Talk:Savannah, Georgia

message: I removed the following text from the History section because it didn't seem to fit:
:"The 1/118th Field Artillery unit is also based in Savannah, GA. The following link is an article discussing the history of the National Guard unit. "
I was going to to move it to the Economy section and mention a few other military units with the following text as a leader:
:"Savannah is also the home of a large military population. Several military units, including the 1/118th Field Artillery Unit, are based in Savannah."
I'd be interested to see if anyone has any thoughts if this should be included and if so, what other military units should be added? -- -- Absolon S. Kent (chat), 
Perhaps you should start a section on past and present military history in Savannah. If the city functions as a military post this should be covered in the article. Dimadick (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Military information in Economy section

message: I have moved this into the governance section, as it is not relevant to the history of the place at all. It is also completely unsourced, and over detailed compared to the rest of the article. If this section is to remain it needs to be sourced and given the appropriate weight within the article. Quantpole (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Consolidation section

message: That section says Savannah Morning News is the only daily paper, but then what is Savannah Daily News? Chopped liver? I will leave it to locals to judge whether this paper is worth including. Fences&Windows 23:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Media

message: ALL,
Does anyone know the origin of the name "Savannah" for this city?
Ed Locklin at mp367.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elocklin (talk • contribs) 20:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Savannah River, named for the Savannah band of the Shawnee. All these pages could use name origin info. There's a bit about it on the Westobou River page. Pfly (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Savannah, GA

message: I'm a bit surprised that there is no mention of the Civil War, especially Sherman's March.  This is how Savannah is best known to the world, is it not?  EastmeetsWest (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sherman's March

message: I don't know how I would suggest revising it, as yet, but any discussion of average and record temperatures is skewed by the fact that the equipment that measures official temperatures is located at the Savannah airport, about 10 miles inland from the city center.  Proximity to coastal waters often makes a significant difference in this part of the world.  Temperatures are often several degrees or more hotter at the airport during the summer months and several degrees or more colder during the winter months.  It makes more of a difference for Savannah because we are right on the edge of USDA's Zone 9 region.  So, officially, according to the record books, we appear to have a less favorable climate for growing subtropical trees and shrubs.  Yet a tour of downtown Savannah and neighborhoods south and east reveal many healthy Zone 9a trees and shrubs, while a trip west toward the airport reveals mostly Zone 8b plantings.  Of course in my years here, I've seen Tybee get as cold as the airport on more than one hard freeze occasion.  But generally, there is a difference, if not in temperature, in duration of cold, due to moderating influences of higher sea water temperatures and tides.  But I think perhaps the easiest and best way to manage the changes I'm suggesting is to just include in the climate section a photo of a nice mature subtropical palm that you can find downtown, like Syagrus romanzoffianum or Washingtonia robusta. And I can provide that if necessary. Gikiweek (talk) 22:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the situation is similar for many other cities, including coastal cities, since weather-reporting equipment is commonly located at airports. While there's nothing wrong including a photo of a palm tree in downtown Savannah (especially if it's a good photo that also includes a city landmark), I'm a little doubtful that more than a tiny handful of readers would realize its significance in relation to recorded temperatures. What would be really ideal would be a reliable source (either print or online) noting the temperature difference. Rivertorch (talk) 08:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: I'm not sure how best to modify the exact wording of the intro, but actually Savannah is not the oldest city in what is now Georgia.  There was a short-lived Spanish city called San Miguel de Gualdape that predated Savannah in the area that became Georgia.  Also there were numerous native Americans settlements throughout Georgia which predated San Miguel and all other European settlements, of course.  Nevertheless, there must be a succinct way to revise that first sentence to provide a more accurate description without having to go into all the details.  A couple of possibilities: 1) Savannah is the oldest British colonial city in the U.S. state of Georgia....  Or, 2) Savannah is the oldest continuously occupied city in the U.S. state of Georgia.... Davison.1988 (talk) 02:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introductory Sentence 

message: Can someone familiar with Savannah look at these three articles:
* Central of Georgia Railroad: Savannah Shops and Terminal Facilities
* Georgia State Railroad Museum
* Historic Railroad Shops
It seems to me that they can be merged into one or two articles.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railroad Museum and Terminal and Shops 

message: This is the English Wikipedia - it should use English.  "Parklike" is not an English word.  Just because the error has been in the article for 5 years doesn't make it right. When used as a compound adjective, "park-like" is correct. (I checked with a university language professor on this.)  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "parklike" - use English 

message: Might it be an idea to give both versions of the date, so that the matter can be clear to everyone? I have a similar problem with a 15th-century date. Textbooks give it according to the Julian calendar, so it actually happened nine days later by the Gregorian calendar. To confuse matters even more, a date on a tomb appears to place the event a year earlier, because it happened before Easter. LynwoodF (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Those dates cited above from Savannah are according to the Julian calendar, which was used there till 1752.   The textbook giving the fifteenth century Julian date is right - the Gregorian calendar didn't even exist in the fifteenth century.   The argument about "Georgia Day" is a strawman - per  "The majority of early Americans held on to the birthdays they'd always used".   All their birth certificates give their birthdays in the Julian calendar.   The date in the log of the ship that was first to reach the Savannah river was 1 February.   Anything else is wrong. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I was merely suggesting a compromise. Mason Jones grew up in Savannah and I assume he knows what the convention is there. I agree with you that the textbooks are right to use the Julian day of the month for the 15th-century event, but having used this date in a lecture I gave, I needed to explain why it did not agree with the date on the tomb. I threw in at the end the comment that by modern reckoning it would have been a third date, just to make the point that these things are fluid. LynwoodF (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very different situation from what we're discussing here.   Once you start introducing fictitious dates the encyclopaedic value of the article is lost.   If you quote from a newspaper published on 1 February 1733 and give the date as 12 February scholars are going to go round in circles trying to locate the source.   If the paper says 1 February 1732 and the article says 1 February 1733 people know enough to home in on the correct year. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we get back to my original point in starting this section? I suggested that both dates be mentioned, so that the matter would be clear to all readers. LynwoodF (talk) 16:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why assume that there is a convention in Savannah which Mason Jones knows about and nobody else has heard of?   Encyclopaedia Britannica gives both dates, and I agree with you that would be sensible.   Don't allow him/her to thwart a consensus by edit warring. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 15:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm wary of people who quote dates in books because all too often what they say is wrong.   The current Encyclopaedia Britannica article Savannah, Georgia, United States gives no more than the year.   Have a look at User talk:156.61.250.250#March 2015 where an editor misrepresented sources in an attempt to do for the Russian composer Sergei Rachmaninov exactly what you are attempting to do for Savannah.   However, in this case it appears that everyone is agreed that both dates should be cited. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 16:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

text: , your idea of a parenthetical tag is just the kind of thing I had in mind when I started this section. LynwoodF (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I've checked the paper Encyclopaedia Britannica and it does not convert Julian dates.   Unless you provide volume and page I will be taking you to the Wikipedia Administrator for stuffing articles with incorrect information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.61.250.250 (talk) 16:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

text: What you said was that Britannica gave the date 12 February for the founding of Georgia.   You were lying.   The article "North Carolina" in Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 20, p. 437 says
The expedition arrived at the North Carolina coast on July 4, took possession of the land in the name of the Queen, visited an island "which the Indians called Roanoke," explored the region for several weeks, and set sail for England, carrying two Indians, Manteo and Wanchese.
The book Set Fair for Roanoke:  Voyages and Colonies, 1584 - 1606, David B Quinn, University of North Carolina Press 1985, says on page xiii
NOTE ON EDITING It should be noted that dates used by Englishmen are according to the Julian calendar, which was ten days ahead of the Gregorian calendar, adopted by Catholic Europe ... 
Roanoke Island, the beginnings of English America, David Stick, University of North Carolina Press 1983, available at  says on page 36:
Only a little more than a month later, on April 27, 1584, his explorers departed for the voyage to America.   Master Philip ... the Bahamas, successfully evading Spanish shipping, and on July 4 sighted the North American mainland.   Raleigh's ...
Roanoke:  Solving the Mystery of the Lost Colony, Lee Miller  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.61.250.250 (talk) 12:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

text: You are now claiming that the Gregorian calendar was the standard in Savannah in the early eighteenth century.   Provide proof of that amazing claim or STFU. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julian/Gregorian dates 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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message: Most of the crime section lists stats around 2,009. The section does not need crime stats that are 10 years old. Thinking about removing stats that old.  --Mjrmtg (talk) 21:42, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime section 

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message: Savannah residents and businesses refer to the city as "the Coastal Empire". Why does that mean, and should the explanation be added to the article? Ofwaterfall (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coastal Empire 

message: I've changed "visitor" to "tourist" twice now and it's gotten changed both times. I think the starting paragraph of this article using visitor is fair, because one could include business trips and convention goers, but in articles that talk about scenery & charm, tourist is a more accurate and less euphemistic term than visitor. The Chamber of Commerce and "Vistor's" bureau can use visitor all they want on their websites, but wikipedia should use a more accurate term. This slant towards euphemism can be seen through the whole Savannah article, like the use of the word "home" when "house" is the correct term. Also the history of slavery in Savannah is hardly mentioned at all, although in fairness I'm not the one with the time or inclination to add that information. Nebogifel (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visitor vs Tourist 

message: "With its distinctive dome in tissue-paper-thin, 23-karat gold leaf, Savannah's City Hall (1906), which stands on Bay Street at the head of Bull Street, is the first building constructed for exclusive use by the municipal government." 
 
1. "the first building constructed for exclusive use by the municipal government." --> of the world? in the U.S.A.? in this town/city?
 
2. That caption is much too long. If someone longs so much to get all these townhall details into the article, just put them into the normal text, maybe make a paragraph for the townhall or for several sights with this sort of description?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3033:D:4604:1:2:C5A0:1CFD (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  unclear and long image caption