Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Animation/Thomas & Friends task force/Archive 1

message: Below is the list of characters and their allocations (in rough order of appearance):
Character                                                   	TV Series	Railway Series
RAILWAY ENGINES                                             	         	
Thomas *                                                    	         	link
Edward *                                                    	         	link
Henry *                                                     	         	link
Gordon *                                                    	         	link
James *                                                     	         	link
Percy *                                                     	         	link
Toby *                                                      	         	link
Duck/Montague *                                             	         	link
Diesel                                                      	         	link
Donald and Douglas *                                        	         	link
Daisy                                                       	         	link
Bill                                                        	         	link
Ben                                                         	         	link
Boco                                                        	         	link
Mavis                                                       	         	link
Oliver                                                      	         	link
'Arry                                                       	         	XXXXX
Bert                                                        	         	XXXXX
Salty                                                       	         	XXXXX
Harvey                                                      	         	XXXXX
Emily *                                                     	         	XXXXX
Fergus                                                      	         	XXXXX
Murdoch                                                     	         	XXXXX
Arthur                                                      	         	XXXXX
Molly                                                       	         	XXXXX
Neville                                                     	         	XXXXX
Dennis                                                      	         	XXXXX
Rosie                                                       	         	XXXXX
'"VISITING" ENGINES                                       	         	
Stepney                                                     	         	link
Spencer                                                     	         	XXXXX
The Foreign Engine/Big City Engine                          	         	link
'SKARLOEY ENGINES – FROM TV SERIES PERSPECTIVE<BR>
(For Railway Series perspective, use Major Characters (The Railway Series)#Skarloey Engines)	'SKARLOEY ENGINES – FROM TV SERIES PERSPECTIVE<BR>
(For Railway Series perspective, use Major Characters (The Railway Series)#Skarloey Engines)	'SKARLOEY ENGINES – FROM TV SERIES PERSPECTIVE<BR>
(For Railway Series perspective, use Major Characters (The Railway Series)#Skarloey Engines)
Duke                                                        	         	link
Peter Sam/Stuart *                                          	         	link
Sir Handel/Falcon *                                         	         	link
Skarloey *                                                  	         	link
Rheneas *                                                   	         	link
Rusty ****                                                  	         	link
Duncan ****                                                 	         	link
Ivo Hugh                                                    	XXXXX    	link
Fred                                                        	         	link
Bertram                                                     	         	XXXXX
Mighty Mac                                                  	         	XXXXX
Fearless Freddie                                            	         	XXXXX
NON-RAIL CHARACTERS                                         	         	
Terence *                                                   	         	link
Trevor *                                                    	         	link
Harold *                                                    	         	link
Bertie *                                                    	         	link
Cranky                                                      	         	XXXXX
Elizabeth                                                   	         	XXXXX
Jeremy                                                      	         	XXXXX
THE PACK                                                    	         	
Jack                                                        	         	XXXXX
Alfie                                                       	         	XXXXX
Max                                                         	         	XXXXX
Ned                                                         	         	XXXXX
Kelly                                                       	         	XXXXX
Oliver (pack)                                               	         	XXXXX
Isabella                                                    	         	XXXXX
Byron                                                       	         	XXXXX
Monty                                                       	         	XXXXX
Patrick                                                     	         	XXXXX
Buster                                                      	         	XXXXX
Nelson                                                      	         	XXXXX
ROLLING STOCK                                               	         	
Annie and Clarabel *                                        	         	link
Henrietta                                                   	         	link
"Spiteful" Break Van                                        	         	
Toad                                                        	         	
Scruffey                                                    	         	
Old Slow Coach                                              	         	XXXXX
Rocky                                                       	         	XXXXX
MINOR CHARACTERS (TV Series)                                	         	
ENGINES                                                     	         	
City of Truro                                               	Link     	Link
Flying Scotsman                                             	         	
Smudger                                                     	         	
The Diesel/D261                                             	         	
Bertram                                                     	         	XXXXX
Derek                                                       	         	XXXXX
Proteus                                                     	         	XXXXX
NON RAIL                                                    	         	
Bulgy                                                       	         	
George                                                      	         	
Caroline                                                    	         	
Bulstrode                                                   	         	
Horrid Lorries                                              	         	XXXXX
Butch                                                       	         	XXXXX
Tiger Moth                                                  	         	XXXXX
Thumper                                                     	         	XXXXX
MINOR CHARACTERS (Railway Series)                           	         	
MISCELLANEOUS                                               	         	
199 Diesel/Spamcan/D199                                     	         	link
Bear/D7101                                                  	XXXXX    	Link
Old Stuck-Up                                                	         	Link
Pip                                                         	XXXXX    	Link
Emma                                                        	XXXXX    	Link
Wilbert                                                     	XXXXX    	Link
Sixteen                                                     	XXXXX    	link
LITTLE WESTERN COACHES                                      	         	
Alice                                                       	XXXXX    	
Mirabel                                                     	XXXXX    	
Dulcie                                                      	XXXXX    	
Isabel                                                      	XXXXX    	
THE SKARLOEY COACHES                                        	         	
Ada                                                         	XXXXX    	link
Jane                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Mabel                                                       	XXXXX    	link
Agnes                                                       	XXXXX    	link
Beatrice                                                    	XXXXX    	link
Jemima                                                      	XXXXX    	link
Ruth                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Lucy                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Cora                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Gertrude                                                    	XXXXX    	link
Millicent                                                   	XXXXX    	link
MOUNTAIN RAILWAY                                            	         	
Godred                                                      	XXXXX    	link
Culdee                                                      	XXXXX    	link
Lord Harry/No.6/Patrick                                     	XXXXX    	link
Shane Dooiney                                               	XXXXX    	link
Wilfred                                                     	XXXXX    	link
Ernest                                                      	XXXXX    	link
Alaric                                                      	XXXXX    	link
Eric                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Catherine                                                   	XXXXX    	link
SMALL RAILWAY                                               	         	
Jock                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Mike                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Bert                                                        	XXXXX    	link
Rex                                                         	XXXXX    	link
Frank                                                       	XXXXX    	link
REAL ENGINES – REMEMBER TO LINK TO REAL ENGINE’S PAGE       	         	
Talyllyn                                                    	XXXXX    	
Dolgoch                                                     	XXXXX    	
Bluebell                                                    	XXXXX    	
Primrose                                                    	XXXXX    	
Boxhill                                                     	XXXXX    	
Adams                                                       	XXXXX    	
Cromford                                                    	XXXXX    	
Captain Baxter                                              	XXXXX    	
Iron Duke                                                   	XXXXX    	
Green Arrow                                                 	XXXXX    	
Duchess of Hamilton                                         	XXXXX    	
Mallard                                                     	XXXXX    	
MOVIE CHARACTERS – Refer to on Thomas and the Magic Railroad	         	
Lady                                                        	//       	//
Dodge                                                       	//       	//
Splatter                                                    	//       	//
Diesel 10                                                   	//       	//
UNFEATURED CHARACTERS                                       	         	
87546                                                       	XXXXX    	Link
98462                                                       	XXXXX    	Link
D31120                                                      	XXXXX    	Link
D10751                                                      	XXXXX    	Link
Jinty                                                       	XXXXX    	Link
Pug                                                         	XXXXX    	Link
Barry                                                       	XXXXX    	Link
Blister I                                                   	XXXXX    	Link
Blister II                                                  	XXXXX    	Link
Sigrid of Arlesdale                                         	XXXXX    	Link
Neil                                                        	XXXXX    	Link
Jim                                                         	XXXXX    	
Tim                                                         	XXXXX    	
Jerry                                                       	XXXXX    	
Albert                                                      	XXXXX    	
Fred Pelhay                                                 	XXXXX    	
Fred                                                        	XXXXX    	
Mark V                                                      	XXXXX    	Link
Elsie                                                       	XXXXX    	Link
Truck                                                       	XXXXX    	
Victoria                                                    	XXXXX    	
MAGAZINE CHARACTERS – Place in "Thomas Magazines" page once located''
:*Algy
:*Victor
:*Sidney
:*Angus
:*Little Barford
:*No.13
:*Rickety''
* Engine will keep their own Wikipedia page.
** Engine *may* keep own page
<nowiki?****</nowiki> Engine may keep own page for TV Series, not kept for Railway Series''
All other characters will be placed in one of the above pages and their own Wikipedia page redirected to the relevant list.
Thanks to Thomasfan for the list of characters. Great work.
If anyone has any problems with the above classifications, discuss them here.
Best regards, Thehalford 03:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Characters

message: Having finally created the Major Characters (The Railway Series) page out of sheer frustration, it is now possible to do a full tidy-up for a character.  I have done this for Devious Diesel as an example.
*First, I updated the Railway Series and TV Series grouped articles for the character, providing clear cross-linking between the two.  (TV Series entry concentrates on characteristics, book entry includes prototype (real loco) information)
*Second, I cross-linked the Railway Series character with the real locomotive. (In this case there are also links to the TV Series characters, but that would not normally be the case).
*Thirdly, working on the individual character page itself, start removing the links: begin by redirecting the link from :Template:Thomas, which will get rid of most links.
*Fourthly, work on each remaining link to the character page (except user/talk pages) to replace link with direct link to either TV or book character.
*Finally, re-instate the re-direct - usually to the book character entry.
The reason for working this way is that the TV Series character is based on the book character which is based on the real life engine.  Hence the TV Series character need not refer to the real engine at all.
NB - In due course we could do with pictures of the book characters, the article illustrations would make more sense then!
And now I need a holiday - see you all in two weeks! EdJogg 13:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page rationalisation - How to

message: What is the purpose of the Unfeatured Characters page?
At present this page has a mix of non-speaking minor characters that have appeared (such as 31120) and/or been named (such as Neil), and other characters which have never even appeared in the books (such as Elsie).  Surely this page should be for just the latter (non-appearing) characters, with the appearing characters being moved to Minor Characters ?
EdJogg 13:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My reccomendation for this is to follow what is above, and then if the need arises to change the characters around (or even merge articles), it will be a much simpler proposition. Gonzerelli 15:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, makes sense. In the meantime I have re-written the introductory paragraphs of Unfeatured Characters to better reflect the scope of the characters covered, which should avoid the need to move them round later. EdJogg 10:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Unfeatured Characters (The Railway Series)|Unfeatured]] vs [[Minor Characters (The Railway Series)|Minor Characters ]]?

message: I've proposed a change to  that would incorporate links to the various subprojects of WikiProject Trains.  Your input on the template talk page would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Slambo (Speak) 18:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes to {{tl|TrainsWikiProject}} for subprojects 

message: Since the popular PBS television series Shining Time Station contains many of the same characters and locations as the other Thomas series, shouldn't it be included in this wikiproject, even if it isn't the primary focus?  --Tim4christ17 22:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: STS basically is TTTE catering to the US market, so yes, it definitely is a part of the project. The tags just haven't been added to that oage yet. ;) Thehalford 03:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, STS was only created as a tool to deliver the episodes of Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends. So the priority should be on TTTE&F, but Shining Time Station definitely falls into the scope of this WikiProject. Gonzerelli 14:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Shining Time Station]]'' 

message: Recently, an unregistered user decided to vandalise the page Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends, insulting the Sodor Island Forums (SIF) and its members, asserting that "[SIF] think they own this place".
While it is true that WikiProject Thomas originated at SIF, and core members of WikiProject Thomas are indeed regular members of SIF, by no means do we feel as though we have specific ownership of any page on Wikipedia. We very willingly welcome anyone who wishes to contribute constructively to any pages which fall under WikiProject Thomas' scope.
Having said that, however, superfluous edits, false edits, and edits which do not make a whole lot of sense, which have been made by unregistered users, will be reverted on sight. This is not asserting any kind of ownership on an article, this is maintaining an article's quality. There is a clear difference.
If you have any concerns, feel free to raise them on an article's talk page, or at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Thomas.
Gonzerelli 12:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official statement from [[WP:THOMAS|WikiProject Thomas]] re. some vandalism 

message: Hi,
We have conflicting information about Pip & Emma...
*North Western Railway (fictional)#Recent Developments says that The Fat Controller was considering purchasing Pip & Emma (one locomotive) to run an express to London {source: Sodor Reading between the lines).
*Minor Characters (The Railway Series)#Pip & Emma say that they have appeared in two books 'Gordon the High-Speed Engine' and 'Thomas and the Fat Controller's Engines'.
Does this mean that the engines were shown before, but were not owned by the Fat Controller (i.e. they worked on The Other Railway)?
Mdcollins1984 14:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pip & Emma 

message: Sorry to be the pickled onion in the fruit salad here, but I'm really not sure that the way the character articles are organised is very novice-friendly. Indeed, it seems to me that there's a tendency to edit purely for the sake of it. As an example, the Mid Sodor Railway article as originally created listed the engines with a brief biography. Now, if I want to find information on the engines, I have to click on a link to another article. If I want to find out about Duke, I have to click on another link within that. As another, the Arlesdale Railway article now links to the Minor Characters article - all very well, but it doesn't cover Sigrid of Arlesdale, Blister I or Blister II.
:True, but if you wanted to find out about the characters in the Railway Series, you would then have to go through about six 'railway' pages to find all (well some) of the characters involved. What if there are some that aren't covered under articles such as Mid Sodor, or Arlesdale? This way also stops random articles appearing everywhere, and duplication of characters across more than one page with differing text. Mdcollins1984 10:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigrid of Arlesdale, Blister I and Blister II are covered under Unfeatured Characters (perhaps more linking is required to this page) Mdcollins1984 10:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character re-rationalisation?

message: While sorting out redirects for BoCo I bumped into the List of fictional vehicles.  Recently, someone has added a raft of 'Thomas' characters to this list, using the original (long) re-direct names.
My question: should we expand this list to cover 'all' the characters, named individually, or revise it so that it just points to the various grouped character pages (my preference - lower maintenance and less work at the outset!)
EdJogg 08:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Put our own "list" pages there. ie. Railway Engines, Non-rail vehicles, etc. Don't bother with the "individual page" characters - they're already in the list pages. Gonzerelli 12:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It's on my ToDo list... :o) -- EdJogg 12:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Done! -- EdJogg 16:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of fictional vehicles]] - how to handle?