Talk:Portuguese Communist Party

message: Joaopais, the candidature of Veloso, that had been accepted by the Constitutional Court, was removed shortly before the election after an agreement between the PCP, the PRD and Zenha. So, the PCP supported Zenha at the day of the election, and that's shown in the election article as Zenha had the majority in Beja, Évora and Setúbal, the communist strongholds. The communists voted for Zenha, so, the Party's candidate was Zenha. And one more thing, I wrote the article of the election myself, I don't need to refer to it. Regards! Afonso Silva 16:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Salgado Zenha vs Ângelo Veloso

message: Is the PCP the only party not persecuted during the Purge?
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thread_title:  Noone killed in Moscow? 

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message: Like it never happened.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.203.58.101 (talk) 21:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Being a coup against organized by the conservative wing of MFA to counter the party itself it should be mentioned, I agree. Why don't you develop the history section? 2.81.162.192 (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This doesn't mention 25 de Novembro 

message: I think the political position for this party should either be changed or removed. For a long time the political position had stood in the info box as "left-wing to far-left". However this has recently been changed to just left-wing by one editor. I would argue the party is far-left, at the very least to a certain degree. This is due to its ideological basis. Communist and Marxist-Leninist parties are virtually always far-left, due to the extreme nature of these combined ideological stances and the belief in the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Currently neither position has been evidenced, nor discussed, nor received consensus for this party and some sort of discussion should have happened here before changing a long standing position. I have tried to revert things to the way they were, until there had been proper discussion and I offered to use talk here, only to have my edits constantly reverted. I see no reason why this should have been changed. Only one editors perspective was given for the change, no evidence, nor consensus. A change such as this should have been given evidence and / or discussion before being changed. If a position cannot be agreed upon I would opt that it be removed from the info box of this page. Helper201 (talk) 11:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your comment above underscores how subjective this is. First of all, using "x to y" is meaningless, 'Far-left' and 'Left' are not mutually exclusive, 'far left' is covered by 'left'. What we see across many wiki articles is difficulty to agree on a position, since different editors see the political spectrum differently. I vote for the removal of 'position' across all infoboxes. --Soman (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I would opt to keep positions as they can usually be well cited, although I understand where you are coming from. Regardless that is a matter for a wider page regarding politics on Wikipedia. I am merely putting forward that this be returned to the way it had long stood. This way it keeps two positions, of which I'd assume virtually everyone would agree it meets the criteria for at least one of the two, if not both. Its usually the case that if someone wants to make a significant change to what has long stood, they either provide evidence or engage in discussion first, of which neither has been done here. On the other hand if there is still no consensus I would opt for the removal of the position, for this page. Helper201 (talk) 15:22, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  In case of no consensus, you should keep it. Also, this discussion should go on for a bit longer. --B.Lameira (talk) 08:20, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

text:  And the PCP no longer advocates for the dictatorship of the proletariat, you seem to be a little biased towards leftist parties with a bit of subjective analysis. You should classify the Left Bloc as "far-left" in that case, simply because it has Trotskyists who were part of the PSR prior to its foundation. --B.Lameira (talk) 08:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, if there is no consensus things should be kept as they are, and may I remind you that you are the one that initially made the change that lead to this discussion. Therefore it should change back to the way it stood for a long time before you recently changed it (which was left-wing to far-left). You are the one that made the change, you should have discussed it first. Since there was disagreement I reverted to a more neutral state by not placing either. To simply go and revert is very unhelpful and your basically edit warring now. Since you reverted before even discussing here. Helper201 (talk) 13:05, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or maybe no one really paid attention to it, I want this subject to not be superficially debated. --B.Lameira (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's your perspective, not fact. However I respect the proposition of the matter being discussed. Either way, as you yourself have acknowledged, discussion should have took place before you made the initial change. Therefore it should either be reverted back to the way it was, or we can opt for the neutral option of removing it entirely until there has been consensus and evidence provided. Helper201 (talk) 10:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you were the one who decided to make the initial change, do not be manipulative. Soman only stopped reverting because the user in question did not want to engage in a edit war. I would say you are being quite disruptive. In matter of fact, I do not hear this party being called "far-left" unless in a pejorative use and context. --B.Lameira (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to either change the position or remove it 

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message: The section on quotes should be removed immediately. Wikipedia should never uses quotes as the way  typed things, the current quotes gives a soapbox for the party, this is against Wikipedia's terms on a NPOV, BunnyHopp there is way to twist this it will be removed. It doesn't constitute a NPOV. However please state your rational for keeping it which it won't because the way it is constituted can and will never be allowed on Wikipedia. Vallee01 (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's WP:NPOV. Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources, the party itself being one, should be stated as Wikipedia's voice. In this case, the facts they point out is what the ideologies of the party are - being thus unconstested. I only to hear the final concerns of the colleagues over at Marxism-leninism to remove the quotes here - it will be sourced in the page of the ideology itself. BunnyyHop (talk) 22:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section on quotes 

message: What is the rationale for keeping the «neutrality is disputed» template when the «dispute» has ended? This tag is not for a single editor to filibuster or complain about an article when they don't get their way. --BunnyyHop (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article isn't neutral it uses weasel words, constantly soapboxes for the PCP, mis-use of quotes, you also removed a section which details that the party lost support through the 1990s simply because you don't like it. Removing a tag that is in dispute isn't allowed. We can call for the article to be reviewed, for neutrality as it's not neutral. you added a large amount of POV pushing sections. Des Vallee (talk) 01:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which? --BunnyyHop (talk) 01:18, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See the extensive details on mis-use of quotes, Pro-soapboxing as a stated member of the PCP, stating things like Socialism or Communism is required, pro-Marxist-Leninist agenda etc... Other editors have stated the neutrality is extremely pushing this has already made clear above and you already know this why are you then asking I don't know. Des Vallee (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I removed the NPOV tag, per Template:POV#When to remove: It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given., as well as the 3O provided by Springnuts above. pandakekok9 (talk) 06:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Springnuts went directly against BunnyyHop, the third. moreover other users have stated the neutrality is nonsense, if we look at the discussion multiple users have pointed out BunnyyHop's POV sections such as the removing of "relatively small" numerous times. A strange waffle when users have made it extremely clear the extreme overuse of quotes gives a complete soapbox to PCP. Des Vallee (talk) 15:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  So far, only you have brought this up, I don't really understand which users you're talking about. What users? What «extreme overuse of quotes»? Removing «relatively small» is a «POV section»? BunnyyHop (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

text:  Springnuts and Sam1370 only went against BunnyyHop on the "relatively small" issue, and Bunnyy dropped the issue after Springnuts provided their third opinion. For the rest of the "issues" you claim, you are pretty much alone on that. Again, I've yet to see what really is the issue here, and I haven't seen a satisfactory explanation from your side. pandakekok9 (talk) 03:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality template 

message: , , , , just to name a few of the portuguese language users with deep sympathy towards the PCP have absolute rule over the portuguese language version of this page and have posted blatant disinformation and party propaganda as facts to the point that it is completly compromised. Under no circunstances should that page be used as a standart for the english language page, which although still slightly biased towards the PCP, it still is far more neutral than the portuguese language page will ever be. The extreme left-wing bias in the portuguese politics pages remains a stain in Wikipedia's reputation and integrity. TheRealDiogoFaro (talk) 18:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: that's a problem for the Portuguese version of the page, an irrelevant to this one Castroonthemoon (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Well, that just means we think our article might be improved if we were to translate some content from the Portuguese Wikipedia. Now, if neutrality on the Portuguese article is as compromised as you say, maybe that's a bad idea! (I can't check; I don't read Portuguese, alas.) But it's basically just a routine tag. At the end of the day the English Wikipedia doesn't have any jurisdiction over any articles on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps you could look up what sort of dispute resolution is available on the Portuguese Wikipedia? Sorry that most of us here probably can't be too helpful since most of us don't know Portuguese. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

text: That doesn't sound so great. In fairness, if you expand the tag on the article, it does point out: "Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low-quality. If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article." So hopefully if indeed the Portuguese text is as bad as you say, people will realize this and not translate it. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The portuguese version of this page is seriously compromised by PCP militants 

message: I recently found a non-neutral addition to this article. The sources accompanying the additions are uncomfortably biased, inconsistent with the text, and generally long written. Therefore, it is absurd that 'anti-reformism' and 'euroscepticism' were added to the ideology. I think there is a serious problem with the content, and it is necessary to delete it.----아키라 (talk) 18:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Standards are not something I can define. I'm just a user trying to meet Wikipedia standards, you just have to read and familiarize yourself with two articles. I say in this article that it is very unhealthy and destructive to put an ideological emphasis on anti-revisionism and Eurosectism. 아키라 (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality