Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via WikiProjects/Archive 3

message: I think we are getting near to the time when we can start contacting the projects again.  The sun is shining, the bot is working nicely, and the WP0.5 and WP1.0 are almost ready to go.  Would someone care to draft a new message?  This time:
* We are asking for their most important articles ("key articles", not just the best ones, i.e. what would they like to see on the CD?
* We want to encourage them to submit those key articles to WP:V0.5N and/or WP:V1N.
* We also want to encourage them to use the automated list, log & statistics generated by the bot.
* Is there anything I missed?
Please post your suggested wordings below, and we'll try editing our favourite. Thanks! Walkerma 19:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incidentally, if you're going to be asking for "key articles", you might want to mention the total size of the article set that's going to be on the CD; otherwise, it's a bit difficult to judge relative importance ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan (very soon, after exams!) to write a short definition of key articles that will try to put a number on things, though this will be hard.  This will regarded as the next level in importance below Vital articles, so we will have a hierarchy:
Core Topics + supps. (150 + 150) > VAs (1000) > Key articles (10,000??)
The "importance" criterion is, however, a relative one, to be judged within the context of each WikiProject. Thanks for your comment, Walkerma 22:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, we will definitely have to write this up before we do the post.  Thanks! Walkerma 04:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I haven't written anything on using the bot yet, but I have a draft version of the next post.  I used Tito's earlier draft as a starting point, then I updated it.  Please feel free to edit this in my sandbox until we can agree on wording. Thanks, Walkerma 06:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  When do we start spamming? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 06:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about doing the Arts listings tonight? Walkerma 03:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I'll try to cook up a template that can be added to a WikiProject's banner and would add all the functionality easily. Then, there are some instructions at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index of subjects, so those may work. Interiot's list may help, although there have been undergoing issues with the Toolserver, but it may still be of some work. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 03:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  . I'll try to write the instructions for that thing right now. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you may have seen, Oleg wants us to hold off contacting projects until the importance thing is working (perhaps this weekend?).  That will give us more time to work on getting the project lists updated, at least.  Tito (and anyone else watching tonight?), can you check over the new Guide to Using Mathbot and correct as needed?  Please add in any suitable information about the new template.  Thanks, Walkerma 04:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like us to be using an updated list of wikiprojects, but I see that Interiot's list isn't working.  Unfortunately I never copied the list when it was working, did anyone else?  Wikipedia:List of WikiProjects seems to be a bit incomplete.  Should we plough through the category listing by hand?  We should probably get the Arts projects updated in the next day or two.  Any thoughts? Walkerma 06:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I said, the toolserver is currently undergoing some changes to get replication from the English Wikipedia working correctly (long story). I do have an offline copy of the report, dated April 29, and I've played around with it and made an list at User:Titoxd/WikiProject list hack. Does that help? Titoxd(?!?) 06:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The next postings 

message: From Wikipedia:WikiProject Books — /Worklist take a look (and copy) and comment. feydey 13:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is fantastic!  Exactly what we need, thanks!  I had been concerned that we were weak on literature, which I (even as a chemist!) consider a very important subject area, but this helps to rectify the situation.  I'll contact the project too.  Thank you!  Walkerma 14:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature 

message: I see that our project has had the pages Anime and History of anime rated, but the project also includes Manga. --Squilibob 00:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but those were the only replies we got when we last contacted your WikiProject. Don't worry, as we are planning another run of contacts soon. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok thanks, didn't know what the process was. --Squilibob 00:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Anime and manga 

message: I believe a worklist created for the Wikifilms project would be highly appreciated and very helpful in identifying articles and organizing efforts.  What process does a Wikiproject have to go through, in order to request a worklist?  A response would be appreciated.--P-Chan 06:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prior to Mathbot, worklists were manually maintained by the individual Project members; you don't so much "request" a worklist as you simply go ahead and make it. If you want to set up an automagically updated (if totally otherwise unorganized) list, there is a page set up for just this purpose. In your particular case you would take  and add Template:Class parameter to it. (at least, this is how I understand the process). Nifboy 07:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grr... first time I've seen that! I had to code it all myself! --kingboyk 13:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So did everybody else; I don't know of any project that actually used that template ;-) Kirill Lokshin 15:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, keep in mind the actual process of rating articles still has to be done manually, by volunteers. No amount of WikiMagic will get you a complete list of rated articles without a significant amount of work (Hence, bigger projects keep their lists to the most important works; the CVG list is called "Essential articles" for this reason). Nifboy 07:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  We are at the embryonic stages of getting organized.  The template tag "V0.5|class=FA|category=Arts" seems to block our Film|class=FA tags.  I have a feeling that they are mutually exclusive.  Would it be alright to remove the 0.5 tags?--P-Chan 00:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind.  I think this has been resolved.--P-Chan 23:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject Films

message: Hi. On the behalf of The Simpsons WikiProject I would like to request a bot to generate a worklist. I believe that our banner  does everything that is required. --Maitch 13:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was away, but now you seem to have the bot working properly.  Let us know if you need any help. Cheers, Walkerma 02:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject The Simpsons

message: Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects#.5B.5BTemplate:WPBeatles.5D.5D_is_now_transcluding_comments. --kingboyk 08:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WPBeatles]] is now transcluding comments 

message: I was looking over the lists and noticed articles like Wii/archive11 being listed as B-class. Obviously this isn't the case; the assessment is a talk page leftover for the Wii article. Any chance we could get the bot to ignore either archive pages or talk pages without articles? Nifboy 07:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the very small number of cases where this occurs and the difficulty in making changes to the bot, might it not be easier simply to remove the tags from the archive? Kirill Lokshin 15:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have thought so. An occasional trawl through the categories/bot-produced-lists of one's WikiProject to check for weirdness like that is part of the game I'm afraid. --kingboyk 16:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can teach the bot to ignore any pages containing the string "/archive", but I agree that the better solution is just to not archive the line with the template and assessment. I think it is not good to keep outdated assessments in the archive and they just clutter the categories. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive pages with ratings being tagged by the bot 

message: Once we make the 0.5 set nominations page official, we should point willing Projects (even ones that have bot lists) in that general direction. Nifboy 07:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent idea! Walkerma 04:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A reminder for future Project contacts 

message: Please contact us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Community#Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project. We could use some help with assessment and assessment tools if anyone has the time. Thanks in advance! • CQ 22:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Community 

message: WikiProject Sociology is diving in. I think I have everything set up. See :Category:WikiProject Sociology and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Sociology articles by quality. So far, no word from the bot. We're using  on the Sociology (GA) article along with some token articles: List of sociology topics (our worklist), Role (we have one, ya know) and a new stub Affinity (sociology), which is what wikipedia ought to be all about. 
I put WikiProject Sociology on the "Big list" under "Humanities" creating a "Sociology" heading and moved Wikipedia:WikiProject Community undernieth it since it is a "child" project. Let me know if I screwed things up. • CQ 09:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At a cursory glance it looks OK. The bot ran on The Beatles categories at 05:07, and your category was created at 05:21. I guess you missed today's run. Check tommorow and if you haven't heard from the bot please report back here - Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index - which is where the bot creator hangs out and technical issues are discussed. --kingboyk 10:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index is where the bot hangs out. The bot creator hangs out wherever he pleases. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the less said about where you hang out the better, Oleg? :P --kingboyk 16:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks a heap, Kingboyk. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology#Tools. We're looking forward to working with you. • CQ 14:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Sociology articles by quality - looks like you're in business! Welcome aboard. --kingboyk 22:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About the hierarchy -- sociology is not part of the humanities, it is a social science. Maurreen 17:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've seen at places like Talk:Humanities, I think that depends on your location.  I think in French & German traditions sociology is included, that's why we need to resolve the Worldwide View issue at Humanities. Walkerma 23:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, you're right, I was more explaining than defending the situation but I didn't make that clear.  I realise now that the humanities listing is in fact now obsolete (in theory).  Once I get time to reorganise those pages, I'll be putting it under "Social sciences and society". Walkerma 01:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Sociology 

message: I created :Category:Wikipedia geography work groups and did some sorting of the general wikiprojects page (for WP). Also, when anyone is ready to do more with this subject, we can reactivate Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Geography. Maurreen 20:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography and places

message: I've just created Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia and apparently, I'm using the WP:1.0 program to count the articles "automatically" (for the ratings). My question is, is the data updated automatically or manually? Because I've put Indonesia article a rating but it hasn't showed up on the statistics. I've made the project page of
* Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Indonesia_articles_by_quality
* Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Indonesia_articles_by_quality_statistics
Am I doing the right thing? Since I just ripped of WikiProject Australia and WikiProject India's concept. Any help would be highly appreciated, cheers -- Imoeng 02:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bot runs once in 24 hours. I speeded up Indonesia a bit today, but in the future you should expect the update to pop up at any time between now and two-three hours later. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Version 1.0 for [[WP:INA|Indonesian WikiProject]]

message: I just finished creating the banner and categories for rating Lithuania-related articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania/Assessment. What should I do next? Renata 16:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Start tagging things, presumably? ;-) Kirill Lokshin 16:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, looks like you're pretty much good to go - you don't have categories for all the article classes yet, but you have enough for the bot to find you. I'd advise tagging and assessing a few articles and take it from there. --kingboyk 16:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the bot will auto-include our categories, right? Or should I sign up somewhere? Renata 17:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  Lituania is in now, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Lithuania articles by quality. The bot will run in normal mode at its usual time tonight (10 hours from now). If you tag more articles in the meantime, they will get added to the list. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome! Of course, a lot more article will be tagged in the near future. But for now I have another question: I did comments not in a separate sub-page, but as a parameter in the banner. Should I re-do it? Or could something be done so that the comments are read atomatically? Renata 17:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want them included in the generated worklists, they'll need to be on a separate subpage.  If you just need them on the talk page, though, your method is probably simpler. Kirill Lokshin 17:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Lithuania

message: You folks might be interested in WP:COUNCIL, whose purpose is to help in the creation, coordination and management of Wikipedia's WikiProjects... Titoxd(?!?) 20:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]] 

message: I just fired up the Assessment department for WikiProject Organized Labour. Hopefully I've covered everything, but if anyone wants to take a second look it would be appreciated. I've taged a few articles, and I'll keep an eye on things for couple days. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 20:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that! I see the bot has picked up the project, so let's keep our fingers crossed. Walkerma 03:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Organized Labour 

message: I have done all the instructions required to get these projects using the assessment scale, but the statistics aren't coming up. What's wrong? ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed the Blackadder categories- perhaps you can copy what I did.  You need to put all of the XX-Class Star Wars articles into a category called :Category:Star Wars articles by quality, then place that category into :Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments.  The bot should then pick up all the assessments tonight. Walkerma 16:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Star Wars and WikiProject Blackadder

message: I am an editor with WikiProject Comics, and we'd like to put an assessment team together like many of the other projects whose work is part of this. I am a little overwhelmed, however, by the information, and I can't anything on how to get started. Can someone point me in the right direction for this? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to set up a bot-generated list, see Using/setting up the bot; that's the primary thing going on here. If you want the bot set up for you, just ask. Nifboy 21:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There's a bit of useful material here as well. Kirill Lokshin 21:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help in putting an assessment team together 

message: Hi, i've just made a banner at  and set up the appropriate categories (i hope) for the Space exploration WikiProject. is there anything more that needs to be done? Mlm42 17:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, ironically I was out at a talk on the Stardust (spacecraft) mission!  I took a quick look at your setup and everything looks fine.  Just check that this project shows up on the main list tonight (probably about midnight EST).  Thanks for getting this subject area reactivated, I know the WikiProjects have been pretty quiet lately, yet there should be a lot of interesting articles for you to work on.  Thanks also for using the bot. Walkerma 02:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Space exploration 

message: Hi, I'm here representing Wikiproject Paranormal. I just set us up our own assessment department, so I wanted to give you guys a 'heads-up' in case you needed anything from us now. --InShaneee 18:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Paranormal_articles_by_quality_log looks pretty active, so I think everything is working fine.  Just check that the assessments come out the way you planned.  Thanks for using the bot! Walkerma 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:PARA|WikiProject Paranormal]]