Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Archive 2

message: Many, many DYKs later. I just wanted to remind my friends at NRHP about this. Oh how I covet it, oh how indeed. ; ) A mcmurray 17:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmm 

message: The Project has a new task force, Task Force Registered Historic Districts went live this afternoon. Check it out, join if you want, and add the cool new userbox to you user page, if you want. : ) As for the above, yes, it was shameless. ; ) A mcmurray 23:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Task Force 

message: DeKalb County Courthouse and University of Illinois Observatory are currently good article nominees. If you haven't contributed significantly to the articles (everyone but me) feel free to evaluate it based on the six good article criteria, just follow the instructions on the good article candidates page.A mcmurray 13:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nominations 

message: I've looked through Wikipedia:Requested articles and I've found a few requests that are on the National Register.  There's one or two at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences#Architecture.2C_buildings.2C_city_planning_and_public_space, a few at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social sciences and philosophy#Geography.2C_cities.2C_regions_and_named_places, and several at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social sciences and philosophy#Historic_places.  If anyone is looking for something to do, these requests might be worth investigating.  --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 05:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested articles 

message: Watch the Main Project page for a new Collaboration Division of the project. The intent being to bring nominated article up to GA class or better. Coming soon to a WikiProject near you. IvoShandor 10:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Soon 

message: Dogears proposed an idea that's been rattling around in my head for a bit too; a Portal for the project. To that end, I've created a sandbox, PortalNRHP. Try out different ideas and such. When we have something presentable, we can move it to the mainspace. Oh, and a name for it. Possible ideas:
* Portal:U.S. Historic preservation
* Portal:U.S. Historic Places
* Portal:U.S. Registered Historic Places
* Portal:U.S. Cultural heritage
::I say Portal:U.S. Registered Historic Places: It is the most descriptive title. IvoShandor 09:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our own Portal? 

message: A WikiProject Award for this project has been proposed. As the project does not appear to have yet been notified, in order for the image to be improved an eventually selected, members of the projected are invited to comment on the proposal at Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals#WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Award proposal. Laïka 16:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a nice image and good idea. People should come out and support this. We also need to figure out who is really still active in this project as well as archive this talk page, I think there is a bot that will do it. IvoShandor 22:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Award 

message: I have recently finished a major overhaul of the Mackinac Island article, rated as B-class by this project. The history section has been greatly expanded and it now includes sections on historic places and architecture. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mackinac Island 

message: Hello. Your recent proposal for a new award for your WikiProject has passed. The discussion has been archived and the award added to the awards page here. Congratulations!
Things you can do:
# Create a template for the award to make it easier to use. Please see other templates for a style guide.
# Tag any images used in the award with :Category:Wikipedia awards.
# Tag any templates used in the award with :Category:Award templates
# Place the award on your project page so people know you have an award.
# Start giving it out to users!
Regards, Smomo 22:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention: your award proposal has passed. 

message: IvoShandor 06:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NRHP collaboration 

message: Check out the new WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Frank Lloyd Wright Collaboration. An effort to expand Wikipedia's coverage of Registered Historic Places designed by this most important architect. 
To join the collaboration or help out you can visit the collaboration subpage or the collaboration talk page.	
		
IvoShandor 10:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project division 

message: A couple project related GA noms. Ogle County Courthouse and Historic district (United States); one of our main articles, a fair number of project articles link to this one so it would be great to get it to GA and beyond. If it passes here I already have some expansion ideas for it's ride to FAC. IvoShandor 11:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Beyond that, I have made sure that local historic district and Registered Historic District redirect correctly. Use them, it's awesomeness. IvoShandor 09:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funky, fresh and new 

message: User:Ebyabe and I have been kind of talking about A class articles. A couple of weeks ago I started toying with the idea in my sandbox of A Class reviews and noms here at our project.
So far I have a short version of our A class criteria (which needs input, support and consensus before it becomes part of the project see it here:User:IvoShandor/Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/A-class criteria.
Also I have a draft version of our A-Class review page, just the basics so far, see it here: User:IvoShandor/Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/A class review
Input, please.
IvoShandor 14:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A class 

