Talk:Brendan the Navigator

message: Is there any objection to "fixing" the commemoration dates listed at the top of the page?  I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and we commemorate St. Brendan on May 16, and not in January.  Even the Orthodox Wiki  has the commemoration Bredan the Navigator  as May 16. BLPisani (talk) 13:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: Is there a reason for confusing the historical Brendan of Clonfert with the "Saint Brendan" of the Navigatio I have material for the Voyage but hesitate to post it and have it mangled. User:Wetman
:If they are two different people, they do indeed deserve two different articles.  I had understood that the semi-legendary Brendan the Navigator and the historical Brendan of Clonfert were essentially two different bodies of lore relating to the same person.  Listing the two as duplicate articles did nothing to dispersuade me of that notion, and I tried to harmonize them while keeping the essential data from both articles here.  If I was wrong, everything needs to be reverted.  -- Smerdis of Tlön
::Have you looked into translations of the Navigatio? The crystal column? the fallen angel-birds... 'Semi-legendary' would have to apply to the Odyssey too then. Or Sir John Mandeville. Or Prester John? But Brendan of Clonfert, canonized after his death-- that's a real person. (BTW, I enjoy your entries and editing User:Wetman
:Yes, I have read the Navigatio. Now what I started doing was a basic article merge: you put all the text on one page, and then you go through and cut what's redundant from one to the other.  I gather that you'd prefer a different approach, one that treats B of C and StB as two separate though related subjects?
:Actually, I suspect that "semi-legendary" is about right about StB and Odysseus.  I see no reason to deny that the Trojan War took place, that a leader named Odysseus fought in it, and that he took the long way home.  The story got embellished in the re-telling, and that's my take on the Navigatio as well. -- Smerdis of Tlön 14:43, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: If Wikipedia has one entry for the actual Antonio Salieri and the "Salieri" character in Amadeus, one needs two separate subsections to discuss the person and the fictional creation based on the person. There is Alexander the Great and then there is the medieval "Alexander" a legendary figure, one of the "Nine Worthies". Is the actual historical Frederick Barbarossa sleeping in a distant cavern, ready to wake? Must that aspect get discussed in contexts that also includes the granting of urban charters and the politics behind the Crusades? Wetman 15:31, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you have a point, but please define it less atmospherically.  Lord Kenneð Alansson 16:04, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been somewhat "atmospheric" about things in the past, Kenneth, so don't call the kettle black. :) I do agree Wetman should come up with a proposal for separating fact from fiction in the article. Martijn faassen 18:50, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinguishing Biography and Legend and Fiction

message: I noticed the first part of this article follows newadvent.com's entry on Brendan almost verbaitem. It sounds as if this is bordering plagiarism. I call for this article to have major editing or some parts of it rewriitten. --BrenDJ 18:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's the same newadvent.com I am thinking of, that would have been taken from the online Catholic Encyclopedia, a source from the early 1900s, and public domain.  Many articles copy text from it verbatim; there's a tag  that should be added to articles that reproduce it.  Not sure that this text does, but if it does, all that has to be done is to add that bit in, and an appropriate notice will appear.  Smerdis of Tlön 19:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism?

message: I just removed this comment by User:68.127.231.197 from the article page. I'm sure he intended for it to go here.
:Speaking of the Canary Islands, aside from the known seven islands, the native people sometimes refer to the Isla de San Borondon, or Island of St. Brendan, as another island of the group. This is not really an island, but a bank of cloud that hangs to the north of Gran Canaria and Teneriffe and is visible during certain times of the year. Aside from the voyage to the Americas, perhaps the voyage to the Islands of Paradise was actually to the Canaries, and this legend is the last trace of this adventure, separate from the one reenacted by Tim Severin to North America, and subsecuently confused with it. 68.127.231.197 04:16, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also rm, text about "Brendan Joseph Dale" - poss hoax (see here), nn vanity etc etc. --SigPig 11:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed from article

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*Support, because Smerdis has a good point, but as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names), we should use the most common name for the title, and that's "Saint Brendan" in this case, not "Brendan" (or "Brendan of Clonfort").--Cúchullain t/c 17:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Also note the existence of Saint Brendan's, a liqueur.  "Saint Brendan" is more ambiguous than Brendan of Clonfort.  Smerdis of Tlön 19:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: What are people's feelings on deleting this article's Pop Culture section? They tend to get loaded up with every single mention in any movie, song or video game, no matter how trivial. I'm for deleting it all unless there is an outcry. Mlouns 16:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete it, and incoporate anything useful into the main article (if there is anything).--Cúchullain t/c 19:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture section 

message: Despite the discussion at the top of this page (dated 2004).  this section was removed.  you could accuse it of plagiarism, but not of original research.  Its referenced.  the quotes used are straight from Pat Coogan's book.  I restored the section ClemMcGann (talk) 23:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas! removed again; it seems that some editors do not recognise this talk page. ClemMcGann (talk) 14:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inscriptions in North America 

message: In Dante's PURGATORIO, Purgatory and the Garden of Eden are located on an island that can only be reached by a long sea journey.  Has there been any discussion of whether Dante read the St. Brendan legend and decided to use a few details?
CharlesTheBold (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dante may have read the Navigatio (it was certainly widely disseminated in Latin and there was a 14th century Tuscan version), but the positioning of Eden and Purgatory on islands could have been derived from any number of sources. Many medieval descriptions of Eden dating from before and after the Navigatio locate it on an island and the same goes for Purgatory and assorted manifestations of the infernal regions. I don't think anyone has looked into the legend's possible influence on Dante in a concerted way, possibly because it's so hard to make firm connections. It is a very intriguing issue though. ANB (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dante inspired by legend? 

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