Talk:Evil twin

message: The appearances section needs expanding most; there are lots and lots of uses (Superman, Star Trek, Hercules, Xena) but I don't have adequate references for any of them. I'd also like to know if we can find any definite place of origin for the evil twin, at least the modern stereotype. --82.92.184.196 12:25, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Uses for Hercules

message: Another that ought to be here is Dahlia Hawthorne from the game Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbuehling (talk • contribs) 05:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trials and Tribulations of Dahlia Hawthorne

message: Should their be any mention on this page of examples of decidedly evil characters in fiction having characters who greatly resemble themselves physically, but are not nessicarily portrayed as evil, or even antagonistic? (such as Kagewaki Hitomi from Inuyasha.) 66.24.229.233 22:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see neither any mention of William Wilson, where the doppelgänger was the moral conscience of the character. However I have found it in "Doppelgänger". --80.88.167.6 (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: A good example of that might be Zeniba from Spirited Away who, despite her menacing initial appearance against Haku, is actually Yubaba's good twin. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antagonist having a "good" twin 

message: The article mentions Tom Riker of Star Trekas an evil Twin of Will Riker, but Tom Riker isn't really *evil* so much.  I mean, he's a bit darker and more conflicted than Will, but he's still trying to be the good guy (even when he joins the Maquis).  Traegorn 15:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, some normal Twins (like Ursula and Pheobe of Mad About You and Friends respectively - who were actually just two different, independent characters played by the same actress who were later made twins by the two shows writers) are mislabeled as "Evil Twins" when, frankly, neither twin is "Evil" Traegorn 16:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ursula did some evil things- didn't she know who their real mother was and she "never bothered" to tell Pheobe? I wouldn't call Tom Riker evil, but Ursula was the evil twin- even if she didn't twirl her moustache and plan global domination. --TheTruthiness 00:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mislabeling Twins as Evil 

message: This whole section seems quite excessive, in addition to being uncited.  I think that the whole list should be pruned back to just a handfull.  Any objections?Chunky Rice 22:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Prune away. This list is chock full of OR and uncited opinion. Doczilla 00:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree (obviously).  Unless the criteria is purely factual, OR/POV issues are inevitable without citation to a reliable source.  Those examples in the Foil article are also OR/POV and should probably be removed unless cited.Chunky Rice 02:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: Are there any documented real life instances of twins having a different enough sense of morality, or different enough morals, to the point of fitting the good twin/evil twin archetype? --87.19.32.136 18:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have a problem with the statement in the article: "Though examples of truly evil, biological twins exist..." because anyone with a drop of common sense knows that real people can never be "truly good", much less "truly evil". That hogwash only exists in Hollywood movies (good guy vs. bad guy). Show me a truly evil person, just one. One single person who never showed a single shred of goodness towards anyone. Even the basest serial killer once picked up some other little boy's dropped pencil for him. Or gave directions to a lost couple for getting back to their hotel safely. It's stupid, it's uncited, it's logical to assume it will never be cited, and I'm removing it. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 21:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is this rather brilliant news story:  MultipleTom (talk) 21:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fun and fascinating, but two bones to pick: 1) Nothing in this story points to the guy being evil. Committing a crime does not automatically make you evil, even if it involved beating someone up badly. 2) Both twins committed a crime in pulling the old switcheroo, so they are both law-breakers. I imagine the ploy was to get the accused twin out of jail so he could run away, and then the twin who took his place could go up to the guards and be like, "Look at me closely - I'm not the guy! Don't believe me? Check my fingerprints!" Half-baked idea, since aiding escape carries a similar sentence to aggravated assault as far as I know... if not more... LOL, I guess IQ does run in families... Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real life examples? 

message: This article would greatly benefit from any verifiable source speaking to the first appearance of the evil twin.  Why, indeed, is it called "twin" when the earliest version I can thik of—Serena on Bewitched—wasn't a twin at all, but a cousin?  If we're going to have an "Origin" section, we need to try to actually find the origin of the term.  The mentions of Cain and Abel and doppelgangers are helpful, but they're a bit far off from the modern usage. CzechOut  ☎ | ✍ 07:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: I'd like to propose a separate page for the fictional evil twins to enable people to post as many as they want. Any thoughts? - IamMcLovin 09:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose.  Separation doesn't release editors from the burden to establish notability.  The list shouldn't be continued on another page, but rather combed for its most salient examples, which should then be included in the body of the article's text.  CzechOut  ☎ | ✍ 18:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Support.  Separation does not release editors from having to establish notability, but it does clean up an otherwise bloated page.  I say that the content of the Evil Twins in Fiction section should be entirely relocated to the Dopplegangers in Fiction page, and then editors can go over the list and remove the crap.  Brash (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: No.  Brash (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil Twins in Fiction 

message: Why is the biblical example Cain and Able who were not twins, rather than Jacob and Esau who were? May I add them? Basejumper2 01:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical example 

message: His mirror universe self may not have had a goatee, but Tulok, the character in the Doctor's holo-novel (who was an evil counterpart of sorts to Tuvok) did have a goatee.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.9.99 (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuvok 

message: I do not see any citation of this important German author. He influenced Poe, Gogol and Siegmund Freud. In his "Die Elixire des Teufels" (1815) he set an evil twin; in "Prinzessin Brambilla" (1820) we see a rare example of demented twin. 
By the way, the theme of the "double" is parodiated by Gogol in "The Nose".Anonimous, --80.88.167.6 (talk) 09:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ernst Theodor Amadeus Hoffmann]] 

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message: It really is redundant to have a huge list of evil twins in this article when there's an article List of fictional doppelgängers. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant list 

message: I removed the following text, since it is irrelevant to the Origins section, i.e., it has nothing to do with the origins of the term "evil twin":
— Loadmaster (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good cut. Dr.Who (talk) 01:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed ''Friends'' reference 

message: *Was Mozenrath supposed to be a Evil twin brother of Aladdin {Disney Cartoon Series?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.72.154 (talk) 12:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: eVIL tWIN{?}

message: The entire Comic books section is completely unneeded. Tons of more examples could be brought, bot none of the few listed here was a first or especially notable. This is another unneeded "in popular culture" section.
On the other hand, Jekyll & Hyde should definitely be mentioned as a literary example that remained in cultural memory.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.203.169.108 (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better examples 

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