Talk:John Muir High School

message: There's no indication of why any of the faculty is notable. Unless someone anotates the list, or creates articles about the teachers, I'm going to delete it. -Will Beback 17:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before that, please consider John Zweers.  He taught History, and was not only a teacher, we was a magician.  Very highly thought of, and he possessed an incredible memory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.159.204.170 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What verifiable information do we have about him? Was he covered in any local newspapers? -Will Beback · † · 06:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable faculty

message: Im new to this whole thing, and I hope this works, but someone who knows how should link the citations from the "scandals" section so the accuracy of the quote may be quickly seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.20.195 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've converted those URLs to the ref/cite format.  One of the URLs had to be referenced via archive.org, since the current version no longer seems to make mention of the John Muir teacher event. -- Bovineone 03:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: ; Long list 
For notable alumni graduating 1955 or later, an early February 2008 version seems to have the longest list (28): 
* Koichi Nishimura (1956), chief operating officer of Solectron. 
* Rod Sherman (1962), professional football player. 
* Sirhan Sirhan (1963), convicted assassin of Robert F. Kennedy. 
* John Beal (1964), film and television composer "Vega$," "Eight Is Enough," "Happy Days," "Laverne & Shirley." 
* Richard Bellis (1964), film and Emmy Award-winning television composer "Stephen King's It." 
* Octavia Butler (1965), award-winning science fiction author (d. 2006) 
* Darrell Evans (1965), baseball player. 
* Robert B. Lowe (1971), journalist, 1981 Pulitzer Prize winner. 
* Juliana Gondek (1971), opera singer. 
* Stephen Bentley (1972), Syndicated comic strip creator, "Herb and Jamaal" 
* David Lee Roth (1972), rock singer, lead singer of Van Halen until 1984. 
* Renee Tajima-Peña (1976), documentary filmmaker, nominated for Academy Award in 1980. 
* Alan Wiggins (1976), MLB baseball player (d. January 1991) 
* Anthony Miller (1983), Former NFL player for the San Diego Chargers 1988-1993, Denver Broncos 1994-1996, Dallas Cowboys 1997. Anthony Miller also set a club record for the Denver Broncos with 14 touchdowns receiving in a season in 1995. 
* Rodney King (1983) His incident with police led to the Los Angeles Riots and an overhaul of the LAPD -  (The events in which Mr. King was the central figure were covered in the media.  The Wikipedia article on him has 13 references. Wanderer57 (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The long and the short 

message: How about this suggested compromise?  
1. This list meets the Wiki notablity for people, here, keeps the John Muir High School Hall of Fame (They determined these people are hall of famers - but we don't agree?) 
2. It puts Rodney King back in, because the cite clearly discusses his time at John Muir High School on page 41.  However, he left school just prior to graduation, so you may very well feel his is not a valid entry.
3. Puts back a couple of notable professionals that are not hall of famers but are famous within their industries. One example: John Beal has numerous awards, hit television shows and is the most famous composer of movie trailer music in Hollywood's major motion picture industry. My cites don't all seem to be showing, but you can see them in the code.
;Notable alumni of John Muir High School (graduating after 1955):
* Rodney King (1983) His incident with police led to the Los Angeles Riots and an overhaul of the LAPD 
Lou Cannon. Official Negligence: How Rodney King and the Riots Changed Los Angeles
* Renee Tajima-Peña (1976), documentary filmmaker, nominated for Academy Award in 1980.   
* David Lee Roth (1972), rock singer, lead singer of Van Halen until 1984, John Muir Hall of Fame.
* Juliana Gondek (1971), opera singer, Chair, UCLA Voice Division,UCLA John Muir Hall of Fame
* Robert B. Lowe (1971), journalist, 1981 Pulitzer Prize winner, John Muir Hall of Fame.
* Octavia Butler (1965), award-winning science fiction author (d. 2006), John Muir Hall of Fame
* Darrell Evans (1965), baseball player, John Muir Hall of Fame
* John Beal (1964), award-winning film and television composer "Vega$," "Eight Is Enough," "Happy Days," "Laverne & Shirley." 
* Richard Bellis (1964), film and Emmy Award-winning television composer "Stephen King's It."
* Sirhan Sirhan (1963), convicted assassin of Robert F. Kennedy.
* Rod Sherman (1962), professional football player, John Muir Hall of Fame.
* Koichi Nishimura (1956), chief operating officer of Solectron, John Muir Hall of Fame
;Notable alumni of John Muir Junior College (graduating prior to 1955):
* John Van de Kamp (1952), Attorney General of California (1982-1991), John Muir Hall of Fame.
* Fred Phelps (1951), head of the controversial Westboro Baptist Church.
* Jackie Robinson (1936), John Muir Hall of Fame
BTW: Who finalizes this? Bsteph1 (talk) 00:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been watching this page since a request for a third opinion was listed.  It's good to see the progress toward reaching a Wikipedia:Consensus. — Athaenara  ✉  05:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested List

message: In some definitions, an alumnus is a graduate of a school. In other definitions, a graduate or former student of a school.
???  Wanderer57 (talk) 11:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a credible source and given that for the majority of the population, being an alumni implies graduation, it would be deceiving to add Rodney King.  Given that the John Muir Alumni Association has chosen to not recognize Rodney King, and mind you that the nearly all black alumni association would be more inclined to do so, there is no reason wikipedia should either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki Mateo (talk • contribs) 19:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave the Wikipedia link because it was convenient.  My Merriam-Webster dictionary and my Oxford dictionary both say that an alumnus is a former student of a school, college, etc, regardless of whether they graduated.  Wanderer57 (talk) 21:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI - Alumnus 

message: * The article is looking better.
* Odd capitalization.  I notice in the sections History and Current that it says White, Asian, Hispanic, and black.  In the latter part of the article, they are all lowercase.  I think all lower-case is probably what it should be.
* It occurred to me that if all the notable alumni listed are actually graduates, they might as well be described as "Notable Graduates."
Wanderer57 (talk) 22:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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