Talk:Ryo Kase

message: I was not familiar with this actor before randomly stumbling across the above move request (although I have seen most of his movies). User:JoshuSasori made a rather unfair personal attack against me in response to my posting my view regarding the need for reliable sources. He/she additionally made the claim that Mr. Kase was born in the United States and implied that English is his first language. I took this as fact, but then when examining the history of the page I noticed that User:DAJF had removed a somewhat poorly written but otherwise inoffensive paragraph about Mr. Kase's early life.
I draw attention to the users involved, because they seem to have a particular set of ideas about this actor and his career that they are trying to force on this article, and are turning Wikipedia policy on its head in the process.
Biographies of living people need reliable sources for statements that may be remotely contentious. This is absolutely true, and I do not mind this policy being quoted. However, in this context it seems that an easily verifiable statement (that Mr. Hase was born in Yokohama, Japan) was removed, without any explanation as to how it is controversial. I have reinstated the statement, and added an obvious source ("Ryo Kase" "born in Yokohama" on Google brought up a bunch of them, another being ). This statement is not contentious, so it seems inappropriate to remove it without giving a reason.
:It was removed as unsourced bio. If you look through DAJF's edit history you will find that he/she does a fair amount of work at removing unsourced materials from biographies of living people. This was just one more of the same and not part of any grand conspiracy. You keep talking about wikipedia policy, surely you know that unsourced information in biographies of living people should be removed. Then you go on to say that, then you ask why it was removed. Stars are quite literally flying around my head as I try to get to grips with all of your various statements. It's true that I said he was born in the USA, that was a mistake; it seems he moved there just after he was born. However the birthplace is hardly as relevant as the fact that he lived in the USA for a large chunk of his childhood, and is a native speaker of English, hence he is hardly likely to have entrusted the spelling of his name to a translation company. JoshuSasori (talk) 06:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Potentially contentious unsourced material in biographies of living people should be removed. I quote Contentious [my emphasis] material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. The material was not contentious, and therefore did not need to be removed. One example of unsourced material within the article right now is his date of birth -- should this be removed immediately? Or would it be better to leave it there until another source that contradicts it shows up? Is Mr. Kase likely to sue the Wikimedia Foundation if this information is incorrect? I apologize for not checking DAJF's edit history -- my only interaction with said user as far as I can remember has been on this talk page. Most Japanese people don't seem to care either way whether their name has a macron or doesn't, and probably wouldn't mind if a journalist, translator or anyone else decided to macronize or not for themselves. I have yet to see any evidence that Kase is any different, but for the reason that I don't care enough to keep arguing and it seems Kase doesn't actively campaign to have his name macronized I have stopped arguing this point. elvenscout742 (talk) 08:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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