Talk:MacBook Pro

message: Apple's "Vintage and obsolete products" page lists all three sizes in both the "vintage in US/Turkey only" and "obsolete worldwide" sections. I don't think that was the case last time I checked, but I don't know what it means for this article here on Wikipedia or when/if they'll amend the contradiction. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 03:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early 2011 MacBook Pro vintage or obsolete 

message: In March, the "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3)" was renamed to "‎Fourth generation (Touch Bar and USB-C)" because "The connector type is more widely known as USB-C"
I would argue its not about the connector type. A USB-C connector which only supports USB 2.0 HS (High Speed) is a valid USB-C connector, while Thunderbolt 3 guarantees Thunderbolt, Display Port and USB 3.1 Gen 2 support.
Therefore, "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3)" is more precise, as an alternative, "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C)" could be considered, to make  it more accessible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intg (talk • contribs) 06:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3) vs (Touch Bar and USB-C) 

message: Up until May 2019, the supported OS section for older Mac Book Pros, e.g. the 2008 models, stated:
"OS X 10.11 El Capitan
(Unofficially, can run up to macOS 10.14 Mojave with Mojave Patcher)"
with Mojave Patcher being a Link to https://dosdude1.com/mojave/ .
This was removed because of "WP:V, WP:NOTPROMO".
I do not see the issue. I would like to add unofficially supported versions as yellow boxes to the table in the section "Supported macOS releases".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intg (talk • contribs) 06:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unofficially supported macOS versions 

message: Regarding MacBook_Pro#Supported_macOS_releases
This strikes me as a case of table misuse (MOS:NO-TABLES). Can we convert this into a list of hardware models, and for each bullet mention the supported range of OSes simply? --Saledomo (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported macOS releases 

message: There is another article on Staingate, but I think it should either be merged with this one, or at least a link should be placed in the third generation section, since it's a common issue with this generation.
It's a very prominent and notorious problem, and apple had a program where they would replace the screens free of charge, therefore acknowledging the design flaw. I hope that this info can be included. 128.195.66.168 (talk) 07:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd generation anti-reflective coating issues, aka 'Staingate' 

message: See title.
I made the mistake of replacing two 4MB SIMMs/DIMMs (which one?) with one 8MB.
BIG MISTAKE when it came time for restoring the OS.
Many headaches would have been avoided if I had kept it 4+4 MB cards, PLURAL. 
LP-mn (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  6,2 version MUST have two Memory cards 

message: This should be split off into its own section. There's a precedent for this, when the Mac Mini switched from PowerPC to Intel but was otherwise externally identical. Though Apple is once again referring to Apple silicon with "new" and "previous generation" language, so are we on gen 6 now? -Shivertimbers433 (talk) 23:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Apple Silicon version should have their own article as most of the rest of the lineup has separate articles for PowerPC and Intel versions so the same should apply between Intel and Apple Silicon. Subscribe to me (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As I point out above, I vote that the article can be split into a new section, but not into a separate page that requires link clicking.  Showing the information to a first-time reader on the same page at a good level of detail (visually clear to the reader that there exists this level of detail available) is important. Supernova87a (talk) 09:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Apple Silicon version should have its own article just like the iMac instead of referring to Mac Mini. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 16:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Apple Silicon MacBook Pro: new section, now 6th generation?

message: I think the PowerBook is the predecessor to the MacBook Pro because they both denote the "superordinate" brand, while the PowerBook G4 is a generation within the PowerBook.
Arguments in favor:
*The model identifier PowerBook 1,1 is first seen in the fourth PowerBook G3 (Bronze Keyboard, Lombard), and is continued within the G4 series. (Note: No similar identifiers seem to have been used in previous PowerBooks, so the introduction of the Powerbook 1,1 identifier probably does not represent a major page break within the PowerBook brand.)
*The G4 suffix merely represents an upgrade to PowerPC G4.
*The G4 suffix has lived alongside the PowerBook for only 5 years while the PowerBook brand has been around for 15 years, which is the same duration as the MacBook Pro today.
*Changes in the suffix have occured to the MacBook Pro as well in the form of screen size ("13-inch").
Arguments against:
*Design changes have been more noticable between the G3 and G4 than within each of the generations, so the G4 can be seen as a superordinate brand as well, with 2 generations within itself. (Though design changes have been major for MacBook Pros as well.)
Andibrema (talk) 10:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Predecessor: "Powerbook G4" or "Powerbook"? 

