Talk:Oscar Peterson

message: "which clearly shows that Peterson's age limits his technical powers." - isn't that, without an attribution, a bit too judgemental for an encyclopedic article?  - davidswelt
What does 'M%$# F*%$#' stand for?
Did you know that Glenn Gould admired Mr. Peterson - in one of his letters he refers to it. One Canadian pianist to another.
Is there some reason the last edit removed the second and third paragraphs? I don;t care if you edit anonymously, but it would be nice to know why a major change like that has been made. John FitzGerald 01:28, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no reason was supplied I have restored the two paragraphs. John FitzGerald 01:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: Jazz pianist - that was his entire professional career, a great career. He was one of the best pianists who professionally played jazz music, from boogie-woogie to ballads. He also accompanied some great jazz singers. His 200 jazz recordings are very uneven in perfomance quality; some are great, some are not. 
However, calling him one of the best of ALL pianists would be wrong in many ways. He never recorded serious classical piano concertos by Franz Liszt, or Tchaikovsky, or Sergei Rachmaninov on professional level with a full symphony orchestra. The lack of classical repertoire is a tough fact that does not allow even to discuss comparisons of his level of piano playing with serious classical pianists of top caliber, such as Martha Argerich, Mitsuko Uchida, Artur Rubinstein, Andre Watts, Vladimir Horowitz, Sviatoslav Richter, Sergei Rachmaninov, Van Cliburn, Murray Perahia, Maurizio Pollini, Claudio Arrau, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, Emanuel Ax, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Lang Lang, Arcadi Volodos, Daniel Barenboim and many more. 
Peterson himself admitted that he never reached the quality of piano playing of his jazz model, Art Tatum. Other great pianists in jazz were Duke Ellington, Bill Evans, and more. Today we can hear such excellent jazz pianists as McCoy Tyner, Dave Brubeck, André Previn, Shelly Berg and Benny Green, as well as Adam Makowicz, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, and other top players. Young virtuoso Eldar Djangirov delivered some outstanding performances compared by many to Oscar Peterson, whom he calls a model, as well as Art Tatum.
Oscar Peterson was one of the greatest pianists in jazz.
His jazz trios, and some performances during 50s - 80s as accompanist, were very nice. Regards. Steveshelokhonov 07:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the reference for that assertion. Allmusic.com's Scott Yanow explicitly calls him "one of the greatest piano players of all time". This is sufficient to say that Peterson was considered to be one of the greatest piano players of all times. AecisBrievenbus 14:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

text: That doesn't change the fact that a reliable and relevant source considers Peterson to be one of the greatest piano players ever. Not one of the greatest jazz piano players ever, but one of the greatest piano players. Period. The background of Scott Yanow is irrelevant. AecisBrievenbus 15:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. He is one of the best pianists of all time. NO WHERE in the article does it say that he is one of the best amongst classical pianists, but of ALL pianists. It's taken straight from the article, therefore it shouldn't be removed. Blackjays1 (talk) 03:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The concept of an all-time best is meaningless. One person's greatest is another person's mediocrity. One critic may judge by technical ability and another by emotive  capacity. It should be removed, not because Peterson wasn't excellent, which I think he was, but because it is an absurdity. Scott Yanow's opinion is worth no more than yours or mine. Nicmart (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Quite agree with what you say, Andy. I strongly advise that you to get a user account and start editing. I must say, however, that I sometimes find the term "jazz" almost as non-descriptive as "classical". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Jazz pianist

message: I have added the Oscar Peterson postage stamp to this page.  It should be usuable under canadian crown copyright and even American Laws since this page is actually talking about the stamp. Dowew 18:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  postage stamp 

message: Hey Everyone!!!!
Go to youtube.com and see classic video of Oscar in action.  Better hurry - too good to be true, and they'll probably take the videos down soon!!!
Almighty2001 23:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

message: The article is missing a videography of all his movie and TV appearances 2607:FEA8:10E0:1C00:9D5:EFB8:3EF9:3FA0 (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Videography

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message: Yes, it's true, O.P.'s cuts on MPS are brilliant and he considered them to those of his records he loved the best.
However, when you follow the link on the MPS letters, then you find an explanation for the abbreviation of MPS to be
"Music Production of Stuttgart".
This is absolutely wrong.
The correct meaning of MPS is "Musik Produktion Schwarzwald" (translated: Black Forrest Music Production)
and the location of the studio was in the house of SABA-coowner Hans-Georg Brunner-Schweer in Villingen-Schwenningen,
approx. 100 miles south of Stuttgart.
::Good detail. That was in the Schwarzwaald area in Baden-Wurtemberg. Peterson lived in Germany for months during the 70s and 80s, he was a regular player at various European jazz festivals then.Steveshelokhonov 06:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oscar Peterson on MPS records 

message: Assuming that the Ray Charles quote:  ' Oscar.... is a mother-fucking piano player ' is accurate, its wholly inappropriate for the bio on Peterson.  While Ray prob. meant it to be laudatory, it assumes a derogatory tone in an otherwise good article about this amazing person, and I propose the quote be removed from the article.  There are certainly going to be other more interesting quotes available on or by Oscar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.3.176 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a most appropriate quote. It is clearly enthusiastic in concept and how jazz people really talk. Please sign your comments, btw. Bellagio99 (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The words mother fucking aren't always used in a derogatory manner. In this case, Ray Charles was basically saying "Oscar Peterson is an outstanding piano player." I think it should stay since it's not disrespectful. Blackjays1 (talk) 17:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Such words of praise and recognition are special and fully respectful when coming from Ray. Keep the good line. Don't degrade Wikipedia to the level of PG-13 movies.Steveshelokhonov 05:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, but for a time it was almost the only quote about him and I think that was a mistake. I think there are other statements concerning him that are just as notable. Like Herbie Hancock saying he was "the major influence that formed my roots in jazz piano playing" or Eldar Djangirov calling him "my main artistic influence." (To show the multi-generational and international range of his influence)--T. Anthony (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great comment by the great Ray about the great Oscar Peterson. Yes, there are many more comments by pianists who were influenced by Peterson, like Shelly Berg, Benny Green, and Adam Makowicz, among others. But this Ray's line is really jazzy. Steveshelokhonov 18:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes. Athough I don't use that word myself I felt the quote was quite appropriate and well-placed.--T. Anthony (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate quote 

message: :I think it is a most appropriate quote. It is clearly enthusiastic in concept and how jazz people really talk. Please sign your comments, btw. Bellagio99 (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The words mother fucking aren't always used in a derogatory manner. In this case, Ray Charles was basically saying "Oscar Peterson is an outstanding piano player." I think it should stay since it's not disrespectful. Blackjays1 (talk) 17:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Such words of praise and recognition are special and fully respectful when coming from Ray. Keep the good line. Don't degrade Wikipedia to the level of PG-13 movies.Steveshelokhonov 05:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, but for a time it was almost the only quote about him and I think that was a mistake. I think there are other statements concerning him that are just as notable. Like Herbie Hancock saying he was "the major influence that formed my roots in jazz piano playing" or Eldar Djangirov calling him "my main artistic influence." (To show the multi-generational and international range of his influence)--T. Anthony (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great comment by the great Ray about the great Oscar Peterson. Yes, there are many more comments by pianists who were influenced by Peterson, like Shelly Berg, Benny Green, and Adam Makowicz, among others. But this Ray's line is really jazzy. Steveshelokhonov 18:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes. Athough I don't use that word myself I felt the quote was quite appropriate and well-placed.--T. Anthony (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I disagree

message: Kind regards from Germany on Christmas eve,
the day after O.P. passed away unfortunately!
Karl-Heinz Bendix......
I join you here for a heartfelt tribute from England , possibly in the
wrong place but what is the internet if not to bring people
together at such times?  A wonderful gentle man of free spirit and peace.  
--Andrew
A major loss to the world of jazz.  They broke the mold when they made Oscar.    His style never changed in all the years he performed—and it didn't need to change.  He got it right the first time!
BDD (talk) 04:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regards 

message: The first sentence states that he was a "jazz pianist, singer...", but I don't think I can fully agree with that. Are there any notable songs or albums which he actually sings on? Blackjays1 (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are. He sang on 1965 tribute album to Nat King Cole. Also here and there he sang his own songs, and standards as well. Another album with his voice: Oscar Peterson - Romance  (Label: Polydor, 1990).  Steveshelokhonov 08:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Singer??

message: I love Oscar Peterson, his 50s trio and his 70s solo piano works are great, still other jazz pianists of his time were no less great: Art Tatum, Bill Evans, Duke Ellington to name just a few. However, outside of the narrow specialty, such as jazz piano, there are quite many supreme pianists in Canada and in the rest of the world. Glenn Gould, another Canadian genius, arguably the best Canadian pianist, and an definitive icon and role model for some classical pianists (just like Peterson is for some jazz pianists); albeit Glenn Gould's infobox does not mention him as a Canadian icon. 
Louis Lortie is a great Canadian pianist, Martha Argerich, Mitsuko Uchida, Artur Rubinstein, Andre Watts, Vladimir Horowitz, Sviatoslav Richter, Sergei Rachmaninov, Van Cliburn, Murray Perahia, Maurizio Pollini, Claudio Arrau, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, Emanuel Ax, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Lang Lang, Arcadi Volodos, Daniel Barenboim are supreme pianists, each one is iconic and highly regarded musician. 
Consensus among entertainers and critics simply does not exist, decisions are motivated by personal likings, politics and money, not by serious quality and beauty, sadly. Encyclopedias are to be more careful, especially in such "grey area" as mixing jazz pianists with classical pianists and declaring the best of all. Only a few of jazz pianists accomplished decent performances of high end classical piano concertos with symphony orchestras, Chick Corea's and Keith Jarrett's performances of Mozart's piano concerto No.23 are ok , but not even close to the superb artistry in Horowitz's famous interpretation with the La Scala Symphony: the adagio  and allegro 
None of the jazz pianists were able to perform seriously difficult piano pieces like this , or concertos by Franz Liszt, or the No.1 by Tchaikovsky, or No.2 and No.3 by Rachmaninov, like the 17-year-old Greek pianist Sgouros, or Kissin , or Bronfman [http://www.youtube.com/
We have yet to see any jazz pianist play Liszt's La Campanella like this , or like this . Chopin's Revolutionary Etude is rarely played by jazz pianists like this take by Andre Watts, just see this 
Mixing Oscar Peterson with all pianists, including classical musicians mentioned above, is not serious, and does not do justice to this great jazz man.
Let Canada decide who is their national icon. Let more professionals with adequate scope, exposure and knowledge formulate definitions, ranking, and  who is who. No matter how much we like some entertainers, we are just Wikipedia users, not decision makers. Steveshelokhonov 21:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Steve, please read my comments to your previous entry. No one is arguing about Peterson vs Horowitz, et al. The icon thing is whether he had the respect throughout the country that was more than his piano-playing and composing. There's a lot of evidence in the "Recognition in Canada" part of the Peterson page that suggests to me that it is so. (And to Blackjays1 also.) I am sorry that you had to go to the trouble of retyping your list of grant pianists, altho I found it useful and treasure the first Richter LP I ever bought about 1960. You say leave it to the experts. Well, WIkipedia doesn't work like that. FWIW, I am NOT an expert in pianism, but as a Canadian social scientist, I have a good informal expertise on national icon-ness. As for Glen Gould, an interesting guy, but so eccentric as to not achieve icon-ness. As I said, YMMV. Bellagio99 (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Steve this strikes me as rather snooty and possibly not even true. Even if it were I'm uncertain what it means that a person trained in one form of music can not do the most complicated pieces of a totally different style. Could Watts do "Blue Rondo a la Turk" justice? Maybe he could, I don't know. On details the person above me sounds like he has the right idea.--T. Anthony (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These classifications are meant to inflate the person's importance in the eyes of those who like him, not to provide meaningful information. If he won the most important cultural honor in Canada, then let the entry say that; but it is just puff to say he was an "icon" in the view of (unspecified) Canadians. You may as well say, "Some people think Oscar P. was a badass piano player." Nicmart (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jazz icon, or Canadian icon, or both; who makes such decisions, Wikipedia users, or a concilium of jazz critics, or Canada ??

message: I edited the sentence about Paul de Marky. De Marky was not a student of Liszt (he was born 9 years after Liszt's death), but he was a student of Istvan Thoman who was a student of Franz Liszt. Batonpower (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: In his autobiography, "A Jazz Odyssey: The Life of Oscar Peterson." Peterson wrote that he was introduced as a "surprise guest" to circumvent the Anreican Federation of Musicians. I did not remove the "citation" tag because I read that book very long ago, someone with a copy at hand should confirm this.Bustter (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carnegie, 1949 

message: Peterson has been cited in a list of Canadian Masons. It wouldn't be a bad idea to mention it in the article.  ADM (talk) 11:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Freemason

message: There has been recently a Statue made of Oscar Peterson in Ottawa. It is by the NAC there. I was wondering if it was worth taking a picture of it, and putting it in the wikipedia commons? I would have to ask permission of the sculpter and the NAC. Adding this eventual picture to this page, I think, should be done. Arvindan T. 03:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: He left seven children, his fourth wife Kelly, and their daughter, Celine (born 1991).
* So, is Celine one of the seven, in which case why is she singled out?  Or is she the 8th child, in which case why do we say 7?  Something's gotta give.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 12:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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message: It's a shame that his bisexuality isn't mentioned. Unfortunately I know of no print source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokey5945 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: In the Trio section of this article, an anonymous user mentioned that the Tristeza on Piano album is a "eulogy of the recently deceased Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, the Monterey Pop Festival stars." I'm surprised no source had been requested for that comment (until I did today) - and it's been there since 2008! --J. J. (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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message: Could the writers of this article try to include mention of the "Oscar Peterson Show" - a regular TV music show that O.P. presented and performed in in the mid 1970s. We had guests including Rick Wakeman & Keith Emerson with whom he would perform.As far as I know it was a British TV show/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.114.39 (talk) 00:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oscar Peterson Show 

message: Ref the 'Trio' paragraph..."Kessel tired of touring after a year, and was succeeded by Herb Ellis. As Ellis was white, Peterson's trios were racially integrated, a controversial move at the time that was fraught with difficulties with segregationist whites and blacks." 
Yes Herb Ellis was white, but so was Barney Kessel who was in the trio before Ellis. Worth a minor edit, or was any controversy only attached to Ellis' tenure because (example) perhaps they didn't tour in the southern US with Kessel? Stratopastor (talk) 23:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article could do with a major edit, so don't hold back. EddieHugh (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: Something is messed up -- not sure how to proceed -- I'd appreciate guidance from experienced editors.  The paragraph starting with "One of the signature pianos is located in the lobby of the Arts Commons (formerly, Epcor Centre for the Performing Arts)" states that the concert hall is in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada when in fact it is in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.   The cited article states the event occurred in Edmonton (at a concert hall located in Calgary) on the very night that the Juno Awards main gala was happening in Calgary, which would seem to preclude the event from happening in Calgary on that date.  So it probably was in Edmonton, but the venue in the article is incorrect.   I haven't found any other citation that might clarify the situation.  Goodwithfish (talk) 20:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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message: How did this guy avoid the military in WWII? He was 18 at the peak of the war in 1943 and a high school dropout.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5C03:400:E523:4FB0:3771:1B91 (talk) 22:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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