Talk:W. Edwards Deming

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*Sunray 02:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hummm, that wasn't a big response.  It will take longer with only two.  Perhaps we plug away and see if anyone will join in. Sunray 18:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article improvements

message: These sites seemed to be links to commercial ventures without adding any biographical detail. I have removed them on this basis.
:*Deming Scholars MBA Degree Fordham University MBA course contents, promoting the MBA
:*Deming Library Videos Videos for sale
:*Summary & reviews The New Economics 2nd Edition 1993. Amazon link duplicating biography section
These sites require subscription and so are not terribly useful for the reader.
:* Obituary from Philadelphia Inquirer, Dec. 1993
-- Ashley VH 16:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the Inquirer is free. It should be rsstored. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just tested the link again and you can only see a preview for free. You can subscribe to a free trial but the link in Wikipedia ought to take you straight to the article. Perhaps you can suggest an alternative link? -- Ashley VH 16:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed commercial sites 

message: Newt Gingrich considered himself a pupil of Deming and borrows many of his ideas, as evidenced in "To Renew America" JFW | T@lk 08:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gingrich 

message: The sentence under "Overview" begins very poorly. If you are going to improve the concise nature of this article the very first sentence of this section should be changed.  As of right now it starts "Ford motor company was simultaneously manufacturing a car with transmissions made in Japan and the United States."  When were they manufacturing these simultaneously?  This reads quite poorly in my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.136.104.21 (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readability 

message: Is it "Deeming" or "Demming"?  Maybe someone who knows can insert a pronunciation at the beginning. 173.16.252.144 (talk) 15:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to https://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/deming, it's "Demming" (and has the emphasis on the first syllable).  I won't add it now as I don't understand WP's preferred phonetic markup. Pastychomper (talk) 08:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Dr. Deming lamented the problem of automation gone awry ("robots painting robots"): instead, he advocated human-assisted semi-automation, which allows people to change the semi-automated or computer-assisted processes, based on new knowledge. Compare to Japanese term 'jidoka' (which can be loosely translated as "automation with a human touch").
There is no citation for this point, and the Japanese translation is suspect.  The JDICT entry for jidouka says automation, plain and simple. 
自動化(P); 自働化(iK) 【じどうか】 (n,vs) automation;http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1MDJjidouka
I propose to remove the latter sentence if no one provides some justification for it.
98.217.134.243 (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-Automated, not Fully Automated

message: Point 7 in "A Lesser Category of Obstacles" states that "the system desired by management is responsible for 85% of the unintended consequences"; shome mishtake, shurely? Wouldn't designed be more apt?  Leptosome (talk) 16:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Deadly Diseases 

message: Fixed broken link in Note 1. The article was moved to deming-network.org. The original footnote text was wrong. It was a 1950 lecture, not a 1912 lecture. Mediasponge (talk) 21:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed broken link 

message: :I reworded some phrases and edited for grammar, it should be ok now so I removed the copy edit request.Meatsgains (talk) 21:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: copy edit

message: I have moved the following links from the article's External links section. They are inappropriate as ELs but could be useful as sources to support article content. 
*W. Edwards Demings' Contributions to Toyota 
*W. Edwards Deming Founder of Statistical Process Control for Quality Management
*"Quality As Defined By Deming": Lecture by Newt Gingrich
* Obituary from Philadelphia Inquirer, Dec. 1993
*The Deming Prize
*The Deming Forum home page 
*Deming Scholars MBA Program at Fordham University in New York City
*The Deming Collaboration 
Jojalozzo (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate external links 

message: The tenth bullet under Quotations and Concepts, titled Deming Cycle, contains the phrase "Plan-Do-Check-Act (PDCA), also known as Plan-Do-Study-Act or PDSA". But it's wrong according to the paragraph "PDCA myth" under Deming Philosophy Synopsis, which credits Dr. Deming for PDSA and calls PDCA "a corruption". I don't know how to resolve this but I'm flagging the disconnect. Sooku (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  PDCA vs. PDSA 

message: His interactions with Russell Ackoff - census in 1950's and otherwise need to be documented.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77A3:8810:6C81:8A8C:88A0:1750 (talk) 01:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ackoff 

message: I actually like the writing style for this article. Just a quick opinion. Allen750 (talk) 07:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the motion! I love this page. Such a great hero hardly anyone knows about =/ Out of all the things to talk about in regards to his influence I love that he is the fundamental reason why Japanese automobiles are much more reliable than American or European ones. Void burn (talk) 05:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Style 

message: This section could use some citations / pruning. For example, who are these 'Japanese proponents' summarising Deming's philosophy? Also, it's unclear whether that formula for quality came directly from Deming or the aforementioned proponents. Frankly, it makes no sense (and conveys a false sense of precision). For instance, it suggests that quality will always rise when costs are reduced. That can't possibly be true, and it's hard to see why there would be some immutable linear relationship between the two.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.128.188 (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deming philosophy synopsis 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Deming is famous for saying "In God We Trust.  All Others Bring Data!"
TODO: it would be great to highlight this insight and tell the story behind it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brutzman (talk • contribs) 17:07, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Got Data? 

message: according to Time mag 2005 "Deming was a modern illustration of the biblical truth that a prophet is without honor in his own land. Educated in mathematics and physics, he worked with Bell Labs' Walter Shewhart during the 1930s developing quality-control theories that stressed achieving uniform results during production rather than through inspection at the end of the production line. During World War II Deming successfully ; applied his approach to the making of airplane parts. Ignored by postwar American industry, the irascible Deming took his gospel to Japan in 1950, where it was embraced. His ideas finally took root in the U.S. in the 1980s, when the Detroit auto industry asked for his help in competing with the very Japanese firms he had inspired" 216.130.55.162 (talk) 00:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this article of Deming hide American industry rejection?