Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 2

message: I have completed this article on the Louise-Schroeder-Gymnasium, translating it from German into English. Feedback welcome WilliamH 20:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louise-Schroeder-Gymnasium 

message: School is this week's COTW. Davodd 03:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[School]] stub in need of your help 

message: The majority of the general information section of this article appears to be a direct copyvio of  . Since this isn't the only information on the article page I'm not exactly sure how to handle it. Slapping a copyvio tag on it seems to be overkill, but just removing the information alltogether would leave the article rather short and confused.
I'd appreciate if someone from this project could take a look at it. -- Hirudo 14:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For copyright violations like that, its best to promptly remove all the bad text, regardless of how short it makes the article.  --Rob 17:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tonbridge School]] 

message: Hi. I've just received a message on my talk page about my reinstating some controversial information from to the Presbyterian Ladies' College, Perth, article about a once off incident where students attempted to sell homemade porn. I have now removed the information and placed it on the article's talk page. Could I please have the opinions of some school related editors about whether this information should be included in the article? Blarneytherinosaur 13:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's not verifiable, it doesn't belong. -- Usgnus 15:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That depends what you call verifiable. There was some media coverage at the time, but the only source I can find is [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991640/posts this] which was already in the article. It is a post from Free Republic, an online forum, with a copy of a report from the West Australian newspaper. I'm currently chasing up an opinion about whether this is a reliable source at Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources Blarneytherinosaur 01:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Presbyterian Ladies' College, Perth

message: Hi, this article has been put up for peer review here with a few to improve it to FA standard. It recently failed as a FAC, althought he article has been improved since then. I would very much welcome the thoughts of anybody invovled in this Wikiproject. --Wisden17 18:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Grammar School Worcester 

message: A disambig page was created a few days ago for Lynbrook High School.  There's one in New York and one in California.  The original Lynbrook article was California's, so that was moved to Lynbrook High School (California) and a disambig listed the links for it and the New York school.  However, the New York school does not have a school article, just an article on the town.  Now User:Milpitas guy came along and changed the page back to a non-disambig saying "(just add a disambig message, no need for Lynbrook High School (California))" and added a disambig message saying "There is also a Lynbrook High School in Lynbrook, New York."
What would be the best solution here?  Keep it the way that Milpitas guy has made it because of the lack of article on the New York school?  Change back to a disambig and hope someone makes an article on the NY school?  Metros232 23:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Lynbrook High School should definately be changed back to a disambig page.  Otherwise, we're going to have people making accidental links to the wrong school.  It doesn't sound like the California school is world famous, which is what it would have to be to justify the unqualified name. --Rob 00:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lynbrook High School]] 

message: Is there someplace where we can put a brief explanation of school terms for our international community? I've noticed frequent misunderstandings due to words meaning totally different things to Americans than they mean to anyone from the UK or any English-inspired school system:
*"Grammar school"
::US: means grades 1-6, same as primary or elementary school
::UK: secondary school, grades 7-12 (or "Forms" 1-6, a terminology which also mystifies most Americans)
*"College"
::US: means the undergraduate program at a university
::UK: secondary school again
My understanding is that in English usage these terms both refer to what Americans might call a Prep (for College Preparatory) School, i.e. a school for students who are university-bound, as opposed to one for those who will enter the working world, but I could be mistaken. I don't know the distinction between the two terms. Most Americans use the term "high school" for grades 9-12 regardless (7-8 are "middle school" or "junior high school").
Maybe somewhere, we could set up a brief explanation of terms, but where? Fan1967 18:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of terms 

message: I was just updating my school's page - and i've now got a header at the top of the page saying the article reads too much like an advertisement...how do I go about remedying this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.11.52 (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highgate School 

message: is creating a great many stubs for high schools. Many of the stubs are only one line long. I'm tempted to  them, as these sub-stubs aren't really any more helpful than redlinks. However, I'm not interested in fighting AfDs over them, so I thought I would let you see what you can do with this user first. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 16:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say leave a note on his talk page asking him to stop citing the rules on the project page that discourage the addition of mass amounts of stub length school articles.  See if that'll make the user stop, then at least there won't be more created and we can work with the ones s/he already created.  Metros232 16:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody did back in April, and I just asked him to at least put stub templates on them. I'll post the rule as you suggest. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 16:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I just saw the note from April.  Maybe explaining it with the rules would help better.  I just hope it doesn't discourage the user from doing work related to schools because a lot of what s/he is doing is a lot of the minor work that needs to be done: labeling articles as stubs as necessary and slotting them in the right "Schools in..." categories.  Metros232 16:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I pointed the editor to your project page, and I've added stub templates to some recent creations, but I haven't gone very far back (he did seem to be stubbing articles for schools in other states, it's Florida schools that I had to fix). I'm not into school articles (although I have List of high schools in Florida on my watch list), so I just wanted to alert you all to this, to do with it what you want. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 17:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some guidance needed 

