Talk:African Australians

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message: Who fucked up this page?
it was fine how it was until is was COMPLETELY edited several months ago. 
Niether Afircan American, African British nor African Canadian refers to white people. It is refering to Citzens who have black African backgrounds whether they be distant or not. African Ausralian should only be refering to people of african roots not European. steve76859 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 03:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened? 

message: Yeh BrainyBabe, your right, sorry my bad. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 12:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry O'Brien 

message: The intention of this article is to discuss Australians from Africa or of African ancestry.  The text and statistics provided make this assumption.  "Black Australian" to most people would suggest indigenous Australians, which is not what this article is about.  The definition should include persons from Africa irrespective of 'colour', as is our practice with other articles. Kransky (talk) 12:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, Black Australian to most people suggests exactly what this article used to say. Which is that it is used to refer to African Australians. It is only used to refer to indigneous Austalians as a self indentity. Aboriginals are not of African ancestory and alot of them are very light coloured. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Google "Black Australians" and you will discover that the term is only used in reference to aboriginal Australians.  Kransky (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Australian, not Black Australian 

message: This article should focus on Australians with a link to Africa.  "Black Australian" could encompass indigenous Australians, Melanesian Australians as well as African Australians, and the three have very little in common with each other.  The majority of African Australians are white ex-South Africans and Zimbabweans - excluding the most notable portion of the population is not appropriate.   Kransky (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: African Australian, not Black Australian

message: the article says There is no clear definition of what constitutes being an "African Australian" please provide WP:RS to define the term. Gnangarra 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: but there isn't a definition to work off.  However Wikipedia has two definitions for "African" one based on birthplace, another on ethnicity.  This article was written to accomodate both definitions.   Kransky (talk) 10:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As there is no definition, please do not remove the paragraph that points out that lack of definition and refers to ABS ancestry data--Matilda talk 22:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: This article should be merged with Black-Africans in Australia. The Ogre (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Black-Africans in Australia

message: A user called Blackable2323 wants this article to be called "Australians of African Descent", because It's the Correct term for people of sub african descent.
I have no idea what a person of sub african descent is.  However this name fits with other ethnicity in Australia articles (German Australian, Japanese Australian, Danish Australian) etc.  Why should this be different?  Kransky (talk) 10:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: presume the intent is sub-saharan decent but that isnt the focus of the article, in its many forms it has included americans, south africans of eurpoean decents, egyptians and peoples of the middle east. I think that the articles intent was to include all people who are decended from people who immigrated(voluntary or forcibly) from any african country irregardless of their nationality. There also seams to be a historical cut off time for inclusion criteria to those that immigrated on or after about 15th/16th century. As for calling it "Australians of African Descent" one then ask questions as to what criteria is used to define a person as being "Australian". In short my standard response, provide a reliable source to define the term first then all other issues can be easily resolved. Gnangarra 12:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  "African Australian" is a neutral term that could encompass the two meanings that have been debated (and it fits existing naming conventions).  "Australians of African descent" could encompass African-American Australians (with virtually no connection to Africa) and exclude Egyptian Australians or white South Africans (who are the vast majority of African Australians).  Blackable2323 and Unknown have presented no reason why one definition should carry more weight than the other.  Kransky (talk) 23:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "African Australians" vs "Australians of African Descent"

message: Other than the ABS data which had to be aggregted to produce the statistics for this article and therefore was a potential breach of W:SYNTH and a handful of other links that really didn't seem to meet WP:RS and didn't help difinitionally, I have now located a source that I think meets some concerns http://www.att.org.au/documents/att_report.pdf .  It is a reoport of a workshop sponsored by Workshop sponsored by the Victorian Department of Immigration, Victorian Multicultural Commission, and the Department of Victorian Communities and conducted by African Think Tank Inc.  It starts More than two thirds of the migrants who settle in Victoria under Australia’s humanitarian and refugee programs now come from African nations, and for many of these groups the resettlement process is confusing, even traumatic. It is increasingly important that new arrivals are given support to successfully integrate into the broader Australian society, however.</br>Issues affecting resettlement and integration of African migrants were identified by representatives of African communities at an Initiative Workshop Auspiced by the African Think Tank Inc in Melbourne on 16 February 2006. Participants stressed that many families experience ‘culture shock’ on their arrival in Australia and, without appropriate support, find it difficult to understand and adapt to mainstream Australian values and norms. Cultural differences increase pressures on families and communities, and have serious implications for refugees’ on-going physical and psychological wellbeing and for their engagement with other Australians and mainstream institutions. The workshop highlighted the following interconnected themes for consideration at the forthcoming national conference on African re-settlement:</br>� African values, and the positive contributions African-Australians can make to Australia;</br>� cultural differences and how these impact on family and community life;</br>� gender, role differentiation and family relationships as they affect both men and women;</br>� content and delivery of health education and services, especially around mental health, communicable diseases, diet and lifestyle, and vitamin D deficiency;</br>� specific problems African-Australian youth face in being “caught between two cultures”;</br>� adult education, training and employment opportunities;</br>� educational needs of African children, from pre-school to tertiary; and</br>� the ignorance of the broader Australian community about Africa and African-Australians.
I think we have a source that substantiates the aggregation of an African Australian experience.  There are some issues to be sorted out but we have a way forward in my view. There are some other sources indicated that may be worth following up in relation to the national conference mentioned.--Matilda talk 00:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A source :-) 

message: The Book Black Founders by Samantha Pybus presents conclusive evidence that there were people of recent Subsaharan African; African American and Afro-Caribbean descent on the First Fleet. So I think that the sentance "Historical archives suggest that convicts transported to Australia included Afro-Caribbeans" should be changed to "Historical archives show that convicts transported to Australia included Afro-Caribbeans and Afro-Americans" but no-one should forget Black Caesar. Just my thoughts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.57.11 (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Prescence on the First Fleet 

message: Could the person wanting the photos and template removed please state their reason(s)?  Thanks.  Kransky (talk) 11:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Black people in Australia has been deleted through AfD and has now been recreated at Afro-Australians in Australia. I propose a merge of that article into this article. Comments? Donama (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Other article now deleted. No potential to merge. WWGB (talk) 02:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Afro-Australians in Australia 

message: Why is the picture of Timomatic not included, and why is he not mentioned?
In fact, I ask that this article be unlocked and updated by the community. There is no need to lock this article, it should be free for people to edit, as this is not an article that is of one person or event in history, but of a demographic in the population of Australia. A demographic that is growing by the day and should be updated accordingly.
In my opinion, this article is very underdone and quite outdated. 
Just as the articles on African Americans and Black British, this article should also make note of more African Australians and their involvement in the Australian society. Jas315 (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is only page move protected, it is not locked against editing. WWGB (talk) 01:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timomatic is more notable than any of the African Australians pictured in the article, why is he not pictured? 

message: There is an ongoing discussion on the "Black people" and "White people" articles about whether these terms can only mean "race" or can be used as description of skin color. Relevance is given as "Black Australians" are also discussed in the Black people article. You are welcomed to participate.
 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:White people#Discussion on direction of article.  FonsScientiae (talk) 12:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at  Talk:White people#Discussion on direction of article

message: The 'History' section states:
"The Special Commonwealth African Assistance Plan allowed students from West African countries, mostly from Ghana and Nigeria, to come to Australia the mid-1960s. More than 70 per cent of these students remained in Australia following military coup d'états in their countries of birth.[12]"
Could this please be modified to remove the claim that mostly West African countries were involved in SCAAP. (I tried doing this, but my edit was deleted.)
There is no evidence that SCAAP involved people mostly from Ghana and Nigeria. The fact sheet referenced for this information only states that most of those from West Africa were from Ghana and Nigeria. Other countries involved in SCAAP had much larger numbers of white people migrating to Australia, which is a possible reason why there was no mention of SCAAP involvement (only for Black people) in the Australian Department of Immigration Fact sheets for those countries. Guantai5 (talk) 09:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The bureau indicates that "students from West African countries, including from Ghana, came to Australia in the mid-1960s under the Special Commonwealth African Assistance Plan[...] more than 70 per cent of these students remained in Australia following military coups in their countries" . Middayexpress (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstantiated Claims about the Special Commonwealth African Assistance Plan 

message: Please don't claim that African Australians are migrants. It doesn't make sense when they have been in the country since 1788. Plenty of people of African descent were born in Australia.Guantai5 (talk) 12:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the Australian government, African Australians are Australian citizens and residents born in, or with recent ancestors from Africa. Middayexpress (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Australians, also known as African migrants to Australia 

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message: I am not an expert in this field. But I am surprised by this formulation.
It sounds like the Kilwa Sultanate just so happens to be based in Africa but is not actually African.
Is Cook then the first traveler reaching Australia from a Great Britain-based civilization or Janszoon the first from a Europe-based civilization?
The next question I have is around "barter"
 If I look up the definition I find:
"Barter is a system of exchange where goods or services are directly exchanged for other goods or services without using a medium of exchange, such as money."
Again I am not an expert and I understand that archiologie is probably based on most plausible assumptions. Still without an explanation it sounds surprising to me that discovering Money is an indication for a system of exchange without using Money.
My feeling: if this would have been coins of a European kingdom somewhere else then Australia the sentence would end something like this:
... indicating trade with Europe.
If this is correct I would suggest to replace in this article:
...indicating barter with Africa-based civilizations.
with
...indicating trade with Africa.
And from my perspective I would even add
... indicating trade with Africa as early as the 12th century.
As this would put in perspective the next sentence:
"They are among the oldest foreign artifacts ever discovered in Australia."
With respect to this sentence I followed the reference just after it and was surprised to find in the second paragraph of the article the following:
"By far the oldest foreign artefacts ever found in Australia."
As this seems to be the only reference for those coins probably we should get closer to their judgement?
In total I think the section could read:
Coins minted by the Kilwa Sultanate have been found on the Wessel Islands. This indicates trade with Africa as early as the 12th century. They are the oldest foreign artifacts ever discovered in Australia.[8]
Thoughts?
 T.pfeiffer (talk) 21:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indicating barter with Africa-based civilizations. 

message: Egypt is more Middle East than Africa so learn and don't be ignorant. Is Morocco Africa? - separated by desert and mountains from the rest of the continent sharing part of it's heritage with the Spanish south and it's culture with Middle East. c'mon stop fooling around. 2A02:C7C:A820:6F00:81B6:1C87:5D10:2052 (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypt - Africa 0_0 ...! 

message: In Australia it is considered extremely racist to refer to people "nationality" Australian. The levels of segregation and prejudice required to use this type of language is considered abominable. This entire entry needs to be rewritten by someone who is ethnic neutral. 220.233.8.1 (talk) 07:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist Language