Talk:Vlaams Belang/Archive 3

message: *There are no formal links between Vlaams Belang and the organisation Voorpost,  which advocates a Greater Netherlands. BTW, Vlaams Belang even no longer advocates a pure and simple federation with the Netherlands .  You also claim that many Voorpost  executives belong to the leadership of the Vlaams Belang.  But perhaps you know more than me. Can your please give some (important) names?
:*The two main leaders of the VB, Filip Dewinter and Frank Vanhecke, were NSV-leaders at the end of the '80s, beginning of the '90s. Also, although no formal links exist, NSV, Voorpost and the VB are known to have the same security service at protests, and are known to call upon eachother for protests. 
::*And what to think about stories such as the following? Vice prime-minister in the Flemish government Frank Vandenbroecke is said having been a trotskist in his youth. Something that is probably “worse” than being member of a student organisation like . If such things must be discussed/analysed, I think the article about Vlaams Belang will really become too long, something others are implicitely already complaining about, when comparing the English version with the Dutch version.--Jvb – January 2, 2006
*The same logic for NSV, that is a student organisation. They even claim to be independent from any political party .
*Were Di is an organisation that ended its existence in 1968. I think you should better update your data base.
*The Ku Klux Klan? MP Marinower (a cunning Vlaams Belang opponent) speaks about a “comparison” and you already make the shift in meaning to “Unsubstantiated allegations”. Let me laugh.
*Cordon Sanitaire: In 2004, Vlaams Blok’s successor party, Vlaams Belang changed its party platform to allow it to comply with the law and no formal new “cordon sanitaire” agreement was signed any more.
*Blokwatch: a simple link suffices. Don’t make them more important than they are. The more because in the Blokwatch article itself it is mentioned, I quote, that now with Vlaams Belang most of the Flemish quality newspapers have given up to do research journalism on the so-called “anti-democratic operation of the far right ". This is no coincidence.
* The nature of Prime Minister Verhofstadt’s “critics” on Vlaams Belang has already been discussed  in the article by professor Defoort.
*Contacts with other parties in Europe, Vlaams Belang’s view, see . Excerpt from interview : “Filip Dewinter in Jewish Week - 28/10/05”:
::Q: You are said to have on your desk two pictures in which you are shaking hands with Le Pen and Haider. Why display those two photos? What does it say about you that you have selected those two pictures to highlight on your desk?
::A: Such photo’s exist of course. But they are not on display in my office. We have contacts with Haiders en Le Pens parties. On issues as immigration, we even have common ground. But we don’t like Haiders kowtowing for dictators as Saddam Hoessein or Khadaffi. We don’t  like Le Pens typically French views of centralisation, we don’t like his anti-Americanism and we absolutely don’t like his anti-Jewish provocations. Just as almost all French politicians, he has this disastrous illusion that it’s France’s destiny to have a special, privileged relation with the Islamic world. This explains the French’s biased political position against Israel. This explains their alliance with Saddam Hoessein, their support of Khomeiny when he was preparing to topple the shah… Le Pen shares this views, and we don’t like that at all. He is not the monster the leftists say he is. But I am not identifying with him. We are certainly no holocaust deniers. In Belgian parliament we supported the law who punishes holocaust denial. Recently we even published an article in our party magazine about Raoul Wallenberg, who saved ten of thousands of Hungarian Jews. In our party magazine, we repeatedly denounced arsons against synagogues and violence and racist insults against Jewish people, even when most of the mainstream press kept silent about this, because the perpetrators were Muslim youths. That’s an indication too: our party is very strong in Antwerp. We have more than 100 000 voters there. There were many attacks against Jews in Antwerp: a car bomb, a grenade attack on a school bus with Jewish children, some murders and attempted murders, and many, many cases of harassing, insult and intimidation. But the perpetrators were invariably Muslim youths or foreign Muslim terrorists. In thirty years, not one of our militants ever committed even one anti-Semitic act. These are not empty words. These are facts. You can check them. Ask the Jews in Antwerp. This is at least a strong indication that we are no anti-Semites. Mr. Marinower says we are evil guys, just pretending to be decent right-wingers. People can play a misleading role for some years. But is it possible that tens of thousands of people play a misleading role for almost thirty years?
--Jvb – December 16, 2005
:Jvb, I have the impression that you are carefully watching this article, to make sure that nothing appears that doesn't follow the Vlaams Belang party line. I think I'm going to nominate the article for a POV-check. -- LucVerhelst 16:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contacts with other parties in Europe /Relationship with other organisations/ Critics 

message: Hi there! I made some "cleaning" of the article and I would like to tell you my reasons for what I did and I hope it won't hurt anyone :
* I removed the last sentence of the intro as I think there is no place for such a sentence (with embedded braces on top) in the intro so I've put it in a footnote;
* For technical reasons, I changed the link to Jackosheas website (so that the third footnote has the right reference number) into a footnote;
* I removed the sentence explaining why Antwerp is the largest administrative city of Belgium and put it in a footnote as I think this is not the problem here and that it leads to some confusion for a common reader;
*I removed totally the following sentence: "The result of this election could have a crucial impact on the future of the Vlaams Belang and possibly on the entire Belgian political system." as I think it does not belong to an encyclopaedia (this is expectations... or a dream?).  I also think the whole paragraph it belonged to could be removed/reworded.  Or maybe it is more simple just to wait for thos elections and write something on this later... 
Any (non-agressive) comments welcome.  Julien Tuerlinckx 17:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up