Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronics/Archive 2

message: Could I ask all parties on this project to take a look at the very relevant discussions just started on talk:electrical engineering and provide comments, if you wish, as to the best way to deal with the mass of information existing and the best way to differentiate between electrical engineering and electronics engineering giving a world wide view. It would be good to get as wide a consensus as possible and represent the widest views and concerns before we attempt to rearrange the material again. Thanks--Light current 16:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open discussion on reformulation of electrical engineering and electronics engineering pages 

message: There is an important vote underway on the subject of the electrical engineering page and my recent edits to it and how it relates to electronics engineering. Would project members kindly look at the discussions on that talk page when they have some time and express their opinions? Thank you!.--Light current 17:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important vote 

message: When I edited the transistor page, I changed the explanation of the BJT operation from a voltage controlled device to a current controlled device. I figured sooner or later it would be questioned, and I think I understand the confusion. In circuitry the transistor is typically "controlled" by applying a voltage to the base-emitter junction, if the base-emitter voltage is above approx. 0.7V the transistor is on. There is even an equation for collector current to base-emitter voltage, Ic=Is(exp(Vbe/Vt))
:A transistor is ON at any positive bias voltage. Look at the equation for collector current--Light current 02:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please consider changing this back. We have been thro this discussion, THe BJT is voltage controlled. See Bill Beatys site: amasci.com--Light current 00:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I dont think he says actually that a BJT voltage-controlled insulator does he. He says the depletion layer in some ways acts like a voltage controlled insultor. Any way the BJT is more voltage controlled than current controlled would you not say? The question of photoelectric effects etc are neither here nor there as far as normal transistor action is involved.--Light current 00:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah yes that's his short version. The long version is better. We all? know how to turn on a transistor and we dont use a battery across the BE. But sometimes we do use the voltage drop across a diode as per current mirror don't we?. If you maintained the BE voltage at say 0.65 V are you saying that there is a condition where it would not have any collector current flowing?. I've not heard of this one. Do you have any details?--Light current 03:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJT, voltage-controlled or current-controlled 

message: OK. Now I think we have enough stuff to start to compose an historical article on the outlandish ideas of Mr Ivor Catt BSc. Many of his controversial ideas have been quite thoroughly discussed by AC, LC, 'O', Pfalstad etc on the talk:capacitor and other talk pages.
We could start with his outrageous transmission line capacitor claims, then move on to his transmission line inductor stuff, then report on his claims about charge not existing, no displacement current, no need for electric current, the supremacy of EM radiation above all else etc., etc,. Any offers from anyone to start it off?--Light current 17:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ivor?  Is that you?  Pfalstad 19:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivor Catt Historical Article 

message: When I started the project I wrote that the page was still a draft at the beginning, but now we really started working properly, and I don't think we are working on a draft anymore.
I wanted to leave it until we found a solution about a drawing programme for circuits, but now I relised that there is nothing like what we want, and we still have to wait a long time.
I suggest to clean up the main page, moving the TODO-like lists in other sub-pages, merging the different signed comments about programmes in one general comment and so on. We could add a nice picture at the beginning of the page, just to make it nicer. I took a look at wikicommons featured images for it: I might suggest :Image:Plasma-lamp.jpg, but there are others here. Alessio Damato 13:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have some electronics photos I took myself. I'll have a look to see if I have anything suitable to upload Would you like to start the tidy up proceedure?--Light current 13:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok, I'll start doing something later. Alessio Damato 11:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a radical clean-up and reorganization of the main page, moving away lots of things in their own page. I did it for both the talk page and the list of tasks. Let's talk about the things you don't agree with and keep on cleaning up! I have chosen the picture quite randomly: if you see anything nicer just change it. Alessio Damato 15:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a draft anymore 

message: Circuit design contains only information that has been merged into either resistor or capacitor. Do we delete this page now to prevent others from erroneously adding inapproriate material, or do we keep the title but redefine the desired content. Opinions here please.--Light current 13:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When I first started the page, i intended to make a page for novice / beginners in Electronics and electronics hobbists. i thought of giving the electronics project tips and tools like things. but then I received a message that i was vandalizing the page. i still think of continuing it :( --Davy Jones 02:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it looked like vandalism.  If you make a change that big, you have to discuss it on a discussion page first, and then put a note in your edit summary referring to the discussion.  Otherwise somebody will assume its vandalism and revert it.  Also I think you were doing a "how-to" page for beginners, which isn't really appropriate for an encyclopedia like wikipedia.  It would work well in wikibooks, I think.  Pfalstad 02:20, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the page could be saved. Basic explanation of circuit design (for the uninformed) Purpose of circuit design, tools used in circuit design, techniques of circuit design. I'm just brainstorming at the moment. Snafflekid 02:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure that integrated circuit design would be any smaller. I can put up an outline for circuit design and see what direction it takes. If it is too big then, be bold... Snafflekid 00:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I have started a integrated circuit design article, which will be a work-in-progress for a while I believe. Please add anything that comes to mind and I'd be happy to elaborate on it. Snafflekid 20:19, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

text: All I can say is that we are all behind you. --Davy Jones 02:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I honestly agree with Pfalstad. this should have been in Wikibooks. and by the way, i came across a page in wikipedia which gives links to internal pages with list of articles with C programs --Davy Jones 04:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defunct page 

message: There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Digital Communication Systems which I started, but not much activity has gone on, with the exception of fixing up Phase-shift keying. --HappyCamper 00:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it to the (new) list of sister projects. Welcome to our project :-) Alessio Damato 15:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a note