Talk:Amitābha

message: In response to the below question, I have to simply say, I really don't know.  I have no authority to answer this question, as I am but a layman, and not so well educated on the finer points of Buddhism as I'd like to be, but perhaps I can shed some possible light on this problem.  
I suppose we may have a sort of vertical ladder mindset when it comes to placing Buddhas and Bodhisattvas in a sort of power structure.  I believe that thinking in this dichotomy may be fundamentally wrong.  There really is no difference between a Bodhisattva, a Buddha, and for that matter, a sentient being.  At least, I come to this conclusion on based on my personal interpretation of the dharma.
Still, being that we live in the real world, we linguistically define and separate Buddhas and Bodhisattvas.  I will address this matter in just a moment, but let me talk about that particular vow.  If the vow does in fact say that Amitabha forestalls perfect enlightenment until all beings are saved in the Western paradise, then I can see where the paradox comes from.  However, it's been a long time since I read the Amitabha sutras, and I can't remember if the vow was to build a place where people could easily reach enlightenment, or to actually enlighten everyone through those means.  If it were the former, it could mean that he has fulfilled that vow.  If it is in fact the latter, as you stated, then Amitabha would join the host of hundreds of other popular Bodhisattvas who have made similar vows.  In my personal opinion, I think it may be the pure heart and intention behind making the vow, not neccessarily the completion of a certain task.
Now, for the fun part.  I think if we look at the name Amitabha itself, the Sanskrit meaning something like boundless, infinite light - then I think the implication here is Buddhahood.  In the Chinese name, the character "Fo" is present, meaning "Buddha".  That character does not appear in the names of deities who are typically assigned the role of Bodhisattva, but it does also appear in the Chinese translations of Shakyamuni and Maitreya, who are Buddhas.  Phew.  Basically, I guess, there is no easy answer.  Everything is, and is not, everything else.  It's really quite Buddhistic, actually!Iluvchineselit 06:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Question

message: Why is Amitabha not regarded to be a Bodhisattva, since according to the article he promises not to achieve supreme perfect enlightenment until he has saved all sentient beings in his paradise. I thought that's by definition a Bodhisattva? Thanxs for answering gugganij 20:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The real reason that Amitabha is not regarded as a Bodhisattva is that the article's characterization of the 48 vows is wrong.  According to the sutra, Amitabha has fulfilled all 48 vows, and accordingly has achieved supreme perfect enlightenment (anuttarasamyaksambodhi).  The text should read something like "until all beings can, by aspiration to be reborn there, achieve birth in his Pure Land". RandomCritic 03:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why not a Bodhisattva

message: I removed the below comments (which were what were left after I edited out some POV and irrelevancies):
::Some scholars have claimed a connection between the Iranian cult of Mithra and Buddha Amitabha. Richard C. Foltz, in "Religions of the Silk Road" claims that Amitabha "seems to be understood as the Iranian god of light, equated with the sun".
But even after editing, I can't see the relevance to the article, and I'm not even sure Foltz has been accurately quoted. The connection is in any case purely speculative, and it's not even clear what it means historically: did Mithra-worshipping Iranians accept Amitabha as a substitute for Mithra?  Did they endow Amitabha with Mithra-like qualities?  What is actually being claimed?
Leaving aside the question of whether it's fair to call Mithra a "solar deity", it is very clear that Amitabha is not one. It is true that the name Amitabha means "unlimited light", but the association between good deities, wisdom, and light is a common one, capable of being made independently by different peoples, and implies nothing about a historical relationship. 
More to the point, there is no written or archaeological evidence to indicate that anything about Amitabha was borrowed from a non-Buddhist source; the initial evidences for belief in Amitabha come from within India. The name Amitabha is certainly not Iranian.  The appearance of Amitabha follows other Buddhist iconography, and while that certainly may have some extra-Indian influences they are more likely Greek than Iranian. The functions of Amitabha are only intelligible in a Buddhist setting, and owe nothing to any type of Iranian religion. What, then, is left for Mithra to supply? RandomCritic 13:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I don't buy it.  Taken by itself, one could contrive a theory that the iconography matches gods and deities in other religions, but if you read the larger Mahayana canon, you'll see that Amida and the Pure Land are part of a bigger picture.  Also, don't forget that there is another Buddha related to the Sun and Light: Mahavairocana.  This is just some weak scholarship by someone who wants to try to unify all religions on the Asian continent, while ignoring the subtle details between them.  --Ph0kin (talk) 06:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Amitabha and Mithraism

message: I think a mention of the Ikko Ikki monks would be an interesting and relevant tidbit of trivia.
:I do not.  There already is a wikipedia article on that.  --Ph0kin (talk) 06:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ikko Ikki

message: I propose to Merge the Articles  and Amitayus, for reasons obvious, As the Articles itself says //He is frequently invoked in Tibet either as Buddha Amithaba - especially in the Powa practices or as Amitāyus - especially in practices relating to longevity and preventing an untimely death//. Hence Amitayus is nothing but a different Name of Amitbha Buddha Vinodh.vinodh (talk) 09:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't remove the tag until a clear consensus is achieved.  Why would two articles be necessary, when Amitayus could be perfectly well covered in a paragraph or two here? Jpatokal (talk) 11:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was promised that "Amitayus could be perfectly well covered in a paragraph or two here". But now we find no mention of Amitayus in this article, while Amitayus, not Amitabha, is one of the three Longevity Buddhas along with Sita Tara and Usnisavijaya. Could someone add in the article the character of relationship of Amitayus and Amitabha? When is he Amitabha and when is he Amitayus? Please excuse me if this question sounds illiterate. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Articles 

message: I removed the Anime reference.  Given the high profile of Amitabha in Chinese and Japanese culture it would be pointless to list every such reference, and the one given was not special in anyway.
--Nio-guardian (talk) 08:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime Reference 

message: Vipaśyanā Amitāyus Sūtra....???
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=Vipasyana%20Amitayus%20Sutra%20Amitabha&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Vipa%C5%9Byan%C4%81+Amit%C4%81yus+S%C5%ABtra+Amit%C4%81bha&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--58.38.43.99 (talk) 03:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: In the mantra section, it states "The Sanskrit form of the mantra of Amitābha is ॐ अमिताभ ह्रीः (Devanagari: oṃ amitābha hrīḥ), which is pronounced in Japanese as Namu Amida Butsu ...". 
While the recitation of the mantra "oṃ amitābha hrīḥ", "om ami dewa hrih", or "om amideva hrih"  is often compared as a similar practice to nembutsu or nianfo, it is not strictly the same.
Nembutsu/Nianfo involves reciting "Namo Amitabha Buddha" in their respective languages, but "oṃ amitābha hrīḥ" or "om ami dewa hrih" is typically practiced in the context of Vajrayana, where it is a yidam practice (sometimes a phowa practice, depends on context) that involves generation as the deity Amitabha, rather than just praising Amitabha and taking refuge in him. 
For example, in Tibetan, the closest equivalent to "Namo Amitabha Buddha" that I know of would be "öpakmé la chaktsal lo | འོད་དཔག་མེད་ལ་ཕྱག་འཚལ་ལོ" (English: "Amitabha, I prostrate/pay homage to you") instead of "om ami dewa hrih", though the former is not a common practice by itself (usually seen within prayers or sadhanas).
Even ignoring the Vajrayana practice of yidam generation, I think it makes sense to have the "Namo Amitabha Buddha" equivalents in Japanese and Chinese listed in the second paragraph, as "Namo Amida Butsu" and "Namo Amituofo" are directly the same 1:1 practice, just in different languages. 2603:9001:4D07:85D8:59C9:A775:8ED3:555F (talk) 21:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide reliable citations for mantra translations, as there are variations within every language, and sources are necessary. For example, your Tibetan translation does not use the standard Wylie rendering method. This has nothing to do with the “Vajrayana practice of yidam generation,” it is standard citation practice for linguistic research. Jellocube27 (talk) 03:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mantras