Talk:Personal Jesus

message: the article states: 
"...the single was particularly successful commercially thanks to the fact that it was released six months prior to the album it would later appear on. Up to that point, it was best selling 12" single in Warner Brothers history. "
The "up to that point" comment is confussing to me as it seems to be a misquote from the allmusic article you quote.. I think you mean that it went on to become the biggest selling 12", not that it was and then, subseuqently, once the album came out, was no longer. There is a cause and effect in the statement that I don't think you mean. I also think it STILL is the best selling 12" in WB history. 
The All Music quote is 
"the EP release of "Personal Jesus" became the biggest selling 12" single in Warner Bros.' history up to that point." which has a different meaning from what the wiki article attests. But I am unsure what the author of the article meant so I will leave it to him or her to edit as they see fit. --Jackbox1971 00:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biggest selling 12" comment 

message: Does there really need to be such a lengthy section regarding the Marilyn Mansion cover?   This is suppose to be about the DM original.   A mention is fine but such detail could be saved on the Marilyn Manson page.  Just seems like a shameless plug for Manson.   Just a thought!
: Agreed. Why is the Marilyn Manson section necessary? It's probably just me but as far as cover versions of this song go, I'm actually much more familiar with the Johnny Cash version. Either way, the Marilyn Manson cover is given way too much space. Just a mention of it among the other cover versions would be quite enough, or if the Marilyn Manson cover was notably succesful (i.e. clearly more so than the other cover versions), this should be clearly stated and backed up with info about its success. Shadowcrow (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But now there are at least 2 links refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Jesus#Marilyn_Manson_cover, should those be fixed or left like this? Moersleuteltje (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The material on the Marilyn Manson cover is unsourced, so I deleted it. If someone comes up with a version they can provide references for, they can put it back in. DQweny (talk) 03:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marilyn Manson cover 

message: :Image:PersonalJesusBack.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:PersonalJesusBack.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:PJ.jpg

message: An anonymous contributor 12.75.233.186 wrote, "This girl happens to be fellow popstar Debbie Gibson. (She was dating Andrew Fletcher at the time, and thought the photos would be a fun thing to do.)" I am sure this is vandalism and therefore have removed this part. Still, correct me if I'm wrong and please cite a source. Garik 11 14:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naked Debbie Gibson on the single's cover?

message: I am pretty sure I've read in a music magazine that the single was promoted in England with posters with "call your own personal jesus" (or something similar) written on them and a telephone number which once called would have the single playing at the other end of the line. I think this is something worth mentioning in this page but the only reference I managed to find online is in a Spanish blog. If someone knows more and has a better citation please add it.
Gpap.gpap 14:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotion of Single  

message: The editor did bring a reliable source that proves Personal Jesus was inspired by the Presley's relationship. However, why should anyone deduce it is also inspired specifically by this book/movie and not by the other endless material based on the aforementioned relationship? Unless there is a source that backs the statement, I suggest removing it. Opinions, anyone?
 -Lwc4life 18:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, it looks just perfect now. A reliable, comprehensive and sourced statement without overloading. Garik 11 10:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspired only by a specific book/movie? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Marilyn manson personal jesus.jpg

message: Why on earth is there a link to a Marylin Manson cover version on a page about a Depeche Mode song?  I'm going to remove it...80.229.225.16 (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Youtube link?

message: I am sick and tired of editing Depeche Mode material post-1982. Get it over iwth people, Depeche Mode and even obviously this single is not synthpop. This band's legacy shouldn't be stained by a two early albums and people with narrow minds.
Read the caracteristhics of synthpop on Wikipedia:
While most current popular music in the industrialized world is realized via electronic instruments, synthpop has its own stylistic tendencies which differentiate it from other music produced by the same means. These include the exploitation of artificiality (the synthesizers are not used to imitate acoustic instruments), the use of mechanical sounding rhythms, vocal arrangements as a counterpoint to the artificiality of the instruments, and ostinato patterns as an effect. Synthpop song structures are generally the same as in other popular music.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basty goofy (talk • contribs) 20:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synthpop? 

message: Can someone please explain why the info box for the marilyn manson version was deleted? If it was a single it needs to have some info. I'm not asking for a 300kb long page discussing the cover, but I would like an info box for it, and the track listing for that info box. Okay? Unless there was a really good reason for the removal of the info box. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 22:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox with the accompanying MM info was removed by an editor named Elyswim (see above paragraph). I've restored that part. Garik 11 (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The material regarding to the Marilyn Manson cover was deleted because (1) it is totally unsourced, (2) this isn't an article on Marilyn Manson. DQweny (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The removal was reverted and labelled "vandalism" without any discussion. I'm attempting to start a discussion on the removing user's talk page to see what that's all about. It seems to me that it's just a matter of children (who are young enough that they mistakenly believe music actually matters) being Marilyn Manson fans and wanting to promote their favourite artist in a gratuitous way. DQweny (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, I am not a Marilyn Manson fan and I do not like their cover version of the song. Yet since it was released as a single it deserves a special section which is, by the way, linked to their discography page and is part of their singles chronology. I believe you should not remove that section. What exactly do you find doubtful or non-neutral and needing a citation? If you do find something, please place a "citaion needed" tag, but do not remove it all so suddenly which does look like vandalism. The article is not about the band Depeche Mode, but about a song (also, see for example It's My Life (Talk Talk song) or Dancing Queen). Garik 11 (talk) 07:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excuse me but WTF are you doing? 

message: Fixed the Hillary Duff sample link, it linked to the generic reach out page, and not the song. I had some minor issues with markup though (I'm not exactly an expert at wikipedia markup) but they are fixed now. Atomic1fire (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duff Sample

message: I find it interesting that Manson's cover of Personal Jesus, coming out in 2004, and being a virtual knockoff of the Gravity Kills cover (yes I know they're both covers, but they sound very, very similar in musical style), which was released in 2002, yet Manson apparently deserves a paragraph, whereas Gravity Kills is an also mentioned. Compare the two; it seems that Gravity Kills was there first, and stylistically, a little better as well (not quite so overbearing).
Anyway, in the interest of avoiding undue weight, either every cover should be given the same amount of attention, or at least they should be listed chronologically.208.38.59.161 (talk) 04:36, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They're both mentioned. Manson got his own section because his version had a physical release. --Theshape78 (talk) 23:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gravity Kills 

message: why is there a link at the bottom of the page to someone flogging a bad unlisenced t-shirt? 125.239.105.100 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  link 

message: This section needed a cleanup. Still needs some additions if anyone can find some.
Concerning the cover versions listed. Any version that gets a prominent release from a notable artist should get a mention. Question is, should they get their own section? I'd say no, unless the single charts somewhere. But the others do need a mention. --Theshape78 (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical reception 

message: Currently, the page lists this song as having a 12/8 time signature, which seems off to me... this definitely sounds like it's in 4/4 to my ears, 12/8 seems like a very strange way to transcribe it. Am I off base here..? Suddenlywolf (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  12/8 Time Signature