Talk:Roulette

message: Many Casino websites and other (popular science) sources claim that the mathematician Blaise Pascal invented the Roulette game. However this seems to be just an urban legend/common misinformation.
While it is true that Pascal is considered as one of the founders of probability theory and that he
had published 2 papers containing the word Roulette (small wheel): "Histoire de la roulette"  "Suite de l'histoire de la roulette". However those 2 papers do not deal with the roulette game but curves created by rotating wheels (cycloids). Pascal possibly constructed rotating device with a number wheel for studying random distributions, however he did not use it in the sense of the roulette 
game either.
http://www.planet-wissen.de/pw/Artikel,,,,,,,CAD525356519CE9FE030DB95FBC30D8E,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette_%28Gl%C3%BCcksspiel%29#Geschichte
Note that the German wikipedia entry calls it an urban legend and Pascal biographies (wikipedia,mactutor,various) do not mention him as the inventor of the roulette game either.
Maybe somebody having more detailed information of Pascal's rotating device and whether or how
it may have influenced the roulette game could comment as well and incorporate the correct
information into the article. For now i've simply removed the misleading sentence, that indicates
him as the inventor of the game.
--Kmhkmh 12:59,  17 June 2007 (UTC)
i too agree with above concept that there are misconcepptions in the invention/origin of roulette.The first theory that the Chinese invented the game and this game was brought to Europe by Chinese traders. The second theory that Blaise Pascal, a French mathematician, invented the game of roulette. Many support this theory since Pascal developed the concept of “probability,” and the word roulette is French for “small wheel.” Anoopnair2050 (talk) 10:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Game and Pascal 

message: There are 18 red pockets, 18 black pockets, and two green pockets on an American wheel. (One green on a European wheel, but let's stick to the American wheel for now). That means that the probability of winning a bet on red is 18/38, or 47.37%, rather different from the 42% given. Yes, you can use the binomial distribution to figure out what are the chances of 16 or more, or 20 or more wins, but on a 38 pocket wheel, the important number of wins is 19 or more, since that is the break even point (since "even money"  bets like red pay 2:1). Perhaps you could figure out the probability of 19 or more wins, with p=0.4737, and N=38.
It seems more sensible to think in terms of the expected value of a bet; in almost all roulette bets (on a double wheel), the expected return is 36/38 or 94.74%, giving the house a 5.26% edge on every bet. It's like a change machine, where you put in a $100 note and it gives you back 94 dollar coins, and 74c. Only it's intermittent, so 47.37% of the time it gives you 200 dollar coins, and the rest of the time (more than half), it gives you nothing. On average, you get $94.74 for every $100 you put in. --Mike Van Emmerik 09:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps an even better way to think about this is to move up a level and consider the casino to be a bank with a negative interest rate... mdf 02:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Regular banks as well have a negative interest rate, they charge a higher interest rate on loans than they provide for your savings. Every company has to make profit and the profit has to come from someone. At a regular bank the sources are the loans and mortages, at the casino the higher chance of winning. 82.92.243.35 23:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, perhaps I could have been clearer: you are focusing on how often you have a winning session (of say 38 spins). Many players feel that if they have more winning sessions than losing ones, then they are automatically ahead. But this is not true if you lose more in the losing sessions than you win in the winning sessions. So it's important to consider "how much" as well as "win or lose". That's what expected return does: it measures how much you are ahead, on average, for every play; if this is more than you bet, you will win in the end, regardless of the win/loss result for individual sessions. --Mike Van Emmerik 11:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betting only on red 

message: I removed a sentence:
Despite the claims in some books (for instance "Beat The House", by F* L*).
The author is unhappy that his book was cited inaccurately and made legal threats. Please do not insert any reference to this book. Thank you. David.Monniaux 15:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation from book 

message: In fact many European casinos (all the ones in Ireland that I know of, for a start) use roulette wheels with a single zero, but use dedicated roulette chips for wagering.
:I noticed someone modified the page that early american wheels have a 3rd "losing" # as an american eagle.  I can find multiple sources on google--some claim the eagle replaced the double-zero; some claim it was a 3rd.  Maybe both are right, but until one can be certain I had to revert it to the prior version because among other things I don't know if it's always a "losing" number, and it should also include information about the different layouts (i.e. only 31 numbers back then).
**** ref The American Eagle on early wheels.  DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING REVISIONS> YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ THE EARLY HOYLE BOOKS> LEAVE THE REFERENCE TO THE EAGLE ALONE _ IT WAS ON THE WHEELS AND CHANGED THE ODDS.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.133.144 (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  European vs American Roulette 

message: why are the numbers in different places on the wheel example the 32 is surounded by the 17 and 20 and on another wheel the 32 has the 0 and the 15 please tell me why if possiable?
I have a tentative theory about the construction of the French Roulette (Copyrighted), which was designeg or perfected by B. Pascal. I started my quest on the idea that if Pascal had been involved in this process, it must had been done on geometrical/mathematical reasonings. (Be noted : The ZERO (0) had not been in at this stage). It will be published in a book form, shortly, and posted in due course. However, if you send a Non-Disclosure Aggreement to tamaslevy@bigpond.com ; subject : frenchroulette, I FAX over the chapter to you free of charge. However, I shall state that knowledge (if true) of the construction of the layout of the numbers cannot help to devise a STRATEGY to beat the house advantage in the game.Tamaslevy 02:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the numbers were in sequence it would be a lot easier to watch the wheel and ball spin and guess that it would fall on a certain range of numbers. To do this with the current layout requires that you bet on individual numbers to make up a sequential portion of the wheel, which is very difficult.--155.144.251.120 21:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  roulette wheels 

message: In the 1942 film Casablanca, Rick's Café Americain has a trick roulette wheel. The croupier can cause it to land on 22 at will. Rick (Humphrey Bogart) urges a Bulgarian refugee with whose case he becomes sympathetic to put his last three chips on 22 and motions to the croupier to let him win. After the man's number dramatically comes up, Rick tells him to let it all ride on 22 and lets him win again. Although the details are not mentioned in the film (the croupier only notes that they are "a couple of thousand" down), it appears that Rick has given the man 3675 (3*35*35) francs.
If a player bets 3 chips on a single number and lets it ride, his payout would be 105 for the first hit + 3 chips original bet (that's what "let it ride" means). The player lets it ride (or in other words parleys his winnings) and his bet is 108, hits it again, his payout is 3780 plus 108 from his bet so the player walks away with total winnings of 3888 (3*36*36).
--Dice yo11 17:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way 3*35*35 is always wrong. If you bet 3 then you win 35:1 on your money, which means you have 35*3 plus your original 3 = 36*3. Now you bet 36*3 and win 35*36*3 plus you still have your original 36*3, a total of 36*36*3 money you are left with. The money won is 36*36*3 - 3. Walked away with $3888 or won $3885--Dacium 07:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Bets 

message: Jesus. The odds table is DEFINITELY wrong.
If the odds against winning when you bet straight up is 37:1, then when you split the odds against winning is 37:2, or 18.5:1, NOT 18:1. The 0 and 00 still work against you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.49.68.202 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But there's one other number that does not still work against you. —Tamfang (talk) 19:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bet Odds Table 

