Talk:Carl Benz

message: Trivia sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. --The_stuart 18:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section

message: Do we really need all these years Wikified? It seems sensible to link anybody's birth & death date, since if they're in Wikipedia, their birth & death is at least a little significant. Also important are the dates of anything that has made the person significant, such as of Benz's invention. But the relatively unimportant dates of his marriage and his retirement seem bad candidates for Wikification to me. Marriages are generally only signficant (for the rest of us) when dynasties are involved. BTW, I'm thinking primarily of making the "What Links Here?" pages for years more useful. -- Hotlorp
:What's the harm?  That's why I put them in, to make "What links here" more useful.  I imagine someday someone will want to create a timeline and the data will be there.  In the meantime, it's interesting to see what else was going on at the time that Marcel Duchamp hung the urinal on the gallery wall or Mr. Daimler met Mr. Benz.  And, to be able to do so either from the Karl Benz page or from the 1926 page. Ortolan88 07:31 Jul 30, 2002 (PDT)
But both your examples (Duchamp, Benz meets Daimler) meet my criterion of being important events, or events which turned out to have major consequences, for the rest of us, not just for the individual. You neglected to opine on the two examples I cited. There seems to me to be a distinction we can draw, linking only those dates which have significance beyond the page they're described on.
Basically, I can't see how the "What Links Here" pages for years are more useful if absolutely every mention of that year links there. It seems you want to ignore a useful distinction most Wiki editors can draw between the significant and the trivial. -- Hotlorp
:I'll try not to be compulsive about it, but I generally think, the more links, the merrier.  Regards, Ortolan88
Apologies for the tone of my previous message. (I should note that part of my objection to having everything linked is typographic -- it's distracting to have too many links in a text intended to be read.) I think the way I decide what to link is to avoid occasions for "overly casual" clicking around the encyclopedia, where there isn't a good reason for putting what's mentioned into context, or going into any more detail on that particular subject would not enhance one's understanding of that topic. Of course this is highly subjective. We all do this to some extent, working out a position some way inside the extreme of having every word linked (for example to a dictionary definition). -- Hotlorp
:I guess it depends on the wiki skin and settings, and the browser (stopped using Opera for ugliness issues) but I don't find the links obtrusive; usually they reassure me that the article I'm reading is wired in to the rest of the encyclopedia.  On the other hand, after a long night at this, when I'm reading in bed, sometimes individual words in my book appear in blue, making me want to click on them!  Ortolan88
Daimler and Benz never met each other personally, i recommend the german wikipedia sites. 
(Maybach and Daimler work together.) Benny
::Forget names, look at all the other crap that is linked.  Water?  Address?  New Years Eve?  If that isn't overkill I don't knwo what is.  TastyCakes 06:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's known as overlinking. The guideline is: Only make links that are relevant to the context. --Jtir 16:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikification of years 

message: It's pretty obvious a lot has been lost in the translation of this page.  There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make any sense, and even more stuff that is understandable but really bad english.  I went through and fixed most of it but then the stupid thing didn't save.  Could someone try and fix it up some?  TastyCakes 06:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixing this page

message: I was to add a note about the Benz unit, but neither it's page nor metre per second have enough information to justify a whole new section. I also couldn't add it on the other sections, which are about his companies history. Anyone know when did the SI comitee named m/s after him? 200.193.98.181 01:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The See also section has a link to Benz (unit). --Jtir 21:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benz unit 

message: ???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.199.163.158 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read benzene? --Jtir 21:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is [[benzene]] named after this guy?? 

message: The best sources on Benz seem to be in German. I have added three and translated the titles as well as I can. Could someone take a look at these translations? --Jtir 21:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't been able to find any English language bios other than ones written for young adults. Can anyone identify an authoritative bio? --Jtir 15:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  translations of titles in the References section 

message: Although the 2001 edition of his autobiography shows Carl Benz on the cover, and the German National Library catalogs it under Carl Benz,the full bibrec shows "/ Karl Benz" after the title. --Jtir 10:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bibrecs for Benz's autobiography 

message: DaimlerChrysler seems to have a large archive, including documents related to Benz. (The link seems to be broken.) --Jtir 19:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benz papers at the DaimlerChrysler Classic Konzernarchiv 

message: After waiting for a reasonable amount of time following my request for the editor who had changed the title of this article to reverse his renaming of the title, I have returned the title of the article to the previous spelling for the personal name of Karl Benz.83d40m 00:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Returned title to Karl Benz

message: Please familiarize yourself with the WP policy on Wikipedia:Consensus before continuing. --Jtir 12:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: moved note related to the Karl Benz article here

message: The entire discussion I posted here regarding why I changed the title to the article back to Karl Benz is missing from display here. handk 20:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  entire discussion posted and saved, missing ? 

message: Karl Benz (1936) This made me look, what is happening here. gone LeaNder 15:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi stamp 1936 -  Karl Benz 

message: Here, it says that Benz acquired a patent first, but on the Internal Combustion Engine page, it is said otherwise. Could someone get a source on that and clear both pages up? If this belongs in the Internal Combustion Engine discussion page, please move it there.
71.34.235.128 (talk) 20:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daimler vs Benz on patent 

message: Two things need fact-checking: "'faster than any plane, train, or automobile' at the time" & "a record not exceeded for ten years". The second is at least half true; this confirms the Blitzen Benz was fastest until 1919, but she broke her own record in 1914, so the article's claim is wrong. I can't figure out how to correct it without it getting complicated, so if somebody can....  Trekphiler (talk) 10:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 20th Century Limited

message: I've added the picture I added last time, it was removed. If there is any reason for having the other picture, put it here. I think the one I just added is better.
DineshAdv (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added pic again 

message: An Austrian Jew is the real inventor of the first modern Car! Fact!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.246.205.24 (talk) 11:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot build the first automobile in 1769  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.252.102 (talk) 06:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siegfried Marcus 

message: When I search "Benz & Cie" a redirect send me here... I find that very strange. Isn't there anyone else who thinks there should really be two articles, one about Karl Benz and one about the car-brand Benz? Both the make and the inventor seem to me to be important enough to write separate articles about. This is the case with Bugatti/Ettore Bugatti, Delahaye/Emile Delahaye, De Dion-Bouton/Georges Bouton and many, many more in Wikipedia. Many foreign-language Wikipedias also have separate articles for people and their inventions. It would seem to me that this invention (and hence, this make of cars) is important enough to have its own page. Mark in wiki (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  split article into Karl Benz and Benz & Cie 

message: I just reverted an edit and wrote "Undid [...] per WP:MOSFORMAT" as the edit summary. This should have been: "Undid [...] per WP:DATEFORMAT". Apologies. Mark in wiki (talk) 12:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Dates in the format of for instance "1844, November 25" should not be used on Wikipedia. See WP:DATEFORMAT for the relevant guidelines. I propose to revert back to the normal date notation (for instance "November 25, 1844") if nobody has any reasonable objections. Mark in wiki (talk) 10:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  mosformat 

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message: In this section, paragraph 5, we read: "Unique race vehicles were built at the time, as seen in the photograph here of the Benz, the first mid-engine and aerodynamically designed, Tropfenwagen"; but the "here" does not constitute a link, nor is there any image of the "Tropfelwagen" to be found anywhere in the article. 172.103.138.179 (talk) 20:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Benz Söhne 

message: The current (5 February 2022) reference 5 is to a Wordpress site and so probably not reliable. I found it via a list of typos and it seems to be a collectionn of random information in misspelled German.http://linx3314.wordpress.com/feed/   Karl Benz wurde als Karl Friedrich Michael Vaillant in heutige Kalruher Stadtteil Mühlburg geboren.  Sein Mutter hat ein man bei der name Johann Georg Benz.l Er storp eine veile nach das hochzeit. TSventon (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd think we can delete it altogether. The ref is only used in one instance, and the statement it supports has three other refs. Besides, when I click the link, my browser asks me how I want to run that application, which sounds a bit fishy to me... The ref is also not mentioned in the German-language article. Mark in wiki (talk) 16:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done removed it wants to install a rss feed Cyberwolf434344 (talk) 16:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor reference 

message: I've gone through the article in attempt to make the use of "Karl"/"Carl" as Benz's first name less confusing for the reader.  In most cases I've preferred the use of "Carl", in agreement with the article name.  I have no strong preference for either, but consistency is always to be preferred.
The article had a distinct look to it of someone doing a blanket find/replace to "Karl", which had left it in the ridiculous situation of "Karl" often being used right next to a cited source that used "Carl".  There also seemed to be a insistent and unnecessary use of his first name, in breach of MOS:SURNAME guidelines.  (There are a few places, however, where it is necessary to distinguish Carl from his wife Bertha.)
I also removed a few sentences where unsourced claims were made about the spelling of his name.  I see above there have been attempts to put something in the article that explains why/when/where/how Benz ended up with two spellings, but it appears to be a controversial topic that exercises many passing editors.  So I do not think it unreasonable that nothing should be in the article about it without a excellent source cited.  If any could be found, that would be excellent. Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl-Carl again