Talk:Alistair Overeem

message: Why has this been suddenly changed to LIVERPOOL ?
If you listen to Overeem on the Rutten and Ranallo podcast (https://soundcloud.com/mauroranallo/28-alistair-overeem   at 1h 01min and 29 seconds, Alistair corrects Mauro Ranallo for saying he was born in Liverpool, by saying that he was born in HOUNSLOW. I will change Liverpool back to Hounslow. If anyone has any more definitive information on where Overeem was born, that tops Overeem himself (you don't, because it is BS) then feel free to present your evidence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 10:58, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Place of birth

message: Very popular nicknames for the Reem are "The Reem" "ubereem" and "supereem". If you want sources ask brew.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubereem (talk • contribs) 13:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: nick names

message: I see a comment about his suspicious super-bulking has been added.  While I do agree that fan suspicion has grown so fevered that it probably should be mentioned somewhere, I don't think in the headline paragraph is the best place for it.
I vote for a short section of a sentence or two, near/at the bottom. 
I'll wait a week or so to see if there's any discussion before attempting any changes.
Senor Vergara (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that speculation regarding the use of banned performance enhancers -- coupled with his failure to do the drugs-testing necessary to defend the Strikeforce title in the U.S. -- merits mention in this article. MisterJayEm (talk) 17:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is ridiculous. Mere speculation has no place in a Wikipedia article. Until Overeem fails a drug test he should be presumed innocent until proven guilty of using performance enhancing drugs. The last time he fought in the USA at Heavyweight he passed the test and while he's gotten alot bigger since then that is not evidence that he is doping. He has never refused to defend his Strikeforce Heavyweight title and there have been understandable circumstances such as injuries and participation in the K-1 World GP that have kept him from defending his title. AncientObserver (talk) 06:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A picture is worth a thousand words... GregorB (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yet the picture proves nothing. Therefore, nothing should be mentioned about doping until he's been tested positive of anything. And besides, believe it or not, it is possible to gain 50lbs of muscle mass in 5 years' time. That's approximately 1 pound/month, and that picture just proves that he's been in a muscle-building regimen, regardless of uninformed speculation. Insert IP here o4:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Check his anabolic pimples in his K1 time...If you know guys who take steroids,you know this pimples.You´ll see how young he will die and then you will have your provements.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.34.252.21 (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Original research has no place in a biographical article (WP:BLP.) Jfgslo (talk) 13:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

text: That just means he was cutting to 205, hence why he was fighting dehydrated, hungry and exhausted. In the Shogun fight, he doesn't look like a LHW, he dwarfs Shogun, who's a pretty big 205er. Hell, George st Pierre walks around at 195, then cuts to 170  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.92.177.17 (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

text: No, there are plenty of opinion articles, not news. And none of them point to facts, only to speculation. Also, even if published by reliable sources, Wikipedia is not the place for gossips. Jfgslo (talk) 15:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

text: On the contrary, since it is speculation, it doesn't matter if they are reliable sources, because Wikipedia is not an opinion piece, a scandal monger or journalism. Even more, this article is the biography of a living person, so I point you to WP:BLP where it says: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives, and the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to BLPs, including any living person mentioned in a BLP even if not the subject of the article, and to material about living persons on other pages." If it were a fact, like Josh Barnett testing positive, then it would be okay. But all this is purely gossip at best (and fan-originated at that), so it is not needed in an article about a living person.Jfgslo (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

text: What we have here are two very vocal sides of an argument that goes on (atleast all day long on Sherdog) all the time.  I'll refrain from posting any personal comments about the actual issue of him roiding or not, but in regards to wether this should be put in this article, I'd say what's right is right.  And although it's been said that there are many fighters who've never tested positive for Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) even though they are using, we never discuss wether or not that topic should be included in their articles.  But because someone posts a picture of Alistair over the course of 5+ years, all of a sudden we need to discuss putting it in his?  I'm of the mindset that we don't need to add "steroid" or "PED" portions to any MMA fighter's article that hasn't tested positive atleast once in their fighting career.  And for as long as I've been watching MMA, he hasn't.  Wether you believe he did or did not, doesn't warrant us putting it into the article until he actually does.  Just my .02. Dachknanddarice (T‖C) 03:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Steroid Speculation

message: The claim that he is no longer Strikeforce HW champ was unsourced and is contradicted by numerous recent web articles and the Strikeforce website.  I removed it.
Senor Vergara (talk) 02:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Champion

message: I removed the link to the UFC in the see also section, because Overeem has never actually fought in the UFC. Revert if you disagree with me.Alex Klotz 22:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UFC link 

message: Why is it edited back to an armbar win over Mark Hunt. It was not an armbar!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.186.65.47 (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americana NOt armbar! 

message: Any chance we can get a picture of Overeem? Portillo (talk) 07:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: where it says in the article  "The majority of Alistair Overeem's pre-fight training camp took place at the newly opened Golden Glory Gym in Pattaya, Thailand, where "The Demolition Man" concentrated on the further improvement of his Muay Thai skills.[10]"
i think we should change The Demolition Man to The Reem. http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Overeem-Explains-Why-Hes-the-Man-to-Beat-Fedor-2438 overeem states that he doesnt like his nick name demolition man but prefers the reem or ubereem.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.203.217 (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: change demolition man to the reem

message: Are the weigh-in results of every fight really necessary?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevanchez (talk • contribs) 09:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weigh-in Results? 

message: To the moronic idiot who keeps listing that Alistair has a son, HE HAS A DAUGHTER, not a son you moron, the interview you have cited as a reference has been incorrectly translated, you are commenting on Alistair yet you can't even read Dutch?  
Go to http://www.thereem.com/, look at episode 5 the video, and see he has a daughter. 
No wonder wikipedia has such an awful reputation, with morons like this being allowed to freely edit articles and their word being accepted as truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.7.233 (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Then add the proper reference and quote where that is stated and modify the text. Don't erase it just like that. That's vandalism. Refrain from calling names to editors. Nonconstructive people are not welcome. Jfgslo (talk) 13:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: His official website should qualify as a credible reference. I've added the reference directing it to the video in question. Mentuhotep23 (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  He has a DAUGHTER not a SON 

message: I doubt that this claim is relevant enough to be mentioned in a Wikipedia article, unless it either received much media coverage (whether true or not) or there is a written source or any sort of proof available.
--Kuteni (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: King William III claim

message: Can someone explain to me how he's 6'5" here with 6'1"ish-6'2"ish Mirko Filipovic?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielherbertson/2928400923/
Even accounting for the angle, He's really not over an inch taller.  He's obviously a big guy, but 6'5" seems to be pushing it unless Mirko is significantly taller than listed. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, well Cro-cop is really 6'1" so Overeem is not 6'5" - it's stupid that wikipedia uses billed heights and weights when they are known to be unreliable sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.29.226 (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: Can someone please add in the notes section that this was a title elimination match for the next championship title fight?  I cannot figure out how to do it myself and do not see the "notes" section when I try to edit the page.  Also, please do it on the Brock Lesnar page as well and add that Lesnar retired after the UFC 141 fight.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.142.131 (talk) 05:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Eliminator. 

message: Please change MMA Record from 16 wins by knockout to 15 wins. Overeem has won 15 fights via knockout not 16. It's showing that Overeem has won 37 fights when he's actually won 36
79.69.234.171 (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed--Phospheros (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 8 April 2012 

message: Not sure if its a drug but testosterone use should be included Ruffruder0 (talk) 09:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Information regarding his license denial has been added in the UFC section (third paragraph). Udar55 (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PED 

message: There's only one K1 fight there at the moment. I'd think it should be all or nothing, right? "alyosha" (talk) 22:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  K1 in MMA record grid? 

message: Is Nuneaton really Overeem's birthplace? Alistair Overeem is usually credited as being "Originally from Hounslow".  61.197.222.158 (talk) 04:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I noticed there's a claim that he's in the Guinness Book of Records (presumably 2012) for holding three titles. Google only turns up forums and blogs recycling the Cagepotato story, and searching Guinness' website turns up jack shit. I think this needs better sourcing, and have removed it for now. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure now it's a figure of speech. Consider it. The day after a fight, Guinness calls an MMA blogger to make this announcement, and doesn't even make sure the name of their book is correctly spelled ("records", not "record", and no "book"), or give an issue date? Same as how people say "He's secured a place in the history books" or "When you look up ______ in the dictionary, you see his picture". Prove me wrong, though, if you'd like. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guinness Record? 

message: ufc ruled it a tko but it was actually a KO
68.188.200.62 (talk) 06:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ko not tka against bigfoot 

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message: That claim Overeem's weight being only 234 pounds is just not true. Sherdog says so and same false claim is then added in many other websites. Anyways it has nothing to do with reality and never in any events Weigh-ins Overeem has been 234 pounds. In his latest Weigh-ins for UFC Fight Night: Overeem vs. Sakai he was 252.5 pounds. From this link you can see even a video of the Weigh-ins: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/4/21420324/live-ufc-vegas-9-alistair-overeem-vs-augusto-sakai-weigh-in-results-and-video-apex-mma-news I don't see any point in using false information as weight just because source like Sherdog says so. Zulrah (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  False weight claim 

message: Per various videos on YouTube, Alistair's physique has been attributed to his eating copious amounts of Horse Meat. 71.66.250.1 (talk) 05:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diet