Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 1a

message: The photo on the main page is not Abu Abbas and must be changed. Adam 06:16, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: Can someone replace the Spanish flag on the Main page with this one by User:Pfortuny? Miguel 18:19, 2004 Mar 11 (UTC)
:Did you miss the edit link at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page? It is under the current version box. --mav 07:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: : Hurricane Ivan, now a tropical depression, brings flooding rains to the Southern U.S. Ivan has already pummeled Alabama and Florida with high winds and flooding rains, causing extensive structural damage, and leaving 1.5 million customers without electricity and at least 33 dead.
Is there a reason why we consider structural damage and loss of electricity to be more important than human lives? Sorry, just me being my obsessively pedantic self, although I do worry that others may think this report was trying to use logical development. Should the loss of human life be listed first? - Icurite 04:30, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lives or lights? 

message: may I draw to your attention  which seems a fairly good write up - two pages in the G2 supplement to Tuesday's paper. Thought this should have a link on the main page.. dave souza 22:46, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia feature in the Guardian

message: The sentence "John Kerry is still waiting on the decisive count of votes in Ohio before conceding" seems to me to suggest that Kerry *will* eventually concede. That does not seem to be a neutral position. "John Kerry is still waiting on the decisive count of votes in Ohio before deciding whether or not to concede" would be less biased. --Palnatoke 15:23, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "before conceding"? 

message: I've removed the following text from the guidelines, as it was not properly discussed prior to addition.
:IMPORTANT: There should not be more than one headline relating to the same country, including the actions of that country when it occupies another. Please take the time to find news headlines from under-publicized regions as this helps to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia.
I personally object to this addition to the policy.  If the two most important events in the world right now happen to be happening in the same country, we shouldn't tie our hands and not be able to promote our articles on both. Gentgeen 23:21, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, the two most important events in the world, if not all of them, will keep happening in the same country if the new guideline is not followed. It is meant to help idiots out of a psychological loop - that what is important is what they see on the news, forgetting that other people decide for them what is important. I don't want to continue a long tired discussion with newcomers to the topic - people less perturbed than Gentgeen are encouraged to look at the Template's talk page or the Village Pump (miscellaneous section). -- Simonides 12:23, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you find links to these articles if you want that addition included.  This (and ITN) has now been protected until you can support your amendment with a community decision. violet/riga (t) 23:31, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  addition that was removed 

message: How important is it that this Dan Rather is resigning? I have never heard of him or seen him, so I don't know if he may be important in some way, but it doesn't sound very important to me. --Dyss 08:45, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See Template talk:In the news, where this is being discussed at some length... -- ChrisO 08:59, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. It seems to have died down by now (not that strange, considering the time) though. --213.84.36.18 20:38, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  News Anchor guy 

message: i oppose use of non-wikipedia links on the "In the news section on the Main Page" page, *even* if it is to a sister project like wikinews. Kingturtle 20:56, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links 

message: When I went to add something to In the news today, after many months (maybe a year) since my last addition, I was surprised how hard it was to find this page, and the instruction creep that has ensued. This is not to say the system is flawed, but I'm surprised by how convoluted it's become. Fuzheado | Talk 00:56, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small crit 

message: Jack Abramoff, a key figure in a scandal related to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, is indicted on wire fraud charges.
News like this needs a country like is done with Sri Lankan Foreign Minister Lakshman Kadirgamar is shot dead by a sniper in Colombo. and Salva Kiir Mayardit is sworn in as the Vice-President of Sudan, succeeding the late John Garang.. We don't expect people to know the foreign minister of shri lanka or the vice-president of sudan but we need to know that news about some lobbyist comes from the united states by recognizing his name?
Someone with the privileges to do so should edit it. --62.251.90.73 00:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: US-Centered

message: The photo being used of Harriet Miers is not recent. I am switching it to a photo of this week. Kingturtle 23:56, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  photo of Harriet Miers 

message: I've formed certain impression of the main page In The News section over time. Today I sat down for an hour with Excel and went through the history of the template to conduct a little survey. The findings are quite interesting. TreveXtalk 15:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I got into trouble for suggesting that the 2006 Commonwealth Games should be mentioned in the news section, So why the hell do we have to hear about "In the National Hockey League, the Carolina Hurricanes defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the 2006 Stanley Cup."??? This is national news not world news.
A comparison would be: "In the Australian Football League, the Sydney Swans were defeated by the West Coast Eagles to win the 2006 Premiership." The AFL Grand Final is one of, if not the, largest national single sporting event in the world, but because it is national it dosent qualify for world news unless the rest of the world falls asleep for a week and the grand final is all the news there is.
I feel that any national news mentioned must be of high significance, like if the Carolina Hurricanes defeat the Edmonton Oilers for the first time since 1902 or somthing like that.
* Considering 86% of the European stories were elections, it can be concluded that minus the elections, there is a massive bias towards the US.
* News is somthing that is treated so stupidly by everyone, it must be of high significance as in, impacting the rest of the world in whole or part. The commonwealth games should of at least (and eventually did) get a small section like the FIFA world cup has got. They're events that affect many countries across the world, not a national sporting league. Nick carson 03:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A little survey

message: *Admins should actively seek out stories rather than relying on the suggestions page.
*The candidate suggestions page () is a clear example of instruction creep and should be abolised. Surely admins can pick stories from (Current events)? This would be:
**Much simpler
**And also result in a greater breadth of stories
*There should be a larger throughput of stories: more stories should be on the main page, but for a shorter space of time.
*The paucity of coverage of Africa/The Americas should be improved.
*Less reliance on elections as news.
Perhaps we could rely on World news sections to give a good idea of what's being covered worldwide? I don't think this is being done at the moment.
*Google
*BBC
*CNN
TreveXtalk 15:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I got into trouble for suggesting that the 2006 Commonwealth Games should be mentioned in the news section, So why the hell do we have to hear about "In the National Hockey League, the Carolina Hurricanes defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the 2006 Stanley Cup."??? This is national news not world news.
A comparison would be: "In the Australian Football League, the Sydney Swans were defeated by the West Coast Eagles to win the 2006 Premiership." The AFL Grand Final is one of, if not the, largest national single sporting event in the world, but because it is national it dosent qualify for world news unless the rest of the world falls asleep for a week and the grand final is all the news there is.
I feel that any national news mentioned must be of high significance, like if the Carolina Hurricanes defeat the Edmonton Oilers for the first time since 1902 or somthing like that.
* Considering 86% of the European stories were elections, it can be concluded that minus the elections, there is a massive bias towards the US.
* News is somthing that is treated so stupidly by everyone, it must be of high significance as in, impacting the rest of the world in whole or part. The commonwealth games should of at least (and eventually did) get a small section like the FIFA world cup has got. They're events that affect many countries across the world, not a national sporting league. Nick carson 03:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concrete propositions

message: After User:Silsor removed the entry on ITN about "President George W. Bush nominates Samuel A. Alito, Jr to the United States Supreme Court"., we both got into a discussion about the  quote on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page that says "It should be a story of an international importance, or at least interest."
My question: is there any sort of good way one can determine if a news story qualifies for that criteria so one can add it to ITN, or remove an entry if it does not fit? Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest this method or a perfected or refined version of it:
* The news must be noteworthy to the rest of the world in whole or majority of it.
* The news must have some world wide/global affect on the world or majority of it.
* The news must be of a high level of interest to the rest of the world in whole or majority of it.
If we followed these three steps I think everyone could edit the news section far easier and it would keep out bias towards things like european elections and the US in general. Nick carson 03:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Entries on ITN

message: Is it just me, or is it a bit of overkill to still have this up here several whole days after his statements were made? Isn't this section for the latest news, not for stories from so long ago? Do I sense some pro-Israel and anti-Iran bias on the part of wikipedia by its lingering on this? Cognition 15:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmadinejad 

message: Could we clarify or extend the obit rule for people who are really important or who's death has an emotional effect on the public.--Gbleem 03:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obit policy 

message: I wasn't at all surprised to see Andrei Illarionov in the news section. As always, people claiming that Russia lost its democratic ways make the news. The rest of the day's news is less important and doesn't qualify as worthy of attention. How predictable. A big yawn. KNewman 20:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  As expected 

message: Is it a slow news day?  I see no other reason why yet another Windows security flaw is in the "In the news" section.  There's some flaw being revealed every few months it seems so why put it on the main page?  Dismas|(talk) 01:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows security flaw 

message: As illustrated by the discussion at Template_talk:In_the_news/archive5#Rosa_Parks (and the precedent of leaving Rosa Parks on the main page for several days despite not having extensive information on her funeral) there is no consensus to exclude deaths from itn. Listing obituaries allows us to feature a variety of articles, not just articles on storms and elections. When someone of note dies, they become of current and widespread interest. The main reason we are purportedly excluding deaths is so that the news is not flooded with death notices (as they come so frequently. I propose rewording Critera 5 to "No more than one death should be listed at any one time." No other restrictions are needed. If the person is notable enough, their death will be a significant news event. --Jiang 00:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths 

message: A article has been started on the 2006 Hajj Stampede, if you want to link and develop that.  BlueGoose 16:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 Hajj Stampede

message: ::I noticed that they had links to articles about the annual cellebration itself, but not one on the story. Where is it?--Calvinsupergenius 18:59, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Concern

message: For 2005/Jan/23, Aníbal Cavaco Silva is noted as the "the first right-wing President of Portugal since the 1974 Carnation Revolution," but the article uses the phraseology "first elected right-of-center president since...." He is right-wing or merely center-right? Or does Wikipedia similarly consider Helen Clark "left-wing" and Fernando Cardoso "right-wing"? - choster 05:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Right-wing"?

message: Today is Mozart's 250th birthday. It has worldwide celebrations, apparently, and is in some news sources, and the article might even be updated with it. Is this ITN-worthy? In my opinion, no. But the guidelines currently don't say that anniversaries by their very nature are not ITN worthy, because if it's in the news and has an article update, it kind of fits the criteria. I say these don't count unless there's a specific article about them (like we had for the 10th anniv of the OKC bombing), and even then it's iffy. Thoughts? --Golbez 02:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the unmentioned troublemaker, let me try to explain. Anniversaries of births were apparently listed in the "selected anniversaries" section long ago; see Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries#Selected_births_and_deaths. Now that such anniversaries are unwelcome there, they need a new home. Melchoir 03:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new rule: No anniversaries 

message: The page says that the "in the news" section servs several purposes, but do not say which these purposes are. IMO it would be valuable to have this stated. // Habj 15:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of the "in the news" section 

message: "A series of mudslides in Southern Leyte in the Philippines leaves hundreds dead or missing." How about "over a thousand dead or missing"? Or is that too sensationalist sounding? --65.25.219.139 22:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mudslides in the Philippines 

message: As a Dutch citizen I feel honored to see our municipal elections mentioned on the main page. But, really, I question the global importance of this particular news item. If they were national elections I might understand; it seems a bit out of proportion to have an ITN item on the municipal elections, especially since the Netherlands is not that big a country. Junes 19:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch municipal elections? 

message: I propose the death criterion #5 should be amended to cover deaths of famous and respected former Heads of State, particularly those whose deaths are gravely felt in their country and at least one foreign country. Lennart Meri is one such case. Not only does he represent a third (33.33%) of all Estonian presidents ever, he is the first one to die in half a century. His death has caused sorrow not only in Estonia, but in Finland too. Several Finnish magazines have reported Tarja Halonen expressing her condolescenses (gosh, that word is hard to spell). I, too, was moved, despite not being Estonian or even following Estonian politics. JIP | Talk 21:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amendment to death criterion #5 

message: In the entry on Abdul Rahman, "mentally unfit to stand trial" links to M'Naghten Rules, which emphasises that the concept predominates only in western countries. It should link to something like involuntary commitment. BigBlueFish 21:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it. Thanks for your suggestion! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  M'Naghten Rules 

message: I'm not an expert on grammer, but doesn't saying "Cyclone Monica approaches Darwin, Northern Territory in Australia with gusts at 350 km/h." imply that Darwin has the gusts?  It sounds like there should be a comma after Australia, but if I'm completely wrong please ignore me. :) -- Natalya 16:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammer in the current news section 

message: Do we really need to give such in depth detail right on the main page, when a simple click tells you who got it? Couldn't the headline just as easily read: 
:"The International Cricket Council awarded hosting rights for the 2011, 2015, and 2019 Cricket World Cups"
And save a whole lot of space? Or at least cut down on including who was involved in the "Asian bid" for the 2011 cup? I'm only even mentioning this because the headline is so very long. Staxringold 11:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree, that version is great. Nick carson 04:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shortening the cricket headline

message: I thought I'd mention this in case someone wanted to put in on the page.
TSUNAMI WARNING ISSUED AFTER MAGNITUDE 8.1 EARTHQUAKE STRIKES OFF THE PACIFIC ISLAND NATION OF TONGA (Foxnews) PrometheusX303 18:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsunami warning 

message: Should we have a small coloumn showing the scores of the previous day matches? Sasank 21:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. "In the News" gives links to topical (in the news) articles. It is not a news service. Carcharoth 16:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 FIFA World Cup 

message: Some of the more general discussions at Template talk:In the news should really be here, if anyone wants to wander back and forth between these two pages. Carcharoth 16:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussions at [[Template talk:In the news]] 

message: Given the clear guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page: "The section mentions and links to entries of timely interest that are (and this is crucial) nonetheless encyclopedia articles that have been updated to reflect an important current event - not news items.", is it not misleading to have the three "see more" links at the bottom of the template pointing to news-type pages?
Wikinews – Recent deaths – More current events...
The editors of ITN may realise the difference, but the readers and also any editors who miss the guidelines, might think that "in the news" is a news service like Wikinews, or a listing of current events. This is a common misunderstanding. What is the best way to avoid it? For now, I sugest removing the "more" from "more current events". Carcharoth 16:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading "see more" links? 

message: Operation Valiant Shield began today - it is the largest US Naval operation in the Pacific since the Vietnam War.  For the first time, observers from China have been invited to participate. I think this is relevant to a wide range of readers, especially those living in the US and in Pacific Rim countries. Johntex\talk 19:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly is newsworthy and of generaly interest, but it only affects the US and the pacific rim countries I'd doubt would all be interested, I know we here in Australia havnt heared a thing about it and we're close allies. I think there is more significance in the fact that observers from China have been invited. So perhaps somthing like: "For the first time in US naval history, observers from China have been invited to participate in a US naval opperation Valiant Shield, the largest since The Vietnam War." If the more important issues (in this case peace) are placed in prioritised position within the centence, it is of far greater likelyhood that it would be newsworthy. Go for it, I'd say its borderline, but if theres not too much else happening in the world, try to get it in there. Nick carson 04:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your suggestion.  I figured out that suggestions are supposed to go to Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates so I put the suggestion there.  I worked in the mention of China, as you suggested.  BTW, I don't know if you already read this in the article, but Australia has sent observers to participate. Johntex\talk 04:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest inclusion of Valiant Shield

message: The article doesn't actually say that this is the biggest exercise overall since Vietnam, or at least it doesn't to my reading. The ITN entry by contrast does- which is correct? To be honest, per my comment on the candidates page, I question whether this entry really should be up there at all anyway. Badgerpatrol 13:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Valiant Shield

message: When you guys put (flag pictured) maybe you should specify that it is the UN flag and not the Montenegro flag? I know people should be able to recognize that, but the way it's written is kind of ambiguous. Star Ghost 23:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montenegro 192nd member of the UN 

message: A wikilink to exit poll from "exit projections" would help the readers. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A wikilink would help 

message: I've started a straw poll here on investigating the potential of a section rename, and would greatly appreciate comments. The Tom 00:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming redux 

message: Why not keep :Image:11_July_2006_Mumbai_bombings_-_map_showing_locations.png on the main page. The Indian flag serves no purpose. Any admins here who can do something about it? - Aksi_great (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings 

message: Surely you should switch the space shuttle and the earthquake around - the shuttle was expected to land today, as opposed to the earthquake. Also, why not use the map location of the earthquake?  Killfest2  14:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion, but please note that items on ITN are listed chronologically. The latest news goes to the top. The earthquake was the top news earlier today. And please provide a map that looks good at 100px, the usual size of images on MainPage. Suggestions can be made at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. For further discussion of ITN contents, please go to Template talk:In the news, not here. Thanks. -- PFHLai 15:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switch