Talk:With Apologies to Jesse Jackson

message: It's Token. As in token black friend.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:9E8:9B30:C000:B13:B5AE:C0FE:32A8 (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Tolkien?

message: none of the listed are goofs. south park is a tv show. it is not supposed to be just like real life. a goof(i dont really think an encyclopedia should contain goofs, have you ever seen it in the britanica?) should be shit like cars being different colors in scenes and the like thanks
:Yeah, I'd have to agree with you; but you're gonna' have to take it here. ≈ The Haunted Angel 02:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: goofs

message: If there's a place that can find such records, I'm pretty sure this episode has used that word uncensored more than any other TV episode. PLEASE someone do some research.
Brilliant episode btw. Toastypk 03:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Though it's OR and I can't add it to the article, I find it funny that it's said 42 times, which just so happens to be the Answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything... Maged123 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not OR if someone finds site documenting such records, right? Toastypk 15:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can it be original research if everyone in the world can almost without effort verify what you're saying?--Roofle 16:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless Trey or Matt say anything, it's OR, plain and simple. Maged123 23:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm firmly sure that The Boondocks holds that record, but i'm not positive. --George The Man 18:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it's the episode Granddad's Fight, without counting the times when the word is displayed on-screen, this episode uses the word "nigga" 65 times — tops among first season episodes. I'm only guessing this is the most for a TV show. The only show i can imagine beating it would be Chappelle's Show, and that would have to be the first one, with Clayton Bigsby. --George The Man 18:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well dayyyam, I guess I was wrong. Toastypk 23:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A record "nigger" usage? 

message: When Randy is in the Laugh Factory it echos a scene from The Nutty Professor where the comedian on stage (in South Park it seems to resemble Dave Chappelle, who was actually in the movie) and instead of the fat jokes he uses the nigger guy jokes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.5.189.102 (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Nutty Professor joke? 

message: At the Cafe Viggo's (looks like Starbucks), Randy performs a poem that seems self-empathetic for his own kind. Speaking of how everyone has done wrong to him. Does that not seem like Benjamin Zephaniah?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.220.193 (talk) 01:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's a few poets who do that sort of trite stuff. Benjamin's just the most "famous" of them. I think Randy's poem itself was parodying that sort of thing. It was big in the 80s. That and the "words are bullets". Those wacky neo-cons! 92.40.253.245 (talk) 12:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  With refference to Benjamin Zephaniah? 

message: I think it should be noted in the trivia that the board at first is the "touch" one, that lights up blue and just requires a touch. However, when Randy solves the puzzle incorrectly, Vana turns the missing letter, which is what the old board was like. I just don't know how to word it all that correctly. 69.121.67.198 20:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who the hell cares?! --Simpsons fan 66 01:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one.  You've responded to a comment that is a year old. --Captain Infinity (talk) 01:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wheel of Fortune trivia 

message: How can this be:
Somewhat coincidentally, a video of Mr. Marsh saying "nigger" was released on Youtube and, in the week following, was one of the highest watched videos.
...when it's not the following week already?
Also: please point us to the video which is "highest watched" on youtube...
:The one I saw yesterday and downloaded is now off youtube because viacom sucks and doesn't want South Park things on youtube. Nethertheless, there's more up now. I doubt it's highly viewed. But it ending up on youtube to begin with was inevitable. Toastypk 17:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube 

message: In the cultural refferences section it says:"The episode draws parallels to the international incident created by the UK Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy". What is the basis for this cliam? the big brother UK scandal to my knowledge involved an indian housemate who accused some of the other castmates disparaging her indian backround and causing her distress. it does not seem remotely related to this episode. should we relate every instance of racial discrimination to this episode? i beleive it should be removed.70.51.112.179 04:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ok, some people just aren't very intelligent. Of course it's unrelated, I would be surprised if anybody in the States even heard of it considering how few people over here have heard of the Michael Richards incident. --JamesTheNumberless 16:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems neither of you are aware that Jade Goody USED Poppadom as a racial slur, "on national television", which pissed off a lot of the British public.  I don't think anyone can safely say Parker and Stone were writing with this in mind, but I don't think you can really say whoever put that up is "unintelligent".  I mean, I've heard so little about the US's reaction and influence to the Danish cartoons controversy compared to any other country, but that got mentioned in a South Park episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cyberdude93 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Draws parallels to the  UK Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy? 

message: Does anyone know what the point was of using "Down with the Sickness"?  I mean, if it was a recent song, I'd understand Matt & Trey wanting to put it in there somewhere coz maybe they're fans, but we're talking about something that was released seven years ago, so I'm thinking there might be something about the song that has something to do with the story or some of the dialogue.  Sure, it could be some random joke with no actual meaning, as such a thing isn't foreigh to South Park, but I'd like to know of there's an inside joke I'm missing.  Any insight would be appreciated. - Ugliness Man 04:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe they like the song. Professor Chaos 21:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it was used during a fight sequence in The One.  That might have something to do with it.  Or they've just gotten too lazy to write their own original music.Mustang6172 02:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kind of amusing how desperate some people are to find meaning and cultural reference in every aspect of every South Park episode. Trivia sections are often full of such tenuous speculation, my eyes don't stop rolling for weeks. --JamesTheNumberless 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disturbed 

message: I have removed the trivia section, added a new "continuity errors" section and removed the following points for now: 
*The episode was so controversial that it was featured on CNN. The episode is praised by some black viewers and groups for its representation of the discrimination blacks face at the hands of the N-word.
*The term "nigger" is used 42 times in the episode, all of them uncensored, except in the initial few runs' closed captioning, which changed every incidence of "nigger" to "n-word" or "n-guy", except Randy's original utterance of the word. Later runs had the captions uncensored.
Both these facts are interesting and are worthy of being put back into the article, but the first one needs some references, and needs to be more fleshed out (for instance, it would be good in a "Critical response" section) with other responses, while the second should be put somewhere else if it will go there. --El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 12:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The points are errors, but not continuity errors as such. How about changing the section title to "Goofs", in line with some of the other Southpark episode articles? Ayecee 13:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: "The episode was so controversial" sounds like a bit of a bold claim. Yeah it caused some controversy, but it seems like you are blowing it out of proportion. ArtimusClydeFrog 01:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed trivia section

message: My respect for other editors' contributions has been called into question, so I will attempt to explain why I rm the addition of "BINGO" as a relevant piece of trivia.  I have 3 reasons, although any one of which is valid for removal of the comment.
1) It doesn't fit the reality of the situation.  Randy is not playing Bingo; he is playing Wheel of fortune.  He's not spelling a word; he is guessing letters which he hopes will solve the puzzle.  The word he needs to spell is NAGGERS, Not BINGO.  The missing letter is not "I", it is "A".
2) You're projecting your impressions onto a pattern.  BNGO doesn't spell BINGO, it spells BONGO.  No, wait, it spells BANGO!  Or maybe Randy is trying to spell BUNGHOLE?  Nope, none of these is correct, because it's all coming out of thin air.  There is no BINGO.  You're seeing things and MAKING IT UP.  Which leads to point three:
3) It's ORIGINAL RESEARCH.  No citation has ever been supplied that shows Matt and Trey planned to spell BINGO, or any other word except NAGGERS and NIGGERS.  If anyone can provide a citation that says they planned BINGO then clearly the comment would be valid and should be included.  Until then, it's all speculation, it's a made up "fact", it's Original Research...and as such it has to go. Captain Infinity 09:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the "BINGO" speculation out of the article, unless someone in an official SPS capacity says it's legitimate.  It's original research, it's unverifiable, and it's unencyclopedic (like most of the "trivia" in these South Park articles). Professor Chaos 01:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BINGO 

message: Well, ficitional character Captain Infinity, it is about time that you finally explained 
yourself. I have added my opinion on March24th,  was later erased, and restored on March 
27th, was later erased and restored on March 31st. was later erased and  restored on 
April 2nd, was erased and later restored April 12th, was later erased and restored on
April 13th. Now once again erased.
As to the three points that your have advanced.
1) "not reality." Well let's take a look at the word play on the show. The entire
premise of the show is that a benign word (naggers) was confused with the malignant
"n word" The writers of the show did a brillient job of word play of finding a word
play that could result in that incorrect word 
2)"you are projecting your impressions on a pattern"  As to your statement that
BGNO does not spell BINGO . There is one letter missing from the final pattern.
That is the letter "I" On the show, once again the writers had brilliant word play.
There was only one letter missing from  the final clue  "N-missing letter-G-G-E-R-S. 
The letter "A" would have spelled the benign word "naggers"  The only letter missing
from "BINGO" would have added the letter "I" to spell that malignant word.
3)"It's not original research"  As I have previously said "Don't you have respect for
opinions from other contributers?" 100% of the contributions on Wikiepedia are
not just simply repeats (copy &paste) from other sources. The value of internet forums 
like this are the opinions of other people.
Let's let all the people look at this and decide for themselves whether or not
my opinions have any credibility.
:Your opinions do not matter in the least.  This is an encyclopedia, and it deals with facts, not opinions. You clearly do not understand Wikipedia's policy on Original Research.  I suggest you read Wikipedia:No original research.  If you continue to question my good faith edits I will have no choice but to bring this to a Request For Comment. Captain Infinity 21:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Claffey27, as can be seen by your edits, comments, lies and insults here, you obviously do not intend to contribute to Wiki in a helpful manner, but instead seek to cause disruption.  As such it is pointless to try to debate with you, and I will no longer try. Captain Infinity 16:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Claffey27, saying that your opinions don't matter in the least doesn't mean your edits don't matter in the least.  What it means is that your opinions or anyones opinions have no place in an encyclopedia, especially when states as if they were facts.  Saying that Matt and Trey used brilliant wordplay, whether true or not, is an opinion.  In my opinion, the only joke contained in those words was that you're supposed to think, as Randy did, that the word is "NIGGERS," and be surprised that it's "NAGGERS," but be kicking yourself for not seeing it.  "N" and "G" were necessary to set up the joke, "B" and "O" were throwaway letters because he needed to guess three consonants and a vowel.  Nothing more complicated than that.  That's just my opinion, however, and belongs here on the discussion page and not in the article, just like your longshot speculation about "BINGO."  Sorry, but that's the way it is.  Professor Chaos 01:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pro bingo 

message: *Sounds more like Matt Stone to me. -- Cyberspace 15:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But southparkstudios.com is more reliable than what something sounds like. --98E 21:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Nelson's voice actor 

message: Is the line that Cartman forces Dr. Nelson to say a reference to anything? The one about not going into the light? Mac OS X 19:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing cultural reference? 

message: Somebody put something like "call 179466843 now" or something and I just deleted it. I don't think phone numbers are a place for Wiki articles. Cheeze Master 17:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called "Spamming".  21:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Just got rid of this....

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Nelsonvscartman.jpg

message: In this episode, there is a shot of a newspaper with Randy Marsh "apologizing" to Jesse Jackson. Underneath that image, there is about 3 paragraphs of text that appear to come straight from the Jesse Jackson article.--Rockfang (talk) 07:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably not noteworthy, but... 

message: I guess you missed the point of the episode. I mean, its understood you're not saying it to be racist. You're just giving the word more power with your scare quotes and italics. On its own, without context, it has no power. Well, at least you're not saying n-word. Utils (talk) 13:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not like that consistently. I think nigger is only in speech marks when it's quoted (like saying, 'With five seconds to go he reluctantly answers "niggers" on live national television'). Later on in the article when we're just talking about the word itself, it's not in quotes. The italics are usually there to add more sense to the sentence, though. I think it could be easy to have a confusing sentence otherwise. I don't think anyone's doing it to avoid racism. — Richard BB 14:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are you people surrounding nigger in scare quotes or italics? 

message: Don't know if we saw the same epidode, but for me it looked more like "wholeheartedly". --79.214.51.206 (talk) 18:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   "he reluctantly answers" 

message: I noticed somebody edited the word "stupid" to read "s*****". This is an encyclopedia. Please refrain from doing this in the future. LegalUsername (talk) 13:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "s*****"