message: The people from WP:WPChi hope to make this article a featured list, but it's got a pretty huge amount of redlinks. Since I suspect most, if not all of these are on the register (almost all those that do have articles are), maybe the members of this project might want to help them? Circeus 18:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try this website: nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com. Its not the offical .gov website, but its easier to navigate and gives some background info on places on the register. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 19:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The HAARGIS Database from the IHPA is much better. It provides digitized copy of the National Register nomination form for almost every listing in Illinois, can search by county or city. IvoShandor 19:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chicago Landmark]] 

message: I borrowed some code that I can't get to work at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/COTW/Good_Articles#DYKs_and_GAs.  Is there a way to change the proportionality of the widths? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code 

message: I have given our recently approved, official project award a template, see it: Template:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Award or use it . Wow, we are, like  a really real project. : )
IvoShandor 13:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project award 

message: If anyone is interested in helping me bring Chicago Theatre to the WP:GA standards at WP:WIAGA please see the comments on its failed GA Review at its talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago Theatre 

message: We need to be careful about creating too many stubs.  Just look at all the different stub articles elated to Sycamore Historic District.  Almost all the other articles in the category are stubs which could just be consolidated into the main article.  I once had Salem Downtown Historic District and four individual buildings that were separately part of the NRHP each have their own article.  I recently realized that there was little chance of each being a worthy article on its own, so I consolidated 3 of the 4 independent articles back into the District's article.--Bedford 06:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan to consolidate most of the houses into a page, Houses in Sycamore Historic District or the like. I have just been busy in other areas lately. Some of them have sufficient information, or could, to be separate though. IvoShandor 06:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As for individual listings, there is always enough material available to make a decent article out of, you just have to know where to look, which is not always on the Internet. : ) IvoShandor 06:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic Districts 

message: Soon after the clock strikes midnight (UTC) tonight I will update the WP:CHICOTW.  This weeks project is a stubification drive that should benefit WP:WPChi, WP:Illinois, WP:NRHP and WP:WPARCH.  This week we will be creating stubs for Chicago Landmark which includes about 230 Chicago Landmarks and about a dozen National Historic Landmarks that are not Chicago Landmarks.  Only about 25% of the Chicago Landmarks have articles.  In order to pursue a WP:FL we need to get at 50-60%.  This week I posted stubification instructions  Yesterday, I created Old Colony Building (Chicago), Fisher Building (Chicago), McGraw-Hill Building (Chicago), & Victory Monument (Chicago).  These were pages that I had earlier discovered had some ambiguities (which you can see by the parenthetical names).  These are all examples of what the most basic Chicago Landmark :Category:Stub-Class Chicago articles should look like.  Stubs can look better than this, but I hope each page will at least look like these.  If you get adventurous you may also attempt to add , , and some images and take the article to :Category:Start-Class Chicago articles.  I will be adding such infoboxes in the coming weeks.  We would appreciate any assistance you may be able to lend in the stubification drive.  If you stumble upon something interesting nominate it for WP:CHICOTW by naming it with a 25 word or less explanation of its import here.  Also, list all newly created articles from the stubification drive here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago#Newly_Created_Chicago_Related_Pages. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:WPChi Collaboration notice 

message: There's a debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deal-Mendenhall Hall regarding whether that article and Roe A. and Louise R. Deal House should be deleted.  The articles at the time of the AFD submission were just a direct copy/paste from nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, or whatever that commercial site was.
I started editing those articles a bit, using the standard infobox and the  notice, but I'm having trouble finding additional documentation for those two houses individually.  They're covered by this Multiple Property Submission for Springville, Utah, which lays out the criteria for determining which houses were eligible for inclusion.  The document describes a lot of detail about the historic context of the houses and other buildings within the city, but there are few resources that I can find that say anything substantial about individual buildings.
With that in mind, is it even likely to continue expansion of these two articles beyond their stubby stubbishness, or would it be more worthwhile to write a new article about the multiple-property submission?  I did the latter in the case of Cuyuna Iron Range Municipally-Owned Elevated Metal Water Tanks, since they're all thematically related, but I don't know if that would really apply in the case of this article.  I'm interested in what others think.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they all have individual nom forms too, there's one source, might have to go to a Utah library but it's out there. People rely on Google too much and delete shit just because of it. IvoShandor 22:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject of the AFDs were cleaned up (hold your applause ; ) ) and survived the attempted destruction. IvoShandor 08:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD for [[Deal-Mendenhall Hall]]; documenting MPS versus individual structures 

message: There are several sources to obtain copies of nomination forms for listed properties: The NRHP office in DC (NB: there is a limit of two nomination forms at a time - they use interns to make copies); the NRIS has PDFs of the MPS forms; and the individual SHPO offices and archaeological database clearinghouses. Einbierbitte 19:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some SHPO's already have access available online, Illinois and New York are two of those I know of. The ultimate goal of the NRIS seems to be digitization of all NRHP records, a long and unwieldy process I am sure. Many local libraries hold the forms for local listings and larger libraries sometimes have many of the state's listed places nom forms available as well. IvoShandor 08:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obtaining Nomination/Registration forms for listed properties 

message: Let me make a bold suggestion... based on the debate above. I think you should change your template so that it says "This place is recognised by National Register ..... therefore the importance of this article should be considered as "mid" or "high" unless there is evidence to the contrary."
Or something like that. The UK has a similar set of listings for architecture. You could also agree that a level 1 building in the UK was of "high" importance whilst grade 2's were mid. Victuallers 12:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above, we don't actually use the importance parameter. IvoShandor 17:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must thank you for the reply. I suspected we may only have time to deal with this one school. I think you need to reconsider your policy. My reasoning is that there are thousands of important places. We have just discussed one school and its taken days to get a good (but incomplete) answer. I think that you could assist fellow projects by negotiating notability for thousands of articles at a stroke. Would it be 100% accurate ... no, but there are thousands of articles. Anyway its only a suggestion. I do thank you for your time and patience and assistance with this particular article. Victuallers 19:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Being Bold

message: I found a number of train stations listed on the National Register of Historic Places and I'd like to be able to create maps for them, but I don't have the exact coordiantes. Would it be alright if I just posted blank ones, so that the rest of you can fill in the dots and other info where they're needed? ---- DanTD 14:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be fine, I should think. Could you also maybe leave a note here when you've done some, so we can tag them on their talk pages for the project? Or if you can do it, that would be even more super, but creating the articles is more than helpful enough as it is. :) -Ebyabe 19:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're suggesting I post the link to each article every time, okay I can do that. Chances are, though, they're already written, so I don't have to create the articles. ---- DanTD 22:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did one for the Great Northern Passenger Depot in Rugby, North Dakota. ---- DanTD 22:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Terrif! Thanks. :) --Ebyabe 23:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. I also did it for Sebring (Amtrak station), which should be merged with Old Sebring Seaboard Air Line Depot, and I'm going to do it for some stations in New York State as well. ---- DanTD 12:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just made NRHP maps for East Hampton Railroad Station, Fort Edward D&H Train Station, Greenport Railroad Station, and Plattsburgh, New York's D & H Railroad Complex. And when I create articles for stations in Farmingdale, New York, and Sea Cliff, New York, I'm going to add those there too, along with the LIRR infoboxes. ---- DanTD 12:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps for train stations under NRHP 

message: I've just added more NRHP maps & infoboxes with no coordinates or red dots and limited information to the following railroad stations; Dowagiac (Amtrak station), Niles (Amtrak station), Pascagoula (Amtrak station), Farmingdale (LIRR station), and Sea Cliff (LIRR station). Now who wants to fix them? ---- DanTD 22:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Railroad Stations with NRHP maps & infoboxes 

message: I know you don't see much of me around here, but I'm with you in spirit. Anyway, your friends at WikiProject Oregon would like to get the Waller Hall article up to GA status, if anyone would like to take a look. Or feel free to tell me to shove off and nominate the article on the collaboration page. ;) Its claim to fame is that it is the oldest university building west of the Mississippi still in use in the United States. Thanks! Katr67 22:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with an article? 

message: I'm undertaking a reformat and expansion of List of National Historic Landmarks by state, and would like to gather some opinions. I've outlined what's going on at its talk page. Please have a look, and any comments or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.  Ipoellet 02:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of National Historic Landmarks by state 

message: Almost as soon as this article was written, it was tagged for deletion. Anyone ready to fight to save this one? Einbierbitte 17:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD [[Abbeville Opera House]] 

message: Now here's a question. Are the photos and slides that are held by the National Register of Historic Places public domain or no? The HAARGIS Database in Illinois has quite a few online. IvoShandor 07:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, they are. The person nonimating the property generally takes the pictures and are sent with the nonination. They become part of the public record. Einbierbitte 18:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Hello again. WikiProject Oregon is back and we're getting ready to put Oregon State Capitol up for FA review. The backbone of the article is pretty much complete, we think, though there are some bits of information we would still like to add. If anyone would like to give a critique it would be most welcome. Let WP:NHRP share in the FA glory! I've been comparing the article to the only other FA capitol, Michigan State Capitol and I think it compares favorably. As a side note, there is the question of the 158 names of historic people that are painted in the house and senate chambers. I'm wondering if linking to a list of the names would be encyclopedic or afd survivable. An example of the list is on one of my subpages: User talk:Katr67/List of Capitol names/Temp--please disregard the Liberty Ship stuff and other comments, they are for my personal use and wouldn't be part of the final article/list. Also, if we decide to include the list, what should it be named? Thanks for your help! Latr, Katr 15:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We're talkin' FA on [[Oregon State Capitol]] 

message: I'm working on some articles for Ohio / Cincinnati area history, but I'm pretty new to Wikipedia.  Here is my first attempt at a NRHP article, please take a look and give me some feedback.  Thanks. pw 01:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mount Auburn Historic District]] 

message: I went through the state and territory lists and checked the blue links. Some actually work! I tagged the articles with the category and the NRHP WikiProject tag - in case you wondered how over 1,000 new unassessed articles appeared. I also added other WikiProject tags (at least the ones I know) to those as well. I tried to disambiguate some of the links, but not all (so many Lincoln Schools and St. John Churches!). I also checked some of the more obvious (though not all) of the red links and fixed those, as well. Einbierbitte 17:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagged and tagged 

message: I have rated Historic house museums as Bad on the assessment scale. It needs serious help from some of the dedicated members here. Trim it, move it, rewrite it, reference it, do what you can. This article is a shame to Wikipedia. Thanks IvoShandor 10:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad article 

message: Oregon State Capitol that is part of this WP is up for Featured Article class. If you would like to participate in the process, please see the article talk page. Aboutmovies 03:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC 

message: I finished a run through Hamilton County, Ohio with my bot.  If anyone wants to take a look and make some suggestions before I start up on more, feel free. pw 13:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:NrhpBot|NrhpBot]] 

message: I went through the Recent Listings (http://www/cr.nps.gov/nr/nrlist.htm) up to June 29, 2007. Everything is now up to that date. I made note of it on all the state listings (except FL, IL, OR and WV) with the following notation: This list is complete as of the Recent Listings dated June 29, 2007. That way we know where I stopped - now it's just an easy step to continue from where I left off. Please make changes to the new dates when someone adds to the state lists. The NRIS will catch up in a couple of months. NB: many of the misspellings that occur in the NRIS originate with this Recent Listings list - also wrong counties. I even found they misspelled "cemetery"! As I was updating the state listings I did some clean ups and copy edits. I fixed most of New Jersey and tried to fix some of the inversions (XXX, The) (XXX, Old) and last-name-first to first-name-first in the other states' listings as well. Einbierbitte 22:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woo Hoo!  Thanks for this hard work.  I'll resort some of the NY County ones tomorrow. dm 05:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All up to date