Talk:White-fronted capuchin

message: Oy! This article has a lot of great data which refers to many references, but the references themselves are missing. Help! - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This article probably should be reassessed to the new C category due to the citation issues.  But I am not sure if we have thatfor primates. Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Substituted at 20:19, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I think this article is need of substantial revision.  There have been quite a few reliable sources over the past 7 years that restrict Cebus albifrons to the Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin, or essentially what used to be regarded as the subspecies C. a. albifrons.  Examples include Boubli's 2012 paper on Cebus genetics and most if not all sources published since, such as Mittermeier, et al (2013), Handbook of the Mammals of the World, Rowe, et al (2016), All the World's Primates, IUCN and ITIS.  I have created articles for the newly recognized species (I used Handbook of the Mammals of the World, but All the World's Primates would be similar, and I have no problem with changing to that or a different source if there is consensus to do so).  But I am not sure how to handle this article, which purports to be a species article, but that species has since been significantly restricted.  If we can be confident that almost all the information in the current article is based on research on C. albifrons as currently defined, i.e., Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin, then the solution would seem to be to simply move this article to a new title, Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin, and possibly move some information specific to newly described species to the relevant articles.   But I am not sure we can be so confident that substantial information in this article does not refer to, say, C. aequatorialis or C. cuscinus or C. versicolor, for example.  If we cannot I think we should revise this article to be a "catch-all" article for all the taxa that used be considered C. albifrons, and no longer consider this a species article.  We could then create a new article covering under the title Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin to cover the species C. albifrons as currently defined.  
I faced a similar situation for white-faced capuchin, which I am more familar with and where the former C. capucinus was split into C. capucinus and C. imitator.  But there it was clear (and reliably sourced) that essentially all research on C. capucinus as previously defined had actually related to C. imitator.  So I was able to make the old C. capucinus article the new C. imitator imitator article (with a few minor changes), create a new article for C. capucinus as currently defined, and also a catch-all article for "white-faced capuchin" which serves mostly as a dab page but also has a little information relating to both species.  But there I was more familiar with the taxa involved, and I was confident that the split of information was clean, so I was able to proceed.  In this case I would like to get feedback if possible before moving ahead. 
I have a longer discussion of the more general situation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates#Updating our primary source for primate taxonomy. Rlendog (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading this article again and more closely, I think the catch-all approach will be necessary.  The article explicitly refers to research performed in Colombia, Ecuador, Trinidad and Peru.  C. albifrons, as currently defined, does not occur in Ecuador, Trinidad or Peru, and is one of several species within the former C. albifrons that occurs in Colombia, and within a fairly small range in Colombia at that.  With respect to Trinidad the researcher is listed as Katherine Phillips, who certainly no longer regards the Trinidad population as part of C. albifrons, based on her contribution to All the World's Primates (pp. 291-292).  The Trinidad information may be able to be cleanly excised (although it is still not clear how much of the general information provided on C. albifrons in the article was based on Phillips' research), but since there are more than one white-fronted capuchin species now in each of Peru and Ecuador, it would not necessarily be clear to which species that information belongs.  And for Colombia, it is not clear whether or not the information belongs to C. albifrons as currently understood, and if not to which of several Colombian species it belongs to. Rlendog (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the update as discussed.  This should probably be reviewed since I probably missed a few changes that should have been made.  I was able to identify some of the research described here as referring to the brown weeper capuchin, so I copied some material there.  To the extent we can identify other species specifically referenced by the research described in this article, we should copy those portions to the relevant articles as well. Rlendog (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated taxonomy