Talk:Time in Australia

message: The table: "Time in Oceania" has serious errors in it. Those errors cause numerous of its wikilinks to show up as red - invalid links. For example, look at the one for Fiji. I do not know how to, and I haven't been able to figure out how to, correct the glaring errors that are in such tables. Would someone please carry out these corrections?
Oceana also includes the Philippines, Ceylon, part of Malaysia, Brunei, Ocean Island, the Andaman Islands, the Nicobar Islands, the Seychelles, the Volcano Islands (belonging to Japan) and Palmyra Atoll, a permanent  dependency of the United States.
On the other hand, Hawaii is neither a dependency nor a territory of any country, but rather it is an integral part of the United States (since 1959). 
There are two different Christmas Islands in two different oceans.
98.81.12.114 (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The table: "Time in Oceania" - serious errors

message: A good start on the daylight savings stuff, User:Chuq. Here are a couple of helpful pages of further info I found while researching the Australian Time Zones, but I haven't gotten around to digesting them yet:    --Russell E 13:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Daylight savings time

message: I have seen this alternate time zone proposal somewhere before - on TV about 10 years ago, I'm sure -  but I can't remember where from - does anyone recognise it?
Changes involve:
*A vertical line just west of Adelaide. West of the line is +8, east of the line is +10.
*A horizontal line just north of the Sunshine Coast. North of the line has no DLS, south of the line does.
* DLS changeover date is the same as what Tasmania has now.
Pros:
* Two zones normally, four zones over summer
* Adelaide, Melbourne, Hobart, Canberra, Sydney and Brisbane are in the same zone all the time.
* Perth is always the same time difference (2 hours) behind the south-east.
* No Queenslanders urban/rural DLS division. (or very little)
* No Tweed Heads/Gold Coast confusion.
* No half-hour time zones.
Cons:
* Some states and territories split in half.
-- Chuq 00:28, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's related to the "zonal system" mentioned in this article? --Russell E 01:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate proposal 

message: In what year was daylight introduce in Australia ? I haven't been able to find this information (yet).
: Here  ya go, knock yourself out. We should try to add all the relevant info to the article, because all that great info from the NSC leaflets appears on the verge of falling off the internet (see also the external link in the article... both are linked via archive.org, no sign of those leaflets on the current incarnation of the site)--Russell E 18:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had daylight for quite a while.  Ever since the continent was formed, in fact.  But only during the day time.  :)  rst 12:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In what year was daylight introduce? 

message: Have replaced the few references to the grammatically incorrect Daylight Savings with Daylight saving --Jabberwalkee 16:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's gramatically incorrect about "Daylight Savings Time"?  It's just as correct grammar, and it appears to be more widespread.  If you can show evidence that "Daylight Saving Time" is the correct terminology in Australia, please do.  Otherwise I think this change should be reverted. Groogle (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

text: OK, found it.  It's officially Daylight Saving Time.  That doesn't make the alternative gramatically incorrect, though. Groogle (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saving(s) time 

message: Interestingly, the federal government could probably legislate for time in the states and override the states' legislations, given that section 51(xv) of the constitution gives parliament "power to make laws ... with respect to ... Weights and measures".  I haven't heard of that mooted anywhere, and federal governments have kept out of the daylight saving arguments, but it may be worth mentioning in the article. rst 23:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal powers and the constitution 

message: :I have moved the following from the Daylight saving time around the world article because of excessive length. I placed it here rather than trying to integrate it into the text of the article itself. It has sources, but be aware that the contributor (User talk:Catsanos C) has been cited for vandalism on other Wiki sites, and that he has a tendency to "forget" to added all the reference tags, which tends to blank out large sections of the article. Thanks. - BillCJ 22:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved Section

message: Are Australian timezones GMT based or UTC based?  The terms seem to be used interchangeably here, but they are not.  --HiLo48 (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that an important distinction? I doubt if there's as much as one second difference between those times. My understanding is that UTC is (effectively) the new international name for Greenwich Mean Time. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  GMT or UTC 

message: Is it just me, or does this page not clearly state what AEST actually is? Is it +8, +9.3 or +10? AEST redirects here and it mentioned AEST and EST, and East is obviously +10, but the fact that the page doesn't state what AEST is in terms of time is sort of bad form considering it is Australias standard time in the context of the entire world. I would add it myself, but I am not exactly sure that AEST is +10, so I do not want to add to the confusion HiLo48 (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: AEST

message: The time zone map of Australia during summer time needs to be reverted back to the old one created in 2005, since Western  Australia no longer observes the practice of daylight saving.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris SSIE1 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  TIME ZONE MAP SUMMER TIME 

message: I'm concerned about the statement "Queensland and the Northern Territory have not adopted daylight saving because the seasonal differences in daylight become less pronounced as one moves closer to the equator." They don't have it because their politicians have decided to not implement it. We don't actually know why not. Chances are, the real reason is because of where they think critical votes lie. HiLo48 (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE REAL REASON WHY? 

message: There is a problem with this page. No text after the "Moved Section" section is being displayed. Re-saving it all to see if it reappears. HiLo48 (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, I think I confused SineBot. My earlier re-saving didn't fix the problem, but I found the real culprit, a missing /ref tag in the "Moved Section" section. It's there now and everything seems OK HiLo48 (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Display Problem 

message: The "24 hour clock" page says:
:"The 12-hour clock is, however, still dominant in a handful of countries,[1] particularly in Australia, Canada (except Quebec), the Philippines and the United States"
But "Time in Australia" makes no mention of 12 vs 24 hour times. Should be included surely? I will if I have time. Anyone else can of course! Part of the the 'reference' used is the "Common Locale Data Repository", and "Date and time notation by country-Australia" basicallly Wikipedia articles, which is not very helpful as those articles lack citations for the relevant sections! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  24 hour clock in Oz 

message: I deleted this section, as it added nothing to the article. The two-paragraph section can be summarized as follows: when someone does business with someone in a different time zone, they must be careful to complete the task on time. Well, duh.76.113.105.186 (talk) 02:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules relating to time 

message: In Revision of 15:29, 7 October 2009, Dacium changed the text to include Caiguna in the Central Western Time Zone.  This was not the case the last time I passed by, and Dacium has not given any reason for this change.  For documentary evidence to the contrary see .  On that occasion I was travelling west from Eucla to Norseman.  The photos of the sign were taken about 12 minutes before the photo in Caiguna, so it must be about 20 km east of Caiguna.  If anybody wants to revert this change, please provide evidence that the situation has changed. Groogle (talk) 02:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Caiguna is not in CWST

message: The term "Time Zone" is misused throughout; Time Zone is rightly governed by Standard (Winter) Time, and has nothing to do with Summer Time a.k.a. DST.  See Time Zone and Standard time, etc. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 20:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a time zone should be a region of land. We may also speak of a sort of "Time" observed in such a region, especially during a specific period of the year. Maybe Jimp can help me fix this language up. (I'm also making a disambig page at Eastern Time which links to Time in Australia.) --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe you think it should but it is not and it should not. your point of view is famous in USA (only). But officially the DST consists of adopting a new timezone during summer. (The "zone" is virtual, not geographical). And for history reasons many countries don't have the time of their geographical location. It can'ts be "geographical" it needs to be more virtual. You may look at a reference as http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179  (ex of New york) and you'll see the name of timezone changes with DST. It's not EST all year long but EST/EDT (s for standard and d for daylight in this one). I remind you that (even in USA) some cities does not observe DST (never) and all the countries in the world don't change at same date. So you have to say the actual time (including DST) so the rest of the World knows your actual time. It's the only purpose of saying a timezone offset afterall ! (becomes useless if you let them guess if they have to add or not something else for that region). Better to say "new york time, look for it yourself" otherwise. At least that will avoid misunderstanding.  DC2en (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Zone 

message: You gotta wade through a lot of text to find out where daylight saving time is in effect. Couldn't that be made a bit more prominent? Like:
*Only X and the Y's observe daylight saving time. It starts on T here and T2 there.
Just a suggestion. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The table in Time in Australia#Daylight saving time jumped out at me fairly quickly without my reading the preceding text first. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

text: The beginning of the aforementioned section points you to to a "main article" of Daylight saving time in Australia. I think what you seek is there. [PS: "falls back" sounds American to me, seemingly using the verb fall to match the season fall. That doesn't work in Australia. That season is simply called autumn.] HiLo48 (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Daylight savings

message: Proposal: merge Daylight saving time in Australia into Time in Australia: I can see the difference in scope between the two articles, and I'm not against DST articles per se. But the "Daylight saving time in Australia" article was created in a rush by User:TZ master during a period when s/he was adding as many DST articles as possible (before s/he was blocked for suspected sock puppetry).
That article is carelessly put together, has little to no introduction, and is just a copy of content that already existed in Time in Australia. At the moment it seems superfluous.
I wouldn't be opposed to improving the DST article. This would also involve some work on the Time in Australia article – removal of duplications, proper links to related articles, etc. - Responsible? (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth I think that the DST in Australia article should stay. It may not be perfect, but there's enough information on there that it would form a large portion of the Time in Australia page, giving it perhaps undue weight.Peregrine981 (talk) 20:56, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The section begins by saying "The choice to use DST or not is a matter for the governments of the individual states and territories." It then goes on to describe how they did make their own decisions. How can that happen? Is the first sentence wrong? Or did the states break the rules? HiLo48 (talk) 10:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I noticed that also. Reading several articles about daylight saving, I notice an emphasis on whose idea it was and so forth, but often not enough on when it begins and end in the current year. I daresay most readers just want to know when to change their clocks - or what time it will be when they Skype their friends and business associates. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "''Daylight saving time (DST)''" section doesn't make sense 

message: The Australian government sites, and the majority of Web clock sites, all seem to use AWST.  However, the IANA database abbreviation is WST.  Does anyone have any info on which is the "official" abbreviation. --AlastairIrvine (talk) 07:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  WST 

message: JBT is missing from the table of States and Territories (and the whole page, actually). youcantryreachingme (talk) 02:06, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jervis Bay Territory 

message: The article says "Attempts to correct these oddities in 1986 and 1994 were rejected.". Does anyone have a reference for them? 
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-time-zone-change-the-politics-behind-the-push/news-story/8feeb941956d3ef4b5622463d1d3f27d talks about a "a narrowly defeated push in 1986 to split SA into two time zones," so presumably a referendum of some sort.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/referendums-throughout-sas-history/news-story/db9fc8c75e13808e626ff143235cff60 also mentions a 1986 vote on extending daylight savings.
The exact wording i quoted above appears in http://assets.yoursay.sa.gov.au/static/timezones/HILL%20Tony.pdf which gives more information on /why/ it was done in the first place but doesn't cite any references either.
I assume it is not http://dspace.flinders.edu.au/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2328/21994/0011986.pdf?sequence=1 as that was accented.
I've search around but come up dry so hoping someone has more info.
kgoetz (talk) 11:33, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Australias attempts to 'correct' GMT+10.30 

message: The colouring and positioning of text do not make it clear what time it is in NT.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.103.159 (talk) 13:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem may be related to the device you are using. It seems fine on my PC. HiLo48 (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Time offsets during standard time map

message: Victoria and NSW used to differ in daylight savings periods by a couple of weeks, neither willing to budge. I'm fairly certain it was Joan Kirner who immediately put a stop to that madness, moving Victoria's period to match NSW within hours of days of becoming premier. It would be good to add that to the history section, but I can't find any reference to it.
Mahemoff (talk) 23:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria moving to NSW daylight savings time 

message: Reading this article, it says that some WA towns follow ACST. Can someone update this? While I would usually do this myself, I don't know where to add it. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 07:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  WA towns following ACST 

message: What does it mean that Australia is divided into three Zones 160.226.241.229 (talk) 16:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's primarily what the article is telling you about. Which part of that statement is confusing you? HiLo48 (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does it mean that Australia is divided into three Zones