Talk:Timeline of the Troubles

message: How about a page move to Timeline of the Northern Ireland Troubles?  Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  19:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why.. is that a standard naming convention? --Mal 20:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a timeline  

message: Why haven't the shooting of the PSNI officer outside the school in Derry by the RIRA in 2008 been added to the timeline? --193.61.159.26 (talk) 01:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we have to be consistent with what we consider a "major incident". In the 1970s and 1980s there were RUC officers being shot every other day. ~Asarlaí 18:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derry shootings 

message: Superfopp can you cite some source(s) for the dates (see The Troubles)Wgh001 (talk) 16:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The citations can be found on the main article and in the 1968 section, but I'll include them in the introduction too. ~Asarlaí 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: The lead says that "The duration of the Troubles is conventionally dated from the riots of 1968 ...". Why, then, are events prior to the riots of 1968 included in the chronology? The chronology should surely begin with the Derry riots of 1968. Mooretwin (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they're directly related to the beginning of the Troubles – the formation of the UVF and start of the civil rights protests. It's perfectly fine to have a bit of background info. ~Asarlaí 17:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Background info should be in the lead: not the actual chronology. In fact, it should be in the main Troubles article. If they're in the "chronology of the Troubles" then, by definition, they must have been part of the Troubles. Mooretwin (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if we use that logic then everything after 1998 should be removed. No sections should be removed from this article unless there is a consensus to do so. ~Asarlaí 23:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, perhaps they should. But then the lead leaves open the possibility that the Troubles continue after 1998. Mooretwin (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction explains that 1968-1998 is the majority opinion. This means that some people believe the Troubles began before 1968 and continued after 1998. Therefore, this chronology includes significant events before and after that period. ~Asarlaí 23:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So why not include events before 1966, such as the end of the IRA border campaign? Mooretwin (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because nobody believes that the Troubles began with the end of the Border Campaign. ~Asarlaí 23:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Who believes they began with the 1966 UVF murders? Mooretwin (talk) 23:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously some people do. It was the start of sporadic sectarian killings by a paramilitary group. There's more info and citations on The Troubles and Talk:The Troubles. I think that'd be a better place to debate this. ~Asarlaí 23:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BBC, various authors including Peter Taylor, Tim Pat Coogan, Ian S. Wood (author of "Crimes of loyalty: a history of the UDA"), "Lost Lives" begins with Scullion, I am sure there are some others if I check. It seems odd that we're going up to 2009 without sources for the Troubles still going on, yet we were excluding pre-1968/9 when there are many reliable sources that consider 1966 to be when it began. O Fenian (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some authors, however, (possibly most) believe that the Troubles began in 1968 or 1969. To have 1966 as the starting point here is to side with that particular POV. Mooretwin (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 1960s

message: This is unreadable for anyone who doesn´t know the involved groups. Loyalists? RUC? People`s Democracy? All are just mentioned without anything explaining to what side they belong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.243.129 (talk) 13:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a more prominent link to Directory of the Northern Ireland Troubles in the introduction. ~Asarlaí 18:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreadable

message: These appear to be duplicated. Does anyone know which is the actual date or was it an overnight gun battle? GiollaUidir (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  13 & 14 July 1972 

message: there is a bit missing dated 2nd February 1992 which can be found in another article the two should be tied together
Paddy Clarke was killed at his north Belfast home by members of the UDA West Belfast Brigade.[2]
source 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Graham_bookmakers'_shooting#cite_note-McDon222-2  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fclarke (talk • contribs) 13:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  date missing 

message: Hi Snowded, why do you feel it was better with the prior wording? Gob Lofa (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nationalism and republicanism are not synonyms ----Snowded TALK 19:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but you realise one is a sub-set of the other, right? Gob Lofa (talk) 21:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily ----Snowded TALK 06:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Who are these Irish republicans that are not Irish nationalists? Gob Lofa (talk) 08:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there are people who would like the UK to be a republic without wanting Northern Ireland to be reintegrated into Ireland as a whole.   But it really is not an issue as having both terms in the article helps understanding. ----Snowded TALK 10:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm certain there are these people, and if the Special Powers Act was used to intern them, I'll make sure they're not confused with your run-of-the-mill Irish republicans. In the meantime, you're detracting from understanding by implying supporters of Irish republicanism are not Irish nationalists. Gob Lofa (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No such implication, just using both words to increase understanding and not make assumptions ----Snowded TALK 13:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You're decreasing it, in my view. Assumptions about what? Gob Lofa (talk) 13:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No further comment, you need other editors involved to make that change.   ----Snowded TALK 20:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Here is the talk page where this issue also surfaced, where Gob Lofa was told TWICE to open a RfC yet didn;t, but decides to go elsewhere and try his hand again despite knowing it is contentious. Mabuska (talk) 12:30, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish nationalists who reject violence (e.g. the SDLP) are known as constitutional nationalists; that's generally how they're differentiated from republicans. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best 

message: Is there any particular reason the Burning of Bombay Street is not on the timeline?  It strikes me as a fairly significant omission.  --Drmargi (talk) 10:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burning of Bombay Street 

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message: Are there any guidelines for including names of victims, e.g. are attacks with many victims intended to have the names left out for space reasons? It seems a bit haphazard at the moment. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: The intro paragraph for 1960s decade appears to treat a political opinion as an indisputable statement. There is more than one aspect to this: one is that discrimination had taking place in one direction only; two is the level to which discrimination may have taken place; three is the inference that all "Ulster Protestants" were taking part in discrimination against Roman Catholics and/or nationalists. Various reports have suggested that there was no extant institutionalised discrimination in, for example, housing. Also that discrimination was less a conspiracy, and more a natural process of identity - with Roman Catholics tending to employ and recommend Roman Catholics and family members, and various Protestants tending to employ and recommend fellow Protestants and family members.
The end to "one man, one vote" issue was confined specifically to local council elections - the general elections were the same as in the rest of the UK (and the overall results were often similar). --24.182.92.247 (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV section 

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message: I feel like the key is not very accessible. The colours are not colourblind friendly and also way too light to be easily distinguishable. I am not really sure how to go about changing this, but maybe:
instead of:
Political action or event
Political or civil violence
Paramilitary killing, bombing or assassination attempt
something more like this?:
PA-Political action or event
V-Political or civil violence
K-Paramilitary killing, bombing or assassination attempt
providing not only (more clearly distinguished) colours, but also a letter indicator. 
Aside from that, I am not entirely sure there is a need for a colour key at all?
Any ideas on this? Anboersma (talk) 20:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd remove it completely. FDW777 (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour Key 

message: I've removed these. Firstly they are copyright violations. Secondly it makes no sense for post-Troubles (1998 onwards) to go into way more detail that the actual years of the Troubles. Obviously some post-1998 events needs to be included, but these tend to be key events not insignificant ones. Kathleen's bike (talk) 17:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2001 onwards additions