Talk:List of books about Jesus

message: ::: Doug Weller has a very strong bias against the Jesus as Myth position, believing that Joseph was the natural father of Jesus Christ (POV, not fact). Wfgh66 (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just an insult, I have no position on Jesus as whatever, and I told Wfgh66 that before he added his insult here. I don't know if Jesus ever existed -- so far as I am concerned there is no convincing evidence either way.  I just don't like the word 'theory' being misused -- see theory. What Wfgh66 wrote on my talk page is "You have a bias against the Jesus as Myth Theory because you believe that Joseph was the natural father of Jesus Christ. Those who accept the Jesus as Myth theory do not themselves regard it as "unproven". Only those who disagree with it, like yourself."  That looks as though he preferred the word 'theory' as he thinks it means 'proven'. And using 'theory' that way is both wrong and surely POV?Doug Weller (talk) 13:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: EALacey got it wrong as well (above, top of this Talk page). "The theory that Jesus did not exist" is a common passage found online and in most books. Wfgh66 (talk) 13:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because others use a term incorrectly doesn't mean we have to.  And if to you it means proven, then let's not. You've already changed it but I'd prefer just 'Jesus as myth' as that reads more smoothly.Doug Weller (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for changing the section heading. I'm going to do some minor copyediting of the section headings as Wikipedia style says that except for the first word, only proper names get capital letters.Doug Weller (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: use of the word theory as a section heading

message: I am amazed that a page that has been around for nearly two-and-a-half years has generated so little discussion... I also wonder at the value and purpose of this page. Technically, I could list here every New Testament commentary that has ever been published, as Jesus is pretty much the subject of every New Testament book, and therefore of every New Testament commentary. But, would such a list be considered useful in this context?—GRM (talk) 15:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it back. I was just trawling through lists of articles up for deletion, and I found this which I think will be deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_cookbooks - it looks as though the reasons would apply to this article.Doug Weller (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why so little discussion, and purpose of the list? 

message: A list of the books on Jesus gives an objective glance at the history of the treatment of the subject matter. Both for beginners and for the experienced researchers. Do not delete. 
Of course there is rubbish, it's not meant to be censored.
Where else can you find a list like this? Sure you can find bibliographies in books but they are selective, outlining only what suited the relevent author's argument. Wfgh66 (talk) 17:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Not Delete 

message: Consider for addition in the list of books74.141.34.222 (talk) 03:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Desire of Ages" by Ellen G. White? 

message: I wish to know why is my contributions on List of books about Jesus being deleted automatically by the user ClueBota saying that i wrote obscenities. I didn't write any obscenity. All I did was writing exactly this: 
Rice, Anne "Christ The Lord" (2005) Ediciones B, Grupo Z,  
How is that obscene? Thank You.
And who controls these users that do whatever they want without even reading the contributions?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NocturneSoul (talk • contribs) 21:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cluebot, not Cluebota, and not a person. It's a 'bot', an automated tool. If you read the edit summary it tells you to report any false positives. Do that. Anne Rice writes novels (normally vampire novels), and this is a novel and doesn't belong on this list, sorry. Dougweller (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! I'll do that. Yes, Anne Rice wrote books about vampires, but "Christ The Lord" is a biography of Jesus. It's not about Vampires, it's considered as one of the best biographies of Jesus. I don't think it's a good thing for Wikipedia to delete contributions based on assumptions. But anyway, my contribution was deleted for being obscene. Which is ridiculous. Unless "Christ The Lord" is considered bad word. Thank you for your advice on reporting the false positive.  --NocturneSoul (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Christ the Lord"is the title of a series of novels, starting with "Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt" which one reviewer described as "an interesting take on how Jesus might have lived as a child." It's clearly fiction and is sold as fiction and doesn't belong on this list. Dougweller (talk) 06:09, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. I thought this was a List of Books About Jesus. So I thought adding Anne Rices's book since it's a book about Jesus. I didn't know this was a "List of Non Fictional Books about Jesus". It doesn't say that anywhere. You should clarify that. Where can I find a List of "Novels" about Jesus? (And by the way, it is a novel but that doesn't make it fictional. It's actually one of the most historically accurate "novels" about Jesus ever written according to most experts in the matter. But if you don't want it on this list...) --NocturneSoul (talk) 13:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a series. How can you have an 'accurate' novel about the time when even the Gospels don't mention him? Dougweller (talk) 14:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just like history books are written. Like books about Egypt or dinosaurs or Alexander The Great. He lived like 400 years before Christ and we know everything about his time, with very specific details about the society, the clothing, the politics and more. What are you talking about Besides on the top of the article it says "This is a list of written works with information or interpretations of the life and teachings of Jesus" And even the Bible is there. So what your're saying about Anne Aice's book can perfectly be applied to the Biblie.--NocturneSoul (talk) 16:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So the Bible is a novel? You've lost me there. Dougweller (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're funny. First my contribution is deleted for being obscene, then is deleted for being a "book about vampires" which is not, then is deleted for being historically inaccurate, then is deleted for being a novel. Make up your mind people. I compared Anne Rice's book with the Bible for what you said about being impossible to corroborate historically, not for being a novel or not. You're very good putting words in my mouth I never said. NocturneSoul (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's okay for NocturneSoul to put up that book on this list, it sounds like its level of historical accuracy can't be that bad. If it's not okay, then definitely there ought to be some hidden text saying something like "no novels please" or "only academic works please".  Either way, NocturneSoul's edit was not vandalism, didn't involve obscenity whatsoever, and was definitely made in good faith, let us assure that. 71.113.25.147 (talk) 05:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The first removal was by a bot which presumably saw the word 'Christ', but I'm not clear why it did it. No one deleted it or said it was a book about vampires, I pointed out that it was a novel by Anne Rice who is well known for writing about vampires. I've removed it simply because a novel. I still don't understand the comparison between the novel and the Bible. We don't claim (here on Wikipedia) that the Bible is history or historically accurate - or that it is a novel. You can't claim something is historically accurate when you can't corroborate it, so why is the first volume in this series of novels being claimed to be historically accurate? Just because the setting may be accurate doesn't make the novel historically accurate. Dougweller (talk) 06:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're still not giving me a proper reason why this book shouldn't be on this list. You know, I'm not stupid, I get that you don't want this book to be on the list for some kind of prejudgment about the author. But it's a shame. This book is one of the most beautiful books I've ever read and it was written with so much respect and devotion to Jesus. Everyone should read it. It's a shame but I guess is true what people are saying all the time now, that we can't trust in Wikipedia anymore. Goodbye.--NocturneSoul (talk) 14:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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