Talk:Environment Agency

message: Does anyone know if the Environment Agency qualifies as an Executive Agency? I was going to include it on the list of executive agenices but I wasnt sure. 81.77.29.41 02:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Executive agency? 

message: In my opinion, the length and the detail of the pig and poultry section recently added to this article is simply ridiculous.  Such detail is not needed and the section is almost as long as the entire rest of the article. Would someone please trim that section down? - mbeychok 17:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pig and poultry section very much needs shortening!! 

message: I note that the "Organizational Management" section includes the names of the current directors of each of the Directorates. Wikipedia includes the environmental agencies of many other nations ... and I believe that none of those others get into that level of detail. Is it really necessary here? The names will change with time and require monitoring and revisions. 
I don't see how that level of detailed minutia is necessary. What do others think? - mbeychok 20:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for inclusion is that, as an outsider, the Agency appears to be in the midst of a significant cultural shift. It has always been rather beaurocratic, risk averse and lumbering and has tried in recent years to be more dynamic and more willing to take a risk balanced approach. Part of this was reflected in the directorate composition. The apparent failure of the the directorate leading this innovative approach may reflect on the potential cultural shift of the Agency itself and may be a signal of a move back towards more prescriptive regulation. The names of the individuals are not greatly significant but may assist Wikipedia readers in their dealings with the Agency - all the names are in the public domain. Velela 21:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Velela, your response is an interesting bit of history. But it doesn't really explain why that level of detail is necessary, does it? I wasn't concerned as to whether or not the names are in the public domain ... rather I was asking whether that sort of detailed listing was needed in the article. It just seems to lengthen the article needlessly. Regards, - mbeychok 23:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the board of directors and roles should be listed.  As a reader I find the question about changes in IT interesting and should email the webmaster.  The source for list of names is buried in documents such as the 2006/7 annual report.  Isn't Graham Ledward still director of HR in the Bristol Office?  Thanks--BenjaminAlfredSamuel (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After thinking about it, and looking at other NDPBs and Agencies on Wikipedia, I have to say I agree with User:Mbeychok. Velela's comments have no bearing on whether names are necessary, but perhaps a "Criticism" section is needed to detail these issues (assuming there are valid citations of them), much like the NHS and others have. BenjaminAlfredSamuel may find the changes in IT interesting, but that doesn't make it relevant for a Wikipedia article. Comparing this article to other more developed articles demonstrates that Director's names are not relevant and should be removed. What do others think? RTFArt (talk) 16:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Remove director's names but the chief executive and chairman should stay. Bazonka (talk) 16:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it really necessary to include names of current department heads? 

message: As this source indicates, there has been a period of uncertainty, which the appointment of a new Chairman somewhat alleviates. The imminent departure of the current CEO is also of interest.
* Chris Smith to chair EA but Baroness to leave
The Directors of Finance and Water Management are also very close to retirement age, but since they haven't announced their intentions yet I haven't changed anything in that section.  
OceanKiwi (talk) 12:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course the future changes should be mentioned - but in text, not as part of the lists of chairmen / chief execs.  Your edit makes it look like the changes have already happened.  This is highly misleading. My edit that you reverted did mention the future changes - perhaps you hadn't spotted it. I'd also corrected the Corp Affairs director - this was reverted too.Bazonka (talk) 13:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Bazonka, you're right: I hadn't spotted your mention of the future changes. OceanKiwi (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes in senior management

message: A request for a Wikipedia:Third opinion was listed five days ago (diff).  Is a third opinion still needed?   — Athaenara  ✉  22:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still listed as WP:3 needed. I'm going to remove it because at least one person is mediating or providing a 3Op. Fr33kmantalk APW 19:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WP 3O question

message: Very nice work! A few suggestions:
*I think the most important thing is to add more references.  There shouldn't be any paragraphs without at least one reference (and in these cases, the ref should come at the end and endorse everything in the para, but this is not my favorite citation style because it's ambiguous whether the ref covers everything), and there definitely shouldn't be any sections without refs.  All statistics and quotes need refs.  
*All the references should be fleshed out with author, date, publisher, title, page numbers, and (for web references) access date.  You can use  for this.  
*Good flow - I like how one topic transitions smoothly into the next. 
*I would turn the bulleted list in the lead into prose.  
*Style point: a lot of sentences begin with The Environment Agency or The Agency  (e.g. in "Flood and coastal erosion") -- maybe change it up a bit for variety.  
*I think Probability reducing and Consequence reducing may need hyphens.  
*I like '£20 billion' much better than '£1.025bn', but whichever you choose it should be consistent. 
*I would do away with this sentence: The Environment Agency's vision is of a rich, healthy and diverse environment for present and future generations.  You mentioned troubles with keeping it neutral, and this seems a little troublesome on that score, even though you're quoting the institution.  I'd go with the 'show don't tell' principle and stick to the facts, like the previous sentence.  (Of course, now that section will be too small and may need to be integrated elsewhere).  
*explain difficult or unfamiliar terms and concepts such as water abstraction licences, Defra, Sir Michael Pitt. 
*Possible WP:NPOV problem: The Agency also helps people get the most out of the environment, including anglers and boaters. Says who?  How could this be objectively measured?  I'd scrap this sentence altogether.  
*I'd also opt for info over vague sentences like this, where possible: improve the quality of fisheries in England and Wales by improving habitat.  the concept of improving is too vague to be especially helpful. 
*Images are good and free or appropriately FU rationalized.  Great work on the logo rationale  RTFArt!
*The need for references is particularly vital when dealing with information related to a living person that is potentially controversial or critical.  I've removed the content about Barbara Young until a reference can be provided. All quotes should be sourced anyway, but we have to be particularly vigilant about this when it's info that could harm someone. 
Overall well done and well written.  I would upgrade to B class if it weren't for the problem with lack of citations--give me a heads up when these are provided and I'll look again.  Definitely drop me a note if I can provide any further explanation or be of any help with anything.  delldot talk 02:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points, being tackled - but you are a bit too lenient on the consultant/bureaucrat gobbledegook. Motmit (talk) 23:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested feedback 

message: Many of the references would benefit from being formatted as Citation Templates. Have changed some. Help appreciated.Tim P (talk) 22:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation templates 

message: Picking up from what Tim P has started above, the Environment Agency has completely reworked it's website and consequently broken a whole bunch of links and refences. This will take a bit of effort to find the relevant information, or new sources if they have been redacted. RTFArt (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Swines - they must have realised how close we were getting to working out what they do! Motmit (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment Agency Website Changes 

message: The notional £3.5 billion figure does not appear on either of the directly linked web pages ref 7 and 8 and therefore may be considered unfounded. It does appear in the 2000 document  p. 26, but not as far as I can see in the 2004 document. I suggest changing these references to support the statement Regards Motmit (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Damage Prevention

message: I feel that the current overall structure, which deals with the details of what the EA does before getting into how it is organised works quite well - as most readers will be interested in the former than the latter. Because the EA is a bit of a mish-mash of regulatory bodies and the old NRA service provision stuff, it's always going to be easier for a reader to understand if these bits are dealt with separately. If you, or others, have another suggestion, by all means share. OceanKiwi (talk) 17:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Structure

message: I have been trying to fill a gaping hole in Wikipedia by creating and writing most of Environmental monitoring and Freshwater environmental quality parameters‎ (which probably needs to change to  Environmental quality control parameters). On the assumption that those watching this page may either be working for the Environment Agency or have an interest in it, I would appreciate other editors contributing knowledge and references. Many thanks  Velela  Velela Talk   11:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Velela - I would help if I could but as an outsider it's enough of a challenge to get to grips with navigation, flooding and organisation. In fact I was hoping someone could develop the other aspects - which is rather turning it back on you! Regards Motmit (talk) 17:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Environmental monitoring

message: Add Topic:   99.190.82.217 (talk) 07:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in citation given; partially in the title, but titles are not reliable even if the source were reliable.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 08:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The EA has a Climate Change Team as part of its Evidence Directorate. The following text is off the EA Intranet: "The Environment Agency has a lead role in adapting England and Wales to the impacts of climate change (adaptation), and limiting the effects by guiding the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions (mitigation). We aim to ensure that adaptation and mitigation measures minimise environmental harm and support environmental improvement, energy security and sustainable development." I can access this beacuse I work there, but I don't think this is directly usable as a source. The gist of it certainly deserves a place in the article though. Bazonka (talk) 11:34, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point.  I also see little relationship between the IP's section and the "gist" of your comment.  Perhaps you could propose something?  The existence of a "Climate Change Team" should be documented somewhere on the outside....  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 14:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick search of the EA website gives this page , stating "We are taking a leading role in limiting and preparing for the impacts of climate change." Bazonka (talk) 16:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

text: See related wikilinks Climate change mitigation, Adaptation to global warming, Human impact on the environment, Environmental resources management, Sustainability and environmental management, etc ...  97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  ... Sustainability#Definition, Ecosystem services, Planetary boundaries, Planetary management, ...  99.181.158.237 (talk) 04:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  What point are you trying to make? Bazonka (talk) 10:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bazonka, It appears to be directed to Mr. Rubin, see the past months of Special:Contributions/Arthur_Rubin.  Also note that User:Arthur Rubin has a history of deleting others User Talk page comments, clear Wikipedia:TPG violations.  If of continued interest, User:Arthur Rubin (Arthur Rubin) on User Talk:Zodon http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zodon&diff=429845197&oldid=429841834  ... on March 30th 2011 it was User talk:Granitethighs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Granitethighs&diff=prev&oldid=421531277 and User talk:OhanaUnited  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:OhanaUnited&diff=421531280&oldid=421528249 These are related to :Template:Sustainability and Sustainability (and related topics).   99.190.80.91 (talk) 06:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You should know who it was directed to to whom it was directed, because you wrote it.  And, although this talk page comment has nothing to do with editing this article, or, for that matter, any other article, I'm not going to delete it.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 07:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add ''Topic'' "The EA is concerned with [[climate change]] and Energy, per http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/115167.aspx 

message: Almost everything here, including the logo has been tampered with, and not for the better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.120.27 (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What on earth are you talking about? Bazonka (talk) 19:40, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its just vandalism like his/her other edits . Sigh.........  Velella  Velella Talk   22:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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