Talk:Andrew Lloyd Webber/Archive 1

message: "Dubbed by many as this (the twentith) centuries greatest composer..." (sic.)
Er, who said this?  I find this very doubtful. Cal T 19:47, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Greatest composer"?

message: I have deleted the images on this page as they are on the speedy deletion list as they have no copyright information. Do not restore them until they are tagged with a suitable license, if that is indeed possible. If I see him around I will take a picture. Justinc 17:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Does anybody know what order of Knighthood Llloyd Webber is?
:He's a Knight Bachelor. Proteus (Talk) 07:48, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Knighthood

message: What is Andrew Lloyd Webber's religion? Is he jewish?? If not what are his religious beliefs?
:This unsigned comment was added on 09:21, 13 February 2006 by 
::Please sign your posts  Jerry lavoie 19:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it matter? He has set "christian" stories and texts but without any particular POV. Robsteadman 10:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's religion

message: I removed the fact that Lloyd Webber and Stephen Sondheim share their birthday because it is irrelevant.  They also share their birthday with Anthony van Dyck, Chico Marx and Marcel Marceau - which doesn't tell us anything about Lloyd Webber or Sondheim either.  I share my birthday with Prince Charles, which is lucky for him because it means he gets the national anthem played on the BBC on his birthday, but I wouldn't put that in an encyclopedia article about me :-)  --RobertG ♬ talk 10:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sondheim's birthday

message: It is currently nearly impossible to read as there are no divisions what so ever.
Nothing needs changing except the formatting.
:This unsigned comment was added on 09:08, 31 October 2006 by 
::Please sign your posts  Jerry lavoie 19:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Should I divide up the Professional Career?

message: I was looking at the IMDB article for the Jesus Christ Superstar film, and saw that it said that King Herod's Song was originally called Those Saladin Days and was from an unfinished musical called King Richard. Does anyone have any information on this? Tobzhooli 14:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: King Richard Musical

message: The section "Shows" is full of fair use pictures. I think all of them should be removed, and the section should contain only a list of his shows. Tomer T 17:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shows

message: Should the Madonna Evita film not be referenced on this page?  It is particularly significant because the new 'You must love me' was the first Lylod Webber / Rice team up in years (at least I think that's right). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.185.153 (talk) 22:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Evita film

message: shouldnt something be said that he is currently working on phantom of the opera 2 which is set in america ~source graham norton show  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.51.44 (talk) 06:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently says "On his website, Lloyd Webber announced that he was planning to write a sequel to The Phantom of the Opera, based on the novel, The Phantom of Manhattan, by Frederick Forsyth, who will collaborate. The sequel is to be set in New York, although no further details have been given." By all means, expand if you have any more information. -- Dafyd (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phantom of the Opera 2 

message: It is not clear which guy in the photo is actually A.L.W. There should be a caption specifying this or it should specify it in the first paragraph of prose in the article. I'd do it, but I don't know which one is him. --58.28.152.52 (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: "He was the most popular theatre composer of the late 20th century..." - Do we have any proof?
I think so, yes. To the best of my knowledge, no other theatre composer has equaled his success in terms of the number of record runs on Broadway and in the West End, or the worldwide success of his shows. The Phantom of the Opera is the highest grossing entertainment of all. However, the recent revision by the user with IP 66.61.115.28 makes a lot of sense to me, as it makes the opening seem tighter. It's probably also generally better to avoid making big statements such as "he was the most... this and that" even if they are true. I much prefer this opening, even though I had some input into the older version. 29/06/2007  
:That sounds like original research to me. References need to be added to that statement in the article. --58.28.152.52 (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular

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message: This article was for some time without a criticism section and read like a fan page; yet it is known that Lord L-W is not without some dissenting voices about his genius, including other musicians. Some have pointed out that passages from his work appear not to be original, which is an informed and specific criticism of Lord L-W's oeuvre and notable. Roger Waters is one such and as Pink Floyd has produced very notable music, it belongs in any article. An anonymous IP editor wants to remove just all Waters' comments on ALW, both in prose and in song, yet inconsistently leaves the Puccini estate in. Anyone with a musical ear listening to "Echoes" and "Phantom" will agree with Waters that the chromatic passages are identical except for a semitone difference in key; this is not to say that it proves ALW deliberately copied Pink Floyd. It does illustrate that at least one famous musician begs to demur about ALW's total wonderfulness.--Straw Cat (talk) 10:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No he didn't any more than Wagner did, but he did invent the particular sequence using it, in 12/8, moving down and then up the scale, that occurs in Echoes and is recycled in Phantom.
--Straw Cat (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

text: True - and the sarcasm was not directed at you. But what have you got against Waters's criticisms, that you don't have against the others?--Straw Cat (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: The source leads to a reproduction of this article, and I don't think it's true, but I don't know. 71.164.185.211 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weekend at Bernie's? 

message: The text reads: "She won a Tony for the role, and after experienced growth of nodes on her vocal cords. ". What is this supposed to mean? Myrvin (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mid-1970s 

message: I just changed a 'Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber' to 'Lord Andrew Lloyd Webber' but now I'm wondering if that is his correct title - should it be 'Lord Lloyd Webber' or 'Lord Webber'? I believe it tends to be down to personal preference on the part of the Lord himself so does anybody know what his correct title ought be? -Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.14.130 (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the article calls Lloyd Webber "Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber" "Baron Lloyd-Webber" and "Andrew Lloyd Webber" at various stages throughout.Should there not be some consistancey, and he be called "Lord Lloyd-Webber" throughout, save the first time his name is mentioned in the first paragraph, where it could be left as it is? Jamescourtenay (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ALW was knighted in 1992, becoming Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber. He was created Baron Lloyd-Webber in 1997. Smithsonian magazine for October 2007 refers, on page 88, to his being "...given an honorary life peerage... as the Right Honorable Baron Lloyd-Webber of Sydmonton Court, his estate about 90 minutes west of London." And just a bit further on in the same article, "(A note about the hyphen: as a young man Lloyd Webber's father, William, added the 'Lloyd' to his name to distinguish himself from W. G. Webber, a rival organist at the Royal College of Music. And while the young Andrew occasionally hyphenated his name in correspondence, his baronial title is the only place it is hyphenated today, as British titular custom mandates a hyphen when there is a double surname.)" Dick Kimball (talk) 14:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also just noticed that while the Honours section gives ALW's title as "Baron Lloyd-Webber of Sydmonton," the article in Smithsonian (above) styles him "Baron Lloyd-Webber of Sydmonton Court." His estate is Sydmonton Court, rather than just Sydmonton, see Sydmonton Festival, but there may be a geographic area thereabouts named Sydmonton for which the festival on his estate is named. Dick Kimball (talk) 16:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Since Baron Lloyd-Webber not only can but does sit in the House of Lords (he's a Conservative) perhaps the "honorary" in the Smithsonian article I cited above is an error. Dick Kimball (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Because he's not a KBE.  He's a Knight Bachelor, which takes no postnominal letters.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  06:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: New article on Lloyd Webber and his brother: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jan/08/lloyd-webber-ian-sansom  -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Guardian article

message: Not that it really matters, but I was just curious as to the reason for the switch. Lloyd Webber's shows are released in the West End before transferring to Broadway.
As a British composer the first productions of the Lloyd Webber musicals are mounted in the West End before they transfer to Broadway. Yip1982 (talk) 06:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Broadway/West End

message: He is referred to variously throughout the article by many different names.  This being an encylopedia, I believe we should pick one (e.g., Lloyd-Webber), and stick with that.--Ethelh (talk) 02:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quoting an article in the October 2007 Smithsonian magazine, "...while the young Andrew occasionally hyphenated his name in correspondence, his baronial title is the only place it is hyphenated today, as British titular custom mandates a hyphen when there is a double surname." Dick Kimball (talk) 14:15, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Webber

message: "As a child, he could not bear noises made by others. At the age of three, when brought to his first day of pre-school at a school where his mother worked, he covered his ears when other children produced sounds with musical instruments." 
Thanks for this contribution. However, it doesn't seem to me to be a very significant biographical detail. Is it really worthy of inclusion here? 14/06/07
:It needs to be sourced at the very least. TheScotch (talk) 10:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal history

message: Above the article, a line states
"In this name, the family name consists of two words; the family name is Lloyd Webber, not Webber."
Is there any source for this? And I mean real documented sourcing, not just newspaper articles.
Sure, his father was already called William Lloyd Webber and his brother has a "Lloyd" too in his name, but William did not inherit it from his father, William Charles Henry Webber, but adopted it later in life to distinguish himself from another man called Webber.
Sure, it seems to have now become customary in the family to use that name but that doesn't make it a surname. Consider that every descendant of J.R.R. Tolkien has "Reuel" among their names. Still, the family name is only Tolkien. 
Regardless of how ALW is referred to throughout the article, the statement on top is simply not based on sources and seems to state quite the opposite of the facts.
Str1977 (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Family name

message: "...he abandoned the course [at Oxford] in Winter 1965 to study at the Royal College of Music and pursue his interest in musical theatre."
Would someone please clarify whether ALW actually graduated from the Royal College of Music or not? If so, in what year did he graduate and, if not, how long did he study there and when did he leave? Dick Kimball (talk) 15:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal College of Music 

message: One section of this article states: "The Sunday Times Rich List 2006 ranked him the 87th-richest man in Britain with an estimated fortune of £700 million. His wealth increased to £750 million in 2007, but the publication ranked him 101st in 2008." This sounds way off from what I had read last year. I could swear Lloyd Webber made the top 10 in Britain. Anyone have an update on this? ZincOrbie (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Sunday Times Rich List for 2012 ALW's fortune is indicated to be £680 million (equivalent to about €837 million or US$1046 million when this was written) considerably outside the Top Ten (2012 cutoff: £5900 million), albeit also a considerable distance from penury. Dick Kimball (talk) 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wealth

message: We're calling him "The Right Honourable Andrew Lloyd Webber".  This is quite wrong.  The "Rt Hon" comes from his peerage, and it can only be used in association with his peerage title, Baron Lloyd-Webber.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  03:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On a similar note, would someone who understands the British peerage far better than I please explain how all of ALW's children are styled "Hon." I thought the main characteristic of a life peerage was that it was not heritable. Dick Kimball (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own question, the Wikipedia entry on Life_peerage indicates, "The legitimate children of a life peer take the privilege of children of hereditary peers, being entitled to style themselves with the prefix the Honourable." So there! Dick Kimball (talk) 16:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rt Hon etc

message: I am sure that at one time he was included in the category "British billionaires". If he is still a billionaire, this should be one of the categories at the base of this article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Is he still a billionaire?

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