Talk:All India Institutes of Medical Sciences

message: The achievements section looks highly inadequate and its language a bit vague. 
128.12.147.175 04:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article needs some info on the doctors' strike following the government's refusal to grant them salaries for the period for which they had been protesting the new OBC quotas. --Wikindian 02:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need info on another strike 

message: Apparantely some editors have described AIIMS in glowing terms. We need to adopt a more neutral and less flashy approach.--Wikindian 23:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed some high sounding statements. Looks like all editing till now was by AIIMSonians. Bunty.Gill 09:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unneutral 

message: There is no address and localisation of AIIMS in Delhi. No information of transport too. 
: Done. EyeMD 20:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need the address 

message: date of exam 2007 time table —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.64.90.231 (talk) 14:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  date of exam 2007 time table 

message: There are too many links in this section, many of which violate WP:External links. Please discuss the readdition of any links on this page before doing so, allowing editors to reach consensus on their inclusion.
*removed "Contact Info" - this does not belong in the External link section (it is probably inappropriate for the article anyway)
*information about test taking: these two sites are not directly related to the article, contain objectionable amounts of advertising, and do not contain extra information that improves the encyclopedic quality of the article:
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*removed multiple links to AIIMS .edu website: Multiple links to the same website are strongly discouraged. 
*Forums (per WP:EL) are almost never linked. They fail the reliable source WP:RS and verifiability WP:V test. 
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*Newspaper articles should be used as references within the article rather than external links. These might be worth relinking, but not in the external link section.
**Which Hospital Is Best "Newsweek" International Edition
**Top Hospitals in India "The Week"
**News Paper Article in "Times of India"
**News Paper Article in "Indian Express"
**News Paper Article in "Education Times"
*Commercial website not directly related to the content of the article.
**http://www.indiamedicaltourism.net
External links tend to benefit the linked website (notariety/ad-sense/advertising revenue/page rank/etc.) and not improve the content of the article. Linking cleaning is an ongoing part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam. Make sure consensus is reached on relinking any sites before editing the article. Thanks. Nposs 05:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link cleanup 

message: My attention was brought to various statements in this article which violate NPOV after someone using the IP 210.7.93.119. I reverted his edits and am currently trying to put this article through a fine-toothed comb to ensure that it maintains its neutrality. I'm removing unnecessary statements such as
 "It is the representation of apartheid, racism, casteism and fanatism. Of late it has been found that the
 Fanatic thief Venugopal has swindled a large amount of money that was illegally collected as a bribe from
 the poor patients undergoing heart surgery"
which was present in the introduction paragraph. However, I feel that statements which have been referenced to newspaper articles which are informative of the prevailing caste/anti-caste conditions in the Institute are necessary. Please join in and help, if anybody so wishes. Ajcfreak 09:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Many parts of the article are deragatory to the institution.
Citations are mainly from newspapers which in India are heavilty biased any unreliable (they change their statements in hours.)
I am actually very happy with the work of Ajcfreak.
Also about his concern about the reports of caste based discrimination in AIIMS.
I would like to ask him to read the language of the various sections were things about caste based dicriminations are written.
I dont think the language is proper for wikipedia which is supposed to be neutral.
So I would like to ask mr. ajcfreak to rewrite those parts after reading about the reality.
i would like to report the biased and false parts.... please mr. ajcfreak edit these parts
unproven and uncited allegations- 
"The vice-like grip that Dr Venugopal exercises over AIIMS is legendary.
But doctors say the way he overrides and ignores their demands, disregards other faculty and charts his own course for the institute, riles them.[citation needed]
More than 200 faculty members had petitioned Union Health Minister Anbumani Ramadoss against Venugopal’s recent decisions. The one decision that had irked them most was the hike in patient charges, which the faculty members saw as a departure from the AIIMS founding charter. However, the protests have not accomplished much.[citation needed]
The man’s political acumen also comes to the fore when one examines the fact that he was appointed by the NDA government though he was 61, beyond the retirement age. And while appointment letters state that a director is appointed “for a tenure of five years or the age of superannuation, whichever is earlier”, in his case the appointment read: “appointed as Director for a period of five years from the date he assumes charge and until further orders.”[citation needed]"
language and fact ( i have edited and given a reference of the parallel opds which was not mentioned and also about the "extra" reservation for "other backward classes "(OBCs)" institutions of excellence like IIMs, IITs, AIIMS etc.")
"They opposed the Prime Minister's appeal, putting the patients into discomfort as treatment was declined to them. This strike continued till 31 May when the doctors called off their strike after the Supreme Court of India orders. These students stood under the umbrella of an organisation named Youth for Equality and protested against reservations for backward classes."
See the language and the reference(`AIIMS Director Venugopal played provocative role in anti-quota stir' Aarti Dhar - Charge by Thorat Committee in report submitted to Union Health Minister)(Its just a commitee and it has charged the AIIMS administration with charges which are not yet proved and not even placed in court so won't you say its biased? also see the word forward caste after the name of Dr. B Khaitan for which the citation contains no reference about Dr B Khaitan leave apart him being from what caste he is from- I don't think you know or even me that he is from forward class neither he proclaims in his name as an ISP)-
"Reserved category students were bullied into vacating their hostel rooms, leading to an SC/ST ghetto being formed on two floors of Hostels 4 and 5. The reserved category students were forced into "social isolation" at various levels, including even from faculty members, with 84 per cent students saying they faced violence and segregation in the hostel[4] that often forced them to shift to hostels No. 4 and 5 where there was a concentration of SC/ST students.
A committee formed by the Central Government documents the acts of discrimination endured by students belonging to Dalit and tribal communities.[citation needed] Daily life at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences resembles that in the country’s feudal outbacks and Apartheid-era South Africa, a government committee has discovered, confirming findings reported by The Telegraph.[5]
AIIMS Faculty Association president B.K. Khaitan (from Forward caste) in a statement[6] said these allegations were "absurd and baseless."
please keep an eye on the article because it is a burning issue and may mislead many innocent people. In this context this becomes our unshirkable responsibilty that whatever comes out of this article should be well scrutinized, unbiased and true.
:Responding to the lengthy post above, I have to say that it IS definitely biased if we blot out press articles/news items from several leading dailies in India but include few articles which propagate the view that we want to be represented. Frankly speaking, I feel that all press items need to be represented. I also propose that we move all controversial content from within the rest of the article to under the sectional heading "Controversies". Anybody (editor or the like) who comes across this and feels contributive, please - go ahead and jump in and join the fray! This is Wikipedia. It is a collaborative effort. Let's wiki in all our glory. aJCfreak yAkBaK 18:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Violations

message: With regard to the 'Controversies' section, I thought it best that we write up the controversial issues that AIIMS has been faced with under a sub-heading such as "Allegations of lower-caste discrimination" within the 'Controversies' topic. I've commented out a section with the following text:
 
If any of you come across this section, please do go ahead and edit it and write it out in accordance to Wikipedia's various policies as applicable. Interested users/editors might wanna take a look at the following section of Wikipedia's guidelines:
*Citing of sources
*Verifiability of cited sources
*How to maintain a Neutral point of view (NPOV)
Cheerio! And happy editing.... aJCfreak yAkBaK 18:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: Note:  Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under :Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag  TALK2ME 13:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:INDIA]] Banner/Delhi Addition 

message: What is the criteria for inclusion? I propose keeping only those names in the list, who are notable enough to have their own articles on wikipedia, and remove the rest. Anir1uph (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable faculty and alumni 

message: I am American and sometimes I fail to understand politics in India. Here is what I think is happening
*there are competing political parties in India
*there are multiple All India Institutes in various cities around India, and the government builds new ones over time
*claiming the establishment of an All India Institute is an accomplishment that political parties want
*there are multiple unclear steps in establishing an institute, including announcing it, building it, and opening it
*data is not transparent, and we do not know for example how much funding political parties arranged in what time period
There seem to be multiple sources arguing about who gets credit for schools in this system. I cannot make sense of the news and also I do not know which news sources are influenced by which political parties.
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*Ministry of Health and Family Welfare - http://pmssy-mohfw.nic.in/index4.php?lang=1&level=0&linkid=81&lid=108
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If anyone would like to match sources to an interpretation then please do.  Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political dispute about establishment