Talk:Matrix (fictional universe)

message: if i understand correctly, neo is supposed to actually be a computer program.
but then why does he have a human body in the "real" world that was at first being "harvested" of energy?
maybe i don't understand correctly...
Gringo300 11:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  To the first question: Neo was not a literal "computer program", but his powers within the Matrix and over machines in the real world where the result of the system of control that was "The One"; a system created and sustained by the AI. While not constituting a program within a computer, his actions, and the existence of Zion, where all completely in line with the AI's goals - that The One and Zion exist as a method of control to allow "choice" and stop the degeneration of the Matrix. Therefore Neo; or more accuratly Neo in his role as "The One"; was a part of the computer's program - right up until the point he decided not to enter the source, and instead save Trinity. That is the point he left the control of the machines. --86.135.179.53 02:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This passage troubles me
 Neo battled Smith, but eventually realised that the only way to win was to allow Smith to
 imprint over himself, enabling the machines to delete the rogue program. 
I think it important to mention that this is either an annihation between two opposites or a synthesis of sorts: neo being thesis (original manifestation of inbalance), smith antithesis, and smith's overwriting of neo more of a synthesis of stability within the matrix and machine codespace alike. If the machines could that just be "enabled to delete" smith through a hardwired human then they could have taken any podborn and fixed the problem. The information (code) that neo carries is crucial to the solution to the problem. I don't want to go off on a philosophical tangent but it is at the very least dialectical and more complicated than a simple deletion.Solidusspriggan 23:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best thing to do would be to simply describe what happens on screen. I doubt that sources can be found for the two main fan interpretations (either that Neo's direct connection to Deus Ex Machina allowed Smith to be deleted; or that the two cancel each other out, due to a literal interpretation of the Oracle's suggestion that they're opposites). So I think it's best not to include any of these interpretations, because you can't really give a source from anything except a fan website, which would not be a reliable source. --Nick RTalk 11:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: at the same time, smith was not simply deleted, there are no sources for that either. maybe just a redirect to the "interpretations" section of the revolutions or Neo article.Solidusspriggan 16:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the explanations in both the Neo and Smith articles should be transferred to The Matrix Revolutions article. I reckon the Smith one summarises them best at the moment, though they'd all need to be combined and cleaned up.--Nick RTalk 18:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In all reality, the theory including the Deus EX Machina is the perfect and most-likely the true one.  Seeing as the Matrix was/is a technic-organic place (since active human minds as well as computer programs co-existed together), it has to be treated as such.  Dealing with computers, most viruses can be isolated and destroyed when they infect a system as bad as Agent Smith did.  But in a human body, a virus must be gathered and sampled in order to find a cure.  During the entire movie the Wach..."the two brothers" kept people thinking about it not a imply one system but as a mix of both.  Neo could've tried to defeat Smith in Zion.  But is also implied, as previously stated, that Neo and Smith's life lines were entwined.  Neo went to Zero One initially hoping to just beat Smith to a pulp but then realized the truth: Either both lives, or both dies.  Once the code was imprinted over Neo, that allowed for the Deus EX Machina to generate a "vaccine".  Keep in mind that once he assimiliated Neo, he asked was it over assuming and hoping that he stood alone to conquer everything and knowing that his code couldn't be stopped by Neo...not alone at least.(Machpovii3...Holla Atcha Bezzle, Kid! 02:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Burly Brawl

message: There was previously a page entitled "Supposed History of The Matrix Series". Last January, I edited that page to improve the tone and remove all of its fan-fiction/speculation, to see what could be salvaged and merged into this article. There wasn't anything left that wasn't already explained adequately here, so the article was deleted.
However, today I visited this page again, only to find that the same text had been added into an entirely unnecessary section of its own. Again, it only repeated information that was explained elsewhere, and in an unencyclopaedic tone. So I've removed the text for the same reason as before. (This is the relevant edit.) --Nick RTalk 18:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Supposed history of the Matrix" section 

message: In the Versions section it states that Angel Agents are from Version 1, but then the description of Version 2 says Seraph (angels) come from that version. (Slick023 19:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I fixed the section on Version 2 and deleted references to the Angels. VolatileChemical 23:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What version are Angels from? 

message: Can we get a section in here about how much the humans in the Matrix know about the Matrix? I mean, Neo has at least heard of it at the beginning of the first movie, even though he doesn't really know what it is. Maybe it's like some kind of mysterious computing entity whispered amongst the hacker community? I don't know, that's just the impression I got. Maybe someone who knows more about the series could help. VolatileChemical 23:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matrix-humans' knowledge of the Matrix 

message: I just found this bit that said that the Wachowskis originally intended The Matrix to be a giant computer network made of human brains. It was the executives that demanded it be a power plant! I'm starting looking for actual proof right now, but could everyone keep an eye out? Kalaong 13:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creator/Exectuive conflict!