Talk:Norman Rockwell

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message: I don't know how the list of Rockwell's major works is determined, but I've been to the Stockbridge Museum many times, I own and have read virtually every book published on Rockwell and I have never seen the Judy Garland painting. It is nowhere to be found on google images or the internet. I have seen images of a couple thousand Rockwell paintings. A few hundred at least would be considered without question to be more significant than his portrait of Judy Garland. It is probably listed in Moffatt's catalogue of Rockwell's work. As far as I know Rockwell would not have considered this work of any particular importance and no one else is likely to even be aware of it, so there's absolutely NO reason this should be considered one of Rockwell's major works, even if he did do it in the late 60's. He did a number of great works in the late 60's or early 70's. There is no reason to reference a painting like this in the Rockwell biography article.
**The Garland painting was unveiled by Rockwell on Television and he gave a lengthy interview about it at the time - he spoke of the composition and of Garland's 'winsome' face and that he doanted the picture to the Motion Picture Nursing Home where it currently hangs - I do not think anyone can say what Mr Rockwell considered an importnat work or what he didn't - this beautiful picture is in  a private collection and for that reason has not like the vast majority of his work (other than illustrations and Magazine covers) been widely circulated - I beleive that given the ongoing popularity and classic nature of the Wizard of Oz  film and Garland herself - that it is reasonable to acknowledge that he painted her as her name  and image as Dorothy the "All American Kansas Farm Girl" is more relevant or appropriate to list in the article than some politicians whose names are not known or even remembered by the American Public and are not part of the "Americana" culture that NR was so keen to promote and memorialise - the portrait of Garland is a hidden treasure and I am sure if it ever is displayed would become instantly one of his most popular works. However I acknowledge that wikipedia is very much down to individual's opinions on what stays in or is removed from articles and I have no desire to debate the issue - you don't think it is relevant as you are a NR expert and I think it is very approprioate due to the ongoing poularity of the subject, Mr Rockwell's style and links to American culture of which Garland and teh film are well imbedded - the picture does exist and the NR Museum is aware of it but I am not going to get into an editing war over it.86.12.250.117 19:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Works

message: Rockwell considered himself to be an illustrator rather than an artist; of course this relates to the heart of the "what is art?" arguement which will not be solved by Wikipeida or anywhere else.
It would be very nice to see a more detailed mention of his relationship with the Boy Scouts such as his illustrating several of their Handbooks, especially the covers, and some of his famous scouting-related works.  He was long-gone from the Boy's Life that I remember, but the other artwork was still around.
Rlquall 18:53, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is needed.  Basically, Rockwell got hired on as an illustrator for Boys' Life (covers and interior illustrations), and later became art director.  This helped him get jobs at Saturday Evening Post, etc.  Later on, he did the calenders, first as a 'thank you' for the BSA giving him his first job.   Actually, most of the handbook covers (and Boys' Life covers) were really just reprints of his calender work.  Only one Scout Handbook cover was original. --Emb021 21:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Artist or illustrator

message: For illustrators, the visual picture is a mere example of a verbal concept. If a mere word were to be displayed, it would serve the same purpose as a visual picture. The picture is a kind of hieroglyph.
For artists, on the contrary, the visual picture is the main element. Verbal concepts have little or no importance.
205.188.116.68 02:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrators and Artists 

message: One painting that should be included here is "the Problem we all live with." Art critic Richard Lacayo praised it highly. Das Baz 16:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some more representative images in, including this one. - AKeen 07:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Warriors don't cry

message: The names of his spouses in the sidebar are links to the article "wife" and not articles on those individuals.  If someone really doesn't know what a spouse is shouldn't "spouse" be the text linked tothe wife article and not the individuals' names? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.149.77.129 (talk) 05:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spouses

message: I am totally mystified by the statement that some consider Rockwell's work to be part of the Art Deco movement. This is so odd a claim that I motion that it be removed from the article, unless textual citations can be found.Writtenright 02:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norman Rockwell: Art Deco? 

message: Judging from recent edits, there seems to be some confusion when Mary died. I personally found two contradicting articles on the net, viz.:
"Later, in 1953, his wife Mary died unexpectedly, which resulted in Rockwell taking time off to grieve."
and
"Mary died in 1959 and a lonely Rockwell remarried in 1961."
Anyone have an authoritative date?
Orpheus82 02:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary's Death 

message: I've removed a substantial build-up of spam, most of it connected to one site which merchandises Rockwell memorabilia. If we wish to have links to his images, then non-commercial sites can be used. JNW 22:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed these and several others. As with many articles, there is a continuous addition of commercial links that needs to be addressed periodically. Thanks, JNW (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spam

message: There is no reference in the article to Rockwell's work as an album cover artist, in fact this is the only example I know; I've added it as readers may not be aware of this side of his work. --Rodhullandemu 08:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of Album cover 

message: He used a projector that would project an image on to the wall. You could take a solid piece of paper and put it in the machine. The name starts with a B. Anyone know the name of this machine?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.49.221 (talk) 19:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Projector 

message: Hi everyone, I've began my own quest to talk to artists, and attend live discussions about art and artists. I was wondering if Wikipedia accepts citations from recorded interviews? If so, how does one present it as a reference? Thanks for your advice -- Marcuslim (talk) 01:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal interviews and voice recordings as valid references

message: Does anyone have a list of his preferred mediums?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.249 (talk) 03:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediums Used?

message: Hi, I just listed :File:Save Freedom of Speech.png used in this article at WP:PUI because someone changed the tagging to claim the image is in the public domain; I hope you'll join the discussion. Unfortunately, in order to not be deleted as a result of that if the result is "non-free", it will need a fair use rationale written for the articles it is used in; I'd do it myself but I'm not really familiar enough with the image to know what specifically the rationale is. Anomie⚔ 20:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: The following sourced passage was recently introduced:
Shortly after the war, Rockwell was contacted by writer Elliott Caplin, brother of cartoonist Al Capp, with the suggestion that the three of them should make a daily comic strip together, with Caplin and his brother writing and Rockwell drawing. King Features Syndicate is reported to have promised a $1,000/week deal, knowing that a Capp-Rockwell collaboration would gain public interest. However, the project was ultimately aborted as it turned out that Rockwell, known for his perfectionism as an artist, could not deliver material as fast as required of him for a daily comic strip.
It's interesting, but notwithstanding the connection to Capp, it's a rather trivial occurrence in Rockwell's life. Discussion welcome. 99.155.206.57 (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's fine, esp because of the perfectionism part.  — Rlevse • Talk •  16:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great addition. Very thought–provoking.Lestrade (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested venture with Al Capp

message: Is he jewish? Rockwell isnt actually a jewish name but it can be. Anyone got a source on his beliefs?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthacohen (talk • contribs) 04:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: NO. Read the article and start googling St. John's, Wilmot. A source is needed but there is nothing to indicate that he is Jewish.Cptnono (talk) 05:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then there's no more reason to presume he wasn't than that he was, now is there?   76.113.64.124 (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a biographer, he religious background was not Jewish:  JNW (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion?

message: It ia i suppose OK to lock the 'pedia aginst vandalism, but my slef appointed task is to correct the thousands of typos that abound in it.  I'm only talking about gross errors like this on ehere:
"given smaller,little less important" should read "given smaller, little less important", but I can't edit it.
It matters, Spelling, ytpos and bad punctuation, eccentric English from non-native speakers who have no idea of wiki language abound.
So bits could be corrected authomatically with a simple editorial too as in openoffice.  
a) why isn't it done.
b) how can people like me who spend a lot of time doing this sort of thing get the powers to be properly recognised for what we do?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.3.93 (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "how can people like me who spend a lot of time doing this sort of thing get the powers to be properly recognised for what we do?" - by registering with a username (click this text to learn more). Because most of the vandalism to articles is done by unregistered users, some articles that have suffered repeated vandalism are locked so that only registered users can edit them.Mmyers1976 (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor editing

message: Of course on Google, on the front page, it shows a pic from Norman Rockwell. Once clicked on the pic, it shows the link to the Wikipedia article of him at the top. This could be an easy target for vandalism. I would request semiprotection of the article right away. RYAN 3000 (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google hompeage pic of Norman Rockwell/Request for semiprotection 

message: This isn't really a question or issue with the information in the article, but I have noticed that this article was vandalized about 10 times in the past month (mostly by IPs, of course). Can anyone think of a reason why Norman Rockwell is the victim of so much vandalism, and maybe a solution to slow down the amount of vandalism the article receives? —Reelcheeper (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism often comes from schoolchildren who have been compelled to study someone of significance, and vent their resentment for the compulsion upon the subject. Solution? Fix society so respect is reintroduced. Easy. 121.44.188.78 (talk) 07:45, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots of vandalism

message: IMO the gallery and list of major works combined doesn't work. IMO the List of major works needs to be separated from a gallery of images, and IMO the gallery itself is unnecessary, although I have added it pending other opinions...Modernist (talk) 02:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Gallery

message: Norman Rockwell did have a conscience when it came to racism in America. He recognized and tried to demonstrate its existence. He wanted to display works that included the presence of brown and black-skinned people in his work, but was told that this would only be allowed if the images were derogatory and he, Rockwell, showed them in a submissive manner. This is the same as it is on television and mainstream media today. Hollywood producers and writers only support works that show stereotypical myths, one-dimensional characterizations and demeaning presentations of Africans and African-Americans in  particular today. This has been conveniently left out of the article as usual. The Washington Post ran a nice article about this topic this year and of course it was marginalized to avoid bringing the light of day to this horrific and vile continuation of Jim Crow in post 9-11 America.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookbackandlearn (talk • contribs) 16:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norman Rockwell and American Apartheid-A Painfully Neglected Topic 

message: i could be mistaken, but i read, then re-viewed the article, and there seems to be no reference here to rockwell's use of photographs when creating his works. i was curious to know just what his method was, just how he used the photos, some of which i was just looking at in the catalog for sotheby's up-coming auction of american art in dec 2013. if i missed something, i'm sorry, but if there's indeed no reference here to the photos, something fundamental is missing and the omission needs immediate correcting. 63.142.146.194 (talk) 02:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  photograph technique? 

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message: This article is so clumsily written. No doubt by a sincere admirer, but author they ain't. There are more textual infelicities than I can list. For the love of Norman, can someone with the wit and sagacity and ability of a Harold Ross fix it? I just don't have the time - or the patience. Today's hit-and-whatever prose vexes me beyond words. Almost. 121.44.188.78 (talk) 07:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing, someone? 

message: § Early life includes the following sentence and references: 
:He had one brother, Jarvis Waring Rockwell, Jr., older by a year and a half.SSDI. – SS#: 177-01-3581. 
The second reference may be intended as a reference to Social Security Disability Insurance records, but it's no help at all. --Thnidu (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: He's nice... Sheryleryl (talk) 22:54, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rockwell 

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message: The very first image in this article of a Rockwell painting is a Boy's Life cover reproduced (badly) in black and white, even though the actual cover was in color. Color images of that cover are readily available and there should be no copyright issue in this context. 2A02:AA1:1005:E776:583A:2CEA:49A2:57D (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boy's Life B/W cover