Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive 5

message: In her book, Elvis and me, Priscilla Presley relates that Elvis was not overtly sexual towards her:
*She says that he gently and tenderly began to touch her and that she was drunk with ecstasy. Then, as on several occasions before when they had reached this point, he stopped and said, "Let me decide when it should happen. It's a very sacred thing to me. It always has been. You know that I want it to be something to look forward to. It keeps the desire there." After this Priscilla sat up in anger and Elvis told her that he didn't make love to his girlfriend Anita the whole four years he went with her. "What about me?" Priscilla lamented. "How long do you think this can go on? God, Elvis, that takes a lot of willpower. That's asking a lot of another person, one who's in love and has strong, healthy desires." Elvis says, "I'm not saying we can't do other things. It's just the actual encounter. I want to save it." Finally, Priscilla resigned herself to the long wait. "Instead of consummating our love in the usual way, he began teaching me other means of pleasing him. We had a strong connection, much of it sexual. The two of us created some exciting and wild times."
*Priscilla also says that sexual temptations were against everything Elvis was striving for. She emphasizes that "he did not wish to betray me, the girl waiting for him at home who was preparing to be his wife. He felt guilty and confused about his natural reaction to female advances and I believe that this was his greatest fear when it came to marriage." He even said one night before they went to bed, "you're going to have to be pretty understanding these next few weeks, or however long it takes. I feel that I have to withdraw myself from the temptations of sex." This Priscilla could not understand. Elvis said, "We have to control our desires so they don't control us. If we can control sex, then we can master all other desires." When they were in bed, Elvis took the usual dose of sleeping pills, and then he pored over his metaphysical books. Onefortyone 13:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know whether there may have been a copyright violation, as I have only cited short passages from two different chapters of the book (see ), and these passages were copied from an Internet version of the text. Be that as it may, I have now written a summary of the said passages. See above. Onefortyone 13:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from being two or three pages of copyright violation copy-pasted straight out of her book, Priscilla Presley does not say Elvis was not overtly sexual towards her. The passage could mean lots of things, some of which are already mentioned in the main article, but it contains zero mention of 141's assertion and since there are so many reasonable, alternate interpretations it in no way supports an assertion that is otherwise unsupported in the documented record. Wyss 04:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the passages certainly support the view that Elvis was not overtly sexual towards Priscilla. He seems to have had problems with his sex-life as far as women were concerned. Onefortyone 13:11, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously 141, is English your native language? Wyss 16:23, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: English is not my native language, but when I was younger I have travelled extensively, living in the USA for some years. Onefortyone 17:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What Priscilla Presley says about Elvis's sex-life

message: Here is basically what's going on: a user called Onefortyone tries to change Google results of "Elvis gay", so that those results lead to a book by David Bret. Bret is a sensationalist writer who is said to be "careless with facts". To support 141's point of view that Elvis was gay, he gives the following sources:
1) A book by David Bret
2) An unpublished manuscript by Elvis' stepmother
3) An article in the National Enquirer
4) A photograph of Elvis and some famous gay guy, which supposedly demonstrates Elvis' homosexuality.
::You should have added that there are many more sources I have provided:
:::5) An article of 1957 mentioned in The Guardian which claims that Elvis and gay entertainer Liberace were boyfriends.
:::6) A book on Elvis by the singer's second cousin, Earl Greenwood, published in 1990 and confirming that Elvis's had a sexual relationship with Nick Adams.
:::7) A play by Lee Hall alluding to Presley's homosexuality. 
:::8) An article in PROMETHEUS, the Internet Bulletin for Art, Politics and Science, No. 90 (Winter 2003), dealing with Elvis's homosexuality.
:::9) A report in The Guardian which states that director Bryan Forbes once asked Mick Jagger if he "could confirm whether Elvis was gay."
:::10) Several Elvis fan sites and discussion boards dealing with the claims that Elvis may have been gay or bisexual.
:::The more you research, the more sources you will find. Onefortyone 17:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Only a few users are constantly denigrating my sources. Onefortyone 17:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of the argument for newcomers