Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Members

message: Any specific reason why the list has gone all dodgy? Exxy (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first table was missing its closing code. Fixed now. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 14:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participants list 

message: I think it would reduce the chance for confusion if the two tables were in separate sections. Is there a reason why they are not?
Also has the list really not been purged for over two years? It might be something to set a wikignome onto.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Peter. I ended up adding myself twice due to the lack of sections. I propose that we add sections to this list. UnknownThing (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also agree: the same happened to me a few weeks ago. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  So why aren't there separate sections?  And purging 

message: Along with the 7 layout changes described above, I now also propose, that we agree to run the following 3 new maintenance procedures, for the Member list.
:Procedure 1: All WPF members are now asked in the introduction chapter, to run a proper "self maintenance" of the "Active member list".
:After checking the entire member list, I found several examples of members listed twice, members not being delisted as inactive -despite no longer having an active user account, and several members who simply just lost the interest to edit anymore football related articles. If we can get the majority of all WPF members motivated, to help perform the appropriate "self maintenance" of the "Active member list", meaning that we all remember to remove ourself to the inactive members list in case of inactivity, then it will become several times more easy for one of us, to occationaly run a still needed seasonal "activity check" of the member list. Even in the best of all best worlds, a seasonal "activity check" will still be needed, to ensure that the few who dont comply with the "self maintenance" procedure, are still being "automaticly removed" from the list (as described by procedure 3).
:Procedure 2: All WPF members will now be checked towards a new "definition of inactivity", to decide if they should be moved to the Inactive member list.
:I believe the majority of members, from time to time will experience a shorter while of inactivity, without being an expression of "loosing their interest to stay as a contributer and member of WikiProject Football". To allow for these seasonal changes in activity throughout the year, I found it was more appropriate, to only enforce a "membership removal" in those cases, where member accounts were found inactive for a roling period of 12 months. Previously the page suggested "automatic removal" after inactivity in only 3 months, but this is way too short, if we want to allow for "seasonal fluctuation" in the members contribution. Thus, the new enforced "definition of inactivity" is:  Whenever someone fail to post minimum 1 edit to a football related talk page or article, within the last 12 months. 
:Procedure 3: We start to perform a "seasonal activity check" once every second month, to make sure that all inactive members automaticly will be removed.
:As of 30 November 2010, the list of inactive WPF members did not receive any major update throughout the past 3 years! We therefor need to hurry up a bit, and soon perform the awaiting clean-up task of the Active Member List. It can either be done manualy, simply by checking each users contribution, or be automaticly computed by a java program. The automatic solution might be the fastest one, but also demand you to first install and compile the java program (plus downloading a 14GB datadump file from the Wikipedia server), before being able to perform the job. Next weekend, I will dedicate some time to perform the activity check for all the current 612 WPF members in the "Active members list". For the future, it would however be a good idea, if we all help to perform the "activity check" once every second month. When the member list is updated at regular intervals, the job of doing it, become fairly fast and easy. Yet we still need all members to help run the "update procedure", to avoid that one member become overly burdened by the task. :-)
Danish Expert (talk) 16:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New maintenance procedures for the Member list 

message: Now the time has come, where I can also report the result from the first complete "activity check" of the "Active member list" in 3 years. The check and update of the member list was completed at December 20, and made the number of active members decline from 612 to 312. This mean, that we today have a total of 342 inactive members and 313 active members of WikiProject Football. In regards of the best method to conduct the "activity check", I found out this was actually to run a manuel check of each WPF member, by clicking at their "contribs link" in the member table. Because by doing that, we get a full set of data to evaluate; meaning that we both can judge by visible inspection, if any football related edits were performed in the past 12 months, and at the same time learn if the seemingly "dead" accounts, perhabs suffered from being recently blocked/renamed (by also clicking at the user page link). The previously suggested "automatic edit calculation" performed by a Java program, will only reveal if the wikipedia user account is dead/alive, and therefor is not suited to perform the more narrow activity check. Moreover I found out, it was also rather fast to click and check the contributions link manually. So I will definately recommend this method for all upcoming activity checks, in the future.
The performed "acitivity check" also revealed, that among the 342 inactive members, we currently have 19 blocked user accounts and 14 renamed user accounts. In regards of the blocked accounts, they had all been given an "indifinite" time stamp, and thus I immedeately classified them as "inactive", irrespectively of when the blocking occured. Those 14 user accounts that had been renamed, and had not subsribed to any additional taskforces in WPF, were also automaticly delisted as "inactive members". The fact that they didnt care to rename their user names in the member table, to show the new correct one, is in my point of view, just another sign of inactivity, and justify they are also listed as such. At least until the time, where they decide to visit the WPF member list, and subscribe as a new WPF member again, with their new renamed user account.
As a last statistical information, I can also reveal, that among the 342 inactive user accounts, approximately 50% of them had a total Wikipedia edit count for the past 12 months at 0 edits, while the remaining 50% had a few/many Wikipedia edits within the past 12 months -but not a single of those edits being related to articles/talk pages within the Football field. This last type of "inactive members", both include the group of former members, who suddenly lost interest to edit football related pages, but also include a relatively big group of WPF member wannabes. In example I found out, that one of these wannabes, had opted to subsribe to no less than 40 various WikiProjects, but in the last 12 month dedicated all his 100 edits, to only update his own user page, and had no Wikipedia related edits at all!
Now when the "Active member list" has received a full "activity check", I propose one us run the next activity check of the list, by the end of February 2011. When running the check every second month, there will be no need each time to conduct a narrow check of any football related edits, for those accounts with a very high current edit activity (meaning above 100 edits in the past 12 months). As that part of the "activity check", is probably the most time consuming part, I think its perfectly okay, to leave those accounts only to be checked at yearly intervals. If the next who run the activity check, limit himself only to check all Active member accounts with less than 100 edits in the past 12 months, for any "football related edits", then it will be possible to perform this seasonal activity check, within only 1 hour. :-)
Danish Expert (talk) 19:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Result of the first complete "activity check" in 3 years

message: After my recent check of how the member list developed during the past 7 month, I this morning realised we had an urgent need to also improve the sectional structure of the member list. The fact that the list started with a section title named "Members", ment that 5 out of 50 new members accidently pushed the "Members" edit buttom, and browsed down to the buttom of the edit window -where they accidently added their name at the buttom of the "Former member list". To avoid such mistakes in the future, I simply just removed the title named "Members", so that we now only have "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Members" as main title, followed by the two sections named "Active members" and "Former members". Hereby the risk of mixing up the two lists is now greatly reduced.
By the way, it is fully intentional that the former member list also currently lack a number coloumn, with the same reason of working as a visible layout differention to the "Active member list" -in order to avoid confusion what list the reader is currently looking at. Perhaps it could also be considered at a later point of time, simply to create a subpage dedicated only to show the list of "Former members", in order to achieve an optimal differentation between the two lists. On the other hand, many will however appreciate that both the "Active member list" and "Former member list" is covered by the same page (as 2 lists in 1 page makes it possible by a single click to "browser-search" both lists for a certain name). So for now, I opted to keep it structured with both lists at the same page. Danish Expert (talk) 06:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improved sectional structure 

message: Hello everyone, 
I'm the photographer who took the picture that is currently being used on the Darren Mattocks (Vancouver Whitecaps, MLS) wiki page (as of 8/8/12). I don't mind it being used and I'm thrilled it was chosen for inclusion, as my photos have a Creative Commons license. However, I only ask that the photo be attributed to me and if possible, with a link. I'm brand new to Wikipedia so I don't know how to edit such things and I don't want to try for fear of screwing up the other content. Please show me how to include my attribution or please make the edit for me. 
Here is my Flickr page for reference:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulottaviano/
and the specific photo, which was cropped for inclusion here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulottaviano/7338767190/in/photostream
I can provide other details, files, and witnesses for additional proof if necessary. 
Again, I'm new to Wikipedia so if this request should have been transmitted somewhere else or by other means I do apologize for that. 
Thank you for choosing the photo I took! I do have more good ones of him if you're interested.
Best Regards, 
Paul Ottaviano  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Ottaviano (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darren Mattocks wiki page photo source 

message: How do you find out whether a  members  is in-active in football related article or failed to post any football related edits during the past 6 months. Is it a Bot.Certain users are displayed as inactive. KAS(talk) 07:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question related Activity check for WPF members