Talk:Fort Street High School

message: I don't want to sound peeved off, but I had already warned you guys not to put personal information onto Wikipedia. Enochlau 06:13, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is most disappointing that there are such immature people out there (especially from Fort Street!) that have vandalised the article to the extent that it warrants a protection.,. Enochlau 16:42, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The "Curriculum" section of this article is clearly written in the form of an advertisment, and thus in accordance with wikipedia policy (see advertising section) will be marked as such untill the section in question is either re-written or deleted.
Jason McConnell-Leech 14:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and if I still sound like an advertisement, I apologise, but I'm just really good at selling stuff. :P ----JamesSugronoU|C 14:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement tag

message: Will the idiots who keep putting up vile comments about teachers past and present stop it now? Enochlau 04:03, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop the vandalism 

message: The following text was removed:
In 2005, year 11 has created a new lunch-time competition called the FORT STREET IDOL. This competition is similar to the Australian Idol or the American Idol when people sing in front of an audience as singers get evided slowy. The prize is a mini iPod.
-- Enochlau 12:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I should've explained that as well. Personally, I'd call that piece of information unverifiable trivia. If you look at the history log, it originally said that he went to Fort Street for a year, then it got changed to a week. A week?? I have serious doubts about the validity of such a statement. Google was of no help, so it's probably best if we leave it off until we get a reference? Enochlau 13:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thought it might be something like that. I had no idea what the correct time was, but it's fairly well documented that he complete his schooling at SGS. I found , which actually backs my memory of thinking Barton would be better claimed by FSPS. JPD 14:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That timeline is very interesting indeed. A pity it doesn't make clear the timeframe. Enochlau 11:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: Yikes! Two weeks is enough!  Unprotected as requested on WP:RFPP. --Tony SidawayTalk 10:08, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotected

message: Under "Environmental Council", the word "with" is missing from the sentence:
In a nod towards the school's heritage, the council works closely the Observatory Hill Environmental Educational Centre, including the planning of EcoTour 2010.
Nick-cyclist (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo

message: Hey enoch,
if you have time, can you verify the number of JJ from Fort St and Sydney Grammar respectively? I'm pretty sure its not 11/12. I've found 5 from Fort St and 7 from Grammar, counting Barton J in both cases. 
There are several whose high schools I haven't been able to find, being Taylor J (1952-69) McHugh J (1989-2005) Gaudron J (1987-2002), and Crennan J (2005-). So I would say it's max 6-7 or 7-8.--Sumple 00:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will look into it. The Butterworths dictionary has biographies - but I'm not sure if they list high schools. enochlau (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are some for which I can't find any info on. However, I can confirm 7 went to Sydney Grammar and 4 went to Fort Street. Who's the fifth? See my list of high court judges and their high schools at User:Enochlau/High Court Judges. enochlau (talk) 13:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  Note: Cross posted at Talk:Sydney_Grammar_School#High_Court_Judges. enochlau (talk) 14:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count of High Court Justices 

message: Omg what was with those lib/greenie weirdos? anyway sir john kerr was an ALP member, not a lib! --Sumple 10:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attack of the weird politicos! 

message: I removed the bit about Fort St having a State-of-the-art Recording Studio - We don't have one! Draction 22:39 22 April 2006
sir john kerr was a wan kerr.andrew 1971  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.95.132 (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced comment 

message: I don't understand why this vandalism is so funny. The page will be semi-protected. enochlau (talk) 11:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: liberal stooges suck. --Sumple (Talk) 11:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: i was under the impression the old building has changed to the wilkins building, not the wilkinson. maybe i'm wrong, but you never know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sambob joe (talk • contribs) .
: I thought it was Wilkinson, but I may have got it mixed up with the building at Sydney Uni. Are you a current student at fort st? --Sumple (Talk) 09:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  We might be able to check up Maroon and Silver - I have a suspicion that Wilkins(on) was a past principle/headmaster/headmistress. enochlau (talk) 09:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good idea Enoch. Indeed it is: WILKINS William 1851-1851. Now why would you name a whole building after some guy who served less than a year? --Sumple (Talk) 09:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From : "The person most instrumental in the formation of the NSW education system in the latter half of the nineteenth century was William Wilkins. He was sent from England in 1848 as 'a suitable person trained in the Irish National System' to take up the position of headmaster for a Sydney model school. His past experience included several years at Parkhurst Reformatory for juvenile criminals." That would suggest that he was the first headmaster in 1849, but thought Maroon and Silver suggests otherwise, he was definitely a significant figure in NSW education. I think many other things in the NSW education system are named after him as well. JPD (talk) 10:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cool, that's quite interesting. Thanks for that =) enochlau (talk) 11:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Hint: you can sign your comments with ~~~~. enochlau (talk) 04:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilkins? 

message: Has someone actually checked sources for all the alumni listed? Most of the articles linked to do not mention where they went to school, but Harry Hopman actually says that he went to Parramatta High School! JPD (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the ones I added are listed in Maroon and Silver. --Sumple (Talk) 00:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wonder how much we can trust that book. Does it appear to be well-researched? enochlau (talk) 00:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd say Ron Horan is better qualified as a historian than any of us. --Sumple (Talk) 00:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  I'd trust the book as much as most other books. At any rate, I'd say it's good enough for WP verifiability standards - my question is more along the lines of whether all the people in the list were added because of sources such as that. JPD (talk) 09:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni 

message: I know Fort St's biggest asset by far is its alumni, but the alumni list is getting a tad long compared to the article. Perhaps a separate people page like they have at Sydney Grammar or was it Sydney High? --Sumple (Talk) 23:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the trigger for moving the alumni list out is if the entire article is too long, not that the list is long compared to the rest of the article. But if you want to move it out, I wouldn't object. enochlau (talk) 01:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There really are FAR too many redlinked people on this page. I hope some enthusiast of this school and page will work on cleaning this up or making pages for all these "notable" folk. Kukini 17:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It doesn't really matter that there are too many red linked people on this page, and it's not up to editors of this page to create articles for them. All we have to be certain of is that the people who are linked from this page could have Wikipedia articles under notability guidelines. enochlau (talk) 01:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true as long as the editors of this page cull off any non-notable people on the list as they are added by current students trying to put their name online or those of others around them. Large numbers of redlinks also make it easier to hide fake "famous" people in the list. Kukini 04:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It could just mean that no one has gotten around to writing it. Wikipedia isn't complete. enochlau (talk) 08:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate "people" page? 

message: Hey, I'm about to add a bit of information about Suginami Sogo being Fort Street's sister school. I am adding it to the first part... it seems to be the only section where it fits in. (Apart from school traditions, doubtfully.) If anyone feels it is inappropriate, feel free to remove or move, I just felt that Suginami Sogo should get a mention. Jamessugrono 09:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good - even better since you provided a reference too. enochlau (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister School 

message: I removed:
The school's relative strengths are history, mathematics and the social sciences.
 It had been tagged for a source since May, and I'm sure that if this statement was needed in this article, a source would have been found by now. If anyone believes I'm not actign according to Wikipedia policy, specifically WP:PROVEIT, feel free to put it back. If you agree with me and would still like this statement included in this article, please find a source, such as a HSC results book or some sort of reliable source Thanks----JamesSugronoU|C 07:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, that could be said.  That can probably be verified, but it goes down the lines of WP:NOR more.  I have a feeling that more of these people are actually going to this school.  Then again, it's the teachers/the principal teaching us about this school's history, so that could be original research, could it?  ætərnal ðrAعon → 11:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up 

message: I have given a B rating for WP Australia and a rare mid importance for a school.  However it really needs more references and in line citations to get any where near a GA rating.  Some more photos and possibly a diagram would not go astray either. Graeme Bartlett 03:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: rating

message: Suggested photos:
* Gym
* Oval
* General Photographs
Add to the above list, but leave a comment also. Thanks
Hey, I'm an attending student right now. Are there any other phots that would be appropriate for me to obtain? Perhaps a picture of the school assembled on Speech Day at Town Hall, to add to or replace the Memorial Hall? I can take above-average photos, but I need some ideas. Compile a list here, if you have any ideas on what to take photos of, and I'll work on getting them right after holidays are over.----JamesSugronoU|C 16:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be fabulous if you could take some photos. Just keep in mind that its best to avoid images of minors as schools have to gain parental permission to publish names and images of students, and you never know when it could be a safety risk. A photo of assembled students where you can't clearly identify each student (eg. from a distance) would be fine though. Photos of facilities are always good so maybe one of the gym or oval or something (i've only seen Fort Street from the road so not sure what would be best). I'll have a look for some historical photos. Best of luck! Loopla 02:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add those to the list, and work on them as soon as spring holidays finish. I mean, these are the spring holidays, right... Maybe I'll get a photo of us at Town Hall next year, maybe a shot from above and slightly side-on would be acceptable? Because if I do it straight from the back, you can see the people on the stage, and from the side or front would pose similar problems. I should remind myself to do that, the opportunity only comes around every year or so. I'll take as many photos as I can, and I'll post them in a gallery-style thingy here, so we can figure out which ones would be best. Nice work getting that photo of the cigarette card. I'll see that it be moved to Commons as soon as possible, it fits the criteria. ----JamesSugronoU|C 05:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah maybe a shot of the students sitting in the raised seating area taken from the ground floor (or vice versa) that way you can see uniforms etc without too much detail. There are 3 more cigarette cards online for Fort Street (girls and boys).. feel free to change it if you prefer one of the other ones. They may be found Here. There are also heaps of historical images that can be used. They can be found Here. Hope those links work. Loopla 09:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It would be, but would there be enough room in the article to house them? I'll take some photos of everything, and see how they can fit in.----JamesSugronoU|C 05:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's never a bad thing to have images, even if you are not using them immediately. Any that don't fit in the article can go on a Commons page and might come in handy later on. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Hey, I'm going to be adding a lot, and I mean a lot of content to the History Section. A school with a history as rich as ours deserves a History section that does it justice, no? Anyway, the information will be from Maroon and Silver, "The School on The Hill", and Fort Street. If there are any questions, feel free to ask me about them. Jame§ugronoContributions 11:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just add that just because something is in those books doesn't mean it's important enough to write down. Just remember that this is an encyclopedia, and there are some things that just aren't congruent with that - just use your judgement. I'm sure you'll do well - thanks. enochlau (talk) 11:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course not. Heavens, there's so much in there that I didn't add! In fact, since a lot of the information in those books is derived from interviews, there's a lot of nostalgia which make them appear a lot longer than they actually are. I'm only adding, of course, information of encyclopaedic value, or at least, what I would expect to find. However, I'll take some advice from PalaceGuard008 and move the new section into a subpage. In the meantime, I'll revert only the history section to the revision just before my changes. The new section in progress can be found at this user subpage. And thanks to everyone who's been adding internal links to the sections. I expect to have the new, re-furbished History section done at the latest, by the end of the year. I would say sooner, but that I can't actually guarantee. Jame§ugronoContributions 08:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section 

message: Hi - as many regulars will know, I've been doing significant work on the school's article, adding more information referencing the old, etc. However, I would like to make an open call for help on the new History section, which I've been working on in one of my subpages. Anyone who can get their hands on a reliable source documenting the schools history, particularly notable events in the school's life should contribute. Anyone who can contribute any reliable, independent sources should help. The subpage can be found at: User:Jamessugrono/Fort Street High School History
Thanks in advance for any help. Jame§ugrono 07:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New history section 

message: Following a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Assessment it has been decided to upgrade Fort Street to high importance in view of its status as the oldest public school in Australia and because of the length and importance of the alumni list. Dahliarose 08:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reassessment

message: I'm sure many of you know about this, most probably in a greater detail than I do myself. For those that don't, several Fortian students were involved in an attempted armed assult against students at a neighbouring school earlier this week.
Of course it goes without saying there will be a section created in the main body of this article concerning this incident as soon as appropriate media coverage is available.Jason McConnell-Leech (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, any developments? enochlau (talk) 13:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a current student, I know that one student was expelled for possessing of an illegal firearm and drugs. Another student suspended for being at the scene. Since there is no media coverage over this (it's not even in the school newspapers) I can't say who was involved or who the other school is. Extremepro (talk) 04:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As a student indirectly involved with the alleged assaulters I can tell you that this event received no media coverage as it was an internal issue that never got out to the media as the police were not present at the scene to defuse the onset of the alleged assault and the students involved were intercepted by the principal. The student mentioned above by Extremepro was not in fact expelled for possession of an illegal firearm and drugs, instead they were suspended for the maximum allowed time period and asked to consider moving schools to split up the group involved which they chose to do. The information from Extremepro about other students was purely rumour and speculation and does not in fact represent the true events proceeding and preceding the "attempted armed assault" which in fact was not even attempted, merely considered, some might say a little too much.--Guywithoutaname (talk) 03:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted armed assult 

message: The school principal is not "John Gaal =D", its Roslynne Moxham. That should be pretty obvious, considering the =D, now FSHS teachers ridicule Wikipedia at being unreliable just because now they actually have proof. I would've left it, because Gaal would have been a better one, if I didn't care so much about Wikipedia. http://www.fortstreet.nsw.edu.au/School/Principals-Welcome/ First line of the history section also has an obvious error.110.174.36.237 (talk) 10:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure the editor's point was that John Gaal (or any random walking off the street) would have made a better principal. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Principal 

message: principle=John Gaal
Cokepenguin (talk) 07:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the official website, the principal is still Roslynne Moxham. Favonian (talk) 08:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  change principleCokepenguin, 9 June 2010 

message: Hey,
I'm just wondering whether there is any kind of revival movement regarding the FLOP? The article makes it seem as though this is current, so I wonder whether anyone knows whether it is? I'm going to change it to past tense, if anyone contests, feel free to cite and edit. Thanks! Jame§ugrono 09:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FLOP protests? 

message: A reader has supplied a photo of a collage of the crests of Fort Street High.
This image may belong on the article, but it isn't clear to me where, or whether it needs accompanying text. I hope some of the editors can find a way to use it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crests of Fort Street High 

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