Talk:Peter Griffin/Archive 1

message: User:B-101 added a line about Peter having a sex change, which I removed.
I think I know what episode he's talking about, but I'm pretty sure it was meant as a throw-away gag. Just about every other flashback of Peter's past seems to indicate that he was born male (e.g., when his life flashes before his eyes in "And the weiner is" Cromulent Kwyjibo 28 June 2005 21:30 (UTC)
Look, in the recent new episode on FOX, Peter says that he remembers when he became a man. Then, there's a flashback where a doctor says "the operation was a success" and "what do you want to go by now?". Then he says he wants to go by "Peter". That's where I got the impression that he had a sex change.- B-101 29 June 2005 00:46 (UTC)
:Oh, that's right, it's from a recent episode. I still think it was meant as a throw-away. Cromulent Kwyjibo 29 June 2005 18:14 (UTC)
::We have every right to be annoyed when Data's cat Spot changes gender for no reason. But on Family Guy, it's different.
::We can put flashbacks into two categories depending on their effect on continuity: binding and non-binding. We call a flashback binding if the writers make an effort to follow its continuity in subsequent episodes, and non-binding if the writers ignore it. An example of a binding flashback is when Peter meets Lois at Cherrywood. Later episodes obey that continuity and elaborate it. An example of a non-binding flashback is Lois as a young girl shown as a circus freak. No episode afterwards refers to that.
::So when it comes to Peter's sex change flashback, it doesn't fit with other flashbacks of Peter's past. He's always been a man in those flashbacks. For a comedy, it would be too much work to try to make the sex change flashback fit into Peter's back story. Of course, the writers could simply ignore all the continuity so far and write Peter a new back story, one in which he was born a woman. But we'll just have to wait and see if the writers take that route. Robert Happelberg 29 June 2005 21:08 (UTC)
:::its a cartoon for crying out loud! besides, everyone knows Peter can't tell the diffrence between his life story and whatever movie he watched last night.
::::He does have a point there, guys. :D Kakashi-sensei 03:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter's sex change 

message: It seems like the section comparing Peter to other cartoon dads is actually comparing the cartoon shows. Maybe we should move it to the Family Guy page? Reub2000 1 July 2005 03:36 (UTC)
:That might be a good idea. Cromulent Kwyjibo 1 July 2005 19:53 (UTC)
::I've given this more thought, and I think only the show-level comparisons should be moved. The article has both character-level comparisons (both Peter and Homer are fat) and show-level comparisons (both Peter and Hank have a friend who lusts after their wives). Cromulent Kwyjibo 00:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move comparison to Family Guy page? 

message: Can someone add this to the article or edit it as they see fit? I got this idea from the Family Guy newsgroup, in a discussion comparing homer simpson and peter griffin.
* the usenet post
Comparing Peter Griffin to other cartoon characters is ill-informed because the character is an exaggeration of the all-american dad. Before Homer Simpson there was Archie Bunker, Ralph Kramden etc....
In summation, Peter Griffin is based on the general stereotype of an american dad etc....
:If the comparison is ill-informed, it would be better to just delete the whole comparison section of the article. Robert Happelberg 18:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I think about that "ill-informed comparison" spiel the more it rubs me the wrong way. To put it in and keep the "ill-informed comparisons" seems to be saying "Yeah, it's ill-informed but we'll make the comparisons anyway." To put it in and delete the comparisons would be saying "All you who worked on compiling these comparisons, you were wasting your time, just because one person thinks so." Cromulent Kwyjibo 20:35, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He definitely bears reminiscence to Ralph Kramden, but more in his voice and portliness.  He is less mean than Ralphie boy. Dogru144 18:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Griffin based on other cartoon characters? 

message: Is Peter still a fisherman.  I know he used to work in a toy factory but that he was fired.  At first i thought that it was like the Simpsons where each episode starts off, not acknowledging the effects of any past episodes.  But then I realised that I hadn't seen him in the toystore since the episode where he got fired.  Also, a friend of mine said he'd seen Peter near a bunch of boats in the begining of one of the episodes of the  new season.  So is he still a fisherman or what.  Someone must know.
:Yes, he has been a fisherman since the Season 3 episode "A Fish Out of Water". In the most recent episode, "The Perfect Castaway", we learn that he's still a fisherman, though not a very successful one. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Peter a Fisherman 

message: Where did that come from?--Princess Homestar
:The second season episode "Peter Peter Caviar Eater" Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Has it got something to do with the Löwenbräu brand of beer? As a joke, perhaps? In the Spanish dubbed version of that chapter Peter was dubbed as saying "Heineken" (or "von Heineken", I can't remember exactly) instead of "Lowenbrau".--213.60.6.54 15:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lowenbrau? 

message: My god are you guys taking this show too seriously. I mean you're actually saying that Peter may have been replaced by a robot or had a sex change. Have any of you ever heard of a joke? It's not a Soap Opera, it's Family Guy -- Anonomous
UHAUHAHUAUHUHA yeah man you're right! people here in wikipedia use to do these things...it's so stupid. and another thing! peter is just a homer simpson's kitsch. fact.
Here's another fact:  Anonomous doesn't mean a thing to the history page. PrometheusX303 04:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Yeah.   You're right.  Family Guy is full of throw-away jokes.  Little of the plot actually carries from one episode to the next. PrometheusX303 13:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who says "little of the plot actually carries from one episode to the next" is seriously underestimating and disrespecting the effort that the writers put into continuity. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're joking, right?  Yes, some plot points are carried through: Peter's job situation, for one.  But some are only used for one episode. Prometheus-X303- 14:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch one of the episodes with the commentary. You might not be so eager to belittle the continuity of the show afterwards. ShutterBugTrekker 21:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've removed some of the "one-time jokes" (or at least the ones I don't think will ever get elaborated in any future episodes. But if that happens for any one of the points I've removed, then it can be put back in with my blessing). Cromulent Kwyjibo 00:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. The article reads like a list of every throwaway gag ever done in the series. Nobody seeking encyclopedic information on Peter Griffin is going to be able to parse useful information from the one-off jokes. Peter's main character traits are that he is fat; boorish; lecherous; generally stupid, coming up with hair-brained schemes; married to Lois, father to Meg, Chris and Stewie, 'owner' of Brian; and arguably a Homer Simpson analog. We don't need to know about the one episode where he played the piano, or couldn't understand a cartoon, or couldn't live without TV even though these traits are never mentioned again. 70.53.122.234 05:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: You've listed a counterexample to your own argument. Peter still can't live without TV, even though the extreme of his dependency hasn't been shown since that first season episode. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the episodes where he's standed on a life raft or in the jungle or anywhere else he couldn't watch TV. But you are missing the point. Take a step back and read the article -- it is a classic example of failing to see the forest for the trees. All the article really needs is a sentence or two under the heading "Throw-away character traits", conveying something like "Because of Family Guy's gag-driven format, the show frequently ignores continuity between episodes. Peter has often displayed character traits that propel the plot and humour of a single episode and are never seen again, such as an extreme addiction to TV or the ability to become a musical virtuoso when drunk." It's actually notable that Family Guy embraces this style of humour. It's not notable that in episode xyz Peter dressed up as a clown in Vietnam and this "may have been a joke" (given he would have been about 15 when Vietnam ended, what do you think?) Caradhras 06:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And you need to give the show more credit for continuity. They actually do a pretty good job and turn in a funny show most of the time. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking too seriously 

message: Just a few off the top of my head. ShutterBugTrekker 22:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot points carried through several episodes

message: Does anyone know the origin of the name Peter Griffin?
:That's a very good question. The only thing I can think of is "Pea-tear Griffin" from the episode Brian went to rehab. I can't recall Seth MacFarlane mentioning it in any of the DVD commentary tracks. Cromulent Kwyjibo 00:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name origin 

message: Some of the quotes need checking.  
*There are different versions on the web, but some of them are only found in this article, which makes me think they are too different from the original.
*Some of the quotes (such as "I am out of shape") aren't really notable without context. Prometheus-X303- 14:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on both of these points. Ideally quotes should be straight off the English audio track. Quotes from the English subtitles are still acceptable, and quotes from English closed captioning a little less so. ShutterBugTrekker 22:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Has any one noticed that in the episode "Untitled Griffin Family History" that when Peter tells the story of his Black ancestor Nate Griffin that the woman he choose to have children with is Lois Laura-Bush-Lynne-Cheney-Pewterschmidt, undoubtly one of Lois's ancestors.  SO doesn't this mean that Peter and Lois are related to each other.  Nate Griffin also mentions to Peter in a vision sequence during the episode "Peter Griffin:  Husband Father...Brother?" that he did Peter's Great grandmother and her hot sister.  PhoenixPrince 19:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter's ancestry 

message: If he was born in 1959 or 1960 how he could participate in the Vietnam war?
:A classic throwaway. PrometheusX303 13:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam war 

message: Shouldn't "job" be "occupation"? PrometheusX303 20:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info-box 

message: In an issue of Entertainment Weekly, Peter's mom is named Thelma, not Rose. I also placed it in her article discussion, but I placed it here so it'll be easier to notice -posted 9/16/06
:The misunderstanding could be because in "Holy Crap" Francis Griffin said of her, "Aye, she's a rose." Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter's Mom 

message: In one of the recent Family Guy episodes, the doctor mentions that Peter was born in July "But now onto the cancer...you are a cancer right? You were born in July?" Is this concrete?
Never mind...it's in the article. Sr13 06:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: When Griffin was born

message: Does anyone know why Peter's chin looks like a ballsac? Arthur Fonzarelli 23:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's called a cleft... Mattjblythe 22:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does his cleft look like a ballsac? Arthur Fonzarelli 03:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because thats how it's drawn. And it's funny. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stu42 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chin

message: Where could anyone possibly get that idea from? :S Mattjblythe 22:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter's a liberal? 

message: Peter gives his middle name in the episode "Peter, Peter, Caviar Eater". — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name 

message: Maybe there should be a reference Peter Griffin appearing on a Halloween Treehouse of Horror episode of The Simpsons. 67.120.76.84 30 November 2006
:Ah yes, "Treehouse of Horror XIII." Cromulent Kwyjibo 00:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter on The Simpsons 

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thread_title: Assessment comment