Talk:Husain Haqqani

message: He was on Jon Stewart on Dec 9, 2013, and passively mentioned that he cannot return to Pakistan. Is he now a U.S. citizen and can he return to Pakistan? --GorillaManBear (talk) 00:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Anything about post Memogate?

message: Surprisingly, the Mike Mullen memo controversy doesn't even have a wiki page yet. Had something like memogate happened in an English-speaking western country (America!) I bet ~100 wiki articles would have been written already ... 202.3.77.205 (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nothing on Memogate yet?!

message: Style, as i understand it, is "an MA degree". Also, WP and other styleboodks avoid parentheses and avoid unnec caps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Risingsun23 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: minor edits

message: This section contained some very heavily non-NPOV language and is based on an unsubstantiated rumour. Once there is some legitimate source for this claim, then it could be a valid entry, but only so long as it is posted in an NPOV manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Thrace (talk • contribs) 10:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: possible replacement

message: I grew up with this man and boy, this article hides a lot of facts about this person e.g. he is a classic turncoat jumping from one political party in power to the other, advancing his political career. He also married many times to women of powerful political connections to advance his political career. e.g. He started his political career by winning presidential election of National College students union from the platform of "Islami Jamiat ul Tuluba", the student wing of hard line fundamentalist political party "Jamaat-e-Islami". He then joined PPP which was a left wing party in power. He then hopped to Muslim league when it came to power, and then back to PPP. To his credit, this man was an academic genius holding first positions at each level of education. Plus he was an excellent orator and always won debates. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 04:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omission of important facts 

message: This article says nothing about how most people in pakistan percieve him as an american apologist ,and he gave 7,000 visas to CIA agents with out security clearance approval.
someone needs to add that --Multan47 (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing

message: He spells his name "Husain", not "Hussain". Shouldn't that be how the article identifies him?
— iFaqeer (talk to or email me) 02:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Name 

message: ::::It seems to me that the source that is quoted in the lead is an article from a newspaper. The source quoted in the body article, from the same newspaper, contradicts the source in the lead. I have restored language about implication and conclusion, replacing language that speaks of guilt and verdict. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you tell me which specific source inside the article contradicts the source in the lead because there are many sources inside the article? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The body says Pakistan's Supreme Court noted that the commission was only expressing its opinion. Only the Court has the authority to hold somebody "guilty." - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

text: The source you, yourself added from Democracy Journal says he is a "journalist" and "political activist", no source says that he has not been both of these for 30 years. Please stop CHERRYPICKING. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When you originally edited you did not include the source. You can't accuse someone of CHERRYPICKING if you don't cite the source. Bill Thrace (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  You mentioned with surety that "Haqqani has not been a journalist for almost 30 years. He's also not a "political activist." Would you please tell us about source of this information as it is not supported by any sources in the article? Maybe if you can tell us your source of information then we might be able to adjust the content more appropriately. We might be able to establish authenticity if you knew Mr. Haqqani personally or he himself told you so. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:54, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  My statement was based on the fact that the page says he worked as a journalist from 1980-1988 and I was unable to find any examples of him working as journalist since then. Based on the way the page reads, it certainly sounds like he WAS a journalist a few decades ago but he hasn't been one for a while. I also have not been able to find any evidence of him being a "political activist" as that phrase is normally understood. I don't know Husain Haqqani so I can't help establish authenticity that way. I was basing my edits purely on what seemed to be a logical and reasonable reading of what was already on the page and what I could find with internet research. I don't really have the time or the energy to waste debating with you about it any more. Apparently it's something you're extremely passionate about, so just leave it there. Bill Thrace (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead wording 

message: I have rewritten the Memogate section based on multiple scholarly sources, books and journal articles. As recommended by WP:HISTRS, when a subject begins to be studied by historians, the content should be rewritten based on scholarly sources and news media should be replaced. I hope all involved editors will cross-check the sources and raise policy-based issues if any. (Please note that you cannot discount a scholarly source because it disagrees with your POV. You can bring in other scholarly sources that represent other POVs). - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks very much Drmies. I agree that the memogate section is very long. I hope to condense it in future, as well as to write more about his scholarly work, which will bring down the weight. - Kautilya3 (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memogate section 

message: There's clearly a need to address the controversies surrounding the subject while appropriately preventing this page from becoming a place for people to air grievances. I suggest that the page content be rearranged to include a "Controversy" section that can address that information. Under this heading, I recommend including a link to direct to the existing Memogate_(Pakistan) page rather than selectively repeating parts here. Additionally, this could be an appropriate place to discuss allegations. If it's going to include allegations by former Pakistani military officers, it should also include the responses from civil society such as this: http://tribune.com.pk/story/966751/who-is-afraid-of-husain-haqqani/ and this: http://tribune.com.pk/story/387841/what-did-husain-haqqani-write/. Present both sides and let the readers decide for themselves. If we can't prevent people from trying to use this page as a personal or political forum, at least we can try to contain it. Bill Thrace (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Experienced editors generally frown on "Controversies" sections, because they are magnets for POV pushers. Rather, any controversies should be discussed within the overall context of the narrative. In this particular case, the "Memogate" section has become prominent because that is the only thing that the contributors seem to care about. If we can find more general information about Haqqani, we can add it and the weight of the Memogate section would automatically reduce. - Kautilya3 (talk) 20:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can certainly appreciate that. I guess my concern is that this page in its entirety seems to be a magnet for POV pushers. Bill Thrace (talk) 02:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new "Controversy" section 

message: The article currently says that Husain Haqqani was "President of Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba." I looked up the Islami Jaiat-e-Talaba website and they provide a list of past presidents.http://www.jamiat.org.pk/about-us/ Husain Haqqani does not appear. It looks like one of the sources is an opinion piece by a former military officer, and the other is a journal article by Kumar Rupesinghe and Khawar Mumtaz. I was able to find a copy of the journal article on Google Books and it says that he was President of the Karachi Student Union, not the Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba. It does refer to him as a member of Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba, though. I think the way the article is currently worded is misleading and suggest the following change:
"Haqqani started his political career at the University of Karachi, where he was a member of Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba and President of the Student Union."
I suggest the reference to the 1996 article by Kumar Rupesinghe and Khawar Mumtaz stay, but the op-ed by Ikram Sehgal be removed.
Bill Thrace (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, both sources are valid and current statement about his IJT association is according to the sources. Jamiat website is WP:PRIMARY and does not count. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is a misuse of the WP:PRIMARY policy. The policy asks us not to cherry pick from primary sources. It doesn't say that we can't verify factual information by referring to primary sources. Anyway, the IPPR source is saying "IJT's Husain Haqqani as President of the Student Union," which confirms Bill Thrace's interpretation. I have added another source which says the same thing. - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association with IJT 

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