Talk:This Land Is Your Land

message: The Woody Guthrie page lists original lyrics quite different from original lyrics mentioned on this page.
* The version on the Woody Guthrie page are the same lyrics found in the external link to the 1940 manuscript, but the 1945 version quoted in this article is apparently the first published version.   Maybe we should merge the info? Silly Dan 00:04, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
Added new section titled "Original 1940 lyrics" Rochkind (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Different Lyrics

message: There are a couple of concerns about my recent edits here:  First, I added links to Redwood for "Redwood forest", Long Island for "New York Island", and Rocky Mountains for "Canadian mountain" in the Guthrie lyrics, but I'm not sure if those are the most appropriate articles to link.
*I'm sure "the New York Island" has to mean Manhattan, and I changed it accordingly.--Pharos 22:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Links and New York Island

message: Secondly, I don't know the origin of the Canadian lyrics -- hopefully my excerpt isn't a copyright violation. Silly Dan 00:54, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)
*Added the attribution. Silly Dan 23:53, 2005 Jan 15 (UTC)
Canadian lyrics by The Travellors .in 1955.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:404:4A0:19D:A080:3B49:A965 (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian Lyrics

message: Along FDR's "Nation of immigrants", I believe that this song is not restrictive. On PBS "American Experience" and "Sesame Street", Pete Seeger singing along with children and Peter, Paul and Mary with chorists, it's a welcome song of being together.
Takima 12:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This land is made by you and me

message: What is the real story of Tis Land is your land?
:Here's my understanding, "This Land is Your Land" is left-wing protest song written as a counter to self-infatuated, pro-establishment songs like "God Bless America". It's aim was to express a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism with almost socialist values, that emphasised the common identity of the Amerian people aswell as protesting against the selfish and unpatriotic nature of private property and  the disgraceful conditions many  Americans were forced to live under. Considering all this, it's really quite sickening to hear Republicans misusing a song written by a socialist to express his socialist convictions.Nwe 09:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trying to find history about this land is your land

message: According to the 2005 boxed set, "This Machine Kills Fascists", this is a traditional song and was arranged by Woody Guthrie (i.e. not actually written by him).  Does anyone know if this is accurate, and should the page be updated to reflect this? Adam McMaster 09:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First I've ever heard of it. He owned the copyright. - DavidWBrooks 10:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditional Song?

message: In this article, someone wrote: "In modern times, the first verse is often sung as:" and then proceeds to list the lyrics to the Canadian version of the song, not a modernized American version, which they seem to think it is. I'm an American, but when I was in elementary school in the mid 1980s, I remember our music teacher telling us that there was a Canadian version of the song, and those are the lyrics. The places mentioned in the verse obviously refer to Canada, not the United States. 66.251.84.28 17:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "In modern times..."

message: Woody Guthrie did not intend this to be a patriotic song. It is a protest song. This should be taken out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.195.9.71 (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What should be taken out? The article is quite clear about Guthrie's intentions. - DavidWBrooks 20:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Patriotic Music?

message: A popular parody among schoolchildren is
This land is my land
This land ain't your land
I got a shotgun
And you don't got one
I'll blow your head
If you don't go away 
This land was made just for me
I heard Pete Seeger sing this verse at a children's concert at my elementarty school in Brooklyn NY in the mid 1960s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.240.57 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 24 May 2007
: I attended elementary school in Los Angeles in the 1970s, and everyone knew that version well.  (Our version began "This land is my land, and only my land", but was otherwise identical to yours.)  If you sang it on the other side of the country a decade earlier, that suggests that this parody may have been extremely widespread.
: Perhaps it should be mentioned in the article?  I did a quick internet search to see if I could learn its source.  This parody appears on the internet in many places (including at least two people who claim they wrote it in the 1980s -- which is obviously false).  But I didn't find anything reliable. — Lawrence King (talk) 06:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in the article at one point, when we were swimming in parodies and unofficial versions, and if I recall correctly was removed as part of a clean-up. It really needs some sort of good source, or else it will open the parody floodgates. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Parody

