Talk:Titulus Crucis

message: See the tags I added: this article violates NPOV and is a probably copy-vio.  In addition it does not give its sources, and it reads like a high-school essay, not an encyclopedic entry.  Please do not remove these tags until these issues have been resolved. •Jim62sch• 21:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagged for multiple problems

message: Chandlery, P.J.     Pilgrim - Walks in Rome : A Guide to its Holy Places
Society of          w/ map of churches and roads of Rome.
Jesus          Pub: The Messenger, New York (1903)                 
              MPL#: 914.56 C456 (Milwaukee Public Library reference number)
see the online bibliography at http://www.cyriac-fhp.com/cbx.htm for the above entry there.
(Father P. J. Chandlery, writing at the turn of the century from his position within the Vatican talks about both the Church of the Holy Cross in Rome and the original in Jerusalem.  Given that his sources may have been more legitimate than most, both applicatble sections from pages 159 & 160 in the above book are quoted here for the information of anyone researching this matter:
p159   138.--DISCOVERY OF THE HOLY CROSS AT JERUSALEM BY ST. HELENA, A. D. 326.
         Constantine, desirous of honoring the holy places sanctified by our
       Redeemer's sufferings, resolved to build a magnificent church in
       Jerusalem.  (Alban Butler, May 3.) His mother, St. Helena, inspired
       with a great desire to find the true Cross, on which our Lord has
       suffered, undertook a journey to Palestine in 326, though she was
       nearly eighty years of age at the time.  At Jerusalem she found no
       mark, no tradition even among the Christians to guide her in her
       search.  The heathens had heaped up a great quantity of stones and
       rubbish to conceal the place where our Savior was buried, and the
       Emperor Hadrian had profaned the Holy Places and outraged the feelings
       of Christians by erecting a statue of Jupiter near the Holy Sepulchre,
       and a temple and statue of Venus on Calvary, so as to prevent the
       Christians from coming there to worship.  The pious Empress ordered the
       profane building to be pulled down, the statues to be broken to pieces,
       the rubbish to be removed; and on digging to a great depth the <I>holy
       Sepulchre</I> was found, and near it <I>three crosses</I>, also <I>the
p160   nails</I>, which had pierced our Saviour's Hands and Feet, and <I>the
       Title</I> which had been fixed on the Cross.  Uncertain, which of the
       three crosses was the one on which Christ died, the holy bishop St.
       Macarius, after fervent prayer, applied them singly to a sick person;
       the first two had no effect, but an immediate and perfect cure
       followed the touch of the third.  St. Helena, full of joy at having
       found the treasure she had so earnestly sought, built a church on the
       spot, and within it placed the Holy Cross enclosed in a rich silver
       case.  A part of it she took to the Emperor Constantine, who received
       it with great veneration: another part she brought to Rome to be placed
       in this church of the Holy Cross.
p160   139.--RELICS OF THE PASSION AT SANTA CROCE--THE HOLY CROSS, THE SACRED
             NAIL, THE TITLE ON THE CROSS.
         Besides the large piece of the True Cross, St. Helena placed in this
       church the Title that had been fixed on the Cross and one of the Sacred
       Nails.  These sacred relics disappeared for a long time (hidden
       probably during some invasion of the city), and were thought to be
       hopelessly lost.  In 1492, during some repairs ordered by Cardinal
       Mendoza, a niche was discovered near the summit of the apse, enclosed
       by a brick front, inscribed "Titulus Crucis."  In it was found a leaden
       coffer, containing an imperfect blank of wood, 2 inches thick, 1 1/2
       palm long, 1 palm broad.  On this was the inscription in Hebrew, Greek
       and Latin "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews."  The coffer also
       contained a large piece of the True Cross, and one of the Sacred Nails.
       (1) ... 
        
         (1) Bozius. Tract de Cruce. l. 1. c. 2.)
The source, Bozius. Tract de Cruce. l. 1. c. 2. would be crucial to this discussion and has been unfound by me (Ben Ciriacks) to date.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benzden (talk • contribs) 16:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: added for information re discussion

message: I added fact tags (citations needed) -- all of these issues need to have supporting documentation.  Additionally, as the authenticity of the Titulus is a minority view, it needs to be represented as such.
I removed the following as being both clearly OR, and factually incorrect and unverifiable.
:But it makes sense, since Pontius Pilatus, who, according to the gospels, dictated the inscription, was a Roman magistrate and used, especially for official documents, the official language Latin. 
:It was up to the writer to create a version in the other two languages, and therefore it was rather unlikely that he transferred the term Nazarinus in the correct Greek form.
:Therefore it is very well possible that the Titulus Crucis is indeed the title of the cross of Jesus in his crucifixion.
•Jim62sch• 22:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that source doesn't meet WP:RS or WP:V, so it can't be added.  Also, "Saviour" is a value judgment, and therefore inherently POV (I've reworded it).  Nazarinus merely means person from Nazareth.  I'm going to move the section to the talk page until a valid source can be found. •Jim62sch• 12:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:NOR]]

message: See above for reasoning.  •Jim62sch• 12:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen Hellenistic inscriptions that look mirror-like Pictureuploader 20:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but see the example on the Boustrophedon article.  Only alternate lines are mirror images. Also, Latin was rarely done this way. •Jim62sch• 23:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article

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