Talk:Clan MacIntyre

message: I have simply thrown up some of the info about the clan that I have, and intend to pretty it up and add to it sometime in the next couple of days when I have time.  Feel free to pretty it up and add info and pics (specifically I think a pic of the tartan and crest would be best.  Possibly a link to a track of the pipes would be good as well).  I would also like to tie it into the Scottish Clans page and other relevant ones.Etemenanki 14:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

message: I believe that some note should be made of the member families of thts clan--Whytecypress 00:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Families 

message: While we do "PWN" all others, I think we can leave it out of the article since it is common knowledge.--Etemenanki 03:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I just wanted to note that I think there is a factual error in this page.  Where there is discussion of the '45 and the MacIntyres role in it, it says that the Chief would have fought for the Stewarts except for the influence of his campbell wife and neighbors (who probably would have killed him and most of his clan had they done so).  It then goes on to say that many of his clansmen slipped away and fought for the hanoverians at Falkirk under the great bard Duncan Ban MacIntyre.  While Duncan certainly fought for/with the english, I've never hard this reference to clansman slipping away and fighting under him.  He was a Gaelic bard, not a clan chief, I suspect no one fought under him, but perhaps with him.  But most importantly, I think this actually should be two seperate ideas, one, that yes, Duncan did fight with the english side, and two, that while the MacIntyre chief couldn't fight for Charles Edward Stuart, and refrained, probably despite his inclination, in order to save his clan, he allowed/tolerated (with a wink) many of his clansmen to slip away and fight for the Stuarts, particularly at Culloden, many of them in the Stewart of Appin regiment.  I think this is a mistake because the language he uses, that they slipped away, is almost word for word the language used by many clan histories in reference to the Cheif allowing clansmen to slip away and fight for the Stuarts.  Plus it makes more sense for the clansmen to have to slip away to fight for the Stuarts, because the Chief was trying to maintain the pretense of not supporting the Stuarts.
I have some published histories documenting this that I will try to dig up and put up references, but for now my hope is that the original author might see this and check to see if indeed he made a mistake.
Thanks,
Micum MacIntyre  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.149.156 (talk) 20:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors regarding the Clan during the '45?

message: see text at macintyreclan.org. seems to be a violation of copyrighted (Copyright © 1999 - 2005 Clan MacIntyre Association. All rights reserved) material. URGENT ATTENTION required.
Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 22:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Simple answer for that kind of stuff - just terminate with extreme prejudice. :-) If there's anything worth rescuing, you can find it in this diff - I leave that as an exercise for the reader. :-) Le Deluge (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: just added text from public domain. Should act as a good stub for the article. Problem solved. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WARNING excessive or improper use of copyrighted material 

message: Following replacement by Czar Brodie of copyrighted material with text from the public domain, I have replaced the somewhat dated public domain article with a new article that is original copy and is supported by Reliable sources.  Czar Brodie and I have discussed this replacement of his material with my new material.  I have not removed the preexisting graphic boxes.  I will clean up the two notes that need to be straightened out shortly.
I have often used multiple citations.  As stated, there is little documented with respect to the early clan history.  Consequently, the sources, while in general agreement, vary as to details.  For an encyclopedia, it is inappropriate to give every variation of every story, so I have had to select certain details for inclusion at the expense of others.  The multiple sources allow a reader to locate all versions of any particular account.
As always, further work remains to be done on the article.Tomaterols (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done! The article looks great.--Celtus (talk) 06:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good stuff. Two quick comments - the intro needs to summarise the article, for something this length you're probably looking at 3 paragraphs or so, see WP:LEAD - but that's not something many clan articles are good on. :-) The other thing is more minor, but in modern geography it seems to be pretty much always Glen Noe when referring to the place in Scotland, Glenoe is in Northern Ireland. It may be Glenoe in titles and in old references, but I'd suggest you replace it with Glen Noe where appropriate - I'll leave it to you given the potential for mis-substitution.Le Deluge (talk) 23:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: MacIntyre article revision

message: There is no agreement among references as to capitalization of the principal name in “Mac” names.  Some references (all listed in the Clan MacIntyre article, in full) render the name “Macintyre” on the evident theory that the principal name “carpenter” is not a proper noun like “MacDonald.”  See Adam, The Clans, Septs and Regiments; Macdonald, Clan MacIntyre; Gordon, Highland Days; Moncreiffe, The Highland Clans p. 13.  In other references, however, the principal name is capitalized as “MacIntyre.”  See Douglas, The Story of the Clans; Grant, Scottish Clans and Tartans; McIan, The Clans of the Scottish Highlands.  Oddly, one of the most recent compilations of clan histories, Way of Plean’s Collins Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia, capitalizes only the first letter of all “Mac” names resulting in the unusual renderings “Macdonald,” “Macalister,” etc.  Given the absence of any consistency among the sources, and the fact that the chiefs’ surname has the principal name capitalized, I believe “MacIntyre” is the most logical option.--Tomaterols (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The good references for the capital leters are: SCOSC and burkes. Both give "MacIntyre". so no problems here. I think we use these references for the capitals, eg: Macdonald of Macdonald, or Macalister are as these references, the same goes for MacDonald of Keppoch, MacLea etc. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of MacIntyre 

message: A friend who is a heraldic artist in the U.K. has agreed to execute a copy of the chief's arms which he will relinquish his copyright to. Inasmuch as the arms were only granted in 1991, there are no existing images that are not in copyright. I have left the area next to the table of contents empty for this graphic, which should be ready sometime in June.--Tomaterols (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's six months late due to some problems on my part, but the Chief's coat of arms illustration, by heraldic artist Roland Symons, has now been uploaded into the article.--Tomaterols (talk) 03:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: MacIntyres chiefs' coat of arms image anticipated

message: Regarding the story of the burning (or not) of the chief's home in the "History" section, most sources say the fire was caused by one of the Royalist troops, not the chief.  Unfortunately, all the parallel accounts I can find are in self-published or unpublished sources.  If anybody can find the version of the story that says troops began to fire the house in a Reliable source it would be very helpful to add it and then cite to Gordon as a secondary source.--Tomaterols (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a source and am adding it.--Tomaterols (talk) 15:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Arson of Chief's home

message: Although many works spell the location in the Scottish Highlands of the home of the clan chiefs as "Glen Noe," in the matriculation of arms to the clan chief by the Lord Lyon dated September 20, 1991, the chief's territorial designation is "MacIntyre of Glenoe." The matriculation itself is not published, but this correct spelling appears in one of the latest works on Scottish Clans, Collins Scottish Clan & Family Encyclopedia, George Way of Plean and Romilly Squire, Glasgow: HarperCollins Publishers, 1994, pages 222-223.--Tomaterols (talk) 16:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling of Glen Noe

message: I have just read the article on Clan MacIntyre and found it very interesting.  It seems to be a very well researched and accurate article.  My husband is a great-great-grandson of James MacIntyre, (born circa 1727) designated third Chief of Clan MacIntyre.  His daughter Jean married Reverend Duncan MacIntyre, Minister of Kilmallie Parish, Lochaber.  Their son Duncan Alexander MacIntyre immigrated to Australia on board the "Hooghley" in 1836, and worked as a shepherd for the Campbell family of Duntroon (present day Canberra). The Reverend Duncan MacIntyre was a son of John MacIntyre of Camusnaherie, which was a cadet branch of the main Glen Noe line. The Camusnaherie MacIntyres are buried on Eilean Munde (the Isle of Mung) in Loch Leven and the Glen Noe MacIntyres are buried at Ardchatten Priory near Glen Noe. I have a copy of "Clan MacIntyre, A Journey to the Past" by the late L.D. MacIntyre (published 1977) and "MacIntyre of Glenoe and Camus-na-h. Erie" by Duncan MacIntyre (published 1901) - The author Duncan MacIntyre was a nephew of our "Hooghley" Duncan.  These two excellent books should be allowed to be cited as sources.  From a Clansman's Spouse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.168.62.148 (talk) 11:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Descendent of the MacIntyre Chief's of Glen Noe