Talk:Greek resistance

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The resistance put up by the Greeks in WW2 was recognised as at the time as immense by both the allied and German sides looking on. At a time when mighty nations such as France with 45 million population had collapsed in 17 days, the Greeks managed to defeat the an Italian army twice its size and with many times its fire power means and then hold off the German and Bulgarian invasion for 2 months. This was longer than anyother nation up to that point. Winston Chruchill famously said after the Greek-Italian battle, "From now one we wont say Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks".
The measure of resistance was also paid considerable homage to by German officals:
Hitler's Chief of Staff Field Marshall Keitel stated at Nurenberg that, "The unbelievable strong resistance of the Greeks delayed by two or more vital months the German attack against Russia; if we did not have this long delay, the outcome of the war would have been different in the eastern front and in the war in general.” 
A speech made at the Reichstag in 1941 said of the campaign; “It must be said, for the sake of historical truth, that amongst all our opponents, only the Greeks fought with such endless courage and defiance of death.” The diary of Joseph Goebbels 9 April 1941: “I forbid the Press to underestimate the Greeks, to defame them... The Fuhrer admires the bravery of Greeks.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.160.63 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praises 

message: I have studied many sources and the matter is much more complicated than blaming the Germans. Greece was mainly producing oil, sultanas and tobacco, all taken in large by the Germans, leaving little for the local economy. The winter of 41 was also one of the worst recorded and Greece relied heavily on grains shipped by the British - who stopped all imports in order to deprive the Germans from supply. The Greek population in big cities fell victim of this strategy as much as the German exploitation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadjune (talk • contribs) 13:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famine during occupation

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_during_the_Holocaust —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.169.220 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Article

message: I think it is worth mentioning the famine of 41-42 in relation to the occupation forces and the coll. government. That is why I restored the sentence removed by Factuarius, rephrasing it however, because the previous wording seemed to me POV.
The famine was not, of caurse, caused by the government, but the latter was partly responsible for it. There were various factors that led to the famine, but one of the reasons which exacerbated it, was the government's mismanagement or, to phrase it slightly differently, its inefficiency to guarantee the proper supply of the capital with the necessary agricultural products (including cereals) from the province. In his excellent analysis, Fleischer (Στέμμα και Σβάστιγγα, Α') explains how and why this happened. Delays in imports because of a German-English antagonism contributed to the delayed reaction to the famine. In any case, I do not have the book in front of me right now, but I try to give an idea of what seemed to me as a comprehensive analysis even-handedly splitting the responsibilities of each protagonist of the crisis. After a month from now, I can be more accurate in my remarks!
I also found Factuarius' explanation of the inflation as a bit simplistic. I agree that it was not a responsibility of the government (it had no actual influence on monetary policy), but it was not (or it was not only) the gold the King took that caused inflation, but the disrepute and unreliability of the currency, caused by the facts (how credible can the currency of an occupied country be?), but also by a series of serious mistakes of the occupation forces, which the government was unable to prevent. Specialists were sent from Germany to tackle the issue, but again incoherent and incomplete mixes of experimental policies failed to prevent what looked inevitable. Fleischer treats this issue as well in an analysis, which again looked to me comprehensive.--Yannismarou (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oups! Sorry, but the other reverts where unintentional! I don't know how I performed this miracle! Anyway, I reverted myself using the rollback tool against me! Concerning the famine, I agree that the British where MAINLY but not SOLELY responsible. In Fleischer's book, there are specific references to the inadequacy of the government to convince and co-ordinate suppliers and producers from the rest of Greece to provide the capital with the supplies it desperately needed. Unfortunately, I'll have access to the book and the primary sources mentioend there in about a month, when I'll return to Greece. If my arguments do not cover you, feel free to revert me; I'll come back on the issue in about a month from now. The discussion about the inflation is basically philosophical, because my edit did not made any such reference; I just commented on an edit summary of yours. I promise I'll come back on this issue again in a month from now! Patience!--Yannismarou (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text: No problem Yannismarou. As for Fleiscer take your time, I see no need for rash. I'll bring my refs here and I'll wait yours. --Factuarius (talk) 12:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Famine

message: I have modify the board according to the standard of the boards of other resistances at wikipedia  (e.g. French Resistance and Polish Resistance). At the left side are the occupation forces and at the right side the resistance forces. Isn't that a good idea?
Also to the references of other arcticles I have replaced the Armia Krajowa's article with the arcticle of Polish resistance movement in World War II as more complete article about the polish resistance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.246.70 (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belligerents Board and Other articles (See also) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: page moved.  Andrewa (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Greek Resistance →  – The NGRAM makes it clear that "Greek R/resistance" overwhelmingly refers to this event and is not usually capitalized. Therefore, per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, it should not be capitalized in the article title. (t · c) buidhe 03:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 May 2021 

message: At the end of the part about radio operators in cities, the article says, "operators were often shot on the spot, and those were the lucky ones, since immediate execution prevented torture." As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I don't know if this is the language we want in our articles - isn't part of the appeal of Wikipedia that we offer an unbiased (as much as possible) view? Additionally, wouldn't categorizing being summarily executed as better than torture, which is a moral, not factual question, and therefore would be outside the purview of this article. Therefore, I believe that the language used here should be modified to something more neutral, such as "operators were often shot on the spot, and if not summarily executed, they would be tortured and then executed." Tangentially, a source is required to show whether or not radio operators were shot 'usually' shot on the spot. 
Shadowmetallic (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language in “Resistance in Cities” section