Talk:Shadows Fall

message: There are serious neutrality issues with this article. It reads like an advertisement for the band.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.43.54 (talk) 02:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: anybody noticed that there are quite a few bands that combine both thrash metal and metalcore. There should be a genre called thrash metalcore, not refering to thrashcore or neo-thrash
A...hem...
That is a good point, but let me direct you to this article. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 21:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thrash Metalcore...

message: I removed Westfield from their page and added Springfield.  Cite their myspace page.  Iamvery October 18, 2006
Again, someone changed their location to Westfield.  The general consensus is that they come from Springfield not Westfield.  Their myspace page maintains that fact.  Please provide proof that they are in fact from Westfield.  Minor issue, but nonetheless, it should be resolved.  Once proof is validated, I will be amenable to showing their location as Westfield. Iamvery 20:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Springfield 

message: Do we need a link to every band member on here? I checked the links, and they are all stubs stating the same thing in here, plus what type of instrument they use. Besides the former member who is with Killswitch Engage, I don't see the point in this...I propose the pages redirect to here, like Paul Romanko's link. Jlricherson 08:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: uh why then do we need links at all if they redirect (i'm talking about the Paul Romanko link)? backstabb 20:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: i can't find any evidence that he ever was, he produced their first album, but that hardly makes him a member. i'm removing him. if someone can find verifiable evidence that he was in fact a bona-fide member then they can put him back in the former members section.65.43.208.60 09:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Members 

message: Why not just add an "associated acts" section and keep it at that. Trivium9786 13:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Do We Have A Related Bands Section...? 

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message: In the history field for the band, it states: Shadows Fall was considered one of the best new bands on the tour[citation needed] and sold more albums on each stop than other bands that appeared on the side-stage.[citation needed]
Is there verifiable encyclopedic proof that would validate this claim?  I feel if none can be provided this should be removed.  If a valid citation is provided then the entry should be edited to meet the policy of Neutral point of view WP:NEU
Mikearmyhockey 04:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed 

message: The result was: Merge, by silent consensus. --B. Wolterding 16:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposed (Jonathan Donais) 

message: Does anyone know if these guys are the main act or are Static-X, I see them on Oct, 10 2007. Skeeker [Talk] 03:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opperation Annihalation Tour

message: Since when? Sources, please? Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 00:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-thrash?

message: Shadows Fall is a Christian heavy Metal Band Look it up, Gosh Flippin Idiots.
Prince Of All Saiyans 14:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I've ever heard them referred to as Christian.Inhumer (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the members are Christians, and sometimes shows in their lyrics, but they are not a "Christian band". —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 21:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thats like calling Deicide a Christian band because Ralph is Roman Catholic.Inhumer (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Were you refering to me or Prince Of All Saiyans? —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 18:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Him. Inhumer (talk) 18:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard Shadows fall were a Buddhist band, and a lot of their lyrics do reflect dhammic themes 130.88.117.216 (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadows Fall is not Thrash-Metal Core

message: *"Since its formation, Shadows Fall has released five studio albums, two compilation albums, and one DVD." - Only compilation is linked. Link everything or nothign
*"is regarded as one of heavy metal's best drummers." - isn't mentioned later in the article. Shouldn't really be in the lead (or else needs sourcing)
*"The band released its first demo To Ashes" - according to the navbox it was an EP. Say that
*"left to form the band Killswitch Engage." - "the band" isn't necessary
*"The band recorded its second studio album Of One Blood with Fair on vocals in 2000. The release included re-recorded songs from Somber Eyes to the Sky. " - Try merging these sentences (and the short stubby sentences around this stuff)
*"on The War Within." - Obviously he's referring to that album, not sure this statement is needed
*""Redemption" received a Grammy Award nomination for Best Metal performance, the award ceremony will be held on 10 February 2008" - semicolon more appropriate than a comma here
Leave a note on my talk page when you're done. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 23:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 00:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Passed. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: This band has never played that style, I believe. One user in particular keeps adding it back in, providing a source from All Music Guide. The problem with this source is that it does not call them thrash in the review at all. It says it off to the side (in an infobox) and the AMG infoboxes are notoriously bad for genres. You will notice if you look them up on AMG that the infbox also calls them death/black metal. That is blatantly wrong. And so is the idea that this band plays thrash. Perhaps it has some thrash influence but it does not play thrash. Find some sources if you want. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact I just went to AMG and looked through all the reviews of Shadows Fall and not one mentions "thrash" anywhere. It only mentions thrash once for their latest album under styles in the infobox. It has already been determined that the infoboxes on AMG are unreliable and they are not used. Only the reviews themselves are used. If you believe those infoboxes then Shadows Fall is also punk metal and black/death metal. I mean the infoboxes on AMG also call both Opeth and Nightwish symphonic black metal and gothic metal. Neither of those bands has ever played black metal at all, in any form, and neither of them have ever played gothic metal. Bottom line is this. We use reviews from AMG, not their infoboxes off to the side, which are notoriously inaccurate. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, I found a different source. Not sure why you would be the one warning me, especially considering you are involved, and have been warned in the past yourself. Burningclean [speak] 02:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I warned you because you were edit warring without even talking about it. My past indiscretions are not being discussed here. I've never been warned about this page, either. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 03:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I removed your source as it said, "thrash revisionists," which is very ambiguous and does not mean thy play thrash metal. In fact, "revisionists," would imply that they do not play the thrash metal style, but something more post-thrash (perhaps) like groove metal. The comment is way too ambiguous. I don't even understand how you could think that SF plays thrash metal. They play nothing close to the style. You can't even possibly compare them to any thrash band. I don't mean it as an insult at all, but you must not listen to any thrash metal. Even melodic thrash metal has nothing in common with this band. If you still want to add it in we should have a consensus discussion and have a bunch of people say what they think and gather some consensus. That would be the proper wikipedia way, I suppose. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 03:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Alright, we're gonna gather some consensus here. I vote that Shadows Fall is metalcore. Now I will let other users decide what they think the genre of the band is. I should also point out that when I say "metalcore," I mean that I think SF has played exclusively metalcore. I mean, I think everyone agrees they play metalcore, its just that Burningclean also thinks they play thrash metal. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First thing I did upon reading this (I havn't read all the replies, so forgive me if this has been mentioned) was went to the Metal Archives. If you go to Metallum and type in Shadows Fall, you'll see that it states they are both thrash and metalcore. Personally, I'd agree with Nav and call them metalcore, but there is a source for both - although Nav is correct in saying that the AMG infobox's are hilariously bad; I believe it stated that Nightwish were symphonic black metal, which is laughable. ≈ The Haunted Angel 22:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, I still think it's total crap, but there's sources that say they're thrash mixed with metalcore. I think most of these sources are deluded and happing on a "bandwagon" of newer bands and giving them labels, that actually belong to other bands, to try and remind people of the glory days and say, "hey, this new band is just like those bands," which is laughable. I mean, Kameejl you hunted up a sentence that said, "If Lamb of God are stylistically akin to Megadeth and Slayer, Shadows Fall keep things a bit more simple and accessible, like Exodus and Anthrax." Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? First of all Lamb of God is nothing like Megadeth or Slayer. Megadeth and Slayer are both thrash (though at different spectrums of brutality) and Lamb of God is GROOVE METAL. How can they even  be compared? Why? Because of some of these newer magazine-type idiots that try to compare newer bands to older bands (which were actually good) and hopelessly failing to most real metal fans. But then, most of you do believe that SF are at least slightly thrashy and you've provided sources. I guess add it back in. It can't be fought anymore. Now excuse me while I go dig up some "reliable sources" that call Slipshit black metal. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Y'know, this is really unbelieveable. First, it's not usually that hard to find reliable sources to back up just about anything. Second, metalcore bands often get compared to thrash metal bands (because some of these idiots think it's the goddamn second-coming of extreme-but-mainstream-metal like thrash was for a while. So they get mislabled thrash. It's crap. Next thing y'know, bands like God Forbid and All That Remains and As I Lay Dying will be labeled thrash. I'm sure there's sources for it. It makes me think of something horrid i saw last night. I went to Paganfest to see Tyr, Eluveitie, Suidakra, Turisas and Ensiferum (which of course ruled) and I saw a poster for an upcoming band performance and it was Death Angel (DEATH ANGEL people!!! Thrash metal Gods, Death Angel!) performing with (guess who?) God Forbid...I stared in slack-jawed disbelief like some lightning-struck retard, as if some sort of perverse act had been commited in front of me (and it had). WTF! That's all I could think. How could this intense blasphemy/heresy be happening! Such a great like Death Angel performing with such a shitty metalcore band like GF. Now look, people can listen to whatever the hell they want to (as long as it's not near me for too long) but I just think it's total sacrilege to put such differing bands together. I'm betting no God Forbid fans have even heard of Death Angel. That's bullshit. I'm distressed. Metal is failing. The only areas where metal is getting better is in newer genres like folk metal/Viking metal and some progressive metal bands. Pretty much every other metal subgenre is worsening steadily. And if people start calling metalcore "thrash metal" and it actually becomes the new thrash metal or is considered the "evolution" of it or something...well, I'm gonna shit my pants. I hope I'm dead before that ever happens. Thrash metal is raw, blindingly fast, technical and angry. That isn't metalcore and fuck metalcore. Simplistic, non-talented, whiny, mainstream wanna be, angsty bullshit that goes out of its way to appeal to teens. Man, most metal doesn't even go out of its way to be appealing to any audience, period. Fuck that. This is goddamn good music and if you don't like it, get the fuck out! We won't change for shit! Well except for ourselves of course and it won't be selling out to anything mainstream, damnit! Whatever. Thrash metal is dead, and it died a long time ago. As far as I'm concerned, metalcore isn't even metal. Just like all those nu metal goths that prance around thinking they're so evil and that they're the shit and their music is "EXTREME!" You listen to rap, dumbass, how extreme can it be? Fuck that shit. Hail real metal. And hail Odin. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 00:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You might disagree but Shadows Fall is often compared to thrash metal bands in the media. I too think they're metalcore. But that's how we do things on wikipedia. I've been in similar situations with Between the Buried and Me, Pantera, Avant-garde metal and Static-X. The editors at Static-X think the band isn't nu metal. I've got 10 sources mentioning nu metal and still, nu metal is repeatedly removed from the infobox... Let it slide... Kameejl (Talk) 00:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, but it's hard, argh. It's so maddening. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: All I have to say about all this is the fact you don't seem to understand progression.  Look at melodic death metal.  Look at doom, death and yes, what you're arguing about, thrash.  All have evolved.  It's natural, it's called bands today don't want to copy bands from 20 years ago, they'd like to have their own sound, while retaining the qualities that made that sub-genre.  By ranting which is WP:FORUM anyways doesn't get your point across it just sends a negative message. -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do understand progression. Most of the bands I like are extremely progressive. Genres evolve, yes, but sometimes they evolve badly and/or people starting calling them another genre and it sticks. What we call metalcore now may very well be called thrash metal in a few years and that thought bugs nme a lot. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't agree that Shadows Fall is thrash, but if sources say otherwise I guess metalcore/thrash is fair enough. Bloodredchaos (talk) 06:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash metal 

message: I've seen in a few interviews that the lyrics in their songs is influenced by Buddhism and Hinduism.  Here: "Interview 1" Brian says:
"Also, I try to turn kids onto different philosophies and schools of thought that they may not have been turned on to, definitely through metal. I stay away from the evil satanic side of things. I've been influenced by Eastern philosophy, a lot of Buddhist and Hindu thought, and I try to infuse a lot of that into our work. I study meditation and yoga and try to talk about that. I also talk about personal things, like problems that I?ve had with friends drinking. I like to talk about personal relationships."
Here: "Interview 2" he says:
"Lyrically these songs came from sources as vast as the Chinese Buddhist teachings of Bodhi Dharma to the drunken ranting of Bukowski. I've read countless volumes of poetry and literature as well as philosophy and religion."
It seems in these two separate interviews Brian is saying he gets his influence from Buddhism (amongst other sources).  Should this be included somewhere in the main page?  Mawkish1983 (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: I decided to add Everblack Industries to the band's record company section. Once I saw that there wasn't a seperate wikipedia page for the band's own record company, I decided to begin setting one up. However, I am still new to wikipedia, so if anyone wants to help and contribute to it, please do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steelrhino8 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: The citation given url=http://www.thegauntlet.com/interviews/369/Disgust.html doesn't support the claim. The previous Asia Gauntlet citation was a 404. EaswarH 23:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern philosophy? 

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