Talk:Community-supported agriculture

message: A citation is needed from a reliable source to back up the unverified claim that CSA is a socio-economic model. It seems more like an economic model.  Toddst1 (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Given no objection or discussion in 1 month, the dubious statement has been removed. Toddst1 (talk) 14:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious socio-economic model 

message: The uncited claim "Community-supported agriculture began in the early 1960s in Germany, Switzerland and Japan." contradicts the citation labeled only as Robyn Van En which states "The origin of the Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) concept, the partnership between consumers and farmers, can be traced to Japan in the mid-1960s." Toddst1 (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious European origin 

message: The following paragraph has been removed multiple times from this article, without discussion:
Community-supported agriculture began in the early 1960s in Germany, Switzerland and Japan as a response to concerns about food safety and the urbanization of agricultural land. In the 1960s groups of consumers and farmers in Europe formed cooperative partnerships to fund farming and pay the full costs of ecologically sound and socially equitable agriculture. In Europe, many of the CSA style farms were inspired by the economic ideas of Rudolf Steiner and experiments with community agriculture took place on farms using biodynamic agriculture. In 1965 mothers in Japan who were concerned about the rise of imported food, the loss of arable land, and the migration of farmers into citiesEating for Your Community: A report from the founder of community supported agriculture. Robyn Van En. Context Institute. started the first CSA projects called Teikei (提携) in Japanese – most likely unrelated to the developments in Europe.
Please discuss... Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of CSAs (unexplained removal of content) 

message: Certain marked statements in the Structure section have no citation while making very strong claims (e.g. "The cost of a share is usually competitively priced when compared to the same amount of vegetables conventionally grown – partly because the cost of distribution is lowered." / "Typically CSA farms are small, independent, labor-intensive family farm" / "Most CSAs are owned by the farmers while some offer shares in the farm as well as the harvest").  While these may be covered ibid., that should likewise be referenced.  The fact that this section looks like it's original research means that this could bear putting an Original Research tag on the page. Thanks for your discussion on this matter.Geoff (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  General lack of citations in Structure section

message: There was a massive section of apparent WP:OR tagged . in the Structure section.  In accordance with our policy on WP:V, I removed it. There is an affirmative WP:BURDEN, which is policy, on any editor adding or restoring material to wikipedia.  Continued restoration of this material without providing reliable sources will be considered disruptive.  Toddst1 (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed, [[WP:V]] is not optional 

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message: I think the article started off strong with the definition and summary of the idea, but the rest of the article seemed to only rephrase these basic concepts, rather than adding to them. The section, CSA System, was completely repeated from earlier in the article and offered no new information, I think it could be removed. In the History section, there is quite a few random facts that do not pertain to the article they were placed in and seemed like they may have been added later by another contributor. The History section was also very brief and vague, giving only a basic overview and a few facts. I think new information could be added in terms of CSAs today with more recent research studies referenced. There could also be a section added about the idea of connecting community to agriculture and the societal benefits of this system. The idea that CSAs are good is mentioned but not covered in depth or backed up by any real research.
  
     There was an unfortunate lack of citations and sources, so it was difficult for a reader to see if the information presented in the article was correct or where it came from. Many definitions seemed to be made up by an author rather than based in fact or research. The sources that are referenced in the article are credible, strong sources, mainly research studies, there simply isn't enough of these sources to carry the article through.  I think a solution, as I stated earlier, would be adding more current information and studies, this would increase the currency, accuracy, and reliability of the article as a whole. The latest research studies referenced were four years ago in 2013 and there has been an abundance of new studies and movements since then. The reference links do work correctly, when they were added into the article, although there are several paragraphs without any, leaving the reader not knowing the source of the information.
Ajensen3 (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation 

message: Hello,
I think this is a great start to the Community-supported agriculture article! There is a lot of really great information in here. However, I believe there is a better way to structure it for those who are not familiar with many of the terms involved. I believe it would be helpful to start the article out by explaining what a CSA does, then dive into what it is exactly. Possibly, "CSA is a system that connects the producer and consumers within the food system more closely by allowing the consumer to subscribe to a the harvest of a certain farm (or group of farms)." 
Additionally, the article could benefit from more information about the economic ideology behind the model. (See 'Political Economy and CSA' section in the article, "The Moral Economy is a Double-edged Sword" by Ryan E. Galt). 
Thank you for reading. I look forward to hearing back from those interested in the topic! Amwong95 (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation  

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message: "Vegetable box scheme" is just a UK variant of the term "Community-supported agriculture" (CSA) and the article name should be redirected there. Platonk (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Concepts seem to be quite different. While CSA is for quite tight and direct relationship between producers and customers, "Vegetable box scheme" seems to be not: "Other schemes offer a nationwide delivery, […] negating the local food affiliation of these schemes. Some British supermarkets have also begun offering vegetable boxes" --217.149.165.106 (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection, no support and stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 15:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Vegetable box scheme]] into [[Community-supported agriculture]]