Talk:Shropshire

message: Salop is NOT Abbr of Shropshire, its a completely different name!
Salop was changed to Shropshire as it was deemed highly offensive to French speakers. 
Also if it ever appears anywhere today it is merely out of date or some older member of the community getting confused.
:Taken from Shrewsbury:
::Shrewsbury was known to the Anglo-Saxons as Scrobbesburh (dative Scrobbesbyrig), which has several meanings; "fort in the scrub-land region", "Scrobb's fort", "shrubstown" or "the town of the bushes". This name was gradually corrupted in three directions, into 'Sciropscire' which became Shropshire, into 'Sloppesberie', which became Salop/Salopia (the historical name for the county), and into 'Schrosberie' which eventually became the name of the county town, Shrewsbury.
:Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived talk

message: It appears that this character had no connection with Shropshire - there is a Joshua Norton listed as born in what is now Telford, but it's almost certainly not the same one. I've deleted the reference. Jon Rob 14:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. David 16:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor Norton 

message: Looking the the highest point in several counties and cna't find shorpshire's highest point int he geography subsection, anyone know??? Pickle 01:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brown Clee Hill 540m. David 09:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may also find this page useful - List of English counties by highest point. David 19:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest Point 

message: On our local radio station CFM Radio the other day it was stated in a quiz contest that Shropshire was England's largest county how is this so as it is neither the largest in administrative, historical or cermonial terms.  Anyone got an answer? Penrithguy 16:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 16th in traditional county terms, 14th in administrative terms, and 13th in ceremonial terms; are you sure it wasn't a joke?!? Owain (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shropshire is England's largest INLAND county. David 18:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think it was a joke though I didnt hear the radio very well as it is played at work and I was quite a bit away from it plus its sometimes hard to hear over the noise of the machinery it may have been the largest inland county Penrithguy 21:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is likely you misheard, Shropshire is the largest inland county (landlocked) in the UK (both ceremonial and administrative)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.207.66 (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest County? 

message: I am concerned that User:Justkindness is pushing a pro-Shrewsbury POV in this article. Furthermore, this user is making additions (which although good faith) have numerous grammatical errors. Further, this user is failing to cite sources. Anyone else any thoughts?81.79.44.74 19:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that some of the edits are perhaps not best suited to the introduction of the Shropshire article, particularly the level of depth of description of the constituent parts of Telford, but perhaps it would be best if the issue as a whole were discussed with all parties to help manage this issue. Mouchoir le Souris 21:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I try to re-edit his/her edits so that the POV/grammatical errors are reduced. Would like some help though... David 08:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's getting silly now. The introduction should be just that. No rambling about Mount Gilbert or whatever. Please stop adding stuff to it! Add additional info to the relevant section of the article. David 15:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The Wrekin is only prominent in eastern areas. The Shropshire Hills area can be seen from much further afield than the Wrekin. You failed to add any of that until I had mentioned it. The only objection I have with most of your contributions is that you insist on adding unnecessary information to the introductions to both the Telford and Shropshire articles. Whether I may or may not be young does not affect my ability to contribute correctly. Your grammar WAS inadequate, and I only posted that comment after you had inserted inadequate text a couple of times. Despite this, I failed to mention how you're probably an elderly person with a superiority complex, which would indeed be an insult. Similarly, I find how you brand me as some kind of adolescent who you can easily dismiss with long-winded statements quite condescending. Either way, I have accepted that some of your contributions were fine, so I am unsure why you feel it necessary to demand my 'giving up' of 'working' for WP. 81.79.44.74 17:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: For goodness sake "Justkindness" your view on Shropshire is so Shrewsbury-Wrekin centric it's getting ridiculous. The Wrekin is not that amazing, it's not even in the top 10 highest hills of Shropshire. That is a fact. Your edits are mostly your own opinion. This is an encyclopedia, not your view of Shropshire (which is a very narrow one). And adding that some hills are the oldest in the country - well that's just nonsense, I'm sorry. David 18:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The Wrekin is no more important of a landmark than Caer Caradoc or any of the other large hills which can be seen from most of the county. It's not that I don't like it; I really don't even have to disagree with it; it's just not factual. If you want to state things like that then CITE A SOURCE or two. If my contributions are so opinionated then why has nobody reverted them? I have contributed for a long time, albeit anonymously, and my additions are rarely reverted. You waltz on in as a new user and make sweeping changes to the introduction when they are un-needed. If you have actually got research and 'proper' encyclopedic reasoning to back up your claims then cite them. As regarding your final comment, I can stand people changing my contributions, WHEN they are factually correct and NPOV 81.79.44.74 19:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: What a ridiculous response. I do not 'beaver away' at peoples WORTHY contributions. I don't cite sources because I rarely add anything controversial or non-neutral, hence why my contributions aren't reverted often. What does me being anonymous have to do with anything? My opinion is still just as valuable as yours, just because I don't assign myself some ridiculous alias like 'Justkindness' (oh the irony). You say 'amongst people who know Shropshire well', so would that be all the other editors apart from you? I'm not the only person who has a problem with your contributions. How do I not know Shropshire well? I live in it, I study within it. I'm fed up with arguing with you anyway, you still fail to take on board any of the concerns raised here, and simply readd all the contributions people revert of yours in a different form. 81.79.44.74 12:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On question of The Wrekin's prominence, in the Shropshire Hills article it is EIGHTH within the top ten of Shropshire hills mentioned earlier.Cloptonson (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That list is not of all summits - just the 'significant' ones AND those in the Shropshire Hills AONB, rather than the whole county - there are additional summits in the Stiperstones/Strettons, and also land at the top of the Clun valley, that are at a higher elevation than the Wrekin. David (talk) 09:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits by User:Justkindness

message: I recently deleted the "Ludlow" subsection of the "History" section of this article, but have found lately that this edit has been reverted.  I would like to explain my reasoning for this deletion of information, but I do welcome open discussion about it.  My belief is this: The content of the "Ludlow" subsection is really more worthy of the Ludlow article, as it is only to Ludlow that the content is relevant.  While I agree that Ludlow is in Shropshire, it is not necessary to clutter up the Shropshire article with information that really fits elsewhere, in that: users reading the Shropshire article for the History of Shropshire will be interested in information about Shropshire itself. Those looking for information on Ludlow, and for that matter, Shrewsbury, will look at the dedicated History of Shrewsbury article, or the Ludlow article.  As a result, we should barely touch on the histories of constituent parts of Shropshire in this article, as any more detail wastes space and makes it harder to acquire relevant info from the article, and I feel that the large subsections dedicated to Shrewsbury and Ludlow are simply excessive. Perhaps the content should be moved to the relevant articles (Ludlow, History of Shrewsbury) where it is not already present in those articles. Mouchoir le Souris 20:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, and the article is already stated as 'too long' by the wikipedia software when one comes to edit it anyway. Perhaps a short section (a paragraph maybe?) should be dedicated to notable towns in the main history section?.Asdfasdf1231234 20:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a good way forward. Mouchoir le Souris 21:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits to "History" section 

message: I've added quite a few references to the article, mainly in the introduction and economy sections. More are needed however. 84.64.103.64 19:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Why is Telford and Wrekin (Unitary) highlighted? — DIV (128.250.204.118 02:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is a unitary authority and the other districts are not. It forms part of the ceremonial county but not the non-metropolitan county. This is standard practice across Wikipedia's English county pages. David 15:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  District map 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png

message: The following images were removed from the education section, which is now too small to hold them.  The order below is the same as the order the images appeared from the start of the section to the end. Mouchoir le Souris (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is still there; what had happened was a user had reduced the section's length considerably, and this reduction caused image overlapping, so I moved the pictures concerned here for queueing until such a time as there is space in the article to fit them. Mouchoir le Souris (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image queue 

message: As Beatties has been bought out by House of Fraser, perhaps the image should be changed or deleted? 77.198.170.218 (talk) 19:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image of Beatties - suggestion

message: Is anyone interested in becoming a member of a WikiProject dedicated to the county of Shropshire? If so, please sign your name underthe proposal. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 21:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Shropshire

message: I have edited the map in the Towns and Villages section to come into line with the 2009 government changes. I also added a few more settlements (Clun, Cleobury Mortimer, Donnington, Shifnal, and Baschurch) to fill the gaps left by the border removal. The new map can replace the current one in 2009. On a side note, has anyone prepared any changes for the article post-2009? ChrisJB (talk) 16:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I propose a Shropshire Council page needs creating, dealing with the new unitary council (but NOT the area it covers - this can adequately be covered in the Shropshire article, especially as 90% of the county will be the new unitary area). David (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Regarding the map - the locations of Bishop's Castle and Whitchurch are rather out-of-place. David (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, you're right. I'll get on to fixing it ASAP. ChrisJB (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Done. Their positions have been adjusted accordingly. ChrisJB (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well whilst you're at it, could you also correct Craven Arms (should be slightly further SSE - ie further down the A49), Wem (should not be on the A49 - ie move it SW a bit) and Newport (should be slightly further W - ie to the west of the A41). Cheers! David (talk) 00:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Lol, well would've been handier to tell me before I did the other modifications! Oh well, I'll get on to it soon, need to correct the EP in Telford anyway. :) ChrisJB (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, they're all done. Hopefully it's alright now. ChrisJB (talk) 20:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Should this map actually be implemented now, as the new version just shows how things are now really, as the districts of the county are not of the same subdivision as the Telford & Wrekin Unitary Authority and Shropshire ceremonial county. The new version is clearly more factually accurate, and I'm not going to update the current one just for the sake of a few months when it seems unnecessary. What does everyone think? ChrisJB (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah just use the new one now. It's fine as the two sub-divisions of the ceremonial county are both non-metropolitan counties. (This won't change upon the creation of the second unitary authority, which merely involves the abolition of the existing districts in the main non-metropolitan county.) David (talk) 20:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the '2009' map to the article, replacing the older one. David (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 county map 

message: I have established the Shropshire Council article. Please read the Talk:Shropshire Council page. Thanks. David (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shropshire Council 

message: Just a note that I've recently managed to get the article on the M54 motorway to Good article status! I hope we can get more Shropshire-related articles to GA status or better! Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 19:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  M54 motorway 

message: I was surprised to see Roy Wood mentioned here, since he's very famously a Brummie. Does he now live in Wem? DrDaveHPP (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Latest information via his wikipedia article - which makes no mention of Wem, nor does his name appear in the article on Wem among its list of Notable townspeople - is that he lives in Derbyshire, so he has moved on from Shropshire. I am tempted to delete his name from the list in this article for lack of citation evidence.Cloptonson (talk) 20:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roy Wood 

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message: Shropshire is often used as a throwaway reference in fiction, to represent the stereotype of "somewhere remote that few people ever visit" (lovely as the county is, and speaking as a proud Salopian myself). Such references are often used only in passing. In the Cultural References section, there is a list of points, mostly concerning TV, film and novels that feature Shropshire in some way. In my opinion, many of these are non-notable; for example, a major fictional character who briefly remembers visiting Shropshire, or a minor character who comes from Shropshire. Shropshire is also used as a handy bit of countryside near enough to the BBC Birmingham drama studios in which to film occasional brief rural scenes in a number of television series.
I recommend that this list be trimmed, and the baseline for notability for fiction being that the cultural work is primarily or subsantially set or filmed in Shropshire (eg. Clockwise, The Green Green Grass) or a major reference in a world-famous work (eg. PG Woodhouse characters and locations). This would mean that the following would be removed:
* A one-word mention in one Friends episode
* A one-word mention in A Room With a View
* A one-word mention in Green Wing
* A throwaway character background in Irene Adler novels
* Ted and Ralph special in the Fast Show (the Fast Show spanned 25 episodes, only one of which was shot in Shropshire and then only partially)
* Jonathan Strange (a passing reference to Shropshire only, and the work is hardly world-famous)
* Tolkien's Shire (no major reference to Shropshire; critics have suggested a link to the West Midlands region but no more)
...and replace this with the paragraph "In addition to the following substantial cultural references, Shropshire is also often used as a one-word throwaway stereotype to represent somewhere remote that few people ever visit.[references] Various parts of Shropshire, particularly the south, are also used to film occasional or brief rural scenes in works which do not otherwise heavily feature the county.[references]" with [references] replaced by cited examples (eg. Friends quote, Ted and Ralph special). Consensus? Andrew Oakley (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good idea, when looking at that part of the page, we do look like we are grasping at straws, I dont feel prowd that it was once mentioned in Friends, not really notable enough really User:Novacool88 (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-notable cultural references 

message: I know this is mentioned above, but it's been two years so I thought I should start a new discussion here. I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Shropshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Shropshire has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started a very basic page for WikiProject Shropshire to get it up and running. Feel free to help if you can. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Shropshire

