Talk:Shuriken

message: July 11th, 2006 - major rewrite. With regard to what material should and shouldn't be included in THIS article, I think we need to bear in mind that we have 2 entries that are very closely related: "Shuriken", and "Shuriken jutsu". I think we need to agree that these two categories should be clearly defined as separate, and their relevent pages to include only information relevent to the topic. This way will avoid redundancy. Therefore, I propose that the page entitled "Shuriken" be only about the items themselves, and not the art or the techniques on how to throw them. It should discuss only descriptions of the physical attributes of the shuriken. The page "shuriken-jutsu", as the term suggests, I propose should include only information related to the art, its history, and the schools which taught this art. Only minor mention, if at all, of the blades themselves and their description should appear on this page.
To that end, I have deleted much information on this "shuriken" page, but I intend for it to be added to and included in the "shuriken jutsu" page.  ==Taishanglao 14:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: keeping shuriken and shuriken jutsu pages separate

message: i deleted this "* The website http://www.freewebs.com/how2beaninja/index.htm has a whole page dedicated to the history and use of shuriken (look under weapons)." due to its irelevance and advertisement of an unnecesary "fact" --Aaronpark 00:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  deleting a trivia 

message: Hello,
Someone connected with Wikipedia contacted me and asked if I would like to contribute to the Shuriken page on Wikipedia.en. I have been running the Secrets of Shuriken website for several years now, and I guess a website visitor has asked me to contribute. I am in two minds about doing this because 1) I am rather daunted by the prospect of writing a full blown article like many of the other excellent ones here, that is properly formatted in Wikistyle, and 2) I have observed on other topics the sometimes rather heated and abusive squabbling that has gone on as a result of edits being made. These two factors have put me off doing so for more than a year now. However, in the shuriken pages here I do notice many inaccuracies which I feel should be addressed, though to do so may create another heated and abusive discussion as the supporters of said inaccuracies may not agree with the changes, because we all know, we all hold our own beliefs to be the truest...
Should there not be some sort of consensus agreement as to how the material should be determined worthy of inclusion etc, as well as how it should be presented? --Taishanglao 11:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding to the shuriken pages 

message: Ri translated as "hidden" or "release"?
There seems to be some argument over the translation of the character ri in shuriken. Many argue that ri is "release", while others say "hidden". The fact is "ri" can be either. The important thing is the character used. Throughout history, shuriken has been written a number of different ways, 手裏剣, 手離剣, 手裡剣, even 打剣 (da ken - hit/throw blade). 裏 is hidden, 離 is release. Historical documents in general appear to settle on the use of 裏"hidden" in their descriptions of shuriken. Only one source I know of and have a copy of, is a Mou En Ryu shuriken densho (scroll) that uses the character 離"release", and Mou En Ryu is an extinct school. Respected shuriken and martial arts researchers such as Kanji Naruse, Fujita Seiko, Iwai Kohoku, Yumio Nawa, Eizo Shirakami, Massaki Hatsumi, Diane Skoss, Billy Hammond, Serge Mol, Mike Finn, ALL use 裏 "hidden" in their descriptions of shuriken. Why is this?
It appears that in very early times, there were many different choices of character for ri in shuriken. In fact, shuriken used be called "shiriken", which means "grasp the blade's end". This was related to throwing of the short sword (kodachi), tanto (knife), and the kozuka "small knife",  where the art was akin more to knife throwing than shuriken throwing. There was no element of secrecy or hidden aspect to blade throwing. Later, martial arts innovators introduced methods of throwing needles, arrows, and other objects as a form of combat, and soon after, the idea of concealment became important in gaining the tactical advantage. Common usage of the word "blade hidden in the hand" became prevalent. Factor in that in feudal times, many Japanese were not literate, and others of limited written ability, so often when writing a word they heard, they would often not know the correct character, so would substitute a similar sounding character in its place, a character they did know how to write. This is thought to be the reason for many of the spellings of shuriken. Some schools did deliberately retain the use of 離"release" for their description of shuriken, however, it is thought many of these schools threw the knife, rather than the adapted needles, arrows etc, because in throwing a knife or short sword, it was not really necessary to be concerned about concealment. (However this is not the case with Mou En Ryu, as they used an adapted needle).
Shuriken development tended more towards concealment, secrecy and use of surprise, and later writers tended to more often use the term 裏 "hidden" in their description of shuriken. Schools that survived the turn of the century and the second world war all generally used the term 裏 "hidden" in their writings on shuriken. Today, 手裏剣 is the generally accepted and most prevalent method of writing "shuriken", while 手離剣 is much less so, and the other methods rarely, if at all. 
裏 is composed of the morpheme (meaning component) "i", which is "clothing", "to cover", and the phoneme component "ri" (which gives the character its pronunciation). Together the two form  the On-yomi reading "ri", which means "reverse", as in opposition to "exposed", or "covered" (like what clothes do). The Kun-yomi reading is "ura", which also means reverse, opposite, hidden, secret, and is used in different situation. Neither of these reading suggest the notion of "release". It is clear the choice of 裏 in shuriken is for its notion of hiding and concealment.
For this article, I therefore believe we should use the generally accepted term 手裏剣, and translate it as "hand hidden blade", even if it is not accepted by a marginal few...
==Taishanglao 03:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on article text 

