Talk:Genghis Khan/Archive 3

message: User 67.177.214.75: please stop reverting the entire article. Your last revert is in violation of the W:3RR.  Besides, it is especially not appropriate when the previous author has copy-edited considerably and thoughtfully.  Why don't you instead edit those particular paragraphs where you feel necessary, and use this discussion page to substantiate your position and to reach an agreeable solution in a civil dispute.  
This becomes a disruption for other authors who would also want to contribute to the article. - Introvert talk 07:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  please stop the edit war, we are not in the 13 century anymore 

message: Dear all, there is a copy of this article (probably a dated version) on Genghis Khan/temp. I would suggest somebody take a look to see which information should be salvaged (some of the pictures look nice), and then put the temp article up for deletion. Enjoy! :-) --The Minister of War 10:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with Temp 

message: This article seems to be evolving, but it is not exactly clear in what direction.  Take a look at the  version by siafu on August 4.  While I like the timeline, in general since then the intro and overview have gotten worse, the grammer has declined and unsupported assertions have increased. Most of the edits have been from anonymous IPs, and nobody is sourcing their inserts. What, exactly, are we striving for here?  We need some sort of consensus. --Goodoldpolonius2 04:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Thing is, once the article is wonderfully polished up, anons will continue to edit :-) Lets at least bring the old introduction back in, i agree its much nicer. --The Minister of War 06:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this somewhat. But we need more info on this page. I think info is important with proper citations rather than this page being just nice. I think more info the better, but with citations and references. Copyediting is simpler than developing this article with content. I think having more content is important than this article being grammatically correct somehow. 67.177.214.75 23:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Evolution?

message: I believe that the image shown as being Genghis Khan is actually his grandson, Kublai Khan. A picture in my World History textbook (McDougal Littell- World History: Patterns of Interactions (c) 2003 on page 300 shows that the picture is actually one of Kublain Khan.
::It is Genghis. Kublai Khan's picture is in Khublai Khan. Thanks for the comment though. 71.56.208.91 16:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Genghis Khan 

message: I'm kind of afraid that this article starts to get tilted to the west. Much balanced sections were removed and replaced with killings and rapes. This is unfair and should be balanced. If you are gonna say somethinga about rape and eating people, you should also include some other positive stuff with it. Some of the section were removed that balanced this article. So be very careful when you change stuff. If you don't know much about the history, please don't write it into the article instead type it in here and we will edit it and insert it into the article. 
Thank you very much!!!
71.56.208.91 19:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afraid of this article being a western gibberish

message: I'm wondering what religion he was. I'm thinking he was a polytheistic but he might as well have been Buddhist or Ancestral Worshiper.
I think he believes in Mongolian traditional religious beliefs, but I don't think he is that pious...he uses religion for his own gain.
:: He seems to be shamanistic, which is the traditional religion of the Mongols and many other during the time. Because of the religious tolerance, many religion flourished and many people worshipped all different kinds of religion. In the Mongol capital, there are pictures and drawing based upon other some kind of sources that we see angel fountain in the Mongol capital Kharakhorum right in front of the imperial palace. We see angel with wings blowing a horn or something like that on top of the fountain and water coming down. So I would say shamanism and he seemed to try to extend his life by consulting with Chinese monks and other people that does Chinese stuff like Taoism, buddhism, confucious stuff. He wasn't really hardcore into one religion, and that's why he is the man! 71.56.208.91 00:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Khan's Religion

message: I added the extra information from /temp. I don't want people to careleslly delete these paragraphs. Someone please copy edit it and make it not sound like one sided, but that doesn't mean make him look like a cannibal and tended toward the west. 67.190.91.8 00:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Added paragraphs from /temp

message: Again, it is a fascinating story, well-told. I have left in the requests for citations and supporting information inserted by others: these latter folks are not necessarily challenging the account here -- they may be -- but their appeal for "authorities", sincere or not, would interest me and others as well. The role of women, for example, in Genghis' life: you say he consulted them about warfare... it would be very interesting to know what evidence we have for this. Also the other questions asked by others. Excellent & compelling & much-needed article.
--Kessler 23:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  another full edit completed... 

message: The missing text was there all the time, only rendered invisible on the page by an unclosed HTML tag. Please see this fuller explanation on WP:AN. Bishonen | talk 23:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Not disappeared, only invisible

message: Let's leave the essential subject tag for a little more while and let's see what edit and how much edit can be done on this article, because if we take it out this article won't be edited much. I want it to reach the quality of Napoleon not the same quantity though. Constant improvement is necessary. A lot more comprehensive copyedit, resentencing, moving stuff deleting stuff, messing with it tremendously will help this article. Small copy edits are ok, but it's not helping the article in terms of content and delivery wise. 67.190.113.165 09:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Essential subject tag

message: Am I just blind or did the reference to the meaning of the name Temujin disappear?
Dietwald 19:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Name 

message: Is it worth mentioning some of the research about this topic?  For example,
http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20030205-100301-1566r
Ff123 20:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know if this is another bs that people write out on the web and pretend that it happened. Personally I'm kinda skeptical about writing this into the article at the present moment. I would almost totally support writing a paragraph about it at the end of the article if it comes from a university source, for example like from a ".edu" domain. It would be more helpful if it was from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and such. At this point I think this is just someone saying and talking sh**. I might disagree with others, but university sources and actual professor interviews and credible sources will help. Instinctively, that whole article is pretty funny and makes me laugh. What evidence, source? What DNA, how and why? How did that happen, and even if it happened? how do you know it was him, how did you pinpoint to one person. Is it mostly an assertion or hypothesis, because it looks like one. Science requires basically taking Genghis Khan's DNA and comparing it with 5 or 6 million people that it says are descended from him? That would be an evidence and until then it's nothing in the scientific community. 67.190.113.165 11:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is the original article from the American Journal of Human Genetics:  http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v72n3/024530/024530.html Ff123 02:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it even has the print citation info right at the top.  Perfect. siafu 03:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNA Legacy 

message: China clearly had more than 80 million people before the Mongol conquest.  There is only one good work on this: Ho Ping-ti. 1970. "An estimate of the total population of Sung-Chin China". Études Song in memoriam Étienne Balázs, ed. F. Aubin. First Series, 1:33-53.  He takes a slightly lower figure of at least 110 million, but going on average household size, 120 million is probably about right.  As for the apologies for the fascist regimes, where do I start?  Genghiz had no idea of or interest in democracy.  The rest is speculation and if I am not mistaken, apologising for the Fascists.  There is no purpose keeping it in. Lao Wai 15:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: Why did you remove the passage? It was backed by several internet sources, and is strongly supported by the Modern World book as a paper source.--Gary123 16:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GK probably never heard the words democracy.  He certainly gave no signs of wishing to implement it.  I will agree modern Mongol scholars have problems integrating their national hero with half-decent values, but as this is fictional, hypothetical and mostly about how modern Mongols interpret the past, it has no relevance to this article.  Is it about GK?  No it is about how some modern people like to think of him. Lao Wai 16:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genghis Kahan and Democracy

message: He was only a youngster when his mom saw something wrong with him. He was getting horny when he saw a guy walk by. He started to bacome a homosexual. So his mom brought a teen age girl from the local school home. She forced her to get undressed in fornt of Genghis. And genghis liked. Since he was the same age as her he got very attracted. That is the first time he had sex
I think this is one of the cutest vandalisms i see in wikipedia. Kudo to the person (most likely a school kid) that wrote this. Cute one :-) 67.190.113.165 00:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism