Talk:Symphonic black metal

message: I believe Summoning is not a Gothic Metal band.. it is a "tribute" to Tolkien's literature, being largely inspired by LOTR (the original books, not the movies) : 23:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cradle of Filth is not Gothic Metal. Gothic Metal is not a mixture of 'Doom And Black' either. I suggest going and reading the Gothic Metal article before you make such foolish claims. Ley Shade 21:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Foolish is having Cradle of Filth in this article. They are Extreme Gothic Metal whether people want to accept it or not and I'm removing them.  12:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summoning

message: What the hell is Opeth doing here?! I agree they´re hard to classify in one specific genre, but... to call them Symphonic Black Metal is just not knowing nothing about anything at all. There's no symphonic metal elements to their music at all, much less black metal (excluding occasional riffs in their early albums). If anything, they're closer to Progressive death metal, yet this doesn't suit them either,althought that's not the point here.
I'm removing them form this list. They have absolutely NOTHING to do here.
# Likelightoflies 06:26, 04 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opeth

message: Too many mall tards confusing melodic with symphonic bm (and the other way around)... <-- Just some constructive criticism  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.74.21.43 (talk) 14:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We know, it gets pretty annoying. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  16:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: dude listen to catamenia theyre symphonic not just melodic... so u guys should stop removing them  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.20.38.127 (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just your opinion or point of view and what we say they are doesn't matter much. I think they're not and are just melodic black metal with a progressiveness about them in some songs. If there's a reliable source out there for them being classified as such then fine. Otherwise, listen to Emperor then come back to me. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  00:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Melodic is not Symphonic

message: I don't know if I should undo the latest edit that removed CoF from the list. Are there any sources claiming that it is or it is not symphonic black metal? Just thought we could decide it here so we could point people (in edit summary) to look here while reverting their edits. Nyme (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constant removal of Cradle of Filth 

message: im removing scandinavian death metal and gothic metal from the stylistic origins because the website dosnt say anything about those genres besides being related styles and nothing else  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.10.54 (talk) 04:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: stylistic origins

message: Metal archives link and Wikipedia page
This band seems to be one of the first incarnations of Symphonic Black Metal. Metal Archives calls them pioneers. I think they should be added. - Csehszlovakze (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. Just find a reference that passes WP:RS and add them! Note however, Metal Archives do not count as a reliable source. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obtained Enslavement 

message: Or a complete renovation. Is it just me or is this article almost completely just about gothic black metal? What the hell? It barely even talks about symphonic black metal at all. I concede that there is some relation in the styles, just as symphonic metal and gothic metal are closely related, but they are not the same. Gothic black metal should have its own article. This article doesn't even talk about how this style developed. It came from Emperor. They were the first of this style. Always have been. Yet this article barely mentions them. As it stands now this is a complete shit article. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 09:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs deletion... 

message: Not anything like symphonic black metal. This is well known. However, after losing a member at one point they DID play symphonic black metal on ONE album. Not sure if that actually warrants the band being in this list. However, when I tried to add that piece of info, I've been told that things like that aren't added to a list. Not sure where that rule came from exactly. Aesthetically speaking I can see how my edit might not be pleasing as it does kind of lopside the list format. However, I still think the aforemtioned info is important. Maybe I could put a symbol in the list and put the info down below? Thoughts on how this info can be added so everyone is happy? Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. As much as I like Blackmetalbaz, I found out that what I'm talking has precedent. See List of folk metal bands. Their is no rule against such a thing, though I may word it differently. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carpathian Forest 

message: Symphonic black metal was coined in the early '90s, while on the other side symphonic metal was somewhere more closer to the mid '90s, so it can't possibly be a combination of black metal and symphonic metal because at that time, when symphonic black metal was coined there was no symphonic metal. If you want a source for this, look at this article, and than look at the symphonic metal article, there's nothing more to prove.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.24.182 (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symphonic metal is not the sylistic origin for symphonic black metal. 

message: Has anyone even looked at Encyclopedia Metallum? I have found it pretty reliable Darkgamma (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with Encyclopedia Metallum is that it is a user-generated wiki. This automatically disqualifies it from being reliable.--¿3family6 contribs 12:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Source