Talk:Voiced dental, alveolar and postalveolar lateral approximants

message: The l in lip is not the same as the one in please. I think the latter is more like the final consonant of 'school' or the l in 'play'. --Grammatical error 19:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The l in lip is a voiced aveolar lateral approximant, while the l in please is a voiceless aveolar lateral approximant. So they are just two different versions of the same sound. Also, the l in school is actually a velarized alveolar lateral approximant, which in English is only found at the end of a word or syllable, and is a different sound from the l in please. The l in play is a voiceless alveolar lateral approximant and is therefore exactly like the l in lip. So the statement in the article is perfectly correct.
--Redtitan 02:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lip or please 

message: what about the unvoiced version of the alveolar lateral aproximant?  there is no place to put it, so I say it here. There are languages that use  this sound.Tlantanu (talk) 18:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Some languages have a contrast between the two, while others might only used the unvoiced one. Perhaps we could add a separate section with the features and occurences? (see also Voiceless alveolar fricative, where this was done) 71.200.39.246 (talk) 19:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At Voiceless alveolar fricative, the difference was one of articulation not of laryngeal setting.  I'm not in support of a whole extra section; the notes column should be enough to simply say that the language contrasts a voiced and voiceless version (as is done with Angami, Burmese, Iaai, Tee, and Tibetan).  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 01:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unvoiced version

message: Sample sound says something like "La Alla(h)", which means "ignoring the God (Allah)" in Arabic. I want you to edit the sound.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.163.145.206 (talk) 18:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The format for these kinds of sound files is the sound word initially with aa and then the sound between two aa's.  While it's interesting that it sounds like something in Arabic that some might find offensive, I don't think that's a sufficient reason to change the file.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 19:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it offends you just pretend it's part of "لا إله إلا الله‎" TFighterPilot (talk) 09:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Heh, just saw this. The assertion made by the IP user is impossible, I'm pretty sure. Grammatically speaking a short word like  can't mean "ignoring" in Arabic. Participles have to be longer than two sounds. And the Arabic l is only dark in the word Allah. No other words have dark l, so  isn't even an Arabic word. So,  can't mean "ignoring God" in Arabic. — Eru·tuon 04:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample Sound 

message: I have seen <ɫ> used to represent the velarized/'dark' l in phonology texts more often than the pair of symbols whose decimal entities and Unicode hex codes are given in the infobox.  Furthermore, since there is only one symbol required (decimal 619, hex code U+026B), perhaps this symbol should be presented as the top IPA representation and its character codes given, rather than <lˠ>.  Does anyone else think this might be a good edit to make?  BlueCaper (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Velarized version: different entity/Unicode instead? 

message: I can't get access to the reference used for that, and haven't been able to find other references that go into this sort of detail (I'm not a linguist at all), but to me and other people I know it definitely sounds velarized...
--Wpatena (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are we sure the Ukrainian one isn't velarized? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: What's the point of the "See ... phonology" links added to almost every note field? One would expect such a link to present further elaboration on the topic, but in fact, as in the case of Standard German phonology , the link is not helpful at all: It links to the whole article, rather than the appropriate section, and the section has less to say about the sound /l/ in German than this article. I therefore removed it for German, but I suspect it should be removed for most other languages, as well. Sebastian 10:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  See ... phonology 

message: Re "No language is known to contrast such a sound with a voiceless alveolar lateral fricative [ɬ]" in the second paragraph: this appears to contradict the article on Welsh phonology. EEye (talk) 12:59, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Welsh?

message: Could someone fill out the infoboxes for the Postalveolar lateral approximant and Dental lateral approximant? The infoboxes show the IPA symbol for the sounds, but they're missing the IPA number, encoding information, and audio sample JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 02:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes for the l letters with diacritics 

message: Georgian should be mentioned in the occurrence section since it has both [l] and [ɫ] as the allophones of the phoneme /l/, the former occurs before front vowels while the latter occurs before back vowels. 2A01:CB10:65:400:38EB:4170:4C98:C1AC (talk) 18:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgian 

message: Listening to the three examples, they all sound the same to me - is this normal?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.216.191 (talk) 23:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, to me they sound similar as well. The best way to learn the differences is to read their descriptions and find out the phonetic stuff that makes them different. I’d also advise having a picture of the different parts of the mouth for practice. 2601:244:4500:DB10:51BA:CE1B:77B1:11FA (talk) 23:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?