Talk:Charles the Bold

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*Biographie universelle ancienne et moderne: Histoire par ordre alphabétique de la vie publique et privée de tous les hommes, vol V 56-562.
*Boehm, L., 'Burgundy and the Empire in the Reign of Charles the Bold', The International History Review (1979)
*Brown, A.,'Bruges and the Burgundian ‘Theatre-state’: Charles the Bold and Our Lady of the Snow', History (1999)
*Evans, J., 'The Garter of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy', The Antiquaries Journal (1952)
*Mantel, G., The Encyclopedia of Diplomacy: Charles the Bold (1433-77)
*Smith, J., 'Portable Propaganda—Tapestries as Princely Metaphors at the Courts of Philip the Good and Charles the Bold', Art Journal (1989).
*Walsh, R., Charles the Bold and Italy  1467-1477: Politics and Personnel
*Weightmann, Margaret of York, Duchess of Burgundy, 1446-1503
Mine Puttnam and Vaughan to a far greater degreee than they are used already. Lose the old PD sources, and while biographies of Charles' contemporary rulers might be useful for gleaning material—particularly international relations—Charles Ross's or Michael Hicks's Edward IV would be more useful than JA-H. By that token, also look at James Cleugh's 1970 Chant Royal: The Life of King Louis XI, and find something about Fred III. , have you done something on either his tomb or book of hours? And , was it Max Ernst who did a curious thing with Jean Hatchett and Charles the Bold? If so, we can add that to 'Cultural depictions' section and get rid of some of those books.  SN54129 15:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have Vaughan at hand but it's probably available at archives.org. Victoria (tk) 15:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I have Bart van Loo, The Bugundians: A Vanished Empire, 2021, Head of Zeus,  (a lucky charity shop buy) with 65 pages on Charles' reign. He's not an academic historian though. Sorry "Max Ernst who did a curious thing with Jean Hatchett and Charles the Bold" rings no bell with me (or Google) - ok this. It is Jeanne Hachette, not "Jean". Johnbod (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That produced the moronicwiki gem "She is currently known for an act of heroism on 27 June 1472, when she prevented the capture of Beauvais by the troops of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy." Johnbod (talk) 01:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks both! , I've never heard of 'moronicwiki' before (but then, IIRC, you were also the one who introduced me to 'cite banditry' too!), but thanks for listing that source here. I'm going to dig out a few in French too, there must be plenty. Yes, that collage was the Ernst piece I was thinking of, although on a re-read, I see that my original comment () has a certain innuendo to it, fnarr fnarr! Thanks again,  SN54129 14:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources and stuff 

message: *Biographie universelle ancienne et moderne: Histoire par ordre alphabétique de la vie publique et privée de tous les hommes, vol V 56-562.
*Boehm, L., 'Burgundy and the Empire in the Reign of Charles the Bold', The International History Review (1979)
*Brown, A.,'Bruges and the Burgundian ‘Theatre-state’: Charles the Bold and Our Lady of the Snow', History (1999)
*Evans, J., 'The Garter of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy', The Antiquaries Journal (1952)
*Mantel, G., The Encyclopedia of Diplomacy: Charles the Bold (1433-77)
*Smith, J., 'Portable Propaganda—Tapestries as Princely Metaphors at the Courts of Philip the Good and Charles the Bold', Art Journal (1989).
*Walsh, R., Charles the Bold and Italy  1467-1477: Politics and Personnel
*Weightmann, Margaret of York, Duchess of Burgundy, 1446-1503
Mine Puttnam and Vaughan to a far greater degreee than they are used already. Lose the old PD sources, and while biographies of Charles' contemporary rulers might be useful for gleaning material—particularly international relations—Charles Ross's or Michael Hicks's Edward IV would be more useful than JA-H. By that token, also look at James Cleugh's 1970 Chant Royal: The Life of King Louis XI, and find something about Fred III. , have you done something on either his tomb or book of hours? And , was it Max Ernst who did a curious thing with Jean Hatchett and Charles the Bold? If so, we can add that to 'Cultural depictions' section and get rid of some of those books.  SN54129 15:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have Vaughan at hand but it's probably available at archives.org. Victoria (tk) 15:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I have Bart van Loo, The Bugundians: A Vanished Empire, 2021, Head of Zeus,  (a lucky charity shop buy) with 65 pages on Charles' reign. He's not an academic historian though. Sorry "Max Ernst who did a curious thing with Jean Hatchett and Charles the Bold" rings no bell with me (or Google) - ok this. It is Jeanne Hachette, not "Jean". Johnbod (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That produced the moronicwiki gem "She is currently known for an act of heroism on 27 June 1472, when she prevented the capture of Beauvais by the troops of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy." Johnbod (talk) 01:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks both! , I've never heard of 'moronicwiki' before (but then, IIRC, you were also the one who introduced me to 'cite banditry' too!), but thanks for listing that source here. I'm going to dig out a few in French too, there must be plenty. Yes, that collage was the Ernst piece I was thinking of, although on a re-read, I see that my original comment () has a certain innuendo to it, fnarr fnarr! Thanks again,  SN54129 14:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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