Talk:Diving (sport)

message: There's a place in South America somewhere where people go "cliff diving" from a 30 metre cliff into a natural pool.  Anyone know where it is?
*Perhaps the commenter is thinking of La Quebrada near Acapulco, Mexico on the Pacific coast? (Thu. 8/28/03 17:00PDT)
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Re: The dual meaning of "diving." Other western languages also use one word (eg, plonger, bucear) to denote both activities. Speculation: this dual meaning could have originated with Greek, as before the introduction of external air supplies the procedure used by sponge-gatherers in the eastern Med was to take a headlong flying jump off their boat while carrying a heavy rock. Once underwater at their desired depth they released the rock, which was hauled back up on a line, and went about their business as long as their breath held out, then swam for the surface to repeat the procedure. (Thu. 8/28/03 17:15PDT)
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Could we refer as "jumping" to disambiguate, e.g. "diving" to denote going underwater and "jumping" to denote the above-water part, e.g. if you just want to get the thrill of jumping off the 5m cement tower but not really get all the scuba equipment, etc., to dive under the water.??? Glogger 04:14, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsorted text

message: How can this possibly be fair use, assuming it isn't GFDL?  Is it public domain? Toby Woodwark 02:14, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)
:Published late 19th century , so it will be public domain. There's a copy on http://www.publicbookshelf.com/ from which this text was presumably copied. It could really do with rewriting into Wikipedia style though. sjorford 07:48, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave the links in! Somebody (me, for instance) might find them interesting or useful...  Trekphiler 15:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boys Own

message: I just learned how to swim recently (as an adult, around the same time I did my doctoral dissertation), but only gently climbed in by ladder, never jumping off the side.  More recently I tried off the side (0m) and then the 5m height at Summerville (Toronto); they only have 0m, 5m, and 10m (they took out the flexible spring-loaded apparatus of 1m and 3m long ago because it was deteriorated).  
The first time I tried I went head first which I thought might be as streamlined as possible but I could not seem to get my legs straight.  I tried 4 times, but bruised, took 20 days for bruises to go away.  So I tried feet first, which seemed to hurt less, actually, though it's counter-intuitive.  Why would it hurt less to go feet first since there's more parts of the body that get hit?  (Main pain seems to be genitals and nose perhaps because they're going the "wrong way" when going feet first.)
Also a lifeguard suggested I try to intertwine my legs in feet first (he called it "impact jump").  Can anyone confirm if this is a standard method of entry?  I don't see many of the others going in that way.
I found there was a 1m, 3m, and 5m at the University of Toronto so I tried the 1m and 3m, but seem to have tremendous pain in ears even with 1m.  It feels like landing in an airplane, when it descends fast.  It doesn't matter head first or feet first, same amount of pain.  I added my thoughts on ear plugs to the Wikipedia entry, but maybe someone more experienced than I can confirm if this is correct, e.g. that earplugs should be worn.  For some reason, though, my ears never did hurt when I did the 5m at Summerville, but later even just 1m hurt like crazy.  Could it be time-varying?  (Some days hurt, other days not???).  Or maybe it was just that my first few tries were so uncoordinated that I wasn't going deep, even from 5m up.
Thoughts on how to hold nose if going feet first?  I added my own empirical findings (using second hand to hold first in), but would also welcome other input on this matter.  I see alot of children go feet first without holding their nose.  I tried this even from 1m, and was not able to blow out enough to keep water out enough.  Is this learned or does it just happen naturally in certain people, e.g. 4 year old children who go off the 5m don't seem to have any problems at all.  Maybe it could be explained why children have no problems at all, but adults bruise, have splitting ear aches that last more than 12 hours after impact, etc..  Some more introductory "how to learn" kind of info is what I'd really find useful in the Wikipedia.  Glogger
*I have been competitively swimming for 10 years now. The key to keeping water out of your nose is experience and practice. Actually blowing air out of your nose is not ideal as it uses up your oxygen supply. When you hold your nose as you jump you push all the air out of it. If you don't hold your nose, but hold your breath instead, you should find that, so long as don't invert your head, the water will mostly be kept out of your nose by the air trapped inside it. The Olympic style divers hold their breath during their dives and usually release their air all at once as they swim back up to the surface. As for your ear problems... This is something that varies person to person. It is related to the pressure sensitivity of your ears. This pain is caused by a difference in pressure between the air in your ear canal and the pressure behind your ear drum. There is a way to equalize this by moving your jaw. So, "How to Learn": Place your fore and middle fingers, both hands, on your head just in front of your ears. You should feel the upper-back most part of your jaw. Keeping your fingers there, lower your jaw then jut it forward. This should give you some sense of how your jaw placement affects the volume of your ear canal, and therefor the pressure. You may be able to hear a muffled pop as you do this. That sound is the air pressure equalizing. There is a positioning of the jaw which allows for practically immediate and constant equalization to occur as you go down. This technique is used by abalone divers in Hawaii according to my marine science teacher. As for bruising, I really don't know what more I could tell you. The lifeguard's suggestion to intertwine your legs and feet—I assume this means something similar to crossing your ankles and straightening your legs—was probably because your legs and feet were coming apart as you fell. This could explain the pain in your genitals as there would be nothing breaking the water for them so they would receive the same impact as your feet. As you noted, reducing surface area is a positive thing. If you really want to pursue diving, or even just high jumping, getting a bathing suit which is tight fitting would probably solve the problem of genital pain. Most, if not all, of the divers I know wear a spandex or similar type of suit, even if it is under looser swimming shorts. If you are worried about appearances, these divers I'm referring to are by all accounts normal teenage boys. If they don't feel deterred in their hormonal quest to attract the opposite, then, in my opinion, we shouldn't have qualms about it either. I hope this was of help to you. If you have other questions or want a more detailed response, please feel free to contact me.WAvegetarian 06:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Learning how to enter pool without hurting too much

message: This section was written by someone who is/was still trying to learn how to dive (jumping off of high things). I feel that it could do with a rewrite from someone who is more knowledgeable about diving (competitor maybe) and would have some tips for people trying to learn as opposed to a collection of various methods tried by someone in the process of self teaching. It seems rather informal and unencyclopedic. I think it could benefit from a bit of a rewrite with more info. I realize that it's considered bad form to tag for clean up and not participate, but I don't really have expertise in the matter as I am a swimmer, not a diver. WAvegetarian 07:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  clean up Learning section (explanation) 

message: It seems that there are two articles here, on two different subjects--the article is already formatted with this in mind, so an official split should not be hard.  One subject is (broadly) swimming underwater; the other is jumping into the water.  Further splits might be possible (such as underwater swimming done by humans vs animals; competitive diving vs cliffjumping and such, etc).
In addition, a few other uses of the word diving (or dive, which should redirect here) might be worth mentioning on a disambiguation page:
* In soccer, faking an injury to fool the ref into calling a foul (or to stall the game) is called diving.
* "Taking a dive" refers to intentionally throwing a match in sports, usually boxing.
* Things like "dive bar" and such.
* Dumpster diving
--EngineerScotty 01:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Split 

message: I like the concept of "Springboard and Platform Diving" as a catagory except that's a pretty long entry title, and it leaves out cliff diving. Perhaps dividing this entry between "Competitive Diving" (or even "Exhibition Diving") and "Underwater Diving" might work, especially with a disambiguation page.
-Rick Obermeyer, 15 December 2005
===Diving===
Two of us re-wrote diving to conform to the athletic sport of diving.  What do you think?
A HUGE improvment! Added text to the link for the USA diving page .Dive614c 04:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Split 

message: Two of us re-wrote diving to conform to the athletic sport of diving.  What do you think?
A HUGE improvment! Added text to the link for the USA diving page .Dive614c 04:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Diving

message: People dress up like clowns and fall down 10 meters in comical ways ending in a splash of water. Someone might even walk on stilts and act like he falls down accidentally. Usually a group of kids gives ratings for the jumps and the clown with the highest score is declared the winner. Lapinmies 11:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this would be nice to know. For now the finnish article fi:Pellehypyt points to this article. But I could not find anything about these 'clown divings' here. 85.217.22.47 (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the name of this "sport"

message: This should be moved to something else and turned into a disambiguation page. I wanted to find Diving (football) and I assumed this would be about Scuba diving with a disambiguation link at the top. Jooler 10:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see some anon removed the disambig link at the top about a month ago. I have restored it. Jooler 10:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move

message: I created an article on diving techniques. (It's a long story involving New Pages patrol and a contested prod.) I know next to nothing about diving, and the article is in a sorry state and could use a lot of help from those knowledgable about the subject. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 22:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Diving techniques]]

message: 'Cliff diving' redirects to this page, but there's no actual information on cliff diving here.  I'd like to see some, especially on how they survive diving that far into the water; I was under the impression hitting water became much like hitting concrete at those heights...
::Yes, either the redirect needs to be removed or this article needs to actually address cliff diving (or any form of high diving, for that matter). Jhhays (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had the same problem with "high dive". There's not even use of the phrase "hive dive" in the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 15:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The article currently reads, "Outdoor diving typically takes place from cliffs or other rock formations either into fresh or salt water." This certainly is inadequate and needs to be expanded, but it is incorrect to say that there is no information here. Cnilep (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cliff diving info? 

message: Anybody think it's worth including competitive springboard prohibits handstand dives, allowed in platform?  Trekphiler 15:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now included in the section "dive groups". DaveApter (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: With distinction

message: I've added a brief definition of DD as it wasn't included on the page, but I am far fro many kind of exspert. Does some one more knowledgeable want to review it. Ideally it needs a fuller explanation, along with the way dives are pre-chosen, perhaps in the Dives Group section. There is alot of good detail here but not enough explanation, on how things work,  for those who know nothing of the sport.
Horribly insufficient to the novice reader.  Guessing each dive is scored on a 10.0 (10.00, 10.000?) basis.  Someone can surely append. Pasadena91 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Scoring the Dive

message: I know they aren't professional sports... but there are diving competitions for Bellyflops and Cannonballs.  Some are even televised on ESPN.  Should those be added into the non-professional diving section (along with a description of what they are). Antmusic 22:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bellyflops and Cannonballs diving competitions. 

message: I came across a Google Book that might be useful to this discussion, the URL is http://books.google.com/books?id=WHKvDcGxAqUC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=high+school+athletics+risks+diving&source=web&ots=7ENGmWG3VG&sig=mAnC_11x2CQmJBf_l0m3qC-IOb8
Pbutts (talk) 23:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety 

message: "Masters' Diving events are normally conducted in age-groups of 5 or 10 years"
I highly doubt that the Master's Diving in age-groups of 5 or 10 years. This is very misleading as to me it communicates: "5 or 10 year olds", and I don't think that is what the author is trying to say here.
Also- sources?!
--Zybez (talk) 04:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracy - sources? 

message: The dual meaning of diving is really annoying. When you say diving, people think of underwater diving. When sports programs, TV programs, etc. are translated from English to other languages that have differrnt words for the two sports, then diving is mistranslated to underwater diving 99% of the time.
It is probably not the role of Wikipedia to suggest new words for the English language, but Wikipedia should refer to terminology discussions elsewhere and tell if alternative names have been suggested.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.27.253 (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name confusion 

message: The article explains that this means "no diving". However, according to me, it might as well mean "no jumping head first". What do you think? --Ysangkok (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image meaning 

message: This is a much better picture. Can someone with access please upload this one instead?
http://i53.tinypic.com/2ex7j0n.jpg
the caption would be "Back twister on 10m platform". —Preceding unsigned comment added by LouSchiff (talk • contribs) 01:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if it's freely-licensed, per our image use policy. Also see Wikipedia:Upload. Graham87 14:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the image for "Twisting" 

message: According to Wiktionary 'diving' is both 2. The sport of jumping head first into water.
and 3. The practice of swimming underwater, especially using a scuba system, and especially for recreation.
So underwater diving is either: 2. underwater jumping into water or 3. underwater swimming underwater
Neither makes any sense. You cannot jump underwater into water and the other is redundant, since the other meaning of diving already includes underwater in it. In rather same way one could talk about racial racism. 85.217.22.47 (talk) 19:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What I don't understand is why this one has been selected as the primary one of these. As someone noted above in section "Name confusion", first thing that comes to mind is the underwater activity. Google image search proves this: "diving" gives 18 underwater and 1 jumping, while "diving sport" gives 16 jumping to water, 1 sky diving and 6 underwater (first page of results in my Firefox). My suggestion would be a disambiguation page "Diving" with entries Diving (underwater) and Diving (jumping), maybe even some other ones. 82.141.66.136 (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diving vs Underwater diving 

message: Please can you move this picture to Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cliffjumping.jpg Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.8.144.157 (talk) 11:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures to Commons 

message: It seems to me that the armstand category is a relatively recent addition to the competitive diving repertory.  I was a competitive swimmer in the 80's and I don't ever remember seeing a diver take off from a handstand in actual competition.  The first time I saw this in the Olympics I did a double-take.  If someone knows the history of this particular category of dive, and when it was first allowed in international competition, inclusion of that information, with some dates, would be an interesting addition to the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 23:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken - armstand dives have been used in all major diving competitions since at least the 1950's, possibly as far back as the 1930's. Backward Armstand dives and Twisting Armstand dives have only been used for the last 15 years or so. DaveApter (talk) 11:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armstand Dives 

message: The article currently says For Group 6 – Armstand – the dive number has either three, four or five digits: Three digits for dives without twist and four for dives with twists.
The article then proceeds to explain the three and four digit numbers without referring to a five-digit dive number.
A quick search on Google suggests that there is no such thing as a five-digit dive number.
Deebster (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well spotted! I've removed the offending texthe. According to WikiBlame, it was added way back in June 2007 (!) by 210.18.194.213. Many of that user's other edits were vandalism. Graham87 02:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Five-digit dive numbers? 

message: In some countries there are (not too serious) diving competitions where the point is to make the biggest splash - not the least. The German Wikipedia even has its own article, de:Arschbombe. Should this be mentioned here? -- 92.231.118.84 (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splash diving 

message: What is the history of the modern-style sport? Currently, there is only a picture of a fresco from 470 BC. But I doubt that was competitive diving back then; and even if it was, scoring system cannot have been similar than today. 85.217.38.184 (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: High Diving is from 27m, as compared with 10m for the Olympic platform diving. I'll add a paragraph about it. DaveApter (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  history? 

message: The article reads:
"Masters' Diving events are normally conducted in age-groups of 5 or 10 years"
Are you serious? 85.193.214.212 (talk) 04:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It means they're separated by 5 or 10 years (e.g. 60–65 and 65–70 or 60–70 and 70–80). Graham87 14:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've used your wording and replaced "of" with "separated by". I hope it makes sense. 85.193.214.212 (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Graham87 04:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very young masters... 

message: I'm not sure the section on famous divers is adding anything to the article - it's just a sea of blue links to articles. Wouldn't readers be better served by a link to the Category 'Divers by nationality' or similar? GirthSummit (blether) 18:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I've boldly removed vit ... and also added in the see also link to the category you suggested. Graham87 03:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Divers section