Talk:Midshipman

message: * MIDSHIPMAN'S NUTS. Broken pieces of biscuit as dessert. (Smyth William Henry: The Sailor's Word-Book: An Alphabetical Digest of Nautical Terms, including Some More Especially Military and Scientific, but Useful to Seamen; as well as Archaisms of Early Voyagers, etc., 1867. Blackie & Co, Glasgow)
* MIDSHIPMAN'S ROLL. A slovenly method of rolling up a hammock transversely, and lashing it endways by one clue (Smyth)
* MIDSHIPMAN'S HITCH. An alternative to the Blackwall Hitch, preferred if the rope is greasy.  Made by first forming a Blackwell hitch and then taking the underneath part and placing over the bill of the hook.(Admirilaty Manual of Seamnship Vol I, HMSO, London, 1964)
Farawayman (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other nautical references to "Midshipman"

message: There was also an Imperial Russian equivalent michman (Мичман)~(I have np sources apart from Ru-Wiki, so I won't add it). Pibwl ←« 10:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point - I've actually removed the references to the Russian Midshipman, for two reasons; as of December 1, 2009, the rank will be phased out in the Russian Navy, and the usage I can find for that rank was as of warrant officer, not an apprentice or cadet officer.   The term itself is so close to Midshipman but dictionaries translate it to Warrant Officer, so I put the links there; if you can translate Ru-Wiki, please put it there!  Thanks!  Kirk (talk) 17:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Michman

message: I tried to find information about Japanese Midshipmen or their equivalent; if you know Japanese and can add that information to this article, that would be helpful.  Kirk (talk) 17:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Midshipman/Naval Cadet

message: Since this gets changed frequently I probably should mention this - if there's some reason the USN doesn't want its midshipmen to be generalized as 'cadets', please add a source.  The sports rivalry with West Point probably plays a part, but multiple dictionary definitions for midshipman use the word 'cadet', and the definition of cadet is a student at a service academy.  Kirk (talk) 13:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The term Officer Cadet in the USN

message: Having been a Mid RN, I have never heard of OF(D). It is true that until a few years ago Midshipman were not commissioned, making them junior to 2Lts and POs, however this was changed in 2007/08 (I can't remember the exact timing off the top of my head but will look up the original notice when I am next able). Especially under the new training pipeline which is described extremely well in the article, there is no reason why a Midshipman ranks below 2Lt and PO. Anyone know?--Noofworm (talk) 01:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing I can quickly find online is http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/CorporatePublications/PersonnelPublications/Pensions/PensionCodes/TableOfNatoRanks.htm which certainly shows mids as OF1, but isn't very clear on their relative seniority versus the lowest ranks in other services (you'll need to follow the link to an MS Word doc).  David Underdown (talk) 13:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that confirms what I thought. Officer Cadet in the RN would fit in with OF(D), not Midshipman as it is a commissioned rank and so OF1. The Officer Designate article actually says Acting Pilot Officer is OD(D) too, which confuses matters even more. APO is down as OF1 on the APO page.  --Noofworm (talk) 00:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What on earth is OF(D) and why is Midshipman classed as it? 

message: Ciao to everyone, yesterday searching some terms on various English dictionaries I've found that the first known use of "amidship" is dated 1662. "Midship" is dated 1779, "shipman" is used since before 12th century, and "midshipman"... so remembering the latin word "mesonauta" (meso = mid - nauta = shipman) I've found this: . --Nicola Romani (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midshipman and its etymology 

message: I removed the see also for Oberfähnrich zur See since it was not accurate, and there really isn't a call for highlighting one rank in a language over others. As I've noted above and in the article, when you think of a 'Midshipman' in another languages must consider how the word was used historically, and how the word is used today in relation to the training of commissioned officers. Dictionaries do have literal translations to a single equivalent noun or phrase which makes comparison very difficult at best. Kirk (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oberfähnrich zur See 

message: I reverted the recent changes to the lead and the other countries sections. The lead was pretty meticulously reviewed during the FA process but if there's a reason for a wholesale deletion of two paragraphs please discuss it here. 
The other countries section has been subject to a few edits since the FA review, because (as I've said in the article and above), when you think of a 'Midshipman' in another languages must consider how the word was used historically, and how the word is used today in relation to the training of commissioned officers, which I think I provided when I wrote that section (again, reviewed multiple times for FA). So you can't just link out to a word that a dictionary chooses to literally translate to Midshipman and delete the context.
I agree michman (Мичман) should be in here but it needs some sources before you add it to the article, and it needs to explain the context of the rank outside of a single sentence - the original query from 2009 is summarized above, and I didn't see your changes as an improvement. Kirk (talk) 19:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: :In the 17th century, a midshipman was a rating for an experienced seaman...
Should that be or?--Jack Upland (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second para