Talk:Chiptune

message: Chiptune has become very popular as genuine music in the UK recently. worth a mention I think. Sabrepulse also deserve reference somwhere in this article.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.33.109 (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chiptune Revival 

message: I took the liberty to remove the recordlabels as that was blatant 
commercial advertising and didn´t provide any useful information.
Looking at other genre´s wikipages I noticed that we have an unusually
big linkfarm here. Perhaps a radical trim is in order?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.250.21.85 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 23 July 2006  (UTC)
:Hi there,
:I agree that we have waaaay too many links on this page, however I don't feel that it is necessary to remove the labels section in its entirety. Some of the labels you removed are certainly notable within this (re-)emerging genre (8bitpeoples.com, micromusic.net, x-dump, etc.), and as such, they should be included. I don't think that they constitute blatant advertising as well, and I would like to wait until a consensus is reached before we go a head and blank the labels section. -- Ryanfantastic 03:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: Trimmed down the lists in the article.
===Modern chiptune artists and groups===
*Dubmood
*8bitpeoples
*beepdealers
*GOTO80
*Gijs Gieskes
*Aleksi Eeben (Heatbeat)
*firestARTer
*David Sugar (logicbomb)
*YM Rockerz
*She
*ZX Spectrum Orchestra
*Nullsleep
*Bit Shifter
*Lo-bat
*Covox
*Snoopdroop
*Neotericz
*Snowrobot
*Hey Kid Nice Robot
*xik
*Sidabitball
*Ogge
*Zabutom
*Jake Kaufman (Virt)
*Binärpilot
*Rugar
*Anamanaguchi
*RushJet1
*Crazy Q
*Psilodump
*Paza
*Karawapo
*Cerror
*M-.-n
*Hally
*Hein Holt
*Chibitech
*VideoHomeTraining
*Stage7
*Funky Fish
*nula
*4.19Mhz  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.94.41 (talk) 06:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yo, put it back. That's what I came here looking for.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.167.21 (talk) 04:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: *Dubmood
*8bitpeoples
*beepdealers
*GOTO80
*Gijs Gieskes
*Aleksi Eeben (Heatbeat)
*firestARTer
*David Sugar (logicbomb)
*YM Rockerz
*She
*ZX Spectrum Orchestra
*Nullsleep
*Bit Shifter
*Lo-bat
*Covox
*Snoopdroop
*Neotericz
*Snowrobot
*Hey Kid Nice Robot
*xik
*Sidabitball
*Ogge
*Zabutom
*Jake Kaufman (Virt)
*Binärpilot
*Rugar
*Anamanaguchi
*RushJet1
*Crazy Q
*Psilodump
*Paza
*Karawapo
*Cerror
*M-.-n
*Hally
*Hein Holt
*Chibitech
*VideoHomeTraining
*Stage7
*Funky Fish
*nula
*4.19Mhz  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.94.41 (talk) 06:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yo, put it back. That's what I came here looking for.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.167.21 (talk) 04:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern chiptune artists and groups

message: *Chiptune forum - techniques, new releases, fs/wtb, Gameboy camera gallery, etc all discussed here
*The ARTS Radio (MP3) contains an interview with Nula, organizer of the annual Big Chip Compo.
*1up/ - Fresh chiptunes
*2A03.org - The NES Music Archive - portal and archive for non-commercial NES music
*8bitblog - blog with contributions from active chippers
*Chiptown/ChipYXA - russian .mod compo with archives
*Chiptune.de - another archive of downloadable chiptunes
*[http://www.crunchyco.com/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.44.120 (talk) 23:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: The link to Role Model goes to the article on what it means to be a role model, not the band.  Can anyone find out any info on the band, maybe make a new article so we can fix up the link?
It's not a band, it's a person. He made LSDJ. 80.127.64.214 14:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role model 

message: Soundwise a direct predecessor was the 1930th optical synthesizer Variophone by the Russian Evgeny Sholpo, which recorded mechanical projections of cardboard tonewheels on 35mm film sound tracks. The static geometric waveforms, distortions of their superposition and pre-planned stepped envelope transistions strongly resemble chiptunes.  - CYBERYOGI =CO=Windler 92.196.4.5 (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Technology: (Noone will really consider it a chiptune, just because it's made using a synthesizer that occasionally spits out a sawtooth here and there. The "old" (If there really is such a thing) would rather be the sample-based tracked music, rather than the psycle-sequenced sawtooth songs.) 
Style/basics: (This stopped being true 1987 or so. Everyone has their own opinion about this, but in my own, chiptunes as they are today, where formed during the late 80s, and 90s, chipmusic, by European demo scene wackos, using the Commodore 64, Amiga and Mid-90s and later on; the PC. Chiptunes today are, as I see it, 99% of the time composed in trackers, using samples, either to emulate the sound of some oldschool hardware, or just to sound poppy in the Loonie/Radix way, and never, ever,
except in some rare cases of retardedness, do we use white noise for drums. Who's using a ADSR envelope controlled synthesizer by the way?)''
Style/oldsk00l: (This is also, in my opinion, very wrong, and probably written by some American professor on the subject "wacked eurotrash chip-kids". There is no such thing as "oldsk00l", and no-one has been using MOD seriously without also using their Amiga. PC users had the luxury of eight or more channels, almost since forever! (Atleast since the introduction of usable Trackers on the platform. Today everyone uses Fasttracker 2 or Impulsetracker clones, unless they cheat and use the real deal. This "oldsk00l" music we hear of isn't really that recent, not all the time atleast. People have been doing this for like 15 years, it's not that they managed to come up with the awesome idea to create chipmusic with samples yesterday). I would also like to recommend .) (Good luck in rewriting, Mr Author) -- 81.224.97.188 11:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it's not appropriate to have in an encyclopedia entry the comments largely appear to be correct. It was probably written by someone who is connected to the demoscene, if only loosely, in frustration. While I don't want to keep his comments on the page I feel some of the points he made are valid. More specifically, I'd like for the article to reflect that chiptunes have evolved a lot and aren't as attached to old technology as they are to a style kept alive during crossovers to newer and better hardware.
Also, not that this was pointed out in the "bizarre commentary", I'd like for the article to not generalize the chiptune style as much, as it is both confusing and quite frankly saddening to see artists such as Psilodump, who take so little from the chiptune style as they do, included as icons of this genre.
SkogsRickard 01:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre Commentary by 81.224.97.188 

message: From what perspective is this article written?  I'm asking because I never before heard the word "chiptune" being used to describe this kind of music; instead "chiptune" has in my experience only ever been used to mean "MODs with short waveforms" (that resemble oldskool music chips' sounds).  I think I can back this particular usage up with plenty of examples; it's very common on Aminet, in its module collection, for example. (and on the Amiga scene in general too); but I really can't think of many instances of the term meaning what the article states, other than from "kids today" who seem to think that "it sounds the same to me". (no offense intended)
The term "chip music", which is the entry I originally jumped to (and got directed to "chiptune" from) is another one I've never heard, but it does seem more appropriate to me.
("Of course, back in the day, we never called it that..." - just "music for the C64", "music for the speccy" or something, or plain "computer music".)
magetoo 14:29, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Audio co-processor" is also terribly wrong when referring to the sound chip. The SEGA Megadrive (Genesis) had a Z80 audio co-processor that controlled the DAC and FM synth. They are two different things!
And I zapped the second paragraph under "Technology" and moved parts of it out:
"In those days, memory and storage space were limited and valuable, driving some composers to create very small modules. As little data as possible was used to create a sound; for example, repeatedly looping 64 bytes of data to produce a constant tone. These were mostly used in crack intros, which had to be squeezed into any spare space on the disk of the cracked software."
.. "repeatedly looping 64 bytes of data" is completely irrelevant with the POKEY/SID/YM chips since they had internal oscillators and never depended on sample data in any form, which obviously is what the sentence refers to.  I reused it in the next paragraph instead.  The part about crack intros seems to me to fit perfectly in the Amiga era (limited disk space, bootblock "intros") rather in the C64/Speccy era (one-file tape rip games), so I moved that down too.
So there is not much text left to describe the music of the old sound chips, but what is there is more correct, IMHO.
I realize that what I have done is mostly from a "chip tunes are small MODs" perspective, and I believe I could write a much more logically consistent article if I pulled all references to 8-bit era sound chips, but someone must have put it there for a reason (right?) so I won't.  Maybe the article could be split, or divided into parts..
magetoo 15:55, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Discussion

message: Should Bitpop, Gamewave, or Picopop be merged/redirected into this article?--Geedubber 23:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bitpop, Gamewave, Picopop 

message: The page was starting to look like a link farm. I've cleaned it up and am moving all redlinks to the talk page. If you really think the person is representive of the genre then add them back and leave a comment on the talk page. Maybe a List of Chiptune Bands and Artists is required instead of keeping huge list in main entry. Geedubber 07:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work Geedubber! There's a few artist here that I might add back, but I don't want to put a bunch of redlinks on the page...  I would be in favour of including some artists from 8bitpeoples.com (nullsleep, bit shifter, mesu kasumai) as they are quite noteable for this genre. I am also in favour of getting rid of a bunch of links under Chiptune#External_links, some are blatant advertising, others are nn. Ryanfantastic 02:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist cleanup 

message: Has anyone at all listened to Psilodump?
If so, how can you call that chip? It's about as chip as the average synth-pop. Mentioning this guy in the same context as great artists/groups such as Chris Hülsbeck, Yuukichan's Papa and Rob Hubbard feels awkward and wrong. If you take the time to listen to Psilodump you'll find there's not much chip about it. I'm not even sure he makes all his music with trackers of any kind.
Sure, he is/was(?) chairman of "Chipmusikfrämjandet" in Sweden, but that's all the chip there is to him.
When Slagsmålsklubben is more "chip" than you, you don't belong in an entry for chiptunes. When dubmood isn't in the list, Psilodump definitely shouldn't be there, even though he's got an entry on the Wiki... We should clean this up a bit.
PS. I find myself wondering, since Psilodump is in that list, how many other non-chippers are in that list?
SkogsRickard 01:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming down the list of artists and staying true to "real chip"... 

message: Im very dissapointed at all the usefull information cut from this article. So why was all of this erased?
Perhaps you should be more clear about what you are talking about. 64.230.4.4 22:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why exactly did this happen?

message: This Page Has Been Vandaled 2 Times. Locked. Offensiveandconfusing 14:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely this is over the top? The Avenged Sevenfold page was vandalised constantly for months before it was protected. XdiabolicalX 17:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked 

message: In the TECHNOLOGY section, chiptunes are compared and contrasted to MODs, but at the end, under filetypes, MOD and XM is listed as a possible chiptune extension.  Do we want to include those as chiptunes?  I doubt it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenimaj (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
:It is debatable. The later MOD formats had chiptune "modes" where synthesised instruments could be used. Many of the 40Kb intros used these formats of MODs to save space. The inclusion depends on how strictly we wish to define "chiptune". Are they specifically tunes performed on custom synth chips or does processor-based synthesis also count? --Monotonehell 07:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MODs 

message: Why is it that there is no reference to Ethan Kath of Crystal Castles.  They are no doubt the most mainstream chiptune artist and perhaps deserve a mention.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.150.250.188 (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Crystal Castles? 

message: An article about Random (musician) exists, but I don't think he's the same dude. The article mentions he has been pursuing "video game music placements", but I think that means conventional songs taken into use in video games, not actually making music directly on computer/console hardware, what is done in chiptunes. JIP | Talk 17:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random 

message: This is not in the spirit of Wikipedia (re: Wikipedia is not a directory). It should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.238.77.139 (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Chiptunes Artists and Groups

message: "Most of (but not all) chip sounds are synthesised by simply dividing a clock square wave to get a square wave of desired frequency, and sometimes using a sawtooth/triangle wave from volume LFO or an (ADSR) envelope to get some kind of ring modulation."
On the AY / YM chips of the ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, Atari ST, yes. On other chip platforms, other things happen. I'm going to change this. AY/YM is hardly "most of".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.196.91 (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: misleading things

message: I added a few "dubious" tags:
1. 'Emulation of the original sound chips has become more prevalent and accepted because of the increasing rarity and fragile nature of the original "IC chips."'
This is not the reason at all, as far as I know, and unless someone can find a reliable source to cite on this I think that it should be removed.
2. "In their desire to create a more complex arrangement than what the medium apparently allowed, composers developed creative approaches when developing their own electronic sounds and scores, employing a diversity of both methods of sound synthesis, such as pulse-width modulation and wavetable synthesis, and compositional techniques, such as a liberal use of arpeggiation."
Besides the POV language ("liberal" use, heh?) and the sourceless reasoning behind the techniques, the author seems to have misunderstood wavetable synthesis altogether, confusing it with wave/parameter tables on the C64 and similar computers. The rest of the sentence seems informative so I won't remove it, but it has to be reworked to cite some sources and rid of POV.
3. "Arguably the most influential piece of hardware in the development of chip music has been the MOS Technology SID, the sound chip of the Commodore 64 (1982)."
If it's "arguable" it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. And yeah, it definitely is arguable to the point that the sentence should be removed altogether.
4. "It is only responsible for DMAing samples from RAM to the audio output, similar to the function of modern day sound cards."
This comparison (to the Amiga Paula chip) is obviously based on a misunderstanding of how the Paula functions. The most "modern" sound card that I can think of that is similar to the Paula by any stretch is the Gravis Ultrasound. A quick glance in "Mapping the Amiga" reveals that the Amiga sports four channels with independently controlled sample rates. Waveform pointers and waveform lengths are set up by the programmer, and after that the chip is controlled much like a PSG chip by changing volume and pitch, leaving the processor a lot of free time. The book also reveals some other features that you'll have to look hard for in modern soundcards, like channel-to-channel AM and FM
5. "The standard MIDI file format, together with the General MIDI instrument set, describes only what notes are played on what instruments."
Not true by any means.  90.231.50.222 (talk) 11:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I added one citation and will look for more as time permits.  I understand your skepticism, but a lot of us actually LIVED the history presented in this article.  For example I remember when there was no computer music or demoscene, and then suddenly along came Atari and Commodore computers with their advanced Jay Miner-designed sound/video, and it virtually exploded overnight.  Finding citations is difficult, because that era has been poorly documented, but I and other editors will do the best we can Mr. Anonymous.  ----  Theaveng (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As made obvious by the amount of non-facts that slipped through because of the lack of proper sources and citations of them, having "lived the history" is definitely no excuse for adding things without citations. It's better to build from a dead-on accurate but small article than bunching up a lot of dubious half-facts. The authors of some of these statements had no idea of what they were talking about. 90.231.50.222 (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: (Refers to anon.50.222's first point above) Note:  The real reason is that it is easier to control and integrate the soundchip into a modern studio via emulation. 99.245.36.213 (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: There is no way 8bitweapon was the first live performance of chipmusic on television. There is footage of goto80 playing on TV in the late 80s I'm pretty sure... Moreover, how is it relevant to the explanation of chiptune? 124.168.185.24 (talk) 04:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: TV Section?

message: shouldn't this just be merged with Bitpop?--24.19.26.35 (talk) 03:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Rather than a separate article, wouldn't this article be improved by incorporating Drum&Chip here? --Deadly∀ssassin 13:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorporate Drum&Chip content here 

message: The AY-3-8910 used on Gyruss never produced sound by FM synthesis. This soundchip uses simple AM modulation to produce a square wave timbre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.85.68.12 (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not even that. The AYs are basically 3-voice square wave chips with noise and a single envelope. With a trick you can do  simple AM by abusing the envelope. The other konami games mentioned there are also dubious. The scc chip  was not capable of proper FM afaik. I think ima gonna delete that section. See if anyone notices :) 83.87.238.229 (talk) 12:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The AY-3-8910 isn't an FM synthesis chip 

message: I mean, sure, the Kosmic Free Music_Foundation was heavily tracker/.MOD(etc.) based, but to have this article without mentioning what was possibly the first Internet music label, one which counted chiptunes amongst its releases, seems a little strange. 63.226.214.247 (talk) 23:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning chiptune releases in 1990s without mentioning the KFMF? 

message: Amiga chiptunes are entirely relevant to the history of chiptune. They pioneered a different way to reproduce the sound for sure, using small 1 cycle sample waveforms, but the limitations remained the same. Small amounts of memory, limited channels. Ask anyone from that era what music played in a cracktro (keygens of that time) and the answer will always be 'a chiptune' (Madfiddler) 17:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the 'Tracker chiptune' section removed

message: I'm adding the documentary "Europe in 8 Bits" in Film section. I just happened to see it on the Fusion network this morning. I only caught the last I think 50 mins of it.  It's really funny that no one has added it to the film section yet, as some of the same persons referenced in Chiptune are also in the documentary.
Rayghost 16:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding documentary "Europe in 8 Bits" to Film section 

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message: Chipmusicians generally are not known for getting dates.http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/new-diy-game-boy-synth-will-bring-8-bit-to-the-masses 
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replies: text: I didn't revert the edit, but I agree with it. It's not relevant. This is an article about the Chiptune music genre, not about Chipmusicians' social lives. It's also an anecdotal observation by a blogger, not a proper primary reliable source. Also the URL resolves in a 404 error so it doesn't quite meet WP:V. -Thibbs (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hi all! For one of my classes for school, I was tasked with adding onto a Wikipedia page, and I chose Chiptune! I simply love the genre of music and the community surrounding it! I decided to add an "Events" section because I felt as though chiptune events never get talked about as far as it being played live. As someone who has been to MAGFest and has worked at Chipspace Staff, it would be imperative to include this section to demonstrate that chiptune is still current, modern, and all-inclusive to all. 
Anyway, feel free to disagree and delete it, although I don't see the need to. I just thought it was insightful!
DevonneTourre (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added "Events" section 

message: I have significantly changed the layout of this page, in response to the template placed at its beginning (on December 2020). I have added a new section, and moved much of the exiting content in the lead section to this new section and the "History" section. If people have any objections, feel free to revert these changes. If I have no objections within a couple of weeks, I will consider the lead section suitably shortened and remove the template at the beginning of the page.
Ignatius54 (talk) 08:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout Changes including new section 

message: I decided to move some stuff from the History section so that it was less cluttered and lengthy. Feel free to revert these changes.
Jess Coppola (talk) 17:04, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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