Talk:Socialist Party of Florida/Archive 2

message: Assuming it isn't a copyvio, the SPoF's platform probably doesn't belong in the article, and should be moved to Wikisource.
Since I wrote parts of it and it is not copyrighted you should have no worries. Also being an officer of the SPF placed it for all to read. (Comraderedoctober 21:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed "using the "state" defining section of the 1997 Constitution of Socialist Party USA" as irrelevant and changed "reactivated" to "refounded" because the SPF wasn't inactive before then, it was non-existent. Chegitz guevara 15:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Platform

message: I doubt the party was formed in 1910 after it was taken over by Schactmanites, since they wouldn't exist for another 30 years.
The SPF is the grandchild so to speak of the orginial Soc. title which here started more around 1908. The sad thing is most of history when it comes to socialism is attacked and deleted. Even my profile was deleted and I am an officer of the SPF trying to record our history here even as it evolves. When I am gone there will be no one here with the records in hand to place the truth for history. I am soon to fix this even without wikipedia's help since the socialist have continued to be not only attacked by the outside political parties but from in fighting tendencies. (Comraderedoctober 21:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed "using the "state" defining section of the 1997 Constitution of Socialist Party USA" as irrelevant and changed "reactivated" to "refounded" because the SPF wasn't inactive before then, it was non-existent. Chegitz guevara 15:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date

message: Is this an article about the Socialist Party of Florida, or an article by the Socialist Party of Florida?  I'm not so sure the platform should be in here; first, it makes this article nothing more than an electoral pamphlet, and second, there's really nothing else in the article.   --Deville (Talk) 02:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Not much in this article is Wikipedia-quality except the infobox and introductory section (which needs to be rephrased). The platform is only of passing interest; we want to know about the history and the current situation of the party in Florida, not what it says it would do in the unlikely event that it controlled the legislature and governor's mansion. (By the way, I'm a Socialist Party supporter!...) QuartierLatin1968  22:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I happen to be a noob when coming here. I do plan over the summer to get more involved as time allows. I started a project to record all I can on the Socialist Party USA or at least the SPF. A personal friend of mine  is and author who has written many history books so with some input and a direction I will place what I can here. I leave it up to comrades to make the writing up to specs and feel free to ask questions. (Comraderedoctober 10:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: The 2010 election is way too far off in the future to start listing candidates for it.  There's not really a clear line for deciding when listing such candidates becomes acceptable, but I think waiting until they start collecting ballot-access petition signatures is reasonable. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 14:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Florida a candidate can be listed for whatever election they file for and in fact several candidates are already listed for 2010. It does not require signatures to file paperwork with the state listing one's campaign. The direct route is to simply pay the ballot fee outright when the cost figure is made and deadline posted and met.Comraderedoctober 04:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In any event, no candidate for governor for 2010 has been listed by the Socialist Party of Florida. Chegitz guevara 17:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]

message: The Socialist Party of Florida has not voted to affiliate with the newly formed "Socialist Party of America" and remains the Florida affiliate of the Socialist Party USA One of the Socialist Party of Florida's officers who happens to control its website has undemocratically decided to modify the website to list it as a "Socialist Party of America" affiliate and then edited this Wikipedia entry to reflect this unauthorized change to the party's national affiliation. All of the changes recently made to this entry regarding its affiliation with the "Socialist Party of America" should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.93.4.113 (talk) 04:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialist Party of Florida is NOT Affiliated with the "Socialist Party of America" 

message: The National Committee of the Socialist Party of the United States voted to temporarily suspend the charter of the Socialist Party of Florida due to the lack of elected officers in Florida. The SPF has been directed to hold a convention and elect new officers. I have therefore removed the names of the officers from the article. Chegitz guevara 20:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party Officers Removed 

message: On Sat., June 9, a special convention was held in Tampa. All four officers now listed were elected unanimously. Also, the title of Vice-Chair was incorrectly listed as Co-Chair. That has been fixed. Chegitz guevara 06:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section about the officer election and document showing the suspension of the party have been removed as moot. Chegitz guevara 06:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Adam Padgett resigned as Chair. Will Kremmel was elected Chair on Aug 4 at the special Constitutional Convention. The position of Vice-Chair is currently open.Chegitz guevara 16:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added new Vice-Chair, Jim Sanders Chegitz guevara  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.122.160.254 (talk) 15:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party Officers Restored 

message: Because it contains a link to my home address. I am going to ask Wikipedia to lock this article, since Atlee Yarrow, aka Comraderedoctober, cannot seem to stop himself from posting my address here. Chegitz guevara 15:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of Party Removed 

message: The commentary added by Comraderedoctober about the "questionable" nature of the website was removed as irrelevant. Generally speaking, constitutions do not mention websites. Comraderedoctober would be hard pressed to find any U.S. government websites listed in the U.S. Constitution. The website was established by officers of the SPF. That makes it official. Chegitz guevara 14:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed commentary about status of website 

message: Using Comraderedoctober's measure of what makes something official or not, should we remove the listing for the 2006 candidate for governor, as Atlee Yarrow was not on the ballot, even as a possible write in candidate? I'm inclined to leave it, but as Comraderedoctober's a stickler for what the capitalist state thinks is legitimate and proper paperwork and all, we should remove it. I'll wait until others weigh in though. Chegitz guevara 15:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember seeing a legitimate campaign site at yarrowgovernor.org at the time, so even if he didn't get on the ballot, I'd be inclined to keep the listing in the article, so long as the SPFL did indeed endorse and support his candidacy. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 19:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the present time the SP-USA and SP-FL in conjunction with the National Committee are doing their best to rewrite or omit history and Atlee Yarrow is on top of the list to erase. Comraderedoctober 03:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You established the pattern. You are the one who continues to claim that only what is filed with the state is legitimate. Since you were not filed with the state as our gubernatorial candidate, by your own precedent and standards, you should not be listed. Or do your principles only apply when it is in your interests? If you stand by your actions, then you should remove that information. 67.191.87.181 15:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Candidate for Governor 

message: The address stated as being in Ft. Lauderdale is not correct with the State of Florida records or website. [User:Comraderedoctober|Comraderedoctober]] 08:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The SPF website matches what the Wiki entry shows. Chegitz guevara 03:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only since Marc Luzietti and Steve Sears changed it to read as such since  the domain is not owned by the SP-USA or SPF but a private person which is common knowledge and does not reflect official State of Florida record.
Comraderedoctober 16:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The State of Florida has updated its records to reflect the new address of the SPFL. Chegitz guevara 17:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party Address Is Incorrect 

message: Comraderedoctober deleted the discussion page, so I restored it from the archive. Chegitz guevara 03:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had actually created that archive because it had been deleted. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 12:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I figured and thank you for doing so. I expect more crap like this from Atlee until he is expelled. I think I shall dance when that happens. Chegitz guevara 18:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course it stands to reason that you'd do such a thing. After all, you cleared nearly all your posts on the SPF website. You also sent a secret email to the state officer in charge of party registration containing information that you knew could cost the party its ballot status. After that, there really isn't anything I'd put past you. Chegitz guevara 18:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion Restored 

message: I added a section on the current political activity of the party, cuz I thought the article was pretty empty, and it explains what the party does. I also added in where the party was active. Chegitz guevara 13:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed section to reflect new local. Chegitz (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Political Activity Section 

message: I made the section more accurate and removed unnecessary discussion of the history of the Socialist Party of America and Socialist Party of the United States Chegitz guevara 13:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reading a book called Subterranean Fire, by Sharon Smith (one of the leaders of the American International Socialist Organization). It has some interesting stuff about the early Socialist Party of America. For example, leaders and sections of the SPA in the South were segregationist and racist. Florida at the turn of the previous century was solidly Dixie, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that they supported white supremacy. I'll see what I can find. Chegitz guevara 01:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It occurs to me that as the party ran candidates as early as 1904, the date listed as being the founding date may be wrong. . . . http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/eam/spa/spa-conv08delegates.html lists a delegate (A.J. Pettigrew) representing Florida at the 1908 Convention of the Socialist Party of America. I will edit the article. Chegitz guevara 16:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/parties/spusa/1903/0718-spa-statesecreports.pdf There's a report printed in Appeal to Reason from various states. The founding of the party in Florida is listed. Chegitz guevara 16:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote Party History 

message: I rewrote the intro to make it more accurate to reflect the fact that the Socialist Party of Florida is not a separate party from the Socialist Party of the United States of America, but was the expression of the SP USA in Florida. Chegitz guevara 13:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote Intro 

message: I removed the "external link" to the Direct Action Tendency, because it was neither an external link nor did it have a destination that provided any information on the DAT. Chegitz guevara 14:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Direct Action Tendency Link 

message: I reordered the links to a more logical order, added links for the locals websites, and removed stuff that weren't links. I also removed the links to the various SPUSA tendencies, as none are active in the SPFL, and that's more information about the national party than the state party. Chegitz guevara 14:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Socialist Party of Florida has no official website. Chegitz (talk) 22:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Reiterating, the Socialist Party of Florida has no website. There is a website which illegally uses the name of the Socialist Party of Florida, but it has nothing to do with the Party. Chegitz (talk) 13:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.myspace.com/spflorida is the only officially recognized web presence the SPFL has, and it hasn't been updated in over a year. Chegitz (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote External Links 

message: I reordered some of the candidates, added new elections going back to 1904 and up to 1920. I also updated the links. We still need state legislative results. The 1908 article from the New York Times, states that one or two (I don't remember which) Socialists were elected to the legislature. I'd like to add ranking also, because it looks like in some races, the Socialists came in 2nd before the Republicans. Chegitz guevara 22:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to see if any library in your area has a copy of Party Affiliations in the State Legislatures: A Year by Year Summary, 1796-2006 by Michael J. Dubin ().  It was published this summer and Richard Winger wrote a glowing review in this month's Ballot Access News.  I'm not sure whether or not Dubin lists information on runners-up in elections, but his references might be useful when taking up that task. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 23:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I want to reorder the U.S. Representative section by year, rather than by district. Chegitz guevara 01:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote Candidates Section 

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