Talk:Lupin the 3rd: The Mystery of Mamo

message: DTFRM stands for "Discuss the Freaky Removal". --Ryanasaurus0077 22:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Per Ryanasaurus0077's request, the discussion of why I removed the MPAA ratings. The following ratings have been added to the article:
:PG (HK dub),
:PG-13 (re-rating) (1995),
:16+ (2003 DVD)
Searching at filmratings.com, the MPAA's database, for "lupin", "rupan", or "mystery of mamo" turns up no listings. Also, "16+" not an MPAA rating. Please provide a reliable reference for these ratings. tregoweth 00:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MPAA ratings 

message: I have reverted the changes made by User:Sjones23 on 23:43, 3 June 2007. The stated rationale "all deceased actors and cast members should always have "the late" before their names" is not defined in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style and is not used in Wikipedia articles. See, for example, the The Internet Movie database website that lists movies and casts, or take a look at other Wikipedia articles that contain a cast list. Truthanado 23:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deceased cast members

message: "Jigen fires his gun only twice in this film."
I count three times:
#The airplane tire
#Mamo
#Empty can on the ground
But there may be another I cannot recall. So I will not edit until I know for sure.
I'm pretty sure he fires more than twice, myself. LupintheThird (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jigen's shots

message: :Image:L3mdvd3.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 22:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:L3mdvd3.jpg

message: We have absolutely no source quoted for these voices (Peter Fernandez, Earl Hammond, et al.). Would the original contributor be so kind as to post theirs? Thanks. LupintheThird (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just remember that anything you claim must be supported by reliable sources (that meet Wikipedia's criteria). This also means it should be published by one, comments from a known industry source but conveyed via email for example may be problematic.　Saying we don't know who they are is better than saying we think it's these people but can't prove it. SephyTheThird (talk) 10:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood. --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 11:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

text: This just in, I have just received word that Mamaux's voice in the Toho dub may have been performed by Mike Worman, as evidenced by a voice clip from Arcadia of My Youth (which apparently wasn't properly linked to when brought to my attention). I'll give it a listen as soon as I can access it. Pat, what would be the best comparison point from this film when listening to the voice clip? --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Just finished watching Kamui, and I think I recognized the voices of Dan Dunn, Margo, Gordon, and the Police Commissioner there. I think I heard Jigen's voice as Jiro's father, Gordon's voice as Tenkai, and the Police Commissioner's voice as Mark Twain--respectively, Cliff Harrington, Jack Marguardt, and Don Knode. I'll have to double-check, though. As for Margo, her voice actress could've been Judy Sackheim, Michelle Hart, Mary Malone, or Rumiko Varnes, though I suspect the latter was a Frontier newcomer in the mid-'80s, after Mamo was dubbed. William Ross also voiced a couple of characters, including the Village Elder who does some exposition on the dagger and Jiro's real mother, in Kamui. Could he have used either of those voices for another Mamo character besides the one we already know? (Seriously, the Village Elder in Kamui doesn't sound like Samurai; the Village Elder sounds a bit more gruff, whereas Samurai sounds more stentorian, assuming I'm using that word correctly.) --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 11:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Actually, I was talking about Mamaux's voice. --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 12:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

text: I think it would be better, there are plenty of forums and such where this could be done. I'm all for research into the cast, but as I'm sure you've realised, Wikipedia done properly is reliant on hard fact which is difficult in this case, regardless of who approves of the research. For example, while Reed's on disc content is clearly usable by it being published on disc, using his site or twitter as a source is a grey area - similar to how Lupin Encyclopedia's content (non-forum) is now not considered a reliable source even though Luis Cruz wrote Lupin reviews for AnimeonDVD (a reliable source).SephyTheThird (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: JAL/Toho English Dub Cast??

message: I reedited the claim "As the dub fell into the public domain, it was released on DVD by Image Entertainment in 1998, without the still-copyrighted Japanese dialogue." as this is simply inaccurate.  I daresay it's impossible for Steamline's 1995 dub to have fallen in the US public domain, given the various upgrades and extensions given to US copyright laws.  I suspect that Image licensed the dub from MGM, who only had the rights to Steamline dubbed version (They acquired Streamline through their buyout of Orion).  Any claims that the dub is public domain need to be backed up by reliable sources. AtomicMysteryMonster (talk) 23:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is indeed the case. Orion Home Video was only around during the early years of DVD, and Image Entertainment released all of their DVDs. This is coming from someone who, as mentioned above, knew more about home video than early English-dubbed anime several years ago. --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 08:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not public domain 

message: I'm leaving it was a blank C since I am divided about the grading scheme and my own opinion. I'll note my issues below.
*Long paragraphs look unsourced until read to the end. I suggest encasing a paragraph with the source instead.
*Loose mini paragraphs in the release section.
*There are too many unknowns in the table. Why not just exclude the table to the main cast, which is complete under Manga UK.
*The plot is long but was not an influence on my assessment. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 11:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The cast table is probably the only thing I didn't touch. Currently I need to find sources for the entire casts before making any changes (Discotek release only has Jp credits in full), but I do plan on reducing it in length like you suggest. Release section is subject to more information but it is on my list of sources to check.Dandy Sephy (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Assessed. Left B1 blank. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 05:53, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick assessments 