message: www.online-casinos.com/roulette/
I have recently done some roulette related programming and it interested me enough to set up a section on my site with some valuble and unique (I think) content that might make it eligible for an external link on the roulette page. It has a Roulette training game that allows players to test their roulette strategies, systems and chip spreads. The player can watch statistics on hit numbers, hot spots, auto-spin and more. Rather than being seen to spam the roulette page, I will leave it up to long term maintainers to determine if this site is appropriate to be added to the external links.
Thanks
Jan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.91.110.207 (talk) 09:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with that link which I have is that it encourages things "hot spots" which have no value what so ever in determinines the outcome of the next spin. The site promotes use of the gamblers fallacy.--155.144.251.120 22:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The website does not promote gambling systems at all - on the contrary. The tool offers an easy way to test roulette strategies AND will show people that no system can win in the long run. Showing people that a system does not work would be a really really bad way of promoting a system in my opinion. No systems are promoted in any way, the "Hot Spots" feature inside the training tool are in place for those who's system is based on betting on "sleeping numbers" or "Hot spots" and as such usefull for testing those kind of systems. No where is is suggested that "Hot Spots" should have any value at all in regards to determining the outcome of the next spin. However it is a fact that many roulette players place their bets on hot or sleeping numbers, many systems are beased on this. To be able to show these people that their system is worthless the tool needs the "Hot Spots" feature. Here is a quote for the websites main roulette page: "If betting systems were a way of getting rich, there would not be any casinos left". In my opinion my website offers a free and very use full tool for those interested in roulette. Furthermore the roulette section on my website offers visualized roulette instructions - in my opinion yet another usefull any unique thing for those interested in roulette. I am not going to start any arguments, just suggesting a external link for the roulete article. If the longterm gambling editors don't find my roulette section usefull I will respect that -  but I am defenitly not promoting gambling systems for sure :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.49.53.195 (talk) 21:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The site is just a spammy link drop and shouldn't be included in the article. Rray 22:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website suggestion 

message: I just saw the tail end of a show on Discovery (Canada) that talked about the successful "Savannah Strategy" in Roulette, but I didn't catch how it's done.  Anybody know?  The great google only led me to the guy (who was on the show) whose book contains the strategy.
: Savannah is not a strategy, it is our-right cheating and will get you jail time. What you do is you bet say 4 red chips with the top 3 slightly forward so the dealer can't really see the colour of the bottom chip. Then if the bet wins you extremely quickly change the bottom chip with a different coloured chip while the dealer is looking at the wheel or punching in the result on the computer displays etc. Obviously savannah 'strategy' is extremely difficult to pull off and very dangerous.--155.144.251.120 21:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Savannah Strategy?

message: The section on betting strategies and tactics talks much about people who were allegedly able to predict the outcome of roulette wheels using computer models. But this section is not referenced very well. For example, Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo is mentioned. I could not find much on this, but what I did find stated: "Working with a group of colleagues, Pelayo's trick was to write down the winning numbers of myriad roulette games, then have a computer digest them."
I find it very hard to believe that you could collect enough data that way to reveal tendencies of roulette wheels. It is much more likely, IMO, that this group of individuals and the casino both falsely believed that the number crunching strategy worked when in fact all that happened was a run of good luck.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ddgun (talk • contribs). 
Thorp and Shannon's contribution and effecity in predicting roulette wheels based on active measurement is well documented.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.150.186.168 (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Computers predicting spin outcome

message: The external link labelled "Encyclopaedia Britannica, Roulette - full-access article" is to a site which appears to be intermittently launching dodgy ads concerning detection of spyware. I suggest deleting it.
Jim 14159 11:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate External Link

message: There is a brief mention of some European casinos returning half your bet if you lose an even money bet. 
According to Wizard Of Odds and some other sites, there are casinos in Atlantic City that use this rule on 00 wheels (but not single 0 wheels). If its mentioned on Wizard Of Odds, chances are it's not just an isolated case; but I've never been to Atlantic City to attest to it. As the site states, if this rule is in effect in a 00 wheel, then the house edge for even bets is reduced to 2.63% (18/38 chance of winning, plus 2/38 chance of losing half your bet).
Also stated is a modification of this rule is the 'en prison' rule used in some European casinos (such as France) where you don't get back half your bet, but your bet is "imprisoned". If your bet wins on the next spin, then you get your original bet back (no winnings). This results in a slightly greater house edge (1.389% versus 1.352%).
Worth elaborating on in the article?
Prothonotar 06:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this needs to be elaborated upon.  En Prison and La Partage rules cut the casino edge by as much as 50% and are common enough in Europe to be noted. AddBlue (talk) 08:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Even Money Bets and the En Prison Rule

