Talk:EuroBasket

message: Yugoslavia until 1991. and after 1991. are two different countries, but with the same name; Yugoslavia of after 1991. was made only of Serbia and Montenegro, so the medal tally should be corrected. --89.216.32.178 16:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But FIBA doesn't recognize SFR Yugoslavia's records to carry over to FRY/SCG/SRB. --Howard the Duck 04:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia 

message: The official name is Eurobasket or EuroBasket? The official website is "EuroBasket", so what about here? --Aleenf1 06:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eurobasket or EuroBasket? 

message: Since Russia has won the 2007 title their colour needs to be changed in the 'best finish' image.--Miyokan 01:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia needs to be updated in the image 

message: As I have on the FIBA Americas Championship, South American Basketball Championship, Centrobasket, FIBA CBC Championship, and FIBA Africa Championship, I have added a full box of participation details.  Europe though has a few problems not present in the others that I just wanted to point out here, so that this can be properly adjusted if needed.  First, I have arbitrarily broken the table up into columns of 20 tournaments.
The bigger problem for me is the geographic changes of Europe.  Any consensus that has been reached is not necessarily known to me, so I have erred on the side of caution despite my own personal feelings.  
(1) I have included West Germany's records with Germany while keeping East Germany separate.  The Germany page includes both countries' records and history.  If the West German history needs to be separated out or the East German history included, then go ahead.
(2) I have segregated Czechoslovakia from the Czech Republic (and would have if the Slovak Republic had qualified).  My personal rational is to treat Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic as one country, but as the medal table still credits the medals to Czechoslovakia, I have treated them separately.
(3) I have segregated Serbia from Serbia and Montenegro (which includes FR Yugoslavia).  Again, I would treat Serbia and Serbia and Montenegro as one country, but the medal table again has the medals to Serbia and Montenegro.  
(4) I have followed what seems to be the consensus and proper opinions of having the Soviet Union and Russia distinct, treating FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro as the same country but distinct from SFR Yugoslavia, and joining Lithuania's, Latvia's, Estonia's modern histories to those before Soviet annexation.  
Pat Maher (talk) 21:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation Details 

message: I find it quite odd that this article does not describe how qualification occurs or how the tournament format actually happens (group stages/knockout etc). For basketball novices, such as I, this is a primary reason for looking up about this article's topic. Can anyone knowledgeable about the tournament add the relevant information? I, as well as many other of the thousands of people looking at this article, would appreciate it! Cheers. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 11:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No format details? 

message: What are we gonna do with the Serbians who will win their first medal as Serbia? I think that we should add it to Serbia and Montenegro as a successor state under the name Serbia. Any opinion? Sthenel (talk) 17:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Serbia is the recognized successor to Serbia and Montenegro, who is the recognized successor to FR Yugoslavia, who was the recognized successor to SFR Yugoslavia. Simple as that. Soviet Union should be grouped with Russia too. (LAz17 (talk) 00:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Further discussion could/should be addressed here. It looks like there may be a solution.  (LAz17 (talk) 01:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a discussion about that also here. Pantagana (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

text: No, they don't.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbia 

message: Did they win any EuroBasket? If not, why is their country signaled as "winner" in the same name's map? --81.60.175.10 (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonia 

message: The flag of Spain in 1935 must be the flag of the Spanish Republic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.51.229.174 (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republic of Spain 

message: You're invited to take part in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball. The latest most pressing issue is what statistical categories should be included in the team group standings tables, aside from Pld, W, L, PA and PA, and Pts. –HTD 09:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:B-BALL]] 

message: Soviet Union was composed of what.. 10+ republics? Its nonsense to attribute Soviet Union's wins in eurobasket to Russia. In Seoul's Olympics, where USSR took gold, 4 out of starting 5 players were Lithuanians. Just sayin.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.90.245 (talk) 02:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia isn't Soviet Union 

message: Serbia is successor state of SFR Yugoslavia, so medals in the rank list belong to Serbia. Plus Serbs were majority of players and coaches. 213.198.208.225 (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Serbia is counted separatly.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the right source, which shows the way FIBA currently separates SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia. You deleted that correct source YOURSELF, so it makes no sense, when you say you have no clue. Your personal opinion doesn't count here, only the way FIBA shows it on their webpages. So STOP your vandalism.--Je suis blocked by Darkwind 16:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Your personal opinion is irrelevant here.--Je suis blocked by Darkwind 13:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

text: FIBA does not consider Serbia as successor of SFR Yugoslavia. See , it's clear Serbia starts 2007.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 08:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Also succesor≠inheritor.Tvx1 18:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Yugoslavia = Serbia

