Talk:Alberto Fujimori/Archive 2

message: In "Overhaul of English, & some questions" above, User:Mel Etitis notes that this article is at present inconsistent in its choice between European and North American spelling conventions. A glance at the history reveals the following:
*18 Nov 2002: Article started, ugly little stub, no flags to indicate UK/US preference.
*10 May 2003: someone introduces the phrase "organised crime". Article is four paragraphs long, not a stub. 
*6 Aug 2003: someone adds "neighbour".
*7 Aug 2003; "neighbour" is deleted; "capitalized" is added. Article now mixes -ise & ize forms.
*8 Aug 2003: "organised crime" is changed to "organized crime".
Thus, per the Manual of Style's first major contributions rule, the article should still be using UK conventions. –Hajor 16:35, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, as Peru is a member of the OAS, the MoS says that the article should be in U.S. English... I'd be happy if it were to be in U.K. English, because then I'd feel confident to make it consistent.  As consistency is probably more important, shall I do that anyway?  Then if, at later stage, someone who's a native U.S.-English speaker turns up, they can always switch it all over again. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 16:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: UK vs. US English

message: In the 'In exile' section, it's stated that Congress 'voted 63–0 with two abstentions to approve charges', and that it also 'voted 65–0 with one abstention to charge Fujimori for responsibility...'.  Where did the extra person come from? Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 18:17, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Congress of Peru, the total number of deputies is 120. So I'd guess that one congressman just rushed back in time for the second vote after missing the first one, while there were 30-odd of his colleagues who missed both. Does that help? –Hajor 18:34, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; I was just concerned that a mistake hadn't slipped in.  There was no indication as to how far apart the votes were.  Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 18:39, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: A politician, like any natural phenomena, has positive aspects and negative aspects; it would be naïve to assume they are always in balance. But this article appears to some to be "too negative" about Fujimori, hence unbalanced. If that is indeed the case, I place the blame for it appearing so squarely on the shoulders of the Fujimoristas, because they don't do their homework. 
Take, for example, the issue of Fujimori's economic legacy. The political economy of a country is not some nebulous force of nature; it is the result of specific actions and decisions taken by governments, combined with historical and external factors. Therefore, we can review the policies implemented and see their impact on such things as macroeconomic measures and socio-economic factors. We can also cite appropriate expressions in the press of popular and learned opinion. My reading of the facts is that AF's overall impact on the economy of Peru, acknowledging the problems he inherited from his predecessor, is negative, that he is largely responsible for the deep recession in which the country now finds itself. I present statistics and quotes to support this interpretation. Do the Fujimoristas present alternate data and alternate expressions of opinion? No, they just complain about "bias" and dismiss us as "anti-Fujimori nuts". Although I am as keen as any to see this a well-balanced article, I am not going to do their work for them; I am not going to try to find evidence to support a interpretation of reality that I don't believe in.
*From what I can perceive, Viajero seems to be an outsider, reading data about Fujimori and other Presidents.  His conclusions cannot be more wrong.  IIT IS MY POINT OF VIEW that the country's economy was destroyed first by VELASCO and then by ALAN GARCIA.  Fujimori actually REPAIRED THE DAMAGE, to a certain degree.  I won't take time to present facts, because convincing Viajero is probably a lost cause, and whatever I bring to the table, with enought time anybody can bring data that shows the contrary.  Even in the U.S., very renowned economists have totally opposite points of view.  Generally, left-wing economic policies tend to destroy economies and right-wing, conservative or liberal policies tend to repair it.  It is sad that there are still many people in the world that believe the opposite.  Again, this is MY POINT OF VIEW.  Overall, I think Fujimori's policies were good for the country, not bad.--AAAAA 05:56, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Viajero's view

message: Last night I did a little reading around the subject of the "Ancón Treaty" (which should probably be relinked in the article to the form given in this section header). Could someone take a look at that article and flesh out the matters that remained in dispute until they were settled by Chile and Fujimori during his 2nd term? It wasn't immediately apparent... Tnx, –Hajor 14:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not? Be bold! Thanks. –Hajor 16:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Treaty of Ancón?

message: All the information regarding this issue was deleted without discusion.  That information are facts, history, that nobody can change, and I LIVED THAT WITH MY FAMILY.  So, lets be honest with the facts!
let emerge the real history of those years in Peru, let the peruvians tell their history!
(mramirez500 LT 22:16 3/22/05
I also lived through the period of subversive terrorism and state terrorism with my family. It seems that our views don't match, so excluding discussion members by nationality is not likely to get us anywhere. Hasdrubal 19:14, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The state of the country on the 90´s, about terrorism, have to be portraid 

message: The name of Fujimori's current party is given in the article as "Si Cumple". May I presume that should be "Sí Cumple"? I will refrain from adding a joke, but the possibilities are so tempting. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:13, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
Yes - Si should be changed to Sí throughout. Good joke. Hasdrubal 19:22, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cumpliendo