Talk:List of oldest living people/Archive 1

message: This article is basically plagiarizing the GRG list, and we should consider its removal.Ryoung122 05:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It'd be hard to have a list of supercentenarians without appearing at least somewhat similar to their list.  If anyone can think of any way of making this list less like their's, please make a comment.  All I can think of is alphabetizing the list instead of going chronological, but that doesn't really make any sense. Useight 05:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I would think that a list of living people that are 110 or older should include people that are 110 or older.  But I see your point, because there are many unverified claims of people's ages.  Personally, I think only verified claims should make this list because this is an encyclopedia.  As for your other question, I know Wikipedia isn't a mirror, but there are other articles about the oldest, heaviest, etc, and I just like having all the information in one place.  Useight 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. - I just saw your userpage and now know why you have such an interest in this topic. Useight 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think this list only mirrors the GRG list because I'm not the only one who edits this article and the other people may not have gotten their information from that list.  This list is trying to compile the data from the GRG list and from other lists to make a comprehensive list.  Anyway, maybe the article should be deleted as a mirror, perhaps it should be put up in the WP:AFD and let the masses decide.  Useight 18:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article

message: While I have no current way of referencing it, a Canadian women turned 110 today, July 23rd, 2007. I can't add it, as I don't have her name, or any other information, except for her location, Qualicum Beach, British Columbia. Hope to see it on the list as soon as it can be proven. Kaiser matias 02:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So may I ask how exactly you acquired this information, dear Matias (from Germany most presumably)? Extremely sexy 13:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I found her name over here: it's Dorothy Hodgson. Extremely sexy 15:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: So you actually do live in Canada? Extremely sexy 20:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But you are of German descent obviously? Extremely sexy 21:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks anyway, but I already posted that particular one on the "WOP" forum. Extremely sexy 11:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Canadian added to the list 

message: It could be argued that the list as currently constructed is 'Original Research'. Also, since Bessie Roffey of Canada was apparently born Mar 2 1897, why is she not listed? 74.237.28.5 18:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point too, and I didn't add Mrs. Hodgson anyway, but the four others are about to be validated very soon. Extremely sexy 12:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: No, that's your job actually, but I in fact added Bessie Roffey as well, since you are close to validate her. Extremely sexy 19:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well put, but, for your information, Muhammad isn't even in the list at all though. Extremely sexy 13:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The standards of verification for this article should be the same as any other Wikipedia article, and independent of any GRG criteria. Each entry should be verifiable to a reliable source (i.e. Yahoo group is not acceptable). Preferably there should be in-line citations for each entry. To suggest that "This article's standards can be somewhat lower than the GRG list. The GRG list must insist on higher standards because the 'top 10' persons may be in Guinness" is false, the standards here should be higher and evidence of documentary proof linked. - fchd 09:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: While that does make sense, this article doesn't need to be of "higher standard" or even of "equal standard" with the GRG list.  It should be completely independent as long as the individuals have a verifiable.  The problem that you mentioned above is that some people's longetivity claims can't be backed up with birth certificates or other documents.  This list may end up with standars in line with the GRG's (such as birth cerficate being required or whatever), but it could be decided to lower the requirement.  That's a lot of beating around the bush, but what I'm trying to say is that this list should be a completely separate entity to the GRG's. Useight 06:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research?

message: The main reason I didn't want this list was whoever created it would not be responsible for the upkeep. So, Kozuru Ueda's death has been reported, why is she still on the list? Ryoung122 06:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thankfully, close to the bottom. Canadian Paul 01:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks: I will do this right now. Extremely sexy 19:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Also done: lovely. Extremely sexy 15:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: My turn. It is done. Canadian Paul 06:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I served my master. Extremely sexy 14:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, but this update is for Paul. Extremely sexy 17:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thoughts: he had his chance. Extremely sexy 21:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that I'm in the process of moving to Austin. I'll help if I can, but don't count on it. Cheers, CP 23:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're leaving your good old Canada for the States to settle in Texas, huh? Extremely sexy 12:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've lived in California since I was 15. Still gotta keep the pride though. Cheers, CP 20:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, and how old are you now exactly, please? Extremely sexy 20:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well according to my user page, 21. But it has no citation, so perhaps I should request a citation or delete it under WP:NOR ;) Cheers, CP 20:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: You don't need a citation on your user page, only on an article page! Ryoung122 06:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is pulling your leg, dear Robert. Extremely sexy 20:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List updates

message: I wanted to extend a hand of congratulations (is that even a proper term?) to Canadian Paul for putting in the references for all individuals on the list. Useight 06:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, though really, I guess I'm just a somewhat anal guy with too much time on his hands at the moment... haha. Canadian Paul 06:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anal: explain? Extremely sexy 20:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though it was blatantly obvious that the GRG candidates came from Table E and even though the GRG was linked below the table, I still had to go through and reference every single last name. Cheers, CP 20:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stupid policy indeed then. Extremely sexy 20:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: *It is a minor point, but the opening line does not need "or older".  The first part of the sentence says they are "living". As such, anyone who "reaches" 110 and is "living" is on the list.  There can be noone who is "older" but has not reached 110. Alan Davidson 04:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ever heard of age 111, 112, 113, or 114? That's older than 110!Ryoung122 02:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The opening sentence should really be rewritten. DerbyCountyinNZ 05:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the mean time, should we delete "or older"? Alan Davidson 07:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion is: "This is a list of living supercentenarians (persons who have reached the age of 110); all those listed here have subtantial evidence to prove that they are currently 110 or older." Even that does not seem as good as it might.DerbyCountyinNZ 07:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I much prefer '110 or older.' Also note that, in reality, 110 years 0 days and 110 years 273 days is NOT the same age...Ryoung122 02:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're totally wrong. Someone who is 112 has reached the ages of 110, 111, and 112...someone who is 110 has reached the age of 110 but not the age of 111, 112, etc. Is that too hard to figure out?Ryoung122 02:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is gramatically incorrect and redundant. A person living who has reach 110 can (and almost always will) by older; it is gramatically implicit. Noone would believe the list comprises only living people who are exactly 110. That would be an absurdity. I enjoy discussion, but I do not like editing wars, so I will leave it to you. Alan Davidson 13:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is particularly poor grammar to have "as of currently <today's date>".  Because the date is automatically updated, it must always be current - the word "currently" is redundant. Alan Davidson 05:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Particualarly" is particularly-poor spelling. I agree that the above phrase is incorrect, let's see if we can find a compromise.Ryoung122 06:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good, persons who are 110 or older is much better than have reached 110 or older. Alan Davidson 10:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: *I went to delete Plazida Insausti (added to the GRG list on Sept 1, died on Sept 12), but it seems no one bothered to add her. So much for people keeping this list maintained. Ryoung122 02:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *That's because she had been added unnoticed: even Thomas Breining didn't notice, because her picture wasn't added either, until she passed. Extremely sexy 15:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List updating

message: For about a day now, many of the flags have been blank.  Is this just me, or is anyone else experiencing this. Alan Davidson 11:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just you! DerbyCountyinNZ 12:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just flags! Other things like WP:AUTO tags are also messing up! Ryoung122 22:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem solved I see. Extremely sexy 15:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you - all the flags are now working. Alan Davidson 01:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags

message: Once again, Bart's insistence on the spelling or punctuation of something is questionable. Note Madame L'Huillier's 112th birthday party, in French:
Val Plaisance
Mademoiselle L’Huillier fête ses 112 ans
Elle a 112 ans et n’est pas très loin d’entrer dans les livres des records. Marie-Louise L’Huillier dite « Maryse », doyenne de la Nouvelle-Calédonie, a fêté son anniversaire, hier après-midi, en compagnie de quelques membres de sa famille et d’amis. Née le 26 juin 1895 à Nouméa, avenue Marignon connue aujourd’hui sous le nom de rue Sébastopol « alors que la ville ne comptait que 6 000 habitants », comme l’a indiqué le maire Jean Lèques venu la saluer, Maryse a tout vécu et a assisté à toutes les évolutions de la capitale et de la Calédonie.
Jamais mariée, elle est connue des Nouméens par son sobriquet « Mademoiselle L’Huillier ». Sans enfant, elle a travaillé à la banque d’Indochine et a enseigné également le français dans un collège de Sydney. Alitée depuis quelques mois, cette grande dame qui a chevauché trois siècles, conserve à 112 ans, d’après ses proches, une grande classe, une mémoire extraordinaire ainsi qu’un excellent sens de l’humour.
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Marie-Louise L’Huillier, doyenne de la Nouvelle-Calédonie, a fêté, hier, son 112e anniversaire entourée de sa nièce et de ses enfants ainsi que du maire Jean Lèques et du père Pierre Ngo. Photo Jacquotte Samperez
Ryoung122 22:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Robert, first of all, it's not because it's an article in French that it is undoubtedly right (remember: journalists), and moreover, secondly, as I pointed out to you already a couple of times before, LAURENT TOUSSAINT told me this, and he should now, especially since he has proof of how her surname is written exactly, meaning he has some document. Extremely sexy 15:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bart: I have e-mails from Mr. Toussaint using the L'Huillier spelling. You should have him e-mail me if you consider this to be 'incorrect.' Ryoung122 11:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's rather strange: I will ask him. Extremely sexy 16:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marie-Louise L'Huillier

message: The GRG has another case! Born March 30, 1897! Ryoung122 09:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already added her before having read this. Extremely sexy 15:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hattie Lafayette

message: Another GRG case! 72.158.38.41 09:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, my friend. Extremely sexy 16:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Gentry

message: Died Sept 20 2007. Ryoung122 04:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But still no obituary. Extremely sexy 16:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why sure there is. Cheers, CP 16:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right: thanks then. Extremely sexy 03:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This makes E. Beatrice Riley the oldest lving Australian. Should someone create a short page to this effect? Alan Davidson 00:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Myra Nicholson 1894-2007

message: There are people listed like Nicholas Kao Se Tseien of China or Rosa Rein from Switzerland. Why has noone listed the following German SC`s?
: Margarethe Rosenberger (* November 13, 1896), currently 110 years old
: Frieda Borchert (* January 05, 1897), currently 110 years old
: Helene Heidtbreder (* May 19, 1897), currently 110 years old
: Frieda Tessmer (* August 05, 1897), currently 110 years old
I think they all are as verifiable as Nicholas Kao Se Tseien or Rosa Rein!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.248.213 (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but that still doesn't explain why we accept Nicholas Kao Se Tseien on the list... Cheers, CP 15:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because he is a Catholic priest (just joking)? Extremely sexy 23:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can accept this logic, mainly because it means less work for me. Cheers, CP 17:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: German SC-cases

message: According to this article:  Gertrude Shindel of the US is 110 years of age and doesn't appear on your list. The article does not give her date of birth, but does give her place of residence. Maybe this could be checked up on? ~XZT 29th September 2007
Greetings,
We have already checked up on her. She was born July 29 1897 and is scheduled to be added to the GRG list some time in Oct 2007. You can sign up here for the latest 'behind the scenes' updates:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Worlds_Oldest_People/
Regards
Robert Young
Ryoung122 05:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gertrude Shindel