Talk:Starhawk

message: Ashley Y could we discuss the category issue?  I think that Starhawk's work shouldn't be restricted to just Wicca.  Her contributions effect the larger category of Paganism in my opinion. - FSVallare —Preceding undated comment added 08:55, 16 July 2004.
:Could we put her in both Neopaganism and Wicca? —Ashley Y 21:32, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)
::Sounds like a great solution to me.  Will do that now. -- FSVallare —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 18 July 2004.
:::I did remove Paganism though, unless she has some connection to paganism other than neopaganism. Actually I don't really like the word "neopaganism" but it's kind of stuck here to mean specifically contemporary paganism in the West.—Ashley Y 01:29, 2004 Jul 20 (UTC)
::::Hmm...well the reason I listed Paganism is due to her connection with Marija Gimbutas' work.  To me that connection to the past moves her work out of purely Neopaganism.  In the part of the country I'm in Paganism is the more predominate description vs. Neopaganism, so that is also part of it. - FSVallare 18:12, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Starhawk is not Wiccan. She believes in Goddess Spirituality. Her first books she did identify herself as being Wiccan (which can cause alot of confusion), she does follow Goddess Spirituality. Disinclination 03:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: Note on edit of 9/2/06:  Source for addition of Starhawk's mother's middle name Claire is the Minnesota Birth Index, File 1951-MN-035927.  (Existing information on DOB, name, and father's name are also verified by this file.) - Zinning 23:30, 2006 Sep 2 [EDT]
 == Witchcraft vs. Wicca ==
 
I hope I didn't step on anybody's toes by changing the link for "Witch" from Wicca to Witchcraft, but I think that this change better reflects Starhawk's position.  While she once identified as a Wiccan (as someone else mentioned above) that is no longer the case, as far as I know.  Many, if not most, people involved in Reclaiming identify as Witches but not as Wiccans.  If someone disagrees with this...let's talk about it! Thanks, romarin [talk ] 19:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She doesn't call herself a Wiccan. She's not somebody that I would recognise as a fellow Wiccan.  She does however have beliefs and practices that match what Wikipedia labels "Wiccan".  I don't like Wikipedia's definition of the word, but if that's the way it's defined, then surely it should be used throughout?  86.47.160.33 (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wonder more about the "self-described" label.  Most adherents to a set of beliefs probably describe themselves as believing that thing, don't they?  For example, is Pope Benedict a "self-described" Catholic, or is he just a Catholic?  Others describe Starhawk as a witch, so I would respectfully suggest that a citation be provided to show why Starhawk's own description of her beliefs is notable.  -- otherlleft 14:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're kidding, right?  For quite some time, people everywhere could pretty much agree what would make somebody a Catholic...Goes to confession, takes communion, defends the pope, etc.  I'm afraid it isn't possible to say the same about Wiccans and Witches.  They are pretty much subjective self-identifying classifications, even today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.42.220 (talk) 17:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   It's been my observation that phrases such as "self-identified" or "self-described" are considered demeaning within the overall larger Pagan religious movement, as it has a connotation there that the religion is less legitimate than other religions.  -- Davidkevin (talk) 03:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: I've added an impact section that talks about the impact her works have had. mainly about her popularisation of the nine million witches figure, but also one line about how "The Spiral dance" was arguably the inspiration behind the neo-pagan movement. Feel free to add to this. It would require, I think, a review of the book, it's main themes and the popular impact that the book has had, specifically with reference to neo-paganism and wicca. the paragraph I've written (about her popularisation of the incorrect figure of nine million witches killed during the witch hunt) can be considered as one small part of this. It is for others to write the rest.Steve3742 12:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this new content was almost entirely about the book The Spiral Dance, I've moved it over to that article. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read "The Spiral Dance" you'll read about how she was influenced by people in the Neopagan movement. It can hardly therefore have been the inspiration for it. Nor can she be given credit/blame for popularising the 9,000,000 figure; it was already popular amongst witches thanks largely to Gerald Gardner and amongst Feminists thanks largely to Mary Daly and Andrea Dworkin (all three drawing on Gage as their source). Since Starhawk's influence is where these to groups meet, this was ground already covered - if anything it was the very idea of the nine-million that gave her a fertile bed to work from. It was still reasonable scholarship for someone for whom relevant history wasn't their field working from available sources when Starhawk was first writing so she can't be blamed for keeping the idea in circulation after it had been debunked. In all she's not particularly significant in this regard. Where she is significant is in being a leading figure in combining the two groups for which the nine-million held particular emotional significance86.47.160.33 (talk) 13:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact 

message: well i dont like her so ill refrain from editing this article but YOUTUBE not utube  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.39.48 (talk) 03:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: I was just wondering if this article should refer to her a "theorist of Paganism." Has she published scientific theories related to paganism? Koonboi (talk) 07:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning Pagan Theorist

message: Turn to disambiguation page, and move this to [[Starhawk {author)]] due to the upcoming game, which is now the dominant returned result on a Google search and the game being a far wider and well known entity than the author worldwide, due to it being the sequel to a critically acclaimed and multimillion copies selling game. --2.221.193.78 (talk) 17:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For a few months that might be true. But it would be recentism to bow to that when the game will be a distant memory in 12 months time. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 16:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would point out that until the game was announced, starhawk did not recieve enough searches on google to merit an actual reading; there are no results before the announcement occured. This would suggest that the author did not hold a very strong presence in the public conciousness even before the game was announced. I understand your concern regarding having to immediately undo edits, but I think the game release will have a greater impact on popular culture than you give it credit for. Warhawk, the predecessor to this game, which was released in 2007 to little fanfare, was actually getting double the hits on wikipedia than starhawk at the beginning of 2010. --86.20.221.12 (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Move Request

message: Practically nothing in this article is properly sourced. This needs to be rectified. Deletion of all non-sourced material would likely make this article a stub, so any editors familiar with the subject should work to get sources in. Please let me know if I'm wrong here. Awwhiteman (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it's not "properly sourced."  "Wicca" is nothing more than a collection of nonsense produced by charlatans inventing "ancient wisdom" to line their modern pockets.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.122.230 (talk) 07:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs sources 

message: Does this article mention when her name was changed to Starhawk? I assume this happened before she published her books but when? Even the year would be good. 184.146.160.203 (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of name change

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