Talk:Religion and drugs

message: Guys what does the first sentence mean? It seems nonsensical.
(The sentence is "Many religion may also play a significant part in the development of religion and religious views as well as in rituals.")  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.230.77 (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence? 

message: The last section of this page is currently "modern research" which says:
:"Rick Strassman began research into the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) by administering it to 60 human volunteers. This research was conducted at the University of New Mexico's School of Medicine in Albuquerque."
As far as I can discern, this is completely and totally irrelevant to the rest of the article. How is this related to the use of drugs in religion? If it is, maybe someone could add a few sentences that explain the connection to the rest of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fluck (talk • contribs) 13:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the irrelevant section.--GSchjetne (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Research 

message: This image relates it to cannabis as seen on it's deletion page. (It is just an image of the paths of tiferet in the kabbalistic tree of life) I tried to post it on various other discussions and after being met with a bit of "redirection", I am here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:godislove.png (I recently renamed the file to a properly formatted name but it was merged into this name by MSJapan to make it easier to delete, fair enough)--TaylorOliphant (talk) 03:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabbalistic tree of life 

message: I read somewhere (I forgot where) that LSD is so readily available because Evangelists were producing them.  It said that they didn't really care about the money (which is why LSD is relatively cheap), and that they just wanted everyone to try it.  It was online somewhere, so I'm not sure if it was a credible source. But if anyone else knows anything about that, maybe they should add it to the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.146.25 (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD) and Evangelists? 

message: How is this page different from the enormous and more detailed, and definitely more cited, wikipage entheogens?
These two pages should somehow be merged, I propose.
--makeswell 23:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge {{PAGENAME}} with [[Entheogen]]s 

message: What is Most Christian denominations disapprove of the use of most illicit drugs intended to mean?
Generally, the term illicit implies that something is disapproved off
Therefore, it seems to lack real meaning without identifiction of the source of the disapproval
If the source is Christianity, then does the sentence say anymore than that Christianity disapproves of some drug use, without really specifying what drugs or what manner of use?
Laurel Bush (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Um. Old comment I know, but I feel sort of compelled to just point out that, no… “illicit” does not somehow just broadly “imply disapproval” by a religion or religious group for any particular drug. There’s various substances which are legal and are still disapproved of by some religions, and vice versa. And just because something like alcohol prohibition happened in the 20th century for a limited amount of time, does not mean something like red wine suddenly lost its religious significance in Christianity or Catholicism for a decade or so just because of some government-based legislation. A religion’s view of a substance is not necessarily, nor even expected to be conformally contingent with the legal system’s view of a substance (which can vary by nation anyways or even just jurisdiction). Surprised this is really something that needs to be pointed out. 2600:1700:BE70:D820:B8A8:B3DD:A41B:60D4 (talk) 23:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illicit Christian drug use 

message: It seems that the majority of the beginning of the section on Judaism has no citation.
Daniel Merkur's books cover drugs in judaism, such as 'The Psychedelic Sacrament'--92.236.35.88 (talk) 09:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs in Judaism 

message: I added a section to cover Wasson's theories about Buddhism from his book 'Persephone's Quest'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.35.88 (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasson's theory of the drug origins of Buddhism 

message: I've removed this speculation about "some psychoactive drug mixture, possibly including psilocybe or amanita muscaria mushrooms" inducing the Buddha's "enlightenment experience". The term "enlightenment experience" alone yet shows the editor's lack of understanding (see Robert Sharf, "the rhetorics of meditative experience"); to equate bodhi with psychedelic experiences is WP:FRINGE; it's addition here is WP:UNDUE and WP:POV. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an article by the same author on a reated topic. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:58, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasson is a respected academic writer, published by Yale university. Furthermore he is an ethnomycologist (not a botanist) which is defined as "the study of the historical uses and sociological impact of fungi" so it is relevant and applicable to this article about drugs (which includes some species of mushrooms)--92.236.35.88 (talk) 07:58, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiki guidelines say that "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources". Wasson's theories area significant viewpoint from a reliable source, so they deserve a mention in this article--92.236.35.88 (talk) 08:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they're not significant. The fact that this source is published by a reliable publisher, does not make this viewpoint in itself reliable. Read Bronkhorst's "The Two Traditions of Meditation in Ancient India", especially ch.8, or Winston King's "Theravada Meditation", if you really want to know something about the Buddha's enlightenment, what we can possibly know about it, and the means by which he "reached" his "enlightenment" (dhyana and mindfulness). Neither of them mentions mushrooms - as could be expected. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's another article in the same category. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic milk rice 

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message: The final paragraph of the "Christianity section goes as thus (footnotes removed):
"The Judeo-Christian Cannabis church Temple 420 believes; People who love God and know cannabis is good medicine. Christian cannabis asks cannabis could be used in beneficial ways to support their lives? The Renown Plantation teaches that is created "good" and known to be in the Holy Anointing oil."
A Google search of "Judeo-Christian Cannabis church Temple 420" turned up only the article of this talk page as a result, so I'm guessing that the paragraph is probably vandalism. Could anyone please tell me if I should delete this?--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:29, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this was resolved some time ago. Klbrain (talk) 13:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found what is probably vandalism