Talk:Military history of the Netherlands

message: There should maybe be a bit in here on the Dutch invasion of England in 1688. RandomCritic 20:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Glorious Revolution

message: Dear all, 
Although this is a very noble enterprise, don't you think that the page is very imbalanced? The main focus should be on the DUTCH military history, and even if a little background information is indispensable now and then to put the dutch history into a broader European perspective, we should refrain from straying too far. 
First of all, we have to delineate the subject: what do we mean when we use the term 'the Netherlands'? From 1568 on, it's pretty obvious, but before that? I strongly object against the taken course where we just deal with the military history of every part of every empire that ever held sway within the Low Countries. In my opinion we should limit the article to military acts and developments within the borders of the Low Countries or military acts abroad that contain a strong dutch/'netherlands'element. 
I look forward to your comments. In the mean time I'll add some small bits and try to start a discussion on other bits. 
Luetzen 21:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outlines of the article 

message: Dear all, 
I find it hard to fathom the worth as well as the truthfulness in the piece on 'historic enemies'. Does a country have any real historic enemies or, nice and eloquent, archenemies, short of modern day demagoguery? If so, than the English don't qualify, because they liberated the Netherlands and Belgium in 1944/45 and as such are not archenemies. The French, who could qualify better than the English for the role of evil villain in dutch history, fought shoulder to shoulder with dutch troops in 1940 and are thus disqualified as archenemies. The germans did occupy the Netherlands, but are nowadays our closest allies, so much that there is even a german-dutch corps (which is a mixed german-dutch affair down to the platoon-level, I understand). To cast Spain in the role of enemy isn't entirely correct either. Although we had the dutch revolt against Habsburg overlordship, it wasn't against Spain as a nation, but against the king of Spain -- who was, coincidentally, the Emperor of a lot of Europe, not to mention king of another lot of Europe -- and as such I don't find it at all logically to paint Spain black. 
All in all, I suggest we delete the whole paragraph. Historical fact contained therein should be incorporated in the main article.
Cheers,
Luetzen 21:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you shouldn't read too much into the term "historic enemy". Not "archenemies" are meant, but simply those political entities with which, obviously due to historical reasons, the Dutch often had military conflicts — at least often enough to make it useful too give some diachronic account of the relations with each enemy. I'll change the, apparently confusing, section heading.--MWAK 14:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic enemies 

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