Talk:Sinti

message: Any mileage in this? Elvis Presley's ancestors were Sinti http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ophelia105 (talk • contribs) .
It's worth pointing out that Elvis has been claimed by "researchers" pushing any number of dubious ethnological assertions. C.f. Melungeons. Laodah 18:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  famous Gypsies 

message: The world-class Italian footballer Andrea Pirlo appears to be of Sinti descent. I've heard this story from several reputable acquaintances. The last name Pirlo is apparently a Sinti one.Below please find an article from the web page of an Italian magazine: "L'Espresso"
Giacomo Consalez, Milan, Italy 
 
http://espresso.repubblica.it/visioni/societa/2012/05/14/news/la-vera-storia-di-pirlo-lo-zingaro-1.43098
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.56.188.0 (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: When Mohammad bin Qasim AthThaqafi, the commander of Islamic forces in 7th century CE, opened the Sind for the Islamic Caliphate after rescuing the Sarandeep (Srilanka now) Muslim pilgrims from Raja Daher of Daibel (near Karachi port now), he sent to Governor of Iraq & his relative, AlHajjaj bin Yusuf AthThaqfi, novelty gifts from Sind. They included: the books of the astronomical observatory there [which contained the mathematics of astronomy of that era & which had the Indian numerals 1 to 9 but {without zero} & which after translating to Arabic, the Muslim scientists added zero & adopted to 'Arabic' numerals {not to be confused with the Arabic  numerals called in the West} in Arabic language & developed the decimal system & arithmetic & mathematics & then in the Arabic Maghreb the 'Ghabara ' numerals known in the West as the Arabic numerals, which they were transferred to Europe through the traders of Venice as needed to keep their books of accounting, as they could not add in the Roman numerals used at that time there & introduced in the West officially by the publishing of the book by European Mathematician Fibonacci in 1206AD], elephants &  gypsies ("زط" or "Zoot" in Arabic) (as a troupe who would entertain). But after sometime the gypsies multiplied & caused problem of law & order in Kufa, the provincial capital of Iraq, so the governor sent them away to the border northwards with the Islamic forces, to free the city of them. So they moved northwards with the Islamic forces until they reached Europe with the expansion of the Islamic state. Source: The Book: "بطل السند" ( or 'The Hero of Sind')
ILAKNA (talk) 17:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gifts From Sind 

message: Sinti people look very indo European while Rom are more Semite looking.
for me they are 2 groups that's only common bond is India.
that is like the Persians & Arabs(semites) who hate each other yet are brothers.
Sinti would be more like ethnic white people.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.153.29.52 (talk • contribs) 8 Feb 2006
: Regardless of how they may look to you, anthropologists consider them Indo-European. Their language is certainly Indo-European. - Jmabel | Talk 01:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And did you find any linguist who thinks this is relevant? - Jmabel | Talk 00:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just your mom  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.33.103.56 (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indo European? 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The word "Roma" is creating enough confusion and problems. The word itself is a Romani word with Romani grammar and translates into English as Roms. It is also just one branch of the Romani people who use the word Roma to discribe themselves. Most Romani people do not call themselves "Roma" but most do refer to themselves as Romani. 
::The word "Romani" creates also confusions and problems because it creates a confusion between gypsies, coming from India and Romanians, which are purely Europeans. The question is who wants to create this confusion and why  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.143.93.37 (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct the Sinte are not Roma, they are Romani. 

message: Gitanos not from india,but from ancient Semitic tribes Izrael,then they were in Egypt,and then fought in India,Your history from India is nonsence...
Apparently the Sinte are high in Y DNA R2 (and also I believe H). From what I'm led to believe, both R2 & H are found in high amounts amongst both Romani and also the Sinhala (Singhalese) of Sri Lanka. Again I am no expert here but I believe R2 is also possibly high amongst Brahmin. Perhaps further research into this field would aid the article.
The Sinhala according to linguists are originally from NW India like the Romane only the Sinhala left North India to settle Sri Lanka at an earlier date to that which the Romane leaving India.
It is believed that the Sinhala arriving in Sri Lanka is connected to the mythological story of Rama who left Northern India and invaded and conquered the island of Lanka. The Tamils of Sri Lanka who are the other main group on the island are not related and originate just across the waters in the far south of India (predominently Tamil Nadu).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 (talk) 09:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNA 

message: Notable Sinti
"The Sinti have produced some number of renowned musicians, such as Drafi Deutscher or the jazz guitarists Jimmy Rosenberg and Paulus Schafer. The Sinto Häns'che Weiss produced a record in Germany in the 1970s in which he sang about the Poraimos (Romani Holocaust) in his own language. Many younger Germans first learned about this part of Holocaust history as a result of this recording. Titi Winterstein and several members of Reinhardt's clan still play traditional and modern "Gypsy jazz" all over Europe." If this is a reference to Django Reinhardt, why is he not included among those "jazz guitarists"? Was he Sinti (Sinte, Sinto??) or not?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 23:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reinhardt's clan?" 

