Talk:Shinzo Abe

message: On June 3, 2018, Abe declared that Hidden Christian Sites in the Nagasaki Region "convey the “shape” of a faith that is unique to Japan and they are truly unparalleled worldwide as heritage of humankind." (source: japan.kantei.go.jp).
The current WP article has a brief concern on a bill to encourage nationalism and a "love for one's country and hometown" among the Japanese youth. Nothing is said on his engagement for the restoration of the freedom of religion after a plurisecular ban of Christianism.Philosopher81sp (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The ban on Christianity was lifted more than 80 years before Abe was born. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 17:30, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a misspelling. Pertaining to the WP article, I would like to say the lack of "engagement for the restoration of the freedom of religion after a plurisecular ban of Christianism." Around 100 years ago, it started a process culminating in a "nationalistic" recognition of the Hidden Christian Sites in the Nagasaki Region as an UNESCO heritage. If it was relevant for the political career of the former premier, it was much les relevant for the freedom of Christians in Japan.  japan.kantei.go.jp can be eventually mentioned in Abe's past and political biography.Philosopher81sp (talk) 17:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only was the specific ban on Christianity lifted in the 1870s, but Japan has had freedom of religion enshrined in its constitution since before Abe was born as well. Yes, Abe along with other Japanese nationalists, and even non-nationalistic Japanese, like it when UNESCO registers Japanese sites on the World Heritage list, but I really don't see how that has anything to do with "freedom of Christians in Japan" or even how it could be reasonably incorporated into this article without a reliable source third-party specifically addressing it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a connection between the slowly ongoing freedom of religion in Japan and the accidental massacre of one of the most numerous Christian communion existing in Japan during the Second World War. I've just added a concern in Hidden Christian Sites in the Nagasaki Region and I agree modestly it not a basic aspect of the Abe's biography. Not having enough sources available, it needs yet to be demonstrated. Thanks for your patient replies.Philosopher81sp (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Christianism 

message: Hasn't it been English custom to write Japanese surnames after given names at least since post war times, though the Japanese do not follow this and have been trying to get it changed (surname before). And from what I can see we are following that standard here on enwiki as well (given name, surname/family name); why then were move discussions allowed to possibly create an exception here? Also, can someone point me to the guidelines for Japanese naming conventions on enwiki. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 05:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across the WP:JTITLE MOS guideline for Japanese names, contains details about historical/present persons. In the end WP:COMMONNAME seems to be the main fallback for more popular personalities. Gotitbro (talk) 23:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

text: One of the reasons it has been common English custom is that, until recently, it was also the practice of the Japanese government to use given name first in any English-language documents. But this was changed in the past year, so that now most English-language publications are suddenly using a different order than Japanese documents. The Economist is the most prominent English-language publication I know of that has also switched the order, and you can see their reasoning and some historical context here. But most English publications still use given name first: BBC, New York Times, Washington Post, US State Dept, etc. As for what Wikipedia should do, I think you could make valid arguments either way: Shinzo Abe is more commonly used, but Abe Shinzo is technically correct and aligns with official Japanese usage due to the recent change. --Shmarrighan (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The examples listed at WP:COMMONNAME are all cases like Bono, where one name is very well-known among a large portion of our readership and the other is quite different and very obscure. I should think the vast majority of our readers and editors would accept that it doesn't apply to things like Japanese politicians' names being given in Japanese or "western" order where the identity of one with the other is self-evident. Far more important, I should say, is internal consistency both within this article (most of the people named in the article's opening section were dead decades before the Japanese government recently changed its policy on Japanese people's names written in English documents) and with our other related articles (no member of any of Abe's cabinets, nor any other prime minister in the last 40 years excepting the present one, has been covered by international popular media on a significant scale since the switchover, and so COMMONNAME couldn't be asserted even if it did apply to naming order). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

