Talk:Societal and cultural aspects of Tourette syndrome

message: I have reviewed the 29 October, 2006 nomination for Good Article and have the following feedback before I would recommend this for a good article:
*There are a lot of one- and two-sentence paragraphs in the article.  These short paragraphs disrupt the flow of the article and make it jumpy.
*The very first sentence of the article is confusing.  I don't understand what it is trying to say.
*There is some bits of jargon in the early part of the article that the average reader wouldn't understand.  Examples:
**Tourette syndrome occurs along a spectrum of tic disorders, which includes transient tics and chronic tics.
**...relative to their parents, than predicted by the usual model of regression to the mean.
*What are all the vague references to Laura Schlessinger about?  Her picture is in the article and there's one vague sentence about her, but nothing is mentioned about the controversy.  Please explain what was said or done.
*In the legal section, statistics are used without a frame of reference.  TS was implicated in 150 cases, 21 of which were criminal.  150 cases out of how many?  Is the article saying that 150 cases is a lot, or a little?
*The introduction, latent advantages section, and legal section are difficult to read.  The prose doesn't flow very well, especially part of the latent advantages section that reads like it was cut and pasted out of an academic journal.  Too technical, the reader has to do too much deciphering to figure out what is being said.  Many of the paragraphs frequently switch from active to passive voice.  Try to eliminate the use of passive voice to improve readability.
*The "legal" section needs a more descriptive title.
I'll keep an eye on the article and put a hold on the nomination to give some time to work out the revisions.  Good luck and feel free to ask for clarifications.  Neil916 (Talk) 07:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Repeat message (most unfortunate that another author put up four articles for GA at once, all written by me, without inquiring if these articles were ready or if I had time to finish them.)  Thanks for the input, Neil916, but there's no need to give it time.  As I've explained elsewhere, I did not nominate the article for GA, someone put all the TS daughter articles up for review just as I was traveling and did not have time to finish them, I am the only author, and I don't have time for this polishing/finishing right now.  My preference would be to remove them all from GA, and strike all GA templates from the page:  I'm not a fan of the entire GA process anyway, and would not have submitted these articles:-)  When I have time to polish and finish the article, I will ask for review from the medical project and other copyeditors I know, and not from GA.  I'm sorry you had to go to the trouble; thanks again for the input. I will finish these articles when I have time, and then submit them for peer review at the Medicine Project.  Sandy (Talk) 14:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: In recent fanmail, the European dance-techno star Basshunter appears to also suffer from Tourette's syndrome. This fact also appears on the Wikipedia article for Basshunter. 128.101.201.182 07:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To add it here, we need a WP:RS, preferably English - I haven't located one.  Sandy (Talk) 13:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: ,  and  should be enough.--MartinUK (talk) 00:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   Added.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basshunter 

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message: A scholarly source for Johnson:
* Pearce JM. Doctor Samuel Johnson: 'the great convulsionary' a victim of Gilles de la Tourette's syndrome (PDF). J R Soc Med. 1994 Jul;87(7):396-9. .
Colin°Talk 17:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice!  Printing to read, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Samuel Johnson 

message: What about the well known internet celebrity?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.106.21 (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because internet celebrities are usually made famous in a negative, malicious, sarcastic sense. People point and laugh at them. They're not liked for something they can approve themselves.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.4.133.153 (talk) 22:23, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

text: So, it's a case of PoV. That is, funny or not funny? 85.97.5.140 (talk) 11:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Given that the Tourettes Guy is a notable figure with Tourette syndrome, and it'd be POV not to include him in the article, I don't see why we should omit him from the article. I say we include him regardless of the biased opinions of others. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 21:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neglecting of course any real indication that he actually had Tourette's?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, that. I guess we just assumed he had Tourette because of his name. Never mind, then. We'll wait until we find such indication. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 23:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, but 1) it wasn't necessary for him to admit the obvious, and 2) he is still not notable.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourette's Guy 

message: Text removed:   Please see WP:MEDMOS and provide a quote from a reliable source indicating he has actually been diagnosed with TS.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Robert Ashley]]

message: The section on legal issues is employing a phrasing that is somewhat biased. In particular describing the insurance problems as a nightmare. (e.g., The insurance "nightmare" that exists for thousands of people with TS.) The cited source is a group that is specifically advocating for TS rights (specifically rights to insurance). This wording is based on a biased source. I have edited this to be slightly less problematic. 24.6.54.186 (talk) 18:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightmare scare quote usage 

message: I believe that he has confirmed that he was diagnosed with Tourettes, and therefore warrants inclusion in the article.--96.52.132.224 (talk) 11:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: David Sedaris contained a citation that didn't verify the text cited (I own that book), and this provides additional context.  If you can provide reliable sources and an accurate accounting in the Sedaris article, it can be discussed here, if it can be shown he has a legitimate diagnosis and has made a lasting impression upon perception of the condition (I haven't heard of him in TS circles or otherwise).  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  And, appears promotional.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Sedaris 

message: The memoir Welcome To Biscuit Land: A Year In The Life Of Touretteshero () by Jessica Thom will be published in early October 2012.--Auric (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming memoir 

message: sorry for the delay in coming back to this.
# Text added by JJA Richardson between 24 and 27 April: 
# Text removed by SandyGeorgia on 15 May:  
# Text reinstated by JJARichardson on 17 May without discussion:  see WP:BRD.   This is edit warring (see BRD, please discuss if you have been reverted once after boldly adding contentious text).
The cited source,  says:Unfortunately, there are no reports by physicians about the frequency of these movements. As Cobain used several drugs and medicines, these may also have caused or exacerbated his tics, making it difficult to determine whether these movements were secondary, idiopathic or associated with possible TS.
That is, there are multiple (non-Tourette's) causes of tics, (see tourettism) that could explain Cobain's alleged movements and this article specifically states that it cannot be determined if Cobain had Ts or if his movements were due to a secondary cause.   When the text was reinstated without discussion or consensus, the edit summary said, " ... based on a peer-viewed source. Cobain's case is no less speculative than Mozart's."  The text about Mozart is there because it specifically explains why the substantial speculation about Mozart is likely wrong.  It goes without saying that Mozart is a much more widely studied musician than Cobain.  There are 19 reports of Mozart and Tourette's in Pubmed, many of them by the highest authorities on Tourette's (e.g. Kushner, Jankovic).  There is ONE report on Cobain-- the very weak article cited here, which does NOT conclude anything and is not worthy of mention in this article.  The article is weak, highly speculative, and does not conclude anything about Cobain and TS.  If more reputable and numerous sources discuss with more detail anything about Cobain's reported movements, than it may be worthy of mention.    The text should be removed and the article restored to the version before the edit warring. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay thanks will do. Moved this here "Rock musician and Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was suggested as having had TS in 2015 based on Cobain's history of OCD symptoms and facial and verbal tics observed in video interviews, along with his obscene and scatological journal entries and song lyrics. In Utero (1993), Nirvana's final studio album before Cobain's suicide at age 27 in 1994, included a song called "Tourette's"." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cobain 

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