Talk:Ethical movement

message: This entry seems to speak of a larger general Ethical movement whereas the American Ethical Union seems to be a more specific organization that is separate and distinct from the overall movement. There are many academics and philosophers who identify with the Ethical movement but not with the American Ethical Union. I say kill the redirect and create a separate article. If Sunday Assembly gets an entry, then why not AEU? See the American Ethical Union website  Samatva (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Needed 

message: I don't see WHY this is a religion, as understanded by everyone. They call it "religion", but I think we should say "so-called religion", because they don't have gods (as theistics do) nor other metaphysical realm (as nontheistic religions do). They are just Ethical atheists...
--Damifb 23:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that something less POV than "so-called" could be used. Perhaps something like "self-identified" that indicates that they identify themselves as a religion, but that others do not feel they are. Such a statement would also require some sort of citation. "So-called" also makes one ask the question "so called by whom?" Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 01:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: At least six different dictionaries I checked all have non-God definitions of "religion." Buddhists don't generally identify a "god" yet is in every aspect they have a religion. The "Ethical movement" might not quite qualify as a religion, but the American Ethical Union organization is definitely a religion. Samatva (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion? 

message: In his autobiography Steiner presents his evaluation  of the idea behind the establishment of this movement. Perhaps something of this merits mentioning in the present article. __meco  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meco (talk • contribs) 08:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rudolf Steiner's skepticism 

message: heading added later by another user because the topic is different from the previous section
Two points:
1) Ethical Culture has been legally tested as a religion several times and has consistently been found to qualify.  To wit it is classified as a religion by the IRS.
2) Please add an external link to the Philadelphia Chapter/Congregation  http://www.phillyethics.org/ Hpeerpa1 (talk) 01:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two remarks 

message: I take serious issue with this statement in the article:
"He was especially drawn to the Kantian ideas that one could not prove the existence or non-existence of deities or immortality and that morality could be established independently of theology."
Kant held that while the existence of God (not 'deities') and the reality of human immortality were not demonstrable by speculative reason, they were absolutely necessary postulates of practical reason. That is, Kant believed that one must posit the existence of God and human immortality in order to have a workable ethics. Maybe this is how Adler read Kant; I also don't know too much about academic Neo-Kantianism as was then dominant. But it is still, I think, rather inaccurate to present  the independence of morality from theology as a generically 'Kantian' idea.CharlesMartel (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misstatement of Kantianism 

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message: The lead says "The Ethical movement is an outgrowth of secular moral traditions in the 19th century, principally in Europe and the United States." Although this sentence is only about the roots of the movement, when first reading I got the impression that the movement is or has been active in both areas, but only a location in Great Britain are mentioned, not in other parts of Europe. The old History section, above on this talk page, mentions also a group in Frankfurt. The recent, somehow related Sunday Assemblies seem to have had meetings in other European cities (Dublin, Amsterdam, Hamburg) and other continents. It would be nice if the article would elaborate a bit more about the 'ethical movement' in general, outside the AEU, since the latter has its own article. Bever (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe 

message: When my soon-to-be wife and I needed to get married in a hurry in New York, prior to a contractual reason to get over to London due to an engagement there, it seemed that the Ethical Culture rules did not require 6 months' notice of intent to marry, unlike other (formal) church rules.
It was thanks to this church for enabling. JohnClarknew (talk) 03:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Practical Aspect