Talk:Herr Mannelig

message: Is this really a medieval song? I thought there was no evidence for that. The earliest source I know is from 1877, in this  collection  or more specifically the first song in the PDF file of volume 1 (). It lists both melody and text (Bergatrollets frieri). There is a text variant (Skogsjungfruns frieri) in volume 3 of the same collection (). --130.217.240.32 (talk) 05:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: swedish wikipedia states here that what is commonly referred to as medeltida ballader (medieval ballads) often comes from a later period. don't know about english use of the term though. k kisses 22:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

message: Hi from Sweden. I noted that the English translation is more different from the original text than necessary, and thus it isn't very useful for study/reference. Also, is the translation originally from e.g. a CD booklet, such as that of Garmarna's album Guds spelemän? If so, do any copyright issues arise?
In any case, I made a new translation, to which I added a few remarks in brackets. I suppose the text comes out awkward in English, but I tried to convey the original as closely as possible, so please avoid changing it unless it really, really is needed. The change from "you" to "thou" is intentional, since the troll speaks with in the polite plural and the young man doesn't. The previously used translation is this: 
 
   Early one morning before the sun did rise
    And the birds sang their sweet song
    The mountain troll proposed to the fair squire
    She had a false deceitful tongue
    Sir Mannelig, Sir Mannelig won't you marry me
    For all that I'll gladly give you
    You may answer only yes or no
    Will you do so or no
    To you I will give the twelve great steeds
    That graze in a shady grove
    Never has a saddle been mounted on their backs
    Nor had a bit in their mouths
    To you I will give the twelve fine mills
    That stand between Tillo and Terno
    The mill stones are made of the reddest brass
    And the wheels are silver-laden
    To you I will give the gilded sword
    That jingles from fifteen gold rings
    And strike with it in battle as you will
    On the battlefield you will conquer
    To you I will give a brand new shirt
    The lustrous best for to wear
    It is not sewn with needle or thread
    But crocheted of the whitest silk
    Gifts such as these I would gladly receive
    If you were a Christian woman
    But I know you are the worst mountain troll
    From the spawn of the Neck and the devil
    The mountain troll ran out the door
    She wailed and she shrieked so loudly
    "Had I gotten that handsome squire
    From my torment I would be free now"
    Sir Mannelig, Sir Mannelig won't you marry me
    For all that I'll gladly give you
    You may answer only yes or no
    Will you do so or no 
— 77.105.196.184 (talk) 10:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The guideline is that the full lyrics go to :wikisource and should not appear here. Translations posted there need to be both published and in the public domain. Excerpts quoted in the context of the discussion in the article body can be given ad-hoc translations if necessary, within the scope of discussing the song based on published references (i.e. avoiding WP:SYNTH). --dab (𒁳) 08:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation 

message: Instead of treating a random version of a folksong as recorded in 1877, it would be much more WP:ENCyclopedic to make this about the "undines" topos in folklore, covering Melusine, Paracelsus, Undine and derived Romantic compositions as well as their reflection in folklore. 
The 1877 version is particularly atypical because of the "mountain troll", as all other versions seem to have either a wood-nymph or (most often) a water-nymph.  --dab (𒁳) 14:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This article is about the Swedish folk song "Herr Mannelig," which has become a staple of the Neofolk/Neomedieval music genre and is certainly notable enough to warrant its own article. There is a separate article about undines; that article deals with everything you are talking about here and more. There is not even an undine in the song "Herr Mannelig"; the song is about a "mountain troll," not an aquatic spirit. --Katolophyromai (talk) 20:58, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope