Talk:History of manga

message: I don't understand how One Piece isn't included in this article when it is the most successful manga in Japan, and has been breaking records. That has something to do with the history of manga.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.175.95 (talk) 23:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it might. If you can find reliably sourced and referenced citations connecting One Piece to the history of manga, please add them. But mere opinions about manga being successful aren't enough. Timothy Perper (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: No One Piece?

message: Kern, Adam. (2006). Manga from the Floating World: Comicbook Culture and the Kibyoshi of Edo Japan. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. ISBN-10: 0674022661; ISBN-13: 978-0674022669.
Kern, Adam. (editor) (2007). Kibyoshi: The World’s First Comicbook? Symposium. International Journal of Comic Art, Volume 9, Number 1, Spring 2007, pages 1-486.
Timothy Perper 17:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article has been updated with the contents of the history section of the Manga article. That section (in the Manga article) will now be turned into a summary of this page. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: What was the first manga? If anyone knows, we should add it. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Before World War II section covers this. There's not really any one manga which is considered the first, but there are several contributors to the evolution of manga discussed there. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Manga 

message: I think this article fails to mention the early Western influences on manga, such as Tokyo Puck, and imported pre-WWII American comic strips. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are correct. The article is not complete. As time permits, I will add more material to it (I wrote most, but not all, of the article). If you would like to add sourced and referenced material, that would be a big help. But, if you would, please do not add unsourced statements; they add nothing of any scholarly value to the article. Timothy Perper (talk) 08:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I might borrow Schodt's or Gravett's books from the library, when time permits. I just thought that was a significant part of manga history, which was completely ignored. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The French Wikipedia article on manga goes through that period rather thoroughly: fr:Manga#De 1861 à 1931 . 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Western influences

message: Is the spelling not Toba scrolls, from the author Toba Sōjō? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tobae scrolls

message: Having read this article, I have to agree with Doceirias's upgrade of this article to B class, but am wondering: has it ever been considered to list the article for peer review/good article status? G.A.S  19:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, to my knowledge it has never been reviewed for GA status. It might be helpful to do that, but I have some reservations about it being  GA. There's a lot left out of this article (I know because I wrote the first draft way back when.) One topic omitted is a more thorough coverage of pre-WW2 manga and its Tokugawa era predecessors. A good Wiki article on a closely related topic is Katsuji Matsumoto. Also omitted is a discussion of changes in manga aesthetics and stylistics. I've never listed an article for review, so if you want to, by all means, but please note my reservations. I also have much less time now to provide the kinds of details and references I know the article needs. Timothy Perper (talk) 06:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part, this would be the prerogative of the main editors of the article (i.e. it is your right to do so). Good luck with the article. G.A.S  07:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  B Class Review 

message: Is it just me or does this article read more like "gender in manga" and "shojo manga" than general manga history in the majority of it? It's like someone just pasted the whole shojo manga article into the middle of this one. These are good topics but maybe it should be cut down in favor of the development of the art form in its entirety in a historical narrative. In the shonen portion too, it seems to suffer from too much details about specific stories/characteristics of manga and not about a establishing the 'manga history' narrative. Chunky Peanut Butter. 
--Vehgah (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Reads a bit imbalanced. 

message: Their are manga clearly before the 18th century as far back as the 12th century historians have recognized artwork as manga.陣内Jinnai 21:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Question of definition, I'd say, but if someone identifies them as manga, feel free to include them, preferably with sources. The Japanese term "manga" is actually rather broad, comparable to "cartoon" in English. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added info and sources to back it up. Tried editing the lead so that it doesn't violate WP:NPOV since their are claims made to the disputed origins being 12th century. Wanted to make certain things look fine before I remove the tag.陣内Jinnai 22:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't have a source, but the Chinese writing system was apparently imported in the 4th century, and for several centuries, China was the main source for all cultural imports. The idea that these scrolls alone form the basis for the reading direction of manga seems rather far-fetched. With books and literature written right-to-left, it's a natural evolution to transfer to another medium. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, what is the source you have for that statement? There's no direct footnote, so it's unclear. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, it's from Deb Aoki. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

text: It's not a source, really, but the Japanese literature article mentions the deep impact that China has had on Japanese literature. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that Chinese had an impact, but the amount is debatable and until there is verifiable evidence to the contrary, her statement stands. However, I have added a dubious tag next to the ref as their is continuation about the statement.陣内Jinnai 20:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual accuracy 

message: A long discussion on graphic novel between Matthias Wivel & Xavier Guilbert. Manga as graphic novel was discussed. To spare you a long long reading i quoted what i found interesting on manga  here. --KrebMarkt 08:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: Is there any reason why "manga" and "history of manga" are two separate pages? Genuinely curious.  ParXivalRPT (talk) 01:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine with Manga page?