Talk:Mary Jane Kelly

message: The article states that "Hutchinson's detailed description is considered dubious by many modern experts of the case because of the darkness of that night." I question the accuracy of this assertion. Philip Sugden frequently references Hutchinson's account as one of the most reliable of all witness testimonies during the case. Also, the night may have been dark, but if I remember correctly I believe I've read that Hutchinson saw Kelly and the man he believed to be the Ripper under at least one gas lamp. The fact that Hutchinson claimed to have given Kelly money in the past also explains why he would be interested enough to follow her and remember what her companion looked like. Hutchinson was probably one of the more reliable witnesses, certainly ahead of Mrs. Long and excepting maybe only Israel Schwartz. Furthermore, on the Casebook's dissertation page about witnesses, Inspector Abberline is quoted as having said, "I have interrogated [Hutchinson] this evening and I am of opinion his statement is true." 68.13.236.96 05:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Hutchinson 

message: I am removing the 'information' about the movie "From Hell" from this page, because:
1) It is a huge spoiler;
2) It is not true. The person who wrote the article seems to have made the conclusion that the other girl was killed instead of Mary Jane, but I haven't. This possibility is only mentioned in the movie and it's something Johnny Depp's character clings on as the only faint hope he has, but there's absolutely no proof of it given in the movie. Maybe the person who wrote the article has misunderstood the scene at the end of the movie, in which Mary Jane seems alive and well and seems to meet Depp's character in an idyllic-looking countryside; but  this 'happyend' is immediately exposed as false, as the sequence turns out to have been only an opium-fueled fantasy of Depp's character. -Nightandday 12:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh... I don't think we really need to mention it either way in the article, but I think you misremember how the movie ends. The woman killed has a hair color completely different from Mary Kelly's, a point which Abberlie specifically notes and reacts to, and then tries to hide, so obviously was not Mary Kelly... and in the movie Abberline has visions of things that have really happened, etc., often assisted by opium, and it's one of those visions which sees Mary Kelly and knows she made it safe and sound. She is very, very much alive at the end of the movie. DreamGuy 13:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot used in "From Hell"?! 

message: The Dr. Bond quote " There was also a note. It said, "Don't blame me, blame the Jewes." is highly dubious.. Source please!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddlesthecat (talk • contribs) 14:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   "Don't blame me, blame the Jewes" 

message: The lead section of  this article does not comport with WP:LEAD.  What it is now is a summary of her looks. All of that material needs to move to an "Appearance" section. The lead is supposed to summarize the gist of the entire article. 14:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: This is just insufficient and suggests bias in this and other Ripper articles --> "A small minority of modern authors consider it possible that Kelly was not a victim of the same killer as the other Whitechapel murders. At an assumed age of around 25, she was younger than the other canonical victims, all of whom were in their 40s. The mutilations inflicted on her were far more extensive than those on other victims, but she was also the only one killed in the privacy of a room instead of outdoors. Her murder was separated by five weeks from the previous killings". 
Almost nothing connects Kelly to the other 4 Ripper victims. Her age, the fact she was killed indoors and the fact she was attacked the same night as one of the others. To overlook MO - for whatever reason - is to bias the article. That Kelly may well not have been killed by the Ripper ought to be in the lead or, at least, deserves a full paragraph and heading. Most modern Police forces would consider her to be have been killed by someone else.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.10.151.170 (talk) 21:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm mystified by your claim that Kelly was attacked the same night as one of the other victims. She was not. Presumably you've confused her with one of the 'double event' victims, Elizabeth Stride or Catherine Eddowes. Akld guy (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

text: The main thrust of the argument was flawed. Just someone with a strong but baseless opinion. DreamGuy (talk) 18:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  MO 

message: The box labelled "The canonical five Jack the Ripper victims" needs to be moved from the "Murder" section to the top of the page to make the page layout consistent with the pages of the previous four victims. I think it used to be that way, but the entire "Murder" section got moved down at some stage. Akld guy (talk) 05:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, so done as specified. Akld guy (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move box 

message: Has there never been any attempt to check Irish birth records or Welsh census records about her background?  Admittedly Mary Kelly could be a very common name in Ireland. PatGallacher (talk) 01:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many, many attempts made. No person by that name who matches what was known about her has ever been found, though a few authors have tried to identify her as an individual who still appeared in census records after this person's death. (Like everything else in Ripperology, conspiracy theories followed.) The name and/or age she gave to others could have been false. DreamGuy (talk) 18:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Research

message: About the fact that they waited for Warren, but didn't know he had resigned: it is not exact. They were waiting for the bloodhound, under the advice of the doctor Philips. 
http://www.casebook.org/official_documents/inquests/inquest_kelly.html
Sir Charles Warren did resign the day before, but he would still keep his job until a replacement was found.
Sir John Falstaff (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theories 

message: Why's her portrait picture not on her wiki page, yet shows up when you google her wiki
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/0c/47/0f0c477261e0d739b5fb91fcbf0d6863.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.41.2 (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so there's no confusion, that isn't her. It appears to have been used on the cover of a Kindle book about her, but is actually someone else. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 03:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including Mary Jane's Portrait picture? 

message: Sir Melville Macnaghten of the Metropolitan Police Force, who never saw her in the flesh, reported that she was known to have "considerable personal attractions" by the standards of the time.
:Rather an odd comment. Presumably, he meant she was better-looking than most of the 'unfortunates' of Whitechapel, who were bottom of the heap. Valetude (talk) 17:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Standards' 

message: How much time did he need to do what he has done to her body? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 00:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: At least two hours. Now within the article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duration. 

message: For a discussion on Hallie Rubenhold's The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper see Talk:Whitechapel murders#Prostitutes? --John B123 (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallie Rubenhold 

message: I saw at one point in the article, it describes a stout ginger haired man carrying a can of beer, the important part is the latter, as on a separate article on beer cans, it said that "The first commercial beer available in cans began in 1935 in Richmond, Virginia." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drink_can . This in in the US, and hadn't even arrived in Britain yet, so how could he be carrying a beer can? I would be grateful if somebody could provide me with a possible explanation for this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stedes6789 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, aluminium beer cans are 20th-century, but before then beer was often decanted into the customer's own container that they would have brought with them to the vendor. It was not unusual for drinkers to take a jug, pot, tankard or old can to take-away after filling by the publican. DrKay (talk) 15:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspect description 

message: The other victims' coordinates were all incorrect. So as MJK had coordinates for the gate of St Patrick's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Leytonstone for consistency, I've adjusted these to be closer to where she is "reported" to be laid to rest & where her gravestone is.
* Visual Ref from YouTube Struwwelpepper
: The coordinates were on the web. Thanks for rectifying them.--Kieronoldham (talk) 19:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resting place