Talk:Ocean's Eleven

message: Does anyone know why Don Cheadle was uncredited in this movie? Was it an accident or was it his choice? If it was his choice, why? 24.62.27.66 21:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is for the same reason that Julia Roberts is credited as "and introducing" - its most likely a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehmjay  (talk • contribs) 21:18, 30 August 2006
The accent is certainly a joke - not since Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins has such an excruciatingly lame attempt at a 'British' accent been screened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.49.243  (talk • contribs) 23:03, 28 May 2007
According to Wikipedia, Don Cheadle removed his name from the credits when it wasn't allowed to appear above the title in Ocean's Eleven (2001), presumably because his name would have alphabetically preceded George Clooney's and, unlike with the later sequels, the cast above the title was presented alphabetically (Clooney, Matt Damon, Andy García, Brad Pitt, and Julia Roberts).[2] The producers apparently wanted Clooney, not Cheadle, to be the first name a casual viewer of the advertising would see.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.110.164.150 (talk) 12:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

text: That might explain why his name isn't on the poster (...or maybe because he isn't a main character) but that doesn't explain why his is uncredited in the credits of the film. Also, since the information you have quoted from this article is unsourced, I have removed it. - Kollision (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Don Cheadle]]

message: In the DVD commentary Steven Soderbergh and Ted Griffin acknowledge a certain plot hole: How did the crew get the flyers of the hookers in the vault in the first place? 
True. An additional hole was getting Yen AND THE BRIEFCASE THAT WAS BEING SENT BY BENEDICT`S PEOPLE TO THE VAULT through the 1st security door by the mormon twins. Additionally the "I forgot my passkey" explaination is sloppy. Earlier in the movie the robbers removed the (single) guard at the door by the "baloon boy" play so that the Electrician (who did have the passkey) wouldn`t be recognised as an intruder. In the "Getting Yen into the vault" occassion there are two guards and neither of them suspects the twins who DON`T have the passkey. While the dispairity in number of guards could be explained by an assumption that the electronics room and the Vault in fact have separate enterances from the casino (i.e. those are not the same doors in question - hence the passkey from the first would`nt work on the second), the more lax security guards at the enterance to the Vault simply couldn`t. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.121.79  (talk • contribs) 16:53, 30 October 2006
-I think the plothole that was mentioned basically said that several bags went up the elevator and into the hands of Benedict's men when there was no one to put them there.--68.193.113.43 (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Hole

message: The trivia states that Brad Pitt is eating because he's so busy. I don't believe thats the reason.
If you think back the beginning of the movie, he's eating something outside the club he's at where Danny eventually meets him. Was he busy then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.173.112  (talk • contribs) 02:25, 24 April 2007
-Yes. He's a busy guy by nature. Who else could come up with 90% of the plan on the spot, just minutes after being asked about how to pull off the heist? "A Boesky... a Jim Brown..." A guy with skills like that habitually keeps busy (who wouldn't?)--117.254.9.95 (talk) 18:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eating

message: Isn't the summary - here and elsewhere wrong? Benedict finds out that the robbery he saw shown on the monitor screens was not happening - in other words, it was staged on the replica set they built. So, is the acrobat actually in the real vault? Are Clooney and Damon? Was the fake video live or a recording? I don't follow that bit of the movie at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.77.31  (talk • contribs) 21:57, 28 May 2007
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--Answer to plot question'''
The acrobat (Yen), Danny Ocean (Clooney), and Linus (Damon) were all in the real vault.  When Danny and Linus enter the vault to meet Yen, they arrive without any black bags to load the money.  Similarly, they do not arrive with the call girl advertisements either.
The point of the recording that Benedict was watching is that, Benedict was watching a recording that Oceans 11 made in their warehouse.  They made a complete replica of the vault in their warehouse, and the video they film is of burglars, all masked, loading the money in to black duffel bags.  As Benedict is watching this video (that was a recording), Yen, Danny, and Linus are in the vault (unmasked) stacking all the money in to the center of the vault and are waiting for the "SWAT" team to show up and make the exchange.  It's after they cut the power at some point and the SWAT team moves in that they switch the video so that it's no longer showing a recording, but is showing real time. Hope that helps Asmitty97 03:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the prison name as it's not really pertinent to the plot in any case. The location info might be useful in the Production section, if there's sourcing regarding it. Doniago (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot question

message: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Saul a German businessman, not a Russian one like the article claims? I've never heard of a Russian with the name Zerga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.113.22  (talk • contribs) 18:25, 12 July 2007
I think its not specified in the movie. But Zerga is definitely not a German name. As it was said on the bonus material of the DVD the language in which Saul speaks during the transfer of the briefcase was made up. His assistans are called "Michail" and "Vladimir" - typically Russian names.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.94.191.63 (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Saul

message: We have the following in the section "Real Life Models":
In the scene where Saul (Carl Reiner) is walking to the security room with Benedict (Andy Garcia) and is recognized by an old friend, he addresses Virgil (Casey Affleck) and Turk (Scott Caan) as "Mikhail" and "Vladimir" respectively. This is a Reference to Mikhail Kalinin and Vladimir Lenin, both of whom were revolutionaries during the Russian Revolution.
Maybe I'm being picky, but I don't see how that's a "real life model". That's a reference to two existing people, but has nothing to do with them other than the name, while the other points in "real life models" talk about people and events the movie has used as inspiration: the highly-technical robbery of a bank by a team of eleven as a model for the robbery in the film, and real life's developer of the target casinos as inspiration for Andy Garcia's character. While these actually work as models, I don't see how this applies to Mikhail and Vladimir. I would put them in another section: "references" (or something like that).
Opinions?
PoisonedQuill (talk) 16:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't noticed that before. I removed it as unsourced, but also it looks to just be some random observation. They are two very common Russian names. Good catch Gwynand (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mikhail and Vladimir as "Real Life Models" 

message: There are calculations that show $160 million would take up at least 2 cubic meters and weigh 1600kg. Hard to transport, but not too difficult to fit into 8 duffel bags, depending on the size. I'd Be Bold but I'm not sure what a proper reference for the capacity of a duffel bag is. I did find military duffels that are about 1/3 cubic meters capacity, so fitting that many bills into 8 of them would be no problem. In any case, the bags would then weigh 200kg (400lb) each, so they might have trouble lifting them, but that's a different goof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickbowman  (talk • contribs) 08:00, 10 August 2008
:A few of my friends and I came to the same conclusion, first by assuming you could stack bills with the same density as a university textbook, then determining how many bills/textbook (by pages and page size) then how many textbooks per bag. And we got roughly the same numbers; 200kg bags - which is actually 454lbs, not 400. And we were working under the assumption that the bills were not mixed, and were only in $100 sets. A casino would be expected to have mixed bills. Unfortunately none of this is reference-able. Annihilatron (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Goofs: Volume of bills

message: Currently the article says that an EMP would permanently destroy all electronics unless they were protected by lead. My understanding is that lead is protection against nuclear radiation and would offer no protection against electromagnetic radiation. I'm not an expert at this, but I would believe that only a Faraday's cage would protect electronics against an EMP attack. Tobtoh (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Goofs: EMP

message: Part of the article seemed to claim that Benedict was based on the real-life casino owner Wynn. And since I'm pretty sure the character of Benedict is morally reprehensible, I had to delete the comparison part. Wikipedia demands this kind of stuff; you can't even come close to comparing real life people to fictional scumbags. Policy is to err on the side of caution in deleting. Lots42 (talk) 15:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Benedict and Wynn

message: Bradd Pitt character in the film. Ikip (talk) 06:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rusty Ryan (2nd nomination)]]

message: * Entertainment Weekly
* Roger Ebert
* The New York Times
* USA Today
* The Village Voice
* '"San Francisco Chronicle
* Time
:To use with this article.--J.D. (talk) 19:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reviews

message: Is it really that noticeable that at one point Bill Murray was RUMORED to play a part? IchiGhost (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to my mind. Removed. Doniago (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Murray 

message: Isn't Frank recruited before Rusty as I've put?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpcohen1968 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recruitment order 

message: Thank goodness for a revision history so you can actually learn stuff. Whoever removed this section is a jerk because at least explained what the various names mean and the cons they are linked to!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.1.250 (talk) 16:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you revert the edit? I think that is relevant info and should be on this page. Not to mention it is interesting and I would like to know what they were.Millertime246 (talk) 17:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, can you source it so it isn't original research and is actually appropriate for inclusion? Doniago (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cons described??? 

message: In the scene when Bruiser first comes in, he hits Danny, and Danny says loudly "Bruiser! Not until later!", and then they have a regular conversation as Danny goes up the ventilation shaft. Later, when Bruiser is pretending to rough up Danny, they cut to the bodyguards outside and we hear Bruiser clearly. Were the bodyguards dumb? Were they in on it too? Did they tell Benedict about what happened off-screen, which led to them tailing Danny and Rusty at the end?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.133.233.124 (talk) 22:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were the bodyguards in on it too? 

message: Did he make a cameo (specifically in a flashback as a casino robber who was shot trying to escape from the Caesar's Palace)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.139.102 (talk) 19:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks so much like him, but I can'd find confirmation anywhere. In fact your post is one of the only things I could find. 23.233.20.102 (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Cusack 

message: I feel the production section is a bit heavy on the amount of speculation as to actors who considered participating in the film but in the end chose not to. There's actually very little there about any other aspect of production, it's mostly just filled with gossip about casting "coulda-been's". Perhaps someone with an interest in this film will be inspired to improve this in the future Jozsefs (talk) 11:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production section seems weak