Talk:Jack Bauer/Archive 1

message: What I'm talking about is there is "Day One", "Day 2", "Day Three" and "Season 4".  They need to be fixed so that there all consistent.  They need to all be in "days" or "seasons" and the number should be the digit or the written out.  But we should discuss if we should put in seasons or days. --AlexForche 03:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent Subheadings 

message: By the way, the sentence that is staring me in the face as I type, Wikipedia does not yet have a page called Jack Bauer, is sheer nonsense. It might read  does not yet have a talk page on Jack Bauer or something along these lines. <KF> 19:39, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: I don't think a full synopsis of the whole second season should be given, seeing how the first season got not much more than a paragraph mention. it'd take too long, and would spoil the ending for those who plan on renting, buying, or otherwise viewing the second season on DVD
Please, edit the article with spoiler warnings!!! i just read a crucial part of the 5th season i haven't seen yet. Damn...
193.198.134.117 02:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  spoiler 

message: look at Jack's profile at the official 24 website(http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/), it states: "Former Special Agent in Charge", not Director of CTU. This includes George Mason, Tony Almeida and the others who held the position.
Special Agent in Charge and Director are two interchangeable titles in this case.
Then both should be mentioned, as Special Agent in Charge is the formal job title.
In 24: The Official Companion, Seasons 1 & 2, it even states in black and white that Jack was the Special Agent in Charge during Season 1. Cubs Fan 17:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Director -> Special Agent in Charge 

message: I corrected "former Pres"; he wasn't, yet.  In fact, as I recall, he was running for Pres in Season 1.  Trekphiler 09:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sen Palmer 

message: Impress your friends by knowing Jack's access number was 4393.  (Impress them less by saying it was 4958, Vince Terranova's agent #.)  Trekphiler 09:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I'm putting the information "While there, he was the Team Leader for Operation Proteus and the Section Captain for the Hotel Los Angeles attack" back into the article. It should be in there because it's a part of his official profile. And we already have other info from that profile in the article, so this is no reason not to include it. -- OldRightist 16:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's background 

message: I have to confess to being shocked by the wording of the article. Sentences like 
: "Jack then eliminates him in retribution for slaying Palmer."
Why not "Jack then slays him in retribution for eliminating Palmer." ? Cld we not make it "Jack then executes him in vengeance for killing Palmer", or something less evidently favourable to this Bauer person ? Rama 19:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: has anyone else noticed that the Chinese have mysteriously forgotten about Jack? At the end of the fourth season Jack had to fake his death to stay away from the Chinese and now, even with the revelation that he is still alive, China seems not to care about him. You would think that China would ask for Jack and would get mad at the U.S. for hiding him. Should it be noted as odd that this hasn't happened yet?
P.S. I have taken into account that not many people are aware of Jack being alive yet. --JoeBlowfromKokomo 23:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With season 5 over, we now know the answer to this question. ;)  --209.92.182.76 13:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  China still after Jack? 

message: I think that Jack's Return is turning more into a summary of season 5, instead of a summary of Jack Bauer, like the other sections are. Like the Day 5 article cover the events of Day 5, and let Jack's Return cover the emotional and psychological impact Jack being alive has on everybody else. Just a thought. Tim 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Concern

message: :Exactly.  The summary of Day 5 is no doubt adding a lot of data to the 32kb warning.  The section should be merged into the Day 5 article, and I will add a template proposing that.  70.243.142.175 22:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: YES!

message: Really, now it's just a summary of the season.--Jasonflare 01:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to fix up Season 5 

message: Does anyone know what Jack Bauer's political views are?
This, along with some other facts would help shape the basic picture of Jack.
Nope, he only serves his country, Democratic or Replublican. --Jasonflare 05:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views 

message: The photo of Chloe and Edgar that Buchanan gave to Chloe at the end of Season 5 has "Jack is Dead" written on it backwards. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/abcampa/jackisdead.jpg
:I have a somewhat better pic here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/quicksilver1703/jackisdead.jpg Jondy 03:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's just because Jack has been 'dead' for 18 months before Day 5. Buchanan or Edgar, depending on who owned the photo before Bill gave it to Chloe, could have wrote "Jack is dead" for whatever reason on the closest thing, which just happened to be that photo. Tim 00:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Is Dead Photo 

message: My objection is that, if I didn't miss anything in seasons 1 and 2, the career path described in the wage is erroneous.  The stuff on the page is most likely wrong because one can only enters Delta by being a senior NCO in the army. If the wiki writer's claim is true, then Jack Bauer would need to get a univ. education, train for LAPD SWAT, volunteers an army career and STARTS FROM BUCK PRIVATE before becoming a Delta member. This is implausible because the physical and mental demands of being in a boot camp with 18-19 year olds, the army's low pay grade for a buck private, and being selected for Delta as a man pass his thirties (very old by army standards)! More likely is that Jack Bauer enters the military, becomes selected for Delta, retired, gets his education, THEN becomes involved with CIA, LAPD and CTU. This is also a more typical career path for former military personel.
no its not, thats a stupid statement there is no set career plan for joining the army a large number of people join the army after they have completed there education.
:Completing a university education would require him to be about his early twenties once he volunteers for the military; then, getting into LAPD SWAT would require a few more years. This means that he would be in his mid-to-late twenties by the time he volunteers for the military, starts off at private, and then works his way into Delta Force by his mid-thirties. Rather implausible, even for Jack Bauer. Peptuck 15:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Backgroud

message: The Jack Bauer page here on Wikipedia is turning into a summary of the entire 24 franchise instead of a summary of Jack Bauer. This article needs major cleanup. It is WAY too long. I cut it down majorly once before, but someone has added everything back again. If you ask me, we need to take out all of the sections on this page pertaining to days 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and the game. All they are are summaries of 24 which can easily be found on other pages of this site. Does anyone else agree with me?
:Agree completely. There are episode summaries and links to the 24 wikicities. 24 wikicities is the place for absolute details, not a general interest encyclopedia like Wikipedia. — Deckiller 04:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page needs cleanup 

message: It appears jackbauer.org is hold by an artist of the same name, who did exhibitions in Wien, New York and Berlin? Notable or disamb? 195.70.32.136 13:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The art of Jack Bauer 

message: Jack Bauer could be said to be redundant; "der Bauer" in German could be translated as "jack" (in the sense of a peasant.) Spazlink 19:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: :1. Well written? Fail
:2. Factually accurate? Pass
:3. Broad in coverage? Fail
:4. Neutral point of view? Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images? Pass
Additional comments :
* The article doesn't comform with writing about fiction, especially the Appearances section.
* It might not be broad enough, missing a reception section, a filming section.
* It also lacks reference wise.
Lincher 00:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA failed

message: What is the deal with this sentence? "Bauer is the widower of Teri Bauer and father of Kim Bauer." It's been going back and forth. I don't watch 24. I'm only watchlisting this article because it suffers periodic vandalism. Could someone who watches the show please rewrite or reposition this sentence so everybody will like it? Could Jack's familial ties really be up for such disagreement? Thanks, Noit 20:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been pointed out that this line is a plot spoiler. I think we can agreee to keep such information inside the spoiler tags. Especially for a series that relies on suspense. Noit 21:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert War 

message: In the recent CNN Special with Kiefer Sutherland, towards the end he explains there will be a storyline involving his brother and father. Why isn't the brother on the front page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.224.143.85 (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brother

message: The description of the personality and psychology of Jack Bauer is too one-sided.  Bauer does not always do what’s right even though many of his extreme actions that in retrospect proved to be right gives that impression. What I miss is an analysis of his cold-blooded killings of Nina Bauer in season 3 and of Christopher Henderson in the end of season 5. These killings were pure personal revenge and had no rational logic to them.  (I also guess that the sailor who witnessed the season 5 killing will be used in season 6 for some purpose.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MaxPont (talk • contribs) 11:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing: Bauers darker sides

message: Has there been a confirmed date on when Jack's birthday is? Darrik2 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthday

message: I have removed this paragraph because it does not cite any sources and appears to my eyes to be entirely original research.  A quick & dirty google revealed a few unreliable sources speculating about it, but absolutely nothing verifiable.  If you can provide and cite sources, please feel free to restore the text.  Thanks, —bbatsell ¿? 07:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Explain to me how someone is supposed to cite a coincidence like Jack Bauer's name coincides with the highest card in the game Euchre?  It's true and verifiable.  What's the problem? JakeZ 23:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... please read WP:OR.  Our policies are quite clear about what the problem is.  —bbatsell ¿? 18:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance of name 

message: I heard through many sources that Jack Bauer is indeed the main villain of 24. The real heroes of the show are the freedom fighters, who constantly are at war with the evil power hungry CTU. They attack CTU offices and kill agents with no remorse who have killed numerous innocent lives. I think the "villians" and the "heroes" should be switched. OfficerPhil 02:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/OfficerPhil , I am certain we can safely say he is primarily a vandal, with few productive edits, and may be ignored as a crackpot. Chris 05:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Status as a Villain

message: Does anyone know what gun Jack carries? C0N6R355 17:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article claims it to be a 9mm H&K; does anyone know where this is mentioned in the show?  --dinomite 02:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out this photograph. C0N6R355 23:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's Gun 

message: I added a weapons section. In case anyone was wondering, the IP address that added to it the first was also me, I forgot to sign in. C0N6R355 13:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll say right off the bat that I think including a list of weapons is a bit dubious, but there are some things that obviously don't belong. I just reverted an edit that mentioned Bauer using his teeth as a weapon - what's next? Will we list fists, feet, and elbows too? PaladinWhite 12:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with you about the teeth (I didn't add that, I meant the first IP address). However, I chose to add the weapons for a couple of reasons. The main is that it shows the depth of Jack Bauer's skills. It illustrates that he can use revolvers, automatics, sub and fully automatic machine guns, sniper rifles, and knives. An equipment used section also shows Jack's creativity and the resources that he has to support him. However, since the title of this sections is "Weapons and Equipent", I have two requests. First is that I would like people to really think if what they're adding is a weapon or a piece of equipment. For example, I thought about adding CQC, but refrained as it is not a weaon per se, but rather a learned version of martial arts. This would go under a section entitled "Training". My second (and last) point is that I'd like to ask people to go back to the showand look for any equipment Jack carries (thermal sensor, night vision, anything) and add it. I think I've typed enough now! C0N6R355 23:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons & Equipment 

message: Could someone give a source for any claims of Jack's date of birth? C0N6R355talkcontribs 23:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: Since when is the guy in the photograph on the right Jack Bauer? That's a perfect example of a vandalism and should be changed immediately. 89.79.125.214 07:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo on the right 

message: The Bauer family tree shows Carol as Terri’s sister not Jack’s. I thought in season 2 either Tony or Michele remarked to Jack they were going to get Kim to “your sister’s” or “we called your sister”. I cannot recall the exact episode.
Although Aunt Carol is mentioned hundreds of times in season 2 she never appears except in a deleted scene when Kim calls her before entering the connivance store which is robbed. This scene was edited out due to Elisha Cuthbert letting her Canadian accent slip by saying, “I have a friend in hospital.” not “the hospital.”
What is the basis for Carol being Terri’s sister? (CWC)
- I imagine that it's because she didn't get involved at all during the Bauer Family Crisis of Season 6.  When I first heard Aunt Carol, I assumed it was Teri's sister.  I'll check my season 2 later to see if there's any clarification on that. Kirobaito
   --Don't you mean the family crisis of season 1, not 6? -wj
--- No, season 6.  Season 6 involved Jack fighting his dad and his brother.  If there was another sibling there, I think he or she would have come up somewhere.  At least, I'd hope.  If she's not Jack's sister, that pretty much only leaves one possibility... Kirobaito 04:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aunt Carol

message: As per the talk page of Josh Bauer, someone needs to edit through the 24 character pages, and change all references to Graem Bauer being the father of Josh Bauer. He's actually Jack Bauer's brother, as stated in the offical 24 magazine.
Q: A lot of fans speculated that Jack was the real father of Josh Bauer, so were you surprised when you read that Josh was actually Phillip's son?
A: Oh my God, I walked around the set going, "I had sex with James Cromwell? What?!" They were like, "Yeah, you did!" and I'm like, "I slept with every single Bauer - that is so disgusting!" (Laughs). But I didn't...I didn't have sex with Phillip Bauer. What happened was that Graem and I couldn't have a child, so they went to a sperm bank and Phillip implants his sperm, which makes sense as to why he is so incredibly insane about his legacy.
That was from Rena Sofer's part of the interview. Paul McCrane also confirmed it. Sod Aries 02:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs changing to reflect major character changes

message: Is there any official source for what year Season 6 took place in? Some say 2011, some say 2012, some say 2013. There were reports that the phones on the CTU set all had 2012 dates but again nothing concrete. In the light of no apparent confirmation, I think perhaps Jack's age should be omitted, since its not entirely clear what age he is as of Season 6 (even though we now have his DOB). --Dreamer84 23:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None as far as I can tell. Best to keep it simple and leave it out. — Deckiller 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Says who? Most places I've seen are saying 2011. And even then there's nothing official. All we know is that Season 6 takes place just over 9 years from Season 1. Assuming the 24 followed the real world and had the California Presidential Primaries in 2000, 2002 and 2004, that means that 24's sixth season either took place in 2009, 2011 or 2013. But we don't know which! --Dreamer84 21:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack's Age

message: While I'm not a fan of 24, I *am* a big fan of Deus Ex.  This article says that there is a reference to Jack Bauer in Deus Ex, but I have no recollection of this, at least not in the original release of Deus Ex.  At the very least, Deus Ex was released in 2000, and the first showing of 24 was in 2001, so it would make it difficult to reference a character that did not yet exist in fiction.  Maybe they mean the sequel, Invisible War?  Can someone confirm or deny this reference? ApokalypseCow 14:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deus Ex Reference?  Where?

message: The top three Google results for "Kiefer Sutherland height" list him as ranging from 5'9" to 5'11".  Does anyone know of a reliable source?
--dinomite 14:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:JackB4.jpg

message: "worked in various capacities as a government agent, including US Army Delta Force, LAPD SWAT," I'm not a watcher of 24, but hasn't he worked for CTU throughout the entire series? Though he may have done other stuff between the end of one season and the beginning of the next, in each season hasn't he been 'working for' (either officially or unofficially) CTU? 199.71.183.2 (talk) 17:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Works for...

message: I made some changes and there are more that should probably happen:
1) Bio said after receiving his Bachelors and Masters he joined the Army. Nothing in the bio from Fox (the only source listed) indicates that he got both degrees, then went to the Army. Where i the source for this?
2) It says he enlisted and became a Special Forces Officer. It is much more common to join as an officer if you have a degree than to enlist, then try to become an officer later. Where is the source for this?
3) Nothing in the Fox bio says he was an officer or in Special Forces Branch. He was in Detla, which falls under Special Operations Command, but draws members from all branches in the Army. It also says he was "offered". People aren't offered Delta, the selection process is highly competitive. Where is a source saying he was SF first.
4) The bio lists several military decorations. Do we have a source we can use?
5) The Fox bio doesn't show him working for the CIA. Is there a source we can use on that?
I love the show. I am just trying to get this straight before some 24 hating wikinazi shows up and starts putting fact|date tags on everything. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack's bio

message: How many people has Bauer killed in 6 seasons of 24?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.1.18 (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Death Count=

message: This article, while a very good start, has several major flaws that, at this time will prevent it from being declared a good article.  The first and foremost is the widespread lack of references  throughout the entire article this problem is rampant.  For those interested in improving the article this would be an excellent place to start.  
The prose could be improved overall, but is definitely a good start.  I'd focus on the Characteristics section first, and from there tweak the rest.
In the appearances section, some portions could be beefed up to more or less match the others, and some of the longer ones could be trimmed down so as not to go into comparatively too much detail.  Perhaps look at increasing the information contained in the non-plot summary sections to maintain the overall balance.
On the positive, the article does have a fairly broad scope, is more or less neutral and stable, and is decently imaged, although it could possibly use one or two more.
I have rated this article B class on the assessment scale. --Liempt (talk) 05:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving to GA status

message: The card Jack is called Boer in Dutch which is Bauer in German,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.135.244.223 (talk) 23:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "bowers", the two jacks of the same colour as the trump suit, are also the high cards in Euchre. While I don't believe there's any actual confirmation that these facts inspired the character's name, I think it might be worth mentioning as an aside. I want to see what you guys think before making the addition. Sikyanakotik (talk) 03:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  name