Talk:Douglas C-54 Skymaster

message: compare opening paragraphs with http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/skymastr.htm GraemeLeggett 20:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What's to say daveswarbirds didn't copy WP? I doubt it, but it could go either way. --Colputt 17:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyvio? 

message: First, I see no reason whatever to have one article on the DC-4, and another on the C-54. It seems far-fetched to make a sharp distinction between the two, being the same aircraft. I advocate their union. Secondly: I am too dumb to understand, let alone to carry out, the instructions for entering comments to the List of Accidents and Incidents involving the DC-4 (in the list, the two designations are, commendably, allowed each other’s company).  Therefore I take the liberty to enter the following comment on this Talk Page: I miss the dramatic and unusual case of TF-RVC, a C-54 that crashed 14 September 1950 on Vatnajökull glacier in Iceland carrying freight from Luxembourg heading for (but not on course to) Reykjavík. The accident, a “CFIT” one, had a happy end, although the stewardess suffered back pain ever since and the captain had permanent face scars. The entire crew’s survival could be thanked a “Gibson Girl” 500 kHz hand-cranked Notsender. This particular accident might even deserve an article on its own. --Togifex (talk) 22:04, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The earliest C-54s were DC-4s ordered by airlines, taken over by the Army Air Force before delivery, and given the designation C-54-DO & C-54-DO. Before the war the AAF had also ordered 9 C54-DCs (basically just a DC-4) & 62 C-54A-DCs which had a strengthened floor, cargo doors and a loading hoist. After VJ-Day, orders for 235 C-54G-20-DOs were cancelled and the components under construction were finished as DC-4-1009s. Just 61 DC-4s were ordered by airlines before the war (all taken over by the AAF). There were just 79 DC-4s built after the war. The total of DC-4s ordered was 140 , the number delivered was 79. There were 1,236 C-54s delivered.
The airplane was designed as a DC-4 and ended production as a DC-4. Most were ordered and delivered as C-54s. Which page should survive a merger?
After the war large numbers of C-54s were converted to passenger airliners. These were considered C-54s if they were converted by organizations than Douglas. Those converted by douglas were considered DC-4s.  The airlines called them all DC-4s.
Capital Airlines operated 29 airplanes which appeared on it's schedules as DC-4s. Some actually were. 
Example of post war use of DC-4 & C-54 by Capital Airlines.
N30063  C-54B     10447/DC178 616             05/50    05/56 C/L ATLANTA
 
N53022  DC-4-1009 42982/30    617             05/50    02/56 C/L DETROIT
 
N53487  R5D-1     10306/DC37  618             04/48    11/60 ex PCA; C/L CANTON
 
N56006  C-54A     10279/DC10  610             04/48      /55 ex PCA; A/F MILWAUKEE; C/L BALTIMORE
 
N79072  C-54B     18359/DO133 619;311           /48    05/55 C/L CHICAGO; A/F NEW YORK
 
N86554  C-54      3051/DO3    411             04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L WASHINGTON
 
N86555  C-54      3062/DO6    412B            04/48    07/60 ex PCA  C/L CAVALIER
 
N86556  C-54      3115/DO5                      /        /   ?? 
N86557  C-54      3119/DO9    413             04/48      /55 ex PCA  C/L HARRISBURG
 
N88745  C-54      3052/DO4    414             04/48    07/61 ex PCA  C/L CHARLESTON
 
N88746  C-54      3063/DO9    415             04/48    07/61 ex PCA  C/L KNOXVILLE
 
N88747  DC-4      3116/DO6    416             04/48      /55 ex PCA  C/L NEWARK; cvtd C-54
 
N88748  DC-4      3124/DO14   417             04/48    07/61 ex PCA  C/L AKRON; cvtd C-54 
N88767  DC-4      3125/DO15   426             04/48    07/61 ex PCA  C/L PITTSBURGH; cvtd C-54
 
N88839  DC-4      3060/DO2    418B            04/48 04/18/57 ex PCA; C/L CLEVELAND; cvtd C-54; WO Pittsburgh,PA
 
N88840  C-54      3061/DO5    419             04/48      /   ex PCA; C/L MILWAUKEE
 
N88841  DC-4      3111/DO1    420B            04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L BUFFALO; cvtd C-54
 
N88843  DC-4      3113/DO3    422             04/48      /   ex PCA; C/L NORFOLK; cvtd C-54
 
N88844  C-54      3118/DO8                    09/49    12/49 LF NE 
N88851  DC-4      3121/DO11   423             04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L DETROIT; cvtd C-54
 
N88852  C-54      3123/DO13                   04/48      /49 ex PCA
 
N88863  DC-4      3120/DO10   424B            04/48      /59 ex PCA; C/L ROCHESTER; cvtd C-54  (ATLANTA)
 
N88864  DC-4      3122/DO12   425B            04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L BIRMINGHAM; cvtd C-54
 
N91047                 /      312
 
N91067  DC-4      10295/DC26  611             04/48    05/55 ex PCA; C/L TWIN CITIES; cvtd R5D-1
 
N91069  DC-4      10363/DC94  612             04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L YOUNGSTOWN; cvtd R5D-1
 
N91070  DC-4      7447/DO55   613             04/48    07/61 ex PCA; C/L CHATTANOOGA; cvtd R5D-1
 
N95409  C-54A     10413/DC144 614             04/48      /55 ex PCA; C/L NEW ORLEANS
 
N95410  C-54A     10387/DC118 615             04/48      /55 ex PCA; C/L MOBILE 
For the source for the DC-4/C-54 information is Pearcy, Arthur, Douglas Propliners DC-1 - DC-7, Airlife Publishing Ltd.,  Shrewsbury, England, 1995, .
The source for the capital Airline fleet list is at http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/airlines.html
Mark Lincoln (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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