Talk:Rockism and poptimism

message: I've removed the following passage because it qualifies as original research as an unsourced rebuttal: "A counter to the claim that rockism is sexist, racist, and/or homophobic is that some of the most acclaimed rock artists were female, black, or homosexual such as Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, and Freddie Mercury." --Muchness 21:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rockist critique connects these two features. We might question the validity of the critique, but as editors it's our job only to report the debate as it was played out in the music press and blogosphere. If you feel that some aspect of the issue and debate has been misrepresented, or that the article's tone is biased, by all means edit the article to fix the problems (but please be wary of introducing original research). --Muchness 09:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a source for this rebuttal in the New York Times, and am posting it. 24.199.113.215 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: I'll admit that my comparison of "rockist" to "pro-abortion" is a little over the top, but I wanted to get my point across thatto my knowledge the term is entirely a straw-man created by music critics. If someone finds info showing that the term originater from music critics who advcated it, then change what I wrote and source that information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.215.230.131 (talk • contribs).
:The analogy you're making between "rockist" and "pro-abortion" is an unsourced synthesis of ideas to build a case, and therefore constitutes original research. What this article really needs is some references to show how the term was originally introduced and used in the press. The straw man argument is addressed in the critiques section. --Muchness 22:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stereotypical Term

message: is a significant amount of research into how the word has been used in its history, however brief that is. i'm confident that it was defined differently by british critics writing about punk and post-punk, than it is today. always, always historicize.
and i fail to see why the new york times quote- about the diversity of a "canon"- keeps being removed. i may re-add it with citations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.224.92 (talk) 07:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: what this article needs

message: The term is a straw man created and used by very, very few people. It has no set meaning, it is not accepted in the industry as a critical term, and this page serves no purpose other than to perpetuate the negative stereotype/straw man that this term set out to create despite it being ridiculously not-notable and biased. Keeping this would be like giving "puppy blender" an article, as several conservative bloggers use it to describe specific liberals, or giving "double hitler" an article because, according to Google, that term has been used more than 2,000 times. I've seen significantly more notable pages deleted due to lack of notability. This article is a waste of space.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.4.226 (talk) 21:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Page Should Be Deleted 

message: I don't agree that the term "rockism" is useless  although at this point it may be a little outdated.  All you'd need to do is read a selection of reviews by Robert Christgau, the self-proclaimed (and highly published) "dean of American rock critics" to get a sense of how a proprietary, exceedingly narrow, highly biased view of what rock music should and shouldn't be can poison any pretensions of having a broad critical resume.  My rap against him has nothing to do with the sociocultural issues that are concerning this talk page; my rap against him is entirely aesthetic: that he compares all rock to the forms that became "classic rock" and judges it according to that singular yardstick. He doesn't get progrock, jazz rock or anything qualifying as avant garde and enjoys snickering mean-spiritedly at these forms.  But the first rule of good criticism is to judge a work on its own terms and not according to what you, the critic, think it should be.  
I agree that being an aesthetic reactionary isn't exclusively the province of rock critics.  I wouldn't know how to change the article, because the term's cited criticism seems to have more to do with identity politics than balanced music criticism.
Snardbafulator (talk) 03:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dissent in Support 

message: Well, the ridiculous criticism of Kelefa Sanneh, was repetiaa in the article, just did a correction. Wisehelp (talk) 05:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  excerpt repeated 

message: I feel like the fact that poptimism is a portmanteau of pop and optimism belongs in the etymology section. However, I could only find one reliable source (Tiny Mix Tapes) that says this, and even then it doesn't mention the word optimism. I added this but feel free to do whatever. --Somarain (talk) 22:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portmanteau