Talk:Howard Stern/Archive 2

message: "On January 15, 1998 Lance Carvin, who had been stalking Stern, was sentenced to two and a half years in prison for threatening to kill Stern and his family."
I think this is absolutely disrespectful towards humanity. Stern is allowed to make fun of others publicly and earn money that way while being backed up by fans and lawyers, but the ones that see what's wrong in our world, wanting to put down the powerful people who use their position to further their selfish opinion, they get their mouths shut. Guest Account 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't threaten to kill someone. Plain and simple. That crosses the line in the eyes of the law, no matter who it is. Payneos 08:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The wealthy white man

message: There is no article for Blumpkin, the page (incorrectly) links to Howard Stern. Can someone corect this?
Blumpkin was originally used in "Dirty Work."
I propose we remove the Blumpkin section and just add a note about the fine to the 2000's section.  LilDice 12:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to its own page. I don't really know why it is here. Yes, he got fined for it, but I really don't think we need a list of things Stern got fined for. Especially since the FCC fining the show is in the past. Redd Dragon 17:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirected from Blumpkin? 

message: It seems that the following passage (from the "2000s" section of the "Radio Show" category) should be supported with specific examples and/or citations.
"On the opposite side, Stern has also been accused of taking bits from other media personalities. Several personalities have accused Stern of not giving credit to, or acknowledging, others for their ideas in which Stern has incorporated in to using in his show."
-> Which media personalities have made these accusations and what do they consist of?
:I second it, you should at least give one example  if  you're making an accusation like that. Hollosyt 16:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed Hollosyt 19:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...taking bits from other media personalities..." 

message: Where should we add this, and what else should be in it besides the O&A gagging. If we can't find more to add then that we should perhaps add the O&A gagging to the 90's section of the show since that's when it happened?
Hollosyt
:I added an entry about the gag order to the 1990s section, using information from the article at .  I couldn't find an actual date, and according to O&A's Wikipedia article they were hired by WNEW in mid 1998, so I wrote that the order was first placed 'in the late 90s'.  If anyone has a more specific date, please add it.  
:Also, looking at the 1990s section I see that some of the former 'enemies' are listed there - I personally don't think the Anna Nicole or Rachel whatever-her-name incidents are all that noteworthy, so I didn't bother readding them.   MGlosenger 23:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Les Moonves lawsuit is a good notable incident for the Sirius Notable Incidents section, but I'm sure that goes without saying. Payneos 12:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a seperate  section  underneath the Radio Show section. We will have to give it a higher level section later once more since it is such a major event. LilDice 18:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Incidents Section

message: Howard Stern is a well-known staunch opponent of circumcision , I think this is relevant enough to be mentioned in the article. - Stormwatch 23:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is certainly interesting, but I'm not sure it's all that relevant to his biography, perhaps it would be more relavent on a page about circumcision? I'm also not sure why you call him an 'inactivist'. LilDice 00:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You read it wrong. It's intactivist. See: Genital integrity. - Stormwatch 00:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, new word for me, anyway do you see my point? I think standing on it's own it's a bit out of place, perhaps we could add a section for Stern causes. Things like free speach, animal rescue(north shore animal league), 9/11 (raised lots of $$$)... LilDice 01:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that's a good idea. - Stormwatch 17:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stern the intactivist (Other Stern Causes) 

message: We could really trim this down. Some sayings like oooh cunty! never really took off. Also, I noticed "This is gettin' to be ri-god-damn-diculous!" is attributed to John Wayne, isn't that actually a quote from an outtake of a Casey Casum (sp?) recording  session? LilDice 12:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it could be trimmed, but that quote really was John Wayne. Casey Kasem said "Fucking ponderous!" Foday 20:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Common Sayings

message: What about either starting a new page or adding a new section that lists every single FCC fine leveled against Stern. I did a bit of  research this morning and found  with a google query like: "Howard Stern Show" inurl:Orders site:fcc.gov you will find a list of the fines since 1994 but no older ones. I haven't done much more research than that, but I think it would be a noble pursuit to take on. Anyone interested? LilDice 13:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fines Section?

