Talk:List of flying aces from Greece

message: I am baffled by the proposed deletion because I do not understand the reasoning behind it. One cannot know a list contains only a single item until one compiles it. Likewise, the reader cannot know it is redundant until they have read it. As it is, this single-item list serves as an entry link into the niche of biographies of World War I flying aces, as well as a link to an under-appreciated aviation pioneer.
As it is, I have searched the deletions process page and have found no listing of redundancy as a reason for deletion of a list. In fact, I found no deletion process listing for lists. However, if I can be shown proof that redundancy is a valid ground for deletion, I will consent to it.
Georgejdorner (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Redundant" in this case means that there is no grounds for a list: there was ever only one recorded Greek air ace in WWI, and that was Moraitinis. A list of one is no list, by definition. Just as one-article categories are redundant and get deleted, the same applies to lists. Constantine   ✍  16:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

text: These lists should all be merged into a List of World War I aces by country, and the countries with larger number of aces have sublists, and s on their sections, while the short lists remain on the main list. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 05:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Since the reason why that list is not one list is because a single list caused a lot of problems (see the talk pages, and archives); loading times were insane, didn't load on some systems, the long load times caused timeout errors, and the size of the list caused load size errors. Otherwise, a sortable table could be used to sort by country instead of by kill. There could be transclusion limit errors with a single list as well. As for what to do... large aces countries can exist on single lists. British should be separated into component commonwealth countries. Unless you want to build lists as by service instead of by nationality. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 06:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I think we should move this discussion to the main WT:MILHIST page, since we're pretty well along with an idea to create a parallel set of lists to the aces by kill list that currently exists. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant? 

message: If this name were added to List of World War II aces from Greece, the result would be List of flying aces from Greece.
Georgejdorner (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not? It's a good proposal. Constantine   ✍  19:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

text: A single item does not a list make, . And the current WWII list of Greek Aces is only 5 items so merging makes sense. List of WWI flying aces from Greece would become a redirect to List of flying aces from Greece#World War I taking the reader direct to the item. Same could be done for any other mergers of short lists. GraemeLeggett (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I really don't see how moving Moraitinis to a list of Greek aces that will contain a few other names is "burying" it, or how keeping a single-item "list" just for the rather pedantic reason of having separate lists for separate nations for World War I is better. BTW, it doesn't really help with finding collaborators if you are so hostile and aggressive towards other editors. Wikipedia is a volunteer work, no one is obliged to do anything, and no one can be blamed for not supplying suggestions. You are passionate about this issue, but for others it is a very marginal matter. There's always WP:SOFIXIT, which you are already doing (and rather well), but you cannot blame others for not sharing your enthusiasm. Cheers, Constantine   ✍  18:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Believe me I know how you feel: I am practically the only regular contributor in Byzantine-related articles, and am trying to maintain WikiProject Greece up and running single-handedly. I don't know what a "normal" editor is supposed to be like, but I rather feel like an overworked one with too many things that need my attention ;)... To the issue at hand, your tone was a bit harsh and it looked (to me at least) as if you were accusing people for their non-participation. There's no need to raise the tone in a conversation over such (in the end) rather trivial things as lists.  I'd also like WikiProject Greece members to participate more (read: even a little bit) in a couple of important project drives, but I cannot really complain if they choose to devote their energy elsewhere... It's their business what they do here, and the way things are, I have to be glad that they are active in WP at all. My point is, don't let frustration get to you. Trying to improve Wikipedia is a usually thankless job with only the occasional gratification and recognition. So buckle down and Keep Buggering On, as Winston would say. Constantine   ✍  23:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger/new article 

message: I've put the WWI detail into table form, to match the WWII information. Although it's just one name, I think visually it's better to have both sections in the same format.</br> 
Also, there's quite a lot of detail in the Notes column of the WWII guys; is it worth making stub articles for them? Xyl 54 (talk) 03:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  table, etc