Talk:Persecution of black people in Nazi Germany

message: The author of this article has permission confirmed with OTRS to post material copied from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum under OTRS ticket #2007071910012533. -- But|seriously|folks  22:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See below; permission is not confirmed in that ticket. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: OTRS permission?

message: would anybody object if I renamed this article to the more encyclopedic Black people in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust? "History of" adds nothing (obviously it is historical by its very nature), and "Blacks" is not the most encyclopedic term to use when talking about an entire race of people. If there are no objections here, I will make the move next week.--Jackyd101 (talk) 17:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is hardly anything encyclopedic about this article, really.  Hakluyt bean (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I demand references for the information in this article stated, to my see, this article is not impartial at all. Nazis din't kill any black people as i know.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.242.115.231 (talk) 12:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: In the article “Nazism”, I am not sure about what is listed in the article as “exclusionary treatment”, but treatment of Jehovah’s Witness and Homosexuals falls closer to treatment of Jews and Romani. All the above were subject to being placed into concentration camps, while according to this Wikipedia article “Blacks in Nazi Germany”, treatment to Blacks were not nearly as bad nor were they subject to being placed in concentration camps. Possibly more appropriate (in the “Nazism" article) would be to move JW and Romani into the former group, leaving Blacks in the “exclusionary treatment” group. Either way, there is a certain amount of inconsistency between the “Nazism” article and the “Blacks in Nazi Germany” article. I was going to place this posting in the “Nazism” article, but was deterred when I saw the amount of material on the respective Talk page, which is several pages long and needs to be edited in some form or fashion for clarity.([User talk: retrograde62] 12:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Inconsistency

message: This article was listed for copyright investigation at the copyright problems board on 2 October 2011. The problem is that the OTRS ticket referenced above actually does not confirm that he has permission to post material copied from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. He only confirms that he works for the museum. He does not mention authorization to license content at all. I have delayed blanking this for weeks as I have written to first the contributor and then the museum (under two different addresses) to try to confirm that he was authorized to license their text. I have now put in a phone call to them and hoping to get a response, but since they have replied to none of my prior efforts to verify, I have some concerns that they may not be any more forthcoming over the phone. Since they have not confirmed license in the past weeks, the content is currently removed (seemed preferable to using the "copyvio" template, since it is one section, although we can do that if others prefer) pending verification of permission. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problem

message: It occurs to me that there are two topics which could be included in this page, either in full, or by including an outline and a link to other articles:
* Black sportspeople: The famous 1936 Summer Olympics (with Jesse Owens), and other occasions when black competitors from other nations visited Germany
* Black diplomats and Germany's relation with their countries
If you can find sources, please consider adding such content. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:02, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestions.  I'm not really up on Jesse Owens's experience, beyond the standard history.  I do know that black diplomats were treated well, in service of Hitler's ultimate goal of restoring Germany as an African colonial power, but the sources I've read only really mention this as an aside rather than discussing it directly.  Anyone seen anything that treats this directly?  Laura Scudder | talk 03:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested additions 

message: The example of Poles is very good in comparison to the situation of Blacks in Nazi Germany, who at the time were very few. Poles (as Slavs) were considered the "inferior race", usually referred to as "subhumans", "masses from the East" and "the scum of the earth". Hitler used these words mainly to describe Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, Poles, Serbs, Belarusians along with most of other Slavs, mixed-race people, and all other persons of color with some very small exceptions. 
If you are interested in this topic, you can check the "ladder of races" or the "racial pyramid" and see how the Nazis perceived different ethnic groups: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany#The_.22Pyramid_of_Races.22_according_to_the_Nazis_during_the_World_War_II    
Not only the Jews, but also the Poles were the subject of mass-extermination, the numbers say it all: 6 million Jews died during the War. Those Jews were from ALL ACROSS EUROPE. Ethnic Poles however, were only one small nation. Over 2.5 million ethnic Poles died during the World War II in overall: 1.9 million Polish unarmed men, women, and children were exterminated in the German death camps and slave-labor camps, while the remaining 0.6 up to 0.8 million died of hunger, and during the defensive fights against the Nazis. Yatzhek (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: More lies, even more blatant than the rubbish in the article. --105.3.241.70 (talk) 23:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazis seen Poles as the "inferior race" too, even lower in the "racial hierarchy" than Blacks. 

message: Okay, so the article has been renamed, but is it really about what the title says. The tone of the article is more like "Lack of persecution of black people in Nazi Germany." Note in particular the opportunities the article describes for service in the military. It seems that people of African descent were more highly regarded in the Wehrmacht than in the Allied forces. Is there a title more objective per NPOV. That's not to excuse any nefarious behavior in the Nazi state but simply an inquiry on whether another title would come closer to the actual situation. Rammer (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Title still needs attention

message: The term 'extermination' literally means 'to place outside one's border', that is, a person may be exterminated without being killed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.108.80 (talk) 22:40, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extermination 

message: I removed this image because it is not of a Black person in or from Germany, and does not depict the persecution of Black people in Nazi Germany. It does not even directly relate to the subtopic it was under (Afro-Germans in the armed forces) but rather a tangent from that: Black people from outside of Germany who served in the Wehrmacht as foreign auxiliaries. It belongs in a different article. As a staged propaganda photo of a happy laughing Black soldier without adequate context, it presents an extremely misleading impression of the actual service experience of Afro-Germans in the Wehrmacht, which was quite miserable according to the sources (Lusane notes that one, Peter K., was forcibly sterilized before being drafted). Famisht (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed off-topic Free Arabian Legion image 

message: reference [8] is an incorrect citation. it says mein kampf vol 1 chapter xiii, which doesn't exist. it should be vol 2 chapter xiii. Valleybish (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect reference