Talk:Prince Hall Freemasonry

message: I don't think I'm convinced yet that this proposed merger would be useful; PH Freemasonry has a long history after the death of Prince Hall himself, and I'm worried that this article will never be expanded to cover that if it's subsumed into Prince Hall.  It might make more sense to merge Prince Hall into this article, but Prince Hall seems like a weighty enough figure to sustain an article on his own, too... any thoughts?  --Dvyost 15:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wandered in, so I have no strong opinion. I think expanding the article as you describe would be fine. If you want to, you could replace the merge suggestion with a 'Please expand' tag. I know nothing about the subject, but both articles are interesting and well-written. Tom Harrison (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree, and have pulled the tag accordingly.  I'm holding off on an expand tag for now, because I don't see any reason to mark this article in particular (I generally think of all non-featured wikipedia articles as having an "expand" tag)...  --Dvyost 07:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. The issue itself was not mildly irritating, the logic was. & agree on the expand thingie. Exactly. Oh, & I'm not good at saying this, historically, here on Wiki-, but very good points, your first lines there, D. Plus it looks like PHF is going through a lot right now, which perhaps will be reflected here soon.Grye 12:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Prince Hall is a BIO article, and this is organizational.  It may in fact be more appropriate to move that information here and stick the link there.  The main issue is that we don't have anyone who's really a specialist on PHA who has the materials to expand this article.  I've got a few books by Walkes, but he was by no means the only PHA researcher out there. MSJapan (talk) 04:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

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message: Editors ought to start writing relevant material about racism in Freemasonry ; there would perhaps be no Prince Hall Lodges if Masons had not been against the admission of blacks. Thomas Jefferson, a noted sympathizer to Masonry, did own slaves, which did not prevent him from proclaiming the rights of man. Apart from this, there are notable allegations about cooperation between Masons and Ku Klux Klan.  ADM (talk) 21:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think it's that notable a topic. What can you say about racism in Freemasonry that you can't say about racism in America at large? And yes, there were certainly Masons who didn't learn the lessons taught in the degrees. :-( But again, why is that notable? Just because our ideal is to take good men and make them better doesn't mean that we're any more likely to succeed at it...--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism in Masonry

message: See section: The Grand Lodge of Ireland. Worshipful Master of  Lodge No. 441, The Grand Lodge of Ireland, the military traveling lodge which was attached to the 38th Regiment of Foot with the British forces stationed in Boston was Serjeant John Batt. The Complete Idiot's Guide to Freemasonry, Second Edition. Penguin, February 21, 2013. By Worshipful Brother S. Brent Morris, PhD, 33°. Google Books 
Retrieved: June 19, 2015. References to W.M. Batt are also contained in most Prince Hall literature. Tjlynnjr (talk) 02:02, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  W.M. (Serjeant) J.  Batt 

message: Ín this edition the officer's name was 
brady 174.251.65.82 (talk) 03:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 174.251.65.82 (talk) 03:16, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

text: He's been working 174.251.65.82 (talk) 03:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brady  

message: The following sentence is cumbersome and could be made more clear and simple:
"Since they were unable to attain integration, the blacks concentrated on recognition from white Masons that, because black Masonry descending from Prince Hall of Massachusetts had received its charter from the English Grand Lodge, it was legitimate and not "clandestine", and was entitled to all Masonic rights, such as intervisitation between black and white lodges, without prejudice."
Its seven clauses, in my humble opinion, ask far too much of this sentence to maintain coherency, especially for average readers. As the topic is not my area of expertise, I didn't want to accidentally change any meaning by attempting to edit it myself. I would suggest breaking the sentence into multiple sentences. Also, the word "it" (in "it was") should perhaps be removed as it does not properly connect back with "white Masons that" two clauses back. In other words, in essence, "the recognition was legitimate," is better than "the recognition it was legitimate."    But that's minor in comparison with the general unwieldy clunkiness of this overburdened sentence. Madscribbler (talk) 02:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cumbersome Sentence