Talk:Lucky Luke

message: Who is the new artist, following Morris?
:The series is now called Les aventures de Lucky Luke (The Adventures of Lucky Luke), the first book of which named La Belle Province (The Beautiful Province), by Achdé (painter) and Gerra (scenarist). Plz see the official site. Avia 08:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New artist

message: I propose to not enter into a belo-beligan edit war about whether Morris is Belgian or Flemish. Morris is instead borned in Kortrijk but has worked most of his time in French and lived in Brussels, and mostly at a time where these regional divisions were not that important. So can we keep him as Belgian here too ? Lvr 09:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris: Belgian vs Flemish 

message: Stupidest is really the stupidest way of writing "most stupid", but since it refers to Rantanplan, I let it be for now... 惑乱 分からん 14:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "stupidest" and not "most stupid," considering it's the same way with 'dumb,' and that's a synonym. 146.145.215.131 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're incorrect. You cannot assume synonyms follw the same grammatical rules. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The rule in the English language is that monosyllabic adjectives take the -er/-est comparative and superlative, bisyllabic ones ending in -y the -ier/-iest forms, and all other adjectives form the comparative and superlative with more/most. Consequently, it's stupid - more stupid - most stipid, even though "dumb" takes the forms dumb - dumber -dumbest. There is no rule to the effect that synonyms share the same word forms. SchnitteUK (talk) 12:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Stupidest??

message: Does anybody know the song artist? 141.158.108.77 21:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I always assumed that the song did not really exist. It does now because of the animated series, but I think Morris made up the lyrics.  Thermaland 21:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that Morris was inspired by a song in the comedy western Along Came Jones, having appeared a few years before the comic series. (It's easy to find a copy of the movie online, but I don't know at which part Cooper starts singing the tune.) 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm a Poor Lonesome Cowboy

message: Suggestions for a better way to phrase this?  I take it the intent was to list the real life people that have been portrayed in the series.. so what is Celine Dion doing there?
I think this shouldnt get mixed with the other type of cameo that happened often in LL, when famous actors were placed into character roles (Lee Van Cleef, Jack Palance, WC Fields) but it could be a cool list to include.  --Murgh 00:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Real prototypes of Lucky Luke series characters

message: Lucky Luke comic books ARE best-selling in Continental Europe, and have been for more than 40 years. It is 
Quienes quierais que seais eh mmm ps q digo? Os amo eso es toojust common knowledge. Reprints of albums issued in the 1960s and 1970s are sold everyday not only in bookshops but also in every supermarket of French-speaking Europe (France, French-speaking Belgium and Switzerland). --83.112.229.245 10:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: citing sources and rating importance

message: I somehow doubt that all 31 Dupuis albums were first released in January, and have a feeling that if no month is known, January is added by default. Wouldn't it be better to just give the year without a month if we don't know the month, instead of giving incorrect information? I know that e.g. Bédéthewue gives this info, but I don't think we should copy their default values blindly. Fram 08:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Bedetheque seems to have January by default when they have incomplete date info, so to limit the entries to years-only makes sense to me. Murghdisc. 09:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Months of publication

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message: Is the Lucky Luke category necessary considering that this is the only thing listed? Methinks we should wait until we get separate-yet-related pages to add a category. 146.145.215.131 (talk) 01:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lucky Luke category

message: I don't understand what the end part regarding the Terence Hill movies and tv series is supposed to mean. It says "In 1991, two films (Lucky Luke and Lucky Luke 2) and in 1992 a television series (The Adventures of Lucky Luke) starring Terence Hill as Lucky Luke were produced, according to Morris, who helps the director in the making of." The last part seems completely unconnected to the text preceding it. What is according to Morris? Certainly the mere existence of the movies and series or the involvement of Hill do not need to be credited to what he said. Furthermore I am not entirely sure whether this is supposed to say Morris himself was directly involved in the making of the movie or just in the Making of -feature, and actually the way the text is laid doesn't even make it clear if this is about either of the movies or the series! Hopefully someone who has seen this Making of -feature can clarify this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.189.250 (talk) 20:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear text regarding the movies 

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message: Reuters claimed Maurice was forced to remove cigarettes Luke Luke smokes from his strip.http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200608/23/eng20060823_295966.html Lucky Luke "used to be a heavy smoker, but he had to give up ... for commercial reasons".http://www.thelooniverse.com/strips/luckyluke/luckyluke.html Belgian cartoonist won an award from the World Health Organization in 1988 when he replaced Luke's omnipresent cigarette with a plant. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2006/08/looney_tunes.htmlhttp://www.tv.com/story/5948.html
Lucky Luke episodes contains many ethnic stereotypes of "sneaky" Chinese or "lazy" Mexicans,Native Americans, Irish and Italians, while others claim non-whites are not more stereotyped than some European immigrants like Irish or Italianhttp://www.thelooniverse.com/strips/luckyluke/luckyluke.html and it is usual for an old comic to use such stereotypes. According to the Forbidden Planet (bookstore) correspondent: "They played on the clichés of the genre, with humour that nowadays probably would be considered quite racist (lazy Mexicans, sneaky Chinese), but also with a special sort of being satire, mirroring contemporary social platitudes." http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2009/from-our-continental-correspondent-lucky-luke-is-alive/ In episode L'Héritage de Ran Tan Plan (Ran Tan Plan's inheritance), when the Dalton brothers are hiding in the Chinatown of Virginia City, one of them, in order to "blend with the crowd", starts uttering phrases like "ching-chong-chang-cheng". The leader of the Chinese community there tells him he wouldn't use such raw language even in reference to his worst enemy.  The series doesn't contain black slaves.  http://www.oslofreedomforum.com/cgi-local/fileserver.cgi?s=38
The thing is everyone knows it contains racial stereotypes. lazy Mexicans all around, sneaky Chinese, drunk Irish. It is historically inaccurate too for many cases like Jesse James, actually near all cases. I try to implement all views of the case "while others claim non-whites are not more stereotyped than some European immigrants like Irish or Italian" "and it is usual for an old comic to use such stereotypes" "They played on the clichés of the genre, with humour that nowadays probably would be considered quite racist (lazy Mexicans, sneaky Chinese), but also with a special sort of being satire, mirroring contemporary social platitudes." "in order to "blend with the crowd", starts uttering phrases like "ching-chong-chang-cheng" all characters are stereotyped and characterised, yet "racial stereotypes" are all around. Read Tintin and it is the same. Kasaalan (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is we should mention the stereotypes, yet we shouldn't overrate it as a "pure racism" or so. The racism allegations changed dramatically within the century. Kasaalan (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I basically agree. It's stereotyping, but not necessarily explicit racism. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: *1850 United States: Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 was passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 1850, as part of the Compromise of 1850 between Southern slaveholding interests and Northern Free-Soilers. This was one of the most controversial acts of the 1850 compromise and heightened Northern fears of a 'slave power conspiracy'. It declared that all runaway slaves be brought back to their masters.
*1852 Calamity Jane borned
*1862 Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act)
*1863 United States: Emancipation Proclamation declares those slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Does not include slaves in Border states (American Civil War) [five slave states of Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, and West Virginia, which bordered a free state and were aligned with the Union] and Washington, D.C.
*1865 United States abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution Lincoln and others were concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation would be seen as a temporary war measure, and so, besides freeing slaves in those states where slavery was still legal, they supported the Amendment as a means to guarantee the permanent abolition of slavery.
*1866 Jesse James first bank robbery
*1871 Wyatt Earp got filed
*1873 Doc Holliday becomes travelling
*1874 Calamity Jane took his nickname began action
*1875 Billy The Kidd involves crime
*1881 Calamity Jane got married
*1881 Billy The Kidd killed
*1882 Jesse James killed
*1882 Doc Holliday last actions and illness
*1890 Daltons become outlaw
*1891 Dalton gang first train robbery
*1892 Dalton gang killed
*1916 Jack London died
*1929 Wyatt Earp died
It is sure Lucky Luke has episodes before 1880, possibly much before, between 1860-1880, yet since it is historically inaccurate it should also contain 1890-1892 for daltons. There is no such a certain period for the strips, 1860-1900 for broader extent. Also you claim there were no black in the West following the years of the amendment of abolition. Isn't it unusual no depiction of blacks, while Chinese, Mexican, Irish, Italian are drawn. Kasaalan (talk) 10:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Depictions of black people are fairly common throughout the series, often as butlers and servants, etc. Since it's mainly a humorous series, the issue of slavery is mostly omitted, though. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think these black stereotypes mainly are ethnic humor, per se, but rather a cartoon tradition of drawing afro-americans. In the Franco-Belgian tradition there never was any real objection to the style in itself, and since most Marcinelle/ Spirou artists were heavily cartoon-oriented, they picked the style up from American animation etc. and interpreted it in their cartoon world. So, since Morris tried to draw a cartoon Western, and there were many blacks then working as servants and butlers, he tried to do black cartoon servants, without much deeper meaning to it. The only "ethnic joke" about black people I could think of is in an album where he goes to old Detroit, (where there is a mass-production of wagons and horse carriages) and listens to some black people singing negro spirituals or something in their break hour: "This sounds pretty good, it would probably catch on, someday" or something to that extent. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some comments about the Dalton brothers, the main Dalton brothers in the series are actually the cousins of the original, the original Dalton brothers are shown to be dead in the last pages of the original album. This would mean that these books are actually taking place after 1892, although as been stated before, the series are neither historically accurate nor generally chronological. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know that. We should add the info if it isn't already added. Kasaalan (talk) 11:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Black slaves

message: Your edit was nice, and we shouldn't undue, still want to debate about removal of last 2 paragraphs
     
In episode L'Héritage de Ran Tan Plan (Ran Tan Plan's inheritance), when the Dalton brothers are hiding in the Chinatown of Virginia City, one of them, in order to "blend with the crowd", starts uttering phrases like "ching-chong-chang-cheng". The leader of the Chinese community there tells him he wouldn't use such raw language even in reference to his worst enemy. 
The paragraph more like neutral to me, I copied it from another racism-stereotype related wiki article. Lucky Luke uses phrase, though "The leader of the Chinese community there tells him he wouldn't use such raw language even in reference to his worst enemy." so comic writer is aware such a phrase is an insult. On the other hand if you read ching-chong you can tell there is only a few ching-chong sounds in chinese and misconseption is based on english translations etc. We should add it somehow.
         
Though it should be noted, racial stereotypes does not necessarily equal to racism and racism perception of the world is much more different than it is in early 20th century.
The paragraph is meant to be an explanation of definition of racism within century changed a lot, which balances previous statements. We should include it too. Kasaalan (talk) 13:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, that ching-chong part just seems like a silly joke, and it's given undue weight, I think it suffices to mention that the albums contain stereotypes. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the way I read it (and it is an often used joke in other comics as well) is that a non-Chinese is uttering chinese-like sounds to blend in, but unknowingly says someting rude (e.g. the Chinese equivalent of "your mother is a ..."). I don't believe that the author was aware that "ching-chong" in itself is a racial insult, it's just an easy way to indicate Chinese to us Westerners (just like many comics used to add "os" to every other word to indicate Spanish, e.g. "Los Beatlos, mucho popular bandos from Espana". No insult is intended with these stereotypes and jokes, which doesn't mean that they may not happen to be insulting anyway. Fram (talk) 06:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I assumed "The leader of the Chinese community there tells him he wouldn't use such raw language even in reference to his worst enemy" part indicating writer knows it is an insult for Chinese, and actually tells not to do it. So actually it might also be reverse of insulting warning others, though I am not sure. Kasaalan (talk) 11:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think it much more likely that the joke is that the Daltons, making up what they think is nonsense Chinese, accidentally use a very insulting phrase in Chinese. That's much funnier than anything suggested so far (still not very funny though). With comics it's usually best to assume that the writer was trying to be funny. DJ Clayworth (talk) 20:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way he is aware it is an insult, since he draws a Chinese guy telling "he wouldn't use such raw language even in reference to his worst enemy". But I am neutral for that strip, he might think it is funny, or just draw a "a dalton" would use such a phrase. So reporting issue as it is might be best solution. I don't like to undue weight, but it is a nice example strip. So I am not sure whether we should include it or not. However Franco-Belgian comics used to include that kind of racial cliches back then, some issues of Tin Tin couldn't be published without self-censoring today. I assume the racial stereotypes especially against blacks and asians, is because France and Belgium used to mandate many small countries in the past and even in 21st century. Kasaalan (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Racial stereotypes undue

message: "Except for the first album, Lucky Luke has never killed any opponent but still, he seemed to carry along a heavy burden, never committing to anything or anybody, and always riding off into the sunset."
This is a direct quote from somewhere, but it's actually wrong. Luke shoots and kills Phil Defer at the end of the 8th book. It's actually quite surprising especially if you're used to the later albums where you wouldn't imagine him doing something like that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.157.155.247 (talk) 16:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems incorrect. Defer only gets hurt in his shoulder. He does look very still, though, so it's possible the comment was added later and the story was toned down by the editor Dupuis. The second story in the album, which feels somewhat like a High Noon parody, follows a bumbling half-blind sheriff (not Lucky Luke himself) shooting down a whole band of gangsters, though, but it's told in a context of a campfire yarn, so that might have been one reason for its excuse. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that Phil Defer was killed in the original Le Moustique publication (this episode not in Spirou), but it was censored for album publication. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phil Defer 

message: I'm going to revert this. First of all, it's not even true that we generally don't do appearance lists. Our Sherlock Holmes article lists every story he's in, so does the Mrs Marple article (with Mrs Marple appearances, obviously). The Superman character even has a seperate article for this - List of Superman comics. Also, they're not just “appearances”, each of them is a seperate book. If the list has become too bulky, it's possible to move it to a seperate article and we'd then only link to it here, but I don't see a reason to delete it. --Six words (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of bibliography 

message: Napoleon was long dead before that time. The character called l'Empereur Smith in the story by that name is not based on the french emperor himself but rather on Joshua Norton. 
The latter is correctly mentioned in the list of Real-life persons who appeared in Lucky Luke. I suggest that Napoleon be removed from that list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.7.21.69 (talk) 04:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree unless anyone could verify this. --Oddeivind (talk) 21:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Napoleon has appeared in ''Lucky Luke'' ? 

