Talk:Seattle Jewish Federation shooting

message: Does anyone have any objections to removing the "July 2006" from the article? I dont know how many other shootings took place at this location. --Shamir1 00:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving article 

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message: Firstly Yahel I urge you to not simply repeat material in the article to make a point. Secondly, reliable sources say "Haq is not a jihadi, nor a radical Islamist" indicating he was not motivated by religious ideologies.Bless sins (talk) 04:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He stated he did what he did because he is a "muslim." Therefore he self-admits to being motivated by Islam. Of corse, you removed those detials, because it proves your whole arguement wrong. Yahel Guhan 04:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't say he was doing it because Islam told him to do so. Besides he also said that Jews were pushing Muslims around. DO you agree with that statement? Since when is Haq a reliable source?Bless sins (talk) 04:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haq is a reliable source for his own actions, especially when reported in other reliable sources (newspapers). Yahel Guhan 04:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haq's comments are primary sources and can only be stated (and summarized). They can't be interpreted.Bless sins (talk) 04:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are quoted in secondary sources, which do interprit his comments. Yahel Guhan 05:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the secondary sources interpret and come to the conclusion that he was not motivated by Islam (since jihad is an Islamic concept and Islamism is an ideology that has its roots in Islam).Bless sins (talk) 05:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The secondary sources conclude he was not a jihadi (meaning not following all of the same rituals most jihadis would follow). That doesn't mean he wasn't motivated by jihad. Yahel Guhan 05:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It means the same thing. Ofcourse the jihadis (or those who practice jihad) are motivated by it (or some sort of correct or twisted interpretation of it). It's implied in the world itself.Bless sins (talk) 05:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yawn. No, it doesn't imply that. Yahel Guhan 05:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever. Go look at the dictionary if you don't believe me. I've already provided you with reliable secondary source, while you have done no such thing.Bless sins (talk) 05:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haq's words is a reliable source for Haq's opinions. Yahel Guhan 05:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: BTW, a reliable source is saying that he was not motivated by religion. Why are you ignoring that.Bless sins (talk) 04:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source says he was not a jihadi, not that he wasn't motivated in some way, shape, or form by islam. Big difference. Yahel Guhan 04:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I indeed agree that it makes a big difference if he wasn't motivated by Islam. Glad to be in agreement with you.Bless sins (talk) 04:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivation