Talk:Hero of Belarus

message: Well, if you folks stumble onto this article, you will see more additions to it. I am trying to get this article to the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, so if you have any suggestions, issues, comments, anything, just let me know. Thanks, Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:20, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro by author 

message: Ok, right now, I am going to compare this article and the criteria of an FA Candidate.
=== The Criteria ===
# Exemplify Wikipedia's very best work.  Represent what Wikipedia offers that is unique on the Internet.
**I think that if everything below is in line, this should be taken care of. Plus, the drawings I did can show what artisitic skills Wikipedians have.
# Be comprehensive, factually accurate, stable, and well-written. Read Great Writing and The Perfect Article to see how high the bar can be set. 
#* Comprehensive: Covers the topic in its entirety; does not omit any major facts or details. 
***Check. We covered the design, history and recipients. Though, I still need to add what benefits the Heroes recieve.
#* Accurate: Supports facts with specifics and external citations (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). Includes references, arranged in a ==References== section and enhanced by the appropriate use of inline citations (see Wikipedia:Cite sources).
***I got the references cited, but I should probably change the format.
#* Stable: Should be mostly static, and not change rapidly from day to day.
***Check.
#* Well-written: Compelling, even "brilliant" prose—the former name for featured articles.
***Check.
# Be uncontroversial (see Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles) and not have ongoing edit wars (see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes).
**Check.
# Comply with the standards set in the style manual, as well as relevant WikiProjects. This includes having a lead section which is brief but sufficient to summarize the entire topic, headings and have a substantial, but not overwhelming table of contents (see Wikipedia:Section).
**Check.
# Have images where appropriate, with good captions and acceptable copyright status.  However, an article does not have to have a picture to be featured.
**Check. Two images were drawn by me, two useds a Promotional/Government photos.
If there is anything else anyone wants to add, go right ahead, but I feel ok about it being FA. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC 

message: # Exemplify Wikipedia's very best work.  Represent what Wikipedia offers that is unique on the Internet.
**I think that if everything below is in line, this should be taken care of. Plus, the drawings I did can show what artisitic skills Wikipedians have.
# Be comprehensive, factually accurate, stable, and well-written. Read Great Writing and The Perfect Article to see how high the bar can be set. 
#* Comprehensive: Covers the topic in its entirety; does not omit any major facts or details. 
***Check. We covered the design, history and recipients. Though, I still need to add what benefits the Heroes recieve.
#* Accurate: Supports facts with specifics and external citations (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). Includes references, arranged in a ==References== section and enhanced by the appropriate use of inline citations (see Wikipedia:Cite sources).
***I got the references cited, but I should probably change the format.
#* Stable: Should be mostly static, and not change rapidly from day to day.
***Check.
#* Well-written: Compelling, even "brilliant" prose—the former name for featured articles.
***Check.
# Be uncontroversial (see Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles) and not have ongoing edit wars (see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes).
**Check.
# Comply with the standards set in the style manual, as well as relevant WikiProjects. This includes having a lead section which is brief but sufficient to summarize the entire topic, headings and have a substantial, but not overwhelming table of contents (see Wikipedia:Section).
**Check.
# Have images where appropriate, with good captions and acceptable copyright status.  However, an article does not have to have a picture to be featured.
**Check. Two images were drawn by me, two useds a Promotional/Government photos.
If there is anything else anyone wants to add, go right ahead, but I feel ok about it being FA. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Criteria 

message: Well, a person mentioned we should have bios on all of the Heroes, since there is five of them (to my last count). The following people I have not found bios on.
*Aleksandr Dubko
**Deceased, was leader of the Agrarian Party of Belarus, also was a Presidential Candidate.
*Vitalius Kremko
**Not sure about this gentleman
*Pavel luk'yanovich Mariyev
**He is a Member of the PERMANENT COMMISSION FOR THE ECONOMY, BUDGET and FINANCES, so we can find information on him.
Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bios 

message: I will try to get this section finished today. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:00, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privleges 

message: Score! Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:17, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:FA 

message: Everyone knows that Alexander Lukashenko is a very modest man, but I think his name should be mentioned in a more prominent
place of the article. It would not only add credibility to the "Hero of Belarus" title but also put it in the right perspective for an unaware reader. Therefore I propose to mention in the second sentence that Alexander Lukashenko is awarding the title. Lysy 16:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of Lukashenko, how about we use a netural term, like the President of Belarus. Mainly, so the article can stay static for a while. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, it should be fine the way it is right now. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Lukashenko 

message: I removed the picture, since I have no proof that he would have done that. It is just hypothetical, and plus, there was a special medal bar for those awarded two or more hero titles. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubko Medals 

message: I'd like to feature this on the main page, but I have a few requests I'd like to see fulfilled first:
# Can we get at-least stub articles on the 5 guys who got this medal?
# A more-lengthy, more descriptive introduction. 
# Rather than drawings, one or more actual photographs of the medal(s). →Raul654 04:47, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
:I can see what I can do about each hero, but with my luck, it will wind up on VFD. The intro, I can discuss about similar titles. I have found an actual photo of the medal, but I am not sure about the copyright. It is not from the Belarus Government, so I cannot claim PD. However, you can take the photo of Pavieł Maryjaŭ, which was taken from the Council of the Republic website (photo :Image:Mariev.jpg, it can be PD, since the Council of the Republic is a Government body, and the photo was taken by the Government.) Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A few requests

message: Why were they removed? They fairuse claim was obviously justified. Other reasons? --Irpen 02:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Copyright issues. I was a clueless n00b when I uploaded the photos and all have been dealt with. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy  14:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: photos

message: on 1st March Lukashenka gave 5 new "Hero Star"s - to Filaret, Savicki, Vysocki, Prokopovich & Reviako. Here  you can read in russian about this. --Monkbel 10:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Monkbel. I am going to University soon, so I will write this up after I am done with classes. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy  14:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new heroes 

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thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: I have visited this article and also think that it is worth to be a featured article. But I want to warn the authors, that the information is out-of-date. Especially concerning Belarussian legislation. The Resolution N 3726-XII (its proper URL is now http://bankzakonov.com/obsch/razdel26/time1/lavz0438.htm) is outlawed and replaced by another law (http://www.pravo.by/webnpa/text.asp?RN=H10400288). Thats why the link to the http://www.pravo.by doen't work now. If I had time I would do changes but I'm a bit busy now. May be only in 2-3 days. Some other references don't function too.
P.S. Why the lisk of categories sometimes superimposes on my passege & if there are some difficulties with information in Russian I can help to find and to translate?SZv (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: This is a 2006 promotion that needs to be reviewed against current FA standards. 
* The article features uncited information;
* The prose is lacking at times: 
** "When the title was created, a suggested medal was drafted and designed by the government. The major difference between this medal and the current medal is..."
** "The designers are Ivan Lukin and Oleg Gaiko. The printing is offset and full-color. Paper is chalk-overly and rubberized. The size of stamps are 29,6 × 52 mm."
* The "Recipients" section is not FA-worthy, with a substancial mini-bio for Karvat, and stubby, one-sentence long bios for Dubko, Savicki, Vysotsky and so on. One gets the notion that noboby knows much about these gentlemen and why exactly they were awarded the medal.
* The "Recipients" section is written as "X was awarded, Y was awarded, Z was awarded", which is not an engaging read. 
* The references are not well formatted, with a number of them being named "Archived copy" and even two of them that are just numbers.
* The article draws some comparisons to former Soviet Union awards, but it's all very superficial and uncited. RetiredDuke (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA in need of review