Talk:UK underground

message: Is English underground dealing with the same topic as UK underground? It is currently unclear what that article is about, but it mentions some of the same people as this article. SilkTork *YES! 12:25, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, English underground is a much wider topic and refers to much older traditions. It has a bearing on aspects of UK Underground, but the two are separate topics with their own identities. They need separate articles as they each have large areas which are not in common. Ty 21:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say, probably yes. The English Underground article primarily sources Jonathan Greene's book, which is about the same scene as described in this article. Wwwhatsup (talk) 05:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It sources E.P. Thompson, who uses the term to refer to basically the folk music tradition. This was an influence on some of the 1960s Underground musicians.  However the 1960s Underground encompassed many other cultural and political activities, not just music. It is much clearer to keep two articles as at present with the English Underground as a section of UK Underground and linked as . Ty 01:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about English underground becoming a section in the UK underground article? SilkTork *YES! 12:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But the English underground is not just a part of the UK Underground.  It is a stand-alone subject, which mostly has nothing at all to do with the UK Underground, and has a history pre-dating it by at least a century. All of this can, and should be developed, in its own article. It was just one of the influences on some of the 1960s Underground musicians, along with e.g. Eastern music, mediaeval music, blues and other. The Underground musicians were themselves only one aspect of the entire Underground movement, which included publications, events, theatre, politics and visual arts. The names might lead to confusion, just as London Underground might, but that's not a reason to merge (the UK Underground in London is also referred to as the London Underground, but the context makes the meaning clear). Ty 01:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

text: That's totally inappropriate. We don't merge separate subjects which have some overlap because they are not yet fully-fledged. Ladbroke Grove Underground is an integral part of UK Underground, as is London Underground.  English underground is not part of UK Underground. I suggest you start an RfC to get wider input. Ty 02:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

text: We do not settle content disputes by voting, but by discussion and consensus. I suggest you start an article WP:RFC for outside participation. Ty 05:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible merge

message: I have just finished reading Days In The Life: Voices from the English Underground, 1961-71 by Jonathon Green and it certainly has a wealth of anecdotal material - I don't kno how much it could be counted as "reliable" but it is certainly quotable and gives a fair choronology of the development of the the culture and media. I am next going after All Dressed Up: The Sixties and the Counterculture also by Jonathon Green, and London Calling: A Countercultural History of London Since 1945 by Barry Miles. In Green's book it was noted that, while there was text aplenty in the underground press, there were actually next to no topical prose books at the time - in fact it was less or more down to Richard Neville's manifesto Play Power and Jeff Nuttall's parthian Bomb Culture. I would add Mick Farren's scat Watch Out Kids. I don't know if I'll ever find the time to write up the article according to these sources, but I'd suggest that, as the release of the Oz movie approaches, there's going to be increasing interest in the period, and someone should! Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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