Talk:Die Another Day/Archive 1

message: The article states that Die Another Day did not feature Llewelyn because he died. Actually, he officially announced he was done with the Bond movies shortly before his fatal car accident. I have edited the main page to reflect this. -The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kuvopolis (talk • contribs) 04:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that the changes you made were undone, in any case what you say is not true. I have read many places that Llewelyn intended to continue on until he was no longer physically able to. I can find sources to back this up if need be.Largo1965 21:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Desmond Llewelyn

message: Who keeps changing cloaking device to adaptive camoflauge? The feature on Bond's car is a cloaking device. The name may seem too sci fi for some 007 fans, but as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, it IS a duck.  Simon Beavis
:It keeps getting changed because in the film they call it adaptive camoflauge. I really don't care. I prefer "invisible" (unlinked) :) K1Bond007 04:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The car's cloaking device

message: Anybody have a reference for the "buy another day" nickname?  I've personally never heard this one before. Guinness 14:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true. It's not a widely used nickname, but it was used by the BBC, Time, and Reuters (although I can't find the original report by them. Search Google for "Buy Another Day" and the Reuters report will come up a bunch of times on other websites). K1Bond007 21:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Buy another day" 

message: What about the so-called "switchblade" stealth gliders? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ralphybaby (talk • contribs) .
:Added. K1Bond007 23:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Switchblade" 

message: Nearly a year ago I suggested a section be added referencing some of the major references to earlier Bond films, especially since the introduction makes explicit mention of this yet the article doesn't really follow up save for one trivia item. I just tried to add a list, but I realized that it was making the article too long (even though I was just listing major and notable references, not some of the the rather debatable and IMO dubious "references" contained within the IMDb listing for the film). Any ideas how this should be handled? I'm hesitant to create an article on the references as I've seen several go the way of AFD recently. Yet the references are undeniably a major part of the film, acknowledged by the creators, so they should be mentioned somehow ... 23skidoo 17:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Bond-film (and book, etc) references are a serious omission from this article at present. What's the length issue?? Plenty of wikipedia articles are much longer than this. Rather than sponsoring a free-for-all of each person's favourite bond-references they think they've spotted (like on IMDB), can we not get an authoritative source on what references were *intentionally* incorporated by the scriptwriters/directors/etc? Any ideas anyone? Mooncow 17:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A good reference point for this would be the Die Another Day DVD which has an option to watch the movie with "pop up video" style trivia balloons which provide a lot of info on what all of the references are.Largo1965 21:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The film references ... again

message: I oppose splitting the article into separate film and novel articles. I fail to see how this would benefit Wikipedia, plus the resulting article would be simply a stub unless you want to simply repeat the plot summary given here. 23skidoo 13:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not split the article

message: There is a section headed "MPAA delay", but it doesn't actually mention any particular delay. Was the delay important and should it be mentioned? This sounds like somebody's pet peeve to me. Can this note simply be rewritten more briefly and added to the Overview? Any objections? Mooncow 17:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really not that important, IMHO. For now, I guess, I merged it with the trivia section. No reason whatsoever for it to have it's own section. K1Bond007 06:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MPAA delay?

