Talk:Augusto Pinochet

message: AFAIK, "dictator" is the scholarly consensus, and should remain in the lead. But we should cite historians. Not news organization, not the "Journal of Design History", not the "Inquiries Journal" (written by undergrads), not a news article attributing use of the adjective to George W. Bush, and not an NSA book (primary source).
The point of citations isn't so editors can defend themselves from accusations of bias ("I'm not saying it, WaPo did!").
It's to give readers a starting point from which to learn more about a subject. For this specific phrase in the lead, we should use exclusively scholarly sources (historians), published by scholarly publishers (not "pop history") of which there are plenty. We don't really care that Reuters thinks Pinochet is a dictator; what matters is that historians think that. DFlhb (talk) 11:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never edited this article or its lead. DFlhb (talk) 01:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

text: That'd just show you have no idea how the chinese government works Orocairion (talk) 13:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I support it as long as it’s cited to scholarly sources. I don’t think news orgs are a sufficient source for this type of claim about a well-researched historical figure. DFlhb (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for "dictator" in lead 

message: Section's title ACCUSATIONS OF FASCISM is wrong because fascism is an ideology founded on economic system named CORPORATIVISMO in Italian language: some Italians were inventors of fascist ideology which have several imitations in all the world. Pinochet ruled his nation in similar manner of Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Peron, etc. but Pinochet did not inserted economic corporativismo in totally manner: for these reason I suggest title COMPARISON WITH FASCISM. Forza bruta (talk) 01:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your premise is incorrect. Corporatism was a much broader economic phenomenon in post-WWI Europe. Fascism's early emphasis on corporatism wasn't at all unique, and the fascist movement later transcended any and all economic doctrines. Anyone who would like to read a classic bit of scholarship on the topic should check out Charles Maier's Recasting Bourgeois Europe Generalrelative (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section's wrong title 

message: 'Thatcherite'. 110.174.52.185 (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a link to Thatcherism, which I think is most relevant. –CWenger (^ • @) 23:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please define... 

message: I’m not a big fan of neoliberalism, but isn’t it a little insulting to connect it to a murderous fascist dictator, just because he took the advice of free market economists?
Island Pelican (talk) 20:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it's insulting or not is beside the point. We follow what the reliable sources say, e.g. this and this. Generalrelative (talk) 00:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

text: His economic lean is somewhat at a tangent to the question. Capitalism and Hitler, Communism had Stalin and Mao, all economic doctrines have produced monsters. 103.94.51.49 (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, as the implementation of neoliberal policies was part of the conditions and goals to get support from the US in his coup. Orocairion (talk) 13:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Neoliberal?!