Talk:Eye color/Archive 1

message: I've started this article though I'm not an expert on this topic. It seems to me like a lot could be written about the geographic distribution of eye colors around the world. So those more knowledgeable about this should expand it! —Lowellian (talk) 01:34, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is there information available on demographics, meaning what percentage of people have each pigment, which is rarest, etc?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.92.145 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Expand, please

message: Two brown eyed parents can have a blue eyed child because brown is dominant.  Therefore, both parents could have a "hidden" blue gene.  If the child got both of these, they would possibly have blue eyes, I believe.  Since blue is recessive, I am not sure if two blue eyed parents could have a brown eyed child.68.160.190.21 21:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Also

message: : Green eyes are most often found in people of Celtic, Irish and Aryan descent.
# "Celtic descent" includes "Irish".
# Aryan sounds a bit vague. It would be better if we had some statistics about the regions where the green eyes are more common Bogdan | Talk 09:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green eyes 

message: "Very light blue eyes can be confused with grey eyes". This doesn't make much sense. This should either be rephrased as "Very light blue eyes may give the impression of being grey," or "Grey eyes are often confused with very light blue eyes." Whichever the sentence is intended to mean.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.243.185.208 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold. mikka (t) 23:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Grey Eyes Sentence 

message: Is there any estimate of what the worldwide breakdown of eye color is? --Scaryice 10:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide percentages? 

message: This article could really use a better photo of hazel eyes. The one that is there is very overexposed, and it's hard to compare the color with the other photos.--Srleffler 22:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: I always thought I had green eyes, but the sentence "A yellow-, amber- or copper-colored ring is commonly seen around the pupil" makes me think I may have grey eyes.  They really do look green thoug; do these rings occur in green eyes or is it just grey?  Citizen Premier 00:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green/Grey 

message: Having read the article at the former link given for the statement that "In [European] population, brown eyes are genetically linked to brown or black hair", I have decided to remove it because the statement was a vacuous truth. Besides, having brown hair does not 'necessarily' mean that one must have brown eyes in 'any' population. For example, I am of European descent. I have brown hair, but blue-green eyes. So what happened? The statement makes no sense. InFairness 05:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic link 

message: I was reading in forensic stuff some time ago, that desprite all developments, it was still impossible to determine the color of the eyes based on genes, because the large number of genes involved. --KimvdLinde 15:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  genetics much complexer 

message: The black eye image was such that it was unclewar whether this was due to real black eyes or that the eyes were brown but only looked black due to the poor light condition in the image. A image indicating such a specific thing should be 100% clear and not raise doubt KimvdLinde 22:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black eye image 

message: The pic of the "hazel" eye has been removed because it is a brown eye. Could we please get a real picture of a 'light brown' eye here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by InFairness (talk • contribs)  03:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hazel" eye 

message: I deleted this part because it appears to be some really cheesy legend spreading.  Also, there is absolutely no documented evidence to show any sign of this and the one source I found (which was from the author of a fanfiction story) suggested that the "Alexandria's Genesis" genetic disorder is the result of alien life.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by  24.24.100.102 (talk • contribs) .
This is untrue.  Elizabeth Taylor had puple eyes (more properly called violet), although the condition is extremely rare.  Someone with a significant amount of knowledge on the subject (which a I don't have) should recreate that section, if only as a sidenote.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.17.189.77 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purple Eyes 

message: I had a look at the removed images, and could not detect any maniulation. What is wrong with the image tag? --KimvdLinde 16:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed images 

message: It isn't completely true that Brown Eyes are always genetically linked to Brown Hair. This might be the most common way, but it isn't completely true. Alexis Bledel has brown hair and striking blue eyes, while [[Jessica Simpson] has brown eyes and blonde hair.  --72.226.60.206 21:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already addressed this issue. See above under Genetic Link. InFairness 05:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not completely true

message: The genetics of eyecolor as described here are a simplified version. So also for the hair-eyecolor link. I am dark blond, and have brown eyes. So, if 95% posseses the link, 5% is still a large number in total. Many of these things are more complex as described here, and an exception is not imemdiatly a indication is is wrong. --KimvdLinde 05:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplyfied genetics 

message: I wonder if we could get a consensus on the picture (and associated caption) "Nick_green.jpg". We already have a picture of green eyes, and a very good one, at that. Since we seem to have one picture per iris color, is it necessary to have a second one only for green eyes? Additionally, in the past, it has consistently been placed in the wrong section. Anonymous user 65.34.136.176 continuously replaces this picture. I would like to ask this person a question: Do you really think that the "nick" picture is better than the other one? If so, I invite you to share that reasoning on this talk page. Otherwise, it should be removed and stay removed. There is one picture for each eye color, so why is it necessary to have a second green picture (and in the wrong section, I might add)? Also, the caption is POV; I do not find the alleged color combination ("gray, green and gold") to be "startling". That sounds like a bit of egotripping for the guy who took the picture of himself. I could also call into question the accuracy of the caption: I see a green eye with an unnatural-looking orange band around the pupils. Also, no other caption mentions the origins of the person whose picture is displayed. The image for blue eyes mentions where the color is more prominent; In the regularly appearing Nick caption, the phrase "...in a male of Germanic descent" does not convey the same kind of information. InFairness 07:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A "Startling" Mix 

message: This article implied that only people of Iranian speaking origin on the subcontinent like Pathans and Parsis have blue eyes.  This is not true. Blue eyes in South Asia are found among Indo-Aryan peoples from the north as well as eastern origins.  Actress Aishwarya Rai has blue-green eyes and is of South Indian origin.
The term "South Asian" denotes not only India, but Thailand, Myanmar etc. Shouldn't the article be more clear in that aspect? Because the only areas of south that are mentioned are Pakistan and India. If those are the only locales know to have those colour eyes in their populations, shouldn't it be specified??  Vihrea 03:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "South Asia" refers to the Indian sub-continent, consisting of not only India and Pakistan, but also Nepal, Bangladesh, sometimes Bhutan, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives. Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and East Timor are Southeast Asia. --Jugbo 01:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Asians with blue eyes 

message: The section on purple eyes is a copyright violation see, here. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 23:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purple eyes copyright violation 

message: I put in the new hazel eye pic, I'm pretty sure my eyes are hazel I just can't get a very clear picture of them. Any suggestions?
Also I read up on the talk page above and noticed the discussed importance of having one picture per iris colour. I feel that hazel should be an exception because hazel has a huge variance in colour.
Vihrea 03:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Hazel eye pic

message: i found this site whilst searching the internet- http://www.eyecolorchange.com/
is it really possible to change your eye color? or is this just another scam?
This guy is of african descent but has blue eyes- http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=126
-K June 3 '06—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.203.192.143 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is a difference between being born with a certain eye color and changing eye colors as you age. First of all, yes it is possible to change eye colors. Most white babies are born with blue eyes that may later change to green or brown. I have blue eyes and since I turned 18 they have become mixed with green in the center. That site looks a bit stupid, though. --Sean WI 19:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Read the article you presented on that African-American with blue eyes. The person most likely had European-American ancestors at some point on BOTH the father's and mother's side, possibly in the early 1800s. People living in Sub-Saharan Africa and East Asia will not have light eyes unless there is a unique genetic mutation. The website in question (obviously a gag) mentions light-eyed Asian rulers. They did not state whether or not they were East Asian mongoloid rulers. They could very well have been Greco-Bactrian, Persian, Tocharian, or Kushan (among numerous other dynasties). Anywho, someone with better knowledge on the subject should also answer. --Sean WI 03:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye color change 

message: I think there should be a better grey eye photo provided. This one doesn't really look as grey as some.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.145.57.166 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grey eye photo 

message: I'd always heard that the blue of blue eyes is from frequency-dependant scattering.   There are many online references which mention this: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22blue+eyes%22+%2B%22blue+pigment%22.  Some of these say that the stroma cells act as unpigmented scatterers which send out the blue light.  But our current article claims that the blue comes from blue-colored molecules of indole monomer.  Who's right?  --Wjbeaty 20:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, a look at the article on Albinism suggests that sufferers of said condition are known to have blue, purple or sometimes pink eyes. (I'd always heard that "albinos have pink eyes because they don't have any melanin.") This leads me to believe that either A) eyes could come in slightly different structural shapes resulting in different colors of melanin-free eyes, or, more likely, B) albinos with blue eyes simply have a small amount of melanin in their irises, and that, in fact, blue is not the structural color of melanin-free irises. Modus Ponens 02:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue eyes: structural color?  Melanin monomer? 

message: The section on colours seems very messy and hard to read.  There are sub-headings and paragraphs everywhere.  Could someone who is experienced with how to edit please make that section more aesthetically appealing?--Shaliron 05:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up? 

message: I'm not sure if it's appropriate to place images of celebrities in the article, I really think it should have more a scientific approach. If it is absolutely necessary a new article could be created listing celebrities and their eye colours, they shouldn't be in the same article. --Vihrea 07:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should include celebrities' eye or hair colours in either article - unless we can't find any other examples of a certain eye or hair colour, of course. This particular article has all the examples it needs already. CameoAppearance 10:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Besides, too many pictures of celebrities have been greatly enhanced.  They are not acurate examples.--Wiki edit2 12:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Celebrity eye colours

message: Wow, does anyone else find the new brown eye pic scary?  It looks like the person is terrified.  I liked the old one MUCH more. --Wiki edit2 12:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Brown pic

message: I remember coming across this article a while ago (primarily because on of the photos I uploaded was added to the page). Coming across the article again I've noticed that the entire genetics section, references, external links, etc have all beenn removed. ( Then and Now) Just curious if this is intentional (I don't see a discussion on this on the talk page) or somehow all that information got lost in a revert. --ImmortalGoddezz 16:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that was my fault... sorry about that; it's because Firefox keeps cutting off longish articles. I'm going to see if I can do something about it. CameoAppearance 21:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it already, btw...Strange, my firefox doesn't seem to cut off long articles. Have you downloaded the lastest release?--Sean WI 21:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm honestly not sure; by the way, it doesn't do that every time, just much more often than I'd like it to. CameoAppearance 05:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing information? 

message: It might be worth mentioning in this article that color contacts are now widley available and look extremely realistic. In fact, I'm wearing violet right now. It looks realistic but stands out due to my black hair. But anyways, back on subject, since there is no Color Contact's article anymore, it just might be worth mentioning. If I have the time I'll grab some citations and what-not and do it myself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadow Blood (talk • contribs) 05:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Colour contacts do not look extremely realistic, they look like floating coloured pieces of plasting on top of an eye. The only way they can look realistic is if the person already has light coloured eyes and the coloured contact acts as a filter. If a person has dark eyes a colour contact looks extremely fake. Printed graphics on lens cannot reproduce the multi-dimensional colours present in a real eye. --Speakslowly 20:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Color contacts?

message: Some people went crazy on posting Hazel eye color pictures. Yes, we know there are different variations of Hazel eyes, that doesn't mean we have to post a picture to match EVERY SINGLE ONE. Im going to try to make them smaller so they fit on the page, or 2/3 should be deleted. Ruhe1986 23:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To many Hazel eye pics!

message: This is a statistical certainty when considering that the inhabitants of most of Asia, Africa, and South America have brown-colored eyes. Blue-colored eyes are, in fact, common amongst European inhabitants, particularly since the alleles that possess this trait are found amongst at least two chromosomes, while they only appear for one for the green eye color. I will try to find a definitive article that confirms that green eyes are more rare than the colors listed, although this will obviously be difficult. 64.109.165.58 22:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green eye color rarity 

message: Could we please get some professional quality photos instead of users' own pictures of themselves taken on webcams, they are blurry and a couple of them were disgusting, the first blue eye photo features someone with horrible greasy skin and is generally quite unatrractive, the first green eye picture is poor because the eyes are not looking straight on at the camera, and again when maximized this image shows someone that looks quite greasy, maybe due to bad lighting, and the obvious unprofessional style. Angryafghan 10:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to break it to you but that's what human skin looks like up close. And unless you find a professional to take photos and release them to wikipedia for free, we should stick to user made photos taken on "webcam". Most professional photos are touched up, airbrushed and heavily edited to look appealing. The "webcam" that I used to take one of the blue eyes photos is a 5.1 megapixel camera with 12x zoom. It's clearly marked on the photo. Hitokirishinji 18:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality of Pictures 

message: From my understanding, green eyes also occur among Slavic peoples of all three regions: West Slavs, East Slavs, and South Slavs. Among Asians, it seems only Central Asians and possibly Mongolians could have naturally occurring blue eyes, as if it were a continuum from Caucasians. My grandmother was of East Asian descent (Vietnamese), and had brown eyes with blue rims, and I have seen several exmaples of Asians with "hazel eyes with a green rim". I am also of East Asian descent, but I have brown eyes. There is a so-called "Tat-C" or "TC" gene which is said to be the missing link between people of European descent and people of Asian descent. ie. if a full Asian had somewhat "Western" features, or if a full European had a somewhat "Asian" appearance, that they have some common distant ancestry. You find these appearances all over Eurasia, from Eastern European and into Altaic Asia and even northern China and in Japan. Does this mean my grandmother had Altaic or Central Asian origins? Le Anh-Huy 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Altaic eyes

message: The determination of eye color does not follow the simple rules of Mendelian inheritance which helps partially explain how two brown-eyed parents can give birth to a blue-eyed child. 
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever, due to the simple fact that the Mendelian model of dominant and recessive genes. - LeaHazel 23:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded it to the following: Although it was once thought that brown eye color was always dominant and blue eye color was always recessive, the fact that two blue-eyed parents can give birth to a brown-eyed child has shown that the determination of eye color does not follow the simple rules of Mendelian inheritance. -AED 00:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye color and Mendelian inheritance models  

message:  "Indian Eyes" are called such because they are found most commonly in those of Native American descent.  Similar to Violet Eyes, Indian Eyes are believed to be caused by a serious lack of pigmentation in the eyes, with what pigmentation there is being a brown color.  They are characterized by the reddish tint to the eyes, which can often be quite striking.  They are also known to change shades depending on the lighting conditions.  In high light, like pictured, they have a marvelous "marbleization", in which the weak pigments of the brown appear in the foreground, over the dark reddish background.  In low light, they often appear black.
I have removed the preceding paragraph per WP:V. No reliable sources were provided for any of the assertions nor was I able to find any. -AED 03:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Indian Eyes"

message: Whatever happened to this eye color?  Is it no longer considered a color?  There is not a single instance of "blue-green" or "green-blue" in the article. BirdValiant 06:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The information that was previously in place was not verifiable and it is not practical to list every color in the Munsell color system. Part of the trouble is that that the grading of colors is inherently subjective and what appears to be blue-green to one person may appear to be blue or green to someone else. The image that went along with the previous "blue-green" section has been saved as it demonstrates this subjectivity extremely well; that image now appears toward the beginning of the article. -AED 06:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about eyes that have a blue color on the outside of the iris and a more green color on the inside, around the pupil?  It seems different from the current picture in that the one in use seems more gray. Like this one that I think used to be on this article, and is still on other languages.  BirdValiant 18:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue-green 

message: Statistical study of the occurrance of light hair (flaxen or red) and blue eyes shows that both traits have a central concentration in southwest Finland along the coast of the Gulf of Bothnia, from which increasing distance shows a decrease in the frequency of those traits, thus indicating the geographical origin of the mutations.Frost, Peter
I have removed the preceding paragraph per WP:V. The citation does not give sufficient information to track down a reliable source for the assertions nor was I able to find any. -AED 08:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geographical origin of mutations

message: User Nick4gwen replaced an earlier blue eyes picture for unknown reasons. I inquired him about it but he has not replied. The new picture I uploaded is more clear than the previous one and also is actually more "blue". The picture uploaded by Nick4gwen looks almost more like "grey blue" than true "blue".
Also, I snapped the photo to be purposely more in line with the "green eyes" picture, from an above angle looking down. Hitokirishinji 18:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More clear Blue Eyes Picture

message: Seriously this is rather good —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.105.103.98 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: nom for GA status

message: It seems a relatively commonly reported phenomenon that some people's eyes change with emotions.  For example, people have told me that my eyes vary from grey to blue to green depending on my mood.  Now, that could be due to some other factors, but it seems that it should at least warrant mention, even if it isn't the case.  A brief google search turned up this article on Herons that speaks about colour change occurring with emotion within that species, so there might be some credibility to it. http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/0-19-854981-4.pdf  Jamincan 01:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour Change with Emotion