Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Creationism

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thread_title:  Intelligent design articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release 

message: WikiProject Young Earth Creationism is on the verge of going live, if you are interested in joining please follow the link above.  We will be cooperating extensively with this WikiProject..--Novus Orator  06:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This purported 'Wikiproject' has not been proposed (let alone accepted) via the proper forum, WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals -- it therefore has no legitimate existence. It has only a single member/creator (who 'retired' one account (User:Gniniv) and created another part way through creating this purported 'Wikiproject'). It has therefore been userfied, per consultation with another experienced editor (Hans Adler) on its talkpage. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikiproject has been proposed here, and it is in the process of getting members...--Novus Orator  06:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only after it was userfied. And I would note that you have failed to create a normal proposal (example: WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cambridgeshire) for it. I would also suggest editors read this comment and view Terra Novus/Gniniv's past activities before joining. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just took a look at their contributions and what I saw supported my initial hunch: there is a pattern of supporting pseudosciences of all stripes. For example, there's Interpretive science, which is some sort of postmodern joke. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to hold that opinion. Wikipedia welcomes editors of all backgrounds. Feel free to consider joining this project once it gets going so we have a critical perspective..--Novus Orator  07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The normal proposal has been created here. Please move all discussion there..--Novus Orator  07:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:YEC]]

message: *This idea has been raised twice in the past, with no dissent, but with very little comment:
**WT:WikiProject intelligent design/Archive 2#Project scope by John Carter
**WT:WikiProject intelligent design/Archive 4#A creationism wikiproject? by myself.
*The idea has been raised again in WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/WikiProject Young Earth Creationism#Discussion.
I am therefore raising it a third time, so "speak now or forever hold your peace" -- WP:SILENCE will apply.
My rationales for this are:
#Taking WP:MERGE as vaguely-relevant, rationales #2 'Overlap' -- ID is explicitly a 'big tent' creationist movement, and has many YECs & OECs in its fold; #4 'Context' -- ID can best be described as one of the more recent evolutions of Creationism, not as a movement that sprang forth without any precursors.
#The fact that the IDM movement generally doesn't even explicitly mention ID any more -- using code-phrases like 'strengths and weaknesses' and 'academic freedom' instead.
#The fact that most ID articles are fairly stable, and in a number of cases becoming somewhat stale, due to lack of ongoing coverage -- resulting in their being merged into more general articles.
#The fact that many editors active on ID are already active on Creationism generally.
HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formal proposal to expand this Wikiproject to the wider topic of creationism 

message: * HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Supporting

message: *As the proposed expansion seems likely to pass, I've taken the liberty of creating a proposed revised template to reflect this expansion at , which has ID & YEC as task forces within the project. Most of the links from it are of course red-linked, until a post-expansion rename, but if anybody wants to check the syntax (and/or debate any underlying assumptions), I'd be happy for the input. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: An Image discussion is ongoing at Template talk:Intelligent Design#Image in template regarding the watch image used. If changed, IMO the change should also be rolled out to the following:
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KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 01:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image discussion 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Creationism/Articles hasn't been updated in three years. And to be honest, I don't really think keeping it up to date is worth the trouble -- that's what categories are for. I'm therefore WP:BOLDly tagging it as 'historical' & removing tasks related to it from the project page. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles page 

message: Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Sternberg.Wolfview (talk) 10:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Project AfD

message: I recently removed a month-old drive-by/undiscussed merger proposal from Talk.origins & TalkOrigins Archive‎. The editor in question seems intent of reinstating it, in spite of being still disinterested in actually discussing the thing. This editor is the same one that I locked horns with on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/True.Origin Archive (2nd nomination) fiasco, so cooler heads would probably be a good idea. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Hi there. I noticed that "Category:FA-Class Creationism articles" has 2 featured articles, but they don't show up on the WikiProject's assessment page. I have no idea why that is, but I thought I'd let you guys know just in case it's a problem. —tktktk 00:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured articles? 

message: Shouldn't Relationship between religion and science be on the list, too? Wekn reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 11:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the tiny fraction of said relationship that is 'Creationism', I would personally say no. But probably it is more a case of nobody within the Wikiproject considering that article sufficiently relevant, and sufficiently in need of patrolling (it's already, independently, on my, and I would suspect numerous other Wikiproject members', watchlists) to warrant inclusion. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: O.k., Thank you. It was just a thought. Wekn reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 14:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Article? 

message: Did you know that WikiProject Creationism was trapped in the 20th century? I didn't. Speaking for myself, I'm not in favour of a heavily subpage-based project page (it means more pages to keep track of on my watchlist). And it'd be nice if Arlen22 did us the courtesy of discussing a proposed major restructure here before starting work on it. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then let's discuss it. If you don't like it, I don't have to. I could probably use my skills just as good to help maintain the current page. You're right, it is more pages to keep track of. Hey, whatever, it's up to you. Arlen22 (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that this project is generally fairly quiet (most of the real excitement occurs on article talk, not here), I'm in favour of applying the KISS principle as much as is possible. I went through and updated most of the project page at the start of the year when the scope was expanded. I'm also really not a fan of lime-green. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the lime-green can be changed. As for KISS, sounds great. We can always tweak this to make it look better if need be. I agree that at this rate there isn't a whole lot of benefit anyway. Arlen22 (talk) 21:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparently we've been caught in a timewarp 

