Talk:Bessarabia Governorate

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* Oppose, most of the time (between 1812–1871), it was an oblast, not a governorate. This article is about both periods. bogdan (talk) 09:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: 1. Where does Judet come from? It's not in the statute...
#: "Judeţ" and "ţinut" are basically synonyms from a historical point-of-view. I think "judeţ" was more often used in Wallachia and "ţinut" in Moldavia. Another term often used was "ţară" (as in "ţara Vrancei"). bogdan (talk) 00:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Like many things in two different countries, Moldavia's and Wallachia's districts had different names.In Wallachia they were called "judete". In Moldova they were called "tinuturi": in Transpruthan Moldavia until 1864 when the Wallachian system was imposed and the traditional Moldavian system eliminated (see here a confirmation), and in Cispruthan Moldavia (system extended by Russians in all of Bessarabia) until the Romanian annexation. And the 1818 Charter mentions no "judet", unless that's a way of transliterating "уезд" (???). And also, I could find no mention of "county" referring to Bessarabian districtsXasha (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While Xasha's choice of words may have been unhelpful, he is correct in that the 1818 document you're citing does not use the word "judet" (жудец) at all. If "tinut" is the correct local word to describe the districts, then why mention the Wallachian one? --Illythr (talk) 01:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Depends when you count them. In 1814, after the Ottoman rajas and the Tatar Causeni khanate were dissolved they were 9, in 1817 8, in 1818 6, sometime after 1830 8 again, then in 1857 7, then 8 again in 1878.Xasha (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, I guess the solution would be to specify the time frame of each one. Or where there several ones? --Illythr (talk) 01:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Judet-Tinut

message: I propose to move Bessarabia Governorate to Governorate of Bessarabia. In Russian, and in Romanian (the official languages at the time), the name was Governorate of Bessarabia. The Russian name can be translated as "Governorate of Bessarabia", but equally as "Bessarabian Governorate", but never as the current title. It fits with other names of Russian Governorates in WP: "X Governorate" and "Governorate of X" are both used, depending on which better expresses the meaning in Russian. The same should be here. "X Governorate" is used mostly (almost exclusively) for the cases where X is a city, which is not the case here. Dc76\talk 09:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

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