Category talk:Jewish scientists

message: This category, apparently, contains a list of various figures who are "Jews" in either a religious, a culturual, a matrilineal, or a familial sense, with a hodge-podge mixture of different meanings between the figures. User:Lulu_of_the_Lotus-Eaters
:OK, but we really need some stated criteria for who goes in here.  Just referring to several other pages from which readers may (or may not) manage to fathom the intended category scope is no good. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters
*It looks like this category has caused some controversy I was hoping to transfer some of the lists at List of Jews into categories so you can actually see their inclusion on the linked pages I have started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jews_in_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jews_in_the_visual_arts
and this one, maybe there is an easier way to transfer these lists to categories? comments appreciated Arnie587 00:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 2005 

message: If this category is done properly, it will soon have a very large number of names.  Wouldn't it be sensible to start categories for Jewish physicists, biologists, etc.? - Newport 22:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split up? 

message: What is the sense in this categorization? Shouldn't we have a page for vegetarian scientists as well? What about Aryan restauranteurs?
The label "Jewish writers", say, may make some sense in certain contexts: there are certain motifs in common in -- for example -- the works of Saul Bellow, Bernard Malamud and Mordecai Richler. (Of course, even then, it would be more precise and meaningful to refer at some point to their origins in an immigrant population coming from a particular swath of Eastern Europe, sharing, in most cases, certain practices or beliefs.) "Jewish scientists" seems to be a quasi-racial classification done for its own sake (or goodness knows what purpose). It might be safe to venture that few of the figures listed here observed any religion, and even if they did, it is hard to see what effect that would have had on their work. It is not as if there were such a thing as Jewish science.
:The relationship of religion and science is of some interest even if not to you. Also "Jewish" is considered to be an ethnicity or nationality as well. On religion see :Category:Christians in science and :Category:Muslim scientists. On similar nationality or ethnicity categories see :Category:Catalan scientists, :Category:Puerto Rican scientists, :Category:Welsh scientists, and :Category:African American scientists.--T. Anthony 12:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aim? 

message: I think that the chief problem with this list is its inclusion of those who are Jewish scientists by race (such as Steven Rose, who is an atheistic biologist), and those who who are Jewish by religion. Perhaps it would be an idea to have a sub-heading in ths category, so  that readers can check which Jewish scientists have remained devout, practicing Jews. ACEO 19:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would open a can of worms.  One person's devout, practising Jew is another's "hardly keeps anything".  The only sensible procedure consistent with the principles of Wikipedia is to find a reliable source that says that someone is Jewish.--Runcorn 23:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish scientists: Religious or cultural-social group?

message: A further problem with this list is it gives no rationale for inclusion either in this page, or in any link/other relevant Wikipedia page. As it stands the list includes at least one who was not known by any family or friends to be a Jew - Samuel Rosslington Milner. Milner was a practicing Christian for all of his life. Possibly someone has assumed he was a Jew because of his name, which he did not use - he was known as Ross - and his associtation with others in the list, for example Dennis Garbor.  Pawyai (talk) 03:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish scientists: A real and consistent group?

message: It is strange! Prof. Lotfi Zadeh is not a Jewish but his name is in this category!
Is there any source? I suggest removing some mistake information.
It seems that some people like to say most of scientists are Jewish!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.27.200.230 (talk) 08:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lotfi Zadeh is not a Jewish 

message: Yes, there is not any creedable source that indicate Zadeh is Jewish, however may be his mother was Jewish but it is not enough because his father was a Muslim.  
Johnsmith906 (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a Plagiarism in this page! 

message: Albert Einstein is not here  - yet, he is probably the most famous of all Jewish scientists. I may well add him. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 08:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Albert Einstein

message: Noticed the category tagging of Melanie Klein
    Jewish scientists (−) (±)
    Austrian Jews (−) (±)
    Jews from Galicia (Eastern Europe) (−) (±)
    Hungarian Jews (−) (±)
    British Jews (−) (±)
as well as:
    Austrian psychologists (−) (±)
    Hungarian psychologists (−) (±)
    British psychologists (−) (±)
    Austrian psychoanalysts (−) (±)
    Hungarian psychoanalysts (−) (±)
    British psychoanalysts (−) (±)
    Austrian expatriates in Hungary (−) (±)
    British people of Hungarian descent (−) (±)
    People from Vienna (−) (±)
    Freudians (−) (±)
    History of mental health in the United Kingdom (−) (±)
    History of psychiatry (−) (±)
    Analysands of Karl Abraham (−) (±)
    Analysands of Sándor Ferenczi (−) (±)
It leaves no room to actually categorize Melanie Klein substantial intellectual work. 
Strongly suggest considering using "List of ...." titled articles verses category tagging. 
For example, start articles:
* List of Famous Jewish scientists
* List of Famous Austrian Jews
* List of Famous Jews from Galicia (Eastern Europe)
* List of Famous Hungarian Jews
* List of Famous British Jews
* etc. 
Then eliminate all categories and JUST have ONE: "Famous Jews". That way a biography article like Melanie Klein could be category tagged JUST ONCE with the "Famous Jews" category. However, punching down on that category link you would have a full list of all famous Jews PLUS the "List of" more specialized articles listings by location, specialty, etc. Perhaps have categories "Lists of Famous Jews by location" [tag all relevant list pages with that tag, "Lists of famous Jews by occupation" [tag all list pages with that tag], etc. Might want a list of Famous Jewish Social Scientists and put Melanie Klein on that one. Keep the List of Jewish scientists for hard sciences? see also []
Rick (talk) 10:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Oy Vey!