Talk:Klaus Fleming

message: Accoring to wiki rules, the original name Klas Fleming should be used, not the Finnish translation.
Teuton 13:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You just do not get it! For medieval and pre-modern names, it made no difference what language the owner of the name spoke. Whe ever wrote the name down on paper used his own language. Names just did not have languare, they had different renderings in all languages. -- Petri Krohn 05:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The translation of original names in Finnish/Swedish history was invented by some Finnish historians and culminated in the 1930ies. However, this is not even relevant as we are speaking about English Wiki. There is little logical reason for translating the names into Finnish here. /Teuton 16:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: * Strong Oppose:  Using quote/unquote signs around said wordings in Google;  "Klaus Fleming" gives 1840 results.  "Klas Fleming" gives 557 results.  When trying "Claus Fleming" (38 results), Google asks you:  "Did you mean "Klaus Fleming".  
:As this person was referred to by different titles ahead of his name (and so were those using the name Klas), no title must be used in a search engine test.  Furthermore, that sort of test really doesn't have a whole lot of usefulness/value in this case, anyway - due to a number of reasons. 
:We do not know what languages this person spoke (probably Finnish, Swedish, French, Latin ...?), nor should that issue play any role in this "name" consideration anyway, regardless of the ways he spoke, dressed, behaved, etc.  So, let us not even begin speculating that question.  
:During earlier times it was fashionable for Finns to use Latin (Alopaeus, Chydenius, Hackzelius, Sibelius ... Cadolin, etc.) or Swedish (e.g. Lind - as in Arvi Lind) versions/translations of their names in official and/or written use.  That did not make a person more Swedish or less Finnish, of course. 
:Either Swedish or Finnish (or both) still today can be an official native language, a mother tongue, of a Finn.  What matters here is, that this particular person's name appears to have been Klaus Fleming. 
:Swedish Speaker 10:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Klaus''', although in the same (more distant) family also ''Klas'' was used

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at WP:RM#Steps for requesting a controversial page move did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for your time! -- tariqabjotu 04:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might make sense to rename this article with some disambiguation addition, and redirect "Klaus Fleming" to the disambiguation page now at Klas Fleming; I've added another earlier one mentioned in the article about the family, plus the Swedish ship, to the disambiguation page.  Gene Nygaard 16:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Request

message: Klas Fleming was never a finish nobleman since there was no finnish state at that time. --Dahlis 00:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish Nobleman 

message: Because unless theres a partiuclalry good reason, a portrait of someone's corpse being insulted by someone living is probably not the best representation of that person. I mean, really, id be glad to see it removed unless this makes some special sense that was not discussed in the article. If there IS such a reason, it should be in the article. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 03:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I similarly support this, and as it has not been addressed in 6 years am removing it. Dbsseven (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is King Charles 'insulting' the corpse?