Talk:Dr. Rajkumar

message: In early life part already mentioned he is from kannada speaking family so I shall be removing excess content he was/is kannada matinee idol.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5025:1915:DD6:A140:A96A:D53D (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

message: This needs a copy edit for grammar and style. --Theo  (Talk) 20:01, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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message: He had indicated in in an interview that his mother tongue was Telugu not Kannada. Please do resaerch on it befor starting an edit war. I will find the interwie and post it here.RaveenS 12:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide. Also, please refer to the citations provided below, which prove Kannada was Rajkumar's mother tongue. - KNM  Talk -  Contribs 05:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: He belongs to the Ediga caste (forgive me for talking about this). He is a Kannadiga who happens to manage Tamil and probably Telugu. Nareshov 09:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His mother tongue is Telugu

message: The very name "swamayya" in his full name is a Kannada name, not Telugu. There are no "swamy"s
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dinesh—Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.42.208.182 (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dinesh, I dont know about the origin of Rajkumar. But -swamayya suffix is not patented by kannadigas. Enugula veeraswamayya is the 19th century telugu personality who wrote 'kashi yastra charitra' (a travelogue) --Vyzasatya 17:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "...not patented..." - True Nareshov 09:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin 

message: There have been edit wars over the location of Gajanur, mostly by anonymous users. Well I have created a page on Gajanur. Any further discussions on this topic can be had at the talk page there. Jay 13:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gajanur

message: I have removed all sentences without proofs. Like the charity homes for widows and asking journalists not to publish his charities. Please state references for these -- Wikicheng 13:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Charity

message: Lot of edits have been made in the recent past, changing the Rajkumar's name to and from Kannada and Tamil. 
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Here are the proofs to show Dr.Rajkumar's mother tongue was indeed Kannada.
* Raj's Gokak movement was for Kannada and he(along with majority of Kannada film industry artists and people) travelled all over Karnataka to request the rights that the language Kannada deserved. In various speechings during that movement, he has repeatedly talked about his mother tongue.
:Reference: Old television clippings shown during and after Rajkumar's cremation rituals. (April 12,13,14 2006)
* Rajkumar has talked about his mother tongue as Kannada, during the presentation ceremony of "Karnataka Ratna" award in Bangalore. Live telecasted in Doordarshan, during the presentation.
* Written proofs available in various websites. Search for "mother" or "mother tongue" in any of the below references.
** newindpress.com's Rajkumar Profile 
** Rajakumar, king of Kannada cinema: Rediff Article 
** chennaionline article on Rajkumar's humility
** Rajnikanth about Rajkumar [Ref]
: "What endeared Rajkumar to the Kannada masses was his love for his mother tongue. He actively participated in a movement for the supremacy of the Kannada language in the eighties. Rajkumar respected Kannada scholars and writers ".
Thanks. - KNM  Talk -  Contribs 03:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mother Tongue

message: The official website listed (http://www.rajkumarmemorial.com) on the main page summary is not the official website. It is a fan site. So please remove that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K.ramesh@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 15:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Official website has been updated.
--Deepak Gowda 12:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Official Website

message: The section Rajkumar#Memorable songs of Rajkumar seems bit odd in this article, and apparently just POV of some editor(s) who have generated that list. "Memorable" is a subjective item. Is it published in any article from any of the reliable sources? If yes, we can mention few of them as part of a paragraph, citing the reference. If not, we can completely remove this section. Any suggestions/comments? - KNM  Talk 02:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? I will remove this section, tomorrow, unless there is a valid justification for it. Thanks - KNM  Talk 05:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was/is no objection, I am going to remove this section now. Thanks - KNM  Talk 23:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Memorable songs

message: This article is in desperate need of a clean up. The article seems to have had various edits by ardent fans whose opinions and edits have little value in a quality wikipedia aricle. "Waking up early in the morning", "drinking only milk" and also similar information are highly trivial and non-verifiable- and does not contribute towards the biography. This article should stop being a Fan site and start being a verifiable, balanced wikipedia article. Outlets of emotions of the fans can be had in the respective fan club web sites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.172.199.77 (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fan site

message: As I have experienced some of Wikipedia's rules, some sentences in the introduction need references. Furthermore, the language resembles a fansite at times, and as I saw on other articles, words like icon should never appear in an encyclopedia. I therefore took the liberty and rewrote it partially. please help me improve Kannada articles. I also want to be a user.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.124.11.237 (talk) 06:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Rajukumar 

message: The article almost doesnt cite references. There is trivia. redundant sections. Imporove it plz! Kulshi Balu.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulshi balu (talk • contribs) 08:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

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message: I don't see any valid justification why this article takes the entire Rajkumar namespace. Possibly, it could take the Dr. Rajkumar (actor) namespace, or the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, but neither Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar due to the existence of other notable persons who have the same name. Therefore, it is only reasonable that the Rajkumar namespace should redirect to the disambiguation page Raj Kumar, while this article should be under the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, referred to in the disambiguation page as Dr. Rajkumar (actor). However, if there is any valid and reasonable justification to the contrary, then please clearly indicate (as I have yet to see any). Ncmvocalist (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 1 comment: there is no other notable person with name Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar till now. Bollywood actor's name is Raaj Kumar.GDibyendu (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move to Rajkumar (actor)

message: Introduction paragraph can be changed to:
Dr. Rajkumar (Kannada:ಡಾ. ರಾಜ್ಕುಮಾರ್), born as Singanalluru Puttaswamayya Muthuraju (Kannada:ಸಿಂಗನಲ್ಲೂರು ಪುಟ್ಟಸ್ವಾಮಯ್ಯ ಮುತ್ತುರಾಜು) on April 24, 1928, died on April 12, 2006, was the most popular actor in Kannada film industry. He mainly worked in Karnataka and usually seen as a role model to Kannadigas.[citation please]
He is popularly referred as "Dr. Raj" or "Natasarvabhouma" (Soverign King of Acting?) or "Annavru" ((Kannada: ಅಣ್ಣಾವ್ರು) (Big Brother)). He was called as the John Wayne of South Indian cinema.[1] He acted in more than 200 Kannada movies in a career spanning over five decades. Most of his movies were epic films (myhological?) in Kannada film industry. He was also a well-known singer, both as a playback singer in movies and as a devotional singer. His voice is referred as kogile kanta (Voice of Koel?). Rajkumar is the only Indian actor who has received national awards for both acting and singing.[2] (Great info: add interlinks for acting to National Awards for Actor page, and similarly for singing also)
I didn't make these changes, particularly because I am not sure of English meaning of some words and phrases used here. But English meanings are needed for English Wikipedia, I feel. I can volunteer for interlinking work and minor rephrasing of sentences, if needed. I understand that it is an important article. Thanks.GDibyendu (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some suggestions

message: There is book "RaJ Kumar :Prize catch by Verappan" ,written by Dinakar, the then Dgp of Karnataka about the Rajkumar kidnapping saga...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeprk83 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: RajKumar's Kidnapping

message: The following links were removed from the external link section under our guidelines. Some such as rediff may potentially be reliable sources that could be used to verify some content in the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential sources

message: I have added the neutrality tag to the article. This article looks like a fan site of Rajkumar, rather than an  encyclopaedia. I removed "Dr. Rajkumar", which I found in many places long back but some users keep adding that. Lot of such problems are there in this article. Filmfare Best Actor awards need reliable sources. --Commander (Ping Me) 08:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Dr.' title has now been deleted from unnecessary locations. The part about filmfare awards that was deleted yesterday has not been reverted in this article for lack of reliable sources. List these  'lot of such problems'  here in the article, I'll try and correct them. Shall let the POV tag stay for now to avert edit-warring. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 09:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not add those tags presuming bad faith. I had this page on my watchlist for more than a year and am definitely not a passer-by. I was the also the one who expanded the Filmfare Awards South page before 1980s. The awards for Kannada films were given only after 1969. Rajkumar had won only 2 filmfare awards till 1980. After that he might have won 8 awards, but since I could not find any source, I removed his name from the list. The same thing happened for N. T. Rama Rao also, where some fans added that he won 11 Filmfare awards and that too ten in a row, which is quite hard to believe. This is a BLP, but it praises only about his film career. The article needs a lot of work. --Commander (Ping Me) 09:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Never questioned the deletion of filmfare awards part. Just asking you to make a list of issues that make this a non-neutral article. Hope this is clear. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 09:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Waited long enough. Will remove the tag in a couple of days. Thanks, Niri M / ನಿರಿ 16:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ofcourse, but I see no changes made since then. Most of the sections lacks sources. --Commander (Ping Me) 12:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If citations are the problem, then please use Citation needed tag at necessary places. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 12:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again, thank you for working with me here to help enhance the article. Much appreciated, thanks again. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 08:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the inputs. Last three points were already there, the first one was added today and comes with a reliable source. Even I was wondering if the last point you've put across really mattered, but now that it appears it is not, I've removed it. Keep in mind that certain things make a person, and on this occasion, it's his sense of discipline which is in fact widely discussed. So the section shall stay but I've redid it. Will remove the NOT tag - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 14:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Niri M / ನಿರಿ : 
Singanallur is near to Coimbatore and nowhere near to the border of Karnataka and tamil nadu.The town is 200 kms from the border . i guess facts has to be presented as is in wikipedia.Let me know if you are in agreement and reverting your edit Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 14:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is the Singanallur that is located in Coimbatore. Both must be different. --Commander (Ping Me) 14:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

text:  Well, now the birthplace itself is changed.LOL.The previous edits clearly indicates that this is a Fan page rather than a wikipedia page..if wrapped and concealed information is what the world wants to know , let it be so. Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 07:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Singanallur

message: the whole karnatka knows that rajkumar born in gajnur, why u guys misleading others by adding false data ? 
authenticated sources to support my claim
http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl2308/stories/20060505002309800.htm 
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/apr/12rajobit.htm 
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004660/ 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/859391.stm 
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2006-04-13/news/27427482_1_kannada-film-industry-treatment-for-neurological-problems-rajkumar
and sources mentioned about his birthpace as singanallur seems to be not verified by other wikipedians (their edit behaviour can be seen in recent edit summary)
first source just says "Puttaswamaiah the father of Late Dr. Rajkumar the famous Kannada film actor hails from the Singanallur village of the Kollegal Taluk" 
and the second source doesn't mention anything about rajkumar birthplace, it just brief about kollegal taluk]
203.109.122.194 (talk) 07:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The website of Rajkumar Trust says that he was born in Singanallur and brought up at Gajanur. Do we need any source which is more reliable than this. —Commander  (Ping me)  07:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, i will contact them about this. thanks 203.109.122.194 (talk) 08:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

text:  IP has a point. Besides, he/she has provided a whole list of sources. BBC, TOI, Hindu among several others (not counting IMdB). Birth place can be changed accordingly. PS: just for the record, I didn't revert the birthplace edit. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ (Talk) 08:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, I think that the TOI and BBC sources would be the best, per WP:PSTS. The website of Rajkumar trust is a primary source. If there is another reliable third party source, independent of the subject available supporting the official page, then we can list that in the infobox and say something like "It has been disputed whether he was born in Ganjur or Singanallur." in one of the sections. Otherwise, it is a clear violation of WP:CHERRY. Thanks. X.One SOS 10:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but never said Rajkumar's (trust) website must always be taken into account. I just quoted that as a matter of fact. As you can see, I did not post anything after seeing User:Niri.M's comments about the IP and never reverted the birth place, which clearly implies that I'm not against the change. Coming to reliable sources, even they make mistakes many a times: Rajini's year of birth is a good example. So there is no point in making this discussion grow further. —Commander  (Ping me)  11:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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replies: text: Rajkumar (actor) →  – Dr Rajkumar isn't just a name followed by a doctorate title, it is a whole brand in itself, it is more common than just "Rajkumar" when it comes to referring to the matinee idol. If you search "Rajkumar Kannada actor", you will notice that almost all pages commonly refer to him with the doctorate title. The Government of India unveiled a stamp as a tribute to him and that too had referred to him as Dr Rajkumar  
Also if you watch his last movie Shabdavedhi, he is credited as "Dr Rajkumar", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNTVkO-8aYA&t=141s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNTVkO-8aYA&t=110s, same is the case for his 2nd last movie Aakasmika https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxY6sEBo_8&t=99s,  so for all prudent reasons and complying to Wikipedia rule WP:COMMONNAME , this article should be moved to Dr Rajkumar Appu (talk) 20:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Other than the mention of Dr. in the lead, I do not see how or when the subject started being referred to with the title. He was given two doctorates - Mysore University (1976) and Hampi University (1999). Which of these entitled his name with Dr.? A mention in the article will help the cause of this move nomination.  Jay (Talk) 14:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the 1976 one because he's been credited as Dr Rajkumar in the film 1993 film Aakasmika https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxY6sEBo_8&t=99s , also in a 1978 movie "Shankar Guru" https://youtube.com/watch?v=hPEgBgNTbO8?t=1033 and in 1977 movie Bhagyavantharu https://youtube.com/watch?=LNGVtyG7gLo?t=89 , he was the first one of his kind to get a doctorate and thus it was used heavily ever after. Appu (talk) 18:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we only need a reliable source to put that in the article (No WP:YOUTUBE). What I find are only facebook posts and blogs that say this: "The title of Doctor in his name came after he was awarded a honourary doctorate by Mysore University for his contribution to films in 1976."  Jay (Talk) 13:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Consensus can change. But it is good to see whether the points made in previous discussions are still seen as valid. I think that link would be better as Talk:Rajkumar_(actor)#Requested_move, which also works in preview pages, is that the discussion you have in mind? See also Talk:Rajkumar#Requested move. Andrewa (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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thread_title:  May I know why the infobox is what it is now? 

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