Talk:Michael Danby/Archive 1

message: Anonymous persons cannot add "neutrality" tags to articles without explanation. I am removing the tag until an explanation is given. (Declaration of interest: Danby is my employer). Adam 15:06, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the page history Ambi. Weed Harper 14:39, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: If it's the law you're disputing, take it somewhere else. For what it matters, I was against it. But the bill had bipartisan support, and many people spoke in support of it. The bill was controversial, but Danby's support of it wasn't controversial on its own. Ambi 06:13, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

message: I am the one who posted the comment about Danby and the Anti-Terrorism Act, over at Talk:Lyndon LaRouche/archive4. Since Adam evidently wishes to debate the point, consider this:
Jabotinsky has his sympathisers in Australia. The Australia-Israel Review, for example (which now styles itself "The Review"), was founded by a fanatical Revisionist (as the followers of Jabotinsky were called), Robert Zablud. Former longtime AIR editor Michael Danby eulogised Zablud, whom he called the "organisational genius" behind the AIR, in the 19 September-2 October 1989 AIR, noting that Zablud's vision of Judaism was inspired by "his mentor Zeev Jabotinsky", whom Danby called "a much misunderstood centre-right Zionist ideologue". 
Who was Jabotinsky? He was the man whom Israeli founding father David Ben-Gurion called "Vladimir Hitler." Ben-Gurion, who had a humanist conception of Zionism based on the greatest and most inspiring traditions of European culture (he learned Spanish so that he might read Don Quixote in the original), fought Jabotinsky at every turn. 
Jabotinsky and the Revisionists aped the militaristic garb  and organizational structure of Mussolini's movement, and attempted to ward off criticism  of Mussolini within the Jewish community:
"Jabotinsky became Mussolini’s defence attorney within the Jewish world. While he was visiting America in 1935 on a lecture tour he wrote a series of articles for New York’s Jewish Daily Bulletin, a short-lived English-language Zionist paper devoted exclusively to Jewish affairs. In the 1930s, most Jews followed the common usage and referred to the fight against Hitler as part of the “anti-Fascist struggle”; Jabotinsky was determined to put a stop to that, since he understood too well that as long as the Jews saw Hitler as another Fascist, they would never approve of the Revisionist orientation towards Mussolini."  
The admiration was reciprocated: Mussolini, in 1935, told David Prato, later to become chief rabbi of Rome, that: “For Zionism to succeed you need to have a Jewish state, with a Jewish flag and a Jewish language. The person who really understands that is your fascist, Jabotinsky.” --Bar-Zohar, Ben-Gurion – The Armed Prophet, p.46.
That should provide something to discuss on this page. --Herschelkrustofsky 02:58, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be my place to offer you boys advice, but I would suggest that you modify your approach in the following way: read the LaRouche movement's views on a given topic before you begin to issue proclamations about what it believes. Start with this,and this. Andy, you might want to try reading my posts twice, to be sure you understand them, before firing off a response. --Herschelkrustofsky 20:46, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: Despite your flippancy, I think that anyone who reads my remarks and your response will have no difficulty in getting the point. --Herschelkrustofsky 22:48, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Danby's philosophical roots

message: Andy replaced "bellicose attitude toward the Muslim world" with "hawkish attitude toward the Mid-East." The former is correct. Danby's widely circulated attack on Mahathir of Malaysia, as well as his attitude toward Australian Muslims, makes the point. Adam goes on to delete "hawkish attitude toward the Mid-East", saying that it is unnecessary to say it, because the article already reports that Danby supports Israel. News flash: there are many people in the world who have discovered that one supports Israel far better by promoting peace between her and her neighbors, than by promoting constant conflict.--Herschelkrustofsky 20:46, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Danby and Muslims

message: I am no supporter of Danby, but it is rediculous to suggest that he is not ant-racism. Just because someone who hates you says something about you does that make it true? If you want to see evidence of Danby's stance on racism, read hansard, read his speaches. I doubt you will find him supporting racism, but i recon you will find him opposing it. Xtra 22:12, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: you can't say that what your putting up is NPOV. To say that someone who has stood up many times against racism is not actually anti racism because some people who don't like him, is stupid, incorrect and verging on defamation. Xtra 22:48, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danby's Stance on Racism 

message: The second external link which purports to be from the AJN is in fact not. If you follow the link, it is to a website which is not the AJN or maintained by the AJN or with any actual link to the AJN and in fact says that the article is not as it appeared in the AJN. In fact, the site is maintained by an "The Age" journalist. As such, I think it should be re-tagged ommitting reference to the AJN. Xtra 22:22, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: in the past, in caulfield (the jewish area of melbourn ports), in federal elections, the labor / liberal split was 50/50, whereas at state elections it was 60 / 40 in favour of the liberals. this seems to show a high support for danby amongst jewish liberal voters. thus while it would most certainly be incorrect to say that there is a tendancy in jewish areas to vote labor, regular liberal voters seem to have been voting for danby. i have yet to see the split from this election, but am wondering if southwick did actually win votes in caulfield? Xtra 03:40, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: vote in jewish areas

message: Xtra, your comment in reverting my edits ("stop reverting this page to your racist veiws") is not only illiterate, it is preposterous. I am providing a sourced, direct quote from Muslim critics of Danby. Your reverted version puts words in their mouths, suggesting that they have a hidden agenda (i.e., they don't really think Danby is anti-Muslim, and their motive for saying so is that they are angry with him for supporting Israel) -- you are, in effect, slandering his critics. Additionally, your characterization of my "veiws" as racist constitutes a personal attack, which is forbidden under Wikipedia policy, and I ask you to desist. Perhaps we should ask for mediation on this article; I am completely willing. --Herschelkrustofsky 16:43, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: a person can express racist views without being a racist. in any event, i apologise for using such extreme language. however, i stand by my claims that the edits that you propound are less than reasonably capable of being seen as truthful as a sense of true reflection of events and people. such editing, in my veiw, can promote unwaranted fear, angst and hatred leading to racism. p.s. don't attack my literacy, i may not be able to spell, but i am far from iliterate, i can read what you write and i know what it means. Xtra 23:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Xtra