Talk:Execution by firing squad

message: First paragraphs is full of "usually", "sometimes" and stuff like that referring to certain practices or anecdotes, without a shred of source to back it up. Quote: "[...] thus preventing both disruption of the process by a single member and identification of the member who fired the lethal shot". Who said that? Where? "There is a tradition in some jurisdictions" which jurisdictions? And later on the same paragraph, what does it mean "by some accounts"? This doesn't seem an academic approach to me.
Davide (Turin, IT) 8:29, 24 Jun 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph needs sources 

message: The link to a CNN article about firing squads (link 1) that appears not to be working. The URL is http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/17/firing.squads.ap/index.html Has anyone got another link, or should it just be removed?
Kingal86 13:30, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to CNN article 

message: I'm not sure who posted the recommendation for the merger, but looking at the current size of the articles, they could easily be merged.  We can always split them out again if they ever do become too large.  Any objections?  Rossami (talk) 02:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Execution by firing squad in the United Kingdom]] 

message: Huhtiniemi graves are no more mere "speculation". On the excavations on 17 October 2006, eleven skeletons, all male, aging 20-22, were exhumed. All were buried without coffins and in a row. All show signs of bullets.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.87.65 (talk • contribs) 
: Interesting but not really relevant to this article.  I'm sure you can find an article on Wikipedia where that story will fit better.  Rossami (talk) 23:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A link to Huhtiniemi mass grave would do in my opinion, no need to bloat the article with it as of now. Scoo 10:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Huhtihniemi graves

message: Fixed. Thank you.
just before i clicked on this page, i thought "i hope they have the goya!" thanks! good work--86.146.230.113 21:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francisco Goya Painting 

message: Since the consitutionality of gas chamber, lethal injection and electric chair is under scrutiny, has execution by firing squad ever been considered to be a cruel and unusual punishment? And if the aforementioned methods are found unconstitutional, will it result as resurgence of hanging and/or firing squads?62.237.141.27 21:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cruel and Unusual Punishment? 

message: A redirect for this well-known phrase has been set to this article, so I've tried to add a minimum of relevant material, including some mention of the recent 'shot at dawn' campaign. (IMHO a redirect should be to an article with at least some note on the redirected usage!). The phrase 'shot at dawn' has a long tradition (but what was done in Cromwell's time??) and is not, on due inspection, completely self-evident (eg some of the drama in the final moments of Tosca is because the execution of her lover is at sunrise ). Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 10:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Above the Arctic circle, they have to be careful about the "shot at dawn" stuff, as it could involve a long wait. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: shot at dawn

message: Russians claims they have shot looters in the South Ossetia/ Georgia conflict by firesquad.Probably hundreds of thousends if not millions of people where killed by firesquad in Russia and the Sovietunion in the 20th century alone.Someone should write more on this. As well as China.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.12.208 (talk) 05:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to research the matter. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Article only supports actual facts, that can be cited, not cold war propaganda.
-G  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.152.158 (talk) 09:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Russia

message: ...the time-honored tale of the Polish format for firing squads - they form a circle around the condemned. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article omits... 

message: Known locally as "The Finnish Line". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firing squads in Finland 

message: Anybody?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.91.242 (talk) 17:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because if they tied him to a metal post, the bullets might richochet. Duh. (See Polish firing squad, above). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do they tie a condemned to a post (any, not specifically wooden) at all, smartass?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.91.242 (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, let's think about this... if they don't, do ya think there's a chance he might try to *run away*? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems quite obvious to me that a doomed person, surrounded by armed men would accept his fate rather than try to escape and thus risk a non-lethal shot that only would provide him with needless suffering before his end. It's especially unlikely with a military, 'cos e.g. officers mostly present some dignity and would not risk blaming them for cowardice. If you watch the execution of german general Anton Dostler e.g. on youtube, you'll notice that he's tied to that wooden pillar by knees, also his hands are tied behind the pillar, so after the shot, I guess, it prevents him from hitting the dirt, and he simply bends over instead of slipping all the way down to the ground. What's the purpose of this?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.91.242 (talk) 13:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And it seems quite obvious to me that someone in that spot would figure he has nothing to lose, so he might as well try. Also, if he's securely tied to something, it gives the shooters a better shot, i.e. not a moving target. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, am I to believe it is that simple?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.91.242 (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

text: You've hit upon the practical answer, which is simply this: To make the executioners' job as easy as possible; for precisely the same reason they immobilize a guy who's about to be hanged, decapitated, electrocuted, gassed, or injected. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  reason for tying condemned to a wooden pillar? 

message: Most  executed in the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1920 were hung.  By both the rebels and the federal troops.  Pancho Villa later "stacked" prisoners to save ammo. One rifle bullet would kill up to 7 men; a pistol, up to 3.
See "Insurgent Mexico". John Reed.Tintinteslacoil (talk) 17:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexico?

message: Are the pictures of actual executions by firing squad (the German firing squad executing civilians in Bochnia and the Soviet infiltrator being shot during the Continuation War) necessary?  It seems a bit over the top to show real pictures of people being killed, and the other images in this article convey the point quite clearly without them. Alexjcharlton (talk) 23:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a problem with the pictures. They are not graphic in nature, they depict events that happened half a century ago, and they add valuable content to the article. You say the article conveys the point clearly without them. I feel that this is not entierly true. A picture tells a thousand words and theese images complement the textual content of the article perfectly. They are no different than the pictures beeing used in any kind of encyclopedic publication. Long storry short, this is an encyclopedia, not a childrens book. Granted, kids use wikipedia for school projects and the like, but any kid able to read and old enough to be handed an assignemnt concerning execution is old enough to handle theese pictures. I say keep the images. ~Fenrisulfr (talk · work)</font> 08:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual execution photos 

message: The Bahrain section describes the method of execution as being by a single sharpshooter.  This doesn't fit the definition of firing squad as given in the first paragraph.  The section has also been tagged as needing citations for over a year now, so I've deleted it completely.  Rojomoke (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bahrain 

message: The Danish authorities executed 46 prisoners as part of the legal purges following World War 2 and the Occupation of Denmark. The executions took place in two different locations in the country and was conducted by a firing squad of 8 policemen.
I intend to start a new article on the legal purges and the executions, but figured I might as well add a new section here as well. It won't be today though, as I'm busy elsewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KDLarsen (talk • contribs) 16:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark 

message: Since according to the "Firing squads in the United States" section, Idaho has now outlawed firing squads, shouldn't the state be painted green, in the map?  Thanks-- Kingsfold (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idaho and Utah on the Map 

message: The Wikipedia article refers to one person in the squad using a blank, but according to this CNN article one person is issued an ineffective round. The round causes the same feedback in the rifle. Suggestions?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/09/utah.firing.squad/index.html
129.174.161.41 (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ineffective round 

message: The article quoth:
Regardless if is carried out properly, execution by firing squad is debated as to whether or not it is a "humane" practice. It is possible that it can be a "relatively" painless and extremely swift but fairly messy way to kill a human being. If the executioners aim at the head, a single hit in the brain, especially the brain stem, is "usually" immediately fatal. Since bullets are faster than neural impulses, it is "unlikely" the convict will feel any pain.
If those are quoted from somebody, they should be cited; if they're not, the scare quotes should be removed. Jpatokal (talk) 00:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the "scare" quotes? 

message: Boneyard: You have deleted (well) sourced material with no good cause. No, the cause you gave was not good enough. The article is not only about the act of execution by shooting (which by its nature must be in the past) but the policy of execution, and this is especially relevant for a country which, having not executed anyone for ten years, has announced it will recommence capital punishment. Or do you think a death sentence is irrelevant to an execution?
On another note, I notice you are now claiming it is an unnecessarily detailed edit when in fact it is only as detailed as it was before; whereas previously your only beef was with the fact that it was unsourced. That I rectified. You never mentioned unnecessary detail earlier, so don't now. I am going to now replace the relevant and verifiable information you deleted. TTFN. Basket Feudalist  15:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I find it detailed and unnecessary until the sentence is carried out. Would the information have been included if it was an Indonesian person (in Indonesia) sentenced to death, or is this solely because it is of some interest to British (or Western) readers because it's a British/Western person in a Southeast Asia country. Sounds like it violates WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM. I think you ought to re-consider the relevancy of the information, or explain the relevancy better. But a simple mention of what might happen, is irrelevant. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What's relevant here is not her ethnicity (or age, or gender...) but the apparent shift in Government policy. Which I have already pointed out. If it was -for example China, where executions are not exactly uncommon- then no notability of course. It is disingenuous to suggest the sourced material said what might happen; it didn't. It stated one bald fact that HAD already happened- her sentencing. The until-recent rarity of the event means iit does not violate WP:NOTNEWS and being an established, single fact means neither does it 'overburden' the article which is in turn not based on 'flimsy, transient merits'; only that would violate WP:RECENTISM. Since you arre so keen on policy and proceedure, how 'bout WP:AGF...? It strikes me that your instinctive response was effectively an attack; to accuse me of tendencious editing, to assume my personal background, and to infer some Nationalist-Eurocentric-proto-Colonialist ETC agenda on my part! Which is ironically, laughable. But unfortunately still highly offensive behaviour from an editor of such note. Basket Feudalist  16:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, you are really reading too much into my correction and my comments, but thank you for the compliment. I have assumed good faith; otherwise I would have called it vandalism. But the edit still does not explain the significance. A lady was sentenced to death: so what? Why is it significant? You say it represents an "apparent shift in Government policy". Really? It doesn't look like it. The section states that five people were executed as recently as 2008, both foreigners and native Indonesians. So what is significant about the possible execution of a convicted foreigner? Aside from your explanation (your POV), what source do you have? And why write "subject to change"? Such edits are a hassle, because the reader does not know if the situation has changed, because quite often the original contributor never bothers to return and update the info. Account for these issues, and I'd be in a better position to support the inclusion. Boneyard90 (talk) 18:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't write 'subect to change', that was already there and therefore returned when I reverted, and yes it frankly is crap prose I agree. My reasons are as above; it is a factual, historical, and sourced event that is relevant to the subject. I have spent the last ten days recovering from the outrageous slur of being accused of IMPERIALISM. Basket Feudalist  12:09, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesia 

message: Where is India?First incident of execution by firing happened in India.After 1st battle of Panipat,prisoners were executed by firing.Ovsek (talk) 12:38, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

message: I've removed the 'Globalize' tag because with some fourteen countries represented, it did not seem relevant; I could not see the need for it. RASAM (talk) 22:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globalize tag 

message: He is wearing German uniforms on all pictures, unlikely that he was captured in any other clothing. --41.151.42.254 (talk) 01:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josef Wende 

message: Perhaps I should ask this over on Wikimedia Commons, but is there any sense of how authentic the photo is of Austrians executing Serbs in 1917? I clicked through the one active link on the file's page to the National Archives | here , and the photo description reads as propaganda, which is a bit unsurprising as it was put out in 1917 by the US War Dept. My bigger question is that looking at the soldiers' boots, they seem really mismatched to the ground that they're standing on, almost like a cut-and-paste. Konchevnik81 (talk) 20:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Austria/Serbians Photo

message: "Utah to resume use of firing squad for executions":  Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utah - March 2015 

message: * If the blank cartridge system was used, how many of the squad had live rounds? One? All but one? Half the squad? Likely it varied? See Execution by shooting#Asia. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See the comments under "Blank Cartridge" above re: US Army procedures. However, undoubtedly this varied by country and time period and I suspect that actual procedures in the US Army varied due to circumstances. Blank cartridges were probably not routinely shipped to combat zones, although one could improvise by prying the bullet out of a cartridge and putting in some wadding to contain the powder. Wschart (talk) 13:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blank cartridge: how many? 

message: In the North Korea article, it states that Kim Jong Un ordered his education advisor executed by shooting squad for "slumping in his chair at a meeting". Should this be added to the article about where shooting squads are used? Planer 12346578955 (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Korea article stating education advisor executed by shooting squad  

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message: Hello, the painting Tres de Mayo (Third of May) is an artistic representation of a firing squad. I think this photograph could ba a better candidate : 
This is an actual photograph of a firing squad, all the elements are clearly visible (soldiers and victims) and centered.
What do you think ? Skimel (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *Perhaps Édouard Manet also deserves to get the boot in favour of something more realistic? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You can also search in this category: Photographs of firing squads for an appropriate picture. I don't think artistic representation suit the introduction, but rather a real photograph of a real firing squad. Skimel (talk) 12:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposition of new image in the introduction 

message: I am proposing that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_shooting be merged into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad, or vice-versa. The topics are substantially similar and the former talks mostly about firing squad executions rather than non-firing squad shooting executions. Even the top photo on Execution by shooting is a photo of execution by firing squad.
E.g., under Asia "Bahrain uses firing squads for execution" and "In Indonesia, capital punishment is administered by a firing squad which aims for the heart." Under United States: "Since 1608, about 142 men have been judicially shot in the United States and its English-speaking predecessor territories, excluding executions related to the American Civil War" (the source speaks of all shooting deaths, including firing squads).
To be clear, execution by shooting is distinct from execution by firing squad. All executions by firing squad are executions by shooting, but a singular executioner using a gun is not execution by firing squad. Thus, it may be easier to rename this article to "Execution by shooting" with a header explaining executions by firing squad. A good reason to keep the name "...firing squad" is that people typically refer to executions by firing squad as the method of execution involving guns and, at least in American English, "execution by shooting" is a relatively rare turn of phrase. Jbp192 (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Proposal