Talk:Dry needling

message: I see some tendentious edits being made to this article but no talk here.  This won't do so I'm going to be bold and start talking.  I am familiar with this matter as a term in UK physiotherapeutic practise and have some understanding of the medical theory behind it.  Now we shall examine the sources and start editing the article accordingly. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: I put in a lot of work last year trying to source this page and edit it to make it neutral. I don't much appreciate the recent POV-warring over whether dry needling is the same as acupuncture or not. Please stop asserting personal opinions and start using secondary reliable sources as the basis for your edits. Stop changing sourced text to read differently, that gives the false impression that the new wording derives from the source rather than being the personal opinion of the editor. Fences&Windows 19:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s. I have no dog in this fight by the way. Also, the Oregon ruling is interesting, but a single primary source should not dominate a section (WP:UNDUE). If reliable secondary sources have discussed the ruling, please use them. Don't add your own interpretations or opinions on the ruling. Fences&Windows 19:10, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Aha, here's some local press from January on the OBCE considering whether to allow dry needling. Might be able to work it in. Fences&Windows 19:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: Several of the references - since removed - were to pages of the Federal Register dealing with regulation of medical devices, having nothing to do with the text supposedly being supported by those references. Text left intact, but now needs valid references. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: This paragraph was removed from the Efficacy section because the ref - a 2014 review - did not match the text content, which identified a 2017 systematic revuew. Consider returning to article in some form if correct ref can be located. David notMD (talk) 13:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: The opening statement under ‘origin’ is confusing since other documented sources contradicts published wiki information. I’ve attempted to update however I have been asked to open a discussion first since it is a major change to what’s currently written. Changing this section would very likely require more editing throughout this section.
This is what I wrote:
“Dry needling” (干针, gan zhen in Chinese pin yin) has been used interchangeably with the term acupuncture (针 zhen in Chinese pin yin) since at least as early as the 19th Century when Western medicine and the hypodermic needle were introduced in China, and the term was created to differentiate acupuncture methods from the use of hypodermic needles in Chinese hospitals. Subsequently the use of the term “dry needling” amongst acupuncturists, particularly in China, has a broader scope of indications and is not limited to treating only musculoskeletal disorders such as myofascial pain.
I also added a quote from Travell’s book to the second paragraph of the section attributing the recent revival of “dry needling” to Travell. In the quote Travell states acupuncture as performed by acupuncturists is in fact dry needling of trigger points (TrPs). With the added quote from Travell, this paragraph would read as:
More recently, “dry needling” is attributed to Janet G. Travell. In her book, Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: Trigger Point Manual, Travell uses the term "dry needling" to differentiate between two hypodermic needle techniques when performing trigger point therapy. However, Travell did not elaborate on the details on the techniques of dry needling; the current techniques of dry needling were based on the traditional and western medical acupuncture. Travell states, “Many practitioners of acupuncture use TrP [trigger point] criteria to locate pain acupuncture points and, in fact, are successfully performing dry needling of TrPs [trigger points] that they speak of as acupuncture therapy.”
Let’s discuss! Thanks R.L. Mendez (talk) 16:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of “dry needling”