Talk:Paisley (design)

message: I don't feel that "Persian Pickle" is a common enough colloquialism for paisley to be featured so prominently. There's also no citation, the existing citation is to a fiction book called the "Persion Pickle Club"...  A2800276 (talk) 14:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian Pickles? 

message: Boteh, بوته I believe، is a Persian word meaning a bush or a bushy plant (Steingass Dictionary, also it gives Brushwood). It is incorrectly attributed to the Hindi Bota which means Flower.
Jegheh  جغه   is a crest with which a wrestler is decorated- (Steingass Dictionary- these are the smaller forms).
--Wool Bridge (talk) 13:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Boteh 

message: Paisley seems to be an umbrella term—I've seen some designs akin to paisley in style but different shapes/structures, not "twisted teardrop shaped". They are frequently just called henna or mehndi, which I think is just the medium, not the pattern. People seem to treat these three as synonyms, but their are so many varying styles that it's confusing. Can anyone help clear this up? Thanks, —L 72.74.189.65 (talk) 21:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Patterns Are Similar to Paisley? 

message: I'm trying to compact the repetitious captions of some of the pix:
* Persian Silk Brocade. Persian Textile (The Golden Yarns of Zari - Brocade). Silk Brocade with Golden Thread (Golabetoon). Paisley Left and Right (Bote Jeghe). (Persian Paisley)
* Persian Silk Brocade. Persian Textile (The Golden Yarns of Zari - Brocade). Paisley Right-Leaning (Bote Jeghe). (Persian Paisley)
* Persian Silk Brocade. Persian Textile (The Golden Yarns of Zari - Brocade). Silk Brocade with Golden and Silver Thread (Golabetoon).  Paisley Left and Right(Bote Jeghe). (Persian Paisley)''
Is "The Golden Yarns of Zari" a book title or what? —Tamfang (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Golden Yarns of Zari 

message: added this category but it's not directly verifiable from the article. The current text perhaps hints at it—one could make an educated guess, but that would be WP:OR. Particularly since the term can carry negative connotation, it's better to wait until we have some scholarly cites for the designation before categorising as such.—Aquegg (talk) 05:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural appropriation 

message: Couldn't find any discussion on this elsewhere... so please move this if it's in the wrong place...
The actual patterns shown in the photographs on the Buta page look a lot more like the traditional patterns commonly printed and sold as paisley (particularly kerchiefs).  The main difference appears so be in the proportionate size of the feathering and the overall visibility of the solid lines forming the shape of the teardrop.  Buta, and most traditional paisley I've seen (search your favourite online marketplace for Paisley Bandana) has a visible line marking the teardrop, and feathering that is not more than about 20 % of the overall width of the design.  Both elements tend to be on the same background.
This is of course based on my own experience of what's called traditional Paisely in the UK.  But I'd say the pic on the Buta page is more recognisable as traditional Paisley than the images shown on the Paisley page (expect the stamp).
??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicawi (talk • contribs) 13:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of Paisley (design) and Buta (ornament) 

message: Has anyone else noticed the resemblance between the paisley teardrop and patterns seen in fractals such as the Mandelbrot set? -- Markshale (talk) 14:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paisley and fractals 

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message: *Paisley is a Western, essentially English, term for Western designs adapting Asian motifs.  Unfortunately all the current images show the Asian precursor versions, which should of course be covered, but are not actually Paisleys. Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: this article seems more like iranian/persian propaganda article than anything else, i suggest make a separate article about native iranian/persian motif so these people can spare this article, seem to be operating tag team to vandalise every article. Rameezraja001 (talk) 13:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We used to have Buta (ornament) but this was merged here in 2016, with next to no discussion (see above). This was probably a mistake. Can we agree to demerge back to the last version, and start from there? Johnbod (talk) 13:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you want to rewrite Buta, then my answer is yes. Because the last revision of that article looks like a blog post, especially with all of those non-English citations. If Buta is just the Persian style of Paisley, then it needs a separate article and Paisley should covers all versions, e.g. removing Persian buta and a NPOV version. Last revision before merging. --Wario-Man (talk) 14:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly - Buta is the single motif, and paisley a Indian-influenced Western pattern using lots of them crammed up together, at different sizes & orientations, which the Persians didn't do. So the two are best kept apart. Johnbod (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

text: I'd be content with that de-merge if the new Buta (ornament) looks sensible. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well (14 months later), I have gone ahead and done the de-merge. That article should really be at boteh, imo, the Persian form & normal in WP:RS. Johnbod (talk) 00:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge reconsidered

message: Hi, so before I found out (yesterday) that this particular pattern is called "paisley" (or that it indeed, even had a name at all) I've always known this as "that fractal-y hippie pattern"
There is no information about its use or associations in the 1960's counter-culture movement however.
I did find https://hippie.wikia.org/wiki/Paisley which talks about just this (is it a valid source?) anyway, learning about that specific thing is why I came to the wp article in the first place - it was interesting to learn of its Persian/Indian origin, but I was explicitly looking for information on the 1960's counter-culture association.  ~🐈🐈~♪~何? 08:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Wikia.org is never an acceptable source, because it is a self-published source, like Wikipedia. See the Fandom section at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Vexations (talk) 11:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes fine, I wasn't actually expecting wikia to be an acceptable source, but what about the 1960's counter-culture association that this design has? I know not much about this, nor am I an experienced wikipedia *editor* (I mostly gnome) so I wouldn't know where to start.  ~🐈🐈~♪~何? 12:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

text: I've moved that whole para into the lead, as it isn't bandana-specific. Johnbod (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hippie" pattern relations 

message: This my edition for origin section of this article.👇🏻
There is evidence to suggest that cypress had symbolic significanc in pre-Islamic Iran And paisley is a continuation of the same concept of cypress.https://iranicaonline.org/articles/cypress-sarv-cupressus-tourn Especially because the concept of cypress continued in classical Persian literature. Cypress is a symbol of individual freedom and independence in classical Persian literature.https://ganjoor.net/saadi/golestan/gbab8/sh107 Also, paisley is called "بته جقه"(bote jeghe) in Persian, which "بته"(bote) or "بوته"(bute) means bush(and "جقه"(jeghe) means feather). 
According to a Zoroastrian tradition recorded by the Zoroastrian poet Daqīqī(Šāh-­nāma, Moscow, VI, pp. 68-71)a sapling of the “noble cypress” (sarv-e āzāda) was brought from paradise by Zoroaster to the Kayanid king Goštāsp, who planted it, as a memorial to his conversion to Zoroastrianism, near the first fire templein Kašmar/Kāšmar in Khorasan. According to the Nozhat alqolūbp. 143(Written in the fourteenth century) ,the Kāšmar cypress was planted by Jāmāsp, Zoroaster’s son-in-law and Goštāsp’s minister.https://iranicaonline.org/articles/cypress-sarv-cupressus-tourn
Islamic sources show that the Iranians also considered a tree in Kashmar sacred after the Arab invasion and considered it the tree of Zoroaster. The Kashmir tree was later cut down by Al-Mutawakkil, the Abbasid caliph, and the wood was taken to Baghdad. This tree was 1400 years old when it was cut down. 
But my edition was reverted. However it is more accurate and complete than what is now!
What's it's problem? Histo.beh (talk) 14:07, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting syndrome 

message: The section about paisley and bandanas and US history seems to be a generalized recasting of facts around the bandana, but there is not specific evidence of paisley bandanas in that period. it seems to be a synthesis of "many bandanas have paisley patterns" and "bandanas were common in US history." The specific combination does not seem to exist.
So the section about that topic is probably wrong to make that connection to paisley, and as a result is really only about banadanas, not specifically paisley ones, and thus would fit better in the article for Bandana. 73.193.118.20 (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paisley bandanas and American history 

message: Or are there different paisleys/paisley pattern designs? If so does each unique pattern designs have a different name? I have tons of different patterns that are all mostly paisley but differently designed patterns.how do I find out what each unique name is for each different design pattern?or is it all just simply paisley, no matter the uniqueness of them being paisley pattern but a small bit different. I'm aware there are different prints, like cowprint,polkadot,camo, etc. But I'm wondering about the paisley patterns that are paisley but they're not the same as the other paisley. Jaylovetripp (talk) 10:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally they are all just paisley. Johnbod (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there other pattern designs other than paisley?