Talk:Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

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message: As far as my knowledge goes, i am pretty sure the taliban do not control north wazirstan or swat and many of the other places put under taliban control in this map.Could someone more knowledgeable update it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DRMOOMOO420 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map is inaccurate 

message: The infobox for this page contains Pakistani allegations of Indian support for the Taliban. The content is very well-cited, but is not discussed further. Shouldn't such a grievous accusation be at the very least discussed in prose? — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  04:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: India was clearly added by an IP, without using non-dubious sources. I would say we need to keep this removed since many other related discussions ended up removal of this information.  you too have a look. Orientls (talk) 07:14, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the sources might be biased is probably the reason why it is alleged, just like it is alleged by indian sources that Pakistan supports terrorists in India. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It does depend on how many academic sources have considered those allegations to be correct. Do you have any academic references? If no, then dont include back. We really need verification by third party independent sources. Orientls (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

text: Vif12vf/Tiberius saying "just like" and using False equivalence doesn't work all the time and especially not here. That Pakistan supported the Taliban has multiple reliable third party sources saying that and with concrete evidence. Meanwhile as this Pakistani journalists states, Pakistani government invoke "indian hand" everywhere and never provide evidence. Betrayal in Balochistan. --DBigXrayᗙ 18:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the record, all I was saying was that if the allegation is to be in the infobox, shouldn't it be expanded on in the article's body? No comment on where it should be in the infobox in the first place. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr. Guye I am in agreement with your viewpoint. I don't see this anymore in the infobox, probably someone already removed it which is good. cheers and regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:24, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undiscussed allegations of Indian support of the Taliban 

message: The Map presents the situation in 2016 as having been with the Taliban and Al Qaeda in complete control over FATA, with KPK being contested territory. This is quite simply incorrect. The Pakistani Taliban, even at their greatest strength, didn't hold control over entire districts, much less control the entirety of FATA whilst contesting another province. In addition to that, they were practically flushed out of FATA too by 2016 courtesy of Zarb e Azb so all in all, the Map is wrong. 39.33.254.226 (talk) 03:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can generate a better map with sources then you are welcome to do so. If you have sources to debunk the current map then the map can be removed. Orientls (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: The map is incorrect

message: User:NomanPK44 is clearly faking a sources since the first edit he made here. The source was being used for saying that the insurgency is 'ongoing' and NomanPK44 falsely claimed victory by using the same source.
I further removed what is unrelated to this conflict which had no relation to this conflict and sources don't discuss Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or any related insurgency in these sources. 42.106.4.156 (talk) 13:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: if you have any source which says that it is ongoing then please mention it. NomanPK44 (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  notes "Doval Doctrine that aims at fomenting insurgency in Pakistan’s provinces, including Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa."  notes "HRCP noted that forced disappearances, a major issue in insurgency-plagued Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces, continued in 2019." Insurgency is not over. 42.106.4.156 (talk) 14:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

text: It will clearly require strong multiple reliable sources to claim that insurgency ended in 2017 and the government won the conflict. I don't see any until now. Orientls (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  NomanPK44 and 42.106.4.156. Edit-warring is not any solution, and neither have any sources been analysed and scrutinized exactly. A note to latter that merely dropping a message on articles talk page and reverting edits, doesn't mean consensus, as you stated in edit summary. Can you both put up you valid argument's here? This would really help. I just checked history of NomanPK44's talk page, we shouldn't be disrespecting fellow editors, it is quite wrong. 42.106.4.156 please don't do this again. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 01:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  NomanPK44's editing 

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message: I came here after seeing the discussion for the infobox on Talk:Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and saw the exact same content/refs being reduplicated here. I saw no point of its inclusion here as consensus was not reached there for the exact same content. Contrary to what the recent edit claims, consensus when concerning the exact same topic is applicable as a whole, in the same edit summary it is spuriously claimed that sock "IPs/accounts" are trying to get rid of this content. This all the more ironic since it was a [sock] IP which added the content in the first place and has been trying to re-insert it ever since which is what I initially reverted back then and now. Gotitbro (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Inviting the participants from the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan discussion (ironically again started by another sock) to weigh in here . Gotitbro (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the ping.  I don't recall my previous involvement though I suspect that t was on a narrower area because I really have no in depth knowledge here. North8000 (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Since, the reversions were done by a now blocked sock and master and the content initially added as such as well. I will be removing it per above, till further consensus here or at the TTP page. Gotitbro (talk) 17:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  what is your objection to this material? Do you find the sources unreliable? Do you find the content to be a violation of WP:NPOV? VR talk 07:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

text: "" exactly answers your question. There is no need to include false accusations that have no basis at all, just like nobody included Pakistan's role (accused only by India) at 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 19:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NPOV requires us to represent "". As I (and others) have showed, this is a significant view that has been published by many reliable sources. It doesn't matter if you think it is false (see WP:NOTTRUTH).VR talk 09:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree we should include all viewpoints. We can just add "per Pakistan", some people are claiming they have consensus but there is no consensus for their removal. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think you understand what "consensus" means contrary to your misleading edit summary. Where is the consensus to add the false claims back? We are not going to add gibberish claims. India and Pakistan have history of falsely accusing each other of things. We need third party sources. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 17:37, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Don't make claims of canvassing about users without evidence. Enough arguments have been made above to discredit the information you are adding back without consensus. India also accuse Pakistan of being involved in many things that scholars don't accept. We need secondary sources to confirm the involvement of India. Capitals00 (talk) 12:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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