Talk:Ghost Town, Oakland, California

message: This article seriously needs some references, i have never heard of ghosttown, but it probably exists if it hasnt been deleted for now, is there a ghosttown council? community organization? website? newspaper coverage? mention on a map? what is it? who lives there? one sentance is not much to do research to add content for it. =( help...anyone?CholgatalK! 02:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: There is no consensus for deletion, the RFC is still active, by deleting the reference, you are not letting the people who are coming to the page to review the reference be able to see it. Others are reverting the page to be able to see the reference. Please show patience and let the RFC play out. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no consensus on the subject. Without clear consensus for deletion, the link should be retained to allow other interested parties (as well as anyone who might benefit from a definition of the area) see what the details are that are up for discussion. Alansohn 17:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry; the burden of proof here is on he or she who places the reference, not those who are disputing it, so it should stay out. In any case, as the RfC is still active as was pointed out above, interested parties can easily look at it for themselves via the article history and decide if it is viable or not. +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. A whole dang edit war over a ref. Sad, sad, sad. ILike2BeAnonymous is being disruptive; there was no need to remove the reference if it was being discussed in the talk page and consensus had not been reached. Please do not remove the reference again until consensus is reached, or you'll see this page listed at WP:RFPP and your name at WP:ANI. --Agüeybaná 21:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it is already decided that the reference should be removed. I don't understand why we have to wait. But I guess I will have to since there is a temporary consensus for keeping the reference. Chris! ct 21:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Decided"?? By whom? You guys? That's not exactly consensus. --Agüeybaná 22:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not decided by us?? Then what you think consensus mean? Chris! ct 02:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: OK. I've read the discussion here, and I have two comments: 1.) ILike2BeAnonymous and User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )'s edit warring was completely unnecessary and hurtful to the encyclopedia. Please remember that discussion and consensus is key to making Wikipedia work. 2.) The reference is unreliable, IMO, and the article looks rather hoax-y; I could find no references to verify the information in this article, other than the disputed reference. Final suggestion: Wait for more people to review this article, or take this to AfD. Happy editing! --Agüeybaná 22:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So how long do you suggest waiting? Something longer than the time Ben Franklin advised for stinking fish and unwelcome guests, I take it? +ILike2BeAnonymous 22:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL </sarcasm> Whatever you see fit. --Agüeybaná 23:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC

message: *Keep He seems a reliable source, as a teacher, and someone who lived in the area, and built a commune there. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal vote

message: I restored the quote function, as you see, someone removed a reference because they didn't see the reference to Ghosttown in a massive website. The quote function is very useful on many levels. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote function in citations

message: I deleted this section because it has no direct relation to Ghosttown. The program is for the whole Oakland, and Ghosttown is merely listed in it, with no encyclopedic information for this artcle. We cannot write articles about things by describing each and every topic the thing is mentioned in. We must include only what really desribes the obect of the article. Mukadderat 03:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The exact quote is: "[The City-County Neighborhood Initiative is] a program run by the City of Oakland Division of Neighborhood Services operates in two neighborhoods, in Ghost Town in West Oakland and Sobrante Park in East Oakland." Perhaps you are confusing it with the citywide "Measure Y" campaign. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 04:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *The source describes it as an initiative aimed at two neighborhoods. The relationship to Ghosttown couldn't be any more direct. Alansohn 05:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: City of Oakland programs

message: Both RFCs are now closed? what was the outcome? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC

message: I am temp removing the ref for:
I cant see the ref in Google in a search, and I found enough other ones in the SFC to not need it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alaska

message: Searching for "Ghost Town" and Oakland found many more hits, so I am changing the spelling, and adding the new references. It can always be reverted back. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ghosttown vs Ghost Town

message: *Oppose Distinct are with distinct characteristics. Alansohn (talk) 12:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I know that the West Oakland article describes it as such, but it really is too big to be considered a neighborhood. IMO, it's actually a portion/area of Oakland, such as East and North Oakland. Bash Kash (talk) 06:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to West Oakland

message: Since there's an ongoing dispute over several articles about Oakland neighborhoods and whether these articles (mostly about very small areas, or in some cases about housing projects), I'd like to propose a guide for which entities should be considered valid for inclusion as neighborhoods.
The Oakland Museum of California has a very nice web page that lets one browse a map of the city and look at neighborhoods and districts. (Caution: requires Flash.) I'd like to suggest that since this map has been compiled by an eminently reputable source, the Museum, that it can serve as a pretty good guide to whether a neighborhood in Oakland actually exists and should be included here. +ILike2BeAnonymous (talk) 06:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested guide for inclusion of Oakland neighborhoods 

message: The coordinates need the following fixes:
* Write here
The latitude is set for the other side of the world, making off the coast of China. 
Correct version: 37° 49′ 22.62″ N, 122° 16′ 17.26″ W
71.225.137.122 (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: Doesnt it seem odd that the article is not called Foster Hoover Historic District? The article states that this is the formal name for the region, while ghost town is informal. Now, maybe its currently called ghost town more often than foster hoover, but we arent a social networking site/cultural hub, we are an encyclopedia. If we have reliable sources and a history on foster hoover, the names should be reversed, and ghost town listed as an alternate name.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: +1. "Ghost Town" is informal, and I'm also not sure how common it is. More Google search results seem to refer to Hoover-Foster (or some variation of order/punctuation). Npdoty (talk) 05:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Foster Hoover

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