message: We have way too many infoboxes for different types of schools.  We should select one of the school infoboxes, improve it to include all possible school information, convert articles using the other infoboxes to use our one template, and nominate the unused templates for deletion.  I don't know how to program templates, but I cosider the whole "free tag" thing to be bad design.  We should add many categories that dissapear if not used.  If we get a single template that we all agree on, I would help convert articles using the other templates to our standard template. --Phantom784 18:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we not set up a poll for the best looking ones? --Tanner65 02:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No single infobox is comprehensive.  Even if we do select a best infobox, it'll need to be expanded to include fields that the other infoboxes offer but it doesn't.  I used  for my school's page (Greensburg Central Catholic) because it seemed like the best, but that is missing fields good for private schools, like tuition.  Prehaps, however, we should have two infoboxes, one for schools and one for school districts.  --Phantom784 19:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes need to be standardized 

message: There was stuff on here going back to 2004 so I archived... I was having trouble contributing to the talk sections. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 1
Sorry that I'm not a regular at this project but it needed doing.Garrie 03:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: Chaminade-Madonna College Preparatory School
Would appreciate it very much if more known of this school.
Please no Vandalism.--ThanosMadTitan23 03:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School In Need of Expansion 

message: Yesterday someone has spent a lot of effort adding names of staff and prefects to the article on their school King Edward VI Aston. Is there any guidance on what should be included regarding current staff and students? Perhaps an article that could be pointed to when trying to discourage it, or a template to include (eg. ".... please do not include deteils of people unless they are already notable outside the school ....")? I am sure this must be a common occurrence. Am I over-reacting?
As a contributor to the article I am not sure I can make an un-biased decision to boldly wield the eraser.  Is there someone with experience in this who can tactfully sort this out (if it needs sorting)? It seems a shame to remove all that work. Thanks. Oosoom 09:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a discussion about this in the archive Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools/Archive_1#Lists_of_staff.  It's pretty much the same principles of notable alumni.  Administration (headmaster/principal) type positions can be named, but otherwise, follow the same conventions as adding alumni.  Metros232 11:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that reference. It's a shame there isn't a short statement in an article, or a template to warn against the listing of non-notable people that will always occur in school articles. It must be very common.  Oosoom Talk to me 12:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I haven't found it all that common with articles I've dealt with.  The only ones I have are the kids who add themselves.  "Jason Duntz, coolest kid in the world, class of 2006!"  That kind of thing.  Metros232 12:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School vanity? 

message: * Spring Lake High School
This page has been PROD'd as having too little content. It lacks even the "3 or more full and complete sentences of verifiable, factual information" that was in the WP:SCHOOLS proposal. I didn't find much of interest about it on the web. There doesn't appear to be much information of interest on the net regarding this institution. I'm not sure this article has the potential to ever be more than a stub, so perhaps it should be deleted or merged? What do you think? — RJH (talk) 15:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a little searching and came up with a bit of information that I added to the article.  If anyone thinks that's enough, they can deprod it, if not, keep expanding it.  Metros232 16:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The school also has pretty good test scores compared to the state average, but I'm having difficulties finding a source from the MI DOE.  So far the best I've got is the Great Schools profile .  Is this a good enough source, or should I keep trying to find a DOE official report?  Metros232 16:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School PRODs 

message: Are Allen East and Allen East High School the same? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ohio High Schools

message: At Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/High_schools there's a list for each state of all the high school articles that are missing.  If you go through the lists, there are some that are active links.  What I'm doing is checking and removing all the active links so that the page only reflects red-linked schools.  If anyone is willing to help, it'd be appreciated (it's going to be a long task I'm sure).  If you do it, don't just blindly remove active links, some of them might be for the wrong school (for example, on the Alabama page, one of the active links was Chelsea High School. It appeared active, but it's really for a school in Michigan).  So what I'm doing is moving those to something like Chelsea High School (Michigan) and naming it Chelsea High School (Alabama).  Then, eventually, I'll go back and create the dab page.  Metros232 23:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I just did this for all high schools in Oregon. It was a pretty fun two hours. --Liface 23:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been working on Kansas and Missouri. Might start Oklahoma next. :-) --JustAGal 21:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing high school articles clean-up 

message: * Faith Christian School (Rocky Mount, North Carolina) - 2006-07-21: Needs expansion to avoid delete or AfD.
* Eagle High School - 2006-07-25: "Wholly contentless; nothing but a phone book entry and an ugly list of afterschool clubs".
* Moniteau High School - 2006-07-25: "Non-notable." Current article is only one sentence, so I agree. :-)
* St. fidelis college - 2006-07-27: Small catholic school in India. Looks like a dup. of St Fidelis College, Lucknow, but the later exerts some notability.
* St. Charles West High School - Pretty weak article, but it was PROD'd on the same day as it was created. Sheesh. :-) So I removed the PROD to allow for growth. RJH (talk)
* Kimball High School - Disambiguation page. It's listed as nn, but the problem is that none of the school pages exist.
* Somerville High School (Massachusetts) - Listed as nn, but in reality it's just too brief. — RJH (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary School PRODs

