Talk:Finger vibrato

message: There are three main types; arm vibrato, produced by moving the entire arm, wrist vibrato, in which the wrist moves to and fro instead of the arm, and of course, finger vibrato, in which the finger stopping the sounding string(s) moves up and down. That is, as the finger approaches the fingerboard, as soon as the note has first sounded, the finger move away ever so slightly, and then moves back to the fingerboard, and this proscess repeats for as long as the player wishes.
This is inaccurate on several grounds. Firstly, you can't have it both ways... either arm vibrato and wrist vibrato are types of finger vibrato (as I believe) or they are not. Describing the third type as true finger vibrato might solve this I guess. But it's not really a matter of types at all... there's a continuum from finger-only movement through wrist movement to whole arm movement, with no clear dividing line between these three techniques, and actual playing often combining two or more of them.
Secondly, the finger doesn't approach or move away from the fingerboard. It moves but remains in contact with the string, which is itself in contact with the fingerboard (or with a fret on a fretted instrument).
No. This isn't an accurate description of finger vibrato. I use finger vibrato regularly on both fretted and unfretted instruments, and I think this description was written by someone who has seen the technique but doesn't understand how it is done. Andrewa 06:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: I don't know if there are correct terms for axial and radial vibrato, but I know both techniques exist, and I didn't see any other easy way to distinguish between them, so I put those terms in.  If someone else knows correct terms, feel free to fix this.
-- TimNelson 08:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axial and radial vibrato 

message: *Move to Tone bending. This technique can be done on non-string instruments such as synthesizers with pitch bend levers or wheels. Badagnani (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, don't agree.  See Naming proposal below -- TimNelson (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: I think the problem here is that we're describing two different tonal effects, and a variety of methods of achieving them on different instruments.  I think what needs to happen here is that:
* The vibrato-specific information needs to be merged into the Vibrato page
* The bending information needs to be put on a separate page
* Cross-references between he two need to be established
* This page needs to be converted to a disambiguation page
Thoughts all?  
-- TimNelson (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is simply that people have added off-topic material. The article was originally about finger vibrato. Finger vibrato is a good topic, with plenty of material if it's allowed to grow on-topic. Merging it into the vibrato article isn't disaster, but it's unnecessary, and means we miss the opportunity to clarify the confusing situation regarding so-called vibrato units and tremolo arms. So IMO we'll have a better encyclopedia if we take the more difficult course and simply restore this article to on-topic material. Andrewa (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... I didn't mean to start an edit war by that last comment. I'll post a comment on User talk:Badagnani and suggest they join in the discussion. Andrewa (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That may well be true about the violin, and if true and verifiable should be said in the article. But the technique is a fact, and the term finger vibrato is well established among guitarists. If there's a better term for this technique when applied to other instruments, then suggest it. Andrewa (talk) 13:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming proposal

message: Most of the guitar techniques described here are off-topic, which seems to have been the motivation for the renaming request above.
The problem is, the non-guitar material is on-topic, encyclopedic, and this is the place for it.
So we need an article - a separate article - on the related guitar techniques. Bend (guitar) seems the best title to me, or is there a better one? It would at least be a place to start, and if there's a better term, we can move it there in due course.
This also has the advantage that such a split would essentially reverse a merge of some time ago, thus restoring the article history. Then if the topic is moved, this history will follow it. Andrewa (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed split