Talk:Adidas Teamgeist

message: I've been hearing in the news that a few players (Robinson, Roberto Carlos) criticize this ball as being too light and like a "polo ball".  Perhaps some of this criticism should be in the article.  Because at the moment it reads like an Adidas press release.
More info here:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1791838,00.html 
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/02/Sports/Champs__New_ball_fall.shtml 82.32.218.107
:Fully agreed, I've heard a bunch of griping about this ball, both flom players and various media. I'm not saying that the ball isn't good, but the tone needs scaled down, and ambiguous terms like "scientific tests" should be explained more thoroughly, maybe with statistics from adidas, who, last I read, hadn't even released the results from their artificial leg test in the lab.--Josh Rocchio 03:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard football is a truncated icosahedron, not an octahedron Bwysock 05:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I added a criticism section but the quality is quite low, I'm not a great writer.  Could somebody improve it please? 82.32.218.107
Chopped a lot of the adidas puffery out etc --Snori 15:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Clarified - 40 of the std match balls and 20 of the final/Berlin version are provided--Snori 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, there's History of association football balls#FIFA World Cup, if you haven't seen it. Only a couple of balls have articles; if there were more, perhaps some succession boxes would be in order? Melchoir 09:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe we can base them on this? : http://www.soccerballworld.com/HistoryWCBalls.htm --Skydivemayday 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

message: This article should not use the plus sign, except maybe once at the top, and it should never use the trademark sign. Such unpronouned, non-English decorations are discouraged per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), and they are usually dropped by the press; under various sections of Wikipedia:Naming conventions they are also inappropriate for the title. If anyone feels strongly about inserting a plus sign into the article title, please take it up at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Melchoir 00:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody wants to insert a plus sign, as it is already in the name of the product, see :de:+Teamgeist and :de:Teamgeist. But why do people want to remove it? Why not removing minus signs from other names, too, like CocaCola? Afterall, its only a small dot in that logo anyway.--Matthead 09:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See, that's a great example; Coca-Cola would probably like us to use a dot, but dots aren't a part of English grammar, and neither are minus signs. The shorter hyphens are a part of English grammar, and media sources use the hyphen in their name, so we do too. The plus sign serves no grammatical purpose, and there is no symbol that ever precedes a proper name. To put it simply, the name of the ball effectively is Teamgeist, but its creators decorate it with meaningless artwork for their own purposes (vanity and trademark protection), and these are purposes we do not share. As for the German Wikipedia, they need to disambiguate between the ball and the concept of team spirit; we do not. Melchoir 19:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and? If the football is called now +Teamgeist, this article must be name +Teamgeist. --Emijrp 21:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: +Anima, (+44), +D, +DOG+ ;) --Emijrp 21:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you check Google News, the ball is called (usually) Teamgeist. I haven't checked those other articles, but I bet they're a different story. And unlike a couple of your examples, no one ever says "plus teamgeist". Melchoir 21:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, you've moved it again? Seriously, if you want to include a plus sign in the article name, take it up with WP:RM. Melchoir 22:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plus sign 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~''
*Support --Emijrp 08:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Has anyone started calling it the peanut-ball? That's what a few locals called it.--Omnicog 18:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard that here...then again, I'm in the U.S.  Any idea why they're calling it that? --Cirus206 20:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: A friend of my called it "the sanitary napkin ball". But this information is far from encyclopedic, of course. :) --Abu Badali 21:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: Is this ball commercially available?  As the article stats, the official replica is merely a traditional ball with the graphic design superimposed on top; that's the only version I saw at the local sporting goods store.  Yet I have also read that some WC players had ordered their own supply of the balls before the World Cup in order to practice; perhaps it was only available to players?  Even if it isn't (or wasn't, as the cup is now order) generally available, I imagine it will eventually be made so? Pimlottc 22:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen the original Teamgeist for sale in Estonian (!) stores as early as the beginning of August 2006. They should theoretically still be available worldwide. And the high cost is probably a combination of the complex structure and low availability. PeepP 15:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commerical availability 

message: I've seen the ball used in UEFA Champions League matches. Perhaps this should be mentioned in the article - provided there's more information, I suppose. Number 8 11:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions League 

message: Does anyone else feel that this article is showing a slight bias by mentioning the fact that the players who liked the ball were sponsored by Adidas? I'll wait a couple days before deleting it... opinions in the meantime? 72.87.63.14 (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section 

message: For the other versions of the teamqest ball, the golden world cup finals ball should be added.
[user:androo123]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.203.182.78 (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  World cup finals ball