Talk:Dulzaina

message: The first photo doesn't belongs dolçaina. It's a gralla. Gralla is another different instrument to dolçaina. The second photo IS a dolçaina or chirimita.
Dolçaina is high-pitcher, has 8 holes (gralla 7) and different sound. Similar but different.
History:
"In the Valencian Community it's known as a dolçaina or xirimita and is accompanied by a drum called the tabalet. The Catalan variety of the dulzaina is called a gralla, and the Basque variety is called a bolin-gozo" Ok than they are varieties because MAYBE they have a common beginning, because it go up to Dark Time and between decline romans (tibia) and the next reference (12th century) doesn't text or pictures that explains its evolution. We don't know the evolution o what civilitation infuence what one, arabian or from old French. Maybe a bit of all them.
S. XI exist constance of Zulamí or Al-zurna (Córdoba and Sevilla) similar shape and name of "dulzaina" "dolçaina". The moaxaja and provenzal influence and ages and ages, maybe changed the name to actual dolçaina/dulzaina too.
"The term dolçaina was introduced into Catalan in the 14th century from France (the ancient word was "douçaine")"
First of all. 14th century doesn't extist Catalonia, extist a serial of earldom. The languaje was provenzal. "Catalan" in this "Comunidad autónoma de Cataluña" is rear.
Douçaine (French) isn't predecessor of dolçaina. Douçaine is predecessor to basson. If there are any name which were introduced was "chirimita" of "chaumelau" (French). This text has the ambigous with those nouns, orrr... really english horn is english? Ancient Cor angle or Engellisches horn. If we argue as this text the answer is yes. Douçaine and Dolçaina, simmilar noun but different instrument.
Then,
* 9th century we find zulamí (Sevilla- Córdoba of Al-Andalus) Arabic influence lived on and spreaded over great fraction of Spain. A lot of territories coexist Christian and Islamic.
* Zampoña - http://www.chirimias.es/images_chirimias/zamponas.jpg 
* Caramillo 12th and 13th century played bay troubadour and jongleur
* Dulzaina o chalemia - 13th century (Cantigas de Santa María)
'...En esto de las campanas anda muy impropio Maese Pedro, porque entre moros no se usan campanas, sino atabales, y un género de dulzainas que parecen nuestras chirimías.'
El Quijote, Miguel de Cervantes
17th century also distinguished between chirimía (longer) than dulzaina (shorter)
* Albogue - name of chimiría into Castilla. 13th to 15th century "Libro de Alexandre" 13th century
* Albogón - As Albogue but with sound bass. Simmilar to "Bombarda bretona"
* Chirimia - 15th century.
Then, until Renaissance there are a lot of instruments that they are simmilar sound and shape, depend contructor, region, time to call all of them. ¡Ah! Term of "gralla" always appears with bagpipe "sac de gemencs". "Gralla" is a part of this instrument that it can be removed and play with it without a bag. Although the sound is simmilar to the dulçaina its origins is different. Today gralla is usually played whitout the bag, and take its name of this bagpipe stick but in its origins it was played with this bag, in spite of all of varieties of chirimias that all of them was played and designed as they are. Saying bad: Flute (always withough bag) with double reed.
Then until 15th century doesn't exist the intrumental families and 16th century appears the systematization. Then we can become to talk what is a chirimia, dulçaina, oboe... as we knows them today. Because, e.g. a chirimia would be had a lengh as oboe (+- 25 inch) or dulçaina (+- 12inch)
Finally, dolçaina was played on street, then this instrument developed to increased its qualities for this use. High power sonority. At Comunidad Valenciana, throught history since Ancient Valencia Kingdom keeped withouth keys. Ancient Castilla Kingdom developed the instrument to keys one, and thus with ever region of Spain".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.19.74.62 (talk) 12:47, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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