Talk:Rescue of Giuliana Sgrena

message: All of this discussion is pointless because the vehicle was stupidly targeted by U.S. forces on purpose because Al-Qaeda tricked them into it.  Al-Qaeda used the fearfulness and trigger-happy qualities of the soldiers against them by reporting that her vehicle had an ied in it, the U.S. took the bait.  They were scared to admit being duped and voila, conspiracy theories abound but alas it is the simple answer []. If the car were going 1kph or 100 mph it was up against a soldier's fears which have no limits or reasonability! BTW Pier, you nailed it on all three! Pier said-->> Pier Scolari said "I hope the Italian government does something because either this was an ambush, as I think, or we are dealing with imbeciles or terrorized kids who shoot at anyone". unsigned comment added by |talk]]) 06:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Duped

message: The section on the Italian report attributes to the Italian report aspects of the incident which were also acknowledged in the American report, giving the misleading impression that those aspects were in dispute, when they were not.  --  Geo Swan 18:07, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Italian report 

message: The article says that someone who interviewed someone who interviewed Sgrena, said that they were shot on the reserved road that connected the Green Zone to the airport.  So, this is a quote at three removes.  It is a misinterpretation.  There is an expressway connecting downtown to the airport, it isn't normally reserved.  23 hours a day, most days, it is open for ordinary civilian use.  The US military shuts it down, once or twice a day, at unpredictable times, to devote it exclusively to convoys navigating from the "Green Zone" to BIAP.  They shut it down by setting up temporary "blocking points", like the one where Calipari was killed, at all the on-ramps, so no civilians can enter the highway.  Manning these blocking points is dangerous.  The GIs are exposed to sniper fire, and are visible to artillery spotters from multistory apartment buildings that are near the highway.  So the blocking points are only supposed to be staffed for just fifteen minutes or so -- just long enough to clear the road and let the convoy proceed.  The third hand assertion that Sgrena already believed they were on the secured route was incorrect.  Either Sgrena, or Klien, or Goodman misunderstood.  Fair enough.  But should it be repeated in the article, if we know it is untrue -- even if Sgrena may have been the one who believed it?  --  Geo Swan 14:15, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Reserved Road" -> Sgrena -> Klien -> Goodman

message: *The article currently says that CBS reported that satellite photos established the speed of the Italian's car.
*The article currently says that the Italians were skeptical about the reports of satellite surveillance, because of bad weather.
FWIW, Negroponte would, normally, have traveled to the airport by helicopter.  He didn't, that night, because weather conditions precluded the use of the helicopter.
Negroponte only made a brief visit to the airport.  By the time he was ready to return the weather conditions had improved enough for Negroponte to fly back.  But no one told the soldiers who were holding Route Irish open for him.  The rules were that the soldiers who were guarding Route Irish were only supposed to be on station for fifteen minutes.    High-rise buildings, where snipers and artillery spotters had a good view, overlook the expressway.  Fifteen minutes is supposed to be long enough for the soldier's roadblocks to empty the expressway of civilian traffic, so it is empty for the convoy, and for the convoy to travel the 12 km to the airport.  But, it was thought to be brief enough that rebel artillery spotters couldn't organize a barrage, unless they and their batteries were on watch 24x7.
The soldiers guarding the roadblocks that night had been left in clear view of potential snipers and artillery spotters for over an hour and a half when the Italian's car came into view.
Anyhow, about the visibility:
*Weather clear enough for helicopter flight was not necessarily clear enough for satellite surviellance.  How likely is it that the weather could go from too wild for helicopter flight to clear enough for satellite photos in an hour and a a half?
*Isn't part of the downside of satellite surveillance that the satellites orbits takes them over any particular spot on a fixed schedule, and they are only over the spot you are interested in a very limited part of the time?
*How often is satellite surviellance done in the form of a movie?  Why  would it be necessary to make a movie?  Isn't satellite surveillance usually in the form of still photos?  If a movie was worthwhile how often would an exposure be necessary?  
I raise this merely so we can keep an eye out for authoritative, verifiable sources that would allow confirming or denying these reports.
Cheers!  --  Geo Swan 09:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satellite photo? 

message: A contrib was made at the top of this page, w/o a heading, by  at 14:55, 30 October 2007. A minute later, they removed the accurate sig they had initially placed there.  Instead of simply moving it from that improper position, i am suppressing the full text from this page, pursuant to the terms of Wikipedia:BLP#Non-article space and in light of the extreme language, the lack of either a stated proposal about the accompanying page's content or any relevance to it under WP's policies, and the apparent acting in concert with another IP in expressing similarly BLP-relevant statements. I substitute for it here a mixture of plain-text verbatim excerpts with my italicized paraphrases of the removed material:
This is just one US checkpoint killing that happened to get media attention cuz the victims were an Italian journalist and police agents. Imagine how many Iraqis may be killed by U.S. forces at checkpoints, and we never hear anything. Such acts could be easily concealed: burn the bodies and steal the cars or push them into a ditch.
 
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thread_title:  Inflammatory suggestion 

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