Talk:Box wine

message: Hi contributors - I've read through the talk page here and refactored the article to produce a more international focus and remove marketing-speak as those two things were resulting in the article being disjointed to the point of being uninformative. One major change is the section "Pros and cons" (originally spawned from a sales-based vandalism of the article some time ago) is now "attributes" to describe the package itself rather than why you should buy it instead of bottles. Additionally the flow of "history" has been improved somewhat going from initial 1960s invention through rise in premium sales originating in 2000s rather than being randomly ordered facts. I think it's worth discussing removing the "controversy" section as it is not well referenced and doesn't add anything to the article as it's more of a marketing editorial. aerotheque (talk) 12:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2015 refactor (+intl, -marketing) 

message: I did find two things in the article that most likely aren't true. 
: environmentally friendly: how is box wine more environmentally friendly than recyclable glass bottles? 
: established a steady market across Europe: I don't think that's true. While this is pretty subjective from my side, I would like to see a citation that verifies this.
--80.109.147.45 (talk) 07:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi there - when it comes to disposable use (i.e. you throw it away after consumption of contents) plastic and cardboard are generally considered more environmentally sustainable because as a material they both produce less pollution and energy than glass during both the creation and recycling processes. You can find a variety of reputable sources of information, and here a quick one from a food product company that cites their sources:  aerotheque (talk) 12:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  environmentally friend? 

message: This article is too Australia-focused. The prices are in Australian Dollars. The slang (Goon) is Australian. The experiences of the author reflect an Australian point of view. And lastly the edit page says this page is part of wiki project Australia. Australia is a cool country and all but this page should reflect an international point of view, prices in US dollars, and any specific references to Australia should be in an Australian Box Wine subcategory on the same page. --Jon in California  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.127.73.224 (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst I can appreciate that the prices should be in US currency, that is only because that it is globally recognised.  As for the article itself being too "Australia-Focused", that is ridiculous.  For everyone else in the world, this is just "box wine" but "goon" or "cask wine" is iconic to Australia, especially Australian suburbia and teenagers.  Whilst the rest of the world may not understand this, it is part of the Australian way of life (not necessarily drinking it, but making jokes about other people drinking it certainly is) and is therefore part of our cultural heritage, this is evidenced by the fact that it is in the Wikipedia Australia project.  The fact that the Australian term "Cask Wine" redirects to the US centric "Box Wine" is culturally insensitive, as it is an Australian invention, and that is how it is referred to by the originators. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.124.126 (talk) 09:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: "It was invented in Australia but I see it all over the place here in California." - The same goes for Hugh Jackman, but as yet, nobody has complained about him being a part of Wiki Project Australia. MrAngy (talk) 11:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia Perspective

message: I thoroughly enjoy a nice cold goonbag in the evening, i have a question though, would you consider a prestiege 2L winecask or a cask filled with fortified wine to be classified under the term goonbag? or does it exclusively refer to el cheapo wines? fruity lexia anyone? 139.168.90.83 07:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything in a box is fair game to be called goon in my experience. A cask of port, definitely so. Fruity Dyslexia? Even more so!! —Stormie 08:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What makes a goonbag a goonbag?

message: I have heard that goon has higher amounts of preservatives to normal wine, meaning it is less healthy for you. Does anyone know if this is true? Stuart mcmillen 05:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally "goon" has a higher sugar level, meaning that it is at greater risk of microbiological spoilage. Therefore more preservatives are added, such as potassium metabisulphite or sorbic acid, to prevent this spoilage. Whether people class these chemicals as "unhealthy" for you is a matter of contention.  ◄§ĉҺɑʀκs► 08:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is little to no evidence that preservatives (sulfites, and the closely related sulphur dioxide) increase hangovers. Preservatives like sulfites score high on food allergen lists, and perhaps as such ended up somehow being attributed to hangovers. Seemingly organic-type wine makers still tend to claim this perhaps to better sell their "no sulfites added" labeled wines. I am going to remove the part of the article that states this since it has no citation and I can't find solid support for the concept that preservatives cause or increase hangovers. No supporting citation in 7 years... aerotheque (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Preservatives

message: In this article, one section states that the wine never touches air and that prevents oxidation.  The next section says that the bag is gas-porous which results in a definite shelf life.
This is a blatant contradiction.  Either air touches the wine, or it does not.  If the bag is gas-porous as the second section says, then the wine touches air all the time and the first statement is false. Reswobslc 18:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the wine touch air or does it not? 

message: I am unable to find information for that on Google 81.39.137.205 20:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is that Prisma Pak thing? 

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message: So, apparently box wine keeps much longer than bottled wine once it's been opened. Great, this is the reason I want to try box wine. Does anyone have a reliable source for this info so we can put it in the article? All I can find are blogs and forums. Thanks, FreplySpang 23:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opened shelf life 

message: You honestly telling me no-one has added this iconic drinking game to this article!?!?! Shame on you Wikipedia, shame Pinothyj (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing is iconic if it doesn't have reliable sources (i.e. not blogs or word of mouth) attesting to its encyclopedic integrity. AgneCheese/Wine 15:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Can I say that by wikipedia rules the article does NOT need to be written in STANDARD AMERICAN ENGLISH and that it can be written in US UK or International english (which is Aus english). And also why are you so worked up about it, the article clearly goes through all the points needed. 121.223.128.48 (talk) 04:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This section does not have authoritative reliable sources and the content is not really encyclopedic. It is a "how to do a drinking game.   It does not belong.  Pkgx (talk) 03:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goon of Fortune 

message: The article states [noting citation needed] that boxed wine does not have to indicate the amount of (drinks? alcohol?) in the box. This is not true in Australia. Alcohol by volume and number of "standard drinks" (as legally defined, precisely for purposes of comparison) must be stated on the box. Reference is the Food Standards Code of Australia and New Zealand, Part 2.7  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.254.32 (talk) 11:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: This article should mention the work of Australian winemaker David Wynn, who was instrumental to the success of box wine: see https://therealreview.com/2015/02/19/the-wine-cask-turns-50 and https://trove.nla.gov.au/people/1473291?c=people.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samdutton (talk • contribs) 16:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invention and history 

message: I removed some regional bias in hopes of making it more international. I removed the unreliable and arguably not noteworthy "controversy" section. Permission to remove the watch status.Dreapster (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Issues