Talk:Tariq Ramadan

message: Parts of the article read like OPed, especially the conclusion is clearly not NPOV.  OneGuy 07:29, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: For a discussion regarding why his visa was revoked at the last minute read:
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/content/view/96/62/ 
Pedro.Gonnet 16:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revocation of Tariq Ramadan's visa: 

message: Oh yes its those goddam "zionists" again smearing a true muslim reformer who only calls for gays to be stoned to death in muslim countrys rather that in the streets of Paris.
How is this allowed to stand?
jucifer 12:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you taking about?! --Irishpunktom\talk 16:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a stunning sidgrace 

message: Rather than use this odd expression, why not identify the individuals to whom you refer?  If, in fact, they are Zionists, and if their beliefs in this area are central to understanding who they are and why they oppose Mr. Ramadan, then bring out those points in your article.  Otherwise, your odd phrase merely draws attention to your biases. Adam Holland 20:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of phrase "Zionist proponents" 

message: references ? anyone ? the references link nowhere ? is it vandalism ? Nobel prize 4 peace 22:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: Someone put up an advertisement at the top of the discussion page. I don't think this is anywhere near acceptable. Killua 21:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crap advertisement 

message: Most of the section about the U.S. decision to revoke his visa is arguments about whether the decision was correct or incorrect. These arguments focus on the POV that the decision was incorrect. 
Can we provide more facts (so it can be called the "Visa affair")? And how about some balance, i.e. the POV that the revocation was justifiable? --Uncle Ed 16:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Visa controversy

message: Tariq Ramadan Has an Identity Issue.  Really great article.  It can be useful in improving the article.  --70.51.230.186 17:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tariq Ramadan profile in the NYT by [[Ian Buruma]] 

message: I corrected the grammar on the preceding sentence, but this sentence should be taken out at least until it is written in a way that can be understood: "The polemic and manipulative nature of Ramadan's doctrine was nicely illustrated by the fact that one of those accused bim him over overley defending his 'Jewish brothes' was not a Jew himself, as Ramadan had claimed." And it didn't really go with the preceding sentence, as best I can tell. Olav Smith 18:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction Needed 

message: - There are ongoing allegations that Ramadan writes out of his family legacy -- i.e. rehashes the work of grandfather.
- He has NEVER condemned his grandfather for his terrorist activities, which included the murder of Boutros-Ghali's father.
There needs to be links and discussion of these uncomfortable facts in the piece.  The bottom line for Mr. Ramadan is to ask, very honestly, why does he say one thing in Arabic and another in Western languages.--Jackkalpakian 23:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some things that need to be addressed 

message: Regarding the Professorial Chair of Islamic Studies at the University of Leiden --tickle me 01:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  renounces dutch chair 

message: WP:SELFPUB says: Material from self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources in articles about themselves, so long as:
* it is relevant to their notability;
* it is not contentious;
* it is not unduly self-serving;
* it does not involve claims about third parties;
* it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
* there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it;
* the article is not based primarily on such sources.
Thus if there is any self-published content, that meets the above guideline it should be removed. This includes Ramadan making exceedingly good comments about himself. This also includes Daniel Pipes making contentious comments about Ramadan.Bless sins (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As it has been a month, and no one responded, I went ahead and removed the inappropriate sourcing.Bless sins (talk) 06:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Good point. I'll tag it for now and remove it from the lead.Bless sins (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:SELFPUB

message: "A French television debate in 2003 with Nicolas Sarkozy (well known for his description of rioters in poor immigrant neighborhoods as “scum”)" This seems trying to bias the reader in a pretty clear direction. Many people have controversial quotes when we describe them in a debate do we have to mention this? The debate seems to be about women's rights anyway.--T. Anthony (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarkozy 

message: :by accusing Jewish and non Jewish philosophers whose name merely sounded Jewish, [Ramadan] opened himself to the charge of anti-Semitism
Who were the "non Jewish philosophers whose name merely sounded Jewish?" All of the listed philosophers are Jewish by ethnicity. EvanHarper (talk) 00:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the line in question. Nobody has explained who these philosophers were; having checked the original article I can find no "non Jewish philosophers" mentioned. Furthermore, the wording was uncomfortably close to the cited New York Times Magazine article; not enough copying to be outright plagiarism, but close. Furthermore, the text was clearly Ian Buruma / NYTmag's opinion or judgment -- "opened himself to the charge" implying he deserved it -- rather than NPOV language. Finally, the sentence was redundant. EvanHarper (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Name merely sounded Jewish? 

message: The following sentence needs an extremely strong health warning, if it is to be mentioned at all, because it seems to misrepresent its source material: "An online poll provided by The British Prospect and the American Foreign Policy magazines placed him eighth in a list of the world’s top 100 contemporary intellectuals in 2008." To be clear, the survey in question was an internet poll that was hijacked by the Turkish press, which campaigned for those associated with the Gülen movement. I presume the reason for linking to the Guardian, rather than Prospect's own website, is to avoid drawing attention to the accompanying article ("The efficiency and discipline of the Fethullahçi is legendary—so in retrospect, for them, a poll like ours was simple to hijack. The temptation for Gülen’s followers to elevate their man to the top of a poll organised by two influential western magazines will have been a strong one. In one respect, then, Gülen’s crushing win tells us little about what the world thinks about its intellectuals; it merely exhibits the organisational ability of one movement’s followers.") --188.221.105.68 (talk) 23:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A top intellectual 

message: This article seems rather long.  What could be done to make it more concise?  RJFJR (talk) 18:13, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing: length

message: Why is he listed under islamism? he doesn't seem to support forcing religion on people.
This article seems to be very partial. Please recheck the information and add the cross references. Tariq Ramadan isn't a saint.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.205.134.94 (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamism

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thread_title:  My recent edits 

message: Reactions by third parties to Ayari's allegations against Ramadan are nothing to do with Ramadan himself, unless they are demonstrably organized by or supported by him.  As such they do not belong on this page. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Jonathan A Jones, your position is very reasonable. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reactions by third parties towards a directly involved party are relevant to these allegations, as are for instance opinions by notable third parties. As the statements deleted by JAJ never claimed the threats were organised by TR, this is an invalid reason to delete. The threats against Charlie Hebdo are in the section - how are they different? AadaamS (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As you say reports of the threats against Charlie Hebdo don't belong there either so I have removed them. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 08:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is clear that the threats 1) are relevant to the section about the allegations and 2) the removed statements (or sources) never claimed that TR had organised the threats. Since the sources say the threats are connected to the allegations, enwp should accurately represent the sources. If TR was satirised by CH it could be mentioned somewhere in this article. The threats against CH then belong in he [[Charlie Hebdo] article, add them there instead of deleting them outright. AadaamS (talk) 20:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

text: If you want to put this material at Charlie Hebdo then do so.  It possibly belongs there, but it certainly doesn't belong here. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactions to Ayari's allegations 

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message: , I think it is important to state that he continues to deny the allegations even after he was charged. Please stop removing content you don't like on the pretense of brevity. 18:46, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:AGF please stop making statements about the supposed basis of my edits which have absolutely no basis in fact.  Indeed I request that you immediately strike out the allegations above.  Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denial 

message: He has been convicted by a French court and fined already.
This should be in
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1759306 Rustygecko (talk) 19:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just a fine for a minor offense. The bulk of the allegations are quite extensively covered in the article.--Gorpik (talk) 07:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about rape related convictions?