Talk:Made in Britain

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message: What's the deal with this plot section? That's not a plot, that's practically the entire film described scene by scene. A plot is described in a few sentences.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.253.222 (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: I'd like to know what exactly makes the character Trevor a 'White Power Skinhead,'. Having a Swastika tattoo on his forehead doesn't count. Calling South Asian immigrants 'Pakis' doesn't count either, nor does the usage of the 'N' word.
During the Skinhead revival of the late 70s-early 80s, you had two essential Skinhead subcategories. Not in terms of politics, but style & over all views. The "Traditional" Skinhead who identified with the views, music & fashion of the late 60s Original Skinheads, & then the  'New Breed,' who took the skinhead style & exaggerated it by shaving the head all the way down in most cases, wearing higher boots, braces around the ass, tighter jeans, bomber jackets, etc. Punk influenced in both style & ideology.(Being left wing or a member of the NF at this time did not make one there own type of skinhead subclass, as niether of those two had thier own fashion developed styles, even adherents to the more Traditional Style could have been NF members or vice versa).
They(Oi! Boys, Bald Punks, Punk Skins, what have you) aimed to be more anarchistic than the Punks themselves, & typically sided with the punks over the Traditional Skinheads & The Teddy Boys. The Trads called them Boneheads due to the grade in which they cut their hair (the origin of the term now used to describe Racist Skinheads), & saw them as little more than "Bald Punks" listening to Classless, "Thug Rock".
Just like punk they wanted to shock the public at large, espicially because punks were finally being accepted by the media & society. Just like punks, they used the swastika for shock purposes, even going as far as to get it tattooed on one's face. They knew most viewed them as fascist, & Sieg Hiels became common place. They saw no future, they were vandals, nihilists & hooligans. Acting out. It wasn't uncommon at that time to ascribe the word N***** to West Indians, even if you had friends who were black. It was Thatcher's England, all that was avialable was Shit Jobs & The Dole. It's no surprise members of this more nationalistic, hopeless & bitter mentality ended up becoming racist skins & contributing to the numbers, but as it stands, everything aforementioned happening at that time, does not necessarily make them a "White Power" Skinhead. (See Nick Knight's book 'Skinhead' to verify & cite what I just described) 
So, if the character Trevor in the film Made in Britain isn't stated as being a BNP member, or a National Front member, or talking about the Aryan Race or White Power, despite how racist, nihilistic, hopeless & self destructive he may be, I don't see why the claim he is a White Power Skinhead remain in the article unless someone can cite it was the director's intent to portray a racist young biggot's life & not just the life of a kid who happens to see no Future.
HorseRipper (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this point, punks and skinheads were similar, other than a choice on which stance to take, usually based on personal things, not group ideals. If a kid doesn't fit in (and I know this from my own experience, and chose punk which was just as happy to choose me), they'll figure out who they are by dropping themselves into whatever seems to give them a chance to find out the way they want it. The LAST thing they'll take is some groupthink stuffing itself down their necks before they are ready to take anything from anyone. Organised politics was one of the most distrusted forms of human activity, whoever it was, or whatever they stood for. And Trevor felt realistic to many punks as well as skinheads because he got it, he just chose to be more offensive and reactionary than most. He wasn't there to serve anyone's 'agenda', not even his own. All he had was what most of us have, something no-one can take away unless they kill, and even then, they don't get it. At that age, we know we can experience and interpret the world our way, and defy others to prevent that. It's not easy to philosophise about, but people ARE aware of this, even when nothing seems worth living for. It's basically what was meant in that Sex Pistols line "Don't know what I want, but I know how to get it". Not knowing whether to build, or destroy whatever shit we find ourselves in first, but learning to command that choice. 86.144.136.50 (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Trevor character in the film Made in Britain was clearly a racist skinhead, not just a generic skinhead. That is very obvious by his words and actions in the film. One doesn't need to be a member of a political group like the National Front or British Movement to be a white power skinhead.Spylab (talk) 22:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He wasn't about 'power' of any kind, but powerlessness. He was helpless, and he knew it, he was a nihilist. And he was alone. He was racist, but only as a form of rejection, one of many forms he had. He made no attempt to organise any kind of power. The white supremacists (skinheads or otherwise) who did that were holding down jobs, organising with others to some political or violent end. The entire potrayal here is not of a 'white power skinhead'. Look to the movie 'American History X' if you want a portrayal of that. Even 'Romper Stomper' is a portrayal of a more organised skinhead culture than 'Made In Britain', which is entirely based on a single nihilistic individual with no power whatsoever, and no chance of getting any by his course of action or even his intent. More to the point, it portrays an individual who is more than smart enough to know this, but still does not care. 31.51.85.128 (talk) 23:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Any word about what time of year this was filmed, and where? I'm interested in finding out more of when, where, how it was made, but can't find much except repeated mention of the Steadicam, and a release date of Feb 1982. There's a LOT more to making an interesting movie than that, like the motivations, the obstacles to making it, how long it took, and especially the conditions in which it was made, like weather, time of year, how big the crew was, what they used, had to put up with, etc. I hope that someone who knows more about this film's history can either point to it, or add some of it here. A little of it can be deduced from watching it carefully, but not a lot. 86.144.136.50 (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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