Talk:Beer pong/Archive 1

message: Do not re remove those stubs. There is no advantage for removing those sections just to comply with Wikipedia:Good articles. The whole purpose of the stubs being there is to show that we do need content there. That should be our immediate focus to fill out those sections. Since i dont WP:OWN this article, I wont lose sleep whether or not its listed under good articles. --Larsinio 20:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Impact on college and highschool culture

message: DO NOT ADD UNREFERENCED VARIATIONS BASED UPON YOUR SCHOOL. If a particular variation is popular, it needs to be referenced. try using [http://www.nbpl.net/rulesno.html this site to help. We are trying to make this a wikipedia:featured article and its important that we maintain references.. --Larsinio 20:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should all variations be taken out completely? Every single one of the variations are uncited. Furthermore, this article should be focusing completely on Beer Pong itself and not different styles of playing that very few actually play. sharpdust 14:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Particular school rules

message: Me and my friend (who has written a 30 page manual on beerpong) are going to be completely re-organizing the article. And definately add in some diagrams. 
However, I firmly believe that Paddle beer pong should have its own article. Like what I tried to do with dartmouth pong, paddle pong should just have a brief introduction to the rules and then go its own main article. All we need to do is come up with a name, and i can go ahead with this small move (which will happen before the complete cleanup and improvement). I will be sandboxing this in User:Larsinio/beerpong . if anyone is eager to help with this big improvement (a push to FA really), talk to me and we'll get serious --Larsinio 17:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Its unfortunate no one replied about my upcoming major cleanup. Heres the plan. I plan on making one of those nice templates for the series of drinking games with links to the different variations. Its gonnab e nice. But this article is going to be expanded ot hte point where its gonan be necessary for Paddle Pong or Beer pong (paddles) is its own article. Id reccomend with teh name Beer Pong (paddles). Please weigh in
Article expansion details: Detailed rules and variations, Diagrams of table with preferred dimensions and so on. List of ettiquette rules. analysis of different shot variations, with a diagram showing the shot arcs for each. Variations of beer pong etc. --Larsinio 19:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Major cleanup

message: Why does Dartmouth Pong get its own section?  Are we going to make separate sections for every school that has its own variant of pong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wxlfsr (talk • contribs) 
I believe Beer Pong is a different game from Beirut, so that Beirut might merit its own page, but I'm not sure. (I've never played either game, but I've had the distinction between Pong and Beirut explained to me.) Am I correct in saying that Beirut is a different game and merits its own page? Mike Church 13:14, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dartmouth Pong 

message: I went to school in the DC area, and we always called it beer pong and never used a paddle. I visited Cornell, Maryland, and Va. Tech, and they all called it beer pong too. I think the "Beer Pong is with paddles, Beirut is not" is not accurate.
Also I don't think that Matthew Atwan's "Notable Event" belongs here, unless people post similar records at their schools - I'm sure schools have all kinds of records like this. Maybe there should be a separate list for records at various schools.
Awiseman 21:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some issues with this page 

message: The NYTimes recently ran an article about Beer Pong and Beirut, interesting to add to links if someone wants to: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/national/16games.html?hp&ex=1129435200&en=562392f92a6a286c&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Also, they stated "sometimes called Beirut for some reason", and a friend of mine posted something people from Beirut said after being taught the game:
"I met some people from Beirut, and explained the game to them...not even knowing about it or the rules..they right away know why its called Beirut. They automatically knew it represented the "bombings" from East Beirut to West Beirut and vise-versa when they were at war in the 70's."
Interesting history!
:it says in the Wikipedia page why it's called Beirut Awiseman 14:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone just changed "Beer pong" into "Beirut" again: we should finally solve this enormous problem. Extremely sexy 14:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is it called Beirut 

message: I wish people would stop changing the definition of the games - in some places "Beer Pong" is the game without paddles, just throwing it, whereas in other places "Beer Pong" means using paddles. Just because in your town it's called "Beirut," it doesn't mean it's that way everywhere. Awiseman 14:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer Pong/Beirut 

message: Are all the 20 links notable?  If there are no objections, I'll remove all non-notable sites after a week. -- Perfecto 04:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link overload 

message: Whoever did the cleanup, it's really good, the page looks a lot better and is more organized. Awiseman 18:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Youre welcome. I'm mwaiting for a friend of mine to help me out with pictures.. Pictures i need (if you want to help)
* Side view pictures of different shot techniques in motion (time-lapse if possible)
* overhead view/diagram of beer pong playing field
* Good beer pong action pics
* a picture of the standard 16 oz cup.
--Larsinio 18:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: excellent cleanup.  (thanks for keeping my referee pic) Amit 05:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Its getting there. We need a shitload of references however, in order to become a featured article. IF you can supply good side/perspective view of games in motion than help me out. We also need a seciton on how peop[le create their own beer pong tables, adn the tpes of crazy varations people will make such as makign a fotobal themed table with field goals. --03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It was the only picture i found (which actually I found by accident) that shows an overhead/good perspective4 view of a game in motion. Please upload more suitable pics if you can (dont overwrite tho, as this picture is still interesting!). i also need pictures of like crazy different tables --Larsinio 21:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great cleanup 

message: I'm not sure we should have the high schools and colleges section in the article, since soon enough we'll probably have a ton of each listed. I think this section should be deleted and possibly converted into some other article, "High schools and colleges where beer pong is played." Even that is sort of pointless though.  Awiseman 22:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THats not my intention. The whole point is on the impact of highschool and college culture that beer pong has played a role in. I.e. need some references maybe about a school cracking down on a dirnking game, or this drinkign game becoming a problem for a community, or how colleges have embraced beer pong with school sponswred water pong events. IM just speculating, but im sure its out there --Larsinio 22:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that makes sense. Maybe you should change the titles then or remove the sections altogether until you find something about that then, otherwise people who don't read the talk will just add their own place. Awiseman 17:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High schools and colleges 

message: This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because some of the sections are stubs.  Also, the TOC is huge and the authors might consider merging some sections.  A few more references would help a lot as well. Worldtraveller 00:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article removed from [[Wikipedia:Good articles]]

message: DragonWR12LB added a poster from Art.com of ten cup. Is this picture really necessary? First of all, it's a commercial poster which I'm not sure is allowed due to copyright. Second, it adds no effect to the article that the other images haven't already done. Finally, the poster features the tag line "Heroes are made one cup at a time," which seems to suggest a POV that being good at beer pong makes you a "hero." Whereas there is no mention that becoming a hero may also involve you severly intoxicated after playing many games. Sharpdust 17:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this poster because all the places that I play beer pong this poster sits on a wall somewhere, it isn't that important to the actual game itself but more of the social position. If you want to remove it I don't care I just thought it would be a good addition because so many people who play beer pong have this poster. --DragonWR12LB 18:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again this information must be verified. I know personalyl ihave never seent his poster. I mean this poster could be used to help desribe beer pong as a cultural phenom, but I believe it may be a possible copvio. If you have good reference about this post being commonly used in places that play beer pong then we have no problem using it. But we all appreciate your eagerness to help. Be bold!--Larsinio 19:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the picture the copyright info is on the page accompanying so I don't think copy vio is a problem. --DragonWR12LB 05:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I highly object ot the poster being used, especially as a lead image, considering that it may be a possible copyright violation. It is better being used in the impact on culture section, especialyl cionsdierign tahts a typical college-dorm like poster. --Larsinio 20:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have listed the image as a  / fair use disputed work. It may be deleted. Considering this i picture of commercial artwork, I am pretty sure it will be deleted. --Larsinio 21:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I included all the necessary information about copyright. Anyway the image is very crisp and clean and works well for a lead image, however I picture of a true beer pong game with standard rules might be better, the 600 cups is a rare variation and more common game pictures should be at the top. If a better picture is found then the poster would be great at the impact on culture section. DragonWR12LB 07:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art.com Poster 

message: Why is the geographic perspective tag on here? I think we should remove it, is there a good reason not to? --Awiseman 18:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic perspective? 

message: I think the "game variations" section should be moved to a new page. Most are referenced and it makes the article very long. --Awiseman 18:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --larsinio (poke)(prod) 18:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --Awiseman 19:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game variations needs separate page 

message: I'm not arrogant enough to assume that Dartmouth is more notable than every other college in america, but I think this comes under the worldwide view criticism raised above. The game that this article is describing is called "Beruit" by the majority of its players. Pong with paddles (at dartmouth and elsewhere) is referred to as pong. Obviously more people play beruit than pong but do more people refer to beruit without paddles as pong than with paddles? Beer pong honestly refers to basically any game involving paddles and beer.
:Yea, New England calls it beirut.  the name is much better, as it immediately differentiates between Beer Pong (paddles) and Beirut.  alas, this so called "logic" is confined mainly to new england (and also, i suppose, the north east).  I know very few people outside of these 6 or 7 states that call it beirut.  another example of new england simply being better, i suppose. 82.82.169.103 09:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, buddy, chill - we're on the same side.  Due to the general public's utter lack of logical thinking skills, the game in question has begun to be referred to as "beer pong," despite this making no sense; this leaves only the more cognizant sections of the country (i.e. New England) to refer to it by it's proper name.  As you see, this point is alluded to in my origninal response (well, hell, it's more than an allusion - I straight out said it), but the finer points of "comprehension" might have eluded you.  Bottom line: though it is unfortunate, common usage means that the bastardized name of "Beer Pong" must be used to refer to a game which should rightfully only be called "Beirut."  82.82.175.70 12:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We just call it pong here

message: I enjoyed reading this. Very informative and interesting. I cleaned up some of the language, and I removed the geographic tag as inappropriate, but did very little. I've nominated the article as a good article. SilkTork 13:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

message: :* ==foo missing closing ==
:* Inconsistent use of  in conjunction with the  low-level section titles. I assume this style is used instead of ==foo== in order to keep minor subheadings out of the index? DMacks 16:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes otherwise the TOC would be way tooo long . --larsinio (poke)(prod) 13:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There are header messes here

message: Why do we have a section on Impact on High Schools on this page.  I think this should be more on a teen drinking page considering that it has very little to do with beer pong specifically.
:Anonymous - because it happens in high schools. We need more content on it, but it happens. --Awiseman 15:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact on High Schools 

message: I say we take out Battleship, Surprise, Full Contact and NBA Jam and add them to the beer pong variations page. The article is pretty long as it is, and those seem like less popular variations. --Awiseman 17:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: I don't know where this came from, but I say we take it out, or at least make it a new article. It's pretty long, and who knows if that group is notable or what. Thoughts? --Awiseman 22:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Beer Pong Assocation rules? 

message: I think the photos we have now are fine, but User:Joedoubt22 disagrees, posting a photo with the caption of "Beer Pong Legends.", clearly a vanity photo of him or his buddies. The other photo shows the game better, and it's about to go into a revert war. Anybody else have an opinion? --Awiseman 21:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I also think the other photo of the guys shooting is better than yours, as you can see the technique better. If you have any better photos though, feel free to add them --Awiseman 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I'm working on Beer pong variations and have a quandary  - what do you all think about the games that say "created at Such and Such University." Should we google them or delete them? If they're all kept, this list could get very long very fast, as I'm sure each school has their own slight variations. --Awiseman 19:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beer pong variations]] question 

message: In a lot of places in this article, it lists regional variations - are these really necessary? Usually they're unsourced and in some cases the sources are just a website where you send in your own rules - that hardly makes it a reliable source. --Awiseman 19:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virginia rules, New Jersey rules etc 

message: What the hell? I've never heard of something as silly as that...--Ioshus(talk) 20:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  on fire?