Talk:Maryland Terrapins football

message: I don't know how to fix the broken link: ^ This Day in History November 10, 1984: Maryland gets a miracle in Miami, The History Channel, retrieved September 6, 2009.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.143.100.108 (talk) 16:58, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: I had originally written that Maryland was in the "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association" from 1918 to 1921, which later became part of the Southern Conference. This was edited to say "Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association". My original source was the official Terrapins supporter club the Gridiron Network. I did a little google searching, and found many sources saying that Maryland, as well as Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, etc. were part of the "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association", not "Southern"...
Here's another source quoting VT as in the SAIA: "The Hokies would play in the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association from 1907 to 1921, and would eventually play in the Southern Conference of the NCAA Division I-A football from 1922 to 1964, winning the conference title in the 1963 season, recording a record of 8 wins, and 2 losses."
Then the Southern Conference official site calls it the Southern IAA... But that may be biased towards the term Southern versus South Atlantic...?
I wonder if it was orginially called the South Atlantic IAA, and later changed to Southern, or what? It seems odd that several sources, including the official Maryland one, would quote it is as being called the SAIAA.
Can anyone provide a more definitive source/answer either way?
Since I consider the official Maryland site a more definitive source for their history than the SoCon, I am changing that part back. If someone can provide a more definitive reference to the contrary, please do.
Whatever it was called, I have a source stating that Maryland was in it from 1918 until 1921, so I'm changing that part back as well.
Strikehold (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I may have it... This is just speculation but, according to the SoCon source, the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association consisted of 30 members. My assumption is that there may have been some sub-conference level group called South Atlantic, composed of (future ACC) teams like UMD, UVA, VT, NCSU, etc... If anyone could confirm this it would be appreciated.Strikehold (talk) 03:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: *I started to wonder whether there truly ever was a "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association".  If you google there are very few reference to it and they all appear to trace back to something that was likely cut and pasted or blatantly lifted from Wikipedia articles on the schools we both noticed, VT, Virginia, etc., I did find a New York Times article that backed the SIAA belief.  I noticed the Maryland website timeline, but I have to question it's accuracy.(Who knows which athletic dept. intern was given the duty?)  It's very possible, given the title of the NYT headline, that the SIAA went by a shortened name and that the official name, as provided in the body of the article, included "Southern".   http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D00E7D9103FE432A25751C1A9649D946195D6CF or http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9D00E7D9103FE432A25751C1A9649D946195D6CF Mdlawmba (talk) 06:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: ETA: I changed the SIAA article to reflect the information in the NYT article.  It was interesting to see the reason why they actually split: Maryland, along with the other schools, wanted a ban on freshman athletes and wanted to prohibit players from playing professional baseball in the summer. Mdlawmba (talk) 07:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting... I noticed the same thing when searching google on both instances; it's ironic that Wikipedia is such a popular source, that it's actually difficult to independently verify with first-source information on the internet. Anyway, regarding SIAA/SAIAA, you've convinced me. I went ahead and changed it back to SIAA. Thanks for your help. Strikehold (talk) 08:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was doing some further research on the team's early years while working on the list Maryland Terrapins football seasons, and I ran into the same problems I encountered when writing this article. Namely, I was trying to figure out the conference records for the SIAA during Maryland's membership. After a little research, it seems that Maryland was not a member of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA)  (quote: "It then had 14 members. Eight, ... were SIAA members. The other six, [including] Maryland ... were not."), and there does seem to have been a South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association  (the source does not explicitly state Maryland as a member of the SAIAA, but does seem to say UVA, VT, and Johns Hopkins are). This from a Maryland football media guide shows Maryland as a member of the SAIAA in 1920 , which states: "Maryland’s conference affiliations: Atlantic Coast Conference since 1953, Southern Conference from 1921-51 (SC standings not available from 1921-32) and South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1920." I'm going to keep looking into it, but for now I'm going to go ahead and make the changes back to refer to the SAIAA. Strikehold (talk) 01:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Early conference

message: I've finally found conclusive proof that Maryland belonged to an organization called the "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association": A 1921 document from the NCAA clearly shows on page 112: Catholic, Davidson, Georgetown, George Washington, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, VMI, among unknown others as members of the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association. 
If that is still not sufficient, here is a run down of many other sources pointing to the existence of a "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association" (SAIAA), separate from the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA). Any single one of these wouldn't necessarily refute the one NYT article that claims that Maryland and others were SIAA members, but together it begins to look like a strong case against it:
*New York Times confirms in 1913 that Virginia, Va Tech, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, North Carolina, NC State (then A&M), and Washington & Lee were members of an SAIAA: 
*2008 Maryland Football Media Guide places Maryland in SAIAA in 1920: 
*Maryland Gridiron Network, official Maryland booster organization: 
*College Football Data Warehouse: 
*An essay on the LA84 Foundation website which actually describes the schism within the SIAA, and reports that eight SIAA and six non-SIAA members (all of which have previously been described as SAIAA members) formed the Southern Conference: 
*The book Tales from the Terrapins states that Maryland in 1921, beat Washington & Lee the "South Atlantic Champions": 
*The book History of the University of North Carolina confirms UVA, UNC, W&L, JHU, NCSU, and GU as SAIAA members in 1911 and/or 1912: 
*A 1918 Johns Hopkins Alumni Magazine confirms JHU as SAIAA participant: "The outdoor [track] season came to an end on Thanksgiving Day with the fourth annual championship run of the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association" 
*1918 New York Times index: "South Atlantic Intercollegiate Meet- Won by Georgetown" 
*A NCAA document has a mention dating to 1912: 
*The Spalding's Official Football Guide mentions "All-South Atlantic" players many times, this may be a region or a conference affiliation. On page 79, Gallaudet players are mentioned here as being named to the Washington Post All-South Atlantic team. On page 280, UVA and W&L are described as the best teams in the "South Atlantic section" (a seemingly strange choice of words as the region is usually described as the Mid-Atlantic). On page 195, "Fred K. Nielsen [who later becomes a Maryland coach], who won the championship of the South Atlantic section for two years at Georgetown and one year at George Washington." On page 39, it lists the NC A&M/State coach's choice for the "All-South Atlantic Eleven" team: 
*In the book One Thousand New Hampshire Notables, an individual's bio, John William Hobbs Pollard, includes the position of "president South-Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Ass'n" from 1915 up to the book's publication date (1919): 
*A 1915 Catholic University Bulletin states that on "February 23, the Catholic University was admitted to membership on the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association. This association, composed of the larger universities in this section of the country, has for its aim to promote a healthy spirit of rivalry among its members and to establish higher and more uniform standards in intercollegiate sport." 
*The book History of the North Carolina State College of Agriculture and Engineering says on page 115, "the team placed third in the South Atlantic Intercollegiate [track] meet at Baltimore". 
*A 1913 American Physical Education Association document entitled American Physical Education Review: "...made in the past to bring these colleges into an association for the purpose of adopting more uniform rules, but these efforts have failed until last spring, when the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association was organized, with Mr. J.T. England of Baltimore, as president, and the following colleges as members: Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, Virginia Polytechnic Institute [Virginia Tech]..." 
This should hopefully put to rest the assumption that the SAIAA existed only as a typographical error long after the fact. It also serves as a warning not to put too much emphasis on online sources for long-past specialist topics. Strikehold (talk) 22:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proof of S.A.I.A.A. existence

message: I have assessed the article as per its good article nomination and the article has been put on hold for seven days. Please read the review page here to see what issues need to be solved. Thanks. JRA_WestyQld2 Talk 23:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Relisted for 2nd opinion. JRA_WestyQld2 Talk 07:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: NCAA does not recognize College Football championships...They only started to in the 80s and that was for Div I-aa
Why does it say Maryland has "two NCAA recognized NCAA championships"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.175.157 (talk) 01:59, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  national championships 

message: The last sentence stating that Edsall is a "cancer" should be removed. Something well written and sourced about the controversy of the hire, Edsall's ridiculous comments about "turning the program around" after following on the heals of a 9-4 season and bowl win, and how disappointing the 2011 season has been overall would be much more appropriate.  Jurban48 (talk) 16:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edsall era 

message: Relevant deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_December_28#File:Marylandhelmet.png.--GrapedApe (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Image deletion discussion

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Maryland Terrapins football's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "results":
From List of Maryland Terrapins football honorees: Year-By-Year Results (PDF), 2007 Terrapin Football Record Book, University of Maryland, 2007.
From 1940 Stanford Indians football team: Stanford Yearly Results: 1940–1942, College Football Data Warehouse, retrieved July 28, 2009. Archived 2009-07-30.
From Tommy Mont: Year-By-Year Results (PDF), 2007 Terrapin Football Record Book, University of Maryland, 2007, retrieved 16 January 2009.
From 1954 Orange Bowl: Orange Bowl Results, Fedex Orange Bowl Official Site, retrieved January 19, 2009.
Reference named "cfbdw":
From Clark Shaughnessy: All-Time Coaching Records: Clark D. Shaughnessy, College Football Data Warehouse, retrieved August 15, 2010.
From Curley Byrd: All-Time Coach Records by Year: Curley Byrd, College Football Data Warehouse, retrieved July 4, 2010.
From College Football Data Warehouse: College Football Data Warehouse, retrieved August 19, 2010.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:11, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Maryland Terrapins football]] 

message: The article naming convention currently progresses, like:
* 1892 Maryland Aggies football team
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* 1915 Maryland Aggies football team
* 1916 Maryland State Aggies football team
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* 1919 Maryland State Aggies football team
* 1920 Maryland Aggies football team
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* 1931 Maryland Aggies football team
* 1932 Maryland Terrapins football team
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* 2016 Maryland Terrapins football team
Starting with 1892, a case can be made for renaming as "M.A.C", "Maryland Agricultural", or leaving as-is. UW Dawgs (talk) 06:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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