Talk:Heckler & Koch Mark 23/Archive 1

message: I've seen articles describing weapons and their use on fictional/popular culture context. Should we add a reference to Metal Gear Solid, since the SOCOM (with supressor and laser aiming module) is always featured in promotional artwork and in the game itself?--200.54.64.194 20:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be there, but someone took the 'decision' to remove it. I do agree that fictional references should be there, such as MGS, Couterstrike, Rainbow Six, perhaps even movies like Banlieue 13 or Tears of the Sun. Chronos 23:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we add this?. 

message: Much of the information in the first section is repeated in the second section. This is obviously unnecessary. Some guy 02:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: The bulk of information should be in the Mk23Mod0 Article -- as that is the USN Offensive Handgun Weapon System
The Mark 23 is the civilian 10rd (12? -- should be in the article) clone of the Mk23 pistol.
-TehLlama
:This debate about 10/12 round might be misleading a few people. There is absolutely no difference in the pistol itself, both the military and civilian versions will take both 10 and 12 round mags. For quite some time, HK packaged 10rd mags with the civi version, but they are now being sold with 12 rd mags. Also, I don't think "clone" is a good choice of words, because there is still no validated evidence that the civi version is any different from the Mk23Mod0 (other than markings).
:There is one difference: The Mk23Mod0 has right-hand threads, while the Mk23 has left-hand threads.
:Actually, the Mk23Mod0 and and Mark 23 are both right-hand threads. The USP Tactical is a left-hand thread. --Chronos 01:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: They SHOULD be separate

message: Seeing as the USP and the Mk. 23 are 'brothers', it seems that some effort should be made to make the information in their respective articles similar.  There's a lot of very detailed information in the USP article and while it obviously shouldn't be copied and pasted into this one, i think the similarities have to be proven and explained.
As for the Military/Civilian version dispute, they're almost exactly the same gun and any differences are miniscule.
:Family members, but not brothers. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 09:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USP article 

message: I removed the "Quotes" section because it's just a snippet of H&K advertising, and doesn't add new info. Besides, that exact same quote is available in the first External Link. 
I'd also like to remove the "Operation" block (again) because 1. the Safety section is just duplicate info found earlier in the article and 2. the Unloading section lists a generic procedure that should be familiar to anyone who's ever fired a slide-action pistol (remove mag, check chamber, decock). That info is not specifically relevant to this gun, and we already have separate pages for this sort of thing.
I'm posting this because the last time I made those changes, they were reverted without explanation. Thoughts? - Tronno ( t | c ) 16:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes section