Talk:Indian martial arts

message: Here is a citation that can be added to the article; the first paragraph states:
:"A former factory worker from the British Midlands may be the last living master of the centuries-old Sikh battlefield art of shastar vidya. The father of four is now engaged in a full-time search for a successor."
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— Loadmaster (talk) 17:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shastar vidya, a dying art 

message: There is this :File:INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF SQAY2.pdf uploaded to Wikimedia Commons which really does not belong there as it is a media repository, not a place for text documents (I’ll be filing for its deletion soon). It should be moved to Wikibooks or Wikisource, maybe, but some of its information might be used in this article and/or in a separate Sqay article. Tuvalkin (talk) 03:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wanting to create a sqay article for a year already. This should prove useful. Morinae (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sqay 

message: Please also add Bandesh, Niyuddha, Ayuddha and others lesser known arts :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.215.92 (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those arts all belong to South East Asian countries and aren't Indian.--Birdtread (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There actually is a mention of bandesh here. Ayuddha just means weapon. Morinae (talk) 10:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem. How can you possibly know anything about these obscure names of martial arts apart from through Google? I could say these arts are from Italy and you could say they are from India. Or we could agree, based on a single word in Draeger, that they are Indian. Then I could say they are from a tribe in the foothills of the Himalayas, you could say they belong to a Sufi cult. Unless you have been exposed to all these arts and have research to share? This whole article is just a series of anonymous assertions with no sources to back them up. If we allow this article, and add all those arts as Indian martial arts without references, by the same logic we should allow more articles headed Pakistan martial arts, Bingo martial arts, Goan martial arts, Nepali martial arts, etc.? Ayuddha just means weapon, so should we include it in a separate article on "Weapons in martial arts"? --Birdtread (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to be frank, I didn't understand a thing you just said. Are we arguing here? I didn't say we need to add anything. A user made a request and I replied. I never use google for reference or research. The words mentioned have nothing to do with Southeast Asia. I think you must be confusing bandesh with Burmese bando. And as a matter of fact, I have been "exposed" to bandesh in person but I try not to add anything from personal experience since that would be original research. Morinae (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  While you may have been trying to be helpful, your latest round of layman edits has merely butchered the article further. You have made assertions about things you haven't established by proofs or evidence and which are actually contradicted by statements elsewhere in the article (such as the "connotation of BLADED weapon" as the definition of shastra), and provided "references" that don't say what you think they say (i.e. they don't support the claims being made). Apart from your exposure to bandesh and Irish martial arts, are you a Sanskrit scholar to fill us in on the definition of "shastra", which is used even in the present day to refer to all weapons including firearms and naval battleships? Just stop, please stop.. Thanks to your well-intended interventions, this Wikipedia page has zero credibility. We don't need any more "helpfulness" with this article, thanks. We need information backed up with authentic references about the very specific claims made. I note you have removed half my citation needed tags. I do try to assume good faith but if that doesn't work it would help if you could let me know where you're coming from and what your angle is. Don't remove my "citation needed" tags again without explaining your reasons here first. --Birdtread (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Others 

message: The book has just One rating aswell as having poor sources to back up it's claims, the writer of the book (Christopher-Fernandes), gives warnings at the start of his book claiming he is basically not responsible for any errors he has made which tells me he himself is unsure of his own work.
Shall we just scrap it and instead make a list of south martial arts, north martial arts, east and so on, it would beef up the page.92.236.96.38 (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That section had previously been a list. I changed it to its current form because not all areas have a specific name for their fighting arts like Tamil silambam or Keralan kalaripayat. For example, Karnataka has its own style of sword fighting and stick fighting, but I am not aware of a name for Kannada martial arts as a whole. Having the section in paragraph form allows us to include information on any regional style and not have to think of convenient names for them. And as for the book, I acknowledge it's not a very authoritative source. But it's the same with newspaper and magazine articles. In fact, many books on martial arts don't have any references other than the author's own knowledge. The book in question isn't being used to backup some contentious claims, but just some basic information. Regardless of whether the author is an expert or not, I think this stuff is pretty basic even if he wrote from the perspective of a casual observer. Morinae (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are you sure about "Systems" ? its' Ref seems amature backed information, he says this she says that, word of mouth ect as its sources 

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message: I have mentioned about kalaripayattu at the top and bottom of the page that kalaripayattu is the mother of all martial arts in India.  Can anyone help me if there is any mistake.Glandmos (talk) 08:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the sources you cited are plainly unreliable. The ones that are reliable identify the accounts as legends and not history - that is your mistake. MrOllie (talk) 12:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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