Talk:Babylon 5/Archive 1

message: "Additionally, in several of these claims, Deep Space Nine actually had their "plagiarism" produced first"
:Actually, Paramount was approached with the series premise and "B5 Bible" by JMS something like a year before the production of both series started, so they knew some facts of the future seasons before they were produced. Ausir 06:56, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: B5 and DS9

message: I moved the new Music scoring section down to just before The episodes because it had been added illogically within the section on Cast and characters, which includes Babylon stations. After looking over the current state of the article, it seemed to me that the flow from characters to stations to civilizations to themes seemed to work well. The episodes section seemed like a change of subject and a logical place to add the new music section. I hope this suits everyone. — Jeff Q 20:52, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music scoring insertion 

message: It's not "False" to say that a program is shot in widescreen when the original negative is 4:3.  This is common practice for cinema.  The Back to the Future movies are shot like this too, and would fail the "side by side' comparison test that is mentioned above.  When producing a 4:3 version of a film, it is far better (when possible) to expand the image into areas not seen on the movie screen then to crop out the sides that were seen.   Pan-and-scan solutions are only necessary if the original negative is not 4:3, or if the expanded areas were not monitored and include cables, microphones and the like.  Ironically, my criticism of the B5 widescreen version was precisely the opposite of the poster above.  Studio shots were expanded into useless empty areas when they ought to have been cropped to compose the actors better.  
HD Net showed widescreen HD versions of Hogan's Heros! (yes, the '60s TV show)  It was surreal how well this worked.  It must have been done entirely by cropping the 4:3 master, but visually I couldn't find a single thing wrong with it.  I think that the B5 re-master just didn't get the same effort.  Algr 15:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: True meaning of "shot in widescreen"

message: I wanted to post this personal observation but didn't think I should do so in the main article area.
When I was learning about writing styles in college, we were told to choose a number of interweaving story threads depending on the target audience (lower for children). For example, on most TV sitcoms the number is usually 2 or 3, although some shows like Seinfeld were higher. In a 2005 Arthur C. Clarke novel (Sunstorm) it seemed to vary between 4 and 5. When watching episodes of Babylon 5 I have counted up to 6 threads (but there may have been mini threads I missed) so I must infer that this program was definitely targeted to adults.
--Neilrieck 20:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Did your course make any attempt to differentiate between the ages and development stages of the child audience? It sounds like it undersells the ability of children (especially non-preschoolers) to absorb complex stories, just like they must absorb life itself, which is very complex. This ought to be even more true for a story like Babylon 5, which goes to great lengths to weave its many storylines together, rather unlike life sometimes. ☺ Kids can't be expected to understand everything they read or watch, but unlike adults, they tend to have a much higher tolerance for and adaptability to things they don't fully understand, probably out of sheer necessity. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Style 

message: The race "Raiders" are surely mentioned in the Babylon 5 article, however, there is no separate article about this race; 
:Well, they are not a race.  They're pirates, essentially.  
in fact there is nothing at all about them anywhere. I am curious, why not ??  regards Wayfarer-Talk  on November 6, 2005 at 2:17 GMT
:So fix it.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 02:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why there is no article in regard to "Raiders" ??

message: There are some serious issues with how this article has been written. It's so obviously written by someone who adores the show that it strays perilously close to being NPOV. Now it's a fine show, but this article sounds more like an advertisement for the DVD set than an encyclopedia entry. It needs to be throughly cleaned up. RossTaben 3:55pm PST 12.20.2005
: Sorry I may be misunderstanding what you wrote but you're saying the article is perilously close to NPOV. That's how it should be, or do you mean that the article isn't NPOV? Ben W Bell 08:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fanboy Apocalypse 

message: See: Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29/Archive V#How_about:_Sectioning_off_of.2Fpossible_banning_of_Fictional_Universe_articles.  I hope I am not in violation of WP:SPAM by informing talk pages of Fictional Universes about this thread. User:AlMac|(talk) 14:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Informing us seems fine to me. Eiler7 15:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition to Fictional Universes here 

message: I have not been able to find a source on the "particle of the week" bit. So I propose removing it. Also, I would like to attribute the "good example of a space opera" to John Iacovelli and add the DVD feature to the references. Any feedback? Eiler7 13:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes 

message: As first, why is the Babylon 5 station sometimes shown as blue coloured (mostly), and sometimes a green-white coloured, similar to Babylon 4 (only few times; for instance in the 1 or 2 episode) ??
And as second, do you know that part, when Sheridan throws the teddy-bear (with "JF" initials) out of the station ... Why did it do that ?? I somehow speculated that because JF could also mean Jeffery Sinclair (beside John Sheridan), and that this has made Sheridan mad/jealous. Any thoughts ??
regards Wayfarer-Talk | , on Januar 22, 2006 at 2:24 GMT
:No, the initials were JS, as in John Sheridan.  The full behind-the-scenes story behind the Teddy Bear Incident is rather complicated - it involves a series of practical jokes played on J. Michael Straczynski by Peter David and vice versa, one of which was the JS (Joe Straczynski) bear. Do a few relevant JMSNews.com searches and check out the Lurker's Guide for more.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 15:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Two new unrelated questions

message: Does anyone have a source for the "hold up a mirror" quote? I have found a quote on midwinter, "It should be a metaphor, and a goal, and a mirror", which I am considering linking to and altering the text in line with. Eiler7 16:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hold up a mirror 

message: CUT FROM "JUMP THE SHARK" ARTICLE: "* When a series is unexpectedly renewed at the last minute after production is concluded, forcing an awkward continuation of the premise (e.g., Babylon 5's creator J. Michael Straczynski feared he would not be able to complete his five-year story arc due to the impending dissolution of its parent, Prime Time Entertainment Network, and the uncertainties of the television syndication market, which led to many storylines being resolved prematurely at the end of season 4; when the series was picked up for a fifth season by cable network TNT, Straczynski relaunched production by withholding the series finale and extending the resolution of the remaining story arcs)." 
Though that might be something to add to this page. However I know *nothing* about this show. Asa01 08:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: trivia on cancelation

message: I've created a Babylon 5 Novels, novelizations, short stories, and comic books page and cut down the section in the Babylon 5 page. Koweja 18:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split page 

message: Do we have anyone buying these?  Good primary sources, but limited availablity. Morwen - Talk 00:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am currently purchasing all 14 scriptbooks. These scriptbooks should be referenced in the novelization area also.--Nuke-Marine 00:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scripts books 

message: The episode Believers has been moved to Believers (Babylon 5). Just saying in case there are any links to it that need fixing. Also, would it be too terrible if I just made the Believers space for the manga instead of the silly two-link disamb? IMO, it seems that a manga series is more deserving than a single episode for a default name space. I'll be sure to have a "This article is for the manga, for the Babylon 5 episode see yaddayaddayadda" in there. Just wanted to check to see if that was ok first, didn't want to piss you guys off or anything. --SeizureDog 09:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We all (speaking for myself) are encyclopedists before B5 fans here, so Being Bold in any form is not only appreciated, but policy.  Help yourself, etc.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok then, I'll go ahead and move the manga to the main page. Thanks. :)--SeizureDog 08:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You can tell what pages link to an article by clicking "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of every page, below the search box. In this case it would be this page. There aren't too many link from articles, so I'll just go ahead and correct them. Koweja 20:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Small note

message: In this section it's stated "it would not be surprising for her to speak English with an American accent as this is often the case with Europeans whose first language is not English." - At least in Germany the opposite is true, as British English is taught in schools. Citation is needed. MikeZ 16:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American accent in Europe? - in "Ethnicity and language of characters" 

message: The paragraph on Direct fan interaction states that "Babylon 5 was also the first show to fully utilize the Internet as a tool for building fan support." However, the article Internet marketing and fan influence on Babylon 5 states that "Babylon 5 was one of the first shows to employ Internet marketing to create a buzz among online readers far in advance of the airing of the pilot episode." Pick one. 65.113.125.77 14:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First/one of the first to utilize the Internet 

message: Does anyone have a source for Londo actually being addicted? Eiler7 13:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Londo and addiction 

message: "Of the main characters, none are from South America, Africa, or Asia."
Stephen Franklin?
::Laurel Takashima? (Japanese)
::Susan Ivanova? (Russian/Jewish)
::John Matheson? (Korean)
::Futurix 10:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, Russia does technically extend into Asia... John Matheson isn't Babylon 5, and Takashima was not really a central character to the series. Ivanova, though, probably applies.RowennaG 07:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: Does anyone have any examples of people citing Babylon 5 as raising the bar for scifi television? I did a search but did not find anything relevant. Ideally I would like to see something from someone independent of the production. Eiler7 19:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raising the bar