Talk:Kevin McCarthy

message: These comments, made by fellow Republican congressman Justin Amash, are relevant to the article as they convey McCarthy’s reputation within Congress. 
But I will post them here prior to editing the article in case someone is able to point out a credible reason to exclude this information.
"I met a lot of duplicitous people in Congress but none more conniving and fundamentally dishonest than Kevin McCarthy.  He will say or do whatever he thinks is necessary at a particular moment to obtain or maintain power."
https://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-kevin-mccarthy-conniving-and-fundamentally-dishonest-2022-4 Harmlesshumanist (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The comments of one former member, especially given his particular history with the Republican Party, is WP:UNDUE weight. We would need much more than one comment from one representative who switched to a third party to properly assess his "reputation". – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Muboshgu, this falls under WP:BLP protections specifically WP:REDFLAG.  Eruditess (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick update. It's not going so well for Mr. McCarthy. -- Sleyece (talk) 00:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reputation in Congress 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved to Kevin McCarthy.. There is a consensus that this subject is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Kevin McCarthy (California politician) →  – The House Minority Leader is the clear primary topic for the politician, even if it is not the primary topic for the person. Interstellarity (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

text: *If this page moves to primary then the actor should gain first spot in a hatnote, followed by the dab page. The classical and popular actor should also feature more prominently and higher on the dab page. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

text: *This page has averaged 3,414 views a day over the last 90 days (rising now per events) and the notable actor averaged 560 over the last 90 days. Primary for this page seems obvious, even though the actor has a deserved following long after his death. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *As we all know, pageviews are not the be all and end all of notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *They account for half (or maybe less, depending on how an editor weighs historical long-term significance. Pretty definitive page views though, no?). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's one of many markers though. The WP:GHITS are 1.1 million for "Kevin McCarthy actor" and 9.7 million for "Kevin McCarthy politician". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That is pure WP:RECENTISM. Someone currently active, especially in politics, entertainment or sport, is almost always going to beat someone who is not on ghits and pageviews. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe Recentism worked in the 2015 renaming attempt, and for a few years after that. Now, not so much. Speaker of the House in the U.S. (although that's WP:CRYSTAL for now, maybe this should wait to be moved after the January House leadership election and swearing in) ain't beanbag, as the politicans say. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither is Secretary of State for Defence in the UK, but Mr Wallace has to compete with a basketball player! Being a politician holding an important post doesn't necessarily mean you beat everyone else on notability. I must say that I have never heard of the House minority leader, but I have heard of the actor. And yes, I'm aware that personal experience is irrelevant, but it does show that notability is not universal in other countries just because someone is a well-known politician in one country. It usually is the case with heads of state and government of major countries, but not necessarily with those lower down the pecking order. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Move to Kevin McCarthy per above Jaystjohn (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 November 2022 

message: Mccarthy isn't speaker yet?? Why does it say he is 69.80.22.185 (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted User:Arclic1980 change with the speaker position as the 118th United States Congress is not yet seated and McCarthy's election to speaker is not certain. --Mvqr (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2022 

message: So there's no confusion. If McCarthy does get elected Speaker of the House, he'll be sworn in as the 55th Speaker. Remember that Pelosi was/is 52nd, Boehner was the 53rd & Ryan was the 54th. The speakers are counted only once, regardless of whether they serve consecutive terms or not. GoodDay (talk) 06:36, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to know, thank you for this info. Eruditess (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  55th Speaker of the US House  

message: Could you please revert this unexplained removal of source, especially since it didn't remove the material it was supporting. Since the page is locked, I cannot 2001:8003:34A3:800:3991:1F5E:E9FA:485F (talk) 06:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: good eye, returned the reference Keitsist (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please revert removal of source 

message: Why does this article not mention Mr. McCarthy's attendance at the World Economic Forum? Given the influence of this organization, it would make sense for it to at least be mentioned.
Sources:
https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2016/sessions/priorities-for-the-united-states-in-2016
https://www3.weforum.org/docs/Media/AM16/AM16_Programme.pdf
https://www.weforum.org/people/kevin-mccarthy
https://rollcall.com/2016/01/22/mccarthy-discusses-the-economy-in-davos/
https://www.crunchbase.com/person/kevin-mccarthy-6 2601:43:200:A8C0:46FC:2D0B:58AC:76AB (talk) 05:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of mention of attendance at the World Economic Forum? 

message: Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as  "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org. Remove the word "false" in paragraph 4, line 2. Wikipedia must not make judgements about issues like this. 2601:8C0:381:1410:C5DC:6FA0:B56F:856C (talk) 00:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Why exactly can Wikipedia not call something false "false"? Wikipedia has not "made judgments" on it, the lawyers, judges, and reliable sources have. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2023 

message: Given that McCarthy is currently in the process of becoming the Speaker of the House, would it be appropriate to add the  tag? GuardianH (talk) 04:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He hasn't been sworn in yet, but oh well. He will be within a half-hour, so no sense in getting into an edit-spat, which would become moot shortly. GoodDay (talk) 05:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag is for articles being rapidly updated, not "someone in the news". It's not necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:55, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current event tag 

message: Ok, I know I'm being too nit-picky. But shouldn't we wait until he's sworn in as the 55th Speaker? At the rate they're going in the House chamber, is seems like it's gonna take a half-hour or more. GoodDay (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe he is sworn in now. Eruditess (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we wait until he's 'sworn in'? 

