Talk:James Pike

message: Jumps around - for example "following his son's suicide" without previous reference to the event.  One of several examples of poor prose.  I don't know enough about the topic to do it myself.  Interesting article though. Wikipeterproject 04:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Edited line stating that Pike marched with King (he met with King before the march) and cleaned up the issues surrounding his son's suicide.   I'll continue to fill in the bibliography and add citations.
--RFlynn1000 12:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Started some work

message: Added standard infobox for Bishop, expanded early life, include complete (I think) bibliography of books published.
--RFlynn1000 14:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More  work 

message: I wonder if the conclusion drawn at the end of this sentence is NPOV (italics mine):
"In his personal life, Pike was a chain-smoker, an alcoholic, craved attention, and was likely addicted in some way to romance and relationships."
I didn't write this phrase and while it seems a correct conclusion based on the research I've done, it seems a little biased and judgmental.  Any thoughts?
--RFlynn1000 19:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a psychological opinion rendered by a church source, so it's not exactly an authoritative source, but at the same time, it draws the reader in to the article.  If a corroborating source can be found, leave it in, otherwise remove it. —Viriditas | Talk 12:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source given supports the first parts of the sentence, but not the final clause that RFlynn1000 particularly draws attention too, so far as I can see.  David Underdown 15:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this NPOV? 

message: I'm reasonably well-versed in Anglican terminology, but I'm not sure what is intended to be meant by the description of someone as a "first-order" deacon.  I think this needs to be explained more fully.  David Underdown 13:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for  your feedback David!!  I've expanded the section on Pike's ordination of the first woman as "first-order" deacon, explaining (I think) that it reflect the first stage in the ordination process as a priest and that it is now called "transitional deacon.
--RFlynn1000 20:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First-order deacon 

message: Some of the basics facts seem inline with what I've read, but with uncited lines like "He plundered diocesan funds to support his mistress", I'd feel uneasy about using much from it.  Any other opinions?
RFlynn1000 19:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not sure on the POV on this "Everything" article

message: In the article's sentence He was ultimately censured by his brother bishops in 1966 for this and resigned his position shortly thereafter, the words "for this" seem vague. If it references the previous paragraph, was he censured for meeting with Dr. King or for his views?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.213.86 (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "For this" vague 

message: In the song "Andy Fell" by Human Sexual Response, Pike is referenced in a story about the suicide of a student.  The line stated "Someone heard him mumbling about Bishop Pike.  He fell out of the window in the middle of the night." 
:Is this notable? Viriditas (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Need more references.  Please help out. Viriditas (talk) 10:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: Wasn't he also a critic of America's involvement in the Vietnam War? I didn't see that noted in the article....but I myself cannot think of a good RS for it. Rja13ww33 (talk) 00:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he was.  He was also one of the most visible Christian leaders to incorporate the peace symbol into his clergical attire, wearing the peace symbol next to his cross to show his opposition to the Vietnam War.  This is discussed in David M. Robertson's A Passionate Pilgrim: A Biography of Bishop James A. Pike (2007), pp. 195-198.  There's quite a bit of material there.  To briefly summarize, Pike previously supported the Vietnam War up until 1967, at which point he reversed himself, joining 250 clergy and other celebrities to help  conscientious objectors.  He later joined Harvard theologian Harvey Cox, bishop of the California diocese Rev. Kilmer Myers, and Cornell Jesuit chaplain Rev. Daniel Berrigan in this endeavor.  According to Robertson, Pike's opposition to the war was rooted in studies of early Christianity (which had tremendous influence on the work of writer Philip K. Dick) and his presence at the 1967 Pacem in Terris conference, whose guest speakers vocally opposed the war.  The 300 participants of the conference were said  "to have agreed that the war in Vietnam was at best a mistake"; conference supervisor Robert Hutchins included Pike's name on this list.  On April 8, 1968,  a tumultuous and chaotic year in US history, Pike delivered a sermon synthesizing these beliefs titled "The God of Law and Order Is Dead" at Central Presbyterian Church on Park Avenue. In that sermon, Pike wrote, "Jesus was a revolutionary like the Vietcong and a freedom fighter like Martin Luther King Jr."  Robertson notes that Pike "made unambiguously clear his belief in a Christology of revolutionary protest against those who have 'made an ideal out of law and order,' and who were willing to acquiesce to the Vietnam War." That's a summary of at least three pages, so you may want to read the material to get a better sense of it. Viriditas (talk) 01:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I may add something of this to the article. Being a Episcopalian old enough to have (vague) recollections of this....I thought it was a significant omission. Rja13ww33 (talk) 02:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a significant omission, but the biography didn't exist when I created the page in 2005. Viriditas (talk) 02:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam War 

message: I just ran across an interesting primary source, for anyone who's interested: an interview Pike gave in 1967 to an "underground paper" in Seattle: :File:Helix, v.2, no.2, Sep. 29, 1967 - DPLA - e0803ae32faefe1a808926cc68c720e7 (page 8).jpg. It looks like at least something close to a verbatim transcript. - Jmabel | Talk 20:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting primary source