Talk:Sailor Neptune/Archive 1

message: Please discuss here whether to include foreign names when they do not match the english name. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 03:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign names really needed? 

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -Masamage 20:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: This was removed:
"Splash Edge- Sailor Neptune does an uppercute attack like Ryu and Ken in Street Fighter, this is only shown on the Sailor Moon SNES and PSX videogames. In SNES version, when used as a finish attack, the uppercute turns into a rising water dragon."
...on the basis that information on video-game only attacks might be better-suited to the eventual Sailor Moon video games article. I'm just preserving it here so that we can refer to it when the time comes. --Masamage 07:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game attack 

message: I feel that Michiru is probably meant to be a musumeyaku (female role) counterpart to Haruka's otokoyaku (male role) from the Tarakazuka Revue.  Her bio here http://www.kurozuki.com/takeuchi/sailormoon/settei.html just says 'affiliated with', though.  Not sure if that counts.  :(  - Malkinann 08:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tarakazuka musumeyaku?

message: Could this edit summary be clarified? "their regular forms *are* their Super forms :/"
I just don't understand what it means. ^_^; Thanks! --Masamage 23:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super forms 

message: Hoshi/Sei in the context of Kinsei, etc can mean planet, and not *just* star. (Jeffrey's dictionary) Usually it's ambiguous. Making Kimokusei ambiguous whether this is a planet or a solar system. At any rate, Neptune is a planet, so it should read "planet" not star for Kaiohsei... changing. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoshi means planet 

message: What the dub exactly said was that Michelle and Amara grew up together and were very close cousins (they were explaining this to Serena in the car). However, the dub later showed this to be an outright lie as it showed and dubbed the fact that Amara and Michelle met, much, much later. (I was sure they were going to cut that episode). ^^;; I was taking notes. After that it was never mentioned they were cousins again, making Michelle and Amara less honorable... meaning they lied outright considering the events of the episode. *cough* Cousins that grew up together, don't meet for the first time later. I don't know if anyone else caught this... ^^;; Oh and the "teenager" stereotypical register spoken, oh it was painful to hear from them... --;; Note though that it's not illegal to marry a cousin in Japan, (if I remember right.), though civil unions and same-sex marriages are not generally allowed... Anyhow, Michelle and Amara are liars. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. The only reference that I remembered about the cousins thing was 'Amy' being like, "I wonder why they're entering the best couple contest? They're both girls, and cousins too!" It made me giggle my head off because it was in such a panic to explain itself. --Masamage 09:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that was later, this was the first explanation of it... which was horrid, because it was directly followed by the episode where they meet for the first time. I need to dig up the videos to find it. But looks like Michelle and Amara are lying. *laughs* I almost died because it was like waiting for the other shoe to drop and then finding out that they didn't cut the episode that would disprove that sentence. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dub... *cough* 

