Talk:Umineko When They Cry

message: What Engine does Umineko run on? Cause I don't see any mention of nscripter anywhere. -- Psi edit 16:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does indeed run on nscripter; you can add in a note if you wish.--十八 20:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Further proven in the credits. RasAlmond (talk) 13:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engine? 

message: Can we really extrapole they are siblings?
Considering their origins as orphans explained in episode 1, it might be a simple "sibling like" relationship, but absolutely not blood relative wise. The fact Shannon commented that "he just consider me as a older sister" and the explanations behind the servants of the Fukunon House are kinda pointing to the non blood relative status. Klashikari (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any speculation would be considered original research and would not be able to be included.--十八 00:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, that's why I pointed that issue, as there isn't any solid confirmation that these 2 characters are really siblings. I believe it would be better to leave it to person interpretation. Yet again, various lines in the visual novel states "kanon loved her as a sister". In any case, I think it would be rather logical to remove the sibling information in the article. Klashikari (talk) 10:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right you are; I've removed the bits about them being siblings.--十八 10:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shannon and Kanon 

message: Isn't Satan the devil? Why it's called a demon here? (75.157.183.134 (talk) 09:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satan 

message: I'm currently wondering if it is really that useful to put such details from episode 3 in the wikipedia articles. After all, there isn't any much descriptions or "unique" facts from episode 1 and 2, and the addition of these pieces informations seems rather void of real interest.
Of course, characters like Ange and Walgiria cannot escape such use of episode 3 information, but why Eva and Kumasawa would have such treatment?
I'm wondering if it shouldn't be better to remove these mention, as it doesn't exactly give really proper information about the characters (until it is proved that it isn't a singular occurance). It looks like rather like random spoiler lines in there.
Klashikari (talk) 21:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sudden extra information from Ep3 

message: Any chance we could have some more information about the "various" music composers? A list or anything? I'm just (incredibly) curious really.... 72.184.48.74 (talk) 03:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Composers 

message: This is just a suggestion but, could you upload the family tree from episode 3 wich includes Beato and Ange? this way it would be more complete. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.26.33.218 (talk • contribs) 
"Lambdadelta" (λδ) represents thirty-four when using Greek numerals
Hmm? Delta is the fourth letter in Greek alphabet, but Lambda is eleventh. How comes?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.182.69.120 (talk) 09:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Lambda is indeed the 11th letter, but its numerical value is 30. Klashikari (talk) 12:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I was going to tag the article with a wikiproject horror template, but having read through the article I can't see anything (with the exception of Beelzebub eating her own flesh) suggesting that it has strong horror themes. Can an editor who knows this game clarify please? Someoneanother 22:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Succinct and to the point, thank you. Someoneanother 03:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I will strongly disagree. The game itself shows pretty clearly how it is a detective novel, and that things are most likely done by a human culprit. That is to say, the "supernatural" side is there to add flavor and more challenge for the "anti fantasy" side. I really can't see this as "horror". Higurashi "could" be classified like this, because the fine line between supernatural and human doing was blur or even merged altogether. But in Umineko case, it cannot be considered as horror.Klashikari (talk) 14:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Horror doesn't require the supernatural element (ex The Texas Chain Saw Massacre), though most horror fiction does make use of it. Horror is based on if the work intends to scare, unsettle, or otherwise horrify its audience. So the question is, is that the intent of the game? --Farix (Talk) 16:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, but in the case of the Naku Koro ni series, people often mistake the supernatural element as a "horror" factor and arguement. And the question is simple: no Umineko does not have a structure nor a storytelling prone to horrify/scare its audience. At best, Episode 1 was creepy in some occasions, but as soon as Episode 2 came out, it is rather a battle of fantasy, twisted logic and witty loopholes etc. The franchise challenge its reader to explain everything in a human way, it certainly doesn't have horror inducing elements, but rather similar to a thriller/mystery detective novel, such like And Then There Were None. Klashikari (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't consider things like the vivid description of six corpses with their bellies stuffed full of candy and then slit open a horror-inducing element? -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Graphical? Check. Gore? Check. Scaring? not really. Of course, there is this fine line with "horrifying", but the purpose of this scene was merely to show how gruesome (and probably sadist) the culprit was. And since it is only 1 scene among many, it is not representative (until you really want to count cliché minor scenes, such like Gohda's in episode 3...). Klashikari (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Best answer is...what do reliable sources consider it? Do reviews refer to it as a horror game or a mystery? A quick scan of some seem to indicate mystery with no horror mentions. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

text: So are you suggesting that Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None be classified as horror since it uses the same plot device? --Farix (Talk) 03:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be another sock account. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely is. Erigu (talk) 04:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Sounds more like the qualities of a thriller then horror. --Farix (Talk) 12:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a horror game? 

message: What's the problem with the plot summary? It's far shorter then the one for Higurashi no Naku Koro ni‎. The character listing is getting lengthy, but could easily be moved to its own page. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 07:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that the plot info, which includes the characters and any other in-universe info, is far larger than the out-of-universe info, thus the template should stay until the characters are split, or the media info is expanded.--十八 09:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot summary

message: The page refers to the answer arcs, WHEN THEY CRY 4 as Umineko no Naku Koro ni San, but I've heard of it being called Umineko no Naku Koro ni CHIRU. Which is correct? Layter (talk) 23:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryukishi07 stated it's read as chiru in his blog (entry 508).--十八 23:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: SAN or CHIRU?

message: I notice the original photo describes that the real life mansion is the basis for the fictional guesthouse. Shouldn't it be the fictional mansion instead? 60.50.9.44 (talk) 07:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the image in the plot section is approximately the actual image of the guesthouse used in the games. The Ushiromiya mansion uses other real life mansions for the exterior and interior.--十八 07:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guesthouse or Mansion? 

message: I feel like music section is a bit messy. There are information about the opening and some "credit music" but aren't active pain, shirabe, discode or Usan kaori credit music as well. There is no info about the composers except of a small dai reference on development section. Does anyone has good references to change it a bit?. Also, I don't remember having an umineko vocal track called "Born of New Witch", Is it Birth of a new witch? or this song was announced for ep7 or something?. Moichispa (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it's done a little haphazardly. The main problem is the number of different artists that worked on the music, which comes to more than 20, Dai having composed the majority of the tracks (a little more than half). I tried to update it with separating the opening and ending themes, and adding in the other ending themes for now.--十八 01:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Music section

message: Should we make an article talking about the show's reception?-User:Robinsonbecky —Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean create a reception section, then yes, that'd be appropriate. Be sure to use reliable and verifiable third-party sources. See WP:A&M/I for examples.--十八 19:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: Just to let you guys know, I'm moving and renaming the article because the manga has been officially picked up by Yen Press .Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move and rename 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Umineko no Naku Koro ni Saku: Nekobako to Musou no Koukyoukyoku. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  PamD 19:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Umineko no Naku Koro ni Saku: Nekobako to Musou no Koukyoukyoku" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The majority of the plot summary starting from the paragraph beginning with "in the final two games" is either pure conjecture/guesswork (Sayo's gender, which the game never makes clear) or misrepresented as the truth when the game outright says to you that it is simply a possibility (Rudolph and Kirie killing everyone, which Bernkastel says is the truth when first shown but says in the following chapter that she means to say "MAY BE the truth", and is strongly suggested to have been made up by her to mess with Ange). And though it may be obvious enough to anyone paying attention, the game itself also never actually revealed Beatrice's identity outright. The solution to the "mystery" is never fully presented in the game.
Furthermore, all the stuff about Sayo's plan isn't actually the plot of the games at this point, it's only a backdrop to which it takes place, with the stuff involving Battler, Ange and Bernkastel being the main plot, which this supposed plot summary makes no mention of at all.
This is not a plot summary, it is a load of conjecture regarding the mystery that someone is passing off as a plot summary, and should be removed. 2404:2D00:5000:841:2D81:6889:C485:FB68 (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If nobody has anything else to contribute I shall remove/rewrite the misinformation in the plot summary myself. 2404:2D00:5000:841:2D81:6889:C485:FB68 (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: While your assessment is correct for the original visual novel, this article pertains not only to it, but to the manga adaption, which makes explicit both the solution to the mystery, Yasu's personal history, and Rudolf and Kyrie being the true culprits. While the old summary isn't perfect, it's more accurate then saying that no solution exists. For this reason I have reverted most of the description while also clarifying the variation between the two versions.--Lurinna (talk) 07:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I'm thinking of adding this to Transgender-related video games because of Beatrice and Lion and some other characters IDK Im not all the way through it Alena 33 (talk) 19:07, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should I update the categories?