message: * Specific text to be added or removed: Remove Republican Leader, Majority Leader
* Reason for the change: Steve Scalise is now Republican Leader, any social or web links to Republican Leader/Majority Leader are not accurate for Speaker McCarthy and ultimately lead to other members' pages. Only Speaker.gov, @SpeakerMcCarthy are correct across socials
* References supporting change: https://www.majorityleader.gov/ https://www.speaker.gov/
Goatcheeseisgoat (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  Link in external links section updated to the speaker one. Let us know if there are other holdovers. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks! Goatcheeseisgoat (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republican/Majority Leader links now lead to other members' pages 

message: I'm not sure why it was removed from the infobox but I added it back in, feel free to let me know if I made a mistake, but it seems appropriate to include it. Derpytoucan (talk) 05:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position as House Republican Chief Deputy Whip 

message: The line "After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, McCarthy supported Trump's false denial of Biden's victory" is not supported by the citation; in fact the cited article is to the contrary.  The citation is to a Business Insider piece that criticizes McCarthy for declaring Trump the winner at a time when no winner had yet been called (this was on Thursday of election week).  The text in this piece changes that to " *After Joe Biden won*".  Suggesting, as this sentence does, that McCarthy made the statement after Biden had been declared the winner is highly misleading at best, and flatly false at worst. Dougmock (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover, the phrasing makes it sound like the denial itself was false, even though the intent of the writing was to say that the claim that Biden lost the election was false. It should be sufficient to say "...Trump's denial of Biden's victory", as the veracity of Biden's victory is already well established. entropyandvodka | talk 02:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trump's false denial of Biden's victory" - McCarthy support 

message: Sentence ‘After the January 6 United States Capitol attack, McCarthy blamed Trump for the riot and reversed his previous comments on their being voter fraud in the election’.
Should be there not their, tried to correct but article is locked. 2A00:23C7:FA4:4701:2D26:1ED9:8960:2F96 (talk) 19:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for catching that. Station1 (talk) 00:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong ‘there’ in article 

message: Sentence 'In February 2023, McCarthy leaked thousands of hours of CCTV footage of the January 6 Capitol attack to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson.'
The word 'leaked' incorrectly implies that the release of the footage was illicit or surreptitious. It should be replaced with 'released.' YeshayaRoth (talk) 07:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: soibangla (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release of January 6 footage to Tucker Carlson  

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: "As speaker, he worked with the Biden administration to resolve the 2023 debt-ceiling crisis and prevent what would have been a first-ever national default."
This seems like  fluff/highly imprecise wording. It leads to the impression that McCarthy played no-role in establishing the crisis to begin with. It makes it sound like that crisis is something that just happened that McCarthy resolved, rather than a stand-off between McCarthy and Biden which was negotiated to an end. SecretName101 (talk) 22:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just made an attempt to make it more precise, but still feel it isn't great. SecretName101 (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede wording on the debt default crisis 

message: Under House Minority Leader make Nancy Pelosi's name a link. Basically, adding Nancy Pelosi Jvrucker (talk) 13:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Per WP:LINKONCE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2023 

message: It struck me reading the article, particularly today, that it omits an important fact about McCarthy: He is surely the most effective House Speaker in American history, and indeed many observers consider him to be so.2601:285:200:CD60:9D81:87AE:5351:1527 (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a forum. If you have ideas for an edit, please suggest them and provide reliable sources. The claim McCarthy is the most effective House Speaker in American history is a subjective one, and not in step with encyclopedic tone. entropyandvodka | talk 03:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical significance 

message: Kevin McCarthy is a current Congressman. He is not Speaker of the House of Representatives. KentStraith (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Additionally, this article already reflects the recent change. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 

message: Kevin Owen McCarthy is no longer the Speaker of the House since today, as it happened live on television. SkylarArte (talk) 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article reflects this LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Closing given response by LegalSmeagolian and that the article already reflects this. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 

message: He is no longer speaker of the house 2603:6010:4BF0:270:93DB:7CEE:40FC:2A46 (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 21:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 (2) 

message: "No House speaker has ever before been ousted through the passage of a resolution to remove them." - . This is a historical remove. As we can see, the source is CNN. 2620:10D:C090:500:0:0:5:6F39 (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In the last paragraph of lead, it is stated that it the first time in history thst this occurs. Cwater1 (talk) 14:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First time in History 

message: I feel McCarthy being ousted is worthy enough for its own article. TheCorrectPanda (talk) 21:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It does: Removal of Kevin McCarthy Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article? 

message: he said on cnn he is now a democrat 24.205.76.134 (talk) 24.205.76.134 (talk) 10:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Therequiembellishere (talk) 12:22, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Strong Oppose -- Sleyece (talk) 14:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

text: @24.205.76.134 Can you provide a source for this? Ca talk to me! 22:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Source: IP User made it up. -- Sleyece (talk) 23:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

text: The source in question Owellorthanothy (talk) 23:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I died laughing. That link shook me. -- Sleyece (talk) 00:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

text: While it would be entertaining to see this, I don't think there is any reliable source to support your suggested change as such news would be widely reported across several reliable news sources. Jurisdicta (talk) 03:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  change his party to democrat 

message: The presence of this new banner format is meant to convey the historical significance of the article being read. It was met with positive reception by numerous users on X, the social media website formerly known as Twitter, and helps set the tone of the Wikipedia reading experience. The banner is entirely separate from the “current event” banner, and should be treated as such. Please do not remove this without consulting me on my account talk page. Thank you KillaTrav87 (talk) 18:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You should not have added it and it was correctly taken down. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

text: I have reverted it per WP:NOTNEWS. The way it works is not that I need to consult you on your talk page before removing it, but rather that after your WP:BOLD edit, I challenge it by reverting it and now you need to discuss it. This is the bold-revert-discuss cycle. Wikipedia isn't a news source and we are not in charge of designating what is historical or not. We also avoid WP:SENSATIONAL.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:35, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen from going to KillaTrav's talk page that they were blocked briefly for edit warring by inserting this "announcement", an admin unblocked them, and they just did it again. Continuing this behavior will surely lead to a longer block. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I do believe KillaTrav is simply doing exactly what they were doing the first time Admins blocked them. There has been no change in the user's behavior except for the fun addition that you "need" to go on KillaTrav's talk page and request permission to revert edits. -- Sleyece (talk) 19:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New tag added 

message: Some facts that illustrate the unique brevity of McCarthy’s tenure as speaker. One or more of these might be worth adding, if property sourced.
If my research is correct:
*He is the first single-term speaker to leave office mid-term for reasons other than death in office or resigning in order to take office as vice president.
*He is the first speaker since Joseph W. Byrnes Sr. in the 1930s to serve less than a full term, and the first since Byrnes not to be elected to more than one term as speaker. 
*He is the first speaker since Joseph W. Martin Sr. in the 1950s not to be elected consecutively to more than one term. 
*He is the first  speaker since John Boehner in 2015 to leave office mid-term. SecretName101 (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, I think these are kind of factoid-y, but AEI had a webinar where someone (I think Wallach) details the first bullet earlyish in the video. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably better to stick to the less trivia-ish fact that he is the only speaker to lose the position via a motion to vacate. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Strong Agree -- Sleyece (talk) 10:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brevity of speakership 

message: (current)
Even though McCarthy had been removed as speaker, as of more than two weeks after his ouster, he refused to leave the physical premises of the office he had occupied in that role.'Force me out': McCarthy won't leave speaker's office despite being ousted over 2 weeks ago, Alternet,  Carl Gibson, October 20, 2023. Retrieved October 21, 2023.
(change to)
McCarthy has remained in use of the speaker's office during the vacancy of the speakership position.
Reason: It may be a good idea to write the statement in a more neutral, less charged way with additional sources (and fixed formatting for current source). Worth noting that there are other articles that mention this fact in peripheral, to note how people have been meeting in his speaker's office to strategize during the ongoing speaker election process. 104.175.78.152 (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Your proposed text is definitely neutral while the text in the article was not. But, I took it out as it seems trivial to this whole situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2023 

message: After winning the speakership in his acceptance speach Mike Johnson refered to Kevin McCarthy as "Our Speaker Emeritus" granting him the honorable title Jhartman087 (talk) 03:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WanderingMorpheme 13:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2023 

message: His resignation from the House should be in the lead once, summarizing a longer entry somewhere in the body. It shouldn't be in the lead twice and nowhere in the body. -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation in the lead twice 

message: Am I missing something here? It appears that the "Post-speakership" section is horribly out of place, and should also be subtitled to show his perfunctory resignation from Congress(!) I'm going to move it to where I think it should go; if I'm not taking something into account, here, somebody with a better understanding of the situation can revert the edit. Chachap (talk) 01:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-speakership (& Resignation!) section is mis-placed 

message: I think the issues that Republicans are having with governing in the House and their reliance on Democrats to pass key legislation may warrant its own article. I have created a draft, Draft:2023–24 House of Representatives legislative coalition, which I think talk page watchers of this page may be interested in. I would love help and suggestions, including those from people who don't believe this warrants an article at all. Thanks! Esolo5002 (talk) 19:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Article focused on Republican legislative problems/Republican-Democrat informal coalition