Template talk:Infobox NHS hospital

message: Before we end up with a horde of hospital types, many of which may be synonymous, should we agree a definitive list (or at least, standard wording)?  It may be pedantic, but we don't want to end up with some articles saying "District General Hospital", others saying "General Hospital", etc.  It's probably easier to get such details ironed out now rather than having to make bulk changes later.  Waggers 15:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I will start the list off with the ones I have been using so far. Types can then be added or removed as we go along. It might be a good idea to wikilink them where an article exists. Road Wizard 15:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I have added an option for Specialist (X) hospital. I think this should be only used though if the hospital is primarily known for the specialism (e.g. a District general hospital with a specialist cancer unit would still be known as a District general hospital. If on the other hand, its main function is cancer treatment with some district general functions as well, it could be listed as a Specialist cancer hospital). Road Wizard 22:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hospital types

message: What statistics should we include in the infobox? Through all of the individual trust and hospital websites I have looked at, there are only a few that provide the same type of statistics, and even fewer that count them in the same way (e.g. some employment figures are given for the hospital and some are given for the trust). Is there a single source available somewhere that collates the figures in a coherent and uniform manner? If so, it would be best if we could adapt the box to suit that source. Road Wizard 19:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's plenty of info available by trust from the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC).  In particluar, workforce data is available  here, by trust only, not by hospital.  (Note: you'll have to add the medical and non medical totals together to get the absolute total.) Waggers 11:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When contributing to the collaboration of the week Aberdeen Maternity Hospital I added the info box but couldn't do figures for inpatient & outpatient as it just says 4-5000 births a year. Also couldn't find any numbers for staff. I also don't know about Scottish counties - any help appreciated. — Rod talk 16:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see Waggers has already amended the article to include the county, so that point is fixed. As to the statistics, I am currently juggling with a few different ideas in my head. I will try to work out which ones are feasible, and ask for your opinions in the next few days. Road Wizard 19:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: Should A&E not be changed to ED, to reflect the newer name?  --JD[don't talk|email] 10:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of ED before. How widely is it used in the NHS? Road Wizard 13:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Official titles have changed over the years - I was a charge nurse when A&E was the preffered term to stop casual attenders at casualty - it didn't work. ED is the US term, being introduced on signs in the NHS, although it will take some time before it gets common usage in the UK (depsite all the US tv series). — Rod talk 14:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep.  Most A&E departments are now signed as "Emergency department" rather than "Accident and Emergency" but the abbreviation A&E is still used far more than ED.  I think the reason for the introduction of ED instead of A&E is to distinguish between walk-in centres and minor injury units (which deal with "accidents") and traditional "casualty" departments, which are really for emergencies only. Waggers 20:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A&E present? 

message: May I suggest that this template be merged into Template:Infobox Hospital (see Template talk:Infobox Hospital for the additional or alternative coding parameters it would need). There are already some UK NHS hospital under that category, and it would be more useful to have just the one hospital template to cover all the likely countries that English speaking editors are likely to add (US, Canada, Ireland, UK, NZ, Australia, South Africa, Caribbean etc). Now I think there are some good additional parameters in this template that need to be preserved (NHS trust etc), and Template:Infobox Hospital is clearly missing an important parameter, namely country.
I appreciate that Template:Infobox Hospital needs some work with conditional parameters before we go any further, but for now can I ask what the outpatient parameter in this template is supposed to be for ? Yes I know what outpatients is, but does this indicate number of consultations, number of distinct patients (who may attend multiple times in a year), does it actually mean anything to the average reader and do any articles actually make use of the parameter ? Likewise is the number of employees that useful to know in an encyclopaedia? Merging of the templates would be easier if we agree that these two parameters are not essential.David Ruben  Talk  01:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what the figure is supposed to be used for Outpatients, but in any case activity data is generally very hard to come by.  I'd argue that number of employees is a property of an NHS trust, not a hospital.  Therefore I'm quite happy to see both parameters removed from this template. Waggers 13:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal - preliminary

message: I've had a couple of suggestions and amended and renamed a couple of the parameters in the proposed upgrade to Template:Infobox Hospital. I would appreciate comment on choice of parameter names, e.g. 'HealthCare' vs. Funding, alternatives to 'Standards' (applies to developing countries with external accreditation certification), 'Region' vs Area (for the current County. but this does not apply outside of UK & US). In the next day or so, I shall implement the changes (see this demonstration) and redirect this UK-centric template across to the generic template... :-) David Ruben  Talk  03:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last call for comment

message: I know you did several calls for comment & I didn't but I've just noticed the affiliated link says "Afilliated med schools" but several seem to link to schools of nursing & allied health - is there any way we can take Med. out of the link?— Rod talk 16:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it can be, I'm not entirely sure it should be - the parameter seems to have been generally used for medical school links only until now, but yes hospitals & healthcare run as much on trained doctors as trained nurses - Hmmmm... If you don't mind I've copied this over to Template talk:Infobox Hospital#Affiliation parameter - to what should it apply ? to see what other opinions are generated :-) David Ruben  Talk  02:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Affiliation parameter - to what should it apply ?

message: All articles that previously used this template have now been upgraded to the expanded generic Template:Infobox Hospital, to which this template now redirects. David Ruben  Talk  02:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template depreciated