Talk:List of official languages

message: Mexico has no "official" language; the Constitution does not states any as such. However, 63 indigenous languages (plus Spanish) are recognized as "national" languages (2003 General Law of Linguistic Rights of Indigenous Peoples). 
Ajusco  —Preceding undated comment added 15:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico 

message: Look, I know the Dutch say "there's no such place as Belgium", but nevertheless Flemish is a distinct language with a distinct (and longer) cultural tradition, and the fact that Flemings and Dutchmen can make themselves mutually understood far more easily than (say) Danes and Swedes or Serbs and Croats does not make Dutch into one of the languages of Belgium. I suggest that we allow the fact of a distinct literary tradition to come through, or we lose touch with such things as Til Eulenspiel. PML.
:I am from the Dutch Wikipedia, I am from Belgium, I speak Dutch (not flemish). Dutch is one of the 3 offical languages of Belgium and the main language of about 60% of the population. Flemish is not a offical language of Belgium. Giskart 09:54 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)
:Zelfs als Vlaams echt een andere taal zou zijn, wat het niet is, dan is het nog niet een officiële taal van een land. Dan kun je evengoed gaan zeggen dat ze in België "Limburgs, Antwerps, Gents, Brussels, en West-Vlaams spreken (al geef ik wel toe dat West-Vlaams soms wel als een andere taal klinkt) Giskart 09:54 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)
And why would we split Dutch and Flemish? Together we are a lot stronger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.100.44 (talk) 11:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A remark: I've learned that Flemish and Dutch were united and are today two "dialects" of the same language - neerlandese. This is, I've heard the official situation, similar to that of Catalan: Catalan is called Valencian in Valencian Community but is, nevertheless, Catalan. Dutch and Flemish are two different names for the same language and, at the same time, two dialects of that language. Marco NevesMarco Neves
Flanders, the Netherlands and Suriname have a treaty called Nederlandse Taalunie (Dutch Language Union). This treaty fixes the spelling used in education and by the government. Some other languages (Portuguese) also have such a treaty. --Otto ter Haar 09:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch/Flemish 

message: Dear Sir, 
The Moldovan (Moldavian) language don't exist ! This "language" is only an invention of the Russian invaders. The language of the people in the so-called Moldova is the Romanian language.
Best regards,
Sorin Demetrescu
17.09.2003
: No, of course it doesn't exist, it is just the official name of the Romanian language in Moldova. :)
: See Moldovan language about this. Bogdan 12:10, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moldovan language 

message: Under the Irish constitution, Article 8
1.	The Irish language as the national language is the first official language.
2.	The English language is recognised as a second official language.
3.	Provision may, however, be made by law for the exclusive use of either of the said languages for any one or more official purposes, either throughout the State or in any part thereof.     garryq 13:32, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish/English "secondary" 

message: The Portuguese language is not official in Galicia, texts in Portuguese don't have legal value.--Rocastelo 18:11, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese in Galicia 

message: I am more and more unsure about the legal status of Korean in South Korea. As far as I can determine, it has no explicit status in written law. However, during the recent controversy surrounding President Roh Moo-hyun's proposed special law to move the capital, the argument that the prominent national symbols—Seoul being the capital, the national anthem, Korean as the "official" language—are included in the unwritten "Customary Constitution" (관습헌법) was used by the Constitutional Court of South Korea to overrule the proposed special law as being unconstitutional. Naturally, this raised a whole political debate about the validity of the "Customary Constitution" argument, and if we merely follow the Court's decision and say that Korean is the official language of South Korea, we may risk choosing a side in an ugly battle. How should we deal with this situation? Please direct your comments to Talk:South Korea. Thanks. --Iceager 01:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have been reminded that earlier this year (2005) the "Basic Law on national language" (국어기본법) was passed, and although I haven't been able to find its content anywhere, according to the press reports at the time it specified Korean as the official language and Hangul as the official script. I completely forgot about this. Never mind then... --Iceager 01:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean in South Korea 

message: I think if there is no law in a country that says the equivalent of "X is the/a official language" or something very similar, then the country doesn't belong in this list. Countries where languages are merely de facto or traditionally official don't belong here. (Thus the U.S. isn't shown under English, Sweden is not listed under Swedish etc.)
By this measure I am having doubts that Latin is an official language of the State of the Vatican City. So far I haven't been able to uncover mention of a law that says Latin is official there. Does any one know one way or the other? I have also raised this question in  Talk:Latin and Talk:Vatican City. -- Cam 06:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vatican City 

message: It appears that English is not de jure official in Australia. See recent discussion in Talk:Australia. When their article gets edited I will change it here. --Cam 17:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: I suggest that we follow the Britannica practice of recognizing "de facto" and well as "de jure" official languages.  For example, English is not the official language de jure of the United States.  But Britannica apparently recosgnizes "official" any language in which the government of a country conducts most of its business.  I propose a similar policy, with de facto and de jure clearly labelled as such. David Cannon 22:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable, but by "official language" I think one means "official by law". And so any situation in which it is implicitly understood that a specific language is to be used for all formal purposes (for practical rather than symbolic reasons), should be denoted in the list as de facto official, as opposed to legally sanctioned. "De jure official" is an unnecessary pleonasm, while "de facto official" is an apt description of an actual situation. Note also that certain extinct languages are official solely as a symbolic gesture (such as Sanskrit, Latin or Manx), but we don't describe these as "de facto unofficial". //Big Adamsky 22:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: This definition is kind of a big deal, since it involves every country and state table. Could some kind of formal vote be taken about what our policy should be? --Cam 00:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should put also the de facto official languages. In fact, often where only one language is spoken nobody needed to proclaim it the official language. The source about the de facto use of a language shouldn't be based on Britannica, which is a tertiary source, but on the laws of that country: the language/s in which are officially written the laws and the other official acts of government is/are the de facto official language/s of that country. Lele giannoni (talk) 17:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  De facto versus de jure 

message: There's only one official language and that's Malay. I've removed Malaysia from Chinese, English and Tamil list. See Article 152 of the Malaysian Constitution. __earth 02:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malaysian official language 

message: Kosovo is not (as yet) a sovereign state. I believe it therefore does not belong to this list.
Should it remain here, as far as I know from a few months I spent there dealing with local legal matters, all current legislation is issued in albanian, serbian and english. Therefore, Kosovo should be added under the serbian, and probably the english extra.
--81.57.232.80 03:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo 

message: Russian is not an official language of Ukraine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.66.237.197 (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian language in Ukraine 

message: Can anyone tell me about countries which have Mandarin as the official language? Wikipedia doesn't say the third. It just says China and Taiwan.
210.49.166.193 06:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Singapore (along with Malay, Tamil and English).--Fitzwilliam 07:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandarin

message: This article states that Mexico's official language is Spanish. The Wikipedia article for Mexico states that Mexico does not have an official language. Which is correct? --JoeIcarus 18:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico 

message: Why is it said in the ranking that Spanish is official in two European and two Asian countries? As far as I know, Spanish is official in one European country (Spain) and one African country (Equatorial Guinea). So which are the second ones? On the other hand, it might be official again soon in one Asian country (Philippines). --Purplefire 02:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way for Spanish to be an official language in the Philippines is via constitutional amendments which hasn't happened since the constitution was approved in 1987. --Howard the Duck 05:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish in Europe and Africa

message: User 212.182.118.70 keeps undoing edits on official languages in Moldova (the same goes for a good number of pages related to Moldova on Wikipedia), thus intentionally desinforming the reader. I do not want to violate the 3-revert rule (which I have done by now, I guess with four edits on 4 November). Could someone advise, what could be done in this case, please? Thank you. Moldopodo 19:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intentional desinformation on languages in Moldova 

message: I noticed some problems with this article. I'm not going to attempt to fix them myself since I consider this entire article to be a problem due to unsupported assertions (see WP:NOR and WP:V).
*At the bottom of the By number of continents: section there is a line which reads:
:*numerous other languages, of which German (6 countries)
this edit changed that line line from:
:*numerous other languages, of which German (6 countries) and Italian (4 countries) spoken in the most countries
*The Official languages of sovereign countries section lists 7 countries for German and 5 (or perhaps 7) countries for Italian.
*The Official languages of sovereign countries has a wikilink in its title. Note that WP:MOS#Section_headings says: "Avoid using links inside headings themselves (e.g. ==Roman colonization==). Instead, link from the first occurrence of the term in the prose of the section."
-- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: Should not the article begin by explaining what it means by a country's "official language"?
If "official language" means one declared by law to be such, the United States has no official language.  I strongly suspect that the same holds for several Commonwealth countries where English is the predominant language of the people.  The same may perhaps be true also of very many countries in which a single language is dominant: has Japan legislated Japanese as the official language, or Germany German ... ?
But if an "official language" is one in which the country's laws are promulgated, then English is indeed the official language of the United States, Australia, etc., Italian is the official language of Vatican City State (not Latin: none of its laws and official regulations has ever been promulgated in Latin), and English (as well as Amharic) is an official language of Ethiopia.
For this article to be of value, surely it must state clearly what it is about.  Lima (talk) 05:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an official language is one which is officially so: by statute or such.  A de facto official language is one which functions as an official language without being officially so.  Many such are listed here, with the appropriate note. Tb (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, I think, this definition should be stated at the start.  And, if that's what "official language" is to mean in this article, I wonder if it wouldn't be better not to mix the official languages that are officially so with de-facto official languages (ones that merely function as official languages, either solely, as in the United States, or along with another, as in Ethiopia).  Lima (talk) 10:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition of "official language" for purposes of this article should be concisely stated in the first few sentences of the article's lead section.  The definition for purposes of this article should not conflict with the definition given in the Wikipedia article on official language. That article says, in part, "True official languages are those designated as such by a regulation or law, such as the Māori Language Act or the Welsh Language Act 1967. However many languages are considered to be de facto official languages, meaning that although a language may have no official status in a particular country, it is the most commonly used language in that country and the one usually used in official settings." Defining both de-jure and de-facto flavors of official language and stating that de-facto languages mentioned would be designated as such would be fine. Supporting sources should be cited for language designations in this article, of course. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is an official language? 

message: * official - a language that is designated as official by local law (e.g French is the official language of France.)
* co-official - one of two or more languages that is designated as official by local law (e.g. German, French, Italian, and Romansh are co-official languages of Switzerland.)
* predominant - the language that is most widely used in speech and print (e.g. The United States has no official language, but English is predominant there.)
* widely-recognized - a language that is widely recognized in commerce and/or government activities.  (e.g. Although English is predominant in the United States, Spanish is also widely-recognized by evidence of the many government documents available in Spanish.) --Danorton (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Terms 

message: * de-facto official - I believe that many readers consider de-facto to be mutually exclusive with official.  (Although a language might be the de-facto language in government, unless it's decreed so, it's not official.)  I believe that use of the Suggested Terms above will avoid this conflict and controversy. --Danorton (talk) 16:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague, Controversial, and/or Self-Contradictory Terms 

message: There is no de jure official language in Australia but there are other laws and regulations to note it as the de facto official language. For example various laws and regulations state that petitions to Parliament, patents, business records, financial statements, food nutritional labels, materials safety information, etc "must be in English". 203.7.140.3 (talk) 02:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: In the article on Namibia it says that German, Afrikaans and Oshiwambo are just recognised regional languages, whereas only English is official. This article currently mentions German, Afrikaans and English as official languages of Namibia. Additionally, the article contradicts itself by stating that German is official in only one continent. I think that we should remove Namibia from German and Afrikaans. Marcoscramer (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Namibia article's infobox says, "German and Afrikaans were official languages until independence in 1990. The majority of the population speaks Afrikaans as a second language, while Oshiwambo is the first language of half the population.  German is spoken by 32% of the European community whereas English is only spoken by 7%.", citing Namibia CIA World Fact Book as a supporting source. Article 3 of Namibia's 1990 constitution says, in part, "1) The official language of Namibia shall be English." I'll edit this article to reflect this and to cite Namibia's constitution as a supporting source. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 21:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namibia 

message: Currently a number of subnational entities are mentioned in the list of official languages of sovereign countries. These should be removed and only be mentioned int he list of official languages of subnational entities. Marcoscramer (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too, I've verified this inconsistency. We should remove the "part of" in the first list and put them in the second part. In the second part there is another inconsistency: under English and Russian are indicated all the regions where these languages are official, although English and Russian are official in the entire country. However, under French, German or Italian are not indicated the swiss cantons and other subnational entities. Lele giannoni (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Subnational entities mentioned in the listo of sovereign countries

message: Spanish is official in 20 countries (or 21 if you count Puerto Rico separately), why does the article says 24? Easyboy82
Spanish is also official in USA (New Mexico, Puerto Rico, Miami, etc). It is also official in Gabon (in Cocobeach). In Andorra is official "de facto". It is the most spoken language of the country. There is a similar situation in Belize, where it is the most spoken language. At the same time, it is official in Rapa Nui (Easter island). So, it is also official in Oceania. 
:Fixed it, although according to List of countries where Spanish is an official language it's 21 excluding Puerto Rico (which we should do because it's a list of soveriegn states). -- Jao (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an editor who is adding a few extra countries to the lists of Spanish as an official language. Official does not mean de facto. Spanish is not official in the U.S. except for a couple states where it's co-official. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and not a sovereign state. Easter Island is part of Chile and not a separate state. Catalan is the only official language of Andorra, and English is the only official language of Belize. Yes, Spanish may be widely spoken, but official and commonly spoken are not the same.  The U.S. does not have an official language, but English is the national language. Kman543210 (talk) 11:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that explains the discrepancy between 20 and 21. I'll remove Belize right away. -- Jao (talk) 12:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish is official in 20 countries, not 24  

message: A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries.  Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 13:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Discussion

message: Since when? just wondering...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.103.1 (talk) 19:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Maltese in Australia?

message: The only Wikipedia pages that seem to be free of errors are the simple physics and math pages.  This is a case in point.  ONE example: how is Dutch official in five sovereign countries?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.108.147.206 (talk) 03:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What in Earth's name are you talking about? The list gives The Netherlands, Belgium and Suriname, which are correct - that is 3 countries. sephia karta | dimmi 17:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Ah there, you're right, that's wrong. You know that you are very welcome to correct mistakes like that when you encounter them? sephia karta | dimmi 11:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch 

message: Is there a reason why Scots and Ulster Scots are listed as co-languages in parentheses but are not entries in the list, or is this just a mistake?  Epa101 (talk) 21:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scots and Ulster Scots 

message: The PNA is a government, not a country. What is meant in this spot is the State of Palestine which itself is not a sovereign country and so doesn't make its way onto this list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtheule (talk • contribs) 01:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palestinian National Authority 

message: In that list languages like Bengali, Urdu, Nepali has been listed as official in 2 to 3 countries. I don't know if Bengali is official in any third country and also Nepali and Urdu are official at the national level in Nepal and Pakistan respectively. In India both are state level languages. But still if they are included in this list then I think French language entries must include India because French is an official language in Indian Union Territory of Pondicherry or Puducherry and so by the logic used in determining number of countries this is right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.176.16.78 (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of countries with the same official language

message: Posted on  Azolnai Google Drive  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azolnai (talk • contribs) 22:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Added: "Official language by country, compiled from the above" (only using the list in original article)

message: Article XIV, Section 7 of the 1897 constitution says, "For purposes of communication and instruction, the official languages of the Philippines are Filipino and, until otherwise provided by law, English."
It goes on to say, "The regional languages are the auxiliary official languages in the regions and shall serve as auxiliary media of instruction therein."
It goes on to say "Spanish and Arabic shall be promoted on a voluntary and optional basis."
This article lists English (with Filipino) and Filipino (with English) as official languages in the Philippines. 
The article also lists Aklanon, Bikol, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Ilocano, Kinaray-a, Surigaonon, Tagalog, Waray-Waray (with one another and with Filipino and English) as official languages in the Philippines. In support, the article cites this source, which says that the Department of Education has brought the total number of languages approved for use in teaching grades kindergarten to 3 to 19 (Aklanon, Bikol, Cebuano, Chabacano, Hiligaynon, Iloko, Ivatan, Kapampangan, Kinaray-a, Maguindanaoan, Maranao, Pangasinense, Sambal, Surigaonon, Tagalog, Tausug, Waray, Yakan, Ybanag -- 10 of these 19 [Chabacano, Ivatan, Kampangan, Maguindanaoan, Maranao, Pangasinense, Sambal, Tasuf, Yakan, Ybanag] are not mentioned in this article; I presume that Iloko/Ilocano and Waray/Waray-Waray are equivalent).
This article also lists Spanish and Arabic as official languages in the Philippines.
The List of countries where Arabic is an official language article does not mention the Philippines. 
The List of countries where Spanish is an official language article mentions that  Chavacano, a Spanish Creole language, is spoken in the Philippines as a regional language but is not official.
I propose that
:# The individual assertions that regional languages designated for use by the Department of Education languages are official languages in the Philippines be removed from this article.
:# The assertion that Arabic is an official language in the Philippines be removed from this article.
:# The assertion that Spanish is an official language in the Philippines be removed from this article.
Any discussion? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines 

message: Previous discussion here contained the apparently supported assertions that
*According to a 1995 Parliamentary answer, there is "no concept of an official language enshrined in English or Scottish law". 
*The Welsh Language Act enshrines the principle that "in the conduct of public business and the administration of justice in Wales, the English and Welsh languages should be treated on a basis of equality", but does not quite make it an "official language". 
*See this PDF for an argument that Welsh should be made an official language. 
*[U]nder the definition offered at official language, neither the UK nor Wales can have an "official language" as there is no written constitution. As with so many things in the UK, English is our "official language" only by longstanding convention.
Because of this, I've placed a  regarding English as an official language in the UK. At the very least, it seems to me that whatever is asserted needs to be clarified and supported. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: UK dubiousness

message: Official languages of India are treated very inconsistently. See Languages with official status in India. We should either be listing Hindi and English only, or else all the 22 languages listed in "Eighth Schedule". Right now, some languages like Gujarati are on the list, but, say, Assamese is off. 2620:0:1000:1C02:5EC:47EB:5A51:5E43 (talk) 17:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

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