Talk:The Commission (American Mafia)

message: The Commission was probably established during conferences in New York and Kansas City in 1934. The Atlantic City Conference and Meetings 1931 constituted arrangements leading to the formal establishment in 1934. (Source: Nelli: Organized Crime)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.70.171.106 (talk) 13:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Atlantic City Conference

message: The title of this article should be made 'The National Crime Commission', to distance it from the EU Commission. Seutonius 17:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that would confuse it with the "National Crime Syndicate," which, if it ever existed, was separate from the Commission that ruled the nation's Mafia families. The M in Mafia needs to be capitalized, by the way. --Mantanmoreland 20:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: I think an article on the Commission is a good idea, but I have a problem with the statements made about Lansky and Buchalter being on the Commission. What is the source of that? The article does not cite its sources and has no bibliography. I think that it should not be hard to cobble together sources for most of the article but I'd caution to be careful about adding in fifties-era references to a "national crime syndicate" whose very existence is questionable.--Mantanmoreland 18:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: I set two flags on the article, because it should be properly sourced. While there is a long list of books quoted at the end, it is unclear how they are related to the content of the article. Since the inner workings of the Mafia are not exactly a public affair, its even more important to only put verifiable properly sourced facts. It should be made clear from which source each of the statements was taken so that reader can verify it.
Also, the ganglands.com site is a self-published source, which only be [with caution] in Wikipedia articles, if at all. Averell (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Commission members
*1931–1932 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Conservative faction members – Vincent Mangano, Joseph Profaci, Joseph Bonanno, Tommy Gagliano and Stefano Magaddino
**Liberal faction members – Charles "Lucky" Luciano and Al Capone
*1932–1936 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Conservative faction members – Vincent Mangano, Joseph Profaci, Joseph Bonanno, Tommy Gagliano and Stefano Magaddino
**Liberal faction members – Charles "Lucky" Luciano and Paul Ricca
*1936–1947 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Conservative faction members – Vincent Mangano, Joseph Profaci, Joseph Bonanno, Tommy Gagliano and Stefano Magaddino
**Liberal faction members – Frank Costello and Paul Ricca
*1947–1951 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Conservative faction members – Vincent Mangano, Joseph Profaci, Joseph Bonanno, Tommy Gagliano and Stefano Magaddino
**Liberal faction members – Frank Costello and Tony Accardo
*1951–1957 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Liberal faction members – Frank Costello, Albert Anastasia, Tommy Lucchese and Tony Accardo
**Conservative faction members – Joseph Bonanno, Joseph Profaci and Stefano Magaddino
*1957–1961 — "Seven crime family bosses"
**Liberal faction members – Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Tommy Lucchese and Tony Accardo
**Conservative faction members – Joseph Bonanno, Joseph Profaci and Stefano Magaddino
*1961–1962 — "Nine crime family bosses"
**Liberal faction members – Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Gaetano Lucchese, Tony Accardo and two new members Detroit family boss Joseph Zerilli and Philadelphia family boss Angelo Bruno
**Conservative faction members – Joseph Bonanno, Joseph Profaci and Stefano Magaddino
*1962–1963 — "Nine crime family bosses"
**Liberal faction members – Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Tommy Lucchese, Tony Accardo, Joseph Zerilli and Angelo Bruno
**Conservative faction members – Joseph Bonanno, Joseph Magliocco and Stefano Magaddino
*1963–1965 — "Nine crime family bosses"
**Members – Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Tommy Lucchese, Joseph Colombo, Tony Accardo, Joseph Zerilli, Angelo Bruno, Joseph Bonanno and Stefano Magaddino
removed this list it is unreferenced. --Vic49  (talk)  22:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commission boss list 

message: This article states that the Commission was created to replace "the old Sicilian Mafia regime of 'boss of all bosses' and establish a rule of consensus among the crime families." However, this is contradictory with related articles. I don't have access to the source that is cited, The complete idiot's guide to the Mafia By Jerry Capeci, but I have observed that in the articles Capo_di_tutti_capi and Mafia, it's specifically disavowed that Capo di tutti capi was a position. It's described as a media invention without meaning or parallel in the Sicilian Mafia.
It seems the articles should be updated to reflect a consistent position or the title and whether it existed should be dealt with as a controversy. I don't know what specific edit to propose here as I'm not knowledgeable myself and especially since this article so strongly predicates itself on the position existing and being the inspiration for the body for which it is named. Perhaps it is better understood as simply that the Commission was conceived to avoid one person becoming too powerful and destabilizing the system.
FergusV9S (talk) 00:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capo di tutti capi: Inconsistency with other articles 

message: I have been reading a bunch about the Mafia here on W and in the section titled "The New Mafia structure" in Castellammarese War, the winning boss declared himself a new position of Capo di tutti capi, if I have the Italian title correct, making himself Boss of all bosses.  He was murdered before a year had passed, by some disgruntled upstarts, and the new boss created the Commission.
Then I saw the "Pre-Commission situation" in this article and it sums up the pre-Commission situation to be that the Capo di tutti capi position is the way it was (for much more than part of one year), a position in common existence, to use my words to sum up what I read.
Someone in a position to access reference materials and with a better grasp of this history than I should align this article's section with the other article's section, or vice versa, as the facts dictate.  As it is, these two summaries are in disagreement. Lytzf (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you be able to provide the sources yourself? If you can provide them I might be willing to craft the content within Wikipedia's style protocols. Jeremy112233 (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 History/1.1 Pre Commission Situation