Talk:Pine nut

message: Pinon Pine Nuts are an important traditional holiday and seasonal food throught out the Southwestern U.S. Families would collect the food in the fall and have it available through out the holidays. Everyone from the southwest recounts family stories of collecting and roasting pinon nuts. Gift giving of roasted pinon pine nuts was a common practice. The smell of roasting pinon is absolutely enticing. On the East Coast of United States, the nuts were sold as "Indian Nuts".  
Unless people use the traditions they are forgotten.  The draught and other factors have impacted the Pinyon's nut production.  If your purchase pine nuts pre- roasted, ASK how what process was used.   We advise against  MICROWAVE ROASTING. It ruins the food. 
Many, many web sites wish to call any pine nut a pinon. The real test of a Pinon Nut falls within the law of New Mexico:
25-10-2. Unlawful labeling, advertising or selling of products as pinon nuts. 
A.     It is unlawful for any person to package any product and label the product as pinon nuts or as containing pinon nuts or to use the words pinon nuts in any prominent location on the label of such product or to advertise, sell or offer for sale any product which is labeled pinon nuts or as containing pinon nuts unless the product consists of pinon nuts or uses pinon nuts as an ingredient in the product.    
B.     As used in this section, "pinon nuts" means the edible nut which is the product of the pinon tree, scientifically known as genus "pinus", subgenus "strobus", section "parrya", subsection "cembroides"
Public Land use in the United States and Pine Nuts 
POLITICS OF PUBLIC LAND and Special Interests 
The politics of the Western cattle industry and public land grazing is the primary reason. From 1950-72 the USFS and BLM cleared ("chained") over 3,211,000 acres of pinion-juniper to create grazing land. Before the huge corporations controlled grazing permits, pine nuts were harvested by the box car load and readily available. Those were the days before the chain-saw, bull dozer, massive herbicide treatments, the American Cattle’s Association and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The days before large expanses of maturing pine nut trees were destroyed to grow grass for cattle --- at taxpayer expense. 
Pinyon pinenuts sustained the native peoples of the Great Basin for over 10,000 years. The soft-shelled pinyon pinenut, (p.monophylla) provided primary protein to the Shoshone, Piautes and Washo peoples, containing substantial amounts of the amino acids necessary for human growth. It was a sacred part of the way they lived. Between 1865 to 1877, Native lands had been overrun with cattle and sheep. The pinion pines, which they depended upon for a pine nut crop each fall, were rapidly being cut down for fuel for the mine smelters. Smelting a ton of ore required from twenty-five to thirty-five bushels of charcoal. The mills at Eureka consumed as much as 1.25 million bushels of charcoal a year, destroying the Indians' pine nut groves.
I have worked very hard with land use and pine nuts in the United States. The contribution is based on material from my web site and I am pleased to see this excellent forum.
Pinon Penny
:The laws cited above of course only apply in New Mexico. The definition of 'piñon' depends on language; in the original Spanish, it referred primarily to the European species Pinus pinea, but simply means 'pine nut' without any precise species definition and only later used for Pinus cembroides etc by Spanish colonists. I suspect the New Mexico law could easily be challenged in court, should someone wish to do so - MPF 14:46, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced how much variation there is between species; by far the biggest difference is between fresh, and stale, pine nuts, regardless of species. Which is why each group of people, everywhere, says their local species tastes best, because the imported ones are no longer fresh and don't taste good any more. Ask a Spaniard in Spain, and they'll tell you Pinus pinea tastes best, as that's local grown and fresh. Ask a Korean in Korea, and they'll say Pinus koraiensis. Any pine nut, whatever species, once it's been shipped half way round the world (usually not refrigerated, either), no longer tastes good. My test for a fresh pine nut is to see if it will germinate; so far, I've never succeeded with any shop-bought pine nut. - MPF 20:03, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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message: Hey, would anyone object if I removed the phrase Red Indian from this text? I know it's used overseas to differentiate native American Indians from subcontinential India Indians, but it's considered somewhat offensive here in the U.S. to call people by color. Thanks. jengod 20:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it is there is to provide the etymological derivation of the term "Indian nuts", which is otherwise a rather confusing term. By all means re-word it (or remove mention of "Indian nuts" altogether? Is it that common a term?), but if the term "Indian nuts" is to be retained, it also needs to be explained. Wikipedia has plenty of other cases of historical terms now considered offensive that are mentioned out of need for etymological or historical context - MPF 22:34, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Red Indian

message: MPF recently merged Pine nut oil into Pine nut with the edit comment "not an important enough product for its own article". I've reverted the merge and put a  tag on the article to follow standard procedure for merging articles.
* Oppose Personally, I disagree with the merger. It's not really WP's call whether pine nut oil is "an important enough product". I'd argue for keeping it, on the following basis:
** The article length is comparable to the length of other stub articles on comparable subjects, and there's enough to say that the article could be expanded considerably, if someone is interested.
** There exist Web site devoted to the subject, at least in part, so there are sources of information to draw from.
** As with many oils and the plants that they are derived from, the audience of the two articles are sufficiently different to merit separate articles.
** Most of the oils on List of vegetable oils have their own articles, and there's no particular reason to think that Pine nut oil is less worthy of a separate article than these are.
:Waitak 01:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Comment Fair enough. I love a good challenge. :-) I've added a fair bit more in the current pine nut oil article. Waitak 08:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Oh cool! Didn't expect you to actually do it. I'll write a summary section for this article. —Keenan Pepper 18:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Pine nut oil]] 

message: I've seen the line about 31 grams of protein all over the internet but I don't see where it came from. However, the US Nutritional database says that pine nuts have only about 13g of protein per 100g of nuts. 72.13.132.211 17:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest protein of any nut?  

message: "Pine nuts are commercially available in shelled form, but due to poor storage, these rarely have a good flavour and may be already rancid at the time of purchase."
Here in the UK pine nuts are only available shelled and I've never come across a pack that are already rancid. Wouldn't it be pointless for the supermarket to sell pine nuts that they know will go rotten? Also, they taste fine to me... Monkeyspearfish (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try germinating some and see if you can get them to grow. That's the best test for freshness. I've never succeeded. - MPF (talk) 09:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I too have bought shelled pine nuts many times (at retail in the US) and have never had any problem with taste or rancidness. I softened the language in the main article to make it less pessimistic. As for germination -- have you ever tried to grow a shelled walnut or chestnut? I'd consider it highly unusual for ANY shelled nut to germinate. Keno (talk) 22:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstantiated and illogical claim?  

message: I think it is incorrect to call Piñon nuts them Pine nuts when in fact aren't, literately speaking.  Most "Pine Nuts" are harvested from pine trees, but are differentiated when Piñon nuts are being harvested.  A person can buy a bag of pine nuts but aren't Piñon nuts.  Piñon trees are somewhat different from other pine trees even though it technically is a pine tree, I'm no botanist but I do know that pine nuts are quite larger than those Piñon nuts while both comes from a pine cone.
216.138.82.198 (talk) 11:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pine nuts vs. Piñon nuts 

message: Moving this to Talk for now
In literature and legend
In an important Pueblo Indian story, a maiden eats a pine nut given to her by a divine figure and becomes pregnant. The child she bears is the Aztec conqueror Montezuma. Seems quite unlikely on the face of it. This quote has been tagged as "citation needed" since July 2008 without results. Please provide a good cite for this before restoring to the article. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pueblo Indian / Aztec story

message: I recently heard that pine nuts act as an appetite suppressant. I found a link to a creative commons-licensed article on the National Institute of Health's website:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2322999
If someone would be interested in adding this content to the article, it would be beneficial. SweetNightmares (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good finding, but I will be joining in the group waiting for someone who could expand the article with the source. :) --Caspian blue
It's only an appetite suppressant because now everything tastes like crap. :'(  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.190.150 (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appetite Suppressant? 

message: I found this statement in the article:
:Pinocchio means 'pine eye' from 'pino' ('pine') plus 'occhio' ('eye')
This is false. The word pinocchio is just a Tuscan word for pinolo and derives directly from Latin *pīnuculus (Devoto, Battisti-Alessio) and has nothing to do with eyes or similar.--Carnby (talk) 18:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinocchio 

message: The article mentions in passing that P. koraiensis is the most common species in international trade, and that P. pinea is the major species (grown) in Europe. I'm wondering to what extent P. pinea is available (in Europe particularly).  In the US, it's almost impossible to find P. pinea pine-nuts.  The grocers in the Italian neighborhood near me that specialize in imported products do not carry any P. pinea pine-nuts.  Major brands of imported Italian foods (e.g. Cento, Alessi) in the US sell Asian pine nuts even though many of their other products are imported from Italy (I'm a little puzzled by this one: http://www.delallo.com/products/pignoli-nuts, the label on the jar calls them "Spanish pignolis", but the nuts themselves look more like P. koraiensis than P. pinea).  Given that Asian pine nuts are much cheaper than European pine nuts, I'd suspect that much of what is commercially available in Europe is actually from Asian pine species.  The figures shown here (http://www.pinenut.com/value.html) suggest that Europe relies heavily on Asian sources (45% of Chinese production goes to the US, around 10% each to UK, Holland and Germany; given their smaller populations, it appears Chinese pine nuts are just as prevalent in these 3 northern European countries as the US).
Basically, in summary, I'm very skeptical that "In Europe, pine nuts come from the Stone Pine (Pinus pinea)". That may be true in Italy, Portugal, Spain and Turkey, but it sure looks to me like the rest of Europe (and the world) gets almost all of their pine nuts from Asia. And I wouldn't be surprised if the cheaper Asian pine nuts are prevalent in Italy as well. Is there a reference for the availability of P. pinea nuts in Europe? Can anybody in Europe confirm that P. pinea nuts are the most commonly available species?
192.104.39.2 (talk) 20:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinus pinea in the international market 

message: Hatnotes are for disambiguation or where for other reasons the topic might be confused with a similar name per this guideline That is not the case here - Araucaria can be mentioned in the "See also" section.  Philg88 ♦talk 05:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It was being confused: "The large edible seeds of species of the Southern Hemisphere conifer genus Araucaria ... are also often called, although improperly, pine nuts." [emphasis added]  This statement was split at the same time the hatnote was inserted. The hatnote needs to stay as per Wikipedia:Hatnote#Ambiguous term that redirects to an unambiguously named article. Fgnievinski (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that big a deal as far as I'm concerned.  Philg88 ♦talk 15:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate hatnote

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message: It is not clear in this article whether pine/pinyon nuts are safe to eat raw (or palatable raw), or must be cooked. This is an important detail when describing or defining any food stuff. --LaEremita (talk) 01:02, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raw or cooked? 

message: I think this edit is spam. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Likely spam