Talk:Kobe Bryant/Archive 2

message: I agree totally.  But since Wikipedia's such a shitty source of information, it still hasn't been highlighted in the article.  Also the 'rape' case and the 'shaq-thing' are place ahead of all other NBA milestones that Mr. Bryant has set.  It seems that there is an attempt by Wikipedia to magnify this man's personal issues.
Well, he is after all a selfish gunner who is reviled by his teamates. At least he bought his wife a nice ring after he raped that girl.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.245.41 (talk) 09:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 All-Star Game 

message: Some of these section names are whack. "Unquestioned leader" doesn't sound very professional. Tayquan 05:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  couldn't agree more Z3u2 18:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That needs to go then. How about "Post-O'Neal era"? Or something like dat? Tayquan 05:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something, anything.  The section names violate NPOV.  --Chancemichaels 03:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section names

message: i've removed Free throws attempted
Quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks).'''
because shaq had way more in a quarter (25) during a 2000 playoff game against the blazers.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2000/05/20/lakers-blaze000520.html
Most of the references shown next to each so-called "records" are just a game recap/scorebox, which doesn't say it is "indeed" a record.
How i figure it is that some fans, see Kobe's stat in a game with high numbers in a certain category, they think it "must" be a record, so they just put it up on wikipedia and ref it to the boxscore.
I'm trying to find better references to some of the so called records, but if i cannot find any, i will proceed to remove them since it's not verifiable.
Z3u2 05:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a big fan of the long list of records, but it should be noted here that as far as NBA record keeping goes, playoff records and regular season records are kept differently.  If a record isn't explicitly stated as a playoff record, then it's referring to regular season games only.  I don't know whether Bryant's 16 is the franchise record or not, but if the only basis for nixing it is that O'Neal had more in a playoff game, then that's not valid. Mwelch 05:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove franchise record 

message: I think it would be a good idea if everybody just backed off and took a breather. I know there are heated points on both sides, but an edit war will only draw one of us back, and eventually get the topic locked. Nobody wants that. So let's just slow down a bit and not make any edits without discussing them first. Thanks Sue Rangell[citation needed] 23:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Err . . . to what edit warring are you referring?  Other than reverting the constant vandalism (and one other edit that was quite reasonably reverted because the user added an item to the trivia section that was already discussed in detail within the article body), there hasn't been any edit warring on this page lately (looking for some wood upon which to knock as I type that, cuz goodness knows it's indeed been a problem in the past).  There are points on "both sides" of what?  About what is it that you're talking?  Mwelch 03:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: When did he first start playing basketball? The earliest mention of him playing basketball is at the high school level. Did he ever play basketball in Italy as a kid or just soccer? MahangaTalk to me 01:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: first started playing basketball?

message: To User:Duece22: Please stop adding your content to the lead. It is excessively long and poorly written, and a number of editors have reverted it already. Your actions are bordering on vandalism. Simishag 18:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to lead

message: This talk page is getting really big. I propose archiving the older portions of it. I think we can archive anything before the "2007 All-Star Game" section. Simishag 18:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Zodiiak 20:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Archived. Zodiiak 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Simishag, feel free to just archive talk pages on your own in the future.  It doesn't need to be discussed ahead of time. :-) --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 08:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to archive talk page

message: Can we get semi-protection on this page? It's hard to read through the page history with all the new accounts and anons clogging up the edit history with nonsense.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  I suggest posting it at WP:RFPP next time in order for your request to get higher visibility. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Tayquan hollaMy work 05:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protection?

message: This section needs to go.  Tayquan hollaMy work 12:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll remove it in a week if it's not discussed.  Tayquan hollaMy work 05:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge the noteable aspects into the article and remove the subsection, as opposed to just removing everything. Zodiiak 22:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant.  Tayquan hollaMy work 14:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I did it might need a little work. Looks Ok though.  Tayquan hollaMy work 20:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other notable events

message: See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf. Quadzilla99 11:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User RfC related to this article 

message: I deleted some of it, more needs to go. Trevor GH5 01:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Emmy might be important, if it's true that he did win an Emmy. Trevor GH5 01:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: The stats table should include his field goal percentage. Trevor GH5 05:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: I wonder if the editors currently involved in such issues as what constitutes an "award" and whether scoring average in a month is a legitimate statistic wouldn't consider talking the issue out here, so that  an editorial consensus can be accurately gauged and demonstrated? (I think I have a decent idea what the consensus will be, but it's a lot easier to point to it definitively when everyone's comments are visible in full on the talk page, rather than as just a string of reversions and counter-reversions with edit summaries that are subject to length restrictions.) Mwelch 23:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's an award?  What's a legit statistic? 

message: Wow, just one short paragraph (4 sentences) mentioning the fact that he won 3 championships; equaling the amount of mentioning that he gets for being frustrated with the Lakers and wanting a trade (before any actual trade happens, no less). You guys are great. Seriously. (Viewport 22:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Championship years 

message: Someone needs to add onto the article under 2006-07. LIKE on JUNE 18, 2007
a website with the title named thekobevideo.com
appeared where the guys caught kobe in public spouting about the lakers and Andrew Bynum, and they are now selling if for $1.99 and they need 50K copies sold.
It is all over ESPN!!
:Read this please. TayquanhollaMy work 02:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Put the thekobevideo.com in the article!!

message: A tell all book about the rape case has been published and is available as of June 2007
you can visit www.kobe-rape.com for more info. The book alleges that Kobe raped the victim and then planned her murder.
I already added it onto the kobe sexual assault page, maybe it should be added here too.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.240.244 (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2007
You do realize that, that's not an impartial source....Kwame1234 15:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Women Tell No tales and www.kobe-rape.com

message: She keeps deleting the Link and info about the book Dead Women Tell No Tales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case and wrongfully claims it's "spamming". Clearly she's just a kobe fan who wants to hide information.
Please another admin report her, you can't just delete reliable source like that or info about the BOOK. It's part of the AFTERMATH of the case.
:1) Please see the talk page for that article, which is a more appropriate place to discuss this.
:2) Please see the talk page for Ohnoitsjamie, which is a more appropriate place to discuss this.
:3) Please see WP:DR which will inform you of the proper routes to handle your disputes.
:4) Please see WP:RS and be sure to take note of the world "reliable".  Not just published, but "reliable".  Do the author and/or the Swiss publishing company behind him meet the standards outlined there?  (I'm not declaring that they do not; I'm just saying that you need to be able to credibly assert that they do.)  What is the publisher's reputation for editorial oversight and fact-checking?  Admittedly the following are not final, determining factors, but the lack of substance in the publishing company's website, the fact that I can't find any information on anything else they've ever published, and the fact that in the two months it's been out, this book and its rather sensational claims seem to have garnered zero interest from the same mainstream press that was all too happy to report the gory details of the accusations against Bryant during his legal case, don't instill me with oodles of confidence about the reputability of the source here.  Mwelch 01:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with admin User:Ohnoitsjamie on Kobe Bryant Sexual assault case

message: Why is this a subsection of NBA career profile? —AldeBaer 23:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kobe Bryant#Conflicts and turmoil]] 

message: When he cheated on his wife he bought her a huge pink diamond ring, but how much did it cost?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.252.59 (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ring he bought 

message: He doesn't wear 8 anymore...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stensonlll (talk • contribs) 15:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   more recent pic 

message: First off, the news even stated that Kobe had passed that lie detector test, and so it proved that he had not raped the girl. When he says she does not view the incident the same, he's basically saying "She knows what happened, but wants to twist the story around." His lawyers even brought up the argument that she had slept with different guys prior and after the alleged rape. She even back down from the trial because her ass knew that if this thing got any deeper, she would have been in hot water (boiling), etc. Kobe did not rape that girl, she just wanted the money. I read that entire conversation with the detectives and Kobe, I never recalled Kobe every discussing Shaq's business.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruestfaith (talk • contribs) 01:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rape not right