Talk:John Mayer/Archive 2

message: In 2001 John Mayer received The prestigious ASCAP Foundation Sammy Cahn Award.  The award is given each year to a promising lyricist from The ASCAP Foundation Songwriter Workshop Series  who is selected by a distinguished group of songwriters. The award was created to commemorate the life and career of the late lyricist Sammy Cahn  . 
Here are 2 links referencing the award, please scroll down:  Media:http://www.ascapfoundation.org/press/alumni_news/awards/2007/
Media:http://www.ascap.com/eventsawards/awards/foundation/awards/cahn.html
Here is a link describing the award: Media:http://www.ascapfoundation.org/awards.html#sca
Here is a link to The ASCAP Foundation Main Page:  Media:http://www.ascapfoundation.org/index.html
Here is a link to an ASCAP page that highlights him:  
http://www.ascap.com/jam/audio_profiles/kevinbriggs_johnmayer.html#johnmayer
--Livewithlove9 (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2001 Award 

message: Heartbreak Warfare - 4:30
All We Ever Do is Say Goodbye - 4:35
Half of My Heart (with Taylor Swift) - 4:10
Who Says - 2:55
Perfectly Lonely - 4:28
Assassin - 5:15
Crossroads - 2:29
War of My Life - 4:15
Edge of Desire - 5:32
Do You Know Me - 2:30
Friends, Lovers or Nothing - 5:59  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeGoobie (talk • contribs) 22:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Listing for Battle Studies 

message: This article is written like a story, essay or magazine article which is not an appropriate tone for an encyclopedia. This ofter happens when an article is edited by fans. And that's OK, I appreciate the work others have put into the article. At the same time it's now appropriate to begun editing it to remove the 'creative writing' and editorializing in the text. I will begin this process soon but wanted to give a chance for discussion since I see this is a protected and possibly contentious article. Here are some examples from the lead in bold that need to be either be quoted from a source or taken out	
*John Clayton Mayer (pronounced /ˈmeɪ.ər/ MAY-ər;[2] born October 16, 1977) is an American musician. Originally from Connecticut[clarification needed], he attended Berklee College of Music before moving to Atlanta, Georgia in 1997, where he refined his skills and gained a following. His first two studio albums, Room for Squares and Heavier Things, did well commercially, achieving multi-platinum status. In 2003, he won a Best Male Pop Vocal Performance Grammy Award for "Your Body Is a Wonderland".-- — Kbob • Talk •  22:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Essay Tag 

message: I want to change the following phrase:
He apologized via Twitter for his usage of the word
to
He apologized via Twitter for using the word
or
He apologized via Twitter for his use of the word
The word "usage" is wrong.
Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight Change 

message: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/jonh-mayer-slammed-for-racist-remarks-in-playboy-2010102
John Mayer is coming under fire for comments he makes about African American women in his controversial March Playboy interview.
Asked "Do black women throw themselves at you?" Mayer, 32, replies:
"I don't think I open myself to it. My d*ck is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a fu*kin’ David Duke c*ck. I'm going to start dating separately from my d*ck. …I always thought Holly Robinson Peete was gorgeous. Every white dude loved Hilary from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. And Kerry Washington. She’s super hot and she’s also white-girl crazy. Kerry Washington would break your heart like a white girl. Just all of a sudden she’d be like, ‘Yeah, I sucked his d*ck. Whatever.'"
Katheryn Russell-Brown, director of the Center for the Study of Race and Race Relathions at the University of Florida and author of The Color of Crime, tells UsMagazine.com that Mayer seems to be saying "black women are not just not his type, they're not in his class. They're beneath him."
Fasltra (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, ABC source is preferred. Where will this text be added? And what will it say? Things that stars do are reported in the news everyday and not all of them are appropriate for inclusion. They should be notable and given an appropriate amount of weight, keeping the big picture, ie its a bio of a persons entire life. I'm just thinking out loud here, not taking a position, yet.  Any thoughts from others?-- — Kbob • Talk •  17:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Mayer Slammed for "Racist" Remarks in Playboy  

message: Is his last name Phillips or Mayer? It looks like someone changed his last name to phillips and then continued using it further in the article. It looks funny since it says John Clayton Phillips (pronounced may-er).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.146.151.125 (talk) 22:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: This article has gone down the toilet and I almost want to nominate it for removal from teh FA list.  It's really awful.  I'm gonna start fixing it over the next few days.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Code Red

message: There is an error in the last paragraph of this section. Both links #47 and #70 forward to articles that say the network interested in creating a show for John Mayer is CBS. However, the Wikipedia page says NBC. Please change NBC to CBS. I would fix it, but you have "semiprotected" the article. (Coreyrobertson2 (talk) 21:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice catch. I have changed the article to reflect the accurate information. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 21:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuum and beyond 

message: Such an odd title for a section. :-)  Can we do better?  How about Relationship with Celebrities and Media? Or maybe there should be two separate sections? Thoughts?-- — Kbob • Talk •  22:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition the section title has become an overcrowded store house of info about his personal life including, dating, drug use, anxiety, interviews etc. The section needs work. Any input? or should I just reorganize it on my own?-- — Kbob • Talk •  04:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's become so long, I think a separate article on John Mayer controversies might be in order, similar to existing articles such as Pat Robertson controversies, Controversies surrounding Robert Falcon Scott, and Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. John Mayer may be the most controversial, tabloid-headline-getting musician out there since Britney Spears or Amy Winehouse. We just need to make sure that a separate John Mayer controversies article, if we end up creating one, would be balanced enough to not read like a POV fork or an Attack page. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not in favor of an article fork and instead I have reorganized the Personal Life section and renamed the subsection. We want to avoid sections that become a catch all location for tabloid like fare. We have to remember this is an encyclopedia.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  20:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it is SUPPOSED to be an encyclopedia, this whole section should be axed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.84.11 (talk) 22:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating and Relationship to the Media 

message: Please add (class of 1995) to Fairfield Warde High School.
Source: http://www.publicschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/15600
Futsal1958 (talk) 13:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: publicschoolreview uses Wikipedia's page on Fairfield Warde as the source for notable alumni, so that wouldn't have worked.  A quick search revealed another reliable source that collaborated the claims - I'll add it now.  -Addionne (talk) 14:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Futsal1958, 9 November 2010 

message: John's high school actually had a different name than its current one:
It was still Andrew Warde High School when he attended it.
Source: Martin Swist, Andrew Warde High School graduate
Futsal1958 (talk) 00:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Futsal1958, 10 November 2010 

message: Current category is "Wikipedia articles in need of updating since December 2011" which needs to be changed to December 2010.
Skvader (talk) 22:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking right now, and I simply cannot find the template which is causing this erroneous category to appear. If anyone has any better luck... elektrikSHOOS 22:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Nevermind, found it. This is  Done elektrikSHOOS 22:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Skvader, 10 December 2010 

message: No reference is made to John Mayer and the band The Offspring.
John has made many voice overs for the band throughout their various albums.
27.32.247.183 (talk) 01:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing reference: The Offspring band 

message: Wikipedia's article on the auto tune says John Mayer uses it on every album, but it's not mentioned it. shouldn't it be --24.94.251.190 (talk) 09:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed that info from Auto-Tune, as it was not based on a reliable source.  If you have a reliable source, you can list it here so that we can determine if the info should be in the article.  Qwyrxian (talk) 10:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  auto-tune 

message: I just wanted to point out that as of January 17, 2012,  John has been given the all clear from his doctor and is planning on getting back to work on the new album. This is per a post on his bloghttp://jhnmyr.tumblr.com/post/16003708919/officially-back-on-track-as-of-today-doc-says-all. 
No mention of this has been made in the article, and I figured I'd point it out if someone wanted to update that portion under the "Born and Raised" subsection of "Career."
George (talk) 00:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health 

message: On February 16th 2012, John updated his blog posting the first sample of his new single 'Shadow Days'. He introduced the 60-second clip as "a clip of the first single off Born and Raised".http://jhnmyr.tumblr.com/post/17719514418/heres-a-clip-of-the-first-single-off-born-and I feel this is important to update to the 'Born and Raised' section, at least temporarily, especially seeing as John gained fame as a musician and this is a big announcement pertaining to his core appeal. Morawski DA (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born And Raised Lead Single 'Shadow Days' Clip Posted 

message: Please change Andrew Warde High School to Fairfield High School. John Mayer went to Fairfield High School, not Andrew Warde High School.  Andrew Warde High School changed its name to Fairfield High School in about 1987.  The name of the school changed again some time in about 2001 to Fairfield Warde High School. This information can be checked at the school itself in Fairfield Ct.
2.98.243.130 (talk) 00:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 20 February 2012 

message: This section has been deleted by an editor. While I agree that the section is a mess and have tried in the past to gain consensus for change, it was a sourced mess and a blanket deletion without discussion is not a good move IMO. Comments?-- — Keithbob • Talk •  17:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dating and Relationship to Media Section

message: On his tumblr today, he posted that granuloma has grown back where it was once mostly healed and that because of this he's forced to postpone live performances indefinitely, though the album Born and Raised will be released on schedule.
http://jhnmyr.tumblr.com/post/19004276066/i-have-no-idea-how-to-introduce-this-post-so-im
-Phil  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.253.150 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 9th, 2012 New granuloma 

message: Please add to "touring band members": Bryan Lipps - Trumpet (2010)
Bryan Lipps was the trumpet player for the album and tour of "Battle Studies."
108.77.226.81 (talk) 20:49, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 14 April 2012 

message: This video opens with him pronouncing his surname, as if it rhymes with the common pronunciation of "prayer" - one syllable (As far as I'm aware, that is the standard Germanic pronunciation of "Mayer", which is a Germanic name): http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/611387370c/makin-music-with-john-mayer-from-john-mayer-judd-apatow-kristen-bell-gerrybednob-ian-roberts-and-cohenobrien
The cited pronunciation appears to be from a site which has just combined separate common pronunciations of forename and surname, and assumed it is applicable to the individual.
Should the article be updated to reflect this?
94.192.213.123 (talk) 10:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of surname 

message: In the cited video it is comedian Eugene Mirman who describes Mayer as an "accidental racist", not Kumail Nanjiani.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Accidental Racist" comment 

message: These sources do not belong in External links. I have moved the link farm from there to this talk page where they do belong. Warning: I didn't check them over, so be careful in choosing any references here. Thank you! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 08:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources belong here, not in external links 

message: Under the Playboy controversy heading, it is written that he gave the interview in "April 2010" although it then goes on to say that it was published online in February 2010 in the sentence following. Furthermore, the Huffington Post article cited at the end of the "April 2010" date is an article from again, February 2010. This is confusing and I think a mistake. It should be changed to either February 2010 (the publication date) or earlier, but certainly not after. That doesn't make any sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.254.115 (talk) 12:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in Timeline of  

message: In the personal information--this sentence appears:
"He also recently sold his apartment in New York City's SoHo neighborhood and moved to Montana following his throat surgery where he has purchased a home."
Piling prepositional phrases & relative clauses up like this is risky--the subordinate clause "where he has purchased a home," in this case, seems to be talking about throat surgery--which, of course, makes no sense. It would be more logical if you moved the clause so that it appears immediately after "Montana" and set it off with commas. Also, I am not sure what citation style is used here, but typically the citation should appear before the period. Otherwise it is hard to tell what the citation is attached to. 
The new sentence (and the previous one, with the citations in their correct place):
Mayer sold his home in the Los Angeles suburbs in 2011 [3][4][113]. He also recently sold his apartment in New York City's SoHo neighborhood and moved to Montana, where he has purchased a home, following his throat surgery[114].
72.226.15.103 (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 July 2012 

message: In the personal information--this sentence appears:
"He also recently sold his apartment in New York City's SoHo neighborhood and moved to Montana following his throat surgery where he has purchased a home."
Piling prepositional phrases & relative clauses up like this is risky--the subordinate clause "where he has purchased a home," in this case, seems to be talking about throat surgery--which, of course, makes no sense. It would be more logical if you moved the clause so that it appears immediately after "Montana" and set it off with commas. Also, I am not sure what citation style is used here, but typically the citation should appear before the period. Otherwise it is hard to tell what the citation is attached to. 
The new sentence (and the previous one, with the citations in their correct place):
Mayer sold his home in the Los Angeles suburbs in 2011 [3][4][113]. He also recently sold his apartment in New York City's SoHo neighborhood and moved to Montana, where he has purchased a home, following his throat surgery[114].
72.226.15.103 (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 July 2012 

message: Saying the word "nigger" doesn't make you racist. That section is just ridiculous. It should be removed. 74.14.160.48 (talk) 18:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "allegations of racism" section

message: Within the last couple months, John has been said to have recovered enough to perform on stage again. I don't have the full details on this, though. Is such news significant enough to mention in the article? Thesomeone987 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 10 February 2013(UTC)
:I added information on his return a couple of weeks ago . Feel free to add more if necessary ;) --Sofffie7 (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recovery? 

message: *In late 2012, it was reported in 3 News NZ that Mayer was romantically involved with pop star Katy Perry.--- Source:''
The above content is currently in the article. The sources appears to be from a reputable entertainment news source with editorial oversight. Any comments or discussion? -- — Keithbob • Talk •  17:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The time spent between these two does not come across as significant enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia when compared to previous relationships they had before getting with one another. Thesomeone987 (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They dated for several months, plus he talked about it so I think it can be mentioned. His relationship with Swift, for example, did maybe last longer I don't know but he did not attend important events with her like he did with Perry, yet it is mentioned..... --Sofffie7 (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Significant enough or not, I just cropped his dating section, so it no longer says he "was reported in 3 News NZ" to be with her- the section now just simply says he has been with her. Hope this isn't a problem. Thesomeone987 (talk) 00:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Katy Perry

message: I'm not sure that the instruments listed under John Mayer are correct. There are multiple John Mayers, one of which plays the Clarinet. However, the instruments mentioned have no citations. After substantial research I was unable to find any information regarding his playing many of the ones listed, besides guitar, harmonica, and possibly piano. Another composer with the same name backs this idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mayer_(composer)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingViktory (talk • contribs) 18:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He is credited as also playing vibraphone, omnichord and piano on Room for Squares, and some percussion on Born and Raised. But I can't find anything to support that he plays clarinet or violin. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 19:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking back through the history, flute, clarinet and violin were added with this edit by an IP in July 2011. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 19:10, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed clarinet and violin now; flute was already previously removed. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 21:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Instruments He Plays 

message: In May of 2013, Mayer posted on his Tumblr blog that a new record was on the way and set to be released that summer.  On the post, he specifically pointed out that the new album would not be a "Born and Raised plus," but a group of songs "to bring the whole thing up to date in 2013."  Through various social media outlets, Mayer made it apparent that the album was being produced by Don Was, who also produced his 5th studio album, "Born and Raised."  Through studio-released pictures, some of the same members in his recent touring band were recording with Mayer in the studio (Aaron Sterling and Sean Hurley.)  On his YouTube channel, Mayer started a video playlist to keep fans updated with the recording process.  On May 25, 2013, Mayer confirmed that his first single, "Paper Doll," was in progress and would be finished in weeks.  Currently, there is no title to the record.
Source:  www.jhnmyr.tumblr.com
108.203.196.205 (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi IP 108 and thanks for your comments and request. As you may know WP is not a newspaper and its articles summarize at topic, they don't report every detail of a subject or a person's life. The points you have proposed seem like trivia to me and the source you have provided is not a reliable source per WP:RS. So let's wait on this. When the album is released it will get mainstream press and then we can add something to the article about it. Thanks for your contribution and your patience. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk •  20:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 3 June 2013 

message: John came out with a new song to go along with his summer tour Born and Raised. 
<http://johnmayer.com/home>
Paper Doll was available on iTunes June 18, 2013.
The music video was also released on June 18, featuring Joanna Rohrback.
Mayberg (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reliable source to support this change. Thanks! Jguy TalkDone 01:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 18 June 2013 

message: Add:
Tiffany Palmer - Backing Vocals
Carlos Ricketts - Backing Vocals
Doug Pettibone - Guitar, Slide Guitar
Andy Burton - Keyboard  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.91.59 (talk) 05:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touring Band Members 

message: I think a more recent picture of John should be used in the Infobox, instead of one from 2009. I would do it myself but I don't know how.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFanMan30 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox Picture

message: The following section should be updated:
After two years of practice, he started playing at blues bars and other venues in the area, while he was still in high school.[10][12] In addition to performing solo...
The update should include the following:
At age 15 Mayer began playing blues with his own band, Another Roadside Attraction.  The band played at a local bar in Bridgeport, Connecticut and local festivals in Rowayton, Connecticut.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.82.223 (talk) 06:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: Under his relationships it should be stated that he has started dating Katy perry. I was at his concert in Milwaukee at summer feet and he dedicated his song "a face to call home" to Katy. He said " I dedicate this to my Katy" 
Bekerhank (talk) 00:24, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Already added with a reliable source. --NeilN talk to me 06:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 24 July 2013 

message: The following section should be edited:
Early life
John Clayton Mayer was born on October 16, 1977 in Bridgeport, Connecticut to Margaret, an English teacher, and Richard, a high school principal.[6] He grew up in Fairfield, Connecticut, the second of three children.[7] His father is Jewish, and Mayer has said that he "relat[es] to Judaism".[8] He attended Fairfield High School in Fairfield[9] although he was enrolled in the Center for Global Studies at Brien McMahon High School in Norwalk for his junior year (then known as the Center for Japanese Studies Abroad, it is a magnet program for students wanting to learn Japanese).[10]
The edit is as follows:
John Mayer was enrolled in the Center for Japanese Studies Abroad (CJSA), later renamed the Center for Global Studies, in his sophmore and junior years.  He travelled to Japan in his sophmore year, and due to poor academic performance did not travel in his junior year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.82.223 (talk) 06:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your source for that? --NeilN talk to me 06:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: A new picture needs to be put up. The one that is there now is too old and outdated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFanMan30 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: New Picture

message: Why is there no Reception section (or equivalent)? It would appear to be a glaring omission in a featured article. czar ♔ 01:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, and frankly I'm skeptical as to whether this meets FA. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception and FA status 

message: I can see that removing it entirely might be seen as being too kind to his celebrity status, but the writing seems less than encyclopedic.  In particular the language used in the section - while coming directly from quotes - doesn't really add much to it.  The same point could likely be made with PG13-level language and the section would be more encyclopedic at the same time.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.37.139.132 (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Controvery section encyclopedic? 

message: It's not worthy of its own sub-section, but a huge part of his life is dedicated to horology and he has a truly remarkable collection.
Two suggestions:
- In the sub-section 'Other Ventures', under the heading 'Writing', it should be noted that John contributes regularly to one of the most popular watch media sites, Hodinkee, and is recognised as part of the team. 
- In personal life, or a section that someone thinks is more appropriate, it should be noted that he has amassed a watch collection consisting of both vintage and modern timepieces, that exceeds $20 million in value [source: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-in-his-own-words-20100122].
Even though I am slightly biased as I'm a watch nut myself, I believe both these additions would be relevant, with the latter being a very interesting fact for public consumption at least.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olliesanderson (talk • contribs) 21:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think these are some excellent suggestions. I'll include them in the article.Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  John's heavy involvement in the watch community 

message: The watch magazine Hodinkee ( hodinkee.com) is misspelled three times as Hondikee.  Please change.  Thank you. 
Andyw77
Andyw77 (talk) 16:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Cannolis (talk) 20:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2015 

message: Demi Lovato's song which John Mayer co-wrote on her album Here We Go again is called World of Chances, not Worlds of Chance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.36.210.117 (talk) 17:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle studies 

message: John also has 3 half siblings from his father's first marriage, Sam 56, Rachel 54, and Abigail 52
64.134.31.234 (talk) 04:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to add this to the article if there was a reference included.  I did a quick Google search and didn't find anything. I might look again later if I get a chance.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 05:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything either. Stickee (talk) 01:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Not done: When you make a request, you must provide reliable sources. Don't expect others to verify the information for you. If you have a source, please provide it when you make a new request. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015