Talk:Adhan

message: I've been disambiggin' the word "bell" ... I don't know a thing about Adhan, but can someone fix the link to  bell and conch -- certainly you don't mean a sea creature!--Rbeas 02:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The shell of the conch is often played as an instrument (see wikipeida article on conch). You can buy such shells in Key west. 88.239.90.77 14:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bell / conch trouble 

message: Surely there's an Arabic version of this page? Where is it? I can't read Arabic myself, but I was curious about it and found there was none. -- Natalinasmpf 04:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked (even went to the arab Wikipedia) and they didn't seem to have one.  I'll ask User:Joturner.--KrossTalk 13:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  arabic version 

message: The Arabic on this page is all messed up. The transliteration of short vowels have the mark over them. The Shahada is even transliterated wrong, with a part missing. I am going to perform a re-work, I apologize if I'm disturbing someone else's work. Cuñado  - Talk 00:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: http://www.azadarnews.com/Islamic-Articles/138.html --Striver 03:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That website is made by some very radical people with whom which I would say the overwhelming majority of Shi'a do not agree. Please do not use it as a source, it is both unscholarly and unacceptable. Ordak mahi 00:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shi'a view

message: Ash'hadu anna 'alīyā walī'ul-lāh is, as the article says, not mandatory, but it doesn't stop there: we Shi'a do not accept it as part of the adhaan, and in fact one of the factors that invalidates the adhaan is believing that aliya wali-ullah is part of it. It is more of an affirmative statement: in many Shi'a congregations that part is only repeated once as a signal of not being part of the adhaan, and in other congregations that repeat it twice, the second time a different variation is used like "ash'hadu anna aliyyan amir al-mo'mineena wali'ul-lah". I have tried to say all this as concisely as possible on the page itself. Ordak mahi 00:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. it is not wajib it mustahab. And that is why it is forbidden to actually say 'ali un waly ul llah' twice. you must say two different things such as 'ali un wali ul llah' and 'ali un hujjat tul llah'. if we can reach concensus on this issue the pafe should be edited to reflect this fact.aliasad 00:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aliya wali-ullah not actually part of Adhan for Shi'a

message: I have heard "wali" translated as both "vicegerent" as it says in the article and also "friend". Which is a more accurate translation? Ordak mahi 00:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How does this relate to the article? Hyacinth (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Wali" translation

message: The mention of Shofar (ram's horn) being used as a call to prayer is not a regular part of Jewish practice. It was used as a call to battle, and as part of the prayer service on select holy days and public fasts (see the wikipedia article on shofar). Jews today would not associate a shofar with a call to prayer, and I've never heard of this being the case at any point in history. Perhaps a reliable source can be found for this if it is true- the link to the reference is dead. 88.239.90.77 14:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shofar??

message: isnt it an atomic bomb cloud? what is the meaning of being in here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.102.84.132 (talk) 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  about picture 

message: ok for those editors. please this page is neutral. if you have anything against the relegion be civil about it and take any unessasary talk else where
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-muslim editors 

message: In a PBS documentary, a Muslim scholar states that a gong was selected as the method for calling the faithful to prayer (to avoid using the bell used by Christians or the horn used by Jews). But some of Muhammad's colleagues had a dream that the human voice would work better. I believe this early idea of using a gong should be mentioned in the article. Badagnani (talk) 07:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gong 

message: It would probably be a smart idea to refrain from using musical terms when describing the Adhan. We discussed the Adhan at great lengths in a course about music in the world of Islam (I am a music composition major at an American music school). From what I took out of these dialogues, any suggestion this or any  divine word is music in any way is strictly blasphemous and offensive. Although I will not argue with the fact that there are tonal characteristics and arrangement of forms that my western ears define as quite musical, I think it would be best to refrain from offending anybody and to define the Adhan in a way that it's creators and practitioners would willingly do.
75.73.216.185 (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many people disagree about many things but that does not mean that those things should not be described on Wikipedia. Please find sources describing your point of view and add information supported by those sources to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with section on form 

message: Should the issue of musicality be addressed along with the formal characteristics.  If I'm correct, there are different viewpoints within Islam on the nature of the Adhan as musical or non-musical.  Certainly it at least shares formal elements with music and shares functions with things identified as music in other cultures, and stylistically kinds of speech-like deliveries may be found in ancient Greek music through Western opera and into rap today.  But often music is associated with the secular world, so music-like sacred recitations aren't called music.  Am I blabbering, or should this article address the Adhan's relationship to music.  76.20.129.255 (talk) 12:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the concerns in the discussion directly above. Hyacinth (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicality 

message: I think the last line of the "Sunni view" portion of this article needs to be corrected. It's suggested to edit it from "someone recites the iqama as in all prayers." to "someone (amongst the praying people) recites the iqama as in all prayers."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahadeng (talk • contribs) 12:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunni view 

message: according to   http://sistani.org/local.php?modules=nav&nid=2&bid=59&pid=2947  ashahadu anna alian waliullah is not a part of adhan or iqama. so i deleted it. Dany (talk) 19:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  shi'i view edit 

message: Words of the prayer have just been changed from God to Allah, I am no expert on Islam and so i dont really know which is correct, i would have thought God though seeing as that is English Language PiTalk - Contribs 18:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems appropriate to use "God," as both Judaism and Christianity also come from the Middle East, and we don't use the Hebrew term "Yahweh," the Greek term "Theos," or the Latin term "Dominus" in English-language translations of prayers in those languages. Badagnani (talk) 18:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: "Dominus" does not mean "God". "Deus" means God in Latin. "Dominus" means "Lord" or "Ruler". A father is the dominus of the home, a king is the dominus of the country. 93.219.171.6 (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

text: According to the current guideline Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Islam-related_articles)#Translation and #Allah, "Allah" is to be translated as "God" unless used as part of an English-language quote. -- Kirk Hilliard (talk) 03:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: God or Allah

message: Should it not be "Athan" instead of Adhan? Usually the DH is used for the deep glutteral sound, but it is not the case in this word.
The Fear (talk) 00:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem, because in English "th" can also be the voiceless dental fricative, ﺙ</font>. "Adhan," whether correct or not, seems to be the most commonly used romanization. Badagnani (talk) 00:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Transilteration  problem

message: I have changed the translation of Allah to God in the english translation of the adhan. If we are to translate, the entire phrase should be translated, including the word "Allah". --217.35.93.92 (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the correct style according to the current guideline Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Islam-related_articles)#Translation and #Allah; "Allah" is to be translated as "God" unless used as part of an English-language quote. -- Kirk Hilliard (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: "Salafists, such as the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, prefer to issue the adhan in a monotone, considering any verbal elaborations to be makrouh (permissible but discouraged)—or haraam (forbidden) if the meaning of the words is altered."
This seems to me very strange - and not just because I am a Muslim. In Saudi Arabian mosques (a "salafist" country) the adhan is in NO WAY monotone! The fact that this quotation from the article also has no citation... I think it should be entirely removed. 
--82.46.212.51 (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Salafists" view of tone 

message: There needs to be a section on the 5 different adhans and their times; including different verses and Hadiths that support it and different interpretations of these instructions by means of different calculation methods of different organizations. I would do all of this myself but I do not know enough about the hadith, Quran and different research that support the differences in the calculation of the Fajr and Isha adhan.
This is what I got for how different calculation methods work from islamicfinder.com:
- Umm Al-Qura calculates Fajr Twilight at 19 Degrees, Isha at 90 minutes after the Sunset Prayer 120 minutes in Ramadan only
- North America calculates Fajr Twilight at 15 Degrees, Isha Twilight at 15 Degrees
- University Of Islamic Sciences, Karachi calculates Fajr Twilight at 18 Degrees, Isha Twilight at 18 Degrees
- Muslim World League calculates Fajr Twilight at 18 Degrees, Isha Twilight at 17 Degrees
- Egyptian General Authority of Survey calculates Fajr Twilight at 19.5 Degrees, Isha Twilight at 17.5 Degrees
There should also be a section on when prayers are supposed to be made (i.e. how many minutes after adhan they are supposed to be made); there is a belief for instance that it is Makrooh to pray Asr close to the Mughreb Adhan because of its resemblance to the tribes that used to pray to the sun. Also, there is a difference for instance on performing the time of praying Asr for Hanafis, but I'm not sure what that difference is.
Again, I would do all of this myself but I don't have enough Quran, hadith, research and citations to do it- please help me in adding this if you do.Headswork (talk) 16:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Determining times of Adhan and different calculation methods 

message: I think whoever wrote the section about the adhan in Turkey wrote it with a strong bias...
Most Muslims I have ever met - in fact ALL of them if you exclude whoever wrote this particular article - see the banning of the arabic adhan as an extremely negative thing and in fact use it as an argument for the tyranny of Mustafa Kemal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.190.106 (talk) 19:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bismillahirrahmanirrahim بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم  In Türkiye the ezan was originally in Arabic (the Sacred Language) in the pre-republic times. It was changed to Türkçe circa 1932. Circa 1950 it was changed back to Arabic. References abound, here at Wiki as well. I have been visiting T.C. since 1975, and have always heard the ezan in Arabic, to date (spring-summer 2014). This should no longer be a controversy. The changes were similar to the Roman Catholic Churches change from Latin liturgy (excepting the Homily) to vernacular, which was also not without some controversy. Selamlar Tjlynnjr (talk) 03:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adhan in Turkey 

message: Tajik, like Uzbek, spells the word "azon" (Cyrillic: азон), as the two languages share mostly the same orthography and vowels. It is not spelled "azân" like the article claims. Technically the word is pronounced nearly the same, but in Tajik and Uzbek "o" is written instead of "â".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.68.234.37 (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Tajik Spelling

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The existing paragraph stated that,
In 2016, opposition parties in Bangladesh alleged that the government had banned the broadcasting of adhaans through loudspeakers citing "security concerns for the Prime minister.
with the reference of an article of Prothom Alo where it's simply a personal or political statement of a person. And the article also has another statement that:
However, the BNP chief did not make it clear as to where Azan is not being allowed through loudhailers for prime minster Sheikh Hasina’s security.
IMHO it's simply a personal opinion, not a legal standing and hence not encyclopeadic. —Mayeenul Islam  (TALK) 14:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal standing against Adhan in Bangladesh 

message: According to submission.org, the adhan originally consisted of saying the Takbir (Allāhu akbar) four times, followed by saying "lā ilāha illā allāh"; obviously, that was before the schism of the Sunnis and the Shiites. Also, according to the same website, the adhan isn't need if praying alone. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 03:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This organization's views are representative of an extreme minority among Muslims (perhaps a few thousand people, at most) since they are part of the Quran-only movement. Both Sunnis and Shiites assert that their adhans date back to the time of the Prophet. 2601:243:903:3F5B:495A:5283:141B:1424 (talk) 20:52, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Original Adhan 

message: I propose this article be merged with the article for Iqama, as both are basically the same topic and Iqama on it’s own barely has any content. — LissanX (talk) 02:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger with Iqama 

message: There has been a lot of coverage of the Adhan in the COVID-19 pandemic, some of which has now found itself to this article. It should ideally be in its own article.VR talk 16:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article: "Adhan during COVID-19 pandemic" 

message: I propose removing this part from the lead:
It adds nothing to the article and is already gone through in detail in the contents of the Adhan. The part mentioning the Takbir in particular is especially meaningless. — LissanX (talk) 05:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there’s been no opposition or support from anyone, I’m going to go ahead and remove the line. — LissanX (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing essentially useless paragraph 

message: In the Transliteration column in the table in § text, every entry contains a superscript character that looks like a footnote link but isn't: , , or . What are they? They are not explained anywhere in the article. --Thnidu (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are u and I? 

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thread_title:  "Vaanku" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Allah me girma 
Allah me girma 
Na shaida babu abun bautawa da gaskiya se Allah 
Kuma na shaida Annabi Muhammad (s a w) ma aikin Allah ne 
Ku taho kuyi sallah 
Ku taho ga babban rabo Idris garba nigeria (talk) 08:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adhan in hausa language 

message: The image shown is actually the iqamah, not the adhan. Miniexe21 (talk) 01:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About picture showing adhan in Arabic