Talk:Hajime no Ippo

message: This article should be called Hajime no Ippo because it was never licensed in English. I want opinions because my last comment about this was ignored. Gune (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Both are 'official'. One certainly precedes the other chronologically, however both have stories and both are notable. Tyciol (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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message: I've removed the Spectrum Nexus' review because Spectrum Nexus' website is in violation of Wikipepedia's policy on external links by containing materials in violation of copyright law. --Farix (Talk) 19:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: I had renamed it Fighting Spirit (series) explaining in my edit summary its about the series, more there about the anime and games than the manga(which might not have even been released in English)).  This was reverted.  If the manga was never released in English, why do we have an article for it here, instead of calling it by its actual official name?  Why not have an article for the Fighting Spirit Anime and mention its based on the manga Hajime no Ippo and link to that article?  Or since there is a lot of information for the game, not just the anime, why not have an article for everything and call it series?  Calling it Fighting Spirit (manga) when there was never a manga released called that, is rather ridiculous.  Everyone please respond and say what you think the name of the article should be.  Dream Focus 22:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So, do you want to have just the stuff about the manga moved to Hajime no Ippo or everything?  Since the Anime was released in America, shouldn't we use the name people know it from and have Fighting Spirit (Anime)?  The video games that were released in English already have their own three articles, Victorious Boxers.  Would having all information currently in this article be better, or do you think it should be split apart?  Fighting Spirit (series)?  Dream Focus 22:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

text: The problem in this particular case is that per the Manual of Style of anime- and manga-related articles, "series" shouldn't be used and the original work, which is a manga, is given preference, despite the fact that the series is commonly known in English reliable sources by the anime title. That's why it's contradicting at this point, since the anime is clearly known in the English-speaking world and, as shown in the references used within the article, that's how it's commonly referred and per WP:AT that common form is given preference in the article title. But the manga is the primary work so the focus of the article, according to the MOS:AM, should be the primary work and this is supposed to be reflected in cases where title disambiguation is necessary, which is the case with "Fighting Spirit". I personally think that "series" works better than "manga" in the title, but a large consensus would be needed to make an exception for the article title. Jfgslo (talk) 14:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

text: You are aware that fansubs and scanlations are not reliable sources, right? Even if piracy is big, reliable sources in English and verifiability are the threshold, not how many people know a series by fansubs, scanlations, fansites or any other form of unofficial sources. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Jfgslo (talk) 23:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

text: No, I said commonly known in English reliable sources. And that what it means when I said commonly referred, because reliable sources are the measure of usage in the English-speaking world. Fansubs and scanlantions are not reliable sources and are not a valid measure for common usage in the English speaking world, no matter how fans of them might perceive them. Jfgslo (talk) 04:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm in favor of making an exception in this case but, as you mentioned, first there needs to be a consensus, so more people need to express their opinion here. I'd say at least three more editors because we are trying to prove that it's a valid reason to make an exception. Jfgslo (talk) 04:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  name of the article 

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