Template talk:Infobox Greece place

message: Hi Greco, some comments on your new infobox for Greek places:
*for a better layout you can get some ideas from Template:Infobox German Location, the new infobox in development for German places.
*population density is calculated automatically in Infobox German Location
*same for metric to imperial units conversions
*I think the text in the left column shouldn't be bold
*skyline picture is a good idea
*I think some items are not necessary in an infobox:
**full name of a municipality (Dimos Athinaion (Δήμος Αθηναίων) in this example) 
**city motto and nickname
**map caption: you get a description if you move the pointer over the map. 
**region
**province: this is a rather vague administrative unit IMO, I've never seen a complete list of provinces. If you think this is necessary, place it under prefecture, as it's a subdivision of prefectures.
**municipality/community: this is only useful if the box is about a place that is part of a municipality or community, e.g. Dimitra, Elis. 
**I'm not so in favour of all the different populations and areas (city proper, urban area, metropolitan area), Which one is the municipality population/area?
**All the population information is on www.statistics.gr, I'm not sure about areas (www.ypes.gr?). You might make that an automatic link. 
Keep up the good work! Markussep 10:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments Markussep. I will try to improve the infobox based on them. El Greco 14:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some points for improvement: I don't think we should show the seconds of the coordinates, because it implies too much precision. For instance for Athens: the present coordinates 37°58'47"N 23°43'46"E point to Evripidou street, but the Parthenon is already at 37°58'18"N 23°43'31"E, and the Larisa train station at 37°59'32"N 23°43'16"E. The elevation figures would fit on one line, like 70-277 m (230-909 ft). Same for time zone and daylight saving time. There's something wrong with the population years, they show up on a new line, left column. Markussep 11:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you mean with the coordinates. See, I thought/assumed that 37°58'47"N 23°43'46"E pointed to the city hall of Athens. I mean, I found those coordinates from gto.gr so I figured they were the center of the city, but I'll just make them show just degree and minute. I fixed the population year. It'll will appear at the top of the Population Statistics Header. I'll work on putting the population figures on one line. Do you think you could help me fix the flag and seal display, cause I can't understand why one won't display with the other? El Greco 19:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: What's the problem with the seal and flag? I see the seal twice, but the same file is given at city_seal and city_flag. BTW do all or most cities in Greece have both a seal and a flag, or are there more that have only a flag or a seal? Markussep 21:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that I can't show one with out the other. Meaning that if I just have a seal, it won't appear without there needing to be image for a flag. It won't show just one if I don't have both. Do you understand what I'm saying now? I added the same seal for both the city_seal and city_flag just so it would show, because as I previously had it, which was just the city seal, it would not show. From what I can gather most (older and maybe newer) Greek cities do have some sort of seal, they might be on their cities websites or might not. What I'm not sure of is whether Greek cities have a flag. I know Athens does, but don't know who else. El Greco 21:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try something like  for towns for which no seal or flag image is available, and leave the whole line out if both are absent, play with #if, and center the seal or flag, if only one is present. If it still doesn't work, let me know, I'll ask the people working on the German infobox. Markussep 22:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you, if it's not too much trouble, ask the people working on the German infobox, to help fix that flag/seal problem? I tried playing around with #if, but it still stayed the same. I tried telling it center align, getting rid of the top border, splitting and making them 2 seperate #if's but nothing worked. I did get the one image to show without the other, but it still wouldn't center. El Greco 17:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've done the trick, it aligns single images (only flag or only seal) in the center. When both are there, it shows up a bit left of center though. Markussep 18:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! It looks much better now. I might try playing with it to see if it can center with both images, if not I'll leave it the way it is. It's not big deal now, especially since it will center one image. Once again, thank you! El Greco 01:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've edited the infobox to make it look like I want it to. If you think I removed too much, let me know. There's one thing I'm not sure about: the difference between the urban area and the metropolitan area. What's the difference between those two, e.g. for Athens, and wouldn't it be better to leave one of them out? Markussep 13:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to let you know, I got rid of the Urban Population Category and decided to keep the city and Metropolitan category instead. I also deleted some excess text, that wasn't really doing anything, and I finally got rid of that spacing that was on the right side of the infobox that made it look awkward. Now all we need to do and figure out why that Location map isn't working properly. El Greco 02:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Currently the  is used in over 400 articles. In order to make the transition towards the new Infobox Greek Dimos as easy as possible, I checked the correspondences between the two templates, wrt used fields:
used in both templates (if the field name is different, the name in Town GR is between brackets):
*name, native_name (name_local), city_seal (img_coa), lat_deg, lat_min, lon_deg, lon_min, periphery (periph), prefecture (prefec), mayor, as_of (population_as_of), city_pop (population), area_city (area), metro_pop (population_metro), area_metro, postal_code, dialing_code (area_code), licence_plate (licence), website 
only used in Infobox Greek Dimos:
*image_skyline, image_skyline_size, caption_skyline, city_flag, districts, party, since, elevation_min, elevation_max
only used in Infobox Town GR:
*flag_reg, image_map, img_coa_legend, province, population_ref, pop_dens, elevation, lat_hem, lon_hem
I see no conflicting fields, and if we copy the field names from the old infobox for the first group, conversion should go pretty easy. A point of attention is the thousands separators (commas) in the population numbers, they have to be removed because they cause errors in the population density calculation. As far as I know, only Athens, Patras and Thessaloniki had seal images in the old infobox, so I'll leave that one as is. Markussep 18:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, name_local is fine, but prefec should just be prefecture and periph --> periphery, I know it might be easier when we start implementing the Infobox, but you might as well just write out the entire field. I also changed licence to license. Removing the commas is the easy part!! El Greco 22:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Licence vs. License is just British vs. American English. You realise that you have to change the field names prefec, periph and licence of all the 400+ old infoboxes? I think it's a lot of useless work, it's invisible for the reader anyway. Unless you can find a bot to do it. Markussep 17:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But aren't you just copying and pasting the infobox fields though? That's what I plan on doing by copying the Athens one used on this page, and filling in the correct fields that correspond to each city. I don't see how that will take longer than just leaving the fields as they already are. Are you just planning on editing each individual field instead of just pasting the new infobox? I see how editing each entire field can be time consuming, but just copying and pasting the infobox seems a lot easier and quicker. And that Licence thing, I knew something was familiar about it, but I couldn't figure out what (it doesn't matter to me now whether or not the spelling is British vs. English now). El Greco 00:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I change the first line of the existing infobox to Infobox Greek Dimos, remove the comma in the population figure(s), and add the new fields. That way I don't have to copy/paste the data. Markussep 14:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I don't like unnecessary extra work, I'll revert it. I'm going to prepare the infobox for launch, and announce it at Wikiproject Greece. Markussep 18:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't feel like doing all that little work, I'll update all the 400 Greek Towns then. I still think it is better to write out the entire fields than abbreviating them. I mean, the old Template is going to be obsolete anyway, so you might as well just start from scratch with the fields. Let's see what the members over at Wikiproject Greece say, and we will go from there. I'm also going to stick a esoteric tag on the discussion page, because the way the fields appear in the nowiki box is really annoying. They start at the top of the page leave a huge gap and end below the model infobox. El Greco 00:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks nice IMO. Congratulations to all of you. I read the discussion above. IMO what is best is what is most functionable and easier in order to update the infoboxes.--Yannismarou 20:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we're ready, time to go live. I made one small change: image_skyline size to 250x200px (if the picture's orientation is "landscape", it's 250px wide, if it's "portrait", it's 200px tall). Markussep 11:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I've noticed, the location makes seems to center to the right, has it's orientation been changed? But everything else looks fine. I've gone ahead and added the infobox to some cities, so you can added to the WP:Greece page Yannismarou. El Greco 15:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion from Infobox Town GR to Infobox Greek Dimos

message: I changed the seal and flag size to 120x120px, that's easier (and IMO better) than with an extra field. If the picture is taller than wide, it's maximum 120px high. Wikid77, I see what you mean with Corinth, but that's a horrible resolution image anyway, better to remove it altogether. Markussep 12:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went 130 by 130 for seal and flag and 200 by 200 for skyline. Before the skyline was so huge. And that Corinth seal should might as well be placed back in the municipality section, I'm sure there is a way to convert .gif to .png or .jpg for better resolution. El Greco 15:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seal and flag widths

message: I'm adding  to the template where the skyline image is to have the caption for the image under it as well as a tooltip when the mouse hovers over it. I'm also making it not display anything if a value is not specified. Revert if there is disagreement. --Kimontalk 14:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{{caption_skyline}}} 

message: In English, we use the comma (,) for denoting thousands (200,000) or in SI, sometimes a space (200 000).  This infobox will take neither, and only allows the period/decimal/whatever it's called in this context (200.000), which is totally inappropriate for the English Wikipedia.  Would someone please correct this?  Thanks. Lexicon (talk) 22:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I see if I put no punctuation, it puts commas in.  Someone had periods in Thessaloniki and it wouldn't take commas or spaces, and I didn't expect it to add commas for me. Lexicon (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thousands punctuation  

