Talk:Chromatic button accordion

message: It might be nice to merge the bayan article into this one, as it is indeed a chromatic button accordion. It's just a Russian variant with some differences. It should be here as a subsection pointing out the differences between it and "regular" ones. Necz0r (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree with merge - sufficient differences for separate articles. FoolesTroupe (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge bayan to here? 

message: This article is definitely in need of a cleanup and an expansion. Necz0r (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's a mess. My heart aches every time I visit it. I want to fix it so bad, as soon as I have time. Necz0r (talk) 20:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Aren't the illustrations the wrong way around? ie. The one labelled c-system is actually b-system, and vice versa.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.20.94 (talk) 15:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrations 

message: I have added a skeletal History section, but I am having trouble expanding it due to inconsistency in the sources on when the first chromatic button accordion was built.
Most sources point to the schrammel accordion as being the precursor to modern CBAs, and a number of them point to the B-griff system as being the original. The schrammel accordion page claims (with no source) that it was first created in 1854, by Matthäus Bauer.
These sources (https://harmonikaverband.at/2018/08/10/175-jahre-accordion/ and http://www.accordions.com/types_chromatic.aspx) claims that it was first created in 1850 (or the 1850s) by Franz Walter.
This source (http://www.abarberena.com/acordi.html) claims that the first button accordion was created by Franz Walter in 1850 and copied by Matthäus Bauer in 1851, while listing 1854 as the year of the invention of the piano accordion.
This source (http://free-reed.net/history/classic2.html) claims that the 1850 invention was merely the introduction of chromaticism, and that the first CBA was built either in 1870 by Beloborodov or in 1891 by Mirwald; The German page on Bayan claims without a source Beledorov introduced the CBA into Russia in 1870 (Which implies it had existed before), and the Russian page on Bayan unclearly states (with a citation to a book) that an improvement was made by Mirwald in 1891, without making it clear if the chromatic keyboard was first introduced then.
It appears that there are several competing claims to the invention of the first CBA, that have somewhat mutated in details as they spread. Should a thorough and reliable published comparison of these claims not exist, I believe no further progress is possible without infringing WP:NOR.
Gravensilv (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found the book The Accordion in the 19th Century by Gorka Hermosa, which provides the pubished comparison needed. Gravensilv (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: In the lede the second sentence of the second paragraph states "On the other hand, some fingering positions require twisting of the wrist and the aspect of alternative fingering patterns may stunt one in sessions of difficult sight reading." (emphasis added) The phrase "may stunt one" is confusing. "Stunt" has two common meanings: (a) a difficult maneuver (such as an airplane might perform) or (2) to limit the growth or range of something (such as a plant). Is either of these meanings intended? Or something else? Can anyone clarify? Thank you. Bricology (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...may stunt one..."?