Talk:Developmental disability

message: I would not disagree with any definition of the diagnosis Developmental Disabilities offered here. My objection would be in merging the terms Developmental Disabilities with Special Needs. These are related but oh so different. Special Needs is, dare I say it, a political code word and is used by school administrators to apply political pressure to fund educational initiatives.Carrieblue (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: no it's not a "a political code word and is used by school administrators to apply political pressure to fund educational initiatives" as Carrieblue says it is a way for a school to explain in as few words as possible why certain accommodations are provided to certain students, that need them so that the rest of the class does not have as much of a advantage over them, so that hopefully said students don't have to suffer through accusations by there peers and perhaps the peers parents that they are being favored by the school. Even with the special needs label accusations of favoritism are a fact of life for students that are 'special needs'. I think Special Needs is an accurate label for Students with Disabilities. Tydoni (talk) 04:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should define the parameters of developmental disability. Which conditions fall into its scope? Jim Michael (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Moved from article space
Note: Cognitive impairment may also apply to elderly as a condition preceding Alzheimer's Disease.  Such cognitive impairment would not be classified as a developmental disability.  Some reorganization of this section, perhaps removing the redirect to this page, is required. Cognitive impairment is not synonymous with developmental disability.  Here is a blurb from a recent research abstract... which could use a page on simple cognitive impairment as opposed to developmental impairment.  Cognitive impairment also occurs at the latter stages of life, when development is already complete!!!
Thirteen elderly patients with mild cognitive impairment (MCI) were enrolled in Dr. Su's study. Patients with MCI are at high risk for developing AD. These 13 patients and 13 elderly control subjects underwent magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of the brain and performed recall tasks. On MRI images, ADC values were measured in gray- and white-matter regions by using the computer-aided analysis program. Findings were compared between patients and healthy controls.
:Sure. Go ahead, be bold! Natgoo 11:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the DSM, the term Developmental Cognitive Disability (DCD for short) refers to intellectual/cognitive disabilities as a subset of developmental disabilities, distinct from those that occur later in life. That term could be used in the article to help clarify, however I'm not familiar with what terms are used outside of the U.S. Of course only some developmentally disabled people specifically have DCD (by whatever name), just like only some of them have Cerebral Palsy or Autism. 2601:441:4400:1740:7CBB:F534:DB2F:42BC (talk) 20:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Cognitive impairment

message: Hi, I was recently harassed for "vandalizing" this page.
I added a picture of my friend, who suffers from a mental handicap and I have proof via test results done by multiple doctors, to this article. He is a generous and humble, sometimes shy, young man who wanted to add his image to the article. He is very positive about his disability and believed with every ounce of his heart that by adding info into the article, he would be helping those looking for information. Not being as computer literate as the rest of us, he asked me, his close friend, to help him do this.
I in no way defaced or vandalized the page and was harshly criticized by a user for doing so.
I would like to reinstate the picture, and I will prove all of the above if need be, and keep it there.
:(Added title for clarity) Sorry you feel that the criticism you received was harsh, but pictures are a tricky thing - I didn't remove it, but I'd be very uncomfortable with a picture of a person in this article. Mainly because most people with such disabilities don't have distinctive physical attributes to warrant a photo, and those who do (people with Down syndrome, for eg) are so often trotted out as the poster children for disability organisations because people pity them. I don't think we need to follow that trend here, nor do I think the article needs a photo, but I'm glad your friend wants to be involved in Wikipedia. Can you help him learn the basics of editing instead? Natgoo 13:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: PLEASE, PLEASE, YOU HAVE TO FIX YOUR DEFINITIONS!!! 
Developmental Disability (DD) is NOT the same as Intellectual Disability (ID). Person with DD may have ID but not always. Furthermore, person with ID always has a developmental disability just by definitions.
Please see these definitions:
Developmental Disabilities (DD)
Severe, chronic disability that: 
is attributed to a mental or physical impairment or combination of mental and physical impairments; 
is manifested before the person attains the age of 21; 
is likely to continue indefinitely; 
results in substantial functional limitations in three or more of the following major life activity areas: self care, receptive and expressive language, learning, mobility, self-direction, capacity for independent living, and economic self sufficiency; and 
reflects the person’s need for a combination and sequence of special and interdisciplinary or generic care, treatment, or other services which are of lifelong or extended duration and individually planned and coordinated.  
Reference:(PL 95-602 Rehabilitation, Comprehensive Services, and Developmental Disabilities Amendment of 1978, Section 119, 29 USC 794) 
Mental Retardation (MR) (old language, presently Intellectual Disabilities)
A disability characterized by significant limitations both in intellectual functioning and in adaptive behavior as expressed in conceptual, social, and practical adaptive skills. ��This disability originates before age 18. 
Five Assumptions Essential to the Application of the Definition 
Limitations in present functioning must be considered within the context of community environments typical of the individual's age peers and culture. 
Valid assessment considers cultural and linguistic diversity as well as differences in communication, sensory, motor, and behavioral factors. 
Within an individual, limitations often coexist with strengths. 
An important purpose of describing limitations is to develop a profile of needed supports. 
With appropriate personalized supports over a sustained period, the life functioning of the person with mental retardation generally will improve. 
References:
American Association on Mental Retardation (AAMR 1992) 
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM IV 1994) 
International Classification of Diseases (ICD 10 1994 )
American Psychological Association (APA 1996)
Intellectual Disabilities
"Whilst no one definition of intellectual disabilities has gained universal acceptance, it is generally accepted that the term intellectual disabilities encompasses any set of conditions, resulting from genetic, neurological, nutritional, social, traumatic or other factors occurring prior to birth, at birth, or during childhood up to the age of brain maturity, that affect intellectual development."
Reference: Summative Report to the World Health Organization by the International Association for the Scientific Study of Intellectual Disabilities 2000
For further reading:
Mental Retardation Is No More—New Name Is Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities
http://www.aaidd.org/About_AAIDD/MR_name_change.htm
--Jsisirak 18:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too fine a distinction to warrant further explanation in an encyclopaedia article, IMO. The only group of people that may be described as having an intellectual disability and not a developmental disability, according to my understanding of this definition, are people with brain injuries acquired after adolescence - who, in my experience, are usually still eligible for DD services if there aren't any ABI-specific services. Also, in the countries/ international bodies that solely use the term 'intellectual disability', there is no such distinction - in fact it's not one I've ever heard before. Yay for the US for coming into line with the rest of the world! Finally! Natgoo 13:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's an important distinction and deserves inclusion in this article.  ID is a synonym for MR.  It is a specific subset of developmental disabilities, but it's also a non-developmental disability.  You can acquire ID through brain injury, not just through developmental problems.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text:  Aspergers is not an intellectual disability, though it could be considered a mental disability.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.222.149.85 (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions

message: Hi there. I removed the following from the article:
The mentaly disabled people have unusually low IQ score ranges (from DSM-IV):
*mild mental disability: IQ 50–55 to 70; children require mild support; formally called "Educable Mentally Retarded".
*moderate disability: IQ 35–40 to 50–55; children require moderate supervision and assistance; formally called "Trainable Mentally Retarded".
*severe mental disability: IQ 20–25 to 35–40; can be taught basic life skills and simple tasks with supervision.
*profound mental disability: IQ below 20–25; usually caused by a neurological condition; require constant care.
because there isn't any IQ-based classification for developmental disabilities. There is, however, for mental retardation, but that info is already in that article. I've also removed the references to IQ in the causes section, for the same reason and because some of it was duplicate (prevalence in males). Natgoo 13:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It there is not, then there is not... In this case this information can be dropped from everywhere. If you have some reference for that, it would be good to fix the article about IQ as well. Audriusa 17:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a terminology issue more than anything, I think. People use 'mental disability' as a euphemism for mental retardation because the latter is only really accepted in certain contexts, but often use the same criteria. I think it's a matter of changing the links referring to 'mental disability' to 'mental retardation' where the latter is meant, such as in the IQ article (I think). I'll take a look now and change the links if appropriate. Cheers Natgoo 19:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And, I see you've sorted it. Thanks Natgoo 19:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IQ-based classification

message: In the US, many churches are beginning to offer family support and religious inclusion for disabled persons, especially developmentally delayed children. Typically churches offer these services to families of disabled persons and disabled members: education in an accommodated setting, family support groups, advocacy training, local school system information and social programs. 
However some local churches have actively excluded disabled people from attending due to perceived “danger” to other worshippers.  
Some churches are offering programs on the following topics to parents of developmentally delayed children:
•	Education in an accommodated setting
•	Family support groups
•	Advocacy training
•	Local school system information
•	Social programs.
External Links
http://www.woolridgeroad.org/SpecialNeedsMinistry/WideOpenDoorsConference/tabid/117/Default.aspx
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--disabledfaithful0419apr19,0,5136302,full.story
http://www.startribune.com/local/19033344.html?location_refer=Homepage
Bsarma200 (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Disabled people and religious inclusion” 

message: Given that special needs has grown to be pejorative in parts of the world and that many organisations promote the use of development disability, I propose that the Special needs article be merged into Developmental disability and then redirected. -- Horus Kol Talk 13:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a merger with "mental retardation"? I'm really not sure why an article exists with such archaic language. 83.76.212.39 (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I am working on the toxicology section of PFOA right now and I found that developmental delay links here but is totally not what I am looking for. It seems a separate page would be appropriate for that link. Thanks -Shootbamboo (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I will change the redirect into Specific developmental disorders. It is not the best redirect but at least these ones are true delays. (See text in section on DSM) Lova Falk talk 07:51, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developmental delay? 

message: The final sentence ("Several groups advocate ... and Special Olympics") has recently been added by 74.240.70.54 and makes me uneasy. This user has only made three edits to Wikipedia, all of them related to Civitan International, and clearly wants to promote this organisation: but I fail to see the rationale for including Civitan or the other two mentioned organisations (both US-based) in this article given that it has international relevence. There are probably thousands of organisations around the world which could be considered equally worthy of mention: naming three of them is only going to tempt people to add their own group to the list, until it becomes a random and unwieldy directory. I'm proposing this final sentence be removed  Dom Kaos (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advocacy section 

message: Yet again, another link has been added, this time to a Canadian organisation. I've removed it for the moment, as per my arguments in the above section  Dom Kaos (talk) 18:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing wrong with being a novice: newcomers are always welcome and I'm sure you have a lot to contribute :-) You have a fair point, and I was perhaps over-hasty in removing the link to L'Arche. My apologies. How about a compromise? I propose that the external links section be replaced with a "see also" section, like there is on the disability rights movement page. This section could include a wikilink to List of disability rights organizations: I notice that L'Arche isn't currently on that list page, and it would fit in very well. That way all the links stay on one page, and there's no danger of this page turning into a list. Would you be happy with that? Regards,  Dom Kaos (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me.  Having thought about things a little more, I understand now why it is that you're so concerned about the "link farm" potential, especially when it comes to groups and organisations that do a lot of work on the advocacy side of things. Encyclopedia articles about general topics like this one should, I think, focus more on the descriptive than on the prescriptive.  So your proposed solution sounds like a good approach to me.  Do we need to wait for other comments before proceeding, or do you want to go ahead and make the change?Njodonnell (talk) 14:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's fine to go ahead and to it - nobody else has joined in the debate thus far. I'll do it, and copy/paste the removed section here, so it can remain as an archive. Please feel free to add any relevant wikilinks to the "see also" list. I'm glad we've managed to reach an amicable agreement Dom Kaos (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me.  I appreciated our discussion. Keep up the good work!Njodonnell (talk) 17:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: How can "developmental disability" be synonymous with "learning disability" in the UK and "intellectual disability" in the US if cerebral palsy is a developmental disability? People with CP generally do not have mental disabilities, so I hope no one would call them learning disabled or intellectually disabled, as it would be incorrect.Gorramdoll (talk) 00:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cognitive impairment

message: I oppose this merge. I really don't have time to provide detailed comments about every merger Kikodawgzzz suggests. But simply put: Developmental disability concerns both physical and mental impairments. Mental retardation is a subcategory of Developmental disability. And since we already have a fairly long (and with a great potential) article about mental retardation, we don't want to merge these articles. Dodoïste (talk) 17:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the feelings of some of the posters here, we mention the common english terms in the lead section. Mental retardation is one such term. If it needs to be clarified, then that needs to happen in the lead section or a name section, not ignored. — LlywelynII 02:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with Mental retardation 

message: The very first 3 lines of the article is wrong. Developmental disability is NOT the same as developmental delay. The reference sited doesn't even make a mention of this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.54.162.129 (talk) 04:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Developmental disability

message: I edited out where the abbreviation DD had been defined and used for the only time in the article soon after. I am given to understand that the abbreviation is commonly used by mental health practitioners though, so I'd suggest working mentioning that in the introduction. I'm not an expert on the subject nor a very experienced Wikipedian, so I'm not doing it myself.
Dmbaguley (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "DD" Abbreviation

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