Talk:North Macedonia/Archive 5

message: The decision to change this page into a disambiguation was made with no prior discussion. I will revert the move if there are no good reasons provided here. Just look at how many page link here... --Jiang 07:01, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto. Thanks Adam :) --Cantus 07:18, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Macedonia is such a general word and as Adam said has so many different meanings that having it go directly to the historical region known as Macedonia first is not very convenient to many people. --Cantus 08:15, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately for you, this is Wikipedia and everybody can click the Edit button. --Cantus 14:35, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: You didn't gain consensus either. --Cantus 10:20, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus is needed to change. I just changed back. --Jiang 23:14, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Change to disambiguation

message: I think you are confusing the geographical area of Macedonia with the political division of the Ottoman Empire. Macedonia in Ottoman parts comprised parts of the Salonica, Bitola (Monastir) and Uskub Vilayets. Other parts of these were, however, regarded as belonging to Albania, Kosovo and even Thessaly.
VMORO
For God sake Vergina the possibility to persuade Joy (his nationality; croatian (ex republic of Yugoslavia-homecountry of Yugoslavian Dictator Tito), is the same as a Turk to persuade you that you are not Greek, and that you are Turk.--Themata 02:31, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: About Skopie (Uskub)

message: : In 1991, Yugoslav Macedonia held a referendum on independence which produced an overwhelming majority in favour, although it was boycotted by the Macedonian Albanians. [...] The Macedonian Albanians were unhappy about an erosion of their national rights in the face of a more assertive Macedonian Slav nationalism.
Was the latter the reason why they didn't participate in the referendum, or was there some other circumstance involved that isn't mentioned? It would probably be good to join these sentences to avoid having to skip around the text a lot to get to the rationale. --Joy [shallot] 14:58, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albanians in the 1991 RoM referendum 

message: The article White Tower of Thessaloniki mentions some Macedonian Slav nationalist agitation regarding that in the 1990s, but also that it wasn't in official correspondence. This could probably be mentioned in the "Controversy: Macedonia and Greece" section... --Joy [shallot] 15:04, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Tower of Thessaloniki 

message: we have some covert VMRO agent writing history for Greece {and proclaiming Greeks to be Albanians now!), and calling me names! LISTEN HERE YOU FREAK! I DON'T GIVE A SH... WHAT YOU WRITE HERE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR ORIGINS FROM THE SWAMPS AND MINE FROM THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZED THOUGHT.
the sad factor here is that those of us who have real lives can't waste our time dealing with propagandists like you (are you getting paid for this?) so go ahead and write what you will. it's obvious that this is some freakshow project and not a serious attempt at creting a credible source. otherwise this effort would include fact-checking roles for someone and methods for producing "historical facts" that are not revising the history of civilization as of 79 years ago! (YES I AM addressing you "administrators")
I leave this quagmire to its fate (much like FYROM): to self-destruct.
(thankfully, I have a large number of friends from Croatia, Serbia, Albania and Russia and therefore have affirmation that there are MANY trully intelligent, enlightened and aware people in those parts of the world, and you VMRO THUG are not by any means representative of that intellect...)
Philaleth 18:22, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...sad lot....