Talk:Swedish alphabet

message: Moved off main page:
<TABLE BORDER CELLSPACING=1 CELLPADDING=2>
 SwedishBritish  EnglishAmerican  English
AAdamAlfredAlfa
BBertilBenjaminBravo
CCesarCharlesCharlie
DDavidDavidDelta
EErikEdwardEcho
FFilipFrederickFoxtrot
GGustavGeorgeGolf
HHelgeHarryHotel
IIvarIsaacIndia
JJohanJackJuliett
KKalleKingKilo
LLudvigLondonLima
MMartinMaryMike
NNiklasNellieNovember
OOlofOliverOscar
PPetterPeterPapa
QQuintusQueenQuebec
RRudolfRobertRomeo
SSigurdSamuelSierra
TToreTommyTango
UUrbanUncleUniform
VViktorVictorVictor
WWilhelmWilliamWhiskey
XXerxesX-rayX-ray
YYngveYellowYankee
ZZätaZebraZulu
ÅÅkeAlfred OliverAlfa Oscar
ÄÄrligAlfred EdwardAlfa Echo
ÖÖstenEdward OliverEcho
</TABLE>
I did originally put it on the main page, but I think that there is a better place for itfor somewhere else. Feel free to move it to another article. -- Mic
: Looks like a phonetic alphabet. There are various, separate, phonetic alphabet articles on wikipedia. We could make of collection of these and add this one to it.  Kosebamse 13:33 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
:: The international one is at NATO phonetic alphabet -- Egil 13:49 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
Do all of these names need to be linked?  I don't care much either way; I run across this list every now and then while disambiguating, and I don't imagine someone looking at phonetic alphabets would need to jump to Zulu.  (Then again, maybe it would pique their interest.) Catherine
:The list should serve as reference and I don't feel that it needs to be linked. -- Mic
It seems that there is something missing in the American English column for the last item (Ö).  Also, what prevents a misunderstanding of the last three between AO/Å, AE/Ä, and EO(?)/Ö when actually spoken?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.104.235 (talk) 09:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: I am NOT supporting the addition of w to the swedish alphabet because it would only be used in foreign loans and could be replaced with v or l quite easily 
86.144.110.47 19:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you taking this up here? Complain at the Swedish Academy. @_@ (By the way, "l"?) 惑乱 分からん 16:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that the Swedish Academy is not the regulatory body of the Swedish language, even though its opinions are generally influential. We'll have to wait and see whether other dictionaries will follow the SAOL. --Salleman 13:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: W has been used the Swedish language, so has Q. 85.225.241.200 (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  W 

message: Hello, everybody, I want to ask a question. Can we replace the 3 Swedish alphabets å, ä, and ö with aa (like Ståhlberg to Staahlberg), ae (like Vänern to Vaenern), and oe (like Öst to Oest)? Thx. --AFP 13:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean, replace? Moving Wikipedia articles? I definitively say moving articles is a bad idea, we have redirects for that. 惑乱 分からん 22:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Swedish shall be written with å,ä,ö. To replace them with something like aa,ae,oe or a,a,o or something else is not good swedish, considered ugly and wrong. Sometimes Swedes visit other countries and write into internet guestbooks using foreign keyboards using these replacements, it does not look very nice. -- BIL (talk) 19:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Depends; å, Å, ä, Ä, ö & Ö most be written as å, Å, ä, Ä, ö & Ö, but sometimes there are problems, if the height of Å, Ä & Ö exceeds the height of the label it is printed on to lower case (å, ä & ö) is sometimes used (in which case I recommend bigger labels). Sometimes (yes, again on labels... always labels) å, ä, ö, ü, é & à cannot be printed do to lack of support of umlauts (non-Swedish printing device.), in this case it is standard to write aa for å, ae for ä, oe for ö and I believe ue or y for u. É and À are diacritics and is written as E and A. If it is possible to write å, ä & ö, å, ä & ö should be written, it might be hard to read longer texts otherwise. 85.225.241.200 (talk) 22:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say that we Swedes never write "aa" instead of "å", "ae" instead of "ä" or "oe" instead of "ö"! Never! But we can write Staahlberg and other names if. 15:30 29 October 2013 (CEST) in Sweden ;)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.211.69 (talk) 14:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: My question

message: The article shows the last seven letters of the alphabet are "W, X, Y, Z, Å, Ä, Ö".  I don't think this is right.  I believe that W was placed at the end, so the sequence should be "X, Y, Z, Å, Ä, Ö, W".  I'm not sure where to verify that.   Randall Bart    Talk   11:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article uses SAOL order. Who places the W at the end of the alphabet? --Futhark|Talk 12:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thw Swedish alphabet shall end with "W, X, Y, Z, Å, Ä, Ö".  This is the only offical order. I grew up in Sweden. -- BIL (talk) 18:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When you grew up, "W" was an alternate form of "V", now it's a separate letter.  I recall reading about two years ago when "W" was promoted that it would go at the end after "Ö".  It appears that's not the case, but that's what I thought.    Randall Bart    Talk   04:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: W was often included after V, often excluded, never placed last. Who has written that 'W' shall be sorted in last position??  Are you Swedish? -- BIL (talk) 14:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah i have always learnt W after V (yes even more than 10 years ago). But it would be fun to read it where they said it would go last. -Kaddkaka (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical order 

message: First, I removed 'rs' from the list of spellings - while I'm sure somebody somewhere merges it with the sj-sound, it's most commonly pronounced as [ʂ] (voiceless retroflex fricative), quite different from the velar or velarized sj.
Second, can someone tell me what, if anything, 'á' means? Neither I nor my dictionary recognizes the word. Orcoteuthis (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 'rs' and 'á'

message: The only word I have heard of these in swedish is squash. I have never heard quesadilla and have no idea what it means... -Kaddkaka (talk) 17:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quesadilla is a type of Mexican food, since it denotes a specific type of food, the word was loaned. (Another example could be "queer", and possibly "quarterback", althpugh american football isn't a very popular sport in Sweden.) 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 23:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q 

message: Garage and prestige is, as far as I know, almost only pronounced with the "tje"-sound. Moberg (talk) 19:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not by me... :o Mike (talk) 13:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Me neither, although there's probably variation around the country. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad examples (prestige and garage)

message: One of the major things one wants to know about a writing system is the relationship between the letters and the sounds of the language. This information is missing from this article and is not found in the writing system section of the article on the language either. Some special cases are discussed, but the topic is not discussed in general.Bill (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing information

message: However, there is also a village with a sje-phoneme called Spraxkya a few miles from the city Borlänge. But I don't know if it's notable enough to include in this article. Vivo (talk) 20:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's still argued about what the name originally meant. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xky 

message: On my computer this article is almost unreadable due to a strange sign (looks chinese). I havn't seen anything like it on any other Wikipedia article. Can theese signs be removed (or must I install all languages, I use XP pro.) ??? Boeing720 (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like you have the wrong encoding. Check out the settings on your browser and choose "Unicode". 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Probably a font issue - the chosen character is unavailable in most fonts. Notably the stock Windows fonts don't have it, whilst whatever the default is on this Linux machine renders it correctly. I reverted it to using plain old single quotes, but this is not the ideal situation because 1. it was the correct symbol and 2. other pages discussing orthography use the same one. I haven't altered any other pages in a similar fashion. Wikipedia:IPA says to use ‹angle brackets›, which have wider font support, however there are other conventions including italics a::nd single quotes. Having edited the page and then looked at the other conventions, I find myself with a mild preference for italics. Angle brackets seem overly technical (not being used in the Wikipedia:IPA page; italics are used instead) and poorly supported, whilst italics seem more appropriate for the web to suit a perhaps non-technical audience. Fish-Face (talk) 01:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have misunderstood the last query. I remember, at least earlier, there used to be conflicts between Swedish and Japanese character encodings, since various combinations with special Swedish characters, such as "ör", "åm", "ål", "än" etc were interpreted as various kanji, and I believed something similar was at play here. After the spread and standardization of Unicode, I believe these problems have decreased. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 07:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange signs 

message: What is the practice here for fixing citation links which are broken due to link rot? I am personally interested in typing behaviors of language users due to keyboard alternations or ease of access via keyboards. The link in Note number 6  http://www.tt.se/ttsprak/skrivregler/previewPage.aspx?chapter=12&page=0&xml=ttspraket.xml&template=ttspraket.inc is broken and not resolving. Should the note be removed? is there another way to support these claims?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugh Paterson III (talk • contribs) 04:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad links in Citations 

message: The current article discusses the V/W issue in two separate places: in the Introduction, and under Letters. The introduction gives a whole lengthy paragraph to discussion of this issue. But an introduction is intended to be an overview, an introduction, and should not go into details such as this. There is already a section under "Letters" which discusses the 'V' / 'W' issue, and it's unnecessary to discuss it in two separate places in the article. I've combined the two sections by removing the text from the introduction, and merging the V/W discussion into a single place under "Letters", with slight revisions to avoid unnecessary duplication and overlap.  Omc (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine duplicative sections on 'V' and 'W'