Talk:Black and tan

message: There were two sections in the article that seemed to suggest that black and tans are not drunk in Ireland. This is incorrect. During the summer months stout drinkers often have a black and tan as an alternative to Guinness. Even tough hitorically the Black and Tans would have been considered in a very bad light, it is by no means offensive to order a black and tan in a pub. 
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I have never ever heard of a black and tan as a drink and I'm a 34-year-old Irishman, not unaccustomed to the inside of a pub, and neither has anyone I have asked. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.8.116 (talk) 00:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have never seen anyone order one in Ireland as well. The name is still offensive anyway in certain parts of Ireland but apart from that I still don't think anyone in Ireland would order it. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Black and Tans in Ireland

message: While the mixture may indeed be delicious, that is an opinion, something that doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia. And thus, I removed it.DannyBoy2k 19:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delicious 

message: Isn't there an alternate Irish name for this drink, to avoid connotation with British counterrevolutionary troops?  brain 03:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Irish name 

message: A Snakebite_(beer_cocktail) is not stout and cider, it's lager and cider.  I fixed this, as well as fixing the attached snakebite link to point to the page on beer cocktails instead of a page about reptile venom.  Coincidentally, said page on beer cocktails also points out that referring to a stout/cider mixture as a snakebite is incorrect. Garyfoster 15:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Black&TanBeer.jpg

message: :Note: the layering is often mistakenly attributed to the fact that Guinness is partly carbonated with the lighter nitrogen gas but this theory is disproved by the fact that Black and Tans were around long before Guinness started putting nitrogen into stout.
This implies that the Black and Tans served before Guinness started serving nitro-keg Guinness in 1961 were layered. Were they?  If this statement were true, it would seem to imply that you could make a Black and Tan with stout dispensed with CO2 alone, yet this article acknowledges that the 'draught' (aka nitro-keg) product is required. Also it is wrong to say "partly carbonated" with nitrogen. Dforest (talk) 07:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious statement 

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message: When I was in college, the common way to prepare one of these was to fill a shot glass with the light beer, then while holding the shot in one hand, place the larger glass upside-down over the shot, and then flip them both over, so the shot ends up upside-down inside the larger glass.  You then fill the rest of the glass with the dark to finish it.  The light beer then slowly seeps out from the shot glass to produce the layered effect.  I don't know how common this practice is, but everybody I knew at school used that method.  Is it worth a mention?  I don't know any official source for this other than personal experience. Lurlock (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot-flip method 

message: Why should these American companies care what Irish people think about the name of their product? The entry on this point is biased and should be more balanced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.121.118 (talk) 00:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish controversy with the "Black and Tan" 

message: "In Ireland, the name of the drink is believed to be a reference to the mis-matched and dirty uniforms of the freedom fighters of western Ireland of the 19th century. When stout was limited, the soldiers would cut it with lager. It is typically made by floating a half pint of Guinness or Murphy's stout atop a half pint of Harp or other Irish lager in a fluted or straight-sided pint glass."
This is mainly nonsense. The reference was to the black and tan of the RIC volunteers. Lager was VERY rare in Ireland until the latter part of the 20th Century, and probably correspondingly MUCH more expensive than stout. Harp lager did not exist before 1960. Plingsby (talk) 10:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's utter crap, but welcome to Wikipedia. It's a miracle that it doesn't say it's a traditional Boston or New York drink and dyed green. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to the article, more research can be done within the Guinness Brewery history since Black and Tan is a half and half of Guinness Stout Beer and a pale or lager beer. I will also search the history of the different types of beers in Ireland and also verify an association in half and half Black and Tan drinks since the start of the Guinness business in 1759.R0d0f0t0 (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut with Lager? 

message: The 'Variations' section has been tagged as unref'd since July, and the content in that state for considerably longer. I'll allow a short time for references to be provided, but intend removing any and all claims not backed up by reliable sources. Original research is a no-no. RashersTierney (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced section

message: I integrated the controversy section into the history section because I felt that it was compromising the neutrality of the article and giving undue weight to the situations discussed in it. Happy to discuss my reasoning further if other editors have questions. 60clawsand20paws (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section 

message: When I was studying at a Scottish educational establishment in the 80s, a "black and tan" was just a bottle of stout poured into a pint and topped up with ale and thus mixed rather than layered. GraemeLeggett (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Always layered? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved as requested  Mike Cline (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Black and Tan →  – "Black and tan" is not a proper noun in this context and does not need capitals. I'm assuming they're there because of the false belief that the drink's name derives from the Black and Tans; in actual fact, it predates the formation of the RIC Reserves by at least forty years, and simply refers to the contrasting colours of stout and ale. Zacwill (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Requested move 17 March 2022