Talk:River Oaks, Houston

message: Hi, User:RJN.  Thanks for your contributions & cleanup of the article lately! However, could you please explain your insistance on putting the term "master-planned community" in this article?  I was sort of surprised to see you just revert my change rather than discuss it here.  I have agreed that although it was "planned," the term has been redefined in modern history (specifically, master-planned) to mean something significantly different.  Accordinglly, the inclusion of that term in this article actually creates confusion and a misconception whereas removing it would not detract from the accuracy of the article. Dbchip 22:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Master Planned Community

message: I grew up in River Oaks, and the term "ROPS" was never used to describe the River Oaks Patrol.  "ROPO" was used consistently.  However, an older generation may have used the term "ROPS" before my time.  Can anyone explain where and when they heard the term "ROPS" used?
::I first heard ROPS in 2002 or 2003 and it's largely slang or a joke, but it definitely is used. Dbchip 23:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point -- I don't really know the technicalities of what defines a police department vs a security force, but I really don't think ROPO has a police department in the sense that I don't think they have arrest privileges or carry weapons.  However, they take their job pretty seriously and are quite rigorous; it might be appropriate to remove the term "police department" but try to explain that they department is more than rent-a-cops or a neighborhood watch program. Dbchip 23:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROPS 

message: Although Somno has already indicated his intention to review this article, I will offer some comments. Unfortunately, this article is a long way from meeting the Good Article criteria. At this point, I would classify it as Start-class. The lead section is too short, the article order is all over the place, and doesn't comply with guidelines for city articles. Most sections have very little text, indicating serious problems with the completeness criterion. I see a couple of external links within the article text, which should only be found in 'external links'.
I would strongly encourage editors to take a look at the WikiProject Cities' guideline for US cities. Also, take a look at WP:LEAD for help on writing a good lead section that offers an adequate summary of the article. Part of the lead issues could be addressed by simply eliminating the 'overview' section header, and moving that up to lead (simple wikification).
At present, this article is little more than a listing of trivial bits of information on the community, and not a GA. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article does not meet GA status at this time, but I still want to give it a detailed review to help the editor(s) along. (Also, it'd be her intention to review, not his :) Just as a heads up, WhisperToMe, much of the stuff I'll suggest will be the same as what I suggested for Gulfton. Somno (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, Dr. Cash and Somno :) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a few changes, hopefully for a better chance at GA. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 07:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks, I will work on some of the recommendations later this afternoon. Postoak (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Wish I could make a map like the obe you referenced! Anyway, aome of the recommendations are complete, still some to go. Need help with adding the dates to the refs. I'm not sure about adding an infobox. River Oaks is part of Houston and similar communities within the city don't have an infobox. Postoak (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Sorry for the delay in posting the review. My suggestions are below. I believe there are many issues to address before the article meets GA criteria, and it's going to be a tough ask to do that in one week. However, since the article has come a long way already, I think there's no harm in placing the article on hold for a week so you can make the changes suggested below and by Dr Cash. If you don't meet the deadline, that's OK, the article will fail but you can renominate it when you've improved it further. Good work so far.
Lead
* The lead sure has improved since I first looked at the article!
* "River Oaks is in proximity to" - I would change this to "River Oaks is close to".
* Shouldn't have references in the middle of a sentence - all should be after punctuation. You could either put a comma after 1923 in the last sentence or move the references to the end.
* An infobox would be a nice touch, maybe :Template:Infobox Settlement?
* When you have addressed the suggestions below, you should come back to the lead and rewrite it to summarise the article, per WP:LEAD.
History
* "in the following year Hogg established" - which Hogg?
* "in order to augment the development" could be replaced with "to support the development" or something similar, just to shorten and clarify?
* "William, Michael, and their sister Ima Hogg oversaw the construction of a stately southern-style home, Bayou Bend, on a 14-acre plot sitting high above Buffalo Bayou on Lazy Lane." is a very long sentence.
* "The developers took care to enhance the many parks and esplanades" is directly copied from the source - reword everything unless it's a quote. Same for "cohesive whole" in the next sentence.
* "River Oaks became a model for community planning" - a model for whom?
* "Deed restrictions at the time prohibited home prices in the community of less than $7,000 and required control in architecture," could perhaps be "Deed conditions restricted home prices to over $7,000 and specified architectural styles." or something similar?
* "usually peaceful community" - no citation for "usually peaceful", so how about just saying it "was the site of..."
* "Doris Angleton. [12]" - remove space before citation.
* Should include some more information about the growth and development of the community, as there is nothing mentioned after the 1920s except for the murders and Enron connection. I don't mean demographic information, more like the community experienced a growth period in the 1960s because more land was made available etc (I just made that up, but that's the sort of info I mean).
Geography
* You have mentioned the exact location of River Oaks in the lead, but it's not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Add a Geography section where you can expand on this information and possibly move some of the detail from the lead.
* I would also like to know more about the architecture. When were restrictions lifted? What does the community look like now - what sort of buildings and style of homes does it contain?
Demographics
* "The Houston Super Neighborhood #23 Afton Oaks/River Oaks" - what is this? Could you say "River Oaks is included in the Houston Super etc, which is..."?
* This section doesn't flow very well and information is missing. For example, average ages, income, family structure, religion, and trends and changes over time. How does River Oaks compare to the rest of Houston?
* In my experience, demographics are usually presented as percentages, not exact numbers. 
Schools and public libraries
* Split these two topics - schools should be in an Education section and the library information incorporated into another section such as Infrastructure. Correction: Library information should be included in the education section, per WP:USCITY. Dr. Cash (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I will work on some of the recommendations later this afternoon. Postoak (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Wish I could make a map like the obe you referenced! Anyway, aome of the recommendations are complete, still some to go. Need help with adding the dates to the refs. I'm not sure about adding an infobox. River Oaks is part of Houston and similar communities within the city don't have an infobox. Postoak (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: I want to say that River Oaks is within the Houston Community College System, but how do I make a section that is not too stubby? Should I add that RO is close to University of St. Thomas and Rice University? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Wish there were more to add during this period, very quiet. Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: done Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: This was revised, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Resequenced, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Nothing specific to RO can I find! Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, he is notable and has his own article. Link fixed Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: COrrected Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Personally, I think the zip code sentence in the lead (which could have been moved to another section and was overlooked) and the one malformed reference is all that prevented this article from being GA. Postoak (talk) 06:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Once you and I make the changes, all we need to do is renominate this :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I already made both changes. The zip code sentence was moved to demographics and the lead was slightly revised. I don't think the demographic section needs expansion, but maybe you can find something to add. There really isn't much additional history to report. The ref was expanded. Culture, well they're all rich and live in mansions. Tilman J. Fertitta is notable. Postoak (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't already, please take a look at the guideline for US cities as suggested by Derek.cashman above for more information about what to include. Based on the information I've provided about why the article has failed, I'm not sure why you think it's just a matter of the zip code and one reference? The article needs to be broad, and at the moment it's not broad enough. There are also issues with the lead. Both of these are essential requirements for a good article. Best of luck, Somno (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have looked at the guideline and I'm well aware what it takes to get a city article to be featured status. This is a community/neighborhood within Houston and is almost impossible to develop and expand as if it was a city. The lead was revised so that it summarizes the article. In any event, if someone else wishes to continue the GA process here, then good luck to them. Furthermore, please review the lead and content of Washington Park, Chicago (neighborhood) which I believe is an equivalent neighborhood article to River Oaks and is a good article. There are elements in the lead (median income and residents living below poverty level) of this article nowhere to be found in the body. If you review WP:USCITY and then compare the two articles, you will see the River Oaks article follows the guideline more closely when it comes to the suggested sections. Which article do you think is more broad? Postoak (talk) 08:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess no response to my concerns above by the reviewer. Anyway, I made a few adjustments and will renominate the article. Postoak (talk) 05:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, hadn't checked this talk page in a couple of days. Definitely agree that it's different to a city article, and the Demographics section has improved with some comparisons made to the whole of Houston. You still need to fix some of the references - I just pointed out number 31 because it was the worst. For example, number 2 has "MSN Money" in the title of the article - it should be in the publisher field. Otherwise, looks good and is close to passing in my humble opinion. Actually, I would pass it, but I won't be the GA reviewer this time so you can get some more feedback from another editor. :) Somno (talk) 14:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will go back and recheck the references. Thanks for your help, Postoak (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, glad I could be of assistance. You and WhisperToMe have done a great job with this article - crazy how much it's improved since I first looked at it! ;) Somno (talk) 01:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Revised references, thanks  again! Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Yay, congrats! :) Somno (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Community colleges

message: It's not quite at GA standard yet, unfortunately. The broadness criterion is not met because some information is still missing, and the lead doesn't meet the guidelines. There has been a huge improvement in this article, and at this rate, it'll be a Good Article soon. Please renominate when you feel you've addressed the issues below and great work so far!
Lead
*The lead still does not summarise the article and needs expansion. For example, it doesn't say how the community was established. It also mentions some info that's not elsewhere in the article, for example, that it's one of the wealthiest zip codes in the country. Refer to WP:LEAD for more info.
: Corrected, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wish there were more to add during this period, very quiet. Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: done Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: This was revised, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Resequenced, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Nothing specific to RO can I find! Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, he is notable and has his own article. Link fixed Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: COrrected Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Personally, I think the zip code sentence in the lead (which could have been moved to another section and was overlooked) and the one malformed reference is all that prevented this article from being GA. Postoak (talk) 06:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Once you and I make the changes, all we need to do is renominate this :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I already made both changes. The zip code sentence was moved to demographics and the lead was slightly revised. I don't think the demographic section needs expansion, but maybe you can find something to add. There really isn't much additional history to report. The ref was expanded. Culture, well they're all rich and live in mansions. Tilman J. Fertitta is notable. Postoak (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't already, please take a look at the guideline for US cities as suggested by Derek.cashman above for more information about what to include. Based on the information I've provided about why the article has failed, I'm not sure why you think it's just a matter of the zip code and one reference? The article needs to be broad, and at the moment it's not broad enough. There are also issues with the lead. Both of these are essential requirements for a good article. Best of luck, Somno (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have looked at the guideline and I'm well aware what it takes to get a city article to be featured status. This is a community/neighborhood within Houston and is almost impossible to develop and expand as if it was a city. The lead was revised so that it summarizes the article. In any event, if someone else wishes to continue the GA process here, then good luck to them. Furthermore, please review the lead and content of Washington Park, Chicago (neighborhood) which I believe is an equivalent neighborhood article to River Oaks and is a good article. There are elements in the lead (median income and residents living below poverty level) of this article nowhere to be found in the body. If you review WP:USCITY and then compare the two articles, you will see the River Oaks article follows the guideline more closely when it comes to the suggested sections. Which article do you think is more broad? Postoak (talk) 08:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess no response to my concerns above by the reviewer. Anyway, I made a few adjustments and will renominate the article. Postoak (talk) 05:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, hadn't checked this talk page in a couple of days. Definitely agree that it's different to a city article, and the Demographics section has improved with some comparisons made to the whole of Houston. You still need to fix some of the references - I just pointed out number 31 because it was the worst. For example, number 2 has "MSN Money" in the title of the article - it should be in the publisher field. Otherwise, looks good and is close to passing in my humble opinion. Actually, I would pass it, but I won't be the GA reviewer this time so you can get some more feedback from another editor. :) Somno (talk) 14:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will go back and recheck the references. Thanks for your help, Postoak (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, glad I could be of assistance. You and WhisperToMe have done a great job with this article - crazy how much it's improved since I first looked at it! ;) Somno (talk) 01:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Revised references, thanks  again! Postoak (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Yay, congrats! :) Somno (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final review

message: *Ivins, Molly. "Feds attack free speech." (opinion) The Bryan Times. Wednesday August 8, 2001. p. 4. Google News 4 of 13.
While referring to "white trash" wealthy murder cases Ivins asks "does River Oaks have an unusually high murder rate or does it just seem that way?" - It seems like she was half kidding (RO doesn't seriously have a high crime rate), but was trying to say that there were several high profile "white trash" rich people murders in that community - Also, I am aware that for opinion columns generally it's okay for reporting on opinions, but not so much on facts
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Molly Ivins and River Oaks

message: Hi, Sandcherry. From my experience editing here, it's quite okay to post opinions. Opinions about topics and subjects are documented on Wikipedia. Articles should document the viewpoints in addition to the hard facts. Now, they have to be cited.
The problem with removing opinions is that people are then going to try to insert commonly held views/ideas about a place or thing, but it's not referenced, and that degrades the article. When you have journalist quotes/quotes from book authors talking about how they view a place or what the significance of a place is, it adds to an article. It states what people think.
People perceive of River Oaks as being a symbol of hyper-capitalism. That needs to be documented in the article.
WhisperToMe (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Excessive precision removed via Wiki area calculator. Sandcherry (talk) 00:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

text: As it should be. Sandcherry (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits regarding "opinions"

message: I'm waiting to see if there are other RSes that mention this business, but the River Oaks Plant House was ranked "Best Florist - 2010" by the Houston Press.
*"River Oaks Plant House." Houston Press.
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: River Oaks Plant House

message: Is the inclusion of Doris Angleton's murder warranted?  She is described as a "socialite" (a loose term in River Oaks?) in her Wiki article and was married to a bookie who was later convicted.  She has a Wiki article, but I can not find anything particulalrly notable about her other than her murder (alledgedly by her brother-in-law) which happened to occur in River Oaks. Sandcherry (talk) 23:24, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Doris Angleton murder

message: Cyberbot II has detected that page contains external links that have either been globally or locally blacklisted.
Links tend to be blacklisted because they have a history of being spammed, or are highly innappropriate for Wikipedia.
This, however, doesn't necessarily mean it's spam, or not a good link.
If the link is a good link, you may wish to request whitelisting by going to the request page for whitelisting.
If you feel the link being caught by the blacklist is a false positive, or no longer needed on the blacklist, you may request the regex be removed or altered at the blacklist request page.
If the link is blacklisted globally and you feel the above applies you may request to whitelist it using the before mentioned request page, or request it's removal, or alteration, at the request page on meta.
When requesting whitelisting, be sure to supply the link to be whitelisted and wrap the link in nowiki tags.
The whitelisting process can take its time so once a request has been filled out, you may set the invisible parameter on the tag to true.
Please be aware that the bot will replace removed tags, and will remove misplaced tags regularly.
Below is a list of links that were found on the main page:
*http://www.articlesbase.com/non-fiction-articles/living-in-river-oaks-makes-a-statement-152079.html
*:Triggered by \barticles(?:base|vana)\.com\b on the global blacklist
If you would like me to provide more information on the talk page, contact User:Cyberpower678 and ask him to program me with more info.
From your friendly hard working bot.—cyberbot II NotifyOnline 15:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page 

message: I came across this article while reading about Fastow and am confused.  This article cites Fastow as a "Notable Resident" of this neighborhood and cites an article that says he sold his house many years ago, so he's not a resident.   Shouldn't he be removed?  Or should WP break up the historical vs current residents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
* Hi! Not a lot of people check the talk pages! Anyway, I don't believe former residents (whether they moved away or whether they died) should be removed. Current vs. former could be done, but it could take a bit of work to maintain that. It may be better to just clarify that the list has both current and former residents. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew Fastow

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on River Oaks, Houston. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Attempted to fix sourcing for //http:/moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/forbes/P62020.asp
*Attempted to fix sourcing for //http:/www.visithoustontexas.com/media/neighborhoods/River_Oaks
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20080705042113/http://www.ropo.org/THE%20RIVER%20OAKS%20FOUNDATION%20-%20NEWSLETTER.htm to http://www.ropo.org/THE%20RIVER%20OAKS%20FOUNDATION%20-%20NEWSLETTER.htm
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20080828040446/http://www.rocohouston.org/mission.html to http://www.rocohouston.org/mission.html
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20080907043552/http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/cc-riveroaks.html to http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/cc-riveroaks.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 05:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The claim that houses are valued "from $1 million to over $20 million" is sort of a ridiculous range.  What is the actual upper end and why not say that?  Why give a range if there's no upper end at all?  Technically "from 1 to over 20" is as accurate as just saying "more than a million" since there's no upper end.  Since tax assessments are questionable, it might be best to just look at the last five years (or whatever) of sales and include that range.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryguy214 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Crazy Range

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 27 external links on River Oaks, Houston. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hpr01
*Corrected formatting/usage for https://http/www.visithoustontexas.com/media/neighborhoods/River_Oaks
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.chron.com/homes/article/Houston-s-20-most-expensive-neighborhoods-5781376.php
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ropo.org/neighbor.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ropo.org/neighbor.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ropo.org/neighbor.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for https://http/moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/forbes/P62020.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110903054948/http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/ourparks/ourparksA-F.html to http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/ourparks/ourparksA-F.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120711031532/http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b591745faf105110VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=245b2f796138c010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD to http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b591745faf105110VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=245b2f796138c010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120406231336/http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectEnglish/Home/Board%20of%20Education/Trustees/BoardDistrict_7Map.pdf to http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectEnglish/Home/Board%20of%20Education/Trustees/BoardDistrict_7Map.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080411011944/http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/schoolboundarymaps/LanierMS.pdf to http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/schoolboundarymaps/LanierMS.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110928085440/http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/SchoolBoundaryMaps/LamarHS.pdf to http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/schoolboundarymaps/LamarHS.pdf
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ropo.org/schools1.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://ropo.org/map.html
*Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/5yrYtaLbI?url=http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0afe09c28afc3110VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD to http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0afe09c28afc3110VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=2e2b2f796138c010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/education/article/White-enrollment-inches-up-in-HISD-5222215.php
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.houston.isd.tenet.edu/MAX.HTM
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.houstonlibrary.org/planning/looscan_ren.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110615061953/http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-08-23/news/judging-books-and-their-covers%26page%3D11/ to http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-08-23/news/judging-books-and-their-covers%26page%3D11
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080509085149/http://www.hcp4.net/commissioner/index.htm to http://www.hcp4.net/commissioner/index.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080602160403/http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/pdf/districts/134.pdf to http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/pdf/districts/134.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110628202736/http://www.senate.state.tx.us/Icons/Dist_Maps/Dist13_Map.pdf to http://www.senate.state.tx.us/Icons/Dist_Maps/Dist13_Map.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060417175329/http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/preview/congdist/TX07_109.gif to http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/preview/congdist/tx07_109.gif
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081031074654/http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/Pdfs/METRO-System-Map.pdf to http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/Pdfs/METRO-System-Map.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080626141043/http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/Pdfs/METRO-Galleria-Uptown-Map.pdf to http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/Pdfs/METRO-Galleria-Uptown-Map.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100712205517/http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/BusSched.aspx to http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/BusSched.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110928132007/http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/programs/2007/12/08/high_society_in_hous.html to http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/programs/2007/12/08/high_society_in_hous.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm posting block book maps made by the Harris County government on Wikipedia talk pages for Houston neighborhoods. These may be useful in determining the River Oaks boundaries (whether a house is/was in River Oaks or not), and/or for verification of other matters related to River Oaks. It's possible not all the records were made/survived as Section 2 isn't listed at all and only some blocks of Section 1 are listed. Anyway:
River Oaks Key Map (PDF and JPG)
* Section 1:
** Blocks 31-33: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0133.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0133.jpg
** Blocks 34-37: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0134.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0134.jpg
** Blocks 38-41: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0135.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0135.jpg
** Blocks 42-47: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0136.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0136.jpg
** Block 54: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0138.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0138.jpg
** Block 55: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0139.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0139.jpg
** Block 55 (again): http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0140.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0140.jpg
* Section 3: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0137.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0137.jpg
* RIVER OAKS 1 BLK 26/Section 4:
** For some reason 315A Subdivision Block 26 and Fourth Subdivision were listed twice, once as Section 1 26 and once as Section 4
** Fourth Subdivision: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0128.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0128.jpg - Indicates Rebecca Meter Park and a planned shopping center
** 315A Subdivision Block 26: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0129.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0129.jpg
* Section 5: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0131.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0131.jpg - Mary Elliott Park indicated
* Section 6: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0130.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0130.jpg
* Section 7 (for some reason these are also listed as "River Oaks 12"):
** Blocks 57-60: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0142.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0142.jpg
** Blocks 61-66: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0143.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0143.jpg
* Section 8:
** Blocks 67-69: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0144.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0144.jpg
** Blocks 70-73: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0145.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0145.jpg - Indicates River Oaks Park (municipal)
* Section 9: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0146.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0146.jpg
* Section 10: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0152.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0152.jpg
* Section 11: http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0153.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0153.jpg - Park surrounded by Del Monte indicated
* Section 12 (for some reason this is also listed as "River Oaks 7"): http://books.tax.hctx.net/BlockBooksPDF/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0141.pdf and http://books.tax.hctx.net/v060/AE1997_Vol_60_0141.jpg
WhisperToMe (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a really good offline secondary source on River Oaks: Cheryl Caldwell Ferguson, Highland Park and River Oaks: The Origins of Garden Suburban Community Planning in Texas (Austin: University of Texas Press), 2014. If I can find the time, I can reread the book and see how well it defines the boundaries of River Oaks. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 10:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good to know! There's even a Wikipedia article about the book itself: Highland Park and River Oaks WhisperToMe (talk) 17:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting that there is an article about the book, yet the book has not been used as a source for the article about River Oaks. The Highland Park, Texas article mentions it as further reading, but does not cite it to support Wikipedia content.Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harris County block book maps 

message: Langdon-CUmmings House https://www.houstontx.gov:443/planning/HistoricPres/landmarks/14L297_2131_Troon.pdf
Everett Seale house https://www.houstontx.gov:443/planning/HistoricPres/landmarks/08L199_Dr_Everett_Seale_House_3408_Ella_Lee.pdf
WhisperToMe (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo idea 

message: Many of these citations are over a decade old and the information is out of date. A quick review of the article reveals that the garden is not being weeded. I will help out where I can. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 10:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Online sources:
* Elites and Urban Planning: Houston's River Oaks
* Oaks: 1920s Suburban Planning and Development (JSTOR)
Offline source:
* Cheryl Caldwell Ferguson, Highland Park and River Oaks: The Origins of Garden Suburban Community Planning in Texas (Austin: University of Texas Press), 2014. 
Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 11:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for improving the article

message: Part and parcel of how poorly this article is being maintained: the buses serving River Oaks were using wrong route numbers and names. Metro changed these in August 2013. Who is ready to update and maintain this article? Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 18:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Only seven years ago