Talk:Megadeth/Archive 2

message: This quote bothers me:
"Mustaine is also known for his original "snarling" vocal style, as well as his recurring lyrical themes, often involving politics, war, addiction, and more recently, personal relationships."
That's completely untrue - perhaps there are more songs about relationships on their more recent albums, but there have been some since KIMB, i.e. Last Rites/Loved to Deth, Tornado of Souls, A Tout Le Monde (relationship with those he loves), Wake Up Dead, In My Darkest Hour, etc.
I will be deleting "and more recently" and if anyone has any objections, we can discuss them here.
Dan 05:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics About Relationships

message: perhaps having the sound clips in a more-widespread extention (eg. .wmp, .mp3, etc) would be better, as many people do not know how/do not have the equipment to open .ogg files.
* .ogg is the only format allowed at Wikipedia 208.48.150.6 08:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sound clips

message: A while ago, I added in a table that gave a more visual representation of the members of the band and how long each was in.  The new table seems to get rid of that.  I modeled the original table around the one used in the Metallica table, and I think this looks better and lets the user visually get the point across. Mobus 19:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Band Member Table

message: This phrase was said by Mustaine in Argentina... the article implies it was said in Puerto Rico, the way I see it... anyone care to rephrase that paragraph? Cheers - ironcito 08:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "The answer is YES"

message: I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 18:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Under the SFSGSW Lineup section it says: "Marty Friedman, who had played in Cacophony with Jason Becker, was initially ruled out by Mustaine for having two-tone hair", and a citation is needed. Well, Dave confirms this in the liner notes to the remaster for Rust In Peace, saying that he hesitated to hire him because of his 2-colored hair on the cover of Dragon's Kiss, the CD that led Dave to discovering him. However, I wouldn't know how to put that in citation form, nor link it to the footnote so... If someone else could do this, that'd be great.
On a personal note, I just want to say that Marty is the best shredder there is (go to hell Yngwie), and everyone needs to hear Dragon's Kiss. Thunder March alone is worth the price.
I just have to agree here, in fact, buy all of Friedmans albums, they all rock Lovefist233 20:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marty Friedman citation

message: I know that the British use a plural verb when talking about bands (i.e. Megadeth have released ten albums) and that is ok, (being an American, I don't really agree, since it is an American band, and Wikipedia was made by two Americans...) but in this article, there are a bunch of inconsistencies with the subject verb agreement. At one point a sentence reads, "Megadeth have received..." Then there is "Megadeth has had 18 official members." I really prefer if the singular verb is used since there is only one band, but if there are people who really care, use the plural verb, but please change all of them. If no one cares, then I'll just change all of the verbs to singular. And if you have no idea what I'm talking about then tell me, or I'll just change it anyway. Excellent.Wi-king 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - one or the other.  I don't have the slightest idea which is correct or better, but I'm American, so... USA! USA! USA!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!! Skeletor2112 05:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It should be in the language that fits with the rest of the article. If the rest of the article is written in British then use "have" else use "has". 213.100.48.80 23:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm makin the edit, unless anyone wishes otherwiseWi-king 01:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that since the English language was invented by English people that Americans shouldn't comment on their spelling, either way I don't see why we can't have both styles in the article, does it really matter? Lovefist233 20:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Subject verb agreement

message: In my humble opinion, you should move the song samples to a specific section at the end, and reduce the size of the photographs to about the same size (150-200px) and then space them evenly throughout the article (FA reviewers hate things that look like a magazine). Good luck, and best wishes, for the FA review. --andreasegde 19:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, thanks for the tips - the pics have been resized, thanks to help from User:M3tal H3ad.  Regarding the placement of song samples, I was following the format of other music FA's, such as The KLF, Pink Floyd, and Rush (band), who all use song samples in the articles.  I think that as someone is reading, it is helpful to be able to click the song in question, wihtout losing your place by scrolling to the end of the article.  We could also add a list of all samples at the end, but it might be redundant... Skeletor2112 06:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article and FA

message: A lot of the edits made left sentences incomplete. Here are a few examples:
* As one of the most commercially successful heavy metal bands of all time, Megadeth has sold more than 20 million albums worldwide, including five consecutive platinum albums, with seven consecutive Grammy nominations for Best Metal Performance.
Was changed to:
*As one of the most commercially successful heavy metal bands of all time, with over 20 million albums sold worldwide, including five consecutive platinum albums, with seven consecutive Grammy nominations for Best Metal Performance.
And:
* Mustaine decided to handle lead vocal duties himself, while also serving as the band's primary lyricist, main songwriter, and rhythm guitarist.
Was changed to:
*Mustaine decided to handle lead vocal duties himself, main songwriter, and rhythm guitarist.
* Even with the resulting poor production, Megadeth's debut Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!, released in May 1985, was a well-received effort that blended elements of thrash, speed metal and punk rock.
Was changed to:
*Even resulting with poor production, Megadeth's debut Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!, released in May 1985, was a well-received effort that blended elements of thrash, speed metal and punk rock.
*Frustrated by the small independent label's financial insufficiencies, Megadeth signed to major label Capitol Records, who also bought the rights to the new album. 
Was changed to:
*Frustrated by small independent label's financial insufficiencies, Megadeth signed to major label Capitol Records, who also bought the rights to album.
*The song remains a fan favorite, and has been performed at nearly every Megadeth show since. 
Was changed to:
*The song has performed at nearly every Megadeth show since.
A lot of the edits seemed good, and I will go back and change stuff, but as this article is a featured article candidate, please be careful when changing the prose so drastically. Thanks, Skeletor2112 09:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Removing weasel words" revert

message: In the "Killing is My Business" section, the second sentence reads:
:However, after spending half of that budget on drugs and alcohol, the band was forced to fire their original producer and produce the album themselves.
I assume this means what it says, that the band spent the money on drugs and alcohol, and then fired their producer. If so, rock on, although the exact reason the producer was fired remains unstated. Could they no longer pay his fee?
However, it ocurred to me that the editor might have meant to say that the producer was fired because he spent the band's money. If so, rewording is in order. —Kevin 14:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the first is correct, they had to fire producer Karat Faye because they could no longer pay his salary (I assume the remaining $4,000 was spent on studio time, tape, ect). Skeletor2112 07:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you mean what you said?

message: They are rock according to iTunes on some of their CDs, we should add this...DrSatan 04:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please answer this, someone keeps on deleting what I added and won't even discuss it. It's really annoying.DrSatan 05:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Simple, iTunes is not a valid source. See WP:SOURCE, WP:CITE and WP:V for Wikipedia policies on how to properly reference content. 156.34.142.110 12:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay thanks, that's ALL I wanted to hear. :) DrSatan 02:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, but it's different when it's alarge company that sells music for money...But still, I agree. DrSatan 01:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: itunes isnt very specific about genre anyway, its only got 20 fixed genres in the store and they are all Generalizations of everything in there respective subgenres, so it shouldnt be used as a reference for genre eitherway Balthazar 21:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I think 'Metal' is the best description of Megadeth's music anyway, as that encompasses all the genres that they fall into while not being too vague Lovefist233 20:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock too

message: I have just created the Megadeth Wikiproject.  But I think that the scope is too narrow (just Megadeth) and I think that the Metal Genere Wikiproject is too large of a scope to handle everything.  I propose that we make a Wikiprject Big Four, or something to that effect to cover the Big Four American Metal bands, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax. I'm eger to hear any opinons.
:Just make a Thrash project, imo --DragonDance 19:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal Big Four Wikiproject

message: if you have any of the older dates please add them into Megadeth live. --AlexOvShaolin 04:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Megadeth live

message: "vastly improved sound quality"?  That is utterly subjective!  I could argue many reasons why the original is my preferred version, and I heard this "vastly improved" remix/remaster first!Sladek 20:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you kidding?  The remastered version is completely superior in terms of sound quality... how can you even compare the same CD in versions that are just about 20 years apart?  You may prefer the original, as that is what you are used to, but there's no denying the remastered version has better sound quality. Dan 05:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: ^That is only your opinion. In the remixed/remastered versions, the dynamics have been squashed, the volume is way too loud and there is tons of clipping. You probably prefer this version due to modern metal albums sharing this horrific mix/master method. Roland  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland19 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Killing is My Business Remix/Remaster "vastly improved"

message: Kerry King was never an official member, he just covered live dates. He should be removed. Jay316 12:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Band Members

message: I changed the 18 top forty singles mention in the Legacy section to 18 top forty Mainstream Rock singles. There's a big difference between the Mainstream Rock chart and the Hot 100.Clashwho 23:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Forty Hits?

