Talk:Indie music scene

message: In Indonesian, the independent music scene also has growing fast, just like a grass in the big savana. however mostly the claimed of Independent band or indie band is just because of they can not have an access to the major labels. (well, thats ruin the truly independent band whom truly stand and doing they creation in independently ways Rossa mam (talk) 17:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you totally wrong Rossa mam, Today in Indonesia, They have dozens of Indie music Label, FFWD, Yesnowave, Aksara, Rooftop, Blackmorse, Rockspace Records, and many more . Many Independent band grows from this label and they all truly stand and doing their creation in independent ways. Band such as The s.i.g.i.t and Salman Aditya for example. (Tommyvarcetti (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: the Indonesian independent music scene

message: No reference to Non-Anglophone Indie Music Scenes exists here. This is a huge bias, since some of these scenes influenced contemporary-era music as well. In this article also the term scene is attributed only to genres such as rock and metal. However the term nowadays refers to rap or electronica regional scenes as well. I hope that all the above matters will be covered by the article sometime soon. Omnipedian (talk) 06:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, Independent music is so badly underestimated on wikipedia, which is understandable because most people live, eat, sleep and think within mainstream society & cultures. There are massive scenes in cities all over South-East Asia, Japan, Italy, Germany, France, Spain, the list goes on! And regional towns also have independent music scenes, here in Australia alone, scenes exist in Geelong, Newcastle, Woolongong and Launceston, albeit smaller scenes...and a word on Independent Music... I'd estimate 80-90% of art, music, film, is created within independent spheres, while mainstream culture accounts for 10-20%, which is usually anywhere bewteen 0 and 30 or more years behind the independent spheres. Just something to ponder. Nick carson (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Anglophone indie music scenes missing

message: It's cool to see AS220 mentioned. It would be cool to see if someone could track down some info on Club Babyhead too, which was where Club Hell is now. AS220 used to be were Jerky's is (upstairs from Club Hell) back in the day; you could hang out in the alley behind Babyhead and listen to bands at AS220.
Don't forget The Livingroom, which gets a mention in Rollins' "Get in the Van". 
If I happen to come across anything I'll add it, but don't wait for me if anyone else can add something. maxcap 10:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re:Providence

message: --Allmodcons91 (talk) 00:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factory Records 

message: What's a scene, exactly?
I am non-city folk.  I think too many articles on specific aspects of culture are written both by and for those within that culture.  As such, the article writers see no need to provide even a simple, basic definition of their culture's jargon word in the introduction.  They jump right into all the different types and the details and what-have-you.
I would appreciate if someone would add to the introduction a couple sentences with the attitude of "scenes for dummies".
Any reactions to this comment like "What idiot doesn't know what a scene is?" will only illustrate my point. Mbarbier (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, uh, this may be a stupid question, but... 

message: Last time I checked, a "music scene" (which redirects to this) was not just bloody rock music, it can be any music type. Looking at the UK sections, and most others here, all they have done is list rock groups supposedly who have a following by young teenagers, who usually think they are more important than the actually are. What about the myriads of black music scenes, for example? This needs a major clean-up by someone older than 12 years old for sure! Absolutely awful as it stands. Jimthing (talk) 05:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock Rock Rock — why ?! 

message: User:Ridernyc seems to think all in Wikipedia should be sourced and erases every sentence in this article when a source is not present. That's not how things should go. You only delete info if you don't believe it. For instance Blonde Redhead, Yo La Tengo, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, etc are part of the scene of NYC. This is deleted, because it was unsourced. Anybody knows those bands are from NYC and play a key role factor in the indie movement and no sources are needed for mentioning those bands in a section about the NYC indie scene. I'd prefer if contributors use  instead of this angry blanketing of pages constantly. Please insert all deleted info back in the article, UNLESS you doubt the band inclusion for being irrelevant (spamming of red unknown bands). Thanks, 94.210.222.154 (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a controversial subject that needs to be properly sourced, end of story.  This article will not go back to the massive pile of original research that it was. Your opinions on sourcing are wrong in this area. Ridernyc (talk) 18:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems with other contributors edits

message: :I use sources some contributors don't know, because they are not European. VPRO for instance is 100% reliable and reputable and third party. The occuring problem is similar to a antropological phenomenon called Male White Dominance or something (I don't know how it is called in English, please fix this red link, since I'm looking for it for a long time). This is an English language version of Wikipedia trying to uphold a NPOV. NPOV is only possible is you present the content with a worldwide POV and not only an American or English POV. Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Japanese, Danish, Dutch, French, German texts about a local indie scenes are considered (by English native contributors) as unreliable, unnotable 3rd party sources. However ignoring aspects occuring outside US and UK is not very neutral and highly inaccurate giving a distorted POV. 94.210.222.154 (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is not with that I don't know the sources,The issue is the sources do not say what you are saying in the article.Ridernyc (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, what to do with this source: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/artikelen/artikel/42638621
A pretty good one explaining about the Amsterdam scene of 2009. Besides explaining the current activity within the scene it also mentions which bands are active, what the org S. is doing, info about the 15.000 circulation of the leading paper magazine about indie, they put out, How many visitors they've attrackted (50.000!!!!!). It summaraizes quiet some involved venues (I read 5 in the first minute running through the article. Please insert info or say this is a lame link. What is going on here? 94.210.222.154 (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 2nd I feel like I'm in catch 22 situation and it is rather easy to trace every word I pick wrong, since I'm not a native speaker. If I interprete texts in sources wrong, or choose the wrong words, change the words and follow what is in the source. You just erase ALL TEXT ALL THE TIME, because it is 94.210.222etc. That's not very helpful and highly annoying. I'm bringing in tons of sources. Of course you can do something with it and reverting all the time is not very fair. 94.210.222.154 (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I delete your addictions due to sourcing , nothing more then that. Ridernyc (talk) 10:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems with sources outside English native regions

message: How about Athens, GA? Or Portland? Huge indie scenes. I'd add myself but I'm not terribly experienced with sourcing and whatnot. x( 68.83.219.110 (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Really need to add for North Am.

message: I realize that indie is technically short for independent but in everyday usage (with respect to music) it seems to have lost this meaning. For instance when people here in Portland, Oregon talk of indie music or indie rock the majority of time they are referencing to Emo, Screamo, College Rock, or "alternative". I think some hipsters consider their music indie rock, and others consider it rock 'n' roll. Most punks do not consider themselves "indie", although they are independent. DIY or autonomous are more commonly used terms. I've reviewed a lot of back issues major of punk 'zines like Maximumrocknroll, Slug and Lettuce, The Defector, and Profane Existence and have not been able to find a single instance of the "punk" being used interchangeably with "indie".  Likewise, in a review of underground hip-hop music and literature one would probably not find a reference to their scene as "indie".  I think the article should be rewritten to "Music Scene", in which a revised indie music scene could be a separate, smaller article. XXVII (talk) 05:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indie = independent or indie = emo? 

message: I do not believe the term "Scene kids" should redirect here. It is a completely different topic, no?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BriannaBledsoe (talk • contribs) 04:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Why are they given as a representative NYC indie rock band next to internationally recognized bands like LCD Soundsystem? In fact, before them! They're not even like a big NYC band. Has anyone every heard of them? I think someone either from the band, connected to them, or a random fan decided to include them. I don't think they are an important or representative band at all for the scene.
Unless I hear otherwise I'm going to delete them from the NYC section soon.
THEMlCK (talk) 03:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Place to Bury Strangers? Really? 

message: removed decade name apostrophes per Basic_copyediting--RichardMills65 (talk) 04:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed decade name apostrophes per Basic_copyediting 

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message: The cleanup tag had been on the article since June 2009, I tried to get rid of some of the worst offending original research. Many of the examples were indiscriminate lists of artists from the city or country, often completely unrelated, with no source to suggest they were part of a defined scene. I tried to find reasons to leave things there, anything with a relevant main article, or any sourcing, or details about a scene's significance over and above "having indie bands". Setting these inclusion criteria for mention on this article would make it truly unreadable and non-maintainable. If there is any material you want to replace, please do but only with a source, not so much for whether the information is true, but for whether it is notable and relevant to this article topic. This article is still in poor shape and could probably do with a lot more cutting. Jdcooper (talk) 00:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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