Talk:Victoria Coren Mitchell

message: while at University, or am I thinking of someone else? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.194.5.18 (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, that wouldn't surprise me. I'm watching her on Balderdash & Piffle as we speak, and she seems like the saucy minx that would make a porn vid at uni. - PeeJay 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was watching Balderdash and Piffle at the same time and thinking exactly the same thing. She apparently "made" a porn-film, rather than starring in it - so she could write a book about the experience: 'Once More With Feeling' at Amazon Dugo 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did she make a porn video? 

message: Apparently Victoria has sought out her adoring public to give her a nickname, as it was suggested* she use/choose one during some recent (televised, I think) tournament.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2016395,00.html
The result? After she rejected some punny and sexually-suggestive offerings, she finally settled on "Teacup". Should this be part of the article? Perhaps with the link above? 
*Her original "call out for suggestions" article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2011127,00.html 199.214.28.80 20:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro tour "nickname" ... Teacup 

message: Could someone who understands poker translate the poker jargon into something more like plain English? Articles shouldn't use jargon without explaining it. qp10qp 21:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Thepineapplehead 20:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And undone? After only two hands of heads-up play the table saw a flop of 5-3-4. Tahtouh bet out and Coren called. After a 10 on the turn, Tahtouh moved all-in and Coren called instantly. Tahtouh showed 8-6, and Coren had 6-7. Having flopped the straight and avoiding a seven on the river to give Emad a higher straight, she defeated her opponent. Seriously, I have no idea what this means, other than she won (I think) 60.240.207.146 (talk) 11:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Poker jargon

message: Opening line says 1964 but she's listed in 1972 births...
Bigfatspider 11:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 18 August 1973 date does look wrong, there is a Birth Registration for a Victoria Elizabeth COREN registered in Hammersmith in Q3 1972 with mother's maiden name KASRIEL which is the name given for her mother in the article.  Only one COREN-KASRIEL marriage Alan COREN to Anne D KASRIEL in Q4 1963 in Marylebone. The Times, Wednesday, Aug 23, 1972 has an announcement of her birth on 18th August 1972.  --jmb (talk) 10:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: When was she born ?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Victoriacoren.jpg

message: I just watched an episode of Only Connect, where Coren stated she enjoyed the unreliability of Wikipedia, citing her own page, where it claimed for a long time she wrote a book about King Lear.  She said that she did not write such a book.  The claim appears all over the web, I don't know if they all copied Wikipedia, but that seems likely.  There is a short article on the Penguin Classics website, penned by a "Victoria Coren" (http://www.penguinclassics.co.uk/static/cs/uk/10/minisites/shakespeare/readmore/kinglear.html), but no indication it's the same person even for that.
So please do not re-add this information to the page, unless you have a better source than Coren herself, Only Connect (BBC4), Episode one, Series two.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Othellowasaprettycoolguy (talk • contribs) 06:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No book about King Lear 

message: The only 3rd party references we have are for her book. Arguably that's enough for an article 
for the book instead, but not for her (notability is not inherited - Wikipedia has articles for 
things like notable books, software, other products, but this doesn't automatically mean an 
article for who wrote them). There doesn't seem to be evidence to satisfy any of WP:AUTHOR. 
Yes, she writes for notable newspapers, but notability is not inherited. Her poker playing, 
whilst evidently good, doesn't qualify under basic criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Basic criteria. Mdwh (talk) 12:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing definitely needs work, but she's clearly notable per   & Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker#Biography article notability criteria. –xenotalk 13:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  She was on Have I got News for You. I think that means something. Surely, the combination of minor status across fields, and her celebrity qualifies as something? 60.240.207.146 (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So was a tub of lard. Not a big deal in the scheme of things. – ukexpat (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She's presented several radio and TV shows, written for numerous papers, had several news stories in papers *about* her, written at least two books and won the London EPT Poker Tour. What more do you want? 212.46.132.194 (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: Why no mention of her recent fight with Michael Winner over his Tweets about her breasts? She has written newspaper articles about it and the episode has provoked a lot of discussion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.62.32.131 (talk) 09:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the article history. Qwfp (talk) 10:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Twitter fight is nothing more than gossip; there's nothing to do with who Victoria Coren is or why she's worthy of having a Wikipedia article. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The episode seems to say more about Winner than Coren, which is probably why it has a brief mention in his entry. --Qwfp (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twitter fight with Michael Winner 

message: According to the daily telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/8362654/David-Mitchells-double-act-with-Victoria-Coren.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.216.18 (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Kinda looks like it. I'm probably missing something when the article mentions "Mandrake," and it's look a little gossip-y to me, but if I find any other references toward this pairing then I'd say it's worth a mention. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  She's apparently dating [[David Mitchell (actor)|David Mitchell]] 

message: The BBC, The JC say she is 38 now (1973). They are stronger sources than Ancestry.co.uk Span (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed you undid my edit on Victoria Coren's birth year, citing the reason as 'weak source'. You might wish to note the following: The Victoria Elizabeth Coren in the Birth Index (Hammersmith, Q3 1972, Mother's maiden name Kasriel) IS her. There is only 1 Victoria Coren appearing in the birth records for England and Wales from 1761 to 2006 (both on Ancestry.co.uk and Findmypast.com). The only 2 people whose surnames were Coren and mother's maiden surname Kasriel at any time were Victoria Elizabeth Coren and Giles Robin P Coren (1969 Hammersmith). The only marriage has between a male Coren and a female Kasriel was between Alan Coren and Anne D Kasriel in Marylebone Q4 1963 and it is well-documented that her brother is called Giles and her (late) father was Alan. I do this for a living (research, genealogy, people-finding). I can assure you that births are NEVER registered in the year before they occur. I can also add that journalists often get this sort of detail wrong (often by looking on Wikipedia). Do you have a subscription to Ancestry or Findmypast? If not, please don't contradict people who do. Iantnm (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia. This encyclopedia is an collaborative enterprise, we edit as a community. The talk pages are for discussion of such things as reliable sources and exploration of contradictory evidence. Here we go entirely by verifiable sources. Here Ancestry.com is held to be an unreliable source. Please see  the recent discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard. There is also doubt about findmypast.co.uk.  See the recent sources discussion here. As both are behind paywalls, their information is not readily checkable by all. We work and rely mostly on secondary and tertiary sources. As the noticeboard discussion concludes, I think it's safest to note in Coren's article that there are conflicting sources and the birth date is unclear at this point. I encourage you, Iantnm, to join this discussion. Span (talk) 12:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

text:  I have had an exchange with Span on my talk page which will be of interest to other editors involved in this discussion. Philip Cross (talk) 22:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As a user edited source IMDb is not held by WP to be a reliable source and is especially questionable for contested personal info in a BLP. The BBC,  JC sources give 1973. Other editors (above) say they have checked the birth records and are convinced the 1973 date was wrong. We can't use public documents as sources, but it might suggest there is a conflict of data somewhere. Celebrities very often fudge their birth dates. Who knows in this case? WP:BLP says no info is preferable to dodgy info. We might have to wait for Coren to explicitly state her birth date. This same question comes up often on many biogs. Span (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks as though the recommendations concerning the citing of IMDb has been strengthened since I last looked into the issue. The National Library of Australia, WorldCat  and The Independent have 1972. Note also that another editor has asserted that The Times on 23 August 1973 announced Victoria Coren's birth on the 18th. An Evening Standard piece by Coren dated 19 August 1972 identifies her birthday as "yesterday". I think that resolves the issue, and will change the source. Philip Cross (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking into that. Coren's own statement of her birth date has to be as conclusive as it gets. Hopefully that will put the above contention to bed. Cheers. Span (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Seeing this is cropping up again, I'll add this source, this, this... all of which confirm the statements by  above that she was born in 1972, as set out in the General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes - accessed via Ancestry.com but not user-generated.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth date again

message: I have added the technical specialist tag to this article because paragraph 2 of the "Poker" section contains jargon that will defeat most readers who have only a passing knowledge of the game.  It would be helpful if someone could re-write this section in language that most people could understand.  Peteinterpol (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the tag from the top of the article to the "Poker" section. Qwfp (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a section on this very subject, up the talk page.. Meerta (talk)
Joke?
"Coren has joked that she and Mitchell met at a party."  How is this supposed to be a joke?  What is so funny about meeting someone at a party?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.92.241 (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of specialist poker language 

message: The BBC are now referring to her as "Victoria Coren Mitchell" (see credits to tonight's episode of "Only Connect" plus the following: http://www.radiotimes.com/programme/tmvp/only-connect.
Should the title of this page change?  Peteinterpol (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't let us jump the gun.  Even she is unclear on what to do, cf: https://twitter.com/VictoriaCoren/status/334089651335856128 16:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've heard many media variations of her new name. We use the name most commonly recognised, as the article title, which will remain 'Victoria Coren' for quite a while yet. Span (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the name Coren-Mitchell in the credits to Heresy, presumably this is her new chosen name. Agreed don't bother renaming the article but if it's her new name it's worth a mention.Gymnophoria (talk) 11:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See Coren's Twitter comment above from one week ago. She still uses 'Victoria Coren' on her own website, in her Guardian column and as her Twitter moniker.  Span (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now writing for the Guardian as Coren Mitchell, and she's added "M." to her twitter account. Additionally she continues to be credited as Coren Micthell on Only Connect and also an appearance on The Culture Show. I think she's made her mind up! I move that the page be renamed and redirected accordingly. Andy (talk) 21:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of page: "Victoria Coren Mitchell"? 

message: On Heresy episode 704, she claimed that she could have competed in Beach Volleyball at an international level. Is that true, or is she just bragging that she looks good in a bikini?
Ptomblin (talk) 15:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Beach Volleyball?

message: The article of TV producer Harry Thompson states that his marriage broke down as the result of an affair with "a 25-year-old woman (later revealed to be Victoria Coren)", which links to here, but there is nothing about the matter in this article. Jock123 (talk) 10:22, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference to Coren in the Harry Thompson article is sourced to the Daily Mail, which is not a reliable source and should not be used anyway.  In any case, her friendship with Thompson does not seem sufficiently notable to be mentioned here.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Affair with Harry Thompson…? 

message: as host of Only Connect and Balderdash and Piffle amongst others, this definitely needs expanding!! It's on my to-do list should I ever get round to it, however it's prime for expanding until I do. Rayman60 (talk) 10:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television Career 

message: This article has a table of radio and television programmes which Victoria Coren Mitchell has appeared in, but would it not be better to have this table re-tabulated to make it clearer which programmes are television programmes and which programmes are radio programmes? Vorbee (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio and television

message: This article says she met David Mitchell at a film premiere but his article says they met at a party hosted by Jonathan Ross. Which is correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.117.43.76 (talk) 21:59, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting David Mitchell inconsistency 

message: As long as there's a reliable source that's been authorised by the subject(s) of the BLP, there's no reason to omit the name of a family member where appropriate. In this case, the daughter Barbara is mentioned in this source, which is an interview with David Mitchell on the Radio Times website, so I'd suggest it's safe to mention her name in this article. WP:BLPNAME states that names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced. I would argue that this example is properly sourced AND that readers would be sufficiently interested to look it up on Wikipedia. Also note that the name is included in David Mitchell's article, where the "reliable" source is merely a tweet. Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, no comments or objections after 7 days, so I'll do it. Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason to include the child's name. Per WP:BLPNAME: "The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject." Why is the child's name relevant or helpful in understanding the subject? The policy also says "The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons." I think it should be removed on that ground. Dave.Dunford (talk) 20:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So why didn't you mention that 7 days ago? And why do you not object to her being named in David Mitchell's article? Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:50, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: a) Because I didn't get round to it, and b) because I wasn't aware of it. But, returning to the matter in hand, you need to explain how including the child's name is "relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject" when the guideline says that the "presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons". Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbara 

message: She is yes 2A00:23C6:DB85:B500:20FA:9C39:DF9E:44C0 (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old goosebump arms?? 

message: Nickname should be changed to old goosebumps arm --> stated in taskmaster season 12 episode 9. 2A02:8084:51BE:5900:3D5F:BB94:67AE:6771 (talk) 00:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2021 

message: Add "Ol' Goosebump Arm" to "nicknames" - as of Taskmaster s12e09. NaryaNZ (talk) 08:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 09:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2021