Talk:Freedom of religion in Germany

message: Please give refrences for the following statements that I find doubtful or too generalizing. 
:1. "When classifying religious groups, the Roman Catholic and the Evangelical Lutheran Church use a three-step of "Churches", "free-churches" and Sekten [4]"
::I do not read this in the German Wikipedia that is used as reference. Besides it is my impression that there are some scholars like Christian scholars Reinhart Hummel who worked for the EZW that do not make such crude distinctions. Andries
:2."The German government also provides information about Sekten. The official term here is sogenannte Jugendsekten [5] (http://www.cesnur.org/testi/endber/KA1.HTM), as the relevant religious groups are claimed to be especially appealing to the youth."
::I think the CESNUR link talks not about information by the government but a report by a commission to the government. Andries 07:50, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides I read on the website of the "EZW" that the term "Jugendsekte" (youth cult) is obsolete since the 1990s. Andries 08:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Doubtful statements, references please

message: We cannot and should not merge this article in the section Separation_of_church_and_state#Germany because that article is already far above the limit of 32k. Instead, I propose to merge this article with religion in Germany. Andries 17:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree and no one has acted on it in four months. It is part of a series. I am removing the notice. CalJW 16:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: I think that a merger with [[religion in Germany]] is better

message: This sounds to me like blatant nonsense: anyone is allowed to revoke his testament, to tear it up, or to write a new one which supersedes the old one without any ceremony or permission, only condition is, that the testament is written by one's own hand (source: :de:Testament (Recht) Para can be reinstated, if source and context is given (who had to give the permission?) --Irmgard 10:24, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Testament challenge - change of religion 

message: This article discusses freedom of religion i.e. according to Wikipedia
: "Freedom of religion and belief is a guarantee by a government for freedom of belief for individuals and freedom of worship for individuals and groups. It is considered by many to be a fundamental human right. Freedom of religion must also include the freedom to practice no religion (agnosticism) or the belief that there exists no deity "
This means that negative public sentiments about a certain group and the influence of mainstream churches on public opinion that have no legal consequences have no place here and should possisbly be moved to religion in Germany.  Andries 17:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Power for living", public opinion, and the scope of this article

message: Quote from the text: 
"In Germany, high school students are not excused from classes on sexual education and evolution theory on the basis of religion"
OF COURSE they are NOT, school education is compulsory for everyone. Why would this be an infringement of religious freedom??? I don't think you can opt out of your biology class in the U.S., citing religious reasons...
not everywhere, but you can sometimes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.210.235 (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if parents opt to remove a student from an obligatory class, such as sexual education and evolution parts of Biology classes for religious reasons, it's allowed by the school or state in the US. I know for a fact that Canadian schools allow sexual education to be optional for parental concerns (it's a small subject compared to the entire health education class), but I've never heard of someone opting out of a Biology class for religious reasons, and frankly, I don't think it's allowed here. But you're right, it's not an infringement on religious freedom, because the school has the right to teach whatever they want. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual education, evolution 

message: A few things about the seperation of state and church in Germany:
*Church tax (or membership fees, if you will) are collected by the state along with all other taxes. Recognised churches are granted certain legal benefits other organisations are not.
*The public broadcasting stations (funded with compulsory fees on all broadcasting equipment) have a weekly Christian (Catholic/Protestant) commentary every Sunday as well as, as of lately, a Muslim viewpoint every Friday. This fueled discussions about a Jewish programme every Saturday, hilarity ensued.
*Church membership (for recognised churches) is recorded on a citizen's ID, terminating one's membership costs (depending on regional law) a processing fee of up to EUR 30 (approximately USD 40 plus change - quite a bit of money for a student) and personal appeal to court, even if one became a member via one's parents while below the age of consent.
Yeah, we're probably better than the Yoo-Ass of Ey, when it comes to seperating state and church, but we're still a long way from the laizism our constitution would suggest.
::Seperation of church and state is not the same as Laizism. Seperation only means that the state doesn't meddle in church affairs and vice versa. Crucifixes in classrooms or teachers wearing headscarves in state schools is still appropriate as are tv masses. Just as long as neither is ordered by the state. Laizism is about abolishing anything religious from official realms, so no religious insignia in any state buildings or worn by state employees while on duty etc... While I as an atheist wouldn't mind Laizism, the German constituion says nothing about it. --hanszarkow 16:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperation of State and Church 

message: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53457
Germany has a legal duty to attend schools. You can send your kids to a denominational school.--Rafflesiapricei (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany to "look for possibilities to bring the religious convictions of the family into line..." 

message: Introduction: Please proof the tagged sentences, some of them seem dubious. Wispanow (talk) 09:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You surely don't expect me to provide a reference for the fact that Germany has a church tax whereas France and the USA don't, or do you? Of course, if there is a church tax collected by the state in a country, that country's concept of separation of church and state must be weaker than that of a country which doesn't have a church tax. I'll see if I can find a wikilink to an article on German history, though. Zara1709 (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Tagged for missing citations. Large swathes of text are unsourced and give the impression of having been written from personal knowledge and belief, rather than source-based research.  --JN466 12:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not neutral to call a concept of separation of the Church and the State "weaker" than another because it includes the possibility of an agreement between the Two (as is the collection of the church tax) for reciprocal profit (Church: no need of offices, State: a percentage of the income). --91.34.221.236 (talk) 15:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality, Citations

message: Completed a copy edit, removed a few excessively NPOV-infringing sentences, added a  tag, and a few other things. As an atheist and antitheist, I really like seeing that Germany has an open mind to everyone's rights, while taking down those who infringe on others (for example, Scientology). Nice material, but add sources to back them up. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit 

message: "as this religion requires the killing of humans. Problem fields of this are the Satanistic and neo-Pagan religions."
I'd like to see sources on Satanists or (even more so) neo-Pagans requiring the killing of Humans (that doesn't come from a fundamentalist Christian). This is just utter nonsense.
80.171.41.26 (talk) 08:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has since been removed. Angr (talk) 00:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murderous Satanists and neo-Pagans 

message: Why are Jewish shops in Germany closed on both Saturday and Sunday? --84.61.188.59 (talk) 16:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish shops 

message: In the  aricle, the reference to http://www.bfg-muenchen.de/cruzifix.htm does not mention the case. Am I missing something? Ideally, a pointer to the official court decision or contemporary reports of the decision should be there.
--Javaweb (talk) 18:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference has been removed. Angr (talk) 00:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  unhelpful reference 

message: The exemption from military service is based on conscience not religion. While religion may or may not play a role in that, depending on the individual, German law clearly uses the words "gegen sein Gewissen" (against his conscience). This is different than in the US, where conscientious objection must be based on religion. It comes under "freedom of religion" in the First Amendment of the US Constitution, which does not mention anything about military conscription. If the German Constitution wanted it narrowly based on religion, it would have mentioned explicitly. Bostoner (talk) 23:55, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exemption from military service 

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