Talk:Bologna Process

message: Seriously people. Why is this guy's opinion so important as to warrant an entire section for it?
I agree and will remove the section, it seems that there was once a section, at first called criticism with the quote followed up by a further description of Lorenz's opinion, most of it deleted after it's relevance and his authority were called into question. Until someone puts together a lengthier section discussing different opinions on the matter, I think it is better to remove his opinion for now, because the relevance of the quote for the article is not at all obvious and does not seem to be more than the dry bones of a once dreamed of exaltation of Lorenz.
Smit1937  — Preceding undated comment added 13:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Who died and made Chris Lorenz king?

message: Advanced Highers are equivalent to A-levels? In terms of UCAS points, yes, but in terms of content, scope, focus of each subject areas? No.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.152.14.118 (talk) 11:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotland 

message: Could someone who speaks English write the section on Estonia?
I obliged.
David WC2 (talk) 14:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonia 

message: The Bologna process is heavily criticised by students and universities alike in the countries affected by it (see the corresponding German article for some examples). However the English article fails to mention any criticism at all.
The article is currently a wee bit POV as it seems to focus entirely on the apparent benefits and the anglophone view. — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 11:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a good point - indeed professional bodies and societies have also raised some concerns as to benifits beyond making the masters the gold standard for graduates (certainly this is the case in Ireland where the bachelors was previously honours only and masters was for research and specialised study and also of honours standard). A lot of concerns that its purely window dressing and keeping up with the jones'. Will look for some specific material to cite and get the ball rolling. Djegan 18:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, for countries where the old German system is used, the Bologna accord simply does not make any sense at all. The 5-year Diplom has always been the standard for professional qualification in Germany. Research-oriented "master's" degrees on the other hand simply did not exist. One would complete a 5-year undergraduate professional course (a Diplom course) and then, either go straight into the job market, or enter a doctoral program to get an advanced research degree. Under the Bologna accords, German universities simply renamed their main undergraduate Diplom a "master's degree" pretending the two are equivalent, notwithstanding the fact that, in reality, unlike a traditional Anglo-American "lower research degree" (e.g. a 2-year M.S with thesis in the US or a one-year research-based MPhil in the UK),  the course structure remains, like before, focused on a professional rather than a research qualification (no matter what the Germans say or claim, a Diplom graduation thesis or "Diplomarbeit" is not equivalent to a master's thesis for example). 161.24.19.82 20:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism?? 

message: This section is quite unclear: "The Polish equivalent of an Associate's degree or a Bachelor's of Arts is a licencjat. The Polish equivalent of a Bachelor's of Science degree (given by a University) is licencjat, ...". So what exactly is the licencjat now, and how can it be equivalent to both an Associate's and a Bachelor's degree? --Brindt 07:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland 

message: I think the Vatican is a semi-official member, this should be checked for verification. ADM (talk) 20:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vatican

message: Currently, I note that the link for the "Sorbonne declaration" in the main article redirects to the Bologna process article.
I am of the opinion that this is not a good use. The "Sorbonne declaration" is currently available externally at 
:Sorbonne declaration
Hence I propose to add the latter as an important External resource and to footnote a reference to it from the Bologna process body. — Михал Орела (talk) 08:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorbonne declaration 

message: I do not see a definition in the article.  (or did I manage to miss it somehow?) --Nricardo (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the heck is ECTS? 

message: This sentence sounds pretty POV to me: The Bologna Declaration can be said to be a deal done in a smoke-filled room, by governmental officials, without any participation of the European parliament.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.49.125 (talk • contribs) 
It is criticism, which should of course be attributed, not given in Wikipedia's voice. 
While the "smoke-filled room" is a metaphor, of course, the remainder is factual. Like most of the "European integration" stunts of the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was unburdened by any pretense of democratic process.
Sourcing criticism to this effect is extremely easy, and a decent summary of its gist should be in the WP:LEAD.
E.g. Matthias Daum, Die Zeit, 19 December 2012 
:What the Euro is for economy, Bologna is supposed to be for science. The great wave of European integration has also affected the education system.
:It is an irony of history that it is precisely a reform that was set up to dismantle the archaic structures in the universities, that now leads to a technologization and ossification of the universities. The implementation of Bologna is a mixture of neo-liberalism and planned economy. In the name of increased competition, the central regulatory power of the rectorates and deaneries is strengthened.
--dab (𒁳) 07:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I am recently learning about the Bologna Process. I would like to add a citation for an article. I'm not sure how or where it would best fit, but I have the citation information in bibtex. The entry looks like this:
 @ARTICLE{west10ripple,
 author = {Charlotte West},
 title = ,
 journal = {International Educator},
 year = {2010},
 volume = {19},
 pages = {24-32},
 number = {6},
 month = {Nov-Dec},
 timestamp = {2011.02.05},
 url = {http://www.nafsa.org/publications/default.aspx?id=22989}
 }
As you can see, the information on the article is all there, along with the website where a pdf of the original article can be had. If anyone could help me figure out how to best integrate this reference, that would be great. I am new to article editing, and don't want to mess things up. I think this reference could add something to the article, since it at least represents a published view of the affects of Bologna outside Europe. DocEdit (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Citation to include 

message: While, to be honest, I'm almost certain that the accusations about how "New Bulgarian University" carries out the "Bologna Process" are true, their tone didn't quite fit an encyclopaedia article, so I removed them.
Zahical (talk) 22:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New Bulgarian University" edit 

message: the section 
"Rejected countries/entities
Four countries or entities applied to be included in the Bologna Process, but have been rejected so far..."
should direct the reader to a relieble resource.
I believe this section is misleading. example, as far as I know, Israel (which is mentioned under this section) never applied to be included in the Bologna Process.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.116.190.124 (talk) 08:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rejected countries/entities 

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message: Xx236 (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium  - effects? 

message: Prior to LMD reform - what, when?Xx236 (talk) 10:31, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I can't make head or tail of much of what editors are trying to convey throughout the article. I've tagged it for copyediting as it's in a terrible state. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  France 

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message: Maybe this article should have a content warning or something.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rnsxnv (talk • contribs) 20:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't wanna know how the sausage is made...