Talk:Llama/Archive 1

message: There are many useful tips on breeding in this article, which may of be scientific value. The problem is it's not written to be scientifically useful, it's written like a guide for llama breeders, which Wikipedia is not. I attempted to clean up some of it, taking out the personal asides and "cute" quips, but the trade vernacular and casual writing style needs a big overhaul. --The reverend 07:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Breeding

message: Does that link to the llama song need to be there? Samuel 15:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. —Tokek 14:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: llama song

message: On your Internet page you make reference to Gregory (F. Gregorius) de Bolivar. 
I also ran into this traveller in Schröder's pharmacopeia of 1685. He allegedly crossed the equator seven times. 
Was unable to find any information on this person, not even in the British Library. The F in front of his name seems to indicate that he was a Jesuite.
Do you have any information on printed works where you got your information from?
borberg@pacbell.net
—Preceding unsigned comment added by  63.199.228.66  (talk • contribs)  17:41, 29 October 2002
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*The article also lacks reference to Camas. Pictureuploader 01:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 

message: I believe Francisco Pizarro's contact with the llamas is mentioned in William H. Prescott's "The Conquest of Peru" Chapter IV, so if anyone needs to make the citation, you can look up the book at http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/hcpru10a.txt . --Dynamax 23:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish conquest and the llama 

message: Why exactly does Noga redirect to Llama? The S 03:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Noga

message: Are llama truly considered as having a Cloven-hoof, which is what it seems to say here? Thanks -- 63.226.38.196 03:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cloven-hoof]]

message: I think all these references serve to illustrate that "llama" is (or seems to me to be) a perfect example of an inherently funny word. Maybe we should make a reference to this somewhere amidst all the llama jokes. —EatMyShortz 17:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I enjoy hanging out in the pasture with the llamas and a good book under the tree.  They come and check out what I'm doing and hang out with me for a while.  They are incredibly curious critters.  To me, they are very soothing in the stature and nature. Rboesen 16:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on, they're horse-shaped bunnies. What could be funnier than that? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inherently funny word 

message: What do they eat? Just curious. I usually go to wikipedia to find these sorts of facts and was surprised to find this page lacking. 65.213.77.129 18:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Llamas tyically eat just grass and plants in the wild. In a zoo or as a pet they will eat alfalfa hay, lick salt, and llama chow. I put this info into the article, but someone deleted it.
If someone would like to know more info on llamas, just write your questions here. I will answer them. (I am a llama expert). --Daffy100 00:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llama Diet 

message: I've never heard of this before...Can anyone confirm this, or is it pure speculation? Phelan 22:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llamas are used as golf caddies 

message: The term LLaMa is also used to distinguish the players of a certain style of the Sports Interactive football management sim "Football Manager".
The term "Lower League Managers" was coined when the Forum known as "Crap Manager City" was expelled from the Sports Interactive Messageboard circa 1999 and the webmasters recognised a need for a Forum for such players to congregate and communicate on.
LLaMas, formed from the acronym LLM...Lower League Managers, play the game straight from the box, with the latest Sports Interactive patch installed, and without using tips, cheats, editors or anything other than their own mettle they take a lowly team, from the lowest playable division from any given nation to success...or failure...over games lasting as long as 150 seasons or more, although 30+ seasons is a more normal number.
A llama known as Frank is recognised as their spiritual leader and has been known to spit death at non-believers.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added to Llama by 85.241.75.177 (talk • contribs) .
Did someone vandalize the llama behavior section?
Should there be any discussion (or a disambiguation page) for the computer gamer slang 'llama'? Karlkatzke 01:27, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football Manager "LLaMa" 

message: i love the way you say llama. anyway, wot is the difference between llamas and alpacas? isnt one of them bigger. so , im very sorry to everyone that i have insulted by not knowing, but its something i have always wanted to know and nobody has ever told me!--
thnks leila/kat
Llamas are larger then their alpaca cousins.  They both are camelids and have many of the same behaviors.  In the US, alapcas are very expensive.  However, it is commonly known that this price bubble will not last.  Also, llamas are more versatile then most alpacas.  Llamas are used for more then just their fiber which is now in many regards just as good as alpaca fiber.  Llamas are used for packing up trails, pulling carts and kids show them in llama shows throughout the US.  The largest region for llama shows in the Michigan / Ohio area - although you can find them just about anywhere in the US. Rboesen 18:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Llamas are also more aggressive than alpacas. I would know... -- TheGreatLlama (speak to the Llama!) 00:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true.  However, the way you state your subject, one may think llamas are these huge predators or such.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Llamas are typically territorial but can also bond to sheep flocks to guard them against coyotes.  But, the wary Guard llama does not have a chance against a pack of dogs or wolves.  I compare alpacas to sheep and llamas to cats when trying to explain the difference in personalities to those who do not know the difference.  Oh - I should know, too. Rboesen 12:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  llama-ry sort of things... 

message: I'm going to try citing some sources in this article. Anyone, feel free to help... --The Great Llama(speak to the Llama!) 23:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cite 

message: Well selective breeding is when farmers get certain animals to mate in order to get the best quality young they can. 
Many people believe this is tampering with nature and should not be done. If you agree with these people then contact them and arrange to meet. 
HELP! Selective breeding is cruel. How would you like it if you have to mate with someone you do not like or even know.
:You know, this really isn't all that cruel. In the wild, an animal often mates with the first other animal of its species that it comes across, or risk not mating at all. In a herd situation (to my understanding, llamas are herd animals), that may very well be with one of its own relatives (the alternative being to look for a new herd, and with predators like cougars running around, that just ain't safe). Often in animals, the strongest male has sole breeding rights--so a female llama wouldn't have a choice anyway. At least with selective breeding, the farmer can ensure that the baby will be healthier, by coming from unrelated parents that don't have health issues like diseases or heart murmurs. That isn't being cruel, it's being considerate. 71.217.114.221 19:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't mean to criticize, but you will avoid formatting mishaps if you start with a colon ":" character to indent the text, and then keep typing until end of paragraph. It is not necessary to press Enter at the end of every line. Phaedrus86 21:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selective Breeding 

message: A noteworthy holiday in Midlothian, Virginia (a few miles outside of Richmond, Virginia) is Llama Appreciation Day, celebrated by the students of Midlothian High School yearly on October 8th. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randomdramaguy (talk • contribs) 22:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llama Appreciation Day 

message: In my opinion, this article should reference Llama Hiking but it should not be merged.  Ideally, we would remove some other information from this article and break it out as well.  For example, I think notable Llamas should be broken out into its own article and return this article back to just about the animal and not the extra topics that surround it. Just my thoughts. Rboesen 13:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Llama Hiking 

message: LLamas eat grass hay and graze for grass, and weeds.  Mostly anything that grows in a field.  American Owners often give them a special grain that gives them special nutrients that is lacking in American soil.
I would have to say that a llama's favorite food is Alfalfa.  They will run at top speeds towards you at just a hint of alfalfa on your cloths.  They get so happy when they get to eat alfalfa they swing their heads around and leap in the air.    The problem with alfalfa is that it cause a problem called clumping.  Llama offal (poop) is like rabbit droppings.  it's called Llama beans.  Except when they eat alfalfa, which causes the llama beans to stick together before it comes out.  It's harder for the llamas to go number 2 when a the llama beans have "clumped" into a mass the size of a medium pine cone.
So do a llama a favor, a don't give them alfalfa.  
As for the llama hiking page, I feel that it should stay separate, but have a reference in the See Also section of the Llama info page.  Hiking with llamas is a specialty, as is carting with llamas.  
207.118.101.174 03:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llamas love to eat... 

message: I remember a song from Seasame Street when I was young (late 1970's early 1980's) about a boy and his llama going to the dentist.  I don't know if they still air that or not though.
68.166.53.26 21:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llamas in pop culture - Another song 

message: Why are llams such good guards for Alpacas
:That's a good question.  Llamas act as the "big buddy" to the herd.  Due to the llama's size compared to the alpacas, generally, the llama will act as the alpha within the herd.  This is over simplified for brevity and to answer your question.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 12:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llamas 

message: Someone has vandalized this page.  I doubt Llamas migrated to Antarctica, and I don't think they reach 79.8 feet.
72.64.180.101 22:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it was vandalism.  It is a common activity of anon IPs to vandalize this page.  Thank you for noting the problem.  The vandalism has been reverted.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 12:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's a problem here. 

