Talk:Herbert Newton Casson

message: Edits by user:Oenemaus appeqar to be a close paraphrase of material from http://books.google.ca/books?id=sOyPumbw0poC&pg=PA61 with the structure and wording of sentences being very similar.  An earlier version of the article exists without this material.  However, I did not revert as I'd like another opinion whether this is close enough to constitute a copyright violation.
===Examples===
From Wikipedia article                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	From book
The 1877-1880 years were spent in Manitoba whose population was mostly nomadic Plains Indians and Metis.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	The years 1877-1880 were spent in the frontier province of Manitoba, whose population was still mostly nomadic Plains Indians and Metis
Years later Casson vividly recalled the sight of armed Metis horsemen riding into the trading post where his father's church was located.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    	years later, Casson recalled vividly the sight of armed Metis horsemen riding into the trading post where his father's church was located
There he visited the immigrant slums, overnight becoming a socialist and within months was one of the USA's leading 'Red' agitators, leading mass demonstrations, drawing audiences of thousands to his lectures and rallies and establishing links with other leaders, Keir Hardie, American trade union boss Samuel Gompers and Walter Vrooman, later co-founder of Ruskin College, Oxford.	In Boston in 1893 he visited the immigrant slums of the south side of the city ans was shocked by the terrible poverty he found there.  He became, almost overnight, a socialist; within a few months he was one of the USA's leading 'Red' agitators, leading mass demonstrations in Boston, drawing thousands to his lectures and rallies and establishing links with socialist leaders elsewhere.  Among the friends he made in this period — names he still mentions with affection forty years on — were the British socialist leader Kier Hardie, the American trade union boss Samuel Gompers, and Walter Vrooman, later co-founder of Ruskin College, Oxford.
He persuaded notoriously taciturn President Grover Cleveland to grant an interview.  The men became friendly and Casson remained a confidante for many years.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	An early break came when he persuaded the notoriously taciturn President Grover Cleveland to grant him an interview.  The two men became friendly, and Casson remained a confidante of Cleveland for many years.
-- Whpq (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no doubt here. The examples you provide clearly show copyright infringement. Not merely the exact phrasing of simple facts, but the use of exact descriptive commentary like "persuaded notoriously taciturn" is blatant plagiarism. I reverted the text to the version prior to copyvio additions. Thanks for checking into this.  — CactusWriter | needles 13:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copyvio

message: From Wikipedia article                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	From book
The 1877-1880 years were spent in Manitoba whose population was mostly nomadic Plains Indians and Metis.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	The years 1877-1880 were spent in the frontier province of Manitoba, whose population was still mostly nomadic Plains Indians and Metis
Years later Casson vividly recalled the sight of armed Metis horsemen riding into the trading post where his father's church was located.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    	years later, Casson recalled vividly the sight of armed Metis horsemen riding into the trading post where his father's church was located
There he visited the immigrant slums, overnight becoming a socialist and within months was one of the USA's leading 'Red' agitators, leading mass demonstrations, drawing audiences of thousands to his lectures and rallies and establishing links with other leaders, Keir Hardie, American trade union boss Samuel Gompers and Walter Vrooman, later co-founder of Ruskin College, Oxford.	In Boston in 1893 he visited the immigrant slums of the south side of the city ans was shocked by the terrible poverty he found there.  He became, almost overnight, a socialist; within a few months he was one of the USA's leading 'Red' agitators, leading mass demonstrations in Boston, drawing thousands to his lectures and rallies and establishing links with socialist leaders elsewhere.  Among the friends he made in this period — names he still mentions with affection forty years on — were the British socialist leader Kier Hardie, the American trade union boss Samuel Gompers, and Walter Vrooman, later co-founder of Ruskin College, Oxford.
He persuaded notoriously taciturn President Grover Cleveland to grant an interview.  The men became friendly and Casson remained a confidante for many years.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	An early break came when he persuaded the notoriously taciturn President Grover Cleveland to grant him an interview.  The two men became friendly, and Casson remained a confidante of Cleveland for many years.
-- Whpq (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no doubt here. The examples you provide clearly show copyright infringement. Not merely the exact phrasing of simple facts, but the use of exact descriptive commentary like "persuaded notoriously taciturn" is blatant plagiarism. I reverted the text to the version prior to copyvio additions. Thanks for checking into this.  — CactusWriter | needles 13:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples