Talk:Demogorgon (Dungeons & Dragons)

message: Im a little confused as to what his heads really are.  In the picture, the heads are clearly Mandrill heads, yet they are called baboon heads.  Is that an artist error? Or the creators? And another thing, is it confirmed that his heads are "baboon" heads? or is that just what it said in the magazine.  Because the other legend of the heyena heads could be true still...
:See the baboon WP article: "In modern scientific use, only members of the genus Papio are called baboons, but previously the closely related Gelada (genus Theropithecus) and two species of Mandrill and Drill (genus Mandrillus) were grouped in the same genus, and these monkeys are still often referred to as baboons in everyday speech."--Robbstrd 21:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the original MM (this edition) Demogorgon had baboon heads. He was not worshipped by gnolls; Yeenoghu was the demon lord of gnolls in the original MM. --Muchness (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Demogorgon.jpg

message: In this diff, a reference was removed per WP:EL because it was a forum link. However, WP:EL doesn't apply to references, it only applies to external links used in "External links" sections (from the guideline: "The subject of this guideline is external links that are not citations of article sources ... Guidelines for sourcing, which includes external links used as citations, are discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources"). The relevant policy regarding forum posts used as references is WP:SPS, which states, "Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."
In my opinion, a case can be made that the use of this forum post is appropriate as a reference per WP policy, since a) the referenced self-published source is being used to substantiate a claim about a book, b) the self-published source was written by the book's author, and c) the author in question, Monte Cook, is an established expert in the field of D&D. --Muchness (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, I've restored the reference. Sc00baSteve (talk) 09:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of reference

message: Would the two heads have separate cults? 4.242.174.243 (talk) 15:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL - it doesn't sound like it, based on Book of Vile Darkness. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aameul and Hethradiah 

message: What's the source about Mandrillagon being a 'brother' to Demogorgon? To the best of my knowledge (from the Gord the Rogue books) the name was used by Gygax to designate Demogorgon himself at a time when his use of names copyrighted to TSR inc was on dicey legal ground. --Svartalf (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Dicey"? I see what you did there. 198.202.137.38 (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandrillagon? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article says:
:Demogorgon is based on the supposed pagan god or demon Demogorgon, which was first spoken of by Christian scholars as a being whose very name is taboo.
This is very misleading. He was first spoken of by Lactantius Placidus, a Mithraist scholar, who was misidentified centuries later with a similarly-named Christian scholar. And Placidus didn't even really mention Demogorgon, but "a god, the supreme demiurge", which was later mistranslated as "the supreme god, Demigorgon". And Placidus said his name was unknown using the same wording typically used for the Judeo-Christian god, who most people wouldn't call "a being whose very name is taboo". (All of this is covered in some detail on the Demogorgon page.)
However, plenty of 20th century encyclopedias, pop-mythology books, etc. made claims similar to the one this article is making, so there's a good chance that this is what Gygax and Blume _believed_, even if it wasn't true.
I'm not sure how to get this idea across clearly, but I'll try to rewrite it. Someone else should take a look at whatever I come up with. --157.131.246.136 (talk) 04:23, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative origins