Talk:Steve Irwin/Archive 2

message: With all due respect to the dead subject, I am a little uncomfortable with the statement "Irwin's personality and outrageous antics in the series made him an international celebrity". While he certainly was a great guy, that doesn't really sound very neutral to me, sounds more like a point of view/opinion. Thoughts?--Badharlick 10:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, "outrageous antics" doesn't sound very positive to me! pfctdayelise (translate?) 12:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Badharlick may have a point here, about the word if not the sentiment. "Outrageous" actually means immoderate, shocking, grossly cruel, immoral or offensive. Perhaps "eccentric" is more suited? Devious Viper 13:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not the common usage of the word, which Wikipedia says we should use. Something tells me you'd be in favour of retaining the title "Red Army Faction" over a change to "Red Army Fraction" (which is the proper translation), so at the same time you should expect that the connotations of "outrageous" far outweigh its denotations. Professor Ninja 14:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: The article says he died september 4 at 11:00am but right now is september 4 and it's 2:40.Did he died september 3.User:Alfredosolis
It was 11:00am Eastern Standard Time for Australia where he was. VoRn 09:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He died just after 11.00am (Australian Eastern time) on Monday 4 September. The news broke about 3 hours later after his family had been informed. The first edit was made to the Wikipedia article at about 2.13pm (but reverted shortly afterwards as unverified), so the article was amended very quickly after the event. --Canley 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mate, that comment is one of the all-time pearler's i've ever seen on Wikipedia! Mike2680 12:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally have to agree, and secondly, it's the fourth of september not september four or four september. The later two imply that there are 4 different septembers, this is impossible in one year. Learn to speak english. Nick carson 14:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: funny how the wikipedia timestamp says 4 september. stop being so pedantic.
Why does it say he was taken to Cairns Base Hospital, and "where Irwin was pronounced dead on arrival at noon." when the Reference it points to says something completely different "The response unit left in a helicopter for the Batt Reef at 11.18am and arrived shortly after. Mr Irwin was pronounced dead at the scene immediately, the spokeswoman said." Can someone change that? Chard Kingchard 12:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: September 3 or 4

message: There is a link to his phrase "Crikey!" which goes to an article about the website crikey.com, which I feel holds no relevance to his catch phrase.
:I've removed the link. --Canley 09:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crikey Link 

message: Please feel free to revoke me if you want, but given that there will be all sorts of things done by people all over the world in tribute to, and in memory of Steve, I don't feel that the MSN Messenger icon fact is particularly important to an encyclopedia article.  I've removed it - I hope that's okay. Ormondroyd 09:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it, and have asked the editor for a source. Even then, I don't think it's notable enough for inclusion. -- Longhair 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wait for now- its taken a fairly strong grip on MSN right now. Maybe in a day or two if there is a news article on it then include the MSN reference. Ronan.evans 11:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just re-removed it.  It's certainly WP:OR right now. — ceejayoz talk 12:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Turtle - see Elseya irwini which I unfortunately tagged as a hoax --ArmadilloFromHell 16:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MSN Messenger  

message: According to Upper Ferntree Gully he was born in William Angliss Hospital, but according to this page, Steve Irwin, he was born in Essendon. Which page is right? (at least before the page was just vandalised :-()
*In the BBC News' obituary http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311982.stm they say Essendon. --Beeurd 13:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Essendon is a suburb of Melbourne, and the William Angliss Hospital is a hospital in Melbourne, so he was either born in william angliss or he was born at home in essendon, thats the question you should be asking. Nick carson 14:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth place 

message: --Greasysteve13 10:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The documentary is called Ice Breaker  --TBCTaLk?!? 10:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: thanks--Greasysteve13 10:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was the name of his Antarctica doco? 

message: This article talk page has recieved over 100 edits in the last 3 hours. It is going to need frequent archiving. Exercise caution and ensure that important discussions arent lost. Gnangarra 10:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be more careful when doing this in future, you removed one of my recent questions before anyone could respond to it. I've put it back, but I'd rather not have to keep doing this. --Badharlick 11:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I thought archiving was for old discussions (from weeks/months ago), not for current discussions that people might still want to respond to. 217.34.39.123 11:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The intention was to archive earlier discussions including speculations about the current news and tributes that where aprt of 100+ edits to this page inside 3 hrs at that stage. The volume of edits was causing conflicts in achieving this so I quickly cut then pasted and was in the process of linking the  archive back when Badharlick highlighted his question. I hadnt had the opportunity to check all the removed for any discussions that needed to be returned. Gnangarra 14:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: According to Terri Irwin's wiki entry (and backed up by the Croc Hunter website), she has an AM for services to tourism however it appears Steve does not.   Is that true? --bacco007 10:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so..I mean Steve did once get the Australian of the Year award..not too sure though =/ EmeZxX 12:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think Steve Irwin did get Australian of the year award, that was Steve Waugh, a cricket player. Nick carson 14:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Australia

message: Had to do it. We were literally having 3-4 edits a minute. It was so many that it was impossible to patrol. We'll give it a little bit of time. --Woohookitty(meow) 10:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprotected...again 

message: I was reading this bit of dicsussion and it disappeared.  Anyway, according to the official  Australia Zoo website it was "stingray barb to his heart". :( Therefore citation 19 on the article page appears correct.  Groovycathers 12:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'pronounced dead as soon as they brought him up'? What, they had a doctor on board?--SilasM 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: rest in peace, croc hunter --85.124.140.242 13:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I was just watching CNN and they showed a statement OFFICIALLY from Steve's manager who was with him at the time of the accident. He said and I paraphrase, that Steve Irwin was punctured through the chest by the stingray barb and it "put a hole in his heart." He also added that he likely died instantly. It was not the venom, but the bayonet-like barb puncturing his heart and causing cardiac arrest. I'm not gonna edit the article, but I hope that I am a respected enough Wikipedian that my testimony helps resolve the matter. Since it was on CNN, I do not have a "source" officially and they have not updated their page to reflect the "through heart" testimony. The great kawa 14:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait till the results of the autopsy. It was conducted last night, so the official cause of death should be known sometime soon. Rafy 14:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of death 

message: Please protect against anonymous IPs, etc. Thanks. —☆ CieloEstrellado 12:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! —☆ CieloEstrellado 12:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: What happened to the sprotection? As soon as it was lifted, the vandalism came back! Please sprotect it again! A man just died — he shouldn't be made fun of! --Tachikoma 13:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah..I've been checking on this page for about an hour, and the vandalism thing keeps coming on and off. - EmeZxX 14:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: S Protection

message: what happened to that section...? pfctdayelise (translate?) 12:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was merged into a Controversy section. Having a section with two short sentances is pointless, thus it was merged into one. Info is still all there, it just looks less scrappy now. Cvene64 12:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Short sections = inspiration for expansion, yo. :P pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but anymore on the Antartic incident would be superfluous. Sections that could do with expanding would be image and Animal Planet. Cvene64 13:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antarctic incident 

message: Re added it for the sole reason that it is to be reworked into prose, which is going to be difficult if nobody can read what is supposed to be reworked. All the user that took out the trivia section "as per" the to do list did was delete it wholesale, which is not what the to do list instructed at all. I suggest leaving it for now until the editing dies down and somebody can use that section to rewrite it in full an in context, instead of just excising it completely and leaving whoever has to prune it to wade through what will become an invariably lengthy history. Professor Ninja 14:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readded Trivia Section 

message: It's only a matter of time before the "tripling elephants" fanboys move in on this one. -Utopianfiat 15:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How soon does this article become locked? 

message: This page is getting a LOT of vandalism. I think it needs to be locked down for now. Jasonid 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is crazy 50 edits(almost half are reverts) in 11 minutes to the article please someone put a tempory lock inplace Gnangarra 15:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The news outlets are going to have a field day with this one Jasonid 15:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this page is getting too much vadalism and it is too hard to determine which edit is valid with so much traffic.  Some comments too insensitive, so a lock down would show good protocal until things calm down. LogicUser 15:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals 

message: I have semi-protected this article (which seems to have happened several times today already). There is far too much traffic on this article for any legitimate effort to stop vandalism. The effect of this semi-protection is to stop newly-registered accounts and anonymous contributors from changing the article. In the meantime, if there is something of probative value to add to the article, these changes may be suggested here on the talk page. Thank you for your understanding and co-operation. - Mark 15:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it got unprotected a few minutes later. "that anybody can edit": 1,  "an encyclopedia":  0.    -/- Warren 15:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After seeing the frequency of the vandalism (+40 edits in less than two minutes), I had to put the sprotect back on. Yes, I would rather have sprotect on if the frequency of the vandals, along with our vandal fighting bots, leads to numerous the edit conflicts. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: The article has that he was fatally stung on the 3rd, but his death date is the 4th. Which one is correct?Joniscool98 15:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd or 4th