Talk:Evo Morales

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During the entire presidency of Evo Morales in Bolivia and the expulsion of the DEA from this country in 2008, drug trafficking has skyrocketed in the country. For all these reasons, the Inter-American Institute for Democracy and newspapers such as The Wall Street Journal describe the government of Evo Morales as that of a "narco-state" For his part, researcher Diego Ayo from the Vicente Pazos Kanki Foundation has published a study where he considers that the current structure of the Bolivian State is similar to that of a drug cartel. The coca growers unions are the main drug suppliers for the international market.
: For WP:NPOV and WP:BLP reasons, this was removed. There are, however, adequate reasons for this theme to be included in some form as it is a common point of discussion both within Bolivia and of independent studies on drug trafficking on the international stage. The page Illegal drug trade in Bolivia is woefully out of date, most references being from more than a decade ago. What it should certainly not be is an accusation that Morales is somehow the drug King of the Chapare. If there is political support from cartels and it is backed up from reputable sources, that is worthy of inclusion. Crmoorhead (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  everything is correctly cited and deserves to be mentioned in the article. If you feel like it's biased, I can't do anything so you can modify it at will, but you can't delete it just for the sake of it. --Ají Picante (talk) 14:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  And by the way, it is not me who is accusing Morales of being a Cartel leader, is the south american media, so this is not something of my imagination. --Ají Picante (talk) 14:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it's very common but if getting sources you should take care not to use opinion pieces like in the WSJ. If there are important public figures using those words, that might be important. I added several statistics and references. The net worth of the cocaine market in Bolivia and how much cocaine is being produced would be a good addition as well as part that links the Coca Unions with drug cartels and/or the MAS. There are numerous references in the Bolivian media that don't originate from allegations from political persecution in the last year. Sources prior to Nov 2019 would be seen as less biased by some. I am also aware that many farmers turn from necessary foodstuffs to coca because it is more profitable. All this work has me thirsting for a coca mate! Crmoorhead (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  P.S.: I changed the title to avoid susceptibilities. --Ají Picante (talk) 15:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narco-state 

message: since this article lacks any protection and a lot of the problem edits are from IPs, wouldn't semi-protection be sufficient? aismallard (talk) 06:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, that's what I meant. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 06:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: Hi! I reverted your edits removing the source for Nicholas Kozloff. I'm not necessarily opposed to the changes, but given this article's contentious history and out of abundance of caution, I just wanted to make sure as to your reasoning. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 18:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello! This is long overdue, but I still wanted to provide some insight regarding my changes. Kozloff is overall pro-Pink Tide, and his main article can be offer some insight regarding his position: his book Hugo Chávez : Oil, Politics and the Challenge to the United States treats Chávez and the Bolivarian Revolution, and just like the work referenced in this article, it was written in arguably in the height of the Pink Tide, 2006 and 2008 respectively. Not only should we beware of writing about a political process with a historial perspective instead of a current day one, but also the overrepresentation of American sources in content about Latin America. These factors affect reliability, besides neutrality, and its use should be avoided. --NoonIcarus (talk) 21:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd definitely say that this article could use some more contemporary citations reflecting recent historical analysis. However, I'd say that the author's biases aren't' necessarily reflected in the article to the extent that citations to him warrant being removed without something to replace them. I would definitely, on the other hand, consider perhaps delisting this as a GA, given that there are multiple sections that are no longer up to snuff. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 21:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kozloff source 

message: Citation 312 referring to a paper authored by Diego Escobari indicates that he is from the University of Texas, the common name of the flagship school of the University of Texas System, UT-Austin.  The accompanying link also leads to UT-Austin.  In fact Dr. Escobari is a faculty member at The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley (utrgv.edu), and his paper itself indicates that school, which deserves recognition in proper attribution.  Citation 312 itself links to his paper hosted at utrgv.edu, the website of the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley. 2603:8080:7A00:CCC0:5139:E3DB:2DAB:39D1 (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article also lists the co-author (Hoover) first, rather than the primary author (Escobari).  Conventionally, the primary author should be listed first. 2603:8080:7A00:CCC0:5139:E3DB:2DAB:39D1 (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Linked now to the correct university. As to the second point, the citation actually listed neither author. I've amended it to include author names and other elements necessary for proper citation. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the corrections and my apologies for not being specific on one requested edit: in the main text of the article (not the citation, which is correct now thanks to your fix), the university name "University of Texas" links to the correct university (utrgv.edu), but the text itself would more properly refer to "The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley", as "University of Texas" alone is common parlance for the flagship school, UT-Austin, and most readers of the main article text would (incorrectly) assume that it was the university producing this research.  The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley and UT-Austin are distinct and separate institutions within the UT System (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_System).  Thank you for your efforts on this article and on Wikipedia. 129.113.55.130 (talk) 14:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough; full university name is now included. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 312 Attribution (minor) Error