Talk:Filk music

message: I reverted the change about filk ridicule because I can't see how that actually fits into the article. Also, I'm not convinced the information about Photoshop "filk" belongs in the filk music article.
Thoughts? --SarekOfVulcan 23:02, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, I think that the narrower definitions of filk are more useful.  Thus, filk is loosely described as the folk music of science-fiction fandom, on topics of broad interest to SF fandom and including both parodies and original material.  Where we fall into a trap when defining filk is when we fail to recognize that not everything written by a filker is filk; contrariwise, not everything that is filk is written by a filker.  Thus songs such as my own "You Are My Life", although a perfectly fine love song, isn't filk since it lacks any SFnal elements -- but "Love At First Sight" would be filk.  And while Weird Al is not a filker, "Yoda" and "The Saga Begins" are filk.  --Bill Roper 00:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to keep a sense of the divergent definitions of filk, so the What is filk? section includes the genre-ish definition, such as yours, as well as the sociological/cultural definition.--SDorn 07:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridicule

message: I hate to say this, but this article does come across as mildly exclusivist - along the lines of "if you have to ask, you'll never know". Someone coming across the term, not recognising it, and deciding to look it up on Wikipedia might be a little bit frustrated by this article as it leaves out a lot. For example, which never-published essay saw the original use of the term? (And if it's not known, then how is it known that this was indeed the first usage?) Sources really ought to be cited, even for things like this. Loganberry (Talk) 04:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's better now, certainly... but the article still doesn't explain about the "never-published essay". If it was never published, how is it known that it existed in the first place? Presumably either the person who wrote it or someone who read it has written that it did - in which case, details (or a specific footnote) need to be given in the article. Loganberry (Talk) 02:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not certain about this myself - I've been involved in fandom and filking for over 30 years, and I've never heard of the "Never published essy" myself. Of course this doesn't mean that it didn't happen... I will try and contact a couple of people who have been involved longer, and see what I can find out. I know quite a few of the people who were involved in the early history who are still alive. UrbanTerrorist 17:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you; if you could find out something about it, it would be ideal. I'm not doubting the essay's existence; I just don't feel comfortable with a completely unsubstantiated assertion like that. I think the reference should eventually be dropped from the article unless something can be dug up, simply leaving the Karen Kruse Anderson reference. Loganberry (Talk) 22:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Will see what I can do - my daughter is in for major surgery right now, so most of the next month will be a write off. UrbanTerrorist 01:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Got around to it. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 14:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm... 

message: Unfortunately, Wikipedia is NOT a list of links. We're going to need to shorten this down drastically.--SarekOfVulcan 00:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, the largest part of that article is a list of "representative filk songs", and the next largest is a list of Filkers, whether or not represented on Wikipedia. I don't think this is a good format for the article, unless you can give me a couple of counter-examples.--SarekOfVulcan 01:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the article does need filling out, and I have the material, but probably won't be able to do a decent job of it for the next month, my little girl is in hospital - she's hoping to be out in time to see the next Harry Potter movie. UrbanTerrorist 23:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a list of links 

message: I'm not sure about the propriety of naming people - I added a lot today, however all of the additions were those who are public figures (i.e. they've either been guests at a con, put out a tape or appeared on one, are a public figure in an organization devoted to filk - such as ConCom, or mentioned in some other way - Kay Shapero runs a news group).
Also, I'm not quite sure what to do about Dr. Jane's listing - I'm told she is undergoing a sex change operation (I haven't seen her for a couple of years), which is going to make meeting her again REALLY strange, but hey, that's her or his choice.
I think this is the safest way to work things. UrbanTerrorist 03:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reasonable idea. I think someone may have done so, but it may be largely empty. Someone who takes that on gets my admiration for the updating it'd require!--SDorn 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: I pulled out my song book tonight and added a bunch of songs, sorted by topic. I tried to pick songs that are representative of the wide range of filk and reasonably well known, however filk does tend to be regional - for example I never get to Southern Cons, and am probably missing a lot of good music, but I think caught the most popular topics.
I remember hearing Scott Snyder? doing a song about a thief, which would be a good add to the Gaming Section. I know that Bill Roper did one that I think was called "One Last Battle" but my copy of "The Grim Roper" expired of old age and I didn't keep the tape. Also there's been several C.S. Lewis filks - I have a copy of "Susan at 18" but not the author's name. There's a fair bit of Dorsai filk out there, I know a Dorsai Irregular or two, will look into that as well.
And that reminds me that I missed adding John Hall to the list of filkers - Bear will kill me <G>.
UrbanTerrorist 04:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Filk Songs

message: I did a bit of shuffling things around this evening to keep the definitional discussion together, as well as pointing out the tensions in the different approaches to defining filk. I also added some documentation, including about Lee Jacobs' essay in the 50s. 
There needs to be more reorganization, though, and more fleshing out of filking as a cultural activity, especially the overlaps: the ties to the Dorsai Irregulars in U.S. fandom, links to the SCA, the EFDSS links to British filking, etc. There could be more substantive discussion of the musical traditions that show up in filking. There also needs to be links to MP3 download sites, so readers can get a taste of the best of downloadable filk. 
My sense (which may or may not be right) is that a list of filkers' names is less useful to potential readers than external links to filkers' pages, especially those with downloadable audio files.--SDorn 01:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization desperately needed! 

message: I think, on the whole, that a list of names isn't needed.  (And glancing at the list, I see obvious omissions of people who I'd expect to see (for example, only one of a husband and wife) and inclusion of people who are not filkers by any reasonable definition.
Links to any pages of people named or included would be far more useful and appropriate.
A new Wikipedia category, "Filkers," has been created.Shsilver 13:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it.--SDorn 07:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:Filkers.Shsilver 12:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That was me who deleted the list.--SDorn 07:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Names 

message: The list of internal Wikipedia links corresponding to individual song titles and filkers seemed inappropriate for Wikipedia, when the vast majority of names had no pages and probably never will, especially given the advice in the  five pillars of Wikipedia that Wikipedia is not "a grouping of links (whether internal or external)." In the next few days, I'll add selected links to external websites and suggestions for searching for individual filkers. --SDorn 00:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of titles and names 

message: * FKO Hall of Fame acceptance speeches by Sally and Barry Childs-Helton
* Solomon H. Davidoff, "Filk:" A Study of Shared Musical Traditions and Related Phenomena among Fan Groups (M.A. thesis, Bowling Green State University, 1996). Bowling Green State University Thesis 6673. (At BGSU, call no. LD 4191 O6 No 6673.)
* Henry Jenkins, Textual Poachers: Television Fans and Participatory Culture (New York: Routledge, 1992), Chapter 8: "'Strangers No More We Sing': Filk Music, Folk Culture, and the Fan Community."
* Roger D. Launius, "Got Filk? Lament For Apollo In Modern Science Fiction Folk Music" 5th International Astronautical Congress 2004; Vancouver; Canada; 4-8 Oct. 2004. pp. 1-11. abstract 
--SDorn 12:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Launius link is dead, but this one works: http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.IAC-04-IAA.6.16.1.06  --Thnidu (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holding place for cultural-discussion links 

message: Links deleted because (I think!) they don't give a clear sense of what filk is if someone comes across them:
* Brobdingnagian Bards free download page
* Cat Song Parodies of Irish Songs
This is a tough judgment call in some cases, but my best judgment is that the list of download links needs to be pretty slim and give casual surfers a very good idea of what filk is rather than trying to be compleatist. There are only two artists currently named in the article.  One is there (Ookla the Mok) as an exception to the general acoustic-vocal pattern of filking, and the other (Tom Smith) has a web site with a range that really does, truly represent filk (in the sense of, if this is the one website that a casual browser comes across, will I be comfortable that this artist is representing filk?). All the other download links are to multi-artist collections. (Definitely need feedback here on judgment call.)--SDorn 20:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted links 

message: I've removed the line:
Legendary filmmaker Russell Frushtick contributed the first known filk song, for an animated program called, Radtke's Heroes.
This appears to be spurious. There is no listing at IMDB for Russell Frushtick, no listing for a movie called "Radtke's Hereos", and no supporting evidence at Google. There is however a video game reviewer named Russell Frushtick.
:Katy's explanation (moved here for later discussion): Moved the paragraph " Legendary filmmaker Russell Frushtick contributed the first known filk song, for an animated program called, Radtke's Heroes." to "History" (did anyone hear about this?)--SDorn 07:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Katy: what's the German of Radtke's Heroes?--SDorn 07:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yikes! Sherman, next time read everything in the changes list, all right?  I'd have no problem mentioning Frushtick, but need a bit more in context (maybe the German for the program title, at least)?--SDorn 07:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: [Ivan Vorpatril drawl] Y'know... [/Ivan Vorpatril drawl] ... "Frühstück" is German for "breakfast", and an English speaker who can't manage the "ü" sound is likely to turn it into "Frushtick". So I'd be very surprised if that insertion was ever anything more than a joke, which here would count as a type of vandalism. --Dr. Whom: Consulting Linguist, Grammarian, Orthoëpist, and Philological Busybody (talk) 04:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Russell Frushtick?

message: I swapped the "History" and "Styles and Subjects" sections.  I felt that for someone who wasn't already familiar with filk, the Styles and Subjects section would be more relevant and interesting, and thus should come first.
:Makes sense to me. --SDorn 00:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  swapped History and Styles & Subjects sections 

message: "Lkjhgfdsa" has added the line "Filk can also be a parody of a preexisting song." Obviously this opens a perennial can of worms.  In any event, this proposed definition is misformulated, whether one accepts its premise or not; filk (as opposed to "a filk song") is not "a parody" of any particular song.  
For now I'll back this change out.  We should have some discussion on whether the "filk = parody" idea merits discussion in the definition section. GMcGath 10:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My dear I have written quite a few songs, and only two of them were parodies. I will admit that this is mostly because I am such a lousey guitar player that learning someone else's song is too difficult and time consuming <GRIN>. However a lot of filkers I know HATE parodies. I will edit the Songfic article. UrbanTerrorist 02:55, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I fixed that, and added a note in the Songfic discussion page. UrbanTerrorist 03:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining filk as parody 

message: User:EdStauff added a paragraph some weeks ago that I just edited to trim the reference to unspecified filkers who were nurtured from novice to polished.  Are there any specific examples that might be used to add that in?  My brain's running low on oil this afternoon...
--SDorn 17:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture bit 

message: Looks like the Brobdingnagian Bards have been by, with two new links.  The link to their own site is probably OK, as they do some filk, but I've deleted the link to Mage Records, as they don't even mention filk on their home page, and their connection to filk through the Bards is very attenuated compared to the other publishers listed.
If others disagree, it can be put back. GMcGath 13:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions 

message: Admittedly I am not fully aware of the practices for articles like this, but is it really necessary to have a link to the google search for filk+mp3? I'll leave it in for now, but I think it ought to be removed. Sopoforic 22:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted it; we've got plenty of real links without adding Google searches. It can always be put back, of course. GMcGath 16:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's fine with me. --SDorn 12:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Google 

message: I removed the reference to *Trekkies* because, unless someone can explain why it's critically important, I'm not sure it makes sense to include minor nonfiction references to filk. There are also the occasional news story about filk (e.g., about the 2006 Consonance, if I remember correctly), but I don't think that every reference needs to be in a Wikipedia entry. Since I haven't seen the film, I'll be happy to learn if my supposition is wrong and if it was a substantive segment with interesting insight. --SDorn 12:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trekkies" film 

message: Not directly relevant to this article, but it seems like the best place to mention it.  I've suggested a merger of the Steve Macdonald and WorlDream articles.  Discussion can happen on the talk pages of either of those articles. GMcGath 00:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Deleted the link, because the whole site is now 404.
* Maureen O'Brien collection of filk MP3 links
If that's temporary, feel free to put it back! -- Aleksej S.
:Thanks. Luna Santin 12:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maureen O'Brien's site: link <strike>deleted</strike> back 

message: Someone's added a cleanup tag expressing concern about the external links. While most of them are of good quality, it can certainly be argued that the sheer quantity violates the guideline on external links that "External links should be used sparingly and kept to a minimum." 
Here are some of my thoughts, in sequence. 
The "Filking culture and history" links can be reduced. The list of conventions should be kept, but perhaps it should get its own article. Audio files -- I've always been a bit uneasy about listing those which require registration. Maybe not for any good reason. Recording companies and retailers -- I'd hate to cut those out. Community: Maybe that can be reluctantly eliminated. Awards and funds: Keep. Miscellaneous: Most of those could reluctantly be cut.  With the exception of a few low-quality links, I don't like removing anything, but as the guidelines say, this shouldn't be a directory.  Comments? GMcGath 20:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both DAG Productions and Firebird Arts and Music are listed twice. I don't know where the best place for them is, but someone should pick a place and cut the dupes. -Sopoforic 06:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've done that. I also dropped two links to German-language sites, per the guidelines; best that they should be cut by the hand of a friend. :) GMcGath 12:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  The DAG Productions link to a live feed is back. Is there a reason to keep that, as opposed to either listing others, noting the phenomenon with the other high-tech arrangements, or just deleting it? --SDorn 20:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I see it's been half of a year since this was discussed, so this may be immaterial, but amongst other things the rec.music.filk FAQ (which is already linked to) does have a list of purveyors and publishers and similar things, so they probably don't need to be found in the article.  Anansii 07:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pruning external links 

