Talk:Parable of the Mustard Seed

message: The Canonical parable of the mustard seed would be a correct title to this page, unless you want to admit the gospel of Thomas  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.120.29 (talk) 02:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What we want on this article are transliterable texts, from native alphabets/scripture into Wikipedian English. We have Arabic text, we have English translations, but we don't have the Islamic letters transliterated into Wikipedian English alphabet, so; no primary English source, or English transliteration into Latin/English alphabet, no show - under the hood in talk page (see the Thomas and Quranic discussion).Church of Britain (talk) 05:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Should it be mentioned that the mustard seed is in fact, not the smallest of all seeds?--Andrew c 13:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Luke doesn't say it's the smallest .  Mark and Matthew say it is "least" among seeds ,  in the literal translation, although some versions translate it as smallest in the world.  Thomas says it is the smallest .  It was certainly the smallest seed anyone in the area at the time knew about . Roy Brumback 10:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent info. Should it be included in the article?--Andrew c 20:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older discussion

message: In reference to the repeated deletion of the fact that the parable appears in Thomas too, please quit.  It's true that the Gospel is not accepted as canonical by most Christians (I don't accept it as canonical), but scholars do use it in historical Jesus research.  This page does not endorse it or promote it but simply says is appears in that document as well.  It simply states this fact in a NPOV manner. Roy Brumback 20:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will need to verify it is indeed in there
πεχα που χε εστντων αυβλβιλε νωλταμ, ΣΣΟΒΚ παρα ΝσΡΟσ ΤΗΡΟΥ, ζΟΤαΝ Δε εΣωαΝζε εχΜ πΚαζ, εΤΟΥΡ ζωΒ εΡΟφ ωαφΤεΥΟ, εΒΟλ ΝΝΟγΝΟσ ΝΤαΡ Νφσωπε ΝΨΚεπΗ ΝζαλαΤε ΝΤπε
pecha pou xe estntoun aublb?le noultau, ssobk para nsrs throy, zotan de esouanze exm pkaz, etoyr zoub eros ouasteyo, ebol nnognos ntar nssoupe nckeph nzalate ntpe
He said to them, "It's like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, but when it falls on prepared soil, it produces a large plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."
  
aublbile noultam the kokko sinapeos
===Here's how much I've gotten so far===
Πεχε ΜΜαθΗΤΗΣ ΝΙΣ ΧΕ ΧΟΟΣ ΕΡΟΝ ΧΕ ΤΜΝΤΕΡΟ ΝΜΠΗΥΕ ΕΣΤΝΤωΝ εΝΙΜ
πεχαφ ΝΑΥ ΧΕ ΕΣΤΝΤωΝ  αΥΒλΒΙλε ΝωλΤαΜ 
πεχα που χε εστντων αυβλβιλε νωλταμ
ΣΣΟΒΚ παρα ΝσΡΟσ ΤΗΡΟΥ ζΟΤαΝ Δε εΣωαΝζε 
εχΜ πΚαζ εΤΟΥΡ ζωΒ εΡΟφ ωαφΤεΥΟ εΒΟλ 
ΝΝΟγΝΟσ ΝΤαΡ Νφσωπε ΝΨΚεπΗ ΝζαλαΤε ΝΤπε - Original capitalization ~98% accuracy
Church of Britain (talk) 04:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Thomas

message: Πεχε ΜΜαθΗΤΗΣ ΝΙΣ ΧΕ ΧΟΟΣ ΕΡΟΝ ΧΕ ΤΜΝΤΕΡΟ ΝΜΠΗΥΕ ΕΣΤΝΤωΝ εΝΙΜ
πεχαφ ΝΑΥ ΧΕ ΕΣΤΝΤωΝ  αΥΒλΒΙλε ΝωλΤαΜ 
πεχα που χε εστντων αυβλβιλε νωλταμ
ΣΣΟΒΚ παρα ΝσΡΟσ ΤΗΡΟΥ ζΟΤαΝ Δε εΣωαΝζε 
εχΜ πΚαζ εΤΟΥΡ ζωΒ εΡΟφ ωαφΤεΥΟ εΒΟλ 
ΝΝΟγΝΟσ ΝΤαΡ Νφσωπε ΝΨΚεπΗ ΝζαλαΤε ΝΤπε - Original capitalization ~98% accuracy
Church of Britain (talk) 04:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Here's how much I've gotten so far

message: I just thought that this ayah of the Qur'an seemed to be quite similar to that of the Bible:
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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. 
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.
SHAKIR: Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
Moiz Amjad cites the Parable of the Mustard Seed when explaining the verse of the Qur'an. 195.229.236.216 10:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surah 31, Luqman, also mentions a Mustard seed. What we want on this article are transliterable texts, from native alphabets/scripture into Wikipedian English. We have Arabic text, we have English translations, but we don't have the Islamic letters transliterated into Wikipedian English alphabet, so; no primary English source, or English transliteration into Latin/English alphabet, no show - under the hood in talk page (see the Thomas discussion). Church of Britain (talk) 05:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qur'anic similarity 

message: Original research is banned on Wikipedia, and its important to properly reference to reliable books and journals, with page numbers. I've just reverted a paragraph which was mostly original research. There was indeed a reference for one claim (the birds are evil), but an anonymous study Bible isn't really a reliable reference. However, since the birds being evil does seem to be a legitimate minority view, I've added a book reference on it. -- Radagast3 (talk) 01:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research removed

message: The entire entry is from the perspective of traditional discussion and use of parables in sermons . It really makes Jesus look pedestrian when in fact he used startling (at least in those times) irony. Why do you think he made such an impression? The cultivation of the mustard was banned by the Roman government because it cut into the profits of the landowners, as the mustard plant was highly invasive and threatened crops. The landless were deprived of a tiny income they could derive from the lowly weed. This is similiar to laws that prohibited making of salt by the poor in India by the British. The mustard seed was a symbol of the landless jews in contrast to the powerful, worldly  power of the Roman empire. The symbol of Rome was the indestructible cypress tree as was the heavy cedars were for others (or oaks by the english,etc.).What the lowly mustard has over the cypress or cedar or oak is that it is a ubiquitous weed that defeats all efforts of eradication and grows just about anywhere.It eventually prevails over the powerful. The kingdom of God is everywhere and eventually defeats the trappings and allure of worldly values. The mustard is barely a bush, not a mighty tree and the idea of birds making a nest in it is just a further mocking of the symbolism of power by Jesus. Mr. dilatan té (talk) 08:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  parable of the mustard seed 

message: Going to have to do something about this, the connections are too strong to ignore.
People clearly where not putting brassica nigra into their schnapps. 
When the "authority" sources are so clearly in conflict with common sense, knowledge and reason, seeing as how brassica nigra is a little yellow bush, that burns the eyes, and the heavens are not, being high as a hurdle 
https://www.scribd.com/document/39764335/Aramaic-New-Testament-Peshitta-Transliterated CTRL+F dhrdla, being the Aramaic word used by Jesus, khardal, translated into modern Arabic as brassica nigra, whereas in English as hurdle, a fence, something that is High.
From which we get words like (hur)deli cakes, or eclaires, and ultimately eucharist, Chrizle tree.
Church of Britain (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Evenagelists are the AUthority on this matter, and they use the Greek word sinapeos, Latin sinapis, to translate hurdla, the word the final authority, Jesus, used. Therefore the Evangelist's attribution of cannabis to the Heavens are more reliable sources than what is offered in the Interpretation section.
How can they be reliable when they don't know what mustard is?
It comes from grape paste mixed, musted, with sinapis.
Mustapis
mustapaste
The Oils of the tree, natural preservative, sweetener and non-alcoholic alternative to Eucharistic Wine.
Sinapeos is recorded 3 times in the Gospels as the Tree of Heaven/God, therefore Cannabis will have a presence on this page. To do otherwise, is to contradict common sense, reason and knowledge.
Hemp was the #1 cash crop for western Christians, age of discovery, sails and ropes, right up until the 1961 UN ban, IT WAS CLEARLY USED BY CHRISTIANS!
So you can't say there isn't enough evidence. it was our entire lives untill the cultural revolution of the 60s.
I offered see also links to show this evidence without adding orignal research, thousands of different recipes, originally including cannabis, enjoyed on consumer shelves in the 21st Century, but with the cannabis infused past editted out.
Schnaps, spirits, etc. all based on hemp cocktails
kokko Sinapeos
Cocktail
Coke
Everything you eat and drink used to have hemp in it in some form.
Commonly known fact.
Either that, or it was in a hempknap sack container.
 Church of Britain (talk) 18:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinapeos, Sinapis, Hurdle, Cannabis 

message: Words and actions of Jesus - Primary Source (Turn Shroud for example, aswell as words quoted in Gospels.
Aramaic/Greek Gospels - Secondary
Latin - Tertiary
English - Quarternary
Interpretations of the English - ????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Church of Britain (talk • contribs) 18:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary & Secondary sources 

message: If you think that in Matt 31 basileia equates to Bastille, and ouranos to Uranus (mythology or Rain, it is very clear to me that you have no knowledge whatsoever of Greek and that you have no idea of what you are talking about. Please stop making these unsourced WP:OR additions. I don't even know classical or Biblical Greek, but it is bleeding obvious to me that basileia means "kingdom" and ouranos means "Heaven". Narky Blert (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced and incorrect additions - reverted

message: Mustard plant refers to this page, stating that this parable is about the mustard tree Salvadora_persica. That seems plausible and coherent with the parable itself. However, this page unconditionally cites black mustard as the plant being given as an example, which seems to contradict the parable if taken literally (black mustard being a rather small plant, while there are pictures of birds perched on Salvadora_persicabranches on that page. Which one is which? More information is needed, it might be worthy of mention in the article itself as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayeulc (talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubts on the actual plant species