Talk:Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction/Archive 1

message: Renamed the section on war to just war, since some of them do not feature nuclear war, but retained the link
(akira is non nuclear: world war three being fought by powerful psychcs and blamed on nuclear weapons, and mad max is due to social decline: should be moved)
also moved Tank Girl: in the movie it was a comet that boiled the earth seas off.
:Wrong on Akira and Mad Max. The Akira's awakening starts WW3, which the two superpowers in 1988 believe is a nuclear strike and respond with nuclear weapons (there's even an storyboarded scene for the film that shows WW3 in detail, with leaders being waken in the middle of the night, to nuclear weapons being launched from submarines and bombers, and chemical and conventional warfare). Outside of Akira and the other 3 number children, there isn't another psychic until Tetsuo and Kei. The oil crisis in Mad Max descends into WW3. In fact, the "great fire" is mentioned in Beyond Thunderdome by the oasis children is a nuclear explosion.
::Actually, in The Road Warrior(second film in the Mad Max trillogy) it specifically states that the major downfall was due to the roving gangs of thugs taking advantage of the situation, not due to either the nuclear or biological weaponry employed in the war.Gizzakk 18:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, I kinda accept the change. I would rather have World War III or other wars. The big problem is that there's a lot of material that uses "the final war" and some of it doesn't cover WW3 in the traditional sense.--YoungFreud 18:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the change is appropriate, but I too think something longer than just 'War' would be better - but I cannot think of a better solution that holds up under scrutiny i.e. WW3, Final Wars, Apocalyptic War...Robovski 01:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renamed section 

message: Removed this: 
* The Andrei Tarkovsky film Stalker (based on the short-story Roadside Picnic)
IIRC correctly, the basic premise is the aftermath of an alien visitation of some sort, that left behind a region filled with incredibly dangerous, utterly incopmprehensible phenomena, which treasure seekers explore hoping to get back alive with something valuable: not exactly a post-apocalypse --  Malcolm Farmer 11:43, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roadside Picnic 

message: I'm wondering: after looking at the Vampire Hunter D entry, I recall there's a lot of Japanese pop culture, especially anime and manga, that deals with apocalyptic fiction, almost too many to count. The ones I can name of the top of my head are Akira, Fist of the North Star, Evangelion, Grey, Appleseed, Ghost In The Shell, Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm, and that's already getting to be a long list. 
I've avoided putting them since there's more than this and plenty that make references to total devastation (For example, Macross' second half, where Misa and Hikaru tour a battle-scarred Earth that looks very similar to Hiroshima after the bomb). I only included Dragon Head and Last Days of Planet Earth as they're live action films. I'm wondering how to continue, just add more anime titles until it chokes the page, keep it to famous and direct (i.e. definite mentions of WW3, etc. in the story) examples, or leave them out. I'd rather not excise them completely, as apocalyptic literature and imagery is such a common occurance in Japanese manga, anime and cinema.
Also, I think DADES's example should be limited to WW3, and not Pandemic. The plague that kills the owls (amongst other creatures) mentioned in the book is part of WW3, perhaps as a biological weapons hazarded by both sides, in addition to the Synthetic Freedom Fighters and nuclear weapons. Also, the war is not mentioned in Blade Runner, just the source material, it seems. --YoungFreud 04:15, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apocalyptic manga 

message: I would like to discuss how this page can be improved on. One of the items I'm suggesting is an inclusion of general elements of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic science fiction. Basically, it's themes, the politics behind such themes, allegories, cliches, etc.. The inclusion of this list would also act as a criteria for the various lists, as there has been some discussion on whether or not some of the titles mentioned should be listed in this article. I would also like to expand the list titles in some way. The biggest of these would be the World War 3 title heading. I'd like to expand this to "World War 3 and other wars". I would really like to include titles like Appleseed, but also include 1939 MGM animated short Peace To Earth in which all humanity is extinguished in a then-future World War 2.
I was kinda glad somebody beat me to the Biblical Apocalypse, which has now been renamed Religious Apocalypse and may further be renamed to Religious and Paranormal Apocalypse, if necessary.--YoungFreud 17:58, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Future directions for this page

message: Should 28 Days Later be listed? I was under the impression, off the movie's end, that the Rage epidemic was contained. In fact, the article has a detailed analysis of this. Any suggestion? --YoungFreud 04:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel this page is getting a bit too long. The obvious way to go is to move all of the Examples section to a new article such as List of Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic science fiction works. This would then mean this article could be more focussed on analysis, history of the genre (notably lacking) and criticism. Any comments?--NHSavage 22:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with NHSavage. --nihon 23:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  28 Days Later 

message: I guess that civilization is not destroyed enough in Amerika (TV miniseries) to warrant an inclusion. --Error 00:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Amerika

message: Albert Pyun, director of Cyborg, has also made some other post-apocalyptic movies such as Omega Doom that may be worth mentioning in the article. Omega Doom is the only one of his movies I have seen so far, and it probably would fall either under the Cybernetic Revolt or World War III categories. --HunterZ 09:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Pyun movies