Talk:Assassination of Olof Palme

message: There is a lot of "euro English" in this article. It might benefit from a native speaker going over it.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.255.234.173 (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Euro English

message: I've added a POV tag. Although other explanations for Palme's assassination might be included, one should not cater to simplist conspiracist notions, as those of Larouche for example. Ibraham Razin, who  in this article is stated to be a CIA agent is in fact Oswald LeWinter, a known hoaxer. Intangible2.0 02:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed those bits. Article needs more sources though. Intangible2.0 02:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: POV isn't exactly the correct template to use here, since all theories are POVish, and the theories are the topic of the article. It should rather be :Template:Disputed-section and :Template:fact. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 08:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:UNDUE. Cheers. Intangible2.0 00:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: The article currently states that Mr Palme was headed towards the Radmansgatan station and was steps away from that station before being assassinated.  Although the Grand Cinema at the corner of Sveavagan and Tegnergatan is within sight of of Radmansgatan station, Palme was going towards Hotorget station.  There is an entrance to Hotorget station at the corner of Tunnelgatan and Sveavagan.  Does anyone know why he went to Hotorget station and not Radmansgatan station?
81.229.81.172 (talk) 15:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The error has since been corrected, but this question is sometimes raised in conspiracy circles. I won't dive into that muck except to say, in response to the above question, that Rådmansgatan is indeed closer to the cinema, but Hötorget is in the right direction for where the Palmes were going (their home in Stockholm's old town, Gamla Stan).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylleman (talk • contribs) 21:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article error on subway station 

message: "Trivia" seemed an inappropriate label for statements of the cost and reward related to the case. Trivia is discouraged, but the statements included seem worthwhile (and non-trivial) and form a coherent section. I've therefore renamed the section "Costs" (and removed the Trivia template). "Costs" is the best I can come up with to cover the statement of money spent and pages generated, as well as the reward offered. If anyone can do better, please do. Klippa (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of trivia 

message: Why is the 12-hour clock used in the time line?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_by_country#Sweden
Ldfifty (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  12-hour clock times 

message: Why is there no mention of the police involovment in this article? It is a fact thet the police trail is a verywidespread theory and in fact one of the theories the Granskningskommition criticized the Palme-investigators for not have brought this to attention..this theory should be brought up if any!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.150.58 (talk) 03:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This theory is actually one of the most significant and reasonable ones. There is a great body of testimonies of men equipped with walkie-talkies around the place of the murder at the time of the murder, including positive identifications of several individuals and intercepted radio communication. The individuals have been linked to right-extremist groups within the police and among a particular gym and a gun club, all sharing the same members. Individuals of this affiliation within the police were on active duty at the time in ways irregular from the normal schedule, for instance one policeman serving in the emergency call reception who dropped several incoming calls and delayed the alert, and retroactively timestamped the event register to create the appearance of police arriving at the scene earlier than happened. The inconsistency of the records are established. Hans Holmér, the Chief of Police at the time, and the secret service shared the same affiliation and seemingly directed the investigation in tangential and unrelated suspects. Hans Holmér allegedly and officially spent the time 200 kilometers from Stockholm at the time, but was identified as being present in the office by other high ranking police officers. The police and secret service has consistently refused to follow up the police trail. This could be the largest conspiracy in Swedish judicial history, and at least five books have been written on the topic. Miqademus (talk) 01:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a section on this adapted from the Anti Avsan article.  Andreas  (T) 18:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police involvement 

message: There's a pretty shaky source on this (a translation of an Aftonbladet article), and there's nothing in the Swedish article about it. It's written conclusively, which is a very bad angle to it. I've therefore decided to remove it entirely. This decision is of course reversible, but I decided to notify my reasons for it here. Pueben (talk) 20:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pueben's reasoning appears good to me.---PJHaseldine (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "The 2004 confession"

message: The Mossad Operative Ari Ben-Menashe stated in his 1991 book 'Profits of War' that Palme was killed by the CIA as a result of his investigation into the American/Israeli and Bofors arms deals with Iran. he said that the death of Robert Maxwell was related to this.
--Rolec Dubbing (talk) 17:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran Contra connection 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Some information about the extensive activities of the Police would be relevant. The investigation which ran for years was headed by Hans Holmér out of 'Palmerummet'. Lklundin (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The investigation ran for years and is indeed still ongoing, but a section on it should note that Holmér was involved only in its first year. He resigned on March 5, 1987, two days after the parliament (Konstitutionsutskottet) launched an inquiry into the conduct of the murder investigation. Ylleman (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Police Investigation 

message: I wonder why there is no mention at all of the possibility of a Swedish conspiration.
Palme was hated by parts of the Police, was considered a risk to Swedish security by the Swedish army ("too weak" towards the Soviet union) and was warned by the Swedish minister of Defence that there might be a conspiration among high army officials.
 87.188.247.66 (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are the "police", the "army" and the "säpo" theories not mentioned? 

