Talk:Juggling pattern

message: Juggling notation heavily overlaps with this subject, and the two topics would best be treated together. I propose a merge. Fences&Windows 03:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: The internet has made many topics, new things spread and evolve.
Thus, there is few or no literature or °reliable sources or references° to such newland other than what is being communicated on websites, forums, blogs, twitter, eMails, sms, .. modern media, to resume it up. how does en.wikipedia.org by the way define source, I mean .. ?
In juggling it is alike. We've had a boom of programs offering the opportunity to find or find out about siteswaps; we've lately seen forums, websites, profiles on platforms and portals spreading the fascination of, or the addiction to, or the ardour and enthusiasm on juggling.
Still, hundreds of years before the internet, people juggled and wrote many books about it.
Yet, all that was before is basic and elementary and historic too, but overcome and does not anymore fully meet the modern communication and exchange about juggling going on lately.
Thus:
We jugglers discussing here on discussion section or exchanging via internet are the very source. :o) Native.
Still, all was written to books cannot be redeemed and is common juggling heritage. And yet again .. few jugglers lately have ever read a book about juggling.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.143.233.97 (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources? references? 

message: hi, .. if you ask me, i think there´s a major difference between 7b-[34]- or 5b-[2T3] - splits (even + uneven height landing in different hands) on the one hand, then [35] or [57] multis (uneven only landing in other hand .. unstacked).
So would you call these latter splits too? .. or wouldn't it make sense to refer to those as say 'spreads' or sth.? Or is that the 'cut stacked'  throw?
Another difference is between multiplex only - like 7b-[34], 5b-[2T3] or 8b-[35] on the one hand, then siteswaps containing multi-throws (like 4b-[53]3333, 3b-cascade with an additonal 5). 217.84.92.129 (talk) 20:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  kinds of multiplexes .. 'spreads' ? 

message: Why, how, and where does this article contain original research and how should it be improved? Hyacinth (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: On the face of it, the patterns have objective names which can be googled or searched for on youtube, etc if they are not in print. Just find a source that A) repeats existing names and does not make up a name or B) take credit for originating the pattern. A == secondary source, , B== primary source. The sources do not need to be academic. Just try to avoid primary sources. Just use some objective evidence (like an article or a video). Original research means, in the case of juggling patterns, a new pattern. If you can find a reporter or teacher or hobbyist to quote, you are safe from the charge of OR. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 02:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: see Help:Shortened footnotes. If you need a tutorial,Jeremy Shafer (2013), How to juggle 7 ball cascade accessdate=2014-06-30  you might try the Teahouse. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 03:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations

message: I am the creator of the Library of Juggling (I can't prove this but please, just trust me). While I'm glad that my work is being cited, I think that the difficulty values should not be included for the various tricks, as they are ultimately quite arbitrary and therefore subject to arbitrary change. My information on names and siteswaps are objective and accurate -- with the exception of the "Half-Box", since this is a name I invented. Most jugglers refer to the pattern simply as the 441.
I am going to be bold and remove the difficulty values. If you disagree with my actions then I invite you to discuss your views with me here. --2601:8:9380:C4A:9060:FB49:15B1:66ED (talk) 18:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are difficulty ratings included on the Library of Juggling? Hyacinth (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes. Naming basic patterns and occasionally referring to prerequisite tricks (like Carry or Yo-yo for the Robot or the underlying siteswap e.g. 423 for Eating the Apple) or skills ("done with crossed arms") are guide enough and more of an instruction than an encyclopedia should give. - And its in the nature of the listed tricks, that the easier ones are listed before the hammers like Rubenstein's Revenge, Burke's Barrage, a.s.o. It's within that no doubt up to the reader to decide which tricks suit his skills and preferences. --RoNeunzig (talk) 13:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difficulty Values 

message: Hi, a "neckthrow" thrown with hand goes past behind the neck over the other shoulder to the other side, the catch done same way back .. but then some artists catch a high ball with the neck (bending whole upper body down) then skyrocket it up with a move of neck and head, which also would be a "neckcatch / -throw". Thanks for solving! [signed german user  RoNeunzig ] --217.84.98.108 (talk) 12:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to distinguish '''''neckthrow / -catch''''' with hands from those with neck?