Talk:Edge of Sanity

message: It's a no-brainer that Opeth be included: Dan Swano is very close to the band, including production of many of their albums, and Mikael Akerfeldt participated in EoS albums Crimson (as Guitar/Vocals) and wrote lyrics on Infernal. --Danteferno (talk) 17:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that I couldn't respond sooner but I've been busy this week. The thing is Michael is not an official member of Edge of Sanity and associated acts was meant for members of the band (in this case two or more) shown here. Since the fact that Akerfeldt a) isn't even an official member and was only a guest musician and b) Akerfeldt only contributed to lyrics on one song and was a guest musician on one album for a few songs. If we go by this then think of a project that has many contributions from musicians and some guested a few times on one album or a few songs, there would be just way too much to list and then would need to be trimmed down of the "less important members". I would have to research a lot more on Katatonia and Bloodbath because I don't exactly know them well or how much of the members contributed or the amount of crossover between acts. If it is similar to Akerfeldt or even less, maybe they can be removed. Also, I never knew that Dan Swano was a producer on two Opeth releases so I learned something there. I'm not sure that two is that many though. On Opeth, Porcupine Tree was considered to be removed because Steven Wilson wasn't a member but he had more than enough contributions to the band (was the producer on three and contributed to two of the albums - though I'm sure you know this) that he was agreed upon to be added. FireCrystal (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, Akerfeldt contributed vocals/guitar on ALL of "Crimson" (it was one song, but also a full concept album). You add on the fact Akerfeldt wrote lyrics in a song on another EoS album, and this might fall under Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together - maybe. I guess it really depends how strictly one interprets this guideline. How about just put "Mikael Akerfeldt" as an associated act? When all is said and done, there's probably going to be no more "associated artists" on the Edge of Sanity page. In fact, there's going to be no more "associated artists" on any other metal band page. Why did the EoS page get your attention in particular?--Danteferno (talk) 20:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe I forgot that Crimson was the concept album, so sorry about that and it was the entire album (or song in this case). I'm not sure how much of that album Akerfeldt is actually playing though. The first part of "Other acts..." mentions that the collaboration is on multiple occasions though the album bit is all to interpretation, such as: The member from another band played on the album, the band were on a split album together, or that the the first part of the sentence goes into the next about the album - referring to multiple albums, etc. The single song that he wrote lyrics for could also go against the second to last of what not to include "One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song" which is for that album in particular but I think it is actually for the one song collaborations which would make sense. I don't think the "Associated acts" parameter guidelines were finished as there are still many perplexities and loop-holes in between what is said on the inclusion of bands and as you said: the interpretation of the guideline. My opinion is that Opeth are "on the fence" for adding into associated acts but I'll let this slip for now, though you may find someone that are on my side and would remove them in the future. Well, it was on my watchlist but other than that may I ask why you asked? FireCrystal (talk) 20:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Opeth]] inclusion as "associated artists"