Talk:Icelandic Sheepdog

message: Dear friends,
a) today / tonight I realised that FCI misspelled the Icelandic name for the Icelandic Sheepdog. It should be "Íslenskur fjárhundur" and not "Islenskur fjárhundur". This is like writing "Ingland" or "Ongland" and not "England".
I will discuss this issue with ISIC - the Icelandic Sheepdog International Committee .
b) The names displayed at "Alternative names" are not correct. How they can be changed? - done -
Kveðja / Gruß / Salutas / Best regards
Reinhardt (Gangleri)
:To change the names, click Edit This Page and change them. :-)  I fixed the spelling (yes, we just had a typo somewhere along the line) and added one alternative name from the web site you mention above.  I don't know where the full list of alternative names came from; another user did a lot of research ahead of time to find different ways that different breeds are called and you could probably ask about the additional names on her talk page: User talk:Sannse.  Elf | Talk 05:14, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, I used the FCI pages, the kennel club pages, various sites (such as dogbreedinfo) and various books.  I just added all the variations I could find and verify to my spreadsheet.  I didn't repeat the exercise to check it through, which explains the many errors we have since found!  I think the biggest of those I made was with accents.  So many sites seemed to use unaccented characters that I thought they were not important when writing for an English speaking audience, I now know better.  At least in this case I can blame the FCI ;) -- sannse (talk) 07:27, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  FCI 289 

message: Dear Elf,
Thanks for your answer. I was thinkning a lot about the different categories of names.
I would always start with the alternative name(s) from the country of origin, as "Íslenskur Fjárhundur" in this case.
Then the alternative names of the current language as you did.
There are three things more to handle:
*Misspelled forms widly used as (not "Islenskur fjárhundur") in this case. Wikipedia should use a standard convention for this. If you delete the wrong name another user may insert it again thinking it is a valid one. This can go forever. 
*Latin names as Canis islandicus in The history of the dog in Britain.
*A list of translations as "Islandsk Fårehund" dk: and no: , "Islandhund" de: . How this could be done automaticaly. I have many variants from fr: fi: es: eo: and so on.
Another item to discuss is the term "Friaar dog". http://www.google.com/search?num=100&as_epq=%22friaar_dog%22 does not show much. Who realy used this term?
Regards
:You might want to visit the WikiProject Dog breeds and read existing notes about articles & tables.  For example, for the list of alternative names, it says: "Other names by which the breed is known. The list of names for the breed in the FCI standards is a good starting point; also can include common breed names from other English-speaking countries."  So we don't include all names that the dog is known by in all languages, only those used by English-language speakers since this is an English wikipedia; the others would appear only on translations of that page into the other languages. (And many of the dog breeds do have pages in the other-language wikipedias; for example, Airedale Terrier has 3 other language pages.) 
:Not sure what you mean by using a standard convention for commonly misspelled names. I don't think there's any way to avoid it. You can put notes on the talk page (as you did here). Latin names are iffy, since I don't think the scientific community recognizes different species of domestic dog, but it's certainly worth a mention in the article on the hsitory of the breed. Elf | Talk 16:09, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Common misspellings can be made into redirects.  If it's very common it can be mentioned in the text ("commonly misspelled as 'sanse'").  But otherwise we should just use the correct spelling ourselves.  A note here is a good idea if the the word keeps getting "fixed", with information to verify which is the correct spelling -- sannse (talk) 07:27, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  more about alternative names 

message: Dear friends, I imagined that this would / can happen. Icelanders "normaly" talk about the Iclandic Sheepdog (with the definite article which is appended in Icelandic to the nown). They "normaly" do not talk about an Icelandic Sheepdog (with the indefinite article where nothing would be appended). I am not shure how other words are commonly used at is.wikipedia.org. Icelandic wordbooks and encyclopedies normaly use the word without the article. I will come back on this issue.
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Regards Gangleri 18:26, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)
:If you're talking about the name of the article then it should be Icelandic sheepdog but not The Icelandic sheepdog but if you're talking about this sentence somewhere in the article, and in Icelandic, then you're right. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson 23:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why Icelanders talk about '''Íslenski fjárhundurinn''' and not '''Íslenskur fjárhundur'''