message: This possibility has been documented, among others, in the prestigeous German weekly Die Zeit and therefore is relevant, there is no reason to omit it. It is clearly metioned (like the other "theories") that this is a hypothetical scenario and the opinion of the authors. It is irrelevant if it appears in the Swedish WP. It is up to the Swedish editors to include it there, too. I removed the details because they are poorly written, indeed.  Andreas  (T) 11:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, fair enough. It just seemed like too much of a WP:BLP violation not to remove it. Are you certain that this is permitted under WP:BLP? I do hope fingering a living Swedish politician as the killer does not presage a repeat of the Siegenthaler incident. By the way, it says in the Swedish article on Avsan that Anér identifies him as the so called "Dekorimamannen", i.e. the man standing outside the Dekorima boutique. It doesn't say that he identifies him as the killer. I haven't read the book myself so I don't know whether or not he actually does make that claim. If that isn't the case, then it must be removed from the article, and even if he does, I'm worried that this is a BLP violation; it's obviously a very serious charge that shouldn't be thrown around haphazardly. Shoplifter (talk) 14:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, visiting you from the german WP. I agree that the WP-BLP rules must be respected, but the problem here is that the current three lines of "Police conspiracy" can well be seen as being part of an attempt to rather cover up what is claimed to be reported. Anyway, the part of the 1995 article in Die Zeit that deals with the two witnesses of the "Dekorima man" (p. 11-13 in the pdf-version) is not at all a work by Klaus-Dieter Knapp, but a nearly word-by-word translation of Sven Anérs 1993 article, reprinted here. It should be added that at least Knapp was fair enough to mention Anér (and Lars Borgnäs) as his main references. Here my question: Why is it that on the page here the copy of Knapp is the only listed source while the original researcher and author, i.e. Anér, is not even mentioned? Second: Anér claims since 2008 (Palmemordet: affären Anti Avsan. Almunge 2008, ) that the cited Swedish Member of Parliament is to be identified with the "Dekorima man" and since there was no reaction at all, Anér on several occasions and in order to provoke a defamation suit called him publicly the muderer of Palme, again with no reaction. In 2010 he repeated it in a public letter to EU Comissioner Viviane Reding: "Olof Palme was, in fact, shot by a policeman, Anti Avsan, to-day a Judge at the Stockholm City Court and re-elected Conservative Member of the Swedish Riksdag. At least twenty of Avsan´s colleagues were hired to help him do his job and to safely disappear from the scene of the crime." During all these years, Anti Avsan never objected not a single word, just like: "no", and that is different to Siegenthaler. Furthermore, the names of other suspects still alive are cited here without scruple. On the german WP-page of Olof Palme the names and the case of Anér and Avsan are mentioned and there were never any complaints. So, who is interested in an only three-line-account of a thread "Police conspiracy"? There is a lot more to tell on it. BaneshN. (talk) 11:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police trail 

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message: Deputy Prime Minister Ingvar Carlsson may have "immediately assumed the duties of Prime Minister", however he did not immediately become "new leader of the Social Democratic Party". That happened some time later.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Carlsson became leader of the party on March 3rd, which was the Monday following the murder (which took place in the night between Friday and Saturday). The process was not automatic, but in the context I think it qualifies as immediate. However, it might be noted that Carlsson only served as temporary prime minister for an interim cabinet until March 12, when he was elected prime minister by the parliament. Ylleman (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlsson 

message: An idea of how common the type of weapon used compared to other weapons would help put the crime into context.
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thread_title:  Statistics of Firearm Distribution by Type 

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message: A fair few of the "theories" mentioned in the article and on this discussion page are conspiracy theories with varying numbers of adherents. I propose splitting the "Murder theories" section into one part with the different directions actually taken by the police investigation, and one for the conspiracy theories. The first of these would contain the current sub-sections "The 33-year-old" (the man was actually arrested), PKK (the main focus during the investigation's first year) and Christer Pettersson (who was charged and convicted). Ylleman (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate investigation from conspiracy 

message: I just added "Relevant inline" to the second paragraph under "The 33-year-old". I don't think the circumstances surrounoding Gunnarsson's death are relevant to the murder of the prime minister. There is a page on Gunnarsson where this information is relevant, but it doesn't add anything here. Ylleman (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gunnarsson's murder 

message: The description of The Last Contract, which has its own article, should be reduced to the first sentence. The fourth sentence is pure advertising and has no place here. The second describes the plot, which is better placed in the film's own article. The third discusses the motive for the murder as suggested by the film - but the film is a work of fiction, and the speculations of its makers has no relevance. Ylleman (talk) 22:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: The May 2019 issue of Le Monde diplomatique (French edition, p. 24) includes a review of "La folle enquête de Stieg Larsson" (The crazy investigation of Stieg Larsson, Flammarion, Paris) by Jan Stocklassa, which says that at the time of Larsson death, he was researching the Olof Palme murder.  The prime suspects were reportedly "the secret services of South Africa and the Atlantists network based in Irangate."  
"La folle enquête de Stieg Larson" is reportedly available in English as The Man Who Played with Fire: Stieg Larsson's Lost Files and the Hunt for an Assassin.  
I likely will not find the time to do more with this, but it seems like this current article might benefit from appropriate consideration of the contents of this book, assuming it has adequate references.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  La folle enquête de Stieg Larsson 

message: The section PKK begins with:
In 1971, Olof Palme said that he blamed the fear of the masses on "anarchists and people with long hair [and] people with beards."[32] 
::Following up on this suggestion, Hans Holmér, the Stockholm police commissioner, worked with an intelligence lead passed to him (supposedly by Bertil Wedin) and arrested a number of Kurds living in Sweden. 
I can't understand what is the connection between "anarchists and people with long hair [and] people with beards." and the kurds.--MiguelMadeira (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  PKK and "people with long hair" 

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message: What was the motivation behind the assassination of Olof Palme? Why would somebody kill him? Can you reply when you find an answer? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we add motivation to template?