message: French Tarot and French Roulette can be corelated as follows:
  0-+
  1-1
  2-2
  3-3
  4-4
  5-5
  6-6
  7-7
  8-8
  9-9
 10-10
 11-V
 12-C
 13-D
 14-R
 15=1
 16=2
 17=3
 18=4
 19=5
 20=6
 21=7
 22=8
 23=9
 24=10
 25=11
 26=12
 27=13
 28=14
 29=15
 30=16
 31=17
 32=18
 33=19
 34=20
 35=21
 36=*
That permits to use French Roulette as random modifier while playing French Tarot. Zero can be used as special modifier. CBMIBM (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Tarot and French Roulette  

message: Isn't the odds on American Roulette 38 to 1?  Why does the the table say 37 to 1?
Rickyar (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 37 to 1 is correct. There are 37 ways to lose on a single number bet, and 1 way to win. Rray (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odds table  

message: 1. Non-commercial Roulette-Simulator
http://roulette-simulator.info
2. Roulette simulator: http://www.lonniebest.com/Roulette/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.129.154.55 (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested External Links

message: Question:   I added EO wheel picture. I own the picture copyright and took a photograph of it and uploaded it. Then I got a message saying they can't determine the copyright licence etc. I put that I own it -  when I uploaded the picture. Where do I ask or who do I inform of this again.?? Also, where do I add the copyright tag   ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronshelley (talk • contribs) 02:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That you "made" the image file (scanned it, etc.) does not mean that you "own" the copyright.  For one thing, the modern text caption is probably still under copyright by the author or publisher of the book you scanned this in from.  The two illustrations in the scan (the wheel and the gambling scene) fall have expired copyright, not GFDL.  However, the wheel illustration is very damaged and fragmentary.  And the caption is wrong anyway, because the gambling scene is almost certainly 18th century, not 17th century. Churchh (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Excerpted the most useful portions of that image which are out of copyright into :Image:EO_Wheel-caricature.jpg and replaced it in article. Churchh (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems with [[:Image:EO Wheel.jpg]]

message: In the title of that section, as well as the accomponying image, it is suggested that these are the same thing, but in the text of the actual article, it calls one set of numbers Orphelins, and another Orphans. Does anybody have an answer one way or another? And might that person be abletomake the appropriate edits?72.221.122.158 (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Orphelin" is just the French-language word meaning "orphan". Churchh (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphans vs, Orphelins 

message: All money may be lost on roulette, so better not to risk at all gaming for money. Here is example of true game on mini-roulette by progression with repeating simulated betting on zero, which ends with bankruptcy of entire country - whole American money supply is lost completely:
:29 1¢
:24 2¢
:20 4¢
:09 8¢
:23 16¢
:22 32¢
:16 64¢
:23 1$
:31 2$
:33 4$
:16 8$
:16 16$
:01 32$
:22 64$
:01 128$
:20 256$
:01 512$
:24 1024$
:18 2048$
:08 4096$
:14 8192$
:16 16384$
:14 32768$
:12 65536$
:20 131072$
:14 262144$
:16 524288$
:07 1048576$
:33 2097152$
:30 4194304$
:22 8388608$
:01 16777216$
:20 33554432$
:16 67108864$
:24 134217728$
:01 268435456$
:29 536870912$
:20 1073741824$
:12 2147483648$
:04 4294967296$
:20 8589934592$
:01 17179869184$
:05 34359738368$
:10 68719476736$
:22 137438953472$
:29 274877906944$
:01 549755813888$ < all dollars in circulation = 829 milliards of dollars
:01 1099511627776$ > all dollars in circulation = 829 milliards of dollars
In roulette you can play safely only for free without money.
83.22.142.96 (talk) 14:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At first glance, very scary, but there is no need to double one's stake every time when applying the (admittedly flawed) Martingale strategy to betting on a single roulette number. The necessity of doubling one's stake only arises when betting on outcomes where the payout is twice the stake, such as red/black, odd/even. Russ London (talk) 08:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Risk