message: Haruka has a big paragraphs about how she's a lesbian, then Michiru's is downplayed in comparison... Isn't this kind of strange to anyone? How can being "butch" qualify someone to be "more" lesbian than someone else. O.o;; Either both should have the second paragraph and say they BOTH are well known, whereas Michiru would be the "female" half with female speech and Haruka is the "male" half with male mannerisms or they should both be brought down to Michiru's article. (I would vote the former, not the latter) What I'm saying is that the articles should match each other on homosexuality, rather than following the stereotypes and perceptions of homosexuality. Handle it evenly for both characters. Any disagreements? *will edit the article after stats are done* (Some sections deal with her Senshi form should be moved to the Senshi form) So I'd like feedback before I do the separation of the manga, anime, and fact checking. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they should match.  I mean, how can it say that Haruka is a famous out of the closet gay character and not Michiru?  They're both clearly lesbian and I don't think that one can say that Haruka is "more gay" than Michiru.  Also, in my experience, perceptions and stereotypes aren't always reliable.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Michiru's definitely needs to talk about it more, especially because she was the one who first propositioned Haruka. Whatever Haruka knew about her sexuality, Michiru was already well aware of and comfortable with being attracted to women. --Masamage 20:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone pretty much "knew" that Haruka was gay.  However, I don't think that it's as obvious with Michiru.  Haruka didn't even know.  Perhaps it was Haruka that allowed her to be herself.  I think that besides being a soldier, her sexuality also played a part in her being viewed as an outcast.  She had trouble getting close to people for fear of what they might think if her secret was known.  Haruka gave her the strength to be open and not care what others think.  Just some thoughts.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember any indication that Haruka had ever been in a relationship with anyone before Michiru; I just watched the episodes. --Masamage 04:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying that Haruka was involved with anyone else, just that it seems kind of obvious that she is gay.  But with Michiru, not so much.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The irony is that Ikuhara seems to like to have the "female" gay character be in more control over the "male" gay character. This didn't play out in the manga, but it did play out in Utena, which Ikuhara directed. Since Michiru instigated the relationship, and often told Haruka about what she was an was not supposed to do (Don't come near me, don't take the pen, are you sure you want to do this. We must keep focused on the Mission...) it would seem to me Michiru is more confident in her sexuality than Haruka who seemed truly surprised at Michiru in the episode with Elza. (Flashback episode) In the manga they are more equals in the relationship, and they work together without one being in more charge than the other... But telling me one is clearly more lesbian than another is kind of stereotypical--many people look at the cast when they know nothing of the series and then I mention two are gay, they guess at Haruka and Setsuna. That goes to show you that no one can tell if you are  virgin or not, gay or not. And in anime it gets sketchier by the second where female characters may not be gay, but fantasize about being gay and even have someone they wish they could be in love with... I've met people who are gay and they surprised me and sometimes even themselves when they either found out or told me. So there is no way to "tell" sometimes they don't find out until they fall in love with someone of the same sex.  Anyhow is there any disent on including the same bulk that Haruka has to this article? I don't see any, just discussion on what makes a person gay. =P Clue: They like the same sex. That's it. Nothing special behind it. Gender is not sexuality (as was pounded into my head 2 weeks ago in Cultural Anthro class)--Hitsuji Kinno 05:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, no problem with it at all. All I want is some mention of exactly the Michiru anime stuff you cite, because I think it's awesome. :) --Masamage 05:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I certainly agree that they're equal and that Michiru is the femme of the two. I just don't think Haruka had to be gay just because she's guyish. Makoto is guyish. Ami has short hair. All three members of the Amazon Trio are crossdressers, but only one is gay. Ukyo from Ranma 1/2 dresses as a guy all the time--not gay. All this is saying nothing of people I know in real life. o_O --Masamage 17:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean you don't think Haruka had to be gay ??? What are we talking about again? =P. Didn't the author said that Haruka and Michiru are gay?!!Yajaec 17:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to yell at me. I'm disagreeing with the statements that Haruka is "obviously" gay and that "Everyone pretty much knew" before she even had a girlfriend. That's speculation, pure and simple. --Masamage 19:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that wasn't yelling (usually be all cap if yelling) I was confused by what you said. Now that you explained, I understand the whole picture now, thanks.Yajaec 19:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haruka v Michiru 

message: I admit I deleted some "hobbies" swimming, playing the violin, and painting to be precise. However, these are not listed in the manga nor mentioned in the anime as hobbies. This is more like how she makes money and things she is good at... once you make money at it, I don't think it's exactly a hobby, but more of a profession. Swimming one can argue for... but it wasn't really established as a hobby. In the manga she never really went swimming and it only appeared in one anime episode--the competition against Ami. So I cut it, but someone can dispute it and then I'll add in the references. (But it's kind of repetitive considering her club affiliations and so on) I cut the physical attributes as usual since that's not a stat and unless people are blind I don't think it's really needed. I'm missing some references again, but I'll dig them up, I just want to get through the stats of all the Sailors, then do the final clean up of references. I swear it's out there, because I pulled them from my own pages which means they have a reference. Soldier title... I left out unknown stats again. If this offends anyone tell me. --Hitsuji Kinno 05:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She also swims in episode 110, the one where the Talismans appear, and it seems pretty clear she's doing that to relax. I think calling that a hobby is okay. Otherwise, sounds good! --Masamage 07:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So noted and referenced. Thanks. I added a reference for the clubs. And someone thought it was fun to add art club, but there is no support for that manga side. So I deleted it, because I don't remember that club being mentioned anime side either. I'm still tracking down the gemstones and the soldier title references. >.<;; My younger self would remember... --;; I was such a SM geek then. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the art club thing and found it suspicious, but since you've been immersed in the stats sources I left it to you to weed out. Glad that's done. :) Let me know if I can help with any of this stuff. --Masamage 07:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats update 

message: This line was added to the dub, in the episode where they explain what the first kiss ever was in the original and in the dub what " Michelle's first kiss was" followed by the line "My sweet Brad I wonder where he is today" Might be worth mentioning. Personally they seemed to throw in the cousins line after the couple thing every chance they got. (Documented better at Haruka's page) --Hitsuji Kinno 06:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eww. Sure, that seems good for inclusion. I think I'd barf on my keyboard if I tried it, though. --Masamage 09:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it and a few other things I painfully learned during the course of it. >.<;; I may as well share my pain. I gave specific episode numbers for the English, but linked the Japanese. It probably needs a bit of copy editing. So go ahead. I'm often blind to my own mistakes. --Hitsuji Kinno 16:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brad "cutest guy in the school"