message: The official name is FIBA EuroBasket. I think Wikipedia should be using the official names of tournaments.Bluesangrel (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OFFICIAL, and FWIW, FIBA and FIBA Europe don't even call this tournament as "FIBA EuroBasket" but simply as "EuroBasket" (and "EuroBasket Women"). –HTD 16:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: About the name of this tournament

message: Addressing this issue also at the EuroBasket 2015 talk page. The results map shown does not include Kosovo as a country (recognised by FIBA as a sovereign state this year) because of the editor's origin being Serbian. I would love if you would leave politics behind, and add Kosovo, because it's a full FIBA member. PjeterPeter (talk) 09:22, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a conspiracy. FWIW, I'm not Serbian, and the last person who edited it 2 years ago also doesn't look like one... –HTD 21:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results map change 

message: Why do the countries from former Yugoslavia refer to "Look at Yugoslavia", but this doesn't happen to the ones from former USSR? 
I see no difference on the reason why it should be different one from the other. 
Likewise, I would suggest that in cases where the country didn't exist, the cell would be blackened rather than an "X". Somehow like this:
Team      	1979	1981	1983	1985	1987	1989	1991	1993	1995	1997	1999	2001	2003	2005	2007	2009	2011	2013	2015	Total
align=left	4th 	3rd 	10th	2nd 	8th 	-   	6th 	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	X   	24
In addition, I would suggest that the countries which are now in another FIBA Zone (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria), would be blackened from the moment they couldn't compete any longer in the tournament.
:The black background is too distracting. I'd say just leave them blank. I'd reserve "X" for teams that participated in qualification but failed to make it (if we have complete details on prior qualification results).  –HTD 20:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation details table 

message: I think this wikitable is messy and not helpful. I have several ideas:
* POINT 1: copy the headings of the tables at the bottom, to help find cells and separate the top table from the bottom table
* POINT 2: as we have these  two separate tables (1935-1977) and (1979-present), I propose to expand the first one to 1935-1991, and include there only the teams that played until that tournament. Out the 46 teams listed teams, 15 have no participations. 
* POINT 3: On the second table, we would start fresh" in 1993, including now all the republics formed in the 1991-1993 period. I propose to include teams that can't participate any more at the bottom: defunct teams (URSS, TCH, YUG, GDR), teams from another continent (EGY, IRN, LEB, SYR), merged teams (ENG, SCO). We could use the line I proposed on POINT 1 to separate these teams at the bottom from the active teams. 
Not very sure about this one though: at the bottom we could also include teams that haven't participated in over 40 years (ALB, AUT, DEN, LUX, SWI)
* POINT 4: regardless of previous points being accepted, we could find another sorting option, and not only the alphabetical one
If you are wondering how it would look, I have edited the U-16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Europe_Under-16_Championship
D0nc0s (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes for  "Participation details" table (Eurobasket, Eurobasket Women 

message: http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/all-time-medalists - An official source of medalist until 2015. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It was that way until September 2017, then came Bozalegenda ....--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 10:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Or DusanSilniVujovic and some others, of course, it was not Boza alone.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 10:14, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And this source show us what?--Bozalegenda (talk) 18:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

text:  True! This is what? Just years and results. Look some others FIBA European competation and medals table DoctorDavidWho (talk) 00:06, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Once again, here is the official medal table from FIBA-website:  (you see, Yugoslavia is listed with 8 titles). That is the current official source we have to follow, FIBA considered Serbia as successor in 2006 (that's why Serbia took Yugoslavia's place in EuroBasket 2007, or Serbia and Montenegro's to be precise), but FIBA has changed their mind in 2009 or 2010 or so, that's way sources which shows that FIBA recognizes Serbia as a successor of medals reflect the situation in 2006 and are outdated since 2010 or so and mean nothing for the current situation. However the fact that FIBA had a different view years ago can be mentioned in the text, of course and maybe even should. But the medal table in the article should be the same as in the current official table from FIBA for the 10 places given.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 09:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But saying Yugoslavia has 8 gold medals is highly missleading. Since 1992 the "Yugoslavia" that competed under that name was Serbia and Montenegro. If those medals of Yugoslavia after 1992 are to be atributed to somebody, that should definitelly be Serbia. What we have here are 3 possibilities: either all goes to Serbia (as in most sports happends since the federation headquarters were allways the same ones in Belgrade), either we separate them all (pre-1992 Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia&Serbia and Montenegro, and Serbia), or either we join pos-1992 Yugoslavia to Serbia (a frequent option as well, since the difference was just a small Montenegro wich was together with Serbia). But adding pos-1992 Yugoslavia to pre-1992 Yugoslavia is the option that makes less sense. FkpCascais (talk) 10:07, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Option number 2 (3 separate pages – SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro, Serbia) is the most logical solution. Basketball Federation of Serbia succeeded the place of Basketball Federation of Serbia and Montenegro, but they did not succeed the records and appearances of FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro team. FIBA is not the only organization that acknowledges Serbia as new team as same is said at the page of Basketball Federation of Serbia. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, you are right. In football Serbia did iherited both, but in basket it didn´t, it is the sole sucessor only of FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro. But that is exactly why doesnt make any sense giving FR Yugoslavia medals to the old Yugoslavia and separating her from Serbia&Montenegro. FkpCascais (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

text: And once again: this is not about politics or history, this is just about following FIBA, who is the governing body for basketball. When FIBA publishes a medal table, then we follow that! Any arguing with own personal opinions is invalid.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 10:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

text:  We got direct information from FIBA World cup 2006 DusanSilniVujovic (talk) 17:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly outdated!--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

text: We got direct information from FIBA webpage . You link to the waybackmachine, don't you really get it by yourself, what that mean?--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

text: http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/all-time-medalists – FIBA, the governing body of basketball is the view I'm presenting. I'm not expressing my personal views, you are. While the only source you presents is some archieved news article mentioning only 1 sentence: "The Basketball Federation of Serbia will retain the place of the former Basketball Federation of Serbia and Montenegro as a FIBA member", nothing about no medals/achievements or anything. "Yugoslavia" is the name that was used by 1) Kingdom of Yugoslavia (Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes until 1929) 2) Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 3) Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. You have been told this several times. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:35, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And this source is from 2006!! That means it reflects the situation in 2006, not in 2018, that information is long outdated! It is not reachable in the original, only in a wayback machine, what do you think, what that mean? FIBA took that page from it's servers, so again, in more ways than one, this information is no argument in 2018, and yes this was told you very often before.--2003:C8:7F21:59C5:78C5:7D1A:44ED:AE42 (talk) 21:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Once and for all. There was a big Yugoslavia (Kingdom of Yugoslavia/Kingdom of SCS plus SFR Yugoslavia all in period 1918-1992), then then there was a FR Yugoslavia (1992 to 2006, of which from 2003 and 2006 was known as Serbia and Montenegro) and, since 2006 there is Serbia. Serbia inherited the FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro results. What is creating a mess is that pre-1992 Yugoslavia is not atrbuted to Serbia, and post-1992 Yugoslavia it is, and there are national teams namesd "Yugoslavia" on both sides, but should not be added together but rather disclosed pre and pos 1992. FkpCascais (talk) 22:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  FkpCascais that's right man, but it looks like a guy from Estonia wants to learn us history of Yugoslavia. Person who dont know difference between two countries want to discuss about this, that's ridiculous. Newly created national teams from ex SFR Yugoslavia (Croatia, Slovenia...) played against FR Yugoslavia and they dont have nothing with medals from 1992 to 2006.--Bozalegenda (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source to back that claim - that the results were inherited and FIBA approves it? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

text: You are all talk about the political situation. And even then, the territory under the kingdom and under the socialist federal republic wasn't the same. However, we don't care about that here. We only care about the sportive results. As far as the FIBA is concerned, over the entire period the three countries existed there was one continuous basketball team called "Yugoslavia". That team did represent three different political states throughout its history. The tables hear deal with the sportive results, not with what political state achieved what. We reflect the FIBA situation, just like with the Olympics and the IOC. Serbia did succeed to YUG and SCG's former spots in the FIBA membership. That doesn't mean they actually inherited their achievements. Succeeding≠inheriting.Tvx1 16:47, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia is not not a place where we will invent new countries. There was big Yugoslavia (Kingdom of Yugoslavia/Kingdom of SCS plus SFR Yugoslavia all in period 1918-1992), and there was FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro (1992-2006). There was no such thing as Yugoslav national basketball team, it was SFR Yugoslavia national team and later new FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro national team. Yugoslavia is just short name, just like everyone will say only Macedonian national team, and no one will say Republic of Macedonia or former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Newly created national teams from ex SFR Yugoslavia countries (Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia) played against FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro national team and they dont have nothing with medals from 1992 till 2006. And i explained 500 times about that FIBA table, that it's just a html code table led by a robot (or machine, computer). Per that table FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro were different countries and that is NONSENSE. That FIBA table also separate the profiles of Zaire and the DR Congo, and that was one some country. So that table is not reliable.--Bozalegenda (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Or you are simply wrong. The FIBA is the governing body of the sport, so they quite certainly have the authority to credit results. And we simply follow them, like we do with any other governing body of any other sport.Tvx1 18:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  is not. Check it by yourself -_- FkpCascais (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What is not?Tvx1 02:39, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

text:  This is FIBA medal table for the championship Under 20 [here] and comparateDusanSilniVujovic (talk) 14:00, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a Wikipedia article, not a FIBA-list!--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

text: And this article is for all FIBA Under Championship's on Wikipedia. So, find some others source just like fot the seniors DusanSilniVujovic (talk) 23:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: ???--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal table 

message: Is there a reason why 2015 and 2017 editions include hosts for the knockout stage only, while previously it includes hosts for the whole tournament? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the hosts were deleted at some point between Sept 2017 and now.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hosts @ [[EuroBasket#Results]] 

message: Radivoj Korać did not play for Serbia at EuroBasket. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell Radivoj Korać have with this edit war???? Who ever mentioned that he played for Serbia???? Do you even know what are you reverting?--Bozalegenda (talk) 21:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly You were blindly reverting my edits. You added Serbian flag to Radivoj Korać every time, it's under statistics. You should've seen it. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korać 

message: SFR Yugoslavia with a flag with a star did not win 8 gold. The SFR Yugoslavia has ceased to exist in 1992 and can not win medals. If you have already separated the states, then correct the terms that SFR Yugoslavia  won medals from 1945-1992, then FR Yugoslavia / Serbia and Montenegro  from 1992 until 2006 and then Serbia  since 2006. It looks so funny, ugly and historically incorrect this way.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar (talk • contribs) 21:29, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals  

message: Formal request has been received to merge the article EuroBasket 1941 into EuroBasket; dated: September 2018. Proposer's Rationale: This very short article is all about a cancelled sporting event and the little content it has can be added into the respective target article. Discuss here. Richard3120 (talk) 17:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still a separate tournament, so I don't think it should be merged, bur rather some more info added to the article.Bluesangrel (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: You are all idiots or you do not understand the matter because you come from Estonia, Uruguay, Guatemala, etc. How can a Yugoslavia SFRJ with star on flag  that has fallen apart and ceased to exist in 1992 can win gold in 1995,1997 and 2001. That was all won by Yugoslavia without a star  on the flag that is actually Serbia. And just so you know all the medals, trophies and cups are in the Basketball Federation of Serbia and in Serbia and Belgrade. And you here on wikipedia and FIBA ​​can run all sorts of inaccurate nonsense and pervert history.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar (talk • contribs) 09:40, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SFRJ is not SRJ but is SERBIA 

message: This is a new one link http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2021/news/test-your-eurobasket-knowledge-serbia-edition
Serbia climbed the highest step of the podium in 2001, as part of FR Yugoslavia  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.120.92 (talk) 11:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article you shared didn't include an actual medal table. It's like saying "Alabama climbed the highest step of the podium in ####, as part of the United States"... which doesn't confirm if FIBA allocated Yugoslavia's old medals to Serbia. (I think this is FIBA's actual position on this I forgot already.) Howard the Duck (talk) 11:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP was a sockpuppet of the indef. blocked user DusanSilniVujovic. And it says "as part of..." the headline of this section is NOT said in the article.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 11:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatch this video! Serbia debut and medals. This is from FIBA official channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkoQgKeUPk 46.33.209.200 (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

text: This is a new video from FIBA. Whatch 00:58 specialy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkoQgKeUPk 46.33.209.200 (talk) 23:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look at the official FIBA's page of the Eurobasket 2022 - https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/team/Serbia#tab=profile The official history of Serbia started after break-up of Serbia and Montenegro. This is also official medal table from FIBA - http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/keyfigures/p/rc//tid//tid2//lid_38179_ct/0/cid/EMSM/_//index.html http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/keyfigures/p/tid//tid2//lid_38179_ct/2/cid/EMSM/rc/PC/_//index.html So, please, let's use statistics based on official numbers, not no your personal opinion. Stop messing with this Wikipage! Hyperion82 (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We put only OFFICIAL FIBA profiles not use some olders statistics numbers. In presentation video FIBA put three gold medals to Serbia. Whatch a video 62.4.36.182 (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is official FIBA's profiles of Russia and Serbia national teams from their OFFICIAL site, not from some entertaining videos - https://www.fiba.basketball/federation/Russia and https://www.fiba.basketball/federation/Serbia . You can complain to FIBA about that Hyperion82 (talk) 16:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen,  this is only with the name Russian and Serbia in this profile, but in this video FIBA rules is clear: SERBIA DEBUT IS ON 1995, also, Serbia have 3 GOLD MEDALS!!!! 46.33.209.200 (talk) 00:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIBA recognized Serbia as FR Yugoslavia 

message: FIBA recognized Serbia as inharion of FR Yugoslavia! Whatch this official FIBA video about Serbia profile for EuroBasket 2022 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkoQgKeUPk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.33.209.200 (talk) 22:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  EuroBasket 2022 

message: Medal table is wrong. There are countries with wrong numbers and other countries should not be there, such as Egypt  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.187.112.140 (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: First: new things at the end; second: why should Egypt not be there; third: LOL.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal table 

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