Talk:Kang Sheng

message: Can Mr Adam Carr stop his stupid action of deleting my contribution? He should pay more time on my grammatic problems instead of deleting other's contribution.Or he should spent more time on studying the history of CPC. For example, when Kang went to Moscow, he was sent as delegate of CPC in Comintern, not to study security.Cna Mr Carr be more modest and tolerable?He can spent more time on correcting my grammatic problem instead of boasting about his contribution of more than 10000 articles.
I protest about his being rude and intolerable.
When you stop trying to insert a large number of unsourced and unformatted photos into the article, I will stop being intolerable, OK? Also, please SIGN YOUR COMMENTS or I won't bother talking with you further. Adam 12:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That Kang and the system were "devils" are not generally accepted facts. Even among people who hold such views, "devils" would sound like angry rhetoric, not serious history. People who do not hold such views (myself included) would regard such terminology as just flat wrong. Everyking 02:25, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This section needs more references; much of it seems to be based on questionable sources such as Jung Chang’s Mao The Unknown Story.DOR (HK) (talk) 08:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Before joining Mao

message: Is there any source to cite for the second paragraph of this section? DOR (HK) (talk) 02:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it has been long enough with nothing more than "citation needed." I have removed the section and will post it here, in the event anyone has any sources. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: Had Kang not died, he would certainly have been removed from power along with the Gang of Four (Jiang Qing and her associates) after Mao's death. In a secret speech delivered in 1978, Hu Yaobang (who became CPC General Secretary in 1981) compared Kang to Soviet secret police chiefs Felix Dzerzhinsky and Lavrenty Beria. He was posthumously expelled from the Party in 1980, and his remains were removed from Babaoshan Revolutionary Cemetery in Beijing, where the remains of many prominent CPC leaders are interred.
In contrast to Dzerzhinsky, who was a pious believer in communism and who lived a very simple and modest daily life, Kang lived an extravagant and corrupt lifestyle. As the best calligraphist among senior leaders of CPC, as well as a painter, art and antique connoisseur, poet, and historian, Kang had a great appetite for valuable Chinese antiques and used his power to embezzle many from the Forbidden City and from the storehouses of the Cultural Relics Bureau during the Cultural Revolution, a fact uncovered only after his death. According to the audits by the Chinese government and researches by the Japanese, Kang Sheng was both the very first millionaire and the first multi-millionaire in China, based on the value of artifacts he owned (or more precisely, robbed and stole) in 1970s price. Furthermore, it was rumored that he had kept an affair with the sister of his wife Cao Yi'ou for quite a long time, and he built several villas for their rendezvous.
:The "secret speech" by Hu Yaobang referred to above was, it appears, either a (whole or partial) forgery OR a speech delivered by someone else and mistakenly attributed to Hu. It was published on Taiwan: a PRC transcript/text has never been seen or cited by anyone. People who worked close to Hu at the time and whom I spoke to about this later, in Beijing back in 1988, told me as much, emphatically. Villa Giulia (talk) 20:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: I've removed several blockquotes and incorporated the content into the main text, to make it less of a MacFarquhar book review. DOR (HK) (talk) 10:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wang Li fansi lu is a useful source on Kang.Villa Giulia (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted ref to Kang as being made head of Central Party School in 1959: if that's what MacFarquhar said in org. source/ref, then he got that wrong.Villa Giulia (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Villa Giulia, do you have a source on the Central Party School slot?DOR (HK) (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: My information is that Li Weihan was president of the Central Party School (中共中央党校 located, at the time, in 延安城东桥儿沟) until Kang Sheng took up the post in March 1938, and that Kang only held it until September that same year 1938, when he in turn was succeeded by Chen Yun. See Wang Jianying, Zhongguo gongchandang zuzhi shi ziliao huibian lingdao jigou yange he chengyuan minglu (1995), page. 427. Deng Fa did not become president until December 1941, succeeding Chen (same, p. 551), so I'd say the WIKI fact "slot" is incorrect.Villa Giulia (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Our article says Li Weihan ran the Ruijin-based CCP CC ‘Marxism and Communist School’ in 1933-35, and that it was renamed and moved to Yan’an in 1935 and placed under the direction of Dong Biwu (1935-37) and later Li Weihan (1937-38) and Kang Sheng (1938-39). Chen Yun isn’t listed at all. I’m not saying the article is flawless, but we should reconcile the two. DOR (HK) (talk) 06:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Marx School of Communism in Ruijin was set up on 13 March 1933 with Ren Bishi as the first president, later succeeded by Zhang Wentian. Li Weihan did, from what I can see, not hold a position in the school and certainly does not appear to have "run" it. The school will have folded when the Red Army left on the Long March, but that it "moved to Yan'an in 1935" cannot be correct, since the CCP leadership did not settle in Yan'an until mid-January 1937, having first been based in Bao'an after concluding the Long March. Once the school - now the Central Party School - was revived, in the winter of 1936-37, it seems, Dong Biwu became the first president, succeeded by Li Weihan in May 1937. All of this information comes, again, from the revised and expanded edition of Wang Jianying, quoted earlier.Villa Giulia (talk) 07:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to our article Long March, the 1st Red Army reached Yan’an  in October 1935, the 2nd Red Army a year later, and remains of the 4th Red Army sometime between those dates. So, it is entirely possible that the school “moved to Yan’an in 1935.”DOR (HK) (talk) 06:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blockquotes 

message: The article is beginning to look more and more like a biography, rather than a conventional WIKI entry about a historical figure.Villa Giulia (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FORMAT 

message: I have not found any evidence that Kang was CCP Vice Chair prior to the 9th National Party Congress ... i.e., 9 Oct 1959 and after. Nor is he listed at that time in our Vice Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party article. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  CCP Vice Chair ?