Talk:Ferran Adrià

message: The longstanding consensus (via silence) here has been that Ferran should be listed as Catalan. A series of IPs have been coming by to change it to Spanish while refusing to engage in any discussion whatsoever.
The simple fact is, Catalan implies Spanish, the reverse is not true, and Adria is very proud of--and identifies with--his Cataln heritage. The staff chefs at elBulli were all Catalan (as opposed to the international stagiers), the language spoken most often in the kitchen was Catalan. It is both the most accurate designation, and the one which most closely aligns with how the subject of a BLP identifies himself. We defer to self-identification in matters of sexuality and gender identity; I fail to see why we should do otherwise here. → ROUX ₪ 13:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a good reason why it took this long to force you to actually discuss this on the talk page? It is clear that Adria considers his identity Catalan first, Spanish second. Everyone from Catalan is Spanish. Not everyone from Spain is Catalan. Ergo, calling him Catalan is more accurate than simply calling him Spanish. Either way, given your refusal to discuss up until this point, your arguments are obviously a pile of crap; if you actually had an argument you would have made it before. Oh, and as for calling me nationalistic.. I'm fucking Canadian, for fuck's sake, and as far as I know not one piece of my ancestry is Spanish (or Catalan) in any way. → ROUX ₪ 16:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Of course the biggest deciding factor on what we call Adrià, Spanish or Catalan, is what the sources say. I will look at the provided sources and edit accordingly. IrishStephen (talk) 11:48, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The most autorative source is off course mr. Adria himself. When he says he is Catalan, he is Cataln. Point. End of discussion. The Banner talk 14:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Except this is Wikipedia and all statements must be from a verifiable third party source. Now, if there is an interview in a newspaper or on a website where he says he's Catalan then we can use that as a source. IrishStephen (talk) 18:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are enough external sources that say he is Catalan. this one, or this one, or this one. No need to mess around in the Spanish-Catalonian rift. The Banner talk 21:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The second of the two New York Times pieces calls him Spanish, though the other two do call him Catalan. As there is division between what the different sources say, I think it is fair to err on the conservative side and retain the designation of Spanish within the article. I've no problem with mentioning his Catalan heritage, but for a formal statement of nationality Spanish is more correct.IrishStephen (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you think he is automatically Spanish, when he is Catalan? The Banner talk 18:57, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes he is Spanish. He is from Spain and identifies as being from Spain, he just identifies with a particular region of Spain. I am not saying he's a Castilian, if that's what you are implying.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishStephen (talk • contribs) 19:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
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