Talk:Bad trip

message: I've also heard that benzodiazapines such as valium can take the edge off a bad trip.  I've heard conflicting reports regarding antipsychotics207.157.121.50 08:09bb, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:Antipsychotics will work for some hallucinogenic drugs (LSD, psilocybin) but not for others (PCP. Ketamine).  I'll add it to the article.
I've heard the same thing as the first person. Antipsychotics interact with the dopamine pathway. Although protocal calls for use of antipsychotics, monitoring and "talking down" work better. Unfortunately, I don't have a source to back that up. As for Valium, I've heard the same thing, but among experienced trippers in forums. I'd figure it would be much more effective. Valium is also listed on wikipedia (with supporting citations) as used for overdose of stimulants and hallucinagens.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.225.216 (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  valium anyone? 

message: I suggest renaming this article Difficult trip since the concept of "bad trip" has more do to with ignorance of the tripper and inappropriate expectations of the trip experience that with some self-existent category of psychedelic experience. Haiduc 15:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misnomer 

message: I'm a psychologist-to-be (still in grad school) but one of the first-day, only-idiots-say-this things they drill into your head is the distinction between depression and sadness: depression is a medical condition, a symptom of which is sadness. Depression has a specific set of criteria, the main one of which is it must be prolonged. People who are bummed out, who say "I'm depressed" are an example of a common mixup of the two terms..  Thus, to say that a symptom of a bad trip is depression is simply wrong.  I know this might sound nitpicky to people outside of psychology or the medical field, but it is one of those things that bug me. Youaredj
: Your argument makes sense, but evidently depression within itself is it's own state (and can last long or short), as opposed to clinical depression (which I believe is what you are referring to). So I suppose it would be incorrect to rename the symptom to sadness. angular (discuss·contribs) 04:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depression/Sadness 

message: "marijuana should not be used while under the influence of a hallucinogen especially at difficult moments, since instead of calming, it is likely to exacerbate confusion, panic and paranoia."
I don't know how true this is. Experienced cannabis users (such as myself) usually never get anxiety during smoking; It's usually just calming and relaxing. So, I think that if you don't get anxiety from it, it would only help keep the trip relaxing as well and keep you in a good mood (This is what I've always heard). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.232.78.236 (talk) 05:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Marijuana can either (significantly) worsen or improve a bad trip. This mostly depends on how experienced one is. I'd say it's better to warn in the article about the negative effect of this combination, since most people are likely not "psychonauts" but only one-time experimenters. Experienced users will disregard the warning and smoke anyway, so it's still cool.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.159.14 (talk) 03:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marijuana's effect on the trip 

message: In the LSD article, it says that LSD is not a hallucinogen, but a psychotropic, as it does not cause true hallucinations, such as those experienced with deleriants. This article refers to a series of drugs including LSD as hallucinogens. I don't know which is right, but is this not a contradiction?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by User2801 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a contradiction, the use of "hallucinogen" to describe LSD and functional analogues is incorrect. Haiduc (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though I know about the incorrectness of calling LSD a hallucinogen, it is probably better to call it as such since ~90% of old and new scientific reports classify it as such (in this case changing the name now is simply not practical). Even the most pro-psychedelics people usually call them hallucinogens when they are addressing scientific readers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.159.14 (talk) 03:34, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallucinogen or psychotropic? 

message: Seeing as the term "bad trip" itself is pretty much a slang term, and "psychedelic crisis" appears to be a compromise constructed for this article rather than a clinical term, I have to call into questiong the phrase "profoundly disturbing".  I would describe my second LSD experience (of three) as a "bad trip", but it wasn't "profoundly disturbing".  Based on my limited experience, and on hearing anecdotes and such from more experienced users, an acid trip is either a good trip or a bad trip, but it doesn't have to be an absolute nightmare to be a bad trip.  I'm not making the edit right now because I currently don't feel qualified to make this judgement, but I thought it should be discussed. - Ugliness Man (talk) 06:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People on "bad trips" are profoundly upset, cannot find their right mind and think they have lost it forever, and are often in fear of personal or global annihilation (among many other terrors and agonies that they may suffer). I cannot give you references right now as I am not in my office, but the literature, and especially Stan Grof, goes into this extensively. Maybe your bad trip was not bad enough? Haiduc (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: On second thought, sorry to so rigid about it. Would you agree to rephrasing the text so as to include a range of experiences?. Haiduc (talk) 07:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be ideal.  Obviously, make it plain that it's a negative experience while under the influence of a hallucinagenic substance, but any mention of the "crisis" interp should be presented as a potential, not the only form. - Ugliness Man (talk) 09:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  too strong? 

message: Maybe there should be some information about how to avoid bad trips? Here are some ideas of what could be added:
* Using drugs to abort the trip, and what those drugs may be (Antipsychotics, benzodiazepines, ..)
* Set and setting  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.14.40.221 (talk) 23:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoiding bad trips 

message: Currently, the 'Aspects' section appears almost entirely devoted to describing the very worst and most extreme kinds of experiences.  This seems greatly out of balance, as most recorded negative experiences are of a much more limited scale and character, and may often, as described in other sections of the article, yield positive results.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imbalance in 'Aspects' section 

message: This page should be forwarded to the currently preferred term 'challenging experiences'. 
Here are some papers that go in to these and offer much novel insights that should be added to the page: 
* Assessing the risk–benefit profile of classical psychedelics: a clinical review of second-wave psychedelic research
* Day trip to hell: A mixed methods study of challenging psychedelic experiences  
* Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration: A Transtheoretical Model for Clinical Practice 
* Language as a Window Into the Altered State of Consciousness Elicited by Psychedelic Drugs
* The Challenging Experience Questionnaire: Characterization of challenging experiences with psilocybin mushrooms
* Misguided Mainstreaming of Psychedelic Drugs: Challenging Experiences
~~Cdreue~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdreue (talk • contribs) 00:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of this article is stigmatizing and there is much new research that contradicts what is written in this article