Talk:Spouse or partner of the prime minister of Australia

message: Then why does this page exist? We should keep the Category but delete this page. (There's only 7 of these women in the category anyway. That hardly warrants a list.) If people want to know their names they won't navigate here, they'll go to the relevant PM's page and look in the info box. Nick 03:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prime Minister's spouse has no official duties 

message: The spouse of the Prime Minister of Australia is a position that has been occupied only by women to date LOL funny stuff Timeshift (talk) 04:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, there's a more up-to-date and free PM+spouse image on John Howard if anyone wants to change it. Timeshift (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP throws up some bizzare articles at times... :-/  Shot info (talk) 05:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First time i've seen this page 

message: To the best of my knowledge, and despite the Australian media assuming they have a de facto partnership, Tim Mathieson does not live with Julia Gillard. Which means he's not a spouse, nor a de facto partner, nor a domestic partner.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.218.18 (talk) 03:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read that he tends to be at her house for the 5.30am (sometimes 4.30am) blow wave. Maybe he just gets up really early at his bachelor's abode and drives to her place. Seriously, I think some people are really struggling trying to apply outdated societal values to this relationship. just accept it and move on. HiLo48 (talk) 03:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I may have been mistaken. According to this article http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/article521036.ece/First-Bloke-is-right-companion-for-Australias-No-1-redhead (more recent than what I'd read previously), they share a house in Melbourne. Assuming it's accurate, they must have moved in together fairly recently. Not that it matters; I don't know why I'm even discussing this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.218.18 (talk) 04:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The whole article is a synthesis of facts, which synthesis is only marginally supported by reliable sources, so whether someone by original research has decided Mr Matheson qualifies as a "spouse" or not doesn't really add or subtract from the quality of the article. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 21:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Domestic partner'? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: May I propose to add a new section "Spouses by Age" KILLERXR (talk) 05:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? How does that assist the project? WWGB (talk) 06:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

text: So that we can know that the living spouses had already surpassed the ages of those who died before them KILLERXR (talk) 09:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding new section 

message: I have tried to add to the Others section the fact that Keating has been, since 1998, in a long-term domestic partnership with Julieanne Newbould, but have been inexplicably reverted twice by . It was cited, in an argument about relevance, that Gorton’s second marriage was not included - which makes zero sense as the same section explicitly makes reference to Gorton’s marriage to Nancy Home from 1993. Furthermore, we’ve included other long-term domestic partnerships such as Tim Mathieson (though in his case Gillard was in office at the same time). I see absolutely no issue or harm with including a reference to a domestic partnership that has lasted for nearly a quarter century in the appropriate section, and it comes off as obtuse and inflexible to dismissively revert it and remove any reference to it. TheScrubby (talk) 05:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , despite the incivility. WWGB (talk) 06:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Others section 

message: Haydon does not live in the Lodge and works full time in Sydney. The current article does not account for this as EVERY single other domestic partner of ANY PM in history has actually lived together. I would like to rewrite a section about this as the article currently says...
"By convention, the spouse of the prime minister serves as the host of The Lodge and Kirribilli House, the official residences of the prime minister and also assists the prime minister in welcoming foreign dignitaries to Parliament House and various other locations during ceremonial events" Haydon does none of this and she works fulltime in Sydney. Therefore how does Haydon do all of the things in this article that defines who a partner is? Cruiseoutbreak (talk) 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, this ongoing saga is becoming very tiresome. You are a single-purpose account whose sole focus since joining Wikipedia three weeks ago has been a fixation with the Albanese-Haydon living arrangements. Haydon has certainly joined Albanese at "various other locations during ceremonial events". She will not be the first SPPMA to reside outside Canberra (see Elizabeth Chifley). Perhaps Haydon will spend most weekends at The Lodge. Who knows? Who cares? It remains to be seen how, when and where Haydon will assist Albanese, who is only two months into a three-year term. WWGB (talk) 04:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If Albo did what every Liberal PM since Howard has done, and lived in Kirribilli House, Haydon COULD live with him in Sydney and still do her job. WWGB is right. This really is a silly debate. HiLo48 (talk) 05:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No WWGB you are way too involved in this emotionally. You are showing POV. Yes I've only edited this article and Haydon's but there is no policy i can see which says an editor cannot edit only a particular topic. I'm not edit warring and am trying to discuss these issues with other editors. Albo and his new girlfriend Haydon were not living together when they were in the same city even so yeah it matters as this article is about genuine committed domestic partnerships of each PM. You've also dodged my issue here with this section and instead have just unilaterally put your own little version of text and POV as to how YOU want the article to read. Which is very tiring indeed. Cruiseoutbreak (talk) 06:48, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "this article is about genuine committed domestic partnerships of each PM". According to whom? WWGB (talk) 07:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are quite correct that you don't have to contribute to more than one article, but, as a new contributor, you don't have a good understanding of our policies. In particular your arguments are about whether Jaydon is or isn't in a certain type of relationship. This is not the point of this Talk page to determine "the truth" of the matter. It is about how to progress the article in accordance with our policies. The relevant policy in this conversation is the policy of Neutral point of view, which is why we do not have to decide what the relationship between them is or isn't. It is our job to provide the reader with the information for them to make up their own minds using reliably-sourced material. We have reliable sources describing them as "partners", Haydon accompanying Albo to Europe, etc, but we also have sources indicating they don't live together. So long as this is all provided to the reader, we have done our job. Some people will read the information and say to themselves, as you do, "I don't think she's really his partner", others will think "it's a bit unusual but relationships are pretty different these days" or whatever. What we cannot do is omit her as clearly some sources do regard her as his partner, but equally we have to provide the information that makes some people question the nature of the relationship. Kerry (talk) 02:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Haydon does not live in the Lodge with Albo and works full time in Sydney