Talk:Rubin causal model

message: Article has been wikified.  KarenAnn 17:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

message: Are there any plans to add criticisms of the RCM, such as the anti-experimentalist view of Heckman?  The kerfuffle between Heckman and Sociological Methodology might make for fun reading! SkipSmith 05:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Views 

message: Is this article an example of Stigler's Law?  I am thinking of David Freedman's criticism, e.g., in Statistical Models (page 199):The model was proposed by Neyman (1923)...[it] has been rediscovered many times: see, for instance, Roy (1951) or Hodges and Lehmann (1964, Section 9.4).  The setup is often called "Rubin's model": see for instance Holland (1986), who cites Rubin (1974).  That simply mistakes the history.
I don't know enough to judge Freedman's claim.  But if he's right, it seems that the title of this article should be changed, or at least that a new section about Neyman's work should be added.{John G Bullock 14:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Note that Kane and Rubin both hold (or have held) positions at IQSS in Harvard.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.15.72 (talk) 05:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Some people do refer to it as Neyman-Rubin or Neyman-Rubin-Holland (or Neyman-Holland-Rubin). But "Rubin Causal Model" seems the most common by some way. Qwfp (talk) 18:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems mistaken to me to claim that Pearl (2000) was the first to point out the equivalence of the RCM and approaches in econometrics.  Heckman in particular has been insisting since at least the early nineties that the RCM should be renamed because it's basically the same ideas as Neyman (1923), Thurstone (1927), Haavelmo (1943), Roy (1951), Quandt (1958) and others.  I haven't read Shpitser and Pearl (2006), but it also seems strange to me to credit them with the analysis of identifiability in this context: Heckman and Honore 1990 covered that ground thoroughly.  Sked123 (talk) 23:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text:  I'd like to include some references to the other names, but haven't found a good citation for the use of the "Neyman-Rubin model" or "Neyman-Rubin-Holland model." Aaronshaw (talk) 06:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the model 

message: I have corrected several of the tables in minor but useful ways. The "means" are now correctly calculated and the unknowns "?" now match the text. Names in the tables and text do not yet match. The entire Extended example would benefit from some continuity which is now lacking.
The entire article is nominally limited to experimental assignment. It doesn't make clear that the assignment metaphor may be useful in observational studies.--P64 (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs work 

message: I noticed this article links to the wikipedia page for Paul Holland, the footballer. Is that REALLY the same Paul Holland who named RCM?  I am not editing the page b/c I do not know. It simply seems unlikely.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.118.14.253 (talk) 15:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted. No, it's not the same person. I've unlinked it. Qwfp (talk) 15:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Holland 

message: The section on SUTVA begins: 'We require that "the [potential outcome] observation on one unit should be unaffected by the particular assignment of treatments to the other units" (Cox 1958, §2.4).'
Should there be a reference identifying the source? Gammalcyklist (talk) 09:31, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cox? 

message: Seems more confusing than it ought to be, with a focus on changes. Such a framing means that the causal effect is a difference in changes. Rubincausalmodel (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Giving this a shot now. Rubincausalmodel (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Better now, I hope. Rubincausalmodel (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would it make sense to reframe the extended example in terms of raw blood pressure