Talk:Pages (word processor)

message: "developed by Apple Computer"  this doesn't read well at all and I'm convinced it should be written Apple Computers.  Read it out loud, it just doesn't sound right.  
: Although it sounds awkward I believe it is correct since it is the name of the company, no need to pluralise it imo. Eidola 06:36, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Apple's official company name is Apple Computer, Inc. So it is correct. "Apple Computers" refers to the international branch of the company which is called "Apple Computers", but in this case it should be called Apple Computer, Inc.
Wackymacs 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Is this moot now since it is Apple, Inc. now, can we delete these comments? Preclaro 19:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Computers? 

message: Is this version of Pages related to the version that Steve Jobs developed at Next?
* Yes, It is since Steve Jobs is currently the CEO of Apple, and is slowly bringing the NeXT Software over to the Mac OS X platform. Wackymacs 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NeXT version? 

message: Can Pages import and export OpenDocument Text files? --Hhielscher 16:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OpenDocument support? 

message: In the list of Word features that Pages lacks was the point: "Intelligent caps formatting (upper case of first letter in the sentences)." It has been removed twice with little explanation.
Actually, I think few people care, but here are the details. Where Pages menu item says: Format > Font > Capitalization there are three options: "None", "All Caps", "Small Caps".
Word gives a full window called "Change Case" with the options "lowercase" (not in Pages), "UPPERCASE" (Pages' "All Caps"), "Title Case" (not in Pages), "tOGGLE cASE" (not in Pages) and "Sentence case". The last one you only get in Pages if you have Auto-correction on, as far as I can tell. So it cannot be applied to already entered text or text pasted from other applications. Auto-correction of initial in sentences exists in Word as well as a separate function.
Pages' option for "Small Caps" exists in the Font window in MS Word.
Please, correct me if I am wrong in any of the points above. Mlewan 20:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligent caps 

message: The list of differences between Word and Pages is not just a list of examples. It is a fairly exhaustive list of the major differences. The question Word vs. Pages is one of the more common ones in Apple's forum, and this list is the one usually pointed to when the question arises. It is in other words perhaps the most useful part of this Wikipedia article.
Unless anyone objects, I will remove the tag in a few days. Mlewan 19:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I object. This is an encyclopedia, not a median for comparisons. At minimum it needs to be combed through to make sure it's all relevant and possibly organised in a table. Wikipedia:Lists Nja247 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been combed through several times. All the items are relevant. All the items are things people have asked about - directly or indirectly. I agree that a table format would look nicer, but the drawback with a table is that it is more difficult to edit. It would exclude Pages enthusiasts who do not know how to edit Wikipedia tables. Mlewan 03:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many examples? 

message: I do not deny that the article could be improved, but please, specify where references are needed, when a tag is added. Remember that references are needed only when there is reason to doubt the content. Mlewan 19:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of references 

message: As it stands, I have not double-checked information in this table. I was mostly basing it on the existing article and just left out the items that seemed were more likely incorrect. Althepal (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The comparison table is only intended to show the differences. And I'd think it would be actually easier to maintain than a list. Even if not, it'd probably help the reader find information faster, which is really the whole point. Althepal (talk) 06:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That may indeed be true. I do not want to discourage you, if you want to try doing it, and it does indeed look nicer. Even if I am not convinced it is an improvement, it may turn out to be so in the end. Mlewan (talk) 12:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. It's just kind of easier for me to have everything organized, but that's just me. Also a paragraph-style comparison (the writing style, not the program feature) might be another option to consider. You know, instead of a list or a table, it could actually be more of a discussion of the differences (sourced, of course). Like it could say (and don't use this as a first draft, it's just an example), "Pages is often compared to its prime competition, Office for Mac. Though the programs share many standard features, as well as more advanced ones such as 3D graphics and template documents, there are a number of differences. For example, Word has Autosave and Pages doesn't. Yet Word has been known to be unstable, use lots of memory, and crash, making this autosave feature more important.[cite] Pages can also take advantages of Mac OS X services yet Word can't. etc." What do you think of the general idea? Althepal (talk) 19:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm against a non structured comparison. People can browse a list or a table, but it takes much more time to browse prose. When it comes to comparison, people usually want to browse in my experience. Mlewan (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Draft table comparison chart, please edit and expand based on actual sources or programs (not just previous state of article)

message: Is Pages really a word processor?  I would have likened it more to a basic DTP package like Pagemaker.  I'm not sure all the stuff in the article comparing it to MS Word is very meaningful. 195.172.215.82 (talk) 09:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is "useful" as it is information people often ask for at Apple's forums and presumably elsewhere too. Whether it is a "real" word processor or not is of course open for discussion. The border is sometimes blurry. Mlewan (talk) 11:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As it stands on iWork '08, Pages is both a (basic) WP and a (basic) DTP, as shown by the two modes it can works in, selectable via the new template dialog, which sorts templates in two categories "Word Processing" and "Page Layout". Then, the mode is shown in the title bar alongside the document name. Lloeki (talk) 11:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word Processor 

message: I'm seeing this statement on the current page:
"Among Microsoft Office applications, it competes with both Microsoft Word and Microsoft Publisher, and does not have compatibility with ether."
However, I just watched Apple's video on this subject, and they say that Pages can read and write MS Word files. They don't go into details about which features are preserved, however. (For example, both programs have multi-author-identified revision tracking, and an integrated outliner, but are they interoperable between the two programs?)
Anyway, it's possible that the blanket claim that they don't have compatibility with each other is outdated.
: The statement is not outdated, but neither is it fully correct. There has always been some kind of compatibility with MS Word, but always was unreliable. When the text says that Pages "competes" with MS Publisher, that to me hints that there are people who are choosing one over the other, or even that people choose Mac or PC based on the abilities of Pages vs MS Publisher. I doubt that is true.
: I have mostly given up editing Wikipedia for different reasons, but if someone else wants to change the text, feel free. --Mlewan (talk) 18:28, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  MS Word Compatibility 

message: The phrase "... if a user wants to send one letter to three different people, mail merge allows them to create a single document with ..." is incorrect; there is a conflict between the singular "user" and the plural "them". Possible edits include:
"...  if users want to send one letter to three different people, mail merge allows them to create a single document with ..."
"...  if a user wants to send one letter to three different people, mail merge allows him to create a single document with ..."
"...  if a user wants to send one letter to three different people, mail merge allows her to create a single document with ..."
I lean toward the second option; it reads better. But I'll leave it to the group mind to decide.
Mhagerman (talk) 18:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: This article was moved from Pages to Pages (iWork) following discussion at Talk:Numbers (software)#Moving Numbers (software).  Pages now redirects to a WP:DAB at Page. Certes (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move notice 

message: Would someone please add a note to the Version History, indicating the last version that supported the PowerPC architecture?  Thanks. Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardware 

message: I have a serious problem with this paragraph from the article:
"In recent changes to many Apple software applications such as in iPhoto to Photos, there has been a focus on stripping productive features. The features removed however end up as apps on the App Store where users have to buy apps to add features. Some Mac users have viewed this as Apple's idea of monitizing its once free and popular softwares by offering skeleton versions that can only be made productive again by buying apps."
This doesn't cite any sources and I am not aware of any such circumstance. Is there any example of this happening at all?
Photos has more features than iPhotos, but they tend to be more hidden. Where features have been removed, there is usually a workaround to provide similar functionality.
Tell me where I can 'buy' AppleScript support for Pages in the App Store...
Leeeoooooo (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken it out because (a) monitizing and softwares aren't words (b) it's not about Pages (c) it's unsourced. It probably has a germ of truth in it, but it needs to be sourced and moved to an article about DLC or something similar. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Buy Features"? 

