Talk:Sydney Riot of 1879

message: Could you let us know who the Ulyett and Emmet you refer to in the opening paragraph are? Cricket Neophyte, Japan
:They are two of the great English professional cricketers of this era. See the Cricinfo pages on George Ulyett and Tom Emmett. If you're interested in cricket, you might like to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket. Does anyone have a reference for Banjo Patterson being in the crowd? jguk 09:02, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Banjo Patterson talked about his role in the riot in a radio presentation later collected in Songs of the Pen: Complete Works 1901-1941.  I found the excerpt in Bat & Pad: Writings on Australian Cricket 1804 - 2001.  --Roisterer 13:10, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Is there more info about his recollections in Bat & Pad: Writings on Australian Cricket 1804 - 2001 that could go in the article? jguk 13:41, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Patterson was born on 17/2/1864, making him not quite 15 at the time of the riot. —Moondyne 13:30, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: See A N Hornby. He was a leading English cricketer of the time, who went on to captain England. I thought he was linked to in the article, but if not, feel free to add more links to him, jguk 22:10, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: No, these are down to my own inability to type:) jguk 20:40, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: I have a bit of a problem with the sentence: Nearly one hundred and thirty years later, bad umpiring decisions and betting continue to scandalise the sport..  It reads like a a POV and is probably too strong. I think the article would be better without the sentence.  Umpiring - good and bad is an integral part of the game. But that's just my POV!  —Moondyne 09:08, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad umpiring decisions and betting continue to scandalise the sport 

message: In Richard Cashman's biography of Fred Spofforth - The "Demon" Spofforth (p99), he quotes Spofforth's own recollection of that day in Sydney as follows (Spofforth admittedly didn't play but presumably was at the ground):
:Then the crowd could stand it no longer and rushed on to the field, refusing to budge until the umpire was removed. I have no wish to dwell on this painful occurrence, but I should like to point out that the feeling aroused was almost entirely due to the spirit of the rivalry between the Colonies ... The umpiure was Victorian, and the party spirit in the crowd  was too strong, "Let an Englishman stand umpire," they cried; "we don't mind any of them. We won't have a Victorian." There was not the slightest animosity against Lord Harris or any of his team; the whole disturbance was based on the fact that the offender was a Victorian. But Lord Harris stood by his umpire; and as a result, the match had to be abandoned till the following day.
This is interesting because it conflicts directly with Lord Harriss' letter. Interest in Intercolonial matches (ie NSW v Victoria) at the time was so strong that they often drew larger numbers than matches against visiting Englishmen. This also reflected in a general rivalry between the two colonies as described by Spofforth. —Moondyne 14:55, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken the liberty of adding this to the article. Please tweak the article some more! jguk 19:16, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fred Spofforth's view 

message: Sorry to put a dampener on things, but around half of the article is straight quotes from published materials: should these be in Wikisource rather than quoted in extenso here? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:52, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this opinion.  The long letters ought to be moved to wikisource, and replaced with tightly written summaries along with the wikisource link.  —thames 21:40, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. A significant part of the whole issue is the actual text of the 2 letters.  To quote summaries would really mean losing the essence of it entirely.  Perhaps they should also be copied to Wikisource, but I feel the text should be quoted in extenso here (in the article). - —Moondyne 14:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: "I must here diverge to explain certain facts connected with the Colonies which are not known or understood at home. Contrary to our custom, it is here the exception to employ professional umpires. This I was not told until after the disturbance. As you know, we brought no umpire, and on arrival at Adelaide I asked the representatives of the Melbourne CC if they could recommend anyone to us whom we could take about with us throughout our tour. They mentioned this man Coulthard, a professional on their ground, whom they had constantly tried and found competent, and added that if we on trial also considered him competent, the MCC would be very glad to give him leave of absence so long as we wanted his services. I considered him on trial a good and trustworthy umpire, and arranged with the MCC that he should accompany us to NSW."
However, this does not save too much space and I'm inclined to keep it, jguk 15:21, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: As far as I am aware, it doesn't, jguk 15:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Is this really particularly significant? -ChaosEmerald
: Ah, yes. Read the 1st sentence. -- —Moondyne 05:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really expect anyone to debate or comment on your point of view, I suggest you open a WP account and sign your edits. -- —Moondyne 05:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  just a thought 

message: Hi All,  On my browser (Firefox 1.0.7, Mac OS 10.4.3), section 3 doesn't render properly; the edit button is next to the picture.  I am not a skilled enough editor yet to fix this.  Cheers! Don 15:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't Render Properly 

message: Are you sure this is in English?  Perhaps we should begin a cricketish wiki for the dialect. --Ignignot 22:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: It is mentioned twice in the article that Edmund Barton went on to be the first Prime Minister of Australia, as well as a third time in the caption to his picture. Surely at least one of these is superfluous. I'd fix it myself, but I don't really know how (I'm new here). Fenneth 21:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edmund Barton 

message: I think that the title of this article Sydney Riot of 1879 is misleading. IMHO it conjures up pictures of public mayhem in Pitt Street or ransacking of Anthony Horderns, when in fact it was a pitch invasion at a cricket match in Moore Park. IMHO a title such as Sydney cricket riot of 1879 would be more appropriate.--Melburnian 11:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is - what was it referred to as, in reports of 1879/1880? If it was called the Sydney Riot then, it should stay that way now. Could say the same about the Cronulla Race Riots - no shortage of OS commentators saying it was only a civil disturbance, not a riot - but in the Aust context it's called a riot.Garrie 10:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: *"However, despite the titles, the main distinction between amateurs and professionals was social status:"  what titles?
*"Hornby had given a chance during an innings but Lucas did not".  an his innings?
–Moondyne 13:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We might as well use our talk pages since nobody else is keeping up. Yup to teh second one. First one should be categorisation, rather than any Lord/Baron etc YellowMonkey  (bananabucket) 22:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OKx3. –Moondyne 00:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sept '09

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