Talk:Stingray/Archive 1

message: Can anybody answer this for me? According to reports, Steve Irwin took out the barb that was in his chest. I would like to know whether a) the stingray dies after losing its barb (indeed no report is known of whether the stingray survived or if it was killed after killing Steve) like a bee dying after stinging a person b) if no, can a stingray grow another barb? Thank you.
I think they live without their barb..not sure if it grows back. Xunflash 14:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question About The Barb

message: What do stingrays eat? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.186.221.53 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 22 August 2006  (UTC)
well I believe manta rays scoop up plankton through their huge mouths but that's about all I know... Robin Chen 00:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  food? 

message: From a newspaper story: 
Marine documentary maker Ben Cropp, who was also diving on the Great Barrier Reef yesterday, said the injury was inflicted by a bull ray. "In this case he was swimming alongside a bull ray, a big black ray" (...) "It baulked but didn't spook and go racing away, which would have been fine. It went into a defensive mode, stopped, turned around and lashed out with its tail, which has a considerable spike on it.
Could it be a Thorntail stingray, Dasyatis thetidis? We will soon find out: "Irwin's fatal encounter with the stingray is understood to have been captured on film. "Emmanuelm 17:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Species that killed Irwin?

message: I think it would be good for the article to include a close-up image of the stingray's stinger, especially since somone famous was killed by it. I can't find any images that wouldn't be deleted on Wikipedia though, anyone else have better luck? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Planetary (talk • contribs) 03:23, 4 September 2006  (UTC)
:Nevermind, there's a good one up now.--Planetary 17:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, it's gone.--Planetary 19:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed - After all, this is an article about a STINGray, a close up of a sting is sorely needed! --Thenickdude 08:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of stinger? 

message: here is a link to an image of a stingrays barb. I have found many pictures of these showing the difference in size they can grow to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray
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If preventing the above happening is punitive than I am reading it wrong. I call it POV pushing myself. Ansell 06:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you've heard of edit conflicts. Also, Rory is not an admin, his revert was likely based on .js. – Chacor 07:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see WP:CIV. This section violates Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked. – Chacor 07:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is pointing out the serial reverters against the civility policy? Should I make it a subpage of my own.Ansell 07:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A derivative of the section "# Calling for bans or blocks". – Chacor 07:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not calling for blocks or bans on anyone. WP:3RR states that you cannot revert more than 3 times in 24 hours. IMO I am doing them a favour by making it known. If someone reported them, quite validly in some cases, then they would not fall under that section. Keep in mind that I am doing this in good faith that people will stop edit warring on both sides and figure out their differences on here. Ansell 07:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This section doesn't belong to this article's talk page. However, you should report these warnings to WP:AN/3RR in the future. -- ADNghiem501 08:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I thought this was more constructive, but I was wrong. I do not want bans or blocks because of this. :( Ansell 08:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Would anyone object if I removed this section? It seems very pointless now! :( Ansell 09:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warnings in line 

message: ... to the stingray, it can wait until some one can add it in a well written, clearly contextualised paragraph, that doesn't look like some one got excited and tacked it on to the article. - BalthCat 07:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, though I do think the prevalence of stingray fatalities may be worth mentioning, and in that context mentioning any famous fatalities would make sense. Is it a one-person-every-10-years things or what? --Delirium 07:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A cursory search turns up rather little, though  seems to indicate that there's 1-2 deaths per year from it in Colombia. I'm going to keep looking. --Xanzzibar 08:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone should write something because even someone very experienced with animals had suffered such a fate. -Iopq 08:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently there are only three recorded deaths in Australia resulting from a stingray's barb (including Irwin's). More info at . Due to its rarity (given that stingrays are not normally aggressive creatures) mention of the common features and dates of this small number of cases would add value to the article.Bezapt 13:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If it is so important... 

message: Jeez. – Chacor 07:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've hit the nail on the head. Personally I think it is worth mentioning, but it's no big deal if it is not mentioned. Pobbie Rarr 22:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeez. [[WP:LAME]]. 

message: Are there really places you can go to touch stingrays? Given the dangers of the sting, this seems surprising. Have the stingrays in these places been treated in some way to make them safe? -- The Anome
:I couldn't give you the specifics, but I remember visiting, back in the day, the Camden Aquarium (or the NJ State Aquarium, or the Adventure Aquarium, or whatever else they feel like calling themselves at the moment. They had a petting tank with sharks and stingrays. It's not a particularly in-depth link about it, but here's a link all the same:  --Xanzzibar 09:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been to a place called Touch the Sea near Nelson, NZ where you could touch Sharks, eels, stingrays and fish. On tv a marine person said this was the third stingray death she knew of in Aussie. Fra 011 011 09:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was earlier this year. Fra 011 011 09:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are touch pools at SeaWorld San Diego with stingrays whose stingers have been removed. --Fsotrain09 17:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There are places in the Caribbean where you can put on a swimsuit and a snorkel and jump into a shallow bay area to swim with, pet, and feed sting rays, under the supervision of an expert or three. I've been there, it's quite fun. The sting rays there have become used to human interaction. Robin Chen 00:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petting zoo? 

message: I know this maybe against wikipedia's original research policy, but in light of the recent events I thought I'd add some information about stingrays and let you decide.
Let me preface what I am about to say with this: I have spent entire life (35 years) playing and fishing in the saltwater lagoons on Florida's east I born and raised on a house with a bedroom not 20 feet from an isolated stretch of lagoon marsh. I believe my lifelong fishing activities in these lagoons have provided me more than passing familiarity with stingrays.
Stingrays are very common in Florida's saltwater lagoons. They enjoy burying themselves in the silt and mud of the shallows, and sit for hours on end buried underneath a layer of camouflage.
On any given day near the shoreline leading to my home, anyone can walk 50' through knee deep water and be guaranteed to see at least one stingray. It doesn't take much of a trained eye to spot a buried stingray. When you are within 6-8 feet of a ray, you can usually make out a hump, two eyes, and a tail when looking carefully as wade through the water.
A stingray's behavior in shallow lagoons is to find a shallow sandy area, and rest on the bottom. As they come to rest they use their wings to kick up the silty bottom, covering their bodies with a layer of camouflage. In these lagoons, the chances are the 19/20 times you encounter a stingray; he is hiding under the silty dirt. 
This is a stingray's prime "ready to be stepped on" position. If you are unlucky enough not to see the ray, and not shuffling your feet, there good chance you may step right on the ray. When this happens, the ray's stinger raises straight up perpendicular to his body, and he will flail his tail about. If you are really unlucky, you might step right onto his barb, sending it straight into your foot. A stingray's stinging barb is razor sharp with a double sided serrated edge, and it's poisonous to boot.
When wading, if you happen to see a ray, it would be wise to walk around it. On the other hand, if you are planning to be active/fishing in the area, you should chase the ray off. Keep this in mind though, when buried, a stingray will not swim away from you if you merely get close. They won't move away you unless you poke or disturb them. Because of this, and the fact that you may not see a stingray, it's a very good idea to shuffle your feet when walking in marshy water. This means kicking your feet, as opposed to stepping down.
In these shallow lagoons, stingrays are neither curious nor active. They sit around idly or swim around trying to find a good place to bury themselves. Stingrays do not chase other fish, and will not bite at fishing hooks with baits or lures. They feed on small crabs, worms, and other small creatures they uncover from the silty lagoon bed. Sysrpl 11:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clairfication 

message: Perhaps the Admins should do this, there seems to be as much vandalism as there was on the Steve Irwin article starting to appear.Bisected8 12:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's linked from the main page, and the admins' views tend to be that articles linked from the main page are not protected, even if they are heavily vandalised.--Konstable 12:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Irwin article was also linked to the main page, and that was blockedBisected8 12:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Block new/unregistered users? 

message: I've temporarily sprotected this article: there appears to be a concerted and unproductive revert-war going on, from a variety of IP addresses. This is occuring at the same time as concerted vandalism to the Steve Irwin article. Please feel free to unprotect at your discretion. -- The Anome 12:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you check the history of this page, this rarely edited/viewed page had a massive increase in edits since that unfortunate incident, it's beter if this page was protected to prevent further vandalism for a few more days LG-犬夜叉 17:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks The Anome. I did one rev. edit of a total deletion and while I was doing it a host of edits happened the space of seconds. So, I have just made my views  known via the discussion pages in hopes that the Admins would make the right call. Thank you for being vigilant in regards to this matter.  It would be most unfortunate for young minds to come upon these pages in the state of vadalism.LogicUser 18:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks The Anome. I did one rev. edit of a total deletion and while I was doing it a host of edits happened the space of seconds. So, I have just made my views  known via the discussion pages in hopes that the Admins would make the right call. Thank you for being vigilant in regards to this matter.  It would be most unfortunate for young minds to come upon these pages in the state of vadalism.LogicUser 18:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprotecting again 

message: Okay, so since my edit got reverted, could somebody please tell me why stingray is plural in the infobox?  Other articles I've checked have singular animal names in the infobox.  J Ditalk 17:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a family of animals. See for instance Mammal or Chordate. RexNL 17:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay.  J Ditalk 17:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stingrays in the infobox 

message: I've sprotected the article again - seemed to be a lot of vandalism (e.g. old-days GWB style). Bastard animals. The Land 17:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprotected 

message: You are missing the point though. It should be included as he is an actor in a major drama that has been running for 20 years. It is not some privately owned boat etc. If the encyclopedia is detailed enough to include a page about Scott Timmins then he should get a mention on the stingray page Dean randall 19:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree it is nothing to do with the animal. Could be put on the disambiguation page though. --Alex (talk here) 19:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Clearly ludicrous to include a Neighbours character as "trivia" in a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not..., oh, blimey, anything that would do so. Desmond Tutu was mentioned in an episode of Friends. That doesn't make Friends a trivia item on Desmond Tutu or Desmond Tutu a trivia item on Friends. A little perspective here would be opportune. ➨ ЯEDVERS 21:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: How do they use their tail to sting? Do they bring it up over their head like a scorpion? Or underneith? Or sideways?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.49.196.155 (talk • contribs) 20:36, September 4, 2006 (UTC).
:The stinger is at the base of the tail and instictively raises straight up, perpendiclar to the body, when they ray is threatened. Threats include being stepped on, and coming down on a ray from above. This is why you should approach them from the side or underneath, but never the top. Sysrpl 05:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please add a note of doubt or a source on the statement that the stinger reacts mechanically. The first meaning of mechanical (as in involving mechanical parts - no muscle intervention) is contradicted by this article: (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20361931-2702,00.html).  The child that died could have not stepped on the animal.  A second meaning ("without brain intervention") needs sourcing or clarification.  (68.23.115.22 01:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sting Mechanics?

message: It mentions the death without making it a major focus of the article. Nicely done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wge (talk • contribs) 17:00, 4 September 2006  (UTC)
:I agree.  I had been initially opposed to mentioning Steve Irwin, but the way it was put in the article works really well. --Vter4life 20:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too. -- ReyBrujo 20:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Me too. Looking good.--Planetary 22:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too.--Moonlight Mile 00:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great! Shazbot85Talk 02:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree -- w00t!?! intelligent inclusionism FTW!!!216.9.250.6 07:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I can agree to this current revision with the mention being secondary to the lethality of the sting.  ju66l3r 18:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: i do not agree with this current version.The 89 guy 17:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: this talk page is not protected. pschemp | talk 02:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The newest revision is good. 

