Talk:Dungan language

message: According to Endangered Languages, Dungan is an endangered language and its level of vitality is "Vulnerable". Does anyone mind verifying it before I try to add it in? --N6EpBa7Q (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Dungan an Endangered Language?

message: I am just wondering if there are any websites in the Dungan language in Cyrillic script.   Thank you!  --Roland 03:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are There Any Websites in the Dungan Language in Cyrillic Script? 

message: Do they actually use the letters "Ң" and "ң"? What sound does it represent? I read documents that they record the "ng" sound with two characters "N"+"G" instead of a special character.--Tomchiukc 18:26, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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message: I found two interesting links on Dungan language online, in case anyone with free time wants to expand on this stub or wants some further reading.
Omniglot: Dungan Alphabet This page shows the letters of the Dungan alphabet. According to the website, "khueuzwu yuuyan, means 'the language of the Hui People' - 回族语言 in the Chinese script". Information and pictures from the site can be used for non-commercial purposes, if the original Omniglot page is cited.
Dungan Script and Language Reform This link contains an essay on the use of a phonetic alphabet to write a Chinese language, and the adaptations made to do so, arguing why a Chinese alphabet isn't an unfeasible idea. Throughout the essay, the author describes many details and specifics on the Dungan language, and has text samples.
--Yuje 09:13, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Further reading

message: Is "khueuzwu yuuyan" cognate to "回族語言"? Might be useful to indicate this, if true. -- CaliforniaAliBaba
:Yes it is, except it would be written in Cyrillic, not Hanzi) or Roman alphabet.--Yuje 15:22, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
::If someone could supply the Cyrillic form for the language box, I'd be grateful. I was tempted to write "Хуеузў үүян" on the basis of the transliteration provided at , but I don't know if that's actually correct. --Angr/ 11:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Uh, dunno. Since both of our sources (admittedly, that's just Omniglot and Ethnologue) claim Хуэйзў йүян, I'd say leaving it as that makes more sense until someone can point to some real books on the subject. Though to be honest, I can't imagine that an ethnic group in a Russian-speaking country would actually use the name Хуэйзў very long (given the visual resemblance of the first syllable to a very famous item of impolite language). cab 13:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, this book review claims that, as far as the ethnic autonym goes, the Dungan call themselves "Хуэйзў", and "Дунган" was the name that others give them. (This agrees with what Dungan says too.) I'm starting to lean towards the position that we should list the native name of the language as Хуэйзў йүян. cab 13:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-added Хуэйзў йүян Xuejzw jyian to the article, forgetting that there had been this discussion here. However, it seems that this is indeed their autonym. — Gareth Hughes 13:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autonym 

message: Should the ISO 639-2 tag of Dungan be zho (Chinese) instead of SIT (generic Sino-Tibetan)? --Hello World! 11:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard says it's SIT. AFAIK ZHO is not used as a collective code. cab 16:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ISO 639-2 tag

message: As this is the English wikipedia, a romanized reading of each letter ought to be included in the chart of the alphabet.  The reading differs from the standard, you know, when the Cyrillic alphabet is adapted to non-Russian languages.  This information is included in the Omniglot page.  Can somebody proficient in IPA add a reading intelligible to English speakers?  Until this is done, I will add the transliteration from the Mair document--Javiskefka 23:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabet

message: Can arabic script be added to the chart? Xiao'erjing equivalency would be nice. 70.55.84.6 06:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  arabic script 

message: Can chinese equivalency be provided for the chart? In bopomofo and pinyin, and chinese characters used for phonetics. 70.55.84.6 06:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I highly doubt they standardized the Dungan Cyrillic writing system on modern Mandarin, so it shouldn't be possible. --Voidvector (talk) 20:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese equivalency 

message: The Russian and Japanese articles on this topic are more comprehensive, suggest translation. --Voidvector 08:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian/Japanese translation needed 

message: If in Dungan writing, tone marks or indicators are not shown, then how are you suppose to distinguish between words that are spelt the same!!? It is a tonal language and being able to distinguish the tones is the most important aspect. How do Dungan speakers tell apart those words then if there are no tone marks with the Cyrillic letters??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.180.90 (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's gonna be confusing with stuff like "shishi", which could be 事实(fact), 实事(factual story), 事事(everything), 时事(current events), 时时(from time to time), 失实 (discrepancy), 世事(life's story), 实施 (implement), etc etc. There are like 10 more words with this same sound but different tone.--Voidvector (talk) 23:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point. To be honest, I don't know to which extent the above homophone set (ignoring tones) appears in Dungan, or even to which extent the ambiguity would actually be confusing to a Chinese reader reading an actual meaningful baihua text in pinyin. (I suppose you speak Chinese, but my Chinese is not much better than my Dungan, that is pretty much non-existent -- so I can't judge). The small Dungan-Russian dictionary (ca. 150 pages) I've seen lists "шысы" (tones I-III; 'fact', 事实), "шысы" (tones II-III; Russian: 'мирное дело' = 'a peaceful affair/business'; Chinese: ??), "шысы" (tones III-III; 'event'),  "сышы" (III-I, 四十, 'forty'), "сышы" (III-III, 'обстоятельство' = 'circumstance', 事势 ?), as well as the adjectives "шышырди" (tones 1-1-1, 'completely wet'; 湿湿儿的 ?) and "шысысуйди" (十四岁的, 14-year-old), plus the adverb "сысы-кики" (III-III-I-I, 'constantly, all the time', 时时兮兮 ?). So the number of homographs is reduced because some Pinyin "shi" syllables appear in Dungan as "сы" rather than "шы". But then of course this would also bring the "si"-in-Pinyin morphemes into the homographic mix. As far as I know, there is not all that much writing actually done in Dungan (it's a small community, and well-literate in Russian), but I wonder if those who do write it have to sometimes be extra careful in word choice on account of the homography... Vmenkov (talk) 08:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone Marks 

message: Here's Chinese documentary with portion on Dungan on YT. I am posting for those who are interested in hearing how the language sounds. http://www.youtube.com/user/beifeng126 . I don't think the uploader has the right to upload those video, so I wouldn't link it in the article.  --72.229.231.53 (talk) 04:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting how the conversation is carried out. The conversation about family life was very intelligible to a mandarin speaker. However the conversation with the elder about history was barely intelligble. Instead of a perfectly casual converation (using pronouns), often the parties would what repeat other said to make sure they understand correctly. --209.122.208.139 (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube 

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message: It'd be nice to see examples with Dungan script and IPA to better see what the language actually looks like when written. Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 07:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples?