Talk:Gomes Eanes de Zurara

message: The sources in said section seem unreliable. One is sourced from "Reynolds, Jason, and Ibram X. Kendi. Stamped: Racism, Antiracism, and You. Little, Brown and Company, 2020", a non-fiction book by author Ibram Kendi. Ibram Kendi is not an authority on the history of Portuguese colonization, making it an unreliable tertiary source.
Another is sourced from "Rosenberg, Matt. “Prince Henry the Navigator: The Man Who Led Portuguese Exploration.” ThoughtCo, 15 Jan. 2019, <www.thoughtco.com/prince-henry-the-navigator-1435024.>", an Internet article, another tertiary source.
The third source is from "Azurara, Gomes Eannes de. “The Chronicle of the Discovery and Conquest of Guinea.” Internet Archives, 31 Dec. 2014, <archive.org/details/chronicleofdisco02zura/page/n9/mode/2up.> ". While it may be a primary source, it lacks a corroborating reference to another secondary source that synthesizes it, and it seems to not really explicitly verify all the other stuff written in this section. 
The final sources are from the National Park Service and the Southern Poverty Law Center. The National Park Service and the Southern Poverty Law Center are not reliable sources and authorities on the medieval history of Portugal and the history of Portuguese colonization.
Considering a lot of the suspect content in the section, such as its anachronistic views on scientific racism (which was really only an extant phenomenon by the 19th century) and its poor writing such as a lot of weasel words, the reliability of the said "sources" are even further suspect.
The section desperately needs a rewrite and attention from experts and inclusion of more reliable sources such as peer-reviewed sources and verifiable synthesis of primary sources. Or it might be better if said section is to be deleted, as the section title is obviously only copied from the first header in the section "Chronicles" below, meaning that it does not really add much to the overall flow of the article. The user who edited it seems unwilling to engage with the source material anyway.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4450:81C8:3E00:156C:C885:DB:91D4 (talk) 15:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources in Section "Chronicles of Discovery and Conquest of Guinea" 

message: While Ibram X. Kendi is indeed an accomplished professor, he and his books are not authoritative sources on the history of Portuguese colonialism due to differences in expertise. Any weasel or blanket attributions such as "Zurara's work is the oldest recorded example of anti-black racist ideas" or "Zurara has come to be known as the original racist" would require references to more rigorous authoritative secondary sources (peer-reviewed) with synthesis of primary sources to be verified, rather than simply quoting a political commentary book.
Please do not reference Ibram Kendi again.  Neko Cherise Sapphire Star (talk) 16:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ibram Kendi and his books are not authoritative sources on the topic 

message: I have heard him described as the father of racism through his description of Africans as beasts suitable for capturing and subjugating. 2601:243:4:E90A:A8E6:2F7B:9BBB:1DED (talk) 07:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, see The Lie That Invented Racism at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZDtqWX6Fk and the podcast Seeing Whiteness of the Center for Documentary Studies. --Espoo (talk) 06:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he is not a controversial figure. American author Ibram X. Kendi randomly plucked him out of history as the "inventor" of race, which is nonsensical and fallacious. If you look through the edits on this article, you'll see editors persistently try to include Kendi as a source for this, all of which get reverted due to Kendi's claims being unreliable and unsupported. The idea here is to pinpoint the concept of race to a specific person or time so as to facilitate present-day racist attitudes against white people. Any rigorous study of the history and development of racial concepts shows that they developed over time, commencing sharply around the end of the Middle Ages due to Western Europe's advances in technology and capabilities relative to Africans, Asians, and others. 2600:1700:428:2E00:FDB1:BE90:FFBD:388A (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Gomes de Zurara a controversial figure?