Talk:Indonesian invasion of East Timor

message: This article devotes little exploration of the actual invasion, but rather spends most of its time discussing western and UN involvement in some depth. Should there not be more on the actual military aspets and before that the background to the invasion? --Merbabu 13:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The military aspects not being unimportant, it is also true that once the powers that be said "yes", the invasion became a simple pro-forma walk-in. Xyzt1234 22:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Emphasis

message: I'd like to rename this article "Indonesian occupation of East Timor". The UN condemned the invasion; very few governments (I know of only Australia) recognized the "annexation"; and naming it "occupation" would allow for a more comprehensive review of the 1975–1999 period of time. Thoughts? – Scartol • Tok 23:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article as it stands (perhaps because of the name) only discusses the early invasion period. I'd suggest starting an article on the occupation period itself - there's certainly more than enough there for an article, and I feel that the invasion needs its own article. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Your opinion is shared by the folks at WP MilHist, so once I get to it, I'll start with the redir page. Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 13:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename request 

message: I removed a large section of rambling, possibly WP:OR from East Timor. Apart from POV, style and referencing issues, it's simply too long for that country summary article. Diff is . Perhaps some of this info can be used - and some not - but must be scrupulously referenced due to the contentious nature of the topic. regards --Merbabu (talk) 09:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional info

message: Hello - I've been doing some extensive research on the invasion of East Timor by Indonesia over the past few months and the article seems pretty accurate in comparison to the scholarly works out there. Over the next few days, I will be doing some editing and cleaning up - Please do not be alarmed! I am a new Wikipedia user so you may find some of my adjustments unorthodox - please excuse me! Thank you. IR393DEME (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the 'citations needed' - I actually was not the one who wrote it. Hopefully the original author can figure it out?
Don't panic: it is not your responsibility to make the article perfect, just do the best you can.  The cite needed tag just alerts all editors that a citation is missing.  Maybe someone will find a citation tomorrow or next week or next year.  There is no time limit in Wikipedia.  The cite needed tag also alerts the reader that some information is not verified yet (or might, indeed, be wrong).  The original author may fix it, or they might never be back, and someone else will eventually fix it.  Theoretically, after an infinite amount of time, Wikipedia will be perfect. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Some editing over the next few days

message: I believe that the British (British Aerospace / BAE Systems) also sold arms to Indonesia, such as Hawk aircraft, used in the invasion. Could anyone add a section, like those for the US and Australia? 202.231.41.1 (talk) 13:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, given Indonesia didn't actually order the Hawk until 1978, BAE must have included time machine in the deal for them to have been used in the invasion. Nick Cooper (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: British Involvement

message: This edit may be it for Horhey.  He's been given his "last warning" already.  His restoration of this removed, copied and pasted material, after being told that it violated copyright (coupled with his edit warring and failure to discuss his differences on the talk page) could result in him being banned.  I intend to report it to an admin as soon as I get a chance.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:13, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I already angry here. Ald™ ¬_¬™ 04:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Horhey reverted it twice, while personally attacking other editors as "censors".  He's digging deeper and deeper.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Excuses, excuses.  You failed to discuss.  More importantly, you were copying and pasting material from the start--including commentary from the articles you were copying.  You even added an interview with President Clinton and a paragraph of commentary by the Democracy Now! interviewer, despite the clear violation of WP:UNDUE.  Your personal attacks and edit warring after being told not to copy and paste huge chunks of material is the main issue--your conduct is even more offensive than your content.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Horhey has been blocked.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  per 1st Ald™ ¬_¬™ 04:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horhey Edit Warring 

message: There have been frequent edits to this article by IP editors adding countries such as the US and the UK under "supported by" in the infobox for the Indonesian side, and Portugal for the East Timorese side. However these countries played no military part in the invasion. They may well have provided political support (particularly the US), but that does not qualify for inclusion in the infobox. If is did, surely every ASEAN nation would be in there, and perhaps Australia could be included in the "supported by" category for the East Timor side as the invading Indonesians killed five journalists covering the story. I will keep reverting this every time it gets changed, but would welcome any thoughts from anybody on this issue.  Davidelit (Talk)  03:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with this, I tried looking up the source for which placed the supported countries in the infobox but I cannot find the source anywhere at all (Jolliffe, pp. 208–216; Indonesia (1977)). Jill Jolliffee has no book attributed to her that is called "Indonesia (1977)" as far as I can see from the National Library of Australia and as such recommend removing the countries from the infobox until a valid source can be provide the backs up said claims of supporting nations. Kunamesenpai (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported by... 

message: The infobox claims that the "UDT" fought as an East Timor "dissident" on the side of Indonesia, but this seems very wrong according to the UDT article. That one explains that until January 1975 they were actually direct allies of FRETLIN, but that this weakened due to foreign pressure and intimidation. They were the ones to carry out a coup against Portugal, yes, but then afterwards they fled West and were forced by the Indonesians to sign their petition. I see no reason to say UDT was on the Indonesian side. 188.207.91.211 (talk) 17:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The UDT fought against FRETILIN in 1975, after influence of Indonesian secret service, but lost. Most of UDT members fled to Indonesian West Timor, some cooperated with Indonesians and collaborated, when Indonesia invaded East Timor. There was the so called Balibo declaration, where UDT and APODETI members requested Indonesia for help, but it was incenated by Indonesia. Later the UDT was part of resistance against Indonesian occupation. It is very difficult to say, if they were on side of Indonesia. I woul say: "Some of UDT were, but not all like APODETI." --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd combatans

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message: The Netherland did not support the invasion of Timor and Minister Pronk of the Netherlands was excused in 1992 when he critizided the Indonesian government which led to a diplomatic problem between two nations.
https://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/indonesie-duldt-geen-enkele-herdenking-bloedbad-oost-timor~b04cb739/
--Orange2000 (talk) 10:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch involvement

message: It was listed that Prabowo Subianto was among invasion commander. This is wrong because Prabowo Subianto did not involved in the invasion (1975), but rather he was chosen as commander of Group 1 Special Forces in East Timor on 1976 after the invasion was completed. So Prabowo Subianto's leadership was to retain Indonesia's occupancy in East Timor instead of during the invasion itself. 149.113.219.233 (talk) 00:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prabowo Subianto