Talk:Sun Microsystems/Archive 1

message: Someone complained to me about some of the facts in here, but the writing is sufficiently klunky and horrible that I can hardly parse them.  I am now doing a ton of mostly-for-style edits, when I get finished and we actually have something readable, feel free to come back and argue about the facts.  If I change anything that feels material, I'll note it here. Tim Bray 04:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This para was stuck in the "Hardware" section.  I moved some of it into the "Java" section but re-wrote it heavily in the process.  Parking the original here for now in case feelings are hurt: Sun also heavily promoted the Java programming language. Java achieved modest success as a tool for developing server-side Web applications and client-side Java applets.  But because Sun was hopelessly inexperienced at supporting consumer needs, and Java suffered from severe structural flaws in its early versions, it was never able to displace Microsoft C++ and the Windows API as the primary technology powering client-side applications on consumer and corporate desktops. Tim Bray 04:50, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, I'm done, at least it's in English now and all the sentences have subjects, verbs, and objects.  Back to the NPOV wars. Tim Bray 06:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Klunky Language

message: I work for Sun, and whereas the nominal HQ may be in Santa Clara, the campus in Menlo Park has as much (probably more) executive presence.  I think that the assertion that the HQ is in Santa Clara, and the paragraph about the Agnews/insane asylum, verges on misleading.  I'd like to rewrite to something along the lines of "The company's headquarters is in Silicon Valley; there are large campuses in Menlo Park and Santa Clara (comprising several buildings previously part of an insane asylum).  If nobody disagrees, I'll do that soon. Tim Bray 05:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK HQ can be onpy in one place; this is an official designation for the company; it should be somewhere in financial information, visible e.g., at finance.yahoo.com, and of course at Sun home page, and it must be taken from an official text. But of course you may describe the actual state of affairs about executive presence, if it is not a classified or otherwise sensitive information :-) We don't want wikipedia sued. 16:45, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: HQ?

message: did these guys invent the pop up add?
:I doubt it.  Sun has done a lot of odd things, but I don't think they would be that crazy---I hope.  --Coolcaesar 06:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  did these guys invent the pop up add? 

message: The syntax and grammar in this article are awful, the narrative is non-existent, the structure is jumbled, and some of the interesting facts are missing. To wit:
WTF does Sun's earthquake insurance, or lack thereof, have to do with "current focus"?!? That should be under "trivia" or something non-essential like that.
And isn't it a textbook example of "POV" to defend Sun for not having earthquake insurance?
Since Java is such a phenomenal language (maybe the article could just link to the entry on it, rather than trying, and failing, to explain it) wouldn't the actual beginnings of the language be worth adding? Java was originally conceived as a software platform for cable television set-top boxes as part of Sun's joint venture with Time Warner into interactive TV in Florida (Orlando, I believe) in the early '90s. It was repositioned as the "write-once, read-anywhere" solution to client-side web programming later, after the Time Warner experiment fizzled and Netscape IPO'ed for over a billion dollars. When the client performance sucked (as interpreted bloated languages on sub 200MHz processors tend to do), server-side Java--where most of the interesting work has happened for over ten years--was invented to try to capture some of the buzz. Remember, folks, Sun was the original Google, at least in terms of "is going to invent something wicked-cool to break MS's stranglehold on the OS" is concerned. (Linux folken, hush. The "buzz" surrounding Linux as an MS replacement began well after the Java hype left the pages of Newsweek. Trust me.)
And if you want to add more actual interest to this lame article, detail some of Scott McNealy's infatuation with competing with Microsoft generally, and William H. Gates, III, specifically. That's actually relevant to people who might be looking here for info on Sun.
And no, I'm not about to try rewriting this monstrosity. Those who are willing to are to be commended, then directed to read actual encyclopedia articles for guidance.
PS - I'm not an MS apologizer. I hate the Beast from Redmond with a passion, so I expect an article on Sun to be, um, readable.
Get to it.
-- DDN
:Be bold. Rather than lengthy whining, you might as well have been edited the article itself. mikka (t) 17:43, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh, I'm sorry I can't feel sorry for you that much. You have a huge list of things that I sure you are capable of doing.
Gutworth 03:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible article 

message: "Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: SUNW) is a computer, computer component designer, and software manufacturer ...". In this context, Sun is not a computer, but I doubt this is what is intended anyway. How about "Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: SUNW) is a computer and computer component manufacturer and software developer ...".  Nurg 09:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: First sentence needs fixing

message: Could someone add something about the "CoolThreads" chips?
I saw a brief mention of it in
"Sun Bets on Cool Profit With New Chips":
"CoolThreads has eight cores, or processing brains, on a single chip.
Each core can handle four programs, or threads, at once."
which reminds me of the Cell microprocessor.
Anyone have more information?
--70.189.73.224 22:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CoolThreads chips 

message: In the beginning of the article it says "the NFS and ZFS network file systems"; Is ZFS a network filesystem? 
:No, it's not.  And neither ZFS nor NFS are "products," strictly speaking -- they're technologies that are part of certain Sun products. --NapoliRoma 17:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ZFS

message: This section is badly written, is apparently about Celestica not Sun, and I don't think really adds value.  I'm nuking for now. If someone would like to argue, here's the place. Tim Bray 01:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Repair Sites

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_management_system ?? Poweroid 18:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NMAS red link in the article

message: It looks like at one time there was a ref in the infobox to a Reuters site that got changed to a Sun site instead.  However, this named ref was also used for two other bits of data that are not actually backed up by the Sun page.  So, I've taken those two references and changed them to s.  If anyone has time to chase these down, please have at it.
(I also formatted the infobox and embedded citations, since it helped me figure out what was what.)--NapoliRoma 02:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Financials refs in infobox 

message: I added the Q2 FY2007 Financial Results.  I realize that these results are not for a full year yet, but since the old results were two years old, and because Sun has recently done much better, I thought it would be better to post the newest results.
192.18.101.5 21:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q2 FY2007 Financial Results