Talk:J. Frank Dalton

message: I can't believe he claimed to be Jesse James and resembled him to some degree when he supposedly died when he was 2 or 3. Jimmy Wang Yu: Version 2 14:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...What are you talking about?? Jesse James died when he was 34... Skiendog (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth/Death

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am in the midst of a major review/revision of the article, which in its current form is not written in an appropriate encyclopedic tone and is chock full of extraneous details about peripheral characters. Agricolae (talk) 23:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I think I have it pretty well cleaned up.  Let's try to keep it that way - a clear, tight biographical narrative rather than a collection of ephemera, speculation and material only tangentially related. Agricolae (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision 

message: The only people reading Mason's article who would have known whom Mason intended would have been people already intimately familiar with the claim, so the publication of this article does not represent a noteworthy aspect of Dalton's biography.  Were this Alternative theories of Jesse James' fate then clearly this would be within scope but that is not what this article is about. Had he actually introduced the Dalton claim to a wider audience in a recognizable manner then again, perhaps, but in not doing so he has left us having to deduce who it is, and that is going farther than Wikipedia editors should just to lay out a self-serving revisionist history from a family member that would not have even been understood by the vast majority of the readers as referring to our subject. Agricolae (talk) 20:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mason 

message: The Further reading section is too long and non-selective.  It needs a significant trim but I am not familiar enough with all of the sources to know which ones are most notable and which are most relevant. These sections are not intended to publicize every self-published book on a range of related subjects.  Someone with more familiarity should pare it down to no more than a handful. I have removed works already cited - the act of citation already indicates they have relevant information - and self-published or unpublished works, but this also isn't the place for a generic Jesse James reading list so the ones that don't mention Dalton's claim also need to go, then the list winnowed down to no more than, say a handful:
* Frank O. Hall and Lindsey H. Whitten, Jesse James Rides Again (Lawton, Oklahoma: LaHoma Publishing Company, 1948).
* Carl William Breihan, The Complete and Authentic Life of Jesse James (New York: Frederick Fell, 1954).
* Henry James Walker, Jesse James "THE OUTLAW" (Des Moines, Iowa: Wallace-Homestead Co., 1961)
* Jesse Lee James, Jesse James and the Lost Cause (New York: Pageant Press, 1961).
* Columbus Vaughn, Sarah Elizabeth Snow, and Lester Snow, This Was Frank James (Philadelphia, PA: Dorrance & Company, 1969).
* Joe Wood, My Jesse James Story (Washington, Missouri: The Missourian Publishing Co., Inc., 1989, reprinted from "The Washington Missourian").
* Phillip W. Steele (George Lester Warfel Jr.) The Many Faces of Jesse James (Gretna, Louisiana: Pelican Publishing Company, 1995).
* Ted P. Yeatman, Frank and Jesse James - The Story Behind the Legend (Nashville, Tennessee: Cumberland House Publishing, 2000).
* Warren T. Getler and Bob Brewer, Shadow of the Sentinel - One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the Confederacy (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2003).
* Ralph A. Epperson, Jesse James: United States Senator (Tucson, AZ: Publius Press, 2005).
Agricolae (talk) 22:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: The cited source quotes Bartholomew as saying that this man was going by Dolby and calling himself 'The Kid'.  Bartholomew may well have been confused, but we, as editors, don't get to decide this. Agricolae (talk) 02:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to reiterate, as this got removed again, the cited source is not confused with a different Dalton.  It is explicitly stated that a) Bartholomew was referring to the future Jesse James impersonator in claiming he went by Dolby, and b) that there was also a Jeremiah Dalton who went by Dolby but he must be distinct from the Jesse James imposter - Steele is not confusing them. Bartholomew may have been, but we as editors don't get to decide that Bartholomew was wrong when Steele considered him credible, unless you have a source that explicitly says Bartholomew was confused here.  To a degree the entire issue of how we deal with is origin is highly problematic, because the promoters can reach their desired result of him having an obscure origin simply by not looking very hard, while the critics seem just not to have been all that interested in wasting time on an obvious fraud. The information seems readily available, but would be WP:Original Research to pursue and incorporate it into the article. Agricolae (talk) 06:45, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dolby