Talk:Demographics of Turkey/Archive 1

message: An exercpt from a BBC article
Turkey not only sees the Balkans as its backyard, but is itself home to an estimated 5 million ethnic Albanians. According to sociologist Nukhet Sirman of the Bosphorous University in Istanbul, many Turks are only now beginning to discover their Balkan roots. 
Here's the link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/11/98/crossing_continents/374751.stm
Your thoughts on how this bit of info should be integrated into the article ?
:It is yet another moronic article with full of overstatements about Turkey's demographics and Turks "discovering" this or that about themselves. In Turkey there are "of course" 5 millions of Albanians, then 5 millions of Bosnians, 5 millions of Georgians, 5 millions of Abhazs, absolutely surely another 5 millions of Circassians, etc. etc. According to such BBC-esque mathematics, there is just no Turk in Turkey!. There is no worthwhile info in the article to integrate into the article--Jensboot 16:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 million Turkish citizens are of Albanian descent ?  

message: I'm quite appalled to read in this article The so-called genocide of Armenians, Greeks, Syrians, and Assyrians and some other niceties over the treatment of minorities, coming just from the Turkish government's propaganda literature. This article (at least its parts about minorities) doesn't meet the requirements of a neutral encyclopedia. --Pylambert 09:05, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you expect? Most sensible people have not got the energy to fight nationalists. I for one totally agree with you but I don't have the energy to patroll these pages for Turkish propaganda, just see what happened at Adana.--Wiglaf 12:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but there is another possibility, block some people from wikipedia, it would seem wise for the Turkish nationalist vandal operating only on controversial pages to add nationalist nonsense: Adana, Armenian Genocide, Kurds etc. (just have a look at his 'contributions'). I hope if all sensible people keep watch on some pages it will be possible to eradicate these vandals. I already do it for Movement for Rights and Freedoms, Muttahida Qaumi Mahaz and Alawite (and some others, including in the French and Dutch wikipedias), but I agree with you that it can become somewhat boring. Well, that's the way wikipedia works, adding and correcting... --Pylambert 14:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I block people, such as Isarioglu, when discover that they remove information despite being warned. However, I can only block them for shorter periods of time, and I am not allowed to block them if I am in a content dispute with them. Anyway, in Isarioglu's case, I don't think it would help much since he only edits at Wikipedia every once in a while.--Wiglaf 19:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  an article based on Turkish government's propaganda 

message: User:Jensboot added disputed accuracy and lack of neutrality banners afetr my extensive additions to the article, unde the pretence that "The current state of the article is almost anti-Turk POV". I strongly disagree, furthermore such banners, in my opinion, may only be added if the reasons are exposed on the discussion page, which is not the case. If User:Jensboot has any observation to make on the lack of accuracy or of neutrality of my modifications (which are based on scientific sources and critical analysis of other sources), let him put them on, this discussion page. I have been very careful not to fall into the traps of Turkish and anti-Turkish propagandas, so altogether Turkish, Greek, Armenian as well as Assyrian nationalists may not like the present version of the article because it expooses facts, sometimes disturbing.<BR>
As User:Jensboot didn't appropriately back the addition of the litigious banners, I take them away. It is too easy just to write that "The current state of the article is almost anti-Turk POV", it is not enough under wikipedia's standards. --Pylambert 08:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Almost anti-Turk" ! 

message: I'm appalled by the injurous insults and aggression by Pylambert. 
I'm explaining one by one the edits:
1) I replaced the ambigious "traditional-style mosques" with "mosques" since what is "traditional" or "modern" style in mosques is not very understandable. Only "modern" mosque which became famous as far as I remember is the Faisal Mosque but such designs didn't take off. Local style, or the in the case of immigrants, the dominant style in the original country, seems to be more used.
2) On the statistics section, it was given a very large interval estimates of percentage without backed by data and stated that "(there are no official figures)" without backed by data. On the contrary, *there are* official figures. The 1965 census do provide statistics about the primary languages and knowledge of the languages. Therefore it is not correct to say there aren't official figures and there is no reason not to incorporate these data into the interval estimation of ethnicities. In order to estimate, data must be used, and without data, it is pure speculation. If there is data, therefore it must be used. Pylambert inserted to the article the phrase "Linguistic censuses in countries like Turkey are however subject to controversies." without properly stating what are these. Also the dictum "countries like Turkey" is incredibly discriminatory, Orientalist and then unashamedly POV. 
2bis) All the ethnicities stated in the article have their proper language, and a prominent part of the self-identification is by primary or secondary usage of the language. Therefore an estimation can very well incorporate the lingustic groups and stats. It will be good to list the relevant percentages according to the last census in the article.
3) I used "source" instead of "reference". In general, I prefer to preserve the word "reference" for sources with very wide consensus upon. It is a rather stylistic issue.
4) Oğuz instead of Oghuz since thanks to development of the UTF charsets as the browser standard, we can now see in the browser the exact word so original form of the word can be now written. 
5) "A a matter of fact" > "As a matter of fact". A typo correction.
6) Added "Islamic" to "jizya" since it is so. It is not an Ottoman invention. I added the portion "to enter professions reserved for Muslims", since in classical Ottoman era, some professions and branches of 'esnaf' were reserved for Muslims and non-Muslims were not permitted to do these or to enter the relevant 'maestranza' unions for these professions. It must be stated in the article. I left stated the Devşirme link and but removed the portion previous to it for a more NPOV, since it wasn't limited to non-Muslims to provide manpower to the Ottoman army, on the contrary Janissaries were a small contingent of Ottomans. The sipahis, timariots, bashibozuks thus bulk of the army and navy was drafted among Muslims in the same manner with Janissaries but without any benefits, privilegied status and hierarchical hope. I feel that too must be stated in the article for a more balanced view. Without it, the paragraph would be biased. Sufferings were just common. Most accounts only Devşirmes but not obligations on others. I suspect whether the conversion was a prominent method for avoiding Devşirme system since being a reaya wouldn't mean less taxes or exemptions from service obligations. I remember reading somewhere the non-muslim families prefered to send their children away or make injuries to their children to prevent their selection. 
7) I removed the bundle starting with "It is remarkable that Hamshenis...". The article is about the general demographics of Turkey so its correct place is the "Hamshenis" or an article like "Ethnic Groups in Turkey". Otherwise for a more NPOV, every ethnicity there would be needed to be allocated a paragrapgh in the main article like "It is remarkable that Romaniot Jews...", "It is remarkable that Askhenaz Jews...", "It is remarkable that Lezgis..." etc. ad infinitum, which would make the article unreadable.
8) The next paragraph was too much Original research which is against current Wikipedia policy. It is stated in the article about the book and the author in the Wikiquote  that the book didn't gather any attention. Therefore so it is not meaningful to say it provides a good illustration of a trend. 
9) I added to "following Zevi's example" to paragraph dealing with followers of Sabbatai Zevi, since he had instructed his followers to do so, and himself converted to alleviate the pressure from Rabbis and Ottoman authorities. 
10) I added "Slavonic" to before "blond haired..." since a blond hair-blue eyes are mostly some indicator of Slavic origin in Turkey.
11) "Emire" > "Empire" A typo correction.
12) I added "confessional" to refugees from Central Europe. I listed Russians who escaped to Turkey from the persecutions in XVIIth century of the Russian Orthodox Church due to religious differends. They are returned to Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution. However I wasn't able to remember the exact name (something like Nekrasovites or Nedrasovites...). I also added anti-Bolshevik Russians who fled to Turkey after the Revolution, due to their deep impact on the urban culture in Turkey. I added "(and Turkic)" to distinguish Turkic and non-Turkic Muslims fleeing from persecutions. I replaced "conquered" with "invaded" since "conquer" is quite a POV word. I added "Kirghiz"s who fled from Afganistan as well.
:It was Nekrasovites. `'mikka (t) 06:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answers:
* points 2 and 2b Linguistic, ethnic or 'race' censuses conducted by highly nationalist states, be they 'Oriental' or 'Western' (typically irrelevant Orientalist categories) are always subject to the natural suspicion of promoting the nationalist values of the government (including in this case the Turkish Derin devlet - 'Deep State') and minimizing the numerical importance of the minorities. The Minority Rights Group report of 1985 (by Martin Short and Anthony McDermott) gave an estimate of 19% Kurds in the population of Turkey in 1980, i.e 8,455,000 out of 44,500,000, with the preceding comment 'Nothing, apart from the actual 'borders' of Kurdistan, generates as much heat in the Kurdish question as the estimate of the Kurdish population. Kurdish nationalists are tempted to exaggerate it, and governments of the region to minimize it. In Turkey only those Kurds who do not speak Turkish are officially counted for census purposes as Kurds, yielding a very low figure.'. In Turkey: A Country Study, a 1995 on line publication of the U.S. Library of Congress, there is a whole chapter about Kurds in Turkey where it is stated that 'Turkey's censuses do not list Kurds as a separate ethnic group. Consequently, there are no reliable data on their total numbers. In 1995 estimates of the number of Kurds in Turkey ranged from 6 million to 12 million.' out of 61.2 million, which means from 10 to 20%. And higher percentage (between 20 and 25%) can be found elsewhere in various sources. Kurdish national identity is far from being limited to kurmanji language, as many Kurds whose parents migrated towards Istanbul or other big non Kurdish cities mostly speak Turkish, which is one of the languages used by the Kurdish nationalist publications.
* point 7 The passage about Hamshenis is important, 'It is remarkable' can be replaced by 'An exception is the Hamshenis'. As a matter of fact, there is another one, the Pontic Greek-speaking Muslims. These two groups are exceptional because they consist of people converted to Islam but who retained the language of their Christian ancestors whereas most other converts gradually adopted the Turkish language after islamization.
* point 8  Jensboot refers to a wikiquote article that had recently been modified several times, and ultimately suppressed by the administrators on October 8. The Encyclopaedia of the Black Sea is considered as a valid source on the Turkish wikipedia (see the articles linked to :tr:Özhan Öztürk, where they apparently have got Turkish or Turkish-speaking contributors not influenced by nationalism and its propaganda. See also http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/First_encyclopedic_dictionary_of_the_Black_Sea_released . He is not the only Moslem Turkish author with Greek, Laz or Armenian ancestry who opened the intellectual debate about these questions, other known writers are Ömer Asan and Selma Koçiva. 
* point 10 This remark is purely racist in the XIXth century mode, physical traits linked to a specific origin. I brings nothing to the article. Should dark-haired brown-eyed individuals among 'Slavic people' be characterized as 
* point 13 Hamshenis are just descendants of Armenian Christians who were islamized in the XVIIIth century (see e.g. the article about them), their dialects belong to the Occidental Armenian dialects, there is thus no reason to separate both groups in the classification based on languages or language families. 
* point 15 It would be useful to add that the Turkish term is 'laik', based on the French concept.
* point 18 This is not true: the Treaty of Lausanne only mentions the ('Greek') Orthodox and Armenian churches, thus not encompassing others Christian or non Christan denominations. The problem is thus not at all limited to Alevi clerics, it also exists for the various Assyrian churches e.g. 
* points 1, 3, 4, 5, 11, 14, 17, 20 are just detail non problematic modifications
* points 6, 9, 12, 16 are justified modifications
--Pylambert 20:29, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: What is the point of having 3 articles explain the same thing. People of Turkey, Turkish people and this article talk about the same thing! --Cat out 01:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles purpose

message: I noticed sections such as "Current trends in situation of minorities" on this article which has litle to do with demographics. 
What happens to Med TV has nothing to do with demographics. See: Demographics of the United States for a real demographics article. 
--Cat out 01:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pointless data

message: No merge. Demographics of Turkey is about general demography. Its main purpose is not to list all the ethnic groups in Turkey. On the other hand, Peoples of the Caucasus article is about the geographical distribution and a classification of these peoples in Turkey and the content of the term Caucasian people. Behemoth 05:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peoples of the Caucasus in Turkey]] 

message: I started pointing out discrepancies and POV statements in the article, however it turned out that it would be longer than the article itself. POV, biased and irrelevant information is all over the place. Just in the introduction part of the article, in the second paragraph;
Turkey has been officially secular since 1924. Although 99% of the population is at least nominally Muslim, there are people who insist on being labeled as atheists, a peculiarity unknown in most other Muslim countries where this is at least socially unacceptable, and often a legal offence and a one-way ticket to jail for apostasy.
I don't see what the bold part has to do with demographics of Turkey. It's basically claiming an injustice pratice in some other countries other than Turkey.
or the paragraph starting with;
 Ethnic groups: Turkish 80-92%, Kurdish 7-20%
The Minority Rights Group report of 1985 (by Martin Short and Anthony McDermott)..''
The numbers presented in the subtopic are not even repeated in the explanation part, are not cited nor there are any information from Turkish government sources (which, I believe, must have something to say about the demographics of the country it is the government of)
"Ethnicity in Turkey" topic is basically claiming that a handful of Oguz Turks came to Anatolia, oppressed the native people for centuries and finally disappeared in thin air. Check out the phrases like It is, therefore, absurd to speak about a "pure Turkish people", even more in the tangled ethnic mix of Anatolia. or  Islam spread slowly over many generations either through voluntary or forced conversions; many poor families chose to become Muslims in order to escape a special tax..  which is succeded by similar phrases alleging how people were assimilated.
I'm not even detailing the part under the "Current trends in situation of minorities" topic, as first of all I don't understand what the term 'trend' could refer to when you talk about stituation of minorities. Following lines contain irrelevant information as well.
DeliDumrul 00:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody disagreed upto now. I'm tagging the article. DeliDumrul 20:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand.  Why tag the article at all?  Just fix it! -- Cjensen 21:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong POV 

message: Why is this page titled "Demography of Turkey", while the standard naming convention here is "Demographics of [country]"?
Static Sleepstorm 19:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Who says that "...black-haired Mediterranean" are called Turks? Can you give sources?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilhanli (talk • contribs) 17:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  black-haired Mediterranean Turks? 

message: The statistical breakdown of minorities living in Turkey is over twenty years old and thus considerably out-of-date. It should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.36.125 (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate Statistics 

message: I fail to see any discussion in talk page about the changes I've made. It seems the article as it is now isn't a result of a consensus, but a large number of individual edits. I say the article is terrible and I'm using other "Demographics of X country" articles as reference.
Now the most important question is: DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? If so, go ahead and let's discuss. Or are you just for some weird reason acting like mass revert warriors?
I'm fully aware that Wikipedia functions through consensus, but I'm also fully aware that Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold in making changes and discourages conservativeness which makes people believe they own the article.
-- Mttll (talk) 21:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems that you mean well, but you are trying to do way too much with each edit. The article grew over many months, a little at a time, contributed by intelligent, well-intentioned people, and to mass revert their work, as if you know so much better, doesn't go over well. Try reverting a specific passage, waiting a few days to see if there are any objections, and then move on to another passage. And if you really know so much better than everyone else, then you should use your real name, with your credentials listed on your user page, so that the rest of us can feel more comfortable with your edits.--Anthon.Eff (talk) 01:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the previous consensus? 

message: Isnt there a small number of Lezgi also in Turkey?  Driven by the Czarist Russian expansion in the Caucuses.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.118.177 (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lezgi 

message: What has Genetics to do with the Demographics? There is another article Genetic origins of the Turkish people. Jingby (talk) 12:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics 

message: I didn't quite understand the table Languages Spoken. According to the table the total no. of mother tongue speakers was just over 31 million in 1984. The graph in the very same page shows that the total population of Turkey in 1984 was about 52 million. So what happenned to the remaining 21 million? All non speakers ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to drop the table of languages from this article and refer people to the Languages of Turkey article especially since the table in that article has more up-to-date info.  Integrate any discussion of languages into the discussion about the groups that speak them.  --Erp (talk) 04:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages spoken ? 

message: There is no mention of Asia minor Greeks along the black sea coast. Usually referred to as Rumcha in Turkish.
I did a google search for Rumcha but didnt find it. maybe we need a native speaker to translate from the turkish wiki.
Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  somebody put this in the actual article 

message: guys there's gotta be more polish people in turkey, long long time ago a lot of polish people came to ottoman empire. there's even a area called polonezköy which means "polish village"? any ideas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.10.149 (talk) 20:47, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Ends with a sentence which makes no sense whatsoever: "There are more than 1 million people of non-Turkish descent, about 1 million of whom are foreign residents." There are about 14 million Kurds ALONE in Turkey! Somebody should be ashamed! No link at the end of this claim, nothing...stupid, just stupid. Do not edit 'till you double-check or don't write anything at all. Miljkovicmaster (talk) 15:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles like this tend to accumulate bits and pieces (and this article could do with a good overhaul, should we use the Turkish government figures and/or the CIA World Factbook [which I suspect uses the government figures for some items], have we properly cited every fact, etc).  I removed the sentence you cited as 'Turkish' could mean either from a Turkic speaking people or born in Turkey (aka not immigrants or foreign residents) so is vague.  In addition even if the latter is what is meant I'm sure a certain percentage of immigrants have become Turkish citizens (or else the sentence is redundant).   --Erp (talk) 23:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of this article... 

