Talk:Yodeling

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What does the above mean? Hyacinth 00:09, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has content that would be useful at WP's sister project, Wiktionary (indeed it was requested). Therefore, the text and page history now exists at Transwiki:Yodeling, which is a transitional page before it is formatted for a dictionary entry on Wiktionary. As this page is clearly encyclopedic as well as giving a dictionary defintion of yodeling, I am removing the notice here so it will not be listed for deletion.--Dmcdevit 01:20, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Transwikied

message: another loada bull,"the" yodel as heard in country music was born out of the morris dance, a folk music from abbots bromley, in the olden england. ya can still hear it sometimes, some country artists do it to give it some spice.
Unfortunately, the author displays a lack of understanding of both vocalic function ("chest voice, " or "voce di petto", and "head voice", or "voce di testa", are vocal registers distinct from "falsetto", the entirely different means of vocal production employed in yodeling which gives is its distinctive sound) and the common use of yodeling in contemporary popular music (e.g. Jeff Buckley, pj harvey, Frou Frou, and many others). I would strongly dispute the validity and usefulness of this article. cf. Miller, García, et al. [remededefortune]
I concur, it seems like yodelers use head voice to me. However, neither claims have been backed up with citations - I shall change it to 'falsetto or head voice"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.224.187 (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins, head voice

message: Of all the people who are known for yodeling, Taylor Ware gets a mention?  Are her 15 minutes of fame seriously worth putting in this article?     Arx Fortis 22:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taylor Ware??? 

message: So I probably should've looked at the history before I added my contribution from the Sound of Music. I see that someone keeps deleting most of the examples, including a much better version of my contribution. Why? Is there a need to call for a lockdown? Nerwen 07:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: All right, I restored the last good copy before all the pointless vandal edit wars, and then incorporated the good bits from the most recent version. Should be all good now and hopefully the random vandalism has passed. Nerwen 08:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted copyvio blatant advertising pasted from www.cdbaby.com/cd/mikejohnson. Who is this Mike Johnson anyway? He doesn't seem to be Michael Johnson (singer).--Shantavira|feed me 12:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What's with the edit war over the examples?

message: Doo-wop? What does doo-wop have to do with yodelling (in preference to, say, rock or country?) I wasn't aware that yodelling formed a huge part in doo-wop. Perhaps I have lead too sheltered a life! Slothie 14:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Beats me. I know nothing about yodelling, I'm just here to guard the article against blatant vandalism. Feel free to remove if you know better. ;) Nerwen 04:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: See Also

message: technique & history, less examples.--68.56.17.70 (talk) 04:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More

message: ===Examples===
*Yodeling was a pa rt of country and western music from its beginning. Jimmie Rodgers recorded more than a dozen songs under the title "Blue Yodel" with an appended number, and the The Carter Family recorded a few yodeling numbers as well. Other country and western yodeling singers include Rusty & Tania, Elton Britt, Wilf Carter, Yodelin' Slim Clark, Slim Whitman, the Belgian entertainer Bobbejaan Schoepen, Patsy Montana, Doug Green, Wylie Gustafson and in early pre-rock and roll recordings by Bill Haley. The Band used yodeling in "Up On Cripple Creek".  Gene Autry was another country-style yodeler. Hank Williams yodels the word "Blues" in  Lovesick Blues. An UK example of this style was the Glasgow-born Karl Denver; the style can be heard in Frank Ifield's version of Johnny Mercer's "I Remember You."
*Alpine yodeling can be heard in the songs of Franzl Lang, Stefanie Hertel, Zillertaler Schürzenjäger, Ursprung Buam, Harry Torrani, and Mary Schneider.
*Yodeling is less often heard in pop music and rock. One of the most famous examples of yodeling in popular music is "Hocus Pocus" by the Dutch rock group Focus. Jewel is another example, and while she does not truly yodel in her commercial music, her proficiency contributes to her vocal style, which features fast transitions between her head voice and chest voice. Canadian singer Sarah McLachlan also uses quick transitions between her head and chest voice.  More recently, Shakira has featured similar vocal stylings in some of her songs. 
*The Sound of Music by Rodgers and Hammerstein contains a yodelling song, "The Lonely Goatherd", in which Mary Martin yodelled to good effect in the original production on Broadway in 1959. Gwen Stefani also put herself to the task of yodeling "The Lonely Goatherd" at the beginning of her 2006 single, "Wind It Up".
*R&B singers Mariah Carey and Beyonce Knowles often use yodelling to great effect in their music, as does French Canadian singing diva Céline Dion.
*The Moody Blues use yodeling to a lesser extent in their song "Your Wildest Dreams."
*Irish singer Dolores O'Riordan is renowned for her yodelling particularly in tracks such as "Dreams", one of several Riordan-penned singles from the double platinum album Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? by The Cranberries.
*Soul singer Aaron Neville was inspired by Gene Autry's yodelling to develop his unusual vibrato singing style.  
* The late Indian singer, actor, and composer Kishore Kumar was the best-known yodeller in Bollywood cinema. Some of his best examples include the songs "Main Hoon Jhumroo," "Thandi Hawa Yeh Chandni Suhani," "Zindagi Ek Safar Hai Suhana," and "Chala Jata Hoon."
*In the Tamil film world, talented comedian and singer Chandrababu yodelled in some of his songs.
*Taylor Ware competed on the television talent show America's Got Talent with singing and yodelling.
*The lead vocalist for American electro-punk band the Epoxies is known for her yodeling in a lot of their songs..
*Linda Ronstadt used the yodeling technique with the final note of Blue Bayou
*Mike Johnson is country music's most famous black yodeler. Performing since the 1960s, he has written more yodeling songs than anyone. He is one of 18 world famous yodelers on Bart Plantenga's 2004 "Rough Guide To Yodel" CD released by the World Music Network in London, England. In March 2007 his Yodel Song Archives, containing 114 of his yodeling compositions, and related material, were inducted into the Recorded Sound Reference Center's permanent music collection at the Library.
*A German-language numbers station of the 1970s (known as the "Tyrolean Music Station" or by the ENIGMA identifier G1) used a variety of yodeling songs as its interval signal.
*The above content is unreferenced, random, and is just creating an unmanageable list of WP:Trivia, if someone can fix it, then by all means add it back. -- GateKeeper(X) @      22:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: *Yodeling was a pa rt of country and western music from its beginning. Jimmie Rodgers recorded more than a dozen songs under the title "Blue Yodel" with an appended number, and the The Carter Family recorded a few yodeling numbers as well. Other country and western yodeling singers include Rusty & Tania, Elton Britt, Wilf Carter, Yodelin' Slim Clark, Slim Whitman, the Belgian entertainer Bobbejaan Schoepen, Patsy Montana, Doug Green, Wylie Gustafson and in early pre-rock and roll recordings by Bill Haley. The Band used yodeling in "Up On Cripple Creek".  Gene Autry was another country-style yodeler. Hank Williams yodels the word "Blues" in  Lovesick Blues. An UK example of this style was the Glasgow-born Karl Denver; the style can be heard in Frank Ifield's version of Johnny Mercer's "I Remember You."
*Alpine yodeling can be heard in the songs of Franzl Lang, Stefanie Hertel, Zillertaler Schürzenjäger, Ursprung Buam, Harry Torrani, and Mary Schneider.
*Yodeling is less often heard in pop music and rock. One of the most famous examples of yodeling in popular music is "Hocus Pocus" by the Dutch rock group Focus. Jewel is another example, and while she does not truly yodel in her commercial music, her proficiency contributes to her vocal style, which features fast transitions between her head voice and chest voice. Canadian singer Sarah McLachlan also uses quick transitions between her head and chest voice.  More recently, Shakira has featured similar vocal stylings in some of her songs. 
*The Sound of Music by Rodgers and Hammerstein contains a yodelling song, "The Lonely Goatherd", in which Mary Martin yodelled to good effect in the original production on Broadway in 1959. Gwen Stefani also put herself to the task of yodeling "The Lonely Goatherd" at the beginning of her 2006 single, "Wind It Up".
*R&B singers Mariah Carey and Beyonce Knowles often use yodelling to great effect in their music, as does French Canadian singing diva Céline Dion.
*The Moody Blues use yodeling to a lesser extent in their song "Your Wildest Dreams."
*Irish singer Dolores O'Riordan is renowned for her yodelling particularly in tracks such as "Dreams", one of several Riordan-penned singles from the double platinum album Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? by The Cranberries.
*Soul singer Aaron Neville was inspired by Gene Autry's yodelling to develop his unusual vibrato singing style.  
* The late Indian singer, actor, and composer Kishore Kumar was the best-known yodeller in Bollywood cinema. Some of his best examples include the songs "Main Hoon Jhumroo," "Thandi Hawa Yeh Chandni Suhani," "Zindagi Ek Safar Hai Suhana," and "Chala Jata Hoon."
*In the Tamil film world, talented comedian and singer Chandrababu yodelled in some of his songs.
*Taylor Ware competed on the television talent show America's Got Talent with singing and yodelling.
*The lead vocalist for American electro-punk band the Epoxies is known for her yodeling in a lot of their songs..
*Linda Ronstadt used the yodeling technique with the final note of Blue Bayou
*Mike Johnson is country music's most famous black yodeler. Performing since the 1960s, he has written more yodeling songs than anyone. He is one of 18 world famous yodelers on Bart Plantenga's 2004 "Rough Guide To Yodel" CD released by the World Music Network in London, England. In March 2007 his Yodel Song Archives, containing 114 of his yodeling compositions, and related material, were inducted into the Recorded Sound Reference Center's permanent music collection at the Library.
*A German-language numbers station of the 1970s (known as the "Tyrolean Music Station" or by the ENIGMA identifier G1) used a variety of yodeling songs as its interval signal.</div>
*The above content is unreferenced, random, and is just creating an unmanageable list of WP:Trivia, if someone can fix it, then by all means add it back. -- GateKeeper(X) @      22:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: This article just screams for an audio sample.  Is Jewel a Wikipedia user?  We need a sample! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 16:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs sample

message: The only reference in this article seems like an advertisement more than an informational source. I'll try giving this article some proper citations tomorrow, but for now I'm going to change the citation template as the sole reference is lacking. DefenseSupportParty (talk) 08:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The article is way too focused on the US and looks like some kind of American Wikipedia. It almost sounds as if yodeling were an american invention. My impression is that in Europe nobody has heard of American yodeling but only of yodeling from the German speaking parts of the Alps, which may explain the lack of European material in the article as English is not widely used in the German speaking countries. It would however be great if someone could write something on Swiss and Austrian yodeling.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.199.253.230 (talk) 18:45, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I would care to see it split.  Looking at other countries versions of this article, it seems to me that I am not making this one too American at all.  Since the Americans transformed the basic Austrian yodel into a blues, cowboy, "hillbilly", and other types of yodel it is reasonable that I would have covered that with as much information as I could find.  I also added info from Australia - as much as I could find - since I came to understand that it's popular Down Under.  I found this article:  and will see if there is anything and will continue to look for added info, but for now I am satisfied. Gandydancer (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Too American

message: According to the Pygmy peoples article, "The term "pygmy" is sometimes considered pejorative. However, there is no single term to replace it. Many prefer to be identified by their ethnicity, such as the Aka (Mbenga), Baka, Mbuti, and Twa. The term Bayaka, the plural form of the Aka/Yaka, is sometimes used in the Central African Republic to refer to all local pygmies." This article specifically refers to Central Africa, so is it appropriate to replace Pygmy with Bayaka? (I don't know the answer - I'm just concerned about the use of a term that can be pejorative if there's a less offensive word available.) --Northernhenge (talk) 21:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the various Pygmy-related articles, it seems that we are freely using the term.  I tend to think that it's OK, but I certainly am open to further discussion.  Gandydancer (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

text: The link to Pygmy music seems like a really good solution. Well spotted! --Northernhenge (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pygmy singers in Central Africa 

message: I was about to add some Alpine yodelers who are notable because they already have Wikipedia articles. Then I noticed "Alpine yodeling can be heard in the songs of Franzl Lang, Stefanie Hertel, Zillertaler Schürzenjäger, Ursprung Buam, Harry Torrani, and Mary Schneider" had been deleted in 2008 (moved to the talk page) because "The above content is unreferenced, random, and is just creating an unmanageable list of WP:Trivia". I've added Oesch’s die Dritten because they're mentioned on the German page but what do other editors think about the others? They have pages. They yodel. Why not include them? --Northernhenge (talk) 21:51, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input.  I wrote most of this article even though I started with little knowledge about it and only found info from here and there as I went along.  Thus, it was a very hard write.  The more I read the more I realized that many sources were wrong.  There was no mention, and I had never heard, that it was the African American influence that actually produced what is now considered American yodeling.  Not that I was surprised since they are actually at the root of so much of our musical art.   I appreciate your help with this article!  Gandydancer (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I enjoyed reading the article and learned a lot from it. There's more to be said about alpine yodeling. I've discovered there are some things I like about it but I don't yet know much about it unfortunately. One thing I've noticed is that the words of a lot of yodeling songs seem to be about yodeling. It's as if the commercial end of the yodeling business is more about celebrating a tradition and less about participating in the tradition, but I really am a long way out of my depth here. I'll leave the article alone until I've though of something sensible to contribute! --Northernhenge (talk) 10:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  I think that the article is much improved with your edit that divided the large section into countries, though I did go further and give Canada its own section as well.  Gandydancer (talk) 15:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Examples" deleted in 2008 

message: I'd like to park this site here as a useful page for future edits.  I'd especially like to add some info on the Mississippi Sheiks.   (Bo Carter was from the Mississippi Sheiks.) ;-)  Gandydancer (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As a reminder to myself, or anyone that wants to help to improve this article, I'd like to include a section on Okeh Records who did so much to record Race records for those of us who enjoy reading the history of American music.  Gandydancer (talk) 18:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yodeling existed in African American life before there were recordings to capture the sound. Author John Wesley Work describes how a black man might vocalize a loud "holler" (a series of sung notes) as he was approaching the house of a friend or family member. His holler would be unique—it would identify him to those who were familiar with it. The holler was a series of notes and often included one or more yodels. Grey Gundaker and Tynes Cowan trace the practice to Central Africa, for instance to pygmy hunters who still communicate their identity and whereabouts through yodeling vocalizations. Frederick Law Olmsted heard Negro workers in South Carolina in 1855 and called their style "Negro jodling" and "the Carolina yell". The two books linked here say that the holler/yodel was worked into blues singing. There is no connection to the Alps or Swiss yodeling in these explanations of American folk music. Binksternet (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've included field holler info and info from Olmsted.  Bink, you might like to read Gandy dancer and listen to the music links provided.  The site that hosts the Gandy dancer documentary has a lot of other interesting docs as well. Re the southern hollers/Alpine yodeling, The Singing Brakeman is the connection between Alpine and American yodeling. (And blues too--his first ten yodels are named "Blue Yodel #1, #2, etc.) Jimmie Rogers was the Elvis Presley of his time.  Like Elvis, he came just when the world was ready for a revolution in music.  And they both funneled the Divine into the waiting world when they combined the best of the black and of the white. (Haha, but I actually mean that. :-) )Gandydancer (talk) 14:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I wonder what these field hollers sound like--my speakers are not working.   Gandydancer (talk) 01:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helpful site 

message: I thought I'd go through this article and make sure everyone it mentions is included in :Category:Yodelers. The first one I looked at was Riley Puckett and I immediately stopped to think again. Is being a yodeler a defining characteristic of Riley Puckett? I don't know. Should everyone mentioned on this page be categorised as a yodeler or should that be kept for musicians who are first and foremost yodelers? (I should probably have posted this on the category talk page but I expect not many people watch category talk pages.) --Northernhenge (talk) 22:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly "a defining characteristic" would be true for Puckett.  As for the list, it is my impression that that list only means that they do at least sometimes yodel.  The list if far from complete...I have little interest in lists.  Gandydancer (talk) 13:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yodelers category 

message: More sources can be found describing an African source of yodeling, as well as yodeling from other non-European places. 
*Africanisms in American Culture, p. 380. Comparing African yodeling to African-American field hollers. Debunking unnamed ethnomusicologists who say that Alpine yodeling and African yodeling are qualitatively different. (That there is no "true yodeling" different from African "falsetto leaps".) Written by John Edward Philips, his chapter named "The African Heritage of White America".
*Work Songs, page 75. Music historian Ted Gioia says that yodeling was known in the Scottish Highlands among cattle herders and cattle thieves. Yodeling was also known in the Solomon Islands. Gioia says that "Africa must take a back seat to Europe" in regard to yodeling in work songs—he does not think African yodeling was used for work songs in Africa as the inhabitants of that continent were not cattle herders.
*The Sounds of Slavery, pages 23–24. African yodeling was one element of the African-American field holler, along with melisma and chromatic slides. Lucy McKim Garrison (at the time named Lucy McKim) studied African-American field hollers and noted the yodeling within them (pages 31 and 35).
*Da Capo Best Music Writing 2006, page 94. Yodeling has been found in native cultures of Brazil's Bororo Indians, in Papua New Guinea, as well as throughout Europe.
*Yale musicologist Robert Farris Thompson is frequently quoted on the subject of yodeling in Africa. He wrote in 1993 a book titled Face of the gods: art and altars of Africa and the African Americas. I think this is the one where he traces yodeling. Binksternet (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: African yodeling

message: Made a first pass at copy-editing... learned a lot of stuff! Folks will notice that I moved "Technique" to the top, first because it's essential and quick, and second because "History" seems to belong more with the other sections". In fact, it might be advisable to reorganize these sections somehow, since there's so much overlap between "History", "Performers", and "Notable performers". (One of the sections in "History" is bracketed off for now because it seems to be directly copied from an outside website. The copying is bad and it also seems we could probably do better for sources. There's also a lot of US-centrism, although it's very clear that the story of yodeling in the U.S. has a lot of intrigue to it. Nice work so far... I had no idea yodeling was so interesting. groupuscule (talk) 23:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I so appreciate your critical eye!  This was a very hard write for me because when I started I had no idea that there are two kinds of yodels:  There is Alpine yodel and there is blue yodel.  My first searches barely hinted at the African American roots and it was not until I came across the Abott and Ser... (I forget) information that I began to understand the strong connection.  I included that long quote from their book because it is so complicated and so important that I knew no other way to say it all.  And the thing is, as far as I know they are the only ones that really get it: Once again it is the African influence that, like tap dancing, soul, and jazz, gave America a new art form.  Ideally I would have had a good book to use as a way to organize the article--but I didn't.  As such, I am aware that in some instances information seems a little out of place.  Please feel free to question anything and organize as you feel is needed.  If you have time read the talk page re US-centrism.  Gandydancer (talk) 23:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I've changed some heading levels which may help with the US-centric issue. The effect is clearest in the table of contents. I wasn't sure what to do with the "Early English yodelers" section as one of them seems to be american-style and one sems to be european-style so I just left it by itself for now. I won't object if anyone reverts the edit! --Northernhenge (talk) 21:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's better.  I moved "English" up and changed it to European.  I suppose it would be good to expand the section, but as you can see from the translated German site (above) there is not much to go with...  Do whatever you want--I'm not bashful and will certainly object if I don't like it! :-}  Gandydancer (talk) 22:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: Why NOT translate a title provided in German? Mkilby 15 Jan 2014
:I have made two attempts to provide a helpful translation to the song title "Über jedes Bacherl geht a Brückerl" cited in the article. Both were reverted by moderators. I see no reason to force the user to obtain a substandard machine translation, when it is simpler to place the words directly into the online text. Mkilby (talk) 12:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The translation does not help the reader understand yodeling. The article is about yodeling. Binksternet (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations

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message: This article ought to adopt and employ a uniform standard on the term's spelling, whether "yodeling" or "yodelling" might be preferable. A Red Cherry (talk) 05:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but what should that standard be based upon? Hyacinth (talk) 00:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of spelling consistency 

message: Here is a knock-knock joke I know of regarding the subject of this article:
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Little old lady.
Little old lady who?
Wow! I didn’t know you could yodel!
Is that relevant to the article?
Cbsteffen (talk) 02:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Knock-Knock Joke about Yodeling