Talk:Burakumin

message: In the links section: "Ainu, the second largest minority group in Japan.". Is that true? Doesn't it go 1- Burakumin 2- zainichi koreans?
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Answer:
http://www.stat.go.jp/data/nenkan/zuhyou/y0214000.xls 
Here's some official information, not including the about 1-3 million burakumin, about 1 300 000 okinawans/ryukyuans or the ~20 000 - 25 000 ainu. As you can see, nowadays there's more chinese (about 600 000, counting taiwanese) than koreans (less than 600 000), because of the many naturalizations that have been granted to koreans. The ainu population is Japan's only remarkable indigenous group - okinawans are not treated as such for various reasons. 
Oh, there are other quite obvious blunders in this text. They could be checked from about any book treating the minorities issue and published since 1990. Japan's minorities, ed. Michael Weiner, is a classic and a good read, if a bit dated. IF anyone's interested, that is.
I'm a bad writer and I don't seem to understand the mystical rules of wikipedia community, so I let you guys change it the way you want.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.216.242.214 (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Second largest minority group?

message: "In November 27th, 2001, the BLL expressed their delight at the terrorist attack against the United States on 9.11. The BLL is also known as a friend of North Korea."
This comment was deleted as "vandalism". But, if you can read Japanese, you will find it is an obvious fact that the BLL welcomed 9.11. The Kaihou Shinbun (the BLL's official newspaper) stated as the following; http://www.ngy1.1st.ne.jp/~ieg/ieg/inter/vol4-4/911j2.htm#部落解放
「世界の貧者と弱者は、世界貿易センタービル（ＷＴＣ）と、米国防省にたいする自爆テロに、喝采をあげ、歓喜した。かくいうわたしも、明け方までテレビにかじりつき歓喜をあげつづけた。ＷＴＣは、アメリカが主導し、Ｇ７が仕切るグローバリズムのメッカである。世界経済を米とＧ７が自由に動かし、貧しい国と、その民から徹底的に搾取し、収奪する市場原理主義の聖地にほかならない。だから世界の貧者は、ＷＴＣビルの崩壊に喝采をあげた。・・・」
"世界の貧者と弱者は、世界貿易センタービル（ＷＴＣ）と、米国防省にたいする自爆テロに、喝采をあげ、歓喜した" means "The poor and the weak of the world cheered for the suicide attacks to the WTC and the Pentagon." "わたしも、明け方までテレビにかじりつき歓喜をあげつづけた" means "I also shouted for joy, sticking at my television, until dawn".
It is widely known about the friendship between the BLL and North Korea; http://210.145.168.243/sinboj/sinboj2002/2/0211/82.htm#南副議長
::Just glancing at the article in the link provided, it seems very questionable to claim that an organization has taken a particular stance based on one editorial (it might even be a letter to the editor, it wasn't clear whether this person named K was affiliated with the paper or not) written by one man in a newspaper written by the organization.  Later in the same article that is being quoted above, the author praises the newspaper for printing various opinions on the matter.  (以上の点はさておき、「解放新聞」がその主張に反する異質な個人見解を公開されたことに敬意を評します。個々人の意見表明を尊重する人権・民主主義感覚におおいに期待しております。Ｋさんとの率直な議論・有意義な論争を期待して。) I know very little about this organization or this newspaper, but this "evidence" seems pretty flimsy.  Unless the BLL officially endorsed the 9-11 terrorism, or there are multiple sources that have supporting evidence, I am against this claim being restored to the article. CES 03:24, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Full text of above citation is here. And read this, writer of this column is an exterior left-wing editor, after the disputing which also the reader mixed, BLL's trust to this one was cancelled. About north Korea, they had working with zainichi Korean against discriminations in Japan. Johncapistrano 07:19, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
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message: I'm a little confused by this sentence in the article: "Their presence in Japan is small, partly because Japan's society has a comparative lack of hierarchical social classes." For one thing, it's not clear what "their presence in Japan is small" means; are we just trying to say that they are few in number? Also, "a comparative lack of hierarchical social classes", compared to what? Certainly the idea of social hierarchy is hardly unknown in Japan. Is the point that this does not take the form of social classes (other than the burakumin themselves, not to mention Koreans and other ethnic minorities)? Also, the connection between the two clauses of this sentence are not entirely clear. It also seems misleading to mention a current lack of social classes in Japan if it is in fact the case that, during the Tokugawa era, Japan had a rigid hierarchy of classes. - Nat Krause 10:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hierarchical social classes

message: I made a number of organizational and copyediting changes today in an attempt to improve the quality of this article. Some areas, however, are still in serious need of expansion; for example, the hard statistics (if available) on the economic status of today's burakumin, an expansion of the burakumin rights movement beyond the BLL, and the sourcing (or, failing that, removal) of a number of claims that appeared dubious to me. The final section on the Hoganji feels problematic for me as it doesn't really flow with the article as it reads now; if anyone can add more context or perspective, please do so, but right the focus on this one sect's relations with the burakumin seems somewhat arbitrary to me. MC MasterChef 09:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article reworked 

message: I (an American) had previously associated the concept of "untouchables" with India, so hearing mention of Japanese "untouchables" on the November 14 2006 episode of House, M.D. was interesting. To be honest I am too lazy to properly bring together all the documentation and correct formatting, so I'm not going to edit this article, but someone probably should -- unless passing mention in an American television show is not significant enough to warrant inclusion. Morypcaina 03:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's notable inasmuch as House is proven to not always be right - he uses a wrong term :) Having said that, I don't think it really merits mention. TomorrowTime (talk) 09:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to "the ''buraku''" on House M.D. worth a mention?

message: Due to social separation for several centuries, I think it's inevitable that there is a greater degree of homogeneity in the Burakumin community than in the wider Japanese ethnicity, and I am sure that there are certain characteristics by which Burakumin can be differentiated. Whether it be characteristics oif their speech, differences in appearance, culture, or even just slight genetic differences, it seems certain that 5 centuries of forced separation would yield certain differences. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.68.181 (talk) 05:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are the 1 to 3 million burakumin less heterogeneous than the rest of the population?  There is no evidence, discussion, opinion, or rumor supporting this.  And remember, the large numbers of Japanese who were assigned outcast status were not selected by any perceived racial differences in the first place!  Burakumin who sought employment in the 20th C. were, and may still be, excluded by employers using a widely circulated but illegal "black book" of burakumin family registries.  There is no other way to distinguish them from other Japanese.  Even burakumin people in the current era may hide their status by never marrying.Vendrov (talk) 11:41, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not your blog. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different ethnicity? 

message: Some insight into the word 'eta':
"Lowest of all the classes were the eta. They could eat meat, as strict Buddhists could not, they were compelled to marry other eta, and they could not reside outside their own community at the southesast edge of the city. Possibly the world “eta” came from etori (butcher) and not from the two Chinese ideographs meaning “very dirty,” from which in later times it was claimed to have been derived…" from: Kyoto in the momoyama period by Wendell cole Claw789 23:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Kōjien dictionary, the Chinese character spelling for eta is ateji, appearing in the Muromachi era Kagakushū () dictionary.--Ryoske 11:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of eta

message: Long time ago (late nineties) I vaguely recall usage in Japan of a pun using the Katakana word "buraku" (or maybe burakku) = "black" (as in "of dark skin colour") in this context. If documented usage exists, it would be of illustrative value here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nankai (talk • contribs) 10:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Black" 

message: :Burakumin (部落民 "hamlet people") is actually an abbreviation [...]
An abbreviation of what word? TomorrowTime (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation? 

message: I read a news article in the Sydney Morning Herald 'Google Earth sparks racial row in Japan' that contained an interview with an anonymous human resources representative in Tokyo who confirmed active discriminatory hiring practices against the burakumin. I thought it would be good for someone who knows this wikipedia article well to put a reference to this in. Nwatts88 (talk) 14:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary employment-related discrimination 

message: The term Burakumin should always be capitalized in English.  Because for all other differences contributors may disagree on, the Burakumin are an ethnic group in every sense of the word.  Thank you kindly, KSRolph (talk) 22:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The proper noun Burakumin or Burakumen 

message: Can we use this historical photo. As it was taken in 1987 it must be out of copyright?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24443965@N08/2862111344/
--Januarythe18th (talk) 23:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Burakumin&action=edit§ion=new# The book "The Blade of the Courtesans" Keiichiro Ryu 1923-89 (translated by James M Vardeman, Vertical 2008) has an interesting historical, but possibly fictional account of the Buraku. The book is historical fiction and seems well researched - he is highly regarded. The premise is the struggle of the "free unrelated people" to survive with their traditions intact in the face of Tokugawa administrators' creation of the discriminatory definition "Buraku". The historic creation of the term is explicitly explained on page 199 - 201. ````  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.243.252 (talk) 07:08, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: I think the article at presents implies that burakumin form a somewhat clearly defined group as other ethnic minorities do, when in fact the line is much fuzzier. This academic book review contains a section discussing this, and there are many other articles available. Eldomtom2 (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of "burakumin" 

message: I am correcting incorrect information written based on misquotes. The state controlled people by forcing them to belong to Buddhist temples, but it did not force each social class to belong to a particular sect, such as the nobility to the Pure Land sect, the samurai class to the Zen sect, and so on. The source text describes the sects that people of each social class believed in most.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 20:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination from Buddhists