Talk:Anglo-America

message: "A significant proportion of Canadians do not speak English"
This isn't necessarily true, the overwhelming majority speak at least some English, even if they choose not to. This sentence as it stands can give an inaccurate impression and should be re-written.Fire Star 14:58, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglophone Canadians 

message: I disagree.  There are plenty of Google hits, and Brittanica has a (stubby) article.  English-speaking North Americans are a very important ethnic group (or group of closely-related ethnic groups) with a rich culture and history.  How could there not be a term for where they live?
Pekinensis 17:35, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little used term? 

message: *Latin languages: french, spanish, italian, portuguese, romanian, etc.
*German languages: english, dutch, deutsche, norwegian, swedish, etc.
The opposite of Latin America is German America
That's incorrect, the opposite of Germanic America would be Italic America. 
:I was actually thinking about this and I came to this conclusion "Anglo-America" could be the "opposite" of Hispanic America if you well (even if I don’t see why this would be); and in the grander view a new article could be made that is called "Germanic America" that shows all the territories that have a Germanic derive culture in America or the Americas which ever you want. -- sion8 9:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglo is not in the same level of Latin

message: German America is better. in Suriname, Netherlands Antilles and Aruba Dutch is spoken, no english.
:The terms and meanings of German and Germanic should not be confused. siarach 15:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not only english as German language

message: I have never heard this term used before and the Google hits weren't encouraging. The western hemisphere can be divided culturally into Latin American (which includes Central and South America) and North America. The term North America is ambiguous: it can refer to just US+Canada (so-called "Anglo-America"), sometimes US+Canada+Mexico, and sometimes it can also include Central America, in which case its geographic meaning is different from its cultural meaning. (I'm leaving out islands for simplicity.) This is why some Spanish-speaking people refer to Americans/Canadians as norteamericanos. Has anyone else ever heard this term used to describe US+Canada? It sounds like a neologism. Tocharianne 21:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Anglo-America"

message: I removed the latest addition from BrendelSignature because it listed this pdf as a reference, but I can't find any place where that article uses the term Anglo-American or specifically mentions western states. If I missed finding it, please let me know and we can add it back.  Tocharianne 02:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits on 1-8-2007 

message: If you were to split the Americas into two parts following the language factor, the best option is to call this article "Teutonic America" (as in opposition to "Latin America).  Different from the word "Germanic", that is too much linked to Germany only, the word "Teutonic" encompasses several nations of North Europe, England, Netherlands and Denmark included.  Plus, it would work way better if your goal is to fit Suriname (Dutch speaking), Greenland (a territory of Denmark) and USA in a same common category that is based on the languages spoken.
As for Quebec and Lousiania, you shouldn't worry wether the classification would fit or not, because the line separating Americas into "Latin America" and "Teutonic America" is not supposed to fraction countries into parts.  The idea is to group entire countries in one or other linguistic side, and what matters in this case is what language is spoken by the majority of the population of a given country, provinces and states don't count.  Quebec is in Canada and Quebecois are Canadians and since 75%-80% of all the Canadians speak English as their first language, then that's enough to group Canada in the Teutonic America.--Patrasmentium 12:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe the title of this article should be changed to Teutonic America 

message: The map seems to suggest that Panama, Guyane (French Guiana), and the ABC islands (the Netherlands Antilles) are "regions where English is prevalent, or where people have English historical roots," in line with Belize, Jamaica, and so on.  Shurely shome mishtake?  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 07:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi.  It appears that Guyana and Suriname are highlighted (not French Guiana) -- the first is English-speaking.  Dutch is spoken in Suriname, as in the ABC islands.  Apparently, English is common in Panama, despite Spanish being official.  A number of the Antilles are English-speaking, but (in my opinion) the individual islands may be hard to distinguish on this map.  Hawaii, though not technically part of the American landmass, is English-speaking and a part of the United States of America.  Is there a list of territories in Anglo-America we can refer to when/if changing the map?  I suppose the PNG map can be edited using any picture editing programme like Paint.  Quizimodo 02:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I liked the idea of making a list so here it goes:
1- Canada (Quebec could be coloured in light green instead of dark green, as it is now). I agree with you, Quizimodo: maybe the islands might be too difficult to distinguish (so as St. Pierre and Miquelon...)
2- USA, including Alaska but excluding Hawaii. It might be better to get other map of the American continent, so as to exclude Hawaii (because it's not in America but in Oceania) or to not colour Hawaii. I'm just talking about the continents, and not about the fact that Hawaii is, obviously, "Anglo-Oceanic".
3- Guyana: I think it might be dark green because English is the official language in there and the English culture  is important there. Elizabeth II was Queen of Guyana until 1970. 
4- Belize: the same reasons as in Guyana. Elizabeth II is Queen of Belize at the moment. It could be changed from light to dark green.
5- Falkland islands: the fact of the sovereignity of the islands doesn't deny the fact that the Falklanders speak English and don't follow Argentinian culture.
6- Jamaica: obvious reasons.
7- Bahamas.
8- Bermuda.
9- Puerto Rico (in light green since Spanish is also an official language)
10- Both Virgin islands.
11- Small islands in the Caribbean: Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Cayman islands, Montserrat, St Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada and Trinidad and Tobago.
I'd definitely take away from the map:
- ABC islands: I don't know why they were put in the map in the very first place (perhaps the creator of the map painted the whole Caribbean...)
- Suriname: the same as ABC islands.
- Panama: the country was conquered and colonized by Spain; it belonged to Colombia; its official language is Spanish (and not both English and Spanish, such as Puerto Rico). In the Wikipedia article about Panama says that 14% of the Panamanians speak English and, as a "note", "many Panamanians are bilingual". 14% is not that much so as to be light-green coloured on the map. Besides, the Panamanian culture is completely different, an English king or queen never ruled Panama, etc. If Panama is coloured maybe we should colour the whole map...what country doesn't have influencies from the English and the US culture? Here in Mexico we have lots of McDonalds, Starbucks, Tommy Hilfiger, etc., and we may say that "many Mexicans are bilingual" since English is taught in most of the schools. In the US-Mexico border the fluency of the English and the dollar is even greater than in Mexico City. So we have to decolour Panama or we would have to colour lots of other LatinAmerican countries.
Lautarocos 05:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the map is basically fine, since it shows the Western hemisphere/Americas and is used elsewhere too. However, I believe it can be improved -- I will work on creating an SVG version with better resolution.  The list above is all fine and good, but is there a list of countries in Anglo-America we can refer to?  In absence of that, I think we would need to consult a listing of countries in the Americas and determine the ones in which English is official or used by the majority.  I think that only two countries should be rendered dark green -- the US and Canada (except for Quebec) -- since the term is sometimes used to refer to those two countries alone (and this is referenced in the article); others in Anglo-America (including Quebec) should be in light green.  Otherwise, we're back to where we started.  Quizimodo 10:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I agree with the dark-green colour used in the US and non-Quebec Canada. I have an idea: is it possible to take a map from the Caribbean from the Caribbean article of Wikipedia and, maybe, mark with a colour the NAME of the country? In that way we will tell people in an accurate way where English culture and language is very important.
Lautarocos 00:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  I'm working on an improved map of the Western Hemisphere.  As well, there appears to be a nifty feature whereby we can place a link (with text) on a specific area of the map -- for instance, look at the third map on the right at Europe.  I'm not totally sure how this works, but maybe we can use that feature here? Quizimodo 00:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  errors in the map? 

message: I completely agree with jbmurray and I'd also add some things:
-Hawaii is coloured on the map!!!!!! If Hawaii is coloured, maybe we should colour all of the US dependencies. I propose to decolour Hawaii from the map because it's not part of America!
-Panama? Panama belonged to Colombia until 1903, was conquered by Spain and its official language is Spanish (only). Panama should be decoloured.
-In the article says: "Suriname is not a part of Anglo-America because Dutch is the official language there, like in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba."...so why are Suriname and the ABC islands coloured???
-Guadeloupe and Maritinique seem to be coloured too.
Should I change the map using Paint? How do you think the map can be corrected?
Lautarocos 01:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi.  It appears that Guyana and Suriname are highlighted (not French Guiana) -- the first is English-speaking.  Dutch is spoken in Suriname, as in the ABC islands.  Apparently, English is common in Panama, despite Spanish being official.  A number of the Antilles are English-speaking, but (in my opinion) the individual islands may be hard to distinguish on this map.  Hawaii, though not technically part of the American landmass, is English-speaking and a part of the United States of America.  Is there a list of territories in Anglo-America we can refer to when/if changing the map?  I suppose the PNG map can be edited using any picture editing programme like Paint.  Quizimodo 02:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I liked the idea of making a list so here it goes:
1- Canada (Quebec could be coloured in light green instead of dark green, as it is now). I agree with you, Quizimodo: maybe the islands might be too difficult to distinguish (so as St. Pierre and Miquelon...)
2- USA, including Alaska but excluding Hawaii. It might be better to get other map of the American continent, so as to exclude Hawaii (because it's not in America but in Oceania) or to not colour Hawaii. I'm just talking about the continents, and not about the fact that Hawaii is, obviously, "Anglo-Oceanic".
3- Guyana: I think it might be dark green because English is the official language in there and the English culture  is important there. Elizabeth II was Queen of Guyana until 1970. 
4- Belize: the same reasons as in Guyana. Elizabeth II is Queen of Belize at the moment. It could be changed from light to dark green.
5- Falkland islands: the fact of the sovereignity of the islands doesn't deny the fact that the Falklanders speak English and don't follow Argentinian culture.
6- Jamaica: obvious reasons.
7- Bahamas.
8- Bermuda.
9- Puerto Rico (in light green since Spanish is also an official language)
10- Both Virgin islands.
11- Small islands in the Caribbean: Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Cayman islands, Montserrat, St Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada and Trinidad and Tobago.
I'd definitely take away from the map:
- ABC islands: I don't know why they were put in the map in the very first place (perhaps the creator of the map painted the whole Caribbean...)
- Suriname: the same as ABC islands.
- Panama: the country was conquered and colonized by Spain; it belonged to Colombia; its official language is Spanish (and not both English and Spanish, such as Puerto Rico). In the Wikipedia article about Panama says that 14% of the Panamanians speak English and, as a "note", "many Panamanians are bilingual". 14% is not that much so as to be light-green coloured on the map. Besides, the Panamanian culture is completely different, an English king or queen never ruled Panama, etc. If Panama is coloured maybe we should colour the whole map...what country doesn't have influencies from the English and the US culture? Here in Mexico we have lots of McDonalds, Starbucks, Tommy Hilfiger, etc., and we may say that "many Mexicans are bilingual" since English is taught in most of the schools. In the US-Mexico border the fluency of the English and the dollar is even greater than in Mexico City. So we have to decolour Panama or we would have to colour lots of other LatinAmerican countries.
Lautarocos 05:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the map is basically fine, since it shows the Western hemisphere/Americas and is used elsewhere too. However, I believe it can be improved -- I will work on creating an SVG version with better resolution.  The list above is all fine and good, but is there a list of countries in Anglo-America we can refer to?  In absence of that, I think we would need to consult a listing of countries in the Americas and determine the ones in which English is official or used by the majority.  I think that only two countries should be rendered dark green -- the US and Canada (except for Quebec) -- since the term is sometimes used to refer to those two countries alone (and this is referenced in the article); others in Anglo-America (including Quebec) should be in light green.  Otherwise, we're back to where we started.  Quizimodo 10:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I agree with the dark-green colour used in the US and non-Quebec Canada. I have an idea: is it possible to take a map from the Caribbean from the Caribbean article of Wikipedia and, maybe, mark with a colour the NAME of the country? In that way we will tell people in an accurate way where English culture and language is very important.
Lautarocos 00:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  I'm working on an improved map of the Western Hemisphere.  As well, there appears to be a nifty feature whereby we can place a link (with text) on a specific area of the map -- for instance, look at the third map on the right at Europe.  I'm not totally sure how this works, but maybe we can use that feature here? Quizimodo 00:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can the map be changed? 

message: World's most powerful actress? That sounds very unencyclopedic. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 19:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angelina Jolie? 

message: "Regardless of their ethnic affiliation in the US, all English speaking North Americans are seen as Anglo abroad."
What on earth does this actually mean and if I understand it as so, I don't think this is true at all!
Caucasian - North Americans are often viewed differently or stereotyped differently abroad, (in East Asia at least)
and what on earth does "abroad" even mean. What a messy statement. Delete or change it to make sense!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.82.14.142 (talk) 08:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's both confusing and false. I've deleted it. > MinnecologiesTalk 01:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing and/or false statement 

message: Francophone Canadians exist outside of Quebec, and Canada is officially bilingual. I agree with using the term "Anglo-American" to mean an anglophone/english speaking American (in the sense of the continent) but using physical geographical boundaries to define the "Anglo-American Area" is incorrect. I would see the term "Anglo-American" as a linguistic and cultural term, representing the common Western culture that has developped in Anglophone speaking North America, not a political or geographical term.  
My analysis would make the three main linguistic/cultural groups Anglophones in the U.S. and Canada, Francophones in Canada (Quebec, Acadia and the rest of Canada, the latter being for the most part descendents of french-canadian trappers and Quebec migrants before the cultural shift), Haiti, and french overseas departments such as Saint-Pierre et Miquelon and Hispanophones in Mexico and the U.S. The Carribean is a more complex situation in this case, but either way, the terms should serve strictly on a personal identity basis for the speakers of English, French or Spanish. 
Swiffer (talk) 08:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Canadians... 

message: In order to include some other countries that don't fit in on the classifications of Latin and Anglo America, like Suriname, Aruba, The Netherlands Antilles, Greenland, etc; this article should be changed to Germanic-America, because English and Dutch are Germanic languages official in some parts of the Americas. --Marmen2010 (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, that language-based classification would be a separate article. > MinnecologiesTalk 20:26, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the article to "Germanic-America" 

message: I'm surprised Puerto Rico isn't included. Puerto Rico is BOTH part of Anglo-America AND Latin America, since English (alongside with Spanish) has been the official language of Puerto Rico since 1898. Kanzler31 (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Anglo America and Latin America are antonyms. So can P.R. really be one *and* the other?  "Latin America" was devised by Napoleon as a way to isolate the British controlled areas. CaribDigita (talk) 00:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puerto Rico.... 

message: That the USA has several states that make up 1/3 of the mainland once conquered, named, and retains strong Latin roots (i.e. California.) Not exactly "Anglo" to me. 108.182.22.10 (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: well no--99.9% of the the Hispanics in California arrived after 1900. Apart from very recent arrivals the great majority speak English. There are strong "roots" only in New Mexico (and Puerto Rico). Rjensen (talk) 01:16, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The irony

message: Why is it called Anglo-America and not Anglo America? like Latin America and not Latin-America? Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.138.171 (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Latin is a whole word used as a modifier, Anglo- is a prefix. --Khajidha (talk) 18:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I understand that Puerto Rico is a unincorporated territory of the United States but that doesn't mean Puerto Rico is considered to be  Anglo-America. First of all, Puerto Rico mostly speaks Spanish, Spanish is like 98 or 99%. Puerto Ricans are known for speaking Spanish in their homeland. There is no such thing as Puerto Rico having English-speaking Puerto Ricans as a great majority in Puerto Rico. It's not like how in Canada, they are English Canadians and French Canadians, not at all. Also, many Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico do not even speak English and when they do, they have a massively weird accent. Puerto Ricans also have Spanish last names as a majority. Also, Puerto Rico was never colonized by the British. Being Anglo, you need to be colonized by the British, the British didn't colonized Puerto Rico and when America got Puerto Rico, America was becoming way more diverse. Due to those reasons, Puerto Rico is not really considered to be part of Anglo-America. It's just Latin America. It's also not a good example of Anglo-America at all.( Mikeis1996 (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Puerto Rico is next to Cuba? I'd like to see that map! - BilCat (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puerto Rico being considered as Anglo-America? 

message: The Mesquite coast in eastern NIcaragua/Honduras is also English-speaking even though the entire country isnot.Lihaas (talk) 03:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete 

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message: Since the article on Latin America doesnt want Quebec can we add Quebec to Anglo america? 2A01:11:220:2B10:D8AF:2D3:846F:491A (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we add quebec to anglo america?