message: Removed 'circular-reasoning' paragraph added by FroggySkunthorpe. The point was made in the section that this is a cultural definition, not one based on strict textual logic.
--SDorn 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing odd stuff 

message: One important thing this article is missing is a more detailed description of the Filk Circle, its etiquette, and its various forms (Bardic, Chaos, Token Bardic, etc.). We've got the What, Where, Why, and When, but we're missing the How. The How is: In a filk circle!
I was hoping to simply link to an article on the Bardic Circle, but alas, such an article does not seem to exist on Wikipedia. Although I personally have never participated in a Bardic Circle outside of Filk, I'm told that they exist, and that filk circles are a derivation of that existing form.
In the past, I could have sworn I'd seen some extensive references on the web about the proper etiquette of a Filk circle. I seem to recall a good one written by Steve Macdonald a long time ago, but I can't seem to find it now. And searching Debbie Ohi's Filk Faq for the word "Circle" doesn't result in any main headline articles about the Circle specifically.
Clearly this is something that needs attention. I also think it deserves its own section heading the in main article. I'll even write it myself if no one else steps up. 
Comments?
Tfabris (talk) 22:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Circle 

message: Should we add a section on recorded filk?  I think there's enough out there to justify a discussion. (Besides, it's disappointing to see the only reference to "Divine Intervention (album)" call up an album by Slayer.)  Dan ad nauseam (talk) 03:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recording 

message: Why is Donald Swann's song cycle not classified as filk?  It would seem to me that it was some of the first filk created?  Ron (talk) 14:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if writing music for songs written as part of a novel qualifies as filk, unless Swann joined the filk community and treated them as filk. The college library near my house had that album, and I know I checked it out at least once. :-) Rather Schubertian, wasn't it?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It's generally accepted that filk musicians and filk songs are self-identified, meaning the person says "I am a filker" or "this song that I wrote is a filk song". Just because a piece of music is about a sci-fi or fantasy topic doesn't automatically qualify it as filk music. Even Jeff Wayne's The War of the Worlds doesn't qualify as filk music unless Jeff says so. Anything originating outside of the filk community and subsequently embraced by its members can be considered "found filk". Tfabris (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Swann is a professional musician from outside the continuous community of fandom. While some of his works have been treated as "found filk" (like, say, much of Tom Lehrer and Weird Al, and quite a bit of Peter Schikele), he was never part of the cultural tradition from which filking arose. His stuff is too :art songy for my taste (I'm a more folk-music type); but that's purely personal taste. (And as far as "first"? No way; some of Poul Anderson's early stuff long predates Swann.) --Orange Mike  |  Talk 19:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Donald Swann]] and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On]]'' 

message: I'm new here, so please bear with me.
1. Shouldn't the section on the Pegasus Awards more properly belong on the Ohio Valley Filk Fest page?
2. I see that the section on the filk circle in particular is tagged, "This section does not cite any references or sources."  This section contains information which would be useful to newcomers, and is widely known within the community.  But how can one cite references for that kind of information? HScrimgeour (talk) 02:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Easy Howard. Sit yourself down, and write an article. I'll publish it on Filk Culture and we now have a verifiable link, and everyone is happy. When will you make your submission? Warning. I am the editor from hell. Ask Janet Morris. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 06:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Filk Culture would not be regarded as a reliable source. This is not to disparage what you are trying to do with it. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 17:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prospective changes 

message: And I can only assume it is from a lack of knowledge of said word (it essentially means "leaving the music intact and changing the text"), rather than any intentional choice.  I realize surely not ALL filk music falls under the broad heading of contrafactum, but surely enough does for it to be an important term to use for the reader to better understand the genre?  Well, for the reader with an extensive knowledge of musical terms, anyway. 71.217.20.94 (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The term contrafactum is rather esoteric (except for music majors, anyway); but nobody's going to denounce you if you use the word in an otherwise-unexceptionable edit. Be sure to wikilink it. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article does not use the word "contrafactum" 

message: We had a bit of a weird situation, in which the "Pegasus Award" redirected to this page, but a separate stand-alone page listed the award-winners.  The convention in award articles is for a page to be titled based on the award, and to include internal lists of award-winners as appropriate.  So, I renamed the "list of Pegasus Award winners" to simply be "Pegasus Award", and copied over the descriptive content from this article to the Pegasus Award page.  If someone can prune the Pegasus Award content here down to a briefer description, great; in the meantime, there's some redundancy on the two pages.  --Lquilter (talk) 02:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasus Award 

message: I've just added a bunch of references, enough IMHO to warrant taking down the tags:
Discussed one by one below.
The documentation of that template (which redirects to Template:Fanpov) says
:This template will add tagged articles to :Category:Articles with a promotional tone, or a dated subcategory thereof.
I'd say it is meant for articles that seem to be written from the POV of a fan of the subject of the article, like a page about Buffy the Vampire Slayer that's all gushy and not at all encyclopedic. That's a different kind of "fan".
I think I've done that with the refs I've added. There are still a couple of "citation neededs", but I've done my bit for tonight.
Like, which ones? I see no problem here. 
If you add a comment here and want me to reply, please ping me.
--Thnidu (talk) 05:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: It's just been pointed out to me that this article features a photograph of me and Emma Bull making music at Wiscon in 2006.
I have no objection to the photo, but I should point out that most people into filk would not consider me or Emma to be filkers. We're members of the SF community who are also musicians. That's not the same as being a filker.
I'm not at all bothered by the association. Only a few years ago I was a guest at a filk convention, GAFilk, that makes a practice of having at least one special guest every year who is (1) a well-known SF pro or fan who is also (2) a musician and (3) not a filker. It was a great con. I was honored to be their guest. 
The point is: filk is its own thing--it's not just "science fiction people who happen to make music." Choosing that particular photo suggests otherwise, and that's probably a mistake. pnh (talk) 23:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the existence of a partially-separate filking community, filk came from and eternally flows back into the broader pool which is fandom. Heaven knows you are both ours,  part of that inchoate beast called :science fiction fandom ("Yobba, yobba, we accept you, we accept you, one  of us"), and you are making music at an SF con. I see no reason why it is not perfectly illustrative. (BTW: I've got a couple of fanzines around the house somewhere, pubbed by a couple of Seattle social workers, that I keep meaning to LoC when I get around to it.) See you at WisCon 40? --Orange Mike | Talk 20:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with : this is a very good and wholly appropriate photo. I'm not sure I'd feel the same if the filk circle photo weren't there as well, but that's a contrafactum. :-) --Thnidu (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd choice of photograph

message: Second link to "FilKONtario" is redundant, there being one in the previous sentence: "consisting of the convention committee of FilKONtario (with the exception of David Hayman,". 79.53.94.105 (talk) 07:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't see this or your apology before posting on your Talk page just now. Confusion happens. --Thnidu (talk) 16:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant piping

message: ...currently includes a recurring filking subplot, in which Raj and Howard serially filk, both in private and in public. Given that the show has a high profile, is unapologetically about scifi-fandom culture (among other things), and filk is clearly what's going on here, seems like it merits mention. Laodah 19:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: The Big Bang Theory

message: , why did you  this article from :Category:Music genres? Looking at what is counted as a music genre, can you seriously say that these are genres but filk music is not?
: Because it's a parent cat.  Music genres > Musical subcultures > Filk music.  :Category:Musical subcultures should also be deleted for the same reason.
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*    Improvisation
*    Jaiva
*    Kapuka (music)
*    Logobi
*    Martial music
*    Masonic music
*    Minimalism
*    Neues Geistliches Lied
*    New acoustic music
*    Nitzhonot
*    Nòva cançon
*    Orchestral song
*    Pastoral
*    Perpetuum mobile
*    Popular music
*    Posi music
*    Progressive music
*    Progressive rock
*    Rabiz (music genre)
*    Religious music
*    San Francisco Sound
*    Secular music
*    Sentimental ballad
*    Shaabi
*    Shamstep
*    Singer-songwriter
*    Sociomusicology
*    Space-themed music
*    Temperance songs
*    Tombeau
*    Tower music
*    VIA (music)
*    Visual kei
*    Wedding music
*    Weird SoundCloud
*    Women's music
*    World music
Please  me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 01:04, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a genre? 

message: Horror is specified in the opening paragraph as one of the foundational genres for the music, but that's not substantiated in the article, and I can't see anything relevant in the links.Shtove 12:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horror