Talk:Speedball (paintball)

message: I've just created this stub in the hopes that some paintballer a little more knowledgeable about it than I, a die-hard woodsballer, would come across it. I would write it with my current knowledge, but it'd be contaminated with a woodsballer's slant on things, and that wouldn't be good. Oh, and if you by any chance come across this article and aren't already a member of the Paintball WikiProject, and are a paintballing Wikipedian or a Wikipedian with interest in the Paintball category, then please join. ~ Maximilli, 02:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please expand

message: I didn't remove or rearrange any of the old content, though some of it is repeated.  I'm going to wait for comments/concerns/etc before doing that.
:This page has gained a bit of POV, but that's unavoidable since only one person's been working on it lately. :) I'm going to go over it sometime this weekend if I have time and apply my knowledge, such as it is. Thanks for the contributions - I'm glad to finally have a speedballer working on this article. ~ Maximilli, 17:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In the process of expansion

message: How bout we add a section about the different positions involved (ie. Front, Middle, Back)? I'm gonna have to do a bit of research first as I am a bit rusty, maybe will get to it this weekend. - Robogymnast 19:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually added the positions to paintball strategy yesterday.  If you'd like to copy it in, or incorporate it somehow, be my guest.  - Toastydeath 19:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think those positions would do better if they weren't in the Paintball strategy article, but in this article instead. I'd advise a summary of the positions (like, one or two lines) in Paintball strategy, and have the text itself be moved here. You can use the Woodsball positions section as an example of what I mean. ~ Maximilli, 19:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, Toasty, if you're interested, I'd be glad if you would create the player position pages that RavenStorm and I have listed on the project news template. I'll put it up on your talk page to make sure you get it. ~ Maximilli, 19:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Positions

message: This is not a NPOV edit, and the reference used is hardly authoritative.  A journalist does not conduct studies, and asking a couple people hardly qualifies as such.  I can carefully pick the people I interview to get a complete opposite response.  The article presented makes a gross exaggeration of the cheating in speedball, and presents ongoing debates in tournament paintball - ramping, ref eliminations, etc - as hard line cheating.  Different people want to play under different rule formats, and different local tournament formats are accommodating both kinds of players.  Attributing the inclusion of ramping modes is hardly caving to cheating, but rather, the set of paintball players that enjoys playing with ramping triggers.
People cheat in speedball, woodsball, scenarioball, and games that aren't even paintball (football, baseball).  If we are going to make a mention of cheating at all, I suggest it be in the main paintball article.  
This isn't enough of a problem to even be worth mentioning, much less mentioning in the highly POV manner that it is now.
It's not factual, and I'd like to delete it.
- Toastydeath 22:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd have it deleted. People cheat everywhere. Cheating is rampant in woodsball. I've had to beat up at least six people 'cause they wouldn't back down from cheating, and I don't know how many more guys had to be pulled by the refs. Yet, we haven't really mentioned it there 'cause it's not an important part of the game. I think it should be a pretty basic guideline for the whole category - cheating isn't integral to the sport, so we'll leave it how it's discussed in the main article. My two cents. ~ Maximilli, 19:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Cheating" entry

message: Some of the information should be massaged into the rest of the article, and this entire section needs to be removed.  Perhaps even the "differences from woodsball" needs to go, or be moved elsewhere (into the main speedball section, mabye?).  These sections don't help the articles, and are very out of place where they are now. -- Toastydeath
:I'm going to go and remove it. I'd intended it for the Woodsball article anyway, and copied it here way back when the article was only three sentences long or something, as temporary information. ~ Maximilli, 18:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Speed paintball#Speedball in woodsball|Speedball in woodsball]] needs to go

message: First, congratulations to all for the amount of work done to the article. It's looking good. I would like to see it rival the Woodsball article someday. 
Second, I've noticed that the article seems to be presenting information not out of the blue, but in comparison to woodsball. While at some level I think that's appropriate, because the majority of paintballers do play woodsball, but still it'd be more politically correct and, put frankly, fair for the speedball article if the tone didn't involve woodsball so much. I'm glad to see the comparison, because the two game types are very important, but I still think the article would be better off with a more independent tone. Either that, or I'm making a mountain out of a mole-hill. ~ Maximilli, 19:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General tone

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
* Support. This is the best way to go - the facts speak for themselves, really. ~ Maximilli, 03:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Under Game play, this article says:
: "Contrary to some beliefs, any type of marker is eligible for competition in this format, but the most common are markers with electronic trigger/firing systems. Such markers may be capable of rates of fire reaching or exceeding 30 paintballs per second using electronically assisted firing modes markers including those produced by Planet Eclipse, Dye precision, DLX, Smart Parts,APS (Angel Paintball Sports, formerly WDP (company)Dangerous Power, Proto, Empire, Invert, Veiwloader, Halo,and Evil.)"
In fact, this is not true. In NPPL play, each marker must operate in semi-auto or pump mode. The 2008 NPPL rulebook states on page 12:
: "7.01 Marker Specifications. Players may use a single, 68 caliber, pump or semi automatic paintball marker, which consists of a single barrel and single trigger. All Paintball Markers shall only operate in semi auto or pump mode and may not operate in other discharge modes such as burst, enhanced trigger or fully automatic discharge mode during league play."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrapczak (talk • contribs) 23:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eligibility of Markers

message: Is there any evidence that the paintball-related article is the primary topic for "speedball"? The usual Google and books search markers indicate otherwise. I would think that (at the least) the current disambig should be the primary topic. czar ♔ 04:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary topic 

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