Talk:Arms Crisis

message: According to Jack Lynch speaking to the Dáil at :
"I also want to assure the House that these arms have not been imported, have not been landed in this country, and that the precautions I have taken will ensure they will not be landed."Do you have a different source?
Demiurge 20:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know, but if they were landed then seized without any of them getting to their intended recipients, then the smuggling attempt did not succeed. Demiurge 08:42, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "They did import them"

message: The title of this article is far too vague, it could apply to dozens of crises in various countries.  How about Dublin Arms Trial, which I would regard as the title that would mean most to people who already know a bit about the case? PatGallacher 15:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could certainly have an Irish geographic limitation added to the title, but the article is about more than just the Trial, so using 'Arms Trial' wouldn't be an accurate title--Rye1967 23:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: What does it add to the article to say that somebody once claimed that Albert Luykx was a former Nazi? Are we meant to infer that the whole thing was a Nazi plot, or that Haughey, Blaney et al. were Nazis by association? If the inclusion of the fact has a definite purpose, it should be stated explicitly in the article. If it doesn't, it shouldn't be there.  Scolaire (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "somebody once claimed" is nonsense, he was a convicted Nazi and had been sentenced to death for it in Belgium and escaped from prison, describing him solely as a "businessman" is entirely misleading. It's now sourced x2, and theres no reason for you or anybody to remove that fact just because you don't like it. "Are we meant to infer that the whole thing was a Nazi plot, or that Haughey, Blaney et al. were Nazis by association?" that's laughable, I don't know how you made the leap to that? It's a simple description, just like it says he was a "businessman", he also happened to be a "convicted Nazi". It implies nothing but exactly what is says on the tin. IrishSpook (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no, it's not just as simple as "does what it says on the tin." This is an article about the Arms Crisis of 1970. Luykx in 1970 was not a Nazi; he was a businessman. And it was in that capacity that he was involved in the attempt to import arms, as Haughey and Blaney were involved in their capacity as ministers, James Kelly in his capacity as army officer, and John Kelly in his capacity as republican leader. There is no suggestion, and there never has been a suggestion, that Luykx used former Nazi contacts to procure arms or anything of that nature. Therefore, describing him solely as a businessman is not misleading in the context of this article. The article talks about Haughey without any reference to the Moriarity Tribunal, or, indeed, to his dubious property deals in the 1960s. It should be the same for Luykx. If that "convicted Nazi" is left as it is, readers will infer that the attempted arms importation was in some way linked to Nazism. It's not laughable, and it's not a laughing matter.  Scolaire (talk) 11:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi