Talk:Countdown to Final Crisis

message: On the Ra's al Ghul entry there some debate about this entry...
In the first teaser image released for the weekly 
series Countdown showed Batman wearing a long robed version of his batsuit, and carrying a long saber.   
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- In a DC Nation column, Dan DiDio stated: Batman, in symbolic garb, wields the sword which harkens the return of a deadly foe.   
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- In a Newsarama interview, DiDio also said that the sword is from a famous cover of Batman. The cover in question is from Batman #244, by artist Neal Adams. It depicts the sword in Batman's chest with Ra's standing over him, and yellow bold letters state "THE DEMON LIVES AGAIN!"  
I recognise that this is not a forum - but I did think that this might of of some interest to those who are updating the 'behind the scenes' aspects of this entry. (unsigned post from User:81.106.192.55)
:A rather nice piece of detective work, User81. I think you are probably right. As you might have noticed, a lot of conversation in this page has surrounded the usage and interpretation on the scant confirmation of suppositions of what DC is doing. Maybe you can find a quote from someone at DC (or a relaible, non forum- or blog-type) to confirm your suspicions? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note...  Starting with the solicit for Robin #168... - J Greb 19:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. There is no definite citation that states the way the characters are portrayed in the teaser images is how they will appear in Countdown itself. It is quite possible if Ra's Al Ghul is set to return that he may not return within the Countdown series itself, but rather return due to events set in motion in Countodwn. 192.76.82.90 12:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Return of Ra's Al Ghul? 

message: Has this article ever had a section for it?  I think it should, especially to see how it stacks up against other major events.  Notthegoatseguy 14:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. Countdown's poor/controversial reception should be discussed.~ZytheTalk to me! 22:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If verifiable sources exist, certainly. However, it should be noted that if sales pick up or if the general view of the final product goes up later. John Carter 22:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Reception and Sales 

message: I don't normally comment -- maybe someones already on top of this (and knows what material got accidentally cut in the process from the end of K.K. and start of M.). 67.109.118.2 21:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone forgot to close a reference tag.~ZytheTalk to me! 22:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karate Kid section and Monarch section seem to have accidentally become fused 

message: It is noteworthy that this phrase has never appeared in the comic book stories.  A reference for its first use would be useful; was it a Dan Didio editorial, some fannish website. or somewhere semi-official?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.188.30 (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In this week's edition of Countdown to Final Crisis (#20) the Jason Todd and Donna Troy chapter is labeled as "The Challengers". While it may not be word for word "Challengers of the Beyond", "The Challengers" may be a reasonable title for the section, as they are challenging many things, including themselves, the Monitors, the Monarch, Ray Plamer's wishes, etc. Hazardous Matt (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I updated the section to read "The Challengers: Donna Troy, Jason Todd and Kyle Rayner". I thought it would be important to list the party members as well, as DC had only recently referred to them collectively. Hazardous Matt (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challengers of the Beyond 

message: I think that there's a more useful way to group these sections, but they'd have to be rewritten a bit.  If they were more thematic and less specific we could group them as, say, four major plots instead of eight sub-plots.  I suggest Apokolips and the Monitors are the major plots which would tie in most of the others, except maybe Donna Troy, Jason Todd, Trickster, and Piper.  Having just the two major plots and two major subplots would make this article a lot more readable...especially as it's in development. --In Defense of the Artist 13:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that, since this clearly eclectic story is all over the road, we might have to wait to see what the writers were actually trying to accomplish. In retrospect, its easier to follow the major plot as seen as a whole, rather than the dancing monkeys of Jason and GL's clear dislike for each other, etc. I think that because the segue's are not very consistent, we should keep things focused on the characters for now, and afterward, we will know how to better structure it. We cannot allow our own perceptions of what the themes are to color the article. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed some overlapping between the chapters. If I recall, the storyline originally went by issue, which didn't serve that well for the individual plotlines. The current model worked for a while, but with the stories overlapping there's going to be quite a bit of redundancy. I feel there is a better format that could be used, but unfortunately I doubt we'll be able to discover it until the story is almost done. Hazardous Matt (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: There is an error riddled throughout the plot section: Cite error: Invalid tag; name cannot be a simple integer, use a descriptive title. 192.76.82.89 (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, it seemed to be on every page for a while. Must've been system-wide. 192.76.82.89 (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Error 

message: This article includes sales figues but no account as to how the series has been critically recieved. I think this would be a worthwhile addition if anybody has the time.
BTW - is it any good?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.190.125 (talk) 14:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing to write home about, but it's strangely compelling.~ZytheTalk to me! 23:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've seen, the reception of this book comes and goes with each issue, seeing as its slowly piecing a story together. Once the story is done, then perhaps critical reception should be added. Hazardous Matt (talk) 16:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a year, should we add that section yet?72.185.219.30 (talk) 08:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Reaction 

message: It starts with them sending a Forerunner... and then halfway into the giant paragraph narrating events, then again discusses them sending a Forerunner.  I don't have the issues to clean this all up properly, but, wow.  And why are there no less than eleven footnotes/citations at the end of one sentence?  Overkill much?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.206.11 (talk) 04:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I only see it becoming more complicated as the stories begin to bleed together, such as Mary Marvel/Holly & Harley, the Monitors/The Challengers/Superman-Prime. Also, I think some of the less essential details can be removed from several parts of the story synopsis. Perhaps instead of isolating the story by groups of people it should return to one linear plotline, after some trimming, that is. Hazardous Matt (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that it may be too soon, but I feel it is an inevitability. Plus there are some words here and there that can be removed, and some sentences that can be re-written for length to help trim up the sections.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazardous Matt (talk • contribs) 16:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monitors section a mess

message: I can't edit the "Sales Figures" section without deleting the Notes and External Links.  Any suggestions?  Ccm043 (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales Figures 

message: I know I've mentioned story orginization before, but since we've done some merging of storylines already, would it be prudent to combine Darkseid with the Monitors information? It's confusing to have one section updated and not the other. Conversely, to update both sections with the same information would be redundant. Hazardous Matt (talk) 22:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, "Darkseid, Monarch and the Monitors" would encapsulate the Monarch/SMP/chess storylines very well.~ZytheTalk to me! 12:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darkseid / Monitors 

message: I noticed the Mary Marvel "Seduction of the Innocent" listing now reads that Mary is flanked by Granny Goodness. I've never seen an ad with Eclipso, Mary and Granny. Can someone verify this?  Hazardous  Matt  15:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotions 

message: So, after reading the entire story, I think we have a better way to organize this information. All the characters come together at the end, so we don't really need to separate sections in the long run. I think we can actually break down a lot of the early, stand-alone chapters into a few sentences (not that much happend on two pages per person, or so) and actually work the story in a linear sense. It may take some work, but if we sort the plotlines chronologically we can probably get the summary down to a decent, readable size and eliminate some erroneous detail. I'll try to work on this in my Sandbox over the weekend, if anyone's confused as to what I'm trying to suggest.  Hazardous  Matt  13:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-organization 

message: Does anyone think the main image should be the cover for #1? It just seems more representative of the series, since it features the main characters, as opposed to #51 which shows the entire DCU. --DrBat (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image? 

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replies: text: Done. There are a couple of minor points that could do with sourcing but over all it looks solid. (Emperor (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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