Talk:Flight altitude record

message: I've added a few records by Louis Paulhan to the table, but it now occurs to me that this page could be problematic because the FAI no longer keeps a single record for altitude in aeroplanes, but a number of separate records, depending on payload carried - more than 50 separate records in all.  Then you need to consider the type and sub-classs of aeroplane - dozens more to multiply the 50+ by. Then powerplant...... Quite honestly, I don't think this page can work as it is without a much tighter defintion, and even then.... Emeraude 18:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I don't think it's justified to include the X-15 and SpaceShipOne records, because they are more sub-orbital rockets than airplanes. Otherwise the Apollo flights should be included.
--80.139.102.211 17:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of rocket planes 

message: On May 1, 1965, a Lockheed YF-12A (the prototype for the SR-71 Blackbird) set a record for sustaine altitude (ie not merely the highest altitude attained on a parabolic climb) of 80,257 feet.  If I recall correctly, a MiG-25 Foxbat holds the world's record for altitude achieved on a parabolic climb, but could not sustain it.  The consensus among many aviation experts is that the SR-71 could sustain much more than 80,000 feet (I've heard 90,000 feet or more bandied about) but I don't have solid data for corroboration. Raryel (talk) 16:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  World record of sustained altitude flight by air-breathing jet aircraft 

message: Hey, if someone has the time to fix this page's table, please do.  On my Mario Pezzi page (under Record Flight) I have the names and altitudes of the highest propeller planes in the 19-teens.  (years)  Also its confusing as all the heights are in different measurements.  I dont have the time to convert or I would
--Joooeeeelllll 21:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table needs some fixing 

message: I removed the merger tag because I will soon perform the merger. I will post again when I complete the task.Kville105125 17:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And today I merged in List of altitude records reached by different aircraft types. We now have one article where once there were three. The result is very rough. However, interested contributors should be able to improve one article better than three. Hult041956 (talk) 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger soon. 

message: I just made a few edits to this page.  I replaced the uses of thinsp with nbsp, because nbsp is the recommendation of WP:MOSNUM and thinsp doesn't show up properly in IE 6.  I also used  extensively to provide good unit conversions.  I noticed something odd.  It appears that throughout the article, but especially in the "All balloons" section, someone took a bunch of highly imprecise measurements in feet (for example, 72,000 ft), and converted them to kilometers with a precision of three decimal places.  This is misleading and needs to be fixed, but first we need the original sources.  Does anyone know where this information came from? TomTheHand (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I should have looked before I added my section below.  Tom is right.  For example, the Russians claim Osoaviakhim-1 flew to 22,000 meters.  Clearly that got converted to feet, rounded, and back to meters to get 21,946.  DonPMitchell (talk) 05:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad precision 

message: > The highest altitude obtained by a manned air-breathing jet propelled aircraft following an uncontrolled ballistic trajectory is 37,650 m (123,524 ft) set by Alexandr Fedotov, in a Mikoyan Gurevitch E-266M (MiG-25M), on 31 August 1977. <
This looks like bogus. FAI regulations dertermine maximum altitude as the altitude where the air plane's capability to climb further falls below 0.5 meters/second, therefore you cannot set a record by a "jump arc" started from a high-speed run, you have to honestly climb there. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 10:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fedotov 

message: How about the General Atomics ALTUS II, it reached an altitude of 57,300' and was powered by a 4 cylinder Rotax with a two stage turbocharger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_ALTUSRatsbew (talk) 15:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Atomics Altus II 

message: I have read that the great American flier Wiley Post had reached an altitude of 50,000 feet in his modified Lockheed Vega 5-C "Winnie Mae" way back in 1934.  If this is true, wouldn't that be another altitude record?
76.21.37.87 (talk) 23:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiley Post altitude record?

message: The dates in the table are in various formats.  I recommend standardizing them to the ISO 8601 format (yyyy-mm-dd), consistent with the wiki style as being used elsewhere.  If there are no objections, I will go ahead and make the fix.  99.59.154.149 (talk) 19:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistent table dates 

message: There are no records here for helicopter flight, and I can't find any other article that covers them. --Dhartung | Talk 05:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Chapter is now added Roidroid (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helicopters/rotorcraft 

message: isn't it the grob Strato 2C with 18100 meters? 
http://www.dlr.de/ft/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-1388/1918_read-3386/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.229.96.5 (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Piston-driven propeller aeroplane

message: SpaceShipOne and the X-15 are less worthy than the Space Shuttle. Both are dropped by other vehicles; they do not take off under their own power. The Space Shuttle merely has JATO and a drop tank. It definitely takes off under its own power. 208.118.18.233 (talk) 07:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space Shuttle, or X-15 and SpaceShipOne need to go 

message: 92.231.162.212 (talk) 19:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional data from Bell X-2, Douglas D-558 and NAA X-15 (50s and early 60s) 

message: 85.177.171.118 (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  corrected data from X-1/D-558-II/X-2 and X-15 

message: 85.177.169.159 (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some new data added 

message: I know an altitude record is an altitude record and the highest wins, but doesn't it seem worth noting that a similar Helium balloon with the same volume of gas made it just about as high (4km lower) as the record holder WITH a 1,500lb payload on August 26th, 2002, 3 months later? 
At the time, NASA considered this balloon to be the altitude record holder. http://www.bartol.udel.edu/~clem/nasapl.txt
The balloon that set the "record" had a total mass of 39.77kg  Just sayin' Weaponofmassinstruction (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Altitude Record with Minimal Payload 

message: Is there are any reference for Piantanida's supposed 37,643m ascent, as listed at the bottom of the "All Balloons" section? The reason I'm querying is that I'm watching Felix Baumgartner's ascent, and the only previous record being mentioned is Ross & Prather's, and Baumgartner is said to have broken the record at less than 36,000m. There's also this page http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/20th_cent_records-2/LTA12.htm which says Piantanida died after falling into a coma during an ascent in 1965! David (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I found the answer. His ascent isn't recognised because he returned without the balloon (although that's what Baumgartner's going to do, too!) David (talk) 17:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Piantanida 

message: https://books.google.com/books?id=fVD3Sdv0mv4C&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=mike+field+altitude+fraud&source=bl&ots=XHFaca_s5h&sig=7ZrbRTCWJoQApHD6b1j4OxYS_Jc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVz_S_1oXQAhWI24MKHei0CIoQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=mike%20field%20altitude%20fraud&f=false
I remember back in 77 Mike Field claimed an altitude record that was declared fraudulent.
Are there any proper entries for this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patbahn (talk • contribs) 18:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  mike field altitude record fraud 

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message: This type of engine could never reach such altitude because of very thin atmosphere in that height.
Moreover, the geometric structure of the wings can’t make it either. Jcaspi (talk) 06:27, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  LUSAC11 can’t reach such altitude 

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message: Just happened to catch my eye as I had this page and the page on the Aérospatiale SA 315B Lama open at the same time.  The claim of a new record by Fred North looks suspicious since it includes a link to his personal web site instead of the FAI.  As best as I can tell from searching the FAI site, the 1972 record by Jean Boulet still stands.  Edit was made on 2019/01/28.
198.166.92.192 (talk) 10:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspicious rotorcraft altitude record 

message: This page provides Hawthorne C. Gray's achieved altitude as 43380 ft. This link however states that his highest altitude reached is 42470 ft. The page Hawthorne C. Gray states that Gray reached the latter altitude during his previous record ascent, while the link claims that during his previous ascent he reached 42241 ft. A source in the page about Gray states that both times he reached 42470 ft which is obviously a mistake by the source author. I wonder which source is most reliable, whether Gray reached the 42470 ft altitude in May or in November 1927 and if he reached the altitude given in this page. Gray's November flight must have been officially documented in America. 2001:4BC9:A47:2B12:B96B:C754:D941:F231 (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gray's altitude record