Talk:Star Wars sources and analogues

message: "The final medal awarding scene in A New Hope, however, references Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will.[18]"
Source 18: "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones". TIME Magazine. 2002-04-21.
Source does not mention anything about the medal award ceremony, Riefenstahl, or Triumph of the Will... any ideas?  Should this line be removed or does someone know the actual source?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmeyerson (talk • contribs) 00:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: issue with references for modern history section

message: Has anyone else noticed a similarity between Star Wars and the rise of the Roman Empire? Both start out as respected Republics, but then the greed and corruption of senators leads to the current leader transforming the republic into an empire and calling himself emperor. I believe there's more, but it's been some time since I studied Roman history. However, shouldn't this be included in historical similarities? Anakinjmt 18:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the point of commonality is the mixture of advanced futuristic technology with Ancient Rome/Greece type civilisations, alluding to The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, we may point at The Rise and Fall of the Trigan Empire, a British comic series. I do not know if GL ever saw this. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:15DA:47A6:3B52:9C47 (talk) 08:56, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity between basic story of Star Wars and Roman Empire? 

message: -141.156.13.69 02:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Plucky rebels against an overbearing Empire whose officers speak that clipped British variety that connotes privilege and arrogance. I think the allusion / cultural resonance here is entirely intuitive, in line with GL's principle that audiences should understand what is what even without exposition (of which SW still has rather too much). At the same time, the Evil "British" Empire resonates with a war movie trope, in which the there is a droll contrast between the pomposity and over-confidence of the British officers and their extreme incompetence. Who would navigate a Star Destroyer into another Star Destroyer? The English Navy, that's who! 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:15DA:47A6:3B52:9C47 (talk) 09:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: No no no!

message: Who took down my edit suggesting that the imperial officers' uniforms were inspired by those of the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II?  At least I had the kindness not to delete the existing comparison with the Waffen SS, which is frankly much more tenuous.  That was pretty rude to delete this altogether.  A quick perusal of, for example, the photo of the Japanese generals at the surrender ceremonies on the USS Missouri, available on Wikipedia's Japanese Imperial Army uniforms webpage will show that this is every bit as legitimate as most of the other comparisons on this (Star Wars) page.  Everybody knows that Lucas relied quite a bit on Asian models in his costuming  (check out Padme's outfits, for example).  71.235.234.248 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imperial Officers Uniforms 

message: Should Star Trek be added in as a source for Star Wars? Because it's been credited that George Lucas is a Trekkie and has cited Star Trek as a source of inspiration as using sci-fi as a backdrop for his Star Wars story. 
Bart-16 (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek as a source? 

message: growing up the number one thing I heard about star wars was that it was an allegory for vietnam. obviously I don't have any sources for that, but if anyone else does it would be a good addition I think. I also read the earlier thread about the revolutionary war and that might have some merit too... but its wierd when this article doesn't have much of a historical section besides the names at the bottom...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.101.210 (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: vietnam war

message: No mention of Lensman? I think there are quite a few similarities concerning the Jedi and Lensman.
:I agree -- Lensman is clearly a major influence on Star Wars but seems to have been ignored by many (possibly due to its growing obscurity).  I've edited the article to include this. Mrstonky (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lensman 

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--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: These actually cite many of the uncited sources in the article, in the time you spent removing them from external links for tidyness you probably could have implemented them.— TAnthonyTalk 23:43, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly future refs to use in the article 

message: It seems to me that the plot and many analogies come from "War and Peace."  The Death Star being the invincible war machine, prince/princess captured, etc.. GESICC (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but as regards these particular elements GL has specifically mentioned "The Hidden Fortress" as the direct source; you can easily find clips of him talking about this at length. The robots are based on that film's two bedraggled peasants on the run, from whose perspective we watch the battle unfold (incidentally, watch the Death Star conference scene closely and you will hear a mention of the rebels' hidden fortress!). As fas as I know, Kurosawa devised the story for THF himself, taking inspiration from Japanese history and mythology. The themes you mention are a tad generic, so it is hard to pinpoint Kurosawa's precise inspiration if any. I do not know whether he read W&P but if he did, it would certainly have exerted some influence. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:15DA:47A6:3B52:9C47 (talk) 08:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  War and Peace 

message: Poul Anderson's short story Cold Victory (part of his The Psychotechnic League series and originally published in the May 1957 issue of Venture Science Fiction), begins with the destruction of the so-called "Monitor", a sphere-shaped battleship or spacestation "whose sole purpose is death", by being bombed by rebels, which very much reminds me of the Death Star and its fate in Star Wars. Interestingly, Anderson also wrote a novel in his Psychotechnic League series called Star Ways (originally published in 1956 and later re-published in the 70s as The Peregrine) rather than Star Wars.  --79.242.203.134 (talk) 07:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can provide a reliable source for this, it would be welcomed in the article.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 05:48, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poul Anderson's '' The Psychotechnic League'' 

message: I watched the end of Alfred the Great (film) and was surprised that the hooded cape worn by Alfred resembled so much Obi Wan's.
Then I heard a line "I am your father" and wondered if some reference could be found for an inspiration of Lucas's from Alfred.
It could be just a coincidence of what was in vogue for warrior monks in the late sixties.
--Error (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alfred the Great 

message: The creator of Star Wars has always been open about his indebtedness to popular sci fi. Indeed, he relates how, stuck on page 1 and in the throes of writer's block, he just bought a pile of popular sci fi novels to see what works and why. It is no secret that Dune was hugely influential. However, a penchant for diving specifically into the Dutch language for strange-and-yet-familiar words is not often mentioned. Vader means father in Dutch. Piett is similar to Piet, the Dutch spelling of Pete. In Dutch, mof is a pejorative term for a German. The Y-wing squadron leader in A New Hope has call sign "Dutch" and his surname is Vander; lots of Dutch surnames are prefixed with "van der" (or "van den", "van de", "van") although the actual surname is the bit that follows it.2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:15DA:47A6:3B52:9C47 (talk) 08:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Dutch, suggested by Dune? 

message: I am not sure. Could also be pareidolia. And it's my original research.
https://snrk.de/the-bakers-uncle-yodas-relative-is
--DL5MDA (talk) 12:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoda's looks, reference to "The Hunting of the Snark"? 

message: The Influence of Carlos Castaneda on Star Wars (Documentary) - tVE4PYWkbq
George Lucas and Don Juan -  24.247.208.154 (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links