Talk:Fuwa

message: Should this section really exist?  It seems rather tenuous and unhelpful with no sources stating that this is a widespread rumour 82.69.49.153 (talk) 22:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was listed earlier with references in one of the earlier edits even before the flood happened. I think a number of people were offended, and deleted it. We did the sources of the number 8s at this old edit. However it may or may not be related to the dolls. There was also a discussion whether that section should be kept. Benjwong (talk) 01:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

text: User 210.176.70.2 insisted it was a sturgeon on  this edit.  We should move it back to match the official website description. Benjwong (talk) 02:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I think you misunderstood the POV policy.  It is not up to the editors to decide whether it is superstition or 100% truth. Wiki policy states that it presents all views with sources.  It has plenty of sources. Benjwong (talk) 21:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: These "curses" are not based in any evidence just rumors and nothing else. Wikipedia is for information not hearsay. Section deleted.
Furthermore, to illustrate the uneducated status of these "curses" they use the example that the mascot Jingjing represents the earthquake in Sichuan. Jingjing represents the element of Wood, not Earth, which is what the Tibetan Antelope mascot Yingying represents. As said before, this is inaccurate information and should NOT be presented in an article where people go to find facts. Wikipedia is for FACTS, not rumors! 
--Venixer (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a FACT that the rumour exists.  We have a Wikipedia article for the tooth fairy, even though she is a myth.  I don't think anybody is suggesting that the Beijing Olympics is somehow cursed - certainly I would change any Wikipedia article that suggested this.  Kransky (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

text: There are at least 30 notable sources on the subject. Millions (if not billions) of people are already talking about it.  By the time the newspapers printed it, it was already old news. Benjwong (talk) 21:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Knowledge is not democratic, and Reuters is known for making things up, and this is absolutely a made up "curse". If you want to mention curses, then feel free to do so in another article or another Wiki, but Wikipedia is not for rumors. These "curses" are not founded by any evidence, and just because someone made it up and everyone's reading it doesn't make it legitimate knowledge. They got the information on the Fuwa wrong anyways linking the wrong attributes to the mascots, proving that they don't even know what the Fuwa were, when they were writing about them. I have removed them again and will continue to do so. This is not freedom of speech, this is about accuracy and facts, and the fact is the Fuwa are not responsible for any "curse". This is not tabloid journalism. --Venixer (talk) 23:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow I didn't know the earthquake was fake.  Thanks for informing us that everything was made up.  Judging by your edit history, you must be new. Wikipedia will not tolerate censorship. If you don't like it, don't read it. THE FACT IS there are millions of people already talking about it. You are purposely ignoring this fact. Benjwong (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then create a new article for the "Fuwa in popular culture" area where you can spill all the rhetoric you wish. Hearsay is not going to be permitted on the Fuwa article because simply they are not backed up. --Venixer (talk) 04:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IT IS backed up. There are sources on it EVERYWHERE. Benjwong (talk) 06:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The internet also proposed that people believe in Santa claus.  Whether he is real or not, it does not matter.  Wikipedia is open to all theories. Criticism of the theory is better than deletion. Benjwong (talk) 16:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The dead fish was a Chinese sturgeon species. Just as the mascot is also supposed to be a sturgeon.  It is related.  That is why Beijing did not give bass or groupers as a gift.  I am removing the tag. It would be best if you and user Venixer expand on the other points of view. Wikipedia will accept notable sources in any language. Also you two are calling the theory fake.  So far I am not aware of any sources claiming the government's response.  They have not accepted or denied the curse theory. Benjwong (talk) 16:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Curse

message: I suggest removal of this paragraph. It's full of original research which are totally pseudoscientific. 
:Support - This belongs in an article on Chinese Superstitions, if any, definitely not here given its original and pseudoscientific nature. Shiyang (talk) 04:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - We are reporting on superstitions that are in the common domain (not original research), and we are reporting this as a pseudoscientific concidence, not factl.   Please sign your comments  Kransky (talk) 08:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Thank you very much. DenisMoskowitz 00:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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thread_title:  "Cultural analysis" 

message: Fú is better translated as blessing or good fortune rather than auspiciousness (JíXiáng), while Wá may also carry the meaning of dolls. It's perhaps worth mentioning that they represent fire, water, air, earth and forests as well.
I know the official site translates "北京欢迎你 (Běijīng huānyíng nǐ)" as "Welcome to Beijing", but a more accurate translation would be "Beijing welcomes you[!]" Plus, it's more cuter, keeping in with how cute the Friendlies are! Axistence 13:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much. DenisMoskowitz 00:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I have just uploaded them. Someone experienced please verify if the fair use tag is appropriate. -- Felix Wan 02:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interpretations

message: * They look exactly like Colargol , or Barnaby bear. Hektor (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colargol

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message: This section was removed: "The Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China group led by Szeto Wah have said the olympic slogan should be changed to "the same world, the same human rights, the same dream, vindication for the June 4 Tiananmen Square protest". And that the five Fuwa doll should represent democracy, freedom, human rights, the rule of law and peace.Mingpao yahoo. "Mingpao yahoo." mingpao 支聯會奧運概念悼六四. Retrieved on 2008-05-19." Reason: The section does not seem relevant due to lack of notability. It was only a remark made during a campaign by one of the political parties in Hong Kong. The context of what was being said was simple rhetoric rather than an official statement or a serious request. It was a rather piece of obscure news that had little public support (though no one voiced their opposition either). On the other hand, if the Fuwas had actually caused offence and controversy, then the public reaction and remarks by the main political parties should be noted in this section. Clearly this was not the case, and it seems, at least to me, that whoever added this section did it with political bias in mind and not with the intent of contributing relevant information. 210.176.70.2 (talk) 02:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you implying the political reference of the dolls has less relevance than Sonic the Hedgehog video game? Benjwong (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Politics may have more significance, but certainly it has less relevance here. One should not confuse the two. Politics is not relevant to an article on the Fuwa. It is more relevant to articles about human rights and protests, and as such I have placed this information (which may be considered by some people to be important) on the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China page as well as the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 page instead. It is obvious that the inclusion of this so called "political reference" in a page dedicated to Olympic mascots (and is mainly viewed by children) is politically motivated, and Wikipedia is no place for political propaganda. If the party were making comments about the waste of national resources to develop and market the Fuwa, then it would have been a serious point worth including here under "Criticisms". Moreover, I have not seen sections called "political reference" in Wikipedia, while "cultural reference is a common section, meant to reference interesting trivia, such as the Mario and Sonic game. At least the game passes the notability test far better than slogans by a minor political party. 210.176.70.2 (talk) 07:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point. I removed it out of the group's page but left it in the protest page. It is not the political group's slogan.  Is like the olympic slogan. Benjwong (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political References 

message: It is reasonable to include the "curse of the Fuwa", but on two conditions.
* The phenomenon is described in terms of a coincidence that has been noted by commentators (not just the Internet community but elsewhere), rather than an "actual curse".  I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting that the games are jinxed (and I request people unhappy with  the section's inclusions not to think this is the intention). 
* This piece of trivia is only fleetingly referred to in the article.  The article on the 9/11 attacks does not go into great depth about the Wingdings coincidence.  Nor should trivia be a significant feature here.  Kransky (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed this section from "Curse of the Fuwa" to "Superstition" since that is afterall what it is, I mean what else would you call a curse? I made some corrections. Nini is not a kite, the bird, but a Swallow. Jingjing represents not the element of earth, but wood. Its clear whoever wrote the articles on the curse didn't even do their research on what the Fuwa represent, so I corrected these mistakes.--Venixer (talk) 00:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Before you complain that Nini is not a kite etc, please do your research.  The animals were never properly presented to begin with. As Beijing screwed up the wu xing five elements from the start. There is no such thing as "air"??? Beijing screwed up its own Chinese culture and presented it on the international stage. Is embarrassing.  Benjwong (talk) 01:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Benjwong: I haven't noticed anybody finding the Fuwa as "embarrassing", although the inclusion of a Tibetan antelope has criticised as politicising the games (and children's toys). Venixer: I don't even think the issue deserves its own section; I would be happy if we just have "Trivia" with a dot point on the superstition issues. Kransky (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya make a trivia section for it, because it is not relevant to the true spirit of what the Fuwa represent.--Venixer (talk) 04:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tibetan antelope is consistent with the PRC view contrary to all the western media complaining.  What I was suggesting is research this one all the way through with sources.  But like Venixer said, we'll leave it alone, since it is representing the olympics. BTW trivia sections are discouraged under wiki guidelines btw. I renamed it to "incidents". Hopefully neutral enough. Benjwong (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Curse of the Fuwa

message: Fuwa porn! 195.197.240.134 (talk) 10:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now all we need is... 

message: Someone disputes the existance of the Fuwa in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. It says [citation needed]. How's THIS for a citation? Do other Wikis count? Fuwa dogman15 (talk) 20:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Tempshill (talk) 01:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You want a citation? 

message: I have noticed on Youtube that there is in fact two different cartoons and this site only refers to the one titled The Olympic Adventures of Fuwa, which has a Toy Story influence with a barbershop quartet styled theme tune where accord to this article, they sing out their names sequentially. Just want to point it out. Jay Pegg (talk) 06:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just one cartoon 

message: I really don't know how to edit tables, but the current composition of the table makes it hard to read. Would it be possible to slightly change it and fix this? Itzjustdrama (drama?) 18:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Afterthought suggestion: Is it possible to convert the whole table to prose? Itzjustdrama (drama?) 19:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: Would be nice to have some criticism of the Fuwa themselves instead of the one blurb about how China should improve its human rights record.  There was a Wall Street Journal article where the artist, exasperated, threw up his hands at the micromanagement from Chinese officials and said "Christ, they just have to shoehorn a panda into this.  Just great."  (I'm paraphrasing of course.)  Tempshill (talk) 01:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

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message: Did people on blogs noticed that the color scheme of the Fuwa are similar to those of Sgt. Keroro? The blogs alleged that the Fuwa were partially inspired by the Keroro Gunsou characters, and they claim it was copyright violation.
Though I took this with a grain of salt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyuzoaoi (talk • contribs) 14:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever happened to Keroro being a violator of the teenage turtles and Battletoads? You should look into that one first. Benjwong (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fuwa and Keroro Gunsou

message: Can you please translate "福娃五连环" into English 174.91.73.91 (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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