Talk:Quneitra Governorate

message: I have seen the Syrian Civil War Towns and Cities and some villages are controled by JAN and FSA. Especially the Qun Crossing, so i dont think we should claim its under SAA control.200.48.214.19 (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure 100% of Quneitra (not IDF held) is on SAA hands. 

message: Quneitra in Syria (sovereign+claimed).svg|A: Eastern Quneitra in red, Israeli held Golan heights in red
Quneitra_in_Syria_(sovereign_only)_(%2BGolan_hatched).svg|B: Eastern Quneitra in red, Israeli held Golan heights hatched grey
Quneitra in Syria (de-facto) (buffer and claims hatched) (+Golan hatched).svg|C: Eastern Quneitra in red, Israeli held Golan heights hatched red-grey, buffer zone in pink
Which map should be used in the infobox?Icewhiz (talk) 03:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The intent of the map is to show the boundaries of the governorate and not only the part controlled by Syria. Official UN Map shows clearly that the "B" map is inaccurate, misleading to the reader, and straight out false. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if we were tk omit the Israeli held Golan it would be far from false, however B clearly has the Israeli held Golan hatched in grey - marking the claim.Icewhiz (talk) 03:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But the "B" map doesn't show the governorates accurate boundary. See this UN Map: So the reader seeing the "B" map would have no idea that the israeli-occupied part is part of the Quneitra Governorate.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the right map for 2018, if you like to describe governorate borders brief history during mid-1960s - you can show the map from those times. Note that the borders you want to show as "correct" were in fact de-facto applied for a very short period of time 1964 (creation of Quneitra governorate) to 1967 (Israel conquered 2/3 of Quneitra). Since 1967 to 2011, Quneitra governorate borders had been de-facto as shown in B; during the Syrian War, the Ba'athist government had very limited control, though now could retake most of Quneitra and returning it to pre-2011 status.GreyShark (dibra) 09:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not the right map for 2018 because the boundary's of the governorate haven't changed since 1967. See this Official UN Map from April 2012:  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:46, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

text: The C map:, shows the entire Quneitra Governorate so the reader can see what the entire boundary of it is, and what is controlled by Syria and what is occupied by Israel, would you accept it? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

text: In both B and C the Israeli held portion is shaded. C has the buffer zone in a different color. Click on them to see this full screen more clearly.Icewhiz (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know. I was suggesting to use what appears to be something approaching the standard on Wikipedia for mapping disputed areas. Hatching usually suggests "unknown" or actively militarily contested areas, which currently isn't the case in the governorate. --Inops (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC on map version 

message: * B or C - While Syria claims the portion in the Israeli held Golan heights, it has not been in control of this territory for the past 51 years. Presenting the claimed portion in the same manner as the actually administered portions is misleading to the reader.Icewhiz (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The intent of the map is to show the boundaries of the governorate and not only the part controlled by Syria. Official UN Map shows clearly that the "B" map is inaccurate, misleading to the reader, and straight out false. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if we were tk omit the Israeli held Golan it would be far from false, however B clearly has the Israeli held Golan hatched in grey - marking the claim.Icewhiz (talk) 03:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But the "B" map doesn't show the governorates accurate boundary. See this UN Map: So the reader seeing the "B" map would have no idea that the israeli-occupied part is part of the Quneitra Governorate.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the right map for 2018, if you like to describe governorate borders brief history during mid-1960s - you can show the map from those times. Note that the borders you want to show as "correct" were in fact de-facto applied for a very short period of time 1964 (creation of Quneitra governorate) to 1967 (Israel conquered 2/3 of Quneitra). Since 1967 to 2011, Quneitra governorate borders had been de-facto as shown in B; during the Syrian War, the Ba'athist government had very limited control, though now could retake most of Quneitra and returning it to pre-2011 status.GreyShark (dibra) 09:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not the right map for 2018 because the boundary's of the governorate haven't changed since 1967. See this Official UN Map from April 2012:  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:46, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

text: The C map:, shows the entire Quneitra Governorate so the reader can see what the entire boundary of it is, and what is controlled by Syria and what is occupied by Israel, would you accept it? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: Could a lighter shade of red not denote the area Israel occupies, with a key used below the map? Something like what we do with Cyprus would make it clear that Syria considers it integral to the governorate, but it's not under their control. Hatching could perhaps be used to denote the buffer zone. --Inops (talk) 12:46, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In both B and C the Israeli held portion is shaded. C has the buffer zone in a different color. Click on them to see this full screen more clearly.Icewhiz (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know. I was suggesting to use what appears to be something approaching the standard on Wikipedia for mapping disputed areas. Hatching usually suggests "unknown" or actively militarily contested areas, which currently isn't the case in the governorate. --Inops (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: please fill in a source for the "CatchWord" ref. -- Fyrael (talk) 20:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken ref