Talk:Jennifer O'Neill

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message: Based on conversations here and various user talk pages, it seems that the most civil way to have the  and  templates removed is to add more third-party reliable sources.  Here are some suggestions you can find sources:
* Articles on People.com (I updated the article with two references from this site)
* Articles from The New York Times
* Change the external links at the end of the article to references that support individual sentences.
* Copy any appropriate references from Wikipedia articles that link to Jennifer O'Neill
* Google search
* Dig up offline magazine interviews, such as Good Housekeeping 1965, Vogue October 15, 1967 and Cosmopolitan February 1973
I hope that others can suggest more possible resources.
I also suggest people add inline templates such as , ,  or  to those sentences most in need of references or rewording.
Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: MikeWaznoski is the one who has actually crossed the line and made a personal attack on me! This is apparent from his response on his talk page. He has stated that "...the maintenance tags stay". How does HE get to decide and make the final decision, simply because he decides he is going to?  I do not understand.  As to further discussion as to content, it is also stated here (above) that autobios are not favored source of information, and O'Neill's should not be either because "....her autobiography is a self-serving attempt to make her life appear what she wants it to be, not a neutral examination of her life." This broad statement, however applicable it may be in other circumstances, does not apply here. However, as is clearly chronicled and discussed in her autobio autobiography, O'Neill has had nine miscarriages, a broken nose three times, one suicide attempt with pills and later electroshock therapy at a mental facility she checked in to during her first marriage for stress, a broken back and neck in three places from a horse back riding accident, a breast cancer tumor (benign), her daughter's sexual abuse by her fifth husband John Lederer, who also went through all her money leaving her broke, an accidental gunshot wound to herself in the navel, and an unfaithful sixth husband Richard A. Alan who cheated on her with prostitutes. O'Neill says that she wrote this autobiography (her first book) "…at the prompting of her children." Do this in any way sound like an attempt to make her life appear what it was NOT?  Hardly so.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.230.182 (talk) 14:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this does sound like an attempt to make her life what it may or may not be.  A statement like that makes her sound like a victim of multiple bad circumstances who has, nevertheless, risen above her troubles and persevered.  I.e., it makes her sound somewhat saintly, which certainly violates WP:NPOV.  Also, when one writes in one's autobiography that one has suffered "an accidental gunshot wound to herself in the navel", one may (or may not) be covering up an attempted suicide.  Without an independent source on the subject, we can't say, but this self-published source is insufficient for such statements.  And, for the record, MikeW is simply stating Wikipedia policy.  It is not his decision that the templates should stay, it is Wikipedia policy.  True, the policies are open to interpretation, and it was his interpretation that led to the templates being replaced, but other editors (myself and GoingBatty at least) have been keeping an eye on developments on this article, and do not disagree with MikeW's actions.  It would appear that the consensus opinion here is that the templates should remain until sources other than Ms. O'Neill's autobiography can be found to verify the various statements regarding her personal life. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

text: You can argue about interpretation of facts all day long.  The fact is that Wikipedia policy bars the use of self-published material as the sole significant source for such information.  Self-published material is only to be used in strict narrowly-defined circumstances, and this article does not meet those circumstances.  If you wish to fight Wikipedia policy, this is not the forum to do so. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Note that I'm not making any judgement on her autobiography, web site, or any other self-published source.  I'm hoping that we can move past the attacks and SHOUTING, and use this forum to discuss the best way to improve the article.  To me, it seems the only way to do so is to start adding references.  Would everyone in this conversation be willing to add one new third-party reference to the article?  GoingBatty (talk) 17:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Using autobio as a source.  Query: How, why  does one single person get to decide and have the final say? 

message: To MikeWazowski: RE: The Jennifer O'Neill article, I added a historical fact
about her getting shot, and documented the item with a verifiable reference to an
independent third party publication called THE NEW YORK TIMES. Do a Google search on
it if you have never heard of it. There had been some talk page discussion that
this "self-inflicted" gunshot wound was really a suicide attempt, but police ruled
it an accidental shooting as per the NEW YORK TIMES article. This event has obvious
historical and biographical significance. For someone to get shot in the abdomen is a pretty significant and memorable event in anyone's life and worthy of mention.  Ask yourself,
"when was the last time you nearly died?"
     MikeWazowshi be forewarned: You are using the talk page to talk about a contributor
instead of commenting on content, in violation of Wikipedia talkpage guidelines. Your
deletion of this recent edit will only prove that you are engaged in an editing war, and your
violation of talk page guidelines and editing war with another editor will get you blocked
without further notice!    Taninao0126 (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Taninao0126 - Mike didn't delete your recent edit.  Another user added the proper formatting, but left the text you contributed in place.  I don't see any editing war regarding your recent contribution.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of new item with independent verifiable 3rd party ref. to a source called THE NEW YORK TIMES 

message: I understand that her father was Oscar O'Neill, a war hero.  He was a B-17 pilot during WW II, shot down over Germany and survived being a POW for the rest of the war.  Maybe that's an interesting bit of history which should be included?98.170.198.158 (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can prove that her father is actually Captain Oscar D. O'Neill, USAAC, B-17 Invasion 2nd, 401st Bomber Squadron, 91st Bomber Group, shot down and taken prisoner on 17 August 1943...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations: you seem to be right, and my scepticism is unfounded. It's an interesting bit of history which should be included, as you pointed out in December 2014. According to this Brazilian source, Oscar Delgado O'Neill was born in Brazil and Jennifer is his daughter_"http://tokdehistoria.com.br/tag/oscar-d-oneill/"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: I remember seeing her on a TV talk show. I don't recall which show it was, but she said rather candidly about her many marriages "I didn't date, I married." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.160.156 (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  An interesting observation about herself