Talk:Pamir Mountains

message: I redirected Pamir Mountains and Pamirs here.  I don't know which one is standard, so I picked the one that had the most links already in Wikipedia.  I've also seen it called the "Pamir Range" and "Pamir-Altay". 
Pamir may also be a region, not just a mountain range.
-- Walt Pohl 05:29, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Please place this map in some kind of perspective.  As it is, it's pretty useless. Kdammers 08:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map is inadequate. 

message: @ Zlerman: You may not be aware that there is an entry now under that heading that explains why the link that you removed  makes sense. I sincerely hope you don't mind my putting it back in. Thank you.Marschner (talk) 17:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and fix it. Yaan (talk) 15:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Roof of the world]]

message: Zandweb has added a new etymology, which derives Pamir from Pam+Ir[an], the "Roof of Iran". In support of this etymology, he gives five links: three internal Wikipedia links to Pamir languages and Iranian languages (twice) and two external links to maps showing the distribution of ethnic groups in Tajikistan and in a broader region around Iran. None of these links even remotely mentions the etymology "Pam+Ir[an]". I am therefore removing this etymology as unsourced until such time that verifiable sources can be provided in accordance with WP:VERIFY.
Zandweb also made an edit in note [1], inserting the etymology Pam+Ir[an] into the text of the note. Note [1] cites a specific source which gives a totally different etymology for Pamir. The edit therefore contradicts the cited source and is removed accordingly.
The last paragraph in the "Etymology" section is removed by WP:SOAPBOX. The proper place for such arguments is the talk page. --Zlerman (talk) 02:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Where is the etymology?
A proposal for consideration:
Po/pa
→ https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/po
→ https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h%E2%82%82p%C3%B3
+
(Mount ?) Meru  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C2:A73D:EF00:4C9E:BC2B:9D6A:47DE (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names and etymology 

message: I added an explanation for the Chinese name 葱嶺 (Onion mountains) yesterday, but it was removed since the reference I provided is not in English. I think mentioning the name without an explanation (or reference) doesn't make much sense, so I removed it. Message created by 89.53.117.161 10:27, 23 February 2009 
: You have done a masterful job with the two references. Everything looks perfect now. We have an authoritative reference for the name "Congling" and we also know why they are called "Onion Mountains". All readers of this article should be grateful to you. One thing remains to be done: please translate the title of the Chinese book that you use as a reference for the quotation and provide some basic bibliographic information. --Zlerman (talk) 12:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I saw that there's actually an article about this classic, so I linked there. Wikisource even has the complete text . Taniquetil (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Name 

message: Please find out the ancient name of Pamir. To me, it seems "Meru" Mountain mentioned in Jain & Buddhist text. Also write name of forest in this range. This will help us find the history of this mountain range.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.196.34.166 (talk) 07:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Name 

message: I would question whether the Pamirs can really be said to extend to Pakistan.  The maps I have consulted describe the mountains between the Wakhan and Pakistan as part of the Hindu Kush, and that is what the Hindu Kush article says.  Yes, the Hindu Kush article describes it as an "extension" of the Pamirs (and a sub-range of the Himalayas), but I don't think that is meant in the sense that it is a sub-range of the Pamirs, any more than the Karakoram are.  If Tirich Mir was in the Pamirs, it would be the highest mountain in the Pamirs, and if it is not, what mountains in Pakistan are in the Pamirs?
Does anyone have an authoritative source?  Mhockey (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, according to that source (and for all I know that's the common convention) the Pamirs do not extend to Pakistan in the south. Apcbg (talk) 18:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I think most people would say that the Pamirs extend into the Wakhan.  It is the location of a number of pamirs, including both the Little Pamir and the Great Pamir.--Mhockey (talk) 08:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been researching this issue for my m.a. thesis on the Pamirs, and I can't find any evidence that the Pamirs extend into Pakistan or Kyrgyzstan. But it depends: Is the geographical extent of the Pamir Mountains only restricted to areas where there are "Pamirs"? This could have repercussions in in the usage of the term "Pamiri" to refer to the Shughni, Roshani, Yazgulami populations, who (in Tajikistan at least) refer to themselves as "Pamiris" even though they don't live in the Pamirs. But I can't think of any populations in Pakistan that call themselves Pamiris or that claim the Pamir Mountains extend into Pakistan. There's a sizable population of Wakhi in Pakistan, but this an immigrant population and not an indication that the Wakhan extends into the Pamirs (not that anyone is claiming that the Wakhan does). David Straub (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern extent of  the Pamirs 

message: I am pleased to see a new map which better indicates the position of the Pamirs but, unfortunately, it is very misleading. As one can see, it names the range mountains stretching east of the Pamirs and south of the Taklamakan desert as the Himalayas. This is not so - the main Himalayan range stretches to the southeast and then east along the southern border of Tibet. The mountains indicated as the Himalayas on the map should, instead, be marked the Kunlun Mountains. Can anyone fix this please? I don't know how to do it myself. Cheers and thanks, John Hill (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New Map misleading

message: Why is there a table German English Russian Tajik in this article about the Pamirs? Doesn't that belong to the article about the Tajik language? (wikipedia is not a travel guide)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicob1984 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my question! I look if I can move the glossary somewhere else.--Dia^ (talk) 12:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Glossary? 

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message: * Sakastan is not Pamir. AliceBzh (talk) 12:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  map of Sakastan 

message: Their are better maps of the Pamir  why remove that map I added or if you dont like the map why dont you add a better one what the hell does Sakastan have to do with the Pamir Mountains. 2402:E280:3D48:133:7D36:A1AA:C476:6CD1 (talk)
: Leave edit summaries next time Codenamewolf (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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message: Cultural Significance
 
The Pamir region holds immense cultural significance for Indigenous communities, reflecting a rich tapestry of traditions, beliefs, and practices that have evolved over millennia. This cultural heritage is deeply intertwined with the region's geographical isolation and historical developments.
Formation of Pamiri Culture 
 
Pamiri culture is a unique blend of ancient Zoroastrian beliefs and Ismailism, a Shiite branch of Islam. It began to form over two thousand years ago when Indo-Iranian tribes migrated to the region, bringing the Zoroastrian religion and culture with them. This cultural synthesis was further shaped by the extreme isolation provided by the formidable Pamir Mountains, influencing everything from lifestyle and traditions to unique rituals and practices.
 
The history of the Pamiri culture traces back to the migration of Indo-Iranian tribes to the region more than two thousand years ago, bringing the rich tapestry of Zoroastrian religion and culture. Over time, these influences were shaped and evolved by the harsh conditions of life in the Pamirs, contributing to the distinctiveness of the Pamiri cultural identity.
 
Acceptance of Ismailism 
 
In the 8th century, Central Asia was invaded by Arab tribes who brought Islam to the land. Unlike many other regional ethnic groups, the Pamiri people voluntarily accepted the beliefs of the Shiiya branch of Islam, known as Ismailism. Ismailism arrived not through military conquest but through the teachings of preachers, marking a voluntary adoption of a new faith that resonated with their spiritual beliefs.
 
The acceptance of Ismailism played a significant role in shaping Pamiri cultural practices, including religious ceremonies, ethical values, and community structures. The spiritual leader of the Ismaili community, the Aga Khan, holds a revered position among the Pamiri people, providing spiritual guidance and social assistance that are integral to Pamiri cultural life.
 
Languages and Diversity 
 
A cornerstone of Pamiri culture is its intricate linguistic landscape, comprising diverse languages and dialects that reflect centuries of cultural exchange and evolution. The Northern Pamir languages include Bartang, Vanj, Darvaza, Rushan, Sarykol, Khufsky, Shungan, and Yazgulyam, while the Southern Pamiri languages include Wakhi, Ishkashim, Yidga, Munjan, and Sanglich.
 
These languages not only contribute to the vibrant mosaic of Pamiri cultural heritage but also serve as repositories of traditional knowledge and identity. Each language and dialect carries unique nuances, reflecting the historical migrations, interactions, and adaptations of Pamiri communities over time.
 
Symbolism of the Chid House
 
Central to Pamiri culture is the traditional chid house, a symbolic embodiment of religious and philosophical ideals. The chid house's architecture and structural elements, dating back over two and a half millennia, reflect ancient Aryan and possibly Buddhist philosophical influences assimilated into Pamiri traditions.
The chid house serves as more than a dwelling; it is a sacred space where religious rituals, communal gatherings, and cultural celebrations take place. The layout and design of the chid house, including its five pillars representing key spiritual concepts and its roof symbolizing earth, wind, fire, and water, carry profound religious and cultural symbolism that is integral to Pamiri identity.
 
Revival of Cultural Traditions
 
Efforts to preserve and revitalize Pamiri cultural traditions are ongoing, supported by initiatives such as the Aga Khan Foundation's project to revive Pamiri handicraft skills. Traditional handicrafts, including beautifully decorated skullcaps, intricately woven cloths (suzanis), and other artisanal creations, serve as living embodiments of Pamiri cultural identity and resilience.
These initiatives not only promote cultural heritage preservation but also provide economic opportunities for Pamiri artisans, fostering a sense of pride and continuity in their cultural practices. The revival of Pamiri cultural traditions contributes to the dynamic and evolving nature of Pamiri culture, ensuring its vitality and relevance in contemporary times.
 
For more in-depth information about Pamiri culture and heritage, you can explore the following resources:
 
 https://simergphotos.com/2015/06/21/an-ismaili-wedding-in-the-pamirs-through-my-lens-by-muslim-harji/
https://central-asia.guide/tajikistan/pamir-culture/ 109.71.229.10 (talk) 06:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pamirian Culture