Talk:Neil Young

message: Let’s do the same procedure wiki does with so many other Canadian dual citizens such as Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion, Michael Bublé, Drake, Justin Bieber, Ryan Gosling, Ryan Reynolds, Barry Pepper, and Paul Anka the country that they were born grew up in would be in the lead, This is also the reason why American dual citizens such as Scarlett Johanson and Kirsten Dunst just have American in their respective leads. If this was a case like Anna Paquin who grew up in two countries than you can put the two citizenship in the lead but it isn’t that. Neil Young was born and grew up in Canada so only Canadian belongs in his lead if American was put in this would be a double standard and cause confusion to readers why people like Drake has just Canadian in his lead when Drake was an American from birth through his farther but Neil Young who only recently became a American has American in his lead let’s at least try and bring some sort of consistency to wiki articles. Black roses124 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started a Request for Comment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neil_Young#Request_for_comment)-- FMSky (talk) 16:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for starting the RfC. Young's citizenship has been the subject of quite a bit of misunderstanding at this article, which probably reflects misunderstanding in the real world. I think Canadian-American belongs in the lead as it's mentioned in the article. I don't think this would lead to any any " double standard" or necessarily cause any "confusion" to readers comparing this with other articles. I agree that consistency is a good idea, but there may be a similar case for one or more of the others to change. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian-American unnecessary 

message: Should the lead sentence say "Canadian" or "Canadian-American"? FMSky (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: I recently added the following content:
Forbes accused Young of hypocrisy because he uses insulin which is made with GMOs.Note To Neil Young: Monsanto Isn't Evil, And GMOs Are Harmless, Forbes, August 6, 2015
User:Dumuzid removed the content, and commented, "strikes me as a non-notable opinion, with the typical modern Forbes issues."
What do others here think?
And by the way, I'd also like to point out this article from the Guardian, which is called, "Block on GM rice ‘has cost millions of lives and led to child blindness’"
I think this makes Young's hypocrisy highly notable.
But I also want to see what others here think of whether or not this should be included in the article.
Baxter329 (talk) 17:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Baxter329, and thanks for coming here instead of edit warring.  When I say "not notable," I mean in the Wikipedia sense.  Forbes, in its current incarnation, is a bit of a hodgepodge; things said in it are not automatically as notable as they might be in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc.  I think this sort of opinion IS getting some traction in more notable places, and I will of course bow to consensus whatever it may be!  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a Forbes Contributor, not Forbes staff. Forbes Contributors are unreliable and generally should not be used per WP:FORBESCON. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

text: What Hemiauchenia said - it's a contributor, we treat this more or less like a random blog. Trying to link the Guardian article to this issue would be WP:SYNTH. This is not how we compose BLPs. Girth Summit (blether) 20:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbes article on Young's use of GMO insulin 

message: Here is an explanation (by a doctor with polio herself) of how the song "Helpless" refers to Neil Young's polio http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/polio/Neil%20Young.html Also discussed on TWiV, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKruriG1qVQ?t=2842 --Nbauman (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polio 

message: Young plays piano frequently as listed on multiple studio albums with Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, and Graham Nash's "Songs for Beginners" album--among others, and his solo albums, as well as seen in numerous concert videos showing him playing it. The article reference him playing piano and includes a photo of him playing piano. He also plays organ and bass, per multiple studio album credits from said artists.  
Genwicky (talk) 03:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Secondary instruments are not listed in the infobox, they're meant to be brought up in the article body per Infobox musical artist  - FlightTime (open channel) 03:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: What constitutes a primary vs. secondary instrument for a given musician?  Piano is clearly a primary instrument for Neil Young. I understand organ and bass would not be primary instruments, but not piano. For example, here's what's listed as Instruments on Stephen Stills' wiki page:  Vocals, guitar, bass guitar, keyboards, drums, percussion. Drums and percussion are not primary instruments for Stills Genwicky (talk) 19:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments to add: piano, organ, bass 

message: Taking a look at this article, it looks like his political views are mostly covered in the "Activism, Philanthropy and as a Humanitarian" section, which only covers stuff he's said and done post-2000.  Conspicuously absent is any coverage of the statements he made in the 1980s, which ranged from very right wing to blatantly homophobic.  As detailed in the Guardian:
"Politically-speaking, its hard to exorcise the ghost of his 1980s pronouncements, when he swung hard-right behind the Reagan presidency and lashed out at gays ("you go to the supermarket and you see a f**got behind the f***ing cash register, you don't want him to handle your potatoes") and welfare spongers. "Stop being supported by the government and get out and work," Neil advised. "You have to make the weak stand up on one leg, or half a leg, whatever they've got.""  (Note: The original guardian article didn't censor either of these F-words, but I had to put *** in the middle of them, for them not to be blocked by the filter.)
I'm not sure if there's been an intentional effort to santize his image here, but one could certainly get that impression based on these omissions.
I would recommend having a "Political Views" section, which would be more all-encompassing, and to keep this separate from "Philanthropy and as a Humanitarian" as to be more neutral in tone. -2003:A:502:E400:614B:80F6:BB4D:8DFE (talk) 12:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Those comments should definitely be included in the article. Popcornfud (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Now added. A "Political views" section would definitely be a good thing, BTW. Popcornfud (talk) 12:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV, political views... 

message: No mention of one of Young's greatest songs in article! 2603:8000:5C3E:F21A:1830:A625:D120:7AC0 (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powder Finger 

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