message: There are conflicting figures for population density in the introduction and the infobox, which isn't reassuring as to the helpfulness of the rest of the article.  The reference in the introduction no longer exists, but a search finds a statistics page at the council website.  This page has 2009 figures which relate to the council area, apparently the Admin Area part of the infobox, smaller than the cermonial area.  The figure for actual population in the same source is only given as 291,800.  This results in the 91/km2 figure.  The infobox uses 2008 figures, and covers the ceremonial county; I imagine the much higher density is due to including Telford and Wrekin.  I don't have a particular opinion on which is better, but picking just one would surely be an improvement over contradicting itself immediately. -- Shimmin Beg (talk) 14:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Hoax? Just figure some editors of this page may have heard of this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, of course it's a hoax! David (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shropshire pudding]] 

message: The St Asaph Diocese, which hitherto covered parishes in north-west Shropshire, did NOT go out of existence in 1920 and is extant (2012).  What happened that year was that the Church in Wales was disestablished and the English parishes in Shropshire ceded to the neighbouring English diocese, Lichfield.  I have corrected the error with citation to A History of Shropshire by Barrie Trinder.Cloptonson (talk) 20:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice in the article on Selattyn that it is stated it was the only Anglican church not merely in Shropshire but England to vote to be included in the Church in Wales and hence St Asaph Diocese. I have raised a citation need in the article for this statement but it appears this may be only exception to what I have said, although Trinder seems to have been unaware of Selattyn's case.Cloptonson (talk) 09:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: History - Dioceses

message: "Charles Darwin (1809–82), whose theory of evolution by natural selection is the foundation of modern biological sciences"... Well it isn't, even if some admirers think so. Evolutionary Biology is just another discipline within many in Biology. --197.229.128.14 (talk) 16:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: There is virtually nothing about the history of the county. For example, which side was it on during the Civil War? Valetude (talk) 22:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Loyalties were divided though it was predominantly royalist at start - see Shropshire in the English Civil War for more info.Cloptonson (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Given both are unitary authorities. Shouldnt Shropshire have a local government district of its own like Cheshire East and Cheshire West and Chester did. As Cheshire is kept for the ceremonial county and the two Unitary authorities are given two separate articles and Telford also has one. It be able to have one given it contains Shrewsbury Ludlow Oswestry Ellesmere Church Stretton and Bridgnorth? RailwayJG (talk) 20:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It would be almost the same as this article. There's Shropshire Council already too. Please, please don't go ahead and create this superfluous article until you get support from other editors, because I can assure you will annoy people like never before creating pointless articles of duplication. 2.25.185.223 (talk) 15:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

text: RailwayJG asked on my talk page, see User talk:Crouch, Swale#Your opinion on some new unitary authority pages: about this after County Durham (district) was created, see Talk:County Durham/Archive 1#District? Borough? Clarity where I suggested this should perhaps be discussed but I didn't recommend that this time since no objections had occurred. Perhaps Shropshire Council should be merged with Shropshire (district) like Warwick District Council and what was done with Ashfield District Council. Crouch, Swale (talk)  16:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article for Shropshire? 

message: I have deleted from the list of Notable people the ornithologist Stephen Marchant because he has no demonstrable link with Shropshire. His article erroneously states his birth village of Weston-under-Lizard is in Shropshire, but in fact it has always been in Staffordshire albeit bordering Shropshire. I have corrected the county identification in the latter article accordingly. He can be reinstated on the list in this article if citeable evidence of living in Shropshire can be found, please ignore sources which state Weston-under-Lizard as being in Shropshire.Cloptonson (talk) 20:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Marchant

message: Is it still pertinent for this article to carry a reference to Eurostats, now that UK has Brexit-ed the EU?Cloptonson (talk) 12:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Eurostat Number (section Geography, subsection Statistical)

message: I notice the list starts with "Adcote nr Shrewsbury". While the house is an architecturally interesting Listed Building (Norman Shaw mansion that had been a home to the Darbys), it is a working independent school which would not be open to the public. There are no other buildings on that list that are schools. All the other sites listed have in common being accessible to the public. Delete from list?Cloptonson (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Places of Interest - should Adcote be included?

message: I believe Shropshire is England's largest landlocked county, and see that some people have mentioned this in above comments on this talk page. I would think it would be good if this information were added to the article per se, and were put quite near the start of the article. YTKJ (talk) 18:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: England's largest landlocked county

message: I have deleted it from the list of Places of Interest as it closed in 2021 and Shropshire Council, the museum operators are relinquishing their lease to the landowners in 2023. It can be reinstated at such time as the owners, Acton Scott manor estate, reopen the museum in future.Cloptonson (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Acton Scott Historic Working Farm Museum