Talk:Infrastructure in Bangalore

message: * You say infrastructure concerns.  So it means that the state of infrastructure concerns you, worries you.  In other words, according to you the state of infrastructure is below acceptable levels.  So you are subconciously defining an 'acceptable level'.  Now may I ask,  who you are to and how did you decide on what is acceptable and what is not?  what is not acceptable to you maybe perfectly acceptable to somebody else.  In this light, it is curious to note that in all the sources that have been cited, the sample population considered for opinion remains the same - the IT worker.  how come there is no representation from a wider cross-section of society not just from Bangalore but from across Karnataka(because the government is answerable to every voter in the state - not just the Bangalore voter)
* What is more interesting is, many of the editors who have contributed to this article also have contributed to various other articles on various other Indian cities.  How come none of these editors saw it fit to write an article like this about ANY of the other cities??  Or is it because the other cities in India and in the world are PERFECT and there are no concerns - infrastructural or otherwise in any of those cities??  dont ask me to assume good faith here, because I cannot.
* Also, even when it comes to infrastructure concerns,  Bangalore is not an exception.  It is a problem that exists in equal or worse magnitude in all cities all over India and in every developing country in the world.  The only reason it made headlines with regard to Bangalore is because a high profile politician attacked high profile industrialist. The English media saw a huge opportunity for sensation here and cashed in.  It is unfortunate that even Wikipedians have fallen for this alarmist propoganda.  It should be noted here that none of the local Kannada newspapers or websites carried any of this alarmist propoganda.  Yes, there may have been delays here and there in completing infrastructure projects, but to conclude that it is a matter of grave concern is simply sensationalism and alarmist.  It is not very different from the 'Endulkar' article.  I am perfectly fine with an article like 'Endulkar' in a tabloid, but to cite it as a source and proceed to write an article trashing Tendulkar, anyone would agree, is unencyclopaedic, sensationalism and POV.
* The sources -- aah...how far back to you want to go with the sources...some of the sources are well past their expiry dates and are more than 5 years old!!  Even premji hadnt started complaining then.   This way if you keep digging you might get something even more ancient.  Also, like Sarvagnya has pointed out, you say work on the Airport has already started (and according to reports) is progressing well.  So what again, is the 'concern'??  KNM 07:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why it is POV and sensationalism

message: Ideological clashes between the city's IT moguls, who demand an addressal of the infrastructural problems of the city, and the traditionally bureaucratic state governments, whose electoral base is primarily rural Karnataka's agricultural workers, are common. In 2005, however, the Central and State Governments allocated sizeable funding from their annual budgets towards the improvement of Bangalore's infrastructure.
Cite sources for the many many other instances of POV in your article before you add more POV.  What do you mean by 'traditionally bureaucratic state governments'??  bureaucrats are an integral part of any democratic goverment anywhere in the world.  why the special mention in this case?  also what do you mean by '...electoral base is primarily rural workers...'??  last heard India is a democratic country and every adult - rural or urban, has a vote.
: Yes, every adult gets one vote. 80% of Karnataka's roughly 50 million population is engaged in agriculture. That amounts to 40 million. That amounts to 40 million votes vs. 6 million. AreJay 03:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and where did you get this bloated figure of 80% of Karnataka's population being engaged in agriculture?? and also, what makes you think residents of Bangalore ought to have more of a say in how the State capital is to be run than other Karnataka voters who reside outside Bangalore??  India is a democracy and Bangalore belongs as much to the guy in Hubli as it does to the Bangalorean and vice versa.  again(and again and again) let me ask you to cite your sources before you make arbitrary claims.  also, stop telling me that something has been there for 2 years...so its fine.  just because its been there 2 years doesnt mean everygthing's fine with it. 67.164.5.90 03:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel words

message: Hi - NPOV - if you see that Bangalore is painted in negative light, its becoz this is a fork focusing entirely on administrative, economic difficulties and issues. The title is "Infrastructural concerns" - not the "Infrastructure of Bangalore" that merits a full discussion of pros and cons. Thus the NPOV-disputed sign must go down. 
While you may need to ease the language and add some details to show all the progress Bangalore is making, there is no need to counter every fact and section. However, the real issue is unencyclopedic coverage' - whether its ok for an article to be only discussing the concerns and problems in Bangalore. Rama's Arrow 14:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  deciphering the problems 

message: First of all, I dont understand why some editors here keep harping about roads, roads and roads in this article.  Yes roads are part of the infrastructure of a city but they are not the only things nor even the most important by any stretch of imagination.  Everything including drainage and sewerage, sanitation, hospitals, schools and colleges, scientific infrastructure, power infrastructure, telecommunications infrastructure, maybe even military infrastructure and many such other things IS ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE and some may argue, more important than having roads like 'hema malini's' cheeks.  and...this article doesnt even make a mention of all that!!
SECOND OF ALL AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, i also dont understand why these editors keep harping about the DELAYS in these projects.  Are you talking about infrastructure or about the delays in carrying out projects??!!  stop talking about delays cause it has nothing to do with infrastructure.  either you have the required infra or you dont have it.  if it is there just write that it is there.  if it is not there write that it is not there.  talking about why it is there or why it is not there, what are some people's opinions about it etc., is hardly encyclopaedic as has already been pointed out ad nauseum here(and yet some people refuse to acknowledge it)
instead of talking about infrastructure, you people have turned this into a scoreboard to keep track of how many times, how many projects have been delayed in the past.  and nowhere have you even shown the basic courtesy to mention the present status of the project!Balnanmaga 10:03, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that infrastructure is not just roads.  Telephone and electricity, although not 100% are quite reliable.  However, drains in many parts of the city are inadequate to prevent flooding during heavy rains.  Also, the availability of water is not continuous in many (all?) parts of the city.  --BostonMA 15:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infrastructure is NOT just roads and not just DELAYS in road projects

message: The lead editor for this article is user:AreJay. I ask that you guys give him some time, becoz he's researching this topic in detail to give a more balanced content and overall article. We are all in agreement that the article needs to be balanced, so if you help out with data contributions, it will help the resolution of this issue. Rama's Arrow 05:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also request the anonymous user who keeps creating new IDs to stop doing so. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppets - You are violating Wikipedia rules. It is not polite, or honest if I may say so. We respect you and we are prepared to listen to your concerns. Please do not insult our intelligence. Rama's Arrow 05:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Patience, patience...

message: Just a little note to the rewriters of this article that it will probably be worth discussing the Bangalore-Mysore Infrastructure Corridor Project in the article.  Several components of the project - such as the Outer Peripheral Road, the new Link Road and bus terminal, and the new townships - are directly aimed at significantly enhancing Bangalore's infrastructure and when completed will address very many of the problems discussed in the article. Whilst the article does mention some of these (such as the OPR), it may make sense to also discuss the entire project as a whole. Wasn't there some talk about setting up a monorail along the route? -- Arvind 00:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangalore-Mysore Infrastructure Corridor 

message: first of all,the article starts off with the history of bangalore.
the city wasnt planned then,it began to take fruit only after the arrival of british.
and in the section development after independance,the article starts of well,and slowly slips off into another bangalore bashing article.
you need to create a new subject,with the name criticisms or something.
i tried doing it myself,but the article is very shoddy and cant be differentiated.--Jayanthv86 10:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first two statements are incorrect. As pointed out in the article, the town of Bangalore, which comprised entirely of the area within the mud fort was well planned and had two main road arteries N-S and E-W. The Bangalore cantonment area was developed with the arrival of the British but concurrent to that, there was also town development of the Bangalore pete as well. Can you be specific on what you find to be "Bangalore basing"? I am quite uninterested in "bashing" the city that I was born in, however, I am not going to depart from my intention of portraying the situation in the city as-is. This is an encyclopedia and all aspects, positive and negative, need appropriate representation. AreJay 19:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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