Talk:Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2008

message: Le Pen? No reason for him to be mentioned in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.244.63.128 (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: This selection of quotes has little to do with the Irish referendum, and is misleading and extremely POV. If approperiate anywhere, it must be in the Treaty of Lisbon article. To say that the Constitution-Lisbon changes are only cosmetic, is simply wrong. Don't reinsert it. - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 04:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This article is about the proposed ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon by the Irish electorate. The quotes belong in the Treaty of Lisbon article or in the European Constitution article but not here. I have made one small change to the Cancelled European Constitution referendum section which should be agreeable to all. Snappy56 (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interests of balance I have added a link to the non party Libertas website. This group advocates a 'no' vote in the referendum. A previous link to a Sinn Féin website was removed on the grounds of "no parties", dubious but I'll let it pass. Libertas is not a political party but I assume this link should not be a problem. Snappy56 (talk) 06:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be better to have a structured list of party websites' sections on the Lisbon Treaty. - Instead of dubious think-tanks that pretend to be neutral or nonpartisan. - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 17:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Libertas are non party group advocating a no vote, that's not pretending to be neutral or non-partisan. They are entitled to their opinions, whether you like them or not. See also United_Kingdom_European_Constitution_referendum#External_links for non party no groups whose websites are in the External links section. Snappy56 (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes hard to see the difference between a serious think-tank or group, from unserious blogs. Let's say if Rupert Murdoch hated the EU so intensely he started a POV website against the Lisbon Treaty; it would never be included in the Treaty of Lisbon article on Wikipedia. - Because external links should be mainstream, credible and NPOV. Plus major political parties of course. All POV websites and unknown groups can't be included. The Libertas group is according to the Libertas article: "a small Irish group, established by multi-millionaire businessman Declan Ganley which is campaigning for a 'no' vote to the Treaty of Lisbon referendum being held in Ireland in 2008." I don't think this article should link to dubious things like that. Political parties is a standard limitation. - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you'd be wrong then. In our wonderful Irish democracy, we give everyone a say, no matter how looney they are, then we proceed to ignore them, but we do give them their say. Rupert Murdoch does hate the EU, he doesn't need to start websites, he has several newspapers at his disposal to put forward anti-EU opinions. Snappy56 (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what Rupert Murdoch does. "Give everyone a say"? - so you think this article should link to every little blog entry and hate-website related to the Lisbon Treaty? - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 12:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, give everyone a say! Are you afraid of the other sides arguments? I'd like to point out that I am one of the few EU citizens that has a vote on the Treaty of Lisbon, and I will listen to all arguments and all sides before making up my mind! Snappy56 (talk) 07:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: : (Obsolete paragraph; the objection below was proven immaterial.) --90.176.185.73 (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: I have moved this article inline with other failed amendments to the Constitution of Ireland, e.g. Twenty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 2002. Snappy56 (talk) 16:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Are those results correct? The percentages add up to 105! 83.70.235.251 (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct when you say the figures add up to 105%. Unfortunately, those were the actual figures given in the Irish Times article of Wednesday June 18th (see here). I do not know if they were a misprint in the article, or whether the newspaper accurately reported the results of the rush EC Commission poll and the poll had the 105% total. Given the speed with which the poll was produced (the vote was the previous week), I suspect the latter. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: There is a standard Wikipedia CSS class for tables, called "wikitable". That sets colours and borders in a way which is consistent across articles, and in general it should be used with minimum adornment, to ensure consistency and readability.
I can see no specific case for applying markup to this article; there may be a general case for changing the CSS in particular implementations of the class "wikitable", but nothing that I can see which applies specifically to this article and not to others. In other words, if you want to change the way in which tables displayed on wikipedia, then the appropriate course of action is to go to the appropriate place to argue for them all being changed, rather than just adding style markup to this particular table in this articles.
Adding the colourings and borders can be disruptive to the reader. Like most users, I use the default monobook theme, and you markup works in that theme, but there is guarantee that it will work in any other theme. Introducing unnecessary markup into an article simply reduces its portability, by creating the possibility of display glitches in other themes, whether on Wikipedia on the many WP mirror sites. Snappy56 (talk) 03:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: No-one ever refers to this as the "28th Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Bill, 2008", however technically correct it may be. I suggest it is moved to something on the lines of the 2008 ratification of the Lisbon Treaty by Ireland. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have some evidence that the bill has another popular name, then please provide that evidence.  The current name is both technically accurate for the bill and consistent with the naming of other bills, bit it seems to me that there may be a case for splitting the article to remove the material on the first referendum to a separate article, per W:SPLIT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I explained in the " Confused" section, the current name is not technically accurate. jnestorius(talk) 03:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the current name. It is accurate and I have to add that this article is very good.--Andrewire (talk) 10:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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