message: I have de-transcluded this from Wikipedia:Watch, as there was no commentary/objection on either talk page for several days. Seeing this WikiProject, that page may be entirely superfluous in any case now, and you may want to merge any valid information from there to here. It was taking up more than half of WP:W with specialized-interest deletion/improvement notifications. Thanks. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch 

message: I wanted to add an infobox to the page fo Lady Margaret School but, although I know most of the information, I couldn't figure out how to add it to the box. Could anybody either help me or, if I tell them the info, add it for me. Thanks --Sarahmbj 14:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I seem to be the only person I have found in (non-urban) Missouri who is editing high school Wikipedia articles. I first created an article for my own school, and then began to work on articles for other schools as well. If there are any other Missourians here, let me know if you'd be willing to help me work on the Missouri high school pages. I would consider using one (maybe two) standard infoboxes, and just going down lists by county and updating old pages/stubs, creating new pages for schools that you are willing to research, and Wiki-fying some of the pages that are just blocks of text. I would eventually like to see a basic, roughly guidelined template that does not emphasize only sports, as Jefferson City High School does, but one that includes a mix of academics and sports, more like South Callaway High School (but perhaps with a bit larger sports section). By the way, I have worked on both of those linked pages above, SCHS is my school, and JCHS is one that I Wikified earlier today. These pages would be almost like a joint collaboration of the Missouri and Schools WikiProjects, since many HS pages have been added to the MO Project as well. --Genius00345 04:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missouri High Schools 

message: This is, um, a hate page.  It's not got anything to do with the school.  The headmaster is John Stoer, not David Sneddon, etc etc.  The previous articles are fine until 00:21, 16 August 2006, afterwhich the vandalism is obvious —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.27.210 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 September 2006   (UTC)
:Thanks for spotting it and bringing it up!  It does look like the page was vandalized a few days ago.  I have gone ahead and reverted to the Aug 26. version, which appeared to be the last good faith edit, and warned the folks who vandalized it.  There edit on the 26th seemed to be in good faith, but uncited and possibly pov.  I added a  tag to the paragraph.  I have also added the page to my watch list; so hopefully we can catch the vandals in the future a bit faster.  Thanks again, --TeaDrinker 20:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[St. Aloysius' College, Glasgow]] 

message: This is a template, used for jurisdictions with elem, middle, and high schools.  It lets the user switch between the three different categories, for any given jurisdition.  See :Category:High schools in Alberta for an example.  Another user feels this creates bad articles, by the links to the elmen and middle school category.  I consider useful navigational tool.  Outside opinions are welcome at :Template talk:Schools in jurisdiction (I'm putting the message here, as I doubt many have the template on their watch list).  Personally, I think the other editors removal of two of three links, is worse than deletion.  --Rob 02:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Schools in jurisdiction]] 

message: What does everyone think of the St. Augustine's College (Brookvale) article? This article has been improving considerably over the past months and I would appreciate any critique and tips on how myself and other contributors can add to the article. I hope it can eventually end up as a GA or even a FA in the future. Cheers. Mitch119 12:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[St. Augustine's College (Brookvale)]] 

message: Hello, As a respectful courtesy to the WikiProject I would like to propose the following to you, rather than doing this on my own.  I would like to propose that the userbox  be modified to categorize into :Category:WikiProject Schools members (which would need creating), rather than having it directly in :Category:WikiProject Schools, which could then be the parent of the "members" category.  I believe that this would be more consistent with other WikiProjects and will make your categorization tree more usable. Regards --After Midnight 0001 17:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing no objection, I have made this change. --After Midnight 0001 02:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox change 

message: Most of the information about the school's curriculum appears to me to be of interest only to current or prospective students and is much too detailed for an encyclopedia article. I've already edited it to remove disparaging comments about the school's recruitment policies. Would anyone care to take a look? Gimboid13 10:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Australian International School Hong Kong]]

message: It seems to me that including the names of current students of a high school tends toward invading the privacy of minors. . Is there a consensus about this? -Will Beback 01:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right, for what it's worth. Better to be safe than sorry. Acdixon 14:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Notable current students should not count when it comes to grade schools, maybe even colleges.  When we talik about notability, we don't mean the big man on campus, as we all know this means nothing outside of a campus, by notability, we mean someone who attended this school and then went on to be a household name, or noteworthy name in an interntionally recognized, or rather popular field, like a celbrity, or scientist, as an adult.  Being the big man on campus today does not make you encyclopedic, no matter what article. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 16:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the examples I've seen there is little question that the people are notable, either due to being child actors or having been involved in nationally-reported incidents. They generally have articles of their own. The issues isn't about notability, but about how much personal information we should include about minors. We wouldn't include their home address, and I don't think we should include their current school either. -Will Beback 21:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable current students