message: I cleaned up the bloated trivia section as much as I think I could. It was a judgement call on a lot of it. Some were pretty obvious deletions (eg: Chang is a very common oriental surname - its not notable to have people showing up in various movies with that surname). Some were inconsequential (Bond has long hair? Branson as a model for Graves?) or just out of date (Judi Dench is in Casino Royale hence its pointless to talk about her planned replacement in this movie). Discussions and analysis about Oedipal issues of Bond villains should not be really be dumped into trivia (its not really trivia - its an analysis and opinion IMO). I moved the item about elements being borrowed from Moonraker and other Bond books to the overview section as the analysis fits better there than being in the "trivia basket". 
On the Lee Tamahori speculation that "James Bond" is a title and not a name, I have copied the item point here: 
::The director, Lee Tamahori, wanted Sean Connery to film a cameo appearance in the movie, however, the producers rejected the idea because they didn't want to have two actors who were James Bond on screen at the same time. To explain how this occurrence is possible, Tamahori concocted a controversial theory that the name "James Bond" is a codename (like 007) which is given to the best and most accomplished secret agents. It is also meant to explain Bond's ageless ability, his difference in appearance and radical changes between actors (e.g., Roger Moore vs Timothy Dalton). The only possible evidence to support this theory in the official EON film series is George Lazenby's final line in the pre-title sequence of On Her Majesty's Secret Service where the Bond girl runs away after Bond is ambushed on a beach: "This never happened to the other fella." However, the idea that "James Bond-007" is an identity passed to various MI6 agents is the basis of the plot to the spoof version of Casino Royale (1967 film). The theory is largely denounced by fans and somewhat undermined by the light continuity in subsequent films when Bond's wife, Tracy, or his marriage in general (from On Her Majesty's Secret Service) is mentioned. Nevertheless, the theory tends to be subject to much debate.
It really shouldn't be in the already bloated Trivia section of Die Another Day. Its really a fanboy discussion at best (start a new Wiki article if you want :) . I moved it here as a record of the item and as a politeness. I left in the trivia that he wanted Sean Connery for a cameo appearance but was nixed by the producers. --Eqdoktor 19:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia cleanup 

message: There is a parody of this movie in Hokkien--a short one.  Do you think we should add it in the trivia section? Anyway, it's worth watching it. 165.21.155.11 03:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parody 

message: There's a major theme of Cold vs Heat going on throughout the whole movie. Compare Frost to Jynx. Or Cuba setting (where James macks in the hot hotel room) to Ice-Palace setting (where James macks on a giant ice swan). Or Caucasian villain (cool and relaxed) to Diamond-faced villain (a filibuster). 
Or just look at the really obvious intro, where an ice woman is fighting a lava woman. ... Lots of red vs blue going on throughout this movie.
(I saw they had a theme of White for Agent 47, but I'm not sure if Movies can also have a theme section or not.) JimmmyThePiep 04:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme: Cold vs Heat 

message: *The character Wai Lin, played by Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies, was originally supposed to make her return, aiding Bond in Hong Kong, but no arrangement could be worked out with the actress, and she was replaced by Chinese Intelligence agent Chang. Wai Lin's presence is confirmed by an extra on the DVD release concerning the writing of the script: Barbara Broccoli is shown leafing through an early script, and it clearly contains lines for Wai Lin.
*The magazine with the picture of Gustav Graves which Bond is reading on his flight to London is actually the real November 2002 in-flight magazine for British Airways, which features an interview with Toby Stephens about playing the role of Graves.
*The book A Field Guide to the Birds of the West Indies by James Bond, the ornithologist whose name inspired Ian Fleming, is used by Bond to provide a cover as an ornithologist.
*The director, Lee Tamahori, wanted Sean Connery to film a cameo appearance in the movie, however, the producers rejected the idea because they didn't want to have two actors who were James Bond on screen at the same time. 
*The "flesh wound" comment during Bond's training at the abandoned Underground station refers to the film Monty Python and the Holy Grail, which John Cleese co-wrote and starred in.
*The supposed anti-satellite missile launch is actually footage of a Harpoon anti-ship missile being launched from a Royal Navy Type 23 frigate. The footage is the same as used at the beginning of Tomorrow Never Dies. David Pro 23:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia (removed from the article)

message: That right actually goes to Live and Let Die.
The top 5 of the franchise are
Thunderball
Goldfinger
From Russia With Love
Live and Let Die
Casino Royale
http://k1bond007.shackspace.com/James%20Bond/Statistics/world_admissions.pngThirdEchelonSC1 01:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was when it came out. Then it was overpassed by Casino Royale in 2006. Your picture is showing attendance to the James Bond films (number of people), not how much money they made. El Greco (talk · contribs) 01:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Die Another Day isn't the most highest grossing James Bond film with or without adjusted inflation