Talk:Biblical Hittites

message: The data to link the two peoples is tenuous. Using the fact that lions appear popular in both 'cultures' in itself shows the weakness of the connection. One must also assume that the bible is a completly factual historical document. It is not mainstream knowledge that the two peoples are one in the same, infact most non-biblical scholars agree that there is no link. This maybe the case with some biblical scholars whose motivation is to 'hitch' the old testament to historical fact. Therefore the pre-biblical Hittites should not be mentioned under the article biblical Hittites except as a disambiguation an encyclopedia should be a place were one can gleam authoritative factual information. It is historical fact that after their zentih in 1500-1400 BC that they were destroyed in 1200 BC by the 'sea people', source from translated tablets.--Philm101 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: there is no need to "hitch" the "old-testament" to historical fact since the tanach is a historical document. aside from bashing people for their beliefs, your argument sounds fine to me. Shyisc 17:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Right on both accounts.Zestauferov 07:33, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Correct. In KJV it would probably appear as the land of the hittites Zestauferov 07:33, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre Biblical and Biblical Hittites 

message: I am sorry Codex, but your identification section makes very little sense. It is not clear if you want to argue for an identification of the HTY with the New Kingdom (Hittite Empire): It is undisputed that Luwian was spoken into the Iron Age. It is undisputed that rulers in Anatolia had Hittite/Luwian names well into Biblical times. A admit it is commonly accepted that the HTY may be related to the Neo-Hittite kingdoms, but what is the evidence for connecting the HTY with the actual Hittite Empire? And more to the point, who supports this identification? The 1700 stone lion seems patently inconsequential. Even if it was Hittite, what has that got to do with the Bible? Are lions mentioned in connection with the HTY? dab (ᛏ) 10:31, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even know who first added the bit about the lion.  But, just because you don't hold the viewpoint yourself, does not mean it is not "mainstream" as it was originally titled.  By trying to marginalize the mainstream viewpoint, as you are evidently doing, you're really barking up the wrong tree. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 14:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Identification

message: The section dealing with Kings mentions two of David's generals as Hittites (Ahimelekh and Uriah) The link for Ahimelekh talks about an Ahimelekh who was a decended to Eli the Priest, which would also make him a priest, a Kohen from the tribe of Levi and not a Hittite. Are these two different people? Omegarad 16:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ahimelekh

message: "In particular, Canaan is one of the sons of Ham, who is also said to be the ancestor of the Egyptians, and the Philistine. The sons of Canaan are given as Sidon, Heth, then the (ancestors of?) the Jebusites, Amorites, Girgasites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites, and the Hamathites."
:It is nowhere said that Ham is an Ancestor of the Egypts. There is only a people named Mizraim (or the like) who were much later identified with the Egypts by some religious sources. Another reason for that confustion may be Ham and Chem (the latter being the name the Egypts gave to themselves).--80.141.219.170 (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypts 

message: The Words by Jesus in Mt 5,13-16 "You can't hide a town placed in the heights" may reflect a remembrance of Hattusa, the capital of the Hittite empire, that was in fact placed in the top of a highland, and received all supplies from the territories they ruled. When the Hittite empire entered in a civil war as a result of the attempt to over-throne the legitimate king by one of his close relatives, and products for the basic needs no longer arrived there, the Hittites burnt everything in Hattusa, and run away. It's peculiar, but you find surnames that are phonetic cognates of words related to the Hittites in places such as the Spanish Baske country, where a prominent politician had the name: "Juan Maria Atutxa". Also a reference in the Old Testament exists, as pointed, in Ezekiel 16:3,45 "Jerusalem: your father was Amurrite, and your mother, Hittite".--Jgrosay (talk) 14:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, as with your message on Talk:Hittites, I think you are engaging in Original research.   I also recommend you read WP:TALK.  It explains that the purpose of these talk pages is not a general forum for editors to give our pet theories on a subject, but specifically, to discuss improvements to the article text, which should ideally be based on ideas already found in reliable sources. Thanks, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Hittites in the New Testament?

message: This is an argument based on one made by David Downs in Unwrapping the Pharoahs.
Hittite chronology has been dated mainly by Egyptian synchronisms (thus, Egyptian chronology defines Hittite chronology).  For example, the collapse of the Hittite empire is pegged at 1200BC by papyri and monumental evidence from the reign of Ramses III dated to 1180BC by the standard Egyptian chronology.  In these sources (researched by J. H. Breasted), Ramses claims victory over the "sea people," and more importantly, he states that the sea people had already annihilated the Hittites.
Meanwhile, at least the latter part of the Assyrian chronology has been dated separately using Babylonian and other Near and Middle Eastern synchronisms, including well-defined celestial events such as lunar and solar eclipses.  (The idea that the Egyptian chronology is anchored by the "Sothic cycle" is now largely discredited (Sir Alan Gardiner's "rags and tatters"), so Egyptologists really have no celestial events for anchors.
Now, tablets found at Hattusa document a set of wars with Assyria that are dated c. 13/14th century BC according to the Hittite (i.e., Egyptian) chronology.  However, Assyrian tablets from Nineveh dated fairly strongly to the 8th and 9th centuries BC state that Shalmaneser III and Sennacherib were at war with the very same Hittite kings named in the Hattusa tablets.
So, one of three things is happening: 1) this synchronism of wars is falsely identified; 2) the late Assyrian chronology is wrong by a number of centuries; or 3) the Egyptian chronology--and hence, the Hittite chronology--is wrong by a number of centuries, at least for the era of discussion.  If 1) or 2) is true, then everything proceeds as before.  If 3), then at least two conclusions are suggested for Anatolia.  First, the "Anatolian dark ages" never happened, which explains the lack of artifacts in that era (or vice versa: let the trowel people be vindicated). (The same is true for the "Greek dark ages," and so forth throughout the Mediterranean, Near, and Middle East.) Second, the idea of the "old" and "new" Hittites being one and the same takes on a new flavor.  Of course, the full implications for world history are staggering and beyond the scope of this comment.Tweedye (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

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message: I'm sure that this article is largely reliable, but it does not cite as many sources as I had hoped. Specifically, who were the initial scholars who discovered Hittite references? Pete unseth (talk) 03:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which scholars discovered Hittite references in late 19th century?