Talk:People's Party (Spain)

message: In my opinion the best name for the article would be "Popular Party (Spain)". Does anyone support my proposal? --Checco 20:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the article

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Logopp.gif

message: The definition of the PP as a right-wing party is generally done in a pejorative way by those who criticise it. In all its statements it describes itself as a central party with, generally speaking, conservative ideas. Its international alliances are with other parties or groups that are conservative-central (Centrist Democrat International).
Right-wing is used when the party is insulted in manifestations or criticised by rival parties. Having that in the first sentence of the article is not neutral (as people who read it get what many people consider insulting information). Maybe this right-wing consideration can be mentioned later in other points of the article, but therefore not in the introduction. Escorial82 (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are right-wing.--La voz de su amo (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To "La voz": Your argument was so elaborated, convoluted and deeply phylosophic that I couldn't follow throughout. Please try to write less the next time o_O Habbit (talk) 23:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: None of the cited sources is British. They are three articles from reputable international media (France 24, Canadian Globe and Mail, and Irish Times). If you doubt the reliability of these sources, please let them be checked at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. By the way, "because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones, assuming English sources of equal quality and relevance are available." (WP:NOENG), so Spanish sources are not preferrable over English-language ones. --RJFF (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, the language and the origin are not important but at least try to support that idea with a scholarly decent reference. I am sure that North American and European Universities have written extensively on Spain’s party system. But sorry, an online press article is simply not enough to make that claim.--Rivet138 (talk) 18:01, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. A party with roots in Francoist Spain would never be right-wing. How silly. 99.54.188.176 (talk) 14:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: PSOE (their left equivalent) has roots in communism. Volkswagen in Nazism. Shall we also call them that by those standards? Again, anything that is not a genuine scholar article cannot be taken as fact. 213.229.176.26 (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right-wing or conservative? 

message: almost nothing about the policy or platform of the party, only general speacking in the introduction.
--Hasam (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  policy 

message: In what meaning is liberal conservatism listed here? As Conservative on moral and social issues, or as more libertarian, promoting individual liberty with economic freedom? Thanks --Novis-M (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As Conservative on moral and social issues.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.101.57.202 (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberal conservatism? 

message: I am Spaniard and this term in my country doesn´t exist . It is invented!!!!
I am removing the term of Spanish unionism as it is just a mere derogatory term used by peripheral nationalism to create the idea of a conflict about the definition of Spain. Therefore it is not in anyway neutral or appropriate for an encyclopedia. Describing the PP with this term is absurd in the same way that it would be absurd to claim that the CDU and the SPD are German unionists, the French Republican Party and Socialist Party are French unionists or the PD, Forza Italia... are Italian unionists for being oposed to the independence or the right of self determination of Bavaria, Corsica/Brittany or Padania respectively.
(90.173.180.217 (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: WHAT IS SPANISH UNIONISM ?

message: I changed the name of the spokesperson from "Eduardo Gonzales Pons" to "Esteban Gonzalez Pons". Now the link directs to the correct page.128.135.198.152 (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Spokesperson

message: There is a cropped image of Aznar, then below it the same image with him, Bush and part of Blair. I Don't understand why the Foreign policy section needs another photo, much less the same one twice. I am removing the second photo as redundant.
184.210.203.236 (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the same image twice. 

message: Is the Spanish PP an objective and serious political party? I don't know...
Is wikipedia objective and serious? I don't know either, it should be though. If yes, is it possible someone adds a controversy section about PP (Spain)?
Articles related to PP:
*Palma Arena case (es:Caso Palma Arena)
*Brugal case (es:Caso Brugal; Caso Brugal. El País)
*Fabra caseMaría Fabra, Nueve jueces y cuatro fiscales, El País, 05/04/2010.María Fabra, La Audiencia de Castellón declara prescritos cuatro de los cinco delitos fiscales de Fabra, El País, 27/12/2010.María Fabra, El Supremo considera legal investigar las cuentas de Fabra, El País, 29/07/2008.F. Mercado, Carlos Fabra ingresó seis millones de euros sin justificar entre 1999 y 2004 - Las cuentas del líder del PP en Castellón registran movimientos por 15 millones , El País, 26/09/2008.¿Quién se encarga del 'caso Fabra'? El CGPJ confirma que la plaza del juzgado de Nules queda desierta por falta de peticionarios, El País, 05/05/2008.El juez imputa a Carlos Fabra por los presuntos delitos de cohecho y tráfico de influencias, El Mundo, 01/06/2010.
**Castellón Airport, and "Ripollés' sculpture"(Aeropuerto de Castellón, El País; Ripollés, El Mundo A symbol of ruin at an airport to nowhere, The New York Times)
*Gürtel case (es:Caso Gürtel)
**Special Events (es:Special Events)
**Pasadena Viajes, S.L. (es:Pasadena Viajes, S.L.)
**Easy Concept (es:Easy Concept)
**Good and Better, S.L. (es:Good and Better, S.L.)
**Orange Market (es:Orange Market)
**City of Arts and Sciences, Valencia
**Visit of Pope Benedict XVI to Valencia  (Cuando Gürtel 'estafó' al Papa, El Mundo)
**Formula 1, Valencia
* (es:Caso de la Ciudad del Golf)
*Operación orquesta (es:Operación orquesta)
*¡Que se jodan! (Fuck them!), a sentence pronounced by Andrea Fabra, daughter of Carlos Fabra (indicted PP politician; es:Carlos Fabra, fr:Carlos Fabra)... (es:¡Que se jodan!)
===Indicted (imputados) PP politicians===
# Francisco Camps (PP), Valencia, INDICTED: Gürtel Case.
# Ricardo Costa (PP), Valencia, INDICTED: Gürtel Case.
# José Manuel Tortosa (PP) Parlamento Autonómico Cuenca, INDICTED: breach of legal duty (corruption) and forgery.
# José Manuel Traba (PP), Fisterra Galicia, INDICTED Operación Orquesta.
# José Manuel Santos (PP) Mazaricos Galicia, INDICTED: Operación Orquesta.
# Ignacio García de Vinuesa (PP), Alcobendas Madrid, INDICTED: embezzlement of funds, breach of legal duty (corruption) and forbidden business.
# José Ignacio Fernández Rubio (PP), Las Rozas Madrid, INDICTED
# Miguel Rodríguez Bonilla (PP), Guadarrama Madrid, INDICTED: breach of legal duty or (corruption) and embezzlement of funds.
# Míriam Rabaneda (PP) Pinto Madrid, INDICTED: breach of legal duty (corruption)
# Luis Partida (PP) Villanueva de la Cañada Madrid, INDICTED: General crimes
# Antonio Martín Lara (PSOE, before PP) Ronda, Málaga, INDICTED: Urban Planning Corruption, Brivery, breach of legal duty (corruption), falsedad documental, tráfico de influencias, malversación y blanqueo de capitales; actualmente detenido junto con otros tres ediles.
# Raúl López (PP) Coslada Madrid, INDICTED: General crimes.
# Íñigo Henríquez de Luna (PP) Madrid
# José Joaquin Ripoll (PP), Alicante Valencia, IMPUTADO caso Brugal.
# Carlos Fabra (PP), Castellón Valencia, IMPUTADO caso Fabra
# José I Fernández (PP), Las Rozas Madrid, IMPUTADO delito contra la ordenación del territorio
# Clara Torre (PP), Torres de la Alameda Madrid, IMPUTADA malversación
# Míriam Rabaneda (PP,) Pinto Madrid, IMPUTADA prevaricación
# Raúl López Coslada (PP), Madrid, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Luis Partidad (PP), Villanueva de la Cañada, Madrid, IMPUTADO tráfico de influencias
# Ana María Pinos (PP), Belmonte de Tajo, IMPUTADO delito contra la ordenación del territorio
# Ángel García (PP) Guadalix de la Sierra Madrid, IMPUTADO negociaciones