Talk:Nerd

message: Someone told me that there, for example, no way to translate the word into Russian or possibly some other languages, or there isn't any kind of concept like that. Made me wonder if it's mainly american Canadian, etc. I'm wondering if some other countries don't have a social stigma/it's  not socially undesirable for someone to pursue "nerdy" pursuits, video games, RPG's, comic books, Japan comes to mind though they have something called an Otaku, but wonder if they are more accepting. The snare (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Nerd in other cultures

message: I disagree with this. Bill Gates is a billionaire, not exactly a man who devotes himself to science. Also, a source is needed to verify if he is a "nerd". It seems too much like a personal opinion, so I think it should be removed. Λίνουξ (talk) 10:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not he devotes himself to science is besides the point here (many engineers, for example, don't either), but I agree that it sounds like an opinion rather than fact, especially since it's not specified in the source. I went ahead and removed it. Supernerd11  Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 13:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most notably 

message: Well, here's an interesting thing... I was just doing some hunting for sources on Coan ki when I came across this use of the word - dating from 1694! (scroll down to the text next to the last image, or just  and search for "nerd"...) It seems legitimate (the original text is available online here, if you have access to Adam Matthew), so I'm wondering whether it's worth including in the etmology section. From the context of the passage, it would seem that the word is used to mean "laborer", though that's a guess on my part; I haven't been able to find any etymological source that would indicate what "nerd" meant back in the seventeenth century (or even in 1889, when this source was published). Yunshui 雲水 13:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as an adjunct to the above - Nerdiludium (which was rendered by Culin as "Nerd Game") would appear to be alternative Latin name for either backgammon or ludus duodecim scriptorum (see Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire). Gibbon claims it's of Persian origin, which suggests in this case "Nerd" is a variant of Nard. Looks to me as though my thinking above is incorrect - "Nerd" in this usage refers to the game of Nard, not to labourers or any other specific group of people. Yunshui 雲水 10:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest use - prior to Seuss? 

message: 2601:9:B80:B0B:803B:F585:861F:91EA's addition that nerd dates to at least 1943 appears to be correct, Though the word used is nerdy, and from context it wasn't used in the way we mean today. It describes a list of trades, plumber, printer, farmer, plumber as nerdy guys. This would seem to match User:Yunshui's observation above that the word meant labourer.
*http://www.lyricsmania.com/ladies_of_the_chorus_lyrics_irving_berlin.html ladies of the chorus lyrics
*http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036430/soundtrack soundtrack of This is the Army
*http://free-classic-movies.com/movies-04b/04b-1943-08-14-This-is-the-Army/index.php This is the Army
Again from context but the word would seem to be in use prior to 1943.--KTo288 (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is the Army 

message: There's an interesting comment on this on my Talk page from someone who used "gnurd" at MIT in the 1960s; I had deleted his unsourced addition. I won't copy what is technically a message for me without the author's permission (I encourage him to copy his information and my response here), but it's worth a look. Useful for the article if a source can be found (and if it gets added without source I personally will leave it in). Pol098 (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date, form "gnurd" 

message: I just wonder, if the word Nerd is related to the name of the Norse / Germanic Njörðr. Who is longing for sea, but check it out yourself. --197.228.20.186 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Njord or Nerthus 

message: I put "Egghead" as a linked article in the "See also" section and it was removed due to lack of sources. I'm pretty sure sources aren't required for "see also" links.--206.255.42.17 (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A source is required for anything that is challenged. Otherwise anyone could add any link to a "See also" section no matter how absurd. Everyone doesn't agree with what you see as a relationship between the terms. So source it or leave it out. Sundayclose (talk) 00:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egghead term 

message: 1:
I know this has been used in a few videos on yt, just have little chance of finding an example.
In fact, the name their fans have adapted reflects the popularity of this nerdy subculture, "Nerdfighters" or "Nerdfighteria."
Matthias291999 (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Source needed

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It says in the article that Steve Urkel from Family Matters was in the Revenge of The Nerds movie. Is that true?2607:FCC8:66CA:1400:7810:BBB7:83B9:31EC (talk) 23:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what the article says. "However, after the Revenge of the Nerds movie franchise (with multicultural nerds), and the introduction of the Steve Urkel character on the television series Family Matters..." The statement is noting Urkel's appearance in Family Matters. DonIago (talk) 14:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Urkel 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: Too much vandalism lately; I've requested semi-protection. Mathglot (talk) 13:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism protection 

message: Essays published in longer works are supposed to have quotation marks, not italics.   Please change Race, Sex, and Nerds: From Black Geeks to Asian American Hipsters to "Race, Sex, and Nerds: From Black Geeks to Asian American Hipsters". 108.39.223.134 (talk) 10:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done P,TO 19104  (talk) (contribs)  15:20, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean?  Except for a bot edit a month ago, the page hasn't been edited since September, and it's still in italics as of the current revision of the article.  I'm referring to the appearance in the "Stereotype" section, not the citation to it that follows.  108.39.223.134 (talk) 15:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2020 

message: May I strongly suggest you include in this article a Nerd Venn Diagram to clarify the significant features of Nerds, Geeks, Dweebs and Dorks. See https://laughingsquid.com/nerd-venn-diagram-geek-dork-or-dweeb/ for an example.
As a nerd I feel it brings clarity to what I bring to an issue that a geek, dork, or dweeb may not.
The key features of a nerd personality are the Technical Intelligence, Obsession and Social Ineptitude as is made plane in the published nerd venn diagram.
I feel the later is the result of our not being able to 'see' the body language of other people.
Controversial: I do not expect you to include this material until AFTER I publish Das Nerdal.
In writing my book Das Nerdal, that posits the limiting factor on economic production is now the supply of nerds (as yet Unpublished) I've extended this into 3 dimensions and placed it on a sphere and added antipodal to each of the three main properties in the 2D nerd venn diagram their opposite personality feature. They are: Technical Intelligence antipodal to Instinctive Intelligence, Charisma antipodal to Social Ineptitude, and Aimlessness antipodal to Obsession.
Also absent from this article is any discussion of why nerds come into existence, and why they are not being hammered out of existence in western culture (why we are NOT being excluded from good jobs, and the gene pool as we were in China until 2000  Private Conversation with Neil Gamon Re: First Science Fiction Convention in China). This however is likely beyond the scope of a Wikipedia article.
Needless to say this item will be cited in the book, and any references in it read, if not used.
My big worry is there is some other factor in there other than those six.
Thank you for your time in reading this. Ironwood.Edward (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence that the diagram has any notability or that it has any valid relationship to the concept of "nerd". Your private conversations are not a reliable source. Sundayclose (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2021 

message: The main entry for "Geek" makes claims of semantic drift/reclamation similar to those made here, but here it is explicitly stated that this transformation has not taken place for "geek". The reference is from 2005. Maybe it would be better not to take a position on this, given that it's clearly controversial and only peripherally relevant to the "Nerd" entry. Thoughts? Osticleman (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semantic drift statement contradicts claims in "Geek" entry 

message: In the "Bullying" section, it says:
> Individuals who are labeled as "nerds" are often the target of bullying due to a range of reasons that may include physical appearance or social background.[21] 
"Social status" would be the most appropriate word here. "Background" would be more appropriate for something like "ethnic background." 
98.113.134.196 (talk) 07:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social *status* would be the better word 

message: Contradicts the "geek"-entry. Don't have a real source for it but people naming their websites boardgamegeek or something similar speaks of a positive meaning. 2A02:908:C31:9400:4132:355C:A420:5FEE (talk) 08:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term geek did not have a positive drift? 

message: Hi, there's a nice source to add to the reference to the use of "gnurd" at MIT in the 70's: the MIT Museum has a picture of a Gnurd Crossing sign: https://webmuseum.mit.edu/media.php?module=subjects&type=popular&kv=147&media=76 Keystone77 (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sundayclose (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2022