Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 3

message: Can we establish some naming conventions for high schools? Many high schools around the nation have similar names. Most people have been writing Podunk High School (Oregon and Podunk High School (Nebraska), which I think is fine. However, I often run into Podunk High School (Podunk, Nebraska) which I think is a bit excessive. The city's name should only be used if there are two or more high schools with the same name in the same state.
Here's a summary with the three situations:
*Schools with no competing pages: Podunk High School
*Schools with one or more competing pages: Podunk High School (Oregon) and Podunk High School (Nebraska)
*Schools with one or more competing pages in the same state: Podunk High School (Podunk, Oregon) and Podunk High School (Portland, Oregon)
Thoughts? --Liface 05:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty much the convention that was suggested it (but apparently rejected) here: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28schools%29.  It's the one I use too.  Metros232 11:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comments below under #School disambiguation subproject desperately needed, in the paragraph that starts "To make it easy...". BlankVerse 16:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions for high schools

message: I set up a "rural school districts" page for the state of Washington and I was hoping for some feedback before I proceed any further. Are there any issues I should be concerned about with this page? Thank you! — RJH (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No complaints, so I'm going for it. — RJH (talk) 17:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice project. It seems like a good solution for much of the rural Midwest and for rural (and formerly rural) schools in California.  Are you including schools and districts that are defunct? --Hjal 17:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rural school districts in Washington]] 

message: I've posted a second crack at the School notability proposal; it makes a number of references to this Wikiproject, as you might expect, so input would be appreciated.
Before worrying too much, it's largely without subjective standards of notability or unworkable merge proposals; instead, it counsels keeping any school article with the demonstrated potential to be expanded, and counsels merges, redirects, or referrals to this project for those lacking. It's aimed at discouraging unexpandable stubs while protecting any expandable stub or any proper article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm betting this won't fly as it's still too exclusive. Schools are more akin to government institutions than to companies. I think the notability guidelines need to take scale into account. — RJH (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agree. Notability becomes so contested. Sure, there needs to be clear guidelines but these guidelines need to be realistic, acknowledging the nature of the subject. Jpe|ob 04:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SCHOOLS has failed, which is unfortunate because I thought it was a decent set of guidelines for constructing a school article. So I'll just keep on using my personal notability criteria. :-) — RJH (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New [[WP:SCHOOLS]] proposal 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 21:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: There are a number (522) references to links at http://www.greatschools.net .  While there may be justification for using a potentially biased, commercial, source, I feel that this link should not be used if there is an alternative.  (If I commenting in the wrong talk page, please direct me to the correct one.) — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 18:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you believe the data provided by this source is inaccurate? Is there reliable information to back that up? — RJH (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  It may only contain information submitted by the school, in which case it should not be listed at all if the school has an information site, and considered a Wikipedia:Primary source at best.  It may accept information from any "editor", in which case it's of no use to us.  Or it may be a WP:RS.  There's no WP:RS that it is a WP:RS, though.  — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we need a section on the WikiProject Schools page to cover the topic of suitable exterenal references for school articles? For example, what general internet sources would you consider sufficiently reputable for use on wikipedia school articles? — RJH (talk) 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know enough to suggest a good source, but that (the topic of suitable external references for school articles) sounds like an excellent topic for a section of the WikiProject Schools page. — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 01:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Schools 

message: This was tagged for db-attack.  I cleaned it up (i.e. stubbed it) and added sourcing, but based on the edit history, there is a good chance this will devolve into a mess of WP:NFT drivel again.  I have virtually no interest in school articles so I'd simply like to suggest that some party interested in these sorts of articles add this to their watchlist to make sure it doesn't get reverted back into the mess it was.--Isotope23 19:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ernest Bevin College]]

message: Hi,
Just a feeler to gauge your objections (if any) to whipping thru backlogs such as :Category:Uncategorized from November 2006 using AWB and adding your project banner to the talk page of any article that looks like a school's name ("school", "academy", etc.). You might possibly be getting some non-schools this way. It's OK with me if you don't like the idea... Thanks!
Mmm, on second thought.. I was just gonna zip thru and replace  with :Category:Schools, but things may be complicated. The first school I looked at, Brookwood School was uncategorized due to rpeated blanking/ vandalism... and when I found what looked like the best version, it has two categories :Category:Elementary schools in Massachusetts & 
:Category:Middle schools in Massachusetts. This may not be an AWB project after all; may require individual care for every article.--Ling.Nut 01:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  == It looks like a school name in [[:Category:Uncategorized from November 2006]] etc. == 

message: This article requires urgent attention to prevent its unecessary deletion but alot of work needs doing to it, please can a professional take a good stab at this article.--Lucy-marie 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to have improved somewhat, but it could still use a history and some interesting facts. — RJH (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professional help to save [[Heathside School]] 

message: I've noticed quite a few UK-school-stubs lack by-location categories;  I could provide a db-dump-generated list of same, if there's anyone working on categorisation of schools, and it'd be useful to them.  Alai 07:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK school articles lacking by-county locations 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 03:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: As part of the ongoing discussion at WP:SCHOOLS3, I picked up an idea that had previously been mentioned at WP:SCHOOLS:  a template indicating a "merge or expand" request.  I have a draft in my userspace at User:Shimeru/Template:Merge-school for now.  The basic intent is to create a simple tag that makes such articles easy to watch for (by populating a category) and assess (by dating the tag).  A secondary hope is to cut down the number of school AfDs.  I took the existing "cleanup-school" as a guide for basic formatting; I don't think this one is redundant, because it's somewhat different in scope.  
I'm now soliciting comment on it.  Specific questions whose answers would be helpful:  Would you find this tag useful?  Would there be any actual interest in watching the category and addressing these tags?  Could the wording or formatting of the template be improved?  Should the category be a subcategory of :Category:Schools needing cleanup, or only of :Category:Articles to be merged... or something else?  Should it just plain not be implemented? Shimeru 01:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template feedback requested 

message: Could someone have a look at this page? It has lots of unremarkable information such as that the school has a library that stocks Time magazine. Presumably this is of interest to the students in the school but not to anyone else. Where is the line drawn for whether information is too trivial to add to a page? Curtains99 15:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed -[[St. Eunan's College]] 

message: The Wikipedia has numerous school district articles and List of schools articles that use the most common and often very generic names for the schools. That means that several articles might refer to Bryant Elementary School, for just one example. In this case, that article was actually for Bryant Elementary School (Long Beach, California) until I recently moved the school page and then turned Bryant Elementary School into a disambiguation page. The What links here link only showed two links, but a Google search on greatschools.net shows at least a dozen of them. For a more common name, such as Washington Middle School (currently a school in Seattle, Washington), there will be many more schools with the same name. 
What I've found interesting is that even for school names that I thought might be unique (for example, see Signal Hill Elementary School), that there will be a few schools with the same or similar names (there are at least five schools named Signal Hill Elementary School, with a few schools with similar names). That means that Wikipedia editors should NEVER assume that a school name is unique without a Google search, plus one or two searches of school info websites such as greatschools.net.
There are three tasks that I think a School disambiguation subproject needs to do:
1) Check absolutely every school article. If the school name is not unique, move the article to a disambiguation name (e.g. Podunk High School moved to Podunk High School (Podunk, Iowa)), and then turn the original article name into a diambiguation page. Then check the What links here links to see if there are any links that need to be disambiguated.
2) Check every school district article and every List of schools article and disambiguate any names that currently go to a disambiguation article.
3) Go through the disambiguation pages and make sure that every school disambiguation page is tagged with  instead of .
To make it easy to name the newly disambiguated school articles, I think that the school names should ALWAYS be School Name (City, State). I have two reasons to suggest this rule: 1) You never have to check to see if the school's name is unique to a state. 2) It prevents future problems if there is a new school added to a state with the same name. 
Another suggestion: Look at the editing that I did for Signal Hill Elementary School. I think that the Schools WikiProject should get together with Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation and create a specific guideline for school disambiguation pages. My personal opinion is that the school disambiguation pages should include both the city the school is in, and the district the school is in. BlankVerse 08:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School disambiguation subproject desperately needed 

message: There's a discussion at Talk:Taylor Allderdice High School#RFC over whether a school newspaper is a reliable source and how information sourced from it should be represented, if at all, and whether the drug culture in the 1970s in one particular school is notable in any way?  Thoughts welcome to build a consensus. Hiding Talk 16:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School newspapers:  Reliable sources for drug culture? 

message: It seems every time I hit articles for deletion page there are plenty of schools in there. And all I ever read is complaints of notibility. Ive tried in the past to get them to define "notibility" usually the be all end all was google. So unless you have some kind of "notable" alumni, location, building, people, etc. If you have a 'normal" school is your article just buying time till deleted then. You'd get the feeling some of these people who sign the articles up for deletion think wiki is made of paper and we are running out. Is there something that can be done to take care of the constant adding schools to the deletion list? --Xiahou 23:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  editors in a hurry to add schools to AfD for deletion 

message: Hi. At the moment I'm having a bit of trouble at the Eltham College of Education article. User:billy-tm and myself are currently having an edit war over two different versions of the article, both individually written. If I can get some help in discussing which version of the article is better it would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to let me know at my talk page or (preferably) on the article talk page. Normy132 08:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war on [[Eltham College of Education]] 

message: An anonymous user has been repeatedly adding a faculty list to Bishop Timon - St. Jude High School. I removed it, as it doesn't really add anything to the article, but the anonymous user keeps putting it back. Is there a guideline on faculty lists? Hut 8.5 16:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faculty lists 

message: Catalina Foothills High School has some entries in its awards section that look like self-promotion. Is there a guideline for what belongs in the "awards" section of a high school article? Thanks. -- Ben (talk) 00:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  high school awards section 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 23:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I've removed the four schools which were listed as they all seem to have been there for some time. I've moved up three from the list of suggestions. However, the template which appears on the talk pages for some schools (eg, Reading School doesn't seem to get updated at the same time. How do we update the templates? Do these collaborations actually achieve anything? Dahliarose 00:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * You have to separately update the following page: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/School_Collaboration_of_the_Week. I'm sorry it wasn't made clear enough on the front page. --Jh12 05:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration of the week 

message: I keep coming across school articles that are tagged for speedy deletion. What should I do with these? Delete them, or not? Is there any kind of organized procedure or policy (de jure or de facto) with dealing with the many school stubs that come up at WP:CSD? Herostratus 08:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No school notability guideline has been passed for schools so removing a stub or better should be left to prod or AfD unless it is a one liner as that falls under WP:NOT but this is just how I feel. BJTalk 09:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  help 

message: Piner-Olivet Charter School had been  tagged  as it had become a repository for student commentary, etc.  It has been  tagged. I attempted some cleanup and left a note on the talk page (WP:Verify and WP:NOT).  However, I think this page bears watching by those interested in school articles. — ERcheck (talk) 01:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needing attention 

message: Roseburg High School is a good faith effort, but right now is simply a list of things and very little content. For example I want to remove the bell schedule as being unencyclopedic, but it would be nice if another editor did this so the main editor doesn't feel picked on. I've left a few messages on the talk page of the article and the user, but if someone else could encourage the editor to add content that would be great. Thanks! Katr67 02:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh god, this page needs work. /Gets to work. BJTalk 02:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need another editor to chime in on article 

message: I only watch about 200 school articles, but they count for a disproportionate amount of the vandalism that I repair. Vandalism is noticably greater in articles on middle and lower schools. Much of the vandalism is directed towards individuals, almost always derogatory. 
While I agree with the general concept that schools of all types, size, and levels of fame are important to their students and communities, I also feel that Wikipedia has a problem with maintaining so many frequently vandalized articles, and that a vandalized article may be worse than none at all.
I'm surprised that school article vandalism doesn't seem to be an issue on this talk page. Don't other users see it as a problem? -Will Beback · † · 06:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite frankly, I agree with Will. Schools make up less than a tenth of my over 3,000 article watchlist, but take up roughly 1/3rd of my time doing reversions of vandalism. I'm getting very, very tired of it. Instead of giving up on vandalism and spam completely (both of which have greatly increased lately), I have been giving serious consideration to taking all schools off of my watchlist (except my alma maters). For at least half of the schools that I watch, I'm sure that I'm the only one actively watching them, which means that if the Vandalbots, Counter-Vandalism Unit, and Recent changes patrol don't catch the vandalism (they're not catching more than 1/2 of the vandalism on the schools that I watch), then it'll just stay there until some anon Wikipedia visitor comes along and cleans it up, or adds more vandalism to the article (more likely the latter). BlankVerse 07:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Longterm protection of articles has never been popular on Wikipedia, but this appears to be a good use of it. The only other solution I can see is "prodding" articles that get a lot of vandalism. -Will Beback · † · 18:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'll have trouble getting that to fly... and it's true, vandalism isn't, and has never been, an accepted rationale for deletion.  I think this discussion is interesting, though, because one of the arguments commonly used to include schools despite notability questions is "School articles help bring new editors to Wikipedia."  New editors, of course, often do not create an account for their first few edits, so permanent semiprotection of school pages would prevent this purported benefit, weakening the overall case for inclusion of at least some schools.  Personally, I agree that many of the new editors these articles bring are vandals, and I wouldn't lose a moment of sleep over semiprotection, but as someone opposed to blanket inclusion of all high schools, I feel failing to point this out would be intellectually dishonest.  In addition, I think, given Wikipedia's mission, it's the responsibility of those who would see an article included to monitor it for vandalism of this type.  If it's taking such a large amount of time and attention, perhaps we should ask how the article benefits Wikipedia and whether that outweighs the necessity of constant maintenance.  (Perhaps that's self-serving of me -- but I've reverted my share of school-article vandalism, too.)  One possible solution, where the article lacks independent sources or other evidence of notability, would be to merge and redirect the school article to the article about its town or school district -- I'm honestly not sure whether that would prevent vandalism or merely redirect it, too, but it might be worth a shot.  I'm not sure there is, ultimately, any solution; even outright deletion wouldn't prevent recreation, since the articles are rather unlikely to be salted. Shimeru 20:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very, very few school articles have any outside sources. That alone is cause for deletion. Even using the school webiste, in most cases all we would be able to source are details like the school colors, the enrollment, and the names of the administrators. Yes, those could be handled as well by a table in a school district article. I agree that it is the responsibility of those who want the articles to maintain them, and that's why I brought up the issue here. If this project sets the standard for inclusion so low that virtually every school is included, but if project members are unable to maintain the articles they insist must be kept, then there is a problem. We need to find a better balance betwen inclusion and maintainability. I agree that semi-protecting hundreds of school articles wouldn't be acceptable to the general community. That leaves deletion/merging. PRODding articles is one way of finding out if anyone watchs or cares about them. -Will Beback · † · 21:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What has surprised me about many of the official school websites that I've looked at is that you can plenty of info on what the school cafeteria has scheduled, but often you can't find any info on the school colors or mascot. BlankVerse 13:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism and maintenance 

message: Now that the links have been included to make it easier to find the categories of assessed articles it is an interesting exercise to compare the importance ratings of the various assessed schools. The assessments are obviously somewhat subjective but it seems to me that there is a distinct pro-American bias in the assessments and that American schools or schools with an American association are considered more important than other schools. What criteria are used to make these judgements? It makes no sense to me that for instance Kamehameha Schools, which educate only native Hawaiians, are judged to be of top importance whereas Reading School, founded in 1125 and one of the oldest schools in England with many notable alumni and four Grade II listed buildings, is judged to be of low importance. If we are going to have importance ratings could we please have clear guidelines which apply to all countries. Alternatively perhaps schools should be assessed purely on their importance within their own country. All the American schools which are currently listed as having a degree of "importance" are not known outside the US and are only "important" to American readers of Wikipedia. Schools in most other countries are probably also only of importance to readers from the countries concerned. We need to find some way of establishing comparative criteria so that importance is assessed equally for all countries. Alternatively the whole idea should be abandoned.Dahliarose 12:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance assessments

message: I've run into a problem with an editor whose baby is Stillwater Area High School.  I've had to remove a long and detailed timetable of theatrical events, including details of auditions & rehearsals, and now  he's resisting the removal of an even longer set of sections giving full school-magazine/yearbook-style reports on all of the school's sports teams for the past four or five years.  Assuming that I'm right on this, as the project page seems to indicate, could experts on school articles come to the Talk page and offer him some advice on what he should be doing on the article, and how best to do it? Thanks in advance. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 20:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A third (and fourth, fith, etc.) pair of eyes would be very helpful please.  He refuses to give up adding the detailed accounts of the performance of sports teams, despite my pointing him towards the guidelines at this Project. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 22:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports reports 

message: It would appear that a new category has recently been created for the various English specialists schools :Category:Specialist schools in England. It seems like an excellent idea but the category lists are incomplete and the existing categories need populating. Could people possibly add their schools to the appropriate categories. Is there some sort of bot program that can add schools to the appropriate categories in bulk? Dahliarose 15:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would appreciate to rename the category into Specialist schools in UK or at least creating one for each part of the UK. Btw. I know a scottish one... --Lazer erazer 01:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorisation of specialist schools in England 

message: I just wrote the article, I would love some feedback, and the article obviously needs improvment.  I know I need to get the sources, but at the moment I am unable to, but hopefully over the next few days I can add more info including more about the sports, a picture or two, and of course the citations. EnsRedShirt 11:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Conifer High School]]

message: It sure looks like there are a lot of redundant infobox templates - five generic school templates, three high school templates, public, private, US, two UK templates, and so on.
Is there any effort underway to consolidate these all into a handful, preferably into Template:Infobox School?  Would it be useful, for instance, to start walking down the "what links here list" for Infobox School3 updating the articles to use Template:Infobox School?
Of course, any consolidation would have to involve updating the common template to support whatever custom features the variants have added.
Jordan Brown 04:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be helpful, I think.  Looking at the category of school-related templates is somewhat bewildering -- there's no clear indication of which to use, at times.  Consolidation would be a plus. Shimeru 18:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK... I'll attack Template:Infobox School4 - few references, no significant additional features. Jordan Brown 19:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Only gaps I noticed were that Template:Infobox School4 has a "headmaster" field (which it displays as "Principal") and "city", "state", and "country" fields (which it uses to assemble a "city, country").  It does seem appropriate to have a mechanism to show the right title for the leader; the "head_name" strategy in Template:Infobox School3 seems appropriate.  It *might* be appropriate to have the address/location broken down to allow the individual parts to be processed separately, perhaps to automatically add Category:Schools in  or something like that... shrug.  I turned "headmaster" into "principal" (displays the same) and merged all of the location information into "location".  Comments? Jordan Brown 20:22, March 5, 2007 (UTC)
I've been using Template:Infobox Education in the United States, which covers most possibilities, including the option of unique titles. (Note the full listing of fields at the bottom of the article.) I'm not sure that it would be feasible to have a single info box that worked for all English-speaking countries, but we should be able to come up with one infobox like this that could handle almost all options for each major system. It would be nice if the field with an address could generate the geohack template automatically.  It would also be nice to have another version of the geohack thing that didn't put the coordinates in the upper right corner, so you could use the template more than once in the same article.  I've used this template for my own high school, Tam, and for my experiment, Sausalito Marin City School District (which was fraudulently prodded today by a clumsy newbie or a deletionist sockpuppet).  I had to remove multiple geohacks from the second article because of the conflict, but that leaves me with no easy way to do the geolinks for multiple campuses in a district article.--Hjal 05:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Without doing any real review of it, that sounds plausible.  The name is a bit verbose, though.  Perhaps we can merge its features into Template:Infobox School.  (Note that Template:Infobox School has over a thousand links.)  For now, I'm going to attack Template:Infobox US school, which seems both unnecessarily specialized and relatively poorly formatted. Jordan Brown 06:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox template proliferation 

message: There is currently a complete lack of consistency with the treatment of school articles. The assessors are making excellent progress at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Assessment but the process has thrown up a number of anomalies. We now have included in the Schools Project articles on, for example, Cleeve School and Derby Grammar which are nothing more than basic stubs with no attempt to define their notability in line with Wikipedia:Notability. On the other hand if one looks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Schools there is a constant parade of school articles which are recommended for deletion, many of which have far more substantial and noteworthy content than that of some of the existing articles which are already in the scope of the Schools Project. In the deletion debates some users such as Noroton argue repetitively that "all high schools are inherently notable" whereas others insist that schools must have a degree of notability. The whole deletion process seems to be very time-consuming and more often than not results in a merger rather than a deletion. However, in the absence of a workable guideline a lot of time is wasted in repetitive arguments. The schools guideline at Wikipedia:Schools is currently bogged down with conflicting views on the protocol of the various Wikipedia policies. User Shimeru has produced a most useful summary of the current status, based on a survey of the archives (see Wikipedia talk:Schools). Is there any chance that we can use his findings to reach a consensus and form the basis of a workable guideline? Dahliarose 00:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reaching consensus on criteria for school articles

message: I need to know:
Are any of the 500 (my estimate) articles in :Category:Elementary schools in the United States notable? If so, which ones? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody Stop me, Please. 

message: Caulfield Grammar School has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
LuciferMorgan 02:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Caulfield Grammar School FAR

message: Any guidelines for having separate pages about them? While contemplating the newly created Union of Students of the University of Alaska Anchorage page, I found we have a handful of such student-govt pages (:Category:Student governments in the United States). Most don't assert + cite much in the way of notability per WP criteria (WP:ORG is the closest active guideline I can find), but some are officially-sanctioned representative bodies vs "just another student club". I think? Anyway, what's the WP:SCH thought about all this? DMacks 20:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of student-government orgs 

message: I have found that the one secondary school page I edit and monitor is frequently becoming a target of vandalism by unidentified users. I assume these persons are neither registered members or editors on Wikipedia. Is it possible to request restrictions on these pages which would only permit a registered member of Wikipedia to alter articles on US secondary schools? I am not sure if that policy is utilized for other entries, but can it be considered? Mphamilton 17:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * There aren't any permanent solutions, but for now you may want to request Semi-protection for the page here: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. --Jh12 21:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism Concerns 

message: What is wrong with indicating the fact that a school is English Medium?
Eog1916 20:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is an English Medium school? I've never heard of such a thing. Perhaps you could point us in the direction of the article concerned to give us the context. The term will need explaining for an international readership. Dahliarose 22:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The term refers to a school where English is the language of instruction. However, the specific meaning is normally that its students have another language as their first language, and that they are learning English as well as their other course work. Such schools are usually found in former British colonies where English is not the main official language. --Eastmain 00:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: English Medium

message: Hello! I figured it's about time I stuck my head in here, as my primary area of Wikiparticipation is at the article for Battlefield High School, trying to keep it up-to-date, provide the very latest statistical information, provide for or encourage others to contribute the information that brings the article into conformity with high standards established here and in other quality discussions, and of course, fight inevitable vandalism.
I consulted the standards, looked at the Battlefield article in comparison to others in the project, and it seems worthy of an "A" quality rating, though I cannot rationalize anything higher than "Mid" for importance, as it's mostly information relation and doesn't exactly break any new ground.
I'm looking for some independent confirmation of my assessments, and to see if anyone has anything to suggest that might continue to improve the article. Thanks!
Bhs itrt 13:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battlefield High School (PWCS, VA) 

message: I could use some help working on all the schools in the Plano Independent School District.  Please help me if you would like.  PLZ H3LPZORS!  Rockinbuddy 01:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new member requesting help