Talk:John Cena/Archive 4

message: Archive 3 is now up. I tried to just delete the non article related/off topic conversation that was clogging the page, but it was still pretty unwieldy. The only topics that were alive and current to the articles content (as far as I can see) were the one on the alleged Asperger's Syndrome and possibly the one about his former bodybuilding career.
Please don't use the talk page for discussion on Cenas talent or any ongoing angles/gimmicks with him or anyone else. The talk page is for discussion on the articles content only.-- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 05:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive 3

message: Where has the picture of Cena winning the belt at Wrestlemania 21 gone to and I would like to ask the same about the picture of him with the his custom United States Championship. We also need a picture with his current Chain Gang Assult Batalion shirt because it deals with the release of his movie The Marine. Could someone please add them back. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.8 (talk) 
:"Fair use" images have been deleted as they added nothing to the article. His having a new shirt to promote his movie isn't notable. «»bdI'm cool!I'm cocky! I'm bad! 06:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His movie is important, and is mentioned. The shift to a "soldier" gimmick is mentioned too, though it should be under 2006, where I shall add it. Having a shirt made, however, it is not important. Noting that would open a door to mention every time a wrestler has a new shirt made to go with a new gimmick or catch phrase. I don't know where the title belt pictures went, but I'll try to replace them in a second. «»bd(talk stalk) 01:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Absurd, and illegal. -- THL 20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Like has already been said, there's no need for an image of his t-shirt in this article.«»bd(talk stalk) 02:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: The article states that the picture showing John Cena giving the FU to Kurt Angle is from the video game WWE: Day of Reckoning 2 but clearly it is not.
Somebody, who is not a new member (the article is locked for newer members), should edit the text claiming the picture coming from the video game.
62.65.77.155 14:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Day of Reckoning 2" picture

message: I have protected this page! The vandalism on this page is unreal!! I hate Cena as much as the next person, and I think he is terrible in the ring, but this vandalism is just immature and very juvenile! Please no one take off the protection on this page. Thanks. --Fr3nZi3 16:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia, especially its article talk pages, is not the place to have fan discussions.  Your like, dislike, or any other feelings regarding a wrestler or anyone's biography page are not relevant to the content and maintenance of the articles.  This space was designed to be used to discuss changes to the articles.  Please find a wrestling web site with a forum to discuss such matters further.  Thanks. --Naha|(talk) 21:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Why bother? The "FMOD" aren't even supposed to be here. Blacklist 03:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you removed it per above. Good. Blacklist 03:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If we did that the list would potentially become incredibly unwieldy. The current list of signature moves is fine.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: I put down how people attack Cena for his Five moves of doom in hopes that there will be less vandalism, but took it back due to the fact it might be taken as vanalism.
:Why bother? The "FMOD" aren't even supposed to be here. Blacklist 03:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you removed it per above. Good. Blacklist 03:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If we did that the list would potentially become incredibly unwieldy. The current list of signature moves is fine.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Five Moves Of Doom

message: I've heard John Cena has a 'wooden / artificial leg'... is this true? 41.243.32.211 11:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. -- THLCCD 12:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wooden Leg 

message: It is not really working as I have seen some vandalism on here even when protected. Registered users who have been here a while can still edit. Even if only administrators can only edit this page, sadly people will just wait, be the best account they can be, ask for administration, then vandalize this page immediately afterwards. Maybe they will get tired of it due to the fact the vandals of this page come in groups. If it keeps getting vandalized to a point they will get bored since everyone is doing it and leave. But then again it might not work since this guy is so hated and if they were to get bored they would have a long time ago. So I guess I am just asking when this page is going to be unblocked so it can be updated more quickly since I always see stuff from a month ago being the end of it.  — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr Five Moves Of Doom (talk • contribs) 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go through the history and look at the page when the lock comes off. Every single time this page is hit incredibly hard and the lock has to come right back on. «»bd(talk stalk) 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It was unblocked, then vandalized 15+ times in the span of a day justifying locking it again. Don't look forward to it being unblocked for very long anytime soon because people are going to continue to be childish.«»bd(talk stalk) 18:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How long is this block going to last?

message: I recall an episode of some WWE show where Cena was still kind of new, and they showed him in a Marines uniform on the jumbotron - was that just Kayfabe, or was it real?
--Goatrider 03:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Career?? 

message: Hasn't Cena been called "The Doctor Of Thuganomics". I'm sure that when he came into he ring during Wrestlemania 22 that was said. El-Diablo666 19:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added "Chain Gang Soldier" and "The Champ". The Champ is kinda iffy, but it gives the section something. «»bd(talk stalk) 00:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames

message: What about when Cena was stabbed? Was that real or kayfabe? Should it be added to the article? Cobra wwe 07:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned under 2004 when it happened.«»bd(talk stalk) 14:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, I see. -- THL 23:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stabbing

message: bvde has a problem with me adding John Cena's other match into the article and I'm tired of reverting, lets discuss.-- Kings bibby win 03:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not notable. The Federline match is because it ended that feud.«»bd(talk stalk) 14:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Federline isn't coming back.«»bd(talk stalk) 17:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: True, but John Cena F-U'd Federline also. I think it should be added.
-- Kings bibby win 20:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank You. Thats all I really wanted. I'm glad that we changed it so BOTH of us agree unlike Somebody.--Kings bibby win 02:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 detail

message: I see in the body of the article that the STFU is listed as a combination of the "STF" move and the "F-U" finishing move. I read somewhere (and unfortunately cannot find the reference) that it's actually so named after the internet shorthand for "Shut The Fuck Up". Can anyone else confirm this?
Bigsnake 19 02:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's both, and used to be in there as such.«»bd(talk stalk) 03:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've never heard that on WWE TV. Only the STF + FU combination was implied when the move was introduced. --Maestro25 20:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The STFU is an STF, which according to Wikipedia is a submission move invented by Lou Thez, with a U added at the end to match John Cena's other finishing move. It's not a combination of moves, though I have seen him follow the F-U with the STFU. Doublenickle59 23:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The STFU is an STS.«»bd(talk stalk) 02:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless you took the picture of him and Federline, or it's otherwise "free use", we can't have it on thie page.«»bd(talk stalk) 15:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I have no idea what your complaint is. Cena looks exactly the same now as he does in the picture with Kurt Angle, it's a free image, thus there's no reason to replace it. No matter how many threats you plan yo make. The image is from one year ago, that's not "ages".«»bd(talk stalk) 19:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STFU 

message: Okay, maybe I missed this... but when they worked this storyline, Booker T was supposed to walk away with Cena's title when he beat him, correct? So... with Cena without a title, how did he magically manage to regain it about two weeks later? It seemed like a glaring inconsistency on the WWE creative team's behalf to me at first but then I considered that maybe I missed something that showed him regaining it. Anyone care to elaborate? --75.2.60.123 19:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champion of Champions 

message: Didn't Cena appear in commercials for an energy drink or an herbal supplement or something? «»bd(talk stalk) 22:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, found it, added it.«»bd(talk stalk) 22:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other commercials

message: Does Anyone Agree That Cena Should Have A Critsim Or Conterversy Section? eg.5 Moves Of Doom, Wrestling Skill.....
(Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 22:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. There was one, it has been integrated into the article. There is no need to mention the 5 moves of doom, it's something a small number of internet only fans talk about and is not notable.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, more then 85% of fans like him. 65.90.51.40 04:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't confuse "wrestling fans on the internet" with "wrestling fans in general". «»bd(talk stalk) 02:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: All that stuff, about differing chants in different arenas, had it's own section and it was monstrous and distracting. That's why it was put into the rest of the article. Besides, recently the crowds have been pretty solidly behind him and there's been no reason to mention it.«»bd(talk stalk) 02:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be done if we work to enforce the rules. I figure that if we demand reliable sources for the facts, and we work to keep the "smark cruft" out, then we could drastically cut down on the size of the section. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 05:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conterversy Section

message: It's been a consensus lately on the Internet, despite Cena's lack of popularity with those fans, that his feud with Edge was the finest wrestling feud of the year, should this be noticable, or should, like the IWC's negative approach to Cena, be shunned in favour of more company-based awards?
, 17:53 PM, 16th January 2007 (UTC)
:First, nothing is being shunned. Second only actual awards (PWI/WON) are listed. I tried to get RSPW awards listed, but no one else went for it.«»bd(talk stalk) 18:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bring it up on the WP:PW talk page.«»bd(talk stalk) 17:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feud of the Year

message: I just read on WWE.com that he might be injured, a ruptured spleen apparently. Is this mere kayfabe? I'm asking because it's presented in the same format that the latest legit injuries that, by the way, seem to plague WWE again after many years. (Triple H). If anyone can research and it turns to be true, please add it.
Oh, one more thing i'm curious about. I've been in wikipedia for about 5-6 months, and so far i've never seen this page unprotected. So my question is, how much time before you're not considered a 'new user' and are therefore allowed to edit protected articles? Thanks.Vicius 01:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: kayfabe injury.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: As to your second question, I believe "new user" status goes away after a user has made a certain number of edits to the encyclopedia, not after they have been a memmber for a certain number of days/weeks/months/etc. --Naha|(talk) 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injury? 

message: Can it be mentioned that John Cena has won BOTH his New Year's Revolution matches via schoolboy. I only ask because I find this fact absolutely hilarious considering the importance of both matches (An elimination chamber and beating someone with a 7 month long streak). As a secondary point does anyone know whether Cena's difficulty in lifting Umaga was kayfabe or real. I find it hard to believe that a man who can lift the 500 pound big show would have trouble with a guy like Umaga. Natural 20 23:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems completely non notable what kind of pin was used to end the matches, we don't mention it if a wrestler uses a lateral press at every WrestleMania. And I think you answered your own question on the second one«»bd(talk stalk) 23:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Years Revolution and Schoolboys 

message: It was said awhile back on WWE.com about Cena coming out with a new album. Does anybody have information about it? I think he still has a contract with Sony/BMG music. -- Weatherman289 05:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite the contract or the second album go ahead and add it under the music section.«»bd(talk stalk) 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It can be speculated. He's currently under contract, with a second album being planned.«»bd(talk stalk) 21:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I guess when we hear something about it from WWE or John himself I'll leave the music section alone. We'll just be on the wait for the new album. - Weatherman289 22:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Album? 

message: Over at Wikiquote, we've had persistent problems with editors creating junk quote articles for wrestlers. One very popular target has been q:John Cena, which I've just locked because, after it was deleted for containing no sourced content, various anonymous editors have been recreating it with silly threats, vandalism, and other irrelevancies.
I'm writing this because I'm hoping that the Wikipedians who are interested in Cena and who have shown that they understand how to reliably source material might want to establish at least a stub article of sourced quotes. Wikiquote could really use a prototype pro-wrestler quote article to show such a thing is possible. If there are any takers, please collect some sourced quotes and respond here, and I'll take down the temporary protection to see if we can do a better job. Thank you very much. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiquote article 

message: Can someone add to the Movies secion of Cena's site that THE MARINE is the #1 DVD and the sales have been very good.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.200.200 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 16 February 2007  (UTC)
:That belongs on the Marine article, not this one.«»bd(talk stalk) 15:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD SALES

message: I have a friend that is incredably into wrestling. Like a year before Cena's film the Marine, i found out from him that Cena himself used to be a Marine. Because my friend is also a marine, now discharged for being a fag (sucks huh), but he wants to be a wrestler now cuz hes emulating Cena's career path. Im pretty certain he didn't make this up. Is there anywhere to look it up? News article, bio, backround story on the marine(fim) commentary where its metnioned, maybe a usmc.gov list of famour marines? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qrc2006 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but new users aren't expected to know the Wikipedia way as well as we are yet. Adding OR is arguably the most common mistake next to adding POV statements. You have to be careful. You have to AGF. 声援 -- The Hybrid 20:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon further investigation tis guy isn't new. While I still think that you were too harsh, it is a little bit out of the realm of biting. Incivil, yes, but I guess you didn't bite him. 声援 -- The Hybrid 23:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Paris Island inferance is just conjecture however, could somebody with LexusNexus try and find out for sure. And I didn't overhear it from a friend. I was told by him and he's a Cenaholic, In fact I should tell em to get on here, you'd have a one-man watchdog for life. He tends to know his shit. So I don't know could someone try and find out for sure? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qrc2006 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll post at the help desk alsoqrc2006/email 20:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was not a real marine. It has never been mentioned anywhere at any point in time. If it was, I'm sure he would already be listed at Wikipedias List of famous U.S. Marines like Randy Orton is. Bmg916 Speak to Me 20:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he a real marine? 

message: You have listed that one of John Cena's signature moves is a diving legdrop (to the back of the opponents head. It is not a diving leg drop because most of the time, the opponent is not laying down and is standing up in a bent over position. That is not a diving legdrop. It is in fact, a Diving or Jumping Leg Drop Bulldog AKA: Super Fameasser / Super Famouser / Ass Kisser. In 2 maybe three of Monty Sopp's (AKA: Billy Gunn, AKA: Kip James) last interview's he was asked a question about his opinion of John Cena using Billy Gunn's trademark move. He replied by saying he didn't mind but that Cena does not do it better then him. Not only did the main user of this move acknowledge it as a famouser/super famouser but, if you look at the definition for diving legdrop and look at the definition for diving leg drop bulldog and watch how Cena uses the move (the way he does it a majority of the time recently, i don't know about before) you well then see it is not a diving leg drop and it is the Super Fame Asser.
This is logical and correct. Big Boss 0 22:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing it a handful of times does not make it signature. Stop adding it.«»bd(talk stalk) 22:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't. It violates the pro wrestling wikiproject style guide.«»bd(talk stalk) 19:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Triple H used the indian deathlock as a finisher early on in his career, so a bad example. ↪Lakes (Talk) 21:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll revert that back. So there! Haha! --Maestro25 22:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature Moves 

message: On Cena's page, he's listed as PWI's Most Popular Wrestler in 2003 and 2004, but the page for PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year, lists the winners as Angle and Guerrero, respectively. Anyone know which source is inaccurate? WikiFew 21:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Cena, an anon IP vandalized the page and change a bunch of the results. TJ Spyke 04:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PWI Most Popular Wrestler? 

message: Wrestlemania 20: Fought the Big Show. Big show is now retired.
Wrestlemania 21: Fought JBL. JBL has given up wrestling due to injury.
Wrestlemania 22: Fought Triple H. Triple H is out with a Serious leg injury.
Should something be mentioned about how all his wrestlemania opponents are injured and/or retired?
While interesting, it seems like Original Research to me. Bmg916 Speak to Me 16:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Undertaker or not. It amounts to Original Research Bmg916 Speak to Me 13:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrestlemania Curse?

message: John Cena is a 5 time wwe champion— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.212.106 (talk) 
:No, he's a 3 time champion.«»bd(talk stalk) 15:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: unsigned comment

message: Should it be mentioned that at consecutive wrestlemania's that Cena has made Triple H and Shawn Michaels tap out to the STFU? This is pretty big. He has also retained his title twice at wrestlemania when the World Heavyweight Champion failed to defend his title. Maybe we should mention this too. Big Boss 0 03:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also more cruft with more relevant material. We have to be very strict about what we add, as it is easier to make a mistake around this time. -- The Hybrid 23:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Defeat of DX

message: on the April 2, 2007 edition of Raw, Cena and Micheals lost their title to the Hardys in a 10 or 20 team battle royal. but was it really a 10 or 20 team battle royal? The match was recycled (re-done). Dro Boy April 2, 2007 23:05
:eh it was two seperate 10 team battle royals. A total of 19 teams competed. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 03:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 18 teams. Cena/Michaels and Helms/Guerrero were in both. They were two seperate 10 team battle royals. TJ Spyke 04:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 or 20 team? 

message: is he named after his dad? because alot of articles i have read say stuff like john cena jr..
BlitzerNatu 04:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named after his dad? 

message: When will this fuckin' vandalism sign expire? I want to contribute in Pro Wrestling but I can't because it gets vandalised too much. And I'm so fucking tired of the vandalism that used to be in the article: Cena Sucks *Cena is a Bitch *Cena, Two Words for You: Suck It!. Fuck that. Pro Game Master87
While foul language isn't against the rules, and using it on a small scale is fine, overuse turns some people off. Anyway, it is an indefinite semi-protection. Every single time the article is unlocked it gets hammered by vandals. However you will be able to edit the article once your account has existed for 4 days, so just have a little patience and you will be able to contribute. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 09:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Just wanted to say good work. This is one of the best referenced articles on a professional wrestler that I have seen. Sancho 18:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice work 

message: YIKES!new pic please.The Pink Panther 02:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to go with whatever free-use photos we have. Fair-use images are a no-no per WP:FAIRUSE#Policy clause 1. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 11:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture