Talk:Philippine National Railways

message: had a look at improving it but it's difficult because the meaning is usually not clear.
It appears to be duplicated at http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Philippine+National+Railways but i don't know which came first...
--Tomheaton 16:21, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: We came first -- there's a little note in small type just above their logo at the bottom of the page! -- Arwel 16:34, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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message: I have reviewed the article and think it is almost there. The prose, images, references in general all good. I do however have a few concerns, mainly in regards to the need for a few more references and with regards WP:NPOV on a few sentances. As such the article does not yet meet Wikipedia:What is a good article? numbers 2 and 4. A few improvements should bring the article up to GA status. These are in the history section:
* Add a reference to support claim of financial difficulties WP:REF - "Even while suffering financial difficulties from 1957 to 1963, the pinnacle of Philippine passenger railway operations was reached during the late 1960s and early 1970s."
**Reworded.  Financial difficulties are most likely attributed to the dieselization of PNR.  The statement of Philippine rail services reaching its "pinnacle" has been removed until sources have been found.
* Suggest Removal of phrase "albeit modest by comparison: the Prestige". - WP:NPOV
**Removed per above.
* Add a reference to support claims of recovery under Ramos WP:REF - "It was only during the presidency of Fidel Ramos that a semblance of recovery was seen at PNR".
**In progress Done.  It is true that in the post-Marcos era, it is during the times of Ramos, (possibly) Estrada and Arroyo that PNR was recovering from the Aquino era.  I will reword that statement (As of 22:37 UTC (17:37 or 5:37pm EDT), this statement has been fixed)
* Suggest Removal of phrase "Being lower and slightly narrower they provide a much better ride than the 30-year-old coaches built in Madras". - WP:NPOV
**Removed per above.  Much of the PNR fleet today consists of Japanese-built trains.
* The last paragraph of the history section seems inappropriate for the article - Wikipedia:No original research. I suggest a rewrite, citing trains may be late but removing the indepth reasons as to why, they dont seem relevant or necessary. Furthermore I recommended creating a new sub section with history e.g. "The PNR today" as this is more present, than past: "Today the southbound overnight train leaves Tutuban station in Manila at 16:00 and on a good day arrives in Legazpi at around 7:00 the following morning. Trains often arrive late, however, one of the main reasons for delay being the need to slow down for the many level crossings. Despite constant application of the train's horn and the provision of "stop-look-and-listen" signs, road traffic frequently ignores these signals, resulting in a large number of crossing accidents, although the number has reduced in recent years."
**Rewritten to discuss about the tenure of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo instead.
Other things that I would recommend would be to improve the image captions, in particular the one relating to Vito Cruz station - Wikipedia:Captions. I would also recommend trying to improve the lead section. In particular add citations or remove the following claim if cannot be sourced - "PNR also aims to link key cities within in the Philippines efficiently, a goal since marred by the overall degradation of rail infrastructure, as well as a lack of funds to fund the network's rehabilitation." Give a reference for a.) the claim to link cities and b.) how the goal has been marred. If these things are addressed I would pass it for GA. LordHarris 23:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will need to find all the resources that I used to make the article (which for some reason have been lost, but I will look for them).  Some questionable phrases will be changed, and I guess I can change the captions.  I will need some time to implement these changes.  --Sky Harbor 12:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, well if the on hold status ends after 7 days and you decide to renominate at a later stage when youve made the changes, then let me know and I will be happy to review again. Just of note for those pieces of information that your having difficulty finding a reference I suggest rewording the information so it becomes less of an assertation that requires verifiability e.g. rewording of financial difficulties and removing the phrase 'reached the pinnacle of passenger operations' would improve it. LordHarris 11:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the changes per above (second level of bullets).  I improved the caption on Vito Cruz station, and I will add further sources on the lead (PNR's goal of linking the Philippines is true; it's in one of Arroyo's State of the Nation addresses).  As per how the goal of rehabilitation has been marred, I intend to rewrite the section to discuss problems with rehabilitation instead.  --Sky Harbor 20:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok well great effort on all those improvements! With the exception of the two points that you are in progress rewording, the article is GA status. So when you finished rewording those two points drop me a message and ill update the article to GA level. Regards, LordHarris 20:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one left...how the PNR's goals were marred.  I have to find some way to reword that statement.  --Sky Harbor 21:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 14:00/2:00pm EDT (19:00 UTC), all issues surrounding the article that were brought up have been fixed (more citations in the lead, and a minor rewrite).  I think this article is now ready for GA status.  Just waiting now for the signal.  --Sky Harbor 17:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GA status confirmed. Good job! LordHarris 18:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA status

message: Can someone confirm the veracity of this statement (I know this might be true, but I need sources badly):
:The pinnacle of Philippine passenger railway operations was reached during the late 1960s and early 1970s, when there were four daily runs to the capital from Legazpi: one "ordinary" morning departure, followed in the afternoon by the all-economy Bicol Express (scheduled to leave at 15:00), the popular Mayon Limited one hour later at 16:00, and finally by the PNR's answer to the Orient Express, albeit modest by comparison: the Prestige.
If anyone can verify this with reliable sources, that would be greatly appreciated.  --Sky Harbor 20:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statement 

message: On the basis of the information provided by previous contributors and what is now shown on the official PNR website I've rearranged the passenger service part of the article to accurately show current services, and also to include information previously provided about future and defunct services.  If anyone has additional accurate information, please add with citations. Gubernatoria (talk) 11:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't expect to find citations.  PNR's website is grossly outdated. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current / Proposed / Past / Passenger services 

message: This article has just has its GA status reassessed as part of the WP:SWEEPS; the article was found to have substantial problems, especially in the matter of referencing and neutrality. Given the substantial nature of these deficiencies, the article has been failed immediately as it is felt that the necessary improvements required to meet the GA criteria will not be made within a 7-day grace period. However, as there has been some (minor) activity on this article recently, and because it is listed under 2 WikiProjects, if the issues outlined in the reassessment are addressed and resolved within 7 days, then I will undertake an immediate GA review to re-list the article. The reassessment review can be found here. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any queries regarding this matter. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 08:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article delisted from GA category 

message: This article is using it's own version from years ago as a reference (ref [6]), which is of course problematic here. (See: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks why). The source for some of the defunct services of PNR is therefore actually a unreferenced part of the article which has been scrapped after some time, when the article was growing. The article needs a good source on this, f.e. RAILWAYS of the PHILIPPINES (Public, Sugar and Industrial Locomotive Lists) - Reg Carter - Revised Aug 1999. The particular reference and information should otherwise be removed I would say, I think we shouldn't build on an old and removed part of the article.  Leodb (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed all references to the mirror and replaced them with  where the relevant statements weren't otherwise supported. (e • nn • en!) 19:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem: a mirror of this article is used as a source (Fact-index) 

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message: This is about paint schemes. This could be expanded on an article named Philippine National Railways liveries by adding more references.
I agree with this proposal; 1) the Rolling Stock page can lead to its separate articles. 2) PNR as an operator must be prioritized in the page of the same name. 3) A reader who will go to this page must not end up seeing portions that might be too cumbersome; hence while liveries are notable they must have their separate page for better organization.
Pinging other users for thoughts:   {interact|ambags} 07:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some quick search here on Wiki and I think this would become somewhat similar to the case of Amtrak. It has separate articles for its rolling stock and paint schemes. —Hiwilms (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course. We need some more references once we split these. But yeah; the main goal here is to focus the PNR article on the operator itself. Pinging  Maybe you have some references to add? HiwilmsTalk 07:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regarding sources for liveries, I haven't found safe ones—those are, verified from archives/museums and not of individual persons. Though, these may be useful: 1) photographic sources by scanned archival news clippings and/or photographs taken decades ago are strong evidences in verifying that the former liveries exist; an example is this blog by PRHS with files on it, or a bunch of photos on Flickr (provided there is permission in good faith). 2) If there are available copies on the Web and/or libraries, then I can help on the lookout for documents/files that can further support the livery changes as part of MRR/PNR's dieselization and further development wayback.  {interact|ambags} 08:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Though if we can agree that photographic evidences alone can be just as verifiable as I mentioned above, then there's a lot of them, good for footnotes.  {interact|ambags} 05:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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