Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR/Archive 1

message: Would the list of champions be best listed on each division's main page (eg: on Nextel Cup, Busch, and Craftsman Truck)? Options as I see them:
*Leave all champion lists on their respective series pages. (Status quo)
*Create a page with all three lists on it, potentially called NASCAR Season Champions, and move all champ lists to that page.
*Create three pages, one for each series, potentially called List of NASCAR Nextel Cup Champions, etc....
My current thought is option number two, as leaving them on the respective pages might make those pages a touch too cumbersome, but the minor series don't really have enough champions to require their own pages at this time. Any other ideas? -slowpokeiv 15:14, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions list(s)? 

message: Anyone want to do a write up about NASCAR Winston Cup in the Tobacco advertising article? I would, but my writing skills (and knowledge of the pre-2002 NASCAR era) are somewhat limited... -slowpokeiv 18:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobacco advertising 

message: I've seen the variable Years_In_Cup show up, and all of a sudden, I'm thinking, that's not a bad item to add to the template. One more I might suggest: Total_Cup_Races. Any other notable statistics that are missing before I add them? -slowpokeiv 23:55, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the Years_In_Cup Statistic on there, in case you're wondering. I was also thinking top-5 finishes and money won would work too.
--D-Day 13:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, finally got around to adding Poles, Years_In_Cup and Total_Cup_Races, not 100% sure if the template is "done" (well, more 75-95% sure it still neads "tweaking" of some sort...) What does everyone think? (BTW, great job on the Owner Infobox, all involved!) :) -slowpokeiv 01:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NASCAR former driver 

message: Awards:
(Cup)	2001 Rookie of the Year 
2003 NASCAR Rookie of the Year 
2004 NEXTEL Cup Rookie of the Year 
2002 Winston Cup Rookie of the Year 
1998 NASCAR Winston Cup Rookie of the Year
(Busch)	2002 NBS Rookie of the Year 
2001 Busch Series Rookie of the Year 
2000 NASCAR Busch Series Rookie of the Year
(Truck)	1997 NCTS Rookie of the Year
1998 Truck Series Rookie of the Year
1999 Craftsman Truck Series Rookie of the Year
2000 NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Rookie of the Year
How do we want to represent (inside the drivers infoboxes) the Rookie of the Year listings? The reason I ask is probably nitpicky, (I have a bad habit of that) but I would like a standard across all pages, and I'm not quite sure which line to put. The examples I can think of/have used are as follows. My main Concerns are for:
*Readability (how it looks in the box)
*Clarity (of definition, to both NASCAR nuts like us, and to "rookies", for lack of a better term.)
Any ideas would be great, I can't say that I've formed an idea yet, other than I want a standard. -slowpokeiv 22:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well personally, I love the current template for the Nextel Cup Rookie of the Year listings, and I would have added them when I did the Busch Series and Craftsman Truck Series listings, but I didn't want to make a mistake and mess up the entire article.(Which I seem to have an unfortunate habit of doing). So that would work. If you visit the article now, you'll notice that I've set up a couple of more asteriks for how that driver performed during that season(i.e. declared, did not run full schedule, still eligible). This is really one of the first comprehensive NASCAR Rookie of the Year listings I have ever seen, so it's really hard to follow an example. If we could somehow find a way show the statistics of the drivers(winners only, for spaces's sake) that would be good. I'm just throwing out ideas and seeing where they fall. --D-Day 13:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I gues I'm getting confused now. I do like what's happening with the NASCAR Rookie of the Year page, especially the asterisks. (my comment might be to have other symbols for the double & triple asterisks, but still, *s are better than repeating what is not required) My question was, when on each driver's page (for example, on Rusty Wallace or Scott Riggs, what should their "award" look like, ie, should we spell out what NBS stands for, or is a link to Busch Series good enough? Should we include NASCAR, or is it clear enough without having to spell it out? Most important, do we have to say Winston Cup rookie of the year, or in the abscence of that, is it to be assumed to be the premier series? -slowpokeiv 18:00, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see. I think a good idea for the driver's page would be just to have Busch Series. If someone without much knowledge of NASCAR comes along, they can just click on the link to find out more. I'm not sure about having to say Winston Cup ROY though. I know the article title was confusing because it was assumed it would contain info about every series and not just WC. I'd say, until someone comes with a better idea, let's just have it pointed out.
--D-Day 18:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rookie of the Year listings 

message: I hereby nominate being selected as one of NASCAR's 50 Greatest Drivers an award worthy of notation in a driver's infobox. In the abscence of any "Nay" votes, I am also adding it to each of the 50 boxes, when they exists, using the following statement: Named one of NASCAR's 50 Greatest Drivers (1998) Any objections, speak now, else, will continue in said course of action. -slowpokeiv 16:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NASCAR's 50 Greatest Drivers 

message: Hey, everyone.  I've been working on a possible way to list car/sponsor/team/etc. configurations.  I mocked up the way it would look for Mike Bliss below.  It's more code-heavy than I'd prefer (but this seems to be the only way to get anything done properly sometimes), but I'm trying to find the best way to display all of this information.
Any comments?  Even if it sucks, I'd still like to find a good way to display this info, rather than just stating some of this info in the intro.
One problem I'm noticing already, is that the table doesn't look as well when it's constrained by another table aligned to the right...which is why I keep writing to push the table down a little bit.
RADICALBENDER★ 23:00, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Circuit               	Car                  	#     	Owner/Team          	Sponsors
2005                  	2005                 	2005  	2005                	2005
NEXTEL Cup            	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#0    	Haas CNC Motorsports	NetZero, Best BuyOther Temporaries: U.S. Coast Guard
Busch Series          	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#20   	Haas CNC Motorsports	Smith & Wesson
2004                  	2004                 	2004  	2004                	2004
NEXTEL Cup            	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#0    	Haas CNC Motorsports	NetZero/NetZero HiSpeedOther Temporaries: Shark Tale, Fear Factor
NEXTEL Cup            	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#80   	Joe Gibbs Racing    	ConAgra (Slim Jim, Hunt's ketchup)
Busch Series          	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#20   	Joe Gibbs Racing    	Rockwell Automation
2003                  	2003                 	2003  	2003                	2003
Busch Series          	Chevrolet Monte Carlo	#20   	Joe Gibbs Racing    	Rockwell Automation
2002                  	2002                 	2002  	2002                	2002
Craftsman Truck Series	Chevrolet Silverado  	#16   	                    	IWX Motor Freight/IWX Motor Express, Knight's Inn
2000                  	2000                 	2000  	2000                	2000
Winston Cup           	Pontiac Grand Am     	#27   	Jack Birmingham     	Pfizer/Viagra
Winston Cup           	Pontiac Grand Am     	#14   	A. J. Foyt          	Conseco
1999                  	1999                 	1999  	1999                	1999
Craftsman Truck Series	Ford F-Series        	#99   	Roush Racing        	Exide Batteries
1998                  	1998                 	1998  	1998                	1998
Craftsman Truck Series	Ford F-Series        	#2    	                    	Team ASE Racing
1997                  	1997                 	1997  	1997                	1997
Craftsman Truck Series	Ford F-Series        	#2    	                    	Team ASE Racing
1996                  	1996                 	1996  	1996                	1996
Craftsman Truck Series	Ford F-Series        	#2    	                    	Team ASE Racing
1995                  	1995                 	1995  	1995                	1995
Craftsman Truck Series	Ford F-Series        	#08/#2	                    	Ultra Custom Wheels
:Good looking table.  I'm confused about what page(s) this would be used on.  The driver's page?  To show the driver's driving history?  Wikipedianinthehouse 15:57, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
::Yes.  That is correct on both counts.  RADICALBENDER★ 17:32, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
::Looks good to me then.  I'd put a title at the top of it ('Driver's History').  The box can go at the bottom of the article so it will not interfere with any other boxes. Wikipedianinthehouse
:::I see two problems. First, space It may not be very nice to older computers, especially ones with slow internet hook-up. Second, it looks a little confusing to add onto a page. So you might want to work on those two problems. Other than that it is a very good table. Keep up the good work. --D-Day 16:52, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car/sponsor configurations 

message: I was wondering if anyone knows of any websites where we can get pictures for the articles. I tried earlier, but I ran into some copyright issues. So if anyone knows where we can get them without facing copyright problems, that would be appreciated.
Here's some standards I am suggesting for what photos go where:
[list]
*Driver-Driver, car(s), any other significant events/places/things.
*Owner-Owner, car(s)
*Team-Car(s), Team headquarters
*Track-A photo of track will be just fine
*Crew Chief-Photo of crew chief, most significant car, any other significant events/things/place.
Any others?
--D-Day 16:52, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Photos 

message: Just created the /Related Pages page, an idea I ran across due to my involvement in the Wisconsin WikiProject. Long story short: link all related pages on this page, and then you can click on this link to quickly find out all changes to any of those pages. Thought it might help. -slowpokeiv 22:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, slowpoke! This will come in handy! --D-Day 22:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  /Related Pages 

message: OK, new project: Upgrade NASCAR to Featured Article status. Needs some work, esp. in the sources area. (per the Peer Review) I think that this is very do-able, seeing the very few negative comments in the PR, so here goes. 
First question I pose, can anyone prove the following:
NASCAR's headquarters are located in Daytona Beach, Florida, although it also maintains offices in Charlotte, North Carolina,  Mooresville, North Carolina, Concord, North Carolina, Conover, North Carolina, New York City, Los Angeles, Arkansas, Mexico City, and Toronto.
Headquarters, yes, are in Daytona Beach. Any sources for the rest? (NASCAR now, not just teams...) -slowpokeiv 16:50, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[NASCAR]] main page 

message: I have a question about wins vs. top 10 stats. Do top10's count wins too. I updated Mark Martin (NASCAR) page for the Banquet 400 with the win total, but not the top 10 stats. Can someone shed some light?
:Yup, anything from 1st to 10th place counts as a top ten. Same situation, anything from 1st to 5th counts as a top 5. Long story short, Mark Martin gained a win, Top Ten, Top 5, but obviously, the most important part of that was his victory. -slowpokeiv 03:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top 10's vs. Wins 

message: I just created an article for the ARCA series. Hopefully with time, it'll evolve into a project like this one. In the mean time, I'd appreciate it if anyone could contribute to the article and its subseries. Thanks. --D-Day 16:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARCA 

message: I was just wondering, does anyone ele think that a team's crew chief(s) should be listed in the NASCAR Owner Infobox template?--D-Day 22:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crew Chiefs 

message: I was looking at the NASCAR former driver template, and I saw one thing that was glaringly missing: fields for death and place of death. For drivers that are still alive, you can always put a dash in the field. Think death data should be added? — Dale Arnett 19:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't sound like a bad idea. --D-Day 20:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  My only concern, is that it would not be needed on living driver's pages, and it is not that hard to create a new template. As (I think) the majority of NASCAR drivers with articles are still among the living, i would reccomend creating a 3rd template, and calling that template  or something like that. -slowpokeiv 23:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  Ask and ye shall recieve. I just created it. You may view it at J.D. McDuffie. --D-Day 22:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NASCAR former driver — revisited 

message: Just created new template/user box for y'all, so be a proud NASCAR WP supporter! (if you want...) -slowpokeiv 18:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|User WP NASCAR}} 

message: I added text to the first goal, tying the standards we're developing to WP's broader ones.  It seems obvious, but it might help newbie fans, and the rest of us when we get overzealous, remember that we're here to make racing articles good in the ways we're trying to make WP good.  We're NOT here to make WP like our favorite race-fan site, nor to promote our own favorite guy.  (I've also added content to some articles since I discovered this project.)  Barno 06:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goals

message: SCR was a great source of documented history and news from the mid-Sixties until Dick Berggren's team left in the Nineties.  See my note in the To-Do List's talk page for a list of drivers and teams who I know had feature bio's.  We need someone with hardcopies, and there's not even an article index for those years on the SCR website.  Barno 01:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SOURCE: ''Stock Car Racing'' Magazine

message: Do we want to add/expand a few of the most notable suppliers whose innovations affected NASCAR racing, such as:
* Vic Edelbrock Sr. (lost a 2005 AfD vote)
* Ralph Moody
* Smokey Yunick
* Maynard Troyer (NASCAR Modifieds)
* Bill Simpson
* Dick Moroso
? Barno 01:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable suppliers