Talk:Mumblecore

message: What is going on with this section?  There are two lists with completely different entries titled the same thing. I don't know if the lists are mislabeled or if there has been a failure to merge two lists or what, but it is very confusing. I'd try to figure it out myself and change it, but seeing this article was my introduction to the concept overall. 
--Edleob (talk) 00:14, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the second list is "mumblegore", with a "g". Korny O'Near (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Mumblecore Films 

message: This article should be deleted because it contains unremarkable people, groups, companies or web content. 
The so-called movement or genre is in actuality a self-referential group of home-made films and film-makers with no relevance to the wider film culture. It is not a movement recognized by film critics, or film-schools as an actual American historical film movement, such as Golden Age of Hollywood, or the New Hollywood movement. It is simply a handful of home-made films with non-professional actors, of which there are thousand of on YouTube, that never gained an audience in sufficient numbers to qualify as a movement. It's only mention in the wider world are a couple of articles that mention the term 'mumblecore' which was itself originated by a participant in of these films. The articles are in semi-mainstream papers, but mainly blogs run by the friends or sympathizers of the directors of these films. It includes one (1) article in the Village Voice, and one (1) article in the New York Times, both located in the city where these films were shown. Most of the hype of the term 'mumblecore' are on blogs on the internet.
Speedy Keep - This article should not be deleted, and the mere proposal that it should is ridiculous.  I read the article in the New York Times (AKA "The Newspaper of Record") declaring "mumblecore" a bona fide trend/genre.  I came to wikipedia to learn more about this trend, the very reason for the existence of wikipedia.  ~porters  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.86.220 (talk) 05:17, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
I'll second keeping this article. I came across the term mumblecore on a several blogs and came to wikipedia to find out what the heck it is. This is afterall the whole purpose of wikipedia.
- Pizzle 06:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for deletion 

message: What about Half Nelson That had mumbling in it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.138.12.194 (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of mumblecore films 

message: Because the film makers mumble a lot? Because the no-name actors do? Because that's what the characters do? Why mumblecore as opposed to slackercore or DIYcore or thekidswhoaremakingmoviesthesedayscore? --72.81.135.206 (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.  I wondered that myself.  Given how recent the term is, it should not be too hard to find the first published usage by a film critic and use the discussion there as a reference. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 15:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Yeah exactly. I've had a stab, but its far from perfect and help welcome. The sources mention Kevin Smith and Ive put him there in the lead, though I have no time whatsoever for his work. Ceoil (talk) 02:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay fine, but why MUMBLEcore? 

message: Salon article on Mumblecore:  Lampman (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Salon article

message: Slacker seems to be exactly the same concept, except it came out in 1991. Does this really count as a genre, then, or is it just an epithet that's applied to today's version of 20-something low-budget movies? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  what about [[Slacker (film)|Slacker]]? 

message: User:Ohwhataslaughter deleted the following three films from the mumblecore list: The Last Hurrah, Douchebag, and The Untitled Kartik Krishnan Project.  An anon user User:99.48.214.16 has also been taking these three same films out.  I have been reediting them back in.  I still am leaning towards their inclusion, because I haven't found a source that mumblecore is a group of filmmakers, but generally refers to a filmmaking style.  I wanted to check if there was anyone watching this talk page who had an opinion to come to consensus about the list XinJeisan (talk) 08:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your personal opinion isn't relevant; have those three films been described as mumblecore by the mainstream media? Otherwise you're just building your own personal list, in which case I suggest you have a look at TVTropes, you'll love it there. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Mumblecore 

message: Shane Carruth's films fit many of the criteria. Does he have to be a pal of the other directors, or something?  Thanks!  OcelotHod (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Primer? 

message: This article shouldn't exist for the following reasons:
1) It's a "neologism" that was spontaneously uttered by someone in a social setting.  It hasn't really gained traction, even in academic circles that study the movies that have been mentioned in the article.  (As noted in the article, people refer to these movies by any number of ways but rarely "mumblecore".)
2) The characteristics attributed to "mumblecore" films are shared by many "art house" or "indie" motion pictures.  Even if we limit the scope to American cinema, these movies are not uniquely improvisational, character-driven, "low budget", "low production values", etc.
3) The filmmakers themselves deny being part of a "mumblecore" movement.
4) The given time period lasts for approximately ten years, yet many of the filmmakers are still making similar kinds of movies.  Furthermore, new filmmakers use the same techniques (which have been in existence since the beginning of cinema).
Some of the listed films and filmmakers are indeed noteworthy, but the "mumblecore" concept is not.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just google "mumblecore" and you'll find 425,000 pages. Among others, articles by the British Film Institute (Where to Begin with Mumblecore) and various sites devoted to film culture and pop culture, with titles like "20 Great Mumblecore Movies Every Indie Lover Should See", "Movie movements that defined cinema: Mumblecore", and "How Mumblecore Films Are Changing the Hollywood Landscape", all published in the last couple years. So yeah, Wikipedia should cover something that belongs to the cultural landscape, and that's hard to deny. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 08:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

text: I don't really understand why, 14 years later (the original deletion proposal was 2007), there are still and handful of unregistered users who are committed to trying to make mumblecore "not a thing." It doesn't matter that some film enthusiasts turn up their noses at it, or if they object to its use for one reason or another. Based on Wikipedia notability standards, it doesn't even matter what the filmmakers say about the movement or how much they deny it — notability is determined by secondary sources. WP:GNG And the term has been used across a wide variety of significant, reliable sources to describe a certain type of film which was especially prominent during a certain period of time, as Kumagoro-42 noted above. It continues to be used in sources to this day, indicating sustained significance. WP:SUSTAINED The fact that this conversation is even happening arguably could even be evidence of its sustained significance.Wemedgefrodis (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 23:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Proposal for Deletion 

message: The southkorean filmmaker is the real father of this movement. He has been making this kind of films since late 90s. Of course, his kind of 'independent cinema' is different from the american independent cinema but all of the characteristics described in this article were in his filmography.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.155.86.76 (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: He might be a precursor (if the mumblecore directors even knew of him), but the mumblecore movement is North American, it doesn't embrace everything with the same style across international film history, it's specific of a certain era, place and group of directors. See also other filmmakers mentioned in the article like Woody Allen, Richard Linklater and Kevin Smith, who influenced the mumblecore but would be ridiculous to retroactively make part of a movement that didn't even exist when they made their films. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is nothing "remarkable" about any of the characteristics described in the article that would distinguish these movies from indie or low-budget productions of previous eras. "Mumblecore" is a term that describes nothing.136.49.32.166 (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Sang-soo 

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message: I think the two lists should be mutually exclusive. It's established that mumblegore is mumblecore with horror themes, so if a film is mumblegore, it's automatically also mumblecore. Therefore, either the mumblecore list gets ALL the films, and then the mumblegore list only the horror-themed ones, or (better) we put on the mumblecore list only the films that are NOT mumblegore. The way it is now, some mumblegore films appear in both lists (e.g. Pop Skull, Baghead, The House of the Devil), others appear only in their own list. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 09:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mumblecore/Mumblegore