Talk:Freya von Moltke

message: This article does not meet the notability guidelines at WP:BIO. Association with notables does not  , itself, make a person notable. A diligent author might make a case for notability might be made from von Moltke's autobiograpy, Memories of Kreisau and the German Resistance by Freya von Moltke,  but I'm not sure how. Unless a case for notability is made by December 1, 2007, I will nominate it for deletion.HopsonRoad (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck with that, then. Her Memories of Kreisau and the German Resistance is better described as history, not autobiography. And since she is a subject of Moltmann-Wendel, Elisabeth, Das Leben lieben - mehr als den Himmel : Frauenporträts, Gütersloh : Gütersloher Verlagshaus, 2005, Dorothee von Medingas, Courageous Hearts: Women and the Anti-Hitler Plot of 1944, and Alison Owings Frauen: German Women Recall the Third Reich as well as other works already cited in the article, and since a topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, I suspect your nomination will fail.  Or perhaps you will be lucky and be able to improve Wikipedia by deleting the article. You should perhaps ask the German Wikipedia to delete their article as well.  Allen Dulles had this to say about her: "The Countess was more than just the wife of the hero von Moltke since she was his close collaborator, untiring comrade-in-arms and the only woman to be present at the meetings of the Kreisau-Circle composed of prominent freedom fighters, Church leaders, intellectuals, labor leaders and army officers who hoped to overthrow the Nazi regime." She has perhaps not attained the same dizzying heights of notability as, say, Helen Hartness Flanders, but she has certainly attained the level of notability required for Wikipedia, despite being a woman who worked in conjunction with her husband. - Nunh-huh 17:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you for supporting the case for notability, Nunh-huh. You amply satisfy me with your argument. I'll try to incorporate that material into the article, unless you'd like to go first. I sense a little tongue-in-cheek with your HHF reference. Clearly HHF had the luxury of a peacetime setting to pursue a productive hobby, whereas FvM lived in the middle of a war under one of the most destructive regimes of all time. My issue was that the article didn't portray notable actions by FvM. BTW, the German article is quite light, too. But that's their issue. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Could you provide a reference for the Allen Dulles quotation, please? I have some descriptions of the other works that you cited in the next section. You could add it to the list, below. Sincerely,HopsonRoad (talk) 01:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not demonstrably notable? 

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thread_title: Literature citing Freya von Moltke

message: ===Progress===
*I am in the middle of an upgrade of this article. I plan to complete it by 22 November. HopsonRoad (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrade of Article 

message: *I am in the middle of an upgrade of this article. I plan to complete it by 22 November. HopsonRoad (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress

message: Freya von Moltke died on 1 January, 2010. Please review the changes that I have made to reflect this fact in the "View History" section, before making changes to reflect this change in circumstances. User:HopsonRoad 16:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Von Moltke's Death 

message: This Israeli site: [Haaretz] talks about this German woman.Agre22 (talk) 13:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli site

message: The article meets the following five criteria for B-Class:
* It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited.
* It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies.
* It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content.
* It is free from major grammatical errors.
* It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams.
It meets the following criteria for Mid Importance:
Topics that are reasonably notable on a national level within Germany without necessarily being famous or very notable internationally, including smaller towns. To support this, note the obituaries from major news outlets in Germany. Note further that von Moltke met with three Bundeskanzelers: Helmut Kohl in 1998, Gerhard Schroeder in 2004, and Angela Merkel in 2007.
 
 
User:HopsonRoad 14:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justification for B-Class, Mid Importance—Project Germany 

message: I moved the following links from the article per WP:LINKFARM:
* Website of the Kreisau-Initiative Berlin e.V.	
* Website of the Kreisau Foundation
* Freya von Moltke interview, Junge Freiheit on August 22, 1994 	
* Geschwister-Scholl-Preis  recognition for Briefe an Freya (Letters to Freya) and the achievements of Helmuth von Moltke.
* Bruecke Prize recognition of von Moltke's life work.
*"Freya Gräfin von Moltke" - The Independent obituary	
* "Freya von Moltke" - Daily Telegraph obituary
* "Freya von Moltke" - Hamburger Abendblatt obituary
* "Freya von Moltke" - Wienerzeitung obituary
* "Freya von Moltke" - Die Zeit obituary
* "Freya von Moltke" - Stern obituary
Here they are for mining for use in the article. User:HopsonRoad 04:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links moved from article 

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