Talk:Hogan's Heroes

message: The first sentence of the Overview section states "...Colonel Robert Hogan and his staff of experts who are prisoners of war (POW) in 1942." I don't consider myself an expert on the show but in a conversation between Klink and Hogan in the final scene of Season 4, Episode 18 ("My Favorite Prisoner"), Klink references Hogan having been at the camp for 2 years. Also, Season 3, Episode 3 ("D-Day at Stalag 13") obviously must be taking place in June, 1944. So--what I am saying is that perhaps this sentence could be expanded to say that the show starts in 1942 but seems to move forward, at least at times, to other years during the war. Thanks. --Kent Sullivan (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry it took over a year for someone to fix that. But it's fixed now. Alden Loveshade (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in the world of the show -- Overview section 

message: I added a couple of elaborations in the brief explanations of Colonel Klink's and Sergeant Schultz's behaviors.  For example, I noted that Schultz's indifference toward the POWs' subversive activities is partly a product of his distaste for Nazism.  That is a very significant aspect of how the POWs' activities are not shut down.  BilCat undid my changes, claiming that what I wrote is "unsourced. OR - there's. too much of it already."  What I wrote is not repetitive, so there is not "too much of it already."  I am willing to add footnotes, as long as BilCat will not keep undoing my modest changes.  [User:50.96.25.170]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.96.25.170 (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You are adding opinion and commentary, which is considered original research on Wikipedia, of which there is too much in the article already. Additions need to be based on reliable, published sources, not based on you viewing of the program. If you don't cite your additions properly, they will be removed. By the way, one of Klink's classmates was a major, so it's incorrect to state they were all promoted to General. In addition, taking Schultz's comment on not taking sides as expressing his distaste for Nazism is a stretch, and certainly qualifies as "original research". BilCat (talk) 00:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply from 50.96.25.170:  Perhaps the "original research" already contained in the entry is "grandfathered in."  The statements that I am trying to replace are inaccurate.  The statement that says that Klink "is painfully unaware of Hogan's operation and believes the camp has a perfect escape record under his command" is not sourced and, in any event, could never be proved because it is supposedly based on what Klink "believes."  But Klink knows very well that acts of sabotage are happening all the time in and near Stalag 13, and Major Hochstetter accuses Colonel Hogan of sabotage in numerous episodes.  And that's not to mention the many Nazi visitors to the camp who, as they drive away in their staff cars, are mysteriously blown to bits (and Hogan occasionally suggests that Klink and Schultz hit the deck moments before the explosion occurs).  Also in numerous episodes, Klink points out that he is the last member of his class, among those who are still in the Luftwaffe, to have not been promoted to general.  It is not a stretch to "tak[e] Schultz's comment on not taking sides as expressing his distaste for Nazism":  For him to say that he doesn't want to take sides is a treasonous statement; furthermore, Corporal LeBeau identifies Schultz as a "democratic socialist."  I can offer citations for all of these observations, and will do so if I have reason to believe that you will forgo your opportunity to keep wiping out my edits unilaterally.  I am unclear about your status that makes your opinion about the content of the entry the final authority.  [User:50.96.25.170] 50.96.25.170 (talk) 00:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing makes makes my opinion the final authority, nor is yours. But you are required to site sources beyond the episodes themselves, not add your own commentary and opinion. I may restore an earlier version of the article, as a lot of information has been added recently that ought removed as original research. Further, many different of the episodes were contradictory, as you know if you've seen all the episodes. It was a comedy series, not history, and they weren't all that worried about accuracy, even internally. So we have to be careful about making all encompassing statements based on our own interpretation. BilCat (talk) 04:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing TV shows is always difficult because so many are not covered adequately in secondary sources (which are what Wikipedia is supposed to use). Just tracing a comment to an episode isn't enough; you'd need to find an article that goes into these things. And so far none of the removed additions have had any sourcing of this nature. BilCat is quite correct in their removal of much of this content. Intothatdarkness 13:40, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivations of Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz 

message: User:BilCat says: "there's absolutely nothing in the film's article about this influence" Thus 
User:BilCat is not familiar with or viewed both productions. I support including Before Winter Comes in See also .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You claimed there was an influence. Please cite a source for that. If there is a significant influence, it should already be mentioned in the film's article, which, again, has no mention of Hogan's Heroes, beyond the See also link you added there today. Whether or not I've seen either production is irrelevant, as Wikipedia cites reliable published sources, not personal analysis. BilCat (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Before Winter Comes]]''