Talk:Arkansas River

message: True or false: This river's name is more commonly pronounced as "R Kansas" than as "Arkansas". 66.32.145.196 01:04, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: American Heritage Dictionary lists both pronunciations for "Arkansas River," but lists the "Arkansaw" pronunciation first, which means that they believe it is the more frequent pronunciation. Dpbsmith 01:48, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: However, there is one Internet site that says that "R Kansas" is the proper pronunciation of the river. 66.245.11.49 23:46, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

text: According the George R. Stewart, in his classic book on placenames Names on the Land, the river got its name not from the "French name of the Quapaw" so much as the Algonqiuan and Illiniwek guides who gave the French the name "Arkansea" for a village and the tribe located near the mouth of the Arkansas River.  The French soon spelled it "Arkansa", then pluralized it as "Arkansas" (as they did with Illinois and Kansas).  As for pronunciation, Stewart describes that at length.  For a long time, at least through the creation of "Arkansaw Territory" (1819), the French-style pronunciation (approximately), with the final -s silent, was the norm.  In the middle 1800s the spelling was in flux between Arkansaw and Arkansas, with Arkansas eventually winning out.  Soon, among those who could read (a minority in Arkansas at the time), there developed the feeling that pronunciation should follow the spelling, and some people began to call the state "ar-KAN-sas".  There was even a time, in the 1840s, when the two senators from the state differed and were introduced in Congress as "the senator from Arkansaw and the senator from Ar-KAN-sas.  Confusion over which way to pronounce it spread, especially given things like the obvious pronunciation of the adjective "Arkansan".  Finally the state legislature officially ruled the pronunciation to be Arkansaw-- the only state with an official pronunciation.  However, just as the people of the state of Arkansas were unyielding in their pronunciation of both the state and the river, so too were the people of Kansas, through which the river flows for a great length.  Given the half-century or more of uncertainty and multiple pronunciations of even the state of Arkansas, not formally resolved until the 1880s (and note the official pronunciation is of the state, not the river), I would argue that there is no official or proper pronunciation of the Arkansas River-- although my understanding is that few people outside Kansas pronounce it AR-kansas.  Nonetheless, I think it is going too far to say there is a "proper" pronunciation.   ...I can give some more of the nitty-gritty detatils of the pronunciation story from Stewart's book if anyone cares to hear.  He devotes a whole chapter to it (called "Change the name of Arkansas--Never!"). Pfly 09:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I know it's pron. "R-Kansas by at least one Wichita radio station, and here in N.C. Kansas (Concordia) my 12th grade Government teacher referred to it as that.  I may be un-patriotic, but I consider it "Arkansaw".  I've never said it aloud, though... Smarkflea (talk) 04:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Agreed with Bradrh above; no one I've talked to from Colorado has ever heard the R-Kansas pronunciation, and Kansas I've talked to indicate that it's rare and limited to the elderly. I've put a Dubious-Discuss tag on this supposed pronunciation and found a source that indicates, second-hand, that Coloradans don't use the R-Kansas pronunciation: In 2002, the Tampa Bay Times, referring to a Denver Post article that I couldn't find, says Coloradans pronounce the river like the state. Riverhugger (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The older replies here seem like a lot of OR. Since your tagging two months ago, no one has disagreed. So I'm boldly taking it out. If someone disagrees, they can speak up and/or revert. Dgndenver (talk) 13:37, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Arkansas River (True or False) 

message: This is the true prevailing practice:
* Arkansaw in the state of Arkansas.
* R Kansas in the state of Kansas, indeed a play on words: "Our Kansas".
* In Colorado and Oklahoma, either one is fine -- no one cares.
Paul 08:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only in or about Kansas is it pronounced "Kansas."  Nowhere in Oklahoma have I ever heard it referred to as anything other than "Arkansas" (pronounced like the state).  Oklahoma City and Tulsa media pronounce it like the state. Nsu2112 (talk) 09:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern 21st Century Pronunciations 

message: In much of Western Kansas the Arkansas River is actually now a dry riverbed, due to large scale irrigation.  I know that the river currently is dry (year round) at least from west of Lakin, Kansas east past Dodge City, but I suspect that it is dry for some distance past that both to the east and west, but to what distance I am unsure.  If anyone knows anything in greater detail about this it might be useful to include in the article. - user nonbonumest
I am also curious about this.  Sometimes it seems to be filled to the banks but has also been dry for years on end throughout Kansas.  Can anyone explain why this is?  --Junky 20:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having lived in Dodge City and Lamar for over 30 years with family in the area. I can speak to the flow in the Dodge City area. The river seems to re-emerge between Fort Dodge and Ford. As for the amount of water above ground in Dodge City, this has been directly proportional to the amount being released by the dam just northwest of Lamar, Colorado. The only time I have witnessed in my lifetime a significant amount of water in Dodge City is when the flood gates have been opened at that dam. 2600:8803:7582:C00:80F8:4C9C:DB54:EC0 (talk) 01:19, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontinuity of the Watercourse 

message: There are no references. slambo 10:36, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delisted GA 

message: Blue is the Kansas River not the Arkansas river basin which this discussion refers to. Green is the Arkansas river basin.
Also see:  MentroshipART of Peace (Eco-Futures Forum)
WikkaWiki's logo from the project's website.RJBurkhart 01:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re*Cycling [[Arkansas River]] and [[Kaw River]]'s [[Earth Science]] 

message: * Wikipedia: Port of Catoosa includes these articles:
Claremore, Oklahoma
Green Country (Oklahoma)
Tulsa, Oklahoma
RJBurkhart 00:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port of Catoosa (aka) TulsaPort 

message: * Lower Arkansas Basin: The Arkansas River flows generally southeast across the basin. ... 
Debra Baker - KWO Basin Planner - 1-888-526-9283 or 785-296-3185 ...
** UARC Agency Cooperation:
The Upper Arkansas River Corridor Study is a Kansas Water Plan project ... 
Susan Stover coordinates the project work at the KWO. ...
**Research Summary:
Continue survey of fishes in the Arkansas River of SW Kansas. ...  
KDWP = Kansas Department of Wildlife & Parks KWO = Kansas Water Office ...
*  USGS -Monthly Water History: 
The Kansas Water Office (KWO) administrates the provisions of the Kansas Weather ... 
promoting the orderly development of the water in the Arkansas River ...
**KELP Class 6:2005 River Orienteering / Community Stewardship (RO/CS)
**(PDF) KELP Module 3:
Kansas Environmental Leadership Program Ch. 2 ... (KWO, FS 37, 2002).
The Upper Arkansas River Basin. Streams in this basin are the Arkansas River ...
* Kansas Center for Sustainable Agriculture and Alternative Crops:
This site has publications and other information about alternative farming ...
RJBurkhart 18:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adapt Kansas Water Office (KWO) KELP Resources 

message: *KGS Open File Report 2003-55C:
Where possible, the streamflow trends were aggregated into KWO basin averages and ... On the map, click on a gaging station in a basin to open a new browser ...
* KGS Open File Report 2003-55E:
This summary is based on all the map data being set in a Universal Transverse Mercator ... Total Riparian Land Use Bank Miles by KWO Planning Basin. Basin ...
*Water Resources:
Data maps & linksArkansas River data - John Martin/Ark River operations. Missouri River data and links. Republican River data. Topographic maps are available on the internet ...
*Equus Beds Information Resource:
About Equus BedsDRAINAGE BASIN--Hydrologic unit consisting of a part of the surface of the ... TOPOGRAPHIC MAP--A map that shows natural human-made features of an area ...
* Equus Beds--KGS Open File Report 2000-30:
and the Kansas Water Office (KWO), with funding ... Health and Environment, and the Lower Arkansas Basin Advisory Committee ... western GMD2 south of the Arkansas River ... 
*ASWM Abstract:
Through the use of the available GIS themes (wetlands, hydro, topo, and photo) ... 
The Kansas Water Office (KWO) is working with the Kansas Alliance for ...
RJBurkhart 03:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  i4CQuest-Keywords :: Arkansas Basin KWO Map Topo  

message: **Also, National Audubon Society, among various external links, was added to the "see also" list, but the National Audobon Society article makes no mention of the Arkansas River; and this article makes no mention (apart from the "see also" list to which it was added) of the National Audobon Society; so I don't know what one has to do with the other. -- Malepheasant 10:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Our Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) seeks to protect waterfowl habitats & the National Audubon Society helps participants promote flyway corridor birding maps ... 
*Prairie Passage in Kansas ( Adopt-a-Habitat )
**Citizen science via Great Backyard Bird Count
***National Audubon Society RJBurkhart 22:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prairie Passage in Kansas Flyways 

message: The article for the Rio Grande makes the same claim to fame, to be the fourth longest river in the US. So which is it?  Rio Grande is longer, right? Steve G 07:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That article now refers to it as the third. CopaceticThought (talk) 09:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The fourth longest in the US? 

message: The Angling section was recently deleted with the following edit summary: Removed section: only source was self-published, and Wikipedia is not a tourist guide.  The section has been re-written to include significant additional sources to include the "self-published" source whose author is extensively referenced and quoted in other sources.  The comment about the Tourist Guide may be correct but not relevant to the subject of the section.  Angling on the Arkansas is a significant and historical recreational use of the river well supported by verifiable sources. The fact that "tourists" may fly fish the river is irrelevant.  Indeed if all the "activity" related content for geographic and destination related articles (ie. Yellowstone, Disneyland, etc.) were removed because "tourists" participated in those activities, WP would be a sad place.--Mike Cline (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added rewritten ''Angling'' Section 

message: Quality C: because it only has citations in the lead and in one other paragraph.--ClemRutter (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Assessment 

message: The article states that the Arkansas River is navigable to Muskogee, Oklahoma via the McClellan-Kerr system, however, the McClellan-Kerr article states that the river is navigable until the Tulsa area (actually Catoosa, a suburb or Tulsa) through the McClellan-Kerr system and the navigation head is at the Catoosa port.  I'm fairly sure that the article is in error, but, if the navigation through Catoosa is conditional on hydrological conditions, this needs to be clarified.  From what I can gather, however, the Catoosa port is always navigable (extreme conditions aside).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.147.197 (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is a really old comment, but just to clarify in case someone else stumbles upon it: the Arkansas is only navigable to Muskogee. The McClellan-Kerr System diverges along the Verdigris from that point to the Port of Catoosa. JFMorse (talk) 19:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation Head/Teminus of the Arkansas River 

message: Calling 445 miles of the Arkansas River "little more than a series of reservoirs" is extreme (and uncited). Water freely and continuously flows unimpeded, from one supposed "reservoir" to the next. The locks complement the navigation channels kept dredged along the course of the riverbed. In this photo of McClellan-Kerr Lock 18, the lock only spans one-fourth of the width of the river, and spans a tiny proportion of the twenty miles of the length of the river which lies between this and the next dam. Catsmoke (talk) 03:20, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "little more than a series of reservoirs" 

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thread_title:  Arkansas River Valley