Talk:Emperor of China

message: This article has been vandalised by someone! 64.230.27.47 22:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism

message: The reason I put in the NPOV tag is that it subscribes to the sinification POV (i.e. sometimes the emperor started off as a barbarian but ended up adopting the great Chinese culture).  While this is a historically valid narrative, it is not the only one, and a lot of recent historical scholarship in the Yuan and Qing dynasty have pointed out how these rulers simulatenously combined both Chinese theories of rulership with Central Asia ones.
Roadrunner 03:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for the NPOV tag 

message: Just keep in mind, Emperor(皇帝) and Son of Heaven(天子) is two different things. As for emperor, he is ruler of certain nation. For example, Emperor Guo of Han was the ruler of the nation which was named HAN (ruling 15 counties at early Han dynasty). Emperor is nothing to do with other kings. However, for the son of heaven, he is the ruler of the world, all kings are under his rule. 125.232.127.196 08:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor and Son of Heaven 

message: The current "Empire of China" flag in the infobox is clearly inappropriate; it is neither the flag used by the short-lived Empire of China of Yuan Shikai, nor would that flag be proper for this article.  There shouldn't be a flag at all for a title that encompasses such a long history.  I'd remove the flag myself but I don't know how to edit infobox without leaving some ugly code.  Hopefully someone will do it soon. o (talk) 11:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: The use of :Image:Flag of the Republic of China 1912-1928.svg in this article is inappropriate. For one thing, it was only used by the Republic of China. The flag of Yuan Shikai's Empire of China (1915–1916) was actually :Image:YuanFlag1.svg. Similar to be sure, but different.
But more importantly, using Yuan Shikai's flag just because he was the last emperor chronologically is somewhat misleading. When people think of Imperial China or of the Chinese Emperor, they think of the period before the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912. Yuan Shikai may have technically been emperor, but he didn't succeed in re-establishing the old Empire in any way. He reigned for three months, and while that reign had implications for the history of the Republic, it didn't really have bearing on Imperial China. 
I mean, look at the first sentence of this page. "The Emperor of China (Chinese: 皇帝; pinyin: Huángdì) refers to any sovereign of Imperial China reigning since the founding of the Qin Dynasty in 221 BC until the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912." Or look at the History of China template, which defines the Imperial era as lasting from 221 BC to 1911. The only flag that's appropriate for that time period is :Image:China Qing Dynasty Flag 1889.svg. I'm reverting the page back to my version, and if anyone has objections to that, I would ask them to voice them here before reverting again. Orange Tuesday (talk)
:I absolutely agree. Colipon+(T) 04:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag in the infobox 

message: The "Monarchy ended" date in the infobox is March 22, 1916 CE, which is the end date of the short-lived Empire of China (1915–1916) of Yuan Shikai. IMO, as in the discussion above, the date should be changed to the end date of the Qing dynasty, February 12, 1912 CE. --Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 12:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of the end of the monarchy in infobox 

message: I suggest to separate the Manchu "Qing Dynasty" from the rest of Chinese Empire Series. This foreign ruling class was quite different from other periods of Chinese Monarchy, different language, different worship, different hereditary laws, different code of etiquette, different rites and protocol, etc.. Enough to make a new entry for the "Qing Monarchy". It is no good having to specifically make a note for the Qings in each of the sub-entries of China.
I am not trying to suggest a new page for every people that had ruled the land of China though, so may the Chinese fervents please stop attacking me with charges of dividing the Great China. Most of other ruling dynasties had the same code of etiquette, the same doctrine and the same worship system, and I think that's ok to be put together.
:You have over-exaggerated the differences among different dynasties or "different kinds of China". The similarities are always much more significant than the differences among the dynasties, including the Qing Dynasty you mentioned. --173.206.68.140 (talk) 18:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggesting Division of different kinds of China

message: Does Puyi have any descendants today?
--88.105.43.133 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Puyi has no direct descendants. There are descendants of the House of Aisin Gioro living today through other members of his family, although none are known to be publicly claiming to be royalty or emperor today. Some have even changed their surname to the Han-sinicized form of "Jīn" (金) from the Manchu clan name of "Aisin" (both mean "gold" in the respective languages), most likely to downplay their family's past heritage and live as regular Chinese citizens. 24.87.34.55 (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is the actual emperor now 

message: Could we possibly edit the photo to something more appropriate? The attire Puyi, as Emperor of Manchukuo is wearing is clearly not Chinese, and was not ever worn by any Emperor of China.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.7.6 (talk) 10:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am interested in talking about this, because two other people have put forth different images of Puyi. TansoShoshen (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am one of those people, and I suggest that it is more important for new readers to see Puyi as a child then see a better quality photo from when we wasn't Emperor of China. 167.91.2.226 (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The photo is of the Emperor of Machukuo, not of China. 

message: Is there such a person as the Emperor of China today? Does China have a monarch in or out of power? If my family's history is connected to China's history, am I now China's official succession emperor and head of state in exile? From 1368 to 1644 the Chun family from the Ming Dynasty governed all of China. In 1644 Manchurians conquered China and China's Imperial court (Jo clan) went underground into hiding and continued their succession and mandate. So, by history, this succession is legal and legitimate. http://himyaosui.wordpress.com. Does China, therefore, have an emperor today and how many nations in this world have emperors and kings? It, also, must be remembered that Manchurians are not of the Han-Chinese race of people and therefore can not be said to be Chinese! Errors in Wikipedia and in history should be corrected. 
Additionally, by whose authority do articles on China's history and articles on things Chinese appears here? Who decides who gets published and who gets deleted? By whose authority are such things done and are such people authority figures knowledgeable about China's history and Imperial system?
http://himyaosui.wordpress.com 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Himyaosui
I am a credible authority source. There is no one better than I am on China, China's history, and China's imperial family genealogy in or out of China.
Himyaosui (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a serious conflict of interest problem, see WP:COI. Even if you did not, unless you have published in what we call reliable sources, see WP:RS to understand what that means, your knowledge is what we call original research, see WP:NOR. You need to read Wikipedia:Verifiability as well. Meanwhile, please don't talk pages to make claims about your position. Dougweller (talk) 04:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Your family lost the Mandate of Heaven centuries ago.  Regain control of all China, and then we can talk about recognising you as Emperor. Wardog (talk) 08:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Question of the Existence of the Emperor of China 

message: Per the file description on Commons, this coat of arms image is a fictitious hoax. It is a misattributed coat of arms used only in one source (a Russian book), and there are no official Qing records that even mention a "coat of arms". Please, do not use this image. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 03:46, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Arms of the Qing Dynasty.svg]] is a hoax, do not use it 

message: The current article seems quite well-written. At the same time, it needs rewriting to explain (a) that it is advancing a particular POV and (b) what some of the other ones are. Between the two terms, if anything,  is the one that advances a "holy" narrative and makes out the possessor as a living god: Shangdi (or Di for short) was a henotheistic sky god intimately connected with Shang kingship.
The idea that  is the religious term and  was secular is (on its face) highly specious and needs to have the scholarship behind the claim explained very clearly. — LlywelynII 08:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost the whole entirely unsourced and very dubious essay that comprises the 'Origin and history' section was added by an IP in March 2011.  Why the changes weren't reverted at the time I don't know, but I would be in favour of completely removing the unsourced 'Origin and history' section, as it is better to have nothing on the topic than what we have at the moment. BabelStone (talk) 09:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah. But rewritten. — LlywelynII 04:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Highly dubious gloss on ''huangdi''

message: Per this edit, the usage of this page was established as  and . Kindly maintain it consistently. — LlywelynII 04:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:ERA]]

message: There is massive and widespread news coverage calling Xi Jinping the new Emperor of China. I'm not going to add something to this page due to this undoubtedly controversial issue, but in polite wikipedian terms will add the comment here that I support such a change if someone wants to make it. Jeff Carr (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine to mention it, but it should be done with better context and less focus on Xi. There has been massive and widespread coverage of every "paramount leader" of Communist China calling them a "new emperor"; the idea made one of the most poignant scenes in Oliver Stone's Nixon. Every strong Chinese leader for the rest of time is going to be "an emperor", and it's about as accurate (and snarky/POVy) as calling America's business interests and international allies its "empire". — LlywelynII 13:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to add Xi Jinping removal of term limits 

message: of huangdi was not "regnal imperium". There is no meaning to the term in Chinese apart from "emperor"although scholars sometimes like to throw in some mostly obfuscating context by translating it as "thearch"and its etymology is complicated enough that it needs to be addressed in a paragraph or six in the article itself. — LlywelynII 13:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The literal meaning

message: Shikai was the last Emperor of China, not Puyi. Puyi came back in 1917 but in the beginning of the page there is nothing that says 1917, only 1912. DaBiggestBird (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you hovered over [note 1]? 167.91.2.226 (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shikai and Puyi 

message: Personally, I think we should put things back to how User:Pentaxem last had them. However, I think we should discuss this. 167.91.2.226 (talk) 17:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate over formatting of infobox 

message: Discussion at Talk:List_of_emperors_of_the_Han_dynasty#Portraits, concerns some pictures in this article too. Your input is welcome. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some very modern portraits 

message: Is having a portrait of every emperor a misuse of galleries per site guidelines? — Remsense诉 04:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Historydiver it seems like images of each emperor should be on List of monarchs of China, not this page. Remsense诉 03:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery