Talk:Listerine

message: How about an article on Scope? Let's avoid free advertizing. -Unknown
:What is even Scope? In the United Kingdom it is a charity for children with disabilities, but I doubt the Scope mentioned here is the same thing. I am assuming it is something well known in America, but not elsewhere, please do remember there are English speaking people not from America so either briefly explain what Scope is, link to a wiki article about or reference an external link which has information on the story! Feebtlas 20:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Sorry for not signing the comment above). Look at the third paragraph of the article. Basically, Scope is a competitor. I'm actually not sure anymore whether it deserves its own article; it doesn't have the history Listerine has. But all it has now is a short sentence in the disambiguation. Twilight Realm 20:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope

message: Will it effect the out come of the drug test? -Unknown
:Gargling with it wouldn't affect the outcome of a urine or blood test, as enough of it doesn't enter your blood stream to be detected.  It will, however, cause a higher reading on a breath analyzer test, as shown on an episode of, I think, Brainiac (a comedy/entertainment/science show from the UK).  The breath analyzer systems in use read the amount of alcohol on your breath, and then extrapolates that number to determine the amount in your blood.  If there is alcohol in your mouth, it can give false readings as alcohol on your breath.  This being said, you'd have to gargle, spit and take the test within a few minutes, or the alcohol would evaporate or be diluted by saliva and swallowed, and then you'd have a normal reading.  --X 0 15:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since mints are known to cause false negatives on saliva tests (specificly tests for cannabinoids) I would hazard a guess that listerene would do the same thing, albeit in a much more noticeable and less portable way. -Unknown
In the UK if you fail the brethalyser (blowing into a tube test) then you are taken to the police station to get a blood / urine test. Its the results of the latter test(s) which are actually used in court 94.168.168.153 (talk) 10:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Effect on saliva drug test?

message: :There is no evidence that its properties as a solvent, mainly from the 26.9% (in regular Listerine) alcohol, cause an easier reception of carcinogens.
If this were true, there would be no controversy, would there?  Well, at least among the rationally minded. I sense a POV problem here, or perhaps the author just neglected to describe the controversy.
A large and often-cited study suggesting such a link is the National Cancer Institute study of 1991.   In interviews of 866 patients with oral cancers and 1249 controls of similar age and sex among the general population, researchers concluded that "risks of oral cancer were elevated by 40% among male and 60% among female mouthwash users." They found a proportional correlation between risks in both sexes and duration and frequency of mouthwash use.
The NCI study was refuted by a Journal of the American Dental Association review in 2003.  Of the nine studies JADA reviewed, they found that two showed some positive connections between alcohol-containing mouthwash use and oral cancer. However they concluded that "the weight of the evidence strongly suggests that use of [alcohol-containing mouthwash] does not increase the risk of [oropharyngeal cancer]." --Dforest 18:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Main article updated with 2020 systematic review.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Cancer controversy

message: Listed in the ingredients... I've had 2nd hand explanations from a few people (including a dentist) that Listerine may actually be detrimental to dental health. Most tooth decay is caused by acids (including acidic by-products from microbes); although Listerine is an effective antiseptic, does the acid it contains threaten teeth? I was further told that, after brushing, the protective surface layer of the teeth would have been relatively weakened, making teeth more vulnerable to acids. Perhaps in need of an expert.
:Everything you eat and drink has acids in it.  Apples are, in generally, very acidic, but are considered good for dental health.  My thoughts are that the benefits of the antibacterial action FAR outweigh the damage caused by the slight acidity of Listerine.  X 0 18:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't generally do it for a very long period. You swish your mouth out with water to remove the taste afterwards anyway, so that would help neutralize any acid. Tyciol (talk) 15:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Benzoic acid

message: Recent news on CNBC stated that Listering "Cool Blue Plaque" is being recalled. Some preservatives in it may promote growth of bacteria. Thoughts? -Unknown
:I think it would be useful to clarify that the recalled product line "Listerine Agent Cool Blue" is a very different product than any of the traditional Listerine Mouthwash products.  Listerine Agent Cool Blue is a plaque disclosing rinse, not a anti-badbreath mouthwash. 
:It is a totally different product, with a different formulation, aimed at a different problem.  It might also be useful to point out that the potential bacterial growth problem would be unique to the anti-plaque rinse since it doesn't contain the potent antimicrobials that are the core of the other Listerines.  I mention this because it took me a bit of checking before I realized the distinction. 75.80.164.40 (talk) 07:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cited and in main article, can we call it done? BR  17387349L8764 (talk) 08:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Safety recall

message: Listed in the "Non-medical Ingredients" of the Canadian Cool Mint Listerine is the artificial sweetener saccharin sodium. Can this lead to oral cancer would be my first question, the second would be why is this legal in Canada? I would guess because you don't actually ingest the mouthwash that saccharin inclusion does not warrant it's illegality or safety labeling?
:Hi, un-signed comment. No, sweetner will not lead to oral cancer. Read main article, which was updated what the scientific-medical community concludes and what the situation and risk really is. KR  17387349L8764 (talk) 08:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Saccharin Sodium

message: Are there any public-domain photos of the old-style glass listerine bottle, or could somebody take a photo of one? That'd be nice to add to the history section. --NeuronExMachina 02:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Glass listerine bottle photo?

message: Luxo jr was years before the Listerine comercial. Toy Story was being worked on when the Listerine animation was on the air.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.241.144 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Animation

message: Article claims that the inventors of Listerine were Dr. Nicole Dyer Lawrence and Christian Bach. Find-A-Grave claims that it was invented by Dr Joseph Joshua Lawrence, and Sheila Barrett claim that the inventors were Dr. Joseph Lawrence and Jordan Wheat Lambert. I don't have access to a real WP:RS source for them, but those 2 seem to agree that the names currently there are wrong. In the absence of evidence for the other names, I'm changing them to what Sheila Barrett thinks. --Alvestrand (talk) 08:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of inventor?

message: I see alot of talk on here about the alcohol and whether it is drinkable or not, but I just read one of the ingredients as 'Poloxamer 407', which is a well known substance used in research to put rats/mice into a hyperlipidemic state.  .
I know that wikipedia isn't a doctor, but this should be mentioned on the page with regards to drinking Listerine. --Mark PEA (talk) 10:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, read main article with references - everything updated. Definitely not drinkable but has nothing bad to it. Stop drinking Listerine immediately and talk to your MD. KR  17387349L8764 (talk) 08:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Poloxamer 407

message: While this has been brought up in the talk page, gargling is not mentioned at all in the article. While I know it is used as a swishing mouthwash, I think it is common enough to use Listerine as a gargling solution to deserve its mention. Tyciol (talk) 15:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Gargling]]

message: * A 1970s commercial for Listerine featured Judd Hirsch playing a radio disc jockey, in what was one of his first television appearances. The tagline for the product at the time was, "The taste people hate, twice a day."
*Hyphy Rapper E-40's "Tell Me When to Go" includes the line "Talking on my Ghettro on the way to the store/... My 2nd or 3rd trip/Some Henny, some Swishers and some Listerine strips."
* The song "Germfree Adolescents" on the 1978 Germ Free Adolescents album)  from punk rockers X-Ray Spex contains the line "Rinse your mouth with Listerine". In the UK, however, singer Poly Styrene sang the line as "Rinse your mouth with glycerine" on Top of the Pops and other BBC performances, due to the BBC's ban on the use of product names.
* In the mid-1990s, Listerine rival Scope, made by Procter & Gamble, listed Rosie O'Donnell as the least-kissable celebrity in the U.S. In response, O'Donnell teamed up with Listerine to give money to charity every time she kissed someone on her talk show, The Rosie O'Donnell Show; this provided positive publicity for Listerine and harsh publicity for Scope, which O'Donnell disparaged on her show .
* Pixar Animation Studios animated many commercials for Listerine, before it became known for short films, like Luxo Jr.
* The punk-cabaret band The Dresden Dolls on their 2006 album Yes, Virginia… end their song "Necessary Evil" with the line "Come on and take your Listerine."
* Natalie Teeger, a character from the TV series  Monk, asked her  daughter to fill the tub with Listerine in the episode Mr. Monk and the Leper after discovering her date had previously been afflicted with Hansen's Disease.
* Coach Z, a character from the internet series Homestar Runner, routinely drinks Listerine recreationally, most notably during a Christmas special.
* Philip J. Fry, a character from the animated series Futurama, didn't find voting cool, so he stayed home alone and got trashed on Listerine. (S02E07 - A Head In The Polls)
* "Dramamine", a song by Modest Mouse features the lyrics, "Traveling swallowing Dramamine, feelin' spaced, breathing out Listerine"
* In an article in Mad Magazine satirizing television commercials, this exchange appears:
:Q. What do you think of the taste of Listerine?
:A. Taste?! I use it for removing grease from my bicycles!
* Tom Carver, a character from the 2007 movie Cleaner portrayed by Samuel L. Jackson, says he uses Listerine, the original flavor, because it has an enzyme that liquifies coagulated blood.
I'll work on this tonight, then remove this section.  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: This article is 99% US-based, even though Listerine is well known in other places (eg the UK). Some indication of where it is sold would be nice, for example, as would reference to some non-US safety studies. 86.136.253.102 (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, for DE, very similar. I don't think there is much needed to do something right now. I'll insert one citation of the essential oils, which seems different or unique.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could do with some non-US content 

message: Listerine was once advertised as a cure for "Infectious Dandruff," claiming to kill the germs that caused it. There's other stuff about the history and false promises of Listerine, why not this? I guess citation is the problem. I only know because of an ad that was in an antique copy of Amazing Stories.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.17.153 (talk) 01:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ingredients such as essential oils have some activity against dandruff and other related diseases, but they are not first-go substances to treat it, see https://nationaleczema.org/seborrheic-dermatitis-essential-facts/ or read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrhoeic_dermatitis - Read also https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12451368/ or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22998411/  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 08:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Dandruff Remedy? 

message: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Listerine+oral+cancer+mouthwash&btnG=Search
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+Listerine&btnG=Search
--222.64.213.0 (talk) 01:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?  Menthol is the chemical responsible for the characteristic cool sensation of mint and its basic flavour.  Frotz (talk) 02:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The products have been extensively researched.... 

message: On my sample 95ml bottle of Listerine Total Care, the only active ingredient it lists is sodium fluoride.  It doesn't mention the other "normal" active ingredients like menthol.  Can someone confirm this via citation?  If it's really a different formulation, then the "Composition" section needs to be qualified to show that some Listerine products do not have all the supposed germ-killing ingredients.  Memetics (talk) 06:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Care active ingredients different 

message: I don't see a page with short term and long term health problems from ingesting.  Does it cause UTI's? and other symptoms as well as mortality and amounts ..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.19.71 (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: = People are drinking this Stuff to get Drunk 

message: The style of the article is partially unencyclopedic. Some parts are full-on promotion material. Casimirpo (talk) 15:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, long time ago. Article is more than an ad.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice, free advertising! 

message: I notice that there's some information about alcohol-containing mouthwashes possibly causing cancer.  An alcohol-free version called Listerine Zero is now available.  This should probably be mentioned, though I can't seem to find a good reference link for it.  Cowgod14 (talk) 01:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the main article with citations. Added a recent 2020 study with concensus and conclusions.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 07:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listerine Zero 

message: Freakonomics says that Listerine "was pitched as a solution to 'chronic halitosis', the faux medical term that the Listerine advertising group created in 1921 to describe bad breath." It cites James B. Twitchell, who wrote, "Listerine did not make mouthwash as much as it made halitosis."
But if you read Twitchell's book 20 Ads that Shook the World, he clearly says that the advertisers chose the word halitosis as a pre-existing term (p. 64):"Here it is, Gerard. It says in this clipping from the British Lancet that in cases of halitosis..." I interrupted. "What is halitosis?" "Oh", he said, "that is the medical term for bad breath."
The term "halitosis" dates back to at least 1874, in the book The Breath, and the diseases which give it a fetid odor, by Joseph William Howe (p. 20).
—KHirsch (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just independently discovered this when I tried to create a citation for the Freakonomics quote and discovered that the text of the quote was nowhere to be found on Google Books: the 2009 edition of Freakonomics no longer makes the claim that halitosis was a "faux medical term", so I have updated the quote in the article to reflect this.  Thank you for making your comment and showing your evidence here in the talk page, KHirsch, because at first I had suspected that something more nefarious than a factual error was going on.  Just goes to show that even things we consider to be reliable sources aren't such reliable sources.  --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 22:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of word halitosis 

message: here's the citation for the 52% claim - don't know how to upload it thoiugh. .Sharma N, Charles CH, Lynch MC, et al. Adjunctive benefit of an essential oil-containing mouthrinse in reducing plaque and gingivitis in patients who brush and floss regularly: a six-month study. J Am Dent Assoc. 2004;135:496-504.
I added the written like an advert tag to the Composition section. It's written like an advert, especially this whole paragraph (which is entirely without citations):
:"The efficacy of the treatment is due to the four essential oils carried in the alcohol base being able to break through the plaque biofilm more effectively than any other daily use mouthwash[citation needed] and penetrate the cell wall. Through this method, this treatment can reduce plaque levels by 52% more than brushing and flossing alone[citation needed]. Listerine is best used in conjunction with brushing and flossing, but not as a replacement.[13]"
I won't make any changes as of yet, as it could very well be true, just poorly cited, but it sounds suspicious to me, more like Listerine advertising/ego-stroking rather than encyclopaedic material. --Jake S 03:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sounds Like an Advertisement

message: Have they stopped selling most toothpaste?  Their website only shows a single whitening toothpaste.  However, you can still get the other Essential Care line of toothpastes from other sites.  Are they phasing out the toothpastes, or is this some inefficient marketing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.162.156 (talk) 06:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, haven't, it's here: https://www.listerine.com/toothpaste/listerine-essential-care-fluoride-anticavity-toothpaste - if still relevant, add it.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toothpaste sales. 

message: I'm not sure how to do anything about it, so I apologize for asking, but the first reference doesn't exist. The page linked to is a 404, the article itself doesn't seem to exist, etc. etc. Is there a procedure for this? When I click to edit the references it only seems to come up with the last one, which I don't want to edit. I'm not a registered user (and won't be in the future) but I've edited pages under a variety of IPs (because I move around, not due to maliciousness) and not run across this before. Thanks for your time, I assume there are at least a few corporate accounts etc. watching this space.
Not just 73.173.238.218 (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  First reference 

message: I recently broke a tooth over a weekend, with pus coming out of the infected tooth. An on call dentist prescribed an antibiotic until I could be seen for tooth extraction the following week. I went to Walgreens to pick up the prescription and talked with the pharmacist to help find a mouth wash that could help with the infection as well as help rinse out the horrible tasting pus. After trying regular mouth wash with sodium fluoride and it didn't help, the pharmacist explained that the Listerine antiseptic rinse may help.
After both of us checked the label and found no warnings of mouth ulcers or burns, in fact no real warnings other than to warn against swallowing more than you would rinse with...I bought the Listerine and used it for two days.
My mouth(all over) and throat are now covered in little bumps and is so irritated even drinking water hurts.
This product should be removed from the shelves until Johnson & Johnson properly label Listerine bottles with appropriate warnings and damage it can cause.
I would definitely make these statements in a court of law under oath.
Johnson & Johnson should start also reimbursing people who are hurt by their product for the pain and suffering that could have easily been avoided had the bottle had appropriate warnings.
The below link is to a message board with others who have had the same problems caused from Listerine:
http://www.mouthulcers.org/messages.php?thread=1820  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.154.58 (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, first of all your post is from 2017 without follow-up and secondly this is a very person experience you seem to have made. Alcohol tastes spicy, burny, everything normal here. There are hundreds of alcohol-based mouth-washes available other than Listerine, and there are hundreds of alcohol-based products which give burning sensation. Please discuss with your MD.  KR 17387349L8764 (talk) 07:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listerine can cause burns in the mouth, and throat. 

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message: How do I read expiration codes on Listerine ready tabs 143.59.163.73 (talk) 20:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  customer service telephone 

message: One of the previous discussions regarding this subject talked about burns from listerine. The response stated that that seemed like “a person to person problem” and that there did not need to be a warning label. I, too, have issues with the burn from listerine, or similar mouthwashes. I can hardly last 5 seconds with that stuff in my mouth. It literally makes me cry with the amount of burning it causes. When I would use it before, my mouth would be sore and raw for days. Turns out I was getting a chemical burn from the menthol. And if you do your research, chemical burns from menthol is much more common than you would think. Anything that is to be applied to any surface of skin, that contains menthol, should be REQUIRED to have a warning label regarding the possible chemical burn as a direct result from the ingredient. It is very normal to feel a slight burn, but if you absolutely have to spit it out within 15 seconds, you are being burned by the menthol in these products. Majority of products that contain menthol (for example bio-freeze) have a warning about possible burns. Listerine does not and they should all be required to. 99.152.46.23 (talk) 02:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listerine SHOULD have a warning about chemical burns.