Talk:Jean-Pol Martin

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Dear Amdin,
Of course I'm the one who sets up that page about myself. For me, it's not important to be in the Wikipedia Article pages, but it's very practical in order to inform people who are interested in my work. My name have been in the German Wikipedia for 4 months and in the french Wikipedia too (look at the links, please). If you look in my userpage, you perhaps will understand why it's practicle for me to have a article too: so I can refer for the official questions on the "Jean-Pol Martin" article and communicate about projects in my userpage! Thank your for your understanding!--Jeanpol 05:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry.  Read the Wikipedia guidelines: if you are notable, someone else will write a page on you.  You do have a personal user page, remember. CoolGuy 05:26, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your position.But in the German Wikip and in the French one, I didn't write the articles about me! An the article Learnig by teaching in the English Wikipedia is not from me either. My interest is not to be considered as "famous" or not in the English Wikipedia but to use the network possibilities. Of course I can request some colleague, students or friend of mine to set up an article about me in the English Wikipedia, but the things have to go speedy. The burocratic rule in Wikipedia is clear: nobody is allowed to set up an article about himselfe. But times are changing! For me it doesn't matter if my name is in the article, but for the communication and the speedness, it is very important. I don't know how old you are. If you are young, my chances to be understood are perhaps better! For instance, if my name is as article, I can set up a link on my name in the article about my work "Learning by teaching", and so on... An other useful application is, that I can cancel all the personal informations about me in the userpage and set a link on "official informations are in the official article" and so on.--Jeanpol 05:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, sorry, the rules state that an entry will eventually be created if the subject is notable enough.  It's up to the Wiki admins and possibly others to determine if this qualifies.  If you need to have a page in English about yourself, I suggest you set up your own web site. CoolGuy 05:47, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I will try to mobilise some people in order to discuss with you if I'm important or not! But I need a little bit of time. By the way: the same discussion takes place at the beginning in the German Wiki, and later in the French Wiki too;-)))--Jeanpol 05:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Autobio

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well, I have to admit that I can understand the wiki rules very well. I would not like to be an administrator if I had to check every article about every other person who thinks they are important. on the other hand the admins should try to put some research into people who are "allowed" on other wikis, like jpm. I followed the discussion on the french wiki and in the end the admins there were convinced of his "notability". why don't you just check there? you will find that he is not just notable, but indeed a more important person than many of those who have their articles here. (jkd - teacher inspired by jpm)
:Whow!!! That's a great compliment! As you know, my target is not to be famous through Wikipedia but to build a hubb. If somebody is looking for informations about "learning by teaching" and finds my name, he can be connected to other activities and so build a network inside the WP in order tu construct knowledge together. My opinion regarding the Wikipediaadmins is, that they are good people, but a little bit conservative. They want to set up an encypclopädia like the 19.century ones. The Wikipedia Technologie is far more performative! Anyway: thank your very much, Kathrin!--Jeanpol 08:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  articles about oneslf 

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Please tell us which decision you made...--Jeanpol 08:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm not in a good position to say if the page is encyclopedic or not.  I don't know enough, but I have looked at your user contributions, and you have contributed to nothing but your own encyclopedia page.  That is not the spirit of Wikipedia, but you seem to be a smart guy and I know you will have a lot to contribute to its knowledge base. CoolGuy 02:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment a didn't contribute to an other article because I'm doing a lot of preparations in order to write very good articles. The next article will be about "French as foreign language in Germany" and it takes time till it's finished. In addition, I'm recruting students woho help me writing good articles. Thank you to finding that I'm smart. If you are able to recognise that I'm smart, you are smart too! ;-))--Jeanpol 05:56, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Fenice: Thank your for helping me. I think, cool guy is now convinced. But it's interessant to read, that one can contribute to WP just by discussing with others. I agree of course!;-))--Jeanpol 10:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cool guy: are you vanished? ;-))

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Not that I want to give a formal acceptance of the presence of this article, I must say that LdL is known to many teachers and already has its own article.  The person that developed the idea is notable (just check Google), and the fact that he has helped write it is not against the rules.  Yes, it's a little frowned upon, but he is certainly the expert on the topic and there are plenty of us to check for bias.  I'll add it to my watchlist so that I can monitor it too.
I'm going to remove the questioned notability tag – if anyone disagrees then I suggest that they go through the standard VFD process.  violet/riga (t) 11:15, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding "there are plenty of us to check for bias": I don't won't to modify the article at all. I just think that it's a big help for WP-Users if they are looking for my name in connection with "Learning by teaching" and they find it. Anyway: thanks for removing the tag and improving the article!--Jeanpol 17:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

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Hallo coolguy, I'm a little surprised (it's not important, I just want to understand the WP-rules better! ;-)): you delited following text by me:
":Regarding "there are plenty of us to check for bias": I don't won't to modify the article at all. I just think that it's a big help for WP-Users if they are looking for my name in connection with "Learning by teaching" and they find it. Anyway: thanks for removing the tag and improving the article!--Jeanpol 17:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

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Hallo coolguy, I'm a little surprised (it's not important, I just want to understand the WP-rules better! ;-)): you delited following text by me:
":Regarding "there are plenty of us to check for bias": I don't won't to modify the article at all. I just think that it's a big help for WP-Users if they are looking for my name in connection with "Learning by teaching" and they find it. Anyway: thanks for removing the tag and improving the article!--Jeanpol 17:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Coolguy: I'm a little surprised

message: I am sorely troubled by the articles Jean-Pol Martin and Learning by teaching. These articles (and others) have been placed in WP by Dr. Martin himself, under the name User:Jeanpol, thus violating some basic precepts of WP. These articles seem to be linked to each other in the "See also" section. There has already been some comment about these articles, but it seems to have lapsed, and meanwhile they continue to exist. Could you kindly take a look and suggest a course of action? Sincerely,GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to help, but it's difficult to understand which request has to be deal with. If you are troubled, you just have to read the contributions on the top of this page. As you will see, your problem was deeply discussed in the past and was resolved by highly competent users.--Jeanpol (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: This page at Google Scholar may be helpful. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Eastmain Thank you! Jeanpol (talk) 14:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Scholar

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1. 1984: Bayerisches Fernsehen: Aus Forschung und Lehre
2. 1992: Bayerisches Fernsehen: Aus Forschung und Lehre
3. 2002: DER SPIEGEL: Guten morgen liebe Zahlen
4. 2004: Reinhard Kahl: Treibhäuser der Zukunft. Wie in Deutschland Schulen gelingen., 3-DVD-Set mit Booklet, ISBN 3-407-85830-2.
5. 2008: ZEIT-online: Schüler als Lehrer  
6. 2009: GEO WISSEN: Nr. 44 - 11/09 - Die ideale Schule Jeanpol (talk) 12:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary sources

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I retired 2008, not 2007.Jeanpol (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So this is a thing, where people find WP frustrating.  We edit based on what reliable sources say. The Goethe House piece, from November 2007, says "“Also against resistance, right up to today,” the educationalist, who is now retired, said. He has now given the scientific responsibility for LdL over to Adj. lecturer Joachim Grzega, who is continuing to spread and refine the method at the University of Eichstätt."  ... So... Jytdog (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand. But are you not enthousiastic about the outstanding article? This was a very succesfully collaboration. I don't see any reason to be frustrated!Jeanpol (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm glad of that! Jytdog (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Retired