Template talk:Sonic characters

message: Is Rouge really a major character? She is only in a few games and is mostly given a secondary role. Should be replaced with Metal Sonic.
Chaotix is also not a character, but rather a group of characters. Again, they are minor as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.32.71 (talk) 04:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Characters 

message: The heroes and neutral is composed of playable  characters,even Elise and Maria who are much more heroic then G.U.N is in Miscellaneous. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be in Miscellaneous. If anyone opposes this,please say why,before editing.
Delsait
That Chao fella keeps on rambling that Gun Belongs in heroes instead of Neutral yet he's not even discussing it.
Delsait
:There is a sort of discussion going on further down this page. -- Supermorff 17:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gun in Miscellaneous instead of heroes or neutral

message: Can we change "other" to "Tv Shows". Since it appears to only be from the TV shows.UnDeRsCoRe 19:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Sub heading

message: Queen Alena, Sonia, Manic are not from Archie/SatAM. They are from Sonic Underground, a tv show. Can I move them? UnDeRsCoRe 15:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Queen Alena, Sonia, Manic

message: It appears that Silver was under the sub-heading. Neutral/Anti-heroes of the Template. How does anyone know he's neutral or anti? By what I've heard, that he's trying to stop Sonic from doing something that could potentialy kill someone, he appears to be good. Or at least unknown. UnDeRsCoRe 19:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Silver Neutral/Anti-Hero? 

message: I'm kinda uncertain about the classification here of "Heroes" and "Villains". While nobody probably objects to Sonic and Tails being heroes, or to Eggman being a villains, some of them aren't as clear cut. Shadow the Hedgehog and Rouge the Bat, specifically, could really be considered either (perhaps anti-hero is a better term for them), and even Knuckles the Echidna was an antagonist in Sonic 3. -- Supermorff 21:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, perhaps we can use the teams from sonic heroes for classification, and make a category for others.  Also, it might help if we split-up the Chaotix articles. -- ChessAndCookies 07:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a new category in the template - Neutral, and added Shadow and E-123 Omega. Any refutes? I'm thinking about moving Rouge to Neutral as well. Alex 09:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Very Nice, I couldn't figure out how to categorize the characters, mainly because there isn't one true evil, but you managed to do it well, thank you!  ChessManXI 07:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification

message: Does anybody think that the Chaotix should be listed in the template? Alex 09:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Chaotix?

message: I moved Chaos to Neutral and GUN to Hero. --Ac1983fan 13:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving around

message: I changed the title to Sonic X because this only reflects Sonic characters from Sonic X. If this is to retain the title Sonic (and indeed I agree, it shold not only reflect Sonic X), would anyone be adverse to making this a complete compilation of every character associated with Sonic? This would include SatAM, X, Underground, Archie, Fleetway, etc. It can keep the current organization (by hero/villain) rather than series, which is okay. Upon further review, I can see this is for the video game. In this case, even if the main wiki article is 'Sonic the hedgehog series', could there perhaps be some distinction made for it being a game series? Perhaps moving the template to Template:Sonic game series ? Tyciol 03:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Scratch and Grounder are in their own article, yet they aren't on the table. I'll add them for now, but if they don't belong, we can just change it back. Tom Temprotran 01:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who to include?

message: I have fixed the closing brace problem in the table. Pages that used this template followed by another template will now display correctly. --DavidHOzAu 07:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing brace 

message: At the moment the table takes up all the page width, making it look way too bulky. We really should keep this template consistent with the über pretty SonicGames template and add a hide button. I suggest that we replace the current table with the one below. --DavidHOzAu 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked Sonic's page to see how it looked now that the table closure is fixed, and it is really obvious that they need to be consistent. --DavidHOzAu 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Change is done, except for the Hide button. --DavidHOzAu 00:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update the table? 

message: ...would be this sane version. --DavidHOzAu 05:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed update of the named template. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Result of discussion: Update per no objections. --DavidHOzAu 12:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The next layout... 

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed update of the named template. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Result of discussion: Update per no objections. --DavidHOzAu 12:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Update

message: Please add  * Support  or  * Oppose  followed by a brief explanation, then sign your vote using "~~~~".
* Support It's more organized, and from where I stand provides a larger level of respect and recognition for the storylines these charachters came from SonicMobius 17:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey and discussion

message: It it known that Silver is neutral? Perhaps we should switch him to the "other" section like Princess Elise until the game is released? Or is there any confirmination he is neutral? TMNT Donatello 05:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silver 

message: Mephiles is more of an anti-hero because of him helping Blaze and Silver discover the truth of Iblis but he did fight Shadow but no one knows if it was for the right or wrong reason.
No, Mephiles wouldn't be an anti-hero, he would be a villain. He was only manipulating Blaze and Silver for his own gain, he fought Shadow because Shadow could have ruined his plans for omnipotence, he killed Sonic and tried to destroy time itself.Michael Mad 16:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mephiles 

message: Hi. Just wanted to say i just added the "Echidna (Sonic the hedgehog)" article to the template. I mean, since other "groups" of characters like Badniks, E-series, Aliens and deities are there then so should the Echidnas. Oh, and by the way, the "Mobians" article should be on the template to, but i dont know where to put it. Since there are no "Mobians" in the games it would have to be put in one of the cartoon/comics sections. But in wich one? Most of the toons/comics have mobians in them... Any suggestions?Rattis1 21:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Echidnas and Mobians =

message: I think it's too big. How about we do this?
Sonic the Hedgehog  video game characters
Heroes             	Sonic (Super Sonic) | Tails | Knuckles | Amy | Cream | Silver | Big | Chaotix (Vector, Espio, Charmy) | Mighty | Blaze | Tikal
Neutral/Anti-heroes	Shadow | Rouge |  Omega | G.U.N. | Chaos | E-102 Gamma | Emerl | Babylon Rogues | Mephiles
Villains           	Dr. Eggman | Metal Sonic | Fang the Sniper | Badniks | E-Series  | Biolizard | Black Arms | Black Doom
Miscellanea        	Gerald Robotnik | Maria |  Chao | Princess Elise | Vanilla | Flicky | Minor characters | Echidnas | Aliens | Deities | List of all game characters
Sonic the Hedgehog Comic and TV characters
Archie/SatAM             	Sonic | Robotnik | Snively Kintobor | Scourge | Princess Sally | Bunnie Rabbot | Rotor | Antoine D'Coolette | Freedom Fighters (Minor) | Wolf Pack | King Acorn | Ixis Naugus | Julie-Su  |  Dimitri | Lien-Da | Dark Legion | The Brotherhood | Mammoth Mogul | Elias Acorn | House of Acorn | Secret Service | Mina | Fiona | Anti-Freedom Fighters | Destructix (Drago Wolf) | Minor Archie characters
Sonic the Comic	Drakon Empire | Captain Plunder | STC characters
Sonic X                  	Chris Thorndyke | Cosmo | Metarex |   Chuck Thorndyke | Bocoe | Decoe | Bokkun | Nazo
Underground              	Sonia | Manic | Queen Aleena
AoStH                    	Scratch and Grounder | Coconuts
Anonymous - 12:10 10/28/06
:Not bad, I rather like the idea of having two templates in one. (Note: I just fixed a minor sizing problem in the first box, and prevented "Sonic the Comic" from wrapping, ok?) Since navigational boxes need a main article, how about the heading rows in the second linking back to Sonic the Hedgehog series#Spin offs because that has a nice overview of each series?  Perhaps Sonic the Hedgehog comic and television characters? --DavidHOzAu 04:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I just linked the title to the first one; see the first example for the one I like.  With this in mind, would anyone object if we change the template to the split version in preparation for creating a template ( or ) that'll have the second navbox? --DavidHOzAu 12:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first example is good. I did have a problem with distinguishing the characters, and I couldn't figure out how to make the distinction and still have the template compact. So, go ahead and make the templates. Hello2112 22:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Sonic characters (other media): done! --DavidHOzAu 11:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template size 

message: It's much improved, but I'm still not entirely happy with the "Hero/Neutral/Villain" designations we've got here. And it's not because the ones on the template right now are badly categorised - they're not - but it's because there's potential for dispute (some of the discussions on this page are proof of that). As a suggestion, we could divide characters into two broad categories: "Playable" characters and "Non-playable" characters. We'd need to decide which games count for "playable" (Fang the Sniper is playable only in one of the fighting games, I believe), but in any case all the major characters (almost all those we've classified currently as "heroes" or "anti-heroes", as well as Eggman) would be classed as "playable". If we wanted to subdivide further, we could split "playable" into "light" and "dark" (in the style of SA2, or Sonic Heroes), but that would probably need more discussion. However, it should solve the problems raised by characters such as GUN and Babylon Rogues, and maybe some others. It probably needs tweaking, as an idea, but is it workable? -- Supermorff 16:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: We should put Eggman in anti-heroes scince he has always help save the world and ever scince the Adventure univurse began, he lost the title of main villain. SoundPound500000 November 23, 2006 9:48 p.m.
:You will never get a consensus on that. Eggman is still a villain. You're right that he's rarely the main villain of a game any more, and he does have an odd tendency to help save the world, but he is still primarily a villain. Of course, for a compromise you could check out my suggestion above. -- Supermorff 17:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eggman is not fully Evil anymore. 

message: For some pages, it shows him as a hero but some have him as an "other" character. Could someone clear this up?Aramjm 23:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In his two appearances to date, he is a hero. But he is no longer a mainstay of the franchise, and thus with only two appearances he is fairly minor ("other"). -- Supermorff 18:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Mighty a hero or "other" character? 

message: Ok...this template needs a bit of a redesign.  Having two character templates is still a MASSIVE inconvenience for the reader who doesn't wish to separate continuities and wants to seamlessly navigate between character.  I'm actually thinking of redesigning the whole thing from the ground up so that there is only one concise FUNCTIONAL template (as there should be).
I've seen a few horizontal templates on other series that can fit entire groups on one row.  I think this is a better idea as opposed to the ugly centered thing existing now.  Layout and formatting suggestions?GrandMasterGalvatron 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but be careful. If it gets anything like the ugly mess it was in before, it will be split again. Still, a complete overhaul might work... Good luck to you. -- Supermorff 20:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split of foolishness

message: With the Sonic characters that get official art in the Sonic Channel site, should we put that art as the main pic in their articles? After all, it's what the official website uses to represent the characters in general, and not as seen in a particular game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eriorguez (talk • contribs) 23:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, this doesn't belong here.  The best place to discuss things is Sonic's talk page, Shadow's talk page, or the series' talk page, as that's where everyone hangs out.  As for your question: the existing consensus is "do not use them if there is no evidence that these images will become the new standard for the characters."  Comprende vous? —davidh.oz.au 06:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, I dunno if thid belongs here, but... 

message: I posted this under "Classification" some time ago:
::"It looks like this is an old discussion but... maybe the anti-heroes/neutral section should be renamed the "Dark/Neutral" section like how Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes had the "Dark side" and "Team Dark." Dark seems to better describe the murky or clouded alignment of those characters who are neither hero or villian - and its canon. Cigraphix 03:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody is responding so I'm putting "Dark" back in until someone does. Cigraphix 17:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well their names are often descriptive of the Sonic characters in some way, and I did detail above how it applies quite well to them. But you never touched my arguements against anti-heroes (such as how Shadow seems to be the ONLY anti-hero listed since he does villianous things for a more heroic goal (or at least what he thinks is right), while Rouge and Omega do heroic things for more villianous goals - theft and conquer the world respectively). Also how does anti-hero seem to be more "neutral"? Anti-heroes seem to be heroes who will do bad things to achieve a heoric goal, not exactly neutral. I think Dark better covers those who flip/flop between heroes and villians. Cigraphix 17:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so it seems the only way to encourage meaningful discussion here is to change the template back. Cigraphix 22:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name section "Dark/Neutral" or "Antihero/Neutral" or just "Neutral"? 

message: So wait, what happened to Blaze? She suddenly became an unimportant "other" character? If she is than Chaos should be too, seeing as he has 2 appearances and Blaze has several including 3 story important roles, an appearance in Mario and Sonic, and a multiplayer appearance in Riders 2 and Secret Rings. She's more important to the Sonicverse than Chaos and yet he's got his own article and a spot on this template? Please explain to me how this tomfoolery makes any sense at all, because I'm confused.
Edit: Wow. You just "fixed" what wasn't broken. You people are as bad as Sonic Team.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.51.224 (talk) 16:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blaze 

message: I strongly disagree with listing characters by when they first appeared. Doing so clearly caters to an in-universe perspective; alphabetical, however, holds no bias, and remains useful for everyone. The dates are blatantly unimportant, too. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that in-universe? It's release date, not in-game chronology. Tezero (talk) 18:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological versus alphabetical 

message: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sega#Organization of Template:Sonic characters czar ♔ 00:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed reorganization 

message: hiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
my name is Jamie and my favriote song  is follow me  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.221.34.204 (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good one, though my personal favorites from Adventure 2 are It Doesn't Matter, Aquatic Mine, Sky Rail, and Mad Space. In the future, though, please use talk pages to discuss possible improvements to their associated articles or templates. (Of course, if you're bringing up your favorite song in the context of a larger point about the page, that's fine.) Tezero (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  sonic songs 

message: After the massacre, why does this have enough content to stand on its own? I suggest it be merged into the main Sonic template. Tezero (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, I'd agree, but the main one is already so big, I'm not fond of adding yet another 5-10 more to it. Especially while people keep adding these tangentially related items like Somari and Freedom Planet to the main one. I think we should keep the character one. Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, those are fangames like After the Sequel is. It's stuff like Ristar and every member of Sonic Team that I don't understand. Tezero (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: At least Ristar is actually made by Sega/Sonic Team, and was basically created in Sonic brainstorming sessions. I do agree that all the members of Sonic Team should be removed though, that was not my idea. But regardless, it's still massive and crowded even if we removed all the titles we both are suggesting to remove. Sergecross73 msg me 01:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if there isn't a better way to reorganize the articles related to this franchise altogether. I remember that Mario and Pokémon wall off the spinoffs - I'm not personally a fan of that in either case as it separates some games from others while including non-game articles with one of those categories, but it's an idea. Tezero (talk) 02:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be possible, but the main difference here is that the Sonic fanbase gets all in a tizzy about which games are "main" or "spinoffs". Nobody argues silly stuff like whether or not Mario Party 5 is "canon" or whatnot. Not the case with most things Sonic. I wouldn't want to separate them, or it'll probably just start up more of those arguments. (Or redundant entries on both templates being added all the time.) And there really aren't enough of any sub-category, like "Sports", to warrant another template. (Again, contrary to Mario) Also, I mean, if you look through the template history, the template really isn't all that much smaller than what it was in 2012-2013, before you started your expansion attempts this year. I think it just looks smaller at the moment because its entirely flat, with just one level, at the moment. Sergecross73 msg me 15:13, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment? Oh, come on, do you actually think any characters are ever going to become notable? Sure, there are a few articles on Sticks, but she's in the same situation as the Wisps were: they're all in the context of what she appears in. (For the record, the template's actually larger than it was then; Big is the sole survivor.) Tezero (talk) 17:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand me. The "At the moment" remark was in regards the template's layout. "At the moment", all the characters are presented on a single line, opposed to past iterations, where it had been split up into several lines. (I think it was something along the lines of "Good Guys", "Bad Guys", "Races", etc.) My point was that if it was split into 2-3 lines again, it'd look like exactly how it has for the last few years. It was an argument as to why it's fine to just keep it as it is - its been through a lot of change in size 2014, but comparatively less when you look at past sizes. Sergecross73 msg me 17:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to the multi-level format way back when. IIRC, that was taken down because it's somehow original research which characters go where (but somehow it isn't to say that one game's a spinoff and another isn't without sources). Tezero (talk) 17:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh thats right, I forgot about those discussions, but I did some digging and found them. I didn't oppose your first proposal, though I didn't like the "Eras introduced" layout. But it is hard to define some some of the characters like Shadow or Rouge, so I understand Czar/Red Phoenix's concerns too. Anyways, there's 10 items currently on the list. I think that's enough to support a template, unless there's some obscure template policy/guideline I'm unaware of. Sergecross73 msg me 19:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see how Shadow and Rouge would be controversial; I think I proposed placing them with Eggman because he (without Metal Sonic for obvious reasons) would've been the only pure villain, but there we are. I doubt there's any official guideline - heck, there's a template for the Jet Set Radio series (why does that article even exist? It's just one game and a sequel) - it just seems like it'd be cleaner as part of the larger one. Tezero (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose?