Talk:T. Rex (band)

message: Dates/circumstances of deaths of band members are a normal part of a band page.  Blanking these details is pointless.  As I have said, there is already a Marc Bolan page and there is no need to turn the T.Rex page into a second one.  16:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Those ex-members left the band far before the end of T Rex. This information belongs to the articles about these musicians. BTW, this is part of the present rfc as it concerns the same topic/section "see the revision 12:43, 3 July 2019".Woovee (talk) 19:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For a start, Dino Dines was still in the band at the time of Marc's death.  Blanking the dates/circumstances of deaths of band members from a band article is an extraordinary and weird step - this information is a normal part of band pages - for example The Beatles ended in 1970 but John Lennon's shooting and George Harrison's cancer are both listed on there.  The Small Faces article mentions the deaths of keyboardist Ian McLagen and shortlived SF mk2 guitarist Jimmy McCulloch, both after all band activity had ceased. Deleting basic details like this makes one wonder what you have planned next!  Like I said, this is the T.Rex (band) article and there is a separate Marc Bolan article; there is no need to turn this into a second Bolan article.62.190.148.115 (talk) 07:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: These comparisons don't work because The Beatles was a band with four individuals, constantly together for promotion. This is why the Beatles article included those information about the death of Harrison and Lennon obviously. Woovee (talk) 11:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Bolan/Took and Bolan/Finn were certainly all together for promotion for the first five albums (and even with Electric Warrior, Mickey Finn got one whole side to himself of George Underwood artwork on the inner sleeve (with Bolan on the other side.) 62.190.148.115 (talk) 12:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

text:  Come to think of it, I've never seen a single solo promotional photo of Bolan between late '67 and mid '71 unless it was one well known to be cropped down from a bigger picture.  Both lineups of Tyrannosaurus Rex were presented, at least to the hippy public, as a band with two individuals, constantly together for promotion.2.24.71.107 (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ex band members deaths deleted? 

message: This RfC has expired. Since  is doing some work on the page, I'll let the* decide if the wants to re-input the section or not.
.* ( not sure btw, if the accusative declension  of "the" should be them or ther or thim or whatever so just used the nominative to avoid offence.) 2.24.71.107 (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Them" is fine. Thanks, 2.24, no offense taken. Netherzone (talk) 15:35, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Expired

message: "...the two began performing acoustic material as a duo with a repertoire of folk-influenced Bolan-penned songs with an eastern flavour, an obvious homage to Indian musician Ravi Shankar." This remains unattested in the article because it never happened. I have every album Tyrannosaurus Rex ever recorded before they became T. Rex, and during that acoustic phase, Bolan was immersed in Celtic and European folk culture and myth, and his songwriting reflected this. None of it was ever "eastern"-oriented either lyrically or musically, and none of it sounded even remotely like Ravi Shankar. That this Wikipedia article asserts this spreads misinformation and does a grave injustice to both Bolan and Shankar. rowley (talk) 22:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you or other editors find reliable sources to support or deny the fact that Eastern music influenced TRex? Netherzone (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have to provide sources to support the contention that there is no basis for claiming Tyrannosaurus Rex's music was EVER "...an obvious homage to Indian musician Ravi Shankar." The claim itself is unsupportable, and the burden of proof rests on the claimant; there is no such influence. Bolan's musical influences at this time were American rock & roll, rendered with mostly acoustic instruments, and his subject matter was British, Celtic, Western European, and Persian myth and folklore. There is, and never was, any Indian musical influence in his ouevre, and most especially, no direct (or "obvious") "homage" to Ravi Shankar. rowley (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I got curious enough to do a google search: Marc Bolan Eastern influence. As it turns out, it was actually written about in several sources and at least one book that describe an Eastern influence., , , ,  In Phillip Auslander's book, Performing Glam Rock: Gender and Theatricality in Popular Music, it is written on page 92: "It was Ravi Shankar's performance of Indian music...That really tripped Marc's mind." (quote from Paytress Bolan 89). Auslander goes on to say: Tyrannosaurus Rex fully adopted Shankar's performance style, including the carpet, the incense, the seated posture, and even the reverential audience." In the footnote it is stated that the influence was the performer's style, but that Bolan & Took were "never as seriously interested in Eastern music, culture, religion or philosophy as George Harrison." So it seems the influence exists enough that it has been written about (I only looked at the first few hits on google). Netherzone (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Because some web commentator perceived (or imagined) a commonality (one that one must note in passing that many others have affected at one time or another), that doesn't make it an "obvious homage" — or even an "influence." To assert it as a fact, when it has never been more than some third party's opinion (while making it seem, spuriously, like a musical influence) is contrary to Wikipedia's mandate to present factual data. rowley (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure what you mean by "some web commentator perceived". It is written in both Mark Pantress' book, "Bolan: The Rise and Fall of a 20th Century Superstar" and in Phillip Auslander's book, Performing Glam Rock: Gender and Theatricality in Popular Music that Shankar was indeed an influence. Those are both RS's. Netherzone (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  As you quoted, above, though, while Bolan may have adopted some superficial aspects (what amounts to stage dressing) of the performance of traditional Indian music, it had no influence on the music, itself. This needs to be clear in the article text. rowley (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand the nuance you are pointing out, rowley. What do you think about this suggested reworking of the text: Subsequently, Bolan retained the services of Porter, who switched to percussion under the name Steve Peregrin Took, and the two began performing acoustic material as a duo with a repertoire of folk-influenced Bolan-penned songs. After seeing an influential performance by Ravi Shankar, the band adopted a stage manner resembling the performance of traditional Indian music. Netherzone (talk) 12:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have modified the text to reflect the content in the two book citations re: Ravi Shankar's influence. Netherzone (talk) 13:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  That sounds accurate. Thank you. rowley (talk) 00:37, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was never "eastern" influenced 

message: Musical Doodle You have recently made several changes to the T.Rex band timeline. These types of changes normally undergo a discussion on the talk page. In the future please post an inquiry or suggestion on the talk page, and wait until consensus is reached among editors. Netherzone (talk) 18:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline changes 

message: This edit is constantly reverted by a user. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, there is no need to put a string of sources at the end of a sentence, looking like this [4], [5], [6] whereas one can gather many different sources within only one reference using the Constanty (sic)?
 A nonsensical exaggeration. BTW, there was another editor who also reverted the ganging of the references. MOS suggests gaining consensus before changing the style of refs. Netherzone (talk) 21:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Other once</u>.  I personally thought tidying the refs was a good idaa (and it's rare that I agree with Woovee over something on here), but the consensus was against it so I didn't make any more of a fight over it.Romomusicfan (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 2019

message: Regarding this edit, . User Romomusicfan sounds like a relative of one of the musicians who worked with Bolan. So the wp:onus is on them to demonstrate that T.Rex was not entirely relying on Bolan's figure and add sources showing how these musicians could have carried on singing under T. rex Banner. Good chance. Mediocrity at best Woovee (talk) 17:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please no personal attacks or personal accusations here or in edit summaries. Civil conduct is an official WP policy requiring that users "always treat each other with consideration and respect." Focus on edits not on contributors. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Courtesy ping  since you are discussing his edit. Netherzone (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you .  Woovee if you have the slightest scrap of evidence other than vague intimations that I or anyone else is "related" to anyone involved then I defy you to escalate your claims via the relevant channels and procedures. (For what it's worth I have met the late Mickey Finn and Bill Legend once each, both long ago and saw Finn's band (after his death) one time in 2009 at the 100 Club in London.  Also for what it's worth I thought they were OK but have no issue with anyone rating them as "Mediocrity at best".  After all there are plenty of mediocre - even downright HORRID - bands who are nonetheless without doubt elligible for mentions or even full articles on Wikipedia.) Romomusicfan (talk) 09:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was a much simpler problem with that edit, namely the fact that you have vaguely indicated a particular book as your source (presumably Mark Paytress's 2003 biography "Bolan - The Rise and Fall of a 20th Century Superstar") but have failed to provide a page number or a quote from the text to show what particular content in this book - if any - verifies the claim that Bolan's death was the final end of this band.Romomusicfan (talk) 09:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I was under the impression that we cleared up this matter some time ago. The band did not "ultimately end" when Marc Bolan died. The aleged opinion of one writer Mark Paytress, who may or may not have made that statement (it does not matter either way); does not make it "true", as various other band members went on to develop at least two tribute/spinoff bands, X-T.Rex and Mickey Finn's T-Rex.  is correct. -  Netherzone (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Reiterating what I have stated above,  is correct. The band did not "ultimately end" when Marc Bolan died. The aleged opinion of Paytress, who may or may not have made that statement (it does not matter either way); does not make it "true". After Bolan's death other band members went on to develop at least two tribute/spinoff bands, X-T.Rex and Mickey Finn's T-Rex. Netherzone (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Additionally, Paytress only alegedly made that statement as it is not verifiable that he actually made that claim at all; an extensive search of the book does not verify it. Verifiablily is a key policy of the encyclopedia. Even if it were found that Paytress made that statement, that is only one point of view which gives undue weight to a single source. NPOV states that "neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources". Billboard magazine clearly states: "But in 1997, after band members received a rapturous reception at a public performance to commemorate Bolan’s 1977 death, the group reformed with Finn, original band member Paul Fenton, and several new musicians. They performed all over Europe and were particularly popular in Germany. The group recorded an album, “Renaissance,” in 2000."  If we are to achieve balance, then both viewpoints should be included in the article, per "when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, describe both points of view and work for balance." Netherzone (talk) 01:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  EDIT: Here is the updated URL for the archived thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_227#T.Rex_(band). Romomusicfan (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I'm not even sure Paytress made such a statement, particularly in his second Bolan book as briefly cited. (If a page number and quote can be provided for authentication, that would be fair enough.) Romomusicfan (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I thought it automatically notified the parties concerned.  I have already notified , I shall notify  also.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have left a note on 's talk page.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have allowed time for a response by .  There has been none.  Have made the first of my two posts as requested by .  If there is no response from  either there or here, such that this thread ends up being closed or threatened with closure due to inacticvity (or whatever similar reason) I feel I would be well within my rights to revert 's last reversion and reinstate the CN and Neutrality notes complete with reason tags.  I don't want a revert war but all this silence could frankly be interpreted as  having dropped any disagreement with my reasoning! Romomusicfan (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Have done so below.  Do Woovee and myself still need to get our remaining posts (my second and both of Woovee's) done on the talk page as requested by yourself above, or is that abandoned now? Romomusicfan (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: If moderated discussion is closed and subsequently the other editor returns and the dispute resumes, what recourses will we then have? Romomusicfan (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: A note/reference about T. Rex after Bolan's death: was it still a band  

message: 1) I have had a look through WP:NOT and cannot find any reference to how WP:FORUM - as you claim  - prohibits comments containing divering viewpoints on Reason notes on tags such as Citation Needed or Neutraility disputed.  It would be unreasonable to expect neutralty to be challenged without stating the opposing viewpoint.
2)In any case stating that bands exist containing former members, whose premise is that they are reactivations of T.Rex, is not an opinion.  Furthermore I put in my notes how such claims are vocally rejected by many including yourself.
3)If anything, considering (2) above, it is the bald statement that Bolan's death consituted the final end of T.Rex that is the Opinion if it cannot be specifically supported by a reference (other than an unspecified report of a mention *somewhere* in a very long book).Romomusicfan (talk) 17:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Reiterating what I have stated above,  is correct. The band did not "ultimately end" when Marc Bolan died. The aleged opinion of Paytress, who may or may not have made that statement (it does not matter either way); does not make it "true". After Bolan's death other band members went on to develop at least two tribute/spinoff bands, X-T.Rex and Mickey Finn's T-Rex. Netherzone (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Additionally, Paytress only alegedly made that statement as it is not verifiable that he actually made that claim at all; an extensive search of the book does not verify it. Verifiablily is a key policy of the encyclopedia. Even if it were found that Paytress made that statement, that is only one point of view which gives undue weight to a single source. NPOV states that "neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources". Billboard magazine clearly states: "But in 1997, after band members received a rapturous reception at a public performance to commemorate Bolan’s 1977 death, the group reformed with Finn, original band member Paul Fenton, and several new musicians. They performed all over Europe and were particularly popular in Germany. The group recorded an album, “Renaissance,” in 2000."  If we are to achieve balance, then both viewpoints should be included in the article, per "when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, describe both points of view and work for balance." Netherzone (talk) 01:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion as requested by [[WP:DRN]] volunteer {{u|Robert McClenon}}

message: Hi Woovee.  (Cc to your talk page)
In your absence the DRN thread has concluded with consensus between Netherzone and myself under moderator guidance to include a short paragraph about the "reunion" bands.  As per the duscussion, should you disagree with our connsensus about - or should you choose to unilaterately revert or significantly modify - the text as we have agreed it, we will proceed to a Request For Comment discussion board topic about this article.
The thread is currently located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#T.Rex_(band) .  I will post a reply with an updated URL once the discussion is archived.
:: EDIT: Here is the updated URL for the archived thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_227#T.Rex_(band). Romomusicfan (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even sure Paytress made such a statement, particularly in his second Bolan book as briefly cited. (If a page number and quote can be provided for authentication, that would be fair enough.) Romomusicfan (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I thought it automatically notified the parties concerned.  I have already notified , I shall notify  also.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have left a note on 's talk page.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have allowed time for a response by .  There has been none.  Have made the first of my two posts as requested by .  If there is no response from  either there or here, such that this thread ends up being closed or threatened with closure due to inacticvity (or whatever similar reason) I feel I would be well within my rights to revert 's last reversion and reinstate the CN and Neutrality notes complete with reason tags.  I don't want a revert war but all this silence could frankly be interpreted as  having dropped any disagreement with my reasoning! Romomusicfan (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Have done so below.  Do Woovee and myself still need to get our remaining posts (my second and both of Woovee's) done on the talk page as requested by yourself above, or is that abandoned now? Romomusicfan (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: If moderated discussion is closed and subsequently the other editor returns and the dispute resumes, what recourses will we then have? Romomusicfan (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute Resolution Noticeboard conclusion

message: Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
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Dispute overview
Circa 2019 Woovee deleted sections relating to T.Rex reuinion projects Mickey Finn's T-Rex and X-T. Rex (formerly Bill Legend's T. Rex) and input a statement in the article that "As Bolan had been the only constant member of T. Rex and also the only composer and writer, his death ultimately ended the band."  It was Woovee's stated view that the possible validity of such reunion bands was a fringe/minority viewpoint underserving of coverage.  I tagged Woovee's statement for CN and recently added a neutrality disputed tag and input an IMHO even-handedly worded reason in both tags relating to the controversies relating to such projects.  Woovee deleted the tags, stating that the reasoning given amounted to "introducing opinions" into the article in contravention of WP:NOT and insinuating that I must be motivated by somehow being related to the musicians involved (I am not!)
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:T. Rex (band)#RfC on Disputed Reformations section
Talk:T. Rex (band)#A note/reference about T. Rex after Bolan's death: was it still a band
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Immediate resolution is required about the validity of my tags of Woovee's statement including the Reason given.  
In the long term, resolution is required about whether the subject of these reunion bands should be covered in the T.Rex article or not.
===== Summary of dispute by Woovee =====
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
===== Summary of dispute by Netherzone =====
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
The timing of this is not great for me as I am travelling and in the middle of a vacation, and it is difficult (and unpleasant) for me to concentrate on a dispute at this time. I thought we cleared up this matter some time ago, and was surprised it has resurfaced. Briefly, my position is that the band did not "ultimately end" when Marc Bolan died. That the opinion of the writer Mark Paytress, who alegedly made that statement, does not make it "true" as various other band members went on to develop at least two tribute/spinoff bands, X-T.Rex and Mickey Finn's T-Rex. I believe that the position of the editor  who opened this discussion is correct the article should not make the claim that the band ultimately ended when Mark Bolan died, or that both POVs (the band ended/the band did not end) should be included and each be reliably sourced (with page numbers if applicable). Note: I re-read the DRN rules and have modified the sentence above so as to comment solely on content, and not on contributors. Netherzone (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even sure Paytress made such a statement, particularly in his second Bolan book as briefly cited. (If a page number and quote can be provided for authentication, that would be fair enough.) Romomusicfan (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I thought it automatically notified the parties concerned.  I have already notified , I shall notify  also.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have left a note on 's talk page.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have allowed time for a response by .  There has been none.  Have made the first of my two posts as requested by .  If there is no response from  either there or here, such that this thread ends up being closed or threatened with closure due to inacticvity (or whatever similar reason) I feel I would be well within my rights to revert 's last reversion and reinstate the CN and Neutrality notes complete with reason tags.  I don't want a revert war but all this silence could frankly be interpreted as  having dropped any disagreement with my reasoning! Romomusicfan (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Have done so below.  Do Woovee and myself still need to get our remaining posts (my second and both of Woovee's) done on the talk page as requested by yourself above, or is that abandoned now? Romomusicfan (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

text: If moderated discussion is closed and subsequently the other editor returns and the dispute resumes, what recourses will we then have? Romomusicfan (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  T.Rex (band) 

message: Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
The timing of this is not great for me as I am travelling and in the middle of a vacation, and it is difficult (and unpleasant) for me to concentrate on a dispute at this time. I thought we cleared up this matter some time ago, and was surprised it has resurfaced. Briefly, my position is that the band did not "ultimately end" when Marc Bolan died. That the opinion of the writer Mark Paytress, who alegedly made that statement, does not make it "true" as various other band members went on to develop at least two tribute/spinoff bands, X-T.Rex and Mickey Finn's T-Rex. I believe that the position of the editor  who opened this discussion is correct the article should not make the claim that the band ultimately ended when Mark Bolan died, or that both POVs (the band ended/the band did not end) should be included and each be reliably sourced (with page numbers if applicable). Note: I re-read the DRN rules and have modified the sentence above so as to comment solely on content, and not on contributors. Netherzone (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even sure Paytress made such a statement, particularly in his second Bolan book as briefly cited. (If a page number and quote can be provided for authentication, that would be fair enough.) Romomusicfan (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of dispute by Netherzone 

message: Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
*Volunteer Note - There are two areas that need to be dealt with.  The recent discussion has not been continuing long enough.  So resume discussion at the article talk page.  The filing party has not notified the other editors.  Please notify them on their user talk pages.  I am neither opening nor closing this case at this time.  Try to discuss the issue for at least 24 hours with at least two more posts from each editor.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I thought it automatically notified the parties concerned.  I have already notified , I shall notify  also.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have left a note on 's talk page.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have allowed time for a response by .  There has been none.  Have made the first of my two posts as requested by .  If there is no response from  either there or here, such that this thread ends up being closed or threatened with closure due to inacticvity (or whatever similar reason) I feel I would be well within my rights to revert 's last reversion and reinstate the CN and Neutrality notes complete with reason tags.  I don't want a revert war but all this silence could frankly be interpreted as  having dropped any disagreement with my reasoning! Romomusicfan (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  T.Rex (band) discussion 

message: The editors should read the usual rules, and should each make a statement saying that they agree to moderated discussion subject to the usual rules.  If there is agreement for moderated discussion, we will proceed with moderated discussion.
Robert McClenon (talk) 02:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have done so below.  Do Woovee and myself still need to get our remaining posts (my second and both of Woovee's) done on the talk page as requested by yourself above, or is that abandoned now? Romomusicfan (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement one-half by moderator (T. Rex)

message: I agree to moderated discussion subject to the usual rules.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement one-half by editors (T. Rex)

message: I am opening this case for moderated discussion.  Please read the rules again.  Be civil and concise.  Comment on content, not contributors.  Discuss the article here rather than on the article talk page, and do not edit the article.
I am asking each editor to state, in one paragraph, what they want changed in the article, or what they want left the same that someone else wants changed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: First statement by moderator (T Rex)

message: Ideally I would like the "ultimately ended the band" sentence either taken out or replaced with something less definite along the lines of the band "deactivating" at the point of Bolan's death.  Also a brief section (no more than a quick paragraph) on the subject of the two "revival" bands such as existed on the article prior to Woovee's 2018/2019 edits - probably in more concise form than the old version - should be input.  As a compromise I would accept the existing wording with the CN and Neutrality tags with the Reason notes re. the "revival" bands - such as it was when I added the Reason notes - to be left up long term.Romomusicfan (talk) 09:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: First statements by editors (T Rex)

message: Two editors have made statements as to what should be changed, and there seem to be two or so matters of agreement.  Is there agreement to remove the sentence that ends in "ultimately ended the band"?  Is there agreement to reinsert the section on revival bands?  
Does each editor have any other comments on the other suggestions?  Does either editor have any specific other ideas for improvements to the article?  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Second statement by moderator (T. Rex)

message: I would say that there is broad agreement between we two editors who have so far participated. (I am striving to make this point in a manner compliant with number 3 of the Rules.) However, we do both come from the same side of the discussion, so perhaps that is unsurprising.  I would advocate turning the "ultimately ended" statement into a line saying the band disbanded rather than simply deleting the sentence The remainder of that paragraph is a very good section about the post band careers of T.Rex sidemen 1967-1973 and should be kept unchanged and unaffected by this edit. I would suggest that a second paragraph then  be added to this section condensing the old Attempts At Reforming section down to bare bones. Romomusicfan (talk) 21:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Second statements by editors (T. Rex)

message: Three editors are listed as participating in this discussion.  Two of the editors are mostly in agreement, and one has not edited in ten days.  I am putting moderated discussion on hold for maybe a week, during which time the two editors may edit the article and may discuss their edits either here or on the article talk page.  If the other editor returns and disagrees with their edits, moderated discussion can be reopened.  Otherwise moderated discussion can be closed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If moderated discussion is closed and subsequently the other editor returns and the dispute resumes, what recourses will we then have? Romomusicfan (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Third statement by moderator (T. Rex)

message: Have made the edits as requested above by the moderator.Romomusicfan (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Third statements by editors (T. Rex)

message: If the other editor who has not edited in two weeks, with whom there were disagreements, returns and reverts the edits, or disagrees with them, a Request for Comments is probably the best approach.  An RFC is often the best way of dealing with an editor who appears to be in a minority or editing against consensus, because it establishes a binding consensus.  
At this point, there has been normal editing of the article for four days.  I will close the moderated discussion in between one and three more days.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth statement by moderator (T. Rex)

message: Romomusicfan (talk) 08:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Back-and-forth discussion (T Rex)