Talk:Bra Boys

message: The claim that this gang "sparked" the race riots was quite rightly removed... however something still needs to be said about their role in the whole affair, with reference to media reports and other sources... anyone game?--Russell E 06:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Race riots

message: Can someone from Australia perhaps write a little article about the history and concept of a surfer gang itself. It is an interesting novelty for the rest of the world. Tfine80 03:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Surfer gang]] 

message: This article was recently created. I was just wondering if anyone here knows anything about the "Bah Boys". Are they real? Or did the user who created the article confuse the "Bra Boys" for the "Bah Boys"? Thanks - Akamad 06:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, it seems the article has been deleted. - Akamad 10:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bah Boys 

message: I just removed the following:
:Traditionally those in the group shared a similar demographic: low socioeconomic class, and a high unemployment rate. 
:Domestic violence, drug, and alcohol abuse are still commonplace today. With proximity to the coast and the glamour of the beach lifestyle, surfing and the companionship of other youth in similar situations has thus been a natural escape. However, the Bra Boys still to this day have a longstanding reputation for asserting weak standover tactics against many individuals and small groups. This intimidating behaviour (seen amongst most gangs) has not only been reported at Maroubra Beach but also at many other surfing spots up and down Australia's east coast. It is this aspect of the Bra Boys which has earned them great disfavour amongst the majority of Australia's surfing population.
It was unsourced and for assertions so extreme one is needed at least. Feel free to add it back if you have reputable references. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 17:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These idiots are lucky they haven't faced a sniper attack from shore... yet.  I'm sure they'd make good shark meat out there bobbing up and down bleeding to death in the water.  Staking out territory and claiming it as your own without any right to do so has led and will always lead to violence.  They are dead men.  I'd like to see these morons try to pull this on an American beach nowadays.  They'd all be shot to death by now.  Those little Napoleons are lucky to still be alive.  Little loser babies splashing in their bathtub get angry when adults take away their play toy.  Can't wait to see it soon.  Losers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.117.134.180 (talk) 11:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just removed... 

message: The Bra Boys are named after the suburb Maroubra and not the Board Riders Association. This was confirmed by Koby and Sunny on Triple J's breakfast show 'Myf, Jay & the Doctor' on the 7th March 2007. 
I think some people may read into things a bit too far sometimes. Seperx 20:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name 

message: I actually read the links that were provided in the documentary section.  One quote was missing, and one was completely out of context (I mate notes in the discusion page).  I deleted both, and rewrote the remaining which is linked to David&Margaret  Disco 04:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doco 

message: In the interests of balance, there needs to be more detail on the history of the gang's violence, alleged and proven. Particularly the cowardly and extremely violent attack by three Bra Boys in 2002 on father Jeremy Nunes, who was carrying his five-week-old Elizabeth Nunes in Maroubra. The baby girl suffered head injuries in the attack, which caused intracranial bleeding and seizures. The attack was over a stolen mobile phone, but it was a case of mistaken identity. and there's no mention of Koby's charged for assaulting an off-duty police officer in Hawaii. There are other example which have been before the courts. It's important not to lose sight of what the gang's violence means for its victims. Nomenklatura44 (talk) 03:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PLease see our policies on WP:NPOV. Neutral point of view is "neutral". Words such as "cowardly" (judgemental) and "extremely" (unqualified superlative) are simply not neutral. If you have suitable Reliable sources that document these events, please feel free to add details yourself, but please bear in mind a "just-the-facts" style of writing is more preferable for an encyclopedia. We certainly don't want to whitewash this group, but we also do not want to demonize them either. --ZayZayEM (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I removed the tag because the dispute appeared to be over something that was not neutrality. (ie. comprehensive-ness). I will not remove it again until this dispute is resolved.--ZayZayEM (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence and alleged violence 

message: "Alleged" is used to describe "harassment of girls by Middle Eastern men" because this is not a proven fact. It is very hard to prove harassment without direct evidence (ie. video footage of the event).
The lifesaver bashing is a separate event. A lifesaver was quite obviously bashed, by someone. If editors feel that the statement in the article implies that the bashing of the lifesaver was also by Middle Eastern men, then it also needs to be described more ambigiously, as the identity of the culprits nor their ethnicity (as far as I am aware) have not been proven, despite widespread allegations.
"Alleged" in this context is not being used in a weasely way, as I see it. Weasely would be if it was being used in a way to identify the suspect's ethnicity in a situation that would not warrant it (i.e. "Middle Eastern men" would be the issue, not alleged).--ZayZayEM (talk) 11:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of word 'alleged' 

message: I just checked back in on this article - someone had removed part of the section the Cronulla riots, and had changed the verdict in Koby's trial for perverting the course of justice to "not guilty" instead of "guilty". Nomenkultura44 (talk) 05:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisions 

message: Best thing about these pussies was watching them back down like cats when the REAL gangsters showed up. Funny as hell watching that Sunny Abberton clown tongue the arsehole of that Lebbo Commanchero leader. You could smell the fear through the television. "We got no problem with middle eastern people"... Yet we'll make comments about how the beach should primarily be for 'Aussies' (I assume they're talking Aborigines here, right? No?).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.217.166 (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  addendum 

message: I added the diputed and non-neutral POV tag back in January. I am now happy that the article is on the whole a lot more balanced. If anyone objects to this you are welcome to add them again, and we can discuss the issue again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nomenklatura44 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of disputed tags 

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