Talk:Tikkun olam

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Is this English language wikipedia or what? Mikkalai 07:57, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: The article states: "The phrase is used in the prayer, such as in Aleinu..."  
Question: I was once told by a learned rabbi that the Aleinu is the only place in prayer where we find the phase tikkun olam.  Is that true?  If so, it ought to be noted, no? -- Sholom 16:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In prayer? 

message: There were originally one understanding of tikkun olam. The one that you might call social justice. Later the kabalists added another one. This is the messianic one. Reform based their on the original meaning twisting it to its non-religious agenda. Many rational Orthodox Jews understand it in a non-kabalistic way when used outside of kabalistic texts. I don't mean fringe groups like the Dor Deah. I mean groups like Brisk. 210.84.40.154 21:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion of POVs 

message: I've been expanding the section on modern views and adding citations.  This has resulted in two significant changes:
* I have removed language that tied particular understandings of tikkun olam to particular movements. These claims were unsourced and can be removed as per WP:V.  They also contradicted the available sources.  Supporting sources can be found from leaders of all major US Jewish denominations for all of the following definitions of tikkun olam for all major streams of Judaism:
** ritual mitzvot can "repair the world"
** ethical mitzvot can "repair the world"
** Jews repair the world by creating a model society among themselves
** Jews repair the world by involvement with the non-Jewish world.
:::These last three points all involve tikkun olam as an ethical model rather than as a ritual one. The previous version of the page was divided between Orthodox-ritual-Lurianic and Modern/Non-Orthodox-ethical models, which was highly misleading, for there is definitely an Orthodox-ethical model (I knew nothing about the Modern/Non-Orthodox-ritual-Lurianic model, which apparently does in fact exist). Every time I'd add this material, it'd be deleted. Thank you so much for what you've done (cf. User:Egfrank talk page on this specific subject) Sevendust62 (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion and retitling of section on "modern views" 

message: The section on Lurianic Kabalah ("In Kabbalah") has been split between the section on Ritual mitzvot and the section on "Ethical mitzvot".  The original passage had no citations. When citations were found it became clear that the passage described a modern usage of Luranic kabbalah rather than the Lurianic kabbalah itself (see Lawrence Fine).  The original conception seemed to fit nicely in the section on ritual mitzvot.  
Some issues with the description of modern conceptions of the Lurianic myth(see end of Ethical mitzvot section):
#The first paragraph needs some work. It is intended to provide both academic and popular examples of the modern interpretations discussed by Lawrence Fine in the second paragraph, however I'm not satisfied with the sourcing or even the characterization of the expanded use of Lurianic Kabbalah.  Only popular sources are provided.  I would like to add some more notable sources. 
:::I added Derech Hashem, a basic but very thorough and extremely systematic work on Jewish philosophy based largely on Lurianic Kabbalah. I know absolutely nothing about the modern and/or non-Orthodox interpretations of Lurianic Kabbalah (cf. below), so I cannot comment on these. But Derech Hashem is highly representative of true Lurianic Kabbalah itself, at least so far as I know. There was some Lurianic Kabbalah material in the Ethical section, but I relocated it to the Ritual section, where it fits very well with the Lurianic material already there. Sevendust62 (talk) 03:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lurianic Kabbalah 

message: We need to be careful to find sources that actually use the word tikkun olam.  It is relatively easy for us to rely on our "common sense" understanding that (a) tikkun olam=repairing the world (b) repaired world=messianic age (c) Mitzvot=making the world a better place/bring closer the Messianic Age.  ergo  any source talking about mitzvot and Messianic age is also talking about tikkun olam.  Unfortunately as much as this seems "common sense" and obvious to us living in this day and age, it hasn't always been the case.  This connect-the-dots between mitzvot/ethics---Messianic age---tikkun olam has been obvious to some and completely ignored by others.
Bottom line: if we connect the dots on our lonesome we are doing synthesis.  To avoid this we need to find published third parties that are connecting these dots for us.  For example, rather than quote Hirsch directly we need to find a source that talks about Hirsch as a one with a vision of tikkun olam - using that exact phrase "tikkun olam".
Please understand I am not criticizing the fact that we see these connections, but rather pushing us to be more selective and energetic in raising the quality of our sourcing.  Kol tuv, Egfrank (talk) 12:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I have just (within the last few minutes) added two footnotes, one in which Hirsch himself speaks of tikkun olam, and another in which a commentator does. The former is Hirsch quoted by Elias quoted by Danziger, and the latter is Dr. Judith Bleich. Sevendust62 (talk) 09:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tidied up the footnotes a little bit for clarity and brevity. I don't think any of my edits changed the meaning. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR issues 

message: The article on the Christian concept of the kingdom of heaven has a link to this page in its "See Also" section.  Is that appropriate?--Nowa (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Link from [[Kingdom of Heaven]]

message: I don't think that the origin of the term "Tikkun Olam" lie back in the middle ages. Instead, one can easily found very similar language in Jewish pray books, in large parts of the prayer that are written in Aramic.  In the Mishna (Sanedrin d:e) it's written that every person should think that the world was created for him. The exact expression is present at the preface for "Psukey Malchuyot" in Rosh HaShana paryer. So maybe the exact term first appear in the Middle Ages, but the idea itself is very old.--Gilisa (talk) 07:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the term

message: This article is currently so filled with random religious errata that it completely misses the main point of what tikun olam is.  The encyclopedic value here is unfortunately minimal since the article seems to be mainly concerned with how it relates to random parts of Judaism, rather than how the concept effects people and how they live their lives.
This article should either be fixed or deleted.
Zuchinni one (talk) 00:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the time you took to write that, but unfortunately, you haven't given us a single detail that needs fixing.  Until you do, I'm removing the tags. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A major restructuring is needed 

message: The article currently has a template indicating that it is suspected to have been copied and pasted from an external source.  The primary evidence is the existence of numbered inline footnote markers [1] through [17]; because these are plain text rather than links made with the <ref> tag, they look suspicious.  I went through the history to trace the origin of these:
*13:19, 16 September 2013‎ 129.64.182.173 (Rewrote section of Tikkun Olam in prayer) for [1]
*13:56, 16 September 2013 129.64.182.173 (The role of ritual mitzvot) for [6]-[17]
Both edits were made by the same IP contributor using VisualEditor.  The text is clearly pasted from the previous revision of the Wikipedia article, not from an external source.  The cause could have been unfamiliarity with editing, or a bug in VisualEditor as has sometimes happened, but it's not a copyvio.  The citations should be fixed either by restoring the old text from 2013, or by finding the original refs and pasting them into the current text, or perhaps as part of a careful merge of past revisions into the current article. Accordingly, I am removing the copyvio parts of the template, and editing the cleanup line. --Amble (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright concern