Talk:Christianisation of the Germanic peoples

message: Several accounts make clear that this was bottom-to-top. Jacob Haller 16:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is possible. However, in the case of the Franks, it was top-to-bottom. Depending on how fast I can work on this, I should get to that point in a few days... You are welcome to add a source for the Christianization of the Goths. -Zara1709 02:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started that. I'll try to do more soon. Jacob Haller 13:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to work on the conversion of the Goths in depth, please go to Gothic Christianity first and work your way back here. Thanks. Aryaman (☼) 22:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gothic Conversion

message: I am glad to see this article getting some attention after lying idle for such a long time. But please respect what you've found. It won't do to simply change a sentence to its opposite because it is  missing immediate citation. This might not belong in the intro, but there are, very much, people who have argued that "Germanic Christianity" has a quality of its own (to every nation its own church). I daresay as an innocent general statement this is a truism. More particularly, Tolkien was very fond of what he considered an optimal mixture of Christian and "Northern" virtues (e.g. in Finn and Hengest).  I am referring to Tolkien because that's the author I know best, not because nobody else has argued along these lines. dab (𒁳) 20:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, the reason that I am drawn to this article now is that I am arguing with Liftarn about the Persecution of Germanic Pagans article again. I am in quite a bad mood, and until that is sorted out I don't feel capable of discussion other questions. -Zara1709 17:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't have a question, and I am quite happy to assist you in the "persecution" issue. dab (𒁳) 15:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with you on this. dab (𒁳) 06:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: be gentle

message: I beefed up the first and added the second para; see Franks. Some might work over here as well. 
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===Conversion===
Some Franks converted early to Christianity, like the usurper Silvanus in the 4th century. In 496, Clovis I, who had married a Burgundian Catholic named Clotilda three years earlier, was baptised into the (Trinitarian) Catholic faith by Saint Remi after a decisive victory over the Alemanni at the Battle of Tolbiac. According to Gregory of Tours, over 3000 of his soldiers were baptized alongside him. Clovis' conversion to Catholicism would prove to have an enormous effect on the course of European history, for at the time the Franks were the only major Christianized Germanic tribe without a predominantly Arian aristocracy (their contemporary rivals, the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Burgundians and Lombards, had converted to Arian Christianity), and this led to a naturally amicable relationship between the Church of Rome and the increasingly powerful Franks.
Though a sizable portion of the Frankish aristocracy quickly followed Clovis in converting to Christianity, the conversion of the whole of the people under Frankish rule required a considerable amount of time and effort - in some places two centuries or more.Sönke Lorenz (2001), Missionierung, Krisen und Reformen: Die Christianisierung von der Spätantike bis in Karolingische Zeit in Die Alemannen, Stuttgart: Theiss; ISBN: 3-8062-1535-9; pp.441-446 Early efforts towards organized resistance were quickly squelched: the Chronicle of St. Denis relates that, following Clovis' conversion, a number of devout pagans, unhappy with this turn of events, rallied around Ragnachairus (or Ragnachar), a powerful figure who had played an important role in Clovis' initial rise to power. Though the text remains unclear as to the precise pretext, Clovis soon had Ragnachairus thrown in chains and then executed.The Chronicle of St. Denis, I.18-19, 23 As for the remaining pockets of resistance, they were overcome region by region - primarily due to the work of the quickly expanding network of monasteries.Lorenz (2001:442)
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I have more stuff, if you're interested in fleshing it out to a more substantial section for inclusion here, or even considering an eventual spinoff into Frankish Christianity (not unlike Gothic Christianity). Thanks. Aryaman (☼) 03:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Franks

message: Some Franks converted early to Christianity, like the usurper Silvanus in the 4th century. In 496, Clovis I, who had married a Burgundian Catholic named Clotilda three years earlier, was baptised into the (Trinitarian) Catholic faith by Saint Remi after a decisive victory over the Alemanni at the Battle of Tolbiac. According to Gregory of Tours, over 3000 of his soldiers were baptized alongside him. Clovis' conversion to Catholicism would prove to have an enormous effect on the course of European history, for at the time the Franks were the only major Christianized Germanic tribe without a predominantly Arian aristocracy (their contemporary rivals, the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Burgundians and Lombards, had converted to Arian Christianity), and this led to a naturally amicable relationship between the Church of Rome and the increasingly powerful Franks.
Though a sizable portion of the Frankish aristocracy quickly followed Clovis in converting to Christianity, the conversion of the whole of the people under Frankish rule required a considerable amount of time and effort - in some places two centuries or more.Sönke Lorenz (2001), Missionierung, Krisen und Reformen: Die Christianisierung von der Spätantike bis in Karolingische Zeit in Die Alemannen, Stuttgart: Theiss; ISBN: 3-8062-1535-9; pp.441-446 Early efforts towards organized resistance were quickly squelched: the Chronicle of St. Denis relates that, following Clovis' conversion, a number of devout pagans, unhappy with this turn of events, rallied around Ragnachairus (or Ragnachar), a powerful figure who had played an important role in Clovis' initial rise to power. Though the text remains unclear as to the precise pretext, Clovis soon had Ragnachairus thrown in chains and then executed.The Chronicle of St. Denis, I.18-19, 23 As for the remaining pockets of resistance, they were overcome region by region - primarily due to the work of the quickly expanding network of monasteries.Lorenz (2001:442)
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I have more stuff, if you're interested in fleshing it out to a more substantial section for inclusion here, or even considering an eventual spinoff into Frankish Christianity (not unlike Gothic Christianity). Thanks. Aryaman (☼) 03:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion

message: There should probably be more discussion of Boniface in the article; the brief reference to him doesn't properly emphasize his role in early German Christian history.-24.189.108.166 (talk) 18:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boniface 

message: As it is, the Gothic section claims that the Geats were ancestors of the Goths, and were from Romania and Bessarabia. I'm not sure where this claim is coming from. There are suggestions that the Peucini and other Bastarnae may have been East Germanic peoples before the Goths, but that doesn't explain the Geats. Ananiujitha (talk) 18:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Geats were incontrovertibly a Germanic people from Geatland, now southern Sweden, but they did quite a lot of moving around Romania in their wider range since they are basically the Goths.  You may be thinking of the term Getae, more controversial since the Latin term referred to the Geats, and earlier to peoples in Romania / Dacia whose connection with the Geats is more controversial. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 18:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you equate the Geats with the Goths, then you can explain them in Romania, but not being in Romabia long before the Goths. Of course the Getae weren't Goths. Ananiujitha (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why it was added here anyway, but as it seems like a side observation even if correct, I've gone ahead and removed it. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's this about the Geats? 

message: It ties together several sources to try to make an argument about the characteristics of Germanic Christianities. It is quite questionable whether there are many shared characteristics. It would help to have better sourcing for the characteristics of specific branches. Ananiujitha (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics section looks like improper synthesis 

message: can you please explain why you moved the page to an uncapitalised form? Ogress 22:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Germanic christianity

message: Wouldn't it make more sense to handle the (continental) Saxons in a separate section from the Franks and Alemanni (and include their name on it)? They were converted by the Franks, yes, but in a process nothing like the much earlier conversion of the Franks.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saxons