Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league/Archive 5

message: This project has too many talk pages. I don't know where I should go. There really only needs to be this one I think.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean?  The Windler  talk  09:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk pages galore 

message: Has anyone seen 100 Years of Australian Rugby League by Alan Whiticker & Ian Collis? I'm tempted to order it/them anyway, but curious if anyone has seen it/them to give an opinion. •Florrie•leave a note• 05:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  100 Years of Rugby League - Whiticker and Collis 

message: Hi,
Just thought you would like to know "Football (soccer)" is now referred to as "Association football". Consensus reached on Talk:Association football. 
InsteadOf (talk) 10:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And this affects a WikiProject about rugby league, Why?  SpecialWindler  talk  10:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football (soccer) to Association football 

message: Letting you people know that 58.108.247.167 has recently changed many rugby league players, to have the category :Category:German Australians in the category. I'm busy at the moment, but just letting people know. They could be german, but I doubt it.  SpecialWindler  talk  01:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, saw and reverted a few of those. And they have the same players listed at Rugby league in Germany as Famous German Rugby League Players! All this German Australian, Greek Australian, whatever Australian seems very trite to me unless the player identifies with a particular heritage in order to play international league. I left a note on the talk page over there as well as on the isp's talk page. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: I put up a speedy on Mark Offerdahl yesterday but it was declined. The reason given was that the article is about a 'professional athlete' and if he plays for an NRL club he must be notable. Unfortunately the article was misleading, saying he plays for Manly but he hasn't yet played one first-grade game despite being on the available player list for two years. The admin who declined feels that non-notablity isn't obvious and has referred the article to AfD where it has to sit for five days and can be contested. If this article is contested and succeeds, it means every Jersey Flegg/Toyota Cup non-first-grade player can have their own article and contest any speedy. Personally, I think there is more than enough to do getting first-grade player articles up to scratch.
I'd really like to get some proper guidelines for notability (in all countries) drawn up so that we can at least refer admins to that in future. If no-one objects, I'll write up a draft and put it up for additions/comments/tweaking at the weekend on a project discussion page. •Florrie•leave a note• 09:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, if no-one is concerned, I won't waste my time. •Florrie•leave a note• 22:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for being rude, but I don't object. A prod was put on lower grade Broncos player Rodney Davies And I agree.  SpecialWindler  talk   —Preceding comment was added at 23:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies for the bad mood, Joel. •Florrie•leave a note• 04:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Support the idea of a draft criteria and value your work hugely. You may want to wait till the outcome of the Mark Offerdahl thing (will there be a concluded outcome ?) as it seems like the AfD discussion has generated a fair bit of dialogue. -Sticks66 (talk) 03:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mark Offerdahl, Rodney Davies et al are all hugely notable, don't you know? ;) But yes, you are right, best wait and see. No point wasting more breath. I think an AfD is open for five days before a decision is made. •Florrie•leave a note• 04:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for deletion & notability 

message: Some of them have already moved inline with the soccer templates to basically become automatically collapsible. The Super Leagues are currently set open and at a set width. Wondering if there was a interest in creating a standard. I haven't included NRL in this as the current NRL one is set to full width, full names and obviously doesn't carry squad no's.Londo06 18:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After looking through some Brisbane player pages the navbox question could also be opened up for NRL naboxes, ie fix width to sports standard and have surnames only. Just putting it out there.Londo06 09:29, 02 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super League team navboxes 

message: There is a discussion here about this template.Londo06 10:27, 02 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox rugby league biography]] 

message: Just a notice to everyone interested that I have nominated List of Melbourne Storm players to be promoted to featured list status. mdmanser (talk) 06:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Melbourne Storm players - FLC 

message: Some fool is adding "Fire Up Bitch Man" and various other versions to Mark Gasnier's infobox for nicknames. Anyone care to revert? I've already done it twice, don't want to get into 3RR. Unless Gaz actually answers to it. I hope he'd rather forget it ever happened. Bit offensive in the context it was used, regardless of Roy and HG. •Florrie•leave a note• 08:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 3RR dosen't apply to vandalism. Which it obviousoly vandalism.  SpecialWindler  talk  09:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. Thought it might sneak past on not-vandalism given Roy and HG's refs. •Florrie•leave a note• 11:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Gasnier 

message: Please read/add to discussion here.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Rugby League (only) records 

message: Just a notice to everyone interested that I have nominated List of Melbourne Storm players to be promoted to featured list status. mdmanser (talk) 06:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Melbourne Storm players - FLC 

message: Please read/add to discussion here.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Rugby League (only) records 

message: Some fool is adding "Fire Up Bitch Man" and various other versions to Mark Gasnier's infobox for nicknames. Anyone care to revert? I've already done it twice, don't want to get into 3RR. Unless Gaz actually answers to it. I hope he'd rather forget it ever happened. Bit offensive in the context it was used, regardless of Roy and HG. •Florrie•leave a note• 08:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 3RR dosen't apply to vandalism. Which it obviousoly vandalism.  SpecialWindler  talk  09:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. Thought it might sneak past on not-vandalism given Roy and HG's refs. •Florrie•leave a note• 11:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Gasnier 

message: There is a discussion here on the proposed name change of  the category.Londo06 11:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Rugby 

message: I'm currently going through and making them. I've made a new template (Template:Navbox rugby league squad) which can only be used, for the moment, for premiership-winning teams. Once I figure out how, I'll modify it so it can be used for international team squads and current team squads as I've noticed that they are both already featured around Wikipedia. So far, here is what we have, for example:
*Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league/Navboxes
I've also noticed that SpecialWindler has already made boxes for the six Broncos-winning teams - we'll somehow figure out how to integrate the two styles in due course. What do people think of the current ones? mdmanser (talk) 02:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed Skando is falling off the edge of the Tigers' infobox. How is that fixed? •Florrie•leave a note• 03:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure what you mean with Skandalis. How big is your browser window and what browser are you using just out of interest as well? mdmanser (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on my laptop, 1280 x 800 with Mozilla. I'll check shortly on my desk-top. That's a biggie. •Florrie•leave a note• 03:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The big screen didn't make any difference so I opened it in an IE tab (while chewing garlic). In IE, the first line breaks at Robbie Farah and Skando is the first name of the second line. In Mozilla, Skando is the last name on the first line and he spills over the box outline. The same applies for the Roosters (Adie falls off the edge) and the Panthers (where Joe falls off). •Florrie•leave a note• 03:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I've got the same problem. Looks like the names just aren't wrapping correctly. Bongomanrae (talk) 05:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: They should be in chronolgical order, I will soon nominate for speedy deletion of . But with  (below) should it become the same width etc. You cant use (Template:Navbox rugby league squad) for it because they have no numbers?  SpecialWindler  talk  08:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my two cents: I don't see any need for images like those. Not a fan. Good work on all those boxes though guys.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It's mainly the players and coaches on the template: nothing more.  SpecialWindler  talk  07:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I thought the rule with navboxes like this is that they only appear on pages that they contain links to. That's to say, whenever you see the navbox in an article, some link contained in it should be black (unlinkable), i.e. the link for the article being viewd.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Brilliant. Do the other in between tournament squads still need doing and if not where does one locate them ? -Sticks66 02:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah they certainly do - I found the names for 1957 from the Hunterlink website (see main project page for link). At this stage we should make the boxes for the world cup champions a priority, with other teams put on hold just for now. mdmanser (talk) 10:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navboxes for Teams 

message: This Sat 23Feb the ARL will announce it's list of Australia's 100 greatest players of 100 years. I've created some copy below that can be inserted in the appropriate place on each player's article (under "Accolades" or "Life after football" if article has this section). There is a link to the NRL web page which exists now but which will be populated on Sat and I'll put the hundred names in Articles Requested on the Project Page so they can be ticked off if anyone wants to help. -Sticks66 02:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the To Be Done List Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league/Requested articles#100 Greatest Aust Players of 100 Year -Sticks66
Surely it doesn't need its own article. A sub-section of the (already barren-looking) ARL article would be fine.--Jeff79 (talk) 10:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think that link provides the actual top 100 players of all time. Surely there aren't 30+ players from Eastern Suburbs alone from on that list... I think we should wait until Saturday before adding ANY information to player pages regarding this matter. mdmanser (talk) 10:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm not proposing an article. This is just a To Do List. I'm proposing the fact of the player's inclusion on the list be one sentence within his existing article. And of course I'm proposing it be a list to highlight notable past players who don't have articles.  Happy to wait till Sat, but some of the players were listed in today's Telegraph (all 36 of the existing Hall of Famers; the five Raiders I've listed; Lockyer plus the 7 "obscure" players that I've listed at positions 51-57 that were the subject of today's article). Anyway I don't want to be accused of Cyrstal Balling so will wait till Saturday. -Sticks66 11:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Added article List of Australian rugby league's 100 greatest players. Useful tool as a to-do list as it is in alphabetical order. Could be worked into a Wikiproject Rugby league page rather than an article. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 13:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A to-do list exists here, as Sticks mentioned above. To be updated once the official list comes out tomorrow. •Florrie•leave a note• 14:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Seems a good idea considering their importance in the history of the game. I too am shamed to say I have not heard of many of them. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 08:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  100 Australian Greatest of 100 Years 

message: Per discussion at Talk:Rugby League's 100 Greatest Players, I have added the discussion here. I believe the article name warrants a discussion. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 08:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name: Rugby League's 100 Greatest Players 

message: Added this article in its limited form, needs a major overhaul to bring it up to standard. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 09:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Australian Schoolboys]] 

message: Category:Rugby has been changed to Category:Rugby football but I think that some further realignment of the "rugby" categories is still required.
A discussion regarding the future of this category has just started at Category talk:Rugby football. Those with an opinion please follow the link and contribute.GordyB (talk) 11:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Rugby football 

message: Nominated a couple of articles here. Henry Paul and Clive Churchill seemed articles that were worthy or warranted a fair bit of attention. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already bookmarked Clive Churchill for some attention (ie, getting it back to a genuine 'start' class) but if anyone wants to have a bash at it before next weekend, please do! Apparently (going by the history) the bulk of the article was deleted in September as it was a direct lift from RL1908. •Florrie•leave a note• 14:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added my support for Henry Paul but I'm afraid I don't really know much about Clive Churchill, not even knowing who he was until hearing his name in the NRL Grand Final a few years back, so I can't really add much about him to be honest.Londo06 08:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles nominated for the improvement drive 

message: Has anyone heard if the NRL Stats site is being re-vamped? I can't access it from any links today and I have since found this reference on  the Stats page at NRL.com. Take a look at the best bits of the soon-to-be-released NRL.com Stats: The site could certainly do with a re-vamp, but I hope all the existing external links on various player articles remain the same! •Florrie•leave a note• 05:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always try http://archive.org (which archives most sites).  SpecialWindler  talk  05:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try the detailed stats page at http://203.166.101.37/NRL07/index.html . mdmanser (talk) 10:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NRL Stats