Talk:History of the Palestinians

message: With all due respect for the people who worked on this article I see many issues with it, many of which already raised by in this page yet not addressed. Here are some additional ones.
The history of the Palestinian people seems to start at 1834 and end at 1945. What happened before and since? Where did Palestinians come from? Did they live in this area forever? Why are the large immigration waves of Arabs into Palestine throughout the 19th century and early 20th century not mentioned? Why are pre-Israel anti-Jewish hostilities such as the 1929 attacks so underplayed? Why is the role of the PLO as a terrorist organization (Munich etc.) not mentioned? It's very hard not to see this article as anything but a pro-Palestinian POV.  
At best this article ought to be called "History of the Palestinian national movement", which I doubt is a subject deserving its own article.  I call to delete it.
There is a distinction between nationalism and habitation. The people who would come to think of themselves as Palestinian existed in the region long before 1835. Overall though the important thing is who people think they are. The idea of a Palestinian identity occurred with the falling apart of the Ottoman empire, colonialism, and finally the large immigration of Europeans during the peak eras of Zionism immigration... This led to an awakening of what made them unique and the idea that they were a distinct people. Also, the idea of large scale immigration of Arabs into Palestine in the 19th and 20th century is largely baseless. Yes, there was more people who went immigrated into the region but a lot of the increase in growth was also natural population growth, better census keeping, and the degredation of agriculture on the east bank (Jordan) due to the Hejaz railway. All in all, it didn't account for as much as many would account it for.
Pre-1929 were in no way as severe as they were later. Also, Palestinian idenity at the time was more regional - influenced by the crumbling of the Ottoman empire - rather than Jewish immigration and tension in the region. The ommission of tensions is because they are largely irrelevant to Palestinian idenity.
Once again, the PLO was a terrorist group at the time but that also isn't directly relevant to the formation of Palestinian identity or the history of Palestinians as a people.
As for this having a Palestinian point of view. Typically issues of identity are discussed within that ethnic group. Americans decide what it means to be American (including stories of wagons going to the New World and ommissions of massacres of native americans), British have decided collectively overtime what it means to be "British" and what historical facts have formed that identity, under the same notion Palestinians have formulated their own identity. So, of course the article has a Palestinian point of view... any other point of view would be invalid. 
In closing - we should take down the POV tab. Any objections? Achamy (talk) 21:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this article necessary?

message: This article doesn't expend on the main article, and therefore redundant. Anyone in favor say aye TFighterPilot (talk) 10:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Renaming will not be suffice without a complete rewrite to differentiate it from the main article. TFighterPilot (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's in favor of melding this article with "Palestinian people"? 

message: *Following a non-active move proposal of [ this article ], i revive it and propose to merge it into History of the Palestinian people, since "History of Palestinian nationality" is essentially the last chapter of the Palestinian Arab history and largely overlaps the Palestinian nationality (there are almost no non-Arab Palestinian citizens in the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip). Please vote "Support" or "Oppose" with a proper explanation.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: here is source that saying the origin of the palestinians are not from palestine and they came as migrant workers in the late 19th century  https://books.google.com/books?id=5e8fUmqEuNIC&pg=PA139&dq=Palestinians+of+today+are+descended+came+from+many+nationalities:+%E2%80%9CBalkans,+Greeks,+Syrians,+Latins,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OZNjVez1CMzSUdaLgLgB&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Palestinians%20of%20today%20are%20descended%20came%20from%20many%20nationalities%3A%20%E2%80%9CBalkans%2C%20Greeks%2C%20Syrians%2C%20Latins%2C&f=false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orcohen45 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid Randall Price's book Unholy War doesn't satisfy the requirements of WP:Identifying reliable sources. Instead of trawling for another source, please discuss your proposed change here and try to build consensus for it before you add it to the article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  the origin of the palestinians 

message: A good source is needed for when "Palestinians" rather than "Palestinian Arabs" or "Palestine Arabs" became commonplace.  It is very easy to find examples earlier than the year 1964 stated in the article, in mainstream sources.  For example, NYT  25 Apr 1962: "King Saud told Palestinians 'in all parts of the wide earth' last night that Palestine 'cannot be liberated except by the blood of Palestinians'".  Irish Times 12 Aug 1960: "Palestinians train" (article title).  TImes of India 16 Feb 1960: "..representatives to the new Council should be elected by the Palestinians themselves,... Elections among the Palestinians...".  NYT 12 Mar 1958: "Egypt giving Palestinians right to elect members of Strip's assembly...Palestinians living in the area..."  It's easy to find scores of examples.  But a source is needed. Zerotalk 09:51, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but its an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary sources. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  name 

message: "The Arab population of Palestine traces their history to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 640 CE" What does "traces their history" even mean? Is it implying that all Palestinians are Saudi Arabian? Makeandtoss (talk) 08:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't noticed that. This is clearly incorrect - the article Palestinians states that they trace their origin to all the different peoples in the region. Arafat used to enjoy talking about Jebusites and Canaanites if I remember correctly. Oncenawhile (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Extraordinary claims

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm new and can't edit this article but Kimmerling and Migdal give the origin of Palestinian bedouin tribes on p. 4-5 here: https://books.google.com/books?id=6NRYEr8FR1IC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA7&focus=viewport  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhachev (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Source 

message: Currently the early history section makes 2 claims:
# The Arab population of Palestine traces their history to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 640 CE - this claim is unsourced. Per WP:EXCEPTIONAL, this statement requires very high quality sources.
# Dome of the Rock, one of the oldest Mosques in the world, was completed in 691 CE. There is no explanation how this fact relates to history of the Palestinians. Was Dome of Rock built by Palestinians, for Palestinians, or something else entirely ? If the relevance cannot be sufficiently explained (with proper sources), this statement has no place in the article. 
If neither of the statements is relevant/supportable, the whole section has to be removed. “WarKosign” 12:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree both should be removed. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been over a week, no objection or clarification was heard. “WarKosign” 07:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early history sources 

message: Edit the Following:
"...Since 1964, they have been referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيين‎, al-filastiniyyin), but before that they were usually referred to as Palestinian Arabs (Arabic: العربي الفلسطيني‎, al-'arabi il-filastini)." - 
Insert:
"Palestine's Early Roots,
"Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C."  Citation: History.com Staff. “Palestine.” History.com, 108.48.53.87 (talk) 21:48, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Can you please provide a specific source (URL is fine) for that? Thanks for your edit request. Please understand that Anything that you want to add to Wikipedia must be WP:VERIFIABLE from WP:RS. So kindly provide a reliable source for your edit request.--DBigXray 10:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be a case of WP:BLUE. There are countless sources showing that Palestine (region) is called after Philistines, and Palestinian peopled called themselves after the region. This is explained in depth here, already linked from this article in the first sentense. The real reason not to include is why is it relevant? There is no connection between Palestinians and Philistines, except the name. “WarKosign” 11:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 June 2018 

message: In this sentence:
:It is referred to by most Palestinians and Arabs as the Nakba (), meaning "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm".
Make Nakba a hyperlink to Nakba article, like so:
:It is referred to by most Palestinians and Arabs as the Nakba (), meaning "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm".
Thank you SomethingForDeletion (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actualcpscm (talk) 11:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2023