Talk:Carbon neutrality

message: I am unsure what to do about the section "Example of pledges". This could blow out more and more and might not be so suitable for a high level article on carbon neutrality. I've just moved some content that I felt was overly detailed to relevant sub-articles. In many cases, I think the content could be moved to the "climate change in country X" articles (which presumably didn't exist when this article was first created). We already have an overview table which is probably more suitable than a section for each country? EMsmile (talk) 10:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the overview should be moved to the new “net zero” article and the countries to their own articles in my opinion Chidgk1 (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to do about the long list of country examples? 

message: Now that we have a separate article on net zero, I have moved the criticism section to there (as it was talking about net zero) and then brought it back via an excerpt. However, I am unclear on whether this is good like this. It seems to me that the criticism usually applies to both, to the carbon neutrality concept and the net zero concept equally? Don't people who talk about these criticisms just use the two terms interchangeably? Or is there a clear difference in the way people criticise one concept versus the other? Pinging User:Boyd Reimer who worked on this criticism section in the past. EMsmile (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to deal with the criticism section 

message: So is there consensus whether climate carbon neutrality (edit: I meant carbon neutrality) is only about CO2 or about all GHGs? It seems to me there is no consensus yet and therefore this should be made clear early on, already in the first paragraph of the lead. Or it might be like carbon footprint which some use for only CO2 (like IPCC) but the general trend is that it's for all GHGs. So far this does not come out clearly in the lead yet. (my recent changes to the first sentence of the lead tried to improve on that but I might have failed) EMsmile (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All GHGs (unless you are the government of New Zealand) Chidgk1 (talk) 19:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm now I am confused again as your question was about climate neutral whereas GB National Grid talks about carbon neutral https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy-explained/carbon-neutral-vs-net-zero-understanding-difference# Chidgk1 (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WEF define for companies not countries https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/08/carbon-neutral-net-zero-sustainability-climate-change/ Chidgk1 (talk) 19:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As a country Turkey buys a lot of coal from Russia (hey it is cheap now). But methane emissions from Russian coal mines go on their “net zero” target not ours. But if we were a company not a country they would go on our net zero target if I understand right Chidgk1 (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe double counted on both selling and buying companies? I give up now Chidgk1 (talk) 19:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only CO2 or all GHGs?