Talk:Athletic Bilbao

message: There is now seperate article on Miguel Jones
User:Djln--Djln 02:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Miguel Jones

message: I reckon it makes much more sense, since it is the club's policy to sign only basque players. If you feel Bixente Lizarazu should also get the Ikurrina treatment, or someone else shouldn't you are free to change it
--User:Malinskchen
I think it would be a good idea to also include Spanish flags for the majority of the players. The club has a distinguished record in producing Spanish internationals and most either have or are eligible to represent Spain
--Djln 17:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC
)User:Djln
Just one consideration. The policy of the club is to sign only local players, but not only Basques, some of them are/were from the neighbouring regions, even neighbouring countries like Lizarazu or some English players in the origin of the club. So in that case we should use the flags of:
*Basque Country 
*Navarra 
*La Rioja 
*Cantabria 
etc
So, as I defended in the Talk:FC Barcelona discussion, the use of regional flags in the main article is not reasonable.
--Uhanu 01:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bixente Lizarazu is also Basque. See Basque Country (historical territory) for explanation about this fact. -Theklan - Discussion 21:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque Flags for the players (instead of Spanish ones)

message: I understand that the policy of the club is still only to sign Basque players. These local players are Basques! Even the players from the neighbouring regions have Basque connections, e.g Basque parents or grandparents or have played for other Basque clubs as a youth, and Lizararu is a French Basque. These points and the clubs British origins are all mentioned in the article. While I agree the use of regional flags has become excessive in other articles, I believe there inclusion can be justified here. Djln --Djln 20:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cantera Policy & Flags

message: The coat-of-arms of Biscay was supported by a lion. --Error 03:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lions in the coat-of-arms

message: *
1902 Cup won by Vizcaya not Athletic, check official statistics: Athletic 23 Cups not 24
http://www.segundosfuera.com/futbol/palmares/espana/copa_del_rey.html
http://www.marca.com/futbol/coparey0506/palmares.html
http://www.elfutbolin.com/copadelrey/palmares.asp
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_del_Rey
http://www.nuestrozaragoza.com/historia/palmares/palmares_copa_rey.html
83.1992.2006
*You are quoting incorrect sources. Read Athletic Bilbao website history section and you will see that Club Vicaya was made up of two clubs that merged and became Athletic Bilbao. It is part of same club. I see by your user page that I am not the only one pissed off with your attitude and edits. If you carry on I will have to start an award for Most Persistant Vandal. Do mind if I name it after you. Djln--Djln 23:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is going nowhere and will probably descend into another round of edit wars. Please apply for Arbitration here--Tiresais 16:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1902 Cup

message: I have added the the note below to article. Hopefully this will resolve issue. 
**The number of Copa wins Athletic Bilbao have been credited with is disputed. The 1902 competition was won by Club Vizcaya, a team made up of players from Athletic Club and Bilbao FC. In 1903 these two clubs merged as  Athletic Club Bilbao. The 1902 cup is on display in the Athletic museum  and the club includes it in its own honours list.. However some sources do not include this as an Athletic win.Djln--Djln 23:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1902 Copa compromise

message: In the Squad listing;
*Daniel Aranzubia needs to link to Daniel Aranzubia rather than Daniel Aranzubia Aguado--Tiresais 16:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have unprotected the article. Go ahead and make the edits you see needed. Shanes 23:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankski--Tiresais 12:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unable to make these changes that are needed

message: I think this reference to the name in Basque should be removed, as it is not official (the only name is Athletic Club in ALL languages) and, in any case, it is not used by anybody, not even the local Basque press who just refers to it as "Athletic".
--tonis1 06:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name in Basque

message: Bixente Lizarazu, despite of being of french nacionality, is also basque, so it can't be argued that he was not inteligible for a pro-basque policy. -Theklan - Discussion 21:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was discussion at the time among the members. --Error 01:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bixente Lizarazu 

message: I have inserted a "dubious" over the assertion of presidents being EAJ-PNV members.
It has to be qualified with a timeframe.
--Error 01:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationalist presidents

message: I am not disputing that Club Vizcaya won the Copa in 1902. However this team is part of Athletic Bilbao history. Club Vizcaya is not a separate club from Athletic, but is part of the clubs history. Several clubs including FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Real Sociedad and RCD Espanyol and Real Union have won the Copa del Rey under different names. All trophies won under their various names are included in one list. So why should the Athletic record be different ?
Below is a timeline which explains the early history of Athletic. 
*Early 1890s: Bilbao FC formed by British workers.
*1898: Basque students returning from UK form Athletic Club.
*1902: Above two teams enter combined team known as Club Vizcaya in Copa del Rey.
*1903: These two teams merge and form Athletic Club Bilbao
*1907: The Club Vizcaya  name is revived as Athletic Club de Bilbao  and  Union Vizcaino entered another combined team in the Copa del Rey.
The 1902 Copa is included in Athletic’s own honours list  and the trophy is in their museum . The eleven Club Vizcaya    players who played in the final - L. Arana, E Careaga, P. Larranga, L. Silva, A. Arana, Goiri, Cazeaux, Astorquia, W. Dyer, R. Silva, W. Evans - are all included in an archive of former Athletic players . Djln--Djln 14:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BarcelonaMarc

message: Aplied successfully for protection because you two seem too happy to continue the childish edit war and not apply for arbitration. Please go and apply for arbitration so the matter can be settled. Thank you.--Tiresais 19:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Arbitration has been requested for this page.
Djln--Djln 23:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1902 Copa del Rey

message: - LFP (La Liga) and RFEF (Spanish Football Federation) official statistics don't include the 1902 Cup as an Athletic win. So do the Spanish media (links demonstrating it in Talk:Copa del Rey). LFP and RFEF are the governing bodies of football in Spain, so wikipedia, if it is a serious thing, must reflect the current official satistics. We can argue if Athletic and Club Vizcaya is the same football club or not, but we can't discuss that LFP and RFEF don't include the 1902 Cup as an Athletic win cause it is a fact.   
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- In addition to this, Djln's point of view is already reflected in both Copa del Rey and Athletic Club articles.
If you wish to contribute to above debate further I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Djln--Djln 13:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement by [[User: BarcelonaMarc|BarcelonaMarc]] 

message: This article is getting kind of messy because of its excessive usage of flags. Let me remind WP:FLAGS and note you that the current squad template has become a mess by the inclusion of Basque flags in it. Double nationalities are not supported by the template, so please do not include in it. Then I understand the Basque pride and whatever, but the Basque Country is not recognized by either UEFA or FIFA, differently than other autonomous territories such as Scotland, Wales and the Faroe Islands. --Angelo 13:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Excessive use of flags

message: En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates & dashes

message: As the official name of this team is "Athletic Club", I think this should be the page name instead of "Athletic Bilbao"
Erual7 07:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the club is commonly referred to in English-language media as "Athletic Bilbao", so it should stay as that. - PeeJay 17:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Athletic Club" is unclear in English language; better to use the current name (per WP:COMMON). --Angelo 17:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We are no talking about what is clear or not in English. The official name is "Athletic Club", and that MUST be the page name. Athletic Club is a proper name and the official one, you just cannot change it. We don't care about the English media, please remember "Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.222.102.46 (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, Athletic Club is the REAL name instead of Athletic Bilbao, doesn't matter if is it unclear or not Athletic Club is the ONLY name of this team. --Niquinio (talk) 15:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move page? 

message: Why is there a Venezuelan flag next to Fernando Amorebieta's name? Even though he was indeed born in Venezuela, he is not eligible to play for Venezuela, but Spain, as explained on the article on him. Therefore his "football nationality" is Spanish, not Venezuelan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wislabe (talk • contribs) 19:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact he should have a Spanish flag next to his name - in case he really represented Spain at the youth level (as stated in the article about him). --Angelo (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amorebieta, why Venezuelan flag? 

message: Not again, Wikizin. Mediation ended for Copa del Rey, this is a different article and has its own issues. Read the talk page, read all the comments, don't act as if this all doesn't matter because of an archived mediation. That is not the way... if you want to start another discussion and then another mediation, go on. But DON't start edit warring again, using anonymous IP, changing facts without discussing... I can tell you that this one will be a far greater battle, don't do this.David (talk) 11:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not again 

message: Does the club operate on a bilingual basis, or just in Basque?  If you go to a match, will announcements be in both languages? 71.205.174.204 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 04:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: The insistence on starting the paragraph with "It's" completely undermines the value of this contribution. Not only is it sloppy, lazy and unprofessional, it is also grammatically incorrect (see. http://www.its-not-its.info/). I have changed it to "Athletic Bilbao's". Any objection to this revert, then please discuss why, here. Panhead2014 (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you insist on this issue, even after being suspended a week for editing war, only Atlhetic is enough. Gringoladomenega (talk) 5 August 2014 (UTC)
What was the problem you had with my edit? Why do you persist in, at first reverting a valid contribution to "It's", which made no sense grammatically, to now to reverting it to simply "Athletic's". What problem do you have with starting the paragraph with "Athletic Bilbao's"? Or is there an ulterior motive here? Panhead2014 (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Using too many "Athletic Bilbao" is unnecessary and repetitive. What's the need of doing obvious edits? "It's" is very understandable, as we are talking about Athletic Bilbao, and we are editing in their page! MYS77 ✉ 02:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

text: I won't discuss with a guy who clearly has a prejudice with non-native English/American (or any other country who you're from) people. MYS77 ✉ 01:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

text: As your "reference" shows, we can use "Its" instead of "It's", and we were using this type of grammar to avoid the use of the same words too many times. MYS77 ✉ 23:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The brief paragraph about Athletic Bilbao's rivals 

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