Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format

message: A nice format and all, but wouldn't it help a little if it included such vital information like height, weight, shoots/catches, and possibly even their number? Until theirs a defined place, I'm including it in the opening paragraph. Kaiser Matias 09:29 19 August 2005 (UTC)
:Most of that is in the Ice Hockey Player Infobox. Bamsefar75 20:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info on players 

message: Is there any good standard on how to format players turned coaches (or other staff)?
Should it be split as 'playing career' and 'coaching career'?
Hdw 12:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players that continue as staff 

message: I would like to point out one fact. This is not an English wikipedia intended only for English people. This is an internationla project with international editors that should be worthy for all people of the world. So habits usual in England (or in USA) made out of comfort should not be taken as the only correct way of doing things. Actually this is NPOV issue. --Jan Smolik 11:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the Czech hockey team in English compliments of the Torino Italy Olympic Committee  Here they are in Italian: , French: . Here are the rosters from the IIHF (INTERNATIONAL Ice Hockey Federation)  based in Switzerland: . ccwaters 21:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, Jan, this is the English section of wikipedia, not the international english section of wikipedia. That is why they have wikipedia in other languages! If wikipedia only came in english, then you might have a case about it being the "international" english section. But, alas, there are other language sections. the english section follows the POV of the English language and other language sections follow the POV of their own language. Masterhatch 21:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The English Wikipedia should follow common English usage. The Czech should follow Czech. The Swahili should follow Swahili. Period. BoojiBoy 00:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English wikipedia vs. international Wikipedia in English

message: After a thorough discussion with Jerzy, he showed me the importance of having brevity in the brackets when name conflicts occur such as Scott Walker. I had been following the rule to put Scott Walker (hockey player), but he told me the problems with that, as its much too specific and extends beyond the bracket's purpose. What's inside the brackets should only be meant to distinguish the difference between people of the same name, so thus, Scott Walker (hockey) is the best to use. Now many of the hockey bio articles have (hockey player) as it stands now, including a few I made into (hockey player) a few days ago before I was convinced why it was the wrong way of doing things. I myself am going to chip away and try to standardize those articles into (hockey), and I wouldn't mind some help. If you would like to help me, let me know that you wish to help on my talk page so that I know I have some help. An advantage is that if you have editcountinitis, this is a great way to boost your edit count, just to add some incentive.  Croat Canuck   03:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming Conflicts: What to put in the brackets

message: Sample, using stats from Miikka Kiprusoff. The idea of having regular season and playoffs stats together is a good one and makes more sense, even if we can't fit in SA and SV%. Any consensus on making this the standard?
            	                  	            	 	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	Regular season	 	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs
Season           	Team                   	League           	 	GP            	W             	L             	T             	MIN           	GA            	SO            	GAA           	 	GP      	W       	L       	MIN     	GA      	SO      	GAA
1994-95          	TPS                    	SM-l             	 	4             	?             	?             	?             	240           	12            	0             	3.00          	 	2       	?       	?       	120     	7       	?       	3.50
1995-96          	TPS                    	SM-l             	 	12            	?             	?             	?             	550           	38            	0             	4.14          	 	3       	?       	?       	114     	4       	?       	2.10
1996-97          	AIK Solna              	Elit             	 	42            	?             	?             	?             	2466          	104           	3             	2.53          	 	7       	?       	?       	420     	23      	?       	3.28
1997-98          	AIK Solna              	Elit             	 	42            	?             	?             	?             	2457          	110           	0             	2.69          	 	5       	?       	?       	300     	8       	?       	1.60
1998-99          	TPS                    	SM-l             	 	39            	26            	6             	6             	2260          	70            	4             	1.85          	 	10      	9       	1       	580     	15      	3       	1.55
1999-00          	Kentucky Thoroughblades	AHL              	 	47            	23            	19            	4             	2759          	144           	3             	2.48          	 	5       	1       	3       	239     	13      	0       	3.27
2000-01          	Kentucky Thoroughblades	AHL              	 	36            	19            	9             	6             	2038          	76            	2             	2.24          	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2000-01          	San Jose Sharks        	NHL              	 	5             	2             	1             	0             	154           	5             	0             	1.95          	 	3       	1       	1       	149     	5       	0       	2.01
2001-02          	Cleveland Barons       	AHL              	 	4             	4             	0             	0             	242           	7             	0             	1.73          	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2001-02          	San Jose Sharks        	NHL              	 	20            	7             	6             	3             	1041          	43            	2             	2.48          	 	1       	0       	0       	7       	0       	0       	0.00
2002-03          	San Jose Sharks        	NHL              	 	22            	5             	14            	0             	1199          	65            	1             	3.25          	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2003-04          	Calgary Flames         	NHL              	 	38            	24            	10            	4             	2300          	65            	4             	1.69          	 	26      	15      	11      	1655    	51      	5       	1.85
2004-05          	Timrå IK               	Elit             	 	46            	?             	?             	?             	2719          	97            	5             	2.14          	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2005-06          	Calgary Flames         	NHL              	 	74            	42            	20            	0             	4379          	151           	10            	2.07          	 	7       	3       	4       	428     	16      	0       	2.24
SM-liiga Totals  	SM-liiga Totals        	SM-liiga Totals  	 	55            	              	              	              	3049          	120           	4             	2.36          	 	15      	        	        	814     	26      	        	1.91
Elitserien Totals	Elitserien Totals      	Elitserien Totals	 	130           	              	              	              	7642          	311           	8             	2.44          	 	13      	        	        	776     	36      	0       	2.78
AHL Totals       	AHL Totals             	AHL Totals       	 	87            	46            	28            	10            	5039          	227           	5             	2.70          	 	5       	1       	3       	239     	13      	0       	3.27
NHL Totals       	NHL Totals             	NHL Totals       	 	159           	80            	51            	7             	9070          	329           	17            	2.18          	 	37      	19      	16      	2240    	72      	5       	1.92
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
                 	                       	                 	 	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	              	 	        	        	        	        	        	        	
--Legalizeit 08:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I encountered another problem when working on Khabibulin's stats: ties and overtime losses. TSN.ca and HockeyDB.com incorrectly list overtime losses in the ties column, and add them up with the ties in the total, which obviously is not accurate. NHL.com does not list the overtime losses anywhere, which leaves quite a few games unaccounted for in goaltender's stats. Prior to 2005-06, overtime losses were included in the "losses" column of goaltender's statistics, even though the team got a point, so changing the policy now that ties no longer exist, as Hazelorb suggested, does not make sense. I see no reason why overtime losses should not be included in the losses column, just like before 2005-06. --Muéro 02:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goalie stats revisited

message: See: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia:Naming conventions (hockey) - Should Wikipedia:Naming conventions (hockey) become a naming conventions guideline? --Francis Schonken 15:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions 

message: Greetings, I've been editing quite a few of the NHL player articles to bring them up to the said standard.  However, in looking over the many players who aren't on the "plyers needed to be formatted" or however its dubbed, Tie Domi for example, gives a brief spiel of his hegiht, weight, is he left or right shot etc...  might I propose, that in addition to the specs already laid out to create an NHL player article, we design a template info box quick facts with picture..
any thoughts? Boort 09:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Template:Infobox ice hockey player. Jaskaramdeep 16:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player Infobox Template Suggestion 

message: Billy Boucher is listed at the top of this page as an example of a good article for a player that was a bit less notable (whereas Gretsky was very notable).  Unfortunately, most of the Boucher article appears to have been copied from the Hockey Hall of Fame "Legends of Hockey" site.  It's now a candidate for deletion.  I've started a new stub to replace the old article, but it needs to be fleshed out, OR a different example of a good article needs to be put on this page. I'll also mention this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey
<BR>ColtsScore 08:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Billy Boucher]] example article 

message: A note on Finnish ice hockey team names: Finnish teams don't generally use the location-name format that North American teams do; since hockeydb.com apparently has hardwired two-word names for teams they've come up with names like TPS Turku and Jokerit Helsinki to fit their format. These names are technically incorrect; most blatantly in cases like TPS Turku, where TPS stands for "Turun Palloseura" (roughly Turku Ball Club), so TPS Turku is like saying Toronto Toronto Maple Leafs. I run into this a lot on Wikipedia, and I wanted to drop a note here that I think Wikipedia articles should conform to this. The one-word names of the teams are all listed in the SM-liiga article. Elrith 16:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's how the SM-liiga refers to its own teams, it only makes sense to do so here.  Ravenswing 17:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I probably inadvertently propagated some of these issues myself.  I was wondering why we had the inconsistency.  I'll fix what I see over time.  -- JamesTeterenko 17:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wait a sec... in TPS (ice hockey) it states, "Today, the full name of the club that owns the ice hockey team is HC TPS Turku Oy."  The team name does include "TPS Turku".  Is that correct?  -- JamesTeterenko 17:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the TPS website it is.   Ravenswing 02:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, the team itself uses the combination, which means that it is not as incorrect as indicated by Elrith.  If the we want to use a standard shortform of "TPS", that is fine with me.  I just want to make sure we are doing so with our eyes open.  -- JamesTeterenko 17:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Wikipedia article is actually incorrect. The name of the company that owns the team is HC TPS Turku Oy; the name of the hockey team is TPS. The team is always referred to as TPS, by the league and by the official website which I'm afraid you've misquoted. The sections referring to HC TPS Turku Oy are the ones dealing with the company that owns the team; the "Oy" in the name is short for OSakeyhtiö, meaning corporation. The team is most definitely called TPS. I can't imagine why they wanted to name their company TPS Turku, since, as I've said, the name is senseless because it repeats the name of the city. Elrith 10:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish hockey team names 

message: I've now created a policy proposal for Finnish proper names at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Finnish). Please comment on it! Elrith 14:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish proper names 

message: I thought a lot about the diacritics issue we had in January. I came to a following conclussion: I think there is a big difference between Europe and USA. In Europe the name of the person is what is written in birth registry. So we cannot accept that Jaromir Jagr without diacritics is actually a name. It is how he writes his name in american environment but it is not his name. In US tradition name of the person is how this person calls himself. So your former president can be called Bill Clinton. Americans would mostly agree this is his name. Europeans would say no this is just how he calls himself. That is why there is a problem with Czech ice hockey players in the USA but not with Czech footballers in England. Check Petr Čech.--Jan.Smolik 20:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one denies the concept that foreign languages have different rules for how spelling and orthography are rendered from the English language.  What I question is the presumption that only Americans fail to use diacriticals.  For instance, since you raise the subject, kindly show us where on the Chelsea FC website Petr Cech's name is rendered with diacriticals? Ravenswing 03:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that by European understanding of things you cannot have something as most common English name of person. Either it is name of person or not. Petr Cech is not his name. It is written as such for simplicity reasons. But it is rather a nickname. I am not pushing diacritics into american ice hockey articles. I am just trying to find out why our oppinions are so different. So use Jaromir Jagr if you want to, but do not call it as his most common name. This is most common way how people write his name once they do not have í and á on they keyboard. BTW.: If I were you I would not use argument: "we do it this way". Many people see this as a very offensive thing and ... uhm ... very American. I lived in the US for long enough to learn to like the country, but this is why so many people in Europe, Asia and probably everywhere else do not like Americans. --Jan.Smolik 16:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And we English-speakers, Britons, Canadiens and Americans alike, share a certain trait:  we find it very offensive when outsiders tell us what rules our language are and are not allowed to use.  Throughout this painfully long debate, your side has tacitly pushed the notion that there is a "European" style of English (hitherto unknown to linguistics experts) which uses diacriticals.  Unfortunately, you've as yet failed to provide any English or Irish sources for the same.  There is no national variant of English in which diacriticals are used, and that is the point: this is the English Wikipedia, and should follow the standard rules of English.  Ravenswing 17:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I will say my views again. If a player has diacritics in his name, they should be somewhere in the article. Looking at other pages on Wikipedia, I think that it should just go at the start of the article. Give a player's full, proper name, and after that, just use their conventional (read NHL/N. American) name. That way, it provides the players legal name, which in an encyclopedia should be there, and his common name, which is also important. Kaiser matias 20:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe that appropriate diacriticals are acceptable in the player article alone.  I do not believe that they're acceptable in other articles referencing the player.  Ravenswing 04:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Ravenswing, I totally agree with you. And Kaiser matias, you just reiterated what I have been saying all along. Use the most common spelling in English for the article title and show the native spelling in full on the first line. Beyond that, revert back to the most common spellig in English. Masterhatch 19:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I know the French Wikipedia doesn't add diacritcs to Anglophone names. GoodDay 21:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diacritics 

message: As the Consensus is to list NHL captains 'by players' (not 'by seasons). I've decided to add 2004-05 to NHL captains lists (as the world & NHL teams existed during that time). EXAMPLE: Team captaincies (before change in 2005-06) status June 2004 to October 2005 - Steve Rucchin (Anaheim), Shawn McEachern (Atlanta), No captain (Buffalo), No captain (Carolina), No captain (Chicago), No captain (Minnesota), Scott Stevens (New Jersey), Alexei Yashin (NY Islanders), Mark Messier (NY Rangers) and Al MacInnis (St.Louis). All the above were their teams' captains during the 2004-05 LOCKOUT. They weren't stripped of the role OR replaced during 2004-05. Their captaincy ended when they were traded, signed away OR retired (in 2005). Again this goes with listing Captains by players NOT by seasons (by seasons would mean -remove 2004-05- as '04-'05 was never an NHL season). GoodDay 00:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should have been on the WikiProject Team pages format page, my mistake (didn't know how to transfer it). GoodDay 00:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Captains & 2004-05

message: The diacriticals dispute of this NHL bio article of a non-English person, was settled by compromise. Pro-diacritic editors & Pro-English diacritic editors, decided to end the dispute (at that article). Hopefully, this (Jagr) article will be a shinning example of cooperation. Hopefully, all NHL bio articles on English Wikipedia, will follow this example. GoodDay 19:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I give credit to Krm500, for this solution. Also see our talk pages, as we're both working out a solution for all NHL related Player bio pages. GoodDay 20:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jaromir Jagr]]

message: I've removed the Use of diacritics and non-English characters guideline. The guideline's existance is contrary to this Project pages desire. That desire being 'to allow European NHL players pages decide for themselves, to use or not use diacriticals'. GoodDay 19:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diacriticals Guideline

message: Just a comment. Congratulations to all Wikipedians, who continue to respect 'No diacritics' on NHL team pages and 'Yes diacritics' on NHL player pages. Keep up the NPOV work. GoodDay 18:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diacritics comment

message: Click here for discussion that is in progress on project's main talk page
===Notability standards for ice hockey players===
Ice hockey players shall be considered notable for purposes of WP:BIO and deletion policy if they fulfill one or more of the following and if they otherwise fulfill the requirements of WP:V:
* Played one or more games in the National Hockey League, the Elitserien, the SM-liiga, the Russian Super League or other such top national professional league.
* Played one or more games in a defunct league generally considered to have been a "major" professional league, such as the World Hockey Association, the National Hockey Association, the Czechoslovak Extraliga, the Pacific Coast Hockey Association and suchlike.
* Played one or more games in an amateur league considered, through lack of a professional league, the highest level of competition extant, such as the 19th century Amateur Hockey Association or the Soviet League.
* Played five or more seasons, and at least 100 games, in a fully professional minor league such as the American Hockey League, the International Hockey League, the ECHL, the Mestis, the HockeyAllsvenskan or other such league. 
* Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, league or playoff MVP, first team all-star, All-American) in a lower minor league such as the Central Hockey League or the United Hockey League, in a major junior league such as the Ontario Hockey Association or the Western Hockey League or in a major collegiate hockey league.
* Played on a national Olympic team.
* Are Honoured Members of the Hockey Hall of Fame.
I propose that the following be added to the criteria for notability:
*Captain or Alternate captain of a official CHL francise (ie: QMJHL, OHL, or WHL)
*Has played three or more seasons in the CHL.
Bradn87 12:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? ccwaters 12:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Because they're notable. Captains and alternate captains receive ample media attention and are the face of the francise (and as of right now, QMJHL francises are still considered notable...knock on wood). Same stands for palyers who've been with the league three years. Because most players leave the league at 19 or 20, having started at the average age of 17, having played regularly in the league for three years is a notable accomplishment.Bradn87 13:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of the sheer number of captains that go through the major junior hockey leagues the fact that it is notable is lessened greatly. I personally know a number of former captains and alternate captains from the CHL and many of them have never gone on to be anything more than that. Playing major junior hockey is not all that notable considering when I went to highschool probably 1 out of 5 guys played. The Franchises themselves are notable because they are part of a major league, but that notability is not passed on to all the players. So to sum it up playing major-junior is not considered an acomplishment due to the sheer number of people who do manage to play it. Playing professionally is much more difficult. --Djsasso 13:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Being a captain or (especially) an assistant captain is not particularly notable on the professional level, let alone the amateur level.  (Quick, without looking it up, how many current NHL assistant captains can you accurately name on teams for which you don't root?)  It takes an Yzerman, a Bourque, a Delvecchio or a Messier to make a captaincy something noteworthy ... or in the alternative, a genuine controversy about a captaincy, which would fit within an already notable article.    Ravenswing  15:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Info below was removed from main page as discussion to adopt these has not reached consensus

message: Ice hockey players shall be considered notable for purposes of WP:BIO and deletion policy if they fulfill one or more of the following and if they otherwise fulfill the requirements of WP:V:
* Played one or more games in the National Hockey League, the Elitserien, the SM-liiga, the Russian Super League or other such top national professional league.
* Played one or more games in a defunct league generally considered to have been a "major" professional league, such as the World Hockey Association, the National Hockey Association, the Czechoslovak Extraliga, the Pacific Coast Hockey Association and suchlike.
* Played one or more games in an amateur league considered, through lack of a professional league, the highest level of competition extant, such as the 19th century Amateur Hockey Association or the Soviet League.
* Played five or more seasons, and at least 100 games, in a fully professional minor league such as the American Hockey League, the International Hockey League, the ECHL, the Mestis, the HockeyAllsvenskan or other such league. 
* Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, league or playoff MVP, first team all-star, All-American) in a lower minor league such as the Central Hockey League or the United Hockey League, in a major junior league such as the Ontario Hockey Association or the Western Hockey League or in a major collegiate hockey league.
* Played on a national Olympic team.
* Are Honoured Members of the Hockey Hall of Fame.
I propose that the following be added to the criteria for notability:
*Captain or Alternate captain of a official CHL francise (ie: QMJHL, OHL, or WHL)
*Has played three or more seasons in the CHL.
Bradn87 12:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? ccwaters 12:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Because they're notable. Captains and alternate captains receive ample media attention and are the face of the francise (and as of right now, QMJHL francises are still considered notable...knock on wood). Same stands for palyers who've been with the league three years. Because most players leave the league at 19 or 20, having started at the average age of 17, having played regularly in the league for three years is a notable accomplishment.Bradn87 13:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of the sheer number of captains that go through the major junior hockey leagues the fact that it is notable is lessened greatly. I personally know a number of former captains and alternate captains from the CHL and many of them have never gone on to be anything more than that. Playing major junior hockey is not all that notable considering when I went to highschool probably 1 out of 5 guys played. The Franchises themselves are notable because they are part of a major league, but that notability is not passed on to all the players. So to sum it up playing major-junior is not considered an acomplishment due to the sheer number of people who do manage to play it. Playing professionally is much more difficult. --Djsasso 13:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Being a captain or (especially) an assistant captain is not particularly notable on the professional level, let alone the amateur level.  (Quick, without looking it up, how many current NHL assistant captains can you accurately name on teams for which you don't root?)  It takes an Yzerman, a Bourque, a Delvecchio or a Messier to make a captaincy something noteworthy ... or in the alternative, a genuine controversy about a captaincy, which would fit within an already notable article.    Ravenswing  15:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability standards for ice hockey players

message: I thought we were gonna 'discuss' or have a 'consensus vote' on player pages, before moving them (to diacritical or non-diacritical titles). Wasn't that the understanding? the gentlemens/ladies agreement? I've since 'moved back' Marian Gaborik and Peter Stastny to there original state, because of this reason. I'm a little disappointed with Darwinek 'page movement' methods (whick also include non-hockey articles), they seemed quite arbitrary in nature. GoodDay 18:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I understood the agreement was that player pages have diatrics with a non-diatric redirect. And that on team pages etc we don't use diacritics. --Djsasso 18:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was, each player page 'decided' for itself (via discussion/consensus). Your version, however sounds easier (hundreds of page movement discussions, is alot). Perhaps silence on all those pages, since Darwinek's changes (I had to break the silence) is a sorta 'silent majority'. As a result, I've no intentions to 'move back' anymore of his 'page movements'. GoodDay 19:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the part you are referring to was that we weren't going to set out and change existing pages, but I am not sure if that was about this diacritics or not, there has been so many format discussions lately. I believe we were just going to leave pages as is. However, if people do change them to diacritics its ok but if they change the other way its not cool. In order to avoid the fights that plague pages like Jaromir Jagr --Djsasso 19:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct, this isn't about 'diacritics'. I just felt Darwinek's moves were arbitrary in nature. If he had moved 'diacritical pages' to 'non-diacritical pages' with the same method, I'd still be upset. GoodDay 19:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Movements

message: For consistancy's sake: I feel the time has come, to move these pages (Jagr, Gaborik) to diacritics form. Yes, I was earlier opposed to this and Yes those pages have had 'consensus votes' to keep diacritic away. However, the concerned WikiProject pages (via agreement on diacritics usage) calls for these player pages to be diacriticized. These pages should conform (PS- leaving a note at here & here). GoodDay 19:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup they should. --Djsasso 01:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jaromir Jagr]] and [[Marian Gaborik]]

message: Can someone help me out, with an new anon user. He/she is being innocently disruptive. Calling in an Administrator, may be too drastic. GoodDay 16:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is similar to Heatley and Regehr. Unless we can find a source that states that he has Swiss citizenship we stick with Canadian since we have a source for it. Besides, I think I remember that that Reto von Arx was the first Swiss player to score a goal in the NHL. That backs up the theory of Hardy only being born in Switzerland. Parents on vacation or maybe stationed there. --Krm500 16:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the nationality to Canadian. Thanks for finding a 'reliable source' (and ending a potential 'edit war'). GoodDay 14:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah we would list him as Canadian but as far as cats go per previous standard such as Robyn Regehr etc he has cats for both the place he was born and the nation he represents. --Djsasso 21:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mark Lea Hardy]]

message: According to the guidelines on WP:HOCKEY/PPF#Article Sections show that a place of birth should be given with the date of birth at the beginning of the article. However, WP:DATES#Dates of birth and death states that locations should be given subsequently. Should the guidlines on this page be updated? -- JD554 07:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To add - it seems perfectly sensible to me that it can be included as it isn't "entangled" -- JD554 07:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Player page structure

message: Which looks better to use?
     	                	     	 	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	 	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs
Season    	Team                 	League    	 	GP                 	G                  	A                  	P                  	PIM                	 	GP      	G       	A       	P       	PIM
1998-99   	Brampton Battalion   	OHL       	 	67                 	22                 	49                 	71                 	18                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
1999-00   	Mississauga Ice Dogs 	OHL       	 	52                 	24                 	37                 	61                 	33                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
2000-01   	Mississauga Ice Dogs 	OHL       	 	15                 	7                  	23                 	30                 	11                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
2000-01   	Windsor Spitfires    	OHL       	 	41                 	36                 	50                 	86                 	32                 	 	9       	4       	5       	9       	10
2001-02   	Windsor Spitfires    	OHL       	 	27                 	19                 	26                 	45                 	16                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
2001-02   	Belleville Bulls     	OHL       	 	26                 	23                 	37                 	60                 	26                 	 	11      	5       	6       	11      	18
2001-02   	Grand Rapids Griffins	AHL       	 	-                  	-                  	-                  	-                  	-                  	 	3       	1       	0       	1       	2
2002-03   	Binghamton Senators  	AHL       	 	43                 	22                 	32                 	54                 	71                 	 	2       	1       	2       	3       	4
2002-03   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	33                 	7                  	14                 	21                 	8                  	 	3       	1       	1       	2       	0
2003-04   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	78                 	22                 	33                 	55                 	71                 	 	3       	0       	0       	0       	2
2004-05   	Binghamton Senators  	AHL       	 	80                 	32                 	85                 	117                	50                 	 	6       	1       	3       	4       	6
2005-06   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	68                 	19                 	71                 	90                 	33                 	 	10      	5       	9       	14      	2
2006-07   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	67                 	34                 	53                 	87                 	45                 	 	20      	7       	15      	22      	10
NHL Totals	NHL Totals           	NHL Totals	 	246                	82                 	171                	253                	157                	 	36      	13      	25      	38      	14
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	        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Season    	Team               	League          	 	GP                 	G                  	A                  	Pts                	PIM                	 	GP      	G       	A       	Pts     	PIM
1984-85   	Kladno Jr.         	Czechoslovak-Jr.	 	34                 	24                 	17                 	41                 	--                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1985-86   	Kladno Jr.         	Czechoslovak-Jr.	 	36                 	41                 	29                 	70                 	--                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1986-87   	Kladno Jr.         	Czechoslovak-Jr.	 	30                 	35                 	35                 	70                 	--                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1987-88   	Kladno Jr.         	Czechoslovak-Jr.	 	35                 	57                 	27                 	84                 	--                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1988-89   	HC Kladno          	Czechoslovak    	 	29                 	3                  	3                  	6                  	4                  	 	10      	5       	7       	12      	0
1989-90   	HC Kladno          	Czechoslovak    	 	42                 	22                 	28                 	50                 	--                 	 	9       	8       	2       	10      	--
1990-91   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	80                 	27                 	30                 	57                 	42                 	 	24      	3       	10      	13      	6
1991-92   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	70                 	32                 	37                 	69                 	34                 	 	21      	11      	13      	24      	6
1992-93   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	81                 	34                 	60                 	94                 	61                 	 	12      	5       	4       	9       	23
1993-94   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	80                 	32                 	67                 	99                 	61                 	 	6       	2       	4       	6       	16
1994-95   	HC Kladno          	Czech Rep.      	 	11                 	8                  	14                 	22                 	10                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1994-95   	HC Bolzano         	Alpenliga       	 	5                  	8                  	8                  	16                 	4                  	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1994-95   	HC Bolzano         	Italy           	 	1                  	0                  	0                  	0                  	0                  	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
1994-95   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	48                 	32                 	38                 	70                 	37                 	 	12      	10      	5       	15      	6
1995-96   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	82                 	62                 	87                 	149                	96                 	 	18      	11      	12      	23      	18
1996-97   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	63                 	47                 	48                 	95                 	40                 	 	5       	4       	4       	8       	4
1997-98   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	77                 	35                 	67                 	102                	64                 	 	6       	4       	5       	9       	2
1998-99   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	81                 	44                 	83                 	127                	66                 	 	9       	5       	7       	12      	16
1999-00   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	63                 	42                 	54                 	96                 	50                 	 	11      	8       	8       	16      	6
2000-01   	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL             	 	81                 	52                 	69                 	121                	42                 	 	16      	2       	10      	12      	18
2001-02   	Washington Capitals	NHL             	 	69                 	31                 	48                 	79                 	30                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2002-03   	Washington Capitals	NHL             	 	75                 	36                 	41                 	77                 	38                 	 	6       	2       	5       	7       	2
2003-04   	Washington Capitals	NHL             	 	46                 	16                 	29                 	45                 	26                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2003-04   	New York Rangers   	NHL             	 	31                 	15                 	14                 	29                 	12                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2004-05   	HC Kladno          	Czech Rep.      	 	17                 	11                 	17                 	28                 	16                 	 	--      	--      	--      	--      	--
2004-05   	Avangard Omsk      	RSL             	 	32                 	16                 	22                 	38                 	63                 	 	11      	4       	10      	14      	22
2005-06   	New York Rangers   	NHL             	 	82                 	54                 	69                 	123                	72                 	 	3       	0       	1       	1       	2
2006-07   	New York Rangers   	NHL             	 	82                 	30                 	66                 	96                 	78                 	 	10      	5       	6       	11      	12
CZE Totals	CZE Totals         	CZE Totals      	 	223                	201                	170                	371                	30                 	 	19      	13      	9       	22      	0
NHL Totals	NHL Totals         	NHL Totals      	 	1191               	621                	907                	1528               	849                	 	159     	72      	94      	166     	137
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	                	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
(From Jaromir Jagr)
My changes that I prefer:
*Use "P" instead of "Pts"
*Link heading stats
*Use on dash instead of two
*Use same color in same season (it's not showed in Spezza version though)
Is Spezza's (my preferred version) better to use? --Hasek is the best 02:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I don't like any of those changes, well I suppose the two dashes doesn't make a big deal. But linking heading stats wouldn't be good because then you would have to link them all, it is an all or nothing thing and there really isn't any reason to link them. As far as the same colour for the years, the colours aren't to indicate years. They are to make it easier to read that line of stats. So that your eye can follow that line of stats across the screen easier. So for example if you had 3 teams in one year you would have a harder time going across the table reading the stats because all three rows were white. --Djsasso 03:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For heading linking I copy Spezza's heading then paste it on other NHL player articles with 50% width or no links. I do know it's easier reading with the rows, so how about this:
     	                	     	 	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	Regular Season	 	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs	Playoffs
Season    	Team                 	League    	 	GP                 	G                  	A                  	P                  	PIM                	 	GP      	G       	A       	P       	PIM
1998-99   	Brampton Battalion   	OHL       	 	67                 	22                 	49                 	71                 	18                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
1999-00   	Mississauga Ice Dogs 	OHL       	 	52                 	24                 	37                 	61                 	33                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
2000-01   	Mississauga Ice Dogs 	OHL       	 	15                 	7                  	23                 	30                 	11                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
2000-01   	Windsor Spitfires    	OHL       	 	41                 	36                 	50                 	86                 	32                 	 	9       	4       	5       	9       	10
2001-02   	Windsor Spitfires    	OHL       	 	27                 	19                 	26                 	45                 	16                 	 	-       	-       	-       	-       	-
          	Belleville Bulls     	OHL       	 	26                 	23                 	37                 	60                 	26                 	 	11      	5       	6       	11      	18
          	Grand Rapids Griffins	AHL       	 	-                  	-                  	-                  	-                  	-                  	 	3       	1       	0       	1       	2
2002-03   	Binghamton Senators  	AHL       	 	43                 	22                 	32                 	54                 	71                 	 	2       	1       	2       	3       	4
          	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	33                 	7                  	14                 	21                 	8                  	 	3       	1       	1       	2       	0
2003-04   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	78                 	22                 	33                 	55                 	71                 	 	3       	0       	0       	0       	2
2004-05   	Binghamton Senators  	AHL       	 	80                 	32                 	85                 	117                	50                 	 	6       	1       	3       	4       	6
2005-06   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	68                 	19                 	71                 	90                 	33                 	 	10      	5       	9       	14      	2
2006-07   	Ottawa Senators      	NHL       	 	67                 	34                 	53                 	87                 	45                 	 	20      	7       	15      	22      	10
NHL Totals	NHL Totals           	NHL Totals	 	246                	82                 	171                	253                	157                	 	36      	13      	25      	38      	14
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                     	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
However the only problem is that when Spezza switched leagues we need links to the different league seasons or there'd be no point to the NHL seasons linked. I like the links for easy reference. Besides, if a non-hockey fan read a page they'd think "what does "G" mean?" Links are there for the article, Goal (ice hockey) so that is my excuse of keeping links. I'm off for the night btw. --Hasek is the best 03:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I still think you need a year listed for every line. There is no good reason not to do that. I do understand why you want to link. But for example. You have G, A, P, PIM linked....so the question automatically pops up well what is GP? (thats what I meant about linking them all. I didn't mean player pages) I don't really think non-hockey fans would really be an issue. That being said if you all feel that is an issue we should go back to having a small legend below the stats and have the words in that legend linked instead that way you can also write out fully Games Played since there is no article for it. --Djsasso 03:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Is there a reason for using Pts instead of P? Am I forgetting some other hockey stat, or is it just done to separate it from the P in GP? Also, using two dashes looks more obvious than having just one, imho (it gets a bit small). Could also have some longer dash, but I guess there are standards for when using those. More importantly, I would like the European league abbreviations to be shortened in some standard fashion. That is however another topic (see above). --Bamsefar75 10:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason that I am aware of. I just assumed it was cause it was more obvious than just a P. --Djsasso 14:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I might know how to keep the aligning colors white to grey. We put the first season like any other then for the rest of the same seasons we push out the seasons to the right, something like this:
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Season    	Team               	League    	 	GP                 	G                  	A                  	P                  	PIM                	 	GP      	G       	A       	P       	PIM
2002-03   	Binghamton Senators	AHL       	 	43                 	22                 	32                 	54                 	71                 	 	2       	1       	2       	3       	4
2002-03   	Ottawa Senators    	NHL       	 	33                 	7                  	14                 	21                 	8                  	 	3       	1       	1       	2       	0
2003-04   	Ottawa Senators    	NHL       	 	78                 	22                 	33                 	55                 	71                 	 	3       	0       	0       	0       	2
NHL Totals	NHL Totals         	NHL Totals	 	246                	82                 	171                	253                	157                	 	36      	13      	25      	38      	14
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
          	                   	          	 	                   	                   	                   	                   	                   	 	        	        	        	        	
The way to do this is by using the | ALIGN="right" | before the season. --Hasek is the best 20:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't have a problem with that, it doesn't look too bad. My only question is why the desire to change. The status quo seems to be working quite fine since it was finally implemented. Aweful lot of work going to change a few thousand pages to just indent some years. Lots of other more important things that could be done with that effort. I guess what I am getting at is what is the benefit we gain by this and is it worth changing everything. --Djsasso 21:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...And if this table is set I guess I'll work at it. I don't know about you but at least 80% of my edits will be devoted to stats. --Hasek is the best 21:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only reason I ask that is that a bunch of people would have to turn their sights onto the task because the idea behind this whole page is so that all hockey pages are consistant so we would need to go at it all at once to change them all fast. --Djsasso 21:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is going to be fun... --Hasek is the best 22:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I actually cut the stats from hockeydb.com and then paste into excel and then cut from excel and paste into a webpage that converts it into wiki format. I have my own personal template made in a text file that I just paste the wiki cells into and then copy and paste the colours....only takes me less than 2 minutes to do unless the player has played for a million teams. --Djsasso 23:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's so neat! I always had to do it manually; I was wasting my time especially spending a good 45 minutes on Randy Cunneyworth. Do you have the URL for the site? --Hasek is the best 01:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now be aware that you can't cut directly from hockeydb and paste into this website. You have to paste it into excel in one big chunk. Then you highlight the whole chunk and paste it into this webpage. It is not as pretty as doing it by hand as it will put each years stats on one line. (The visual on the page however is still exactly the same). Anyways the page is. http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~sdouglas/table.cgi. --Djsasso 01:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I should warn you the header and footer will be wrong in what is presented to you. I just cut the year stats and paste them into the middle of my template that has the proper header. And the totals you will have to adjust slightly to be like our template. But all in all its alot faster than what you have been doing. --Djsasso 01:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to install excel though right now. --Hasek is the best 01:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find the cd so my dad will have to bring the only copy back to me tomorrow. --Hasek is the best 01:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, sorry guys, since I didn't know there is a machine for stats, I wouldn't have gone on ranting like before. For convienence only, stick to the standard but still put in NHL seasons if you can. If you don't, somebody else will do it sooner or later. This also goes for the "Pts". Stick with this, I'll use links for the header if you guys don't want to do it. Again, the links are for handy reference. Oh yeah, I haven't tried the machine yet, I will soon. --Hasek is the best 22:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks big time Djsasso, now I can do tables without them seeming like a chore. Btw I'll keep the Pts as it is, but I'll still link them. --Hasek is the best 23:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah it should be the name of the team the player played for. --Djsasso 03:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. GoodDay 20:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a way it's tough to decide but it does make sense to put the old name. Besides, at least it links to the new name. I was responsible for doing this to a couple but now I understand. --Hasek is the best 22:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stat tables 

message: A few days ago I saw someone changing Mighty Ducks of Anaheim to Anaheim Ducks in a stats table. The player played for the Ducks during the 90's. Even though the team changed it's name last season the player never played for the Anaheim Ducks. He played for the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. I reverted the edit and that was correct, right? Just want to sure what the guidelines are. --Krm500 03:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it should be the name of the team the player played for. --Djsasso 03:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. GoodDay 20:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a way it's tough to decide but it does make sense to put the old name. Besides, at least it links to the new name. I was responsible for doing this to a couple but now I understand. --Hasek is the best 22:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ducks 

message: What's the policy regarding all the trades and transactions a player has gone through?  Is a separate section necessary?  They seem to be applied inconsistently.  For example, Grant Fuhr has one but Kimmo Timonen doesn't. Schmloof (talk) 19:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have a policy on them  really, ideally they would be incorporated into the prose of the Playing Career section. -Djsasso (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't want all details of trades and signings in the playing career section. We have a transactions section on teams and leagues so as long as you use it appropriately (it's a list so it goes after the prose sections) it's a useful addition. Alaney2k (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trades would belong in the playing career section as that is where you would describe that they have switched teams, that is actually the exact type of thing you want to see in the playing career sections. Every single demotion and promotion to/from the minors is different and I don't think needs to be mentioned on a player page at all. -Djsasso (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The prose is better without the complete details. E.g. exact dates. Those are better in a list format. I agree that demotions aren't important. When a player changes teams as a free agent, that's the sort of thing for Transactions. It becomes tedious reading to recount details of trades, etc. in a playing career section. I'd rather focus it on details of the playing, not the changing of teams. "Player X had his best season with the Team Y in the 1992–93 seaons with 45 goals and 90 points." For the trades, mention them in a writing format, not a recitation. E.g. "After being traded to Phoenix in 2008, Jokinen had his best offensive season with the Coyotes, scoring 90 goals." For historical players, its easier to provide cites for the transactions as a whole. So you can just list Source: below the list. Alaney2k (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that is pretty much what I meant by include the trades in the playing career section. "After being traded to Phoenix along with Joe Smith, Jokinen had his best offensive ..." I didn't really mean the nitty gritty details, thats best left for team season pages etc. -Djsasso (talk) 00:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trades/transactions

message: I've added a proposed guideline for player page sections. I think it is a normal part of an encyclopedic-type article and it should be optional, and used only where it makes sense. Alaney2k (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really against having this sort of section, but I feel things like transactions should just be incorporated into the prose of the playing career as that is what the transactions affect. What is going to happen if we have an actual standard in place for these sections is that we will just get a list of transactions which isn't really the way it should be handled as most of that information isn't relevant to the actual player's bio and is more relevant to the team's season page. (ie who he was traded for). -Djsasso (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like usual you disagree with me. I'll just abbreviate that in mobile-speak as LUUD from now on. Does that work. :-) Seriously though, I've noticed that a large amount of articles just regurgitate the transactions instead of talking about the playing career. I'd rather that be discouraged, and I hope that a simple list section at the end with some guidelines would make for better prose. Alaney2k (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You do know people don't always have to agree with you. It's just I have been through this discussion a few times is all. I am not sure what you mean when you say regurgitate the transactions. Because thats what I think when I think of a list at the bottom of the page. And as I noted above I am not against a section like you are proprosing. I am just saying I would prefer sentences describing it in the prose instead of a list. -Djsasso (talk) 17:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best prose includes all aspects of someone's career, at least all major aspects. Trades are essential information, as they are the link between prose paragraphs. If you're talking about player-x and his career with team-x and then start talking about his career with team-y, the prose becomes choppy and confusing to the reader. I have some bias here, but it seemed to work fine when I wrote Eric Brewer (ice hockey) by incorporating transactions into both the prose as well as a list, and I really like how it turned out. I think something like what's there works fine; you get a little list at the end of the prose if someone doesn't want to read through the article to find when, where, and whom he was traded with; however, if you do want to read the prose, you won't have to stop and look at the bottom of the page to see how he got from Team-A to Team-B. In a nutshell, I think it's important to have both, same sort of deal with the awards section. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The one thing I think everyone can probably agree on is that transactions should only include trades. -Djsasso (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say trades, free agent signings, and waiver pickups. Really should show how he wound up at each team he wound up on. – Nurmsook! talk... 18:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that's what I meant. I meant that we shouldn't include call ups and send downs etc. -Djsasso (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-signings and dollar figures. Re-signings are routine and should be omitted. It's kind of implied in what Nurmsook said above. I put that in the proposal. While it may be reported that a player has signed for X dollars, I am undecided in the value of including the dollar figure. The dollar figure might be a new record. It seems to be too much, unless it is a record. I've not put in a sentence, but maybe we should. Alaney2k (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In rereading what you have again, I might suggest removing the retired on info as thats not really a transaction and will more than likely be covered well in the prose above. -Djsasso (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are we using Scott Walker as the example? He's not retired & is currently playing with the Hurricanes. GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transaction Guideline 

message: Now pardon me if I am suggesting this in the wrong place, but shouldn't the measurement system used in a players country of origin be favoured in said players article? As in American players getting their height and weight done in imperial first with metric in brackets, with the reverse being the case for a Russian or Swedish player. The way it seems to be right now, with imperial measurements favoured over metric in all articles about ice hockey players, regardless of the nationality of the player in question, is strange. This is of particular importance as this is something that differs even between English speaking nations. 81.231.145.180 (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately this is something that would have to be standard, one way or the other for all articles. And even in lots of countries that do use metric as the main standard, they tend to talk about height and weight of players in imperial. Canada is a good example of this, we do not use imperial but when talking height and weight of hockey players we do. -DJSasso (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Beyond that, this does remain the English Wikipedia, and the system used by the preponderance of readers of the particular articles should apply.  If Canada used metric measurements when discussing hockey players, if the UK and India cared enough about hockey, matters would be different.    Ravenswing  18:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player measurements 

message: Wowsers, this sub-branch of WP:HOCKEY seems to have been abandoned. GoodDay (talk) 05:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost town 

message: I was going to updated a couple of goaltenders whose teams were knocked out of the playoff and was going to make sure the format for the table was correct and then found out there isn't one. I saw further down in the thread that there was talk about making a standard but did anything come from it? Are we looking to keep it like the skaters format or different like Roberto Luongo or Tim Thomas who both have 2 seperate tables for regular season then playoffs? Any ideas? ♣ B2project ♣(Talk) 06:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goaltender stats tables 

message: Is there a guideline anywhere for when to include a player's time with an AHL team in their infobox? I don't see anything under general player article guidelines. Earlier today I removed Doug Jarvis's 24 games with Binghamton from his infobox, as it was the tail end of his career, and to me insignificant to an understanding of someone who predominantly played in the NHL. A career AHL'er, I could see inclusion. For future reference, what's the dividing line on this? Echoedmyron (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of AHL teams in Played For parameter in infobox