Talk:Kielbasa

message: Sorry, ladz, but kielbasa is never made of only pork. It is impossible, to make good kielbasa without beef.
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Regarding the above statement: it is absolutely not true. Most of kiełbasas are made only from pork meat - of course with various spices. 99% of kiełbasas are also made with "industrial" ingredients like starch, soy protein, preservatives and so on. It's very hard to find a meat+spices-only kiełbasa, often it's possible only in homemade ones (though hardly anyone makes them at home, especially in the cities). Most good kiełbasas have 80-95% meat (containing some percent of fat). The cheap ones, used for grilling have ~30-50% of meat (rest being all kinds of fillers: water, starch, soy protein, gelatin etc.). However, you can find also some that shouldn't be named kiełbasa at all, having 20-30% of meat, and the rest being all sort of stuffing like Mechanically separated meat fat, skins, joints and so on.
Back on the topic, historically kiełbasa made from veel was also made (of course more expensive), but currently in sale are kiełbasas "with veel", meaning 1-5% of veel, the rest still being pork.
Also if you will search long enough, you can find kiełbasa made exclusively with horse meat. However, in most stores if you ever encounter horse meat, it will be mostly in the form of horse kabanosy (kabanosy końskie). Currently (2016) in 99% of shops you will not find any horse meat.
Regarding beef kiełbasas - they are in sale, but the typical meat shop (sklep mięsny) you will find 30 types of pork kiełbasa and 0 or 1 type of beef kiełbasa.
The mix of pork, beef and chicken meats (or should I say: meat-like ingredients) is often available only in the cheapest kiełbasas (these with 20-30% "meat" content).
Just for the record:
- good kiełbasa (with meat) (25-40 PLN/kg, ~10-15 USD/kg):
- grill-like kiełbasa (30-50% meat) (8-15 PLN/kg, 3-6 USD/kg): 
- something you shouldn't eat, but can get in hospital catering (<30% meat) (notice the air bubbles) (6-8 PLN/kg, <2 USD/kg): 
That being said, I have to admit that after being in various western-europe countries (Italy, Greece, France), as well as Canada, almost everything being sold in shops with the name "Kielbasa", "Kolbasa" etc. doesn't even remotely taste like real kiełbasa, which you can buy in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belarus, Ukraine etc. The main difference is that in western countries "kolbasa" has only a little bit of real meat, is filled with water and fillers and often it is sold uncooked (most real kiełbasas are smoked (wędzona), often also boiled (parzona, which for example isn't the case with many kobasica in Serbia, kolbasz in Hungary or Chorrizo in Italy) and most importantly, dried (more dried = more expensive, but it ensures that it isn't a hotdog, which wouldn't look still like food after drying). In fact, these western kiełbasa-like products are most closely comparable to the worst industrial kiełbasa (<30% meat).
Hope this will help anyone that will get here to not make any assumptions about real kiełbasa just based on their local product labeled "polish kielbasa" :) Come to Poland and check out the real thing! 207.253.66.187 (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Pork

message: :Should not this be moved to Kolbasa. Let's see what other guys think, and then move it. --Ghirlandajo 11:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. --Ghirlandajo 12:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But in America it's called Kielbasa (or sometimes even Kyelbasa), and that's why this article is here and not at Kiełbasa, which would be the Polish name for it. Halibutt 12:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They are probably many versions of the name, remember that wiki is not a dictionary.If you want make a article about Ukrainian cuisine, Belarusian cuisine and Russian cuisine-I am sure all these three diverse nations all have interesting food that would be worthy of contribution in seperate articles on each nations food traditions.-Molobo 12:12, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, let it be kielbasa. --Ghirlandajo 12:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with Molobo here, though in my honest oppinion the Ukrainian kovbasa is not the best thing in the world and the best they have there is called... Krakivska, after the city of Krakow. Halibutt 15:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh come on, it's the most serious dispute we've been involved so far... err... sorry for the OT. Halibutt 02:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The historical precedent for this dispute would be the ever-going and never-ending dispute on supperiority of Christmas over Easter, or the other way around. Halibutt
I've got no problem with you mentioning Mundre, but please realise that that region of Canada is heavily Ukrainian, not Polish.  I think this article and Kovbasa should be merged, with seperate articles for national varities.  My precedent for this it that perogies / pyrohy / varenyky are covered by the same article.  But if you want to keep this one strictly Polish, Mundre doesn't belong.  Kevlar67 17:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure. However, we should also mention the variety of region type of Polish sausages (one common one not mentioned was podwawelska), and a serious mention should be made on the Sausage page since Polish sausages are world renowned, whereas French less so (and yet are mentioned). --24.91.40.69 04:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kolbasa

message: Kovbasa got deleted, so I tried to merge in the content to here.  I hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers.  Kevlar67 05:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oh, here's an article about the Canadian spelling University of Ottawa. Kevlar67 05:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Take it up with the guys that deleted Kovbasa.  They are similar recipies though, aren't they? Kevlar67 05:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Hungarian kolbász seems to be only a regional variant of keilbasa. we don't have separate articles for Slovak or Czech klobása, so why do we need a separate article for the Hungarian variant. Kielbasa is an English word. Kolbász is not. So, I propose that Kolbász be merged into Kielbasa.   — Chris Capoccia  T⁄C 07:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Proposal (Kolbász into Kielbasa) 

message: Kolbasz is not a Hungarian variant of Kielbasa or only a regional variant of Kielbasa. Kielbasa is an English word (? more Polish, i gues) but that does not mean that this is the word wich should be used för the Hungarian sausages (like the word "wurst" in German).  Those are called Gyulai kolbász, Csabai kolbász, Debreceni kolbász and so on. Kolbasz is quite simply the word for sausage in Hungarian language and the article contains informatiomn about Hungarian sausages. Kielbasa in Hungarian is is called Kabanos. You may change the title to Hungarian sausages if you want. But there  are articles on other countrys sausages too. There are articles on American sausages Australian sausages Austrian sausages Basque sausages British sausages Bulgarian sausages Chilean sausages Chinese sausages Croatian sausages Cuban sausages  Dutch sausages English sausages Filipino sausages Finnish sausages French sausages German sausages Italian sausages Portuguese sausages Puerto Rican sausages Scottish sausages  South African sausages Spanish sausages Swedish sausages Swiss sausages Taiwanese sausages and Vietnamese sausages.
Those sausages usually are mentioned by their countrys original names on the variety of the sausages they have. like Biroldo, Chorizo, Mustamakkara, Ciauscolo, Cotechino Modena, Frikandel and so on. Should you merge those articles  into the kielbasa too?
eWarrington (talk) 14:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hungarian sausages

message: The above sentence sounds more like an advertisement than a encyclopedia entry; moreover it is probably not true since the kielbasa is described as a "staple" rather than a luxury food and use of the best meat would make it prohibitively expensive. --Georgius (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Real kielbasa uses only the choicest cuts of tender pork" 

message: It says "Ukrainian sausage" as an alternate name... but isn't it also called "Polish sausage" ? 76.66.192.144 (talk) 04:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish sausage

message: especially in the comedic sense 12.41.255.10 (talk) 13:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for popular usage of the term kielbasa in media section 

message: I don't understand it. What does kielbasa has to do with Polish diaspora? I think it's misleading. Even more so in the case of Ukraine, where the only mentioned thing is pronunciation. Consider deleting "and the x diaspora" part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.231.178.65 (talk) 00:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: the heading "Poland and the Polish diaspora" and "Ukraine and the Ukrainian diaspora"

message: Some authentic places http://www.menupages.com/menuprocess?id=2475&link=427e6fe7ada47b63c73f94ce186695760d28cc1e7d5494ddca8956fafeb3b85b in NYC sell it as Kielbasy (full disclosure: I go there for the pierogi).  There is a village in Poland with the name but I have no idea if it is related at all.  I realize this is an old article but I searched Wikipedia for Kielbasy thinking sausage and was directed to the village, which had no link to this page. Unmasked (talk) 17:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Kielbasy

message: I note that there's been nothing of significance added to improve the quality of this article for years. Judging by discussions on the talk page, a few previous developers and purveyors of fine (bolshi great) klobaserscontent decided to merge all Eastern Slavic sausages into a single article, yet retain emphasis on the number and 'world renown' (er, where was the RS for that?) deliciousness of Polish sausages.
Not only is it lacking in what would actually qualify as being WP:RS, WP:BOLLOCKS and assorted other chunks of WP:OR have been thrown into the mix since anyone bothered with retaining it on their watchlist. Suggested reciperemedy: time to re-stuff this intestinearticle with some fresh, quality chunks of RS. Bad puns aside, this is a mess pretending to be informative. If you can't even get IPA transliterations right, how can anything else be taken as good coin. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badly sourced and badly balanced 

message: Is this really significantly less common? I can  buy it in the polish foods section of my local tesco. Maybe it is untypical.but not uncommon?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.173.247 (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm leaving your addition for the moment, but I'm uncertain as to which came first: kielbasa biala or Weisswurst? This is where reliable sources are essential, and what the article is lacking. I know I can by the same at most delicatessen sections of supermarkets in Australia, but they're known as weisswurst (unless I by it from a small, boutique Polish delicatessen). If I buy it from a Hungarian or other Central European deli, it's weisswurst... and, yes, there are multiple permutations on the ingredients, and how it is served, but not enough to distinguish it from being regional takes on the same basic sausage. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

text: My apologies if my more generalised query came across as sounding as if the onus was on you to provide references, 82.37.173.247. That was certainly not my intent. Yes, kielbasa biala was already referenced in the article. What I'm trying to establish is whether it was adopted under the Austro-Hungarian Empire, as many foodstuffs were, from regions under their jurisdiction, or whether it was a regional sausage recipe specific to Polish cuisine which became popular under the name of Weisswurst (literally "white sausage"). There is cuisine that can be traced back to a specific region, and there are foods that were - conversely - adopted in regions under the influence of the empire. It would be useful to find reliable sources in order to ascertain which came first. The usage of different forms of the name in the Anglosphere doesn't necessarily reflect the origins, only the predominant nomenclature in any given part of the world outside of its origins. Consequently, I'm going to tag it as needing references for its origins in the actual article. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  kielbasa biala 

message: Pretty obvious that there would be a wide range of values there, but I came to the article from a reference that suggested it might be unusually high in calories or something else that might be generally bad or only bad in excess. Even more clarity on the ingredients would be helpful, but I guess what I really wanted to know is the percentage of fats, perhaps in comparison to other kinds of sausage... Shanen (talk) 08:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm uncertain as to what your expectations are of an article on cuisines from around the world. This isn't the medical article component of Wikipedia - therefore we're not qualified to speculate on beneficial or non-beneficial aspects regarding health - nor are we qualified to make guesstimates regarding calories/kilojoules as there would not be a standard unless you bought them pre-packaged with such information provided by the manufacturers. It's WP:OFFTOPIC for the purposes of this article (per WP:TITLE). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nutritional values? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is no mustard;-) The big round object is a slice of kielbasa krakowska, the white curved shape is a (boiled) white sausage. Also, I'm sure that the second from the left is not kabanos, but a sausage called frankfurterka [], []. But there is an additional problem, the name "frankfurterka" means also Frankfurter Würstchen, quite different sausage. Bartekltg (talk) 11:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first picture 

message: "kiełbasa wiejska (farmhouse sausage) — which is what most people think of when they hear "kielbasa"."  --  Maybe, but why is there no entry for this term in the Polish Wikipedia?Kdammers (talk) 02:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  kw 

message: Not clear why ł has been removed? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of ł

message: I want to do it, because someone misspelled the word "kiełbasa". I would just simply copy everything from this article, and paste the text into the new one. Almost everyone writes that word wrong. I live in Poland (correct me for grammar mistakes), so, I just want everyone to know the mistake.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.21.151.87 (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In English-speaking countries where Poles constitute a significant minority (United States, Canada and others) the conventional spelling is "kielbasa". The Polish spelling is provided in the lead [introductory] section for clarification. Merangs (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I want to move this article from "kielbasa" to "kiełbasa".