Talk:Interstate 96/Archive 1

message: I am wondering what is involved in doing something like this.  I do not know what all is supposed to go into it and if you can provide me a link or an example of what is needed I can probally put one of these up on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihsfbstadium (talk • contribs) 06:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route Description 

message: How does M-6 (Michigan_State_Highway_6) fit in? It's the new "South Beltline". Is it important enough to warrant a mention in the junctions on this page, and the Interstate 196 page? If no one raises an objection I am going to add it in soon, especially since there is some possibility it may itself pick up an Interstate designation... ++Lar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lar (talk • contribs) 22:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Michigan_State_Highway_6]] 

message: I'd like to know exactly how adding a link to my Interstate 96 page counts as "spam." My page is perfectly valid and well-researched, and provides some more information that Wikipedia's I-96 page doesn't list. Frankly, if my page isn't "good enough" for inclusion as an external link, neither should the other ones be. --Larrysphatpage 07:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion at Talk:Interstate 59. —C.Fred (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I am currently working on building a comprehensive exit list, and expanding the article in general. It is currently incomplete, but should be finished in the next day or two. Hotstreets 08:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good start! Does Michigan number exits sequentially or by mile marker? If it's by mile marker and there were no old exit numbers under the old system, then we only need a column for exit number. Let me (us) know when you've finished on the exit list; I'll wait to look through it (clean up, copyedit, etc.) until you're done, in case you're working out of an external editor for it. —C.Fred (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Michigan has used mile marker exit numbers for as long as I recall (very early 70s).  There was that goofy short-lived experiment with dual numbering with metric, but I think we can safely ignore that as I'm not even sure that applied to I-96. -- KelleyCook 02:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion of Article 

message: I would like to expand this section to add a paragraph describing what a local/express configuration is, for those that may not be familiar. I will work on this in the next day, but I didn't want it to hold up putting in the rest of the exit list. Hotstreets 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about just a Wikilink to Local-express lanes? -- KelleyCook 01:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe I'm an idiot. Thanks, I didn't have any time last night to look for a page on this after I finished. That is definitely a good link, I will do as you suggested. Thanks again. Hotstreets 01:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, you just ran afoul of another Wikirule.  Don't wikilink a header: MoS:HEAD#Linking. :) -- KelleyCook 03:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detroit Local/Express Configuration Expansion 

message: I was looking for sources to supplement and/or replace the newsgroup postings that I currently have cited, and I have a Detroit Standard Oil Street map circa 1960. Do you know how I would properly cite this? This is my guess...
"Detroit Street Map" (circa 1960).  Rand McNally and Company. Distributed by Standard Oil Division, American Oil Company.
I also have some Michigan maps from the era that I would like to cite, so I would like to get this right the first time. Thanks, Hotstreets 23:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation of Standard Oil Map 

message: I really liked the recent addition of the table-ized "Junctions with other freeways" section, and I decided to run with the idea. First of all, the current "Exit List" section with the large tables is 32 KB long, and more than long enough to warrant its own separate article. As a result, I would like to propose that the existing tabular content of the "Exit List" section be moved to a separate article, tentatively titled Exit list of Interstate 96. In its place, I propose that the new "Exit List" section in the main article consist of a summary of the mile-based numbering/exit system in place for I-96, and an expanded version of the "Junctions with other freeways" section as a subtopic, creating a nice "summary-style" section. My proposed content for the Interstate 96 main article (including an updated "Junctions with other freeways" table) is located at User:Hotstreets/Sandbox. If nobody objects in a day or two, I would like to make these changes. Thanks, Hotstreets 07:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I have made the split. How do you best suggest that this be polished? I'm not sure that the link to the complete exit list is prominent enough. Hotstreets 05:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exit List Split Proposal 

message: I have replaced the existing Major Cities bulleted list with the same information in tabular format. While this may seem counterintuitive the way I've done it, I just wanted to explain: as the upcoming "Route Description" section grows in size, I will move this up there as a floating table and eliminate the "Major Cities" topic, as it becomes redundant in the presence of an exit list and accurate route description. Currently putting this table inside the empty Route Description section looks quite horrible. Hotstreets 07:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Cities table 

message: I think the name of the article should simply be Exit list of Interstate 96 (or even could be merged into the article), as "in Michigan" is redundant as I-96 only exists in Michigan (and will likely never be extended as one end is Canada and the other is Lake Michigan). CrazyC83 22:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The name was born out of the discussion at Talk:Interstate 96#Exit List Split Proposal. -- Paddu 06:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant name 