message: If I understand correctly, not all Rays are Stingrays.  The "Viewing" section in particular seems to present some confusion between the two.  Do these "touch tanks" actually have stingrays with barbs, poison, etc., or are they just various "safe" species of ray?  Can anyone clear this up?  Ruyn 12:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On further reading, I see that some other non-Dasyatidae rays also have stingers (though not all), which helps confuse matters.  Dasyatidae redirects to Stingray, so the article seems like it should be limited to that scope, so I ask again, can we clarify what types of rays are referred to, and which article(s) the information belongs in? Ruyn 13:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rays vs. Stingrays

message: Does "Stingrays are a large part of the Melbourne Aquarium" sound a bit wrong to anyone else? Could this be improved somehow? Tug201 15:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melbourne Aquarium image caption 

message: Also, since "Dasyatids generally do not attack aggressively, or even actively defend themselves" could we change the title of this section to something less misleading such as Stinging reflex?
Tug201 16:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aggression 

message: Of course it is sad that Steve Irwin died. But why mention his name at all in the main article? It is supposed to be an article about stingrays. There is even a warning at the top of this talk page to not leave tributes to him, further suggesting that Steve Irwin is unrelated to the topic of stingrays. It does not make sense to me that his name should be in the article whatsoever, desipite being a rare occurance. - Abscissa 16:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, removed. --Alex (talk here) 16:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: A concensus may have to reached on it... :( --Alex (talk here) 16:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Consensus was reached. See #The newest revision is good., where several editors agreed that this revision, with the brief mentioning, was good enough, similar to Cerebral edema mentioning Bruce Lee briefly. I suggest restoring to that mentioning. -- ReyBrujo 17:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes. Note that I was against mentioning it at first (reverted back mention since I thought it was not worth), but then accepted it. The current wording is pretty much how it should be handled in this article. -- ReyBrujo 20:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why mention Steve Irwin at all in the main article? 

message: hello everyone,
please add the interwiki to the hebrew wikipedia - :he:טריגוניים. thanks. 88.152.202.166 19:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No trouble. Jefffire 19:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki 

message: The number of places (aquariums and zoos) where stingrays may be viewed and/or handled is extensive, and it seems that editors keep adding more and more of them.  Can we just remove all the specific places and just say something like "many aquariums and zoos around the world"?  Badagnani 23:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  The handful of places where it's common to swim with them in the wild are worth mentioning, but since so many zoos and aquariums let you handle them it doesn't really seem worth compiling a list.  --Delirium 02:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Viewing" section 

message: As a doctor in a beachside town in Australia for seven years (my house was also on the beachfront) I treated many stingray stings. The pain is excruciating; one young Chilean tourist begged me to cut his leg off! Wounds are commonest round the ankle. The tip of the bard often breaks off in the wound but not always. The ray grows another when it loses a barb. I developed the following protocol which was highly effective. Immediate treatment consisted of lying the patient down and applying a compress of very hot water; this was while I was drawing up about 2cc of lignocaine with adrenalin. This would then be injected in and around the wound. Within seconds the patient is completely relieved of pain. I would then also give 50 - 100mg pethidine IM for longer term pain relief, as the local wears off in about an hour! Then I would explore the wound to see if there was any foreign body / barb. The barb material is quite crumbly, almost crystalline, and similar to but tougher than a sea urchin spine. This necessitates great care when handling the piece with forceps, otherwise it will break into several smaller fragments. Luckily it is darker than human tissue. Once the fragments have been removed I stitch if confident of total clearing of foreign bodies or allow to heal by second intention. I dress with magnesium sulphate in the latter case. All cases get five days of oral cephalexin, as infections are almost inevitable otherwise given the nature of the wound and the site of injury. Sequelae are rare; usually everything heals up fine. I have recevied many gifts from grateful patients! While it is very rare for the barb to penetrate a vital organ, where it penetrates the heart death is usually very quick, due to the heart muscle going into immediate fibrillation or failing due to myocardial anoxia secondary to blood loss; or the blood's leaking rapidly into the pericardium causing a death by cardiac tamponade or by indirect brain anoxia. Lgh 05:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stingray treatment 

message: is this article protected? If so should there be a notice. Also I think this page can do with some archiving. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.152.239.63 (talk • contribs) .
:Yes, it is still protected. I will add the template. As for the archiving, it is hard because most topics in this talk page are still actively used. -- ReyBrujo 18:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: Now I'm noticing there's a lot of red links in the article. Should those even be there if no one's going to create articles for them? Indiawilliams 15:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No; see Wikipedia:Red link. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Red Links 

message: i didn't know where to post this, but steve irwin didn't actually die from a fatal sting, it was more the fact it penetrated his heart. like an arrow or something. the venom in the sting didn't cause it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.11.144.55 (talk • contribs) .
:Understood, but fatal sting does not imply he died from the venom; rather he died as a direct result of being stung. While it might be confusing to some; the details can be found in the Irwin article. - RoyBoy 800 01:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fatal sting

message: Judging by the number of revertings in the edit history for today (Sept. 18th) there's a lot of vandals on this page yet. Do you think I should put it under semiprotection? 204.185.36.198 17:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is me BTW (forgot to log in). Also, I created an archive for this page. Indiawilliams 17:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed the template. You need to protect the article manually, and only administrators can do that. In other words, adding the template alone does not protect the article. You can request it to be protected here. -- ReyBrujo 22:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Well I'll get right on that. Thanks for the heads-up. Indiawilliams 00:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, how did u post on September 19? I'm only on the 18th! Anyway, I'm a new user but I'll get on that too. --DrZeus 01:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's another nice one removed:" Stingrays now commonly referred to as the 'hated ones' are known world-wide as the killer of the Crocodile Hunter (the 'loved one')."  At least it's calming down.==Justfred 03:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection Again? 

message: Can anyone post a picture of a barb or stinger, and give its measurements?  I truly don't understand how big the thing is that killed Irwin, or what it looks like.Nospamtodd 12:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know details, but generally the stinger looks like a very long, thin serrated knife.  Would guess that in Irwin's case it would have been at least a foot long or so, maybe half an inch wide; don't know how much of that actually would have entered his body, perhaps less than 4" or so.--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's one I took. I added it to the article some time ago, thinking that a mediocre image of a stinger is better than none. But someone else did not like it and removed it. If enough users want it I'll be happy to add it again. Janderk 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Nothing actually gets "ejected".  The barb is brittle, and can break off; as I read it, on the Florida incident it actually broke apart after entering the victim's body.  If you take a close look at the picture, the barb is above and parallel to the tail.--Justfred 03:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of barb?

message: They are so much vandalism and whole page is getting deleted by ip. Can this article be protected?. --SkyWalker 11:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go make a request at WP:RFPP. ViridaeTalk 11:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be protected. 

message: "Stingrays were originally a larger, thicker species but over time become flattened by the pressure of the sea as they lived in the mirky depths of the ocean." - They became flattened by the pressure of the sea? In water, this pressure would be equal from all sides, not only from top/bottom. Also, it would imply that all deep sea fish would have to be flat, which is clearly not the case. 192.35.17.10 15:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flattening 

message: "A couple of years ago, a 35-year-old Australian bloke on holidays in Fiji was stung in the chest as he swam over a large stingray; the barb punctured his heart and he died a day later as a result of his injuries." 
Wow, how often does this happen?? 
- Robin Chen 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have three cited instances of fatal or near fatal attacks by stingrays on humans by stabbing them in the heart.  I believe that's notable enough to be mentioned in the article. Cla68 07:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I have included an article about four chest wounds due to sting rays, as well as other possible injuries due to stingrays. Robin Chen 20:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice to have a bigger picture, like some statistics on how frequent fatalities are. --Delirium 17:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: and ANOTHER heart wound

message: I felt that there were perhaps to many pictures in this article. Lets try to show only the stuff thats really informative--Albert Kok 18:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi there 

message: Can anybody answer this for me? According to reports, Steve Irwin took out the barb that was in his chest. I would like to know whether a) the stingray dies after losing its barb (indeed no report is known of whether the stingray survived or if it was killed after killing Steve) like a bee dying after stinging a person b) if no, can a stingray grow another barb? Thank you.
I think they live without their barb..not sure if it grows back. Xunflash 14:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question About The Barb

message: WHy does this article say its speculated Steve bled from heart wound into abdominal cavity?  Was the diaphragm transected, or is someone's anatomy not so hot? 65.185.93.86 (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bled from heart into abdominal cavity?

