Talk:Exit counseling

message: This article seems to have a potential pro-cult, or at least anti-anti-cult slant. Samrolken 05:20, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to have an anti-anti cult slant. Andries 16:19, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: To my knowledge, CAN introduced the term in order to distance itself from crimes committed by the deprogrammers, improve the image of the occupation and to seek recognition similar to that of psychoanasys. I think that it would probably make sense to add a history of exit counselling. (ExitControl)
There is no danger in confusing something defined as "voluntary deprogramming" as involuntary, so I don't see why this article is non-neutral.--Tengen 02:04, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Tengen, true, I did not think of that, but deprogramming is illegal and has a negative connotation so I think it incorrect to say that exit-coundelling is voluntary deprogramming. I changed it accordingly. Andries 09:00, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In Recovery from Cults (working on an entry for the book in the article) it states in chapter 8 Exit Counseling A Practical Overview:"Exit counseling is distinguished from deprogramming, which received much media coverage in the late 1970s and 1980s, in that the former is a voluntary process, whereas the latter is currently associated with a temporary restraint of the cultist." The contributors to that section are: David Clark, Carol Giambalvo, Noel Giambalvo,M.S., Kevin GGarvey, Michael Langone, Ph.D.* I dare say too that many that suffered the deprogramming process often seemed to need help in recovering from that trauma. Deprogramming is a violation in my opinion on ones civil liberties without due process and is a violent process. I am also looking into peer-exit counseling as that seems to be an over looked area too and one that in my opinion seems in line with standard peer counseling in general.PEACETalkAbout 16:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Makes deprogramming seem natural. Skirts over renaming issue. 
Depicts deprogrammer Rick Ross as following a code of ethics? He's the guy who talked the FBI and ATF into double-crossing the Branch Davidians and attacking Waco with a tank and incendiary grenades.!
:The content of the information involves usually the family concerns which were the reason for the exit counseling, the nature of mind control, doctrinal, ideological and organizational issues of the respective group, including especially information which is usually not available to followers like an analysis of internal group documents.
Using the word "information" in this context implies that its true information" - same with "analysis".
And "nature of mind control" means the unsupported theory that cults use mind control - repudiated by the APA as "not scientific".
We should not be slam-dunking the deprogrammers (renamed innocuousoly exit counselors) perhaps, but we certainly should not be white-washing them either. Uncle Ed 04:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Steve Hassan wrote in his book "Breaking the bonds" that in the case of exit counseling you have to be careful, because otherwise the cultist will simply walk away. In other words, this indicates that Hassan's method of exit counselling is 100% voluntary. Andries 07:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Totally disputed