Talk:Artificial consciousness/Archive 3

message: I have made a start on a version which will attempt to put the real artificial consciousness position.  But this, I am finding, requires contrast with the AC can never be real view so that is fleshed out too but it is not my intention to argue for that view.  Please all feel free to contribute at Talk:Artificial consciousness/real.  There are no special rules about contributing there.  It is not my page, and there is no Master Editor:  No unreasoned reverts, please, as per normal Wikipedia etiquette.  All standard Wikipedia behaviour is permitted, including anonymous edits.  As with all Wikipedia articles, this is a "work in progress".  Tkorrovi is encouraged to contribute as is Paul Beardsell.  But I understand that tkorrovi may be creating a version looking at AC from a more AC can not be real perspective and I have suggested that happen, if at all, here 
Talk:Artificial consciousness/notreal.  Ataturk 02:38, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: New Version(s)

message: > No, you suggest to write an article either entirely based on one point of view or entirely based on other point of view ("real" or "not real"), this is not NPOV ("no point of view") principle of Wikipedia. As there are different points of view, then the article can be NPOV only when all these points of view are incorporated in one article. Tkorrovi
> Now you have me confused as only a few paras above you seem to be in favour of the idea. Ataturk 02:35, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You said I could not contribute unless I registered.  Previously my contribution was anonymous.  Ataturk 04:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Ataturk?

message: The article was frozen pending consensus.  As there was an edit war going on presumably not everyone is happy with the frozen version.  A task was set - to achieve consensus here.  A new version of the article seems to this writer to fairly represent the various POVs expressed so far.  Other versions have been invited.  Other contributions have been invited.  This writer proposes that in the absence of other versions that the version so far contributed should be considered the consensus view if only by default.  And that it be made the new unfrozen version of the article.  Do not complain about this proposal, get editing if you are unhappy.  203.100.251.10 05:00, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: You make a lot of noise but you have stopped contributing.  Are you happy with the proposed new version or not?  Paul Beardsell 17:15, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: No dispute is solved yet

message: Editors are encouraged, should they find their contributions unwelcome here, to contribute to an article which has evolved from the frozen version of this one and which seems to represent practically all POVs expressed here, ever.  It has also moved on and contains new and interesting edits.  See Consciousness (artificial).  203.221.246.108 02:12, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Consciousness (artificial)

message: At the top of the new candidate consensus version of artificial consciousness to be found at consciousness (artificial) the following notice can be found:
:Please see artificial consciousness for an alternative article on this subject. This article derives from that one. See Village pump also.
I wish to have a similar notice at the top of this Talk page.  I ask that tkorrovi stop removing such notice.
Ataturk 11:51, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Reciprocal courtesy requested

message: I had some reason to consider a masked attempt by Paul Beardsell to make this article effectively blank. See revision http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Artificial_consciousness&diff=2749589&oldid=2749452 and before that he tried to remove other components of article what he only left in the article in that revision. I tried to protect the content of this article.  Tkorrovi 15 Mar 2004
You try to protect the article from improvement.  Paul Beardsell 16:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you petition the Wikipedia developers to change the system so that it works like you want.  In the interim I suggest you operate in accordance with the current system.  Paul Beardsell 17:22, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Stay, read NPOV, stop reverting without good reason, contribute.  Paul Beardsell 17:23, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Your position is stronger than that:  What you say by your actions is that only you maintain this article.  I am going to move Artificial consciousness to Tkorrovi's article.   Paul Beardsell 01:36, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: New Comments