Talk:Black dog (folklore)

message: The old article did not cite the references properly, if at all.  This is understandable, given that it is a folklore article.  However, I've put in a couple of large books which, to the best of my knowledge, cover everything.  Mon Vier 24 Septemeber 18.44 UTC
:I've gone through and referenced as much as I can, but there's still a lot of unreferenced material in the article. Simon Burchell (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: I've removed some stuff from the main article and put it here until it can be referenced—Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Burchell (talk • contribs) 10:37, 16 August 2009
:Not sure why you felt the need to do this - the standard practice is to tag unsourced material (as has already been done), rather than to move it to the talk page. If you're concerned that it needs either sourcing or removing, feel free to research each item in turn, and remove any which you can find no evidence for. --McGeddon (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: From intro:
Its Welsh form is confined to the sea-coast parishes, and on the Norfolk coast, the creature is supposed to be amphibious, emerging from the sea by night.
According to some legends, if you see it three times, you are met with an untimely death.
From England:
*The Drummer of Tedworth (modern Tidworth, in Wiltshire) sometimes manifested itself as a huge black dog.
*One has been said to have been Corsham in Wiltshire on April 28th 2008.
*Oldbury, in West Midlands in England, is said to have a Ghost Dog.
*At Hadleigh in Essex, a story is told of a small group of children going up to Hadleigh Castle some time since the 1970s and seeing a large black dog with glowing eyes. The dog supposedly snarled and growled at the children, scaring them away. One of the friends who was on the way up to meet them recalled seeing them cycling away crying. Over the years the children who witnessed the dog began to die of fatal diseases.
*In Waverton, Chester it is said that there is a spectre of a black dog that haunts the village and surrounding fields. The main village pub is named after "The Black Dog".
From Cornwall:
*A black dog is said to appear in Penzance harbour as a foreteller of someone's death. The victim is the only person who can the see the dog. The dog is described as Labrador Retriever sized, but not actually of this breed.
*Shony is a Cornish ghost-dog whose appearance heralded a storm.
From Latin America:
*There were also recent reports of a huge black dog with flaming red eyes roaming the southeastern Brazil coast, haunting and scaring people. However, there were no reports of any kind of physical harm caused by it.
***(no citations due to information coming from "popular knowledge" rather than a "source", basically this is a folktale passed on verbally, what is known as an "old wives tale" There is a reference in the Spanish Wikipedia that can be found here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadejo, or you can also visit http://www.guiascostarica.com/mitos/mitos10.htm for more information.I also found an English Wikipedia article called "Cadejo" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadejo I would suggest a link is added in this article, as the Cadejos is a tale with many variations, and it is also described as a black dog with mystical origins)
There is a folktale or legend in Costa Rica and some areas of Central America of a dog called "El Cadejos" also spelled and pronounced "Cadejo" (pronounced /kadehos/ or /kadexos/ (the "x" pronounced as in "don quixote" or /kadeho/ - /kadexo/)who is believed to be a man cursed because of his alcoholism.
As the story goes, this young man would drink far too much and then come home late at night and insult, abuse and mistreat his elderly parents in different ways, until his mother got tired of his behavior, and with the help of her husband subdued the drunken son and cursed him into a dog using an incantation that varies depending on who tells the story, and condemned him to roam the earth and drag a pair of chains.
Versions of the incantation are as follows:
"Por tus malos habitos te maldigo, como un perro viviras, en tus cuatro patas has de andar, tras de ti tus cadenas has de arrastrar y ni al cielo ni al infierno podras entrar"
translation: "for your nasty habits i curse you, you shall live like a dog, walk on your four paws, behind you your chains will drag, and you shall not enter heaven or hell"
"Por levantar tu mano contra tus padres la gloria nunca veras, como un perro has de vivir y tus cadenas arrastrar, te maldigo hasta el fin de los dias y que tu castigo sea un ejemplo para quienes no temen a Dios"
translation: "for raising a hand unto your parents you shall never see the glory, as a dog you shall live and you shall drag your chains. I curse you until the end of time and let your punishment be an example for all those who do not fear God"
Other variations are spoken of, always mentioning the abuse the man gave his parents and his vices (alcohol specially, or lack of fear for God )and the fact that he will be turned into a black dog with dragging chains and roam the earth forever as an example.
The dog is said to have a black coat and red (sometimes green) eyes that glow in the dark, it is also said to be as big as(or sometimes bigger than)a rottweiler, and it wears a thick metal or leather collar with long, thick, heavy chains attached to it(the chains are a symbol for the vices a man drags with him for the rest of his life). 
El Cadejos lurks in dark roads to attack drunks or drug addicts (no biting or killing, just chasing them and giving them a good scare), in hopes that they will be scared off of their bad habit, because the dog doesn't want another man to ruin his life like he did when he had his human form.
There is another (less popular) version that claims that a young man tried to stop his father's drinking by scaring him using chains and barking like a dog while hiding in the bushes near his house when he came back drunk one night, the man was so scared that the son tried to apologize and explain, but his drinken father just said "Por asustarme y contradecirme "Cadejos" quedarás y a todos los borrachos del mundo en sus necesidades ayudarás". (translation: for scaring and contradicting me you will remain "Cadejos" and you shall for ever help all the drunks in the world with all their needs") or a similar incantation: "De cuatro patas andarás toda la vida" (translation: You shall walk on four paws all your life". This version can help explain why some "victims" do not fear the Cadejos but instead see him as a protective figure)
Other traditions say that the Cadejos actually protects alcoholics and addicts, knowing through his own experience of all the dangers that this habit poses (mugging, falling into a ditch or cliff, street fights, etc), so he will walk next to or behind them, and when the "victim" turns to look, the dog disappears, but the chains dragging can still be heard. There are as many versions of this tale as CostaRicans, but most people agree on the large black dog with glowing eyes that drags chains and follows drunken man who walk alone at night, sightings of the dog have been "reported" (not officially) from the colonial times and continue until this day always by drunks or dug addicts who claim that "me salio el Cadejos" (translates to "the Cadejos crossed me"), there is even an idiomatic expression "que le paso, vio al Cadejos?" which translates loosely to "what happened, did you just see the Cadejos?" and is used as an equivalent to the english idiom "you look like you've just seen a ghost".
Also, it may be noteworthy that the Cadejos will not chase women, children or well-behaved men who walk alone at night, but instead will make sure they get home safely, by growling at anyone who poses a threat for them, and warning them of dangers, like laying in the border of a ditch or cliff to keep good people from accidentally falling in, or barking at other potential dangers.186.4.1.7 (talk) 02:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: Cù Sìth literally means "barrow hound"
But Cù means hound and... I was under the impression that Sìth was essentially a fairy, so it is a "fairy hound"? What would this mean about the Cait Sìth, would it then be a "barrow cat"? 74.243.14.11 (talk) 04:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I thought too - I'll take it out, I'm pretty sure it is wrong. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment I'm not sure it's the case that the folklore black dog is the most common usage. It may be the most viewed page, but the usage of "black dog" for depression is pretty common. Perhaps an alternative would be to reorder the disambig page to put the folklore section at the top. I'd also like to see the depression usage closer to the top too, so people don't have to hunt so much. --Jahaza (talk) 02:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is whether people will type in "black dog" to search for depression instead of just, well, depression. We have to ask why people would, specifically, type in "black dog" in lowercase. This page is the most likely of targets.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:39, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I disagree with this. The question isn't whether they'll type in "black dog" to search for depression, but whether they'll type in "black dog" to find out what someone is talking about and learn that they're talking about depression (or something else). Jahaza (talk) 18:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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