Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sydney/Suburbs

message: Do we want to create a standard format to share between all the cities? (Which I would strongly suggest). If so, there really ought to be just one spot for discussion of article format, with this page and the WPM page kept for discussing each city's specifics. Where would this shared page go though? (If we follow history, it'll start out at the WikiProject Melbourne, then the WikiProject Sydney will want it, then the talk page itself will decide to found the WikiProject Canberra to spite both of us!) T.P.K. 06:27, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this that the creation of an Australia WikiProject would be perfect for this! - Ta bu shi da yu 06:34, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-Project standards 

message: I've added a page for listing wanted photos, hope this is OK. There are some wanted photos that I've had on my to-do list for ages for both myself and Ta bu shi da yu, and I still haven't gotten around to them — so I'm going to try an experiment and make a public "Wanted Photos" list, and see if that leads to better results. All the best, -- Nickj 01:45, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wanted Photos 

message: ...to :category:incomplete Sydney localities which can be more general, as some of the areas already listed are not strictly suburbs (such as Ku-ring-gai Council and others).  clarkk 12:02, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Update (after 2 years!) - This category was deleted --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  02:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggest rename of [[:category:Incomplete Sydney suburbs]] 

message: I put a potential copyright violation tag into the Concord  discussion page. The material that has been put up looks suspect to me. --Alexxx1 23:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: I've taken the Summer Hill article and extracted most of suburb-specific information, leaving a fairly generic skeleton at User:PeterJeremy/Suburb Skeleton.  My original intention was to take existing suburb stubs (eg Forestville), put the existing information in the skeleton and leave the rest blank - look at User:PeterJeremy/Forestville for the result.
Having actually looked through the skeleton, even after filling in the easy bits (like the surrounding suburbs, land values, electoral results etc), there's still a lot left (and I've spend about 6 hours on it so far).  Is it better to have all the headings in place, some with nothing, or dummy entries, in them, or slowly pad out the article, not having any empty headings?  The former is much easier to work on, because the skeleton is in place, but it doesn't look especially wonderful until it's complete.
--PeterJeremy 00:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburb Skeleton 

message: "Population statistics (can be found from the Bureau of Statistics Office). Tip: The ABS website is a very hard to navigate - so to find the right document, search google for POA2234 (replace "2234" with the right postcode for your suburb)" - unfortunately some suburbs share the same postcode eg. 2147 ie Seven Hills, Lalor Park, and Kings Langley. These are quite major population areas. How can one get the break up of each area? Anyway what is it with the ABS making life so difficult with such a horrible site? Makes me quite glad that I haven't filled out a census form for my household since 1981. Albatross2147 06:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Suburb-specific stats can be found here. we should use these rather than the postcode stats. - Randwicked Alex B 15:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: These files include a lot of statistics and are quite hard to select from. If I were to create a script that summarised them, what should it include? jnothman talk 09:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ABS Data

message: I have deleted the whereis link as the interface has changed and it no longer works.  If anyone knows the new interface to whereis via lat and long, please fix this.  I couldn't find any ref on their web site (short of buying their API toolkit).  Also, if someone does fix this, please use whereis.com rather than whereis.com.au as that avoids a redirect. Stephen.frede 07:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for doing that, and I couldn't find a way to get the new whereis site to work using long + lat either, short of handing them over wads of cash. I've added multimap instead, which now does Australia, so we should be back to 3 street directories now. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I tried it, it gave an error message, requiring a client parameter, so I added "client=public" to the URL, which is what the main web interface to the site uses, and now it works a treat.  Thanks for finding that.  BTW, I've started using this template on some railway stations - it didn't seem worthwhile creating a new template for what would only be a minor difference in scale parameter. Stephen.frede 11:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mapping Template

message: Just a suggestion, but topographic mapping for Australia is now available through a digital atlas - see this example.  If you know the decimal lat and long for the location then you can bring up a map centered on that point using the formulation http://maps.bonzle.com/c/a?a=p&x=&y=.
Gonebush 10:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suburb Mapping Template/Topographic mapping

message: Sorry for the satirical heading. 
I've corrected the headings on the subpage to accord to WP's style guide, and avoid encouraging editors unconsciously to cap section headings in articles.
Thanks to editors who have worked on Sydney suburb articles (presumably mostly quite a while ago). I'm moving [Suburb], [NSW] gradually to [Suburb], [Sydney], which is just a little more helpful to readers who are unfamiliar with Sydney (Birchgrove is not just north Armidale). WP is not a postal envelope, let's remember: NSW is a very big place—the size of western and central Europe—and article titles should be as helpful as possible, and as succinct as possible, according to the policy. 
I'm correcting overlinking of common terms (see MOSLINK) like "suburb" and quite a few others, and removing "located" in opening sentences where I find it. It's a pity this segment of WP was written in these ways, but understandable if it was a long time ago. My best. Tony (talk)  02:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Still waiting for the diff to the consensus you're claiming to support your iron-grip naming decision on these articles. Could you give me a timefame for when it will be placed here, please? Tony (talk)  07:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Added 2004. Never challenged in 12 years. Consensus by acquiescence. 202.159.191.52 (talk) 12:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not the way consensus works. If you can't point to where and when it was agreed to, it's not covered by consensus. I can find no good reason that Sydney suburbs should not be named as part of the city they're in. Suburbs in states? That is not intuitive, and unhelpful for readers. ... and Wikiprojects do not have automatic stylistic authority over any article they choose to "own". Tony (talk)  12:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every edit requires consensus, only contentious ones. Like yours. Look up the Wikipedia entry for ANY suburb in ANY Australian capital city. See the consistency? Thousands of suburbs, all with a title written in the same format (Suburb, State). See also WP:NCAUST for national convention. You make a few changes to suburbs along Victoria Road and Anzac Parade and think it is helpful to the program? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.159.191.52 (talk) 13:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So who are you? If you want to weigh in pontificating on what is contentious and what is not, you need to go beyond being an anonymous entity. Tony (talk)  15:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: whoa Tony! This doesn't need to be contentious. I'd just make your case, which you've done and I think it's a fair one. But let's talk about this civilly :-)- Letsbefiends (talk) 08:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

text: It sounds pretty reasonable to me, actually. I think it is better to use Sydney - my only question is what are the boundaries? Should it only be in the metropolitan area? But I agree, a decision made 14 years ago on naming conventions isn't necessarily the best way of naming things, though it may have seemed that way at the time :-) - Letsbefiends (talk) 08:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburb, southern hemisphere