Talk:Vistula

message: Weichsel must be inserted, if we want this article to have historical relevance. The river was known as such since the Middle Ages in the western European Germanic world, and therefore must be called thus too. Remember the many fortresses of the Teutonic Order. Smith2006 10:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand the "must". Remember you do not own the article (see WP:OWN). Read at least the discussion on the Talk page. The problem was mulled on since 2004 and the consensus was the German name is not relevant. This is the English version of Wikipedia, after all and no part of Vistula is in a German speaking country (this isn't an article on history but geography). Please, accept the consensus and do not start this thing anew. By the way, you should have started a new section of the Talk page - this thing has nothing to do with Navigation Channel Depth. Friendly Neighbour 10:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a notification on the internationally used German name Weichsel under the history theme. The Weichsel was a very Germanized river before 1945, and thus must be remembered as such, even if Polish imperialists and nationalists don't like that.Smith2006 16:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ugh? English name is Vistula. In French it also has its own name, so should we add intenrationally used French name (which is, BTW IIRC Vistula). How in the earth the RIVER can be GERMANIZED? Szopen 07:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Absurd? Weichsel was a border of East Prussia for centuries! Read some history! Schwartz und Weiss 22:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: German name of Vistula

message: How about OE Wīsle, attested in The Voyage of Wulfstan to Estland? Wīsle 'the Vistula River', Wīslemūða (m) 'the mouth of the Vistula River'. Cf. Dutch Wijssel, Wijsel. Ryba g (talk) 10:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old English ''Wīsle'' 

message: I can't find the alleged spelling of the river's name in Pliny the Elder. It has "flumen Vistlam" ("Vistam" MSS.) at 4.81, "ad Vistlam ... fluvium" (MSS. again have "Vistam") at 4.97, and "Visculus sive Vistla" at 4.100. I can't find any reference to the Vistula river (in fact, any word starting with "vis-") in the book III of the Natural History. The edition of Pomponius Mela I have has the form "Vistula", with "t". 
As for the "-ula", I think that calling the ending "Germanic" may be irrelevant here. Since we know the name from Latin sources, the form may well have been Latinized by converting the original ending "-tla" (as most of the Pliny MSS. readings seem to point to "Vistla" rather than "Vistula"), to the more "friendly" (to Roman ear) form on "-ula", which is the standard diminutive ending in Latin.
Spellings of the name like "Istula" probably only mean that an author had trouble rendering the initial semivowel in Greek script (Ptolemy writes it as a vowel "ou"). The same problem may be behind the Ammianus Marcellinus "Bisula". This form additionally points to an assimilation of the "st" to "ss", which was later simplified to "s". This explains the occasional drop of the "t" in MSS. readings.
It may be noteworthy in this context, that Ausonius had a female slave of Transrhenan origin, whose name was "Bissula". May be pure coincidence, but ... :) 193.0.78.5 06:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germanic diminutive on -ula 

message: I came to the page specifically looking for the map of the basin.  Could I suggest it is positioned at the top of the page, possibly above the excellent photo. JRPG (talk) 11:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Map Position

message: Rudolf Hoess wrote that: " The ashes of the burnt bodies were ground into dust, which was poured into the Vistula in remote places and swept away with the current. " , regarding the operation of the Auschwitz concentration camp. I can't decide if that's morbid trivia or an important fact about the river. trespassers william (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auschwitz 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Can we rename this article to Wisła? -- Marek.69 talk 06:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename?

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message: There is nothing strange regarding asymmetry of river Vistula. This asymmetry is seen not only on the river basin, but also on the height of river banks, being the right bank much higher, as the river Dnieper shows (see Encyclopaedia Britannica, free edition). This is a characteristic of being in the Northern Hemisphere where river waters during floods tend to predominate their way toward the left bank (flooding the left part of the river basin). On the contrary, on the southern hemisphere, flooding hits right banks much harder. All rivers North of equator tend to deviate towards the left bank, being the only exceptions to this rule due to topography. The reason for this is the rotation movement of the Earth, as it is seen in the Foucault Pendulum: displacement of the Foucault pendulum is toward the left in the northern hemisphere not because the pendulum deviate toward the left (by definition, pendulum keeps the same direction from the beginning), but because the round circle on the floor gives two turns every day: one around the center of the circle and another around the Earth's axis, along the parallel of latitude where the pendulum is held. And the height of the pendulum causes a small deviation around the center of the floor circle. It is easy to see that the pendulum's pointer will give a very small circle around the center: in theory, this pointer never pass exactly above this center. In other words, let's imagine we are looking the pendulum's movement starting from south to north. The point holding the pendulum on the ceiling of the building is moving from left to right at a speed slightly faster than the floor, therefore, going the pendulum towards the north will pass the center slightly to the left (west). But if we see the same oscillation back from north to south, the movement of the point where pendulum holds will be from right to left and, therefore, will deviate a little also to the left, without passing above the center on its way back to the south. The same happens with river waters and ocean currents. In a river, waters move along the river inside the river bed. But when water overflows, the excess waters above banks tend to deviate toward left banks, except when topography marks a difference. --Fev 22:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asymmetry of river Vistula 

message: In the subsection "Historical Relevance" the article states
Large parts of the Vistula Basin were occupied by the Iron Age Lusatian and Przeworsk cultures in the first millennium BC. Genetic analysis indicates that there has been an unbroken genetic continuity[clarification needed] of the inhabitants over the last 3,500 years.[18]
The source cited is  Jędrzej Giertych. "Tysiąc lat historii narodu polskiego" (in Polish).
A link is given, but the link  www.chipublib.org. Retrieved 3 April 2009.
is to a search page, not the article itself.
A more recent paper is Juras et al, 2014. Ancient DNA Reveals Matrilineal Continuity in Present-Day Poland over the Last Two Millennia
PLoS One. 2014; 9(10): e110839.
Published online 2014 Oct 22. doi:  10.1371/journal.pone.0110839
A link to this article is 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4206425/
Since this is the English language wiki the Juras et al 2014 article is probably a better source to cite.
In anycase, the article concludes that their results
indicate genetic continuity of mitochondrial lineages between ancient and modern populations in the territory of contemporary Poland.
By "ancient" they are referring to iron-age populations.
The Juras article uses the same phrase "genetic continuity" as was given in the Wikipedia article.  
I'm not sure this needs clarification as the interline comment suggests, but what that's saying is that the mitochondrial DNA of the iron age population is the same (or very similar to) that of much of the modern population of Poland.  In other words, at least in terms of the female line of inheritance, the people of Poland today are descended from the Iron age population of the Vistula. 
The Iron age skeletal remains from which Juras et al 2014 provided mtDNA results, is located at least in part in the Vital River Valley. Hence their results are useful to make the point that the Iron age population of Vistula River valley does indeed show genetic continuity with the modern population of Poland.
Of course its not EXACTLY the same, as some changes have occurred after 3500 or so years.  However, the article also gives a comparison between the populations of modern Poland and adjacent countries, and notes that the modern population of Poland more closely resembles the Iron age population, than do the modern populations of the other adjacent countries.  
They are saying that the people of Poland today are by and large, the same as the people occupying the Vistula during the Iron age...or at least that's what their data show.  
TwelveGreat (talk) 13:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics 

message: According to the Encyclopedia Britannica (1993 edition, vol 12 page 399), Leniwka is simply the old name of the M.W., not a separated stream.
If EB is true, the entries of these two streams must be merged.
pietro151.29.25.24 (talk) 11:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leniwka and Martwa Wisla 

message: 173.56.208.90 (talk) 12:51, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lake Morskie Oko, White Dunajec Springs is in fact Czarny staw Gasiennicowy with a view towards Granaty and Kozie Wierchy.