Talk:F. W. Murnau

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message: Why is that stupid gossip still in the page?
The book where you can find that "information" is full of stupid rumors and legends.
Murnau is one of the most important film director of all times, who don't deserves this treatment.
The sexuality of this person is not important, we can write a lot about murnau's filmography but someone thinks that his sexual life is more important.
This page offends not only murnau, but wikipedia.
There isn't a logical and plausible way to demonstrate that Murnau was doing a fellatio on the car driver, this rumor probably born from the ancient (stupid and racist) mentality that all gay people are pedophilians.
So i remove it.
Bobbore
The New York Times article (mar 12, 1931) clearly states that only Murnau was killed in this accident. His valet, Garcia Stevenson, identified in the article as E. Garcia, did NOT die. 
Sdave  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.147.236.194 (talk) 12:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: remove that gossip

message: The third paragraph of the 'German Films' section sounds like it was copied from the back of the DVD box. I think that it is too positive, words like carefully composed and innovative and memorable performance are not objective, but too biased. Anyone agree it needs fixing? Benbenthehen (talk) 13:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not very balanced

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message: Wow! Where to begin? For one, the link provided DOES NOT say he was gay. It says there were suspicions by someone that he might be. Everyone suspected me of being gay too, until I finally got married and had a half a dozen kids! 
Secondly...who cares? Why is it there is no "straight film directors" tag? That is discrimination.
Why is it wikipedia is also going and saying all famous dead Germans are gay now? This is clearly racism! It's as bad as using the racist term "vandalism" on their page! 73.220.34.167 (talk) 19:15, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the "openly gay" bit. Why is his sexual preference relevant to studying philology? It is not. Additionally, even IF he were gay (what is with this gay agenda creeping into every article?), the link states "For his part, he never made it a public theme." So that is actually the OPPOSITE of being "openly gay". By the way, why do we not point out actors that are openly straight?73.220.34.167 (talk) 20:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Who cares ? You, apparently. Murnau was homosexual. His page mention it. That's all. What is with this new homophobic nationalist german agenda ? Everyone suspected Thomas Man of being straight with his 6 children too, but actually he wasn't, by his own admission. If you call "gay agenda" the truth, do what you want, but the homophobic agenda is at least not better. Frimoussou (talk) 14:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Deleting sourced material is certainly not constructive editing, in this case you deleted the material but left the three very reliable academic references effectively orphaned and confused the reading and meaning of the text. If you have reliable sources that verify that Murnau was not homosexual then by all means add that material or use this talk page to discuss the proposition. Otherwise please refrain from removing material because it doesn't further your agenda here in Wiki. Pjefts (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Murnau's homosexuality is a documented fact. He was the lover of several men, like Walter Spies, the homosexual man who left him in 1923 to go to the Dutch West Indies. Get over it. ^^ 194.153.110.6 (talk) 10:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexual 

message: 1. Was the man's stolen skull ever located and returned to his tomb?
2. What became of the death mask that Garbo owned?
Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 04:42, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  On top of things. 

message: insists on claiming 6 ft 11 because a book written in the 70s says it so it must be true. It's an obvious inaccuracy, a myth, does he look near 7 ft tall here  ? If he was those kids would be the size of grown adults. A 1928 edition of Theatre Magazine described him as "six feet, four inches in height", that looks nearer the truth. We should try to make this site as accurate as possible. If you reworded it to "xxx claimed that Murnau was 6 ft 11 that would at least be a compromise, has no place in the infobox and treated as fact when it's common sense it's not true.81.104.175.138 (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Janet Gaynor (whom Murnau directed in Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans) described him as being about 6'4" when she was interviewed in the 70s for the TV series "Hollywood" (at 28.59 ; Gaynor would surely would have remembered if he was nearly 7 feet tall). I think both these sources clear that up. Crisso (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grossly exaggerated height 

message: As this disturbance was not an isolated incident, the cemetery managers are considering sealing the grave.
So the "cemetery managers" are still "considering" after five years? 2A02:AA1:1617:D3BC:C5ED:BA69:A791:44EF (talk) 23:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open grave 

message: I've searched far and wide looking for a primary source on Murnau's supposed homosexuality, but I've come up with nothing. I've went though the sources in this page, and they all lead to a trail that eventually ended at Hollywood Babylon as a the first source mentioning this, a book that has had numerous claims debunked over the decades. Unless anyone can provide a more reliable primary source that proves he was a homosexual, then it's safe to assume there is no evidence Murnau was gay and this article should be updated to reflect this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torch5011 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, describing it as "most likely false" was perhaps a bit too uncompromising of a stance. I was so committed to fighting "citogenesis" that I didn't stop and consider any alternative perspectives. Anyhow, thanks for correcting me and providing sources. Take care! Torch5011 (talk) 23:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of primary source on Murnau's alleged homosexuality 

message: How come the Garcia Stevenson date of birth given here shows a man in his thirties in 1931, while he's mostly described (for instance in German WP) as a 14 year old, or as a "young man" (in Lotte Eisner's book)? 2A02:AA1:101C:C6F8:9DE2:AECB:2AA6:80C8 (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "The driver was Eliazar Garcia Stevenson, Murnau’s approximately thirty-one-year-old valet, with John R. Freeland, a twenty-six-year-old chauffeur employed by the car rental company, in the passenger seat." Welter, Volker M. “SCHLOSS MURNAU, HOLLYWOODLAND, CA 90068.” Cabinet 63 (2017): 41-9. Double - U (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garcia Stevenson