Talk:Apostolic Faith Church/Archive

message: Entries made 22 August 2004 from ISP 198.81.26.48 should be thoroughly checked for accuracy, as this ISP is consistently a source of vandalism. --Wetman 14:31, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I made those changes without realizing that I was not signed in.  Later, I learned that this ISP shows up for many writers.  I, however, have never vandalized an article here or anywhere else.  I attended this church from birth until I was over fifty-years-old and read several books and articles about it, including their own and those not their own.  I checked these sources and did not put anything in the article that I had not read in at least three different published writings. Raina 05:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments by Wetman and Answer 

message: Sister Lila: Thank you for your edits. I changed one of those edits back to the way it was previously, because "campmeeting" was a direct quote. I added [i][sic][/i] to it, to indicate this. Raina 05:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Sister Lila's Edits 

message: In general, I think the article is well-written.  As a member (25 years or my whole life), there are a few things that could stand a little explanation from our point of view, but on the whole, not bad.
Without knowing what you're referring as far as "things that were going to change," I can only guess.  In the last ten or fifteen years, I've seen several changes.  Women now often wear pants outside of the church (at least on the West Coast.  Anything past Colorado and I don't have a clue.)  Higher education is now accepted,with more and more young men and women entering college every year.  Wedding rings still aren't accepted, but I would just like to note that I think this is more about maintaining unity with our foreign work and within the organization than anything else.  I'm ferociously anti-television myself, but more from my personal opinions (yes, I am college-educated) than from church standards.  If you have more questions, I'll see if I have answers! M 23 January 2006 [Unsigned comment by User:67.1.56.13 00:20, 24 January 2006]
:Thank you for your input.  I left this church in December, 1999, after having been a member for 50.5 years, so changes might have occurred in the last five years.  There are those from that church, however, who would disagree with you, but that's all right.  When I was there, the only foreign works that did not allow wedding bands were those in far northern North America; many of the others outside of the USA and on the east coast and south of the continental US have no problem with them.
:By the way, you can get a name- and time-stamp by typing four ~(tildes) in a row.  Nice to have you on board!  By the way, why not do a personal page for yourself? Raina 01:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments By M and Answer 

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I have received e-mails from people regarding this article.  In e-mails from one of the persons who has not yet written here, I have been accused of having "used the forum inappropriately."  My e-mailed response to that person was that if this is what I did, then they are obligated to report it here as such, to which the response was that I had thus created "logical fallacies," and that the e-mail writer was "not naive."  Upon asking if that person believed I had lied, this person replied "Well, what do you think?  Is deception lying?"
I have presented the truth as best I could, after having consulted the AF's own literature as well as that of other churches that came from the roots they share.  My reason for writing what happened is that the AF, as I knew it, had attempted to present itself as perfect, as the only organization with the "whole truth."  Yet it appeared that there was a major cover-up at the AF's roots that hurt many people, according to many resources which wrote of the demise of the Seymour church that parented this church.  Had the AF acknowledge that mistakes were made, this would have been less of an issue, but this legacy would have remained.  Since most believers believe in forgiveness, however, it would not have been so blatant.  
Perhaps I labor under the concept that the truth should be prized rather than covered up by carefully-manipulated words.  I also recognize that because I was deceived multiple times by people I should have been able to trust, I can be harsh and rigid toward truth.
However, because of e-mails I have received, I know that several AF people, including pastors, have read this article over a period of time that includes, minimally, several weeks.  If what I wrote was untruthful, and if it was indeed biased, why was the article not rewritten to show the truth? Raina 05:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Response to The Article