Talk:Spanish Constitution of 1812

message: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request.
Currently it's impossible without reading the article to tell what it governed. Thanx 68.39.174.150 12:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: This edit changes it from "Allies" to "British". Was it just the British? Or one of the many coalitions (I suspect Sixth Coalition)? Or what? - Jmabel | Talk 05:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wellington's forces 

message: Is "Cortes Generales" in the article correct for this time? Or is it an anachronism, and should it simply be "Cortes"? - Jmabel | Talk 04:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cortes Generales" 

message: I'm putting this here for the moment for lack seeing of a smooth way to work it in.
The regency council at the time of the drafting of the constitution was distinct from the one appointed by Ferdinand VII before he went to Bayonne to meet Napoleon (and was effectively taken captive). - citable from Charles J. Esdaile, Spain in the Liberal Age, Blackwell, 2000. . p. 14, 25.
-- Jmabel | Talk 00:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regency and continuity 

message: The phrase "Ferdinand's harsh rule" in the article seems a bit strong. From what I've read, it wasn't so much "harsh" as arbitrary and erratic. Cabinets were short-lived, finances were dire, and he was a rather uninspired leader. - Jmabel | Talk 02:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferdinand's rule 

message: Currently as "The problem of the Americas", it reflects neither the "problem" nor its scope, which includes territories in Asia and Africa --RafaelMinuesa (talk) 01:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The original title refers to the fact that only the Americas represented a problem. The residents of the Philippines did not challenge the constitutional process, therefore there was no "Philippine" problem. The African territories in this period are small.  Large territories of the Americas not only questioned the legitimacy of  the constitutional process but they established their own governments to rule in the absence of Fernando VII. This is a problem! Do note that many of the representatives you list from the signed Constitution itself were suplentes, that is, people elected from among a very small group of Americans, mostly merchants, in the presser-cooker environment that existed in Cadiz in 1810.  They were hardly representative, and were not seen so by the Americans (the New Granadan and Venezuelan representatives receive communications from the juntas back home that the juntas did not recognize them and I see no evidence that the ones of the Río de la Plata recognized them either), nor were they seen by the organizers of the Cortes a permanent solution.  Rather their role should have been temporary, but in the absence of elections in the Americas, their job became permanent.  The debate over the creation of Spanish citizenship has to be seen in this context.TriniMuñoz (talk) 06:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing name of section

message: Art 22 refers to how African natives can become Spanish citizens.
"Art. 22. A los españoles que por cualquier línea son habidos y reputados por originarios del Africa, les queda abierta la puerta de la virtud y del merecimiento para ser ciudadanos: en su consecuencia las Cortes concederán carta de ciudadano a los que hicieren servicios calificados a la Patria, o a los que se distingan por su talento, aplicación y conducta, con la condición de que sean hijos de legítimo matrimonio de padres ingenuos; de que estén casados con mujer ingenua, y avecindados en los dominios de las Españas, y de que ejerzan alguna profesión, oficio o industria útil con un capital propio."
The Article is assuming that they were not born in Spanish jurisdiction, because Spain did not have colonies in Africa, except for tiny Guinea Ecuatorial and the scarcely populated Sahara, whose population was automatically recognized as Spanish all the way up to their independence/transfer. Natives of Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla were already considered as Spanish. --RafaelMinuesa (talk) 02:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick reading of the article might lead to this conclusion, but no, Article 22 does not refer to African émigrés.  The article is specifically referring to Black or "Mulatto" people in the Spanish territories whether born there or not. "Through whatever line [of descent] are or are reputed to be of African origin" refers to people who's families have been in Spanish territories for generations. I wrote the original text regarding this consulting the literature that exists out there, such as Rodríguez O. and Rieu-Millan's books.TriniMuñoz (talk) 06:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Art 22

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the section Deliberations and Reforms it says, "It came to be called the "sacred code" of the branch of liberalism that rejected the French Revolution..."  Can someone expand on how it rejected the French Revolution?  In the article Cortes of Cádiz it says, "The liberals carried on the reformist philosophy of Carlos III and added to it many of the ideas of the French Revolution.  They wanted equality before the law, a centralized government, an efficient civil service, a reform of the tax system, the replacement of feudal privileges by freedom of contract and the recognition of property rights."  Is there a name for a branch of liberalism that rejected the French Revolution?  Did some of the ideas of the French Revolution influence the Cortes and the constitution?  This is confusing to me, perhaps an expert could explain it better.  Checkn8 (talk) 04:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence of French Revolution