Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia/Archive 1

message: In the assesment scale at 2.3 - I am about to add a number of other set of possible issues/subjects. Please feel free to edit if you have difference with this, thanks SatuSuro 04:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Many current "tourist" maps (specially US based derivative web-based "info" maps) of Indonesia have mistakes that are so gross as to dissallow their use.  For a good example, some maps linked to the Gunung Merapi article are so wrong as to seriously mislead an innocent user of wikipedia.  Hati hati dan kwatir with such items as "reference". SatuSuro 04:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map Problems

message: I saw the WikiProject on the community portal, and thought I would make you aware of this article. I created a bit over a week ago, and am currently working on getting it to FA. IF anyone would like to help, please do. Thanks --liquidGhoul 14:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi LiquidGhoul, I'm afraid I'm no biologist, so can't help you with this article from that point of view, but if you need anything translating from Indonesian, let me know. Cheers, --Sepa 12:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Fauna of New Guinea]]

message: Hi, I'm a new user of Wikipedia. I saw  WikiProject Indonesia and I'd like to help something that I knew about. The question is: where do I start? And also I've found some Indonesian articles that haven't been tagged with WP:INA. How can I tag it? — Indon 14:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining WP 

message: The new collaboration page has been created. For now, it is a "collaboration of the week" with standard rules and stuff, which later we can decide for any changes. But now, lets start nominating articles (one article for each person!) and voting. Please take a look at the page. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration

message: I had a spare time so I created WP:NAVINDO or WP:INA/N. Its a "somewhat" complete navigation of all Indonesia-related stuff, beside articles. Take care -- Imoeng 07:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesia navigation 

message: There seem a very large number of indon arts with not one off-line ref, is there a problem with citing books or non-internet refs at all ? SatuSuro 13:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it depends on what access to references you have. I only have access to online resources, as I'm no longer studying, AND I live in the UK where resources about Indonesia are limited anyway. --Sepa 11:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, you can cite off-line sources. Take a look at this example Wikipedia:Template_messages/Sources_of_articles/Generic_citations, all url fields in the template are optional. — Indon (reply) — 22:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: If I create a page where we can nominate articles and pictures for the Indonesian portal, will people (you) participate. If yes, I'll make it right away! Cheers -- Imoeng 09:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for late answer, yes I will participate. — Indon (reply) — 22:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article nominations 

message: Are we using American or British English? Cheers -- Imoeng 11:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the official policy is that it doesn't matter, as long as it's consistent within an article? Personally I use British spelling as that's what I grew up with, but I don't mind using US spelling in the odd article that has already been started. I wouldn't want to swap completely as I don't know US spelling for a lot words and it would be awkward to change such a well developed habit! --Sepa 11:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, from now on I reckon I'll use British English spelling. However if there is an article with American English, I would just follow the current style. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I don't know which one is American and which one is British, cause I'm living not in both countries, hahaha. So, please remind or correct my contributions if they are not consistent in the corresponding articles. — Indon (reply) — 12:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: Congrats guys! The Indonesian portal is now a featured portal, woohoo! Again, I'd like to thank people who participate in the improvements of the portal. Cheers -- Imoeng 20:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations !!!. Now let us make tons of featured articles, guys. — Indon (reply) — 08:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done - you deserve a pat on the back - but keep up the hard work guys - there is still  a lot of room for imporvement (says the old grumpy editor) SatuSuro 08:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pat on the back, uhh, not so hard, okay? Hehehehe. Yeah lets rule Wikipedia! (says the kid who wants to rule the world) Imoeng 08:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well done Imoeng! You've made such a difference to the Indo community here on Wikipedia in such a short time... I'm glad you're here.--Sepa 18:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Sepa :) Imoeng 23:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Portal!! Yay! 

message: Hey all, how are you going? So, yeah, I've got four new projects now, d'oh! Therefore I probably won't be as active as usual. Well, if something-very-serious-that-you-need-to-contact-me happens, you can still drop a message on my talk page, or my email. Cheers, take care -- Imoeng 12:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Busy 

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thread_title: Tagging talk pages and assessing articles

message: I started: :Category:Indonesian words. If you see any more words, maybe add the cat. yours Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Tobias, I noticed this yesterday. I am not sure of the benefit of this category. Although i don't want to suggest it be deleted without you having a chance to explain its intended use. Obviously you cannot put every Indonesian word there, so the few that do go there must have a reason. Why for example to people need to know that kota means city. On the other hand orang redirects to Orangutan which is certainly not its primary meaning in Indonesian. I also note that the words listed there are mostly (or all??) redirected to an English language equivalent. All I am saying is that the intentions of the category need to be more fully defined and communicated. Thanks --Merbabu 22:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Indonesian words 

message: I noticed that poverty in Indonesia redirects to Indonesia, which appears to have no significant discussion of poverty. Given that 52.4% of its 223 million citizens are living on less than $2 US a day, I would have expected it to have more significant coverage.
I would start an article, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the subject. I will, however, gladly contribute where I can if someone would care to start it - just leave a note on my talk page. Of course, if I'm missing this please do point me in the right direction - I'm trying to link from the article on the documentary War Photographer. --INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 14:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that it is a very important topic that has not been adequately addressed. I'm sure there is a lot of information on the web from NGOs. It would make a good collaboration of the week for the Indonesia wikiproject. As well as creating a new article, the information needs to be well integrated with the Indonesia and Economy of Indonesia articles (Caniago 05:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is a new section of the Economy article?? Maybe later, if there is enough info create an independant article. I'd rather see a complete section rather than a light article. just my 2cents --Merbabu 05:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty in Indonesia 

message: I added this line to November 10: 
:*1945 - the first Indonesian resistance against the returning colonialists after World War II, celebrated as Heroes' Day (Hari Pahlawan).
That's probably not quite right (it was the English returning, on behalf of the Dutch?)... I tried to check it but it's not mentioned in History of Indonesia. --Singkong2005 · talk 14:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroes' Day 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 15:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Where do you got all that information?
I want to support and be an active member too but i dont know how to get all that information you have. WHere do you get it? User:Marhadiasa 10.55, 26 Oct 06 (UTC +7)
: ha ha, well that is the trick - it can be hard. Sources have to be reliable, and the more often they appear, the better. Here's some good general info on citations - sorry if you already know all that. --Merbabu 04:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I am an amateur 

message: Hello all, how are you? So as I said on my talk page, I have decided to have a extremely gigantic marvellously ultimately long wikibreak. The reason is Wikipedia has affected my real life so much and I didn't realise it. Also, Satu Suro is right, I have sold my soul to heavy metal :P. But I will be back every two weeks to update stuff, such as newsletters and collaborations. If you have questions about the project, please email me. Good luck and take care -- Imoeng 07:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Wikibreak 

message: The  template is incorrectly linking to the disambiguation page for Kediri, rather than to the page for the city of Kediri. As a medium-experience editor, I have no clue how to fix this. Thanks!!! Kathy A. 23:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - invoice in the mail. ;-)  (Go here: Template:E_Java) --Merbabu 00:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: E Java template

message: As many of you have noticed, the Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia page is getting extremely out of date. Before I spend any time bringing it up to date with the last months news from Indonesia and elsewhere, does anyone think this is worthwhile? I can do my best to keep it up to date with Indonesian news, but no way can I do all the other countries in SE Asia, and if not one else is doing this then we might as well call it Current_events/Indonesia. If this is turning into a bit of a dead end page I don't want to spend too long working on it. Thoughts? --Bwmodular 13:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: wow - a south east asian portal. thanks for introducing me to it. It seems to be largely a news source. I prefer the Indonesia portal. --Merbabu 13:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know why news editors for that portal dissapear. I don't want to be news editor, either. Only news citer for WP:PID. — Indon (reply) — 13:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK. I'll volunteer to be Indonesian News Editor for that portal page for the moment - let's see if we get any contributions for other countries if I keep it up to date for a while. On a technical note, can anyone work out why the layout is currently screwed up for that page. Compare the layout of today's entry  with that from Mid september . Why is the sidebar relegated to top of the 16th November entry. I've compared the code with today's and there doesn't seem to be anything significantly different. Oh, and Merbabu, it's not really a SE ASian portal, it's part of the current events portal, so yes, specifically to do with news items. We link to it from the bottom of the News section on the Indonesia portal, and it is 'meant' to be the source for everything in the Indonesia News section, which is why I'm interested in it.--Bwmodular 13:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed the format issue - was a minor problem with the entry for 16th November. --Bwmodular 16:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia is now more or less up to date, in that all news articles from any of the S.E. Asian portals are there (have also brought the pages for October and November up to date). So, if you add a News Item to the Indonesia portal, please add an entry in the News Portal, as we used to do. I'll try and keep the SEAsian News portal up to date for the next month or two. If it looks like no-one else is using / editing that page during that time, then maybe it's time for a re-think - I like the idea of a News archive, but if the one we're using is defunct, then maybe we should set up a specific Indonesia news archive where all the old news items go. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks. Oh, yes, I know the News sidebar is out of date, and a few other things need fixing. Feel free to jump in before I fix them myself :) --Bwmodular 14:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  P.S. If you see some news for other S.E.Asian countries that should be added and don't want to do this yourself, just drop a note on my talk page and I'll sort it out myself. Also, I'll add a quick note to the Indonesia Portal talk page and the Indonesia Portal News talk page.--Bwmodular 15:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia]] 

