Talk:Douglas Macgregor

message: Neutrality? Hah! Did Macgregor write this about himself? In any case, it's such a puff piece it's unreal! It is also much too long.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.110.131 (talk) 15:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the tag as I've made edits to clean this article up. Please feel free to comment if any specific problems stand out to anyone. Thanks. -Shootbamboo (talk) 00:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: * NYT news search.
* NPR news search. -Shootbamboo (talk) 04:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone has copies of these sources — Paul Greenberg, "A Tale of Two Colonels", Jewish World Review, 5 May 1999. — Richard Newman, "Renegades finish last", U.S. News and World Report, 28 July 1997, pages 33-35 (whole article preferred). please email them to me and leave a note at my talk page thanks. -Shootbamboo (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the Newman piece: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/970728/archive_007519.htm The Greenberg article is also online. 98.233.155.56 (talk) 16:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: i noticed that this self-published source contains material that has closely mirrored this article. we should provide WP:inline citations but not rely too heavily in forming sections. -Shootbamboo (talk) 02:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  self published source 

message: I was asked to justify this edit. It's simple: just because a person is notable doesn't mean that every position they ever held is worthwhile mentioning. A list of views is little more than a section on a resume, unless those individual views are rigorously verified by multiple sources to indicate that they have an actual encyclopedic relevance. I could point to such things as WP:RS and WP:V, to which one might counter that some of the things I removed were indeed reliably verified (though not by multiple sources), but I am more interested in good article writing than in interpreting guidelines and policies as broadly as possible to include as much as possible. It's a matter of editorial judgment, if you will. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:05, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note 

message: How old is he? When and where was he born? What do we know about his parents and ancestors?--Oneiros (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Date of birth apparently wrong as given; see http://archives.dickinson.edu/sites/all/files/files-dmagazine/DCAM_030_3.pdf p.26 top left ("Mr. and Mrs. Norman K. MacGregor, Jr., of 6015 Lansdowne Avenue ...") 01:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic data missing 

message: The recent additions regarding his statements on Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine are misrepresenting his statements. He hasn’t spoken in favor of it. He gave tactical assessments of it. 2601:282:D00:A3B0:A4ED:44CF:F6A3:AF3E (talk) 00:28, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: soibangla (talk) 01:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is pretty extensively sourced.  Now we do say "support" in wikivoice, and you might -- and evidently are going to -- quibble with that as an editorial choice.  Perhaps you have some other suggested wording that captures the essence of his statements, in which he variously tells the Ukrainians to surrender, that their elected leader is a puppet, that the Russians need to bomb and kill more, and that the US and the West should do "absolutely" nothing about it?  109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dishonest presentation 

message: MacGregor  has used this term, a euphemism used by Stalin to persecute Soviet Jews, to refer to the alleged internal enemies of America. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:2146 (talk) 05:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeowch.  Also reported on by Slate and by Media Matters, so I think clearly notable.  Might need to be directly attributed, at least in the case of MMfA, but givem all three...  109.255.211.6 (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: “[[Rootless Cosmopolitans]]”

message: Having followed MacGregor for a while, I’ve never seen him write or say that Russia should take whatever it wants. Do we have a citation for this? 2601:40F:680:7880:68BD:4BA3:244B:E46E (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No source for suggesting Russia be allowed to take whatever it wants 

message: Having followed MacGregor for a while, I’ve never seen him write or say that Russia should take whatever it wants. Do we have a citation for this? 2601:40F:680:7880:68BD:4BA3:244B:E46E (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No source for suggesting Russia be allowed to take whatever it wants 

message: Change the reference that contains 
to
 108.41.81.126 (talk) 01:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Twitter is not a reliable source. I'm inclined to remove it. Lemonaka (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Done, after checking source. Lemonaka (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2022 

message: I am new to Wikipedia but shouldn’t the information be factually based in regards to an individual and not include references to an opinion piece someone wrote about said person? Almost all notable/famous individuals will undoubtedly have less than favoring opinion pieces written about them but they are just that “someone’s OpInion”…. A page dedicated to a notable individual should be purely factual like a biography about them which then someone reading can draw their own opinions about the person. Just my two cents and a prime example of what I am referring to is this excerpt on this persons page which is clearly an opinion article Mr. Boot wrote and isn’t prudent info about Macgregor. I could find unfavorable opinion articles about almost any well known person on the Planet so that’s why this type nonsense shouldn’t be included on a bio page about someone, just facts and the reader can then draw their own opinion.
“In a column in The Washington Post by Max Boot, he was described as "a racist crackpot who is pro-Russia, anti-Merkel, anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican".[24]” Sawynn449 (talk) 16:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: As all reading are aware, these are retroactive activist/vandalist edits in response to Colonel McGregor's critique of US foreign policy in Ukraine, and that the authors don't actually believe Colonel McGregor has a "history of attacking Jews", (etc). With that out of the way, we still need to at least attempt to follow basic Wikipedia guidelines. There are no mentions of either group in either quote. "Elites" does not equal "Jewish people" and urban class conflict does not equal "black people". This does not follow a remotely encyclopedic format. We all see the tactic being attempted, but this is so over the top it borders on parody. The section titles must have some sort of direct relationship with the content. The sources ultimately tracing back to "Media Matters" a notorious partisan hitpiece organization, is the icing on the cake. This article needs a complete rehaul until the Ukraine situation passes and the vandalists move onto their next target. 137.83.219.106 (talk) 11:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections on "Jews" and "black people" make no apparent mention of Jews or black people. 

message: He is 6 years older than stated in this article: "1947: Mr. and Mrs. Norman K. MacGregor, Jr., of 6015 Lansdowne Avenue, Philadelphia 31, Pennsylvania, announce the birth of a son, Douglas Abbott MacGregor, on January 4. Mrs. MacGregor is the former 
Alice M. Abbott, '42." (The Dickinson Alumnus, Band 30, Nr. 3 (February 1953), p. 26 
(PDF, p. 28) --2003:E0:F723:2700:2D3D:B090:88A1:F511 (talk) 01:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:    Birthday 

message: Bit thin. Questions are, e. g., when, at which year/age he joined the military and what did he the whole years before his, here, broadly described heroic deed in 1st Iraq war ? --2001:A61:401:9A01:7137:6669:837F:C9A2 (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military career 

message: The entry in the 1953 almanach, p. 26, states explicitly the birth of Douglas Abbott MacGregor to Mr. and Mrs. Norman K. MacGregor on January 4, 1947 ! --2001:A61:401:9A01:44BA:CBBF:9110:C73A (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Captain Douglas Abbott MacGregor, U.S. Army, b. Jan. 4, 1953 (p. 83). In my opinion, we need to remove the date of birth from the article if it is not possible to identify a person with high accuracy (WP:LIVE) Proeksad (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  born 1947 / not 1953 

message: "At a November 1993 exercise at the Army's National Training Center (NTC) at Fort Irwin, Lt. Col. Macgregor's unit vastly outperformed its peers against the "Opposition Force (OPFOR)". The series of five battles usually end in four losses and a draw for the visiting units; his unit won three, lost one, and drew one. Macgregor's unit dispersed widely, took unconventional risks, and anticipated enemy movements."
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
I can't imagine why an army would run simulations that routinely result in a loss for the Blue Force. The OPFOR is not supposed to win, but rather provide some pushback to create realism for the side that is practicing. OPFOR are actors, the visiting force is getting trained. 
The source of this claim is an article trying to say "this Macgregor guy is amazing!" It directly compares him to Patton. To back up that claim is both the false idea that he "led" the Battle of 73 Easting (he didn't) and that he annihilated his opponent in a war game (a fundamental misunderstanding of the point of a war game). I'll trim this fluff if no one disagrees. ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NTC rotation 

message: Re the disputed quote, how about https://www.mediaite.com/tv/liz-cheney-slams-tucker-carlson-guest-who-continues-to-spread-putins-propaganda-and-lies-after-bonkers-segment/ and https://disinfo.detector.media/en/post/american-colonel-predicting-the-imminent-defeat-of-ukraine-has-been-doing-this-since-the-first-day-of-the-war and https://bipartisanreport.com/2022/09/23/liz-cheney-puts-rupert-murdoch-fox-news-on-notice/ BobFromBrockley (talk) 05:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Mediate is WP:MREL and Bipartisan Report is unusable. Is Disinfo Detector a RS? Llll5032 (talk) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think probably none of these are any good for a BLP (although provide a little bit of evidence for this being noteworthy). But I don’t see a problem with the Newsweek citation alone. The quote is verifiable, as the primary source is embedded in the Newsweek article. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheney quote  

message: "Working as the top planner for Gen. Wesley Clark, military commander of NATO, Col. Macgregor helped devise NATO's attack on Yugoslavia."
So is he the top planner, or is he helping devise an attack? Earlier in the article, he's described only as "a top planner" which is probably a more accurate description. A colonel on a four star general's staff is not going to be the lead guy. The article has three different descriptions of his role, with two of them ("a top planner," and "helped devise") seem to disagree with the third.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 06:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  A top planner vs THE top planner