Talk:List of best-selling game consoles/Archive 2

message: ====3DO====
Shouldn't the 3DO be here? It's page says that it sold 2 million units. I don't know how to edit it. 135.196.89.179 (talk) 10:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its page cites GamePro. That article is unreliable. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

text: This is being discussed here. Basically, that article has too many sales errors to be considered reliable. « Ryūkotsusei » 20:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: 3DO Is Purposely Missing

message: Shouldn't the 3DO be here? It's page says that it sold 2 million units. I don't know how to edit it. 135.196.89.179 (talk) 10:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its page cites GamePro. That article is unreliable. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: 3DO

message: Why the 3DO Interactive Multiplayer is missing from the best selling consoles? It sold 2 millions as stated on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_home_video_game_consoles. Therefore there is a contradiction between these two pages  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simbadwiki (talk • contribs) 14:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is being discussed here. Basically, that article has too many sales errors to be considered reliable. « Ryūkotsusei » 20:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  3DO Interactive Multiplayer 

message: Where is the Atari Lynx, it sold over 5  million hand held units...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Lynx  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.74.113.149 (talk) 19:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That number is not reliably sourced. I've restored the most recent reliably-sourced number to Atari Lynx from that article's history. Anomie⚔ 20:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atari Lynx 

message: Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum are not consoles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.32.121 (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer Removal 

message: It has 7 best-selling games and it's absent here. Why? I assume it has something to do with people buying disks again since they're prone to damage or maybe there just isn't a credible source. However, those are just things I assume happened.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.32.121 (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famicom Disk System? 

message: Seeing as the Game & Watch systems sold over 43 million units  it should be added to this list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:6B80:5A1F:A8FE:29EE:4FEA:6368 (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are handheld electronic games, not handheld game consoles. « Ryūkotsusei » 22:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Game & Watch

message: Could someone please add these? I added the Sega 32X to Segas, but I couldn't find sales figures for the SC-3000 or SG-1000.--FifthCylon (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This is a list only of systems that have 1million+ sales. See the first paragraph on the page. Of course if the SC-3000 or SG-1000 have sold 1mil+ they can be added, but the 32X is not valid (and has been removed). AlphathonTM (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo Geo & Neo Geo CD for SNK and SC-3000 & SG-1000 for Sega 

message: The master system should be on here shouldn't it? In the UK it did much better than some of the other consoles mentioned on here.
According to the console wars page here on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars) Sega Master System sold 13 million.
:Given the sources that are used on that page, it really shouldn't be listed there either. One is dead and the other is a fansite and not a reliable source. Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that 13 million figure originated at a fansite that has not given any sources for the info, which seems in contradiction to the few sales estimates that exist for the SMS.  If you want more info, the talk page for the Sega Master System has it all laid out. Indrian (talk) 08:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the Sega Master System 

message: Someone keeps changing the DS numbers, as of December 8th the Nintendo DS has sold 153.69M units making it the best selling game console of all time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.233.244.120 (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Nintendo DS

message: I was just wondering when Wii U was going to be added to the list since it has surpassed a million units.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sqall2 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo's official sales figures for the quarter should be coming out in less than a month (around 23 January would be my guess). And as soon as they do, I'll update the sales figures here and  as I've done for several quarters now. Personally, I don't see any particular need to rush it. Anomie⚔ 04:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii U has sold over a million units. 

message: I suggest you add a note about these consoles, since, despite the fact they are different systems (different CPU, no forward compatibility), they was put together in the list because Nintendo publishes only combined sales. And you could add the information that until abril, 1998, before Game Boy Color's release in late-1998, the Game Boy alone had sold 64.42 million units worldwide.189.9.20.10 (talk) 13:06, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, black colored cartridges worked on BOTH Game Boy and Game Boy Color. Please do your homework before posting.76.253.50.238 (talk) 01:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Boy and Game Boy Color 

message: ==="Recorded sales" and "production shipments"===
==== PS2/PSP figures are incorrect ====
The information on this page is giving false total figures by adding differing accounting methods to arrive at it's PS2 and PSP total hardware sales.  In March 2007 Sony changed their accounting methods from "production shipments" to "recorded sales" aligning with the accounting methods Nintendo and Microsoft use.  Unfortunately, Sony never gave an updated past "recorded sales" chart for PSP and PS2, though they did for PS3, leading to the current problem of adding differing accounting methodologies to arrive at a total figure that actually double counts some hardware units.  For example, if we used the same methodology for PS3 ("production shipments" plus "recorded sales") it's current total would be near 2 million higher than the "recorded sales" figure Sony gives out.
In some PR releases Sony has given updated figures with the new methodology though (example PS2 source: http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-2-General-Discussion/Happy-10th-Birthday-PlayStation-2/td-p/11909804, example PSP source:http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/psp-sales-70-million-units-worldwide.html), so we can deduct that the current accurate hardware totals as of Sept 30th 2011 should be 152.3m for PS2 (rather than 154.59m as listed on wiki) and 71.3m for PSP (rather than 72.99m as listed on wiki).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, company sales is more descriptive to the article though.MilkStraw532 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is in reference to the Sony accounting methods, no they are not the same thing.  "Production shipments" included produced inventory still in internal warehousing and logistics lines, while the new "sales" method does not. Despite Sony using the term "sales" these are still shipments as we understand them (sold in to retail) not actual sales (sold through to consumer).  If you simply add Sony's two accounting methods, you're double counting millions of units and giving an incorrect total. The only way to arrive at a correct total is a Sony citation for total sales units, then adding reported sales units from that date.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is your proof of this? a link, anything would be good to prove/disprove your point of view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.169.77 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's is the first reference to the change in accounting methods (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q1_sony.pdf). On Page 4, to quote, "Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales.".  Sony then only went on to change past PS3 figures to the new "recorded sales" figure and in fact here's the figures of PS3 for production shipments in fiscal 06 (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/06q4/slide/image/13_image.jpg) showing 5.5 million units rather than the 3.5 million shown with the new accounting method sourced here (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html).  If we applied the same formula to PS3 some are to PS2/PSP ("production shipments" through FY06 + "recorded sales" from FY07 on) then the current PS3 figure would be 53.8 million rather than 51.8 million.  We would be double counting units and giving an incorrect figure, this is exactly what's being done for PS2/PSP in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

text: That doesn't include an entire FY of sales. The only possibility I see is adding the February 2013 PR number with sales from FY 2013. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, you can add that for PS3, Vita, and PSP. I think the notes provide enough context to back that. « Ryūkotsusei » 23:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, and thanks for the input. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 23:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Please find those "etc" sources that do not cite VG Chartz figures. Otherwise refer to the edit notice posted in the article's edit window "A consensus has been found to indicate that VG Chartz is a bad source for this list, as it does not have actual sales figures or professional estimates. If you wish to start a review of this consensus, please discuss it at WT:WikiProject Video games/Sources." « Ryūkotsusei » 05:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: You either have a reliable source (Which VG Chartz is not) or you don't. Anything more on our part would be original research, which we can't do. We must have reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: This is what we call WP:Original research. Because you found a source that says PS3 sold more (Based on a chart with no numbers or dating), combined with another source that says the X360 sold 84 million, you are synthesizing that PS3 sold 84.1 million. We can't do that here on Wikipedia. We need a reliable source, either Sony or a trusted source (Not VGChartz) that gives a specific number for PS3. -- ferret (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, specifically, it violates the WP:SYNTH part of the WP:OR policy. Sergecross73 msg me 19:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Do what you want. « Ryūkotsusei » 06:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony 

message: ==== PS2/PSP figures are incorrect ====
The information on this page is giving false total figures by adding differing accounting methods to arrive at it's PS2 and PSP total hardware sales.  In March 2007 Sony changed their accounting methods from "production shipments" to "recorded sales" aligning with the accounting methods Nintendo and Microsoft use.  Unfortunately, Sony never gave an updated past "recorded sales" chart for PSP and PS2, though they did for PS3, leading to the current problem of adding differing accounting methodologies to arrive at a total figure that actually double counts some hardware units.  For example, if we used the same methodology for PS3 ("production shipments" plus "recorded sales") it's current total would be near 2 million higher than the "recorded sales" figure Sony gives out.
In some PR releases Sony has given updated figures with the new methodology though (example PS2 source: http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-2-General-Discussion/Happy-10th-Birthday-PlayStation-2/td-p/11909804, example PSP source:http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/psp-sales-70-million-units-worldwide.html), so we can deduct that the current accurate hardware totals as of Sept 30th 2011 should be 152.3m for PS2 (rather than 154.59m as listed on wiki) and 71.3m for PSP (rather than 72.99m as listed on wiki).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, company sales is more descriptive to the article though.MilkStraw532 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is in reference to the Sony accounting methods, no they are not the same thing.  "Production shipments" included produced inventory still in internal warehousing and logistics lines, while the new "sales" method does not. Despite Sony using the term "sales" these are still shipments as we understand them (sold in to retail) not actual sales (sold through to consumer).  If you simply add Sony's two accounting methods, you're double counting millions of units and giving an incorrect total. The only way to arrive at a correct total is a Sony citation for total sales units, then adding reported sales units from that date.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is your proof of this? a link, anything would be good to prove/disprove your point of view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.169.77 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's is the first reference to the change in accounting methods (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q1_sony.pdf). On Page 4, to quote, "Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales.".  Sony then only went on to change past PS3 figures to the new "recorded sales" figure and in fact here's the figures of PS3 for production shipments in fiscal 06 (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/06q4/slide/image/13_image.jpg) showing 5.5 million units rather than the 3.5 million shown with the new accounting method sourced here (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html).  If we applied the same formula to PS3 some are to PS2/PSP ("production shipments" through FY06 + "recorded sales" from FY07 on) then the current PS3 figure would be 53.8 million rather than 51.8 million.  We would be double counting units and giving an incorrect figure, this is exactly what's being done for PS2/PSP in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Recorded sales" and "production shipments"

message: The information on this page is giving false total figures by adding differing accounting methods to arrive at it's PS2 and PSP total hardware sales.  In March 2007 Sony changed their accounting methods from "production shipments" to "recorded sales" aligning with the accounting methods Nintendo and Microsoft use.  Unfortunately, Sony never gave an updated past "recorded sales" chart for PSP and PS2, though they did for PS3, leading to the current problem of adding differing accounting methodologies to arrive at a total figure that actually double counts some hardware units.  For example, if we used the same methodology for PS3 ("production shipments" plus "recorded sales") it's current total would be near 2 million higher than the "recorded sales" figure Sony gives out.
In some PR releases Sony has given updated figures with the new methodology though (example PS2 source: http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-2-General-Discussion/Happy-10th-Birthday-PlayStation-2/td-p/11909804, example PSP source:http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/psp-sales-70-million-units-worldwide.html), so we can deduct that the current accurate hardware totals as of Sept 30th 2011 should be 152.3m for PS2 (rather than 154.59m as listed on wiki) and 71.3m for PSP (rather than 72.99m as listed on wiki).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS2/PSP figures are incorrect 

message: Regardless of term used they are the same thing, sold items from one business to another and do not mean to end users.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.169.77 (talk) 23:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, company sales is more descriptive to the article though.MilkStraw532 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is in reference to the Sony accounting methods, no they are not the same thing.  "Production shipments" included produced inventory still in internal warehousing and logistics lines, while the new "sales" method does not. Despite Sony using the term "sales" these are still shipments as we understand them (sold in to retail) not actual sales (sold through to consumer).  If you simply add Sony's two accounting methods, you're double counting millions of units and giving an incorrect total. The only way to arrive at a correct total is a Sony citation for total sales units, then adding reported sales units from that date.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is your proof of this? a link, anything would be good to prove/disprove your point of view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.169.77 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's is the first reference to the change in accounting methods (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q1_sony.pdf). On Page 4, to quote, "Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales.".  Sony then only went on to change past PS3 figures to the new "recorded sales" figure and in fact here's the figures of PS3 for production shipments in fiscal 06 (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/06q4/slide/image/13_image.jpg) showing 5.5 million units rather than the 3.5 million shown with the new accounting method sourced here (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html).  If we applied the same formula to PS3 some are to PS2/PSP ("production shipments" through FY06 + "recorded sales" from FY07 on) then the current PS3 figure would be 53.8 million rather than 51.8 million.  We would be double counting units and giving an incorrect figure, this is exactly what's being done for PS2/PSP in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.229.242 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company Sales vs Shipped 

message: ==== Playstation 3 sales number is wrong ====
The only reliable sales number is 63.9 million from (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html) adding the sales from (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html) is wrong as it's both PS3 and PS2 numbers combined.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ushio01 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't include an entire FY of sales. The only possibility I see is adding the February 2013 PR number with sales from FY 2013. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, you can add that for PS3, Vita, and PSP. I think the notes provide enough context to back that. « Ryūkotsusei » 23:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, and thanks for the input. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 23:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Please find those "etc" sources that do not cite VG Chartz figures. Otherwise refer to the edit notice posted in the article's edit window "A consensus has been found to indicate that VG Chartz is a bad source for this list, as it does not have actual sales figures or professional estimates. If you wish to start a review of this consensus, please discuss it at WT:WikiProject Video games/Sources." « Ryūkotsusei » 05:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: You either have a reliable source (Which VG Chartz is not) or you don't. Anything more on our part would be original research, which we can't do. We must have reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: This is what we call WP:Original research. Because you found a source that says PS3 sold more (Based on a chart with no numbers or dating), combined with another source that says the X360 sold 84 million, you are synthesizing that PS3 sold 84.1 million. We can't do that here on Wikipedia. We need a reliable source, either Sony or a trusted source (Not VGChartz) that gives a specific number for PS3. -- ferret (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, specifically, it violates the WP:SYNTH part of the WP:OR policy. Sergecross73 msg me 19:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: PlayStation 3

message: The only reliable sales number is 63.9 million from (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html) adding the sales from (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html) is wrong as it's both PS3 and PS2 numbers combined.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ushio01 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playstation 3 sales number is wrong 

message: From 11th November 2006 - 31st March 2012 = 63.9 million ( http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html )
From 1st April 2013 - 30th September 2013 = 3.1 million (  http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/13q2_sonypre.pdf [see page 16] )
Total 67 million  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ushio01 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't include an entire FY of sales. The only possibility I see is adding the February 2013 PR number with sales from FY 2013. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official PS3 shipped figures 

message: Would it not be more appropriate to have the PlayStation 3 figure represented as >80 million as every site/article I have read shows it being greater than 80 million, just no specific number greater. Even the PlayStation article represents it as such. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you can add that for PS3, Vita, and PSP. I think the notes provide enough context to back that. « Ryūkotsusei » 23:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, and thanks for the input. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 23:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation 3 sales figure 

message: According to the link given on our page on the PS3, it has sold 86.46 million units. I'll edit that into both this page and the PS3's. (PiXel072401 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 sales 

message: PS3 sales shaould be higher than XB360 sales as it is mentioned in many sources (eg. vgchartz.com, etc) and the data in the table (PS3 83.2M, XB360 84M) is definitely outdated. Both consoles has somewhat higher numbers but, as XB360 almost stopped its sales, PS3 still goes on by a couple a million per year. So this position (somewhat 86M+ for PS3 against 84M+ to 85M for XB360) should be clear from the table which is not true now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.94.241.208 (talk) 04:53, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please find those "etc" sources that do not cite VG Chartz figures. Otherwise refer to the edit notice posted in the article's edit window "A consensus has been found to indicate that VG Chartz is a bad source for this list, as it does not have actual sales figures or professional estimates. If you wish to start a review of this consensus, please discuss it at WT:WikiProject Video games/Sources." « Ryūkotsusei » 05:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: You either have a reliable source (Which VG Chartz is not) or you don't. Anything more on our part would be original research, which we can't do. We must have reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

text: This is what we call WP:Original research. Because you found a source that says PS3 sold more (Based on a chart with no numbers or dating), combined with another source that says the X360 sold 84 million, you are synthesizing that PS3 sold 84.1 million. We can't do that here on Wikipedia. We need a reliable source, either Sony or a trusted source (Not VGChartz) that gives a specific number for PS3. -- ferret (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, specifically, it violates the WP:SYNTH part of the WP:OR policy. Sergecross73 msg me 19:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  A clear place to the PS3 console 

message: It's currently at 10 million due to a huge number of guesses by IGN.  Now, I'm fine with adding estimates when they're stated as such, but I have an issue with using this as an actual figure in a chart like this. Thoughts, before I go and remove it? Sergecross73 msg me 03:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do what you want. « Ryūkotsusei » 06:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vita sales 

message: Sony released a press statement today putting the PS4 at 35.9M http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/160105_e.html --Flounder19 (talk) 15:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New PS4 numbers

message: Lots of mistakes here and things that need adjusting. Firstly total sales for the Atari Lynx were just shy of 3 million - see Retro Gamer magazine issue 129 (25 Years of Lynx) confirmed by Ex-Atari staff. Secondly it misses out sales of the XEGS - 250,000 (Retro Gamer issue 124). Atari Jaguar sales of 225,000 (already verified) and 7800 sales of over 5 million (3.77 for North America as already verified and rest of world sales of around 1.5 million)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.20.139 (talk) 18:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Editors will need a copy of that Lynx article to verify it. Currently, this list mentions over 1.5 years of Lynx sales are missing in a note. I've created a section on Lynx's talk page (here) about it. 7800 sales were removed. Discuss 7800 sales on its talk page (here) or with that editor. Consoles need to meet or surpass a million units sold to be on this list. Regards, « Ryūkotsusei » 19:19, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

text: I don't understand. I see it on the list. Sergecross73 msg me  02:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Atari Consoles

message: I am just curious why Atari 2600 is not in this list when even the article claims they sold over a million units and that it was Atari's most successful console yet their two less selling consoles are on the list.75.135.217.204 (talk) 01:49, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand. I see it on the list. Sergecross73 msg me  02:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Atari 2600

message: Discussions relating to this article have been started at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard/Archive 16#Mega Drive/Genesis sales and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources/Archive 4#Brazilian fan/blogsite?. Please comment there if you have any useful input. Anomie⚔ 18:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genesis Sales Notice of Discussions 

message: Why is the Nomad counted twice? If you check the link in the article, part of the 40 million Genesis units comes from Nomad sales (apparently that's considered a Genesis), but it's listed by itself and in Genesis sales. Why is it counted twice?76.253.50.238 (talk) 08:51, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its still not the same type of console, but it would be an issue for the very last table. Anyway, all this is moot since sales from that GamePro source are being phased out. « Ryūkotsusei » 07:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomad counted twice? 

message: Three million Dreamcast units have been sold in North America, which is far below the company's original expectations. There will be no more units rolling off the production line, but the company, will continue to market and support it for another year.
:Sega kills Dreamcast production
:Sutton, Neil. Computer Dealer News17.5 (Mar 2, 2001): 31. 
After two-years of struggle, Sega decided to pull the plug on Dreamcast production in January and concentrate instead on its traditional strength of game software development. "We want to sell our games on popular machines," said another Sega official. Total shipments of PlayStation 2, since its launch of early 2000, reached 10 million units by March and is expected to top 30 million by March 2002. Sega sold some two million units of Dreamcast in Japan and four million abroad. The inventory of Dreamcast was also brought down to 100,000 units from two million at the start of 2001, they added. 
:Sega to Start Online Gaming across Formats
:Jiji Press English News Service [Tokyo] 05 June 2001: 1. 
Sega sold approximately 83,500 Dreamcast units in June, according to an analyst who studied NPD TRSTS Video Game Group data. But the former first-party console maker is still overstocked with unsold Dreamcast inventory and wants to get rid of the remaining consoles. 
:Sega to cut Dreamcast price
:Gaudiosi, John. Video Store Magazine23.31 (Jul 29-Aug 4, 2001): 6,31. 
By delivering a host of new product features, including instant messaging and broadband support, Planetweb and Sega continue to improve the interactive entertainment experience of over four million U.S. Sega Dreamcast users.
:Business Editors & High-Tech/Entertainment Writers. Business Wire [New York] 05 Sep 2001: 1.
Sega Corp. will stop shipments of its Dreamcast video game console in early November, Chief Operating Officer Tetsu Kayama said Tuesday. The final round of shipments will be to the U.S. market. Kayama said the company expects Dreamcast's accumulated shipments to surpass the 10 million threshold. Sega had inventories of some two million units in February. Since the announcement of production suspension in March, Sega has been selling the console for 9,900 yen, 10,000 yen below the regular price. The company slashed its domestic inventories to 40,000 units by September.
:Sega to Halt Dreamcast Shipments in November
:Jiji Press English News Service [Tokyo] 23 Oct 2001: 1.
Getting rid of inventory at slashed prices, Dreamcast sales only recently reached 10 million.
:Sega Changes Its Game Plan; Software profits banish the Dreamcast nightmare
:San Bernardino Sun (California) October 28, 2001 BYLINE: YURI KAGEYAMA or 
 -- « Ryūkotsusei » 18:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Dreamcast: Facts and Figures

message: === Some wrong values around here. ===
According to vgchartz.com ( here: http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ ), many of the consoles here have wrong values. The most notable case being the fact that Playstation 2 is still in first place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.28.197.239 (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: VGChartz is not considered a reliable source. See previous discussions, WP:VG/RS, and WT:VG/RS. Anomie⚔ 02:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Thank you, it was getting a bit tedious reverting these useless edits, but IPs are now flocking to the Nintendo DS article to say it's the best selling console in the world, incorrectly citing unreliable sources and cluttering up the article as a result.TJD2 (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll keep an eye on that, if it gets too bad I'll semi-protect that one too. And PlayStation 2, I suppose. Anomie⚔ 03:30, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: VGChartz

message: According to vgchartz.com ( here: http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ ), many of the consoles here have wrong values. The most notable case being the fact that Playstation 2 is still in first place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.28.197.239 (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: VGChartz is not considered a reliable source. See previous discussions, WP:VG/RS, and WT:VG/RS. Anomie⚔ 02:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some wrong values around here. 

message: To stop the flood of IP users making changes based on the recent VGChartz numbers, I've semi-protected the page until after the official numbers for the current quarter should be released. Should anyone wish a review of VGChartz's reliability, please bring it up at WT:VG/RS and mention it here and at WT:VG. Anomie⚔ 03:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, it was getting a bit tedious reverting these useless edits, but IPs are now flocking to the Nintendo DS article to say it's the best selling console in the world, incorrectly citing unreliable sources and cluttering up the article as a result.TJD2 (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll keep an eye on that, if it gets too bad I'll semi-protect that one too. And PlayStation 2, I suppose. Anomie⚔ 03:30, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected 

message: XBox One sales now showing as 11 millions (PS4 still showing as 18.5 million as cited on the page). Should I go ahead an update this? The source I have isn't the greatest link, it is just: http://www.vgchartz.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.233.222.89 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  XBox One and PS4 sales 

message: I'm moderately new, so I don't know if secondary data is allowed, but (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-09-idc-game-consoles-discs-to-remain-revenue-mainstays-for-years-to-come) this report has said that the IDC report (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=238426#.UTISaDA3s8d) contained a 77 million number for the PS3 with a 76 million number for the Xbox 360. Should this change the rankings of the page? AJO191 (talk) 14:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We're already using the IDC figure alongside official Sony releases for the PS3, so I see no reason why we cannot (in principle) do the same for the 360. However, note that the official 360 figure is 75.9 million, while the IDC 360 figure is "about 76 million", and the official MS figure is actually more up to date than IDC's estimate. As such, it seems unnecessary to include IDC figure as well. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation sales vs Xbox 360 sales 

message: This article states UK sales of the ps3, xbox360 and wii as 1.9m, 3.2m and 4.9m respectively.  However the Console Wars article has the sales of ps3, 360 and wii as 3.3m, 3.2m and 3.1m respectively. Both state the GfK Chart-Track, as of January 3, 2009 as there source.  So which one, if either is correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmcgregoruk (talk • contribs) 21:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The sourced article quotes the GfK figures as 1.9m, 3.2m and 4.9m, so this page is correct and the other has been vandalised. --James (talk) 04:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Sales Figures

message: The criteria for this list does not match its title. A game console that sells 1 million units is actually quite a failure. You can see towards the bottom of these lists that the consoles mentioned are ones that didn't get anywhere and probably lost a lot of money for all parties involved. A more realistic minimum for "best"-selling would be around 20 million, with "average" being upwards of 10 million. 1 million is way too low a threshold for inclusion on this list. Ham Pastrami (talk) 07:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. The 3DO for example, was definitely not considered a success. I would start at 5 million though. Consider: if a console has sold 1 million or more it's on Wikipedia's list of 'best-selling consoles'. If it's sold less than a million it's on the failures page. There is no in-between, which there should be. I would suggest 5 million + for inclusion on this page, and keep the failures list as is. 194.46.169.235 (talk) 00:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 million is not "best-selling" 

message: I'm going to add Position numbers, If this is disliked, please discuss here. (I'm a wiki-edit noob)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by A porcupine (talk • contribs) 21:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by position numbers? If you mean assigning a number to each console that essentially says that it is the Xth best selling console of all time, then no - since we don't know if all the figures are up to date or whatever, that constitutes original research. As it stands at the moment they are arranged by number sold anyway, so it can clearly be seen how they fare based on the figures we have, but currently it doesn't inject any actual ranking into the mix. Alphathon™ (talk) 21:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, so would it be acceptable, simply for the purpose of clarity, to have numbers but not labelled as position? (which would be helpful for people using the page as a quick reference.) Or would this still be against the no original research policy?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by A porcupine (talk • contribs) 21:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that'd still be original research… either that or just arbitrary numbers which wouldn't fall within notability guidelines (the number has to correspond to something, be it a numbered list or some kind of key or whatever). In other words, if they are numbered but that number doesn't specifically mean anything (position etc), it has no place in an encyclopædia. If they are numbered and it corresponds to the number sold (even if that is not explicitly stated), that is original research. I understand the desire to make it easier for quick-reference, but we can only present info that is demonstrably true. Alphathon™ (talk) 22:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks, I'll be sure to read through the no original research page now, to avoid me making such an error in the future. A_Porcupine (My page · Talk back to me!· My Contribs!) 22:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. We were all "wiki-edit noobs" once, and it takes a bit of getting used to, but it's fairly simple for the most-part. Hope to see you around.  Alphathon™ (talk) 23:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Position" numbers 

message: Hi you guys need to updated these numbers they are several million off in some cases, and more importantly, you need to include nearly all of the video game consoles, such as the 4-5 consoles that Microsoft made before releasing the Xbox. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.143.234 (talk) 01:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Re updating numbers, please provide reliable sources and we will be happy to. Re the second, again provide reliable sources and do note that this list is limited to consoles that have sold at least one million units. Anomie⚔ 03:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales need Updating / Include all Consoles 

message: Might be a bit silly, but wouldn't it make sense for the PS3 to be above the Xbox 360? I say this, because they may have sold just about the same amount, but the PS3 did it in a smaller time frame. Just a small adjustment I thought might want to be made.68.102.207.243 (talk) 23:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Then every console with matching sales would have to be sorted that way, which is not practical. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of order for the PS3 & Xbox 360 

message: You'll notice in the reference note for both the xbox 360 and xbox one is the following article:
a b c d Microsoft report figures sold inside retail channels. Xbox 360: 78.2 million sold by the end of Microsoft's 2013 fiscal year (June 2013).[29] During the next two fiscal quarters ending September 2013 (Q1) and December 2013 (Q2), Microsoft sold 1.2 million[30] and 3.5 million units respectively.[31] 800 thousand sold during Q3 2014.[32] Xbox One: During Q2 and Q3 2014, 3.9 million[31] and 1.2 million were sold respectively.[32]
The figures that have been used and included in the totals are from Q2 and Q3 of 2014, Q2 is only halfway through and Q3 has not even begun yet. These are what the company is predicting they will sell in the future, not currently sold consoles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.60.28 (talk • contribs) 
:Microsoft's fiscal year runs from July 1 (this year) to June 30 (next year).  We're in the last quarter of their year - Q4. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future sales projections for Xbox 360 and Xbox One 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_million-selling_game_consoles&diff=640387186&oldid=640286157
"needs a lot of work for that to be accurate"
Care to explain it more verbosely?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.139.193.158 (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Most consoles on the list will need another source stating how long it stayed on the market, or year of discontinuation. If you could list those sources below (just paste the url, or book title with page, etc), then I can check through them and add the columns back with the references. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I used the data about discontinuation from the Wiki articles, so if there is a reference about the discontinuation in the articles of the consoles, i can only use that. BTW, what do you mean: "There is no such thing as a Megadrive on Sega." Sega Genesis is Sega Mega Drive. It's called like this on everywhere on earth, except for North America, that's where it only called Genesis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.174.94 (talk) 10:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a good idea, but the problem with lists is once you add a column or row that data will need its own source. I'll keep this conversation here as a reminder to later implement it. User Tomandjerry211 made that comment you mentioned. This list simply wikilink to whatever the article name is. « Ryūkotsusei » 17:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Meanwhile i had another idea: if we know how much years a console had run and how much it sold, then we can calculate an average "sold per year" column. Can we do that with Wiki engine automatically by dividing the two columns, or it has to be done by manually? And will this column need source too, even if the source is two other column?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.174.94 (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added lifespan end and total lifespan columns 

message: The list shows the number of sold units for the PS4 and shows the number of shipped units for the xbox one. Why is that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.164.153.85 (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Microsoft will not disclose anything more recent than shipped totals. Xbox units sold through to consumers is very outdated. « Ryūkotsusei » 19:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units shipped vs. units sold 

message: Between the Neo Geo AES, CD, Pocket, and Pocket Color, SNK easily has sold over a million units and should be placed in that box of companies which sold over a million. The strictness of what looks to be a sole individual in what constitutes a reliable source is odd. If the source stating the Neo Geo Pocket Color sold 2 million units isn't reliable enough for this page, it isn't reliable enough for the NGPC's page itself.User:Cax17 (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNK 

message: === Current generation in Italics ===
I suggest that systems that are still being sold are written in italics.189.9.20.10 (talk) 13:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, but I'm unable to use italics due to Wiki's style guidelines so a symbol will have to do. « Ryūkotsusei » 00:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I totally agree, when I saw the icon close to Nintendo 3DS, I wanted to edit with a message like "It's not because the Switch is here that it is dead" but after I saw the others PS4, WII U,... Please change the icon, there is not even a legend, you have to look at the first paragraph of the section to understand. --Pokelayton (talk) 13:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Works for me in Firefox 17, Chromium 22, and IE8 (normal and "compatibility"). Anomie⚔ 16:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Since no one else replied, I went ahead and converted the rest of the tables. Anomie⚔ 18:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Table Formatting

message: I suggest that systems that are still being sold are written in italics.189.9.20.10 (talk) 13:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, but I'm unable to use italics due to Wiki's style guidelines so a symbol will have to do. « Ryūkotsusei » 00:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current generation in Italics 

message: Currently this "†" symbol is used to indicate current systems, it looks like a cross/RIP symbol. Placing it next to the console looks like the console died. A better solution will be to use another symbol like: * or ∞ or ≈  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.171.31.33 (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, when I saw the icon close to Nintendo 3DS, I wanted to edit with a message like "It's not because the Switch is here that it is dead" but after I saw the others PS4, WII U,... Please change the icon, there is not even a legend, you have to look at the first paragraph of the section to understand. --Pokelayton (talk) 13:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the cross symbol for current consoles 

message: I've converted the first table in the article to the new HTML5 jquery.tablesorter syntax, which allows us to get rid of the CSS-hidden text in every cell in favor of sorting directly by the numbers in the column text. See the line for SG-1000/Master System for how to handle special cases.
Please test it and report any problems; if it works fine, we can convert the rest of the tables too. Anomie⚔ 16:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me in Firefox 17, Chromium 22, and IE8 (normal and "compatibility"). Anomie⚔ 16:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Since no one else replied, I went ahead and converted the rest of the tables. Anomie⚔ 18:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table sorting 

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thread_title: Part 2

message: === enough with the edit warring ===
I have fully protected the page for a few days in response to the edit war that has been going on here. I could just as easily have issued some blocks, so keep that in mind when the protection expires. If you are unable to reach a consensus through discussion here, pursue dispute resolution. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, this IP updated the sales number for a system with some random site. I put a  tag on it. When the IP removed it, I put it back and asked the IP to provide a reliable source to back it up. The IP again removed it, accused me of vandalism, and said the burden of proof was on me to show that the site was unreliable. I didn't remove the site or revert the numbers, I just put a verify tag on it. If the info is real, a reliable source like GameSpot, IGN, or Sony themselves will have the info (since the site supposedly got it from a Sony press release). TJ Spyke 22:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only exception to the edit warring policy is blatant vandalism. You are both incorrect to be accusing the other of it. This is a content dispute. Maybe try getting a third opinion. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

text: What happened to the Mega Drive/Genesis figures?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.236.18 (talk) 01:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Apparently, we're the final authority to determine whether or not PS2s were sold in 2012. Sony has been combining PS3 and PS2 figures for quite some time making it impossible to get an exact figure for either console. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I've restored it. Looks like a new editor had done a major trimming of the list without discussing with anyone. I'm against it as well. Sergecross73 msg me 10:57, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Thanks for looking out. Sergecross73 msg me 12:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Warring and Vandalism

message: I have fully protected the page for a few days in response to the edit war that has been going on here. I could just as easily have issued some blocks, so keep that in mind when the protection expires. If you are unable to reach a consensus through discussion here, pursue dispute resolution. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, this IP updated the sales number for a system with some random site. I put a  tag on it. When the IP removed it, I put it back and asked the IP to provide a reliable source to back it up. The IP again removed it, accused me of vandalism, and said the burden of proof was on me to show that the site was unreliable. I didn't remove the site or revert the numbers, I just put a verify tag on it. If the info is real, a reliable source like GameSpot, IGN, or Sony themselves will have the info (since the site supposedly got it from a Sony press release). TJ Spyke 22:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only exception to the edit warring policy is blatant vandalism. You are both incorrect to be accusing the other of it. This is a content dispute. Maybe try getting a third opinion. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  enough with the edit warring 

message: As above. I know the 360 has sold 40 million, but seriously, the source says 39 million. Change the source if you want to change the figure. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 12:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to the Mega Drive/Genesis figures?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.236.18 (talk) 01:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop changing figures without new citations 

message: This article has been protected from editing for three days to try to generate talk page discussion of the disputed content. Please follow the WP:BRD guideline. You may also wish to consider dispute resolution (WP:DR). Mark Arsten (talk) 16:40, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, we're the final authority to determine whether or not PS2s were sold in 2012. Sony has been combining PS3 and PS2 figures for quite some time making it impossible to get an exact figure for either console. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article protected 

message: I'm sorry but it feels really stupid to have this page limited to only the big three, can we maybe bring the other over 1 million sales consoles back please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.40.75.237 (talk) 09:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored it. Looks like a new editor had done a major trimming of the list without discussing with anyone. I'm against it as well. Sergecross73 msg me 10:57, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Thanks for looking out. Sergecross73 msg me 12:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who degraded the page? 

message: === 16 July 2013 ===
PrivateMasterHD (talk) 18:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What edit did you want to request? I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It is cut and dry. See the section directly above. 26 million is an unofficial, unrelated company's estimate. This list documents official sales figures. Sergecross73 msg me 18:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't think we should add Switch figures yet. They made a comment like 4 months ago that they were aiming to ship 2 million units for launch. I think we should wait until they announce how much they actually sold. Sergecross73 msg me 21:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Partly done: Agreed. I'll probably just put the device in only the first table along with a symbol indicating its a hybrid console. Thoughts? « Ryūkotsusei » 23:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that makes sense. And as your edit summary indicated, it wouldn't actually belong on there until it cracks 1 million, correct? Do we usually reject "shipped" figures and just use sold figures? (Just checking - I'm newer to actively maintaining this article.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:37, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and that was ! I use both figures. If sources later popup that greatly undermine the reported "shipped" numbers (manufacturer buyback, devices thrown out, etc), we'll add a note or something. That's more to do with discontinued products though. For Nintendo, whatever is used will always be usurped by its updated "Historical Data" report every quarter. « Ryūkotsusei » 03:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

text: VGChartz is not a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me 12:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's stupid. It is the best source available. Moreover, the data is outdated now for at leasr 2 years and PS3 is higher than XBone. If you're not working at Microsoft, you should use the best available source until someone else finds the better one 95.26.6.193 (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Declined. Better source needed. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The current consensus is that VGChartz is not a usable source on Wikipedia. As is, it cannot be added to the article. If you wish to add such a source, you'd have to change the community consensus on it. Feel free to start up a new discussion in an attempt to do so at WT:VGRS. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 15:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 00:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: The note attached to Xbox One's figures already notes that there are estimates in the 25-30 million range. -- ferret (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 09:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

text: - VG Chartz is not considered a usable or reliable source on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protected edit requests

message: PrivateMasterHD (talk) 18:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What edit did you want to request? I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  16 July 2013 

message: Xbox One sales at 26 million as of early 2017.  Current entry says 10 million, but the source is from 2014.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-sales-reach-26-million-report/1100-6447023/
Should be pretty cut and dry. 2604:2000:F843:4800:C14:60D:1DD3:21A3 (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is cut and dry. See the section directly above. 26 million is an unofficial, unrelated company's estimate. This list documents official sales figures. Sergecross73 msg me 18:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 March 2017 

message: The Nintendo Wii U is no longer a current generation console. The Nintendo Switch is, however, we don't know just how many Nintendo Switch's are sold, however, I believe Nintendo dispatched 2 million for launch on March 3rd.
What I think you should do is remove the green highlight on the Wii U and remove the # and add the Nintendo Switch as the current generation, 2017 launch, and estimated 2 million units sold, so just put 'est. 2 million.' The 2017 video gaming wiki is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_in_video_gaming#January.E2.80.93March and the official nintendo switch wiki is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch .
Here's the difficult part... handheld or home. You can put them in both or add a new hybrid section, you choose.
That concludes my request. DWFrozen (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should add Switch figures yet. They made a comment like 4 months ago that they were aiming to ship 2 million units for launch. I think we should wait until they announce how much they actually sold. Sergecross73 msg me 21:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Partly done: Agreed. I'll probably just put the device in only the first table along with a symbol indicating its a hybrid console. Thoughts? « Ryūkotsusei » 23:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that makes sense. And as your edit summary indicated, it wouldn't actually belong on there until it cracks 1 million, correct? Do we usually reject "shipped" figures and just use sold figures? (Just checking - I'm newer to actively maintaining this article.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:37, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and that was ! I use both figures. If sources later popup that greatly undermine the reported "shipped" numbers (manufacturer buyback, devices thrown out, etc), we'll add a note or something. That's more to do with discontinued products though. For Nintendo, whatever is used will always be usurped by its updated "Historical Data" report every quarter. « Ryūkotsusei » 03:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 March 2017 

message: Change data-sort-value in below markup to "26" and change the "as of" date to January 2017, i.e.:
From: Stnagy (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  27 March 2017 

message: Change PS Vita (4 million to 15.5 million) and PS3 (to 86.8 millon) sales, based on this reference: http://www.vgchartz.com/#graph_menu 2804:14C:71:23C8:F07E:E03A:E18E:BA81 (talk) 06:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: VGChartz is not a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me 12:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's stupid. It is the best source available. Moreover, the data is outdated now for at leasr 2 years and PS3 is higher than XBone. If you're not working at Microsoft, you should use the best available source until someone else finds the better one 95.26.6.193 (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Declined. Better source needed. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The current consensus is that VGChartz is not a usable source on Wikipedia. As is, it cannot be added to the article. If you wish to add such a source, you'd have to change the community consensus on it. Feel free to start up a new discussion in an attempt to do so at WT:VGRS. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 15:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  7 May 2017 

message: The area to change is here: Nintendo Switch current generation consoleshybrid video game console	Nintendo	2017	2.74 million
This area on the main chart needs the console number to be changes to at LEAST 3 Million. The info is outdated,and so change 2.74 million, to 3.64 million JohnieApp (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 00:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  24 May 2017 

message: Please update Xbox One Sales from >10 million to >26 million, as of January 2017 (See sources below) 
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-sales-reach-26-million-report/1100-6447023/
http://www.businessinsider.com/playstation-4-ps4-xbox-one-sales-2017-6?IR=T
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/reports-ps4-is-selling-twice-as-well-as-xbox-one-overall/
: Not done for now: The note attached to Xbox One's figures already notes that there are estimates in the 25-30 million range. -- ferret (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 July 2017 

message: Ibrahim Elkilany (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 09:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  27 July 2017 

message: Hello, I would like to request a change to the sales of the PS3 and the Xbox 360 consoles. They haven't been updated in awhile and I found the most recent updated sales info of them, at this website, updated somewhere in the last two years.-http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ The PS3 has sold 86.88 million worldwide and the Xbox 360 has sold 85.80 million worldwide, placing PS3 up above Xbox 360. If someone could do that, or tell me how it'd be very much appreciated. The other consoles on this list should, and can be updated as well, to give the true info. RedStinger22 (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - VG Chartz is not considered a usable or reliable source on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  30 July 2017 

message: This article puts Xbox One at 10 million units, while the Xbox One article states this sentence in the sales section with a citation: "In January 2016 the CFO of Electronic Arts reported during a financial call that the Xbox One has sold "around 18 to 19 million" units." Why is there a discrepancy? 104.171.214.188 (talk) 03:28, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The most recent official numbers is 10 million shipped units, stated by a Microsoft representative. All other statistics since then have been estimates or rumors from third parties. Microsoft has never revealed anything further. -- ferret (talk) 13:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Serge covers all the details. This is also why the very extensive note about Microsoft figures and estimates is there, to explain the situation. The table needs to show the official count, while the note covers the details of why its low and what the estimates are. The protection is because multiple editors have been dealing with reverting this for quite a while. It's been reverted literally dozens of times. -- ferret (talk) 18:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

text: While I've long been against this, I'm tired of fighting it, and the figures are wildly out of date. I've now implemented the same for Vita. Sergecross73 msg me 12:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox One sales? 

message: Since the company still refuses to share any sales information even when the Xbox One X is coming out this fiscal quarter and the growing discrepancy between the figures, I've made this change. Lack of manufacturer data happened way too early in the console life cycle instead of the tail end when sales taper off. Perhaps Microsoft will share once the console launches, but who knows. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: While I've long been against this, I'm tired of fighting it, and the figures are wildly out of date. I've now implemented the same for Vita. Sergecross73 msg me 12:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: I was just curious whether Electronic Entertainment Design and Research (EEDAR) from the NPD group would be considered a valid source for looking at lifetime worldwide hardware sales and rankings? It certainly isn't an unreliable source like VGChartz or something and we obviously accept the NPD as a source so it seems to check out to me. Any thoughts?
2601:601:D00:8FF0:205E:C6B7:CE62:4BF5 (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they're a reliable source, but much like NPD, I don't think they release exact figures very often. Sergecross73 msg me 21:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh okay, interesting. For example, if they showed data in a graph that indicated console x had sold what looks to be about, like, 35 million based on a y axis that labels by the 10 millions but doesn't say "Console x sold 34.6 million" is that enough to then say "EEDAR says console x sold more than console y"? Does that make sense? 2601:601:D00:8FF0:8877:6822:971A:DF87 (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't use data like that, without the numbers. It would represent WP:OR to interpret a graph in that matter and attribute it as a direct statement by EEDAR. I believe I've seen the graph you're referring to as well, and another issue is that we don't know what time frame the numbers applied to. -- ferret (talk) 19:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Without actual numbers, no that would violate WP:OR. Sergecross73 msg me 19:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Just out of curiosity, which part of WP:OR does that violate? If we're talking about the same graph then it can be found here on page 13. It does indicate the time that it is through (December 2016) which is well after the Xbox 360 was discontinued, if I'm not mistaken. When I saw the report, I was surprised because I thought EEDAR would be a reliable source, but I remembered this article listing Xbox 360 over PlayStation 3 in lifetime worldwide sales. To be clear, I absolutely don't think EEDAR's info should be synthesized with other more specific numbers! However the rankings seem to be incorrect based on newer info. Perhaps this source should be noted in some way in the article while the numbers don't change? I just want to make sure the article is accurate and reflecting the newest information we have! 2601:601:D00:8FF0:8877:6822:971A:DF87 (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it involves comparing two incredibly similar looking rectangles on a graph. I don't know the practical application anyways - it's going to be hard to describe in words without any actual numbers. And it can't be represented on the rankings without numbers. Sergecross73 msg me 21:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly seems to come from PS3 fans who don't want Xbox 360 to show as having sold more. It happens every couple of months with different rationales and sources (or none). The last time was in Nov, here, as an OR use of EEDAR. -- ferret (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. This isn't about being a PS3 fan, though, as I've actually never owned a PlayStation in my life, ferret. The rectangles are close, I suppose, Sergecross73, but one of them is clearly higher. It's not unclear in the graph, I don't think. I just think the practical application is that currently the article seems to show outdated information according to this reliable source. I don't think it would be too hard to write that up, actually. In the intro to the rankings a sentence can be added that indicates that the latest information available (the info from EEDAR) showed that the PS3 had sold more globally than the 360 but did not indicate specific numbers. To reiterate, I don't think that this information should be synthesized with specific numbers from the past, and I don't even really think the rankings should change considering the lack of specific numbers. But this is a reliable source and it is the most recent information, so I just think it would be most accurate to make a short note of that discrepancy. 2601:601:D00:8FF0:E162:3BF:2991:904C (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? You dont think there's going to be an issue to add a vague statement with no actual figures that directly contradicts the numbers given? And regarding a subject that fanboys constantly argue over? You can't really believe that's going to work out. Sergecross73 msg me 06:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, it's just a suggestion because the info is obviously incorrect, unfortunately. I'm not really trying to make anyone angry here. I don't think the statement would be vague. It would say, as of this date, this source noted this console outsold this console but did not provide specific sales numbers. I don't know, it seems like it'd be a pretty simple note to add. It just seems unfortunate that the article should list outdated information only and not the most recent info according to a reliable source as well just because the older info is more specific. I don't want outside arguments from Xbox or PlayStation fans or anyone to get in the way of the article providing the most accurate and up to date information that we have! That's all. 2601:601:D00:8FF0:412C:21F5:30D6:4446 (talk) 09:01, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not anger, just disbelief that you think this would work long-term. Sergecross73 msg me 13:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I don't really see why it would be untenable, yeah. But also, it just doesn't seem preferable to keep the article out of date and incorrect with no mention of it because some people might not like it.(?) A short note doesn't synthesize, provides newest info, and gives additional context. It seems like it'd make it a more complete and accurate article. 2601:601:D00:8FF0:2911:3581:2F7D:AD6E (talk) 20:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  EEDAR from NPD as a sales source?