Talk:Witches (Discworld)

message: Should we redirect the 3 witch links to this page? Evercat 22:28, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Links?

message: I feel that it needs to do a better job of explaining Magrat's pronounciation. I have no idea about the distinction between "Magg-rat", "Maggrat", and "Magrat." --Yar Kramer 21:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's TRUE! Vitriol 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magrat 

message: I think Agnes and Tiff deserve their own entries. Anyone else? Daibhid C
: Since previously seperated pages are being merged with no discussion, I take it that's a no... Daibhid C 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the audio. I'm pretty sure Tony Robinson pronnounces it wrongly.Daibhid C 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting the page?

message: Was she actually a vampire at the end of Carpe Jugulum? I seem to remember it being implied (she could only visit that chap after dark), but I don't think it's been mentioned since. --Mister Six 18:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agnes Nitt 

message: Which book is that reference from?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Witches Abroad,  - Alec.brady 18:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Voodoo

message: I've pulled this out:
There is also a vague hint in the books that the two are related, however Esme reveals her grandmother's name was Alison in Carpe Jugulum).  Her name derives from the mythical Black Annis, a cannibalistic hag from Leicestershire, who was often used as a threat to children to behave, though it may also be a parody on the names of two heavy metal bands Black Sabbath and Alice Cooper in contraction.
Since it is stated in The New Discworld Companion that Alison Weatherwax may be alive, and some have speculated that Black Aliss is immortal (Because she is so powerful), there has been speculation that Black Aliss, aka Alison Weatherwax, is still alive and will be featuring in I Shall Wear Midnight. This is, however, dubious at best.
Rampant speculation, at one point contradicting the books (we know Aliss Demurage is dead).
Daibhid C (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Aliss is ''NOT'' Alison Weatherwax

message: How come lesser characters, such as Twoflower(!), have their own pages, but Magrat is stuck sharing? Also, there are already separate pages for Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg, so this page is redundant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.188.81 (talk) 21:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

message: I reverted a host of changes Serendipodous made to the Discworld Witches page.  I'm sure it seemed like Original Research to him/her, and, in truth, I was wavering on whether or not it was OR myself when I added the info, but I decided it wasn't, and here's why:
* In A Hat Full of Sky, towards the beginning, when Tiffany is discussing heading to the mountains for her training, she mentions her prowess with cheese and how every witch finds it convenient to have a known non-supernatural talent.  The exact quote: "You weren't allowed to charge money for the witching, so all witches did some other job as well".  So Glenda has that quality.  Throughout all of the Witch books and the Tiffany books, it is often talked about that the great majority of witchcraft is helping those who can't help themselves, being on the borders, etc, etc.  So Glenda has that quality.  Granny Aching's inclusion as a witch, by both the wikipedia editors and Pratchett himself(through Granny Weatherwax) and, in-universe, Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg, shows that you don't have to self-identify as a witch to be a witch.  So Glenda has that quality.  In the Tiffany books, second thoughts and first sight are described as witchly qualities.  In Unseen Academicals, Glenda often thinks about how she's thinking, particularly with the whole crab bucket theme(Second thoughts), and clearly sees only what is there/can see through illusion, as shown most clearly by her reaction to the fashion industry(First sight).  So Glenda has that quality.  Finally, both Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax(and possibly others, I'm too lazy to look), that are on the Discworld Witches page have their own articles as well, so that's not a valid argument for excluding Glenda, especially since her article doesn't mention that she's a non-self-identified witch.
* Tiffany remarks, in I Shall Wear Midnight, how stressing it is that her steading includes the entire chalk.  Letitia is the very definition of a maiden.  Amber's gift of understanding qualifies her as the mother archetype.  That only leaves one witch and one role, and given the many parallels drawn between Granny and Tiffany throughout the Tiffany books, it's not OR to describe her as the same role in the coven as Granny has in the Lancre coven.  Lastly,jJust because the group of chalk witches is not officially a coven(meaning by Pratchett's directly designating them one) doesn't mean they're not a coven in fact(meaning coven as in a group of connected, in this case geographically connected, witches).    
Please note that all of my additions were made solely based on what Pratchett himself has stated about witches and/or the characters concerned and, as such, does not qualify as OR.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.170.106 (talk) 09:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended reverts to Discworld witches

message: Took out the word "seemed" because that was simply bad phrasing on my part; it's explicitly stated by Pratchett that she does those things.  To fix the First Sight/Second Thoughts thing, I added Pratchett's definition of First Sight/Second Thoughts to the opening in the paragraph that talks about headology and then, based on those definitions, by the creator of the character and the concepts, also documented Glenda's possession of First Sight and Second Thought, with the most-talked about, by the creator of the character and the concepts, example of each.  Please tell me that satisfies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.170.106 (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Readding and rephrasing Glenda Sugarbean

message: Her classification as a witch has been challenged as speculation, with an administrator telling me I need a "third-party reliable source" in order to include her on the Discworld witches page.  I'm unsure what he means by that.  Pratchett is the source of all of the information I'm striving to add.  Do I need to cite page and book for each piece of information in my addition, despite the fact that no where in the rest of the article is this done?  Addition I want to make is as follows:
Glenda Sugarbean
 	
Though both Glenda Sugarbean and her mother, characters in Unseen Academicals, are never explicitly labeled witches and don't, to our knowledge, self-identify as such, both do have many of the traits commonly seen in Discworld Witches. Recalling Tiffany Aching's "excellence with cheese" and Petulia Gristle's excellence with pigs, both are magnificent cooks, with Glenda being particularly known for her pies. Additionally both operated as combination social workers/nurses/surgeons/doctors in their communities, another witchly trait. Glenda has also had instances that are the same as First Sight--seeing behind the illusions of the fashion industry being the most notable-- and Second Thoughts--the theme of the crab bucket being the most notable.
Point by point breakdown:
-"never explicitly labeled witches and don't, to our knowledge, self-identify as such"  If this is a disqualification for being on this page then Granny Aching needs to be removed, because she was never explicitly labeled a witch and didn't self-identify as such either.
-"do have many of the traits commonly seen in Discworld Witches"  All of the traits, which were listed after, were explicitly said to be Witchly traits by Pratchett, throughout various of the books.
-"Excellence with pies"  It is said explicitly in Hat Full of Sky that every witch doesn't charge for the services she provides to the community and as such, has secondary skills to bring in money.
-"combination social workers/nurses/surgeons/doctors" It is an omnipresent theme throughout the witch books and Aching books that this is the role that witches play.  It is also explicitly mentioned in Unseen Academicals that this is the role Glenda plays.
-"instances that are the same as First Sight"  The definition of First Sight I gave, which is up above in the opening, is a paraphrasing of the definition Pratchett gives, and the seeing behind the illusions of the fashion industry was an incident in Unseen Academicals.  With a few slight detail changes, the same statement applies to Second Thoughts.
So, again, where exactly is the speculation in there?  Are you honestly saying that Terry Pratchett, who created the world, the character, the series, and the concepts that are and are of Discworld is not a credible enough source?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.170.106 (talk) 07:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Glenda Sugarbean

message: Here you said that sources exist to establish notability. Could you please provide some? Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 23:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources