Talk:A. J. Weberman

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Edits by User:66.108.22.125 Jan 3 2005 are by subject of article. Mostly useful clarifications, but much extraneous material which I had to delete to keep article short, some POV material which had to be removed, edited the rest for clarity and succinctness. Herostratus 15:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I reverted a great deal of material that had recently been added to this article without discussion (see history). I'm dubious that this material is notable or verifiable. Also some or all was added by the subject of the article. I'm going to look over the material and see if any of it should or can be used. Herostratus 12:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  revert 

message: Per his Web lk re BD having AIDS, he is known alive as of 2000, but lacks his mandatory:Category:Living people tag. Replace it with a 200x Deaths Cat if & when he dies, but i'm putting in the Living one for now.--Jerzy•t 22:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death watch 

message: Why the heck was this article added to WikiProject Texas? Weberman's career and adulthood has been totally associated with New York City. He went to college in Ohio. Deleted. Herostratus 00:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Texas?

message: Leatherstocking has been going to all the wiki entries that are oppose Lyndon LaRouche and altering them. Herostratus who did it originally was objective.
Ajweberman 19:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: LEATHERSTOCKING LYNDON LaROUCHE REVISIONS TO WEBERMAN BIO

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Aj weberman album.JPG

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message: Edit: December 22 2009
According to the tenor of his Facebook entries AJ Weberman IS a nutcase "Zionist", or just nuts, or desperately seeking publicity via disinformational methods. There's no entry on wikipedia's site for Lee Penn (although he's mentioned in one of Abbie's books as handing out salt tablet at the Woodstock festival in 1969), of Yippie! heritage, but Penn went the JDL 'zionist' route after Yippie!, at least Abbie Hoffman's vision of it which dissolved in the late 60s as he had planned (Weberman WAS NOT involve in those days.. He was busy digging through Bob Dylan's trash and talking about it on the late night talk show hosted by Alex Bennett on WPLJ radio NY). 
Most involved suspected Penn of being an police agent (Cf. George Demmerle aka Prince Crazie' who caused the imprisonment of Sam Melville http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Melville ) and Penn, as mentioned, was also associated with the JDL (I was there... I can testify to that fact), but AJ Weberman was never that bright/talented, except for the ability to ruthlessly self-promote himself
FWIW, Weberman posted a link to a video of Fred Phelp's Westboro Baptist 'church' demonstrating with anti-jew posters and he branded them anti-semites, and when it was pointed out to him they are just nutcases... Well, you can contact me via http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com and I'd be glad to show you my half of the ensuing conversation.
He's either just plain nuts, or desperate for publicity. I suspect the latter.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves.
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The JDO was not founded until 1982. The references deleted were all to the Jewish Defense LEAGUE of the 1960s and 1970s. The allegations of terrorism in the DHS report referred to the JDL and cited information from 1968--fourteen years before the JDO even existed. No member of the JDO has ever been arrested for acts that would be legally defined as terrorist. The JDO defines itself as following in the tradition of Ze'ev Jabotinsky rather than of JDL founder Meir Kahane. Jabotinsky was the founder of Revisionist Zionism; hence, that term would be most appropriate in defining the small but highly vocal JDO, which operates a self-defense camp called Camp Jabotinsky located in the Catskills near where Jabotinsky and the Revisionist-Zionist youth movement Betar had such a camp shortly before World War Two.--Dking (talk)
;:I have restored the formulation that was in this article up through early May, that the JDO is "a group that has been linked to violent attacks." This is amply documented in the JDO article. --Leatherstocking (talk) 00:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Leatherstocking provides no citation for Weberman engaging in violent acts with the JDO--and since any violent acts mentioned in the JDO article refer to an individual, not to the organization as a whole--and since Weberman is only cited as having helped young people learn to shoot at a firing range--the allegation in the lead that the JDO has been involved in violence is inappropriate in an article that is about Weberman rather than the JDO. The link to the JDO article will allow readers to judge for themselves about this matter. A few paragraphs down, in the appropriate place, I included the quote from Weberman that previously had been only a footnote re training in how to shoot. This makes the point that Leatherstocking legitimately wishes to make, and it also replaces a phrase that had been marked for possible deletion because of lack of citation. So we kill two birds with one stone (no bullet) and stay within Wiki guidelines.--Dking (talk)
;::::Well, that all sort of misses the point -- the JDO is not notable as a Zionist organization, or an organization that purports to oppose antisemitism. They are mainly notable for Mark Levy taking potshots at Irv Rubin and other sorts of insane shenanigans. --Leatherstocking (talk) 00:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Weberman and the JDO

message: The JDO was not founded until 1982. The references deleted were all to the Jewish Defense LEAGUE of the 1960s and 1970s. The allegations of terrorism in the DHS report referred to the JDL and cited information from 1968--fourteen years before the JDO even existed. No member of the JDO has ever been arrested for acts that would be legally defined as terrorist. The JDO defines itself as following in the tradition of Ze'ev Jabotinsky rather than of JDL founder Meir Kahane. Jabotinsky was the founder of Revisionist Zionism; hence, that term would be most appropriate in defining the small but highly vocal JDO, which operates a self-defense camp called Camp Jabotinsky located in the Catskills near where Jabotinsky and the Revisionist-Zionist youth movement Betar had such a camp shortly before World War Two.--Dking (talk)
;:I have restored the formulation that was in this article up through early May, that the JDO is "a group that has been linked to violent attacks." This is amply documented in the JDO article. --Leatherstocking (talk) 00:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Leatherstocking provides no citation for Weberman engaging in violent acts with the JDO--and since any violent acts mentioned in the JDO article refer to an individual, not to the organization as a whole--and since Weberman is only cited as having helped young people learn to shoot at a firing range--the allegation in the lead that the JDO has been involved in violence is inappropriate in an article that is about Weberman rather than the JDO. The link to the JDO article will allow readers to judge for themselves about this matter. A few paragraphs down, in the appropriate place, I included the quote from Weberman that previously had been only a footnote re training in how to shoot. This makes the point that Leatherstocking legitimately wishes to make, and it also replaces a phrase that had been marked for possible deletion because of lack of citation. So we kill two birds with one stone (no bullet) and stay within Wiki guidelines.--Dking (talk)
;::::Well, that all sort of misses the point -- the JDO is not notable as a Zionist organization, or an organization that purports to oppose antisemitism. They are mainly notable for Mark Levy taking potshots at Irv Rubin and other sorts of insane shenanigans. --Leatherstocking (talk) 00:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: ;Some unsourced material was deleted under BLP, and properly so (although oddly enough, I think it was added to the article by Weberman himself.) In this edit, however, the latter part of what was removed was in fact sourced to Rolling Stone, etc. We should identify that which is sourced and re-write the section in question so that it may be incorporated. --Leatherstocking (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will get to this shortly. However, I thought that perhaps Jake Wartenberg would have something to say about it. --Leatherstocking (talk) 18:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent deletions 

message: I've removed material that was sourced to a legal document (a primary source), with no secondary sources. Given who was named, I assume this was a LaRouche-related edit. If it was, it was arguably in violation of the ArbCom rulings.
BLP says, "Exercise great care in using material from primary sources. Do not use, for example, public records that include personal details—such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses—or trial transcripts and other court records or public documents, unless a reliable secondary source has already cited them. Where primary-source material has first been presented by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to turn to open records to augment the secondary source, subject to the no original research policy."
I also removed the tags, as they'd been there a long time and were defacing the article.
SlimVirgin talk|contribs 22:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP 

message: "Weberman claimed that the younger Dylan was a heroin addict." 
Now that the BBC has broadcast Bob Dylan saying in his own voice he was a heroin addict should this be reworded? EdRicardo (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would keep it in order to reiterate how much of a nut job this person is..check his recent youtube videos out if you don`t think so..however I would add to it there has never been any evidence or allegations against Jakob Dylan regarding drug use..without that disclaimer I agree the statement should be removed. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 03:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroin 

message: Continuing on, and looking at the article from a WP:BLP perspective.
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Both of those are very controversial organizations, and to make a statement like that we need solid evidence. The statement is probably true, but the question is can we prove it. It's also probably true that Weberman wouldn't mind be associated with either organization, but we can't operate on that assumption. We have to treat it as if we were saying it about Harry Reid or anyone else.
I haven't found anything on him being in the Yippies. We have proof that he's involved with the Yippee Museum but that's different. Granted I'm not a Google maven and maybe I've missed it. Levinson's book Brooklyn Boomer is the only real ref, and it's not a good ref. Books generally aren't good refs because they're not fact-checked. Levinson is not an academic scholar with a reputation for integrity to uphold. The book isn't about Weberman and it's not rigorously referenced and footnoted. It's a memoir, he knew Weberman when they were kids, he tells a little story, he mentions Weberman has a 30-year involvement with the Yippies. It could be something he heard somewhere or just assumed. It's not an acceptable ref for a contentious statement in a BLP. Couldn't find anything else. So took that out.
As to Weberman being in the JDO, there's a little more evidence. Unfortunately I somehow lost the three refs I found. But two were not reliable sources. The third was the Orlando Sentinel here where he's mentioned in passing as a "JDO spokesman". The Sentinel is a real paper, but it's not the NY Times, it's a passing mention, "spokesman" doesn't prove he holds any office or is even a member... it's not sufficient to pin someone to a highly controversial organization in a BLP in my opinion. Took it out.
One of the problems is that Weberman gets a lot of hits but few in real mainstream sources.
The Nixon-tomato thing is fairly trivial. He allegedly threw a vegetable which didn't hit Nixon. He was arrested but not even held let alone tried or convicted, as near as I can find out. Took it out. Might take out more on a further pass. Herostratus (talk) 07:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP concerns 

message: *50 Years Ago: The Summer of Love Brings Pot, Protests and Psychedelic Rock to the East Village. May 16, 2017. By Frank Mastropolo. Bedford + Bowery. From the article (emphasis and links added):
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Inspired by a Dutch anarchist group, activists A.J. Weberman and Dana Beal founded the New York Provos. When underground newspaper The East Village Other moved, the Provos took over its former office on Avenue A.
“We put a big sign in the window that said ‘Psychedelic Revolution,'” says Weberman. “I remember going out, selling this magazine we had, New York Provo magazine, and talking to 100, 200 different people a day on the street, wherever I’d meet them, trying to get them to come to our demonstrations.
“And we began to organize. Every time there was a pot bust, we’d march through the streets to protest them busting people for marijuana. The people in the neighborhood were very receptive, they threw flowers at us – along with the flowerpots. We started a bail fund and went down to 100 Centre and bailed out a number of people who couldn’t make bail for pot.”
In June 1967, Beal staged the first of a series of Smoke-Ins in Tompkins Square Park. “We had the first Smoke-In in the entire world there,” says Weberman, who left the U.S. that year. “We smoked pot openly to show people that it didn’t turn you into a raving maniac. Back then the pot was so weak it hardly did anything.”
Maybe someone with more time can incorporate some of this info in the article. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:49, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1967 info, Dana Beal, and first marijuana Smoke-In 

message: Under other activities, a new item has been added:
 On April 14, 2015 Weberman testified about Frank Sturgis's role in Camarate, the assassination of the Prime Minister and Defense Minister of Portugal
The source for this is a malformed string to the Portuguese Parliament website which produces a misnamed pdf file dating from October 10, 2013. This cannot be cited as a source for something Weberman supposedly did in 2015. Rgr09 (talk) 21:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims on Portugal testimony 

message: The publications list in the article is filled with things like records of radio interviews, private printings, self-published materials on booksurge and createspace, and so on. None of this is acceptable for Wikipedia, which is not intended to provide lists of private collecteana. I have removed most of this; if there are disputes about some of these items, please discuss here before adding back in. Rgr09 (talk) 23:44, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with publications list