Talk:Hippie/Archive 1

message: I am an aging Hippie and proud of it! What is a Hippie? It depends on who you ask! If you ask Mike Wallace, it is someone who is unconventional or acts like a young derelict! LOL! Ask me and I'll say a person who is Hip or Cool or OK or Easygoing. In the Sixties a Male Hippie had long hair and wore Tye Dye T Shirts & Bell Bottom Denim Jeans. The first time I saw young men with long hair was in 1964 at JFK Airport when the Beatles arrived. Later that year I was watching NBC News Special Report and there was a Vietnam War Protest at The 1964 New York World's Fair and some young men with long hair were fighting with police on an escalator and the reporters and police were calling the protesters "Hippies" and noted they had long hair and were students at a University. Gabe Pressman was a reporter there. So the earliest report of a Hippie in my mind is 1964. Before that, the type were referred to as Beatniks. Hippies did not all have the same political beliefs or religious beliefs. Most Hippies were against the Vietnam War, but by 1975, everyone in America wanted out of Vietnam!
We just weren't gonna win that one. Drug use, especially Cannabis was seen by most young people whether they were Hippies or Square. It was part of the rites of passage. Most people nowadays see being a Hippie as a way guys used to get girls. It was not. It was a way of acting for rebellious youth. Hippies still exist, but the original 1964 crop is dying fast. Last I heard of any organised Counterculture was called "The Rainbows" and they had met in Colorado in the mid 90's. Most Hippie Communes have become defunct. Hippie music is still with us and defines the time. Hippies gave us the Apple Computer for home use and invented the PCR-DNA Test which has freed many innocent men from Prison! Hippies have created new Medicines and therapies and made life better.
--Supercool Dude 06:28, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also just want to say hey to all you beautiful cats and chicks out there. I miss you all. The world became a better place for ya, and thanks for making the dream come alive and stay alive for a while .... The whole thing was, of course, totally misrepresented by mainstream HIS-STORY ("The Meaning of the Sixties" ... HAH! Like they'd know!). Sometime someone will put it all together and put out The Book that hasn't been written yet. 
See y'all later! Twang 08:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hiya!

message: What's "nonsense" about a see also link to Calvary Chapel? The first sentence in its History section is "Calvary Chapel was once part of the Hippie "Jesus Movement" of the late 1960s." Seems to have more to do with hippies than bodhisattvas do. —alxndr (t) 21:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a "Calvary Chapelite", for lack of a better term, it's great to see a CC link in the Hippee 'see also' section.  However, I do find it intriguing that the word "Hippie" was added to the History section of Calvary Chapel only 2.5 hours before you made your edit here.  Coincidence?  --JesusFreak Jn3:16 00:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also section 

message: Wikia (formerly Wikicities) now has a new CounterCulture wikia inviting people to join in. I think that people interested in this subject might find it useful. It's only new but looking for contributors. Alpheus 11:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CounterCulture Wikia

message: The link to peacefeast2005.tk has only just been registered, by the looks of things- there's no content there, so I will remove it unless there are objections. EvocativeIntrigue 11:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: does anyone think it worth adding this link to an essay on this topic I wrote some years ago?  Peter morrell 15:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  link? 

message: But in fact overall, drugs were not and still are not considered a central theme in hippie culture
I removed the above statement by 205.188.116.71 because this user made an all encompassing statement leaving out very key pieces of information such as who doesn't consider drugs to be a central theme?  The “hippies”?  Americans?  Nicaragua?  What percentage of this group feels this way?  Half? 88%? This contributor also sounds like they’re coming to the defense of the hippie culture instead of listing factual information.  They could have given a key fact, statistic, quotation, or any other piece of information to defend their point. Simply saying that drugs weren’t and are still not considered a central theme is akin to me stating boldly that overall, the paint job on my car is not considered to be ugly.  I just can’t prove that. oo64eva (AJ) 22:25, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I was there, and drugs=hippies and hippies=drugs. There were those who used more, or less, than others, but the two were inseparable. To say otherwise is wishful revisionism. Such a statement may fly now, but in the 60's and 70's would have been laughed off the planet.--Doovinator 04:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it basically just wasn't thought about very much. Smoking tobacco didn't really mean much of anything one way or the other at the time; However the 'preferred' smoke, the smoke which more or less defined who was or wasn't a hippie, was certainly marijuana. If pot wasn't available, catnip or banana peels or tobacco would have to do.--Doovinator 07:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My personal two-cents worth (I was at Berkeley all through the late '60s): The pot most of us smoked then was, indeed, much more powerful than what's commonly imbibed now -- not because pot was innately more powerful but because we were pretty naive and generally broke. Rather than "Maui Wowie," most of us on campus got by on what George Carlin called "Toledo Windowbox," and you had to smoke half a dozen to get a decent high. Regarding tobacco: Smoking simply wasn't taken seriously as a health hazard yet and most of us smoked routinely. Tobacco wasn't so much the "establishment's drug" (that would be martinis, etc), it was just the most easily available and cheapest (about 30 cents a pack for unfiltered Camels, as I recall). I was too busy with grad school and supporting a family to be more than a hippie "fellow traveler", but I *do* miss the '60s! -----Michael K. Smith 00:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drugs

message: Though hippies embodied a counterculture movement, early hippies were not particularly tolerant of homosexuality. Acceptance of homosexuality grew with the culture.
Is this true? If so, how did Allen Ginsberg become a leader of the hippie movement? 
David R Alexander 4:11, July 16 2005
*Because, as the sentence said, acceptance of homosexuality grew with the culture -- and Ginsberg was by far the coolest homosexual peace-freak beatnik poet. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 23:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, generally, with the statement in the article. Remember that, while hippies were in rebellion against the previous couple of generations, they still grew up in the 1950s & early '60s. Homosexuality, except in a few enclaves like the Village, was a mystery and therefore a threat to most young people. Likewise, as many hippie chicks will recall, most male hippies were also pretty unenlightened about feminism. All that eye-opening came later and most of us grew into it. -----Michael K. Smith 00:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acceptance of homosexuality 

message: I have never heard of incense being strongly associated with hippies (at least not strongly enough for it to be characteristic). Maybe this should be removed?
*Musta never set foot in or near a head shop, then! Incense, beads, peace man! (Trust me on this; incense is present wherever hippies can spend money.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 23:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incense association 

message: The last three paragraphs of the "Neo-hippie" section seems like the very definition of OR. Whose observations and conclusions are these? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neohippie OR 

message: Perhaps you misunderstand what Wikipedia is.  It is a place where one may add to the information available about a certain topic.  It is not the  place to offer criticism, or praise, for a certain group.
Obviously you consider former hippies to be self-important, self-centered nostalgia freaks.  You may be correct in this assessment, but that is beside the point.  The word "hippie" does not have this pejorative connotation, which is what this section is about.
Please refrain from personal ruminations. Founders4 17:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who was this aimed at? Nuke Mecca 15:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pejorative connotations