Talk:Boroughs of New York City

message: It says: "Technically, under New York State Law, a "borough" is a municipal corporation that is created when a county is merged with the cities, towns, and incorporated villages within it."  If that's true, then Queens didn't become a borough until a year after consolidation, as Queens County contained towns that did not join New York City.  Moreover, the two separate boroughs of Manhattan and The Bronx were part of the same county until 1914.  I don't believe this "technical" definition given in the article is correct, the boroughs were specifically set up to be sub-divisions of New York City.  98.221.124.80 (talk) 11:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Definition of Borough

message: Nice article, but I am a bit confused by "differs significantly from other borough forms of government used in the New York City area and elsewhere". There are other forms of borough government in NYC? That doesn't make sense to me. Does it mean the greater NYC area? --W.marsh 18:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the awkward and ambiguous sentence. It was reworded to refer to the surrounding Tri-State Region, where there are forms of boroughs in New Jersey, Connecticut and in Pennsylvania. Alansohn 14:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That sort of thing is more suited for the more general article, Borough. — Larry V (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing sentence

message: I am from NYC, specifically Staten Island, and thought that there should be a bit more added. Maybe include slight info on each borough? Talk about how the government is slightly different from the rest of the NYC area?
SKREAM 02:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should add a bit more  

message: I live in New York City (Queens) and ive never heard of Philly Florida and ESPECIALLY ISRAEL as the "Sixth Borough". The only places i heard as the sixth borough are the Rockaway penninsula, The Lower East Side and Hudson county and newark. Philly/Florida/ISRAEL!!?....
---If you look at the New York Times in 2005, you will find that philly is indeed called a sixth borough.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.88.91 (talk) 08:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth borough? 

message: No.  The Lower East Side is part of Manhattan.  It even says it on the Lower East Side article.  This does not belong under the sixth borough section.
Blakeelias (talk) 23:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sixth Borough: [Lower East Side]!? 

message: Would someone familiar with boroughs please explain the differences and compare or contrast how it differs from a county? In my understanding, the following relationships exist: 
* a city can have one or more boroughs
* a borough exists entirely within one city
* a county can have one or more cities
* a city exists entirely within one county (that is, a city cannot span counties)
Thanks for any comments. // Mark Renier (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The specific of counties and boroughs can vary, as counties are defined at the state level in the US, not the federal level. Some states do not even have counties: Louisiana has parishes, while, IIRC, Alaska has boroughs! As to your list, I know there are several cities that cross county lines; the one I remember is Atlanta, Georgia, which is mostly in Fulton County, but partly in Dekalb County. in some states, certain cities are not even in counties; Baltimore City is a separate division from the counties of Maryland, know as an Independent City. Virigia has about 40 independent cites that are not within counties. My point is that is it hard to make a comparison between counties and boroughs generically. We would probably have to limit it to New York State itself, but I don't know the particulars for that state for this matter. - BillCJ (talk) 07:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

text: See Borough (United States) and County (United States). jnestorius(talk) 11:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Compare "Borough" to "county"

message: I'm not sure about the intent of the column named "City Settled" in the table, as compared to the "Date Settled" column.
In the case of Manhattan, the date given in the table (1653) is the date of incorporation of the city of New Amsterdam, according to Manhattan. The date for Brooklyn (1756) doesn't match anything in History_of_Brooklyn; that article gives 1834 as the date of the creation of the City of Brooklyn. The table's Bronx date of 1734 isn't mentioned in History_of_the_Bronx.
If this column is intended to give the date of city establishment, it appears to be incorrect. If it's trying to convey some other information, that should be more precisely indicated.
LijeBailey (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of "City settled" column in table? 

message: While it's true that St. George is a significant community in Staten, and Jamaica is likewise for Queens, the other listed "villages" either did not exist, or were not villages in the borough to which they are attributed.  Regardless, the assertion that each of five listed villages became the basis for the Five Boroughs is extremely doubtful. Unless a citation can be found, the entire subsection should be removed.
I deleted the sentence, "In the America, a City Village welcomes to Hoboken, New Jersey from a University of New York," because it is nonsensical.
Vereverde (talk) 02:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical villages 

message: In the following sentence from the article, a deletion was made: The Borough of The Bronx was originally the parts of New York County that had been previously ceded by Westchester County, until Bronx County was created in 1914. In order to avoid an editing war in the main article, a consensus should be reached in this Talk Page.
It's my understanding that 'the Bronx' refers to the borough, and therefore the words, "The Borough of", are superfluous.  However, the correct name of the county is "Bronx County", not "The Bronx County".  So the sentence should read, "The Borough of The Bronx was originally the parts of New York County that had been previously ceded by Westchester County, until Bronx County was created in 1914." Some additions and style changes could also be made, but my main interest was to discuss the correct nomenclature. Vereverde (talk) 17:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While in normal discussion about the current Bronx, it's unnecessary to specify "Borough", it's clearer in the historical explanation above if you say what you're talking about, i.e. not just some neighborhood or area of either Westchester or New York Counties, but one of the five original Boroughs. And it's  but  with no definite article (outside official usage, normally called ). A very extensive discussion concluded recently about usage of the definite article in the Wikipedia article's title at Talk:The Bronx/Name, resulting in the restoration of "The". I'd suggest some phrase like "The Borough of the Bronx was formed from those parts of New York County that had been annexed from Westchester County between 1874 and 1897". —— Shakescene (talk) 04:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct nomenclature for the Bronx 

message: On 26 October 2010, an unregistered user deleted the paragraph on Marble Hill, stating that it seemed trivial and didn't relate well with the rest of the article.  I agree that the deletion improved the article, but for the following reason: this short article is a general discussion on the Five Boroughs as a whole, but the history of Marble Hill is quite specific to Manhattan and the Bronx.  Therefore, the short paragraph threw the article out of balance.  If, at some point in the future, "Borough (New York City)" develops a more detailed discussion on each of the boroughs, it may at that time be appropriate to include a sentence or paragraph about Marble Hill.  For those readers who are interested in Marble Hill, the wiki article on Manhattan includes a link, and I have added a link in the "See also" section at the bottom of "Borough (New York City)". Vereverde (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marble Hill 

message: This article doesn't really tell us how boroughs fit into the government of New York. Does anyone actually know about this? Lawdroid (talk) 01:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What does a borough do?

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message: I'll need to you to verify this claim.  The issue is that each borough is listed as a separate county of New York State.LakeKayak (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: True, just because they are coextensive does not mean that they are the same. In fact, while NYS counties have their own county governments, NYC boroughs do not have NYS county governments and fall under NYC jurisdiction. But, the NYC government website says  So they are county-level boroughs, or "county-boroughs" I'd say, but they differ from regular counties in that they lack county governments or seats. epicgenius (talk) 15:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Under New York State law, each county must have its own prosecutor's office, hence why New York City doesn't have a singular prosecutor's office, but one for each borough, as each borough is a county.  Also, when a couple of deer swam the Harlem River from the Bronx into Manhattan, there was some confusion as to what to do with them, as Manhattan and the Bronx are two separate counties, and state law said the deer should be released somewhere within the county in which they were captured, which was impossible to do in New York County.  71.226.227.121 (talk) 08:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boroughs aren't counties 

message: A single sentence from a New York based paper, with no data or references is used to substantiate the claim that Queens is "the most ethnically diverse county in the United States". Reference...O'Donnell, Michelle (July 4, 2006). "In Queens, It's the Glorious 4th, and 6th, and 16th, and 25th ...". New York Times. Retrieved July 20, 2014.
The second part of the sentence, "as well as the most ethnically diverse urban area in the world", is backed by an article that doesn't even mention ethnic diversity and a dead link.
Reference...Christine Kim, Demand Media. "Queens, New York, Sightseeing". USA TODAY. Retrieved March 20, 2016. and Andrew Weber (April 30, 2013). "Queens". NewYork.com. Retrieved March 20, 2016.
My personal opinion is there should be some solid data to back such an ostentatious claim. TexasRedChili (talk) 00:41, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  No real data to back up claim 

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message: "Queens included a western part, which was split-off during the consolidation to become Nassau County".  This appears to be a typo.  I am not o geographich expert but Nassau seems like "eastern part."  Sorry if I'm missing the obvious.Jamesdowallen (talk) 14:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nassau as "western part" of Queens County??  -- I think not. 

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message: none of the sources specify gdp per capita. i assume someone just took the county gdp and divided it by the borough population but this is meaningless. the product of a county has nothing to do with its population, especially in a place like manhattan where a huge part of its workforce lives in other counties. this column should be removed.--108.14.233.183 (talk) 22:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  gdp per capita