Talk:IPod/Archive 3

message: The history section is pretty inaccurate according to this Wired Article: page 1, page 2.  I've changed the article to reflect the history from Wired and another article from LEM. Tomhormby 00:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote most of the section and added footnotes. Tomhormby 02:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated this area to better reflect what actually happened. The Wired article is greatly incorrect. For certain reasons, Benjamin Knauss decided to tell a story other than what actually happened. The reasons for this are his own, but likely were to improve his standing so he could take financial advantage of the iPod success (note the article says he was contracting at Microsoft). PortalPlayer did not have hard drive reference designs the size of a cigarette pack. PortalPlayer had no contact with Toshiba, who were the makers of the only hard drives small enough to make a player the size of the iPod, which was itself still larger than a cigarette pack. If you went to PortalPlayer's offices back then, you would see (and hear) in the lobby their working reference design, which was the size of a standard home "rack style" CD player. Apple did not slightly refine PortalPlayer's software design, they greatly redesigned it. Apple used PortalPlayer's OS and audio decode system (with many modifications) and put Pixo UI and Apple song management code on top of it. Apple did not use Pixo's OS, as Pixo doesn't make an OS. Pixo was a UI toolkit that could run on multiple OSes. At Apple's request, Pixo adapted their toolkit in short order to run on the OS that PortalPlayer had selected. In the initial product, the amount of code was about 1/3rd PortalPlayer, 1/3rd Pixo and 1/3rd Apple-written.Bollinger 07:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: iTunes was released as a program in January 2001, but at that point there was no store component for buying songs; it was "just" a software jukebox for storing and playing music. The iTunes Music Store is a separate feature of the iTunes program, and it was this feature that was first introduced in 2003. BJ Nemeth 04:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History Inaccuracies

message: Article says: In addition, the earphone plug is smaller.Does this mean it needs non-standard cables to hook to a stereo system?  If not, why is this affirmation relevant? 201.128.116.10 17:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 5Gen headphone jack

message: :::OK...here's the mockup, tell me if you like it - of course for the real thing, the 1, 2, 3 and 4th Generation ipods and the ipod mini will be included too. and the descriptions will be filled in. — Wackymacs
Image	Name                 	Capacity     	Battery life	Description
     	iPod (5th Generation)	30 - 60 GB   	14 hours    	description here
     	iPod shuffle         	512 MB - 1 GB	12 hours    	description here
     	iPod nano            	1, 2, 4 GB   	14 hours    	description here
I think this table thing is a pretty good idea. And perhaps we could have an iPod family article that goes into all the details and does the all the comparisons and stuff. --IE 15:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. The problem of this article has always been that it can't quite make up its mind whether it's about the iPod brand or the mainline iPod itself, and the table would alleviate that problem somewhat (a subarticle of some kind should be created then, though). -- grm_wnr Esc 19:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  Would it make more sense to move the current article to iPod brand and make the iPod article about that specific line? PaulC/T+ 01:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could use this style of table for the accesories section? This would allow more accessories to be shown and described, but with less text. --IE 18:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: initial mockup

message: :I like this one better than the one I made. Thanks for expanding it. I think it should be posted to replace the "Models" section. — Wackymacs 20:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh...So when is this going to be finished and added to replace the "Models" section? — Wackymacs 09:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the first version better as any descriptive text is going to look silly if the table is oriented the other way.  It would also make adding information to the table quite complicated and people would have to count lines and stuff... It looks pretty nice tho. PaulC/T+ 01:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Here is a (very poor) example of what I mean. Of course, it should follow the article's current Toc: 
*6.2 iPod
**6.2.1 1st generation
**6.2.2 2nd generation
***6.2.2.1 Limited Edition iPods
**6.2.3 3rd generation
**6.2.4 4th generation
***6.2.4.1 iPod photo/iPod with color display
***6.2.4.2 iPod U2 Special Edition
***6.2.4.3 Harry Potter Collector's iPod (30 GB)
**6.2.5 5th generation
*6.3 iPod mini
**6.3.1 1st generation mini
**6.3.2 2nd generation mini
*6.4 iPod shuffle
*6.5 iPod nano
Family      	Image	Line          	Model     	Capacity     	Battery life	Description
iPod        	     	5th generation	(This Box)	30 - 60 GB   	14 hours    	On October 12, 2005 Apple launched the 5th generation iPod at the "One more thing..." event.http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialeventoct05/ This iPod is often called the iPod video or the video iPod, while Apple documentation refers to it as the Fifth Generation iPod or iPod with video (compare with the Fourth Generation iPod, iPod with color display, or iPod (Click Wheel); the Third Generation iPod or iPod (dock connector); Second Generation iPod or iPod (touch wheel); and First Generation iPod or iPod (scroll wheel)).http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60971
iPod        	     	4th gen       	test      	             	            	
iPod        	     	U2            	test      	             	            	On October 12, 2005 Apple reintroduced the Harry Potter collectible iPod along with an update of the iPod line. The new Harry Potter iPod retains the laser-engraved Hogwarts crest on back of the device and is sold with the "complete Harry Potter" (the first 6 books in the Harry Potter series). The capacity of this model iPod was increased to 30 GB from the previous 20 GB. The price remains the same as the 4th generation model.
iPod        	     	Harry Potter  	test      	             	            	
iPod        	     	iPod photo    	          	             	            	
iPod shuffle	     	              	          	512 MB - 1 GB	12 hours    	description here
iPod nano   	     	              	          	1, 2, 4 GB   	14 hours    	description here
iPod mini   	     	              	          	             	            	
Would it be possible to split the box marked "(This Box)" into several rows based on each model? 30/60 for the 5g? PaulC/T+ 01:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you can split it; you'd have to insert a new row, mostly blank, & have everything else on the row span two rows (see what IE did on the second mockup to see how).  That would be really ugly to edit, although it would work for noting the different dimensions or running time of the different models - is that what you were thinking about?  - Pronoiac 08:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Activity on this has died again..... – Wackymacs 09:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: third table

