Talk:Heist film

message: Is this article necessary? Could it be combined with caper story? 3mta3 05:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Necessary?

message: * Talk:Big caper movie – Big caper movie → Heist film – "Big caper movie" is an obscure name for the genre much more popularly known as the "Heist film" or "Caper film". — Kevin Myers 05:13, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
* Support. --Dhartung | Talk 09:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: I don’t understand the History section of this article. It seems to say that a 1955 film was the origin of the genre, but then says that films of the 1940s and 1950s brought the genre to fame. I consulted this article because I was curious about heist films that preceded The Asphalt Jungle, and the article is no help at all with that. The list of films should really be in chronological order, not alphabetical. --Mathew5000 01:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  history section 

message: This Heist film sub-plot isn't notable enough for its own article. If it was nominated for deletion I doubt it would be kept, but it's a common theme in heist films so would be more appropriate as a section here. Masaruemoto 23:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[One last big job]] here 

message: The History section needs a major rewrite.  It sounds like a lecture by a Heist movie fan rather than an encyclopedia entry.  Please try to keep from advocating one style or another.  Stick to facts, in other words don't say things like, "ingenious", "second to none" or other things that speak to quality. "De gustibus non disputandum" In matters of taste there can be no right and wrong. Foolishben 09:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: The entire reference section consists of the definition of two words- "caper" and "heist".  So I gather this article is just the imaginings of a wannabe film scholar and what he or she thinks a "heist" film is.  At this point, years on, the article should be scrapped and restarted with the proper research done, instead of trying to clean up and justify the mess of suppositions this article has become.  Buster (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Buster.  This article is nothing but the opinions of a bunch of would-be film scholars.  I have removed some of the more egregious sections in which opinion stands in for referenced information.  I also removed the etymology section, which was utterly irrelevant.  If you want a dictionary definition, add a link to Wiktionary. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  That's the Reference Section? 

message: since they appear to be about a retired criminal who does not pull a heist it seems to me that this section does not really belong.
:"Early examples of films which elaborately depict a heist are the three screen versions of the play Alias Jimmy Valentine, the first two made in the silent era (1915 and 1920). 
Carptrash (talk) 22:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Although I have not seen these movies 

message: I removed unsourced content as seen here to give this article a fresh start. These details can be used by future editors to research additional sources to include in the article. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't call my edits vandalism. I left a detailed edit summary with my reasons to remove the list. To repeat: if this is an exhaustive list, why do we need it and why do we need it here (as opposed to on e.g. List of heist films)? If it isn't, the examples could be better. I'll admit, though, the sourced part of the list looks more on-topic than it seemed to me when I made the edits. Daß Wölf 01:19, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, "vandalism" was an overstatement. I didn't see why completely valid and reliably sourced content had to be removed outright from Wikipedia in its entirety. You could have been bold in simply migrating the list section to list of heist films, though I am not sure if standalone lists are warranted every time, especially for relatively minor genres. Embedded lists are a thing, though I don't think we have any precedent or guidelines to follow here. I don't know how many heist movies there could be, or if adding more prose to this article would make the embedded list more palatable. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think something like what you did with Thriller film would be a fine target for this article. Unfortunately it seems that the list takes all the new editors' attention away from the stub. Regarding the quantity of heist films, PetScan lists 683 articles in :Category:Heist films. I think a low-four-figure total of all GNG/NFILM-passing heist films would be a decent estimate. Come to think of it a separate list article would be a good idea. E.g. we have List of blaxploitation films, which is definitely a smaller genre. Daß Wölf 23:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Yes I see you yourself had time to deduce which of that is RS and which isn't. No need to be snarky. This isn't my day job, I can't always drop everything for half an hour to improve an article. Daß Wölf 22:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm saying you have the power to revert the addition of unsourced content. Fine if you wanted to template the lead-section prose, but undoing the unsourced content was an easy step. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 02:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced content 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect One last big job. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.   — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  01:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "One last big job" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Also about a heist, and it is/was pretty popular. 62.165.197.56 (talk) 21:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestion! I found a reliable source for it and added it to the list. Anything else you can think of, please suggest! Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 00:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about the movie Entrapment? 

message: *
The above source has extensive coverage about the genre across two pages with numerous examples. I just used it as a reference for the recently-added Hudson Hawk. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The BFI Companion to Crime