Talk:Classical antiquity

message: I've removed :File:Cultural spheres in Europe.jpg from this article (and Greco-Roman world). The image seems to be entirely created from Original Research, and presents an overly simplified (and often inaccurate) view of the "cultural spheres" of Europe. The maps follow modern nation-state borders, lump Finland and the Baltic states in with their neighbours without explanation, and use fonts that seems more suited to a high-school project than an encyclopedia (using, for example, Д as A, and Σ as E), without adding much to the articles. I don't want to put the creator off making helpful diagrams in future, but if it is to be restored I would suggest that these "cultural spheres" are backed up with reliable sources on the Commons file page, the typography toned down, the file be made as a vector image (.svg) and "Islandia" (should be Iceland) corrected. ‑‑YodinT 18:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "Cultural Spheres in Europe" OR map 

message: Start and end dates for a period of history are always a problem, and they serve to expose how artificial periodization really is. But late antiquity is often regarded (by its specialists, anyway) as broader than the dates given here. Late Antiquity: A Guide to the Postclassical World, one of the most extensive sources out there, covers roughly 250 to 800 (!), and a review for the same book states that that range is "an expansion over the older orthodoxy of ca. AD 250–640, and reflects current thinking, especially as to the upper limit." More recently, The Oxford Handbook of Late Antiquity uses a cutoff date of 700 and includes a chapter on "Early Islam as a Late Antique Religion". Late-antiquity specialists seem to treat the transition to Islam as a major element of the period.
I know sources on late antiquity don't always run as far as the Islamic conquest; Egypt post-Justinian is often labeled "Byzantine", so I assume that's also true of other provinces of the eastern empire. This article should probably explain the variety of end dates. A. Parrot (talk) 07:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of late antiquity 

message: I want to talk about the Trojan war and achilles and I remember and all the Greek Kings and gods 198.245.192.137 (talk) 05:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's talk about Achilles and Agamemnon and the trojan horse 

message: English 116.72.125.30 (talk) 08:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical world 

message: English 116.72.125.30 (talk) 08:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greece:the hellenic world 

message: ...is a dab page, but classical era and classical age redirect here. Does this make sense? Srnec (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not hugely no. Although I guess "period" is used a little more widely/loosely. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I think so - after the first 2 on the dab, the rest clearly refer to other things entirely:
*Classical India, a historic period of India (c. 322 BCE - c. 550 CE)
*Classical Islam, a normative period in Islamic history
*Classical period (music), in music
*Classic stage, of American archaeology
- in fact "the classical period of ..." could refer to any number of things. Johnbod (talk) 16:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: So yes, actually. My eyes (and mind) skipped over the music period before. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Classical period]]... 

message: This phrasing in the 3rd paragraph of the article introduction I think misrepresents the directions and extent in which Hellenistic culture spread. It seems to imply that, for instance, the Britons before the conquest of Claudius were influenced primarily by Greek culture. The reality is that Greek cultural influence north of the Alps, with the exception say of Massilia, was extremely limited. So, I'm going to change "European" at least to "Mediterranean", but even that doesn't encompass say the Seleucids and Bactrians, where Greek culture reached to the borders of India. Hopefully someone else can come up with a better term to pinpoint the area of Hellenic influence 148.88.245.156 (talk) 12:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Basis of European art until the Roman Imperial period"