text:  Didn't know about the recent change by the Japanese government, thanks for letting me know.  When referring to COMMONNAME I meant the general order in English publications (though that wasn't probably the right policy to cite). The WP:JTITLE still stands I guess and for that to change most English-language publications will have to as well (which probably isn't happening anytime  soon). Gotitbro (talk) 01:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that by the "that" in  you mean the general policy of JTITLE, and not its application to this article, right? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese name order 

message: In diff 1003950766, 新世界へ removed the following sentence from the lead:
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They gave the following edit summary:
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One problem with this edit, as I pointed out in my revert of 新世界へ's edit, is that it isn't a good editorial decision and the reasoning provided does not cohere with Wikipedia's editorial standards. Per WP:LEAD: 
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Per WP:CREATELEAD:
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Since the article has an 8-paragraph subsection which covers Abe's views on history, it makes sense for the lead to have a sentence on it too, as the lead is meant to reflect the article's contents. An 8-paragraph subsection cannot be hastily dismissed as a  in lieu of community consensus. Furthermore, the fact that the topic  is a reason to include the sentence rather than exclude it, since the very goal of the lead is to summarize content that is ; thus, the reasoning provided by 新世界へ does not hold up and in fact works against their edit. 
Another problem with the edit is that it affects the POV. A common criticism of Abe is criticism over his views on history, as reflected in the coverage given in the article itself. Thus, this type of sentence should not be unilaterally removed without adequate consensus. 
In diff 1007787353, 新世界へ provides the following response to my objection based on WP:LEAD:
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新世界へ needs to elaborate on how I have misinterpreted WP:LEAD. Until then, their edits do not appear to be justified by good editorial judgment. --Jancarcu (talk) 19:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence in lead contested by [[User:新世界へ]] 

message: To accurately reflect the Japanese spelling of the name, and to be consistent with other Japanese politicians on Wikipedia, we should move this page. Pages such as Aso taro's, sato eisaku's, and kono taro contain the accent mark (ō.)
I tried to fix this myself and failed, so I might have accidentally messed some stuff up (check my history) and i wanted to bring it to the talk page to discuss this instead of doing it myself. apologies again. CringeButSerious (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this archived discussion. --Shirt58 (talk) 02:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  move "Shinzo Abe" to "Shinzō Abe" 

message: Of course at this moment this is not a pressing matter, but something I noted when looking at the article. The photograph of Abe at the head of the "Honors, awards and international recognition" section lists him as being alongside "Gurtnyyaz Nurlyyewic Hanmyradow"; this individual, per Google, is "rector of Rector of Turkmen State University named after Magtymguly", but is certainly not a notable enough individual to be listed merely by name. "Abe with the Rector of Turkmen State University" would be a better caption, giving as it does the relevant information. The fact that the evidently not particularly notable man's name is featured prominently in the lead at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_State_University almost makes this seem like a vanity edit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.165.109 (talk) 09:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor issue

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Abe government and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 8#Abe government until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  TraderCharlotte (talk) 21:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Abe government" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Please clarify. 70.59.6.75 (talk) 22:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Both. He was a conservative Japanese nationalist and a membe of the Liberal Democratic Party (Japan). It is not the Democratic Party (United States), if that's the source of confusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

text: It is typical for people to project their own national politics onto the rest of the world. In the United States for example, it is assumed that "liberal" and "democratic" mean "far left" while in most other countries that is a center-right position, and it is social democrats who hold the center-left, socialists who hold the left, and communists who hold the far left. Only in the United States is the dual-party bourgeois dictatorship so thoroughly solidified that it is unthinkable there could be anything further to the left of... the American Democratic party. In any case, Shinzo Abe was a conservative Japanese Nationalist, a political ideal that finds itself perfectly at home in his political party. Iemeuph3Lahhe4vee9wa0shaeshaelei4xeecakiesha9ThaiN (talk) 06:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he a conservative Japanese Nationalist or a liberal Democrat. The article contradicts itself. 

message: In the article, it says Yamagami is a "former Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force officer. The connected hyperlink leading to the shooter's details here state that Yamagami retired as a Quatermaster at the rank of Leading Seaman, which has a NATO equivalent of OR-4, and US equivalent of E-3.This would make him an enlisted man, not an officer. 173.184.10.198 (talk) 02:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it ordinary to apply NATO or US standards when talking about Japan? Japan isn't a member of NATO if I recall. Iemeuph3Lahhe4vee9wa0shaeshaelei4xeecakiesha9ThaiN (talk) 06:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Notice that I said equivalent. Even so, the NATO ranking structure (OR/OF for Enlisted and Officers respectively) can be used to apply to non-NATO countries. Even going off of the JMSDF's own rank structure page on Wikipedia, it is in the Enlisted and Warrant Officer ranks category. It's also the fourth rank overall, and the third rank after completing the JMSDF's equivalent of a basic training. 173.184.10.198 (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Seconded, the Japanese Self Defence Force uses the same commissioned officers/other ranks system as western militaries. Yamagi was not an officer. Setso1 (talk) 08:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor correction in detail relating to suspect 

message: "while, Abe argued that the conflict was caused by South Korea's failure to abide by the 1965 treaty."
Not sure why this was chopped up/what it is supposed to mean, but it's incomplete in that graf and should probably be repaired by someone who is much more knowledgeable about this than I am! ɯɐɔ 💬 04:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete sentence in the fourth graf 

message: This section reads as a displaced criticism of Abe's comments of World War 2. It never touches on his actual political policies, philosophy, or working positions in respect to history. The section is clearly trying to convince the reader that Abe was an extremist and bad person. I think the section should be retitled as "controversial views on World War 2" or "controversial views of history." it should also be cleaned up to sound less like an indictment by a third party. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 06:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I changed the title, but I think it still has some problems. First of all, are his views on World War II so critically important to his personal views and philosophy that they should be at the top of that section? Also, I think the section could be seen as an arbitrary list of everything controversial Abe said about WWII. Is there establishing material on how those views effected Japanese denialism of WWII crimes? The closest I see in the section is a bit on how Korea and China's governments were "concerned" about Abe's views on history. Edit: Looking more closely, that doesn't seem to be as big or justified a concern as the entire section titled "Political positions and philosophy" seems to merely be a list of grievances against Abe. It certainly reads as if it was written by an anti-fascist watchdog group and not by a neutral observer. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 07:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed this text. Maybe it could be used in the article elsewhere but seemed redundant to continuously refer to how he was right wing: Abe was widely viewed as a right-wing nationalist. The British journalist Rupert Wingfield-Hayes of BBC described him as "far more right wing than most of his predecessors". I also mistakenly hit this as a minor edit because I was trying to figure out how to post through an "edit conflict." IronMaidenRocks (talk) 07:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Views on History" Section is Mistitled 

message: "His views also found support within far-right circles in United States; Breitbart News founder and former White House Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor Steve Bannon evaluted Abe as "a great hero to the grassroots, the populist, and the nationalist movement throughout the world" and referred him as the "Trump before Trump"."
This sentence should not be included in the Controversies section and is completely irrelevant to the rest of the section. In addition, this puts undue weight on what the American far-right and what Steve Bannon thinks of the subject. Selectively including sources and viewpoints like this arguably violates Wikipedia:NPOV. This should be removed. Meeepmep (talk) 03:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Steve Bannon is a controversial and polarizing figure for sure but the sources used for this text were WP:RS and his prior position as a Counselor to the President definitely warrants more weight as compared to your run-of-the-mill journalist. I'm not seeing how this violates WP:NPOV. No matter how much we think of Bannon, everything on Wikipedia must be written based on what it is stated in the source without the personal opinions of an editor. And it should speak more of Abe's views than Bannon if the latter is praising him in the first place. John Yunshire (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It violates NPOV because it puts undue weight on the opinions of an extreme fringe of society, a fringe group that isn't even from the same continent as the subject. "Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects". In addition that had no relevance to the rest of the section. What's stopping someone from adding "Former American president Obama stated that "Former Prime Minister Abe was devoted to both the country he served and the extraordinary alliance between the United States and Japan."? Meeepmep (talk) 04:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What fringe group are you referring to? There's nothing fringe about the Trump presidency and his administration. It's the result of a significant proportion of Americans believing in such views. And to address your second point, there's what Assassination of Shinzo Abe#Reactions is for. The difference is Bannon made those statements when he was alive. John Yunshire (talk) 04:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way its irrelevant to the section and puts undue weight on the opinions of the American far right. The world does not revolve around the US. Meeepmep (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The world also does not revolve around the Japan. Almost every media outlet in South Korea and North Korea would refer to Abe's as the far right over Steve Bannon or Donald Trump. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Some American news framed Bannon's removal from the Trump administration as something done at the request of a general who saw Bannon's connection to the alt-right as compromising. Not sure if that was fully the case, but that would place him in a fringe group. His statement should at least have support from actual academics. Furthermore, I think this runs some risk of over-emphasizing the highly critical slant that I noted in the section above on the previously mistitled controversies section. IronMaidenRocks (talk) 12:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, Bannon leaving had something to do with the violence that resulted from the Unite the Right rally. But we're digressing now, this has nothing to do with Abe. John Yunshire (talk) 12:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

text: It's inclusion is not a violation of NPOV in my honest opinion. ~ HAL333 03:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I think Steve Bannon's view should be included. Abe is Japan's Trump to put it nicely, and just a Japanese fascist to put it badly. It should be taken into account that South Korea is the only democratic country among South Korea, North Korea and China, Japan's main war crime victims in the past. Almost all South Koreans and South Korean scholars recognize Abe as a fascist and Donald Trump as a much more moderate politician than Abe. How does Japanese historical revisionism feel to Germans? Mureungdowon (talk) 12:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Japan needs to be strong militarily to keep China in check, the media in the United States and Western Europe often tend to glorify the Japanese right. South Korean media would be much more neutral in Japanese politics. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Bannon's views in the Controversies section 

message: This was interesting.  It's the first article I've seen to name the Unification Church as the organization that the shooter was angry with.  I'll leave it up to others how and whether to use this.  2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA (talk) 06:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive 

message: Not sure if publicity photos of Abe shaking hands with Korea leaders is appropriate in the section mainly dealing with him offending Korean leaders. It could be taken as implicitly counter acting the impact of the claims in that section. Of those two photos, I think the one from 2015 seems appropriate, but having two similar photos, especially for negotiations that were to some extent botched, seems excessive. Also, not sure why the section below it just has a photo of Abe on the campaign trail in 2012. I don't think we should go as far as to include photos of controversies, like the 731 plane, but I'm not convinced of the relevancy of these photos. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 08:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the sentiment, but are any possible replacements freely licensed? ~ HAL333 05:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos in the Controversy Section

message: I am Japanese and would like to add his honours. But, my editing was banned. Instead of me, please add this page.
*  Grand Officer of the medal of the Oriental Republic of Uruguay, 2018. (Uruguay)
*  Grand Cross of the National Order of Merit, 2018. (Paraguay)
Ooyamanobutatu (talk) 03:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honours 

message: Here's my contention with this sentence in the lead. The lead should be a summary of the article but the body of the article does not use the word 'ultranationalist' once, instead, this sentence is backed by two cites that seem to be taken from a Google search with the terms "Shinzo Abe ultranationalist". Neither articles are arguments as to why Abe fits the "ultranationalist" description: the NPR article is a report of his death, and briefly recounts his bio. The word 'ultranationalist' was used once in the article before being retracted less than a day later, it did not denounce him as an ultranationalist; The New Statesman source is an article that recounts the broader history of conservatism in Japan and Abe premiership, the word ultranationalist is used twice in the article, neither times it was used to describe Abe himself. The first use was to describe Abe's "“beautiful Japan” project", not Abe himself. The only time ultranationalist is used in the body is this: "Outside the country (and to the chagrin of ultranationalists), Akihito made a point of recognizing Japanese wartime aggression with a remorse that was more authentic than Abe’s pro forma apologies.", not referring to Abe himself. The article calls Abe a "strongman", "a strategic conservative", "the heir to two powerful political dynasties", the article is critical of him, but it certainly did not denounce him as an ultranationalist. Ultranationalism as defined by wikipedia is "an extreme form of nationalism in which a country asserts or maintains detrimental hegemony, supremacy, or other forms of control over other nations (usually through violent coercion) to pursue its specific interests. Ultranationalist entities have been associated with the engagement of political violence even during peacetime.", it does not simply mean someone who is very nationalist, it has a very specific meaning in political science.
In addition, it is exceedingly easy for a person to add labels to Abe, considering the massive amount of literature written about him. For example, this article is a critique of his feminist policy , and this one calls him a liberal internationalist , this one calls him a defensive realist and liberal , this one calls him a neo-liberal  and this one says that his party "has often championed socialist causes to win over more liberal-minded voters" . Now, should I add to the lead that in addition to being an ultranationalist, he is described as a feminist, socialist, liberal and neo-liberal?
Wouldn't "his opponents accused his nationalistic policies and negationist views on history of threatening Japanese pacifism and damaging relations with its neighbors" be a much more neutral sentence that encapsulates the mainstream critiques against him? Instead of battering the reader with labels like "ultranationalist" so they form a preconceived notion of Abe.
Meeepmep (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, this is Wikipedia under America's (the majority of editors, if I remember correctly) de facto "just Google it" educational system. This problem of people sourcing based on what it sounds like the source is saying purely from the context of their personal Google search is present in pretty much every article on here if you look closely enough. I don't think you're obligated to explain outside the edit summary when removing an unsourced statement. But, yes, there does seem to be a lot of attempts to label him going on in this article now, often without basis. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 13:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who originally wrote this sentence, including the "ultranationalist" label (I did not however add the two sources you mentioned). I added that term in an attempt to describe how opponents label Abe, not to label Abe himself (I personally don't think Abe was an "ultranationalist"). I'm open to changing this word to merely "nationalist". Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the sources were the problem. But, technically, every line needs to be sourced. So, if you want to add labels you should find academic sources that say as much. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 05:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Another similar line: "Immediately after his assassination, the ultranationalist right in Japan began framing Abe as a martyr.[383]" The source doesn't use such strong terms. It says he's 'something of a martyr' to the nationalist right. It says that ultranationalists will likely continue pursuing his legacy in modifying the constitution. Finally, it doesn't say anything about the timeliness of any of these separate thoughts. I'd say this one is pretty easily not in the source. Since the source does talk about his legacy after his death, it could still be used. But the wording should follow the source, not the other way around. The source is chiefly about the discontinuity between Abe's legacy and statements made about him in media press releases. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

text: There is a source that directly describes Shinzo Abe as an ultranationalist. Even Donald Trump is rarely described as an ultranationalist. Abe is a fairly conservative politics, and if there is a literature criticizing Abe's feminist policy, it is likely that the literature is very biased. Some South Korean media also reported that Donald Trump was surprisingly more liberal/progressive than Barack Obama. Actually Donald Trump was a Sunshine Policy supporter, so is Donald Trump a liberal/progressive politicans? Shinzo Abe is an obvious ultra-nationalist. Many South Koreans recognize Shinzo Abe as a far more fascist than Donald Trump. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   "Opponents denounced him as an ultranationalist" in lead 

message: Please make major changes to the article to reflect a more neutral Japanese view. Thank you. It is important that English readers understand. 121.82.160.137 (talk) 12:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please suggest some specific changes? Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

text: If you're talking about the various references to Abe's denialism of the Asian Holocaust, unfortunately the general Japanese public position on that issue is not due to neutrality, but deliberate obfuscation by people like Abe which has stopped them from being decently informed about the war crimes in their last century and a half of national history. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 08:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Even Donald Trump, accused of being far-right in the United States and Western Europe, did not insult the victims of World War II, but rather supported them. Rather, the Shinzo Abe article was written in a very pro-Japanese way. Many South Koreans do not see Donald Trump as a fascist, but see Shinzo Abe as a fascist. For Western mainstream vested interests, Abe may be a good politician keeping China and Russia in check, but South Koreans are perceived as a liberal diplomat in which Donald Trump talks with North Korea through the Sunshine Policy, and Shinzo Abe as a fascist who promotes anti-Korean sentiment. Comparing the attitudes toward Koreans and blacks, Abe is a neo-fascist ultra-nationalist who is far more than Trump. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is too much pro-China/Korea propaganda. 

message: Sometimes Shinzō with the barred oh, and sometimes Abe Shinzo without. Which is correct? Why is the article inconsistent? -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article uses the barred oh only for the pronunciation guide. If you mean what's used more in English culture, I think without the barred oh is far more common. Probably not a considerably good use of time taking a statistic of which one is used most often. It's just a transliteration, anyway. IronMaidenRocks (talk) 06:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I'm thinking about Wikipedia in general, and maybe this article should be renamed. The redirect has hundreds of links, so it's not uncommon. Normally, Wikipedia editors try to settle on a particular spelling to avoid confusion. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long oh or not? 

message: I opt for changing the subtitle "Retirement and assassination" to just "assassination." This is because there is only about two sentences related to his retirement in this section, with most of it detailing the assassination. This small part on retirement should be moved up to the part about his resignation instead, as its more related, and isn't large enough to justify a big subtitle. Furthermore, the assassination was a significant historical event that deserves its own section for ease of reading/navigability. I struggled to find the part about his assassination for a minute because of this. Cameron gv (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actualcpscm (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2023 

message: The article has an incorrect description of Abe's fatal wound. Abe was not struck in the heart. The second round hit a major artery near Abe's collar bone, and he bled to death. There was no immediate nor direct injury to his heart from the bullet. The Japanese Wikipedia article reads as follows (translated):  "According to Abe's autopsy results announced by the Nara Prefectural Police Investigation, one gunshot wound was confirmed on the left shoulder and two oval gunshot wounds on the right anterior neck. According to the results of the judicial autopsy published by the Criminal Bureau of the National Police Agency, the cause of death was blood loss due to left and right subclavian artery injury due to a left upper arm shooting wound." --Westwind273 (talk) 04:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any sources? ~ HAL333 04:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese Wikipedia article is properly sourced. Note that the English sources which say Abe was hit in the heart are from the day after the assassination, which was before the Japanese autopsy report was released. These sources are too close to the actual event to be accurate. Westwind273 (talk) 17:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fatal Wound 

message: This statement doesn't seem to survive the sources used. Of the three sources used, only one source uses the term "nationalist" and it's a low quality blog-like source. I'll be removing any mention of "Nationalist" from the article. Ergzay (talk) 07:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He is not a nationalist in my opinion. I sometimes wonder if leaders of the Japanese Liberal Democratic party including him have traditionally thought Japan is the 51st state of the United States of America. I watch military policies of Kishida, the Prime Minister, when I think it. However I will not write it because there is not any source to use.--Ordinary Fool (talk) 08:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Japanese nationalist" 

message: In the family section, there are two pictures of young Abe with his family which share a caption text area. On my typical browser (Brave), the caption text renders in a way that makes it really confusing to read because on a glance it looks like there is one caption when really there are two separate captions. Other browsers render the text with a more clear distinction, but I think it would be best to separate the pictures for clarity.  Reqdream (talk) 23:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Picture Captions 

message: The article incorrectly states that Abe was struck in the heart by the assassin. That is incorrect. Abe was struck in a major artery underneath his collarbone, and he bled to death from that artery. His heart was not struck. Refer to the separate Wikipedia article "Assassination of Shinzo Abe". Unless there is objection, I will update this article. Westwind273 (talk) 16:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abe was not struck in the heart