Talk:Remnant (Seventh-day Adventist belief)

message: Personally I am unhappy with what I perceive to be a dissonance between standard Adventist teaching, and the presentation given in this article. Standard Adventist teaching is that the remnant of Revelation 12:17 is the Seventh-day Adventist church.
: "This preparatory message is symbolized by the three angels’ messages of Revelation 14, and meets its fulfillment in the great Second Advent Movement today. This has brought forth the remnant, or Seventh-day Adventist Church, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." (Church manual)
: "Do you accept and believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy" (baptismal vow, emphasis added)
: "Fifth, since the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the main body proclaiming the perpetuity of the Law of God and the Sabbath and since, in addition, there was a manifestation of the gift of prophecy in this particular church, we can identify it as God's faithful, end-time remnant" (Rodriguez, on the "traditional position", with emphases added)
: "Since there is not other religious body today outside of Seventh-day Adventists which uniquely and specifically has the characteristics of the remnant of faith and carries their marks, it follows that Adventists as they meet all the aspects of the remnant are the final remnant of faith of the end-time." (Hasel, quoted in Rodriguez, emphases added)
: We [i.e. Seventh-day Adventists] are the historical expression of the eschatological remnant, raised by the Lord after the fulfillment of the prophecy of the 1260 years recorded in Rev 12. The historical remnant is at the same time the faithful remnant in the sense that they are the bearers of God's message to the world. They have been entrusted with a mission and message from God that, if accepted by others, will be a protection against the last great deception of Satan. This is a visible remnant that can be identified through some specific marks. The fulfillment of their mission requires the presence of some type of organization. (Rodriguez)
All of these statements identify the Adventist church (that is, the visible organization) precisely with "the remnant" or "the remnant church". By comparison, my feeling is that this article as a whole distances itself from admitting and exploring this identification. As such I think there is a progressive bias, which I would like to try and correct. Tonicthebrown 14:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dissonance 

message: Gerhard F. Hasel wrote an important book on the Remnant which is respected by non-Adventist scholars. It might be worth taking a look at it as a source. Tonicthebrown 13:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, in fact he was a leading scholar in this area, I understand. The book title The Remnant: The History and Theology of the Remnant Idea from Genesis to Isaiah pops up in searches; as a confirmation I did recall that the scope was only Old Testament, and even then not all of it! He also wrote the article on "remnant" for one of the famous Bible dictionaries. I think he believed there were 3 types of "remnant"s in the Bible - incl. an eschatological remnant, whereas some scholars disagreed with the existence of this third category. I actually did an assignment on this topic, and did consult his book. I need to dig out my work and mine it for references! I recall he was very critical of speaking in tongues - I have never read a primary source of his on the topic, so I won't add anything until confirmed. Colin MacLaurin 13:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hasel

message: I propose a new article, perhaps titled remnant theology or remnant (theology), about the theology of the remnant theme in the Bible, within Christianity that is. This present article would be a  branch of that one. As I understand, remnant theology has existed in many movements throughout Christendom (or all? I'm not sure). Read one author who surveyed major remnant thinkers and criticised the overemphasis of the concept. Will try to didg it out. Colin MacLaurin 13:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: This quote from the article:
"Only members of the eschatological remnant will be saved through the end-times.[1]"
This creates the impression that only a small number of people will be saved through the end times, however, to be put more accurately, Romans 10 outlines the body of believers who will be saved: "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (v9)" The complete context of Romans 10 is completely clear that the only requirement of salvation is the confession of lordship and belief that God resurrected our Messiah. That's it.. no denominational affiliation mentioned anywhere. There is no argument to be made that you can confess Jesus' lordship over your life and believe in the Resurrection and not be saved. 
165.166.59.134 (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading statement, kinda