Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in London

message: "London has limits to building heights because of protected views of certain buildings from particular locations (notably St Paul's). Until the early 1960s buildings in London were restricted to 100 feet (30 metres) in height, although there were some exceptions to this rule.  This restriction was put in place in order to keep every floor of a building in reach of the fire brigade's ladders .  The lifting of the height restriction caused a boom in the building of tall buildings during the 1960s. Most prominent of these was the Post Office (now BT) Tower, built as a microwave relay station.
London's first skyscraper was the NatWest Tower (now Tower 42), completed in 1980 and standing 182m tall. It was followed in 1991 by One Canada Square which was 235m and formed the centrepiece of the Canary Wharf development. Following another 10 year gap, several new skyscrapers appeared on London's skyline - 8 Canada Square, 25 Canada Square, the Heron Quays buildings, the Barclays headquarters and the award-winning 30 St Mary Axe."
The point made in the first paragraph needs to be referenced: eveything I've read suggests that it was aesthetic considerations, specifically the reaction against the fourteen-floor Queen Anne Mansions (where Basil Spence's 50 Queen Anne's Gate now stands) that prompted the 100ft height limit.  The second is flagrant nonsense; what about Centrepoint, the Barbican towers and any number of 1960's and 1970's housing and office blocks? FrFintonStack 18:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Few skyscrapers were built in London before the end of the twentieth century. Paravane (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening Paragraphs

message: Both the Skylon and Millennium Dome were/are apparently under 100m (300ft, not metres), which seemed like a good cut-off point - I also avoided buildings that no-longer exist (one could count the old st pauls at 168m). If you feel the dome deserves a mention I think the height is 95m (according to skyscrapers.com, from where the other information came for consistency).
Ed g2s 22:47, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not make 100m a rule for other cities, though. Chigago would end up with 219 and New York some 450 entries. Rmhermen 02:57, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)
Er..the masts of the millennium dome are 300 ft tall (yes silly of me to put metres, earlier). BTW a limit of 100m cuts of the Lloyd's building. Mintguy 08:25, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: 100m

message: I removed trellick tower (98m) from other famous buildings, and the section is for buildings just under 100m that warrant a mention due to their significant (often international) fame, which Trellick Tower doesn't have (IMHO).
Ed g2s 16:47, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Trellick Tower

message: We have to have a mention of 187  Green Bird.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/187GreenBird_pic1.jpg
London must have this building!!
--Kalmia 07:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  187  Green Bird 

message: Since this article already contains information on proposed buildings and buildings under construction, there doesn't seem to be a real need for the separate, newly created article. Any additional information could be merged into this article.--Boson (talk) 09:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this would be a very wise merge. No other city (at least not one that I know of) has a separate list for future projects. Cheers, Rai-me 01:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After checking the list again, it appears that the lead was entirely copied from portions of this list's lead, and that every building on the other list is also on this one. So, as the other does comply with WP:CRYSTAL and has no encyclopedic value that this list doesn't already have, I have decided to be bold and "merge" the two, or more simply redirect List of future tallest buildings in London to this one. Cheers, Rai-me 02:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[List of future tallest buildings in London]] 

message: Not my proposal, but unless the issues mentioned in the proposal are dealt with, it is likely that this list will lose its featured status. Kbthompson (talk) 09:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FLCR calling Earth: nothing done in all of this time. Doesn't anyone care about this featured list? TONY (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured list removal candidate 

message: I really don't think it is appropriate to have to separate sections, as there is no clear distinction between a "building" and a "structure" in some of the cases. The heading states that "A structure differs from a high-rise by its lack of floors and habitability", but this definition does not fit for several of the entries: the BT Tower is the most prominent example, as it has several floors of buildings. The churches and the stadium are also habitable at their lower levels; how can such habitable buildings be labeled "non-building structures"? There is the same problem with the two timelines; several of the structures are clearly habitable buildings. In my opinion, these sections should be merged into "Tallest buildings and structures" and "Timeline of tallest buildings and structures". Cheers, Rai•me 01:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I had originally decided to have a timeline of tallest structures (that would list the tallest man-made structures in London regardless of use or structure type).  After I had put it together I noticed that the list maily included structures and did not include buildings, so I decided to create one list for buildings and another for structures.  But, I actually do not understand the difference between a structure and a building.  According to me, buildings are places where there are offices, residences and hotels while structures are places where people cannot live in (such as telecommunication towers, observation wheels, and churches).  I am not sure how correct this is, and I find the differences confusing.  So, according to what you said above, the London Eye and the CN Tower would be considered buildings because they can be inhabited, right?  Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 02:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the difference is vague and certainly confusing. I guess I should have been clearer; in my opinion, at least, churches are buildings because they are mostly inhabitable; I see the steeples as architectural elements similar to the spires of skyscrapers. A stadium is also a building, as it is mostly habitable. I have heard the term "continuously inhabitable" used often, but that doesn't make sense in all cases; for example, does the Taipei 101 stop being a building and start being a structure at its roof? I guess perhaps a better definition, at least in my opinion, is that a building is a structure that is mostly, although not always entirely, inhabitable. The CN Tower, therefore, would not be a building, as it is inhabitable on only a few levels; the uninhabitable portion is far larger than the habitable portion. However, since the tower has often been deemed the "tallest building in the world", it is obvious that not all agree. The London Eye is in a similar situation; it is partially inhabitable, but not mostly inhabitable, so I would consider it a “non-building structure”. In the "Tallest structures" list, I see the Crystal Palace Transmitter, the Croydon Transmitter, the London Eye, the Battersea Power Station, and the SELCHP as non-building structures, and all of the rest as buildings. But the difference is so vague; that is why I feel it would be best to combine the sections into one. A building is always a structure to begin with, so perhaps the sections are even misnamed… What do you think? Cheers, Rai•me 02:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, merging tallest buildings and tallest structures is the best thing to do in order to avoid the confusion.  I will go ahead and merge both the lists and the timelines in the coming hours.  Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 20:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this a tower has to have less than 50% usable space. If we went by this it would take off Crystal Palace Transmitter, Croydon Transmitter,  London Eye, Wembley Stadium, Battersea Power Station, and SELCHP. I think we should use this because stuff like the London Eye and Crystal Palace Transmitter are obviously not buildings. Alaskan assassin (talk) 21:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but this article is for buildings and structures.  Therefore, including structures which have less than 50% usable space is okay for this list.  Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 21:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Tallest structures" with "Tallest buildings"? 

message: I have just altered entry for 30 St Mary Axe, which claimed building was 7th tallest building/structure in London, but 5th tallest building in UK. With Crystal Palace Tranmission Tower labelled a structure, that means the Gerkin must be 6th tallest building in London, therefore can only be 6th tallest (at most) in UK. It was only then that I noticed that most subsequent buildings are listed following the same (eroneous) count. Is there a way that this list can be altered/linked to update automatically, or does it mean that someone has to go through and alter every item individually - and repeat the task every time a new tall building is erected?  IdreamofJeanie (talk) 14:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xth tallest building 

message: A difference of opinion has emerged as to whether or not the Shard London Bridge should be added at the top of the main list, similarly to the insertion of the Tokyo Sky Tree on the List of tallest structures in Tokyo page.  I have removed it to restore the status quo established over the last 2-3 months, pending the outcome of any discussion.  Three arguments for removal are:
* if conformity to another list is to be considered, it is preferable to conform to the List of tallest buildings in the United Kingdom page rather than the List of tallest structures in Tokyo page; 
* no other reason has been given for the change, whereas there has been tacit support for excluding the Shard since November 2010;
* if it were not removed, there are errors and inconsistencies requiring correction.  
As there is a separate list for structures under construction, inclusion of the Shard on the main list entails making an exception for the Shard, and entails duplicate entries on 2 lists.  The height of the Shard is already referred to in the first paragraph of the article, in the last paragraph before the main list, in the header before the first item on the main list, in the entry in the under construction list, and at the end under the timeline.Paravane (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion in main list of buildings still under construction 

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message: this needs to be updated now the Shard is complete Siuenti (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  shard update needed 

message: I have noticed that in the article Heron Tower is ranked as 3rd tallest at 230m, but this is based on its roof height of 202m + the 28m spire. Whereas the BT tower is only ranked as 10th tallest at a height of 177m without the inclusion of its 12m antenna which is mentioned in the notes, and would put it at 189m tall if included and would be ranked as 7th tallest. So why can the spire of Heron Tower be included and the antenna of the BT Tower not. Also when 122 Leadenhall is completed it will be 225m at roof height, so is it fair for Heron Tower to be placed above it with a roof height of just 202m, based on the fact that it has a 28m spire ?QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria for height ranking

message: In the main table two towers are ranked joint fifth, yet both of their comments state that they're joint fourth in the whole UK. How is this possible? 109.158.249.60 (talk) 01:08, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is possible because the towers are ranked as joint fifth-tallest structures and described as fourth-tallest buildings, and not all structures are considered to be buildings. Paravane (talk) 22:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height Ranking Discrepancies 

message: Could anyone please add Urbanest King's Cross to the list of tallest structures and buildings please. It is a student accommodation building completed this year. It has a height of 100 metres and has 27 floors. Thanks
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=6433
:My recollection is that the SkyscraperNews information is incorrect, and that the height of 100m is AOD not AGL.  I removed this building from the list several months ago for that reason. Paravane (talk) 02:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of Urbanest King's Cross to the list. 

message: This article is full of out of date images. Particularly the panoramic view of the City which does not even include the Leadenhall Building or the Walkie Talkie on Fenchurch Street. I think a view of the City as taken from the top of St Paul's Cathedral would be ideal for this article.QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I count 62 images.  How many of them do you think are out of date? Paravane (talk) 18:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The images listed in the table that lists the tallest buildings are ok. It's mainly the skyline photos that I think could be better. There are certainly better images that show the Shard and City together than the one at the top of the article. Also as already mentioned the panoramic view of the City is well out of date as it does not even include the Leadenhall Building or the Fenchurch St Walkie Talkie building, both of which are topped out.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find a skyline of the same or better quality that is up to date on commons, I don't think anyone would object to a replacement. CMD (talk) 13:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Out of date images

message: Hi, this is a great list. But I was rather disappointed to see it didn't include marvels like the 1937 Senate House of the University. How about we include a section for historical highrises, that were built before the lifting of height restrictions in the 1960s? Which could be included? Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 18:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical highrises of London 

message: This list is out of date. Both the 'Walkie-talkie' and the Leadenhall Building are structurally complete and need to be included. Catchpole (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of date 

message: This bit of the page seems entirely redundant as all the buildings listed on this short section appear on the subsequent list. Is there some reason why this list exists at all? I'm having a hard time justifying it's existence because I can't see a reason for it, and for the fact that there is no lead in paragraph explaining the significance of having a list for Tallest Buildings 100m+. 31.52.80.203 (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I've removed said list, on the grounds of redundancy and being unsourced. —MelbourneStar☆talk 05:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of "Tallest Buildings 100m+" 

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message: I think both of the Nine Elms Towers are under construction now, aren't they ? So they should really be moved to the table of towers that are under construction.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Nine Elms Towers

message: Does anyone know what the colours in the tables are supposed to represent? There isn't a single reference to them in the list, or in other versions thereof going back several years. Based on this FLR in 2008 and the state of the list then, I am inclined to think it began as a simple alternation of colours for aesthetic purposes. Unfortunately, it doesn't lend itself to easy maintenance, considering that a) every new entry requires the rest of the table below to be adjusted, and b) many editors create a new line simply copying the code of the line above, ignoring the colour scheme. Barring an automated table that will display colours based on the number of lines, or an editor (or bot) willing to watch this page and update the colours every now and then, it's worth considering whether it might be best to do away with the stripes entirely. Waltham, The Duke of 16:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur - let's remove it.Batternut (talk) 10:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...and done. Waltham, The Duke of 13:27, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: Shard and Guy's are not in the South Bank, that stretches no further east than Blackfriars Bridge, so which area are they in, London Bridge? Marky-Son (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Southwark would be the correct location I think. It doesn't appear clear if there is a recognised place called 'London Bridge', or whether it is an informal name for the area by London Bridge. There appears to be a place 'London Bridge Quarter'. However, it is unclear to me if this is a recognised place name or one created by the developer of The Shard specifically for the area of their new developments. Guy's and The Shard don't appear to be within a specific area such as South Bank or Bankside, so the district name of Southwark is probably best in my opinion. --LegereScire (talk) 13:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: Given that Newfoundland Quay has topped out at its full height, should it not be added to the main list of buildings ? QuintusPetillius (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Newfoundland Quay

message: The images at the top of this article of both the City of London and Canary Wharf are well out of date and need replacing. QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Tallest london. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 25#Tallest london until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Regards, SONIC678 16:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tallest london" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The completed list of buildings currently shows 34 buildings that are at least 150m tall, with another 8 that are at least 150m under construction and another 25 that are "approved" that are also at least 150m tall. When all these are done there will be 67 buildings completed that are at least 150m tall. Therefore given that we could have a never ending list we may at some point have to cut the completed list to include only buildings that are at least 150m. Maybe, we could then have a separate article listing "buildings in London between 100m and 150m tall", which although are "tall" buildings probably do not constitute skyscrapers. Although the current article is a "tall buildings" article at some point we may have to draw a line. In the debate over tall buildings in London, the developers apparently see 150m as the benchmark for "tall". On the flip side of this, current projections are that once the current skyscraper boom in London is over there might not be much more to come, which if the case, hypothetically all of the buildings listed at 100m + in the Under construction, Approved and Proposed tables would not make the "Completed" list too large.QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:41, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Size of article list 100m/150m

message: In the eighth image under the heading of Skylines, the caption suggests that the London Hilton is shown. I do not however believe it is visible in the current image and is too far left to be within it's field of view. Osgod Clapa (talk) 23:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image caption