Talk:Battle of Nahrawan

message: This article is not written objectively. It contains too many subjective opinions by using words such as: their hatred, cowardly, etc
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.184.4 (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Views

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: In the next few weeks, I'll hopefully improve the readability of the article and further emphasize the atrocities committed by the Kharijites. Albertatiran (talk) 19:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the article, which is a GA. The readability is fine, though there were several instances of missing articles ("the" and "a") and minor prose issues. I fixed them (as far as I could tell). If you plan on making any significant additions, like details of alleged atrocities, you may want to discuss them here first and ensure only modern, reliable, secondary sources are used as references. Al Ameer (talk) 22:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

text: "Atrocities committed by the Kharijites"? This shows you are not impartial enough to edit Kharijite related articles. It also shows that your knowledge on Kharijites comes from polemical works. Please see Hagemann, Gaiser and Kenney's works before editing anything related to the Kharijites.AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 13:29, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I understand your concern. I plan on using reliable secondary sources for my edits. Albertatiran (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text: You added Hazleton (a journalist) and Rogerson (a popular author) to an article on Islamic history. How are these "reliable secondary sources" on a subject like this? Then you made sure to emphasize that Ali and his partisans were eager to avoid fighting. Simple stating of facts is fine. But why do you have to emphasize? --AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 17:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I believe AhmadLX explained it very well. Also, starting the discussion with "atrocities committed by the Kharijites" is not a promising first sight. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   First sights may be misleading and I wouldn't rely on them for judgment. Notwithstanding my language on the talk page, I believe that I was faithful to the source in my edits, e.g., Madelung does actually detail multiple attempts which were blocked by the Kharijites leaders, hence my choice of words. About the sources, neither MOS:Islam nor WP:RS require the sources to be "authoritative", e.g., Madelung. So why the double standard here? It could be that my objection about the sources reflects my lack of experience with Wikipedia but I'd still appreciate your thoughts about it. Albertatiran (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readability and justification 

message: If I have not used reliable secondary sources or haven't been faithful to the sources, you can point that out here. I highly doubt that to be the case. So, instead of removing sourced material and angry rants, consider adding your views to the article. Albertatiran (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You added Hazleton (a journalist) and Rogerson (a popular author) to an article on Islamic history. How are these "reliable secondary sources" on a subject like this? Then you made sure to emphasize that Ali and his partisans were eager to avoid fighting. Simple stating of facts is fine. But why do you have to emphasize? --AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 17:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I believe AhmadLX explained it very well. Also, starting the discussion with "atrocities committed by the Kharijites" is not a promising first sight. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   First sights may be misleading and I wouldn't rely on them for judgment. Notwithstanding my language on the talk page, I believe that I was faithful to the source in my edits, e.g., Madelung does actually detail multiple attempts which were blocked by the Kharijites leaders, hence my choice of words. About the sources, neither MOS:Islam nor WP:RS require the sources to be "authoritative", e.g., Madelung. So why the double standard here? It could be that my objection about the sources reflects my lack of experience with Wikipedia but I'd still appreciate your thoughts about it. Albertatiran (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained removals

message: You gentlemen might be interested in this new image I just uploaded. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a cool image, thanks for adding. I would want to trim the caption though.AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 14:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure thing. Feel free to trim down as you see fit. - LouisAragon (talk) 11:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: New image