Talk:Hans Island/Archive 1

message: http://www.pbase.com/jevski/invasion_canada found these on some forum...
--N0rton 13:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pics 

message: maybe of some interest:
http://www.canada.com/maritimes/news/story.html?id=8d00bf80-9d05-4877-95fc-ced24b1b43ce
"Google war breaks out between Canada and Denmark over Hans island" 63.203.204.231 07:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice! (and nice image), btw this is actually the first time i've seen a date for the landing of the Canadian military on the Island. Twthmoses 08:34, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  news story 

message: No good map showing the strait with the borders and Hans Island? 
I can't even find the island via Google maps.
: There is one on the article page now :) Twthmoses 06:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it on Goggle Earth, which says "Hans Island, Greenland" Aleksei 00:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: The article currently reads:
:The Canadian Navy has occasionally used the dispute over Hans Island as an argument for investment in all-weather, ice-strengthened war ships, which Canada lacks. Denmark, on the other hand, has a long tradition of operating ice-strengthened patrol frigates in the Arctic.
This is not quite correct.  Denmark does have ice-strengthened frigates.  But they only pay the occasional visit to the Nares Strait.  Denmark also has three smaller patrol vessels, the Agdlek class cutters whose sole task is to protect Greenland waters.  But, at 330 tons, they are smaller than Frigates.  They are smaller even than Corvettes.
Although CCG icebreakers are not armed, they are more ice-capable than the Danish vessels, and unlike the Agdleks, the larger icebreakers all carry a helicopter.
Presumably they are as capable of performing the same kind of fishery protection roles the Agdleks perform.
Is a visit from a CCG icebreaker as worthwhile for sovereignty assertion as a visit from a Canadian warship?  --  Geo Swan 03:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Danish and Canadian ice-strengthened Naval vessels

message: According to an article in Le Monde published on 5 August 1984 in Paris, Denmark sent jet fighters over Hans Island in 1983 in order to reaffirm Danish sovereignty over Hans Island.The article was written by Camille Olsen, the Copenhagen correspondant of Le Monde. There were no other details given such as the number of fighter jets , the exact date in 1983 that the jet fighters flew over Hans Island or the flight details. The article mentions that Dome Petroleum went to Hans Island in 1980. The article also quoted  a Canadian professor, Mr. Ken Harters who stated that any Danish claim to Hans Island had lapsed under international law due to Danish neligence in maintaining it's claim.
The Danish government strongly rejected this argument and the Camille Olsen article uses the example of the jet fighters flying over Hans Island in 1983 to support the Danish claim on behalf of Margrethe II. 
Trying to track down Camille Olsen to find out more details and track down the name of the Hvidbjorenen Class frigate of the Royal Danish Navy which was berthed at Thule Airbase in August 1983 on a mission to land at Hans Island. Although not 100% sure, after due consideration I believe that the frigate was the F351 Fylla. Prior to embarking on a C-130 flight to check out ice conditions, courtesy of the Canadian Armed Forces, the Captain was asked in the operations room the name of his ship. His pronunciation
of his ship's name was very similar to flya, the short form/slang for flyer ,which was what he and his Executive Officer were about to do on the Canadian Herc and this caused a few chuckles in the operations room.Something agitiated the Danes enough to to send a frigate and jet fighters to Hans Island in 1983, one year prior to Mr. Tom Hoyem setting foot there. My guess is it 
was the landing of the  Bradley Air Services charter carrying scientists to Hans Island via Thule Airbase earlier in 1983, as described by the resident American met man.I suspect that Bradley Air services didn't land  at Thule in previous years, hence no reaction earlier by Copenhagen. 
Further updates as I get them.Namsham 23:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish Fighter Jets sent over Hans Island 

message: I won't edit war over this, but when the article spends nine paragraphs explaining what happened in 1983-84, it seems exceedingly silly to follow up with "the dispute had received little attention for nearly 31 years". Except for some attention on the Internet, the 2005 dispute seems to be no greater than the 1983 one. Rasmus (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And in those three paragraphs it talks about 3 or 4 different news articles total that happened during that time and says "which gave Hans Island its first fleeting publicity". So it got some attention during that time, but I think that this attention would fall into the category of "little attention". The 2005 attention was picked up by many news sources and got more than one day coverage on some nightly newscasts. Sounds much bigger than what is described in the 3 paragraphs about the 1983 attention. Qutezuce 08:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 21 or 31 years

message: I seemed to remember that Canada and Denmark through the late 70s, 80s and 90s would take turns visiting the island, erecting their respective flags and placing a bottle of spirits in the flagbox at the foot of the flagpole as a present to the "opposing team". I didn't find any mention of this in the article so I figured it was probably just an urban legend of sorts - however, I found a reference to this in one of the satire links (only visited one external link) and found this:
"Before the recent resurgence in interest in Hans Island, Canada and Denmark fought to establish sovereignty by leaving bottles of their respective national spirits, Canadian rye whiskey and Danish aquavit, on the island."
So it would seem to be true. I have read it in a Danish newspaper and seen this reference on the net. Celcius 06:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spirit war 

message: *Hans Island - København (capital of Denmark): 3755 km
*Hans Island - Ottawa (capital of Canada): 3958 km
:(measured with the distance tool on google earth)
No bearing on the dispute of course, but who is going to confess they just assumed Ottawa was the closer? :-) MPF 18:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting factoid . . .

message: "Research by Lasse Jensen" isn't that original research? there is no real source. --80.63.213.182 16:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  original research 

message: If you go to www.gov.tu.net, you will see that Hans Island has been claimed as a new country.  When I put this in the article, it was deleted.  I urge you to go to this website and stand behind the new independant nation!!!!
: This is one of the cleverest and most extensive Web hoaxes I've seen. Not a real country, of course, but funny. How do you know it's claiming Hans Island, by the way - I can't find a "location" anywhere in the hoax. - DavidWBrooks 21:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not even a hoax, its just satire and never going to be anything else. Some student and his "project". Hans Island is claimed by Denmark and Canada, and just because they can’t agree to the border does not make Hans island a free grab, they are still claming it. Anybody can claim Hans Island if the want to, hell I could do it! I could even claim Manhattan, Falklands, or Africa, does not mean the claim it worth anything! and certainly does not mean my claim should be featured on Wiki as "fact"! Twthmoses 23:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course it was me?!?!??! Its right there in the history log for all to see?!?! So? You and Tartupaluk are playing the multi confirming game. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to see that Tartupaluk and Livingdone are one and the same person. Anyway I don’t mind. You put it on the page in the first place, I transported it to the section where it belongs “Satire”, because it is the only place it even has a chance to stay on this page. This is an encyclopaedia! not a placeholder for fun “projects”. Wiki should certainly not be used to establish some sort of legality to such “projects”. You have now entirely removed from the page, because you don’t feel the “Satire” section is right for you. That is fully fine with me. Twthmoses 18:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A NEW COUNTRY 

message: They should resolve this the way New York and New Jersey determined ownership of Staten Island: have a boat race around the island, and whoever wins gets to keep it. Angr 12:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The solution 

message: As island is under dispute it will be politically correct to add picture with Canadian flag or remove picture with Danish.
Look, the island belongs to Danmark, end of story.
Norum 20 dec 2006
:As far as I know, it's part of Canada, so there should be a picture of a hoisted Canadian flag in this article as well. --  Denelson83  10:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag