Talk:MacOS/Archive 4

message: I have to wonder, why both the Linux and Mac OS X entries have absolutely no mention of OS criticisms at all? The first person that says they are perfect are nothing more than fanboi's...
--Evil.Merlin 20:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no criticisms?

message: "Officially pronounced Mac O S Ten" (or "Oh Ess", I suppose, but IMO that looks a bit goofy) is probably as good and succinct as we're going to get.  Trying to explain roman numerals in parentheses at the very beginning of the article looks messy.  This is covered well in the Naming section in the article, anyhow.  Nobody knows how the hell IPA works, either, so it wouldn't aid in understanding by the average reader.  The word "Officially" is vital... it states that this is how Apple says it, but also has a subtle implication that there are non-official ways of pronounciation, too.  We also get into that in the Naming section.
Again, bear in mind that this is a WP:LEAD section -- stating the pronounciation is a good thing to do (because it's not obvious to someone not familiar with the subject), but we don't need to explain it any further right away... relative to Mac OS X as an entire subject, it doesn't merit more than a few words in the lead.  -/- Warren 03:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it Mac OS X (mac os eks, something like that)?--Emx 17:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its not pronounced as an X but as a 10, as it is a roman numeral. — Wackymacs 18:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Quite a lot of folks pronounce it "Mac Oh Ess Ex", or "Oh Ess Ex" for short, both inside and outside Apple.  However, I believe the official pronuciation is likely "Mac Oh Ess Ten". Stattenf 04:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redux

message: I've noticed that the Apple logo and the Spotlight thingy in the menubar are now slightly smaller. Has anyone else noticed this? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 00:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in UI as of 10.4.7? 

message: yeah, they said at this site (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teB3cgZGcw) you can do it, how do i do it?
: Sorry to tell you this but...that's fake. The iPod doesn't use a touch screen for a start does it? — Wackymacs 12:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac OS X on an iPod? 

message: Apple has announced that they are hosting the source for Darwin (including the XNU kernel) for Intel at MacOSForge.org. There should be no question now as to whether Darwin is open source (it definitely is). MFNickster 06:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darwin kernel on Intel redux 

message: The four toolkits bit in the PowerPC section is confusing at the end, because the section talks about Cocoa in the beginning, then Java, and then Cocoa-Java/Java-Cocoa being deprecated.  It can seem like the last two sentences (coming as they do immediately following the the Java platform bit) mean that  Apple deprecated Java on Mac OS X rather than Java as a language to use when writing Cocoa apps.
Lots of people are confused by this already, and re-arranging those sentences (perhaps a new subsection on languages used to write Cocoa apps and featuring all of the languages-to-Cocoa bridges--PyObjC bridge, camelbones [perl], RubyCocoa [Ruby] and Cocoa-Java) would be a better way to discuss the end of Cocoa-Java without fostering confusion over the state of Java proper on Mac OS X. —4.249.117.104 06:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fostering Cocoa-Java vs Java confusion 

message: Saying the GUI is Quartz Compositor is like saying that, for example, the GUI of Ubuntu is X11 rather than GNOME or of DesktopBSD is X11 rather than KDE.  As Apple's Graphics & Imaging Overview says, "The Quartz Compositor windowing service provides low-level functionality including window buffering, event handling and dispatch, and the translucent and drop shadow effects found in the Aqua user interface.".  It doesn't include the widgets (Carbon+Cocoa), file manager (Finder), the Dock, the menu bar+menu extras (SystemUIServer), clipboard (pasteboard server), etc., just as X11 provides low-level functionality but doesn't provide the widgets (GTK+/Qt/etc.), much less even higher-level functions such as the file manager (Nautilus/Konqueror/etc.), task bar, panel, etc.. 
I'm not sure whether Apple have a name for the full panoply of software that would correspond to all the GNOME/KDE/etc. software. If it shouldn't be called "Aqua", perhaps it should be called the "Mac OS X native GUI" (which sounds a bit redundant in an infobox about OS X or OS X Server, but...)? Guy Harris 20:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Apple have a name for the whole thing.  Perhaps we should either remove UI from the template or just go with what Windows XP has: "graphical user interface".  AlistairMcMillan 21:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the GUI 

message: How many people think that the main image should be changed to a Leopard shot.  I realize it is only in prerelease stage, but seeing as apple is now pushing leopard on their site it would seem appropriate.  When you go to the OS X page on Apple's site it redirects to Leopard.  TrevorLSciAct 02:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Image