Talk:Bengali dialects

message: I think someone needs to work on the accents spoken in West Bengal. Only accents from Bangladeshi regions currently have samples. Also, I think the sentence chosen wasn't very good because it doesn't denote the main differences in the East-West divide. Something like "Manush akasher dike takiye cha(n)d dekhchhilo"/"Mainshe asmaner dihe tahaye chad dakhtesilo"/etc would be better since it shows the "change of vowel position within words", "shortening of verbs in the West", "lack of nasal sound in the East" and also "use of Perso-Arabic words in the East" in one sentence. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.192.44 (talk) 01:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I wanted to stick to using examples from published work, instead of making up my own sentence, even though I agree that the sentence you put together would be more representative of the various differences across the dialect continuum. I could even add in my own family's pronunciation just for fun! মাইন্‌শে আকাশের্‌ দিকে তাকায়্‌ চান্দ্‌ দেক্‌তেসিলো Mainshe akasher dike takae chand dektesilo (মানুষে আকাশের দিকে তাকাইয়া চাঁদ দেখিতেছিল). --SameerKhan (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  These things are always so tricky. I'm not a linguist but I'm sure there's not a lot of published work on the accents of Bengali. Unfortunately WP wouldn't be very happy if all the Bengali editors on WP just started adding their own accents - original research, etc. Meh... I added my local dialect on the list, but I guess it shouldn't be there since it's original research.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.160.166 (talk) 07:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western accents 

message: Is not this a dialect of Bengali language? This whole article is flowed.Ovsek (talk) 04:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rajbangshi 

message: The entire article has an overwhelming bangladeshi influence. One should remember that Bengal does not mean Bangladesh alone, it means West Bengal  and Tripura  along with bangladesh. Where are the Indian Bengali Dialects?????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratyaykundu (talk • contribs) 06:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Bangladeshi Influence

message: The article currently states that the Western dialects of Bengali use retroflex consonants, but I believe that to not be the case. When people are talking normally, you are more likely to hear apical post-alveolar.Stormmaashrooms (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroflex 

message: The author has confused shuddhobhasa with sadhubhasa in this article.  This should be fixed, since as far as I know, they are not the same thing.  the article is not even consistent within itself on this point.  https://translate.google.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahin911 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shuddhobhasa/sadhubhasa 

message: In this edit I replaced the two sources that were cited in the map caption with , and replaced the second source in the classification section with .
The short explanation is that any geographic information in the first source is too vague to be the origin of the mapped data (e.g. "Banga dialect is mainly spoken in East-Bengal (Modern Bangladesh)"). And the citation of the second source is so incomplete that it is effectively unverifiable. Sukumar Sen wrote extensively about the Bengali language, but I can find no book of his with this title. A publisher is provided, but no year, and no url/isbn/oclc or other link that might help. Even if the book could be identified, no page number is given. With regard to the second source in the classification section, about a year ago the citation was broken and incorrectly repaired. Until then, it was the same as the incomplete citation already described. Because it is effectively unverifiable, it has not been restored.
The long explanation is arrived at by examining the article history:
* 25 Aug 2017  adds classification section
* 13 Sep 2017 Asm sultan adds first source to classification section, "বাংলা ভাষা ও উপভাষা, সুকুমার সেন, আনন্দ পাবলিশার্স [Bengali Language and Dialect, Sukumar Sen, Ananda Publishers]" 
* 16 Oct 2017  adds a second source to classification section, 
* 18 Aug 2018  adds self-made map, citing no sources
* 23 Aug 2018  tags map with 
* 28 May 2020  removes unsourced map
* 1 Jun 2020 IP editor restores map and copies to its caption the two inline citations in the classification section
* 26 Mar 2021  breaks the classification section referencing by deleting the definition of named reference "ReferenceA"
* 25 Mar 2021  tries to rescue "ReferenceA" but (presumably mistakenly) connects it to a completely different Bengali source, Ahsan 2000
* 15 Sep 2021  changes to a different map, supposedly based on P. R. Sarkar, but leaves the inline citations in the caption unchanged
So in addition to the sourcing problems described in my short explanation, the sources that ended up in the map caption were probably never the origin of the map. They were copied there by the IP editor likely just to keep the map from being removed again. Moreover, the map has since changed, and its new name suggests it is now based on a work by P. R. Sarkar, but the citations haven't been updated accordingly.
If anyone can add to the caption an accurate source for the map data, please do so. If you can add to the classification section a citation sufficiently complete to be verifiable, please do that too. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , just tagged you to this conversation. You may find this information helpful. This map is a scam.  Aideppp (talk) 03:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map, classification, and sources