message: "Sinti and Roma were deported to Yugoslavia by Hamburg police in 1989." I see that this is sourced, but it has nothing to do with the Holocaust (as it is written... unless, of course, the date is meant to be 1939 (an edit I'm going to make)). Otherwise this needs to be in a different section. CrussianObadagus (talk) 21:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some edits on the Holocaust section 

message: sources for Pirlo being Sinti?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.67.138.7 (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirlo 

message: I haven't any source at hand but anyone involved in writing the article can easily research it.
The word India itself comes from the word Hindi which is a Persian corruption from the original word "Sindi". The root of the word from the Sanskrit is "sin" meaning 'water'. The people of Northern India believed in purifying themselves in the sacred river - hence the word "Sindi". From this we get Hindi --> India.
In the ancient world the Persian accent drops the 's' for a 'h'. Amongst ancient Greeks they would use both the Persian Hindi & also the Sanskrit Sindi (Sindoi I think is the Greek inequivalent). Sindi was the area of the people and not just the river. It cover most of the known world of Northern India.
Sinte like all Romani speak a language identifiable to the Rajasthan & Panjab region of North West India and not to that of the Sind. Is therefore more likely that Sinti derived from the ancient word for the Hindus of the majority North India and not the area named after the river. Tsigano (talk) 14:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sindhi was the ancient word for all of North India 

message: How inexpressibly sad that all the images here are related to the Romani genocide of the Nazis. I hope someone can upload images of the Sinti people/culture.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:32, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: How sad

message: The illustration "Roma and sinti-architecture in the town of Hârşova, Constanţa county, Romania" ist fully false in the article Sinti. In Romania there are no Sinti. Therefore I remove it.--Pachycrapsus (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of a house of a Rom in Romania 

message: Here in the Wikipedia article, Sinti are robbed of their Indian Sindhi identity and ridiculed.
Roma are not Sinti because Roma emigrated as Sinti at different times. 1. The Indian subcontinent is a multi-ethnic state, Northwest India is more diverse than all of Central Europe. Just because both Sinti and Roma come from northwest India, it doesn't mean that we come from the same state. In India alone there are 200+ different peoples, each with ethnic independence (cf. Wikipedia. Category: Ethnic groups in India). Saraikis also live in Pakistani Punjab; they are nevertheless ethnically independent, although their language is similar to that of Punjabi (cf. Wikipedia. Saraiki People).
Sinti were refugees due to the wars in the Sindh Valley in 711 AD. Sinti fled Sindh "not for the fun of hiking". (Cf. TRUNICLE. Raja Dahir the last Hindu King of Sindh. The stem of the word Sindh / Sint is historically verifiable and none of this is a myth. In the last 5,000 Years ago, Sindhi, together with the Sindhi diaspora (the Sinti), shaped the Sindh region (cf. eBusinnesBrief. Sindhudesh: Pakistan's New Headache .....).
Even in Sindh it is assumed that we Sinti are their lost tribe. In the lecturer program "Gypsies or Sinti" organized by the Institute of Sindhology in Jamshoro. (Cf. DAWN.HYDERABAD .: Gypsies hail from Sindh.
Do you think Sinti only live in Central Europe? You were wrong !!!! Of course, Sinti have lived in Southeastern Europe for at least 300 years, apart from that in Russia or the American continents. Romanian Sinti cannot converse with Romanian Roma, neither Serbian Sinti with Serbian Roma nor German Sinti with German Roma. It has similar words here and there, that's true, it is also clear that the same words are also the same in Hindi or Punjabi. Although Hindi is neither Punjabi nor Urdu although they are also similar. BizzelySindh (talk) 18:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Nazi Whitesplaning our Sinti ethnicity we are Not Not Romani 

message: Roma are not Sinti because Roma emigrated as Sinti at different times. 1. The Indian subcontinent is a multi-ethnic state, Northwest India is more diverse than all of Central Europe. Just because both Sinti and Roma come from northwest India, it doesn't mean that we come from the same state. In India alone there are 200+ different peoples, each with ethnic independence (cf. Wikipedia. Category: Ethnic groups in India). Saraikis also live in Pakistani Punjab; they are nevertheless ethnically independent, although their language is similar to that of Punjabi (cf. Wikipedia. Saraiki People).
Sinti were refugees due to the wars in the Sindh Valley in 711 AD. Sinti fled Sindh "not for the fun of hiking". (Cf. TRUNICLE. Raja Dahir the last Hindu King of Sindh. The stem of the word Sindh / Sint is historically verifiable and none of it is a myth. In the last 5,000 Years ago, Sindhi, together with the Sindhi diaspora (the Sinti), shaped the Sindhregion .
Even in Sindh it is assumed that we Sinti are their lost tribe. In the lecturer program "Gypsies or Sinti" organized by the Institute of Sindhology in Jamshoro.
A very well-known book that sinti confirmed their existence on the balkan peninsula is by alexandar hercenberger and hercenberger sandor. the sinti identity is scientifically founded by the slovenian sinto pastor and author rinaldo dirrrichardi reichard. he describes very clearly that sinti cannot be roma. read his books "born as a sinto gypsy, must i now become a romani?" he clearly writes of sinti as an "independent ethnic minority". on page 3: he clearly underlines that the sinti language is not a dialect, but exclusive, page 5: the heterogeneity is clearly emphasized,writes of Sinti as an "independent ethnic minority". On page 3: he clearly underlines that the Sinti language is not a dialect, but exclusive, page 5: the heterogeneity is clearly emphasized, page 14: Sinti had no contact with other Indian nomadic groups (Roma) in India, only with the arrival of Roma in the Balkans, Sinti and Roma met for the first time. Page 18: "... Sinti see the danger of current, progressive and smooth assimilation into the Romani population". You can of course read his scientific evidence in his book! It is irresponsible and disrespectful to ignore these grandiose writings from our Sinti people. Stop with Nazi Taxonomic order against the Sinti identity , Stop deleting my Improvement if you have no idea About us Sinti !!Shame !!
Thats White privilege at it best Here BizzelySindh (talk) 19:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinte are Not Roma Stop Whitesplaining