Talk:Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions

message: sean - yes, i see it, but it is still dead. i have tried various ways to get to it and none work. maybe you can? Soosim (talk) 09:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The URL http://web.archive.org/web/20080426085515/http://icahd.org/eng/campaigns.asp?menu=4&submenu=4 which is linked to the title "A Call for an anti-apartheid campaign as Israel prepares to make its occupation permanent" in ref 4 works for me. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok, i just get "Welcome to Wayback. Loading... http://icahd.org/eng/campaigns.asp?menu=4&submenu=4 as close to the date: 8:55:15 Apr 26, 2008 as is available."  and then it doesn't load....  so, what i wanted to know is if the whole sentence is really the quote or just the part in the quotes?  (ICAHD also focuses on preventing the "longstanding and ongoing human rights violations" and asserts that Israel's actions have led to an emerging apartheid regime in the Occupied Territories.)  because....then the word 'apartheid' and the phrase 'occupied territories' need work....  Soosim (talk) 10:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've seen that kind of thing before from archive.org but not in this case. Is there something at the bottom of the page that says "Impatient ?" or something along those lines. If so, click that. In the meantime I'll see if I can stop it redirecting for you and have a look at the text. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Okay, I changed the URL to the first capture so I now get the same as you. Clicking the "Impatient?" link in the lower right of the page takes me to the article. Does that work for you now ? Sean.hoyland - talk 10:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

text: If "longstanding and ongoing human rights violations" is meant to be a quote, it's not from that source, but the source supports a statement like "Israel's actions have led to an emerging apartheid regime in the Occupied Territories" many, many, many times over and over and over again. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: i guess i have too much patience. i did click impatient and it did work. thanks. now, i will edit that sentence so that the first part is not there, and the last part is in quotes. Soosim (talk) 13:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  dead link 

message: Merrill Singer is clearly not an expert in middle eastern issues, palestinian affairs, israel, etc. not sure why a minor citation in a book that has nothing to do with this issue at all is considered RS for this.... please help explain. thanks.  Soosim (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is about antropology its have nothing to do with the conflict at all.Most of the sources prescribe the non-violent claim to the organisation itself.--Shrike (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic of this article is not "middle eastern issues, Palestinian affairs, Israel, ect.", nor is it "the conflict". The topic of this article is an organisation, the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, and if an academic source, published by a highly regarded academic press, covers the topic, then that is a significant view published in RS and merits inclusion in the article. Dlv999 (talk) 10:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like an entirely appropriate and high quality source to me. The section in the book is about healing, rebuilding, reconciliation and resistance, and it's in a chapter about political violence, war, and medical anthropology. Singer is a medical anthropologist. Harper is an anthropologist. Singer's citing ICAHD as an example, along with several others, of what he regards as positive action that helps people who find themselves in a conflict. It's about the effects of conflict on actual human beings, something Singer knows quite a lot about, and what people/organizations have tried to do about it. It directly discusses the subject of this article in that context and provides details of the organization explicitly mentioning the connection between housing and health. The issue is being made homeless by having your house demolished and having it rebuilt by ICAHD, not Middle Eastern issues, Palestinian affairs, Israel. It's just about what happens to people and what ICAHD does about it according to a high quality source. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please explain how she expert on extrimst NGOs.Whatever the group is non-violent has everything to do with the conflict.--Shrike (talk) 11:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I won't do that. Sean.hoyland - talk 11:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singer, Merrill  

message: The current article reads:-
* He acknowledged that "he has been involved in rebuilding homes that were demolished, and that his activity is illegal." 
The quote is not a quote of Margalit, but a quote of the Jpost news report, which seems a bit odd to me. Haaretz have published the direct Margalit quote, and I think it would be far better to use that:-
* "I was asked if I did it on purpose and answered that I do not recognize the Interior Ministry's right to question me about my activities in East Jerusalem, which is occupied territory and where Israeli law is not valid," Dlv999 (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margalit questioning 

message: The sentence I just removed (about NIF) is not supported at the place indicated in the source.  But even if it was, that place is yet another Gerald Steinberg piece, and Steinberg is a highly unreliable source used way too much in this article. Zerotalk 01:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a common problem, as was also discussed in the section "POV" above. Just recently at Talk:House demolition in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, one editor used NGO Monitor to dismiss Bimkom as "biased". Same when it comes to CAMERA etc. --IRISZOOM (talk) 16:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
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