Talk:Sabretooth (character)

message: The stuff on the Sabretooth FAQ is outdated, unoffcial, and in some cases incorrect. T-1000 04:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old

message: In the Marvel vs. Capcom games, Sabertooth is assisted by a woman named Birdie, who carries a large gun.  I didn't see any mention of her in the article.  Who the hell is she, or was she created just for the games?
:She was his telepathic sidekick in the early 1990s. Jim Lee introduced her in his run on X-Men, and Larry Hama killed her off in the first Sabretooth miniseries.  -Sean Curtin 04:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added info about his time with Birdy.  I also plan to add info about how he "lost his soul" (the first time he killed a child), which more or less was the start of his decent into insanity, I just have to dig up that issue of mine from my old collection.(Whipsandchains 19:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birdie?   

message: When did Sabretooth receive his first Adamantium Skeleton?
When was Sabretooth first revealed to be a mutant with a healing factor similar to Wolverine's?
Sabretooth's first appearance with his first set of Adamantium implants occurred in Wolverine #126.  It was revealed later in Wolverine #145 that Sabretooth was given these implants by Apocalypse.  As to exactly when Sabretooth was revealed to be a mutant with powers, including healing powers, like those of Wolverine I'm not exactly sure.  Truthfully, Sabretooth was a rather generic villain until the early 1990's.  During Sabretooth's earliest appearances, as a Luke Cage and Iron Fist villain, in the late 70's and early 80's, he didn't really possess healing powers.  During this time, he had superhuman strength, stamina, and his body was somewhat tougher than an ordinary human's.  Since Sabretooth became a popular villain, his early days have been tinkered with by various writers over the years that have written various stories, such as Sabretooth's involvement with Team X during the 1960's for instance, that portray Sabretooth as always having accelerated healing powers.  Various writers have been able to smooth over these inconsistencies because the Luke Cage and Iron Fist titles in which Sabretooth initially appeared are fairly obscure.  Sabretooth wasn't a particularly memorable or popular villain so, someone simply decided to juice him up along the way and add bits and pieces to him that he simply wasn't initially created with.  Same thing happened to Wolverine.  In his initial appearances, such as his very first appearance against The Hulk, Wolverine's claws were connected to his gloves rather than being implants within his body.
Sabretooth recieved his adamantium in the Gambit series.  Mr Sinister implanted it in him after it was taken from the Constrictor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.131.46.61 (talk) 03:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adamantium? Mutant? 

message: Why is it that among his notable powers it says that he is highly resistant to telepathic detection and control?  Hasn't he, on many occasions, been controlled by professor X or other psychic beings?    Lue3378 01:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: It looks as if Marvel has finally decided to dig up the old question about a potential father/son type of relationship between Wolverine and Sabretooth.  In the latest issue of Ultimate X-Men, Sabretooth provides an explanation as to how he survived being beheaded, rather anti-climactic in my opinion.  Sabretooth reveals that he was chosen by the Weapon X Program to replace Wolverine because Wolverine happens to be, at least allegedly, his father.
:Ultimate X-Men is in a different universe, it does not have anything to do with Earth 616 creed.T-1000 18:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest Twist

message: I've altered the section somewhat with a little rewording and spaced it out a bit so that it doesn't look as if it's just crammed together.  I've also removed a statement at the beginning of the article that stated Sabretooth healing and regenerating hundreds of times faster than an ordinary human.  That sounds suspiciously like someone's opinion and not a fact taken from Marvel.  It's probably true, but unless it's a confirmed fact from Marvel, it shouldn't be included. Odin's Beard
:as long as we mention his healing powers are not consistent, it is fine.T-1000 06:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers and Abilities

message: You know something I just remembered, one of the claws implanted in Ultimate Sabretooth's left forearm is broken.  You can see it clearly in the image of Ultimate Sabretooth in the section of the article talking about him.  Odin's Beard
oh! i forgat to explain the broken adamantie claw in ultimate x men so here it is dude!
: victor asked to make it quick as possible the new set of extra
automatic-claws and as such resulted in process to rushed and sloppy
to make perfect shaped set.
that's why one claw is actualy incomplete rather than broken atleast that's
may speculation what do you think?
Nah, I don't buy it.  To look at the picture, the claw doesn't appear to be misshapen to me, it simply looks as if it's been broken.  Sabretooth is an operative of the Weapon X Program, which I think is  government funded at least to some extent, so I doubt that the government would approve of their brain trust doing a halfassed job in developing their operatives or improving the operatives, particularly one of their top agents like Sabertooth.   There are questions as to the durability of the Ultimate Marvel Universe's version of Adamantium, due in part to the situation involving the UMU's version of the Hulk ripping Wolverine in half. There's all sorts of speculation among readers, but there's never been anything confirmed by Marvel.  Since the Ultimate Marvel Universe is an entirely seperate reality, writers can pretty much do whatever they want to do even if it completely ignores decades of accepted canon within the Earth-616 continuity.  I don't belive that the UMU's version of Adamantium is nearly as durable as the Earth-616 version.  That's my position, however, until/unless Marvel publishes something that makes me think otherwise.  Odin's Beard
well,stay convinced on what you wish Odin's beard,my explantion is the process for creating adamantie-claws set
was in a rush and thus one claw broken during forging,
i don't really see any difference betwwn the mainstream marvel(wich i droped in ultimate favor) and the ultimate version of sabretooth short of the enhancements
fashion,and physical mutation more tiger-like,
both version are exactly the same hyper psycho-charismatic for wich i love the character so much he always kicks me in to shape
You're entitled to your opinion.  I don't agree with it, but you're entitled to it.  It's all just speculation at this point no matter we believe because Marvel hasn't said anything about it.  As far as any differences between the two Sabretooth's, there are a few physical ones although they're trivial and minor.  Ultimate Sabretooth is a few inches shorter and about 50 pounds lighter than the mainstream counterpart.  The Earth-616's skeleton is laced with Adamantium, while Ultimate Sabretooth's isn't, he was only implanted with a set of claws similar to Wolverine's.  We don't really know much of Ultimate Sabretooth's background or the Earth-616's background either for that matter.  To my knowledge, nothing has been revealed about the mainstream version's path  before the 1960's, when he was a member of Team X, and it's likely to stay that way.  If they ever decide to do anything more with the Ultimate  version of Sabretooth, I'd say that there'll be some real differences. As for right now, I'd pretty much have to agree that there aren't any major differences between the two except for a few trivial things. Odin's Beard
okay you are right odin's beard,i forgot that the histories and origins may be very different
though,and answering the ripped in half wolverine by the hulk is that logan's joint-bones aren't covered if they were covered he would unable to move smoothly.
even yuriko deadstrike noted that logan's 
skeleton isn't completely covered he has at least two pieces still breakable,
my speculations about victor's broken adamantium claw well,
i don't know but
it make sense to me that one claw was broken during forging process
i am not forcing ANYONE into my opinion
the writers of ultimate marvel like mark millar will never (mostly) expain this stuff to us 
they believe we are inventive enough to figure out this on our own
====Irony=====
He was around for about ten years before first appearing in an X-Men comic.
21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultimate Sabretooth's Adamantium Enhancements 

message: He was around for about ten years before first appearing in an X-Men comic.
21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irony=

message: In Wolverine: The End, was it implied that Sabretooth knows about Origin? T-1000 04:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC
Wolverine: The End isn't canon.  It's not part of the mainstream Marvel Universe, it's just another alternate reality/timeline.  There was a lot of talk about The End, debate as to whether or not it's canon.  The thing that kind of ruined the storyline as being canon was a storyline was being published at the same time that was contradicted the events of Wolverine: The End.  The first issue of Wolverine: The End came out in January 2004 and in March of that year, a storyline was started in New X-Men #151 that's set 150 years in the future, where as the events in Wolverine: The End are set roughly 100 years in the future.  I'm can't compltely remember all the events surrounding the New X-Men storyline but I remember that it involved Jean Grey, the Pheonix, and I believe something involving the Beast being taken over by some kind of entity/lifeform of some sort.  I'm a little iffy about that last one, but Beast was involved.  Anyhow, the New X-Men storyline featured Cassandra Nova, the decendants of Xavier Institute students that had been heavily featured in the title during the time, and Wolverine.  What I remember most about the New X-Men storyline was that Wolverine looked exactly the same 150 years in the future while in Wolverine: The End, which is set roughly 50 years before the events of New X-Men, Wolverine has aged considerably.  The New X-Men storyline worked itself out with Jean sort of manipulating the timeline and reality and all that stuff and the storyline wound up being...yep you guess it, just another alternate reality/timeline.  In The End storyline, while Logan is at Creed's funeral service, an attorney presents Logan with a letter.  Next thing, Logan and George have driven halfway across Alberta and come up on the the deserted Howlett mansion.  Also, the events that've happened as a result of the House Of M storyline and Wolverine: Origins have mooted The End since Wolverine has all of his memories restored and that wasn't the case with The End. Odin's Beard 01:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the letter is from Creed, right? It had something to do with the Howlett estate, correct? So does this imply that Sabretooth knows about the Howletts? T-1000 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've read somewhere that Dog Logan is somehow tied into this. Was he mentioned? T-1000 01:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Origin (comics)|Origin]]

message: Is that section really even necessary since Sabretooth didn't make any appearance, alive or dead, in the mini-series? Since his body wasn't shown, and given the whole mysterious cloak and dagger kind of plot of the series, Sabretooth's status as dead or alive couldn't be verified one way or the other. Odin's Beard 00:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It still is an alternative version of Sabretooth that dies. As I don't think there will be a sequel to the End series, we can accept that Sabretooth died in this alternate universe. T-1000 00:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolverine: The End 

message: Your article mentioned that sabretooth will be joining the x-men for the first time in x-men#188.  I think this is incorrect because I remember reading a few years ago that sabretooth was taken in by charles xavier (or was it magneto?) as a replacement for wolverine (wolverine was missing or went on hiautus or something).  So sabretooth became an x-man then (so this will not be his first time to be an x-man).  I remember this because that was the first time I liked sabretooth and became a fan of sabretooth because he was now a hero but with a very dark side.
Sabretooth was being held by the X-Men, but he was never a member. Basically, Sabretooth was a prisoner.. After the death of Birdy, a woman possessing telepathic abilities that Sabretooth had used to help control his fits of bloodlust, Sabretooth went on a worldwide killing spree. He was eventually captured by The X-Men with the help of Maverick. After Sabretooth was brought to the X-Mansion under Xavier's orders in order to at least attempt to treat him, help him control his feral nature. Sabretooth was held in a special cell that was designed by Forge. Sabretooth appeared at the X-Mansion just after Wolverine departed, after having the adamantium magnetically ripped from his skeleton by Magneto. Sabretooth wasn't an X-Man, he was a dangerous mutant that Xavier was attempting to treat. Sabretooth, just like Wolverine, is prone to berserker rages. Unlike Wolverine, however, Sabretooth revels in the carnage he causes. He relishes giving into his feral nature and instincts whereas Wolverine doesn't. This made Sabretooth nearly impossible to treat, even for someone like Xavier. Sabretooth, at least for now, is at the X-Mansion seeking asylum, not because he wants to be an X-Man or believes in the X-Men's cause. Odin's Beard 23:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't Sabretooth an x-man before? 

message: Graydon Creed was assasinated by Bastion, not Mystique as the article states. Mystique appeared to want him dead, but was actually trying to stop the assasination. 193.63.48.48 11:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graydon Creed 

message: I heard that in one comic, the narration used a racial slur used to insult Jews to describe Sabretooth.  The narration said something like "the vicious k*ke known as Sabretooth".  Is this true?  If so, what were the bloody writers thinking!?  Also, is Sabretooth supposed to be Jewish in the first place?  I've heard of non-Jews being called Jewish racial slurs, but in any case, it wasn't a good idea to use that word. Evernut 16:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC
The comic in question is Wolverine #131. Simple explanation is that "The killer known as Sabretooth" was misprinted as "The  kike  known as Sabretooth". Heggart 18:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial Slur? 

message: Is it possible for someone to upload a more appropriate image for the infobox?
The current one fails in a lot of ways based on the Project guidelines (Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Style guidance#Superhero box images).
- J Greb 20:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: In Wolverine vol.3 #52, the latest issue, Wolverine slices off Sabretooth's right hand, so where'd the adamantium go? I haven't followed much of the storyline involving Sabretooth seeking asylum with the X-Men, so does anyone know if something was mentioned during the storyline about him losing the metal or is this an example of the writer paying no attention to continuity?Odin's Beard 22:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Odin, from what I can tell, no one is really sure how Wolverine was able to cut off Sabretooth's hand, his arm, and finally, his noggin. From a continuity standpoint, it was never cited that he had lost his Adamantium after the events of WOLVERINE (vol. 3) #162 in May, 2001. The best explanation I can suggest is that Logan's mysterious Muramasa Blade, forged specifically for his sense of anger, I guess, somehow "magically" nullifies the invulnerabilities of his hated opponent. I kind of understand it as, the sword hates what he hates, be it an enemy, or even himself... I don't know. Maybe Loeb just didn't care about canon. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.74.244.63.126 14:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty much what I've thought myself. I've heard people go on and on about how he sliced through the joint and severed the connective tissues rather than the bone itself. The only problem with that is when his hand was lopped off, all of Wolverine's claws were extended when he made the strike. If the intention was to sever the connective tissue with one claw, the others would have banged up against the adamantium bones in Sabretooth's forearm and kept the one claw from cutting through. It's just a sloppy situation all around.Odin's Beard  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to his adamantium skeleton? 

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message: The article states that around the time that Creed was employed by The Foreigner, his strength was augmented by The Hand.
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message: Is Mike Zeck the artist for the picture of Sabretooth's parents? (JoeLoeb (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. The FUR lists Mark Texeira, and that appears correct. - J Greb (talk) 23:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zeck? 

message: The article states that "Sinister clones several of the Marauders so that he has a loyal group of lackeys after the originals die, but Sabretooth cannot be cloned." This doesn't seem to be true since in X-Force (the new series) #9 the team breaks into one of Sinister's old bases and is faced with an army of old Marauder clones, featuring at least two of Sabretooth. Should that bit of info be taken out since it doesn't seem to be true anymore? ChlorineFriday (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was simply retconned, then it needs to stay in in order to explain the context of the stories where he wasn't being cloned. However, I've read most of Sabretooth's appearances from the 1980s and 90s, and this bit about him not being able to be cloned is new to me. Moreover, it doesn't make sense; Sabretooth is a living being, yes? A human mutant? Then he must have DNA. So how can he not be cloned? Obviously the writers may have chosen to throw logic out the window, but I'll need to see the issue where it is said he can't be cloned before I'll believe it. I'm going to boldly remove that statement. Hopefully that will lead anyone who knows more about this to post here.--NukeofEarl (talk) 17:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloning? 

message: There are a total of 9 non-free images, and the recommended is about 2 or 3.  I think that the box image should stay, along with the Liev from X-Men:Origins, then I'm torn ... either the young Sabertooth or the powers image seem to add character to the page. Other thoughts?  -Sharp962 (talk) 21:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: this page is useless. I was tryig to get work done and all I saw was ridiculously, unuseful text.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.230.197 (talk) 10:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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message: The section about Logan, Sarah, Victor and Saul has confusing references using just Creed and it's unclear which brother it means.  I don't know the tale enough to fix it so I'll mark it with attribution templates.  24.241.69.99 (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victor and Saul Creed 

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message: According to Marvel editorial, Sabretooth was never an actual member of this team. Zuckyd1 (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avengers Unity Squad 

message: I think Birdy (comics) should be a separate article? I found some third person sources. Sabretooth's Old Ally Birdy Might Save the Marvel Universe (cbr.com) , X-Men: Wolverine Brought Sabretooth's Forgotten Sidekick Back Into Action (cbr.com) , Marvel's marauding mutants must face judgment as Judgment Day arrives in Marauders #6 first look | GamesRadar+ Dwanyewest (talk) 08:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like it’s already done. Should this discussion be closed? HappyWith (talk) 04:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

text: We could always give it a try, and if someone disagrees it can be redirected back here again until proper sourcing can be found. That's my opinion though. BOZ (talk) 14:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article