Talk:Xorn

message: I really don't like how for behind the scenes info about Xorn all that is provided is a link to the "Planet X" article.  This article shouldn't be just an attempt to portray the comtemporary interpretation of who and what Xorn is in the form of fictional biographies; the behind the scenes info is very important regarding the development of the character.  Something should be added about the whole "Who is Xorn" debacle.  WesleyDodds 03:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article should be cleaned up, but most of the controversy stems from the Planet X storyline. It probably wouldn't have been retconned like it was if Magneto's behavior wasn't so extreme. --DrBat 16:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: I've started revamping the article to better illustrate the character's alterations in real life.  I've found a few sources for the various explanations behind Xorn (, ) and any more would be welcome.  WesleyDodds 01:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please include those in a References section. (And I'm glad I'm not the one trying to figure it all out - thanks.) CovenantD 01:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now I'm just including the links in the article and plan to turn them into citations later when I have more time.  however, if anyone else wants to go ahead an do that, that would be grand.  WesleyDodds 01:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Additional reference: the Xorn bio at Marvel.com , a Lying in the Gutters column on the subject , and another Grant Morrison interview  WesleyDodds 05:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work. It actually makes sense now. CovenantD 06:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you still need this? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 16:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can upload it that would be grand.  WesleyDodds 17:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image:Magxorn.png --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 12:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp 

message: Wesley, I respect you mightily, but you are clearly biased in this matter, and incorrect about putting another Grant Morrison statement about his "intent" at the end of the body of the article that sums up the current state of Xorn. It should be removed altogether, but I think we can all compromise, and put it in the body of the "Return of Xorn" section, where it belongs. Even there, having two whole quotes from Mr. Morrison about his intent seems needless. Morrison isn't referring to the preservation of his own creation, Xorn, but to his destruction of a long-standing, classic and much beloved character, Magneto. This is unusual, to say the least! Moreover, if you had every creator's intention listed at the end of every article on these comic book characters, you'd have articles a dozen pages long. Claremont intended for Mr. Sinister to be a little boy pretending to be a man, he intended Maddie Pryor to be a woman who happened to look like Jean Grey, not Jean's clone -- you can cite these trivia facts in either the body of the article were it is pertinent, or in the trivia section. But citing quotes from Claremont at a comicon today, or even worse, at a panel from a rival comic book company, where he is insisting that he still refuses to accept Mr. Sinister is a Victorian era scientist, and Maddie is a clone of Jean, would be silly. In fact, it would be silly of Mr. Claremont to be still insisting on it. And the only reason Mr. Morrison still does it, is to stir up trouble; he was on the Wildstorm Panel, not a Marvel panel. It has been two years after he left Marvel. It is definitely not the stance of Marvel that Xorn was ever Magneto, and it hasn't been for over two years. 
Moreover, you need to make it clear throughout, that just as many readers, maybe even more outside the small band of internet Morrison fans, found many reasons why Xorn could never have been Magneto, and posted these as well. Marvel did nothing strange or unethical when they brought back Magneto; he's their character. Morrison left Marvel, unexpedtedly, they didn't fire him. He was playing in their sandbox, with their characters. I can see him complaining about what happened to his concepts in the first few months after his departure; but in truth, in his earliest interviews he is complacent about the subject. It's a year later that he starts getting snippy, and seems to delight in stirring up controversy for Marvel, making remarks about Xorn, and his intentions for Magneto. What he said two years later, at a Wildstorm panel, really isn't relevant. But like I said, since it's important to you, I'm willing to compromise and put it where it belongs. 
Oh, and reverting text of articles -- you've done it twice now. You feel strongly about this issue, and I can sympathize. But you should try to avoid reverting. I respect the fact that you've compromised with me and others already regarding the text of this article. But I'm not the only one who has been trying to move this second Morrison SDCC quote. While I don't think it's trivia, like I said, it doesn't belong in the body of the article either. Maybe there should be a separate section for these comic book characters about the "intent" of the creators and writers. But the "intent" is not the publishing history. In a way, it is triva, but I can see how the word "trivia" would upset some people. It would upset me, too.- Myst3 12:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Revamp" and the Writer's Intent

message: Why was my bit about how he was able to impersonate Magneto given he has a star for a brain deleted? Fil-mex91 16:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It had nothing to do with section, and asked a question that really didn't need to be asked.  WesleyDodds 10:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers

message: If Xorn now has the powers of every mutant who lost their abilities during M-Day, does that mean he's able to instinctively drive any kind of vehicle? 68.199.34.30 10:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.199.79.168.160 21:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: He has the energy-manipulating powers. I think he might have Razorcock's power, though. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Razorback

message: Split. Michael Pointer is set to become the new Guardian, and he's a separate character from Xorn, so he deserves his own article.--Gonzalo84 01:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split discussion

message: Uh, I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade but isn't including this
article in Wikiproject Buddhism a bit of a stretch?
Will we add EVERY single fictional character who is (nominally) "Buddhist?"
Zero sharp 19:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kuan-Yin is the name of an important deity in Chinese Buddhism. I suspect someone's bot got confused. (Also, Kuan-Yin is female. I don't know why Marvel used the name for a male character.) 99.226.239.5 (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject Buddhism?

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message: I find it odd/interesting that with all this retconning of Xorn, no one has pointed out that they basically did the same thing with the Joseph (comics) character.19:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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