Talk:Etiquette in Australia and New Zealand

message: Australians commonly use colloquialisms in their speech. For example, one may say "I hear your grandmother carked it the other day" as opposed to a more gentle "passed away". This is a part of the very direct Australian dialect.
I think practically anyone would deem this as incredibly insensitive and rude. Format 00:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's any unsourced material that you think is wrong, you can remove it. You should note in your edit summary the reason for the removal. —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 08:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Needs to at least be firm. And strong is good too. Format 19:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, speaking as a kiwi the NZ handshake has taken a turn for the worse - too many people have a limp handshake these days. :(  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.28.138.230 (talk) 01:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This is funny. How can "Australia" refer to a celebrity? I think you mean "the media"? Well the media like to repeat the same old lines. Like UK articles always describe Peter Andre as being "Australian". Actually he was only raised there. But that is how the media work. Format (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

text: For the record, two members (out of three) were Australian, and they were formed in Australia. And you can have Russell Crowe back. Please take him.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.97.245.84 (talk) 13:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

text: In Emily Post's Etiquette (17th edition, 2004) in its Travel etiquette section, the countries are referred as less formal, more open towards strangers and shown warmth or friendliness, due to its warm climate. Australia and New Zealand may be portrayed to not have the regular formality or traditionally ethos like the Northeast USA or England, then again the article shown otherwise the Australian/New Zealander code of conduct doesn't vary as much from the US or UK. + Mike D 26 (talk) 04:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: I find this one difficult to believe

message: "It is very rude to try to get someone's attention in a public place by saying "Oi!" or "Hey you!" especially in bars/pubs and restaurants."
Is this true? I wouldn't say it is "very rude" in Queensland at least, certainly no more than yelling out in public ever is. "Oi Mate" is a pretty common way to alert people and I wouldn't imagine anyone being terrible upset by it.
King DeaN 14:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where it mentions "Common restaurant manners include using the knife and fork properly", should it be noted that the way Australians & New Zealanders use the knife and fork is the "European" way where the fork remains in the left hand, not the "American" way where the fork is held in the left hand while cutting with a knife & then switched to the right when eating? Swampy 2001:8003:2081:B600:24AF:8910:BCAE:C12 (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Bars and restaurants

message: This section seems to be written from the perspective of someone visiting Australia and New Zealand, rather than a person actually familiar with the etiquette.  I don't think it should have such a touristy tone.  "Requesting a fanny pack...".  Who would request a fanny pack?  All those specific references to what are essentially language differences between US and AUS seem like they should be in a different article.  This is not the kind of writing one would see in Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book.  Melissa1001 (talk) 18:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I read it as being strongly written from the perspective of an American visting either OZ or NZ. It should either be appropriately renamed, or rewritten to reflect what the title says.HiLo48 (talk) 03:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a pretty silly article. Fanny is hardly "obscene" - The Nanny has been screening for more than a decade with the word in the title song and no one had ever batted an eyelid. In any event, it is a standard, albeit uncommon, girl's name. As if any Australian would be upset by any language differences with the US? After all the years of US film and television, we know what all the differences are already and would hardly be offended. The bit about non-removal of hats and Returned and Services League of Australia clubs seems archiac. Here in Melbourne RSLs are not a big deal, and it is not like the general person routinely visits them. I know with skin cancer hats are recommended, but something tells me that old piece of etiqueete is connected to a time when a hat was a generally accepted part of a man's suit. Format (talk) 07:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone  

message: In Australia, on escalators, we stand on the left and walk on right. agree? MrTwig (talk) 04:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. And It's an important convention in busy places like city railway stations. HiLo48 (talk) 03:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Driving and walking 

message: The term "Aborigine" is not appropriate terminology due to its historical use as a derogatory term and though it is still in common use in a (non-derogatory manner) one should never use it when talking with an indigenous person. "Aboriginal" is the more acceptable term.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.53.155 (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aborigine is not polite 

message: It may be impolite to remark on Australia's history as a penal colony.
Aside from thew ambiguous nature of the word "may", I've never heard of that being impolite. Anoldtreeok (talk) 05:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: When I was younger (1950s & 1960s) most Australians I knew were quite assertive about the fact that they had no convict ancestry. To even hint at the possibility was quite insulting. That started to change in the 1970s when people started to actually look for such a background and boast about it. Some of those who felt the offence back then may still be around. And I can assure you that when English cricket fans make reference to the country's convict past, it's definitely meant as an insult. That most Australians don't see it that way hasn't yet reached their consciousness. HiLo48 (talk) 05:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well with political correctness what it is today where any reference to race/nationality is likely to erupt in an international media/youtube controvercy, I'm not so sure anyone would publically be making too many claims about "convicts" as an insult - but this has nothing to do with Australian "etiquette". (Personally I think it is pretty juvenile... I am Australian and do not think any one has ever actually said it to me, so it probabably isn't that common.) Format (talk) 01:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  what? 

message: "However, it is frowned upon and considered cowardly to make jokes in the absence of the subject. Contrary to many other countries, Australian's will generally wait until the subject is present before making derogatory jokes. For example, when an Australian meets a New Zealander on holiday,..."
On which planet is this? Greglocock (talk) 03:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: SO Ozzies never make Kiwi jokes unless a kiwi is present?

message: Since December 2007 (almost five years ago!) this article has had an Original research tag at the top, warning that "Statements consisting only of original research may be removed". Most of the article is of that nature, completely unsourced. It's clearly got worse in the past five years rather than better. It's an appalling Wikipedia article. So, cleanup now? HiLo48 (talk) 07:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've decided to tackle this with a few strategically placed "cn" tags. Will return in a few weeks and get brutal with unsourced material if necessary. HiLo48 (talk) 02:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it time to remove all the unsourced dross from this article? 

message: I'm willing to accept that there are quite a few people out there who would use 'cunt' in casual speech among their friends, but I would think the majority of people would rarely if ever do so.  Certainly in public, while hearing a stranger say 'fuck' would probably be pretty unremarkable these days, 'cunt' is still likely to cause offence.  What's more, I doubt any of this is particular to Australia (where I'm from) or New Zealand, so I don't see how it belongs in this article.  Anyway, the point was unsourced, so I removed it. — chromatica (talk) 05:28, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The C-word 

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message: Some of the Australian ones seem to be related to specific areas, for example most people I'm only young and I still use Aboriginal to talk about indigenous Australians, and so does everyone I have ever met, nor do I consider Abo offensive. Australia is a big place, and I think some Aussies are conflating their specific area with the whole country.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.72.114 (talk) 09:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: My experience.... I agree that "Aboriginal" is still acceptable as a noun in most places I've been. Dunno about "Abo" though. I feel it's offensive in most situations. Perhaps between a bunch of mates it might work, but never in formal conversation. My experience with Aboriginal people is throughout Victoria and all the way up the centre of the country to the Top End. HiLo48 (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Since when was Aboriginal only used as an adjective?