Talk:Arbiter (Halo)

message: A trailer for Halo Wars shows an Arbiter. Should this be put here? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't. Currently we don't know if its actual cutscene footage or promotional, or in what capacity the Arbiter may appear; once we have more information we can add it in under appearances. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 12:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, for the moment I'll leave it as it is. If anything else is released I'll bring the matter back up again. For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 18:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo Wars 

message: I've pulled that section on grounds of original research. There's no actual confirmation within Cole Protocol that Thel becomes the Supreme Commander. Page 349 of the book does specify that he becomes a shipmaster of a crusier within the Fleet of Particular Justice, and while I agree that there is a better then good chance he does become the Supreme Commander, without actual confirmation extrapolating that he becomes the Supreme Commander is original research. If someone wants to contest this, I would request a source specifically citing that he becomes the Supreme Commander. Peptuck (talk) 03:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Halopedia's opinion is irrelevant, as it isn't a reliable source. Peptuck (talk) 02:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm iffy about that. For one thing, I've got to rely on the translation, it's not a reliable source, and he doesn't just come out and plainly state it either. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than the translation being on a message board, what is it that makes the information unreliable?Dibol (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:RS. This site doesn't have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. There's no one vouching for this site. Who's to say they didn't just make it up or mangle Bucknell's comments? --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thel 'Vadamee 

message: Seriously, if the Arbiter is puted with all these sections of "characters with superhuman strength" etc. then why not the Master Chief?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First, check the categories that Master Chief (Halo) belong to; some are themselves subcategories of the categories here, and we generally don't list both a category and its subcategory because it's actually redundant. Second, each page stands on its own merits, so if you're removing categories only to conform to another article, which you think should actually have more categories, the correct solution is to discuss it on the talk page of the other article. If, however, you think that the categories should be removed because they don't belong, period, that's another story. — TKD::Talk 20:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ¡Stop it OK! 

message: I just encountered this on the Halo Wars main menu on the liitle bar at the bottom with snippets of game information and statistics:
Not many people know that the Arbiter's given birth name is Shirley.
No, seriously. I'm not vandalising the article by putting this in. I've only ever seen it once, but I have seen it.
EDIT: Sorry, that was me. I forgot to login on this window. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, I think that is obviously a joke. Peptuck (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I did consider that, but it seemed like such a weird one that I figured it must be true. We don't know much about Elite naming conventions. Maybe Shirley is a male name in their society. *shrugs* Of course, I like a good conspiracy and maybe that's polluting my grasp of the situation. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Halo Wars]] Arbiter 

message: I think perhaps a picture of the Arbiter from Halo 2 and 3 would be better. Maybe a free one could be found somewhere? Mr. Wayne (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where might we obtain a free image of a copyrighted character in a copyrighted work? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images? 

message: Why no mention of him? 69.132.69.87 (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable source that talks about his appearance, please provide it or add it in yourself. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 22:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo legends arbiter 

message: --Niemti (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  And here also you forgot to write who creater the character, and also who designed 

message: Arbeit is German for "work". wikt:Arbeit, Arbeit discuss this. The latter is a dabpage. It also appears as part of the phrase Arbeit macht frei with significant resonance. Not sure whether the designers were cognizant of this and how or whether to introduce this into the article. — Brianhe (talk) 05:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Arbiter has a clear meaning in English as well. I've not seen any source to suggest they were inspired by the German term. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of "Arbeit" 

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message: I think Thel 'Vadam should get his own page, mainly because of how important he is, He was the first Arbiter introduce in the Halo series, and the main one. 114.75.148.198 (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose This article needs a move to The Arbiter in order to refocus it entirely on Thel 'Vadam (under his WP:COMMONNAME). He is the only character who is notable here, the others are tangential at best and should only get a passing mention, if any at all besides "Arbiter is a rank also given to other Covenant").  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I should note that, ironically, in the article's current state even the notability of The Arbiter himself is not demonstrated at all. However, the books Halo and Philosophy: Intellect Evolved and The World Is Born From Zero: Understanding Speculation and Video Games, which are not included in the article, have some significant coverage on him that gets him, at least, past the notability threshold.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Comment I have totally removed all mentions of the other non-notable Arbiters from this article, so I think this split is now moot. If they are to be mentioned, it could be at Covenant (Halo) instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Thel 'Vadam get his own page? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 14:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Arbiter (Halo) →  – The character is commonly known as "The Arbiter", similar to The Nameless One. "Arbiter" as a rank is not notable. See this link for an example. If this RM succeeds the above discussion should be closed as moot.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 May 2023 

message: My edits removing the other Arbiters were reverted per "no consensus" but with no other reason given, so I'd like to ask for what the justification is for making the article about the rank of Arbiter rather than the main Halo character. The character who appears in Halo 2/3/5 appears to be the sole notable Arbiter in the franchise.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how this article has been for more than a decade, and it's how it went through FAC. No reason is needed besides "no consensus for a significant change to the article". The article doesn't spend a ton of time on the other characters, there's no undue weight consideration. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 2009 FA standards were not nearly the same as they are now. It's not the idea of being undue, but the notion that the rank of Arbiter is not what is mentioned in RS. They are almost entirely referring to the Thel 'Vadam character. If I moved Commander Shepard to "Spectre", or Master Chief (Halo) to SPARTAN, people would rightfully revert me.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still more consideration than you have gotten for your changes. So get the consensus first. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 20:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Refocusing the article