Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shakespeare/Archive 2

message: I should have checked my sources better, but the plot length guideline is not really official policy, it is from Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines#Plot, although I think it is more than reasonable and reached by a consensus of members of that project.  I don't see many differences lengthwise between films and play synopses. Wrad 16:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot length 

message: Do members of this project think that spoiler tags (warnings that plot or ending details follow) are necessary in the sections called "Plot" or "Synopsis"? If yes, why? Kusma (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that regard, folks here might want to peruse the spoiler discussion that's been going on for a few days now. -Ebyabe 12:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, I would encourage those of us with an opinion to contribute there, rather than here. We can reconvene the discussion on this page if/when that discussion reaches a consensus which affects us. AndyJones 13:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Shakespeare project has no opinion on this matter, I will continue removing the tags from Shakespeare's plays when I see them. Kusma (talk) 07:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: Hi,
I've posted this already in the poetry project, but maybe there is someone here who can help with the Shakespeare bit.
I'm currently in the middle of an expansion of the article on Troilus to cover the developments from ancient to modern versions of his myth. I've covered all the ancient sources, literary and art and the romance tradition of Benoît and Guido. I've even written something on Boccaccio
Unfortunately there are still a couple of minor (g) sections to cover, namely Chaucer and Shakespeare (and possibly Dryden too).
If anyone is interested in helping with either of those, then please let me know at Talk:Troilus. Thanks --Peter cohen 18:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Troilus: request for help from  

message: Question: Do we want to have an established referencing format as a project (MLA, Harvard?)  Several articles within the project have conflicting styles, not only between but within articles.  
Also, how do we want to cite the plays?  I myself lean toward the Act.Scene.Line style, as that is what I have seen in other publications. 
Also, in regards to creating a template for all play citations, I think I have found an excellent webpage for it: Internet Shakespeare Editions, a scholarly website with searchable text versions of all quartos and folios, as well as a modern version of each play.  The template, in theory, would work like the ones used for the Bible and the Quran on wikipedia and would help bring conformity to Shakespeare sourcing. See the Bible and Quran templates at these links: Template:Bverse, Template:Bible, Template:Cite quran
Our version of the template would allow editors to cite to a specific line in any version of any of the plays through a simple template. Let me know of any ideas or concerns you may have. -- Wrad 20:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I finished the template (It works, but may need a bit more tweaking).  You can see it at .  Here is a sample:  Wrad 03:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref format 

message: I think we should create a category of "Shakespearean stubs." This way, all our stub articles could have an additional label to the preexisting "theatrical stub." Besides making them better organized, this could also give the general public more incentive to expand them (though this may honestly be a vain hope). Any thoughts? BeastKing89 06:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea - New Category 

message: Has anyone seen this? I think the anon at the top of the talk page may have a point. AndyJones 12:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bardolatry 

message: I worked on the Puck character page a little bit but more needs to be added I think. But just to let you know, I worked on it. Sydneysaurus 19:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puck 

message: Why has Baconian Theory (10th June 2007) been added to our list of "did you know"s? The 9th to 10th June diff is here, but I don't see it. I'll remove that, pending someone correcting me. AndyJones 12:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I asked the user who added that about it on their talk page, but got no response. Wrad 15:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baconian Theory Did You Know 

message: List of English words invented by Shakespeare is up for deletion.  If you wish, please add to this debate. Wrad 19:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article up for deletion 

message: List of Shakespeare's works is up for deletion.  Input is desired. Wrad 23:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion discussion 

message: I'm thinking of making this page, if one doesn't exist to the purpose already. It's possible there's page like it around under a different name; if there is, could someone tell me, to prevent duplication? qp10qp 00:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is: List of Shakespeare's works.  Although it's still under construction. Wrad 00:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean something like List of books about Jesus or List of Adolf Hitler books. There's a need for it, I think, with Shakespeare. qp10qp 01:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, nothing like that, yet. Wrad 01:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Shakespeare bibliography]]

message: I think we need to apply William Shakespeare for featured article status.  After all, according to the page's checklist that's all we need to do.  It should almost definitely pass. Meldshal42 13:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we're really close.  We actually already applied and nearly passed.  We have a few issues to work out and then we'll apply again.  They're all listed at the bottom of the talk page. Wrad 13:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: We need to wait a few weeks, Meldshal, because there's a whole lot of work we need to do before we can be sure that it will pass. It's a bit too soon to reapply, because it only failed the other day. I'm glad you're interested in the article; it's one of the most important on Wikipedia.qp10qp 16:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applying for Featured Article Class 

message: In the mid-1980s, there was a lot of publicity about a supposedly newly discovered Shakespeare poem known as "Shall I Die? Shall I Fly". I don't know what the scholarly consensus about it was, but I don't see it discussed anywhere in Wikipedia -- not even in Shakespeare Apocrypha, where presumably it belongs if nowhere else, since it did get attributed to Shakespeare. --Metropolitan90 04:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I just found a good article discussing this very issue. We'll have to figure out where to put it. Wrad 14:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Shall I die? Shall I fly" 

message: If this article is confined to only citing "academic sources" there would be no article. It is, by its very nature, a controversy. Contributors to the controversy are not usually in academic institutions but this does nor mean they are too stupid to assemble a cogent argument. Neither does it mean their standards of investigation are necessarily lower than those in academia. Usually, Wikipedia does not attempt to evaluate arguments, it being sufficient that they originated from a scholarly source. That will not work here. These controversial arguments must be evaluated and, of course, they must rely on cited evidence (which is different from citing academic opinion). The best one can hope for is a balance of conflicting views, and space must be allowed to state the arguments of all sides. The danger is that a supporter of one of these controversial viewpoints might attempt to force a particular point of view (bias the article). In this case, I recommend issuing a warning and possibly a ban because this behaviour destroys the efforts of the group to balance the article. Another idea is to revert the changes and then freeze the article for a couple of weeks to prevent further attack. (Puzzle Master 13:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard for Shakespeare Authorship article

message: As requested, I would like to start discussion by saying that I feel this section (as in many articles that do not fall within the remit of this project) is becoming a terrible nuisance.  If you actually included all references to each Shakespeare play, the section that results would be longer than the rest of the article and it would not constitute any real contribution to our understanding of the play.  Except in a very small number of cases, any helpful cultural references can be found out about simply by using the "What links here" facility. Deb 17:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree here, for the most part, although I would point out that for many Shakespeare plays there are scholarly sources available discussing cultural references made to the play and influences of the play.  Maybe the answer is not to eliminate the section (or maybe just temporarily), but to confine it to scholarly sources.  If none are available, maybe the section isn't needed. Wrad 20:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is boring and useless. Why give article space to cruft and trivia? RedRabbit1983 15:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural references

message: ::To Smatprt. When I was here months ago you were trying to skew the Shakespeare Authorship article towards Oxford and I see that you've now progressed to skewing the main Shakespeare article too. You've been asked not to by others but you've simply ignored these requests. Clearly, you are the one who is at war with everyone else here. You evidently have no interest in working with others and seem obsessed with fashioning these articles towards promoting Oxford. I have experienced your aggression first hand. I added a perfectly acceptable referenced addition about Bacon to the header in the interests of balance. However, you changed the name incorrectly from "Michell" to "Mitchell" and the date incorrectly from "2000" (which is on my copy) to "1996". Then, presumably because it didn't suit your cause, you removed my reference altogether and rewrote the header to favour your candidate. You appear not to have the slightest concern as to whether or not the reader obtains a balanced view. Sadly, I don't see anyone in authority on these forums who is attempting to restrain your cancerous destruction. People just quote rules at each other without any attempt at enforcing them. I think you should identify yourself instead of hiding behind a pseudonym and your sockpuppet Ben Jonson so that we can all see who you really are. I, personally, would like to see you banned from this forum. (Puzzle Master 22:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just found this on my talk page written by Smatprt from April. "Thought you might like to know that the Strats are quickly building a concensus to cut down the section on authorship on the main William Shakespeare page. These cuts include the summary on Bacon (as well as Oxford and Marlowe). The discussion is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:William_Shakespeare#Consensus_on_authorship_section While we are on opposite sides (officially) of a three sided question, I have always thought that Bacon and Oxford were more connected than most will even consider.Smatprt 02:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Smatprt's destructive behaviour

message: As a regular editor to all things Shakespeare, you all know (and many are sickened) by my interest in the Authorship Question (laugh).  My last (and first) year here at WP has been quite a learning experience, and believe it or not, the FA process for the WS page was quite an eye-opener.  But many of us learned a few more things about WP, so even though the article did not achieve FA, I think one day it will and in the process has already (and will further) become a great article.  
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the Shakespeare Authorship article itself.  For the past 8 or 9 months, the page has been relatively stable.  In the last week, 2 or 3 new editors (and one unfortunate sockpuppet which has already been banned) have made mass deletions of referenced material.  No big surprise - all the deletions were Oxfordian or anti-stratfordian.  Now this is the page where most of the mainstream editors from the WS FA process said that the authorship information should go.  Now,... that info is being deleted, section by section.  Unbelievably, in their haste, these editors have even cut the stratfordain disclaimer (that academics dismiss all the alternative candidates) that I had grown to accept. 
Anyhow, because this is the WikiPjoject Shakespeare, I have been advised, and had already been considering, requesting that the editors of this page take a look at what is going on.  Because I have resisted their deletions, they are now waging a campaign to have me declared some sort of SockPuppet for long-time editor BenJonson, even though I don't think he's made an edit for weeks or months.  This accusation has been plastered on at least a dozen admin mailboxes - none of which, so far, has fallen for their. I know the truth, I detest sockkpuppets, and I know that some smart administrator will be able to prove their accusations groundless.  In the meantime, however, the page is the one that will suffer.  
In spite of the fact that most of you are staunch stratfordians, I have also found you to be reasonable and have a sense of fair play.  I ask that you look at the talk page and bring some cool heads into the discussion.  I ask that you look at the article and its format for the last 8 months, then look at the edits over the last few days.  I realize some of you personally disagree with the content, but if we are attempting to make these articles better, then the kind of attitudes and accusations and mass deletions going on on any of these pages should be a cause of concern. Thanks for hearing me out. Smatprt 04:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mass deletions of material from Shakespeare Authorship Question article

message: I regret to announce that I will be unavailable here on my computer for any time consuming activities until the school year begins again. My summer is simply too busy, and I really don't think I can help you guys out with anything until then.--Romeo in love 03:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  still away 

message: Several Shakespeare character articles are up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Bottom.  Please take part in the discussion. Thanks. Wrad 20:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character articles up for deletion 

message: I am going to overhaul this template.  I'm thinking of using a design roughly similar to the template at the bottom of Book of Mormon Hopefully it will be less intrusive and scatterbrained. Wrad 14:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which one?  I think that  is quite nice, but  is a bit ugly.  Do you plan on nesting the various sections, or just converting to  and tidying it up? — mholland (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I agree with Mholland. It's {Latter-day Saints} that I took exception to. AndyJones 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, I liked the one you all hate.  I don't like the color, but I like the nesting. Nesting was all I had in mind. Wrad 20:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Shakespeare}} 

message: It is odd thanking a whole project, but I feel that such thanks are in order for the wonderful William Shakespeare article that all of you have produced. It is a great testament to Wikipedia's ability to produce high-quality articles that are still accessible to the average, educated reader. Well done all. You have set a very high standard for the rest of us writing literature articles! Awadewit | talk 04:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank you

message: I've noticed that citation formats within the project have recently begun to follow the format used by the William Shakespeare article. I'm also aware that several editors, including myself, would prefer something different. Perhaps we should hammer out a bit of a guideline so that we can all be on the same page within the project next time we do a serious collaboration. Any ideas? This isn't intended to be an unbreakable policy, just a guideline to make things easier on ourselves. Wrad 00:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I opposed a bibliography of referenced books on the WS page because of length, I suggest that all other articles should have such a list. This would then make it possible to follow professional style in distinguishing note citations from bibliography listing. In essence, this means that the bibliography should follow the template form, with full stops, and the notes should use a slightly different form, with commas. This would at last mean that shortened refs would match any longer refs in the notes rather than clashing with them as they do at WS.qp10qp 20:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you point us to a sample article using this format well? Wrad 20:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mary: A Fiction.qp10qp 21:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Yes, that is the kind of style I would be very much in favor of. Much easier to understand and organize. More in line with what you see in the professional world. Wrad 21:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project citation format ideas 

message: May I request that The Comedy of Errors come under the wing of this project? I copyedited the introduction but could go no further. RedRabbit 16:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we already have a bit of a collaboration going on Romeo and Juliet, which is actually pretty close to GA. Once it gets there, we should probably take suggestions, have a bit of a poll/discussion, and decide what the next collaboration should be. Wrad 16:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, you're right, though, Comedy needs some serious work. Wrad 16:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Comedy of Errors]]

message: Hi there, I've just reported the article Arden Shakespeare as a copyright violation from , but as the subject is within the scope of your Wikiproject, I wonder if any of your participents would be interested in writing a new article in replacement? Cheers, DWaterson 10:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arden Shakespeare

message: So, now that Romeo and Juliet is a GA, what should be our next collaboration? A few obvious possibilities are Hamlet, Macbeth, and King Lear, since they are very famous. However, we may want to do a comedy, just to be well-rounded (and to be sure we don't get too depressed :) ). Comedy of Errors has also been suggested. Anyway, let's hear some ideas! Personally, I am leaning towards Hamlet right now, since it seems to be a popular page on wikipedia in terms of how often it is edited. Wrad 16:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hamlet, Macbeth, and King Lear all appear to be nearly to good article standards, so why don't we do them in that order. After all, they are Shakespeare's three biggies (so to speak).--Alabamaboy 00:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear, hear! I guess that's two votes for Hamlet (as if we were voting on this :P) I would fully support that collaboration myself, anyway. Wrad 00:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Hamlet seems like a good choice to me. I was thinking it might be good to start a separate page for performances of the major plays; does anyone have any thoughts on that? Jlittlet 20:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that Hamlet is a good choice, too. I'm not sure how much I'd be able to contribute, though, as there is much of a very poor quality in the theatre pages, which shames me into action there as a priority. I can offer an analysis of the 'speak the speech' in terms of contemporary performer practice from Patsy Rodenberg. There is lots of material on Hamlet in Robert Weimann too, with which I'm very familiar. At a stretch I could also look at some of the soliloquies in terms of the differences between quartos and folio. Bertolt Brecht is a very demanding German at the moment, though. DionysosProteus 04:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Hamlet is OK by me, but I'm not sure how much time I'd be able to spend on it.  My skills, such as they are, are in areas such as organisation, copyediting, picking holes in things and problem-solving rather than matters relating to the text, performances, critical viewpoints, etc.   The article as it stands looks rather unbalanced to me (and the synopsis is, um, odd).  IMO, attention needs to be given at an early stage to the content, sequence and length of the sections, and the relationship between the main article and the numerous sub-articles. --GuillaumeTell 09:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All too true, perhaps those with copyediting skills would wish to focus on fixing up Romeo and Juliet? Wrad 15:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I endore this suggestion. A good copyedit there would do a world of good. It's starting to look like it has FA potential. AndyJones 20:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'm thinking we should go with Hamlet also because a lot of people will look at it. Sydneysaurus 15:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Hamlet is popular, and popular is good by me. :) However, I believe that Hamlet needs improvement, and work on the article should work out.  Yes, I think Hamlet should be the collaboration.  Thanks, Meldshal42 16:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't have to be a play article. The only problem is that most character articles can be handled pretty well by one editor, while play articles take a lot of work by a lot of editors. Those characters that would need more work, such as Prince Hamlet, would probably be best handled after fixing the main Hamlet article first, in my opinion. Wrad 17:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Collaboration 

message: I am very confused about what sources to use for Shakespeare articles. I know that most content on the internet is copywrighted, but books are too. Or, are you only supposed to use books published before 1978, so you couldn't use, say, A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare? Any answer would be greatly aprecciated. Thanks.  Bardofcornish 13:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Someone brought up the redirects to Shakespeare in performance for a RfD. This is not a valid RfD, as I've said at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2007_August_23#Redirects_to_Shakespeare_in_performance and the RfD template is messing up the main redirect the article (the Shakespearean performances redirect, which is how Google still lists the article). Please join in the discussion and voice your opinion. I'm hoping we can speedy keep these redirects. Thanks,--Alabamaboy 22:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions sought on Shakespeare redirect 

message: I took the time to create the Minor characters in Romeo and Juliet article specified in the "To Create" section of the WP:BARD page. I put in all the information I could, but I have never seen a page for minor characters and thus had no precedent to work off of. A more knowledgable Wikipedian can point me to a style sheet and I can get on it, if there is one. More importantly, though, I would like to propose deletion (or maybe we could just turn them into redirect pages?) of the following articles: Lord Montague, Montague family, and Capulet family. A more knowledgable Wikipedian would again be needed to replace those three (and "Other Characters") in the  box and replace them with a link to the new minor characters page. Thanks! Nowah Balloon 07:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could look at Minor Harry Potter characters. AndyJones 08:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than deletion, I would suggest merging the smaller pages into yours and redirecting. They may eventually get big enough for their own article. Wrad 14:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Deleting articles within the project's remit is never a good plan. Deletion should only be used for abuses of the encylopedia: nothing within our remit is in that category. If pages have some worthwhile material, merge them. If pages are unsalvageable rubbish, turn them into redirects. Deletion should never be needed. AndyJones 19:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor characters in Romeo and Juliet

message: is there any reason that some sonnets have different layouts form others?Blacksmith talk 08:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our project hasn't really delved into the sonnets much yet. I've done some work on Sonnet 18, but that's it. I'd be interested in hearing what the situation is with layout, though. Do tell. Wrad 21:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I've noticed that the sonnet articles have been growing lately. There's only three left without articles now? Wow. I would suggest that you draw up a proposal for standardizing them, similar to the way done for play and character articles on the Shakespeare project page. Put the proposal up here, and then users can discuss it. I think you're definitely right, these articles need some guidelines to follow. However, I am also colorblind, so who knows :) ? Wrad 05:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonnet layout 

message: As part of the Hamlet project, I'd like to propose moving the Literary criticism of Hamlet article to Critical approaches to Hamlet; the literary emphasis is limiting, and Freud, Nietzsche, Weimann, Rayner, and many others wouldn't count under that umbrella (as they're doing philosophical & psychological criticism, or performance studies). Besides which, that designation makes people from drama, theatre, and performance studies departments the world over fume. 
DionysosProteus 15:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, New Criticism is the most obvious, but the more recent ones too. Yes, they do incorporate an inter-disciplinary approach, which is (often) an improvement on the former (though sometimes I do wonder). It's not that they don't use that stuff--you can hardly move for a Lacan this or Derrida that--it's more that there is a problem in wanting to give literary criticism exclusive rights, as it were, over speaking of Hamlet (for example). The discipline is limited by its own assumptions (as all are, of course); specifically, 'textuality'--even when the hierarchical cultural model of New  Crit is displaced into a Foucauldian discursive field in the New Historicists, it's a field of texts. Similarly, when the semioticians promise to overcome the literature/performance division, the latter is rendered as a 'performance text'. This enables some things but excludes many others. But this is, I fear, a tangent to the issue at hand (I get easily distracted). I'll make the move, though it will take me a little while to gather some decent material to supplement what's already there. I have some students launching into soliloquies in a few weeks time, so I think I'll be focusing on the iambic pentameter and more practically-orientated Shakespeare articles right now. DionysosProteus 01:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title change 

message: I might be missing something, so I figured I'd bring it here for some input.
Could someone explain to me what makes Richard Shakespeare, Susanna Hall, John Hall (physician), Hamnet Shakespeare, and Mary Arden notable?
There's a few others from the  template I'm not really sure about either... --Onorem♠Dil 10:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are related to Shakespeare. Thus, there is a large amount of scholarly research on each of them. I won't go into detail here. Right now they need development, but are definitely notable. Wrad 16:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd really like a better explanation here. The simple fact that information can be found for these people does not make them notable. That a person has a relationship with a well-known person is not a reason for a standalone article. --Onorem♠Dil 18:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of Shakespeare's family 

message: This is a stub article on a British play performed in 2006, written by Stuart Draper and apparently part of Fringe Theatre. This play is about the controversial issue of the existence/identity of W.H., who may, or may not, have been the young male object of Shakespeare's affections. It's speculated that W.H. is Willie Hughes, among others. Anyway, I removed the prod based on having found sufficient sources (I think) to establish notability, although some are more about about the concept of W.H., and not Drapper's play, per se. Any one know enough about this subject to suggest what is the best thing to do with it?  See the talk page.   Crosslisted with Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies — Becksguy 05:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[To W.H.]] 

message: Can we discuss external links to versions of the plays? I've generally found that if I need the text of a play, following most of the links in Wikipedia is pretty futile. In fact the only one I've found useful is the project at MIT, which has the advantages:
#it's in HTML, therfore easily searchable, and copy/paste-able;
#it's been edited intelligently (although I've no idea what their source was);
#it contains the usual act/scene divisions and line numbers, so having found something you can cite it
...and it amazes me how many of the online versions don't have these somewhat basic features.
I suppose my questions are:
#Is there a "better" site out there and if so which?
#Is it advantageous to have a consistent set of external links (e.g. every page for a play could link to Project Guttenburg and to MIT and to no other versions)
Sorry, have to abandon this posting for some real-life stuff. Is this enough to set the discussion rolling? AndyJones 12:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I usually use, too, although I have also created a template for this sort of thing as well . Wrad 02:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links