Talk:The Swingles

message: Why "(1962-1973)"? The group seems to be still performing, according to its website (as of April 2004). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.48.181.79 (talk) 09:48, 9 April 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They're ghosts. -Silence 02:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No they're not. They lead in acappella, just went quiet for a bit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 10:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "(1962-1973)"? 

message: This is just a stub. The stub template should be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orpheo (talk • contribs) 02:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. You should invent it. Good luck to you on your mission! -Silence 02:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub 

message: Why are the Swingle Singers described as a band with the word 'was'? Surely they are still around, as discussed in the caption above.
I shall therefore echange the word 'was' to 'is'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.166.31 (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Was'?' 

message: 'The group can be heard during the instrumental passages from the 1969 film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.' - I don't think so, it's a copy of their style by Burt Bacharach, but it isn't them. Evidence; there is no mention of the film anywhere on the groups own website, which documents their career exhaustively. According to this page, it's probably Anita Kerr;
http://www.spaceagepop.com/kerr.htm
'There is good reason to suspect she also pulled another pseudonymous trick and recorded a second collection of Bacharach tunes, this time done very much in the mode of the Swingle Singers: Bacharach Baroque on Ranwood. And, although I've never been able to confirm it, I suspect it's Kerr and the gang da-ba-da-bing on the tune, "South American Getaway," from Bacharach's soundtrack to "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.64.112.13 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not them on Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 08:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Since the french Swingle Singers in 1973 disbanded and the new born english Swingle II had all different members except Ward, I'd recommend to create a new page for the original french group only: it would be more correct. --95.236.232.17 (talk) 11:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because the intention, spirit, method and arrangements were the same. The only thing which changed was a small variation in the tone balance because of the tonal ranges available to the new team, which soon settled to a simple step forwards from where the French team had left it. What would be useful is to ask them for a complete list of all former Swingles and the periods they worked in: you go to the LAF and the place is full of them, the rest of us keep trying to persuade them to have a swingles-down-the-ages reunion which is resisted because the past is the past and it's where they're going which is important.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 09:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to the last, I've found a list of former members, from https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Swingle-Singers.htm
Whether a sub-page is needed is up to the page admins - in any case, I can't post, I'm too close to the group for NPOV
 Members of the Swingle Singers
                                   	Sopranos                                                                                                           	Altos                                                                                                  	Tenors                                                  	Basses
1st Edition (French) (1962-1973)   	Jeanette Baucomont  Claude Chauvet  Nicole Darde  Christiane Legrand                                               	Hélèn Devos  Anne Germain  Alice Herald  Claudine Meunier                                              	Claude Germain  Joseph Noves  Ward Swingle              	Jean-Claude Briodin  Jean Cussac  José Germain
2nd Edition (1973-1977)            	Mary Beverly  Catherine Bott  Olive Simpson                                                                        	Carol Hall  Linda Suggitt-Hirst (1974-1978)                                                            	John Potter  Ward Swingle                               	David Beavan  John Lubbock
The New Swingle Singers (1978-1984)	Sharon Halliday  Olive Simpson                                                                                     	Lindsay John  Nicole Tibbels                                                                           	Lindsay Benson  Ward Swingle                            	David Beavan  Alan Byers
Jonathan Rathbone (1986-1995)      	Deryn Edwards (1987-1992; 1996-1998)  Jenny Fowler (1990-1993)  Helen Massey (1986-1989)  Nikki Sharkey (1989-1990)	Kimberley Asester  Heather Cairncross (1988-1998)  Carol Canning (1980-1988)  Linda Stevens (1987-1991)	Andrew Busher (1985-1993)  Jonathan Rathbone (1984-1996)	Ben Parry (1987-1992)  David Porter-Thomas (1987-1992; 1993-1996)
Current Edition                    	Joanna Goldsmith  Julie Kench                                                                                      	Johanna Marshall  Clare Weeler                                                                         	Tom Bullard  Richard Eteson                             	Kevin Fox  Tobias Hug
Firstly, this list is copied verbatim from that source. With the exception of Clare Wheeler' typo, it looks credible, but should be checked.
Secondly, it's out of date, but the article already contains the data needed to bring it up to date. Similarly, a number of members certainly have their own WP pages needing links.
Thirdly, there's an outer cloud of collaborators who're part of the family. People like Shlomo, who've worked with the core group but aren't on the payroll. I've needed to do this research for my own interactions with members, as relations have been tense in the past - whence my NPOV declaration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.39.250 (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The french group and the english one 

message: Article has been tagged for needing sources long-term. Feel free to reinsert the below material with appropriate references. DonIago (talk) 14:19, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: "On 1 November 2011, both Christiane Legrand and Swingles composer André Hodeir died." There's a reference that takes me to a site asking me to give my email and consent to having cookies implanted, so I can't read the referenced article, but this information should be in this article anyway. 2604:2000:F226:3200:287B:7E44:6C5:B7C4 (talk) 17:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He died in the evening in Versailles. She died in the 15th Arondissement, time unknown. She started working with him in 1957, in a number of informal and then more formal units like Les Double Six, which in due course les to the Swingles in 1962. It's just a coincidence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 09:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why/how did both die on the same day? 

message: The acapella idiom in the early 60s was predominantly Early Music, until the Swingles got their hands on it. It may be a circular argument, but the next stage of the development of the modern acappella sound did include the use of bass and drums, provided they did not become lead instruments, rather acting as baroque continuo. This then led to the beatbox backing, as singers discovered they could do more than the instruments, which now allows them to come to the front where appropriate.
My credentials in this are that I have studied beatboxing under the Swingles, and sing with the Southbank Voicelab in London, making me very close to the cutting edge in this work. My work at Alleyns in the 1960s kept the choir going which would be the vocal birthplace of Jo Goldsmith.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  French group putatively acappella 

message: Hi there! To any and all interested: I've proposed a WikiProject dedicated to a cappella. This would be a group of editors interested in improving the quality of articles related to a cappella. If you're passionate about a cappella—ranging from the Pentatonix to groups like the Swingle Singers, or perhaps pop culture representations like Pitch Perfect and The Sing-Off—please check out the proposal and share your thoughts!
Here's a link to the proposal for WikiProject A Cappella.
If you could see yourself contributing to an article related to a cappella (like this one), please consider joining!
:—Shrinkydinks (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment: new WikiProject for a cappella-related articles 

message: Regulars on this English tv show. Worth a mention? 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:FDC5:4690:6C61:BAC5 (talk) 13:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source? DonIago (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: The Two Ronnies

message: We need to make up our minds about whether we are going to describe the Swingles as a separate group to the 1962 Swingle Singers, or both as the same group.
I think either take is valid, but at the moment this article mixes up the two approaches so is hopelessly confused and confusing. 
The lead describes the Swingles as a successor group to the Swingle Singers; but then the article talks about both groups, and attributes the achievements of the earlier group to the current group with no distinction. It also uses the name "Swingle Singers" to refer to the current group. "Swingle Singers" redirects here, but isn't bolded in the lead.
I don't really care which one we go for; but we can't say the current group formed in 1974, AND attribute the 1966 Air on the G String recording to it. 
(For what it's worth the group considers itself the same group - "The Swingles’ musical evolution and creative drive makes them as relevant today as when Ward Swingle started the group nearly six decades ago. TSP (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  One group or two?