Talk:One-Winged Angel

message: Here are the lyrics for Advent: One-Winged Angel. I can't figure out how to get them into the same format as the lyrics already on the page, but maybe someone else knows how.
: Added to the article. Now all it needs is a good check that the lyrics are actually spelled right and that the translation is good. I know this seems identical to the thing that's floating in the net, I wonder what the source is - CD notes? Hmm... --Wwwwolf 11:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  After listening to Advent: OWA many times, I disagree with the listing of the line "Ferum terribile, ferum fatum." I strongly believe that it's pronounced "Ferum terribile, terribile fatum" in the song, and so I changed it. I'm not 100% sure about it, but I took an educated guess at the translation of this (I took about a year's worth of Latin classes but I'm not an expert). On another note, I don't believe that "in memoria" is correct. I can't really hear the "in" in the song. Perhaps it's "Noli manere memoriā" (don't remain through memory) or "Noli manere memoriam" (don't remain a memory)? But this is mostly speculation on my part and I'm not really sure, so I didn't make any changes. Anyone have any thoughts on this? --Z-Ramm 20:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Warning: The above translation is almost entirely incorrect, and should not be relied upon. It mistranslates noli as "won't", a completely impossible rendering even for Medieval Latin. (It's actually "don't", an imperative.) It also uses poor, ambiguous translations for many simple words (dolor is "sorrow" or "pain" more than "misery", per se; "fierce" is a better translation for saevam—which is translated as "raging" here—than it is for ferum, which is best translated as simply "wild"; etc.), and completely BSes a certain important phrase ("ille iterum veniet") as somehow meaning "the second advent", when it unambiguously means "that man will come again", veniet being a future-tense verb, not a noun! The website we link to as an authority on these lyrics makes the exact same errors; if it didn't provide useful access to the original lyrics, I'd strongly advise removing the link altogether, lest people be badly misled by the poor-quality, inconsistent, pseudo-translations that even a first-year Latin student would be able to pick out. -Silence 08:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advent: One-Winged Angel lyrics 

message: I seriously doubt that lyrics to One-winged-Angel are free of copyright. If not, they clearly are unusable, as they do not comply with fair use policy. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 05:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lyrics are a derivative work of Carmina Burana, and I suspect that since those lyrics are something like eight centuries old at this point, they probably not protected under copyright law. Ths music itself is off-limits, but I don't think the lyrics are problematic (though I'm willing to be corrected on this point). – Seancdaug 06:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put up the question at Wikipedia talk:Copyrights to bring the issue to the attention of more experienced users. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 01:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw your question on wt:copyrights and I'm responding here. I'm not sure I understand the situation exactly; If the lyrics are unmodified from the original 800 y.o. work, then they are not copyright and you can use them. If the new song takes the old lyrics and rearranges the lines in some way, or are drawn from multiple works, then the derivative work takes on a new copyright. You could probably quote a single stanza to give readers an impression of the lyrics, or if multiple stanzas are drawn, unmodified, from the original work, then you could quote them. Matt 01:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Song Copyright

message: Sorry if my article caused anyone any grief with 'fanrambling' but we all begin somewhere right? Anyway, i had no idea that this would be such a hotly contested topic, so once again, I'm very sorry. 
Duttman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duttman (talk • contribs) .
: Oh, there's nothing wrong with fanrambling, it's just that there's better places for that - either in other articles or perhaps other places (like ffwiki or Wikibooks.) In future, always consider expanding an existing article before starting a new article. In this case, the contents are probably much easier incorporated to other articles. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apologies

message: Since the site we currently link to is extremely unreliable for translations of the Latin lyrics of the Advent verison of One-Winged Angel, I've put up accurate lyrics and translations on LyricWiki. If we could link to something more akin to that, we will avoid doing a disservice to our readers by badly misinforming them on the song's actual meaning. -Silence 09:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate translation site

message: I've revamped the Advent: OWA section a bit. Besides changing it into a subsection of "Arrangements," I did a lot of rewording. The main difference is that I removed most of the story-related elements from the section. I think that the spoilers and other details aren't really necessary in this article, since it's about the song and not FF7 or FF7AC themselves (they have their own respective articles) - I always hate using spoilers when not necessary, anyway.
If anyone disagrees, we can always go back, but I feel that this version makes more sense.
--Z-Ramm 23:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advent section revamp