Template talk:Cleanup/Archive 1

message: I have two thoughts about this template: 
# it draws far too much attention to itself; not all the times it will be used require such a limelight-grabbing message, and indeed for minor issues it can make things worse than the problems themselves
# it doesn't give the reader the right information: What exactly is wrong with the page? How does one go about finding the right part of Wikipedia:Cleanup and its various subpages? Why didn't the person in question just add a note to the article's talk page?
The one thing I do like is the creation of a :Category:Cleanup to automatically list things; it's like having a huge manual list, only the listings update themselves!
So, anyway, I've put my thoughts at Wikipedia talk:Cleanup#Yet Another Proposed Replacement. - IMSoP 17:07, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey there, Louis, I certainly agree that the cleanup process isn't very efficient, and is not extremely helpful to editors who don't frequent the cleanup page itself.  However, the reason I reverted the edits you made is because they were very awkwardly phrased.  The sentence "This article needs improving and/or rewording to a better quality" is redudnant with itself, and doesn't add all that much.  Saying something needs improvement or rewording barely says anything more than that it needs cleanup.  Also, when it comes to giving the right information, I don't think that a single sentence added to the top of the template that all cleanup articles get is an improvement.  It doesn't answer the questions IMSoP posed.  Secondly, the template had three occurences of "This article" after your edits, which isn't the best writing.  Perhaps I should have tried to improve your phrasing instead of simply reverting it, but I couldn't think of anything at the time, and didn't want that version left at the top of several pages for too long.  Anyways, I can live with vacuum's rephrasing of your edits, although it still doesn't give the casual reader very much information, unless they check the entry on the cleanup page. Also, I've compacted the template into one paragraph (plus heading), reducing the excess whitespace, and also linked "Higher quality" to give it some meaning .  Sorry if I jumped too fast on your edits.  —siroχo 04:18, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Are there more specific cleanup templates? It would seem a template saying, "This article needs to be shortened" or "This article needs to have its format cleaned up" would be much more useful (not vague). Hyacinth 21:55, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, see cleanup.  ✏ OvenFresh² 21:38, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This template is too bold, and too vague 

message: The boilerplate seems a bit too subtle.  I propose adding an image.  I got the idea from Template:Sucks, which got added to BJAODN Page 22, with a cool picture but a message that's a little too blunt.
I propose making Template:Cleanup thus...
	This article needs to be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of article quality.After the article has been cleaned up, you may remove this message.For help, see How to Edit a Page and the Style and How-to Directory.
What do you think? --Kitch 13:04, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed image addition