Wikipedia talk:RFA as RFC

message: Consider this to be an expanded edit summary of this edit. The changes I made were:
*Changed the names of sections from RfC to correspond to the proposed RfA method
*Changed the meaning of the instructions. The previous instructions inadvertently implied, for example, that a user could not raise two different concerns, or respond to a concern whilst raising another one, and that the nominators could not respond to concerns (although the nominee could). I've relaxed the restrictions on editing other sections somewhat.
*Moved the 'Discussion' section heading back to the bottom and renamed it (a revert of Triona); the section is to direct discussion to the talk page and stop it showing up on the main page.
*Changed the name of some sections, and updated the page accordingly.
*Nowiki'd some colons so they'd actually show up (because ;a:b is a definition in a definition list).
I think that's it, but it's possible there were some minor tweaks in there that I've already forgotten about. --ais523 08:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of a major change

message: I'm willing, and hopefully so are others, to have a "dry run" through the process. The decision will not be binding, but will perhaps show how a real RfA in this format will look. — Werdna talk criticism 06:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with running it as a simulation and treating it seriously. If it isn't a binding decision, it's probably best to run it in userspace or somewhere else 'unofficial' to prevent the problems there were last time something like this was tried (check the early history of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/AzaToth (2)). --ais523 07:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There'll be great big letters up the top saying "This is not official" or something. — Werdna talk criticism 09:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a live trial is the only way to see how it works, as it's the only way to get realistic participation. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 02:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:RFA as RFC/Werdna. No nomination or confirmations yet. — Werdna talk criticism 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I think it's fair to say that the trial run failed due to lack of community interest. >Radiant< 13:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial run? 

message: This is absolutely wonderful and necessary! Heavy kudos to whoever thought of this. --Improv 01:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fantastic! 

message: There is a fundamental flaw with this approach - it doesn't cancel out the effect of numbers in RFAs, it just cancels out the effect of Oppose 'votes'. The numbers are still there - except under this proposal the entirety of the Support 'votes' would be counted against individual divisions of Oppose 'votes'. For example, let's say a hypothetical RFA candidate gets 100 Supports and 150 Opposes. Under common sense, and current RFA procedure, they wouldn't have a chance in hell. However, if the oppose votes were on different issues, e.g.
*50 over civility concerns
*30 over lack of experience
*70 over previous vandalism
Then under this procedure a clearly rejected RFA would actually pass. Cynical 08:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that situation, I would expect a bureaucrat to fail the nomination. It all comes down to bureaucrat's discretion. — Werdna talk criticism 10:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with this 

message: Namely, directing discussion to the talk page. With an RfC, you do not really care if you get a debate, since the idea is simply to get feedback. However, with an RfA, debating is important to build a consensus, which is unneeded in RfC. What reason is there to direct all actual discussion to the talk page? Modeling the process for granting adminship after a dispute resolution process seems like it wouldn't work well, since you ideally do not want to have to resolve disputes, so it's not necessarily designed to be something you want to go through. This is better than certain other proposals to "improve" RfA, at least. -Amarkov babble 00:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another problem with this. 

message: ...may want to look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Matt Britt, which appears to be a trial run of a similar process. --ais523 13:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone who still has this page watchlisted...