Talk:List of media portrayals of bisexuality

message: There are many instances of characters on this page being described thus: "sexuality portrayed as fluid". Fluid sexuality is NOT the same as bisexuality, as it can apply to too broad a range of sexual identities than bisexuality, which is not "feeling attracted to everyone/anyone" but "being attracted to MALES and FEMALES." A character that has had relations with a trans or gender-fluid character, for instance, would most accurately be labelled "pansexual", and labelling them "bisexual" would be blatantly incorrect. 
Furthermore, a character with "fluid sexuality" could be considered literally any character that has, say, kissed members of both genders, but canonically consider themselves straight. You could argue that Rachel Greene from FRIENDS has fluid sexuality because there is an episode in which Rachel talks about kissing a woman in college. Saying that Rachel Greene is bisexual, however, would be incorrect, as this is never once stated or implied in the show AND Rachel has all but outright stated that she is straight. 
As a bisexual person, I honestly feel that having so many "sexuality portrayed as fluid" labels on a page that literally discusses bi erasure is, in fact, a form of bi erasure. "Sexuality portrayed as fluid" could mean literally anything other than "heterosexual". "Bisexual" has only one meaning. That's the whole point. "Sexuality portrayed as fluid" is either just a wordy and frankly inaccurate way of avoiding the label of "bisexual" (which would be ironic considering the original intention of this article) or a slimy and still inaccurate way of categorizing any sexuality other than "homosexual" or "heterosexual" as bisexual. If the character isn't canonically or clearly bisexual (meaning NOT pansexual, NOT just sexually curious, NOT "sexually fluid", whatever that even means), then don't put them on this page and label them as bisexual, because they almost definitely aren't.  71.127.218.146 (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that fluid sexuality and bisexuality are different, and that kissing someone does not determine someone's sexual identity. However, I strongly object to the notion that bisexuality is defined as only being attracted to "males and females" and that anyone who is involved with a trans or genderqueer character is therefore not bi. Instead I would point to this definition by prominent bisexual activist Robyn Ochs: I call myself bisexual because I acknowledge that I have in myself the potential to be attracted–romantically and/or sexually–to people of more than one gender, not necessarily at the same time, in the same way, or to the same degree"   https://robynochs.com/quotes/   I've also seen people respond to the "bi means 2" argument with "bi refers to genders similar to my own and genders different from my own." In my experience (as a bi person and friend of many bi people), most bi and pan people describe their sexualities in the same way, but just happen to prefer one label or the other. Also, trans men and trans women are still men and women, respectively. Loving or being sexually involved with a trans person doesn't change the gender(s) you're attracted to. Oliviawood1 (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: ["Fluid Sexuality" Is NOT Bisexuality]

message: Could anyone confirm the bisexual in this show? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.120.4.1 (talk) 15:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queer Eye 

message: If you want to take something off, please discuss it first.  Adding stuff is cool, but denying there are bisexuals in stuff like Queer as Folk doesn't make much sense.  We'd really appreciate it, thanks.  Andral 05:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism and removing information 

message: Pansexuality (sometimes referred to as omnisexuality[1]) is a sexual orientation characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love and/or sexual desire for people regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. 
- Wikipedia
I think it's an adequite word.  I think Stephen Moffat, who wrote Jack's first few episodes in the show, is supposed to have described him as such also, though I don't have a reference. Andral 05:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 'Pansexual' 

message: Heath Ledger was quoted as stating in Time magazine: "I don't think Ennis could be labeled as gay. Without Jack Twist, I don't know that he ever would have come out... I think the whole point was that it was two souls that fell in love with each other." 
And if you want more, check out the Reception section of the Brokeback Mountain page.  Please don't remove it again before discussing. Andral 05:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brokeback Mountain 

message: Has anyone seen this film?Andral (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eternal Summer 

message: This page lists Original Cindy as bisexual, but the list of Dark Angel Characters identifies her as a lesbian.  Which is correct? 82.152.168.142 (talk) 12:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Angel 

message: I removed James Bond as he was never implied to be bisexual. His remarks in Skyfall were obviously a way to mock the villain as well as referencing the torture scene in Casino Royale.
"The scene raised eyebrows at early “Skyfall” press screenings because of the implication that the dashing MI6 agent is bisexual. According to screenwriter John Logan, however, that isn’t the case."Source
--2001:B07:A13:D97E:31E2:1D29:A5E5:9F46 (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Bond 

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