Talk:The Holocaust in Poland

message: Elinruby (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related noticeboard activity 

message: The box listing Archives for this page is missing the links to Talk:The Holocaust in Poland/Archives/2023/February, Talk:The Holocaust in Poland/Archives/2023/March, Talk:The Holocaust in Poland/Archives/2023/May, and Talk:The Holocaust in Poland/Archives/2023/June. I can't see how to fix it, so will ask around to see if anyone else does. DuncanHill (talk) 20:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It has now been fixed. DuncanHill (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @DuncanHill, tip for the future: please avoid discussion forks. After starting a discussion here, it would have been better to link to here (Talk:The Holocaust in Poland#Archives missing from box) at the village pump discussion or the other way around. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives missing from box 

message: While it's possible that we are looking at different versions of the book, the text is not on the cited pages of the 2003 edition. Oddly, the one I'm looking at does discuss Poland on these pages, but still does not support the text, which makes me wonder what is going on. Could you provide quotes from the source? I am not entirely sure Weimar Republic policies are relevant to discuss, but that is secondary to the verifiability issue. (t · c) buidhe 17:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Various laws of interwar Germany aimed at Polish Jews are discussed by Hilberg on pages 188-189. It's weird that you can't find them. Marcelus (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, can you provide a quote from the source that supports the content? (t · c) buidhe 01:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A second factor was the German perception of Polish Jewry. These Jews were at the bottom for some time. They had been singled out and targeted repeatedly before the war. In recent memory were the thousands who had been transported from Germany to the Polish frontier in 1938. Fifteen years earlier individual Jews holding Polish citizenship had been deported as undesirable by the Bavarian Government. Still earlier, on April 23, 1918, Polish Jews who were unskilled laborers and who had sought entry into Germany’s eastern provinces were banned by the Prussian Interior Ministry on the ground that they were not interested in work but immigration, and that they were morally unreliable as well as physically unclean, carrying typhus to Germany. Armed with such conceptualizations, the Nazi regime in Poland was less considerate and more drastic than in Germany itself. Typically, no concessions were made to Polish Jews who had been veterans of the German or Austro-Hungarian armies in the First World War. There was little hesitation to produce housing densities for Polish Jews that were far higher than those for German Jews, or to lower food rations for Jews in Poland below those allowed for Jews in Germany. Moreover, in Poland, unlike Germany, there was no need for precautions whenever anti-Jewish measures could have painful repercussions for the non-Jewish population. There was no imperative to be mindful of the welfare of Poles. Here you go. Marcelus (talk) 10:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for posting this. Nevertheless, it does not fix all of my concern about verification. Neither Hilberg nor the other source cited say that Polish Jews generally had a lower status than other eastern Jews; according to the quote, it was only true "for some time" (when?), a qualification missing in your text. By 1941 it was clearly Soviet Jews from east of the 1939 border who were considered "worst". (t · c) buidhe 01:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A second factor was the German perception of Polish Jewry. These Jews were at the bottom for some time.  Marcelus (talk) 07:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed verification  

message: The article says: "Many Jews tried to escape, but surviving in hiding was very difficult due to factors such as the lack of money to pay helpers and the risk of denunciation."  Is that really how it's called - denunciation? I'm having trouble thinking of an alternate but it just doesn't seem right to be using this without qualification. Ben Azura (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Risk of denunciation 

message: Text copied from Marceli Godlewski to the Holocaust in Poland.  See former article's history for a list of contributors.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution