Talk:No-till farming

message: :Readers unfamiliar with no-till farming should be cautioned that there are errors in this article, starting with the first line: "No-till farming, also known as conservation tillage..." No-till farming is one of many types under the broad heading of conservation tillage. For a good introduction to these definitions see: http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/AFSIC_pubs/srb9902.htm . 
:In my own experience in the Midwest U.S., dating back to the 1970s with the advent of reduced and no-tillage systems, I never once heard no-till called "chemical farming." That may have been a parochialism. I assume so. There deserves to be a reference to where the "chemical farming" story comes from. It should identify who exactly wanted to "promote the idea of no-till being more natural." I had never heard of such a thing. I doubt it deserves mention in the introduction to the article.
:The section "Pros and Cons" sets the stage for contributor bias. I would recommend dropping that section altogether and limit contributions to things readily citable and verifiable. That "Erosion" would be listed as a "Con" for no-till mystifies me, and I think would mislead anyone seeking to learn more about no-tillage systems. Decisiondoctor 18:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reader alert: content needs corrections, edits 

message: :Think about making several passes over a field with a different piece of equipment each time simply to prepare the field for planting. The cost of fuel and time consumed are decreased dramatically by reducing the number of "passes" over the field. This is only one benefit though. Meng.benjamin 13:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  why do people use no-till farming 

message: This doesn't seem to be a very balanced article. Perhaps more CONS could be listed? I'm noticing that in the CONS area it lists what appears to be a minor con that it then brushs aside.
*Spruced it up with some more downsides found from a googling, and seperated them out into subsections.
===new revolutionary farming technique: don't plow===
Yeah, same here.  It seems like no-till farming is the only way to do it, as sold in the article.  
Meanwhile I know farming has been going on for many thousands of years, with plows turning over the soil, in endless history and nursery rhymes and stories about penniless farmers with a plow pulled by a solitary cow, lumbering across the field before spring planting.  Were they stupid?  Suddenly 1940 comes around and people say, gosh, all this plowing and stuff we've been doing for thousands of years, let's try NOT  plowing.  Hey! It works!  what a great idea!  why didn't we think of it sooner?
Something tells me there's big, serious advantages to plowing a field.  I mean, they're sortof listed in the article, briefly, then left behind.  Something tells me that lazy farmers might occasionally try to grow crops without plowing, with bad results, and that's why farmers have plowed their fields as a standard technique, like, forever.  It would be nice if there was some acknowledgment of this history and why it's been done for thousands of years that way.
OsamaBinLogin (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  no-till farming' 

message: Yeah, same here.  It seems like no-till farming is the only way to do it, as sold in the article.  
Meanwhile I know farming has been going on for many thousands of years, with plows turning over the soil, in endless history and nursery rhymes and stories about penniless farmers with a plow pulled by a solitary cow, lumbering across the field before spring planting.  Were they stupid?  Suddenly 1940 comes around and people say, gosh, all this plowing and stuff we've been doing for thousands of years, let's try NOT  plowing.  Hey! It works!  what a great idea!  why didn't we think of it sooner?
Something tells me there's big, serious advantages to plowing a field.  I mean, they're sortof listed in the article, briefly, then left behind.  Something tells me that lazy farmers might occasionally try to grow crops without plowing, with bad results, and that's why farmers have plowed their fields as a standard technique, like, forever.  It would be nice if there was some acknowledgment of this history and why it's been done for thousands of years that way.
OsamaBinLogin (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: new revolutionary farming technique: don't plow

message: "With precision fertilizer and seed placement yields are never compromised." What does this mean? --Gbleem 16:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  " never compromised." 

message: I would like to suggest that this article is not merged with "no-dig gardening" because they are completelly different uses.  --201.6.65.26 20:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't redirect Conservation tillage to no till.  There are multiple kinds of conservation tillage systems and no-till is just one of them. I made up a new conservation tillage systems page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_tillage_Systems).  The problem is that people who want to post information about topics like strip tillage (one kind of conservation tillage system) can't put it under no till or link to it from a conservation tillage system page.  Case in point, we just added an entry for stip-tillage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip-Till). I'm sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong spot. By the way, strip tillage searches should go to the new strip-till page system.  How do you change that. Thanks, Regards,SoilMan2007 (talk) December 5, 2007.  —Preceding comment was added at 18:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: No merger. An article covering both would be unworkable. -- Paleorthid (talk) 05:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No merging 