message: The birth per woman 2010 in Turkey was 2.18 and not 2.31
here the link: http://www.indexmundi.com/turkey/total_fertility_rate.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.13.185.126 (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth per woman 2010 

message: *Turkic groups:Turks(Balkan Turks,Anatolian Turks),Kumyks,Crimean Tatars,Karachays,Balkarians,Nogays,Karakalpaks,Azeris
*Balkan groups:Turks(Balkan Turks),Bosniaks,Greeks(Grecian),Bulgarians(Christian & Pomak),Albanians
*Anatolian groups:Turks(Anatolian Turks),Greeks(Pontic Greeks too),Roma,Kurds,Armenians(Hamshenis Armenians as well),Assyrians,Arabs
*Chevneburis:Georgians
*Caucasian groups:Inguish,Chechens,Abazas,Abkhazians,Adyghes,Laz
J87
U.S. data from the Ethnologue: Languages ​​of the World organization PA St. Andrews - compared to 2001
Ethnic origins in Turkey:
86.21% of Turkish
Kurdish 8:36%
Circassian 2.14%
Arab 1.63%
Zaza 0.53%  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 09:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic Groups in Turkey

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message: im zazaki speaker kurd .zazaki is dialect of kurdish language!pls edit page!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.179.151 (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZAZAS=KURDS! 

message: "...55 million ethnic Turks, 9.3 million Kurds, 3,000,000 Serbs, 3,000,000 Zazas"
3 million Serbs? I didn't see anything about Serbs in source link. I don't meet any Serb in Turkey. Better to edit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.183.82 (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serps In Turkey 

message: What does this mean?
"The word Turk or Turkish also has a wider meaning in a historical context because, at times, especially in the past, it has been used to refer to all Muslim inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire irrespective of their ethnicity."
"...at times, especially in the past..." but less so in the future?
This should be edited to:
"The word Turk or Turkish also has a wider meaning in a historical context because, at times, it has been used to refer to all Muslim inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire irrespective of their ethnicity."
All historical contexts are in the past.  I would have edited, but it looks like many edits on this page get reverted.
70.74.191.229 (talk) 12:54, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...at times, especially in the past..." ? 

message: Who says that "...black-haired Mediterranean" are called Turks? Can you give are source?
Afro Turks - Afrika Kökenli Türkler  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 14:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  black-haired Mediterranean Turks? 

message: Gaziantep, Kilis and Northeastern Anatolia Kurdish population(except Iğdır) is not true. And also Iğdır's Kurdish population started to rise in 1990's because of internal emigration so it's not historical  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.159.9 (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map in Kurdish is not accurate 

message: why this article doesnt disscuss about afro-turks as part of minority ethnic group in Turkey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.10.159.31 (talk) 06:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afro-turks 

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According to what is this map?--Nonemansland (talk) 06:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: According to what is this map?--Nonemansland (talk) 06:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: Mehrdad Izady, the author of the main source of the linguistic map has Kurd roots, while the publisher filters the work as reliable. Which is Columbia Univeristy ranked third in the US after Harvard and Stanford . Izady's map is based on other sources. The Kurdish areas from his map appear on an image of the 1986 CIA World Factbook. --Nonemansland (talk) 09:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: Dear editors. I removed this, because it has multiply issues like putting non existend states like; Kurdistan, Eastern Turkistan, Lazica, etc.. Second problem is, Turkic peoples are listed while Central Asian Turkic nations are listed separate. Meskhetian Turks are listed as if they're from Turkey, which they are not. And different European nations which are not of same from the same ethnicity, such as Germanic and Slavic people, were put together. Also the numbers are exaggerated and unsourced. There are already several ethnic estimated on the article. Edit: I found that it was placed by an user which had different accounts. first edit, confirmed sockpuppet. And its second account.  Beshogur (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary Ethnic Groups 

message: Where does the number 1,180,840 births for the year 2019 and an alleged fertility rate of 1.88 per woman are coming from?
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message: The Turkish people, are a nation (millet) in the meaning of an ethnos (Halk in Turkish), defined more by a sense of sharing a common Turkish culture and having a Turkish mother tongue, than by citizenship, religion or by being subjects to any particular country. 
I removed this. I don't think wikipedia is any position to define the identity of the Turkish people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.3.239.126 (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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