Talk:Fly-in

message: User:Psb777 changed the definition of fly-in from:
"By definition fly-ins do not include air displays or competitive flying, but are are sometimes combined with other events, such as an air show or car show, where the fly-in aircraft crews will arrive to watch the other event."
to:
"Fly-ins are are sometimes combined with other events, such as an air show or car show, where the fly-in aircraft crews will arrive to watch the other event"
saying in his edit summary: "if that is true then many of the fly-ins given as examples in this article cannot be called fly-ins as they include what they cannot "by definition"". 
I have reverted the deletion of the definition back to the original. The problem is that the new sentence proposed conflicts with the cited ref, which very clearly excludes air displays and competitions. In my research I have found that most national authorities do not define "fly-in" which is why I have used the Canadian definition, as they actually have one. In most countries by national rules a competition or airshow requires some sort of regulatory oversight or operating certificate, whereas in general fly-ins do not, making the definition cited generally the case in most countries. I would suggest that the solution to this dilemma is that if fly-ins are defined differently in different countries then the article has to say that. - Ahunt (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Having read through the list of fly-ins there (and attended quite a number of them) I don't see that these fly-ins conflict with the Canadian definition. Take AirVenture or Sun 'n Fun for instance - these are fly-ins where the flying-in crews watch airshows, but the casual fly-in aircraft are not part of the airshow itself, they are there as paying attendees watching. This is entirely the same as in Canada at events like the Canadian Aviation Expo, where aircraft fly-in the crews pay to be there and watch the airshow (when they had an airshow at least) and then leave. Where is the supposed disconnect? - Ahunt (talk) 23:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You want me to explain "contradiction"?  If you want to define A has being those of B which do not include C and D and then list as examples of A a set of B which, most of them, do include C and/or D then that is a very good example of a contradition.  If you write a contradictory article at WP expect to see it corrected.  If you don't like either of my two suggested fixes, the second of which tries very hard to fit in with you, then you must fix it yourself.  But the contradiction cannot be allowed to stand.  Paul Beardsell (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I didn't mention contradiction - I don't see one there. But I can see what you are getting at, obviously the term "fly-in" is used to mean different types of events in different parts of the world, so let me make a proposal in the article and see what you think. - Ahunt (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of Fly-in

message: It was very rare that pilots flew their planes to the early aviation meetings. The first one who ever flew to an aviation meeting was Hubert Latham, who flew from nearby Tempelhof to the Johannisthal field in Berlin on September 27th, 1909. This was the only time in 1909, all other planes were brought to the meetings by land transport. Flying to meetings got more common during the second half of 1910, but like cross-country flying in general it was was still rare.
I wonder if any event before WW1 can actually be considered a "fly-in", in the sense that at least most of the planes were flown there? Uu-flyer (talk) 18:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is certainly debatable. Really the article tries to cover all "air meets" under one banner, rather than splitting them up. - Ahunt (talk) 22:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked: The term "fly-in" was not used in "Flight" magazine even once during 1909-1914. The common expression during that time was "aviation meeting". I wonder when the term was first used at all? I find the term very questionable as a general catchword for air shows/displays. Uu-flyer (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be helpful to find the origin of the term, probably when the early air meets were basically spit into "airshows" and "fly-ins". - Ahunt (talk) 19:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The history part is a lot better now, thanks! If you are interested in the early meetings please check http://thefirstairraces.net Uu-flyer (talk) 19:44, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

text:  As for the most common term, I think "Aviation meet" is questionable. In Britain the term "aviation meeting" was certainly far more common than "aviation meet", 209 occurrences versus zero in the UK magazine "Flight" in 1910! In the US "Aeronautics" and "Aircraft" the situation was reversed, but less clear: 17-107 and 7-64 respectively. The word "meeting" was frequently used also in French- and German-language magazines too, but never "meet" (356-0 in "Aérophile" and 197-0 in "Flugsport" in 1910).Uu-flyer (talk) 20:16, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am just working from the ref cited, but if you have other refs that have other terms, then please do add them. - Ahunt (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't "fly-in" imply that planes actually are flown to the event? 

message: "Fly-in" is also used extensively in the Modern Western square dance community, and - it seems - even more particularly in the Gay square dance community, where it means a dance weekend (smaller than a full 'convention') that draws visitors from remote locations.
I don't think it's worth its own page, or a disambiguation listing, but might an "Other uses" section be worthwhile?
Jbsegal (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a hat note, will that cover it? - Ahunt (talk) 17:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect. I changed the pointer to Gay square dance, but yeah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks! Jbsegal (talk) 20:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine if that is a better target. - Ahunt (talk) 21:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses of the term