Talk:Arkhangelsk

message: What else besides a fishing port is the town of Arkhangelsk?  I am very suspicious, as there have been numerous neuclear sub collusions on and around that area, especially between US and Russian subs.
*This is one of the ports where Allied forces deposited munitions during WWI which subsequently served as an excuse for Allied presence after the withdrawal of Russian forces from the conflict. This of course was seen during the Soviet years as having been an encroachment by the Allies, as evidenced in Kruschev’s lamenting at the U.N..
*As far as I know there is a large military industry (ship/submarine) in Severodvinsk, about 40 km from Arkhangelsk. I guess the Americans are interested in Severodvinsk, which was a closed city in Soviet times. Arkhangelsk is a port for the wood industry: logs are floated/rafted down the Dwina to Arkhangelsk and loaded on ships there; forestry makes up a third or so of the city's economy. Then there are wood derivative industires such as paper, cellulose and chemistry. Also, Arkhangelsk is a cultural center for all the surrounding towns and villages: kids "from the forest" go to university in Arkhangelsk. You must remember (or look at a map) that, apart from ship-building Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk is the only city at all in this part of Russia. The next city is 500 km away (Vologda), an in the north-east there are no cities at all. So for this whole area Arkhangelsk serves as an urban center with education, hospitals etc. Cities don't exist for industry alone.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.165.26.210 (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fishing port

message: Can we get explanation why this city is also reffered to in historical text (16-17th century) as Dünamünde/Dunamunde and Ust-Dvinsk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Referred to by whom? Probably because the city commands the mouth of the Dvina River, and there is a fortress (see the picture) defending its mouth. Duna is the German for Dvina, munde is the German for mouth. --Ghirlandajo 14:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Arkhangelsk is likely the most correct name and should be used throughout Wiki, however other names exist and should be acknowledged. Dünamünde [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&hl=en&q=D%C3%BCnam%C3%BCnde 
824 google hits], Dunamunde 550 hits, Ust-Dvinsk 379 hits. Other possible German name: Erzengelstadt, but I have not seen this one in my research. For your info, those names came up when I was doing research about Polish-Swedish War, and it took me some time to conclude that they probably refer to Arkhangelsk. It would be much easier if they and their redirects were known to Wiki (and FYI, this is the main reason I support inclusion of other than main names in various articles). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:00, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to double check it. Dunamunde (Russian: Ust-Dvinsk) is a fortress in Latvia, 13 miles from Riga, commanding the mouth of the Daugava. The first monastery on the spot was founded by Teutonic Knights in 1201. . --Ghirlandajo 15:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tnx. So if I understand it correctly, those names (Dunamunde/Dünamünde) do not refer to the town of Arkhangelsk, but only to a castle (fortress) somewhere else? I recall some sources speak of 'castle and town of Dunamunde'. But is Dunemunde is the same thing as Ust-Dvinsk? The article on Ivan VI of Russia has a redirect (from Ust-Dvinsk to Arkhangelsk, created by you), which is the source of my confusion. How close is that fortress to the modern Arkhangelsk?  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One more name of the place: Daugavgriva. Could you create a stub based on your post above and fix the redircets? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I will start the article today. --Ghirlandajo 08:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job - tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Daugravgriva (German Dünamünde) is a fortress currently within the borders of the city of Riga. It seems like it was founded as a cloister and then fortified by the Livonian Order and Bishops of Riga. Count Bernhard II of Lippe became the abbot of it in the early 13th century. These links all mention it a little: , , , , . Olessi 08:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ust-Dvinsk is the Russian name for Daugavgriva, not an alternate name for Arkhangelsk (see EB 1911). Erzengelstadt is the direct translation of Arkhangelsk into German, but that name is not used to refer to the city as far as I can tell. Olessi 08:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other names

message: I'm not sure which map was requested, but I added the map showing where Arkhangelsk is located in Russia. Conscious 11:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: this page does not give  u the information u need to do a school project on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.69.26.209 (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Typing in (and even C&Ping from this page) "
Arkhangelsk" does not bring me to this page (instead I got: "Create the page "Arkhangelsk" on this wiki! See also the search results found.. "). Nor does a search of Wik using "Archangel."  In fact, I only got here by doing an Internet search! Kdammers (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I get it no problem by copypasting the title of this section into the search window.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Worked fine for me as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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