Talk:Hypermobility (joints)

message: In 2016 the diagnostic criteria for EDS Type 3 were re-written to be more restrictive, with the intent of narrowing the pool of EDS Type 3 patients in the hope of making it easier to identify a common genetic mutation, EDS Type 3 being the only EDS variant without a diagnostic DNA test. At the same type Hypermobility Syndrome (sometimes still called Joint Hypermobility Syndrome - dropped because collagen disorders cause effects throughout the body, not just joints, or Benign Joint Hypermobility Syndrome - dropped because it is not benign) was redefined as a hypermobility disorder that does not meet the diagnostic criteria for EDS Type 3 (or Marfans, OI and other collagen disorders) and renamed as Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder (HSD). The article needs a large scale re-write to reflect this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.66.40 (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revised EDS/HSD Diagnostic Criteria, Major Re-write Required 

message: In "Diagnosis" the passage states "formally agreed that there was little distinction between Hypermobility Syndrome and Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and that they are in fact the same disorder."
- Should this have "Type 3" after EDS ?.  There is considerable difference between the 4 types of EDS, am I right in thinking that EDS type 3 is considered to be a different name to HMS?
Ian Murray 20/06/11.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While this undoubtedly meant EDS III, it's now out of date as EDS III has been redefined to not overlap with the new Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.66.40 (talk) 18:01, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: ERROR ? 

message: I can't actually find any information about whether it is the same thing or not.
Any ideas?
92.22.99.220 (talk) 06:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, if I am correct, hypermobile EDS (hEDS) is EDS type 3. In the 2017 classification of Ehlers-Danlos syndromes by Ehlers-Danlos society states that old terms, such as, EDS hypermobility type, or EDS type 3, have been omitted. Instead it would be, hEDS or hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. I'll attach the link here. It also has information about the conditions, and I hope that this helps. Thank you so much! Poeticfeelings (talk) 08:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I agree. hEDS or other EDS types (such as Classical EDS; cEDS) feature joint hypermobility, but they are not the only syndromes which causes hypermobility. To consider that children have more flexibility, new EDS criteria for hEDS states that 6 or more points on the Beighton scale (out of 9 points) <https://ehlers-danlos.com/wp-content/uploads/hEDS-Dx-Criteria-checklist-1.pdf> are needed to be made for pre-pubertal/adolescent children to determine that they have joint hypermobility. Marfan Syndrome also causes hypermobility as well; so does other connective tissue disorders like Loeys–Dietz syndrome. I am not an expert, but I heard that hypermobility in patients with a connective tissue disorder causes great pain. Poeticfeelings (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypermobility the same as EDS Type 3 =

message: I don't think I'm good enough, but does somebody fancy writing up something on the advantages of hypermobility? I mean, there isn't anything major, but how many people do you know that answer the front door and use light switches with their feet? (there are other examples, I'm sure) --Ben0207 01:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages of being hypermobile 

message: Could someone who is more knowledgeable about the subject rephrase this line?  I don't think it needs this much hedwging. Croctotheface 08:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generally regarded as a likely possible symptom 

message: "The current diagnostic criteria for Hypermobility Syndrome are the Brighton criteria, which incorporate the Beighton score[1]."
This is correct - do not change Brighton back to Beighton. Brighton is *not* a misspelling of Beighton; they are separate things. Read the reference given. Crana 16:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brighton and Beighton

message: I have hypermobility and i have been told that hypermobility can help prevent osteoarthritis and it confused me when i read this artical. i was just wondering if anyone had more insight into it as both run in my family. Lolcy Lolcy 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  osteoarthritis 

message: I have looked again at the research after your comment. According to recent research articles accessible through internet search the link between osteoarthritis and hypermobility has been the subject of several studies. patients who present with oseoarthritis may well present also with hypermobility, a certain percentage of the population inherit hm and therefore will also develop osteoarthritis as being members of the total population. An individual with hypermobility has no more chance of developing osteo arthitis than any one else, in fact..the current research DOES show a degree of protection afforded to the articular joints particularly of the hands. Lolcy 01:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re:osteoarthritis and hypermobility 

message: Is there any link between RA and HMS?  I have these both in my family and wonder if any other families have this. Ian Murray, 20 June 2011.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rheumatoid arthritis and hypermobility 

message: Can an elaboration be made to the following statement made in this article: 
"There is considerable variation in joint hypermobility between ethnic communities."
I have not found any research that has indicated that there is any variation between ethnics & racial groups.  Has anyone located any information that led to this statement?  Can clarification or support be given for this statement?  Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zyphryn (talk • contribs) 00:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  They may be thinking of variation due to the regional encouragement of sports that require flexibility, but then it would be due to the sport, not the national origin. Whoever posts this would have to cite a study of innate hypermobility at birth. GUllman 18:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have chance to look it up now but I have definitely seen epidemiological studies indicating that hypermobility is more prevalent, for example, in people from the Indian subcontinent than in caucasians. It's not to do with sport. When I get time I'll reference it properly, but it's an established "fact". Crana 11:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read a book about HSD, by Brad Tinkle, and it briefly mentions that "Asians and those of African descent are typically more hypermobile than Caucasians." He also cites Pountain, Verhoeven, and Grahame and Hakim who presumably have similar findings  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgia.ande (talk • contribs) 23:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations In Joint Hypermobility Among Ethnic Groups 

message: I was always told that I was double-jointed, but this was never regarded as anything fitting the description on this page. In England, double-jointed means specifically being able to rotate the thumb in towards the palm while pointing the thumb outwards (it flips in and out with a click). If anything it is advantageous in extending the 'opposable thumb and finger' concept to other fingers. Being a touch-typist, I find that I cannot use a laptop without the text being scrambled as I type because the thumb interferes with the touch-pad unless I turn it off. On some laptops the pad cannot be disabled, and I have to cover it with a plate.
This is clearly an inherited feature in many families, as in mine, but not regarded as a syndrome, a medical condition or anything particularly unusual or disadvantageous. It's rather like the presence or absence of earlobes. Maybe this feature is particular to the UK or sections of the UK population?
I've just found a good page that describes the double-jointed thumb as being controlled by a dominant gene. 
--Memestream (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience, as a sufferer of the more nasty side-effects, GPs in the UK don't seem to see it as a syndrome, but hospital physiotherapists do. In fact it was mine that told me about it a few months ago. I was diagnosed with damaged hypermobile joints (approx 30% more movement than I should have at my age) 22 years ago, I found out there was a full blown syndrome 6 months ago. The term "hypermobile" is common in the UK, the addition of "syndrome" is not though. --WebHamster 18:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different use of the term in the UK? 

message: Should H'sT be taken as a hypermobility trait as http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/dispomim.cgi?id=274200 use the label "distal hyperextensibility" for it and http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-hitchhikers-thumb.htm says that it should not be thought as double jointedness? I think not. Probios (talk) 16:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Double jointedness is another laymans term for hypermobility.  "Hitchhikers Thumb" should be a sidenote in this article as it's simply an obvious form of hypermobility.  Most people with bilateral hypermobility of the thumbs will exhibit hypermobility throughout their body. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 16:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[hitchhiker's thumb]] 

message: Hypermobility is a  symptom of Larsen syndrome (LS), also called Autosomal Dominant Larsen syndrome, a congenital disorder. --User:Brenont (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larsen syndrome 

message: I note that there are several pictures in gallery showing people forcebly beding back their fingers (such as this one ). I suspect this is something anyone can do - I can forcebly bend my fingers back to a 90 degree angle, but I can berely do 45 degrees without forcing it and I don't think I have this condition. I also suspect that with some traing one can do even more. For sake of credability shouldn't only cases where one can bend their joints to abnormal position without taking extra mesures be used as ilustration ? 95.68.123.30 (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Forcing it is how it is checked by doctors.  You shouldn't be able to do it, if you don't have some form of hypermobility.  I've actually had people try to do it that don't have the disorder, and they can't do it at all. Janers0217 (talk) 08:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't understand why this is classified as a disease. My hands are as flexible as the ones of the original poster. I don't feel any pain and it's even very useful when playing the piano. --2.246.58.160 (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you that hypermobility is not considered a disease. However, patients with EDS (Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes) and hypermobility syndromes can have problems related to this- such as chronic pain from hypermobile joints, which may lead to dislocations and subluxations. The skin aspect can relate on this as well; in case of EDS, the disease causes skin to lack collagen which causes hypermobility, thus leading to many problems. I hope this helps! Poeticfeelings (talk) 11:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is forcing it hypermobility ? 

message: What on earth does this mean? Googling "cules is coolis ail" does not find a definition. Language is about understanding and if very few people understand this the phrase is pointless. Ian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.165.158 (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes - "and each cules is coolis ail in the following sections." 

message: All i see in this article is hands, it makes readers think that its more common with hands than anything else. Most people can do the same thing illustrated in the first picture but doctors usually wont list it as a medical condition if its something like a arm or a leg.On my family we have the gene that contains Hypermobility and i will be happy to show what a arm looks like.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.199.156 (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are pictures (more like diagram, I believe) of Beighton Score demonstrating hypermobile legs and arms available through Ehlers-Danlos Society from their hEDS diagnosis checklist. I do not know if it is copyrighted. Would you like me to attach the checklist? Poeticfeelings (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pictures? 

message: I have organized the article per WP:MEDMOS and removed some primary sources. This for example is a primary source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Added relationship to anxiety disorder based on better reference  Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: Given the definition in the lede, "joints that stretch farther than normal", I don't see how the fingers in the top photo are hypermobile. What makes them unusual is that the top joints bend while the middle joints remain straight. I don't think the top joints bend at an unusually acute angle. Ornilnas (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the photo in the lede show hypermobile fingers?