Talk:Jimmy Greaves

message: Does anyone know what the "London-to-Mexico World Cup Rally" is? Is this real or some kind of vandalism? Arthur Holland 13:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit out of place but Greaves was for a time a rally car driver. Here is a short paragrph (scroll to 28th May). I was in London at the time an saw him drive by. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Splendid. That explains that. Thanks. Arthur Holland 00:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "In 1960 he became the youngest ever player to score 100 league goals in English football at the age of 20 years 290 days (and at 23 was the same age as Dixie Dean when he scored his 200th)."
I'm not in the know on the player and don't want to wrongly edit, but this statement can't possibly be true. For it to be possible Dixie would have to have scored 101 league goals in the space of twelve months. Either Dixie Dean was younger when he scored his 100th, or the reference is vandalism by a sensitive Everton fan.
Jimmy Greaves was born Dagenham, and not West Ham.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.58.18 (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dixie Dean reference is mentioned in various place. "Your comment about 101 league goals in the space of twelve months" is based on your miscalculation. The intervening period is not 12 months, but a minimum of 2 years and 70 days.46.7.85.68 (talk) 20:24, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Dixie Dean reference

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Text states 9 goals in 12 games but stats tables has it as 14 games.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.61.169 (talk) 20:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The FA  seem to think he won the title. A reliable source I would have thought. Others seem to differ without any explanation.--Egghead06 (talk) 07:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Inter Milan reference

message: I think it's fair to say that this article fails to make reference to the numerous goalscoring records held by Greaves. As an example, he holds the record for the most first division goals, he also holds the record for most seasons as the 1st Division's leading scorer. His total of first class goals is only beaten by John Aldridge by one goal, but Aldridge scored well over 100 goals in the lower divisions, whereas all of Greaves goals were scored playing for first division teams or England. He also holds the record for most hat tricks for England. 86.42.241.158 (talk) 20:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well perhaps you could add some information on this with citations, anyone is able to make contributions to the article rather than just comment here.Tmol42 (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Records 

message: Of the top goal scorers needs citation? Its not an opinion as stated its PURE FACT
(And I am a Manchester United fan)
Englands 3rd goalscorer of all time
6! Hat Tricks for England
Scored 5 goals in games
In Top 5 of BOTH Chelsea and Spurs ALL TIME GOAL SCORERS LISTS
SPURS TOP ALL TIME GOALSCORER
No.	Player	Club Appearances	Total Goals	Domestic League	Domestic Cup	Europe	Goals Per Game
1.	 Jimmy Greaves	379	266	220	37	9	0.70
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._records_and_statistics
CHELSEA ALL TIME GOALSCORERS
7	 Jimmy Greaves	1957–1961	124	3	2	3	0	132
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._records_and_statistics  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinDibs (talk • contribs) 00:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How could Aldrige scored first class goals whilst not at a First Division club?--EchetusXe 18:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ONE OF THE GREATEST GOALSCORERS OF ALL TIME 

message: How is this article a GA given a) the amount of unreferenced content and b) the amount of content attributed to his autobiography? GiantSnowman 07:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ? GiantSnowman 07:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know. I was a major contributor to the enhancements to the article this year (mostly because I acquired a copy of his autobiography) but neither the nominator for GA nor a reviewer for GA status. I don't have access to my books at the mo but seem to remember his goals etc. are listed in his book.--Egghead06 (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you serious? Virtually every sentence has a reference at the end but ok, no references in the honours section. So we need to find a reference for the fact that Jimmy Greaves won the World Cup with England in 1966? As for the autobiography point: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves. Are you coming down on point five that "the article is not based primarily on such sources." I could get ahold of a biography that could replace the autobiography references for such uncontentious facts such as "Greaves scored five goals in a 6–2 win against league champions Wolverhampton Wanderers in the third match of the 1958–59 season", but honestly I have better things to do with my time. It more than meets the GA criteria.--EchetusXe 13:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, using an autobio for some stuff is fine - but not for the vast majority of the article! It currently should not be a GA. GiantSnowman 19:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Page 3 of Greavsie, his autobiography, "I was born in Manor Park, East London, in February 1940"........--Egghead06 (talk) 06:07, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the comment on McKay reaching the end of his career, Greaves book does not say this. It says that management were starting to dismantle the double winning side by 1963.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Not sure it is "my" interpretation but another editors. Feel free to edit it yourself. Wiki is the encyclopedia anyone can edit.....--Egghead06 (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

text: It's all here. --Egghead06 (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot exactly what Greaves said, but I have no edited it remove the reference to retirements.--EchetusXe 17:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

text: I am surprised that this article, informative as it is, reached GA status without a section on the subject's early life. Other than a sentence or two at the start of the 'Chelsea' heading, there is nothing at all on that topic. A GA review might be in order. The language in the template should also be British English. Regards 00:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA 

message: Unless I have just woken up in a parrallel Wikipedia Universe i thought there is a general style of table on many footballers' pages which includes their career records that have remained intact for some time. So I am a bit surprised out of the blue to see Jimmy Greaves plucked from all those for the blitz of his entire stats table whereas there has been to date, nor seems no concerted exercise now to strip all other similar former and current footballers' articles of the stats tables. If one were to start anywhere why not pick off those which include 'assists' many of which are also not referenced satisifactorily. Some discussion here or if there is felt to be a need to move to denude all such articles a discussion initiated on the Wikipedia Project Page would be a consensual way to proceed. Tmol42 (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what the problem is here. These three tables were/are referenced. His book details his club goals (and all of his club appearances) and online sources are noted for internationals.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: Greaves joined West Ham in (item says) Mar 1970 . Item also says that Greaves took part in the Mexico Rally while out of the Spurs first team. Rally started in Apr 70. by which time he was at West Ham.46.7.85.68 (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the "out of the Spurs first team" bit.--EchetusXe 17:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico Rally? 

message: I recall that when the transfer was first announced, it was as a part exchange for Martin Peters who at £200,000 (not £220,000 as reported here, was then Britan's most expensive player. The press reported that Greaves was the makeweight in the deal at £80,000. Greaves later stated in the press, that the correct price was £54,000. If you Google "Jimmy Greaves £54,000", there are numerous sources to confirm this.46.7.85.68 (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Greaves states in his own book Greavsie (page 302 in my edition), "My value in the Martin Peters deal was put at £90,000". Guess he should know?--Egghead06 (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Any sarcasm is entirely interpreted as such by you. As usual Wiki descends into personal comment and judgement in an instant. What joy!!!!--Egghead06 (talk) 13:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

text: If you Google 'Jimmy Greaves £54,000' then there are no reliable sources to see, just a few places that mirror an old version of the Wikipedia page. It seems to be generally reported that Peters was bought for £200,000 though, which casts doubt on the accuracy of the valuation figures Greaves stated. In the absence of a convincing source to give a definitive answer I have simply removed the valuations and stated he moved in part-exchange for Martin Peters. I don't see why you are getting so worked up about it either way, it is not uncommon for different sources to have slight discrepancies over transfer fees. They can sometimes be complicated, perhaps Greaves included a signing on fee into the total transfer amount, or there was some stipulation that later added £20,000 to the final fee, or a friendly fixture, or a paying off of Greaves' contract, or any number of factors.--EchetusXe 17:46, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Ham Transfer Fee. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There were headers for the  and the one book, labeling them as 'general' and 'specific'. I've removed both, as they're unnecessary since inline citations are obviously 'specific' references.
I added a "Further Reading" section for the one formerly 'general' reference (Greaves' autobiography), but it explicitly stated in the Wikipedia MOS that "Further Reading" should not include a book cited in the inline citations, especially if it's cited numerous times, as is the case here.
I'd like to reformat the first inline reference to the autobiography and delete it from "Further Reading". Any comments? Matuko (talk) 03:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Harry kane in now tottenhams highest scorer with 267 198.135.149.251 (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 267 is less than 268. Mwiqdoh (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Even though he is clearly no longer (joint) top scorer, there is still a dispute over his final Spurs tally. Spike 'em (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We already say "The club attributes him to 266 blah blah blah" what are we disputing about now? Mwiqdoh (talk) 04:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the highest scorer