Talk:Toshitsugu Takamatsu

message: This reads as bullshido, likely written by students of bujinkan to lend some credibility to their organization. The concept of a 'ninja' school or ryu is a well known fraud to anyone inducted into a JSA, or well versed in japanese culture and history. If they would claim to be a gendai art I would have no problem with it, but this false lineage makes it 100% bullshido.
Uh...is there any documentation for any of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.52.73.254 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not, except various Bujinkan sources. I don't think it is possible to independently verify most of the claims made by Bujinkan and its affiliates. I have added  in hope someone adds even the Bujinkan sources to this article. jni 13:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: What's this in response to? Keep in mind Hattori Hanzo had both "ninja and samurai roots" as well. Further, ninja was technically a job and caste as well -- view the first line of the wiki on caste, and compare to the social structure of the ninja: gennin, chunin, and jonin.68.108.104.183 18:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rambling comments from over the years 

message: I would change that, but I'm sort of too baffled to do so.  I cannot rightly apprehend the sort of confusion of ideas that would lead to such a statement.  --GenkiNeko 20:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually "Saigo no jissen ninja" that Takamatsu is referred to as. Rough translations tend to be "last 'real combat' ninja", "last ninja in practice", and "last true ninja". From "saigo" meaning "last", and "jissen" meaning "combat, real fighting".Stslavik 19:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The last WHAT? 

message: Only a year away: In 1909 he is said to be 22 (years of age); yet he is 21 in 1910...
I haven't checked the rest of the list; I think a job for someone with a copy of Hatsumi-sensei's book! MonstaPro 00:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline inconsistencies 

message: The page has been vandalized numerous times - can it be reverted to an earlier version?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Threeboy (talk • contribs) 01:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalisim 

message: Done. I confirmed his kanji name by this page. --Nightshadow28 12:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese script 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: much of what has been said in this article is from what hastumie sensi has said or HINTED about in his teachings and books. there is little known about the real takamatsu and i belive that tis article should be posted as having only one unrelible source  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.213.218 (talk) 01:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  there is little or no DIRECT evedance of this from any  one sourse 

message: I just wanted to add that the organization here could use some improvement. The article starts off with biographical info and other details, but doesn't say anything about the significance of this person.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orblivion (talk • contribs) 12:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Topic? 

message: Hi, sorry but we need to remove this section. There is not even a SINGLE source for this  controversy. Where is it coming from ?
Now people doesn't trust people who owns the techniques ? What's next ? Steve Jobs didn't founded Apple because I don't trust his speech or I hate Apple ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.damien (talk • contribs) 16:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

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message: It seems there is some of Takamatsu's story that is legendary and some that is fact. An effort should be made to distinguish verbal accounts and legendary accounts of clear facts and make NPOV distinctions between the two. Just a look at the Martial Arts training gives an idea that there is a lot of legend miked in with fact. --Crio de la Paz (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Legend vs. Fact

message: Please indicate exactly who T. Hatsumi is and what his relationship is to Takamatsu before re-adding extraneous quoted information from Draeger.  Assuming that because this person has a similar name and therefore is Masaaki Hatsumi is WP:OR and poor logic.--Stvfetterly (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  T. Hatsumi 

message: While tidying up the reference tagging, I've hidden (please note: not deleted entirely) several paragraphs that are either not referenced, or that don't fit themselves into the flow of the article. They are well-written enough that I can see them having a place in the article, but at present they do not tie in or establish themselves. The exception to this would be the paragraph on the Iga-ryu museum, which when reading the source doesn't seem to state that they believe Kawakami Jinichi is the sole heir to ninjutsu, only that he is a heir to ninjutsu (reference: Iga-ryu museum FAQ). — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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