Talk:Leader of the House of Lords

message: Was Bute even in the Lords during my premiership? I recalling that he wasn't, being a Scottish peer (though had been a representative peer in an earlier parliament). Timrollpickering 12:11, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: According to his entry in the Dictionary of National Biography it was his wife who had that title, but Bute was elected a representative peer in 1761 (and had previously been one from 1737 until 1741). This was, however, a month after he was appointed Secretary of State for the Northern Department. Timrollpickering 20:48, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bute

message: According to this, Crewe becomes Leader at the inception of the Asquith ministry.  But Ripon remained in the ministry for several more months in 1908.  I would've thought he'd stayed on until his retirement.  Anyone know? john k 20:17, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: British Political Facts states Crewe was leader from the outset. Ripon may have been in poor health and the change in PM used as the opportunity for a switch - particularly if the government was in regular conflict with the Lords. Timrollpickering 20:34, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ripon 

message: It's been a long time, and we still have embarrassing gaps in our list for the earlier period...for 1730-1742, Newcastle seems the most likely option, as being the more important of the two Secretaries of State.  For 1763-1765 we have two peer secretaries of state - Halifax and Sandwich - plus Bedford as Lord President.  Bedford seems the most likely here.  1770-1782 is a bit of a doozy - there's a ton of possibilities.  Gower (the Lord President), seems the most likely choice.  Of the various Lords Privy Seal, Halifax was senile, Suffolk inexperienced, Grafton not in cabinet, and Dartmouth's position in cabinet was, according to ODNB "largely nominal".  Of the Secretaries of State, Rochford and Stormont weren't really politicians, Suffolk was a relatively minor figure, Weymouth was lazy and Hillsborough mostly a cipher.  But I've seen no particular confirmation of this.  For 1801-1803 I'd have to guess that it was either Portland or Portland and then Pelham, but, again, no particular confirmation.
I was also wondering about some of the ones we do have listed.  I wonder particularly about Sydney from 1783-1789.  Do we have any clear sources on this? john k 02:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earlier period 

message: Did the Short-lived Ministry get as far as determining a Lords Leader? Both Bath and Granville did accept seals of office and either would be an obvious contender. Timrollpickering 22:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 10-12 1746 

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message: The introduction consistently refers to the Leader as a "he" (He does this, he does that). Since four out of the last five leaders have been women, should the article be written in a more gender neutral zone, or is the use of "he" an acceptable British English alternative?--Tim Thomason 00:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender of Article

message: The article colour-codes him as a Whig.  However, his own article William Grenville, 1st Baron Grenville describes him as 'Pittite Tory (until 1801) Whig (from c. 1801)'.  His DNB article
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/11501?docPos=2 refers to 'one of the more extraordinary changes of course in modern political history, for Grenville was eventually drawn into becoming the joint head with Fox of a coalition between the ‘new’ and the ‘old’ oppositions, and into a political separation from Pitt.'  I therefore propose to colour-code his service as Leader of the Lords as 'Tory'.
Alekksandr (talk) 22:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Grenville

message: According to their articles, Lord Parmoor and Viscount Haldane were co-leaders of the Lords from 1924. Could someone more expert please investigate? -Rrius (talk) 04:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: David Butler and Gareth Butler, Twentieth Century British Political Facts, Macmillan, 2000, page 69 gives Haldane as Leader from 22 January 1924. Opera hat (talk) 10:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parmoor and Haldane 

message: The article moves from the Duke of Portland (PM of the Fox-North Coalition) to Viscount Sydney in 1783.  However, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary both show Earl Temple as holding the respective posts from 19th to 23rd December 1783.  He is shown as Viscount Sydney's predecessor as Home Secretary for those 4 days.  Cook & Stevenson's 'British Historical Facts, 1760-1830' shows him as Leader of the Lords in December 1783.  I therefore propose to add him to the list, citing this reference.
Alekksandr (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Do you have an equivalent reference book that will answer the Parmoor/Haldane question above? -Rrius (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earl Temple, 1783 

message: Some discussion of who was Leader at this time is in Clyve Jones, "The House of Lords and the Growth of Parliamentary Stability" in Britain in the First Age of Party, 1687-1750, Hambledon Press, 1987 pages 99-101. The leadership of the Lords had been previously associated with the office of Northern Secretary, and meetings on government policy before each session of Parliament were held at the house of Lord Harrington, Northern Secretary 1730-1742. However the main organisational business seems to have been conducted by the Duke of Newcastle (Southern Secretary). By the late 1730s Lord Hardwicke (Lord Chancellor) was effectively co-leader with Newcastle, then from 1740 Lord Hervey (Privy Seal) took over the leadership. Opera hat (talk) 10:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1730-1742 

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message: I am genuinely confused about what this section is trying to say. It is not possible for an individual to be leader of both Houses at the same time, for the simple reason that one person cannot be a member of both Houses at once. Perhaps it is trying to say that Peart, Whitelaw and Wakeham were the only people to have been Leader of the Lords after having been Leader of the Commons. I'd argue that doesn't need a section heading, just a single sentence in the 'History' section. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 10:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both Houses Leader section