Talk:Vedanta University

message: I went through the article again and saw what you were saying. I edited the article to tone down some of the language used, so that it appears fully neutral. 
A reference to the Zambian issue would be very welcome.
SDas 14:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Added later

message: It is easy to take a screenshot of the news article and upload it through www.imageshack.us . However, please don't bother. I'll take your word for it.
I am not the one insisting that "my views prevail". I only want items that are verifiable (as per Wikipedia's own guidelines) to prevail. Without any sources, what you claim to be "legitimate controversies" remained nothing more than your unsubstantiated views in the eyes of a neutral third party observer. Furthermore, I can assure you that although I wrote the Vedanta University article entirely on my own (sans a paragraph on controversies), I have no vested interests whatsoever, and my entry is certainly no PR exercise. There are several other wikipedia entries on academic institutions with an equivalent amount of (what you perhaps construe as) extolling. Do check the first paragraph on Duke or Carnegie Mellon for instance, the effusive language used by the Indian media covering the university project, or the description of the university in its own website before accusing me of providing unbalanced information. My language has simply conformed to what the Indian media has reported. But do I cherry pick what I deem suitable for Wikipedia? Possibly, but my judgement is entirely my prerogative (as long as it is verifiable)!
Yours is not the only one that I edited. Someone had posted a link to an obscure site goading people to get further information about the university. When I checked that site, I found no relevant articles. It was obviously there as an advertisement. People use vehicles such as wikipedia unethically in order to gain visibility for their viewpoints/websites. Kindly realize that since you did not add the Zambian issue in the far more pertinent Vedanta Resources wikipedia entry, your intentions were suspect too. As such, a criterion for inserting text into Wikipedia is that it must be verifiable and it also allows for edits without sources to be removed.
Here is the policy in the clearest possible terms:
; 1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.
; 2. Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor.
; 3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.
 
Please also be aware that Vedanta's Zambian activities are only a very small part of its global operations. Vedanta resources is involved heavily in mining activities in Australia too, but its main sources of revenue are South and East India. Based on these observations, it is hard to see any real nexus between Zambian mining (or Australian mining) and Vedanta university. In sharp contrast, the link between its mining activities within the state of Orissa and the university are much more apparent. 
However, since you have now said that the issue did indeed appear in a prominent Zambian daily, I too agree now that it should be mentioned in the controversies section. Being a denizen of the "third world" myself, I can see how views from some parts of the world are regularly eclipsed by the international media's obsession with the west, and it is not utterly inconceivable that Indian views could be occluding African ones as well. Hence, a single report from Zambia is good enough to warrant mention in this wikipedia entry.
An entire paragraph would make the section on controversies rather lopsided; a sentence would be appropriate. I would also encourage you to cite the newspaper article in the list of references even if no link is supplied. 
I did add two of your earlier sentences on this issue. The correct procedure as per Wikipedia's guidelines would be to allow you time to produce a source before deleting it. Although I do not intend to delete it anymore, I did place a "citations needed" tag as I feel it is the appropriate thing to do. Unfortunately, that is enough grounds for another editor to delete it later as per the guidelines.
SDas 14:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on CSHS

message: Thanks you for your further comments.  I do suggest that you check out the Wikipedia policies on mature debate and the need for building consensus rather than insisting that your views prevail.  
The references you may require appeared in the well-regarded Zambian independent newspaper The Post on 12th September this year, in a column entitled "Chingola University".  Chingola is the town where Vedanta resources has its main activities in Zambia.  Unfortunately the Post website is not free; if you would like me to e-mail you a copy I can try to contact the author to see if I can get a copy.  
I remain absolutely convinced that the Zambian perspective should be included amongst the controversies concerning the University.  It does not merit being the first and only point, but is a legitimate controversy here in Zambia that should be reflected even in the addition of a simple couple of sentences.  I am disturbed that my legitimate edit is being censored, apparently in the attempt to ensure that the page remains a one-sided public relations exercise.  
CSHS 08:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on SDas's comments

