Talk:Multiracial people/Archive 1

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GO HALFBREEDS!!! YEAH!
"White" being a race is mostly used in USA. We should not generalised this term and apply it internationally. You are Irish, English, French, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, South africans.. and not White, Asian, Black... how do you justify the word "asian" to describe someone from asia anyway.. An Indian will look very different from a Chinese..and yet you just call them asians.. This way of classifying people is an American way of doing things and its degrading.  I feel that it should not be taken as a norm of the whole international community.
:(Racist remark removed)
::Wikipedia:No personal attacks.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire concept of race is subject to considerable debate and interpretation. The "Race" article covers this at length. I would strongly suggest reading it before making any generalizations about Americans or the "international community."Exia 07:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The US only conducts censuses ervery ten years. There was no 2002 census. The 2002 is an estimate based on a long complicated methodology liniked at the bottom of the page. The 2000 was the official census numbers. My guess without reading all the methodology is that they are discounting mixed-race responses like Scottish and English or Swedish and Norwegian. But that's just my guess.Rmhermen 15:05, Oct 24, 2003 (UTC)
I read some of the methodology. Looks like "White" and some-sort-of-hispanic was the main combination that got removed from "mixed-race". I've written it into the article. Andy G 22:48, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

message: The section of this article pasted below undermines the credibility of the entire article. Some of the language in this section has racist overtones, "unfortunately...identified himself as black." This section does not add any information to the article.
Mixed race
Probably the most famous mixed race person was Bob Marley. He had a white English father and black Jamaican mother, though unfortunately he was brought up by his single mother and so identified himself as black.
Mixed race relationships were illegal in many places in the past, and are still frowned on in much of the world.
This piece was added to multiracial because the mixed race link was redirected to multiracial before. I have now transferred the piece to the new mixed race wiki. This piece may be irrelevant, maybe not, but it does not have rascist overtones. It is Bob Marley's identification as black that has rascist overtones (I am a fan).  I consider your comment blatantly rascist, something I oppose--Scuiqui fox 01:31, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed Race 

message: Mixed race describes the marriage of 2 people of different races, or the children who are the product of a mixed race relationship.
Mixed race
Probably the most famous mixed race person was Bob Marley. He had a white English father and black Jamaican mother, though he was brought up by his single mother and so identified himself as black.
Mixed race relationships were illegal in many places in the past.
Bogdan | Talk 18:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: from [[Mixed race]]

message: "Mixed" can be offensive, and other terms also need to be addressed, "multiracial" seems ok, as does "cross-racial" as scientifically proven that genetics of the parents don't 'mix,' your teeth and bone size come from one parent and your head facial hair color genes come from another, especially for males who have xy for genese instead of xx which do seem to mix with varying results.
my example:
My dad has jet black hair and my mother has brown auburn hair, I inherited her hair and my fathers ability to withstand the sun and pigment to the color brown (even though the skin I have w/o a tan makes me look very tan-caucasion), although my facial hair does seem to be activated by my y gene and is black with spots of blonde and red, 
I wanted to mention some things that seem half-thought out.
thank you.
jackalope 22:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not to be too complicated 

message: 'Mulatto' was described as a person with a white and parent.  This isn't necessarily true.  Mulatto is used to describe a person with two mulatto parents as well.  So, the previous definition was too narrow.  I also added that it was used in the U.S. specifically during the colonial period because it was, and presently it's quite offensive and not as commonly used.  In addition, it is used in many Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries. Ericsf 01:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that children of mulattos have also generally been considered mulatto. The term has been used in at least two senses: either to focus on 1. the parents belonging respectively to the "white" and "black" races (although the black parent in the U.S. often blends white and/or Amerindian genes, but is socially and legally "black"), or 2. any person whose known ancestry or "look" indicates an approximately equal contribution of black and white genes, regardless of the precise genetic admixture. But I disagree that mulatto is an offensive word: Like "Negro" it is a pre-Black Liberation term. I recall well that as a result of that movement, terms such as "bright-skinned", "high yellow", "red bone", "pass the paper bag test" etc. declined in use. Until then they were frequently employed to differentiate appearance among Negroes. Because of their connotations, the black power movement deprecated them as reflections of internalized self hatred among Negroes: the criticism was not that they were terms of abuse, but that they were too frequently regarded as compliments, people of lighter-than-average complexion and so-called "good hair" being considered inherently more attractive than Negroes of more Sub-Saharan ancestry! Otherwise mulatto was and has always been a neutral, descriptive term. It is an arguably outdated word, but not offensive except to the hyper-sensitive (or, perhaps, to post-Baby Boomers?), and then it is the attention that is being drawn to the admixture rather than the term that is usually the problem. "Biracial" is no substitute for "mulatto", since the latter is but one subset of the former. Lethiere 02:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mulatto 

message: "Not surprisingly, Canada with a Black population of 2%, and a White population of 88%, mixed race relationships with Blacks and Whites are becoming increasingly common." This is terrible English, and nearly incomprehensible. I can't fix it, as I can't work out what's meant. 81.159.58.196 04:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: The 2000 US census  recorded 6.8 million mixed-race people. But population estimates for 2002  reduce this figure to 4.2 million.
:(this is due to mexicans being allowed to register as whites, and blacks to register as non-hispanic) --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.242.201.243 (talk • contribs) 
This section was in the article for a while, maybe it should be reworded and put back in (if these numbers are important) but as it is it makes it sound like some great mystery. --Tifego 07:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Two million mixed-race Americans vanish? (moved from article)

message: how do we decide what to do with them? Colorfulharp233 20:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: about the pictures...

message: If a person is born to a mother that's 75% Chinese, 25% Portugese, what does that make the kid? 15%? or 10%? I ask because my mom's 75% Chinese, 25% Portugese and I was never really sure if I was 15% Portugese or just 10%. Why sigh, cutie pie? 07:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If your father is neither of those two, you're 37.5% Chinese and 12.5% Portuguese, plus half of whatever your father was. —Nightstallion (?) 12:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, my dad's 100% Chinese. My mom is 75% Chinese, 25% Portugese. But it's complicated, because my great-grandpa (on my mom's side) was 50% Chinese, 50% Portugese. But he married a Chinese woman (different dialect), and that makes my grandpa (my mom's dad) 33% Teochew, 33% Mandarin, and 33% Portugese, and his kids (my mom was the youngest of them) 25% Portugese, right? So does this make me 15%, or 10%? Why sigh, cutie pie? 20:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: okay, your grandfather was 25% Portugese, and 75% chinese. and that makes your mom 12.5% Portugese, and 87.5% chinese, and you are 6.25% Portugese, and 93.75% chinese. and plus, if your mom was one-quarter Portugese, you wouldn't be ten or fifteen. you'd be 12.5%. Colorfulharp233 23:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what is that? Like, one-eighth? Why sigh, cutie pie? 20:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yep. Colorfulharp233 21:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uh

message: The term, Multiethnic is another way to describe the word multiracial correct.  So, should this be added to the beginning of the article?--Stardust6000 21:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiethnic 

message: There's some question over it in the bible which I think we should include, namely regarding the offspring of a white and negro relationship, under The Curse of Ham and saying God won't allow people to 'mix their seed' with blacks, what do others think?
It may not be true, a matter of opinion, but many believe it and it's the root cause of much of the hatred and prejudice mixeds endure. 
82.27.251.153 19:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical Implications 

message: "Race and racial mixture played a significant role in the politics of many Latin American countries. In some countries, notably Cuba and Brazil, a majority of the population can be described as multiracial."
This affirmation is false!
See this pages: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cuba
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Brazil
*The majority of population in this nations are white, not multiracial.
--201.19.208.227 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "black man," just as there is no "white, yellow, red, pink, or brown man." Funny thing, I have relatives/ancestors with those or close as surnames, and it originated as that, descriptions. They were not set in stone races, no matter what the various racial fascists want it to be. The Moors were in Portugal, the Negro never saw even the shoreline until the Portuguese colonisation penetrated below the Sahara in relatively recent times. It has been for years the tool of the Anglo-Saxon/Ashkhenazim to equate anyone not them as Negro in order to discriminate against those people. JBDay 20:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuba and Brazil?

message: Firsh and foremest, I'm not sure if I spelled it right.  Anyways, I read into the "mullato" thing, and it got me wandering.  If a child with two mulatto(European and African) parents is Mulatto.  What about a person with two Mestizo(European &  AmerIndian)parents?  I happened ti be in this case, though I don't look like a stereotypical Mestizo.  I have Blue eyes, light brown hair, and my flesh, while dark, is not a typical color of an Indian.  I was just wandering, am I mestizo, Indian or White?  I mean, I know I'm all three.  Just because you're part of two races, doesn't mean you are part of a different race from either of them.
::It's more a descriptive catagory, not an etched in stone law. Yes, you are all three, and don't you forget it! I know a few people of your description who are of Mexican-Bavarian origin, mainly from Texas. Your description brings to mind the Moorfish, dark with blue eyes, mainly Mexican.JBDay 20:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mestizo 

message: It's not right that "in Brazil, If you are not quite black, then you are white.". So, I removed that from the article. --ClaudioMB 07:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural differences 

message: Then I will specifically point out the parts of this article I object to and think should be removed. The opening paragraph under "who is multiracial" makes an argument based on one particular source (Michael Levin) who clearly has his own agenda and does not reflect mainstream scientific or even sociological opinions. He might be cited as a minority opinion somewhere, but as presented here it's made to look as if his opinions reflected the mainstream consensus.  This is not the case  - it promotes an agenda, and this is not appropriate for Wikipedia.
I also object to the "Beyond Admixture" section in its entirety. I don't think this is relevant to the article - Ethiopians are not considered "mixed race" on the sociological basis that is the main thrust of this article, which is and should be more limited in scope.  Moreover, as you in fact point out, most "ethnic" groups have sources elsewhere - e.g. the Celts originate in Spain, and a large subgroup of the British population has Middle Eastern y-chromosome DNA.  This is a separate topic which, while perhaps appropriate for a separate article (e.g. scientific studies into origins of given populations - or even an own article on Ethiopian origins), I strongly feel does not belong in an article on "multiracial" people.  (The Oxford study, which I am aware of, could also be mentioned instead in the article on Ethiopa or one of the articles about its many ethnic groups.)
And I agree with the person above who questions the use of www.isteve.com as a reputable source.  If you remove the sentence which relies on this source (referring to Caucasoid and Negroid peoples, etc.), and the following unsourced assertions, this paragraph ceases to make sense, making the whole section untenable.
I think "Beyond Admixture" should be removed, and the section about Michael Levin removed or completely rewritten.  I would appreciate someone else's input on this.  If a third party doesn't have a sound reason these sections should remain, I will go ahead and edit them.
Richard Tapestry 08:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean to, but I've been preparing to move country, so I've been quite busy lately. (I thought I had more downtime before things got crazed...)  You could do it, or if not I'll get to it as soon as I can.  Richard Tapestry 08:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I deleted the "Beyond," but haven't gotten to the part on Levin yet. Is there evre going to be a consensus on things such as this: Not in my lifetime...and Allah/Jahweh/God cried... JBDay 22:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable or irrelevant parts of this article