Talk:Mircea the Elder

message: How about Mircea the Elder instead of Mircea the Ancient? Ancient would rather translate to din båtrâni... Just a suggestion...
The script on Mircea's image seems to be written in Cyrillic (probably Bulgarian). Did he have Bulgarian or Polish or Russian anscestry or something?
: It's probably Romanian, just written in Cyrillic. I'm not sure when the alphabet changed to the Latin one. I can't say for sure, because I can't read Cyrillic.(the first two letters are Mi though :)
the ancient documents were writen in Cyrillic , due to the slavic influence
the romanians beeing sorrounded by cyrillic writing they borrowed it into their documents, but if you know cyrillic and you read carefully , you will see that you're actually speaking romanian , the pronunciation is the same as modern day romanian , only using an older version of letters.
remarckable isn'it ?
It's strange. There is no mention in the article about Ungrovlahia.
In fact he calls his country Ungrovlahia:
"Eu, Io Mircea mare voievod şi domn singur stăpânitor a toată ţara Ungrovlahiei şi al părţilor de peste munţi, încă şi spre părţile tătăreşti şi herţeg al Amlaşului şi Făgăraşului şi domn al Banatului Severinului şi de amândouă părţile peste toată Podunavia , încă până la Marea cea Mare şi singur stăpânitor al cetăţii Dârstor.", we read in his command to Tismana at 23 november 1406.  
An other thing I quote from the article:
"He maintained close relations with Sigismund of Luxembourg, the king of Hungary, relying on their common interest in the struggle against Ottoman expansion."
In fact, Mircea the Elder was a vassal of Sigimund of Luxembourg, the king of Hungary. The word "Ungro" in the name of the country is a clear and undeniable evidence for that.Zmiklos 22:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mircea

message: Why was this moved? What other Mircea cel Batran could he be confused with? Adam Bishop 04:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: According to WP:MOS, "reigned" should probably be changed to "fl." Thoughts? — † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 20:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reigned" 

message: This is the situation of Mircea cel Bătrân's possesions over the yearsP. P. Panaitescu, Mircea cel Bătrân, IInd edition, Bucharest, 2000:
* Banatul de Severin (Banat of Severin):
*Amlaş and Făgăraş Duchies: Mircea was herţeg of Amlaş and Făgăraş. These feuds were donated by the Hungarian king to Wallachian voivodes in exchage of senior - vassal relations between the two countries. First time, these duchies were donated in 1366, by Louie the Great to Vladislav Vlaicu. However, in 1374 he was not ruling over them any moreP. P. Panaitescu, p. 232. Only around 1389 will Mircea regain them back.
** Amlaş: Its borders were established in 1366, as a royal domain. In a document from 1383, Amlaş was including the following "Romanian villages": Grassdorf (Sălişte), Galusdorf (Galeş), Graplundorf (Valea), Budinbach (Sibiel), Kripzbach (Cacova) and the Amlaş Castle all over to the mountains (tendit usque ad Alpes). Moreover, in the same document, the borders of Amlaş are established once more: Berch mountain, Aplodul de Sus, Hepisch river, Amlaş river, Firtysdorf (nowadays disappeard), Wecherd river, Saporcha (Topârcea), Nykusberg mountain, Chirna voda, Feketeviz village (Săcele), Chirvod Olachorul river, Kisyrval river, "semita Olachorum", Tysgrad, Budenbach river and Varalya village (Orlat). Thus, the Amlaş Duchy is surrounded by Transylvania, with no direct link to WallachiaP. P. Panaitescu, p. 242.
** Făgăraş: The borders of Făgăraş Duchy were established considering 12 romanian documents concerning this land, from Mircea's time. The northen border was on the Olt river (Mircea: Domn of Făgăraş Land, up to Olt river) and the southern one was the same with Wallachia's, thus Făgăraş being directly linked with the Romanian principality. The westernmost village mentioned in any of these documents is Scoreci, but Panaitescu does not exclude the posibility that Porumbacu was also part of this feud (according to the old borders of Terra Blacorum - Ţara Românească/Ţara Oltului). As for the eastern border, only three villages are mentioned: Cuciulata, Dopca and Fântâna. Panaitescu supposed that the border followed the mountains peak. Although one near another, the roads (merely some paths) between Wallachia and Făgăraş Land were suitable only for mountain horses, not carriages or comercial caravans. Panaitescu supposed that couriers, merchandisers and soldiers were allowed to pass trough Transylvania on their way to the duchyP. P. Panaitescu, p. 241.
* Bran Castle: Sigismund de Luxemburg donated the Bran Castle to Mircea in 1395 (some say 1406 or 1412-1413) and took it back on June 7, 1419, following many protests of Braşov's inhabitants against Wallachian guards of the castleP.P. Panaitescu, p. 248.
* Border with Moldavia:
* Părţile Tătărăşti:
* Terra Dobroticii:
References
:: So what's the problem exactly?Anonimu 17:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Borders from Moldova they are wrong, according to P.P. Panaitescu, Dinu C. Giurescu etc. I want to detail about the years of reign over these provences. Just give me time--Alex:Dan 18:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mircea's posessions

message: I'm the original author of the article, back in 2003. I wrote the final paragraph, which has survived and now contains two "original research" notes. What do I have to do to clarify things and remove them? --Gutza T T+ 20:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research notes 

message: I had trouble finding this page because I've always known him as "Mircea the Great". Isn't that a more suitable name? --Tefalstar (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is anyone opposed to moving him to "the Great"? --Tefalstar (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.--Vojvodaen (talk) 09:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that is better to call this article Mircea I the Great.--Vojvodaeist 17:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great? 

message: I removed the birthyear 1386 (the same as the start of his reign). He couldnt have been born 1486 if his son Vlad II Dracul was born 1490). Vints (talk) 22:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Born 1355 according to Romanian wp. Vints (talk) 22:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year 

message: It seems that Mircea was not at all present at the Battle of Kosovo (1389), but his mention is a result of confusing or synthesization of Prince Marko and the Battle of Rovine (1395) in later chronicles.
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As per this, the entry of his participation in the Battle of Kosovo should be removed until fully clarified.--Zoupan 10:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you believe that Noel Malcolm, an Albanologist, is more "serious for this topic"?--Zoupan 10:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ^Robert Elsie.--Zoupan 10:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Elsie is not an Albanian. He says Balsha and Millosh Kopili were Serbs.Asxetyoeir (talk) 10:46, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What does the Balšić noble family and Miloš Obilić have to do with this issue? The Turkish chronicles exaggerated the "Christian army" of Lazar. This is a fact.--Zoupan 11:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Kosovo 

message: It should be Mircea the Older, not the Elder. Elder is the spiritual office an old person in church.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.122.251.101 (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This name is wrong