Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Paranormal/Archive 6

message: I think the yeti article needs a lot of work. I have summarised some of my concerns on the yeti discusssion page but any changes I make just get reverted. It is completely unclear to me what the current editors take themselves to be doing but I think some of them want to try to exlude almost any talk of the yeti as it is commonly though of (i.e. as a himalayan bigfoot counterpart) and want instead to focus almost exclusively on notions of the etymology of the indiginous people's words for this/these creature(s). There is a place for all of this in the article but the way things are at present, I think, makes for a highly confusing article that tells the reader almost nothing they would want to find out about.Davkal 18:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok... I think the issues with the intro are basically solved. Should make it a little less confusing as well. ---J.S (t|c) 00:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yeti

message: Recently I've been working on the Skinwalker Ranch article, which falls under the scope of WikiProjects Paranormal. There were several problems with the article (layout and content), and it was being targetted by some users for deletion and ridicule.
The main problems were lack of NPOV, use of lists, and to a much lesser extent use of citations. I've tried to address these, but would appreciate the input of others involved in this project. My hope is to get this article from a 'Start' class up to a 'B' class. On a related note, I'd like to introduce a paranormal places infobox on (e.g. see here), which I've already mentioned on this talk page, on this article. Thanks. --Careax 20:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nice job on the article. about the infobox, i don't get why it needs a "grouping" and "sub-grouping". it works for the Paranormalcreatures template, but for a place wouldn't "grouping" be enough? Mabey its just my sleep deprivation. Idon'texist 17:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Moriori also made some improvements to the article yesterday. As for the infobox, yeah, getting rid of subgrouping is a good idea. I think I'll do that, thanks. Can we put a link to the relevant infoboxes on the project page (maybe as a separate sub-section of Templates)? I think that would encourage their use in project articles. --Careax 19:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: i guess. but how many paranormal infoboxes are there? I only seen the Paranormalcreatures template and your paranormalplaces. but i guess i can put the links on the project page, and if there's anymore we can add 'em later. Idon'texist 22:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skinwalker Ranch feedback 

message: Hello! I've just started a new stub topic, reality shifts, and I could really use some support and assistance from this community on ensuring that the topic is covered fully and as objectively as possible. I'd be happy to assist in this WikiProject Paranormal project, so please let me know how I may be of assistance.
Cynthia Sue Larson 22:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Paranormal Topic: Reality Shifts 

message: I've found another copyright violation. Clophill has text copied pretty much straight from http://www.iopr.org.uk/4724/8402.html.
perfectblue 17:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it was added with this edit.  Everything past then needs to be deleted. :( ---J.S (t|c) 18:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no reason at all to get rid of the article, as the place is real enough, and the material need only be reviewed (by people like us, actually) as to what the information is about the place...then greatly reworded. --Chr.K. 15:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation

message: I'm planning to start an article on the above beasties (can't find a wiki article). Any recommendations for a good title? Totnesmartin 16:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you explain the name (I'm not familiar with the topic, so it's tough to come up with a good plural). --InShaneee 16:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lough" is the Irish word for "loch" or "lake". the creatures themselves are called peistes. That's basicaly my dilemma: 'Irish lough monster' or 'peiste'? Or, indeed, piast, paystha, olphiast and ullfish... Totnesmartin 17:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if there is a term for them (peistes), I'd go with that. Note, however, that we do have Lake monster. --InShaneee 17:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have that article (I've helped edit it a little), but the monsters of Ireland appear to have peculiarities that make them notable. They come in a variety of shapes, and are seen on land more often than other lake monsters. I don't see a similar distinction elsewhere, except (possibly) China. Totnesmartin 17:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish lough monsters 

message: Could somebody confirm whether or not Carol Raney is Budd Hopkins' wife.
perfectblue 18:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budd Hopkins 

message: This message is to notify you that a couple stub templates and categories that are involved with this WikiProject (, , ) are up for deletion at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 20:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SFD notification 

message: The article on Enfield Poltergeist requires attention from somebody with an interest in this area. It appears to be a somewhat controversial subject, and has repeatedly been reverted/vandalised. Looking through the history, there are a number of fuller accounts of the incident, but it requires the intervention of somebody with an interest in the subject to sort it out. As of this revision, I have reverted it to a short stub which is not biased to remove potentially libellous comments. Bob talk 12:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do people do that? There was a similar revert war on Kasai Rex (although without the libel)... The EP article is now on my watchlist, I will try to improve it. The reverter might need to be contacted and asked for his opinion; it might even need mediation. Totnesmartin 13:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Enfield Poltergeist]] 

message: I originally uploaded a picture for the Ganzfeld page. Since I couldn't find a reliable source for it, I recreated a new one from scratch. Since this picture was created by me, I am releasing it into the public domain. Feel free to use it in other articles, websites, whatever. Cheers--Nealparr 16:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph on Ganzfeld Page 

message: Does the Paranormal project have anything like this:  Skeptic watchlists?  Dreadlocke  ☥  22:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in the same format... but we do have a quality assessment program that keeps track of all the articles in the project. (some 570ish) ---J.S  (T/C) 22:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  It is a bit of a different format, isn't it?  :) - Dreadlocke  ☥  06:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting page

message: I've just been told that ALL of the pictures taken by the fake spirit photographer William Hope are now public domain because he died over 70 years ago.
I've uploaded the 6 pictures that I have to Wiki-Commons, if any of you have any more, please feel free to add them.
Image:williamhopehoax1.jpg|Mr and Mrs Gibson and the spirit of their deceased son (1919).
Image:williamhopehoax2.jpg|Paranormal investigator William Hope, and Friend (February 1922).
Image:williamhopehoax3.jpg|Reverend Charles L Tweedale, his wife, and the spirit of her deceased father (5 September 1919).
Image:williamhopehoax4.jpg|Mrs Hortense Leverson and the spirit of her deceased husband, Major Leverson (1931).
Image:williamhopehoax5.jpg|The annual meeting of the" Society for the Study of Supernormal Pictures". Including Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and his wife (Center, Left) (1922).
Image:williamhopehoax6.jpg|Mrs Longcake and the spirit of her deceased sister-in-law.
perfectblue 16:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great discovery 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Hey, I've just heard that France is to do what we've all been calling on Washington to do for years, to declassify most of their UFO records.
perfectblue 21:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  France to release government UFO reports 

message: Before I say anything, I just wanted to thank each and every member of this project who helped make it what it is in 2006. When you consider that just nine months ago, this was us, you can appreciate just how far we've come together. You guys have put in a lot of hard work on a lot of articles, and help put together the systems to sustain and improve this project into the far future. Speaking from multiple conversations over the past few months, I can say definitively that it's because of all your effort that paranormal articles on Wikipedia as well as the people that work on them have gained a lot of respect from the community as a whole. So, thank you again everyone; I look forward to seeing what we can accomplish in the new year.
Now, the announcement: I went ahead and created a project newsletter! The instructions for 'subscribing' to it are all on that page, and I welcome any questions/comments you may have on it.
Oh, and also, the new Collaboration, Cottingley Fairies, is now live. Happy New Year! --InShaneee 15:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the "then and now" comparison very encouraging - I'm planning a wikiproject on my home county, and it's nice to see how fast a little acorn can grow! And i forgot to sign again... sigh Totnesmartin 16:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsletter! 

message: Paranormal Vanishing is getting a kicking in the vote for deletion section. Could members take a look at the page and try to bring it up to scratch in order to avoid deletion. I've done some work on it but it's far from perfect. It really needs some more hypothesis other than the 4th dimension stuff which really turns non-paranormal people off.
perfectblue 14:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good news, the nominator has changed to a 'No opinion' following the re-write of the article. DarkSaber2k 14:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The folklore idea was great, but I don't know anything about folklore, would somebody care to start it off?
perfectblue 16:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I will try to sort it tomorrow, although the last time I checked, it had been deleted. Has it been reverted?Totnesmartin 19:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: some basic folklore added and some links, but i'm not a folklorist and can't do it justice. I'm also going to retitle it to "Strange disappearances" since that's what seems to apply best (see its talk page for web search analysis). Totnesmartin 18:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there cases of alleged UFO abductions where the subject disappears for several hours or longer? If so these would also be relevant to this article. I did some quick research and found no such examples on Google. But it's not really my field of knowledge. Also, what about the Bermuda Triangle? Would these two topics be mentioned under the Vanishing in Folklore section? --Careax 19:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Travis Walton springs to mind. Although it looks like a hoax, but could have folkloric elements. There are perhaps two strands there: folklore elements used in the hoax, and development of the story as folklore. We need a folklorist to look at it really, I don't know much about it.Totnesmartin 00:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Perfectblue, in the future don't campaign for votes here.  It's ok to make a note about the article being up for deletion, but asking for a specific goal isn't kosher. ---J.S (t|c) 19:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Calling all members