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message: ===Infoboxes===
*To achieve consistency within the article, I recommend including the same information in both infoboxes (the “Pages for macOS” infobox does not include information about a stable release, and the “Pages for iOS” infobox does not state what version number is displayed in the above image).
===History===
*In the first sentence of this section, it should say what operating system the fourth version was for. The second sentence should also indicate what operating system the new version was for.
*In the first paragraph, the following clause may need to be revised for clarity. Below is a possible revision (Note that the reference for this particular text should be consulted before accepting the possible revision).
:Original: “…bringing universal binaries, allowing the app to be run on iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch devices.”
:Possible revision (but only if accurate): “…  universal binaries   the app to be run on iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch devices.”
*Near the end of the first paragraph, change “Word and Pages for Mac” to read “Microsoft Word and Pages for OS X”?
*The last paragraph may need to have some clarifying text added. Does Pages 5.0 work on both regular computers as well as iOS devices? 
===Features===
*In the first paragraph, the following text may need to be revised:
:“including a basic, report, letter, resume, envelope,…”
:It is unclear what “basic” is referring to.
*At the very end of the third paragraph, change the word “canvas” to “page”? (for clarity)
*The end of the fourth paragraph should be revised for clarity. Below is a possible revision (Note that the reference for this particular text should be consulted before accepting the possible revision):
:Original: “The mail merge feature was completely removed in version 5. Tables and charts pasted from Numbers are automatically updated if the original spreadsheet is changed.” 
:Possible revision (but only if accurate): “The mail merge feature was completely removed in version 5, but tables and charts pasted from Numbers were still automatically updated if the original spreadsheet was changed.”
===Compatibility===
*In the fourth paragraph, I recommend adding text that details what LibreOffice is capable of doing with Pages files.
*The last half of the fifth paragraph should be revised for clarity. Below is a possible revision (please read it carefully to ensure that everything is accurate, and note that the reference for this particular text should be consulted before accepting the possible revision):
:Original: “While there is no program that can view or edit a .pages file using Windows or Linux, some content can be retrieved from a document created in Pages '09, because a .pages file is actually a bundle. A user can open a .pages file in an unpackaging program, or by renaming files as .zip files in Windows (XP and onwards), and will find either a .jpg or .pdf preview in its entirety for viewing and printing, though only possible if the creator of the .pages files elected to include a preview. The user will also find a .xml file with unformatted text. This process can also be used for users of the 2008 version of Pages to open documents saved in the 2009 version of Pages, which are not backward compatible.”
:Possible revision (but only if accurate): “While there is no program that can view or edit a .pages file using Windows or Linux, some content can be retrieved from a document created in Pages '09, because a .pages file is actually a bundle. A user can open a .pages file in an unpackaging program, or by renaming files as .zip files in Windows (XP and onwards). The user will be able to find either a .jpg or .pdf preview in its entirety for viewing and printing, though this is only possible if the creator of the .pages file elected to include a preview. The user will also be able to find an .xml file with unformatted text. This process can also be used by users of the 2008 version of Pages to open documents saved in the 2009 version of Pages, which are not backward compatible.”
===macOS version history===
*The entry for version 2.0 may need to be revised.
:“Released as part of iWork '06. Includes new templates, table calculations, photo masking with shapes and freestyle bezier curves.”
:Should a comma appear after “shapes”? (…photo masking with shapes, and freestyle bezier curves.”)
*The entry for version 3.0 should be revised. Below is a possible revision:
:Original: “Pages 3.0 was released as part of iWork '08. It introduces compatibility with Office Open XML (Microsoft Office 2007) files. Introduced Change Tracking. Transparency tool for pictures. Pages 3.0 needs only a third (260 MB) of the hard disk space required for Pages 2.0 (760 MB) despite the added functionality.”
:Possible revision (but only if accurate): “Pages 3.0 was released as part of iWork '08. It introduces compatibility with Office Open XML (Microsoft Office 2007) files. It introduces Track Changes and the Transparency tool for pictures. Pages 3.0 needs only a third (260 MB) of the hard disk space required for Pages 2.0 (760 MB) despite the added functionality.”
*In the entry for version 3.0.1, should it read “track changes”?
*In the entry for version 4.1, is “Versions” okay? Is this a feature in Pages?
*In the entry for version 5.1, should it read “The return of the vertical ruler and a few other features.”?
===References===
*Many of the entries in the reference list are missing important information. Each entry should include an author, a date, and a retrieved date if it is from a website. The dates should also all be written in month/day/year form for consistency with the article.
===Miscellaneous query===
*There is a section that talks about the macOS version history, but no section that talks about the iOS version history. Should one be added?
===Sign off===
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