Talk:Curse of the Black Sox

message: The White Sox were never cursed.  The Red Sox and Cubs called their droughts curses, the White Sox, we just didn't win for a while.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.135.24.25 (talk) 23:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: Seriously, this article sounds like WP:OR .... the term "curse" got applied to the White Sox just because the team had taken so long to win (like the Cubs and Red Sox) ... the difference being the Cubs and Red Sox seemingly had no reason while the generally poor performance of the ownership to put a consistent contender on the field was the reason for the White Sox losing ways (1950s-early 60s excluded). LonelyBeacon (talk) 04:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How does that make it original research? It was invented by sportswriters (and there's several articles given in the reference section) - not first posted here on Wikipedia. PaulGS (talk) 06:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not OR by any means. That tag is frivolous and should be removed. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The last time I checked, Ozzie Guillen is not a noted baseball historian. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ozzie Guillen's opinion of the "curse" is irrelevant, just as it doesn't matter whether the Curse of the Bambino really existed or whether Dan Shaughnessey made the whole thing up to sell books. I agree the true explanation is likely mismanagement, probably combined with the loss of the banned players (at least in the early years following 1919). If it was invented recently, to tie in the White Sox's long drought to that of the Red Sox ending in 2005, that can (and should) be in the article, but that doesn't make it original research, since if the sportswriters made it up and it's been published in reputable sources (and the links are reputable newspapers and sports magazines) that, by definition, means it's not original research. I'm not the original author of this article, which was originally part of the Black Sox article, but I doubt that person made up the "curse", which is the only way this would be OR. PaulGS (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also worth pointing out that the so-called "Curse of the Bambino" didn't have much currency until after the Bosox lost the 1986 World Series; in fact, I think that's when it was written. So that was essentially a media invention also. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This sounds like it should be deleted

message: I think you should include the differing views on this curse.  
1.  Baseball commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis cursed the White Sox franchise when he banned the White Sox players for life. The actions of said players angered Landis so much, he cursed the White Sox franchise. 
2.  The baseball gods were angered by the actions of the players involved in the Black Sox scandal.  Thus, these "gods" cursed the White Sox franchise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.130.222.190 (talk) 07:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kennesaw Mountain Landis or the baseball gods? 

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