Talk:Diplock court

message: The article seems to be internally inconsistent on this:  I believe that the later mention is correct, and they continued until some time this year.  Alai 05:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued until the 90s? 

message: It seems that Diplock courts are still being used in Northern Ireland, such as the current trial of Solicitor Manmohan 'Johnny' Sandhu in Belfast (BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8056017.stm). Not sure how to get this into the article though. 82.3.75.186 (talk) 16:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the article, there is still provision for non-jury trials in NI (as elsewhere in the UK). This is on a much-restricted basis when compared to Diplock, so can't really be fairly described as "Diplock courts". You could note the trial as an example of a post-Diplock non-jury trial. Mooretwin (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currently in use? 

message: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_ireland/10486088.stm
seems links to an article describing the same case as a DIPLOCK  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.182.113 (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And, indeed, when discussing the same case, the BBC explicitly uses the term "Diplock". Seems to contradict the assertion in the article that these courts are no longer in use. Anyone fancy investigating a bit further to find out what's going on? me_and 15:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

text: From reading around and inferring, I think the Beeb is incorrectly using the term "Diplock" to mean "a trial heard without a jury due to the risk of jury intimidation". While a Diplock court is such a court, "Diplock" seems to me to specifically mean a trial held without jury for that reason under the Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1973. Since that's WP:SYN and likely to be contentious, it'll need good citations before being included in the article. me_and 15:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  July 2010 case 

message: What does the section on Kitson contribute? There is nothing to prove or suggest that the establishment of the courts was directly influenced by Kitson's work. I think I'm right in saying his contribution was mainly as advice and not as policy. The quotation does not directly relate to the creation of the Diplock courts, at all, and seems to be mainly an attempt to blacken their reputation by associating them, in any desperate way possible, with something cynical Kitson once said about the use of the law in counter-insurgency.
Certainly nothing in it proves that the real reason behind the courts' creation was counter-insurgency strategy, and not the integrity of legal due process as claimed. Moreover, even if the Diplocks were part of a covert strategy to defeat insurgents by subverting the law, how do we square this with the fact that the Republic had its own equivalent of Diplock? Were they too operating a Kitsonian co-in campaign? Doubtful. In fact, why no mention of the RoI's Special Criminal Courts in the main body of the article?
'Two years later Lord Gardiner’s review, of the removal of Trial by Jury, unconvincingly attempts to bolster Diplock’s findings as follows'
Who isn't convinced?
This is a fairly important subject matter. It deserves better than this drek.
Kitson section deleted.
--Oxford Menace (talk) 23:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that you do not remove complete sections of any article without first getting consensus here at the talkpage. You have put forward you argument now please wait for other editors to put their case forward. Please be aware that this article is covered by the 1RR.
Of course. Sorry, my bad. New to this. B--Oxford Menace (talk) 20:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, the establishment of the Diplock Courts can be seen as an early, and successful, example of PIRA's long-term aim of making 'the Six Counties... ungovernable except by colonial military rule'. This was one of the central pillars of the 'Long War' strategy set out in the 1977 'Green Book' [see O'Brien The Long War p.23]: while the PIRA claimed its armed struggle sought to end British 'colonial' rule, its leadership realized that Catholic perception of British 'colonialism', and the subsequent disillusionment caused by this, was of great value in selling the Republican cause to the Catholic community. PIRA strategy therefore sought covertly to induce those conditions it claimed to be fighting against, in pursuit of its own ideological ends. In the case of the Diplock courts, it can be argued that Republican paramilitaries deliberately intimidated Northern Irish juries so as to prompt the British authorities to resort to an emergency, and less attractive, alternative; in this way British rule in Northern Ireland deligitimized itself further in the eyes of the Nationalist community. The corollary of this was the IRA's deliberate (some would say cynical) collusion in denying full legal rights to Northern Ireland's Catholics (as well as its Protestants), while at the same time styling themselves as champions and defenders of the Catholic community.
--Oxford Menace (talk) 00:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias?