Talk:Names of God in Islam

message: I would ask you about the name of alsayed(السيد) why not present  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.16.7.193 (talk) 16:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I find it bizarre that the pronunciation preference of a few million Egyptian/Yemenis is preferred to that of the rest of the Islamic world. The Arabic letter Jim is overwhelmingly pronounced with the sound of J as in Jinn. Even in Eqypt the correct pronunciation is used. Change!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.29.163.248 (talk) 02:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Could I use the table in this article for a report, giving Wikipedia all due credit?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kikseo (talk • contribs) 03:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and you can read Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia to see how to cite the content.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permissions 

message: Not all the 99 names of God are mentioned in the Qur'an; thus, the article should be named: the 99 names of God in Islam.
Better: the 99 Beautiful Names of God in Islam, because that is the way they are referred to: (أسماء الله الحسني)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by EgyMinerva (talk • contribs) 23:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The title is still Names of God in the Qur'an in stead of The 99 Most Beautiful Names of God in Islam. Would that be the correct title for this page? Can we move this now? Wiki-uk (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I endorse this only on the condition that there is a cited reputable source that demonstrates this is the term used most commonly (as well as an etymological section on where this term came from) otherwise it smacks of POV and peacock terms. Also, how does this work with our naming conventions? Peter Deer (talk) 06:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On page 40 Islamic desk reference by E. J. van Donzel (a condensation of the subject-matter of "The Encyclopaedia of Islam) it is stated "al-Asma' al-Husna ("The most Beautiful Names"): the words indicate the 99 Names of God, which the pious Muslim repeats and on which he meditates, usually with the help of the 99 beads of the rosary (A. subha)...". Does that help? Wiki-uk (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: After giving this issue some more thought, I have made an entry on Wikipedia:Requested moves to move this page to Names of God in Islam. Wiki-uk (talk) 13:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  99 names in the Qur'an? 

message: Be warned, “He who has no knowledge of how to use a sword will injure himself.” There must be respect, care, and good intentions or an injury could occur ... This true story … Osman Baba repeated Ya-Qahhar (oh Destroyer) many times until he became obsessed by this Attribute. If he threw a piece of cotton at someone and it hit him, he would die. The people complained to Waliyuddin Kuddisa Sirruh who told them to take a piece of cotton and throw it back at the back of Osman. When it hit him he turned around and said, “Oh Waliyuddin, you have killed me”, and he died. The power was given to him by Allah because he repeated the Name. There are some who want something eagerly or impatiently and attempt to receive it by repetition of the Names without first knowing whether this would be good for them. They keep repeating without knowing. They keep saying I Want It. They do not say, “Allah, if it is good for me, let me have it.”
Page 11. ‘Ninety-Nine Names of Allah’ by Shems Friedlander and al-Hajj Shaikh Muzaffereddin ISBN 0-06-090621-9 Eekamou (talk) 13:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Caution

message: Hey, these names are frequently sung right? Can someone tell me more about this? Mallerd (talk) 19:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sung, they are recited - and placed in tune fashion either- to make listening to the names more interesting and to make learning the list easier or- because the Koran has rhyme and rhythm (and so they try to give rhyme & rhythm to the list when reciting it).User:Cs1kh (talk) 10:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.69.213 (talk) 12:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.69.213 (talk) 12:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: Just a note, Though they are called names and are translated as names, they are actually attributes of Allah (i.e. God is called Allah and has 99 attributes that explain who/what he is like - that is why the name 'Allah' doesnt appear in the list of 99).
If someone translates the 99 names, from Arabic to English, you will notice they are all attributes that a person can call 'Allah' by (e.g. one name when translated is "the merciful", when referring to God you can say 'Allah created Adam' or you can say 'the Merciful created Adam').
I think it should be stated that the 99 'names' are actually a list of attributes that god can be called/referred to by and that explain to Muslims what they should think of god as and the only actual name is 'Allah'. User:Cs1kh (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not quite names! 

message: Some mystics say there are a vast number of Names of God, e.g., the 12th Century Sufi  Ibn Arabi: ‘But regarding Reality [al-Haqq] as the Essence of All, all attributes whatever, transcendent and immanent, may be predicated of it. Ibn Arabi says: “He, may He be exalted is named by all the names of the objects of the phenomenal world;” “Glory be to Him who is ‘meant’ by all the attributes of the Godhead and created objects,“ “Our names are His Names,“ “He is called Abu Said al Kharraz“ etc. etc.’ Page 23. Extracts from The Mystical Philosophy of Muhyud Din Ibnul Arabi by Abul E. Affifi. ISBN 0-404-56205-1/ISBN 969-432-158-1/ISBN 9780404562052. Sadly   panentheism seems to be disapproved of by orthodox Islam Eekamou (talk) 23:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Names of Allah

message: Taqiyya is in everywhere now, right? المتكبر is so not "The Highest, The Greatest" المتكبر means Arrogant. المهيمن means Dominant not the protector.--41.234.227.202 (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Translation? 

message: The reference for ٱلْنَّافِعُ is given as 30:37 but the word does not appear in that ayah.Gujjar123 (talk) 14:43, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong reference for attribute An-Nāfīʿ? 

message: Please remove the sections starting "According to Bahá'í scholar ..." 
The information under these sections are irrelevant and incorrect I believe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sazakir (talk • contribs) 11:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The content is verifiable and germane, so it has a place in this article.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for removal of a Section. 

message: I get the impression that "name" appears to translate to only "proper name" and not "title" or "nominative attribute" in some other languages, including the native tongues of many of this article's readers.  "Name" appears to be too distinctive in other languages, while "attribute" appears too impersonal to my native-English mind.  There's been some hairsplitting over the issue, and I'm wondering if the situation can be fixed by changing the article name to "Epithets of God in Islam."  We would need to find sources to justify this change, and so far, I've found this one, this one, this one, and this one.
"Epithet" should cover the ground for both "name" and "attribute."  Are there any other suggestions?  Ian.thomson (talk) 16:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations on your search for sources, but I'd still be inclined to leave the title as it is. , as given in the article, actually translates as the beautiful names of God. I'm not sure of the relevance of your opening sentence; we're writing in English, and the English word "name" is well-established here and adequately covers the meaning. If you try googling, "99 names" gets millions of hits, "99 attributes" some thousands, and "99 epithets" hardly any. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 17:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly rename the article? 

message: All the Qur'an links I tried are dead. Yopienso (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links 

message: Apart from renaming the additional column "Type of Reference", I've added codes: D = Direct; V = derived from Verb; A = derived from Adjective (may change later to I = from Indefinite noun). Other categories may be added as they come up. Still a work in progress. What's your opinion, MezzoMezzo? So far, so good?--أخوها (talk) 02:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: أخوها, it seems good so far. The table is a bit intimidating and I was actually about to log off, but what's been done so far is good. Give me about 24 hours and I will try to log on and see what I can do to help finish the process. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to date: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam#List_of_names_of_God_as_found_in_the_Qur.27an List of names of God as found in the Qur'an]

message: All the names are pretty much accounted for in terms of the Qur'an, and I've come across what might be a good hadith reference for the names. It's a book called المقام الأسنى في تفسير الأسماء الحسنى and is written by الشيخ تقي الدين إبراهيم بن علي الكفعمي (ash-shaykh taqī ad-dīn ʾibrāhīm bin ʿalī al-kafʿami) who, according to the introduction, lived in the 9th century A.H.  The reference is nicely arranged with a handy index on the left side of the page, and explanations are lucid and not at all difficult to read.  The only thing is, I'm not sure if he is considered to be an authoritative source of hadith. I found an article in the Arabic Wikipedia, but I think it's about his father...
Also, not nearly as authoritative looking (and with no apparent author), there's a general guide to the names called كتاب المقام الأسنى في تفسير أسماء الله الحسنى.  In any case, I'll keep looking and also try to find out how authoritative al-kafʿami is.--أخوها (talk) 23:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: أخوها, I can't view the books as they're blocked here at work but I think the Arabic Wikipedia article is your man. Taqi ad Din is a nickname; the actualy author's name is Ibrahim bin Ali, the same as the guy on Arabic Wikipedia. I don't know him but if the book is from a recognized publisher then it should be fine. It would be a good place to start, at least. At home, I might be able to view it. Also at home, I have a study of the works of Ibn Arabi and I remember it includes a page where he lists the names according to him, so that could be used as an extra citation (two or three per name would be fine I think). I may or may not have the book by Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen in hard copy, I can check on that as well - he specifies what, in his opinion, is from Qur'an and which are from hadith so that could help with the hadith list. Not sure what to do about a list including names which appear in both. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Two or three hadith citations per name sounds really ambitious and would certainly enlarge the scope of this article. I'm not sure it's useful to maintain separate lists of what's in the Qur'an and what's in Hadith. I have deleted the Quranic reference to al-Mani' (because the reference given was not relevant at all to the word, and I couldn't find anything in the Qur'an that was relevant), and substituted a reference to al-Kaf'ami's explanation. Perhaps at this point it might be more useful to just change the column heading of "Quranic Usage" to "Qur'an/Hadith"and just substitute or add hadith references as they come up.  What do you think?--أخوها (talk) 21:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone can help us with any possible reformatting in the table, then I'm all for it. I'm still wary of being the first editor to try that. See, we have a "Qur'anic usage" column; we could just change that to "usage" but then there might not be enough space for references if it's one of those names in both sources. Won't there at least need to be an extra column? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we really need an extra column for hadith references, and I think the idea of changing the existing "Qur'anic usage" column title to just "Usage" is a very workable and practical idea. Adding in the Hadith sources (as I've done with "Mani'") is just a matter of the author of the source with a footnote to the book and the page. I think there will be plenty of room for both Qur'an and Hadith sources in the same column and it would look less cluttered than an extra column. Let me know if you think this is okay with you. Thanks.--أخوها (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I get what you're saying now. Since the sources might all just appear as numbers in brackets, it should all fit. Sorry for the lack of activity, I haven't been able to edit as much as usual lately. Everything is "tomorrow, tomorrow" so hopefully that tomorrow when I can edit for hours on end will come soon. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just about done --- possible hadith source 

message: I don't think that "Allah" should be included in the list. The word simply means "God" and it is not one of the names/appellations of God (Allah). There are several references at the bottom of the article which do not list "Allah"; adding the Koran as the reference is a textbook example of original research/synthesis, and Wikipedia - for obvious reasons - can't recursively use itself (including a different language edition of itself) as a reference. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of "Allah"

message: It's not clear where the list of names comes from. The article should probably faithfully reproduce one such list from a scholarly source, and cite it (unless we want to do a comparison of several such lists, as Arabic Wikipedia seems to do - note: I know no Arabic). - Mike Rosoft (talk) 05:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Table of names

message: There is a folk tradition that the hundredth and greatest name of God will be made known on the Last Day.  There is a further folk tradition that the camel already knows what the greatest name is, and just won't tell it, and that is why the animal always looks so smug and superior.  So, in Kim, Mahbub Ali says, "By the ninety-nine names of God, and by the hundredth that only the camel knoweth". J S Ayer (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Camel 

message: Names belonging to God would be sufficient, names used to call on God also, but Names of God is used when you want to say 'names of gods' when there is plural, and in the case of our universe this God in question is only One.  So God's names should be the title.  
When you say 'names of flowers' you don't say 'names of flower' or 'names of Jeremy' because Jeremy is already a name, so is God, God is God's name is english, or rather a translation of His name, as God is not a concept, He is a being, so these are His names which He chose to describe Him to us with.  Some of His names are also concepts like "Most Merciful" mercy is also a concept as it is God's name, and not a name of God, name belonging to God yes.  'of' none of you living humans really know what 'of' means, probably, there might be one.
so yes change this, this isn't shakespearean language, or Yoda's.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.248.173 (talk • contribs) 
:In English, "Names of God," is the same as "God's names," except that the focus is on the names.  If "names of God" is the singular, not the plural, and it's just as easy to pluralize "God's names" as "Gods' names."  "God's names in Islam" also implies that the names exist independent of Islam.
:Also, we have Names of God, Names of God in Judaism, Names of planets, Names of Germany, Names of China, Names of Japan, and many, many more. Site-wide consensus is that we go with "names of" if the article is about the names.  The phrasing isn't that unnatural for widely read English speakers. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  God's names  Title change 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Allah has many names, some are in Qur'an; some are in hadith and some are hidden.(from Sahih hadith)There are more than 135 known names of Allah. So the 99 number should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuhammadmalikabdulAziz (talk • contribs)  -- (moved from above by Iselilja (talk) 10:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  99 names 

message: A Mormon glassmaker has a project - he's doing an artwork for each of the 99 names: 99 Most Beautiful Names Project, 01-25. He's taking his time. So far - he's done 25. 
The link could be added the external links.
AllThatJazz2012 (talk) 10:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Mormon glassmaker has a project... 

message: As Salam al laekum,
I just saw that Al-Wali appears two times on this list (#77 Is the second time it's listed).
Any clarification on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you kindly in advance,
-Salim  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:CC00:2341:71A1:8FF5:F30B:478E (talk) 09:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Wali appears twice 

message: Hello all, 
I've rewritten the section on Theophoric names, to make it clearer, harmonise the transliterations, and remove the pieties like "SWT" and "Azza wa jalla" that are out of place. This section could use more (and better) sources, though. I hope that's okay!
:It was good work on your part, but I have reluctantly reverted it, because it seemed you also removed reliably sourced statements, and some of your writing seemed to have a slight religious point of view. I agree that the pieties should be removed. Let me think on this. It can always be reverted back. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking closer, I like your version better. I made some minor copyedits so as to avoid dictating a religious point of view in Wikipedia's narrative voice. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  This section mixes up theophoric names with similar names used for people. So for Example الرؤوف is confused with رؤوف and an example is given with the name of رؤوف مسعد. Likewise with Salam and AlSalam, etc. If these names were indeed theophoric they would have been "Abd al-X" rather than "X".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:9280:14A0:56B2:3FF:FE9B:9B23 (talk) 22:18, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theophoric names re-write 

message: You wrote in this article that there are 99 God in Islam. This is totally wrong conception and misguiding.  
Allah the all mighty has 99 names according to his characteristics he shows to the human, his creation and the earth. for instance '  Rahman' the name of his kindness 'Kahhar' means  he shows   cruelty when human do extreme wrong.  Shafiqur Mazumdar (talk) 10:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:   About 99 God in Islam? 

message: Hai 103.210.145.79 (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hai hai sa ka 

message: The list is based on a weak (daif) hadith from Tirmidhi (Vol. 6, Book 45, Hadith 3507). Authentic list of 99 names doesn't exist. And for example the name Saboor (الصبور) doesn't exist in the Quran nor in any authentic hadith. In all of the 3 verses where it supposedly is, the patience is actually mentioned as an attribute of the believers, never as a name of Allah. Flplf (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list is inauthentic 

message: Razzak 103.147.162.160 (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Razzak 

message: So can you tell me 2601:449:4700:F9A0:A06C:3C47:5D8C:836C (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are the 99 names of allah