Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation and abbreviations

message: On MediaWiki talk:Disam, I suggested a wording that could replace  for two/three letter acronym pages -- User:Docu
(talk moved here) The suggest is the following:
:For two-three letter pages, we still need a wording that is slightly different from , e.g. This page  expands and disambiguates a two or three-letter abbreviation. If you followed a link here, you might want to go back and fix that link to point to the appropriate specific page.
:A place for the note could be MediaWiki:DisambigExpandAbbr. This allows to search for msg:disambig and find this one as well. --User:Docu
:: I don't think two and three letter acronyms are any different. It still looks like disambiguating to me if they stand for more than one thing. I don't see why the wording should be any different to distinguish the two cases. Dori | Talk 02:11, Jan 6, 2004 (UTC)
:::I agree with Dori. I can't see a reason to differentiate TLAs from other disambiguations. DisambigExpandAbbr wouldn't be a very easy to remember term if that were used. Angela. 03:23, Jan 7, 2004 (UTC)
Based on discussion elsewhere, it was better to have separate descriptions for , , and .  They link to different lists, and are very easy templates to remember.  
These replace disambiguation pages, as they are considered encyclopedic.  Most folks linking here will learn the expansion of the abbreviation, rather than clicking through to another article.  (See later comments.)
:--William Allen Simpson 14:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: template message for acronyms

message: I was looking for help with abbreviations commonly used on Wikipedia--like dab and rv--and stumbled across this article, which isn't on that topic.  Is there such a page? Thanks. --JButler 11:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:ESL and/or WP:G will provide what you are looking for. It didn't take me 5 months to compose the answer, I just noticed your question. Chris the speller 17:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks just the same! --Jeremy Butler 21:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and don't forget WP:WOTTA —Wahoofive (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where does one find Wiki abbreviations?

message: The guidelines currently suggest that links to disambiguation pages be redirected to more appropriate targets, with which I agree.  I've come around to thinking that on lists of abbreviations where both an abbreviation and an article title are linked, it is more useful for the reader to have the abbreviation link to the appropriate disambiguation page (as it is in the vast majority of cases) than redirected to the more appropriate target.  For example, this would apply to the page List of IOC country codes.  My reasoning is that it is useful to have a direct link to instances of potential confusion, in addition to a link to the article topic of the abbreviation thesaurus line.  If this is something that seems useful to have for most people, then I would suggest addition of an exception for this to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages.  I will add a link to this discussion thread to Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation. Thanks for considering this; regards Courtland 17:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no reason, IMO, to have links to anything from the three-letter codes on List of IOC country codes. Do you have other examples? If we're going to make an exception there should be a widespread need for it, not just a couple of pages. —Wahoofive (talk) 23:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost every list of abbreviations has this similar issue and there are dozens of those; the IOC codes are an example only. Courtland 00:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of Abbreviations and Links to Disambiguation pages 

message: I have merged SAGE (disambiguation) into Sage (disambiguation), following Wahoofive's model. --TreyHarris 04:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You done good. You BOTH done good. Chris the speller 17:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: --William Allen Simpson 15:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolution 

message: Is there any consensus over whether disambig pages are themselves supposed to be encyclopaedic, or are they simply a practical tool for encyclopaedia readers? In particular, should a TLA disambig page reference all possible interpretations of that abbreviation (as would be encyclopaedic), or only those that a reader would likely search under (as would fit the latter interpretation)? Should redlinks ever be included in a disambig page? How much other information should be included on it? Stevage 12:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are disambig pages part of the encyclopaedia? 

message: Currently, about 90% of the various 2LC dab pages use upper case for both letters; the remaining 10% use upper then lower. I'd like to see this standardised to both upper and have commented to such effect at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#Standardisation of names of two-letter combination pages. Please comment there if you wish to voice an opinion! Grutness...wha? 12:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standardisation of names of two-letter combination pages

message: From intro: "abbreviations should usually be expanded [...] beforehand". Beforehand? Before what? Nurg 22:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  abbreviations should usually be expanded beforehand ?? 

message: "Abbreviations pages replace disambiguation pages". What does this mean? Does it mean there should not be disambiguation pages for acronyms or abbreviations, but rather that acronyms and abbreviations should be disambiguated by "abbreviations pages", whatever these are? Nurg 22:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found this odd.  Abbreviations pages are a type of disambiguation page. -- JHunterJ 23:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find this whole page odd. I just clicked a link here, read it through, and have absolutely no idea what it's about. (Well if I concentrated hard enough I might be able to guess pieces of it.) If there is wisdom concealed here, there needs to be a major rewrite in order to bring it to the surface.--Kotniski (talk) 15:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Abbreviations pages replace disambiguation pages" ?? 

message: Proposing merging this page (or at least, the information on it that makes any sense) with Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Most of the information is there already anyway.--Kotniski (talk) 11:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I propose removing guideline status from this page, and then either deleting it or retaining it as a historical page. All the guidance here (if any of it is meaningful) is duplicated or superseded at WP:D and WP:MOSDAB; the only potential added value is the list of lists of abbreviations, but that hardly justifies maintaining the page as a guideline.--Kotniski (talk) 19:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I siupport removal and deletion/archiving. Tony (talk) 05:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  changed to "historical"--Kotniski (talk) 07:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed demotion

message: Shouldn't WP:TLA point to the same page as WP:WOTTA, rather than here? / habj (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TLA