Talk:Lothar von Trotha

message: Sad, wikipedia, sad.
:Thank you for you contributions. To deal with the points individually...
::I see no mention in the cited article that Germany, nor any other nation in the world, recognizes these as acts of genocide, and it seems irrelevant given that the German minister was reported as saying that she felt the 'brutal crushing was genocide'. I agree that the word 'official' was not used correctly.
::The fact that von Trotha arrived after 5 months, and also initially experienced relative failure, is worth reporting, as it gives context to his change of strategy. I agree that comments about the Herero's supposed 'lack of fear' and perception as being 'savages' don't belong here, at least without more context.
::Historians have made the connection between Namibia and later events in Nazi Germany, so that comment should stay. Anyone reading the article can decide for themselves whether its a valid connection. I also left in the comment about good relations between the countries, and the aid packages, but removed the word 'generous', as that's POV and not all parties agree. Greenman 18:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they have made the connections, CITE THEM, not your BOGUS communist political website either. The German imperial troops took a long time to be mobolized, which is why little was done initially. It is recorded that herero were unorganized and easily routed in battle, but that they would continue to return to areas they had already been pushed out of. Ernham 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another lie-filled anti-German article. Oh fueher, how they envy us, the wonderful Germany blood and soil superboys

message: Sigh. This is a call for help to all interested editors to please help monitor the constant removal of cited references, in both this and the Herero and Namaqua Genocide articles, by a particular editor, and general attempts to force his own POV. The editor in question is abusive and not-responsive to constructive criticism, and has simply decided to opt out of discussions, and continually revert. Please see the relevant histories for the full discussions, and record of this users lack of constructive engagement. Greenman 17:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one POV pushing. I'm just interested in facts and truth as we know them, not your ridiculous communist websites and perverse interpretation of reality. How can one spare non combatants when one just organized the ehtnic cleaning of over 100 noncombants? You cherry pick sources that are completely BOGUS and have no undertsanding of what you are editing. I don't have time to deal with you, but i won't let you continue to present a wiki that is 90% bogus as not being "disputed" and I won't let you claim something as a "genocide" when it is not recognized as such by any other country. You have chosen this route of edit warring instead of defending your postion. For instance, you could supply at least one country that officially recognizes it as a genocide. You have don nothing of the sort. Ernham 17:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More neutral editors needed - help stop the edit war!

message: With Ernham banned for his behaviour, hopefully we can avoid sinking to that level again and make some constructive progress on this article (although the anonymous contributer has decided to call me an idiot, so I don't have high hopes :).
Mr/Ms anonymous, in order for there to be a connection between the two events, there don't have to have been Nazis present in Namibia. Such literal short-sightedness is hardly helpful. It is possible for there to be other links. Eugen Fischer, father of eugenics, and whose book was a standard Nazi textbook during the Nazi era, toured the concentration camps in Nambia, and performed experiments there. It's in Namibia he formed many of his ideas. Hitler cites his work in Mein Kampf. Historians have pointed out the connection. Since Wikipedia is supposed to be NPOV, all that's needed is to point this out, not agree with it. If you think its idiotic and there should have been Nazis in Namibia, fine, but Wikipedia is not a place for original research :) I will add this reference to the article as perhaps it will dissuade other well-meaning but ill-informed contributers, though I'm sure the revisionists would have an apoplexy and will remove it anyway. Greenman 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only revisionist in here seems to be you. Ernham 20:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links between Nazi holocaust and Herero genocide

message: Ernham has obviously been unbanned again, and is back doing what he does best, punting his own obstinate POV with no attempt to reach consensus. His first act back after a month or so of peace and progress on the article is to revert it back to his previous garbage version, removing sourced references, etc. I'm going to try not to lower myself to his standard and involved myself in an edit war again, (though I can't help trying to get involved when I see utter crap on Wikipedia) but PLEASE, can everyone else viewing this article help stop his vandalism!!!! Greenman 11:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  you are the POV-pusher around here who knows little to nothing about the history which you continue to manipulate and lie about. Ernham 20:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no point engaging with Ernham :) I'm stepping out of the edit war, but please note it's a pile of POV crap again as Ernham simply reverts without discussion, so perhaps someone else wants to fix it, or get Ernham banned for the xth time :) Greenman 11:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Friendly vandal is back

message: Story is here. I don't know enough about this to judge how to write about it, but it seemed relevant. Loganberry (Talk) 01:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "German family's Namibia apology" - BBC 

message: Von Trotha had a choice. Either try to win the hearts and minds of the Hereroes (positive reinforcement) or kill most of them (negative reinforcement). As a military man, he chose the second option. War is heck. He didn't have to be concerned about the media and its embedded journalists.Lestrade (talk) 01:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What to do?

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