Talk:Adeline Yen Mah

message: I have just finished reading Ms. Yen Mah's autobiography. She states in the book that she is born on November 30, 1937 in Tianjin, China  (see Chapter 3).  This article states that she was born in Seattle, Washington. Can someone fix the script to have her born in Tianjin ??  I can't figure out how to do this properly.   Thank you.Ossining (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: When I clicked on it, the link just redirected back to the author's page. Shouldn't... whatever. Someone else can do this. Serpentine17ice 12:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falling Leaves 

message: I noticed the section about the step mother's final years is very unfairly written. It describes her as evil, etc. Whether the discriptions written of her are ture or not, they shouldn't be in Wikipedia. A more factual account of what happened. She did this, she did that (with windows of interpretation like "according to Adeline, she was "..." or the family desribed her as "...") But the page is not written properly as a biography page. I have not read/studied enough of this woman to write a proper one, so here's too who dares to undertake that. Please edit the article!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramanujan88 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up this article 

message: The tone of this article is obviously biased; it's more of a summary of Falling Leaves (the auto-biography). I notice it's also out of chronological order. Someone who's more familiar with the series needs to edit this thoroughly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.49.105 (talk) 06:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased 

message: I have rewritten the article (the original text was poorly written), adding additional material, and additional sources.
I am no expert on this subject, but it should now be a bit less biased and read a little more smoothly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CYL (talk • contribs) 18:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write 

message: *McLellan, Dennis. "A Daughter Returns Again to Her Roots." Los Angeles Times. December 19, 1999.
*McLellan, Dennis. "A Voice No Longer Silenced After So Many Years." Los Angeles Times. March 31, 1998.
*Redfield, Susan (Project Director, Orange County Reads One Book). "One Book Can Bring a Community Together." Los Angeles Times (Opinion). February 23, 2003.
WhisperToMe (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: More sources

message: All information presented on Wikipedia must be based on independent reliable sources. A self published blog and an advertisement in the App Store do not meet these requirements. If the App has widespread coverage in suitable sources then it may be added with the appropriate citations.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:27, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You appear to forget that this is a biography of Dr Yen Mah, not an article on an app, and so as long as her app has enough sources to so that it was created by her etc., that is enough to go on, even if it is just a small addition "Yen Mah created an iPad app in 2015". An example of this is with the article on Asa Butterfield, an actor who has created an iPad racing app with his family, just like Yen Mah (well, Yen Mah created an app in which to learn Mandarin with, but my general point still stands). The only source listed for Butterfield's app is a (now dead) primary source (you can tell it was a primary source from the URL and the description as given). Unfortunately, to undermine your point further, Dr Yen Mah's app does have plentiful third party independent sources to back it up as well. Her app is featured in the Yuanfang Magazine (foreign-language source, Spanish), as this tweet proves (and yes, before you interject, Twitter is valid as a source in this instance, as a "self-published reliable source" (WP:Twitter)). Her app is featured in the iMore blog, which in case you haven't heard of it, is a Mobile Nations blog and a sister site to Android Central (as both blogs were founded under the guidance of Dieter Bohn (now a writer with The Verge, which you probably have heard of)). The writer of that post, Rene Ritchie, is an executive president of Mobile Nations, and the Editor in Chief of iMore. If by this point you are now suspicious at the amount of coverage it has got for what is essentially a language app launched by an internationally bestselling author, it probably helps to explain that it was featured at the highly famous MacWorld/iWorld trade-show and conference (in fact, it was later nominated in the MacWorld's iFan Favorite App contest, the results of which unfortunately I am unable to locate). In accordance with this, ITWeb, South Africa's leading technology news website and publisher, has also written about and reviewed the app. The article handily also mentions that the app was "one of the finalists in the Appalooza best app competition, a competition based on votes by the public", which if I had the time, I would find you a source for, indeed as Niklaus Wirth once said (about design), "A good designer must rely on experience, on precise, logical thinking; and on pedantic exactness", and therefore I fully understand your desire to guarantee that I'm not Dr Mah's advertiser for this app, despite the app having been released 3 years ago, the fact that I've edited Wikipedia for just under 7 years, and the fact that this source, among others lists a Ms Jen Gross as PinYinPal's press contact, but on we must press. Though Americans may hate AOL for its "walled garden", indeed there is enough criticism for an entire Wikipedia article (with reliable sources, just as you like it), in fact, I believe AOL was forced to pay $15 million USD just 6 years ago, and therefore I forgive you entirely if you decide to call AOL an unreliable source; AOL have released an review of the app. AppAdvice has also posted an online review, and an audio-visual review, but fear not as whilst AppAdvice might not be the behemoth of a reliable source that iMore or ITWeb (the two sources I linked to you earlier, and the credentials of which I consider to be pretty inrefutable), the audio-visual source is fronted by Dom Esposito, a writer for 9to5Mac with well over 316,000 subscribers on YouTube. The Huffington Post was acquired by AOL, but if it pleases you, the Huffington Post also have an audio-visual review of PinYinPal. The Guardian, an influential UK newspaper, has included the app in their best 30 apps of the week list in January 2013, and described it as "a clever idea", though of course that is not the full description. As all the sources I have given are large companies, nay for some, they are multinational conglomerates, I thought I would end my explanation with a more China-based blog, which whilst less "big" than the Guardian (founded 195 years ago) or ITWeb (founded 20 years ago), still has over 1641 likes on Facebook and 4,876 followers on Twitter despite only joining those social media channels in 2007. Enter SinoSplice, a blog headed by John Pasden MA (applied linguistics). I hope that this has eased your fears, if not, do respond and I will do my best to qualm them. Since I consider this evidence pretty irrefutable, I have reverted your edit to add the references. jcc (tea and biscuits) 18:19, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If  happy with a reference that reads "The ONLY Free Mandarin Chinese word game available played with letters of the alphabet on the App Store" then clearly we have very different ideas of what an encyclopedia is.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm afraid that I have no idea which reference you are referring to, but I assume that by not reverting my edit, you have accepted the other sources (as I've checked, and your computer must  really messed up if you think all it says on the Web pages are "The only free Mandarin Chinese word game available played with letters of the alphabet on the App store"). I'm afraid that you really have got the wrong end of the stick on this, but please do remove the offending reference yourself.  jcc (tea and biscuits) 07:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with my computer and I  suggest  drop the patronizing attitude. Look at Note 7 in the references section, the title shown as quoted above is by no means encyclopedic.  Philg88 ♦talk 08:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, and in return leave the condescending attitude aside, it would have been a lot simpler if you had just gone: "Hi jcc, thanks for the sources. I removed the reference 7 as in the references section, the title shown as quoted is not really encyclopedic". Anyhow, I've now removed it. Happy new year. jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert of IPad game addition