Talk:GemStone IV

message: I've added significantly to the article, and though I'm no expert at Gemstone, I played it for many years off and on. I hope it incorporates some of the concerns you guys show above, particularly the uniqueness of the gaming culture and how it differs from later MMORPGs. 71.202.122.184Jordan Bowen
: Looks good; the only thing I changed was an inaccuracy about CoL.  Ravenswing 17:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You *do* have to flush yourself down the bathhouse toilet to get into CoL. You pull the chain three times and fall through a tunnel. I thought it was an interesting detail. JordanBowen 23:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You did have to do that.  The original CoL HQ was destroyed, and satellite HQs created in other cities, over three years ago now.  Ravenswing 23:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No kidding! That's great, thanks.JordanBowen 03:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, and revealing that info would actually be a policy (Simu) violation if you still had an account. Though of course the secret has been out for a while. If anyone needs some help otherwise with this page let me know. I guess some of my characters are among those 10+ year veterans.--Caranorn 22:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well ... revealing that info in-game would be, and it's liable to deletion on the Simu boards.  Happily, Wikipedia's remit isn't protecting Simu's game secrets ... Ravenswing 07:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion of article

message: Cleaned up the sections and removed extraneous/redundant detail. 
If there's a need to expand the article to include its "Inspiration," etc., as the previous editor indicated, please make the request in Talk rather than leave a blank section with an "Expand" indicator.
:The article needs pictures and more links, I think, more than it needs extra length, although someone does need to write about the recent changes in the last few years to the game itself, which are significant, and of which I'm ignorant.JordanBowen
::I think it could be wise to maintain the philosophy of keeping the article in the present tense. That is, avoiding starting with a description of the game, and then endlessly detailing changes over time. The ideal article would always reflect the state of the game, and separately, if deemed necessary, discuss the significant evolutions the game has undergone.Dxco 04:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mmm ... GSIV remains a text-based game, so I'm unsure where any pictures would come, unless Simu's willing to allow its logos and/or artwork to appear.  Ravenswing 18:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About the only pictures that'd make sense would be screenshots of the front-ends over time (like Railien's already existing shot). But there ain't all that much use for that except to actually document what the game looks like (text scroll). That in turn would require actually performing some useful action sequences. But then again, this would only be interesting for those who've never played a text based game.--Caranorn 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: Concerning that citation needed tag. What kind of citation would you require here, I don't really see how it could be provided. As a note, I personally already fulfill the second statement (I started playing around 1996 (character Carandraug etc.) and still have an open account (among other characters Caranorn), I also know (personally) a dozen or more other players with as long or longer playing history. Concerning the GSII claim I'm not sure, but the only way to confirm this claim might be to ask Simu, alternatively I could ask a few ICEage players, the problem would then be whether that kind of citation would be valid. An alternative might be to ask a long term Simutronics GM (I believe not GSIII, but she should have better contacts to Simu then I do) whom I know to be a moderator here.
But the best might be to hear why that sentence is put in doubt.--Caranorn 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sheesh, *I* have been personally playing the game since 1992, and at this point each and every remaining player active at the time Simu went web-based (1996) are ten-year-plus veterans.  Heck, as of the moment I type this (I just checked), there are three GEnie-era veteran characters besides my own logged into the game, never mind players of others.  What kind of "citation" does the fellow figure is possible?    Ravenswing  20:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And who are these 'GEnie-era' folks?   Send them greetings from 'Delbert' (from beta-testing times).
The character in question from GSII is "Gremlynn wolfsblood," and her status is well known in the game.  This is one of those instances where a citation is very difficult, even if it's well known.  For example, a simple google search on "gemstone ii gremlynn" will turn up several message board posts confirming her status, but those aren't appropriate citation locations.  I suppose a GS player could thrown it up on their webpage for the sole purpose of providing a citation, but that seems to violate the spirit of the citation in the first place. 67.188.29.176 10:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep a forum wouldn't work, neither I fear would just any website. Best would be Simu's own website (and I doubt they'd give the character name of the player) or an article about GS-II/III/IV. I know I've read the ten year claim regularly in either official Simu documentation and/or articles so we could easily source that. The GS-II bit is the tough one even if it's indeed confirmed.--Caranorn 12:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And furthermore some goober would dispute that on the grounds that it wouldn't be an "independent" source.    Ravenswing  13:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GSII and ten year claim 

message: Why is there a 'Articles for deletion' notice on the article page? I assume it's a mistake, or vandalism, since it seems to be an entirely different article that's up for deletion. However, in case there's something about the deletion process that I don't understand, I'm posting here first. Marieblasdell 22:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a serious deletion request concerning a large number of games. So I'd recommend anyone with an opinion on the issue go vote or express their opinion on the deletion page.--Caranorn 11:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: As much to the point, the article needs more references.  If anyone has links or citations to published, reliable sources, come forth with them.  Any awards GS has won should also be mentioned and sourced.    Ravenswing  14:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion?!? 

message: As the added references talk about Gemstone and Gemstone III and not specifically about Gemstone IV, perhaps this page should represent the whole series? Marasmusine 12:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does represent the entire series, but GS-I through III no longer exist and have transited directly to GS-IV, which is why there'd be little sense in differentiating between them. Essentially the history of GS-IV includes the previous incarnations of the game.--Caranorn 13:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, thankyou for clarifying that. The content of the article does actually show that, it was just the title that threw me. Marasmusine 09:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gemstone series

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GemstoneIV Wizard Screnshot.jpg

message: I've sent a 3RR caution to the anon IP who seems insistent on writing his own soapbox POV into the article; we'll see, but given his (since deleted) incivility, that this isn't the first POV-driven edit war he's been in this month (see Time Trax) and that he's received vandalism warnings, I have a feeling this'll get to AIV.  We can but hope.    Ravenswing  16:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon IP 

message: It was one of the first MMORPGs and is one of the longest running online games still active.
The citation following this statement () was in 2002. Has the game continued to be persistently active from 2002 to present? If so, a citation for that would be helpful. -kotra (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the exact definition of a MMORPG? Currently GemStone III has 700 players online during peak times. MUD2 was running back in 1986 while GemStone was launched in 1990 making MUD2 by far a longer running online game, though I don't think MUD2 ever had more than 100 players online during peak time. --Scandum (talk) 14:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest-running MMORPG claim 

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