Talk:Opera/Archive 4

message: I have some doubts whether this recording/performance is suitable for introducing people to Mozart's operas. Personally, I think I would be scared off by it :). The lack of accompaniment could be part of the problem, the singer's strange pronunciation of German could be part of the problem - anyway, whatever the reason, the first 40 seconds or so are almost a torture for me. Maybe it takes a more refined/experienced ear to enjoy it? --194.145.161.227 22:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hoelle Rache sample 

message: I found cites for a historical discussion of early opera and antecedents in Britain, and so I added some discussion.  Feel free to refine it.  -- Ssilvers 05:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: English-language opera

message: User:Daniel.Bryant has put a sprotect2 tag on this article. Perhaps we could have an explanation of why, what and how does it work? - Kleinzach 09:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:SEMI, unregistered and "new2 accoutns cannot edit the page whilst semi-protection is in place, basically it should cut down the amount of vandalism, the article's been getting hit quite a lot recently.  David Underdown 10:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Daniel.Bryant]]'s sprotect2 tag

message: Per a request, I have copied this note here explaining my action on the article Opera a couple of hours ago:-What I have done is used my ability as an administrator to restrict editing for a period of five days under the protection policy; no IP address or user less than four days old will be able to edit the page. This action has been logged on the article's log by the MediaWiki software.Although administrators generally don't leave protection notes on talk pages (rather,  etc. on the article), I have added this one per a request to. Daniel Bryant 10:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for explaining. Much appreciated. I just wonder how effective a 5-day restriction will be. I'd really like to see a longer period or a permanent block on unregistered editors. What do other people think? - Kleinzach 10:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, permanent semi-protection is only afforded to those articles which IP vandals love: George W. Bush, etc. Other articles, including this one, can generally only have short-term semi-protection, to prevent the disruption and to bore the vandals out, basically. Quoting the policy,Indefinite semi-protection may be used for [a]rticles subject to heavy and continued vandalism, such as George W. Bush; *[b]iographies subject to vandalism and/or POV-pushing that aren't widely watchlisted; [and u]ser pages (but not user talk pages), when requested by the user.Unfortunately, this article does not fit this criteria; rather, it fits the "temporary protection" criteria (quoting again):Temporary semi-protection may be used for [p]reventing vandalism when blocking users individually is not a feasible option, such as a high rate of vandalism from a wide range of anonymous IP addresses; and [a]rticle talk pages that are being disrupted; this should be used sparingly because it prevents new users and anons from being part of discussions.Reading a little more,Semi-protection should not be used...[t]o prohibit anonymous editing in general.Of course, if the vandalism returns at absured levels after the five days, then you could request reprotection, and more-than-likely the duration would increase (no guarantees, but it should, to something like 10-14). Hope that helps in explaining. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 10:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: How many pictures of opera houses does this article need? We already have three and now somebody is trying to add a fourth. Can't we make do with one representative example, e.g. La Scala? --Folantin 14:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  Since it's an article on "opera", not "opera houses", shouldn't there be images of one of each of these: an opera house (one exterior and one interior?), a famous opera singer (male and female?), a famous composer or two, maybe a page of music, a programme cover from an opera or two, a poster/advertisement for an opera or two, and album cover of an opera recording or two, a statue or painting based on an opera, etc?  Best regards -- Ssilvers 18:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The best place fror multiple pictures of opera houses is the article on Opera houses. - Kleinzach 23:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Is it worth adding a section on opera written for television (Menotti onwards), or is this covered elsewhere? I couldn't find an article... Barnabypage 12:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no article as far as I'm aware. It might be worth writing one. The title probably needs to be Opera for television or Television opera, to distinguish it from all the operas written for the stage which are simply broadcast on TV. Then we could link to it from this page (there probably isn't room to cover it fully here - the main article is bursting at the seams as it is). --Folantin 12:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's such an article: if you want to write a separate one and then link to it from here, please feel free. Cheers, Moreschi  Talk 12:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it should probably be Opera for television. How many are there? Owen Wingrave, Amahl and the Night Visitors . . . - Kleinzach 15:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, if you really want to have fun, you could write Opera for radio...or is that even opera at all, with no visual element?...Moreschi  Talk 15:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opera on TV

message: Hello, do you think it is worth mentioning the Querelle des Bouffons in an article about opera in general? Thank you. --Kyoko 20:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not. This main article is already too long, I think. The "national" opera sections here are only meant to be very sketchy. The Querelle gets mentioned in the main French opera article (plus it has its own page). --Folantin 20:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's fine. I don't think it's the sort of thing most opera fans are aware of anyway, unless I am very mistaken. --Kyoko 20:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an important episode in the history of 18th century French music but it's too complicated to be treated in a single sentence, which is all we could probably allow here. The section on French opera on this page really gives no more than a brief outline of the major names and the main genres. --Folantin 20:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Querelle des Bouffons]]? 

message: I'm very surprised that there is no cultural section here. The perceptions of opera in different countries, portrayal of opera in film and literature, nothing. Odd, don't you think?
:Can you sign please? Thanks. -- Kleinzach 23:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about not signing before, but don't just blow me off, okay? I'd appreciate a real response. 72.77.199.58 03:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. How about registering first and then joining in? This article here is obviously a general intoduction, if you want to do justice to your idea it should probably be in a dedicated article. We can help you write/edit it. -- Kleinzach 03:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture section would be useful