Talk:Patrick Kane

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I think listing Kane's birthplace as "South Buffalo, NY" (all capitalized like that) are misleading, because it makes it sound that "South Buffalo" is the name of a distinct municipality, like South Bend, Ind.  There is no place officially called "South Buffalo," it is just a neighborhood within the city of Buffalo.  Leaving it in the biographical section as the neighborhood Kane grew up in is fine though.
For example, if you look up the article on Joe Mullen, it lists his birthplace as New York, NY, not Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, New York.140.251.125.50 (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Buffalo? 

message: I think we should at least wait a day until more information comes out about this scuffle and the cabbie. It just hit the media and not enough details are out to give a Neutral point of view of the event yet. Just my thoughts. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To state that he had been arrested on robbery charges on a dispute over cab fare is NPOV.  So long as no further assumptions are made.  It isn't like there aren't a ton of sources for it. Resolute 19:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad behaviour off the ice 

message: Just a few corrections for the sidebar: Kane is 5'9" and weighs 160 lb.  Both the Internet Hockey Database and ESPN concur on this - I don't know where the other information is sourced from.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96554
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?playerId=3735  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.212.124 (talk) 17:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His NHL.com profile says 5'10, 175. All 3 sites are reliable, though. http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8474141#&navid=nhl-keymatch RandySavageFTW (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats Errors 

message: Why can't you edit this page? It should show Patrick "20 Cent" Kane. To properly create a suitable nickname, such sources as Wikipedia should display it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JYDK (talk • contribs) 
:I've temporarily protected the page from editing by unregistered and new editors due to repeated vandalism and violations of our biographies of living persons policy.  The protection will be lifted automatically in about a day and a half, but I will immediately extend it if it becomes necessary.  To answer your question, Wikipedia is not the place to promote a new nickname.  While the "20 cent" nickname certainly has gained traction on online forums, it has no basis in reliable sources for Wikipedia's purposes. At this point, the repeated inclusion of it would be considered vandalism. Resolute 03:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrest editing question

message: I don't think this team even exists, he played for US National Team but never a team called the Bobcats.Sportslogo (talk) 02:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: US Bobcats

message: Does anyone know if Kane is the first American to score a Stanley Cup winning goal? I can't recall another. I know we have to wait until the it's said in the media, but I thought I'd mention it. BashBrannigan (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As any Buffalo fan will tell you, Brett Hull scored a Stanley Cup winning "goal" with his skate in the crease, triple-OT of Game 6, 1999.  Hull was a dual citizen, but he played internationally for USA.72.225.232.224 (talk) 18:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a complete list of Cup-winning goal scorers.  Off the top of my head, Neal Broten (1995) and Mike Rupp (2003) are Americans as well.  You can look through the others, there might be more.72.225.232.224 (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: First Cup winning goal by an American?

message: If the WP:LEAD is suppose to summarize his biography, it should include his most important accomplishment.  We remove mention of the game winner.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  07:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be mentioned in the lead - it could use some expasion to refelct that he was the team's leading scorer this season, and was a member of the championship team. However I do not really think the extranous details (date, game number, time in OT, position of planets etc) should be included. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game winner in the [[WP:LEAD]] 

message: hey I don't think his contract is 31 mil
his and toews combined is 31 million
can someone fix this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.55.21 (talk) 01:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I believe that was misreported. Kane and Toews signed identical five year, $31.5 million contracts. Someone got confused and thought that meant $31.5 million total.  Enigmamsg 01:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  contract 

message: Below is a copy of the second paragraph in the article.  The link for the year "2015" within the paragraph below directs to the 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs instead of the 2015 SC Playoffs.  The exact word that is linked incorrectly is denoted below with asterisks.
"Kane won his first Stanley Cup in 2010. He won his second Stanley Cup in 2013, and also became the first American forward to receive the Conn Smythe Trophy.[1] Kane won his third Stanley cup in ***2015*** as the Blackhawks defeated the Tampa Bay Lightning. Kane also represented the United States at the 2010 and 2014 Winter Olympics."
Grantolabar (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Cannolis (talk) 21:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2015 

message: IS it permissible to put the accuser's name in the article?  Since she has not been charged with a crime of false police report yet, do we need to wait?
Cavalierman (talk) 18:20, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source that verifies the name of Kane's accuser?  Most sources  will not disclose a rape victim's name until their assailant is convincited. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   20:47, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: User:StarScream1007But there is no "rape victim".  There is someone who made a false report of rape - a crime.  The victim is Kane.  My question is when can we name this person - her name was on the evidence bag during the press conference. 2605:E000:2150:7400:C41B:32:994D:2579 (talk) 21:11, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cavalierman The DA is investigating this matter and has never said the accuser made a false report of rape.  Furthermore, unless her name is reported in the media, it shouldn't be added here. GLG GLG (talk) 13:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

text: You wait. Period.  We do not speculate, we do not guess, and we do not act without reliable sources.  Especially when it pertains to WP:BLP. Resolute 18:44, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand, but it does not seem fair to me.  Kane is being made to be a villain, and by all accounts he is completely innocent of all charges.  He was doing nothing and his name is being smeared all over the press.  In the meantime someone is making false accusations but her name is being protected.  Does not make sense! Cavalierman (talk) 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly we don't know that "by all accounts he is completely innocent of all charges".  Nor do we know that a person is making false accusations.  Really, all we know is that he has been accused of a sexual assault, and that the accuser's mother is accused of attempting a clumsy hoax for reasons unknown. Everything beyond that is speculation. As far as fairness goes, this is an example of the dark side of fame.  Kane is a public figure, which is why the Buffalo News made this into a big story in the first place. Resolute 19:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusers name 

message: Patrick Kane is the fourth american player to win the Conn Smythe Thropy. The source marked with number 1 in the text is correct. But the text says he is the first american to win that thropy. It´s a minor edit. So it should be the fourth and not the first player shown in the text.
NHL Fan2100 (talk) 14:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I simplified it down to the fact that Kane won the Conn Smythe, as being the fourth do to something isn't terribly remarkable.  Thank you for catching that error! Resolute 15:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2015 

message: In the section about the recent rape investigation, next to the citation/source link for the DA's press release, please also provide citations for/links to the two 30-minute interviews the District Attorney gave regarding his reasons for declining to press charges. These interviews provide significant relevant information not covered by the press release alone.
The interviews can be found at http://www.wgrz.com/videos/news/local/2015/11/05/75224352/ (Part 1 of 3) and http://wivb.com/2015/11/05/full-interviews-paul-cambria-and-frank-sedita-speak-on-pat-kane-decision/
Xzandrax (talk) 15:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: These are not really reliable sources. Mdann52 (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2015 

message: Could you please edit the point streak records? It seems that you said that he tied it at 21 games and then broke it again at 21 games. Just a minor edit. Thank you!
Minicoop12401 (talk) 04:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Done. ty for the catch. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   14:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2015 

message: but he chose not to play for the Knights until the 2006–07 season.[4]    replaces incorrect grammar and spelling in Section Minor and junior 2nd paragraph that reads  but he did not choose to play for the Knights until the 2006–07 season.[4]
2601:C6:C201:88A7:C53E:FE20:8D4E:D882 (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Eteethan(talk) 17:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2015 

message: Just noting that regarding this edit by Nezi1111, I disagree with the heading change, per what I stated on my talk page; I stated, "I reverted you because I don't see where it's been confirmed that the rape accusation was a false rape accusation. I see speculation, but no confirmation. Therefore, I viewed your changing the heading to make it seem like the woman was lying as non-neutral. That the case was dropped, which doesn't mean 'innocent,' is already noted in the section. There is no need to bias the heading. [...] I'll leave a WP:Dummy edit note to alert editors to the fact that this topic has been discussed. Like I stated when reverting you, I came across that article via WP:STiki and I will not edit over it."
But I will go ahead and alert WP:Biography, WP:BLP and the WP:BLP noticeboard to this matter to see what other editors think. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: should we vote on it? Nezi1111 (talk) 03:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Votes are bad. How can this be worded in a neutral manner? He hasn't be found innocence nor was he charged, is that correct? --Malerooster (talk) 03:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the words "unproven" or "unsubstantiated" could help. The fact that the subject was not charged should be explained at the start, rather than buried deep in paragraph umpteen. I also wonder if this section could be shortened because the allegations didn't result in charges. Why all the long detail? Jehochman Talk 04:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As it stands, Kane did not face any criminal charges. His accuser can still potentially file civil charges against him. According to the Buffalo News, Kane's accuser has retained a personal injury lawyer. However, there have not been any updates within the past month. It might be best to follow Jehochman's suggestions and state in the first sentence or so that Kane did not face criminal charges. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   04:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And trim the backstory. He was accused. Prosecutor declined to prosecute due to inconsistent evidence.  If anything happens in civil course we can address it if and when.  Jehochman Talk 14:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  False rape accusation heading 

message: I have noticed there is now no mention his the previous rape investigation. Is this purposeful, or did someone remove it without proper reason to? Should we consider adding information about it again, or should we ommit it due to the fact that (I believe) no charges were officially filed.SecretName101 (talk) 18:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello SecretName101, please see the discussion directly above this one "Should the paragraph "Sexual assault investigation" be deleted?". This topic regarding Kane's sexual assault investigations was discussed in that section. I believe the decision to omit the content came down to Wikipedia:BLPCRIME and the fact Kane was never formally charged or had to pay any form of restitution. Thanks, --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   00:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, per the above IP's note that we mention the Kobe Bryant matter, and address similar cases like this, this is an issue that can be revisited. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:47, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. On one hand, I can see how it might seem unfair to mention an accusation that never advanced to formal charges. However, the absence of any mention comes-across as whitewashing. Kobe truly is the precedent I have been considering. To some individuals, it might even give the appearance of blatant racism if we give mention to the claims against Kobe but not Kane. SecretName101 (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If Kobe's page is wrong we should fix it, not make this one wrong to match. Jehochman Talk 10:51, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kobe was charged and then exonerated. That is different entirely. Jehochman Talk 10:53, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is different only in result.  And does not justify whitewashing this article. Resolute 19:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree, it does belong in the article as it was a major event to a notable person and is certainly whitewashing. -DJSasso (talk) 11:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rape investigation 

message: Valuable information to add to Mr. Kane's page. Thanks. Mweingarten (talk) 02:19, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:16, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2017 

message: I plan on adding more information about his personal life with working with others and one goal.Zachboss4 (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  editing 

message: I don't see how 2 sentences on the rape investigation (1 noting the investigation happened, 1 noting Kane wasn't charged) is considered undue weight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have  no problem with a two sentence section about the sexual assault investigation. There are a few other long discussions where other editors redacted the information per WP:BLP - something I do not have much experience with. I have no issues with your proposed inclusion given it's brevity. Would anyone else be against it? --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   18:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Pinging some editors who previously commented on this topic - , , , , , and . --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   22:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The fact is that it was not simply "no charges filed" but that there was a distinct possibility that "There are significant material inconsistencies between the complainant’s accounts and those of other witnesses." per cite.  This is a polite way of saying that the allegation may well have had zero factual basis ab initio, and thus is pretty much a non-starter for us to suggest that the issue of rape may have been properly raised.  Lots of people have "allegations" of all sorts of crimes, but unless the allegation is considered of sufficient weight and notability for that living person, it requires more than "it exists" as a reason for inclusion.  Any mentionshould absolutely require the "material inconsistencies" quote at the very least.  Collect (talk) 14:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The addition that was made was fine with BLP. It was a major event that did happen. The sentence doesn't claim the rape itself happened. To add something that was a significant part of someone's life that is neutrally worded is not in any way undue weight. If anything a single sentence is probably under represented. Too leave it out would actually be a fairly gaping hole that would be clear whitewashing. -DJSasso (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The article is still on my watchlist, but I'm not heavily invested in whether or not the rape allegation is mentioned. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rape investigation revert 

message: Currently there is no mention of the 2011-2012 season in the "NHL career" section of the article. This season was interesting in the career of Patrick Kane, in that he was often deployed as a center instead of a winger. It may be beneficial to mention this in a quick sentence or two. Below are some articles I found from the 2011-12 season discussing his move to center.
Article from Sept 25, 2011, (pre-season) discussing a potential move to center - https://www.nhl.com/news/blackhawks-considering-kane-at-center/c-589844
Article from December 1, 2011, (two months into the season) discussing his move back to right wing from center - https://www.espn.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/7303316/chicago-blackhawks-patrick-kane-moving-back-wing
Article from April 28, 2012, (after getting eliminated from the playoffs) discussing his inability to adapt to center - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1164752-chicago-blackhawks-will-patrick-kane-ever-adapt-as-a-center
A hockey-reference article showing that he took a total 569 faceoffs during the 2011-12 season, winning 240, and losing 329, for a 42.2 faceoff percentage - https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kanepa01.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeron Chair (talk • contribs) 19:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011-2012 Season - Played at Center 

message: Kane has a bronze medal in the Workd Championships also 2601:18F:902:3EB0:15FB:DE5E:9F89:9245 (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 22:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021 

message: === Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2023 ===
Change "is an American professional ice hockey right winger and alternate captain for the Chicago Blackhawks of the National Hockey League (NHL)."
to
is an American professional ice hockey right winger for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League (NHL). M42na42 (talk) 23:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 5:20 CT 2/28/2023  The trade is still unofficial. It's expected to happen, but neither the Rangers nor Blackhawks have officially confirmed any details. The article will be updated once there's an official announcement. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  23:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Already done The requested edit has been made per  with a source provided at . —Sirdog (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Kane to the Rangers Trade

message: Change "is an American professional ice hockey right winger and alternate captain for the Chicago Blackhawks of the National Hockey League (NHL)."
to
is an American professional ice hockey right winger for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League (NHL). M42na42 (talk) 23:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 5:20 CT 2/28/2023  The trade is still unofficial. It's expected to happen, but neither the Rangers nor Blackhawks have officially confirmed any details. The article will be updated once there's an official announcement. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  23:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Already done The requested edit has been made per  with a source provided at . —Sirdog (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2023 

message: Per numerous sources Patrick Kane has signed with the Detroit Red Wings. 2600:1009:B1CE:511E:D96E:8D9B:B7C6:D4BA (talk) 13:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 14:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2023 

message: Donnie Harkins recruited Patrick Kane, not Harkness.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/8896/don-harkins 24.29.198.11 (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As the late Rick James said, "Harkness! Harkness, everybody!" Good catch. It has been corrected. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donnie Harkins vs Donnie Harkness 

message: Add at the end of the first paragraph, something along the lines of "Kane has been lauded as one of, if not the greatest U.S. born hockey players to play in the NHL." 64.107.190.90 (talk) 15:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually five references to support this under the Player profile section. :) However, the sources usually say "one of the greatest", which seems neutral given he still trails Brett Hull and Mike Modano by most points by an American (technically only Modano, if you only count "American-born" players). --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  16:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2024