Talk:Ippo Makunouchi

message: This page was created to allow editors to add information about the character Ippo Makunouchi from the Fighting Spirit (Hajime no Ippo) series because the main article had gotten to be too big. To any editors that contributed to the Ippo Makunouchi character section of the Fighting Spirit article, please transfer over any unnecessary information from that article into this article.
Guyinblack25 20:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Regarding the size of Ippo's organ in the "Background" section, please refrain from making it vulgar. While it is a reoccurring joke in the series, simply stating that he has a "large penis", can be interpreted as vulgar by more than a few. I edited the content to try and show the information in a more tasteful way and relate it to the character and series. If someone has a better way of incorporating it into the article please do so.
*My 2 Cents - While personally, I would have no problem with it being removed completely from the article. But as mentioned earlier, I can't deny that it is a small part of the series. Just please keep it acceptable
Guyinblack25 20:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distasteful Content

message: Regarding the change of voice actors, let's not get into an edit war over this, it can get us both in trouble and it won't help the article. If ANN is going to update their list of VA for this series then ok, we'll change it. I have no problem with that, but let's wait until they do. Unless you have another reference that can be used to cite the new VA, then we can use that. In the meantime, I'll check the end credits for the series to verify. Also, that reference on Steve Staley's name is linked to other reference tags in the article. By deleting that, the reference displayed in the reference section is blank. We both want the same thing, the right information displayed, but we still have to follow Wikipedia's guidelines for doing. So let's just wait on changing the info for now. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting enough the Geneon credits do list Steve Cannon as the english voice actor for Ippo. However it is strange that Steve has an uncanny similar voice to Eddie Frierson's character, Makoto Mizuhara in El Hazard yet Steve is not credited providing any voices for the later series. I'm having difficulty believing that Geneon correctly linking the right person with the right character, but I'm not going to dispute it. Maybe that's something I could ask Steve or Eddie the next time they are at a convention near me. Guyinblack25, if you have a chance, watch El Hazard and compare Ippo's voice to Makoto's. I'd like to hear what you think of their resemblence. 96.231.46.204 04:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice actors

message: Regarding the merger of Mamoru Takamura and Ippo Makunouchi's articles into the aforementioned, I feel that the merger omits a considerably large portion about the characters and their personalities. Unless someone can provide good reason as to why the articles should remain in their current state as opposed to their original forms, I find the large omission of relevant information to be reasonable grounds to call for an undo. TJohnson 21:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is to give a general overview, not bloat it beyond belief. Those two can probably deal with another paragraph if you want to add it, but it will never be a reason to keep an article that fails policies and guidelines. TTN 21:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I do feel that Takamura's article is a little too much, but I must insist upon the fact that there is enough information about the titular character of the series to merit a separate article as per WP:FICT, Section 2.1. TJohnson 21:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Characters require information about their creation and reception to receive an article. In-universe information plays no part in  that decision. TTN 21:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's your basis for deletion, then you have a lot of titular characters to merge. Basically, any character from a manga or anime that does not have a fanbook of some sort is subject to that rule. TJohnson 22:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the long term plan (very, very long term). Any topic that does not show the potential to meet the notability guideline or any of its child guidelines needs to be merged or deleted. TTN 22:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That seems a bit rash, though this is speaking from personal experience and not as a member of the site. Deleting a lot of information that seems helpful for the most part because of no one can find the fanbook. That being said, there are scans of it outo n the web somewhere, and if that will work as reference from real-life, I'll be happy to track it down. I just feel that it's too much information to toss away. TJohnson 05:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For it to help, it would need to provide a few paragraphs of pure development and creation information. TTN 15:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose: I have to agree with TJohnson. I also find that a the information provided before the merger is sufficient enough for the character to receive its own page as per the aforementioned WP:FICT, Section 2.1. Information about a character's "creation and reception" does not solely consititute an article nor does "development" information; it can be anything as long as it pertains to the subject matter. I support the reversion of this article back to it's origional state. Neovu79 05:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:WAF and pay close attention to WP:WAF#Secondary information. You need that information to build the article, and that is backed by the anime/manga project. Please do not undo them, as this discussion was started afterwards. TTN 20:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose: Most if not all the information can be taken directly from the manga and tv series. Also the information is fine, it just needs to be cleaned up. Please do not turn this into an undo war. Unless you can find people to agree with your case, it should have been left the way it was. Saevurr 03:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's three for Oppose. Neovu79 07:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's nice, but the number of people is irrelevant in this case. Consensus is decided by policy, not by fans. Do not revert without appeasing WP:V, WP:RS, WP:N, WP:FICT, and WP:WAF. TTN 12:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what I mean! Stop reverting the damn page. If you all have this much free time, contribute to it and FIX IT, this goes especially to Neovu79 and TTN! Saevurr 16:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger into [[List of Fighting Spirit characters]]