Talk:Danish Social Liberal Party

message: I'm considering changing the name of this article, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). aliceinlampyland 14:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, please. This article has been through endless name changes. Sigh. What would you change it to? TroelsArvin 19:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

text: We agreed in the past that the naming convention does not necesary always mean that a the name should be in English. For this party the Danish name is usually used also in English. Electionworld 22:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I support moving the article to Danish Social Liberal Party. The Economist, has the following list of parties in the Danish Parliament: Liberal Party (V; 52 seats); Social Democratic Party (SDP; 47 seats); Danish People's Party (DF; 24 seats); Conservative People's Party (KF; 18 seats); Social Liberal Party (R; 17 seats) Socialist People's Party (SF; 11 seats); Unity List (UL; 6 seats). --Bagande 18:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention 

message: The strangest thing about the current name of the article is the inclusion of "Danish", which isn't included in the party name (its an anti-nationalist party). Social Liberal Party (Denmark) would seem to be more appropriate.--Batmacumba (talk) 08:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The only other Social Liberal Party where the nationality is included in the name of the article is the Croatian, where it is actually part of the party name in Croatian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Liberal_Party).--Batmacumba (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the party includes "Danish" in the official English translation of their name.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what they are doing it to translate the appendix Danmarks Social-Liberal Party (the Social Liberal Party of Denmark) to the Danish Social Liberal Party, while leaving the main name Radikale Venstre untranslated.--Batmacumba (talk) 12:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is not what they are doing, they clearly give this as the party's English name: "Introduction to the Danish Social-Liberal. Party Radikale Venstre (the Danish Social-Liberal Party) was founded as an independent party in May 1905." ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 13:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish 

message: I just rewrote some of the sections in this article, they seem to have been written or edited by someone with a grudge against the party. I haven't checked who is been quitely vandalising the page, but I am going to monitor it from now on.
The three sections 'Internal conflict' '2007 election' and 'relationship to other parties' needs to be merged and rewritten to form coherent story, since they discuss many of the same events.
I would prefer to remove the section 'international comparison' completely. It is not accurate, and it is hard to write a comparison that isn't biased one way or another. The party is best described as centrist (as by danish scale), or by its exact policies. Carewolf (talk) 17:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with removing the international comparison. As you say, it would be difficult to do that section properly, and describing the exact policies of the party would be a much better of handling this. Hemmingsen 18:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: The statement "The use of the word for "left" in the name of the former mother party Venstre and the Norwegian party Venstre is meant to refer to Liberalism and not Socialism." is incorrect. The Danish word for "left" refers to socialism/communism. My understanding is that the name of the party comes from the side of the Danish parliament the conservative/liberal "right wing" parties sat on - and has nothing to do with political ideology. I have only heard this from Danes and can not verify this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.106.205 (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Danish word "venstre" (or "left") does indeed refer to socialism/communism nowadays, but it hasn't always done so. The terms left wing and right wing as used to describe political ideologies are older than both socialism and the Danish parliament, and have their origin in the French revolution and seating arrangements in various French assemblies of that era, so they date back to around 1790, but Karl Marx did not publish Das Kapital until 1867 or so. See for example Left-right politics and Glossary of the French Revolution. Their use in Danish party names seems to stem from nicknames for the political groupings that dominated the Danish parliament from 1840s to the 1860s. Bondevennernes Selskab, the liberal ancestor-party of Venstre and Radikale Venstre, was called "Venstre", the National Liberals were called "Centrum" and the conservatives were called "Højre", so even in a Danish parliamentary context the terms seem to predate socialism. I am not sure when the tradition to sit left/right according to ideology was adopted in the Danish parliament, but I don't think it was used in the first Folketing hall (the one in the Christiansborg that burned in 1884). Here the seats were arranged in a "U"-shape so that only the speaker was sitting at center, and as far as I know the tradition was for the ministers to sit by the window, and since this would have been to the left as seen from the speaker, as best as I can tell from the few low-quality pictures I have lying around, and since the ministers of that period more often than not were conservative or right wing they couldn't have been sitting left/right according to ideology. The current seating arrangement of concentric semicircles (or approximately semicircles, anyway) with the speaker at center was used in the temporary parliament in Fredericiagade (from 1884 to around 1918), so that is probably when Danish politicians began sitting left/right according to ideology.That's my 2 cents worth, anyway, and I apologize for failing to keep it short. Hemmingsen 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It appears that "Radical Left" is the more literal translation, while "Radical Liberal" is the more accurate translation of the name. I have removed the labeling of the former as "misleading" from the lead, as the term "Left" is, if anything, the more misleading translation. HGilbert (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "left" 

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