Talk:Tree shaping

message: i would like to know why do tree bends. for my research its because of the storms or when the tree is very old
112.198.101.119 (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  why tree bends 

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Gavin Munro is a designer who grows chairs, lamps and sculpture with trees in his chair orchard located at Wirksworth, in Derbyshire, England. Mr Munro co-founded  Full_Grown in 2005.
Slowart (talk) 18:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , hi and thank you for reaching out with your your message. Could you please add a citation in a reliable source? If he's notable as an artist (not just his company) it should not be too hard for you to find. I did notice that he himself does not have a wikipedia article so the piped link gave me pause. I've been trying to keep several of our various lists of artists (by genre) tidy and try to remove anything that might be promo. Not that you have added that, but these lists tend to be magnets for that sort of thing. Netherzone (talk) 18:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

text: , the CBS news source is good. I have fixed the citation formatting error. All is well. Thank you for your quick response. Netherzone (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gavin Munro 

message: Hi Netherzone
*In the methods section I undid your changes. The 3 methods with each having individual illustrations of mature living examples are of interest. A picture says a thousands words. Also these drawing don't have any background, thus the shapes of the trees are easily seen. 
* I replaced this " Peace in Cherry by Richard Reames. "With the intend removing Richard Reames name in my next edit. As you seem to comment about name dropping in your edit summaries. But upon reflection I realized my removing Of Richard's name could be Misconstrued if I did it.  
:I believe linking to this image Peace in Cherry 1. allows people to see another example with out making section too unbalanced with images. 2. Follows the ref. I request you at least leave "Peace in Cherry"
* I reverted the wording in the other image as it matches how most of the images captions are worded. Given how small this field is and how few shaped trees there are I think it would be of interest knowing who created what. Blackash (talk) 00:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I responded to you in the "Advertisement/ buy link in citation" section above. Netherzone (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Netherzone what does rmv stand for?
:I have some concern some of your edits. You seem to wanting more info while not giving very much time to get it. Could you please slow down the rate you are changing the article?
:The editing done in Peter Cook and Becky Northey section seems fine. 
:Sorry to see our mirror go as having an image at that placement gave a good balance of images to text. How about we find a different image to replace it rather than just removing the image?
:I have a couple of other issues. But let see if we can come to a consensus with these edits first? Blackash (talk) 01:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I responded to you in the "Advertisement/ buy link in citation" because I don't think that conversation is finished yet. Netherzone (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite tags with quick removal  

message: I found an usual citation It's a paper written about a conference with multiple writers names listed. I believe it's a sound ref but have no idea how to format it.
I what to use it as a ref for the word Baubotanik to quote the paper "The new field of botanical construction or “living architecture” is an approach to use 
the natural topology for technical functions. In German it is referred to as “Baubotanik” and it was estblablished in 2007 by Prof. Dr. Gerd de Bruyn in Stuttgart "
The details below are what is at the start of the paper.
:11th World Congress on Structural and Multidisciplinary Optimisation 
:07th -12th, June 2015, Sydney Australia 
:1  Tailored natural components – functional geometry and topology optimization of 
technical grown plants 
:Anna-Lena Beger1, Manuel Löwer1, Jörg Feldhusen1, Jürgen Prell2, Alexandra Wormit2, Björn Usadel2, 
:Christoph Kämpfer3, Thomas-Benjamin Seiler3, Henner Hollert3, Franziska Moser4, Martin Trautz4   
:1Chair and Institute for Engineering Design (ikt), RWTH Aachen University, Germany, 
:2Institute for Biology I, RWTH Aachen University, Germany,  
:3Institute for Environmental Research, RWTH Aachen University, Germany, 
:4Structures and Structural Design, RWTH Aachen University, Germany, 
Could someone add the ref or give me a link to the best cite formatting to use for this?Blackash (talk) 23:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref 

message: Tree shaping methods
Due to an inquiry into some of the refs at Tree shaping talk about methods section.  I did some research and have found a whole lot more refs for the methods and a lot of web pages by arborists writing about the methods. I've put the refs and the first page of google results of arborists writing on my subpage  It's was also where I saved related refs to this field and where I've been doing some working out of wording. Giving the amount of content I found in the refs listed plus what was already at tree shaping I thought to was time to follow an earlier suggestion to create a new page for the methods. Blackash (talk) 01:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the upload page on wikipedia... it says "We can't accept works created or inspired by others" "Stop by default you can't upload someone else's work" This includes most pictures on the internet. Drawing of characters from T.V. comics or movies, even if you drew them. Please find replacements for the other drawings you made and uploaded of other people's work. Slowart (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just used the upload wizard and didn't see it. Could you link to the page or screenshot it? Blackash (talk) 16:22, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New page created 

message: SilkTork If I understand you correctly, you believe this page should be a parent article to such topics as pruning, Pollarding, Bonsai, topiary, arborsculpture and other tree shaping practices? Can you point out an example article of a good parent article? Slowart (talk) 02:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In general they would be the main topics, such as Tree and Beer. You can find them via the category system - so looking at an article on, say, Covent Garden, you could trace one or more of the categories upwards - for example, one of the categories (cats) for Covent Garden is :Category:Districts of the City of Westminster, which is in :Category:Districts of London by borough, which is in :Category:Areas of London, which is in :Category:Geography of London, which is in :Category:London which says "The main article for this category is London." You could continue to follow that up to :Category:England, which gives us the article England, and so on to :Category:Earth which gives us the main article Earth. You could also look at Wikipedia:Vital articles, as most articles will be children of these important parents. Each parent article will have children, and those children will also have children, and so on. SilkTork (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand you correctly, Tree would be the parent of Tree Shaping who would be the parent of bonsai, espalier, pleaching and topiary. Then  following a good lead paragraph would include something like this?  
History
 
Around 4000 B.C. illustrations from ancient Egypt show what later became known as bonsai, the art of growing and shaping trees into a miniature form.  Pharaoh Rhamesses III distributed pot-bound trees to temples throughout his kingdom.,,
700 B.C. Ancient Rome produced evidence of espalier. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ancient_Roman_Gardens/HroD_90ciCMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=espalier%20,Espalier, a french word, is the training of tree branches laterally to form a flat, two dimensional shape typically against an interior wall of a courtyard.
 or plashing was practiced at time for defensive purposes. Julius Caesar (circa 60 B.C.) states that the Gallic tribe of Nervii used plashing to create defensive barriers against cavalry.
 At the same time  Gaius Matius Calvinus is credited with introducing topiary to Rome.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340715709_English_Renaissance_and_Baroque_Topiary, Topiary is the practice cliping the twigs and foliage to take clearly defined shapes. Slowart (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

text: "Tree would be the parent of Tree Shaping" - yes, that could be one of the parents, but there could be others. A mention of tree shaping could be made in the Tree article. Oh, I just looked, it already is mentioned! SilkTork (talk) 08:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: O.K. I see like Living_sculpture as another parent. So how would we start expanding the focus of this page? Currently everything on the page is narrowly focused on the same kind of work Axel Erlandson preformed. Slowart (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia content follows the refs while also being guided by the other WP policies. Not creating content then finding refs. WP:FIRST Wiki first page states it quite well. "In short, the topic of an article must have already been the subject of publication in reliable, secondary, entirely independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detail, such as books, newspapers, magazines, peer-reviewed scholarly journals and websites that meet the same requirements as reputable print-based sources. Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable" Blackash (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Parent articles

message: * What I think should be changed: The 3 drawings in the methods section are derivatives and should be removed ASAP.   
* Why it should be changed: Derivative works are not allowed. []  
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): [] BTW, two of the three derivative drawings could be replaced with the real thing.
 (Original objections rescinded by author and subject.)   
Slowart (talk) 21:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Netherzone (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request edit on 7 May 2023