Talk:Native American identity in the United States

message: It seems that there is (in the stub-version) some confusion between the terms "Native American identity" and "Indian". The article starts with the statement "Native American identity in the United States is legal term defining who is or is not considered American Indian by the United States..." and then goes on to legally define "(1) the term `Indian' means a member of an Indian tribe;". I don't think that the original article was in any way meant to imply that the definition of Indian (or even American Indian) was anything different than the legal definition. The article was simply discussing different groups and different historical circumstances that individuals or groups related to the Native American identity, in spite of whether or not they were legally defined as such. --Maelwys 19:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment on stub-version of the article

message: Article states that "10 states in the East" have these - but neither lists which states or provides any source. Perhaps the 10 could just be listed in a footnote. Rmhermen 02:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This list  shows 11 states. Michigan is listed although that tribe gained federal recognition in 1999 (but the state must have had a state recognition process before that and perhaps still) One of the other states listed is Oklahoma -- which doesn't meet my definition of "in the East". Rmhermen 03:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Brownell reference to page 303 is this one.  She references to Sheffield, Gail (1998) Arbitrary Indian: The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990. University of Oklahoma Press, pages 63-73, listing the ten states as: Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, Massachusetts, North Carolina, New York, Tennessee, and Virginia.  I don't have Sheffield's book, and there isn't great access online, so I can't see where she gets her figures.  I might be able to find it later this week, but we could change it to "at least 10 states" and in the references, mention the ten referenced by Brownell/Sheffield and the others from the web. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I just finished looking through Sheffield's book and typed up some notes on the story.  I think that the whole section could be combined with these notes to a "state-recognized Indians" article, which would be controversial, but, hmm, interesting.  Anyway, I userfied my notes, commenting on the names of tribes which are not mentioned on the genealogy page you mentioned, and noting which have been denied federal recognition (others are in various stages in the federal process, but since the book is dated, I only noted which have been denied, as the "application in progress" isn't current enough to be interesting).  For now the notes are at User:Smmurphy/Stream of conscious, but it could be brought here, or, ultimately, to its own article.  Anyway, Sheffield references state Indian Affairs offices (or other cultural affairs type offices where applicable), so for us to go further, we can see if web-pages exist for those offices (or we can contact them ourselves (which sounds too close to OR for me). Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 20:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Neologism.  There is no such entity as a state recognized tribe.  Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 20:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it is a neologism, and certainly Horse, Brownell, and Sheffield (as well as the Arts and Crafts Act ) are reliable sources.  Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me know if you like the legal definition section (with some content from the recognition section) now that I've made the move.  Also, feel free to help out the new page at Native American recognition in the United States.  Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 13:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: State recognized tribes

message: Hi, these references you are citing cannot be verified.  please point me to an online version.  I cannot find these books and they have undue weight. 67.186.225.240 22:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the material can be found at a local research library (for instance a nearby university).  If you are willing to "pay-per-view", I can point you to that option as well.  Not having online versions is not a reason to remove materials, and academic publications are fine sources, even if they are not online.  If you have additional questions about sources, feel free to ask at my talk page.  Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 23:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pay per view does not verify these materials.  The one source of yours I did check did not say what you claimed.  I am going to get copies of these books and review them. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 02:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which source was that?  Thanks, Smmurphy(Talk) 04:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sources questions

message: I am placing a warning tag in these wannabee articles to notify the public these materials should not be considered legal advice or authoritative.  The public should be advised as well as casual readers claiming to be an Indian when they are not can get them into a lot of trouble. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 15:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have something to add, please do so.  If you have any specific complaints, feel free to address them here at the talk page, and we can seek consensus.  Tagging articles in this way is not helpful, and the tags should be discussed specifically and individually, or they may be removed.  Thanks, Smmurphy(Talk) 16:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have added and tagged the article with a disclaimer.  This allows just about any inaccurate content to be present in the article since it absolves Wikipedia of criminal liablity and warns readers of the possible consequences of claiming to be an Indian when they are not tribal members of a Federally recognized tribe. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 16:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning Tag

message: I came to Wikipedia to look for some guidance in finding information regarding what "defines" a person as Native American, after I had to complete a State of Texas form that has a different (much narrower) definition that the one used by the US Census. By the US Census someone like I is (also) Native American, albeit mixed. By the State of Texas such a person would be "Hispanic". 
Now, looking at this article and others regarding Native Americans, I see that very, very little is said about these administrative issues and their impact. Yet these are important for many Federal, State, local, private programs in College, Small Business... While Wikipedia is not meant to be authoritative about regulatory matters, I wish at least it were informative. 72.183.114.253 (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative impact of Native America self-identification / Administrative recognition of Native American status 

message: Hi.  There are several articles about tribal issues, which contain WP:COI content from a published author and Wikipedian named , synthesizing and citing his own books.  I don't know anything about the content, and I imagine that it may be fine, but an uninvolved party needs to ascertain that by acquiring the book and reviewing it against the Wikipedian contributions for neutrality and accuracy.  Then you can reintroduce the content, hopefully properly formatted and cited.  Until then, it's here for this article and in the user's history for the other articles. I have notified the editor, requesting that he'll propose future changes on the Talk pages of the articles.  Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

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