Talk:Homer Plessy

message: This article contradicts the article at African American, which states that it was the grand*father* that was black.  Can someone with a history textbook fix this please? - Richardcavell 21:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer:  I think that this is an error at African American Registry; it would be more likely that his great-grandmother would be black and possibly a slave who was later emancipated along with her--and her white master/lover's--children. The great-grandmother and great-grandfather (who undoubtedly supplied and allowed her to assume the surname of Plessy) would be his ancestors as a Creole of color.--gab 21:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to American Nightmare: The History of Jim Crow by Jerrold M. Packard (p. 73), Plessy had one black great grand-parent and was seven-eighths white. MK2 19:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  grandmother or grandfather? 

message: Is it possible that the photo appearing and labeled as Homer Plessy is incorrect?  If Mr. Plessy died in 1925 at the age of 62 it does not seem possible that the photograph is of the Plessy of Plessy vs. Ferguson.  It seems too contemporary to be of the early 20th century or even late 19th century.
If anyone has a better photo, or can confirm this photo it would be appreciated.
--KMSullivan 21:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plessy Photo 

message: The current version of the Homer Plessy photo is not confirmed by his biographer, Keith Weldon Medley. 
I have placed a question on the talk page of the user who uploaded it. That user, however, is without a history on Wikipedia so I am confused. The photo does not show its origin or provenance. 
I am therefore inclined to remove it until it can be authoritatively confirmed. 
Anyone have an opinion on this?
Skywriter 21:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tagged :Image:HomerPlessy.jpg for deletion. It is a photograph of P. B. S. Pinchback (cropped and reversed). --Dhartung | Talk 22:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: new Plessy Photo Revisited

message: Check Google Images, and you'll find various photographs of Homer Plessy.  Maybe some of those are in the public domain.  If so, they could be copied into Wikipedia and this article could include them. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have looked through Google Images and I could only find one photograph that I thought could be him, but I was not confident of the sourcing. Google Images will return photos found on pages where Plessy is mentioned, but has no way of being certain that any of them are of the subject. (See above for one error someone has already made.) --Dhartung | Talk 22:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article about the Supreme Court decision uses this  picture. What do you think?--93.196.46.11 (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs of Homer Plessy 

message: (March 17, 1992 – March 1, 1384) seems a little odd for a dude born in 1992 to have died in 1384
someones been playing silly games maybe?
i don't know the correct date but i'll try to find it in a couple of days if a more knowledgeable user doesn't get there first
-- forgot to login! sorry! user name is teknotiss --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.152.165 (talk) 00:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DoB of Homer Plessy 

message: There is no known photograph of Homer Plessy.  If you do an online image search for Plessy's photo, you get several results, however, the image that most crops up is one of P. B. S. Pinchback, usually cropped and reversed.  This is not Homer Plessy.  
So, please don't try to place a photograph of Homer Plessy on this page. 
===My reference===
TuckerResearch (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  THERE IS NO KNOWN PHOTOGRAPH OF HOMER PLESSY 

message: TuckerResearch (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: My reference

message: I'd like to propose that the introductory section of this article be shortened to be more concise, and that extra material be moved down after the "Contents" navigation.  (Especially material about how he came to be arrested, etc.)  Also, the "Homer Plessy Historical Marker" section is scattered, so the section should either be renamed or split into new sections.  Normally I'd just go ahead and do this, but I don't really have the time right now.  I'll try to work on it, but feel free to jump in if you'd like to help polish up this article. Yale2010 (talk) 01:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Structure Reconfiguring 

message: This may be a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth", which can be all too common on wikipedia, but this article seems very poorly constructed.
First, the introduction takes up 50% of the article.  It is much too long.
In fact, the last paragraph of the introduction is an exact duplicate of the section titled, "Aftermath of Supreme Court Case".  If that weren't bad enough, the section "Aftermath of Supreme Court Case", seems mis-titled.  It doesn't mention about the effects of the Supreme Court case, but instead tells about Plessy's life after the Supreme Court case.
Finally, the last two paragraphs of the article seem like orphans.  Someone wanted to introduce this information, but didn't know where to put it.  It ends up under the section titled, "Homer Plessy Historical Marker", but it really has nothing to do with the historical marker.
If someone closer to this article wants to correct or respond to this, that's great.  If not and if there are no objections, I will attempt to rewrite these short comings. Van Vidrine (talk) 18:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article poorly constructed 

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message: For an article of this size, there is too much in the lead. Details need to be cut and/or moved to the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead too long 

message: Can someone provide a reliable source for the infobox claims that Plessy died in Metairie, Louisiana, and that he had three children? Britannica claims that he died in New Orleans. Both AP and NYT claim that he had no children. I know that ThoughtCo makes both claims about Metairie and three children, but I've checked all of the sources cited on the ThoughtCo article, none of which say anything about children or Metairie, so I don't know where ThoughtCo got that information. It's possible the author of the ThoughtCo article (earliest version I've found is from  March 28, 2019) got her info from several uncited claims made in an earlier version of this article (see   22:02, 20 December 2018). I am going to delete both claims for now. 2601:410:200:41C0:75B7:E5E5:1741:A758 (talk) 23:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claims: Place of death and children 

message: Hi  I'm not sure if we should include the photo of P. B. S. Pinchback in the article, even with the context that it's not Plessy. On a content level, there's only one sentence (and one source) about the perennial confusion that Pinchback's photo depicts Plessy, so it might be a bit undue to include the photo here. My preference is that it's enough just to include a reference to the confusion in the article's body (or perhaps as a footnote to the photo of Plessy's tomb) and link to Pinchback's article. On a more cynical level, I'm somewhat afraid that including Pinchback's photo in the article will make its way into Google image results for Homer Plessy and aid in perpetuating the misinformation. It's too early to tell if that will happen, but the risk is definitely present. But I'm happy to hear your thoughts! CoatGuy2 (talk) 15:31, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would also be better to omit the image of Pinchback - it sits quite awkwardly in the article and agree with CoatGuy2's concerns over it being picked up in search results and adding to the confusion. Alternatively, we could link directly to the photo e.g. "a photograph of P. B. S. Pinchback, so readers can still click through. ITBF (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: if you guys think it works better that works for me. Dronebogus (talk) 15:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Pinchback photo