Talk:Final Fantasy/Archive 3

message: Can the image of the "three overworld sprites" of Culex be taken out? Perhaps if it were just one image of the sprite, that'd be fine, but to have three sprites that look exactly the same... it seems odd. Also, the placement of the image is a bit distracting in contrast to the text.
Quietchild 05:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is because the section was just added.  Frankly, I would rather see the section deleted than expanded. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 01:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural refrences

message: For some reason, when Final Fantasy is typed in on Search, it redirects you to a page linking to "Insert Key," or at least on my computer.  I managed to change this (I think, anyway) but I was wondering how it happened.80.229.151.116 16:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Insert Key

message: Is anyone aware of this page's creation?  To my understanding this page should not exist, and I haven't seen any discussion for it's creation.  It was also inserted into the FF Navbox without discussion.  --Daedalus 20:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Summons in the Final Fantasy series]] 

message: In the article it states that there are no random monster encounters while flying.  However, in the re-released version of Final Fantasy III, it is possible to have encounters while flying, they are just very rare.  And, also, I am fairly ceertian that in Final Fantasy VI, there may be encounters while flying (or perhaps that was just a boss?).  Please confirm this. RHSB Scipio 20:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a mistake indeed. There were random encounters in the original FFIII on NES too (the last airship even helps you by bombing the enemies at the start of each aerial encounter). In FFVI, there's the boss Doomgaze which appears randomly until you defeat him. Kariteh 22:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fights while flying 

message: How about this sentence: As of Winter 2006, twelve games have been released as part of the main (numbered) series. - Has the person who wrote this actually taken Final Fantasy X-2 into account ? Kwyxz 17:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: X-2 is considered a sequal/spin-off and not part of the main (numbered) series.  Similar in concept to Dirge of Cerberus being a sequal, yet not part of the main series.  --Daedalus 17:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? Is considered by who? Kariteh 20:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main NUMBERED series is the wording, is it not? As in, those with the original numbering system, currently one through twelve. It should be pretty obvious. Nique talk 20:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only obvious because you use your definition of the term. It could be absolutely acceptable to say that FFX-2 is a numbered title. FFT is not a numbered title; FFXII Revenant Wings is technically numbered but yeah it's not a main numbered title; FFX-2 on the other hand is an ambiguous case. Kariteh 20:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: However, "main (numbered) series" refers to the main (numbered) games. X-2 is not part of the main series, it is a sequel to one of the games. It should no more be counted in the main, numbered series than Dirge of Cerberus or any of the other handful of games that Final Fantasy VII has spawned. Nique talk 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I tend to consider X-2 as a piece of the main series, but DoC or CC (for example) as gaidens. I agree this is POV, though. Kwyxz 00:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the whole matter is POV dependent. But there's a reason why DoC is not named "FFVII-2" for instance while FFX-2 is named like that. Kariteh 09:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: About Daedalus' points: FFX-2 does have its own number. It's simple logic: X, and 2. See? It even has TWO numbers. FFX-2 is different from RW and DoC simply because of its title. RW is not named "FFXII-2" and DoC not "FFVII-2". It's just a matter of naming. As a not-so-unrelated example, let's take Vagrant Story: that game takes place in Valendia in FFXII's world, it's definitely a game taking place in Ivalice, yet we all agree that it's not an FF game. As for FFX-2 and FFXII RW, they are both sequels to a main numbered title of the series, but the fact that FFX-2 is called X-2 and not FFX:Subtitle makes its classification ambiguous. Kariteh 09:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "It's just a matter of naming." Sorry if I'm taking this too far out of context, but if this is your opinion, then they're all just sequels/companions, and they aren't part of the main series. Either way, X-2's number only comes from X, it doesn't have one of the main numbers. There are only twelve games released under the main numbers, hence the article's statement to that effect, and thus it should stay that way until XIII is released. Nique talk 11:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Fine, you wanna play the name game, I can do that too.  The main numbered series refers to the games that are denoted with numerals.  FFVII has its own numeral.  FFX has its own numeral.  FFX-2 does not have its own numeral.  See?  My point is "a rose by any other name smells as sweet".  It may be titled FFX-2 and have a "2" instead of a subtitle, but it's still a sequal.  Same thing.  It can only be counted as part of the main numbered series if you choose to inclued DoC:FFVII and FFXII:RW as well, and we're already agreed that they can't be part of the "main numbered series", so by precedent we should all be in agreement that neither can FFX-2.  --Daedalus 22:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't it be perfectly fine to solve this dispute by just removing that sentence?  I see no reason in telling the readers how many numbered games there are, people can see for themselves in a list down there.  We have no information loss in the article by taking it out, and the sentence itself disputive.  If people insist on having something similar, why not use "As of March 2007, the latest numbered title is Final Fantasy XII."? MythSearchertalk 15:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, primarily because I see the issue of which games to count as what some philosophers call an "empty question", i.e. one where people could (and do!) agree on all the relevant facts, and yet still come up with different answers. This means there is no fact of the matter. So there's no point in including a statement that suggests there is. PurplePlatypus 20:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I second this as well. Thanks :-) Kwyxz 10:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections from me, but I am worried that the issue will reappear when someone in the future wishes to insert a similar setence.  --Daedalus 19:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Point him/her to the talk page(which means here). Let him/her read this discussion himself/herself. MythSearchertalk 03:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the debate over what "counts" as part of the series is an empty and mostly pointless question.  But, I see nothing wrong with saying that among the final fantasy games in the series, there are 12 games numbered FFI-FFXII.  Can we not jus assert that the series includes those 12 games, while avoiding the question of what other games "count"?  Nimrand 03:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the motion, this prevents us from using POV and impossible to back claims, while still asserting the facts about the numerals I-XII.  How about:  "There are currently 12 numbered iterations of the series, as well as various sequals and spin-offs."  This includes FFX-2 as part of the sequals and not necessarily discluded from the numbered iterations, and it does not specify anything about a "main series" let alone what is and isn't part of it.  --Daedalus 16:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks good!  I made a few tweaks, but I'm not sure if I went too far or not.  Should the overview mention iterations of the franchise beyond video games, or limit itself to just video games?  --Daedalus 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love it this way. Nicely done guys.--Kwyxz 15:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of games in the series 

message: This needs to be nipped in the bud before it turns into a huge cruft list. One sentence is fine, stating "The series has been featured in popular culture and other games", and maybe a mention of kingdom hearts. A link to a site listing all instances of the series in popular culture is also good here. But nip it in the bud, please. — Deckiller 15:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire section was originally created for the sole purpose of talking about the Mario RPG thing.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing this entire section just get deleted outright.  I don't see what an indiscriminate list like this adds to the article, anyway.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 16:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. — Deckiller 16:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Cultural references"

message: The main theme is not Prelude, as it is not in every Final Fantasy, do some research. The main theme is actually called FINAL FANTASY(yes all capitals), and DOES appear in every game including spin offs, whether it is the intro, during the game, or in the credits it is the only song to appear in every final fantasy game and movie.
Signed, Annonymous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.110.31.215 (talk • contribs).
:Can you produce a citation for that claim? wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 04:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, soon at least, i'm at school, i will cite some sources once i get home. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.20.32.173 (talk) 13:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, I don't see anywhere in the article saying main theme is the Prelude. BTW, it's in every FF, numbered as far as I'm concerned, all during the opening, VIII in the Game Over screen, X in the Opening Scene as a modern synth version, and there's even a short one in FF:Unlimited. Edit: The FINAL FANTASY main theme, well, FFT, FFTA, FF Movie and FFX-2 seems doubtful, so good luck finding source =D Bluerです。 なにか? 22:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.
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#Final Fantasy (series) is meant to disambiguate from Final Fantasy (video game).  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 19:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Final Fantasy (series) is meant to disambiguate from Final Fantasy (video game).  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 19:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: # See my comment below wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 13:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral

message: Should it be added that recently Square stated that they are planning on re-releasing remakes of old games and creating sequels to them?--67.174.128.249 16:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remakes