Talk:European Civil War

message: If you want to use this theory, include Balcanic wars 1912 and 1913, without them is difficult to understand the start of WW1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.92.244 (talk) 13:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put the word "state" in quotation marks in the section arguing in favour of the case that the conflicts of 1870-1945 were in fact a "European civil war". This is because no one -- international law, academics, the EU itself -- seriously considers the EU to be a state in the traditional sense of the word and the term is only used because no other suitable one exists. --Todeswalzer 19:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comments 

message: I'd just like to put this out there, but if a series of wars, between people who had not been politically united in 1000 years is a civil war, then what war isn't a civil war? Couldn't we then classify the past 10000 years of Human history as being part of the Human Civil War?(Lucas(CA) (talk) 03:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What isn't a Civil War? 

message: I'm pretty sure the historiography of this article is off. It indicates the concept originated in the 80s and 90s. However see the article Second Thirty Years War which says that term originated in 1946, one year after the end of WWII. Of course "Thirty Years" is not the same as "Civil War", but in concept they are the same, which  is really what is important. My guess is discussions of European Civil War have been around since soon after the end of WWII. Fothergill Volkensniff IV (talk) 04:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historiography 

message: As another user has pointed out, this isn't in ANY definition of a Civil War. This article declares every war, ever, to be a civil war by it's logic. Even in this ridiculous understanding, the United States was fighting a "civil war" during WW1 and WW2.
Everything in this article is already addressed in other articles or articles of their own. There is absolutely no need for this ridiculous, typically Americocentric view of the world. 203.206.11.64 (talk) 04:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Article has serious WP:RS and WP:ORIGINAL issues. Still no source for the term 'European Civil War' six years after the article was created. Let alone what the term is all about.--JacksonKnight 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: IF this has existed ("the European Civil War"), the origin would be 
* the Revolutionary/Coalition/Bonnaparte/Napoletanic Wars or
* the Thirty Years War 1618-48 or
* the Hundered Year war
* the wars of the Roman Empire against Greece , Carthago etc
History doesn't just begin at a chosen point. However there is a connection between the World Wars. And a connection between WW1 and the Franco-Prussian war. And a connection between that war and the Napoleon wars etc. I think that by the very least the title should be changed. Wars between nations doesn't count as "civil wars". Europe isn't like North America - one might just travel 100 km to suddenly not understand the language, one need a different currency, the food is different and even the road signs may differ. I.o.w. Europe is not a nation, even if f.i. football (real football, played with the feet) is an example of common understanding.  Boeing720 (talk) 10:24, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  IF this has existed, the origin would be 

message: This is possibly the first section of this talk page that isn't speculation or WP:ORIGINAL, so I'll keep this short and sweet.
The "The supporting case" and it's counterpart should not be part of this article. It breaks 3 & 4 of WP:NOT#FORUM by showing arguments rather than facts, and, depending on the original authors' POV, could be breaking WP:SOAP.
However, I don't want this to go to AfD, as it is a good article in other respects, and it clearly describes the term and its applications.
Would like to see some response, otherwise I will simply delete the offending sections.
A Sentient Sock (talk) 05:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , OK, gonna start cleaning it. I get the feeling someone may start an edit war though...A Sentient Sock (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a better idea. I'll bring it up on the European History WikiProject, and see what they have to say about it.A Sentient Sock (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections that violate WP policy (Probably) 

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