Talk:Australian Defence Force ranks

message: I noticed the following in the Chaplain section of the "Notes" :...The heads of the various churches and religions officially associated to the ADF's Religious Advisory Committee, such as the Anglican and Catholic Bishops of the Military, hold a two star (O-8 Rear Admiral/Major General/Air Vice Marshal) status. ... 
(My bolding).
Is this correct for a article about Australian ranks?  "Two star" would refer to a Major General in US service, but is it a universal concept?  Not quite sure enough to "be bold". :-) Johnmc (talk) 12:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't believe it applies to the whole universe, but it certainly applies to NATO, Australia, and much of Asia ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nitpick in Chaplain subsection. 

message: After initial trade training in all three ADF Services a new Seaman/Aircraftsman/Private must satisfy the same criteria to be re-classified to the next level (Able Seaman/Leading Aircraftsman/Private [Proficient]) namely:
*Airforce (Defence Instruction (Airforce) Personnel 5-4, Para 5.4)
**a.	12 months productive service has been completed after completion of the initial trade training or after completion of recruit training where already trade qualified;
**b.	the LAC/LACW trade test and/or prerequisite courses of the particular mustering have been passed (if required in accordance with the particular occupational specification); and
**c.	they are considered suitable in all respects for advancement to the higher classification by their Commanding Officer (CO).
*Army  (PACMAN Vol 2, Chap 3, Part 2, Division 3, Para 3.2.30(1.).) - http://www.defence.gov.au/DPE/PAC/V2_Ch3_Pt2_Div3.htm
*1.  This clause applies to an Army member with the rank of Private. The member is paid as Private Proficient if they meet all of the following conditions.
**a.	They have completed initial training for their employment category.
**b.	They have completed at least 12 months’ service after finishing training.
**c.	They are proficient in their military trade or skill.''
 
*Navy (ABR 10 Chapter 5 Para 5.11) 
**In addition to any category specific qualifications, the basic requirement for promotion to AB is 12 months effective service as a SMN (qualified). The principle of effective service is to provide sailors with the time to consolidate the skills and knowledge obtained on initial category course through on-the-job training, in addition to furthering their general naval knowledge…  
Gl359 (talk • contribs) 06:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Re Army: PACMAN Vol 2, Chap 3, Part 2, Division 3, Para 3.2.30(1.) - http://www.defence.gov.au/DPE/PAC/V2_Ch3_Pt2_Div3.htm Pdfpdf (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank Comparison Seaman/Aircraftsman/Private. 

message: In regards to the most senior section for officers; it is titled "General/Flag officers"
Should it not be titled: General/Flag officers/Air Officers?
I believe that whilst not common Air Commodore and above can be referred to as such see pages 69, 133, 137 and 171 of The Quiet Man by Sir Neville McNamara http://airpower.airforce.gov.au/Publications/Details/224/The-Quiet-Man.aspx
ta,
nick  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.193.79 (talk) 12:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General / Flag officers 

message: Needs some where references to Bombadier, Lance Bombadier and all the Private Equivilant Ranks in the Army eg. Sapper, Sig, Trooper, Craftsman etc.  Depending on the Corps, Army has a few alternative ranks particularly at PTE level. --TinTin (talk) 04:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See Australian Army enlisted rank insignia#Private Soldier Ranks: Sapper (SPR) / (Private (rank)) Private (PTE) / (Trooper (rank)) Trooper (TPR) / (Gunner (rank)) Gunner (GNR) / (Signalman (rank)) Signalman (SIG) / Craftsman (CFN) /  Musician (MUSN) --Pdfpdf (talk) 14:09, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is both relevant and interesting. --Pdfpdf (talk) 14:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of Army Equivalent Ranks

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The correct rank equivalents are listed here:
http://www.defence.gov.au/PayAndConditions/ADF/chapter-1/Part-4/default.asp
Can this page be edited to reflect the correct rank equivalents?
A Leading Aircraftman/woman is equivalent to an Able Seaman at EO3.
A Lance Corporal is an EO4 with no Air Force or Navy equivalent (not equal to an Able Seaman)
A Chief Petty Officer and Flight Sergeant are equivalent to a Warrant Officer 2nd Class (not equal to a Staff Sergeant).
Can the rank insignia be updated for the Air Force, as the shevrons are much more flat in these picture than they actually look in real life and as per: http://www.defence.gov.au/Badges/Badges_of_rank.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:1975:8300:69F9:77C8:23D4:8D66 (talk) 10:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank equivalents are incorrect 

message: Cooee Cobbers, I think we should split the page into Australian Defence Force ranks and Australian Navy rank insignia (Which could be further split into Australian Navy enlisted rank insignia and Australian Navy officer rank insignia). Because currently... What the bloody hell?! This page is primarily meant to be a summary of the defence force ranks and you're including bloody specific navy rank insignia of all things (excuse the language, I'm just flabbergasted). IronBattalion (talk) 06:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There does not seem to be any opposition to the split, so I created Draft:Ranks of the Royal Australian Navy to prepare the new page. It is currently missing a lead with information analogous to the lead of Ranks of the Royal Australian Air Force. Maybe you or someone else with specific expertise could help get the draft into shape so the split can proceed? Felix QW (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Page 

message: Should we mention/update the page in due time with the new insignia (CIIIR cypher, Tudor crown symbol) that will affect some ranks, now that Charles III is the King? 118.211.25.70 (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing has been decided WRT to Crowns on Ranks, Badges, Brevets as of yet.  Given Australia will look at a Second Republican referendum in a potential Second term of an Albanese government, maybe for the time being things are just "marking-time" Hawkeyebasil (talk) 03:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insignia changes due to accession of Charles III? 

message: A new position is to be created comparable to that of the SEAC to the US and UK and will sit inline with  the three service Warrant Officers at NATO OR-9 / ADF E-10 rank in PMKEYS. No details yet on what the Insignia for the time being is the same as the Special Insignia of the Service WO - Since the inaugural  Senior Enlisted Advisor to the CDF (SEAC-CDF) is a RAAF Aviatior - Ken Robertson, was promoted to the Rank of WOFF-AF and wears the same Slides, and Cap Badge whist in this billet
Can some one please update the Boxes to show this across all the services
https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2023-07-03/new-role-gives-personnel-direct-line-chief
 Hawkeyebasil (talk) 03:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  APPOINTMENT OF THE INAUGURAL ADF SENIOR ENLISTED LEADER