Talk:Hurricane Hazel

message: I know it's a featured article, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. There seems to be a Canadian bias in the article. Nine of the fourteen sentences in the lede cover the Canadian impact, and when introducing the US portion, it even says "On its way to Canada, it affected several more states." There is a separate article for Canada's impact already, and yet that is the largest portion of the impact section. Is it just me, or does something seem off? The North Carolina section seems decent, I suppose, but for producing hurricane force gusts in New York City, it seems that most of the US is glossed over. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You've discussed this quite a bit with me in IRC, but to respond briefly here as well. While Hazel was certainly a very significant event both in the US and Canada, it was a much more unique event in Canada, especially Ontario. There simply is more sourcing and information available on the effects in Canada. As regards the lede, I attempted to not merely mechanically summarise the article sections, but to bring out the important, and unique characteristics of Hazel. If you have anything specific that could be added -- or removed -- I will happily consider it. However, I can't exactly do much: I've split a lot of the Canada stuff into its own article, but I can't make something (article content) out of nothing (sources about the US that are not as extensive than for Canada). Maxim(talk) 00:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think a storm's uniqueness should result in it having the majority of content, particularly when there is more damage and deaths in the United States. I'm fine with there being a Canadian sub-article, but given that, the information should be proportional to the impact. The fact that Hurricane Irene was one of only two hurricanes on record to strike New Jersey doesn't mean that should get significantly more emphasis. By word count, the US section is only 75% of the length of the Canadian section, despite causing 6 more deaths and twice the damage. Furthermore, Hazel was actually a hurricane in the US, but was extratropical in Canada. I really think the Canadian section should be cut down a bit so there isn't undue weight. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  01:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree with Hurricanehink here. If you'll just look at the lede, you will see two paragraphs contaminated with the Canada bias. It summarizes the US impact a bit too much, and not even without mentioning Canada. About 50 percent of the lede is about Canada right now. If anything, this should focus more on Haiti. I know the sources for the country might be sparse, but for the amount of destruction and deaths it caused there, I don't think "In Haiti, Hazel destroyed 40% of the coffee trees and 50% of the cacao crop, affecting the economy for several years to come" would suffice. And lol, if you're going to inflate Canada damage totals, do it for the rest of the totals as well. Auree  ★ 17:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada bias? 

message: ===Useful sources===
*From the Global Tropical/Extratropical Cyclone Atlas. (from  and )
*Preliminary Report from NOAA (very useful for the expansion/amelioration of several sections, such as the MH, PR and the US)
*Google Books sources:
:*Civil Engineering and Public Works Review, Volume 51 (Snippet view) "Hurricane Hazel in 1954 passed near to Grenada, but winds on the island were limited to 45 m.p.h., although winds up to 100 m.p.h. in Carriacou caused considerable damage."
:*Report on Grenada 1957 (p. 5, Snippet View) "The island of Carriacou was struck by the hurricane code-named Hazel on the night of the 25th October. Damage to property and coastal vessels, exclusive of Government property, was estimated at $80,000. A subscription list was opened in Grenada and closed at the end of the year after collecting $3,860 from local donors."
:*Stokes, Barbara F. very descripte of how the hurricane happened in the US
:* Hairr, John lots of impact for the Carolinas, describes Hazel as the greatest hurricane to hit North Carolina in the century.
===Problematic areas===
*Lead needs to be re-written to be a more complete summary
*Dodgy wording in Meteorological history
*Off-topic details in Meteorological history
*Add more about non-Canada impact/aftermath
===Comments===
Feel free to add to the lists. Maxim(talk) 22:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do 

message: Feel free to add to the lists. Maxim(talk) 22:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: With Hazel set to be today's featured article on October 5 and the sub-par state of the article...it's community collaboration time, team! This has already been discussed off-wiki but now I'm dragging you all into actually working on it. , , , , , , . I've outlined a general plan of attack to whip this article into shape, but feel free to add more bullet points on specifics for what needs to be done.
;Major issues
*Lacking comprehensiveness for Caribbean and United States
*Slight Canadian bias throughout.
;Lead
*Needs to be rewritten to include the met. history, preps, and put less weight on Canada.
;Preparations (Julian)
*Only the basic details outside of Canada are present
*Need to recheck the preliminary report for warning details and such to be certain information is correct
*Search newspapers.com for relevant details
;Impact
*Caribbean (Hylian Auree)
**There has to be more information available on Puerto Rico given this statement: "Puerto Rico suffered its worst flooding since 1899 as a result of the hurricane." More info can certainly be gleamed from the Monthly Weather Review
** if you can work your source magic to find Spanish sources covering Puerto Rico and Cuba that would be greatly appreciated.
**Double check for Haiti information given the high death toll (not holding my breath on this one, though).
*Search newspapers.com for relevant details
*United States
**Double check all currently cited sources for additional information that can be added.
**Search newspapers.com for relevant details
**Search for possible environmental papers
*Canada
**Trim to three paragraphs
;Aftermath
*Caribbean
**Search newspapers.com for relevant details
**Look for any possible papers about procedures that changed 
*United States
**Search newspapers.com for relevant details
**Search for possible papers on post-storm effects (such as trauma, procedure changes, government policy, etc.)
*Canada
**Trim to two or three paragraphs
;Citations (Hylian Auree)
*Need to be cleaned up to meet FA standards
Hope you're all eager to help out so we can keep showing the best side of WPTC on the main page! ;) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, the MH is done! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  20:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming TFA to-do list 

message: The text account of the strength of Hazel north of the Carolinas certainly seems to differ from the Saffir-Simpson path depicted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:B1F5:E682:9FA1:E088 (talk) 18:15, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strengty discepancy