Talk:Buddhist vegetarianism

message: I hate to just remove this, because I'm sure the author must have meant something, but "the Mahayana buddha" doesn't make any sense.  I'd love to know what they meant originally. --- Charlie (Colorado) 03:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in point of fact, I believe that phrasing originates with Tony Page who is a published author on this subject. So, I wouldn't agree that it doesn't make any sense. I don't have any strong opinion on whether this is the best wording we can come up with.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 03:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Mahayana Buddha"?

message: "Chinese Mahayanists often do not accept the Pali suttas as definitive when they conflict with the Mahayana sutras and consequently do not accept that Gautama Buddha, being a Boddhisattva Buddha, ever ate meat."
From my knowledge, Boddhisattva is different from Buddha, and hence, the merging of two terms seem to be an error. Furthermore, from my knowledge, Mahayana does accept that Buddha eat meat, though i am unable to cite any evidence for that. I did not edit the page due to my lack of reliable sources and supporting evidence. However, i hope that someone can clear this article up, thanks.
116.14.11.134 16:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Questions with the Term and information

message: I know we're few in number, but should a note about buddhist practitioners in the west be added, since a very high number of us are vegetarian?  This is english language wikipedia after all.  Rupa zero 15:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Majority of Buddhists in the West are immigrants from Asia. Very small number of Westerners convert to Chinese Buddhism, which is the only sect which explicitly endorse vegetarianism.
*Whoever wrote the above (dubious) comments, beginning, "the majority of Buddhists ...": would you please sign and date your posting here. Thanks! TonyMPNS 16:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Buddhists? 

message: The present structure of this article is very unsatisfactory. The first section, "Views of different schools", and the second one, "Eating meat versus killing", do not deal with different aspects of the topic. There is no real difference between their contents, so the structure looks arbitrary and is not helpful. There is no good reason to keep them as separate sections. Instead I suggest four sections for this article: The first one on the Buddha's own diet as seen by neutral historians, and the other three on Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana diet rules and teachings, respectively. 89.59.29.90 16:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of the article 

message: For a change, I came to a Wikipedia article as a consumer, rather than a producer.  I didn't get much.  This article is repetitive, insufficiently cited, and seems NPOV, and to have an axe to grind *against* vegetarianism.
I am not myself vegetarian, but was having a conversation with a friend who considers herself Buddhist, and asserts that Buddhism requires vegetarianism.
This article doesn't add as much to that discussion as I'd like to see. --Baylink 22:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV/Citations 

message: All Korean monks and nuns who observe the Vinaya, that is to say, all those monks who are not part of such sects as the Cheon Tae Jong, will have received their Bodhisattva vows as will which strictly forbids the consumption of meat and the five pungent vegetables. It is wrong to say that most eat meat when outside of their monasteries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmlee369 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean monks 

message: This section appears to present opinion as fact, specifically the phrase "Therefore, consumers who are following the Buddha's Dhamma will now be vegans."  This is not necessarily incorrect, but it is a matter of debate and its presentation in this section in my opinion contravenes the NPOV policy.  A rewording of the section may help it, but it is arguable that the section is culturally imperialist by giving undue influence to the views of Western Buddhist vegans (veganism being a practice that is almost exclusively undertaken in the West).  99.231.25.38 (talk) 01:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engaged Buddhism NPOV discussion 

message: This whole article has a lack of citations. I've marked some of them, but there's many more. Given the huge size of the Pali Canon, I don't think you can just say "in the Pali Canon..." and leave it at that. To be a proper citation, the sutra needs to referenced at the very least. In fact, you should be more specific, if possible, but the sutra at least. A lot of the Pali is on line, so a web reference might also be included. In particular, the oft mentioned time when Buddha refused to institute vegetarianism when asked to do so really needs to referenced as it's a key argument.Steve3742 (talk) 10:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in Book of the Discipline, Pali Text Society, vol V, chapter VII. Peter jackson (talk) 16:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Citations 

message: Someone posted this above incorrectly (so that comments could not be added). I'm reposting it here:
""According to a blog post at SuperVegan.com - http://supervegan.com/blog/entry.php?id=186 , Buddhist scriptures contain the following statements relating to vegetarianism:
from The Dedication of Merit—8th century
Let the animals be free from the fear of being devoured… 
Let the bodhisattvas' wishes for the well-being of the world become reality. May everything that these protectors intend be realized for all sentient beings… 
Let all the sufferings of the world come to an end in me… 
from Against Animal Sacrifice—Dated Between Year 964 to 1032
What need to destroy so many lives in quest of rich and exotic flavors? People gorge themselves from cup and tray to the music of reed pipe and song, as butchered animals scream on the chopping block. Alas! Could anyone with a human heart be so insensitive as this? That the whole world engages in this without realizing its error, surely this is [an] example of something so painful that one weeps endlessly with grief? 
When you know that the creatures on your tray come, struggling and squealing, from the chopping block, then you are making their extreme anguish your greatest delight. You would never be able to get them down, even if you tried to eat them. Is it not the height of insensitivity? 
It is not appropriate to take life in order to make one's living. In the quest for food and clothing, some people may take up hunting, others fishing, others the slaughtering of oxen, sheep, pigs, dogs in order to make food and clothing, all with the thought of obtaining a regular livelihood. And yet, I find that persons who do not engage in such professions still have clothing and still have food to eat. By no means are they fated to die of exposure or starvation. To make one's living by taking life is something that in principle is condemned by the gods...There is no more certain means than this when it comes to planting the seeds for rebirth in the hells and evil retribution in lives to come. How could you face such pain and not seek a different livelihood? 
I tell you people that, if you have no other means to make a living, it is far better to beg for your meals. To live by killing is no match for bearing your hunger and dying of starvation. How could you not restrain yourself? 
I pray that all will refrain from taking life, and that household after household will observe vegetarian fasts. The buddhas will be filled with joy, and the myriad gods and spirits will extend their protection to you. Armed conflict will for ever cease; punishments may never need be applied; the hells will be emptied; and people will for ever depart from the causes that produce the ocean of miseries. "
It could be integrated in the article, but this was not the proper way to do it. --67.68.29.55 17:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SuperVegan 

message: Under the section on Japanese Buddhism it says:
"The Shingon sect founded by Kūkai also does not prescribe a vegetarian diet for its monks."
However, I am a Shingon Buddhist nun and this is not accurate. 
During any religious observations, ceremonies and rituals, and whilst undertaking any form of religious training, Shingon Buddhist monks and nuns observe a strict vegetarian diet. Furthermore, there is a strong emphasis on vegetarian cuisine, shojin ryori, within Shingon temples, particularly in Koyasan, the monastic town founded by Kukai. However, the choice to maintain a vegetarian diet or not in everyday life is left up to the individual monk or nun. 
Reference: "Koyasan no Shojin Ryori" (The Buddhist Vegetarian Cuisine of Mt Koya) by Koyasan Shingonshu Sohonzan Kongobuji (Kongobuji, the Headquarters of the Koyasan Shingon Sect), published by Gakushu Kenkyusha, ISBN 10 405402775X, ISBN 13 978-4054027756
Catekodo (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for letting us know about this. I am unable to read this source in Japanese, but I will start looking into English sources and hopefully make changes if the original statement is incorrect. Tengu800 23:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I closed the request to clear the backlog.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 11 July 2012 

message: Since this article is about "Diet in Buddism" and differeing views on diet this should be renamed this. Thanks SH 16:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this article attracts the interest it was designed to attract.  Leave it as it is. MaynardClark (talk) 20:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Subject Name Should be Changed 

message: I couldn't find slugs listed as a prohibited food in the citation given. I didn't want to change it because maybe I missed it and I am not knowledgeable on the subject to know where to look next.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.50.115 (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slugs? 

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message: I suggest the lead sentence "Buddhist vegetarianism is the belief that following a vegetarian diet is implied in the Buddha's teaching." is adversarial and should be changed.  There are two levels of diet within all forms of Buddhism : monastic and layperson.  Most Buddhist monastics within the Mahayana tradition are Buddhist vegetarians (i.e. traditionally vegan with the exclusion of the pungent condiments) but most Mahayana laypersons are not; some Mahayana laypersons are full-time Buddhist vegetarian or part-time vegetarian depending on their level of commitment to a practice; among modern Japanese monastics the Meiji Restoration in 1873 allowed Buddhist priest to marry and eat meat (formerly only Pure Land school monks) - the actual way things work are more complex...)  Even Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhist monastics see vegetarianism as an ideal; and a minority of Tibetan monastics are indeed vegetarian.  This article's primary focus should be on how vegetarianism is practiced among those Buddhist who follow it and not on a battle between Theravada Monastic rules versus Mahayana Monastic rules.  Theravada monasticism is based on the three clean meats rule (tri-koti suddha mamsa) and the need to go for food alms.  Mahayana monasticism almost never go for food alms but rather traditionally grow their own food.  This is a major difference.  I think a subsection of the article should be reserved for the Theravada viewpoint and the Tibetan Vajrayana practice of meat-eating but it should not dominate the article.  Perhaps there should be another article called Three Pure Meats or some other name giving the Theravada viewpoint for their monastics; this rule does not however apply to the Theravada layperson.  Any suggestions/ opinions?Hanbud (talk) 20:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead sentence is adversarial --- Buddhist Vegetarianism is an accepted tradition within Mahayana Buddhism -- even Vajrayana Buddhism sees it as an ideal -- only major point of disagreement lies in monastic Theravada Buddhism 

message: the original troupe of monks held weekly "meat and greets" as in, carne and crying (the crying of the animals mourning their slaughtered companions). many of the original monks were in fact quite fond of eating squirrel, wolf, monkey as well as many birds. they were great tailors and would make tall hats out of the corpses of birds to challenge the trees for vertical dominance. it's well known that there were two festivals per year where each monk was challenged to wrap as many saplings in animal hide as possible. the monk with the most trees covered won the choice of eating a human or leaving the community with a bag of gold. most chose the human. this is well established knowledge deriving from the "barbed udder" veda. please add this to the article where appropriate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:12C1:4B2F:5D6:9780:75C5:E453 (talk) 02:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  the first monks and forest feeding