Talk:Marc Slutsky

message: I have changed this article back to a redirect to Splender. This is based on the consensus that was reached barely a week ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marc Slutsky. If someone disagrees with the result of that AfD discussion, please take it to WP:DRV and mention the new sources that have been found. It is not appropriate to simply recreate the article this soon. -- Satori Son 23:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do wish you'd done it an hour ago, you could have saved me some work :p ---- WebHamster 23:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sorry about that... -- Satori Son 18:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change back to [[WP:REDIRECT|redirect]]

message: I'm still learning how this site works and I appreciate the help.  
I have included valid references as per your request: the Yamaha, Bill Rebis and the All Music Guide articles.  I thought that the poughkeepsie journal story would work and iskenderiye.com is written by a woman who writes for Modern Drummer and Rolling Stone magazine, but I guess I need to find a direct link to that.
I'm still not sure that it deserves to be redirected and/or deleted.
What do you mean by "It is not appropriate to simply recreate the article this soon."?
Abkagan 00:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see my detailed reply at User talk:Satori Son#redirect to Splender. -- Satori Son 18:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can't comment on the return to redirection, but I think you don't quite have the logic of the references down yet. In WP terms a reference isn't just a link to where a person's name is mentioned without any detail. A reference (or citation, or verification source) is something that is meant to be "non-trivial and substantial", that is to say it has  plenty of meat on its bones. Merely pointing to a web-page that says (to paraphrase) "Marc Slutsky is a drummer with xxx band" and that's all, is not considered to be a valid reference. It's insubstantial. As I said earlier, none of the references you gave that are from independent and reliable sources are actually about Slutsky. They are about the album release or about Slender. So again these are not appropriate references for Slutsky's own article, the band yes, but not his. Please don't feel I'm being negative, I do actually work for a session musician so I know how difficult it is to get decent references for them. My guy's been in the business for 40 years and is one of UK's top bassists and I'm struggling, so for a newbie like Slutsky you will have an uphill struggle. At the moment with the material you've put into the article a redirect is as good as it's going to get I'm afraid. What I suggest doing is to flesh out his section on the Splender page with some of the material you used for his article, but don't put any unverified claims in there (even if they are true). Wikipedia isn't about truth, it's about verifiable. ---- WebHamster 01:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Herein lies the problem I think. I think it's one of perspective. Judging by your comments it appears that your definition of notable is different to Wikipedia's. May I ask what connection you have to Mr Slutsky? It appears to be over and above what one would expect from an averagely interested editor. You maintain that he's notable but the evidence is to the contrary I'm afraid. He may be known in his trade, he may be liked by his fans, he may be a superb drummer but none of these things mean he is notable from a Wikipedia standpoint. As I said earlier, I suggest that you concentrate on fleshing out his section of the Splender article as it's not looking likely that he's notable enough yet for his own article. I'm sorry, but that's just how WP works I'm afraid. ---- WebHamster 11:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References