Talk:The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible

message: Having now put about 13 hours of work into this piece, I hope it is now safe to say that this article is acceptable in its citation of sources.  Let me know, anyone, if the episode list warrants a stub or not.  Otherwise, I feel this article is good to go.The Bulldozer 23:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GreatestAdventureBackArt.jpg

message: I have tagged this section with a 'POV' template, as I believe it seems to implicitly promote a point-of-view: that of Biblical literalism and 'creation science'. It includes sentences like:
:'Modern baraminologists would argue that this is incorrect, as there would not have been enough time within the Days of Creation for speciation to form.'
:'studies have shown that the Ark would have had to be designed around a certain set of design principles to create a balance of numerous factors, making most popular depictions throughout history highly unlikely.'
:'the Noah episode also ignores the claims of modern baraminologists.'
These quotes seem to assume that 'baraminology' is a recognised science, which it is not. (It is, at best, psuedoscience.) If we want to be properly neutral about it, perhaps we should include mention of the fact that most serious historians don't believe the Flood, or the story of Noah's Ark, happened at all.
Then again, maybe this whole section is unnecessary - this is a children's programme, why does it need an extensive 'criticism' section analysing it as though it were a scholarly thesis? It looks to me like someone is taking a kids' cartoon show far too seriously. Terraxos (talk) 22:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it questionable even assuming that it's criticizing the show's Biblical underpinnings, since you can be a Christian and believe in the Bible without believing that the earth is literally six thousand years old, that the Ark was really built and that all life on earth was really wiped out in a flood, so on and so forth. Some folks treat that stuff as being parables rather than history.
===Concerning this===
It would appear to me that Terraxos is himself awfully worked up over a children's program.  And to refer to baraminology as a "pseduoscience" is itself a judgment call.  Since the video assumes a standpoint of the Biblical events having happened, it is not too terribly wrong to assess the value of the content according to its own assumptions.  
To say that serious historians don't believe the Flood happened is not entirely true, and it over-simplifies matters (e.g., there are theories about many localized floods in history that would have had the same composite effect, supposedly, as a global one).  
It also implied by these statements that one cannot believe in the Noahic deluge and still be respected as a "serious" historian.  These are judgment calls that themselves demonstrate a lack of neutrality on an issue.--The Bulldozer (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Being purely a priori, it can't be anything BUT a pseudoscience. To be a science it would require empirical evidence to support its claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.22.131 (talk) 21:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Errors and Omissions' section 

message: It would appear to me that Terraxos is himself awfully worked up over a children's program.  And to refer to baraminology as a "pseduoscience" is itself a judgment call.  Since the video assumes a standpoint of the Biblical events having happened, it is not too terribly wrong to assess the value of the content according to its own assumptions.  
To say that serious historians don't believe the Flood happened is not entirely true, and it over-simplifies matters (e.g., there are theories about many localized floods in history that would have had the same composite effect, supposedly, as a global one).  
It also implied by these statements that one cannot believe in the Noahic deluge and still be respected as a "serious" historian.  These are judgment calls that themselves demonstrate a lack of neutrality on an issue.--The Bulldozer (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being purely a priori, it can't be anything BUT a pseudoscience. To be a science it would require empirical evidence to support its claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.22.131 (talk) 21:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning this

message: I'd like to add that, I find it quite a compliment that Terraxos seems to imply that he believes me qualified to critique scholarly theses. --The Bulldozer (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being purely a priori, it can't be anything BUT a pseudoscience. To be a science it would require empirical evidence to support its claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.22.131 (talk) 21:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: PS

message: Modern baraminology and modern taxonomy are not that different.  
Baraminology                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	Taxonomy
Species deviated from common ancestor families                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              	Species deviated from common ancestor families
Families and/or Genera have existed since almost the beginning, and are the building blocks of all classification of creature.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              	Families descended from a common ancestor, though we're not quite sure what that ancestor was though we have theories.
Speciation through natural selection (or artificial, for that matter) is the devolution of Families (Hebrew baram) from the common ancestors into lesser beings that are still consistent with the rules governing their respective Family.  Sub-speciation through the same mechanism is merely an acceleration of this deterioration of genetic information.  (Evidenced by the weaknesses in dog breeds.)	Speciation through natural selection builds up and creates improved versions of the original Families.
Life exists deliberately.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	Life happens, but for reasons we will never fully understand.
Only the origins and vocational destiny philosophies differ, as well as opinions on whether the creature improved or got worse.  As far as you getting from a liger to a lion and tiger to different kinds of lions and different kinds of tigers, the two speculate basically the same thing.  It's impossible, since taxonomy does more speculation, to discredit one without discrediting the other.--The Bulldozer (talk) 19:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The difference

message: "In the David and Goliath episode, the spot of impact is not quite correct. Goliath was hit in the temple, not the direct middle of his forehead as depicted in the video." - The entire section is asinine! It's a children's show... WHERE THEY TRAVEL THROUGH TIME. Next thing you know we'll have critiques on Power Ranger uppercuts... GeneralChan (talk) 05:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous