Talk:Railway platform height

message: Good start for an article. I have added this article to some suitable categories. I could supply some anecdotal evidence, but no hard sources:
Image:Eurostars_at_waterloo_international.jpg|Eurostar at a high-level platform (London Waterloo).
Image:Eurostar 3229,3230 moutiers 01-03-2003.jpg|Eurostar at a low-level platform (Moûtiers).
Image:London Underground subsurface and tube trains.jpg|London overground train (left) and London underground train.
Image:South West Trains 455913 - London Underground C-stock 5545.jpg|London overground and national rail trains.
* There are two aspects to platforms, the height (above rail level), and the sideways distance from the rail to the platform. In some cases a train can overhang a platform, but if you then raise the platform you have to also move it further back to avoid the train hitting it. There is a link in the Berne gauge article to a good diagram, but the site is being re-built.
* Units. This article is a mixture. I do not wish to start an edit war over units (there have been plenty of those already in Wiki), but more people understand metric than imperial. I suggest we do what is done in most other technical articles: mm (with imperial in brackets).
* In the UK, London underground operates two different train sizes, requiring two different platform heights. Where both types share the same platform this can result in a step up or down. The larger size is similar to the nation British national network (second photo).
* British platforms are higher, but also nearer the track, than those in continental Europe. The Eurostar trains operating through the Channel tunnel are narrower than standard TGV trains in order to fit in with British platforms. They have a retracting step. This is folded away when travelling and when stopped in Britain, but is needed in France to proved a step down to the lower French platforms and to avoid a gap.
* German S-Bahn services also use a higher platform height than normal trains. Normal trains have 2 or 3 steps up from the platform, S-Bahn trains have a near level entry to speed up boarding. If you happen to be on a normal train which stops at a S-Bahn platform, you have a big step up to the platform (as happened to me last Sunday).
::Right, however suburb trains are not always the same. Traditionally, German suburb trains used to have a floor and platform height of 96 cm. However, on the Nuremberg S-Bahn network, there are now 2 1/2 new lines being built to a platform height of 76 cm. Another half line is being converted to 76 cm while one line remains 96 cm. This is causing situations where suburb trains stop at platforms which are *higher* than the train's floor. We already have similar situations with double-decker trains, as these are mostly designed for 55cm same-level entry but most platforms are 76cm. The 55cm entry height is a compromize that was neccesary because there are a few platforms around which are still 38cm. And then, we also got 55cm platforms. -- 62.156.49.110 (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Great start, more needed

message: Nice start on the page. It would be nice if the longwinded sections get converted into footnotes or something. Also, if everyone would be able to add details on their own countries, like what I did with Australia, eg 'we have high / low / whatever' type info, and a numeric figure if possible. Wongm (talk) 13:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion, cleanup 

message: diff I removed it mainly for reasons of duplication, though it entirely lacks references - it may be useful to someone who wants to add to the article in prose. The term heavy rail seems odd also.Sf5xeplus (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: big table

message: This 
The decision (2008/164/EC) gives a number of permanent exceptions are listed which mostly apply for regional (not international) or city commuter transport: Denmark (S-Bahn) and France (Ile de France network, see Transilien) using 920mm, Germany (S-Bahn) and Poland; 960mm, Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Ireland; 915mm, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia; 1100mm (+20mm, -50mm) or 200mm, Portugal; 900mm or 685mm, Spain (regional, commuter) 680mm. Sweden using 580mm or 730mm.2008/164/EC , section 7.4.1.1 Netherlands; 840mm.
This is actually from
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Which is a directive on access of persons with reduced mobility in the trans-European conventional and high-speed rail system - and lists exceptions to defined platform height - it doesn't really define platform height in different countries - the info may be relevant - but it appears to have been taken to far - eg as a statement of country wide platform heights. It can be relevant - but I think first the article needs to establish actualities, not take exceptions as the current status.Sf5xeplus (talk) 04:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but needs source - is this from the link above? - the thing is it really needs a source that says "these are the common platform heights in country X" - once we've got that we can move onto exceptions - the things are related - but not quite the same.Sf5xeplus (talk) 12:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: disabled access EU

message: Great Britain won't choose 550mm platforms, unless Great Britain will install Russian gauge lines.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.138.55.55 (talk) 06:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing will happen unless Chuck Norris says so. Guidod (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Britain 

message: Normal platforms are 550mm above rail. Any platforms higher than 550mm called "high platform", any platforms lower than 550mm called "low platform".
58.138.55.55 (talk) 04:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine, but needs a reference before adding it to the article. Tim PF (talk) 22:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height categories 

message: 760mm platforms are compromise between 550mm (UIC standard) and 915mm (UK classic standard).
58.138.45.196 (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the EU TSI are actually standards derived from a compromise - trains built for 550mm are okay with older 350mm platforms, and 760mm S-Bahn trains (DBAG_Class_424/425/426) in Germany are okay with its earlier 960-1000mm platforms for metro trains. Guidod (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  760mm platforms (UK HSR) 

message: *Russian metro platform height is 1100mm above rail.
*San Francisco BART platform height is about 960mm above rail.
101.128.177.35 (talk) 07:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian metro platforms and BART platforms 

message: Platform height and train floor height by country:
*Afghanistan, Pakistan and Central Asia (mainline platform): 200mm
*India and Bangladesh (mainline platform): 200mm, 380mm and 550mm
*South Korea (mainline platform): 550mm
*South Korea (mainline, older platform): 380mm
*Japan (Shinkansen, train floor): 1300mm
*Japan (Shinkansen, current platform): 1250mm
*Japan (Shinkansen, proposed platform): 550mm
*Japan (most JR line train floor): 1140mm
*Japan (JR line platform): 920mm
*Japan (urban/suburban platform): 1100mm
*Japan (standard gauge private railway platform): 1250mm
*Baltic States, Finland, Ukraine and Belarus (mainline platform): 200mm, 380mm and 550mm
*Russia (mainline platform): 200mm and 550mm
*Russia (metro platform): 1100mm
*Canada (mainline platform): 200mm
*USA (mainline platform): 200mm and 380mm
*USA (BART train floor): about 1067mm
*USA (BART platform): about 960mm
*Argentina and Chile (mainline platform): 200mm
*most high-floor mainline train floor: 1300mm
*most low-floor mainline train floor: 550mm
101.128.177.35 (talk) 13:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platform height and train floor height by country 

message: What on odd statement;
"When raised platforms are in use, the train width must also be compatible, to avoid both large gaps or mechanical interference which causes equipment damage."
Does this mean when raised platforms are not in use that train width doesn't have to be compatible?  Really?
107.77.75.90 (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compatibility 

message: Railway platform height#US inter-city trains Railway platform height#Canada. The floor height of passenger cars, Amtrak, Via Rail, Agence métropolitaine de transport, etc., etc. is  above the trucks and at the gangway connections regardless of what the platform height may be at any given place/location. This is NOT about to change any time soon. Peter Horn User talk 14:26, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Floor heights Canada/US 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There have been a number of misinformed edits on Finnish platform heights. These seem to stem from the fact that the Finnish railway network track gauge (Imperial Russian Broad gauge, 1524 mm), is confusingly similar to Russian broad gauge (1520), causing the editor to erroneously apply provisions in European standards intended for networks in the former USSR to the Finnish network.
Whatever the reason, the cited Finnish Transport Infrastructure Agency network statement is exhaustive on the matter and lists only two common platform heights: 550 mm, 265 mm.
The only exception on the national network is a single halt with a 400 mm tall platform, only served by a heritage railway. An editor called Atlas (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated misinformation regarding Finnish platform heights 

message: Railway platform height#Intercity and commuter rail with high platforms. North American freight cars are  wide. These will clear a high platform the face of which is  from the centerline of the track or  from the gauge line of the nearest running rail by . Peter Horn User talk 00:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platform distance from track 

message: Please add the platform height for freight wagons (boxcars, flatcars, etc.). 2806:10A6:5:EB0F:0:0:0:2 (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing platform height for freight wagons