Talk:Sam Vimes

message: Removed from the article:
:(ironically, [Carrot is] also a descendant of the king who Vimes' ancestor did in)
No, he isn't. He's a descendant of an earlier (and, so it is said, much nobler) dynasty that disappeared from the throne of Ankh centuries before the days of Lorenzo the Kind. (See Ankh-Morpork#History.) --Paul A 02:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: In the article the writer says "He and Sybil have one small son, Sam Jr, born 25th May 1990."
I am not sure this is accurate since the Discworld uses its own calendar.  Also, it is the wrong date in our calendar since the book Night Watch, where we read Sam's son is born, was published 2002.
:The date sounds right. I've edited to indicate it goes by University Calendar. -takagawa-kun 02:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Vimes' Son 

message: How about a list of books Vimes is in? Some of the other Pratchett characters have these on their Wiki entries.
*Done. ::Didactylos 19:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book list? 

message: At school he was once blackboard monitor for a whole term (An honour his mother paid for, unknown to him at the time).
I have always read the part about Vimes wondering where his mother got the money from as, not knowing how she afforded sending him to school, not paying for him to be Blackboard monitor, is there another reference I am miss-remembering? Gonzo 09:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was the school tuition she paid for, not the role as BBMON.  Katzenjammer 21:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: school tuition is an honour? I think you are misreading that situation WookMuff 04:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What did Ma Vimes pay for 

message: An article of this length is fairly conspicuously missing a picture. A cropping of this  would be my first thought, though I expect it's problematic legally.
:Legality aside, I remember reading somewhere (Probably this article) that Prachett has said he prefers Vime's look in "Where's My Cow?" to the one in that picture.--Agent Aquamarine 23:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Best if you come up with a verifiable source on that first, though. —Yar Kramer 04:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the "Where's My Cow?" article:
"In this book Vimes bears a passing resemblance to actor Pete Postlethwaite. Pratchett has before commented that this is who he has always perceived Vimes to look like, rather than the Paul Kidby 'Clint Eastwood' representation."
Tada!--Agent Aquamarine 06:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: While I applaud the work done by all of you on this article - it's really very well done - I hate to say it but this entire section (Character) smacks of WP:Original_Research.
WP policy is that every statement must be attributable to a reputable source - i.e. our own analysis and interpretation has no place here.  This section needs to be footnoted with sources for the material or it needs to go.--Lepeu1999 17:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a book character, for Pete's sake. All the information in that section comes from the books. There is no way to use footnotes for such information. Your reasoning is wrong, as books are a primary source for fictional character information and thus enough for WP:V. If you claim OR in the article, you have to specify, which part you think is interpretation or analysis according to WP:OR. I for my part cannot find any such problems, all the character info is from the books and thus does not need footnotes. --SoWhy Talk 12:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I KNOW that.  The section's been rather extensivly re-written by the origional author to reflect that since the origional note.  In fact, I'm removing it.  I would have early but I've been away from Wikipedia.  Just because something is about a book character DOESN'T remove the obligation to source a character analysis.  Doing one on your own IS OR per WP policy.  If you're citing the character's behavior, you need to cite which book it comes from including page number.  Just because the info is in a book doesn't remove the need to footnote.  Wikipedia allows for the citation of text sources as WELL as online sources.--Lepeu1999 00:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The section needs to be deleted, or sources need to be found and cited.  Deletion seems far more likely.  Geoff B 18:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character 

message: I'm not too clear on the rules for citations, so I'll look into them before making any changes, but this page is full of the tags. I don't know if there've been many third-party, notable works on Discworld characters, so I'm guessing that the only sources available are the books themselves.
Just how much needs to be cited, though? This block, for example: Vimes is a very conflicted character.[citation needed] An incorruptible idealist with deep beliefs in justice and an abiding love of his city, he is also a committed cynic whose knowledge of human nature constantly reminds him how far off those ideals are.[citation needed] A member of the upper classes, he still has an innate dislike of hereditary wealth and a horror of social inequality.[citation needed]
Some of it can really only be seen through multiple interactions, but is undeniably there. I guess there's a fine line to walk between what's written and how we interpret it - with all interpretations being considered original research - but looking at all the tags, it's tempting just to stick the list of books in the references section and sweep the tags away. Raistlin11325 03:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All of the "citation needed" tags 

message: Please remind me, at the end of Thud does Vetinari hint at grooming Vimes as his successor?  If so, should this be mentioned in either or both their entries?--Tricksterson (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't remember anything even remotely like that (which could be just my atrocious observation skills again), but if it's ambiguous, we probably shouldn't invoke the wrath of original research and speculation. —Yar Kramer (talk) 01:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read Thud! again a few weeks ago and I cannot recall such a reference. Maybe you should tell us, which reference you mean (page, context, etc). As Yar Kramer points out, if it's not clear, it would probably be WP:OR anyway. As a Pratchett fan, I don't think Vetinari would hint such things. He knows full well that Vimes could never run a city like A-M, because he lacks the skills to not kill bastards when it's inappropriate ;-) --SoWhy Talk 19:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly my imagination, will have to reread.--Tricksterson (talk) 14:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vetinari's Successor? 

message: The last paragraph of the background is absolute garbage writing.  It reads like a couple of fanboys arguing over a Star Trek episode.
I would suggest dropping it altogether, or replacing it with "The chronology given in Night Watch places Vimes' age at 46 for this novel." and dropping the rationalization altogether. Wcudmore (talk) 21:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so much garbage writing as confusing ideas, I'd say. It is a bit on the quibbly side - the problem is that someone misread the sentence about Sally. It reads "She could have passed for sixteen; it was certainly hard to believe that she was not a lot younger than Vimes." The writer of the paragraph read it as "...that she WAS not-a-lot-younger than Vimes", where it was meant to be read as "...that she was NOT a-lot-younger than Vimes". Get it? I'm going to go edit it. --72.205.27.2 (talk) 18:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background - Vime's Age 

message: It is stated that Terry Pratchett said that "Morpork books are becoming almost impossible to write without making them watch books"(parap). This really needs citation as the last four main books: Going Postal, Thud, Making Money & Unseen Academicals have all been set in Ankh-Morpork with the exception being the Watch book - Thud, which was partially set outside. If true, he's done very well (although this does not surprise).Where is WikiResearch? (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent developments

message: Many words in the intro are internal links, more than I think is strictly necessary (what are these things even called?). The article about 'Terrier' describes a kind of dog, not its use in English language as 'tool'. Do we need a separate link that discusses the exact definition of what a wife is? More to the points: most of those links are thrown about, even though they do not bear relevance to the article (for example, 'wife' may be linked internally in an article about marriage, but not when the word is used in its normal sense). They are really just used as if they link to a dictionary, which wikipedia is not. Anyone agrees?92.109.161.68 (talk) 21:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary internal references?