Talk:Tzadik

message: The following is referenced in a footnote in the "Biography of the Alter Rebbe" published by Kehot and reportedly edited by the Lubavitcher Rebbe himself to explain why Chassidim callng their Rebbes by the name of G-d is not against Torah teachings or Jewish tradition as is claimed by Avigdor in the accusation against the Alter Rebbe:
ואין לתמוה אם ניצוץ מהארת שכינה, נקרא בשם שכינה
There is no need to wonder at a spark of the radiance of the Shechinah being referred to (in Tzavaat HaRivash) as Shechinah.
דהא אשכחן שאפילו מלאך נברא נקרא בשם ה׳, בפרשת וירא, לפירוש הרמב״ן
For we find that even a created angel, which is not a spark of the Shechinah, is referred to by G‑d’s Name in Parshat VaYeira, in the verse,59 “And he said, ‘Lord, do not pass by your servant,” according to the commentary of R. Moses Nachmanides (the Ramban);
וכמו שכתוב: ותקרא שם ה׳ הדובר אליה וכו׳, וכהאי גוונא טובא
and as it is likewise written,60 “And [Hagar] called the name of G‑d Who spoke to her...,” where we are explicitly told that we are speaking of an angel; and many more [passages] like this.
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http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=7970
Ariel Sokolovsky 16:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another quote

message: Because of my background and education is chabad oriented, this page may contain statements and views which others may disagree with, if anyone feels that I have written only from chabad's viewpoint and not a general viewpoint, either leave me a message on my talk page and I will try to find a non chabad source for it, or write the other viewpoints yourself in a NPOV way. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 07:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The way you presented the Rebbe's comment may or may not represent most Chabad chassidim's true understanding of it, however it does not reflect those of (at least) a major section within Chabad, whicj is much closer to what has been expressed at Chabad Lubavitch#Relationship between God, the Rebbe and his followers. Perhaps the two differing interpretations represent two factions within Chabad chassidim]]. -- Nahum 03:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True.  It also does not point out that all other Jewish groups reject these teachings. RK 15:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I was thinking of a differnt sub-section in Chabad Lubavitch. -- Nahum 06:41, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article should be rewritten and reorganized. It should indubitably include a section on Chabad's unique approach to the tzaddik, but it should also try to avoid being permeated by the Chabad POV, which it currently is. Providing a section on sources, and then sections on major approaches/views, might be apropos. Ergo: General Introduction, Talmudic View, Rabbinic Commentary View (incl. Maimonides), Kabballah View (incl. Chabad's derekh).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.191.74 (talk) 09:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Chabad views

message: "However, Judaism does not believe in the Tzadik being like God."
I deleted this since it is POV (prommotes Rambam's POV over other Rishonim, contradicts Chassidic and Sefardic and Kabbalistic teachings on the subject ) and directly contradicts the tone of the whole article.
This could be changed to "ultra rationalist fundmentalist Mimonidean strain of Judaism does not believe in the Tzadik being like God" in that case this would make some sense.
Actually I just changed it to "Ultra-rationalist fundmentalist Mimonedian strains of Judaism does not believe in the Tzadik being like God however this opposition to anthropomorphism could have been influenced by the Muslim rationalist philosophy popular at that time."
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.236.223.101 (talk) 05:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which Rishonim, Chassidic, Sefardic or Kabbalistic teachings disagree with this? From the sources that were brought, it is all a matter of terminology, but not that anyone or Judaism for that matter believes that they are G-d. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 12:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: deleted sentense

message: Do Jews have any notion of what in means to be a saint within their own religion, other than just among nations ? I am asking this because of the uproar noticed during the Pius XII beatification process, where many Jews felt that he was not a saint, and some later responded that Jews were wannabe Roman Catholics. ADM (talk) (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unmessianic Jews are certainly not wannabe Roman Catholics. For the Jews (Judaism-following, not ethnic), there is still confusion over this really. The Torah-reading lot get bothered by the lack of sacrifices in a temple, which makes it rather hard to see how they can go to heaven, and the most of them have a very loose idea (understandable from the OT alone) exactly what heaven is, but think that if there is a general resurrection, they all go end up there. To my knowledge, Jews do not use the term saint for themselves, and surely have far greater objections to the pope (including the whole idea about Jesus...) than about who the RCs think get special treatment.— Kan8eDie (talk) 19:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pius XII controversy

message: The page should have a section explicitly discussing the significance of the tzadik in hasidism, not in terms of his religious significance, but his social as well; how he functions as leader of the community, counselor, etc.Flygongengar (talk) 08:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance in Hasidism (social)