Talk:Comparison of temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

message: I think we need dates to be a standard format, and links to the day and year are appropriate. Hopefully we can get the template to handle such links. Bytebear 23:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: I think the number of ordinance rooms should also reflect whether they are progressive or freestanding. Bytebear 23:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - I think we should use live, prog, or nothing. And put a note on the heading that unless noted otherwise the ordinance rooms contains a freestanding movie based ceremony. Live indicates Live actors in a progressive ceremony. Prog indicates a progressive ceremony using a movie. (probably need better wording :) --Trödel 19:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordinance rooms 

message: I setup a page to outline the standards for the data going into the temple here: 
Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Temples
It will effect this page in the following way:
* Dates will be in the YYYY-MM-DD format and not linked so that the temples can be sorted by date (without this it sorts based on the format each person has in their "my preferences" date tab, thus 1 Jan will be followed by 1 Jun and not by year at all.
* The column list will remain wide so that things can be sorted by each column. This will make the list wide, but I agree with User:Bhludzin this list would be used by people who are familiar with temples and thus can scroll left and right to see the specific information they want to compare. The names of the temples will have to be repeated periodically so it is easier to do the comparison. 
* The data on this page will no longer be needed but will be a subpage of the talk page of each temple.
* The LDSTemple2 template will need to be edited to reflect the new format. 
Please comment on the standardization WikiProject talk page, and please edit the proposed standars where appropriate. --Trödel 00:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standards for Temple Data 

message: am trying to spell out numerals 5 and 8 (after 127) (being numbers below 10) but am not able to see them after i hit 'edit' - b - betswiki (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since that data changes frequently, and is shown on many pages of Wikipedia, it is in a shared "template" so that it can be edited in one place and shown in many. The actual sentence is at . (I agree that small numbers should be spelled out, so I went ahead and changed it.) – jaksmata 13:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The index (far left column) does not sort correctly; seems ISO 8601 suggests leading zeroes are needed.DanB 23:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I fixed this issue so that it will sort now - However, I made a decision that may not be the best. I elected to sort the discontinued temples near the top in basically chronological order instead of near the bottom as it is when the list is originally displayed. I like it this way but it may be counter intuitive - i.e. I can see that a reasonable person would think that clicking by the status would revert it to the way it started. That would be just as easy to implement but wanted some feedback first --Trödel 21:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Index sorting 

message: I have the 2011 Church Almanac in front of me with the most up-to-date information on many of the temples. Even much older temples have some clear problems like some with listed heights of no feet, so I wanted to edit this, but it does not appear the normal edit function works, how do you edit the table?John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a separate template for each temple that holds common information for these structures which is used across multiple articles. These are found in :Category:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement templates with names like :Template:LDS Temple/Aba Nigeria Temple. Please be very careful in how you edit these, as a single mistake can cause temple data to no longer display properly in many articles. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 15:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Underneath the name of the temple (in the second column) is the word "edit" as a clickable link.  Click it, and it will take you to the data page for that temple.  You can edit that page normally, and the changes you make there will be visible here too. – jaksmata 20:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you edit the table 

message: The usage of templates in this article has lead to a pretty bad formatting disaster. Many of the referenced templates aren't correctly formatted and don't participate in this page constructively. Is there a centralized project or working group which has been coordinating work on the templates and their cleanup? -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:19, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Template usage

message: I think the metric units should be added in parenthesis in the table. This is standard on wikipedia (see for example List of tallest towers or List of tallest church buildings). OnchePower (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metric units 

message: I just finished updating the table with all temples that have been announced. But in doing so, I received the following message when editing the page:
"Warning: Post-expand include size is too large. Some templates will not be included."
Upon saving the page, many templates did not display correctly. (Specifically, the last several rows of the table, all the templates in the footnotes section, and all other templates that followed such as the portal box and navbox.) This can be seen here. I made a temporary fix here by simply adding arrows around the last several rows of the table and the navbox so that everything that does display actually displays correctly.
But that makes 22 rows in the table that are not displayed at all, and this is clearly an issue that will only get worse as the number of temples increases.
Either the table will have to be broken up (which defeats the purpose of having a sortable table with all the temples listed in it), or the amount of data included in the table will have to be reduced (meaning the number of fields/columns will have to be reduced).
Or perhaps there are other possible solutions.
Thoughts, anyone? Jdaloner (talk) 10:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to be bold and solved the problem (for now) by removing rededication information from the table. I chose this because, while being a valuable piece of information (which will still display in infoboxes on the pages for the individual temples, as well as List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), it isn't necessarily that useful in comparing temples. Most temples have never been rededicated (only about 40 out of 265 entries), so there's nothing to compare, and it's just a lot of open space. I admit it did have some use, but something had to go (and smaller items like the "Food" column didn't make enough difference to fix the problem). At least all rows of the table can now be displayed. Reversing this change would be easy, and I'd be happy to do it if anyone has a better idea. Jdaloner (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table is now officially too large 

message: Great news!
I found a fix to solve the issue for this page.  This may also fix the memory issue the page was having and allow navboxes, etc. More formatting is needed & label headers. Documentation for the template will need to be added with use/editing instructions. 
Draft Page: Draft:Comparison of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎Draft Template: Template:LDS Temple compare/sandbox2
Improvements with this new formatting include:
*Simpler table design, closer to basic standard Wikipedia table allowing a greater pool of users to edit/fix. Design reflected in Draft Page & Template. Easy to add/remove categories.
*Memory issue solved. Template uses much less memory. 
*Other templates such as navboxes can now be used.
*Because it splits temple number/status, it Allows one to search temple number or status separately.
*Abbreviated text using abbr template function. Key at bottom of table no longer needed.
*Works well - even if temples don't have numbering or when other fields are blank.
Feel free to do additional formatting/labeling to these draft pages.
Thanks-Dmm1169 (talk) 09:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should just move forward and implement the new compare from sandbox2. Many of the more specific table formatting existed because of some of the limitations in the standard table format at the time the scheme (for consolidating all the data to the data template and using format templates) was developed. The standard template and separation of the number and the status are great ideas. --Trödel 00:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and replaced the table and the corresponding template. Feel free to further format this table as much of the formatting (appearance) was removed with this edit. The data should still be the same.-Dmm1169 (talk) 03:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend use of new table 

message: Reference newsroom article:
Remove temple cafeterias from table?  -Dmm1169 (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't seen any controversy in eliminating this information now, so I just went ahead and did it. I haven't been able to look at the draft version yet, but I'll try to do so tomorrow. Jdaloner (talk) 12:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree - most templates do not have one anymore, and many of those that do are unused with no plans to reopen except as a dining room without food preparation or sale. --Trödel 00:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Cafeteria from table? 

message: As you may have noticed, the original wide table was split so to get the width of the table can be seen on an average size screen (ie. midsize laptop/desktop). Because of the length of each table, I made both tables collapsible. There's a number of ways to present it. Is the arrangement of the fields sufficient or is there a better order? Was 2 tables sufficient or should it have been divided into three (ie. stats; milestones; location and design)? Because of the format of the tables, reconfiguring of these tables is relatively easy. --Dmm1169 (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent Job User:Dmm1169 thank you for making these changes! --Trödel 20:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Table 

message: Proposal to add rededication/open house fields and merge/remove unnecessary fields in the process. These fields may be used in infobox templates, the extended list template shown in LDS in [Country]/[State] pages, possibly the temple comparison pages, and potentially future pages.  The fields cannot be added until all LDS Temple templates have it included, otherwise it will cause an error in the display. See Template talk:LDS Temple#New fields, removing unnecessary fields for discussion. -- Dmm1169 (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New fields, removing unnecessary fields