Talk:Prophecy of Seventy Weeks

message: I changed the title of this section because, in my opinion, it's not at all about Christology (the nature of Christ), but rather about prophetic coded forecasts of his coming (apocalypticism). I'm now going through the section checking the sentences against the sources, and trying to find a better structure.PiCo (talk) 06:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The exercise was taking up too much time for too little result. I reverted to an earlier version.PiCo (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christological readings/Christian apocalypticism 

message: The figure of Danel/Daniel from the texts of [Ugarit]], does not seem to be a king as mentioned in this article. He is described as a righteous judge, or a wise man. His patron deity "Rp'u" was possibly another name for El, a supreme deity for the Canaanites. Dimadick (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to "judge". This correction doesn't seem to have any bearing on the rest of the content.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ugarit 

message: AlphabeticThing9, I'd like to suggest a new way of writing the Christological readings section.
For a start, the title should Christian millennialism - this isn't Christology (the nature of Christ), it's eschatology (study of last things, more popularly called millennialism).
More fundamental is the structure of the section. It should address a few basic questions, namely which passages in Daniel 9 refer to Jesus, how the "weeks" are to be interpreted, and what the beginning and end points might be. Varying answers have been given to each of these.PiCo (talk) 21:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christological readings 

message: Many Christian scholars disagree with the theologically traditional-orthodox view, since:
Quoted by Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: In the short form  it predicts the coming of a Messiah or anointed one, and that Messiah is Jesus
Now somewhat longer
From the time when an edict goes out to restore Jerusalem, to the time of the coming of the Messiah is 7 and 62 weeks (of years) or 69 weeks (of years). This is generally taken to mean 483 years (69 times 7).
There are 4 Persian edicts which can be taken as the starting point of this prophecy. Two are for the rebuilding of the Temple, the 3rd for the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the 4th an affirmation of the 3rd. The third is therefore the preferred starting point.
This third edict is dated to the 7th year of Artaxerxes who is currently thought to have ruled from 465 to 424 BC. The 7th year of his rule is 458 BC. Adding 483 years to 458 BC bring us to 25 AD. Was there a Messiah preaching an everlasting covenant in Jerusalem in 25 AD? Billions of Christians think so!
The prophecy continues "26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off" There is a period of 7 weeks and then a period of 62 weeks. Two periods that total 69 weeks (of years). After the second period is over (in 25 AD) the Messiah will be "cut off" meaning killed. Was the Messiah preaching in Jerusalem killed at some point after 25 AD. Billions of Christians think so! It's called the Crucifixion!
The Messiah will have a week to preach the covenant during which he will put an end to sacrifices. "27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering." Billions of Christians believe that the Crucifixion put an end to sacrifices and offerings.
Also in Daniel 8:27 is a related prophecy " Then the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed."
The people reference are the Romans and the prince is Titus, the son of Emperor Vespasian, who destroyed both Jerusalem and the Temple. Once you have the starting date the prophecy is actually easy to decipher. You also arrive to the conclusion that the Book of Daniel is actually a REAL book of prophecy and and not fiction as purported by some atheist "authorities" with an ax to grind.
https://evidenceforchristianity.org/when-was-the-decree-to-restore-and-rebuild-jerusalem-issued-daniel-925/
The third “decree” in Ezra is that of Artaxerxes in Ezra 7:11-28. This is a decree to actually rebuild the city. The decree comes from the seventh year of Artaxerxes (Ezra 7:8). This is somewhere around 458 BC from what we know of Artaxerxes’ reign from outside sources. This decree actually resulted in the rebuilding of Jerusalem under Nehemiah.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.128.111 (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian interpretation of the prophecy - Messianic Jews as well 

message: The idea that the Book of Daniel has historicity does not fly with mainstream academia. If you want to assert it as a matter of true belief, that might be so. But as a historical view is not even remotely tenable. WP:CHOPSY laugh at it, sneer at it. See more at . tgeorgescu (talk)  15:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not remotely tenable 

message: In the second paragraph under Christological readings, one reads the following: "... making up a period of 69 weeks (483 years)". Now this doesn't seem to be a typo, since it's immediately followed up by a timeframe of around 483 years, but how on earth does 69 weeks equal 483 years? If it does however make sense in some way, I think it should be specified in order to avoid confusion. I hope someone more qualified than me sees this. Thanks in advance! Momsemann (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, earlier in the article it's clearly specified that these weeks are 7-year intervals... and thus 483 makes sense as it's the 69th multiple of 7. Momsemann (talk) 22:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  69 weeks are how many years?