Talk:Evocation

message: Basically, the conjuration and evocation articles describe the same thing so they should be merged. The identity of subjects may be insufficiently apparent because both articles are currently very messy, but have a look and I think you'll agree.
Even if we salvage the good bits from either and drop the rest, it needs a lot more work, especially sources. Terminology is a huge problem I expect, because the various traditions have very different words for things and don't always mean quite the same thing: for example, in western style evocation, it is expected a spirit will manifest outside the practitioner, and when it manifests inside, that is invocation and a different thing. Denial (talk) 18:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If A merger must be made so be it, however conjuration is part of the Evocation but it is not the same as evocation. Conjuration is the verbal command given to the entety one is working with to come forth even before we enter the Sephiroth of the being to gide it back to the physical plane. - German  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.46.149.5 (talk) 01:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It's probably going to confuse a lot of readers if you describe this in Qabalistic terminology (which is also foreign to most of the traditional works on evocation). But yes, the conjuration is technically just one element of evocation, although in more loose usage "conjuring up a demon" is pretty much the same as "evoking a demon". Fuzzypeg★ 21:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: I marked this article for cleanup. The content needs to be expanded, formatted and structured for better quality. As of right now, I'd say our to-do list is to identify a structure for the article, then start moving the content and expanding on it. 
For starters, let's get some structure. Evocation... in different magical traditions, in literature, etc. Appropriate links to other pages on magic are required as well. Finally, NPOV requires that we don't necessarily take as given a particular opinion about the reality of magic or its morality as the current article seems to take as given. 
I know little or nothing about this subject, but I know that it does require attention from someone with some domain knowledge. 
Wellspring 00:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. Most religion/magic articles currently make do without mentioning the opinions of holders of competing worldviews. More sources would be more useful. I only have German language ones and other encyclopedias, so although I'm optimistic about the factual accuracy of the article, I can't name more sources besides the single one I just added, which doesn't cover most of the claims made in the article. Denial 00:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Anyone know how to evoke shub niggurath?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.36.46 (talk) 09:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shub 

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