message: What is the balinese view on the cow?  Is it as revered as in India?  I heared the balinese eat beef.--D-Boy 08:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Balinese hinduism is far different than the India's. Balinese does not consider of sacred cow, as far as I know. That's why Balinese hinduism is called Agama Hindu Dharma. — Indon (reply) — 10:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sacred cow]] 

message: The Wikipedia:Missing articles for towns and cities with 100,000 or more inhabitants project has identified two places in Indonesia with apprenty current populations of more than 100,000 that do not have articles in the English-language Wikipedia. In each case, an existing article in another Wikipedia edition has been found with what looks like the correct name. 
They are:
* Bitung - is this :id:Kota Bitung?
* Tebing Tinggi - see :ms:Tebing Tinggi
Would anyone be interested in creating articles for these places? -- The Anome 01:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: interested? Of course, but no time. Other priorities. How about you get the ball rolling? ;-)   Stubs are fine for starters at least. --Merbabu 01:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a stub for Tebing Tinggi. Someone else can do Bitung (Caniago 02:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two missing articles for places with populations > 100,000 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on the WikiProject X proposal 

message: I propose that Pagaruyung Palace be merged into Pagaruyung Kingdom. I think that the content in the Pagaruyung Palace article can easily be explained in the context of Pagaruyung Kingdom, and the Pagaruyung Kingdom article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Pagaruyung Palace will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. There is already considerable overlap and duplication.  John of Cromer (talk) mytime= Wed 21:12, wikitime=  13:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Could someone add a translation to :Template:Contrib-id1 in the style of :Template:Contrib-ta1, please? Bazj (talk) 12:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Bazj (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation please 

message: Hallo everybody!! I have made a nomination to make an Indonesian task force for football. The reason for it is to gather some active wikipedia users to improve the articles related to Indonesian football such as competitions, clubs, players and other related articles. The link for the nomination is here. Your contributions will be much appreciated. Cheers!! MbahGondrong (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesia task force 

message: Tasks - for too long, many Indonesian history articles have had either
* Lack of in-line WP:CITE
* Absence of english WP:RS
* ascribed notability from allusion to general references, but not specific references.
So it is suggested that a perfect example to start the new year as a collaborative project
* Sultanate of Mataram
* It has a fine set of further reading at the base of the article
* But the assertions that are throughout the article could easily be WP:OR as far as the average reader might know
* Allows ascribed personages and events as valid - that western and Indonesian researchers have no verifiable proof
* Makes claims of authority over whole swathes of Javanese history with not a single wp:cite
* Could easily in parts be a hidden copyvio
Please if you can, help the Indonesian project improve its articles on history - they are important components of the project
but they have lacked adequate cleanup in the last 3 years or so.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you.   satusuro 05:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 ''to-do'' tasks

message: Hello everyone!
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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject X is live! 

message: Hi fellow wikiproject members! I'd like to attend you to Delpher. It is a searchable and freely accessible database containing digitalised old newspapers, journals and books. Although they are mostly about the Netherlands, there is a substantial amount of content about and from the colonial era in Indonesia. This might be of great interest to the historians among us, who are desperate for references. Just remember to search with the pre-1972 spelling (u>oe, c>tj and so on), which brings me to one big drawback: you will have to understand the Dutch language in order to be able to read it all. Of course you may ask one of our Dutch members (like me) for help, but it is a huge database and finding the correct stuff may take a while. HyperGaruda (talk) 10:59, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History sources - Delpher