Talk:8-track cartridge

message: Reel-to-reel introduced in '40s --- Are you sure about this? The best I could dig up was the Ampex in 1956, and use by CBS for the first time in November 30, 1956. Magnetic tape was actually invented in in 1928, but wasn't really feasible until the invention of plastic tape in 1947. Ioa 19:59 Oct 14, 2002 (UTC)
:The invention of plastic magnetic tape happened well before 1947. It was being used in Germany in both broadcasting and military applications during the second world war. The BASF chemical company manufactured the tapes. 80.229.222.48 21:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reel-to-reel

message: Isn't calling it "now-obsolete" a bias? Some people still use 'em! swirsky
:Maybe some other word might be more appropriate? As far as I know, 8-track players and cartridges are no longer produced --Zilog Jones 18:14, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's biased to call something obsolete even if they are still in use - some people still listen to 78s. Obsolete means superceded by a newer technology and no longer used by the majority of people. The 8-track is definitely obsolete. Graham 00:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Obsolete, in my eyes, means something that is out of production, as well as being superceded by a newer technology. --65.147.23.106 04:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Obsolete

message: Were the professional 8-track tapes ever used for sound effects playback on TV shows recorded in front of a live audience? (eg late night talk shows). I saw a quick shot of the "sound guy" on a variety show once where the guy was surrounded by an array of cartidges that he could quickly slot into the player to provide various sounds for particular segments (or for a quick laugh). - Diceman
:They most likely were the Fidelipac professional three-track commercial carts, not 8-tracks.  --Blainster 21:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying. - Diceman 12:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use for live TV show sound effects 

message: Why is ' Eight-track recording machine' re-directed here? I ended up being redirected here from a link in the article about 'Hey Jude' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Jude - the concepts of multi-track recording and eight track stereo cartridge are being confused here. I'm sure that the Beatles did NOT record 'Hey Jude on an eight track cartridge.
it is on 8-track, i own a copy.
sometimes it's called "the beatles again", sometimes it is "hey jude"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.211.84 (talk) 22:30, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the redirect?

message: I removed this sentence from the end of the opening paragraph: "Much early development of the 8-Track itself (after its inital conception) was also pioneered by the Orrtornics Corporation of Toledo, Ohio.". As it stands it does not convey much useful information.  It could be added back  in the narrative of 8-track development if it can be determined just what contributions the company made.  Otherwise it just sounds like advertising.
A Google search shows the company name Orrtronics was mispelled in the sentence referred to above.   A web page here says they had licensed an endless loop tape cartridge that was unsuccessful in the market.  --Blainster 18:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Orrtronics reference

message: The article isn't very neutral in its coverage of the fidelity of 8-tracks, constantly touting mediocre sound quality and being disavowed by audiophiles. Sure, a good few of the 8-tracks you'll pick up from a thrift store might not sound quite as crisp as they were 30 or 35 years ago, but it's been my experience that a few of my 8s are indistinguishable from CD-quality audio. Factors including age, cartridge design, player condition, proper storage/maintenance, and original recording quality (for example, don't look to a recording of the greatest hits of the Monkees on a Realistic cartridge in a typically out-of-alignment 8-track/record/radio combo unit as a true representation of audio fidelity from the 8) influence how good an 8-track can sound. If executed properly, you can defeat the argument of replacing it with a CD for quality's sake. --User:Vintagejonny 20:36, 23 April 2006
:Interesting arguements. I guess, if you think about it, pretty much any audio format degrades over time if it's not properly cared for. I only own one cart. I've taken good care of it, and I've only tested it out once on a system that didn't have great speaker sound to begin with, so I don't know with any certainty about the sound quality. But maybe the amount of cart care and maintenance is too much for some folks, and maybe that's why it's not as popluar as lower-maintenance formats such as cassette or CD. I'll try to edit some of the bias, though; it's all in the ears of the beholder, after all. --Dynamite Eleven 02:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The tape itself is capable of good sound, but the real problem is the mechanics. I have yet to hear an 8-track that didn't wow, and for an audiophile, that is intolerable, no matter how good the sound otherwise. The problem is that the mechanical drag of the reel is quite substantial, despite the graphite coating, so a very high pinch-wheel pressure is needed (exacerbated by the very same graphite working against friction at the pinch wheel/capstan). The pinch wheel pressure is provided only my the springs holding the cartridge in the player, so it's rather limited (or else the cartridge becomes very hard to pull out of the machine). Also, the drag partly depends on the softness of the pinch wheel, which being part of the cartridge, must vary somewhat. All these factors make the pinch wheel force variable and compromised. As I say, I have yet to hear one that didn't wow. Graham 05:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. But the BIG problem with 8 tracks were that they were SO reliant on the QUALITY of the equiptment. Cheap players had problems like crosstalk between tracks and severe head alignment issues that resulted in poor sound quality. Higher quality decks, like my Pioneer with Dolby make crisp, clear recordings that have VERY good fidelity. In the days before auto reverse cassettes, The 8 track was vastly superior, as it would play continuously. I never owned a cassette deck until autoreverse decks became common in the late 80's. Teamgoon 06:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Sources requested for article:
Ford Motors, which in 1965 (debuted September 15) offered 8-track players as an option in their complete line of 1966 model cars – from You Really Got Me  a comprehensive history of the Kinks, by Doug Hinman and Jason Brabazon, 1994
Also: After getting RCA Victor to commit to the mass production of its catalog on Learjet 8-tracks, Ford agreed to offer the players as optional equipment on 1966 models.  – from "A History of The Eight Track Tape" by David Morton in 8-Track Mind magazine, 1995. dredged up by Google & --Blainster 22:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 8-track introduction

message: I was just in here to do some copy editing, so I'm not sure of the difference between these two.  Did the name ever change?  The article doesn't make that clear, and so it looked like an error to me, but I have no idea which of them is correct (or whether either is incorrect).  Thathollygirl 22:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fidelipak/Fidelipac

message: It's not obvious from the article how many minutes an 8-track can hold. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.234.16.120 (talk) 07:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have Springsteen's "The River" on 1 fat 8 track and its an 82 minute album. John celona (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As mentioned elsewhere, blanks could be purchased in lengths up to 120 min. The supplier I used was Exhibo West and their "branded" tapes used the Audiopak carts which they custom loaded in lengths from 32 min up to 120. The name brand blanks I recall - 3M and Ampex - were 90 min. at most (these used the Lear cart). THX1136 (talk) 02:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Tape length

message: I'd like to hear some views about the article title. Strictly speaking, the format was called "Stereo 8"; many cartridge manufacturers actually did use this term, althouh it seems Learjet wasn't terribly bothered about requiring the trademark to be used, or used consistently. Most people in English refer to the object as an "8-track cartridge" and this term was in semi-formal use; CBS cartridges generally say "8-Track Stereo" on them, while others, such as those from RCA, generally are labeled "Stereo 8 Cartridge"; ie, the formal trademark. I think it's OK the way it is (Stereo 8 is mentioned in the intro and as the title of the infobox) but as other formats stick to the trademark (Compact Cassette, Compact Disc) I thought I'd ask. ProhibitOnions (T) 20:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's no objection, I will do this; both terms are used in the article enough to make it clear what we are talking about, and the use of the trademark would make it consistent with other media-format articles. ProhibitOnions (T) 14:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Objection. No one calls these things "Stereo 8" regardless of the trademark. 8 track is the only common name anyone's used for the things.76.226.131.230 (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, that's right. Unless there is a reason on why the article should be called Stereo 8, it must returned to the original 8-Track Cartridge name. --Juan D. (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: "Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band's Live/1975-85... is probably the only boxed set ever released on vinyl, cassette, compact disc and 8-track tape."
I can actually name you several boxed sets that were released on all 4 formats, so this might should be changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Garr1984 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do, that would be interesting, and if you have pictures, they might be useful. I've removed this claim from the article. ProhibitOnions (T) 14:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it meant that its original release was on on all formats? It's not difficult to imagine that in 1988 (the last year of official commercial 8-tracks and one of the first years of commercial compact discs) that this brief window of time might have given the album the distinction of being one of the only (if not THE only) simultaneous debut release of a boxed set on all four said formats. But that's purely speculation. --Dynamite Eleven 01:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There was a posthumous re-release of a Marty Robbins album on LP, Compact Cassette, 8-Track and CD. The pre-death commercial video and audio was used with a new end bumper with an image adding the CD to the options and new voiceover listing the available formats. Bizzybody (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxed Sets? 

message: The article doesnt cover them all, so here we go. All these were routine problems unortunately.
* Tape slip, the biggest problem by far. Sounded terrible. Not all machines suffered this, but enough did to ruin 8 track's reputation.
* Splice oxidation, causing failure to change tracks automatically
* Splice coating cracking, causing 2 or 3 track changes where one should occur.
* Mistracking due to imperfect head alignment, causing another track to play muffled in the background during silences
* Tapes getting eaten in the player
* Foam pressure pads deteriorating, resulting in no tape to head pressure and muffled patchy sound (sounds like severe continuous cassette dropout)
* Splices falling off
* no rewind
* no fast forward either on most machines
* the minority of fast forwarding machines were really not-fast forward, as the 8 track cassette mecha couldnt handle switching between play speed and high speed.
* Long silences due to having to squeeze albums into 4 sides
* tangling in the cartridge occasionally occurred.
* Poor hf response and high hiss levels on most players - levels that are considered entirely unacceptable today, but were accepted at the time, due to shortage of better options
* No effective head cleaning system
** head cleaning carts were common, but only effective to a limited degree
** the minority of abrasive head cleaners worked better to some extent, but whether it was wise to use them regularly on the tape heads was another matter.
* Early 70s tapes shedded a significant amount of oxide, making regular head cleaning necessary
In short it was a format of its time, when nothing better was available, but as compact cassette fidelity improved they left 8 tracks behind due to 8 track's numerous problems.
Tabby 11:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues 

message: Article should be clarified to state that new 8 tracks are still being made by numerus sellers.  I have an Everclear 8 track. Any CD can be dubbed onto an 8 track and that is NOT bootleg if done for the owner of the CD for his personal use. John celona 17:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So its possible to still buy new 8-tracks? Do they sell blank ones anywhere?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.240.123 (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes.  On Ebay.  68.224.206.168 (talk) 18:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still beingproduced in USA 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sexpistols8track.JPG

message: there should be a section to describe what it is, does or how it works. you shouldnt need to read through the history and development to learn about the metal tape to make it change tracks, etc. 
possibly a comparison with modern casettes, i.e. 8 tracks but played one at a time on a loop and switching (i assume with the ability to switch tracks on command?), instead of 4 tracks played 2 at a time in different directions Kaldosh (talk) 09:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  technical description section 

message: Move to 8-track tape. Parsecboy (talk) 15:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All the other recording formats are listed under their brand names. ProhibitOnions (T) 19:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Were they not just commonly referred to as "cartridges". I only vaguely remember them, but I remember them as that.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that the name of the article should be 8-track cartridge or tape. The name Stereo 8 should be in the section "also known as" because most people don't know about this commercial name.--Juancdg (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Article should be the best known name, that being 8 track. That other formats are under brand names or trademarks is irrelevant if that is also a commonly known name for the format. Stereo 8 is not the commonly used name for 8 track.76.226.131.230 (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I've moved the article to 8 Track Cartridge. I've replaced the Stereo 8 name with 8-Track Cartridge --Juan D. (talk) 04:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've moved it back. ProhibitOnions (T) 23:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: And why? The name it's a trademark. Only Learjet used that name, the object is an 8-Track Cartridge. What do you think about this? If we were using the trademark name that article should be called "Q-Tip". I have an 8-Track Player and it does not says "Stereo 8". And don't remove content without a discussion first. --Juan D. (talk) 00:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you're the one who made a move request (to a non-standard capitalized title) and then moved it yourself, which is very naughty. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies, including WP:CAPS and MOS:TM. There are plenty of articles on Wikipedia about trademarked items. ProhibitOnions (T) 09:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've move it and I might have made a mistake, but I did it because most people agree that Stereo 8 is not an appropiate name for this article. --Juan D. (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: First of all, please remain WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. If anyone has been acting unilaterally, it is Juancdg, who changed the article title (to one that is incompatible with WP:CAPS and the rule of English grammar that a sentence does not start with a digit). I simply restored it. "I've never heard of it" isn't an argument, especially not for an audio format that has been obsolete for 30 years. All the audio formats on Wikipedia are listed under their trademark if they have one, and this system has worked well. This article, like the others, is about a format. That includes not just the cartridge, but the tape, the players, the commercial availability of material, and other aspects. The present title also avoids confusion with eight-track recording. If you look at the large number of redirects, you will also note that there are many variations on how to write (eight/8)(-)(track) (tape/cassette/cartridge); this was also an issue in the past for Compact Cassette; it became a FA under that title, setting a precedent here. ProhibitOnions (T) 09:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting forward the notion that because other files are named by their trademarked name, this one has to be is wrong. This format name did not become a genericized trademark, and that's that. Seedless Maple (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The Compact Cassette is different, because many cassette manufacturers used that name including Sony, Panasonic, Maxell, TDK, Pioneer, etc; so there is no problem with that. I agree with Seedless Maple, this format did not become a genericized trademark that's the reason why we want to move this article. --Juan D. (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: What's with the personal attack? ProhibitOnions (T) 17:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't take criticism of a foolish consistency personally. — Walloon (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: There should definitely be a picture of a tape and a player here. A lots of readers have probably never seen one of those tapes, especially if they're under 50 or not from the U.S.
The description is fine, but it doesn't show how they were inserted (I believe that a part of the cartridge stuck out of the player, but that might not always be the case) or in what kind of package they were sold (blank tapes or pre-recorded)
207.45.249.144 (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Pre-recorded 8-track cartridges were sold in cardboard boxes to fit the cartridge size. There was generally artwork of the music artists on the cover, usually a small version of the vinyl LP art. Done a lot of editing of the article, too tired to add this right now. Centrepull (talk) 00:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I still have 3 underdash players I could take pictures of for the article - Muntz/Clarion, Craig and another. The M/C is a quad deck, the other two are stereo. If I get a chance I will do so and then post. I've still got some tapes so I can take photos with carts inserted too. Any suggestions on what the best composition for a photo to be in the article would be appreciated. THX1136 (talk) 01:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Pics or it didn't happen!

message: I disagree with the idea that 8-track cartridges were not very popular in the UK. I was living in the UK during the 1960s and 1970s, and commercial 8-track cartridges were increasingly popular there from the mid-60s until the mid/late 70s. Up to around 1978 it was very common to see cars with aftermarket 8-track players fitted. They were the first common 'players' of your own music choice available for cars (compared with radios, where you heard whatever was broadcast, and large, expensive vinyl record players which were over-sensitive to road bumps). There was a sizable period when 8-tracks had the market to themselves, before Philips compact cassette format became properly established. When compact cassettes became really common (mid-70s onwards), you could also buy various 'converters' that allowed you to play cassettes in your 8-track unit in your home or car. 8-track cartridges are the size of a paperback book, so it was hard to miss the stack of them on the passenger seat and dashboard shelf when you got into a car. Not only that, but 8-track separate units (as part of a stereo set-up) were not unusual to see in homes.
    Car audio of any type was rare in British cars before the 70s (you needed an additional licence for a car radio in the 60s).
This statement and reasoning by User:Ef80 is not correct. In the 60s and 70s, original equipment radios were rare in cars in Britain (i.e. considering both British cars and imports), they were most usually expensive options. However from the mid-sixties onwards aftermarket radios were popular fitments in cars, and by the '70s when someone referred to their 'car stereo', they often meant an 8-track player. The £1 annual car radio licence requirement in the '60s was not much of a deterrent:
* the licence cost was insignificant compared to the cost of the radio, speakers and fitting
* you could fit an 8-track unit with no radio function
* the car radio licences weren't checked anyway.
I would imagine that an authoritative citation on 8-track popularity during this period in the UK would be very hard to find.
Addressing points made by User:Ubcule it is difficult to prove a negative. If a Wikipedian has never personally seen an 8-track (not surprising in the 80s!), that in itself is no proof that they were not tremendously popular at one time. On the other hand, if a person (in the area in question, during the time in question) remembers seeing them being widely used, that would seem to be some evidence of their one-time popularity during that particular period. 
I personally remember 8-track players being a common accessory in 1970s cars in the UK, and a wide variety of pre-recorded tapes being available, and also in Western Nigeria (negating the claim that they were not well-known outside US, Canada, UK, Australia). My recollection is that 8-track players were very popular, but by the late 70s they were quickly superseded by compact cassette players. Also speaking to their one-time popularity - there are still plenty of vintage car and home units available for sale in the UK on ebay.co.uk. and similar places.
Centrepull (talk) 15:43, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on popularity in UK 

message: However, constant development of the cassette turned it into a widespread high-fidelity medium and also lowered the cost and complexity.
Cassettes did undergo constant development, the sound-quality did increase, and the cost of tapes and players was reduced. I'm not convinced that the complexity was reduced. Is anyone aware of simplifications of the mechanism as a development? It appears to me that all the main elements of the cassette transport mechanism were persistent, and the eventual development of 'autoreverse' and 'quick music selection' mechanisms were actually complications of the mechanism. The cassettes largely stayed the same in construction, with some changes in materials (e.g. tape, tape coating, slip sheet) according to brand and (most importantly) cassette tape type. Centrepull (talk) 00:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cassette development 

message: I removed this information as it is inaccurate. This is what can be read in the FAQ that was taken as reference:
It has been reported from one tracker that in Mexico 8-tracks abound. This tracker reports to have recently (1995) purchased some brand new Tejano, brought into the country illegaly. (sic)
The way this is written is confusing, you can either understand that the tapes were introduced illegally to the U.S. or to Mexico. 8-track tapes, either blank or pre-recorded, and players were completely phased-out in Mexico around 1984 (if not earlier) and were completely replaced by Compact Cassette ever since. By 1995, bootleggers used mainly Compact Cassette tapes and sometimes vinyl and they were rapidly shifting towards CD (using presses at that time, CD-R would became affordable and increase in availability until 1998). In 1995 the only way to get 8-track tapes and players in Mexico was in garage sales and flea markets and, even in those outlets, those were hard to find.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.217.153.124 (talk) 05:30, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bootleg 8-tracks in Mexico in 1995? 

message: "Boombox" type portable players were also popular but eight-track player/recorders failed to gain wide popularity and few manufacturers offered them except for manufacturer Tandy Corporation (for its Radio Shack electronics stores)."
The above sentence is quite misleading. As it stands currently one is left with the thought that only Tandy offered recorders. Untrue to say the least. Sony, Wollensak (3M), and Panasonic are 3 I personally had experience with. It may be better said that "several" manufacturers offered record decks, but they never caught on with consumers. Tandy did offer these decks seemingly longer than others though. Since this possibly violates the no original research aspect of Wikipedia I would like some input on making an edit to clear this up. Thoughts?THX1136 (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading info at best 

message: This article is just chock full of OR, personal anecdotes, and opinions. It really needs some serious attention. I would caution those who have been parts of the above discussions that you need verifiable, non-primary sources to add things to Wikipedia. You cannot just add things that you "remember", or things that you "think" were a certain way. Anecdotal evidence means nothing in the context of an encyclopedia.
I strongly encourage someone with the time and dedication to find some reliable non-primary sources, and give this article a major re-write.  MrAureliusRTalk! 03:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that company product brochures would not be acceptable for verification of the decks that were available? I have brochures from Panasonic and Wollensack which contain photos and specs for their recorders. I may even have a Sony brochure with their offerings. I also have catalogs from the period with various manufacturers decks.THX1136 (talk) 18:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't acceptable. I personally don't mind since you can't buy them anymore but some may consider that to be spam. But, things may be different since you can't buy new decks anymore.  Pancho507 (talk) 15:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: There's eight whole sections on the history of these things but not one about how the damn things actually work. This article is a mess. MightyArms (talk) 03:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do these actually work? 

message: I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS, WP:NOR, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 16:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited material in need of citations

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to 8-track cartridge, and no consensus to move the disambiguation page at this time, per the discussion below.  Dekimasuよ! 02:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well ... support rename to 8-track cartridge. Taylor 49 (talk) 22:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection to 8-track cartridge. 162 etc. (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 June 2023