Talk:Vistula Veneti

message: I copied this from Timeline of Slovene history and forgot to finish the job. Mikkalai 04:03, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Stuff (heading added 11/5/2015) 

message: Shouldn't the quote "no evidence whatsoever" be referenced more exactly than simply many Western scholars?  ralphb 129.129.152.74 16:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venedes and Adriatic Veneti 

message: Venedes → Northern Veneti or Vistula Veneti
I agree that the ethnonym Venedes is not used in English literature, perhaps this is one of the causes for confusion, since the assumption that the two ethnicons are considered the same by many is wrong. German appellation Wenden reflects the tradition of Germanic peoples referring to their Slavic neighbours as *Wenethoz, the name having been originally adopted from one of the ancient IE peoples known as Veneti. My suggestions for now are Northern Veneti or Vistula Veneti. A. Schenker also uses Baltic Veneti but that solution may again be confusing, since it could imply relation to Baltic peoples. --Jalen 07:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article could use a title move, although I am not sure of an ideal title. "Venedes" has been used in English, but all references on Google Books are from the 19th century. "Northern Veneti" was also used in the 19th century. Schenker uses "Vistula Veneti". Olessi 13:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: My proposal for the title – Wends (ancient) – is in the comment you have moved. You say yourself how the term Baltic Veneti is inappropriate as it may imply a connection with the Balto-(Slavic) peoples, a connection you don’t seem to recognise, although you did earlier say you tend to agree with me that Veneti of Tacitus may well be Slavs. Similarly I would oppose the use of the term Northern Veneti as it may imply a connection to Nordic peoples (also, which Veneti are then Southern: the Adriatic Veneti, the Paphlagonians or the ones mentioned by Herodotus in Illyria?). The term Vistula Veneti – despite Schenker’s use of it – is problematic also, since it implies they were living only along the Vistula, which is not the case as is stated in the article itself. Nor can one simply call them Veneti because other Veneti were living in other parts of Europe at the same time. So every name we could use has its problems, but these problems arise only because they are not called Wends. The term Wends is however the only historically used term in commonly spoken English for the people of the Baltic, who were in Latin language called Veneti. The pre-Slavic Veneti, accordingly to what was said by Grafenauer when quoting Hensel, were not called anything in Latin because Romans between 900-700 BC didn’t know of any Baltic people. In fact, according to Grafenauer when quoting Hensel, the Romans of the time of pre-Slavic Veneti were not even Latin yet. You want to make an article on pre-Latin Romans, and provide arguments for reasons that lead us to conclude they were indeed not Latin, go ahead, but don’t call such an article Romans, call it Etruscans. 219.202.224.104 13:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Dekimasu. I am not particularly knowledgeable about the "Venedes", although I do agree the article should not be merged into Wends. I would not object to Vistula, Baltic, or Northern V... Olessi 19:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: "An analogous example is the name Böhmer, formerly applied by Germans to the Czechs, which originally was the name of a Celtic tribe Boii who dwelt in Bohemia before the Serbs (before they moved south) and later the Czechs."
I am not sure about this. In one czech book (from the author, who writes about history of Sudetenland) I read, that word Böhmer was used for all people, that lived in this area, contrasting with Tschechen, that was used only for people from slav descent. Can anyone explain it in greater detail, please? --Milhaus (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Böhmer? 

message: I 'd like to contribute some references on the matter but I wonder where to put them. Why are there two separate sections on the same subject? It's obvious to me that a major cleanup and merging of the two sections is needed Dipa1965 (talk) 09:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging needed: "Relation between Veneti and Slavs" with "Identifications of Veneti as Slavs" 

message: The map pictures the Veneti as a Balto-Slavic group, somewhere east of Vistula. But the text of the article suggests they were probably a centum group (thus not Balto-Slavic) in Vistula basin. Daizus (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the two pictures until a better one is found, since at least one of the pictures specifically referred to the period of Slavic migrations during which the Veneti had probably long ceased to exist as a distinct ethnicon. --Jalen (talk) 14:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent map 

message: Antique Slavs were by historians called "Veneti", but current, modern "historians" call Veneti as "germanic"... 
So who was correct. The antique historians, living in the era of Veneti themselves or modern historians living in 19-21th century AD.
Please read carefully WP:PRIMARY (the Wikipedia policy on sources, original research etc): I am quoting an extract from there that will be very interesting to you:
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources, though primary sources are permitted if used carefully. Material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than to the original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.
--Dipa1965 (talk) 10:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  modern rewriting / perversion of the history 

message: Is this correct? Germanic V often alternates with F, as in loaf/loaves, but that doesn't seem to apply here; in some North and West Germanic languages another V derives from W, but that's much later, a medieval sound-shift. 96.231.17.131 (talk) 01:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial V in Pre-Germanic? 

message: In the section "Relation between Veneti, Balts and Slavs," there is this sentence: "The earliest origins of Slavs seem to lie in the area between the Middle Dnieper and the Bug rivers, where the most archaic Slavic hydronyms have been established." The link to the Bug River goes to an article about the Southern Bug River. There is a note there distinguishing the Southern Bug River from the Bug River. Depending on which river is meant, the area would be displaced by quite a bit to the south and east. I have no idea which river is correct.
Lucy Kemnitzer (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the link to the Bug River article correct? 

message: There are opinions that  Vistula Veneti are  Vidivarii (Vi[ni]di+varii) from ger. Viniden.
Also re: Sarmatian Venedi, in original text is "quidam haec habitari ad Vistlam usque fluvium a Sarmatis, Venedis, Sciris, Hirris tradunt," different tribes. Link: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Pliny_the_Elder/4*.html
Vielba (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Vistula Veneti=Vidivarii

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