message: I have read that the current Interstate 94 in Michigan east of Benton Harbor, MI was originally intended to be Interstate 92, also the current route of Interstate 96 between it's eastern terminus and the current route of Interstate 196 was originally supposed to be I-94 including the current I-196 itself.  So, please describe that in this article. --Koopa turtle 01:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure that showed up on the original hand drawn Interstate map the User:SPUI posted, except it is pretty much irrelevant as neither I-196 nor I-96 was ever actually numbered as I-94.  For what it is worth, that random factoid is mentioned in the Interstate 94 in Michigan article. -- KelleyCook 02:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interstate 94 

message: This is apparently the current U.S. roads article improvement drive. I'm also adding the banner to the exit list article as an obvious extension. Hopefully we'll be able to do better with this than we did with I-79. --NE2 11:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement drive 

message: I tagged this as part of the U.S. roads article improvement drive, as a part of the "real" article, I-96. --NE2 11:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement drive 

message: Relevant maps: :Image:Grand Rapids, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, :Image:Lansing, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, :Image:Detroit, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg :Image:Interstate Highway plan August 14, 1957.jpg April 25, 1958 :Image:Interstate Highway plan June 27, 1958.jpg
*1957 and June 1958: 94 via Chicago, Benton Harbor, Grand Rapids to Detroit; 94N from Muskegon to Detroit
*April 1958: Michigan SHD requested to make 96 Muskegon to Detroit and 67 Benton Harbor to Grand Rapids; 196 would have been the west and south bypass of Grand Rapids (with 67 ending at 196, and 96 roughly following the present 296 and 196); 296 would have been the loop through Lansing; 98 would have been the north bypass of Detroit
*Actually approved (by 1959, though I can't find any actual confirmation of the 3DIs other than 196 that early): 96 Benton Harbor to Detroit, 196 Muskegon to Grand Rapids, 296 in Grand Rapids (when was the network there changed to its current layout? by 1960; 296 was numbered by 1961), 496 in Lansing, 696 north of Detroit
*1963: 96 and 196 swapped
--NE2 13:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A continuous freeway between downtown Detroit and Muskegon was almost completed on January 8, 1964; the 1.5 miles between 7 Mile and 9 Mile remained to be completed. The article says that it opened from Santa Barbara (where? apparently just north of 9 Mile) to Orchard Lake Road, and that 696 eastbound had been open from Orchard Lake Road to Lahser Road for several months. The 1964 Rand McNally more or less agrees with that, but shows the Lodge ending at 8 Mile. According to  it opened from 7 Mile to Greenfield Road on June 23 and Greenfield Road to 9 Mile on October 29, 1964 (see also , which confirms Greenfield Road to 9 Mile).  shows late 1962 south of 8 Mile. --NE2 17:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History notes 

message: is under an acceptable license, but it's just a random road shot. Hopefully someone can get a better one. --NE2 06:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: If the Ambassador Bridge and its approaches should be upgraded to Interstate standards, then does the American side of the bridge become an extension of Interstate 96, much as the Blue Water bridge has become part of Interstates 69 and 94 west of the Canada - US border? The bridge seems to be on an alignment. Pbrower2a (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambassador Bridge 

message: I am highly concerned about this edit: . It adds a nonstandard section to the article, against WP:USRD/STDS and against the convention of the Michigan road articles, most of which are GA. This also smells of Wikipedia:Recentism, which is inappropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia. According to the user's suggestion  I have brought the discussion here. --Rschen7754 21:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Recentism is an essay not a guideline or policy. Tell the 7 victims of the sniper that the investigation is not important enough for its own section (IMO it needs its own article). TomCat4680 (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NPOV and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. And those are policy. --Rschen7754 21:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Memorial is an obituary. None of the people are dead. I don't see how it's NPOV, it's not an opinion, it's raw facts. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Rschen7754's objection, failing WP:SHROUD (what?), it does make me wonder whether dyed in the wool WP:USRDers just cannot cope with information outside their rigid framework. So, question: If we assume that it is worth mentioning the sniper in the article, in which section should it be mentioned if not in its own section? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: History is fine. Tagishsimon, please keep your ad hominem attacks to yourself. The "rigid framework" has produced almost 800 GAs and 46 FAs, by the way. --Rschen7754 21:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We found out the worth of those GAs at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Delaware Route 17/1, iirc. Questioning whether USRDers can cope with information outside their categories is not an ad hominem attack anymore than mentioning the sniper is POV or MEMORIAL. Waving these concepts around like shrouds does not persuade. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's what you believe, you're welcome to start another GAR. --Rschen7754 21:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Heaven forfend any thought of driving standards up. That would imperil your all-important FA & GA count. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tagishsimon, are you going to offer suggestions to remedy this "situation" or are you just going to throw insults at the WikiProject?  I, for one, think this should be covered on ENWP.  Here?  Maybe a couple sentences once the shooter(s) is/are caught and tried, but not a full section like this.  If people start dying, it should get its own article. –Fredddie™ 21:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Backing off my tone for a moment, I do see that Tagishsimon did ask a question, so I apologize for that.  I simply missed it in the sea of text.  I think I unintentionally replied to it. –Fredddie™ 21:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