message: I came up with the idea of this table concept to replace the complex "Models" section, but it is other users who have actually seemed to try different things with the table and put content in. I really like the second mockup, it seems completed, when is it going up on the article page to replace the Models section? — Wackymacs 20:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: timing/completion

message: Hello Jamie. I today added the link to Hot iPod News (www.hotipodnews.com) to the wikipedia. This is not my own site. I do not own a site. I DO own an iPod, (4GB Nano), and think that this site is very well done and have it in my del.icio.us bookmarks. The site has been ranked #1 on MacRank toplist for almost 2 years straight now. I benefit none from the inclusion (or not)of this site, so I do not see it as "spam", however if you choose to see it as such and decide to keep it removed, that is your perogative.  Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.74.64 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 8 July 2006
:It's a @#$%ing rumour mill. Not at all the sort of thing that should be linked to from a Wikipedia article. — NRen2k5 18:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hot iPod News

message: I've seen a lot of criticism on many forums about how the iPods that use Mini Hard drives rather than Flash memory do not work even in pressurized airplane cabins well below the maximum specs of 10000ft. Here are some examples from a quick search on the apple forum alone. 
Does anyone think this is worth mentioning in the article? A simple google search turns up many more topics similar to this. 71.235.83.132 12:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any "reliable" sources?  Articles from newspapers or news sites for example?  Postings to discussion forums are not reliable sources.  Please see WP:VERIFY.  AlistairMcMillan 17:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: While your comment speaks about using an iPod on an airplane under 10,000 feet, all of the discussion links you reference speak about using it while the airplane is crusing. A pressurized airline cabin is the equivilent of about 8,000 feet. An airline typically cruises between 33,000 and 42,000 feet, where it is incredibly cold and hard to breathe. This is why the cabins are pressurized, and why the iPod continues to function. Working in Apple Support myself I have experienced an incredubly small amount of failures that occurred after the customer traveled by airplane. mgahs 21:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use on Airplanes

message: I'm new here, and don't know too much about Wikipedia, but wouldn't it make sense to do that? It looks strange when you look at the page and iPod is spelled "IPod"
--Edmn61 15:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the product name is just IPod, but the manufacturer is Apple, so it could work . Besides, it would follow the convention used by Apple Macintosh. — Wackymacs 15:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look through the Talk page history. I'm sure this idea has been discussed a number of times and rejected. AlistairMcMillan 16:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: BTW Macintosh is at "Apple Macintosh" because there are other meanings of Macintosh. AlistairMcMillan 16:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Come to think of it, who is in favour of moving Apple Macintosh to Macintosh and moving the current contents of Macintosh to "Macintosh (disambig)"? AlistairMcMillan 16:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye to that one, AlistairMcMillan. — Wackymacs 20:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Could it be called the "Apple iPod" to avoid the capital "I"

message: I was reading the newspaper in Toronto a few days ago, and there was a story about a person who was struck by lightning when the ipod acted as a conductor for the lightning in a thunderstorm. I'll look for that article.- Delta Spartan 20:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't bother.  All the articles that covered the subject made clear that everyone asked, except for the guy who was struck and his mother, didn't think the guy's iPod could act as a conductor for lightning. AlistairMcMillan 21:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Next we should outlaw metal pens or glasses :p Tyciol 12:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: iPod as a lighting conductor

message: WHAT is the ipod video 30GB screen specs? virus 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it is 2.5 inches diagonal, 320*240 resolution and 65,000 colors. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.–-  kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 20:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IPOD VIDEO

message: The default file type on Ipods is AAC/MP4A - from the page Audio Coding  it appears that it is not a proprietary file type.  This section may also be a violation of "Positive tone".  (Should I perhaps have marked this as dubious instead of NPOV?) 202.168.63.129 03:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Standard File Type

