Talk:Blond/Archive 1

message: Can anyone actually find any reference that Marilyn Monroe was a redhead? (as per caption in photo)
I can only find information that she was a brunette!
::Could we not use a picture of a natural blonde on this article? Bastie 17:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, folks might be interested to see her natural hair color. Bastie 21:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And Ellen Rocche is not blonde either Bastie 11:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The link has broken, so here's another picture. The caption is clearly incorrect, as she does not have "natural blonde hair". Bastie 06:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go to Reelclassics.com they have a gallery of Marilyn Monroe pics and a in a few from her pre-stardom days her hair is brunette while in others it appears more auburn. My sister is a huge Marilyn fan and has many pics of her and I would say she's got enough red in her hair in some pics to say she was a redhead. She also has a book in which she talks about her mother and there's a quote along the lines of "my mother had a fiery temper to match her red hair" so redheads ran in her family. Where I'm from, the slighest amount of red in a person's hair doesn't make them a fiery redhead but a redhead nonetheless. Could also be the colour tinting of old photos that make it appear more red but either way, she wasn't a natural blonde. 154.20.12.109 07:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marilyn Monroe - Redhead? 

message: The etymology section is misleading on the subject of gender: the predominant French system of gender simply doesn't exist in English, even among 'careful writers'.  We wouldn't say a finger is 'long' but a hand is 'longue', for example, because neither word has any concept of gender attached to it.  What is meant by gender in English is a semantic notion of gender, ie it's based on the meanings of nouns rather than the nouns themselves.
There are some people who use 'blond' to describe a man's hair, and 'blonde' to describe a woman's hair, and indeed this convention is currently used in the article.  But it makes no sense at all to call this a careful emulation of French.  In French, the phrase 'Ses cheveux sont blonds' could mean 'his hair is blond(e)' or 'her hair is blond(e)' - the adjective is inflected according to the noun it describes, which is 'hair', not the person who owns the hair.  AFAIK this curious form of inflection doesn't exist at all in standard French, and by the looks of it it's an example of 'confusion' which arose when the word passed into English usage.
:It's not so much confusion but adaptation to the English gender system, which is a natural one.  — Chameleon 09:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Because it's totally unclear what meaning the baroque punctuation is supposed to convey, I removed the following obscure passage:
:In heraldry, a "woman" is, almost without exception, young and blonde, though she is nevertheless somewhat redundantly blazoned crined or {i.e., "crined" (her hair [is the tincture to be named]) "or" [gold]}.
—Herbee 10:32, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
::I don't see your problem.  — Chameleon 10:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Heraldry

message: "Researchers predict the last truly natural blonde will be born in Finland - the country with the highest proportion of blondes." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2284783.stm strictly speaking Finland is NOT part of Scandinavia, but one of the five Nordic Countries or, if you wish, it's part of Fennoscandia.
Can someone cite a source for this amusing tidbit: 
:Sweden, the largest and most populous of the Nordic countries, for example, has the highest percentage of both males and female who make use of hydrogen peroxide and related chemicals to change their natural hair colour to that of 'Nordic Blond/e'.
Bastie 14:48, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Me to, until then I suggest removing the information. Foant 13:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  particularly Scandinavia? 

message: :Some research suggests that fair hair, being characteristic of young children, evokes parent-like feelings of affection and protection in others.
What is the source for this? -- Beland 04:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotion and blondness 

message: I helped in the dissapearing blonde theory section, AND cited my sources.  I suggest somebody started a list of natural blondes, please. (excuse my English, I don't think I phrased that last sentence correctly; English is not my first language as you can see).  I say the whole article is factual, but I think there needs to be more added onto explaining the topic of 'dyed blonds' and different varieties of blonde. --4.253.123.30 22:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: I removed the unsorced section "Blondes all over the World". If a source can be found then it can be put back. I rewrote the "Theory of the Disappearing Blonds" section and moved the external links into it. The spelling in the article was a mixture of UK and US but now seems to be UK only. I don't have a US spell checker installed so if you want to change it back I'm not bothered. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: multiple edits 11 December 2005

message: there seems to be a revert war between having either the seemingly unnatural hair color on some "eurasian" woman vs some "brazillian" woman. i think both pictures stink, but until we find a better one we should stick to the brazillian one. other suggestions? Foant 20:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, they aren't representative for the article but the eurasian girl pict looks like a light brunette. Jfreyre
Why do you guys have such discrimination of old blond females? Just b/c she's not as sexy as that young blond doesn't make her less of a blond! (Oahc 22:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  image revert war 

message: This women has natural blonde hair. She is English and both her parents have brown hair.
Out of her 4 grandparents: Two were natural blondes, one was red haired and one brown haired.
Although she has never used man made products to lighten her hair. Exposure to sunlight does intensify the colour.
Her hair thickness is very fine and bodily hair is very fair.
(80.0.172.114 22:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, I support this photo! :) Foant 15:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo- An Adult With Natural Blonde Hair 

message: I'm curious why all the image captions were changed from "blonde hair" to "fair hair". Since the article is called "blond", should we be shy about pointing out what blond means? Also "fair hair" is somewhat old-fashioned. -- Stbalbach 06:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fair hair" versus "Blond hair" 

message: The below was moved out of the article because there is no source provided and they seem to keep changing every few days. If they are to be re-added, each and every statistic needs a direct source listed. If there are multiple sources for each statistic, than multiple sources and statistics should be listed.
--Stbalbach 02:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage distribution 

message: Which version of English is this article supposed to be in? I see that there are both spellings of colour/color spread throughout the article. The first sentence of the second pargraph has both and in general does not improve the article at all. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say American because it's shorter.Cameron Nedland 01:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which English