Talk:Donald Duck universe

message: According to the template the International Monetary Fund is an enemy of scrooge macduck.  I don't know what to make of this.  Is it a different IMF, the real actual IMF, or is this a joke? Jackliddle 00:27, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the "Real IMF". In at least one Barks and two Don Rosa Mr. Molay and Matressface, both IMF agents appear. Perhaps it's better to change IMP to Mr. Molay and Matressface, for otherwise people might think it's a joke --Mixcoatl 16:54, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Monsieur Matressface, as described in the Carl Barks story in which Scrooge seeks and finds the Philosopher's Stone which can turn base metals into gold, is a representative of the International Money Council, not the IMF. See Maurice Matressface. Andrewa 10:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: IMF???

message: There's a problem with the whole concept of the Scrooge McDuck Universe, in that it's not part of the original concept of the most important of the stories at all.
The creator of Scrooge McDuck and the most acclaimed writer and artist of Scrooge McDuck stories, Carl Barks, seems to have made no attempt to be consistent in his descriptions of Scrooge's background. This is not unusual in fantasy and humour. There's a spectrum, from series in which consistency is very much sought after, such as the Star Wars series or Yes Minister, to ones in which there's little consistency at all, such as the Goons. Scrooge McDuck and the Monkees are both somewhere in the middle. There's consitency in basic things such as the major characters and their appearance, but not necessarily in implied details such as where they went to school, what their early careers were, what their grandfathers did for a living. When such details come up in some of the plots, if they are consistent with other plots that's fine, and if not, that's fine too. 
This position in the spectrum is an important aspect of understanding Barks' work. The attempt to create a consistent universe starts with Don Rosa, and is not Barksian. Such attempts at retrospective consitency are not unusual, for example Isaac Asimov's retcons to his Robot stories to make them consistent prequels to his Foundation series.
But IMO it's important to understand that this consistent Scrooge McDuck Universe is not part of the original context of the Carl Barks stories. The whole concept came later, and there's no evidence it was ever adopted or endorsed by Barks, much as Rosa admired Barks and dedicated much of his work to him. Food for thought? Andrewa 12:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that what you wrote above could and should be adapted into the article.  I would be best if you could find a secondary source that discusses this. ike9898 18:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One small problem

message: I don't remember meeting the term "Scrooge McDuck universe" applied to all Duck comics anywhere else. Where does it come from, or has it been artificially created here in Wiki? Sure, in this article there's mention about "Scrooge McDuck universe" being a subset of "Donald Duck universe" - however, Donald Duck universe redirects back here. Ain't that a bit complicated? As far as we have any continuity in Duck stories, they happen in the same "universe", though of course they tell different tales according to the main character - Donald does different things than Scrooge, of course, as they are different characters with different charasteristics. But we don't have "Bilbo Baggins universe" aside from "Frodo Baggins universe" even though The Hobbit has very different tone than The Lord of the Rings, let alone The Silmarillion!
So I would certainly vote for "Duck universe" as a unifying term to include all Disney Ducks. Certainly that would include much differences from early Donald cartoons to DuckTales or Quack Pack, but subcategories could be made if necessary. "Scrooge McDuck universe" anyway appears as quite a strange term to me. Even if Scrooge has surpassed Donald in popularity, Donald still remains the main name character of the comics? --Haltiamieli 13:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that there has been some writing on this in a source such as The Comics Journal or Nemo.  If a suitable term for this topic can be found there, that's probably the best choice; we aren't in the business of creating original names for topics here. ike9898 18:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where does the term come from?

message: The list of characters is not long enough to justify its own page; it should be merged here. Neelix (talk) 19:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[List of characters from the Scrooge McDuck universe]] 

message: Are characters that only appear in one story, such as Barko and Captain Loyal Hawk really noteworthy enough to warrant their own sections? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe in some exceptional single case, but by rule no way – neither Barko nor Captain Loyal Hawk comes even close. Even Carl Barks alone drew or mentioned hundreds or thousands one-time characters of various importance to the stories at hand, but with absolutely zero notability in the bigger scene of the "Duck universe". Haltiamieli (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: One-off characters

message: Earlier, that was the name of this article. It's more consequent towards Mickey Mouse universe (if we should keep that name) and it creates less misunderstandings: "Duck" is no Disney word and there's not only ducks in this universe. Btw, Donald Duck is the absolutely most famous and likely representant for this universe and one of the two Disney frontmen. "Scrooge McDuck universe" is a joke - it's like Mickey Mouse universe should be renamed "Goofy universe". There's no sources for the real name at all, so let's rename it due to what most of us think is the best describing name.--Buggwiki (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Donald Duck universe? 

message: I find it rather interesting that Duckburg has its own article at least on the Danish, German, Spanish, French, Finnish, Norwegian, Portuguese and Swedish Wikipedias, but not on the English one. This is interesting because the English Wikipedia is by far the largest one, and it was Americans (native English-speakers) who invented Duckburg in the first place. JIP | Talk 16:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it the Donald Duck cartoons and comics are much more popular in Continental Europe, to the point where the character is more recognisable even than Mickey. This might explain the difference. --129.11.13.73 (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Walk into any grocery store, gas station, bookstore, newsstand, etc. in Norway or Sweden and you'll find a multitude of Donald Duck comics in the magazine section. Here in the States, on the other hand, you typically only find them in well-stocked comic book stores and on amazon.com. 68.35.66.170 (talk) 09:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duckburg 

message: From where comes the info that the dollar symbol om Scrooges bin would represent him embracing his american identity while the pound symbol on Glimgolds bin represent his british descent. Wouldn´t it be much more reasonable to attribute the different symbols to the fact that that is the currency contained in the bins. Scrooges bin is in the US and we can assume that it mainly contains us-dollars and Glimgolds bin is in South Africa so we can safely assume that it mainly contains South African pounds (the currency of South Africa until 1961).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.67.183.245 (talk) 14:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Glomgolds bin

message: I often wonder how it is that the citizens of our great democracies can DEMAND to know virtually EVERYTHING about their leaders’ private lives, right down to what they might have said and written when they were in their teens, who their lovers and friends were and are, where they go on holidays,  and what they had for breakfast, but think nothing of the fact that such a person belongs to a secret organization which strips, spanks and pisses on candidates for membership, and then obliges the new member to lifelong secrecy at the penalty of torture and death, makes them swear to support this and that, befriend such and such, and never to disclose what it is that they have sworn to, and that the general public think nothing of this at all.  
I remind people that that bastion of statesmanship, George Bush, was for years a member of the Skull and Bones and no one seems to think that membership to a society that has a Skull and Bones logo perfectly appropriate for the sociopaths of the Hells Angels, is worthy of any consideration at all. That’s just his personal business. In Australia and Britain, many officials and politicians are members of the Masons, and there have been numerous cases of Masonic Judges and Masonic lawyers secretly conspiring to have Masonic defendants acquitted. Apart from stacking the Police Force, the Judiciary and the Public Service. And of course, as soon as a peep reaches the Press, the whole matter is VERY quickly buried. Germany has BANNED these groups for these reasons.  Over here, we are not even ALLOWED to question why it is that a politician who is supposed to be representing all of US, can belong to an organization which requires him to take secret oaths that he will never divulge, and to support with all his might any fellow member, regardless of the circumstances, and, once again, in secret. This happens in a country that has been obsessed with painting Obama as a Muslim, when he has repeatedly denied it, and when there is no evidence for it. How very odd.  But then Rupert Murdoch allows nothing at all negative to be written or shown about this bunch of self-serving malign parasites, while keeping up a relentless campaign on Obama on the most specious of grounds. 
The Junior Woodchucks is a fictitious organization which in every aspect, and I mean EVERY aspect, was consciously intended to be a caricature of and a satire on Freemasonry and other such organizations, and this FACT made that depiction quite contentious in some circles at that time.  Now, look for the even a passing mention of this in the pars devoted to it on the page.  Why does WP shit its pants at the idea of even MENTIONING the elephant in the room?  Go on; tell us what has frightened the authors of this page of this brave people’s encyclopedia. Myles325a (talk) 06:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the talk page for an article about fictional characters, locations, and objects created by a comics company. Take your political soapboxing elsewhere. JIP | Talk 19:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Junior Woodchucks - satire on Freemasonry 

message: I notice that quite a lot of this talkpage is made up of debate about the lack of sources for terms such as "Donald Duck universe", etc., and that the other-language Wikipedias have the same content in articles on places (most prominently Duckburg and Mouseton, but not St. Canard, as St. Canard's population is usually in Lists of recurring characters in Darkwing Duck) instead. My two cents on this is that this whole "universe" nonsense came to be in the English Wikipedia because Americans only know Marvel and DC comics for the most part, where they have different "universes" which are kind of like different generations of authors and writers where their superheroes evolved over time, and it was throughout the 80s or later that Marvel and DC officially created this canon terminology of different "universes" in order to explain all the weird differences and inconsistencies, and started retconning in order to clean up this whole mess by having a number of "universes" destroyed or merged within actual plots in the comic books where characters cross over into different "universes".
But that's all superhero stuff from Marvel and DC. Problem is, Americans only pretty much know those nowadays, and start talking about any other comics in those superhero terms they know from Marvel and DC, which of course is original research, or at the very least not official canon with other comics. You can see the same in the article for the character Howard the Duck where they're talking about him mostly in those superhero terms and in relation to the "Marvel universe", which makes for rather weird statements such as "Superpowers: None. Affiliation with any group of superheroes: None.", as they're dealing with him as if he was one of all those superheroes.
The funny thing is, I've seen forum discussions on the recent DuckTales comic by Boom! Studios being some kind of "merge of different universes" fashioned after what Marvel and DC have been doing in order to clear up similar inconsistencies. According to those fanblurbs, Boom! is trying to reconcile the three different main currents of Duck canon today, which are:
*a.) the American Carl Barks/Don Rosa continuity (which DuckTales the 1987-'90 TV series was loosely based on too),
*b.) Egmont's northern European Ducks, still more or less like the Barks/Rosa continuity, and
*c.) the Italian Duck stories by Mondadori, which is a totally different universe than the other two, figuratively speaking.
*(One might argue that Disney's original 1930s-1950s cartoons, together with Al Taliaferro's contemporary newspaper strips, constitute a 4th continuity, as Barks was so fundamental an influence that the modern Ducks are much more like what he did, rather than Disney's original cartoons.)
Any serious Duck scholar will tell you those three (or four) continuities are a much more reasonable categorization of what the Ducks are like today than by characters alone.
Anyway, the only official term resembling this "universe" nonsense is "Disney universe" that has existed since the 1970s, which was the company's official name for the range of all their products you could buy. You're not gonna find any official sources on stuff such as "Duck universe", "Donald Duck universe", "Scrooge McDuck universe", etc. This current article of Duck universe is named after and made up of articles such as "Donald Duck universe", "Scrooge McDuck universe", etc., that were once fashioned here on the English-language Wikipedia after that Marvel/DC superhero philosophy alien to the Ducks. --79.193.47.192 (talk) 05:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: P. S.: Oh, I forgot my second issue. Where did Rosa actually say that Brutopia might be only eastern Siberia? All I know is that in Rosa's The Crown of the Crusader Kings, the Ducks visit northern Siberia as "part of Brutopia", where they're soon under attack by the Brutopian army. Wouldn't something similar have happened with the Soviets if you as a Western trespasser had've secretely breached their territory back in the 1950s, even though the USSR was much larger than just Siberia? --79.193.47.192 (talk) 06:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your post scriptum: In a post on Disney Comics Mailing List back in 2002, Rosa commented that "Barks made it quite obvious that he was implying that Brutopia was the equivalent of Russia or the USSR. I don't say it's exactly Russia, otherwise I would not call it Brutopia, I'd call it Russia. I place it as occupying the eastern third of Russia (Siberia), as I place Calisota as the northern third of California. But you can decide for yourself where either one is." (source). Haltiamieli (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions: Disney vs. Marvel and DC 

message: A Finnish friend of mine is completely certain that Duckburg is based on Portland, Oregon. (184.147.169.114 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And I know someone who thinks the town of Springfield on "The Simpsons" is based on Springfield, Illinois.  ......so what ?68.35.66.170 (talk) 03:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: everyone knows that the finnish are always right 96.25.44.61 (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be apt if the Finnish were considered to have the last word on things.121.74.233.34 (talk) 21:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portland, Oregon? 

message: :(cur | prev) 22:47, 24 April 2010‎ Lord Opeth (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (17,263 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Talk:Scrooge McDuck universe to Talk:Duck universe: Since there is no clear evidence whether the fictional universe is called "Donald Duck universe" or "Scrooge McDuck universe", the best is to name it "Duck universe" so that both chara...) (undo | thank)
::See Talk:List_of_duck_universe_characters#Requested_move. See also request to restore from User:Buggwiki above. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:59, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Restore [[Donald Duck universe]]?

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support: Donald Duck seems to be the ultimate defining character of this universe. While the universe does feature some stories in which Scrooge McDuck is central, Scrooge is clearly a less well-known spin-off character with fame and narrative largely derived from Donald. As pointed out in the nomination, the naming is currently ambiguous and confusing and would benefit from the "Donald" clarification. Also, as a suggestion to revert an undiscussed move, the default presumption should be to adopt this proposal. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:35, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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