Talk:Lagos/Archive 1

message: It might be good to have the article mention some of the downsides of Lagos:
* The pollution
* The crime
* The police checkpoints
* How dirty it is
* How all the cars look have crinkled bodies
* The poverty
I don't think I'm the right person to write this, but right now, the article is very biased.
:I made a Crime segment in my update, but I couldn't add too much because I don't like to add things to city articles without references. Totally forgot about pollution. Couldn't find any poverty statistics of note either, although I don't doubt for a second that Lagos is full of it. Nach0king 16:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lagos is a hellhole

message: This article and the article on Abuja both state that Lagos ceased to be the capital of Nigeria in 1991.  However, this article also states that this is a misconception and that Lagos ceased to be the capital in or soon after 1976.  Which is correct? Schoen 01:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: Some of these pictures here don't look that good, such as the one showing a hazy, unbclear view of Lagos and the boring picture of a Lagos dirt street. We should get some better pictures. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better pictures 

message: 2006 census have not been accepted yet. The senate rejected the figure ..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Views20071 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lagos State apparently contains not only the metro area. As in this article, the population info isn't the best! I agree that we should strive for consistency - but where to start? Nach0king 13:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Twice now I've reverted edits saying that Ibadan is a larger city than Lagos. I doubt that personally, plus there's nothing in the Ibadan article to substantiate that claim. Perhaps the IP user is trying to make some statement about Ibadan being the largest indigenous city in Nigeria, but whatever the case it's unclear. I'll keep reverting until it's substantiated or clarified. - Draeco 22:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size relative to Ibadan 

message: I'm surprised that no mention of the massive email and fax scams coming specifically from Lagos are covered in this article. I've personally seen where these scams are conducted. And while I was in Nigeria, I personally witnessed the large amount of scam artists operating in Lagos. I think a section should be devoted to the crime in that city. Jtpaladin 19:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting subject. As a native Lagosian, I think more effort is needed, or a little, into doing this asap. Don't you think? - Omar 180 18:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did that, and some idiot anon tried to remove the paragraph. I put it back. If he comes back, I'll block him. WhisperToMe 22:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done. Jtpaladin 14:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Aadebayo added ""The contributor of this section is from a place where it is the norm for people to be killed because they are black, yet I do not see any reference to that point in his city"" - Since this was commentary, I excised this line. I responded to this on my commentary. WhisperToMe 05:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, do you believe that Chamber of Commerce Groups would be that willing to admit serious negative flaws of their cities/places? I doubt it. WhisperToMe 14:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scam Central 

message: Many 419 advance fee fraud scams are based out of Lagos. Several neighborhoods, such as Festac Town, are main operation areas of scammers, who use shady cybercafes to implement scams. Six areas, including Oluwole, contain many businesses that produce false documents used in scams  .
The EFCC was established in 2003 to eradicate scamming networks .
Please note the following: - The link: http://www.nextwebsecurity.com/419news.asp referring to set up of the Nigerian Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) does not work. There is an official site which should be used: http://www.efccnigeria.org/ - The links indicating that this activity is centred in Lagos is misleading and should not be considered a primary source because: a. the articles are written by media that are neither able, nor responsible for properly assessing the prevalence in Lagos vis-à-vis other Nigerian cities. Direct links from government or NGO sites would be more accurate sources.
However, I restate that this information should be restricted to the “Crime in Nigeria” page. Your rationale that because "it happens" does not justify it's inclusion on the city or country page, when there is clearly a separate article dedicated for this information. Placing it under "Economy" implies that this is a significant part of economic activity, which it is not.
For example: black people in America are subject to systemic institutionalised racism as evidenced by stiffer prison sentences than white defendants committing the same crime. There are numerous online and paper articles, court reports, and academic studies supporting this information, does that justify the inclusion of this information on a US city or country page?
The same could be said about credit card fraud in the US, kidnapping in Mexico or the drugs trade in Thailand.
I also object to the tone of your message, are you trying to intimidate me by “warning” me not to do the very thing Wikipedia was created for? Namely contribute to an environment where people proximate to information are allowed and encouraged to enhance the knowledge of people less proximate.
Your responsibility as an administrator is to ensure impartiality and the accurateness of articles, not to strong arm dissenting views or push one particular view point above others. Remember encyclopaedic material must be verifiable. As an online encyclopaedia, all articles should share common structural themes, exceptions should be minimised. I believe that this is a glaring exception which you seem particularly intent on maintaining. Why is that?Ajisekanla (talk) 12:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 419 advance fee fraud

message: Whoever's responsible for the readjustment on the IPAs, thanks :). Qasamaan 08:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (pronounced /ˈleɪɡɒs/, or /ˈlɑːɡoʊs/ overseas) overseas from where? Which one is the Nigerian pronunciation?--87.162.25.238 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks for advancing IPAs

message: The article, at the beginning, makes note Lagos not being a municipality, but that can't be right.  I don't see how it is any different than say Sydney in Australia, which is composed of many local governments, but definitely has a central one City of Sydney.  Lagos Island LGA would most definitely be what this is about, and the article should reflect that.  So, what is the population of Lagos Island?  If every 'city' had its page about its metro, we'd have to redo the whole site.  The fact is that every city has an urban area, and many urban area central cities, are in fact, just as small as Lagos Island or smaller.  This would be like doing an article on Paris or San Francisco, and having the article cover the entire metropolitan/urban area consisting of all of the different administrative divisions.  This article should reflect Lagos Island, the central administraitve division, in population and description.  Why even bother having a page on Lagos State, at all, if all we're going to do is list the population of Lagos State for Metropolitan Lagos?  Someone find the information for Lagos Island and let's get this fixed. --Criticalthinker 07:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all of Lagos State was formerly the city of Lagos. The former city of Lagos consisted of Lagos Island, Victoria Island, as well as a section of the mainland of Apapa, Yaba, Ebute-Meta and part of Surulere. WhisperToMe 14:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that, and that's really my point.  If this article is about Metropolitan Lagos, the statistical division that consists of 16 local area governments, then the article should reflect that.  I just found the population statistics of 2006 for each local government area.  What I'm going to do is add up the 16 local government area populations, and post that population, and perhaps, this article should be renamed "Metropolitan Lagos". I'm not so sure you're getting what I'm saying. --Criticalthinker 05:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is no different than the City of Sydney which is the central local government area of the statistical metropolitan Sydney in Australia. --Criticalthinker 04:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lagos as a Municipality 

message: I am the person who uploaded the map of Metropolitan Lagos's 16 LGAs from the German Wikipedia. I see someone put the map at the beginning of the infobox. I would like to draw people's attention to an error in this map. The map shows Lagos Islands larger than it is really. In fact, there are two islands: Lagos Island and Ikoyi Island, but the current German map shows them as a single island and name the whole thing as "Lagos Island", which is wrong. In fact the western part of this "Lagos Island" is the real Lagos Island. It is a LGA. The eastern part is Ikoyi Island, which is part of Eti-Osa LGA. Someone should correct the map to include the eastern part inside the Eti-Osa LGA. You can see a detailed map of the area here (note that there's only a small channel separating Lagos and Ikoyi islands, which is not shown on this map): . On this other map from the Nigerian statistical office, you can see the administrative borders of the LGAs: . The map is a bit complicated to read, but it's the best I've found for administrative limits. Could someone with map making skills then correct the map? Godefroy 18:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of Metropolitan Lagos 

message: A section on crime, well referenced, has been added.  I have refrained from more sensationist descriptions of crime even though that makes the section short.  Crime is a serious problem in Lagos which is why a section is present.Congolese 03:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But street crime in Lagos is high, isn't it? - The Economist.com Cities Guide certainly is no "South African talk page" (how do you know the Lagos piece is from 2003?). And Nigerian papers have been much more outspoken just recently: "the menace of insecurity has reached a frightening dimension" (Guardian, Sept. 6, 2007), "insecurity of life and property, symptomised by violent robberies, the raping of women, kidnappings, and other forms of criminality, is clearly on the rise" (Nigerian Tribune, Sept. 12, 2007), Nigeria is "a nation under siege by hoodlums" (Leadership, Sept. 3, 2007). That's why Fashola is introducing military patrol now (Vanguard, Oct. 29., 2007). - Cheers, Ankimai 10:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: crime section

message: The information in this article crosses over the differences between the three and I suggest information be restructured to reflect the differences.  E.g. the Local Government Area (LGA) only relates to Lagos Island, while the article seems to refer to "Greater Lagos," including the outlying areas of the mega-city.  Ajisekanla (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lagos City, Lagos Island or Lagos State