Talk:Arab–Israeli conflict/Archive 4

message: Yeah they were not against people ‘directly’ but they were against ‘non-combat’ (owners of the property) and I can refer to many places where they are even refered as terrorism.
* Wikipedia:Words to avoid It says 
:: ’Participants in the Boston Tea Party would be considered "terrorists" by British standards at the time’
*on List of terrorist incidents it says
::The Boston Tea Party was one of the first colonists' rebellious acts of the American Revolution. Today, the FBI classifies this as an act of terrorism, under destruction of property for purposes  of political coercion.
So it doesn’t refer to ‘killing of people’ but use of ‘voilance/force against non-Combats’ . A general category which includes both ‘killing of people’, ‘hurting them’ and ‘destruction of their property’.
So please add that again (I don’t want to add my self due to bad english :-(
Zain 11:22, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston Tea part and &#8216;violence against non-combats&#8217; / &#8216;terrorism&#8217; 

message: here is a purposal but please once agreed it will be applied to ALLL. and won't change until decided with concensus.
:I'll say that claims headings can be negative but shouldn't be abusive.
yeah i agree line can't be drawn. but it will help remove things 'son of ...' in headers.
Zain 03:51, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  A suggestion on arbitrary limit 

message: Zain, 3rd request:  Please provide a reference source for these claims that you added, or else they are liable to be removed: 
::Many Muslims assert that Jews were treated better by Muslims than by other rulers who persecuted them. This resulted in the migration of Jews (especially those fleeing the Spanish Inquisition) to the Ottoman Empire, including the present-day region of Israel and surrounding areas. Had the Muslim treatment of Jews been worse than the treatment Jews received in Europe, these Muslims argue, Jews would have left Muslim areas, just as they left Nazi Germany and Russia, instead of migrating in. As these Muslims see it, Palestinians are paying the price for their forefathers' failure to see that Jewish migration might one day lead to the creation of an independent Jewish state.
Jewbacca 06:44, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
That link does not address the following claims which are still without reference:
*Many Muslims assert that Jews were treated better by Muslims than by other rulers who persecuted them.
**Who are these "Many muslims"?
*Had the Muslim treatment of Jews been same as the treatment Jews received in Europe, these Muslims argue, Jews would have left Muslim areas, just as they left Nazi Germany and Russia, instead of migrating in.
**Who are "these Muslims"?
*As these Muslims see it, Palestinians are paying the price for their forefathers' failure to see that Jewish migration might one day lead to the creation of an independent Jewish state.
**Who are "these Muslims"?
Please provide references. Jewbacca 07:38, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
:You asked me to link I linked.
:*well treatment jews under muslims that link is also provided in the section which tells about well treatment.
:*paying priceI gave the link which you removed without telling why it is not relevent?
:So I answer both of your question by linking directly. So please again revert the changes which you have made.
:And it is claim. not a fact I have only to show some body claiming it that's all. If you disagree with that claim. write in response.
::Provide references to articles, journal citations, books about the "Muslims" you cite.  There are spaces above under the three questions I posed to you.  Linking to images of dead Palestinians does not answer the questions above. Jewbacca 08:12, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
:::Zain, that's not an unfair request. I suggest that you come to the party with your sources, otherwise your information is liable to be taken out after a day or two due to lack of proper attribution. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:42, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Mustafaa.  Could you please help Zain understand what the difference is between linking words in a section, and actually providing evidence that "many Muslims" hold a specific viewpoint? Jayjg 16:25, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agreed to how many, probably you havne't read earlier talk. I said for me it doesn't matter that what u write with it, few rare, non-existant, only one whatever. This was not a problem with me. I provided refrences to muslim claiming this. So if you like to say they are few you could have edited and wrote few.
Zain 01:42, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zain, please provide a reference 

message: In my quest to find resources of my ‘original work’ I found some other resources which can destroy the argument of minorities in Israel. Because this one is upto the level of ministries, and a general trend by all jewish society.
Like is http://www.mediamonitors.net/ahmadsublaban11.html
And ofcourse the worst more 'terrorist' muslims were taliban we can compare both that can be confirmed even by jewish resources http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Afghanistan.html
Mustafa can u add it in ur english :) or slim can u help me in it.
And also don’t forget to see my 'orignal work' using negative ‘logic logic’.
Zain 19:24, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  minority argument waiting to be destroyed