Talk:Christodoulos of Athens

message: The article needs info about his consignment with John Paul II and the reactions from both sides about it. 30/01/2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.132.102.84 (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Consignment with the Pope

message: According to the wikipedia entry here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address the correct title for a metropolitan or archbishop is His Eminence ...
"His Eminence (abbreviation "HE", oral address Your Eminence) — Cardinals of the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Metropolitans and Archbishops, certain high Tibetan Lamas."
however on the wikipedia entry for the archbishop here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christodoulos
begins like this: "His Beatitude the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece Christodoulos..."
as does the archbishop's web page on the church of greece's site: http://www.ecclesia.gr/English/archbishop/index.html
Which is correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Direction (talk • contribs) 11:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Archbishop Christodoulos is the primate of an Autocephalous Church then his title is styled as: "His Beatitude."
--Calak 16:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's a suggestion. If you think other activities of the Archbishop have been omitted, why not add them to the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.67.215 (talk) 00:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *The title is correct, but it is not applicable to all Orthodox bishops -- only Primates of Churches, except that of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. The new patriarchates (such as that of Moscow) also use "His Holiness" but it is not recognised by the Ecumenical See.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also there's nothing particularly Latin (Romish) about the title. The canonical status if the Church of Greece has long been regularised with the patriarch. I agree that the title "and All (country)" is not warranted by canons generally, but it is a long-standing tradition for primates' titles.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christodoulos's Title: 'His Beatitude' or 'His Eminence' 

message: The whole article has a hostile attitude towards the Archbishop. I don't think it's very accurate since most of the edits have been done under anonymous users / IPs. Iaberis (talk) 17:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 71.106.93.90 (talk) 07:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who has verifiable information is welcome to contribute. pinikas (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How accurate is this article? 

message: According to this article (in German) of the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation Archbishop Christodoulos was excommunicated by the Holy Synod of Constantinople in 2004. Is this correct? Gugganij (talk) 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually yes, there was a crisis in 2004 that resulted in a "decision of the Synod of the Patriarchate to suspend Eucharistic communion with Archbishop Christodoulos and place him out of the Diptychs of the Church of Constantinople" (), whatever that means. Cf. Greek press report . The website I cited does explain this as "a form of excommunication". I haven't yet dug up how that affair ended; I'm sure there was some form of reconciliation. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find any information about reconciliation on the web, which I need to put that (referenced) information in the German Wikipedia (see: :de:Christodoulos I. (Athen)) into perspective. If you find any I would appreciate if you could post it here. Thanxs in advance. Gugganij (talk) 05:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I just realised that the article in the German Wikipedia was changed accordingly, though without reference. Thus, any information about reconciliation is still welcome. Gugganij (talk) 05:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: *Temporary suspension of eucharistic communion is not exactly excommunication. The same happened between Moscow and the Ecumenical See in 1996 -- on the Moscow initiative, but surely that could not possibly mean the Patriarch of Moscow excommunicating the ecumenical Patriarch.Muscovite99 (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *For information: The reconcilation had been achieved by June 1st of the same year essentially on the Phanar's terms, according to the media reports  -- the synopsis in Russian.Muscovite99 (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excommunicated? 

message: *Would anyone in the know clarify - by exactly what procedure he was "democratically elected".Muscovite99 (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *The Holy Synod implying ALL the diocesan bishops?Muscovite99 (talk) 14:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election

message: Although his "official" biography mentions xanthi, he himself told in an interview on the public channel ERT ("Portrait" seen on 30/01/2008) that he was born in Athens!--XPHCTOC (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read one biography on the web somewhere (can't remember the link unfortunately) that said he was born in Xanthi but the family moved to Athens only one or two years later (i.e. during WWII). So Athens seems to be where he grew up. As long as we don't have an exact transcript of his wording in that interview, I think it's safer to stick with what the official biography and the obituaries in the press have. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm still not mad I know what Christodoulos said. As I wrote on the french and greek wiki he was born in Athens (there were some complications with the pregnancy of his mother so she moved to Athens). It's incredible to believe some irresponsible journalists and not the Archibishop himself. Sorry for my poor english:p --84.101.187.111 (talk) 22:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All the articles I've read state that he was born in Norther Greece, so that would imply Xanthi, not Athens. El Greco(talk) 22:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christodoulos was born in Athens not xanthi 

message: It is not "ahistorical". It is a historical fact, regardless of present circumstances and the existence of the EU. Facts are facts, even if the truth hurts for some. Is it possible, for instance, to equate the Visigoths, the Vandals, the Huns, and certain head-hunting Celtic tribes over the Alps with the Roman republic? Is it possible to equate the Golden Age of Greece with the Dark Ages of Northern Europe? And who was it that brought in the Renaissance after that episode? Please note, I am neither a Greek nor an advocator of the style of Christodoulos, just an observer.
J.D.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.171.177 (talk) 05:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:   "ultimately ahistorical division between the Greek and European culture at large" 

message: To the anon user  aka : when people ask you politely to discuss instead of reverting, then please come here and discuss. See my note on User talk:62.74.8.214 in case you didn't see it. Otherwise, your version will soon be reverted again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, you just can't go on and use phrases like he was greatly supported as more than three million democratic Greeks. Especially in an encyclopaedia. pinikas (talk) 10:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello? Anybody at home? 

message: This article reeks of anti-Greek/anti-Christian POV. One of the admins should STEP UP and either lock it so no hateful anon can mess with it or delete it altogether.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.250.2 (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is suggesting that the late archbishop was the "antichrist" or anything nearly as ridiculous (unlike similar characterizations hurled by his supporters against perceived opponents). Moreover, criticisms of the archbishop are not anti-greek in nature, nor are they anti-christian. You are setting up an obvious strawman here, I'm afraid. 62.1.250.70 (talk) 00:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The stench of POV: Is Christodoulous the AntiChrist? 

message: Two posters (literally!) by an unknown group of anarchist thugs "thanking cancer" for its toll on the archbishop do not constitute "encyclopedic material" any more than random graffiti in your home street does. I'm removing the entry in question because it is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Porfyrios (talk) 11:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-notable 

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