Talk:Islamic state

message: I considered merging Islamic state  with Islamic republic.  "Islamic state" (as it stands in this article) could be the introdutory section to Islamic Republic - an article which currently has zero explanatory or historical discussion of the origin of the concept. Both these terms in their modern sense originated with the same thinkers (Sayyid Qutb of Egypt, Maududi of India, Khomeini of Iran, etc.). 
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia is a "Kingdom", which is arguably a state that is as "Islamic" and shari'a-based as Iran or Pakistan.  Also, there may be Islamic revolutionary movements which call for states that are not "republics", but have failed.  Let's keep Islamic state separate from Islamic republic.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningya (talk • contribs) 18:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamic State vs. Islamic Republic?

message: How can somalia be considered "islamic state religion" if there is no state in the first place?--Ssteiner209 (talk) 22:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Somalia is a state, despite the fact that its government exerts next to no control, and it has none of the functioning apparatus of a normal state. A failed state is still a state Grunners (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somalia 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Islamic state's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "newname":
From 2014 Northern Iraq offensive: Iraq crisis: Isis declares its territories a new Islamic state with 'restoration of caliphate' in Middle East - Middle East - World - The Independent
From Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Islamic state]] 

message: "The Islamic State", I think, used to direct to the page for The Islamic State. Now it goes here, a page which doesn't appear to have any content relevant to it.  The page for The Islamic State (renamed to something that is not the group's current name) agrees that the group is called The Islamic State, but other people don't like that name.  Since when does liking a group's name have anything to do with whether it is, in fact, the group's name?  
In any case, people looking for The Islamic State will be sent here to this page, so it ought to either include The Islamic State as a subsection, or it should direct people to the correct page, using the group's own English name for itself, not a name chosen by others. 24.57.218.21 (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a hatnote at the top of the page to that effect. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Islamic State" refers to a specific "Islamic State" and should redirect to Islamic state (disambiguation).  GregKaye 13:59, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no The Islamic State (evidently referring to ISIL). Legacypac (talk) 22:24, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Islamic State - this isn't it 

message: The text in the article: "The term caliphate refers to the first system of government established by Muhammad in 622 CE, under the Constitution of Medina." is inaccurate. The prophet created 'Ad-Dawla An-Nabawwiyah' (الدولة النبوية) in Medina in 1 H (622 C), while the caliphate 'al-khilafah' (الخلافة) or literally 'successorate' (a word needed to be coined to give the closest meaning of the word in Arabic), succeeded it after the prophet's death a decade later in 11 H (632 C). The difference between the two is that in the former. the Nabawate, was pioneering: the prophet defined the principles of shoura & justice in state in Islam as per the God's revelation which was according to His Will & please Him to admit the believers to His Paradise; while the latter, the caliphate, simply followed it with 'ijtihad' (mental self-striving) on basis of Koran, tradition, ijmaa & qiyas in matters which were encountered a new.78.93.211.105 (talk) 08:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prophetic State in Medina was 'Nabawate', Not Caliphate, Which Followed It 

message: Where does the modern Islamic State expression comes from?
It is used in the lead of the article.
Then it appears in two sections:
* 1 The historical Islamic state
* 2 The modern Islamic state
And it says: «The very term, 'Islamic State', was never used in the theory or practice of Muslim political science, before the twentieth century," according to Pakistani scholar of Islamic history Qamaruddin Khan.
The modern conceptualization of the "Islamic state" is attributed to Abul A'la Maududi (1903–1979)».
This makes 
* I do not understand why the first title should be The historical Islamic state rather than historical.
* I do not understand why to choose the unique section title modern Islamic state instead of a several concrete sections title such as executive power / parliamentary role / judicial system.
* I do not understand which period is covered by the modern term?
Additionally I wonder if there is no missing a international involvment section to link to Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam.
Comparatively, the democracy article :
* stand that (in its history section) The term "democracy" first appeared in ancient Greek political and philosophical thought in the city-state of Athens during classical antiquity.
* does not contain a modern democracy section, although there is a modern era subsection in its history section. 86.67.202.222 (talk) 09:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  modern Islamic State 

message: :Islamic state →  – This type of move request was made 1 year ago but that time word "Islamic state" was not commonly used for Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant(ISIS). But today term "Islamic state" (either "capital" or "small") mainly refers to ISIS. We can see many examples of use of term "Islamic state" for "ISIS" by world's leading English news papers. I will provide one example of each news, BBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Telegraph, The Times of India, Dawn, Al Jazeera, The Gaurdian. These are just few examples and I can provide more. Search term "Islamic state" is for "ISIS" and not for to learn government type of same name. Thanks.-- Human3015TALK  21:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is not part of any planning to rename ISIL to Islamic State. As I gave so many examples which are exclusively using words "Islamic state" for ISIS. As I said I can give hundreds of other news which are using "Islamic state" for ISIS, also there are hundreds of non-English sources too. I just requested move because I wanted to get info about ISIS and I typed "Islamic state" on google as it is common term for ISIS but I got this page as top Wikipedia result for "Islamic state". Many people will get confuse , so I requested this move thinking that people should know that this article is not about ISIS but it is about "government type". --Human3015TALK  23:55, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a hat note at the top of the article which accomplishes that. Willondon (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 6 October 2015 

message: Hi, can anyone help in the discussion at Talk:Theocracy#ISIL? An editor has removed ISIS from theocracy, claiming it is not a government and thus cannot be a theocracy. I find that a little strange, and so I hope some people here might have more experience and perhaps some helpful references. Thanks, SemanticMantis (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISIS a state/ theocracy? 

message: If it should be spoken to motives the terrorists and suspected terrorists. Dan, is threatened with torture and unmänschliche treatments, although moment during a long time in prison, do not represent the final motive. With only one drug (for example, prednisolone) obtain the judicial and investigative authorities almost unlimited possibilities to manipulate the physical and spiritual condition. The fear to inflict pain, etc..
Since force helps in België law. do not prohibit this torture. secretly not to children not to pregnant Frauen.Diese get prednisolone along with others.
The state refused hard square the set EU Convention on Human Rights to sign.109.129.80.203 (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  again (22/mars 2016), the us with needle - attacked bombs! 

message: .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.230.12.99 (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isa Ibn Maryam 

message: I don't see the helpfulness of this edit. It simply copies and pastes material that is already (and more relevantly) covered at Taliban. The information included does not attempt to make any connection to the idea of Islamic state, which makes it somewhat WP:COATRACK-y. Therefore I'm removing it.VR talk 21:36, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy and paste 

message: my name is m Rizwan 101.53.241.123 (talk) 21:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't see the helpfulness of this edit. It simply copies and pastes material that is already (and more relevantly) covered at Taliban. The information included does not attempt to make any connection to the idea of Islamic state, which makes it somewhat WP:COATRACK-y. Therefore I'm removing it.VR talk  

message: My name is m Rizwan 101.53.241.123 (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 18:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Islamic state →  – There is an article called Islamic State (capital S) referring to the terrorist organization, and an article called Islamic state (lowercase S) referring to the government type. I do not think that these titles are meaningfully disambiguated. (WP:DAB) JohnR1Roberts (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 April 2024