Talk:Nursing/Archive 1

message: "Nursing diagnoses are unique, bearing little resemblance to medical diagnoses."
I'm not sure what the author of this sentence had in mind. Perhaps some examples, or a more in-depth explanation of how nursing and medical diagnoses differ would help the article. Any clarification would be appreciated.
--cprompt 00:01, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old discussions

message: I have separated out branches of nursing as I feel that they are improtant enough to be shown separately. It is a very comprehensive list. It may be a bit too long. It would be better if it could be further sub-divided.
I have pasted a section from the nurse article on history of nursing. It needs expansion. There is a debate on the Talk:nurse as to what should be in this article and what should be in the nurse article. --Vincej 14:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of nursing specialties 

message: ...can identify themselves voluntarily by putting Category:Nurse Wikipedians on their user pages. Not that we have to do that kind of thing just because the doctors do... :) ←Hob 21:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  editors who are nurses... 

message: The nursing profession is a separate profession to the medical profession. Although many nurses carry out medical procedures, a number do not, so it is misleading to describe nursing a medical discipline. --Vincej 15:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, could we add a comment about holism there? ... or would that enrage our medical counterparts? :) Oliver Keenan 16:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  definition 

message: Why is that it is accepted that to be a professional, a pre-requisite is that you have, as a minimum, a bachelor's degree BEFORE embarking on your professional training. For example, I required PASSES in 3 A-levels at B grade before I was allowed to embark on my degree in accountancy. Upon completion of my degree, I faced a further 3 years of intensive study, whilst also working a full week. Only on successful completion of this was I entitled to call myself a professional accountant.
Compare and contrast with a nurse's course:
1. Pass 5 O-levels.
2. Study (not necessarily pass) 2 A-levels.
3. Undertake a 2 year training course, which doesn't quite equate to an HND.
4. Call yourself a professional.
I don't think so. You may carry out your job in a professional manner (as most people do) BUT, I'm sorry to say, nursing is NOT a profession and never will be. At best it can be classified as a skilled manual job. ---preceding unsigned comment by 81.132.90.57 (talk • contribs) on 23 April 2006
According to criteria, a profession:
*draws on a well-defined body of intellectual knowledge. 
*uses the scientific methods to enlarge that body of knowledge, improving education and service. 
*educates its practitioners in institutions of higher learning. 
*functions autonomously in control of professional policy and activity and functions within a code of ethics. 
*is composed of individuals who consider this occupation as their lifework, contributing to the good of society through service to others. 
*requires continuous professional development
Nurses fulfil all of these criteria. Panthro 23:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nursing as a profession 

message: The section on nursing practice needs development and actually exists as a stub - maybe we need to cull what is here and transfer to there? User:Ianguy
26 April 2006
I do not fully agree with this suggestion. Having reviewed the articles I still do not think we have fully resolved what should be in article nurse versus article nursing and the result seems a bit messy. However, I think that a section on nursing practice should exist within the main article on nursing and instead we should delete the stub on nursing practice. --Vincej 09:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Any suggestions for condensing the section of the article that covers all 15 parts of the old register (in the UK). It seems to dominate the article. Or perhaps it should just be deleted? What do people think? --Vincej 09:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what this is referring to, but the UK does have 2 year courses for nurses --John24601 09:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: "Graduate Diploma in Nursing: This route is available in all branches and is a two-year fast-track qualification that is available to those who hold a (minimum) second class honours degree in a relevant subject, eg biology, sociology, psychology, social science." - from http://www.nmas.ac.uk/instit/B50.html. There are loads of other unis which do this too --John24601 21:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parts of the register 

message: Could you provide a link to an institution that provides a two year pre-registration programme?  The only two year ptogrammes are available for people who are nurse cadets OR S/NVQ Level 3 holders.
The minimum course of nurse training, except the two instances mentioned aboved must NOT be less than three years/4,600 hours nor longer than seven years to completion.
Reference: The Nursing and Midwifery Council. (2004) Standards for proficiency for pre-registration nurse education. London: The Nursing and Midwifery Council.
Panthro 19:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Graduate Diploma in Nursing: This route is available in all branches and is a two-year fast-track qualification that is available to those who hold a (minimum) second class honours degree in a relevant subject, eg biology, sociology, psychology, social science." - from http://www.nmas.ac.uk/instit/B50.html. There are loads of other unis which do this too --John24601 21:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: :See also the parallel discussion at  Talk:Nurse#Merge
I have added a merge request - it is simply silly having both, especially as this page is replicating the other - perhaps the section on 'countries' need to be individual pages, and these can each be part of a new category Ianguy 05:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already created Nursing (United Kingdom), maybe each country should do the same? --John24601 09:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge