Talk:Proof (rapper)

message: Most of the citations needed under the Death section, can be found at http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=5074&page=2 it's number 11 in the references section. But some of it might need re-wording.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tydamann (talk • contribs) 21:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mudd

message: removed the words "pooped" I dunno why someone put them in there.
^Thank goodness, and thanks for dutifully reporting it here. BabuBhatt 19:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poop removed

message: It claims Proof's years active were 1998-2006, but he appeared on eminem's album Infinite (1995). 
His album with 5 Elementz "The album that time forgot" was released in 1995.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slickwiki (talk • contribs) 09:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Years Active

message: Real name, birthplace, family background, early life, more on how he got into rapping (yes, Eminem is his friend, but was that how he got in?).  
He actually was the hook-up that got Eminem in contact with Dr. Dre.
Can anyone add this information?  -Kasreyn 05:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction: During daylight saving time, EST is UTC-4. DELutz 15:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I have fixed the time zone discrepancy. --Zimbabweed 03:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Daylight saving time wasn't in effect on 11 April 2006, we should correct to eastern standard time, UTC-5. --Fire Star 17:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: DST started on 02:00 local time on 2 April 2006, in the United States (link). --Zimbabweed 04:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needed information

message: "A second victim, who has been identified as 35-year-old Detroit resident Keith Bender Jr., remains in critical condition at St. John Hospital and Medical Center. He also sustained a gunshot to the head."
"Several of Bender's relatives spoke with The Detroit News, claiming that Proof shot Bender, and was then shot by someone else. The paper reports that Detroit police confirmed that account, but have not provided additional details. "Some words were exchanged. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time," Bender's sister-in-law Angel Bender told the News. "We're still putting the pieces together.""
"Bender, relatives said, was a retired Army staff sergeant, and a veteran of Operation Desert Storm. Both he and Proof were at the CCC Club with friends, police confirmed. Authorities have not released any information on what may have led to the altercation, but believe two guns were used during the shooting."
-per MTV News
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1528465/20060412/proof_of_d_12.jhtml?headlines=true
This article also sheds some new information, might be useful:  --Shizane 16:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Mario Etheridge, a 28 year old bouncer at Detroits CCC club, is in police custody. Several witnesses pointed at him, and once police began to attempt to make contact he turned himself in, and a warrant is currently being filed.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/8650029/detail.html
http://www.rapnews.net/0-202-261227-00.html
According to numerous sites, Mario is a cousin of Mr. Bender, the other man shot in this incident.  Other sources are also saying the altercation began over a game of pool.
http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=5563
:::Ummmm and exactly why do you think that there genius??--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 16:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspect  

message: I'm as upset about Proof's death as anyone but this is one of the least professional articles I've ever read on Wikipedia. The entire thing is dripping with POV. Just read the Aftermath section for starters.69.248.173.137 15:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: Almost all of Aftermath was plagiarized from http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1776734,00.html
I've remove what is. Area51mafia 19:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath cut down

message: Um, robot prison?  lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.63.90.189 (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: "In late 2006, Proof, along with D12 bandmate Bizarre, got together ..."
Two paragraphs down it then says he died April 11, 2006. What gives? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.34.153.190 (talk) 03:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In late 2006... but he died in April? 

message: # The language needs to be copy-edited for grammar and style.
# Context is needed for some sections (which are incomprehensible – except, presumably, to those who already know everything here – as they stand).
#There's over-linking (especially of names), under-linking (esepcially dates), and other misformatting. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a start on punctuation, articulation and sentence structure (although I added Wiki links). I also inserted a clarification message, as the opening or closing credits need to be identified. --Soulparadox 18:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and I did remove repeated Wiki links. --Soulparadox 18:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: WTF? well, i guess one shouldn't expect coherency in an entry made by the G-Unit/Dipset, um, set. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.242.127.16 (talk) 22:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   "These are not Air force one's, these are Bathing Apes." ?? 

message: :"In late 2006, Proof, along with D12 bandmate Bizarre, got together with horrorcore rap group Twiztid of Psychopathic Records to record new material for Twiztid's upcoming album "
Proof was dead in late 2006, wasn't he? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.179.27.56 (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm sure the reason why it was removed is because it needs a source...it'll probably be removed again unless a source is posted...--Aunwit 10:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something's wrong here... 

message: The character in Def Jam: Vendetta named Proof is not based on the rapper Proof is he?
No, the name's just a coincidence  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.75.200 (talk) 12:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Def Jam 

message: I dont think it should say eminem put a tattoo on his arm right at the top its a article about proof not about eminem or a section about there friendship could be added and put there--P-Real DA deal 00:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tattoo 

message: I removed the "U.S. military veteran" section in front of "after fatally shooting Keith Bender, Jr.". Mr. Bender's service in the military has no bearing on the content of the article, and could possibly be seen as a character attack against Proof due to the current high respect level for veterans in the United States and abroad. Since no previous professions are listed for Proof, I see no reason why Mr. Bender's previous job should be listed in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.71.150 (talk) 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a character statement to the unarmed victim that Proof murdered by shooting in the head. --Bobak (talk) 16:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In an article dealing with facts there is no room for character statements, it simply serves to make the article come across as not having a neutral POV when dealing with the subject matter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.67.69 (talk) 01:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see your logic.  Is there something wrong with being a military veteran?  Proof is a murderer regardless. --Bobak (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with being a military veteran, and I never implied that there was, and there is no doubt that Proof did indeed murder Mr. Bender. But, unless you are willing to go through Wikipedia and update every mention of a murder with the vocation of the victim, than listing Mr. Bender's previous profession is no more than a character attack against Proof. I see that, rather than attempt to foster debate with the goal of producing a balanced article, you've simply listed it as protected. It's always unfortunate to see those with a personal bias attempting to make Wikipedia a less reliable resource simply to further their own views or beliefs.  ColoradoCNC (talk) 10:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, if there is reason to believe that Mr. Bender's previous profession was in any way responsible for or had any bearing on his murder than I see no reason why his military service should not be listed. Unless you can show, however, that Mr. Bender was killed as a result of his military service than the revisions you have made to my edit only serve to further your own apparent bias on the subject, not to mention abuse of the powers afforded to you as an administrator. ColoradoCNC (talk) 09:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small update 

message: I have heard rumours that Mario Etheridge killed Keith Bender and Proof. Then he made a deceased Proof take credit for the first shooting. Is this true?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.37.139 (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof#Death. I hope this helps. There are alternate stories of Proof's death. TomUSA 03:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours 

message: It says his blood alcohol content was 100% when he died, someone fix this with the right number. 66.188.117.77 (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A definite error 

message: It can be added to the article and his discography now. Jp0291 (talk) 05:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Time a Tell has been leaked

message: " Also on Eminem's album Recovery the song "Going threw changes mentions the night he was killed "They say Proof just flipped out, homie just swift out and bust, Nah, it ain't like Doody to do that,He wouldn't fuckin' shoot at, no-body, he fights first" "
That part needs to be fixed. --68.25.166.193 (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: I would just like to ask what the significance of the track with Twiztid is that it calls for it's own paragraph within the article. Would it not be more suitable for this to be placed within his discography page. A relevant argument could be that it was the last song that he recorded but that is not mentioned and is also disputable due to Trick Trick's claim that the song "2getha 4eva" was the last song Proof recorded.  Cosmic44 (talk) 19:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance Of Recording A Track WIth Twiztid? 

message: The previous quote from Mudd in the XXL article was inaccurate.  I have replaced it with the exact quote from the linked article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.125.96.155 (talk) 04:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotation Correction  

message: This section is terribly written on the posted wiki page.  Read the section, and is not clear at all, about the shooting of Bender.  It speaks of Proof getting shot 3 times, and no mention of Bender getting shot, yet, it states that Bender died a week later.  This ought to be fixed by someone who has the info. MikeDawg (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: This may be only a personal trick of mine, but a usually very convenient shortcut to Wiki articles:
I googled the word proof wanting specifically to find a Wikipedia Article:Proof (measurement system used for alcohol content). The only Wiki I noticed on Page One of my search –and in 1st position– was this article, so I figured I'd just cruise on over here and use Disambiguation in the header, but, alas, found nothing.
When and when not is this feature called for? I've never formatted one and have no idea, but will volunteer if people agree that proof has more than one meaning worthy of its own page and that a Disambiguation box (a widget, I assume?) should be included on them all.Mykstor (talk) 22:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation. Shouldn't this Article have this feature at the top? 

message: The introduction currently states that Proof was close friends with "Eminem, who lived in the same neighborhood, and was often a hype man at his concerts." As it is written, it is unclear whether the second clause is saying that Proof was a hype man at Eminem concerts or whether Eminem was a hype man at Proof's concerts. Someone with this info could help by making this more clear, possibly by changing the clause into its own sentences. Jake (talk) 00:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and clarified it myself after realizing I had nothing else to do. The information on the hype man page stated that Proof was Eminem's hype man, so I changed the introduction to clearly reflect that. However, this is still an unsourced statements and the citation on the hype man page is to a physical book that I do not have access to, so it would be great if someone wanted to go ahead many find an available source to cite for that info.Jake (talk) 00:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity in Introduction 

message: *"No Other Charges In Rap Club Shooting." Wayne County, Office of the Prosecuting Attorney. May 30, 2006 - Archive
*Cunningham, Jonathan. "Remembering DeShaun “Proof” Holton Tonight at the Shelter." Metro Times. April 11, 2011.
*Kaufman, Gil. "Nightclub Where Proof Died Closes Its Doors CCC will shut down for one year, pay fines for operating illegally." MTV. May 11, 2006.
WhisperToMe (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources