Talk:Armored bulldozer

message: This article was split from the D9 article beacuse:
*1)  It was getting to long.
*2)  This article is as much about politics as it is about the machinery.
*3)  This article is mostly about the military applications (targeted at civilians and guerilla fighters) of the dozers and not strickly battlefield engineering.
--RPlunk 16:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is just a copy of the relevant section in the Caterpillar D9 bulldozer. Also note that the IDF uses primerly the D9 bulldozer. The Israeli Engineering Forces also operate wheel loaders and tracked excavators, but these operated in more of logistics operations rather than front lines' engagements. MathKnight 17:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I know it is an exact copy, it just didn't feel bold enough to delete the original taxt in the Caterpillar D9 article.  However, I think it should have its own page because it is not about how the D9 is used by Israel DF but how the IDF uses the D9 Bulldozer (sounds funny i know).  Another way to understand my rational is to think of cars used as bombs (car bombs); let's say cargo vans are the most popular vehicle to use for car bombs (for obvious reasons), certianly the cargo van article may make mention that some cargo vans are used as car bombs (surely not what they were designed and built for), but the article would not examplain (in detail) how car bombs are made and targets selected.  No, instead that information would go under car bombs.  So if you can undterstand my logic, then you will see why I (and others I assume) think that the usage of the D9 by the IDF belongs in its own article.--RPlunk 19:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Beyond the first [summarising] passage, we should move the material to a separate article so as to focus specifically on elaboration of military bulldozers and the debate surrounding their combat usage. We should probably also change the article name to something that would encompass the American use in Iraq, as well as other potential use in combat areas. Perhaps it should be named something like "Military bulldozer" or "Combat bulldozer". Cheers, TewfikTalk 23:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one objects, I'm moving this article to "Combat bulldozer," along with the details of both Israeli and American usage from the D9 article. TewfikTalk 05:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the appropriate sections to Armored Bulldozer. TewfikTalk 03:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: Based on a reported date in the Hezbollah article, I am guessing that there have been 2 D9 operators killed in operations on the Lebanon/Israel border, and have edited this article accordingly. But the incidents as described are similar, and the dates exactly a year apart, so perhaps there has been only a single death. Can someone with direct knowledge clarify and correct if necessary?Ian Page 07:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only 1 ranger, travelling on the dozer, was killed. The driver survived. MathKnight 17:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operator deaths 

message: This page is completely out of hand. The politicking on it is unacceptable. Anyone who likes may reduce it to acceptable levels, or I'll do it myself. IronDuke 21:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, well done. IronDuke 19:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyond ridiculous 

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message: Could have sworn the Americans made extensive use of bulldozers in the PTO during WW2 to clear Japanese field fortifications - but these may not have been armoured in the strictest sense and/or have had expedient armour added to a basic civilian model in the field.  Currently the article seems to limit WW2 use to NWE post D-day ... which seems unlikely to me.
Anyone know for certain? 82.1.7.156 (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Use in the PTO