Talk:Ara Abrahamian

message: yes we get the message, he is armenian, born in armenia and of armenian descent.
:Just put armenia or armenian ONCE in the article please Sennen goroshi (talk) 18:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I also wondered where this guy came from - as soon as I read the news articles in today's news about this guy, I thought to myself, "That doesn't sound like a Swedish name", and so I went to Wikipedia to see where he is really from, and - like so many times - I found Wikipedia to be lacking - so I went to the Discussion page, and, alas, I find that it is apparently not politically correct to note that the guy is Armenian.  Oh well, another black mark against Wikipedia.  I wonder when this web portal will become totally useless?  Does Wikipedia have a page that addresses that???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.159.186 (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. What the heck is the problem to say that he's Armenian. I'll just put that.In Harmonia Progressio! (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have put every single notable detail about him that you wish. However don't put it in the lead. Make a background section, and put every relevant detail you wish in there. Minor details such as these do not belong in the lead and will be removed. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

text: He is a naturalised Swede of Armenian descent. Not more complicated than that. And not politically controversial, at least not in Sweden. If you were to apply ethnical definition on peoples nationality there wouldn't be many americans hanging around.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.181.248.5 (talk) 09:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  armenian 

message: Several of the links appear to be dead.   I can only note tonight that they could be better checked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.106.50 (talk) 06:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The most POV statement "child-like" was made right before the write errors on Wikipedia occurred today which explains why the statement lasted so long. However this entire section needs to be reviewed and compaired to the source it is citing. It goes both ways, the article contains POV statements in both directions of the argument. 68.224.207.54 (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire "hand in the blue zone" affair is, at least, questionable. There are no affordable sources that claim this was the cause of the referees' decision. The members of the Swedish Olympic Commitee, in their request to the COS, stated that the FILA gave them different explanations, and the same article cited as source, really, stated that the referee motivated the decision with an unfair blocking move that Abrhamian allegedly made.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.15.70.149 (talk) 13:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for improving this article 

message: Is there a category for Tantrums in sports? I think of the chair throwing of Bobby Knight.I already see 483 Google hits for Abrahamian tantrum and 10 for  Abrahamian "dummy spit." Google News has 3 hits for Abrahamian tantrum.Edison (talk) 04:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really consider the term "tantrum" to be NPOV and worthy of wikipedia? Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was used by several well regarded news sources. If it is refereenced to reliable sources, it is appropriate and NPOV. Edison (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Your opinion amounts to original research. This is not a blog forum for experssing personal opinions. Edison (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be suitable for a wikipedia article.. so good thing he wrote it here instead? =) I thought this part was for opinions. Either way, to me, his comment was quite useful. I don't like relying on news articles by, often not fully involved, news reporters to make the rule calls. When I read the article at  http://uk.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUKPEK17319620080814?sp=true  for instance, Ara really did come across as a whiney person who couldn't handle losing a normal game.  The comment above strengtens the view that it wasn't JUST that, at least. Lejman (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tantrum

message: Isn't it a little soon to say he's retired? Okay, so he blew up at the Olympics; is it really realistic to assume that whatever he said in the heat of the moment means anything?--Prosfilaes (talk) 15:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He has said many times before that he intends to retire after the 2008 Olympics, no matter the result. /Slarre (talk) 23:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have a reference for that? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 

message: He's going to CAS to get the match result reviewed... but not his own disqualification, nor the medal distribution :P
http://www.thelocal.se/13824/20080820/
Lejman (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: CAS gives Ara Abrahamian right (on several points) - http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenerales.asp/4-3-1846-1092-4-1-1/5-0-1092-15-1-1/  This doesn't change the medal distribution etc.Lejman (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no trace, in the CAS Decision, that: "Abrahamian should have been given one more period of the match", and even the period: "The judges did wrong in not listening to the Swedish protests" can be easily misinterpreted (as "listen" can be easily interpreted as "agree"). The Panel, clearly stated that the decision did not challenge the outcome of the match and the technical judgment at all, but only the functioning of the appeal mechanism of the FILA.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.59.184.117 (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CAS 

message: Which is it? He rejected it first and later the IOC "stripped" him of it. But how does one strip something from someone strip a medal from a person who does not have said medal? Gateman1997 (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good question :P Well, he didn't mind getting the medal to count to him (or the country?), but IOC's decision included deducting the medal from those counts as well. His protest wasn't aimed at IOC in the first place, but at FILA, which makes matters even more complex :P Lejman (talk) 23:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter that he didn't want it, he won bronze and thats it. At least it would have been until they stripped him of it and he officially disqualified and so officially lost the medal he didn't want. The answer is therefore stripped. EchetusXe (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rejected or Stripped of medal?

message: I could not find the three items in the cited press release. It might be from the full decision. Please clarify. Vesal (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the full arbitration it seems that you're right. I now changed the link to point the arbitration instead of the press release Gruen (talk) 19:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CAS press release? 

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