Talk:Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats

message: These are not made with marshmallow filling, so do not belong here.  Or rename the article, but since that didn't fly and doesn't make sense anyway (or we'd end up with "confections"...)  I came to the article via the Mohrenkopf redirect, and was suprized that they seemed to be made with marshmallow.  I've eaten quite a few in my life, and I've eaten marshmallows, and they seemed to be totally different.  And turns out I was right, and the article is misleading.  --jae (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split out "Mohrenkopf" et al 

message: These are also popular in Argentina and Uruguay, and are known as "Ricarditos". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.204.90 (talk) 05:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found only one entry "Ricardito es ricardiquísimo" when Googling it. - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 11:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  South America 

message: I added the bit about the winter in the first line. It's a big part of this dessert's popularity, that it's only available for a limited time each year. I also don't think the word "confection" is too appropriate - why not just say "dessert"? - but whatever. —This unsigned comment was added by 128.139.226.34 (talk • contribs) . — Preceding undated comment added 16:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  winter

message: I don't think that the line about the krembo in the winter is nessisary, it is already mentioned lower down! —This unsigned comment was added by 217.132.243.6 (talk • contribs) . — Preceding undated comment added 23:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  first line 

message: As far as I know, all mass-produced krembos are made with cemacao (צמקאו), not real chocolate. Timtzeptel 20:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nu, we'll see soon, won't we?  I'm normally a Kinder Surprise kind of guy (nothing's better after a hard night out), but I'll give a krembo a shot. --Mgreenbe 01:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chocolate? 

message: the phrase "The average Krembo weighs 25 grams (0.882 ounces) and has 115 calories." has been repeatedly inserted into the Krembos in Israel section, even after it is in the introduction.  Is there a reason that it should be repeated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon513 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, of course not. I'm glad you removed the duplication. Owen× ☎ 15:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  So am I, and so am I. – AndyFielding (talk) 08:16, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  redundent information 

message: I am not sure that that the section "Krembo in popular culture" is apropiate in an encylopidia.  see Wikipedia:Trivia Jon513 12:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's neither a guideline nor policy, so it's not binding.  I don't think it hurts — it's cute and gives an idea of its role in Israeli culture. --Mgreenbe 12:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia 

message: The Dutch name isn't Buys Zoenen, it's Zoenen. "Buys" is the brand name of one of the companies distributing the Krembos. MrTroy 19:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch name

message: I have removed to following:
:The snacks are sometimes served as a dessert by Haredi Jews on the pretext that it provides an excuse to discuss its complex status in halacha of blessings made over food.
because it is unverifiable.  There never was, and I doubt there ever will be, a study of what deserts Haredi Jews served and why.  Granted they do have a complex status in halacha (see the hebrew article for a lengthy discussion), and an explanation of the status would be welcome. This tidbit of information cannot remain on wikipedia because there is no way for others to confirm wheather or not it is true. (I also doubt that it is true - most poskim advise people to avoid eating foods with indeterminate brachot.)  Jon513 07:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. All this is new to me and I find it quite interesting, as trivia goes. I would have assumed it's simply "boreh miney mezonot", not that I know much about these things. I'll go read up in the Hebrew and maybe add a more verifiable paragraphs, stating not why it is or isn't served by Haredi Jews, but merely the fact that it has a complex status. --woggly 11:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I've now read the Hebrew. This is the essence of what makes trivia fun. Taking an ephermal, insignificant pop-culture artefact like a Krembo - lightweight in every sense of the word - and treating it with utter gravitas, asking philosophical questions such as what is the most important component to give thanks for - you've gotta love it. (To prevent misunderstandings let me clarify that I'm poking fun at Krembos, not at Kashrut). --woggly 11:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed line 

message: if u read this you get the impression its an israeli sweet. it was invented in denmark, known in other parts of the world longer than in israel. so why is the emphasize  seemingly on israel--Tresckow 03:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started working on this article in december 2005 and added information from a hebrew article "10 things you don't know about krembos".  I have never seem krembos outside of israel, but the article already said that there were so I left it.  I would love to see sources about krembos outside of israel, but until there are I don't see how the section can be expanded.  Jon513 12:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it is a very wellknown in Germany produced by several companies and often by bakeries. It also has some cultural impact as the former eastern germany uses a different form--Tresckow 09:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to expand it, please go ahead.  Sources would be nice, but don't let that stop you. Jon513 12:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the lack of a generic name a problematic reason for maintaining separate articles if the product is essentially the same?  After all, we can easily create as many redirects as there are brand names.  Couldn't we call the article Chocolate-covered marshmallow wafer or similar? --Twid 16:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  @woggly thats not the point. If you would just start an article about twix under the hebrew name for it , wouldnt that be senseless??? It is a sweet in Israel, I don´t doubt it. But as this is the English Wikipedia this article should stand under the correct English designation.Whatever this is. The national chapters would, of course be preserved.--Tresckow 02:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: English speakers in israel call a krembo a krembo.  There is not english word for it. Jon513 13:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Twix is a brand name just like Krembo is. Therefore in Hebrew Twix is called Twix, and in English Krembo is called Krembo. Just like how the brand name Levi's is called Levi's in Hebrew, and like how Madonna is called Madonna. You also have a seperate article for CNN and NBC, even though they're both TV channels. If anything, this article should show more focus on Krembo and less on worldwide variants of it (regardless of which one came first), because the article is about Krembo and not about Negerinnentet. 89.0.238.46 23:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Krembo is not a brand name; it is a hebrew word of a type of candy.  While the name was invented by the whitman company (which was bought by Strauss-Elite) it is used by all Krembo producers in Israel. Jon513 21:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, Creambo is a brand name. That is why Feldman Ice Creams in Israel has to call their product Manbo. NYC2TLV 16:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The image in the section isn't a krembo, it looks like it was added by user TheYmode with a wrong description (diff). - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 11:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually is a picture from a Swiss product, said the autor of the image. - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 19:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  emphasize on israel? 

message: I'm wondering whether the Tunnock's teacake (common in Scotland) is similar enough to be described in this article, or whether it should get its own. --Twid 18:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: what is the teacake like? Kembos are not a cake by any definition.  It is a marshmallow covered cracker surrounded by chocolate. Jon513 17:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tunnock's Teacake

message: I work for the importer of Creambo to the United States, Dairy Delight. Strauss Ice Cream sends the Creambos over here with English labels and קרמבו is translated/written Creambo, like Cream. Does anyone agree on switching the name of the article? - NYC2TLV (talk • contribs) 02:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Twid added Creambo as a redirect to here. That should be good enough, I think. Owen× ☎ 15:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is silly because the article should use the correct spelling as defined by the company in Israel and not the phoentic spelling as defined by users. NYC2TLV 20:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krembo Spelling 

message: Is the American mallomars similar enough to be incorporated into this article? --Twid 12:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mallomars

message: Where does this article title come from? Is there any official designation of these things as "Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats"? or has someone arbitrarily started the article in this title? TheHYPO 13:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it because this is a more accurate description. They are not "wafers" and they are a cross between a cookie and a candy. All the articles I've read on Krembos, Mallomars, etc. state that there is no "official" name for them. --Gilabrand 13:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the treat have to include a cookie or wafer to be included? What about Valomilk? Thebookpolice (talk) 15:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats? 

message: I'm from Darmstadt, here the term "Mohrenkopf" is -- in the colloquial -- much more common than the formal "Schokokuss", but the article states, "Mohrenkopf" is just used in Switzerland. --79.199.127.60 (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article mentions differences between formal and regional language in Germany... They were first only known under the names Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"). I tried to update the Schokokuss section to make this more clear. - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I missed the fact that this is mentioned further down in the article, the order of appearance is thus misleading and should be changed, IMHO. To solve the problem: Shouldn't the varieties with egg white rather get their own article, e.g. Chocolate-coated egg white treats? BNutzer (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely there is some similarity between the marshmallow and the egg-white variants.  Would a better name be chocolate-coated foam treats? --Twid (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schokokuss/Mohrenkopf 

message: They're made of a beaten egg white/sugar mixture (like Tunnock's teacake), which is different from marshmallow mass which is made with gelatine, if I read the article right. See :de:Schokokuss. BNutzer (talk) 13:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I missed the fact that this is mentioned further down in the article, the order of appearance is thus misleading and should be changed, IMHO. To solve the problem: Shouldn't the varieties with egg white rather get their own article, e.g. Chocolate-coated egg white treats? BNutzer (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely there is some similarity between the marshmallow and the egg-white variants.  Would a better name be chocolate-coated foam treats? --Twid (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schokokuss is not made of marshmallow 

message: The term marshmallow must be removed from the title because several of the described food items are not made with marshmallow, even tough the "fluff" is similar. However, neither the consistency, aroma, taste or even nutritional values are consistent with marshmallow.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novaice (talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the thingies without marshmallow should get an own article - like Chocolate-coated meringue treats or something — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.193.127.77 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 09:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: It's been nine years now, and none of this has happened? What's going on?? 😱 – — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyFielding (talk • contribs) 08:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove MARSHMALLOW from title 

message: I'm not doing anything official yet because I thought I'd see what the general opinion here was first. It looks like an agreement couldn't be reached before, but I want to propose a comppromise. The word 'treat is an Americanism. I think that's where some of the dispute came from. How about renaming the article 'Chocolate-coated marshmallow confection'. 'Confection' is the term being used on the artcle for sweets (En-UK) / candy (En-US) and other types of confection. Novaice also makes a good point in the section above, but that's a seperate dispute. So in a nutshell, I think that the word 'treats' should be changed to 'confection' as a compromise for now until a more suitable title can be agreed upon. Zestos (talk) 02:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the suggested change to 'Chocolate-coated marshmallow confection'; I am surprised that it didn't carry the day earlier. I was intrigued to learn that Brits differ from the narrow American understanding of 'treat' as something edible, with the broader interpretation of a special, enjoyable activity considered to be rather archaic. [My dog could confirm that by "treat!" I mean that a biscuit will be offered, and not that his fondest wish for a muddy lake excursion will be fulfilled.] However, 'tea cake' or 'teacake' won't do either, as 1) it is a term rarely used in American English, 2) when used, it usually refers to something completely different (i.e., some sort of sweet loaf served in slices, generally synonymous - at least in the American culinary vernacular - with 'tea bread'), and 3) some of the described treats - er, confections - including the Mohrenköpfe, cannot be classified as cakes, cookies, or biscuits. Oh, and omitting 'marshmallow' from the title would defy logic, at least from my perspective on this side of the pond. 24.128.188.152 (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Chocolate marshmallow puff"? Shorter, more descriptive and not culture-bound.--Geewhiz (talk) 05:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I think treat may be something of a marketing term and too informal, so I would be fine with changing it to confection. But I don't really care what the title is, and think the difficulty in coming up with a title is itself interesting, since the concept is so obviously widespread. (The version I'm most familiar with is Nabisco Pinwheels, which are not even mentioned.) Richard K. Carson (talk) 05:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the article ought to be renamed to Chocolate-coated white fluffy confections to satisfy all the comments above.  There simply is no simple term that covers both marshmallow and fluffed egg white, but the resulting confections are so similar that I don't think that's a good reason for splitting the article into one for marshmallow-based products and another one for eggwhite-based ones. --Twid (talk) 14:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Chocolate-coated meringue-based confections" would be the most accurate title for the majority of products mentioned in the current article. 109.150.91.0 (talk) 19:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move #2 

message: :In Finland, the name originated from Germany, and they were named "Negro Kisses" in 1951. In 2001, their name was changed to "Brunberg's Kisses", after the manufacturer, for largely the same reasons as in Denmark.
The article never mentions the reasons for the name change in Denmark, or the name change in Denmark at all, for that matter. JIP | Talk 09:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Neekerinsuukot" name change 

message: The "Whippets" section has the statement
"Whippets can be produced throughout the year because Montreal and its surrounding areas have a lower average temperature than New York."
which is dubious reasoning. Montreal may well be colder than New York, but it’s unlikely that’s the reason why Canadians can find these things in summer and New Yorkers can’t.  This article (already cited in the "Mallomar" section) suggests the whole Mallomar season idea is just marketing hype, and there’s no particular reason why they can’t be produced and sold throughout the year. So unless someone has a good reason for it to stay, I propose removing it; I can't se any reason why we should be perpetuating a marketing myth. Swanny18 (talk) 19:55, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whippets; dubious reasoning 

message: Given the discussions above, would there be consensus for changing the name of this article to either Chocolate-coated white fluffy confections or Chocolate-coated foam confections? --Twid (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. They are not white and not foamy. They are smooth, brown mounds of chocolate coated fluff.--Geewhiz (talk) 14:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, Chocolate-coated fluff confections? --Twid (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change

message: I'm german myself and "Mohrenkopf" is actually rather outdated. Most people these days call them "Schokokuß" (Schoko is short for Schokolade = Chocolate, Kuß = kiss). You might find some older people talking of a "Mohrenkopf" or "Negerkuss" (nigga's kiss), but usually people call them Schokokuss now. Definitely not terms used by people  who sell them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.33.42.125 (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohrenkopf 

message: :A graham cracker circle is covered with a puff of extruded marshmallow, then enrobed in dark chocolate, which forms a hard shell.
Is the word "hard' correct here?  They basically melt in your mouth, so I wouldn't use the word "hard".  Any ideas? Viriditas (talk) 06:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a few days with no response.  I've removed "hard" and changed it to "enrobed in a light shell of dark chocolate", which is exactly correct.  In the US at least, a "hard" shell of chocolate implies that some effort is needed to bite into the treat, however, that is not the case with Mallomars. Viriditas (talk) 02:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

text: More accurately, I've now changed it to  "enrobed in a thin shell of dark chocolate". Viriditas (talk) 02:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mallomars 

message: I feel like there should be mention of Nabisco's "Pinwheel" brand cookies (and similar products), but I'm not sure if it merits its own section, or should be parlayed into another section.
I'm not very experienced with researching and providing to Wikipedia, but if given the go-ahead I may make an attempt.
Naore (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinwheels 

message: those Chocolate-coated NON-marshmallow treats do not belong on Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.172.96.141 (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats without marshmallow? 

message: I propose a merge from Krembo to this article's section on [[[Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats#Krembo|Krembo]]. Basically it is the same candy and other national variety has a seperate article. A merge would also make it possible to connect the Wikidata sitelinks of Q11265516 with Q1578239. Due to this, a Dutch reader who reads the :nl:Negerzoen will not see in the sitelinks that it is called "Krembo" in Israel and vice versa. Also, as someone mentioned earlier "Krembo is not a brand name; it is a hebrew word of a type of candy", just like all other national varieties. Both section also share mostly similar information. Kind regards, Timelezz (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , Timelezz (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Krembo]] to [[Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats#Krembo]] 

message: Why are U.S. Moon Pies not listed here? They are pretty much identical to U.K. Wagon Wheels, as far as I know, which I'm also not sure I see listed. Marshmallow filling between 2 cookies/biscuits, covered in chocolate. Moon Pies do also come in non-chocolate flavors (I like the vanilla;  the banana is just okay). They definitely meet the definition, and may be one of the most well-known examples in the U.S.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angilong (talk • contribs) 19:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon Pies? 

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message: I’m placing a citation needed note on the paragraph around Anglo Quebecers referring to Whippets as “nun’s farts”. Anecdotally I’ve asked fellow Anglo Quebec colleagues, as well as a friend to post on a more broadly read blog. This does not seem to be a common nickname.  One of Many Tims (talk) 14:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nun’s farts 

message: Are Dutch language sources ok? I can find a few proper newspaper articles about them and their name, though I wonder why someone put a citation needed tag on it in the first place. Generally you don't need a citation to justify a translation from one language to the other. 
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/het-is-over-en-uit-met-de-negerzoen~b732eb35/ 
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2005/11/19/mogen-negerzoenen-zwarte-piet-mag-ook-al-niet-11045042-a926987 
https://www.trouw.nl/cultuur-media/moorkoppen-negerzoenen-afrikaantjes-gaat-na-de-canon-ook-het-woordenboek-op-de-schop~b39152fb/  
Please add whichever newspaper source is the most fitting or remove the citation needed tag. Mijzelffan (talk) 23:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of citation is needed for the negerzoen? 

message: I see that in the discussion that someone merged this article and Krembo before, but there still is the Krembo article. I think it should be merged completely. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 17:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: may I remove the merge tags? No one seems interested. I personally think that the entire Krembo article would make a lengthy section, and I assume you have made as much effort as you can towards merging it. --(Roundish ⋆t) 01:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah you can remove it. To be honest I only put up the template and didn't make an effort myself to merge it. Maybe I should? --QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 03:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, it's honestly pretty merged as it is. There's like a solid 50-60% of the Krembo article already, and the whole article would really overstuff such a simple section. If anything, copy some of the section back into the article, there's actually some sources not even in the article. (Roundish ⋆t) 11:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: marshmallow covered with chocolate is the best snack! ( without a layer of a cookie ) but Cadbury's marshmallow coated eggs are the best and don't see them here SithembileK (talk) 05:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chocolate coated marshmallow treats? 

message: For about a decade starting around 1962 Nabisco sold a cookie very similar to Mallomars called Minarets. Were they the same? Were they both offered at the same time? From an earlier time, when anything connected to Mohammedanism was naively seen as simply a pictureque facet of Near Easrtern culture. 96.237.184.133 (talk) 19:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minarets