Talk:Racial transformation

message: Ok, now the page has been moved a second time, and I've fixed the redirects to transracial and Transracial transformation so that they all point here.  So now hopefully most people are happy.  If necessary, we can disambiguate Transracial to also include stuff like transracial adoption, if anyone creates an article on that.  (If so, just let me know on my talk page and I'll fix the necessary links.) --Idont Havaname 19:33, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page moved again!

message: I am in the process of transitioning to Black, and have already started tattooing my skin brown.  If I had the money, I would get surgeries to give me a flatter and broader nose, larger cheeks, and fuller lips. Breast and buttock implants may help.  One of the hardest aspects is changing the accent of my voice.  I have been at this for at least a year.  I would not mind somehow documenting my experiences, and I am willing to help with this project.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 19:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My transformation 

message: I added some information to the cosmetic sections. While it is arguable that whites may be looking for an ethnic appearance in tanning, it is really hard to apply duality to this matter (which looks like it being done). The reasons black people (especially in the Americas) have skin whitened as mentioned are for reasons of assimilation, changing racial identities, ect. The reasons whites are doing it (even if to look darker) rarely involves attempting to change their racial identity. Therefore, while they may be trying to alter their physical appearance, the intent of changing race or ethnicity generally isn't there.
:i totally agree. I wanted to had a text about it, but someone changed it.
:here is what I wanted to add:
::Some consider tanning as an attempt to attain an ethnic skin color. However, tanning is a natural process, especially for European peoples in summer (unlike skin whitening, which is unnatural). What is more, European people who are willing to get a tan are never trying to adopt other non-eureopean features such as black eyes and hair (unlike some non-European people who also want to get straight hair, use color lenses and sometimes even ressort to surgery to erase their ethnic features). What is more, it is not widely promoted in magazines (mainly for health reasons) unlike white transformation in minority magazines and media. It is more a seasonnable fashion, since European people are not willing to keep their tan all year long but merely keep their natural skin color after summer, unlike whitening creams users who ressort to lightening products all year long.
:I hope the person who removed it will come here and discuss, since I can perfectly explain it all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.167.84.2 (talk) 09:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Info 

message: Cleopatra was a North African. The US Census definition of white "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa". So, ancient Egyptians were white. Anyway, Cleopatra was of Greek descent, so even if ancient Egyptians weren't white, Greeks sure are, so Cleopatra was. So is having a "white actress" playing Cleopatra really a case of "racial transformation"? Of course, she probably had a Mediterranean appearance, and the actress who played her may have looked more Northern European — but is that a "racial" difference or a "subracial" difference? By at least some definitions of race, e.g. the US Government's definition, it was not a racial difference, just a subracial one. 60.225.114.230 (talk) 21:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cleopatra played by a white actress" 

message: The country of the Philippines is one of two examples I give on transracial identity: Filipinos are not east Asian, but are Asian by racial origins based on their presence in the Philippine Archipalego inhabited by Malayan peoples for thousands of years. The Philippines was also influenced and somewhat settled by later arrival European Spaniards for 450 years (1545-1898) and then came Anglo-Americans when the U.S. claimed the country from the Spanish-American war of 1899 to the end of World War II 1946. A good number of Filipinos have Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Mexican, other European, Anglo-American, Arab, Malaysian, Hindu-Indian ancestry and in miniscule numbers the Negritos (ethnoracial relatives of dark-skinned Australoid/Aborigines) whom predate the Tagalog and Malay-Filipino races. Some Filipinos are lighter-skinned than most and others appear less Asiatic (i.e. the commonly found inner eyefold), some with Spanish surnames and American first names, and finally the language itself is part Spanish and mixed with other languages they came in contact with, esp. the prevalence of American English. There are Filipinos of upper-class elites pass as "white" or "East Asian" who think of themselves higher than local brown-skinned persons with little or no Spanish/European/American ancestry, esp. when they immigrate to Spain and the US. There are a few but sizable minority who are Muslims practice the Islamic faith whom resisted Catholic conversion contacts under the Spaniards, and the Protestant missionaries from the United States, and have more cultural ties with Malaysia or Indonesia, esp. in Palawan facing Borneo and Mindanao in the farthest south of the Philippine archipalego. 71.102.21.238 (talk) 11:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipinos

message: A country identifies itself both European AND Amerindian, the majority of Chileans self-claim themselves as white Euro-Caucasian and have some deal of American Indian ancestry. In Latin America, they would be considered a "Castizo" society in contrast to their neighbors to the North (Peru is mostly Mestizo or 3/4th Amerindian, and Bolivia is overwhelmingly Amerindian), but across the Andes is Argentina plus Uruguay have a higher percentage of Caucasians than Chile does, therefore is not predominantly white. Upper-income Chileans are more likely to consider themselves white European, despite the evident indigenous ancestry and proud to be Chileans in an indigenous sense. The second example of transracialism makes the idea of race a more transfluid social construct, like Chileans living abroad may be "Latinos" or Latin Americans, but many identify with being "white" and more European oriented while they remain part of their native culture. The tendency for upper-class echolons in most Latin American countries to pass for white and want to become ethnoracially Caucasian is noticed, especially in Brazil where the saying goes "the Money makes people white, the lack of it makes people black" on white Brazilians are more prosperous and affluent, although the social definition of white and black in Brazil differs greatly from the USA. About half of Chile and Brazil as well are Caucasian, regardless if the person has any African and Amerindian ancestors, and the high rate of plastic surgery of upper-level people in Chile and South America to make them appear Germanic and/or Spanish is a sign of a society really desires to join the "western world". 71.102.21.238 (talk) 11:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chileans 

message: Racial transformation refers to change in demographic regions, people cannot change into different races.  There were no sources for the topic people attempting to look like people of another race.  If there are any reliable sources, then the topic of trying to make oneself look like another race may belong in Passing (racial identity) or as an article Trying to make oneself look like another race.  Racial transformation, however, has long been a notable topic how demographic regions change racially over time. --I am One of Many (talk) 07:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of whether an argument is to be had on the notability of the topic as it was before you changed it, changing the topic altogether because its terminology collides with a term with which you are familiar is highly unusual behaviour, and as executed, your overhaul ignored the article's entailment in the Body Modification project. There is plenty of precedent for articles explaining terms that are used in multiple contexts or otherwise; a dogmatic insistence that a term ought to mean only one thing is poor practice. We should put the stub you have made into the old article, or we should split and disambiguate them. Sceth (talk) 08:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The fundamental problem is that Racial transformation as developed in the original article is made up. There is not such thing as a person transforming into another race. I would be happy to move the original article to Trying to make oneself look like another race, however. I am One of Many (talk) 08:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial transformation 

message: AndrewHamsha (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: SSCI2831

message: I removed the merge tag that was recently added to the page. The reason I removed the tag is because the user who added it did not suggest where it should be merged. I'm happy to talk about some merge options but let's not restore the tag until we discuss. Meatsgains (talk) 00:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: This talk page needs to be merged into Ethnic plastic surgery, somehow it didn't get moved when the page did.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
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