Talk:Yeomen Warders

message: There is a widely accepted and recorded misconception
of what a Beef eater is, because the change in the 
definition of Beef occurred before etymology was a
study and modern dictionary considered a definitive of 
language. 
But you really don't want to know what a Beef eater actually is, it would just make stupid to know
and ruin the world for you.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.13.201 (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: THESE AREN'T BEEF EATERS

message: I think that the beef-tester-for-the-king theory/idea is well known enough to be mentioned in the article, as an alternative explanation or at least as an urban myth? Mat-C 18:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  eater/taster 

message: why are they called "Yeomen Warders"? Are there any relations between them and yeomen?--202.113.12.191 06:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A response better late than never..? Yes, there is a definite relation between these chaps and yeomen; it's yeomen in the sense of low (but not the lowest) ranking servants in a royal household, not yeomen as in small freeholders. The original single corps was called the King's Body Guard of the Yeomen of the Guard as distinct from the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms, founded slightly afterwards by HVIII. The latter were to be specifically gentlemen whereas the former were "ordinary blokes". In modern times the distinction is maintained in that the Yeoman are all retired NCOs; the latter are all retired officers.Misha An interested observer of this and that 23:37, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  name 

message: I am changing the sentence about the ravens because it contains some inaccuracies.  For more information please read the page on the tower of london itself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_London) for citations; this is my first edit and I am not sure how to link to references yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matthew Hawker (talk • contribs) 16:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ravens

message: the woman is listed,... good.   Cnn  says that the original[s] had been paid w/  beef  (cow),   veal, & lamb.
Should that be there?
 hopiakuta  Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message.  %7e%7e   Thank You. - 16:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, 

message: Did the Beefeaters ever have police powers-or is that just a myth?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.21 (talk) 13:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are a military unit - not police. Roger (talk) 15:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Police powers?

message: While everyone's looking for a deep meaning to the term "beefeater", there actually is a simpler explanation for it.
It's just humor.
The actual real term is "Jail Befitter", someone who's duty is to tend to prisoners and perform tasks related to proper jail administration. At a point in time they would be better treated than regular guards, having much better rations to eat. Jealousy helping, the guards started calling these men "Beef-eaters" in derogation of "Befitters". Simple as that.74.58.228.125 (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, but useless for the article unless you can show use a believable source. - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: It takes a french-canadian guy to explain an english concept

message: I suggest the barrier to understanding the origin of beefeater is the tendancy to jump to conclusions from the apparent word "beef". If instead we split the word as bee/feater we can find a perfectly acceptable explanation, "berfœttr" is old norse for bare legs such as in Magnús berfœttr (norse) or Magnus Barelegs and when pronounced would sound like beefeater. The Beefeater uniform originally had bare lower legs, now they wear stockings or trousers. As the tower of London dates from William the conqueror 1078 and the Danes were in control prior to his conquest (1066), there is adequate history to allow such and old English/Norse term which describes this uniform to enter the vernacular.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_III_of_Norway
http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Magnus_Barelegs
et al
Lev8 (talk) 10:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So in plain English, you are claiming it comes from "bare-footer", but neither of the sources you provide make any such claim. Roger (talk) 11:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As with your similarly outrageous attempt at etymology for Scoti, we can thankfully ignore this one too as WP:OR. Akerbeltz (talk) 14:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More likely origin of Beefeater 

message: Surprised to see a Beefeater wearing modern trousers, as I recall in past decades they wore stockings and breeches. Some comment on this needed in the article. Wearing modern trousers is not good for tourism or historicity, as it makes the uniform seem like just a party costume coat they've put on over modern clothes. 92.15.8.13 (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trousers? 

message: For something that's been in existence for centuries, this article is inordinately focused on the last decade or so. It doesn't even cover things like the grant of the modern undress uniform to them by Queen Victoria and such. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed on the MILHIST talk page, I've created a proper history section to allow expansion in this area.  As promised, I've written a paragraph on the Tudor period.  Hopefully others will now fill in other parts of the history e.g. Victorian changes Monstrelet (talk) 09:29, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recentism 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Detroit Publishing Co. - A Yeoman of the Guard (N.B. actually a Yeoman Warder), full restoration.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 31, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-01-31. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Detroit Publishing Co. - A Yeoman of the Guard (N.B. actually a Yeoman Warder), full restoration.jpg]] to appear as POTD 

message: Hello,
the page says the uniforms are from the Tudor era, though shoes have heels and and a special decoration which were both introduced in about 1610 (check out 1600-1650 in Western European fashion), at the time when James VI/I STUART was king, the same to the hat. Furthermore, since it bears the symbols of England and Ireland WITH the Scottish thistle. AND if you look at the uniforms th The Count of Zielin (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform from the TUDOR ERA??!! 

message: In adherence to the Wikipedia principle that the title of an article ought to be the subject's ordinary name (not its correct name, or its formal name) as used in common speech and plain everyday usage, why is the name of this article not Beefeater?
Nuttyskin (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  name of this article