Talk:Kingdom of Galicia

message: Galicia was the first kingdom of Western Europe. And it was one of the oldest for centuries: it begun in the year 409 and finished in 1833. The Suebic Kingdom is also known as the "Galliciense Regnum", in Latin language, spoken at that time, the "Galician Kingdom". This was also one of the three kingdoms under the Visigothic Crown, since 585, with Hispania and Septimania -from the "Gallia Septimania", currently in France and Catalonia-. When Hispanic Kingdom got muslim, in 711, Galician Kingdom was independent again, but keeping a continuity. In fact, the first kings were relatives of the last king of Galicia under the Visigothic Crown, Witiza. The courts were established in Oviedo, in Asturias, at that time a Galician region. Later, the Galician kings put the capital city in Leon, another Galician city at the High Middle Ages. So, there were not "Kings of Asturias" or "Kings of Leon". There where only "Kings of Galicia" until Xth century, when the Kingdoms of Leon and Asturias were created and became independent from Galicia for the first time. However, these kingdoms, later with Castile, were under the Galician Crown until XIIIrd century. 
Asturias, Leon, Portugal or Coimbra were parts of Galicia, as Central Galicia. Oviedo, Leon, Xixon, Porto, Navia, Bragança, Chaves, Viana do Castelo or Vilafranca do Bierzo were Galician cities, like Lugo, Ourense, Pontevedra, Santiago or Corunna. In fact, Asturians, Artabrians, Lucenses, Pretamaricans, Postamaricans, Callaeci, etc., were Galician tribes at the time of the ancient Gallaecia, before the arrival of the Roman legions. It changed at the Low Middle Ages, after the foundation of several kingdoms which only then begun to be different from Northwestern, or Central, Galicia. However, today the people from Asturias, Leon or Northern Portugal conserve an important part of their ancient Galician culture and heritage, such as the language -there are thousands of Asturian and Leonese Galician-speakers-, the music, the clothes or the gastronomy.
The last king of Galicia was John of Gaunt, John II of Galicia, at the end of XIVth century. But Galicia existed as a kingdom until XIXth century: when Spanish Crown lost its territories in continental America after Napoleonic Wars, the Spanish kings looked at the kingdoms of the Iberian Peninsule in order to colonize them even more. Two hundred years ago, 99 per cent of Galicians were Galician-speakers, but today less than 60 per cent speak Galician language (over one million and a half citizens). Even by this way, however, Galicia is currenly the only one 'historical' nation, and the only one autonomous community, under the Spanish Kingdom/State, where Castilian/Spanish is not the most spoken language. 19:38, 29 April 2010   
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Leaving aside that the Suebic kingdom of the Roman province of Gallaecia (not the same as Galicia to begin with) was conquered by the Visigoths in the 6th century and ceased to exist permanently and irremediably since then, Where is the political center of this supposed Kingdom of Galicia during the 8th and 9th centuries? Centuries in which the Kingdom of Asturias existed and was the actual Kingdom by the way. There is no any remains, absolutely any remains, in Braga, Santiago de Compostela, Porto, Coruña... or any other city that you will claim as the "Galician capital", on the other hand we have the royal palace in Oviedo and a lot of buildings built during the 8th and 9th centuries in Asturias, manly in the surroundings of Oviedo which clearly shows this was an important political and cultural center, the capital of an actual Kingdom and not a fantasy. And all this without taking into account all the chronicles of the 8th and 9th centuries that talk about the "Asturum Regnum", we have Carolingian chronicles that talk of the embassy of the Kingdom of Asturias in Aachen, but nothing about an embassy of the Kingdom of Galicia. This is so easily denbunked, yet this article still full of lies, most of the references are links to unsubstantiated claims made by Galician regionalists, what a joke Wikipedia is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.152.128.29 (talk) 12:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galliciense Regnum 

message: First: the area associated with most countries, states, even regions, changes over time.
Second, just an example, an snipet: Gregory of Tours, Historia Francorum, V.41: “Mirus rex Galliciensis legatos ad Guntchramnum regem dirixit”.
Translated into French: “Mir, roi de Gallice, envoya des messagers au roi Gontran” (https://books.google.es/books?id=0XUaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310#v=snippet&q=galice&f=false)
Translated into English: “Ambassadors were despatched to King Gunthram’s court from Mir, King of Galicia (https://books.google.es/books?id=xVBiCOBX4WMC&lpg=PP1&dq=History%20of%20the%20Franks&pg=PR5-IA40#v=onepage&q=Galicia&f=false)--Froaringus (talk) 13:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdom of Galicia 

message: There is no contemporary chronicle of visigothics period that affirmes that the Suevo Kingdom continued after the conquest by the King Visigoth Leovigildo in 585, it is impossible for the kingdom of Galicia to have had an uninterrupted continuation from 410 to 1833. The Visigoth Kingdom did not admit other kingdoms in their breast, so it was divided into provinces that is the official term used by the Visigoth Chronicles, therefore Galicia had ceased to be a kingdom after the conquest of 585. Only three times after the conquest of the Suevo Kingdom, it is mentioned that Galicia distinguishes from Spain in Visigothic period, but does not speak of the kingdom of Galicia. The rest of the mentions (which are also the majority) speaks of Spain including Galicia in its territory.~~Segobirras~~ Gallaecia: de reino suevo a provincia visigoda. Pablo de la Cruz Díaz Martínez; Galicia fai dovs mil anos o feito diferencial galego / coord. por Gerardo Pereira Menaut, Vol. 1, 1997 (Galicia fai dovs mil anos o feito diferencial galego / coord. por María Xosé Fernández Cerviño, Gerardo Pereira Menaut), ISBN 84-88908-06-7, págs. 253-278  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Segobirras (talk • contribs) 14:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, wouldn't it be better to write "409 - 585; 910 - 1833" (with a line break instead of a semicolon) then? LVDP01 (talk) 17:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification of the Foundation Year