Talk:László Tőkés

message: T. L. is not a former member of udmr, he is member of this party!!!!!!1
:Nope, he has left it in early 2007, and keeps cursing it ever since.  Dahn 22:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The current wording,
:a Romanian-born Hungarian politician
is misleading. It suggests T. represents Hungary in the European Parliament, when actually he represents Romania. In English usage, a hyphenated ETHNICITY-CITIZENSHIP construct is common. This seems to make the most sense. Alternatively I would suggest a long version along the lines of, 
:a Romanian politician of Hungarian ethnicity
or
:an ethnically Hungarian politician of Romania
—ThorstenNY (talk) 01:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right ThorstenNY, he still lives in Oradea, Romania and his office is also in Oradea. I don't know (yet) if he has dual citizenship but regardless of the fact that he was chosen to represent FIDESZ (a party from Hungary) during the EU elections he is still a Romanian politician who is very close to the Hungarian People's Party of Transylvania. Fakirbakir (talk) 08:37, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying. I didn’t know he was elected from Hungary. Your wording is fine (and certainly correct), but perhaps we could expand it further to clearly explain that he is in fact representing Hungary in the European Parliament. Also, if we could source info on which citizenships he holds, I think that would be informative. —ThorstenNY (talk) 18:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian-Romanian politician 

message: Jmabel you've done a great work but at first I thought it a copyvio too because of the strange way of citations. I think it is totally enough to indicate the reference at the bottom of the page. 
If you have time try to continue the story. A hard issue because the bishop have become a controversial figure since then.  It is very important to create a neutral text because that former paragraph wasn't deleted without good reasons. Zello 23:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that he has been a very controversial figure. I would love to see someone do some good research on him post-'89; I was working from an academic source about the revolution. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

message: This somewhat odd edit removes the claim that his young son was killed in the Revolution. Does anyone have anything solid on this? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Son

message: Since your profile says you live in Budapest, you could not have seen those TV broadcasts. I did. Since you have <<serious doubts about these "facts">> it means you are calling me a liar. Is that so?
No, but Tőkés' statements are often distorted. It is possible that he said "minorities who took violent means to achieve their goals like Albanians in Kosovo were successful but the peaceful Hungarians are ignored by the Romanian majority and world." A malicious media-interpreter easily changes the meaning of sentences like that. I've heard thousend times speaking Tőkés in the Hungarian media and he never encouraged violence. Zello 04:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Zello 

message: Okay, but the character is a radical/extremist by any definition. I have researched and compiled a certain number of quoted texts from official websites which prove that. They are Hungarian, Romanian, Macedonian, American and other websites. Where can I paste the quotes with their sources?
Laszlo Tokes' profile simply states his date of bith, etc, but numerous international quotes credit him as an extremist, so, I believe its fair to mention that on his profile. WikiRaptor 12:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the quotations are available on line, just link rather than copying. If the list is massive, you might consider editing it down to the relevant material yourself before posting. If you are certain that something massive is relevant, you might start a page with a name like Talk:László Tőkés/Additional materials, put them there, and link from here; then people can work together to work out what belongs in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 06:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokes 

message: Instead of "Bishop of Királyhágómellék" I would say "Bishop of Oradea" as many people don't know what Királyhágómellék (Romanian: Piatra Craiului, the name of a mountain East of Oradea) is, but heard about the city of Oradea (Hungarian: Nagyvarad), where the headquarters of the bishopric is situated.
I wonder if Deletant is right about the fact that Tokes collaborated with the bishop of the Romanian Orthodox Church on a festival in spring 1989. I made my own research on this subject and published a book (in Romanian)http://procesulcomunismului.com/marturii/fonduri/mmioc/revmistere/default.asp.htm
In the disscussion with me, neither Tokes or other witnesses didn't mention that such a joint Reformed-Orthodox festival was done before the Revolution. Marius 13 august 2006
Királyhágómellék is the official name of the ecclesial unit, Tőkés is simply not called Bishop of Oradea. Zello 00:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the Orodea thing: perhaps a parenthetical remark is in order, "(usually referred to in the Romanian press as bishop of Orodea)"? - Jmabel | Talk 23:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I added the reference about Hungarian-language theatre "Thalia", corrected the number of deaths in the Revolution and put bishop of Oradea, with explanation that the official name is Királyhágómellék. Is necesary to use "bishop of Oradea" as in the same sentence Laszlo Papp is refered as "bishop of Oradea", and it should be clear for readers that we are talking about the same thing. Marius 19 august 2006
Why should http://timisoara.com/newmioc/69.htm be considered more authoritative than Deletant's citation of Adevărul? It appears to be a personal web site. Not only that, but if you go one level up the directory hierarchy it says (I apologize in advance for reproducing this, but it is to the point) "What do YOU want here ???? DICK HEAD I'll take you to the right place, don't try look in here, is not for you." This does not exactly suggest a site that ought to be taken seriously as a reliable source. Even if there is a case for saying it is reliable, I don't see a reason to replace the other citation and numbers rather than just state that there is a disagreement and give both. - Jmabel | Talk 07:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I took the data from Timisoara's Military Prosecutor's Office, those are the official data. There is a disscussion about a small number of unidentified victims - for some medico-legal certificates of people who were incinerated in Bucharest there is no clear who they are, in the same time they are some people considered killed in the revolution without a medico-legal certificate. Is possible that those people without certificates match with the certificates of "unidentified" victims, but this is not proved 100%. Depending on the fact we consider or not the "unidentified" victims the same as the victims without a certificate, and that we add or not some unclear cases, the number of deaths in Timişoara Revolution is between 90 and 95. Surely is not 122. Deletant probabily took a list where were added people from Timiş county killed during the Revolution in other parts of Romania, people killed in other cities around Timişoara which were in the jurisdiction of Timişoara's military prosecutor office, people who committed suicide or were killed in that period in accidents and double-counted some names (wrong spelled and considered a separate person).--MariusM 17:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Oradea (Nagyvarad) or Királyhágómellék?; Joint Reformed-Orthodox festival before the 1989 Revolution?''' 

message: This is capitalist English Wiki ;) --84.234.60.154 (talk) 18:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Militia" should be police 

message: Removed Military History tag as article is out of scope. --dashiellx (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: Under this link you can find an official CV of Tökés, citing that he is a recipient of the Leopold Kunschak Prize. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/39726/LASZLO_TOKES_cv.html Regards Frodo013 (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leopold Kunschak Prize 

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message: In which one(s) did he sit in Europarl? Kaihsu (talk) 10:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political groups?