Talk:Backstreet Boys discography

message: The sales data on this page are positively incorrect and unresourced. Here are the ones found via the net:
http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/5070.html&ref_id=170877&ref_type_id=1 
Worldwide: 87m
Never Gone: 2m
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&ean=12414177926
Backstreet Boys: 13m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1468141.stm
Back n Blue: 6m
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Backstreet-Boys-Has-Been-Certified-Platinum-6824.shtml
Never Gone: 3m
http://arts.enotes.com/contemporary-musicians/backstreet-boys-biography
Backstreet Boys: 11m
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1477802/bio
Worldwide: 80m
http://www.livedaily.com/news/1862.html
Millenium: 30m
http://www.fyiottawa.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=arts&p=42154.html&a=1
Back n Blue: 14m
http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/backstreets-back-alright/2005/09/05/1125772450951.html
Worldwide: 73m
http://special.time.net.my/time4u/music/article.cfm?ID=159
Worldwide: 73m
http://mal_pal_69.tripod.com/id17.htm
Millenium: 30m
http://backstreetboysblog.donyell.net/?m=200508
Never Gone: 3m
60.234.242.196 09:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: This is a dispute about consistant editing of this page with unsourceds sales figures
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146.171.254.66 20:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment: Backstreet Boys Sales Figures 

message: You have noted that the 30 million figure is from 1999, and are making an assumption that as it is now 2007, they must have sold another 10 million, matching the reference you found. But this is an assumption, and these are not allowed on wikipedia. I have already mentioned that the link you have found which states 40 million is also non credible, when compared to all others. I will also attempt to show you that their sales have not been good over the past 6 years, and hope you will learn from this and stop re-editing on your beliefs. Millennium and BSB was a major hit in the USA, and it counted for 40% of global sales, so let us use the US market as an example: In December 1999 Millennium had sold 9.4 million . By end of 2000, this was 11.7m . By end of 2001, this was 12.0 million , and they were awarded 13 x Platinum even though they sold only 12 million. By end of 2003 it was 12.06 million . By the end of 2006 it was 12.1 million . Therefore in their biggest market they have sold only 0.4 million in the past 6 years. In the past 5 years after their last creditation in 2001 they have sold only 0.1 million. I am hoping that you can now see that the data makes it totally impossible for another 10 million to be sold, thus 30m is the best figure to use, and it is referenced so often by all sources. 60.234.242.196 10:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: wrong link posted. 2003 sales here:  60.234.242.196 09:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Millennium Sales 

message: Part of the wikipedia policy on ensuring accurate dat, is for verifiable sources to be used, and that concensus is also used. Therefore if all sites say one fact, and another source goes against said concensus, then it is not considered a verifiable resource. Here is from the internet - BBC News  20 million worldwide (21 January 2000), AJ News  30 million, Geocities  30 million, allpop.com (Toronto Sun)  30 million, Interlink Media  40 million, Entertainment Wire  28 million, Backstreet Net  21 MILLION, Amazon.com  20 million, BK  22 million. The concensus is therefore that it has sold 20 - 30 million worldwide 60.234.242.196 23:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: added the 'dubious' tag - as all links state below given reference. I can add that also on the United World Chart list.United World Chart Top Selling Albums of All Time that it is #55 on the list, amoungst albums that have sold far less than 30 million ... An alternative listing  has it as largest selling album of 1999 with 23 million sold. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 02:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia policy - Millennium Sales 

message: Once again, the data is incorrect. You have referenced 3 sites that are quoting the same source, and as said before, these are forums where the data is disputed. Therefore before changing again, please actually reseach. As I have shown, 30 million is a credible figure for Millennium. Although some say this figure is also inflated. So, let us look at sales figures compared to Millenium. In the USA - the biggest market, Black & Blue sold only 60% of the sales for Millennium . In the 2nd biggest market of the UK, Black & Blue sold only 100,000 copies . This is 30% of what Millenium achieved . Look at Germany, another stronghold for BSB, Millenium sold 200,000 under Roughtrade label, and 300,000 under Zomba label , whereas Black and Blue sold 200,000 only  = 40%. Another one - Australia. Millennium sold 210,000 whereas Black and Blue sold 70,000 . Again, 30%. You can see that sales for Black & Blue would be closer to 50% of Millennium NOT 80% as your figure of 24 million suggests. I have therefore reverted it. 60.234.242.196 10:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your research is well made; however, that does not compensate for the fact that your whole claim is basically speculation and what is "likely." We can't accept that. I also disagree that the sources given are disputed - they actually quote official sales data and some are confirmed by the official website and members of the band. Aran|heru|nar 05:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black & Blue sales 

message: Refer Best-selling albums in the United States since Nielsen SoundScan tracking began. Millennium (Backstreet Boys album) has sold 0.12 million in past 5 years in BSB's biggest market. Backstreet Boys (US album) has sold 0.8 million in the same period. So you are wanting everyone to believe that their average selling album has sold an additional 9 million in the same period , and without supply evidence. 60.234.242.196 01:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  discussion from talkpage 

message: the following was referenced as a source: *Worldwide Sales: 13 million+ 
This cannot be used for the following reasons. Firstly, it is a discussion group, not a verifiable source. Secondly, even if you read the discussions, you find that the person who made the claim did so by reading it on answers.com, which is a clone of wikipedia, and is also not allowed. Therefore reversing this. 60.234.242.196 21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never Gone sales 

message: Sales of 200 million. Finding a reference regardless of source does not make it a verified source. There is concensus in the music industry that BSB have sold 100 million, and this is reflected in the album sales showing. dailymirror source. This is from a valid, reputable source, but does not match all other known references. It (opinion only) is the same data that used to be on this discography page prior to it being referenced and researched. Eight88 (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no consensus within the music industry, most the sources used for sales figures have nothing to do with music, they are all terrible tabloids or iffy websites. — Realist2 20:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: actually agree. misworded. There is concensus in the reported news, references known that the sales are 100m 20:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I still strongly dispute there is any "consensus", your more than welcome to put all the sources in the article. Putting all the smaller sources with the lower figure and the bigger sources with the bigger figure. For example 35 million [1][2][3] - 40 million [4]. — Realist2 20:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference was misquoted. So amended it. It specified albums sold, whereas reference specifies records sold. Eight88 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's cool. The 200 figure seems very realistic indeed now. — Realist2 22:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As per resolved dispute [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_23#The_reliability_of_a_source_in_question] for List of best-selling music artists Eight88 (talk) 19:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: * millennium - in 1999 only the worldwide sale ere 19 million and by the end  of 2000 it was approx. 21 million 
it was said in the interviews and if any one of you have bought for the fans dvd its subjected in the video
*this is us - this album has touched the million mark ,, it was confirmed by the backstreet boys via face-book status  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.177.155 (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  backstreet boys album sales 

message: The Backstreet's Back article itself states that. In addition, Backstreet's Back is estimated to have sold 28 million copies according to the list of best-selling albums worldwide. It would have been impossible for that album to have sold so much as sources suggest its sales are only around 11-12 million. In addition, the german certifications don't make sense. Backstreet's Back has directly gone platinum without even getting gold status. The debut was already certified platinum (or 2x platinum) so it makes sense that Backstreet's Back's certifications were continued from platinum onward,ie, 2x Platinum-Platinum giving the actual sales203.101.45.224 (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not at all sure why you would lessen the number of Platinum-awards for album Backstreet's Back as you have done in this edit especially when you're curious about the gap that lies between the total figure the certifications suggest and the figure that's claimed by sources. Often times record companies inflate sales figures for promotional purposes, and those inflated figures are given to news services who publish them without doing any kind of research on their own. As for certifications, there are many records (Singles, Albums) that are posted without first having been certified Gold, whether in Germany or in any other market. To obtain certifications, artists' record companies must apply for the certifications; in other words, there is a fee that needs to be paid to the Certifying associations, and once a single/album reaches its platinum-status, record companies are not required to pay a separate fee to obtain the Gold certification and then pay another fee for the Platinum-certification; therefore, they choose to pay one fee and get the highest certification. Finally, we are to post certifications as they appear on the websites of certifying associations.--Harout72 (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said anything about inflating sales figures. In fact, the sources say only 11-12 m as i said. However, most people are combining the sales and giving 28 million. Also, you must have noted that the debut did way better than the 2nd album in Germany. Despite this, according to certifications, Backstreet's Back has sold 2 times more albums than the debut. Another thing is, in Australia, Backstreet's Back never made the year-end charts in 1997. However, it went gold. The debut album, on the other end, made the year end charts in 1997 and yet had no certification. There are many other things that don't add up. For instance, for the Mexican certifications, it is stated that Backstreet's Back was released in 1995 even though it was released in 1997. In the United Kingdom, Backstreet's Back got its silver status a week before it was even released. 203.101.45.224 (talk) 03:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

text: What about Germany? Backstreet Boys should have definitely sold more than Backstreet's Back there. You say that the final certification is most important. In Mexico, when Backstreet's Back got certified gold in '1995' it says that its final certification was in 1999. Then when it got its platinum certification in 1999 it says its final certification is in 2000. This indicates that the first and second were two different albums 203.101.45.224 (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

text: As I said, It is absolutely not possible for the US  version to be released in Germany. I'm 100% sure of that. Btw Nielsen states Backstreet Boys have sold 4.2 m copies in Canada. Is it combination of album and video sales because they have certifications of only 31.5 m. Even then I doubt they have sold more than 1m videos. So is 4.2 m albums + videos+singles or only albums and videos?203.101.45.224 (talk) 02:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

text: This is where i saw the Canadian sales its 4.081 not 4.2. Also, what does Backstreet Boys' certifications in the US have to do with an album not being released in Germany? 203.101.45.224 (talk) 01:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

text: But that still doesn't expain Backstreet Boys getting certified platinum twice. Then, the European certification is also too high. Backstreet's Back total sales in Europe come only about 2 million through certifications. Sales in regions which dont certify albums may give half a million copies more. In addition, Millennium has sold nearly as much as Backstreet's Back in Europe but yet Millennium has only 2x Platinum certification. How can Backstreet's Back sell 3 million copies more than Millennium if certifications show that their sales are nearly equal? Now if you do the reduction 5-3 you get 2 which makes more sense than 5x Platinum  203.101.45.224 (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as certifications go, Backstreet's Back has sold 1 m in germany, 0.6m in UK 50,000 in austria 0.1m in switzerland 0.1 m in belgium 50,000 in finland 160,000 is sweden 120000 for netherlands 0.1 m for france and 100,000 for poland. Now, for the countries that didnt certify then, Spain is the only country where sales were high,ie, others  like Hungary Russia Ukraine etc etc as you mentioned may have a platinum equivalent of only 10,000 or 20,000 copies which is not a lot. So if you had say 500,000 for uncertified regions and an extra 500-700k for extra sales after certification eg uk sales may be anywhere between 600-900k and german sales maybe anywhere between 1m and 1.25 m as you pointed out it crosses just a little over 3 million  203.101.45.224 (talk) 06:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

text: You are taking the maximum for each market and yes, it could be 3,360,000 but it is most likely around 2.8-3 mil. For instance, in the UK, it has probably sold something more like 650,000- 700000 rather than 850000. Spain had 100,000 for platinum and Backstreet's Back may have gone maybe 4x or 5x platinum there. The other countries=i still dont think will add up even to a million. Also, as I have pointed out, Backstreet's Back is only a few hundred thousand copies ahead of Millennium, so how can it be 3 million copies more than Millennium? In Norway, for instance, it went #1 and yet got no certification. In Finland, it did not do well on the charts and yet, sold much more than Millennium (49,334). In fact their debut did better in Finland and yet its sales stand only at 21000.  Look at the Swedish certifications. Backstreet's Back has gone platinum without getting gold first. You earlier explained to me that they had to pay some charge fees but then Backstreet's Back is the only album/single on the list that has directly gone platinum. It can't just be a coincidence and the fact that no other album has directly gone platinum clearly shows that IFPI don't certify like Germany. Another coincidence was that their debut went platinum just a week after Backsreet's Back release (It wasnt even charting then) . This clearly shows that their debut album went only gold and the 'platinum' given to their debut is in fact Backstreet's Backs gold certification 203.101.45.224 (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

text: How do i contact them? 203.101.45.224 (talk) 01:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Backstreet's back

message: There are two different Canadian charts that the Backsteet Boys have chart positions on. One is the Billboard Canadian Singles Chart, and the other is the RPM Canadian Singles Chart. The RPM chart was the equivalent of the Billboard Hot 100 in the U.S. Their chart positions in that magazine have legitimate sources. Because they are both equal charts,  I added the peak positions of the songs that appear on that chart. Some songs that don't appear on the 'Billboard C.S.C. have charted on the RPM chart, so I feel they should be included.
:You need to sign your comments. It would be nice if you didn't engage yourself in edit-warring. I asked you very politely in the edit summary to provide the exact page of the RPM which supposedly contains the position No.47 for "I'll Never Break Your Heart", instead you reverted my edits again without pointing out the page. Yes, RPM is a reliable source and I am not questioning that. Now, we currently have three sources supporting the Canadian singles positions, 1 (which doesn't contain the No.47 position), 2 (which also doesn't contain the position No.47], and the source for RPM doesn't seem to contain the position you insist on adding.--Harout72 (talk) 00:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Backstreet Boys Canadian chart peak positions

message: Can you help me understand why is it not notable and where is the discussion? I can't find it here. Krystaleen (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For the Fans was sold only at Burger King outlets and not at retail stores. It was more like a buy a meal, get a CD free or something like that than a typical commercial album. The discussion is here KingdomHearts25 (talk)  15:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That's more of a question instead of a discussion lol but I get what you mean. Don't you think it should be mentioned somewhere though? The only thing linking to it is the navigational box, I think.--Krystaleen (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Anyway don't you think the playlist compilation thing is less official than the others? I mean I don't even think it was the group who released it. The main article also refers to it as the "second greatest hits album" but I kind of disagree. The official website backstreetboys.com doesn't even list it.--Krystaleen (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Playlist compilation was officially released by Legacy Recordings not only for the Backstreet Boys, but for other artists as well and it is available in stores. Hung Medien also recognizes it KingdomHearts25 (talk)  18:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, the fact that it's a series of compilation for many artists and not a release by the group/their label is the very reason I think it's not notable. But I see other discography pages listed it so I guess it's notable after all. Weird though.--Krystaleen (talk) 02:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Sure, go ahead. KingdomHearts25 (talk)  15:36, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thank you.--Krystaleen 04:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm putting this up for FL nomination again and I don't think seeing For the Fans once again (after already being deleted) is going to go down well with the reviewers. Some may argue that it's notable enough, others won't. So, to be on the safer side, atleast until the reviewing is over, I'm removing For the Fans from both the sections. KingdomHearts25 (talk)  18:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

text: oh okay then.--Krystaleen 18:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the Fans 

message: Is there really no data about this besides the US 98k one? In Japan it's gone platinum so can we add the number? How many copies is platinum in Japan?
Edit: found some numbers on the album's article This Is Us (Backstreet Boys album)#Chart positions Can these be used? --Krystaleen  12:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: One platinum record in Japan indicates shipments of 250,000 copies. The figure in the article  only shows the minimum number of copies that This Is Us has shipped and not the actual number of copies that the album has sold, or for that matter, shipped. If you can find a source which shows the album's actual sales figures, we could add it to the list. KingdomHearts25 (talk)  15:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So everything in that table are only shipment and not sales? Like the Canada's 15,000 and UK's 5000? That's too bad.--Krystaleen  03:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Is Us sales 

message: Legit question. I never paid attention to that before. I honestly think that Christmas single shouldn't even be put in the same table as the other singles.--Krystaleen 03:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? I want to separate it into its own table, probably along with their first Christmas single back in 1996.--Krystaleen 08:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has there been a holiday song that chart on the regular chart? 

message: I mean, they're not artist-driven releases and neither album is mentioned anywhere on their official website, nor do the group itself ever acknowledge that those releases even exist.--Krystaleen 14:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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*Added  tag to http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/oldchart.asp?chartNum=1161&chartKind=S
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Backstreet Boys discography. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150924154403/http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=2&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=backstreet%20boys&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2011&sort=Artist&perPage=25 to https://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=2&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=backstreet%20boys&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2011&sort=Artist&perPage=25
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm really sorry but I seem to have merged the other chartered songs  list with "Let it be me" under featured artist. I have tried but can't seem to fix this .
Please help in fixing this mistake.  
My apologies again. Anantnambiar (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing the as featured artist list under artist 

message: According to current WP:DISCOGSTYLE, column amount of charts should be no more than 10. Can one of the chart column be removed? -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart columns of albums 

message: So the Backstreet Boys are finally releasing their first-holiday album and had already started working on it since March. Brian had given the fans a sneak preview of the songs called "Together" and Nick has confirmed another holiday classic "Oh Holy Night". Should I add the Christmas album to the list until its released?173.56.58.244 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas Album Coming Up