Talk:2006 Islamist demonstration outside the Embassy of Denmark in London

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Sunny Hundal, editor of Asians in Media Magazine writes, "The MCB is clearly disappointed that the law will 'criminalise legitimate armed struggles against violent regimes', essentially meaning they'll have to be careful when expressing support for suicide bombers in Israel or terrorists in Kashmir."
This is legitimate analysis. It's an important viewpoint as to why the MCB is against the Bill. The article states the reasons the MCB give. Hundal's analysis just balances that. Hundal is not making wild allegations. There is evidence for his viewpoint. For starters, just see; BBC response to MCB complaints, The MCB and Hizb ut-Tahrir & Sacranie, Yassin and Gandhi.
In the section The Protest, you changed;
Omar said he had no regrets about his style of dress
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Omar apologised "wholeheartedly" today to the families of the July 7 bombings and said it had not been his aim to cause offence but said he had no regrets about his style of dress
This is a misrepresentation of the truth. Khayam at first refused to apologise, saying: "I would do it again to make a point. I could have held up banners or something but this made the point better."  Omar Khayam's eventual apology came several days later "after pressure from moderate Muslims fearful of a backlash over the protests", only after the initial media outrage. This is why his apology appears later in the article, in the Repercussions section.
For these reasons, I'm reverting your edits.Veej 13:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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Police try to stop press photographers from taking pictures of Omar in the 'bomb vest'.
And this link from The Telegraph; Unchallenged, a man poses as a suicide bomber. Police stop press taking pictures Veej 18:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irishpunktom's edits again 

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Police try to stop press photographers from taking pictures of Omar in the 'bomb vest'.
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The Telegraph claims that Police tried to stop press photographers from taking pictures of Omar in the 'bomb vest', though hundreds of photographs of the man were taken.
Firstly we have no reason to doubt one of Britain's leading broadsheet newspapers's claims, especially when there is no evidence to contradict it. Where are the 'hundreds of photographs' that you speak of? I do wish you'd look at the links though. The Telegraph article shows a picture of a policewoman trying to stop press photographers from taking pictures of Omar. That's my evidence but where is yours? Veej 18:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Irishpunktom edits

message: I've answered all you questions in detail, with evidence. I await detailed replies to my questions. In the meantime I'll revert only the areas discussed. I'm not going to contend the title change from 'The Outrage' to the less descriptive 'Reaction', though I will pluralize it to Reactions for grammar. Nor will I contend your addition of; All the placards were written in the same style and in similar black felt-tip pen ink implying that they were written by one person and then handed out. Veej 19:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Added video, it says it all.--CltFn 05:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Irishpunktom, I don't want to get involved in a revert war. Is it not better for us to discuss the content rather than unilaterally reverting other editor's work? Veej 22:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's avoid revert wars 

message: ok tom, so what do you recommend? what is your proposal? Veej 12:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My "plan" is that the article should be about the Islamist demonstration outside Danish Embassy in the UK.  The repurcussions should be dealt with, but not including that it helped influence the bill, but the myriad of opinions concerning that bill should be contained with the article for the Bill. --Irishpunktom\talk 15:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: * We've been though this before. This argument is going round in circles because of a man whose only contribution here is an POV tag. So you accept that the repurcussions should be dealt with, but not that the demonstration helped influence the bill? It's absurd to leave out the most significant repurcussion. Parliament was discussing the demonstration in the debates surrounding the "glorification of terrorism" clause. I've given countless reasons to include it, with evidence. You've simply given your opinion that it shouldn't be included. That is not an argument, Tom. That's your POV. Veej 18:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Tom, there is a source that states that the demonstrations helped influence the Bill, so I think it would be reasonable to include it. I appreciate that the current version might be giving undue weight to this, but if you could contribute a version that you think takes care of your concerns then perhaps we could get some consensus going :) Thanks - FrancisTyers 20:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Could you outline specific complaints regarding NPOV so that they can be more easily dealt with, I'm sure Veej would appreciate this as it is often difficult to see ones own POV shining through. - FrancisTyers 20:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to Sunny Hundal? Because that isn't in the proposal. It hasn't been for a number of days now. - FrancisTyers 23:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irishpunktom's plan 

message: I spotted two errors in this article, but I'm not going to change them due to the fact that there is an content dispute going on. Personally I don't want to get in the middle of it. Here are the errors:
Error#1: Under the reaction section, the word shadow is incorrectly linked to a diffrent meaning and instead should go to Shadow_government.
Error#2: Under reprocussions the words read, "bailed to appear" I think it should read be, "failed to appear." (see below)
Abdul Rahman Saleem, 31, of Mellish Street in east London, charged with using words likely to stir up racial hatred and bailed to appear at West London Magistrates' Court on 31 March. 
Omar Zaheer, of Derwent Road, Southall, west London, charged with racially aggravated disorderly behaviour and disorderly behaviour and bailed to appear at Bow Street Magistrates' Court on 31 March.
Anjem Choudary, 38, rented flat in Redbridge, east London, bailed to return to a police station on 19 April "pending investigations into material recovered in searches". He is a prominent figure in al Ghurabaa and the "right-hand man of radical Muslim cleric, Omar Bakri Mohammed" who is banned from the UK. 
Abdul Muhid, 22, Waltham Forest, bailed to return to a police station on 19 April "pending investigations into material recovered in searches". He is a prominent member of The Saviour Sect and was arrested in 2005 on suspicion of preaching hatred against British troops in Iraq.
I hope one of you can go ahead and make those changes. Davidpdx 12:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the bailed is correct, as in bail. The way it appears is rather clumbsy to read however. Kyaa the Catlord 12:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I stand corrected. I wasn't sure about that one. Someone should change the other one though to make the link for shadow go to the correct place. Davidpdx 17:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shadow link corrected. Bailed in a British English term for when someone is released on bail with an agreement to appear in court or at a police station later. AndrewRT 17:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two errors in the article

message: The following sentence (at the top of the article) is grammatically incorrect:
:Friday 3 February 2006, in response to the publication of the drawings, the Islamist group al Ghurabaa based in the United Kingdom staged a controversial from London Central Mosque near Marylebone Station to the Danish Embassy near Knightsbridge tube. 
...staged a controversial what from London? I'm not changing it myself, simply because I don't know what it's meant to say. I assume it means to say a controversial protest, but someone involved in the article should please fix this. Torgo 20:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another error

message: Chaps, please don't let the dispute between Tom & I stop you from correcting errors or contributing in any way. Please! That's been going on forever & it's fairly mindless anyway. This is an ongoing story that I don't get too much time to contribute to. The changes made so far have been intelligent & progressive. I really welcome them. Go for it! Veej 02:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DISPUTE! 

message: I've added back this category because the arrest and trial of the protestors are still ongoing and hence relevant additions to the article will be made in the future. AndrewRT 18:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current event 

message: The title of this article is too general as "UK Islamist demonstration outside the Danish Embassy". 
I propose the title be changed to "Islamist Demonstration outside Danish Embassy in London" to more specifically reflect the events documented in this article. Netscott 20:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After a brief Check, the word protest seems more popular than Demonstration.  Further, do the groups involved self-identify as "Islamist"? --Irishpunktom\talk 11:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The islamist issue has already been dealt with above. do al Qaida self-identify themselves as terrorists? does it matter? Veej 11:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does Wikipedia refer to Al Qaeda as terrorist? - No. It reports that they are classified as terorist by X,Y,Z. Referring to a group that may not identify itself as "Islamist" as islamist is one sides POV, but is it the others? --Irishpunktom\talk 12:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: before we go on discussing this, consider one factor. Do you really want mainstream Islam & the groups involved in the demo here, to be described by the same term, "muslim"? Are you personally comfortable with being lumped in the same category as these guys? Veej 13:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that the only alternative you can think of? Muslim is far too broad.. Muslim groups maybe, or even "Al Ghurabaa" - considering it was their march. --Irishpunktom\talk 23:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Move 

message: Why is it, that having reading a reasonably long article dedicated solely to one single protest march in one city, I have no idea how many people were involved? --Irishpunktom\talk 12:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbers are in the article, if you missed them.... Kyaa the Catlord 13:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from Top

message: Where did all these images come from? Did the photographer release copyrights on them?Bless sins (talk) 03:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the image "Image:Islamprotest5.jpg" appears here, presumably because it is a photo of the London protest. Yet Yahel Guhan, with a source, says the image is taken from Islamabad, Pakistan. This seems to be a contradiction.Bless sins (talk) 03:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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