Talk:Henry Berry Lowry

message: How is it that an observation of Mediterranean bandits can be attributed to an outlaw in North Carolina?    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobby Hurt (talk • contribs) 20:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Sant Cassia observed that Mediterranean bandits

message: This is more or less a hagiography. Chicheley 19:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Verklempt is not the author of the comments you are responding to above. Factiness is the author. However, Verklempt notes that Factiness offers verifiable evidence, while the anonymous commenter offers naught but ad hominem about credentials. And can't even get his/her facts straight on that.Verklempt 00:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't write the above, but I am familiar with the Robeson County Jones family genealogy. They descend from a free man of color and his slave wife, whose children moved from Anson County to Robeson in the early 1800s. This ancestor described himself as FPC--not Indian--in his own petition to the court.Verklempt 14:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the challenge would be to link Richard Jones with contemporary Robeson descendants. Many speculators received grants in Bladen but never lived there, Henry Berry being one well-known example. I don't have my Jones data at hand, but if you look at the Anson court records for the 1790s, you will find the ancestor of the Robeson Jones family petitioning the court for his children's freedom. The early Robeson Jones list Anson as their birthplace, and have the same names and ages as the slave kids with the free father in the Anson records. It's a strong link.Verklempt 15:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Re the 1930s anthropometric testing--I question the value of the "oral history" recorded in those genealogies. There are some whopping errors in the genealogies that the participants reported to the govt researchers. This casts doubt on the validity of the oral histories. I also agree with the Lumbee petition authors that the anthropometric techniques of that era have dubious validity. If you accept the validity of that approach to determining ethnic history, then you also have to accept the validity of William Pollitzer's findings.Verklempt 04:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Four tilde marks tell WP to sign your posts for you. Use colons to indent.Verklempt 14:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I was talking about Lowry descendants not knowing that Allan had two wives, and thus not knowing which one was their line. Even the most educated guy in the bunch got that one wrong.Verklempt 18:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say that it is amusing to see some of you chasing your tails about my ancestry.  Your Heinegg contradicts Norment's 'Lowrie' genealogy regarding Kersey.  My own hideously unreliable oral tradition seems to agree with Heinegg. Carry on.  DF Lowry
Very intiresting discussion here.  Although I do sense some very strong views being present that I don't personally agree with, I do appreciate the manner in which this subject has been discussed in this particular instance.
Personally it appears that noone on here (justifiably by the way, as I don't either) really takes the Cheraw claim seriously and it also appears that everyone on here seems to believe (blood quantum asside) that the Lumbee have at least some Indian blood and that the Tuscarora are indeed at least the most likely source of that blood.  Although this is not the consensus I hope to one day see, it's definately a big step in the right direction.
So to me it appears that the issues on the table now are more along the lines of how much Indian blood the Lumbee/Tuscarora have, whether all of them even have any, and why it is that most weren't listed as Indian if they had enough Indian blood to really matter.
Personally I understand the logic behind saying that they weren't Indian because they weren't listed as Indian.  I can respect anybody's right to develope their views based on the facts as they understand them in their own mind, as I tend to be a very sceptical/analytical person myself.
And I will admit (as I am a realist myself) that virtually every Lumbee/Tuscarora alive today more than likely has some kind of non-Indian ancestry, be it white, black, or some degree of both.  And in many cases I think that Heinegg and Demarce did a pretty good job showing this to some degree.  I have discussed many of my disagreements with their work before, so I won't repeat them all again here as it will probably distract from the arguments I want to present at this time. 
For the record (As I have noted in the past), personally I have not been convinced that the geneology Heinegg and Demarce give linking ancestral Lumbee/Tuscarora families in Northeastern North Carolina to non-Indian families from Virginia is correct (in most cases their evidence gets very week here) in roughly 2 out of 3 cases involving Robco ancestors.  But let's say "hypothetically" that it is.  Even "IF" everything that they said is 100% accurate, it still doesn't prove that Lumbee/Tuscarora ancestors didn't have large (as in 1/2 or 3/4+ in many cases) degrees of Indian blood.
Here's why: In many cases they go 3, 4, even 5 generations listing only one parent in every generation.  Even if a person really was 1/2 black and 1/2 white and really was the real ancestor of an ancestral Lumbee/Tuscarora family, that still doesn't prove that Lumbee/Tuscarora ancestors weren't strong blooded Indians. For example: If John Smith was a bonefide mullatoe who's children's mother is unknown, whose grandchildren's mother is unknown, and whose great-grandchildren's mother is unknown that would mean that we know his great grandchildren definately are 1/16 white, 1/16 black, and 14/16 "UN-KNOWN!"
So even "IF" Heinegg and Demarce's genealogical connections are all correct (which isn't the case), and even "IF" every person was racially classed as what they really were (which also isn't the case), being that the scenario in the latter paragraph is the A-typical scenario for most Robco families in Heinegg and Demarce's research before they got to Robeson County, their is still "NO PROOF" that generations upon generations of Lumbee/Tuscarora ancestors weren't Indian.  Heinegg and Demarce do seem to have explained where traces (as what they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt are only traces) of black and white attributes among Robeson Indians came from (which by the way definately wasn't McMillans Lost Colony), but they don't even come close to accounting for why so many of our people today still physically look very much Indian!
Perhaps some folks may not feel that many Robco Indians today look Indian to any significant degree.  Well I guess you are entitled to feel as you wish if you like.  But personally (being a person that has travelled to quite a few different Indian communities in my life time and also being a person who has lived in Robeson County) the indisputable proof to strong Indian ancestry (perhaps not everyone, but definately enough to matter) that I have is what my own eyes have shown me and no paper genocide will ever be able to legitimately refute this obviouse truth!Bobby Hurt 01:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV notice

message: It has been asked to add a photo of Henry in order to improve the page, which i have attempted to do several times. Unfortunately, the pic has been deleted several times now. How do I keep the pic intact? The photo is the only known photo that has been accepted as being Henry, which was taken over 150 years ago. Can someone explain why it continues to be denied?--Roskerah 01:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I remember singing a song about HBL in my elementary school in NC in the 1980s.  What I remember of the chorus is "Henry Berry Lowrie is my hero/He's a great Indian man/Whenever there was trouble/He would make a stand."  Perhaps someone who knows more about the song could put something a mention in the article, by way of cultural reference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.107.196 (talk) 21:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: I remember singing a song about HBL in my elementary school in NC in the 1980s.  What I remember of the chorus is "Henry Berry Lowrie is my hero/He's a great Indian man/Whenever there was trouble/He would make a stand."  Perhaps someone who knows more about the song could put something a mention in the article, by way of cultural reference?    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.107.196 (talk) 21:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: The third paragraph of this section looks like either original research or something that was meant to be a quote related to the previous two paragraphs. I'm tempted to add citation needed tags to it, but even if it had citations, it's not congruous with the rest of the section. I'd delete it outright, but if it's legit and just improperly punctuated, that would kind of suck (and I'm a noob at all this). Stelorl (talk) 00:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend and significance 

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 03:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: There is no known picture of Henry Berry Lowrie. The picture you have is of my great-great-grandfather, Quin Godwin. It was taken from his son's house 40 years ago under false pretenses to use in a booklet, and never returned. His son was my Grandpa William Purcell Godwin's uncle, John Godwin. It is ironic that you are using a picture of a white man in place of Henry Berry Lowrie, who was proven to be an Indian. 
Please correct it. Quinn had two Indian wives, Sally Hammans and Mary Sampson, but was himself a white man originally from Cumberland County.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean Chavers (talk • contribs) 06:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Berry Lowrie picture 

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thread_title:  Lowry's rifle? 

message: This article is mostly lifted from a claimed (POV) source. Why is it still here as more than a stub? 142.126.146.27 (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism