Talk:History of the Russian Federation/Archive 2

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It was noted on FAC that this article needs an section on culture. I started one below, as it is not ready to be added it the article yet. 172 19:47, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I just went ahead and added the section. Feedback on the new section will be helpful. Thanks. 172 18:31, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled section

message: as long as the section on the 1998 financial crisis is, there is so much more information on the subject that I think it should have its own article.  Especially where it relates to the rest of the world, as in the book When Genius Failed which is about Long Term Capital Management.  Right now I don't have time but I'll start one over the weekend using parts of this as a skeleton.  Ignignot 13:36, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
:Good to hear! Content on Russia is needed in Asian financial crisis, an article that needs a lot of work in general. (It should be moved to World financial crisis of 1998 as well.) This could offer greater detail on the economic issues. 172 21:02, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  other things the article needs 

message: good grief, I was just reverted for helping standardize the links. Please review Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Free_links, linking the first occurance of a word is not redundant, its proper editing style. This article is a long way from FAC material, and this sort of attitude towards proper style isn't helping any. Sam [Spade] 19:11, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You were linking the same items over and over again. This is redundant and an eyesore. 172 19:15, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinks 

message: I removed the following paragraph from the intro:
The History of post-Soviet Russia is one of the most important examples of the transition from a state controlled economy to a market economy, from Communism to Capitalism, and at least in theory, from totalitarianism to democracy. None of these transitions have been easy, and some of them may not have occurred at all, depending on ones analysis of present day Russia. 
There are so many things wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to begin. (1) The word "Communism" is meaningless in this context. While the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Soviet state were embedded in each other, while the country was ruled by the CPSU, the economy and society of the Soviet Union could not be described as "communist" according to any definition of the term (and indeed no modern economy and society).  (2) The word "totalitarian" is hopelessly POV. "Totalitarianism" is not a government-type (in the sense of a republic, monarchy, constitutional monarchy, confederation, etc.), which is NPOV and universally recognized based on a common definition, but rather a concept. "Totalitarianism" is a theoretical regime typology conceived of in many different ways by many different scholars in order to understand the politics of single-party states. (For that matter, it is a concept that has fallen out of favor in academic Soviet studies in the West since the late 1960s). (3) It is not up to Wikipedia to state that Russia is heading on a path to "democracy," whatever that catchphrase means. (4) The political liberalization of Russia (the changes to the 1978 constitution, the banning of the CPSU in Russia, the direct election of a Russian president, etc. took place to a great extent in the late Gorbachev years, as the Soviet Union was unraveling. Thus this sentence would actually fit better in History of the Soviet Union (1985-1991) than this article. To call the time span between December 1991 and today a transition from "totalitarianism to democracy" is not only POV but totally absurd and not grounded in historical reality. 172 01:34, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro paragraph

message: I thing that the sentence "Putin, after all, is credited with the recovery by many, but he really came into office at an ideal time: after the devaluation of the ruble in 1998, which boosted demand for domestic goods, and rising world oil prices, but his ability to withstand a sudden economic downturn has been unchecked" needs to be reworded, but am not quite sure how to do it. Dan Gardner 20:03, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It was my pleasure going through the list. All those changes were much-needed. 08:44, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewording

message: : We seem to be seeing POV creep, with attempts to make the parliament look heroic, Yeltsin the villain.  I'd like to point out that both sides have their supporters, and the correct place to note all this is in the main article.  I've reverted it to a shorter summary, but I will certainly not get into an edit war over the issue. For my part, I think I'll withdraw for now from active contributions to a topic which is infested, in Wikipedia as everywhere else, with accusations of propaganda. A. Shetsen 18:14, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that we're seeing a POV creep just yet. One anon added some POV changes, which you correctly reverted, but that's just it. 172 19:03, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: POV creep

message: I haven't found any references to political instability in Russia in 1991, it was the [[Soviet Union|Soviet] that was unstable and collapsed but the evidence is that Yeltsin forged political stability quite quickly, notwithstanding Russia's many other problem inherited from the Soviet. So I've removed the unsourced claim about instability. Libertas
:Libertas, you are probably not familiar with or forgot the political georgaphy of Russia. Please take a look into Federal subjects of Russia. It contains  a number of natinonal autonomies, and after the secession of Baltic states in many of pieces of Russia  nationalistic movements started, aimed at secession, of varying strength, when the consolidating power of communists was shattered. 
:Also, if you doubt some claim, the first act is to ask questions, rather than cut and slash. A person cannot know everything. If I hadn't "found any references to political instability", I would ask friends to help me to find them. One cannot simply remove some claim without giving reasons of doubt. That you didn't find it is not a valid reason. 
:The referred piece briefly summarises the topic, but unfortunately wikipedia doesn't have an article at hand on this issue. The proper way would be to request this article from people who know the topic. The whole subject is huge, and you cannot have it all at once. We work gradually. You cannot imagine how ridiculous articles about the Sovietr Union were 2 years ago. They improved enormously.  Mikkalai 07:25, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Politically unstable?

