Talk:Month

message: If you're like me, you can't quickly remember how many days are in October or April. However, there is a simple trick to determining how many days are in each month, and it doesn't involve any complex calculations. In fact, the only things involved are carried with you 24 hours a day (except, of course, if for some reason, you no longer have your original hands); your knuckles.
The trick goes as such:
1) Make your hands into fists 
2) Hold your fists together so that your thumbs and (curled) index fingers are touching.
3) Now, count both the knuckles and valleys between them as months (i.e. count the first knuckle as January, the adjoining valley as February, and so on). The orientation of the counting makes no difference, so those that prefer to think in a Hebrew mentality can count from right to left and still get the desired effect.
4) Now for the important part of the trick: Each month that was counted on a knuckle has 31 days, and each month that was counted in a valley has fewer than 31 days (well, 80% of them have 30. The remaining month has 28 (or 29) days. Figuring out which is the odd one out will be an exercise left to the reader.
NOTE: this is "stupid as hell" (in the opinion of some people, but widely taught and practiced by others).  
:I like this version of the hand trick better:
:1) Hold out one fist.
:2) Starting with the index finger knuckle, count knuckles and valleys.
:3) When you run out of knuckles and valleys, start again from the other direction as in this illustration. http://the-light.com/cal/fist.gif
:I like this better because February gets the lowest valley (for most people)
:Victor Engel (talk) 20:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hand trick

message: that section is pointless, considering the fact that there is already a section for many specific calenders. Instead of it, a link should be added to the specific calenders section. 
I would have done this myself, except that I am very clumsy with the site (seeing as I've edited for the first time today) and before deletion, people who know more than me about all of the topics presented in the section should check whether information that appears there is missing in the entries for the specific topics. I've already noticed that the alternate endings of the mnemonic for the memorisation of the length of months did not appear in the entry about the gregorian calender, so I added them to the appropriate section there. I probably missed some things, however.
*I was thinking the same thing about "Months in Various Calendars".83.118.38.37 02:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Months in Various Calenders" should be deleted 

message: althought heavily tied to the northern hemisphere there's a lot deal of symbolic meaning tied to each month... Anyone with precise knowledge on this matter could enhance the article please?Undead Herle King 02:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See each month's article for its derivation and symbolism. This article is not the proper place for that information. — Joe Kress 05:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Month symbolism

message: How did the Icelandic calendar work?  I get the impression that they agreed with the rest of the Western world on the days of teh week, that is, a Sunday in Iceland was always a Sunday in Europe.  So, how did they maintain the correspondance of dates and days of teh week?  Was there a "leap week"  or some sort added on a regular basis?  I'd once created a fictional calendar that worked that same way, so I'm quite interested to see that a real calendar apparently did the same Nik42 00:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic Calendar 

message: Note: Years are 365.2425 days, not 365.25
Will Entriken (talk) 04:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The mean Gregorian year in 365.2425 days, whereas the mean Julian year in 365.25 days. Both are correct. — Joe Kress (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years 

message: Has anyone ever noticed if you write down the first letters in the list of months you see JASON? JFMAMJ(JASON)D. Is that something or just a coincidence? 76.68.110.116 (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, funny. Anyone else have an opinion? 70.27.125.61 (talk) 03:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  JASON in months 

message: In the table of lengths of lunar months, the correction factor variable Y is described as days since the epoch. In the text Y is described as years. Which is it?--agr (talk) 16:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is both. For example, 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 × Y days means take the value of Y (in years) to compute the sum. The result is a value whose units are days. Victor Engel (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Perhaps illustrating by example would help. Today's date is about 11.38 years after the 2000 epoch. So we use 11.38 in the equation to produce the sum 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 * 11.38 = 29.5305888776 (which sum is a period of days). Victor Engel (talk) 16:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I understand what is intended, but the article wording is very confusing. I would suggest taking the word "days" out of each row in the table and changing the first sentence of the section to "Here is a list of the average length, in days, of the various astronomical lunar months." --agr (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I modified the table by adding a column header, etc. Victor Engel (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's much better. I made a few minor edits. --agr (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y in days or years? 

message: Who uses the "Arabic calendar" (recently added)?  Most of the month names resemble the Hebrew; are they used by Israeli Arabs perhaps? (If so, the sections ought to be merged.) —Tamfang (talk) 08:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Arabs use the "Arabic Calendar". Most daily use calendars used in Arab countries include the Gregorian, Islamic as well as the Arabic Calendars. The names resemble the Hebrew months because Arabic and Hebrew belong to the same sub-family (Semitic) of the Afro-Asiatic language family, and hence, they are quite similar to each other. More information is available at Arabic names of calendar months. --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic calendar 

message: I still remember the mnemonic my high school Latin teacher taught us for remembering which months have the ides on the 15th and the calends on the 7th:  MOM & July.
HankW512 (talk) 23:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Mnemonic 

message: The draconic month is stated here 27.212220817. There should be said, that it is an average value, where actual time distances between ascending node passages (relative to dynamic ecliptic plane) are currently (this year) in range 27.05644 - 27.3645 days (the difference is over 7 hours), varying on a sinusoide with 173.3 day period, as detected from NASA/JPL ephemerides DE422. Similar variability (173 day sinusoide) shows the angle between angular momentum vector (orbit axis) of Moon orbit relative to Earth and of angular momentum vector of EMB orbit relative to Sun (on range 5.0328° - 5.30428°).  The angular frequency of rotation of a vector from EMB to Moon Ascending Node ranges from 1.6e-5° to 3.21° per 27 days (the low bound could be probably an artifact of discrete position of ascending node calculation? But probably it is not...). I found no mention of the variability of Moon precession here...?! There should be at least the word average draconic month...  P.A.Semi 79.98.159.114 (talk) 22:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variability 

message: It is clear that the names in both of these calendars are cognates. The Khmer section has little information apart from the list of months, but perhaps some linkage between the two sections, either overtly in a list format or simply by putting them back to back, would shed light on their relevant cultural and linguistic connections. 64.134.179.205 (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khmer & Malayalam Calendars 

message: The keyboard wasn't invented according to month lengths. F doesn't correlate to January. The key has no special position in music. Using knuckles is a stupid method to remember the months. I never understood this. The length alternates between long and short, with an exception between July and August. Who needs to put their knuckles together to count? After some years of use, children automatically know how many days each month has. We use the calendar everyday, it should be clear to everyone. Besides, you have more knuckles and between the knuckles than months. Children might get confused more than just remembering by heart. February may be a short month, but you can't see from the knuckles that it has only 28 instead of 30 days. Another confusion arises when you put both hands together: Children could count the space between the two index fingers as August, making it a short month. --2.245.178.152 (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Mnemonics, especially tactile ones, are useful and—more importantly—such a common and notable one deserves inclusion. Your condescension isn't particularly compelling. — LlywelynII 15:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knuckles and musical keyboard is nonsense, just a coincidence 

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message: In the Khmer solar calendar, two-thirds of the etyma shown under "Meanings" appear to be unrelated to the words that they purport to explain.  Some explanation of this phenomenon would be in order. —Tamfang (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khmer meanings