Talk:Amber Hagerman

message: What does "DFW" mean? Perhaps "Dallas-Fort Worth"? —Felix the Cassowary 12:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a common U.S. abbreviation that shouldn't really be there without any mention of what it means.  Dismas|(talk) 20:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have no idea what 'She had been alive two whole days before being killed.' means in this context. Can someone please clarify? Nicander (talk) 18:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. It makes no contextual sense whatsoever. You could just as easily say she'd been alive nine whole years before being killed. 216.67.35.43 (talk) 10:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nonsense

message: "According to Jimmie,..." 
It would be a good idea to introduce this Jimmie.
85.224.168.67 (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Donna Whitson, Amber's mother. She is now Donna Norris. I edited the article to indicate that. Cerdic (talk) 12:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Jimmie?? 

message: In the article it is not stated clearly if she was raped. СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raped? 

message: There's a passage in the article where it mentions that Amber was the second child in the family to be abducted.  One sentence in particular reads "Her father's two-day-old granddaughter was abducted in 1991..."  The reference for the sentence is a newspaper article which is no longer online.  Is it just me or is this rather confusing?  Maybe not confusing but at least poorly worded.  Did Amber have a much older (6-7 years at least) brother or sister who then had a child who was abducted?  Essentially this would be Amber's niece or nephew, right?  Dismas|(talk) 07:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her father's granddaughter? 

message: This is a terrible thing to happen...but was the perp ever apprehended and fried? The article does not make that clear. It seems to be more focused on the legacy: Amber Alert.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.28.156 (talk) 11:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: some ip blanked everything about the actual incident and nobody caught it. vandalism or sentimentalist 'remember the victim' extremism, who knows Asdf98761 (talk) 21:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was the case ever solved? 

message: This needs to be more factual and fix the line spacings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnbandit (talk • contribs) 21:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Written like a story 

message: This article is very small to be a biography. The subject is a 9-year-old victim, and I don't see how notability of the dead little girl guarantees an article. --George Ho (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops... I misread the article and have mistaken her for someone else. As for your comments, events can overbalance life if life is not well-covered. --George Ho (talk) 05:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up, I cannot seem to make it clear that it is a logical impossibility for someone's death to be notable and not themselves be notable.  It's one thing when there are many victims of a tragedy, it is another when there is a single victim of a notable tragedy.  Notability is very broad, but where only one victim, that person is inherently notable if their fate is notable.  This is a distinction without a difference.  Montanabw(talk) 04:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are conflating "notable" with WP:Notable.  When we say that this girl is not WP:Notable, we don't mean that she wasn't important, remarkable, prominent, or whatever else the dictionary gives as synonyms for this common English word.  We mean that the girl doesn't qualify for a separate, stand-alone article on the English Wikipedia, e.g., significant secondary sources about her that aren't about something else (in this instance, the AMBER Alert system).  It is common for a person to be notable without being wiki-notable.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:09, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, I think we have two different things going on here.  The WP:NOTABILITY issue I'm raising is that it is completely illogical for an event involving a single individual to be notable but then individual not notable (either they both are, or neither is) - though in the case of AMBER Alert, I suppose we are in a gray area.  The other issue, though, is that I am just feeling very shocked and saddened at the tone and attitude of some of the wikipedians here, who are so terribly dismissive of the life of a human being; it isn't an issue of objectivity, it's an issue of basic human decency. I can hear a reasoned "notability" argument, but the callousness of the comments here and at other articles about people who have died in tragic circumstances is very troubling.  Montanabw(talk) 17:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to [[AMBER Alert]]?