Talk:Crossroads (Battlestar Galactica)

message: I trimmed the plot section down quite a bit, and incorporated some details from cut scenes available on the recently released DVDs.  I was rather shocked by Starbuck also appearing as an apparation, because Season 4 previews show her to be real, and that Starbuck would appear as Head Six does, with the sexy personality to boot.  I am assuming that cut scenes released on the DVDs are intended to be integral to the official plot, not part of some alternate plot line that the producers later rejected...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.249.248.247 (talk) 04:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The scene you mention was cut because it implied that Starbuck's return was a supernatural event, according to Ron Moore. It does not fit into the same continuity as the aired episode, and it obviously doesn't make sense if you consider it as such. I suggest it be removed from the Plot section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.60.47 (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot section trimmed

message: ... butterfingers.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BUTTERFINGERS!

message: Doing a little research and I see similar conclusions were made on Battlestar Wiki, during the opening arguments of Baltar's trial, Cassidy's tally of those killed on New Caprica during the Cylon occupation, "5,197", seems largely inaccurate, however confusion lies in what she is actually counting. It was stated that she counted only the civilian population of the fleet and not the military personnel. Her original count of 44,035 includes both the population on New Caprica City — which at the end of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II" is shown as 39,192 and would leave 4,835 living aboard the ships that remained in orbit. 
The count of 4,835 in orbit however, doesn't account for those who died when Cloud 9 exploded and the three ships it took out with it. In the episode "Precipice", Apollo mentions about 2,200 people fled New Caprica's orbit when the Cylons arrived which would indicate 2,635 were killed when Cloud 9 was destroyed. With 49,550 as the initial survivor count at the beginning of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", one can calculate how many really died. 49,550 - 39,192 - 4,835 = 2,592 which is closer number that actually died on New Caprica. However, it seems Cassidy is also counting those lost with Cloud 9 which would bring the total back to 5,227. Looks like she's holding Baltar accountable for those deaths as well - makes sense since he gave Gina the nuke form his Cylon Detector in that episode.
Further, Cassidy says 38,838 survived the New Caprica exodus. Given the survivor count in "Collaborators" of 41,435 (which counts both civilian and military personnel), and subtracting 38,838, the total killed on New Caprica would be 2,597. 
So, roughly 2,595 people actually died on New Caprica for various reasons, not 5,197. The resistance terrorist bombings, Cylon death squads, and whatever people on the surface and ships that were destroyed during the exodus. Cyberia23 03:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we know for a fact that the fleet knows it was Baltar who gave Gina the nuke? I think that sort of info would have been sufficient to convict him of something if not treason. Wl219 08:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm honestly surprised they didn't bring the nuke up in court. They gave him the nuke for his Cylon Detector and he had the device in his lab prior to giving it to Gina. Wouldn't have they noticed the nuke was missing??? I don't recall ever hearing that it was reported stolen. The only other conclusion I can draw was maybe they thought he used the entire nuke in his detector upon completion, but in reality he didn't use it at all (or just used part of it) and hid the rest of the device. Because they didn't bring that up I have no idea where Cassidy is getting the extra deaths from. If you count Cloud 9 her total makes sense. Otherwise she's off by like 2600 people. Cyberia23 22:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not that surprised.  The only people who would really have any knowledge of Baltar getting the nuke would be Galactica senior staff.  Adama even directly addresses it at the end of Lay Down Your Burdens II - He tells Baltar that they should do an investigation into how they stole the nuke, got it off Galactica, etc.  Baltar tells him that they won't be looking into it and will be moving forward instead.
Adama isn't Baltar's prosecutor.  He can't exactly be like "But wait!  He gave the nuke to the Cylons!"  Furthermore, no one even knows for sure that he gave the nuke to the Cylons (other than that one dude who was hanging out with Gina on Cloud 9 - the "Demand Peace" guy), or even that it was a Cylon who detonated the nuke.  And even had it been brought up, it would have gotten us to the same ending anyway - that have no hard, actual evidence of Baltar's guilt, and Adama isn't going to convict him without evidence after Lee's speech.
That was a ridiculously long digression, but I figured I'd give my reasoning as to why it wasn't brought up / would have been irrelevant if it was anyway.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.240.149 (talk) 04:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Actual New Caprica death toll?

message: Do you think we should call Apollo Mr Adama after his resignation in the episode synopsis, as he no longer holds military rank and call sign? Struds 02:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should stay with Apollo, call-sign - nickname - (same thing really). We've all come to know him by that name. It would just add to confusion with his father if he was called Adama. Cyberia23 04:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I forget what a law school grad is called before they take the bar exam. A pre-law? I'm not sure. But whatever it is, maybe that should be Lee's new title :) Cyberia23 21:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Law graduate". But remember, Lee's only legal education is his grandfather's books. He has no formal training. Wl219 08:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  The article on Juris Doctor suggests that the term Doctor would be appropriate for someone who has completed a post graduate law degree but is not a member of the bar.  I suppose the holder of an LL.B wuold be called a bachelor (of law).  A licensed attorney may also be called Doctor when on the stand as a witness (assuming he or she has a post-graduate law degree), as Lee Adama was in Part II.  But since it is not clear that Lee has either a law license or a law degree it is probably best to refer to him as "Counselor". Jason P Crowell 05:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Apollo, Mr Adama

message: Ckatz, prior to the inclusion of "Watchtower", it was reasonable to assume that the characters speak some language other than English, (Caprican?  Colonial Standard?) but that the stories are presented in English (by convention) for the convenience of an English-speaking audience.  With the characters hearing, reciting, and understanding lyrics from "All Along the Watchtower", a specific work written in English, this assumption fails.  Skyraider 17:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're presuming that the characters "heard" the lyrics in English. There was nothing to indicate that they were all "translating" a foreign language. (In fact, if that were the case, one of them would probably have commented on the strange words.) The choice of "Watchtower" is for the audience (and not the best approach, IMHO.) --Ckatzchatspy 17:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really liked Watchtower my self, anyway I don't believe we should speculate that they heard it in another language. Matthew 17:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe they understand English because they have a universal translator, or a babblefish in their ears! It's really a pointless to argue why the Cylons and Colonials speak English in the first place. It's called SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF and you cannot watch any sci-fi show or movie without it. Otherwise you'd be right and they should be speaking some obscure language which since they have that Greco-Roman thing going on then they should technically be speaking either a dialect of Latin or Greek and they wouldn't understand English. But apparently they understand it, so through suspension of disbelief you have to accept it and move on with the story. Cyberia23 19:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of "lyrics" text

message: After reviewing the part of the episode where Six and Baltar see the final five, I noticed that the lights where they were in Rapture were not five in number but six. Should this be mentioned? --Geracudd 18:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there were six tapestries which I found odd. If your counting the spaces between them is another matter. I think it's a hint that there is a 13th Cylon. One of the Final Five is supposed to be "God" or so Six claimed. I doubt any of the four that were revealed would be the Cylon God. IMO I think Baltar is still a Cylon and he's the last or maybe the 13th. Cyberia23 22:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tapestries, that was the word I was looking for. I'll review Rapture to see how many tapestries there were and where the Cylons were standing. --Geracudd 00:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  There were six tapestries and the Cylons were standing in between them. --Geracudd 13:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dream Sequence 

message: I was just thinking, wont Chief Tyrol and Cally's child also be a hybrid? like Sharon's and Helo's? and if so, wont Chief's child be more "important", as chief is one of the final 4 cylons and they seem to be more "important" than the other 8.
: His child is indeed a hybrid, though whether he is more important has yet to be seen. Also, there are five final Cylons, one is presumably not confirmed as of yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geracudd (talk • contribs) 15:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  k ty. this means that the the humans have both hybrids, Baltar and possibly the way to Earth. the Cylons are pretty much left with nothing to go on. sounds good for the humans :D
Ronald Moore has confirmed in his Q&A Podcast that the chief's son is a hybrid, but that the two hybrids' paths will be different. "Nikolas' story is differnt than Hera's but closely related, but yes Nickolas is a [hybrid] child." --208.49.176.211 16:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: cool, so do you think that they will show both of the children's paths in season 4? As season 4 could probably be the last season.
Chief's child is definitely NOT a hybrid - this is confirmed in season 4.  I wouldn't be surprised if RDM claimed otherwise in a podcast though - they didn't plan things too far in advance in the show, and he's been known to lie (or at least hide the truth) in podcasts before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.240.149 (talk) 04:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chief's Child

message: I have uploaded a new version of the image of Earth which appears at the end of the episode: . I feel this is necessary as it depicts the surface of the planet in greater detail, and in my own opinion appears to show a version of Earth which has no land structures or built up areas. It appears to be entirely forested in Florida for example. Perhaps this is an indication that it is a version of Earth from the past when there is not many people on it? – ARC GrittTALK 16:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the full size verison of this. It's not that easy to see human development from space. If it was night time you might see lights from cities. Mad031683 21:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earth Image 

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