Talk:Elaine Brown

message: As a young woman and activist, she was known for her explosive temper, and as being "crazy and dangerous."
This has NPOV problems because of the source being a blantantly conservative news source, the lack of balance of present or past alternative accounts of her attitude or temperament, and the wording itself, since hateful is a subjective term and never appears in the article itself. Colby 07:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I am wondering if it would be a good idea to create a disambiguation page, since there is a woman named Elaine Brown in New Hampshire who is the wife of Edward Lewis Brown.  The couple have been convicted of tax evasion and refuse to surrender to police.  Many people have been paying attention to this story in New Hampshire, and there is already a page for Edward Lewis Brown. What do we think?
Smashrgrl 14:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: sorry caspere,  wikipedia has policies that aren't free for you to ignore.    if our source accuses elaine brown of murder, that doesn't mean the source is inadmissable.   71.112.130.129 (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting Sources Known To Be Heavily Biased Or Espousing Agendas 

message: Along with the issues stated above, the final section is completely uncited, and reads like a resume. It also says she lives in Oakland, while the lead says she is "based in Oakland" yet also "lives in Atlanta". Most of this might have to be deleted if no verifiable sources can be found.--Chimino (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More citations needed 

message: Green party section needs more details -- a presidential campaign generates lots of material that could be used. Rjensen (talk) 10:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Party nominee 

message: The Jay Kennedy material inserted by AvengingAngel is fascinating but unsourced, and of debatable relevance to this article. I suggest making a new article for Kennedy. WRT this article, there should be discussion on the talk page before making such major changes.Pokey5945 (talk) 21:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Kennedy 

message: The Horowitz material is unacceptable per WP:BLP. It represents scurrilous and uncorroborated accusations of a serious crime, made only by a fringe right-wing writer. We may not republish such allegations absent significant evidence of mainstream acceptance of these claims. As there is none given, it stays out. FrontPage Magazine is not a reliable source for allegations about living people. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, leaving it out is exaxctly the correct thing to do per BLP.--ukexpat (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not uncorroborated. There were other sources cited. Why say otherwise?Pokey5945 (talk) 14:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Salon article you cited was an op-ed by Horowitz that (presumably because Salon wouldn't let him) didn't even mention the accusation. What other reliable sources were there, and did they do more than regurgitate Horowitz's unsupported allegations? NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Convenient - the other source cited, by Kate Coleman, was published in David Horowitz's magazine. Yeah, no, that is not an independent reliable source. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am your colleague on WP, not your enemy, and I would prefer to engage in a mutually respectful discussion. I don't think I entered those citations and I do understand the concerns about Horowitz and see some validity there, but he did work closely with the Panthers and Van Patter. Coleman is a well-published journalist. I did enter the East Bay Express cite, which you have not discussed. Kelley also worked with the Panthers. I would also refer you to Coleman's New Times piece, Hugh Pearson's book, and Brown's autobiography.Pokey5945 (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources are there to validate it. And Horowitz is a right-wing writer, not a "fringe right-wing writer." He is a valid source (I don't care for his politics either, but I note that when he was an associated of the Black Panthers, he was a lefty and was in deep with them). Finally, let's not be naive about the kind of violence the Black Panthers were capable of. Chisme (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no, the reputable secondary sources aren't there. And until there are, it can't go in Wikipedia. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty hard to find "reputable secondary sources" about a murder. Ask any homicide detective. How about if we change this to say that she was the head of the Black Panthers when the murder occurred? Or that she was the last person known to have seen her alive? Or both? Chisme (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you understand what Wikipedia is and is not. It is not a "true-crime" book or a place to play amateur detective. Your speculation and innuendo has no place here. If it is hard to find reliable secondary sources about it, we don't publish it. The end. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:00, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I quite understand that Wikipedia is a good place to white-wash bad reputations. You're doing a good job and should be patted on the back. Chisme (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horowitz material 

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message: Ms Brown has an iconic hi res photo that should be on this page. She is public figure and there can be no copyright issues. She won $5million after an Oakland CA councilwoman beat the septuagenarian in public. That lawsuit and its circumstances should be included. Mrisaac57 (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blurry photo and Oakland lawsuit