Talk:Avatar (Ultima)

message: The virtue system has received plenty of coverage ever since Ultima 4 came out.  The Avatar is a key part of that.  There are 8,170,000 results when I Google for "Avatar" and "Ultima" together.  Eight million!  He is mentioned not just in reviews of the Ultima games, manga, and anime, but also as a notable character on his own.   Dream Focus 19:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to actually use some of them in that case. Notability is not established by the number of hits in Google. Notability stems from using reliable sources to build development and reception sections that clearly break away from the main topic. TTN (talk) 20:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Notability is determined by the consensus of whoever is around at the time to comment.  The guidelines are suggestions, to be ignored in favor of common sense.  Common sense says that millions of people have played the games, and the character was seen as notable enough to make cameo appearances in other games made by other companies, plus into various merchandise, then it is notable.  Dream Focus 17:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eight million hits for "Avatar" and "Ultima" and some of them are notable surely 

message: I used Google scholarly search for the words "Avatar" and "Ultima" and then eliminated all the ones about Ultima Onilne.  Probably some good ones that mention Ultima Online as well, but I thought the results looked better without it.  I added one reference to a publication on the study of the Avatar and his path.  Dream Focus 19:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over a thousand scholarly articles to look through about the Avatar 

message: Consensus was against merging.  The guy trying to put a redirect here, was the one who sent it to AFD, it closing as Keep.  Dream Focus 17:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: AfD said keep without affecting the merge discussion. In other words the closing editor felt deleting the article was inappropriate. A redirect is a different matter.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Why did you move the discussion from the character list to here?Tintor2 (talk) 17:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't.  I just wanted to mention my protests to him trying to redirect it, commenting on the article's recent change.  The discussion should continue over there.  And please, state your opinions.  The more feedback, the better.  Dream Focus 18:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  no redirect, consensus in merger discussion was no consensus to merge, plus AFD said keep 

message: *Is there any reason to have this tag there?  Does this encourage anyone to go and write a longer lead?  It just junks up the article, so I see no point in having it.  Also the lead is fine, there no reason for it to be any longer for something like this.  Opinions please.  Should the tag be REMOVED or NOT.  Dream Focus 15:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any possible chance that anyone will read that tag and act on it?  These sorts of tags get tossed up at times, and years later, no one has done anything but ignore them.  Dream Focus 17:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

text: It is a matter of opinion where some useless tag should be up there or not. There are thousands of Wikipedia pages that have that useless tag on them.  It doesn't encourage anyone to do anything but ignore it. Also, you just added another useless tag  claiming a section is unsourced, when obviously the primary sources for this sort of thing are fine, there no reason to doubt it.  Dream Focus 17:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Its been there since (August 2012) and its May 2018 now.  No one can think of a way to enlarge it, or is ever going to do so, so the tag has no reason to be there. Other articles have short leads when there is nothing that needs to be added to them.  I'm removing it. Dream Focus 02:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  tag up top complaining about the lead is longer than the lead 

message: The Avatar wasn't really the stranger until Ultima V.
http://www.atarimania.com/st/boxes/hi_res/ultima_v_-_warriors_of_destiny_origin_systems_i_5.jpg
As opposed to the Ultima IV manual:
http://c64sets.com/details_db.html?id=3152&t=Ultima%20IV:%20Quest%20of%20the%20Avatar&i=History%20of%20Britannia%20page%201
http://c64sets.com/details_db.html?id=3153
In ultima IV it actually comes across as multiple different people rising up to fight evil.  I understand the ret-conning that took place, but it's slightly inaccurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.83.213.154 (talk) 15:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About being the stranger 

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