Talk:Neil Strauss

message: There are two types of brain the strategic and the social. Men have the strategic brain. Women have the social brain. It is perfectly normal for men to lack social skills. This is real scientific fact not some moronic made up book claim.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolerthancoolascoo (talk • contribs) 22:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be more specific in exactly what you thing is wrong? Because thundercat is related to style. Mathmo 19:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social skills brain V Strategic skill brain

message: im not too good with this whole wikipedia thing so i dont know how to do it, but i think you should mention that he is in sugarcults new music video "do it alone" heres a link for proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mdSE7d8Drk
oh and if anyone is on his newsletter list, that movie he was in that he talked about awhile back, it needs added.
Please do not add commercial links unless they qualify re Wikipedia:External links.  brenneman(t)(c) 02:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * His profile does include MM; it already links to the wikipedia articles on Mystery (seduction community) and Mystery Method.  I suspect that anyone reading the article will go to the Mystery Method page if they are interested in it, and they will be able to find links to his site there.  Since both those pages already have links to Mystery's stuff, and since it is Wikedia policy to reduce external links (especially commercial links), I removed those links.  When you kept putting them back, I reverted your edits because you gave absolutely no explanation.  Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:External links.  I care because I am also working on seduction community related pages, and you are making my job HARDER if you spam commercial links everywhere.  It will simply cause other editors to meet anything related to the community with skepticism, and make them more likely to nuke any external links related to the community.  Is that what you want?  In case you didn't know, the original version of the Seduction Community article was deleted partly because of commercial links.   --SecondSight 08:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: None of the articles provided confirmation from any of the parties involved that Leveridge actually broke up with Strauss in favor of Robbie Williams.  All we really know is that they had dinner dates, and that he is into her.  Until some conclusive evidence is cited that Strauss and Leveridge have broken up, lets leave the tabloid speculation out of the article.  According to this blog post, the rumors aren't true anyway.
:I'm one of those taking the Stylelife challenge. Someone on the forum posted a thread where he said he met up with Neil, and apparently him and Lisa are indeed over. Dessydes 18:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break-up of Strauss and Lisa Leveridge 

message: I've added a Bibliography section to enumerate all of Neil's published books. I know this is also discussed in the "Work" section, however, I've noticed most authors have a bibliography section that lists all their published books. This also makes it easier for readers to look up specific works. --PAT or JK 04:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: It was actually a PUA by the name of Joseph Matthew, who calls himself Thundercat who named Neil Strauss "the most powerful of the Jedi", as told in "the Game".At the end of every year since 2003, he has held a contest on his website to determine the best PUA of the year. In 2004 he declared Neil "The most powerful of the Jedi".  80.47.159.250 05:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is wierd apparently he's NOt broken up with Lisa . Dessydes 16:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self Proclaimed?? 

message: although he claims in his book to have been in the community for a couple of years or whatever, there are rumours he had been around since 98/99. Basically we are only going on what he says himself, nobody knows for sure.....  Mathmo Talk 20:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "One year after he had joined the community, he published an article in the New York Times about his experiences"

message: I'll dig around for a source first though before posting it, because most people probably won't believe me. Mathmo Talk 11:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably is the same one, unless there are two? You can see Chris Powles referenced for it on IMDB. Mathmo Talk 01:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Powles was once in a porno movie 

message: IrishJew reverted an edit made  because they thought it might be vandalism. Weirdly... it is not! Checked out the videos , that is Neil Strauss in them. Though, if it is to be included might need to be rephrased a little differently. Mathmo Talk 10:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I almost reverted that too. I guess it falls under "truth stranger than fiction." -- Ben 14:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, must have been more than once person who tried to add it in? Hadn't notice that, I haven't been watching my watchlist quite so carefully recently. Sure is "truth stranger than fiction", something a lot of people on XfD don't seem to realise which bugs me. Voting for deletion simply because they hadn't heard about it or don't believe in it, when a 5 second google search would show them otherwise (even worse when the nominator doesn't do the basic checking, had to deal with that several times over earlier this month with a whole bunch of bands that were being nominated for deletion). Ah well, such is life here on wikipedia. Was very surprised when I saw the video clips, is some crazy stuff being shown. Pushing the limits for sure! Wonder if this should be mentioned and the best way to go about it. I'm thinking just a one line mention and a link is all there should be at the moment. Mathmo Talk 13:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But... Mathmo! This is so important!!! One line just won't do! I think it needs at least its own section and a mention in the intro. (The preceding was meant as humor.) -- Ben 14:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: nah, what you meant to say is that instead of en.wikipedia.org what we need to have as well is noserape.wikipedia.org, not just its own section but its own entire site! lol Mathmo Talk 17:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nose Rape 

message: Just by chance came across on msn another article by him, this time from Esquire.  Mathmo Talk 08:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Totally Scientific Guide to Seduction 

message: This article reads like a publicity piece.  We are told his stories are ribald, we have details about his promotional activities, and everytime a negative review is added it is removed. Hence the template.--Doug Weller (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: so the template is here because each time a negative review is added it is removed? doesn't seem like much of a reason to have it, if a review is removed again when it should be kept then put it down here on the talk page (I tend to follow talk pages more closely than an article, as there are less edits to it) then I will myself see to it that it is kept in the article as it should be. Cheers! Mathmo Talk 09:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think that (forgetting the negative review) it is NPOV? Doug Weller (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it could do with some of the more critical views of him (like his spinning of the truth, his level of skill, his marketing methods, etc etc), of which there are plenty (Though proper sourcing could be tricky). but over all I don't feel it is a big enough issue to slap a huge NPOV tag on it. Mathmo Talk 05:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'm happy now. Thanks. --Doug Weller (talk) 06:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Did you note that someone sabotaged the link to the review, removing the 'o' from seduction? Anyway, I am pretty sure that in this case you are wrong. For one thing, the review was on the Seduction Community website, not on the Seduction Community blog. So, I am putting it back but I'll raise a discussion on the RS noticeboard, WP:RSN--Doug Weller (talk) 09:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be correct that these sources are not blogs, yet the problem remains that they are self-published websites. The quote from WP:V in my last comment applies to them also: Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable.. Here's another relevant quote from WP:V: Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer Do not leave unsourced information that may damage the reputation of living persons or organizations in articles (See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons for details of this policy). Consequently, the default is that we need to keep that material out of the article until its verifiability is established. Thanks for raising the issue on the RSN noticeboard. If you get a positive answer there, you are welcome to put that material back in, though I would be very surprised. WP:V is really not at all ambiguous on this issue. --SecondSight (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You cite the "Self published" rule but ignore, of course, that that applies as well to Strauss' website, as well as his book. Especially considering there is little to no independent research backing up his claims. Like other self help gurus, from dating, to dieting, to other issues, Wikipedia should not be a source for unverifiable advice, or the people who promote it. Most of the criticisms on this talk page are correct; the article is written essentially like a puff piece with language and words that shouldn't be used, or imply more than there is actual evidence for. 24.88.79.249 (talk) 05:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strauss' website is citeable as evidence of Strauss' marketing campaign. As for his book, it is not "self-published," it is published by Regan Books, a division of Harper Collins. If you question the evidence behind specific claims in the article, then please be more specific. --SecondSight (talk) 22:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality disputed 

message: I've removed the statement surrounding the Forbes article . That article makes no mention of Neil Strauss. Any connection made in the Wikipedia article was WP:OR. I've also removed WP:ADVERT and unsourced statements about "closely guarded secrets". VG ☎ 14:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:ADVERT]] statements removed 

message: Editors of this article might be interested in the debate going on over at Talk:Mystery (pickup artist)#Requested move.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 07:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate on Mystery's article 

message: His name is Neil Darrow Strauss, as given in Emergency, page 390 =). 201.80.198.13 (talk) 01:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears not to be a credible reference, even if I could identify what it was.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 06:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Emergency is his OWN BOOK =) It's his latest book (2009) 201.80.193.83 (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Neil Darrow Strauss

message: I recall seeing in the past that Neil Strauss's real birthday was in 1969, not 1973 as it now shows. I specifically remember saying to myself, a few times even, "he is two years older than me, so maybe I can do this stuff too." I wonder, why the change?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.164.153.188 (talk) 11:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Neil's b-day is March 15 (http://www.mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2441.asp) Age: 33 http://www.myspace.com/neilstrauss  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.20.210.108 (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In reply to the response above: Neil Strauss covered the breaking story of Kurt Cobain's suicide for the New York Times, which was in March, 1994. That means if Strauss was really born in '73 as the wiki page states, he would have been only a 21-year-old university student covering such a high-magnitude story, which is highly unlikely. He also wrote about Cobain before his death, putting Strauss at an even younger age. As stated before, his previously reported age of 41 or 42 (born 1969) seems likelier.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.87 (talk) 09:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Seems like a pretty good idea.  Or how about something along the lines of, for the year of birth perhaps stating "age debated anywhere from 'x' to '42 years old.'" Might be only good as it could put pressure on someone to come up with, and stick to, the real age.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.121 (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

text: If I recall correctly, images of passports are not acceptable because they are primary sources. It's worth checking WP:BLPN archives to see. --Ronz (talk) 16:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

text: —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neil's real age 

message: My memory is vague now as it's been over a year since I read on him, but I'm pretty sure Strauss is part or full Jewish. Should it not be researched and added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.134 (talk) 17:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: My memory is vague now as it's been over a year since I read on him, but I'm pretty sure Strauss is part or full Jewish. Should it not be researched and added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.134 (talk) 17:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Strauss is most likely Jewish. This photo shows him with his father Ivan and brother Todd in a Latin School of Chicago newsletter; Todd graduated from there in 1991, so he would be born around 1973. This 1973 announcement in The Sentinel, a Jewish newspaper in Chicago, announces the birth of Todd Darrow Strauss (Darrow is also Neil's middle name) with Ivan Strauss being the father. Linked together, those pieces of evidence strongly suggest Strauss is Jewish. 2600:1700:37AA:4950:C62A:107F:93D:F08E (talk) 07:46, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

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message: Writing a book with Jeffrey. Proof through impualsive YouTube video interview. 2601:802:8102:5250:B847:829C:BA49:C48 (talk) 01:03, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This has no source. Jeffree's name is also spelt wrong. Unless someone adds a source this has no grounds. I can't ping the user since they don't have a userpage but if someone wants to add a source and/or release date I don't mind keeping tabs on that. Chefs-kiss (talk) 09:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeffrey star