Talk:Voiced palatal approximant

message: What's the deal with the following paragraph?
In most languages of Central, Northern and Eastern Europe, the letter "j" denotes the palatal approximant, like the German word "Jacke". In Finnic languages such as Finnish, this is mostly without exception, but the Savo dialect also marks palatalization with 'j'. In Germanic languages, there are exceptions such as the Swedish and Norwegian digraph "tj" ([t̠ɕ], [ɕ], or [ç]).
It's talking about letters a bit too much, isn't it? Seems more appropriate for the article on the letter J. FilipeS 00:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be because there's not much else about the sound.  What if it were "In most languages of ...Europe, the palatal approximant is represented by the letter j"? Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Since English has other names that preserves the approximation of a foreign pronunciations, I don't see a problem with Jägermeister. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 18:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: How common is the unvoiced palatal approximant?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.230.43 (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unvoiced 

message: The following occurence si wrong: french 	yeux 	[jø] 	'eyes'
The sound is in french but the example is wrong. 'yeux' (irregular plural of 'oeil') is not pronounced [jø] but [ziə]
The french phonology page has: miel [mjɛl] 'honey'
A french word with an initial [j] would be better, but i have none in mind right now. 88.175.74.22 (talk) 20:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my dictionary, the transcription is correct.  You either speak an irrepresentative dialect or one of us has been misinformed about French pronunciation.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 03:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are right! Mea culpa. I'm a native french, so i thought it was [ziə] because actually in french, you never hear it as [jø]. Because it's a plural, it's almost always preceded by words like "les" or "des" and you make the link between the 's' and 'yeux', even in a sentence like "Il a de beaux yeux", where the adjectives is marked with plural, you make the link with the 'x' and it's pronounced like [ziə]. I thought so because of that the pronounciation of this word as [jø] sounded very awckward to me. But i check several dictionaries, and you're right, the standalone pronouciation is [jø]. However because it can  rarely be heard  pronouced like that, I'd propose another word i just found in the dictionary: yaourt [jauʀt] 'yoghurt'. It is also a very common word.88.175.74.22 (talk) 10:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, it all makes sense.  The [z] is from the preceding determiner, the [i] is simply a syllabic version of [j], and [ə] is, in French, often phonetically identical to [ø].  The logic of your proposal is sound, so I've changed the French example to yaourt.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 04:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, and for [ə] vs [ø], it's possible there is a merger in france (for me there's no difference between 'ce' and 'ceux' like it's said in the french phonology page), this is sure for my accent (lower normandy), and i don't here it in paris too, i think it applies at least to the whole north-west quarter of france, however, it's possible there's no merger in the south, i know they say [ø] for some words, what i don't know is whether they always say [ø] or if they sometimes say [ə] depending on the word. In all case, merger or not, [ə] or [ø] is an accent issue and doesn't affect the understanding, i think. 88.177.169.145 (talk) 11:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  French occurence error 

message: Saia is not a good example for Portuguese because it if frequently pronounced as ['saj.ja] which can give you an impression of ['saʝa].  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Martens (talk • contribs) 18:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What's a better example? — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 20:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Saia'' is not a good example for Portuguese

message: Why is the first word of the Brazilian Portuguese example "os olhos" rendered as [ujˈz]? As per my question at Portuguese phonology#Epenthesis in Brazilian Portuguese, it doesn't seem to correlate to what that article says. — Sebastian 15:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It now has [ujˈzɔj.ju], but shouldn't it end in a [s] or [ʃ] or something? --JorisvS (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  os olhos