Talk:Rude boy

message: Removed some of the biased information linking rude boys to skinhead subculture. Also removed the romanticized view of rude boys as a subculture based on music. Rude boys were not a subculture, they were the equivilant of criminal gangsters in the Kingston slums. Upsetterfc 13:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing rude boy mythology 

message: I found the Rudeboy article to be kind of limited in its depth and classification. The basics of the Rudeboy werethere, but I felt some further refinement could be useful. As the term Rudeboy originates from young men specifically going to dancehalls, to not have the musical element present with the Rudeboy does it a disservice. Also, it is important to not essentialize what a Rudeboy is. As such, if we historicize it, and show how it has changed throughout time and place, we can form a bigger picture of how it has evolved, without ignoring some groups in favor of biasing towards others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudeboydreaming (talk • contribs) 00:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine that you felt the article needed to be expanded and improved, but the majority of what you added is unreferenced, and where citations are provided, they are not of good quality (the YouTube video, for example).  As such, it cannot remain until good references are provided. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 01:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-formed the article

message: Sound-systems were always local phenomena but did play abroad. Sound-systems such as the Jamaican Kilimanjaro would tour the UK. V-Rocket was one of the earliest sound-systems in the 1950s (I think). Sound-systems would compete and the few clashes I've attended (long time ago and very local) involved an out-of town sound-system arriving with their crew to set up and then the clash would start. I think a deliberate attempt to stop a dance isn't in the spirit of sound-system clashes. If tempers flare at any event with opposing teams (ie. football) it is just normally verbal insults rather than "out and out" war. I think bellicose descriptions just add to the excitement of supporting a team. Sound-system clashes might suggest a cheesy "West End Story" plot but the reality is far nearer to a jazz "head-cutting" jam. Is "head-cutting" bellicose language?
The claim that people were paid to crash a dance needs investigating since even I don't imagine Duke Reid, Coxsone and V-Rocket set out a deliberate policy funded by payment to achieve such a thing. Probably friction or competition between the different crews led to occasional trouble. I won't change the statement to do with dance crashing but I will ask that the majority of the Jamaican section be considered unrealistic in its presentation of  the idea that violence was a regular and forgone conclusion at all sound-system dances.   
Sluffs (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Myth of Sound-System clashes 

message: Hi, I've added the reference to the single by Dekker which is referenced in his discography on his page. My addition has been removed without discussion, is this wikipedia practice? Spylab: what about discussing it here before deleting? I've reversed your deletion and I'm open to debate and provide references, but I won't accept such unilateral deletionist behaviour. jaromil (talk) 11:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, since this is Wikipedia, if you want to publish the very specific claim that one specific song popularized the term in one specific year, you have to back up that bold argument with a reliable reference. Otherwise, the sentence can be deleted at any time, by anyone, without discussion. It's great that you are open to providing references, as is required by Wikipedia policies. See WP:RS.Spylab (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Spilab. The popularity of D.Dekker's song and the fact it carries the "Rude Boy" definition in its title in the specified year is enough of a reference to facts, IMHO. Popularization dispute aside, I do find it ridicule that the voice about "Rude Boy" (sub)culture doesn't mentions at all the work of Desmond Dekker. I just hope your spies are well informed on the topic of Rude Boys and why Dekker shouldn't be mentioned here. Best wishes jaromil (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Wikipedia's policies regarding references: WP:RS.Spylab (talk) 14:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single by Desmond Dekker 

message: An artistically blurred photo of a Walt Jabsco figure and a model scooter are not a representative picture of Rudeboys in any sense of the word. Please can we have something a little more archival?
Nuttyskin (talk) 04:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

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