Talk:Eduardo Montealegre/Archive 1

message: I have heard this guy talk on the television, he only talks about how he is going to stop corruption, without properly adressing allegations that he has been involved in corruption scandals in the many years he was suckling the government teat at the rate of five thousand dollars a month plus benefits.
I have heard talk as well, and I believe he mentioned something concerning Ethanol, thus, your allegation that he "only talks about...stop corruption" sound a bit POV.  Also, does anyone know the year he was graduated by Brown and Harvard.  Better yet, where did you get that information??
Brusegadi 03:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1

message: I find some of the edits done by Pancho Pueblo to be rather strange.  I will assume good faith, since it is wikipedia policy.  I have reverted the changes made by him because:
1) They were POV
2) They were not previously discussed in the talk page so that we could find a way to make them less POV.  Pancho, if you believe there is POV you must first discuss it here.  
3) There was at least one spelling error.  INstead of fixing it I decided to revert to an earlier version since the material was POV anyways.
Please do not take this personally and any comment that you have you should write it here and not on my talk page (or nicagringo's for that matter.)  You have tried to label Montealegre "corrupt."  There is a paragraph in the article discussing the accusations against him.  Since we strive for NPOV that is all we can do.  Labeling him corrupt in the sentence immediatly before that paragraph is not only redundant (since we discuss the allegations later in the article) and aesthetically poor, but also extremely POV.    Brusegadi 18:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pancho Pueblo

message: Somebody placed a poll that placed Montealegre behind Rizo.  This was wrong because the poll was not of NICARAGUA, it was only of Matagalpa and Jinotega.  It is like running a poll on San Francisco and Boulder (liberal meccas in the US) and saying that Bush has an approval rating of 0% when in fact it is closer to 30%.  Thus, I removed it.  To whoever is vandalizing, please stop.  Discuss any changes in the talk page as we have agreed.  Brusegadi 03:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WRONG POLL

message: I believe that the way the article stands is pretty good.  Notice that everything is factual and directly related to Montealegre.  I removed the "composition" of the investigating body and also the FACT that its president is Aleman's lawyer.  Please, if you want to add anything, discuss it first.Brusegadi 08:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Version

message: Hey, new poll published.  http://www.laprensa.com.ni/archivo/2006/septiembre/29/noticias/politica/146806.shtml
Anyone want to update?  Brusegadi 05:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Poll September 29

message: I have two issues with the recent edits on the Eduardo Montealegre page:  (1) The removal of the fact that the U.S. Government favors Montealegre in the elections, at least as opposed to Rizo of the PLC;  and (2) the weight of credibility given the Fox News article by Oliver North.
On the first point, the U.S. ambassador in Nicaragua (Paul Trivelli) has openly come out against the FSLN for obvious reasons, and against the PLC because it is still run by Arnoldo Alemán, an unquestionable crook serving a 20-year sentence.  Trivelli's support for Montealegre is because he stands against the FSLN and the corruption of the FSLN-PLC (Ortega-Alemán) pact.  In the local press (La Prensa and El Nuevo Diario) Alemán himself has been denounced correcting Rizo at times, and stating directly and through his wife and daughter that Arnoldo still controls decisions in the PLC.  The U.S. ambassador is the official representative of the U.S. Government and of its foreign policy.  I very much doubt that a career diplomat like Amb. Trivelli would still be in Managua if the U.S. Government did not agree with his actions and words.  It is totally ludicrous to insist that you need a quote from President George W. Bush to make support for Montealegre official.
On the second point, as Brusegadi has also said, Ollie North is not a U.S. policy maker, and he does not represent an official view of the U.S. government.  He is only a talking head of Fox News, with insignificant following by the extreme right.  If O'Reilly came out with a similar statement, would it represent a view of the U.S. Government?  Although North may claim to speak with authority on Nicaragua because of his dated involvement with Iran-Contra, he has been totally out of touch with Nicaragua in the recent past.  In my opinion, his article was irresponsible because it exuded complete ignorance with respect to current poll results in Nicaragua, and gave a completely biased view fed to him by PLC supporters with their own agenda.  I believe that his article on Nicaragua did a disservice to his reputation, which is already a questionable one as far as the American general public is concerned.  Roger Noriega's response to North's article is further proof that the U.S. Government does not disagree with Amb. Trivelli's statements.
The PLC keeps quoting in their own media the results of a poll that place Rizo as second to Ortega.  The unregistered editor refers to a poll by Gamboa, but those results have not appeared in any Nicaraguan media (at least not in La Prensa, El Nuevo Diario, Confidencial, etc.).  Gamboa may be a pollster, but not a credible one.  The recognized pollsters in Central America are Borge, CID-Gallop and M&R.  The fact that North uses the results of this unknown poll removed the integrity of his article.  To me it is proof enough that his article is influenced by PLC friends of his.
NicaGringo 19:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right and I cant believe I missed out on the fact that Paul Travelli has spoken against Rizo and Ortega.  He is has the word of the US when it comes to Nicaragua (by defenition of his role.)  Yet, it would be cool if we could find some article to cite from (travelli saying it...)  I would also like to include this.  I thought it was a good analysis.  Brusegadi 23:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I will try to find some place where it is stated.  If someone who is not familiar reads it they may   be skeptic.  I honestly think it should not be so hard.  I liked the analysis in the article too.  I do not agree with everything he says, but when he talks about Arnoldo's preference (Ortega over Montealgre) he hits the point right on target.  That is obviously what is going on.  Take care, Brusegadi 04:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the best I can find.  In it, Trivelli says that Montealgre is the candidate against the 'el pacto' but it does not say, in an explicit manner, that he has the support of the US.  I think that in international politics such a statement would be undiplomatic.  Given that the US has been blamed of intervining, this may be enough.  I'll keep looking anyways.  Let me know what you think.  I will not change anything yet.  Brusegadi 01:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Don't interfere" in Nicaragua vote, OAS tells U.S. by Reuters. --Magicartpro 21:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. Support of Eduardo Montealegre and Oliver North's Article 

message: Hello,  I heard there will be a new poll which pretty much places things as they were before.  Thus, we would have two polls that pretty much contradict each other.  There have been contradictions like that before, but normally one of the polls was not credible.  Since right now both polls seem to be fine (one will come from gallup, the other is the UCA poll) I think that we have to find a way to include both.  Perhaps, even mention what has ocurred historically with these polls.  The reason I do this is because, although the gallup poll will be more recent, I dont think we should remove the UCA poll.  More when the poll is out, but lets begin discussion so changes may follow swiftly.  Brusegadi 21:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pancho: ALN came in fourth place out of seven parties in 2006. On the other hand, you cannot compare the Atlantic Coast elections and the General Elections. In the 2006 AC elections the abstention was record-high; more then 55%. That doesn't happens in national elections. I agree with you that Cid-Gallup failed in the last elections, but who didn't? The late swing phenomenon is always present in the Nicaraguan elections, or as it's called in Nicaragua; the güegüense factor. My personal opinion is that the polling organizations are trying to play safe. The overall percentages of the undecided voters is significant, 11% vs. almost 18% in the last two polls. Those votes can definitely decide the elections. --Magicartpro 22:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Polls / Voting Simulation

message: Message by NicaGringo: 05:58, 22 October 2006 NicaGringo (Talk | contribs) m (Correction. Nobody recognizes Ortega's first presidency as a democratic election.)
In 1984, Nicaragua held elections recognized as valid by the international community, but discounted by the United States.  Please NicaGringo, stop reverting my edits. --Magicartpro 19:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think wikipedia should be parallel to the international community.  Thus, it will be his fifth time running.  There is room to include the US failure to recognize the 80s election but it should be adressed in the article on Nicaragua, under history.  Take care,  Brusegadi 22:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ortega's fifth election 

message: Somebody (the PLC anon who is always roaming these pages, making our lives difficult) changed the article to 'Montealegre "was" running for president.'  I am happy the elections are on Sunday, that way that anon, who is only interested in political propaganda, will stop vandalizing wikipedia. Brusegadi 04:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rizo got third and Montealegre got second.  100% of the votes have been counted!  Brusegadi 03:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shame or not

message: The Brown University article says that EMR graduated from Harvard Business School in 1978, but it also says that it obtained such information from the Vamos con Eduardo website.  The website Bio, however, does not have this specific date.  I have replaced the link to Brown with one to the Bio page on www.vamorconeduardo.org.  I have checked with people that have access to Harvard's alumni website, and they have confirmed that he graduated in 1980, not 1978.  EMR's bio, furthermore, says that he initiated his professional career in 1976.  This makes sense because he worked for his father in Banco Nicaragüense for two years before going to Harvard.
NicaGringo 19:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EMR - Education