Talk:Electronic Road Pricing

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thread_title: Disputed

message: In the first line of the "Impact" section I removed the word "understandably" because it (intentionally or not) justified the 'drivers' opinion.  If the article is going to support the opinion that the ERP is justifiably unpopular then it would have to argue that it is bad, at least for drivers.  I think the value judgement was unintentional so I simply removed it instead of asking for a citation; similar to use of the word "most" in the same sentence.  --TimTL 19:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Value-laden Words

message: Indeed the first successful implementation of a congestion pricing scheme in the world was Singapore's Area Licensing Scheme in 1975 (see Road pricing Singapore's experience).
And thanks to technological advances in electronic toll collection (ETC), remote detection with GPS, and video surveillance technology, charging congestion prices became relatively less cumbersome than in the past, therefore, several cities in the world now use it (for congestion pricing or for regular road tolling), as one section of the ERP article explains and references to other wiki articles of cities with urban traffic congestion pricing schemes. Also, as the article says, Singapore upgraded its system in 1998, but it is not truth, as the opening paragraph says, that "It is the first city in the world to implement an electronic toll collection system". The type of ETC must be explained, let's see why.
As anyone can check following the next references (see  and ). ETC was implemented first in Norway's three major cities: Bergen (1986), Oslo (1990), and Trondheim (1991). Let's make clear that Singapore is the first city in the world to implement an electronic toll collection system  but only for congestion pricing purposes ( this is, around a screenline CBD zone where the scheme is enforced). Since Singapore uses also the ERP to toll urban corridors, a distinction must be made. Also, the Norwegian system charges over urban freeways and in the beginning was not 100% free-flow (now at least Oslo is and Singapore's ERP was from the beginning), nor the Norwegian ring toll was intended for congestion pricing, but rather for generating revenues for a urban highway fund. 
Therefore, that sentence needs to be re-written to limit the scope of the world's first. Before doing that (I have been trying to improve the reference of the ERP article, since it is a keystone reference for transportation planners, economist and engineers), I prefer to raise the issue, and listen to other points of view, before editing the sentence in question. Mariordo (talk) 00:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You raised a valid point, but the solution may be much simplier. Check around various sources, and most will refer to the ERP as "the first of its kind in the world" or something similar. "first of its kind" is the key word which may be suitable for the opening paragraph, but elaborated in length later in the article.--Huaiwei (talk) 11:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Singapore or ERP was not the first electronic toll collection system of the world on urban corridors

message: ERP has created a major impact to the Singaporean society, and as usual, local filmaker Jack Neo has decided to take advantage of the event, and make a movie of it. It's chinese; but it's called Money No Enough 2. I'm not talking in Singlish, but it was officialy called that. So, should I change and add a section?Is "zheliel" me? 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Influences? 

message: ERP now has it's own userboxes!
Is "zheliel" me? 00:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! I left out my signature lol. Is "zheliel" me? 00:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  USERBOXES! 

message: "The ERP was implemented by the Land Transport Authority in September 1998 [1] to replace the Singapore Area Licensing Scheme [2] after successfully stress-testing the system with speeding Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris."
I find this claim a bit dubious at best. Until I see some proof of it elsewhere I'm removing it for now and replacing the highlighted part with something more generic. --A.K.R. (talk) 06:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really? (Citation needed) 

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message: A map showing where the tolling locations are at along with the affected roads would be useful. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest adding a map