Talk:Larisa Arap

message: I find it very and very strange that all the western press lifted up this flap on the international level just because of "some unknown" Larisa Arap. And let me explain why I find it more than strange:
In russia I'm persued by former kgb in all the ways for about 7 years and the appropriated organizations from western countries perfectly know that. But instid of simple assistance or even staying apart from all of this, they all have shited on me in all the ways what placed me into the situation when I'm surrounded by the enemies from all the sides.
Thus the simple and the correct questions would be: what is so special with this Larisa Arap?
And the most correct answer could be: she is simply the agent of some western intelligence. That will explain the behavior of both parts. 
Another similar situation with some journalist(female) who recently got the political assylum in the USA. But the point is that ... you can not get the political assylum in the states before your case is considered in the USA!
I underwent the same pressure as that journalist, but instead of political assylum I got hard pressure from the western countries.
It shows that that journalist who got the political assylum is simply the agent of the CIA.
Just so everyone knows, this is where I started writing, and this is a response to the above text, not a continuation by the same author.  My username is Gagnradr.
I'm new to wikipedia, so bear with me please.  There are strange things I see in this Larisa Arap.  I myself am terrified of the concept of involuntary commitment.  Many, many countries including western and Eastern have both horrifically abused people in mental asylums, and later admitted it.  Although it has probably improved, this case should be an obvious flag of need for deep, open investigation.  This woman wrote a book about how horrible a specific mental hospital was, and then was involuntarily committed there!!!!!!!  You do not find that strange?  I say that entire hospital should have two or three serious investigations go on in it to see what's really happening there.  I do not think this is just western propaganda, or that she is "the agent of some western intelligence", but if she really is a secret agent, why is she put in a mental hospital?  Is that what the normal thing to do to CIA agents?  Instead of legally and openly prosecuting them upon discovery, they are put in mental asylums?  That sounds like sheer madness!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gagnradr (talk • contribs) 16:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand your excitement. Such things are happening every day in Russia, just like in the former Soviet Union. This is very simple. Sending someone to the hospital is very easy and cheap. Convicting an innocent person in a court costs a little bit more.Biophys (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That sounds quite believable. Now as to the 'agents' and the paranoid-sounding post above, that stuff seems ridiculous to the point of warranting treatment for the authors. Rubbish... Russia today is a multi-ethnic country with its fair share of street crime and of immigrants that most local eyewitnesses are unable to discern, much less identify. Whatever happened to the cheap'n'easy "mugging gone wrong, one fatal stabbing victim, perpetrator identified only as dark-haired man of medium build and unknown origin in a leather jacket" solution to anyone that really gets on a government's nerves that much???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.167.100.243 (talk) 02:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Strange things with this Larisa Arap

message: 2007-08-09 18:25:43
Dear Sirs!
The article " Арап, Лариса Ивановна" www. WIKIPEDIA.com in russ ready to delete./ will be probably delete 13.08.07/Статья " Арап, Лариса Ивановна" www. WIKIPEDIA.com in russ выставлена к удалению
English mirror site "Larisa Arap" available.
DISCATION RUSSIAN GURUS-took part all the same names , as case delete art. "Отравление Александра Литвиненко" . Use all the same words .
Ну дык. Многим только повод нужен, чтобы снова поднять вой о «кровавом путинском режиме». Самостоятельной значимостью эта тётка не обладает. --the wrong man 21:35, 6 августа 2007 (UTC)
Удавить. Не проходит ВП:БИО. Создавать статьи по принципу «утром в газете — вечером в куплете википедии» считаю неправильным. Через год про эту психованную тётку никто и не вспомнит. --the wrong man 21:14, 6 августа 2007 (UTC)
Удалить. Кажется, готовы раздуть банальную госпитализацию поциентки с манией высочества до огромных размеров. Через месяц всё забудется. --/Pauk 08:13, 7 августа 2007 (UTC)
ALSO http://www.rufront.ru/materials/46B0E37CCB691.html
Thank you Boris Paramonow:-) 84.9.150.234 16:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Asficiton (Удавить) of the atricle at ru.wiki

message: The Russian version of this article has problems. You have no need to speak Russian in order to see, that the same users suggest the removal (удалить) or asphyxia (удавить), and then edit the article, justifying the removal. If you are interested to keep Wikipedia as international project, please, visit the Russian version and look, what is happening there. dima 04:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not remove the article

message: While this article is up for deletion review, I would respectfully request that any further edits be placed here, where someone who is a native English editor can properly convert them and then place them into the article. I've spent a good deal of time working on cleaning this article up, because it was seriously compromised by the translation issue. Since the article is being reviewed for deletion, it would be helpful if future edits were in proper English so the article continues to improve. This is in no way an insult, or a request to stop editing, but simply a request for the duration of the deletion review, and to allow a translator to assist with the re-writing of the article, should it be kept. I will pledge to check this page and add comments, and properly format them per the manual of style as they are added here. Most sincerely, Ariel♥Gold 23:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: I'll do my best under each line in italics Ariel♥Gold
Automatic translation below looks horrible. I post it as is, and then I try to improve it. dima 03:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Translatiom

message: Okay, let me just explain one thing, every title of a person, or every city doesn't need the Russian translation following it. We must remember this is the English Wikipedia, and thus, those things simply serve to make the article "Messy" and distracting. It is hard for a reader to have to skip over something like (Мурманская областная психиатрическая больница) following a word. My suggestion is to have the initial mention of Larisa's name get a translation, and the initial mention of the hospital and city, but none after that. Certainly doesn't need to be done for every person mentioned in the article, or every position that they fulfill. That's the point of translation. :) 
So, he's not the head-doctor guy, he's the supervising physician, that's fine. I'd suggest we do this throughout the entire article, remove all the Russian translations of items/places/people/names. Personally, I find it extremely hard to understand anything when every few words is a line of Russian, lol. 
So, how about this: 
Evgeny Enin, the supervising physician for Murmansk Regional Psychiatric Clinic in Apatity, refused requests for information regarding Larisa's treatment, and refused to discuss the matter with Larisa directly. 
That is much easier for normal non-Russian speaking (or reading) users to read, and much less distracting. If you have no objections, go ahead and remove all the Russian, except for Larisa's initial name, the initial mention of the hospital, and her husband and daughter. Other than those items, the rest is not integral to the understanding of the article, and indeed, no translations into Russian would be needed, but it can be done simply as a consideration for readers who may understand it. When you're translating it, there's no reason for you to put the Russian term in parentheses () following the word. Since I'm helping you, we can go through the article sentence by sentence if you like, and make sure it is all correct. Or, you can remove the Russian yourself, and see how it reads after you do that, even you may find it easier to spot errors in my translation that way. Sound like a good idea? Ariel♥Gold 04:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ArielGold, Sorry, I removed a dot from the text without to discuss with you. (Then I remembered your suggestion and come here.) About messy Russian repetition, it was necessary at the debugging of the article. As I understand, you want Murmansk to be clickable only at its first appearance in the text.. May be you are right, but I would not do that. Some readers begin from the end or even from the middle. As for Russian terms in parenthesis, I suggest a compromise: we make them references, footnotes. How do you like this?dima 07:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no big errors. I would remove a dot ecah time when it appears before a reference. dima 07:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New section for ease of reply

message: Molobo had mentioned the Polish media, but I did not find the reference. Where is it?dima 07:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: polish media??

message: I'm just going to paste what I did here. It is getting too messy but eh, we can archive if needed. Ariel♥Gold 09:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blah, edit crossings

message: Conversation on the telephone of Corresoindent of Novaya Gazeta to  Yevgeny YENIN 
(i.o. of the head physician of the Murmansk regional psychiatric hospital at Apatity) 
— Евгений Николаевич, я журналист «Новой газеты» и хотел бы попросить у вас комментарий по поводу госпитализации Ларисы Арап.
- Yevgeny Nikolayevich, I am  journalist of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta, and I would like to ask for your commentary with respect to the hospitalization of Larissa Arap. 
— Я не могу комментировать. Закон запрещает мне даже сообщать о факте нахождения здесь больной. Это медицинская тайна. Посмотрите ст. 9 Закона о психиатрической помощи.
- I cannot comment on. The Law forbids to me even to report about the fact of the presence here of the patient. This is medical secret. Look art. 9 of the Law On thepsychiatric aid.
— Но это общеизвестный факт, что она здесь находится.
- but this is the well-known fact that she is here.
— Может быть, но я не имею права это подтверждать.
- it can be so, but I  do not have the right to confirm this.
— Мы хотим представить в нашей газете разные точки зрения об этом случае, а не только мнения правозащитников. Разве вы не заинтересованы в том, чтобы информация была объективной?
- We want to present in our newspaper the different points of view about this case, not only the opinions of human right defenders. Aren't you interested, that in the information would be neutral?
— Я не могу давать сведения о больных. Вы сейчас спросите ее диагноз.
- I cannot give data regarding patients, or their diagnoses.
— Я не спрашиваю ее диагноз и назначенное лечение, я не прошу вас выдавать медицинскую тайну. Скажите только, сейчас, с вашей точки зрения, Арап представляет угрозу для себя или окружающих?
- I do not ask its diagnosis and the treatment assigned, I do not ask you to reveal the medical secret. Say only, now Ambiguis espression. Now might mean, that the correspondent want the answer now. In this context, it may mean, that the correspondent asks about present state of the patient., from your point of view, is Arap dangerous for herself or surrounding? 
— Без комментариев. Это относится к медицинской тайне.
- No comments. This refer to the medical secret.
— А каков прогноз, когда ее выпустят?
- What is forecast, when will she be released?
— Я об этом тоже не могу говорить. Никаких вопросов о конкретных больных. Я могу с вами говорить только на общечеловеческие темы.
- Again, I cannot comment about this. No questions about patients. With you, I can talk only in general-human topic. 
— Хорошо, вопрос на общечеловеческую тему: скажите, а как вы лично относитесь к фактам использования психиатрии в политических целях в СССР?
- Well, the question on the general-human topic: say, what is your personal attitude to the facts use of psychiatry for political purposes in the CCCP? 
— Я могу судить только по сообщениям в прессе, но если такое в Советском Союзе действительно было, то я возмущен.
- I can judge only by the communications in the press, but if such things in the Soviet Unionwas actually took place, I am horrified.
— А вы не думаете, что такое может повториться и сегодня?
- Don't you think that this can be repeated today?
— Может быть, где-нибудь теоретически такое и может повториться, но у нас этого нет, в нашей больнице нет.
- there can be, somewhere, theoretically such can be repeated, but we do not have this, in our hospital – no.
— То есть случай с Ларисой Арап вы не относите к таким?
- i.e., the case with Larissa Arap, you do qualify it in such a way?
— Частные случаи не комментирую.
-I cannot comment on specific cases.
— А я могу поговорить с ней по телефону?
- Can I talk  to her by telephone?
— Не можете. Неизвестно, захочет ли она с вами разговаривать, и вообще для этого нужно согласие ее представителей. Вот сегодня у нас будут здесь представители из Комитета здравоохранения, которые курируют больницу, из прокуратуры и с ними журналисты. Читайте, что они напишут.
- No, you can not. It is unknown, weather she wants to talk with you; and, generally, for this, is necessary the agreement of her representatives. Today, we have here representatives from the committee of public health, which treat hospital, from the procuratorship and with them journalists.
Read, that they will write.
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Above, it is my new intent to translate the dialogue. I think, it was error, to use the machine translation.dima 10:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2007/58/16.html transcript]

message: Dima, don't worry so much about this. The truth is, it cannot be put into the article. While it can be mentioned that this employee/doctor of the hospital was asked about the patient by the media, it is not appropriate to put a transcript of such a thing in an article. Truly don't worry so much about it :) Basically, the press asked this doctor to talk about Larissa, and he said over and over "No comment", "I can't talk about a patient's condition" and "I can't talk about it". That is normal for any country, as medical laws do indeed forbid a doctor from disclosing any information regarding patients unless someone has a court order or such. So don't stress it, basically the line is already in the article, it already says that he was asked to comment and wouldn't. Ariel♥Gold
:Ariel, I did the translation not for the article, I did it for you, after to see, how wrong is the automatic translation, and how heavy were your efforts to understand the text by bot-translator. Making the translation, I understand better the sense of the dialogue. From my point of view, the key points are: (1) The psychiatrist rejects the intent of the correspondent to talk with Larisa,  and (2) unability to answere the question, weather Larisa is dangerous for herself and surrounding people. Now you can mention this in the article. You can mention these two points in the article. dima 23:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of Russian names ot Russian institutions do not allow the refersible translation. Most of Russian names ro not allow reversibel transliteration. For example
(I exagerrate), if President of United Nations comes to the clynic at Apatity (if he finds it, translating the name of organization from English to Russian), and says, that he wants to see Yulya Kopyia, it is difficult to guess (especially without will to guess well), that he means (Копыйя, Юлия Игоревна). I can move the Russian spellings into footnotes, how to you like this?dima 00:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, publications specify the age of Larisa: some say 48; then, some say 49. This means that during July, she become 49. These two data allow to estimate the data of her birth: July of 1958. We should specify at least the birthyear in the article. dima 00:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I waited for your condirmation. OK, I go through the article. dima 00:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: This story is painful to try to read, because of its strange sentence structure,  and because of all the unnecessary Cyrillic words to show us what every person and place name looks like in Russian. Please take a look at coverage in the English language press and base the article on it. This will allow the article to be re-written by persons fluent in English. The facts can be checked by those who are fluent in Russian against the Russian articles. See  The Independent,  "Russian dissident 'forcibly detained in mental hospital'" by By Alastair Gee, 30 July 2007. See  "Activist sent to mental clinic: Russian opposition" in Washington Post, By Olesya Dmitracova, from the Reuters press wire service, Monday, July 30, 2007. See  "Russian dissidents called mentally ill. Soviet-era practice revived, activists say." by Alex Rodriguez, the Chicago Tribune, August 7, 2007. See  "Russian Dissident Forced Into Mental Hospital." by Adrian Blomfeld, The Daily Telegraph, (reprinted in the New York Sun) July 31, 2007. See  "U.S. Consul Not Planning to Visit Journalist Larisa Arap at Mental Hospital." Interfax wire service, 2 August 2007, 21:19 CDT.  See  "Psychiatric abuse claim in Russia . Russia's official human rights investigator says it will investigate allegations of psychiatric abuse against an opposition activist." BBC news, Wednesday, 1 August 2007, 14:15 GMT 15:15 UK . See  "Appeal as Russian writer is held in psychiatric clinic." by Chris Stephen, The Scotsman, 
July 30, 2007. See also the article Psikhushka about the former Soviet and present Russian government's use of psychiatric hospitals to silence opposition voices. If Ms. Arap is judged non-notable, then this could be Smerged (shortened and merged) into that article.  Edison 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, and yes, we're working on it, but as the article is up for AfD, rather than put all the time into something that may be deleted, we're working things out here, and if the article is kept, we'll re-write it completely. Most definitely as I've explained above, the Russian words need to be removed. But I completely appreciate you listing all those English references, omg that helps SO much! And as I noted on the AfD page, we do have to keep the perspective of "future" notability in mind, so if this does end up not being notable, it could (and should) be merged into another article, the one you suggest looks like a good fit. Thank you so much! Ariel♥Gold 19:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: English language sources would improve article

message: Dear 
*Arkady D.Rubin 
*A.V.Onegin
*Evgeny Zenin
*Yulya Kopyia
*Olga Reshet
*Maria Rekish 
*L.G.Pasechnaya
Will you indicate, please, if any misspelling in the English transliteration of in your names takes place. dima 07:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arkady D.Rubin, A.V.Onegin, Evgeny Zenin, Yulya Kopyia, Olga Reshet, Maria Rekish, L.G.Pasechnaya

message: Dima, as you've noticed, Biophys has come to rescue me . Since s/he is much more versed in Russian culture and language than I, s/he's agreed to assist with the article. 
I'd like to note to you that in all probability, those people you are listing above do not read Wikipedia, and this is the English Wikipedia, so the spelling of their names in Russian is irrelevant. Biophys can assist you with the English translations of their names. I will check back periodically, but here are the things that I see need to be done: 
*The references section needs all Russian-language references removed. References need to be useful to the reader, and the majority of English Wiki users will not speak or read Russian. 
*I personally think the article should be completely re-written from scratch, using only English articles as references, and removing the "timeline" section, incorporating that into the "history" section as prose. 
*The first sentence in the "History" section should be re-written, removing the Russian text. It means nothing to an English reader. If the name is not translatable, simply say "in an article". 
*I'd also suggest moving the "Reasons for hospitalization" section into the main section, perhaps re-titling "History" into something else. 
I'd like to see those changes made, as it will make the article much more reader-friendly, as well as improve clarity. As it is now, it is still basically the backbone of the original, and thus, pretty muddy. Of course ultimately, it is up to those working on it, but I've watched this from nearly day one, as you know, and I've seen it evolve. It is still a difficult read, and not really one that "grabs" the reader to continue reading. Mainly this is due to the format of the article, and the writing style as it is mostly translated text, and there isn't a lot that you can do with that, it ends up feeling disjointed. 
I'll check back in, and you can always grab me on my talk page if you need anything. Ariel♥Gold 02:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to improve this article, but my time is very limited. Dima did good job by collecting information from many Russian language sources. I believe such sources can and should be used to some degree, although you are right in general.Biophys 03:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree they can be helpful, but would better be served in a separate section, such as "Russian References", and not used as footnotes in the article itself. For the main article, the English references should be used. But yes, I agree they could be added for any user who may be able to read them. And again, Biophys, my sincere thanks for your assistance! Ariel♥Gold 03:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems you are right. I copied text with Russian references here. If Dima wants, he can reinsert some of this stuff back.Biophys 13:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rcover the references to other vikis (even those which are in Russian, those which are not friendly, and those ehich are not "neutral") not linked automaticallu with interviki. I do not want the edition war, so, I suggest this here. dima 19:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dima, you are welcome to recover the references with text. Just add whatever you think should be added to current version and make sure that you have a coherent text without obvious repeats. Besides, some portions of the text are already outdated. As for references to wikis, they are not considered reliable sources. But you can include them in "External links" section - no problem. When you are using Russian language sources, please provide English translation of the title and authors. Happy editing. Biophys 20:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note for Dima

message: Much more coherent with regards to the headers and sections. Much better without the Russian references. While I agree they can be of some use, they don't belong in the "references" section, but would fit in a "Russian language references" section. You guys have done a great job re-writing this, Kudos! Ariel♥Gold 22:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked again today, and by golly this is amazing, compared to what it was when I started work on it, this is simply fantastic, and just a huge thanks to both Dima, and Biophys for their tireless work cleaning it up, making it presentable and readable, as well as interesting! Just an excellent job to all who participated! And the references section is just beautiful! Well done! Ariel♥Gold 04:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Looks MUCH better!

message: Участие психиатра Ольги Рашет как первого врача инициировавшего госпитализацию госпожи Л. Арап подтверждается фотокопией 
 решения суда /18 07.2007-Мурманск/ о насильной госпитализации. Подпись " Решет О" -как представителя Североморска стоит второй после подписи судьи Пасечной Л.Г. Thank you:)	
 	
Lot of mistakes in press now who is who -Olga Reshet and  Marina Reckesh
Participation psychiatrist Olga Rashet as the first doctor initiating hospitalization Mrs. L. Arap confirmed photocopies 
 judgement / 18 07.2007- Murmansk / of the forced hospitalization. Signed "Reshet O" - as the representative of Severomorsk is the second after the signature of Judge Pasechnoy L. G.
Thank you:-)  Zasdcxz 20:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zasdcxz, please feel free to edit whatever you want. I will correct you a little you if something is wrong.Biophys 21:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is Marina Rekish doctor at Apatity clinic? dima 11:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lot of mistakes in press NOW who is who -Olga Reshet and  Marina Reckesh

message: See here for Putin's next target. Malick78 (talk) 10:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Roman Nikolaichik]] - the next target

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