Talk:Szczecin/Archive 2

message: :I dont suppose anyone could make a sound file of how to pronounce Szczecin correctly? PMA 02:00, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
::Also just out of interest why are Polish placenames spelled differently to how they are pronounced? PMA 02:05, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
:::I believe because in Polish, those spellings are phonetically correct, because the letters have different sounds associated with them.  Just as "Weimar" is pronounced "Vymar", because German consonants and vowels sound different from those of English, in spite of using the same letters. john 03:11, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish spelling

message: What is your opinion on the list of administrative districts? Should it be moved to separate page (List of auxiliary local government districts in Szczecin, perhaps), or removed completely? Now it adds unnecessary clutter to page. Not to mention that those red links will propably never be fixed. Przepla 17:52, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed said list. Investigaton on official city webpage shows that no such districts exists. Modified it to Rady Osiedla, really functioning sub-city self-government. Przepla 20:09, 29 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The list of administrative districts

message: I removed the comment at the beginning. It didn't worked as a discouragement for any further edits of header but also created some controversies, so Ruhrjung felt like it needed correction. As I disagree with that edit and due to reason stated above, I removed it completely. For the record, there is no significant German (or any other,  for that matter) minority in Szczecin. German minority (and German minority MP's) are in the Opole region. Przepla 14:25, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment at the beginning

message: The city name used in Polish is Szczecin in modern spelling, at least since 16th century, although the older spelling was also Sztetyn.
The city name used in English is Szczecin, and because it is a big seaport of interntional significance its name is widely known to English speakers. Please do NOT rename the old Polish city with its temporary German name. Thank you.
PolishPoliticians 04:30, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What its "unofficial and official" name was is beside the point. All that matters in an English encyclopaedia is what it was called in English. The fact that the English name was also the German name is completely and utterly irrelevant. (And it's general Wikipedia policy to give cities the names they were called at the time, rather than the modern name, otherwise we'd be talking about the Eastern Roman Empire based in Istanbul and other such nonsense.) Proteus (Talk) 17:33, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not rename Szczecin 

message: I think we are ready for the final solution of all editing issuses at Wikipedia. 
* Rule 1: User:John Kenney is ALWAYS right.
* Rule 2: if User John Kenney is WRONG apply rule 1.
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:The above section was written by User:PolishPoliticians. Guessing the age of that user is left as an exercise to the reader. Przepla 20:56, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final compromise solution 

message: I redesigned the article by re-ordering sections, making those with more info, more prominent and trying to act according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities. I also reverted to community consensus names of the city in the history section. The sections titles are inspired by Norman Davies' book about Wroclaw Microcosm, Portrait of a Central European City, by Norman Davies and Roger Moorhouse (Jonathan Cape, 2002)  ( – Polish translation). Przepla 20:56, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rationale for changes 

message: Once again are inserted. This list is obviously taken from some historic map. Current list is available here: http://www.szczecin.pl/rada/rady/adres.htm, I shall delete it now. Przepla 15:49, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Naturally User:SzczecinCity is seems to be another sockpuppet of User:PolishPoliticians et consortes. I think this is enough. This person apperently have some Szczecin Travel Guide from the 1970s, and inserting outdated material. He broke history of Dabie, insist on stupid idea of Szczecin-Dabie (see: Talk:SzczecinDabie). Dear User:SzczecinCity whoever you are. Please stop, and start to discuss. If you live in Szczecin, we may even meet at a pub and discuss it. I could even pay for your beer. But please stop, doing those changes.Przepla 16:07, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipal districs 

message: I'd like to make everybody know, that History of Szczecin currently consists exclusively name Szczecin, which is against community consensus, reached here earlier this year. Since my reverts would cause edit war with User:PolishPoliticians, I'd opted to leave it at current state. Please read Talk:History of Szczecin for additional informations. Przepla 13:25, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name debate in [[History of Szczecin]] 

message: Until 1930s a swastika was a glorious symbol of sun used by the ancient Indo-European tribes, but it was profanated by the Nazis. The same applied to Stettin, which wsa profanated by the nazis. Painting Polish cities with these Nazi names is like painting Jewish graves with swastikas. First this is profanation, second this is a criminal offence. PolishPoliticians 20:01, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear User:PolishPoliticians, if you believe that I by supporting the insertion of Stettin into the article committed criminal offence please report me to the Police or Attorney Office. My adress data are available at my home page, and certainly can be found by my cell phone number which is also available there. Since I live in Szczecin, the appropriate District Attorney would be the District Attorney Szczecin-Śródmieście, ul. Wawrzyniaka 14, 70-392 Szczecin, telephone: (91) 4252-807. In short, I call your bluff. You might want to hurry, since after October 1, I am going to be an attorney trainee (without pay), at this or Szczecin-Niebuszewo district. Thank you. Przepla 20:48, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: I thank you for agreeing with my previous arguments -- since you didn't chalenged them. Nevertheless, I am open to resolve current issue via neutral arbitrage. Przepla 20:48, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Could you explain how Stettin was profanated by Nazis? I use Stettin since you use that name instead of only permissible name Szczecin. Przepla 20:48, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Space Cadet wrote: "Formerly" indirectly implies that Szczecin was invented in 1945.. Now I finally understand why is some people against phrase formerly Stettin and why is that Nazi  arguments are brought back again. User:PolishPoliticians: Are you sharing this view? Przepla 20:08, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: St Petersburg (formerly Leningrad) seems to be OK because the city was indded renamed by the Russians. This NOT the case of Szczecin. The city name was always Szczecin, at least for the last 1000 years or so. The problem is the early Latin documents had no 'sh' and 'ch' sounds so the people wrote Stetin/Stitin/Stetyn/Stettin etc. As soon as the Polish language started to be written in the 16th century, the city name was spelled Szczecin and this is the proper city name (1000 years ago and today). PolishPoliticians 22:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nevertheless, Szczecin was called by its inhabitants Stettin for a substantial period. Przepla 23:57, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi symbols and names are criminal offence 

message: # The former English name needs to be bolded and I'm not going to tolerate that it is obscured in any way
# It is important to point out in the introduction that the city was part of Germany until the end of the second world war (note that it didn't live a single Pole in Stettin before the war)
# The city was part of Prussia continously until 1945. "Third Reich" is a Nazi propaganda term, like "the best democracy in the world" or something, not a state different from Germany.
# Ethnic cleasning of all original inhabitants by the Polish communist regime needs to be mentioned. Burschenschafter 00:09, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  @Przepla