Talk:Body and Soul (1947 film)

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Body and Soul 1947 movie poster.jpg

message: Since it is considered one of the greatest sports film of all time more should be added to this article. The plot should be expanded, information on the film's production should be added and expanded, and some interpretations on the film from film historians should be added as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: The current version of the article states that this is considered the "first great boxing movie".  I don't doubt that it is considered a great movie and it was named greatest boxing film in 2014, etc.  However, where's the support for this being the FIRST great boxing movie?  Who called it that, what movies was s/he comparing it to, and did it inspire or lead to the second, third, etc.  "great boxing movie"?  I added a "by whom" tag because the claim that it's "considered the first great boxing movie" really needs more support or an attribution. 
As an example, see this list of the "top 25 boxing movies of all time".  http://www.best-sports-movies.com/boxing.html The Champ (1931), Gentleman Jim (1942), and Kid Galahad (1937) are all ranked higher than Body and Soul which didn't come out until 1947.  I also think there's a case to be made for Golden Boy (1939) although perhaps that could be dismissed as based on a play or not really about boxing.  Point is - there were a lot of boxing movies prior to 1947 and some of them were pretty great, so if you can't find some support for the "first great boxing movie" statement then it should be taken out. TheBlinkster (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First great boxing movie" ? 

message: Right now the 2nd paragraph seems to be written by someone who has never seen the movie or has and just intentionally  made up the material on Wikipedia.
How about you have someone watch the movie and see if it can be written objectively.
This is just another example of lack of reliability of Wikipedia. Wikipedia used to be an excellent resource.
It has deteriorated to where facts are a rarity, and hence the reason why I stopped donating money to them for many years. The fact that this done over a 1947 movie is chilling when you think what has been twisted in real world events.
The paragraph in question as written on Wikipedia as follows:
” When talented fighter Ben Chaplin finds himself blacklisted from a title shot because of his race, Davis hires him as a well-paid sparring partner. Davis begins to have a moral awakening when Chaplin has a seizure and dies in the training camp ring”.
Ben Chaplin was not blacklisted from a title shot. Let alone anything racial. What is even more ridiculous with the existing Wikipedia paragraph is that Black fighter Ben Chaplin is the world champion boxer of that weight division. He is the champion. Due to pressure, by the corrupt mob threatening his manager, Ben Chaplin agrees to defend his title on his own accord even after being told he was risking his health if he tried to fight again due to an injury sustained in his last fight. Chaplin fights and loses to Davis.
Davis does NOT hire him a as a well paid sparring partner. Davis gets upset
 after fight when he finds out the mob controlled Chaplin knew how seriously was injured as did Chaplin.
Davis keeps taking care of and paying Chaplin money to do small work in his training group for years after winning the title from Chaplin. They also are very close. Chaplin never sparred for Davis or anyone as Davis and Chaplin knew any contact such as that from sparring could result in his death.
In fact Davis, who is retains Chaplin for years is going to use his personal money earned from betting his prize money from his upcoming last fight to pay to get Ben Chaplin medical help.
Seriously, the author of the above chapter has never seen the movie, but it is apparent they DID watch the movie and intentionally make this up.
I find that someone would distort a 76 year old movie by writing something so unrealistic is appalling and devious, and is baffling where anyone can even pretend this was the script. 2603:6081:5703:F09B:DD48:659A:1537:B62C (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The description of the movie is laughable for being so inaccurate