Talk:Culture of Japan/Archive 1

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thread_title: Wikiproject Traditional Medicine

message: I am very interested in this article's mention of the Japanese concept of Nemawashi; I am interested in more information regarding Japanese cultural psychology and social mores. For example, since Japanese culture (and this is a guess on my part, please correct me if I am wrong) generally emphasizes group action rather than individual action, will a Japanese man or woman typically feel stress when entering a situation requiring a great deal of personal initiative or decision-making? Has there been any research done into the relative strengths and weaknesses of the Nemawashi concept? Thank you very much for your time. -- Brasswatchman August 13, 2005. 7:55 PM EST.
::Japanese culture is in reality more individualistic and liberal than most other human cultures. All those "Japanese collectivism" and "interdependence" stereotypes are just nonsense with no evidence to back them up.(Takano & Osaka, 1999; 2008; 2018) Within cultural psychology, many if not most studies from the "East-West comparison" paradigm are based on Markus & Kitayama's theory of "independent versus interdependent self-construals". That theory is wrong. It was known for decades that there were major problems with the construct of "independent versus interdependent self-construals" at the individual level of analysis (Matsumoto, 1999), but there was no sufficient data to test the construct validity (or lack of it) at the level of societies. After the major international study published in 2016 on this topic (Vignoles, 2016), it is beyond a reasonable doubt that there is no such thing as an independent versus interdependent self-construal axis neither at the individual level nor at the level of societies. Of course, it is likely that Markus & Kitayama and some of their dedicated fans will go on and deny or downplay all evidence because they have no other choice because they based most of their career on the supposed truth of the "independence versus interdependence" hypothesis. Nevertheless, that hypothesis has been effectively debunked. Since most "East-West" comparison studies assume the coherence of the "independence versus interdependence" continuum, there are major problems ahead for cultural psychology. 
::For those who seek to study a major world culture that is collectivistic or very different from those of Europe or America, please look at a graph with cultural distance scores and choose some culture that is very different from Europe and America. The most different cultures from the United States are in the Middle East and North Africa region (Muthukrishna et al., 2018). Japan is relatively similar to European cultures and to a certain degree (although not as much as with Europe) with the culture of the United States.
::References:
::Matsumoto, D. (1999). Culture and self: An empirical assessment of Markus and Kitayama’s theory of independent and interdependent self‐construals. Asian Journal of Social Psychology, 2(3), 289-310.
::Muthukrishna, M., Bell, A. V., Henrich, J., Curtin, C. M., Gedranovich, A., McInerney, J., & Thue, B. (2018). Beyond WEIRD psychology: measuring and mapping scales of cultural and psychological distance. Available at SSRN 3259613.
::Takano, Y., & Osaka, E. (1999). An unsupported common view: Comparing Japan and the US on individualism/collectivism. Asian Journal of Social Psychology, 2(3), 311-341.
::Takano, Y., & Sogon, S. (2008). Are Japanese more collectivistic than Americans? Examining conformity in in-groups and the reference-group effect. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology, 39(3), 237-250.
::Takano, Y., & Osaka, E. (2018). Comparing Japan and the United States on individualism/collectivism: A follow‐up review. Asian Journal of Social Psychology, 21(4), 301-316.
::Vignoles, V. L., Owe, E., Becker, M., Smith, P. B., Easterbrook, M. J., Brown, R., ... & Lay, S. (2016). Beyond the ‘east–west’dichotomy: Global variation in cultural models of selfhood. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General, 145(8), 966.
::TheCultureDemystifier (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Request More Information on Cultural Psychology/Nemawashi Concept

message: Someone put the merge suggestion up but didn't explain why, so I'm starting the discussion. Please share your thoughts. --nihon 01:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it needs to be merged, tarento is a more obvious place to merge it to. --DannyWilde 04:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that tarento is a more appropriate place for it. --nihon 06:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The little summary that this article has is longer that the main article for the subject.  That makes very little sense.  The "Main Article" is only one sentence long.  That seems like a valid reason to merge. 69.241.173.179 03:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Geinokai?

message: This article is a mess of turgidly written trivia. I suggest nominating it for collaboration to try to produce something better. --DannyWilde 08:35, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mess

message: I removed this, no idea what it is, Google produces a mere 500 results. who put this in? - Zero1328 13:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: For your information, Japanese Wikipedia has an entry :ja:五月病 (Gogatsubyō, lit. 'May sick') and has more than 100,000 google hits. --Kusunose 15:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You hacked the page? You clicked the edit button, idiot.--THobern 14:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  May Sick..? 

message: This would be a welcome section. Chris 01:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ethics in Japan

message: A rather important distinction and illumination should be made regarding Japan's export culture versus their insider culture, aka tatemae (建前) versus honne (本音) respectively.  71.162.255.58 07:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Export vs. Insider cultures 

message: There is a picture of Dragon Ball in this article, but it is not seen in the text of the article itself. Images should not be information on their own, but should rather illustrate the subject matter. Someone should probably write about Dragon Ball in the text if it is notable enough; otherwise, the picture doesn't really deserve to be up either. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 16:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragon Ball picture 

message: Am I incorrect in feeling this is a very incomplete article? I see no sections on...
* Traditional art forms,
* Humour (beyond a cursory mention),
* Martial Arts, and
* Religion (!!!!!)
just to name a few giant areas. There's not much at all about cultural history either. From this article it more or less seems like Japan has no culture beyond its language and pop culture.
Take a look at Russian culture for a random example of the kind of stuff I would think is standard in a culture article. I am by far not an expert on Japanese culture and really don't want to add too much, as I know I will make a lot of errors and have few sources to call on. However, I will see about sketching some very rough sections on these vital and hideously underrepresented sections of the Culture of Japan. I am not even sure how this article can warrant a B-class rating in its present state... the opening paragraph was a quote from a 61-year-old reactionary secondary ethnology, presented as though it was the authority on the subject of Japanese cultural value structures!!! 
PS: why is there a section on "kawaii" and not a section on "religion"?! Yargh. I honestly don't see why there is a special section on "cute". It is stylish here, but not a fundamental part of the culture. Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 15:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Evolution of Japense Fashion" was also put forward by user:24.19.45.254 :-) Mr. Anonymous, it's generally kosher to add more info as a comment rather than edit another member's post. Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 04:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  very incomplete 

message: Why is this section here? The entire thing is characteristed with "seems to be" and cultural comparisons, and cuteness is hardly a central aspect of Japanese culture. There is a page about it already, all it needs is a "see also". Having a big paragraph about the comparitive Western otaku-central importance of Kawaii puts a lot of systemic bias into the article, and way too much weight on something that is not all that important to Japan. Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 03:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It really doesn't deserve that much focus in this page. A "see also" link, at most. — Gwalla | Talk 00:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kawaii

message: I am wondering if I can interest anyone who works with this page with helping to expand the summary of Japanese culture at Japanese people. It is currently so small that some of the sections suggested by the ethnic groups WikiProject are still hidden in comment tags. Any help that you can give would be appreciated. Dekimasu 21:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Japanese people]]

message: How about this correction?
*Japanese literature
*Japanese pottery
**Waka
**Haiku
*Japanese Art
**Emakimono
**Lacquer
**Nihonga
**Ukiyo-e
*Japanese architecture
**Japanese castle
**Japanese garden
**Japanese style room
**Housing in Japan
**Toilets in Japan
*Japanese cuisine
**Sake
*Japanese tea ceremony
*Japanese cinema
**Jidaigeki
**Yakuza film
**Tokusatsu (Godzilla series)
*Japanese clothing
**Japanese school uniform
**Hakama
**Kimono
**Yukata
*Japanese religion
**Shinto
**Japanese Buddhism
**Japanese demons (Yōkai)
**Japanese mythology
**Japanese folklore
**Festivals
*Japanese values
**Bushidō
**Nihonjinron
**yamato damashii
**Wabi-sabi
**Zen
*Japanese Music
**Japanese musical instruments
***Shamisen
***Taiko
***Koto
**J-pop (Japanese popular music) 
**Enka
**Karaoke
*Japanese Customs
**Arranged marriages in Japan
**Japanese calendar
***Japanese New Year
***Holidays of Japan
*Japanese Theatre
**Kabuki
**Noh
**Bunraku
**Kyogen
*Japanese entertainment (Engei)
**Manzai
**Rakugo
**Owarai
**Kamishibai
*Japanese toy
**Tamiya
**Zoids
*Japanese handicrafts
**Katana
**Origami
**Paper plane
**Washi
*Japanese miniaturization culture
**Netsuke
**Bonsai
*Japanese pens and stationery
*Japanese pop culture
**Anime
**Manga
**Video games, sometimes adapted from anime
**Japanese idol
*Japanese subculture
**Mecha
**Bishōjo
**Japanese Pornography
**Otaku
**Homosexuality in Japan(Shodo)
**Cosplay
**Japanese fashion
***Gothic Lolita
***Furisode
***Loose socks
*Japanese dance
**Japanese traditional dance (Buyo) 
**Para Para
*Japanese Martial Arts
**Karate
**Kendo
**Aikido
**Sumo
**Judo
**Kyudo
*Communications
**Cell phone culture
*Tourism in Japan
**Mount Fuji
**Onsen (hot spring)
**Rail transport in Japan
**Transport in Japan
**Shinkansen
**World Heritage Sites in Japan
*Japanese names
Some of those seem rather specific for such a general overview. I mean, are Zoids really so important to Japanese culture that they should be a top-level link? Also, why are anime and manga not under entertainment? How is mecha a subculture? Also, according to the Guide to Layout links already present in the article should ideally not be repeated in the see also section. And if we link an overview (like Japanese cinema), we don't need to link more specific articles that it already covers (like Takusatsu)—people who want more detail can simply follow links further. — Gwalla | Talk 20:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: **NOTE: Looks like vandalism throughout, fixed paragraphs near the very bottom, but soon after ran out of time (and energy, frankly).  Once I reached an portion of the article where I couldn't determine it's correct meaning, I gave up. Thesoftbulletin82 (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dealt with.  (Also, moved Ted's message to bottom.) --barneca (talk) 19:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Does anyone know what it is called?  Where a naked woman lies on a table and have food cover her body for people to eat off with chopsticks?  This is an authentic ritual because I have seen pictures of it and I have heard of it from Xposed, a television program in USA that exposes all kinds of wierd rituals around the world.  I just dont remember what it is called. 16:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "eat food off a naked woman" ritual 

message: In footnotes section is some writing about japanese footwear. Irrelevant??
--Hannu 15:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. what was that? A bad joke? Oda Mari (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Vagabond21.jpg

message: At the borrom of the page under "contemporary" it has a link to toilets in Japan. Is that supposed to be there?Emma Hordika (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  unusual link 

message: There is a book called "Japanese Society" by Nakane Chie (with an article to it). When I search for "Japanese Society" it redirects me to "Culture of Japan" - this should change to disamb. Kampy (talk) 19:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if the book has an article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Society

message: There is a book called "Japanese Society" by Nakane Chie (with an article to it). When I search for "Japanese Society" it redirects me to "Culture of Japan" - this should change to disamb. Kampy (talk) 19:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if the book has an article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirect 

message: I am wondering if or where on wiki some of the more unique differences between Japanese society and other societies would live? For example, there are small incidents, possibly not noteworthy, such as making a donation to the earthquake victims fund by leaving a plastic bag full of cash in a public toilet. This is unusual from the perspective of other cultures. Or, on a broader scale, after the quake, there was no looting reported to police as far as I know, and workers at the office often never seem to go home. These sort of interesting aspects of Japanese culture might be interesting to document. What do you think ? Penyulap talk 05:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: New section(s)

message: A new WP:Fork article has been created at Korean influence on Japanese Culture and should be merged here. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh please, that article is, after two months, still very one-sided - it is written in a fashion that makes it sound as if in the wee centuries only Japan and Paekche existed on this planet, and Paekche was the superior that invented everything, from the wheel to the supercomputer. Why is it, for instance, that the Horyu-ji article claims architectural influences from across Asia, and the Korean influence article makes it sound as if it was solely Paekche's project? There were Korean influences, of course, but they were not exclusive - China, at the very least, was a great influence as well, both directly and through Korea. The article should reflect the fact that Korea, in a similar fashion, learned a lot from China, and not make it sound as if Korea was the sole inventor of architecture, pottery, Buddhism and so on. If a reasonable stance like that cannot be achieved, I see no reason for the article to stay - let's be frank, right now, with the tone it takes, it's nothing more than Korean nationalist soap-boxing. And I'm not too optimistic, either. TomorrowTime (talk) 06:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So cut it down. If it ends up a stub, so be it. — Gwalla | Talk 19:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Korean

message: I am concerned about this bit in the pop. culture section:
Although Japan is often thought of as a hard-working society with little time for pleasure, the Japanese seek entertainment wherever they can. It is common to see Japanese commuters riding the train to work, enjoying their favorite manga, or listening through earphones to the latest in popular music on portable music players.
Doesn't this happen everywhere? People read newspapers/magazines/listen to music on the train everywhere. Its nothing exclusive to Japan is it? --124.183.248.162 (talk) 08:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: I propose to delete a statement "It is regarded as "quite difficult for native English speakers" to learn as adults." in Japanese language section. The reasons are as follows;
*The original source of this statement is no longer available on the web. Language Learning Difficulty for English Speakers in WikiBook refers to the archive of original site:
:http://web.archive.org/web/20071014005901/http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/november/learningExpectations.html
*Even in the Main article: Japanese language, there is no description related to this statement except for External links(Others).
*While this section should be a summary or introduction of the main article, this statement is far less important for this purpose.
*It is undesirable to make a rather negative expression to readers who are interested in Japanese Culture.
I would appreciate your opinion on this issue.
Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you remove it? Oda Mari (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Kintetsubuffalo reverted the same modification by 81.132.255.55 at 16:32, 28 June 2009, I thought some consensus is needed. Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Anyway, I will wait a few days. After that, I will delete it. Thanks for your advice. Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support that, it is one of the easier ones to learn. Penyulap talk 04:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for deletion of a statement regarding "difficult language" 

message: IP vandalism. I reverted all of it, I think. Could someone take a look-see? TreacherousWays (talk) 21:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism redux

message: "...listening through earphones to the latest in popular music on portable music players." Really? In America, we call them iPods. (Even though they have only a 76% market share.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jldrei (talk • contribs) 03:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning: out of date. 

message: I came to this page hoping to read about modern Japanese customs, ideologies, ways of thinking, religions, expressions/idioms, common jobs, et cetera--basically a short overview of typical day-to-day life in Japan. However, it seems like this page is mostly focused on two extremes: the historical culture of Japan, and the pop culture of Japan. I think it might leave readers more confused than before they read the page, since there isn't much information on the typical modern culture in Japan. The lack of citations throughout the article is also concerning.
I'm very new to Wikipedia, so I'm not comfortable taking on a task of this magnitude by myself yet. Are there any other Wikipedians interested in this page who would be willing to work with me on an overhaul? My first impression of what needs to be done would be: trim the pop culture section; add sections on cultural topics such as "Humor," "Social class and work," "Family structure," "National holidays," "Religion," "Demographics," and other pieces of cultural information important to day-to-day life in Japan; expand the arts sections to include information of both modern and historical art forms; expand important sections such as "Cuisine," "Literature," and "Music" (which currently have minimal coverage); add information on traditions and ceremonies; add information on etiquette (also a unique and important part of Japanese culture); maybe add some information on the tourism industry; and, most importantly, ADD CITATIONS. Honestly, this is shockingly under-cited...
A culture page on Wikipedia that I was quite impressed with was Culture of the United States, which looks like it does a good job of balancing both historical and modern culture and gives a good overview of typical American life. We could use this article as a framework for revisions to this article.
Any takers? This would be a big project, but I think it could get done if we had enough dedicated Wikipedians working on it. Valentine Westing (I'm a newbie, please don't hurt me!) (talk) 15:29, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , I'm not the most experienced Wikipedian either, but I'm happy to put my hand up to help out with this. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 15:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More general view of "Culture"? 

message: I think that "Japanese culture" would be a more fitting title, since people of Japanese descent who do not live in Japan still practice many of the things mentioned in this article such as cuisine, calligraphy, etc.
Also, the painting section is a little short - brush techniques, for example, could be elaborated upon.  In addition - and this may seem like a small thing but wording is important - "heyday" in the Ukiyo-e section doesn't seem to fit with the tone of a Wikipedia article; maybe another word could be used.
Mikami, Takahiko (1985).  Japanese brush painting: the art of Sumi painting.  Newton Abbot: David & Charles.
Bowie, Henry P (1952).  On the laws of Japanese painting: an introduction to the study of the art of Japan.  Dover Publications, New York.
Varley, H. Paul (1984).  Japanese Culture.  University of Hawaii Press.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonchild07 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for improvements 

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message: This article was recently edited to describe strong "Chinese and Iranian" cultural influence on Japan, but as far as I know, there are relatively few historical links between Japanese and Iranian culture. Is the lead section of this article still accurate? Jarble (talk) 03:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Strong Chinese and Iranian" cultural influence in Japan 

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message: I removed this tag: *{* vague| 66.7 plus 69.0 is greater than 100|date=June 2021 *}*. It is standard that the total "religiosity" of Japan, measured by summing the percentages professing [what? hardly "adherence"] to various religions, comes to more than 100%. I can give another book reference if necessary. Overwhelmingly the approach to religion in Japan is very different from that in really "religious" countries, like the USA. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inference of "vagueness" from apparent arithmetic error 

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