Talk:David Helvarg

message: On 1 Apr 2005, this article was nominated for deletion.  The result was keep.  See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/David Helvarg for a record of the discussion. —Korath (Talk) 11:33, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
:Agreed this guy is notable enough to keep, but do we really need to list every freakin' article he ever published? -- Dcfleck 15:30, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)
::I've taken a look at this page at the personal request of Theo, and have some suggestions, below, relevant to Dcfleck's concern. I've now edited the article rather boldly, please take a look and see what you think! I haven't changed the lists as such. Pasting here what I wrote on Theo's talk page:
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Pasted-in comments from Theo's talk page, by Bishonen.
Nice article! The order in which things are told isn't easy for the reader to follow or predict, though. I believe that a very short summary, with the salient points only (e. g., nevermind whose guest he went to Antarctica as), should be followed by a chronological account, so that you avoid leaving him in the middle, at the point where he finishes college. I have so edited, just put it back as it was if you don't like it! Also, before you start laughing derisively, please bear in mind that I did it rather hastily—probably, to fit the new structure better, I should have changed more sentences around as well, and my headings are downright silly... oh, well, it's a start, and something for you to think about.
I'm reluctant to suggest removing info, but the lists are very long, and a lot of ephemeral-looking writings are included in them (the complete (?) list of newpaper articles right back to 1973 frankly looks like Ashlee Simpson country to me). Maybe these full lists would be useful to someone, so don't be in a hurry to shorten them, but you could go to other articles on people in the same category to compare...hang on..why is the cat "United States journalists" redlinked when you need it...? OK, got it: the true cat is "American journalists". Now then: 206 articles on American journalists...hmm. You have a better chance of knowing who more of these people are than me, you do it. Look at some of them that would be similar to your guy in importance and amount of output, and get a sense of what looks reasonable in the way of listing his stuff. 
Definitely not all the awards! Select the important ones for a few sentences of prose, lose the list. 
The reverse chronological order in the lists looks more like a newspaper article or indeed a website (which I suppose is where the material comes from) than an encyclopedia article, I'd turn that round if I were you.
A detail: not enough info on Feeling the Heat, compare the surely more minor pieces under the heading "Articles". Moreover, H's contributions to Feeling the Heat are articles. If you can find out what exactly his contributions to it were, I suggest you list those separately in the article section instead, with some of those full a-chapter-in-an-anthology type references. (Or just give me the relevant chapter titles and I'll do it.)
There are some excess wikilinks IMO—reading this would not be the moment I'd feel curious to read (our no doubt huge) articles on United States, New York City, or Nazi Germany! Associated Press or El Salvador OTOH, OK, that could make sense.
I have edited to reflect some of these concerns, and removed some magazine-type over-cute or admiring bits (young David should not get to splash around on Long Island! curse the little tyke!), but have left most of the above points intact for you to consider. --Bishonen|Talk 15:57, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vfd

message: Thanks to Bishonen for all that help.  I have refactored the Awards list into text.  The list of articles still defeats me: it is hard to tell which are notable. I guess that I will comment out some chunks brutally.  None of the lists came from web-sites; I asked Helvarg for the information (the upside of years of journalism is learning to seek primary sources and then verify what they say; the downside is phrases like "splashing around Long Island").  The reverse chronological order for television productions and journalism is a convention used elsewhere on Wikipedia for theatrical and other media biographies.
So, things left to do are:
#Comment out excess articles.
#Research Feeling the Heat.
:--Theo  (Talk) 21:55, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: Is "puts the case" similar to "makes the case"? If so, I think "a case" would be more neutral and less definitive. Maurreen 04:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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