Talk:Thatcherism

message: No mention of the British economy now Thatcherism has finally pushed it over the cliff? Why in this article does it just stop before it all goes to s**t?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.237.145 (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thatcher's Legacy 

message: The leading paragraph to this article finished with a claim that Thatchers policies ushered in a new era of economic growth. Such a claim is contentious, I've removed it. The beginning and end of Thatchers term in office were marked by recession . Now, whether or not this was down to Thatcher is also contentious. Conjecture on such a controversial figure can only invite trouble. JamJar (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic Growth 

message: "This personal approach also became identified with a certain toughness at times such as the Falklands War, the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference and the Miner's Strike."
-- Made links. I'm not able to find a Wikipedia article corresponding to "the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference". Can anybody find the appropriate article? Thanks. -- 201.78.233.162 19:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Thatcherism as a form of Government

message: As it stood  the previous  "dispute over the meaning of the term" section prior to my edit does not conform to wikipedia NPOV. Not only is Thatcher's (and T.E. Utley's) conception of the "English political tradition" directly quoted as an apparent  truth without qualification, but a very marginal and eccentric interpretation  of any tory scepticism towards Thatcherism ( that it was 'ethnically motivated') is referenced as a supposedly mainstream view. On top of that Utley has much lesser status as an academic authority on this period than  Cowling . If that keeps getting re-added, it wouldn't be unreasonable to request a temporary lock until this is resolved.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ltr676.b (talk • contribs).
:Thatcher is not quoted, as you claim, it is Utley being quoted. The article states that "Utley contended..." i.e. it is Utley's view, not being stated as fact by Wikipedia but correctly making it clear it is Utley's opinion. It is obvious from your comments and from your actions that you have neither read the source nor understand what Utley is saying, and want to remove his arguments because you disagree with him. Utley got a double-first from Cambridge and has written extensively on conservatism, he has as much authority to be cited as Cowling.--Johnbull 16:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article being used to promote marginal views

message: Maybe someone could create Category:British Thatcherites
Why? Whats the difference between Thatcherites and Reaganists (very little) meaning that Reaganism is the US equivelant to Thatcherism a bit like the US 'color' and UK 'colour'SJHQC (talk) 22:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thatcherites Category 

message: This is a very peculiar phrase - there were only 2 late twentieth century British Conservative Prime Ministers (Heath left office in 1974, so was really a mid-twentieth century British Conservative Prime Minister) so it would be hard not to be unusual in a group of 2! Rachel Pearce 09:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Thatcher was unusual among late twentieth century British Conservative Prime Ministers" 

message: This statement is unsupported: 'Thatcher came to power after the crisis of Keynesianism in the mid-1970s, which was largely blamed on the post-1945 welfare state and over-mighty trade unions. Thatcherism thus claimed that a smaller state, free markets and weaker trade unions could be considered the cure for Britain's economic decline.'
it is also not NPOV in that it (rightly or wrongly) promotes the POV that there actually were 'over-mighty' trade-unions (I agree with that btw... it's just not neutral to state that without reference to a source). As it is described in the present tense it also seems to suggest that Britain has undergone economic decline since the 1970's... even during Thatcher's years!
I am therefore removing that part of the lead until it is properly sourced and NPOV.
86.138.113.101 (talk) 00:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: No source for this

message: The current section on criticism needs massive expansion. It mentions only one substantive view - that of the gap between rich and poor increasing. There are also no criticisms from the right (cf. Peter Hitchens . I propose the section be split in two: 'criticisms from the left' and 'critcisms from the right'. That is, assuming the people who edit this page do not have some ideological agenda.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordi22 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section needs expansion

message: This page sounds like a fricken propaganda piece.
Britain suffered two recessions under Thatcher, 1980-82 and 1990-92. (Thatcher had about as much knowledge about economics as Sarah Palin. Thatcher was considered highly ambitious by the Tory elite, but not particularly bright) Not mentioning the recessions on a page on Thatcherism is like not mentioning Germany on a page on WWII. It is just not serious.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources, please, my friend. Reliable critics discussing the above would be great - then we could discuss the best way to include the information. Huffing and puffing won't help us improve the page for readers. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:33, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As conjective as it sounds, I'm not sure if the page could use some information from Early 1980s recession to help collaborate with the talk of unemployment. It seems like the page talks about Thatcher being the sole reason for the extreme unemployment rates (up to 3,000,000 by 1984-ish), irrespective of the ongoing worldwide recession at the time. --Seraviction (talk) 19:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF is this? 

message: The lead has the following sentence:
"and beyond into the governments of John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron.[1]"
The source is Jenkins, Simon (2006). Thatcher & Sons: A Revolution in Three Acts. 
How can a 2006 source be used for a claim on Thatcherism for Gordon Brown and David Cameron? --Pudeo' 14:33, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Thatcher Thatcherism in the lead  

message: This statement, conveniently unsourced, under the section Criticism, is patent nonsense and nothing but a myth perpetuated by the left and should be removed immediately. According to the ONS, under Thatcher industrial output increased in real terms by 7.5% (inspite of all the industrial disputes), and a further 4.9% under John Major, while it was under the Labour governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown that industry imploded, declining some 5%. 
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/blame-margaret-thatcher-todays-problems-174519607.html?cmp=fb--Allthestrongbowintheworld (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial production fell sharply during Thatcher's government 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Thought we should discuss on the talk page, there has been disagreement about whether it should be Thatcherism attempts to promote low inflation or Thatcherism claims to promote low inflation. 
To me the difference is that the first implies that it is definitely trying to promote it (no matter if it succeeds or not) whereas the second implies that they said publicly that they wanted to promote it, but secretly didn't. As there are plenty of sources that say that Thatcherism included trying to control inflation, I haven't seen any sources that say that actually the govt didn't want to have low inflation. If you have some sources which say that then it would be different but otherwise I think that attempt is the best choice. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agree --Reaganomics88 (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thatcherism attempts/claims to promote low inflation 

message: These primary sources of information might be of interest:
* Margaret Thatcher and No.10 - www.thatcherandnumberten.com
* The Cabinet Secretaries - www.cabinetsecretaries.com
They include interviews with some of the main people who worked with Margaret Thatcher, and they provide an insight into the key themes and events of her premiership.
80.43.188.204 (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources 

message: There is a section on criticism, but there is also criticism of Thatcherism throughout the article. Notably there appears to be no compliments for Thatcherism.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, this may be cause for concern. Have you any ideas on how to rectify this apparent problem, ?--Nevé–selbert 16:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The criticism should be consolidated into one section. But there should first some positive comments included under legacy. Otherwise the article is clearly one-sided.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel inclined to agree, but I would also strongly recommend you be wp:bold in copy-editing what you see fit. Good luck.--Nevé–selbert 14:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some positive commentary on individualism, by scholars, Rjensen (talk) 07:35, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: I think there should be two new sections about Margaret Thatcher's views on the EU and the contradictions of Thatcherism. John Campbell's book Margaret Thatcher Volume Two: The Iron Lady demonstrates both points of view quite clearly and can easily be sourced. As she grew older she became intensely more anti-EU which caused her to distrust Nigel Lawson and Geoffrey Howe. The manifesto for her third term showed the contradictions between her free market worldview to economics and her desire to stick her nose into people's business. Does anyone object to me adding those two new sections to the article?--LeftiePete (talk) 02:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two new sections 

message: Can we remove the contradictions section? It's based on one source and speaks authoritatively but on opinion: 
"By 1987 after Thatcher's successful third re-election, the contradictions of Thatcherism started to become apparent"
Stryker Genesis (talk) 17:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictions 

message: Thatcherism is an ideology, not a political party. However, I think it is good to explain through Infobox what kind of political position and ideological foundation that Thatcherism has within the Conservative Party. (Thatcheriste are generally considered hard-line within the Conservative Party.) #--Storm598 (talk) 06:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are very good examples in this regard. Lulism, Kirchnerism, Berlusconism, Chavismo, Nasserism, Orléanist etc.--Storm598 (talk) 06:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  but are there any examples specific to the UK? I think you should notify Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom and leave a message there. Personally I'm opposed to using  as I do not believe it's an appropriate template to summarise the article per WP:INFOBOX. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: These are hard-line forces within the Conservative Party. And by summarizing their ideological tendencies, the content can be delivered more clearly and easily to readers.--Storm598 (talk) 08:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thatcherism should not be regarded as a political faction, it's a set of policies attributed to Margaret Thatcher. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox political party 

message: — Assignment last updated by Coconut818 (talk) 21:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Politics in Global Perspective

message: It's not called the 'welfare state'. That's a made-up slur designed to denigrate socialism
Use another term. It's not a valid term.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.188.177.247 (talk) 13:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  'welfare state'