Talk:Baker–Fancher party

message: Except for the smallest children, and the exceptions to be mentioned below, all the victims of the violence at Mountain Meadow can be found in the 1850 census.  Jurisdictions with a good many of the family groups include:  Mulberry Twp, Johnson County, Arkansas; Spadra Twp, Johnson County, Arkansas; Carrollton Twp, Carroll County, Arkansas; Crooked Creek Twp, Carroll County, Arkansas; and an unnamed twp in Marion County, Arkansas.  Individuals are found in Missouri (including the Huff family), Tennessee, and California (the Fanchers, on one of their several trips across the country).  
The First Nations individuals of the future Utah Territory were not enumerated in 1850, and this post will not be concerned with the LDS families.
Missing from the enumerations are:
Vincent Valentine, supposed aged 21.  No such person appears in the United States on a nationwide search.  As this is also a popular character in a role-playing fantasy game, he may have been included on the casualty list as a spoof.  A source is needed for his inclusion in the wagon trains.
The family of Joshua Miller, Matilda Cameron Miller, and James William Miller should be residing in or near Johnson County, Arkansas in 1850, but they seem to have been missed in the enumeration and may at that time have been en route for Missouri.  Also missing is the Nancy Cameron born in 1845, a probable relation of Matilda Cameron Miller and her guardian William Cameron (supposed niece).
Annis Arnold [maiden name] and her husband, name unknown, who were supposed to have joined the Fancher-Baker train by their relatives, are also not found.  Annis was the daughter of John and Rebecca Arnold and was born about 1805.  They apparently left Shelby, Macomb, Michigan in the spring of 1857 bound for California and were never heard from again.  While many things happened to people on the overland trails, apparently the family always believed from some evidence that they were at Mountain Meadow in September 1857 by accident.  This was felt strongly enough that it was posted on RootsWeb.  A source is needed for their inclusion in the wagon trains.
Genehisthome 05:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 1850 Census and the MMM Casualties 

message: There are eight names on the 'Killed' list that also appear on the 'Reclaimed' list.  They are, reading Last Name, Given Names, Killed ref & Reclaimed ref: Baker, Sarah Frances, 8 & 2; Baker, William Twitty, 9 & 3; Dunlap, Georgis Ann, 25 & 4; Dunlap, Louisa, 29 & 5; Francher, Christopher, 41 & 9; Francher, Triphenia, 52 & 10; Tackitt, Emberson Milum, 78 & 16; Tackitt, William Henry, 84 & 17.  The ages, where supplied, also match.  Can this duplication be clarified?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipey1 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 23 September 2008
:There isn't a 'Killed' list; the list is of those emigrants who are believed to have been at the meadows during the massacre, including the surviving children. The children who survived are listed in bold, versus the normal text for the names of those who were massacred. Hope that makes sense and answers your questions--Mangoman88 (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Duplication

message: With the long name lists on this article, it would seem usefull to actually split those out to their own list-based article; perhaps it could be named List of Baker-Fancher party members. The long lists as they are now brake-up the flow of the article, and make it harder to read. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the longest of these lists collapsible which kind of helped, but I still think there should be a list based article. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving the list to its own article sounds like a good idea to me.--Mangoman88 (talk) 01:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move name lists to own article? 

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message: The list seems to be incomplete. Came across a news article showing my Great Great Grandfather William Stowell a surviving child raised by Indians. His parents Daniel and Louisa Stowell were also killed at the  incident. This article says “ William A.Stowell, whose parents were killed by Mormons in the Mountain Meadow Massacre.  The boy escaped and lived for awhile with Indians. He joined General Johnston’s army and came to California with it.” 
Best I can tell it was a San Francisco newspaper ( Chronicle?) possibly 1928 as it mentions Stowell’s widow Celeste Ann Twitchell ( Hickok) being in the Diamond Jubilee parade representing the “native Sons and Daughters of San Joaquin County”. Mhoff2404 (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The information is very interesting but it cannot be used as a reference since it is not from a cited source. We would need more information about the newspaper to use it as a reference. Sadly, an undated clipping isn't much help. I was only able to find it at http://www.barnum.org/nti04652.htm and at http://www.cowboypoetry.com/photowk6.htm but those are transcriptions. Shearonink (talk) 15:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baker-Fancher Partying was