Talk:Glima

message: The picture in the article shows two wrestler in a situation which I believe are very unusual for a glima match because one westler has head down and feet up and the other only holding with one hand. I think the one there was before was better but a picture showing one of the regular throws for example "snedglima a lofti" (maybe I spell it wrong) would be perfect. Kinamand (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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message: Nordic Wrestling
Glíma Old Norse, “glimpse” or “flash”. Old Norse leikfang “wrestling; a plaything”, compare leikur to “a game”.
Wrestling became very popular to the Norse; it was a contest not only of strength and endurance but was also seen as training. To win you must drop throw the opponent to the ground or lift him up and drop him on anything but on his feet. It was practiced by both men and women from all classes, from one-on-one duels to team competitions. 
Viking wrestling was divided into:
Glima – Throwing down your opponent.
Råbryting, Raw wrestling is like Glima but includes pinning the opponent down.
Water wrestling - A wrestling match in the water.
Death: Fanghella
Glima was a very dangerous sport, some even dying in the process.
"Whosoever participates in a contest of friendly wrestling or hide-tugging does so on his own responsibility" - Jonsbok 
At the center of the wrestling field there was a stone called a fanghella, this stone could be used to both flatten the opponent down on their back or to break it:
“Over his shirt, Búi put on a wrestling jacket, fangastakkur, that helped protect him from broken bones. As his opponent forced him back on to the stone, Búi jumped backwards over it, and he pulled the man down onto the stone. Búi jumped onto his back, breaking his ribs on the stone and killing him.”
- Kjalnesinga saga, Chapter 15
Another saga tells a similar story, in which Gunnar pulled his opponent forward across the stone, splitting him open:
“They struggled across the field until Gunnar’s feet touched the slab of stone, when he released his hold, took the blámanninum by both shoulders and leaped over the stone backwards. As he did so, Gunnar jerked the blámanninum towards himself so suddenly that he split in half across the stone.” - Gunnars saga Keldugnúpsfífls, Chapter 7
In the Prose Edda: Gylfaginning
After losing a drinking match, Thor requests a wrestling match:
“Then said Thor: ‘Little as ye call me, let anyone come up now and wrestle with me; now I am angry.’ Then Útgarda-Loki answered, looking about him on the benches, and spake: ‘I see no such man here within, who would not hold it a disgrace to wrestle with thee;’ and yet he said: ‘Let us see first; let the old woman my nurse be called hither, Elli, and let Thor wrestle with her if he will.
She has thrown such men as have seemed to me no less strong than Thor.’ Straightway there came into the hall an old woman, stricken in years. Then Útgarda-Loki said that she should grapple with Ása-Thor. There is no need to make a long matter of it: that struggle went in such wise that the harder Thor strove in gripping, the faster she stood; then the old woman essayed a hold, and then Thor became totty on his feet, and their tuggings were very hard. 
Yet it was not long before Thor fell to his knee, on one foot. Then Útgarda-Loki went up and bade them cease the wrestling, saying that Thor should not need to challenge more men of his body-guard to wrestling.”
- Prose Edda: Gylfaginning
It is later explained to Thor that the old woman who he had wrestled with was ‘Old Age’ itself, a thing that not even the gods are immune to:
“It was also a great marvel concerning the wrestling-match, when thou didst withstand so long; and didst not fall more than on one knee, wrestling with Elli; since none such has ever been and none shall be, if he become so old as to abide “Old Age,” that she shall not cause him to fall.” 
- Prose Edda: Gylfaginning 
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/games_and_sports.htm
http://sciencenordic.com/how-vikings-killed-time
http://military-fitness.military.com/2012/07/martial-arts-from-around-the-globe-glima-the-vikings-method-of-combat.html
http://www.viking-glima.com/history.html
http://mixedmartialworld.com/wrestle-like-a-viking/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.206.153 (talk) 09:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think many of these sources are any good. Calling something "Viking wrestling" has no basis in scholarship--Óli Gneisti (talk) 20:49, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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message: The article says that glima is a martial art system but its only source is the story of Thor's visit to Útgarða-Loki. In the wikipedia article about Elli it says: The story of Thor's visit to Útgarða-Loki is only related in the Prose Edda and, unusually, Snorri does not quote any old poems to support it. His sources for the story are unknown and it has been suggested that he largely composed it himself.. And in the versions of the story I have found dont use the word glima but wrestling or that Thor is dancing with Elli or it is written as this:  Því næst gekk í höllina kerling ein gömul. Þá mælti Útgarða-Loki, at hon skal taka fang við Ása-þór. Ekki er langt um að gera. Svá fór fang þat, at því harðara er Þórr knúðist at fanginu, því fastara stóð hon.. Notice that it dont use the word glima but fang which means to grip. I can not see how people from that story can conclude that glima is an 1200 years old martial art system. Kinamand (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that this is a good source. It has claims that I don't think are supported - such as that the "vikings" loved glíma most of all. --Óli Gneisti (talk) 11:53, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: I comment because of the invitation at WP:FTN.  An obvious problem that I see (with both versions) is sourcing.  As someone who doesn't know about the topic (and I'm not sure that glima.is is a reliable source in this context, it seems primary), it's difficult to know what are the facts without secondary/tertiary sources.  I do find the current (Óli Gneisti's revision) more plausible, however.  Since there's no attempt to communicate and form consensus by the IP address editor, I support the current version and will add the article to my watchlist.  If disruptive editing persists, I recommend asking for semi-protection at WP:RFPP.  Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 21:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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message: This whole article seems very dubious and most of it needs to be rewritten. In truth the whole tone of it seems more in line with 19th century romantic nationalism that modern day views.
--Óli Gneisti (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a little cleanup. As an Icelandic folklorist I want to say that any claims of Glíma being a viking martial art is not supported by any sources that I know. Also, this article has a confusing approach to non English letters in Icelandic words.--Óli Gneisti (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I reverted the whole thing. Please don't change this article to promote pseudo-history. --Óli Gneisti (talk) 13:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I reverted the whole thing. Again. Engage me here if you think I am wrong.--Óli Gneisti (talk) 20:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

text: If you have sources that are good, please use them. But be aware that Þorsteinn Einarsson was not a scholar, he was teacher and administrator of physical education. A BA thesis is not really a good source. Neilsen's article is mostly self-promotion about his own brand of Glíma, not a good source at all. I have no problem with this article dealing with all sorts of Glíma, just use reliable and independent sources. --Óli Gneisti (talk) 12:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

text: Please try to understand how wikipedia works and how this Talk page works. I have looked at how Þorstein's job was described, it had nothing to do with the history of sports. It was for the promotion of physical education and sports.--Óli Gneisti (talk) 15:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

text: @84.48.208.98: New comments/sections should go at the bottom of the page and be signed using four tildes (~~~~).  Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 01:07, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

text: I won't waste more time going though every edit to fix layout issues.  The next time comments are misplaced or the talk page layout changed, it's likely best to simply revert the new edit batch...  —PaleoNeonate – 01:10, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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