message: The proper place for CSHS's comments is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta_Resources
And I am surprised why he/she never bothered to put it there.
Criticisms are welcome in the article as long as they are backed up with evidence (even an iota will do). What was entered earlier were unsubstantiated claims. Furthermore, I do not see why that should go to here (Vedanta University) instead of an article on Vedanta Resources or even one on Agrawal himself! Newspaper articles specifically linking Vedanta University (not Vedanta Resources) with the exploitation of Zambia's resources will suffice! Just a single one will be good enough to merit having a sentence or two on Zambia in this article! 
I even did a google on "Vedanta University" and Zambia for news reports, and I was unable to find even a single one. Google returned: "Your search - Zambia "Vedanta University" - did not match any documents.".
Without any evidence, the notion:  Zambia is getting exploited by Vedanta Resources -> Agarwal made his personal fortune through Vedanta Resources -> Agarwal used that money to donate to Vedanta University, is a little too far-fetched!
The Vedanta University article provides a fair coverage of the project. It has an entire separate section on criticisms (even if it is an entry for a university!). As a matter of fact I have removed an earlier sentence that Ihad written myself on the equivalence of Vedanta University with some American schools, when someone posted that citations were missing.
SDas 20:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on CSHS's issues 

message: I am concerned that the piece on Vedanta University is being regularly monitored and edited to provide unbalanced information, contrary to the goal of the collective pursuit of improvements to Wikipedia articles.  Whilst the University is undoubtedly an impressive project and philanthropic use of Agarwal's personal resources, the controveries associated with the project should be reflected adequately in order to meet Wikipedia 'neutral point of view' standards.  
Since Agarwal is a substantial shareholder in Vedanta Resources, the origin of his personal wealth and the actions of Vedanta Resources are intrinsically linked.  Since this activity is happening today, the controversy has much greater relevance than perhaps that concerning Yale University, and should hence be reflected.  
I therefore would appreciate if SDas could permit the more open and inclusive development of this page, which already gives great applause to the new University.  Adequate discussion of the criticisms of the University and of the activities that have funded it are required to provide a balanced and overall neutral viewpoint.  The substantial contribution of its Zambian operations to the Vedanta Resources group turnover means that our views are part of the overall picture.
I therefore intend to revert to the main Vedanta University page and re-insert the Zambian issues into the contraversies section.
CSHS 12:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment on edits by SDas

message: The following paragraph was added: "It is also important to note that Vedanta is heavily involved in a number of controversial mining ventures in India, including heavy investments in Orissa. The company took over NALCO, India's major aluminium mining and smelting company a year or so ago, and is also working on other projects in the State. Like many big mining companies, Vedanta has been criticised for evading pollution controls and ignoring environmental protection regulations, particularly in Tamil Nadu but also in Orissa. There are vested interests on both sides of such disputes, but it is important that news about such ventures as the Vedanta University should go beyond company press releases and mention other aspects of their operations."
I am trying to develop this site as a reference site for Vedanta University along the same lines as those of other universities (check the IITs or Harvard or Stanford etc. in Wikipedia). Perhaps any controversy about the company should go elsewhere. 
However, I have retained that paragraph and added some of my own under a separate section "Controversies". Perhaps this issue is important before the inception of the university.
SDas 10:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits by 86.133.84.39

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thread_title:  [[WP:INDIA]] Banner/Orissa Addition 

message: This university is not well established and hence it cannot be like an entry for Harvard etc. 
The decision to build this university is controversial and it has become a part of India's land wars.
Therefore, all references to the controversies should also be included. 
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/supreme-court-orders-status-quo-in-vedanta-university-land-acquisition-case-82004
http://international.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1154%3Aop-ed-the-great-land-grab-indias-war-on-farmers&catid=80%3Apolitics&Itemid=88
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MF10Df01.html
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/08-1 
http://www.ndtv.com/article/polls/india-s-land-wars-from-singur-to-greater-noida-is-the-battle-for-land-india-s-new-political-flashpoi-104433  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azifalix (talk • contribs) 15:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Must change the content structure 

message: The headline should be changed as "Proposed Vedanta University Project" as this is not yet a real functional university. 
The content edited by few members is NOT neutral. It seems to be more like work of that of a PR agency for Vedanta.
Please try to keep all content neutral.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azifalix (talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The headline should be changed as "Proposed Vedanta University Project" 

message: Remove this as there is no written statement by the PM supporting it. The PM in general supports ANY investment in India and this should not be considered as an endorsement of the Prime minister's office unless sent in writing to the press as proof.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azifalix (talk • contribs) 21:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Manmohan Singh]], the [[Prime Minister]] of [[India]], has also expressed full support for this large philanthropic undertaking 

message: The following paragraph seems to be putting in too much of focus on
a) lofty ambitions without looking at ground realities
b) content that sounds like a promotional brochure 
c) Creating statements that are forward looking for Vedanta and its parent companies with the talk of market capitalization
d) using hyperbole in the statements such as "swanky new airport"...have you visited the airport?
e) talking about civil contractors and their experience which is not at all necessary
f) talking about the design and awards again which is not relevant.
I am highlighting the article and inserting these points indicating why it needs deletion. Admins please help in keeping this article clean. 
 
The campus layout is being designed by Ayers Saint Gross Architects and Planners, a Baltimore based firm. Ayers Saint Gross has 90 years of experience developing some of the best university campuses in the USA such as Duke, Carnegie-Mellon and Johns Hopkins. (e)(a)(b) Additionally, India based STUP Consultants have been hired for construction work during the phase-I of the project which is expected to be completed in 2011. The master plan of Vedanta university was one of the designs selected for a 2007 AIA Baltimore design award in Baltimore.(f)
Keeping in view a variety of factors based on Agarwal's desire (a - do we need to know about Agarwal's desire in an article about a non existent university?) 
, such as a scenic location, proximity to a major city, and accessibility, and based upon Ayers/Saint/Gross's recommendation, the foundation has identified  of land near the Puri-Konark marine drive between Nuanai and Balighai for the proposed Vedanta University. The Orissa government has begun connecting the site of the university to the swanky new international airport being constructed near Bhubaneswar, 70 km away, by means of a four lane expressway. Furthermore, a railway station will be located in the campus. It will also provide all necessary infrastructure to support this massive undertaking. The area would be developed into a large university township with a permanent population of 500,000 in addition to the large body of students. The township would include primary and secondary schools, apartment complexes and private residences, theaters, cinema, parks and recreation areas, restaurants and shopping complexes. 
The township will also allocate land for a research & development park. This park would serve as an incubator for other research laboratories, centers of excellence, and research oriented private companies as Vedanta University spin-offs. It will serve to channel venture capital funds into research and education. The entire area is expected to eventually evolve into a large research-cum-education complex, similar to the economic hub around Stanford with a combined market capitalization of $300 billion, only an hour away from Orissa's state capital, Bhubaneswar. (a)(b)(c)
A railway station is planned to be built in an area within the campus that will be called the Train Station Plaza. (c) 
It will be at one end of what will be called the University Greens - the main university promenade. The palm tree laced University Greens will lead to the University Quadrangle area. Classroom buildings will be centered around stylish lawns called Academic Courtyards. The entire campus would be dotted with fountains, both small and large. There will be an Olympic quality sports complex on campus, the Vedanta Stadium, and a  library. Lastly, the foundation has also announced plans to include a large super-specialty hospital with treatmentes for cancer, diabetes, and coronary diseases, as well as a research institute. In all, the Vedanta University campus would have over 100 academic and residential buildings. (a)(b)(c)
The sprawling Vedanta University campus will follow a Mandala layout, with the buildings arranged in the form of two overlapping circles. Its idyllic surroundings will include a picturesque lake in its immediate vicinity and rolling hills at a distance. The gentle, flowing waters of the Nuanai river meeting the crashing waves of the Casuarina tree-lined beach at Balighai would complete the scenic backdrop. The well-known ruins of the Sun Temple at Konark would be a few minutes away. (a) (b)(c)(d)
--Azifalix (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campus and Layout - This whole section needs some serious editing. 

message: Important to add these issues as the project right now is basically stalled. All valid references have been provided. 
--Azifalix (talk) 21:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added new sections on Legal Issues 

message: Removed this section as there are no valid references and this looks like a forward looking statement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azifalix (talk • contribs) 21:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The entire outlay to set up the dream university is estimated to be around 150 billion rupees (approximately US $3.2 billion). 

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