Talk:Buxton University

message: If there are several institutions all operating out of instantdegree.com should we not move this to that location and have redirects at this and other sites? Just zis Guy you know? 15:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Redirect this to instantdegrees.com Arbusto 09:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merger

message: *Would someone please provide a footnote that connects Ashford with "Buxton". As far as I can tell, the link that is there now does not mention Ashford. -- JJay 23:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read if off a chat board at a page about diploma mills. Arbusto 04:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ashford University (London)

message: I believe that we should use this wording about the school. I believe that it is a sham school but we do not have empirical evidence to say so. Therefore it is wrong to state with 100% certainty that it is so. 
Buxton University may be considered an unaccredited institution, which claims existence in London, England but has its address in Portugal. Some critics have called it a diploma mill and some believe that instantdegrees.com is linked to this school as noted by several sources.[1][2]
Okay it is in the talk page, why so strong with the wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.196.226 (talk • contribs) 
# It's not my wording, but it's wording that has been there, and I'm willing to defend it.
# Take a look at WP:WEASEL.
# The fact that is unaccredited is covered in the second paragraph -- the only body that purports to accredit it is not generally recognized as legitimate.  
# The first occurrance of the word "some" in your second sentence is redundant -- that is what is normally meant by the construction such as "Critics have called it..." -- and a representative sample of the critics are listed below.
# The second occurrance of the word "some", as in "Some believe" presents what appears to be a matter of fact (as demonstrated by the sources) to be a matter of unsupported belief.
-- ArglebargleIV 17:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree completely with Arglebargle's response. This isn't POV, it's well supported by facts. WP:NPOV doesn't say we should always present both views as equally justified, only that we need references and must avoid undue weight. Malc82 21:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The first sentence in the article claims "one of its official websites is instantdegrees.com as noted by several sources."  The sources do not prove that instantdegrees.com is an official site of Buxton, or that they are one in the same.  In the FAQ at instantdegrees, they claim to offer degrees from many different institutions.  This is speculative at best and should be changed.  U62 22:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV wording?

message: Not a single one of the references are verifiable.  Two are gone and no longer exist:  and , both retrieved 26 July 2007 at 18:19 EST.
One reference makes claims about Buxton, without any details:  -- it is an article about Phoenix. The last reference says nothing at all about Buxton: .  This article is now completely unreferenced and unverifiable. Bearian 22:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To say that an accrediting body in the United States is not recognized by the Department of Education (DOE) means just that they don't recognize it, and a student can not receive Federal financial aid unless the college they attend has either regional or national accreditation. (For a national list, see the list at ).  However, some perfectly good accrediting bodies are not on that list, for example, the American Association of Medical Assistants  was approved by the National Commission for Certifying Agencies (NCCA), but is not approved by the DOE. I think this is important because it further weakens the article's claims.  The article should be clearer what lack of suitible accreditation means versus "unaccredited".  Bearian 22:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of all the states that keep lists of unaccredited colleges (Oregon, Texas, New York, and Maine amongst them), only Michigan lists Buxton U. as unaccredited , and thus would be considered by that state to be a diploma mill. Bearian 22:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found the correct citation from Oregon. Bearian 16:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  This was also buried in the history of the mainspace article:
"I believe that we should use this wording about the school. I believe that it is a sham school but we do not have empirical evidence to say so. Therefore it is wrong to state with 100% certainty that it is so. Below is what we should say.' Yes, ArglebargleIV, I know that you feel strongly about this, but you should not state the wording so strongly with out the above stated proof." (-- from an IP address) Bearian 16:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified claims 

message: I have removed 'all unverified claims, and made such other bold edits as I can, short of deleting the whole article. A redirect is not advisible, because instantdegrees.com has not been shown to have any connection with Buxton. Bearian 16:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did more work and found all the cites. One is to a blog about a Nigerian newsmagazine.  Take it for what you will. I'm done with this one for now. Bearian 17:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I've reverted unexplained deletions by 72.236.94.90, and further reverted their additions of information about a Buxton University in Cleveland, TN which I believe to be a hoax.  Their additions claim that Buxton U. is on US News and World Report's list of liberal arts colleges, but it isn't.  Google has not heard of Buxton U. in Cleveland, TN.  The church of God (their supposed affiliate) website doesn't mention it. --barneca (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likely hoax 

message: http://web.archive.org/web/20060501174717/www.woai.com/troubleshooters/story.aspx?content_id=9786AD9F-9742-448A-B78B-5C42B4241302
Kadzuwo (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, thanks. Didn't expect diploma mills to operate that obviously. Malc82 (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Have added your link to the article. Thanks again. Malc82 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  For Your Info 

message: A couple of years back I was doing my IMIS which is an Advanced Diploma from the Institute for the Management of Information Systems (UK). Later I chose to get my Degree in IT from an On-Line Institution and some collegues of mine told me about Buxton University. 
I took a look at its site and I was Impressed. I contacted them with regards to the credits I already had from my Advanced Diploma and after some time they accepted me into their Institution.
I paid roughly $6000 for the entire course but was excempt from 1/2 the coursework due to my Diploma. I recieved all the material and did all the exams which were timed and you had to scan them back within 3 hours of recieving them. I also did my thesis and was submitted to them too.
I finally graduated this year and had finally some time off after work. 
I tried my luck by Googling the University (which I never did before) to see this page. I was shocked for two reasons, Both IIMS and Buxton are not acctredited according to the Michigan list. So I went nuts. Now I sat for the exams, and IIMS is not On-Line, but Correspondence.
Now I am asking mself is it possible that I spent all that money for nothing ? I don't think so. Since its Website clearly states that it would take into consideration Experience Degrees, could it be that the Certifiactions are Legal and Real, however some loopholes allowed other students to graduate with a fracion of the price via some intermediary.
And Hopefully its not a Diploma Mill for Me and all who did like me!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberD1 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose of this talk page is to discuss improvments to the article rather than discussion about the subject itself. Sorry if I appear unfriendly but there is a difference. Please see wp:TALK. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: CyberD1, you may want to discuss the issue with someone on their talk page or via email or on a discussion forum dealing with distance learning? You're free to communicate with me via those methods. Some forums that you may want to visit are http://www.degreeinfo.com or http://www.degreediscussion.com TallMagic (talk) 06:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worrying Questions 

message: as the above is the parent organization, why is there not a parent article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milanofish (talk • contribs) 14:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Notice that Instantdegrees.com redirects to Buxton University. --Orlady (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see that now, thanks. Perhaps instantdegrees.com deserves its own article?Milanofish (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  instantdegrees.com 

message: There is some evidence that this institution was once legitimate, with a campus, but was purchased and later turned into a "diploma mill".  Does anyone have any articles, screen shots, or other reliable sources to show this? Bearian (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, User: Bruno Bassi seems to imply that at least as of 1994, it was good.  Sometime between then and 2007 it was bought out. Bearian (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I seriously doubt that Buxton University was in existance much before 2003. The reason is that I have the 15th edition of Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning. It has no listing for a Buxton University. It has a copyright date of 2003, which is why I doubt it existed much before 2003, especially doubtful that it existed as legitimate university. Zugman (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once legitimate? 

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