Talk:Bob Baffert

message: Some sources for footnoting and expanding the article:
*http://time.com/3912017/triple-crown-bob-baffert-trainer-american-pharoah/
*http://www.si.com/horse-racing/2015/06/06/american-pharoah-belmont-stakes-triple-crown-bob-baffert
*http://www.latimes.com/sports/great-reads/la-sp-c1-baffert-triple-crown-20150605-story.html#page=1  Good background on early years
Another good one from the NYTimes
* https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/sports/bob-baffert-horse-trainer-career.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur&_r=0  
And don't forget the Equibase profile for sourcing stats. http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=People&searchType=T&eID=83  
Jlvsclrk (talk) 05:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: One of these days/weeks/months/years, we really do have to get this article to GA status, if for no other reason than to dissuade the vandals… ;-)  Montanabw(talk) 03:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Add to ==Accomplishments== section
In 2017, Baffert won the Pegasus World Cup with one of his trained horses, Arrogate. https://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/horse-racing/honour-and-privilege-to-race-at-dubai-world-cup-baffert Thecreativejanet (talk) 06:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done: Claim is correct per this better source but does not require full sentence - added to lead sentence of paragraph. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2018 

message: I am attempting to made edits and corrections to my article, but it keeps reverting back to the original text.  I would like this to be rectified and the innacuracies corrected.  I am not sure how this works, but I would prefer having control over my own article/page.  Thank you, Bob BaffertDubaibob (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  request edit 

message: I have not yet, but a section titled "Controversies" should be considered as he has now had numerous horses test postive and subsequently disqualified from races for drug violations, including Grade One races as one of which famously is the recently crowned champion sprinter, Gamine. It is prudent on us as editors of Wikipedia to have all the information out there. It is not libelous or a mischaracterization, at this point it is simply facts. 
AfleetAlexsBalance (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update with Doping Allegations 

message: Hi all, I mentioned it a long time ago looks like but I added a controversies section. There's been enough lately that it seems valid. I have a whole list of stuff so added it all in there, and it I felt it was necessary to add since stuff is piling on especially with the NYRA lawsuit coming up later this month.
I also formatted the "Triple Crown In-The-Money Finishes" section to a table and added all Triple Crown finishes. Felt a table was easier to read than the three columns before, and all time finish is handy to have there. It might be too much, I am happy to edit it down to just in the money.
Cheers all! AfleetAlexsBalance (talk) 18:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The table was nicely done, and a controversy section is appropriate, but the huge laundry list of all Baffert’s past sanctions had undue weight (wasn’t WP:NPOV and so I had to chop it down and summarize. (Just like a few years ago I took a hatchet to someone else who added an endless string of all his victories. I kind of wonder if he’s got a reputation management firm patrolling this page,  there’s been some odd edits from time to time…) We have to wait for actual rulings on the pending cases. Montanabw(talk) 04:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, looks way better! Though, I do feel the Gamine double positives and Charlatan positive in 2020 should be added to the list, as well since that is a huge aspect of Medina Spirit's situation, especially since Gamine was DQ'd for the same drug and was her second time failing. And, Charaltan's was in a G1 event. I see you mentioned it a bit but didn't include Charaltan's name. He has received heat for blaming his failed tests on his staff, so I think the morphine case (where he blamed poppy seed bagels) and the Lidocaine he blamed on Mr. Jimmy Barnes is worth including. But I thoroughly  digress to your judgement, you're much more seasoned at this than me. AfleetAlexsBalance (talk) 05:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Gamine’s Oaks DQ, as that was a major race and the same drug, and I found a LA Times article that had useful info, but we really do have to not get into the weeds.  Wikipedia has to be NPOV and while I don’t believe in the false equivalence thing like saying “both good and bad have to be equal”, we do have to balance that he’s in the Hall of Fame and one of the most successful Thoroughbred trainers in history. This could all blow over like Steve Asmussen’s PETA bust and Doug O'Neill’s medication troubles from a few years back, or it could go like Lance Armstrong and he goes down for good.  Or something in between. We just don’t know.  So, balance.  Montanabw(talk) 06:26, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a few things