Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 7

message: Insert known or suspected pictures taken from one of the above publications below - SoM 22:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[OHOTMU]] or [[Who's Who in the DC Universe|Who's Who]] scans

message: * :Image:Abom-l.jpg This one I'm unsure of how to tag, and if nothing links to it, is it needed?
* :Image:A 1971 Supergirl costume.jpg tagged, but nothing links and no issue number.
If these images are unused, you might as well just send them to WP:IFD as orphans - SoM 17:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Hiding  talk 23:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: No links

message: * :Image:Streakycat.png has no issue source, although a web source is given.
* :Image:Ap106.jpg I'm unsure of whether this is a panel or an edited portion of a panel.
* :Image:ALBERTRO.JPG has no sources at all.  Have droppped the uploader a line.
Above listed by Hiding  talk 23:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: Okay, I've asked around and it appears "fair use" is compatible with the GDFL.  See, meta:Do fair use images violate the GFDL? in which Jimbo states:
Remember that the GNU FDL works inside the framework of copyright law. The GNU FDL is a way for authors to conditionally give up some of the rights they have under copyright. It is not a claim to be able to impose additional restrictions above and beyond what copyright grants. Since fair use is legitimate in copyrighted works, an author may use fair use. But this doesn't preclude that author from releasing the work under the GNU FDL, because the GNU FDL does not pretend to impose additional restrictions beyond copyright, but rather to merely give up some rights of restriction that are normally a part of copyright. Jimbo Wales 13:59, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use compatible with GDFL

message: Robin: Year One and Batgirl: Year One, are two miniseries retconning the eary life of this  characters. Add info or Article would is a good idea ?--Brown Shoes22 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a JLA: Year One maxiseries and a whole year of Year One annuals (1995, I think). Plus lots of Legends of the Dark Knight - SoM 21:16, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Alright then, DC Universe: Year One explaining concept & listing titles --Jamdav86 21:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What's wrong with an article on each of these storylines? We have articles on individual Simpsons episodes - why not on major arcs of comic books? Phil Sandifer 23:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I have no real objection to that, as long as they are long and detailed enough to merit it, but I'd still like a hub page with short summaries.  In fact, we could have a template similar to the one at the bottom of the different Doctor Whos (see Christopher Eccleston for an example) that gives the order of story arcs. --Jamdav86 18:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

text: How's this for the succession idea? — User:Jamdav86/Batman box --Jamdav86 19:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Fine, ignore me, I can take it. (He runs into a deep corner of Wikipedia sobbing gently) --Jamdav86 19:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robin: Year One and Batgirl: Year One 

message: An idea just came to mind: A barnstar specifically for editors of comic articles.  Might be a nice bit of encouragement to get an award for working hard on articles.  That, and there are editors who deserve one. :)--Kross | Talk 23:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're just angling for one yourself, aren't you? --Jamdav86 19:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.  But we do need some sort of award to give to people for making great contributions to the comic articles.  DoctorWorm7, for example, has done alot.  He added a ton of info to the Rann article and practically wrote the one on Kangaroo (comics).--KrossTalk 19:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic book barnstar? 

message: The images of stamps used on articles like Lil Abner are a problem - they copyright notices say that they're only for illustrating the stamps, not the subjects. Phil Sandifer 20:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I am aware, going by what we were told at Wikipedia: WikiProject Fair use, it's not an issue as long as an image of a stamp is properly captioned as a stamp featuring (foo), because it is then still illustrating a stamp.  Its placement in an article does not affect the nature of the image. Hiding  talk 11:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter part of that claim seems patently absurd - its placement in an article establishes context for the image. Since the image is clearly being used in an article about L'il Abner and is the only image in the article, it clearly does serve as an illustration of the character more than of the stamp, which is mentioned in one sentence at the bottom of the article, quite far away from the actual image. Phil Sandifer 16:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'm going back to Wikipedia: WikiProject Fair use and raise it there. Someone somewhere must surely be able to give a definitive answer one way or the other. Hiding  talk 18:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They feel it probably isn't, which isn't super definitive, but I'm happy to bow to the consensus.  It is definitely inappropriate in Hillbilly, at which point it becomes an orphan image and also technically has no source, so if you want to delete it, feel free to follow that process. Hiding  talk 15:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Another image issue

message: Comicsbooktitlebox
1st time making a box. Help !!!--Brown Shoes22 18:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comicsbooktitlebox

message: Considering the recent multiverse-related activity in DC, the Earth-#s appear to be popping up (though mostly in the Infinite Crisis article). One user began changing instances of Earth-1 to Earth-One, but I am particular towards Earth-one. Considering that DC capitalizes all the letters in dialogue, we have no definitive answer, unless I've missed a recent news piece or interview that suggests different. What are all your thoughts on this one? KramarDanIkabu (speak) 04:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware, but in the last issue of Infinite Crisis, Kal-L referred to them (in dialogue) as EARTH-ONE and EARTH-TWO. Considering the Manual of Style suggests writing out small numbers, I would write them out, but I think it should be up to this project's participants. KramarDanIkabu (speak) 06:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: DC uses Earth-One with a captial O on their website here. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then that's our answer. KramarDanIkabu (speak) 15:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earth-1, Earth-One, Earth-one 

message: Does anybody know of good, preferably online, sources of public domain comics or comics artwork? Especially for American comics of the Golden Age, there should be tons of material available from failed publishers that could be used to illustrate articles here. --Martin Wisse 08:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of any, and nothing from that era is public domain yet.  The public domain limit in the US is anything published pre 1923, which predates the accepted start of the golden age.  Hiding  talk 10:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its not as simple as that: before the changes in the US copyright laws in 1978 or so, copyright had to be renewed every 25 years or so: for a lot of companies that folded in the 1940s or 1950s this did not happen on time to prevent their comics from sliding into public domain. This is why AC comics for example can reprint their Golden Age comics.  --Martin Wisse 15:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are very few publishers, bankrupt or otherwise, that let their characters lapse into the public domain before 1978. I can only think of the Nedor Comics characters, which were used in Alan Moore's Terra Obscura. I'm not sure which publisher the Americomics material was originally from. --Pc13 16:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Public domain artwork

message: Just making sure I place my question, in another spot. - -- LEC20 22:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Locations

message: Due to the high volume of discussion on this issue and the repeated number of times it has come up, I have created a centralized discussion page to invite discussion on and form a consensus regarding the fair use of images within articles regarding comics.
*Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Fair use and comics
All opinion welcome! Hiding  talk 16:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use and comics images 

message: #My advice - both of you should go away and sleep on this. You're not getting anywhere.
#The Handbook cover Novaya cites also has Cable in an outfit he wore for a number of panels in the low double digits before dumping (not to mention the weird gun hand he's never had). All of the "90s redesigns" he cites are slight variants on her blue costume - which the new one is too. And given that this is, by my reckoning, her first regular slot since the Siege Perilous story of the late 1980s, it's hardly surprising nothing has stuck since since she's had no artist draw her for more than three issues in a row since then. - SoM 23:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree completely with SOM here, and if you two can't sort out a working compromise I'm going to suggest we use a scan of that last issue as the image in the template box, since that is the most iconic picture of Dazzler thanks to its tagline, and the one most likely to qualify as fair use. Hiding  talk 09:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Two points of order

message: Specifically, the two main current comics FAs - Superman and Batman
Both were proposed over two years ago and added shortly after, and they didn't have particuarly arduous nomination processes
Here's the difflinks between the nominated and current versions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batman&diff=30729616&oldid=1869903
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Superman&diff=30685724&oldid=1862982
Frankly, neither of the articles - as they were or as they are - would make FA today and I think there needs to be some sort of effort to move them to real FA standard before they go to WP:FARC. In addition, they've both just been chopped down after having  tags slapped on them, and that's an extra reason for polishing.
Anyone game? - SoM 17:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured articles 

message: He is gaing a lot of publicity in the southeast.  THomas Guastaferro.  How do I add him to Wikipedia?
:This is Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics, which is a project to improve articles about comic books. Silly bugger. --Jamdav86 19:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I want to add a hilarious comic 

message: I've created :Template:Comic book reference as a tool for allowing us to cite referneces in comic books.  Since a lot of articles draw on the actual comic books in part for reference, I think it will be a useful template.  Examples of use would be if someone was discussing a costume change, perhaps, then they could cite the issue the change occurred in, even the panel if neccessary.  It can also be used in referenceing plot points, or for panels, pages or sequences which support critical points in an article.  A discussion of Kirby dots could reference panels in which they appear, when discussing changes in art style, for example Keith Giffen's style springs to mind, it would also be useful to cite his early and latter Legion of Super-Heroes work as comparisons.  I'll be working on templates for comic strips and editorial cartoons next. Hiding  talk 21:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for citing comic books