Talk:Princess Zelda/Archive 1

message: This User has reduced this paragraph. I myself think too much information has been cut, but what do others think? Master Thief Garrett 23:51, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:166.109.0.214|166.109.0.214]]'s recent changes

message: I don't remember any canon sources saying Zelda's last name is Hyrule, though this is a common royal naming procedure. One of Hyrule's king's last names was Hyrule, however. The bit about OoT's Zelda functioning during a 'reconstruction' period is similarly implied, but not supported. I believe there was nothing to reconstruct as time was rewound, but there are many theories. What's with the 'the real Zelda' section? It should be added with the OoT section. -Unknown
:Agreed. I believe one manual (LOZ? Z2?) uses that surname, but it's not in any of the games' ingame texts, and we all know how crappily-translated the manuals were! -Unknown
::I don't think she has a last name; it's not uncommon for royalty to known only by one name. If she did have a full name, it would probably be something like "Zelda of Hyrule" but that's just speculation. Gazuga
I emailed her (yes, you can do that) and asked her what her last name was and she emailed me back and said it was hyrule and then signed the letter "From, Zelda Hyrule" so I think that's her full name.
Her complete names is Zelda Daphnes Nonsaden Hyrule. It was discovered because of the complete name of Hyrule's king. You can see it on Wind Waker characters on wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.193.127.4 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 15 July 2006.
:Just because there was a member of the Hylian royal family with the name Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule, does not mean that Zelda shares it. Yes, King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule III was a descendent of the same royal blood line as Zelda, and, yes again, Tetra was descended from the same royal bloodline. However this does not prove anything about the names. In the real world, the royal line that Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom has descended from has changed its nominal surname many times over the generations (Windsor, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Hanover, Stuart, etc.). Unless you can find a source at Nintendo to confirm that the line has shared the same name throughout its history, any name we do include in the article would be just a guess. Road Wizard 21:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to point out that the case of the British Royal Family isn't quite that simple: the various branches of the family, formed by the intermarrying between the European royal families in earlier years, had different names. For example, the last of the Tudors, Elizabeth I, had no heir, and the son of Mary Stuart became King James I. After the last of the Stuarts, Queen Anne, died, her second-cousin George of Hanover became King, followed by his line through to Queen Victoria, who married Prince Albert, which changed the family name to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. (It later turned out that Prince Albert's actual family name was Wettin, but I only just discovered this myself:-).) Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Wettin were both changed in 1917 due to the unpatriotic suggestions of a German surname, due to the Great War. Thus it should now be obvious just how complicated royal succession is... Setokaiba✌≝ 22:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but if you check out List of monarchs in the British Isles, you will notice that each monarch in Elizabeth's line is either a child, grandchild or great-grandchild of a previous monarch (back to at least the Tudors and the House of Bruce anyway). As all we seem to know about the Zelda bloodline is that OOT Zelda, Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule and Tetra are descended from the same family (directly or indirectly), there is nothing to have stopped any of them from changing their family name. That is, of course assuming they had a family name, as commented on by Gazuga above. Road Wizard 22:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zelda's family name and other comments

message: Instead of writing "Main article: (Zelda game here)" for every game under "Incarnations of Zelda," why don't the headings just link to the game itself? I think that would be much more prudent. Also, I was thinking about working in the fact that Tetra's name doesn't mean three, but four. (It's a common misconception in Zelda fandom that her name is a reference to the triforce.) Does anyone else think that's worthy of inclusion? Guermantes 22:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a style thing. It would look kind of ugly, and it wouldn't be in line with standard format on Wikipedia. As for Tetra, I don't think that's necessary to mention. And maybe her name does refer indirectly to the Triforce. If you fill in the center and fold along the lines where it was, you can make a tetrahedron, a four-sided regular polyhedron in which each side is an equilateral triangle. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 05:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The space in the middle of the Triforce is sometimes interpreted as a missing piece. That piece, if you subscribe to it, is called the Tetraforce. Adam Marx Squared 10:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's neither Zelda-canonical nor real world-factual, though. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 07:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is true, but I thought I'd mention it. But what do you mean by 'real world-factual?' As in the Tetraforce doesn't exist in the real world? O_o XD Seriously, though. Adam Marx Squared 22:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting suggestion, Interesting tidbit

message: Now that I've made an article for this, I'd like to discuss it more indepth regarding Zelda. So far there is only a brief mention in the cartoon series. However, with fighting as Sheik, blasting Ganon with light, Tetra, SSB:Melee, and her wielding a sword in the new game, I think a section exploring Zelda's evolving role as a warrior could be better explored. Who would like to help? Tyciol 05:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Warrior princess]]

message: To be honest, I can't recall myself, but it's being challenged? Who is on the side of Pink and Blue? Please vote for me. If no one speaks up, I'm saved right before Ganondorf, so I can beat his first form to find out if you like. Tyciol 21:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked on TSA's 4:57 movie that I downloaded, and it is pink on the NTSC version, at least. Setokaiba✌≝ 23:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I’ll change it. BTW, did you see my message on your talk page? SNIyer12 is back... -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue/pink disputed crystal colour?

message: In the section of the article that discusses Zelda's relationships with other characters, it states that Eiji Aonuma was the director of Ocarina of Time.  However, Ocarina of Time was directed by Shigeru Miyamoto, and Eiji Aonuma is not to be found in the staff credits of Oot.  If evidence is needed, we have access to a text dump of the credits of Ocarina of Time.  If nobody objects, I would like to make this correction in the article.  Evan Manning 00:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Director of Ocarina of Time

message: Two of the pictures are gone and now display error messages stating that there is a problem creating the thumbnail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.174.254 (talk • contribs) 21:41, April 19 2006
:Good idea! Tyciol 13:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures need to be fixed

message: While having the Logo of the super show cartoon is great, I'd like to post a picture of Zelda from the show, since it does deviate a great deal from her normal appearance. Would obtaining a pic off google be acceptable, or are there restrictions? Tyciol 13:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding a picture for the Cartoon series

message: Why the revert my addition to the article. I hardly see any problems from the addition made, it simply clarifies a female characteristic that Zelda clearly 'loses' when she changes form. Quite frankly, im suprised about the way the whole paragrapgh dances around the issue without ever simply stting the 'gender identity' issues stright. (Davinche 08:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, they can’t be set straight, the whole point of the paragraph is that they’re ambiguous, we don’t know the true nature of the change. As for the addition, I can’t be sure why it was removed the first time, but I just removed it again because the phrasing, spacing, and spelling all sucked. Hard. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, that may have been a bit harsh, don’t mean to be biting newbies. But if you want your contributions to Wikipedia to be included in the articles, they should be good prose,  with proper spelling and punctuation. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 11:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shieks 'Build' 

message: Is Sheik ever shown with pierced ears? I noticed the disagreement between the gender of Sheik in the article, and I read somewhere else that males have their ears piereced in a ceremony, so we should be able to tell what Zelda is posing as. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL good thought, but A) Sheik’s ears are always concealed by turban, hair, and high collar, B) without a source, that ceremony thing is probably fan-fiction, and C) females, including Zelda herself, are known to wear earrings. Look at the picture at the top of the article. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 22:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in the Sheikahs bit of one of the character dumps. I was just wondering because I didn't think Zelda's accessories would remain if she changed form. Of course female Sheikahs could do it too. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Says the manga, a secondary source at least. Setokaiba✌≝ 09:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheik ears 

message: The wording of the Sheik portion of the article is written in such a way as to imply that Sheik may not be Zelda (it was worse before my recent cleanup). This is just silly. Not only does Zelda herself admit to being disguised as a Sheikah right after Sheik vanishes, not only does Sheik have the glowing mark of the Triforce on "his" hand (which only people with a portion of the Triforce, like Zelda, have), but we actually see the characters swap back and forth in Super Smash Bros. Melee. What gives? --HeroicJay 21:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I removed the weasel words and vagueness. --HeroicJay 21:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It appeared to be a renegade. Basically, he took Vorteus's explanation and filled the section with weasel words in order to give the illusion of NPOV. However, while Zelda does not explicitly say that she's Sheik in OoT, we see Sheik transform into Zelda! The only real explanation would be Sheik jumping out of the way and never appearing again, or something like that, and Zelda just telling some weird story about disguising herself as a Sheikah for no real reason... and this seriously violates Occam's Razor. Then add in Super Smash Bros.: it's not Zelda canon, true, but do you really think Nintendo would have let Hal get away with making Sheik and Zelda the same character if they weren't meant to be the same character? --HeroicJay 17:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Super Smash Bros is made by HAL Laboratories under the strict supervision of NCL, in particular Shigeru Miymaoto.  Just like the CAPCOM games were strictly supervised by Nintendo (Nintendo did all the text work for Four Swords and The Minish Cap), the information in Super Smash. Bros. Melee is accurate, factual, and relevant to The Legend of Zelda series.  It is not a "primary" game in the series, it is merely a derivative work, but it's information is still canon.  Also pointed out, Zelda transforms on screen from Sheik into Princess Zelda.  Also, you guys are not very good detectives.  In the beginning of the Adult Link segment, Sheik says that she is "Survivor of the Sheikahs.." (Ocarina of Time 1998), and then later on Princess Zelda says she passed herself off as a Sheikah.  We know that Impa is a Sheikah, though, but througout the game, everyone refers to them as "legendary" race, or extinct.  In fact, the only mention of a living Sheikah is people in Hyrule Caste Market Town referring to a woman in the castle, or when Impa and Zelda ride away on the white horse.  The game gives much evidence that not only are the Sheikah probably extinct, but that Impa is the last of her kind.  So it makes sense that Sheik, who says she is the last surviving member of her kind (in addition to Impa, whom she was protecting - See Kakariko Burning Cutscene - Ocarina of Time - 1998), is Zelda, who says she passed herself off as a Sheikah.  I mean, who else is Zelda?  Another Sheikah who magically never appeared in the game?  I think the only real mystery left here is Sheik's sex, which people argue both ways, and which Shigeru Miyamoto refused to answer at E3 2006 when he was asked about it. --TSA 18:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheik is but isn't Zelda?