Talk:2007 Venezuelan referendum protests

message: Sandy: numerous edit conflicts. Are you working on this? I can move it to my sandbox Xavexgoem (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's all I can do for now; it's all yours :-)  I'll check in later.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Query

message: This doesn't have to be addressed immediately, and we can wait for others (hopefully JRSP) to weigh in, but this article is incorrectly titled, because it doesn't allow for May 2007 RCTV protests.  There were other 2007 Venezuela demonstrations, so this article title needs to somehow distinguish between the two.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunno...devote this entirely to 2007 protests, and a header for referendum protests? Xavexgoem (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about this yet; it's not urgent.  I left a note for JRSP, and we'll figure it out soon enough.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Present title is too general. Small scale demonstrations happen in Venezuela on a daily basis, people take seriously their right to demonstrate here. We must think on a title focusing on the bigger demonstrations and on the student movements. JRSP (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change

message: Not good at this bit. Currently, the November bits read like prose and don't offer anything about the yes and no voters. I think I can manage the student bit to some degree (quotes, in particular, and good cites); but the "Yes" voters remain somewhat in the dark, and the only cites for them (VA, et al) are unreliable, or I haven't found them yet. Not my strong point. Help? 
Note: I've added comments in the edit if that helps any Xavexgoem (talk) 16:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oops, edit conflict, lost my response.  I can't recall if you read Spanish?  The context, basically, for the yes voters is that Chavez is perceived to be their only hope (correctly or not), they felt/were ignored by previous administrations and/or the Chavez opposition, and Chavez has given them a lot of handouts; for all of these reasons and others you'll find in the sources (like some less benevolent ones, such as, implications that you may be fired if you don't support me), they support his ideals even if they didn't support the perceived "power grab" of the referendum.  There are tidbits about that throughout all of the sources linked back in the main article, but you have to be certain to maintain balance on both sides.  You can touch on the hope that Chavez offered his supporters, well covered in the sources.  One of the difficult things to get used to on Wiki is to orient yourself away from what you want to write (clear your mind :-), and just pour through all the sources and summarize what reliable sources say.  The info you seek is out there in all those sources, but you just have to sort through all of them—it's very time consuming :-)  The problems with the earlier WP:SOAPBOX articles occurred because editors just wrote what they wanted to say, rather than focusing on due weight according to reliable sources.  I believe there is some good info in the Spanish sources listed on the talk page of the other article.  I can dig in to help you tonight, but I have a long app't this afternoon, so I can't get much done today.  I suggest starting by digging back through and reading all of the sources on the other article (talk page and in the article),  and you'll probably find more info there than you think. JRSP tends to pop in later in the day, so hopefully he'll give you some help in my absence.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks for your help. It'll be a while then before I update this particular bit. Interestingly, this is the only bit of Spanish I remember from high school: no hablo español ;) Xavexgoem (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, ok, I'll try to help you tonight, but I've got a ton of stuff on my plate and I really want to address the imbalances in the other article ASAP (so little time, so much to do!).  It would be nice if some of the other bilingual editors, who are so quick to delete text from the other article without discussion, would instead come over here and help you build text ... deleting is easy, building is hard.   :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: having difficulty summarizing the extent the student movement had on the overall opposition. I can name a few reasons (uni direct votes, "spoiled brat" reference) but I'm interested to know exactly why the students had such power (so to speak) in the first place. Xavexgoem (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't have a one- or two-sentence answer, X; it involves the entire recent history of Venezuela, and if you don't know that part, we can't quickly fill you in.  Basically, the students were important because EVERYONE was sick of the old political parties, the new opposition bothced everything, and the students weren't affiliated with the old or new parties and opposition.  They were a new, fresh voice for democracy.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm on the wrong track then. I need someone to fill in the blanks, because currently I have Students are opposed for x reason, y reason, and z reason (or whatever), and I need x+y+z, if you follow me. Xavexgoem (talk) 18:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: X, the way I work on Wiki is I read the reliable sources to extract and summarize text according to due weight as reflected across all sources. It is time-consuming hard work; what you would have to do to write this article is the same thing I would do: start reading all the sources, extract the valuable summary.  There's no shortcut :-)  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have a while to think about it :) I'll be off for a while Xavexgoem (talk) 18:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Summarized fairly better. I'm not finding a cite (Spanish?) that connects students to the university proposals, which I figure are important. Xavexgoem (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context 

message: Excuse me. WHO removed all the valuable information from this article?!!! HOW  is it improving an article to cut out 80% of the content?!!! please reply. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What valuable content?  The undue weight poorly sourced editorializing?  Please clarify and list here any well sourced content accorded to due weight that needs to be re-added.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for your reply; this is addressed above. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article shortening 

message: Hi i put some pics of students protests in venezuela
--190.72.233.81 (talk) 18:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the hosing and the masked guy holding what appears to be a glue gun. The video of the campus incident is already provided (and I doubt info will be forthcoming as to it's real nature, so maybe best to steer clear from, imho). The hosing would be fine if it weren't for the lack of context. I don't know what party was participating in the mass demonstration, so I can't say for certain that the pics are balanced, but this is OK to me. Xavexgoem (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pics 

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