Talk:Electrical engineering/Archive 5

message: Hi,
Some background on this case. I recently made the following changes over the space of several edits to the electrical engineering article. They included, among other changes, a factual correction about the inventor of the cathode ray tube and removal of some uncited material that I marked as uncited several days ago (I also contacted the IP of the person who made the changes to request citations). The aim was to improve the article (a featured article) as it can get out of shape quite quickly. At 18:03 all my changes were reverted by Light current without explanation as to what was wrong with any of them. I restored the changes and asked Light current to explain what changes he had problems with at 18:46. He didn't and has refused to do so since. If he simply explained what changes he objected to and why we might be able to move forward. But he refuses to do so, instead being stuck on some principle. If it matters, I am not a new contributor to the article in fact I nominated the article for featured status. But I feel Light current is now trying to shut me out from editing this article.
Cedars 05:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to mediation request 

message: Despite another request to his talk page, Light current still refuses to talk to me and discuss what problems he has regarding my changes. If he explained what problems he had with my changes then we could move forward but he doesn't instead continually reverting my changes. Cedars 00:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The case has been referred to the mediation cabal. I awiat its process as should you! You should also refraing from making any further edits to the page in the meantime.--Light current 00:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mediation process does not mean we have to stop trying to communicate. I notice you have once again reverted the page and refused to explain the problems you have with my changes. I do not understand why you refuse to do this. Cedars 00:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I should note, the real loser in all of this are the readers who are now stuck with a factually incorrect version of the article. Cedars 00:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Why didnt you pick this up before it became a FA?--Light current 02:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still not talking 

message: Moved here from my talk for completeness--Light current 18:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to talk about individual changes from the featured article version, then I will listen. But we must start from that version. When you have restored it to thet version, I will listen to any arguments you may have for changing it.--Light current 18:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for reverting 

message: Hi all,
There hasn't been any word from the mediator in the last week. So I am guessing it is time for the article to return to normal editing. I will try to explain my changes a little better this time around. The two changes I want to make next are to remove the third paragraph of the article as it is not well sourced and also to remove the italic banner as the different definitions of electrical engineering are already explained in the second paragraph. 
Cedars 14:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No that is an erroneous conclusion. Mediation process has not been completed. Please do not change the article.--Light current 16:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll wait a little longer but otherwise, with a week past and no changes, I think it's time to move forward. Cedars 23:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Very sorry to hear that Baseball. Glad youre not seriously hurt. Im prepared to wait becuase I feel the process is going so well. What about Cedars? Will you wait a few days bearing in mind the circumstances?--Light current 16:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I am also sorry to hear about your accident, however I would like to continue with my proposed changes. If this article is to continue to develop, Light current will need to talk to me anyway. So unless there are any objections, I am going to implement the above changes in the near future. Cedars 17:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cedars please show some patience and a bit of respect for the mediator Baseball baby who has taken the trouble to help us come to some amicable ageeemants so far. Dont spoil it now by your impatience!--Light current 22:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well these are changes I would really like to see made. So maybe we could make them and if you want to revert them we can do that or discuss that later. We did start with your version which has been more or less unchanged for two weeks. I will make the changes now. If you want I will refain from making further changes for the next week. Cedars 23:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also I am going to remove “software engineering” from the lead as it seems in line with the computer science decision above. Cedars 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The sentence doesn't seem to add much to the article. I would argue most things on earth, have many similarities, but also significant differences. Cedars 10:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont mind if its added 8-)--Light current 10:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I prefer the article without that sentence. A sentence like that is common in the "hamburger essay" taught in US schools, but its usually  used to introduce the discussion of similiarities and differences, not to conclude it. -- The Photon 02:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forward... 

message: Hi, guys – Sorry about the lack of communication. If it makes you feel better, you weren't alone – I was involved in an auto accident this last weekend. We went out for dinner, and on the way home my husband made a left turn onto our street but didn't see a car who had whipped around a third car that was stopped to make the left turn the opposite way. Result: T-bone collision, on my side. Our car is a total loss, so there's that mess to deal with. Fortunately, there are no broken bones but a lot of big bruises and soreness for the three of us. Anyway, it's going to be another couple of days before I can resume our discussion, and I'll let you know here when I'm ready. You can wait for me or discuss amongst yourselves – I don't even have to give you a topic. (It's progress that I can laugh about that without wincing. Much.) I haven't read anything here since last Thursday, and I'll catch up on it... later. Now I must take my bruised body back to bed. See you soon. BaseballBaby 03:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very sorry to hear that Baseball. Glad youre not seriously hurt. Im prepared to wait becuase I feel the process is going so well. What about Cedars? Will you wait a few days bearing in mind the circumstances?--Light current 16:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I am also sorry to hear about your accident, however I would like to continue with my proposed changes. If this article is to continue to develop, Light current will need to talk to me anyway. So unless there are any objections, I am going to implement the above changes in the near future. Cedars 17:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cedars please show some patience and a bit of respect for the mediator Baseball baby who has taken the trouble to help us come to some amicable ageeemants so far. Dont spoil it now by your impatience!--Light current 22:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well these are changes I would really like to see made. So maybe we could make them and if you want to revert them we can do that or discuss that later. We did start with your version which has been more or less unchanged for two weeks. I will make the changes now. If you want I will refain from making further changes for the next week. Cedars 23:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also I am going to remove “software engineering” from the lead as it seems in line with the computer science decision above. Cedars 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unexpected absences...

message: I would like to add the sentence "The two disciplines have many similarities, but also significant differences." to the end of the second lead paragraph. Ordinarily I'd just do it but it is a featured article and all. :-)  As an elecTRONIC engineer I have no problem helping a friend with a wiring project at their house or something but there are limits to what I'll take on in the elecTRICAL world. Middlenamefrank 05:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence doesn't seem to add much to the article. I would argue most things on earth, have many similarities, but also significant differences. Cedars 10:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont mind if its added 8-)--Light current 10:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I prefer the article without that sentence. A sentence like that is common in the "hamburger essay" taught in US schools, but its usually  used to introduce the discussion of similiarities and differences, not to conclude it. -- The Photon 02:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving on

message: Does this discussion require further mediation?  --Ideogram 09:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Its not been finished yet!--Light current 11:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation still required?