Talk:2007 cyberattacks on Estonia

message: This article may want to be renamed Estonian Cyberattack verses cyberwar. Cyberwar may seem to imply cyber attacks were exchanged instead of the incident being a one-sided attack. It should be noted a simple move is not possible since Estonian Cyberattack redirects to Estonian Cyberwarfare. MLWilson 22:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be better to have a name showing that Estonia was attacked, not the one who did the attacking. Perhaps Cyberattacks to Estonia 2007 or something along those lines. Current name is too ambiguous. DLX 06:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. For now I am goind to move this page to Cyberattacks on Estonia 2007. MLWilson 06:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to rename 

message: * After Attacks, U.S. Government Sends Team to Estonia
* Nato plans action against cyberattacks
* EU targets cybersecurity after Estonia attacks
* Cyberattacks: Are Virtual Wars Next?
* Kremlin Accused of DDOS Cyberbullying
Sander Säde 19:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some new sources 

message: I have removed the blatant copy and paste from Shaun Waterman's commentary. This is an encyclopedic article, not a news magazine. Please mind the copyvios. --Lysytalk 19:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Opinions of independent experts"

message: Will someone please offer a counterpoint as to why we shouldn't talk about the man who was convicted of attacks that generated this specific article about his attacks?  I view it as an innocent mistake on the part of some editors to delete the relevant information (including its refs).
I wish to be bold and return the relevant information and its refs to this article on 4 March.  Let the debate begin...
I recently made my first edit to this specific article; Oth made no edits before me.  I added relevant details about a man living in Estonia who was convicted of launching attacks that are specific to this article.  I consider the information relevant not only because this is the specific article about his attacks, but also because his status as a local student provides much-needed context for the article's third paragraph.  I placed the relevant information in a relevant position and I ref'd it.
In his "Copyedit + ref" edit, Oth moved my edit down six paragraphs and he performed a minor rewrite.  I implicitly accepted it under AGF and only scratched my head over his "+ ref" reference.
Twelve hours later, in his "Wording" edit, Oth changed "of launching the attacks" to "for attacking the website of the [ERF]."  I consider both statements accurate, and I implicitly accepted Oth's edit under AGF because it provided more exact knowledge to the reader.
Forty hours later, in his "small cleanup" edit, Oth removed both the man's name and the ref.
I should note this isn't the first time someone removed both the man's name and the ref from a specific article about the man's attacks.  Lysy did the same thing in a 24 Jan 08 edit.
A cursory glance at both Oth's edit history and Lysy's edit history proves they're active members and it certainly implies WP:AGF for both of them.
Rather, I view their actions as an innocent mistake to delete relevant information, including its refs.  I wish to be bold and return the relevant information and its refs to this article on 4 March.  Rob Rosenberger (talk) 01:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't see that I have deleted any information from the article - name, offense and punishment are present (yes, I deleted the infoworld ref, but I replaced it with one from BBC and they are largely identical anyway). I specified your first edit because Estonian media wrote some time ago how everybody thinks now it was a one man war. In the end I noticed the information was already in the second paragraph so I decided to remove it from the lead section. Feel free to make all improvements you like. Oth (talk) 08:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable edits (all probably done in good faith) 

message: Actually there were several Estonian attacks on Russian websites in the days prior to when the widely reported problems started with Estonian websites. In particular, one Russian web portal was defaced so that the homepage displayed the Estonian flag and played the Estonian national anthem. These Estonian hacking incidents were not widely reported in the international press, although were mentioned in the local press I believe. Unfortunately I don't have a link. However, for the sake of balance, this should be mentioned. Waverley2000 (talk) 11:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? It's reliability?? Relevance (i.e. how does it really relate to attacks against Estonian computers)??? But yes, if this material satisfies all the requirements (in which I doubt), you're welcome to add it. Ptrt (talk) 14:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged attacks against Russian sites