Talk:Columbia University/Archive 1

message: I disagree with this recent move which appears to have been done without prior consultation. "Columbia University" is almost never referred to as "Columbia University in the City of New York". I vote to move it back to "Columbia University". mat334 | talk 16:36, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
The name of the university is Columbia University, NOT Columbia University in the City of New York. The name of the associated corporation which holds the university, its holdings, and is enacted via its charter (which says Kings College in the first place) is formally "The Trustees of Columbia University  in the City Of New York. Columbia University is only legally called Columbia University in the City of New York for the sake of specificity. The legal and corporate body of the university were the trustees,  (The trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York were actually sued for some sort of trademark infringement for calling themseleves the trustees of Columbia University. Thus, the name was changed). Columbia University is not a legal entity or corporate entity, it is only the educational entity. 
#School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation, est. 1896
#School of the Arts, est. 1948
#Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, est. 1880
#Graduate School of Business, est. 1916
#Columbia College, est. 1754
#School of Continuing Education, est. 2002
#School of Dental and Oral Surgery, est 1917
#The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, est. 1864
#School of General Studies, est. 1904
#School of International and Public Affairs, est. 1946
#School of Journalism, est. 1912
#School of Law, est. 1858
#College of Physicians and Surgeons, est. 1767
#School of Nursing, est. 1892
#Mailman School of Public Health, est.1921
#School of Social Work, est. 1898.
Affiliated Institutions: 
#Barnard College
#Teachers College, Columbia University
# Jewish Theological Seminary
#Union Theological Seminary.
History: 
*In 1787: "NY Legislature approves  new  charter for "Columbia College in the City of New York," by which the College reverted to its earlier status as a privately governed college primarily serving New York City; state-appointed Regents replaced by self-perpetuating 24 Trustees with no ex officio public members; charter provided basic governance framework that has since prevailed."  
*In 1896: "May 2 -- President Low leads dedication of the Morningside campus; speaks of University's responsibilities to the City of New York; Trustees adopt institutional designation of "Columbia University in the City of New York";  undergraduate school hereinafter "Columbia College"" 
*In 1912: "Corporate name  changed by order of the New York Supreme Court to "The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York" 
--Ctrl buildtalk  19:08, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it back to Columbia University since no consensus had been reached (nor was the topic even discussed) before the original move took place. Additionally, no articles link to Columbia University in the City of New York. Darkcore 20:06, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbia University has been moved to Columbia University in the City of New York 

message: In July 1754, Samuel Johnson held the first classes.
The reader wonders whether this was Dr Johnson (1709-1784), or another Samuel Johnson.
Sebastjan
: It is a different person; I have clarified the text.
: Somebody should contribute an article on this Samuel Johnson.
: Sebastjan
* Done- see Samuel Johnson (1696-1772)
--cjs 03:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Johnson ambiguity 

message: Just to clarify something- I'm fairly certain that some of the people on the 'alumni' list have not graduated yet (Like Utada Hikaru).  Should we create a separate section for "Famous Students Currently In Attendance"? - DropDeadGorgias 19:37, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
*Just another note- Huck Hodge is listed as a "notable student", but I can't find any information on him.  I have listed his page on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion.  Please comment there if you have any information. - DropDeadGorgias 22:29, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
* I've also removed Lauryn Hill as she never graduated, and so is therefore not an alumna.  Also, why is the alumni list alphabetized by first name?  If no one can provide a good reason, I'm going to reformat it. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:58, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
::Alexander Hamilton never graduated either, but I'm not prepared to strike him. How about changing the name of the section to "Notable students and alumni"? I'm gonna go for it. Wikisux 06:36, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
* I am in favor of the phrase "Notable Columbians"... that way we can include any famous people associated in any way with columbia?  TheEngineer 08:03, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Alumni

message: Would anyone mind if I updated the info table and overhauled its design? It's out of date and it looks REALLY ugly right now. I think I'm gonna do it within a couple hours, unless anyone objects... Wikisux 09:13, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info table 

message: Image scanned from original PD source for this article no longer being used moved here to talk in case anyone ever has some use for it. -- Infrogmation 23:12, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Do we really need all of them, or even any? Is someone planning to work on them? Mat334 04:53, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline links

message: Nooooo!!! What happened? The table looked good before. Now someone has got rid of the lines. It isn't as good anymore. The lines make it nice and neat. Somebody change it back. Please. Mat334 21:51, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Information box

