Talk:Dokka Umarov

message: March 11, 2011
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110311/162963176.html
Connection to Domodedovo airport attack, sanctions, terror groups, etc.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.242.133 (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: UN Security Council puts Chechen militant Dokka Umarov on terrorist list

message: Allright we seem to be going through an edit war with regards to whether Doku surrendered or not.  I'm changing the article to state that he was reported to have surrendered.  Here is my citation:
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-08-18T110904Z_01_L18593319_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RUSSIA-CHECHNYA-COL.XML
If you have any information that indicates this report is false (a statement by his organization, news agency, etc.) please post it.
:Where's the rolleyes icon when it's needed? --HanzoHattori 13:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Surrender

message: I don’t think "kavkazcenter" serves as a valid source any more than various Jihadist underground internet sites would be accepted as sources on the 9/11 article.
In addition, you seem to be going for a deliberate biased POV presentation of the case, when you insist on using words like "claimed", "changed once again", "this time claiming". I have provided perfectly reasonable but less POV alternatives, which just as well convey the facts. Plese don't delete Rune X2 11:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: kavkazcenter

message: I agree kavkazcenter is grossly untrustworthy -- even by jihadist standards.
Mairbek Vachagayev is in Paris. He used to represent the late Mashkadov. He might know something about Doku Umarov, but how honest he will be about it another question. You can probably reach Vachagayev via the Jamestown Foundation:
http://www.jamestown.org/authors_details.php?author_id=237
142.179.124.67 01:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: sources, try Vachagayev?

message: Is that entry really important?  We've heard countless stories about Chechen leaders being surrounded by Russian forces throughout the war and almost nothing ever comes from them.  And this is what, the 15th time he's been wounded?  The guy must be a walking mass of scar tissue by now.  DarthJesus 02:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Umarov surrounded

message: http://www.chechenpress.co.uk/english/news/2007/10/31/05.shtml --HanzoHattori 15:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a tragedy. ForrestSjap 19:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we should, but it is a very tricky situation. We'll have to choose our words carefully or maybe even wait a little untill more information is available. Did you read these? ForrestSjap 21:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Umarov declared "Emirate", abandoned presidency

message: Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and Islamic Emirate of Waziristan have their articles. --HanzoHattori (talk) 13:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an article about the Caucasian Emirate should be created.ForrestSjap (talk) 16:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Caucasian Emirate article?

message: And added the thing he is charged only with the publications on the Internet and not even formally wanted at all. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaned up

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thread_title: Bot report : Found duplicate references !

message: Or maybe rather a Salafi now? --82.160.239.145 (talk) 23:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still a Sufi? 

message: Holbrooke to lighten terror list of Taliban. -Shootbamboo (talk) 21:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: I tried to add romanisations of Umarov's name, but I stuffed up the article, and now I can't change it back due to the link to the Kavkaz Centre. Can someone please fix this? FokkerTISM 05:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I stuffed up the article 

message: This article have many trust and neutrality problems. His nationality is set as Chechen. Which are not and never have been a nation. This should be Russian. Hockhult, 27/2 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 16:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: COUNTRY. Not nation. The nation is the Chechen people.  Aka ethnicity. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

text: You are simply stating an opinion, and a Russian nationalist opinion at that, and have offered no good reason to change the article. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, apart from the fact most Russians wouldn't even consider Umarov to be Russian. Which reliable sources confirm he is Russian? Moreover, do reliable sources even refer to him as Russian on a regular basis? Putting the nationality of the current Chechen separatist leader as "Russian" can't be seen in any sort of positive light. 2 lines of K303 09:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see it as an opinion that he is not a citizen of a made up state. Since Chechnya has no legal status and is not recognised as a nation, it can not have citizens. I think you need to learn the difference between Nationality and Ethnicity. Hockhult  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.72.104.80 (talk) 04:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hockhult, Umarov spent his life fighting against Russia. It would be very strange and innacurate to say that he is Russian.Cosainsé (talk) 21:03, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

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message: Especially since he was not only killed repeatedly but also had things like http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/08/04/doku-umarov-un-resigns-i-was-kidding/ going on on the internet (and specifically kavkazcenter and youtube). --Niemti (talk) 08:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you should comment here. Yes, even Medvedev denied that he is dead. This is "a possibly living person".My very best wishes (talk) 13:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Hmmm... Perhaps you are right. It tells: Umarov has been at the center of one of the recent disputes between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow accused Ukrainian right-wing nationalist leader Dmytro Yarosh of calling on Umarov to attack Russia. Yarosh denies it. Russia has opened a criminal proceeding against him, though he is in Kiev. Even if he is actually dead, he is still politically alive.My very best wishes (talk) 17:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

text: "They only do that when a terrorist is 100% confirmed dead."  And how exactly do you know that?  His absence from that list is only proof that he is no longer on the wanted list,  not that he is dead.  --P123ct1 (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

text: What is a "Real confirmation" of death anyway? The Caucasus Emirate say he is dead, as do the FSB and Kadyrov. Media sources like the BBC have reported his death, and Kavkaz Center even has video footage of his funeral (Can't be linked as the site is blacklisted by Wikipedia) Gazkthul (talk) 05:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I still don't think Wikipedia should be like 'yep, totally dead' without a real confirmation 

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