Template talk:Hawaiian sovereignty movement

message: Yosemite, please explain why you removed the Flag of Hawaii in a template appropriate to its usage? —Viriditas | Talk 06:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Second request:  Yosemitesam25, please stop removing the Flag of Hawaii and explain why you are replacing it with the U.S. flag. —Viriditas | Talk 23:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Yosemitesam25 has recently explained his objections to the current template, which I now understand.  He seems to think that the navigational template appearing at the top right-hand corner makes it look like the sovereignty movement is in control of the article.  As a compromise, I suggest we convert this template to an alternative nav footer for now, but focus on developing the main navigational bar in the future. —Viriditas | Talk 22:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A footer would look something like  and it would appear at the bottom of the page, like this:
—Viriditas | Talk 22:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: This template might be suitable if it were used only on the Sovereignty page but it has been "transcluded" (not sure if that's the right term) to link across multiple articles[][][][][][][][][][]. If "U.S Sovereignty in Hawai'i" would be POV, then "Hawaiian Sovereignty" is aslo POV. I didn't propose that we change the title, I was merely pointing out that either would violate NPOV. Note that I said, "it would probably be unfair if, instead of Hawaiian sovereignty, we titled it "U.S sovereignty in Hawai'i". Hawaiian Sovereignty is a political goal and the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is a political movement; no one disputes that. Endorsement doesn't require polemics. The mere mention of the movement is advocacy. A bumper sticker reading "Bush/Cheney" is advocating and an endorsement. A sign reading "Macdonalds" is advocating and an endorsement. A person standing on a street corner holding up and waving a banner that says "Al Gore" is advocating and endorsing. "Getting the name out" is part and parcel of advocating, endorsing, and advertising. See WP:NOT#ADVOCACY. We ought to dispense with the "Sovereignty" template, figure out a way to make it work, or replace it altogether with [this].--Yosemitesam25 (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part, top, right-aligned series navigational templates are used to link to related articles split off from the main article.  Since we are not yet at that point just yet and this template is not used in that way, I recommend converting the current template to a footer that meets the standards for political series and navigational templates, such as .  We also need a , of which this template would eventually become a descendent, and could be used as a top-aligned template.  Right now, this template should only exist as a footer.  Yosemitesam25, this has nothing to do with advocacy or endorsement, but everything to do with article navigation. —Viriditas | Talk 01:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, thanks for the PRInde examples, I see what you mean. I agree on converting this template to a footer and working up a "politics" template, or some other similarly titled template, which will serve as a main navigational tool.--Yosemitesam25 (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Looks good; just need the collapsible feature and activist cat, among others.  I haven't looked into changing the name, but most of the sources I've used refer to it as a sovereignty movement; I'm not entirely sure there is any real difference.  Be bold and make the changes (to the template, not the title) if you have the time. —Viriditas | Talk 12:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a new version of the template employing the collapsible feature--I think it's much more attractive.  Although I colored it in line with the colors used on the current version of the template, the documentation for  recommends that the styles be left alone to ensure that it blends with the rest of the site.  I rather like the default style, but I'm always open to suggestions. --jonny-mt 14:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation footer