Talk:Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby

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In 1832 he was created Baron Stanley of Bickerstaffe and was subsequently elevated to the House of Lords in 1844.
Surely he would have entered the Lords in 1832? Timrollpickering 10:15, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's definitely wrong. I'll look into it. Mackensen (talk) 14:52, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Hrmm. I've thumbed through Blake's Disraeli, and Stanley was definitely still in the Commons in the late 1830s. The 1832 is wrong, I think. I'll change all references to 1844, which seems far more likely. Mackensen (talk) 23:28, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Is the title "Baron Stanley" or "Baron Stanley of Bickerstaffe"?  Burke's (not always reliable) gives "Baron Stanley of Bickerstaffe".  So does the Leigh Rayment page, which distinguishes it from the original title of "Baron Stanley" which went into abeyance in 1594.  Do we have any definite knowledge on that front? john k 18:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: David Beamish (usually reliable for comma positioning) gives it as "L. Stanley of Bickerstaffe in the County Palatine of Lancaster", in contrast with "L. Stanley of Alderley in the County of Chester" and "L. Stanley of Preston in the County Palatine of Lancaster". Proteus (Talk) 18:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Entry into Lords

message: No one else in his family seems to have this sort of double-barrelled name.  Where does the "Smith" come from?  His wife?  His mother?  Somewhere else? --Saforrest 01:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The surname Smith descends from the mother of the 12th Earl of Derby, Lucy Smith, daughter of Hugh Smith of Weald Hall. Phoe 08:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Debrett's 1865 says his surname was "Stanley."  Even if "Smith-Stanley" was sometimes used as a surname, I'm dubious that it's the most common name. john k (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smith-Stanley? 

message: The article states that: "...this letter remains today the legal basis for the predominant form of primary education in Ireland." A letter cannot be a legal document as far as I am aware. Was the substance of the letter later enacted in Parliament? If so, I think that should be pointed out.--Britannicus (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If this recent addition is correct, a citation is needed.  In any event, I would have expected the basis to be an Act of Parliament.  I am therefore adding the tag Peterkingiron (talk) 00:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Stanley Letter"

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