Talk:Socionics

message: Statement “is a pseudoscientific” is an opinion, not a fact. It is badly phrased and open to argument. Socionics is a hypothesis it is not considered theory. Change this to a reference about how it has faced criticism by specific individuals/ groups with credited sources later on in the article. Accuracy is important so it may be worth referencing the validity/lack of clinical testing as a seperate point. Point that it is generally not perceived as scientifically proven by academics should be indicated, but not just stated as truth. This is objectively false. SarahMalkmus (talk) 06:05, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we will follow the sources. - Roxy the dog  06:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  “is a pseudoscientific” 

message: How can a theory be pseudoscientific?
In my OPINION a theory is just a theory until it can be proven by scientific methods and just then it becomes science or a scientific fact.
A theory that cannot be proven by scientific methods is not by definition pseudoscientific, it has to be proven to be FALSE by scientific methods before it can be declared to be pseudoscientific and I doubt that socionics as whole and as a philosophical concept or theory has been proven to be false by scientific methods.
If it helps, I am trained engineer with a background in scientific research, so I should know one or two things about scientific methods, although I have no academic training in psychology nor philosophy.
…and what happened to this page? A couple of years ago it was much longer and then it was one of my favorite articles on Wikipedia. Can someone please restore all those sections with subgroups like Quadras, Clubs, Temperaments etc.? I think they were a helpful complement for the understanding of intertype relationships. 81.236.0.233 (talk) 11:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of theories are pseudoscientific. Flat earth theory, Ancient astronauts, and Homeopathy just to name a few. Part of the definition of pseudoscience is that it claims to be scientific even though it is not. Some things are not well defined enough to be falsifiable, which means that they cannot be proven (or disproven) by scientific methods. That is the case here. What 'happened to this page' is that a lot of unreliably sourced material was cut. Wikipedia presents scientific (or pseudoscientific) topics from the mainstream view, which means that it leaves out details that are discussed by the pseudoscientists and no one else. MrOllie (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some thoughts 

message: Adding 'is considered by some a pseudoscience' to the start of the socionics article would be more accurate. I'm still reading about it but there's definitely some areas where the scientific method is being used. Goodnighthawk (talk) 03:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: - Wikipedia follows the reliable sources, it doesn't water down their positions. - MrOllie (talk) 03:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024 

message: I have rewritten the opening section of this article to better introduce this topic. However, this resulted in some information being cut. I'm not sure where in the article this information should go (if it should be kept at all), so I am pasting it here for future reference. 
Socionics is modification of Jung's personality type theory that uses eight psychic functions instead of four. These cognitive functions are supposed to process information at varying levels of competency and interact with the corresponding function in other individuals, giving rise to predictable reactions and impressions—a theory of intertype relations. 
However, the immutability of socionic  рsychophysiological types is determined by the stability of their neural structures in the brain. At the same time, psychological personality traits can evolve and change throughout life.Nesterenko, A.I., Vasilyev, V.N., Medvedev, M.A. et al. Physiological and Psychological Expression of Personality Types. Human Physiology 29, 729–734 (2003). https://doi.org/10.1023/B:HUMP.0000008846.76263.b9Krivo Yu.A. SOCIONICS. PHYSIOLOGY. COGNITIVE SCIENCE. MODEL OF HUMAN FUNCTIONAL SYSTEMS FOR USE IN PSYCHOLOGY//Man, Art, Universe, №1, 2018, p.90-102, http://iidp.ru/paper/files/sbornik_2018.pdfPanchulazyan, K. A. POLYGRAPHOLOGICAL PSYCHO-PHYSIOLOGICAL DETERMINATION OF TYPES CHARACTER OF ATHLETS//Electronic Journal of Natural Sciences, 2019, Vol. 33 Issue 2, p36-39. 4p.
In the West, the term 'socionics' () is used in a different sense, to refer to an interdisciplinary area of research on distributed artificial intelligence systems and their applications to sociology. Google Books
Heatedfrost (talk) 12:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information cut from opening section