Talk:Patroclus

message: "After retrieving his body, which had been protected on the field by Odysseus and Ajax (Telamonian Aias)..."
Wait, what? Isn't it Menelaus and Ajax? Odysseus was still injured and didn't take part in that battle. 212.250.138.33 (talk) 02:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, I changed it and added a reference. Lophostrix (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odysseus... What? 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: Shouldn't the name of the article be Patroklos?  It's the direct transliteration of the Greek spelling. 70.128.46.25 (talk) 21:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: 1. "Menoetius was a member of the Argonauts in his youth. He had several marriages, and in different versions of the tale four different women are named as the mother of Patroclus."
What are the sources for the different versions?
2. "The death of Achilles is given in sources other than the Iliad."
What are these sources then?
ICE77 (talk) 07:20, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing sources 

message: Well? The sources are this site and related ones! Regards, 96.19.147.40 (talk) 02:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the vowels are kind of important. The root of Patroclus is pater, "father", while Peter is petros, a rock. I suppose you could say the meaning of "Patroclus" ("glory of the father") could be a way to describe Jesus, but otherwise, what are the similarities? Sticking -cles (or -clus) on the end of a noun was a common way of forming names in Greek (Heracles, Androcles, Megacles, and so on). Adam Bishop (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does not Patroclus (PTR) without consonants, have some resemblence to St. Peter? or Jesus? 

message: Please see the "Missing sources" section above, dating to 2011, to start, to understand that the perspective I am about to state is not new, and not singular or isolated. I merely extend the examination that this previous editor did, to the whole of the article.
I will begin with my conclusion, and then justify it: The article is an embarrassment to the encyclopedia, in its flouting the stated WP rules regarding sourcing and original research by editors. The article is a student essay (and poor for want of sourcing), with only sporadically appearing citations to primary sources, often vague at that. Most sentences and paragraphs have in fact no sources cited, despite their non-common knowledge content (most of article). On the few occasions that a citation appears, only primary sources are cited, and incompletely, and without standard links as can be offered to classical sources (most of remainder of article). There is a single exception, to the book of Martin; hence, a single quality secondary source appears in the whole of the article, as of this date. 
Finally, in addition to its failure to allow for the verification of its factual content, the article repeated states interpretive conclusions regarding historical events, stating matters as fact without the required expert attribution (secondary sources), and so disconnects this article from published expert opinion, making it a mere pose of encyclopedic writing. In short, in its reliance on unsourced material or primary sources, and so on editor expertise, the the article is near to unverifiable, and almost entirely original research, in violation of WP:OR and WP:VERIFY. Le Prof  73.210.154.39 (talk) 06:48, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fiction tag added, as best available (though not exactly needed) message, to call attention to the fact that the article fails, in its choice of language at times, to properly distinguish between history and mythology. Note, with regard to Patroclus and Achilles, the (historically presented) description of their being sent of to grow up among the centaurs.  Leprof 7272 (talk) 07:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits of this day 

message: Patroclus is a mythological character. It should be understood that every biographical statement in this article pertains to the legends surrounding the character as delineated in the Iliad, not as an historical personage. As such, I find it rather a nuisance to see all the big boxes complaining about the article. In addition, the frequent "non-primary source needed" notes also seem ill-placed considering that nigh everything that has ever been written about Patroclus is derived from the Iliad, a primary source as it were. Complaining that the article is derived from a single source seems rather pointless considering that there is only one source (besides the occasional and mostly insignificant references to him in other works of antiquity, as well as the Odyssey); it seems no different than whining that everything that is known about Chandler Bing is derived from a single source: Friends, who doesn't exist outside of that universe. Likewise, Patroclus exists only within the universe of the Homeric epics: any secondary/tertiary sources would invariably be interpretations of that one source. In my mind it is pointless to insist on something more.
Philologick (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues are pedantic 

message: I am going to focus on this article, specifically Patroclus' relationship with Achilles, for a class I am currently taking. I have compiled a few possible references. Please let me know if you have any suggestions.
Ledbetter, Grace M.. “Achilles' Self-address: Iliad 16.7-19”. The American Journal of Philology 114.4 (1993): 481–491.
Percy, William Armstrong. “Reconsiderations About Greek Homosexualities.” Journal of Homosexuality 49.3-4 (2005): 13-61. 
Rabel, Robert J. “Cebriones the Diver: Iliad 16.733-76.” The American Journal of Philology 114.3 (1993): 339-41.
Dowden, Ken. The Uses of Greek Mythology. London: Routledge, 1992. Print.
Jjdgzd (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The spellings "Patroclus" and "Achilles" are the most common spellings and are used throughout Wikipedia. Please stop changing them. Paul August ☎ 01:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Sources 

message: Hi all! I'm a student editor working on Achilles and Patroclus for a class assignment. I'll be editing the Relationship with Achilles section here for continuity across both articles. I'll likely edit down and move over any information that is specifically related to their relationship, as that is the purpose of the Achilles and Patroclus page! Grenadine13 (talk) 02:04, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency with [[Achilles and Patroclus]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by Cherryfly (talk) 04:38, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: HUM 202 - Introduction to Mythology