Talk:Neuromancer

message: Um, I think there are plenty of folks who see the relationship between Neuromancer's style and Chandler.  Ten seconds of googling finds:
* "Gibson is not just mildly romantic: he is deeply so, as affirmed by the continuing homage his earlier work paid to the detective fiction of Raymond Chandler " 
* "Gibson’s novel has much more immediate, far more hip sources, namely, the hardboiled novels of Raymond Chandler"  (reviewing All Tomorrow's Parties)
* "Gibson is a great admirer of Dashiel Hammett, though not of Raymond Chandler. The doomed love affair and mystery quest arc of the plot make clear that the novel is just as much "new-romancer" ... as "neuro-mancer"." 
So I think this amply supports the redacted sentence's assertion "Its is reminiscent of a 1930's noir novel in the style of Raymond Chandler, and its title might be looked upon as a pun on new romancer.".  Once could argue that the sentence could say Hammett instead of Chandler, but perhaps it should say "style of Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett" or perhaps "in the dark, gritty style of Raymond Chandler and Dashiel Hammett.".  Comments? -- Finlay McWalter 22:14, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the veracity of your sources. But have you really read any part of Neuromancer and thought that sounds like Hammett? A use of a sparse 'angular' style doesn't make it a homage, there is no use of the complex plotting, first person styles and other marks of classic noir. And I must say to read "new-romancer" out of Neuromancer is just perverse - what kind of pun is that? You can draw on much clearer and more relevant source words in the title. TwoOneTwo 12:38, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The sky was the colour of a television tuned to a dead channel".  Ugh, that's sub-chandler - it sounds like Mikey Spillaine :) -- Finlay McWalter 12:51, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text:  "there is no use of the complex plotting, first person styles and other marks of classic noir."  I fear this is largely because Gibson is crap at plot and worse at character.  The "find the Cornell box" thing is a lot like The Maltese Falcon (eccentric millionaire tasks down-at-heel detective to find apparently valueless object, but has sinister ulterior motives.  Meanwhile, shady lady is both friend and enemy.). -- Finlay McWalter 13:05, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have defeated your own argument! ;) It is certainly not a clear transference and, IMHO, including this tenuous relationship is not useful. And I shudder at that "new-romancer" thing, if you must restore the sentence, please don't include that! TwoOneTwo 00:16, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Neuromancer and Raymond Chandler

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message: Neuromancer is a 1994 American hand drawn animated Science fiction film directed by Richard Rich written by Brad Bird Chuck Russell Joseph Kahn and John Milius produced by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Animation, Hyperion Pictures and Creat Animation animated by Threshold Entertainment Fox Animation Studios Sony Pictures Imageworks and Dygra Films. Released by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Warner Bros Family Entertainment 92.40.212.222 (talk) 18:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's not.  But certainly provide a source if you have one. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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