Talk:Tanghulu

message: This article should be moved to Tanghulu (proper Wikipedia capitalization).  Badagnani 02:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What you're proposing has nothing to do with capitalization, but the division of words. Can you please link to the relevant MoS entry to support your proposal, and also provide some evidence? Google gives about twice as many results for "tang hu lu" as for "tanghulu". Thanks. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 22:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the quick reply. I'm not familiar with Pinyin conventions, but my knee-jerk monolingual anglophone reaction is to favour the two-word version: tanghulu  looks like it would be pronounced like "tan-ghulu" due to English pronunciation conventions, and I assume tang hulu isn't. That being said, Google prefers the three-word variant over the one 2:1, with the two-word being a minor blip. I'd like to see some support for the one-word variant being the most common usage in English (per WP:UE) over the three. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've moved the page to Tang hu lu, per the above discussion, and per WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME. -GTBacchus(talk) 10:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: *Move to Tanghulu. Badagnani (talk) 06:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: *Move to Tanghulu. Badagnani (talk) 00:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: *Move to Tanghulu. Badagnani (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: Why was this page just moved to "bingtanghulu" (not the most common name in English)? Badagnani (talk) 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[tanghulu]] 

message: Why was this page just moved to "Tang hu lu" without prior discussion?
Google search results:
*"Tang hu lu" = 779 hits
*"Tang hulu" = 1800 hits
*Tanghulu = 2,720 hits
Please don't continue to move pages before engaging in thoughtful and careful discussion (leading to consensus), as asked several times previously. Thank you for this consideration.
Badagnani (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because "tang hu lu" is the best possible way to romanize the term. Before you start bringing up irrelevant discussions like this, make you understand other people can make bold edits and can sometimes have a better understanding of Chinese. It is clear from your userpage that you know very little about the language in question. For such small numbers of Google hits, it shouldn't be brought up either and should never be the sole choice of "consensus". Your failure to participate in these discussions also may very well be a reason why moves are not discussed beforehand. GraYoshi2x►talk 01:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Just call it Glazed fruits. 213.142.97.106 (talk) 23:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Leave out the dramatized exaggerations. This is not "very wrong" nor is it violating any of Wikipedia's "conventions". (People have complained about these exaggerations on RFC, just so you know). The fact is this candy isn't even talked about in English, and just because it has a few more blog post hits does not mean it is "not commonly used". In fact, this the correct way to romanize the subject so there should be no reason to complain. GraYoshi2x►talk 22:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Google is a search engine, not some kind of tool of magical wisdom. Just because it can find links to a few more blog posts and Flickr photos does not mean it is a "common romanization." Please come up with another PROPER reason why it should be moved back, and then we'll talk moving. In addition, look at your Google search tags. Why is "China" even included as a search term? Not all people write "China" somewhere in their blog post/site page/whatever just because it's a Chinese candy. Do not assume everyone is identical and use the exact same style and manner of writing as you or maybe somebody else.  GraYoshi2x►talk 01:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: There is little need, if any, for "thoughtful, considered discussion" on a page move that is undisputed by everyone except maybe you. Such unneeded requests can be found quite irritating and people have already posted complaints about these issues on your RFC. And please stop with the Google search results. They are handy for a few quick checks but the measly number of search results (probably influenced by Wikipedia/Wiktionary's wording) makes it irrelevant for all intents and purposes. GraYoshi2x►talk 01:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Google is rarely used in such situations where there are few hits (less than maybe 10,000). I am sticking to the guidelines as strictly as possible, as it is Chinese we're discussing here, not some most commonly used English spelling. When there's no clear margin for any search result (which is not commonly used in the first place), we stick to correct romanization and spelling. GraYoshi2x►talk 01:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I have explained everything to you, and you have exhausted every last good reason out of me. I have certainly not 'guessed' (a word that I deem slightly offensive given the thought I put into this move) the title as I actually have an understanding of Chinese, whereas you seem to have very little. Instead of recklessly imposing this opinion on others without actually reading what other people have to say, try thinking this through and consider opinions on all sides. In such a case, ignorance is not bliss. GraYoshi2x►talk 02:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I have repeated again and again that it is clear that you lack fluency in Chinese. Tang hu lu is the correct way to romanize the term and Chinese is not Japanese, where you can combine several syllables and it would still be correct. So why do you continue these constant unneeded arguments? Your behavior is not helpful to this project either (as detailed in your RFC and right here on this page). Stop with the dramatizations and snide comments. GraYoshi2x►talk 00:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: "Hu lu" does not literally mean "bottle gourd"  in "tang hu lu" either so your argument doesn't make sense either way. Anyways, I'm done here. I've tried countless times to explain to you that names of food are names, like the way English has the phrase "hot dog". GraYoshi2x►talk 00:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I find it ironic that your evidence is a dictionary entry while I am actually fluent in the language. "Hu lu" does not literally mean "bottle gourd" in this context. I suggest you reread what I said as I made it very clear. GraYoshi2x►talk 04:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: This discussion is getting nowhere, and my patience is being exhausted as you are not reading what I have to say. Let's just end this. GraYoshi2x►talk 23:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move without prior discussion

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support per WP:NC-CHINA: "In general, Chinese entries should be in Hanyu Pinyin" and pinyin rules call for nouns, including prefixes, to be written as one word (see the first three sections of this).  The current title is incorrect pinyin and even appears to be less common than the correct form.  —  AjaxSmack  05:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Saying you can find tanghulu at Wangfujing is like saying you can buy hotdogs on Broadway in New York.  You can, it is true.  But tanghulu is hardly special to Wangfujing. Colin McLarty (talk) 01:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Should the article name Wangfujing?

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Online Communities

message: May well be, that it is known in China as Tanghulu. But I'm from Europe and sugar glazed fruits with or without a stick (which is different then candied fruits) are also well known here. I bought them as a child at special occasions (like All Saints Day - Allerheiligen here in Vienna) from street vendors. A similar treat are so called Love apples - glazed whole apples on a stick. Also modern refined white Sugar and confectionery with it was invented in Europe - just saying. 213.142.97.106 (talk) 23:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin