Talk:Habbo/Archive 5

message: I added the  template to the article because I believed that the TOC created too much whitespace. It has been removed again, but this time before adding it back in again, I would like to hear some discussion about the pros and cons of the template and pros and cons of just the normal TOC and its whitespace. —Spebi 05:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a poor hack that should rarely be used. This article has about the same amount of whitespace next to the TOC as any other half-way decent article. If readers don't like this much whitespace here, they can easily just click hide. Unless an article has an enormous TOC (some articles have TOCs with 50 items), there's no reason to use it. Even then, I don't think it is a good idea. --- RockMFR 15:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOChidden 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Habbo.png

message: Games have objectives, Habbo Hotel doesn't. It's an open-ended chat client, Sampo Karjalainen even states so here.
"User's of Habbo refer to it as a game, but it order for it to be classified as a game, it needs objectives, which Habbo does not have. We consider it to be open-ended play." -(Something along the lines of)
 In my opinion, it shouldn't be in the "game" WikiProjects nor should it be referred to as a "game" in the article, perhaps it could be referred to as an online community. So, obviously, "Habbos" shouldn't be referred to as "Players", but perhaps as "users".--Kai 08:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not go and change all the wording to "users" or removing it from the projects it is currently under the scope of until we reach a consensus here. Wikipedia is a community as well as an encyclopedia, and it succeeds because the community makes decides on what to put in the article, and not just one user going and changing everything in the article because his opinion is that Habbo Hotel is not a game. I do hope that you do succeed in yet another proposal, as your previous proposals for the article (e.g. merging and dispute of Habbo and Habbo Hotel) appear to have failed. –Sebi ~ 08:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was merely a suggestion. I didn't say that I was going to change anything I'm just putting in out there... God, are you people afraid of change or something? --Kai 06:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree. Change it to users and change it to an online community. Theres really no question that it isn't a game. 69.136.162.114 19:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, exactly. It's certain that Habbo Hotel doesn't fall into the WikiProject Video Games, it's hardly a video game. -- Kai talk 10:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds fine to me. bornhj (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked if Habbo Hotel would be classed as a game or not, at WT:MMOG, and they say that if there is a reliable source that says the game is a game, the game is a game. If there is a reliable source that says that Habbo Hotel is not a game, then it it is not a game, and we won't display those banners on the side of this page. But I doubt that a lousy Google video would be classed as a "reliable source". Sebi [talk] 22:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The video was just an example. But there is certainly no question that it's not a Video Game. -- Kai talk 05:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a "Game" 

message: Habbo Hotel → Habbo — A merge is not necessary at this stage. However, on Sulake's website they do not refer to the Hotel directly, they refer to the Habbo brand. This article isn't entirely about Habbo Hotel. Sulake's plan is to devolp the Hotel into something greater than just a chat client, so this move is vital. If the requested move is approved, the article would have to be structed accordingly. -- Kai talk 05:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Strong Oppose – The article is about Habbo Hotel, it is not about the Habbo brand. It only contains information about the "Habbo brand" because there is not information about it to create a whole new "Habbo brand" article. Sebi [talk] 06:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Note: The article isn't about all Habbo Hotel. All of Habbo_Hotel#Features, Habbo_Hotel#Habbo_Credits, Habbo_Hotel#Habbo_Club and Habbo_Hotel#Moderation_and_management aren't about Habbo Hotel specifically, they're integrated into the Hotel, but they aren't about the Hotel. The domain for the site, www.habbo.com, changed from www.habbohotel.com two years ago around about the same time Sulake started added hotel-integrated features onto the website, surely that should indicate something. It's rarely even referred to, by Sulake, the official homepage and user's as Habbo Hotel nowadays anyway. --58.165.186.199 12:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is to say that the article on Habbo Hotel can't have information about the Habbo brand? There's not enough to be included about the Habbo brand to have its own article. Sebi [talk] 04:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
* Note: I purpose that Inside the Hotel be renamed to Habbo Hotel, and that The Navigator and Furniture be put underneath the Habbo Hotel header. The article should be about the Habbo brand, not just the Hotel. Thus the above would allow for expansion on the Habbo brand and the website's features, not just the client's. --58.165.186.199 12:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Strong Oppose – The article is about Habbo Hotel, it is not about the Habbo brand. It only contains information about the "Habbo brand" because there is not information about it to create a whole new "Habbo brand" article. Sebi [talk] 06:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The article isn't about all Habbo Hotel. All of Habbo_Hotel#Features, Habbo_Hotel#Habbo_Credits, Habbo_Hotel#Habbo_Club and Habbo_Hotel#Moderation_and_management aren't about Habbo Hotel specifically, they're integrated into the Hotel, but they aren't about the Hotel. The domain for the site, www.habbo.com, changed from www.habbohotel.com two years ago around about the same time Sulake started added hotel-integrated features onto the website, surely that should indicate something. It's rarely even referred to, by Sulake, the official homepage and user's as Habbo Hotel nowadays anyway. --58.165.186.199 12:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is to say that the article on Habbo Hotel can't have information about the Habbo brand? There's not enough to be included about the Habbo brand to have its own article. Sebi [talk] 04:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
* Note: I purpose that Inside the Hotel be renamed to Habbo Hotel, and that The Navigator and Furniture be put underneath the Habbo Hotel header. The article should be about the Habbo brand, not just the Hotel. Thus the above would allow for expansion on the Habbo brand and the website's features, not just the client's. --58.165.186.199 12:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: That isn't the Hotelli Kultakala logo. See http://web.archive.org/web/20021002225912/www.habbohotel.fi/habbo/ and refer to the logo in the top right. -- Kai talk 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:HotelliKultaKala.gif 

message: I have updated the release number, as a new version is now available on the Habbo Finland site. It would be nice if someone could go into the loader and get the full name of it from the the embed. I've also removed speakers from the input section, because firstly they're not an input device (they're an output device) and secondly they're not necessary to play the game.
--Timothyrogers 20:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made some minor edits