Talk:Mongol invasions of Korea

message: I agree with Confuzion only PARTIALLY : 
Mongol 1st Campaign 1231 dont need to be merged with Mongol invasions of Korea HOWEVER a short introduction of the first article to the latter need to be recommended, because the article is currently written and would grow little by little. 
Regards Whlee 23:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: * Spring 1231 (8th moon) : Ögedei Khan ordered the invasion of Korea. A powerful Mongol army moved southward across the Yalu under the leadership of Sartai (撒禮塔) and took the fortress of Hamshin (Hangul : 함신진 Hanja :咸新鎭) near Uiju.
* 9th moon : They followed this up by stomring Sakju (Hangul: 삭주 Hanja:朔州) and Cheolju  (Hangul: 철주 Hanja:鐵州) which ended only after the prefect had set fire to the house, slaughtered his whole family, and finally committed suicide along with his associates.
* The king of Goryeo, who did not intend to submit to the Mongol Empire without a struggle, sent Generals Park Seo (Hangul : 박서 Hanja :朴犀) and Kim Gyung-son (Hangul : 김경손 Hanja :金慶孫) at the head of a large army to operate against the invaders. They rendezvoused with all their forces at Gu-ju (Hangul : 구주 Hanja :龜州), the four gates of which were strongly barricaded.
* 10th moon : After failing to take to Gu-ju, the Mongols left this town and the Goryeo army undefeated in their rear and marched boldly southward, taking Gwak-ju (Hangul :곽주 Hanja : 郭州 ) and Sun-ju (Hangul :선주 Hanja : 宣州). From this point, the general Sartai (撒禮塔) attempted to negotiate terms of peace by sending a dissuasive letter to the king of Goryeo.
* The messenger who conveyed this letter got only as far as Pyung-ju (Hangul :평주 Hanja : 平州) where he was seized by the people and imprisoned. While waiting for an answer, the invaders tried another attack on Gu-ju but with no better success. Not only so they were badly defeated at An-buk fortress (Hangul : 안북성 Hanja :安北城).
* Reinforced by Jurchen troops, Mongol forces crossed the Taedong River and swept down to Pyung-ju to wreak their vengeance on that place where even yet the Mongol messenger with the letter for the king was languishing in durance vile. By a night attack they took the place, burned it to the ground, killed the prefect and slaughtered the population even cats and dogs.
* Then, under generals Pudao (Hangul : 포도 Hanja : 浦桃 or 葡萄), Díjù (Hangul :적거 Hanja : 廸巨) and Tang-gu or Tang-wu -a Tangut general- (Hangul : 당고 Hanja : 唐古 or 唐兀),  the invaders advanced toward Songdo, soon appeared within its wall, and plundered the surrounding country to supply their troops.
* The king of Goryeo ask to negotiate terms of peace and sent rich presents to general Sartai (撒禮塔). Negotiations failed, the unsatisfied Mongols left Songdo and went southward to the center of the peninsula to plunder the rich province of Chungcheong.
Korea was a part of Mighty Mongol Empire. Nationalists wrote it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enerelt (talk • contribs) 00:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really a part, but a vassal, tributary state and forced ally of the Yuan. Kublai's edicts in 1260 and 1266 explicitly referred to Geoyeo as his "eastern tributary" (东籓).--207.112.34.108 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

text: If we consider it more precisely though, we can still differentiate it from normal Mongol territories. It seems to have both the characteristics of a special dependency and a tributary state, but from different perspectives. But we can say it's a vassal in general, though under relatively stricter controls.--Choulin (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mongol Campaign 

message: There are not only 2 known general died in action but more than 2. Despite Kitbuqa and Sariday, Chagatai noyan was killed in Armenia, Genghis Khan's son Khulgen died in Russia and others.--Enerelt (talk) 00:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generals died in action 

message: Theres is a nationalist view of Korea. Unfortunately, there are still lots of books written in one-sided point of view without judging historical facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.131.1.11 (talk) 11:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I must agree with you that we should try to represent unbiased view as possible. The problem is nevertheless how do we (the community as a whole) know for sure which reliable sources give a biased view (on a particular topic) and which ones do not. Unless the sources themselves are clearly biased (i.e. the so-called biased sources), we cannot make such decisions by ourselves (as we are simply wikipedians, not historians or judges). In case there are obviously contradictory views among different reliable sources, the usual rule is to represent both views (i.e. not to judge which sources are "correct" or "wrong") in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint, or to find some compromised wording to avoid biases in the article (the solution that often works well). BTW, in my opinion Korea was both a tributary, forced ally, and a vassal of the Yuan Dynasty (not simply a (symbolic) tributary state as in Ming Dynasty for example). --207.112.101.208 (talk) 19:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Further, it should be noted that Korea ruler was considered by the Yuan to be Chancellor of the Zhengdong Xingzhongshusheng and the King of Goryeo at the same time. The Mongol ruler adopted the traditional Sino-Korean relationship to grant the title of King of Goryeo to Korea ruler, but at the same time made it under its control (as a vassal) by establishing a special Xingzhongshusheng (sometimes translated as province) in the Korean capital. Kublai's policy was to make Goryeo felt like the traditional relationship was maintained (so that Koreans believed it was still independent), but at the same time vassalized the Korea ruling house so that Korea was under strong influence of the Mongols. It was not until 1350s that Korea gradually eliminated such influence from the decaying Yuan Dynasty. --207.112.101.208 (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-neutral view 

message: This article is just one contradiction after another.
Koreans didnt listen.
Mongols invade.
They succeed, demand huge sums of money.
Then their entire army leaves completely, LMAO.
This repeats itself 6 times. Someone here inserts a ton of lies or the Mongols are just really incompetent.
The biggest contradiction is that after the 6th and successful invasion, the captured king was forced to marry a princess and become King of the Mongol's Chinese territories. What kind of ridiculous punishment is that? You dont invade a country, win, and then force their king to marry YOUR PRINCESS.
Anyways my 2 cents.
142.150.48.162 (talk) 01:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictions in this article 

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message: Additionally, the grammar is very bad.
Technically, this article could be nominated for deletion. HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  article almost devoid of English sources AND lacking in-line citations everywhere ...... 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=XnIIbzweN7IC&pg=PA184&dq=Han'er+Khitan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uU8qVPHNBNP-yQSuuYHwCA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Han'er%20Khitan&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=b43pR3Z8zTcC&pg=PA21&dq=hunting+fishing+farming+mongols&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TvAYVIPRJoeUgwSD4YGYDw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=hunting%20fishing%20farming%20mongols&f=false
Mongol domination
Semu men would marry Korean women.
http://books.google.com/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA315&dq=For+intermarriage+between+semuren+men+(including+those+of+Turkic,+Uyghur,+and+Indian+descent)+and+Korean+women,+see+Ma+Juan,+%22Yuandai+semu+Gaoli+tonghun+juli.%22+182.+Quan+Heng+and+Ren+Chongyue,+Gengshen+waishi+jian%5Eheng,+p.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=suEfU-DtOKXf0gG9yYFo&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=For%20intermarriage%20between%20semuren%20men%20(including%20those%20of%20Turkic%2C%20Uyghur%2C%20and%20Indian%20descent)%20and%20Korean%20women%2C%20see%20Ma%20Juan%2C%20%22Yuandai%20semu%20Gaoli%20tonghun%20juli.%22%20182.%20Quan%20Heng%20and%20Ren%20Chongyue%2C%20Gengshen%20waishi%20jian%5Eheng%2C%20p.&f=false
A rich merchant from the Ma'bar Sultanate, Abu Ali, was associated closely with the Ma'bar royal family. After falling out with them, he fled to Yuan dynasty China and was granted an official job and a Korean woman as his wife by the Mongol Emperor.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSA_AaRdgioC&pg=PA138#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41649921?uid=3739832&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&uid=3739256&sid=21103639240407
Koreans were included along with Northern Chinese, Khitan and Jurchen in the third class, as "Han ren".
http://books.google.com/books?id=SQWW7QgUH4gC&pg=PA490&dq=thereby+including+not+only+the+Chinese+who+lived+there+but+also+the+rather+substantial+numbers+of+Khitans+and+Jurchens,+even+Koreans.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nt4fU9udOubL0QHW6oDYAQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=thereby%20including%20not%20only%20the%20Chinese%20who%20lived%20there%20but%20also%20the%20rather%20substantial%20numbers%20of%20Khitans%20and%20Jurchens%2C%20even%20Koreans.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ePBeFRJnE_gC&pg=PA257&dq=of+the+northern+Chinese+territories+of+the+former+Jin+dynasty,+including+Chinese,+Khitan,+Jurchen,+and+Koreans&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MOEfU5bcIIbp0QHq04Bw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20territories%20of%20the%20former%20Jin%20dynasty%2C%20including%20Chinese%2C%20Khitan%2C%20Jurchen%2C%20and%20Koreans&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=VIWC9wCX2c8C&pg=PA257&dq=of+the+northern+Chinese+territories+of+the+former+Jin+dynasty,+including+Chinese,+Khitan,+Jurchen,+and+Koreans&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MOEfU5bcIIbp0QHq04Bw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20territories%20of%20the%20former%20Jin%20dynasty%2C%20including%20Chinese%2C%20Khitan%2C%20Jurchen%2C%20and%20Koreans&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCJNQPszu5sC&pg=PA189&dq=The+third+class+was+%22Han%22+including+Han+Chinese+that+lived+in+Northern+China,+Kitan+(Liao+H),+Niizhen+iz+M+(Jin+it),+Koreans,+and+four+other+minorities+who+lived+north+of+Huaihe+River+in+the+Jin+territory.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XeIfU87OCcqk0gG41YCwCQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20third%20class%20was%20%22Han%22%20including%20Han%20Chinese%20that%20lived%20in%20Northern%20China%2C%20Kitan%20(Liao%20H)%2C%20Niizhen%20iz%20M%20(Jin%20it)%2C%20Koreans%2C%20and%20four%20other%20minorities%20who%20lived%20north%20of%20Huaihe%20River%20in%20the%20Jin%20territory.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1QZ-FNbV-NUC&pg=PA50&dq=candidates+from+koryŏ+took+the+examination+with+the+han+and+Jurchens.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IuIfU_-ZJJDE0AGa_IDYAQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=candidates%20from%20koryŏ%20took%20the%20examination%20with%20the%20han%20and%20Jurchens.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=XnIIbzweN7IC&pg=PA24&dq=Koreans+were+placed+in+the+third+social+rank+as+they+were+classified+as+%22Hanren%22+in+the+Yuan+dynasty,+together+with+the+Han+Chinese,+the+Jiirgens,+and+the+Khitans+that+were+conquered+earlier+in+northern+and+southwestern+China.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qOMfU6O4Oaji0QGLu4HYDg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Koreans%20were%20placed%20in%20the%20third%20social%20rank%20as%20they%20were%20classified%20as%20%22Hanren%22%20in%20the%20Yuan%20dynasty%2C%20together%20with%20the%20Han%20Chinese%2C%20the%20Jiirgens%2C%20and%20the%20Khitans%20that%20were%20conquered%20earlier%20in%20northern%20and%20southwestern%20China.&f=false
http://www.academia.edu/7542628/The_Semu_ren_in_the_Yuan_Empire_-_who_were_they
http://books.google.com/books?id=sNpD5UKmkswC&pg=PA247#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 06:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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