Talk:Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo

message: I removed the "in excellent condition" in the introductory paragraph, since one of its cauldrons recently blew up, killing at least 4 people and injuring a few more. The explosion was due to lack of routine maintenance. Also, the ship is nowadays (december 06) docked undergoing major reparations in infrastructure, which hardly qualify the ship's condition as "excelent"LtDoc 16:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Where is the discussion relative to the new article name ? are you going to rename USS Enterprise (CVN-65), HMS Invincible (R05), HMAS Melbourne (R21),  etc. etc. etc.  too ? --Jor70 (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed a reference to the Basel treaty. Which is perfectly acceptable, but it doesn't apply to this article much at all. Actually it introduces a bit of bias on the part of the article.
--[(User:BobDole|BobDole)]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.149.216.66 (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: The discussion was here.  Further to that discussion I feel it appropriate to point out that unlike prefixes such as "USS", "HMS" and "HMAS" which apply to all naval ships of their respective navies and which indicate to which navy (and country) the ships in question belong, the Brazillian prefixes refer to ship types and are not national identifiers.  Consequently, it is appropriate that the article include the country in the title. - Nick Thorne talk 21:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didnt notice that. Its common to use MB when referring marinha (not only in their home page  but also in newspapers, official reports, etc. as well FAB for forca aerea and EB for exercito) but yes they are not part of the official name of the ships.  Personaly I still think "Sao Paulo (A12)" would be enough and more common to all the other ship articles. But as you  already reach a consensus I suppose we will need to live with this articles names --Jor70 (talk) 23:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Charles de Gaulle (R 91), Juan Carlos I (L61), and Principe de Asturias (R11) all appear to be mistitled also. CdG and PdA were both moved from the correct titles in Sept 06 and Jan 07, respectively, so I've reverted the moves. However, I don't know what to call the Juan Carlos I! Spanish aircraft carrier Juan Carlos I and Spanish amphibious assault ship Juan Carlos I are not quite accurate, as the ship is both per the Spanish Navy. Either would be fine with me, or we could use Spanish multipurpose carrier Juan Carlos I. Thoughts? Also, I'm sure there are other misnamed ship articles out there. - BillCJ (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you want to maintain this (IMHO somewhat unfair if compared with the others ships who were lucky enough to have a prefix) JCI would be called "Spaniard Strategic Proyection Ship Juan Carlos I"  (!!!) because officially is not a carrier nor an assault ship.  Officially the ship name is "Juan Carlos I (L61)"  why should force disambig if there is not other ship with that name ? --Jor70 (talk) 11:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

text: It is disambiguation, but it does follow the naming conventions set forth for ships not having national identifiers. Feel free to take this up as WPSHIPS. Who knows, you might gain a consensus to make a change. I'll probably support you, as the conventions do get quite complicated - per COMMONNAMES, the name and pennant number should be sufficient. - BillCJ (talk) 18:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  We are replacing the prefix with not only the navy name but also the ship type, why dont add the shipyard or current captain too then ?  What is the need to add the ship type ? There is common sense to not put that in articles ( e.g. Thulium is not called "chemical element Thulium" ) and in any case, under this logic, USS Dickens (APA-161) should be renamed "attack transport USS Dickens (APA-161)". --Jor70 (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

text: The naming conventions have been in place for a long time, long before I became active in WPSHIPS. I don't know why they are the way they are, so I can't explain it. But it is the consensus, and so I follow it until it changes. I suspect you'll get better answers at WT:SHIPS, and probably from some of those who helped to for the naming conventions as they are now. Like most things on WP, I'm sure a lot of compromises involved. - BillCJ (talk) 19:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Jor70. It doesn't make any sense for the ship type to be included in the article name. It would be the same as adding the aircraft type to an aircraft article (e.g. "Multirole jet fighter aircraft F-16 Fighting Falcon", "Transport aircraft C-5 Galaxy", etc). Jor70 and I aren't the only ones who don't agree with the Ship naming conventions... I think we should reopen the discussion. Limongi  (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Having read the most recent discussion on discontinuing the "predisambiguated" titles on the NC talk page, I don't think any new sugesstions to change this is going to go very far. However, that's the purpose of such discussions, to see if the consensus has changed any since the last discussion. Perhaps it has. I definitely support the COmmon name approach over the misapplication of the "associated country must be in the title" approach. - BillCJ (talk) 22:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
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Too biased to use? Hcobb (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sensationalism. Typical of that blog site. Not a reliable source. - BilCat (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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