Talk:Peter Beter

message: A lot of work needed to make this article NPOV. I will make a start, but does anyone else want to participate? Itsmejudith 15:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, interesting topic. Addhoc 20:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I am removing the statement insinuating that Beter predicted the 9/11 attacks.  Provide a reliable source that someone holds this belief.--Dcooper 16:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm not saying he predicted it but the relationship is still very interesting to mention. It's incredibly hard to say-judging from this info-that all this is mere coincidence and nothing is connected. Grandia01 16:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going through and formatting the refs, but it appears many of these are not reliable sources.  I will look at the references in more detail and see what parts of the article meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and can remain in the article. --Aude (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched the NY Times historical archives, Google Books, EBSCO databases other such library sources that would normally have material on a person of that time period, if he was notable.  I'm coming up empty, aside from one letter to the editor (doesn't quite meet our standards for sourcing) that he wrote and his book.  These sources are inadequate, and I'm not satisfied with the web links provided either that they meet our sourcing standards.  I don't think this person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, nor are there enough reliable sources to support the article. --Aude (talk) 17:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: on this link, http://www.arcticbeacon.com/confessions/30-Apr-2006b.html. arcticbeacon.com is a famous conspiracy theory website, even conspiracy theorists like alex jones refer to it sometimes. you will see a mention dr peter beter that also discusses his role of opening the fort knox scandal. it also mentions that he is a roman catholic(i wish i knew that before so i can include it) in addition, on amazon.com books, you will see a link to his book, http://www.amazon.com/conspiracy-against-dollar-spirit-Imperialism/dp/080760710X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7363080-6001551?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178320708&sr=8-1, conspiracy against the dollar, which has the isbn# 080760710X. i hope you know now that peter beter is not a fictional character. but if you browse the web, 90% of conspiracy theorists don't have much material that relate to their lives or backgrounds in general. i think its too much to assume that such sources are not reliable.if not WAY overrated...Grandia01 23:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WTC prediction

message: How are these not reliable sources? -Eep² 18:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One is a primary source posted on what I guess is a fan site.  Primary sources are discouraged as you can read about here.  One of the sources is a mirror site of Wikipedia (answers.com).  One of the sources is Cosmicawareness.org which does not meet the criteria for WP:RS.  As for this link , it might be acceptable.--Dcooper 18:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Primary sources (though, not really since it's a fansite) are acceptable in establishing a common fact. Simply look at the first and last released audio newsletter (transcribed into text on the site) and see for yourself. That link is ONLY used to establish the 1975-1982 date of Beter's audio newsletters. Answers.com is NOT a mirror site of Wikipedia; it also includes other information not on Wikipedia. Plus, it is only used as further reinforcement of what is on allmusic.com. Why don't you research the sources before immediately preaching WP:RS? It gets tiring... -Eep² 18:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If his audio tapes are important, you can find a better source.  I'm not convinced that allmusic.com is appropriate.  Answers.com is not at all appropriate.--Dcooper 18:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go nuts--and what's wrong with allmusic.com and answers.com? Who are you to decide what's appropriate? -Eep² 03:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you carefully read our verifiability policy. Addhoc 17:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copied from [[User talk:Dcooper]]

message: Regarding the Bob Dobbs reference, there is a question about this "Bob Dobbs" (who I've seen referenced as "Bob Dean", "Robert Dean", and even "Bob Marshall") being the figurehead of the Church of the SubGenius, let alone having met Beter. See a recent deletion review of "Bob Dobbs" I proposed. Dobbs/Dean/Marshall also claims many other meetings with famous people since his 1922 birthdate (which would make him 84 years old, despite him actually looking much younger). Granted, these are worth investigating on their own, but I feel the reference is questionable thus far, considering my recent research into Dobbs/Dean's credibility on the alt.slack newsgroup. I have yet to verify his connection to Beter other than his own diary (which you referenced). I believe there needs to be some other reference besides Dobbs/Dean's own diary. -Eep² 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: I removed a reference to his religion from the lead.  If it's just some email somebody received, it certainly shouldn't be there.  Moreover it's hard to see what relevance his religion might have. --Tony Sidaway 02:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Religion often has a great relevance on one's life and actions...the Crusades, anyone? Regardless, I agree the statement needs a better source than just "some email"--c'mon, Grandia; you know better than that... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 03:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree with ∞ΣɛÞ², religion is a very important concept throughout history.i mentioned this exact comment on Tony Sidaway's talk page but he deleted it for being "dubious"(!!!) anyways sorry for being so naive by adding this from an email,i'll try to search for more secondary sources for more info about him,i guess www.newspaperarchive.com is a good place to start. thank for your comments and contribution to this page ∞ΣɛÞ²;and try to be less paranoid Tony Sidaway.Grandia01 03:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Grandia01, we cannot state that Beter was assassinated (by whom?) without reliable sources.Proabivouac 05:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Proabivouac,i already corrected thatGrandia01 07:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that, thanks.Proabivouac 08:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assassinated?

message: The second sentence says that Beter ran for Governor, but doesn't mention which state this was in. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governor of which state? 

message: ben kımım  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 (talk) 12:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ben kımım 

message: sds  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  serhat taş 

message: *http://www.torindiegalaxien.de/erde10/juden-semiten.html
*http://hatonnspeaksthetruth.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/on-“reptilian”-shape-shifting-and-the-hatonn-ra-connection/ --Getürkt (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:   Hatonn, Gyeorgos Ceres 

message: This article states:
[begin quote] Beter was known for his highly controversial claims, some of which included allegations of conspiracy in the highest political positions; Beter claimed that:
Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the Kennedy assassination.[16]
Several important public figures such as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and Jimmy Carter are actually dead, and are being impersonated by organic "robotoids".[17][18][19]
Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after the Hearst newspaper chain published secret Congressional testimony. This testimony revealed that America's atomic secrets were handed over to the Soviet Union - not stolen by Soviet spies, before America's first atomic bomb was finished, and that the Rockefellers were directly involved in this plot.[20][21][22]
The CIA was responsible for the secret death of General George Scratchley Brown because he simply knew "too much".[23]
The Jonestown massacre was staged to camouflage a joint U.S.-Israeli military operation to destroy a Soviet missile base in Guyana. The Jonestown incident explained the movement of U.S. military personnel into Guyana and concealed the real count of casualties from the attack on the Soviet base.[24]
Particle beam weapons and other advanced aerial weapons under secret development had the power to change the weather. Both the U.S. and the Soviet Union had developed such weapons.[25] [end quote]
Controversial implies that something causes controversy, that is, debate. Beter's claims are obviously absurd and baseless. Even Peter Myers, an Australian right-wing author who believes in some conspiracy theories and publishes a website , once said to me when I sent him Beter's materials "I cannot use materials like Beter's without evidence, please don't waste my time with this stuff" and dismissed Beter as a crackpot. Calling Beter "controversial" implies some people respect him and his ideas, and I do not think that is the case. He was basically a demented idiot, just like Eustace Mullins, although we cannot say it in those exact words in the article, I think calling him "controversial" it to charitable. RandomScholar30 (talk) 05:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controversial" Claims