Talk:Danzan-ryū

message: A quick linguistic note: The character 檀 actually means sandalwood, not cedar.  檀山 (Pinyin: tánshān) actually means Honolulu, not Hawaii (夏威夷, Pinyin: xiàwēiyí).  In modern Chinese, it is more commonly written "檀香山" (Pinyin: tánxiāng shān).  However, 檀山 is still used.
A-cai 06:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed definition to Honolulu 

message: I believe Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is more popular in the United States than Danzan Ryu. A quick google search shows 1,050,000 hits for BJJ and 30,800 for DR. Amazon.com shows 32 books for BJJ and nothing for DR. Since there is no conclusive proof either way, I am removing that phrase from this article and not inserting it into BJJ article. - Jimmy C. 22:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJJ More Popular Than Danzan Ryu? 

message: Master Okazaki was one of the few Asian martial arts masters who converted from Buddhism and Shinto to Christianity. This is well documented. The first person to state this on multiple occasions was Prof. Bud Estes, a founder of the AJJF. Hachiro Okazaki told the Okazaki Biographical Reasearch Team in 1978 and it is on tape and in their notes. Esther Takamoto, Okazaki's daughter, also verified it. In fact she testified that every Sunday, Okazaki would tuck his Bible under his arm and walk to church. This is also on tape and in the official notes.
Prof. Estes in his private teaching of the "Okugi" with Prof. Edwards was explicit that these "arts" are from Christ and the Holy Bible. One of the first assignments Prof. Estes gave to Prof. Edwards and Prof. Ball was to read the book of Matthew in the Holy Bible, underline the miracles, and be prepared to discuss them at the next meeting.
A simple note about Okazaki's christianity would be fine here, but this article should focus more on the style. More in depth information on Okazaki's beliefs should go under his biographical article
User5802 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian JuJitsu 

message: I have studied for 14 years in several schools of jujitsu which trace their lineage to Okazaki and the history I was taught was that he was briefly arrested and released.  Okazaki had friends in high places--he was one of Roosevelt's favored physical therapists and was assisting some of his students in developing a hand-to-hand combat curriculum for the Army  that eventually became Field manual FM-21-150.  "Internment" is not consistent with the fact that the Evacuation Order (Executive Order 9066), eventually applied to about 1/3 of the continental US (by population) was never applied to Hawaii.  As far as detention of any length, it looks like we have statements of his senior students saying he was taken in for questioning but never arrested and a Freedom of Information Act request showing no record of his detention vs. the recollection of his daughter Imi that she visited him "at least twice" in prison.  Someone needs to research this question and find a most likely answer as to whether or not he was detained and if for how long.  He was certainly not "interned" in the normal sense of being one of the classes subject to the evacuation order, being a minor child of someone subject to the evacuation order, or voluntarily accompanying relatives subject to the evacuation order.  12.10.223.247 02:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internment? 

message: Jujitsu America is one of the largest organizations for Danzan-ryu Jujitsu in the United States. Currently the administrators of Wikipedia are not allowing a link www.jujitsuamerica.org to be posted under this articles external links. In contrast, The International Judo Federation freely has an external link under Wikipedia's judo article judo. The explanations I have gotten from the members at Wikipedia, and it's Martial Arts Committee are:
1.) Danzan-ryu is a person not a style of Martial Art!
2.) Jujitsu America has nothing to do with Danzan-ryu.
3.) The Jujitsu America website was solely created to make money.
4.) Jujitsu America is trying to promote itself by having a link in Wikipedia.
Please respond to this posting and help allow external links to major Danzan-ryu organizations to be posted within this article.User5802 00:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue has been resolved. Jujitsu America may now have an external link in the article danzan-ryuUser5802 02:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jujitsu America 

message: Which one is it?
For Yoshimatsu see here.
For Kichimatsu see here or HERE
For BOTH! (and an improper spelling) see here. User5802 01:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoshimatsu or Kichimatsu? 

message: For a discussion on Okazaki's age see Talk:Seishiro_Okazaki. User5802 01:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okazaki's age 

message: Perhaps this be reduced, or certain associations should be removed. Any other thoughts? User5802 (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The schools and associations list seems to be getting quite large. 

message: Can we work towards this standardization? 
"Jitsu" has a different meaning in Japanese.
198.212.208.14 (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ju-Jutsu not Ju-Jitsu 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: One source, at least, casts doubt on Bud Estes’ account of his work with the FBI: Bob McKean’s “The Life of Professor Francis Merlin (“Bud”) Estes.” Is this an outlier? Discredited? In any event, McKean’s criticism highlights the need for a citation at the end of the first paragraph. Jdickinson (talk) 06:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II and later: Bud Estes