Talk:Duke of Lancaster's Regiment

message: I wish the new regiment well, but this latest round in regimental amalgamations is still crass vandalism by the Blair bloodsuckers and their MOD lackeys. Geographical identity with our infantry regiments is becoming increasingly tenuous, and will do nothing for recruitment - which in the present climate is difficult enough. RIP KORB Sir Andrew de Harcla 14:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: The title for this article is incorrect!  The correct title of the regiment is Duke of Lancaster's Regiment the bracket wording (King's, Lancashire and Border) is not part of the regimental title. See:- Ministry of Defence Website. Richard Harvey 11:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: The content on Agnes Wanjiru contains plenty of detail superfluous to the topic of the article (the Regiment) and is not written in particularly encyclopaedic tone. Undue weight is also given to the incident as a proportion of the Regiment's history; if it is sufficiently notable then creating a separate article such as "Murder of Agnes Wanjiru" and linking to it with only a short summary in the history section may be more appropriate. At the very least it should be under the "Recent History" category rather than separate and before it. Eyudet (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree  when you consider both the collosal size of the media response, the wider implications on British-Kenyan relations, and the impact the murder has had on politicians and leading figures within the British military, the murder of Agnes Wanjiru is probably the event that the regiment is most widely known for. I would even argue that the murder could be considered the most impactful event in the regiment's history. Considering this I do not believe I am giving the subject undue weight, but it probably looks that way because the regiment is very young by British Army standards at only 15 years old. Perhaps you can rectify this percieved problem by writing a wiki page for the murder or by adding more information to the wiki detialing the regiment's other actions? BulgeUwU (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   If the notability is indeed substantial enough to necessitate this much content then splitting "Murder of Agnes Wanjiru" off into it's own page seems warranted, especially given that some of the content (such as the opinion article comparing the case to Sundstrom or Mau Mau) and the significance reasons you mentioned (such as the wider implications on British-Kenyan relations) are not particularly relevant to the Regiment. Either way the article should at least be cleaned up to better reflect NPOV and Wikipedia style (reduce editorialising language, etc.) As you have raised no complaint with the categorisation of the murder as an element of Recent History, I have elected to restore that part of the edit. Eyudet (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

text:  Material such as the opinion article referring to the Mau Mau uprising and Sundstrom, precise details of the murder, family requiring counselling etc. are not pertinent to the topic of this article (The Regiment). They could be pertinent if the Murder of Agnes Wanjiru was split off into its own article but currently only serve to make this page WP:BLOATED. Only a concise mention of the murder and all material regarding the allegations of a cover-up should be retained, as relevant to the Regiment. Alternatively splitting the murder into its own page and retaining only a line or two in this article referencing it would also make sense. Eyudet (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Completely agree. Some kind of strange anti military agenda / slander going on here. Nobody in the Duke of lancs was ever charged with murder. It's disgusting. Possible russian interference? Militaryfactchecker (talk) 08:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

text: The incidents should be ascribed to the correct unit. The Death of Baha Mousa is already well-documented in the history of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment and that is the right place to cover that incident. The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment was only established in 2006. Dormskirk (talk) 10:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked only because my previous edit ascribing it to the correct unit was reverted. I will reinstate it now. Eyudet (talk) 11:20, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The soldiers responsible were prosecuted while they were members of the Duke of Lancaster Regiment, their commanders recruited soldiers involved in warcrimes hence why there needs to be mention on this wiki. BulgeUwU (talk) 13:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  No they didn't. Best keep uneducated personal opinion of wikipedia BulgeUWU.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.169.40 (talk) 13:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

text:  As explained  in the article, the regiment was formed from a merger of other regiments therefore the soldiers were not "recruited", simply retained through the merger; the prosecution and dismissal took place after the merger but the incident was before. The revised version provides a quick overview and links to the proper articles to cover it. Additionally , seeing as you were the one to revert my original edit, do you have any opposition to reassigning the Wanjiru murder under recent history while we continue the WP:EXCESSDETAIL and WP:NPOV discussion? Eyudet (talk) 14:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

text: This BulgeUwU seems to have a hatred./ agenda against the British military. Lots of editing done on British war crimes, and has a really strong belief that the alleged murder of a Kenyan was committed by a lancs soldier? No proof, no charge, no sentence?  Militaryfactchecker (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

text: You're very suspicious mate. Why do you hate the Duke of Lancs? Militaryfactchecker (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys should just focus on WP:EDITSNOTEDITORS. (jmho) - wolf 16:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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message: Isn't there a consensus to split the info about the murder off to it's own article? Someone gonna take that on? - wolf 07:32, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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message: I've created the wikipage  "Murder of Agnes Wanjiru". I've begun with simply copy+pasting the material already on the Lancaster regiment wiki and will be making changes throughout the day and going through the sources again. Any help will be greatly appreciated. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 10:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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