Template talk:User Han Chinese

message: I'm a little bothered by some HongKong or Taiwan editors on this article. Chinese people refers to Zhonghua Minzu not just Han Chinese. Zhonghua Minzu is the Descendants of the Dragon. Everyone agrees on this. Stop change this article back and forth.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edipedia (talk • contribs) 
:Like I mentioned in the Chinese dragon article, can you provide sources to substantiate that all people of Chinese nationality refer to themselves as Descendants of the Dragon?  --- Hong Qi Gong 15:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only Han Chinese is Chinese people? 

message: Dragon is the symbol of Chinese emperor. The true meaning of "龍的傳人" is subjects of the Dragon (Emperor). More elegantly, we use "Descendant of the Dragon". Genghis Khan, Kangxi, Qianlong and many other Chinese emperors are considered to be "真龙天子". But they are not Han Chinese. All the ethnic groups in China are subjects of verious Chinese emperors (Han Chinese emperor or other ethnic emperors). So all the ethnics in China are "Descendants of the Dragon". 
Beside all the ethnic groups participated in the formation of Han Chinese. They're entitled to be "Descendant of the Dragon" if they like to. It is just stupid to say that "漢族是龍的傳人。". At least, nobody say so in China. 
There are historic reasons to say that Zhonghua Minzu is the "Descendant of the Dragon", not just Han Chinese. These are indicated in the Chinese version of 汉族的主体zh: 华夏族
公元前2700年夏族领袖黄帝东进，战胜华族领袖炎帝，两族达成联盟并将蚩尤灭掉，占据整个中原，华夏二族逐渐融合成华夏族。后来华夏族融合了藏缅族、吐火罗人、东夷、通古斯族、西戎、祝融氏、蚩尤后代、匈奴、鲜卑等。西汉时期，一个以华夏族为基础的新民族：汉族产生了。汉代汉族是由华夏族与东夷族、楚族融合而成的，也有部分羌族的血液。
到了现代,大陆也有很多学者，媒体称汉族和其他少数民族等中华民族为“华夏民族”。
:Zhonghua Minzu also includes such peoples as Tibetans, Russian minorities, Korean minorities, etc etc.  There are 55 ethnic minority groups in Zhonghua Minzu.  Do they all consider themselves Descendants of the Dragon?
:Besides, this template is now for Han Chinese specifically.  Stop changing the wikilink to Zhonghua Minzu.  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjects of the Dragon (Emperor) 

message: Dragon is not for Han Chinese.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edipedia (talk • contribs) 2006-08-01
:Han Chinese do refer to themselves as "Descendants of the Dragon".  The disagreement that we have is whether or not everybody in Zhonghua Minzu also refer to themselves as "Descendants of the Dragon".  --- Hong Qi Gong 16:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template does not say only Han Chinese refer to themselves as "Descendants of the Dragon".  Your edit is unjustified and illogical.  --- Hong Qi Gong 16:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: What?  --- Hong Qi Gong 16:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: What are you talking about?  --- Hong Qi Gong 16:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This template does not state that only Han Chinese identify as "Descendants of the Dragon".  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Why not?  Han Chinese refer to themselves as "Descendants of the Dragon".  The template is neutral on Zhonghua Minzu and other ethnic groups.  All it is concerned with is Han Chinese.  And it does not say that only Han Chinese refer to themselves as "Descendants of the Dragon".  I don't know what the problem is.  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That makes no sense.  Again, I repeat.  The template does not say only Han Chinese are Descendants of the Dragon.  You need to stop reverting.  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No.  Nothing on the template says only Han Chinese are Descendants of the Dragon.  Saying "A is B" is not the same thing as saying "Only A is B".  Your reasoning is illogical.  Please stop reverting.  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No.  Nothing on the template says only Han Chinese are Descendants of the Dragon.  Saying "A is B" is not the same thing as saying "Only A is B".  Your reasoning is illogical.  Please stop reverting.  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: There's no rule that says we need to have something unique for this.  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Exactly.  And Han Chinese refer to themselves as Descendants of the Dragon.  The information is accurate.  It doesn't say anything about other ethnic groups in China.  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That is irrelevant (and unsubstantiated).  This template is about Han Chinese.  Not about any other ethnic group.  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  乾隆是龍

message: Can I add back :Category:Han Chinese Wikipedians?  User:MatthewFenton reverted that out when he restored the template to its original form.  --- Hong Qi Gong 19:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you dont have to ask to edit. Just dont revert until all parties have settled the dispute. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 20:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright.  I've also taken care of that little alphabetical order problem that User:Edipedia was talking about.  --- Hong Qi Gong 20:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a category