Talk:List of Omnitrix aliens/Archive 3

message: I don't mean to nag, but why was Cannonbolt's advantage of fitting others in his shell with him taken out?? It's proven useful on several occasions, especially when it comes to rescuing one of the less durable characters in a pinch. Basically, what I'm asking is that if I put this advantage back in, would one of you delete it? I can attribute it to an episode and everything. Magugag 06:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannonbolt 

message: Will the person who keeps saying Benwolf is colorblind quit it? Unless either it is confirmed by an official source, Ben makes a comment about Benwolf being colorblind, or we actually see through his or the other wolf's eyes, you have no proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MegaWhatt (talk • contribs) 23:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the wolf's point of view in "The Return"... Care to continue complaining? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love how there was already a source too. How humorous indeed. -Sukecchi 23:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: If I tied you up, you wouldn't be able to use your arms. Would that be a weakness? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sarcastic retort alert! Only if you couldn't use your legs! *Ba-rum-deesh!* —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.38.40.46 (talk) 00:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Someguy, I believe it would. Besides, it is a weakness that Ghostfreak isn't able to go invisible or intangible if he's sprayed with a certain chemical, that Wildmutt isn't able to use his super hearing and smell if his sensors are clogged, and that Stinkfly can't fly if his wings are wet. It's a way to disable a major advantage, and that makes it a weakness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorank4 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Those are chemical weaknesses.  Ghostfreak has a certain reaction to chemicals (much like Heatblast to water), Wildmutt's lack of smell is attributed to a disease, and Stinkfly's inability to fly is basic physics. In the case of Benwolf, something mechanical is being attached, therefore not a true, natural weakness. Same with tying your arms. It is not a natural weakness. 68.251.180.218 22:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What he said. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: We are seeing through XLR8's face-plate visor. It's green tinted. Angel the Techrat 21:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benwolf's weakness 

message: Could some one please explain to me why this form is on the list of fictional Undead? I don't remember Viktor ever being stated as Undead.
:Ghostfreak i thinkAnubiz 00:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see Ghostreak or Benvicktor labeled as undead anywhere. Link to the instance you mean. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone categorized a redirect. Removed. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was properally because Benviktor can survive in outer space, showing that he doesn't need to breathe in this form so that ment that he is classed as Undead Wild ste 19:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what "undead" means. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that, thats why I said properally. I'm not the one that added it to the list. Heck I didn't even though there was a list of Fictional UndeadWild ste 19:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's only in the movies. Since it is never stated that Benvicktor is a bunch of corpses put toghether, you cannot put it in, even though Benvictor parodies Frankenstein's monster. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.38.35.215 (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. Nothing in the show implies that Vicktor is composed of the same grotesque material as Frankenstein's monster. Actually, there is more evidence to support that he is a robotic construct - his increased intelligence and reflexes, his needlessness for an atmosphere, his extreme durability to the extent that he can survive in a vacuum, his mastery over electricity and magnetism, and most notably, his ability to wire himself into a machine. Fictional Robots seems more likely than Fictional Undead at this point (though it has not been explicitly stated that he is robotic, so it's best not to categorize him there either). You Can't See Me! 03:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the very least, he can't be entirely robotic, or else he would not likely have DNA to add to the Omnitrix. He has to be in some part biological (perhaps thus accounting for the differences in Vicktor and Benvicktor, such as the larger eye). Still all speculation, of course... --DarkfireTaimatsu 03:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The show's pretty liberal with that. Benvicktor comes complete with mechanical parts, as does XLR8. Upgrade is pure machine. Heatblast... really, I don't have to type any more than that. Diamondhead is silicon-based. "DNA" is a pretty liberal term here. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: My thought is that since deoxyribonucleic acid is found in all living things (once again, it may only imply to Earth creatures), that would mean that anything that can preform all living processes (in which case, would mean that even Galanic Mechomorphs, Pyronites, and Petrosapiens all can reproduce, possibly asexually) has DNA. So apparently SOME part of each alien has DNA. 68.251.177.195 18:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BenViktor as undead 

message: Why are people deleting good stuff such as advantages and disadvantages and the pictures of the future aliens e.t.c ?            
P.S why don't they name benmummy underwraps?
:Because "Underwraps" is the name of an episode, and a stupid name for a creature. As for the first thing, no one has deleted anything. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Benmummy isn't that much better. But yeah, the credits list the mummy alien to be named 'Benmummy'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magugag (talk • contribs) 03:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Your chat thread was deleted because you refused to listen and the future aliens were deleted because image galleries aren't allowed in most cases. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why delete the good ? 

message: It seems quite obvious to me that upchuck has at least some influence by Yoshi, from Mario. Both are green and lizard like, both eat things with their tongues, and both gain the ability to spit the object (or sometimes other powers, as shown by Ben's use of a lazer and the fact some shells allow Yoshi to use fireballs). Shouldn't this be mentioned, if not as an influence, then as a very similar character.
*points to other articles with similar mentions...Ben 10 is analagized to Dial H for Hero, and the article for Bouncing Boy points out Canonbolt is based on him. I've seen other non-Ben 10 references to others, but can't find them at the moment.* —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.155.164 (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it shouldn't be mention because it does not affect a character. Simple as that. 69.212.223.100 21:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No. It is pure speculation. 'Sides, they're not both reptilian. Upchuck is clearly a green woodchuck, hence the name. I don't know about the Bouncing Boy article, but it really shouldn't say that Canonbolt was based on him. Perhaps it could point out a similarity, but to outright state that Cannonbolt is an immitation is pure speculation. Ben 10 is noted to have a similar concept to Dial H for Hero; it is not stated that Ben 10 is based on Dial H. You Can't See Me! 22:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upchuck = Yoshi 

message: Around the end of "Visitor", when Upchuck eats the main droid, his stomach grows so big that he can't walk. Should this be considered a weakness? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorank4 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because it was the final piece and he simply chose not to spit it up. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: But that means he has to spit everything he eats up, even when there is no danger. Also, would having to eat in order to spit count as a weakness? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.94.148.104 (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because we don't know whether or not that actually happens. He might be able to spit exploding loogies, just in smaller sizes. Besides, it's pointless to have a disadvantages do to NOT being able to do something. Otherwise, all aliens except XLR8 would have the disadvantage of not being able to go 500 mph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.251.178.201 (talk) 21:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Its a cartoon at the end of the day about a kid with an allien device on his arm. You shouldn't really try to force logic into it. The bolt at the end was, as you said, for comic releif and is unlikely to be the weakness for Upchuck. Wild ste 17:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The old rant "It's a cartoon, it doesn't have logic" isn't really true. Everything has a pattern. This pattern serves as logic. Therefore, everything is logical. So, the trick is to go by Ben 10's logic. That logic (as far as we can tell) is that everything is normal on a present-day Earth, but with the added idea that aliens exist, and have made contact multiple times. As well as magic is real. Therefore, all Earth logic can be applied, unless it deals with an alien, then you must abide by Ben 10's logic, which is not fully clear (and never will be). In short, if there's no aliens involved (such as falling down to earth from a space station in outer space) then it's normal (ending in getting killed), human logic. If an alien is involved (such as Cannonbolt protecting the falling person from the atomosphere) then human logic does not apply (end result being the human and Cannonbolt survives). 68.251.177.195 18:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upchuck's weakness? 

message: I saw in one scene upchuck was airborne, he spit, then went to a different side and spit, he was airborne the whole time! and wasnt falling! should this count? - Hyuuga-sama 01:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked the Youtube link that I posted above. After Upchuck spits the first time, he is obscured by the resulting smoke, and there is a crate right beside him. My guess is that he jumped off of the crate while veiled by the smokescreen, and he did not fall for dramatic effect. You Can't See Me! 01:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upchuck flying?? 

message: A bunch of the alien images are rather high-res. Any chance we can replace them with lower resolution images, per WP:F? You Can't See Me! 04:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can just be halved in Paint and reuploaded. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image quality 

message: Hey I'm want to ask a question about the Ben 10 Movies. A guy on the Youtube site had a Ben 10 movie opening & it actually looked like it was the opening. And he said that the movie was about 10 of ben's worst villians returning for revenge. Plus Ben discovers a new power over the omnitrix. What I'm asking is why didn't anyone put this in the movie article? User:phantasmo_375
:Because this isn't the movie article. Try asking on Talk:Ben 10. You Can't See Me! 22:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One, the person who wrote the intro lacks grammar skills. Two, the intro is the intro to Superman the Movie. Three, that was only 1/4 of the clip and I already proved it to be nonsense. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. It's just clips, some fancy type, and audio from a real movie. Anyone can see it's a fan thing. Go do something productive phantasmo. 83.71.73.36 18:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, come on, people. Let's cut phantasmo a little slack, shall we? He's only human. -Ben 10 17:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me crazy, or maybe it's just because I'm probably older than him, but I expect people to take a little bit of time to research what they think is official, instead of blindly accepting it as truth. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ideally, yes. But people do make mistakes. Besides, people believe in the so-called human chain of evolution, and careful study has completely blown that to bits.  -Ben 10 18:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: 23. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time I checked, but 10 years is 1/8 of the average American's lifespan. My math may be a leetle off, but 1/8 is a pretty good chunk o' life. 67.38.36.42 23:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube Movie 

message: What hapond to the backgrounds for the heros? Anubiz 14:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cutting them and integrating pros and cons removed ~12kb from the article. That's significantly more efficient and has minimal penalty. You Can't See Me! 18:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue

message: because the episode pages were removed i have nowhere else to put this. how come in the unnaturals when xlr8 was moving how come time looked like it was standing still? ive never seen him do that any other time, is it a new ability? if it is how come ben 1000 xlr8 cant do it?(i said that because in the unnaturals they dont even see his trail like blur but they do in ben1000)also why do we call the spitting alien spitter because in the episode when young ben suggests that name for him old ben just says he doesnt name them any more so that name is never confirmed.
:Perhaps he is able to vary his speed. Like how you can walk and run. It's alluded to on some of the official data for XLR8's species (I forget whether it's the toys or the website, though).
:We call him Spitter because that's the name that was given in the credits for that episode. --DarkfireTaimatsu 18:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole "time stading still" thing was just the first time we've seen things from XLR8's perspective. That is, he was moving so fast that relative to him, everything else is nearly at a standstill. Think clockstoppers. On a seperate note, how come Spitter was credited when he didn't have any spoken lines? Or perhaps he did, and I just can't remember. --Piemanmoo 00:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe grunts or other sound effects. Those get credit too, sometimes. --DarkfireTaimatsu 03:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: XLR8 was moving in the mythical 'speed zone', where time stands still because he is going the speed of light. As Einstein put it, the faster you go, the slower things are around you. But in THAT particular episode, they messed it up. Only expirienced Kinecelerans can enter the speed zone, and one,two, or three months with XLR8 isn't exactly 'expirienced'. Also, XLR8 was still caught on tape, which wouldn't have happened if he was going the speed of light.  As for Spitter, he DID say a line. It was he who said 'I don't name them anymore.' Thus, he was in the credits under that name. Javo 718 16:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was Cannonbolt that said "I don't name them anymore"? I'm pretty sure all Spitter did was, well spit.Wild ste 15:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Watch again. Trust me. Javo 718 14:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: To put it all into four words: It's a plot hole Javo 718 16:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  xlr8 pluss future aliens 

message: Hi, i've made a ben 10 wikia @ http://ben10.wikia.com. Please could you link to there as it's going to have much more stuff on!
--Stinkfly 16:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When it does, then we link. It's just linkspam otherwise. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is open! We've done all sorts to make it ok! It's still work in progress, but it's going to contain fresh data (someone copied stuff from here, for XLR8's page last night, rolled back) --Stinkfly 17:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a question for this? I just went on it and saw the "Did You Know" section, and I don't agree with the way that one was worded. Saying that it is weird to have a female actor voicing a male character conisdering it is been done hundreds of times before since girls can voice boys better before they hit puperity. Tara Strong has done loads of work voicing boys in cartoons and she isn't the only one.Wild ste 15:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, just i had to think of something, because otherwise, they would be nothing... just it's planned to be better. --Stinkfly 15:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikia 

message: They've put a notice to make the page short. I suggest thatwe give each alien its on page. Just put a short summary adn a link to it's page were we would put the total information. Then we could expand the information of the aliens, we could add things like how Ben uses there powers diffrently, like Four Arms can clap his hand to makea sonic boom.--Addude 15:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, no. There's really no good way to do this. There's not enough encyclopedic information to give each alien its own article. The best thing to do is to wait out the fourth season for new alien forms and split the page between original and new alien forms. Otherwise, we'll just have to shorten the alien sections, an unfavorable solution. You Can't See Me! 06:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate Pages 

message: Some one posted the silhouettes on the watch for Fourarms and Diamondhead. Should we keep them? Chaoshi 20:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a small thing, but I happen to like the silhouettes. You hardly get a chance to look at them by watching the show. One could tape and pause to study them, but it's not that interesting. However, if the silhouettes were all nicely arranged in an article like this one, I'd be happy to see each silhouette associated with each alien. Maybe they could be small so as not to take up much space. -- Lilwik 22:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why show the Silhouette if we have an image of the real thing? It's not necessary. -Sukecchi 22:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But is it being necessary relevant? It is interesting; that's far more important. Plus, this article is supposed to be about the omnitrix, and the silhouette is how the omnitrix identifies each alien. -- Lilwik 23:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is true, you need to think about the articles appearance. If each Alien has it's silhouette; how would that make the article look? Cluttered. -Sukecchi 00:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The one who keeps adding them is a recurring sockpuppeteer and has been banned. The article is probably overdoing it as is. Pushing it isn't a good idea. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're in the middle of debating whether to shorten the article, and you want to make it BIGGER? Javo 718 01:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exacilty, the artical is too big as it is. As I've already said, we just can't add anymore to it at the present moment. Once the new series starts and new alien forms have been released, then we can seperate it into the orginal 10 forms and the new ones. Maybe then we can have the silhouettes, but for the moment, we really can't have them.Wild ste 18:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alien Silhouettes