Talk:Training Day

message: I read this Wikipedia article like a year or two ago and it was great -- it talked about the LAPD's Rampart scandal and how Denzel Washington decided to grow a goatee to look like Rafael Pérez, the central figure in the police corruption case. Now, all of that relevant and interesting info has been removed and a huge, lengthy summary of the entire plot is here. Why? This article sucks now and doesn't even mention any connection to the real-life events that inspired aspects of this great film. You know, maybe when an article is good, you can try to keep it at that standard instead of letting people remove whole sections and add cliff notes. This article reads like a 3rd grade book report. Bring back the old content that people took the time to research and source -- this is one of the things that really frustrates me about Wikipedia. This movie has been out for years and little if any new information has come or is coming out about the film. There is no reason I should come back here and see a radically different, poorer quality article. Sometimes I think Wikipedia should pay real editors to oversee content. Awful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.207.235 (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Took time to research and source?" I checked and it was not cited; that's why it was removed. I have found a citation and added it back. Connor Behan (talk) 02:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: These new revisions suck

message: There seems to be way to much unsourced apparant OR in the "Best Actor Academy Award controversy" section. Could someone knowledgeable please source it or delete it? 84.238.28.62 23:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR 

message: Does anyone know what kind of shotgun is used in the film?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by STiLL DRE (talk • contribs) 02:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Jmg38 (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shotgun 

message: Why is Alonzo considered a villain?  It seemed to me like he was a good guy.  Alonzo Harris is no more of a villain than Severus Snape is.  Or Han Solo.  Or Robin Hood.  Come on now, what are you people thinking.  71.228.50.12 (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You don't seem to get the point of the movie.. He killed the drug dealer Roger not to get the the money he owed the Russians. He was a crooked cop. He killed Roger without provocation, he stole evidence, he routinely broke the law, the implication was the he used his position as a law enforcer not to uphold the law and make LA a better place, but to make his life comfortable. 70.73.59.208 (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would agree that Alonzo was a villain, but I can see why some people might argue otherwise. He was crooked to the core, no doubt, but he perceived that he was doing good, by fighting an underworld he believed was depraved. He is not all that different, really, from some "heroes" in other films (like Dirty Harry, for example). The difference is that the movie itself seems to present him as the villain. In short, whether a character is a hero or a villain has a lot to do with the movie's point of view. (Han Solo, Robin Hood, and Severus Snape are poor examples, firstly because the systems they defy are far more corrupt than the one Alonzo Harris works in, and secondly because they have some standards--they don't believe the end justifies the means.) marbeh raglaim (talk) 13:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  Murdering some Russian because he couldn't control his temper. Murdering Roger to try to get away with the first murder. Attempting to have his new partner murdered to cover up the second murder. That pretty much says villain to me...Christopher White 1982 (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I think this is the important part about this character and the movie.he is neither a villain nor a good guy!maybe even once he was like Jake but people like Roger put him in wrong way and he lost his way of being a good cop.Sure he done terrible things in the movie but from his talks you can find out that he had some good things in him one day...--WikiBahal (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Alonzo is definitely the antagonist/bad guy. He does not do or think he's doing the right thing. He misuses his position in the LAPD, his size, demeanor etc to get what he wants. He is highly selfish, intimdating to his colleague and easily meets the ASPD criteria. Jim Michael (talk) 03:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villian? 

message: Having found the article Alonzo Harris, I suggest it be merged into this page. We generally only have separate articles on particularly important fictional characters, where there's so much to say about them that they need their own page; that's not the case here, where all the information on Alonzo can be included in this article. Please discuss this merge below; if no one objects, I will carry it out myself. Terraxos (talk) 16:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the proposed merge. If the character was is more than one movie, or had an existence outside Training Day, he might warrant his own article, but that is not the case. --Evb-wiki (talk) 18:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge.  Character is not notable outside this singular movie, and does not warrant his own in-universe article. WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge Kuralyov (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: While the Rampart Scandal was about CRASH anti-gang units, and Training Day was about narcotics agents, it is hard not to see the movie as being heavily influenced by the Rampart Scandal and the LAPD culture it exposed. When Alonzo's team invades the house and finds the money, they seem to be operating just like a CRASH unit. If anyone has more info about whether Fuqua or anyone else commented on a connection between the movie and the scandal, it should be included in the article. Of all the odd things, I was not aware of the Rampart Scandal until I saw info about it on the Cellular DVD, but even though Cellular involved corrupt cops, it seemed to remind me a lot more of Training Day than Cellular.John ISEM (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to the Rampart Scandal 

message: This article says "Alonzo visits his wife Sara (Eva Mendes) and their young son."  Sara is not Alonzo's wife.  She is one of his mistresses.  
In a deleted scene, after they leave Sara's apartment, Jake asks Alonzo, "What about your queen?"  Alonzo says, "Sara's my princess."  
When Jake remarks "I like her.  She's a really cool lady," Alonzo adds "So are her two sisters. They look damn good and they party. How'd you like to be in the middle of a bitch sandwich? Come to Vegas with us."
Jake asks if Sara's son is "Number Five."  Alonzo says the boy is "Number Six."  Jake says, "Six kids. That's all? Or you holding royal court in a few more houses?"
Anyway, if Sara were Alonzo's legitimate wife, he wouldn't set her up in an apartment in one of the most dangerous areas of LA, a place where he even warns Jake "Never come up in here without me. For your safety. I'm serious."
:Fascinating but your conclusion is pure conjecture. She's listed in the IMDb credits with the same last name. So, unless you can come up with a reputable source that says otherwise, it remains "wife".--Bbb23 (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sara is not Alonzo's wife 

message: Shouldn't this page have "(film)" follow the title? I don't know how to make that change but if someone could, that would help distinguish it as a motion picture. Jamodalamo (talk) 02:10, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title