Talk:Art Modell

message: From my comment on that article's talk page:
:An article on the TV show itself may be NPOV. However, after re-writing the article on Art Modell, I should note here that articles based on the show may be POV. The show is on the same order as newspaper editorial, and reflects the opinions of the show's producers.
Someone keeps including the opinions offered in this program as article fact. This is not NPOV. Some of the conclusions the program reaches-- for example, the argument that the city of Cleveland owed Modell a stadium "has merit"-- are blatantly POV (and, to this Clevelander's POV, flat out wrong... but never mind that). As the same words seem to get included each time these "facts" are presented, I also have to wonder if this is a copyright violation, as though the summary appeared verbatim either on the program or in some publication's summary of the program. -- SwissCelt 14:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Top 5 Reasons You Can't Blame...]]

message: A key piece of information is missing in regards to the Browns move to Baltimore. Model wanted Cleveland Municipal Stadium renovated, and he came up with his own plan. Cuyahoga County then put the proposal on the November, 1995 ballot. Just a few days before the vote, Modell announced he was moving the team to Baltimore. If he had waited for the vote, and the measure had passed, he would have had nearly $200 million in improvements to the stadium -- which was what he stated he wanted all along. But instead, he signed the deal with Baltimore without giving his community a chance to fund his project.
Omitting this important piece of information leads the reader to believe that Modell's hand was forced and he had no choice but to move the team to Baltimore. Furthermore, the County had put the issue on the ballot in 1995, when the Indians had just started playing at Jacobs Field in 1994. So it's not as though Modell had been ignored for an inordinate period of time.
Another piece of information that is not included as that Modell publically rejected being involved in the Gateway project, saying that he preferred to stay at Cleveland Municipal Stadium.
Not including these facts does not put the Browns' move in the proper historical context. If the reader did not have prior knowledge, he or she would be led to believe that Art Model's hand was forced to make the move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.119.218 (talk) 03:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Browns move

message: The article states that "He was assisted in the move by Alfred Lerner...". I feel that needs to be expanded upon. Maybe it needs to go into Lerner page. I don't know. But, how exactly did Lerner assist the move? The statement seems way too vague.
--MallaLubba (talk) 13:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Helped?

message: I would like to see the author cite a reference for this statement:
The move fueled a proliferation of twelve new stadiums throughout the NFL. Using the NFL-City of Cleveland agreement's promise to supply a team to Cleveland by 1999, several NFL franchises used the threat of relocation to coerce their respective cities to build new stadiums with public funds. Such franchises include the Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, Seahawks, Buccaneers, Bengals, Steelers, Lions, Cardinals, and Colts.
I don't know a lot about some of those teams, but I'm almost positive the Steelers never threatened to leave Pittsburgh for any reason, much less over a stadium issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.26.157.11 (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was the Pirates that talked about moving.  I think that everyone had come to agree that Three Rivers was inadequate, like the other 1960s and 1970s multipurpose stadiums, since it was designed for both football and baseball it was truly suited to neither rather than to both. 75.246.78.147 (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steelers threated to move? 

message: In NO WAY does the word "incidentally" ever belong in an encyclopedia article.  75.246.78.147 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Impact of move"