message: No offence to anyone but does anyone else find this info box unattractive? especially compared to its German and Italian counterparts. 
It seems outdated somewhat and the map looks terrible. 
Id love to change the map and have it look similar to the German one. --122.49.166.128 01:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one of the better Greece maps available. Also infoboxs don't need to look alike, they each conform to their specific needs. And by the way, this infobox is a lot more attractive than its predecessor. El Greco (talk · contribs) 16:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am willing to create a new map. I dont think the info box looks that bad but it dosn't look terribly attractive either. Id love to make a few changes to its overall appearance some day --Giorgos 05:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: 17-Aug-2007: I have just now added image-size template parameters: an infobox is much more attractive when classic Greek monuments are displayed larger!  Try using "size_skyline = 265px" rather than the default 200px width. A larger dramatic picture can make all the difference, hence: magazine covers. -Wikid77 07:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Larger is better but not too large. 250px is fine. But remember the infobox is not here for the picutre it is here for the information. Hence the name infobox, and not picturebox. El Greco (talk · contribs) 17:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unattractive? 

message: 17-Aug-2007: Similar to other town-infoboxes, I have added the 3 image-size parameters; however, these new size parameters are logically named (what a novel idea): size_skyline, size_flag and size_seal.  I am still working to make sure all template documentation is updated for those 3 new size parameters.  -Wikid77 07:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are just too many fields. There is no need for them. They are already built into the infobox itself. You don't really need a flag or seal being bigger than 130px by 130px. Some cities don't even have them, and making them bigger just distorts the whole infobox. The skyline image was 200ps by 200px but that can be enlarged to no greater than 250px. Anything bigger just takes up the whole infobox. It's there mostly for the information. The pictures are a bonus. El Greco (talk · contribs) 17:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New size parameters 

message: 17-Aug-2007: Some sites have one elevation, so I have added code to omit blank or zero values for template parameter "elevation_max" (with "elevation_min").  The "Sparta" infobox previously had "210-m (689-0ft)" which now is "Elevation: 210 m (689 ft)" [will also omit "(min-max)" when just one elevation].  Thank God, the changed elevation code works (!).  Previously, I had written the year-navigation templates to display years ranging B.C. to A.D. with auto-alignment when "BC" appears on each year.  -Wikid77 07:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've been meaning to do that but had no clue how to write the code. El Greco (talk · contribs) 17:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now elevation_max optional 

message: Sorry but I cannot stand the map! 
Is there any way of getting it changed? I did make and trial one earlier but I guess someone didn't like it. How can we go about changing it?
--Giorgos 02:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's so bad about it? El Greco (talk · contribs) 13:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing I do not like about it is that it looks dated. I believe it is the colour scheme. Perhaps it is personal taste but I am sure we can make a much better looking one. Perhaps if more people discussed it with us we would know other opinions too --Giorgos 09:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, what kind of color scheme would you like? Obviously the water part has to be blue, but Greece and the surrounding countries can have their colors changed. El Greco (talk · contribs) 16:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does it have to be blue (the water)? Most countries do not show the water in any specific colour. Id like for the country to be blue with the surrounding waters as white. We don't even need to show the other countries. This is a map about the location of Greek cities within Greece, not about where Greece has borders and seas. Just my 2 cents. --Giorgos 22:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I've tried to add the seal of the Dimos of Zografou to the article but have had no luck. Can anybody help out?--Damac 17:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image doesn't seem to exist. Did you upload the image, or did you find the link on the Zografou page? El Greco (talk · contribs) 23:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  City seals 

message: The deletion debate for this template closed as 'no consensus', with some suggestions for improvements to , prior to re-nomination and merger. Anyone have any thoughts as to what would be necessary to achieve that? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the only think we can take from this template is some coloring. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of other comments, would you be willing to do that, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging into Infobox Settlement 

message: As a side effect of WP:CHECKWIKI, one of the reports generated a list that consists mainly of infoboxes on Greek settlements in the old format. I copied it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/015, in case you are interested. Data is from March, some may have been converted since. -- User:Docu    04:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll see what I can do. El Greco(talk) 15:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Substituted infobox

message: Further to the above, and these closing admin's comments, I hope to merge this template into . Any thoughts? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Merging is good. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really see the advantage of replacing the Greek infobox with a standard Infobox Settlement, but I'm not strongly against it. About the non-standard infoboxes: unfortunately they're not templates, so it's quite a job to find all these infoboxes. I checked all municipalities, and they all have the standard infobox now. But for villages within municipalities, there might still be hundreds of ugly infoboxes. Markussep Talk 19:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are these other templates being proposed for merger as well: , ,  - three that come off the top of my head? Because otherwise this discussion is pointless. El Greco(talk) 21:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion would not be pointless (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), but yes, in due course, they will be proposed for merging, if compatible. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Totally against this merging. This template fits perfectly in what is known as demos in Greece. It's also absolutely suitable for towns and villages that are not demoi. It's practical and very easy to use; I think that this is the point here, to make it easier for everyone to add an infobox which will be qualitative as well, and a merger with a rather complicated template doesn't serve this purpose. The "national" templates mentioned above are not proposed for merger (something that I would also be against to) and it's pointless to stop the "decentralization process" by merging this one. - Sthenel (talk) 15:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging redux 

message: Hi, I noticed that our two sources of data on the municipalities have disappeared from the internet. Fortunately, I saved the pdf of the 2001 census on my computer. And, the data are also accessible on this government website (either by interactive map, or as excel file). I haven't found a database that has areas. Markussep Talk 14:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update. I'll update the link then. They apparently redid the Interior Ministry's website thus getting rid of the area data on all the cities, so I had to remove that link. El Greco(talk) 20:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The situation now has totally changed with the reforms of 2010. The census of 2011 was done on a different set of demes. So, we shouldn't be using those files now. See my suggestion in the discussion below, which is not to make the population source part of the template. Not all the communities may be in the census overtly; they would need their own sources. The original idea worked but the circumstances have changed so it does not work any longer. Need to adapt. At some point the link in the template is going to go dead and also it is 2011 now, we don't want to be stuck with 2001's data.Dave (talk) 22:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Does the infobox accept digital coordinates, and if so, how should I go about entering them. Most of the pages using this infobo tend to use the old system of minutes and seconds, which means that if you click through on the coordinates to see where the particular place is on Google Earth or Maps, you won't be taken to the precise location of the place (I'm talking about villages in Corinthia here). 
I see that other infoboxes in use in other countries allow for more precise coordinates. Can we have this option here? I trie to change the infobox myself, but nothing happened.--Damac (talk) 09:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the parameters lat_d and long_d mentioned in the documentation don't work, I'll remove them. The fastest option to get what you want is to add decimals to the minutes field (for instance lat_min = 45.8), that works. Markussep Talk 12:07, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! It was as easy as that. Kali chronia!--Damac (talk) 16:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it wasn't that simple after all. I tried adding decimals, only to find my village appear on the other side of the Peleponnese. How difficult would it be to add a decimal coordinate option to the existing infobox? --Damac (talk) 21:52, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made some minor changes.  You should be able to specify coordinates in decimal format (without minutes) using lat_deg, lon_deg, without lat_min and lon_min.  Let me know if there are any problems. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital coordinates 

message: Hi, I just added an optional prefecture map. They're available for probably all municipalities in Greece, see commons. For the map to show you need to add the field "image_map". Just add the file name, the image is automatically formatted. The standard caption is "Location within the prefecture". If you want something else (e.g. for places other than municipalities), use the "map_caption" field. Don't leave a blank "map_caption" field, because there's no caption then. See Archanes and Acharnes for examples. Markussep Talk 10:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prefecture map 

message: I think it is not necessary to include a limit for the width of the picture. No other infobox for any other city does it. For example, the picture of the article of Athens which is narrow looks ugly and small when the limit is used. I propose to delete that restriction and, after all, no other infobox of a greek municipality changes so significantly in order for such an austerity to be necessary. Dimboukas (talk) 17:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but the version that you were reverting to also has hard coded value for the picture width?  Would you like to add an option to override the default dimensions? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is that? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is fine for me. Thanks! Dimboukas (talk) 22:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: If the template is used for villages, IMHO it would make sense to show the location not only on Greece's location-map, but also on the prefecture's image-map (if given). What do you think? Alfie↑↓© 16:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be wise too. At the moment the scale's so great the dot is too imprecise for a small settlement. Gonzonoir (talk) 15:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show location on prefecture map? 

message: Even if none of the relevant parameters (population, population_village, population_as_of) are used, still a heading Population statistics (as of ...) and the reference to the Excl-file are generated. The reference does not help, because data on the particular village may not be included there. Alfie↑↓© 17:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that the reference mentioned here be removed. First of all, the data is 10 years old. Second, it cannot be updated because the Ministry of the Interior is not doing the census now, another organization reporting directly to the Greek parliament is. Third, the file specified is no longer active thru the Ministry site. That site is being redesigned. As of right now that file is still unprotected but its directory is, You can't click in the directory and get the file. Fourth, data on the former demes is not going to be collected any more. It was not collected in the 2011 census, which we can't put in because we have this reference in the way. Fifth, the names that got retained in the new system do not mean the same thing as the same names in the old system. In short, that reference needs to be removed from the template right now. In most other templates the source of the population statistics does not go in the template, it is placed in the instance of the article. I suggest that is the way it should be done.Dave (talk) 19:23, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I'm putting this item up for discussion here. If no one wants to discuss I will go ahead and remove the ref from the template so that we can start putting in the data from the 2011 census, which is done already. Just as an example of what I mean, so you see it more clearly, Sparti had a certain population in 2001. The population of Sparti was reckoned in 2011 but it is NOT the same Sparti. The deme of Sparti now includes the populations of a number of demes independent in 2001 but not now. So to leave the 2001 figure in here under the name of Sparti is quite misleading. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention, the Ministry of the Interior is now using the reform names. That is why they protected access to the file in question, but they did not protect the file! OK?Dave (talk) 19:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All right here it October already and no one has anything to say. I suppose that means you agree and do not have time to bother with it. So, I'm taking that as a yes vote and going ahead with the change. The "2001" tag is getting pretty confusing when the Municipalities now do not even have the same Municipal Units.Dave (talk) 02:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Dave! Sorry for the late response. I’m happy with the removal of the outdated stuff. Alfie↑↓© 14:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to nonexistent population data 

message: With the advent of the introduction of the new Kallikratis programme for local and regional government, is it time to adjust the infobox to reflect the facts that a) the number of municipalities will be reduced significantly through mergers, b) the prefectures have been abolished, and c) the peripheries have now assumed new powers. 
I would argue that there needs to be a new article for each and every of the 325 municipalities envisioned by the Kallikratis plan, regardless of whether an article already exists under that name. For example, now that the new municipality of Corinth is a merger of five existing municipalities, the existing article of Corinth cannot be extended to reflect these changes as Corinth is also a city in its own right. Therefore, perhaps what we need are clearly defined articles, such as Corinth (city) and Corinth (municipality).  
:I believe this could be done case-by-case. Some haven't changed, some others have incorporated relatively minor municipalities and can be included in the same article, whereas some other will definately need a solution like the one you mentioned, perhaps along with a disambiguation page --JimmyX (talk) 05:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All articles transcluding this infobox need to be checked for changes due to the Kallikratis programme. For now, a good measure for "to do" articles is that they still use the "prefec" field. I suppose when we're done checking the new municipalities (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece#To do: municipalities) we could add a maintenance category (:Category:Greece articles requiring maintenance) after the "if" statement for the "prefec" field. Markussep Talk 09:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with all this; meanwhile we have to live with what we got. When we see a new template we can transition to it. I'm not so sure a rule is necessary that there should absolutely be two articles. Maybe for some of the larger places with a lot of material one would want two. Some demes are not very large or there is not much material so if there is one article and that article makes clear the difference I think that is fine. In other words, it is and should be a matter of judgement rather than rule although it can be a recommendation to use two if the material warrants.Dave (talk) 02:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kallikratis 

message: Along the lines of Template:Infobox Italian comune, it would be nice to include the patrons of various Greek cities when known (i.e., Kastri's Saint George). Right now, without the option built into the template, it won't display. — LlywelynII 07:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: New field: Saint

message: Well, if you are reading this it means you have come the distance of removing the note binding us to possibly outdated or irrelevant data. You can always put your own note in your instance of the template. If you have come this far perhaps you would be willing to go a little further. There seems to be a growing crowd of editors opposed to the Grenglish language of periphery and peripheral unit, which do not mean the same thing in English as they do in Greek. Go the distance, go the distance. Let's change periphery in the template to region and peripheral unit to regional unit. What do you say? If we build it the understanding will come. Let's hear it for another template alteration!Dave (talk) 00:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece#English translation of περιφέρειεα - periphery or region?. The participants agreed to change periphery into region, I think there was still some discussion whether we would pick regional unit or subregion for peripheral unit. Markussep Talk 07:59, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Peripheries

message: I created an Infobox settlement-based wrapper for this template, a few test cases can be seen here.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed replacement 

message: I've just created the  template to have a centralized reference structure for the Greek censuses. It would be a good idea, given the wide spread use of this template, to use it here as well: for the 2001 census that would be , and for the 2011 census, . The reference sources in both cases are the same as currently used. Constantine   ✍  14:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census templates 

message: Just to record that although these terms are widely used in "Greek-English" and signage in Greece - they are little used in the UK, I'm not sure about the US. They appear to be terms absorbed by "Greek-English" and are often used in misleading ways. Only a large city area in the UK would ever be referred to as 'Municipal', which any dictionary will confirm - whereas in Greece and in WP, any 'dimos' is called a municipality, regardless of whether it is rural. urban or mixed. I'm not sure what the best alternatives would be, probably generic terms such as 'city/town authority', 'regional unit' or similar, since UK terms vary form place to place and do not match US terms. At present the way terms are used is probably misleading - or at least uninformative - to most UK readers and probably US readers, though I am less sure about that.Pincrete (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: municipality in the Oxford Dictionary says "A town or district that has local government.", which applies to the Greek dimoi IMO. Not that there is a style guide for official translations from the European Commission: https://ec.europa.eu/info/files/english-resources-country-compendium-companion-english-style-guide_en This country compendium gives the official translations for administrative units in Greece, see pages 62 and 63. δήμος is translated as "municipality", δημοτική ενότητα as "municipal unit", περιφερειακή ενότητα as "regional unit", etc. Markussep Talk 19:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that explains how the convention came about - it doesn't alter the fact that Gr and EU are using terms which are not widely used in the UK/US and which are even more unhelpful in combination (a region in English is usually a much larger area than a town/district, rather than a sub-division of the 'dimos'. 'Municipal unit' is largely meaningless and could equally be much larger or smaller than the municipality). I would point out that the EU conventions are mainly so that one dept of the EU can speak to another, they are not addressing a general English-speaking audience in the way that WP is, bureaucrats master such usages, readers don't expect to have to when quickly reading an infobox. I think a much better (ie clearer) convention on WP would be to use 'romanised forms', 'dimos' etc. or translation. Present convention is very confusing - even to someone like myself, who has some understanding of Gk local govt. structure  - since it uses English in ways distinct from normal use, while appearing to be normal English. At least with a 'foreign' term, (Canton or whatever), one is not struggling to see how the word fits into a UK context. Pincrete (talk) 10:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipality and Municipal region 

message: Both of these templates redirect to this one, but the presence of  and  means that instead of transcluding this template, they just show the redirect statement as a single-item numbered list and the Redirect templates; see Amphipolis, for example. (I can't find a transclusion of :Template:Infobox Greek place that isn't actually a transclusion of :Template:Infobox Greek Dimos.)
As such, can someone please comment out  and add a note that the templates block template transclusion, so should not be restored. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please  me in replies) 23:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual problem was that Template:Infobox Greek Dimos was a double redirect, and has nothing to do with redirect categorization. I've  the double redirect, so this should now be resolved. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Ah, of course; thank you. (I've also added the heading that somehow I forgot to add last night 🤦🏼) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please  me in replies) 10:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: Broken redirects 

message: As this template is used for both municipalities and settlements, it should contain those two fields aswell which are highly relevant:
*"community" for which community the settlement belongs to. We have two cases in Greece, 1 settlement=1 community and many settlements=1 community. While this field would be useless for cases like Kineta which is in its own community, it would be useful for cases like Ntaou Pentelis which belongs to the community of Penteli, along with Penteli settlement.
*"seat" for municipalities, which denotes the city/town/village which is the seat of the municipality. This is for sure something useful to have for municipalities infobox imo.
--Jimkats (talk) 21:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I think this is a good idea. If you know how to work with templates, you can test this in , otherwise let me know and I can try to do it. Markussep Talk 09:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, it should be ready to be implemented :) --Jimkats (talk) 01:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Implemented, see Tzanata and Eordaia for examples. Markussep Talk 08:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose to add community and seat fields 

message: I'm proposing adding an archive link to the population spreadsheet source (population_footnotes) as I've found that while the original link still works some networks around where I live automatically block it. Usually blocked links are fine as they bring up an error code in the window but because this is a download link it just looks like nothing happens no matter how much you click the link. Mesidast (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to add archive link to population download source