Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spectroscopy

message: Hi! I am writing an article about Functional MR spectroscopy of the brain. I am wondering does it fit under this initiative? Dcdace (talk) 13:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the current organization, it looks like this new article would fit most naturally in or . The latter is a subcategory of . If there are not dedicated project pages for either of these topics, feel free to create a topic on this page since fMRS certainly is a spectroscopy application.ronningt (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Mass spectrometry is not Spectroscopy because it is not based on the physics of the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter. This confusion has roots in the early days of chemical analysis when photographic plates or phosphores were used to observe the mass "spectrum". I will go ahead and remove this subject. Stephen (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: How about X-ray fluorescence? Walkerma 07:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiktionary definition of spectroscopy is 1) The scientific study of spectra. 2) The use of spectrometers in chemical analysis. Following a simple definition from dictionary.com that a spectrometer is "A spectroscope equipped with scales for measuring wavelengths or indexes of refraction." I would say with these definitions that mass spec falls into the scope of this wp. --Tjr9898 05:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely that this is the correct formal use of the term, although I am uncertain as to exactly how well defined the term is by this definition. I would point out some items in the list that fail this definition: AFM, Force spectroscopy & Electron microscopy. These should be removed from this project. Also, I can think of many that need to be added.--Nick Y. 16:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...I don't think we need to be too concerned with removing anything at the moment. This project hasn't reached a size yet where editing will be spontaneous. --HappyCamper 16:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand...if we have plenty of redlinks we can add, that would be useful too. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Polymers for an example list...about 6 months ago, most of the stuff was red, but now, we see more blue links! --HappyCamper 16:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should structure the project appropriately from the beginning. I would actually be more excited about this becoming more of a spectroscopy/spectrometry/microscopy project and being more inclusive. Just opening the discussion. Also I have noted some of those pages that are related background but not spectroscopy techniques. I have added some red links too.--Nick Y. 17:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The wiki pages for spectroscopy and spectrometry redirect to the same page. I say that so long as nobody starts calling MS a spectrophotometric instrument, or something equally silly, it should stay here. Zatnik (talk) 23:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: For this project, I wonder if we can start an initiative, and obtain GFDL images for machinery representative of the methods listed above? It would probably be a good idea, considering that most people would never encouter such machines in their lifetimes... --HappyCamper 14:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you volonteering to write a nice letter to PerkinElmer? If so, let's make sure that we only hit them once, and with a suitably long list! Physchim62 (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So long as the images are NPOV :-) Oooh...we have PerkinElmer too! --HappyCamper 02:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  You can add Analytik Jena to your list. I am the applications chemist and erstwhile web developer for AJ USA. The images from our website ajusa-inc.com can be used with attribution in the spectroscopy section. We make traditional AAS systems, AFS, high resolution continuum source AA, and direct solid sample introduction (Graphite furnace). Analytikjenausa (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: An idea...

message: Should Attenuated total reflectance be included? It is a sampling technique used in conjuction with Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy. Alan Pascoe 21:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this WikiProject is in its infancy...there really isn't any agenda set yet, so whatever you think is appropriate would be a good! --HappyCamper 02:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely feel free to add more articles to the list. Almost all of the articles were taken straight off of the spectroscopy. I just felt like it wasn't very well organized or have been updated in some time. --Tjr9898 04:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attenuated total reflectance?

message: Well, still brainstorming...I think a good start might be some sort of organizational template. Something which shows up at the bottom of each spectroscopy related article, and indexed according to the energies/transitions that are involved. Say, a nice little box that lists from left to right, all the important classes of spectroscopy, and the approximate ranges of energies invovled in the probe. Something which might look like:
                         Types of Spectroscopy
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     Translational     Rotational      Vibrational  Electronic  Nuclear ...
     * Example 1       * Example 1    * Example 1    * ...
     * Example 2       * Example 2    * Example 2    * ...
     * Example 3       * Example 3    * Example 3    * ...
Plus, to make it look really appealing, we might illustrate with a some schematic diagram. For translational, say, a ball that's sort of wiggling forward. Rotational, maybe some dumbell shaped classical molecule with a swiggly line shooting in, and et cetera for the remaining. This template could help us establish the topics and scope we want to look at, I guess in a "top down" approach. Now, I'm one for letting the Magic of the Wiki take over, so on the side, I think we should create lists of important articles, or classes of articles, and see what things need to be done. --HappyCamper 18:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, this does not cover all types of spectroscopy. We can make another analogous template for methods which should be classified differently... --HappyCamper 18:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas

message: I have made a first pass at categorizing the ones listed thus far. It is less than perfect. PLease give feedback. The way I see this is that all EM techniques can be divided further by energy/what quantum states they interact with: Radio, Rotational, Vibrational, Electronic, Ionizing, Gamma ray. Perhaps NMR and EPR could fit into Radio? Photoelectron based techniques are harder because they ionize but do not use ionizing radiation. Those that use electron beams I have lumped together. Electron Tunneling techniques clearly need its own category too ala photoelectron effect. I also put in a an ultra fast category. These techniques are generally broad band and group together well as both fast and broadband. Light polarization seems like a good but small group since they work on a totally different concept. There are also a lot of general terms that can't be pegged to a particular regime. In the ionizing category I have purposely put PIXE and Inverse photoemission spectroscopy and similar techniques that probe the X-ray/ionization bands by alternative means. X-ray crystallography seems to it teh definition of spectroscopy on the main spectroscopy page but really only fits the category of diffraction since ionization is not specifically studied. There is also a "not spectroscopy" category for those that do not seem to fit teh definition of spectroscopy but tend to be lumped in for one reason or another. PLease give feedback/ other ideas about organization.--Nick Y. 21:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that catagorizing spectroscopy types, EM regions, and quantum levels is a good way to classify things. There is the issue of black body radiation that may not fit neatly into quantum levels, but is nonetheless important. Spectroscopy can also be classified according to use or purpose or application: analytical, qualitative, physical characterization, probe structure, astronomical, and the like. There are methods and instruments used in spectroscopy: the physics of the measurement, direct and indirect measurements, sources, optical processing, optics of materials, instrument design, detectors, signal processing, and data analysis. Finally there is the theory of spectroscopy: quantum mechanics, energy transfer, photochemistry and kinetics. But there is no reasson to reinvent catagories here. Much of this classification has been done and is listed in IUPAC documents and textbooks. I don't want to inhibit this effort and will add content when I see fit. Stephen (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I took the listed articles and shuffled them so that the categories are in alphabetical order. The link is in the to do box and here. There is a plain list of the categories also. The question about dealing with background has been raised. Personally, I think we should keep the backgrounds as a related category. --Tjr9898 00:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles page was updated for the new Quantum Magnetic Spin. --Tjr9898 00:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  These categories still need some improvements. A good example is Auger electron spectroscopy It uses an electron beam to ionize core electrons and then observes multiple electronic transistions as the remaining electrons relax into lower quantum states. I guess I might call this ionizing, however it is not EM and it uses and electron beam so it fits there too. It isn't to distantly related to PIXE which I put in IOnizing even though it uses a proton beam since your observe EXAFS type data. I guess I am changing Auger to ionizing?--Nick Y. 00:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy and Photoemission spectroscopy changed from Photoelectron and photoemission to Ionizing since ithey truely do probe the ionization potential spectrum--Nick Y. 00:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think this is a good idea. Terms used for photoacoustic spectroscopy are quite established in the literature Stephen (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: We seem to be missing incorporation of articles on Hyperspectral imaging, Chemometrics, Photothermal spectroscopy, Two-dimensional infrared spectroscopy, Sum frequency generation spectroscopy. I don't know if one needs to get into the particulars within catagories like Nuclear magnetic resonance. Mainstream topics such as Atomic spectroscopy, Molecular spectroscopy (doesn't exist), Applied Spectroscopy, Nonlinear spectroscopy (doesn't exist but Sum frequency generation spectroscopy is a good start) should be Catagories. Stephen (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

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message: I have made major improvements to analytical chemistry I would like to encourage others to contribute and check my work too.--Nick Y. 21:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Analytical Chemistry

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replies: text: Looks nice. --HappyCamper 11:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: Sadly, the high resolution solar spectrum image was removed due to copyright issues. See  for the discussion. --Kkmurray 19:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is back, but this time in Wikipedia:  --Kkmurray (talk) 01:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: I'm trying to sort out isogenous, which has meanings in mathematics, medicine and spectroscopy. I have just changed it from a redirect to spectroscopy into a disambig page, but could not find anything useful to redirect to. The history shows there used to be a short article there. What I'm doing is to move the current page to isogenous series after reverting to the spectroscopy article, and putting the redirect back at the original. Would someone who knows spectroscopy care to look at isogenous series please? Richard Pinch (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: Someone made an article called spectronomy, which they claim has to do with ghosts (paranormal). They cite some paper that have to do with Fourier transform and I think someone familiar with spectroscopy should look at this article. Their references don't use the term spectronomy and my personal opinion is that this article should be posted on WP:Afd. Thanks, Pdcook (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spectronomy

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message: Just a note on cleaning up the proton NMR page. The second paragraph of the article contains the following:
"Simple NMR spectra are recorded in solution, and solvent protons must not be allowed to interfere. A solvent without hydrogen, such as carbon tetrachloride or deuterated chloroform may be used. More commonly, deuterated (deuterium = 2H, often symbolized as D) solvents especially for use in NMR are preferred, e.g. deuterated chloroform, CDCl3, and deuterated dimethyl sulfoxide, (CD3)2SO (DMSO)."
The second sentence mentions deuterated chloroform as a solvent then the next sentence mentions it again when talking specifically about deuterated solvents. I was wondering if anyone else thinks it would be easier to understand if the first mention of deuterated chloroform is taken out as it could cause confusion. Thanks Superdoofer (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes total sense. I would even mention the deuterated solvents first, and as a second alternative the non-'protonated' solvents (CCl4, CS2 .. ). Make it so! --Dirk Beetstra T C 15:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Made the changes, restructured the paragraph and I believe it makes more sense, what do you think? Thanks for your help, Superdoofer (talk) 09:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proton NMR

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message: Hello, I'm a 4th-year physics w/ astrophysics student. For my final-year project I've been tasked with bringing a physics-related article on Wikipedia from stub/start class to at least B if not GA class. I have chosen Astronomical spectroscopy as it is one of my primary interests. As I work on the article I may ask for feedback and/or suggestions on improvements here and on the project's talk page, so if you're also keen on spectroscopy please watch that page. Cheers. Primefac (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the interest and good luck. As I've worked on science pages, I often use the articles on quantum mechanics and Raman spectroscopy as reference points. I really like both of those. Enjoy. ronningt (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Astronomical spectroscopy]]

message: Greetings WikiProject spectroscopy! Editor Leelooleo posted a  request on his talk page. Short story: he's working on an article on Stationary wave integrated Fourier transform spectrometry (SWIFTS) and wanted to get some opinions on whether or not it was up to snuff yet. Since the subject matter is far beyond my comprehension, I thought I would poke around for an appropriate WikiProject. If any of y'all have any time to spare, may I please request some eyes over at his article? Also, since I'm an idiot, I'm basically guessing that an article on spectrometry would be in the wheelhouse of a WikiProject on spectroscopy. I'm sure if I'm wrong you'll all have a hearty chuckle at my expense, and I have to encourage that. "Pfft! This pedestrian thinks spectroscopy and spectrometry are the same thing. Har har har!" Anyhow, I have no idea. :) Thanks for your help! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Article Stationary-wave integrated Fourier transform spectrometry was created 2014-01-02; it was edited through 2014-01-19; it is still there as of today. -A876 (talk) 23:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Stationary wave integrated Fourier transform spectrometry (SWIFTS)

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