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Wikipedia talk:Independent sources

message: Consider any somewhat-well-known band. 
It's absolutely clear that their own estimate of their own notability is inherently flawed. But does this fact mean that I can't treat their own track lists or lyrics pages as reliable sources?
My question boils down to this: People naturally have reasons to lie about certain things. (Mostly money and power.) Is it acceptable to trust first-party sources on those things for which they have no reason to lie? TooManyFingers (talk) 07:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:ABOUTSELF. Johnuniq (talk) 07:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perfectly clear, thanks for the response. TooManyFingers (talk) 08:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the type of content matter? 

message: If "second party" is to be thrown out, then "first party" ought to be thrown out too, since both of them are "made up" in this context and "third party" is the only one of the three that is a legitimate term. My logic was if we are using made-up terms anyway then we might as well complete the picture. The fact that "first party" has been used longer on Wikipedia isn't evidence of anything. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We aren't using made-up terms.  It's just not as logical as you were hoping.  See second party, a disambiguation page that will lead you to the stub Party (law), which explains about the old-fashioned "party of the first part" and "party of the second part", whence these terms were derived.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second party 

message: In the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources#Relationship_to_notability, the article states, "The core policy Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not requires that it be possible to verify a subject with at least one independent source, or else the subject may not have a separate article in Wikipedia."
However, a later section in the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources#How_to_meet_the_requirement says, "Sources: At least two third-party sources should cover the subject, to avoid idiosyncratic articles based upon a single perspective."
So is it one source, or two? Also, I either read or closely skimmed all parts of the article referenced in the first quote, and could not find where it claims a requirement that "it be possible to verify a subject with at least one independent source, or else the subject may not have a separate article in Wikipedia."
Thanks for feedback Greg Dahlen (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it one source or two?
Talk:Postal codes in Turkey

message: == Application ==
I put that application on the page for any ambitious wikipedialilar to sit down one afternoon and pick them all out.--Patrickneil 05:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I put that application on the page for any ambitious wikipedialilar to sit down one afternoon and pick them all out.--Patrickneil 05:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application
Talk:USS Somers (1842)

message: If it had a crew complement of 120, why were only 32 drowned and 7 captured when it capsized ?  What happened to the other 81 ? StuRat 15:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing crew ? 

message: I find it hard to believe that a ship in 1842 used the naval jack used 1960-2002? --Broadbeer 11:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Jack 

message: The mutiny was by far the most famous event, and deserves its own article, Somers Mutiny which I have started. Rjensen (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutiny
Talk:Alameda railway station

message: We have a conflict the the name of this article and the article about the commune and city of Estacion Central.   According to the standard for naming settlements in Chile, they are named "Community, Chile", however in the case of the community of Estacion Central that is the name of this article.   
This is currently the only exception for all communities in Chile.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to resolve this conflict?  --JAXHERE | Talk 15:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one has proposed any other solution, I believe the form used in England may be the most useful and logical for this case.  The station's article will thus be named "Estación Central railway station" and it's previous name thus freed up for use in the name of the community's article.  --JAXHERE | Talk 14:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article name 

message: The station is labelled 'Alameda' by the trains swerving it, so Alameda Station is a logical name.  The metro station is called Estacion Central, but that can be attributed to the quarter and not the railway station.--Oldboltonian (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alameda
Talk:201 Portage

message: It's a 33-storey building. The edit making it 32-stories is incorrect. Unfortunately this person didn't look at the facts correctly. No where on 201portage.com does it call it a 32-storey building. Anyone who disagrees isn't reading properly.Njaohnt (talk) 21:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's a 33-storey building 

message: This page should be at least Mid-importance(maybe even high), it's the tallest building from Toronto to Calgary!Njaohnt (talk) 21:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Low-Importance?
Talk:Lisa Fremont

message: The board game Six Degrees of Lisa Fremont seems not to have been published anywhere; fans have not identified themselves as a known organization and the southern university city could be anywhere. The writing here is presently prophesy. A google on on the phrase "Six Degrees of Lisa Fremont" turns up only references to Wikipedia or one of its mirrors. I shall remove this section in about two weeks if no other editor can augment it in any meaningful way.Gosgood 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Six Degrees of Lisa Fremont: Does it exist?
Talk:Frederic Lindsay

message: Improvements this article could use:
An expansion of the 'other works' section to include more details of Lindsay's non-series novels Astrofiammante 15:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Peter A. Olsson

message: #1979 Judith Baskin Offer Prize for his paper "Adolescent Involvement with the Supernatural and Cults.
#Contributed chapters to eight books about psychology.
#Appearance in History Channel Documentary, 2006.
#Plenary speech at the annual meeting of The American Society of Psychoanalytic Physicians, in 2006. 
#"Shoko Asahara: The malignant pied piper of Japan", cited by Rosenman in The American Journal of Psychoanalysis.
#Numerous articles in scholarly journals as listed in article mainspace. 
*Could cite more as well, including all publications listed in article below.  Smee 12:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability backed up by cited citations
Talk:Holbeck Urban Village

message: This page shouldn't be deleted as it is not advertising any company, only explaining the name of an area of Leeds, and how it has gained it's name. It is meant to be a balanced article also stating the negative effects of the 'urban village' government initiative and will hopefully lead to further contributions and discussion.
This page shouldn't be deleted for 'lack of notability' as the 'urban village' concept and 'holbeck urban village' are refered to in articles about the city of Leeds and in articles about Holbeck, they already contained links to the Holbeck urban village website without explaining what it was. 
--MrCampbell 09:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Validity of article
Template talk:KosMunic

message: To reflect common English usage, I propose to modify the template to show the Serbian name first, and the Albanian one second. This will help to make more intuitive the whole template, including an alphabetical ordination based on the first name given, and not the second one :-) Anyone objects ? Best regards, Evv 15:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that "common English usage" seems to vary for different cases. Even one such example would suffice to challenge such a change, and this will be done, I'm more than certain, given the history of edit warring on these topics... The existing scheme (Albanian always goes first because it is first alphabetically) is far from perfect, but it has two things for it: it is consistent, and it is neutral. -- int19h 19:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've gone through all the places mentioned in this template and did a quick Google test on them. Serbian names won all the times, except for one case: Skenderaj is seemingly somewhat more popular than Srbica. Google test is not necessarily "common English usage", of course, but even so, it does show that the case is not quite as clear-cut. -- int19h 13:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Clear enough. I don't have any objections against the renaming then. -- int19h 16:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to hear that :-) In case someone else has anything to say, I will wait a couple more days before doing the modifications. - Best regards, Evv 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Template modified (diff.) - Evv 03:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Why not leave it at Serbian names only, since that's how they are in English? In the article we could include Albanian, and other names for cities. --Bolonium 20:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change: Serbian/Albanian
Talk:Guyanese Creole

message: The Phrases section of this document is not to list every word that is used in the English language and the creole version of it, but to give a general idea of speech patterns and structure of the language. 
Also, there is a very bizaare juvenile individual who insists on inputting the words
# Homophobic slur for a gay man - battyman, mummaman, anti-man
# Gay - gay
# Lesbian - lesbian
# Homosexual - homosexual
# Bisexual - bisexual
# Transexual - transexual
# Penis - lolo, birdie
# Vagina - patacake, pokey, punani, nani
Its obvious that most English speakers now know what these words mean, as Guyana is in the American sphere of influence, and is influenced by what happens in other western countries.
Can the individual who is obsessed with these word, and who keeps inputting them please please go to
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
On the Urban Dictionary web site, one can input and vote on phrases and words related to your culture or anything....hours and days of juvenile fun.
:I've removed a number of phrases as the section was getting unnecessarily long.  I have no idea if the current phrases are correct but changes to the list should be mentioned here and additions to the list should be justified.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 08:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just came across this page while checking out differences in Caribbean creoles. I saw more juvenile additions and deleted them. Not being a censor, just trying to make the page as the initial creator probably intended, cf. not a list of taboo words or personal vendetta about certain individuals.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.229.8 (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  fun with words 

message: The phrases on the main page don't follow any standard linguistic phonetic spellings. As Guyanese Creolese is an English dialect, the words are English words pronounced with an accent. Similar to how someone from Massachusetts would say "cyar pak" for the phrase "car park", the phrases noted on the page are simply english words spelled phonetically like how they would sound. But conceptually are the same English words noted in the "literal translation".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.152.192 (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, all of that is just plain wrong.  Guyanese Creole is not an English dialect, it's a separate language with strong English lexical roots.  The identification of the cognate English words, while interesting, is not only original research, which we frown upon, but don't actually constitute  a "literal" translation.  If I recall correctly, the spellings provided are from the sources themselves.  Not quite phonetic, not part of a standard orthography, but that sort of middle ground happens a lot with creole languages. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 00:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  phrases 

message: She's just speaking regular english? RedesignSucksAss (talk) 00:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with that wikitongues video
Talk:Matlock, Jack Foust, Jr.

message: Matlock's books have been published under Jack F. Matlock, Jr., therefore this is the name we should use for his article. I have incorporated the information from this article into the other already.  If someone knows how to do the redirect thing, I'd appreciate the help.  Moomot 15:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge
Template talk:Flight instruments

message: Ok, I found a very unusual instrument in the SR-71 manual: http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/1/1-138.php , a Peripheral vision horizon display . It probably ought to go *somewhere* on this template, maybe, but it's complicated. <scratches head> --Kim Bruning (talk) 01:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Chrysopelea ornata

message: Your edits about C. ornata being mildly venomous need proper referencing/citation. Should you fail to provide these, your edits are liable to being reverted. Please provide these in order for the information to remain. AshLin 10:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A little searching provided this link but would definitely like a more reliable source ! Shyamal 10:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually found some here -  Shyamal 10:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion warning to anon editor, give citations or info will be deleted

message: I think that photo is actually C paradisi (https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chrysopelea_paradisi). The ornata doesn't have red coloration I think. JuanTamad (talk) 07:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Red-spotted form of Chrysopelea ornata from North Bengal, India
Talk:Finding My Way (song)

message: During the song, when the music goes a little soft and Alex is playing the same riff over and over again, what is the single word that Getty Lee whispers along with the riff.  Any feedback would be great.
I think it's either "Cha", "Chaz", or "Jazz".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.92.68 (talk) 02:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Finding My Way and In the Mood (Rush song) are both incorrectly categorised as albums. One of you (regular Rush editors) may want to take a look at this, and shuffle them off to wherever they belong. WikHead (talk) 00:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I've just taken care of this myself. It still appears to be incorrectly categorised in six other languages, but I'm leaving that part alone. WikHead (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorisation
Talk:Joint Network Node

message: Does this new description satisfy a removal of ? I know it's still a little on the technical side. Hit me up on my talk page if anyone feels the need.
PFloyd 15:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Context

message: Many problems with this article.
(1) Use of the word system, as I believe you mean for it to be used, is very ambiguous, and incorrect in the context of "JNN System".  JNN, which comprised MULTIPLE systems within a singular nodal element, was the name of a single Node, not the name of the "system".  In its early days the 2nd generation of the NETWORK was JNN-N (JNN Network), Never was it called the JNN "system". 1st Generation was JNTCS (Which stood for Joint Network Tactical Communication System) 
Either way, it's use in present terms is also incorrect, even as of the last update to this page, which occurred years after its incorporation into WIN-T and subsequently "Force Modification" and "Force Modernization" rendered the JNN network naming convention obsolete.
I retired from working on this equipment just as they were changing from WIN-T to "Force Mod".   I believe they also changed the names of the nodal elements (I. e., JNN) so the new network was dissimilar to any of its predecessors, even in naming conventions. I may be wrong on that though. 
The Promina is not a switch, and was never a core element, being strictly FDMA point-to-point.  In fact it was rarely used within the constraints of the network, except to gain global access, or as an alternate access medium. 
JNN was modeled after the earlier Baseband Node (BBN),  and earlier versions incorporated elements of the Mobile Subscriber Equipment (MSE) switches, which it was designed to replace as migration to data and VoIP began to make their way to battlefields, eventually rendering MSE obsolete. 
Beyond that, I tried reading this article from a non-insider point of view, and my reaction would be... "huh?" kinda like the AFLAC duck reacting to Yogi Berra.  "What is this article even saying?" Anyone not already in-the-know would not be able to make sense of it.  Those in-the-know wouldn't need it.  My recommendation: (1) Completely rewrite the article or (2) delete it altogether. 49.144.72.189 (talk) 04:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  not only incomplete but also fundamentally inaccurate
Talk:List of municipalities of the Province of Viterbo

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Comuni of the Province of Agrigento which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress
Talk:The Irish Tenors

message: The Irish Tenors are pretty big.  I was surprised that there hasn't been an article about it already.  It was originally comprised of two big-namers like John McDermott and Ronan Tynan.  I just found that this article was created, so i will immediately supplement with notability sources. -Taco325i 15:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the Irish Tenors are definitely notable.  They meet WP:BAND, at the very least "Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio or TV network."  Their concerts have been broadcast numerous time on PBS.  They also have other media coverage:    and further google search turns up more. --Aude (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tynan was a relative unknown before the Irish Tenors though his popularity has increased in certain circles over the years.  Some background on The Irish Tenors is included in the Wiki bio of Finbar Wright if you need a starting point.--Walknnirishrain (talk) 11:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Championnat de France de la Montagne

message: This article does not mention any of the venues where this championship takes place? Rupertlt (talk) 14:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Venues
Talk:Westmar High School

message: The format of the article should conform to Wikipedia's guide to layout.  Unencyclopedic information, such as the cost of the yearbook and the names of every teacher in the school, should be kept to a minimum.  See also Wikiproject Schools for more guidelines on articles relating to schools. ... discospinster talk 15:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment
Talk:Changer of Worlds

message: I will be working on estabilishing notability for Honorverse works in the near future (and some other mil sci stuff). Starting here. Found only one review (Locus, per ISFDb - added). Anything else we can add here to have this meet NBOOK? There are capsule reviews from Kirkus and (a bit longer) from Publishers Weekly, I guess (haven't added those yet; Kirkus is so short it's hard to treat it seriously, maybe PW's can count as the second source?). That makes it pretty borderline... @Cunard, @Daranios Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Those are very capsule-ish, so I think this is borderline, notability-wise. But we have enough to let it stew for a while longer... moving on. I've added the reviews to the article. Thanks! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability
Talk:Kind of Like Spitting

message: Why was the myspace link removed?
I don't understand the reasoning behind that.  It was a blog from the band's official page and written by Ben himself, how can that not be reliable?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.144.128 (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2007
:well, now its not even a link to this band. myspace is not a reliable source, but can be used as an external link for notable subjects. i have trimmed out all uncited material here. there is still an external link to a detailed discography, but thats for fans only, not really encyclopedic. Ben probably deserves his own article. the vinyl release of "Moon" was a beautiful bright yellow, made in the czech republic.(Mercurywoodrose)76.232.9.165 (talk) 18:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Service-level agreement

message: The statement that "there can be no 'agreement' between third parties; these agreements are simply 'contracts'" is nonsense.  First, any parties can have an agreement.  Second, the very definition of "contract" is an agreement between two or more parties.
Although this sentence as given is clearly wrong, I have not stricken or rewritten it because I don't know the author's intention.  Perhaps there is a valid point about SLA's that the author was trying to make, but phrased it wrong.  I have marked the sentence with a "citation needed" flag for now, but someone who knows more than I about SLA's and third parties should either correct or delete this sentence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScribeMonk (talk • contribs) 18:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agreement vs. Contract
Talk:Atukuri Molla

message: Molla is one of the most famous telugu writers. She is very important personality. She was the first famous telugu woman writer and second telugu writer only to Tallapaka Timmakka, wife of Annamacharya. She was from lower caste. Her work also shows spread of education reach during vijayanagara period to women and lower caste. So it should not be deleted, rather should be extended. When I buy books of her, I will add more info. I also continue researching. If you do not believe her, just search "Telugu Molla" on google. So please do not delete it. mlpkr 16:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance of Molla 

message: Can we remove the term 'poetess' from the name of this page? 'Poetess' is an outdated and rather demeaning word. Nowadays a female poet is a poet and a female author is an author: not an 'authoress'. Can we please avoid sexist language?
Rimi talk contribs 18:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to Molla (poet).  Agreed.  Molla is a disambiguation page. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 23:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove the term 'poetess'? 