message: the german and the french article that are linked to this one (direktsaat and tcs, technique de culture simplifie) correspond rather to conservation tillage which is essentially working without ploughing. i propose that there should be an article with this title, currently it is only a section in the article tillage and that the french and german article are linked to that one. conservation tillage is also more relevant in terms of surfaces than no till farming. i think there is a confusion in this article between permaculture and fukuoka style cultivation which is practised more or less by hobby gardeners on a gardening style and conservation tillage which is a modern farming technique that more often that not relies on usage of herbicides.Truetom (talk) 11:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: nope, a google search shows me that no till, reduced tillage and conservation tillage should maybe be grouped in the same article, still there is a little confusion here about the terminology that should be fixed.Truetom (talk) 11:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  conservation tillage 

message: I've changed the layout so that there is one advantages title and a disadvantages title. The content needs further work but I think that this a more sensible layout. I've added the advantantage that it doesn't disturb archaeological sites too. I've heard a lot about the fact that ploughing has destroyed long barrows and other burial structures near where I live. Smartse (talk) 12:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: Could the zaï-system be mentioned or placed in the see also section ?
Article still needs to be made; if anyone is intrested, see http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/soil/mann-text.html for information on zaï-system  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.187.57 (talk) 17:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (For anyone else following the link, Zai isn't mentioned until the sixth page). Digging a lot of holes a foot deep doesn't really count as no-till, so it's not appropriate as a section of this. Linking as a 'see also' might work on conservation tillage or even tillage, but the article has to be written first. If you're interested, perhaps start the article yourself? Thomas Kluyver (talk) 14:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Zaï

message: Can the research of Derk van Balen (Lelystad) be included.
It stated that higher productivity was proven with the new crops carrot, wheat, sugar beet and barley  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.193.143 (talk) 11:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: crops

message: Perhaps I am misreading this article, but I can't find an explanation of the technique in here.  How exactly is no-till performed?  What steps are taken to grow a crop in this system?  128.163.157.49 (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you have the necessary knowledge to work on/help with the revisions you mention? I originally tagged it point-of view over a year and a half ago, but I don't know enough to work on it myself. (I'll post the same on your talk page, in case you don't read this) Thomas Kluyver (talk) 14:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Procedure

message: I think this article was not even close to being complete. It showed no evidence of fuel usage and it also did not mention that other crops need to be tilled to grow like potatoes and carrots  and so forth.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.110.174 (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Till only good for Cereal Crops 

message: There are multiple issues which must be resolved
* not in encyclopedic language
* duplicated text in multiple sections
* section heading whose only content says to refer to another section
* for the most part the sections only have a sentence or two of information, not enough to warrant a separate section.  as such, they should be either combined into fewer number of sections, or expanded so that each has enough information to stand on its own.
Tom (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn't the broadfork be mentioned, as well as the principle of this tool.
The tool breaks the soil and aerates it, without overturning the soil. I think it complies completely with no-till farming, although perhaps not with no-dig gardening. In most cases, the tool is even indispensable for no-till agriculture.
KVDP (talk) 12:41, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: i have removed from "Increased Chemical Usage" section the word "flaming" as an alternative for all killing herbicide use. i replaced the word flaming with "burning", but without hyperlinking the word to another article.
Reasons: burning seemed to me a more appropriate word, though i am not an expert on toil-free farming. I belive the hyperlink of the deleted word "flaming" needed to be deleted, since it led to the article about flame (a generic term in physics and chemistry), that has no connection to the particular method used in farming.(80.98.114.70 (talk) 22:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: I was just going to add a chunk of text, from "Agroecology", where it didn't belong (none of the 15 sources used established no-tillage had anything to do with agroecology), but this article needs heavy editing to reduce promotionalism and plain untruths, as has been mentioned on this talk page since 2009 by everyone from soil scientists to farmer's anecdotes to Osama bin Login. Already the second sentence of the lede is not true. It is full of unsourced promotional opinion. It is out of date, someone added all this stuff about carbon credits in 2009, the CCE had sunk from $7.50 to $0.05 a share by then, and the exchange shut down the following year after 9 months of zero trades. My reading is that there is little evidence no-tillage increases soil carbon content, in fact the opposite appears true, and there are good articles referencing this in this article! Problems with the method like excessive and expensive herbicide (round-up) use are brushed aside. I think before adding more I will work on this for a bit -this will mean trimming much of this article. The tillage article could also use some work -the history section, for example, is totally without references and almost every statement is factually wrong (tractors, horses). Cheers,   Leo Breman (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still POV 

message: I'm a small scale (less than 5 hectares) farmer working under the principles of regenerative agriculture, a sub-type of organic farming which goes further and sees farming as a way to regenerate nature locally. There's a growing and global group of farmers practicing this, but their way of working is entirely absent in this article. I believe that focussing exclusively on herbicide reliant large scale no-till agriculture in this article is a mistake. 89.205.225.114 (talk) 11:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Regenerative agriculture is linked in the see also section of this article. To include more information, you would need a WP:RS that covers a connection between no-till and regenerative agriculture.Dialectric (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New style of organic no-till farming is absent in article