Talk:Ahmad

message: This page needs to be watched closely. Many add their own names between the other names in the list, which is sometimes a bit hard to detect. -- Eagleamn 07:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Due to the various interpretations of the Quran from Arabic to English via Greek terminology ( evidenced by the insertion of words within brackets and / or parenthesis ), various interpretations and thus various meanings can be derived.  As with any religious text, there are the literal interpretations, esoteric, mystical, spiritual, etc.  One question to ask in deriving the meaning of this particular text with the name Ahmad: why the mention of the idea of "magic" or a similar term when speaking of the coming Messenger Ahmad?  Another question that can be asked is: why isn't Muhammad's actual name written in place of the name Ahmad?  The Arabic for Muhammad is different from the Arabic for Ahmad.  
Here are several translations of the passage in question in Surag As-Saf, verse 6:
Sahih International: 
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."
Pickthall: 
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when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.
Yusuf Ali: 
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
Shakir: 
And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.
Muhammad Sarwar: 
Jesus, son of Mary, said to the Israelites, "I am the Messenger of God sent to you. I confirm the Torah which is in existence and give you the glad news of the coming of a Messenger who will come after me named Ahmad." When this Messenger came to them with all the proofs (to support his truthfulness), they said, "He is simply a magician".
Mohsin Khan: 
And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."
Arberry: 
And when Jesus son of Mary said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.' Then, when he brought them the clear signs, they said, 'This is a manifest sorcery.'http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=61&verse=6  
One viable interpretation can point to what was considered "magic" or unbelievable on the day the Holy Spirit was poured onto the believers at the Day of Pentecost.  This is the promise Yeshua / Isa / Jesus made to His followers in the Gospel regarding 'who' would come after Him.  This sign can be seen as the Messenger mentioned in the Quran and thus the message of this particular passage when the name Ahmad ( highly praised ) is used and talk of 'magic' is mentioned.
Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.  They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.  All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.... Both Jews and converts to Judaism we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues.  Amazed and perplexed they asked "what does this mean?"
- Acts 2: 2-4, 11-12  --HafizHanif (talk) 20:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Monochrome Monitor, please provide further 'point of view' reference to expand the idea of "Ahmad."  I think deleting what has been added in the effort to expand the subject ( Ahmad ) is defeating the purpose of Wikipedia and preventing further learning or discussion.  I added the references to Jesus when speaking of someone who will come after him ( the premise of Ahmad in the Quranic passage ) because of the literal evidence in what you deleted.  HafizHanif (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various Interpretations and Meanings of the Term / Name Ahmad 

message: What does the section "Normal People" mean? Are the other people not normal? --76.28.6.218 (talk) 05:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Normal people?? 

message: It was the name his mother gave him. I have heard that he perferred to be called by it.
:If you know of a reference then please provide it. Saying "I have heard" it somewhere, sometime, by somebody doesn't work. Cuñado  - Talk 17:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Muhammad

message: Is the Turkish name Ümit related to Ahmad (like Turkish Mehmet and Arabic Muhammad)? —MK (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ümit 

message: A quick Googling of both names show that Ahmed has around 10 million more hits than Ahmad. To reflect this, I believe this page should be moved. --Enzuru 18:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As alluded to by Cuñado, Ahmad is a more correct transliteration of this name's Arabic root. There are many spellings of it in the Latin alphabet but as it is still the same name, it is preferred to go with the linguistically sound choice rather than the statistically sound one. An alternative is splitting the article, but I don't find that option appealing. Greg Ravn (talk) 22:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahmad snd (talk) is raising the issue of the alternate spelling, adding the Kurdish spelling (variant spelling issue) which is already addressed in the lexicon section and this talk section. I've reverted their good faith (yet without reasoning ) edit, and they've ignored my request to discuss their contention here. I find their re-edit unnecessary and now obtrusive. -- HafizHanif (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmed is more common than Ahmad 

message: Is it the same of Ahmed? --necronudist (talk) 12:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's another spelling of the same name, basically. Due to the number of names like this (Abraham, Ibrahim, Abram, etc. as one example), Wikipedia has to draw a line somewhere as to scope. I move coverage of the name Hamed should be on a different page because the consonant/vowel structure is different - technically, Ahmad is four consonants (ʔḥmd). Greg Ravn (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Hamed? 

message: Could we get the IPA for this name?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.7.182 (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA 

message: We need to make a decision about what exactly is going to go into this article. I concur that there should not be a list of Ahmads on a page about the name itself. This is to say, that if we do want this list, the article should be split into either Ahmad and List of people named Ahmad OR Ahmad (name) and Ahmad (disambiguation). In either case, the list that is currently in this page is poorly organised and spotty and my next move will be either rewriting it or removing it from this article.
I think if a list were at Ahmad (dab) it would comprise much less information than, for example, what is currently available. I would rather see a list like what the current one attempts to be and in its own page at List of.... I don't know whether this would be considered redundant as the page is already listed as a set index article. Whether to add (name) or something similar to the specifically anthroponymous article, and moreover whether a dab is in order regardless, are further questions. Greg Ravn (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As suggested, I've now made the list of names at Ahmad (given name).--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:02, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on article scope 

message: Hello Monochrome Monitor, please provide further 'point of view' reference to expand the idea of "Ahmad."  I think deleting what has been added in the effort to expand the subject ( Ahmad ) is defeating the purpose of Wikipedia and preventing further learning or discussion.  I added the references to Jesus when speaking of someone who will come after him ( the premise of Ahmad in the Quranic passage ) because of the literal evidence in what you deleted.HafizHanif (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Why does a list of people named Ahmad (or one of the variants) exist for this article?  Do we see a similar list of people listed for other names, either common or uncommon?  I propose deleting the list unless others have issue and/or can grant a decent reason in keeping it, and by its existence, will continue to encourage others to add to it. --HafizHanif (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a great fan of such lists, but there certainly are expected as part of such articles – that's mainly for disambiguation purposes (see MOS:APO). – Uanfala (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why list of people named Ahmad? 

message: This content was removed with the ES of  That content has been there since at least 2018. Why are those sources "inadequate"? 
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 Please respond. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 23:26, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tend to agree. I couldn't make sense of the references. I restored it to your last edit. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 01:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Encyclopedia of Islam content 

message: The best name ever heard 102.89.33.76 (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmad is the most special name  

message: A h m a d 62.201.255.156 (talk) 14:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmad