Talk:Frankie Laine

message: I just read the bio on Frankie Laine.  It mentions his marriage to Nan and now to Marcia.  It does not mention his engagement to Anita Craighead, who he met and lived with for three years before she died at their home.  She was with him when he purchased his winery and when he recorded his album in, what was it, 1995?  Marcia was a friend of theirs who helped both Frank and I when Mom was so sick.  I am happy to see so much on Frank, he's certainly earned it.  But there's never any mention at all of my mom, who Frank loved dearly.  Anita was a great part of his life after Nan, and does deserve some mention.
Christine Craighead, San Diego, CA christinecraighead@hotmail.com
Sorry about the oversight, Christine -- I was unaware of this part of Mr. Laine's life and will add it to the bio (assuming the article isn't blocked). --MPendragon
38.75.33.201 (talk) 10:13, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I think the sections from discography down could be cut. Do we need to list every guest appearance, lyric credit and album-track he did? I think this has moved from enyclopedic content to a list of indiscriminate information. Robdurbar 10:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well having made that comment, I formatted the page to remove some of the guest TV appearances - these are clearly irrelevant - and just make the list a bit more attractive, rather than remove it. I'm not defending any of those other pages - I havn't looked at them, to be honest, and don't intend to as they're probably all quite crap. Robdurbar 09:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overly Long

message: I think this article suffers from hyperbole and should be edited for NPOV. Design 12:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Which bits do we feel should be taken out - or is it a case of editing through the whole page? Robdurbar 12:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems kind of, well very actually, hyperbolic to me and I just read it. I've barely heard of this guy, but it comes close to implying he's bigger than the Beatles and Elvis combined. He "excelled at virtually every music style", "The first and biggest of a new breed of black-influenced singers who came to prominence in the post-WWII era"(as it doesn't specify what segment of the post-war era is meant this would include Elvis et alia by extension), etc. He was apparently big in Britain and I've noticed British Wikipedians seem to be far more enthusiastic about musicians of his generation than Americans. Anyway that you can source many claims is interesting, but not persuasive. I can find gushy sources, sources that include musicians, for almost any major singer. The over-250 million records statement is from a fan site, although a more credible site puts him at over 150 million. So he's big, but I think this is definitely exaggerating how big.--T. Anthony 10:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair point - all claims are sourced. Personally i think that pretty much all singer pages need overhauling... Robdurbar 09:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm with all of you on this one; this article reads rather like a tabloid piece. Time for the coloured pen to come out!  Hushpuckena (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hyperbole]]

message: Please point out all disputed passages, including your reasons for taking issue with them, along with any evidence you have to the contrary.  Until such time as any specific items are cited, I have (and shall continue to) removed the NPOV designation. --MPendragon
This is easy, These are direct quotes;
"Laine excelled at virtually every music style" Death Metal, punk rock, rap included?
"The first and biggest of a new breed of black-influenced singers who came to prominence in the post-WWII era" This is news to Elvis
"His 1946 recording of the blues ballad "That's My Desire" remains a landmark record signalling the end of both the big bands and the crooning styles favored by contemporaries Dick Haymes and Frank Sinatra." Dino, Sinatra, Crosby, Martin and Como and Pat Boone were all bigger record sellers than him
"His soulful, masculine style dealt a severe blow to the predominant crooning styles of the day. As pop jazz vocalist Kay Starr expressed it: "A crooner is so soft, he could be a girl. Frank sounded like a man -- Crosby was good Octave lower than him, sounded pretty masculine to me.
"Laine was a key figure in the golden age of popular music, and remains, quite possibly the greatest singer of all time." True or not this is not a appropriate thing for an encyclopedia to assert. 
--Sicamous 22:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite Instances

message: What high school did Frankie Laine attend and did he graduate and if so when?
Dave Ennes
dennes01@netzero.net
Check Chicago rosters, late 1920's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.193.108 (talk) 07:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frankie Laines high scool 

message: This isn't meant to sound like one of those clueless "Oh, is he still alive?" posts, but in my case I distinctly remember seeing a news story about 10 years ago that he had died! Presumably this must have been a report about his stroke. But I remember being saddened by the report because I always liked his music. Maybe a more in-depth fan can confirm this -- was there in fact mistaken media reports that he had passed away? I'm not one to make this kind of an error so there must have been some bogus report on this. And it's not impossible for the media to make a major mistake like this - it happened to Abe Vigoda and Bob Hope, for two examples. 23skidoo 19:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Glad he's still alive

message: Please stopped deleting sourced material from this page Sicamous.  Thank you.
Pease stop adding unsourced fan gush like,: 
Pop Singer With lots of style POV 
excelled at virtually every music style POV 
Laine was the first and biggest of a new breed of black-influenced Agian, Elvis was a whole lot bigger,  and Unsourced to boot. Also POV 
Frank Sinatra represented perhaps the highest flowering of a quarter century tradition of crooning but suddenly found himself an anachronism    The is POV 
Please see NPOV to see how to write this article properly, with a neutral point of view with only facts, not how wonderful and talented and amzing the singer was or is. It does not matter where the material was sourced from if it is a POV. For example, a fan site with blather on and on about how great the artists is, if that source is used, showing how great the artists it is   POV, it should no be included here. Remember, this is a encyclopedia, not a directory of fan sites. 
Thank You for not adding POV.
--Sicamous 00:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourced:

message: The first few sections read very well (except a since corrected use of first name), and then it gets to the Columbia section... I have cut some of the worst fancruft type text, but much of it reads like a fans website. I have asked for citations on one or two assertions, since they could be notable if a decent source/reference can be found. It is really a lot better to the memory of Frankie Lane that his article reads like a well balanced encyclopedic piece rather than uncritical fandom. LessHeard vanU 22:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What ever happened to WP:NPOV? 

message: The references need to be rewritten.  Please let me know if you need help or have any questions - this will be some tedious work.  --ElKevbo 00:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work!  You've definitely earned a Barnstar for this one!  --ElKevbo 18:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

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thread_title: Citations & References

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message: "his other nicknames include Mr. Rhythm, Old Leather Lungs, Mr Steel Tonsils, and Cunt."  Huh?  No reference and how did this get in there?  Deleted.  Willmoon (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames

message: This may sound strange, but can anyone add the correct pronunciation of his last name? Is it Lane or Lay-knee?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.52.134 (talk) 11:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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