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message: I was wondering if the newest album Statue Squaw (number 82) should really be counted as part of Lucky Luke collected editions. I believe this album belongs to the spin off series Kid Lucky. Coming to think of it, this also applies to albums 78 and 80. --Slubbislen (talk) 13:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for flagging that up.  The whole Kid Lucky business needs adding as well - working on it now. Mezigue (talk) 13:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Added actor Sidney Greenstreet to real-life caricatures. Kid Lucky albums seem to have crept up again in the list.--82.221.53.156 (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kid Lucky? 

message: It is claimed that outlaw Pistole Pete in the album En remontant le Mississippi is a caricature of American actor Lee Marvin. Some other sources claim Pete is a caricature of American actor James Coburn. To me Pete bears a stronger resemblance to Coburn, but others could disagree. Can someone clarify? --82.221.53.156 (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they had the same sort of mouth so he resembles both.  I would probably lean towards Marvin, but who knows?  ERLM came out the year after The Magnificent Seven, co-starring James Coburn as a cool gunslinger.  He might have merged them as a type for all we know. Mezigue (talk) 13:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point. I recently posted an article on ERLM on the Icelandic Wikipedia, keeping both options open. --82.221.53.156 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  In any case, everything should be sourced on Wikipedia and there are few or no reliable sources on this so I have removed the section here.  Mezigue (talk) 15:09, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe there are some reliable sources, like the coverage on Morris on Comiclopedia (lambiek.net), article by Kure and Milton in En stakkels, ensom cowboy (published in Scandinavia) and many published sources in French. According to Comiclopedia, Pistole Pete is a caricature of James Coburn. --82.221.53.156 (talk) 10:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee Marvin or James Coburn? 

message: I find it strange that singer Celine Dion has been added to this section since she is born in 1968 and thus wasn't around in the times of the old west. She is however one of many examples of famous people being caricatured in the series, like for example actors John Wayne, Kirk Douglas and Elizabeth Taylor. --82.221.53.156 (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: She has appeared as Céline (without Dion) with her husband, and yes it's strange. Mostly bad writing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.190.71.112 (talk) 22:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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message: I think the article Lucky Luke (1983 TV series) needs to be created. --2601:2C0:C280:1720:DC7E:9097:5FA8:578F (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it up on myself to create that page, with that two things are fixed, its about the only Hanna-Barbera series which didn'T have seperate page article. second a special topic that don't rely belong on the main Lucky Luke page could then be removed. DoctorHver (talk) 04:51, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: The main article states, linking to what seems to be a good source, that Goscinny started writing for Lucky Luke as early as 1955, with what would be collected into the 9th book "Des rails sur la Prairie". But the physical copies of the books themselves contradict this; every book until the 18th, "A L'Ombre des Derricks", states only "Texte et illustrations de MORRIS". No other name seems to appear. It's not until the 19th book, "Les Rivaux de Painful Gulch", that this changes to "Dessins de MORRIS / Scénario de R. GOSCINNY". Could anyone elucidate? The source for the main article (http://bdoubliees.com/journalspirou/annees/1955.htm) seems as factual and genuine as you could hope to get, but the books themselves contradict it...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.170.24 (talk) 10:11, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it took Goscinny a while to receive official credits. I remember that one early story , I think it might have been "Des rails sur la Prairie" had some page(s) signed with "R.G.", René Goscinny's initials, but since it could be phonetically mixed up with Belgian superstar Hergé, Goscinny was told to avoid that for the future. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification. FWIW I think that sounds very interesting and is worth adding to the main article if someone can source it. Cheers!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.170.24 (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked through "Des rails sur la Prairie" in an anthology now. Several pages are signed by "Morris + R.G." as unofficial credit throughout the story, but it wasn't continued, where the similarity to "Hergé" was the reason given in the anthology. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Goscinny wrote all the stories starting with "Des rails sur la prairie" until his death in 1977 with the exception of the 10th book. Thus books 1-8 and 10 were written by Morris alone. This is in accordance with information on the official Lucky Luke website. In my copy of book 15, L'Evasion des Dalton, Goscinny is credited for text. --85.220.124.22 (talk) 08:28, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of them. Alerte aux Pieds Bleus was written by Morris, himself. For the rest of the period, even the short stories appear to have been written by Goscinny. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: I have corrected the text on the original publication of Lucky Luke. Arizona 1880 first appeared in the french version of Spirou in October 1946. This is clear from Christelle and Bertrands Lucky Luke The Complete Collection 1, published in 2019. Slubbislen (talk) 10:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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