Talk:List of people from Yorkshire

message: Because of the disagreement that currently is associated with the long list of unreferenced material in this article, and the apparent edit-warring over its inclusion or not, I'm including all unreferenced material, below, in this list. The types of unreferenced additions fall into two groups:
# Those of people who are already dead
# Those of people who are still alive.
My reading of the guidelines and results of questions I have asked on various fora suggest that the two groups need to be handled slightly different, viz:
*If the person is still alive, then WP:BLP applies, in which there is a strict policy in operation about unreferenced material which suggests it should be immediately removed from the article;
*If the person is dead, it can be removed from the article, but it can also be tagged as in need of reference.
In terms of what the reference should be, my reading of the requirements states that:
#The reference should be a suitable citation of a reliable source which will verify that the person is (a) a real person, with (b) a real connection with the place whose article it is (which may need to be argued about in terms of its specification); and (c) sufficient notability to justify the inclusion isn such a list. More than one reference may sometimes be required to satisfy all this.
#The reference must be a real, direct reference, and the presence of a wikipedia article about the person satisfied NONE of the requirements for adequate reference (see this arcived question and responses here.
What I propose is done is to combine the two approaches that need to be adopted if the person is alive or dead into one in the following manner:
*All unreferenced names are transferred from the main article to this section of the discussion or talk page. This then shows what names are in need of referencing.
*Suitable references that satisfy the requirements, given above, are found for what entries editors can find given their time and other abilities.
*If suitable references are found, their name is struck out of the lists here, and the name is reinstated in the main article, together with the referencing.
*If names are transferred which still have insufficient verification, they are simply reverted in the main article with the striking out in this list removed.
*If new names are added that have insufficient verification attached, then they are transferred from the main article to the relevant subsection here, and are then available for others to attempt to verify and place back in the main article, as described above.
This would seem to satisfy all sides of this dispute, and it is a solution I and others have made use of quite successfully on a number of other articles, such as Warrington, Frodsham, and Macclesfield, and it clearly gives a signposted and structured way in which an article can be gradually improved.  DDStretch  (talk) 15:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean by "the presence of a wikipedia article about the person satisfied NONE of the requirements for adequate reference"? Note that the consensus AFACIT is only that Wikipedia itself can't be used as a source. If the article itself has a reference for the location, then that's fine - the question is whether the reference needs to be repeated here as well, for which I don't believe there's any consensus (although if someone thinks it should, there's nothing stopping them copying the source across). Mdwh (talk) 15:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry if I was unclear. What I meant was that editors should not think that linking the name in a list to a wikipedia article is at all saisfactory, even if that article which is being linked to contains references that would justify the inclusion of the name in this list. Instead, the references should be used anew in 'this list. Does that make it clearer? Altrhough it is related to the idea of "Wikipedia cannot be used as source" it is a slightly different case to it, though its influence on actions may be the same: i.e., the references must be included in this article, no matter whether they also occur in the person's article on wikipedia or not. If that runs counter to what you believe, then sorry, but you may need to change your interpretation of the guidelines, and I invite you to take the matter up with the relevant expert editors on  Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources, where I asked the question and got the advice (link to archived questionand answer given above.)  DDStretch  (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked out the link, and I can't see a consensus that they must be copied across? Blueboar stated "Consensus is actually mixed about this." and gives his opinion of "the citation does not have to be repeated, but it probably should be." I agree there's no harm in repeating the link - but it's better that than delete everything that doesn't have the link copied across. Mdwh (talk) 16:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And note that I haven't said anything should be deleted: it should just be transferred to the talk page pending verification. If verification cannot be found at all, then it should probably be deleted. See my response on the deletion discussion page for more about this.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to strike out the people on the list here as they are referenced and moved back to the main list. --Kaly99 (talk) 07:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. That's what I've suggested should be done.  DDStretch  (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I should have really read through the whole discussion above before commenting, I've now read it all :). --Kaly99 (talk) 23:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced additions to this article

message: Please can people referenced as from Yorkshire not be removed from the article at least while the deletion debate is continuing. --Kaly99 (talk) 07:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of referenced material

message: There are a number of entries that have been added using the same referenceA Yorkshire Miscellany By Tom Holman, p. 168 quoted at Google Books but I guess that most of them are not in that reference but people are just copying from an existing entry. I tagged one entry last June as failing verification. Has anyone got access to this source, the snippets on Google Books is not much use for this purpose, to verify if these are actually listed in the reference and to give a page number for each entry. May be if we cannot do this then all entries using this reference should be removed. 
Keith D (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: I currently lack the ability to add this Halifax actor to the article. Here's a reference:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/yorkshire-living/arts/cinema/eric-portman-forgotten-movie-idol-1-6379801
--TS 08:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric Portman 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on List of people from Yorkshire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071109004156/http://www.wilberforce2007.com:80/index.php?/abolition_of_slavery/william_wilberforce/ to http://www.wilberforce2007.com/index.php?/abolition_of_slavery/william_wilberforce/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 16:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 5 external links on List of people from Yorkshire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070928130055/http://www.mylearning.org/jpage.asp?jpageid=720&journeyid=200 to http://www.mylearning.org/jpage.asp?jpageid=720&journeyid=200
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110721185731/http://www.discoveringyorkshire.net/Page.aspx?PageId=3 to http://www.discoveringyorkshire.net/Page.aspx?PageId=3
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.wilberforce2007.com/index.php?%2Fabolition_of_slavery%2Fwilliam_wilberforce%2F
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060813194004/http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/sean_bean_biog.html to http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/sean_bean_biog.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090505120826/http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/tom_wilkinson_biog.html to http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/tom_wilkinson_biog.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:33, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on List of people from Yorkshire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081202085147/http://www.stwilfridsyork.org.uk/st_margaret_clitherow.html to http://www.stwilfridsyork.org.uk/st_margaret_clitherow.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091213050114/http://www.number10.gov.uk/history-and-tour/prime-ministers-in-history/herbert-henry-asquith to http://www.number10.gov.uk/history-and-tour/prime-ministers-in-history/herbert-henry-asquith
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081012041936/http://cornellsun.com/node/24301 to http://cornellsun.com/node/24301
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081120075621/http://www.yorkshire-icons.com/index.aspx to http://www.yorkshire-icons.com/index.aspx
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:06, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on List of people from Yorkshire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091223041604/http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/artists/a/Mark-Addy/index-326980.html to http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/artists/a/Mark-Addy/index-326980.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120320230815/http://andrewleepotts.net/wordpress/?page_id=2 to http://andrewleepotts.net/wordpress/?page_id=2
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:51, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
* 
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 05:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the . —Community Tech bot (talk) 08:53, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion