Talk:Sarmatism

message: To translate: trzymanie się rodzimych rozwiązań o bryłach gotyckich i specyficznej dekoracji stiukowej sklepieńm w architekturze —  w rzeźbie — nagrobek leżący oraz półpostaciowy; w malarstwie — zjawisko aktualizacji (wkomponowywanie w malowidła ołtarzowe wizerunków osób w strojach współczesnych), powstanie portretu sarmackiego, m.in. trumiennego o indywidualnych cechach polskich.
Why this page is protected from editing? Ek8 16:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Check history :( And Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Zivinbudas. I could unblock it, if you want to add something. If we are lucky we may even get a few days without the troll noticing it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:38, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussions

message: Come on :) --HanzoHattori 20:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 17th century pacifics :) Of course, there were extreme pacifists, but szlachta can be considered pacificts compared to other contemporary groups: they saw no profit in wars and had enough control of the state to ensure it didn't attack its neighbours.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  21:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pacifism"? 

message: This article needs to be rewritten. Numerous errors in grammar & style; vocabulary may need a clean-up to avoid obsolete or rare words. Cleaned up some of the major eyesores already, but someone with sufficient knowledge of Polish will better understand what the author is trying to say.
129.125.179.52 09:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling, vocab & grammar 

message: The Polish nobles who played the central role in the structure of political power in the Rzeczpospolita believed that they were descendants of the ancient tribe, Sarmatians.
Polish coat of arms are similar to sarmatian tamgas.
The haplotype diversity  (in Polish; English abstract) and frequecy of R1a1
 http://www.relativegenetics.com/genomics/images/haploMaps/originals/R1a_large_RG.jpg 
 Haplogroup frequency data in table 1
 DNA prove that the Polish Sarmatin tradition has factual basis and is inherited from ancestors. 56% percent of Poles have the R1a1 Y chromosome gene 
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As far as I know, this is a pure crackpot theory, and the above is WP:OR - none of the above articles states that there is a relation between Sarmatians and Poles. PS. To clarify: by crackpot theory I mean the one stating that the connection is real; of course it is a well-estabilished fact that many among szlachta believed in this legend. PS2. This was also discussed above.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  11:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Relation to real Sarmatians

message: As far as I know, this is a pure crackpot theory, and the above is WP:OR - none of the above articles states that there is a relation between Sarmatians and Poles. PS. To clarify: by crackpot theory I mean the one stating that the connection is real; of course it is a well-estabilished fact that many among szlachta believed in this legend. PS2. This was also discussed above.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  11:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: In the second paragraph, the second sentence ends with, "and carried a saber (szabla)."  The last sentence of that same paragraph says, "An inseparable element of the costume was a saber called the karabela."  Szabla and karabela have their own separate pages, so they are not 2 words for the same item (or are they?).  As someone not well versed in the subtle differences between various types of Polish sabres, it sounds like the Polish Sarmatians carried around 2 sabres (perhaps akin to the katana and wakizashi carried by samurai).  The pictures with the article do not show anyone who clearly has two sabres.  I feel like there is a clearer way to explain this, but I am not sufficiently knowledgable about the subject to offer that clarity.  DrNietzsche (talk)15:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarmatism and sabres 

message: On reading the first genealogy chapters of Dlugosz' chronicle, I don't see the Poles are in any way related to the Sarmatians there. The article given as a reference there is also not the best source for this assertion, since it offer no source whatsoever for the (little) information it provides. Remains the question: Is the assertion right? If so: Is there a better reference (with references to primary sources) for it? If not: Who then invented Sarmatism? Also, the term asserted by the Wasko article to be introduced by Dlugosz seems to be "Sarmatians", not "Sarmatism".--Oudeístalk  15:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dlugosz 

message: The statement about The German-speaking Protestant burghers of Royal Prussia was challenged by an anon. Can someone double-check the source cited? - Altenmann >talk 19:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Prussia