Category talk:Association football in Ireland

message: :(Following discussion moved from User talk: pages to facilitate contributions from other Wikipedians. jnestorius(talk) 01:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you clarify exactly why you do not like these categories.  Djln--Djln 12:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: You are correct about the category title.  It should have been IFA in title not FAI. This has been changed. However on other issues I disagree. A consensus was reached at Talk: Ireland national football team (IFA) that the Northern Ireland team did not exist until 1950. So how can you say that the players in :Category:Dual Irish international footballers be referred to as Northern Ireland internationals ? Some may be described as Northern Irish footballers as opposed to Northern Irish internationals. None of the players in :Category:Pre-1920 Ireland international footballers could be accurately described as either Northern Irish internationals or Republic internationals as neither state existed before 1920. The exception being if they played for either the IFA XI or the FAI XI after 1920. This should be done on an individual basis and not the category as a whole. This is the reasoning behind this category.  However they could be described as Northern Irish footballers or Republic of Ireland footballers due to their place of birth. My suggestion would be to have a super category called :Category: Irish footballers containing all the categories we have discussed. Djln --Djln 00:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IFA and FAI international teams

message: In principle, we could have:
:Category:Irish footballers
*:Category: Ireland international footballers 
:*:Category: FAI international footballers 
::*:Category: Republic of Ireland international footballers only for post-1949 FAI players
:*:Category: IFA international footballers 
::*:Category: Northern Ireland international footballers only for post-1950 IFA players
I think we are in agreement that "FAI international footballers" is unneccessary, i.e. we can use "Republic of Ireland international footballers" for players capped by the FAI prior to 1949, even though Ireland was not a Republic and the team was not described as such.
On "IFA international footballers" there are two issues:
#Having "Pre-1920 Ireland international footballers" instead of "IFA international footballers" avoids mentioning that there is any connection between the Pre-1920 team and the current NI team.  I think that's misleading.
#Even if we change to the above categorization, we still have the problem of what cutoff date to use for "Northern Ireland international footballers".  1950 still seems a bit arbitrary to me.  However, I think it is the least-worst choice, as long as it's not mentioned in the Category name. 
jnestorius(talk) 01:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: The categories :Category: Pre-1920 Ireland international footballers and :Category: Dual Irish international footballers could also be included in :Category: Northern Ireland international footballers, showing the IFA link, as well as the super category :Category: Irish footballers. Referring to Pre-1920 players as Northern Ireland internationals is equally misleading as  NI did exist before 1920. There needs to be a clear distinction. Djln--Djln 00:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only difference I can see is that you're suggesting 1920 as the cutoff date and I'm suggesting 1950.  I agree pre-1920 players didn't play for "Northern Ireland", but then neither did pre-1950 players, some of whom were not from Northern Ireland.  jnestorius(talk) 18:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further suggestion