Talk:Rainbow lorikeet

message: The article had a lot of good information, but it was poorly-organised and the writing was awkward.  I think maybe the subheadings as I've got them need a little more detail, or need to be better combined, but I feel that it's an improvement on the article.  I did remove a lot of inconsequential and redundant information.
I would like to see more information on reproduction, specifically on clutch size, courtship rituals and fledging.  I may try to add the information myself at a later date, if no one's beat me to it.
Please feel free to better organise the article!  Lomaprieta 13:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Changes 

message: Now the name Rainbow Lorikeet refers really to a few of the many subspecies of this bird: this causes problems in terms of what  we call the page.
We can move this page to the scientific name to remove any ambiguity over what the page is referring to. It can either be a big page with all information on it or can be a fork to all the subspecies.
I'll put a tag as a controversial move. cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 02:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Opppose for now until a better justification for the move is made. The fact is that Rainbow Lorikeet is a well established common name for the species as a whole, and is used over a large part of its range. Its the common name used for the species in every guide book and handbook I've ever seen. If someone wants to do separate subspecies articles then they can but in any event there is no one subspecies that also has the name Rainbow Lorikieet that it could cause confusion with. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 04:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must admit I agree in terms of Australian-based bird books, but I haven't seen those of the philippines etc. Will try to google a bit later. cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 05:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: while I oppose the move of an individual article from common name to taxonomical name, I wouldnt be opposed to a policy shift via WP:BIRD that resulted in all bird article being changed.  Common names should become redirect pages. Gnangarra 05:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A shift of that magnitude would need to be discussed amongst the whole of Wikipedia, I feel. What binomials gain in taxanomic clarity they lack in clarity to the layman, and we need to think of the reader. I'd oppose such a move, myself. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 06:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Funnily enough, plants and fungi have gone the other way...cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 08:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: AFAIK there are no formal common names as such like scientific names. They do not need to be described, diagnosed nor published. There seems to be some sort of push toward standardising names with official lists by various organizations in recent years but I am unsure how much weight they carry {this is a subject of debate elsewhere). cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 08:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the taxonomic naming its precise and clear, where as common names can lead to problems, surely Haliaeetus leucocephalus also should be at its taxonomic name. Its just that such a move should be decided from a project level as there needs to be a consistancy across associated all articles. This article does indicate many subspecies with their own common names, its just that the difference arent always known. Gnangarra 09:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We call T. h. rubritorquis "Red-collared lorikeet". The name "Rainbow lorikeet" refers to the subspecies T. h. moluccanus. Another one is Weber's lorikeet T. h. weberi. The overall name in 1978 Forshaw's Parrots of the World is Rainbow Lory (not lorikeet) - he seems to make a distinction for some reason, I am not sure why. I am not familiar with other non-oz species, but it reminds me of the whole Platycercus elegans species which now incorporates the red Crimson Rosella and the yellow Yellow Rosella (I have to check what that page is called now too...). T. h. moluccanus has also been called Swainson's lorikeet...cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 12:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see this as any different to calling Banksia integrifolia "Coast Banksia" but B. i. subsp. monticola "White Mountain Banksia". The fact that different common names exist for particular subspecies needn't invalidate the species' common name. Or to put it another way, I don't see any problem with having different common names at different taxonomic ranks. Hesperian 12:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, good point. I hadn't thought of that one.cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 13:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: PS. There are similar problems with other taxa, e.g. Island Thrush.  I think consistency of treatment is important for accessibility.  Maias 12:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I am happy with the points of view noted above and am happy to withdraw the move argument. Thanks everyone cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 13:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganizing this article 

message: Thoughts here (?) cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 03:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Opppose for now until a better justification for the move is made. The fact is that Rainbow Lorikeet is a well established common name for the species as a whole, and is used over a large part of its range. Its the common name used for the species in every guide book and handbook I've ever seen. If someone wants to do separate subspecies articles then they can but in any event there is no one subspecies that also has the name Rainbow Lorikieet that it could cause confusion with. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 04:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must admit I agree in terms of Australian-based bird books, but I haven't seen those of the philippines etc. Will try to google a bit later. cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 05:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: while I oppose the move of an individual article from common name to taxonomical name, I wouldnt be opposed to a policy shift via WP:BIRD that resulted in all bird article being changed.  Common names should become redirect pages. Gnangarra 05:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A shift of that magnitude would need to be discussed amongst the whole of Wikipedia, I feel. What binomials gain in taxanomic clarity they lack in clarity to the layman, and we need to think of the reader. I'd oppose such a move, myself. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 06:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Funnily enough, plants and fungi have gone the other way...cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 08:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: AFAIK there are no formal common names as such like scientific names. They do not need to be described, diagnosed nor published. There seems to be some sort of push toward standardising names with official lists by various organizations in recent years but I am unsure how much weight they carry {this is a subject of debate elsewhere). cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 08:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the taxonomic naming its precise and clear, where as common names can lead to problems, surely Haliaeetus leucocephalus also should be at its taxonomic name. Its just that such a move should be decided from a project level as there needs to be a consistancy across associated all articles. This article does indicate many subspecies with their own common names, its just that the difference arent always known. Gnangarra 09:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We call T. h. rubritorquis "Red-collared lorikeet". The name "Rainbow lorikeet" refers to the subspecies T. h. moluccanus. Another one is Weber's lorikeet T. h. weberi. The overall name in 1978 Forshaw's Parrots of the World is Rainbow Lory (not lorikeet) - he seems to make a distinction for some reason, I am not sure why. I am not familiar with other non-oz species, but it reminds me of the whole Platycercus elegans species which now incorporates the red Crimson Rosella and the yellow Yellow Rosella (I have to check what that page is called now too...). T. h. moluccanus has also been called Swainson's lorikeet...cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 12:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see this as any different to calling Banksia integrifolia "Coast Banksia" but B. i. subsp. monticola "White Mountain Banksia". The fact that different common names exist for particular subspecies needn't invalidate the species' common name. Or to put it another way, I don't see any problem with having different common names at different taxonomic ranks. Hesperian 12:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, good point. I hadn't thought of that one.cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 13:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: PS. There are similar problems with other taxa, e.g. Island Thrush.  I think consistency of treatment is important for accessibility.  Maias 12:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I am happy with the points of view noted above and am happy to withdraw the move argument. Thanks everyone cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 13:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion on requested move

message: Dang, I forgot to stick a template thingy here. Never mind. I have removed it from the moves page. Thanks all. cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 13:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Closing the requested move

message: Funnily enough on IOC they have split off Rainbow Lorikeet T. moluccanus and Red-collared Lorikeet T. rubritorquis, leaving Coconut Lorikeet T. haematodus on [Worldbirdnames].... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casliber (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Update - another split reference!

message: The main photo and the ones from Philadelphia zoo seem like a diffrent type of lorikeet as the colouring under the neck is to red when it should be orange yellow like all the other photos.
: More likely, they're just a different subspecies.  Hopefully someone with some knowledge of the subject can start adding info and photos on the various subspecies listed. Only two of the photos here are identified to subspecies, and only one sp. has its page.  Fredwerner 06:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The main photo and from Philadelphia Zoo  

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now updated. Snowman (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: [the following is a continuation from talk on wikiproj. birds]
The Rainbow Lorikeet article should arguably be split up into the species mentioned in the brief text below the subspecies list, as a growing number of authorities have accepted the split of these. I think the Clements list is pretty much the only one still going with a single species. • Rabo³ • 09:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have Christidis and Boles 2008 Systemaitcs and taxonomy of Australian Birds which cites several papers argungi for a split and proposes that it is reasonable without actually splitting (but then again there are only 3 ssp in Oz). This is fascinating news, is there an authorative list with the split? I guess we should take this to Rainbow Lorikeet talk page....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, e.g. Howard & Moore split it in their list. None of these splits are "really" recent, as all were described as species (not subspecies). However, capistratus was then changed to subspecies by Mathews. Without presenting any arguments, this was followed by Peters, who went even further and changed weberi and forsteni to subspecies rather than a separate species. Again no arguments presented. As the Peters list has formed the basis for all modern worldwide check-lists for birds, his merge was the default option. • Rabo³ • 22:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Funny to think of Mathews moving a species to subspecific status, he was usually a splitter. Anyway, I remember the Forshaw book illustration and how different some of them look. Ah well, some new pages to make then..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless someone protests, I'll start splitting out the articles at some point in the future. • Rabo³ • 09:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: fine by me.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me too, as the IOC has followed the splitting also. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just for the record, this may be a bit delayed due to my schedule for the immediate future, and when I get a bit more time at hand, the already promissed overviews of the Pachycephala pectoralis and Megascops vermiculatus/guatemalae complexes are in a more dire need of work than this article, though I may end up making some basic "ok-for-now" articles as a quick solution. • Rabo³ • 05:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll start the pages today (finally!), but they'll be very basic for now. Anyone else should of course feel free to weigh in. • Rabo³ • 14:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy - how many species? 

message: The article asserts "...Rainbow Lorikeets height ranging from 25-30 cm". They are nowhere near that tall. I just measured my fully grown rainbow lorikeets and they are less than 15 cm tall. Does the measurement provided perhaps include their tail? It is a little ambiguous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freswood (talk • contribs) 05:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Length is measured as the distance from the tip of the beak to the tip of the tail, neck stretched. That gives generally a much longer distance than it appears from when it is perched. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 13:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lorikeet height and wingspan 

message: There is a line in that section: "New Zealand's Department of Conservation has declared them a pest and is using similar methods to control and eradicate them", but there is no indication what those methods are similar to. If what they're similar to can't be added, then it should be changed to remove the 'similar' comparison. MurfleMan (talk) 05:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed in 'As a pest' section 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Rainbow lorikeet.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 10, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-09-10. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng  {chat} 21:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Rainbow lorikeet.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: I find it hard to believe that Rainbow Lorikeets have a wingspan (wingtip to wingtip) of only 17 cm, especially since I saw some flying across my garden just a few minutes ago!
Unfortunately none of my reference books (including e.g. Pizzey, G. & Knight, F.(1997): Field Guide to the Birds of Australia,  or Morcombe, M. (2000): Field Guide to Australian Birds) give a figure for wingspan though they do commonly quote a figure for length (Pizzey & Knight: 28-32 com, Morcombe: 31 cm), greater than the 30 cm quoted here in the Wikipedia article.Bahudhara (talk) 04:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wingspan 

message: While I know there are plenty of lorikeet images available, here's a pair with a chick. cojoco (talk) 02:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pair of lorikeets with a chick 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Trichoglossus haematodus -Jurong Bird Park, Singapore -Dec2009.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 21, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-01-22. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng  {chat} 17:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Trichoglossus haematodus -Jurong Bird Park, Singapore -Dec2009.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: This section needs some references to support the claims. It may just be an opinion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedHab (talk • contribs) 05:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Four and a half years later, there are still nip references at all to short the claims about how they can be sexed - in contrast to the references which say a DNA test is required.  That is enough waiting - I am removing the unsupported claims which look like OR. Gronk Oz (talk) 11:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual Dimorphism 

message: Parts of the article say Trichoglossus moluccanus but the sections that describe the subspecies still say Trichoglossus haematodus or T. h. --110.174.166.224 (talk) 13:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  binomial name discrepancy 

message: The article describes that these were introduced to Australia and New Zealand but not where from. This might be great to add. Cbetta (talk) 06:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear origin