message: 1. As per Wikipedia:Cite sources, create a 'References' section out of Notes/External links. 2. As per Wikipedia:Footnotes, please remove all external links from main body, move to Notes and link with footnotes. While I don't think this article is in FARC danger just with those 2 deficiencies, it is falling behind our current standards and wouldn't pass FAC today until those technical issues were resolved. Tnx and please let me know when this is adressed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:49, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please update to current standards 

message: The article states that Yavlinsky was the liberal alternative. In Russia liberal frequently refers to liberal-criminals, also known as privatizators. Yavlinsky, though shares some liberal values, propose a social-acceptable model of economy and is a permanent critic of liberal-criminals.
Also, liberal may refer to LDPR, party of Zhirinovsky — another Yavlinsky's enemy. I think, some disambiguation required.
: LDPR is neither liberal nor democratic. I's a very autoritarian party led by charismatic leader. Granted, in Russia, any political term may mean whatever, so don't look at them too believingly.
Ilyak 23:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Yavlinsky a "liberal"? 

message: Does it exist somewhere for this article?  Maybe, work is in progress? 
гык 18:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You can contribute to translation at :ru:История Российской Федерации.
гык 06:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian translation 

message: Quoting article:
Overwhelming successes at the Olympics and the great national ice hockey teams have become things of the past.
2004 Summer Olympics result for Russia is #3 overall, #2 by medal count, as you can easily see from table.
I would not in any condition call this situation "thing of past". You can't compete with ones with vastly overwhelming resources, and everyone other is 0wned, hackishly speaking.
So please correct that.
Ilyak 23:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To be fair... ther majority of ex. Soviet athlets are playing for the U.S., Canada or other western nations... so if you tally those up, the USSR is still going strong in the Olympics ;)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.135.37 (talk) 01:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very biased/inaccurate statement: 

message: This section is both unduly emotional and long outdated. In particular, the two paragraphs starting 
"The new capitalist opportunities..." to "entrenched themselves as powerful players." is exceedingly general and opinionated. Of the "oligarchs" listed further in the section, only a few had any "insider positions" when they started their businesses. 
Also the last two paragraphs of the section are outdated, to say the least. Sredni vashtar 21:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section on oligarchs

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thread_title:  Featured article review 

message: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296441,00.html
This should be added to the article.  Xaritix 01:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Government Dismantling

message: The result was no merge -- Otebig (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: This paragraph:
"Following the economic reforms of the early 1990s, Russia suffered from a sharp increase in the rates of poverty and inequality.[7] Estimates by the World Bank based on both macroeconomic data and surveys of household incomes and expenditures indicate that whereas 1.5% of the population was living in poverty (defined as income below the equivalent of $25 per month) in the late Soviet era, by mid-1993 between 39% and 49% of the population was living in poverty.[8] Per capita incomes fell by another 15% by 1998, according to government figures."
implies that the worsening of economic conditions during this era can be directly attributed to the "economic reforms of the early 1990s". This has not been established. In fact most of the collapse in the standard of livings took place in 1990 and 1991, before any of the major "shock therapy" reforms were implemented. Hence I propose changing "Following the economic reforms of the early 1990's" to something more NPOV and non-OR like "Following the economic collapse of the early 1990's".radek (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic paragraph 

message: Not entirely sure about this paragraph:
"On October 23, 2002, Chechen separatists took over a Moscow theater. Over 700 people inside were taken hostage in what has been called the Moscow theater hostage crisis. The separatists demanded the immediate withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya and threatened to blow up the building if authorities attempted to enter. Three days later, Russian commandos stormed the building after the hostages had been subdued with a sleeping gas, shooting the unconscious militants."
No mention of the 120 odd hostages who were killed by the chemical agent which was used?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.192.112 (talk) 20:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic paragraph 

message: Is there a reason why the edits of the federal era beyond the late 00s have been deleted because it has been five years since the last update wasn't deleted. So should more info be put in to the document in the years since? --203.59.193.180 (talk) 05:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably paid trolls at work.Wikidgood (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Stopping at 2008

message: Russian Federation was established on 26 December 1991. Therefore, the correct name for the article should be History of Russia (1991–present) Nicolas Love (talk) 06:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the article must be corrected 

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message: This is very biased article. It must be changed ASAP! Nicolas Love (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any evidence of bias in this article. Which parts of the article need to be changed? Jarble (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased article 

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