Talk:Banzai charge

message: I thought the term "Banzai charge" is a rather crude term to describe the Samurai version of "last stand".  Neither does it properly reflect the noble intent or the culture background of the concept, or the poetic effect of the actual term in Japanese.
In the link to Chinese and Japanes version, the article title was "Giyoku Sai", which translates to "Shattered Jade".  It is a term quoted from a Chinese Tang-Dynasty History book (I cannot find the translated name of the book).  The original phrase can be roughly translated to "A noble man would rather die as shattered jade, than to live like brick as whole."  Samurai used this passage as a analogy for ultimate sacrifice, to make a last stand in hopeless situation and fight to the last man.  Japanese media used this term in WWII for annoucing platoons that has made a last stand and was annilated.
I think maybe a change in the title and some content of the article would make this article more reflective to the concept and its cultural roots.  I believe the title "Gyokusai" would be more appropriate for the article. We can include the "Banzai Charge" as the term used by western nation (since it originated from observing the Japanese warcry during suicide charge).
Personally, I won't make any immediate change to the article yet, instead I'll wait for any response/suggestions from the watchlist.
Maximilius
I agree - it does sound a bit crude. In reading this article, it's clear that the term "Banzai charge" is a Western concept, yet this is readily acknowledged under the "Etymology" heading. I'd prefer having this article be rerouted to the original meaning.
Erikkukun 01:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the poetic effect... you japanophile kids, i don't see the poetry of a suicide attack, i'm sure you won't see the palestinian kamikaze as poets nor the september 11 as a cute act of poetry do you. Cliché Online (talk) 09:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Term

message: I take issue with the statement "In hindsight, such an act of heroism is worth crediting but at the same time, it is also viewed as a terrible waste of soldiers and a highly ineffective way of manpower management during wartime."  The first part especially seems based entirely in opinion. -Elmer Clark 03:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Others noted the article appeared translated from the Japanese. My father described that in the aftermath of a true Banzai attack, they found the soldiers had no rations or spare ammunition on their persons and the goal was death before dishonor. Bayonets and grenade launching blanks (wooden bullets) were used in Banzai attacks. There were other mass attacks that failed but the soldiers were well supplied and it seemed victory was their goal. --Naaman Brown (talk) 03:15, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe this is correct. A banzai charge was conducted by desperate men for the express purpose of achieving an honorable death on the battlefield -- there was no real expectation of victory. It was "suicide by Marine." --Yaush (talk) 18:43, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: The final sortie of the Yamato and her escorts off Okinawa could be viewed as a seaborne equivalent, although it could also be argued that a closer naval equivalent was the battleships Fusō and Yamashiro assaulting a line of Allied battleships and cruisers during the Battle of Surigao Strait. Staygyro (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Equivelant? Battle of Surigao Strait? 

message: In the intro it says this:
:The name Gyokusai (Japanese: 玉砕, honourable suicide; literally "jade shards") [...]
But in the Etymology section that follows it says this:
:Gyokusai (玉砕?), literally "shattered jewel" [...]
Which is correct? I hope someone can correct this for consistency. --B.Rossow · talk 14:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation for consistency? 

message: Are we really using fiction as reference now? Christ, wikipedia, you keep shooting yourself in the gnads.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.77.87 (talk) 03:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cryptonomicon? 

message: This article seems to describe the Japanese powers that be (or were) at the time as pretty Machiavellian. This seems to peak with "...that was later misused by Japanese military governments." Is this necessary? Filling in all those "citation needed"s might be the answer. AngusCA (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV problem: too judgmental 

message: Looks like someone edited this with a large quantity of text translated from Japanese. Someone with knowledge of the historical background needs to edit it for readability, because right now it's a soup of Engrish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.233.250.188 (talk) 15:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad translation

message: Why is there a photo of the aftermath of a kamikaze attack on the Bunker Hill? The article is about Banzai charges.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.48.7 (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper photo

message: Banzai charge is a bayonet attack. They were commonly used until the  20th century and even then they were used in the Israeli war of independence and the Korean war successfully. 
BernardZ (talk) 14:06, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: bayonet charges

message: This article looks like a bunch of WP:Original research, and should be rewritten -- with references  Geo Swan (talk) 09:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

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