Talk:Linux/Archive 2

message: I'm not sure what is really desired, but I would like to point out that GNU/Linux and Gnu/Linux redirect to two different locations, one of which is this page. Dataphile 01:09, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
:I have fixed both to point here, on the assumption that most people will be looking for Linux. —Kate | Talk 01:19, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
::Then noticed that David Gerard did this before then undid it.  I've asked him why it's like this... —Kate | Talk 01:22, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
:::The first was a few months ago, which you will see discussed in /Archive1. I pointed it at GNU/Linux naming controversy, but looked at  its actual usage, which showed this was gravely erroneous, and pointed it here ;-) The second, this is the first I've seen of it existing. Anyway, it's all lovely now - David Gerard 17:57, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent Redirect 

message: I have a problem with this line. AFAIK (and even mentioned later in the article) Linux was designed to replace Minix on Linus computer. The original line sounds too much like that guy (forgot his name already) who recently tried to "prove" in a poorly researched book that Linus didn't write Linux but stole code from Minix.
TToni
*I agree with you. If the page wasn't blocked I would have changed it already. 
How about: 
**Linus originally used Minux on his computer. But Andrew Tanenbaum did not support creating extensions to this operating system. This prompted Linus to write a replacement for Minux. Although, originally a running Minux system was necessary to install and run Linux, the Linux system quickly surpassed Minux. The two systems do not share code and are only alike in as far as the both implement unix. Sander123 13:45, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It was designed to be like Minix" 

message: The collection of external links confuses me. 
*There's too many links to distros without any context as to what makes them different.
*Running linux 'on' windows is not really running linux, although it can be an intro to linux for windows users. Some distinction should be made.
*Bochs, VMware and Cygwin have nothing to do with linux, even if they are often used together with linux. Plex86 is a linux vm, running on linux, and is obselete. VMs in general add little to an understanding of linux.
*There is no link to kernel.org.
Thought I should put this up instead of changing for a disputed page. jericho4.0 05:24, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would encorage you to make these changes.  They seem right to me. JesseW 09:19, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: This can easily be proved this if anyone would like. It used to be though. Info needs tobe updated.--Jondel 02:41, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: People use the term "linux" loosly to describe open source software in general. Linux is no good without glibc, coreutils, bash (or any shell), etc -- so you end up with a GNU/Linux which is an opensource operating system that uses the linux kernel. So when people said "hotmail runs on linux" what they meant is "hotmail runs on open source software" -- the typical person doesnt understand the diference between the 2 and its unimportant since the services and base system, shell, applications, etc are identical on *bsd and gnu/linux. In anycase -- all external servers that route the connection to god knows what are now on windows and there is no way of checking what operating system is used internally. It may well still be FreeBSD and there is a good chance it is indeed. --Hackeron 19:20, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hotmail never ran linux. I doubt it does now. Around 2001 (IIRC) Microsoft switched it over from FreeBSD (One of the largest FreeBSD farms in the world at the time, actually) to Windows Server.... and *crash* down it went. The incident was rather notable, and was much lauded by open-source advocates and zealots alike. But the hotmail (now: passport) all run Windows Server. - rernst 05:18, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Hotmail does not run anymore on linux

message: The Debian thumbnail image under "Usability, market share and moving from Windows" states "A typical Debian desktop" when in truth this is not a typical Debian desktop. Its more like a typical Debian desktop that has been fixed up extensivly.
:I could put in a screenshot of my Debian laptop running twm ;-) - David Gerard 22:01, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A typical Debian desktop" 

message: Anon, do us the courtesy of reading the whole damn talk page before attempting to system-game by referring to it. I think someone would have to be a drooling idiot not to notice the common usage, such as in the mass media, of "Linux" to refer to the whole operating systems. See the commented-out link to The Economist in the source of the page. Do a search on Google News. Pretty much no-one in the "wider world" calls the operating systems anything but "Linux", whether you lost a flamewar or no - David Gerard 04:18, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. That "common" usage of the term refers to a complete operating system is easy to verify. Not everybody is happy about it, but it's a fact. Geez, use some common sense. Rl 12:19, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "commonly used to describe"

message: Someone removed the piped link ('also known as'), but it was reverted . When I think about it, though, this link is poorly implemented (as explained in Wikipedia:Piped link), and I think it needs changing after all... Although not much information is lost when printed (as it still states in this article what it actually is 'also known as'). What do you think? --Spug 12:10, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piped link 

message: I'm writing a navigational template for GNU/Linux - various distros and the like will be linked. See Template:Linux if you would like to help. Alphax τεχ 02:29, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
:Hello? Anyone? No? Ok. No pretty box for you! Alphax τεχ 13:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigational template 

message: The article mentions the naming controversy but doesn't describe the reasons for the controversy.  The article doesn't state explicity the reasons why the FSF wants GNU mentioned, history is mentioned and it's hinted perhaps they want more of the credit, but I assume they also want GNU mentioned so freedom is emphasized.  The article does not convey that point at all currently.  The article also should have an expanded mention of the GPL in my opinion, currently the article doesn't even hint at what the GPL is all about (which is perhaps one way of looking at the essence of Linux). zen master    T  00:17, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have a whole page about the GNU/Linux naming controversy, named curiously GNU/Linux naming controversy which is linked from the Linux page.  Same for GNU General Public License. AlistairMcMillan 00:59, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some synopsis of the essence of the controversy should be mentioned in this article. Also, it should be alleged that the GPL was and is a big part of Linux's success and why the license terms matter to some developers. zen master    T  05:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GNU/Linux naming controversy 

message: You might have noticed my latest edit... the penguin mascot can be called "plump" or "cute", but frankly, I think that they're both POV. Linus Torvalds specifically said this:
"Now, when you think about penguins, first take a deep calming breath, and then think "cuddly". Take another breath, and think "cute". Go back to "cuddly" for a while (and go on breathing), then think "contented".
With me so far? Good..
Now, with penguins, (cuddly such), "contented" means it has either just gotten laid, or it's stuffed on herring. Take it from me, I'm an expert on penguins, those are really the only two options.
Now, working on that angle, we don't really want to be associated with a randy penguin (well, we do, but it's not politic, so we won't), so we should be looking at the "stuffed to its brim with herring" angle here...
...Ok, so we should be thinking of a lovable, cuddly, stuffed penguin sitting down after having gorged itself on herring..." -Linus Torvalds (source: Why Linus Chose a Penguin
With that... let the edit war begin ;-) --Linuxbeak 21:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mascot 

message: Have we considered adding the results of this study (http://www.novell.com/linux/truth/better_choice.html?tab=tco) to the page? - 203.35.154.254 06:55, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infamous TCOs of Linux 

message: I understood that Linux was a recursive acronym (or something like that) for Linux is not Unix. Can anyone confirm whether or not this is the case, and whether it can be included in the article.  Cheers, Smoddy (tgeck) 19:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you are thinking of GNU which stands for Gnu's not unix.  Linux is Linus + nix, from multix or some other OS he was working on back in the day. zen master    T  19:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah right.  Thanks, Smoddy (tgeck) 21:39, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name