Talk:List of The Venture Bros. episodes

message: Where do the predicted release dates come from?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.87.173.58 (talk) 03:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: I moved the entire section from The Venture Bros.#Episodes and cleaned it up a bit.
This is only temporary though, until somebody can start a Wikitable for the episodes (like List of The Boondocks episodes).
:th1rt3en 19:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've set up the table's "skeleton" below the current episode list. Once it gets complete enough, we can get rid of the old stuff. Aldebaran135 01:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the only that's left to do is add screenshots, perhaps it's time to get rid of the old descriptions. 69.169.74.209 02:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

message: A Very Venture Christmas obviously takes place before Trial of the Monarch due to the presence of the Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend, but how do we know for sure that it takes place after Past Tense? Jeff Silvers 15:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The presence of the original Team Venture, maybe? In any event, I doubt that it matters, since it was all just a dream. We're probably not supposed to consider the episode a part of the show's continuity, anyway. 69.169.74.209 06:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe Adult Swim confirmed it, but otherwise it's because of the presence of the characters: Steve Summers, Prof. Impossible and a pregnant Sally, Kano from the original Team Venture, the Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend still together, as well as several other characters would place the episode in the time frame between eps. 11 and 12. -th1rt3en 04:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh.  Well Adult Swim confirming it is enough for me. Jeff Silvers 20:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This might be silly and way too late to mention, but the only characters actually present in the episode are Doc, Brock, the boys, and H.E.L.P.eR. Everyone else was only seen in Doc's dream. So, while we could conclude that it takes place during the first season and before "Return to Spider Skull Island," there's no reason it can't be after "Trial of the Monarch." Anything seen in the dream, such as Pete White hitting on Triana, Sally Impossible's pregnancy, the presence of Steve Summers and Sasquatch, and of course the very existence of the Krampus, should be discounted until confirmed in the real Venture universe. Although I hope the Krampus is "real." --Boradis 21:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time frame of "A Very Venture Christmas" 

message: All right, as far as I know Adult Swim doesn't include the "season-hyphen" in their current format for VB production codes.  So I figure, it's not really necessary, so maybe we should take that off for the purpose of accuracy.
On the other hand, to help differentiate them, maybe we should use that format for the continuity numbers. That way, it will better correspond with the individual episode pages. For example, if you go to "Hate Floats"'s page, it says "Season 2, Episode 2". So on the chart here, it'll say "2-2" to stand for that. What does everyone think? Is that a better way to handle it? 68.234.189.189 07:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Production code is the order in which the episodes were produced while airing number is the order in which the episodes air. See VB at TV.com. -th1rt3en 13:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity numbers and production codes. 

message: I went ahead and made :Template:VentureBrosEps to cut down on the size of the normal nav-bar. -th1rt3en 19:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! - DynSkeet *  Talk 23:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Nav-bar 

message: The adult swim bump calls this episode "Escape to the House of Mummies Part II. Does anyone have an explanation for this? -th1rt3en 22:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see the episode.  There is no part I, they give a brief synopsis of it, and also promise a part III at the end.  whole episode is a takeoff of serial adventure stories.  --Emb021 19:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, i had asked this before the episode premiered :P, thanks though. -th1rt3en 19:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escape to the House of Mummies 

message: I've been reading plot summaries of various other works I'm a fan of, and it seems to me we might be going overboard with the level of detail in our storylines. I myself am guilty of this, as the storyline summary for "Escape to the House of Mummies Part II" in place as I write this is largely mine. I've been looking for a guideline page in the Wikipedia help and style guides section, but haven't found anything concrete yet. Thoughts? Pointers? --Boradis 07:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's largely a matter of taste, although some people fiercely believe in one approach or the other. You're right, some of the episode articles have gotten really long... they probably could stand a little trimming here and there. Not sure that there's any official Wikipedia guidance. - DynSkeet *  Talk 10:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. In that case, my preference would be for more succinct summaries that highlight major plot points, without giving away all the jokes. If we continue to go the other way, we might as well be posting an episode transcript, which I don't think is the purpose of Wikipedia. Anyway, when I write a summary I'll do it the way I prefer (more of an outline) and let the chips fall as they may. With of course the understanding that it could get overwritten shortly thereafter. --Boradis 21:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I recently realized exactly how long many of the articles were getting (a problem I've contributed to extensively). I trimmed "Careers in Science" back a bit and may do the same to others. - DynSkeet *  Talk 12:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storyline sections 

message: Excellent article - but then, I like the show.  I was wondering if the two holiday tunes from IGN articles on December 16, 2004 (just before the airing of Very Venture Xmas) 
IGNFF Holiday Havoc Day 12: The Venture Bros.
and one a year later on December 19, 2005
IGNFF Holiday Havoc Day 13: Venture Bros. are notable for inclusion in this article?  I don't know if they are considered canon or not.  But they are rather funny.--EarthPerson 18:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IGN Holiday Tunes - are they notable? 

message: Can anyone who has the episodes TiVo'd (or however) get new images for Love-Bheits and Hate Floats? These two are really stretched. And possibly non-stretched images for House of Mummies and Victor. Echo. November.? -th1rt3en 21:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Are these directly from Adult Swim?  Are they akin to Press Releases?  If so, I'd think that was fair use.  I only ask because many of them have had recent edits.  --EarthPerson 15:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text of Short Summaries 

message: At some point, I think early spring 2006, Adult Swim announced that new episodes of Venture Brothers were coming.  A couple of weeks later, they showed what I can only describe as a preview for season two.  It was a full episode with different animation and an overall different feel that either disregarded the entire first season or was supposed to be a recap of it.  Anyone else remember this happening?  I haven't seen it since and seem to remember that I was worried that they had destroyed the series.Djibouti 07:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra Episode 

message: i watched it the first time through planned on recording second time around but didnt rerun. anyone think this should be put into the episode list for season 3? it wasnt technically the start of the third season. just bringing it to everyones attention in case they didnt see it. it said in a bump prior to the start what ep # it was cant remember. it was a suprise to be sure (tv guide schedule didnt even have it listed) but that is adult swims genius on april fools day.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.141.195.157 (talk) 08:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  april 1st "rough episode" 

message: excuse my french, but WTF! happened to the Cultural reference area of each episode.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.68.58 (talk) 02:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References 

message: I am beginning to think we should just delete all the episode articles. No one seems to want to fight for anything more than just the plot summary and we can have that here. -BigGator5 21:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Episode Articles 

message: Why is it gone?4.239.105.217 (talk) 04:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like someone redirected to here, possibly vandalism. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 05:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I was wrong with my original statement, it was actually deleted, you can see the reasoning here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lepidopterists. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 06:08, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode 36 Article 

message: A number of the episode descriptions read like teasers rather than synopses, with teasing language that doesn't seem appropriate to the tone of an encyclopedia. Also (and I could be wrong), a lot of them seem suspiciously close to the teasers written in the sleeves of the DVD sets (possible plagiarism?). I'm not at home with my DVDs to make a comparison, but I'm definitely recognizing some specific sentences & phrases that I recall verbatim from the DVD sleeves. These need to be addressed. The descriptions should be a brief synopsis of the major events of the episode, avoiding "teaser"-style language. For example, the description of episode 101 currently reads:
When the Venture Family visits Tijuana for a lecture Dr. Venture is giving at the (community) University of Mexico, the dastardly Monarch weaves a cocoon of villainy that leaves the Venture Brothers trapped in his clutches, Dr. Venture kidney-less and Brock...dead? If only Dr. Venture would return his calls...
 
A more encylopedic synopsis might read:
On a visit to Tijuana, the Venture family find themselves in peril: Hank and Dean are kidnapped by The Monarch, who attempts to deal with his own abandonment issues by bonding with them. Dr. Venture's one remaining kidney is stolen, and he and Brock mount a rescue to save the boys, whose kidneys the Doctor requires to replace his own.
When I get home I'll compare the descriptions here with those from the DVD boxes. If there's any blatant plagiarism I'll deal with it ASAP, but regardless of that a number of these descriptions need rewriting for encyclopedic tone. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopses 

message: Comparing the order on my Season 1 DVD, it seems the order listed here is incorrect. Are we to presume that the order on the DVDs is actually the "correct" order as chosen by the creators? If so, this is the order they should be listed in:
*Dia Die Los Dangerous!
*Careers in Science
*Mid-Life Chrysalis
*Eeney, Meeney, Miney... Magic!
*The Incredible Mr Brisby
*Tag Sale - You're It!
*Home Insecurity
*Ghosts of the Sargasso
*Ice Station - Impossible!
*Are you there, God? It's me, Dean
*Past Tense
*The Trial of the Monarch
*Return to Spider-Skill Island
I feel the show is better introduced in this order, I think, so I can see why it might have been changed. Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Episode lists on Wikipedia are based on the original air date, not on the order in which they appear on DVD releases. This is the case for nearly every episode list I've encountered. The production numbers are given in the list so readers can see the "intended" order. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but WP generally reflects the creator's intentions, which mostly tallies with broadcast order, but sometimes it doesn't, as with this show. For example, Firefly has episodes listed in the "correct" order, not the broadcast order. This is especially true in cases where the order has been changed for the DVD releases. Finally, production orders have absolutely ZERO to do with intended viewing order with any TV show. They're completely independent. The fact that you're unaware of this makes me think you're not in a position to make this call by yourself. Can you provide any WP documentation that states broadcast order should take precedence over creator intended orders? Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

text:  I've searched the guidelines and can find nothing that supports your POV. Given how WP generally takes the creator's intentions over network changes, especially in cases where these changes can be verified by DVD releases, I'm reverting your undo. If you still think that this is incorrect, please find me an example on WP where broadcast order has taken precedence over a creator intended order (that's reflected on a DVD release to boot). The only examples I can find contradict that stance. Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 11:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've asked for more input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#DVD order or broadcast order? --IllaZilla (talk) 14:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

text: It's been over a week since anyone commented at the WP:TV thread linked in my previous post. Based on the feedback there, I'm restoring the list to broadcast order. I don't see any strong arguments to the contrary, and no sources backing up the claims of "creator intent". Feel free to continue discussing in that thread, but unless a consensus forms to the contrary I believe this list should remain in broadcast order as it has been for years. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to strongly agree with ThunderPeel2001, it's actually not just that it's the order on the DVDs, in the commentary the creators of the show themselves explicitly refer to the episode order, and specific episodes as 'this is episode six' and so on. The original airdates seems like a fairly minor point of trivia, and the counter point about Firefly above is pretty airtight in that regard. Also seems a bit WP:SYNTH to extrapolate it as the correct episode order compared with an actual reference.121.73.221.187 (talk) 14:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Right now it seems to be back to airing order. Maybe there should be a separate DVD order column? Seems like a more important piece of information to most people at this point than production order (not that those shouldn't be included too). There should at least be an acknowledgement in the introduction that the DVDs use a different order, just to avoid confusion. Jlynne1219 (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode order appears to be wrong

message: I just modified the synopsis for this episode after rewatching it. The first time I watched the episode (when it first aired) I thought that the prostitutes that Rusty hired were really assassins working for Molotov Cocktease, since Molotov says they are, and we see a brief "flash-forward" fantasy sequence of them attacking the prom. The original writer of this episode's synopsis thought so too.
However, on second viewing, it's clear that Molotov was lying about them being her assassins, and that they really are just prostitutes. For one, they don't turn on the prom at midnight like Molotov said they would, and Brock breathes a sigh of relief at that. For another thing, when Molotov first appears in the episode after tranquilizing Brock, she threatens one of the prostitutes, who reacts as if she has never seen Molotov - which would be unnecessary with nobody else in the room.
I've updated the synopsis to reflect this, and corrected the inaccurate info. Just thought I should mention why.
BevansDesign (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 4, Ep. 16 - Prostitutes vs. Assassins 

message: I've been away from Wikipedia for a long time, and I don't feel like looking up how to site sources and all that again. Plus, one of you can reword this to make it sound better anyway. So, here's what I would like someone to add to the page. Thank you.
"On August 1, 2014, Adult Swim posted the official Season 6 trailer onto YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WL4XfBTCe0
On December 12, 2014, the Venture Bros. blog gave a release date of January 19th. http://www.venturebrosblog.com/2014/12/the-venture-bros-space-special-to-premiere/ "
Isaac thegamer (talk) 07:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 6 

message: I recently moved all the specials into their respective places in the series chronology, but when I tried to continue to work to improve the page I found my lack of knowledge limiting what I could do.
Could somebody please separate season four into two parts ("Season 4 Vol. 1" and "Season 4 Vol. 2") as these are completely distinct seasons with regard to production, air dates, home media and, ultimately, according to Adult Swim and Astrobase Go. The changes would need to be made in the series overview box as well as the main article itself.
In addition, it now seems weird to me that the specials aren't accounted for in the "No. Overall" boxes, but I didn't know how to add them.
Could somebody add those things to the page? Thanks. 122.111.9.112 (talk) 21:57, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? 122.111.9.112 (talk) 03:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for changes: (Season 4 Vol. 1 and Season 4 Vol. 2, and more) 

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