Talk:Koopalings

message: I notice a couple of you editing back and forth on this. Rather than a war, can someone find a sound clip of him talking? I can't remember his voice well enough to be sure, all I remember is it sounded Zany, and like a mad scientist. How about we include 'mad scientist' first, then a relation to the german accent. I think there may be some Einstein influence in the cartoon since he wasn't always doing music, but experiments as well, right? Tyciol 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kooky's accent

message: To most fans, Lemmy Koopa had a Star Ball since he was a baby. When he was 1 year old, he only learned to walk on his Star Ball. He did not learn to walk on the ground until he was 7 years old. By the time he turns 9 years old, he will run his shows. He's the crazy clown in the family. He speaks pretty good Japanese, he calls his father Bowser, "Chichi-Oo", which is Japanese for "King Dad" or "King Father". He never ceases to play with his Star Ball. Even though, he wants Princess Peach to be a clown. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
:Where's the source for this? I don't think we can include this... Tyciol 08:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemmy Koopa's Life

message: The other females for Wendy O. Koopa are, Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Birdo, and Toadette.
:Other females in the Super Mario series you mean? Yes, although Birdo is originally questionable. Furthermore, there's the unnamed mother of Bowser's kids, Toadstools nanny (and all the characters' mothers), the pink Axem Ranger, female Yoshis and Queen Nimbus. Tyciol 08:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other females besides Wendy O. Koopa

message: I think the Koopa Kid from Mario Party was named Baby Cohort.  I think it's something like that. -Nicholas
:In the first Party, he was addressed as both Cohort and Baby Bowser. Then in 2 and 3, it was just Baby Bowser, and from 4 on he was called Koopa Kid. Agent CH 19:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mario Party Koopa Kid

message: I say delete that crap.  Ludwig looks nothing like Bowser Jr., and the basis on said therory is poor. -Unknown
:Agreed. I think there's a limit to how much speculation one could put on the Wikipedia page. The Ludwig theory is too much. Kidicarus222 20:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ludwig Theory

message: Bowser Jr.'s scarf in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour is not the same one from Super Mario Sunshine. It's the one with the teeth. I have some proof here, taken from the "Spotlight On: Shadow Characters" video from the official Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour website:
*Putting
*Par dance
*Scarf down
*I'm the one who added all that, and I've never actually played Bowser Jr. in that game. I got so bored I gave up. Thanks for the pics though, I've been looking for some for a while now.
Also, according to the article, it says that Bowser Jr. "only has two small fangs at the top of his mouth", but if you look closely, it's only one, not two. This Mario Superstar Baseball artwork clearly shows this.
*Meh, I've been back and forth on this one. It doesn't help when he's only appeared scarf down in two games and all the official artwork is taken from the right hand side. I assumed his teeth would be symmetrical, unless he lost one. Most of the other koopa kids have two, and I don't see any reason for Junior to be different. I just put it down to the angle. We'll probably never know for sure until Nintendo produce some artwork from the other side. For now I'll go with logic over observation. I'm not trying to be mean, I just wanted to show you the errors you've made, that's all. - NES Boy 21:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowser Jr. Corrections

message: There seems to be/have been a small community of big Koopa Kid fans. I'm pretty sure they existed over a small group of web pages, but this seems to have contracted now to one site, www.lemmykoopa.com, where most Koopa Kid fan art/fiction/other stuff ends up. It's still pretty active, as of writing this. Now, the point here is that because so much fan fiction and art was created and viewed by a relatively small number of people who also chatted and possibly RPed, there's now a pseudo-mythos surrounding the whole area. 
A perfect example of this is the character Karma Koopa. Spend 10 or 15 minutes on lemmykoopa.com and you'd probably think she's a canon character. More subtle details like ages or even just personality traits are also likely to have undergone this process. 
Therefore, it's important for anybody editing this article to make sure they know their sources and know that the info that they're posting is true and canon.
--Justdig 19:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Something to be aware of

message: Part of this article mentions "unused sprites" of the Koopalings in Super Princess Peach. Unless there is some proof of these "sprites" (ie, a link to pics and/or article), shouldn't this be removed?
:I've seen the sprite sheet for Morton, but I don't remember where. I do agree with you, there should be a link (as a reference) to the location or else it should be dropped. Don't drop it right away, let's give someone a chance to find a link. -- VederJuda 01:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unused Koopalings in SPP? 

message: I noticed that Lemmy's picture was gone and we need to restore it. I don't know how though. Coconufred73 21:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemmy Koopa's Picture

message: This set of ripped sprites shows that there were others besides Morton that were planned to be in. They just weren't put together into sheets, as they apparently are harder to assemble.
--69.175.56.3 05:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kids other then Morton in Super Princess Peach 

message: Should it be mentioned that IGN editors call their podcast listeners Koopalings ("Keep it cool, Koopalings!")? I'm not sure how this stands in Notability World. Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 21:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  IGN Podcast Listeners...? 

message: The article says that Larry Koopa was named after U2 drummer Larry Mullen Jr. - I'd like to add that to his biography, but the "source" simply says that is according to former NOA employee Dayv Brooks. After lots of searching, the supposed reference turns out to be an edit to the Super Mario Wiki article on Larry by a user called Dayvvbrooks. There's no way to actually verify that they are one and the same person here. So is there an actual source that can be used for the claim? As it stands, it's about as unreliable a source as there can be. Melicans (talk, contributions) 02:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larry Koopa's name 

message: As well as the U2 drummer Larry Mullen Jr., Larry Koopa is also thought to be named after the comedian Larry King. Ofcdeadbeat (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: All serous source I've seen have opposed that theory.★Trekker (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larry Koopa's name 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've been reverted without explanation on my recent cleanup efforts, so I figured I'd attempt a discussion, even though it's pretty basic policy and guideline violation:
#The VA section is not properly sourced. Not allowed per WP:V.
#The VA info isn't particularly notable to begin with. They're all minor characters who rarely say anything more than grunts, laughs, and short catchphrases like "I won!" 
#The commentary from a VA complaining about their voice clips being used is from an unreliable source. 
# There's nothing shocking about re-using minor voice clips, especially considering point #2 above. 
# The VA's griping adds little value to an article about the fictional characters themselves. It's an WP:UNDUE tangent. 
In short, none of it should have been restored, due to both sourcing and quality issues. Sergecross73 msg me 19:05, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I am responsible of the revert, I reverting your edits because you detel sourced information (totally valid source) credit of end to indicate that the actors follow have participate to the voice cast of games, voxophil recognition (be familiar whit the voice of certain actors and recognize who it is thanks to the credit, and some information confirmed by the voicer themselves which can be found in particular on behind voice actor goodbye 81.185.172.0 (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: None of that is valid reasoning on Wikipedia. "Voxophil recognition" is not a valid source on Wikipedia. Nor did you address any of my other policy and guidelines concerns. If that's the extent of your reasoning, then the content needs to be removed. Sergecross73 msg me 20:36, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Serge. As he stated, they're minor characters and this is unsourced. The quality of the voice work or the notability of the actual VA hasn't been covered by any reliable sources. Compare that to something like "Chris Pratt is voicing Mario" which is covered by dozens of sources. At best, they should just be tied to those particular VAs' articles (if they even exist) instead of listed here. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

text: or if you want i also can put some valid source 88.26.229.98 (talk) 07:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That WP:BURDEN would be on you in this scenario. But you keep ignoring half of my argument - these characters hardly have voices at all. It's not worth listing even if we have sources. Sergecross73 msg me 11:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Does Behind the Voice Actors qualify as a reliable source? I can't tell how it gets its information and it seems to be user-generated content. EDIT: There seems be some internal approval process for VAs and their roles to be added. However, I still agree with the stance that the inclusion of the VAs isn't necessary at all. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 02:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:VG/S lists it as "inconclusive", with the discussion having concerns related to WP:USERG. So...it's not looking good. Sergecross73 msg me 03:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice actor info 

message: I cannot understand why, but an IP keeps removing the part of the caption that gives the name for each character. If the caption is wrong, fix it, don't delete it. In a article that groups multiple characters in under an umbrella term, the individual characters names are essentially. Considering they rarely change in appearance, what game the image is from (the only part of the caption that isn't being removed) is probably the least important thing to note, ironically. Sergecross73 msg me 18:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll also note that two separate editors oppose the removal now too, and if the unexplained removals don't stop, the page is likely to get locked from anonymous editing, as I have a feeling that it's the same person who keeps making these weird, unexplained edits. (See section directly above too.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated removal of image caption 

message: The Koopalings relation to Bowser in their respective games keeps being removed from the infobox, with the only reason given being "non-sense" despite being sourced in the body of the article. Is there an issue with the sources? Blushmallorn (talk) 17:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: that's not really a question of source but more of a question of reasonableness, it makes no sense to say that Bowser was their father at the time but don't have him anymore, that's how it was confirmed  officially in 2012 that the Koopalings are not Bowser's children and therefore never were though he was considered that way at the time Doobledab (talk) 18:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Agreeing with Doobledab, even the in-universe relations are not consistent and it's silly to detail such a retcon in the infobox. It's better to just say they're his minions, since it's a catch-all for all games. ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated removal of in-universe information from infobox 

message: I don't believe that the Koopalings have the independent, significant coverage needed to meet the WP:GNG and warrant its own standalone article. If there's significant coverage out there, its no represented in the article or easily found.
*Merge per own proposal above. Sergecross73 msg me 18:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge - to work in the same principle as the German version and include the image used in the intended article linked immediately above where some of the content belongs after the potential merge. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: Given the above discussion neglected to go through the proper channels (a merge template) despite discussion, could we start a new official discussion to restore the page, with better referencing? It seems as high-quality as any other Mario franchise Wikipedia page. Lo Chiamavano (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone is free to open up a new discussion on anything, but unless you've found some new coverage, you're unlikely to to persuade people, and if you don't have a new consensus to restore it, it stays merged. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

text: You can always open a discussion to split the article back out. However, it will likely require more sources and a good draft article, because the previous discussion had a fairly clear consensus. (And also, out of curiosity, why did you ping me specifically for this question?). DecafPotato (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely because you're the only Oppose in the above discussion and thus on the same "side". Selective pinging could be seen as a violation of WP:INAPPNOTE. Anyway, given how recent and strong the prior consensus is, I agree that a solid WP:DRAFT that participants can look at is basically a prerequisite BEFORE opening a new discussion. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I assumed it was an attempt to WP:CANVASS the only person who opposed the merge as well. But yes, fully support people creating a WP:DRAFT and working on improving it there. I hope they aim to make massive improvements though, as it's most recent pre-merge status was far from passing Wikipedia's notability requirements. Sergecross73 msg me 17:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring Page