Talk:Outlaw Star

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:This anime may offend some viewers by presenting heroes who are meant to be sympathetic but who would be considered objectionable by both old-fashioned European chivalry and more recent American feminism.
really isn't true.  Outlaw Star is no different from Firefly, Cowboy Bebop or Han Solo in that regard.  I've never heard a word of objection to the show on that point.  It's called the anti-hero.  RADICALBENDER★ 15:54, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: What type of hero?

message: Would be ggod to have dates made and first aired in Japan and elsewhere.  Also dates of release of VHS/DVD. Rich Farmbrough 00:09, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: i'm a fan of this anime, but that quote section is crap.
The quotes section definitely has no purpose in this article.  The quotes don't make much sense taken out of context like they are.  Is there any explaination as to why those specific quotes belong in the article?  --TheKoG 01:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote 

message: At the beginning, "The main characters of the show mostly follow generic anime stereotypes, including the ice-cold swordswoman and the catgirl." This is quite biased, no? Consider it removed.--71.112.234.168 06:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Especially since I've actually yet to see an "ice-cold swordswoman" pop up as an actual stereotype in anime, and "catgirl" isn't a stereotype so much it's a common anthropomorphic theme in character designs - a cliche design, I suppose, but it's hardly a stereotype, I think. "Cat girls" have ranged from the innocent to the not-so-innocent, from the slightly chicken and very girlish (Tokyo Mew-Mew), to the robotic (Nuku-Nuku), to the violent (Aisha from this anime). It's a style of visual design, not character archetype, which the person who wrote that sentence seems to have confused with "stereotype", among other things. 4.235.69.102 05:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aisha is actually the unique "Ditzy Jock Cat-girl," never seen before nor since.  Whoever thought that was generic is obviously very shallow.  Nagakura shin8 09:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I changed OAV to OVA. OAV means Original Adult Video, which is not what the writer meant to say, obviously.
:To the vast majority of anime fans, OAV and OVA are interchangable, and both are used by distributors to mean the same. It's either Original Animated Video or Original Video Animation.
::Huh?  I've never once seen a Japanese company (or a US company for that matter) use the term OAV.  They all use OVA.
:::I've seen many an anime fan or anime magazine (including professional publications) use either. In English they really would be pretty much the same, believe it or not; I've never even heard of this "Original Adult Video" meaning, at least in terms of anime. However, since they're used interchangeably, I see no real problem with it being changed, so long as it's kept consistent within the article. Runa27 00:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OAV 

message: I changed Angel Links from an OVA series to a television series; it was broadcast. CFLeon 00:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angel Links 

message: I've tried to clean-up the character listing to be somewhat more pleasing with the breaks. I also edited Fred's entry; the entry included a fairly blaitant opinion which I felt was unwarrented. Even with CN's toning down the gay aspects of his character, I still got the implication when I saw it. CFLeon 21:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Clean-up 

message: Is Outlaw Star: Complete Collection the most complete and 'best' English collection currently available? I feel it would be very beneficial to give the title of the 'best' collection, just as ISBN numbers are often given for books. Many visitors interested in Outlaw Star would find this information very very helpful. 4.89.247.203 00:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not ask Amazon? --Zeno McDohl 14:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  best collection 

message: This user has accused me of gutting the article with my edits, by I ask the editors to consider what I did versus what this user did.
This user said I added duplicate information to the Characters section but, as I understand it, the Main template indicates the section is a summary of the Main article it links to. All I did was copy relevant information. This user duplicated information, too, and its doing was worse. As you can see, the plot section duplicates the lead section and there's a link to the episodes list when there's already one in the infobox. Hey, I copied from another article, 70.248.7.14 copied from this one.
If what I did was add info, where did the gutting happen, you ask? I cut the Trivia section, as there was nothing worth saving, and the list of ships, which was just plain silly to begin with. I also organized "Alien Races," "Planets" and the "Galactic Leyline" under a "Setting" section, which this user seems to have undone. 70.248.7.14 also uses an image of what characters look like for a few minutes in the last episode, now that's just wrong.
So, there you have it. I believe this version of the article is better than the one we now have. And, for all I know, this user might be an experienced wiki-editor who just forgot to log-in so I won't question what it did.--Nohansen 15:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read my edit summaries, you'd see I'm bringing the article up to "wiki-code".--Nohansen 01:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: *I added a spinoff section to the Infobox so that readers are more likely to notice that, well, there is a spinoff. The only other mention is in the Alien species section. 
* Speaking of that, this article feels more like a plot article. Where is info on VHS and DVD releases, etc? I hope some of you that really liked the series will put some more time into fleshing out this article a bit. Argel1200 04:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: for all you fans out there, any chance you could put together the list of caster shells based on their effects?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murakumo-Elite (talk • contribs) 17:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would imagine it would be difficult, as the effects were pretty generic, and even the last 4 shells (the super powerful ones) just shot a little black ball out. Vael Victus (talk) 05:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They never actually listed the effects of the shells. Apparently they do all have different effects but are equally powerful except for the three that Gene gets on Tenrei which are more powerful but drain the user's lifeforce. Lee M (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, from what I can call them based on how they work, #12 is the Electro-Shell, which can electricute the target, whether to death or not is uncertain as the only target seen taking the shell is Aisha, the Ctarl-Ctarl. #4 is the Black Hole Shell, as the user fires a black hole at the target as seen being used on Hamushi and Hazanko, with the side-effect of life drain. #9 is the Expel Shell, which expels the target by inducing a sudden pressure wave, as seen being used on Ron MacDougall, which also has the side effect of life drain. #13 is what I call the Light Shell, as the target is being attacked by a powerful white light, as seen being used on Hazanko, with the side effect of life drain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.70.245 (talk) 14:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caster shell data request 

message: Why is there no mention of it?  It's right on the logo; isn't it a prefixed subtitle?  --Geopgeop (T) 16:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Hero Next Generation 

message: Um no, from everything I've ever heard it's based off a manga, which was based off another manga by the same creator that was basically a parody of most scifi and action comics. I don't see why the line shouldn't be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.32.133 (talk) 03:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reimagining of Treasure Island? 

message: Outlaaw Star is my favorite anime and this article is in bad shape. Is there anybody who can help clean it up? Metalb (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Clean-Up or Overhaul 

message: What is the name of the unidentified cactus-like species in the thirteenth episode of Outlaw Star?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.16.53 (talk) 12:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of races, you forgot the Nayans. Admittedly absolutely nothing is known about them, but that didn't stop the person that wrote half the stuff in this article about the aliens.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Un-named cactus-like race name 

message: i was wondering if the article at the moment is good enough to be at featured or GA status?Bread Ninja (talk) 07:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article or gooda rticle? 

message: To clarify my revert:
*Changing "set in the fictional "Towards Stars Era" universe" to "set in the fictional universe called "Towards Stars Era"." makes a claim about the name of the universe that may not be substantiated in the sources.
*Changing "Episode 23, in which the Outlaw Star crew visits a hot spring planet, was skipped entirely because of nudity and suggestive themes." to "Due to nudity and suggestive themes, a scene in Episode 23, in which the Outlaw Star crew visits a hot spring planet was skipped entirely" implies that only one scene out of episode 23 was cut - whereas the first states that the entirety of episode 23 was cut.  
Thank you. :) --Malkinann (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: thats pretty subjective. for careless readers i coud see that happening, but the problem isn't within the context. it's just subjective confusion.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean? For episode 23, the source supporting the statement about the episode being skipped confirms that the entire episode was skipped, not just a scene.  --Malkinann (talk) 00:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: then it could've been clarified instead or reverted, because both suggest only a scene was skipped. As for the first one, I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In this instance, to revert was to clarify - in regards to episode 23, the first states clearly that the entire episode was skipped because of nudity and suggestive themes, whereas the second implies that only one scene out of episode 23 was skipped, perhaps shortening the episode, which was not the case.   Your rewording of the fictional universe adds redundancy, and explicitly claims that the fictional universe is called Towards Star Era, which may not be the case. --Malkinann (talk) 00:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that redundant, either way, the first revert can be more direct. the first one is too vague to even use.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that describing it as "set in the fictional "Towards Stars Era" universe" is clear - although perhaps this should be wikilinked to some kind of overview article which treats what the "Towards Stars Era" universe is.  Perhaps Hibana can clarify what the offline sources say about the fictional universe's name. As for "careless readers" misunderstanding, Articles in Wikipedia should be understandable to the widest possible audience. Being consise helps with this. --Malkinann (talk) 00:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: here's the thing, the second one can be edited even more clearer because if what you say is true. To me set in towards stars era universe gives to more status quo. I don't really see much connection. Plus i think the other was even more cosise. just not correct.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, I don't understand you again.  :( What do you mean by "the second one can be edited even more clearer because if what you say is true"?  What's the "status quo"?  What do you mean by "the other" - your wording of the information on episode 23, or the fictional universe stuff? --Malkinann (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

text: With the fictional universe, the first has less redundancy than your edit. I doubt the information on episode 23 could be made more concise without losing meaning.  I feel that perhaps seeking more clarification from WT:ANIME might be a good idea at this point, would you agree? --Malkinann (talk) 01:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: first clarify what "meaning" it will lose.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to say at this juncture, before any attempt at clarifying the original sentence - but with your edit, it implied that only a scene from episode 23 was cut for the US screening, whereas in fact the entire episode was cut.  --Malkinann (talk) 01:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware of it now. What I'm saying is they should still need to be reworded more directly. Just need to remove the part that makes it not true. For the universe edit? These are areas where editing needs to be done to be more clear and slightly less superfluous.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have asked for more opinions at WT:ANIME.  Could you please have a go at a draft reword on the talk page to clarify these passages, so I can see what you've got in mind? --Malkinann (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry you feel like that - I've been trying to understand where you're coming from with your wording.  By asking at the project, I'm taking things beyond just you and me - which should hopefully facilitate the discussion.  I am concerned that an edit war over copyediting could affect the GA review, which was why I explained my revert on the talk page.  With the hot spring episode, my understanding is that the entire episode takes place on a planet of hot springs - so it's not just a single scene where the characters visit a hot spring, it's the whole episode. I still can't think of a way that the sentence could be reworded as being more concise without losing meaning. --Malkinann (talk) 01:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: you understand how vague these areas are? Some form of editing to make them more clear and more direct. My edit might not have been great but SOME sort of editing has to be done. I think you can think up something. The fact that you're saying its your understanding shows the level of confusion it can bring. Same with the universe edit.Bread Ninja (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the original wording is sufficiently clear and direct. I am at a loss as to how "some sort of editing" to these phrases could be done, let alone if it "has" to be done.  The only other way I can think of dealing with the information about episode 23 is to introduce a quote from the source: "Episode 23, in which the Outlaw Star crew visits a hot spring planet, was skipped entirely.  Sean Akins of Cartoon Network stated that the episode "does nothing to further the story and is nothing more than an excuse to get the characters naked"."  --Malkinann (talk) 14:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that makes sense.  Done. :) --Malkinann (talk) 04:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  revert - these edits change the meaning of the sentences 

message: The article on Shōji Kawamori suggests that Masaharu Kawamori may be a nom de plume.  How would we go about finding this out? --Malkinann (talk) 04:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kawamori 

message: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/bandai_downsizing_ken_iyadomi_interview
Bandai Entertainment says the anime was one of their 5 top sellers ever (#1 being Cowboy Bebop). Quite a distinction. --Gwern  (contribs) 22:49 3 January 2012 (GMT)
:Good find! ~ Hibana (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  US anime sales 

message: I removed the text claiming the manga was "incomplete" as this isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article, and wasn't substantiated by the source. The section claims the two media differ in pacing, but only describes the pacing of the anime series, which is pointless as a "comparison". The plot section really needs a lot of work to better distinguish between the manga and anime. Some guy (talk) 10:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problems with plot section 

message: I recently learnt that various “Outlaw Star” audio dramas (presumably all of the “Outlaw Star” audio dramas that have ever been produced) were released on a CD called “Outlaw Star Sound & Scenario Tracks” in Japan way back in 1998. According to this page(http://outlawstar.wikia.com/wiki/Outlaw_Star_Sound_%26_Scenario_Tracks), these were the various audio dramas released on the CD:
(1.) Notification One
(2.) Lonely Gunman, Hacking Boy
(3.) Notification Two
(4.) Notification Three
(5.) Invasion of the Ctarl Twins
(6.) See You Again
I was wondering if there is anyone out there who would be interested in providing translations of these dramas? It would be fantastic if someone were able to do this, and either post the translations on Wikipedia or on a separate website. One drama in particular that would be worth translating is “Lonely Gunman, Hacking Boy,” as it is the story of how Gene and Jim first met.
On the subject of the audio dramas, there is a video on YouTube of a featurette from one of the Japanese “Outlaw Star” DVD’s entitled “Welcome to Heifon Network.” It includes what appears to be commentary by Gene, together with what may or not be an audio drama about Gene and Melfina. Would anyone be able to confirm if this was an audio drama or not? It would be quite interesting to find out.
zictor23 (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions regarding the OS audio dramas 

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