message: Um... why has the cast list been reduced to ONLY the core characters? No other Wikipedia page on anime dubs does this. Even if there are credits for voice actors missing across all four dubs, I think the original cast table should be restored.  --120.146.186.233 (talk) 07:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This was suggested by the user who reassessed the page in the section above.SephyTheThird (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast list 

message: The review of the movie for the Punk Effect should be restored. Without a link as comprehensive as that, this article portrays the film in too negative a light without presenting a balanced opinion. Could something be done to make the Punk Effect be seen as a reliable source?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.146.186.233 (talk) 08:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that it's a random blog and doesn't pass any of wikipedia's consensus requirements of reliable sources. It was argued that it's a professional site, but there is no basis for this claim to use it as a wikipedia source. It's a good article, but also written by a high schooler who clearly isn't recognised as an expert in any of the applicable fields for this article. I agree a more balanced opinion is the correct goal, but we still have to use reliable sources to do so. However I would also argue that the film reception is mixed in general, the complaints about the third act are more or less universal but different reviewers have given different weights to how much it affects the film as a whole. I should note that the removal of the review was discussed with the user who added it, who also happened to be the person who wrote it in the first place - wikipedia isn't for promoting your own articles. SephyTheThird (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that. To make up for the loss of a generally great article, I've replaced it with a summary of Why Mamo Matters from the Discotek DVD. Since it was created for the Discotek release and ANN is a trusted source (I think), I hope it's a good substitute. (PS - What improvements could be made to the article to pass B class standard assessments? As you can see, I've made plenty of changes to the article - which I only hope can be seen as improvements - but do you have any suggestions? I've still had trouble cutting down the plot summary because I can't really find any other ways of shortening it without making it incoherent. Thanks!--120.146.186.233 (talk) 07:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, I agree the replacement is better for our purposes. Being on the disc itself isn't a problem if we present it right. I need to have a fresh look at what we have, I have some things to add and possibly change but have deliberately held it back to give a fairer assessment. We probably need more for a B, but it's on the right track.SephyTheThird (talk) 10:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the Punk Effect review 

message: Just from a quick scan of the Referances, two stick out for the wrong reasons. Firstly, I've found nothing so far to suggest Toho Kingdom is a reliable source. However I've left it so far as thee may be evidence it has been used by other reliable sources - we should consider replacing it if we can. Also while ANN's created content (I.e. Review, interviews, etc)is RS, it's encyclopedia however is not, at least one refs needs to be changed.SephyTheThird (talk) 12:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did find the box office performance of the movie on the Japanese version of the movie's article, and searched for AGES to find some kind of source. I thought that Toho Kingdom would be a reliable source since Toho was the original Japanese distributor. I think I heard from elsewhere about the Toho dub being restored from multiple versions, but I lost track of the original source. For now, is ti alright if I leave the Toho dub fact un-sourced?--120.146.186.233 (talk) 08:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Toho Kingdom isn't affiliated with Toho though (the site even has a big disclaimer at the bottom). I have asked about it on a wikiproject before, but I'll run it past some others in case it's been used by RS sites as a source. At the moment it's supporting a claim that really needs a proper RS source or to be removed completely.SephyTheThird (talk) 16:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no evidence of its reliability. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Would be some way of contacting the site managers at TK to see how and where they got their box office info? --120.146.186.233 (talk) 08:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: As you can see, I've added some additional variants of the characters' names in the cast list, namely 'Detective Zenigata' (which is what Inspector Zenigata was called in the Streamline and Manga dubs) and 'Haward Lockewood.' For their dub, Streamline changed the pronunciation of Mamo's real name (Howard Lockewood in the Japanese version and Geneon dub) to make up for a translation goof late in the film (in which 'Howard Lockewood' is misspelled as 'Haward Lockewood'). However, some (including previous versions of this movie's article) have shown that Streamline's intended spelling of the name was 'Hayward Lockewood'. Is there any evidence to support 'Hayward Lockewood' as an actual variant of Mamo's real name? If not, I'll just keep it as Haward. --120.146.186.233 (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haward/Hayward Lockewood? 

message: As a heads-up, I've created a Wikitalk page for this movie. However, I don't think it should be added just yet - it's pretty rough and so far only uses quotes from the Toho dub. --120.146.186.233 (talk) 11:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikitalk 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on The Mystery of Mamo. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141016052115/http://www.mania.com/lupin-3rd-movie-secret-mamo_article_75273.html to http://www.mania.com/lupin-3rd-movie-secret-mamo_article_75273.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:57, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on The Mystery of Mamo. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140419233220/http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/lupin3secretmamo.php to http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/lupin3secretmamo.php
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070927012028/http://www.lupinthethird.info/movies/1/mamoo_en.html to http://www.lupinthethird.info/movies/1/mamoo_en.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified