Talk:Mission Earth (album)

message: I created this article today to improve this encyclopedia by including notable information about an album that was thus far neglected.  Enjoy. Vivaldi (talk) 06:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  September 2006 

message: According to the new Todd in the Shadows video the release date on this article is wrong  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:B40:1FF8:B491:8CC7:D750:6E71 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2021 

message: According to Discogs, the album was re-released on CD in 1989 to go along with the promo CD single and music video for "Cry Out". 108.53.20.85 (talk) 05:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2021 

message: In several sources, which Wikipedia considers to be unreliable due to being user-generated, the release date of the album is 1989, this includes Discogshttps://www.discogs.com/master/369197-Edgar-Winter-Mission-Earth, and Rate Your Musichttps://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/edgar_winter/mission_earth/. AllMusic (who's status as a source is disputed) lists it as 1986https://www.allmusic.com/album/mission-earth-mw0000201350, and this video by Todd In The Shadows (which yes, is from YouTube who's source status is considered unreliable due to being user-generated), he says the press coverage is from 1989. (Here's the video itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGwTNbuPYBo). I do not know if this release date dispute is because of Scientology pushing the date back to be before Hubbard's death in 1986 or because of several other things, also the release section is wrong too as Rhino Records issued the album, not Scientology's music publishing wing.BosniaksLoreExpert (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is pure speculation, but I believe the reason for the discrepancy is that Hubbard's company probably registered the copyright for the songs in 1986 but Rhino didn't get around to releasing the album until 1989. That would easily explain why it says 1986 on the album but all contemporary promotion is from 1989. 2600:8801:710D:EA00:E1D0:58F3:D1CF:7BAD (talk) 04:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Release Date 

message: This article uses 1 very small user-generated review at AllMusic (see WP:ALLMUSIC) to get their 1.5 stars (that was generous), and 2 Church of Scientology (COS) promotional webpages to source the "Production" section. The website ronthemusicmaker.org  was published by COS . Ron The Music Maker was a glossy magazine-type publication by COS   where the content was written by L. Ron Hubbard biographer Dan Sherman  who wrote in extremely pompous flowery words and would put the most eagerly interested person to sleep . The alleged words of Edgar Winter inserted into this wiki article are unlikely Winter's and sounds exactly how Sherman would have written it (which he did, in a sense). Winter didn't know Hubbard personally, so I'm sure he never would have written those flowery words. After searching for any reviews of this album online, I found this one on YouTube  that was thorough and interesting... I think. LOL. Maybe we should just delete the "Production" section under the WP:ABOUTSELF policy. Grorp (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone questioning whether "Scientology" should be mentioned in this article or not (such as a recent user's edit summary) needs to watch the YouTube review of this album. It's a bit long, but very thorough, and it will leave you with no doubt as to Scientology's connection to this album. Grorp (talk) 04:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tom Cruise has absolutely been influenced by Scientology in his work. Doesn't mean each article needs to reference him as "Tom Cruise, practitioner of Scientology" 91.110.25.95 (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  If Tom Cruise was the founder of Scientology, then it would likely get mentioned in every article about Tom Cruise. But he's not, so your comparison doesn't really hit the mark. If Tom Cruise was the founder of Scientology, who had written a 10-volume novel set based on Scientology mythologies and principles, who engaged some other Scientologist to perform his own godawful lyrics and music to promote said book series, who was in hiding at the time because of his crimes he'd committed while building and maintaining his mega-organization, and would only communicate with the Scientologist performer by writing and audio recordings sent through the US Postal Service, then yeah, Tom Cruise and Scientology would be mentioned in this article. Now go watch the video. Grorp (talk) 05:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review: This article relies on Church of Scientology puffery