Talk:Limes (Roman Empire)

message: I fail to see the point in this discussion: applying a modern term to a Roman building and then speculating how the Romans might have felt about it.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nafiris (talk • contribs) 17:34, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology and sentiment

message: Hello John, thanks very much for fixing my spelling errors. Nice catch. As a sort of aside, you also fixed the Latin as though it were English, which is not a correction. The plural of limes is limites. The stem is limit- in Latin rather than in English. The Romans would have used the plural there. In English we never translate limes as limit but always as frontier or boundary, unless it meant path. The Romans did not have any LIM and certainly no boundary theory. It is a matter of usage. We use it one way, they used it another. Same word. I realize I should have put the Latin in Italics so you could be clear on it. I've gone through there and fixed some of your fixes. Thanks for the spelling check.Dave 17:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John's spelling corrections

message: I just discovered both articles today, but this seems like a logical move.  The Borders article needs some cleanup, and it would be vastly improved by the inclusion of the content here. Dppowell 20:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Borders article 

message: The Limes were a system of border defense, and weren't implemented along the entire length of te borders. It is a separate concept. The articles should mutually link, but not be merged - PocklingtonDan 21:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disagree with merge

message: If you are going to distinguish limes from limen, then you should not claim that eliminate is derived of limes. The form clearly comes from the genitive stem of limen: limin(is). 66.75.246.15 23:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limes vs Limen 

message: : Hello! I went to the national competitions for JCL (America's Junior Classical League) a long time ago in high school, but mostly for derivations (top 10, but not top 3!), and I have not studied Latin since, although non-fiction writing was my career. I do see that the problems you point out are likely largely correct from the viewpoint of 2nd-century usage and more specific than I could point out. (It's a great compliment to your work above that I'm commenting at all, because the pain part of my chronic illness is acting up. Fortunately, I'm not passing out!)
:The root of the problem is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the term was appropriated, in the decline of the Western Empire and/or by later historians to mean something different than it would have in the 2nd century. If that is true, we need to draw a line between contemporary 2nd century usage, later (when?) usage, and cover both in separate sections.  
:What you call original research might actually be from older, publicly available sources and thus apply towards a decent Later Usage section, if it is verifiable and can be looked at from the viewpoint of temporally focused historians. There's got to be a better way to phrase that, but hopefully you see what I mean. 
: I suggest using the box Template:Multiple issues with Template:Original research and some others at the top, and then Template:OR (the inline tag for original research) and others (see navbox right above my signature) throughout. With that guidance, I suggest working out a general restructuring on this page, then placing the current info within that structure in a a Wikipedia sandbox or on the article page, and then carefully seeing what can or cannot be supported, being careful of older, publicly available sources as being likely out of date with modern scholarship. 
: Deleting or gutting the article is tempting and would be easier, but would only leave little behind to work on or to prompt others to work on. That's why tagging with templates came about, although we should still delete instead of tag using templates if it's warranted. I have gradually gathered a lot of tagging & info navboxes (navigational boxes) towards the end of my user page, User:Geekdiva. 
: By the way, I couldn't check that all images had alt text for accessibility for the vision-impaired. See Wikipedia:Alternative text for images.
:This is an important article for understanding Roman history (Portal:Roman Empire might be able to help; oops, I meant WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, which you probably are already a part of), but unfortunately all I can do is ask or suggest this. My real-life limitations are getting in the way of doing this myself. If someone works on this, would you use the notification system to please let me know when it's done or you want my opinion on something? I'm very interested, although I truly can't be relied upon, as I explain on my user page. 
: This took me a while and I got distracted a lot, but hopefully there's something useful here. Thanks in advance! — Geekdiva (talk) 10:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   Well, I'm sorry to have dragged you out of your sick bed, but this article has not improved since September 2015, when I posted my objections about it.  Definition of the subject of an article is the most basic requirement; however, this article still doesn't state what the ancient Romans called the border fortifications which moderns call "limes".  None of the undocumented ("original") research has been either documented or deleted.  So, it is apparent that I will have to clean up this article myself.  I'll put it on my (very long) "to-do" list.  But when I start deleting undocumented statements, I don't want some administrator complaining that I'm vandalizing the article.  Wikipedia incessantly demands that content be verifiable.  This article clearly violates that criterion.  Presently the article consists mostly of a lot of tedious and largely irrelevant material about the etymology of the word limes.  People who access this article expect to learn:  when the first limites were built, by whom, for what purpose, how they were built, how extensive did they become, how effective were they, etc.  I'll start researching the subject, with the aim of revising this article extensively.VexorAbVikipædia (talk) 11:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply with restructuring suggestions & list (navbox) of inline tag templates

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The IPA phonetic representation for the word "limes" is representing the pronunciation of the plural of lime (i.e. limes) in English, instead of Latin.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velteau (talk • contribs) 01:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA 

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message: I'm struggling to see a difference between walls and limes. In particular, for categorisation purposes, is there sufficient distinction (or indeed volume of articles) to justify the continued existence of separate tree structures for Roman Walls and Roman Limes? Some are common to both (e.g. Hadrian's Wall); some are walls but not limes (e.g. Aurelian Walls); some are limes but not walls (e.g. Limes Tripolitanus). Could they be merged into something called :Category:Roman walls and limes ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Limes as a topic is kind of a disaster.  Per this article and this one, it means "military road", "border" or "frontier district" and not the fortifications that were constructed there. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walls vs Limes 

message: Is there a serious reason we're giving only the yokelish "lymeez" pronunciation?  Every time I hear someone do something like that to Latin, I cringe.  I would think a lot of people would be apt to approximate something closer to an actual Latin pronunciation, as "leemess" (or perhaps a variant like "lihmess", or "leemehz", etc.), the more so the more they are exposed to languages like Spanish (the most common second language among native English speakers) and Italian.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  16:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lymeez" is, I think, the standard pronunciation in the English legal profession. See you in court! Narky Blert (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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message: Dear all,
The Erfgoedhuis Zuid-Holland, a Dutch heritage organisation, made some 200 images on the Dutch part of the Limes available on Wikimedia Commons. The images depict Roman re-enactment scenes, artifacts, and some digital reconstructions of Roman buildings. A subset of this collection comes from the image library of the Dutch National Antiquities Museum, which recently made its images available under a CC-BY license. The entire collection on Wikimedia Commons can be accessed here, the sub-collection from the antiquities museum can be found here.
Regards, AWossink (talk) 11:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The German Wikipedia version of this article is more complete, so some material from that could be copied into this article (by someone more knowledgeable than I). See https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limes_(Grenzwall) . Acwilson9 (talk) 04:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Wiki "Limes" material to incorporate: New images of the Limes in the Netherlands on Wikimedia Commons; German Wiki article; etc. 

message: Hi there, someone may want to add this rather excellent clip:
Alternatively or in addition, the German voice could be changed for English audio, if preferred. English subtitles are included (and Latin). Jim Killock (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Video of Limes

message: I suggest that this Limes article is deleted and made a redirect to Borders of the Roman Empire which covers the same subject and where the texts should be merged. The title would make more sense and clarity in English.
I know this was discussed in 2007 but I think it is still important and should be reconsidered. It would also resolve a lot of the confusion over the word "Limes" discussed above as "Borders" has the same meaning as "Limes" and has a clear English meaning.  Rjdeadly (talk) 16:56, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to and merge with [[Borders of the Roman Empire]]