Talk:British Columbia Moderate Democratic Movement

message: I propose to post the following into the article. I have added an introductory paragraph to attempt to address Spinboy's concerns that I am using Wikipedia as a soapbox. I am not clear why he thinks I am doing so because he has refused requests for explanation, but here goes:
:[ Text moved to article following Spinboy's repeated refusal to explain why this is a problem. -- see also User_talk:Spinboy#General complaints ]
Comments are welcome. Ground Zero 13:08, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have laid out all of my arguments in detail here and on your talk page. And you refuse to explain yourself. The only thing I can add is to repeat that this is not using Wikipedia as a soapbox. Ground Zero 17:30, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They have a website that explains their platform, they don't need Wikipedia to do it for them. If the website didn't exist, I might reconsider, but it does. --Spinboy 17:33, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally, an explanation. Thank you. I wish you had explained yourself much earlier. It would have avoided all of this mess, and been much more considerate. I will consider my further response. In the future, please work with other editors. Thank you. Ground Zero 17:38, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Further attempt to address Spinboy's concerns

message: Starting from Ground Zero's last revision, I've generally stripped it down, especially the more self-laudatory and ambitious assertions ("making the health care system sustainable" by, etc.) Where such an assertion may have to stay (like about violent offenders), I've used a direct quote, so as to move the article a step back from appearing to  endorse such a position's worth or practicality. Where possible, Wikilinks also provide more context.
Soo, if it's any help, how about something like...
===Platform===
The BCMDM's platform is typical of those of many small parties without thorough policy platforms. The proposals tended to lack detail, and the platform failed to address many important issues facing the province at the time. For example, there was no mention in the platform First Nations land claims, drug problems especially endemic to Vancouver's east end, and relations with the federal government of Canada.
The party proposed:
*Education
**forgivable student loans to cover tuition fees for B.C. residents
**increased funding for school boards
**greater autonomy for school boards to create new programs, subject to provincial standards
*Healthcare
**paying practicioners for "promotion of wellness rather than the treatment of disease"
**creating regional treatment centres covering all stages of care from diagnosis to treatment
*Economics
**a B.C. business development bank to assist the creation of new businesses
**an "Idea Development Centre" to help entrepreneurs develop business plans and gain funding
*Governance
**opposing to the privatization of public assets, and returning already-privatized assets to public ownership
**requiring all MLAs to attend monthly town hall meetings in their communities
**increased transparency, including access to information measures making all government, Crown corporation and public-private partnership records open to public inspection
**laws to hold public officials accountable for what the party called "fiscal mismanagement and misleading budgets"
*Justice
**to "ensure violent offenders are removed from our streets"
**increased use of restorative justice, halfway houses, and intense supervision for first-time non-violent offenders
*Forestry
**ensuring raw logs were processed in the community in which they were produced
**funding forest management to prevent and control wildfires
**ending the "self-policing" of forestry companies
*Environment
**maintaining the ban on bulk water exports
**funding scientific research as the basis for all environmental decisions
**increasing penalties for environmental violations, and putting funds raised directly into park maintenance and habitat protection
**investing in pollution control research
*BC Hydro
**"fairly priced electricity" through investment in new generating facilities for BC Hydro, to replace aging facilities nearing the end of their life
Since the MDM on its own is now part of history, having merged with more or less seven (!) other parties in two steps to form DRBC, its Platform page probably isn't long for the web, so I tend to think we should have something here.
Further thoughts - from Spinboy, Ground Zero, and anybody else reading? Samaritan 20:19, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I still maintain that they have a website to promote their platform on, but this does look better. --Spinboy 20:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken that as, with reservations, a sort-of-consensus to add the rewritten section to the page, so I did. (With two more tiny tweaks: is typical -> was typical and The party proposed -> The platform proposed). Samaritan 20:38, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Platform NPOV

message: The BCMDM's platform is typical of those of many small parties without thorough policy platforms. The proposals tended to lack detail, and the platform failed to address many important issues facing the province at the time. For example, there was no mention in the platform First Nations land claims, drug problems especially endemic to Vancouver's east end, and relations with the federal government of Canada.
The party proposed:
*Education
**forgivable student loans to cover tuition fees for B.C. residents
**increased funding for school boards
**greater autonomy for school boards to create new programs, subject to provincial standards
*Healthcare
**paying practicioners for "promotion of wellness rather than the treatment of disease"
**creating regional treatment centres covering all stages of care from diagnosis to treatment
*Economics
**a B.C. business development bank to assist the creation of new businesses
**an "Idea Development Centre" to help entrepreneurs develop business plans and gain funding
*Governance
**opposing to the privatization of public assets, and returning already-privatized assets to public ownership
**requiring all MLAs to attend monthly town hall meetings in their communities
**increased transparency, including access to information measures making all government, Crown corporation and public-private partnership records open to public inspection
**laws to hold public officials accountable for what the party called "fiscal mismanagement and misleading budgets"
*Justice
**to "ensure violent offenders are removed from our streets"
**increased use of restorative justice, halfway houses, and intense supervision for first-time non-violent offenders
*Forestry
**ensuring raw logs were processed in the community in which they were produced
**funding forest management to prevent and control wildfires
**ending the "self-policing" of forestry companies
*Environment
**maintaining the ban on bulk water exports
**funding scientific research as the basis for all environmental decisions
**increasing penalties for environmental violations, and putting funds raised directly into park maintenance and habitat protection
**investing in pollution control research
*BC Hydro
**"fairly priced electricity" through investment in new generating facilities for BC Hydro, to replace aging facilities nearing the end of their life
Since the MDM on its own is now part of history, having merged with more or less seven (!) other parties in two steps to form DRBC, its Platform page probably isn't long for the web, so I tend to think we should have something here.
Further thoughts - from Spinboy, Ground Zero, and anybody else reading? Samaritan 20:19, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I still maintain that they have a website to promote their platform on, but this does look better. --Spinboy 20:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken that as, with reservations, a sort-of-consensus to add the rewritten section to the page, so I did. (With two more tiny tweaks: is typical -> was typical and The party proposed -> The platform proposed). Samaritan 20:38, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Platform

message: To party members who may wish to edit the article: please see WP:COI regarding conflict-of-interest concerning members of organizations editing articles about those organizations.  this is a general comment/warning being placed on all BC political party pages because of problems with some articles...If you are a member of this party you should not be editing this article!!.Skookum1 01:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note re [[WP:COI]] (conflict of interest guidelines)

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