Talk:Hadji Girl

message: While this is probably some of the worst stuff I've ever heard, I think it's important that we as Wikipedians keep a cool head and maintain NPOV, as this will no doubt draw more and more attention and anger as the days pass. Some points I think we need to establish: 1) This is only allegedly a US Marine. 2) The song was condemned by both CAIR and the USMC. 3) An investigation is underway. I've added that info as well as the horrible lyrics to the article. —Aiden 00:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well let's stay on topic of the article, but I think we'd all agree there is a line that he crossed singing about the deaths of people as a joke. —Aiden 14:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I assume you condemn a great deal of gangsta rap as "crossing a line" and would call it "despicable"?  Aaronimo 14:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Put yourself in the position of a citizen of a country which has become infested with soldiers who are entrusted with protecting you, only to learn that in their spare time they're writing songs about killing you and laughing about it. I'd call that at least borderling "despicable". Or at least disgustingly immature. As an Iraqi, would you trust that guy to help you? Hannah 02:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't answer the question.  As far as I can tell, a good deal of gangsta rap boasts about killing people.  Is it also "despicable"? Aaronimo 22:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispicable, but remain calm 

message: I accidently created a new article for this. I have redicted my article to here. Although most of what it states appears to be better covered here, perhaps it will be useful so I have included it below:
:The Hadji Girl video is a video posted on the site YouTube, but subsequently removed by the original uploader, which has garned considerable controversy. It features a man in uniform, allegedly a marine, playing a guitar and singing a song which appeared to glorify the killing of Iraqi civilians . Members of the audience appeared to cheer and clap to the lyrics in the background . The identity of the person in the video and the location it was shot is unclear .
:The Council on American-Islamic Relations has called for an investigation in to the video . The US Marine Corps responded stating that "The video that was posted anonymously is clearly inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all marines." .
:== External links ==
:The video can be viewed at the Council on American-Islamic Relations website (http://www.cair-net.org/)
Nil Einne 13:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accidently created a new article 

message: Bot run amuck.  
I try to edit the page, only to have it immediately reverted by TAWKERBOT2.
Despite when I try to revert it back again to my edit:
:If an edit of yours is reverted by accident by Tawkerbot2 please simply revert again, it will not revert more than once, but please leave a note about what it considered vandalism; we need to know of every false positive so we can prevent them from happening again.
Which does NOT happen.. instead I get THREATENED:
:This is your last warning for editing Hadji Girl. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. // Tawkerbot2 16:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... It is probably because you aren't registered. —Aiden 16:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect it's also because he was primarily adding the word fuck and nothing else. While it might have been justified in this case (although it's irrelevant now that the lyrics are gone), it would be difficult to programme a bot which is smart enough to realise adding the word fuck in this case to a page was not vandalism. I guess it could perhaps be programmed to realise replacing f*ck with fuck and replacing expletive deleted with fuck is probably not vandalism but other then that I don't know. But given that this issue rarely comes up it isn't a problem IMHO Nil Einne 09:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the fuck? 

message: The last batch of changes by 169.200.225.34, including the "editorial" claim about how the Marine's song doesn't reference "who started the war" ought to be reverted out as they are decidedly non-NPOV.  
216.17.139.240 21:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newest Changes a step away from NPOV. 

message: I don't know if the Corporal considers his lyrics copyrighted, but I've deleted them until the matter is resolved.  User:Zoe|(talk) 23:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that the lyrics are in the public domain at this point, and in any event given the nature of the issue being cataloged in Wikipedia here, especially the controversy about the song and its characterization by CAIR and others, it seems to me that we have a pretty clear case of "fair use."   Have you done anyting to try and contact Cpl. Belile to get a direct indicator on this?  If not, I will be happy to do so.  In all candor, the suppression of the lyrics, especially in the context of a preemptory fear of copyright issues and in the absence of a request by the copyright owner, could easily be perceived or characterized as departing from NPOV.  I am legally trained and have actually dealth with copyright issues.  I cannot think of a clearer "fair use" framework than this one (the controversey, about which the article speaks and which is the whole reason the topic gained sufficent prominence to warrant an article, depends on the lyrics, and thus it is fair use to publish them for purpose of commentary and educational use).  In any event, the "copyright" implications are not remedied by removing the lyrics from the exisiting edit, as Wikipedia "republishes" the lyrics freely to anyone who looks at a prior version of the article.  In other words, if the lyrics _are_ a copyright problem, the problem is not remedied by deletion becuase of how  Wikipedia works in archiving prior edits.  Suppressing the lyrics in this context serves only to alter the NPOV ballance of the story, IMHO.  Just my $0.02 216.17.139.240 04:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The video was uncopyrighted and posted on YouTube.com. If that's not the public domain I don't know what is. —Aiden 04:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lyrics are not in the public domain unless Bellile explicitly states so. Otherwise, under United States copyright law, he has implicit copyright valid until 50 years after his death. It is irrelevant whether the video was posted anywhere. --Dhartung | Talk 07:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The lyrics are a useful resource.  As a compromise, I will place a link to a site that has the lyrics.  I think this is something valid, considering the links to (copyrighted) videos in this article and many others.  The lyrics shouldn't be held to any higher standard than other forms of copyrighted material.  72.56.10.196 12:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not funny, and just because it's not in America means it's okay to use racial slurs and joking about mass murder? OH OKAY. Trying very, very hard not to invoke Godwin's law here. And by the way, they ARE killing families, have you even seen the news? Ever? Besides watching juvenile movies, that is.  Of course there are no pending investigations whatsoever.  Get fucking educated. You smack of a young upper middle class white male, and hey, since I'M NOT AMERICAN, IT MUST BE PERFECTLY OKAY! Check your privlege at the door before you say it's okay to use racial slurs.76.185.10.76 12:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mass murder? The protagonist of the song is ambushed by two men, who kill their own family member trying to shoot at the protagonist, after which the protagonist shoots the two men. Three people die. Again, mass murder? Unigolyn 03:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: *http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=1140
 Hadji Girl 
I was out in the sands of Iraq
And we were under attack
And I, well, I didn’t know where to go.
And the first thing that I could see was
Everybody’s favorite Burger King
So I threw open the door and I hit the floor.
Then suddenly to my surprise
I looked up and I saw her eyes
And I knew it was love at first sight.
And she said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl, I can’t understand what you’re saying.
And she said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl, I love you anyway.
Then she said that she wanted me to see.
She wanted me to go meet her family
But I, well, I couldn’t figure out how to say no.
Cause I don’t speak Arabic.
So, she took me down an old dirt trail.
And she pulled up to a side shanty
And she threw open the door and I hit the floor.
Cause her brother and her father shouted…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They pulled out their AKs so I could see
And they said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
(with humorous emphasis:)
So I grabbed her little sister, and pulled her in front of me.
As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally
Then I hid behind the TV
And I locked and loaded my M-16
And I blew those little f*ckers to eternity.
And I said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They should have known they were f*ckin’ with a Marine.
--Root Beers 11:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: The backlash from the CAIR organization that [favors extremists.]
*http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=cair61306%2Ehtm
*http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/06/hadji_girl_sing_1.php--Root Beers 11:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  C.A.I.R Backlash