Talk:History of the London Underground

message: Reading the beginning of this article, I am struck by the difference of emphasis between it and an article I have in the January 1963 edition of the Railway Magazine. There it clearly states that the original scheme for the MetR came about gradually, beginning with the building of Farringdon Street between 1830-1838, which is in the River Fleet valley, a most squalid area at the time. With it came proposals to put in a covered railway to function as means of getting railways from the north into close contact with the City of London. After the Great Exhibition 1851 a revised scheme was put forward, as I show in my rewrite of the start of the article. The GWR got interested - so the extension to Paddington came about. Nothing about other termini or buses though... I shall hope to complete a rewrite over the next few days Peter Shearan 18:48, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now completed the rewrite, incorporating new and revised info. Much of the information I have gleaned from two articles in the Jan/Feb 1963 Railway Magazine and from the 1912 Railway Year Book. Not all of the articles on individual railways - and I think it is a mistake to call them Piccadilly Line etc when discussing them in a historical sense! - contain full historical details as yet, I notice. My own article on the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways is fairly comprehensive, so I didn't see any necessity in trying to copy it here Peter Shearan 16:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

message: The Public-Private Partnership section needs updating, for example it contains nothing about TfL buying Tubelines. Thryduulf (talk) 19:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPP section out of date 

message: in the first paragraph we have bizzare USAmerican pseudo history the Atlantic Avenue Tunnel in New York City is in no way relevant to underground rail transport, it is in no way a world first and claims it is such are just fake history made up by USAmericans, these people do need to be corrected and wikipedia needs to be about relevant facts not USA bias  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.163.45 (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please calm down and refrain from making spurious allegations about the behaviour of editors. That being said, it does indeed seem undue to mention that tunnel in the lead, at the very least it belongs in a "Origins" (or something similar) section in the article itself. But since it is also completely unsourced, and it is making some very strong claims about the definitions of underground railways, I would be inclined to remove it altogether as WP:OR. At least we need some secondary reliable sources that contains all of the following information 1) the claim of  Atlantic Avenue Tunnel being "the oldest subway tunnel in the world" 2) that it doesn't meet the criteria for being an "urban underground passenger-carrying railway" 3) that the London Underground does. If such a source is not found, then it qualifies as WP:SYNTHESIS and should not be included in the article. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I can not see how any "spurious allegations about the behaviour of editors" has been made, infact what other credible reasons are there to explain the behavior of the editor that added that irrelevant information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.163.45 (talk) 11:23, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I went through the history and figured out that the information was originally added .  It was added by Peter Shearan who says he is from Kent.  This looks like it is not a US biased act at all.  GB fan 13:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Making claims about percieved intentions of other editors is highly discouraged. Judge edits, not editors. If the edit doesn't live up to Wikipedia policies it can be removed or changed. There simply isn't any need for drama, especially not over this kind of stuff. --Saddhiyama (talk) 17:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  bizarre USAmerican bias 

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message: We seem to be completely missing a small section about smoking.   Something like this:
The world's first underground railway, the Metropolitan Railway, opened in London in 1863, and is where the term ‘Metro’ for a metropolitan transport system originates.   It is known at the Metropolitan line today.   The District Railway, now the District Line, opened in 1868.   These are ‘sub-surface’ lines (rather than tube lines), and built using the ‘cut and cover’ method (huge trenches were dug, the tunnels built in brick, and then covered over again to allow roads to be reinstated).   
Because the early trains were coal-burning steam trains, where possible, and particularly at stations, these ‘cuts’ were left open to allow steam and smoke to vent to the sky.   The trains were carefully designed to maximize their smoke emissions in stations and minimize them in the covered tunnels.   Even so, they were inevitably smoky places.   To avoid additional smoke, and to avoid the risk of fires, these private companies banned smoking on their railways.   
However, with the intention of not restricting people’s freedoms, the government legalized smoking on the underground.   And that’s now it rested until smoking on Underground trains was banned in July 1984, and following the Oxford Circus station fire on Friday 23 November 1984, a complete ban on smoking in all underground stations was introduced in February 1985.   Habits die hard, and some were still inclined to ‘light up’ on the escalators on their way out of the stations, which gave rise to the King’s Cross fire on 18 November 1987 which killed 31 people.   After that the ban was more rigorously enforced and fines were introduced for offenders.   Perhaps, if the government had not legalized smoking in … the King’s Cross fire might have been avoided. 
I would have added this myself but, I haven't yet managed to find a reference or date for the legalisation of smoking in the 1800s or early 1900s.  I may have read it in a book, but don't recollect which one.   Anyone know?   Thanks.   FreeFlow99 (talk) 16:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking on the London Underground.