text: It's not really historical (yet) because it's an ongoing investigation. Plus it's about a person committing crimes, not I-96 itself. It needs its own section.TomCat4680 (talk) 21:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. It's not about I-96. So...why does it belong in the article? --TCN7JM 21:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Because all the shootings have taken place along I-96, so it needs to be mentioned. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:22, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does every shooting that has ever taken place in Detroit get mentioned in its article? --TCN7JM 21:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The shooter is called the "I-96 Sniper" by the media because that is where the shootings happened, but the highway is not responsible for the shootings. Even though the acts committed by the Boston Strangler occurred in that city, they are not included in the Boston article because the are not of the city.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 22:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point. Thanks. --TCN7JM 22:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I do find myself in agreement with Tomcat on one point: This story should and could have it's own article.  So why don't you take the info you have and write it, rather than putting it here where it doesn't belong?  If you want to talk recentism as a reason not, I only got one thing to say: Trayvon Martin! Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I still think it should have its own section, but if I'm happy as long as it's there. TomCat4680 (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Let me clarify my previous statement, assuming the sniper content is expanded to at least 2 paragraphs, what is wrong with a level 3 heading? A single paragraph, IMO, should NEVER be an unique heading, and most style guides would agree with me. Dave (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there isn't that much content (and once there's about three paragraphs or more, I'd strongly suggest creation of a stub article on the news event/crime itself), a L3 heading isn't appropriate yet. We've had major multi-vehicle accidents summarized and merged into single-paragraph additions to history sections before. See Interstate 43 for an example of that. It's all about applying due weight, and keeping details not related to the highway out of this article. (We don't need additional, tangential content going off in wild directions, specifically when an article is sitting at ACR and headed to FAC at some point in the future.) Imzadi 1979 →  03:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: Just wondering.  Eric Cable  !  Talk  14:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: it's still a part of the Dwight D. Eisenhower System of Interstate and Defense Highways, aka the Interstate Highway System, so by definition, it's an Interstate (capital I) even if it doesn't run interstate (lower-case i). Of the 13 Interstates in Michigan, only 3 (I-69, I-75, I-94) cross a state line, while the other 10 (I-96, I-194, I-196, I-275, I-296, I-375, I-475, I-496, I-675, I-696) do not. Imzadi 1979 → 15:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Yes, and why do you park on a driveway and drive on a parkway, and why are they called apartments if they are all stuck together, and why do you send cargo by boat, but a shipment by automobile.  You're very clever.  --Jayron32 15:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can it be an Interstate if it's only in one state? 

message: Recently completed construction on the I-96/U.S.-23 interchange has altered the exit numbers and destinations. Specifically, the exit off westbound I-96 for Spencer Road is now combined with the exit for northbound U.S.-23. I don't know the resulting exit numbers or mile marks, but this could be updated by someone who does. BWSMI (talk) 20:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already reflects these updates, . Imzadi 1979 →  20:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exit System Near Brighton 

message: It was certainly spectacular...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=pleasant+valley+road+bridge+accident&qs=AS&pq=pleasant+valley+road+bri&sc=8-24&cvid=29BB31DE76764C3B85B4B186E4FE86F7&FORM=QBLH&sp=1  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.236.48.34 (talk) 20:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really relevant to the article. The scale doesn't put it on the same level as the one, nor does it fit the notoriety of the other incident. Imzadi 1979 →  20:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pleasant Valley overpass truck collision - Relevant to Notable Incidents?