Talk:Humanitarian response to the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

message: The Macedonian government, organizations, and private donors delivered aid to the affected countries worth more than € 1.5 million. 
Why is it not in the list?  --Bonina 15:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Selket Talk 15:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macedonia 

message: Why has the "Permille of GNP" and "Total" been removed in  "Contributing countries and supra-national organizations" ? It is a good column - someone please revert it. 
Why has the order of the table in the section "Contributing countries and supra-national organizations" changed from amount of donation to alphabetical order? The first order made more sense.
-- Joolz
 why not change it in the order of "Permille of GNP"?
Splitting this from the main article 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, was a practical measure needed to cope with the rapid rate of editing a very large article in the face of multiple edits per minute (with occasional vandalism sprees and reversions all happening simultaneously with legitimte new edits).
The split was done in accordance with a vote at Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, and was supported by a number of people who had previously opposed such a split in an earlier vote.
Please do not unsplit (at least not for the time being) without a vote at the parent page talk page.  If you are an admin, please help promptly block any vandals of this and the parent page.
-- Curps 08:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Aid is given in a bunch of different ways: no-strings-attached aid, low interest loans, no interest loans, forgiveness of foreign debt, supplies, money for reconstruction that must be spent hiring companies from the country that gave the money, etc.  It's important to specify the terms of the aid.  BanyanTree 20:03, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc 

message: Hi there,
In Portugal the government also sent some financial help, do you have any official figures?
best regards.
:I've done a quick research, but so far have been unable to find out anything other than that Portugal has set up an account to receive donations from the people who want to contribute with the Portuguese Red Cross.  It is usually easier for a Portuguese native to find out such information and add it to the website.  First, there's the issue of the language: most of the people here do not speak Portuguese and thus can't read the online newspapers from Portugal that might contain the information.  Second, even if someone not from Portugal who speaks Portuguese decides to reseach, there's the issue of knowing where to look.  I am ashamed to admit I don't know any of the Portuguese leading newspapers, so even though I speak the language, it's tougher for me to look for it.  Regards, Redux 02:11, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal 

message: Should the contributions be tallied on liquid funds or broken down on combined tallies of everything contributed. I ask because Canada's debt moratorium would raise Canada to the top of the list, and forthcoming potential debt moratoriums (as from the EU) could likewise do the same for other contributor countries. I stress this because according to several ministers from affected countries, this is one of their preferred methods of relief. Also, similar to the drug company donations of drugs of a monetary value (such as the $25M USD contribution) should all donations be tallied to include known materiel? (such as the above C-5 Galaxy question, or fuel and other such things)
-Professor Ninja
:How do we account for a debt moratorium? Indonesia may owe Canada >$500 million, but does the moratorium only mean an interest-free grace period during which no payments are due? Certainly, interest is huge, but I wonder how we account for it. I live in Canada, but haven't seen the moratorium quantified in news articles.--Westendgirl 21:40, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is, it is an indefinite suspension of debt, as well as interest accrual, for "the foreseeable future", meaning that indebted countries have their coffers freed to act on the efforts themselves, without concern to long-term effects to the economy - which is why they enjoy this form of debt relief, as reaching into debt money can ruin their credit rating, and ergo their economy. Giving somebody a debt relief of a straight $1M donation versus a moratorium on $1M debt can mean the difference between a $1M-worth of recovery and a stagnant, crippled economy as opposed to a $1M-worth of recovery and an economy that can bounce back. With Canada's moratorium, as well as pending Euro countries' moratoriums, and a possible one from the U.S., it might raise the total relief considerably. Canada's relatively minor status as an international creditor shows just how -- the total amount of Canada's contribution of government, private (individual and NGO) and debt cancellation is about $1,068,870,000.00CAD (or $890,167,659.89USD / €657,113,542.93). How much would it affect other country's contributions is well worth considering, as well. --Professor Ninja 00:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a Globe & Mail article  that indicates the individual and total amount of debt ($1B) covered by the moratorium. The Globe says this means Canada is essentially contributing CAD $30-$40M annually, not including actual payments on the debt. I'm not sure how long the amortization on the loans is, but Canada is freeing up considerable cash for many of the tsunami countries. However, a CNN article says that some of the countries haven't been making payments for a few years anyway -- although I don't think Myanmar (Burma) is conforming to any international demands these days. --Westendgirl 03:41, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I think the explanation is that it is $40M of our own money annually to repay our own economy the cancelled debt, not equivalent to us giving $40M each year to these countries so-affected. "This totals close to $1-billion. Most of the debt is earning interest at 3 per cent or 4 per cent a year, which will be forgiven during the moratorium at a cost to Canada of $30-million to $40-million annually."  I think we should definitely include these moratoriums and other forms of aid in the table (perhaps seperated into cells indicating total, immediate or monetary, and other. Professor Ninja 15:52, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the Canadian contribution to CAD 164.2m. This includes $80m from the feds, $17.9m from the provinces, a debt moratorium worth $30m+ (I only included one year), plus matching the current level of private donations from Canadians (currently $36.3m). I also updated the NGO/private/business contributions. As noted, I only included $30m for one year of debt moratorium. Is there a better way to quantify this? I am not sure what the future value of the moratorium will be. --Westendgirl 07:21, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I was going to say, the contribution matching is good, but should we wait till the call-up date? (Is it the 15th or the 11th? I can't remember). Also, quantififying the moratorium may best be done in toto, accompanied by a footnote explaining how much of the total relief is from the moratorium at the bottom of the section or page. Similarly, other countries' should be looked at by somebody.Professor Ninja 16:04, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the Canadian figures to include the matching. (CIDA says $200M qualifies for matching -- see footnote in article.) It would be good if someone could check my GNP and GDP calculations. Also, there is still no valuation for the debt moratorium -- has anyone got details? --Westendgirl 22:05, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: This would affect also Italy's figure. The $95m is the total sum indicated by our FM, but many newspapers haven't yet understood if debts moratorium is included or not, leading to the situation where some - even this page until recently - still report the initial $3.9m, and some others what has been declared by the minister. --Balubino 17:14, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tallies for non-Currency Contributions 

message: Visitors to Nias Island.com alledges that Nias is not getting enough relief attention (here and here). Most Indonesian relief (understandably) goes to Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam (Aceh), since apparently that's where most of the deaths are. Perhaps other small islands and areas in Northern Sumatra are getting the same treatment (or lack of treatment). Can anyone else find any other source for confirmation? And if so write in the proper paragraph into the Indonesia section? And perhaps this more appropriately belongs in Wikinews (here or here)?
--Lemi4 15:22, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nias (Indonesia) and other islands ignored? 

message: I think the ICC XI / Asia XI cricket match should be mentioned somewhere, since cricket is a major sport in India and Sri Lanka and the match itself is expected to generate millions of dollars for aid. Thoughts? --Plattopus 17:57, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Perhaps the total money raised by the game should been included, after it takes place. Until then, it should be mentioned on the 'how to donate', with detail on how to purchase tickets.--Cyberjunkie 11:16, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Charity cricket match?

message: The article is becoming unnecessarily large. I move to remove the "Contributions of Individuals and Philthropists" table from the page. It is not particulary insightful information, and could be easily integrated with appropriate sections - if necessary. The donations of a select few members of the public are no more important than the donations of the rest, and as such, should be included in 'total private donations'. --Cyberjunkie 16:21, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposition

message: Government and NGO donations should be footnoted. Although I'm able to find news stories in Google for speculations about Germany's donation, I haven't been able to find them for other countries, such as Australia. Also, if countries are using debt moratorium to provide relief, we need to find a way to value this. --Westendgirl 06:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Where on the page are Government and NGO donations being confused?--Cyberjunkie 11:12, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not being confused. I meant that, as separate items, they should be footnoted. Otherwise, no one can check the figures. --Westendgirl 18:30, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country Totals 

message: I just wanted to congratulate you all on this article. Everytime I come back to it, it gets better and better. Today I came back and was too impressed by it to say nothing. It was an actual palpable feeling, I was very impressed. I just want to let you know that it's really appreciated. --Clngre 15:50, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good job

message: UK section: £100M (USD 145M) Yet some people say  that the exchange rate is £1 = $1.8.  Are we using some special exchange rate, or was one of those numbers edited without changing the other?  Ojw 21:01, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The dollar has strenghten significantly in the last few days (particularly against the euro) so older figures have greater value compared to newly added ones. I'll update all the converted figures in the totals table now. Unfortunately this task will have to be done again if the rate changes significantly again :(. CGorman 13:25, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll put a note saying something like exchange rates as of Saturday 8/1/05, $1 = €0.766, £0.534.... etc. For your info, im using xe.com's fantastic calculator. CGorman 13:29, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Well  xe.com, iccfx.com, and x-rates will all produce the same figures, the problem is to convert all figures at the same rate/time - at present fridays (7/1/05) closing figures are in use. Perhaps for the next few weeks we should update the figures every Friday (or Saturday/Sunday) and only use those figures for the rest of the week (e.g. if someone adds a new figure for France on Wednesday they should use last fridays closing figure to calculate the USD amount) this would ensure 100% consistancy and accuracy. The rates are posted at the top of the list of major donors. CGorman 15:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exchange rates? 

message: I'm removing the Average from both tables, because it's only averaging the totals from the top donors, not all donors.  Missing from the list of donors are such countries as Turkey, Iran, South Korea, Luxembourg, Monaco, Nepal, Estonia and several others.  The reason they are missing is because they are not major donors, as the first table indicates.  Just adding the totals from the few countries that I listed would adjust the average completely in both tables.  Also, you cannot do an average without including such countries as North Korea that has given no money at all.  This would additionally change the average and would drop it lower than where it's at, even if we include the all the countries that have donated money.  For this reason, I'm removing the Average line from both tables.Lokifer 21:26, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The '''Average'''

message: I've just tested vertically aligning the titles of countries in the left cells of the tables, and it makes the tables look more presentable. I see it's not currently possible to use colgroups and col tags within a wikified table, and that using the vertical-align attribute in the style tags, even with !important, does not affect the presentation. We could put valign="top" in each td in the left columns. –– Constafrequent (talk page) 05:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there are objections to my suggestion, I will go ahead and make the change after 05:47, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Done. I put valign="top" in the appropriate table cells. –– Constafrequent (talk page) 08:15, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table formatting 

message: This article is now in excess of 91kb - in what way might we look to split it?  One article for countries and one for other organisation/events? violet/riga (t) 12:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not usually in favour of splitting articles, but this might be appropriate. Or, at the risk of sounding deletionist, how about removing the "contributing corporations" table, and incorporating their donantions into countries private donations. I really don't see much point for this table, other than to better the perception of some companies, which is not the aim of Wikipedia. The "contributing NGO's" section could probably be shortened and made succinct, and thus, not need to be moved.--Cyberjunkie 03:04, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about changing "contributing NGO's" to a list of participating NGO's, with a combined total of their donations.--Cyberjunkie 03:08, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No need for a split, the page is well organized and easy to scan and find information of interest, it carries its 91kb well.--Silverback 11:49, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I noticed previously the Australian per capita of GDP entries just had ? marks, probably to make sure we weren't the leader, well the fact is, Australia was the leader in the relief effort, and I have added the per capita's which has put us in a clear lead, which is how it should be.
:Please, in matters as tragic as this, it is grossly inappropriate to be competitive or arrogant.  Though, yes, Australia is, per capita, the leading donor, hubris is un-necessary. When I last updated the amount donated by Australia, I didn’t have the figures (or confidence in my own mathematical abilities to calculate them) to update the per capita statistics. Thankyou for doing so.--Cyberjunkie 09:12, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: all of this article needs to be put into past tense because ......--86.136.97.132 18:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  past tense 

message: Totaly, how many US$ were sent to the area (as donation only), and to how many people ? Yug (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totaly ? 

message: Why has the donor business turned into a competition? Every country did their part to help the victims of the tsunami. Now the bureaucratic/technocratic consumerists of the web and the modern world are turning compassion into competiton? Why? 
124.177.67.87 05:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What has the world become?

message: What about all of the websites of those filthy, jerks, those stupid, evil, cruel scammers...Sorry, I want to cuss out loud here since I despise jerks...anyway, there were a lot of websites set up online as "donations to tsunami" and those filthy scammers stole money from the people who could really use that money(ahem, to live maybe?). What about that occurence? shoudln't that be mentioned(sorry, can't control grammar around the thought of jekrs).
--Heero Kirashami 01:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would like to note... 

message: I was wondering why  was taking so long to process that page. Now that I see how many references there are, I understand better.
However, most of the references that are now untitled are 404 - Page not found. I believe that there is a lot of cleaning to do: A reference with a dead link is useless. NicDumZ ~ 21:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DumZiBoT and deadlinks 

message: Does anyone have information on the actual amount of aid that was delivered.  The criticism section is full of vague concerns, but I would imagine that there should at least be some sort of tentative conclusion by this point.Ricree101 (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delivered Donations 

message: AFAI,in 2004 the GNP of Japan and Germany are generally the same,and the two counties  contributed about 500m-600m USD.But the Permille of GNP of the two are largely differentiated from 0.27(G),0.115(J) .I just wonder how these figures are calculated.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 00:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: about the list of donor,Permille of GNP

message: Why is every stated currency followed by the equivalent American currency exchange rate? Either these must be removed or the exchange rates of other countries must be added, to offset American-centric bias. NorthernThunder (talk) 09:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currencies 

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