Talk:Powered hang glider

message: The information in this article has been gathered through several years of interactions with many experienced FLPHG builders and pilots of various nationalities and skill level and, by direct contribution by some of these pilots. 
Updating, grammatical and technical editing is highly encouraged in order to improve the quality and accuracy of this article. In case that an event, technique, concept, etc. needs to be clarified, it is hoped that this "discussion" section becomes a welcoming and useful forum to all interested editors.
Gerry F.
BatteryIncluded 07:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: The article now seems to side-step the issue, yet the title of the article has "hang glider." Perhaps there could be a way to state quickly that powered hang gliders include powered paragliders, but that a separate article is facing powered paragliders. What say you? Joefaust (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is the article to handle that PG classic and PG coming are by mechanics and by FAI properly a proper subset of hang gliders, though string controlled mostly? 

message: A Beeson patent published in 1887 for the world to know involved related mechanics affects pendulum mass-shift control of hung-mass gliders and powered craft; also, the 1908 Breslau hung pilot behind cable-stayed triangle control frame in a hang glider furthered in simple hardware the mechanics instructed in the 1887 Beeson patent. Later Spratt used the similar mechanics involved for control. Proper weight for aviation's and hang gliding's having the Beeson and the Breslau and the Spratt control system is key. The control wing gyrocopter Benson control comes in here too.  Dickenson arrived at a point where his results incorporated that which was already gifted to hang gliding and aviation by at least 1929's George A. Spratt and the earlier 1887 Beeson and 1908 Breslau. Joefaust (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that progress is the key when figuring the history of hang gliders. However, Spratt's triangular frame invention had no relevance beyond his village and had no effect, influence or PROGRESS on the sport of hang gliding. In comparison, John Dickenson's adaptation of the already existing Rogallo wing to a water ski kite had frame had enormous a world-wide impact on the sport. The point that I am making is that one must differenciate between giving the credit of invention and that of its successful application. I have no problem giving recognition to each.  Beware of loosing neutrality.BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * It seems to be very difficult to prove that published and seen mechanics of 1887 and of 1908 and of that embedded in so many early powered aircraft like Santos-Dumont simply has no effect on the world of minds that form further aircraft. Once mechanical principles and functions are so out into the literature and craft among those skilled in the arts, then invention has occured. Later use by amateurs cannot stand as proof of non-effect for that which was already in the stream for skilled people. Spratt was not first on the control system involved. Breslau gliding club was not first either. There are signs in Pilcher, Walker, and Langley, and Wenham that Beeson was not first instructor for the involved control system. But Beeson's instruction was published strongly and available to others via the U.S. Patent system. Joefaust (talk) 04:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight regarding progress 

message: The strait of Bosporus is more than 700 meters wide, so the glide ratio should be corrected: >10! 
But I don't know how high over the sea that tower is.
OlavN 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance correction 

message: I paste below the valuable feedback given on this article as requested by me. BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Redaction

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Doesnt look foot launched to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.60.71 (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Motorized-deltaplane

message: The title is "Powered hang glider" while the body of the article seems with a non-neutral POV favoring the force of "footlaunch" whereas a neutral point of view would see "foot launch" as a proper subset of "hang glider" as there the mechanics of hang glider does not require footlauch; the FAI does not have a neutral point of view as the FAI supplies its own definitions to fit its sporting competition purposes which is a very limited non-neutral point of view.  Hang gliders are aircraft that have pilots and payloads hanging from the airframe; hang gliders can have limp or various degrees of stiffness to the wing; thus conventional paragliders and non-conventional paragliders are members of "hang gliders." String-controlled hang gliders hold limp and non-limp wings in their set; frame-controlled hang gliders also exist, like when the hung pilot or payload presses some part of the airframe of the wing structures to effect control.   Maybe editors can find a way to attain a NPOV as regards the foot-launch POV and the frame-control-only POV.  Such POVs are not necessary; work can be done to gain a NPOV.    The POV present now is too narrow and neglects the PG and the stiffenened PG and the non-footlaunched hang glders, if the title is to remain the guide for the article.    It would be a loss to let the broad potential of the article's title be unfulfilled.  Perhaps someone could start refined split articles; one of which might be: "Footlaunched powered compression-membered frame-controlled hang gliders." Joefaust (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title and body possible mismatch 

message: This article had a large amount of how-to text that has been tagged as such for seven months. Much of it was also uncited and looks like WP:OR, as indicated by the note at the very top of this talk page. I have cleaned this up. - Ahunt (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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message: This article seems to go about the Rogallo-type foot-launched hang-gliders, so the following section aswell as any other information about Cloth-wing ultralight aircraft should be moved to Ultralight aircraft.
Section:
Don Mitchell
Surprisingly, what really launched the powered ultralight aviation movement in the USA was not the Rogallo flexible wing but a whole series of rigid-wing motorized hang gliders.[6] The Icarus V flying wing appeared with its tip rudders and swept-back style wing was used as a base for some powered experiments. Differently, a rigid biplane designed also by teenager Taras Kiceniuk, Jr--the Icarus II-- was a foundation for a modification in Larry Mauro's UFM Easy Riser[7] which biplane started to sell in large numbers; Larry Mauro would power his tail-less biplane; one version was solar powered called the Solar Riser. Hang gliding record holder Don Mitchell [8] fitted his BF-10 [9] with a motor, though he still used the pilot's legs as undercarriage, an arrangement which persisted until his B-10 Mitchell Wing [10] appeared. Then there was the Manta Fledge IIB, the Pterodactyl series, and the Quicksilver created in 1972 by Bob Lovejoy. However, foot-launched powered hang gliding as we know it today had been unsuccessful prior to 1976 because three basic elements were unrefined:
Most hang gliders had poor performance.[11]
Small engine technology was underpowered and unreliable.
Piloting skills and experience were limited.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.152.93 (talk) 09:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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message: Somebody has wrongly stated that ALL powered hang gliders have a harness motor. Here is a link to a king post mounted electric motor with collapsible prop clearly powering a hang glider in a non-pusher configuration.
King Post mounted electric motor with collapsible prop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq_lvCdRRe4 202.86.32.122 (talk) 01:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Where exactly does the article say this? I'm having difficulty finding it. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: First paragraph says all powered hang gliders have a hang motor. I keep correcting it but you keep deleting my work. 202.86.32.122 (talk) 01:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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thread_title:  King Post mounted emotor.