Talk:Cape Horn

message: That doesn't sound right.  Commercial and naval ships did it all the time until the Panama Canal was built, and this includes the great age of sail.  Climbing Everest seems more like an end in and of itself, whereas rounding the horn is simply a rough stretch of some passage from A to B.  It is probably the most challenging feat in sailing, but comes about by necessity and not by sport.  Sympleko (Συμπλεκω) 17:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The analogy is probably misleading on several levels actually - Everest is not even the most challenging feat of climbing, both K2 and Cerro Torre are harder for instance. This should be replaced by a good quote from some notable sailor or sailing publication about how the amateur sailing community characterizes the feat. Stan 20:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it's misleading or not, it does seem widely used, so it belongs in the article. I've added some more concrete references to the weather and sailing. --Dhartung | Talk 22:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't think that people going round in ships referred to it in that way; but when talking about small-boat sailing, and in particular single-handed sailing, the term "Everest of sailing" or some variation is very widely used.  Although I'm not a "notable sailor", I'll be looking for references to back this up. — Johan the Ghost seance 21:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rounding the Horn:Sailing::Scaling Everest:Mountain Climbing? 

message: Quote:
The first small boat to sail around Cape Horn was the 42-foot (13 m) yacht Saoirse, sailed by Edward Conor Marshall O'Brien with three friends, who rounded it during a circumnavigation of the world between 1923 and 1925.[1]
Endquote 
This seems not correct. To my knowledge Joshua Slocum with his cutter Spray passed Magellhan Straits as early as 1895. See the German Wikipedia's article on Joshua Slocum for details. Does anybody know better ? — Norbert 14:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rounding the cape means to round in the south. Magellan Strait is in the north. 62.176.232.130 13:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rounding The Horn in Small Ships

message: Dutch makes sense, but is there any particular reason why the name is also given in Spanish? —Keenan Pepper 04:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Spanish is the language they speak around there, probably. We usually state the local name in articles on geographical places. Shanes 04:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant. I need to go to bed. =P —Keenan Pepper 04:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish? 

message: ::Cape Horn was originally given the Dutch name "Kaap Hoorn", in honour of the Dutch city of Hoorn; in a typical example of false friends, the Horn became known in English as "Cape Horn", and in Spanish as "Cabo de Hornos" (which literally means "Cape of Ovens").[4] It is commonly known to sailors simply as The Horn.[5]
Unless I'm mistaken (and my Dutch dictionary tells me the same), hoorn means horn in English, regardless of if it's named after a city. Strangely enough, the German article on the city of Hoorn  says that hoorn means cape, which I think must be a mistake? Anyway, if it does mean horn, "false friend" shouldn't be used here. If it doesn't, please tell us what it does mean! --Grocer 05:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Dutch hoorn (indeed meaning horn) is also used for horn-shaped geographical features, just like horn in English, compare e.g. Hoorn van Afrika, Horn of Africa. The Dutch Wikipedia article on the city of Hoorn  has plenty of explanations for its name, for instance that the town was named after its legendary founder Hornus, son of a local king, but also that it was named after the horn shape of its early harbours. In any case, despite being a "false friend" or whatever the correct linguistic term is, the name Cape Horn makes sense of itself too, which might not be said of Cabo de Hornos. Stefan29 19:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaap Hoorn

message: I can find no English-language reference for the following, or even to support the existence of "Don Francisco de Hoces"; OTOH, I have any number of references which show Drake as the first likely rounder of the Horn.    Therefore weight of evidence compels me to remove this for now.  If we can find some reputable references to back this up, and to explain why the Drake version has become so widely accepted, we can revisit this:
:In 1526, Don Francisco de Hoces, captain of the San Lesmes (part of a fleet of seven ships commanded by Don Garcia Jofré de Loyosa) was forced south when trying to cross the Strait of Magellan, reaching 55º south before turning north and passing by Cape Horn in their way to rejoin the fleet. . 
BTW, saying that the "real" name of the Drake Passage is "Mar del Hoces" is absurd; every chart shows it as the Drake Passage. — Johan the Ghost seance 16:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Francisco de Hoces 

message: === Capitalisation / Naming ===
* "The Cape" is the Cape of Good Hope (in traditional sailors' usage).
* "The cape" refers to whatever cape is under discussion.
* "The Horn" is Cape Horn.
— Johan the Ghost seance 16:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes to Editors 

message: * "The Cape" is the Cape of Good Hope (in traditional sailors' usage).
* "The cape" refers to whatever cape is under discussion.
* "The Horn" is Cape Horn.
— Johan the Ghost seance 16:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation / Naming 

message: I reverted the following addition, because it is unsourced, and a lot of it is duplication of existing material:
:The islands and shoal water south of the Horn refract (bend) the waves.  These waves then add to other waves downwind creating very large steep dangerous waves. The 4000 feet deep current of the Southern Ocean hits the continental shelf around the Horn and is directed upward.  This upwelling interacts with the waves increasing their height and steepness.  It also refracts the waves, changing their direction, leading to waves that add together downstream.  The deep waters south of the continental shelf offer much safer passage in heavy weather. 
It can go in if it can be better integrated into the existing text, and backed up with sources.  — Johan the Ghost seance 17:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted unsourced addition 

message: Hi Wikipedians: not to promote unrest, but to keep things balanced, I've added the tag for "Wikiproject Argentina" as this geographic feature is of utmost importance to that country as well as Chile.  The reason why: it is the southernmost point of the border between both countries, as has been stated in international traties between them. I don't think necessary to source this comment, but if anyone feels that is needed please let me know and will find out and include "verifiable" evidence.  By the way, I believe the article is very good, although no reference at all is made to Argentina but only to Chile (why?).  Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 04:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant to Argentina also 

message: This reference in the quoted passage from Dana's Two Years Before the Mast "the little brig, which was no better than a bathing machine" should link to  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathing_machine
so that people will know what a bathing machine is.
Thanks for a great article! Rumjal rumjal 11:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bathing Machine

message: Hello everyone - please see the comments made by User:Arsenikk at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Cape Horn/archive1. Although this FAR nomination has been placed on hold to allow for this notification to be made, significant work needs to be made on the article if the FAR is to be cancelled. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Work needed

message: I think this should be removed since there's no real rhyme or reason to it. It's just examplefarming. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I find there are good reasons for the section. But the long excerpts could be shortened or sensible distributed. --Keysanger 12:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature section 

message: 1. In chapter 7 of his book "Sailing Alone Around the World" (1900) he discribes how he passed through the Magellan Strait once the regular way... and once more half the way via the Cockburn Canal after he was blown south by a storm (Chapter 8).
2. (Different subject) Francis Drake has never seen The Horn, which was proven by an English jury in about 1620 after English polititians claimed that the profit of finding a second way between America and Terra Australis belongs to England and not to the Spanish Netherlands. Arguments: 1. Drake's very tidy logbooks show that he was never south of 55°S (Longitudes could not be determined at that time). 2. The testimonies of Drake's crew did not fit to the landscape at the Horn. 3. Neither Drake nor his investors nor the admiralty has ever taken chance of this discovery, which was worth more than all the treasures Drake has robed; so the information was never given or the not using of it over 40 years and some wars with Spain must be rated as a high treason by the people in charge. 
--46.115.12.246 (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joshua Slocum has not rounded The Horn 

message: How is it that not one of the maps on this page actually shows where Cape Horn is, exactly?  john k (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look here :File:Caphorn1.svg and think Spanish (hint: "Cabo de Hornos"). --Best regards, Keysanger (what?) 09:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  map 

message: "Puerto Toro, a few miles south of Puerto Williams, is the closest town to the cape."
According to Google Maps, Puerto Toro is about FORTY kilometers SOUTHEAST of Puerto Williams.
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thread_title:  Puerto Toro 

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message: The picture is more false than the real CapeHorn, more the crashes are making it scary so it's not exciting reading about Cape Horn as a little child it's suppose to be entitising and sweet so it enters the brain well and sound, it's a B for me.--Samant4ha (talk) 08:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  PICTURE