Talk:Śarīra

message: It's really difficult to upload a lot of pictures of wikipedia, so I made a separate site that contains a side by side comparison of Ringsels vs. Gallstones/kidneystones/bladder stones... if anyone's got a problem just delete the link :) Philosophy.dude 20:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shameless Self-Promotion ^^ 

message: One problem with this article is that it conflates "Ringsel" with Buddhist relics in general, which is what sarira and the equivalent Chinese and Japanese terms mean. (By the way, 舍利子 means "Sariputra", which is not at all the same as sarira). Another thing is that the article says very little about who believes in ringsel; the article mentions Tibetans and one Theravadin. Is this an idea that crops up in all strands of Buddhism?—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 04:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, apparently 舍利子 has two meanings. Here's my source: , although apparently it is short for 舍利弗子. I'm familiar with 舍利子 meaning Śariputra from the Heart Sutra. Two different senses of 子, I guess.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 06:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: the link you cited is password protected :( but after some googling i am pretty sure you're right, still, that particular use of 舍利子 is about as obvious as when one use the English word "flag" out of context to refer the stuff you pave walkways with.  舍利子 is (almost) always interpreted as to mean Sarira. Philosophy.dude 23:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the password and the username are "guest". I have no opinion about the relative frequencies of different meanings of 舍利子, so I'll take your word for it.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 03:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About this article 

message: seems that there are quite a few crank sites that refers to sarira in a New Agey, astral projection, what-you-see-when-you-smoke-too-much-DMT kind of way. Anyone thinks that should be included here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosophy.dude (talk • contribs) 23:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: should we add sarira (new age)?

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replies: text: I did this a while back.Sjschen (talk) 17:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: The list included in the material properties section is poorly written and filled with unsourced information and personal opinions. Many of the numbered list items are actually subordinate points to the other items, making the reading of the list very confusing. I've tagged it both for citations and general clean up. Ig8887 (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Material Properties problems

message: The section beginning "The term sarira (शरीर) is a loanword from Sanskrit. The term "Sarira" originally means "body" in Sanskrit" is true as far as it goes,it is musleading in this context.  When "śarīraḥ" is used in the sense of "relics", it is always used in the plural in Sanskrit: "śarīrāḥ".  I can give a reference if wanted.  --Anam Gumnam (talk) 01:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Sanskrit

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message: I've been watching this article for a while, and have been reading this discussion page quite a lot as well. I have come to the conclusion that the future of this article, if it is to be spared deletion or being stripped down to almost nothing, can only be in a significant cleaning up of several problems:
1. POV: much of this article is written from the perspective of somebody obviously very deep into the buddhist dogma. The best use of this article would be to inform soberly and rationally from a more anthropological perspective, not simply to rattle of a list of various unsourced claims about "people from all different faiths feeling joy, enlightenment, inspiration, and spiritual change when they see the marvelous sarira of ancient masters."
2. Grammar: The above mock-quotation touched on this. Somebody editing this page obviously is not very proficient in english, yet for some reason they think it wise to make significant contributions to the english-language section of wikipedia.
3. Sources: Many of the sources for this english-language section page are not only in foreign script, but are blogs as well. Translating one of them through google, despite the butchered grammar and syntax, the impression was of complete unprofessional slavish devotion to the buddhist mythology.
This is not what wikipedia is about. This is a sloppy article, but inside it there is a more elegent, thoughtful, informative one trying to get out. To examine this phenomenon for what it is, a cultural quirk-belief, is far more valuable and interesting than to merely dedicate this page as a shrine to "the great ancient master who can make sarira appear by their thought." The article for the christian religious object "eucharist" provides a very good template. The sections include "etymology", "history", biblical origins, and different church's views on the ritual. The article calmly explains to the uninitiated what all the fuss is about.
As a very young child, I was very interested in all this crazy shit. UFOs, bigfoot, area 51, loch ness, spontaneous combustion, the bermuda triangle, and yes I even read about sarira in one of these books I collected. I'm familiar with the usual claims. I read them obsessively cover to cover. One particular book enthralled me: "Mysteries of the Unexplained". The title and content of the book was not a stone wall - I did not surrender to the inscrutable, unsolvable, intractable mystery - rather the title was a challenge. These phenomena, which at first appear to be something mystical and otherworldly... these tantalizingly unexplained phenomena were something to be explained. As time has gone on, I have seen that they can all be explained more rationally in one way or another than merely accepting them at face value.
Truly searching for understanding and knowledge is what this website is about - not the mindless acceptance of prefabricated answers to questions which were once too difficult to answer.
-- by me.
You are trying to explain something you rarely see or hear in your environment. It can easily make mistakes. There are little English books about Buddhism. But you may ask any buddhist master about sarira. They will tell you more. Most buddhists took the Five Precepts and they do not lie.
1. Religious prespective as a cultural phenomenon should be written.
3. Please see ALL links, not one. Some are in scientific perspective. Some are reliable sources.
Dihua(涤华禅师), Guanhui(观慧法师),Zhuzhai(竹斋法师) and three tibetan buddhists have words on their sarira.专持《金刚经》的观慧法师（释今空）的舌舍利千古一泰无名僧试说佛门舍利上圆下照法师藏傳佛教 談舍利子密乘成就者顶骨自生“阿”字三则/阿明_阿明_新浪博客
Marpa Lotsawa, Byayulba (嘉裕哇), Drikhung Kyopa Jigten Sumgyi Gönpo(止貢覺巴吉登松吉昆波), Rog Bande Shes rab 'od (若．喜饒峨(智光)), Kun-mkhyen dol-po-pa ses-rab-rgyal-mtshan (更欽．篤布巴), Jamgon Ju Mipham Gyatso's sariras show buddha 居士念佛终往生惊现佛像舍利花 or bodhisatta statues 花果山海寧寺驚現稀世觀音像舍利Yew bo (talk) 18:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Directions for this article 

message: Can this be some kind of Bezoar?
Kowloonese (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bezoar 

message: Where - outside of Tibet - is the word ringsel ever used to describe a relic? Google search doesn't uncover any clues.
:Kortoso  (talk) 03:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ringsel 

message: The Sanskrit word predates Buddhism and is used in Vedanta, Yoga, etc. philosophies (probably others of India,) as sthula-sarira (material body,) linga-sarira (etheric body.)--dchmelik (t|c) 18:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  predates Buddhism 

message: Episode 1 of the Tencent television adaptation of  The Three-Body Problem uses this term during a discussion between a scientist and a police captain, but it’s confusing because it seems to have multiple levels to the discourse or aphorism that gets lost in the translation to English. If someone could explain how sarira is used in this context it would be appreciated. I think it is being used as a pun or in a humorous manner, but it’s hard to say. Viriditas (talk) 10:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in The Three-Body adaptation