Talk:Last Chance Saloon

message: This page seemed to think that the Last Chance Saloon exists only in SF shows! I've tracked down a little historical background, but not filled in any of the details. Should be a simple enough job for somebody to follow the links I've added, do a bit of googing, and fill in the gaps Danohuiginn 16:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've expanded the article quite a bit, but I'm not sure if we're at the point that we can remove the tag calling for expansion.  I mean, really, every article can always have a bit more added to it.  Since this article is all about borderlines, where do you think the "border" is between needing expansion and hoping that someone will find some new and interesting tidbit?   I suppose that sort of question is why the tag itself is under so much fire on its own talk page.  It is kinda redundant.  Despite being uncertain, I'm going to go ahead and take down the expansion tag, since this disused corner of Wikipedia will probably see little attention for months, if not years.  CzechOut 20:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: looks good to me - when I added the tag there was almost nothing here. good work! Danohuiginn 15:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion request

message: I'm placing this GA request on hold; I believe it can meet the GA criteria with a little more work.  The numbers below are from the criteria at WP:WIAGA.
*1a. A brief mention of the "uniquely British automotive meaning" of saloon might be helpful to explain that passage.
*1b. The lede could be strengthened to provide a better overview of the article.  The layout of the "English metaphor" section might be able to be improved; I don't think it needs to be divided into quite so many subsections.  I am aware that "In popular culture" sections are a staple in many articles.  However, since this article already discusses slang and metaphorical uses of the term, perhaps some or all of that section could be migrated from an embedded list into prose?
*2c. Using the yellowpages.com search utility to support a claim about the commonality of the name is probably novel synthesis.  Perhaps an author has already made this claim somewhere else?
*3a. The most significant shortcoming of this article, in my mind, is the lack of coverage about the original last chance saloons, other than the two that are named.  Some discussion about the economics of these businesses, if available, would be ideal.  How did the gradual repeal of dry laws affect them?  I am not certain how much material in this vein is available from reliable sources, but the Old West is very well studied and frequently written about, so there should be soemthing to work with out there.
*6. Although not a cause of disqualification, an image or two would be ideal.  The establishment in Oakland is extant and could be photographed, or a picture could be taken of the marker in Kansas.  If a daguerreotype or other period photograph exists, that would be ideal, but I'm not certain if that is the case.
I hope to see this article meet the standards and earn its promotion soon!  Serpent's Choice 15:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite leaving the hold active for several days beyond its technical expiration, no edits were made to address any of the above concerns.  Serpent's Choice 13:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: "In everyday speech, by both American and British speakers of English, the term has been adopted to describe a situation beyond which hope or good fortune will greatly diminish."
Questioning this statement. Not only does the phrase not appear in any imported American television programming or newspaper headlines, but every single example in the article is British. I wonder if this might not be because of the inherent British pun, since American examples are rife with car examples. Apart from the literal saloon origin, does anyone from the United States have an example of this phrase in current or historic use? - Tenebris  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.157.138 (talk) 13:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As an American, I'd have to say I have never heard this phrase until this moment. A casual check of Google seems to bring up primarily British sources - Guardian, Telegraph, Independent, various african sites, etc.... --Marjaliisa (talk) 17:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can comfortably remove the phrase "both American and" from the article. Americans use "Last Chance Saloon" only to designate real or fictional drinking establishments, not as a pun or a figure of speech. Like Marjaliisa, I did a bit of Google checking, using a variety of search term combinations, and every figure of speech usage appeared from British writers. Binksternet (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: American English vs British English

message: I removed the bit about Charles Graudins listing "Last Chance Saloon" as a metaphor for finding a sexual partner in a bar. This author, writing about nightclubs and DJs, is not an expert on the subject of language, and no other observer confirms his definition. Binksternet (talk) 18:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual metaphor