message: I somewhat seriously doubt that "the ninja could easily kill himself" is a good reason for not applying poison to shurikens. Either they did so, or there was another reason for not doing it
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I have heard through a secondary source, that a shuriken given by Kondo Sensei of Daito Ryu to Don Angier Sensei of Yanagi Ryu, when handled, gave a numbing sensation to the fingers. It was thought that the blade had been coated with a poison, of unknown origin, and I am speculating that it was the Japanese variety of Aconite (japonicum or aizuense), which is a known poison of the day. Some have suggested fugu fish which I doubt, as the poison is neutralised by contact with oxygen over 24hrs. There is no hard and fast rule about poison tipped shuriken. Some were, most weren't, depended upon the user and the situation. I agree with the above. "Could easily kill himself" sounds a bit incompetent, considering these people trained with weapons with the purpose to kill...
--Taishanglao 02:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shuriken and poison 

message: I don't know about you people, but when I think of those two elements of the feudal Japanese culture, I surely won't see them as the same thing. Ever. Reasons are many. The samurai might have been a social class in the ancient Japan, but they also had their code of honor. A set of guidelines they followed to maintain their reputation. They usually served a master, and when they didn't, it was usually because their honor got tainted for some reason (becoming ronins). Ninjas were hired hands. They used to do all kinds of dirty jobs for money. Honor wasn't an aspect of their lifestyle. I don't think many of them would easily kill themselves for failing on a mission.
That's what I know about the subject, and analyzing the Japanese culture, I don't think I'm very mistaken when I say that. That's why I think that it makes no sense to say 'on the other hand, leaving the "other" out implies that ninja were not samurai - and probably most of them were'. It might be better to leave that "other" there for different reasons, but keep in mind that most of the ninjas were probably not samurai. Sure, maybe I'm generalizing too much here, but think about that. – Kaonashi 02:25, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not read Karl Fridays writings myself nor his sources, but from what I have been told the historians today pretty much agree that ninja were mainly, if not only samurai. The "hired hinds" thing is largely a myth - the myths about ninjas emergen quite early in Japan, and if you today say "Ninja" to an average Japanese he is quite likely to think of ninja as mythical figures with more or less supernatural powers. Ninjutsu was not only the art of being a spy but also of strategy, how to build fortifications, how to best set fire on a castle - and a person doing ninjutsu is a ninja. The most well known ninja is probably Hattori Hanzo. http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html IMO there are good reasons to not have a wording that says that ninja and samurai were two different groups, which is how most people would read "ninja and samurai". Ninja was not a class, ninja was a military function regardless of who did it. Habj 19:17, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samurai and ninja 

message: How fast did they throw them?
 studies are inconclusive.--J.A.B. 20:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How fast? 

message: I am dubious about this section so I've moved it here. I don't think it should be restored unless sources are provided
...originally designed by the ninja..
The name 'Shuriken' literally means 'Hand Release Blade'; [Shu - Hand], [Ri - Release], [Ken - Blade]. Tracing back through history to determine the origins of the ninja's unique throwing weapon is difficult, if not impossible. In theory, it can be seen how the four-pointed Senban shuriken, characteristic of the Togakure Ryu of ninjutsu, was perhaps developed from the four-cornered, iron reinforcing plates that backed up the heads of the used in the joining of timbers in castle and fortress construction.
It's cool though huh?
:I have actually heard of this origin of the shuriken, and it seems reasonable to me.  I'll see if I can't find some references for this later - I'd like to expand this article if I could to include some of the mythical aspects (properly noted as myth, of course) as well as as much factual information as I can find about shurikens.
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The most common way "shuriken" has been written is 手裹剣 where 裹 "ri" means hidden, or covered, so a literal translation would be "blade hidden in the hand". There are some instances, for example Mo En Ryu documents, that write shuriken as 手離剣 where 離 "ri" means release, giving the translation blade released from the hand. The reason for the mixup is quite complex, but nevertheless very interesting, as the explanation reveals much about the history of the usage of shuriken. The implications are that "blade hidden in the hand" is the correct meaning.
As noted, shuriken were not "originally designed by ninja"; that is also another misconception. According to Japanese lore from the Nihon Shoki, it was Prince Yamato-Takeru who threw a cylindrical vegetable, possibly a radish, into the eye a deer, as the first example in literature of throwing objects as a weapon. The origins of this skill however, appear to go back even earlier, to the Chinese mainland. There is no way of knowing who the "original" designers were. There were plenty of innovators throughout history, but to pinpoint shuriken invention to a particular individual in history is simply futile. --Taishanglao 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed section 

message: The main article makes reference to applying a great deal of spin to a thrown shuriken to allow a saw-like effect to cut tendons.  While I don't doubt the ability to cut tendons with a thrown shuriken, I somehow doubt that this was imparted due to the high angular speed.  I have several replica shurikens (both 4 and 6 point varieties) and have attempted such sawing actions before.  First of all, the amount of spin you would have to impart to achieve this effect would have to be very large for an object of that diameter.  Second, in order to specifically cut a tendon using that approach, you would need to have aim and timing bordering on the supernatural.  I mean, you are throwing a spinning object at the outer border of a moving target, aiming specifically not to hit that edge dead on, but with the edge of your own disk-like projectile.  I'm not saying its impossible, but we should probably get some kind of reference for that, as it sounds like some mystical ninja-skill nonsence.
Also, in reference to the shuriken being used as a distraction, I had also heard of the technique of letting the shuriken rust so as to inflict infected wounds.  However, as I heard it, the idea that ninjas did this was not unknown, and so when a ninja made a show of throwing one of these at you, he was really trying to get you to dodge or drop to the ground to avoid the potentially deadly projectile, or just to flinch away.  This would give the ninja a few valuable seconds to get away (possibly spreading caltrops behind him) or get close enough to kill you with something else.  I can't back this up, but its just my $0.02
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Removed section: "Sawing" effect
The sentences regarding the "saw" effect were removed because it gives the reader the impression that shuriken were not intended to pierce. This is patently untrue. There are many stories in the historical Japanese literature that describe the use of shuriken being effective because of their piercing effect. To say that "contrary to popular culture, it was not intended to "stick" in the target" is misleading to say the least. Firstly, the previous writer is disregarding bo-shuriken altogether by mentioning the spinning action, as this is obviously referring to hira-shuriken, providing they have sharpened edges (which is also a point in contention). Secondly, there is no documentation to support the notion that hira-shuriken were intended to be used as a "flying circular saw" type object. None of the instructors I have had contact with (mostly Japanese if you need to know), have never mentioned any sawing effect with shuriken at all. Furthermore, the main targets of shuriken were the eyes, throat, hands and feet. These were generally the more exposed parts of the body. The sawing effect cutting tendons etc., sounds to me rather a fantasy, because the body and legs were covered by quite heavy clothing, or at least several layers of it, and the tendons one would try to cut in order to disable the opponent (such as what is achieved in kenjutsu) are somewhat protected by it, and the fact that they are situated on the sides and rear parts of the limbs. The main force in throwing a hira shuriken was forward hitting power, enabling deeper piercing of the tips. THe spinning effect served only to stablise the blade in flight. -- Taishanglao 07:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sawing? 

message: I will admit that I am not an expert on this subject by any stretch of the imagination, however when I compare this article with that on Shaken it seems to me that they're actually talking about the same thing. If that is the case, should the two pieces not be merged together? It is far from clear what the difference is, if there is any difference, between bo-shuriken and shaken.
Silverthorn
I am not an expert either (despite my name :P), but the kanji for Shaken translates as wheeled-blade, while Shuriken translates as hand-thrown-blade.  Thus shaken is another name for hira-shuriken (not bo-shuriken!), linguistically speaking.  This is consistent with my own experience.  I recommend merging the two articles, with Shaken redirecting to Shuriken as the latter is the more general term. --Rustedshuriken 08:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaken and Shuriken 

message: "Corrosion is also a relentless factor in humid Japan, and the rust may be an effective poison if introduced into the bloodstream. "
I've moved this to talk because it's unsubstantiated and doesn't seem likely to me.  Iron oxides are not poisonous in the level that would be present on a weapon. Mrestko 08:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rust

message: I think a section should be added on legal issues: importation, sale, ownership, and carrying on one's person in various English-speaking countries and jurisdictions.  The following website contains information about Australian laws pertaining to shuriken, as well as links to laws in Virginia and California in the U.S. and laws in Ireland.  (I could not get the actual site to load, but this links to a Google cached copy): Law Regarding Shuriken MamaGeek (talk/contrib) 14:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Legality

message: In Shinobi games (mega-drive's, at least in Revenge of Shinobi), shurikens are limited, and few (if not with the infinite cheats), making them more a secondary than an primary weapon, thus enforcing the player to stealthy get close to the enemies before they shoot shurikens at you, much more stealthy as a real ninja. 200.230.213.152 04:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I'm not sure if that's really what needle shuriken are called. The Japanese word for dildo is harigata, so... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.31.58.188 (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hari-gata? 

message: The image used for the "Hira shuriken" section was deleted since no rationale was given. The uploader's description was 
archived with a link to the source, but I'm not sure how to fill out the rationale/licensing. This image is also used in this userbox. It was also deleted from Commons. --jh51681 01:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  <!--  Commented out: [[Image:Shuriken.jpg]] --> 

message: As i understand it here, it is banned to sell or manufacture shuriken here, however as the definition is strictly that of hira shuriken, bo shuriken can be sold, as long as they are not called shuriken (ridiculous, i know)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by UltraMagnus (talk • contribs) 00:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  legality in the uk? 

message: I think the article on shuriken and shaken should be merged. I'm not aware of anything special about the shaken sub-species that it should warrant its own article. As it stands, the current article on shaken is shorter than its section here, and the shaken article refers to the shuriken article for more information.--Xanzzibar (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I was trying to find information on car inspections in Japan, which are romanized as Shaken.  I tried going to the page with that name, figuring I'd end up on a disambiguation page, but instead I got redirected to Shuriken!  
Can someone please replace the redirect with a more useful disambiguation page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhennPhawcks (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaken redirect 

message: Does the mention of Tellie Tubby belong in this article?   I couldn't' find a definition that related it to the subject of shuriken.
Kendergirl (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tellie Tubby 

message: *French hip-hop emcee Shurik'n is named after shuriken.
       What about Shang-Hi Noon? there is a scene where A Star shaped badge is used as a shuriken is commonly portrayed. 72.49.178.126 (talk) 19:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: =In music

message: What about the appearance of Shuriken-stars in other east-Asian countries & Viet-Nam. that is not mentioned in the article.
I recently saw refferences to North-Korean shuriken stars both ancient and modern.
--82.134.154.25 (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't the Chinese have a similar weapon, known as a qanzi?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  12:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other SinoSphere countries. 

message: *1 http://books.google.com/books?id=NoEnMaz0NBIC&pg=PA65&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=xAEfTaC2JISdlgf6raCDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false Art of Throwing: Practical Instruction for Better Techniques, Amante P. Marinas, Tuttle Publishing, 2007
*2 http://books.google.com/books?id=ZzIXkFec0e8C&pg=PA159&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=xAEfTaC2JISdlgf6raCDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false Classical weaponry of Japan: special weapons and tactics of the martial arts, Serge Mol, Kodansha International, 2003
*3 http://books.google.com/books?id=bNsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA60&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=xAEfTaC2JISdlgf6raCDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=true Black Belt Jun 1984
*4 http://books.google.com/books?id=ZNwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA70&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=xAEfTaC2JISdlgf6raCDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false Black Belt Apr 1985 
*5 http://books.google.com/books?id=sBWasQSsb-UC&pg=PA206&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=xAEfTaC2JISdlgf6raCDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false Samurai fighting arts: the spirit and the practice, Fumon Tanaka, Kodansha International, 2003
*6 http://books.google.com/books?id=rJiwHqqF0RoC&pg=PT119&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=rwIfTeumPIKclgeK9Nz-Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false Ask a Ninja Presents the Ninja Handbook: This Book Looks Forward to Killing You Soon, Douglas Sarine, Kent Nichols, Random House, Inc., 2008 
*7 http://books.google.com/books?id=-7_YgBjyEE0C&pg=PA99&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=rwIfTeumPIKclgeK9Nz-Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q&f=false Ninja Weapons: Chain and Shuriken, Charles V. Gruzanski, Tuttle Publishing, 1991
*8 http://books.google.com/books?id=HfSQ59kjEioC&pg=PA72&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=rwIfTeumPIKclgeK9Nz-Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false 
*9 http://books.google.com/books?id=WqSsQBjSypIC&q=shuriken&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=rwIfTeumPIKclgeK9Nz-Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCDgK
*10 http://books.google.com/books?id=GsSMsu21CQkC&pg=PA94&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=MAMfTfuDM4P_8AbsyNW2Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*11 http://books.google.com/books?id=luDcP8E5SFoC&pg=PA134&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=MAMfTfuDM4P_8AbsyNW2Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBzgU#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*12 http://books.google.com/books?id=1j_Ffk3qO0kC&pg=PA132&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=MAMfTfuDM4P_8AbsyNW2Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*13 http://books.google.com/books?id=FPiUff2BGBkC&pg=PA259&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=nwMfTZXXOsKC8gaW9PXYDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAzge#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*14 http://books.google.com/books?id=p2QnPijAEmEC&pg=PA894&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=nwMfTZXXOsKC8gaW9PXYDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCDge#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*15 http://books.google.com/books?id=i0ni1NmbYe0C&pg=PA166&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=SAQfTZSsGYK0lQf514XoCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBDgy#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*16 http://books.google.com/books?id=Fdxk3Mbe0ckC&pg=PA61&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=SAQfTZSsGYK0lQf514XoCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCDgy#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*17 http://books.google.com/books?id=JXfVINMfbx8C&pg=PA122&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=SAQfTZSsGYK0lQf514XoCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBjgy#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*18 http://books.google.com/books?id=MuNLyoXB-8oC&pg=PA61&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=wAQfTbT7BYGglAeqxNG_DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQ6AEwADg8#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*19 http://books.google.com/books?id=n1heJafilrAC&pg=PA67&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=GwUfTazUDYG0lQfytcntCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQ6AEwADhQ#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=true
*20 http://books.google.com/books?id=2hOCl1hM6SQC&pg=PT69&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=GwUfTazUDYG0lQfytcntCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAjhQ#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=true
*21 http://books.google.com/books?id=_o73NOjb4p4C&pg=RA1-PA127&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=oQUfTa-GFcqr8AbG2bnrDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQ6AEwADha#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false
*22 http://books.google.com/books?id=BlT-x4vqaC4C&pg=PA100&dq=shuriken&hl=en&ei=oQUfTa-GFcqr8AbG2bnrDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBTha#v=onepage&q=shuriken&f=false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuraiantiqueworld (talk • contribs) 10:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References for editors to read

message: What is this sentence (under Usage) supposed to mean?
"Shuriken are a simple weapon, but their historical value, . . . , has increased."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuantumOfHistory (talk • contribs) 09:34, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  historical value has increased? 

message: The following looks like an error: the well-known "throwing aren't" 
although what it should be I do not know.
Over to you!
Muleiolenimi (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error needing correction 

message: There were several reports published by mainstream news outlets that Steve Jobs had ninja stars confiscated in Japan:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-14/steve-jobs-stopped-at-japan-airport-over-ninja-stars-spa-says.html
http://fortune.com/2010/09/14/report-steve-jobs-stopped-at-japan-airport-for-carrying-ninja-stars/
Should this be included in the article? 69.65.91.78 (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs had shuriken confiscated? 

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message: 1. 鏢星​ / Chinese Throwing Stars / PIAO HSING / BIAO XING. Throwing stars are 3, 5, & 8 pointed to represent The 3 Forces, 5 Elements, and the 8 Trigrams. source
2. There are also weapons that could be considered a variation of bo-shuriken: THORNS & NEEDLES / 飞针 / FEI CHEN / FEI ZHEN. There are a few types of Needles and Thorns -  range from very small needles to metal spikes over half a foot in length. source
3. Also very similar weapon is 燕​​子飞刀​ / Swallow Tail Flying Knives aka Swallow Tail Darts / YEN TZU FEI TAO / YAN ZI FEI DAO. source
4. There is also a weapon called "throwing spike" that looks similar to bo-shuriken or throwing needle. 89.201.235.112 (talk) 09:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  chinese (throwing) stars and swallow tail knives and throwing spike,needle,thorn ?