Talk:Spades (card game)

message: I added references to Pagat, Spadeology and Rubl, which are trusted card game rules sites. and to HowStuffWorks which is marginal in some cases but looks accurate for Spades. Feel free to add additional references and to tag additional citations from the existing refs. Avoid eHow and About.com. The article needs a few more inline tags, but don't go overboard; 90% of what is shown as the "basic rules" is common among all four refs currently used, so one or two cites at the end of each section whose information is supposted by a reference is fine. I went ahead and removed the banner (finally; been there for a year and a half). Maybe this article is due for a review and to-do list so we can get it to GA status?Liko81 (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References Added 

message: I think blind bidding is a variation while nil/zero bidding is standard. I think this is true in the references.  Sirgorpster (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "The common rule is no cards are passed for a regular nil but one or two cards are passed (depending on the variant) for blind nil since if the blind nil player gets the ace of spades, it is impossible for them to make nil." This text was removed, but shouldn't this information about game play be included? gujamin (talk) 18:09, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Play - Blind and Nil Bidding 

message: I know nothing of spades. I didn't understand the sentence "There is a variation where the object is not to lose - the loser having an amusing penalty." Would this be a specific "amusing" penalty, or is it a penalty agreed upon before game play starts that tends to be amusing? I tried to find this defined elsewhere in the article and was unsuccessful. It would be helpful to clarify the sentence with additional information
Gramby 05:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence is worded badly. Isn't the object of any game not to lose? As far as having amusing penalties -- it's not an intrinsic property of Spades. Any people playing any game can choose any amusing penalty for the loser.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.97.144 (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic Game Play Clarification 

message: The variation for "Urban Rules" states: "all rules are disregarded". This is obviously wrong. If all rules were disregarded, there would be no game. It becomes a speed contest to see who can get 7 books, but even the rules for taking books wouldn't exist. I could just as easily take a breath and say that's worth 7 books and I win. But the player next to me might say that their heart beat before my breath and so they win. -- 67.42.97.144 (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it; the basic scoring rules are what's disregarded.Liko81 (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Urban Rules" 

message: In games I've seen, only Nil and Double Nil (called "Blind Nil" in article) are available bonus hands. Also, "Deficient Ends the Game" is also called "Going out through the bottom" and is often -300. 72.87.188.6 (talk) 06:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring and "going out through the bottom" 

message: It's driving me crazy. What is the term for the card you have that you know will set the other team? I can't remember it for anything!71.105.186.114 (talk) 04:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: help

message: I'm removing the following content from the article:
All variations that I've never tried, suspect have never been used in any organized event, and lack citations indicating evidence to the contrary.
The entire strategy section on the grounds that much of it is wrong (or variation/situation dependent), none of it is cited, and all of it is too incomplete to be useful. 69.221.151.26 (talk) 19:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pruning variations and strategy 

message: I removed the following text:
: As of 2000, Spades is considered the #1 partnership game in the United States, surpassing Bridge. However, Bridge, Hearts, Skat and other trick-taking games remain popular and eclipse Spades in various regions and demographics of the U.S. and in other countries, especially in Europe.
The citation for the first sentence does not support the claim.  The article says that Spades is the most popular game on the internet, not in the United States.  I removed the second statement because it does not really make a lot of sense without the first. -- JPMcGrath (talk) 01:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed unsupported claim. 

message: Can I write a section about the popularity/History amongst the African-American community?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 (talk) 10:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have trimmed the above comment but in case it is in a good faith edit but I suspect no such intention! There is no reason to have a section about a game in a different community unless there is clear evidence that the game is played using a different set of rules and this is mentioned in several RS.
Tetron76 (talk) 17:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I ran across Spades in the early '70s when I was in the Navy.  I'd say that at least 2/3 of the people playing it were Black.  I'm not suggesting any connection here, just making an observation.  JDZeff (talk) 18:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

text: So Wikipedia is not going to mention a very important fact about this game? Odd. Do you dislike African-Americans? 2601:547:C580:D950:C17F:B3D:7ECF:A671 (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Any such addition must be sourced to reliable sources. I've never heard of this particular relationship and fear it may be connected to the old slur for blacks. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Utter nonsense. 2601:547:C580:D950:B05E:7B95:BA6F:2E94 (talk) 03:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity Amongst the African-American Community? 

message: This section's purpose seems to be nothing more than a way to encourage readers to search on a specific search term, specifically, "play spades online", as if the average reader would have no clue how to use internet search.
I think this section should be removed. I've never seen anything like it anywhere else on Wikipedia. JohnAKeith (talk) 05:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer spades games 

message: How is it scored if a team bids Nil and 4 and the nil person gets set but the partner gets their 4 (so they have 5 tricks total)?  Do they get -100 for being set and 41 (1 bag) = -60 + 1 bag?   If they both bid 3 and they took 7 tricks, they would get 61 (1 bag) but if they get set, the bags aren't even considered and they would get -60.  So what happens if one side of a nil bid gets set?  In the first example, should the scoring be -100 + 40 and ignore the bag since the first player got set?  If the first player made their nil but the the second player got only 3, would it be scored +100 -30 + 3 bags for 73 or would it be +100 -30 ignoring the bags since the player got set for 70?  If they don't get the bags in the last case (which is the way most probably would score), then they really shouldn't count the bags in the first case either since they're already being penalized IMHO.  Anyone want to weigh in?  Please include reasoning and sources. gujamin (talk) 06:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring Bags with Nil bids