Talk:Civil disturbances and military action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina

message: This page started out as Battle of New Orleans (2005). Material was moved here and merged with material from Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans#Civil disturbances.
*The last vesion of the "battle" article before merger can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_New_Orleans_%282005%29&oldid=23008455
*Discussion relating to merger and other issues can still be found here Talk:Battle of New Orleans (2005)
Petri Krohn 04:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Without criticizing the work put into this article, why was it separated from Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans? Deadsalmon 01:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even without this section, Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans is 73k, which is very long. There is still a section in the main article (marked as a stub section) which is intended to be a short summary of this article, which can go into as much detail as warranted. -- Beland 21:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of page

message: Here are some questions I believe need to be answered. It will be almost impossible for us to find the final answers to any of  these questions now. In fact these issues will most likely be debated by scholars 30 years from now. 
What we can do now is find contemporary sources that support the different points of view.
===Cause of violence===
1) What where the social and cultural reasons for the rapid collapse of law and order?
After the Kobe earthquake in Japan only a few cases of looting were reported. Most of these were attributed to “foreigners”.
:-The causes currently published are completely speculative. This article  discusses research into disasters showing that a breakdown of law and order is extremely rare in disaster situations, the exceptions occuring in areas of extreme poverty and primarily focused on securing food and water. This squares with many reports from New Orleans (and New Orleans is extremely poor). User:204.96.170.74 03:43, 18 September 2005
===Hidden motives guiding relief efforts===
2) How much influence on on the relief effort and the follow-up did the following things have?
*The militarization of society and FEMA after 9/11
:My report Were_New_Orleanians_caught_in_political_crossfire? suggests a deliberate effort on the part of the administration to deny aid during those first 4 critical days for the purpose of forcing the Governor to authorize bush to declare martial law (or create sufficient mayhem to allow the president to declare it unilaterally).  this thesis is being strengthened by the recent address to the nation wherein Bush called for the need to ease his restricitons on doing just that.  And Senator Warner on Sept. 13 also called for the easing of the restrictions of Posse Comitatus. See also Bush_calls_for_expanding_Federal_authority.
::Bstender 04:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions to be answered

message: 2) How much influence on on the relief effort and the follow-up did the following things have?
*The militarization of society and FEMA after 9/11
:My report Were_New_Orleanians_caught_in_political_crossfire? suggests a deliberate effort on the part of the administration to deny aid during those first 4 critical days for the purpose of forcing the Governor to authorize bush to declare martial law (or create sufficient mayhem to allow the president to declare it unilaterally).  this thesis is being strengthened by the recent address to the nation wherein Bush called for the need to ease his restricitons on doing just that.  And Senator Warner on Sept. 13 also called for the easing of the restrictions of Posse Comitatus. See also Bush_calls_for_expanding_Federal_authority.
::Bstender 04:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden motives guiding relief efforts

message: 8) Were federal troops used for law enforcement?
*If so, was this allowed by the Posse Comitatus Act?
This report by BBC's Matt Frei shows the 82nd Airborne patrolling on Bourbon street.
-- Petri Krohn 04:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Posse Comitatus Act

message: There are many parts of this article where NPOV is violatedjuan andrés 22:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Elucidate, please.  scot 22:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you'r right. There s No NPOV violated, so I'm retiring the NPOV templatejuan andrés 05:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No neutral point of view 

message: These external links (except for two) where moved by User:Tijuana Brass for less clearly specified reasons. Some of  these were originally included as references. Some may be POV, but the collection should reflect both or all views. I do not have time to go through these and argue for them now. Maybe I will take the issue up again later. -- Petri Krohn 21:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Petri, I would be happy to discuss in depth these links with you, but after explanations both in the edit summary and on your talk page, you have not provided any explanation why you wish to keep them. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 06:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed external links