Talk:Tarzan

message: I have not rated the article because I have worked on the article, but whoever rated Tarzan as of "low" importance clearly knows nothing of comic book history.  I read articles in fanzines, and even in professional magazines, that are clearly written by a person for whom comic books = superheroes, and who consider, for example, Bouncing Boy as more important than Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, or Tarzan.  We need someone who is impartial, but who has read some comic books that are not superhero comic books, to rate this article. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance of Tarzan 

message: As this B-Class article has yet to receive a review, it has been rated as C-Class. If you disagree and would like to request an assesment, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment and list the article. Hiding T  14:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: C-Class rated for Comics Project

message: Michael Heseltine`s nickname "Hezza" has no connection with his other nickname of "Tarzan". "Hezza" comes from the British habit of putting "zza" onto the first syllable of either a surname, as in footballer Paul Gascoine being called "Gazza", or a first name as in anyone called Barry being called "Bazza" or Terry known as "Tezza".94.197.175.82 (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia :- "Hezza" 

message: The article neglects discussion of the influence of this series of books, films etc. The strong imagery of Tarzan played a significant part in the perception of sub-Saharan Africa in the West in the twentieth century. The extensive, popular appearance of the Tarzan character across all kinds of media adds weight to this. Issues concerned include
* Portrayal of sub-Saharan Africa as homogeneous
* Portrayal as exclusively rural
* Almost complete lack of portrayal of any civilisation
* Portrayal of the local peoples as exclusively primitive and savage
There are many easily accessible academic citations to support these opinions and a relevant 'Influence' section could include mention of them.
I'm looking for authoritative citations of the statement that Edgar Rice Burroughs never visited Africa in his lifetime - I have also read that he never visited Africa until after he had written the early Tarzan books. His WKP entry claims the former. It is significant, given the equatorial African setting of the Tarzan books, and Tarzan's status as a cultural icon. It seems evident that ERB obtained his portrayal of Africa from the writings of the African explorers of the time such as J. W. Buell's Heroes of the Dark Continent
H.M. Stanley's 'In Darkest Africa'
Edward J. Glave's 'In Savage Africa' and Lionel Decle's 'Three Years in Savage Africa'
. These volumes are all from ERB's personal library, as archived by Danton Burroughs in Tarzana, California. There's more, but the slant is evident.
The paragraph discussing racism is very poorly written, inaccurate, and not NPOV. The Tarzan books and movies were being criticised as racist before the 1970s, as early as the 1950s, and probably earlier. The example of the description of the local peoples ('blacks' in the article!), is actually positive, compared with a more representative example of an objectionable description that could have been used. Pertinent example from Chapter 9 of Tarzan of the Apes:
their great protruding lips added still further to the low and bestial brutishness of their appearance
The issue of racism in the novels has little to do with whether or not ERB portrayed the local inhabitants as 'individuals with good and bad traits' in some of the books, nor whether stereotyping was 'the custom in popular fiction of the time'. The section goes on to state that 'Burroughs opinions reflected common attitudes of the time, which in a 21st-century context would be considered racist and sexist'. These are further apologia. While true, they were good old racist and sexist attitudes in the 20th century and considered as such - even if this racism and sexism was only widely recognised in the second half of the 2oth century. The section needs sorting out. Centrepull (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence - Critical Reception section needs considerable remix 

message: Since there is a section describing the character of Tarzan in ERB's books, and it is noted that there are Tarzan films, the article should mention somewhere the fact that the character in the Tarzan films (except the film Greystoke) is utterly different from the character in the Tarzan books. Tom129.93.17.213 (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. Just remember ex. Bo Derek and "Tarzan" in Africa with an orangutan... --RicHard-59 (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarzan's character in ERB's books and in film 

message: Is there a need to list all possible places one can download free Tarzan ebooks, when Project Gutenberg and Gutenberg Australia have all possible ERB ebooks available? HolyEbooks have three...--RicHard-59 (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebooks 

message: Although it's been a while since I last read a Tarzan boon, as best I recall, in none of them did ERB describe Tarzan's mode of travel through the trees as swinging from vines, which I believe is an artifact of the movies as much as the "Me Tarzan, you Jane" mode of dialogue. ERB was somewhat vague in his description of Tarzan going through the trees, but such description as he did provide seemed to indicate the Apeman used branches and not vines. Wschart (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swinging from vines? 

message: The "Unauthorised Works" section tells of the Israeli Tarzan adventures of the 1960s. It refers to these as "brochures" e.g. "a thriving industry of locally-produced Tarzan adventures published weekly in 24-page brochures."
Pretty sure that "brochures" is the wrong word here, I'm guessing a mistranslation. paxman (talk) 12:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli "brochures" - or comics? 

message: "The aristocracy (except the House of Greystoke) and royalty are invariably effete.[16]" With a citation to one book?  Unless that book says they are alway effete, this does not qualify as a legitimate citation for the statement. Am I wrong? 07:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations 

message: The actor Lex Barker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Barker   is not listed as one of the actors who played Tarzan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.201.107 (talk) 16:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lex Barker 

message: Wolf Larson starred as Tarzan
Lydie Denier as Jane. 
(1991-1992)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.87.189.182 (talk) 13:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  You forgot to mention one Tarzan TV series 

message: The page states that Neil Gaiman's The Graveyard Book uses many themes from Tarzan. In fact, it is based explicitly on Kipling's The Jungle Books, even to the extent of having parallel titles; any similarity between Gaiman's work and Burroughs' can be attributed to Burroughs' having been influenced by Kipling, not by Gaiman having been influenced by Burroughs.
174.61.203.124 (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Graveyard Book 

message: I've read 4 out of 5 of the Tarzan books written under that name and while they were imaginative, they were also forgettable, not having Burroughs' fantastic writing skills.(88.22.225.93 (talk) 17:40, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Barton Werper

message: This has been seen in various guises, and is of course wrong. Tigers do not live in Africa Myles325a (talk) 10:31, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor is there a city of Opar in Africa, nor great apes.  It's fiction, relax.Skookum1 (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @ No great apes in Africa??  Even if you don't count humans among the Great Apes (some do, but it makes me uncomfortable), four of the seven currently living Great Apes are from Africa.  Those are the two species of gorilla, and the chimpanzee and its close relative the bonobo.  The only Great Apes that DON'T come from/live in Africa are the three species of orangutan.Uporządnicki (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

text: I believe the tiger wrestling happened in India. Burroughs wasn't an idiot. 24.85.252.83 (talk) 05:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  tarzan fighting tigers 

message: I've been trying to find online versions of the comic strip which used to come with the Saturday comics in the '70s, the artwork was excellent, don't see any of it in the various sites I've found, and noting the list here it's all comic books, not the syndicated strips.  Any idea whose they were?  I remember a sequence when he was in some lost Egyptian city, and the priests made warriors with crocodile, rhino, lion heads etc and were going to do the same to him.  Shouldn't the syndicated versions be here too, or are they just syndications of the comic book contents? Tarzan always wins, of course ;-).  Please reply on my talkpage, I don't have this on my watchlist...Skookum1 (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comic STRIPS, not comic books

message: You also left out the Crash Test Dummies' hit song, "Superman's Song," in which they contrast the two heroes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.229.254 (talk) 02:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash Test Dummies 

message: I changed the line that claims Jane Porter and her party were marooned on  the same island as the Greystokes. Tarzan's parents were abandoned on the coast of Africa, not an island off the African coast.24.85.252.83 (talk) 05:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adult life: parents not on an island 

message: Honestly, I think we list far too many of the actors who played Tarzan there.  We already have a section of the article detailing the actors individually, and to list all of them (or most) in the infobox just makes it cluttered, in my opinion.  Could we do an inter-article link or something basically saying "See detailed list in the article" or something of that nature?  Plus we have even added at least one who appeared in rip-off, unauthorized films.  Where does it end? Sir Rhosis (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Actor Credits in Infobox

message: Whoever keeps putting that Phil Collins stuff up in the first part needs to learn to do research.
Hindsight is 20-20. I saw at least the first Barton Werper unauthorized Tarzan book, Tarzan and the Silver Globe, at a news-stand in 1964. (I might have seen 1 or 2 others of the 5.) The Silver Globe is the Moon. Yes, like Dick Tracy, Peanuts character Snoopy [and probably his brother Spike], etc., Tarzan went to the Moon! This wiki article explained why I can no longer get this book: because it was unauthorized, it was taken off the market and unsold copies destroyed. I'm guessing that it cost 95 cents, instead of the 40 cents for Ace versions, and 50 cents for Ballantine Books versions of ERB's works. I figured, "If the real deal [ERB, then still alive] costs only 40-50 cents, why on Earth would I pay twice that for a knock-off author?!" I didn't, and now I regret it. I read the approximately 70 ERB reprints as a freshman and sophomore in high school. His 4-to-6-page glossaries of the exotic languages of the great apes and Barsoom [Mars] prompted me to minor in Linguistics at UCSD and UCSB; a discipline I enjoy dabbling in to this day. Totally unrelated to Tarzan/ERB, but I've also enjoyed reading (and re-reading) the Fu Manchu Omnibus by [pen name] Sax Rohmer. And I get a kick out of describing Fu Manchu stories by other authors as the "Faux Manchu" Canon. - Bob Gorby, Southern California 2602:304:B190:1DC0:E15D:E912:740A:B5C3 (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phil Collins? 