message: I noticed some disagreements about how the different generations are defined, but as far as I can tell this numbering isn't even used by Apple. Why are they important at all, and what's the source of them? If they're just made up, can't we just use headings without counting the generations? For example:
*2006: First generation
*2008: unibody enclosure
*2012: Retina screen
*2016: Touch bar
*2019: Magic keyboard
*2020: Apple M1 processor
Just a thought. Same goes for the Macbook Air article... EditorInTheRye (talk) 21:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking to re-engage as the debate is ongoing. I just restored the initial version with 6 generations today. Looking for a source, I found https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201300, which likely adds more confusion as it would appear there are [13?] generations of MacBook Pro, with the first being the MacBookPro4,x in 2008, and the latest the MacBookPro17,1 in 2020 (the M1). I think saying there are three generation to make viewing the article is incorrect, but the current listing of 6 generations also doesn’t seem to match up with Apple, but it may be more recognizable to Mac users. Thoughts and other sources? N.J.A.  | talk 11:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

text: I would say we give the apple silicon models their own line of generations. We would refer to what's on sale right now as the 1st generation Apple Silicon MacBook Pro and then when it gets a new design refer to that as the 2nd generation Apple Silicon MacBook Pro. Currently, the iMac is split up G3, G4, G5, and then 1st Gen Intel (looks mostly the same as the iMac G5), 2nd Gen Intel (2007), 3rd being the 2009 Unibody, 4th being the 2012 slim unibody, 5th being the retina, and then Apple Silicon. I expect that in the future we will refer to the current Apple Silicon iMac as the first generation Apple Silicon iMac, and then when a redesign comes out that will be referred to as the 2nd generation Apple Silicon. So, basically, we split them up by processor type. Subscribe to me (talk) 19:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  why do we bother numbering the generations? 

message: I am in strong favor of reverting the generation numbers to 5 or 6. We had a continuity during the past 10 years when we named the generations here on Wikipedia and there is no argument in grouping some generations together. I think we have grandfathered the generation names we have established over the past 10 years. Or else, are we going to call a specific computer a Macbook Pro (pre 2021: third generation, since 2021: second generation)? Let us please revert the numbers and then discuss here.--Homei (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it, the Apple Silicon models will start their own line of generations, and the first redesign will be referred to as the 2nd Generation Apple Silicon while what's on sale right now are 5th Generation Intel and 1st generation Apple Silicon Subscribe to me (talk) 19:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert generations to 5 or 6 

message: Hello, I have finally figured out how to message y’all so I am here to give my take. I want to come to an agreement on how we should layout the generations Responding to NJA And Homei sorry I wasn’t able to respond quickly because I was working but how I think the generations are numbered Is through Design generations also following the MacBook Air such with the MacBook Pro as calling the “Third generation (Retina)” the “Second generation (Retina)” because that generation shares mostly the same design as the Second Generation from 2008 and lining up with the second generation MacBook Air from 2010 while the “Fourth generation (Touch Bar and USB-C)” is the “Third generation (Touch Bar and USB-C)” and the 2019 16in and 2020 M1 are although significant revisions I wouldn’t call those whole generations, Same goes with the MacBook Air. Below you can find a Cruddy timeline I made but it perfectly explains what I am going at on the MacBook Pro side.
Rico The MLG PRO (talk) 02:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally models are grouped by chassis type. The Retina models were a major redesign in and out from the previous unibody models. New dimensions, new port arrangements, new internals, new screen tech. I don't think they should be grouped together merely because they kind of look alike. -Shivertimbers433 (talk) 04:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

text: My idea for the generations is that the retina and non-retina are different generations, with the Magic Keyboard also being used as differentiation as the magic keyboard models are ever so slightly thicker and Apple did officially describe it as a generation, with for the 16-inch the bezels shrinking. And in a less obvious way that's basically how they describe every redesign. But for the Apple Silicon models I suggest we instead start a new line of generations.  Subscribe to me (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing the Generation disagreement. 

message: Could we get some consensus on the article? I was re-reading it and under the Retina MacBook Pro it refers to itself as a "third generation MacBook Pro" and as a "second generation with Retina Display". I'd be more leaning towards a rename to third generation as it's much more than just a Unibody with a new screen. The readability and comprehension seems to suffer because of this confusion. Server 686 (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retina MacBook Pro: Second Generation with Retina Display or Third Generation? 

message: Proposing a split again for the different processor architectures, to MacBook Pro, MacBook Pro (Intel-based) and MacBook Pro (Apple silicon). The articles for iMac and MacBook Air are split this way, with the main page a short overview, and separate pages for deep-dives into specific models. Last time this was proposed there was some hesitancy as Apple was still selling Intel-based models, but this is no longer the case. -Shivertimbers433 (talk) 03:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Monkeyjam (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Looks like it's time for someone to take action. Monkeyjam (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split: Intel and Apple silicon (Oct 2021) 

message: A few of the generations (not all) were cited to the Apple marketing resources, but that's an obscure page that's vulnerable to WP:CITOGENESIS. While there are a few other sources that use these generations, they're quite likely to be CITOGENESIS too, since this article has used our "generations" nomenclature for many years. I've changed the headings to reflect the common names of these machines. DFlhb (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generations