Talk:Jackson High School (Michigan)

message: Please don't vandalise this page --204.38.102.3 (talk) 12:08, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: To the editor who keeps reinserting the undereferenced and unencyclopedic stuff:  unencyclopedic and unreferenced content is subject to being removed at any time.  The proper course of action, as has been explained at your talk page more than once is to come here and justify why (in terms of reliable sources and Wikipedia guidelines and policies) this content should be here.  This is not optional.  The course of action you are following will only lead to your editing privileges being suspended. John from Idegon (talk) 17:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: ALRIGHT JOHN TELL ME WHAT WAS WRONG WITH MY LAST EDIT ABOUT THANKSGIVING GIVING HUH. ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME OR JUST DELETE ALL MY CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE YOURE STUBBORN JacksonViking (talk) 03:52, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: First, there is no need to either shout or personalize this. It is my position that a section that amounted to nearly one third the entire size of the article is entirely too much WEIGHT for this basically trivial information. All schools have clubs that do community service. The article guidelines tell us that we shouldn't include things that are of strictly local interest. Since your reference comes from the Jackson paper, lacking further reference and much less copy,  this does not belong here. John from Idegon (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: John from Idegon This has more than local interest. Jackson High School is a school focused on giving and this is an extremely signifcant time of the schooleyar. Jacksno High is the only schol in Jackson mi that gives 100000 cans JacksonViking (talk) 05:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Also, you keep deleting controversial content on this page that I add that is relevant beyond local interest when this shouldn't be allowed. Why does the [Columbine High School] wikipedia page have a section about a massacre? Double standards? JacksonViking (talk) 05:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you provide a source outside of the immediate Jackson area that covers this? That would support that it goes beyond local interest, although you'd probably still have issues with undue weight, as a third of an article on a school shouldn't be dedicated to a program like that in pretty much every case. It would support editing your previous addition for length and reading it to the article, though. ~ RobTalk 05:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I'll work on finding that. Also Rob, please educate me on why the controversy section, that is significant to the school's reputation and history, should be removed from this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackson_High_School_(Michigan)&oldid=665697520 JacksonViking (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As you have been told before, Jackson, it was entirely in violation of the WP:BLP policy, and beyond that, not really of interest to anyone but locals. And if you cannot see the difference between a kid knifing another kid in the bathroom, or a teacher getting arrested for drunk driving and Columbine, well.....  There have been dozens of books and several movies made about what happened at Columbine.  I don't think "MR. Foo meets the Breathalyzer" exactly has the potential to be a critical success.  John from Idegon (talk) 23:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  So your unwanted biased opinion speaks for the entire face of humanity? Your belief no one is interested in this story is your own opinion and you can keep it to yourself. There are dozens of folks who are interested in this type of stuff. JacksonViking (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I actually agree with John's opinion that the section doesn't belong, but for a slightly different reason. While I believe notability guidelines do not directly apply to whether particular information should be included in articles on notable subjects, they can sometimes help determine how significant a particular piece of information is to the article. In the spirit of WP:PERSISTENCE, information about relatively minor events that do not receive prolonged news coverage should probably be left out. If you found a source that's say 6 months after the event of something in the Controversy section that showed a prolonged response, I would reconsider. For instance, if the Board of Education held a meeting several months after an event to address community concerns, that would suggest that the event was substantial in the district. I haven't checked all sources for the section, but if any meet that criteria, feel free to note that here and I'll take a look. ~ RobTalk 02:25, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your helpful advice!! I'll show you one substansial event.
This one was reported for over one year starting around 
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/03/suspect_in_attempted_rape_case.html
then more reports here 5 months after
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/11/hollis_sanders_iii_pleads_no_c.html
then more here about 10 months afterwards
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2010/01/jackson_man_sentenced_to_40_to.html
There is an ongoing investigation currently about a teacher who has sent nudes to dozens of girls and is being arraigned.
JacksonViking (talk) 05:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Simply talking about the trial isn't something that would indicate that this is significant to the school. There would need to be coverage of a significant dialogue or controversy in the community as a result of this event to warrant inclusion in the article. Even then. we would have to be extremely careful not to violate WP:BLP. Probably the best example of what would make me seriously consider including this in the article would be what I provided earlier; a response from the district months after the fact or an ongoing community reaction. ~ RobTalk 06:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where do I talk about philantrophy John from Idegon 

message: Again someone is trying to sneak the controversy section discussed above back into the article by following it with a more or less legit edit. This pattern has been ongoing since the editor in the section above was blocked indefinitely. Please stop. Come here and attempt to get consensus. John from Idegon (talk) 06:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets get this show on the road. I think this is a phenomenal;y compiled amount  of work and deserves to be added. It seems to be totally and completely relevant to the character of this institution.--Jaycon729 (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. As it stands, there is a consensus not to include this stuff. It's up to you to convince interested editors that this belongs (I've notified the other editor in the above discussion.  is indefinitely blocked). You do that by making logical argument based in sources, policy and guidelines. John from Idegon (talk) 18:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I cast a vote to keep.--Jaycon729 (talk) 03:36, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a vote, and I'm not gonna waste my time if you are not going to take this seriously.  John from Idegon (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize. What is the procedure?--Jaycon729 (talk) 03:59, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Exactly what policy have I violated? You, on the other hand, are not following the procedure for gaining consensus (WP:BRD), you are disregarding the existing consensus not to include it formed in the section above and you have not advanced a single arguement that rises above ILIKEIT. Pot, kettle, black? John from Idegon (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy redeux 

message: Jackson High School switched from the Capital Area Activities Conference to the Southeastern Conference as of 2018, so if someone with a higher ranking than I that has the power to edit a semi protected page could possibly remedy this, I would really appreciate it. Source is here: http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-7047180315885899869/jackson-high-school-to-join-sec-white-starting-in-2018-19-school-year/ Finchwidget (talk) 01:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , you are autoconfirmed.  There is no reason you cannot edit this yourself. Semi protection, which is likely permanent on this article, only blocks IP and non-autoconfirmed editors. John from Idegon (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. That's strange; it won't let me edit it. It still shows the lock symbol and redirects to the semi-protection section of the protection policy when I attempt to edit it. I can put up a screenshot of it if you'd like. Otherwise, I definitely would have already edited it at this point. Any idea why this could be happening? Finchwidget (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

text: Oh, my apologies; I didn't notice the "Edit Source" button at the top. Never mind me. Finchwidget (talk) 03:01, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackson High School Athletic Conference Change 

message: Add "Tony Dungy: former National Football League player and coach" to notable alumni, noting that the Jackson High School football field is named for him. Kam230 (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: criteria for notable alumni usually require that they have their own articles. Does Tony have his own article? DannyS712 (talk) 18:29, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   According to his Wikipedia bio, Dungy did NOT attend here, although that fact is not referenced.  One of his parents taught here. John from Idegon (talk) 20:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2019 

message: Monica Pierce has been the Principal for Instruction since 2019. 2600:1007:B0A6:5471:C94D:4FE3:C836:729C (talk) 01:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New principal