Talk:History of Russian military ranks

message: :* I've started a rewrite. Any thoughts on organizing the ranks in the best possible way are welcome. DmitryKo 08:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I didn't even know that such a formation exists. I'd like to hear anything about this. --212.45.8.211 22:06, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Space Troop is an indepedent core of Russian armed forces whose main duty is security of Russia in space. Which incudes informing the military and goverment of a missile attack, missile difense of Moscow, deployment and control of military satelites. --DimaY2K 10:09, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Military Space Forces (Space Troops) is a combination of National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office and NASA. I personally find it weird that Rosaviakosmos was recently subordinated to the military. DmitryKo 14:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are Space Troops? 

message: Lieutenant, Capitan, Major and... Polkovnik? Why not Colonel? --GS 17:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Russian equivalents for the ranks above are adopted (russified) Western words. Polkovnik is an original Russian rank that is a direct equivalent to Colonel, as stated in the Strelets Troos section. See Oberst. DmitryKo 18:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Original Russian rank or original Russian name for the rank of Colonel? --GS 00:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if it matters. Is Lieutenant Commander an original English name for the rank of Captain, 3rd rank? DmitryKo 06:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Take the point, but it seems to be the original Russian rank, rather than someone deciding "let's have colonels with a different name'. The Land 13:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation: Polkonvik 

message: This is a great article but I find it somewhat bulky and confusing.  I think the tables need to be broken up into separate article for the ranks of the Russian Empire, Soviet Union, and Russian Federation.  Also, pictures are badly needed!  That should not be too hard, as I have a Defense Department JPG CD which ahs pics of Russian ranks.
I propose to split the article up and add pictures.  Thats obviously a major undertaking and will not be attempted without some agreement. -Husnock 21:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You have an agreement from me. --DimaY2K 12:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables and pictures 

message: Someone added ranks of podpraporshchik and bootsman to modern military ranks table. Those ranks do not exist in modern russian military neither did they exist in soviet military. It can be seen clearly here (a page from russian military of deffense site). As such I am removing them from this page and others related. --DimaY2K 13:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Roitr why do you keep adding this ranks to the table. They don't exist. Same thing about Admiral of the fleet of the Russian Federation, it is not an inactive rank it does not exist. --DimaY2K 17:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Roitr, please stop adding fictional and historical ranks, or I'll make sure you are banned. Thanks. -DmitryKo 15:22, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podpraporshchik/Bootsman 

message: Who added Lyotchik as a rank?! Word lyotchik means pilot in russian and never was a rank in russian military. Russian air force has exectly the same ranks as russian ground forces. Could someone stop this madness! --DimaY2K 14:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up. Roitr, you may trash this page as you like. Best regards. --DmitryKo 14:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, now he's banned but has created numerous bots... why does he have to spend his time writing nonsense and trashing English Wikipedia when he's apparently Russian is just beyond me. --DmitryKo 22:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyotchik 

message: The Cornet link, links to the actual instrument rather than the page on the military rank, I made it link to the actual rankCarillonatreides 17:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking of Cornet 

message: this article extremly needs images to show the military ranks Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 21:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  images needed 

message: Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation is fictional rank; no such rank in Russian fleet now. I delete all about this from the article, please don't add wrong information. (sorry for poor english) Ingwar JR 08:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation 

message: The only officer who presently holds the rank is the former Minister of Defense Igor Sergeyev. Sergeyev died last year.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.51.71 (talk) 21:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marshal of the Russian Federation Igor Sergeyev 

message: Hi people. I'm going to need these ranks for another project, so if no-one minds I'm going to add a basic content for now that can be expanded later. Ok?--Mrg3105 (talk) 11:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranks for late-30s and WW2 

message: Why does this non-existent rank keep appearing in this article, albeit with caveats about being hypothetical and possible in the event of war? Firstly, necessity for more ranks is based on for size and organisational structure, so a big peacetime build-up would be just as much of an impetus for creating this rank. Secondly, a naval officer could be promoted to Marshal of the Russian Federation. Finally, and most importantly, IT DOESN'T EXIST. Pointing out that it's hypothetical is accurate but its inclusion in the chart is not appropriate, as that clause can be used as a justification for including any number of non-existent ranks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.217.37 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation 

message: Gentlemen, why does it say überofficers in the Russian Empire section, it's seems to me as blatant vandalism. It has stuck there for the past months.
Gsmgm (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Überofficers?! 

message: I added the table of Ranks of 1917-1925.--UeArtemis (talk) 20:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a table 

message: of the Imperial Russian ranks: what other countries did Russia look to when evolving these ranks (I am not talking about the "native" Russian ranks)? The German influence is obvious, but the actual insignia are very Austria-Hungary like. 118.90.103.184 (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical influences 

message: I think that term "All-forcess Ranks" sould be changed to "Troop Ranks" since "troop", is closest translation of russian "войско". I'm waiting for responces before making the change (don't want to start another edit war on this article). DimaY2K (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-forcess Ranks vs. Troop Ranks 

message: Gentlemen, it's good to see that this article has been cleaned of nonsense by User:Roitr and has recently undergone much needed expansion in regard to Soviet ranks, however the rank tables have become way too detailed compared to  and just impossible to perceive by anyone.
I suggest you don't invent new English terms such as "Efreitor" or "Staff Captain", which have either never seen any substantial English use , or are not used in the sense implied in this article .  Please  avoid too much transliteration and Russification. Just try to follow the wikilinks to find out that they don't even mention any Russian use such as General of the Infantry, and there are many orphaned articles like Stabskapitän which should be linked from this and other articles.
Please clean-up this article and simplify the rank tables which are largely unreadable by now because there are too many details that are primarily of interest to historians only and should be left to detailed monographs, not an encyclopaedia entry. This is why it is currently listed in a "B" category; something needs to be done about it,
What about a break-up to smaller articles, with short summaries in place of long detailed tables in the main article?  The detailed sections could be linked from Military ranks of the Soviet Union, and this article would become a descriptive text with a historical overview of the rank system, instead of normative list of every possible rank in each and every historical period. --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 17:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invented English terms and general clarity 

message: is this a real translation (i.e. generally adopted in published works) or is it someone's invention (which apparently has been copied to some other similar articles on other websites)?
ru:Отделение means loosely something like squad or section, and in fact that rank should be an equivalent of "squad/section leader". A squad (or section) could be a tank (thus becoming a tank commander), but in infantry they would be leading a smallest tactical unit (until today) that is distinguished in the Russian Army.  "Separated commander" sounds like typical engrish (in this case runglish) fail to me.
Egh0st (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separated Commander 

message: Although it is FSB and not the military per say, should it be noted that the Border Guard often has rank insignia on the lowere part of sleeves?
71.58.198.190 (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Border Guards 

message: Why does this article include ranks from the Soviet Union when a seperate article exists for them? Russia does not equal the Soviet Union.86.141.3.84 (talk) 17:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet Ranks

message: As I am aware Cossacks' ranking system was quite different from the general military one. Moreover they were a semi regular detachments and as such were not completely integrated into the military structure (e.g.  they had their own artillery up until ww1). I am not really an expert in this subject so anyone interested in welcomed to do their own research, but the details that I gave above are 100% correct. So I guess some further work is needed on "1722-1917" section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.68.111 (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cossacks ranks for the period 1722-1917 are missing  

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