message: Not sure about some of the assertions here. Firstly, no food or drink? I have seen casino's providing a separate table for drinks but at the same time drinking over the table is common (I'm sure that was normal practice at the MGM in Macau). Also, I've never seen someone tip a dealer, doesn't mean it isn't still good advice of course, but doesn't appear to be common. Tips always seem to go to the waiters. 
Shouldn't something be said about 'reaching in' i.e. playing without table chips, without a place at the table? Sometimes that seems acceptable, other times not. Caspar esq. (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience in American casinos including the one I'm employed at in the Table Games department, drinks have always been allowed on the table, usually in a cup holder inserted under the rail.  Food varies by casino but is generally not allowed.  The general rule for what is allowed on a table is: drinks, a napkin under a drink when a cup holder isn't available, an ashtray, a pack of cigarettes, and a lighter.  Cigarette packs and napkins are barred by a minority of casinos but the other items are almost universally allowed.  Dealer tokes are also very common in roulette in the US. AddBlue (talk) 08:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etiquette 

message: I suggest removing this section altogether:
# It is badly written (wrong terms, badly formatted, spelling)
# It doesn't provide any information not already contained in other sections
151.68.96.198 (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing the "mathematical model" section  

message: Page should mention records for most consecutive Reds at Monte Carlo, etc.
Jamesdowallen (talk) 09:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Record streaks

message: Despite the best efforts of various editors to date, as a reader I find this article confusing mainly because it attempts to coherently explain the unique (although similar) games of French Roulette, European Roulette and American Roulette all in one place under the vague title "Roulette" which, to be accurate, is a non-existent game.  However, I am not advocating a strong position that this unified article should be deleted.--DavidWatersHC  —Preceding undated comment added 14:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2-3 Seperate Articles Needed 

message: For those of us who know of roulette primarily from movies — When the croupier announces for example Rouge, pair et passe, what does the last word mean?  (The first two words are red, even.) —Tamfang (talk) 19:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  manque, passe 

message: I have a question:
If anyone known a really winning strategy - or at least a method which can be manipulated over the Casino's advantage by 0.01% - how would s/he comunicate his invention through the maze of irrelevant information available here?121.209.230.136 (talk) 11:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a general discussion forum. It is solely for the purpose of improving the Roulette article.Objective3000 (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wining by playing Roulette 

message: At first sight, I found out the number 8 in the roulette wheel shows as red, and in the table shows as black. There must be some error there. Didn't check all the numbers, but maybe there are others with error.
This error seems to be corrected, yet I believe the numbers 19 and 28 are correct on the wheel, but errorneous on the table.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.6.76 (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in American Roulette Graphic 

message: Wikipedia also has an entry for Roulette_(curve).  Spelling is identical.
Currently the curve entry is most conveniently accessed via "hypotrochoid" (which I reached via "spirograph").  A hypotrochoid is a specific type of roulette. (Dorcsssc (talk) 20:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. There has been a disambiguation page but it wasn't being linked to. Thincat (talk) 22:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs a disambiguation preamble 

message: Excuse me please, but what has "Roulette" to do with medicinical problems !???
I don t understand, please tell me, maybe under: caroballo@versanet.de
thanks a lot before
otherwise I don t understand
Carola Ballo, 22.07.2013  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.34.159 (talk) 12:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charité, Humboldt-University, en Berlin... 

message: When a winning number and color is determined by the roulette wheel, the dealer will place
 a marker, also known as a dolly, on that winning number on the roulette table layout. When the
 dolly is on the table, no players may place bets, collect bets, or remove any bets from the
 table. The dealer will then sweep away all other losing bets either by hand or rake, and
 determine all of the payouts to the remaining inside and outside winning bets. When the
 dealer is finished making payouts, the marker is removed from the board where players
 collect their winnings and make new bets.
According to the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> ¶ and my recollection the word is "croupier" rather than "dealer."  <B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Croupier is an old term, still used in many places. Dealer is the common term denoting all casino employees directly running games in all jurisdictions. Objective3000 (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible terminology error 

