Talk:Myanmar/Archive 2

message: The capital of Burma is Rangoon (Yangon). We whould not base the article on an illegitimate military regime, but rather on the view of the majority of the people in Burma! Why should we base the article on the Junta rather than the views of the freedom fighters in the country? Change the references to the capital in the article!
:Despite the illegitimacy of the military regime, the citizens of Burma do not have power. Hence, until power is transferred, what the military regime dictates is fact. It would be like replacing the name of the Head of State of the country, which falsifies information even further, because in actuality, the military leader Than Shwe is in power. --Hintha 02:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY, This place is not for freedom fighters to do their propaganda work. It's an encyclopedia! stop bringing your political rubbish here. Okkar 20:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Capital

message: :Myanmar, officially the Union of Myanmar, is the largest country in geographical area in mainland Southeast Asia.  Also known as Burma or the Union of Burma by bodies and states which do not recognize the ruling military junta, it is bordered by China on the north, Laos on the east, Thailand on the southeast, Bangladesh on the west, and India on the northwest, with the Andaman Sea to the south, and the Bay of Bengal to the southwest. There are over 2,000 kilometres (1,243 mi) of coastline. The country was ruled by a military junta led by General Ne Win from 1962 to 1988, and its political system remains under the tight control of the State Peace and Development Council, its military government, led by Senior General Than Shwe since 1992.
The guidelines for a "Good Article" say that the intro should briefly summarize the whole article.  To that end, I suggest that we also add a second paragraph to this intro, briefly mentioning the long history, many and varied ethnic groups and the present-day domination of the Bamar as a segway into the "Origin and history of the name" section.  Maybe something like:
:Myanmar is populated by a variety of different ethnic and linguistic groups that have all, at various times in its long history, contributed to the richness of the culture.  However, shortly after gaining independence from the United Kingdom in 1948, the Bamar took control of the government and have dominated all areas of life in Myanmar.
It probably needs some work and rewording but I think it is a good idea.  What does everybody else think?--WilliamThweatt 04:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have incorporated the changes to the intro paragraph as they were mostly minor changes.  I will wait for comment before attempting to add a second paragraph to the intro.--WilliamThweatt 18:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The minor changes are good. I've used your ideas and expanded them in the second paragraph. I've also moved the info. about the government and merged them into the second paragraph. Hintha 06:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion for new Intro

message: As part of this project, I randomly checked a few footnotes from this article.  Results were as follows:
#Footnote 3(a)/4. "Major news organisations such as the BBC and western governments, including those of the United States and the United Kingdom, still officially refer to the country as Burma."
#*So-so. From Sites: "Although the SPDC changed the name of the country to "Myanmar," the democratically elected but not convened Parliament of 1990 does not recognize the name change, and the democratic opposition maintains use of the name "Burma." Due to consistent, unyielding support for the democratically elected leaders, the U.S. Government likewise uses "Burma.""; " Britain's policy is to refer to Burma rather than 'Myanmar'. It is the form preferred by the leaders of Burma's democracy movement, the legitimate winners of the 1990 elections, who do not accept that the unelected military regime has the right to change the official name of the country."
#**This supports the US and Britain claims, but does not mention news agencies.  No source is given for the news organizations that do use Myanmar.  Case by case citations of states or organizations' policies is, in any event, less than ideal; could a secondary source that discusses the varying uses possibly be found?
#Footnote 13. "Many major political parties, particularly the National League for Democracy, have been excluded, and little progress has been made."
#*So-so. From site:"The junta expels all of the NLD delegates."  The "little progress" statement is clearly supported as of this article's publication in March 2004, but a more recent article would be a better source for this statement.
#Footnote 26/27. "Dramatic change in the country's political situation remains unlikely, due to support from major regional powers, in particular China."
#*Problem. Both of these articles discuss Burma's close ties to China, but neither specifically discusses this aspect of the relationship.  One article states "Second, China’s armed support may lead to militarization of the military junta who may be reluctant to contemplate political reforms which are necessary for economic development.", but it goes on to describe liberalization of Burma's regime as a relative certainty.  In any event, this statement is an opinion, and should be stated as such (Scholars X and Y assert that...), with appropriate sources.
#Footnote 40. "His administration adopted the Two-Year Economic Development Plan, which was a failure."
#*Checks out. "The Eight-Year Plan was a failure both in the sense of having failed to achieve its targets and also in that it diverted resources away from achievable goals."
#Footnote 70. "Since the 1950s, westernised music has gained popularity, especially in large cities."
#*Problem.  From site: "But young people are increasingly allured by the temptation of western pop culture that still seeps into this isolated nation through pirated videos and CDs, as well as on satellite music stations."
#**Touches on the popularity of Western music with the young, but nothing about the 1950s being the start point or large cities being the center of the phenomenon.
This seems to suffer to some degree from the great plague of Wikipedia citations--referring to sources that are related to but do not directly support the article's statements.  It isn't a terribly severe case, but someone needs to sweep through and make sure that all statements needing citation are cited to a source that directly supports what the article says. --RobthTalk 05:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation spot check

message: I watched a short investigative documentary on Burma and the Regime tonight, and would like to include a fact mentioned there, that Burma spends less on health care than any other country in the world, and accordingly the health of the population suffers. I'm not entirely sure on the best place in the article for  this, anyone like to advise? Thanks. 82.10.65.30 02:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I realise this is an old question but it has not yet been answered. The best place to put such a fact is probably within the 'economy' section. The only problem here is finding a reliable source to support what you are trying to say - even though most of the world would be in agreement with you - that is not enough for Wikipedia - you must find an internet link to support your facts! Not a newspaper or a book, Lol. Pigeonshouse 19:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Spending 

message: I've made a bunch of corrections to the section covering WWII. First, the Karen Rifles were not involved in fighting the Japanese. While the unit was formed in 1945, it did not take the field until after the war was over. The same would be true for the Kachin Rifles (which were not mentioned). The Karens who participated in the 1945 uprising had been armed by British SOE teams as had many other groups in Burma. They can nomially be called Karen Levies, but no force called "Karen Levies" existed in as far as I know. (there were Karen Levies in 1942 however).
First Burma Division was mentioned but Burma Rifles is more appropriate. The Burma Rifles were in continuous existance during the war (though only one battalion in strength after 1942).
The force that fought with the Japanese in 1942 was the Burma Independence Army. That force was followed by the Burma Defense Army and the Burma National Army in succession. The Japanese also created sub-forces in the border areas. In Arakan there was the Arakan Defense/National Army and there was the Chin Defense Force (I think that was the name) in the Chin Hills. The Arakan forces of the Japanese went over to the allies before the BNA did.
The British gave the Americans a sector of Northern Burma and allowed them to recruit Kachins in the area. They became the Kachin Rangers late in the war. But its generally wrong to say that all Kachins who fought with the Americans were part of the Kachin Rangers.
168.127.0.51 18:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Units in the second world war 

message: Myanmar/Burma → Myanmar – An editor came along and unilaterally moved it from "Myanmar" to "Myanmar/Burma" without discussion. This move has been discussed many times over the history of the page and the consensus has always been to keep it at "Myanmar" since this is the official name of the country and including "Burma" in the pagename would reflect a POV bias. I can't change it back myself because "Myanmar" became a redirect when it was moved. WilliamThweatt 14:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old requested move

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support - Myanmar is the official name of the country and it is only called Burma by some in the US and the UK where even media organizations are beginning to refer to the country as Burma.
*Speedy close, and move back - an RM re-vote is not needed to restore a consensus that has lasted a long time, especially as this move was made wholly without discussion.  Get an admin to move it back to Myanmar now, and if the editors wish to change that situation they can go through WP:RM Aquilina 14:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey1

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*I moved this as a speedy, given that there had already been extensive discussion of the naming issue and there had been no new discussion in support of the recent move. older ≠ wiser 14:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion1

message: The discussion on german wikipedia came to an opposite result than the english wikipedia: The administrative capital was moved to Naypyidaw but the capital is still the Yangon. For me this is the same with the netherlands where Amsterdam is capital but The Hague is the centre of goverment. The problem I have is that different countries come to different results and if this is the point a didputed tag should be put on all Myanmar capitals in all wikipedias until a result is found.--Stone 14:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It changed a few minutes ago so now I am really confused!--Stone 15:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  195.212.29.92 changed it without discussion!--Stone 15:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The Auswärtiges Amt (German government) is a little undesided staing in the text Naypyidaw and on the small screen to the right rangon (yangon).--Stone 16:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having a footnote would work well here, stating that "Naypyidaw" is the capital, but that many countries still recognize "Yangon" as the capital. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs website is probably not updated often.--Hintha 18:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Capital

message: Does the Travel Department allow me to go to Myanmar?
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You don't say where you are from, but Americans are allowed to go to Myanmar without difficulty.
Netdance 04:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restrictions on travel to Myanmar 

message: Four species of Early Cenozoic primates have been found in Myanmar: Amphipithecus Colbert, 1937, Bahinia Jaegar et. al., 1999, Pondaungia Pilgrim, 1927, and Myanmarpithecus Takai et. al., 2001. They are all known from the late middle Eocene Pondaung Formation of Central Myanmar, also famous for  large mammals. The presence of early anthropoids in Myanmar adds evidence to the assertion that anthropoids originated in Asia.
Pilgrim, G. E. (1927) Mem. Geol. Surv. India 1-26.
Colbert, E. H. (1937) Am. Mus. Novit. 651, 1-18.
Jaeger, J.-J., Thein, T., Benammi, M., Chaimanee, Y., Soe, A. N., Lwin, T., Wai, S. & Ducrocq, S. (1999) Science 286, 528-530.
Takai, M., Shigehara, N., Aung, A. K., Tun, S. T., Soe, A. N., Tsubamoto, T. & Thein, T. (2001) J. Hum. Evol. 40, 393-409. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.194.116.63 (talk) 01:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinct Burmese primates 

message: Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.
Thanks
Atulsnischal 00:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wildlife of Myanmar]]

message: I read and reverted a contribution by Abc.aggaon Muslims in Myanmar. I appreciated Abc.agga's hard work and good intent but the contribution was far too long and contained too much material that was off-topic or advocating a specific point of view. (It also contained a few comments that might be regarded by some as anti-semitic.)
I left a message asking Abc.agga to consider instead adding material to pages devoted to Muslims in Burma. I also urged Abc.agga to adhere to Wikipedia guidelines concerning editing with a neutral point of view (NPOV) and to try to be more succinct! SimonBillenness 17:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Abc.agga, just be sure to say NCGUB and USCB is great in the first few lines of your article, I'm sure Simon will leave your articles alone after that. Okkar 21:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Muslims in Myanmar]]

message: I'm not sure if anyone can help me with this, but is it true there are only 4 usable IP addresses? 24.6.118.254 16:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not true, but what you are seeing is the ip addresses of 4 proxy servers from Bagan Cybertech, which most internet users use to browse the web 'etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Okkar (talk • contribs) 13:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IP Adresses?

message: I realize that this article has been nominated for Featured Article status (and was not promoted), but has anyone nominated it for Good Article status?  Usually this is required to give an article an A-class rating.  If the article gets GA status, then it is definitely on its way to FA. - cgilbert(talk|contribs) 12:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Status? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BurmaPavilion.jpg

message: Hi,
Can anyone please check the entry about Burma at Timeline of women's suffrage?
# Is this information correct in the first place?
# The flag there is definitely wrong, but i couldn't find any other flag that will the year 1922.
Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 09:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of women's suffrage - year anf flag 

message: Not entirely sure how this section is relevant to the article about the Country, perhaps it should be removed? It looks more like WikiTravel material than anything else Pigeonshouse 19:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dance 

message: The first line under the History section reads:
"The crab people are thought to be the earliest group to mutants into the lower Ayeyarwady valley, and by the mid-900s BC were dominant in southern Myanmar.[7]"
I checked the source, it mentions the Mon people and nothing about any Mutants. Could somebody please verify.
Aaranh 01:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Myanmar