message: Parody
Advocacy of Intelligent Design is indistinguishable from parody of advocacy of Intelligent Design
I'm not sure where this came from, but it doesn't seem to be working. Wekn reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 08:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Legal
National Center for Science Education Evolution Education and the Law
Nor is this one (err. 404). Wekn reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 08:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks! Wekn reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 13:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link 

message: The conflict level on  has gotten to a sufficient level that I've decided that the best thing for me to do is to take a self-imposed (and thus purely voluntary) topic-ban on the article. I am therefore requesting that any Creationism regulars who have the time (and particularly any who have better grace under fire than I do) to take an interest. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 11:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: DonaldRichardSands: you really have no judgement or self-filtering mechanism whatsoever do you? I self-topic-banned myself in large part to avoid further losing my temper at your endless incompetence -- so what do you do? You follow me to a Wikiproject you are not even a member of to intrude yourself further. Your endless trivia, endless WP:DEADHORSEing, and endless wilful ignorance of policy will not be missed by me. Any regulars on here who wish to understand my anger should take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leonard R. Brand -- an AfD that DRS scuttled with his endless endlesssness. I value competence, clarity and conciseness -- concepts that appear to be entirely foreign to DRS -- which is perhaps why the guy acts like kryptonite on me. I know you mean well -- but please keep away from me. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

text: *Okay. For the record, I did not follow you here. The Brand article is/should be part of this project's interest. Without checking the bottom of the page, I started a new section, posted it, found that there was already a section started by you. I put my message below yours. You have made it very clear that you need a break. I respect that. I have no wish to upset you. Sorry. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Then might I suggest that you get yourself into the habit of reading a talkpage before you post, particularly if you are doing so for the first time. It reduces your chances of putting your foot in it -- something we all do from time to time. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Thanks. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 14:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonard R. Brand 

message: User:Hrafn has without discussion turned that article on the PACE resolution with the respective title into a redirect page to Creation and evolution in public education and was not convinced to change the position during our discussion on the relevant talk page. According to Hrafn's suggestion, I've currently incorporated the information in (the relevant section) of Creation and evolution in public education. However, I still propose to maintain The dangers of creationism in education as a separate article for the following reasons:
*The sources mentioned show wide attention both from different sides of the debate and from mainstream media and mainstream confessions to the resolution and reports preceding it.
*There is already a French Wikipedia article on that specific resolution (:fr:Les dangers du créationnisme dans l'éducation) and lots of en.wiki articles on resolutions of international organisations (:Category:United Nations General Assembly resolutions).
*The article Creation and evolution in public education becomes too long.Fuseau (talk) 21:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate existence of the article ''The dangers of creationism in education'' 

message: I've been putting some work into the Transitional fossil. Should I add this to the WIkiproject Creationism? I'm not sure. If so what level of importance would it have?  
I have recently removed the section detailing "Creationist arguments" from the article. I argued that there are other articles that discuss the controversy, and that this article should focus only on transitional fossils. I am working on expanding the examples in the article and improving it so it eventually gets GA or FA status. Right now its going through copy-editing. After that will be peer review. See these recent discussions for more information:
* Removing Creationist arguments section
* NPOV on Creationist Arguments Section
* Transitional fossil#Improving the article
--Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transitional fossil article improvement 

message: * Wikipedia:Peer_review/Transitional_fossil/archive1
* Transitional fossil
It is a very important subject, and I wish to take it to GA/FA status in the future. Input from members of this wikiproject would be highly valued. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transitional Fossil peer-review 

message: I am proposing two new subcategories of :Category:Chrsitian creationists:
*:Category:Young earth creationists, and within it:
**:Category:Creation scientists
Discussion of this proposal can be found at Category talk:Creationists#Proposed subcats. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 08:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new Creationist sub-cats 

message: There is now a proposed general Manual of Style for Religion and other articles relating to ethoses or belief systems at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Manual of style. Any input would be welcome. I personally believe at least one of the reasons why many articles in this field have been as contentious as they have been is because of lack of such guidelines, and would very much welcome any input from others to help come up with some generally acceptable solutions to some of these problems. John Carter (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed MOS for Religion 

message: Hi! I have listed Flying Spaghetti Monster for peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Flying Spaghetti Monster/archive1. any input on how to improve the article would be very much appreciated. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review of [[Flying Spaghetti Monster]] 

message: I hadn't seen the discussion notice a few sections up, but I recently created  and would appreciate help populating it. Many articles in  don't say one way or another if the subject is Old Earth or New Earth, though. --BDD (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New category for Old Earth Christian creationists 

message: Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in commenting at Talk:Creation Museum#RfC: "Biblical" or "Mythical" and "museum" or "facility"?. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:26, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC of interest 

message: I have proposed to merge this wikiproject and 12 others to a new wikiproject. Please see the proposal. IRWolfie- (talk) 19:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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message: I have submitted the article Kent Hovind for peer review. He is an American evangelist and creationist. If you have time please give your thoughts on the article. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kent Hovind peer review 

message: A discussion about Creation Museum is underway at Talk:Creation_Museum#accreditation. – S. Rich (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC re Creation Museum 

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