Talk:List of Virtual Console games for Wii (North America)/Archive 2

message: The page states that titles are sorted "as listed within the Virtual Console section of the Wii Shop Channel," but this is not true. The titles are listed alphabetically in the shop channel, but this page has them sorted by release date. Wouldn't it make more sense to list them alphabetically?Mattu82 19:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote that they are "sorted by system as listed within the Virtual Console section of the Wii Shop Channel"; I listed the systems in the order Nintendo has them.  I'm not sure who started listing them by order of release date or why (I'm assuming it is easier to add them this way), but I do prefer it the way it is now. Ryuzx 20:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Though at some point it should be changed to alphabetical, As the list gets longer.--Ashitaka96 06:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think by date would be more helpfull to people though, makes it easier to see the newest titles, what te first titles were, etc. TJ Spyke 21:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What about listing by both and putting a table of contents at the top?  That way, people can click to go directly to their preferred method of viewing, thereby mitigating the potential problem of the page becoming too large to manage.141.161.111.116 17:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetization vs. Release Date 

message: sonic and mario 64 have them should we mention them.Marioman12 15:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What updates?--Ashitaka96 17:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Unless there can be some confirmation they were updated, than I'd say no. Even then, it seems more fitting to note it on the main Virtual Console page. Eusis 21:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Marioman, unless you are seeing something i'm not, those two are not at the top of new releases in the Wii Shop Channel. TJ Spyke 22:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I checked, they were both underneath the Monday trio. I don't really know why they're suddenly up there when they've been out for quite awhile, since I couldn't find an update option on Mario. Eusis 22:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I was talking on the guide that wii guide on wii shop said there would be updatesMarioman12 16:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: updates

message: What about adding Publisher columns to the lists? At least for the future releases list.--Ashitaka96 20:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically there is no publisher since they are just online. TJ Spyke 22:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, That with there current release there are no publishers, but I meant the original release publishers. Never mind anyway.--Ashitaka96 22:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure of the right word to have used there, but there are companies with the rights to the games that will handle arranging with Nintendo to get it online. I doubt Treasure directly went to Nintendo for Gunstar Heroes, afterall. Publisher may not technically be the correct term, but I think it would be good to put up a column for whatever company deals with Nintendo to get the games put up. Eusis 23:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sega owns Gunstar Heroes, so they did that. Hudson Soft has said they are handling all TurboGrafx-16 games. TJ Spyke 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the future releases section of this artcile I noticed alot of the games when you take a look at the ESRB site aren't under the "Wii" platform but simply under the "Nintendo" platform.
Beetle Adventure Racing/Dr Mario/Super Mario World/SMB3/SMB2Japan... and those are the notable titles.
I feel those titles should not be added until their platform is listed under "Wii", which means ESRB would probably update it or probably not.
That's just my take on things, anyway. --Javyoo7 02:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publishers 

message: Reggie Fils-Aime said in the EGM December 2006 issue he would go to any lengths necessary to sign Goldeneye on for the VC.  Should this be included? 72.24.21.118 03:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did he say that? I'll check my issue of EGM again. Even so, I would say no. It's just him saying he wants it on, this page is for confirmed games. TJ Spyke 03:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct he's said it a couple times.  But that's just saying "I'll work towards this".  Personally I'm hopeful Rare returns to Nintendo at least to release a couple old games on VC as well as Goldeneye (which was is part of the James Bond branch, owned by Activision) but currently it doesn't look worthy of Wiki yet at least not while we are doing stuff like avoiding just listing all the Japanese launches that will obviously appear on the NA Wii.Kinglink 16:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I personally would rather see Rare's Perfect Dark get ported over to the VC. That was one of my favorite games of all time, but I've lost my ability to use the N64 Controller. It was considered to be  a spiritual sequel to GoldenEye, so if they get that, hopefully Perfect Dark would follow. DurinsBane87 17:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Microsoft owns Perfect Dark, so there is ZERO chance of it ever being on the Virtual Console. TJ Spyke 22:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GoldenEye 007 

message: I dont see Starfox64 for Wii's VC listed anywhere on the ESRB site, where did you find it there and could you provide a like please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.233.160.98 (talk • contribs) 
:There isn't, some people seem to think that this website http://www.meanmachinesmag.co.uk/wii/coming_soon.php is a reliable source. I will remove the titles in the N64 upcoming section since none of them have a reliable source. Also, I invite people to double check the other upcoming titles and verify them with the ESRB website or any other reliable websites. Duhman0009 15:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not seeing it on the ESRB site

message: Ok why is that game on the list?It hasn't even been announced for the virtual console! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.156.12.167 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure it was put there as a joke. Duhman0009 20:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superman 64?! 

message: As I've noticed DE coming and going from the list, I'd like to point out that it was indeed released today in North America. It just isn't sorted correctly if you choose the "Latest Additions" option in the Wii Shop (for some odd reason it's on page 3.) Arcanelore 21:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if it will hurt its sales since i'm sure some people will just click on "Latest Additions" and just check the first page. TJ Spyke 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungeon Explorer 

message: People, if the ESRB website simply says Nintendo under the Platform column, then we can't confirm if it's the old N64 versions that has never been named properly or if it's the Wii version for Virtual Console. Until you see Wii under the Platform column on the ESRB website or another good source, then do not add it to the upcoming list. 
Wikipedia is about providing sources, not assumptions. I'm pretty sure that Majora's Mask and Ocarina will come out for the VC, I'd bet $100 on it, but when is the question and until we get a confirmation, I will not list them in the upcoming titles. I will request Editing Lock if this keeps up.
See the difference for yourself and noticed the name of the Platform:
http://i10.tinypic.com/348niop.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/2z8ncdt.jpg
Duhman0009 22:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your wrong about this whole mislabeling business. The titles have been out for quite a few years I think the would have fix it by now, if that was the case. Your the only one who seems to have a problem with this.--Ashitaka96 01:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying that I'm right either, read carefully. The point is that it does not say Wii in the platform column. The rules of Wikipedia state that we must show a reliable source in order to state something like this. Until you can find a source that states that those titles are coming on the Wii's Virtual Console services, they do not belong on that page. Like I said before, keep an eye on the ESRB website, if on or more of these titles change from Nintendo to Wii, you can add them. Duhman0009 03:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or at least until a VC game shows up that says "Ninendo" under systems. TJ Spyke 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you have a source to back that it will be a VC game, sure, no problem. As long as the source is provided, you can post upcoming stuff on Wikipedia, you've been here longer than I have TJ, you should know. Duhman0009 04:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, we do have a source the ESRB website. --Ashiaka96 05:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a problem though. Mario Kart 64 is not listed at the ESRB site (not even the N64 version, which is odd because they do have Super Mario Kart). TJ Spyke 05:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop adding N64 titles to the upcoming list unless you have a source to back it up 

message: Seriously, last night I saw Super Mario Bros. 2, DKC2, and DKC3 on the list, and now they are gone. I can only assume some idiot added it there just for kicks. Please do not post games on this list without a source from Nintendo or another credible website. The Wii is not even two months old. Give it time, I'm sure a vast majority of the entire Nintendo library will eventually make it to the VC.
71.124.6.231 13:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop adding games without a source 

message: I have changed the release date from Unknown to January 2007 based on the following page by IGN:
http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html
Some of these say January 2006, but I assume this is just a mistake. I added a link to it after the Duck Hunt entry as it is the first on the VC list here that has a January 2007 release date. Is that the best place to put it or should I place the link elsewhere such as under references?
PsychicKid1 22:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Admittedly I'm a little skeptical of IGN's release dates, but why was this deleted as "vandalism"?:Arcanelore 04:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was referring to someone who change "Wii Remote" to "Wiimote", not about IGN's fake dates. TJ Spyke 04:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, sorry. Someone else actually just beat you to that bit of cleanup so I got confused. Arcanelore 04:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The burden of proof is on the release date information, not the falsehood thereof. --Cheesemeister3k 15:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2007 releases 

message: Since we seem to be getting a great deal of posts with games that have been announced or made available in other regions but not in North America, would it not behoove us to create a new table for those titles with the understanding that they haven't been confirmed? Or we could put them in the Future Releases table and add a column stating confirmed (with the citation) or unconfirmed. Thoughts? --Cheesemeister3k 15:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Table for Likely Releases?

message: Did Xevious really get release on the North American Virtual Console?  I don't think so (the person who edited it doesn't even registered here, it's just an IP address) I turned on my Wii and looked at the shop channel and Xevious isn't listed.  The page needs to be reverted.  Minker 22:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done. Checked my Wii as well, it wasn't on either page of the NES list. (At least they fixed Dungeon Explorer on the "Newest Additions" list though. Arcanelore 22:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Xevious may not have been released, but it's certainly visible through the Wii Shop Channel web front-end in Firefox. Here's a JPG of the Xevious title screen. Also, here's a JPG of the R-Type III title screen. This tells me they'll both be available very soon. --Cheesemeister3k 02:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: R-Type III next Monday would make my week. Is there any easier way to find these than manually fiddling with the game ID in the url? -Arcanelore 18:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've generated an HTML page that displays the title screen images across a range of possible hex values to be used in the near future. For example, NES games currently appear across a range of 0x41 to 0x53, so I'm looking at 0x41 to 0x5F on all the systems. Games appearing on the Wii Shop Channel server are about as close to fact as you can get short of an official announcement or seeing them released on the Wii itself, certainly more of a confirmation than IGN's list. Since we know there will be 3 Genesis titles on the 22nd, yet we only see these two future titles on the server, their being released on Monday will set an excellent precedent for predicting releases even though Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. --Cheesemeister3k 19:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neat. I might have to give that a try myself. -Arcanelore 19:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to view the catalog of games and I keep getting this message: The URL you requested has been blocked. Could you explain a little more with what exactly you are modifying hex-wise? Part of the URL? I've been editing the URL to find the various games but I cannot locate Xevious. Could you help me out here? - PsychicKid1 23:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use Firefox to follow the instructions listed in this link. IE will not work. All games are represented by a long hex number, e.g. 0001000146415345 for Xevious. The bold digits indicate the system and game hex values, respectively. NES is 0x46, SNES is 0x4A, Genesis is 0x4D, N64 is 0x4E, and TG16 is 0x50. Games range from 0x41 to 0x53 at present. As another example, the code for Bonk is 0001000150414245. Also, TJ Spyke: I listed a source for Xevious; it's as official as can be. --Cheesemeister3k 01:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you very much, Cheesemeister3k! I have made my own .html files with links to several NES and SNES pages. Now I will be able to check if any new pictures are uploaded for future games. Thanks again. -- PsychicKid1 02:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xevious released?  I don't think so 

message: Overhere we're having the same discussion. The reason for keeping it sorted on release date seems to be so people can see which game was released first and which one was release most recently. On the other hand the reason for sorting it alphabetically is that people wishing to find games will find it far easier to do so if they are alphabetical. So, thee seems to be some kind of stalemate. I personally think it should be alphabetised as I will usually be interested in a particular game title and not in a particluar date. Perhaps we should have a poll? Mausy5043 08:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Wikipedia offered some type of table-sorting feature, that'd be ideal. Short of that, hitting Ctrl-F isn't hard. A release date sort makes more logical sense than an alpha sort, IMHO. --Cheesemeister3k 19:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: by release date —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs) 23:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I would prefer to have them in alphabetical order. While the release date order is fine for now, an aphabetical order will be alot easyer in the long run, and the sooner it is done, the easier it will be to change. Mattyatty 12:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? By release date is more organized and informative, people can see what order they were released (which is informative), and people looking for a certain title can just use the search function on their computer. TJ Spyke 00:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Alphabetization vs. Release Date 

message: Using FireFox, there is a way to browse the Virtual Console shop page through a PC. By messing around with the URLs in the shop pages, title screenshots have been discovered of games already released. A few title screenshots have also been found of games not yet released. Xevious on the NES, and R-TYPE III are two specific examples. Although R-TYPE III has already been confirmed to coming to the North American Virtual Console, should these title screenshots be used as proof of a game coming to the Virtual Console?
I say yes, because these screenshots are found on the Nintendo Virtual Console shop page. Although the page cannot be accessed without tweaking Firefox a bit, the screenshots can be found by simply downloading a file and opening it in Firefox or Internet Explorer. Even thought it is simply a screenshot of the title screen, there is no other explanation as to why Nintendo would host it. You can't get much more official than from the source itself.
- PsychicKid1 03:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two other screenshots are available at FFFD0002 and FFFD0003 for all games, FYI. --Cheesemeister3k 04:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: According to Nintendo's press site, Xevious and R-Type III are indeed coming today. (Along with Moto Roader, which hasn't appeared yet on my title screen dump page.) -Arcanelore 13:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's basically a crystal ball. =) --Cheesemeister3k 13:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like we need to add at least 0x30-0x39 to our radar screens; Alien Crush is PA7E. I still haven't found Moto Roader. -Arcanelore 21:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget, hex digits go from 0 to F, so you'll also want 0x3A-0x3F if not also 0x40. --Cheesemeister3k 17:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't forgotten, but so far the codes have fallen in the range of ASCII capital letters (and digits) so that's where I've been focusing. 0x3A-0x40 didn't turn up Moto Roader, nor did the lowercase letter range. -Arcanelore 19:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hex values don't include lower-case letters a-f, so there's no point in checking them. Someone will have to run a packet sniffer while running through the Wii Shop Channel on the system itself to get the value for Moto Roader. Or just try all 256 values 0x00-0xFF. --Cheesemeister3k 20:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, by "lowercase letters" I was referring to 0x61 to 0x7A. Anyway, I've found it; its code is PBEE (50424545).-Arcanelore 22:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, nevermind then. I'm awake. --Cheesemeister3k 23:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past -Arcanelore 22:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, if anyone finds new titles through this method, please add them to the list and link to the source of the picture. It will greatly benefit this page. PsychicKid1 00:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Try popping the URL into an img src tag. Though I don't know if we really need too many people knowing how to do this, as it might constitute a DOS attack on the Wii Shop Channel server. You don't want to sit there waiting for the Wii to get into the site, do you? --Cheesemeister3k 06:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Gain Ground has shown up as well. Again, no surprise as it was one of the Genesis titles that was supposed to have come out today. -Arcanelore 22:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we leave the release dates for SMW and Gain Ground as "Unknown" unless a date is officially announced by Nintendo? I mean I would say there is a 99.9% of both games being released next Monday, due to the pattern we have seen with games and their title screens being uploaded, but since it's just that, a pattern, we can't really verify it with a source. Suggestions? PsychicKid1 22:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Coming Soon" maybe? -Arcanelore 03:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: All previously found stuff through the FireFox hack have been released, so I think we can safely assume that it is next to confirmed for this coming up Monday.Lamename3000 21:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Contra III and Comix Zone have popped up. -Arcanelore 19:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game titles found in Virtual Console Server on PC 

message: Why don't we have a column about multiplayer? It seems like a pretty good idea, just for quick reference or something. --3000zebs-(talk to me) 20:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This information can easily be accessed on the game's individual Wiki pages. I don't think it's necessary. PsychicKid1 22:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add multiplayer to table 

message: I saw a website long ago that stated that Ogre Battle 64 will eventually be availible for download. I'll see if I can dig it up. If I find it, we can add it....Gavyn Sykes 17:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like nothing but hoping and speculation at this time. --Infosocialist 00:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ogre Battle 64 

message: Well, it would seem that the previous announcement of 3 Genesis titles today didn't hold true. Should we roll these and future pre-empted titles back to the best known date, Q1 in this case? --Cheesemeister3k 17:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Thaddius 18:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega games pre-empted 

message: Someone should probably add A Link to the Past to the released Virtual Console games and take it off of the upcoming game list. Also, the three Genesis games in the list that were said to be released today are incorrect, so those probably should be changed. I remember hearing (I think from a Gamespot news update) that they had a January launch, though, and considering VC games are only released Mondays, it should be the 29th of January. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
Shadow31 03:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 22nd update 

message: You may not believe me but a VERY long time ago there was talking about Super Smash Bros for virtual console. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pendo 4 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So? There's no reason it couldn't be since it's a 1st party game. TJ Spyke 03:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Smash Bros. Possibility 

message: I went to the ESRB and to the Hudson site and there's no mention on either as being upcoming VC games.  Is there a confirmation on this somewhere, or is this just an unfounded rumor on either (or both)? Aspect Of Shadows 20:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chew Man Fu is still listed on the ESRB site. The Bonk sequels and Dragon's Curse have been deleted from the site, but they were there eariler. (Same with Super Mario RPG, actually. Supposedly Neutopia and Moto Roader were listed for a few hours a couple of weeks back; Moto Roader actually came out but still hasn't been relisted.) -Arcanelore 19:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok thank you, just trying to keep the page clean. Aspect Of Shadows 20:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chew Man Fu and Dragon's Curse

message: It goes without saying that this talk page is pretty....um...lets say extensive.  Is there a way to consolidate all of these into smaller headers?  I'll be happy to clean it up if no one else wants to. Aspect Of Shadows 20:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Page

message: I just found out that Mario Kart 64 is going to be released next week.I heard it on the NSider forums from NOA Rufus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.101.108 (talk) 21:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Kart 64