Talk:Sada Abe

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 01:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I found a blog post  (I know they are not reliable sources) which claims Sada Abe died at the age of 64. Anybody able to confim or deny that? --DaKine 21:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Abe die in 1969? 

message: sex is a universal habit in animals and humans.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.65.157.18 (talk) 05:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But not killing one's sexual partner afterwards. That is a behaviour limited to humans, certain species of insects, arachnids, crustaceans and molluscs. Nuttyskin (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  sex 

message: Jack Seward makes the following claim :
: In the end, Sada was charged with murder and corpse mutilation and was brought to trial. She admitted to these charges but when she learned she was charged with sexual perversion, she got pissed. She didnt like that she was charged for being a hentai-seiyokusha (a sex pervert) she was only a ijo-seiyokusha (an oversexed person) so she took advantage of her right to legal counsel.
: So, like, the court decided she wasn't a perv just oversexed and she was happy about tht and admitted her guilt to the other charges of murder and corpse mutilation and was given a sentence of only 6 years in prison!
(Note: the above is the blog author's text, not Seward's original.)
I've heard variation of this ever since, but the Japanese version just notes that 
「世間から変態、変態と言われるのが辛い」と逮捕直後からもらしている。, without specifying any charges, and a Japanese search for 変体性欲者 or 以上性欲者 didn't come up with anything.  There's a login-required link on MUSE about the case , can somebody access it? Jpatokal (talk) 10:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure I remember reading about the perversion charge in the Johnston book. He probably just repeats the version that is most common-- but I'll take a look into it later. Certainly, if anyone has access to the Japanese sources (I believe transcripts of the trial were published), that would be the source to cite. Dekkappai (talk) 16:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual perversion charge? 

message: I've applied the standard in WP:DATE, with dates based on Japanese Wikipedia article. The Japanese reads "current whereabouts unknown", but Sada Abe would be 103 if she is alive today, and it is likely she is dead; the English "death date unknown" is standard for Wikipedia, and vague enough to allow the narrow chance she remains alive. -Yamara ✉ 13:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Yamara. We will need a better source for her birthdate than Japanese Wikipedia, but I don't doubt there's one out there. I've found that Japanese Wikipedia is usually accurate, but just not as strict with sourcing as English Wiki. As for her death, indications are she died sometime in the 1980s. I see someone has removed a bit that was left over from before I started working on the article-- I couldn't find a source for it-- but I'm pretty sure one of my sources does mention the 1980s death theory, and I'll add that later. Dekkappai (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no other source beyond the Japanese Wikipedia for the birth date. If you do restore the death date with a cite, but if it is still vague as to which year, the proper form would be "c. 1987" (the likeliest or last possible year) not "198?" (question marks are to be avoided, as per WP:DATE). Hope this helps. Cheers, Yamara ✉ 01:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched the English sources and couldn't find a birth date, but I'll check Japanese sources... as long as the 2Channelers don't prohibit translation of info on Sada into English as "insulting to the motherland" :-(  The "198?" was added by an anon, I think, and it's not the right way to do this. By the way, here is an interesting YouTube link. I don't have sound here, but it appears to be a short interview with Sada at the age of 63: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymm0tdIppb0 Dekkappai (talk) 00:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The text covering her later life should also include some mention of her (presumable) death, even if it is something on the lines of "Her death appears to have gone unrecorded" or "unnoted", depending on just what is and is not known. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates of birth and death

message: In the article it says, "Though the prosecution demanded ten years, and she was hoping for the death penalty..." It isn't unusual for people in desperate circumstances to claim that they actually seek the outcome, which fate appears to be sending their way regardless. It isn't difficult to understand the psychology behind such claims. Still, saying it, is not the same as it being true. For that reason, some time back, I changed the sentence to indicate that that Abe "...claimed to hope..." that was reverted for bad phrasing. Fair enough, it was badly phrased, but I still feel that Abe's hope that she would receive the death penalty should not merely be stated as fact - especially when she failed to remedy the failure of the court to deliver such a penalty either while in jail, or subsequently when enjoying her celebrity.
I have now made a similar change but hopefully, phrased more clearly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 14:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we know that Abe hoped for the death penalty simply because she said that she did 

message: The introduction reads:
[...] is remembered in Japan for erotically asphyxiating her lover, [...], and then cutting off his penis and testicles [...]
This suggests that she killed her lover through the asphyxiation in an erotic play, although the text is not clear that this was the cause of his death or whether we have to assume an passionate "accident", a murder, mental confusion, all together, or something else, or whether this is ultimately known at all. The article later reports that she strangled her lover in his sleep, which I doubt should be described as "erotically asphyxiating", even if that practice was part of their prior sexual encounters. 
Could someone more familiar with the topic find a wording that addresses these issues, is clearer and more consistent? Ebab 18:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction unclear 

message: Two comments: 1) This article seems quite long and detailed for such a relatively unimportant 
biography. 2) The photo is hardly credible, and casts doubt on the article itself. Would somebody being arrested and the arresting officers really be broadly smiling like that? 174.21.114.175 (talk) 10:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm skeptical 

message: User:Chrisdbrowndotnet has twice, without explanation, changed the caption to the arrest photo from May 20 to May 21. I see a few websites that say she was arrested May 21, but none of these seems anywhere near as reliable as the source we use: . I don't have the book in front of me, but a Google books search shows that Johnston repeatedly names the arrest as May 20, with most of the newspaper reports on the arrest coming out on the morning of May 21. Most important, he captions the photo in question with May 20:
* p.12: "Newspapers on May 21 reported her arrest the day before..."
* p.13: FIGURE 1. Abe Sada immediately following her arrest, surrounded by police officers at Takanawa Police Station in Tokyo, May 20, 1936. Photo: The Mainichi Newspapers.
* p.113: "Some of the stories-- obviously written before her arrest the previous afternoon-- in the morning papers on May 21 still pondered Abe's whereabouts"
* p.115 FIGURE 7. A crowd gathered outside the Ogu police station at the word of Abe Sada's arrest, May 20, 1936. Photo: The Mainichi Newspapers
Johnston quite clearly and repeatedly places the arrest as May 20, so, unless there is better sourcing which gives May 21, I am changing it back. . Dekkappai (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 20 / May 21 

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message: Yes, there are multiple references listed. But the bulk of this article's content seems to be cribbed primarily from two books on the subject (Johnston and Marran) plus a few references from a third (Schreiber). It would take dedication from a knowledgeable editor, but to make this article wiki-worthy it should be revised with multiple perspectives and rewritten so as not to rehash the views of just a couple books. Brhiba (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources??? 

message: Since the name 'Sada Abe' and 'Abe Sada' appear more than 25 times written in both ways in the article, I chose to add the template to avoid confusion with the name. Agente Rolf (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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