message: I am reposting this because some idiots want to continue to vandalize a page. Redd Dragon 13:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you cared about actually providing information instead of vandalizing articles you would realize Howard played these tapes on his terrestrial radio show when they came out. He played them on his first day because he couldn’t play the uncensored versions before and now he could. Fighting over who played them uncensored first is irrelevant and stupid. Redd Dragon 14:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed, let's say (even though it's not true) that Howard Never played them at all. Why is it relevant that O&A played them first? O&A have nothing to do with a Biography on Howard Stern. LilDice 19:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we block 71.192.77.113? He or she just put in the same O & A blurb again. This article isn't about O & A. Foday 03:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to block me. If it upsets you that much (even though it's fact), I won't repost it. But I felt it was necessary because Stern touted the tapes as an "exclusive" and the "first time they were being aired uncensored". I was simply pointing out that O&A did it 8 months before in the same medium that Stern started in January. User:BTC316 12:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if that is accurate, those claims by Stern are not repeated in the article, so there is no need to address them there. SubSeven 04:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry those claims aren't accurate. Stern never said they were exclusive or the first time being aired uncensored. They were just one of the first things that Stern wanted to play uncensored that he was unable to play on Terrestrial Readio LilDice 19:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember that, so unless you can find a source it's not relevant. Anyway before anyone on the radio played it it was played on the internet. 13:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat O'Brien Sex Tape 

message: I removed the Wack Pack revelations because they are a small bit that isn’t important enough to list it in this already long article. There is a revelation wiki and that’s where it should be. Unless the article directly involves him or any cast member I don’t see why the full information should be included when there is a better place for it. Plus the fact we have duplicate articles that nobody seems to want to delete (Deletion of the “Revelation Show” wiki article failed). Redd Dragon 17:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, no need for them. LilDice 19:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revelation Show 

message: Hey Redd Dragon, you mentioned that he owns them forever. I thought Howard said that he had them for 20 years. Was he joking? I got the news from his live show as it was announced. I'll relisten to the replay to make sure. --LiK 15:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, my mistake. He said he had the tapes from the last 20 years. I had misinterpreted his announcement. I was so excited that I fumbled that info. Thanks for the correction. :) --LiK 15:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was reading more and I read Sirius only controls it until 2010. I am not sure if they mean after that it goes back into the control of Howard or back to CBS. Redd Dragon 05:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Tapes

message: In this article, Opie & Anthony are mentioned as being Howard's rivals. I think this should be removed. Howard himself has stated that he doesn't view it as a rivalry.68.224.239.240
MacDonald's probably doesn't see Wendy's as a rival, but they are. Here the two different people compete in an identical medium with very similar material. They are rivals. Bluetubist 22:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think an O&A mention is really even relevant in an article about Howard Stern, however there are many O&A vandalists who insist on mentioning them in the article, so we'll have to live with it.... LilDice 13:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've already established that Opie and Anthony and Howard Stern both deserve mentions in each other's articles. It's a matter of keeping it NPOV, factual, and accurate that is the problem. Payneos 14:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Payneos. I'm not an O & A fan, and think irrelevant references should be kept out, but they don't need to be banned from this article either. I don't think the term "rivals" is a big deal. Foday 15:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I listened to Howard for years, I used to listen to O and A when they were on NEW and do again now that they are on Free FM. I read everything above.. bring back the enemies section. Put Opie and Anthony on it. I remember many days in the past when the two had huge fights. Howard would censor anything they could say about him, call the whole NEW station a copy of him and a bunch of clones and also made fun of what happend to O and A with them getting fired. Whether Howard is their enemy or not, O and A have a hatred toward him making them enemies. O and A's article has an enemies section, Howard should and as a fan of both of them I can say that yes Opie and Anthony should be on the list even if both are making nicey nice like they wish each other well. Anyway put back the enemies of the show list .. it is a big part of Howards history and what he has had to deal with and why he has enemies. Removing it for the reasons of not having to see Opie and Anthony listed is kinda silly I have to say. That was not a good resolution to the problem and if anything has taken away to the flavor of Howards page here. People can disagree what goes on or not here but removing whole sections due to one listing that is disagreed seems like a bad compromise. I think you can add maybe in the write up for Opie and Anthony enemies of show listing here that it is questionable how much of enemies they are as they both make nice on the air but I was listening the other day and Opie was really going off on how much he hates how much of a phony Gary Delabate is and then Opie said that if he ever gets into a room with Howard it won't be pretty. If thats not enemies I don't know what is. Stop with the cover ups folks. They don't like each other. Put the enemies back up and lets just move past this already. PantheraLeo 05:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really great that you remember many days in the past when they had huge fights. It's also a good thing this article is not based on your memory! We all agreed tdhat the only thing that was notable about O&A is that Stern had them gagged -- that is interesting and notable. However sources have been provided that show Howard does not feel O&A are enemies. If anything Howard is a much bigger part of O&A's act that O&A are of Howard's.....sorry, but that's just the facts. LilDice 13:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just giving my opinion whether you agree or not. I like both of them and think they both have something to offer. Howard is the best and still has it and always will. O and A offer something different but with some familiarity. I think a enemies of the show part is a vital part here even if Opie and Anthony aren't on the list it should be here in some form or fashion. Its always been a part of the show and and still is even if Howard has mellowed out a tad on the enemies thing its still  a part of what makes his show fun. But hey I can only just give an opinion. If a certain few feel that the best way to cover things up is by avoiding it all together then so be it. I just don't think its doing this section justice by handling it in the way it has been. But I still think Howard rules and O and A are fun as is the rivalry that I feel exists. But that's just my two cents. We will see what the future holds for this when others have a say on what should and shouldn't be here as time goes on. Opinions are just like butt holes, everyone has em. So just giving mine here as a fan on what I would like to see vs. how things were resolved. :) PantheraLeo 22:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opie and Anthony -- Rivals? 

message: Seriously though, Blumpkin hasn't been said on the show in ages. It should be under a seperate fines and punishment section. The only real reason it's so important is because this is how he got a big fine. I think it's important, but it's in the wrong area. Common Show Bits and Sayings is mainly for clips played on the show about every day. I don't know, just my 2 cents. Skilanky64 02:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree, please help me add to the fines section temp page at Temp:Howard_Stern_Show_Fines LilDice 19:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Blumpkin so important that it has a sub-heading? 

message: I once read in the dilbert book intro for "Journey to Cubeville", where scott was answering some questions. One of them was, and I quote: "Q: Do praying mantises burp? A: Yes, if they run with their mouths open. That causes huge air pockets to form in their thoraxes, not to mention their boraxes and pickaxes. That air has to go somewhere, otherwise the praying mantis gets bigger and bigger until eventually it buys dark glasses and becomes Howard Stern. But that only happened once."
Think it could be added? I'm no good at the formal tone of fun facts. See ya. --15px|HomfrogHomfrogTell me a story!Contribulations15px|Homfrog 00:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This really doesn't have any place in an encyclopedia? What's the point, to make fun of his appearance? LilDice 12:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dilbert 

message: I trimmed down the obvious POV from this section it was getting so large it was rivaling the size of the sections about the actual radio show. LilDice 23:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain to me how this was the writer's point of view? I don’t think you understand that POV means the writer’s point of view. Quoting Howard Stern doesn’t not violate any point of view rule in Wikipedia. The quote explains why he put a gag order on them. From his point of view he felt that they are imitators and wouldn’t last a day without mentioning his name. You are simply trying to remove the appropriate quote for a quote taken out of context in an attempt at making him look bad. I fixed the quote taken out of context. Redd Dragon  talk contributions  02:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Payneos, I see where you're coming from. Print quotes are frequently taken out of context, because they don't convey the tone of the statement. Now, if you don't allow the imitators quote, then I could use the same thing about the censorship quote. I think since this is a biogrphy article obviously quotes from the person involved will be from his own POV, that's why they are quoted! LilDice 19:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  O&A Gag Order 

message: "Above all, Stern is a finder and cultivator of talent, bringing together a unique and eclectic collection of creative and funny characters and mixing them into an original, ongoing, and ever-evolving entertainment form. In this sense, Stern is a modern-day Andy Warhol."
What is this? A commercial? Why is this ridiculously praising paragraph in an encyclopedia article? This needs some serious de-POV-ing.
80.60.172.181 20:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first paragraph 

message: This article is pro-Howard! Waaaaaahhhhh! Foday 06:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Waaaaaaahhh!

message: Looking for suggestions on citation style of this article from some more experianced users. Currently it appears we are using the Embedded Link style, however there is no references section. Should we just start adding a references section or should we switch to footnote or Harvard style? I think it's time to clean this article up in either case. Time to get down to work instead of just updating the soundbite section :)
LilDice 23:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added footnote style citations to the page, if I've missed any please add them. Also we need more sources, that's a pretty lame list we have there! When adding new sources please use footnote style. LilDice 17:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference Section/Citation style

message: I've reorginized the headings, I think it's much more clearly organized now. Hope I didn't hurt any feelings! LilDice 20:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Topic Reorginizaation