Talk:List of Hasidic dynasties and groups

message: In order to maintain a standard naming format for all these Hasidic groups, add (Hasidic dynasty) to each name so that it will be clear what the subject is. For example: "Nadvorna" is now Nadvorna (Hasidic dynasty), "Belz" is Belz (Hasidic dynasty) etc. IZAK 08:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Use (Hasidic dynasty) to standardize naming of groups

message: Why does this article not explain what is meant by a "Hasidic dynasty"? - Nat Krause 05:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Explained in seperate article: Hasidic dynasty. -- -- --  00:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

text: P.S. Hasidic dynasty has since been redirected to this article, which now does explain the definition of "Hasidic dynasty". -- -- -- 02:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: Is this entry correct? Rmhermen 14:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - I know the Pittsburger Rebbe personally - however I have never heard of the Philadelphia dynasty Itzik18 17:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pittsburgh?

message: This has just been added (in the wriong place). Has anyone heard of such a dynasty?   Redaktor 09:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pishkivitcha has since been removed by  (20:01, 12 September 2012). -- -- -- 05:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pishkivitcha

message: I changed the name Toldos Aharon to Shomer Emunim in the larger dynasties list.  I did so because that change accurately reflects the fact that TA is an offshoot of the Chassidus started by R' Aharon Roth, Admur M'Shomer Emunim ztzl. In sheer numbers, Toldos Aharon is the largest group of Chassidim that trace themselves to R' Aharon. However, it would be unrealistic to give the name "Shomer Emunim" a place only secondary to the more modern name "Toldos Aharon."
Furthermore, the article that was previously called Toldos Aharon really covered all three groups, Shomer Emunim, Toldos Aharon, and Toldos Avraham Yitzchak.
--Meshulam 19:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Toldos Aharon to Shomer Emunim 

message: Satmar (from Satu Mare, Romania) Hasidic group has only 120,000 followers.
Why in the "Dominant Hasidic groups (arranged by estimated size)" it’s listed first?
Chabad Lubavitch (from Liubavichy, Belarus) group has 200,000 followers, so Ger ((from Góra Kalwaria, Poland) group has 200,000 followers as well.
Ira (Eliyahu)
Chabad Lubavitch (from Liubavichy, Belarus) group has about 200,000 followers.
Ger (from Góra Kalwaria, Poland) group has about 200,000 followers as well.
Satmar (from Satu Mare, Romania) group has only 120,000 followers.
Why then in the "Dominant Hasidic groups (arranged by estimated size)" Satmar (from Satu Mare, Romania) Hasidic group is listed first?
Ira (Eliyahu)
09.05.06 5:26pm EST
*These figues are nonsense. They do not have these numbers. Drop one zero from each group and you have the truer number! IZAK 07:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Hasidic dynasties (comment) 

message: Wrong link.Xx236 15:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted Litchek (non-existent) --Redaktor 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He exists - I've seen him, his family name is Bernstein and he lives in Jerusalem. His wife is the Spinka (Kahana) Rebbe of Jerusalem's daughter. Definitely in the less-than-five-of-fifteen-Chasidim category. Though he named himself for a historic ancestor of his - "Reb Shaul of Litshik" - maybe he had a notable dynasty? I have never heard of him. Ratzd'mishukribo (talk) 12:13, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucy 

message: I removed it once, but it was reverted back. See the comment on  this page for a reason why it should be the way I originally had it set up. There is no single Medzhibozh dynasty. It is all mixed up by various claims from various families.--Klezmer 03:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If what I'm saying is not factual, please provide the evidence, ChosidFrumBirth. I'm tired of being the only one here who gives original sources. Prove what you say is true! --Klezmer 15:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a fight or competition.  And it's not a debate over what is a dynasty or isn't.  It also isn't a discussion over the so-called scholars or what is proof.  The fact is there is a lineage and descendants of Rabbi Boruch who continued whatever it was that you say Boruch was or wasn't.  Period.  Apt isn't Medzhibozh and Medzhibozh isn't Apt, so give it a rest. --ChosidFrumBirth 17:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see proof and I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation. If you are promoting what you believe are facts, prove it! I can tell you this... Tzvi M. Rabinowicz, 1996, The Encyclopedia of Hasidism, Jason Aronson, provides no such evidence. Most researchers in this subject consider the Rabinowicz source a fair, even-handed treatment of the subject. Moreover, it was always considered one of the most complete sources on this type of material. What it does say is that the Zvill/Goldman Rabbinic family was descended from the Baal Shem Tov spiritual heritage through R. Yekhiel Mikhel, which gives it the Mezhbizh connection. However, none of the Goldman bios listed in Rabinowicz was born or lived in Medzhibozh. Including - R. Yaakov Yisroel of Zvil (born in Zvil according to Rabinowicz, p. 154! No surprise there.)  The Zviller Dynasty is represented in the Chasidic Dynasty charts I provided on this page, so no need for R. Boruch's so-called dynasty. Also, see Zvil Dynasty page. There is no reference to R. Mordechai of Medzhibozh as the father of R. Yekhiel Mikhiel of Zvil. R. Mordechai is of Zvil by both Rabinowicz and the Zvil Dynasty page. No document that I am aware of shows that either one had ever lived in Medzhibozh. If what you say is true, I'd like to see the proof. No such documents I've seen about Medzhibozh mentions this. If so, you've stumbled onto something new. --Klezmer 04:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Can you please keep this in just one place.  What you are saying means that the Medzhibozh dynasty doesn't exist and if so the whole article should be deleted.  that was already discussed and it was decided that it should stay.  there is good information there, and discussing whether it should be referred to as a dynasty or not or referenced elsewhere doesn't help so can't we just move on.  --ChosidFrumBirth 13:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medzhibozh Dynasties - need to be removed 

message: There is a dispute about what qualifies as a Hasidic dynasty. This is particularly focused on whether or not R. Boruch of Medzhibozh left a "Medzhibozh Hasidic dynasty" or not. --Klezmer 03:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary of dispute

message: ChasidFrumBirth claims that heresay evidence and evidence from Alfasi's web page is good enough evidence to claim that R. Boruch left a dynasty. Klezmer claims that multiple sources from key books (which he provided) have no such evidence and contradictory evidence. Klezmer further asks that someone provide better references, which so far no one has. ChasidFrumBirth and Klezmer has participated in more than 3 undos of each other's work. --Klezmer 03:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statements from editors

message: This dispute mainly affects three Wiki pages: 
*List of Hasidic dynasties
*Baal Shem Tov
*Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)
Also see the discussions located here for complete detailed statements by editors:
*Talk:List of Hasidic dynasties#Medzhibozh Dynasties - need to be removed
*Talk:Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)
For the sake of this dispute, let's keep the discussion within this page as a central source.
--Klezmer 03:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Which pages does this affect?

message: A number of towns in this article are identified by country. In some cases two countries are shown—then and now. I don't see much merit in this information. Does it really matter whether a town was in Poland, Lithuania, Turkey, Russia or Ukraine?  All this information is available in full detail on the town page, which should be linked from here. Country names are too variable, with changes in jurisdiction which have no bearing on this topic. I propose that we delete all country names from this article?--Redaktor 14:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country identification 

message: A long-simmering editorial dispute between  and  over how to deal with information about certain Hasidic topics has reached the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. Please see and provide any helpful input at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty). Thank you, IZAK 16:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty) at Mediation Cabal 

message: While for medium to larger dynasties this list does not references, especially if there is a wikipedia article, references for smaller ones is a must, per major wikipedia:Verifiability rule. Please provide references and minimal information. `'Miikka 03:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I can find no references for such a Hasidut. Is this a hoax? Also, the way the list is designed, a Hasidut belongs only in one column. If it is the alphabetized list, it does not belong in the "smaller dynasties" list. Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Woodstocke Hasidim??

message: Contrary to the idiot Israeli highjackers of the Ukranian (Russian) Chassidus called BRESLOV, the name is BRESLOV, not Breslev. This is clear from not only the mesorah but from the vowelization (nikud) in Lashon Hakodesh (not Israeli "Hebrew," you stupid idiots!)
This has to be fixed all over wikipedia. Just because some idiot Israelis and lost Sefaradim decided to highjack one of the oldest Chassidic traditions doesn't make them right. The Chassidus and the spelling of BRESLOV both preexisted modern Israeli "Hebrew" and it is inappropriate to transliterate the original word BRESLOV into English by way of modern Israeli "Hebrew."
The Rebbe (Rebbe Nachman of BRESLOV) warned the faithful Jews against the evil, heretical Zionists at the start of their evil movement. It is unacceptable for the Israeli highjackers to try to pervert the name of the town made holy by the Rebbe and the mesirus nefesh (self sacrifice) of the BRESLOVER Chassidim. The Rebbe's name is Nachman, don't try to transliterate it like an Arab or Sefaradi or idiot Israeli. You have no connection to the Rebbe!
My family is BRESLOV back to the beginning. We lived in that area of Russia and we know how to pronounce it.77.125.2.98 (talk) 12:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breslov, not Breslev 

message: I revered this edit by ---- to move the lead to a new article. This makes no sense.  The article Hasidic Judaism already covers the subject. The present lead is a common introduction for list-articles of this type, and is also necessary to highlight Hasidic groups that do or do not fall into the category of "dynasty". Yoninah (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

message: An added column for the amount of followers for each dynasty, would add a lot to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.87.30 (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The only problem is there are no definitive numbers. Yoninah (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amount of follower 

message: An IP has made extensive edits (e.g. ) to this page indicating country changes. I think this is incredibly confusing and unnecessary. The city names are linked; if someone wants to know what country they're in, in 2017, they can click on the city. It's obvious that these Chassiduts all started in prewar Europe, before WWI and WW2 borders. Yoninah (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the edits. Yoninah (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Now we're here

message: Shouldn't Vizhnitz be separated in two - Vizhnitz Bnei Brak and Vizhnitz Monsey?
--תנא קמא (talk) 12:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vizhnitz and Viznitz 

message: the link Zenta is to the town, which says nothing about a Hassidut.--2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:C87:9B39:6009:E606 (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks, -- -- -- 06:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zenta 

message: The list claims to mention only the founder in one column and the current or last Rebbe in another. Nevertheless I sometimes see several or even many names in the "Current (or last) Rebbe" column", e.g. Vizhnitz, Boston, Spinka, Zvhil. By the way, Zvhil has a new rebbe. Nadvorna simply has "several", while I think we should list them by name and town, as is the custom for Nadvorna, analogously to Novominsk. Debresser (talk) 12:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current rebbe