message: As I am not affiliated with Columbia in any way, I wanted to post a proposal and see what the general consensus would be.  
At present, every division of Columbia has an article with a brief description, including Columbia Business School, Columbia College of Columbia University, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University School of Social Work, Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, Teachers College, Union Theological Seminary.  However, many of these school divisions within Columbia really don't deserve their own article, and on their merits should be at best a subsection of the Columbia University article.  Perhaps Union Theological and Barnard should be independent, but they are the exceptions.  I would like to see an exceptional edit where these divisions, and possibly the other Columbia-related pages including Clubs and organizations of Columbia University, Columbia University Tunnels, Core Curriculum, Go Ask Alice!, List of Columbia University people, be merged into the Columbia University article.  
As it current stands, the abundance of minutiae on Columbia is bordering on fancruft, and many of these articles should abolished (turned into redirects) with their content made more pithy and concise to be summarized on the Columbia University page.
Further, the Category:Columbia University should be rescoped to connect the articles listed in List of Columbia University people, and the content of the list itself should be placed within the article under section headings of "Notable Faculty" or "Notable Alumni." 
I look forward to your comments. —ExplorerCDT 20:28, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I am starting to understand. This is a big job, so when I get a chance, I may create project, but I want to point out stats:
 Category Columbia University:
  articles: 20
  subcategories: 2
 Category Brown University:
  articles: 14
  subcategories: 1
 Category Cornell University:
  articles: 13
  subcategories: 0
 Category Princeton University:
  articles: 4
  subcategories: 0
 Category Yale University:
  articles: 10
  subcategories: 2
 Category Harvard University:
  articles: 23
  subcategories: 1
 Category Dartmouth College (smallest of the ivies):
  articles: 7
  subcategories: 0
 Category University of Pennsylvania (I suggest putting UofP in its own category)
  articles: 2
  subcategories: 0
 Category MIT:
  articles: 15
  subcategories: 0
So Yes there is bloat, but you are suggesting unilaterially cutting out all of columbia's subpages. Unlike other schools columbia is a conglomeration, not an association, therefore, in example unlike harvard encompassing radcliffe and harvard college, columbia university has barnard nearly seperate, and seas, cc, gs, etc, nearly separate, so I agree some deadheading has to be done before columbicruft becomes a word in the OED, but what I encourage you is to be very careful about things being done unilatially. The seas article was a stub for months. The social work article just suddenly got a major (and very good) major editor. So I agree with you in ideas, but not in method. This is my last major comment on this for a while. --[[User:Ctrl build|Ctrl_buildtalk ] 00:19, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Combining Columbia-related content

message: Folks, this page is pathetically self-aggrandizing. Speaking as a College alum, I'm embarrassed to be associated with such pap. Please remedy. 69.203.80.227 02:11, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the speak is over the top. Have edited some appropriately. Fuzheado | Talk 07:58, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  An exercise in masturbation? 

message: Contributors to this page may be interested in this article, which has been proposed for deletion:
Midwestern Ivy League
Please review the article and provide your input on that article's Votes for Deletion page. - 18.95.1.22 03:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Midwestern Ivy League" ? 

message: Columbia University requires all of its undergraduates to pass a swimming test in order to graduate.  The test consists of swimming three lengths of the pool without stopping and it is the bane of all seniors trying to fulfill every last requirement.  
from the College Prowler guidebook, Columbia University - Off the Record
:This is hardly interesting in itself; many colleges have or had such a requirement. MIT did during the 1960s; and a relative of mine who attended Cornell in the 1920s not only mentioned such a requirement, but told me (as true) the urban legend, universal at schools with swimming requirements: that the requirement was instituted at the behest of the wealthy parent of a drowned student, who made a huge donation to the school on condition that it require a swimming test.
:On the other hand, the factoid, mentioned in the Snopes link above, about Mortimer Adler, could conceivably be worth a mention:
::Dr. Mortimer J. Adler, who earned a PhD from Columbia University, wrote more than 30 books, taught at Columbia University, and was chairman of the board of editors of the Encyclopedia Britannica, was denied his bachelor's degree by Columbia in 1923 — despite his completing their four-year curriculum in three years and finishing at the top of his class — because he failed to pass the swimming test required for graduation. He was finally granted his degree sixty years later after informing Columbia that he had since learned how to swim and asking them to waive his disqualification
:Dpbsmith (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring Your Flippers