Talk:2007 AS Roma–Manchester United F.C. conflict

message: Conflict sounds like two countries at war... can anyone find a better adjective? Riot? Rumble? --Howard the Duck 17:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

message: Does this event deserve really to be described as a standalone article? I have a few doubts, as events and riots like these unfortunately are not so uncommon, especially in Italy. Just to make an example, right today two AS Roma fans were stabbed outside the stadium before the Rome derby. I guess describing shortly the facts on both AS Roma and Man Utd articles would be well enough. --Angelo 18:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I don't think this page really needs to exist. A paragraph in one or other of the team pages would be enough, or a mention in a page listing football riots in general. As it stands, this page just seems to be an excuse to attack United fans. Spugmeister 13:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: This article has been put up for arbitration. If you wish to make a statement regarding the arbitration over this article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#2007 AS Roma-Manchester United conflict. Thank you. PeeJay 20:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitration 

message: In the 'related incidents' section this needs some sources. untill then its getting removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Diontheace (talk • contribs) 13:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, let's think about this logically. Why would Manchester United fans be trying to enter the home stands if they had tickets for the away end? The very fact that they were trying to enter the home stands indicates that they had bought tickets for that end. Your edit suggests that the away end had been over-sold, when in actual fact the away allocation was just enough to fit inside the away end. The stadium officials just made a balls-up when it came to organising everything. In this case, I don't think sources are necessary as any other explanation would be absurd. PeeJay 14:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. I heard it on the telly while I was watching the game. Bit difficult to cite something off the telly though. PeeJay 18:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man Utd fans buying tickets for home end 

message: I've added a couple of sentances to give a more... realistic view of what went on in the crowd. I note that, predominantly, the sources used to give this article an anti-United fan slant are all based on press releases by the Italian police. I'm currently on a computer that blocks sports related pages, but (assuming my changes last that long) I will find other sources to back up the other side of the argument later. And they exist in abundance.
I see the request for arbitration was denied, is there anything else that can be done to sort out the page? 
I still think it should be deleted as non-notable and a paragraph stuck into the Utd and Roma pages somewhere. Spugmeister 14:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Dispute. Still.

message: I got lost trying to weed through the text & sources revert war and finger pointing. Perhaps if the actual proposed textual edits (along with the proposed sources) were provided and discussed here, it would be easier to arrive at and maintain (or at least document) a consensus. --Evb-wiki 19:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of specific textual edits 

message: Come on guys, instead of revert warring you could at least pretend to discuss the matter. Nothing's happened on this page since the AfD and now we're suddenly back to the same rubbish that bought it about in the first place?
I've never seen such a biased attack on United fans so poorly disguised as a viable article, and that includes articles in the tabloids. Spugmeister 12:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree. The bias emanating from Daddy Kindsoul's keyboard is overwhelming. However, I fear that unless he gets his way, he may never cease editing this article. - PeeJay 19:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quite, he's not even trying to defend/explain his edits on here any more, because he knows full well they're a load of rubbish. According to the latest edit summary, his crusade is for justice for the stewards that got beaten up. Funny, I thought wikipedia was for facts... Spugmeister 09:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Season, New Hassle

message: I'd like to remove these references to the Heysel tragedy and the Catania-Palermo violence.  Although the C/P match took place in the same season, its not the only incident of crowd trouble that year.  If people want to read up on crowd violence, lets put a link at the bottom.  I would appreciate your thoughts.  Thanks.   Goldbringer 00:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd agree with that. The reference to the Man Utd-Lille violence should stay, though, as it also involves Man Utd. - PeeJay 08:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, i agree. References to other clubs involved in crowd trouble should be left off. Use a link at bottom of page to Football Crowd Violence. Joeyfin (talk) 16:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heysel / Catania-Palermo references