message: I doubt llamas weigh 294564632 lb (76156163213 k) (not exactly what it says, but whatever.) It's protected, too.
Kaaos 16:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for protecting the page.  It is a common target, unfortunately.  I reverted the vandalism by Hiohio and left him a warning.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 17:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected Vandalism 

message: I should like to restore this quotation and link since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and and should consider all issues relevant to a heading.While literature may be a less immediately obvious topic in the entry for the llama than its biology and economics it is nevertheless a perfectly valid oneand people looking for the poem may well start by consulting this article.
My literary instincts say that it would do well as a forward, in italics, before the main text, in the way that many books use quotations as chapter headings.
Do people feel that this position is appropriate in Wikipaedia, and if not where should I place it?If it is not to be a heading quotation should I print the whole (short - 14 lines) poem, which is long out of copyright?
--JMBryant 08:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that a poem such as this would be better placed in the Poetry article or otherwise similar article with a reference back to the Llama article.  We can also place an entry under See also once the poem is sited.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 15:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Llama" - Hilaire Belloc's Poem 

message: I'm planning on replacing the current infobox image. The technical quality is not that good, the composition is not good either (why an image you can't see the whole animal?) and the whole "llamas in water" thing is a little odd. Not exactly the most natural of poses. VanTucky (talk) 23:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the new picture.  It is definitely an improvement.  You couldn't even see the conformation of the llamas in the previous picture.  I don't know where the last picture was from but it was probably from a zoo or something similar.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 12:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: VanTucky, I was looking at your image more closely and noted cactus in the background.  Although I do not want to revert the image, I do feel that this image give the wrong impression considering they originate from the Andes.  Do you have another image that may be more reprentative?  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 18:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have clarified it by adding a caption making it clear that the llama in question is Argentine. The intro makes it very clear that the animal is of Andean origin, so I seriously doubt there is a reasonable possibility of confusion now. VanTucky (talk) 18:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox image 

message: Substituted at 21:22, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: "The name "llama" has been used for a wide variety of descriptions for people and items alike within general computing and gaming industries. Within some computing environments, the label "llama" has been derogatory indicating a person with little knowledge and new to the environment. Acronyms have been spelled similarly to llama and thus pronounced as llama. The llama has proved to be quite popular among some simulation games."
While I agree with this, it's unsourced, and I'd really like to know why this happened. I mean, did it start with the Winamp llama? (Hi, I'm new here :D) 203.84.183.194 (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: or how about how llamas made a Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail? 98.206.155.53 (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Sims series mentions llamas a lot. There was a llama costume that some characters wore, llama statues, llama pictures, bushes shaped like llamas etc and one of the local sports teams mentioned in the games was called the Llamas. I believe there have been references to Llamas in all 3 main Sims games and most likely some of the expansion packs. Zeb 09:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture? 

message: I'd like to alter the lead/intro along the lines of my recently reverted attempt - clean and tidy up. Also I'd like to have a go at tidying up some of the crusty stuff in the main body - old stuff from the EB1911 by the way it reads. My guess is that a lot of it is outdated, and the good stuff needs supporting wiki-links and/or references. 
Particularly interested in knowing what other believe to be definitely out-of-date (i.e. wrong or questionable) in the current version. With all of this I'll try to ensure that I'm not throwing out the good with the bad - so will come here for guidance if needed.
Snori (talk) 04:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read your previous edit and agree that the article needs some attention.  But, I disagree with the removal of large chunks of material from the current intro.  However, if there's a style you're following or something similar, please post a link or two.  --BlindEagletalk~contribs 13:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

message: I don't see any thing about llama lovers which is rather sad. Someone should change this!Zedvinerasturi (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Where llama organizations?

message: I see the height at the head, but aren't animal heights usually given at the shoulder? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: Most of this article is good, but I have some big problems with the first two sections. They often refer to the llama originating in North America. This isn't quite accurate. Camelids originated there. Llamas were domesticated from Guanacos long after they migrated to South America. Several places, the word llama should be replaced with camelid. Much of the second section describes camelids, and really belongs in the camelid article. From reading the article, its easy to get the impression that the llama is a wild animal. This needs to be cleaned up. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llama origins 

message: My llama has eye lashes, so the 'commonly unknown' fact about eyelashes is not true.
Yes, contrary to the page at present, llamas do have eyelashes. It's clear from looking at them. And here is a source on the anatomy of the llama eye that confirms it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robsears (talk • contribs) 22:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  llama eyelashes 

message: This article should mention that eventual variety that Mapuches of Chile used, and that indians of Mocha Island have been reported to use as drag animals. Dentren | Talk 23:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chilihueques variety

message: The line "Commonly unknown, llamas do not have eyelashes. However, their cousin the alpaca does," needs to be removed. I have been raising llamas for over 10 years and I know for a fact that llamas do have eyelashes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvorous (talk • contribs) 16:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  llama and eyelashes... 

message: In the paragraph about baby lamas (Cria) it is stated that lamas produce 60 ml or 0.0021 oz of milk at a time. However 60 ml equals a little over 2 oz and 0.0021 oz is equal to 0.0621044121 ml. This needs to be edited with the correct amounts. I know nothing about lamas and a quick search of the net produced nothing obvious but I would assume that the production would be 60 ml or greater. Carlanw (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion Error? 

