Talk:Osteogenesis imperfecta

message: A bit more on the actual genetic causes would probably be apporpriate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.184.30.132 (talk) 19:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits are very welcome and have certainly added some good content to the article.  I started it off a while back knowing very little about OI, so it's nice for someone that clearly knows what they are talking about to come along and expand it.  As for Michael J. Anderson, I would agree with adding some information there as those three sources are reputable enough to show that it's true, and it is therefore an important part of his life.  violet/riga (t) 06:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Linked to the French one which seems to be the oldest of the four, and one of the best done perhaps. Although they spell it like "Osteogenie Imparfait"--T. Anthony 17:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Genetic Explanation?

message: I took that off because I don't see what that's referring to. I have OI and most everything in this is mostly mainstream. The article has in least 8 citations and more now. There are some things about hormonal issues that strike me as a bit off, but the little citation { {fact} }(take out spaces) should've sufficed there.--T. Anthony 07:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs referenced, huh?

message: T. Anthony:
My uncle has OI and I have always been curious to learn more about the disease, that's why I chose it for my topic for my paper. I am wondering if you can help me with any more sources or any other information that might be useful for my paper. Everything I am finding is loaded down with so much medical terminology that I am having a hard time deciding what to write. Thanks.AngiH 02:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Curiously I was not particularly interested in my condition until adulthood. It's just what I am, like being blue-eyed or a male. Anyway I'm assuming you checked the OIF correct? There's also OIF Europe which you might try. There are OIs with blogs and websites, in fact I think it might be fair to say there's a disproportionate amount of that. OI has no effect on intelligence, although there's disputed evidence that indicates we our average intelligence might be a bit better than average, but some of us are severe enough to be homebound for much of the time. Some I find are Wheelmansplace, Beyond Independence (A NASA engineer's site, All about Dave (he also has epilepsy, and many others. This article is also relatively good all things considered. Basically the main concerns for us are accidents and respiratory problems. I personally find advantages to it, but what advantages there are vary from person to person. Some OIs are "emotionally upbeat" compared to average people, I am and some studies indicate this is unusually common, but it is very far from universal. I've only rarely heard of OIs with clinical depression, but this might be my lack of knowledge, but I have heard of OIs who are depressed because of isolation or pain. This is all very anecdotal though, but you seemed to indicate you wanted less clinical.--T. Anthony 09:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doing Research for Term Paper 

message: Someone should edit the section that says Bisphosphonates do not affect adult OI patients. BP do increase bone mass in adults who are no longer growing; OI is no exception. BPs decrease bone resorption, leading to an overall increase in bone density. They are used for this purpose to treat osteoporosis in adults. 
I'll get to it when I next get a chance, otherwise someone else can feel free to jump in. Dr Aaron 07:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisphosphonates 

message: Hi, I came across this page through Recessive-Dominate genetics and genetically linked diseases, and this disease sounds very similar to something that affects my mother, sister, uncle, and affected my grandfather.  It's known that the disease is hereditary, and dominant, it has caused weak bones among all of them, my mother in fact had a vertebra collapse simply from breast-feeding (after that she was told that she needed her calcium more than her newborn babies need natural breast milk.)  My sister also has had numerous fractures throughout her life.  A bone density test on my mother showed that she had density drastically and significantly under that necessary to diagnose Osteoperosis (surgeons repairing a fracture of her femur told us that it was like drilling into sugar cubes), and my sister at the age of 25 had a bone density scan that showed her to have the bones of a healthy 80-year old.
Although the primary issue is similar, (the weakness of bones, and their insufficient generation) There are quite a few symptoms.  As those suffering from this disease in my family are relatively healthy otherwise, it is definitely not similar to Type II.  As there is no known loss of hearing, nor a drop off of fractures after puberty, while accounting for the fact that they are simply more careful now.  People don't go around pushing my sister off her tri-cycle anymore, and neither are people jumping on my mother's back.
But they are certainly just as susceptable to breaks, as evidenced by my sister falling simply from ice-skating and breaking her femur (again), and my mother falling in an airport from a people-mover at ground level to floor and breaking three limbs, sparing her right arm only because she was reaching out trying to catch herself.
There is also no bone disformity, the bones appear otherwise completely healthy.
In many ways this disease is similar to OI, and would certainly fit the meaning of the phrase "Osteogensis Imperfecta", but does not share many of the other effects that are related to OI.  In many ways, it seems to impact similarly to and with symptoms that are much more like Osteoporosis, except not being age-related, and is definitely genetic.  It's also known that it correlates with  Hyperphosphatasemia after puberty but not before.
Would anyone with OI, or knowledgable of OI be able to say if it would be typical to have high levels of Alkaline Phosphatase after puberty but not before?  The big related causes to hyperphosphatasemia, and related to bone disorders appear to be Paget's disease, and cancers of the bone (of which this is certainly not cancerous), and Paget's disease appears to not be genetic at all, and beside that, it is said to be rare in people under 40 years of age, I would think it unusual to have 4 people in a direct bloodline have paget's disease from the age of about 5.
Could anyone help me out with any information?
:I've posted an answer on your talk page.
:Dr Aaron 02:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dominate Hereditary Condition similar to OI 

message: In the beginning of Season 5 of Scrubs (TV series), doesn't Elliot have an OI fellowship at a different hospital? And if so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the Potrayal in popular culture section? Mmace91 21:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't watched the show faithfully, but apparently she does have something like that.--T. Anthony 13:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scrubs 

message: My nephew has this and it has also been determined that he has a high tolerance for pain. I was wondering if this is common among OI patients. Because of his high tolerance, and lack of family history, his condition was not detected until he was nearly two years old, and not until after he was taken away from his family under accusations of child abuse. I believe a section on accusations of child abuse should be added as I understand it is pretty common. I'd add it myself but due to my family's experience I wouldn't be able to write it NPOV.nut-meg 04:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Tolerance for Pain? 

message: We should add that there have been cases of kids being taken for there parents because Social Services thinks that the parents are abusing the kids when in fact the kids suffer from OI. I will start to work on it soon. Fswiergul 22:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My family went through that. It was a nightmare, and I thnk it is an important aspect of this disease. Awareness is key. nut-meg 15:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: On the flipside there has been a few parents who claimed their kid had OI to get out of abuse charges, but then they found out the kid didn't. Also I know of at least one case where the kid had OI and she was the victim of abuse. (Her Mom flipped out and threw her down a staircase. (That story can not be put in the article as it's anecdotal, but cases of abusers falsely claiming OI are recorded)--T. Anthony 10:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not child abuse 

message: I was thinking we should add not everyone with OI fits perfectly into the types. I have had OVER 400 breaks and rebreaks, had to get my spine fused because of because of servere spine curvature, was born with multible freature in defferent stages of healing. But I don't have discolouration of the sclera,Loose joints, Poor muscle tone or hearing loss. I just think it would be nice to add.
Fswiergul 14:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not everyone fits 

message: It would be good if someone added (in the popular culture references section) a mention of the "30 Rock" episodes in which
a character had Avian Bone Syndrome.  From Google results, it appears most people don't realize there is a real condition that
that is based on (although portrayed in a wildly inaccurate way).  68.162.136.251 (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add reference to "Avian Bone Syndrome"? 

message: Currently the article reads "Save for the increased risk of fatal bone fractures, life expectancy is normal".  This isn't true though, 25% of people who have type I suffer from Basilar Invagination, which left untreated will often progress to fatality.  The only study I can find on life expectancy is from the BMJ which shows life expectancy reduced by about 5 years at birth, but up to 10 years accounting for margin of error.  While this comes from a reputable source, the doctor who published is rather less reputable.  I have changed the sentence to "Life expectancy is slightly reduced compared to the general population due to the possibility of fatal bone fractures and complications related to OI Type I such as Basilar Invagination." BigTurnip (talk) 03:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what Basilar Invagination is, and the wikilink is dead. I suggest a few things. One, find out if there is another name for Basilar Invagination. If there is, and Wikipedia has an article on it, create a redirect page. Two, you need to cite this bit about life expectancy. You have some specific facts. Where did this information come from? nut-meg (talk) 07:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking it up it seems to refer to the spine and brain stem, which kind of freaks me out as I bend my neck backward when using the computer.--T. Anthony (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

text:  "Basilar impression". It's not just a type I problem -- actually it's more likely for the more severe cases because then the bottom of the skull is softer. If it's mentioned as a potentially lethal complication, then it should be taken as a potential issue for all OI patients. HuckFinn (talk) 23:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type I life expectancy 

message: When my Mom first saw him she thought he had OI, but I didn't really. However the sources seem to indicate he does so I added him. I hope I'm not jumping the gun here.--T. Anthony (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atticus Shaffer 

message: There are currently two "Diagnosis" sections right next to each other. I suspect there should only be one, and perhaps they can be merged together, but I don't have enough knowledge of this subject to feel comfortable editing them. Nevertheless, is there any reason why there should be two of the same section in this article? Metheglyn (talk) 00:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're right. There is no need for two diagnosis sections and they should be merged. I'll work on correcting this issue in the future. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 00:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two "Diagnosis" sections? 

message: Not mentioned in article. 31.53.185.104 (talk) 11:17, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does "osteopsathyrosis" redirect here? 

message: There are no references showing notability thus I have removed this long list of trivia 
We are not here to watch tv shows and then list if disease X appears in it. IMO this is not encyclopedic. Second issues is that it is not verified. And third issue is that it is original research. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with these points , it seems original research and not verified...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Long list of unreffed trivia

message: doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(15)00728-X JFW | T@lk 16:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lancet seminar 

message: This article isn't really great in the way that it approaches types. As our understanding of genetics have improved, as has our understanding of the causes of this disease, the types have changed. There were three main eras of types. In the first era, let's say 1895–≈1960, there were only two types: tarda and congenita. After that, the numbering system came into play. But it was all based on clinical traits. After around the 2000s when genetics were finally usable as a diagnostic criteria, the types started to get mapped on to specific mutations. So a lot of people have a clinical type and then a genetic type. And still more people don't know their genetic type because a lot of insurance companies don't consider it important information in terms of treatment. There are also far more than 10 classified types now. I believe that the last OI Foundation meeting I sat through one of the doctors stated that there were 24 types classified as of 2019. We need to totally rethink how this article approaches types. There's a historical lens to all this that is being ignored. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 16:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtypes 

message: I believe that User:Bonelink is a representative of the OI Foundation, as [redacted]. They added some statements about the OIF which I reverted, and I posted a message to their talk. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 20:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note for other editors in re possible COI of [[User:Bonelink]] 

message: Just a thought, but Samuel L. Jackson played Elijah Price/Mr. Glass in "Unbreakable" and "Glass". How about adding that to the "Society and culture" section or maybe a new section of "in pop culture" or something? He is quite a character. 84.63.45.187 (talk) 22:40, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is appropriate. The content is already at . I have amended the page to make it more clear that this section exists in the target article. To add content like this to the main article needlessly prioritizes some depictions over others (WP:GLOBAL), it also implies that one depiction or another may be good. (Mr. Glass hardly has a realistic case.) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Elijah Price/Mr. Glass from the movie "Unbreakable" and "Glass" in "Society and culture" section? 

message: Currently says,
 "Dogs who are heterozygous for OI should only be bred to non-carriers. Homozygous carriers should never be bred, unless it is to a non-carrier."
These two sentences are both saying the same thing. The source cited for those sentences actually says that a dog homozygous for OI should never be bred, period.  2601:4C0:8100:194:B31F:8804:EF70:F58 (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @2601:4C0:8100:194:B31F:8804:EF70:F58—thanks, done. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section about dogs