Talk:Jay Gould

message: I removed a garbled sentence and fixed a couple other things. Needs a bit more work. Paul 19:30, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garbled sentence 

message: THere is a guy(taxonomist) with a similar name who wrote about biological classification— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 12:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you thinking about Stephen Jay Gould? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, thats him. Thanks for the pointer. That brings another observation, didn't Gould (Financer) have a third name? That would help avoid the search for the biologist leading to this thug .. sorry financer.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 02:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biology author 

message: This child appears in the timeline but not in the list of children.  Can someone please figure out which one is right? The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Jay Gould 

message: This is not going into the article without a citation of someone attributing it to Gould. Gazpacho 03:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you even googled the quote? try  (look for it, it's there).  Now will somebody put that quote back on?  (Me being to busy and a newb to boot) Evil Deep Blue 21:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should have a better source than that. EDB has done is link us to a list of quotes. A lot of apocryphal stuff gets to be including in such lists, and then circulates. Consider the famous line about how it's turtles all the way down for an example. You can google that one and get lots of lists making mutually inconsistent attributions. We should require something more like a primary source. Did somebody hear him say this and record it? Was it something he wrote in a letter that the recipient saved? --Christofurio 13:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have seen this in several biographies of Gould, including the "definitive" Maury Klein biography. Wikiquote cites The Little, Brown Book of Anecdotes, Clifton Fadiman, Little Brown, October 1985, . --ubiquity 16:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  Citations from books of anecdotes are precisely the problem. George Washington said, "I can not tell a lie, I cut down that cherry tree with my little axe" according to anecdote. If you've got the Klein biography handy, check his footnotes for it and let me know what his primary source is. I don't have any prejudices one way or the other, and I'm not the editor who removed the quote from this article in the first place, but I'm sure the original concern that got this quote removed had to do with its anecdotal sound. --Christofurio 20:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I can hire half the working class to kill the other half" 

message: Here is a phrase from the most recent revision of the page: "Anti-semitism, in connection with Gould's name, motivated some of this hostility, even though he was born a Presbyterian and married an Episcopalian." This sentence could have two meanings: Gould was rumored to be Jewish and that motivated some of the hostility towards him OR Gould was rumored to be anti-semitic yet was a Presbyterian and married an Episcopalian. I first went with the 2nd interpretation and only recognized the first after I asked a friend for their take; because it would be very odd if you could counter any claims of you being an anti-Semite with a claim that you're a Presbyterian. Someone may want to clear this up. I would, but I know absolutely nothing about this person so I feel I would be unjustified in making any revisions.--152.2.62.27 12:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point --- the first meaning is the intended one. Gould was widely rumored to be Jewish (and he made no attempts to dissuade this belief) and was often cast in a villainous light in part due to this. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 07:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe I read that the sole basis of the belief that Gould was Jewish was simply that his last name was similar to an often-Jewish surname, Gold and, of course, his association with money. That he did not attempt to clear this up (and I would enjoy seeing a reference to this) is interesting and I guess is to Gould's credit--Jrm2007 (talk) 07:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  His financier son Howard married Jewish actress Grete Mosheim in 1937, but that was after his Jay's death. LIKEU148477 (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-semitism 

message: There is an article about Gouldsboro, PA claiming the city was named for Mr. Jay Gould the financier.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.86.228 (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gouldsboro, PA 

message: The "Marriage" section says that Jay Gould had six children and lists them. The "Jay Gould" Box that includes date of birth, death, names of children, etc. does not include one child, Howard Gould.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.189.224.244 (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Gould Box 

message: These are unreferenced or already in the lede:
In an era without government regulation, in which private New York bankers led by J.P. Morgan and Co. extended their control over a growing share of US industry in an ultimately-unsuccessful attempt to reduce rampant destructive competition, the New York City press could be less than flattering to Gould, who bought up control over corporations, looted their assets, and sold them before the damage became known.Josephson, Matthew. 1962. The Robber Barons: The Great American Capitalists, 1861-1901. New York: Harcourt, Brace & World. 
For example, some New York newspaper accounts alleged that Gould's dealings in the tanning business drove his partner Charles Leupp to suicide. But Leupp had episodes of mania and depression that psychiatrists would now recognize as indications of bipolar disorder, which his family thought could have caused his death (citation needed). Gould was often suspected of being Jewish due to his name and business acumen, and was often depicted in anti-semitic caricatures, even though he was born a Presbyterian and married an Episcopalian (citation needed).
Contemporary efforts to rescue Gould's reputation and contemporary interest in Gould are spurred by conflicts in analyses of the post-1975 rise of speculative, destructive financial capital in many prominent national economies, and the 2007-present economic crisis and its temporary resolution in public-financed bailouts for failed firms and spectacular compensation for their top managers, deepening moral hazard and public debt, and further reducing the role of productive capital in the economic mix.Kotz, David M. 2008. Neoliberalism and Financialization. University of Massachusetts Amherst.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 20:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

message: We own a couple of books that were once in his library; I believe his full name was: "Jay Elliot Gould"; am I not correct? 207.151.38.178 (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not. He'd be "Jason Elliot Gould" if that were the case, but nothing indicates that's so. --jpgordon::==( o ) 02:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Full Name 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Jay Gould]] 

message: I've added 'some' to the words '...modern historians...' in the introduction. This is to avoid implying that current historians have arrived at a consensus which overturns earlier portrayals. Meticulo (talk) 00:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Modern historians' 

message: The link referenced in Note 2 points to a page that no longer exists. I tried to Google for the page to see if it had a changed URL and couldn't find anything. --sydbarrett74 (talk) 03:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 2 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  [[:File:Jay Gould - Bain News Service.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: Who inserted this statement and falsely claimed it was supported by these references? In the specified pages, the first reference (Borneman) says:
In the specified pages, the second reference (Klein) says:
Page numbers have not been specified for the third reference. 207.216.153.13 (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gould is widely regarded as one of the great villains of his era" 

message: I remember reading that the particular tanning related activity Gould engaged in was building and financing the process of turning wood byproduct into potash. In areas where there was lumbering there would be bark and branch wood residue. This could be  burned so as to produce wood ash which was used in tanning. This product was collected  from a large number of small processing operators and delivered to the tanners. This is how the young Jay Gould became involved with Zadoc Pratt. RichardBond (talk) 21:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Goulds earliest enterprise 

message: Didn’t he shoot himself? 2600:100E:B050:AA29:4D21:EC50:BCD2:DE90 (talk) 02:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Leupp