Talk:Digital signage

message: The Wikipedia page for Digital Signage had become an advertisement for the few companies that have a Wikipedia page. Please add MORE links to the external links of media, events and companies that provide Digital Signage, Kiosks and Menu Boards.
Itsallaboutsatellites (talk) 21:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, please do not add links. Per the external links guidelines, we should not have a list of external links to companies here. - MrOllie (talk) 05:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement

message: Anybody here think it's funny that the statement that Digital Signage can provide higher ROI is supported by a vendor-sponsored "ROI" calculator that seems to throw numbers out of thin air?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.221.22 (talk) 04:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: yea, kinda. oh wait do you mean funny haahaa  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.223.104 (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ROI

message: I am seeing products that are offering content creation at a fraction of the cost and time using existing "projects" converted to proprietary formats.  Unless you already have your own content creation projects, contracts, groups, is this not suggesting to pirate and use other people's work?  Which I am sure is the same thing as copy a Rembrant and passing it off as your own, especially in a wide open advertising digital signage scheme?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.152.52 (talk) 11:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intellectual Property and copyrights 

message: I'm not sure that the paragraph below is at all helpful:
The large number of terms that have emerged to describe the nascent industry led Point of Purchase Advertising International (POPAI) to form a digital signage standards group in 2005. This group is currently tasked with assembling a list of standard terminology for describing digital signage technology and business models. It is expected to release a final list of its recommendations in 2006.
I think the section on POPAI needs more citing/linking. I've tried to find out more about this alleged list of recommendations but even the POPAI digital site seems to have nothing on it. What's more, its directory doesn't list any of the five digital signage companies I've seen presenting their products. HOw unbiased is POPAI and how useful? --Rhi 16:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: POPAI is a legendary organization in the retail industry (active members include McDonald's, PEPSI, Coca Cola, P&G, etc., the LARGEST buyer list of digital signage!!). If POPAI establishes anything, there is no reason why it is not a significant reference. They have REAL customers. We need to make people aware what the real drivers to the industry is (definitely not any supplier or commentator, but real buyers), and understand the full depth and impact that is coming. --Jcwang (talk) 04:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Loaded phrases like "legendary organization" are not needed here to promote POPAI. My point was that it's not the only organization doing what they do and their standards are not yet adopted. As such, putting them on this article prematurely (and as a promotional piece) is not in accordance with Wikipedia's general policy. Perhaps if the tone of the section was more neutral and didn't make it appear as though POPAI were somehow in charge of the digital signage industry? Possibly highlighting that the standards are new with an aim to unify the industry, but not yet actually in mainstream use? However, I am just one voice and I'm happy to leave it as is if the people here are in agreement with you. What do others think?  Legion722 (talk) 03:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. What I meant was that POPAI is probably the industry's oldest organization (since 1936) with the largest potential customerbase (retail brands) which make the organization significant. The aim is not to promote POPAI, but make the industry aware of the progress in standardizing digital signage (also voted #1 key factor to mold the industry in F&S's 2007 industry report). If anyone can suggest a toned-down wording to state the fact that POPAI has release the industry's first standard for the benefit of us all, please feel free to suggest. Removing it altogether is not the best way to carry forward this idea. --Jcwang (talk) 02:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you're saying and I can fully appreciate that POPAI is a significant organisation, arguably a significant organisation for digital signage (which, by the way, didn't exist in 1936). I believe my more recent edit reflects what we're both trying to say and still gets the point across. Eg. That POPAI has released the first of a series of documents which aim to provide a standardisation within the industry. However, this standardisation is still new and not fully adopted (especially not globally). Wikipedia is not a blog or a forum for new things, or regional things. I think we should just leave at saying there are efforts to standardise the industry and this is one of them.Legion722 (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Actually, on a further re-reading, why does this require a new section called "Standards"? Can it not go into point 2. of the progress in "Issues and Progress"? As I said above, these standards are not yet adopted (no matter how important POPAI is), so they aren't 'Standards' yet. They're just 'proposed standards'. Would moving it to the "Issues and Progress" section be acceptable? --Legion722 (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POPAI

message: I have edited a large amount of the Content section. It was getting far too confusing and missing the point of what 'content' on 'digital signage' actually is. It was full of references to Fifth Screen (a page with very little detail}, which is a concept and not a replacement term for 'digital signage'. I have cited almost all the sources of the things which are written, however I am aware that such a large amount of changes may upset people. Furthermore to this, I feel that the whole digital signage article is getting far too long, with too much irrelevant and unnecessary detail. Unless there is a significant objection, I intend to have a look at the Technology section and attempt to clairfy it. I would also like some help writing a a History section, which considering the age of digital signage, is very much needed.Legion722 (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the article is a bit of a mess and waffly in parts. I don't think it's too long overall, though - probably about the right length. Barnabypage (talk) 11:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now edited the detail in the Content section. Mostly, it was removing or moving irrelevant information (such as detail about internet access or mobile phones) and adding some detail about what displays, playback/content management and networks actually mean when it comes to digital signage. I would like next to approach the  Issues and progress section, and try to cite some of the claims made.Legion722 (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just put in a whole load of  tags as well as making other general edits. It would certainly improve the article a lot if we could deal with the citations issue. Barnabypage (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I too agree that the article is a bit of a mess.  I did some work to get consistency in what the components are called, a 'media player' for instance for the playback component.  I did delete one paragraph which seemed totally irrelevant (discussing the pricing factors for LCD displays).  Clarified some of the networking section too. App (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Content

message: Would anyone object to me removing conversation threads which are older than 2007? This talk page seems a bit cluttered with old conversations.Legion722 (talk) 09:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please do archive them. Barnabypage (talk) 11:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Archive of posts from 2006 or before can be found at Talk:Digital signage/Archive 1Legion722 (talk) 13:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: I think that Digital Signage Broadcasting (DSB) has some duplication of information from Digital signage (DS), and that both articles would benefit being merged together. The DSB article is fairly over-technical, with a degree of unsubstantiated claims. But the information it gets to might be of more interest on the DS page. What do other people think?Legion722 (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 100%, with the proviso that - as you say - there's a lot of speculation and POV on Digital signage broadcasting, not uninteresting but not appropriate here. Besides, "digital signage broadcasting" is not a common phrase and the article is an orphan, so as it stands it's probably wasted. Barnabypage (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged the article in. When I actually took the time to read the (mostly nonsensical) article, I found it was full of rehtoric, POV and duplication, mostly on IPTV (which has it's own article). If anyone has a good reason why "Digital signage broadcasting" should be seen in it's own light (whatever that is), then please go ahead and either discuss it here, or rewrite the article with references, explainations and detail. Legion722 (talk) 14:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Does anyone else think that "adfotainment" is a made up term and one which should perhaps be left out of an article on Digital signage? I have posted my views on the Talk:adfotainment page, so please discuss it there. However, my question for this talk page is: should we use "adfotainment" on the digital signage article when it is (at best) a niche term only used by a handful of people? - Legion722 (talk) 16:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it's an imaginary word - I've certainly never seen or heard it except on this page (and I've worked in the digital signage sector for five years). See also my comments on Talk:adfotainment. Barnabypage (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed "adfotainment" and reintroduced the term "DOOH" (with reference to a conference about DOOH). Also, it may interest people to read this article from DailyDOOH - http://www.dailydooh.com/archives/9563 --Legion722 (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: adfotainment

message: What about digital billboards? It seems they should fall under the category of "digital signage", but they are not mentioned in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.5.49.253 (talk) 02:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital billboards 

message: In regards to the content of this artile my site is more relevant than the other external links, should I put it onto the External Links section?
My site is www.allsee-tech.com
Is has multiple signage solutions and there are no prices as it is not a retail site.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AllSeeTech (talk • contribs) 17:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you should not add your site to Wikipedia. See WP:ELNO. - MrOllie (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant External Links 

message: I'm not sure why Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language is an important standard here for digital signage, say over HTML5? Seems like a company is pushing it's invested technology stack. Hendry (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  SMIL 

message: Since there was a glaring lack of references to OSS. I added one, but did not want to add more as this seem to be the incorrect way. Jimwelch (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because there was no third party sourcing to establish importance. - MrOllie (talk) 22:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Source Solutions 

message: I'm not sure about the prominence given to Environmental Graphic Designers in the lead para. While they obviously play an important part in digital signage, the reality is that a very large number of installations are not designed by these particular professionals. Anyone else have any opinions on this, pro or con? Barnabypage (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:   Environmental Graphic Designers 

message: Outdated - Due to the sales volume, drop in prices, advent of network and computational powers, digital signage industry has evolved rapidly in the last few years. However, none of the latest development is updated in this article. 
Poor Quality - Most of the text is suspected to have copied from another website.  Plus, it is really low quality.  Need a major revamp. 
Over focussed on certain aspects - Not balanced.  Does not give an clear overview of the digital signage industry, its uses and its futures. 
Commercially Motivated[ - Promoting certain technologies which are not important for the current and future of the digital signage industry. 
Technodudes (talk) 05:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Major revisions required 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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replies: text: Eyefactive is a commercial company selling "digital solutions", so any links to their website would be considered as spam. . . Mean as custard (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion For your Dead Links 

message: # Citations: As far as citations are concerned, any editor is ablre to remove citations that are spam. A better option, however, would simply be to replace spam references with superior references from books or journal articles.
# Re-organisation: I have no idea what is meant by "improvement to old sections" - could this be a little more specific?
# New sections:  
(a) There is already a section devoted to industry overview - and this is arguably where the suggested content on industry size belongs. If you are going to discuss industry size, market worth etc - would this be global coverage? Is it even possible to source market value/size at a global level? If not, would the coverage be US-based or would it be necessary to provide information for every country - some 90 odd nations or just the English speaking nations? And, where would the data come from? 
(b) The use of different digital signage in different industries needs a reconceptualisation. One sub-section is shopping malls but it seems to me that this should be covered in a broader category retail of which malls are but just one example. Two other subsections are labelled restaurants and hospitality are actually different facets of the same thing - hospitality includes restaurants as well as hotel accommodation, cafes, hotels and bars. 
I cannot help wondering where the list of different industry applications might have a logical ending? Why not include: tourist destinations, visitor attractions, cultural arts attractions (museums, galleries, zoos), hospitals, professional service providers, property developers, realtors (Br: real estate agents), banks, transportation services, airports, entertainment venues, sporting stadia, cinemas, hair-salons and beauticians, sex shops, brothels, massage parlours, etc, etc etc? If everything is included, there is a real risk that the article will become impossibly long and tedious. If everything is not included, the article will probably be tagged as "unbalanced" or as it already is tagged "lacking a worldwide focus". The article already includes a section devoted to the general applications - why is it necessary to repeat these general applications with reference to specific industries? My feeling is that the article only needs to discuss specific industry applications if they are unique to a given industry and are not already canvassed in the general section - and a few salient examples may be all that is necessary. 
This is an encyclopedia article - it provides general information - and may point users to other more detailed information via high quality references, see also sections and external links. It is not appropriate to write an "all you ever needed to know about digital signage" in a single article or turn it into some kind of dissertation on the subject.   BronHiggs (talk) 08:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Response

message: 1. "There are currently over 200 different companies worldwide that are marketing digital signage solutions."  Reference:http://buyersguide.designretailonline.com/category/digital-signage|title=List of Digital Signage Companies and Vendors in the design: retail Buyers' Guide
:: Title is of source is incorrect (not even grammatically correct). The prose is misleading since the companies named in this directory are U.S. companies - the mention of worldwide is fallacious
2. "Predominant market users of digital signage are restaurants" Reference:https://www.digitalsignagetoday.com/articles/dse14-dunkin-donuts-serves-up-digital-menu-boards/|title=DSE14: Dunkin' Donuts serves up digital menu boards|date=2014-02-20|work=www.digitalsignagetoday.com|access-date=2017-08-22
: Dunkin Donuts has now become typical of restaurants generally? 
3. "Restaurants are able to use digital signage both indoors and outdoors, with the latter needing a form of weather protection depending on the components of the hardware Reference:" Emojis Get a High-Fashion Makeover at Saks Fifth Avenue, url=http://footwearnews.com/2017/fn-spy/red-carpet/emoji-shoes-flip-flops-slides-emoji-movie-394730/  
: Saks 5th Avenue is a department store - it is unclear how this article provides any insights about restaurants
4. "Presently, North America dominates the digital signage market and will be expected to continue dominating the market until 2020, with the US occupying a majority of the market share. Reference:http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151014006405, "Research and Markets: Global Digital Signage Market - Forecasts and Trends Report 2015-2020,"  but elsewhere in the article, we see
"China currently leads the world in the number of digital sign displays deployed and number of NASDAQ IPOs.  Another source for information on digital sign displays and impressions (the number of times a viewer reads/views digital sign), is a report provided by Nielsen, the "4th Screen Network Audience Report". Reference: Joe Mandese, MediaPost News,April 13,  http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/125922/
: I think we need to decide whther the Global Trends Report is more authoritative that Joe Mandeses's media blog. Obviously both China and the US cannot dominate the market at the same time. We might also consider what metrics are being used for market domination - is it the number of displays, the area covered or the number of impressions? 
BronHiggs (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Detailed response about references 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: I see that
* pervasive display systems
* Digital Signage Broadcasting
* dynamic digital signage
* Signage Network Operators
all redirect to this digital signage page.
To comply with the WP:R#PLA guideline,
I feel that either this page should at least mention these terms,
but currently this page never mentions any of them.
Did this page perhaps previously mention those things, but somehow that text was lost?
Or should those redirects point to some other Wikipedia article,
and if so, what article(s)?
--DavidCary (talk) 00:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirects