Talk:John Peel

message: The page says "On two occasions on his radio show, Peel played albums in their entirety from start to finish..." I'm almost certain he played a Cocteau Twins album from start to finish in the early 80s. Anyone remember that? I don't know the name of the album, not being a fan of that band. Jaybee (talk) 22:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Going back over my tapes of the time, the first Cocteau tracks I have from Peel were from Head over Heels (Cocteau Twins album) in 1983, and I can believe Peely would have played that album in toto. Don't have a reliable source beyond my own memory, however. --Rodhullandemu 22:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums played in their entirety 

message: I have added a link to the Pirate Radio Hall of Fame which has two clickable links of airchecks by John Peel recorded off air in 1967 when he was with Wonderful Radio London. There is also an error entry of the Pirate Radio page which states that John Peel was with Radio Caroline instead of WRL. I will be correcting this error and linking it back to the John Peel page and the Radio London page. MPLX 18:54, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of a link to John Peel 1967 airchecks with brief bio 

message: Has anyone got a reference on the autobiography that was in the works? - David Gerard 22:04, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: how's this? --rbrwr± 22:54, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: this, too --rbrwr± 22:58, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography

message: I got known to John Peel from his shows "John Peels Music on BFBS" in Germany and I must say that I will really miss him. John Peel made us know Joy Division, New Order and The Cure in Germany and enjoy a lot of bands who had only a couple of hundreds demo records to send it to the radio stations. In the 1980ties, he cycled the way from his home in Ipswich to the studio in London. I will tell my children and my grand-children about him. He was a friendly, humouros, warm-hearted and honest man responding to every letter from his listeners. Once he mentioned his son William who loved a single named "Action man" - at the age of ten. My condolence to his family now. -- Simplicius 06:11, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: In Memoriam John Peel

message: Just incase anybody else wants to change this, here's the link the save you the bother: the stage was "New Tent" not "New Bands Tent"!.  Ta :) Joe D (t) 17:02, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: John Peel stage

message: Radio London's name wasn't prefixed by "Wonderful". It was just plain Radio London or at a push lower case w. So I've changed all references to it. Any google "radio london" search verifies this in numerous articles. Hangleton79 12:05, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This information is incorrect. My information comes from the files of Don Pierson, the creator of Wonderful Radio London. The station was not allowed to register as a company in the United Kingdom, and so its main operation was located in the Bahama islands under a total different name have no connection to "Wonderful" "Radio" or "London". All of these links went back to Eastland, Texas and to the Abilene National Bank where the founder of Wonderful Radio London was the president. To enable advertising sales in the UK, a totally separate and independent sales agency (not owned in Texas), was authorized and registered under British law called "Radlon (Sales) Ltd." This contraction was to get the British General Post Office who at that time controlled the phone service to provide a phone service to that company. However, while the name "Radio London" was painted on the side of the ship, all station identification over the air was made as "Wonderful Radio London" or "Wonderful Big L". The car stickers said the same thing. After the station closed in 1967 the BBC started its own "BBC Radio London" and in 1983 the founder of the original offshore station backed a new enterprise called "Wonderful Radio London International, Inc." In 1997 the first in a series of low-power operations was commenced under a RSL licence, again using the same name on the air. All literature and recordings have also used the same name in order to make it clear that the station referenced is the original Texas offshore station and not a BBC station or any number of legally licensed IBA commercial stations that subsequently came on the air after the 1970s, including a recent version called "Easy Radio London" has undergone many format changes. The actual name of that station is "Easy Radio" but the name "London" was also featured and some of its jingles harked back to the same series as the original "Wonderful Radio London" format. Today if anyone reads the name "Wonderful Radio London" instead of "Radio London", they know that it is the offshore station and its legacies that are being discussed and not the BBC or IBA varieties. Don Pierson created a similar structure for his other offshore stations "Swinging Radio England" and "Britain Radio", which were represented in London by another independent sales company called "Peir Vick Ltd." My information comes from original source files. I suggest you redo your search and also search under Yahoo. Also check out the Wonderful Radio London copyrights web site. MPLX/MH 15:33, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wonderful" Radio London 

message: :"There is a John Peel tribute DJ, Ron Steel, who works with the John Peel Memorial Music Foundation."
Can anybody confirm the existence of this tribute act? Or any of the details in the Ron Steel article? "Macclesford Owls Home"? "Buford Polytechnic"? ...and according to that article, the "John Peel Memorial Music Foundation" is a mere ambition, but here it is implied to be a real thing. Googling "ron steel" dj doesn't help. Googling "ron steel" "john peel" gets you this article and nothing else. Please, someone show me some references. --rbrwr± 21:28, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I am 95% certain of one of two possibilities: 1) "Ron Steel" wrote the initial Wiki entry. He can't spell and has made this stuff up with every edit since November. The references are silly. On the 5% end of possibility 2) This guy is playing around in his head with a daydream and Britain is full of such people, but no such person really exists and certainly no such Wikipedia page should exist. However, I have a solution. Delete what is there and turn it into a redirect for a real dj who became famous as "The Real Don Steele" and then if that article does not exist, create one. MPLX/MH 21:41, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well right now Ron Steel is a redirect for a brand new article about The Real Don Steele. MPLX/MH 22:41, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ron Steel" 

message: Was it KMEN or KMEM? See http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/johnpeel/story/0,15271,1336799,00.html -- SGBailey 22:55, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
:Google hit counts prove nothing, but... kmen "san bernardino": 412 hits, some with very supportive context (other DJs from the station, etc). kmem "san bernardino": 75 hits including one interview with JP and the Guardian story you mention. It seems that neither callsign is currently used in San Bernardino, California. --rbrwr± 06:31, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: San Bernardino

message: I reverted this:
:* [...] it is less well-known that he also fell in love with Bulgarian side Spartak Varna after the club's striker Raptor Phuckov became the lead singer of the Eastern European country's foremost death metal band The Beatles.
Raptor Phuckov has already been deleted as an apparent hoax (see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Raptor Phuckov). I was unable to confirm any of the details in this addition with a quick Google and I don't remember him mentioning Spartak Varna particularly. If anyone can cast (well-referenced) light on this claim, I'd be interested... --rbrwr± 23:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been a spate of vandalism involving Spartak Varna and Raptor Phuckov involving such articles as Michael Owen, Malcolm Glazer, Andriy Shevchenko and many more. Take it as read that this was vandalism. There actually is a Spartak Varna club (currently bottom of the Bulgarian Premier League), but I can find no evidence that their players include the etymologically-unlikely Raptor Phuckov... -- Arwel  23:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I thought that that was the most likely explanation. --rbrwr± 06:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spartak Varna/Raptor Phuckov 

message: Is there reason for an own article named John Peel Sessions? It could name bands sorted by year. -- Simplicius 16:54, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC employed its own house bands and orchestras and it also engaged outside bands to record exclusive tracks for its programs in BBC studios. This was the reason why Peel was able to use "session men" in his own programs. Sessions were usually four tracks recorded and mixed in a single day; as such they often had a rough and ready, demo-like feel, somewhere between a live performance and a finished recording. Many classic Peel Sessions have been released on record, particularly by the Strange Fruit label. Latterly the show also regularly featured live performances, mostly from Maida Vale in London, but occasionally in the Peel Acres living room.
I take it that, as opposed to the BBC's standard practice at the time, Peel's "session men" were actually the artists themselves. Is this true? If so, it ought to be stated explicitly. If not, perhaps someone could mention when the practice was changed—perhaps at some point before the Sessions section veers off into the 7 paragraph non-Sessions-related non sequitur on old 78s, the Festive Fifty, happy hardcore and so forth. 66.73.194.45 01:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've moved the non-Sessions stuff up into the Radio 1 section where it belongs.--duncan 09:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, at least there is List of Peel Sessions now. Simplicius (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: John Peel Sessions

message: Why is there no information about his books? If you have no earthly clue of what I am talking about here is the Barnes & Noble link to the first book of the series. Now maybe I am horribly mistaken, but this is the only person who use(d)s the name John Peel. -Hoekenheef 22:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See John Peel (disambiguation), which is linked from the top of the page, and John Peel (writer). --rbrwr± 22:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks man. I didn't catch the disambig link. Sorry about that. -Hoekenheef 00:53, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  His books? 

message: This article is currently linked from the main feature on the front page of BBC online. Piccadilly 13:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC link

message: from the Times Online article here:
 please see John Peel's Record Box
:I've added a reference to this (with two relevant links) in the article. I suspect that there are more than a few performers and/or recordings in this list that deserve articles and lack them: The Squirrels would head my personal list among the missing, I'll start that one. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an article John Peel's Record Box. Now I need some support concerning the description, links, years and so on. Thank you very much! Simplicius (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of [[John Peel's Record Box]] -- Help needed 

message: I added the cleanup-tag since there are some style issues in the article. Album names should be in italics, song names in "quotation marks" and band names just plain. (See BBC career section for most errors.) Since I am a little short on time and the article is quite long, I hope you can assist me with this task. Thanks.. --Johnnyw 16:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this has all been dealt with. I've removed the tags. If you see anything still wrong, feel more than free to fix it. - Jmabel | Talk 04:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cleanup

message: "When checking into hotels in the early Peel used a series of names from Channel Nine News section of the BBC television comedy series The Fast Show including Butros Butros Gali and Chris Waddle."
in the early Peel? I thought "years" but the fast show reference implies it was within the last 10 years. 
--Andrewcrosby 09:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure what this sentence is meant to mean 

message: Sometime in the 80's, I think, John had an accident riding his bike to work. He had a head injury  and when he described the symptoms he was experiencing a doctor who happened to be listening rang in, advising him to go to A&E and have it checked, which he did. Turned out to be being safe rather than sorry but I only vaguely recall this - anyone out there know more? Britmax 12:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bike accident in the 80's

message: Reverted part of the edit by 70.51.150.223, changing T. Rex back to Tyrannosaurus Rex.  They didn't abbreviate their name until 1970; this section talks about Peel's career in 1967, so should refer to them by the name they had at the time. Just like we wouldn't say 'Jefferson Starship' instead of 'Jefferson Airplane', for the same period. --duncan 19:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginning of British career 

message: Some time in the last ten weeks, the following was removed:
:Later, on his BBC programmes, he was to champion esoteric performers like Ron Geesin and John Fahey, and break new British bands like Family and Fairport Convention, Groundhogs, and Led Zeppelin. His shows influenced the rise of most subsequent styles of rock music. But, even if he became progressively disillusioned with hippy idealism as the 1970s wore on, the personal style he pioneered on the Perfumed Garden remained, winning him the affection of subsequent generations of listeners.
:Wonderful Radio London closed on August 14, 1967 at 3pm just before the Marine Broadcasting Offences Act became law at midnight. The new law made the offshore broadcasting illegal for British citizens serving as advertisers, suppliers, news-readers and DJs.
There is a POV phrase or two that might be reworded, but basically this strikes me as sound. Is there any reason this was removed from the article? - Jmabel | Talk 19:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd removal 

message: "In that year he was also voted 47th in a Cosmopolitan readers' poll."
47th what?  Most bearded Liverpudlian?  Best person to live in Suffolk??  -- Dupont Circle 11:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosmopolitan Readers' Poll 

message: "His avant-garde musical tastes brought him into conflict with other more conservative DJs at the BBC such as Tony Blackburn and Simon Bates." - I liked John Peel alot before reading this article, but now I believe he is god! Top marks to whoever contributed to this article - is it featured? If not, it should be - it has gone to my #1 spot just for finding out he annoyed the bejaysus out of Tony Blackburn! Bubba hotep 23:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The man 

message: On Friday, October 28, 2006, 'The World' - a coproduction of the BBC and WGBH - was aired on NPR stations in the USA featuring a tribute to Peel by his son. This program with a different link announcer had originated in the UK a few weeks ago and unfortunately it reflects a total distortion of history. Peel is on his way to becoming a Patron Saint of Myth in Media. The Wiki article is also becoming distorted and it also contains unsupported statements about Peel's beginning on Wonderful Radio London - similar to the BBC/NPR program. Several of these issues were cleared up earlier on only to have become confused once again by turning the article into a glowing tribute fan page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.128.80.124 (talk • contribs) 28 October 2006.
: So you are writing here to recommend what you consider a bad source? Or what? If there is information in the article that you think is wrong, please be more concrete about what you think is wrong; best of course if you can provide sources, but even if you can't it might provide someone a direction for research. - Jmabel | Talk 03:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Peel remembered on 'The World' 

message: Does Tractor's 2002 appearance at Glastonbury really merit mention in an article on Peel? I would think that belonged only in the article on the band. - Jmabel | Talk 07:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tractor pull 

message: Did he die on 25th or 26th October?  His widow Sheila says in Margrave of the Marshes that it was the 26th, and presumably she should know.   MFlet1 23:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death date 

message: Somebody added this to the article:
The fact that he had died whilst visiting a South American country has fuelled speculation that he knew more about the Kennedy assassination than previously thought.
"Has fuelled speculation" among whom?  And what is the source for this?  In any case, what would the connection between South America and JFK be?  I think I'm going to remove this. Devilgate 14:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy theory? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:John Peel.jpg

message: The autobiography link (Margrave of the Marshes) diverts back to this (the John Peel) page. Is this the right way to do this? Shouldn't it be an ISBN link or somesuch? -- ?
:I read John Peel wrote only 1,500 of 100,000 words . 
:The book was completed by his wife Sheila. Simplicius (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are, IIRC, credited as joint authors. I've removed the Wlink because it looks like what's happened is someone started an article for the book but it was speedied or AfD'd, & that page was redirected here. No problem if the article gets recreated, it just deletes the redirect & it can be relinked. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Autobiography

message: The article says he played it in December 1976.  I think this is wrong, since the single didn't come out until June 1977 and the Pistols never recorded a Peel session. MFlet1 11:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That mention seems to have gone now - I wonder if it was actually talking about "Anarchy in the UK", which was released in November 1976. According to the GStQ article it was recorded in October 76 and March 77. -- Beardo (talk) 10:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: God Save The Queen

message: I'm going through :Category:Peel Sessions recordings, and trying to put the articles in some semblance of order. If the band is listed in the article title (even as adisambiguation), I'm sorting it by the band name. If it doesn't show on the list, I'm leaving sorted by the actual title. -Freekee (talk) 05:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorizing the Peel Sessions albums 

message: I've just been thumbing through my copy of Margrave of the Marshes, and found the page on which John discusses the Beckenham Arts Lab. No reference is made in the book's index, and the only reference I can find to 'the Arts Labs generally' is on page 402 of the first [hardback] edition of this [semi] autobiography []. It is in the book's Appendix, which is essentially an outline of what the proposed book would contain. The quote in full is as follows:
'Letters from David Bowie scrounging money for wait for it wait for it... the Beckenham Arts Lab. Reflections on Arts Labs generally, the limitless quantities of bullshit engendered therein and the effect of same - the deadening effect of same - on Eastern European music (incorporating the Silly Hat theory of advanced pop criticism).'
I have no idea what this 'deadening effect on Eastern European music' might have consisted of, nor what the Silly Hat theory was or is... However, this one reference does in fact seem to verify the original author's assertion that Peely was indeed 'very critical' of the movement. If a citation is to be added, how would one go about it? I've only ever added anything to the Wiki once, and that contribution was repeatedly removed [a personal obituary of Lord Jago Eliot, a very close friend who had died the day before, and the experience of this has left me somewhat squeamish about contributing anything further...] Also given the references are numbered, would an insertion entail renumbering all the others, and indeed their numbers in the body text itself? help...? Adexxx (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Process first: adding in a new reference will automatically fix the numbering, so that's not a problem. Certainly, if they are Peel's words "limitless quantities of bullshit" can certainly be cited as criticism. Best way of referencing it so use the  template in the  construct. I've left a copy of the template below as a temporary measure so you can fill it in & paste it into the article. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 17:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Request in 'Beginning of British career' section 

message: Please help. It is just a start. Thank you very much! - Simplicius, Feb 2008
Name of show                           	Radio station         	First show   	Last show  	Frequency	Remarks
Cat's Caravan                          	WRR, Dallas           	1961         	?          	weekly   	unpaid
?                                      	KLIF                  	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	KOMA, Oklahoma City   	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	KLMA, Oklahoma City   	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	K/men, Los Angeles    	?            	1965       	         	
The Perfumed Garden                    	Wonderful Radio London	ca 8 Mar 1967	14 Aug 1967	         	
Top Gear                               	BBC Radio 1           	1967         	1975       	         	
Nightride                              	BBC Radio 1           	6 Mar 1968   	1969       	         	
John Peel (aka The John Peel Wing-Ding)	BBC Radio 1           	1975         	2004       	         	
John Peel’s Music on BFBS              	BFBS Radio 1          	?            	?          	weekly   	
?                                      	DT64                  	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	VPRO Radio3           	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	Hansawelle            	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	Radio Mafia, Helsinki 	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	Rockradio, Finland    	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	YleX, Finland         	?            	?          	         	
?                                      	Radio Bremen 2        	1985         	?          	         	
?                                      	Radio Bremen Vier     	1987         	?          	         	
Nachtexpress                           	Hitradio Ö3           	1989         	1994       	monthly  	
Offspring                              	BBC Radio 4           	1995         	1997       	         	
Peel                                   	Radio Eins, Berlin    	Sep 1997     	18 Dec 2003	weekly   	
Home Truths                            	BBC Radio 4           	1998         	16 Oct 2004	         	
split early Radio 1 into Top Gear (sole presenter form 1968) & eponymous show 1975 onwards. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 16:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of shows

message: There is a line in this page that says John 'rarely, if ever, gave airtime to industrial music'. However, one only has to go and look at the list of peel sessions on wikipedia, to find 'Atari Teenage Riot', 'Caberet Voltaire', 'Front 242', 'Laibach', 'Leather Nun' and 'Ministry'. These bands were not merely played on his show, but actually came in to do a peel session, presumably other industrial bands were played too.
I strongly suspect that John played more industrial than any other Radio 1 DJ at the time he was broadcasting, so this comment seems misleading to me?
Colum
Metacosm (talk) 15:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and Einstürzende Neubauten were also one of his favourites if I remember rightly.  I think I will remove that sentence.  MFlet1 (talk) 23:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Didn't play industrial? 

message: This article looks good and I think it should be nominated for GA. Currently it lacks citations however; I've started adding them from one source but it will be best if others could add even just one from time to time using other sources. As an aside, I notice in the talk page header for WikiProject BBC, it reads "??? 	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale" which I find surprising as I expected it to be pretty important. Maybe someone familiar with the wikiproject can check this out? PL290 (talk) 14:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work towards GA 

message: Can anyone help me with any information or references concerning the subject in question? The same  request in ru_wiki posted 9 months ago still hangs there unanswered. I remember  his fascinating report aired in a 3-part series by the BBC World Service (was it included in his domestic programme, I wonder?) but cannot find a single mention of the event in the Internet. -- Evermore2 (talk) 10:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall reading about it in Margrave of the Marshes, but it's been a while since I read it. What year would it have been? – B.hotep •talk• 10:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, but judging by the music he played, probably, 1987. For Peel it was a harrowing experience: he was hunting for some kind of hidden treasures and felt vexed with the obvious lack of any. Later I sent him a postcard with - well, all of the right thanks and praizes, but still a bit critical. I remember using the phraze 'You've met all of the wrong people over here' - which was only half true: a) he wasn't choosing the people he was meeting, b) there was not much of the 'right people' either. Later I felt sorry for this bit of - salt for the wound, as it were. But still I think he knew what I meant and was grateful for - at least, some reaction. For he replied (on the air) in the most jovial manner: "That's what my job is about, Vladimir: meeting all of them wrong people!" Which was a perfect one-liner of a reply, of course. Still, this Moscow/Leningrad visit was a frustrating experience for him and that was probably the reason why he failed to mention it in the book. -- Evermore2 (talk) 10:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In "the olivetti chronicles" (p. 59 and p. 318 f.) John mentions attending a concert in Moscow, feat. Zvuki Mu, in 1988. --Arno Matthias (talk) 08:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, at least the year is fixed. Looks like his visit sadly preceded the two genuine underground gems, N.O.M. and Kolibri's rise to prominence. - Evermore2 (talk) 15:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Peel in the USSR 

message: Can we add the things John has influenced AFTER his death?
In Ldn people are saying 'Keep your ears John Peeled' as a way to communicate the need to 'listen for something new' the legacy of JP lives on in the hearts and minds of millions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.228.182 (talk) 08:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: I wonder why is this in the Favourite Music section? Or, for that matter, why is it in the article at all? 93.145.140.164 (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. Uniplex (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peel's "seismographic" handwriting style 

message: This edit - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Peel&diff=prev&oldid=435423574 - introduced a comment about Mopsie Beans with a strange reference. It looks doubtful to me. -- Beardo (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mopsie Beans ? 

message: The article states-
While in Dallas, in 1965, he married his first wife, Shirley Anne Milburn, then aged 15, in what Peel later described as a "mutual defence pact". The marriage was never happy and although she accompanied Peel back to Britain in 1967, they were soon separated. The divorce became final in 1973. Shirley Anne Milburn later took her own life.
the reference only seems to state that she was fifteen when they met
Peel, John; Sheila Ravenscroft (2005). Margrave of the Marshes. London: Bantam Press. pp. 183–4, 211–12, 178, 228–9, passim. .
where as another ref I've got states she was sixteen on the marriage date 26 Sept, 1965
Healey, Micheal; John Peel - A life in Music (2004). pp. 32-33 
Can anyone confirm this.  Also it would be interesting to know if the marriage was after or before both her parents died.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonpatterns (talk • contribs) 21:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a detailed article on Milburn in the Mail on Sunday, 31 October 2004. It gives her date of birth as 16 February 1949 and marriage to Peel as 26 September 1965 at Durant in Oklahoma: So she is over 16 when she marries. This marriage date also means she marries after her parent's deaths: Jesse Levi Milburn died in a car accident on 6 February 1965, and her mother, Yvonne Francis, , died a few months later from a heart attack, on 16 June 1965. The article also states she died in 1987 after choking on a chicken bone i.e. not suicide (although there was one previous suicide attempt - it is fairly tragic life story). The author of the article, Sharon Churcher, speaks to family members so it appears well-sourced. I would happily update the factual elements of that section (Personal life), however, I am hesitant to do so given the Mail on Sunday source (I am fairly new to Wikipedia so wanted to ask here first). Would you consider this article (in the Mail on Sunday) a reliable source? The reference is here:  (I could only find the article in ProQuest and not on the Web) Gricharduk (talk) 07:11, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The reliability of the Mail on Sunday has been discussed recently here, and the conclusion was :"...there is a clear and substantial consensus that the source is generally unreliable, and a slightly narrower consensus that the source should be deprecated. To the extent that the source is in use in articles for the support of assertions, editors should make reasonable efforts to find an alternate source for that assertion when removing this source."  Sources that "appear to be" well-sourced are, in the case of the Mail and its associates, often not.  So, I would not use it as a source - but, personally, I would have no problem with a wording that said something like: "An article in the Mail on Sunday claimed that......,  but this has not been verified".  Others would object to that approach, I'm sure.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Just to note that both The Guardian and The Independent claim that Milburn was 15 when they married, as do The Herald and the Daily Mail. The marriage (and the death of Milburn's parents soon after), is covered on pages 211-212 of Margrave of the Marshes: book preview link here. It says she was 15 when they met, but does not give a date or age for the marriage. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Okay noted and I am glad I asked here first. Thank you for the book link and thank you both very much for your very clear and quick answers - it is appreciated. Gricharduk (talk) 10:11, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Texas Birth Index (available online via Ancestry.com) confirms her birth date as 16 Feb 1949.  Her marriage to Ravenscroft/Peel does not seem to be on that site, but if it was after Feb 1965 it seems that she was 16.  The allegation that she was 15 when she married comes from Julie Burchill... who is probably not best known for her commitment to the truth.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How old was his first wife Shirley Anne Milburn when they married? 

message: Can someone add in a section on the recent controversy over Jimmy Saville, John Peel and Gary Glitter. A well written section, that is fair and balanced would be helpful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.121.131 (talk) 21:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What sources do you have that refer to Peel?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

text: It seems to be more than a single allegation (highlighted as far back as 1999, and quoting an interview Peel himself gave ten years before that): http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/1999/jan/23/weekend.julieburchill, and they are being linked, at least as part of the culture of the time: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/12/evil-jimmy-savile-not-alone Ghughesarch (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter & John Peel 

message: I was asked to notify here with this from Talk:Jimmy Savile child sexual abuse allegations.
There are now media reports alleging that John Peel had an affair with a 15-year-old girl, reports that seems to involve a terminated pregnancy, unprotected sex shortly after boasting on-air of suffering from a venereal disease and a postcard from the late 1990s which does nothing at all to clear his name. Source The BBC has now been forced into a major rethink on its decision to name a new wing of Broadcasting House after Peel. Source How does Wikipedia deal with this latest development? --86.40.110.74 (talk) 05:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Both these points - the alleged relationship, and the naming of the BBC building - have now been incorporated into the article, with a link to the Jimmy Savile child sexual abuse allegations.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

