Talk:Glassjaw

message: I want to point out to you guys that this article appears to reflect a bias in favor of the band. I've found other articles on underground or indie bands that do the same thing. Even when I know the band and they are as great and exciting as the piece makes them out, it's annoying, it's not the kind of writing that should be allowed to stand as a reference. Beginning with the phrase like "legendary producer Ross Robinson," this Glassjaw thing reads like a press release. Someone who cares should go through other indie bands' articles to make sure they arent just puff pieces. There are a lot that just go through listing all of the band's recent EPs in a way clearly designed more as an advertisement than pure information.
* I agree with you but I might wait for another opinion before changing the text. Pedro.Moreira 01:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I think they should not be there because there's no reason for it other than pure marketing. The guy editing those links is the owner of that site (I'm the owner of one of the others). It might be useful to write some info about those demos even though they are old demos and nothing really new besides some rough tracks. He also changed the article about Head Automatica the same way.
Pedro.Moreira 13:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demos Link 

message: I see no bias. Legendary is correct, considering he is largely responsible for most of the nu-metal movement, which definately changed the course of music (good or bad depending on your point of view) which eventually would lead to the death of testosterone charged radio rock.
The reason I found this article on wikipedia was because nobody else (all music or amazon) didn't even list the El Mark Ep as a release, so i'm glad there is such detail given to such things.
* As I said before, I don't agree with you. About the El Mark EP, this is a tricky one. The EP was only sold on iTunes and Yahoo Music and has only one new song in it since the other two where already released on other singles. So, for me, it shouldn't be on their discography (but there should be a note on their history about it). Anyway, please sign your posts. Pedro.Moreira 16:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: several bands discographies include digital only release as they are becoming more common.68.255.172.238 00:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: I noticed that the artist infobox says 199?-present. Is it really accurate to say that they're still a band? Seegoon 19:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Present? 

message: ___ CORRECTION TO BAND HISTORY :
Sons of Abraham did not exist in 1993 and XbustedX was a theoretical band that may have playe donce or twice, but i believe was more likely like a fantasy band where one guy from this band would hopefulyy get together with thi sone and that one and theyd call it XbustedX... Long Island was full of all these non-sense crisscross bands that never happened but were fun to assemble in theory...
Beck assembled Sons of Abraham in 1997 with Kneel Rubenstein , a staple front man in Long island, screamo, hardcore, whatever... He then recruited Todd to play co-guitar in Sons because he wanted as many Jews in the band kicking ass as possible... THEN, Beck brought Todd into Glassjaw... I believe ETYEWTKAS is Todds first recording with the band, but it may have also been on the demos that Don Fury (producer of Quicksand, CIV) did for the band with the intention of shopping them and signing them... Anyway, it is not like Todd just came on board to record Evereything...About Silence. He had been in Glassjaw for a year or two already.
:um.. this stuff about SofA and XbX true? if anyone asserts it's true, can they verify it?68.255.172.238 00:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Band History?

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This is a link to a video from the Glassjaw fan site.  In it Justin Beck mentions his feelings about Roadrunner Records. "Seriously, don't ever support anything from Roadrunner, they suck!"  He is really sarcastic throughout the interview so I am not exactly sure how to react, but if he is serious, I think it would make a good edit to the article.  If someone else could check it out I would be able to sleep easier.  Lincoln Kauffman
:Nah he's serious. When Glassjaw was on tour, Daryl started having breakdowns from his disease and he needed to go home and they wouldn't let him off tour.
::does anyone wnat to comment on the fact that daryl was on the roadrunnner 25th anniversary album?? just wondering why he would agree to that if his feelings are so strong about roadrunner. Ali Hasnain. 3:17 AM, 23 January 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.168.125 (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roadrunner Records hard feelings? 

message: If anyone can find out who did this, you'll complete me. Seegoon 20:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ape Dos Mil" video director 

message: I'm just curious about the bandname being typeset like that in the article, using a lowercase G and capitalised J and A. It seems wrong. On Worship and Tribute, there's no evidence of it being shown like that as far as I can see. And on EYEWTKAS, the J and A are bigger than the rest of the text but it's all in caps. Seegoon 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a lot like the "KoRn" thing. It's so tedious to see approximations of aesthetic decisions worked into the titles of wiki articles. The band's name is Glassjaw, grow up. Chris 18:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  glassJAw? 

message: i have no idea what "Neutral Rock" is but it's definitly nothing to do with glasjaw. glassjaw are most commonly cited as a Post-Hardcore group(look in any Kerrang!,NME,Rocksound whatever magazine you want). Not only that but they are known as a key influence in this genre. There is no debate. Glassjaw are post-hardcore STOP CHANING IT TO NEUTRAL ROCK. Thanks for reading 172.143.242.75 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Rock? 

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message: Seriously, it this a joke? Or am I missing something fundamental about this band? Arkyopterix (talk) 17:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Genre thing is getting stupid. I think we should only include genre's with a citation to a reputable source which has described them as such. Otherwise it's all based on personal opinion. With a quick search I have found this ciation for Post-Hardcore - http://www2.kerrang.com/2007/06/glassjaw_announce_headline_sho.html and these citations for Emo - http://www.nme.com/reviews/glassjaw/6729 http://www.nme.com/news/glassjaw/1406080.195.246.3 (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to my last comment, I have gone ahead and made the changes. The genres are now listed as post-Hardcore and Emo with citations.80.195.246.3 (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Would user 189.24.13.108 like to go ahead and discuss why they have delted my edits, which had proper citations and changed the genres to Hardcore and Afrobeat with no citations? I'm going to revert the changes for now. If you can come up with a refernce for Hardcore I don't really have a problem with that being included. I don't think you will find a reference for Afrobeat though! Please don't delete Post-hardcore and Emo again without giving a reason. Thanks!80.195.246.3 (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you honestly think they're serious when they do that? Seegoon (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Afrobeat?

message: It is not simply that puts the sites of music say about the band,
We must see that the sound of the band is alternative in the albums,
Play hardcore in general.
mrbelial (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mrbelial, one of Wikipedia's core policies is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which notes that this encyclopedia is concerned with "verifiability, not truth". If other users have found valid citations to reliable sources—Kerrang! for "post-hardcore"; NME for "emo"—then you must allow these citations to stand unless you provide valid citations to reliable sources of your own. You cannot remove them simply because you think NME and Kerrang! are wrong. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Thank you for removing the personal attack. Please explain what you think is absurd. Wikipedia's policy about verifiability? The descriptions of Glassjaw's music that these music journals have written? My request that you provide sources to back up your claims? All of the above? --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 00:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Your position is not unreasonable; I wish you would be a little more polite in stating it, though. Wikipedia policy says (WP:SELFPUB) that we can source what the band says as long as it is not overly self-serving or contentious. What has the band said, and is it reliable? Someone in the above discussion said the band was writing ironically when it listed its genres. When I go to their MySpace page today, nothing is listed. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I just checked their MySpace page. It does not say that now. Also, someone in the above discussion noted that the band was writing ironically when it listed its genres. I think we need appropriate sources here, as per WP:Verifiability. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice mrbelial has now created a new wikipedia article for 'Alternative Hardcore' with absolutely no references. This genre does not exist as far as wikipedia should be concerned in that the term has never been used by any reputable sources as far as I am aware. In fact I have never heard the term used by anyone before now. I agree with Paul Erik, appropriate sources are required as to Glassjaw's genre and referenced genres should not be deleted. Ie. 'Post-hardcore' and 'Emo' should be re-instated.80.195.246.3 (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think WP:V is clear about this and I have restored the references here that another editor had found. Mrbelial, if you think what these magazines are writing is "shit", then your dispute is with those magazines. Wikipedia relies on such sources for its information. If you wish to add to the genres, please respect Wikipedia policy and cite sources. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 22:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So I still don't think we've settled this issue. Currently Psychedelic rock is listed as a genre. Glassjaw are not Psychedelic rock, not by any definition of that genre. As has been said before genres should only be included with references. I think we should leave it at Post-hardcore. I did also find references for Emo which was also previously included and I would still argue that Emo should be up there but it is obvious some people have a problem with that. Im going to delete Psychedelic rock and leave only Post-hardcore for now. If anyone else wants to add further genres please find a reference from a reputable source. Otherwise don't include it. Please also leave an edit summary and discuss changes on the talk page. Thanks80.195.246.3 (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you, and I also think that emo should be there, seeing as it was well referenced. Sometimes it seems to me that some people think there are negative connotations to emo that I'm just not understanding. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 01:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for providing a reference for "progressive hardcore". Why have you removed "emo", which was well referenced? --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 22:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Emo?

message: This isn't about what genre they are or aren't, this is about the number of genres being added. Over the last 2+ years, I've noticed editors(mostly anons) adding 6 or 8 genres at a time. Its unnecessary. It should be kept at a maximum of 4. Inhumer (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: There is no source saying they were formed in 1993. Are you absolutely sure? Because that would mean their singer was 14 when the band formed. • GunMetal Angel 21:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Garry Sharpe-Young's New Wave of American Heavy Metal, Glassjaw's first demo was recorded in 1994 (no formation date was given), but a New York Times article from 2003 confirms that the band formed when Palumbo and Beck met at a summer camp in 1993. Palumbo said in the same article that he formed the band when he was 13, and in articles I read while writing Our Color Green (The Singles) (I don't recall which ones), I learned that Glassjaw frequently uses the number 93 in their merchandise representing the year they formed. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year formed 

message: I'm interested to know how many people are here in reference to something other than this band, (of which I had never heard.) I was looking for information about the boxing term. If you are also not interested in this band, please add your voice to this section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.18.167.82 (talk) 11:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation vote 

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