message: WHILE WALKING ALONG THE GULF, MY DAUGHTER SAW A GROUP OF 8 OR SO SMALL STINGRAYS.  IS IT CHARACTERISTIC FOR A LITTER TO STAY TOGETHER AFTER BIRTH AND FOR HOW LONG?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.16.2 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 4 June 2007
:Please, STOP SHOUTING! —QuicksilverT @ 19:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A litter of stingrays 

message: It would appear we don't have anThe  article about the ray that was involved in the unusual death off the coast of Florida   - I think it is Leopard whipray - not sure seems to be Spotted eagle ray - but not appearing on this article although the news reports at this stage are describing it as  a "stingray" --Matilda talk 23:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stingray death - [[Spotted eagle ray]] ? 

message: The article mentions severed arteries as an effect of being stabbed as a stingray. I would imagine that this is implicit as part of the injuries of a stab wound, such as broken skin, broken tissue, severed veins, etc. Should it be removed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommylommykins (talk • contribs) 00:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severed artieries as an effect of stinging. 

message: I have been reading the forums for Cancun, there have been several references to the stingrays there. They have been described as being aprox. 1 foot long and somewhat aggresive. According to Wiki. they are dosile creatures... are these reports from Cancun an overreation or is there a type of stingray present that necessitates more caution? Looking for advice and information as to the type of stingrays these are.     Thanks!
--75.120.187.225 (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancun Stingrays 

message: I understand that there has been vandalism om this page, but as it stands now, basic information about notable stingray anatomy is clearly missing. 
I.e. nowhere does it say that stingrays have stingers? Or what a "stinger" is (but a link to stinger will solve that). It does talk about stinger injuries though.
If you live in a part of the world where stingrays are common, then you might think this is common knowledge, but an article about stingrays *really* needs to mention that stingrays has stingers, how many they have, and where they are located! How about what size they have? I generally think about bees when "stinger" is mentioned, but from this talk page discussion about heart injuries, I guess this is a different scale.
It's my general impression that a stingray has two stingers on the tail, but no idea if this always applies.
Do stingray generally have venom stingers? The article mention something about treatment of wounds for venom, but no general information about this.
Sorry to boast my ignorance, but stingrays are not found in my part of the world. 62.107.175.181 (talk) 06:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now added a bit of basic info on their stingers to the intro of the article. 212.10.76.197 (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual information about anatomy needed 

message: The Superorder for the Stingray is missing. It should be listed as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batoidea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.197.86 (talk) 04:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superorder MIssing 

message: I don't say write a huge essay in every detail, do I? But as the situation is now, Irwin is completely left unmentioned in the whole article. I agree it ought to be as terse as possible, but please DO mention him, if only just once. Here's a good example how to do it (you deleters you!!) linky Ah yes, and the always-too-eager deleters may even explain to us WHY this information is unsourced. I think it was covered by worldwide media and I wouldn't speak of "unsourced." (Not anymore, at least) -andy 217.50.60.151 (talk) 01:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Irwin should at least be MENTIONED here. 

message: sting ray injury can result in infection from bacteria //and fungi//..The reference sis already given on the stingray injury section....
Ukunda (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: I assume you're referring to the reference on the Stingray injury article. The reference provided on that article is merely a description of a specific species of fungus and does not explicitly state that it is associated with stingray injury. If you can provide a reference that explicitly states that stingray injury can result in fungal infection I might be willing to add it to this article. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Done in light of your comment on my talk page. Thank you for helping to improve Wikipedia! —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 18 October 2012 

message: I removed it from the lead, as this is a recent event and the event was undated. "Recently, hundreds of stingrays were found dead on a beach in Mexico http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/hundreds-of-stingrays-found-dead-on-mexican-beach/"
I'm rather dubious that it even belongs in the article unless later events, such as the results of a government investigation make the event especially noteworthy, as they stingrays could have been discarded by fishermen or they could have died off in an algal bloom. Hence, I suggest we hold off on addition and only consider it if subsequent developments make it noteworthy enough for inclusion. Thoughts?Wzrd1 (talk) 15:54, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit about mass of beached stingrays in Mexico 

message: I feel like there should be more information on the behavior/diet of stingrays, such as when they feed, etc.
LightAtTheEndOfTheTunnel (talk) 22:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: More Information Needed

message: The article says that stingers get up to 35 cm long, but I don't see anything about the overall size of sting rays (would be good to put in the article).  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  size? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This critique is in response to the types of references and associated information seen in this article.  In the section that introduces stingray reproduction, the term “valve” is not the most appropriate term and misleading. A more appropriate term that can be easily “linked” to this article would be cloaca, which is an opening in the posterior end of vertebrate bodies including fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and monotreme mammals. This is a common opening where excretory and reproductive processes take place in these groups. Source number 11 for this information should not be used on this page because it links to a discussion group about aquariums, fish keeping, and advertisements for fish food and equipment.  The same critique could be said about source numbers 9 and 21, which are direct link to a discussion board for the spearfishing and SCUBA communities. Source number 25 is a direct advertisement for stingray tours in the Cayman Islands and is inappropriate for this article. Having a section on ecotourism seems appropriate, however, the sources that are associated with this section need deleting because they are tied to resort sites and tourist reservation sites. If it was possible to find articles that show how ecotourism has positively or negatively impacted stingray behavior or population density, that would be much more appropriate for this section.  Also, your information and associated source 14 need re-evaluating because the linked page has been deleted, so there needs to be a reliable source. 
     Other points of interest are the several cases of bias and neutrality issues seen in this article.  I would direct attention to the last paragraph in the “Other uses” section. I personally would delete the entire section because to say that stingray behaviors are “calm and friendly” is not scientifically appropriate. Then this paragraph continues into a “sales-pitch” for Sea World, which is not appropriate for supporting information and sources for a wikipedia article in biology.  If you any information regarding stingray research in collaboration with Sea World has been published, that could potentially be more appropriate. On that same topic, I would not include any other “sales-pitch” information from Caribbean resorts seen in the “Ecotourism” on an article like this. Overall, this article has the beginning backbones for a “home-base” on stingray biology that can be linked to the various groups of stingrays, stingray anatomy, as well as other fish groups, but it needs some reanalyzing with more appropriate sources. 
--Kvkaplan (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sources and Information 

message: How do stingrays reproduce? Isn't that vital information that should be included on the page?
Robin Chen 02:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Like other rays, dasyatids are viviparous, bearing live young in "litters" of five to ten."  Or did you mean, how do they mate?--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, sorry about the confusion. - Robin Chen 05:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely it's similar to sharks  but even that isn't well-documented here.  I believe they have claspers, that's also how to tell male vs female, but I don't really know enough to add it to the article.  Maybe you could look for references, research it?--Justfred 15:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I did not REmove it, I moved it to the reproduction section, it's still there if I remember correctly.--Robin Chen 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep.  Never mind, must have been two separate edits, only saw the last.--Justfred 21:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: reproduction

message: Wouldn't it be worth mentioning in the "Behavior" section the cownose rays' migration? I think they migrate in the Gulf of Mexico in fevers reaching up to 10,000 rays, but I couldn't find any reliable source to back this information up. Still, if anyone has sources which confirm this statement, please say something. Paulouro (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Migration to "Behavior" 

message: The image of a stingray skeleton messed up how the page renders in Safari on iOS ---- DemonDays64 (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skeleton broken on mobile