Talk:Shangdu

message: Kublah Khan is not necessarily describing Xanadu...it is actually an allegory which some even believe to be about sexual intercourse. --Ari89 02:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The poem Kublah Khan is at least inspired by by Xanadu the city, and worth note because it is the main venue for most people's knowledge of the word. Also, even if the word "Xanadu" is made up by westerners, it is the name that the majority of the world knows it by.--The reverend 01:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poem

message: Perhaps we could add a note on pronunciation. I believe "khanadoo" is the correct, but I've only heard "zannadoo" as the pronunciation for the place. Andelarion 11:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Xanadu is also a region/continent on Saturn moon Titan. 89.57.145.86 23:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titan 

message: In Citizen Cane, Hurstcastle is called Xanadu. 67.188.172.165 04:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you acually mean Hearst Castle? —QuicksilverT @ 07:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurstcastle 

message: I have simplified the location to degrees, minutes and seconds.  0.01 of a second is about 30cm (one foot) and it is not sensible to give the location of a huge structure to that level of precision.  I have also added figures for the dimensions of the inner and outer cities and the palace.  All this information is derived from satellite imagery available on Google Earth as at 11 Nov 2006.
FitzHugh 00:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it worth noting that walls run exactly North-South/East-West (from Google Earth)? Rather a fine achievement for 1256... Oscar Bravo (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Location and size

message: This section doesn't really belong here, does it? "The Mongol Emperors of the Yuan Dynasty made very few changes to China, imbibing much of the Confucianist and Taoist philosophies, and remodeling their government on the native dynasties they had defeated. However, they opened up the empire to westerners, allowing travelers like Venetian explorer Marco Polo in 1275 to report the wonders of the Eastern capital to their fellow Europeans." what does it have to do with Xanadu.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.90.238 (talk) 00:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  needed? 

message: Previous editors have made it their policy to move any of the appearances of Xanadu in Western culture, beginning with and referring back to Marco Polo, someplace else and focused this article on Kublai Khan's actual city. I must disagree with this.
The Chinese/Mongolian city was not called "Xanadu" - it was called Shangdu and hence should be placed under that lemma.
It was transcribed as Xanadu by Marco Polo and then took on a life of its own, as a symbol of splendour, a legendary place or (after Citizen Kane) a self-created prison. Hence an explanation of this symbolism should be under the lemma "Xanadu".
Wikilinks confirm this as most "real history" links go through Shangdu, while most links to "Xanadu" are references to one of the many cultural references.
The disambiguation page should merely be a list of occurences from Kublai Khan's to Bill Gates' residence.
Please comment. I will file a move the page request in the foreseeable future. 18:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With the scarcity of historical refs we don't need 2 separate articles for the poem and the real city. Shii (tock) 18:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper lemma

message: The provided link for Kaiping leads to a city in the south of China. Shangdu is in the North. How could it be ? Obviously not the same Kaiping.82.230.80.120 (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, here "Kaiping" is just an early name for Shangdu, without any connection to the city in Guangdong. Delinked. --Vmenkov (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaiping ?

message: See the discussion at Talk:Xanadu (disambiguation)#Requested move.  —sroc (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Xanadu (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 23:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: *Oppose according to our article, it would be "Sanadu" (or Xanadu), since this article is about the ancient capital, which would use the Mongolian pronounciation, not the Mandarin pronounciation. It predates the Mandarin dialect, and passed into the West under "Xanadu". If this article isn't about the current site, then it should use the spelling associated with the ancient capital. Xanadu, Mongolian Empire or something would be a better title.  -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Xanadu is the place people are looking for. It strikes me as parochial to insist on Chinese PRC pinyin. Why not Wade-Giles? Or, why not just call it Xanadu since that is what people are looking for.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.163.36.90 (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change back to Xanadu. 

message: The current intro paragraph is self-contradictory. First it says that "was the summer capital of the Yuan dynasty of China before Kublai decided to move his throne to... present-day Beijing" (emphasis added), but then immediately says that "Shangdu then [i.e., after the move to Beijing] became his summer capital."
So, was it the summer capital before the capital moved to Beijing, or after? Or Both?
Needs to be clarified.
Lemur in the Sky (talk) 14:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was it "summer capital"?