Talk:Angst

message: The article should mention angst in popular music as it has grown increasing familiar in popular music. However, if this is going to be added please don't add every band you feel is remotely associated with angst the only genres that should be mentioned are grunge as that is the first type of music that comes to mind when thinking of angst in music, nu metal also is known as music consisting of angst related subjects, and possibly emo. Those previously mentioned genres represent teenage angst but angst is also represented in hip-hop music but not so much teenage angst as it is african-american angst, 2Pac would be the first artist to mention when talking about african-american angst.Xx1994xx (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Angst in popular music

message: I had already changed this in this article, but apparently some people won't believe me - a native speaker of Dutch from Antwerp, Belgium - that also in Dutch the word for 'fear' is 'angst' (next to other words such as 'schrik'. ) I will again change this in the article and I will continue to do this in the future. Cheers. Gero. (this previously unsigned comment was written by Gero on 8 November 2005, 10:43)
:It's also "anxiety" without most of the vowels. Is that notable? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 01:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Dutch, English, German and Danish are all of the germanic branch of indo-european languages, it stands to reason that they all have basically the same word for a common emotion. Note also French angoisse, which again obviously has the same roots. 82.32.65.149 16:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But French doesn't belong to the germanic branch although it belongs to the indo-european languages. Therefore the debate is trivial. --82.82.176.247 16:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  French, while mostly Latin has notable amounts of Germanic substrate. If English (as Germanic language) reimports such words from French, things get confusing :-) 88.159.64.210 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree we can denote angst to be a Dutch word (being also a native Dutch speaker myself).  Unlike in English, where angst is loanword, in Dutch it is not a loanword but has always existed in the language and is commonly used.  I do not think this is 'singling out Dutch' as is mentioned in an undo-commit of this page.  You might just as well say that this page now singles out German...  Tifoo (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Angst' is also a Dutch word 

message: The swedish word is "ångest", and is a commonly used word in everyday life. --Striver 10:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: swedish

message: why the heck is dread redirected to angst, dread should have its own page.
: Then make one?
:: You buffoon!
"dread should have its own page."
"Then make one?"
Are you kidding me? Someone make a page about dread. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.197.50.143 (talk) 14:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it is rather difficult to distinguish Angst in Heidegger's sense from Dread when dread is used to describe a profound sense of disquiet that has no specific object. Angst similarly has no object. From conversations with Dutch speakers I know that angst in Dutch (see above) is associated with a transitive emotion: one has angst of/for something. English is not similarly limited and apart from the alienating effect that the use of Angst in English has I think dread is a fairly good equivalent Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 17:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: dread

message: Hi, Angst is personified in our culture by someone besides K. Cobain (who is mentioned in the article): Holden Caulfield (who is not mentioned).  I think he should be mentioned but don't have a reference offhand that indicates him as the typical example. Spebudmak 00:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Holden Caulfield]] 

message: I'm German and the examples at the beginning of the article are incorrect for current German. Maybe they are correct for German some hundred years ago. Today it is: 
* I fear ... = Ich habe Angst vor ...
* I have fear. = Ich habe Angst.
The verb form of Angst is uncommon (Ich ängstige mich vor). The verb form of Furcht (Ich fürchte mich vor) is used, but the noun (Ich habe Furcht) is very uncommon and would seem very strange in a normal sentence. The only usage I know would be ironic by a person who mockingly pretends to fear something. --84.178.108.182 09:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some more thought: The German words for several phobias, include "...angst": "Höhenangst" (acrophobia), Flugangst (fear of flying), Platzangst (claustrophobia and agoraphobia) &c. Those may be "nondirectional", but the article at the moment is just overgeneralizing. The normal way to say "I'm afraid of him." is "Ich habe Angst vor ihm.". So "Angst" can be very directional.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ospalh (talk • contribs) 11:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

text: “Angst” does not imply that there is no threat. --Chricho ∀ (talk) 23:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect German translation 

message: I came to this article being redirected from teenage angst, but there is not a sentence on it. The article only claims that angst usually refers to teenange angst and then goes on to explain all the other uses (art, music) in detail and does not give one single fact on teenage angst. --84.178.108.182 09:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a word on teenage angst 

message: I suggest that any useful information from Existential dread be merged into this article, perhaps with a redirect. This article already discusses Kierkegaard, and does it in a better way than "Existential dread". Anarchia 08:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal - merge from Existential dread

message: "Angst was probably first discussed in relation to contemporary music in the mid to late 1980s and 1990s. In the 1980s "teen angst" was expressed in music to a certain extent in the rise of punk, post punk, and Alternative music with which it is currently more associated, and was probably first used in reference to, the grunge movement and the band Nirvana."
I don't think this is accurate.  Not sure about specific references, but punk had been around since the '70's, and angst in music has been around a very long time (probably more than a century, I remember hearing some incredibly dark/dissonant/expressive/morose opera music in a class in college, which was contemporary with atonal music and the Dada art movement of the early 1900's.  WWI and the flu epidemic cause artists to have a very dark view of the world...), even in rock music, I would think any discussion would have to include not just punk but other early alternative groups like Joy Division, Bauhaus and the Cure, which go back to the 70's. Pink Floyd's music was rather angst as well although it tends to get lumped in with Art Rock/ Prog Rock...  Johnakinjr01 06:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. In fact I'm beginning to wonder if a stronger word than recentism in Wikipedia is necessary sometimes for some edits. LastWeekism? Check Wagner's Tristan, and as far as contemporary music, much of early Dylan was specifically about angst about the Bomb - check out 'Masters of War'. --Straw Cat 13:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Apart from the other bands already mentioned, talking about teenage angst and music and not mentioning The Smiths and Morrissey seems very strange. ! Rps (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angst in Music - not very accurate? 

message: So if Angst is a latin word - please post a link to or a screenshot of a latin dictionary.
If you can not do so, I suggest you change it to "Angst is a german loanword ....".
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=angst : This links was allready posted, why don't you read it?
I would do it myself, but my english is not so good.
--78.51.2.64 (talk) 14:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angst is a latin word???  

message: "However, it is the Jewish artists, Gustav Mahler and Franz Kafka in music and literature that have embraced the theme of angst so highly in their work that they have become synonymous with the term to the point of popular joking and cartoons today."
Mahler died in 1911, Kafka in 1924, well ahead of the Nazis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.64.210 (talk) 22:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mahler and Kafka 

message: Was that article a target for vandalism?
I really doubt that Dr.Phil introduced the word angst and ButtFurcht is also not the german word for fear (it is only Furcht). ~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.83.225 (talk) 20:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: The lede states: "Note that there is no directly corresponding concept in the German language." For one, corresponding to what is unclear (to me, at least); and since German language knows both "Furcht" and "Angst" (as stated in this very lede), I don't really see what this sentence is trying to say. Delete? -- DevSolar (talk) 14:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No corresponding concept in German? 

message: --2003:D3:73CD:C400:1882:AB14:7353:3E6E (talk) 01:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [@introduction] there's also the word "''angoisse''" in french which means as much as a horror kind of fear. 

message: the scream isnt about the person in the image screaming, the person isnt screaming. its about the scream of nature, beauty and the entirety of it all....maybe it is a suitable image anyway but maybe not... 90.129.198.69 (talk) 08:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  munch, not quite right...