Talk:Operation Greif

message: Need a reference for the Omar Bradley story.  It has an urban legend feel to it.
Roadrunner 19:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

message: ina documentry they said that intelgence offi cers who were from europe acidently wqere acused could thsi be added(Esskater11 22:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  happy birthday ritche boys 

message: Isn't it POV to call war criminal Hitler "German dictator Hitler"?  Start this and every head of state could be called names, including your head of state/government. Even wikipedia uses the Hitler example.  They say just to describe what he did, not call him names.
Note: I do not support Hitler.Jerseycam 18:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hitler's title was not dictator

message: The article says Germans wore Allied uniforms.  Later it says they wore American uniforms.  There's no reference that Germans wore British uniforms.  Corrected this problemJerseycam 18:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: inconsistent article

message: It is NOT a war crime to wear enemy uniforms! It is however a crime to wear them during combat.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.247.96 (talk) 08:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's just suppose they were still going to wear the uniforms, and that Demolition squads of 5 or 6 men were to destroy bridges, ammunition dumps, and fuel stores. Or maybe reconnaissance patrols of 3 or 4 men were to reconnoiter on both sides of the Meuse river and also pass on bogus orders to any US units they met, reverse road signs, remove minefield warnings, and cordon off roads with warnings of nonexistent mines. 
Maybe also to "Lead" commando units would work closely with the attacking units to disrupt the US chain of command by destroying field telephone wires and radio stations, and issuing false orders......they would be so heavily involved in combat missions, combat it is. 83.108.31.191 (talk) 21:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Come to think of it, its not nice to make war in a false uniform. Being taken as a p.o.w while still being in a false uniform is not the ideal thing, unless you want to be a sideshow for stupid deaths. --83.108.31.191 (talk) 21:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

text: So What?
If you as a lawyer can prove the legal innocence of those involved?
They didn´t know about those exact laws.
They were soldiers, what they knew was how to dig a hole to hide in while shooting at the enemy. 
The enemy was what the Fuhrer told them. 
A racist might have guessed to be able to tell the identity of the enemy by skin color:
Japanese are yellowish and slicy eyed, Arabs are dark-skinned and riding a camel, English are Angle-ish Germanic tribe who accidentally stumble across the North Sea therefore Germans by another name. 
The racist guesses: Japanese=enemy, Arabs=enemy, English=friend, yet the Fuhrer tells them it´s the exact opposite of what the racist believes according to his intuition.
The racist, like any other working class German, gets beaten up for believing anything but what the Fuhrer tells the working class German to believe to be right/wrong. 
So, those soldiers who were part of this operation, they did what they were told to do. 
Volunteers? The Fuhrer asked them for their cooperation - they knew their parents and loved ones existed somewhere withing the Reich, within the Fuhrers grasp, within the reach of the Fuhrers 'agents' ( I´d consider the anonymous agents to be the more likely real Fuhrer - hey, Hitler was a foreigner, illegal alien, no connections, operating from within Germany / cf wikipedia: Kluengel ). 
Even if they were real real volunteers, All Quiet On The Western Front, ordinary soldiers are recruited from teenagers, the more functionable ( =less paranoid) teenagers are those who believe in what the authority (teacher/parent/Fuhrer) tells them to believe in. 
The actual question is: Where ist the spiritual/mental elite?
What is power? Power is when you can take what you want to take. 
If the spiritual elite is acting on behalf of their power, all they need to do is not to oppose a Fuhrer that grants the elite the ability to take, while the Fuhrer is content with being left with the responsibility for what happens.
Legal punishment is different from mindless revenge in that punishment aims at getting those people who have the choice between doing right or wrong to choose the right path. 
The right path on the other hand is something that´s defined by the spiritual/mental elite of the nation. 
So: it really doesn´t matter if what those punished for their obvious involvement in this operation were legally innocent. 
There is a question. 
The problem is to define what the question actually is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.98.253 (talk) 12:36, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  hague convention of 1907 

message: In one section, the article says,
:"In all, forty-four men were sent through US lines, and all but 8 returned."
But in the next section, it mentions that 16 German soldiers who were part of this operation were tried and executed. So, which number is accurate? 69.125.134.86 (talk) 14:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not a contradiction.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Tropic Thunder vs Inglourious Basterds. The first time I watched Keanu R. in a movie I wondered "I know this guy...but from where?" answer: my grandmother had a picture of one of the survivors ( who was, well, who died from exposure in his twenties after being held in prison for his black/American uniform history during the WWII ). Believe it or not, The Pianist, Inglourious Basterds, The Matrix, ... 
'one got a movie deal'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.75.44 (talk) 00:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: This was the origin of the "Who won the World Series in [a specific year]?" question meme, which was fairly prominent in United States pop culture in the 1950s or 1960s... AnonMoos (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Who won the World Series?"

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message: Is there a better source for this?  The pdf is not accessible to general public and Mitcham's book seems fairly recent and frankly sensationalistic.
Not even Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery was exempt from Skorzeny's commando paranoia. Upon hearing of Eisenhower's confinement, Montgomery took off in his staff car towards Malmédy to increase his own prestige amongst Allied troops. Little did he know that a rumor had been spread in the Ardennes that one of Skorzeny's commandos looked strikingly similar to Montgomery and had identified himself as such at several U.S. checkpoints. When U.S. guards halted his car at the first checkpoint, Montgomery told them that he would not put up with such nonsense and ordered the driver to keep going. The guards angrily shot out his tires and dragged the field marshal to a nearby barn where he was detained for several hours. Montgomery was enraged and called for the court martial of the U.S. privates if they did not release him. He was also insulted that they did not recognize him after the guards demanded his identification. He was only released after a British captain known to the Americans properly recognized the fuming field marshal. An amused Eisenhower gained great pleasure from the incident, saying this was the best thing for which Skorzeny had ever been responsible.
174.0.48.147 (talk) 22:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: the pdf cited points to other dubious and secondary sources, all seem to have been written decades after the war.174.0.48.147 (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Montgomery fish story

message: i knew you where there before?
my father´s mother told me that her son had appeared before her in a vision, uniformed as a GI soldier  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD6:2D91:0:B83E:BCD8:5935:64A1 (talk) 11:17, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  abraxas 

message: everday, 6:00 oclock, when you had to be raised from guessing,  hard voice  that  guy pictured on the right side is an mot soldier  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD6:2D91:0:50EA:5EE9:8B29:B77A (talk) 11:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let us leave it to guessing 

message: This way too much relies on the knowledge of the reader. Did you want to write “they were not to be excused as francs-tireurs” or “they were not to be condemned as francs-tireurs”? I have spent half-an-hour studying Wikipedia just to conclude that the international war law is crazy and that Chesterton was right (that often happens). However, clarification of that sentence would be welcome.
Ceplm (talk) 06:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  > they were not to be considered francs-tireurs. 

message: What do Russians and French have in Common? They don´t know how to pronounciate the letter 'h'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A549:6391:0:91A7:68F1:A450:8300 (talk) 06:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Age Problem