform look between all the character pages.  I won't undo your removal of the section, YET.  I'm waiting to hear more opinions.  MisterZeppo (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Rau. That information is WP:CRUFT and is best suited for the Avatar wiki. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Are any of the other articles GA? No, this article is of a higher quality. And the content of one article does not dictate the content of another. You want to be uniform? Bring them up to GA. Don't bring this down to them.  Rau's Speak Page 16:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point.  I'll start editing the other character pages to bring them to the same standard of Aang's page...  MisterZeppo (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mastering all 4 elements 

message: Since he spent about the whole series crushing on Katara, it seems apropriate that the fact he did end up with her be mentioned  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.58.192 (talk) 00:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Relationship stuff is considered 'in-universe' material because the info is not crucial to understanding the overall plot of the show. Another example would be to give a character's favorite color. Does this color preference influence their day to day decisions? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Initially I agreed about including Aang and Katara's relationship, but I can see why it's not included because it doesn't really have to do with the main story of defeating Ozai.  Plus the shipping is kind of a big spoiler that isn't critical to understanding the show.  MisterZeppo (talk) 06:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Katara 

message: Why is it, that while pretty much everyone else gets a new portrait, Aang is still, still, stuck with that same old, eternal, butt-ugly pic? 84.250.246.11 (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the other new pics. I liked the face shots. Rau's Speak Page 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like them either, but that's beside the point: The thought of perfectly good pictures being switched to something worse, instead of a bad picture being changed to a better one, is what sickens me here. 84.250.246.11 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree.  I don't like them either.  But I can see why they got rid of the face shots as they are screenshots.  While I love the carefree nature of the picture, the image is old, ugly and also doesn't really resemble the character.  There are better images out there.  It's a matter of easily identifying the character.  The old promo art with MoMo is out of date and doesn't truely do the job.  MisterZeppo (talk) 05:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced the image from face-shots mostly; and Mister Zeppo pretty much understood the point. I'm aware that they are outdated...but the face-shots are simple screenshots. Most character bios (not all) usually use a full-body portrait, or otherwise an official image. :Image:Pikachu.svg, :Image:Ganondorf-Brawl.png, :Image:Spongebob-squarepants.png. It voids any fair-use concerns since these images are widely circulated anyway. Screenshots pose problems in such cases, and are generally avoided. As to answer the question as to why this image wasn't replaced: It was in .jpg, and I don't like uploading new images if I can avoid it. :P Call me lazy. --haha169 (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Anyway, there's a reason why I didn't update Zuko's image...he changed too much since Season 1. Katara, Sokka, Toph, Appa (duh), and Aang haven't changed much, so I don't think that should be a big issue. --haha169 (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: :Can some one check if the new picture of aang deals with copyright problems adequately. (i.e Fairuse) I think it might need meet the fair use criteria but I'm not too sure. Thanks. Ziphon (ALLears) 11:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sourced from the Musagato website.  The current official character images for Mai, Ty Lee, Appa, Toph, Sokka, and Katara are all from the same website and meet the same fair use criteria.  MisterZeppo (talk) 15:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a few adjustments to the article. How does it look now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean image? :P MisterZippo, I've left additional comments to your talk page. --haha169 (talk) 20:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info haha169.  Question.  Are you allowed to photoshop the images like you did with the current one?  I noticed you removed the staff and edited the hand.  I thought that wasn't allowed...  MisterZeppo (talk) 04:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: In the words of User:AnmaFinotera, "IAR doesn't apply here".... Rau's Speak Page 17:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AnmaFinotera thinks IAR doesn't apply anywhere. As long as a rule is preventing you from improving the article, it can be ignored. Anyway, I highly doubt that there is a rule preventing photoshop in the first place. Obviously, its common sense not to photoshop a perfectly good picture - but I don't think its a policy. --haha169 (talk) 05:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use 

message: Either that or the explosion with Momo should be removed. Either way, one has to be because they don't really give much to the article. I propose a discussion here before removal. --haha169 (talk) 01:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since neither add anything, maybe they should both be removed. Rau's Speak Page 02:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok then, do it. --haha169 (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar State image 

message: Folks let's settle this once and for all: does he belong here or not? If so, there should be references that suggests so. If you ask me, using wind for quick maneuvering is not super speed. This is why Storm has not been placed in the category. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, he uses his airbending to propel himself. He can't move at those speeds with out it. Which means it's not "superhuman." *SIGN* 19:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say yes. This dictionary defines superhuman as "having powers or a nature above that of man; divine; supernatural, greater than that of a normal human being". Not everyone in the avatar world can bend. Whether are not he is moving fast with his muscles or wind, he can still perform feats--such as running quick enough to run on walls and ceilings like The Flash--that normal people can't. However, I realize a published source associated with the show stating the fact has more strength than anything I could possibly come up with to support my stance. (By the way, I'm not the person who added the category to the page.) --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You attempted to add it before. The point is, Wikipedia requires you to source this despite it being "obvious". Read WP:VERIFY and WP:ORIGINAL for further information. There's a difference between running and using an implement to go faster than the norm. See, Green Lantern isn't categorized as such because he doesn't run at superhuman speeds, he flies at superluminal speeds. Flash qualifies, even Superman qualifies, but Aang does not since the air is his medium. Does that make sense? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, back in May! It's now September. I get the feeling you think I was the anon who added it. If so, you are mistaken. Please read what I said again about how "I realize a published source associated with the show stating the fact...."  --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware. Just wanted to clear up what a "speedster" actually is. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Duly noted, but I still think he can run at superhuman speeds. I've never seen the Green Lantern do anything but fly. The Flash feeds off of the speed force. Superman seems to be the only one of the bunch who is actually using his muscles. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Superman does everything at super speeds if you know what I mean. But yeah, that's about it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds]] 

message: For a discussion about in the inclusion of Aang and Katara romantic relationship, please see Katara's talk page. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 15:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Page sysop protected due to edit warring. Tan  |  39 16:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aang and Katara 

message: Based on a poster in the 17th episode of Book 2 which was intended to look for Appa, the poster reads
:尋飛天野牛
:名阿柏有六足重十噸
:如有消息請聯絡
:降世神通安昂
:上環九十六區第二百一十七棟
The 4th line "降世神通安昂" clearly shows "Avatar Aang". So I guess we could include the name "安昂" for Aang.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm asking about this over at the talkpage for the List of Characters. Please have your say over there as this concerns more than just a few characters of the show. Thanks!--Secretss (talk) 15:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in Chinese 

message: Aren't they black? --Dramartistic (talk) 00:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyes 

message: Is there anyway we can change the lead photo back to the stock picture that used to grace the page? The currently picture just looks so unnatural. I don't know too many 12-year-olds that are rocking a six pack. (Yes, I have seen little kids that were so skinny you could see their abs, but the picture is drawn with muscular abs.) I also think the background is too distracting. The original picture was just fine. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly have no objections, but it is all down to the deletion nazies to allow it, so just be sure it has the info and such on it. Derekloffin (talk) 23:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I third that. The oririnal picture was so much better.Zuko Halliwell (talk) 03:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the Sozin's Comet picture of him. Jhenderson 777 13:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 15:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. At least this one's got plain Aang, not Aang in the Avatar State. Jhenderson 777 17:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus the use of all the words in the image seems to advertise the finale more than Aang himself. If there is an same image of Aang without distracting words. I might consider. Jhenderson 777 17:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of them are good images being put here. But I feel the current one is a better main image for Aang. But the one you are talking about is now on this article too. Just to keep a neutral point of view. Jhenderson 777 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as it's not the lead photo, I really don't care if it is on the page or not. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  lead photo (again) 

message: OK, we have a bit of a problem. The caption for the photo in the Plot overview section has a link for the words "Avatar State". While I agree it should be linked, as many readers will not know what the Avatar State is, the link actually redirects to the Series overview section of the main article, where there is not any clearly discernible information about the Avatar State. We either need to link it somewhere else or explain what the Avatar State is inline. Any thoughts? 
::If there is a power and abilities section of this article that would be a better place. But Plot Overview does have best information for the Avatar State thus far. Jhenderson 777 22:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Plot Overview states in the third paragraph "The Avatar possesses a unique power called the Avatar State, which endows the Avatar with the knowledge and abilities of all past Avatars and acts as a self-triggering defense mechanism, although it can be made subject to the will of the user through various methods, such as extensive trial and training. If an Avatar is killed in the Avatar State, the reincarnation cycle will be broken, and the Avatar will cease to exist."
That's the best information we have so far. But like I said I strongly encourage a Abilities section, possiby a sub section of the Characteristics section. Because that does explain some of his abilities. Jhenderson 777 22:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Got it. So that means we should probably remove the Avatar State link entirely. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 22:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well mainly. But since such a redirection exists. It's good to have a good more clear placement for it to be explained. For if it could be a link that is. Seriously we got too many things linking to Avatar: The Last Airbender like all the bending arts for example. We need to find better link placings for these redirections. Possibly a section that focuses entirely on that individual subject. Jhenderson 777 22:57, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar State link 

message: I'm not a wikipedia user, but I wanted to tell you that in the Avatar disambiguation page, the links leads directly here instead to the Avatar: The Last Airbender page. For a while I thought the two articles had been merged, and I'm pretty sure it must've happened to someone else. It would be best if that link redirected the other page instead don't you think? --200.125.83.181 (talk) 03:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar disambiguation page 

message: In the sequal series to Avatar: The Last Airbender, Aang and Katara have a son, Tenzin.  Link: http://lytherus.com/2010/12/16/avatar-the-legend-of-korra/. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 16:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: True but we don't need to rush it. Jhenderson 777 19:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend of Korra 

message: In the infobox, shouldn't we change "Protagonist" to "Main Protagonist" not to be confused with other protagonists (Toph, Suki, etc).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.182.93 (talk) 02:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean, but actually Toph, Suki, etc. are not protagonists in the first place (especially Suki). Aang is the real protagonist, with most everyone else being supporting characters (though one could argue Katara is the deuteragonist). — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 03:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good to see you back, Parent5446. And I kind of agree with you on the Katara being deutragonist. We probably need to get rid of the Zuko article stating that he is a deutragonist because that can be considered original research if not proven. Jhenderson 777 18:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice to be back. :) And yeah, I would consider Zuko more of a false antagonist, if that's even an actual archetype. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 23:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: False protagonist sure but false antagonist hmm. Jhenderson 777 19:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protagonist to Main Protagonist? 

message: I did remove a category saying that he has lightning abilities but I am deciding to discuss it first. Last I knew he could only redirect lightning and I am not sure that should count. What do other editors think about that? Jhenderson 777 19:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For sure he only has redirection abilities. Only Ozai, Azula, and Iroh can create lightning (and even Iroh I'm not sure about). — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 01:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe Iroh can. But the question is does redirecting lightning count as a lightning ability to support inclusion of that category? Jhenderson 777 14:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that's a good question. Personally I think it should, but I'm speculating at best. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 00:08, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lightning abilities 

message: I removed the line:
:"Aang's early death can be explained by the effects of being frozen in an iceberg for one hundred years."
It cites no references and sounds like personal opinion. It carries the same weight as speculation that he was assassinated by Amon's agents. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 12:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death? 

message: As is customary for many Wikipedia articles, the first instance of the word Avatar links to the default Avatar article. However, it is not the fictional character cycle that is part of the cartoon show. It directs to the idea in Hindu culture. I did not want to remove it in case that such a link is warranted, but it seems to me that such a connection is only an allusion on the creator's part to use the term for Aang and his predecessors/successors. Should the link be removed, since it directs to an article that's not directly related to the subject matter of Aang's article?--134.129.205.102 (talk) 22:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar article link 

message: I have removed name from the alias section since an alias is a fake name used by a person to hide their identity. It has nothing to do with nick names used by other people to make fun of the person. Here is a link to dictionary.com to prove my point [] which proves that a nickname used by Toph regarind Anng is does not meet the definition of an alias.--70.49.81.140 (talk) 05:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Twimkeltows as an alias 

message: Substituted at 14:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Shouldn't this be updated since The Legend of Korra confirmed that the Avatar is a human fused with the light spirit, Rava? 68.188.56.8 (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar as the spirit of the Earth 

message: Given that the most common usage of 'significant other' confers a sexual or romantic hint to a relationship, on the talk page for Korra, I'm proposing that we add a new category(or categories) to list characters with whom she clearly has a intimate and important relationship, but not a romantic one. In the interests of consistency, I'm bringing this here as well, as I think this article's infobox could also benefit from this sort of change. As important as Appa is, I don't think many people would call him Aang's significant other. Feel free to participate in the discussion there. Cannolis (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'significant other' in infobox 

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message: Since the whole series took place in under a year how can he be 113-114 in book 3. Eberhard513 (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age