Talk:Stephanie Tubbs Jones

message: A recent change added the criminal history of her late husband.  This seems a little off topic and prejudicial.  I can't find any reference to the 59 trip paid for by lobbiests either.  She has made a large number of trips, but only a fraction of those are paid for by lobbiest or corporations.  The rest are by non-profits and political entities.  http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php?member=7149
Also, there is  quite a lot of information about her predecessor in congress, Louis Stokes.  I think an interested reader could follow the link to learn about the Honorable Mr. Stokes.  Just my 2c. [unsigned]
:Fine with both, although some mention should be made about her husband with a redirect. CFLeon (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Info about others

message: Is it worth mentioning that she, like other congressmen from The Colbert Report's "Better Know a District" segment, was featured on the Report? Normally I wouldn't find that notable for Daily Show or Report guests, but maybe it would be worthwhile for relatively-unknown congressmen. Anyone else like this idea? --BDD 23:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea. --waffle iron 00:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Better Know a District

message: The text now reads, "On August 19, 2008, Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones was taken to a Cleveland hospital after being found unconscious behind the wheel of a moving car." The car had come to a stop in a field when police identified the driver as the Congresswoman.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DVet78 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: August 19, 2008 - Edit needed

message: I'm watching CNN right now, and a press conference said that she was in critical condition. mrholybrain's talk 18:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct. Also this page should be semi-protected as there is a lot of anon vandalism. CrazyC83 (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Not really. EPIC FAIL by CNN is more like it. They tend to be good at those. --Clubjuggle T/C 21:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a lot of conflicting reports. It is possible she might have died, but the most official reports suggest she is alive (albeit critical). CrazyC83 (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: msnbc reported dead, then just retracted.  I requested page protection until this can be sorted out.  Sorry folks.  Qb | your 2 cents 18:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: While we can't cite TV, we shouldn't say that she is dead just because online sources haven't caught up yet. mrholybrain's talk 18:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Dead? 

message: We're not here to scoop anyone.  It's better to be sure of ourselves than to try to go fast.  Friday (talk) 18:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cleveland Plain Dealer had reported that she had died, along with Cleveland TV station WEWS.  I think editors can be forgiven our mistakes, given that the sources themselves are rapidly being retracted and modified. -- JeffBillman (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: What do you mean? Call CNN and tell them not to be fast then!--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 19:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly why this should be protected.  We are an encyclopedia, not a news source.  There is no urgency, we are not here to scoop anything.  CNN has been wrong before.  When the sources have it right, we'll have it right.  Support protection, smart move Friday.  Keeper  76 19:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: (2 Edit Conflicts) The page is fine, she is not dead. The protection is needed because some people have old sources that say she is dead. mrholybrain's talk 19:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The date/time is probably reflecting whatever is the date/time at her location. For example, if she had been in Beijing, it may have been August 21 already. CFLeon (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It seems to be becoming more common with items in the news. (sigh) CFLeon (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop trying to be fast 

message: I've protected this for now.  I don't object if anyone undoes it as they see fit.  Mainly I wanted people to calm down and tread carefully.  Getting it right is more important than getting it fast.  Friday (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cleveland Plain Dealer had reported that she had died, along with Cleveland TV station WEWS.  I think editors can be forgiven our mistakes, given that the sources themselves are rapidly being retracted and modified. -- JeffBillman (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: What do you mean? Call CNN and tell them not to be fast then!--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 19:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly why this should be protected.  We are an encyclopedia, not a news source.  There is no urgency, we are not here to scoop anything.  CNN has been wrong before.  When the sources have it right, we'll have it right.  Support protection, smart move Friday.  Keeper  76 19:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: (2 Edit Conflicts) The page is fine, she is not dead. The protection is needed because some people have old sources that say she is dead. mrholybrain's talk 19:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The date/time is probably reflecting whatever is the date/time at her location. For example, if she had been in Beijing, it may have been August 21 already. CFLeon (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It seems to be becoming more common with items in the news. (sigh) CFLeon (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: I'm wondering why there's no mention of the fact that she was set to be a super delegate at the upcoming Democratic convention.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.153.53.150 (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's 2 Super Deligates they've lost in the past week. Is this How Hillary's planning to get back? :) (It's a joke, Folks!!!) CFLeon (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Poor joke, considering both super delegates were Hillary supporters.24.187.134.112 (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Delegate 

message: Also has issues with people claiming her "death" has left the seat vacant. Let's keep an eye on it. Hazydan (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ohio's 11th congressional district]] 

message: In the section "Early life, Education and Family" footnote 5 appears to be a dead link.  Is there an alternate permanent link to this reference or could we correct this broken link? T S Ballantine (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional dead link

message: Some reports suggest that she has died, however a news conference reported she is alive, but in critical condition with limited brain function.[8]
should it be 'suggested'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.125.163 (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: by me. Kingnavland (talk) 22:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  another edit request 

message: Out of respect, can Someone with editing authority change the past-tense references to Her current Congressional position to present tense?  As I said, She's not dead.  She remains the Congressional Representative from the 11th district of Ohio.  She remains popular with Her Constituents. etc.  Out of respect, I think all such references should remain present-tense until We have reason to change said tense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinezfive (talk • contribs) 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  She's not dead. 

message: Just throwing in a little info on this- the TV news stations around here had been saying she was alive and in critical condition. Both WUAB and WKYC have just now aired a special report that she has died. I'll hold off adding this, since the hits on g-news aren't reporting it as yet. If someone wants to add a line about the confusion around the announcement, here's a good link I've found:  JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 23:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer, source of the initial report (and AP news feed).  This time, though, they cited a Cleveland Clinic official who placed the time of death at 6:12pm EDT on Wednesday. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death report 

message: Thanks for listing this discussion for a third opinion. Having read through both sides of the discussion, I am left wondering exactly what the speculation of a possible special election has to do with the subject of this article. I beleieve that since Ms. Jones will be neither the incumbent nor a possible challenger, the information would be far more relevant in the Ohio's 11th congressional district article. This is a biography, and events happening outside of this person's lifetime, in which she will take no part, don't seem to be germaine. Jim Miller  See me | Touch me 15:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, as another outside opinion, I'm more sympathetic to TJRC's position here.  What happens after Tubbs Jones death is absolutely relevant - William Henry Harrison#Impact of death is an example of a reasonably well-done "aftermath" section without which an article would be incomplete.  So I'd say this is relevant to the topic.  As for WP:CRYSTAL, that only applies if the speculation is *unverified*.  News sources have mentioned the possibility of a special election, and even if there isn't one, it's relevant to mention that the seat stayed vacant until the next election.  The Ohio law is also clearly on point, and not a leap at all to cite. SnowFire (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The point that is being missed here is that we are an encyclopedia, not a news source. It is inappropriate to compare the death of a member of Congress — barely a week later — with the death of a president, looked at through the long lens of history. The very idea that "speculation" can be "verified" flies in the face of the definition of the two words. Again, we are not a news source; I don't deny that there is speculation, but the whole point is that it is only speculation. And regarding Ohio law, again — it is a total leap to cite the Ohio constitution; see my point above about the US Constitution.  Frank    talk  12:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is decided that it belongs here, I would think that the only thing that would be approprite for this article would be a) if there is a special election - a brief summary with a hatnote to the article on the special election; or b) a note about the appointment/ongoing vacancy that results. Either way, and with all due respect for the deceased, vacant seats in Congress happen pretty regularly and just aren't all that important. The NJ 13th district seat sat empty for almost 10 months in 2006, and that was handled this way in that article. I still think it would be most appropriate in Ohio's 11th congressional district#2008 vacancy or something similar with a link from here. The story is no longer about the subject of this biographical article, and readers should be directed to an appropriate article for the information. Jim Miller  See me | Touch me 16:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Frank    talk  12:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see it now.  You're confusing the Ohio statutes with the Ohio constitution.  There never was a cite to the Ohio constitution; that would have just been weird.  Either the top-level most general authority (the U.S Constitution) or the bottom-level most detailed authority (the Ohio statute) would have made some sense; but an intermediate authority like a state constitution would be a very odd choice to cite if the other two authorities existed.TJRC (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is merely splitting hairs. It is a primary source, regardless of whether it is the state constitution or the state statutes.  Frank    talk  15:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

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