Talk:Novak Djokovic

message: Even the staid, stolid, New York Times says so: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/sports/tennis/2023-tennis-season-djokovic.html
"He is considered by many in the game as the greatest player ever." 2607:F140:400:141:91D6:37CF:AA3C:313B (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC
More: NYTimes: https://theathletic.com/5177051/2024/01/10/australia-novak-djokovic-open/ 06:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Then we wind up having to add the water cooler stuff to all the others like Federer, Nadal, laver, Tilden. The NYTimes is there to sell papers and sensationalism is a forte. We have it in the prose already. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We collect what others report. NY Times is a reliable source, so is the BBC. 2607:F140:400:141:4D5A:1B68:C3E:EFFE (talk) 20:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an extremely subjective subject, especially when looking at the entire 140+ years of tennis. The last thing we need is to report the subjective water cooler stuff in the lead when we already discuss it in the main body legacy section. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: NYTimes, BBC, ESPN etc are not water-cooler material. They are reliable sources, what we rely on to build an encyclopedia. "Being considered by many as the GOAT" is already  present in the text, which means we already have settled the subjectivity part. Whether he is the GOAT is subjective; whether many consider him so isn't.  2607:F140:400:141:559C:D8F7:8AC2:7D22 (talk) 04:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In the lead is not where the subjective stuff goes. This is an encyclopedia for goodness sake. They usually don't put water-cooler stuff in at all but somehow this has found a place in the legacy section. We have legitimate sources for Serena Williams shoe size but don't include it in the article, and certainly not the lead. The topic is water-cooler stuff. Fun but no more. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not the Wikipedia consensus. Check Tom Brady, Pele, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, . . . 2607:F140:400:141:FC18:53C9:1D3B:E198 (talk) 07:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Knock it off with this "goat" nonsense.  That subject is nothing but pure fantasy.  It doesn't exist because it cannot be proven.  Ever.  Just because talking heads in the media and certain toxic fanbases (ahem) keep pushing this discussion on others doesn't mean the subject has any basis in reality.  It's simple-minded conjecture used to bait a response and it used to be limited to bars and the inebriated.  Requesting this be put in the lead is something only a Djokovic fan would do.  Make no mistake about it, his fans have been on the warpath for many years.  They're desperate for attention and are determined to shove their opinion down the throats of others.  And in this day and age, the NY Times and ESPN ARE water-cooler material.  Long gone are their days of substance. 2600:8800:4197:7600:1815:F916:53D9:E5FF (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "considered by many to be greatest male player of all time" to lead 

message: Is Novak Djokovic truly of paternal Serbian descent? According to some sources, his paternal family comes from Jasenovo Polje, a village near Nikšić, Montenegro. Here are some links:
Vijesti: https://en.vijesti.me/fun/interesting/590945/Djokovic%2C-I-am-proud-of-my-family-roots-from-the-ash-field#:~:text=The%20best%20tennis%20player%20in%20the%20world%2C%20Novak%20Djokovic%2C%20said,of%20his%20vacation%20in%20Montenegro.
CDM: https://www.cdm.me/english/decided-liberation-of-niksic-award-to-novak-djokovic/
Yardbaker: https://www.yardbarker.com/tennis/articles/photo_first_novak_djokovic_novaks_great_grandfather_goes_viral_due_to_resemblance/s1_17131_39143254
I think we need to deepen this aspect. 80.94.121.124 (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he is, please check archive discussions 8 and 9, check what WP:RS and discussed sources on WP:RSN are neither of those you posted belong to that category, also this was extensively discussed for several years as per WP:CONCENSUS.Theonewithreason (talk) 19:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You could have replied to me earlier, instead of deleting my topic over and over 80.94.121.124 (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. M.Bitton (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some doubts about Novak Djokovic's biography 

message: #In the lead, please change "the trio of Federer, Nadal and him" to "the trio of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic". "And him" is not encyclopaedic language.
#In the Opposition to COVID-19 vaccine section, please change "and the main favourite to win" to "and the favourite to win". There can only be one favourite. 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:113B:8474:8FDA:E331 (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit requests on 13 March 2024 

message: In the Sponsorships subsection, we have " During the 2021 US Open, some people in Djokovic's player box wore hats and shirts bearing the logo of Raiffeisen Bank International, the central back of one of the two largest banking cooperatives in Austria." Central back? This makes no sense.  It can’t be a mis-type of central bank, either. Boscaswell talk 22:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "central back" ? 

message: There are several factual errors in the fifth paragraph of "Coaching and personal team" sub-section of the "player profile" section. First, Djokovic didn’t meet Edoardo Artaldi until 2009, when he signed a clothing deal with Sergio Tacchini. Second, he didn’t hire Artaldi as part of his personal team until 2011-12, 
Neither source cited in this paragraph (notes 575 & 576) is reliable. Ideally, sources would be the original reporting or interviews, such as the below.
1) Confirmation of the Tacchini deal in Nov. 2009: https://www.cnbc.com/id/47519672
2) Interview with Artaldi: "When Djokovic moved on from his sponsorship deal, he and Artaldi kept working together, and Artaldi left the Italian clothing brand to be Djokovic's manager." https://www.sbs.com.au/language/italian/en/podcast-episode/meet-edoardo-artaldi-the-man-behind-novak-djokovics-soaring-success/94vgpzjkg
3) Interview with team members (including details of Artaldi’s hiring): https://sport360.com/article/tennis/international-tennis/165242/inside-story-how-team-djokovic-keep-the-world-no-1-at-the-top-of-the-tennis-world
Paragraph 12 also includes the mistake that Artaldi " had been with him since 2008" and again cites unreliable sources. The best source for the "new chaptee" comment is the journalist who did the interview: https://twitter.com/carole_bouchard/status/1719770286176772531 A good source for further comments about late 2023 changes to his team: https://www.tennismajors.com/atp/djokovic-confirms-plans-to-launch-new-venture-in-australia-that-brand-will-consist-of-a-lot-of-wellness-products-so-i-am-looking-forward-to-that-729162.html
I’ll return later to put this edit request in the proper format. 73.132.150.115 (talk) 10:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: It's been 12 days since this request was posted. Is it in the proper format now? User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 10:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 22:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024 

message: Djokovic has just won Laureus sportsman of the year award for 2023. 142.181.66.12 (talk) 23:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: (assuming you meant 2024). There is already a citation about this in the Professional awards section, so I updated the number and years he won the award in the lead. Jamedeus (talk) 23:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024