Talk:Terry Fator

message: Not locating any 3rd party citations of this claim.
from opening paragraph - also known as the Human Jukebox,[citation needed]from info box Human Jukebox[citation needed]
3rd party source of Greg London here referred to as human jukebox by Dominic Cavendish of The Daily Telegraph London.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/3662597/This-human-jukebox-is-on-the-button.htmlWhyspeakthetruth (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exacly what he said in the Top 10 episode. You can look for it on youtube and see it for yourself (unfortunately we cannot put that link to the article as it is a copyvio). --Kudret abi 04:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should've been more clear: I think he meant that there were many adults in the audience, but only one child. CuttlefishTech 23:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Piers Morgan clarified this in the final four episode. "I remember you telling us about the time a couple years ago and you played a show and one person turned up and you thought, "I'm gonna quit"." 71.127.0.31 (talk) 23:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see here for a news citation. 71.127.0.31 (talk) 11:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I reworded part of this, mostly because the first couple sentences were incomplete and didn't make much sense. Some of it consisted of sentence fragments. One portion had a citation added, which had to be erroneous, since the sentence talked about occurrences after he had won the show, but the citation was for the "Final Eight" show. It hadn't happened at that time. I also removed the location where his mother is a real estate agent, as it could be interpreted as an ad for her. With her name and the town she works, it would be quite easy to find it. This needs a lot of fine tuning. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Human Jukebox Query

message: I'd interpreted this quote as "Fator once performed a show at a 1000-seat theater, in which only one child (a 12-year old boy) was in attendance, prompting him to almost quit." This suggests that he wanted to perform for children, but that they were rarely in attendance. It makes virtually no sense that a 12-year old would attend a show by himself without his parents. If someone else can corraborate this, it should be changed CuttlefishTech 02:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exacly what he said in the Top 10 episode. You can look for it on youtube and see it for yourself (unfortunately we cannot put that link to the article as it is a copyvio). --Kudret abi 04:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should've been more clear: I think he meant that there were many adults in the audience, but only one child. CuttlefishTech 23:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Piers Morgan clarified this in the final four episode. "I remember you telling us about the time a couple years ago and you played a show and one person turned up and you thought, "I'm gonna quit"." 71.127.0.31 (talk) 23:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see here for a news citation. 71.127.0.31 (talk) 11:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 1000 seat theatre Performance

message: Is it just me, or does it sound like this section was written by his PR agent? It seems like a lot of this stuff is unverified and should be removed. --Citizen Sykes 04:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworded part of this, mostly because the first couple sentences were incomplete and didn't make much sense. Some of it consisted of sentence fragments. One portion had a citation added, which had to be erroneous, since the sentence talked about occurrences after he had won the show, but the citation was for the "Final Eight" show. It hadn't happened at that time. I also removed the location where his mother is a real estate agent, as it could be interpreted as an ad for her. With her name and the town she works, it would be quite easy to find it. This needs a lot of fine tuning. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Life After America's Got Talent

message: After putting the existing image in the info box, I noticed that several people have already tried to do this, but were reverted by Kudret abi.  The reason given was "Fair use images cannot be used in the infobox (see WP:FU)"  I looked and WP:FU doesn't mention info boxes.  What gives Kudret abi?  Why are you reverting? – jaksmata 20:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, you are right, I should have said WP:FUC, not WP:FU. There it states "No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." This is the criteria referred to when saying FU images are not acceptable in infoboxes. The argument is that the aim of an image in Fator's infobox is to depict what he looks like, and since he is a living person, a free equivalent can be generated because someone could take a picture of Fator and release it under a free license. I hope that this explanation helps. --Kudret abiTalk 06:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I think I understand the policy at WP:FUC, I still don't see where in the policy it says "no non-free pictures in info boxes." The ongoing discussion there seems only partially related to this, since it is about TV shows and this article is about a person. Just to be safe, I've moved it out of the info box and added a note so that other editors will look here before repeating what I did. – jaksmata 17:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started a thread in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Infoboxes so that hopefully someone will add something about infoboxes to WP:FUC. –panda (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the infobox is the main issue and I also don't think the problem has been solved simply by taking the image out of the infobox and placing it above the infobox.   The question is not where it is used, but how it is used.  This is an unfree image that is being used to show what Terry Fator looks like with his arm inside a puppet.  No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose applies regardless of where the image appears.   The image is replaceable because somebody could take a picture of him and release it as a free image.  Even though one is not available now, one could be created.   Under this policy the image should be removed from the article.   It should also be removed from Ventriloquism and images from Commons could be used - "ventriloquism", as a topic, needs to be illustrated and there are free images.   It's not vital that specific performers be illustrated by using unfree images.  (I've removed it from "ventriloquism" where there are now 3 free images, making the Terry Fator unfree image even less usable).    I can see some justification in using it in the America's Got Talent article, because that is specific to the show, and everything from the show would be subject to copyright and therefore not replaceable.    Rossrs (talk) 02:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the image is deleted because of an invalid fair-use rationale, so be it.  I'm putting it back into the info box - see the reasons at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Infoboxes. – jaksmata 16:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's been archived - see here: Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_31#Infoboxes – jaksmata 14:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info box picture 

message: :In May 2007, before appearing on America's Got Talent, Fator was performing at a fair near Houston, Texas and only one 12 year old boy was in the audience. Discouraged, Fator contemplated pursuing another career, but his family encouraged him to hang in there. Terry entered the America's Got Talent competition with the hope that the exposure if he made it to the Top 20 might help his career and cause people to want to attend his shows. But Fator says the low point of his career was when he appeared at a 1,000 seat theater and had only one customer.[4]
:Fator's success stems from combining singing and ventriloquism.[9] Fator had been the lead singer in a band and often did impersonations of singers like Garth Brooks, Etta James, James Taylor and Dean Martin while ventriloquism was just a comic side gig for Fator.[9] In 2005 Fator decided to join his two talents, ventriloquism and impersonations.[1] "I had one of my characters sing Garth Brooks' Friends in Low Places and the audience went bananas," Fator says.[9] "Boy, that was where my life changed."[9] After his initial success Fator revamped his act.[9] "It took me six months and I completely rewrote the show," says Fator. "It was then that people really noticed and I started getting standing ovations at the end of every show."[9]
This is confusing. Other the the lack of a chronological order, it sounds like he started having greater success after revamping his show before 2007 but in 2007 this success had either worn out or whatever and he only had one person in his audience. If this is true, it isn't explained properly. Also when did the 1000 seat theater and one customer happen? Nil Einne (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, highly confusing and non-chronological and mixing cause and effect: the text states how Fator played in front of empty seats in 2007, then how he  rewrote the show in 2005 to get standing ovations and was an opening act in 2007 for big players. All of this probably happened, but not in the given timeframe. (127.0.0.1) (talk) 21:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing 

message: :Is it just me or does the situation of Terry's inspiration suddenly come up with Comparisons to treating Terry Fator as Las Vegas's 'Jim Henson's On stage factory'?  Such as one can compare the leadership natures of Winston as 'Kermit the frog'.  Then there is the Deva of the stage thinking she is all that being Vicki the Cougar compares well with 'Miss Piggy' without the infatuation over the leader.  But the latest puppet which makes me wonder about the comparisons would be 'Wrex the crash dummy' reminding me of Gonzo the Great who treated all his failing stunts as an 'art form' in symbolism to how Wrex is a dummy who treated crashing into walls as a form of skill and familiarity.  Not to mention the breaking of his body comparing to Gonzo's many failed attempts putting him in a wounded condition but still rearing to go.
I ask myself, does anyone else have the distinct feeling that each puppet is going to end up having that same familiar feeling to Jim Henson's inspirational puppets? Miarose10 (talk) 6:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muppets Comparisons 

message: What about his time when he could be booked on speakinc.com. 
* promotional video from speakinc.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdxsYLK8ReE
* his page on speakinc.com http://web.archive.org/web/20071127115236/http://www.speakinc.com/keynote-speakers/terry-fator/index.html
according to the page, his keynote fee was $35,000 - 50,000
(127.0.0.1) (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  working for speakinc.com 

message: According to 
* http://www.bluemoontalent.com/terry-fator.html and
* http://dallasparty.com/Terry_Fator.htm
Terry Fator was named one of the top 5 "Male Entertainers of the Year" for 2006 by American Entertainment Magazine.
(127.0.0.1) (talk) 22:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terry top 5 "Male Entertainers of the Year" for 2006? 

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message: The first longish paragraph under "personal life" is entirely unsourced and makes several statements that could be considered unfavorable. They may or may not be accurate but it seems like that sort of thing should be sourced. The "charitable work" section right under it is well sourced.JKNJwrites (talk) 02:14, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life references 

message: Hi terry 2A00:23C7:4E28:8301:8104:EB2A:3CA3:5B3E (talk) 08:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recieve messages 

message: The first paragraph under Early Life states that he started with ventriloquism in "fifth grade." During fifth grade, he checks out a book on the subject and "a few weeks later" he buys a dummy from Sears and started performing.
The next paragraph states that his hobby started at age 10 which is compatible with fifth grade. It further states he practiced ventriloquism throughout childhood for friends and family. Next, it states his mother saved up to buy him his first dummy at age 18, which is the end of childhood and long after age 10/fifth grade.
So we are told he buys his own dummy "a few weeks" after his fifth grade assignment but also that his mother bought him his first dummy at age 18. Jlongrc (talk) 01:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of origins of ventriloquism hobby is internally inconsistent