Talk:Chang Hsueh-liang

message: Noting his English name and the fact that he spent a good part of his life in Taiwan, I think Mr. Zhang personally went by "Chang Hsueh-liang" instead of Zhang Xueliang. The pinyin is more popular on google though. Which one should we use? --Jiang 08:48, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's think of remaing to Wade-Giles. Pinyin is from Communist China and I do not consider it proper for his name.--Jusjih 00:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It was the contemporary spelling (since pinyin did not yet exist) and is normal in English. Independently of later politics, this article really should be moved. Both should be used in the article. (Pinyin is as simplistic as WG; both require explanation for people who only speak English.) Septentrionalis 17:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinyin or [[Wade-Giles]] 

message: This article uses both spellings. We should probably stick to one to avoid confusion
:Right, but we better confirm whether to use Wade-Giles or Pinyin. I do not consider Pinyin appropriate for his name here.--Jusjih 00:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chang resides in the United States after released by Chiang Kai Shek. What was his name written like when he was in the US? — Instantnood 20:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It is a bit crazy to pinyinise every Chinese subjects.  This article ought not be pinyinised. 1) Chang is not an ancient figure like Han's emperors.  He do have his romanised name with him and he know about it.  2) At Chang's time, it is exclusively using Wade-Giles.  If a researcher looks for articles about him from English newspaper at that time, it must be in Chang, not Zhang.  The act rewriting others' names is somehow like rewriting the history.  — HenryLi (Talk) 21:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chang or Zhang 

message: According to the article's birth and death dates, Zhang was 100 when he died yet the article says 101.  Which part is incorrect?
TJSwoboda 07:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that latter is probably his Chinese age. According to Chinese ages, people are born at age one and add a new age at the passing of the new year.--Jiang 11:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Any idea why Chiang Kai-shek spared Zhang Xueliang, but had Yang Hucheng killed?  I couldn't figure why Chiang had different reactions to the both of them.  Constrainer 20:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chiang was very similar to Mao. Chiang crippled the KMT from the inside in a paranoid effort to maintain power after the Xi'an Incident (that is, too early), but Mao waited until he firmly controlled China (the mid-1950s) before crippling the CCP from the inside in paranoid efforts to maintain power. Chiang had numerous generals executed after 1938 because he was paranoid about his officers' loyalty; he knew that Zhang was no threat to him under house arrest, so there was no reason to have him killed.Ferox Seneca (talk) 02:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhang Xueliang vs Yang Hucheng 

message: I think this article reflects little over the significant impact The Young Marshal had on Mao Zedongs rise to power. Maybe something should be added?
No, he was a good friend of Zhou Enlai, but had no connection with Mao.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.211.44 (talk) 01:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations to Mao Zedong 

message: Wasn't there consensus to keep the article name in pinyin? 92.34.118.138 (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinyin 

message: *Either way we go, both should be included in the lead. 
*This issue is political. 
*In favor of Wade-Giles: 
**He used it. 
**Historical documents at that time used it. 
**PRC never had de facto no jurisdiction over him.
*In favor of pinyin: 
**It has become more common to spell his name this way.
**Notable things about his life took place in the Mainland, which uses pinyin today.
Is there an existing Wikipedia policy that can mediate between these conflicting points? Yel D'ohan (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles#Romanisation It does give people as an exception to the usual requirement to use Mandarin Pinyin but gives little details WhisperToMe (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you so much for finding these! I now have "strong support" as per your evidence. NOTE: The New York Times and the BBC do use Zhang Xueliang but all the others use Chang Hsueh-liang. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary of points so far

message: Is there any actual proof of this affair? ----  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.107.112.230 (talk) 22:08, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edda Mussolini