message: The second paragraph contains a blatant error that is highly misleading. It states that players can not bet on 0 or 00 because these pockets belong to the house, but this is absolutely untrue. I can only conclude this part of the article (the most important part, because it's the intro) was written by somebody who has never played.
Of course you can bet on 0 and 00, which is why those boxes are included on the table where you can place your betting chips. If it was impossible to place a bet on those numbers, it would be a waste of space to include them on the table.
I went a little further into the article and the problem is fixed there in the table, so this article contradicts itself, stating (or implying) in the second paragraph that players can't bet on 0 and 00 and then later showing in the table that they can.
It's just bad editing and in this case a mistake like that could actually cost a person money because they might think they can't bet on certain numbers that they actually can bet on. 
The whole "0 and 00 belong to the house" thing seems to have been some kind of conspiracy cooked up by the casino owners to make gullible bettors think there is more probability of 0 and 00 coming out, and thus waste their money chasing these more difficult numbers (more difficult because there are fewer bet types that pay out on them) based on an erroneous belief that the house is trying to score a 0 or 00 result (sometimes this may be the case when there is heavy investment on even money chances, etc, but it's not usually the case).
Also on the debate about spin predictability, it does seem to work, and this is why casinos change croupiers on this game so often. It's to make it more difficult to determine a spin profile. A news article about employee fraud in Crown Casino a few years ago inadvertently contained an admission that croupiers do spin to achieve certain numbers (for the purpose of favoring the house) and can achieve reasonable success in doing so. The article alleged that the croupier had teamed up with an outsider and was spinning to the benefit of the player instead of to the benefit of the house. How exactly that's more fraudulent that cheating the players isn't entirely clear, but that's the closest thing ever to a public acknowledgement / admission that the spin can be manipulated, even though at the time they probably did not realize that this is what it would amount to or did not know it would be published in the newspaper. Unfortunately I only remember reading it, but not when or where, so that can't be substantiated. But if you ever wondered, then yes... apparently.
หมีขั้วโลก (talk) 07:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This was a recent addition and reverted. Thanks. O3000 (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading information 

message: In "Masquerade (TV series) episode "Winnings" the team uses a computer to defeat a rigged roulette wheel. 71.80.203.159 (talk) 06:26, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masquerade (TV series) 

message: I have a citation that could be used. I have never edited an article before, so I'm hesitant to do so. In the introduction, Triple Zero (Sands Roulette)[citation needed]. Here's a source:
https://www.onlineunitedstatescasinos.com/blog/venetian-rolls-triple-zero-roulette-4541/
Additional info:
It is called Sands Roulette because it was introduced at the Venetian casino, which is owned by the Las Vegas Sands Corp. The wheel and layout uses an 'S' stylized like the Sands logo, rather than 000.
The article in the citation source I provided, includes a link to the Wizard of Odds discussion forum, where immediately, it is referred to as Triple Zero or 000 rather than Sands Roulette. 
The article (or certain posts) can be used as a citation for my additional comments.
Also note that Las Vegas Sands no longer owns the Venetian casino. I believe that they are still calling it 'Sands Roulette' but I have no published verification.
Dave Miller Gaming (talk) 13:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be helpful to review the notability guidelines here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Rray (talk) 14:06, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 

message: I added to the History section of the article a brief mention of the English roulette precursor 'EO'. Images of EO being played, and of an EO table, were already included amongst the various images to the right of the section, but there was no mention of EO in the actual text of the article here. There is a detailed description of the game of EO in a 1793 volume of 'The Sporting Magazine', now added as a link in the reference section, which is hopefully useful as a historical source. (N.B. The article commences at the foot of the page that I have linked) Axad12 (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to English roulette precursor 'EO' 

message: The section on Prediction Methods alludes to an incident involving a person known as Niko Tosa (who is not mentioned by name on this page).  It is stated as fact that Tosa and colleagues used a laser system to beat roulette; this appears to be speculative, and probably false.  An article was recently published (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-how-to-beat-roulette-gambler-figures-it-out/?leadSource=uverify%20wall) that goes into depth on this event.  It was never known at the time how Tosa beat roulette at the Ritz, and by the end of the article the author indicates that he believed Tosa was in fact not using any specialized hardware.  The author cites an expert on the subject who indicates that it is likely possible for someone to acquire the skill of predicting biased roulette wheels.  The page should be amended to indicate, at the very least, that it is not known how Tosa won, or better yet to discuss the reasonable explanations. --68.65.175.19 (talk) 09:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niko Tosa