Talk:SummerSlam (2007)/Archive 2

message: I've heard in multiple interviews that Triple H has mentioned his return at least before Summerslam, and I know it's not relavant enough to add to the article, but does anybody know if Triple H is suppose to appear on that? -- Kings bibby win 08:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, nobody knows for certain, and nobody will know until he actually appears, so nothing should be added.  Even if it's announced he will return on a certain date, it should not be added, because something might happen to prevent it (e.g. a re-injury, travel problem etc). --Dave. 11:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think we should add "Triple H will return at SummerSlam" on the article. Even if he is going to return, that's not important to the article. MITB LS 18:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It an official thing pertaining to SummerSlam, it stays.-Hornetman16 (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it is relavent to the article, as it is stated on his superstar page at WWE.com that he will return at Summerslam.--Keano62871 11:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: This is an encyclopedia, not a newswire. When he returns (if he returns, his legs are very fragile) even then it will not be notable. We can't have every PPV article saying "this was when this wrestler returned from injury" every month, especially as there is a list of injured wrestlers at the moment. A mention on HHH's article will be enough. Darrenhusted 12:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's encyclopedia too.--Hornetman16 (talk) 20:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If you were going for "it's encyclopedic too" then I'd have to say it isn't. How can an announcement which will not be relevant in a month's time be encyclopedic. A statment like "HHH returned from injury at SummerSlam 2007." in HHH's article is encyclopedic, any mention here is not. Darrenhusted 12:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not encylopedic now, or ever. It's news which will date. This is not a newswire. Darrenhusted 21:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the information about that the event sold out in 40 minutes encyclopedic? In my oppinion, thats news too! So if you would remove everything thats news, the article would be nearly empty. I agree that the info should only be added in the Triple H article, but the argumentation with the newswire is ridiculous. Diivoo 11:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The article is locked for a week, so come back in 7 days. Darrenhusted 22:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple H 

message: Jackass will not be at Summerslam, due to the recent death of Chris Benoit Steve-o has cancelled his appearance and Bam suffered an injury and will not be able to make the PPV. Originally it was to be Umaga vs The Jackass members/crew, but now WWE is promoting Jeff Hardy vs Umaga for Summerslam. 
Due to this I believe The Poster should be removed because WWE has announced a Match for Summerslam and has put up a link without a promotional poster and starting with all PPVS after WM 23, the PPV promo poster has always been the main image/headline not the main event match.
Also All Jackass references should be removed.
:Unless reliable source has that written, it will NOT be removed.--Hornetman16 (talk) 23:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PWRshow.com-- bulletproof 3:16 18:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe in the Wrestling project we only add or take away stuff bassed on information actually from the company.--Hornetman16 (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: And we're arguing on this subject why? THE BOTTOM LINE IS: Policy say we can't add or take away things not confirmed by either US Television or THe company it's self. In this case WWE.com or the Corporate Web Site. PERIOD!!!!!--Hornetman16 (talk) 19:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything further will end up in a LEVEL 1 SPAM WARNING.--Hornetman16 (talk) 19:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it happened. The affiliates page just released the new poster. I reduced its size for WP:FU reasons. -- bulletproof 3:16 18:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That plus TMZ.com is also reporting no Jackass at SummerSlam this year. -- bulletproof 3:16 18:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind providing a direct WWEAffiliates URL to the poster? Because it's not in their image library on the site, where every other poster is. Pretty sure that's a fake poster occupying space on the page right now, considering posters from WWEAffiliates don't look like that with the rounded corners on them. Only posters from iNDEMAND have that rounded corners border on them, and the iNDEMAND page for SummerSlam doesn't show that picture.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.173.154 (talk • contribs) 
I removed it until there is a link provided.--Jwein 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackass at Summerslam Cancelled/ All References should be removed (the poster) 

message: In the September 2007 issue of WWE magazine, the first advertisement in the magazine, is the Umaga, and all of the Jackasses buried in the sand. I thought they were to remove all mentions? --User:Atomic Religione
The magazine was printed before they cancelled the Jackass involvment. The magazines were probably already printed and therefore they couldn't remove those advertisements. SAH-DennyCrane 10:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackass advertising 

message: Should it be included in the article that there was originally a poster featuring Umaga and Jackass that was scrapped? Tywddle 20:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Posters for events, movies, and such change all the time. Its no different here really.-- bulletproof 3:16 20:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't really help matters that WWE.com currently doesn't have a SummerSlam page up. Steveweiser 00:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they do, here. Stormin' Foreman 00:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: They just don't have a wallpaper up yet. Darrenhusted 01:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poster 

message: Please can someone update the poster for this PPV.
It has just been released by WWE: http://cramnetwork.com/ss2.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crayola0606 (talk • contribs) 
:It needs to go through the process of being uploaded. Darrenhusted 21:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New poster for Summerslam 

message: === Matches ===
As far as I'm aware of, no matches have been anounced for Summerslam unless someone can prove me wrong (poster alone doesn't count). Otherwise the matches should be removed. Tywddle 21:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not been officially confirmed yet, either on TV or on the website. Steveweiser 20:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I really can't make out what you're saying. Darrenhusted 12:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: So you want to list a match that has been implied? Not gonna happen. Darrenhusted 10:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The match wasn't announced officially, but it might happen. On the August 3rd edition of Smackdown!, MVP and Matt Hardy faced each other in an arm wrestling match, and then a real one. I don't think we should mention this in the article until it is official.Vic93 02:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It might happen is not reason enough to list a match. Wait for an announcement. Darrenhusted 10:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's now gone. Darrenhusted 18:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not listed here , so it will not be added. Darrenhusted 08:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Hornetman, please stop being so uncivil and demanding. That demanding tone won't make anyone want to help you. Bmg916Speak 01:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I withdrawl the demanding tone, I sounded that was cause I was excited sorry. Anyway now Rey Mysterio vs. Chavo gurerro needs to be added.--Hornetman16 (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is only semiprotected. Any editor older than four days should be able to freely edit its contents. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, when I requested this it was fully protected.--Hornetman16 (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: There is a link at the bottom of the article for the official SummerSlam page, if it ain't on there then it can't be on here. Darrenhusted 10:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ziddio is an official partner of wwe. this is an official wwe video. so i think the match should be added. Diivoo 13:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Absolutely not. Must be on WWE.com or TV as said above, and about 10 million times each month. Gavyn Sykes 18:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why can't these people get it through their heads?--Hornetman16 (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is a link for you, is the HHH/Booker match listed there, if not then don't add it. If you already know the policy on this then why are you generating paragraphs of un-needed discussion. The match will be announced in due course, just wait. Darrenhusted 10:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If I were you I'd take a look at WP:CIVIL. Darrenhusted 19:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Matches

message: As far as I'm aware of, no matches have been anounced for Summerslam unless someone can prove me wrong (poster alone doesn't count). Otherwise the matches should be removed. Tywddle 21:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matches 

message: - World Heavyweight Championship: The Great Khali (c) vs. Batista. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.67.147 (talk • contribs) 
: Not been officially confirmed yet, either on TV or on the website. Steveweiser 20:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Topic 

message: on smakdown didn't mat hardy challenge mvp for the united states championship in a match where hardy choses the stipulation (probably ladder or tlc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.108.1 (talk • contribs) 
:I really can't make out what you're saying. Darrenhusted 12:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you want to list a match that has been implied? Not gonna happen. Darrenhusted 10:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The match wasn't announced officially, but it might happen. On the August 3rd edition of Smackdown!, MVP and Matt Hardy faced each other in an arm wrestling match, and then a real one. I don't think we should mention this in the article until it is official.Vic93 02:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It might happen is not reason enough to list a match. Wait for an announcement. Darrenhusted 10:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Matches 

message: when was it announced that a match between rey mysterio and chavo will take place at summerslam. was it announced or is this vandialism? Matt. August 1, 2007
It's vandalism, the page is locked for a week, so I'll try to get it taken off. Darrenhusted 18:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now gone. Darrenhusted 18:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not listed here , so it will not be added. Darrenhusted 08:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Hornetman, please stop being so uncivil and demanding. That demanding tone won't make anyone want to help you. Bmg916Speak 01:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I withdrawl the demanding tone, I sounded that was cause I was excited sorry. Anyway now Rey Mysterio vs. Chavo gurerro needs to be added.--Hornetman16 (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is only semiprotected. Any editor older than four days should be able to freely edit its contents. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, when I requested this it was fully protected.--Hornetman16 (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  matches 

message: Ziddio is a sponsor of WWE, or affiliate, and they are announcing HHH vs King Booker, which is a promo from WWE, not Ziddio, from WWE. To view the promo click here, so is this reliable enought to post as a match? --Truko9308 02:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a link at the bottom of the article for the official SummerSlam page, if it ain't on there then it can't be on here. Darrenhusted 10:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ziddio is an official partner of wwe. this is an official wwe video. so i think the match should be added. Diivoo 13:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Absolutely not. Must be on WWE.com or TV as said above, and about 10 million times each month. Gavyn Sykes 18:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why can't these people get it through their heads?--Hornetman16 (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is a link for you, is the HHH/Booker match listed there, if not then don't add it. If you already know the policy on this then why are you generating paragraphs of un-needed discussion. The match will be announced in due course, just wait. Darrenhusted 10:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If I were you I'd take a look at WP:CIVIL. Darrenhusted 19:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple H vs King Booker 

message: This article states that the tagline for the PPV is 'The party is over', but not once in the previous weeks SmackDown/Raw shows have they once used it. However, they often use the tagline, 'the biggest party of the summer', when talking about SummerSlam. Does anybody think this should be included in the article in some way?Ocelot 18:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They refer to the event in general that way just as WrestleMania is referred to as the "Grandest stage of them all". However that tagline was actually used for the 2005 SummerSlam, rather than the event in general.-- bulletproof 3:16 20:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagline

message: vs hornswaggle  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.142.218 (talk) 22:19, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
They didn't say that they would wrestle at Summerslam, they just said the match would take place in the future. The Hybrid 22:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  jamie noble 

message: Shouldn't the cancelled Jackass participation still be noted for historical purposes?  Early promitional material featured them.  The poster with the cast and Umaga was even shown here until the Triple H one was released, and the brief teaser video ad was aired a few times, and is even on the Vengeance DVD I picked up this week.  Sure it didn't happen, but it still noteworthy to document the publicized intention with as much as was promoted: "early promotional materials featured Jackass as being involved with the event in some capacity but was later cancelled before any details aside from their appearing were announced" seems fair to me CyclopsScott 23:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should. Jackass was supposedly the theme to it, but it might not be too relevant to the article though. It, although should be noted in the future trivia section. -- KBW1 05:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree..take this up with an Admin.--Hornetman16 (talk) 10:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No article should have a trivia section, and as for the whole jackass saga I suggest you RTFA. Darrenhusted 13:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now thats un called for. Aren't these talk pages here to improve articles. What you did was not improvement. -- KBW1 02:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Have you read the archives? If not then it was called for. Darrenhusted 14:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way he said it was "uncalled for". Have you read the Talk page guidlines? Be polite. -- KBW1 00:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I have to agree that it was pretty rude. If you had said the same thing in a nicer way, then there wouldn't have been any problems, but now there is an offended user, and rightfully so. The civility policy exists for a reason. This is a top ten website, so there will always be people around who aren't aware of past discussions that have taken place about a certain subject. You should get into the habit of dealing with it nicely now, since being nice is more efficient, and if you continue to be impolite, then you will be wasting a bunch of your time, and other people's time in the long run. Peace, The Hybrid 06:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said Hybrid. I shouldn't try to let it affect me though. I just don't want to have any problems and I want to try to keep our talk pages in order. Thanks. -- KBW1 05:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackass involvement 

message: Hasn't that match been announced for SS yet? --Endlessdan 19:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe tonight. TonyFreakinAlmeida 20:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MVP vs. Hardy

message: Tell me someone did couln't have noticed that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.137.5 (talk) 01:03, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:Notice what? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CM Punk vs John Morrison 

message: SuperSonicTH 03:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for Khali/Batista? 

message: This rivalry has been going on for over a month so it still may be added at the last second.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.172.61.190 (talk) 23:28, August 22, 2007 (UTC) 
* It could be a dark match. --Roxy 00:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Boogeyman vs Big Daddy V 

message: We should add a trivia section, i have the first point! it would be about how HHH and Mysterio won in similar fashion, both their opponents executed their finisher on their challengers but they kicked out of the pin AND well, both returning Superstars won.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristoCracker (talk • contribs) 10:45, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
Trivia sections end up filled with fancruft, so i is best to not have them. What you suggested would count as fancruft, so that proves my point. Cheers, The Hybrid 14:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.... That's also not trivia, or even really remotely close to being trivia. TheJudge310 23:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: There is info in Cena's article about his signature polarized chants at PPVs, but it doesn't belong in this article. It is notable about Cena, but since this is just another PPV where people hated Cena (like the two preceding WrestleManias) it isn't notable to this article. The Hybrid 01:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Jackass? Should not it be noted about how they were formely scheduled to appear? -- KBW1 02:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the archives there is a discussion showing a consensus to not include the Jackass information. While I personally don't agree with it, a consensus is a consensus :(. Peace, The Hybrid 01:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Should we mention they were supposed to compete in the battle royal but never did.Anormalwwefan 19:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering, you present a valid source stating they were supposed to be in the Battle Royal, it's still not notable enough to incldude into the article. -- KBW1 03:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Maryse and Cherry

message: The SummerSlam page says: "...William Regal...arranged for a Battle Royal among all WWE Divas..." So should we leave out the individual names? Stormin' Foreman 02:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WWE.com has announced which Divas will participate. If more are announced, they will be added to the article.-- bulletproof 3:16 02:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the graphic shown towards the end of RAW during the rundown of SummerSlam matches, Kristal was shown as one of the participants. Should she be added now? Or should we just wait until the match happens at this Sunday? Virakhvar321 05:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diva Battle Royal

message: why does it say ""afterwards, austin delivered a stunner to mvp". The contest never even started.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.10.84 (talk) 10:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
Yup  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.87.26 (talk) 12:52, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
your right  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MC RIDE (talk • contribs) 17:13, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
The results page on WWE.com lists Steve Austin as defeating MVP. Technically, the contest never happened, and technically it wasn't even a sanctioned competition (there was no referee, and, more importantly, no rules or established way to win), but I think we should go with what WWE.com says, and list it as Austin defeating MVP. Calgary 04:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was supposed to be a drinking contest and we know the rules (WWE had one before, at SNME with Austin and JBL). However, this one never even started. TJ Spyke 00:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: austin/mvp

message: The tagline for the event was "The Party is Over", as seen on the promotional poster. Just because it wasn't once mentioned on T.V. doesn't mean it's not the tagline. Some examples of this would be Armageddon 2006 and New Year's Revolution 2007, the tagline for Armageddon was "The End...Is Only the Beginning" and the tagline for NYR was "The Revolution Continues...", yet neither of them were once mentioned on T.V.. --  Kip Smithers  23:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was "The Biggest Party of the Summer", which was used every single time Summerslam was advertised  --Maestro25 18:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: And why can't we just list both? Like on the WrestleMania X page for example Mark handscombe 13:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds good to me. The Hybrid 08:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagline 

message: Let's reach a consensus before this gets out of hand, please. Gavyn Sykes 21:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a big deal to me, but selling out in only 40 minutes seems notable to me. TJ Spyke 21:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hooray!  Another edit war involving Monnitewars! It's sourced. It's not a problem. It should stay.  GaryColemanFan 22:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with. KipSmithers T/C 22:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It's trivia and violates WP:TRIVIA.--Monnitewars (talk) 22:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it counts as trivia. I suggest you don't revert again Monnite, you have reverted 3 times and the next time could result in a temporary block. TJ Spyke 22:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it does.--Monnitewars (talk) 22:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The least that can be taken out id the 40 minutes part which I'm doing.--Monnitewars (talk) 22:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The selling out in 40 minutes part is the notable part. I hate to say it, but you've violated the 3RR now (partial reverts still count as reverts) since you've reverted 4 times in the last 24 hours in what is clearly a content dispute. TJ Spyke 22:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:TRIVIA isn't a hammer you can use to knock your argument home with since it states "avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts" - this isn't a list of facts, it actually follows the policy and incorporates it into the text and is thus in accordance with all policies and guidelines. So I'd advice you to do two things - read the policy and learn what it actually says before using it as a (failing) argument. MPJ-DK 03:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that WP:TRIVIA even says: "This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. - If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all." and "This guideline does not suggest omitting unimportant material. - This guideline does not attempt to address the issue of what information is included or not — only how it is organized." (not that both apply, just that most people only seem to read the first sentence of that page). TJ Spyke 03:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is that as well, most people actually miss that one too as they tend to delete even list trivia - so that's a very good point to remember. I think someone is clearly wrong and should leave the article alone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPJ-DK (talk • contribs) 07:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sellout Date

message: Hi there, i started to write a detailed report, but because english is not my native language, i guess, i made some grammar/spelling mistakes. so i would appreciate it if someone could read through it and correct my mistakes. I will finish the report tomorrow, maybe you can give me some feedback. Diivoo 21:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Report