Talk:George Miller (California politician)

message: Not clear to me why "Justforasecond" has decided to keep adding unverifiable claims and violating NPOV.   I edited and added citations to clarify the previous section on "urban gambling"; those have now been removed and replaced by the clearly biased phrases like  "an underhanded supporter of urban gambling" and "Miller turned his back on the Lytton's" [sic]. Can you explain why this and the Lytton Band website are full of these NPOV problems that aren't based on any references at all?
:Just yesterday we saw reports of wiki-whitewashing of congresspeople's article coming out of the House of Representatives.  Interesting that User:Caitlin0052 shows up THE VERY NEXT DAY, well-versed in wiki editing but never having edited before, and edits an article that is barely touched, immediately making POV edits and covering up Miller's sordid support for Casino San Pablo.  Perhaps Caitlin0052 is not the newly minted, unbiased user she pretends to be.
:Ask someone in Miller's district whether they know about his greenhearted environmentalism...you'll get blank stares.  Ask about how Miller helped get a pardon for one of the OVER 200 court-martialed sailors involved in Port Chicago...you'll get a lot of "come again?"....but mention Miller and Casino San Pablo and more often than not, you'll hear about how Miller snuck an amendment into an APPROPRIATION (spending) bill that gave the Lyttons the right to turn a cardroom into their "reservation" and a CASINO.  If you're wondering how that is that related to spending, you wouldn't be the only one.  I wrote Miller an email about this very issue and got no response.  In fact, Miller didn't change his tune until several major California politicians -- members of Miller's party, no less -- expressed their disgust for his actions.
:Yet, User:Caitlin0052 demotes this most notorious of Miller's actions from a major section to just a blurb under the petty section called "Local Issues".   Justforasecond 03:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please Caitlin, stick to facts.   I have not inserted any information that came from "asking someone in Miller's district", neither did I insert the word "sordid".  Now that we're done with these false allegations; on to POV, you might explain why you thought it worthwhile to de-emphasize Miller's support for urban gambling, placing it in the last section on the page, with a boring looking header labeled "Local topics".  Miller's environmentalism?  His district includes some of the largest polluters in the state, including a Chevron refinery that regulary has toxic releases.  Seems POV to place this environmentalism in its own section, elevating it above the gaming issues.  Justforasecond 17:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Jfas--I hope you had a pleasant vacation. I deleted several sentences from the 'Urban gambling' section because I believe they go into detail that is already covered in the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians article in some depth. Also, 'widely derided and decried' is not encyclopedic, and linking to a news article that uses the word 'underhanded' but does not source it to any person isn't sufficient ground to place it here.
You should also be careful about throwing around accusations of 'censorship'--the rationale that User:MichalZ526 gave for editing the article was a valid one. drseudo (t) 03:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha.   Thanks.   I actually got back a while ago but steered clear of the Lyttons and Miller.   "Underhanded" is legit.  It wasn't too difficult to google up a reference for Miller described as underhanded (though Harris Miller comes up first).  Justforasecond 13:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: Is there a specific reason for this statement? "Millers [sic] district contains some of the worst polluters in the state, including a large Chevron refinery which has occasional releases of toxic gases."
This should be deleted unless it can be shown that Miller has somehow been responsible for the releases. In addition, there are several refineries in his district; is the Chevron refinery really the worst of them, and are there not other polluters elsewhere in California?
:Justforasecond is responsible for that line, as you might have guessed. It's kind of a non sequitur--I am removing it. drseudo (t) 03:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have added a section showing the criticism George Miller received for endorsing Vallejo Mayor Osby Davis despite the fact that Davis stated "The sins that keep you out of heaven are not the just those sins of being gay, those are sins of lying, murdering, unforgiving, all kinds of sins... That is the same for someone who is a drug addict or child molester or someone who is a murderer." I was told that it was a "gross misrepresentation" of what Osby Davis has said and it was removed. People can judge for themselves whether or not that was a "gross misrepresentation" by reading the entire context of the interview between Osby Davis and the New York Times. http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/the-context-of-the-comments-made-by-vallejos-mayor/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hallett87 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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