Talk:Agathocles of Syracuse

message: Bieng from Syracuse, Italy, wouldn't that make him an Ancient Roman??--ZayZayEM 05:08, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No, in the 300s BC, Rome was a piddly little town of central Italy barely ruling the surrounding countryside, while Syracuse was one of the great cities of the Greek-speaking world. See Magna Graecia for more detail. Stan 06:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, to be a little more precise, during Agathocles' lifetime Rome was the pre-eminent power of the Italian peninsula; she had conquered the Italians central Italy and would complete her conquest of the Greeks of southern Italy when she defeated Pyrrhus of Epirus in 282 BC, a few years after Agathocles' death.  Syracuse was indeed one of the great Greek cities of the period and was usually the dominant political force in Sicily, which was populated by Greeks and a native people called Sicels.  Politically the island was still very much independent of Roman influence (though the spectre of Carthaginian dominance was a serious issue), though as we know from Timaeus, Sicilian Greeks were aware of Rome as a rising political force just a few miles across the water.  Binabik80 01:32, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then, a piddly little town intimidating many even piddlier little towns. :-) Admittedly there was a big difference between 399 and 301 BC, but I think the  dearth of archaeological material throughout the Italian countryside is a reality check that suggests many of Livy's descriptions of mighty conquests were puffed up from torchings of wooden palisades. Stan 02:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
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