Talk:Star-crossed

message: I've removed the uncited portions of the list - if a reference can be found describing the couple as "star-crossed" can be found, then they can be readded. --Malkinann (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the current list from list form to paragraph form, seeing as having that information in list form in that way is discouraged and this (my changing it) reduces the chances of people adding unsourced couples. Flyer22 (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of star-crossed lovers

message: is "star crossed" really important enough to warrant an article????
The answer is yes. The term is extremely notable, of course, and a much bigger article could be made of this on Wikipedia than what it is now. Whether this article will be expanded soon to more than what it is now is uncertain, however. Flyer22 00:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important enough 

message: I haven't read all of the novels, but from what I can assume from the novel by Stephanie Meyer, Isabella and Edward are NOT starcrossed lovers. I was under the impression that starcrossed means they will never get together, either separated by circumstance or death or some other tragedy. In Twilight, it is quite obvious that Isabella and Edward DO get together and though they face hardships in the books to come, they are not driven apart by anything that would make the starcrossed lovers. Their relationship, though rocky, is successful and there has yet to be a novel to confirm that they will not be together.
So. Yeah. I didn't want to modify it myself, but I thought I'd bring it to light.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.208.81.199 (talk) 11:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Star-crossed doesn't have to mean a tragic or forever doomed romance, of course. Sometimes star-crossed just means temporarily doomed, LOL. Because, really, a lot of instances exist where even star-crossed lovers eventually get together. Now however long that "get together" lasts is another topic. If Isabella and Edward kept having significant obstacles thrown in their way to being together and if it kept looking as though they would never get together, they can be classified as star-crossed. Flyer22 (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content question - Twilight - Edward and Isabella. 

message: In F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby, are Jay Gatsby and Daisy "star crossed" lovers? If so, I'll add them to the list. MarianKroy (talk) 13:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A better answer to the question would be: they are star-crossed lovers if a reliable source describes them as such. If not, the answer is purely the opinion of the editor. Please see Wikipedia:No original research for more on this.  SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 18:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Gatsby "star-crossed"?

message: I have noticed that the text-based visual novel games section has been removed when they contain some of the most notable examples. I suggest that we include the couples Fuminori Sakisaka and Saya from Saya no Uta (this is an extremely tragic example), as well as the couples from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni (Jessica and Kanon, George and Shannon).   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.63 (talk) 13:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed by an editor because it was uncited. The couples should be attributed as star-crossed to reliable sources, per WP:Reliable sources. Flyer22 (talk) 10:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

text: So should I link it to the game's official site?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.57 (talk) 05:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the late reply. I just now saw your follow-up comment. If the official site calls them star-crossed, you can include the link here and I'll properly format it as a reference with the inclusion of the couple in this article. Flyer22 (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Same. Need reliable sources calling them star-crossed to include them. Flyer22 (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Some more popular modern examples

message: where it talks about modern novels and books i think that the hunger games should be included because of its great popularity and because it uses the allusion everywhere. just my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.174.17 (talk) 01:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not familiar with what "Hunger" games you are referring to. But as long as the games have star-crossed couple examples, and this can be backed up by WP:Reliable sources, then they can be added. Flyer22 (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

text: TheJaff, regarding  this edit you made, one of those sources is not an online one, and the other two are WP:Dead links (which can likely be fixed via Internet Archive); one of the sources calls Cloud and Aerith a star-crossed couple, and all three listed Cloud and Aerith as a couple. It does not matter that "Square Enix has never officially described Cloud and Aerith as a couple"; all that we need to do is go by what the WP:Reliable sources state, and there was undoubtedly a love triangle between Tifa, Cloud and Aerith. That stated, I am not too bothered by your aforementioned edit. Years ago, I would have been; if you look at the dates of the posts above, you can see that this thread is years old. Flyer22 (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Looking at your edit history, including this edit, I also see that the love triangle is apparently a sour note for you. Flyer22 (talk) 05:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Oh, and the text stating "Cloud Strife and Aerith Gainsborough from Final Fantasy VII have been called video games' greatest, as well as its most tragic, star-crossed love story.", as it did, does not mean that it is stating that the two were a couple. It's the other text about them that used the word couple. Flyer22 (talk) 05:59, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that there was a love triangle isn't really important. It just means both Aerith and Tifa liked him. While we have from Cloud's profile in the FFVII 10th Anv. Ult. that he was unaware of either girls feelings for him while Aerith was alive. But I digress. What we have here are dead links. I'm sure new ones could be found. But new ones that run contradictory of those could also be found. And there could be much back and fourth. So instead of opening that can of worms I just went with SE. Which is that Cloud and Aerith are not a tragic love story. At least not from Cloud's perspective.TheJaff (talk) 06:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: TheJaff, again, we are supposed to go by what the WP:Reliable sources state; many WP:Reliable sources state that Cloud and Aerith are a tragic, star-crossed love story, and that many gamers were saddened by and/or cried at her death partly or mainly because of that. This is also covered in the Reception section of the Aerith Gainsborough article. That article also includes an archived version of one of the sources you removed from the Star-crossed article. You should not, for example, go and remove any of that material because you do not like it; most (maybe all) of that material should remain per all of it being well-documented WP:Reliably sourced aspects regarding that character's reception. And as for dead links, the WP:Dead link page is clear that dead links generally should not be removed solely because they are dead links; it explains why. Anyway, going back to the Star-crossed article: Per what the lead of WP:Verifiability states about presenting all sides if there is more than one side, we could also add that some fans didn't consider Cloud and Aerith's interaction a tragic love story. But I don't much care these days about including or excluding this material in/from the Star-crossed article. Flyer22 (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

text: TheJaff, regarding this and the back and forth editing between the IPs, I take it that you are one of the IPs? Either way, see what I stated in my "06:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

text: One of the sources you included even states, "Many would cite Cloud and Aeris as the tragic romance of Final Fantasy VII, but the really sad story comes from the prequel, Crisis Core." And just a note: "Tragic" does not mean "star-crossed." So do review the WP:Original research policy, especially the WP:Synthesis part of it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, none of the sources that the Cloud/Aerith fans put in mention star-crossed anywhere. I see some gushing about how they are the "greatest couple ever" (as if that was relevant) But not so much star-crossed. Heck half of them don't seem to lead anywhere at all. So I guess they got to go.  TheJaff (talk) 07:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

text: I am well aware of rules lawyering that goes on on Wikiepedia. And how if you can pull enough sources out of the ether even demonstrably false things can't be removed. But in this case those were the links I had handy. Maybe it was foolish of me not to have on hand the citations from the Ultimania and Dengeki profiles about fated encounters and being torn apart by fate yadda yadda. But I figured those could be added later. TheJaff (talk) 00:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: TheJaff, my point is that, like I stated above, we shouldn't be removing things on an "I don't like it" basis, and that "many WP:Reliable sources state that Cloud and Aerith are a tragic, star-crossed love story." This is why you cannot validly reject Cloud and Aerith being noted as a star-crossed couple in the article. There is no reason that both couples can't be included...as long as there are reliable sources calling the couple you added "star-crossed." The type of bias you are displaying on this topic is not supposed to have a place at Wikipedia. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm talking about the IPs WP:Edit warring with each other. One IP will re-add Cloud and Aerith, and then another will remove them. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

text: It indeed plagiarized Wikipedia; that wording (most of the "Today" paragraph) was in this article first. And it's very common for published books to plagiarize Wikipedia; Google it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Removed the mass of dead an unnecessary links (none of which said anything about star-crossed) and replaced them with a well known video game couple that is stated as star-crossed in the reference link.TheJaff (talk) 07:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: .TheJaff, I don't have anything more to state to you about this. Above, I've already told you the way Wikipedia works...with wikilinks to boot. In the case of this article, you are clearly only interested in keeping Cloud and Aerith from being categorized as star-crossed, no matter what the sources state (I've already been clear above about dead links, what the sources state, etc.). If I continue to see this slow-burn WP:Edit war, I am likely to report it. Slow-burn edits wars also are not tolerated. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Please stop pretending. You two have been edit warring for months now, whether you are logged in or not, and a stop will eventually be put to it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern examples 

message: Usually tragic, indeed. Are there any examples where the star-crossed couple come to some resolution where they're both happy? The only one I can think of that comes close is "Roman Holiday", and you can see that as being cut off at the climax of a five act, with the rest of the story hanging. htom (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, I know what you mean. There are some examples in television of star-crossed couples who had a happy ending to their love story. One of those couples is Lucas Scott and Peyton Sawyer, and they are mentioned in the article. I'm not sure about any couples in classic literature who are star-crossed yet have a happy ending to their love story. Flyer22 (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And if you count Jake and Neytiri from Avatar as star-crossed, and who are also mentioned in the article, they have a relatively happy ending thus far (hope I'm not spoiling that for anyone who hasn't seen the film). Flyer22 (talk) 20:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I expressed my question poorly. Alice and Bob are star-crossed lovers; they eventually find romantic happiness as two couples, Alice & Alan and Bob & Betty, and then, finally, gain addition happiness as platonic friends Alice and Bob. htom (talk) 20:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to ask who are Alice and Bob (what work are they from), but then I located the Alice and Bob article, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So, clearly, I found your original wording to be clearer/fine. Flyer22 (talk) 21:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: But you've clarified that you mean "happy without ending up together romantically." And I can't think of any instance off the top of my head at the moment. Flyer22 (talk) 21:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Usually tragic" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Perhaps the real-life couple Elvira Madigan and Sixten Sparre, and the treatments of their tragic affair in three movies, deserve a mention - the classical stories poosibly influenced their actions and certainly their legend.--Nø (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elvira Madigan 

message: The tune "Star Crossed Lovers" by Bily Strayhorn / Duke Ellington should be quoted as an example of compositions with this title. It is a part of the 12-parts Suite "Such Sweet Thunder" (1957) played beautifully by the great Johnny Hodges. The Suite was inspired by the works of W. Shakespeare. Simoneschiaffino (talk) 12:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Music 

message: Star-Crossed is the term used to title Kacey Musgraves’ fifth studio album depicting the divorce of her short lived marriage with her ex-husband released September of 2021. A film titled “Star-Crossed: The Film” was released as a visual/musical production of the album and has had great success. 2600:1700:14D0:8110:8DFC:A78C:FC4A:6C98 (talk) 07:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kacey Musgraves