prohibidas
# Íñigo Henríquez de Luna (PP), Madrid, IMPUTADO tráfico de influencias
# Roberto Vázquez Souto (PP) Portas, Pontevedra, IMPUTADO falsedad documental
# Cristina González (PSOE) Getafe Madrid, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# José María Fraile Parla (PSOE) Madrid PSOE prevaricación
# Manuel González Rojo (PSOE) San Fernando de Henares Madrid , IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Hans Antón Bock Galapagar (PSOE) Madrid IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Jesús Dionisio (PP) Madrid, IMPUTADO prevaricación y tráfico de influencias
# Jaume Matas (PP), Baleares, IMPUTADO, Caso Palma Arena
# Cristina Almagro (PP) Granada, IMPUTADA por falsificación de documentos
# José Manuel Santos Maneiro (PP), Galicia, IMPUTADO por corrupción en la adjudicatura de obras públicas
# Tamara Rabaneda (PP) Pinto, Madrid, IMPUTADA prevaricación
# Raúl López Vaquero (PP)  Coslada, Madrid, IMPUTADO prevaricación y malversación
# Ramón Polo (PP) Torres de la Alameda, Madrid, IMPUTADO malversación
# Manuel Tello (PP) Torres de la Alameda, Madrid, IMPUTADO malversación
# Pilar Algobia Aparicio (PP) Colmenar de Oreja, Madrid, IMPUTADA delito urbanístico
# Agustín Padrón Benítez (PP) El Hierro, Canarias, IMPUTADO malversación
# José Fernández Amador (PP), Sorbas, Almería, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Pedro Antonio Sánchez (PP), Murcia, IMPUTADO prevaricación, delitos urbanísticos, malversación
# Daniel García Madrid (PP), Torre Pacheco, Murcia, IMPUTADO prevaricación, ordenación del territorio, malversación
# María Antonia Conesa (PP), Fuente Álamo, Murcia, IMPUTADA cohecho
# Pedro Angel Hernández (PP), Parlamento Valenciano, IMPUTADO tráfico de influencias
# Juan Martín Serón (PP), Alhaurín el Grande, Granada, IMPUTADO cohecho y prevaricación
# Cristóbal Bonilla (PP), Alhaurín el Grande, Granada, IMPUTADO delito urbanístico
# José Antonio Robles (PP), Güejar Sierra, Granada, IMPUTADO presunta compra de votos
# María Victoria Molina (PP) Maracena, Granada, IMPUTADA cohecho, caso “Morelábor”
# Reyes Maestre (PP) Pinto, Madrid, IMPUTADO corrupción urbanística
# Gerardo Pérez García (PP) Navas del Marqués, Málaga, IMPUTADO caso “Ciudad del Golf”
# José Antonio Arrojo (PP) Casar del Palomero, IMPUTADO delito electoral y prevaricación
# Salvador Álvarez (PP) Calamonte, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# José Manuel Cendán (PP) Ares, Galicia, IMPUTADO delito electoral: alteración del censo
# Manuel Taboada (PP) O Pino, La Coruña, IMPUTADO delitos urbanísticos
# Jesús Vázquez Almuiña (PP) Bayona, Pontevedra, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Alfonso Puente (PP) Barreiros, Lugo, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# María del Carmen Castellano (PP) Telde, Gran Canaria, IMPUTADA malversación y cohecho
# Francisco González (PP) Mogán, Gran Canaria, IMPUTADO prevaricación, “caso Góndola”
# Luis Díaz Alperi (PP) Parlamento Autonómico, Alicante, ex-mayor of Alicante, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Joaquín Villanova (PP) Alhaurín de la Torre, Málaga, IMPUTADO malversación
# Antonio Torres (PP) Béjar, Málaga, IMPUTADO delito contra la ordenación del territorio
# Ana Mula Redruello (PP) Fuengirlo, Málaga, IMPUTADA falsedad documental
# Javier Trujillo Bernal (PP) Cabildo Gomera, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Jorge Bellver (PP) Parlamento Valenciano, IMPUTADO prevaricación
# Esteban Bethencourt (PP) Valle Gran Rey, Gomera, IMPUTADO malversación
# César Manrique (PP) Ciudad Real, IMPUTADO cohecho y falsedad documental
# Sonia Castedo (PP), Alicante, INDICTED. Urban Planning Corruption,
===References===
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dokiroki (talk • contribs) 12:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Add Controversy/Scandal section

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dokiroki (talk • contribs) 12:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Whilst the PP is undoubtedly pro-Spain, I don't really see how it's a nationalist party. Anyone care to clarify? --Cymru123 (talk) 13:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, PP is one of the historical governing parties in Spain. Saying it's "Spanish nationalist" would be a bit redundant in itself, unless "nationalism" in itself was a key feature of the party's policies (which isn't, at least when in government). For comparison, the Union for a Popular Movement, the Christian Democratic Union of Germany, the New Democracy (Greece) or the Conservative Party (UK) are not considered as "nationalist" despite their extensive use of their countries' symbols. Impru20 (talk) 11:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish nationalism - really?

message: In what way is the party liberal and conservative at the same time?  Is it, for example, liberal on social issues and fiscally conservative?  Or, maybe, the other way around?
74.96.73.247 (talk) 05:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  question? 

message: Could someone iron out the following? I noticed the changes but don't have time to look at it. L.R. Wormwood (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: I think that liberal-conservavism label should be removed from the opening parapgraph and the infobox. It is cited in the Leadership of Casado and 2019 election section that the party shifted further to the right in 2018. Both sources that cite the party as liberal-conservative are years before this (one is from 2014 and one is from 2005). This is when the party was under different leadership and not as far to the right as it is today. I have seen no sources since Pablo Casado became the leader of the party that describe it as liberal-consevative, so I would say this is out of date and should be removed. However, this is cited information, so I'm looking to form a consenus here before removing it. Please leave any and all thoughts below. Helper201 (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible update to the opening paragraph and the ideology section in the infobox 

message: This article seems not to follow NPOV. It gives undue weight towards the Party's financial and corruption scandals. The lead section's largest paragraph is all about (recent developments in) a corruption case. There are two sections in the body also devoted to scandals, one of which consists almost exclusively of links to articles on the Spanish wiki. I propose that most of the content in the Gürtel case paragraph of the lead be moved to the "illegal financing" section, and that the "Political corruption scandals" section be deleted entirely (I'll delete it after posting this). 
On an unrelated note, this article could use a section on the ideology and views of the People's Party. Erinius (talk) 15:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: It's a mistake referred on this way in this article and you can read in Oxford reference (Popular Party) or Britannica (Popular Party) the correct name of the Party.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah.stolen (talk • contribs) 16:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "People's Party" is more commonly used in English reliable sources than "Popular Party", as you can check in Ngram or in raw Google searches (848,000 vs. 299,000, not including Wikipedia results). Both terms are correct, but People's Party is the name to go as the article's title as per WP:COMMONNAME. Impru20talk 18:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  People's Party it's not Popular's Party  

message: I protected this for a week per a request at WP:RFPP. It's now unprotected. If there are further disputes, please bring them to talk in the first instance - David Gerard (talk) 07:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: As a Spaniard interested in politics, when I opened the page and the first thing I read is that the party is "conservative and Christian-democratic" I am very surprised. I don't want to extend myself too much, but I think "socialdemocratic" is a much proper label and/or just "right-wing" for the following reasons.
The party greatly supports statal industry and services like healthcare, subsides, pensions, etc. Compared with the leftist party, PSOE, lets say PP is just more "reasonable" and more willing to make budgets more balanced. On a cultural plane, the party can be labeled as "technocratic" instead of "conservative", since their members keep a low profile on cultural issues instead of trying to impose a "conservative" agenda.
Finally, I think the labels "conservative and Christian-democratic" fit much better Vox, an actual conservative party with a conservative agenda like imposing inmigration restrictions, reducing the size of the state, defending conservative values like the life of a baby over abortion, bullfighting, just to name a few. So I request a change on the incorrect description of the PP party. 212.106.238.163 (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia, here your arguments do not matter anything, no matter how reasonable they are, if you can't support them with reference to good reliable sources (WP:RS). Birdofpreyru (talk) 23:39, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We literally have seven academic sources referring to the party as conservative cited in this article. Helper201 (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah... well, they all pre-date the last internal crysis in the party and the change of PP's national leadership team, so revisiting where the party stands now is not a non-sense. Birdofpreyru (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen no reliable sources that have stated the party is no longer conservative after its internal crisis or change of leadership team. We'd need some strong evidence for this to overturn 7 academic sources saying that's what the party is. Helper201 (talk) 18:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  PP is socialdemocratic, not "conservative"