Talk:Axioupoli

message: In connection to the recent edit-war, I have to mention that Dinner for Three has a point. In a sentence mentioning historic names of a settlement (like the ones before the certain village and town was renamed) the wording Macedonian Slavic simply does not suffice for the period. Sources point to a Bulgarian name. The present-day language, dialects or whatever could be classified in any way, but the historic name was in Bulgarian. --Laveol T 09:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to this - the name was used by locals who emigrated to Bulgaria in the inter-war period. There was an official population exchange between the two countries in 1923 or 1924. So it is plainly wrong to put the name in the present-day dialogue and the context of the pretty one-sided section on Macedonian Slavic.--Laveol T 09:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the latest version and I hope that we can work from there. Lunch for Two (talk) 09:29, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let us start from here - is there a significant population of Macedonian Slavs or whatever the heck we should call them in the village as of now? --Laveol T 09:33, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Or in another words - is Macedonian Slavic spoken by a substantial portion of the population? --Laveol T 09:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I am aware the population of the village is comprised of Greeks speakers and Macedonian speakers, along with a smaller number of Aromanian speakers. According to this source there are Macedonian speakers living in Axioupoli . Lunch for Two (talk) 13:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked if there was a substantial portion of the population speaking the so-called Macedonian Slavic. How could you gather it from this source since it speaks of both languages simultaneously ([slavo-]macédonien/bulgare - how odd since such a formula was rejected here for a reason). It does not go as far as saying if there are a lot of them or a little of them. How do you know there are a lot of them? Cause if you do not know I will simply add the name in Bulgarian since sources say that the old Bulgarian name was Boymitsa. And that is it.--Laveol T 15:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The exact wording of the article is has no bearing whatsoever on the formula. One can assume that the proportion of people speaking Macedonian is significant for it to be mentioned alongside other places with large Macedonian speaking populations (Btw, it is a bit unreasonable to expect such detailed sources for every single village). I think a good comprise would be to put the Bulgarian name in the name section, yet have the Macedonian Slavic in the lead. Lunch for Two (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, a good compromise? You have no sources stating there are a substantial number of Macedonian-speakers there. Stating this based on no evidence is Original Research. And most probably they are not many since almost all the Slavic (Bulgarian) population fled to Bulgaria or participated in the exchange with Greece. Either provide a reliable resource backing up a Macedonian-Slavic name per MOS:PN and WP:PLACE, or I will proceed as already explained.--Laveol T 17:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Anything? --Laveol T 17:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You may have read my post here, you may have not. My computer at the moment is out of action due to a trojan virus (which, funnily enough, was caused by researching for Meliti, after clicking the "news article" which I was linked to). As a result, for the moment, my research abilities have been a bit limited. I am confident however that there is a Macedonian speaking population in the village. The euromosaic link reinforces the presence of Macedonian speakers, also Bulgarnation.com (although is not a reliable source) is generally accurate as to where Macedonians live and where they do not anymore (it also says that the village is mixed). I'm sure either Tasos Kostopolous' "The Forbidden language - State suppression of the Slavic dialects of Greek Macedonia" or Todor Simovski's "The Inhabited Places in Aegean Macedonia" would be a handy book to have in regards to this issue. Lunch for Two (talk) 05:28, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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