Talk:Sima Qian

message: While I believe much of the information in this article is trustworthy, no citations are given throughout. For example where does one look to find where Sima Qian travelled to collect information? Bao Pu (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations

message: This page needs radically altering.
Reading the posts below, it was done by students for an
assignment on a journalism course (?). One of them is
absolutely correct; it reads like a fragmented undergraduate 
essay on the topic of journalism, not an encyclopaedia entry.
More importantly it utterly misrepresents the purpose of
Han historiography: Sima Qian did not have "the truth"
as a primary aim - it would be more accurate to say his 
purpose was to construct a historical narrative that denounced 
Han Wudi.
If anybody objects to me rewriting it, shout now... Gaobei
Hi groupmates,
Well, interestingly there's a lot of background stuff already done here on sima qian. Unfortunately, I found out quite a few are blatantly cut and pasted from another website. And I'll rephrase them later.
Well, nice meeting u guys.
Btw, since we already got the background stuffs, now we go straight to research topic related to our topic right? Any good suggestions? (we allowed to talk about them right?)
Forgot to login. the above is messaged by me. I'm Heyson.
Good. Please keep communicating with your groupmates on this page. 
Best,
Olga. 
TA
Hello all my groupmates,
so happy to have a chance to work with you all. As regards the already existed information, I've checked that the content is accurate, but I think we can better organize it, like adding back the titles or dividing it into different sections. To begin with, maybe we can first decide how many sections we should have in our page. 
I also hope that we can all communicate and exchange the ideas through this page.
Please sign off on your messages with your name and time stamp! Lfcho 15:49, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Radically altering

message: Hello, i had found some interesting pictures. hope you will like it.
Also Thank you for contributing the project, right now, we got enough information, but our page isn't very well organized. thus, i would like to ask volunteer , who is good at english , to try to make it consistent in the style of writing. (I feel sorry that I am not proficient in writing english >.< ) 
More, I would like to delete some para, which is related to the journalism , coz our project is supposed to be seen by the world, and they are not taking a journal class. (by LO, --0101LOcw)
Hi groupmates,
I also think it's a difficult problem in making a balance regarding the proportion of journalism in this project. However, the required research questions are also predominately regarding on journlaism. So do we need to answer all those suggested questions? Does anyone has any suggestion on this? Pls feel free to comment on this.0101CHEUNGKH0101CHEUNGKH
Hi~ groupmates, sorry for coming late. I think the article has covered most of the required research questions. Since the topic of this project is 'Journalists as Great Authors', I think we should include some literary component in the article. SO I added something about literature in the article.0101CHANYP
Hi groupmates,
I agree with groupmate Chan, since this project is titled "Journalists as Great Authors". It is no doubt that our focus should be put on " as a journalist" and  "as an author". Besides, the research questions also addressed the contributions of the character on journalism and literature as well as the elements of journalism that he met. I hope we can on the right track.
So happy we can communicate through this page.0101CHEUNGKH0101CHEUNGKH
Hi guys 
I agree that this page of Sima Qian is open to the public and will be read by people who do not study journalism. 
It seems that we are putting too much emphasis on the link between Sima Qian and Journalism. 
Imagine if you are the user of the internet, i am sure that you dont know what "level 1, level 2, and level 3" mean. 
And also, too many pictures in our page will surely distract the readers. We should delete some of them.
-- Hello fellows,
Could you sign off your message with your signature and timestamp.  Try the button right above the editing window.  Thanks. (by Almond, --0101WONGfm 19:55, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is time for us to choose an editor for this page 

message: I added 2 new paragraphs on history and literature influences. Also added a paragraph on the level 3 reporting abt the Grand Historian Remark. So maybe you can see if that suffice (in response to the previous dropin message). 
Moreover, I don't know the Chinese translation for some names and I need you guys help me translating them.
I think it's almost time for us to edit. (And a lot of things to do on that, which i'm not able to do in these 2 days) So add oil la, group mates!!!
--0101YOUNGhy 06:08, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi 

message: Element eight: Journalists must keep the news in proportion and make it comprehensive.
Hi Guys, so good to see such vibrant discussions.  There is no need for you to strech the truth about Sima Qian in order to answer the research questions.  I completely agree with your teammate "?":
"First, we should bear in mind that Sima qian only make great contribution on the later development of Journalism. This is our stance.
Second, we can figure out how Sima qian writing's attitude, style and method meeting the elements of journalism. While giving examples, we can mention some comtemporary journalists who are strongly influenced by Sima qian and always uphold his principle.
Lastly, remember to give neutral point of views, only the facts, no personal comments."
Use your best judgment, but whatever his connection to journalism is, it should be mentioned in the lead paragraph.
be sure to sign off your discussion message with 4 tilde signs (~) at the end like this:Lfcho 14:13, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Element of Journalism number 8 

message: We have not mentioned our references!!!
Pls add your reference material for our site!
If you don't know how, this is the way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_your_sources
Add oil! One more day to go~
--0101YOUNGhy 18:25, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMPORTANT: REFERENCE 

message: A question:
I really think our arguement is quite thin for saying that sima qian effected the later development of journalism.
I tried to search but there is no direct linkage to the two.
In our section on "Contribution to the development of Journalism"
It's basically about how his writing fulfulls the 3 levels of reporting.
I suggest to change the title and the intro paragraph of that section.
Title something like: Sima Qian as a Role Model to Journalist
Any questions please raise in the discussion
cheers--0101YOUNGhy 20:00, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  note 

message: :I've also read some of his "Records of the Grand Historian." I haven't worked on this, but if it still would need any I'd be glad to help.(Depending on how things are going in my studies)--T. Anthony 10:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: I did a presentation on him for Chinese history class

message: This revert war is unseemingly and unproductive.  If both of you feel this strongly, surely either of you would be able to file an RfC on the subject.  --Nlu (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already approached an editor whom I know to be a Chinese scholar.  Perhaps an RfC is a also good idea.  I'm a little disturbed that you've protected twice, both times locking the article in the anon's version, for which you've suggested that you have a preference. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: And the fact that is you whom failed to provide your references that supported your claims, it is not up to you to push the blame on other. 15:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reprotection 

message: This article has been protected for weeks and weeks and weeks, and nobody has edited the talk page in a week.  Oh for heaven's sake.  Unprotected. --Tony Sidaway 00:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotected

message: Please let me ask the question: why mangle his name.  Chinese language uses single characters that combines to word/phrases.  In this instance his last name is made up of two characters (rare in modern Chinese last names), so I think should be designated "Si Ma" to reflect this.
:A rule of Pinyin is to write surname and given names in two words, e.g. Mao Zedong, Jiang Zemin, Ouyang Xiu. I saw the usage in this article is sometimes "Sima Qian" and others "Si Ma Qian". I converted all instances of "Si Ma Qian" to "Sima Qian". --Joshua Chiew 13:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Question

message: I'm not sure that the addition of "Ssu-ma Cheng-chen" is correct - I'm not familiar with Wade-Giles transliteration, only pinyin but it looks like there is an extra syllable here. 
Philg88 (talk) 11:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling "Ssu-ma Cheng-chen" is used in scholarly studies like Taoism: the enduring tradition‎ by Russell Kirkland (2004), Chinese Religions by Julia Ching (1993),  and Toynbee's Study of History. Rjensen (talk) 12:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Reading this name as "Sima Qian" appears to be profoundly odd to me, as I would have expected that his name be either "司马迁" (ie, "Si, MaQian", after the Chinese custom of spelling the surname first), or "迁司马" (ie, "Qian, SiMa", assuming that the English transscription correctly reflects the name, with the surname going last). I assume that he did not have a two-character surname and a one-character given name, especially not back in his day, right? It would be great if someone could share some light onto this. The Chinese language version of the page suggests that his name was "司 马迁". Also, please add PinYin tone marks if you can. It would make reading for those of us with no in-depth knowledge of the Chinese language much easier. Thank you!
79.228.152.44 (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: His daughter's name was Sima Ying (司馬英), so it appears that it is a two-character surname and one character given name. Yes, it is odd. 75.156.70.207 (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is one of the few two-character surnames that are still common today. Double sharp (talk) 07:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  And His Real Name Is...? 

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message: Thanks to User:White_whirlwind for pointing out the formatting.  However, I noticed that there was a mixture of traditional and simplified chinese text and decided to include both.  I'm fine with having only one orthography, but it should be consistent, and probably traditional. Alsosaid1987 (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree. The usual style has been to use traditional for everything except Mainland people/places post-1949. I don't think that's ever been written down anywhere though, such as at MOS:ZH.  White Whirlwind  咨  02:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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