Talk:Northwich

message: #A bit more tidying up and expansion of various sections, and this article could be submitted for assessment in order to gain "Good Article Status".
 DDStretch  (talk) 02:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment Report 

message: Can anyone verify that Placebo are connected with Northwich?
Yes... the drummer (?) lived just round the corner from me.
:: The previous drummer in 'Tears for Fears' also lives in this area. Not sure if it's worth a mention? Gregh 19:05, 13 Sep 2006 (UTC)
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message: Why do the modarators seem unwilling to acknowledge the outling parts of the town like Weaverham, Rudheath and Davenham that have their own parish councils as part of the town?  You accept that in other towns like Warrington where you are happy to include parishes like Burtonwood and Lymm.  To say that Northwich's population is only 19,000 is like saying that Londons population is only the 7,800 people that live within the City of London.  Do any of you actually live in or near Northwich or are you just looking infomation up!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.181.169 (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide some reliable sources for Norwich's population. Nev1 (talk) 15:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Arguably, the highlight of Northwich is a man, who sits outside Marks & Spencer with his penny whistle, he brings his dog some times too.
Is this real, or is this some sort of unencyclopedic commentary on Northwich being a boring place or something like that? Everyking 08:02, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I can verify that it's true, but obviously it's debatable as to whether it's appropriate to include it in the article... what you think? Drak2 15:44, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it if it's locally notable; i.e. if people in town can generally be assumed to know about him. It's up to you. Everyking 15:54, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is known, but he doesn't have a very good reputation. He only knows one song, and plays it over and over. Very, very irritating.
The man who plays the penny whistle is well known in Northwich and in the surrounding towns. oakesy 19:05, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just randomly stumbled on this article and have been no where near Northwich.  The line should probably be removed because it's not neutral POV, but it does seem to be a worth bit of trivia since this guy seems to be fairly well know, and it also made me chuckle. ---- DarthInsinuate 18:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it is necessary for a wikipedia article. It is too colloquial. Gregh 19:05, 13 Sep 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: I would keep Winnington separate, but I would put a list into this article of the 'villages' that make up the 'area' of Northwich, namely: Castle, Leftwich, Kingsmead, Lach Dennis, Hartford etc. Pixie2000 14:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Winnington Inclusion

message: ===History===
The history section contains nothing for pre-1874, though the area has been populated from the Roman Times (though I need a citation for this I know!)
===Geography===
The Geography section does not really talk about the geography beyond the rivers - perhaps it could do with being expanded to include other geographical features?
===Transport===
This section does not mention the rivers - the biggest transport for the town until the arrival of the railways, and probably the reason Northwich exists at all?
Pixie2000 19:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Information Required?

message: This section does not mention the rivers - the biggest transport for the town until the arrival of the railways, and probably the reason Northwich exists at all?
Pixie2000 19:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transport

message: === Wartime Northwich 1939-1945 ===
I removed the following text.  It needs citations and someone to check that
it's not copyvio (I did a brief check on Google and it doesn't seem to be) or
original research. Richard W.M. Jones 09:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from http://www.northwichuk.com/modules/wfsection/print.php?articleid=6 Salinae 15:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for digging that up.  Copyvio deleted. Richard W.M. Jones 18:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wartime Northwich 

message: I removed the following text.  It needs citations and someone to check that
it's not copyvio (I did a brief check on Google and it doesn't seem to be) or
original research. Richard W.M. Jones 09:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from http://www.northwichuk.com/modules/wfsection/print.php?articleid=6 Salinae 15:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for digging that up.  Copyvio deleted. Richard W.M. Jones 18:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wartime Northwich 1939-1945 

message: Is this relevant? I would say it was, as it is based in Northwich, but any opposition is welcome. Do not add any link to Cheshire Radio until debate is over. JimHxn 12:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you can argue that it may deserve to go on the Cheshire page, or perhaps on this page if it is based in Northwich.  However this link was (and is actively) being added all over.  See: Special:Contributions/80.47.220.20  (active now) and Special:Contributions/84.66.65.173 (active two days ago).  This is linkspam, plain and simple. Richard W.M. Jones 14:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that at very least if it's not mentioned in the article itself then a link in the external links section is not justifiable  YDAM TALK 15:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, i'd agree with that: its spam. Thanks for clearing that up. JimHxn 17:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and Special:Contributions/193.25.116.40 (active now) who also vandalised my user page. Richard W.M. Jones 17:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and Special:Contributions/86.143.95.226 (active now) Richard W.M. Jones 18:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and Special:Contributions/80.47.85.246 (active now) has also vandalised my user page. Richard W.M. Jones 22:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Irrespective of the actions of the anon edits, there might be justifiable reasons to add a link to Cheshire FM to Northwich, Winsford and Middlewich.  From the Cheshire FM website their HQ is the Verdin Exchange in Winsford (at the back of the Guildhall). It also mentions that the station will be broadcast from Davenham/Moulton , and will cover mid Cheshire.  However it probably needs to be done as part of a general media section.  I've had a look at Warrington, Wigan and Macclesfield pages, and they don't mention Wire FM, Wish FM or Silk FM, so there's not much local precedent. Salinae 23:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't really see how we can have a link to something which isn't even mentioned in the article. I'm not against a mention of the station in an appropriate section about local media with a link to the stations article. but an external link is excessive and unnecessary. If we were to include a link to the website of every radio station that covered these towns the external links section would become unwieldy and would detract from the more informative links. Incidentally the Cheshire FMarticle mentions that it doesn't start until March 2007. Am I correct in assuming this radio station isn't even on the air yet  YDAM TALK 00:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, you are right about it not being on air yet! I also don't understand why the link is to the external rather than wiki source.   I'll think about a short section on local media and see if we can link to it there. It would (in the long run) save time wasted in removing the linkspam. Salinae 10:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, go for it.  YDAM TALK 11:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Salinae 12:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mind if I  those templates of yours. At the moment it makes it difficult to edit the media section of an article without editing the same section in all the others  YDAM TALK 12:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem.  Salinae 14:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Given that some pages have now been semi-protected, the anonymous edits have stopped. Instead, we have a new user User: Elvis P, whose only edits so far are to add an external link pointing to Cheshire FM to a number of entries of Cheshire towns, as well as the main Cheshire entry. This user has also blanked a user's page (Richard W.M. Jones) who has been reverting some of the previous anonymous edits. Thus, I think we can have some degree of confidence in saying that Elvis P is (one of) the anonymous editors who were linkspamming. I've reverted all the external links added this evening, because the excellent solution of having a media section renders these external links unnecessary - one just goes to the actual Cheshire FM entry and all the information is there is one wishes to go to an external link. I hope this is satisfactory. I now sadly await some vandalism of my own user page!  DDStretch  (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Elvis P has been indefinitely blocked after he blanked my own, and Richard W.M. Jones' and an administrator's user pages  who reverted his blanking. An anonymous IP address is now back adding Cheshire FM external links to the web pages. I give up, what can we do? A previous request by myself to partially protect some pages was turned down as the spamming was not persistent enough, but I wonder if a detailed account of what is going on on what pages might be an idea?  DDStretch  (talk) 11:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "nuclear" option, if you like, is to actually get the URL listed in the spam blacklist.  The spammer has kind of brought this upon themself, since normally a link to Cheshire FM might actually deserve to go into Wikipedia. Richard W.M. Jones 11:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the nuclear option would be a step a bit too far, as the site might suit its own entry (as it now has). In fact, what has now happened is that the remaining entries which were being linkspammed have now all been semi-protected, after I requested it. It will at least slow the spammers down a bit, and they would have to be really dedicated in order to set up a rolling set of user accounts to enable them to keep on linkspamming from accounts that weren't anon.   DDStretch  (talk) 19:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It might be better just to let it ride - this is generating a silly amount of changes in the history log, and wasting too much time.  There is now a link within a media section to Cheshire FM, so there is no reason to continue putting the link back in. I'm suspicious this might be a troll, and so ignoring it could be the best solution.  There's so much more to do on the Middlewich, Northwich and Winsford pages that this is an unnecessary diversion. It can be sorted later. Salinae 22:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you are right. I see someone's been active again this evening as well. I'll leave it alone.  DDStretch  (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you responding. In answer to your question, yes it is the done thing around here that non-admins give out warnings. In fact generally I'd say that more warnings were given out by non-admins than by admins. Admins are only needed to carry out any blocking of persistent vandals should they ignore the warnings. I hope you decide to continue editing Wikipedia though and choose to become a useful contributor  YDAM TALK 10:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheshire radio edit war 

message: I've edited out a contentious claim 9about Northwich having few recreational facilities), which had originally been entered by Oaksey at 12:31, on June 16, 2005. It was challened by Pixie2000 quite a few months ago, and newly tagged this morning. Given nothing had been done to justify it, it seemed the easiest option would be just to remove it. I hope that is all right with people.  DDStretch  (talk) 11:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of "Citation Needed" warning

message: The bus routes section is out of place in this article and is not required as per Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements.  Unless there are any objections I'll remove it. Salinae 12:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DoneSalinae 21:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bus routes

message: *The lead needs to be longer, also the lead is probably the wrong place to introduce the term 'wich town'. Perhaps it should be moved to around where the Domesday Book is in the history section?
*In the history section there are a few one or two sentence paragraphs. At GA it's enough to simply tag these onto the start or end of the nearest paragraph, but come FAC reviewers will be looking for some flow, perhaps some link. Not easy to do.
*I think the Roman stuff needs to be changed. IMO there's a little too much about the itinerary, but importantly it doesn't mention the Roman interest in salt. This means that when it's said later that "The salt beds beneath Northwich were re-discovered in the 1670s", the reader is left wondering when they were first discovered and when they went out of use.
*The bits on subsidence are unreferenced.
*Also in the history section is a gap between 1874 and 1975.
*Governance lists the civil parishes that surround Norwich, but I'm not sure why. Wouldn't this be more appropriate in the geography section as it doesn't directly effect the governing of the town.
*The demography section needs to be expanded, Sale, Greater Manchester might give you an idea of something to put in. For example: ethnicity, and comparison with the county/country.
I've only had time to read the first half of the article, but despite my previous comments (which may be seem negative) I think this article is good. I like it, the history section alone made an interesting read. I also like how WP:UKCITIES has been folowed and that the notable people section has been done pretty well at first glance, not a list but could do with more references. I'm assuming that you want to take it to WP:GAN at some point, and these are the kind of issues they'll raise there. Nev1 (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More suggestions

message: Glancing at this page from Vale Royal council seems to give an outline of the regeneration the town is undergoing and should be useful to anyone interested in expanding the article. Nev1 (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful source

message: I've transferred unverified material about purported notable local people to this section. Once the claims are verified, they can be transferred back to either this article or to whatever is the correct article pending just what is verified.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unverified material about Notable People

message: Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet and Ludwig Mond, co-founders of Brunner Mond, both have strong associations with Northwich.  
: Restored to the main article, with source cited for their residence at Winnington Hall (which lies within the present boundaries of the town) Old Wittonian (talk) 10:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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