Talk:Emomali Rahmon

message: There is something I didn't remark earlier. On the website of the presidency, the old name used is Эмомалӣ Раҳмонов and, since March 21, 2007, Эмомалии Раҳмон. Remark the modification of the ending of the first name. There is a reason for that and it's very difficult to explain it clearly and shortly. I try.
In Persian and Tajik languages (that are two dialects of the same tongue), there is a phenomenon called ezafe. The Persian nouns Wikipedian article teaches us :
:Ezafe is name for the short vowel e, with the same sign which signifies consonantal h or he (ه) in Persian. Ezafe is used as an enclicitc to denote possession: ketab-e man means "my book."  When ezafe follows a noun ending in a vowel, it becomes a glide known as hey ye and represented by the character ﮥ, pronounced -ye; e.g. khane-ye man for "my house."
In Persian language, written with a modified arabic script, ezafe is pronounced but not allways written. In Tajik language, which is nearly the same one, but written with a modified cyrillic script, ezafe is written, using a very special convention. The cyrillic letter и is normally a vowel, pronounced roughly ee, or a short i. But in Tajik this letter is used at the end of a word to represent ezafe. For example Президенти Тоҷикистон (Prezindent-e Tojikiston, President of Tajikistan) in which the first и is the mere i of prezident and the second one is the ezafe.
And what happens if you have a word ending with a true i sound? You then use ӣ (a и with a bar) instead of и. For example in Эмомалӣ (Emomali) or in Ҷумҳурӣ (Jumhuri, Republic). The letter ӣ can occur only at the very end of a word. And what happens if you add an ezafe to a word already ending with a ӣ? It's simple: you add it, and the ӣ which is no longer at the end of the word becomes a mere и. For example in Ҷумҳурии Тоҷикистон (Jumhuri-ye Tojikiston, Republic of Tajikistan).
So what about our Emomali Rahmon(ov)? His name was Эмомалӣ Раҳмонов, all right. He decided to drop the -ов ending, OK. But in order to keep the original meaning of his name (that is Imam Ali, son of (Abd-el-)Rahman), he adds an ezafe and his name Эмомалӣ Раҳмонов (Emomali Rahmonov) becames Эмомалии Раҳмон (Emomali-ye Rahmon, Emomali of Rahmon). His first name has not changed. It's only its declension before the last name. If it were used alone, without the last name, its form should still be Эмомалӣ.
One last question: how can we translitterate Эмомалии in English? We could use Emomali-yi or Emomali-i to respect the origin of this spelling, but it's not really worth. I think Emomalii would be simpler and better.
Švitrigaila 10:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would personally go with Emomalii. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't usauly transliterate that izofa "и" in English titles. In the text, we can mention the original spelling and also the exact pronounciation (which is "i"). Jahangard 16:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyway, thanks for pointing out Persian nouns. That article needs to be modified. Jahangard 17:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think it's a good example. It's only the translitteration in Turkish. For example, Dushanbe is written "Duşanbe". But I agree we may wait and see for the spelling of his first name. His last name must me written Rahmon anyway. Švitrigaila 22:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. We should follow official Tajik websites and publications which are written in English. The official website of Rahmonov doesn't have English translation. Tajik embassy in USA is an example of what we should follow. Jahangard 22:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We must be very cautious about the English version of the official sites. I don't know about Tajik websites, but I know that Uzbek, Azeri, Turkmen, Belarusian sites are translated in English directly from the Russian version, so the names are translitterated into Russian first and then into English from the Russian verison. It explains for example the mess about Gurbanguly Berdimuhammedow's name spelling. I think those names must be respected in their original spelling when their language is written with Latin script (Uzbek, Azeri, Turkmen...) and translitterated directly from their original spelling otherwise (Tajik, Belorusian,...) Švitrigaila 08:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  News about his name 

message: Are we forgetting WP:NAME? - Francis Tyers · 17:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His former name is far more prevalent. - Francis Tyers · 17:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that they haven't even changed his name on the top of his official website yet. It's still "Раҳмонов". I don't see any point in being faster than his website designer (in changing the title). Jahangard 18:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is why I originally undid the move to Rahmon. KazakhPol 17:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. - Francis Tyers · 15:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:NAME

message: Guys, look at this! The article title is Emomali Rahmonov, the very first line says Emomalii Rahmon, so does the template down at the bottom, and all different versions are scattered throughout the article. I realize I do bear some responsibility for the mess (I kind of jumped the gun yesterday--sorry), but what should we DO?! K. Lásztocska 13:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this feeling. :o| What can we do? Nothing. But I think it's very temporary, because if this name is used, I hope there will be a clear majority for the change of the name of the article... or maybe not, as it's the case for Hirohito! I think the article's name can be changed now, and we need a clear vote. WIth your vote, my vote, and maybe two or three more votes I can found easlily, the change can be vote without much problem. Švitrigaila 13:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably take this to WP:RM. - Francis Tyers · 13:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARGH! 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support per my request. K. Lásztocska 14:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Support per my request. K. Lásztocska 14:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Oppose According to WP:NAME we should use the most familiar form to English speakers. This is currently Rahmonov. I can imagine this possibly changing in the future. - Francis Tyers · 15:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: :Add any additional comments:
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 14:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Take a look here: Talk:Gurbanguly Berdimuhammedow#Another name change. --Amir E. Aharoni 08:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This link doesn't exist... yet. :o| Švitrigaila 09:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake - forgot to write the Talk:. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  -Ov again ... 

message: Hmm.
On the official presidential website i see that they they write Эмомалӣ Раҳмон or Эмомали Раҳмон. But when i searched Google for Эмомалии i found a lot of Эмомалии Раҳмон on Tajik sites.
It's a bit strange. Does anyone have an explanation?
See also here - Ov. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh! You're right. He changed again! His name is still spelled Эмомалӣ Раҳмонов in all articles written before March 20, then it's spelled Эмомалии Раҳмон up to April 13, and Эмомалӣ Раҳмон from April 17! I fight for clear and simple naming conventions on Wikipedia, but those guys don't help me... :o( Švitrigaila 09:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess he was upset to discover that since his first name changed everybody call him Emomalii. But the second i is only a liaison between the first name and the surname, as I wrote above. It's like calling him Emomali of. And then he corrected his first move. ... All this is pure speculation of course. Švitrigaila 09:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ii

message: Been editing the infobox recently. Could someone tell me which language goes now after the Russian version of his name (I mean, in the infobox)? Is it Farsi? Thanks in advance. Gleb Toropchin (talk) 05:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in the infobox 

message: In the infobox, it says Mr. Rahmon was born in Khudjand, but in the text it states that he was born in Kulob.  Could someone with better knowledge than mine please clarify his actual place of birth.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.6.196 (talk) 04:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He was born in Danghara, a village near Kulob (KUlyab). He has nothing to do with Khujand. Dubovitsky (talk) 15:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: A few years have past since a name change has been made and the official website http://president.tj/en uses "Emomali" not "Emomalii" on all recent articles. One should just scroll down http://president.tj/en to the biography section and see it used extensively. If the president's official websites selects "Emomali" as the translation in English, i beleive it makes "Emomali" the official english spelling. Putitdownsorawww (talk) 02:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should consider a change in the first name 

message: I added the POV tag today. This article reads like an advertisement for Rahmon. One example is that he "faced a civil war" instead of a more neutral stance of "fought in" or "participated in". This article also nearly entirely ignores the alleged corruption and election fraud that independent observers have noted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.122.12.75 (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV