Talk:List of Classical Greek phrases

message: I have a phrase that might be added to this list...in Herodotus (6.129) there is the story of Hippocleides, and the phrase "Hippocleides doesn't care." He says that it became a common phrase throughout Greece, and people still use it (T.E. Lawrence, for one, and everyone else I know who has read the story :) Is that appropriate for this list? If so, what is it in Greek? I have found one Internet reference to "Hippokleides ou phrontis," but I have no idea.  I also don't really know how to transliterate it...would it be 'Ιπποκλειδες ου φροντις, assuming that is actually the translation? Adam Bishop 22:46, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: οὐ φροντὶς - it has been listed below. I raised a point on the translation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clouds_Hill#%CE%BF%E1%BD%90_%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%E1%BD%B6%CF%82   Shtove 15:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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message: This list would be much more useful if the sources of the phrases were included. rossb 22:56, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: It is generally but erroneously believed that "owls" referred to living owls. Yet unlike eagles, owls cannot be trained, and carried away.
Owl was the common name of the Athenian drachma. Alternatively Corinth had pegasus (stater).
I just realized that I spoiled "coals to Newcastle" which should be i.e. "pounds to London" or "dollars to Washington"
See also "reverse" of coin in Greek drachma--Odysses 19:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: The phrase  is attributed to Socrates but it is not found as such in the Apology. Here is what is written there: 
  Andreas 19:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes mottos of philosophers include concealed meanings. I have also heard of the short version  (I know the One), which has an opposite meaning, i.e. that Socrates had actually recognized divinity or God.--Odysses 14:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socrates 

message: Wikiquote has a page for quotes by Archimedes (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Archimedes), and the Greek they use for his quote (Give me a fulcrum and a place to stand, and I will move the world) is different from the Greek here.  Which is correct, or are they both correct?  141.149.207.158 16:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "fulcrum" (υπομόχλιον) in the Greek text. Πα στώ, literaly means "where to stand", or "a place to stand"--Odysses  (☜) 18:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: All the best to the contributors of this highly entertaining list. May it thrive. Politis 11:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 04:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: Moving this material to Wikiquote creates a language problem: if moved to Greek Wikiquote, the English explanations will be lost. The English Wikiquote contains quotes in English, however there is a page :q:Greek proverbs containing mainly Modern Greek material.  Andreas  (T) 17:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: Please give a modern version of all ancient greek phrase  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeldadmum (talk • contribs) 08:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient or modern Greek? 

message: ;Ὕες βορβόρῳ ἥδονται μᾶλλον ἢ καθαρῷ ὕδατι.
;Ὕστερον πρότερον.
Doesn't this translate to "after the fact" in English?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.228.203.94 (talk) 03:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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message: I need to know how these words fit into a phrase. The words are....IT OM LTI MUL MU TA; MO NE NIA NOV  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.41.6 (talk) 12:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Challenge 

message: Why the hell is a English Wiki page written and organized along greek lines? I, the average man and reader, am looking for a phrase and greek, very bloody likely I don't speak it well enough to read the alphabet and know what the n letter even looks like. Alright, I personally do, but still, the average person can't tell w from lower case omega, what good is this article's structure to him?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.16.133 (talk) 05:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: The transliteration scheme used in Romanizing the Greek in this article is horrendously inconsistent. The Romanization of perispomene ranges from the circumflex to the macron to nothing, hypopegrammene is sometimes an "i" and sometimes nothing, umicron is sometimes "u" and sometimes "y", "ου" is given as "ū" once (that might be a Modern quote, though, which is a separate issue in itself), etc. Somebody should go through and make it all consistent sometime. 64.179.155.63 (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanization 

message: Veni, vidi, vici - Greek Quote? Julius Caesar was a Roman General. is not it?  --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 12:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veni, vidi, vici - Greek Quote 

message: The IP user 194.157.127.66 made three changes. These are changes he/she apparently made before, but I modified back. Two are translations of a phrase, one an explanation:
#διπλοῦν ὁρῶσιν οἱ μαθόντες γράμματα.
#:"The sight of those who can read is worth twice as much (as of those who cannot)."
#ἅπαξ λεγόμενον
#:An order that has to be carried out immediatelly, without having to repeat it (without question). -or- Something that once it is said changes things irreversibly.
#μὴ μοῦ τοὺς κύκλους τάραττε
#:"Do not disturb my thoughts."
I don't consider these valuable changes. The first, a translation, is not an accurate literal translation of the Greek. It is what the phrase is idiomatically used to mean, but the translation should be literal and the idiomatic meaning explained below it. The second, an explanation, is not what the phrase is actually used to mean, at least according to the OED and the first sites coming up in a Google search. A source is needed. The third, a translation, is not accurate: κύκλος does not mean "thought".
I am therefore going to either revert or modify these changes. If there are disagreements, explain them here. — Eru·tuon 01:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes by 194.157.127.66 

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message: Maybe a modern "poem" by Nikolaos Hatzidakis should be added under this phrase. The poem is as follows:
Αεί ο Θεός ο μέγας γεωμετρεί,
το κύκλου μήκος ίνα ορίση διαμέτρω,
παρήγαγεν αριθμόν απέραντον,
καί όν, φεύ, ουδέποτε όλον θνητοί θα εύρωσι.
This is based on the saying by Plato and serves as a mnemonic for π, in the same way that it is described in the article already, although from this version the digits of π that are derived are increased to 23. 
3,1415926535897932384626
It roughly translates to:
Always the great God geometrizes,
in order to define the length of the circle through (it's) diameter,
produced (an) infinite number,
and, what a shame, never will the mortals find it whole.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.68.208.174 (talk) 22:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Αεί ο Θεός γεωμετρεί 

message: Why not mention the source of phrases that come from other langs rather than take them out? And if this a list of "Classical" Greek phrases why is the title of the page not that? — Lfdder (talk) 22:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a page in the English Wikipedia. The only reason to include items in a list of "Greek phrases" in the context of the English Wikipedia is if these phrases are notable as Greek, in English. Things like morituri te salutant are Latin phrases and only ever cited as Latin phrases in an English context. They may have a conventional rendering in Greek, but that rendering is only used by speakers of Modern Greek, in the context of Modern Greek. They might be interesting for a Greek dictionary, but not for an encyclopedic coverage of notable Greek phrases. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough. — Lfdder (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent deletions 

message: vol 1, vol 2 might come in handy to future editors... ;-) P.S.I've just used it for the first time here...  Thanatos|talk|contributions 13:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corpus Paroemiographorum Graecorum 

message: οἶνοψ πόντος
    Oînops póntos
    "Wine dark sea"
Hesychius has οινόπη αμπέλλου μελαίνης είδος, so from a dark type of vine. However, strictly speaking oinops as an epithet of Pontos simply means: Sea as wine. One lay explanation I recently read, was that it may be an allusion to the effect a rough sea has on the mind, rather than a reference to its colour. 
    ἀνδρῶν γὰρ ἐπιφανῶν πᾶσα γῆ τάφος
    Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos.
Alternatively, possibly closer to the meaning of the original: For illustrious men every place on earth may be their grave.
and
    εἷς οἰωνὸς ἄριστος, ἀμύνεσθαι περὶ πάτρης
    Heîs oiōnòs áristos, amýnesthai perì pátrēs
Perhaps slightly more accurately, There is no better omen than the defense of one's fatherland. Skamnelis (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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