Talk:Anime/Archive 2

message: Ecchi is H.
H is not hentai.
Also, "H" is outdated and the term "ero" is now used.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021212041355re_/home.attbi.com/~kagamix2/H_does_not_mean_hentai/
Some argue that the term "hentai" should be used simply because it's used in America. However, the first key policy states that articles should be written from a neutral point of view. Why, then, is "hentai" still used when most of the bloody world, Asia in particular, uses "H"?
I find it amusing that you suggest "H" is outdated as a term.  It's used practically all the time.  "H" may not stand for hentai in the normal sense, but it most certainly does stand for "hen," or strange.  Though, as any word, "ecchi" has taken on its own particular idiomatic useage.  --Xaliqen 04:36, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just for the record, 

message: :I think cowboy bebop sucked. I think Tenchi Muyo lost my attention after so many transitions and different version. I've been watching anime for the longest time. Why is cowboy bebop even part of the mainpage? I liked the fact that people added astroboy. I was hoping to see a sailormoon picture since it was one of the widely known animes on american tv including on the USA network in the 90s. 
:Cowboy bebop was just on tapes and then came to america on cartoon network or w/e. I think sailormoon has more importance than Bebop mainly because it has more episodes. Bebop makes a person lose interest after seeing the same scenation as, "I'm poor, i need to catch a bad guy." Wow, real great! thanks, you didn't impress me this episode. Atleast with outlaw star gene had to run from pirates or other bad guys but find a cool way to do it while have new characters introduced that actually seemed important. Sailor moon had different plot attributes also. If all of you think Bebop is great, *shakes head* V_V baka jingai... --Cyberman 12:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hateful sentence 

message: *I was looking at the current online draft version (September 2003) of the Oxford English Dictionary, when I came upon something shocking. Observe their listing for the etymology of the word 'anime': Forms: 19- anime, animé. Plural unchanged. [< Japanese anime < French animé (in dessin animé animation, cartoon (1935 or earlier) < dessin drawing (see DESIGN n.) + animé, participial adjective < animer to animate: see ANIMATE v.).]. I suppose we finally have found a reliable source that supports the French etymology. (See the discussion at the top of the page.) It is a draft version, but I think it is still worth a comment. Josh 05:06, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
The OED is not free of mistakes, and they are wrong in this citation.--Outis 08:02, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouncation 

message: The article for Wonderful Days describes its subject as "a Korean anime science fiction film". I'm wondering if I should change this to "a Korean animated science fiction film" -- is anime necessarily Japanese? Is it oxymoronic to speak of "Korean anime" (or "British anime", "South African anime", etc?) jdb ❋ (talk) 07:09, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think to most people, anime isn't art, it's cartoons for kids, made in japan. The current 'international anime' section, is quite frankly, confusing. If we want to address the issue properly, like in the Manga#International_Influence section. As for a personal opinion of the current wave of american anime imitations, I think pastiche has limited scope - if the US animation industry wants to get back on track, they should try doing new and interesting things again rather than just making poor copies. --zippedmartin 13:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Xaliqen on that since, I've seen many different types of anime. American, German, Korean, Chinese, and even vietamese. Japan is not the only person who creates anime, but they just started it and now everyone that enjoys anime, trys and sometimes is a succes in making more anime shows. Also I've talked to many anime fans, from all over the globe which means that anime has now become an international phenomenon. --Sumizome_queenofdarkness 10:43, 02 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also I don't believe anime is just for kids  I mean i know that there are many kid shows that involve anime which is true. Most anime though, I think are meant for more for teens and adults. Like for instance "Appleseed", "Final fanatasy", or even "Fushigi Yugi" --Sumizome_queenofdarkness 10:43, 02 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Japanese anime? 

message: Part of the article reads like a list...  which is fine, but... it seems a bit excessive. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:56, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific about which sections are bothering you?  If you're talking about the Notable Works section, we're already discussing that in the topic above.  As for the other lists, they do seem to be getting rather lengthy.  One possible solution may be to create a seperate article centered around anime studios and publishers worldwide.  --Xaliqen 15:44, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think your edits are good and certainly a step in the right direction.  I agree with your idea about doing similar things for the other lists.  --Xaliqen 05:14, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

text: As long as a List of lists page is not needed it's all good. Philip Nilsson 20:13, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be more specific, the "Types of anime" could be broken into subsections and link to the main article.  The "Genres" section could be more elaborated as several paragraphs rather than a list.  The "Notable names in anime" section seems to be fine... but again, having it as a list bullet format seems more of a "list" than anything. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:56, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article reads like a list 

message: I think this should really be a seperate article at this point.  Rather than listing a bunch of examples of anime and anime-influenced works made outside of Japan, an article could be more in depth.  As it stands, I think the list of International Anime only adds complexity and size to the already-too-large lists of anime.  It's safe to say that, when most people visit the anime article at this point, they're looking for anime made in Japan.  I propose cutting this section out of the current article and creating a new "International anime" article that can go into greater depth on the subject-matter.  Perhaps there could be a link to the article somewhere close to the current list section.  Though I believe that anime will, at some point, become a truly international phenomenon, the fact of the matter is that, when people speak of anime today, they are speaking of anime that is produced in Japan.  --Xaliqen 23:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I put my thoughts on the matter up in 'Non-Japanese anime?', really I think what's needed is a paragraph of sensible text rather than a list of (mostly american) imitations. But as I'm somewhat bias in this matter, I think I should stay well away from actually writing it. --zippedmartin 17:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I don't think I'm the best person to write it either.  I also think anyone who wants to talk about anime outside of Japan should begin in Korea and not America.  Still, my area of knowledge extends primarily to Japanese anime.  --Xaliqen 00:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  International anime section (now removed) 

message: To explain my earlier edits, I added a macron to the "kodomo" words in the article because it seemed like the right thing to do. Only later is that I noticed that's not the way the romanization is done. That last syllable is indeed stronger, but it's not a oo/ou case. I had forgotten that. I would have corrected that today, but someone did it first. Sorry.
As for adding Howl's Moving Castle to the Ghibli category, it seemed perfect fine to me. I didn't knew that everything added to "Popular recent anime" has no place on their correct category. I actually think that should be re-thought. Doesn't make much sense to me, and I think that everyone to sees that has an uncontrollable urge to add those animes to the categories they belong, instead of just that one.--Kaonashi 20:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, the whole idea of the "Popular recent anime" section has been called into question.  I stand by my sentiments that, in order to truly be notable, an anime must find its place in history and this really takes a few years to happen.  Despite the fact that Howl's Moving Castle is a Ghibli work and almost every Ghibli film ends up being notable in some way, I believe it should still go through the process like all of the other titles.  It's the same idea of listing notable media under any topic.  It would be inappropriate to add "War of the Worlds," for instance, to a list of notable movies just a year after it's been released.  This is because it will really not have found its place in film history by then.  However, listing it under a "popular recent movie" category would most likely be fine.  In any event, that's my perspective.  --Xaliqen 19:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kodomo" and ''Howl's Moving Caste'' 

message: Hi! I changed the article under "Terminology" a little, saying that in Japan, manga refers ONLY to comics. I have lived in Japan for eight years, so I am sure the information is correct.
* The term manga is used primarily for the print medium, but it has been historically used to describe animation as well. For example, the very first Japanese animated television series was 1962's Fairy Tale Manga Calendar. Even now, some in the older generations of Japan still refer to Disney films as manga because the earliest Disney animated films and the term manga predate the Japanese use of the terms "anime" and "comic." This is roughly similar to how animation was initially called "cartoons" in English after their printed predecessors (and are still called that today). Egan Loo 20:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Little Change 

message: :This is mostly crap dont listen to most of it they dont know what they are talking about. one minor thing is that transformers is the only true american made anime called manga
I removed the above addition. While the first sentence is accurate, it's not very constructive. --zippedmartin 00:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoom