Talk:Iwama style

message: Does Kobayashi really count as Iwama style?  There are ties, but I believe he was uchideshi at hombu dojo rather than Iwama...
132.162.250.239 (talk) 22:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kobayashi

message: I have started a discussion at Talk:Iwama Ryu about merging this article with Iwama Ryu. Please discuss it there.  — Edwin Stearns | Talk 20:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Iwama Ryu]]

message: The external link goes to a British Iwama style web site. I have no clue what such websites exist, but suspect there would be more relevant links than this one. // Habj 23:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: So what is a major style of aikido... is Iwama one of them or not? There is no organisation for Iwama, most of it is nowadays within the Aikikai. Maybe it makes sense to define Iwama as a "major style", maybe not. I find the division on List of aikido styles sensible enough, but putting it in a template in each article makes it look so... definate. IMHO the template adds litte worth but more trouble. I removed it from the article, and and started a discussion at Template talk:Major styles of aikido. // habj 12:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styles template 

message: To what extent is this term used in Japanese? Is it at all? AFAIK the "Iwama aikido" phenomenon is mainly something in the West. // habj 12:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Iwama Sutairu Aikidō 

message: I don't mean to step on anybody's toes, but this article has some glaring issues. Even just the lead is atrocious:
: is an informal name for the style of aikido that was taught by the founder of aikido, Morihei Ueshiba, at the Iwama dojo in the pre-War period.  It is often used to describe the aikido in the lineage of Morihiro Saito, a close disciple of Ueshiba for 23 years, which empahsizes Jō (staff) and Aiki-ken (sword). The name comes from the Japanese village of Iwama where Ueshiba lived during the War, and there taught Morihiro Saito and others.
Problems:
* the bolded name should agree with the article title, which is "Iwama ryu" not "Iwama Style Aikido". 
* The was no Iwama dojo in the pre-war period: Ueshiba only moved to Iwama during WW2 (leaving his son in Tokyo to protect the earlier dojo from firebombing).
* there is a whole bunch more names to mention: ryu, style, sutairu, takemusu, traditional, dento, founder's, Saito, etc.
* The article doesn't yet mention the "Iwama ryu" paper grading certificates produced by Morihiro. These are what justify the article's preference for the title iwama ryu. It is specifically the acknoledgement of these certificates (e.g., the authority of Saito in preference to just the doshu) which unites the informal network of aikido groups that we're trying to discuss, and which distinguishes them from other groups. (Analogously, the ultimate common defining feature of aikikai organisations is acknowledgement of doshu as grading authority.) This is also significant as the paper trail, the thing that is potentially verifiable, as opposed to vagueries of technical influence.
* The lead probably isn't the place to try to explain stylistic/technical differences, it unnecesarilly oversimplifies things. Yes, Saito's style is widely acknowledged for greater inheritance of jo and sword from the founder (and some reasons for this merit describing at some length), but these are still emphasised to similar levels in many non-iwama schools too. And there are other differences too, such as the emphasis on static timing and resistance when teaching beginner/kyu levels.
* The status section should be the place to describe the umbrella organisation set up fairly recently by the 7ds.
* This article is probably a better place than Saito's article for the content dealing with "Saito's legacy" (Iwama ryu students).
I'll suspect though that many of the problems with the articles surrounding Iwama ryu are artifacts due to page moves and such. I'll try to implement some improvements.. Cesiumfrog (talk) 04:24, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  rework 

message: I've attempted to clean this article up a lot and add citations for much of the information.  I removed some citation needed tags placed by myself as they were not intended to challenge the statement and are redundant with the tag at the top
moved to "Iwama style" as "Iwama ryu" is encompassed by style but not visa-versa.
Rufe (talk) 04:40, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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