text: PS: So far as I can see, she does not claim that the pregnancy was the result of sex with Peel - we don't know what other partners she had.   The headline says that she was pregnant because of Peel, but her words in the article do not necessarily say that.   I won't revert again, but the story is not as clear-cut as it first appears, and I think the headline writer has over-interpreted the material.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone give a legitimate reason for mentioning the Savile allegations at all in this article? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:35, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been an attempt at moral equivalence between Peel, Glitter and Savile. However, the woman who had an alleged relationship with Peel admits that it was consensual and lasted three months, that she asked him to appear at the opening of her new bar, and she approached the newspapers over it, so attempts at moral outrage should be somewhat muted. There is some indirect relevance because the BBC is now in crisis management mode.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The possible renaming of the BBC Peel Wing is worth stating, and the explanation for that is, as IanMacm says, because the BBC is panicking over Savile and the wider implications.  But I don't mind greatly if the link to the Savile article is removed.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

text: A woman, who told a tabloid newspaper she had a relationship with a BBC DJ when she was 15, says she now bitterly regrets going public was in the news. She denies that it was abuse, and the rest of the report paints a somewhat disturbing picture of 1960s groupie culture.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been no further updates re the renaming of the Peel Wing since last October, and in fact the BBC's website still refers to the building as the Peel Wing.  Also the BBC sponsored the 2012 John Peel lecture only a few weeks after the story surfaced.  Consequently I would say he seems to be in the clear and we should remove the sentence that refers to the renaming, or at the very least acknowledge that no decision appears to have been taken.  MFlet1 (talk) 11:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Note from Jimmy Savile allegations

message: Of course he will not be remebered as an ardent believer, but are there any reference supporting his classification as "atheist"?
The article states that, among others, "Peel said he would like to be remembered with a gospel song. He stated that the final record he would play would be the Rev C. L. Franklin's sermon "Dry Bones in The Valley".
This really does not sound like Dawkins&Co. Or are there any other explicit quotes?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GinoBartali (talk • contribs) 10:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In this interview, he was asked the question "Would you describe yourself as agnostic or atheist?" with "I don't know really... My own creed, such as it is, is the very obvious one of 'Do as you would be done by.'".  He also says he enjoys visiting churches because "although I don't believe in the things that the people who built them believe in, I'm impressed by the intensity of their beliefs".   On that basis, personally, I'd describe him as a humanist rather than either atheist or agnostic.  Obviously, there's absolutely no reason why someone who appreciates gospel music (or the intensity of a sermon) needs to have any belief that the words are actually true.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That last is true of any song, really.  And Peel, who was an unparalleled appreciator of music, would be a good judge of that. 2.28.151.246 (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheist? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This seems to be missing. Agreed he's no Savile but I don't think we can just ignore it given the sources:
*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9603959/John-Peel-got-15-year-old-pregnant-after-meeting-at-Black-Sabbath-concert-claims-woman.html
*http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/bbc-to-erect-john-peel-plaque-at-hq-9796624.html
*http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-john-peel
*http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/12/john-peel-jimmy-savile-bbc_n_1960523.html
*http://metro.co.uk/2012/10/13/bbc-could-rename-peel-wing-after-claims-of-affair-with-15-year-old-girl-599752/
Philafrenzy (talk) 13:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: These were unverified claims made in 2012.  I don't see a good reason to include them.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The basic facts don't seem to be in dispute  but it is hard to prove anything over such a length of time.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The man is dead so I think we can state the matter fairly briefly as an unproven matter but one that has been widely reported in reliable sources? Philafrenzy (talk) 16:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's interesting that the woman involved (who I won't name even though it is easily available) says that nothing happened that she did not want to do at the time. Considering the huge media coverage of Adam Johnson (footballer), this has to be given some consideration. As the BBC news video points out, plenty of girls under 16 were sexually active in the 1960s. The BBC's position is that it would "reconsider" the name of the John Peel Wing if the allegations were proven, but as of March 2016, it looks as though the BBC has not done this. The sourcing is a bit vague.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite agree. Except that I'm pretty sure it wasn't just the 1960s. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Affair

message: Substituted at 20:19, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: John Peel brought me into a better mood than my psychotherapist could. It is a pity that the list of shows is not completed yet. -- SXXXB (talk) 12:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: List of shows

message: I remember Andy Kershaw saying on air once that John referred to Sheila as 'The Pig' not in a derogatory way but because when she laughed she tended to snort like a pig. Can anyone find a citable source for this?
TristramBrelstaff (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Page 188 of Margrave of the Marshes, Sheila says: "" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Might be a good idea to add something. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 'The Pig'

message: I read the article. I didn't read a single "accusation of sexual abuse". So why is that section in this article?
Surely in order for someone to be "accused" of sexual abuse, there needs to be... an accusation. There have been none. Section should be deleted/mothballed until such accusations are actually made.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.184.110.130 (talk) 19:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He was accused by one woman posthumously in 2012, the other information in that section are his own actions and admissions of abusive conduct which were scrutinised in the media afterwards. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

text: It's not only mentioned in the Burchill Guardian article but one of The Independent references too. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Independent article comes after the Burchill article, which was the original source of the allegation. It is likely the source of the Independent allegation, as there is no evidence before the Burchill piece to support the allegation, and certainly no contemporary evidence from the 1970's.  Deselby70 (talk) 15:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to reduce any behaviour that is accused/attributed to Peel, but Burchills 'Rakes Progress' has been regularly denounced as an unreliable hit-piece. Burchill also attacked Peel for supposedly only playing 'white music' (and the inplication of being 'a bit racist', yet Peel championed Jamaican reggae/roots back in the 70s, and World Music, through to dancehall and jungle in the 90s. Burchill is not a reliable source for such things as we've seen many times since Journeytounconsciousness (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it hard to believe that Burchill would invent quotes where Peel admitted to sexually abusing girls, and I don't see any source accusing her of that. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've clarified the source for Peel's comments and expanded the quote from Burchill's article to give more context. If this was a BLP, the article would need more contemporary RS to support the allegations BLP:CRIME, WP:BLPSOURCE. The comments Birchall says that Peel made in 1975 seem to have been part of an interview. Without the full original source we don't have the context they were made in. Peel's use of sarcasm is well known. The article currently doesn't include any RS that Peel admitted to allegations of sexual abuse that were put to him. WP:CONTENTIOUS, WP:NPOV. IndigoBeach (talk) 11:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexual abuse accusations

message: "While residing in Dallas, Texas, in 1965, he married his first wife, Shirley Anne Milburn, then aged 16" 
"His first marriage to Shirley Anne Milburn in 1965 has been cited as an example of misconduct as she was 15 years old when they wed" 
Which is it? 84.92.43.164 (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is discussed further up this page. As I wrote then: The Texas Birth Index (available online via Ancestry.com) confirms her birth date as 16 Feb 1949.  Her marriage to Ravenscroft/Peel does not seem to be on that site, but if it was after Feb 1965 it seems that she was 16.  The allegation that she was 15 when she married comes from Julie Burchill... who is probably not best known for her commitment to the truth.   .... and indeed says in her piece, "I've always loathed John Peel...".   Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently cites an interview from The Herald, in which Peel says the following: "Both her parents died within a month of each other and so we got married more as a mutual defence pact than anything else, really. I don't really like talking about it, to be honest, but it was an incredibly sad time. She had a shit time. I'm sure I wasn't blameless. She was just as f-ed-up as any 15- year-old who'd just lost her parents would be, and married some geezer from another planet."  AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Shirley Anne Milburn 

message: I've replaced this Far Out Magazine reference [] because it's a circular reference via the change.org petition (dated 30 June 2022, unable to include link to it here because the site is blacklisted), which had copied the allegations from this article (version 27 June 2022  []), one of which fails verification (now tagged) WP:CIRCULAR, WP:UGC. Adding a comment here to include the diff and links. IndigoBeach (talk) 10:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  circular reference removed: Far Out Magazine via change.org petition 

message: There are reliable sources on both sides suggesting that Biryani that launched Billy B's career was brought to the studios by billy himself or the publishers without Billy. 
Billy himself has stated it was him with publisher Jeff in some places, in other places that it was him on his own, and yet the source used to say it was only the publishers is his official biography. this needs looking into.  DParkinson1 (talk) 21:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's Biryani?