Template talk:Template link expanded

message: Using   is a kludge, putting it mildly, but the proper   is translated to UTF-8 by the server on the fly, and it doesn't work with old browsers.
The code column in the example shows this effect - there is of course no such thing as a monospaced  , neither emulated nor real.
Another trick used by  is | for the pipe symbol (vertical bar), a monospaced | adjacent to other text is better visible in the output for
proportional fonts. I hope you like it, it's not ideal for text mode browsers. -- Omniplex 21:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thin space 

message: The extra space between the braces and the name of the template seems like a problem to me. This template is showing up in the main lists of templates (WP:Templates). It is important that editors be able to copy and paste from these lists directly. The extra spaces mess this up. Some css code is needed to insert spacing, without inserting a character. If this "breaks" on older browsers such that the see output similar to , that's fine.--Srleffler 05:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Space should not show up in copy/paste

message: I really don't see any need for them. They look hideous; they make the output take up much more space; they're inconsistent with ; and they cause the output to break across lines. Λυδαcιτγ 04:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No spaces 

message: The template name is so small, and bold, as to be nearly unreadable in the Safari web browser (actually unreadable, for many people with poorer eyesight than I have).  Please just make it look like . — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 02:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that got it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 15:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Now virtually illegible in Safari

message: Please fix this to stop enforcing lower-case initial letters.  It looks silly and is confusing, e.g. . "What's a PBiography?" — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 15:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. SgeoTC 02:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The original change fixed the template to enforce lower-case initial letters if and only if all the other letters of the template name were lowercase; this seems to have been deliberate. Do you think that the template should be changed to preserve the case of all letters in all circumstances instead? --ais523 19:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. I would like to be able to control how the text displays. I don't see other templates doing this sort of thing. Is there some advantage I'm missing? Libcub (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . —Random832 20:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Forcibly lower-casing initial letter looks very silly

message: The "empty really doesn't work" and "empty really won't work" stuff is referring, from what I can tell, to tlx's own internal "2, 3" parameter logic, which I don't think is how most people use this template, so it's a bit confusing.  As noted, "=" can be made to work with an escape, so empty does in fact work just fine, but only if you are using the target template's parms, not tlx's:   
I would suggest splitting the doc table into two tables, one about passing other template's parms to tlx, and one about tlx's internal "2, 3" parm logic.
Also, as the =-escaping hint suggests, effectively empty would work just fine with tlx's own parms, with " ":  yields the intended  instead of the mangled  in the documentation.
Hope that helps. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 15:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Docs need updating, above

message: 
Adding more parameters to this is pretty much just a copy-paste job. It needs to support at least 25, and there are probably instances needing more, though I'm not personally aware of any.  A good example of where more parameters are needed: Template:CompactTOC8/doc. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 18:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, of course there are size limits. I didn't say it needs 100 parameters. :-)  Why not do it by hand? It's a pain in the neck, esp. if you need to illustrate 10 different complicated uses of a multip-field template.  The entire point of  is that is it useful for very quickly illustrating the use of complex templates, so it is defeating itself by having so few fields.  The case mentioned is only one of many; this too-small limitation of  bites me in the soft bits about 3x a week. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 09:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll increase the capability of this template to 10 parameters (that is, the template will have 11 parameters, since the first is devoted to the example template's name), but beyond that (as an arbitrary limit, rather than a reasoned one) it seems ridiculous, especially considering that templates with so many parameters are usually laid out vertically, and  does not support vertical layout. If you want a template for displaying the syntax of templates with more than 10 parameters, they should probably should be laid out vertically for the sake of readability. After upgrading this template, I'll check if such a template exists - if not, I will create it. Nihiltres{t.l} 15:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done - As per my comment. Nihiltres{t.l} 15:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: If the need ever does arise, create a separate template like  to handle templates with more than 10 parameters, so this one doesn't have to do a bunch of unnecessary #if's. –Pomte 16:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more parameters 

message: I need help editing this template and a few others at  --MahaPanta (talk) 02:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: Could someone please explain in plain English at the top of the documentation what this template is for? The current explanation baffles me. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 10:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, I've just asked more or less the same question over at WP:VPT - you may want to watch that post for replies. It Is Me Here (talk) 16:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple explanation needed 

message: I think there is no need for the parameters to be uppercase, and an if parser can be used to add a colon as well.--Ipatrol (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now:I'm not sure what change is being requested here.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 21:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed format change 

message: I suggest altering the transclusion  in Template:Tlx to . --Rogerb67 (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done--Aervanath (talk) 18:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fab. Thanks. --Rogerb67 (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentation transcluded incorrectly 

message: See the first line of User:Mendaliv/templates#Formatting and conversion. Specifically:

produces:
Notice the difference in the nested ? The final pair of curly braces (not part of the nested ) also lacks the formatting. Just thought I'd mention this. No idea what a fix would entail, if one is even necessary or desirable. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 19:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an interesting bug. After some investigation, I think it's a bug in MediaWiki, so I filed it. Svick (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed: it's not a problem with  per se, but a consequence of nesting one  tag inside another. The problem is replicable using raw HTML. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nesting tlx results in inconsistent formatting 

message: Why does  look so thin and unreadable now?   still looks ok.  What happened?  Can we make it look like tl again? Gigs (talk) 22:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: was never intended to look like  - tlx deliberately uses a monospace font, so that it looks like the code in an edit window; tl uses the normal proportional font, to look like normal page text. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It didn't used to look this bad. Gigs (talk) 00:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, it's same as it ever was. Have you changed browser or skin recently? --Redrose64 (talk) 00:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Check it out in the image  Gigs (talk) 01:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Here's my rendering, Linux, Firefox 3.6.13:  Gigs (talk) 19:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the change from span to tt that made it look really bad.  Gigs (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weak font? 

