Talk:Lojban grammar

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===Specific reference on Lojban grammar===
Phonology & Orthography (CLL3)
Morphology (CLL4)
Orthography: letteral system, alien alphabets, accent/punctuation marks, compound lerfu words, acronyms, computerized character codes (CLL17)
Syntax and semantics: selbri (CLL5)
Syntax: sumti, descriptions, individuals, masses, sets, vocative phrases, names (CLL6)
Syntax: sumti and selbri
Syntax: complex sumti
Syntax: attachments to sumti, selbri and sentences
Syntax: pro-sumti, pro-bridi (CLL7)
Syntax: relative clauses/phrases, possessive sumti (CLL8)
Syntax: tagging places, conversion, sentence connection, modal selbri, modal relative phrases, modal negation (CLL9)
Syntax: sentence structures
Syntax: logical/non-logical connectives (CLL14)
Syntax: logical connectives
Syntax: abstraction (events, qualities, quantities, truth-value, sentence...), indirect question, sumti raising (CLL11)
Syntax: negation (CLL15)
Syntax: existential claims, prenexes, variables, universal claims, restricted claims, negation boundaries, selbri variables (CLL16)
Syntax: mathematical expressions (CLL18)
Syntax: structure of texts (CLL19)
Semantics: tenses (CLL10)
Semantics: lujvo/tanru/gismu place structures, comparatives & superlatives (CLL12)
Semantics: emotion and attitudinal indicators (CLL13)
Formal grammars (CLL21)
Linguistic issues pertaining to Lojban
=== Other useful references ===
Vocabularly (jbovlaste)
Vocabularly (gismu)
Vocabularly (cmavo)
Compound (linguistics)
Semantics
Syntax
Formal grammar
=== Style: Lojban texts & English translations ===
In the Lojban comunity it is common for Lojbanists to bracket Lojban words or phrases like e.g. {coi do ma nuzba}; on this article, the editors (including myself) seem to agree on using italic form instead of brackets, so like e.g. coi do ma nuzba. The English translations, on the other hand, normally have double quotation marks, e.g. "Hi, what's up?". Translations, however, may be without such markings when it is obvious (see the example below). These styles are in accordance with the convention of other language articles.
For the sample texts I have experimented to use colour codes which slightly differentiates the sample's visual appearance from the main paragraph:
:mi ba'o klama le zarciI have-gone-to the-market.
:mi capu'o klama le zarciI am-going-to the-market.
The bolds simply indicate the parts on which the discussion is focusing (this example is from the section "tenses"). This, I hope, would give rise to readability. The colour code is #506060.--Mednak 10:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Guide

message: In the Lojban comunity it is common for Lojbanists to bracket Lojban words or phrases like e.g. {coi do ma nuzba}; on this article, the editors (including myself) seem to agree on using italic form instead of brackets, so like e.g. coi do ma nuzba. The English translations, on the other hand, normally have double quotation marks, e.g. "Hi, what's up?". Translations, however, may be without such markings when it is obvious (see the example below). These styles are in accordance with the convention of other language articles.
For the sample texts I have experimented to use colour codes which slightly differentiates the sample's visual appearance from the main paragraph:
:mi ba'o klama le zarciI have-gone-to the-market.
:mi capu'o klama le zarciI am-going-to the-market.
The bolds simply indicate the parts on which the discussion is focusing (this example is from the section "tenses"). This, I hope, would give rise to readability. The colour code is #506060.--Mednak 10:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style: Lojban texts & English translations 

message: The previous discussions on the content of this article can be found in the archives of Talk:Lojban. --Mednak 11:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old discussions 

message: I'm no linguist and are therefore not accostumed with linguistic vocabulary. Thus I ask. Is phonology and orthography really a part of the grammar? --Emuzesto 16:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grammar says: "As the word is understood by most modern linguists, the subfields of grammar are phonetics, phonology, orthography, morphology, syntax, semantics, and pragmatics".The grammar is a collection of rules which governs the use of a language. That means that "Lojban grammar" is a set of principles with which people are mutually enabled to utilize it as a communal communication device. Phonology and orthography are definitely part of such principles. If they are not correctly practiced or understood among the users, transmission of the expressed ideas/information will be defective in some way or may even be impossible. An allegedly Lojbanic expression like mi.Nelshi tuHa qo'awi will be problematic for Lojbanists because its orthography is not in accordance with what is commonly shared by themselves, and this is precisely an indication of the fact that orthography is by no means unrelated to the core system in whcih strings of letters or words become viable expressions of a language. The same goes for phonology. When you err either in the orthography or phonology, your expression will be ungrammatical, just like putting a preposition in a wrong place will make your sentence invalid.I'm not a linguist either, by the way. --Mednak 17:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology and orthography 

message: the head section (or intro, or whatever) sounds really pro-lojban, without sources. Esperanto, for instance, is referred to as "experimental" despite the fact that Esperanto is use more widely that lojban. Could someone clean this up to keep things accurate? Sonicsuns 06:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head Section 

message: There are several empty sections. Could an expert Lojbanist fix them please? Cosman246 (talk) 21:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Empty Sections

message: I’ve removed the example from Arabic because it is simply wrong. ما عِندِي قَلَمُ absolutely cannot be glossed as I | not have | a pen (SVO), and the analogy with the Lojban sentence is completely wrong. --Babelfisch (talk) 03:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic 

message: It's impossible to understand the examples since almost all of them are without translation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.128.108.56 (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations 

message: All but one example does not parse, and the one that does parse only does so incidentally due to its use of `lo'u`-`le'u` quotes which do not require the inner contents to be grammatically correct. Additionally, many of the translations are wrong. Matt-bacon-bcm (talk) 04:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Grouping" section is almost entirely wrong