message: "Big Four of Thrash" bands, along with Anthrax, Metallica and Slayer. Having been in Metallica, Dave Mustaine is the only man to have been in more than one of these groups.
Mustaine was obviously in tallica yes, but Kerry King was also in Megadeth for a short stint. I'm removing it.
::My mistakes, sorry :(. I guess it was cuz Mustaine's time in Metallica's beter remembered. Largely because he hit Hetfield (The Elfoid 20:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong

message: Someone removed the years attached to the eras of the band history, mind if I put em back? (The Elfoid 17:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: the reference to the track that appears on the duke nukem soundtrack, new world order, makes it out to be the same "demo" version that appears on the Youthanasia remastered album. however the version on the soundtrack appears to be a re-recorded and considerably better quality version than the one on the youthanasia remastered album. Balthazar 01:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duke Nukem: New World Order

message: Lineups (asterisk indicates a pic)
* 1983 
* 1983 
* 1983
* 1984-1986 (*)
* 1986
* 1986-1987 (same as 84-86 lineup) (*)
* 1987
* 1987-1989 (*)
* 1989-1998 (*)
* 1998-2000
* 2000-2002 (*)
* 2004
* 2004-2006 (*)
* 2006-present (*)
The 1998-2000 lineup is the only one that contributed to an album (other than 2004's session musicians) that hasn't got an image for it. Could we change that?  (The Elfoid 02:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lineup pics

message: I think that this should be made into a spoken article. Who agrees? --DragonDance 19:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for this. It may be a tad long, but who cares? PENSIMONSTAR 15:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoken article request

message: I fail to see why there are "citations needed" for the albums that have not been certified gold, platinum, or multi-platinum. There is no logic in their placement because since the information does not exist to either prove nor disprove these album's sales status... there is no resolution to this problem. For instance Soundscan shows actual sales from major retail chains not including music clubs, but RIAA certification is a result of albums shipped to stores. So an album doesn't have to actually sell 500,000 copies to achieve gold status, nor sell 1,000,000 copies to achieve platinum. Opposite we have the official RIAA website which often doesn't list every album or video that has achieved the required shipment mark (such as Slayer's Live Decade of Aggression, which is not listed on the website yet is a double album of each disc over 40 minutes that has sold very near to 500,000 copies). So I am removing the citations, and can see no reason to see them return.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.124.190 (talk) 09:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation confusion...

message: I think it's best to have the genres line break separated because:
*Initial lay out was using line breaks (jan 5, 2006) and their is no objective argument to change it.
*There is no consensus on this formatting topic so we should keep the 'old' format until consensus is reached.
*Other information in the infobox is line break separated
*Practically all metal bands have line break separated genres
*Most infoboxes have line break separated values
If there are convincing arguments to change the initial lay out please discuss it here. Until then, I'll think the original lay out should be preserved. Kameejl (Talk) 15:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox genre lay out

message: Why do people keep vandalising this page? It seems like it happens a lot. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, pal, watch your WP:CIVIL there unlees you wanna get blocked. I do of course realize the vandals are'nt gonna talk about it.  I'm not an idiot.  I figured another user might say something about the why.  It was basically a rhetorical question, though. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 17:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Please calm down. A Wikipedia talk page is not for insults and rants. You shouldn't be cussing at someone on here. He cannot block you but he can get somebody to for him due to you not being civil. Thank you,Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 22:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, it's been discussed.  He didn't mean any harm by it. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take note:... any/all comments/edits from any 142.162.X IP don't require a response and can be deleted as they are just trolling from blocked user Mark753. Any edits by this user to any article or talkpage on Wikipedia can be removed. 156.34.222.133 (talk) 22:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WTF

message: As I looked through the page for a couple of days ago, I found a text about a tribute to Megadeth in the film School of Rock, starring Jack Black, where his role figure's former band is called "MaggotDeth". However, could this also be a reference to the American nu metal band Slipknot, as well? I'm concerned that many of you metal fans know that the term for a hardcore fan of the band is nicknamed a "maggot", so... Could it be a reference, anyone? You know, like in a jokingly hating sentence like "death to the Maggots"? 84.217.18.180 (talk) 10:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I archived the page, it was getting too long. Go towards the top of the page there is a box that says "Archive box" to see past discussions click on the links. The most recent archive says "May 2006—December 2007" Thank you,Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 20:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Slipknot reference as well?

message: What happened to the other 3 or four albums megadeth did after countdown in the bio? did they forget. the article goes straight from countdown to the system has failed. it mentions all the albums in the discog though. i would put it in but i'm a terrible writer.--Katholmetal (talk) 02:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm... Megadeth#Youthanasia, Megadeth#Cryptic Writings, Megadeth#Risk, Megadeth#The World Needs a Hero. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 02:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: missing albums

message: I did this before twice and both times it was needlessly edited out. Bands, artists, wars, political histories....most historical things do this. I mean, it makes it easier to read the contents and that's about it. Why not change "Formation, early days" into "Formation, early days (1983-1984)" for instance? (The Elfoid (talk) 05:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it, I don't think it should be deleted. I have a featured article and it has years, I also have a soon FAC with them. (Godsmack, Alice in Chains) Thank you,Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 06:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eras - lets bracket the years after them

message: I recently read Metal: The Definitive Guide by respected author Gary Sharpe-Younge. He states that although the line-up presently listed as first came together quickly, it was not the first group Mustaine tried out; see Megadeth band members. I can get citations if required. (The Elfoid (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening of history has line-up errors

message: Anyone have a source for this, nothing I have found has shown that this has actually been made official yet. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Until it is official Glen Drover should remain listed as a member.--E tac (talk) 02:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a part about what kind of addition Dave Mustaine thinks Chris Broderick will be to the band. As far as I can tell from the concert youtube videos (as terrible quality as they are), Chris Broderick seems like he can play these solos extremely well, and Dave Mustaine thinks that it's like when Ozzy Osbourne found Rhandy Rhoads. — talk § _Arsenic99_ 09:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Broderick?

message: Hey, what's the deal with showing off how Megadeth sounded 20 years ago with having clips of the remastered versions from 2004? The remastered versions differ much from the original ones, and on So Far So Good.. the vocal is even rerecorded. Maybe I missed something? To me it seems that if this is done without any kind of copyright issue or other problem, a choice is made to have these recordings as they sound more "fresh" than the originals, thus an attempt to make it seem to a newcomer/first listener etc that they sounded better in the past than they really did. Especially as the sound clips are placed in these time period sections that most of the article consists of, making it seem more like this is how it sounded when it came out (I know it still says "remastered in 2004.. but still). And as newcomers/first listeners don't have anything to compare with, all this seems very biased as it shuns the old (maybe inferior) recordings. (WP:NPOV anyone?). I strongly object having it this way. Grinder0-0 (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I uploaded mostly the remasters because they are now the "official versions" - with the originals out of print. I thought that having the old ones up may cause some kind of legal issue... Dave re-recorded the vocals only on the song "Take No Prisoners" and the MD.45 album, because both vocals were missing, but not on SFSGSW.  I agree that using the old version samples makes sense for the old songs, but those were what I had on hand when uploading at the time.  I can try and add some of the older ones soon. Skeletor2112 (talk) 11:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying. Hmm you're probably correct about SFSGSW, but you get the point ;) Yes, it would be great if you could upload the original versions! But would it really be any difference copyright wise? I'm not an expert on copyright, but isn't both the originals and remastered ones released under Capitol Records (and Combat, don't really get that), making it no difference? Grinder0-0 (talk) 11:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why use remastered samples?

message: ever listened to risk is a hard rock album so im putting that up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.225.25.37 (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: hard rock should be a genre too

message: I noticed that several Megadeth-related articles have ellipses in them, such as Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?, Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!, Still Alive… And Well?, "Holy Wars… The Punishment Due" and "Never Walk Alone… A Call to Arms". Notably, these articles capitalize the words 'and', 'the', and 'a'. However, according to WP:MUSTARD, these words should not be capitalized, as there does not appear to be a rule that allows the capitalization of these words after ellipses. So, should the articles be changed to Peace Sells… but Who's Buying?, Killing Is My Business… and Business Is Good!, Still Alive… and Well?, "Holy Wars… the Punishment Due" and "Never Walk Alone… a Call to Arms"?
-Xnux the Echidna 01:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support! Burningclean [speak] 02:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the changes have been made. Yay for meticulous capitalization! Xnux the Echidna 21:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Capitalization

message: GAH! What happened the the references? Bulbous (talk) 21:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reflist

message: In the movie Cape Fear when Danielle's wall is shown, she has a "Rust in Peace" album poster on her wall. I previously added this and it was deleted as unsourced. I re-added it, and cited the movie itself as the source. 
Sources do not have to be internet based, as books are acceptable. Since the only fact I am verifying is that the poster was shown, the movie should suffice as the source to that fact. There is no ambiguity as it was shown clearly enough to read. The poster can first be seen at 1:14:04 and is most visible at 1:14:42 JeffStickney (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: popular culture- Cape Fear mention

message: Some little fucker changed all the band member names to swing singers so it needs a revert but i have no clue how to do that.71.17.159.25 (talk) 02:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Major fucking vandalism

message: Somebody is editing the Megadeth albums (Notably Peace Sells and Countdown to Extincion), and saying that they were made by "Heavy metal band" Megadeth. Megadeth are definitely Thrash metal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.218.17 (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Albums

message: Why is Hard Rock listed as a genre? Risk was an experimental album --;  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.184.42 (talk) 23:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an overwhelming recent edit history from editors in Wales and England and the United States and New Zealand that support the inclusion based on the the post Countdown to Extinction releases that have been primarily traditional hard rock and heavy metal. These albums have very little thrash metal on them and so the ancestoral genre origin takes precedence on the bands description. They are more hard rock than thrash metal and have been that way for almost 20 years. 165.228.66.170 (talk) 21:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the band is just as much hard rock as they are anything else. They(Mustaine) haven't been a thrash band for a quite a while although their last 2 albums were close to the Rust in Peace style. But with a more traditional hard rock sound. 24.67.64.107 (talk) 22:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that there is an overwhelming recent edit history from editors does not have any pull in saying what their genre is. The fact of the matter is, they should speak their mind on this talk page before making blind edits regarding disputed facts without taking other editors into account. Additionally, their nationality has nothing to do with their credibility regarding Megadeth's genre. The general consensus on the article's OWN TALK PAGE has overwhelming support, if anything, to leave it off. Explain to me how there is not a consensus to leave "hard rock" out of their genre listing. Just read the two sections regarding this issue. --Almosthonest06 (talk) 04:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

text: They have been a hard rock/heavy metal band from Extinction up to today. Their albums have heavy metal songs. But they also contain songs that aren't heavy metal they are just hard rock styled. Especially their singles. 203.97.49.128 (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Risk and maybe Cryptic were the only "hard rock" albums. You don't see the kind of lyrics in Youthanasia or Countdown in hard rock. Hell, Youthanasia and Countdown are faster than just about all the Hard Rock albums. You don't see the solos in System and United Abominations in Hard Rock. I don't see how a band can have a major genre on maybe 2 out of their albums. Metallica, I can see where the hard rock came from, but Megadeth? come on. Mainstream != hard rock.AlanZhan (talk) 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a consensus among more editors to keep the field accurate. The band's output since Countdown to Extinction has been hard rock and heavy metal with very little thrash metal and no speed metal. Persistent pov reverts by only 3 editors against 17 others results in this. 202.174.177.40 (talk) 01:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

text: That IP up there, by the way, is MetalKommandant socking. Anyway, I don't know why you're all discussing what specific albums sound like because it's a moot topic. None of you can choose the genre. Back it up with sources, please. ScarianCall me Pat! 15:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I generally hate genre debates, but is there even a single reliable source that calls Megadeth a hard rock band? There seems to be a lot of opinion above but no sourcing... Blackmetalbaz (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Listen to everything their albums from 1993+, they definitely have some Hard Rock songs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.50 (talk) 09:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hard Rock?

message: I think it would make more sense if Lyrical Themes was a sub-headline under Controversy since the Lyrical Themes headline talks about how the lyrics in Megadeth songs are often controversial and misunderstood. Along with that where it talks about Dave Mustaine's controversy I think that should be a sub-headline titled "Dave Mustaine". Adam9393 (talk) 06:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is Lyrical Themes seperate from Controversy?

message: The "Peace Sells..." section states: In February 1987 Megadeth was added as the opening band on Alice Cooper's Constrictor tour, followed by a brief tour supporting Mercyful Fate in the US.
However, Mercyful Fate did not exist in 1987 - this band broke up in 1985, and did not reunite or tour again until 1992-3.If anyone knows who the headlining band really was - please fix this error...
77.125.83.83 (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Tour with Mercyful Fate" in.... 1987?

message: does anyone know why they deliberately misspelled their name?
"The name Megadeth is a deliberate misspelling of the word megadeath"
also doesn't this need a source?
Coolpizza84 (talk) 07:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it needs a source. I can't remember where I heard why they did it. I believe it made it symmetrical for one thing. Also interesting, Pink Floyd was originally The Meggadeaths. DrSatan (talk) 01:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deliberate Misspelling

message: "Dave also mentioned he expects the album to be done by January 2009"
Don't you think that's way to quick to work on a new album? Not that i'm doubting the band or anything (I love megadeth) It just seems too good to be true....because look how long it took UA to come out. 
Is there a source on that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.44.204 (talk) 06:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: new album in 2009!?

message: http://www.jimmydegrasso.com/bio.html there, their former drummers website, im readding it and im adding my source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.159.25 (talk) 
:Please sign your comments with four tildes, and no - that's not a reliable critical unbiased source. It's written by the webmaster, and could just aswell have said heavy metal. Not acceptable. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 10:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an opinion; biased, and he can say anything he wants. AlanZhan (talk) 20:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: SOURCE FOR HARD ROCK

message: Now when just about every other edit is for the purpose of adding something to the effect of "Dave Mustaine/Megadeth is gay" just about every 12 hours, I think it would be easier to just lock the page? -MetalKommandant (talk) 20:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bring back protection?

message: Megadeth got a new DVD called "Blood in the water"
Can someone check that please?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.132.194.90 (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New DVD Live

message: is megadeth really coming out with a new album and can som1 find wat date it will come out (Seth4000 (talk) 20:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: new album?

message: Search in megadeth page in the part of february news, and you will see that the title says February 24, 2009 - SONG NAME REVEALED: "THE HARDEST PART OF LETTING GO". O and yeah they are preparing a new album for summer 2009.--Dethmyname (talk) 22:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Song

message: I've found something of interest. Apparently, former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jimmy DeGrasso are both participating in a collaboration with Tim "Ripper" Owens and Andreas Kisser, called Hail!. If anyone needs a source, here is the link: . I'm not going to add this to the article YET, but does anyone else think that we should? 98.174.219.194 (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hail!

message: This portion from the controversy section doesn't match what I've heard: "In April 1988, at a concert in Antrim, Northern Ireland, Mustaine "unknowingly" dedicated the final song to the IRA.[89][90] Before the final song, "Anarchy in the UK", Mustaine said, "This one's for The Cause!". A fight amongst the audience ensued, as Protestants took offense and, according to Mustaine, the band had to travel in a "bulletproof bus" for the remainder of the tour of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Mustaine later alleged that he had been misled as to the meaning of the expression "the cause" by T-Shirt bootleggers outside the venue where they were performing. This incident served as inspiration for one of Megadeth's most well-known songs, "Holy Wars... The Punishment Due"."
My concern is with part referenceing the song Holy Wars.... Punishment Due. If I recall correctly in a TV interview with Dave he noted that the song was based on a Marvel comic book The Punisher and a multipart storyline called Holy War.  (citation needed ;) )  While the incident In N. Ireland may also be connected to this song the lyrics strongly suggest the comic as the main inspiration.  As I don't have the full citation myself I'll leave the entry as is but do think it needs to be reviewed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tracepac (talk • contribs) 01:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my information, it's really two songs in one. That is, the middle section is about Dave's love of the Punisher comic books, while the rest is about "the cause". I could be wrong through, as there is indeed a Punisher issue titled "Holy War". But I guess I should be trying to find a citation rather than giving an excuse. I would agree with removing it until a citation can be found to support such a statement. Quxert (talk) 04:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed - don't agree

message: And yet it's back. I thought this was resolved? -MetalKommandant (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to produce one that says they aren't. The Real Libs-speak politely 02:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to provide one that says they ARE. When Megadeth was promoted to FA, hard rock was not included as a genre. You are adding material and it is obviously being challenged. --Almosthonest06 (talk) 02:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Why is supposed to be deleted? Hard rock is Megadeth of the 1990s. It is correct the way it is with hard rock listed. Fair Deal (talk) 10:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Source it. Not about opinion.AlanZhan (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Guess we'll need a poll. There is a lengthy history of numerous editors adding hard rock... and very editors (including an IP sockpuppeteer) removing it. The Real Libs-speak politely 00:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, a poll is worthless since it is opinion. The entire point of this is the avoid opinionated genres, and none of us can say what a band's genre is. (as Scarian said above). AlanZhan (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus would be the next step if no one comes up with a source. For example: Nirvana (band) doesn't have any sources for their genres because of consensus; alternative rock is the umbrella term and grunge is the specific. Although, I've never actually heard Megadeth and I don't know a huge amount about them. ScarianCall me Pat! 00:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

text: There is an overwhelming consensus to include it with only one IP user who keeps removing it. The term thrash metal doesn't apply to any of the band's 1990s hard rock and melodic heavy metal output and yet there is no argument over that unreferenced term. And the band has no speed metal in their catalog after the début album and even it has very little speed metal style on it in the first place. The infobox field should just include: heavy metal, hard rock, thrash metal, in that order. Fair Deal (talk) 00:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Overwhelming consensus? Where? According to this discussion, MetalKommandant, AlanZhan, Scarian, and myself agree it should be removed. You are the only one in this discussion who suggests otherwise. When it comes down to it, there is no source for it. Furthermore, when the article was promoted to FA, hard rock was not a genre listed. According to WP:CITE, "Sources should be cited when adding material that is challenged or likely to be challenged." Again, hard rock was not included in the FA version, and is therefore being added. --Almosthonest06 (talk) 01:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what the article looked like when it went FA. FAs are not set in stone. And note that one of Scarian's last edits to the article here was to re-add hard rock after it had been removed by the 86.X IP sock who has been trying to blank the content for some time. MetalKommandant has already been investigated and blocked from editing because he has used IP sockpuppets originating from the 86.X range so his vote is negated. Admins like Scarian and Wiki libs re-adding it and requesting it be left alone. I support the inclusion of it. In the article edit history the attempts to remove have been reverted by other users incl: Grip the husk, WetherB, Peter Fleet and countless anon editors whose IPs originate from the UK, the US, mainland Europe, South Asia, NZ/Au and so on. That is overwhelming consensus for inclusion. There was a request for citations to support the removal of the genre but so far those citations have not been produced. Consensus can be overturned if these citations can be brought here. Fair Deal (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Comparing Megadeth to Korn and Marilyn Manson? I'm sorry, but those two are nu-metal, not thrash. Motorhead is only listed as rock because of Lemmy's repeated frustration about being called metal. I agree with 86.136.212.175, though I'll up him and say it should be included on Cryptic Writings also. -AlanZhan 76.254.20.166 (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Scarian, Peter Fleet and Fair Deal that heavy metal and hard rock should be ahead of thrash metal in the list and that speed metal should not be left out. GripTheHusk (talk) 02:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Scarian had no opinion on the matter, and he did his fair share of hard rock reverts, and even going as far as threatening anybody who changed the hard rock genre without a real source with blocking. Hard rock should not be ahead of thrash metal because Megadeth has not made more than two hard rock albums. Heavy metal should be above thrash metal however. AlanZhan 76.254.20.166 (talk) 03:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

text: See WP:CON. The Real Libs-speak politely 14:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Observation: The very first source used in this article this one begins "MEGADETH one of hard rock¹s most revered acts" - it is being used for sales figures and comes after Megadeath being a heavy metal band, however the cite does not, in fact, mention heavy metal.--Alf melmac 15:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Still no source for hard rock

message: if there are any member of megadeth that need to have an article i can create one and make it good. i noticed there are alot of former megadeth members and lots dont have they're own article. im in wikiproject metal and wikiproject rock. reply to this to tell me which one/ones i should do. CallMeAndrew (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i made Greg Handevidt article about a month ago. CallMeAndrew (talk) 00:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Megadeth Memeber

message: Didn't Megadeth Do an Act with slayer? It Says they went on tour like 14 years ago. And in Slayers profile it says Associated Acts:megadeth, Testament  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.8.72.112 (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Associated acts means they shared a member. In this case, Kerry King, who joined Megadeth for a while. I believe Megadeth are touring with Slayer in Canada too though. -AlanZhan 173.58.88.184 (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Slayer?