message: Can Tarzan and the gorillas talk in the book? --Trisha Gaurav (talk) 05:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Book Gorilla Behavior

message: Is "Tarzan and the Valley of Gold" the last official novel in the Tarzan series or is there a 26th book and/or more books for that matter. Danishjaveed (talk) 23:54, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  So Tarzan: The Epic Adventures is 26th, The Dark Heart of Time is 27th, Tarzan: The Greystoke Legacy is 28th, Jane: The Woman Who Loved Tarzan is 29th, Tarzan: The Jungle Warrior is 30th, Tarzan: The Savage Lands is 31st, Tarzan: Return to Pal-ul-don is 32nd, Tarzan on the Precipice is 33rd and King Kong Vs. Tarzan 34th? Danishjaveed (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-ERB Books

message: Frank Westwood who was an avid Tarzan fan and knew the Burroughs family persuaded them to use a standard logo for the Tarzan comics and strips rather than the artist continually changing it. I cannot back this up but he told me while talking to me (about 1970) at a comic convention above the Eagle pub in north London (5.8.187.247 (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: Is it worth noting that according to Prof Porter, the cabin where Tarzan was born was in Angola?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.184.247 (talk) 03:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: The article uses the following phrasing "Burroughs' opinions, manifested through the narrative voice in the stories, reflect common attitudes in his time, which in a 21st-century context would be considered racist and sexist."
Just because the attitudes were common in his time does not mean they were not racist and sexist in his time. The fact that White supremacy was the mainstream philosophy among Whites at the time of the writing does not make his writing any less racist. Would we say that the views of Nazis were common in that time in Germany but in today's context they would be considered anti-Semitic? No. We would accurately describe Nazis' views as anti-Semitic just as we should describe Burroughs' opinions as racist and sexist. The times do not excuse the views. Cook Addison Ely (talk) 03:54, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just going to come out and call you a complete and utter idiot for comparing Edgar Rice Burroughs to the Nazi party, who shared absolutely zero similar views with the Nazi party of Germany and did not view the world through a lens of White Supremacy, you absolute fool.2601:49:1:5316:3C82:2083:9C0:30A0 (talk) 04:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism and Sexism 

message: Twice mentioned in article without explanation. Equinox ◑ 22:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is "the Kavuru"? 

message: There's a picture caption here that says: "Tarzan's agility, speed, and strength allow him to kill a tiger in 1921's The Adventures of Tarzan."  But the picture is quite obviously a leopard, not a tiger. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe tigers were too expensive, so they hired a stand-in. BPK (talk) 17:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaking of tigers/leopards 

message: after this source: https://www.erbzine.com/mag15/1501.html and Philip José Farmers books it seems plausible that "III" could also be correct.... today. Also in the last movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Tarzan_(film) ) he is official John Clayton III, 5th Earl of Greystoke. Qwertzu111111 (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Clayton II or John Clayton III? 

message: I think this clause in the lead should be reworked to "He later travels to the West" because the current phrasing is racist to black people - implying Africa (where he lives) is primitive whereas the West isn't. This line of thinking is the way the book is written - and considering the criticism of the book outlined in the article - this morphology is thus WP:NPOV. Plus, it's vague wording anyway. "Travels to the West" is more specific. Also that Gaiman citation has nothing to do with this edit. I didn't type it and it doesn't pop up during editing - only when I view the page. I only noticed it after typing this the first time. Must be a formatting error from a previous topic. Stephanie921 (talk) 21:32, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally wrong. This is simple and obvious failure of reading comprehension, as the other user clearly stated in the edit summaries. The guy is literally feral and raised by animals, as it clearly says. Nothing in the world could possibly be clearer. — Smuckola(talk) 22:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "He later experiences civilization" 

message: The redirect Leopord from Tarzan has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Joy (talk) 08:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Leopord from Tarzan]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Just had to ruin the article by including gender, race, and stereotyping. You can't leave anything alone. I hope history looks back on you a laughs. GTO3DEUCES (talk) 13:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  You people are simply unbelievable