Talk:Pacific Motorway (Brisbane–Brunswick Heads)

message: Third paragraph from the top contains references to dates in 2007. Does this need updating? Have the mentioned roadworks commenced? --Joshy06x (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of Date Information 

message: We are currently discussing preferred outcomes (including merging), at Talk:Sydney–Newcastle_Freeway#Move_proposals. As some of you may already know, the NSW motorway standard sections will soon be taking on the "Pacific Motorway" name -- Nbound (talk) 08:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible merge 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sydney–Newcastle Freeway which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 14:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Regarding the recent page move, you used the edit summary "Per MOS:ENDASH" – can you explain what you mean? Espcially since for "ranges that might otherwise be expressed with to or through", MOS:ENDASH says  - Evad37 [talk] 01:05, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: it appears that goes for time-related ranges only (it's said in that context), but I agree, it's somewhat confusing and contradictive, because at the same time there's this example: a New York–Los Angeles flight. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Having given it some thought, I'm pretty sure that goes for date/time ranges only. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:08, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: For information of interested editors, this article is included in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian Roads#Pacific Highway which relates to all of the articles about the route(s) between Sydney and Brisbane with "Pacific" in their name. --Scott Davis Talk 09:19, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about move/merge/restructure of this and related articles 

message: G'day  here you reverted my removal of hatnotes with comment "Reverted good faith edits by Shhhnotsoloud: These hatnotes are used becaue all three are intimately related, effectively being 2 parts of a road and the entire length of the road".  That's not what hatnotes are for: WP:HATNOTES: "Their purpose is to help readers locate a different article if the one they are at is not the one they're looking for". No-one is going to come to Pacific Motorway (Brisbane–Brunswick Heads) wanting Pacific Motorway (Sydney–Newcastle). Furthermore the 2nd hatnote  should only be used at the top of a section. Per the 5 basic rules of hatnotes, please self-revert and let my edit stand (and at Pacific Motorway (Sydney–Newcastle)).  Thanks, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one is going to specifically come to Pacific Motorway (Brisbane–Brunswick Heads) or Pacific Motorway (Sydney–Newcastle). They generally look for just "Pacific Highway" or "Pacific Motorway". That's where the problem begins. For the purposes of this discussion the Pacific Highway starts in Sydney and heads north to Brisbane. From Sydney another road, the Pacific Motorway, starts in Sydney and heads inland of the Pacific Highway north to  where you turn right onto John Renshaw Drive then merge left onto the New England Highway which eventually rejoins the Pacific Highway on the bridges at  (Technically they join in  but that's another story). Heading south from Brisbane, the Pacific Highway and Pacific Motorway follow the same route to  where the motorway ends and the highway continues. Between Brunswick Heads and Hexham the road is known as the Pacific Highway. So here we have a situation where we have two Pacific Motorways, one of which is part of the Pacific Highway. Eventually, all of the Pacific Highway will become the Pacific Motorway. This has lead to enormous confusion by readers and editors alike, which is why the hatnotes are used. Throw into that the fact that all three roads form part of the national highway, Highway 1 with the southern Pacific Motorway being part of Highway 1 while the Pacific Highway between Sydney and Hexham is not and you have a genuine example of a situation where hatnotes are required in order to reinforce that readers are either at the correct article or the wrong one. Even if this does not comply with the rules for hatnotes, and I believe that it does with what WP:HATNOTE says, it is a place where WP:IAR is justifiable. As for the use of  that was only restored because it was unable to restore the hatnotes without restoring that. It's not actually needed anyway. One of the roads was already linked in the body of the article and the other should have been. That has now been fixed. --AussieLegend (✉) 06:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, thank you for your comprehensive explanation. Cheers, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatnotes 

message: The distances shown in the two RJL tables add up to 152.8. This should be the figure shown in the infobox. Downsize43 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of this road 

message: This term redirects to this article, but I see no mention of the term in the article. This could easily be mistaken for the South Eastern Freeway in SA. I have put hatnotes on both articles, but wondering if the redirect should just be changed to target the SA one?
: South East Freeway is indeed mentioned in the article. I have bolded it to increase visibility. Downsize43 (talk) 09:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see - thanks. But that's "Southeast", one word - which is why find didn't work. Which also leads to the question - do we have redirects for all of the variations of spelling these points of the compass for every article title containing one? (The SA one is never spelt as one word, that I've seen, anyway.) And I've just discovered that there's a DAB for South-Eastern Freeway. Perhaps that should combine both terms? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The TMR official name is South East Arterial Road, just to further complicate things. Downsize43 (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, well perhaps add a redirect from that term, and add it to the article somewhere? I have just moved the ill-named "South-Eastern Freeway" DAB (hyphenated form) to "South Eastern Freeway (disambiguation)" and included all terms that could be confused (and fixed one article that included the redirect to this article). Hopefully clearer to all. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: South East Freeway?