Talk:Varun Gandhi

message: The reports make it clear that he did receive a degree from the University of London. It is a 'distance' degree, but a genuine degree. The University of London diastance degrees are administered by (i.e. curriculm is set and testing is done by them) colleges that are part of University of London. In case of his degree, it was indeed administered by London School of Economincs. However he did not finish his master's degree program.--ISKapoor (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  His University of London degree

message: Hi 66.129.224.36, looks like we're getting stuck reverting each other's edits.
Let me make a couple of points:
1. I see you feel the media is biased. while there might be some truth to that, wikipedia has to reflect what the media is saying. those are the rules.
2. Please feel free to edit the section we're warring over (with ref to the 3 rapes). But please don't remove my well-referenced text. and please find a better source than Youtube (which is not considered a reliable source).
Cheers, hopefully we can stop wasting each others time!
- --vvarkey (talk) 16:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  66.129.224.36 (talk) (19,884 bytes) (Vvarkey you can't always believe in the biased media..) 

message: Image:Nuisance strucked police head querter in Pilibhit 28 march 2009.jpg|A policeman fires in air to disperse supporters of Varun Gandhi, outside the Pilibhit district jail after arrest in Pilibhit, March 28, 2009.
Image:Police taking Varun to jail in Pilibhit 28 mar 2009.jpg|Supporters of Varun Gandhi throw stones as a policeman tries to stop them with a baton outside the Pilibhit district jail after his  arrest in Pilibhit, March 28, 2009 over his inflammatory comments against Muslims.
Image:Varun after court arrest in Pilibhit 28 march 2009.jpg|Policemen clear the way for the police van in which Varun Gandhi is sitting after his arrest in Pilibhit march 28, 2009 over his inflammatory comments against Muslims.
Image:Varun's supports creating nuisance in Pilibhit 28 mar 2009.jpg| Supporters of Varun Gandhi gather outside the Pilibhit district jail after his arrest in Pilibhit, on March 28, 2009. over his inflammatory comments against Muslims.
Image:Varun's supporter and Police had clashes in Pilibhit 28 march 2009.jpg|Supporters of Varun Gandhi throw stones as a policeman tries to stop them with a baton outside a district jail after his arrest in Pilibhit, on March 28, 2009 over his inflammatory comments against Muslims.
Image:Lathi charge on Varun Gandhi's Supporters on 28 March 2009 in Pilibhit.jpg|Lathi charge on Varun Gandhi's Supporters on 28 March 2009 in Pilibhit.
Please discuss how/if these images should be in the article.
In my view, there should be only 1 image of what happened when Varun was arrested. Varun's arrest is not significant enough to have 6 more images showing it. --vvarkey (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shaken Pilibhit - 28 Mar 2009 

message: 66.129.224.36:
Youtube & other user-generated content is not considered a reliable source. If you have other links to the video, please add those, and then we can discuss the text. But as it stands, please don't just blindly put back what i've just removed.
Also, regarding the text you've been adding at the top of the Election Controversy para: It does not make sense to put in detailed text trying to disprove the allegations even before the allegations have been stated. If you want you can put a brief statement there on the lines of "Varun denies making these statements" or something.
Have you considered creating an account on Wikipedia, rather than editing using an IP address? You edits will generally be taken more seriously if you do. (Just my opinion)
Cheers
- --vvarkey (talk) 18:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube 

message: Hi Vvarkey,
It is wrong to assume that youtube isn't a reliable source. These are not private videos, but videos which "went on air" and are put by bonafide media channels with names: 'timesnowonline' and 'starnewstv' in youtube. I couldn't locate these videos on the websites of these news channels. And as you might agree almost whole of the media is biased in reporting and Varun's defense is buried. And these pointers to youtube are only showing what Varun had gone on air.
You need to be neutral in reporting events. You cannot just put one side of the story, while ignoring the rest. That is what democracy is. You are making your own rules here. Where does Wikipedia say that videos which went on air and posted on youtube cannot be referenced?
Also, viewers need to be made aware of the controversy of a news report before delving into the details. It is common sense that movie ratings (& other warnings) are given before starting the movie, not at the end.
So, I stand by my decision to put the tribuneIndia news article that doubts the veracity of the claims before the reader goes through the alleged communal remarks.
Hope we don't waste each other's time.
Thanks!
: Hi there. I see now that this video is from the channel of timesnowonline. I'm fine with it then. Sorry about the confusion.
: I am editing the text, so please review it. some of it is in the 3 rapes para, the rest in the 'denial' para directly above that.
: regarding the other text, you're welcome to add a brief line, saying something on the lines of "Varun denies making these statements" at the top. it HAS to be brief, like movie ratings are. If you want to go into details about sikhs & muslims who allegedly attended the speech, etc., you can only add those later in the text, after all the allegations are stated. this is just the normal way to do prose. also, i am highly dubious of this one article. i have'nt seen this info on times, cnn-ibn etc. so it is being given undue importance.
: also please note that I have changed your OR on the 3 rapes. the reference clearly says (verbatim): "his allegation of communal motivation in recent rape cases is similarly fabricated.", so the text reflects that.
: If you're going to be working on this article extensively, please create a login. it just makes things more efficient etc.
: - --vvarkey (talk) 06:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube channels from timesnowonline & starnewstv are valid 

message: The lead appears to call him - Feroze Varun Gandhi. Wasn't Feroze his grandfather (). AFAIK his name is simply Varun Gandhi (or Varun Sanjay Gandhi - to use his middlename). This is supported by his website . Does anyone think otherwise? I will wait for any response  before I change the lead --MK 13:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Name - Varun or Feroze? 

message: I just noticed that one of the editors of this article User:Gemmifer13 seems to be uploading and using images from the subject's official website () in this article. An example would be :File:Varungandhi1.png (source:  and used in ). Also, the user's contributions almost exclusively focus on this article. Which is why I have added a COI tag to the article. See WP:COI --MK 14:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can only add images to Wikipedia that you have taken or that are work-for-hire for you. Other images you can only add if you have written permission of the copyright holder. Hekerui (talk) 22:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info, hekerui :) Yes, I wasn't aware of that earlier, but have now got written permission of the copyright holder, and that will be sent to wiki by the copyright holder tomorrow. However, my point is, the fact that these pictures are on the subjects website should NOT be an issue. Gemmifer13 (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Just making sure. All I need is to say there's none :) Keep up the good work --MK 19:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, MK :) Gemmifer13 (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI (Conflict of Interest) 

message: 74.248.242.38 (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is nothing more than a marketing campaign for Gandhi,  while trying to be not completely blatant so as to fit in wiki's rules. 

message: If you read this section, there's a good chance it was written by a BJP/ Varun sympathiser. For example, can you really say sentences like:
"The Varun Gandhi controversy was said to be the biggest media scam of the decade." are neutral? In fact, read the section, and all of the section is presented from V. Gandhi's POV, and NOTHING that the media has actually said is presented. In fact, the only mention of the media is in criticism of their coverage (which is not invalid in itself), but there is no criticism of him. For example, no politicians' comments against him are included, or any analysis of his speech in a negative way is included. This spells like BJP propaganda, and it's not surprising, because if you look at the BJP wikipedia page, the BJP supporters remove any criticism of their party, claiming it's a reaction against so called communist forces. We need to stop this irrational responses, otherwise all these articles on Indian politics will remain biased and a mess.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.48.97 (talk) 12:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this article seems like it has a pretty bad pro Varun slant. I mean look at this "Unlike other young people of his generation, he had always had a deep interest in politics believing that one must participate in the system in order to change it.“ That prety clearly breaks the guidlines. However, since I don't know that much about indian politics, I'm going to put it a POV check.Afuhz (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   Dalchand Criticism section seems  more like a defence section 

message: The article is horribly written, and it has a huge POV bias towards Varun and BJP. Especially the criticism for the Pilibhit rally. And if anyone will notice, the whole article is made up of Varun Gandhi's statements and speeches. Totally inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. It looks more like a news article. I would appreciate it if someone comes forward to rewrite the article. MikeLynch (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV issue. 

message: :Most of the article seems to be an election campaign speech by Varun. The citations given do not reflect the words written in the article. And also, just citing a newspaper article does not make the content encyclopedic. I have removed the conflicting sections after scrutiny. If anyone has objections, please reply here than just reverting the changes. MikeLynch (talk) 12:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant abuse of NPOV 

message: I found this article VERY poorly written and fragmented! I'm not sure if the subject deserves to be on wikipedia, but as long the article exists it becomes our responsibility to maintain a basic level of English (to say the least), which it lacks!
I'm working to improve it at the moment!
Amartya ray2001 (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written 

message: This article deserves to be simiprotected!
Amartya ray2001 (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi Protected

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