Talk:Taoism/Archive 3

message: Tan is still insisting on going against consensus by changing "emptiness" to nothingness"; he's also changing good English to poor, and clear terms to anachronistic unclear ones (all actions, incidentally, that were typical of Mr Tan...). --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the debate is rotten from the beginning, i suppose. ETTAN is talking about the word "wu", that is a "grammatical particle" (i.e. with no meaning, Chinese say "empty words") and the "emptiness" in Taoism and Tao Te Ching articles refers to a Taoist idea, the very one of the power of the pot, the wheel hub, the door, all those things being useful because they have empty parts. The valley/vagina is the same : concavity. One scholar i like said this applies very well to Chinese paitings that are full of emptiness (whites) and have energy that flows through the whites to give life to the "blacks". Here "nothingness" is very far, as it is from Tao Te Ching. Nothingness is more related to Buddhism, I'd fancy, but I don't know a bit on this different topic. gbog 09:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ofte, if not usually, translated as "emptiness" in Buddhism too. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  new edits 

message: The style of expressions and reasonings in taoist classics has not much like those of western metaphysics. Furthermore, the very basic presumption of metaphiscs is that full description of ontology is possible in words. Whereas, taoism has rejected this possibility.
--ETTan 17:09, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taoism is not metaphysics 

message: Can anyone please explain to me what the Taoist philosophy has in common with the Taoist religion?  If not, then why are people confusing the two and placing them on the same page?
Stan, Oct 12, 2005
:There has been extensive discussion of this matter (see "Sorting out the mess" above and the archives (link also above).  The simplist explanation I can muster is this: This is an encyclopedia.  Most people who come to this article will just enter "Taoism", whether they are interested in the philosophy or the religion.  They can then find out more about the debate by reading  Taoism: A philosophy or a religion? and more about Taoist religious practice by reading the article on Taoist doctrine.  Sunray 06:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taoist philosophy or religion? 

message: Does "Chinese sexual handbooks" really belong in the article... [unsigned entry by Gbog]
:No.  It should be more specific to Taoism. Sunray 00:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. That is more a phenomenon of Western New Agey types, IME. --Fire Star 01:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whats neccessary 

message: Brisvegas and I have been creating portals for various significant religions, with your religion being one of the portals. The portals still need work, but most of the groundwork has been done. We need to find people who would like to take responsibility for their faith's portal. Brisvega looks after the Christianity portal, and I look after the Islam portal. You can find your religion's portal by looking at the Religion & Spirituality section on the portal template at Template:Portals. I've been notified that your faith's portal can possibly be deleted if no one looks after the portal. --JuanMuslim  1m 17:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New portal on religion 

message: Meditation is currently a nominee on WP:IDRIVE. If you would like to see this article improved vote for it on WP:IDRIVE.--Fenice 15:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive