Talk:Milorganite

message: Is the use of this product permitted under organic certification requirements? I do not know, but it is something occurring to me as I read this article.
Victorsteelballs (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While the product bills itself as "organic" (which is true), its use is not permitted in a U.S.D.A. certified organic farm.
7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:42, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organic certification 

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"The recycled product, high nitrogen fertilizer, is sold throughout the world, reduces the need for manufactured nutrients, and after more than 75 years is one of the largest and most continuous example of such programs." 
 
This is not opinion but fact.
7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: I have reverted the edit that talked about Milorganite not being "poop". First of all "poop" is  a silly euphemism that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Faeces (or feces if you prefer) is what is being discussed. For my sins, this is an area of operational science that I do know a little about. All sewage processes rely on a variety of organisms from bacteria up to annelid worms and includes very many protozoa, rotifers, nematodes etc. etc. The proportions of these vary from process to process with very few annelids in package aeration plants and many in trickling filters, but at the end of the day, all process encourage both aerobic and aerobic organisms to feed on the soluble and insoluble organic matter in sewage. The ecological interactions are complex and even more so when the sludge produced by these organisms is then anaerobically digested and dried. However, any competent analysis of a well digested sludge will show much evidence of bacteria and, perhaps surprisingly even more phage, but also micro fragments of lignin and cellulose. These fragments are often important part of the substrate that the biota in the oxidative phase colonise. These fragments are derived mostly from toilet paper (toilet tissue) together with xylem fibres from vegetables and salad crops. These remain and can be oxidised in the COD test but not in the BOD(5) text. They are still present because the only effective organisms that can break down lignified material are fungi which are almost absent. So dried sewage sludge does indeed contain actual faecal material, and a reference from  an unreliable and biased source cannot be used to assert the contrary.  Velella  Velella Talk   16:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes.  WP:Verifiability, not WP:Truth.  Sounds like you know Shit from Shinola.  You've got sources for that?  Your assertion that the sources is unreliable is unsupported and undocumented.  Just sayin...  7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree - which is why I haven't put any of that in the article. I am long retired and have no access to the technical libraries that once supported my work. I can tell you what I know but I can't put it in a Wikipedia article because I have no access to the sources, most of which were written long before the internet and digital media. I can however point out things which are palpably wrong and sources which are clearly biased!  Velella  Velella Talk   17:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with everything user:Velella said and commend him/her for taking so much time to spell all this out in detail. Of course milorganite contains the organic content of fecal matter! And there is nothing wrong with that either. See reuse of excreta. The problematic part of feces would be the pathogens but they are killed through heat drying. Much more problematic than fecal matter is actually chemical pollutants from industrual effluent that is part of the sewage... I am actually shocked that someone wanted to add this sentence into the article (even into the lead!) which is so factually wrong and just a PR and sales blurb: "This is a product of sewage and water treatment, wherein microbes are fed poop and grown in a rich aerobic environment. It is a product resulting from digestion of excrement, but it is not true that it directly contains feces." - glad that Velella removed that again. If anyone wants to know more references about the topic of sewage sludge treatment and biosolids, simply go to the Wikipedia articles on those two topics. I don't think we need to re-iterate all that in this article. This article should be about the specific situation in Milwaukee and not about biosolids in general. EMsmile (talk) 21:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We were getting criticisms that the fecal/sewage origins weren't discussed.  And indeed, the actual technical details are pretty much glossed over.  Was trying to address those concerns.  But you are "shocked" and it is now deleted.  Bon appetit!  7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am shocked that you as an experienced Wikipedia editor honestly thought that a sentence such as this one adds any encyclopedic value!: "wherein microbes are fed poop ". That is so not encyclopedic. The way I have written it in the lead is correct: "The sewage sludge remaining after the sewage has been treated at the Jones Island sewage treatment plant (also called "Water Reclamation Facility") in Milwaukee, Wisconsin is heat-dried to remove pathogens. " (although the sentence is perhaps too long) etc. And what is the "Bon appetit!" for? Is the topic of sanitation/sewage/feces one that cannot be discussed without making strange jokes about it? sorry if my sense of humor is not sufficient here but it's not the first time that I find your comments strange. Like "Sounds like you know Shit from Shinola". Can we keep this purely factual please, thanks. EMsmile (talk) 09:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not maligning you or your edits.  I think the article has been improved by you and them.  Cheers.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:00, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In reviewing this thread, I realise that I had made several assumptions that should, perhaps, have been better explained. First, that, after water,  the greatest component by weight of human faeces in the developed world are bacteria, both dead and alive - saying that biosolids are just bacteria with the inference that that they are not faecal in origin, is simply illogical. This is a very complex area, but research demonstrates that the majority of bacteria in :activated sludge plants derive from the sewage stream with the remainder coming from air-born sources. So, if faeces are mostly bacteria, sludge treatment systems are mostly bacteria derived from faeces and bio-solids are dried activated (and primary) sludge, how is it possible to assert that bio-solids are not faecal in origin?  Velella  Velella Talk   11:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Text and references copied from Wisconsin Golf Hall of Fame to Milorganite. See former article's history for a list of contributors.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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