Talk:Tim Wonnacott

message: I hate howe anon's are a loud to edit pages like this. 
VampireProject23  —Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon's mistake

message: I reverted this article to the 8 october 2010 version, removing what I believe to be vandalism. This was the passage in the article before the revert:
"In July 2003, Wonnacott replaced David Dickinson as the daytime host of the popular BBC1 television programme, Bargain Hunt after proving sucessful in a duel to the death, though victorious in the duel, he showed mercy and spared his oppenants life. The original contract was for 30 shows, but this has been extended to over 350 shows in light of his appeal to viewers. He is currently awaiting trial for the severe maiming of Dickinson."
I think the vandalism is fairly obvious..
Cheers, Fionaalison (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The birth date on this article is incorrect. Mr Wonnacott was born in 1951, not 1953 (source BMD indexes): 
Timothy Wonnacott
Year of Registration 	1951
Quarter of Registration Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District 	Barnstaple
Registration County 	Devon
Mother's maiden name 	
Volume Number 	7A
Volume Page 	271  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.124.129 (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but this is complete and utter rubbish! People shouldn't be rooting through government records, carrying out original research and drawing their own conclusions to prove or disprove what a celebrity says about their private lives. Not all birth registrations were recorded by the GRO, for example. WP:PRIMARY clearly says that "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation" Sionk (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify that the reference used to support the 1953 date of both is not Wonnacott's personal homepage. It is a page created by wonnacott.org, a website that "contains genealogy details and resources for Wonnacott families throughout the world."  So the referenced page is a page about him, not by him.  According to the page, however, the website has Tim Wonnacott's permission to publish the information. Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough! Thanks for putting me straight and correcting the citation. I should've read the green writing more carefully. If Wonnacott has given permission to publish the info, that should be OK for a BLP, I'm sure. Sionk (talk) 00:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone can find a better reference, that would be ideal, but I think, in the circumstances, it's OK to assume that this one is sanctioned by Wonnacott, given that it's been there since 2004. Wikipeterproject (talk) 00:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

text: In actual fact, a Timothy Wonnacott's birth was registered in Barnstaple district in the March qtr of 1951. You have drawn the conclusion that Wonnacott is lying about his age and decided to publish that conclusion on Wikipedia. That is 'original research', which is strictly not allowed in biographies of living people unless it is backed up by reliable secondary or tertiary sources. The BBC, his employer, are happy to believe he was born in 1953. It's a bit rich to say "leave me alone" when you are quite happy to dispute someone's birth date on the world's 5th most popular internet site. The WP:BLP guidelines exist to protect minor celebrities' from Wikipedia editors acting like tabloid journalists. Sionk (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Does anyone know from what source did www.wonnacott.org discover a Tim Wonnacott born in 1953? Brakn (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably submitted to the website owner, like much of the other information on the website. The citation is used here to show that a DOB is openly published in the public arena, apparently with Wonnacott's consent. Sionk (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

text: No Sionk, it is not independent reference that he was 50 in 2003; it's an independent reference that he was in his 50s. Surely wiki should not put up info that is wrong? If you ask Wonnacott.org what is their ref they will tell you it's the Central Records Office births 1951 even though on their website they've put that he was born in 1953. Two wrongs etc... Brakn (talk) 08:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he says he's 50 in the article. So please stop accusing minor celebrities of lying, on Wikipedia, based on your WP:OR. Instead find reliable published sources to back up your repeated allegations. Sionk (talk) 10:19, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

text: It makes the same assumptions as you, based on the same primary source. At least the http://www.wonnacott.org/TVTim.htm page claims to be published with the agreement of the subject, so it's the best we've got at the moment. Sionk (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

text: This is getting tedious. If you persist in adding unsourced information about living people wo Wikpedia you'll end up getting blocked. The GRO indexes don't give parents names, for example. There is no 'article' that names Wonnacott's parents. If Wonnacott is born in May his birth wouldn't be registered in March. Sionk (talk) 17:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Last night Tim said on the BBC "and for an old geezer like me who comes along in his 64th year" - must be mistaken then. ;-) Brakn (talk) 08:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I think it's now clear the 1953 date is completely wrong by Mr. Wonnacott's own statement, and may well have originated from Wikipedia itself, I have corrected it to 1951. His father Raymond married Pamela Ford in 1946, and Ford is the maiden name given on the 1951 birth, this ties in with the tree here. Vladeraz (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: Could whoever wrote the passage referring to Tim's tap dancing prowess please provide a reference?  I can find no mention of a Brixham School of Performing Arts on Google (other than this article and other sources deriving from it), and I rather doubt that a fairly small town in Devon would have had such an institution around 1970.  Indeed, I suspect that schools of 'performing arts' are a comparatively recent American import to the UK, inspired by films like 'Fame'.  I smell vandalism.86.135.4.171 (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it, if someone comes up with a source it can be added back. GB fan 17:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tap Dancing??? 

message: Wiki says you're wrong Tim!
“It’s a great treat to be on a programme like Strictly. For an old geezer like me – in his 64th year, slightly portly and thinking he’s a bit over the hill – it has taken me to a very special place.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s104/strictly-come-dancing/news/a604474/strictly-come-dancing-2014-tim-wonnacott-eliminated.html#~pfTMyh5IlVpUuZ
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/strictly-come-dancing/11170252/Strictly-Come-Dancing-Results-Week-Four-Tim-Wonnacott.html
http://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2014101921494/tim-wonnacott-leaves-strictly-come-dancing/
http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Bargain-Hunt-s-Tim-Wonnacott-Barnstaple/story-23270446-detail/story.html
End of. Hate it when things are wrong. ;-)
Brakn (talk) 19:25, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completely removed mention of birthdate/year.  There are no reliable sources in the article for any birthdate/year and they should not be readded without one.  -- GB fan 19:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

text: If in October 2014 he was 63, then it's fair to say he was born circa 1951. He has freely said so. However, digging around in birth and marriage registration indexes is still WP:OR and should be avoided, regardless of whether people consider themselves professional genealogists or not. Sionk (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

text: "it's not my birthday" Timothy Wonnacott resigned, 2003 80.234.128.185 (talk) 16:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Tim not  telling the truth? Born 1953?