Talk:Ay (pharaoh)

message: Some questions by IonnKorr
- Was Ay the same person with Aegyptus (of historian Manetho)?
- Was Akhenaton (or an naval-general of Egyptian fleet) the same person with Danaus, king of Argos?
- Was Nefertiti post-developed ('mutated") into Aphrodite, Greek goddess of beauty?
Take into account the article "Danaus", from Wikipedia. 
"It has been suggested that the figure Danaus represents an actual Egyptian monarch, possibly identified with the pharaoh Akhenaton (as accounted by the ancient Greco-Aegyptian, Manetho). Furthering the parallel, the character of Aegyptus bears similarities with the pharaoh Ay. This leads some to believe that the Aegyptiads were an Egyptian army that was sent by Ay and Ammonian priests to punish Akhenaton and Atenists, and, following from this presumption, that the Danaids were Egyptians who followed Akenaton to Greece after his escape from Egypt."--Ionn-Korr 18:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Josephus gives Orus a reign of 36 years and 5 months and Amenhotep III had a high year mark of 37 years, making an excellent match. For this and other reasons, several Egyptologists have endorsed the correlation between the two. Josephus’s Rathotis has a reign of 9 years, which coincides precisely with that of Tutankhamen, who ruled only 9 years. Josephus’s Harmais has a reign of 4 years and 1 month, which makes an excellent fit with Aye, who has a high-year mark of 4 years. Finally, Josephus’s Ramesses has a reign of 1 year and 4 months, which coincides with Ramesses I, who ruled about two years, partly as coregent with Horemheb. This takes care of the more obvious correspondences. . Not sure whether this is accepted fact though! Markh 13:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ay and Aegyptus 

message: Why is the Osman thing there of all places? Come now. It's not a mainstream theory, and the prevolance of minority unorthodox theses makes these articles crummy. Thanatosimii 21:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning the intro... 

message: Full titulary comes from my copy of the stela of Nxt-mnw.--Cliau 07:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titulary =

message: I have reverted the article, removing anonymous edits, to reinstate the Possible historical context section and clean up the introduction. Markh 11:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting

message: I agree with Thanatosimi. Just because Markh thinks Ay is Ephraim, the son of Joseph--based on Ahmad Osman's unorthodox views doesn't make it so. All we know is that Ay was an EGYPTIAN whose family came from Akhmin. Osman hasn't published in a scholarly journal like JEA, JNES, BASOR, Orientalia where all articles are subject to academic scrutiny prior to publishing. Its just all nonsense and lowers Wikipedia's standards. Encyclopaedia Brittanica must be laughing at us all! The problem here is that Kitchen has shown in his 1993 paper "He Swore and Oath" that Joseph was sold into slavery for 20 shekels--which was the standard price for slaves in the 20th Century BC Mesopotamia. So, there is no way his sons like Ephrayim could have lived into the 13th Century and ruled as Pharaoh Ay in the 1320's. Osman's ideas are not only a frimge theory--they are untenable. The problem with Wikipedia is that someone like Thanatosimii CANNOT edit out these impossible views. Major forums like Thoth Web have Moderators who can remove theses speculative articles. 24.87.128.182 19:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would like to point out that I belive NO SUCH THING! I reverted the changes that User:Therealmikelvee made to my changes, so the Osman "speculation" didn't appear in the introduction to the article. Which by the way have now been reinstated again by the same user, everywhere they were removed. He seems to be the only one on Wikipedia that actually believes this, so how do we deal with these changes without having an on going edit war. Markh 11:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Actually, if Ay was Yuya's son, we don't even know he was necesarrily an egyptian... at least not paternally.Thanatosimii 14:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ay/Horemheb

message: http://edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/lepsius/page/abt3/band6/image/03061140.jpg 
Just some notes for possible edit. Link to Lepsius illustration featuring a beautiful stela of Nakhtmin, seems to have an extended offering formula, featuring - invocation of Amun-Re, Ptah-Sokar, Osiris-Wenenefer, using the full "ddt pt" formula ("Which heaven gives, the earth creates, the inundation brings forth from his cave"), plus an extended variation. Nakhtmin is the offering giver of all the gods.--Cliau 13:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: notes

message: I've corrected a minor grammatical error in the Tutankhamun section. I removed 'with' from the following sentence: 
He also alleged that Ankhesenamen and the Hittite Prince she was about to marry with were also murdered at his orders... --Zanthorp (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammatical error corrected 

message: To me at least, there seems to be a certain amount of visual similarity between the statue of Ay and the more famous one of Nefertititi, as you would expect from Father and Daughter.
The letters to the Hittite king smells like a put up job to me.The letters could only have been organised at the highest level and the Prince Zannaza was killed by the "men and chariots of Egypt".
If Tut died in March then the second letter of "where is your son" means that the military campaign season is advanced with the ambush already arranged and likely to leak. The Hittite king may have bought the story but seems to have had some suspicions and sent only a surprising junior prince to marry the crown princess of a superpower.
After the plague, whatever it was, borders were in a mess and populations on the move. Ay and horemheb needed a short war against the Hittites to stabilise their borders. The Hitler organised Polish border incident readily comes to mind.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 (talk) 10:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  a couple more points 

message: " His death was natural" (about Tut)
There is no reason to assume this and to pass it off as fact does a disservice to the reader.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.134.5 (talk) 03:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  speculative and unencyclopedic 

message: The whole country must have been in an uproar after a plague and the death of pharoah Tut. It seems unlikely that Ay could have taken the throne while an active General Horemhab still had control of the army.
One scenario is that they were surviving oldest and youngest brothers and a degree of trust between them. With the older brother as pharoah he would ensure that the younger, more active brother received all the necessary supplies to go on campaign and sort out Egypts borders and anybody else who wanted to try their luck as the plague had abated. 
Both brothers must have been aware that this was a good policy as Horemhab would be next pharaoh anyway but with settled borders.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Kunene (talk • contribs) 12:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ay and Horemhab 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There may be a possible connection between these both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ay  (Egypt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ay_kingdom   (IT IS A TAMIL KINGDOM - More then 3000 - 4000 yeses back)
Please take this is a note  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.48.73 (talk) 09:44, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ay" Origin - Reg  (Tamil Nadu, India) 

message: This theory is brought up on both Ay and Nakhtmin's pages with no citation, and is even dismissed outright on Nefertiti's page. The only evidence to make this connection is that Ay's wife Tey was Nefertiti's wetnurse, so the theory is thin at best. This should probably be clarified.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoom'lah (talk • contribs) 22:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ay as Nefertiti & Mutnodjmet/Mutbenret's father? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved.(non-admin closure)  Turnagra (talk) 10:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ay →  – No primary topic for this 2 letter word. Though the pharaoh gets the most views of topics called "Ay" some of the uses of the acronym have many more views[] or long-term significance. Google, Images and Books seem split though many results aren't topic WP covers. Redirect to AY per WP:DABCOMBINE. Crouch, Swale (talk)  21:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 28 March 2022