Talk:Universal design

message: This article is very poor, especially considering the significant importance of universal/inclusive design to designers of all products and services today and the inevitable increase in the percentage of the population who will require more inclusive design in the future. The introduction is poorly written, the principles section is lazy and the examples are weak. If I have some spare time I'll rewrite it NinjaSteve (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite in order 

message: this article grinds my gears.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 19:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there has been notable criticism of the concept, it should be included here. I do not know of any secondary sources that have reported on criticism of "Universal Design" in general. It is likely that some points could be made against the adoption of "Universal Design." There may be some disadvantages to applying "Universal Design" - eg thicker spoons are easier to grip, so more accessible, but also require more materials and occupy more drawer space. However sources would be required and will probably be difficult to find. 216.36.186.2 (talk) 19:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  My main gripe with "universal design" is the architectual and esthetic aspect - the ever-expanding and more specific rules leaves architects with less and less room to create something unique and everything gets the same bland hospital/retirement home-like look. It also adds to costs when buildings are required to have elevators, space for turning wheelchairs etc, in order to accomodate a very small fraction of the population. This can get especially bad when it comes to reconstructing or refurbishing historical buildings, the architect may have to do so many compromises to comply with regulations that the end result only bears superficial resemblence to what was intended.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.34.144 (talk) 18:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  No criticism section? 

message: The lead section says: "Barrier free design and assistive technology provide a level of accessibility for people with disabilities but they also often result in separate and stigmatizing solutions, for example, a ramp that leads to a different entry to a building than a main stairway." A ramp that leads to a different entry is probably not an example of barrier-free design but of retrofitting a solution to an entry that was not designed to be accessible. It would be better to remove that statement. --ChristopheS (talk) 19:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retrofitting is not barrier free design 

message: Proposal Merge Design for All (design philosophy) into this page. Both articles are about exactly the same concept. "Universal design" is is the more "generic" of the two terms and is also not as slogan-like as "Design for All". Roger (talk) 11:59, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment No objection, in principle, to merge. However, I understand that they are not "exactly the same concept" and that there are subtle differences between the two terms. As I'm not an expert on this, please don't ask me what they are. I do know that there has been extensive debate among the disability organisations in Europe and that the preferred term seems to be Design for All. Possibly the debate follows the line of "People with disabilities" vs. "Disabled people". Regards, --Technopat (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Many publications about Universal design and Design for All (design philosophy) say that there is a distinction; some say there is no distinction. We need more clarity on this matter before we merge the articles. --ChristopheS (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment On the contrary, I think merging them will in fact allow a distinction to become clearer - if there is one. As I read it "Design fo All" was/is simply a catchy slogan that was initially used as the title of a European Commission publication about universal design and then subsequently adopted as a generic term in the UK/Europe.  Roger (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment As I mentioned above, am not an expert on this, but as I understand it, universal design refers mainly for objects, whereas design for all refers to the relationship between people and their everyday surroundings as well as objects. On the other hand, not so sure that the European Commission can frivolously be “accused” of catchy slogan-like marketing techniques. European disability organisations seem to have adopted it unanimously. As for the merge, the more I think about it, the more I reckon that any article combining the two concepts would be too long for ease of reading. --Technopat (talk) 18:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Comment IMHO if they are to continue as two separate articles the difference(s) between them must be clearly and unambigiously stated. Roger (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The article currently claims that the term “Barrier Free” is used primarily in Japan and non-English countries. I find this puzzling, as the term is used in English-speaking countries. What, if any, is the rationale behind the claim?—Al12si (talk) 03:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of Barrier Free not correct 

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message: In the first sentence it says universal is related to inclusive, but never defines inclusive, which is very confusing. I hope someone can remedy this, otherwise I'll like remove the inclusive reference. -Reagle (talk) 20:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with inclusive design 

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