Talk:Albania (placename)

message: I would not say, in the intro, that it is "even" the name of a city in New York State. This seems oddly belittling of the capital city of the Empire State.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.37.152 (talk) 01:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Illyrian word "Arba" for wooded is connected with the latin "Arbo" wood and possible also connected with the job as a woood chucker. The tribe Albani was also known as Arbanoi, arba and alba have a common origin. Alpine means "forest in the moutain zone" which makes that the word Arba and Alba is connected together. Arba and Alba seam to be a widespread term for the Illyrians, their is also a place in prehistoric time, in Istria, a illyrian twon named Alba. The name for the country Albania cannot be derived from the word meaning white, it comes from the word Alba meaning mountain and Albanians means mountain people, it make sense since Albanians lived mostly in the moutain and in that way preserved their language, also Albania is the most mountain country in the Balkans. --Albanau 16:09, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: I've tweaked the text to make it more transparent to the ordinary Wikipedia reader (me), who, when arriving unprepared at this entry, still needs to know:
*why there is no mention of Albania of the Caucasus since this is about "the name Albania"
*"an ancient family epitaph" 3rd cent AD? 10th cent AD? 13th cent AD?
*"Moreover, Arbanon is just likely to be the name" Arbanon has not previously been mentioned. We miss the connection.
*"An indication of movement from higher altitudes in a much earlier period has been detected in the distribution of place-names ending in -esh.." What's the connection with "Albania" in this?
*"Albanian writers such as Budi, Blanco and Bogdano." Not household words. Their full names would be a start. A brief stub for each would very genuinely help too.
*"Michael Attaliates was first to refer to the Albanoi" how is he the first,  all this time after Ptolemy?
*"descendants of the Arbanitai" None of these designations are Italian, that's for sure.
In general it is a courtesy that one might extend to offer the briefest disambiguation of places and rivers and mountains in Albania: "northwards" "coastal" "on the X River" "nearby"—any little hook for the reader to cling to would help. Our knowledge of Albania's geography is somewhat blurry, remember, and you must be kind.--Wetman 04:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The problems stem from the fact that User:Albanau lifted 90% of the article from John Wilkes' The Illyrians, I believe. I've been picking at Albanau's text over the past few months, making sporadic changes (though I don't know why my User name appears so much in the history when Albanau wrote 90% of it, which was lifted from Wilkes and may even have been copyright violation, as I noted above). I'll try to fix some of the problems over time. Albanau used an anonymous IP when he started the article, but a check of that IP's contributions leaves no doubt that it was Albanau himself. Alexander 007 05:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: While one could argue whether Bambiniotis is with the majority or the minority view, no-one should label him as a greek propagandist. Stating what one scientist says is according to NPOV and has nothing to do with weasel terms. So, dear Albanau stop vandalising the article. Thanks. +MATIA  ☎ 14:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  majority and minority view 

message: I don't like this article as it now (13:25, 8 November 2005), and I'm sure no one else does either. The problem goes back to Albanau, who apparently just lifted portions from Wilkes, some other sources, etc., but he didn't distill them properly. I will eventually go get Wilkes and some other books and online sources and see what I can do. Alexander 007 13:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision 

message: I need references for the etymology of Arbanon. Many linguists may well agree that Arbanon has the same etymology as Albania and Albanoi. So the argument that "Arvanites derives from Arbanon, not Albania" is rendered moot. For other ethnonyms that may derive from Arbanon, see this interesting link from Encyclopedia Britannica: [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-26398 . Alexander 007 16:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's common knowledge that Albanians call their language "Shqip" and their country "Shqipëria". These substituted an older set of terms, namely "Arbërisht" or "Arbnisht" for the language and "Arbëria" or "Arbnia" for the country. Until the 11th century the country was called "Illyria", whereas since the 13th century, according to Latin dictionaries, it has been known as "Albania", a term easily related to "Arbnia", which in turn comes from an older term "Albanoi", first mentioned by Ptolemy in the second century as the name of the Illyrian tribe which lived in the north-central area of present day Albania. This is the kind of thing you learn in primary school, every Albanian knows them. Rex(talk) 16:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Arbanon is the medieval Greek name for the region and is found in medieval documents which were written in Greek. Imagine this: 2000 years in the future archaeologists find an English newspaper which names the country Finland (and has a map). Would the archaeologists then say that the Finns used to call their country Finland? Wrong, they called it "Suomi". Arbanon is merely what they were called in Greek, not what they called themselves. Therefore, it is of no etymological significance. Rex(talk) 17:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not concerned with that. My point is this: the Greek term Arbanon is modified from Illyrian. The Illyrian term Arbanon and Albania probably have the same etymology, because Wilkes and others treat them as both deriving from an Illyrian root, Alb-, Arb-. Simple as that. I wasn't making any other conclusions. Alexander 007 17:07, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbanon

message: This is what I want to look further into. It is one thing to say that Arbanitai does not derive from Albania or Albanoi, but in fact from Arbanon (itself a Greek adaptation from Illyrian). It is another thing to say that Arbanon has an etymon that is different from Albania---what is the argument for this latter point? References? Evidence?
I am not concerned much with the statement made by Britannica that Albania or Albanians may derive from Arbanon, though I find it humorous and a good way to counter G.B. and pull the rug from under him. Alexander 007 17:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: I propose to make this article disambiguation page from obvious reasons.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. "Albania (name)" is a single topic. The topic is the explanation of the different meanings of the name "Albania". They are several different meanings, but the question "what does the name 'Albania' refer to?" is still a single question, hence it can be treated on a single page. The disambiguation page regarding the articles that deal with the actual countries involved already exists, at Albania (disambiguation). We don't need yet another dab page besides that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for disambiguation page 

message: I have located a dangling ref and hidden it, replacing it with a citation needed tag. This has been done because we have a reference pointing to a source that is not recorded in the article. Please feel free to contact me if you need assistance fixing this. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:16, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dangling ref