Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law Enforcement/Archive 2

message: Hey guys,
Can someone who knows their image copyrightness let me know if the image of all the peices of uniform in this news article can be used for wikipedia? I want to add it to Dubai police and im not too good at knowing whats allowed and what isn't. 
If you cant tell me, could you show me where to ask? Is there an image submission thing where you can submit a link to ask whether an image is allowed on wikipedia?
cheers, and heres the link again:
http://archive.gulfnews.com/supplements/dubai_police/more_stories/10043780.html 
SGGH 13:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, got them. SGGH 14:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubai police image 

message: I am going to be making a shortcut for the first page in this project, (eg. the box on the right )
just to make is easier
Regards
Dep. Garcia (Talk) (Help Desk) 18:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooo SGGH 20:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortcuts 

message: If and when people think we'll need a bot to start archiving talk pages or the peer review page, let me know here. Just creating this now while I think about it SGGH 23:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I did it in the endSGGH 17:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: You can now add 'article-watch=yes' to our banner to highlight than an article is being watched due to vandalism, poor wikiqueete or an edit war, just remember to add it to this list too! SGGH 10:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article watch 

message: I have moved the article at Police Museum to Hong Kong Police Museum so as to make a disambig page of the earlier title. I found nearly a dozen police museum articles existing on the Wikipedia, I had no idea. Some of them are quite good. I have tagged all (I found) with the LE project tag. Chris 01:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now added several law enforcement memorials throughout the world. Would there be support for a :Category:Law enforcement museums and memorials? Chris 03:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Police Museum

message: I created an infobox for police departments. It can be found here: Template:InfoboxPolice. I would appreciate some editorial review to make it better. Thanks --Daysleeper47 18:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great! Perhaps if you added a "area covered" or "population covered" part as well? Just a thought SGGH 13:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Awesome, nice work. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 21:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, didn't read this until after I created this template: Template:Infobox LE Organization.  It is done in the same spirit.  I took the liberty of filling in some of the information as an example of what it can look like.  I am going to add it below to the template that was proposed and is being discussed.  I look forward to comments.  Thankscprockhill 19:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: My article John Gibson (police officer) has been nominated for deletion. Detective Gibson was one of two police officers killed when a gunman stormed the United States Capitol in 1998. I encourage everyone to visit that article's nomination page here and extend your support for a KEEP! Thanks, Daysleeper47 14:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Gibson (police officer)]] 

message: I've just realised we are the wipple project.... SGGH 20:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WPP:LE]] 

message: <S>Well, for one reason or another, our symbol has been deleted. If Patchbook was correct, then I extend our apologies however he did not go about things the correct way anyway.

An admin has speedily deleted the image temporaily while the rule is checked, to avoid possibly legal snaffus. Even if it turns out to be legal, we might as well create a new one anyway, that one was only meant to be temporary. Anyone feel like making one? SGGH 22:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is ridiculous, where is the relevant talk page or admin that deleted it? →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 22:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I found the log of the delete, and left a note on that administrators page, here. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 23:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We appear to have image back! Though a new logo could still be on the cards if any user wants to try it? SGGH 00:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the image was okay'd here. SGGH 01:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image deletion

message: Please visit Donnie Young (police officer) to offer suggestions on a rename of the article. --Ginkgo100 talk 22:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the fact that he received the medal of honour means that he is more notable than the killer,so I think Raúl García-Gómez is out for the name. However, seeing as much of this article refers to the event rather than the person, I would suggest moving to "Denver Mother's Day Shooting (2005)" with Donnie Young (police officer) and Raúl García-Gómez redirecting to it. SGGH 23:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An informal request for comment 

message: Proposals for a new project logo go here, SGGH 13:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the surprising event that patchbook is right, a request can be placed to Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve to make a free and/or generic image, we did this at the Scouting WikiProject, and they did quite a nice job. We had the same copyright issue problem as earlier the World Crest was used, and it is not representative of all Scout organizations. I would propose keeping the shield image that is used now, maybe having them clear out the wording, or perhaps inserting a bright blue five or six-point star in the center, to make it generic and yet representative, so that there is never a question of propriety. They will make a free-use, crisper and easier to scale image, and they do great work. Just a thought. Chris 03:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe something like this (crude, I know, but...) . Plus this would have the benefit of being inclusive of nonEnglish-speaking forces that have articles... Chris 03:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks great! That's definitly a contender. One thought perhaps: If you made it black and white (well... silver and black) and placed the wikipedia puzzle peice globe in the centre instead of the star? So it looks like a silver wikipedia badge of some ::sort, if you see what I mean? I would do it myself if I could work out photoshop. SGGH 15:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like that but silver. SGGH 15:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Voila?  Chris 18:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, if we really wanted to make sure we weren't using a copyrighted logo, . LOL, sorry, couldn't resist, hope you laughed. :) Chris 18:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Like this?  Chris 22:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, Love this one (Image:PoliceWikiglobepanda.jpg) Dep. Garcia  ( Talk | Help Desk | Complaints )  09:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Is homage violation of copyright?  Chris 22:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Those are awesome Chris! →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 23:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Dragnet, sorry. :) Chris 23:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think an hommage is a great idea but, no offense, I think we could come up with something better than a T.V. show.  Maybe 9/11 or the N.L.E.O.M.??EMT1871 23:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the Wikipedia logo, ironically (hypocritically?), is fully copyrighted. Otherwise, I think it looks great! Bobanny 23:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol is it? That's a drag, what about the symbol for the golden wikipedia awards? That mounted golden puzzle peice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SGGH (talk • contribs) 00:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm getting myself out of my limited artistic league, but what if we were to put in a request to the Wikiartroom to have an image of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial made to look like it is stamped into the badge, like the LAPD badge? No offense taken to any ideas, I've just been spitballing and having fun with these. I created the original free image for the Scouting WikiProject, a variant of which is still used. Just like to play around with ideas. Sure you don't want the donut? :) Chris 00:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  here's another corny one, playing with photoshop and some images I already had. I'd be fine hitting up the wiki-art dept, though (never knew there was one!)Bobanny 01:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: how's this? Bobanny 01:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Why would you wear a WikiProject image? →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 02:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks great, really good on the banners and such. Hope you don't mind i edited it slightly to put the background colour in the gaps inside the letter O :)SGGH 15:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The new image looks great, it really reflects the topic of the project: law enforcement. Dep. Garcia  ( Talk | Help Desk | Complaints )  15:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new image looks great, and is completely original work.  I'm glad Bobanny could work in your considerations. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 22:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: With all due respect Patchbook, you're not even a member of this project. Furthermore, the image does not infer that we are the law enforcement of wikipedia, as even inexperienced wikiusers know that wikipedia is regulated by admins and no one else. The term "wikiproject" and the definition at the top of the project's main page state this. Plus, considering a good number of the users here are police officers, I think the real nature of policing is not lost on us. SGGH 23:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I appreciate that some of the members here are in law enforcement, but the vast majority of Wikipedia users are not. They surf the web and find references in their browser to Wikipedia. Coming across an article, they likely do not reference the disclaimer at the bottom of the page and take the article at face value. A person not familiar with wikiproject-law enforcement would see the logo and make logical but inaccurate connections. This would not be a positive service to Wikipedia users in my opinion.Patchbook 23:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a valid point, Patchbook, but it doesn't apply to this context. The logo neither represents members of the project nor police professionals. It should somehow symbolize the articles covered by the project. Yes, it's a popular culture police image (an image created by police by the way), and does not reflect what police do for the most part. 'Law enforcement' isn't even the majority of what police do, and that's the name of the project! The point is that it's an easily recognizable symbol of the subject covered by this project, a little corny and cliche maybe, but that's what makes it recognizable. It's not the only possible image, and if something better comes along, we can easily change it. "WikiProject" also isn't the same as "Wikipedia," and any confusion in that regard could quickly be cleared up the same as with someone who thinks WikiProject United States is a government website. Bobanny 00:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the hard work that goes into emblem development and commend Bobanny on his contribution of the new logo for the Wikiproject.Patchbook 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: "wikiproject" is on the logo. SGGH 20:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good then, so it is.Jeff503 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Five years with no distractions, less with good behaviour - could write a lot of Wikipedia articles! Bobanny 10:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New image proposals