Talk:Battle of the Alamo

message: It is entirely based in myth and I'm surprised this isn't acknowledged at all here given it's widely accepted by modern historians to be false. 134.41.117.133 (talk) 23:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have verifiable and reliable cites that adhere to Wikipedia standards, please feel free to do the editing yourself. That's how this works. THX1136 (talk) 20:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Alamo battle was proven false 

message: Just got done reading the article and wanted to commend those that have worked on it. I found it well cited and written.THX1136 (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article comments 

message: The statement that Jacob Walker "attempted to hide behind Susannah Dickinson" is unsubstantiated. The reference mark 125 cites Tinkle (1985), p. 218. But Tinkle actually never says anything like this. On p. 217, Tinkle writes, when "his wounds had put him out of the battle, [he, Jacob Walker] had made his way to the side of Mrs. Dickinson in one of the chapel side rooms. Perhaps he hoped like young Galba Fuqua and many another [sic] that she would be spared to carry messages to the living." Twelve lines later on this same page (p. 217), beginning a new paragraph, Tinkle continues: "When the Mexicans found Jacob he was beside Mrs. Dickinson trying to give her a message. In his agony Walker pleaded for his life. It was in vain. Mrs. Dickin- [p. 218] son reported that the Mexicans 'tossed his body on their bayonets as a farmer would toss a bundle of hay.'
[new paragraph] "Walker's death may well have been the last one in the Alamo."
There is nothing in Tinkle's interpretation of the history based on primary sources that suggests that Jacob Walker was trying to hide when he was in the proximity of Mrs. Dickinson.  Tinkle's comment that "Perhaps he [i.e., Walker] hoped . . . that she [i.e., Mrs. Dickinson] would be spared to carry messages to the living" suggests that Walker approached Mrs. Dickinson in order to tell her a message to pass on to his family.
The other reference mark, 126, cites Lord (1961), p. 166. Again, nothing in Lord's book here suggests that Walker was trying to hide behind Mrs. Dickinson. Here is what Lord writes on p. 166: "Suddenly Jacob Walker, the little gunner from Nacogdoches, burst into the room. He ran to a corner and seemed trying to hide. But it was no use. Four Mexican soldiers rushed in, and as Mrs. Dickinson fell to her knees in prayer, they shot Walker and savagely hoisted him on their bayonets iike a bundle of fodder."
There is nothing in Mrs. Dickinson's report of what transpired nor in the interpretations of Tinkle and Lord that suggests that Jacob Walker ever tried to hide behind Mrs. Dickinson at any point. What really occurred is lost. Perhaps Walker did approach Mrs. Dickinson with the intention to tell her a message to pass on to his family, when suddenly the Mexican soldiers burst into the room, and he ran to a corner. To hide? To find something to shield himself with? One can only surmise his intentions. But where is the statement in Mrs. Dickinson's account, or in Tinkle and Lord's books that "Jacob Walker . . . attempted to hide behind Susannah Dickinson"? This statement besmirches the reputation of an Alamo defender, and it either needs to be removed or else be labeled as currently unsubstantiated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by David H. Warren (talk • contribs) 06:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the article to better reflect those sources. Station1 (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walker 

message: The spelling of Mrs. Dickinson's first name in this article is wrong, where the claim is made that Jacob Walker "attempted to hide behind Susannah Dickinson." Her first name was "Susanna," not "Susannah." The article on "Susanna Dickinson" in Wikipedia correctly spells her first name. This article here on the "Battle of the Alamo" does not. The museum in Austin, Texas, that bears her name is called the "Susanna Dickinson Museum." David H. Warren (talk) 06:27, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for pointing that out. Station1 (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Susanna Dickinson 

message: Led by general Santa Anna, the Mexicans outnumbered the Texians 20 to 1. 12.174.104.162 (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mexicans Outnumbered