Talk:The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)

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Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked User:YellowMonkey to lock the article a little over a year ago as their had been much vandalism contributed to the page. Take care. ATC . Talk 00:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
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message: I honestly don't normally bother writing a bunch of tags and stuff on articles needing cleanup but this article was just so egregious to me I felt I had to make note of this. From distracting, sandwiched, unnecessary, quote boxes with quotes just promoting the show, to NPOV issues and possible original research regarding the series's cancellation (no mention of Nickelodeon's stance) and awards won, to MOS:TVPLOT issues, to citing puffery quotes from PRNewswire press releases, this is really in bad shape and for one that receives 500+ daily views (this is still actively read), embarrassing.
Moreover, I feel like user , who has written 73% of this article, is more than just a fan. In two IMDb reviews of the show which are written like press releases (e.g., "Beautifully scripted/directed/produced, stay tuned to back-to-back of new episodes, Saturday's (on Nickelodeon) at 8:30PM/ET.") under their former Wikipedia username AnnieTigerChucky, they admit they "had the chance of receiving an autograph by the brothers in the mail in August 2007 (through a jazz saxophonist who is friends with my parents), asked the family a question at the TimesCenter Stage in January 2008 (which can be seen on YouTube), won an online contest to appear as an extra on their show, and met the family backstage after their concert a few months later. They are exceptionally nice people."
Okay, but just because one meets the cast of a TV show doesn't mean one weirdly promotes the director Polly Draper at every opportunity in this article like she's the star of the show... (why do you care about her so much?) "Being the showrunner—or leading executive producer, Polly Draper supervises the writers room, employs the cast and crew, and negotiates the budget with studio and network bosses. She also serves as head writer (another task of the executive producer) by writing most prolifically, editing scripts, and conveying storyline ideas for each episode. " This (and other sentences) come across as very PR-ey. What normal fan, or even superfan, writes stuff about someone like this. This is Wikipedia, not LinkedIn... Is the "jazz saxophonist who is friends with my parents" a coworker of Michael Wolff, who is the husband of Polly Draper? This feels like a conflict of interest. 
Forgive me if this IMDb account is not connected to you and you didn't write the stuff I referred to, but nonetheless, this article has major issues, and one person is responsible for 73% of it. In fact, user ATC has been called out on Talk:Polly Draper#Written like a press release in the past.
Multiple articles related to the show are unreferenced and unnotable:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekicks_(The_Naked_Brothers_Band)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bands_(film)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Girl_(film)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mojo
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine_Dream_Date
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Idol
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Premiere_(film)
The List of The Naked Brothers Band episodes, which is written 51% by user ATC, also weirdly promotes Polly Draper: "*Note: Regardless of the episodes the boys' mother Polly Draper, the series creator and showrunner, did not direct, she still directed many of the scenes and supervised the director throughout most of its shooting." At every opportunity, informing readers "look!!! Polly Draper did this!!" Judging by the fact she doesn't seem like someone a normal person would be a fan of (who stans an obscure actress/director to the point they write stuff like this lol?), I can only infer this is due to a blatant COI.
I think going forward, the text should focus on the show, not its director so much. I also think removing the blatant PR quotes by Nickelodeon people and many others will improve it. Sorry, but this article really damages the reputation of Wikipedia in my opinion. Heartfox (talk) 07:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive issues