Talk:John Calipari

message: All coaching records have been updated for 2006-2007.  Gregchilders 00:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coaching records updated for 2006-2007 

message: John Calipari led the University of Massachusetts to a #1 seed in 1996, and Memphis in 2006.
Roy Williams led Kansas to a #1 seed in 1992, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, and North Carolina in 2005 and 2007.
Bill Self led Illinois to a #1 seed in 2001, and Kansas in 2005.  Gregchilders 14:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calipari, Williams, and Self led two schools each to NCAA Tournament #1 seed 

message: "And they have Calipari, a coaching animal and Larry Brown disciple, whose track record speaks for itself. Calipari has won more games (374) in his first 15 years than any other coach beside Hall of Famer Roy Williams, who won 418 in that period at storied Kansas before moving on to North Carolina. He is one of only three coaches — along with Williams and Bill Self of Illinois and Kansas — who have coached two different teams to No. 1 seeds."
Source: Calipari using familiar formula for success
Gregchilders 22:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only Roy Williams won more games after 15 seasons 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Laughable, and deserving of the POV tag. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the POV tag should be removed, as the absence of rumors is not equivalent to a POV violation. CopaceticThought (talk) 03:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So the wins being vacated were just a rumor?  Interesting. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and put a mention of it in the article. Can we remove the tag now? CopaceticThought (talk) 08:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of the shady dealings at UMASS? 

message: Undid the mention of him accepting the job at Kentucky, as this has not been confirmed anywhere.
----  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.161.161 (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kentucky

message: The picture located here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Calipari.jpg was photoshopped to add in the Kentucky logos. The picture was taken while in San Jaun at the Puerto Rico Tip-Off. Notice current Memphis Head Coach, Josh Pastner at the far left.  I propose it be removed and replaced with a non-editted photo.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.174.141 (talk) 22:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, removed. It appears to be tagged for deletion anyway. Ryan2845 (talk) 00:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted. Enigmamsg 07:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photoshopped Photo on Main Page 

message: This sentence confusingly refers to details that are only explained in later paragraphs, and uses confusing terminology.
He is one of only four coaches to direct two different colleges to a number one seed in the NCAA Tournament, and the only head coach to have a Final Four appearance vacated at more than one school, though Calipari himself was not personally indicted by the NCAA while coaching UMass or Memphis.
What is meant by having a Final Four appearance vacated (I figured this out via context but it is a specific enough term to deserve some kind of definition), and why are the incidents at UMass and Memphis mentioned in passing in this sentence without any prior mention in the paragraph?
165.123.183.240 (talk) 03:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To "vacate" a record in a sense means to erase it from the record.  The NCAA uses this term to retroactively forefit the event and change a team's record when they have been found guilty of rules violations.  They use the term in their release regarding the Memphis 2007-08 season.  The term could probably use a Wikipedia article, as the NCAA uses it throughout their record books.  The vacated records in the cases of UMass 1996 and Memphis 2007-08 are explained in more detail later down in the Calipari page.  Detail is not needed up front. --MikeUMA (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inital paragraph confusing 

message: Another editor has repeatedly removed the "Controversies" section of this article.  I have reverted those removals.  I do not object to editing that section, including trimming it or removing parts of it entirely.  I do object to the blanket removal of the entire section since parts of it are very well-sourced and almost certainly belong in the article.  So instead of deleting a large part of this article supported by reliable sources, how about those who have objections (a) edit the article more carefully instead of deleting everything and (b) discuss those objections here with other editors.  ElKevbo (talk) 18:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with ElKevbo regarding the removal of this section entirely. I do think, however, that this section should be disassembled and incorporated into the narrative of the article. Grouping them together unnecessarily gives the impression that Calipari is a scofflaw, when in point of fact, he has zero NCAA infractions on his record. I also agree that this section is in desperate need of pruning. Some of these "controversies" are either not controversial or only tangetially related to Calipari. Including them is just "piling on" by people who want him portrayed negatively. I'll create a separate subsection for discussion of each one individually. After a week or two, we'll see if some consensus has developed and go from there. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I mostly agree with Acdixon's comments here. The essay, Wikipedia:Criticism, suggests that Rather than create a section dedicated to criticisms, instead try to incorporate negative material into the appropriate topical or thematic section that the negative material relates to (such as a particular event, policy, or product), and I think that's the appropriate approach here. I agree that the issues relating to Camby, Garcia, Rose, and the win total silliness should be kept (which Acdixon's suggested changes), while the issues mentioned relating to Wagner, Evans, Dozier, Laurinburg Institute, Kanter, and Jones should be removed. I'm not sure about Wesley. But any/all kept content from this section should definitely be integrated into the flow of the article, rather than retained as a separate "Controversies" section. cmadler (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Nobody is arguing for blanket removal of controversial content. However, I strongly disagree with your assertion that "all of the content posted in this section fits the definition of a controversy". It would be most productive if you could comment on each individual section below so that we can talk specifics in each case. The only one you've mentioned specifically is one that everyone who has commented so far agrees should be included. It is not OK to list everything everyone thinks is the least bit controversial as long as an opposing viewpoint is presented (see WP:UNDUE). Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Uh, what wins of Urban Meyer have been vacated?  To my knowledge, none have been.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Brain-fingers disconnect. Meant Nick Saban. (I'm a basketball guy; don't care much for football.) Thanks for the correction. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Removed. --Mollskman (talk) 01:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies

message: *Include and expand to include NCAA exoneration of Calipari Inclusion of this information is necessary because the NCAA's decision to vacate the wins directly affected Calipari. However, it is inappropriate not to include the fact that Calipari was the one who reported the Camby's conduct and was specifically exonerated of wrongdoing in the NCAA's report. The current incarnation of the article omits these facts. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Marcus Camby

message: *Include Because this resulted in a lawsuit and a fine from the NBA, it probably belongs as well. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Racist insult directed at journalist

message: *Remove The practice of hiring someone close to a recruit is not forbidden by the NCAA, and no NCAA investigation resulted from this. It is common practice at other schools, and while some analysts decry the practice, it is not controversial enough to merit mention. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dajuan Wagner

message: *Remove The practice of hiring someone close to a recruit is not forbidden by the NCAA, and no NCAA investigation resulted from this. It is common practice at other schools, and while some analysts decry the practice, it is not controversial enough to merit mention. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Tyreke Evans

message: *Include The vacated wins and subsequent lawsuit and settlement make this notable enough for inclusion. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Derrick Rose

message: *Remove Unless there is more to this story than what we have here, there is nothing that indicates that Calipari was involved in any chicanery viz a viz Dozier's test score, that the score rendered him ineligible or resulted in any penalties for Calipari or Memphis, or that the cancellation of the first score had any effect on much of anything. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Dozier

message: *Remove or reduce to passing mention at best This concerns Calipari only inasmuch as Kanter had committed to Kentucky. Lots of players get declared ineligible for lots of reasons every year. Again, no sanctions resulted from the incident. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Enes Kanter

message: *Reluctant include This seems like a silly issue to me, but since the NCAA got involved and it is about Calipari directly, it should probably be included. In the interest of balance, the article might also mention that, after the NCAA slapped at UK and Calipari, other schools were found to have printed inaccurate win totals for coaches whose wins had been vacated, including Steve Fisher and Urban Meyer. Ultimately, all of this amounted to a tempest in a teapot. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, what wins of Urban Meyer have been vacated?  To my knowledge, none have been.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Brain-fingers disconnect. Meant Nick Saban. (I'm a basketball guy; don't care much for football.) Thanks for the correction. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Overall wins

message: *Integrate into text, if kept at all OK, Calipari has a high-profile relationship with William Wesley, but that in itself shouldn't be a controversy. No NCAA violations have been reliably alleged pursuant to the relationship. It isn't controversial just to be friends with a guy that people suspect might be shady, even though there's no reliable proof of that either. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: William Wesley

message: *Remove with extreme prejudice Seriously? Does anyone think Calipari is the only coach who has ever cursed at a player? Anyone who does has obviously never heard of Bob Knight. So Calipari got caught on camera at an inopportune moment in the age of HD TV. Big flippin' deal. Whoever added this was blatantly piling on. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. --Mollskman (talk) 01:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Terrance Jones

message: I find it highly suspect that the two main editors arguing against the controversy section both happen to hail from the state of Kentucky, where John Calipari is now head basketball coach.  It is possible that their edits may be influenced by their own personal biases.
64.134.178.193 (talk) 03:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it highly suspect that you raise this issue without attempting to comment on the merits of any of the discussions above, choosing instead to lob accusations of bad faith at those of us trying to clean up this article. You'll notice that  was the one reverting the overzealous removal of the entire controversies section, and that both of us agree that some of the controversies should be kept. I also posted a notice about the discussion at the College Basketball WikiProject specifically to get some outside feedback, although none has yet been forthcoming, unfortunately. Regardless, we are trying to get outside input. If you have comments about any or all of the sections above, please add them. If you are going to hurl baseless accusations of bad faith, feel free to go elsewhere. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias by editors?

message: Ya know? Should we start doing that for every public figure? I guess I just don't get why Calipari's annual salary is any more relevant than anyone else's. EVERYONE has an annual salary; yet I've never seen it in a place of prominence on anyone else's page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.227.77.90 (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's here because  provides a parameter for it. Every college coach could potentially have this information in his/her infobox, if the information is known. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is his annual salary featured/prominently featured in the info box? 

message: As the article states, there were two violations, and either one would've caused the season to be vacated. One was the Rose SAT, and the other was Memphis giving Rose's brother free transportation. Thus, the part about it having the university not knowing is inaccurate. Enigmamsg 16:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memphis 

message: Why are Calipari's records for vacated games in 2007-08 listed as "0-0"? This is highly unusual and is not done for vacated games by Steve Fisher, Kevin O'Neill, Tim Floyd, or Jerry Tarkanian on those coaches' respective wiki pages. Jamesbarlow3 (talk) 15:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coaching records spreadsheet 

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message: The Wikipedia article that I chose to edit is the Wikipedia page of John Calipari. John Calipari is a hall or fame american college basketball coach. He currently coaches at the University of Kentucky. After reading this article I am confident in saying that everything in this article is relevant. At no point was I distracted while I was reading. The article is also neutral but contains a section about controversies that aren’t extremely bias. 
``Rafiq Clark-Walker
     `Indiana University of Pennsylvania Undergraduate  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RafiqWalker24 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Changes 

message: I think this article contains a good deal of POV content. I am thinking of things like "Since 2012, the Wildcats head coach John Calipari has been on the top of the high school basketball recruiting mountain." Or this, from the lead: "On February 23rd 2019, in an 80-53 defeat of Auburn at Rupp Arena, John Calipari won his 298th game at Kentucky, officially passing Coach Joe B. Hall to become the 2nd winningest coach in Kentucky basketball history behind only the legendary coach Adolph Rupp." I would be interested to hear any other opinions. I will try to fix as much as this as I can soon, and may add a POV tag if I feel it is still too pervasive. 
JEN9841 (talk) 04:19, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah without question there's all sorts of Point of View issues and also weasel wording in the article. There's more gems like "John Calipari is also famous for his ability to recruit world class talent for his basketball team every year." and  "Due to the dominating success that John Calipari has been able to engineer during his tenure as head coach of the Kentucky Wildcats, it should come as no surprise that his players tend to enter the NBA Draft after their first season." I'll try to go through the article too but I say it's worthwhile to add the POV tag, Weasel tag and maybe the "in use" or "under construction" tag just so people are aware. It's going to take some significant time to go through the whole thing. Cubbie15fan (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Reports indicating Calipari may soon be hired by the University of Arkansas are intensifying. I added a transaction template, but Calipari's prominence — and the fact that the reported hiring would take him to an in-conference foe — makes me wonder if autoconfirmed protection is enough. Unfortified Castle (talk) 03:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: From experience, it's usually fine. It prevents the majority of edits. It's fine like this for now, if it gets worse, a higher level of protection can be requested.--Rockchalk717 03:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection and transaction template 

message: Cal now coaches at Arkansas 74.131.99.68 (talk) 13:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 13:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No changes will be made to reflect the hiring until Arkansas confirms it per Wikipedia policy.--Rockchalk717 16:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024 

message: 65.34.41.156 (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 14:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024 (2) 

message: John Calipari is now the head coach of Arkansas razorbacks 2600:1700:9670:94E0:2A69:F4A2:1827:C670 (talk) 03:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 03:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Despite with that editor said the issue isn't a source. The issue is he has not been officially hired yet. The contract is still being negotiated. When it's signed Arkansas will make an announcement. When that announcement happens is when we will update the article.--Rockchalk717 16:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024