Talk:Battle of Jamrud

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===Introduction===
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===The Battle===
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RASAM (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: Changed 'campain' to 'campaign'
Deleted 'for the supplies' - not necessary
Changed 'afghan' to 'Afghan'
Changed 'decission' to 'decision'
Deleted 'and stoped there feet for ever' - wrong spelling, not encylopaedic and not necessary
RASAM (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Battle

message: The Afghans declared victory after killing top commander Hari Singh Nalwa who was making threats of invading what is now Afghanistan. This is well documented. Leaving the scene of the action doesn't mean they got defeated. They had a chance to finish off all the Sikhs but ran outta ammo and supplies, and were busy fighting with the Persians in the western Afghan city of Herat and with internal fighting between each other. Their objective was to kill Hari Nalwa Singh which was accomplished.
The above is incorrect.  
Hari Singh Nalwa had captured Jamrud in late 1836. He had commenced the construction of a very strong fort at this place. Maharaja Ranjit Singh's grandson was getting married at Amritsar in March 1837. Dost Mohammad Khan knew this because he had been invited to the celebration. As far as the Afghans were concerned, Hari Singh Nalwa was away to attend the wedding at Amritsar and only a skeletal force of the Sikhs was present along the north west frontier. Most of the troops were assembled in Amritsar. Had the Afghans known of Hari Singh's presence in Peshawar, they would never have come down the mountains. The main objective of the Afghans was to push the Sikhs back across the Indus. They came to take Jamrud and their (lost) winter capital of Peshawar. They achieved NONE of their stated objectives. Akbar Khan was facilitated by his father Dost Mohammad Khan because he had come back alive (being the son of the favourite wife)...it had NOTHING to do with the death of Hari Singh Nalwa.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runjeet (talk • contribs) 08:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Afghan victory

message: Their is no doubt that the Afghans had a chance to finish off all the Sikhs but ran outta ammo and supplies, and were busy fighting with the Persians in the western Afghan city of Herat and with internal fighting between each other. Their objective was to kill Hari Nalwa Singh which was accomplished.--(talk/ Shahzadapashtun) 09:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see more sources for this battle. The death of Hari Singh would have been seen as an achievement, though raising the siege of the fort could be construed as a defeat. More sources should shed some light on this.  --Defensor Ursa 03:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There have s been a lot of changes made here with no discussion, apart from the cursory two entries above. Diffs such as this one really need discussing here (and that was not, by the way, reverting vandalism...) I'm not picking on that particular editor - everyone who has made large, frequent and undiscussed changes here shares the blame. Please start discussing things here and not via your edit summaries! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 10:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Afghans Official victory

message: Seeing as the edit warring has started up again, I've just protected the article for a month. Please make use of the dispute resolution process to reach agreement on what text to include. I was strongly tempted to just block the two editors who reverted, but am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Nick-D (talk) 01:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick-D, I think the dispute resolution is not needed. It is perfectly understood in the West that the Afghans defeated the invading Sikhs in this battle but failed to completely finish off the Sikhs or take the fort where the Sikhs were all hiding. Sikh nationalists may not agree with this but Wikipedia should avoid putting Sikh victory in this article.--182.177.79.242 (talk) 13:06, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, your own "western source" contradicts your position of afghan victory writing instead that the sikhs won the battle. Also, did you read any of the sources?--they are all in agreement that it was the afghans who invaded sikh controlled territory, not the other way around. That is why the sikhs were defenders at jamrud. That is what the battle was about. The afghans failed to take the fort, that's why our sources argue that the sikhs won the battle. Devanampriya (talk) 22:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

text: has kindly pointed out that somehow I failed to protect the page when I thought I had... It's now fully protected for a month. Nick-D (talk) 07:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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message: Hi everyone, 
More Reliable Sources
*Great Powers and Little Wars: The Limits of Power, By A. Hamish Ion and Elizabeth Jane Errington, Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data, Pg44, "The second was Peshawar, which controlled the entry to the Khyber Pass and had been seized in 1834 by Ranjit Singh from Dost Mohammed, Who tried in 1837 to get it back but lost his chance at the Battle of Jamrud.
*Ranjit Singh, by Khushwant Singh, First published by George Allen and edited by Khushwant Singh, pg228, He ordered his officers to keep his death a secret until the troops had driven the Afghans beyond the Khyber Pass. This the Punjabis did with great vigour. Although the Afghans had to give up their plan to recapture Peshawar and Shabkadar and had been forced to retreat ignominiously.... Thanks Theman244 (talk) 01:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Jamrud- Sikh Victory 

message: Sir please rewrite the article. Sources clearly state that it was a Sikh victory... 1.^ Paddy Docherty (2007). The Khyber Pass: A History of Empire and Invasion. Faber and Faber. pp. 186–187. . Retrieved 16 August 2013.
2.^ Maharaja Ranjit Singh: A short life sketch, Ganda Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh: First Death Centenary Memorial, (Nirmal Publishers, 1986), 43.[1]
3.^ Maharaja Ranjit Singh: A short life sketch, Ganda Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh: First Death Centenary Memorial, 43.[2]
4.^ http://www.harisinghnalwa.com/index.html
5.^ The Encyclopedia of Nineteenth-century Land Warfare: An Illustrated World View, by Byron Farwell Published by W.W. Norton, 2001. , .
6.^ Chief and families of Note in Punjab, Vol II, op.cit., pp. 87,89,90
7.^ NAI/fpc 1-5-1837:53 quoted in Nalwa,V. 2009. Hari Singh Nalwa - Champion of the Khalsaji, New Delhi: Manohar, p. 318.
8.^ The Sikhs and Afghans, in Connexion with India and Persia, immediately before and after the death of Ranjeet Singh: From the journal of an expedition to Kabul through the Panjab and the Khaibar Pass By Shahāmat ʻAlī, Published by J. Murray, 1847
9.^ Gazetteer of the Peshawar District 1897-8, revised edition, Lahore: Punjab Government, p. 74.
please do right editing on the articleChotaaman (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: 1.^ Paddy Docherty (2007). The Khyber Pass: A History of Empire and Invasion. Faber and Faber. pp. 186–187. . Retrieved 16 August 2013.
2.^ Maharaja Ranjit Singh: A short life sketch, Ganda Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh: First Death Centenary Memorial, (Nirmal Publishers, 1986), 43.[1]
3.^ Maharaja Ranjit Singh: A short life sketch, Ganda Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh: First Death Centenary Memorial, 43.[2]
4.^ http://www.harisinghnalwa.com/index.html
5.^ The Encyclopedia of Nineteenth-century Land Warfare: An Illustrated World View, by Byron Farwell Published by W.W. Norton, 2001. , .
6.^ Chief and families of Note in Punjab, Vol II, op.cit., pp. 87,89,90
7.^ NAI/fpc 1-5-1837:53 quoted in Nalwa,V. 2009. Hari Singh Nalwa - Champion of the Khalsaji, New Delhi: Manohar, p. 318.
8.^ The Sikhs and Afghans, in Connexion with India and Persia, immediately before and after the death of Ranjeet Singh: From the journal of an expedition to Kabul through the Panjab and the Khaibar Pass By Shahāmat ʻAlī, Published by J. Murray, 1847
9.^ Gazetteer of the Peshawar District 1897-8, revised edition, Lahore: Punjab Government, p. 74..
sir please protect this source  because someone is using fake accounts to degrading the quality of the article Chotaaman (talk) 10:06, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: (talk) 04:24, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction in the result of the battle

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Madhyapak (talk) 10:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Why does the header say disputed in terms of victory? The Afghans won this battle. Akmal94 (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed? 

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message: Khushwant Singh does not appear to be an historian, therefore he can not be a reliable source for Wikipedia. Singh had a degree in law, I see nothing that shows his specialization in this time period or area. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khushwant Singh 

message: I have restored the stable version of this article, as recent changes do not seem to be an improvement. Minor figures are listed as leaders. The Sikh side is given implausible numbers of troops (hundreds of thousands). Spelling errors. Please explain on talk your changes. Eostrix (talk) 11:03, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are no source(s) for the figures, then the figures should not be in the article or infobox. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes to infobox 

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thread_title:  Comments not consistent with references 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Battle of Jamrod. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 20#Battle of Jamrod until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Steel1943 (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Battle of Jamrod" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: These commanders are in the infobox:
*Akbar Khan
*Afzal Khan
*Mirza Sami Khan
*Josiah Harlan
*Mahan Singh Mirpuri
*Mangal Singh Ramgarhia
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thread_title:  Commanders listed in Infobox