Talk:Western Assyrians/Archive 1

message: We need to have seperate Chaldean and Syriac articles explaining why some don't feel they are Assyrian and also that some do and have links pointing to each of the mentioned articles. It's not that difficult. Why are we politicizing Wikipedia? Sharru Kinnu III 17:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chaldean, why do you oppose this article? - Sharru Kinnu III has just answered my reason. Chaldean 17:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split articles

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*Strong Keep: They call themselves "Suryoye Othoroye", which means exactly, Syriac Assyrian. The article's title is completely NPOV. No move is needed. — EliasAlucard|Talk 10:27 17 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
*"Syriacs" is the term for the Assyrian people as a whole, not just for the Syriac Orthodox ones. Thus, a move to "Syriacs" is clearly out of the question. But "Syriac Assyrians" is an extremely confusing name, and is not in fact in use. "Western Assyrians" is the proper term. --dab (𒁳) 08:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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Western Assyrians → Western Syriacs — The current title is a violation of WP:NPOV, since the name Assyrians is highly disputed, both among the people concerned, as in academics. Syriacs is a direct translation of the self-appelation Suryoye/Sur(y)āye. —Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 09:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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*Strong Oppose: Assyrian is not at all highly disputed. In fact, it is used by all academics. Academics and scholars like Richard Nelson Frye, Simo Parpola, and H. W. F. Saggs all use Assyrian. Syrian, is derived from Assyrian. This is also the common terminology by the ethnic group itself. This ethnic group itself, uses the self-designation Assyrian. — EliasAlucard|Talk 12:34 21 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
*Weak Oppose: "Syriacs" and "Assyrians" in a modern context are synonymous. constant switching between the two is confusing. "Western Syriacs" is  clearly more rare than "Western Assyrians", both in scholarly and in common use, by a factor of about 6.
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*dab (𒁳) 13:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 17:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

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*Strong Oppose: Assyrian is not at all highly disputed. In fact, it is used by all academics. Academics and scholars like Richard Nelson Frye, Simo Parpola, and H. W. F. Saggs all use Assyrian. Syrian, is derived from Assyrian. This is also the common terminology by the ethnic group itself. This ethnic group itself, uses the self-designation Assyrian. — EliasAlucard|Talk 12:34 21 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
*Weak Oppose: "Syriacs" and "Assyrians" in a modern context are synonymous. constant switching between the two is confusing. "Western Syriacs" is  clearly more rare than "Western Assyrians", both in scholarly and in common use, by a factor of about 6.
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*dab (𒁳) 13:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 17:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I was unable to figure out when the flag was designed. Certainly after 1931, when Oppenheim published the Kapara excavations. But probably later, in the 1960s or 1970s. dab (𒁳) 10:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: flag