Talk:Prevenient grace

message: The opening paragraph seems to have received too much cut & paste, and not enough proofreading.  Too much is implied, and it's very sloppy with history:
Augustin never said anything about Prevenient grace.  At most Prevenient grace has very distant roots in some of what Augustin wrote about, in Augustin's early days, which he later recanted.  Next, Arminian Christians were not influenced by the theology of John Wesley, it's the other way around--Arminius was 200 years before Wesley...and Wesley didn't teach Arminianism, Wesley modified Arminianism.--LanceHaverkamp 11:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening Paragraph has Problems

message: IMHO, the Peer Review should involve more than beefing up the Opposition section.  The whole article seems a little POV to me rather than encyclopedic.  I mean, what does an obscure quote from a C. S. Lewis novel have to do with a factual presentation?  I have also seen recommendations on other articles to limit "lengthy quotes".  Is that something that should be looked at here too?
And regarding Flex's comment (above) about the use of the term "prevenient" in different senses by Reformed and Wesleyan, that should be part of the NPOV presentation of the subject, not relegated to the Opposition section as I recently suggested.  Jim Ellis 15:55, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
:You make good points. I think, however, that it is safe to keep the Reformed use of prevenient grace in the opposition section since it's uncommon (but not unheard of) among us, but very common among Methodists. Perhaps that's because the Reformed want to avoid confusing their doctrine with that of the Wesleyans by using the same term for a different concept. --Flex 16:01, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
::The peer review has (to date) resulted in several suggestions, which I hope to get to at some point in the coming weeks (I'm on vacation right now, and will be going camping in a few days, so my "wiki-time" will be infrequent until Aug. 8 or so).  Among the suggestions were to add more to "The Doctrine in other sources" (one isn't a lot) and to add to the opposing views quotes from notable theologians, "firming it up" a bit.  KHM03 23:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review? 

message: This is just a note that resistible grace redirects here. I don't know if it's the same thing as prevenient grace, but someone who knows the subject might want to include the term in the article. Wmahan. 05:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that the two terms are not truly synonymous (at least outside of Wesleyan circles), but I would defer to anyone more knowledgable. --Flex 12:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Resistible grace

message: I disagree with the section "The Doctrine in Other Sources", that the C.S. Lewis quote teaches prevenient grace.  It could just as easily be interpreted as teaching irresistible grace.  I suggest the section be deleted. -KE
:* I agree with KE and would also like to point out that this quote is taken out of context and also from a work of fiction; even if the quote is viewed allegorically it can still be viewed either way. — James.S (talk • contribs • site=en.wikipedia.org count) 04:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  out of place CS Lewis quote 

message: The intro section was too long and detailed.  Much of this section was about defining the term.  I've therefore created a new first section called "Definition" and moved the defining statements here, keeping in the intro the first paragraph, and another paragraph from the intro which describes basically what the term means.
I haven't changed any of the actual text, so the flow may benefit from minor changes...?   Bernard S. Jansen 04:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Could we get some more boxes on this page? There's still too much room for the actual article. hahaha
--Victoria h (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge side by side boxes 

message: I think there should be a section about Augustine's theology on prevenient grace. JSilvanus (talk) 11:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Augustine 

message: I'm not quite sure on the Scripture quotes used in the "In Scriptures" section. Some of these are actually commonly-used Scriptures used to support Calvinistic theology, as opposed to Arminianism. I am an Arminian who was going to use some Scriptures to back up my belief of prevenient grace to a Calvinist friend... but I can't really see the direction of some of these passages.
It would be great if there were some Scriptures that Jacobus Arminius and John Wesley used in their writings. Both of these produced a great deal of work, and I am sure that they used Scriptural backing for this doctrine. As of right now, I am not sure why some of these passages were chosen and others were not. ... ... and I almost wonder if some insidious Calvinist joke has been played on us all... :) Sir Ian (talk) 04:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem here is that the article is simply asserting that these passages support the doctrine. This is a improper synthesis, a form of original research, which is contrary to Wikipedia policy. This section MUST cite sources that claim these passages as supporting the doctrine. Hairy Dude (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scripture Quotations 

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