Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Wines task force/Archive 3

message: There is currently discussion going on at Talk:Judgement of Paris about moving that page to Judgment of Paris (mythology) and moving the 1976 tasting to Judgment of Paris (wine) with the main Judgment of Paris being a disambig page. Part of the reason is that the wine tasting event is known more as the Judgment of Paris then by the current title and moving the wine page makes sense. Comparing the "What links here" and the relative importance of each topic to their respective field, having a disambig page makes the most sense. Feel free to chim in on whatever your thoughts are. There not a current page move request, just some discussion. AgneCheese/Wine 20:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Judgment of Paris]] and [[Paris Wine Tasting of 1976]] 

message: I just had one of those "lightbulb in the shower" moments (<--Missourism, don't worry about it :p) and was wondering what you guys might think of in regards to a Wine Project Newsletter. I'm thinking of something that is a cross between the LGBT Newsletter I get to my talk page and the  Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. It could be delivered to the talk page and include things like "New Members", updates on our sub-projects like article assessment and the Chateau project, maybe a collaboration of the week (or month) and a review of any Wiki-wine related news like the development of WP:WINEGUIDE etc. I will be able expound on it more tomorrow but this was my first thought about it. What do you guys think? AgneCheese/Wine 20:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely! I think it would be useful for everybody. It also might prod some dormant editors into action! Steve.Moulding 20:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An idea: Wine Project Newsletter? 

message: It's a bit of a pedantic thing, but as we're working through wine articles, there is a need to get the capitalisation of various types correct. I'm not the expert on this, but most wines are made from cultivars the classic wine grape. Thus, to give it its full glory, Cabernet Sauvignon is Vitis vinifera 'Cabernet Sauvignon', where Cabernet Sauvignon is the name of the cultivar. However, Pinot noir, Pinot gris, Sauvignon blanc are NOT cultivars. Sauvignon and Pinot are cultivars, and the blanc/gris/noir are a descriptor for different expressions of the cultivar. Thus blanc/gris/noir should not be capitalized in those names. I'm not clear if those rules apply to the names in languages other than English (e.g., is it Pinot Grigio or Pinot grigio?), but I think we should slowly attempt to get it right where it's clear. --Limegreen 01:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: Do we have any coders or creative types willing to draft something up? AgneCheese/Wine 03:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to put something together. I have an idea in mind which I'll have to source, but it shouldn't take too long.--mikaul 10:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this project (last entry on the page) this morning which resulted in the generation of a "Barnstar of Life" for the Personal Life category, which as you probably know includes Food & Drink. As the main thrust of the original proposal on the subject of category barnstars was to minimise the number and diversity of awards of this nature, I wonder what you all think about conforming with this and using the generic Life barnstar for Wine. Of course, it's not as 'winey' as the one I've been working on, but it is quite nice...mikaul 09:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I can live with that one. AgneCheese/Wine 19:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Green barnstar with a red Champagne cap and/or basic corkscrew across; I'd post it just for laughs, but I never finished it :/ --mikaul 00:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very cool indeed! The transparency which makes it work would take it out of the realm of the barnstar, I fear, but there's no reason why a glass wouldn't work.--mikaul 22:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks! This was the only way I could think of evoking an idea of both still and sparkling wines. A barrel would work in this respect but wouldn't be be as pretty ;) If the consensus is for a wine glass AND we definitely want a wine barnstar, I'll have another go at it. --mikaul 22:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wine related barnstar? 

message: Feel free to add your thoughts to the WID page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine/Newsletter/Wine Improvement Drive. Also take a look at our current article Carmenère which is getting close to GA. AgneCheese/Wine 20:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any new nominee's for the Wine Improvement Drive? 

message: *So, is the Wine Portal something we should follow? And have one just like beer does? I created it just in case [] If this is something people may wanna do, I will start making the page and the several parts to add (Did you Know, Featured Article, etc). I thought we could also have a part where the Current Wine Newsletter would be featured, or at least parts of it. Also, I though we could have The Wikipedia Wine Society where we would select a wine weekly, taste it, and encourage an article about the winey or the region. It would be like a Wine Club but in Wikipedia. In it we could reccomend wines and do tasting lessons or wine appreciation lessons. I thought that we could also add our WIne of the week to the Wine Newsletter.  Please write your comments in this area so I know whether to go forward with these 2 projects.Charleenmerced  Talk 05:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wine Portal and The Wikipedia Wine Society

message: *There are many wine articles out there that are not tagged for the Wine Project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wine_stubs - these stubs need to be check as to whether they include the wine project tag. They are separated by letter. Please choose one (to remain consistent) and check whether the tag is there.Charleenmerced  Talk 15:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagging articles for the WikiProject:Wine

message: *Igor Ryjenkov Even though I am mostly agaisnt notability restrictions. Can we please discuss as to whether or not this is notable enough?Charleenmerced  Talk 15:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm....I'm inclined to vote yes on the basis of being a Master of Wine. In the Wine World, that is pretty much our equivalent of getting to the "Major leagues" for a sports player since it is the highest level within the profession that one can attain. Same with a Master Sommelier. They are both every bit as notable as some relief pitcher in baseball who pitched 5 games. That's good enough for WP:BIO. AgneCheese/Wine 19:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: *Bully Hill Vineyards This article REALLY needs to be fixed and wikified. Charleenmerced  Talk 21:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I found one too at Belgravia vineyard and had a go at fixing it. If you can not fix it, tag it for cleanup or whatever. --Bduke 01:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs to be Wikified and/or improved

message: * I added tons of info to Wine label and changed it a bit. Please provide an assessment so I know what to improve. Charleenmerced  Talk 02:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles to rate

message: * Bent Creek Winery and Big White House have been tagged for deletion. Please discuss them and support keeping the articles. Charleenmerced  Talk 02:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article's Deletion

message: I just LOVE this photo of wine flavored gummies but I can't think of a good article to put it in? My first, tongue in cheek, thought was Wine and food matching but I don't see that going far. Any ideas? AgneCheese/Wine 06:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny but... seems inappropriate for any article in the wine category.--Gsherry 07:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh...that was the dead end that I hit too. But it is just so darn cute. :) Maybe some day we'll have a Wine in popular culture article that might work. Or I could use it in the newsletter. :p AgneCheese/Wine 19:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, I really like this one though. ◄§ĉҺɑʀκs► 10:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is really good one and it has a Wiki-friendly license too. AgneCheese/Wine 19:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps for the article you are looking for is Wine gums? Rescendent 13:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wine Photo needs home 

message: I have converted "Template:Infobox Winery" to "Template:Infobox Australian Winery" to be be more appropriate for Australia and added a link for it on the main Project page. The template is so far only used on Tahbilk. It probably needs more tweaking to make it even more suitable for Australia. The changes are:
* Remove linking for location, as many place articles contain the State and some States contain "Australia" to avoid diambiguation with names in UK and other countries, and added State.
* Replaces "appellation" with "wine region".
* Added more varieties, as some Australian wineries grow an enormous number of different varieties. Tahbilk, for example, grows 15, so I increased the number from 10 to 15.
* added "Other attractions", as several wineries have other things to attract the tourist. Several, for example, have prreserved wetlands and allow tourists to tour them.
Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. I'll add it to "Grange" soon. --Bduke 08:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Penfolds with Penfolds Grange of course as its signiture wine now has the new infobox. --Bduke 10:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:Infobox Australian Winery

message: Hello all. Please stop by the newly created Portal:Wine (thanks to Userpage:Scharks and provide nominations for the update of the page in the Did you know and Pictures areas and in the others as well. Charleenmerced  Talk 21:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wine Portal Nominations

message: We are getting towards the end of the Wine Improvement Drive for Languedoc Wine and any additional help would be appreciated. A big need is an editor's touch-copy edit, grammar fixes and word flow improvement, etc. I consider my niche to be that of a research labrat but I'm certainly lacking in the "brilliant prose" area so, again, any help would be appreciated. Let's get this puppy up to GA! AgneCheese/Wine 18:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To get some extra input, I put up a Peer review request. Hopefully we can get some new ideas that will help improve the article. AgneCheese/Wine 18:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Languedoc Wine]] 

message: All I can say is WOW! It looks really nice. Kudos to Scharks! AgneCheese/Wine 18:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Look Project Page 

message: I'm curious is there is a way to include percentage calculations on the article assessment table so that at a glance we could know what percent of our articles at B-class, stub-class etc. I don't think the "importance level" would need percentages but tracking the quality level would be a helpful tool. Do any of our super coders have any ideas? AgneCheese/Wine 18:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the article assessment table is automatically updated by a bot, any changes made to it will be overwritten the next time the bot runs. I had a look to see if any other wikiprojects have done something similar to what you requested and the closest I found was here. The tables need to be manually updated so they would be a lot of work. ◄scharks► 12:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Article Assessment Table 

message: I just wanted to reccoment this really good wine that I tried today. It is an 2003 Escudo Rojo from Chile. It is a blend of 4 grapes: Cab. Sauv. Cab Fran, Syrah and Carmenere. It is very for, especially for the price (about $13). Here is what I thought about it.(under the Escudo Rojo entry). I just wanted to share this wine with the members of the project because I really liked it. Charleenmerced  Talk 02:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wine Recommendation

message: I'd like to get some additional wine project opinions on this article. It seems to cross extensively over into the original research realm. The subject matter obviously merits inclusions but it seems like a referenced paragraph that avoids looking like a "How to" in the Champagne (wine) article would suffice. AgneCheese/Wine 03:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section is interesting; "physics" a little unconvincing; the "how to" would be better as a precis of the technique with a link to a pictoral tutorial like this one. Otherwise it's informative but needs at least some refs to give it credibility. mikaul 09:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sabrage]]

message: Just wanted to get some feedback on merging the Bollinger Vieilles Vignes Françaises article with the Bollinger article. It seems as though the information that is (and could be) contained in the VVF page can be covered just as well by the sub-section on the main Bollinger page. Camw 02:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bollinger Vieilles Vignes Françaises Merger Proposal

message: I created a page for Wines of Veneto over the weekend, as it's a very important Italian region and is home to Soave, which I've also expanded a little. I'm looking for photos for these (do I need express permission from people with appropriate licences on Flickr?) and would like to know what you think so far, maybe check facts and add some refs. I've added Soave to wp:wine as an article to expand. mikaul 10:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New article

message: I've created :Category:Wine-related images, which I'm hoping to be a collection of Wikipedia's good quality wine related images. If you have any favourite images, or find a great shot on your travels through wine articles, please add the image to this category. We could then choose the Wine Portal selected picture from this category. ◄scharks► 10:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New images category 

message: I've also started Template:Infobox grape variety, however I'm not exactly sure what information should be in the infobox. Please provide your suggestions for infobox fields on the Infobox grape variety talk page. ◄scharks► 13:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox grape variety]] 

message: After probably my most marathon edit to date, I've finally completed a separate list of Spanish wine regions in table format. I'm off now to link to it from the main Spanish wines page (where the old list will need weeding out) but if anyone would care to take a look at the new list and check it over, I'd be grateful. The first thing you will notice is a load of red links... another marathon task waiting to be done. Even the blue ones are mostly non-wine-related links. I'll add them to the pile on the project page. mikaul 15:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Spanish wine regions|List of Spanish wine regions]]