Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Protected areas of India/Archive 1

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This project is launched to make articles related to Protected areas of India an Featured. Pls. join this project. Amartyabag  (Talk)  10:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

message: Since there are only 4 of us at present, we should probably have a collaboration of the month - and informally or formally decide on one topic from the candidates. ray 22:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As per ray's comments in the talk page for Collaboration of the Month. Let us select any well known NP which is stub and can expand it. I would suggest to go for Kaziranga National Park which is stub but is well known. Amartyabag  (Talk)  10:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I would second Kaziranga. Let us have it as the collaboration of the month for February. What do the others think ? As for the remaining days of January, lets clean up the Indian PA category entries. They are in a mess. ray 16:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, let's have Kaziranga as the collaborative effort for February, 2007. Hope some of you guys have good resources so that the article can be improved :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, I think this is a consensus. I have also destubbed or created most of the blanket articles, and some additional ones on Forest Department terms we may need. Category sorting is left, as are issues of userboxes, user categories, logos, and stub templates. If we can get these done by Jan 31, we can start off the Wikiproject properly in Feb. By the way, I am now going to vanish for some time and resurface a few days later. ray 01:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration style and topics

message: *Use of Hindi in PAs: I think there is no justification of using Hindi in all PAs except in the areas where hindi is the popular local language. If we continue following this norm then all Wikipedia article related to India should have hindi name, which I think is highly debatable. Remove the use of hindi language policy. I am strictly not against any language.
:Agreed. Having Hindi everywhere might not serve much purpose, I will change the Hindi part in the directives ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Solved as steps taken by ray. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm . The standard have a global PA infobox, which looks sufficient. Only a few countries have their own PA infobox, typically due to additional info which cant be accomodated by the original infobox (like website url for australia). A user category would definitely help, though ! ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean Userbox and user category for this Wikiproject. Amartyabag  (Talk)  11:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Created Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, definitely these need to be done. Amartya can you do it? I am a bit short of time these days. ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Created Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Good idea. ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Created Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some suggestions for improvement

message: Reasons for working on this topic are:
* Concern about recent human intrusion into this wilderness area, especially illegal forest clearing and agricultural cultivation. 
* Concern about the resulting reduction or extinction of the high proportion of endemic species of flora and fauna in these unique South Western Ghats montane rain forests.    
* Concern about degradation of the culture and habitat of the native nomadic Palayan tribes people who have lived in the caves of this area for millenniums.
* To stimulate awareness and action to reverse the above intrusion and degradation, including stepped up enforcement of existing Environmental policy of the Government of India. Marcus334 19:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulterior Motives

message: *  “Legislations on Environment, Forests, and Wildlife” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
'''
* “India’s Forest Conservation Legislaton: Acts, Rules, Guidelines”, from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
* Wildlife Legislations, including - “The Indian Wildlife (Protection) Act” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
* Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
*  The Wildlife Protection Act, 1972 (Non Government)
Atulsnischal 07:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Legislation''' from Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests

message: * Invitation for Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India
Thanks. Would you be interested in the newly formed Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India ?
Cheers. ray 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Best wishes for this Project and thankyou all for your efforts from Atul

message: Zoos in India dont have websites of their own yet, but this is a great example that stands out:
* NandanKanan, Orissa, India 
* Official Website of: "Nandankanan Zoological Park", Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India
Located in: Chandaka forest ???
Atulsnischal 03:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Website of an '''Indian Zoo'''

message: *If we reach concensus on User box, Message box and Info box should they be in Wikipedia:WikiProject India Tools or add (section)==Tools== on Project page?---Marcus 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is made with default Wiki templates on Userbox. I think there is no reason to resize. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAI Tool Box: Concensus needed 

message: You can also add the  user box to your userpage.  Inclusion of the userbox will automatically add you to the user category.
:The template is made with default Wiki templates on Userbox. I think there is no reason to resize. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User box

message: Template:WikiProject Protected areas of India similiar to:
#It needs group consensus and editing by a WikiBoxGuru--Marcus 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Message box

message: This is an additional forum which has many Wikipedia supporters who may not be very WikiSavvy.
All are welcome to: group:|Wikipedians for Indian Naturefor discussions leading to article improvement on Wikipedia in the area of Nature in India. Shyamal 07:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Email group- Wikipedians for Indian Nature

message: * Hindi Wikipedia
* Article on Eurasian lynx from HINDI Wikipedia
Atulsnischal 07:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infantile '''"[[Hindi]]"''' Wikipedia

message: * Wikipedia talk: "Notice board for India-related topics"
Please make use of this notice board if needed (Link also included in our Taxbok).
Atulsnischal 16:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''[[WT:INB]]'''

message: For Common Indian Monitor scientific page, somebody is threating to take the para out
===Historical anecdote===
Shivaji's general Tanaji Malusare used Shivaji’s famous pet monitor lizard which is locally known as ghorpad named "Yeshwanti" with a rope tied around its waist for climbing up the walls of the Sinhagad fort from it’s steepest and the least guarded side in the dead of a moonless night during the Battle of Sinhagad. Once he had scaled up himself after the giant lizard, up the sheer steep cliff unnoticed, he threw down rope ladders for others to climb. This Common Indian Monitor (Varanus bengalensis)  found locally in present day Maharashtra is the species of Monitor Lizard said to have been used which is also known as ghorpad in Marathi. 
Ghorpads are famous for their ability to cling to smooth surfaces, and were traditionally trained for this purpose by herders in the area. 
Thanks
Atulsnischal 22:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a fine piece of historic anecdote, the only problem is that it is without references from a valid reliable source. Atul provided only two references, one was to a music site article; the other being from indbazaar.com. None of these are reliable sources at all. I've requested Atul to provide a reliable source such as books from historians, but am yet to see that. There is actually no problem in having this anecdote, but we need to be careful to stuff an encylopedia with facts that are supported (so far) only by a music site article. If this is a historic fact, there must be some historic references to it. Provide that and move along, that's the wikipedia policy. Thanks. --Ragib 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Huh? Where does "maratha vs Mughal" even come into the picture!!! You add a tidbit to an article, when asked for references provide a google cache link to a music site, and now making even more misleading claims about what I stated!! Why don't you just provide a reference for the information, from a reliable source (which is not from a google cache of a music site). Verifiability is Wikipedia's basic principle, and instead of finding hidden motives, why don't you just dig up a usable reference? Waiting for that. (I frankly don't care whatever the myth is about, but it needs to be verifiable. Thanks. --Ragib 00:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please continue discussion on Talk:Bengal monitor. Shyamal 02:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please help with reference for important historical fact taught in Indian School History books (when you have some time)

message: Shivaji's general Tanaji Malusare used Shivaji’s famous pet monitor lizard which is locally known as ghorpad named "Yeshwanti" with a rope tied around its waist for climbing up the walls of the Sinhagad fort from it’s steepest and the least guarded side in the dead of a moonless night during the Battle of Sinhagad. Once he had scaled up himself after the giant lizard, up the sheer steep cliff unnoticed, he threw down rope ladders for others to climb. This Common Indian Monitor (Varanus bengalensis)  found locally in present day Maharashtra is the species of Monitor Lizard said to have been used which is also known as ghorpad in Marathi. 
Ghorpads are famous for their ability to cling to smooth surfaces, and were traditionally trained for this purpose by herders in the area. 
Thanks
Atulsnischal 22:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a fine piece of historic anecdote, the only problem is that it is without references from a valid reliable source. Atul provided only two references, one was to a music site article; the other being from indbazaar.com. None of these are reliable sources at all. I've requested Atul to provide a reliable source such as books from historians, but am yet to see that. There is actually no problem in having this anecdote, but we need to be careful to stuff an encylopedia with facts that are supported (so far) only by a music site article. If this is a historic fact, there must be some historic references to it. Provide that and move along, that's the wikipedia policy. Thanks. --Ragib 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Huh? Where does "maratha vs Mughal" even come into the picture!!! You add a tidbit to an article, when asked for references provide a google cache link to a music site, and now making even more misleading claims about what I stated!! Why don't you just provide a reference for the information, from a reliable source (which is not from a google cache of a music site). Verifiability is Wikipedia's basic principle, and instead of finding hidden motives, why don't you just dig up a usable reference? Waiting for that. (I frankly don't care whatever the myth is about, but it needs to be verifiable. Thanks. --Ragib 00:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please continue discussion on Talk:Bengal monitor. Shyamal 02:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical anecdote

message: Dear Atulnischal, I'm not sure what grand plan you have in mind, but copying the section on Flora and Fauna from the India page and pasting it to create a new article and then referencing it on the India page itself requires some explanation. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Your ([[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]]) article [[Wildlife of India]]

message: Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.
Thanks
Atulsnischal 17:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wildlife of India]]

message: I have added a dashboard to the project page. It really helps with collaboration in the India project. Hope it helps here too. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration dashboard 

message: === Suggestion ===
Hi Atul, The nathistory-india page may be revived. It would perhaps not have gone to afd if you spent some time on writing carefully. Would suggest that some time is spent on reading and studying the structure of featured articles. You will note for instance that the captions on most of these articles are short and precise. The body text should also be in the encyclopaedic style. Advocacy is not to be included (for instance a statement like "We should save this species" would almost invite an afd to your doorstep). Cite the best references, place material in context and do not add too many or irrelevant external links or see alsos. That should take you a long way. cheers. Shyamal 01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]]

message: Hi Atul, The nathistory-india page may be revived. It would perhaps not have gone to afd if you spent some time on writing carefully. Would suggest that some time is spent on reading and studying the structure of featured articles. You will note for instance that the captions on most of these articles are short and precise. The body text should also be in the encyclopaedic style. Advocacy is not to be included (for instance a statement like "We should save this species" would almost invite an afd to your doorstep). Cite the best references, place material in context and do not add too many or irrelevant external links or see alsos. That should take you a long way. cheers. Shyamal 01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: * Wikipedia:Deletion review
Atulsnischal 04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: This article needs to be deleted. Its worthless having such an article. It is even shameful to be called as a stub. I think if the PA of India workgroup can do something about this page. Thanks Sushant gupta 07:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a good stub and should never be deleted as it contains vital datas. Many articles on  Wikipedia are mere stub and stub is not a criteria for deletion. If there is any other problem with the page like copyright violation, it can be deleted. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 07:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The following article has been improved by User:Nichalp. Before that it was in pethitic state. Check out the history of the page. But yes I agree that before comenting I should have tried to improved it. Sushant gupta 15:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Koyna Wildlife Sanctuary]] 

message: This Conservation and India & South Asia related Wikipedia Article had been nominated for deletion as some felt this Natural History of South Asia mailing list / "Natural History Network" is not notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia, to the contrary Wikipedia did not find any reason to delete this article and Restored it. For those interested and for a general record, provided here are the links to the deletion debates which this article passed:
* Relisted after first Deletion Review for Second time as AFD, Second detailed AFD Debate result was that the Article indeed merits a place on Wikipedia. "Step - 3 of Deletion Review."
* First Deletion Review after first AFD debate decided to delete, Please click on "SHOW" against the article name to see the full deletion review debate. "Step - 2 of Deletion Review."
* First time around at AFD (Articles for Deletion). "Step - 1 of Deletion Review."
Thanks Atulsnischal 06:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Natural History of South Asia mailing list]], this Wikipedia Article passed the DELETION DEBATE

message: Click for information on animals, 27 Oct, 2004 TIMES NEWS NETWORK
National chemical laboratory's Centre for Biodiversity Informatics, NCBI's IndFauna Website, A Work in Progress currently, also click on "An Appeal" under: IndFauna (Search IndFauna)
Atulsnischal 11:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Noticed this in the News

message: These are stub class I started, kindly improve when you have time, also enter in all related lists etc. 
* Eaglenest Wildlife Sanctuary 
* Kawal wildlife sanctuary
Thanks Atulsnischal 09:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kindly Expand (Stub class)

message: Hi! I created a template for World Heritage Sites: . Since many protected areas tend to overlap with World Heritage-designated places, will it be possible to re-format the template in the same way as the Level 1, 2, 3... style? In that way, we can prevent too many infoboxes showing repetitive infos. In terms of its relationship with the IUCN protected areas, I found a link: http://whc.unesco.org/cairns/iucn-priorities.pdf (refer to page 15 of this publication/page 17 of the pdf file). Hope you can help in improving the template and making it more relevant to readers. Thanks. Joey80 13:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Heritage template 

message: User:Saravask:
Excellent work on Climate of India!  I see it is a Selected article candidate. Should be a Featured article as well.
I have been working on Silent Valley National Park and Palani Hills National Park but hit a wall when I get to Climate sections. Real data for those places seems unavailable.
The closest reference source I've found is:
Shea, D.J., and N.A. Sontakke, 1995: The Annual Cycle of Precipitation over the Indian Subcontinent: Daily, Monthly and Seasonal Statistics. TN-401+IA, National Center for Atmospheric Research, 168 pp.
But now how to get it and then what to do with it? Even if I had the data, I'm graphics challenged.
What I ideally want for those articles is just like the Bar graph for Madras
Can you make these graphs and rewrite the climate sections of these articles or even refer this request to some Wiki weather graphics guru who can/will?
Thank You for any help.-Marcus 07:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need help on Kodaikanal and Silent Valley annual temp/precip bar graph

message: * ECOZONES OF INDIA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atulsnischal (talk • contribs) 19:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ECOZONES OF INDIA

message: If anyone cares here is a new template:  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 11:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: INdian wildlife

message: To be honest I am quite disappointed you haven't even made oan attmept to expand e.g Wildlife of Pakistan you created months ago there is a mass of info!!!  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 15:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wildlife of.....(Country) Articles

message: An updated source of the PA list is the National Wildlife Database Cell, WILDLIFE INSTITUTE OF INDIA DEHRADUN, (position as on April 23, 2007), retrieved 7/25/2007 LIST OF PROTECTED AREAS. This may lead to some modification of List of protected areas in India and associated lists and PAs which I can not do.-Marcus 10:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated PA list

message: How to Search for (1) "Latest" and (2) "Archived" ""NEWS & FEATURE ARTICLES" on "Schools / anything" from top newspapers and magazines, also as well how to search for relevant Blog Postings many of which contain local "Print News Articles" not available online - EXAMPLE Mayo College
As we all know in addition to referring to the main official website if we can research as many news and feature articles from top newspapers and magazines on each subject (article on wikipedia) and highlight top points in our own words or by "quoting" by properly referencing all such research, it improves the wikipedia article many folds and makes it much more credible along with providing many excellent independent unbiased reference links to readers. 
* In the following "News Search pages" you could search by trying different keywords for the same subject, and also change the subject to any other you are currently working on. Please be beware many of the search results will not be relevant. Please also note at the bottom or in the left margin of each "search result page" you will see links to additional related "search and alert services" being offered by these companies (Yahoo, Google etc.), all for free. Also note current news searches for current times may come up blank if there has been no current news or feature article written in the last few months, look in Google News ARCHIVES in that case: 
1) "Google News Search" for Mayo College: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22&btnG=Search
2) "Google ARCHIVES News Search" ,including news from last year and before, has a further links in the left margin to break up archived news by year and by publication), for news on Mayo College: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22
3) "Google "Blog Postings" search for Mayo College: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=news&q=%22Mayo+College%22&ie=UTF8
4) "Yahoo News Search" for news on Mayo College: http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search;_ylt=A0WTTks7YtxGMgcB1xWy87UF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&p=%22Mayo+College%22
* In addition to above you can also make "As-It-Happens News Alerts" for articles that interest you and you will like to work on and want to keep abreast with. The news alert service provided by Google and Yahoo sends you latest news as it happens to your email inbox:
1) Set up Google News Alert at: http://www.google.com/alerts
2) Set up Yahoo News Alert at (for this you will have to sign in with your Yahoo Email ID first): http://alerts.yahoo.com/main.php?view=create_news_step1
I learnt about the above services in the last year while looking for news on Asiatic Lion and Asiatic Cheetah two subjects that interest me.
Hope this information will be useful to all, thanks
Atulsnischal 04:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may want to look at www.webcitation.org to archive permanent versions of articles that will be removed from free online public viewing after they've been available for a certain time period. --Hebisddave 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Searching for sources''' 

message: -Marcus 20:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: South India PA photographs

message: Please create a separate article for: 
The actual common full name for it is "Wild Asian Water Buffalo", it is endangered (and it is little known outside wildlife circles), see IUCN Red List, while Domestic Asian Water Buffalo selectively bred for thousands of years is very famous and numbers in millions and has various livestock breeds. There are many breeds of domestic water buffalo.
===Reference===
*The IUCN Red list of threatened species classifies "Wild Water Buffalo" as "Endangered"
*Animal Info - Wild Asian (Water) Buffalo - Status: Endangered; By: Paul Massicot
Atulsnischal 00:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Separate: 1) "WILD" Asian Water Buffalo from 2) "[[Domestic Asian Water Buffalo]]"

message: *The IUCN Red list of threatened species classifies "Wild Water Buffalo" as "Endangered"
*Animal Info - Wild Asian (Water) Buffalo - Status: Endangered; By: Paul Massicot
Atulsnischal 00:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: Please develop this article whenever you all can find time, Thanks Atulsnischal 00:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wild Asian Water Buffalo]]

message: Added the above category in our checklist, please modify if needed:
*Billy Arjan Singh (article needs to be developed)
*Jim Corbett (Hunter-turned-conservationist and author)
*Kenneth Anderson (Hunter-turned-conservationist and author)
And work needs to be done on many more articles on Naturalists & Conservationists from India I guess.
Atulsnischal 05:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I can help with Jim Corbett. Havelok 20:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Well known Naturalists & Conservationists (Past & present)

message: Greetings,I have completely rewritten the Jim Corbett National Park article. Since I am now beginning to realize that the article has GA potential it would be of help to me if editors took time to weigh the article and voice their opinion on what more needs to be added to it. I'm seeking opinion in this regard here since the article falls under this Wikiproject and would benefit from attention.With Regards,Havelok 20:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Corbett National Park