Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Lost task force/Archive 3

message: Lost WikiProject editors,
I just nominated List of Lost episodes for Featured List status again and was hoping you could support or comment on the nomination at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Lost episodes. Thanks.  --  Wikipedical 07:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job, it has passed with 14 supports and 0 opposes!  --thedemonhog talk • edits 04:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Lost episodes]] 

message: The AfD, which can be viewed here apparently happened on June 24 - 26.  It was still on the navigation box five days after it was deleted (I just removed it).  I would have voted delete anyway, but it would have been nice if a notice was posted here.  It was discussed by all non-Lost editors so that's why we didn't know.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 02:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Oceanic Flight 815]] deleted 

message: In case you missed the link on the project page, see it here.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 17:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Peer review|Peer review]] for [[Lost: The Journey]] 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of references to Lost in popular culture (2nd nomination)‎.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sr13 closed the debate on July 8 with "The result was delete, no redirect. Unlikely that anyone would type List of references to Lost in popular culture."  --thedemonhog talk • edits 20:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] for [[List of references to Lost in popular culture|popular culture references list]] 

message: So, I renovated the main page.  I think it looks nice.  If you have the WikiProject page on your watchlist, I suggest adding Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Left panel and Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Right panel becuase no changes with be made to the main WikiProject page now.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 17:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work! It's now the most attractive WikiProject I belong to! :P •97198 talk 15:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject revamp 

message: See it at Peer review/Through the Looking Glass (Lost).  I am hoping to get the article featured soon.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 16:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Peer review|Peer review]] for [[Through the Looking Glass (Lost)]] 

message: User:.NERGAL claims Richard is "not a major character" even though this has already been discussed here and here.  I wrote that page so I could not remove the banner, so could someone else?  --thedemonhog talk • edits 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The banner was removed.  Ironically, less than three weeks later I transformed the page into a redirect after it was announced that he will probably not appear in season 4.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 20:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Richard Alpert (Lost)]] up for speedy deletion 

message: Barring Nikki and Paulo how short should each plot synopses for each character be? I hink I messed-up at Libby (Lost).23prootie 01:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How short is short? 

message: Please have your say at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Through the Looking Glass (Lost).  See also the other featured episode articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage#Featured articles.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 05:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think you should wait until the DVD is released, but I think otherwise the page is pretty good, so I'll change my vote to neutral. By the way, I think it's best to try to avoid project vote stacking, as the goal of an FAC is to make a page as good as it can be, and random people who only support without really reading the article or leaving any constructive comments aren't helpful. -- Scorpion0422 05:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But project vote stacking worked so well for Nikki and Paulo (12-0) and List of Lost episodes (14-0).  ;)  Yay, neutral!  --thedemonhog talk • edits 05:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking more of List of Lost episodes, which say 14 supports, and half of the supporters left no comments. -- Scorpion0422 05:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Through the Looking Glass" has been promoted with 16 supports, 1 neutral and 0 opposes.  Expect it to appear on the main page on February 6, 2008.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the request: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Through the Looking Glass (Lost).  --thedemonhog talk • edits 19:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The featured article director has changed the format of the page, so the above link no longer works.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 00:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidacy]] for [[Through the Looking Glass (Lost)]] 

message: Does anyone own the first season DVD set?  I do not and cannot add more to the "Casting" section in Boone Carlyle.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 21:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentaries 

message: I have listed Thematic motifs of Lost for AfD due to excessive original research.  The AfD page can be found here.  --  Wikipedical 02:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The August 12 result was delete, but move to Ursasapien's sandbox.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 20:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD- Thematic motifs of Lost 

message: The article DHARMA Initiative stations is in need of a desperate overhaul.  I ask members of this wikiproject to take a look at it.  It needs tons of sources and the plot summary needs to be trimmed.  I just reduced it from 40,909 bytes to 17,499 bytes.  If you could lend a hand, that would be great.  --  Wikipedical 02:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job cutting down so much.  Is the plot summary section, "Uses of stations after the Dharma Initiative" actually needed?  --thedemonhog talk • edits 02:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I was going to cut it too but thought I'd get more feedback.  What do you think?  It is a smelly plot summary, isn't it. --  Wikipedical 02:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it's 9,531 bytes.  Much better.  --  Wikipedical 02:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should "Summary of stations" just be merged into the Dharma Initiative article now?  --thedemonhog talk • edits 02:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I was considering just merging the pages now too.  Both of them are crufty enough to be one.  --  Wikipedical 02:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see why anyone would object.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 02:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, now we should copyedit the hell out of it.  --  Wikipedical 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for the move from DHARMA Initiative → Dharma Initiative can be found here and here.  Others may challenge your move back to all capitals.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should "As mythology on Lost" be kept?  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DHARMA Initiative stations 

message: Please comment and vote at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 August 21#Image:Lost cast (season 3).png.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On August 30, Quadell closed with "Kept, no clear-cut violations, and many users believe this passes NFCC#8."  --thedemonhog talk • edits 20:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Lost cast (season 3).png|Image of cast]] listed for deletion 

message: Head over to Template talk:LostNav#Straw poll: Nikki & Paulo as main characters.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 00:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikki and Paulo: the final battle 

message: In the past month, four articles from this WikiProject were either passed of failed as GA's.  Boone Carlyle and Lostpedia were promoted, and Lost: The Journey was not because it is not comprehensive, a problem that is unlikely to be solved.  I nominated Lost (season 4), but it was literally failed in a minute.  See the discussion here.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 21:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent good article nominations 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of crossovers on Lost, started by Will (Sceptre).  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 15:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The final tally was three votes in favour and one objection.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 18:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of crossovers on Lost|Crossovers]] at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] 

message: I just joined the project and could not find a to-do list. I was wondering if there is such a list of articles which would serve to guide project newcomers on what needs attention. Havelok 21:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a to-do list because all it said was to revert vandalism.  You can see "Tasks" on the project page, which serves the same purpose.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 22:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-do list? 

message: Should we change the policy that was agreed upon two years ago?  Of the twelve who discussed the policy in November 2005, all have since left the project (and sometimes all of Wikipedia).  The twelve users decided that spoilers will only be allowed on the condition that they have been confirmed by ABC, crew or cast.  Lately, some users want to include "The Beginning of the End" in Lost articles.  Should we change the policy to allow spoilers from The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, TV Guide, E! and DarkUFO, or at least some of them? –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 17:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler sources 

message: Hi all, I notice you have citing episodes on your "tasks" list. To facilitate this process I'm working on producing a citation for each episode and appending it to the plot summary in the episode list (I've done season one) so that they are available centrally and can be copied and pasted out to the main articles. I know from experience working on The Wire (TV series) that these can be used a lot and extracting them from an episode list wikitable can be tricky. I'm keeping them on an excel spreadsheet but wonder if I there is a way to share them with the community? Is it worth keeping a copy of the citations on a sub page of the project for even easier use?--Opark 77 17:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All episode citations are now on the season pages.--Opark 77 19:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but I do not see the purpose for episode citations in season pages.  It seems redundant to include information twice.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, as I said above it centralises the citations but not in the most user friendly way. So once the citations are on the season page you can go there whenever you need to grab a citation and cut and paste it instead of having to write it or think of other articles where it might be cited. Secondly, it is not intended for including the same information twice it is a matter of verifiability. Every episode list on wikipedia asserts information like writers, directors and plot summary for an episode. Often this information is copied from unreliable sources like IMDb and TV.com. The facts asserted on an episode list should be backed up by sources and citing the episode as a primary source fulfills this requirement. Surely per WP:CITE having a source for information in an article is preferable to not having a source? Even if you feel the season pages are a bad place for the citations what do you think about having a centralised resource of the citations for WP members to use for quickly citing episodes? Would it be appropriate to included that on a subpage of this wikiproject?--Opark 77 22:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a great idea to make a subpage with all the citations on it, but I do not see the point of having "title: Through the Looking Glass, airdate: May 23, 2007, writers: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse, director: Jack Bender, featured character: Jack" and then having a citation that says "title: Through the Looking Glass, airdate: May 23, 2007, writers: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse, director: Jack Bender, network: ABC."  –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, where should we place the subpage? How about WikiProject Lost/citations or WikiProject Lost/episode citations. Do you think it is worth citing a source for the plot summaries in the season pages at all? I agree that it is unfortunate that the information in the citation is duplicated in the article but I don't think it completely negates the value of having a citation in place.--Opark 77 23:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Trying to explain my reasoning a bit more. I think the purpose of the text of the citation is to allow the reader to identify the source and track it down if necessary. The purpose of the citation itself is to state a source of the information in the article and is therefore not duplicating the function of the episode list itself. If the text of the citation mirrors something in the article so be it - it is nevertheless fulfilling an important function.--Opark 77 23:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll cast my votes by saying that there should be no episode citations in the season pages (as I believe it to be common sense that a plot summary of an episode is summarizing the episode – the source) and that the subpage should be at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode citations.  I can help out with this.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 23:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Nice work.  This will be very useful.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing episodes 

message: The Beginning of the End (Lost) is currently being featured in the new articles section of the main page and will be for the next few hours.  After that, it can still be found in the recent additions archive.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 18:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know? 

message: According to WP:FICTION infoboxes must not have a status field. I'll remove the status field from all characters' infoboxes. Please check a similar conversation in Heroes Talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the "Status" field from all characters' articles. A character in a fiction universe maybe is "Deceaced" in episode X but "active" in episode 1. -- Magioladitis 16:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 21:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status 

message: I removed this field in the character infobox because it is not reflective of how long the character is on the show and because it is always changing with new flashbacks and dreams.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thumbs up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last appearance 

message: Hi. A discussion on the episodes MoS is here. As an article under the project's scope is used as an example, you are encouraged to contribute. Will (talk) 15:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see a separate lengthy discussion and request for comment on the WP:EPISODE guideline.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 05:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, and also  Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Needs revision and Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)#RfC: Acceptable direction for WP:FICT guideline.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 05:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about multiple episodes on WT:EPISODE 

message: I figured I would introduce myself. My name is Brian. I'm a fan of LOST of course and i'm glad to be a part of this project. -Brian Alexander (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're glad to have you with us :D -- Ned Scott 07:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New to this WikiProject