Talk:Jim Leavitt

message: What about George Kiefer? -- œ™ 10:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt this is still an issue, but Leavitt is in-fact the only football coach in USF history. Kiefer on the other hand is a soccer coach.--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 03:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Soccer.. Football.. what's the difference ;P -- œ™ 08:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only head coach 

message: I am assuming that this information is the cause of the protection, however the current wording is terrible and needs some reworking. I suggest changing the current, 
*"On January 8, 2010, it was reported that according to an on-line report that resulted from accusations that Leavitt had struck a player, the school has terminated his contract and he will not coach the Bulls next season," with
*"On January 8, 2010, the University of South Florida terminated Leavitt's contract and he will not coach the Bulls for the 2010 season. The termination resulted from accusations that Leavitt had struck a player."
I think the sources are very clear on the fact he was terminated, and he was accused of hitting a player. None of this violates BLP. And since this will be a high traffic page, we should at least write the sentence in proper English. Angryapathy (talk) 19:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responsible for partly writing the sentence, a slight rewording perhaps is needed, but I feel that presently the basis of the comment is conservative and fine, the fact that is desired to add is that he has had his contract terminated and is therefore guilty of the assault, earlier the citations were mixed as regards this issue, perhaps he has had his contract terminated but what for, perhaps he is leaving by mutual agreement, it is weak and we should be careful not to infer things as regards this until it is clear, for now reporting conservatively is plenty. Off2riorob (talk) 21:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, this is a direct quote from ESPN: "South Florida fired football coach Jim Leavitt after a school investigation concluded he grabbed one of his players by the throat, slapped him in the face and then lied about it.". I think that leaves nothing to be inferred. Angryapathy (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, well, we gain nothing by rushing to include dramatic content, we should comment conservatively, especially as this is breaking news. Off2riorob (talk) 22:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The link you gave me is to a video and when the video starts the first comment is... that they let him go and it continues the cause is not going to be the incident but that he had directed people to change their stories, so it is not so much the incident but the cover up Have a listen.Off2riorob (talk) 22:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was fired, if you want to butter up the term, whatever. They cancelled a multi-million dollar contract with him and he no longer works for the school.  Hence, fired, and the term is used in a source. And you are right, they seem to be pointing the cause of the firing to the cover-up. How about we say, "On January 8th, 2009, the University of South Florida terminated its contract with Jim Leavitt. The university concluded that Leavitt directed others in the program to change their stories regarding Leavitt allegedly assaulting one of his players in November. Leavitt has repeatedly denied the charges." Angryapathy (talk) 22:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: That is no better, if as you say (which I find difficult to believe, that he had a multi million  contract.. these things are not done lightly, to terminate somebody's multi million contract you need a strong case, you could unlikely do this for a coach slapping a softmore, to explicitely terminate a million dollar contract you would need a very good reason. Lets not get excited, an encyclopedic comment is in order here and if the college or the subject clarify the exact details we can go with them. You want to add that he assaulted the softmore and for this exact reason he has been fired and found guilty of assault and has had his multi million dollar contract terminated, I want to be a bit conservative in what we report about the coach as he is a living person and what is the value in asserting things that at present are unclear. Off2riorob (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Can you also present the supporting citations. Off2riorob (talk) 02:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Inserted above ... also, Carl Franks has been named interim coach, per  Blueboy96 02:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Well to me it seems a bit excessive, the assault was a slap only, your comment really makes him look as bad as possible, if you have a look and listen to the two videos here you get a different story, where the school says how good he was and how sorry they are that this has happened and the other one talks about how it  was not the slap but the attempting to cover it up that was the issue, have a listen..when I read your comments I get the feeling that he is to be charged by the police or a civil suit for assault, I prefer to be a bit cautious in my additions. Also is there really a need to mention the name of the player, he isn't notable is he. Off2riorob (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: What is the need to name the not notable player? Off2riorob (talk) 03:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess because it's been mentioned all over the press ... but then again, since he isn't a starter, maybe we can leave the name out.  How about that? Blueboy96 03:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't mean it rude but your version to me is like something I would find in a local low grade sports page, I like to write a bit reservedly but that is me, I don't think we need  detail all the details of the assault like the grabbing by the kneck, to me it is a bit excessive and not really encyclopedic, I am going to leave you with it as I have to go offline, perhaps you will come to something between your desired edit and my trimmed down version, anyway thanks much for rolling back. Off2riorob (talk) 03:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this, then?
On January 8, Leavitt was fired after an investigation by USF officials found he'd struck a player in the locker room during halftime of USF's game against Louisville on November 21.  USF also found also revealed that Leavitt had lied about his actions that day, and had also tried to interfere with the investigation. The Tampa Tribune reported that school president Judy Genshaft and athletic director Doug Woolard felt they had no choice but to fire Leavitt after he refused to admit he'd done anything wrong.  Running backs coach Carl Franks has been named interim coach.  
Short and sweet, I think ... Blueboy96 03:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I have disabled the protected edit request for now, because (a) it is not clear from reading the above what is being requested and (b) if there is consensus for it. Please continue to discuss and replace the request when you have consensus. You are free to contact the protecting admin to request a reduction of the protection level. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I have no objection to Blueboys tweaked version. I also would support a move to semi protection. Off2riorob (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I've reduced protection to semi. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Toddst1 (talk) 19:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horrible wording left on page due to protection 

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