Talk:Murder of Joseph Augustus Zarelli

message: Some note should be made on his ethnicity. He had blue eyes and the long head made them think he was probably Nordic or close to it (Brit, etc). Cake (talk) 23:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity

message: Before the change is made to move the image of the crime scene above the infobox, an agreement needs to be made. Several other editors have disagreed with this formatting, including me. I'm open to talk about it as long as the discussion remains civil. --GouramiWatcherTalk 15:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image placement 

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message: the picture of the boy in the box when found looks like you can see his genitals in the picture. 64.66.220.230 (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a fold of the blanket. --Auric talk 10:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible that genitals are showing 

message: Will be released next werk 2601:188:C680:7A80:899D:EFEE:2A24:EE87 (talk) 23:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: with a heavy heart I look forward to the article name change…2A00:23C4:3E08:4001:F0A4:F73C:C6F6:13F4 (talk) 02:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to ask "shouldn't this article just be named "Boy in the Box"? Philadelphia is redundant, as this is the primary topic.." Then of course I reminded myself that this article will be re-named in due course anyway...at long last.--SinoDevonian (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Sources state that he was the child of a prominent family in Delaware County, Pennsylvania." Emphasis added. Need to keep an eye on the investigation, I fear it might be desultory, considering the words I bolded in the quote. If so, I'd like us to say so. OTOH the principles are surely dead by now, and it depends on various factors, we could well get a thorough investigation, you never know. To be continued. Herostratus (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was very surprised that the family and other "details" were not disclosed. Perhaps these were omitted just to get the actual name public asap. I have seen at least one good theory on the web, but a good theory on the web is not good enough for Wikipedia - so let's wait until more details are made public. By "good theory" I mean several details seem to match with the official announcement, some seem to contradict it. But I'd expect another announcement in either case. Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has been Identified 

message: That still seems to be the common name going around. If he becomes better known as his real name, then we can keep the current title. Thoughts?  Bremps 23:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as long as the correct redirects are in place, it doesn't super matter. It's an interesting case. Almost all existing sources use "Boy in the box", this is true. However, in this case for my part it's worthwhile to make an exception and use the name. For one thing, proper name will likely rapidly become more common in sources -- already is. For another, I don't see a problem with readers searching on "boy in the box" being taken to an article with this title; it's informative... his name, and that it is known, is super important. People searching on "boy in the box" are presumably coming from old sources; it is true that principle of least surprise is served by using that title for the article (if they are still the plurality -- they certainly aren't for this month, and probably never will be again IMO). But they'll live, and mostly the article title will be useful I guess. My 2c. Herostratus (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense.  Bremps 15:34, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change article name back to Boy in the Box 

message: "It is believed by both police and public opinion that the cause of death was blunt force trauma". Including the police opinion makes sense, but public opinion? The court of public opinion should have no place in this or anything else. 166.196.103.31 (talk) 00:22, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point, even if it is in the source (dunno, we are not allowed to have TV here), the source is just some talking head. Maybe they meant something like "the opinion of others who have studied the matter", but since I can't see the source I don't know. So per your point I simply removed it, thanks for the tip. Herostratus (talk) 04:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death