Talk:Saturday Night Live/Archive 1

message: As bad as it was (never saw it myself though) it wasn't based on any SNL characters IIRC.  The "hot chick" segments that he did with Farley were completely different from anything in this movie.  I removed it.  75.21.89.187 05:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hot Chick 

message: Since David Grohl appeared with Tenacious D as "The Metal", shouldn't his appreance tally be at 8?--TheBooRadley 04:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't him. -- Viewdrix 14:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Grohl 

message: Somebody has already edited the infamous moments section to say that Jack Black swore during his monologue tonight, but it is not clear that he did, some think he was trying to say "funky" instead.  Should we leave that bit off for now?  I've edited it in the meantime.  Ab85 06:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it off.  Even if that is what he said, nobody really made a big deal out of it.  It's not infamous at all.
I put it back on. I belive it was part of a possible infamous moment in SNL history!!
  Newsflash930 02:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I saw this and did not think it was what he said - he said "funky".  Was it mentioned anywhere in the news?  I couldn't find anything anywhere. Jeff schiller 04:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack Black F-bomb?

message: I think the information in this article needs an update. Most of it represents SNL in the 80s and early 90s (and even eariler?).  –Matt 10:29, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was under the impression that we actually did something about copyvios. -- Jim Regan 23:24, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

message: I didn't realize SNL should be categorized as a "children's" show...I could have sworn it was thouroughly adult...I don't think Category:Children's television series is appropriate...I am removing it...
:Jon, Conqueror of Men 17:30, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Childeren's Television Series?

message: I just saw the oh-so-tragic (except probably not) audio glitch right before Ashlee Simpson was to perform. Is this an oddity? Has this happened a lot? Does it merit inclusion in the article, considering the show is live? Mike H 04:51, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
* From what I hear, almost every artist uses backup tracks to reinforce his or her own voice (to make it sound more powerful or whatever). If you noticed, Eminem also used backup tracks the Saturday following Ashlee Simpson's "accident." There were a few moments at which you could hear his voice loud and clear, even though his mouth was closed and away from the microphone. The only difference between Ashlee Simpson and Eminem is that Eminem didn't do a silly dance and walk off the stage. 
**It's one of those insignificant events that somehow gains national attention. IMHO, leave it out of this article.  –Matt 23:24, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio Glitches

message: I think this article is doing that thing a lot of journalists do when they want to get their opinion across without seeming biased -- "some people think," "many viewers felt that," etc.  In particular, the article applauds Norm McDonald and maligns Jimmy Fallon.  I happen to disagree with these opinions, which is why they stand out to me.
The Fallon one is almost forgiveable (perhaps if it was softened up a bit), because it's put in context: the reader is made aware that this is the kind of humor that Lorne Michaels hoped to avoid.  However, from reading the article, you'd think Norm McDonald was the best thing to ever happen to Weekend Update -- and no explanation is given for his firing.  (Personally, I think the official reason -- that he isn't funny -- was dead on.)  Are we to believe that the show fired its only good performer from the era, for no particular reason?
There were some other spots I found troubling too, all in the same category.  There's just too many opinions about the values of performers in this article.  Focus on flagging ratings or contemporary critical response if you want to show that a performer was or was not well-received.  
Also, I wouldn't mind some elaboration on the backstage relationships of the different performers.  For example, the article only briefly mentions the dispute between the late-80s female cast members, and no mention is given to the animosity the early casts felt towards Chevy Chase.
--Malvolio80 14:19, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Let me know what you think.  Regards, Jeff schiller 21:56, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)
Summarize the history as well, and avoid self-references. Everyking 22:54, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camouflaged opinions 

message: This section is not very well written, and i'm not sure if it's deserving of its own section. Perhaps a criticism section in which this is mentioned? Themindset 04:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stolen ideas section 

message: "Time and time again" and "casting trend" are hardly justified by the few cases this new section cites.  My suggestion is to put these details in the trivia section.  Please comment if you disagree.
If someone's interested in exploring casting trends, write something on Harvard graduates or Chicago's improv theatre as sources of cast members and writers.   66.167.253.60 01:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family connections section? 

message: I personally think that the "Infamous Moments" section is growing too big and many of the listings in there are hardly infamous.  First off, I think any instance of a singer singing a cuss word during a musical number shouldn't be listed.  This happens often (I could list about 10 instances off the top of my head), and may make some small articles in the AP but other than that, it doesn't cause major controversy.  This includes the System of a Down reference.  I'm still trying to figure out how this was infamous.  It made a few newspaper articles in some back pages, but it hardly caused any kind of uproar on the level of Sinead O'Connor, Charles Rocket or even something generally memorable like Elvis Costello's 1977 performance.  Also I think backstage situations should not be included.  Such as the fistfight between Murray and Chevy (not there anymore since I removed it).  These didn't happen on air, so I don't think they can really be considered "infamous" or memorable since no one but those who were there witnessed them first-hand.  Finally, some of the instances run too long, and go into too much detail.  They either need to be cut down to bare bones facts and straight-to-the-point, or removed entirely.  207.192.206.107 07:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Infamous'' Moments? 

message: I have removed "The Rutles" from the film section, incidentally the film was called All You Need is Cash. The Rutles were created by Eric Idle and Neil Innes for the British show Rutland Weekend Television, the only sketches to appear on SNL were reruns from RWTV shown when Eric Idle appeared on SNL. I acknowledge the fact that it was the SNL appearance that led to the film, and that an SNL producer directed it. However, I really do not think that The Rutles should be mentioned next to the other films, which all came from original SNL sketches. Rje 01:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rutles

message: It states that the starting salary for an SNL cast member is US$5000.  This is not correct (what is that, like one month's rent in Manhattan?).  Does anybody know the real figure?  Is it $50k? ColinKennedy 19:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salary 

message: To whoever noted that a 2005 show contained the 'only time in the show's history' that the entire cast said LFNY, that's incorrect.  The entire cast of SNL '80 said it in unison on their final show, the Bill Murray episode.
:: Actually, it was not the entire cast in that 1981 episode, just several members of the cast.  Also: the whole cast did not say it in 2005; Maya Rudolph, who was on leave, and Darrell Hammond didn't.  There was another episode (Steve Martin, 1991, with the famous "Tonight Song" cold opening) where most, but not all, of the cast said LFNY.  These can all be verified at SNL Archives (snl.jt.org).  Has the *entire* cast ever said it?  (Just curious.) Ab85 02:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Incorrect Info

message: What the hell does that mean? --Closedmouth 05:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the program introduced a very attempted logo"? 

message: The box says mentions that NBC's studios are in Times Square, but I'm pretty sure that they're in Rockefeller Center, including those studios in which SNL is shot.  Can anyone confirm? dsemaya 17:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Rockefeller. Viewdrix 02:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Times Square? 

message: Hey guys.  I proposed a WikiProject for SNL.  It is my first proposed WP, so please tell me if I did anything wrong or if it was an inappropriate request.  If you think it is a good idea, go here and sign your name to the list.  I hope it works out.
Lbr123 03:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject? 

message: I was wondering if any mention was made about Farley or Hartman after they died on SNL? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.27.102.34 (talk • contribs) .
:I am fairly certain that they did a "best of" episodes for the two former cast members. --Asbl 22:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Farly & Phil Hartman deaths? 

message: I think a section on criticism would be interesting. I know that Bob Odenkirk has had much to say, such as in this Suicide Girls interview:
"No I think I would have developed more interesting and in a healthier way in my life if I hadn’t done it. But what are you going to do? You aren’t going to say no to that job." 
http://suicidegirls.com/words/Bob+Odenkirk/
Benbenbenben
I think I will add a criticism section. There seems to be much that can be said.
As a new contributor I have much to learn, so don't bite me, rather guide.
Fact, not all knowledge is published.
Thus, reportable events must be an acceptable source for the Wikipedia.
A "Point of View" that is neutrally based on Observable Facts of Occurence must have a place.
Otherwise, diversity is lost.
71.42.44.49 23:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: On the main SNL page, it says Horatio Sanz and Chris Parnell are presently in the cast, but on the 2005-present page, under "2006-2007," neither of them are included, but Maya Rudolph is. Which is it? Macarion 05:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's people making guesses. So far, Fey's scheduled to leave the sketch cast but return for Weekend Updates, so she stays, and Rachel Dratch is so likely to leave because of 30 Rock that she should be being left off. Otherwise, nothing's official, so the cast lists should stay the same until someone's officially added or dropped. -- Viewdrix 15:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Official [] Koolgiy 05:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast 

message: There's nothing that makes me more anxious than seeing a Wiki fact without further explanation. This article says that Chevy Chase was banned from hosting again in 1997. I would love to see that explanation.
Also, I am not going to make this note myself because I have not done my research - but I don't believe I have EVER seen a monologue that didn't end with the phrase, "(So) Stick around, we'll be right back." To me, it seems a defining tradition of SNL. Does anyone know anything about that? --Spesek 20:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chevy Chase Banning / Stick Around 

message: I'm surprised to see nothing about the short films by Gary Weis from the first few years.  Those were a prominent feature in the early days, and it was the only place you'd see such pieces pre-Night Flight/Liquid TV.  The twisted little world of Skred the muppet was another early fave.  
I came looking for info on these, so I can't really start a section for them.  But a Short Films & Features section would be very useful.  It could also include stuff like the Eric Idle directed video of the George Harrison song Crackerbox Palace, which debuted on SNL.  Laszlo Panaflex 23:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gary Weis short films & Skred 

message: I believe Will Ferrell should be added to the list of "notable tenures".  He was on the cast for seven years (1995-2002), which the paragraph above states "few have broken the seven year barrier." Dtemp 15:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will Ferrell 

message: Source? --Macarion 20:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Molly Shannon is coming back?

message: I added a note about the earlier encore showings sometimes including sketches from other episodes.  Two examples are the Rod Stewart and Lauren Hutton reruns; both had non-show specific (ie no host/musical guest appearance) sketches edited into them from the Donald Pleasance show.  My research found that Pleasance never re-aired on NBC.
74.115.226.191 09:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rerun editing 

message: I keep seeing a caption that says recorded from an earlier live broadcast. does that just mean that it is a rerun or does it mean something else? Wikipedia's False Prophet  holla at me   Improve Me 03:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends.  The text appears on every rerun now but if you're watching Classic SNL and you see the modern disclaimer (one very non-intrusive line) during a pre-1996 montage and you don't see the older versions with "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" mentioned by name in big block letters, it's probably the original live episode reairing.  The other ways you can tell if it's a rerun edit are listening to the bumpers in the post-1985 episodes (as a rule they are silent in live broadcasts, and the band fanfare in the reruns), or listening to the closing theme in older episodes (sometimes they used a canned recording of the closing theme to get rid of Pardo's voiceover announcing the next show).  74.115.226.191 06:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If your watching it on the normal 11:30 time slot, and it looks like a newer show (in widescreen) then yes its a repeat. Most likely becasue their on break. Koolgiy 05:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: anyone able to help

message: Hiya, I'm trying to properly a cite a character in another article about Terry and Linda Jamison.  According to their information, they were performance artists who created a "recurring character" on SNL (possibly just an SNL film), known as "Louise, the two-headed housewife."  Does anyone here have more information about this, such as which episode(s) the character appeared in?  Thanks.  --Elonka 18:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Louise, Two-headed housewife

message: Is it really necessary? I wouldn't mind keeping their starting years, as it seems the dash to nothing is redundant when you're listing a current cast member. However, leaving just the starting year date may be confusing without the dash adding the context of, eg. "1996 to". Can we just list the names, that's it? -- Viewdrix 19:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current cast having dates attached. 

message: Removed part about him being member of "much-maligned 1980-1981 season", as it does not fit the tone suitable for an encyclopedia article (i.e. it seems to suggest people are waiting for all the members of that cast to do so. And even if they ARE, that's immaterial).-Jkazoo 01:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone tried re-wording this and re-inserting this, but I'm removing it again. It really is immaterial.  We don't say "John Belushi was the 1st 1st Season Member to die" or "Chris Farley was the 1st cast member who joined in such-and-such season to die" and so on so on. As I said before, it reeks of a "I want every single member of that season to die" vibe, and like I said, even if that's so, it's not encyclopedic. -Jkazoo 08:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edited Charles Rocket section in "SNL Curse" 

message: I have an idea to make it better, because it's beginning to suck.  They should restore it back to classic, like from 1990-1995ish.  Here's my idea of the perfect cast (if they can get some of these people to come), and this is nothing against women (there's like 2 women), I'm just picking out the perfect mix:
Darrell Hammond, Will Forte, Fred Armisen, Jason Sudeikis, Horatio Sanz, Kenan Thompson, Amy Poehler, Will Ferell, Adam Sandler, Rachel Dratch, Kristen Wiig, Jimmy Fallon, Tim Meadows, Jack Black
Anyway, here's my opinion on it now:  Last season the writing sucked and the writers couldn't make a skit have a satisfying ending, it was usually some stupid ending.  Seth Meyers was the best writer on there, and now that he's the main one, the skits are a little better.  Now, about 1/2 make me laugh, 1/8 are okay, and 3/8 make me want to vomit.  The cast is pretty good, though, actually better than last year.  Weekend Update's pretty good, and I think Seth is a good addition, but he could do better.  And usually Amy's bits are funny and his are drawn out and dry and stupid, which is weird.  I love Kenan, Will, and Jason, and I  think anything with Will Forte in it is hilarious and anything with Kenan is generally pretty funny (depending on if he's the star or not).  Anyway, please feel free to debate me on this.  Temp
:Wikipedia is not for discussing like a forum. -- Viewdrix 01:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Way to welcome a newcomer to WP, Viewdrix...NOT. Since you're into rules maybe you should look at this one: Please don't bite the newcomers (Temp, a suggestion: to add your username and the date/time of your contribution on the Talk page of any WP article, follow it with four tildes (~).) -- Jalabi99 21:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For all of you Saturday Night Live fans 

message: I noticed that the two Blues Brothers movies were included and took them out seeing that the criteria for this section is supposed to be films that originated as SNL sketches. The Blues Brothers were never a "sketch" - they originated in part based on a sketch (singing "I'm A King Bee" while still dressed in bee costumes from a Killer Bee sketch), but mostly they began as an outgrowth of Belushi's music hobbies and their first appearances on the show were actually helping to warm up the audience (documented in Hill and Wiengrad's book). In this regard they are more of a  musical act than a sketch performance. RoyBatty42 19:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNL films from sketches section 

message: As it clearly does not fit the definition of a theory, I edited the word out and replaced it with "superstition."
RichieGB 18:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNL Curse 

message: One trivia bit discusses "The non-live opening..." - to what does this refer? As far as I was aware, even the cold-open is live, is it not? The trivia talks about episodes that don't say "live from new york, it's saturday night". I suggest that this entire trivia note be killed anyway - there have been many instances I've seen in which the phrase is slightly modified, such as when Hammond's Schwarzenegger says it, etc. TheHYPO 19:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nonlive? 

message: "Encore showings are not always identical to the original broadcast. Frequently, successful sketches that aired later in the show during the original broadcast will be reedited to appear earlier, and segments that did not work well during the original showing are replaced by a) alternate performances or b) completely different sketches that had been taped at the dress rehearsal that preceded the live broadcast. In the earlier years of the show's history, reruns occasionally replaced weaker sketches with segments from other episodes, usually from episodes that did not have an encore showing at all."
Are there any specific references for this?  --David Bixenspan 05:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When It's Not Live 

message: The opening to the article states that SNL has been broadcast "nearly every Saturday night since its debut on October 11, 1975". This is both vague and innacruate. I am changing it. --Lakeshark 09:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Every Saturday 

message: There is nothing in this article about how the show is doing in terms of the number of viewers.  --theDemonHog 08:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: I was disappointed to see there was no timeline with matching players.  I'm very interested in knowing how many seasons Eddie Murphy overlapped with Martin Short and Billy Crystal  -- or did they?
It would be nice to see the evolution of casting.
Hope someone has the info
144.59.12.138 03:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a timeline with players 

message: What about something on tech based problems during the live shows(like the sound glitch during AFI this past weekend)?
(LadySatine 16:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound Glitches 

message: There is notes for the number of times "Cheeseburger" and "Penis" are said in those infamous sketches, but does anyone know the number of times the word "Ma!" is said in the amusement park sketch from the May 2006 Tom Hanks episode? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.176.13.22 (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers of times a word is said in a single sketch? 

message: One sketch style I enjoy is when the cameras go "backstage", either during the opening monologue or in some other set piece that takes place off the SNL stage and in the office/control room areas.  Part of the reason is due to the fact that there is always the following characters wandering around the SNL area waiting for their upcoming sketch:  a Las Vegas showgirl and Abraham Lincoln.  Can't explain why, but it always makes me chuckle.  This week there was also Jesus; other weeks have had other regularly-seen hanging-out backstage characters.   Assuming we can write an appropriate blurb about how Abe Lincoln is always getting his sketch cut from the show, where would something like this go (other than in the Trivia section)? SpikeJones 19:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not exactly a recurring character 

message: This movie was based on a recurring cartoon from the 1993-1994 season of SNL, so why does it keep getting deleted from the film section? Anthony Rupert 11:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[Office Space]]''

message: I remember in the summer of 1996 a show in the UK called Saturday Night Live was shown on our ITV channel.  It was possibly based on the US show's format, I'm not sure.  Comedian Harry Hill started out on this show, amongst others.  Does anyone else know what I'm talking about ? 81.145.241.151 02:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Saturday Night Live show in UK