Talk:Janissary

message: Changed B-Class referencing to No as some sections are missing citation.  Otherwise, article is fine.--dashiellx (talk) 11:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added plenty of refs and it's been re-assessed as B-class. More eyes on this would be appreciated. --ROGER DAVIES talk 21:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Wikipedia 0.7

message: I removed the following and bring it here for discussion:
:Initially a small compact force of elite troops, they grew in size and power during the five centuries of their existence until they eventually became a threat to the fabric of the Ottoman empire. In their later years, they mutinied whenever an attempt was made to reform them, deposing and murdering those sultans they regarded as enemies.
This is completely unreferenced, and makes some very strong claims, to boot.  This has to be cited or stay gone. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 19:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a rather strange action, since the Janissaries had to be disbanded with extreme force and violence due to their direct threat to the Ottoman State, as a whole section in the article explains.  Unreferenced?  Whole library full of books have been written about why and how they were disbanded, some are mentioned here.  Did you even read the article?  Please restore the above.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.156.90 (talk) 03:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this months ago, and you come now demanding I restore it?  Interesting.  If there are so many great sources, then add one to the lede that shows this statement to be true. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 14:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs in lede 

message: There is a controversy about being celibate as a Janissary:
"They were subject to strict discipline, but they were paid salaries and pensions on retirement, and were free to marry; those conscripted through devşirme formed a distinctive social class[...]"
but then "Janissaries trained under strict discipline with hard labour and in practically monastic conditions in acemi oğlan ("rookie" or "cadet") schools, where they were expected to remain celibate."
What's correct now? -- Halk52 (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The first, I suppose, refers to Janisseries overall; the second to their initial period of training. It doesn't seem very controversial to me.  Roger Davies talk 06:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celibacy controversy 

message: Yeniçeri means "new soldier" in Turkish.
F.Mehmet (talk) 13:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it says yeniçeri. The letter ک in this word (and many words derived from old Turkic and have velar nasal) symbolises velar nasal in Ottoman Turkish. During Ottoman times, we wrote "yeni"يکى -"new" You proved its Turkish origin yourself. See Ottoman Turkish. Greetings. F.Mehmet (talk) 12:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yeniçeri 

message: Sokollu Mehmed Paşa (family name: Sokolovic) was a christian Serb from Bosnia not a Bosniak. He became a muslim shortly before he was turned into a member of the janissary. The history of the Balkans may be difficult, but nonetheless the article should be based on facts, which are worldwide known.--80.133.175.6 (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I bet you haven't got a neutral source for this information. Mehmed Paşa's origin is not known. Maybe he was a Bosniak, maybe he was a Serbian, it does not change anything. The most important thing is that he is an Ottoman. Greetings.F.Mehmet (talk) 18:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sokollu Mehmed Paşa / Mehmet Pasa Sokolovic 

message: ceddin deden was written in 20th century. if you look at the lyrics, you can see the nationalism there. 
nationalism isn't the best thing for empires, i suppose.
btw, it was written by ismail hakkı bey.
--78.171.96.86 (talk) 01:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: İsmail Hakkı Bey (1860-1929). And it was composed by Kaptanzâde Ali Rıza Bey (1881-1934). Takabeg (talk) 20:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceddin Deden 

message: There seems to be something missing between the first and second sentances here (and the 2nd sentance doesn't seem to be in quite the right style or tone either):
:The Janissaries became the first Ottoman standing army, replacing forces that mostly contained tribal warriors (ghazis) whose loyalty and morale were not always guaranteed.[1]But they all learned Islam in the madrasas and each of them became a Muslim. Turks took them as slaves but showed mercy and they stayed in the closest rooms to the Sultan's room. Turks themselves were not strangers to the "slave-soldier" system, since Turkish slaves and mercenaries served as memluk or ghilman soldiers in the Abbasid and Fatimid Empires. Ghaznavid Turks also used Afghan and İndian slaves in such manner.
Wardog (talk) 14:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This paragraph appears to be missing something in the middle 

message: I consider it an omission not to mention famous Janissaries as Koca Mimar Sinan and Piri Reis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.228.112.194 (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree for Mimar Sinan, but are there any sources that Piri Reis was a janissary?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Janissaries 

message: Mladic made reference to this term in a video in the trial, which can be seen at BBC news. Dahis redirects here, but the term occurs only once in the article, without explanation of what it is/means. Could someone possibly fix this? --Dweller (talk) 11:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dahis? 

message: Why are there so many translations in paranthesis in the first paragraph? Should all of those even be there?
Robert (talk) 16:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  It is entirely unnecessary, unless those translations hold direct historical significance (e.g. the Turkish translation).  I'm removing all the translations other than the turkish translation.  If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to revert it, but please comment here so we can have a discussion as to why those are necessary (in the lead of all places) --Nick2253 (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations in the intro paragraph

message: In the infobox, the colours are Red and Green, but there is also an Blue Uniform type.
--Sevenman2345   — Preceding undated comment added 12:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform colours

message: In the Equipment section, there is the line "In particular, they used a massive 'trench gun', firing an 80-millimetre (3.1 in) ball,[citation needed]"
I have doubts that anyone carried around essentially a miniature cannon that shot a 3.1 inch lead ball.  There is no citation for this and if no one can come up with one it should probably be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.153.114.129 (talk) 15:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equipment: "Trench Gun with 80mm ball?" 

message: This article makes extensive use of unreliable sources. Alan Palmer and Lord Kinross are/were not academic historians, their books can't be used as serious sources on an encyclopedia. Likewise large segments of the article are based upon Glenn Hubbard and Tim Kane's book Balance. Neither of these people are historians of the Ottoman Empire. This article must be based on sound, reliable, scholarly sources by historians who actually specialize in this topic. If you write an article based on books by people who aren't experts, then you're going to get a lot of distortion and misinformation. Chamboz (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources 

message: In the paragraph "Origins", I read this sentence: "The Janissaries were kapıkulları". Anyway, the plural is not "kapıkulları", but "kapıkullar", unless Ottoman Turkish used another ending.
Sorry if I made any mistake.
Treuiller (talk) 14:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's just not correct, sorry. The plural of kapıkulu is kapıkulları. The word merges two nouns together "kapı" and "kul" so you need to include the -i/ı/u/ü suffix based on vowel harmony. For kapıkul it's 'u' and for kapıkullar it's ı. 'kapıkullar' without this addition is grammatically incorrect, it would be like writing "kapıkul" for the singular. It's not related to a difference between Ottoman and modern Turkish (the Ottoman word is actually kapukulları). Chamboz (talk) 14:28, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "kapıkulları" or "kapıkullar" 

message: I am only a reader who read such biased info here. Instead, I read from various history books that Janissary recruits were recruited IF a Christian family have six boys, so one-only was picked to be given to country. Also there were incidents, which in some Balkan regions, locals were offended if Janissary recruiters did not visit their village for this prestigious duty (because of high salary, and possibility of raising as a Vizier, such as intelligent boys were picked for Enderun (Vizier school) and normal boys were picked for Janissary school, and dumb boys were picked for to be raised as shipwright or porter).
Thus saying Janissary recruits were kidnapped is wrong. Surely there could be rare instances, however mainly there was a solid system which Janissary recruiters visiting villages and inspecting children amounts of Christian families.
Thanks for other nice proper information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.247.131 (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There were families that bribed officials to enlist their children, I will add that when I have spare time wtih a proper source.--Visnelma (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were Janissary recruits kidnapped? -Please fix 

message: dismiss evidence that Janissary were armed with firearms of any sort.
07:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  evidence 

message: Janissary are in fact a sect within the Sunni Muslim whose loyalty to the Ottoman Caliphate, Janissary were born Muslim and their rivals were different rulers whom claimed to be the Caliphate.
15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  sect 

message: who was the gun manufacturer of the Janissary and what evidence do we have that the Janissary were armed with firearms?
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thread_title:  gun manufacturer