message: I have no idea what so ever... but if any1 has any thoughts on the difference you can just add on to this and I will double check it later.--Savena012 (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the difference between a llama and an alpaka?!? 

message: Large sections of this article read like a "howto" on llama breeding.  Wikipedia is not a "howto".--345Kai (talk) 06:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to breed llamas 

message: I searched wiki for llamas because I wanted to know where they were native to (today). Seems like a simple/rational thing to want to know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.108.144 (talk) 02:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What countries are Llamas currently native to? 

message: This might be of interest for the article. British Museum page BBC webpage. It's just over 2" high hence the slightly blurred photo. 86.147.163.85 (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inca gold llama 

message: Please change
:Meanwhile, North American camelids died out at the end of the Pleistocene.
to
:Meanwhile, North American camelids died out at the end of the Pleistocene.
Thank you. User:Dalit Llama 17:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. Is it okay? —Stephen (talk) 17:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you. Dalit Llama (talk) 17:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request by Dalit Llama

message: The EOD has "A South American ruminant quadruped, Auchenia llama", not Lama Glama. It gives glama as an 18th century variant. However, Britannica agrees with the article. Do we know why they differ? Myrvin (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have emailed the OED and await their answer. Myrvin (talk) 06:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

text: The OED say:The entry for llama in the complete OED has not yet been revised to take account of the clarification of its nomenclature during the 20th century. The llama (along with the guanaco, alpaca, and vicuna) was originally placed in the genus Camelus by Linnaeus (1758) ("Camelus peruvianus Glama dictus"), and moved to the genus Lama by Cuvier (1800, following Frisch 1775). The alternative name Auchenia was proposed by Illiger in 1811, adopted by Cuvier in his Animal Kingdom (1817), and thence used consistently by most authors throughout the 19th century. This is reflected in the OED's entry. However, it is not in fact valid, since the name had previously been used for a genus of beetle (Auchenia Thunberg 1789). The current correct name for the llama is indeed Lama glama, but this was not clearly established until after the OED entry had been published, and this kind of detailed correction was not practical when the OED Second Edition was prepared. The correction will be made during revision of the entry, at which point 20th- and 21st-century examples of the word llama in use will also be added. Myrvin (talk) 07:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lama Glama 

message: This picture shows a quite "fictional" range which is far way form being true.
What's the source of the data used to make that image?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CasperBraske (talk • contribs) 09:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and logged in just to comment on this. The range shown in the picture includes all of Argentina and even Uruguay, southern Brazil and part of Paraguay. No llamas can be found in those areas except in zoos. I would strongly suggest that picture to be deleted if a more accurate one can't be made and substituted, as the information in it is misleading. In the meantime, I have added the dubious tag to the picture's caption. --UrsoBR (talk) 13:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llama range (picture) 

message: Unless somebody gives a proper explation on the why of the semiproction of this page here on the talk, I request that this page should be unprotected. Administrators protecting pages are obliged to explain and justify such actions. Chiton magnificus (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason given for the semi-protection is persistent vandalism. (see the page's logs). Given that the vandalism has been going on for years whenever the protection was removed, I don't think it's a good idea to remove it. - Lindert (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree indefinite semi-protection is a bit excessive here. While currently similar articles such as Pig, Dog, Cat, Sheep, etc. are also undergoing indefinite semi, I think this is not a great situation. This article is not Featured or as high quality as some others, so let's see what kind of signal to noise ratio we get by unprotecting for now. Steven Walling • talk  22:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Okay, our little experiment proved a point. In the few hours I left this unprotected, there were already 4-5 pieces of vandalism. Steven Walling • talk  00:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove protection

message: The word "llama" comes from Quechua; in Aymara language they call it "qawra".
References:
http://books.google.cat/books?id=opV3KWim1XsC&lpg=PA213&ots=BVlXBJEBXo&dq=qawra%20aymara%20llama&hl=ca&pg=PA215#v=snippet&q=qawra&f=false
http://www.guidebolivia.com/pratique/gb_quechua_aymara.htm
http://www.aymara.org/biblio/diccio_tarapaca.pdf
JollyJumperJJ (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More names 

message: As a llama owner I can confirm that their fibre is indeed referred to as fibre and not wool.
I question the comment about llamas not being able to put out their tongues more than half an inch.  I agree that you don't see a llama tongue out of its mouth often, but I can give you a photograph of a llama with its tongue a couple of inches out of its mouth. 
2.27.64.57 (talk) 21:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on fibre and tongues