Talk:Tiberias

message: Whydid Herod change the spelling of the Latin name from "Tiberius" to "Tiberias"?Kuralyov 19:18, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Can we please have a map for this article?  Badagnani 22:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Regarding this recent entry:
:On July 15 2006, Tiberias was struck by Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah from southern Lebanon. A total of 12 people were injured. To create maximum damage, the rockets contained flesh-tearing ball bearings. Prior to the July 15 attack, Tiberias was thought to have been out of range of Katyushas launched from southern Lebanon. On July 17, Tiberias again was hit by Katyushas. On July 20, two rockets hit an area just outside Tiberias. On July 25, rockets were reported in Tiberias, landing in open areas of the city. No casualties were reported from either attack. Until the Hezbollah attacks, there had been no assaults on the town since the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
I'm not sure it is appropriate to list current events of the ongoing war in a general encyclopedia article. We don't do that for past wars. Such material quickly becomes dated, in particular as the war is on-going. The correct place for these kind of ongoing incidents would be 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict and its related articles. -- Stbalbach 13:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing war incidents 

message: I just made a small change towards the end of the article, regarding the claim that a "sanhedrin" was reestablished in Tiberias. Basically, there is no evidence that this body would qualify as a real Sanhedrin and the matter has stirred significant controversy in Orthodox circles, including the refusal of the Haredi leadership to support this body. That is why the claim that "a Sanhedrin was officially reestablished in Tiberias" could be misleading and needed some editting. For more on this topic see Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Danezra 1:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agreed. (Slightly edited your comment for readability.) --Daniel575 | (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Change 

message: In the late 70's and early 80's I used to be part of the UNIFIL, and our backoffice was in Allentown Ave in Tiberias. There is a playground there ("Allentown park") with a plaque that says in Hebrew and English that the park is named after the sister city in the US. So... I saw that plaque no later than 1982, it's impossible to say that allentown is sister to Tiberias since 1996. 99.232.203.75 (talk) 05:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allentown - not 1996 

message: The main problem with this article at the moment is that the historical account is focused mostly on the Jewish history, but Tiberias was a mixed city for many centuries.  Here are some random population figures, I can add full cites when they get into the article:
* 1596: 50 families and 4 bachelors, all Muslim.  (Hütteroth p188)
* 1868: 400 Jewish households, 159 Muslim households, 66 Greek Orthodox households (McCarthy, p47)
* 1922: 4427 Jews, 2096 Muslims, 422 Christians, 5 others (census)
* 1931: 5381 Jews, 2645 Muslims, 565 Christians, 10 others (census)
* 1945 : 6000 Jews, 4540 Muslims, 760 Christians, 10 Others. (Village Statistics)
Zerotalk 12:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Arabs were trying to kill the Jews aswell? Chesdovi (talk) 13:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  And you omitted the previous sentence that speaks of Arabs and Jews shooting at each other why, exactly? Zerotalk 03:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article bias 

message: Where can one find an explanation regarding the medieval hadith which counts Tiberias as one of Islam's city's of hell? (besides from that of Moshe Gil: "of non-Muslim population is reflected in a hadith according to which it is one of the four cities of hell") Chesdovi (talk) 11:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a nice solid reference for you: --Geewhiz (talk) 11:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

text: There are no cities literally in Islamic hell as far as I am aware. Some writer in the early medieval period described "four cities of paradise" and "four cities of hell". The former were Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem and Damascus. The latter were Rome, Constantinople, Antioch and San'a in one version, and Constantinople, Tiberias, Antioch and San'a in another. It is just the same as when someone today calls some place a "city from hell" (search Google for thousands of examples), it means the writer hated the place. Calling it part of the Islamic tradition is too strong and not supported by the source. You know there are many tens of thousands of hadiths, most of them entirely forgotten. It is not mentioned in the Encyclopedia of Islam article on Tiberias (nor in the article on hell), nor is it mentioned in any of Guy le Strange's translations of medieval Arabic descriptions of Tiberias. I can agree to it appearing later in the article when the medieval history is given, in some form like this: "A hadith published in Damascus in 1176 said that "the four cities of paradise are Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem and Damascus and the four cities of hell are Constantinople, Tiberias, Antioch and San'a." Ok? Note that this source prefixes the information with "The only outright negative comments found in our sources are repetitions of earlier traditions which point to the city's wretchedness" (nb, not to its evil in the religious sense). Zerotalk 11:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

text: The city has been the subject of negative undertones in Islamic tradition. A hadith recorded by Ibn Asakir of Damascus (d. 1176) names Tiberias as one of Islam’s four cities of hell. This could have been reflecting the fact that at the time, the town had a notable non-Muslim population. 
Chesdovi (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't like "Islam's four cities of hell" since it sounds like an official classification rather than just a negative opinion.  I'll agree to "the four cities of hell", including the quotation marks. Zerotalk 12:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Zero and Gila, you have both been wonderful this afternoon. Keep up the good work. Chesdovi (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Hell 

message: Travel guides are notoriously inaccurate as sources of history.  This article contains 13 references to [Winter, Dave (1999) Israel Handbook: With the Palestinian Authority Areas Footprint Travel Guides].  Most seem correct, but replacing them by citations to history books would be better.  An example of a serious error is this: "That year [1740 apparently], the Pasha of Damascus launched a raid against Tiberias. The siege lasted 85 days, ending in the capture of the city." In fact the siege was in 1742 and ended with the attackers giving up and going home.  Probably there is confusion with the surrender of Tiberias to Damascus in 1776.  I will fix this and add more details as I find time. Zerotalk 12:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  travel guides as sources 

message: tiberias are city that estublished in the roman empire(and named after the name of roman emperor)and populated mainly by jews in the begining.the arabs came much later after the islamist conquests in the area,the arabic are relevant just because its dominance in the area after the oppression of other languages and cultures.so the latin and greek names are much more relevant from the arabic her.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.220.209 (talk) 17:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  you should remove the "arabic name" and put the greek or latin name instead 

message: The article had, unsourced, "On June 28, 1938, in an event that shocked the Yishuv, an Arab infiltrated a Jewish wedding and set off a bomb that killed seven Jews, including three children."  There was no such event.  The probable source of the story can be seen in the Palestine Post of July 1, which says "Yesterday a bomb was thrown into a hotel in Tiberias where a wedding was in progress, injuring seven Jews, one of them, a boy, seriously." In the newspapers of those days, bombings and shootings were commonplace. Zerotalk 23:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  nonexistent event 

message: The section "Demographic history" removes all data from, say from early Ottoman time. So now the only History under the early Ottoman time is....Jewish! Even though the daftars showed that no Jews actually lived in Tiberias at that time! 
This is completely wrong. Also: very few articles have a "Demographic history" -section (it has been made during this last year). Unless I hear a good argument against it, I will re-introduce the demography  into the appropriate sections. Huldra (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it is collected into one place or distributed by time period doesn't matter, provided the data is there and is neutrally written (unlike now).  So whichever format you think will work best is fine with me. Zerotalk 05:37, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographic history 

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message: If one goes to the Wikipedia homepage and types in "Tiberias", the link that appears with the photo is captioned "Tiberias city in northeast palestine".  I am not familiar with where that entry is logged for purposes of correction, but would request that it be corrected.One-Off Contributor (talk) 05:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: Avraham Avigdorov (1929–2012) was born at Mitzpa, not Tiberias, studied at Mikveh Israel, is buried in Herzliya. What is his connection to Tiberias? Did his family/his mother move there from Mitzpa, or did he go to school there? Arminden (talk) 23:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Arminden, I am not aware whether Avigdorov ever lived in Tiberias, but probably not. —Ynhockey (Talk) 19:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the confusion comes from the fact that Mitzpa, the moshav (village) where he was born and raised, is very close or nearby Tiberias. Maybe it is so close that it is sometimes considered a neighborhood of the larger city? I don't know if that would entitle him to appear on the list... warshy (¥¥) 19:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to get to Mitzpe you need to drive up along the outskirts of Upper Tiberias (not even through it, but north of it), then there's a valley and there is Mitzpe, quite isolated and clearly distinct from Tiberias. I understand that Avigdorov lost his father when he was seven or so, maybe his mom and him moved to Tiberias, or maybe he went there to study in high school, as the moshava certainly doesn't have more than a primary school at the most. Also, at the time of his birth and many years after that, the Scottish Hospital had the only maternity ward in the whole county, so it might well be that technically he was born in Tiberias like every other baby in his generation, save for home births. The Palmach website also has Tiberias as his birthplace, but I wouldn't trust that too much. So far, I tend to think that we have no base to have him, with photo, on the Tiberias page. The anonymous editor is probably a local patriot who added the pictures of a pretty model/actress and of a young Jimmy Dean-like war hero to the article. Can't blame him/her, but it's not the municipality's advertisement page, so... Arminden (talk) 11:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Avigdorov's connection to Tiberias? 

message: I have split "Notable people" into
* Historical figures predating the State of Israel, listed by year of birth
and
* People of prominence in the State of Israel or born/active there, listed alphabetically.
It makes little sense to mix Israeli sportspeople and politicians with clear surnames, with historical figures predating the state by more than a millennium or several centuries, who also don't have surnames and whose names are transliterated in many different ways. Arminden (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Thank you for doing this. warshy (¥¥) 19:02, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people: organising the list 

message: Obviously Tiberias was not built in 1 day. Some sources say 18 AD ome say 20 AD,
so it should really say 18-20 AD. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding date

message: Tiberias simply has a very hot semi arid climate. It is far from a Mediterranean climate. The evaporation is very strong there.  דולב חולב (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Evapotranspiration more accurately  דולב חולב (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Winter rainfall is heavy enough to nearly qualify for Csa, barely missing the mark. Uness232 (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate classification