Talk:Yawl

message: Gipsy Moth IV is linked to as a yawl, but the target article classifies it as a ketch.
You need to also consider the S&S designs Dorade and Stormy Weather. Dorade was a ground breaking design in the development of the ocean racing yacht and further improved in the later Stormy Weather design which had a long and successful career in Atlantic races including the Fastnet.
Yawl is also considered to have derived from the Scandanvian word also giving the type Yole as in the Shetland types. I understand this to mean just 'small boat'. These would have traditionally been double ended and lug rigged.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.199.76 (talk) 13:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Early posts

message: The sloop is intended for work that requires constant maneuvering.  With only two sails it requires less sail tending with every gybe and course correction.  A yawl may be sailed without its mizzen like a sloop when it too needs to be continually maneuvered.  In a condition when the helmsman wishes to set the sail balanced so that the boat will remain on course without tending, the mizzen can be raised to balance the sail plan.  Ketches are used under conditions where the boat sails on a constant course, on open waters for long distances.  Ketch sails are intended to be set and left to their selves without tending.  That is the functional difference between the ketch and yawl.  But the distinction of the mizzen being fore and aft of the rudder post works well as the yawl mizzen is meant to balance the rudder when the rudder is fixed amidships.  My Flatley (talk) 06:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ketch verses Yawl

message: The current article is correct in identifying all the key differences between a yawl and ketch,ie essentially the yawl mizzensail was a steering devise rather than a driving sail.It is too small to have any significant difference on sailing speed due to its small area , its placement way aft  and the disturbance to laminar wind flow by the mizzen mast and rigging,to say nothing of the cost of such a set up. The yawl seems to now be consigned largely to history,although I note with pleasure that small boat designer John Welsford of New Zealand has a good small centreboard yawl design that is highly popular both in Nz and overseas.Clearly the yawl still serves a purpose even in the 21 century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.189.177 (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is bang on. 

message: I don't usually do this, but I feel moved to commend the writer(s) of this article. It is well written and clearly informative, with none of the flaws attendant upon so many Wikipedia articles. rowley (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bravo 

message: Whilst the modern usage of "yawl" usually refers to the rig type (as does this article), it should not be overlooked that for most of the time that mariners have used this word, they have been talking about clinker-built open boats, either beach-launched or carried on larger vessels as one of the ship's boats. To be clear, virtually none of these craft were rigged as yawls. There is an extensive history of these craft around the shores of Britain, with most authorities suggesting a continuous line of descent from Norse longships. The only survivors of this type of craft are Scottish examples, such as the Orkney yole. (Interestingly, the beach yawls from the East Anglian coast, among the largest and fastest open boats ever built, were crewed by men who called their boats "yols" - even though everyone in England used the spelling "yawl".) See also Ship's boat for that type of yawl.
It is probably misleading for an encyclopedia user who finds the word "yawl" in a context referring to one of these open boats to see only an article about a rig used on yachts to exploit a measurement rule. Options would appear to be (a) to cover all types of yawl in one article - that is to say (i) rig type (ii) hull/usage type - or (b) have 2 articles named something like "Yawl (sailing rig)" and "Yawl (traditional boat)".
Suitable references include McKee, Working Boats of Britain, Edgar March Inshore Craft of Britain, E H White's British Fishing Boats and Coastal Craft.
Any thoughts on these ideas?ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yawl as a working boat/hull type - not a rig 

message: The second sentence of the second paragraph says that the mizzen sail "tends to be...about one quarter the size of the mainsail, which may be about half the size of the mainsail."  WHAT?? J S Ayer (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused description 

message: In regards to this revert, I will defer to the historical context. But I do want to point out that my original edit was not 'censuring' anything, as your edit description claims. The edit was in-line with MOS:GNL and does not change the original intent of the text. The actions being described are not gender-dependent (even if, for various historical reasons, the people involved were most likely male). I understand you don't agree with the edit but this is not a case where 'censuring' could be claimed. CaptainAngus (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to be so long answering this - internet failure. Noted that my nimble fingers misspelt censor (once you've posted an edit summary, you can't go back and fix errors). A few points to make: MOS:GNL is not so absolute as you seem to think, and this is one of those "one-gender contexts" that is referred to in the MOS. To imply that the crews of these boats, or their shore stations, could be of any gender is misleading, and it is not the purpose of this encyclopaedia to mislead. I note that CaptainAngus's edit history shows a huge predominance of these "GNL" edits. I suggest that there are risks in being a single-issue editor - and, though others would no doubt disagree, I would suggest gathering some general editing experience so as to gain some perspective on the problem of putting together informative and accurate articles that can be read without jarring English language constructs. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 10:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I wholeheartedly agree. CaptainAngus made a similar edit that I reverted here. Such edits are misleading and detrimental to the accuracy of articles describing historical events. I added hidden text here ("per MOS:GNL, a patrol torpedo boat in World War II was a "one-gender context"—no women served on them—so gender neutral language does not apply.") to prevent such harmful changes to that article in the future, one hopes. Carlstak (talk) 12:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  and : I'm not pushing back against historical context. In my personal opinion, both of the reverts in question represent a different way than I would pursue to preserve historical accuracy while still improving the articles for the larger community. However, I'm not a historian, so I'll defer. CaptainAngus (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Revert 

message: I have deleted the addition of a paragraph on canoe yawls. This is because the cited source does not appear to be a WP:RS. The article might be due a mention of canoe yawls, but I am not sure the definition given stands scrutiny. I have just studied John Leather's discussion of early canoe yawls in his Sail and Oar and it does not go so far as to give a definition of the term, just a lot of description. 
Looking further for comment, we have Classic Boat with, in the same article "Canoe yawls ... are frequently neither canoe nor yawl." and "these little yachts had moved so far ... from where MacGregor took his inspiration, that the term was pretty much a nonsense". Charmina is just essentially a pocket cruiser.
The term canoe yawl has also been overtaken by the marketing departments of modern yacht builderssee 
So I think we have a type of craft that cannot be concisely defined. So any coverage in the article would need so much explaining that it would destroy the WP:BALANCE. The solution, if it turns out to be possible, would be to create an article on canoe yawls, properly researched and reference, and then put a link in this article to the new article. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 19:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canoe yawls