Talk:Mahogany Ship

message: Should this article be moved to The Mahogany Ship? A curate's egg 10:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, I'm not sure - not familiar enough with wikipedia best policies yet Lisa 02:22, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: I am concerned that a lot of the information surrounding the Mahogany Ship is more opinion or "folklore" rather than proven facts with corrobated evidence.
I have contacted the Mahogany Ship symposium and made them aware of the article here and that they can edit it themselves.  Hopefully this will make Wikipedia a central place for all information about the Ship but keep the facts clear of opinion.
Two things I immediately corrected on the advice of the Symposium Committee Chair are:
:1. The information about the reward offered by Victorian state government (apparently it was only offered in 1992/93 and is not still current); and
:2. The information about the "first sighting" as Brookie put it (it seems that this is unproven - or rather no evidence exists that the sighting ever took place, and is considered part of Victorian folklore rather than history).
Let's be careful to make sure future edits keep clear which parts are fact and which are folklore (or those which might be either).
Cheers! Lisa 07:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done Lisa - agree with all that! By the very nature of this article - most is opinion rather than facts isn't it? :) A curate's egg 11:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: definatly the first versions of this page are a straight copy from .  looking at cleaning up & adding to this article now. Agnte 20:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: How would "The location of a real Mahogany Ship... alter Australian history" ?  The author seems to assume a great deal here, given it hasn't been seen since 1880!--Nickm57 11:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: I was just tidying up the inconsistent references to Kenneth McIntyre when it occurred to me that this article would be improved by cutting the third and fourth paras (For over a century...)and inserting them into section "Portuguese origin" or "Today". The actual sightings and records of the wreck, which are outlined under "Popular History & the reports of sightings" ought to take pride of place. These are quite well documented and from a number of different sources, even if the accounts vary somewhat.
Also, the part-sentence "After lobbying by the local Museum curator in Warnambool, a Government-funded search of the area was carried out in 1890..." is quite misleading. The letters in the SW TAFE library make it clear some correspondants wanted a search and at least one by interested locals took place in mid 1890. But the approach to the colonial Government came to nothing.
I think J.F.Archibald should get a mention too - he was so important in fostering interest in the 1890s.--Nickm57 13:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement

message: I took the following sentence out of Para One under "Overview" as I think its awkward in that spot.
"The episode, according to its proponents, faded into the flow of time and had no subsequent influence on the history of Australia"--Nickm57 03:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: I have made a few additions, to the origins section section particularly. --Nickm57 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish and French origins

message: I have made some of the changes I suggested in July 2007, also included new links to the most recent work on Hugh Donnelly. --Nickm57 (talk) 05:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview and Reported sightings

message: It was Capt Mills first suggested the ship was made of a very hard timber (mahogney?), when in 1836 he tried to cut a splinter of wood from it but his penknife "glanced off as if encountering iron".  Also, the ship it was thought the wreck may have been was the Santa Isabel not the Santa Ysabel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.117.64 (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: it's pretty well documented that Mills never wrote about the wreck himself. The account you are referring to is someone else's story about Mills. Nickm57 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: I added a bit in this section minutes ago on my father's book "Cross the Vatican Line" which is a heavily researched fiction he has been working on for ten years. It was launched at the Port Fairy Festival of words in 2011 and you will find it on Amazon and in a selection of Australian bookstores including some in Warrnambool and Port Fairy, The Warrnambool Maritime Museum, and a number of Libraries. You can read more about it at www.crossthevaticanline.com
I just saw now it's deleted already. Surely it deserves a place here as it is solely about the wreck and the portuguese theory of it's origin. I imagine it's more relevant than then murder mystery featuring a wreck inspired by the Mahogany Ship which is included. 
Siobhan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.36.78 (talk) 06:02, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That would have been me who removed it. Both of the other books are by authors that meet our criteria for notability at WP:AUTHOR and have linked articles. I'm afraid neither your father nor his book meet our criteria, which is why I removed it. Dougweller (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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