Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 1

message: Akatsuki is not only from Naruto. Please fix to discuss other Akatsukis of note, (Battleships) or from other anime. (Cagalli Yuli Attha's Akatsuki from Gundam SEED Destiny)
Wouldn't Akatsuki (Naruto) be a better name for this page? --JadziaLover 18:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This page should be called Akatsuki (Naruto). --SwordKirby537 03:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguations 

message: In his youth, Kishimoto lived near a military base, and many characters have the names of ships (hence Yamato, Kotetsu, Akatsuki and the like). --Bloodstained Agar 10:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in ''Naruto'' 

message: sorry to pop your bubbles but in Itachi's article somewhere it states that Itachi fears Jiraiya. --Anon.
:What article is this? --Ninja6Fett 23:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, if Orochimaru was considered the strongest of the three nins and he feared Itachi, why would Itachi fear Jiraiya? --Ninja6Fett 00:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He DID run away from him, remember?. --Malomeat 23:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: Is Kisame 31 during Naruto I or Naruto II?
:He's 29 according to the second data book, so he would be 31 in part 2.
:～卍 JadziaLover 会話~投稿 卐～ 06:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kisame's age 

message: Shouldn't it be changed to abilities for most of these people, since almost all of them have multiple abilities listed. I'm going to edit it, but if you disagree feel free to change it back since I am new here. --Ninja6Fett 00:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a major overhaul of the "signature abilities". Signature abilities are defining moves that a character uses to a maximum; we should not list every single jutsu a character has used. As such, we can't judge something a signature ability when they've only used it once (example Hidan's weapon at the moment). Chiyo used taijutsu to attack Kakashi in her first battle scene, but it turned out taijutsu was not at all any of her sig. ablts. Grrblt 21:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That weapon is obviously his signature. They're not exactly the type to drag about an arsenal just for fun. If he's tossing that scythe about now, you can be sure he'll be seen using it again. I'll agree that some other abilities can be cut, though not many of them. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it "obviously" a signature move of his? Itachi used a katana in the beginning! It is entirely possible he will just leave his scythe on the floor, as he has already commented on his low attack speed. Quite a lot of people have opened with some form of attack then scrapped it the next moment, because it was just an opener and nothing they expected to work. For the clean of the other signature abilities, we could have one line say "Signature abilities:" and one following with "Jutsu used:" because frankly, there is quite a difference. Signature abilities is more in line with the "Akatsuki powers" list that was here until just a few days ago. Grrblt 07:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference between a common sword and a unique weapon such as Hidan's. As a general rule of thumb for this seires, most characters tend to keep a common strategy and don't change it right after the first use. I can think of very few characters which have done such a thing. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Signature ability implies something like Deidaras clay manipulation, Itachis Sharingan, elemental or such allignments like Kisame being heavily water based.  What we have currently is an ability list and it should probably just be called Abilities.  Itachis only signature abilities would be Sharingan, Mangekyou SHaringan and that Tsuyikomi(sp) and Ameratsu(sp).  The suiton water jutsu especially isn't a signature ability.  I understand the list existing because theres no article for the characters individually but it should not be referred to as Signature if it isn't an ability they are known for and use commonly.  Kisame uses Samehada a lot for example, Deidara uses clay and Itachi uses the Sharingan.Darkwarriorblake 00:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature ability 

message: This is a fairly long article, and the vast bulk of it consists of character biographies. Have you guys considered splitting out the longer biographies like the one for Uchiha out to separate articles, or perhaps moving the biographies en masse to a List of Akatsuki members article? --maru   (talk)  contribs 05:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting out sections 

message: Woah, what happened, there is a lot of speculation and not hard facts put int othis article, like the super ninja Itachi wants to create and the trivia about the Akatsuki Leader.
Can this be changed?--Ninja6Fett 04:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revisions... 

message: some one is not beleiving me when i say the akatsuki leader is the 4th hokage!
shut up!
That's because 4th Hokage is proven to be DEAD! -Grrblt
That theory makes absolutely no sense. Why would the fourth hokage, a man who risked (and probably lost) his life to stop kyuubi, to defend his country, turn evil, start a group of likeminded people, and start ripping the bijyuu out of people, when he himself sealed a bijyuu into someone! Why would he create naruto, then sit around waiting a few years to come back and try and rip it out! The notion is simply proposterous. If anything, Yondaime Hokage was reverted back to an infantile form of himself in Naruto, which explains why he was able to learn S-Rank jutsus so easily (Especially Rasengan, a particularly difficult jutsu to use). Even if you dont buy the infantile reverting theory, you could always call it a reincarnation, or something to that effect. SlaserX 18:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE AKATSUKI LEADER 

message: Whoever is editing the section with theories, you should stop, especially with your 4th hokage=Akatsuki leader. I personately believe so, but you should say it's a theory, not blurt it out that it's the truth. Plus stop posting your theory in trivia for Zetsu and not saying it's a theory, it's really really annoying.
i think the akatsuki leader=yondaime hokage(4th hokage)but don't post it.
i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!
:The Akatsuki article is full of speculation anyway, so adding in theories about the Leader's identity shouldn't be that much of a problem. Hell, half of the Tobi section is just speculation on whether or not Tobi is Obito. Geg 19:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!" Do you have a source? SlaserX 17:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited To The Truth 

message: how do you guys know blood types and registration numbers for the characters?!?!?
yeah, how do you know?
:That information comes from the official data books. By the way, please, sign your comments ^^
:～卍 JadziaLover 会話~投稿 卐～ 21:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  data 

message: Ok, so there's been a lot of bitching with people changing the order of the member list on the lower part of the page. The members (except Deidara) are forming a circle, like this:
      Itachi   Sasori
  Giant           Unknown
 Kisame                 Zetsu
     Unknown       Leader
 
        Seen from here
Starting with Kisame, the correct order is: Kisame (identified by sword), Unknown (Giant), Itachi (identified by hairdo), Sasori (identified by hairdo and height), Unknown, Zetsu (identified by weird thing covering his head), Leader (identified by hairdo), Unknown.
Since so many are editing this entry, probably due to lack of understanding the picture, do you think maybe I should try another way completely? Add numbers to the picture or perhaps list them simply from left to right? The latter option provides some difficulty with where to mention Deidara though. I'm changing the list back to the proper order for now, but I need some ideas on this one. Grrblt 20:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of the circle is really pretty hard to understand without a visual aid such as that. Simply doing it from left to right would probably be less complicated. Geg 23:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I think left to right would be far better. by the way, I'm presuming from thr right unknown (between sasori and zetsu) is kakusu based on the fact that he is one of the only two remaining unknowns and the only one with a forehead protector actually on his forehead. Thusly the unknown in front of kisame must be hidan, as giant would be notable in his eventual appearance. Midusunknown 10:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of members in the group shot 

message: I think the facts and theories need to be under seperate headings. For each character put your theories under a theory heading and then talk about it, rather than mixing the two —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.56.40.51 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 June 2006  (UTC)
i agree--Geterdone 19:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact vs Theory 

message: It seems odd that only Uchiha Itachi has an animated profile image. There are several available animated images, that could be applied to the remaining member of the Akatsuki organization. Pingu 13:27, 10 April 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.2.242 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 10 June 2006  (UTC)
:I added the above unsigned notice because that comment was not added on April 10th, but on June 10th. -- Pedantic79 (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated Images 

message: How can you say that Deidara is not honorable? Because he used a good tactic against Gaara? 
Then Gaara is huge coward and even more not honorable since he fighted using Shukaku's powers in the middle of the desert! Start thinking people, fights are about winning not loosing in a honorable way.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.205.122 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 June 2006  (UTC)
:..He [the kage] was attacked at his own stronghold in his own hidden Village of Sand....the enemy chose the battle ground not him. And there is no doubting that the targeting of the village was a drty trick, the likes of which hasnt ben seen by any other members as of yet. Saying that gara was wrong for using sand jutsu to his advantage in the dessert, specially his HOME dessert, is obsurd. It's like saying hidden mist ninja cheat by using watery areas to their advantage...--Master Shan
::I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. He was using that as an arguement against the people who said Deidara used dirty tactics when he fought Gaara. The Magnificent, Fantastic, Splendiferous Gegiford 21:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I WAS sarcastic but it seems some people are to short on brain cells to understand it.
And I was explaining that it was a stupid argument, as it WAS a dirty tactic.Maybe if you had more brain-cells you'd realise it--Master Shan 00:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaara's fans should stay away from this section 

message: Since the ring thing has started to be elaborated upon on the main page, I decided to make this to further elaborate on it. I'm not saying it should be added to the page, but just that it's nice to understand where each member belongs. I also made this a while back to help myself understand the order that the members of Akatsuki are standing in at the end of Part 1.
Geg 23:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like that ring one. I'm adding it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A few visual aids

message: I remember when this first happened in the manga, and Kakashi said something like, "What's wrong? Are your eyes getting weak?" or something, to which Itachi just sorta smirked and shook his head. Fans began to speculation that he was damaging his eyes and all that...
But, um, a few chapters later, wasn't it also revealed that it wasn't Itachi's real body, and because of it, his abilities were limited? I kinda figured that that's probably the reason that his sharingan was less useful than usual. :/ WtW-Suzaku 08:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad? 

message: Why do we even have the anime's akatsuki meeting picture up? The manga one is far better looking, allows the shilouttes to be far more easily defined, and is the orginal source considering its what kishimoto drew. I'd replace it now but I figure I'd meet alot of resistance and start a little flame war if I did. However, what do you all think? It was chapter 238, page 18&19 for those who want to look at it, and it just looks better in every form you can bring up. Midusunknown 01:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can identify most of the people in the cleaned up image from the manga.  The anime image just looks a big mess, you can hardly tell what's even there.  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Upload it. It would make a good replacement. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded the manga version of the group shot, scaled down so that it's not such a large file. None of my art programs are very good at adding text to pictures, so I'll leave labeling the members to someone else. Snapper2 20:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacing the Akatsuki pic 

message: It's really cool that within minutes of the raw's being put online people had info on hidan and kakuzu...however, I think people are really jumping the gun alot with speculations. Maybe we all should wait for higher quality, more respectable translation to come out before posting certain statements that base around a single scantalation groups translation. Or better yet, maybe we should wait a week for more revealing information to come out. Having the names and pic's are fine, they likely wont change, but saying things about hidan's speed and how he uses his weapon and jutsu's is just making this more like a forum of speculation and guesses, rather than an encyclopedia. Midusunknown 01:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you look back over the past day or two, myself and others have made drastic changes to try and remove all the speculation.  I don't know what this place was like before but man, it was like a collection of pure theory based on a fictional piece of work from every 12 year old on the net.  So yeah, just remove anything that hasn't been stated as you see it.Darkwarriorblake 01:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed the speculation is particularly bad in this subject area, and mostly done by anons. And people wonder why there's such a large push for registered editing? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumping The Gun; Wait for facts 

message: When was it confirmed that he's from the Grass village? I don't recall ever seeing a forehead protector on him anywhere and I don't think he's had a profile in either of the official databooks. Geg 18:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it's his first appearance, after the VotE fight. We ses a glimpse of his forehead protector which he wears somewhere over his chest. Not a very good picture of it, but it was ID'd as Grass. Grrblt 20:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was curious of that too. But if you look back to when he first shows, you can make out the protector between two of the "teeth" on the flytrap thing. WtW-Suzaku 11:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked at screenshots from that episode in the anime, as well as in the manga, and still couldn't see anything. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on Zetsu 

message: When do you guys think Sasuke will be ready to take on Itachi and go head-to-head? I don't expect you guys to know when they WILL fight, just looking for your opinion... - sasuke-kun27 22:37, 24 June 2006
Sauske himself says he wouldnt be able to compete with Itachi until after Orochimaru had taken control of his body, so a good bet is anything after 3 months from now in universe. That said this is a discussion page on the article Akatsuki (Naruto) not a talk forum.--Master Shan 08:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sasuke vs. Itachi 

message: This article talks as if its fact that akatsuki was originally 10 members before Orochimaru left. Are we sure that he wasn't just replaced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.8.44.172 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 June 2006  (UTC)
:No, it was originally 10 due to the whole "10 rings" thing. And he hasn't been replaced as he still has his ring. Geg 02:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members? 

message: A few anons have been placing new talking points on top.  While most others have been placed at the bottom.  Are there any objections to me moving Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members? and Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Fact vs Theory to their correct chronological ordering?  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someguy0830 moved those sections to the bottom.  I moved the talks to where they would be if they had been added at the bottom of the page when they were added.  As well as signed them as unsigned comments with the information from the history. -- Pedantic79 (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah well, at least I was close. Next time, just move the comment if someone makes it out of sequence. There's nothing wrong with it as long as the comment isn't altered. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering of new talking points 

message: In the piece about Deidara it says he is given a deep voice in the anime. I am wondering if anyone knows what episode this is as I dont believe the anime has even reached the kakashi gaiden let alone the gaara retrival arc, which is when deidara is introduced, I believe.
:Deidara is talking in episode 135. He's the one hanging upside down with only one visible eye. People only watching the anime don't know who he is, but we know. Grrblt 07:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara 

message: I'm not very well versed on Wikipedia internal workings but is there any way to request registered user only editing on this article?  It's taking a great deal of effort from many people to repeatedly remove baseless speculation that is continuously added to this article and others, especially "Yondaime is the leader, Obito is Tobi, KIsame can breathe underwater because he looks like a shark".
Registered users won't save this article, I've seen at least 3 in the last day add speculation, but it might slow down the rate at which it is occuring.Darkwarriorblake 11:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Registered users only?

message: Maybe someone should add that Itachi can cast genjustu w/ the use of a finger/ring as demonstrated in manga chapter 259  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.155.105.104 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 27 June 2006  (UTC)
nah --Geterdone 20:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi 

message: I thought the point of a wiki was to improve the cohesiveness of articles.   Earlier today the Hidan article was changed from this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61215347
to this 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61239619
I believe this changed helped organize subject matter in a more coherent article.  This was subsequently improved upon by others in series of three or four updates, just to have someone completeling revert it to the link above.  Though slowly it seems to be taking on the shape of the initial change I just found it annoying that somebody was perhaps upset that someone changed their work and reverted everything omitting things like the  trivia section, and the link to Kakuzu.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obf213 (talk • contribs) 0:57, 29 June 2006  (UTC)
:It looks exactly the same except for the last line split into trivia. What's the problem? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the first paragraph should be about his mission, and then a separate paragraph should be about his attributes. I think its much more academic than describing everything in one paragraphy with no transition i.e. "They successfully captured the Nibi on their last assignment. He wields a three-bladed scythe..." you see how that complete jumps topics with no transition, meh it could just be me put that sounds sloppy.--Obf213 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: very well done--Obf213 21:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This article still needs a fresh-up. First it says Hidan was not happy about having to capture the Nibi alive, and then, on the last line, it says he successfully captured Nibi. I'm not sure exactly how to best rewrite it but it doesn't look too good right now. Grrblt 21:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing the Hidan article. 

message: I'm pretty sure they only have three bijū and one Jinchūriki at the moment. The map shows the areas that Hidan and Kakuzu have been searching for their assigned Jinchūriki not the location of all the Jinchūriki. When they say that the Fire Country is the last one, they are talking about their second Jinchūriki. That's the last place they need to search for it. The wouldn't be going after Naruto as he's assigned to Itachi. I really don't think that they could get that many Jinchūriki in a few weeks. Nemu 22:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to remember the other comments. First, there's their "last one" statement, which in and of itself is not so much. However, add that map (you don't X off things you haven't completed) and the fact that they're heading to the Land of Fire and you have the heavy implication that they must be nearing completion. Also, there's no way Itachi and Kisame could handle the Leaf VIllage alone. They'll need backup. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Given that there's only one left (supposedly), I'd think they wouldn't want to take any chances. The leader wouldn't be like "Oh let's keep the two man team thing in the face of the most powerful shinobi village instead of working together to capture the last biju." They can change strategy if they wish, and given the fact that both Itachi and Kisame have had trouble, he wouldn't be so foolish as to only send them again. Remember, we do not know the exact workings of the organization. The two man team thing could simply be for tracking down and capturing (if possible) the various demons. They may not hold to it if trouble arises. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It is a translated version, and something always gets lost, but they may have been assigned in Itachi and Kisames place. Theorhetically, they wouldn't draw as much attention. Also, we only know of the one Hidden Village, aside from Smoke, in the Fire Country, and the Smoke village hasn't exactly been portrayed as competent. Think about it logically. They mark seven specific points on the map. The eighth (Sand), is not in the cross-section, but we know that a biju was there, and would logically be checked. The Fire Counrty, point nine, has no mark on it. If the map were simple location marking, then they'd have the Leaf Village marked, because it's a fact that Naruto's there. The fact that only seven marks are on the map means that it's not a location map, as they'd mark off every scouted location were that the only case. Depending on just when they left to get Nibi, that map may very well have been marked with only seven points (including Sand), signifying that those seven were already captured. The way I see it, it simply can't be simple scouting, the numbers are too low and too inconsistent with scouting for that to be the case. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're making assumptions. You can't know for sure what the crosses represent (they could be meeting points, places to check, whatever). They say they're heading for the Fire Country for the last one, but that could be only the last one they've been assigned. And you're not even sure they're talking of Naruto ; there could be another Jinchuuriki than Naruto in the Fire Country.--195.221.0.6 08:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're logical assumputions, for one thing. Anyway, like I've explained earlier, it is very unlikely that they're places to check. If they were only checking, they'd either have the Fire County marked off (possible location) or may more checks on the map (process of elimination. Click the link above. Several countries are ignored, and only seven points are on that map. Of those seven, they only cover five countries. Sound and Thunder are marked twice in very differen positions. Akatsuki wouldn't be sending their members on random goose chases. That map would more than likely mark the exact location of each biju. Hidan and Kakuzu may not have visited every spot on that map, in fact it's far more likely other Akatsuki went there at the same time, but the fact that they are not heading to another mark means the other biju are being or have been dealt with by this point. I don't speculate unless I can back it up, and this seems the most likely outcome given the current information. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hm, maybe. The fact remains that the only people remotely capable of controlling a biju would be a hidden village. They wouldn't just let them wander off, unwanted or otherwise. Since no other demon aside from the nine-tails is mentioned in the Fire Country, why else would they be going there? It all seems a bit too convient for it to be much less than nearing completion of their goals. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current status of the bijū 

message: A lot of vandalism occurred from 70.101.7.245.  There were a bunch of lost conversations as people were reverting some of the changes and not others.  I have gone through and compared the current version to  and retrieved the conversations from that revision.  The sections I retrieved or reversed vandalism in were Disambiguations, Kabuto, Nine or ten members?, Uchiha Itachi, Splitting out sections, Major Revisions..., THE AKATSUKI LEADER, Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad?.  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 05:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We noticed. I wonder how we missed all that? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Lets see.  User:MichaelBillington reverted one change but left five intact.  User:Asterion reverted three changes, but missed one most likely because of a commit conflict.  User:Essjay reverted one change, reverting to a version by 66.108.245.146 who posted his own little bit of vandism in the middle of this mess, and causing three changes to get through.   User:Midusunknown removed some vandalism, but I'm too lazy to figure out which of the previous missed ones where caught.  Then people started talking about other things.  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 05:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That could do it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Midusunknown removed the vandalism, but deleted the entire section rather than find what was there before.  Thus losing them, and made me wonder why this talk page got so short all the sudden.  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism