Talk:Philomela

message: I read this in another site of internet. "The Olympic Gods transformed Prokne into a swallow, Philomela into a nightingale (birds that remain silent except during spring) and Tereus into a flesh eating hawk." But the article says another thing. Who are right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.113.193 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 5 September 2004
: Hi. I've always read/been told that Procne turns into a swallow, and Philomela into a nightingale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.66.169 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 16 February 2006
Related to the above note, the page for Hoopoe says that Terseus was turned into a hoopoe, but this page does not mention this as a possibility. Any thoughts? --Chinawhitecotton 00:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was reading through Charles Martin's translation of Metamorphosis (2005) and he does not translate within the text, specifically, whether one nor the other was transformed into the nightingale or the house sparrow, though, in his note, he makes the link between Procne and the nightingale quite clear.  Then again, in John Kerrigan's article, "Milton and the Nightingale," he suggests that there is sufficient ambiguity within the text that more traditional sources, such as Pliny, could also be considered as referentially factual.  It seems pretty safe that a reference to either Procne or Philomela is a reference to the nightingale, though, since no one is really ever interested in a house swallow, anyway... least of all Milton.  Just some thoughts.  This1trik4u 08:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible inaccuracies

message: From Encyclopedia Mythica : "Before the chase could end, all three were turned into birds--Tereus into a hoopoe, Procne into a swallow, and Philomela into a nightingale. (Hence the nightingale is often called a "Philomel" in poetry.)"  
This is consistent with what the Wikipedia article says: "The names 'Procne' and 'Philomela' are sometimes used in literature to refer to a nightingale, though only the latter is mythologically correct. Philomela can also be poetically abbreviated to 'Philomel.' "
See also the comment at the bottom of the Nightingale page   at the web site "The Birds of Shakespeare."
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.148.33.33 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 April 2006
I'd agree. Philomela became the nightingale (according to Brewsters Dictionary of Phrase and Fable) and Procne became the swallow.
(SallyQ)
:It's a tough call to say either way.  As I noted in my comment above, both are still being debated--kind of inactively, actually.  Suffice it to say that an oral tradition of over thousands of years long have seen both Procne and Philomela as the nightingale (one the nightingale in one version and the swallow in another).  It would be presumptuous of us to suggest that one was one thing and not another when the plurality of stories proves otherwise.  In this case, it hardly seems accurate to decide one way or another.  It doesn't make the Wiki Entry any easier to write/understand, but that's how it appears to be at the moment. This1trik4u 08:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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