Talk:War of Actium

message: Considering that this "war" consisted of a single naval battle, why is this article seperate from the Battle of Actium? - Vedexent 17:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't a single battle; Actium just happened to be the most decisive one.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  16:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: For anyone not aware of the fact, this article has been under a merge proposal for some time. Since there have been no objections, or debates, I propose that it be merged in 1 week, barring any vigorous debate - Vedexent (talk) - 07:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Proposal 

message: While the Battle of Actium did bring an end to major hostilities, it was not the end of the war. After Octavian's victory, he marched his troops to Alexandria the year later, where he placed the city under seige. He engaged in a small battle for the seige, defeating the remainder of Anthony's troops. Following the seige and Cleopatra's surrender and suicide, Octavian returned to Rome and declared an end to the war. - Rougher07 23:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose Merge 

message: For a name change?Tourskin 02:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about Antony-Octavian civil war? Or Second Caesarian civil war, because both claimed to be close to and follwoing Caesar's legacy. 

message: How about changing the name of the article to the "Great Roman Civil War" as both sides assembled some 200,000 soldiers each, making the total troops numbers, included navy and support units, near half a million men. This would make this war the largest war in Roman history, despite the fact that the battle of actium was its only major conflict. Following Actium, the conflict lasted another year and ended with the Siege of Alexandria and the deaths of Cleopatra and Mark Antony. Rougher07 20:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Article: Great Roman Civil War 

message: Call me ignorant, but why do so many sources say that Cleopatra took her own life by letting a snake bite her, if she was killed by Octavian himself? Also the article on Cleopatra speaks for itself, and has very solid references. I see this as enough to change what it says in this article, as the earliest sources all conclude that she died of self-induced bite from a poisonous snake. Convincam, si negatis..!  --Alexlykke (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleopatra 

message: How did Octavian merge the eastern and western halfs of the roman world?  There was no split between the empire for more than 200 years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.76.223 (talk) 07:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging?? 

message: Its called "The War of Actium" , Bellum Actium, Im pretty sure, but final war of republic makes sense to readers.  Calling it the biggest civil war is incorrect, its not, it had one big naval battle which may be called the biggest since the 2nd Punic War. Ceasar's war was bigger, involved more casualties, and dozens of battles. Sulla v. Marius, the Social War, each are as big as the War of Actium. The third Servile War (Spartacus') involved more casualties. But you need to remember how much this is all shrouded in Ancient propgaganda. Augustus wanted to make this battle sound huge and heroic and justify the Monarchy he was creating, and as his long reign passed, as more and more time passed and less people were alive to witness it, his propaganda writers made it into a bigger and bigger deal. THe whole fleet was not sent to the bottom, previous to the battle, more and more Romans deserted Antony's cause, because he stubbornly brought Cleopatra along. Octavian had been using Cleopatra as the reason for the war, war wasnt even declared on Antony. Bringing her played into OCtavians hands for propaganda value.   Many historians believe the battle to be an anticlimax, won with desertion and treachery. The fact that the legions deserted en masse in Greece after the battle shows how litttle determination and loyalty Antony's legions had. The war COULD have become one of the biggest if Octavians legions were forced to challenge Antony in a real campaign in Greece. They showed no heart. The battle only allowed Octavian freedom of the seas but the dozens of Antonys legions remained undefeated. They had no heart, no loyalty to the cause. Octavian's agents did good work. The Ceasarian name meant more and Antony's Alexandrian pretensions lost him his connection to his men.     The fact there is not one single land battle makes this war a real anticlimax. Yes, both sides had huge armies prepared for battle, Octavian's progagandists would not fail to mention if there had at least been something shred of something heroic on land to write encomiums about, as they did about Octavian's short war in Illyricum. They were forced instead to exagerrate the battle of Actium. The morale was so low that the desertions in Antony's camp began to spread to Octavians side, he was forced to retire and resettle legions before even finishing the occupation of Greece, thats how low morale was at this point for Romans fighting Romans, he retired old veterans so that the legions still under arms had something to look forward to. They were tired of these cynical power games between Roman dynasts going back to Pompey that cost them their lives. Everybody interested in the Augustan era and these questions should read Ronald Syme's "Roman Revolution" as well as the collection of essays "between republic and empire" edited by Raaflaub and Toher as a counterpoint to Syme. Syme portrays Octavian as a cold and calculating revolutionary figure with masterful use of propaganda, and his account begins with Pompey as the real death of the republic. Augustus is a real enigma to historians, but still, a likeable figure. 
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMalax (talk • contribs) 18:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Biggest war?" 

message: Re the recent edits to the infobox (it's always just the infobox) on the strength of the forces arrayed, policies state that we should have reliable sources for claims made in articles; this includes those for the strength of forces deployed at Actium (war or battle). This is always difficult, of course, for ancient conflicts; there is no extant Official History for these conflicts. A reliable source, preferably to WP:SCHOLARSHIP, should be included nevertheless. Ifly6 (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slow motion edit skirmishes over the infobox's "strength" 

message: the “background” section seems incredibly simplified. 100.1.132.140 (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article dumbed down  

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