Talk:Kurt Angle/Archive 2

message: Please accept my apologies for all of the annoyances I have caused the people on this talk page and the people who edit the article.  I was watching ECW last night and saw the WWE put over Kurt Angle when talking about his release.  If they had really fired him I don't think that they would have done that.  I admit that I was wrong and I apologize for pushing my point of view so hard.  Please accept my apology.  Hybrid 23:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if he quit for the right reasons, it saved them money, and he was planning on coming back someday.  Hybrid 06:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No, that's the rumor you heard. There is no proof that he was fired. Also, please sign your comments. TJ Spyke 02:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Spyke, I suppose I owe you a bigger apology than I owe anyone else.  I'm sorry.  Hybrid
angle was fired —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.130.70.133 (talk • contribs).
was the person who was so adamant about angle's release/firing an agent of wwe or just an angle-basher with nothing more than a few rumor sites?  i have a hard time believing the former.  ---pud---11:04---10/17/06---
If you were referring to me, I was the latter. After the embarrassment I suffered on this talk page, I have begun to fix my "smark" attitude. THL 22:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apology

message: Is it a real injury?Freebird Jackson 03:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grion Injury

message: WWE.com simply says that Angle was granted an early release from his contract due to personal issues. It doesn't really say, but I'd guess that Angle asked to be released since the WWE was using him as a way of putting over ECW. Angle had always willingly participated in every gimmick and storyline that the WWE writers came up with for him. Sometimes he wasn't thrilled, but always did them. It's a sign of professionalism that would probably have granted him a very good relationship with WWE management and a good reputation in the locker room. From what I've read, the plan was to have Angle participate against the Big Show and Sabu in a triple threat mat for the ECW Heavyweight Championship at Summerslam, but was pulled because of his groin injury. Odin's Beard 23:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Wrestling Observer will report rumors they hear. Anyways, Angle has had injuries for quite some time now but hasn't taken time off to let them heal, but by asking for his release he doesn't have to feel obligated to wrestle and can let his injuries heal. TJ Spyke 00:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, the Wrestling Observer reports that Angle was fired. -- CRiyl 01:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I trust WWE more over this. TJ Spyke 01:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't. I'm not saying the Wrestling Observer is correct at all. Cause the WWE could be correct also. But don't you think the WWE would have reported like they did so they didn't look bad? -- David Reject 02:51, 26 August 2006
Kurt wouldn't of asked to be released because he didn't like his role at the current time, ECW is the place for his newer angrier character. Hopefully it is nothing to do with his family and as soon as things are sorted out he will make an immediate return. K-man-1 07:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's on wwe.com. I think it's still on the front page. TJ Spyke 02:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Forgot to sign in, had to restart my computer  Hybrid 03:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If he had a contract that covered the $1 Million a year he couldn't of been fired. Big "if" there because that is a pretty big blanket someone could take advantage of. But, given Angels initial reluctance and even public dismissal of pro wrestling at first it is possible they made that big enough of a provision in the contract. The reason he couldn't of been fired is 'cause that would of been a breach of his contract on the WWEs part. Icanstillcu 22:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It is fairly well known that he did have a contract that was worth around $1 million a year.  Also, according to wrestling observer, the WWE, Kurt, and his lawyers met on the morning of his release.  So the WWE could have negotiated with Kurt and his lawyers so they could release him without being sued for breaching the contract.  Hybrid 22:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I certainly understand the reluctance to believe the WWE, but it's all that we have to go by. Angle says it was a mutual decision, the WWE says it was a mutual decision, so that's probably what we're going to have to accept unless someone changes their mind. Odin's Beard 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In the first section on the talk page, it lists several credible sources, in my opinion, that say Angle was actually fired as opposed to being granted a release.  I know that there are many people on this page who trust the WWE more than those sources, and then there are the people like me who trust those sources over the WWE.  In the end, how an individual decides what they believe about the release will all come down to which sources they trust more.  I just wish that Angle would put a statement up on his website about the release.  Hybrid 08:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt released 

message: As a huge Kurt Angle fan, I completely welcome the news that he will be able to give loads more world class performances while also taking it easy with a much deserved 20 day rest period a month. I consider Kurt to be the greatest wrestler ever and am glad he has decided against becoming a shoot fighter. In the long run this will be the best option for not only TNA but for Kurt Angle the wrestler and the family man. Kelan 08:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too true! --Mikecraig 02:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A New Beginning 

message: I seem to remember Angle saying something in a WWE event near his release about it not mattering if he was in a 4 or 6-sided ring, that he could still be victor (I think he said it to Orton). If someone could get the quote, that would probably go well in the TNA section. Tim Long 01:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are thinking of when Angle issued the open challenge that Orton accepted. He said that, "I'll fight anyone, be it in a 4-sided, 6-sided, or 8-sided ring." "Be it" is not what he actually said. It may have been, "be they from", but that just doesn't sound right. I do know that he was talking about the wrestler to acccept the challenge, not the ring they would fight in. The Hybrid 01:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That wasn't really a hint at him going to TNA, really. It was more of him saying "I don't care whether you're from a traditional wrestling promotion ((4-sided ring)), TNA ((6-sided ring)), or MMA ((8-sided ring))," as well as being a bit of a jab toward TNA given to him ((most likely)) by WWE. -Darryl Hamlin 23:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, at that time he probably had no idea that he was going to TNA someday. The Hybrid 21:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Six-sided ring

message: Looking at WP:PW#Championships_and_accomplishments - there is no reference to this format being phased out !?!? - if there is then please reference for all to know? --Mikecraig 23:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Championships and accomplishments

message: Is he really pissed at WWE and Vince after having a fallout with them, or is this all BS (kayfabe)? Tim Long 01:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not relevant at all. TJ Spyke 06:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I was calm, and still am; I do understand how what I said could be taken that way, but I meant it to sound monotonous, not angry. It really doesn't matter whether or not he's angry because in the end, he will still be working for TNA. Also, there really isn't a way to find that out for sure unless Angle were to participate in a shoot interview (unlikely) and discuss the subject. At this point everything he says to the public must be taken as kayfabe, unless it is confirmed that it is indeed real by very reliable secondary sources, or someone within the company itself preferably. In the end, this would only become relevant if he were to go back and work for the WWE in the future, and not before that. Cheers, -- THL 06:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Really Pissed?

message: What the fuck! Where the hell does it say that Angle's Ankle lock is known as "Angle Lock," the old WWE profile of him says, Ankle lock not "Angle Lock," and his TNA profile says nothing about his Ankle lock being called "Angle Lock" either, please until TNA confirms this, please leave it alone!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.78.239 (talk • contribs) 
:I have heard Mike Tenay say "Angle Lock" more than once, although i'm not sure how official that is. TJ Spyke 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ankle Lock or Angle Lock

message: Should it be noted on the article that Kurt Angle's Medal theme music orginally came from The Patriot's music, and that on "In Your House 19: D-Generation X" Sgt. Slaughter used the same music Angle was using in the WWE, which means the Angle's Medal theme existed 2 years before his debut. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.161.78.239 (talk • contribs).
:That would be relevant to an article about the song itself, not Angle's article. Also, please sign you comments by typing this ~~~~. Cheers, -- THL 21:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Angle's theme music history

message: I was looking in a newspaper back from early september this year when i discovered an article about Kurt and his transfer to TNA. It was saying that rather than him getting an early release, he was kicked off WWE for drug taking (steroids in particular) he admitted to this so why is it not in the main article???—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.114.46 (talk • contribs) 
:Because it's not true, and i've never seen ANY reports like that. TJ Spyke 18:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to think that he had been fired as well, but by simply watching the T.V. shows it became obvious that he left of his own free will. He did admit to being hooked on pain killers in the past, but by the time he left he wasn't hooked on them anymore. He left because of his many, many injuries. TNA has a lighter schedule; one that fit his health and family needs better. That is why he left. -- THLCCD 22:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Draft" to TNA?? 

message: I read somewhere he was sent a legal letter by WWE saying he can no longer use the nickname "Machine" or "Wrestling Machine" because they are WWE trademarks. He also can no longer use the name "Angle Slam" as his finisher as you may have noticed he has reverted back to the "Olympic Slam" name since he started with TNA. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.184.169.37 (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you search the USPTO website, it is indeed true that WWE trademarked "The Wrestling Machine". However, they did NOT trademark "Angle Slam", so who knows why TNA just calls it the Olympic Slam. TJ Spyke 06:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. So, now that the facts are straight, should this stuff be added to the article? It seems fairly notable, but I'm not sure seeing as it is just a nickname. -- THLR 06:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe they think "Olympic Slam" sounds more impressive than just "Angle Slam". TJ Spyke 21:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very possible. I guess without a source all we can do is theorize. -- THL 21:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Legal Letter 

message: Why does the thing about WWE's (sort of) response to Angle joining TNA keep getting deleted? The WWE is never going to mention TNA on the air (or off it for that) so that thing about the #4 story of 2006 needs to stay up. Plus, alot of people have been wondering about that, so it is helpful. User: Saget53 20:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a passing mention that will be forgotten soon. Do you thing that in even just 6 months that WWE magazine made a 2 sentence  about Angle's time off lasting just 3 weeks (which doesn't even mention TNA)? TJ Spyke 03:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WWE Reaction

message: Kurt Angle has had several interviews and guest appearences on TV shows since he left WWE where he has been insulting WWE and Vince McMahon. I think there should be a section in the article about this but thought i should put the idea here 1st Don.-.J 15:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not TV, radio appearences. I don't think it's notable, especially since many other wrestlers do the same thing. TJ Spyke 23:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He did have an interview with IGN where, if I remember correctly, he did go off a bit on Vince and WWE. IMO, he's being entirely ungrateful. He will always be best known for his accomplisments in WWE, and he should be grateful to Vince for the professional wrestling accolades that he has. But, yeah, there was at least one online interview. Anakinjmt 21:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was fairly recent though. TJ Spyke 22:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interviews and Guest Appearences 

message: I realize the information I've added about today's Sports Illustrated report is controversial and only amounts to allegations. I think I've characterized the report as such. ObtuseAngle 17:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good. You provided a reliable source and you made it clear that it is just alegations at the moment. TJ Spyke 23:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 Mar 2007 steroid allegations 

message: I have this link to my source that says Angel will be working AJPW (http://www.gerweck.net/news/1173886298.shtml) but I don't understand how to use the citing method. Sorry, I'm new to editing this. Shockthemonkey 04:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Japan Pro Wrestling 

message: Please could somebody update this entry to reflect Awards Angle has won from Fighting Spirit magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Spirit_magazine): 
* Story of The Year
* Match of The Year: Kurt Angle VS The Undertaker (No Way Out 2006)
* David Bowie Award
* Brian Pillman Award
* Kriss Kross Award —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Escrima (talk • contribs) 14:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain why that magazine is notable enough to include its awards? TJ Spyke 23:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EDIT REQUEST: 2006 Fighting Spirit Awards