Talk:Windsor knot

message: It seems strange and out of place, or at least poorly written, why is it here? 71.241.153.185 (talk) 14:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Removing. tlesher (talk) 12:37, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: James Bond Reference

message: Is that diagram accurate? MyNameIsNotBob 21:02, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
::No, the first step was wrong...it had you bringing the large section of the tie underneath the tail rather than over it.  After that, i think it pretty much followed the right path, but it was all messed up from that first error.  I've removed it. If someone cares to re-create the diagram, go ahead by all means.--jfg284 you were saying? 12:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "alternative" looks a lot like a half windsor to my eye. Is it? Ibadibam (talk) 02:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Diagram

message: I removed these external links:
* http: //www.tieknot.com/windsor-knot.html Windsor knot on tieknot.com
* http: //www.how-to-tie-a-tie.org/windsor-knot.html How to tie a necktie
* http: //www.scoutdb.org/h2tat/ ScoutDB.org presents "How To Tie A Tie"
* http: //www.necktieguide.com/knots4.html How to tie a tie using the Windsor knot
They all show an inferior, if not questionable, version of the Windsor, and one which contravenes the proper directions given in the text of the Wiki article.  The scoutdb.org text actually contradicts its own diagrams.
The final link was completely erroneous:
* http: //tie-instructions.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-to-tie-double-windsor-knot.html How to tie a double Windsor knot]
It claims to instruct one how to tie the nonexistent "double Windsor", but actually directs one to tie a version of the half-Windsor.  A very poor link indeed.
ENeville 15:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading External links

message: I removed the following text from the article.  Without access to the book, this notation is not generally useful to wikipedia readers.
:Using the notation of The 85 Ways to Tie a Tie by Thomas Fink and Yong Mao, the Windsor knot (knot 31) is tied
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:    * Li Co Ri Lo Ci Ro Li Co T
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:Common variations are
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:    * Li Co Li Ro Ci Lo Ri Co T (knot 32)
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:    * Li Co Ri Lo Ci Lo Ri Co T (knot 33)
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:    * Li Co Li Ro Ci Ro Li Co T (knot 35).
--Dfred 20:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... it's quite a simple nand useful notation, which you can see in the link to the external to the book from our article on it. Jooler 08:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I added this notation to the article again after explaining it in the book's page. Delph2 18:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those additions in the book's article.  WP should be, as much as possible, a stand-alone resource. --Dfred 21:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fink/Mao notation

message: There is no point in having this article without an explanation of how the knot is tied. I'm aware of the relevant WP:NOT clause, and I don't think it was intended to strip articles of essential content. Gazpacho 21:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree that WP:SENSE should come into play here, but clearly the question regarding the procedural aspect of knotting articles needs to be addressed in general wrt WP:NOT... Please feel free to join the exchange going on at Talk:Knot#"How to" tie knots...  --Dfred 01:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tying

message: The image currently at the top of the page looks like a perfect example of a four-in-hand knot to me. It is clearly not symmetrical which is one of the defining aspects of a windsor knot. A better example should be used. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.172.191.68 (talk) 08:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Windsor 

message: In a recent book (c. 2007) about royalty, I was surprised to see the Duke of Windsor linked to the Windsor knot.
Surprised, because I remembered it mentioned in Sherwood Anderson's short story "I'm a Fool", published around 1922.
Well, on looking up the reference, I see that the narrator's antagonist wore a Windsor TIE.  The narrator took an instant dislike to this tie-wearer, because he was "putting up a good front".  This idea seems related to the Ian Fleming quote in the current article.  Possibly Anderson knew of the knot, but wrote of the tie because, being a concrete object, it strengthens the story.
Trouble is, there was no Duke of Windsor before 1937, because the title was created expressly for the former King Edward VIII.  The House of Windsor itself took that name only in 1914, so chances seem high that the Windsor connection to neckwear predates 1914.
My hunch is that it may be connected to one or more of: 
(1) a style worn by the servants at Windsor, either on- or off-duty
(2) or a style worn at Eton, directly across the Thames, and known for a style of collar (worn with a cravat).
(3) Ascot, also associated with neckwear, and only six miles from Windsor
Monomoit 04:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windsor TIE 

message: Does this have a cowmen name like the four-in-hand knot is known as the buntline hitch?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I.D.10-t (talk • contribs) 18:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: cowmen name

message: Prince Michael does not wear a Windsor. Like Edward VIII his ties are of a wide and thick construction that produces a large knot. The Windsor knot is not required.
Some of his ties have appeared to be too short to be tied with a four-in-hand but they are “Kipper ties” which are short by nature. The name comes from its shape that looks like a short, stubby fish hanging from your neck, head down. The four-in-hand is the suggested knot for kipper ties.
Moreover the shape of his tie is not that of a windsor. The windsor is inevitably of a squat and equilateral shape, which Prince Michael's ties never are.  His ties are conical and long.
The symmetricality is another matter. Look closely and you'll they're not symmetrical at all. Not the sort of symmetricality you see on a windsor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.136.138.43 (talk) 07:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  no evidence that Prince Michael of Kent uses the Windsor 

message: This article asserts that the knot was name after Edward VII, rather than the Duke of Windsor. It then goes on to say: "The Windsor knot was invented to emulate the Duke's wide knot with regular ties. So, which one is it? Tad Lincoln (talk) 08:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: "The Windsor knot is the only tie knot that is to be used by all personnel in the Royal Air Force and the Royal Air Force Cadets (ATC and CCF(RAF)) in the UK when wearing their black tie while in uniform."  
Since when?  Not when I served for the 12 years from 1970 to 1982 (at home and abroad).  Kiltpin (talk) 18:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Air Force? 

message: Much of this article is merely unsupported opinion about the supposed aesthetic qualities of the knot, in a pedantic and prescriptionist tone. Much of the rest is a how-to giving sometimes conflicting instructions. Wikipedia specifically deprecates opinion and how-to articles. The fashion-police opinions should be almost entirely deleted, and the instructional material should be reduced to a simple description of the knot, without lengthy instructions for young boys who haven't learnt it yet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.224.91 (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion and How-to 

message: Didn't King Edward VIII become Duke of Windsor after his abdication? The article has it wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.220.29 (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duke of Windsor

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