Talk:Near-close near-front unrounded vowel

message: Its vowel height is near-open, which means the tongue is positioned similarly to a close vowel, but slightly less constricted.
Shouldn't that be... near-closed? I'm not sure.
:Yep! Thanks for catching that. kwami 11:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think the German sample should be removed, as it should actually read . Radioflux 20:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Oxford's got the near-close vowel for that word.  I do believe that that's the transcription for Standard German although I would be surprised if other dialects weren't different. AEuSoes1 23:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: German  may be close front , near-close front , near-close near-front  or close-mid near-front . It varies from speaker to speaker, the last two values are the most common (I think) in the north, while the first two are more common in the south. I also noticed that northern speakers that use more palatal  are more likely to use a near-close near-front-vowel, while those who use laminal retroflex  are more likely to use a close-mid near-front vowel . --Helloworlditsme (talk) 06:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Error

message: Isn't it an allophone? This kind of defeats the purpose of the example because Russian speakers might think it's equivalent to [e]. I went ahead and deleted the Russian example and included a Ukrainian one to compensate. -Iopq 15:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't think it's a good example, then find one where  becomes  instead of .  These examples are all narrow transcription and so allophones are acceptable. Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 17:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The trouble with using allophones is that native speakers often can't tell them apart. FilipeS 20:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it's on them to learn more about phonetics. Being a native speaker has little to do with knowing how to pronounce your language... especially if it has a broken (i.e. not having much in common with the contemporary pronunciation) orthography, such as English. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 09:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think what you meant to say is that they're not aware of all the different allophones in their speech. Obviously, native speakers know how to pronounce their own language. Also, I'm not sure what point it is you're trying to make with orthography; I'm not aware of any orthography that represents allophones. 213.7.56.181 (talk) 01:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that most native speakers can't teach the pronunciation of their native language without some training. By knowing I meant knowing how to explain. It's obvious that they know how to physically produce correct sounds. My point with orthography wasn't allophones, but phonemes. I've heard countless times that English has 5 or 6 vowels - A E I O U Y. Obviously, these are letters, not vowels. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 07:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian Example 

message: Don't Kiwis use  in the first syllable of seven? Thegryseone (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Zealand English

message: Hello, I am french. And since when petite is pronounced like that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.148.180.173 (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, but that's how it's pronounced in parts of Quebec.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 11:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  French error 

message: The recording in the sound file is much too close to Close-mid front unrounded vowel. --Espoo (talk) 13:30, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect sound file 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Over at vowel reduction, this is referred to as a 'schwi', but with no citation.  Where on the spectrum of established terminology to cheesy in-joke would this usage fall?  109.255.211.6 (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schwi? 

message: According to the sound example provided for this vowel (as well as others I have heard), why is the GA "KIT" vowel transcribed as [ɪ] in virtually everything that offers an IPA transcription, including this site? This is definitely not the KIT vowel I hear in my area and on television/radio/etc. According to the sound sample provided on Wikipedia, this vowel sounds almost identical to [ɘ]. Regardless, I think this vowel is certainly a central vowel in the mid to mid/high range. Bladesinger46n2 (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  American English KIT vowel