Talk:Military ranks of the Soviet Union

message: Encyclopedist, you forgut to add Chief Marshal of aviation to the table. Also there was no such rank o General of aviation, only Marshal of aviation, which was equal to General of the Army. And again there were no such ranks as Podpraporschik and Bootsman, Lyotchik translates from russian as pilot which can't be a rank of private. --DimaY2K 21:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are better at this than I am! Most of this was from Russian military ranks page, though. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 21:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to that website, they got rid of Chief Marshal of the Air Force, and plus this rank is supposed to show ranks from 1988-1991.  I think that rank went out in 1984. Please help! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 21:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It is shown optionally as Marshal or General of aviation, I am confused.  Any changes that you could make are wholeheartedly welcomed.  I must seem like an idiot : ( εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 21:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't believe you.  I personally know it was 1943, not 1945 - I think you need to do some external research before you keep editing to Wikipedia. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 21:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I just don't care anymore - all I know is, that Stalin was the Field MArshal of the Soviet Union in 1943 - he created the Generalissimo rank for himself in 1945, I overlooked this earlier, so I guess Tt1 would be right about this.  But this other stuff seems to be far fetched. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 02:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems like Roitr has too many bots... why does he have to spend his time writing nonsense and trashing English Wikipedia when he's apparently Russian-speaking is just beyond me. --DmitryKo 20:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Tt1, you are correct about the "авиа́ции" word but wrong about lyotchik. In russia civil pilots a called "пило́т" (pilót), and military pilots are called "лё́тчик" (lyótchik), it is a military profession not a rank same as pilot not a rank in any military. Word "солда́т" (soldát) means soldier and used same way as in english. Word "моря́к" (moryák) in russian comes from word "море́" (moryé) meaning sea so in general speech it coul be translated as a seaman (even some online translaters do that) or as a sailor, but in military ranks important is the equevalency not the translation, and the equivalent to U.S. rank of seeman would be russian rank of matros, while moryak is general term which could applied to anybody who seves in navy or in a civil fleet. --DimaY2K 13:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I would tend to agree as it's now 14 Nov. :) Bdevoe 18:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military ranks 

message: Currently, all Russian rank titles in the table are bolded, which seems unnecessary to me. Would anyone object if I removed the bolding?
Also, only a few of the Russian ranks (Generalissimo, Marshal of the SU, Admiral of the Fleet of the SU, Marshal, Chief Marshal) are capitalized at the moment; the rest are fully lowercased. Is there a reason for this disparity? If not, which style is more correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alkari (talk • contribs) 08:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian titles

message: There has been much reverting and re-reverting of this page lately, with a major point of controversy being the "Soviet Air Force and other Soviet military branches" column. I agree with DmitryKo and 85.140.239.77 that that column is unnecessary and repetitive, and I fully support their reverting of that part of the article.
I am concerned, however, that useful information in the introductory section and in the section just below the table is also being lost with the reverting, and that the rank of Generalissimo of the Soviet Union seems to have disappeared from the table as well.
I have just edited the page to reincorporate the text that was lost, while keeping the table in its present form (i.e. without the "Soviet Air Force..." column. I have also taken the opportunity to make a few stylistic changes (the main one being the removal of bolding from the Russian rank titles, which has bothered me for quite some time). I hope that the new version will be acceptable to all. If not, I'd be more than happy to discuss the matter further.
Alkari (?) 00:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid there is very little  reason to include Generalissimo here, since it was not included in the rank system but rather was a personal honorary rank of Stalin. As for other information, actually it's mostly my own text copied from History of Russian military ranks, which I wrote upon expanding that article  - compare with  (it was copyedited a bit since then). This is the usual modus operandi of our good old friend WP:LTA/Roitr - he is vastly illiterate in English, so he has to steal well-formed text from other related articles to conceal his identity and make his edits appear more legitimate than they really are. --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 14:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with relegating Generalissimo to a note below the table, as opposed to including it in the table itself. I do think it deserves some mention on the page, since it was a military rank of the Soviet Union (albeit an honorary one, and only held by Stalin). Regarding the other information, I'd like to know whether you object to its being used in this article. I feel that it provides useful background for the table, and I'm not entirely happy about it being removed along with the "Soviet Air Force..." column. If there's a compelling reason not to use that text on this page, perhaps we can write equivalent text to replace it. (The copyediting you refer to, by the way, was mostly done by me .) Alkari (?) 02:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting 

message: I think the insignia of generalissimo of the Soviet Union on this article are fake. They never existed. Stalin was made genaralissimo on 06-27-1945: . 
As you can see clearly after his making genaralissimo on these posters  (after declaration of PRC 1949-50)   that photo  (Potsdam Conference 07/17/45-08/02/45) and this picture:  (2nd order of victory 06/26/1945: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Victory) Stalin never wore these insignia. You can see at the insignia of Stalin in his coffin  the big star of the marshal and not the smaller one of generalissimo. 
So, the rank of generalissimo was a honorable rank wihtout insignia.
In http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E1%BA%A5p_b%E1%BA%ADc_qu%C3%A2n_%C4%91%E1%BB%99i_c%E1%BB%A7a_Li%C3%AAn_bang_X%C3%B4_vi%E1%BA%BFt the insignia of generalissimo are considered as insignia of the marshal of aviation of the Soviet Union.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.236.230 (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are not insignia of generalissimo of the Soviet Union. 

message: "Rank comparisons"  section moved out of the Marshal of the Soviet Union page, where it was obviously misplaced. Also, it was unreferenced there. It seems that it somewhat overlaps with the other content. Please incorporate it properly and supply with references. Lom Konkreta (talk) 20:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank comparisons"  section