Talk:Avicenna

message: I am not sure why this article is locked and it wasn't clear how to request editing.  If someone else is able to edit, please go in an add a bunch of the missing links to other WP articles e.g. the article, in one paragraph mentions Galen four times, but no where else in the article.  There are no links to the article on Galen. While I suspect most people who read this page know who he was and all about the four humors, etc. I am not so sure that msot people reading the article would be expected to know this and it. I think the article on The Cannon of Medicine would beenfit from a bit more context as well.
I also think that given the somewhat enthusiastic sentiment which states he is the leading mind after Hippocrates and Galen, that perhaps some further discussion that could provide context about what was the prevailing views at the time, why this somewhat hyperbolic statement, is actually reasonable, and probably accurate statement, and what was the state of medicine in Europe, and what other leading medical scholars of the era were about. Its just if you make such statements in a WP article you really need to substantiate it with links or cites to authoratative sources.
 I agree with the conclusion, but not necessariy the tone, which may benefit from being a bit more neutral in nuances.  
I don't think there is a good appreciation of how little progress was made in Europe from the time of the late Roman empire until the 1600's and why that is (and am sure that there are other articles that would be useful to link to to help give people an opportunity to appreciate the reason why some authors have been so superperlitive in their choice of adjectives.  It wasn't all gloom and doom, but a lot of prior knowledge was only made available to European physicians via the Cannon of Medicine and other similar works given that the most prolific of all ancient Greeks was Galen and his work didn't quite make the cut-off off in time for translation into Latin and didn't really show up in European medicine until translated into Arabic (excepting some of his work by Oribasius) in 8th Century e.g. by Hunayn ibn Ishaq. 
I think it is an example of where adding the links might help most people who may not be history of of medicine buffs.DrKC MD (talk) 08:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for some housekeeping and edits--but page is locked

message: Can we correct the page name to be Ibn Sina's original name Abu Ali al-Husayn ibn Abillah ibn al-Hasan ibn Ali ibn Sina rather than Avicenna as known in the west.
Surely a person would rather be identified and recognised but his official birth name which historians have recorded as Abu Ali al-Husayn ibn Abillah ibn al-Hasan ibn Ali ibn Sina.  For justification we can look at Al-Farabi's page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Farabi where his page is named by his original name rather than the western name Alpharabius — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anaschillin (talk • contribs) 22:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is the English Wikipedia, so the legit title is Avicenna. Your remark about Al-Farabi is irrelevant, since in English, he's called Al-Farabi, not Alpharabius. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is English Wikipedia, but we could have the decency to use Ibn Sina's name instead of some Latinate corruption of it. June-tree (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Also, Please see the comments made to your earlier request for the same thing.  See my comments under your prior posting of the same nature.  Please read the response editors provide you and don't just keep re-posting the same request based on your misperception.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrKC MD (talk • contribs) 09:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you I just made this request as well. What a weird defensive response you got. 78.139.198.171 (talk) 23:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name 

message: Under medieval section 
"As early as the 13th century when Dante Alighieri depicted him in Limbo alongside the virtuous non-Christian thinkers in his Divine Comedy"
The Divine Comedy was written in 1320, so it is 14th Century not 13th. Mikelwiki575 (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: in the future, please consider using the  template: this is the perfect counterexample, but normally the template gets things done more quickly. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 00:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested correction, 14th century not 13th 

message: Though he has written a few works in persian, it was most probably used to convey literature just as arabic. His first language was most probably sogdian.  In this sense, he would be "persian" only in the frequent meaning in english that Persia means the whole ancient Iran. Wouldn't, however, other identifications as of Sogdian, Iranian, Central Asian, from present Uzbekistan, also arabic, as  being the language of most of his work, be also relevant? 191.210.246.4 (talk) 14:26, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but we base our info on academic sources, not the personal opinion of users. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Ibn Sina 

message: Hello all, I had a recommendation in regards to the name of Ibn Sina in Persian. As you all know, "Ibn" is an Arabic suffix to which there are Persian equivalents. In some Persian sources, Ibn Sina is called Pour Sina, Pour meaning the same thing as Ibn. I am curious to see if anyone thinks it would be appropriate to include پور سینا (pour Sina) in addition to Ibn Sina, which is also included in the Persian version of this article. Thank you. 
Sources: 
http://www.parsianjoman.org/wp-content/uploads/ParsiSareh.pdf (Page numbers of PDF: 25, 34,) (The article is in Persian)
https://www.iranketab.ir/book/63551-poorsina (Persian book that uses "Pour Sina" and not "Ibn Sina" in the title)
https://abadis.ir/fatofa/%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%86%D8%A7/ (Scroll down to see the Dehkhoda Dictionary entry)MarkParker1221 (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if there is an authoritative citation that indicates what he might have referred to himself, or what any of his peers would have, then it would be totally reasonable to include it with his already non-trivial list of names. 
If it just a translation of what we know from the historic person, from what was written in Arabic, into Person by modern authors, then I don't know that it would add anything to the article that translation of his Arabic name into any other contemporary language would. (perhaps even less, e.g. if there is an English translation of Ibn I think it is always helpful to give people as much context as possible to understand, and they certainly did tend to put a lot more in a name, particularly of a polymath who was a widely respected scholar. I defer to the historic figure and documents as to what he was called.
If you have any information about which of the other names listed he might have used, or who might have used a specific name, that would be interesting to include.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrKC MD (talk • contribs) 09:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian name of Ibn Sina 

message: Needs correction: 
His father was from Balkh. 
Balkh is a very famous city located in present day Afghanistan not Turkmenistan. 
You can confirm it with a quick and short Google search. 
I was born in Afghanistan that's why I am sure what I am talking about. 2607:FEA8:BA5:C450:8D76:240A:3F2B:21EC (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh here but; in Wikipedia we follow WP:RS, not random Google searches. Being from Afghanistan doesn't give you a PHD in history, especially since Avicenna has no relation to Afghanistan, as it did not exist back then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction  

message: First, Ibn Sina wrote an autobiography for his pupil named Abu Ubayd Al-Juzjani, which his student then completed with a concluding chapter. This autobiographical text was later included by Ibn Abi Ashaybi'ah in his work entitled 'Uyūn al-Anbā' fī Thabaqāt al-Athibbā' (Literary History of Medicine). This is the main source of Ibn Sina lifestory, especially for early childhood and education.
Second, Ibn Sina was born in 980 when Nuh ibn Mansyur was in power and the Samanid dynasty was facing war with the Karakhanids in the north and the Buyid dynasty in the south. Then, the Samanid empire was fall to Karakhanids in 999, and completely gone in 1004. No one mention this war in the background of Ibnu Sina's biography. Just for note, after the death of Nuh ibn Mansyur in 997, Ibn Sina fleed from Bukhara. 
Lokamaya (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autobiography of Avicenna 

message: Change  to  and add  after it. ― Ö S M A N  (talk · contribs) 06:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2023 

message: The main name is Ibn Sina, Avicenna is a nickname that should be in the paragraph not the Title. 100.15.218.54 (talk) 21:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The WP:COMMONNAME of this scholar is Avicenna.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 March 2024 

message: I know it was incredibly hard and inconvenient back in the day to say “Ibn Sīnā” but don’t you think it’s time to give him his name back? I mean all of that talk of representation and cultural appropriation that’s happening in the west, does that include our scientists who got their names stolen to “fit”. 
his western name should be in the () and his Actual name or what we call his Kunea should be the title of the page  
Ibn Sīnā
thank you 78.139.198.171 (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Avicenna and Ibn Sina are not different names, they are different romanisations of the same name. We typically use whatever spelling is preferred by the majority of current sources, and it would appear based on the sources cited in the article that "Avicenna" is still more commonly used in the 21st century (although "Ibn Sina" is being used more often). Compare e.g. Aristotle, not Aristotélēs. ITBF (talk) 08:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Change hiss to his KEP95 (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Jamedeus (talk) 02:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  His name.  

message: Why because of politics they hide that he was a persian.are all of us bad guys that world should not know?shame that persian did very goog works for this world but never been respected. Mike tiger111 (talk) 10:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 10:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2024