Talk:Underoath

message: Could an admin or someone take that bit about all the members being Christian out of the lede, or at least reword it to specify that they're a self-confessed Christian band? Thanks. 205.200.18.71 (talk) 21:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is semiprotected, not protected. Please use  to request an edit be made. To your original suggestion: What would be the purpose of doing this? Intelligentsium 01:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because, as it is, the statement is useless. It's like saying that United States Congress is composed of humans of mixed racial background; relevant, but completely without use. Something like that doesn't belong in the lede. Saying that they're a Christian band, on the other hand, accomplishes a lot more. 205.200.18.71 (talk) 04:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: Though I possess no source to prove this, I would simply like to point out that Underoath's early work, particularly the first two albums, contain a very noticeable melodic black metal influence, arguably moreso than their more widely-known Melodic Metalcore elements, in terms of vocal style and instrumentation. Thus, I recommend adding "Melodic black metal (early)" in the genre list. 71.218.224.193 (talk) 22:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a source, this comment is totally pointless. Go find a source, then we'll talk. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither "metalcore", nor "post-hardcore" are sourced. By your logic, neither of those should be there either. 71.218.242.36 (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they are, both of them are! Go see the "style and influences" section for this article. • GunMetal Angel 05:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, you should probably pedantically remove both. Because the Versa to this Vice isn't happening. I like my logic better. Go find a source for them.  --King Öomie 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Allmusic is fine for sourcing, as is MusicMight, MTV or any print magazine or book (that may or not have a web presence) as long as it's not self-published. Bebo, Myspace, Facebook, blogs and webzines aren't good enough for WP:RS. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP adress was reading off of the "styles" in the allmusic sidebar for "alternative rock" and "Christian metal", we do what they say on the actual review or description for the band, the "styles" sidebar on allmusic cannot be used. Furthermore the overall consesus for Underoath's genre has already been reached, so this discussion is just utterly pointless. • GunMetal Angel 05:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic black metal 

message: Hello, under "old members" there is one "Simon Corey Steger" who really should be listed as plain old Corey Steger: there is NO SIMON in his name.  He played from 98-01, and he wrote 3 songs for "The Changing of Times" though he never got writing credits on the album.  Those songs he wrote don't sound like the other songs.  Also, after documentation marker number 15, the article says that fans were unhappy with the new sound direction of the band away from their previous sound--that was because Corey Steger had just left the band and he was the band's primary writer.  If you need more confirmation, I see Corey Steger everyday, and he can agree that this is accurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.33.247 (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: — You seriously see Steger everyday? Wow, get me an autograph! Lol. • GunMetal Angel 00:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old member name incorrect 

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message: The full title of the upcoming album is 'Ø (Disambiguation)' and not 'Disambiguation', as previously written. I don't know if the title was written incorrectly on purpose because Wikipedia uses (Disambiguation), but I have changed the 'Disambiguation' references to 'Ø (Disambiguation)', and added a new page for 'Ø (Disambiguation) (album)'.
Source: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=1943559&blogId=538739479
:We don't do funny spellings on here, also MySpace is not a source. Furthermore; it's their seventh album, not their fifth. Prooves how much you know how this site works, much less the band. • GunMetal Angel 14:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of how the article is titled, it's still too early for this album to have its own page. I will create a redirect in place of what you have started, as I have already done with Disambiguation (album). You are welcome to come back and edit the article once it meets the guidelines at WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Fezmar9 (talk) 14:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as how the article should be titled, there are some things to take into consideration. There is a wide variety of similar symbols (Ø, ø, ∅, 0/, \varnothing, ⌀) some of which cannot be generated easily, or at all, in an article title. We would need to confirm if Underoath is using a slashed zero, the Scandinavian letter, the symbol for an empty set or one of the other symbols. Some of these symbols also won't display properly on all browsers, which may hinder searching and reading. I imagine most publications won't bother trying to figure out how to generate the symbol, and just refer to the album as Disambiguation. But it's probably too early to guess the the article's commonname. Because 'Ø' is not on the standard English keyboard, I think the article should be titled Disambiguation (album) for searching purposes, with the  template placed at the top of the article. Articles linking to Disambiguation (album) could still pipe link as Ø (Disambiguation) if desired. Have I missed any guidelines or policies in my thought process here? Fezmar9 (talk) 19:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agree with Fez. Also regarding; the title being "Ø (Disambiguation)", somewhat violates MOS:TM. There's too many strikes & doubts against the title being "Ø (Disambiguation)", and I'm not even mentioning that it looks exactly like a Wikipedia disambig page. -- GunMetal Angel 19:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree that we should find out which character they're using and use that in the article. I suspect that it's the empty set character though. If it's an issue for searching and linking, we use a disambiguation page to redirect to the correct article title. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that was barely the case. -- GunMetal Angel 19:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: OK. Gunmetal what is the case? We're talking about searches and Wikipedia has a search facility. Articles are indexed by Google and other search engines and we're talking about how to use the band's title for the article and still have it be found by fans and other interested in the album. I don't know what you think this is about. Oh, and please stop undoing the edits that insert the apparently correct title. It's starting to become a problem, it's pretty close to WP:3RR for you (going on memory alone), and showing the page ownership you have displayed toward this article again. It's not productive. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: PS: Myspace is a source when it's about the subject itself. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, Wikipedia:Article titles states noting about using an Ø in the title, although it does discuss accents in the Special characters and formatting section. The closest is the Consider browser support sub-section. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain what you mean by "when it's about the subject itself"? Myspace is not a reliable source, at all. It's user submitted, the information could have come from anywhere, posted by anyone, and changed at any time. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 19:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:PRIMARY has changed since I last read it. It indicated that claims from a primary source may be used in reference to the source itself. So a musician may use their MySpace page to indicate an upcoming tour or an author may discuss details about a book. That's fair game. Self-published sources may not be used as secondary or tertiary sources: a fan of a band discussing an upcoming tour or a book club member discussing the plot of a book. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I think it would be a good idea, yes. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I dropped a comment yesterday, let's see if someone responds. Also, a user has made multiple articles for this album and I have been redirecting them to Underoath. I asked the user to stop on his talk page, and linked him here. This third and most recent one was Ø (Disambiguation). Just wanted to have a record here of these articles in one place so they can be properly redirected to wherever we decided the album page should go. This article follows Disambiguation (album) and Ø (Disambiguation) (album). Fezmar9 (talk) 19:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

text: There's already an article at Ø (Disambiguation) so you don't need to start one at Disambiguation (album). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifth album title 

message: Would anyone be opposed to removing this bulky 'Album appearances' table from the article? It seems superfluous to the cleaner table at List of Underoath band members. This section probably shouldn't be too detailed if a separate article exists for this information anyways. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer to have it in prose. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't really answer my question. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text:  I agree with Fezmar; the table at List of Underoath band members is neater, and this article could simply point to the list at the start of the relevant section. I don't think it'd be practical to put all that information into prose; a brief section about notable members of the band and a link to the full list page, is most appropriate. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neat isn't an issue. It's big and that's what Fezmar9 is requesting to have removed. using the timeline template might be a better choice. Less bulky, and still graphic. However, I tend to lean towards removing graphics and describing in prose the subject. It takes less time for the servers to render that way. I agree that removing the current table is a good choice. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ideally I think the band members section should briefly highlight (in prose, as Görlitz says) the main history of the band in terms of band members, and direct to the list of members as it does now. It's slightly redundant (as well as untidy) to have lists of band members here, with no expansion upon the subject, and also pointing to the list on a separate page, complete with a table representing the same data as here. I support removing the table, as well as the change I just described. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Expanding List of Underoath band members to something like List of Misfits band members is a novel idea, but not really what I was getting at here. I would just like to see a simple list of current and former members at Underoath#Band members and any further information (including a table) should be found at the separate article. Similar to the simple list of albums at Underoath#Discography and having a separate article at Underoath discography with further information. Essentially, List of Underoath band members and Underoath#Band members currently reflect the exact same information. If a separate article does exist, any information here should be brief. And yes, I find the table here ugly and unnecessarily large. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: not going to lie, i think that that table is really helpful and easy to read.  just my 2 cents. --Stevedietrich (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member table 

message: I was looking at the list of grindcore bands earlier, but I wanted to find some more bands to listen to, and I noticed that Underoath was on there. I've listened to every song from every album except Act of Depression and Disambiguition, which I've had on my iPod for about 3 months, and just haven't been in the mood to listen to yet. I've yet to hear a piece by them that has any grindcore influence, but that's just my opinion. I guess what I'm saying is that if more people agree with grindcore than those that don't, maybe we should add it to the genre list, and apparently the grindcore community considers it to be. That, or they don't really listen to grindcore, they're just looking up stuff on the internet and going by it. I personally think the grindcore list should only include legitimate grindcore bands, such as Napalm Death, Torsofuck, Wormrot, Pig Destroyer, etc. I've already posted it on the grindcore talk page, and I'm not even sure why I'm posting it here. But yeah, I fully agree with the genres that are already on there (christian metal, metalcore, post-hardcore). Especially post hardcore, they have alot of hardcore influence. I pretty much just wasted your time if you read this, because the issue's not really on this page, it's on the list of grindcore bands. I apologize for the inconvenience, I'm just bored. Thank you and goodbye for now.
:The Underoath listing is for the Define the Great Line album. If consensus feels one album is insufficient, feel free to remove the band from the list.
:P.S. Please remember to sign your post by typing for tilds "~~~~."--3family6 (talk) 17:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, had the wrong album above, it is now correct. I feel silly.--3family6 (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grindcore? 

message: Besides their old stuff, I don't see how they are metalcore, they don't play very much of what would be considered breakdowns, and their music is more heavily based around punk and pop than metal. And besides screaming, there is nothing really "hardcore" about them, so the metalcore label is pointless.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LarryTheDolphin (talk • contribs) 23:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Their old stuff is their stuff and so it's one of their genres. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metalcore? 

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Jesuswasmessengerofgod (talk) 16:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You could have just asked to change the genre. Not done unless you have a source for it--Jac16888 Talk 17:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Jesuswasmessengerofgod, 18 September 2011 

message: Underoath was not a black metal bands, it was a unblack metal band.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.103.94.210 (talk) 22:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but there is a general consensus on Wikipedia that there is no such thing as unblack metal as there are no reliable sources to support it as a genre. I have heard the term used, but we need a WP:RS for both the term and its association with Underoath. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there are plenty of sources for the term "black metal." But I haven't seen any that call Underoath that.--¿3family6 contribs 00:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black metal or Unblack metal? 

message: Post-hardcore and screamo are subgenres of hardcore punk and Underoath combines these musical elements with Christian music, that's why it's also a Christian hardcore band. (Read about "Christian hardcore") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.40.31.173 (talk) 20:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, but since both the Christian and hardcore nature of the band is covered extensively throughout the article, it would just be redundant to add that to the infobox genres (I assume that's what you were requesting).--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian metal and... Christian hardcore 

message: I suggest some changes in infobox:
Genre = Christian hardcore/metal, metalcore, screamo, post-hardcore, unblack metal (early years)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.23.163.30 (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What should happen is that a style section should be created and discussion of the band's style (not the style on individual songs) based on what has been written by reliable sources. Then, we can add a summary of that to the infobox. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe post hardcore is the main genre they play. I only think their early work and their newest stuff is metalcore. 
What do you think?
Ereuka (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: The third paragraph of this article says Underoath received two Grammy nominations, one in 2007 and one in 2010. This isn't true as they did not receive a Grammy nomination in 2010, they received a Dove nomination. When these nominations are mentioned later in the main article, as well as in the articles about the nominated albums, the nominations are referred to correctly, it's only in this one sentence. Could someone change this? Either to "They received a Grammy nomination in 2007..." or "They received a Grammy nomination in 2007 and a Dove nomination in 2010...". Thanks.
67.58.198.58 (talk) 21:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: Underoath is going to be touring with BMTH and Beartooth in the spring.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simplecocktails (talk • contribs) 23:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Bring Me the Horizon Tour to the most current section?  

message: In the "Post-break-up activities and reunion" section, the first sentence reads "In January 2015, the band and launched a campaign..." It should read "In January 2015, the band launched a campaign..." unless the band launched a campaign with someone else. 146.126.51.51 (talk) 15:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks for spotting the typo! — Iambic Pentameter (talk / contribs) 18:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: I think Christian Metalcore should be replaced with simply Christian rock as it incompasses all of the bands music snd the band doesn't only make Metalcore music. Dekai Averett (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Walter Görlitz I am not opposed to this because although metalcore is the best sourced genre, they have also been considered hardcore, post-hardcore, metal and emo and all of these are also rock genres. Either version works fine IMO.--MASHAUNIX 10:01, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

text: But "hardcore punk" is only part of metalcore. Entirely absent is any association with heavy metal. Why not generalize to extreme metal? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes but "extreme metal" has no association with emo, screamo, or post-hardcore. All of those genres are directly related to hardcore punk. Other pages are like this, such as the Converge and Alesana pages. Dekai Averett (talk) 22:00, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which is why metalcore is a good compromise. It encompasses the metal and punk aspects. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Metalcore shouldn't be mistaken as a catch all term for the continuum between Punk and Metal. If you look at the infobox genres, the best sourced ones, all of them are forms of Hardcore punk. We should focus on the best sourced genres. Metalcore is not a general term like Hardcore is. Metalcore is a distinctive style and unless the infobox genres can fit into that term or are related enough to fall under such a term. Dekai Averett (talk) 01:19, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hardcore punk is also a distinctive style, and the metal components of the band are not represented by that term. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What if we described them as a Post-hardcore band? Post-hardcore is a brroader term and can be applied to a multitude of mixtures of genres. Or even simply rock. Dekai Averett (talk) 03:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

text: That was the earlier consensus as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: Since Christian Metal and Christian Hardcore are only there to describe the Christian Metalcore sound the band makes could those be replaced with simply Christian Metalcore so Screamo can be added without clutter in the infobox. Dekai Averett (talk) 02:21, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the following are referenced: metalcore, hardcore, post-hardcore, emo and screamo. Five isn't too many. Christian metal isn't referenced. We should only include what's supported. Walter Görlitz (talk)
Christian Metal may be included because they played a style akin to Black Metal and Death Metal in their early days. Dekai Averett (talk) 02:53, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

text: The edit you made was fine. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: Underoath is no longer a Christian band.  So where it says “underoath is a Christian metalcore band should be removed “ 2600:1004:B04D:B232:B815:CA88:CC21:2886 (talk) 18:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  —  IVORK Discuss 23:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2018 

message: Hi everyone, I'm new here so I apologise if I've missed previous conversation on this topic. I think it is important to note that, while Underoath were a Christian band for most of their career, that's not the case with their most recent album 'Erase Me'. There's multiple interviews that back that up. For example, here's an interview Spencer did with triple j in Australia: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/short-fast-loud/underoath/9681850
And here's a quote from Spencer in that interview: "I think we’ve all grown up a lot and are able to say we don’t necessarily believe in a fairytale heaven and hell and those kind of things. What I retain from it; you know, it was some of the worst years of my life, being a part of that community."
I think there can be a way this page acknowledges the Christian influence on the band for most of its albums, while also clarifying that's not the case with their most recent work and the band has indeed turned its back on Christianity.Harrisonvc (talk) 04:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a particularly clear statement. I know lots of followers of Christ who do not believe in a "fairytale heaven and hell". If they come right out and state that they have rejected Christianity and no longer follow Christ, we'd have something to write about. A clear statement could be added to the Christianity sub-section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No longer a Christian band 

message: Under the Influences tag it says "Bassist Grant Brandell has explained that Underoath's music has been influenced by various bands such as Refused, At the Drive-In, Apple Not Asteroid, Jimmy Eat World, Isis and Radiohead." I've looked for this Apple Not Asteroid band and found little to no information about them, much less in relation to Underoath. The article that supposedly references this makes no mention of the band. It should be removed as an influence. 190.188.208.128 (talk) 16:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified influences 

message: In Underoath’s first two albums they were put under the categories of Death Metal and Black Metal. Should Extreme Metal be added into the list of genres to encompass these? Dekai Averett (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Black Metal should replace one of the genres in the list.  Once again, a group of retards assembled the list. 2600:1700:93B0:6B50:DE9:579F:9A69:4F05 (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should “Extreme Metal” be added to the list of genres? 

message: What a mess! I am seeing unaddressed maintenance tags that are over a year old and extremely under-covered sections dating back to when the band reunited in 2015. In addition, there are several uncited statements throughout; a few obvious ones, including at least one citation needed tag. This article looks emaciated for a "good article" in some cases. dannymusiceditor  oops  16:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can this possibly still be a GA? 

message: Tracklist to new album voyeurist:
Track List:
1. Damn Excuses
2. Hallelujah
3. I’m Pretty Sure I’m Out of Luck and Have No Friends
4. Cycle ft. Ghostemane
5. Thorn
6. (No Oasis)
7. Take A Breath
8. We’re All Gonna Die
9. Numb
10. Pneumonia Underoath838 (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles about musical artists have information about the band, their members, artistic style, live performances and recordings. However it is only on articles about those individual recordings that you would provide a track listing. If there is an article created about the new album Voyeurist then that's where it belongs. --10mmsocket (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Why don't you write the article about the new album yourself? Take a look at their other album articles (and the wikiproject links above) and just follow their lead. It's a great opportunity for you to learn. 10mmsocket (talk) 14:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Assuming the album currently meets notability criteria. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021 

message: It has recently been announced that rhythm guitarist James Smith has left the band. The main page is locked, so I cannot update it to include this new information. If someone can, please do so. RahyneManic (talk) 22:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Smith Departure 

message: Arguing over genres is a tale as old as time, and I personally don't really get the fuss. The situation seems to have exploded on that front, so I tried to bundle them all into a single reference. At first I considered bundling each genre into its own, but it seemed like some sources weren't as good as others. For instance, AllMusic/RhythmOne aren't the best sources, and Sputnik Music seems like a UG source? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a bad solution, but for this case, if it were up to me, I'd suggest something like Deftones uses. dannymusiceditor  oops  18:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's another possibility. I'm not sure what's better per se, but wow they have a lot of cited influences. I think it works well there since Underoath has 6 main genres cited with a couple sources for most. Deftones has over twenty with several citations for most of them. I could see how the way I did it wouldn't work for something like that article. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre citations