Talk:Táhirih

message: Amir, I gave a source in the edit summary: There is an account of the wife of the Kalantar cited on p. 62 of the Dawn-Breakers, the narrative of Nabíl-i-Zarandí, a Bábí and then Bahá'í. He took detailed accounts, verifying and citing his sources, spanning the  period of Bábí history to Bahá'u'lláh's passing. You can read the book translated into English with notations here. Brettz9 22:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am well familiar with the "history" of Bahaism via the poems of Nabil Zarandi.  He was Baha's "court poet" (sort of like the "malak-ul-shu'ara"!!!) LOL ... and in Bahai "culture" he is also considered one of the "historians"!! Anyway, if you consider such works to be reliable and respectable sources, good luck to you, cuz you're gonna need it.  --Amir 00:38, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

message: Please note the Tahirih Thealogy article has been nominated for deletion Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tahirih_Thealogy. Paul foord 02:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tahirih Thealogy AfD 

message: didnt tahirih became a babi because of dream about the bab? - --Cyprus2k1 10:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes see the Dawn-breakers pg 82 and here. -- Jeff3000 14:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dream? 

message: Recently MARussellPESE removed a German language publication reference about Tahirih from the main articla on the basis that "Foreign language references are strongly disouraged". For an alleged world citizen to be concerned about things "foreign" is very peculiar for a professed Baha'i.
However the guidelines for Wikipedia state "Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to other language sources of equal caliber. However, do give references in other languages where appropriate. If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it"
The problem for MARussellPESE is that Soraya Adambakan's, study Qurrat al-’Ayn. Eine Studie der religiösen und gesellschaftlichen Folgen ihres Wirkens, is the most important study ever published about Tahirih and stands head and shoulders above anything else ever previously published and there is therefore nothing else of equal caliber (pending perhaps  Abbas Amanat's forthcoming study on Tahirih, next year). Not only that but the author is not a Baha'i, rather she is Muslim and undertook much of the research in Iran and used extensively primary archival materials. 
However the whole Wikipedia article is rather dull and inadequate and leaving out this reference, and leaving in rather weak ones like Martha Root and Nakhjavani's novel is probably never going to bring it to life. (Steve Cooney)
:May well be. But WP's standards are rather high and foreign language sources can't be verified by most editors. All we have, for the moment, on the authenticity of this is your assertion. We look over each others' shoulders here, so if we can't get at least another editor to confirm this, then it has to stay out. MARussellPESE (talk) 23:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign sources? 

message: it says her birthdate is uncertain, but both Nabil Azam and Shoghi Effendi say its 1817?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.127.119 (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  birthdate 

message: in the article it says 
brother, Mulla Muhammad-Taqi Baraghani, was also a mujtahid
it was her PATERNAL UNCLE who was Hájí Mullá Muhammad-Taqí Baraghání  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.88.158 (talk) 15:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong information 

message: in the article it says that her husband was called Muhammad ibn Muhammad Taqi , however in Persian the term "ibn" is not used. His name was Mullá Muhammad Baragháni. Also Táhirih had two sons and one daughter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melaniegreyton (talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  her family 

message: Hi I also agree with many of the comments about incorrections so I read some non-Bahá'í and Bahá'í texts of Tahirih. I then added the minor corrections and added some refrences. Thanks --Lizzie1988 (talk) 13:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change 

message: The article reads  Báb, who supported her position, named her the Pure, Táhirih. Was it not Bahá'u'lláh who actually named her Táhirih? She was known before that as "Qurrat'ul-'Ayn", that is the reason why Azalis do not call her Táhirih. --Lizzie1988 (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name  

message: Since this is a top article, I'd say one thing that should definitely be added is a section on Tahirih's poetry. I'd assume Browne's  Literary History of Persia, and the books Poetry of Tahirih (Hatcher and Hemmat), Tahirih: A Portrait In Poetry - Selected Poems of Qurratu'l-'Ayn (Banani), and Adam's Wish: Unknown Poetry of Tahirih (Hatcher and Hemmat) could be used as reliable academic sources. - Parsa (talk) 01:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetry 

message: Is one of these Sites a reliable source for her picture: bahaiviews.blogspot, tahireh.tripod.com, tahireh.tripod.com, bahaiperspectives.com, h-net.org? -- JCIV (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The only one that comes close is h-net.org, and the caption reads, "supposed likeness of Tahirih". Cuñado ☼ - Talk 21:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuñado I have added the following caption at Wikimedia Commons: Persian woman, computer generated image based on a drawing by A. Marie, after a photograph by Jane Dieulafoy, in "La Perse, La Chaldée et la Susiane", 1887, p.595. I have removed the image now, as it is being used in many places as if it is actually a portrait of Táhirih, while this is not possible, because the original photograph was made in the early 1880s, while Táhirih died in 1852. Wiki-uk (talk) 18:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: The following names/titles are currently missing. Could someone please check the sources and add these?
*Fatima Umm-Salamih 
*Zarrin-Taj (Crown of Gold) 
*Zakiyyih (Virtuous)
Wiki-uk (talk) 21:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles and names 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Táhirih's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "root":
From Bahá'í Faith by country: 
From Bahá'í Faith in Guyana: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Táhirih]] 

message: This might be of some interest:
On Jan 2nd, 1913 `Abdu'l-Bahá spoke on women's suffrage to the Women's Freedom League - part of his address and print coverage of his talk noted his and prior mentions of Táhirih (or Qurratu'l-`Ayn) to the organization.  ((just insert ref tags if it's wanted as is.Smkolins (talk) 12:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  places her story was told 

message: Hi,
Can someone show men where in the source you got this sentence from?(cannot find any similar statement in my search of the book content)
"but it is generally believed that these allegations were unconvincing and created to undermine her position and influence.[3]"
--69.232.79.85 (talk) 03:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The footnote goes to -   I would suggest p. 8 and p. 53 perhaps 222 speak to this.Smkolins (talk) 03:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I checked all those pages you said. There was no mention of Tahirih I am afraid.--69.232.79.85 (talk) 14:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest reading the general book. There may be a problem of looking too closely at phrasing vs what the book says. The whole thing is from one author and she is making a complex of arguments, including this one to my reading, across many pages. The pages I pointed to speak to the issue - and Tahirih is mentioned in the earlier sections as well and thus speaks to some of the pages I noted too. Perhaps more coming on that front too. A review of scholarly literature finds a clear theme of Tahirih's story mentioned in the context of the struggles of and challenges brought against women in Iranian society when they step out of prescribed roles. Smkolins (talk) 03:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: allegations

message: Aren't we at least at a "B" yet? Anyone else got a suggestion where we're at in it's development? Smkolins (talk) 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Start-Class" 

message: These books are too old to be used here and rather primary sources:
* ^ `Abdu'l-Bahá (1891). Browne, E.G. (Tr.), ed. A Traveller's Narrative: Written to illustrate the episode of the Bab. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. pp. (See Browne's "Introduction" and "Notes", esp. "Note W".).
* ^ Browne, Edward Granville (1927) [1893, Messrs A & C Black Ltd]. A Year Amongst the Persians - Impressions as to the Life, Character, & Thought of the People of Persia - Received during Twelve Months' Residence in that Country in the Year 1887-1888. Cambridge University Press.
--Kazemita1 (talk) 01:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources written by [[Edward Granville Browne]] 

message: *  --Smkolins (talk) 19:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  another source found 

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