Talk:Voiceless alveolar fricative

message: about 203.164.184.7's reversion of "vandalism". (see Wikipedia:Vandalism for a definition, adding a paragraph on the cross-linguistic frequency of a sound is not vandalism)
(I'm not sure if this Talk: page is appropriate for this). All the human language sounds articles such as this one currently contain links in titles such as 'In English'. This is imho ugly. Moreover, the Wikipedia manual of style states:
:"Avoid links within headers. Depending on settings, some users may not see them clearly. It is much better to put the appropriate link in the first sentence under the header."
It is quite a bit of work to change this on all these articles, but I think it should be done. I am not sure what the best way is, but I certainly do not want to go into a revert war over this.
--Lenthe 21:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: I wonder about the choice of saltador and the English translation "jumper" to represent Spanish in the table. For one thing, the three-syllable word is not among the most common in Spanish, and the translation "jumper" could be mistaken for a garment (what Americans call a sweater) rather than "one who jumps." — 72.147.69.42 (talk) 20:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What example would you rather see?  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish example 

message: I'm a native speaker of Hiberno-English and I don't pronounce "attain" with the fricative in question but with normal plosive t.  I believe this is always the case when the following syllable is accented.  A better example would be "better", or "slit", but I'd prefer someone more expert do the IPA rendering. ­— Éamonn McManus 16:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I used an example from the source that backs this fact up at Hiberno-English.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 20:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiberno-English example 

message: I actually think this article should not have "alveolar" in its name at all, or at the very least should say "alveolar/dental".  Same goes for all the other anterior coronal sounds.  The alveolarness is not the relevant factor here.
On top of this, there are at least six separate voiceless alveolar fricatives, all of which can equally be "dental" (or at least "denti-alveolar"):
Name                                                                                                              	Distinguishing feature
Hissing ("grooved") sibilant                                                                                      	Sibilant=yes Shape=grooved
Hissing-lisping ("apico-dental") sibilant (although I can make an alveolar sibilant with basically the same sound)	Sibilant=yes Shape=??
Retroflex/flat/grave ("apico-alveolar") sibilant                                                                  	Sibilant=yes Shape=flat/retroflex
Lateral fricative                                                                                                 	Sibilant=no Lateral=yes Rhotic=no
Th-type fricative                                                                                                 	Sibilant=no Lateral=no Rhotic=no
R-type fricative                                                                                                  	Sibilant=no Lateral=no Rhotic=yes
Benwing (talk) 08:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Alveolar" is confusing 

message: In this article, a laminal alveolar fricative is listed; in voiceless dental fricative article, a denti-alveolar fricative is listed. (It was previously described as corono-dentoalveolar, but that's idiosyncratic terminology and I changed it to denti-alveolar, the terminology used on Wikipedia.
I'm curious, is there a difference between the two, and what is it? Is it the precise position on the alveolar ridge: directly behind the teeth as opposed to a little farther back from the teeth? — Eru·tuon 19:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter sounds like a strong  and by definition has a lisped, kind of "distorted" quality, which is considered normal for some Andalusian dialects. I suppose that at least sometimes it is in free variation with . On the other hand, an alveolar  of lisped quality is universally considered a speech defect. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 21:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laminal alveolar and denti-alveolar 

message: Does anybody here know if the Toda sibilant described as "apical post-alveolar" here is comparable to the retracted sibilants found in European languages and dialects? The description "apical post-alveolar" sounds like it to me ... --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toda apical post-alveolar sibilant retracted? 

message: Hi Nardog. Any easy way you can explain this edit -- ? I'm not sure I'll understand the technicalities, but isn't having audio better than not? Wolfdog (talk) 23:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noticing this and bringing it to my attention! The problem was that Module:IPA symbol/data didn't include the audio. Fixed here. Nardog (talk) 12:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh great! Thanks so much! Wolfdog (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Btw, you meant retracted, not laminal, right? Nardog (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   Oh yeah -- thanks! Wolfdog (talk) 11:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio for voiceless laminal fricative 

message: In Icelandic, the letter Þ is pronounced identically to the voiceless dental fricative /θ/ in English (example: thin). Icelandic makes use of the voiceless alveolar fricative too, but in more in words like "maður"  and "móðir" where the word uses the VAF at ur/ir. The sources indicated on the page are referring to other sounds in Icelandic, and one of them is completely incorrect. Frankly, it is impossible to make the Þ sound while pressing the tongue to the alveolar ridge, the tongue must be flat along the teeth with air pushed over the top. If your tongue is on the alveolar ridge, it is not possible to push air over the top of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaanders (talk • contribs) 18:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic example has messed up it's addition to voiceless dental fricative 

message: " ... it is articulated by pushing air solely with the lungs and diaphragm ... "
It is physically impossibly for the diaphragm to push air out of the lungs. Generations of voice teachers have perpetuated this myth, but the diaphragm is a muscle of inhalation only. When exhaling, the best it can do is to relax. and allow the intercostal muscles to force the air out of the lungs. The human diaphragm muscle cannot force air out of the lungs. It's basic anatomy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.242.69.80 (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diaphragm 

message: It is rather unwieldy at the moment. عُثمان (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article not be split into smaller ones?