message: HTML5 does not support the  tag. Browsers will probably support the tag forever, but as we move towards HTML5, the use of  will result in validation errors. We should consider whether to migrate to  or CSS styling. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that HTML5 is enabled, this series of templates causes validation errors. Any objection to updating to use ? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML5 and {{tag|tt|o}} 

message: FYI, someone unredirected Template talk:Tlu, so that no longer redirects here. 76.65.128.198 (talk) 13:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Tlu]] 

message: For example from the guide for  it has 
But if you try to do  it comes out like this:
Which means it can't be properly listed on Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace/Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace/Sockpuppets
?  --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 09:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem specific to this template. When the value includes an equals sign, you have to do some tricks: see the examples section for three different ways to fix this. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't work with more than 3 arguments? 

message: The ==Documentation== section of the /doc file says:
 {{}}
 is a generalization of , ,
 et cetera with arguably better readable
 output. This depends on the browser, but too narrow
 uses of "{", "|", "}" in conjunction
 with links can be hard to read.
This documentation is transcluded by lots of tlx-family templates, and has the undesired result of substituting in the name of each of these templates in this section on their own /doc pages, when the intent seems to be to have it refer only to  itself.  Further, the "This dependes on the browser..." material seems to be intented to refer to  only, which has little to do with  at all. I'm going to WP:BOLDly just fix this, but am annotating in detail here why I'm making these changes, in case it breaks something and/or there's a better way to fix it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:51, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent documentation errors 

message:  is red linked. Why? is that template missing or under construction?aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 11:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was deleted. This happened at 09:25, 14 March 2015, following this discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:47, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  where is U? 

message: There is no longer any need for a limit on the number of parameters, since a template can be now be implemented as a Lua module. See for example . Hairy Dude (talk) 00:37, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Implement as module? 

message:  produces  It seems anything with an "=" on the parameter doesn't work. There is sort of a hint in the documentation suggesting  If this is the proper way to do this, shouldn't it be clarified in the documentation? Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not specific to  but is normal behaviour for all templates. It is covered at Help:Template#Usage hints and workarounds (first bullet), and since the "problem" is so widespread we don't copy the "fix" to every set of template documentation. As you suggest, use  which produces  --Redrose64 (talk) 00:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Another approach is to use , which inserts an equals sign without it being considered part of wiki syntax, i.e. . Hairy Dude (talk) 10:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't show second parameter 

message: According to MOS:ELLIPSIS:
: To indicate an omission of material from quoted text, use an ellipsis (plural ellipses): a set of three unspaced dots:  (The pre-composed ellipsis character (), or three dots separated by spaces , are not recommended.)
Therefore, please change the pre-composed ellipsis character () to a set of three unspaced dots:  — Anomalocaris (talk) 06:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Redrose64:  —Anomalocaris (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Redrose64: Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 21 January 2018 

message: I made some modifications to the sandbox version of Template:Tlx/sandbox to allow blank parameters to be displayed. Before the change,  would display as , but the sandbox version will correctly display it as . Any objections to me copying it over to the live template? --Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 15:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allow blank parameters in Tlx 

message: I think SISTER= parameter is broken.BoldLuis (talk) 05:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way? Always give examples. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  SISTER 

message: Hi, this template supports the two named parameters  and  . To be consistent with other templates using lowercase parameter names, I'd like to see support for lowercase parameter variants  and   being added. This would be a trivial change, not bloating the template's code.
The corresponding code fragment
: 
would have to be replaced by
: 
If transclusion depth would be an issue (I doubt it) even
: 
would do a reasonably good job (but I recommend the first variant).
As a template editor I would carry out the edit myself, but the template is fully protected.
Thanks.
--Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we see how many instances of the all caps parameters there are? Perhaps we can just make the lower case and fix existing transclusions if the number is limited. We can check by adding a Z tracker to an "if" function. We would add the following code:  --Bsherr (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the proposed code for both changes to Template:Tlx/sandbox. I don't think one needs to wait for the other. Does that look ready to deploy? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed. Yes, sandbox looks good to me. --Bsherr (talk) 22:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Deployed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lowercase parameter names? 

message: Why is this template called "expanded" when the documentation says "provide stylized links to templates without expanding the template itself."? Christian75 (talk) 11:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See the fist line of . I know it's a little bit of a misnomer, but then again so is  even though it doesn't display the link in . Primefac (talk) 11:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New name