Talk:Fruit of the Holy Spirit

message: Hi,
Glad to see you starting an
 article; please take my comments as well-meaning. So far, the article does nothing but quote the actual text. An encyclopedia article should state why its important in a broader context, give background information, show its importance and any other points of view. Wikipedia is not a place to simply quote scripture or religious messages, however well meaning they may be. DavidH 03:31, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, there is only one brief paragraph of quotation. The rest is what I wrote.
:Surely the actual Bible verse (Galatians 5:22-23) that lists the fruits should be quoted! It is mentioned at the end, but not actually quoting it in an article about it seems strange... Ben davison 17:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format

message: There are Bible translations which identify between 8 and 11 fruit of the Holy Spirit They are: 
# LOVE,
# JOY,
# PEACE,
# PATIENCE,
# KINDNESS,
# GENEROSITY,
# GENTLENESS,
# FAITHFULNESS &
# SELF CONTROL
Other translations exclude generosity which may be a synonym for kindness and include Goodness. Exclude Gentleness and include Meekness.  Also in addition to faithfulness and Self Control, Temprance and or Long Suffering may be found. --InismX (talk) 09:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit Of The Holy Spirit 

message: I think there are several areas where I think the article needs work:
# The biblical form of words is the "Fruit of the Spirit" not the "Fruits of the Spirit". So the article should be moved.
# The grammar is poor, eg. "In the person who possesses these characteristics, this is a life-change including their behaviour." The clauses don't agree.
# Firstly it reads a bit POV, in that it sounds more like something from Every Day with Jesus than an encyclopaedia.
# A level 2 (==) heading is not required for each of the fruit - a better way to explain the fruit can be found in article about the Catholic doctrine of Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit
# The issue of whether they are one unit or many is a bit pedantic. I always though the singular was used because there was one Spirit not one fruit, e.g. "the fruit of the apple tree is...". Besides I've heard too many sermons saying we should reflect on each fruit/characteristic separately.
# Don't use out of date translations of the Greek and Hebrew, use something like the NIV or ESV.
# It needs references
# Finally, remember it's an encyclopaedia article so it should discuss sources, historical development, devotional use, and its relationship with other "... of the Holy Spirit" topics. An example of a more encyclopaedic article can be found here.
This is a whole lot of work, sorry about dumping it and running off but I think the article on this important topic needs an overhaul. Journeyman 04:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up required

message: * Catholic tradition ennumerates 12 fruits, which are given in the Vulgata: “Fructus autem Spíritus est: cáritas, gáudium, pax, patiéntia, benígnitas, bónitas, longanímitas, mansuetúdo, fides, modéstia, continéntia, cástitas. Advérsus hujúsmodi non est lex.” (Gal 5, 22–23), that is: charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faithfulness, modesty, continence and chastity. The article should include the Catholic view.
** Cathecism of the Catholic Church, 1832
** Summa Theologica, 1a 2æ, q. 70, a. 3
*** Kugland (talk) 08:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fruits of the Holy Spirit in Catholic Tradition 

message: We need secular sources for this article. The ratings indicate that people aren't finding it objective. This is a problem. 69.86.225.27 (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need secular source 

message: Article currently reads in part But the New American Bible approved for Catholic liturgical use in the United States follows the Greek and lists the original 12 gifts. (my emphasis) But the reference given is https://biblehub.com/interlinear/galatians/5.htm which gives nine in both the Greek and the gloss. 
So this seems to me to be not just POV but actually false, in that the reference blatantly contradicts the claim made. 
The New American Bible is also available online, links are given in that article but they give trouble with my slow Internet. However https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A22-23&version=NABRE lists nine. So again, the claim of twelve as given in the article appears to be simply false.
There is room for discussion as to how many Fruit of the Spirit the Bible describes, but no room for false claims as to what particular versions in fact say. Andrewa (talk) 05:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nine or twelve