Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Issue 002

message: This page is a placeholder for discussion of what to say in the NEXT newsletter. Since a recepient characterised Issue 001 as "not finished yet" when it was delivered... :) maybe this one we talk about a bit more? or less, maybe?? Oh I dunno. ++Lar: t/c 21:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would we send it if it were not finished? I will ask him/her why they felt it wasn't - see if there is anything we missed. On Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles I suggested that the Navbox be included as a featured "To Do" item for this, as you and Kingboyk have more than enough on your plates and my knowledge isn't up to the task. Any fool , er, editor who takes it on can then be tapped for other tech stuff.LessHeard vanU 22:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have asked.LessHeard vanU 22:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a big deal, I just thought it was funny! it's good to always have stuff left to do, keeps interest up. We all contribute in ways that are comfy for us... so don't worry about that either. As to striking things out, it is stock HTML. the  tag is how you do it. ++Lar: t/c 22:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that user comes back with good tips and stuff, then it is good. If not, no big deal. I've noted your comments elsewhere about the Navbox, and fine and thanks. I do wonder if we should have a technical todo on this issue, just to see if we can "snare" another user with those skills? ps. I have tried the HMTL... hits preview button... and, thank you (again).LessHeard vanU 23:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every user on the project has done good stuff including GP... Some more than others, is all. I'm not worried. we'll get there eventually, and till then we're having fun. ++Lar: t/c 00:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've elaborated a bit on the talk page where I originally posted the comment. (I guess it's the one for Issue 001?) I don't have any suggestions for the next issue, as of yet, but, like I said on the other page, we have a whole month to put it together this time. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Placeholder for next time

message: If we go with a project tips box for issue 002, should Project be capitalised? ("Some project tips" vs. "Some Project tips") I oppose changing what issue 001 says, it's historic now, and should not be changed. I'm of two minds about issue 2. Usage to me suggests it not be capitalised but I'm not all atwitter about it. ++Lar: t/c 15:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the title at the top of this page includes "WikiProject" then I suppose the capitalisation of the "P" would be correct, too. It might make the newsletter look more professional (if that is the image we wish to present*) as well.*sometimes "professional" doesn't look "friendly", it depends what we are trying to achieve.LessHeard vanU 20:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we called the tagline "some WikiProject tips" I'd agree (and I'd be fine with calling it that if we wanted to). But just project doesn't seem to need to carry the capital that way. IMHO anyway. Not that this is the biggest issue facing us, of course. Grin. ++Lar: t/c 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the biggest, no.... but if we do capitalise it, do we then refer to it as "The Project" or "the Project"? Evil grin!LessHeard vanU 21:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Smartass! Ok, (slightly) more seriously, maybe we better send Yoko an email and ask her? ++Lar: t/c 21:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Project with a capital P! It's the only way to go! I'm ready to go 10RR on this one :) (Kidding. I think it should be capitalised, but I don't really care as long as we're consistent). --kingboyk 21:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project tips 

message: There's been a little flurry of activity today, as with the assistance of User:Lar I've overhauled the article classification system and our main Project talk page template. Please see Template:WPBeatles, Template_talk:WPBeatles#This_template_just_got_serious_:.29, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification#Changes_to_grading_and_templates, User_talk:Lar#Beatles_WikiProject and Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects#So.2C_how_do_we_use_it.3F for all the juicy info. --kingboyk 20:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or I could just say, "You guys dun it, den you guys rite it!" By the time I've reviewed the various pages (and corresponded enough to ensure I understood things) and written the piece it might get into Julys newsletter - so I think I will throw the ball back into your court.LessHeard vanU 20:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I don't feel much like writing any more about it right now :) Could you use what I wrote at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification#Changes_to_grading_and_templates, or shall we hold this for next month? This is gonna be an ongoing story anyway... --kingboyk 20:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use it? I don't fucking ruddy understand it! I am not going to write anything for fear of misrepresentation - and being shown up for the idiot I am (and the bucketmouth, too).... I will do a very simple direct and leave it at that. As it is an ongoing matter (?) then perhaps a larger piece for next months? I will do my bit on the newsletter, and let you decide whether it stays or keeps till next month.LessHeard vanU 20:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okie doke. It can wait. I'm in winding-down-with-a-beer mode now :) --kingboyk 20:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've written it. That reminds me, I have a beer in the fridge!LessHeard vanU 20:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. Enjoy your beer! --kingboyk 20:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope. Had nothing to do with our Project as far as I know. --kingboyk 22:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nor did I. I see The Beatles was selected for inclusion but I had no input into that. Worth a mention perhaps though. ++Lar: t/c 13:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More news 

message: Wow. After the "gee what are we going to say" discussion at the start, I was quite amazed/impressed/pleased/floored with how FAT this issue was!!!! Well done all you editors... but of course we don't want it to be TOO fat. So I've given the issue a copyedit, looking for ways to take words out and tighten up the prose, but keep meaning. I think I've done OK at that. I also clarified and expanded a few things and gave a few more links. I also put a skeleton for issue three in place and put a link to it on the outreach page, and in the newsletter itself. 
Are we ready to go with this issue? I'll get this out (regenerate the subscriber list, subst the todo list into the issue so it's "frozen" and do an AWB run to leave a copy with everyone except GP who wants only to be notified) later today if so. Of course, please feel free to change any of mychanges (goes without saying but I DO like saying it!) Oh... and of course this qualifies me as an editor... tee hee. ++Lar: t/c 13:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: everyone except GP... and Gruntness, who has the page watchlisted. --kingboyk 17:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks and sounds good to me. Lessheard said he is off for a couple of days so you might have to make an executive decision on whether to start firing. --kingboyk 13:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think first thing tomorrow (my time) if no one has squawked by then, I'll call it and away it goes... ++Lar: t/c 22:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't see this before, and I did some more editing to the issue. I think that we should never jump the gun on sending out an issue. It should be released as close to the last day/first day of the month as possible. There's still 4 days left in the month, so I think we should let them play out. It'll allow for any last minute copyediting. Plus, a lot could happen in four days (in terms of news). —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 00:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a question of when the distributor is available to fire it out (although, that said, I'm quite happy to do it, and I'm here every day) but also of not leaving it around too long so that it gets stale. We probably have slightly different opinions on the required quality, and as always mine is just an opinion. Everyone has them and... :) --kingboyk 07:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 31st is a Tuesday but it's the day after a holiday for us in the US, and it will be my first day at a new client. So I won't be able to do the run till the evening (when, it technically will be 1 June in some parts of the world). I'm fine with waiting and happy to do it (and in fact would prefer to do it as I have already set up the needed lists) but my preference would be to do it today or at latest, tomorrow morning, before I fly out in the afternoon. ++Lar: t/c 14:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You crazy people and your jobs. That's why I do my editing at home. Alright, well, feel free to release whenever you're ready. (I don't see it as a big deal if it's already June 1st in certain parts of the world when you release, but meh.) But don't come crying to me if something huge happens between now and June 1st. ;) —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 23:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, as a note I did not use the template for issue 3, as I forgot about it! I just copied issue 2 and trimmed a lot away. The template perhaps could be enhanced with the stuff I left (new people, articles added etc, are all stubbed out but present in the items list)~ thoughts? I'll do it if I remember. ++Lar: t/c 13:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the contents, as above, could be added to the template along with any subsequent headings we find useful. That way we have existing lists for most contingencies/requirements. Then it would be a matter of removing unused items prior to despatch. However, as I mentioned on the latest newsletter talk page, it is up to the contributing editors to agree layout, style and content - it just means that there is a comprehensive template to deviate from,LessHeard vanU 10:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. That's the purpose of the template (to set it up as before) and the reason for subst'ing (that month's editors can change it as they see fit). So, fire away my man! --kingboyk 11:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've only just returned - and if it hasn't been delivered already I'm putting a couple of new participants in the newsletter. If it has gone, then they need putting into the next one.LessHeard vanU 16:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hasn't went. Do it. (I think maybe you just did...) ++Lar: t/c 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ready to go?? 

message: I know I've wiggled around on this a lot. I just got to MSP about 2 hours ago and after catching up on WP:AN/I (what a mess!) I'm out of time for tonite, so I'll do it tomorrow (Tuesday) after work. That will be May 30, May 31 in some parts of the world which is close enough. If something really huge happens late May 31, we'll hear about it next month. I do want to do the delivery, don't anyone else "hog the fun!"  (please?) ++Lar: t/c 04:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've only just returned - and if it hasn't been delivered already I'm putting a couple of new participants in the newsletter. If it has gone, then they need putting into the next one.LessHeard vanU 16:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hasn't went. Do it. (I think maybe you just did...) ++Lar: t/c 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delivery

message: If anyone has any complaints, you know what to do... ++Lar: t/c 01:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "cat complaints > /dev/null" ? --kingboyk 08:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delivered

message: Could someone move these pages to the relevent section in... um... er... wherever it was that Issue 001 was placed?LessHeard vanU 11:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean this , done! If not, please elaborate. --kingboyk 11:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last job