Talk:2000 AD (comics)

message: I'll drop this in at the top as it of general use. There is a thread on the 2000 AD forums for general questions as there is a deep pool of knowledge there that can be tapped. Use the resource wisely ;) (Emperor 23:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: New thread  God knows where the last one went. (Emperor (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: New thread again. Richard75 (talk) 01:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Ask the Hive Mind

message: A workgroup has been proposed to focus on the specific needs of British comics - sign up if you are interested in seeing it happen: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#British Comics (Emperor 23:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: British comics workgroup

message: Current (note all FURs could do with a slight tightening to make them specific for each image):
*:Image:2000AD First Edition.png - first issue cover. Needed and fully justified with a FUR. Might need the height reducing from 364px to 300px in line with maximum image guidelines but suitably low resolution to tick that box.
*:Image:2000AD logo.png - the logo. I'm not 100% sure this is needed and it is a much more recent logo and probably shouldn't be at the start, in the pre-publication section. It lacks a proper FUR.
*:Image:2000ad13.jpg - cover of prog 13. FUR is fine but I am unsure what the image is explaining.  I'd prfer this to be something more... meaningful.
*:Image:2000ad141.jpg - cover of prog 141. FUR seems fine but again I wonder what point it is illustrating.
*:Image:2000ad161.jpg - cover of prog 161. Again FUR seems fine but it doesn't seem to tie so well into the article
*:Image:2000ad500.jpg - cover of prog 500. FUR needs updating but it is an important milestone for the comic and mentioned in the text so is a keeper.
*:Image:2000ad549.jpg - cover of 549. The best of the early Zenith covers. A keeper
*:Image:2000ad1450.jpg - cover of 1450. I'd have to check but wasn't there something landmark about the issue? The 2000s section probably needs expanding and this could be tied in. 
*:Image:2000 ad showcase 25.jpg - cover of 2000 AD showcase #25. I do think we need something like this here - is there a reason it is #25 though? Wouldn't one be better? It has a FUR but the image needs reducing in size.
*:Image:Drandquinch.jpg - DR and Quinch cover. FUR is OK an it makes sense being there
So a few of definite keepers but I am not sure if quite a few of them are relevant and hook properly inot the text.. Obviously I might be missing something but if I'm not we might want to remove them and add some others which work better.
Removed:
*Prog 665 - Chopper cover. Probably should have been kept
*Prog 780 - It does mark the start of a number of series but I am unsure the cover was doing much to help explain things
*Prog 869 - the start of the Summer Offensive and an essential cover. It'd also be the one I'd pick to illustrate the Big Dave entry (as the previous image was poor)
*Prog 2000 - a real landmark and should have been kepy
*2000 AD Summer Special - needed to go as it didn't have much to do with the section it was in.
So a couple that should have gone but others that will have to be added back in.
Better ones:
It strikes me a lot of the current ones should be changed for more relevant ones which can be tied into the text better. These could include:
*Prog 10 start of the first Dredd Epic.
*Prog 86, merge with Starlord
*Prog 127, the first issue after the merge with Tornado. Probably go for the Starlord one
*Prog 156, Start of the Judge Child epic. I think this would make a better replacement for 161
*prog 167, First Nemesis which gets mentioned in the text
*Prog 376, First Halo Jones. Mentioned by someone in the FUR
*Prog 723, First all colour issue, mentioned in the text
*Prog 1500, If 1450 isn't a landmark then 1500 was an important one with the start of a number of series
Obviously not all of them but I'd consider them to fit better with the entry than the existing ones. So I'd suggest: keeping 549, 500 (although they are a little too close in time and I think we should pick one - I'd lean toward Zenith but then again we link to his entry with its own image and this is about the comic as a whole so...), replacing 869 and prog 2000 and adding in 10, 86, 156, 376, 723 and 1500. All of which could be justified under FUR. I'd imagine we can hammer it down to under 10 images that mesh with the text and compliment the article. Thoughts? (Emperor 18:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Hi all, brilliant article, really brought back some good memories!
I was just wondering if anyone remembers reading some editorials on the run up to the Millenium asking readers if they thought the name should be changed (as it was going to be 2000AD!). I can't remember if I'm just imagining it, or if it was real!? Lol! LookingYourBest 09:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do remember that. There was talk of changing it to 3000 AD and the like. I'm pretty sure it may have made the newspapers (as part of those "Impacts of the Millennium" pieces. Tharg may even have used it for some cheap press too - I note David Bishop (Tharg at the time) did a 3000AD issue in prog 1034  and Paul Gravett mentions it here. I suspect both their books (especially Thrill Power Overload) would provide solid sources for this. (Emperor 12:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm pretty sure I kept all my old 2000ADs from around that period, if I found the discussions in the comics could I, and how would I cite them as sources? LookingYourBest 12:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Primary sources are fine (although an entry as a whole can't rely purely on them) and you can use the footnote system to drop the references in (just wrap them in ref tags - there should be a button at the bottom of the editing window if your browser supports it). I have all my old progs so can quickly double-check the references. (Emperor 13:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change of name at Millenium

message: This is a crying shame.--Knulclunk 00:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed (although if you look around you'll find 60-70%, or more, of images in comics have been deleted in the recent fair use clampdown). Looks like we'll have to start from scratch. See above for discussion of what images seem a good fit for the entry. We'll need to slowly work on this making sure the FURs are rock solid but it'll eventually be possible to get some images back. (Emperor 01:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removal 

message: I'm thinking of moving Future Shocks to Tharg's Future Shocks - any opinions on that? Artw 16:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it - it'll make linking simpler and should really have been called that in the first place (although I wasn't bothered enough to fix it ;) ). (Emperor 16:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I've just now got this weeks prog and, while I haven't read it yet (congrats on getting another story in there by the way - with Vince Locke too!!), I do notice it is called "Future Shocks." This needn't be a reason not to do it just a thought really (I consider "Tharg's Future Shocks" the classic name and can't tell you how long it has been "Future Shocks") just thought it worth flagging. Either is fine. (Emperor 16:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tharg's Future Shocks  

message: Would it be possible / necessary to add the top ten and bottom ten stories ever printed in the comic. If not here then maybe in the story own page (e.g. Judge Dredd = The Apocalypse War was voted the best story ever with 9.01 thrill power)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.129.16 (talk) 00:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top thrills and Trill suckers 

message: OK a few things that might be useful:
* We now have an infobox that can cope wth stories published in an anthology:  - I've already updated some articles and added it to others where no infobox would fit (e.g. The Red Seas).
* I've also started the following:
** List of 2000 AD stories - to hold everything together with a fairly comprehensive list of stories
** List of minor 2000 AD stories - articles that look like they are failing WP:FICT can be merged here and you can start an article here or just add in pertinent details of a specific series. If it looks like it is possible to prove notability on a specific title then we can discuss splitting it off to a new article. There are a number of sources we can draw on (TPO, interviews and reviews) so it should be possible to produce quite a reasonable and informative summary (try and keep it out of universe too). NB: Remember to categorise the redirects as it'll help keep things joined up.
Eventually these should mean we get decent coverage of the stories (in an encyclopaedic tone, of course) and we have the tools to make the actual articles solid too. I'll obviously, be noodling away on the articles, as I find them but feel free to pitch in. (Emperor (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: Is it me, or is this article very...exciting? Lines such as "2000 AD bounced back" feel out of place in a proffesional encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olifromsolly (talk • contribs) 16:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Something worth mentioning

message: I seem to recall that early editions of 2000AD often featured a sci-fi short story, for some reason I seem to associate Arthur C Clarke's Sentinel with the first edition. Am I hallucinating, and if not, could and should the article list the shorts that appeared in various editions? --DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 21:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're half hallucinating.  2000AD ran a single strip parody of 2001: A Space Odyssey, in which the buried Monolith was actually the prize in a Galactic Easter Egg hunt.   a_man_alone (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well something I was reading in the early to mid 1970's was featuring sci-fi shorts alongside comic strips, and I pretty vividly remember reading the sentinel in such a publication.DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 01:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sci-Fi shorts in 2000AD 

message: I might need some help with improving it further--SGCommand 15:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Worth bearing in mind we now have List of minor 2000 AD stories and articles of uncertain notability can be started in there and we can then look into splitting them off later if we can nail the notability. As it stands there are probably half a dozen story articles that have few if any third party sources that could be open to getting AfDed and this would allow us to work on them. (Emperor (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just created a page for [[Dandridge (comics)|Dandridge]] 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 2 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

message: I thought it worth collecting the 2000AD-related pages into a book: Book:2000 AD.
It needs a cover and might be a little too big (I've not checked how many pages that'd print off too - it might be we can do a separate Dredd one, but there are quite a few Dredd AFDs on the go...) but it is a start. (Emperor (talk) 01:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: I'm pretty sure that the two characters first appeared as a cameo in another story. I think it was a Future Shocks story, in which a rock band make a record that is like a ring system around a planet. DR & Quinch are fans at a concert. Can anyone help me out with this reference on the D.R. & Quinch talk page? — PhilHibbs | talk 14:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting help with a D.R. & Quinch reference 

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message: I wonder if this section is starting to become a bit crufty?
Firstly, I'm not sure that it has the correct heading of "Creators" - several entries in there would be better called "contributors" not creators, and the list seems to be in danger of falling victim to "Oh, XXXX wrote a bunch of Future Shocks, so they're applicable."
What criteria is agreed to be necessary before inclusion is warranted?  For example, Pat Mills, Kev O'Neill, Alan Moore & Bellardinelli did work in creating the comic itself and major characters - but what about Kelvin Gosnell who pitched the idea itself?  Is he not a "Famous" or "well known" creator?
Henry Flint, Gordon Rennie & Pete Milligan are equally applicable for the later run, but are Bryan Talbot, John Ridgeway and Tom Frame valid entries?  I'm aware that all the entries have work outside of 2000AD, but then again - so does almost every contributor in the comics history.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody has seen fit to comment either way, so I'm being bold and changing the article heading to "Contributors" which is more accurate.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2000_AD_(comics)#Famous_creators|Famous Creators]] 

message: The stories index now lists the Vector 13 stories individually. Richard75 (talk) 18:31, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vector 13 

message: The "Overview" section was nothing about the comic, but just a summary of who Tharg is, so I moved it into the "Editors" section. Richard75 (talk) 18:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overview section  

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message: On 9th Feb I moved the current logo in this edit from the "Pre-publication" section to the 2010 section with the edit summary of "relocate current logo to the more logical place of the 2010 section" 
On 24th Feb Richard moved it back to the here with an edit summary of "Making current logo more prominent"
I don't think this is a good move - it's now back in the "1970's/Pre-publication" section where it's anachronistic.  It should be in the correct era - 2010's.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:04, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s not in that section, it’s in the lead. Richard75 (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Only technically.  Even though it's been inserted into the lede section it appears immediately after the infobox, which pushes it down into the next section - which is "1970's/Pre-publication"  Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, it didn’t display that way on my iPhone. Move it if you like. Richard75 (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks for agreeing.  It occurs to me though - should we collate all the logos used for the comic and have them in a montage, or in each relevant section?  Rebellion have indicated that they're cool with images being used, so there's no issue with non-free imagery.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of having one in each section to give it a sense of history passing but both ideas work. Richard75 (talk) 09:58, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current logo 

message: Worked in the comic for nearly 30 years and for the last 20 did at least two fifths of the lettering in each issue, was the primary letter of some major series, Sinister Dexter, Button Man, Slaine, Savage & Durham Red. If the enough sources can tracked down could she be given more of a mention. From the news of her death she seems to have been seen as the female Tom Frame. 86.187.232.80 (talk) 19:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellie De Ville in contributors? 

message: It seems to be used to cite an awful lot of things, and yet I cannot find any information on who runs it, whether anyone in a position of authority at the magazine has sanctioned it, or where the information it provides comes from.  --47.20.18.111 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is 2000AD.org a reliable source?