Talk:Milan Jurčina

message: === Policies ===
*WP:EN: The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources…
:If an examination of the sources in an article shows that one name or version of the name stands out as clearly the most commonly used in the English-language, we should follow the sources and use it. …
:Names not originally in a Latin alphabet, as with Greek, Chinese or Russian, must be transliterated into characters generally intelligible to literate speakers of English. …
:The native spelling of a name should generally be included in parentheses, in the first line of the article, with a transliteration if the Anglicization isn't identical. …
*WP:UCN: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. …
:…The term most typically used in reliable sources is preferred to technically correct but rarer forms, whether the official name, the scientific name, the birth name, the original name or the trademarked name. …
*WP:DIACRITICS: The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged; when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works). The policy on using common names and on foreign names does not prohibit the use of modified letters, if they are used in the common name as verified by reliable sources.
*WP:COMMONSENSE: Why isn't "use common sense" an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy.
*WP:BURO: … Written rules do not themselves set accepted practice. Rather, they document already existing community consensus regarding what should be accepted and what should be rejected. When instruction creep is found to have occurred, it should be removed.
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:Raising the same issue repeatedly on different pages, to different admins, or with different wording is confusing and disruptive. It doesn't help to seek out a forum where you get the answer you want, or to play with the wording to try and trick different editors into agreeing with you, since sooner or later someone will notice all of the different threads. …
*WP:UE: The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage…
: there are too few English-language sources to constitute and established usage…
:Editing for the sole purpose of changing one controversial title to another is strongly discouraged. If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. If it has never been stable, or unstable for a long time, and no consensus can be reached on what the title should be, default to the title used by the first major contributor after the article ceased to be a stub.
=== Past Discussions ===
:There are currently 2,285 pages in Article Talk, 833 in Wikipedia, and 615 in WP:Talk namespaces  containing the word "diacritic".  A brief sample of some of these ad nauseam discussions on diacritics, selected from the first 50 found in WP:Talk, include:
Page                                                                                               	Dates                                                	Synopsis
Wikipedia talk:Usage of diacritics                                                                 	                                                     	"This is a failed proposal. Consensus in its favor was not established within a reasonable period of time. If you want to revive…"
Wikipedia talk:Use diacritics                                                                      	Early Jun'08                                         	"See also the current guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and the prosed guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) which was  on 21 April 2007"
Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)                               	2 archives    & 2007                            	Summary: "See also the current guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and the proposed guideline Wikipedia talk:Use diacritics which was  on 18 June 2008"
Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC                                     	Jul − Aug'11                              	"Please Note... this RFC has been closed with a "no consensus" decision. This means that any further discussions on changing the language of the guideline should now take place at the guideline talk page itself, and not here. Thanks. Blueboar (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not now, nor does there ever appear to have been, consensus on changing the existing policies on the use of diacritics; there is, however, a policy on the use of diacritics; it basically boils down to this:
WP Policy regarding diacritics is to follow the majority of the (English) RS!
===Previous Page move===
I'm curious. Were RMs used to move this or any other hockey player articles to the diacritics titles? GoodDay (talk) 04:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

text: No, no RM for this page. It was moved in June 2006. The edit summary says, "moved Milan Jurcina to Milan Jurčina: diacritics." A lot of pages were moved to diacritic titles at about that time. Perhaps this is when editors became aware of the capability. UTF-8 (full Unicode) was part of MediaWiki 1.5, released in 2005. Kauffner (talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's no wonder these dios discussions get heated at times. Those unilateral pro-dios page moves, should never have happened. GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They should just be reverted to pre-diacritic versions per WP:BRD . 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

text: It can contain diacritics but it is not the formal name (as you wrote in one revert) it is simply the full name. Like Ricky Nelson is actually Eric Hilliard Nelson in English. Tennis player bios do this all the time if their birthname is in a non-english alphabet. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Summary of all relevant WP:Policies 

message: I'm curious. Were RMs used to move this or any other hockey player articles to the diacritics titles? GoodDay (talk) 04:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no RM for this page. It was moved in June 2006. The edit summary says, "moved Milan Jurcina to Milan Jurčina: diacritics." A lot of pages were moved to diacritic titles at about that time. Perhaps this is when editors became aware of the capability. UTF-8 (full Unicode) was part of MediaWiki 1.5, released in 2005. Kauffner (talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's no wonder these dios discussions get heated at times. Those unilateral pro-dios page moves, should never have happened. GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They should just be reverted to pre-diacritic versions per WP:BRD . 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous Page move

message: WP:MOSBIO#First_mention gives some examples of how bios should open, and none of them put an alternative name in parenthesis as the current opening does. IMO, the current format is quite awkward and for no good reason. The opening sentence tells us three times that the subject is Slovak. The name in the opening is not necessarily the same as the common name or the one used in the title, so it can contain diacritics even if the title does not. Kauffner (talk) 13:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It can contain diacritics but it is not the formal name (as you wrote in one revert) it is simply the full name. Like Ricky Nelson is actually Eric Hilliard Nelson in English. Tennis player bios do this all the time if their birthname is in a non-english alphabet. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: First mention

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