message: Many songbooks include the freedom highway verse, and this verse was sung in many of the later covers. Arlo claims Woody taught it to him. In fact, this is an original Woody Guthrie verse as it appears in one of his many self published song books. The song (as "This Land") appears in the April 1945 songbook "Book One: Ten Songs." Here are the lyrics including the freedom highway verse.
CHORUS:	THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND THIS LAND IS MY LAND.
			FROM THE REDWOOD FOREST TO THE NEW YORK ISLAND
			THE CANADIAN MOUNTAIN TO THE GULF STREAM WATERS
			THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU AND ME.
AS I GO WALKING THIS RIBBON OF HIGHWAY
I SEE ABOVE ME THIS ENDLESS SKYWAY
AND ALL AROUND ME THE WIND KEEPS SAYING:
THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU AND ME.
I ROAM AND I RAMBLE AND I FOLLOW MY FOOTSTEPS
TILL I COME TO THE SANDS OF HER MINERAL DESERT
THE MIST IS LIFTING AND THE VOICE IS SAYING:
THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU AND ME.
				WHERE THE WIND IS BLOWING I GO A STROLLING
			  THE WHEAT FIELD WAVING AND THE DUST A ROLLING
			  THE FOG IS LIFTING AND THE WIND IS SAYING
			  THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU AND ME.
			NOBODY LIVING CAN EVER STOP ME
		    AS I GO WALKING MY FREEDOM HIGHWAY
		    NOBODY LIVING CAN MAKE ME TURN BACK
		    THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU AND ME.
Facsimile, Typed out version
Keep in mind that Woody probably never sang the same song the same way twice anyway.
--Parsa (talk) 16:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Freedom Highway verse

message: I changed this verbiage at the top to "one source erroneously claims." I thought the previous rendering, "However, some sources claim" contradicted the sentence above. But what I really should have done, and didn't do, was to go and find the sheet music and compare it (or find recordings of both Carter Family songs, and determine the truth myself by ear.
I guess I'm saying that I took a guess. I'm changing it back. Alan Canon (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "some sources claim"

message: A section of this article is called "Confirmation of two other verses" (which I just changed from "other two"—I imagine it's short for "the other two", but "two other" seems a lot more natural).  However, that section now deals with three or four verses: two versions of "trespassing", "freedom highway", and "relief office".  If the section confirms that Guthrie wrote all of them, the number should probably be changed.  Also, it says, "A 1945 pamphlet which omitted the last two verses has caused some question as to whether the original song did in fact contain the full text. The original manuscript confirms both of these verses."  But it's not clear which are "the last two verses".  The last two mentioned in this section? —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 06:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: two verses?

message: The number of other national/racial/ethnic altneratives is getting awfully long; somebody adds a new one every couple of weeks. (It's pretty easy to make your own version, I guess.) It's in danger of turning into a miscellany list, if it hasn't done so already.
I think we could kill them all and just write a paragraph or two saying that many variations have been written using other geographic sites, expressing solidarity for countries, etc. Does anybody else agree? Disagree? (I am going to kill the Waterboys version, since we have a couple other Irish ones already) - DavidWBrooks 22:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kill off all the other versions?

message: Is there any info on his financial life?  Did he give concerts?  Work as a singer through a corporation?  Record & sell his songs?  Did he live & die poor?  Stars4change (talk) 05:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure he died without a possession in the world, gave away all his records for free, and only ever gave free concerts. Otherwise he would have been a hypocrite. Hanxu9 (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Any info on his financial life

message: Where are the lyrics for the "Indian" version from? I grew up in India and I have never heard this version. If no can come up with a citation I suggest deleting this part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdeuskar (talk • contribs) 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian lyrics

message: A common variation on this when I was about 10 years old, my school mates would sing the following:
this land is my land, it isn't your land
From California to the New York Island
From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for only me.
and so on with verses about various amounts of violence to be used in typical childlike fashion.  The other variations on this song listed on this page I am less familiar with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.157.85 (talk) 04:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Children's Variation

message: I've added :Category:Canadian patriotic songs as this is a highly notable, and still popular, patriotic tune in Canada, noting in my edit comment there are more Canadian-version verses; I'll see if I can find them.  I note the objections above in some section about its inclusion; but where else to put it? - "This Land Is Your Land (Canada)" or "This Land Is Your Land (Canadian version) seems unnecessary, especially given this is originally a Woody Guthrie song and not traditional; perhaps the Cdn patriotic song category could go on the redirect....It's so ingrained in Canadian education that it's sometimes assumed it's Canadian in origin (certainly the Travellers' lyrics are); Red River Valley is in the opposite direction, originally a tune of Metis exile, the expulsion/resettlement after the US annexation of the region from the 1818 Treaty giving most of it to the US....but that's another matter, just a side-comment.  Maybe taht redlink I just made could be a redirect to the section on this article containing the Canadian version?Skookum1 (talk) 21:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian patriotic song

message: I find the Ludlow copyright to be suspicious to begin with, because of its date (1956, just around when Woody Guthrie was hospitalized at Greystone Park Psychiatric Hospital for Huntington's disease). Did Ludlow, Inc., take advantage of this psychiatric malady to coerce Guthrie into giving them publication rights? If so, it might have been bad form to go about copyrighting the song in the first place, as it might not have been what Guthrie would've wanted before taking ill.  —  Rickyrab | Talk 03:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ludlow copyright

message: I remember hearing a modified, fifty state version in the 1960s:
...
From Blue Hawaii to the New York island,
From Mount McKinley to the Gulf Stream waters ...
Doesn't quite work that way, does it?
WHPratt (talk) 19:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  50-State Version 

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