Talk:White nationalism/Archive 3

message: " White nationalism is a political and social movement to advance the social and economic interests of white or Caucasian people.
White nationalists explicitly deny being racial supremacists, arguing that they merely wish for each group of people with shared heritage, including white people, to be allowed to promote and preserve its heritage, and do not desire to oppress or dominate other races as racial supremacists do. Critics argue that white nationalism intersects with, or is a euphemism for, white supremacy or white racism. "
The same could be said for any form of racial nationalism surely? I mean Black nationalists like the panthers or Islamic Nationalists such as the nation of islam are racist too.
:Yes, but the article is not saying that they are not racist - indeed, if you look up the word in an Oxford dictionary, you will see that the article is explicitly saying that they are - but rather pointing out the (alleged) distinction between "white nationalism" and "white supremacy" (in theory, the two are different types of racism, but the former is really just a cover used by the latter). elvenscout742 00:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: White Nationalism or White Supremacism

message: I want to know if there's any consensus on how to capitalize informal names for racial groups ("Black" and "White", primarily). I always capitalize them myself, but I've seen some inconsistency even within articles (see Black nationalism).
--Ryodox 02:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering myself. The Ungovernable Force 02:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalizing racial groups by colour? 

message: WN currently redirects to Southwest Airlines.  I think that people would be more likely to type in WN looking for White Nationalism than Southwest Airlines... thoughts? Drett 23:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acronymtastic 

message: There is a book by Dimopoulos on the ethnic origins of the Greeks, and no doubt he claims that Greek culture is superior. That does not make him a white nationalist, but a Greek nationalist. More specific info is needed to categorise him as a white nationalist.Paul111 12:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimopoulos and white nationalism 

message: I was rather surprised to see references to the guiding lights of White Nationalism removed from the White nationalist groups section of this, namely American Renaissance and the Council of Conservative Citizens. The reason given was “AmRen and CoCC talk about racial issues, but they don't call for specifically "white nationalism." Which is roughly the equivalent of saying that the Wall Street Journal talks about business but don’t call for improving the economy.  Amren and CCC talk about racial issues, at great length, because they take a separatist/WN position. Yakuman left in references to the neo-Nazi groups, so I can only surmises that in Yakuman’s opinion, if you’re not neo-Nazi, then you’re not WN. I am not sure where he came up with this definition, but it’s not the definition used on this page. 
The current definition used for this page: White nationalism is a variant of ethnic nationalism, advocating a racial definition (or redefinition) of the national group.
The old/former definition on this page: White nationalism is a political and social movement to advance the social and economic interests of white or Caucasian people.
Both Amren and the CCC meet either definition. It is their racial stands, specifically WN, which defines them, not any political stands separate and distinct from race. 
Amren:
From Jared Taylor, editor and founder of Amren: “I started American Renaissance 17 years ago in order to awaken whites to the crisis they face and to encourage them to unite in defending their legitimate interests as a race.” 
Quote taken from the CCC website “"When white people are asked to celebrate diversity they are being asked to celebrate their dwindling influence," he said. "We're supposed to believe that diversity is our strength, but diversity is clearly a weakness." Taylor talking about the 2006 American Renaissance Conference; titled “The White Man's Disease: The Fantasy of Egalitarianism.” Yes you can oppose diversity and not support WN, but lamenting the dwindling influence of white people is purely WN. 
Big meeting in Memphis, TN 
CCC:
 
from "A Statement of the Principles of the Council of Conservative Citizens" 
(2) We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people.
We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character.
We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime.
 
(European/Western here = white)
(8) Cultural, national, and racial integrity.
We support the cultural and national heritage of the United States and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as well as the expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and ethnic and regional identities of our people.  We oppose all efforts to discredit, "debunk," denigrate, ridicule, subvert, or express disrespect for that heritage.  We believe public monuments and symbols should reflect the real heritage of our people, and not a politically convenient, inaccurate, insulting, or fictitious heritage.
(Talking about Confederate heritage without actually naming it. Neo-confederate groups are by definition WN.)
Brimba 18:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American Renaissance and the Council of Conservative Citizens

message: I have submitted this article for a "Request for Mediation" on Wikipedia. Please go here, and sign the article right below my name, and next to the "Agree." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/White_Nationalism     Osmium14 16:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mediation is not appropriate for simple content disputes. I will rewrite the section, as indicated above.Paul111 18:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation

message: The comparison with mainstream nationalist beliefs is already noted, and the critcism is also noted in the Criticism section, so this paragraph had nothing to add. I don't think specific names were necessary here, and removing the paragraph also removes the last citation-needed tags, so on balance removal was better.Paul111 10:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atwater / Powell paragraph deleted