Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 37

message: Seems to be a lot of confusion over many of the Bangladeshi player's names ... a couple of weeks back I changed Saqibul Hasan to Sakib Al Hasan. I have just come across Abdur Razzaq's page where the references in the article (including CricketArchive which wasn't referenced) call him Abdur RazzaK so I have gone ahead an moved the page to that name. I'm curious over why there are always multiple names floating about for Muslim players because from memory we had a problem with Younis Khan recently as well. When a player starts their career wouldn't they tell their media manager what they are to be called? So often half the media refer to a player by one name and the other half by another ...
Crickettragic 02:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, it is somewhat confusing. Whilst I freely admit I am completely oblivious and ignorant to, well, almost everything regarding Asian scripts, I would assume it's just a minor translation issue - q to k isn't *that* much of a huge jump, after all. Perhaps something similar to the Japanese, in that they have one letter for both l and r? AllynJ 02:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another name change 

message: See . What's that about "Sarfraz"? --Dweller 11:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is nicknamed "Sarfraz" because of his ability to swing the (old ?) ball. Tintin 12:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict)That's his nickname, as listed in List of nicknames used in cricket, and used on T20 shirts . Apparently his action is considered similar to that of Sarfraz Nawaz. JPD (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. If someone would like to add that to Stuart Clark that'd be cool. --Dweller 12:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuart Clark... in French. 

message: Is it possible for a fielder to stump a player? I'd always assumed not, and stump (cricket) agrees; but this match (Cricinfo scorecard) claims that Sajjadul Hasan stumped Tareq Aziz, despite the fact he is not a wicket-keeper, nor he was keeping wicket for the match... Could it just be he was standing in for the actual keeper while he was off the field temporarily, or something? How should this be noted on the article? (I feel it should be noted as it's a rather odd anomaly, and could lead to someone reading the page assuming he is a wicket-keeper.) Not something I've ever seen before, that's for certain. AllynJ 17:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cricketarchive uses the + after the "st" or "c" to indicate it if the stumping/catch was effected by a non-designated wicket-keeper. See this example or the double dismissal of Oxenham here Tintin 18:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well found Tintin - a very rare (if not the only) occurrence of a reversal of roles (st x b y/st y b x) in same match.–MDCollins (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: To add to the above: only a keeper can stump a player, but it doesn't have to be the one designated at the start of the game. Using the recent Eng v WI match as an example, if Bravo had pulled off a stumping when filling in for the injured Ramdin, it would have gone down in the scorebook as "st Ramdin b [whoever]". However, had Bravo broken the wicket when Ramdin was keeping, it would have been "run out" with no credit to the bowler. Loganberry (Talk) 22:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean it would've gone down as "st +Bravo b [whoever]"? Else I'm thoroughly confused. :) Was aware of the run-out bit, though. AllynJ 22:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Bravo was behind the stumps, yes. –MDCollins (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Javed Miandad has one Test stumping to his name, incidentally. Loganberry (Talk) 22:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stumping 

message: A throw away comment in today's copy of The Times' coverage of Minor Counties mentions that 9 MC players represented England in Tests in the 1990s. I'd love to know who they are/were... and how you define them as MC players (played MCs before/after/during Test career?) --Dweller 10:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine it would have to have been during their career, after all both Derek Randall and Devon Malcolm played for Suffolk after their first-class careers... The Rambling Man 10:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wayne Larkins, Phil Newport, Paul Taylor, Mark Lathwell, Chris Read, Aftab Habib, Martin McCague, Andy Lloyd), Joey Benjamin... Johnlp 10:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the last Minor Counties cricketer to play for England while still playing for the Minor County was the great Sydney Barnes. Others like Ian Peebles, Ronald Stanyforth, David Townsend hadn't even played Minor Counties cricket I think Nigej 11:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather coincidentally, the legend that is Bill Frindall addresses this in his BBC column today. He lists Sydney Barnes (Staffordshire), Charles Coventry (Worcestershire pre FC status), Audley Miller (Wiltshire) and David Townsend. (Durham pre FC status) Andrew nixon 13:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor counties Test cricketers 

message: Actually I don't mind vandals too much.  Their antics crop up in the old watchlist and, after a swift undo, remind me that I ain't looked at this page for yonks and I ought to think about expanding it by adding that stuff I read in wotsit on holiday a couple of months back.  In fact, I think trolls are worse than vandals, especially those you find on the CfD and AfD and stub-sort pages...... meddlers, do-gooders and worse
I would guess that 99% of articles on WP are effectively part of the remit of one the numerous WikiProjects.  There's even a Thomas the Tank Engine project!  I might join that: Jack the belligerent engine who leaves his annoying trucks up on some windswept moor when it's pissing it down.  
So, although a WikiProject does not "own" an article and "anyone can edit", why not have a system whereby every article is nominally owned by a designated project (or more) and have a rule whereby an article that attracts vandals can be "claimed" by a project member on behalf of the project, such that it is protected by that project and only registered user/project members can update it?  --BlackJack | talk page 19:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like just another layer of bureaucracy. There's already a system whereby articles that are repeatedly vandalised can be protected, and there are enough admins associated with the cricket project for one of them to be cajoled into action. A large part of the attraction of the whole project for me is that the wise words of learned experts can be edited by anyone - and I'm optimistic enough to think that good edits will tend to survive, while bad ones mostly get reverted pretty quickly. Johnlp 20:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for responding, guys.  You're right, it would be another layer and, after all, as I said at the outset vandals are actually useful as reminders once you've reverted them.  I remember a while back I got Blnguyen to put a block on Samuel Britcher who had become a frequent target.  --BlackJack | talk page 18:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals: a proposal 

message: Another bureaucratic issue is round the corner at Talk:William Bedle. I hope BlackJack will keep his cool this time. Tintin 18:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying really hard to keep cool, Tintin.  The air conditioning's gone at work and we're all sweltering!!  Don't worry about the Bedle thing, not an issue.  Thanks to Nick, Ollie and Tintin for contributions to it.  --BlackJack | talk page 18:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning 

message: Hey all. I was wondering if (and hoping that) someone has information/pictures/scorecards/results about American Pro Cricket matches stored away somewhere. There is a lack of information on-line and I'm trying to remedy that by getting all of the information available and putting it online in one place. Any help is welcome. Thanks.--Eva bd 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try contacting CricketArchive and see if they are able to help. JH (talk page) 20:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried that. There response was that they'd like to add the information to their records, but they can't find any of it. :) --Eva bd 00:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any other suggestions, mates?--Eva bd 18:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I can't think of anything myself, I'm afraid... I'm assuming Procricket.com was their home page, but has now become defunct? Other than that, the only places I would imagine scorecards would be are at the clubs' administration (although judging by the fact the league is no longer operational, I guess this is irrelevent) or ... well, other than that I'm really drawing blank, sorry. AllynJ 19:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pro Cricket]] 

message: ....and even the ECB Trophy for a short time.  This is how the label for the limited overs cup is starting to look in the honours sections of the English county articles and I wonder if we ought to use a specific label.  If you have a look at Sussex CCC I've changed its honours section so that the label is FP Trophy with a footnote to explain the former names of the competition.  I've done a similar thing with the National League and provided another footnote to explain the concept of the Champion County (pre-1890).  Using Sussex as a guinea pig, can you provide some feedback about this approach.  When we've got a consensus, which might be on a different approach, I'll apply it to all the county articles for consistency.  Thanks.  --BlackJack | talk page 07:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks fine. However, if we are going to have "Twenty20 Cup (0)" then we ought also to have "Benson & Hedges Cup (0)". (Though the competition is no longer going, it did at least keep the same name throughout, and was one of the main comptetetions for over 30 years.) JH (talk page) 08:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Good point, John.  I've done that and we'll see what people think.  The alternative would be to remove any zero competition until the team wins it but I think I'd rather have confirmation that the team has not won that competition as an omission doesn't necessarily mean no wins.  --BlackJack | talk page 10:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All sounds sensible to me! →Ollie (talk • contribs) 00:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gillette/NatWest/C&G/FP Trophy.... 

message: I'm heading away for a week now, but I've got a couple of things to mention before I go:
* We don't seem to have an article for coverage of the upcoming South Africa v India ODIs in Belfast. Perhaps a mention in International cricket in 2007 would suffice.
* The template at the bottom of Chris Cairns, (2000 runs / 200 wickets) looks terrible. Can this one (and I assume others of the same type) at least be fixed so they don't look dodgy on narrow screens (I'm gettings bits like "Hadlee 54 Tests" and "56 Tests" with lines to themselves - and my screen is not particularly small!). Better than that, we could put them out of their misery altogether...
Cheers! →Ollie (talk • contribs) 00:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Enjoy your trip, Ollie.  --BlackJack | talk page 11:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Done the first of your requests, also added some others that were missing (Pakistan in Scotland, Friendship Cup). Other bit isn't really "my thing", so to speak; unsure of what to do. Have fun wherever you're off to. :) AllynJ 10:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've tried to tidy the template, but have had to use the  tags to force the line break as I can't get the flags to stay with the rest of the tag. So, this will keep 'flag-player name-tests' together, but will sometimes create an extra line on narrow displays. If we can either remove the flag), or use nbsp to attach the flag template to the player, problem solved. –MDCollins (talk) 10:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of things 

message: A great song by Canned Heat and it applies to me too as my on-off plans for 2007 are definitely on again.  So I shall be leaving you for several months but should be back in the autumn.
I want to tie up a few loose ends first and these concern the 18th century Englsih season reviews up to and including 1800 English cricket season.  I want to get all these up to start-class status and ensure that all the matches listed have links to scorecard information.  I've done up to 1795 but haven't time this evening to do the remaining five years so I will try and get them finished tomorrow.
There are a huge number of missing articles of the 19th century, plus some of the last decade of the 18th century.  I've created a project page called Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/redlinks which lists many of these.  If anyone has time over the next few months to research any of them and create articles, that will definitely help the project.  I'll pick them up again when I come back.
All the best.  Enjoy your cricket this summer.  Au revoir!  --BlackJack | talk page 21:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Enjoy the road, Jack.--Eva bd 01:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Aye, have a good time fella. AllynJ 12:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Have fun.  I'll have a look at some of those links and do a bit on them when I can. I always thought of 'On the Road Again' as a song by His Bobness on on the electric side of 1965's ground breaking 'Bringing It All Back Home'.  "Well, I woke up in the morning there's frogs inside my socks, Your mama, she's a-hidin' inside the icebox, Your daddy walks in wearin' a Napoleon Bonaparte mask, Then you ask why I don't live here - Honey, do you have to ask?"  Sorry. (Nick mallory 02:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Road Again 

message: Somebody has written that Panesar owns 2 Balti houses in Luton. Is that true?  Speedboy Salesman 14:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, it should be removed; it's unsourced, and so WP:BLP comes in to play. A Google search brought up absolutely nothing; but regardless, the burden of proof lies with he who wants to add such content: if someone wants to re-add it, let them do so with a source. Whilst I'm going to assume good faith, if it isn't it's potentially racial stereotyping and should definitely be removed. AllynJ 14:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Having looked up the addition of the info, it was added here by the same user who added this, which is almost certainly vandalism; and his talk page has various warning templates on it. Yeah, likely vandalism. Remove. AllynJ 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  a question about the Panesar article 

message: I have made fully collapsed meta-template structure in Tendlkar's wikipage. I used a collapsibe table - the third in the list (always collapse). I hope this input helps for ensuring that this discussion is buried, once and for all times. (by that, i mean atleast till a month!) --Kalyan 19:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's excellent. Well done! JH (talk page) 20:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fully collapsed templates 

message: Can someone please help me regularly update the twenty20 cup 2007 page with me. thank you. --Fahima07 21:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if I'll have the time but I'm interested in Twenty20 so I'll keep a watch on it and do what I can.  Your article does highlight the need for an extra domestic competitions category as the current one is properly for generic articles.  --BlackJack | talk page 05:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twenty20 Cup 2007 

message: How's it lookin? Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 06:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Neil Harvey]] for FA? 

message: I know this has been covered before, and we usually agree that there is little need for them. But whenever I remove one from an article, it's put straight back again within hours. Can anyone come up with a good reason to have them there? And would anyone mind if they were all deleted? And what reason would we give for their deletion? Or if they do stay, can we come up with guidelines on their use? I see no reason to include one when the article mentions that the player played in the World Cup. Surely the use of a template is to convey information that can not be easily conveyed in the prose? Andrew nixon 04:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in support for WC squads template boxes. I think it is essential as people may navigate to other pages from the original wikipages (i have done so numerous times!). Also, i am wondering why all the dissent in usage in cricket alone when numerous other sports have it. To ease a lot of people's uneasiness, i suggest we modify these templates so that the template header is the only info available by default and if the user is interested, he can click on the "show" button to see the relevant information. (Eg: Templates on FA article - Bill Russell. That said, if the group decides to do away with templates, i shall go with it (reluctantly, i should say!) --Kalyan 06:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for that link, it only confirms the problem. On that article, even with only the header showing on most of them, I can't fit all of them on my screen, and I'm running at a 1280x1024 resolution! Andrew nixon 07:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is ugly! I'm at 1920x1200, and I can just get all the templates on my screen when they're all closed, but I can't get the categories on at the same time. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  I find the navigation argument somewhat spurious, because it's solved by categories. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it just me, but i hardly use the categories. Always been comfortable using templates. --Kalyan 09:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, navboxes are definitely more efficient for navigating than using categories, but unless they are limited to only the few most useful navboxes, they stop being helpful and just become a mess. They are definitely overused in other sports, and in cricket there is even more reason to avoid them, as there aren't any tournaments that obviously deserve such special treatment. The WC isn't quite so significant to be singled out in that way ahead of Test cricket. JPD (talk) 10:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I am game for this idea. -- Kalyan 10:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes - well done - that is the sort of thing I was thinking of.  They should be hidden by default, though. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that they should be hidden by default. Also, I'd be happy with a compromise where they are only used if a player has played in more than one World Cup, and not used at all on stubs, where they look really ugly. Delete any non-WC ones though. Andrew nixon 11:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup squad templates 

message: We've discussed this so many times now, I think it's time to have a straw poll to establish whether there is a consensus. The choices are to keep them or delete them (and replace them by categories). (Actually, even in the case of keep, the categories need to be added to the templates). Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw poll 

message: He's back again already!  Been talking to George Williams who has been adding match result information to some of the tour articles that nearly got hit in this discussion recently.  George has encountered an old problem around "tours" by teams that arrive only to take part in an LOI tournament against the host nation and the team that has just played a Test series.  
George suggests, and I'm inclined to agree although I originally created a tour article for every single visiting team, that the LOI visits are redirected to the LOI tournament article and that we should only use tour articles for teams that played Test or (especially in pre-Test days) first-class cricket.  This would redirect 20-plus "team in Australia" articles and reduce the size of the template somewhat.  What do you all think?  --BlackJack | talk page 06:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite a number of these limited overs articles need attention really.  I do not see the point of a separate article for a team playing a limited overs tournament because if there is a point then there should be an article called X cricket team in West Indies in 2007 for all the 16 teams that took part in the recent World Cup!  --GeorgeWilliams 20:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree they aren't a priority. But where a touring team played warm-up (or any other kind of) List A matches against other first-class teams before joining in on a tournament, then I don't see any harm in having them either. The point about Wikipedia is that we don't have the constraints on space that there are in other media. I'm not going to rush to fill any of them out, and where they consist of only a sentence restating the title, I'd not defend them (as I wouldn't defend any Test tour article in the same state). But tours that involve first-class or List A cricket are, in my view, per se notable, and eventually I'd presume we'll want these articles. But not as a priority. Johnlp 21:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I see it, the question is whether tours mainly made to participate in an ODI tournament should use the "XXX in YYY" format, or simply have an article about the tournament. For bilateral series, it doesn't really make any difference, but for triangular tournaments, a tournament article could work better. Warm up games could be included in the tournament article (see the WC article). It's not a matter of notability, simply about how the info is organised. It makes more sense to find England and Bangladesh's warm up and triangular series games in 2002/3 in one article, rather than as separate tours. The only difficulty I can see is to decide what to do with the different matches played by a team who tour for a test series and a multinational ODI tournament. JPD (talk) 11:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly. I would even suggest that Bangladesh's ODI warm-ups belong in the tri-series article, not the tour article - but apart from that question, it's all straightforward. JPD (talk) 10:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're missing my point. If I was an encyclopedia user wanting to find out about all the Sri Lankan tours by the national team to Australia, I would go to the category that is called Sri Lankan cricket tours of Australia (and that is appended to Test tour articles) and expect to find all the tours listed there regardless of whether the team played first-class or List A matches. So there should be an article under each and every tour name, eventually. That doesn't stop details from tournaments being grouped together under a tournament title, and that could be cross-referenced from the tour article, which doesn't need to carry those details. But we still need a tour article, even if it's not much more than a redirect, so that we have a coherent record of who toured where and when. And I don't see why warm-up matches that aren't part of a particular tournament but still count as List A (or first-class) matches should be treated as part of the tournament: patently, they're often not very important, but that's no reason to misrepresent them. Johnlp 18:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see your point about the category. An article does not need to be named "Sri Lankans in Australia, CCYY-YY" in order to appear in the the category Sri Lankan cricket tours of Australia. The question is whether the information should be treated in the traditional bilateral XXX in YYY format, or whether they should reflect that fact that these days, tours are often actually simply about participating in a three (or more)-way tournament. Does it hurt to treat the tournament article as more of an article about the tour by all the other countries, with sections about the leadup and warm-up matches, rather than only including matches that were strictly part of the tournament? Then everything is more coherent and the tour articles, instead of being not much more than a redirect, can actually be a redirect. JPD (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour articles 

message: Added an AfD for a kid who has apparently played for the US under-15 team. Tintin 18:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akash Jagannathan]] 

message: An article on this Derbyshire first class cricketer is up for deletion here . Nick mallory 03:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, Wikipedia is not paper - there's little harm in including less famous persons as long as the details are properly referenced and verifiable.  Secondly, as for just one game, the requirement for cricketers is at least one game of first-class cricket which is a representative and fairly serious level of competition.  Selection indicates you're not the average man-in-the-street.  Finally, the value in including these lesser lights is having the complete set.  Cricket is very much a team game comprised of individual performances.  Historians and others are able to scan complete lists of team members from a particular cricket club or competition and be able to make comparisons - the fact that an individual played in a single match does not tell the whole story. —Moondyne 04:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're really just following the guidelines at WP:BIO, which refer to "Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport". So you might want to ask the general question there. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. Cheers! Rackabello 19:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys, if you can, please do check out the current revision of Thomas Howarth and the talk page to answer the queries posted. I would do this myself but I am rather tied up at present. If you can convince these guys to not go through the same process and achieve the same result again, I will be very grateful. Bobo. 16:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Thomas Howarth]] Deletion Debate 

message: I have created a deletion bundle for discussion under [] .  --BlackJack | talk page 14:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any connection between these AfDs and this edit ? Tintin 15:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, Tintin, yes.  The edit you have highlighted was done by someone close to me who is not Wikipedia-registered.  The AfD was long overdue and today I was in the mood to finally expose what I believe is a blatant piece of systemic bias by a certain person on behalf of his chums.  I've had second thoughts about Philip Bailey, however, and should not have included him in the AfD.  --BlackJack | talk page 18:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: We have an unusual problem here. There was a paragraph that read "His wife, Nandini, is a sociologist and a member of the Indian Censor Board (for motion pictures). His son Rajdeep earned a blue for Oxford University in cricket. He is now the CEO of the channel CNN-IBN. His daughter, Shonali, works on conflict related issues at the World Bank in Washington DC" which was added by an anon. The first two can be independently verified but there is nothing else online about Shonali Sardesai. Every news source in the net - including Cricinfo - seem to have copied this paragraph from us almost verbatim. It is probably true - because the first three lines are - but I had to comment out the line about the daughter to be on the safe side. Tintin 17:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very sad news.  I remember watching him bat in the sixties.  He was one of the first Indian cricketers that I heard of.  --BlackJack | talk page 18:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dileep Sardesai]] 

message: As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether cricket player Javon Searles is notable enough to have its own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. If you can spare some time, please add your comments to the article's talk page. Thanks!  --B. Wolterding 21:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Javon Searles 

message: I have a request for cricket lovers in England. We need snaps of Indian players as most of them inc. Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Dhoni doesn't seem to have good pictures. If you happen to be at any game over the next 2 months, please load the snaps in wikipedia commons. Thanks. --Kalyan 14:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will be in the Adelaide Oval nets in January when India arrive. I got some of England in User:Blnguyen/Gallery last December. But I fear that there maybe 200+ Indian Australians also there and it may be difficult to get a proper pic. Those images of the England cricketers, those were about the top 15-20% of my photos, so I need a lot of trials to get one to work....you know how digital cameras are, they have this time delay, so you have to guess the click about 1s before the bowler lets the ball go....Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 01:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What you need is a digital SLR! Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pic request 

message: I have noticed that for an active forum like this, there are very few participants who take part in FAC/FLC/GAC voting. A case in point is African XI ODI FLC which has received just 2 support votes in over 14 days. I know for a fact that there was a lot of debate in here on the template and when someone took the pains of implementing it, there isn't a lot of action (support/oppose/comment) on these noms. --Kalyan 12:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, I didn't spot this; thanks Kalyan. All passed without a hitch anyway. :) AllynJ 07:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of reviews and votes 

message: Hi., i have self-nominated the 2003 Cricket World Cup statistics for FLC. Please review the article and provide feedback/support/comments on the FLC page. --Kalyan 09:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FLC - request 

message: We have in our midst a certain individual with several usernames who thinks Wikipedia is here to glorify his chums on the committees of these two societies which, whatever good they might do, are certainly peripheral to the business of scoring runs and taking wickets.
Do the cricket project members believe that these organisations meet the criteria of WP:Notability?  Lets have a consensus about this and if the consensus is that either does not satisfy WP:Notability then it should go to AfD.  
My own view is that the ACS is very borderline, especially as it is inwardly focused and does not actually do anything original.  It may seem to do original work but in my view it is the individual members who do the work and then allow the ACS to publish it.  I think The Cricket Society is marginally notable because of its charitable status but I detest the after-dinner guffaw image that it has cultivated.  --BlackJack | talk page 20:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that they are both notable. Certainly at least as notable as some obscure player who made a single first-class appearance. Let's try not to be influenced by some individual ACS member who's been making an ass of himself. JH (talk page) 20:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: John is right. Both are notable. Johnlp 23:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think ACS is notable enough to deserve a wikipage but its members - unless they represented a team in FC cricket or wrote books on cricket, are not notable enough. --Kalyan 09:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: From what I recall, the ACS was also instrumental in the development of the List A classification, which makes it important enough in my book. Andrew nixon 13:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACS and Cricket Society