Talk:Houston/Archive 9

message: worked a little on article, link from main houston page needs to be redone. sorry its so sloppy but the kiddo is crying and need to run! cheers
Urban909  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.224.8 (talk) 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ellington Field Renamed

message: I moved this from the article because it was unsourced, was too long and didn't fit in the article very well. Also needs a good copyedit. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article

message: I swapped the placement of the first two images back to their original placement when the article became a FA. The text appears (to me) to flow around the images a little better this way. Postoak (talk) 23:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Not only is this newly added section trivia and formated as a list (both of which are discouraged), the list is significantly incomplete. It will be a magnet for additions and, most likely, prove to be unmanageable. I suggest removing it. Perhaps a seperate list/article would be possible. --Evb-wiki (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I noticed that it's already covered by adding the celebritie's articles to :Category:People_from_Houston,_Texas --Enric Naval (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebities sec 

message: This information is not found in the inforbox on any major city articles. NYC, LA and Chicago have multiple aiports but they are not listed in the infobox.  It is nonstandard. Primary and Secondary based on what criteria? Popularity? Passengers? What about EFD? It was recently added to Dallas by the same editor who keeps adding it here. I don't feel it belongs. Also, why just airports? Why not also list the primary port of Houston, the train stations and the bus stations in the infobox? Because it is irrelevant information in the infobox. Postoak (talk) 03:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Airport information in the infobox

message: The image of the city in the infobox was changed because the editor felt it was "more appropriate". However, several of the buildings are obscured by trees. I reverted to the previous image because the older image provided a better view of the skyline /buildings. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 20:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: An IP user in AFC has suggested an article on Seven Meadows, which is considered a suburb of Houston. I don't know if Seven Meadows is already mentioned here or not, but I still am not sure whether it really merits an individual page or not. Could someone please look at it here, and give their opinion? Thanks! The Gorgeous Girl!!! (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it was already speedy deleted. Postoak (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that was a link to AFC, and I guess I got the name wrong. I don't think the article itself has ever existed. The Gorgeous Girl!!! (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Meadows 

message: A montage photo was added to the infobox recently. I pulled it because the images are not up to par, especially if you compare to the montage photos at NYC, Chicago, etc. The TMC (gathering storm clouds?) and Astrodome (big pole up the middle, half of image is concrete) images aren't that great..let's try for some top notch photos and try it again. We've got some great photographers here, hopefully they can help. Thanks, 05:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the creator of the montage photo's for Los Angeles, [[Las Vegas< Nevada|]], Auckland and San Francisco and I would be happy to create one for the Houston article (if there are no objections).  Taifarious1   05:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections whatsoever! I was admiring your work at the other city articles. Thank you! Postoak (talk) 05:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Then I shall get started ASAP, but its almost 7pm here and i'm hungry and the Simpson's starts soon :)  Taifarious1   06:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Montage

message: Given the huge amount of damage from hurricanes Ike, Rita and Alicia, it seems something about hurricanes should be added to the climate section.  Houston's location on the Gulf Coast means this severe weather will always be a factor in city history and development.--Parkwells (talk) 15:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and dig in! :) –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate and hurricanes

message: It looks like many websites disagree with wikipedia about the prevailing wind being from the southwest (many say southeast), where is the citation for this?
Osndok (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is a source that indicates southeast? Postoak (talk) 20:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prevailing Wind Pattern

message: There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Houston, Texas would be moved to Houston. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Sorry guys, Im new and could not figure out how to open a first talk post in the "Port of Houston" page, but the Google Earth Wikipedia Placemark for the port of Houston is in Barbour's cut, a very small 2 ship loading area.  The actual Port of Houston is further North and West.  Im hoping soemone can move it because this will certainly confuse school age kids studying this port. Urbanz (talk) 16:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Port of Houston

message: Featured, with no map showing its location within its county or Texas in general?  For shame!  Would someone be so kind as to provide a map?  The Jade Knight (talk) 13:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The map was replaced. Postoak (talk) 07:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: As a regular cities editor, I noticed that your article literally begins its historical context at its founders whereas most other city articles will indeed start with Native Americans or some previous inhabitant that was moved and as well mention a trace of what the city was before it was colonized. While I don't see it as a pre-requisite for a History section to meet WP Cities, any mention of history before the founders is strikingly absent in the associated History of Houston page. Could some of you editors explain this absence, was there really nothing and nobody in the area before Western settlement? Certainly a mention of Spain's dominance? I find this hard to believe. On a side note, the associated history and timeline pages need cleaning up. I think NOT NEWS would apply to various historically insignificant murders which have nothing to do with THE CITY's history. davumaya 06:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History begins... when? 

message: The article makes no mention of sister or twin cities
TexinNPhilly 01:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The link to the article was replaced..see the Culture section. Postoak (talk) 07:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister Cities 

message: There is lots of overlap with the Greater Houston article.  Some may consider it a content fork.  Content forks are not permitted.  I'm not too concerned about it for now. Chergles (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  content fork? 

message: The statement below was removed from the history section because it is not a key historical event for the city. It might be more appropriate for the Sam Houston article or for "Holland House" if one exists, but not the lead of the history section where the founding of the city should be the lead sentence.
"In 1835, one year before the initial founding of the city of Houston and one year before being elected first President of the Republic of Texas, Sam Houston founded the Holland Masonic Lodge in where now lies Houston, TX.(( http://www.hollandlodge.org/hlfamous.htm ))"
- Postoak (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the webpage provided does not support the claim made. While it indicates that the lodge was founded in 1835, there is no claim or indication that the original location of the lodge was at the same place it is now, or that it was at the location Houston is now, before Houston was established by the Allen brothers. --Evb-wiki (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: That was a typo (which I now have fixed). The webpage indicates the founding was 1835, but doesn't indicate it was in the place that became Houston. See link to the Historical Association article provided by Postoak below. --Evb-wiki (talk) 20:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Texas Historical Association , the Holland Lodge was established in Brazoria, Texas in 1835. After a difficult period, it was then moved to Houston and chartered in October 1837. The statement above is incorrect. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Additional source indicates the lodge was not established in Houston in 1835, but in 1837. . Postoak (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I removed it, because the statement does not indicate why the fact is significant to the history of Houston. Based on that, the mention carries undue weight in this article. BTW, I left mention of the lodge in the Sam Houston article because it is something Sam Houston did, which is more relevant to that article. --Evb-wiki (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Evb-wiki...this belongs in the Sam Houston article, a Freemasonry article, or perhaps "History of Masonic lodges in Texas" where it is more relevant. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Holland Lodge Removed from article

message: you might want to update the "most recent snowfall" bit to today. WDIV is reporting that houston got 3 inches' worth, though it all melted due to the warm soil (it was 77F the day before). RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 04:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  snow 

message: I've put the information about the Port back in, as there was no reason given to delete it, and  it seems significant to me, at least for a link to the main page there. Swanny18 (talk) 12:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add sources. Postoak (talk) 13:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is the Port of Houston page; I took some text from there to make a summary for here. Is the information wrong? Swanny18 (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port of Houston 

message: I am sure a discussion about this has taken place before, but I'd suggest adding "Bayou City" as a nickname. I lived for Houston for many years, and I recall hearing this often. Just a suggestion! -Whataworld06 (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Space City is the official nickname. It was agreed a while back to only keep the official nickname in the infobox because of the repeated entry of unofficial nicknames. The culture section of the article lists additional nicknames as well as the article Nicknames of Houston. Why should H-Town be listed over the other nicknames? And no, everyone that lives in Houston does not call it h-town. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: This section removed, no need for it. No other city FA's have this. Postoak (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Location from Houston

message: The "top" classification is only for country capitals. Wallie (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: City classification

message: I removed the supposed local pronunciation "/juːstən/."  I live in Houston.  Nobody who lives here says it like that.  We laugh at people who do.--LoveCowboy2024 (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. This second pronunciation is used, if not by the majority. Specifically I hear it often from long time residents of the Humble area; perhaps because the H in Humble isn't pronounced. My yankee friends mock my use of "y'all", but it's still acceptable here in "Yew-Ston" --Long, Tall Texan (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lived in Houston for 20 years. Never heard that pronunciation. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a native and rarely hear it pronounced this way. I'm removing it from the lead because it isn't a common pronunciation. Postoak (talk) 23:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

text: The only place I've heard it pronounced Yewstun was in Pennsylvania. Nobody in Houston says it that way. --YixilTesiphon TalkContribs 19:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree. I live here and have never heard it pronounced that way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlbarton (talk • contribs) 20:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, it's very rare that I here this pronunciation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbonsib (talk • contribs) 00:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Many new images were added to the article recently that did not have copyright notes and were scheduled for deletion on June 30, 2009. A quick check on a few images revealed some concerns:
copyvio  and previous licensed image was illegally classified as public domain:
left|200px|thumb|This image has been previously used and has an existing license
Previous images were restored to prevent copyright violations on any article images - required to keep this article as featured content. Postoak (talk) 13:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I cannot be certain, several of the photos in question looked vaguely familiar as having been used in Greater Houston Convention and Visitor Bureau publications.  It is possible that I could be mistaken, but always best to be on the safe side. --Nsaum75 (talk) 04:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Images, June 30

message: Hi, I noticed that we have no pictures of just the "Heritage Plaza" on the article. I took a couple photos of it a few months back and decided to upload them to Wikipedia. I was hoping that "one" of the pictures, which ever is deemed the suitable for the article, would be included under the "architecture" section. I just checked and we do have a Heritage Plaza article, and a good quality image also, but I personally would just like a reference to the building and the style of architecture that influenced added to the page as it's a real focal point to the Houston skyline. 
First three photos are mine, the last one is from the Heritage Plaza article. Taruru (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Heritage Plaza

message: Some editors have proposed merging the Galveston Bay Area article with the Greater Houston article. If you with to share your thoughts please comment there.
--Mcorazao (talk) 19:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal: "Galveston Bay Area" and "Greater Houston"