Talk:Dave MacDonald

message: Edited article
--Eagle 19:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Hi, I've been informed to make my concerns on the tone and neutrality of this page clear. I note that some of the puffs were dealt with but a large number remain. So here are a few (not all) points -
* The entire article is full of statements which might come under possible trivia. More importantly, they're all uncited, so it's difficult to gauge the relevance, if any, of the statements, with respect to giving due weight to every topic. Adding tag.
* It's possible though unlikely that there be absolutely no criticism (or any statements not praising the article subject be present; so someone should look into finding more of such sources. (Please note I havent checked through authenticity of any sources)
* "road racing champion" is non neutral. Even Michael Schumacher is referred as a racer.
* "Fiery change" - Unencyclopediac tone
* Change in fuel type is mentioned in lede but there is hardly one line about it later on. Also uncited.
* "All too brief" - Unencyclopediac
* 'In a 2008 interview with Hot Rod, Carroll Shelby said, "I think Dave had more raw talent probably than any race driver I ever saw"' - Fact mentioned only in lede and no mention elsewhere. Undue.
* "MacDonald was born in El Monte, California and died at the age of 27." - Non problematic but Please dont club these two facts together. It's awkwardly phrased and may give a wrong impression if someone doesnt read carefully.
* "edged Bondurant by a scant 2 seconds" and "capture his first ever" - Unencyclopediac.
* "MacDonald’s style of drifting through turns at full speed made him a crowd favorite and was dubbed "Master of Oversteer" by the press." - Uncited and probably undue.
* "the two biggest and richest road races in America at the time" - Uncited and definitely undue/unencyclopediac
* " Wood Brothers Racing's famous #21 car," - Famous? Who said it was famous? Unencyclopediac.
* "MacDonald's accomplishments were recoginized by" - Not particularly problematic but puff writing-style
* "NASCAR.com calls the 1964 Daytona 500 lineup the "Greatest Field in NASCAR History"" - Is this really relevant? I'm siding with undue.
* "King Richard Petty dominanted that day" - Unencyclopediac tone
* "piliting a King Cobra to victory" - Unencyclopediac tone
* Afterward veteran motor sports journalist and editor of National Speed Sport News Chris Economaki wrote "Dave MacDonald of El Monte stamped himself as one of today's road racing greats" - Possibly undue
* "giving the _____ its first win" - Are these relevant or necessary? Cars have newer models and racers win using newer models. It shouldn't be added this selectively unless there is some reason why that model winning it's first race was significant.
* "had become one of America's top drivers" - Uncited and possibly undue
* "revolutionary cars" - Unencyclopediac
* "They were far ahead of their time" - Source says "car that predicted future tech in several ways". Without even checking the reliablity of the source, it's bad and unencylopediac.
* "Popular driver" - Uncited, maybe undue
* The entire "Noteworthy" section ought not to be there. The relevant sections where the "noteworthy" parts belong are enough for the details. The lede is supposed to summarise the entire article. There is no need for a separate Noteworthy section.
* "MacDonald distinguished himself as the man who drove each of the legendary Shelby Cobras — Cobra Roadster, King Cobra, King Cobra-Lang Cooper and Daytona Cobra Coupe — to their first-ever victories." - Unencyclopediac, Uncited, Undue.
* The homepage in external links is a "dedication website". Unofficial, therefore undue. Delete.
It is because of all of these concerns (which I find by just a read-through of the article) that the article is non-neutral and non-encyclopediac in tone and the tags are justified until atleast all these issues are fixed and someone else competent to look through the details thinks that the article does not have these concerns anymore. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone and neutrality issues 

message: I don't have a page number, but according to "Black Noon: The Year They stopped the Indy 500" Clark probably never said that. The book, which I'm reading on my Kindle, I think says the quite first appeared in 2004, and according to other racers it doesn't sound like something he would have said.--108.85.148.69 (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Clark's telling Macdonald to walk away from the car 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have removed significant portions of the article which were un-cited, irrelevant, extraneous, non-neutral, and/or were covered in other portions of the article. I revised some language to be less subjective and/or colloquial. I added an infobox with MacDonald's NASCAR and USAC/IndyCar information. RegalZ8790 (talk) 15:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant Edits