message: Apple hardware engineer Michael Dhuey did about the last 30% of the work on the first iPod, but his name has been erased from this article as of August 23, 2006. Why? Design News magazine nominated him for Design News Engineer of the Year based partly on his work on the iPod. — Walloon 03:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Dhuey

message: Since the correct title is iPod but we cant capitalise it, why don't we just change the title to Apple iPod? It is the title in German Wikipedia and it looks better. Currently it looks like LPod.
:I like this suggestion. I'll suggest a RM. JohnnyBGood  t c VIVA! 00:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Title

message: It says in the article that holding menu turns on the backlight
which is not true anymore, and is a major pain in the ass.
:Well, it's still true for my 4th gen. iPod. --StimpsonDE 14:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Backlight

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I think there was a consensus—it's just that the consensus was to leave it here.--HereToHelp 22:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I've heard rumours of a 6th generation iPod being released on the 12th of his month.  Are these rumours true? --72.228.5.240 03:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's kind of a funny question. Kinda sorta by definition, we won't know if the rumors are true until the 12th ;) --Rehcsif 03:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was just wondering if anyone else had heard anything about it also.  --72.228.5.240 03:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Where did you hear this? Nicoli nicolivich 12:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: link? reffrence? i see no mention of this on the apple site Nicoli nicolivich 17:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  nope just rumors, lots of new stuff just announced though see 
*               iLounge: 249 and 349 with 30GB and 80GB capacity
*10:10 am	iLounge: games will work on 5G ipods
*10:09 am	iLounge: games for sale off iTunes for $4.99
*10:08 am	iLounge: new iPod software features: instant searching, new games (Bejeweled, Cubis 2, Mahjong, Mini golf, pac man, tetris, texas holdem, vortex, and zuma)
*10:07 am	iLounge: iPod is getting enhanced today. 60% brighter with brighness control, 3.5 hours video playback (up from 2 hrs... big version goes to 6.5 hours), new headphones, gapless playback
The 5th generation was ENHANCED! I don't think this enhancement is the 6G. Please change until Apple officially calls this enhancement 6G.
** in fact, the store refers to the new games as only playing on 5th generation iPods. That strongly suggests that despite the differing capacities and new screen, it's still the "5th generation." Nsayer 20:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all on the website now. Apple.com — Wackymacs 19:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the website clearly states that is is still a FIFTH GENERATION iPOD! dummy, here is the   link.  Look at the bottom left corner where there is a link to the PHOTO GALLERY, the text below says so.  This is NOT a 6th generation, so someone please change it back192.91.75.30 20:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heres the new ipod line: 2G Shuffle, 2G Nano, and 5.1G Video. iTunes 7 is released too (its way cooler than 6 in my opinion!) just to clarify this here. Djsonik 00:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 23:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 6th Generation?

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
Support for obvious reasons. JohnnyBGood  t c VIVA! 00:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: i don't know where else to look for help with some problems i've been having, so i'm asking here. i recently updated my 5g 60gb ipod to version 1.2 and now whenever i connect my ipod to my pc, the backlight comes on dimmer. how do i turn the backlight off completely? also i have a question that the answer for should maybe go on this page. when the ipod is plugged into the computer or to a tv and charger simultaniously. does the power go into the battery then to the backlight/tv. so for this backlight thing, would the power be chargering the battery, then the backlight taking power form the battery, or is the power linked to the backlight directly? thanx. ~~Patrick~~ 04:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is definitely not the right place to look for help, this is how to turn the backlight off: at the main menu, press Settings -> Backlight Timer -> Off. The reason your backlight is dimmer probably has to do with the brightness settings. This is at Settings -> Brighness settings. As for the charging question. I believe that the power source is charging the battery and the backlight at the same time. Someone correct me if im wrong. Next time, ask your iPod related questions at Apple's Support Forums or somwthing similar. Peace. Djsonik 00:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ipod 5g update 1.2 questions

message: I don't get this. Earphones are put under advertisement. And it goes:
:"The iPod's white earphone cords have become symbolic of the brand, and advertisements feature them prominently. In fact, the earphones have such strong visual recognition characteristics that some have said they can be a liability. After a 24% rise in robbery and a 10% increase in grand larceny in the New York City subway, a spokesperson for the NYC police suggested that iPods might be behind the increases."
First, what do earphones have to do with advertisement? Second, why is there no mention of the new earphones that were introduced recently? Misha 18:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, read it. The ads prominently feature the earphones, sometimes not the iPod itself, just the iPod earphones. — Wackymacs 19:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: iPod Earphones

message: I think the article needs to point out that Apple used the Design Chain method of product design and development in coordination with PortalPlayer.  This Design Chain method page is being built right now and needs links to support it.  Refer to the following article.   Anomalycp 22:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Design Chain