Talk:Colonization of the Congo Basin

message: An article entitled 'The Colonisation of the Congo' should also discuss the French Congo and the explorations of Pierre Savorgnan de Brazza. 41.241.52.187 22:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonisation of the ''Belgian'' Congo 

message: There are multiple years that could be mentioned as starting year: e.g. Livingstone first exploring the Lualaba (upper Congo River) in 1871, and Stanley's first following that river into Congo into the Atlantic (1876). Together they traveled only on Lake Tanganyka 1871-1872, after their meeting. This article now looks like to mix these travels and years (I changed the intro into 1876, but that need not be the final fact). And: we need to describe what is "the Congo"?
* the two current states Congo Brazzaville and Congo Kinshasa (skip Angola's Cabinda?)
* the Congo river basin (includes Lake Tanganika)
* the former Kingdom Kongo (upstream of the Stanley Falls there was nothing Congo at all, just Lualaba river).
Wel, here are the firsts by Europeans:
* (before & until: Arab slave-trading, mainly inland)
* earlier: Portuguese establishing posts in the coastal region
* 1854-1856: Livingstone entering south Congo basin far inland from Lualabe Louanda (now Angola). He did not reach the main river Congo, mostly diverting to the Zambesi river in the south
* Lake Tanganika from the east: 1858, Burton & Speke
* 1866-1871: Livingstone reaching Lualaba river (=upstream Congo) from the southeast, returned
* 1871-1872: Stanly meets Livingstone on the eastcoast of Lake Tanganika, and travels some months with him on the lake. Afterwards he returns to England. Livingstone goes on southwards, Zambesi again, and dies there.
* 1876 Stanley enters Congo basin from Zanzibar, west of Lake Tanganyka, finds and follows Lualaba river and ends up in Boma, westcoast.
* 1879 Stanley starts Congo upwards to make it a private colony for Leopold.
So what should we write? Stanley in 1876 just sailed the river, clearly without claiming any posession. Discovery, trading posts: OK no colonisation. I suggest to say Stanley's 1879 trip, with Leopold at home claiming all of its results. Suggest to rewrite relevant parts, and also introducing the before-situation.-DePiep (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Addings -DePiep (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting year 1867, 1871, 1876 or ...? 

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message: This section grammatically does not lead on from anything, and thus appears to have a deleted first section.
additionally, the phrasing around mystery lends an unscientific and implicitly European focused narrative; I think it would be better to rephrase as 'remained unexplored/unknown/unreached by European colonialists/explorers...' Patrickredma (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early European Exploration