Talk:Jordan Grand Prix

message: Asked why drivers didn't like the new car, it was Patrick Head (of Williams...) who replied, "Not quick enough." So much for my memory...  Trekphiler 06:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dept of Corrections

message: I see it's intended to do an article on each car used by Jordan over the years - great.  I'd like to see an image of their gorgeous first car, the 191, included in the main article, though.  Anyone know of a public domain image of it about? Bastun 11:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cars, esp. 191

message: Surely Michael Schumacher should be included as a notable driver! Myredroom 21:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable drivers 

message: Recent edits sort of confirm my suspicion that 'noted drivers' is an impossible category, because everyone's definition of noted is different and what seems obviously right to one is equally obviously poppycock to others. Just as a thinking exercise, here are the list as of right now, with reasons for notability:
*Michael Schumacher - only drove one race for Jordan, but it was his debut and he went on to become (by most definitions) the most successful driver of all time in F1.
*Damon Hill - won Jordan's first race, and is a former world champion
*Rubens Barrichello - drove for Jordan for four years and took the team's first pole position.
*Eddie Irvine - drove for the team for two years.
*Heinz-Harald Frentzen - won two races for Jordan (the most won by any Jordan driver) and with two three races to go was a potential, if slightly unlikely, contender for the 1999 drivers' championship
*Giancarlo Fisichella - won one race for the team, his first and the team's last.
I'm struggling a bit with Irvine - he didn't drive for the team for a particularly long time, didn't win any races, but did achieve some podiums (as did Ralf Schumacher). I suppose if Irvine goes in, so should Ralf, but I can't really see that either of them are particularly notable. I'm not that convinced by Rubens either. I'm not going to get into an edit war over this - just interested to see what others think and why. Cheers. 4u1e 11:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the above should be included, in my opinion.  Irvine gets talked about a lot when Jordan are discussed, and (in my opinion at least) his F1 debut merits the inclusion in and of itself - Eddie_Irvine#Jordan_.281993-1995.29.  Regards, BastunBaStun not BaTsun 14:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we sure that's not just from a UK/Irish point of view? By his debut, do you mean the Senna incident? What do people say about Irvine in connection with Jordan? Ralf Schumacher also made his debut for Jordan, and has been arguably more successful than Irvine - should he too be included? Glad to hear your views. 4u1e (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Scoring a point (under the old system) on a F1 debut is notable in and of itself; and unlapping himself from Senna and the subsequent 'altercation' only add to it.  I'm fully prepared to admit that may be an Irish bias, though :P BastunBaStun not BaTsun 22:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing wrong with a bit of pride in your country! Hmmm, I hadn't taken that debut race into account - ah well let's stick him and Ralf in and see how it goes. I see Ralf got a podium in only his third race, which is pretty notable too. (No, I'm not German!). 4u1e (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The explanations make Tiago Monteiro and Narain Karthikeyan more notable than the Schumacher brothers, Irvine and Barrichello, for these two took part and won points for Jordan in the infamous US GP of 2005. Monteiro made a podium finish and Karthikeyan came fourth. Additionally, Monteiro represented the team in the following year. Karthikeyan was the first Indian to drive on F1. I am including their names too to the list. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 14:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Zsolt Baumgartner was the first Hungarian driver in F1 when he made his debut for Jordan. Andrea de Cesaris competed for Jordan in the infamous 1994 San Marino Grand Prix. I'm not sure these things, while perhaps notable in themselves, really make drivers notable for a specific team, in this case Jordan. Surely we should focus on the team, in which case Barrichello's two podiums and one pole position, and Schumacher R's three podiums, all scored in real races, are rather more notable than Monteiro's lucky podium in a comedy race with only six cars or Karthikeyan's fourth place in the same race. I'd happily remove Irvine from the list in exchange. 4u1e (talk) 17:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Point is proven with the removal of Irvine, R Schumacher et al from the list. Thanks for it. The explanation given for M Schumacher also does not make enough reason for retaining his name as one notable driver for Jordan. The 1991 debut was important for Michael, but that does not make him a notable driver for the team. Please remove his name too. His name would have been valid had he won a race for them, following your own lines. Michael is indeed a great driver, but Jordan is nowhere in the picture to make his personal and professional achievements 'notable'. The comedy race podium finish of Monteiro is more meaningful. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I wish to reiterate: M Schumacher is indeed one of the best ever Formula One drivers. But that does not make him a noted driver for Jordan. Making his debut for Jordan is not good enough reason to have his name on the list. To be very clear, M Schumacher was not a notable driver for Jordan at all. In this page, we are mentioning the names of notable Jordan drivers only. Other info can be given in M Schumacher's page. Thanks. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  'Notable' can also mean 'famous'. Schumacher (famously) made his debut for Jordan, and if you were to show the list we currently have to anyone entirely unfamiliar with F1, they would most likely still recognise Schumacher's name. I'd ask, before you change again, to achieve some consensus here first. --Schcamboaon scéal? 20:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let me put it again: How a formula one driver becomes notable, and how he becomes notable for a team are different. Schumacher achieved his feats running for Ferrari. Making his debut for Jordan is not enough reason for counting him as a notable driver for Jordan. There are many other drivers who have made their debuts for Jordan. In that respect, even Tiago Monteiro's podium finish becomes more notable than Schumi's debut for them. A driver becomes notable for a constructor, when he scores, and not by making debut for them and achieving his feats for another. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 05:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Schambo on this. Schumacher's first drive for Jordan is not just notable because of what he later went on to achieve, it was a notable event that year anyway. As we all no doubt know, Schumacher's qualifying performance made headline news in the specialist press, and his subsequent poaching by Benetton has been well documented - for example it takes up the first chapter or so of the book The Piranha Club, which also takes its title from the incident. 4u1e (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable drivers 

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message: Shoulnt Narain Karthikeyan be added to the noted drivers list as he was the first ever Indian Formula One driver so he has the right to be a notable driver.
Me12356 (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Notable in the history of Jordan? I don't think so. Him being the first Indian falls in the category of trivia related to his career, not notability. Pyrope 13:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes but it also should run under the teams trivia as the team gave his first ever F1 drive. His Performance in 2005 for Jordan was great considering the car he was given for example the 2005 chinese GP his Qualifying performance was great. Me12356 (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: All opinion, not fact. It still doesn't make him notable. Pyrope 13:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I found it incredibly odd that Trulli was missing from the list, while Irvine, de Cesaris, et al were included! Didn't make any sense to me. Even Alesi, who drove just 6 (?) races for Jordan, is included in the "noted" drivers list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.204.48.169 (talk) 11:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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