Wikipedia talk:WikiProject League of Copyeditors/Archive 1

message: Good idea, but we have a few similar leagues in place already, so you may want to join them... for instance, Wikipedia:Maintenance collaboration of the week. (Radiant) 16:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen many of these groups, however, most of these groups look at the copyediting task with a shrugging afterthought. This project's entire purpose is to remove the backlog (currently around 950) of articles that have been tagged for copyedit. The existance of the backlog is evidence enough that a group is needed who is committed to its maintainance. (preferable those that have few or no other projects on their plates.) Trusilver 21:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to contribute to other maintenance tasks, but I've concluded that copyediting is really my main strength. I'll be happy to help if this project is approved. (It should be noted, however, that I feel most comfortable editing articles about subjects with which I'm at least slightly familiar.) IrisWings 21:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Oh, I fully agree that the group is a good idea; you could advertise it on e.g. goings-on or the village pump or the talk pages of those other cleanup tasks, to get more members and participants in clearing the backlog. (Radiant) 09:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your support, Radiant, and thank you for your ideas to help this group succeed. We are already showing a good start, and I'm hoping to make the formal proposal to make this a Wikiproject within the next couple weeks. Trusilver 00:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlap 

message: I have started work on Bakersfield, California on behalf of the League. I have also done a complete copyedit of Barm, which I am also crediting to the League. (I have left notes on both talk pages). Rintrah 15:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to Rintrah, I learned of this group.  On my own inititive I began a short while ago to start hacking away on the backlog of pages needing wikifying and have recently started on a few pages requiring copyediting for a change of pace.  Whether or not the group becomes formalized, I'll be pitching in as I have time.  JAXHERE  | Prevaricate at me 16:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am glad to see I have recruited someone. Welcome. :) Rintrah 23:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouch Rintah, you are ambitious. Bakersfield and Illegal Immigration are the two articles I have been gingerly stepping around because every time I open the doors to those two, I immediately jump backwards in horror and promise myself I will revisit them in a week or so. Trusilver 01:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bakersfield, California; Barm; Illegal immigration 

message: I'd like to suggest that we could promote the league by adding the following phrase to the top of an article's talk page after completing an edit.  I was brought here through a similar notice placed by Rintrah when she and I happened to both be working on Barm
This page has been edited by a collaborator in the League of Copyeditors.  Please join in, if you're so inclined. ~~~~ 
Perhaps someone could create a template based on the notice.--JAXHERE  | Prevaricate at me 15:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going make a stab at creating a user box for the project, possibly something with a red pen and/or some copyediting markup symbols. If it goes well, perhaps the graphic part could be adapted for a template. Just a thought. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 02:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, I was hoping that someone would step up to the plate on that. I considered trying it a few times over the last few days, but I would undoubtedly screw it up. Creating graphics mystifies me, I am only barely competent to handle userboxes. Trusilver 03:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promoting the league 

message: Are we ready to go public?  I was thinking of putting a general invitation on the  Wikipedia articles needing copy edit  discussion page (along with our spiffy new logo!).  Thoughts?  –Little Miss Might Be Wrong 02:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. The League is already active, but needs new members. Rintrah 04:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go public? 

message: I'm not so sure about the articles that have been completely process and have had the final proofread being on the project page. It's okay in the short term, but the size of such a list is going to become prohibitive very fast. 
The alternatives are to create a separate page to put this list, or to not list the finished articles at all. Any thoughts? Trusilver 17:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My vote: Create a subpage when it becomes too large. Rintrah 10:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proofread articles

message: This article has been copyedited by the League of Copyeditors.   If you would like to participate, 
you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
Here's the beginnings of a messagebox to go at the top of the talk page of articles we copyedit. It's at least something to start with and modify from here. Trusilver 23:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work.  And out of the starting gate, it's even better than what I had hoped for.  --JAXHERE  | Prevaricate at me 00:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Rintrah 05:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Messagebox

message: In the course of editing something I stumbled across the to do list template which I took the liberty of putting in the section of items ready for final edit.  It's no big deal, but I think it makes the list stand out and is a bit more attractive than the simple version.
Maybe we could use the idea of keeping a sub-page for pending articles and have another sub page on which completed edits are placed.  Once this is done, perhaps it might be possible to place a box on the main project page which, by default, would show perhaps only the latest 10 projects completed.  I don't know how much programming it would take, so I'm not sure it's practical, but I thought it might be worth mentioning.  Any other thoughts? --JAXHERE  | Prevaricate at me 01:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and my agreement is also based on the idea that I don't have a clue how much programming that would require. But I do think you are on the right track about the sub pages for pending and completed edits. Trusilver 01:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do list added 

message: Since this project seems to have started fine, I would suggest that it be moved to Wikipedia: namespace, and that the "proposed" tag can be removed since it is now active. (Radiant) 12:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Radiant, I'm planning on doing just that this evening. Trusilver 15:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good luck 

message: Who said copyediting is not fun? I came across General Command of Mapping (Turkey) in my search for articles to copyedit. It is in pristine condition, unspoiled by copyeditors. Have a look at the subtle use of capitals and the exotic I's. Rintrah 14:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Joy of copyediting

message: Bear with me, I'm moving the page to the permanent site. Now if only I can get this damn redirect to work right... Trusilver 02:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've gotten it mostly moved over. Still making minor tweaks and redoing the project page. Trusilver 02:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Being humble enough to ask for help, could someone... um.... fix the to-do list? Trusilver 03:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving page

message: It should actually be parseable now. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 12:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your help with that, there are plenty of little projects like that around here that I just haven't had the time to work on lately. Trusilver 18:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refactored the talk page a little 

message: I'm a little dense about these things and I wasn't sure how to go about getting a nifty compact piece of code for our userbox so I submitted it to the  New Userboxes. I think this is the way to do it. Anyone know better? --Pigman (talk • contribs) 08:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that myself. I've been here a relatively short period of time and I'm still learning as I go along. Trusilver 15:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should do the trick:   --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 19:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official userbox? 

message: The current one looks very nice, but says we HAVE edited it.  I just removed one from coolie because that article is still a shambles, and it looks bad to say that we HAVE edited it when really it's still in poor shape but we ARE editING it.  — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 12:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep something in mind, copyediting is not always content-related. The Coolie article, while needing help in the content area, doesn't have all that much to do with it's copyediting status. If the "League of Copyeditors" became the "League of Rehabilitating Bad Articles", my blood pressure would easily be twenty points higher than it is now. Trusilver 18:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, and per your request, take a look at this.
	
This article is in the process of copyediting by the League of Copyeditors.   If you have any thoughts or concerns, please post them to the discussion page where they will be reviewed by LoC members.
Any thoughts? Trusilver 05:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it looks too much like the other tab, but it is a good idea to have one. A more emergent color, perhaps, or some sort of highlighting of 'in the process' seems warranted.SF 05:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to find a color between the two but it's a little difficult because I'm doing it visually. Does anyone know how to get the information inside of the "messagebox standard-talk"? The specific color information is in there somewhere. When I do it by sight, the color isn't so great.--Pigman (talk • contribs) 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Here are a lot of colors from which to choose. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 17:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need "in-progress" template for top of target-article talk pages 

message: This evening, the 50th article credited to the LoC was removed from the copyedit backlog. Our progress so far is awesome and far outdistances my short-term hopes when I started this project. 
The backlog is not the only accomplishment that has been made up to this point, I also want to point out the mad graphical skills of Kathryn, and the combined tag team between her and Paul that produced our userbox, the LoC logo and the barnstar - all of which would have resulted in a minor psychotic episode had I attempted to make them myself.
Thank you all for your hard work. Trusilver 07:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could increase the count by putting the LoC template on a few copyedited articles that don't have it. Rintrah 19:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress 

message: It would be ideal if we could get some sort of admin support in case people revert changes or remove copyedit tags. Thoughts or suggestions?Shawn Fitzgibbons 02:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have one admin in our group, Aguerriero, although aside from joining the group, I haven't seen any participation from him yet. Trusilver 07:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin support 

message: I am just a copyeditor (not an expert) and am not sure about being a member yet.  But is there a place (is it here?) that I can place some text and ask some copyedit questions I have and gather some ideas?  Thanks Hmains 03:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Rintrah 07:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  questions of help