Talk:Joe Volpe

message: GD,
I think the Toronto Sun link is our only remaining disagreement on this page (unless you're going to insist on including the Pierre Poilievre quote, which I don't think is particularly notable).  Rather than continuing a revert war over something this minor, can I recommend that we ask for an outside opinion?  CJCurrie 23:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Toronto Sun is not my fav either, but I would hope we're going to be broader than only using info from the top 5 newspapers of Canada. Otherwise I don't think we would be acting in the spirit of the idea of Wikipedia. The Sun has enough skin in the game that it can't libel without fear of being sued. In this particular case they say that have the proof. That's good enough for me. The Sun is claiming an exclusive which is why the others aren't reporting on it. I don't think we want to get into saying the Sun newspaper is outright lying. And without taking sides I think we can still observe that, at this point, this is hardly a wildly out of character fact regarding Volpe given all the controversy. Deet 23:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: While its reputation is not stellar, Sunmedia is one of the largest newspaper chains in Canada.  It is a valid source.  Though, I may  soften the comments by making mention that the Sun is a right-leaning paper.  That may help the reader decide what weight to put on the story. Resolute 00:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe $10k isn't that big a deal in the scope of spending. That's an executive trip to London. I think it should be discounted somewhat given the narrow coverage.  ps, I don't agree with labelling Sun Media as right-wing unless you can get that label to stick on the Sun Media main article. Deet 00:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By way of clarification, I should point out that "Youth for Volpe" is already mentioned in a one-sentence reference.  CJCurrie 09:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sunmedia link

message: If no-one objects, I plan to change this sentence:
The poster was a response to relevations of the Liberals' involvement in the federal sponsorship scandal of 2004-05.
to this:
The poster was a response to reports that some members of the Liberal Party were involved in the federal sponsorship scandal.
Reasons:
(i)  The Liberal Party as a whole was not responsible for the scandal; some members were.  We should clarify this point.
(ii)  The scandal did not occur in 2004-05; it was reported in 2004-05.
(iii)  "Revelations" is in this context an emotive term, not an analytical one.  In any event, it's misspelled.
I think we may need to reword the section about Graham and Mackinnon as well.  I believe I've already mentioned that they didn't "stand by" Volpe, so much as indicate that he didn't break any party rules.  CJCurrie 20:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect, the current wording ("the Liberals'") implies that the party as a whole was involved.  Unbless you can convince me otherwise, I'll change the wording shortly.  By way of compromise, I'll keep "revelations".  CJCurrie 00:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Further changes

message: I've filed an RfC. CJCurrie 05:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comments

message: GoldDragon has now reverted my NPOV notice for a second time.  Does anyone believe this is reasonable behaviour?  CJCurrie 02:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm making a charge of "undue weight", so the NPOV notice is quite reasonable.  You have no right to remove it.  CJCurrie 03:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is specifically mentioned on the Wikipedia:NPOV dispute page which is linked to from the tag.  So I don't understand why it would be deleted.  The tags are there to help prevent edit wars which I think would be the more harmful alternative at this time.  --JGGardiner 08:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Volpe led a Parliamentary Health Committee investigation of DiBella's "research" in Italy, and continued defending him even after it was obvious that the "magic exilir" had no curative qualities.  His views wouldn't be significant under normal circumstances, but the official nature of his trip makes them so.  In my view, at least.  Others may disagree.  CJCurrie 02:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting NPOV notices

message: :A website called "Youth for Volpe" was later created to parody these events.refDaniel LeBlanc, "Volpe seeks tighter restrictions on donations", Globe and Mail, 4 July 2006, A4.  
 /ref
I think that CJCurrie would agree with this, but will wait for both of you to comment before changing the article. Ground Zero | t 05:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the Globe article is no longer accessible. Also, a long time ago, that was your idea to have the explanation in the footnote. GoldDragon 05:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My proposal 

message: The article says that Steve MacKinnon was the Liberal president but I recall that Sen. Poulin took over from Michael Eizenga (who was rumored to be a candidate in that London by-election).  Was Mackinnon not involved or not president?  Hopefully not both.  =)  --JGGardiner 00:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind.  I just followed the source.  He was "national director" which I believe is just a staff position.  --JGGardiner 00:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberal Party President

message: Please give me some time to review the matter, and perhaps we can finally agree on an acceptable compromise.  CJCurrie 22:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop this.  The article already explains the Career Foundation situation in sufficient detail.  There's really no need to keep this nonsense going.  CJCurrie 02:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to GoldDragon

message: I haven't followed this debate closely becuase, let's face it, Volpe has been or will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. I don't see why so much effort is being expended on such a marginal character. I am disappointed that Goild Dragon has decided to re-open the debate that had been settled long ago. With respect to the Foundation issue, I still believe that it was one Star article with allegations that were never confirmed and the Star chose to drop the issue. It would be inappropriate for this article to dwell on this issue for any length of time. GD, please drop it and allow yourself and CJC and me to focus on other, more important things. With respect to what his relatives did in Italy sixty-five years ago, that's interesting, but not relevant for an article about Volpe himself. He didn't fight the fascists (this happened five years before he was born), other people did. Ground Zero | t 14:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weighing in

message: I think this article may be soon (after the content issues are done) due for a GA-class assessment, though there are maybe a few elements to fix.--JForget  19:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA? class

message: I attempted to change the post-nominal letters in Volpe's infobox from QPC to PC and had the edit reverted by 117Avenue.  I won't try to make the edit again, but would advise a more experienced Wikipedia editor to do so.  While QPC does refer to the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, the post-nominal letters assigned to Privy Councillors is strictly PC, not QPC.  The reason for revision was not explaining my change (admittedly my bad, but my correction was not only in good faith, it was correcting an inaccuracy) and that PC can be confused for progressive conservative, which may be true, but as I've stated, the post-nominal is PC, not QPC, despite whatever confusion two things having the initialism PC may create.  A similar situation exists on the Michael Ignatieff page, but I'm not going to bother with that today. 70.51.227.24 (talk) 20:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: With no objections, I've logged in and am making the change. --Jermdeeks (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  QPC versus PC 

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