Talk:Characters of the StarCraft series

message: This article has merged all major characters of StarCraft into one article (with the exception of Zeratul, Kerrigan and Raynor, as extra information is available for them), per the new WP:FICTION. It's now written from an out-of-universe perspective and substantial details on development, reception and merchandise (all specified under WP:FICTION) have been included. However, not much information was available for the development aspect, so further expansion there will be needed as more sources come to light. All character pages and redirect pages have been redirected here. All portrait images have been done in a consistent style, and to answer the questions before they come: the one of Nova is from the Ghost cinematic trailer, and the one of Findlay is from the SC2 cinematic trailer. Expect one on based Valerian Mengsk's concept art from Blizzcon soon. Article is based on Characters of Final Fantasy VIII. Also, if anyone comes across a listing of the cast of StarCraft: Insurrection, please let me know. -- Sabre 11:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The merging of the character articles

message: Overall, this article is well sourced, and provides plenty of out of universe perspective. Some considerations, though; there are some slightly awkward sentences, so help from the League of Copyeditors or a thorough self-copy edit might be helpful. In terms of where to go from here, I'd prolly say to wait until Starcraft II comes out before attempting to nominate for FAC. As article stability is an important part of FA criteria, I doubt the article would pass when new characters will appear. David Fuchs (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Provided the following is addressed, I am proposing this for A-class.
*Citations of the StarCraft Legacy website should be fixed per my suggestion on Talk:Jim Raynor, copied for convenience:
:*In citing the website "StarCraft Legacy", make it clear that the actual scene is cited, not the website. StarCraft Legacy on its own is not a reliable source. Instead of:
::*"
::*StarCraft Episode V, mission 5a: Emperor's Fall (Ground Zero). Blizzard Entertainment. Transcript.
::The latter is based on  - with the huge number of links, one might consider adding the functionality of citing a specific part of a video game, and adding transcripts, to .
*Gaming jargon. "Playable" and "Controllable" in the lead as an example, and it might be worth to check the rest.
*In universe style. I recognise the great job done here on keeping in-universe style to a minimum, but I have a real problem with the first sentences in some of the sections. Introduce characters with their role in the game, not with their fictional significance. So, instead of:
::Tassadar is a three hundred and fifty-six year old male Protoss high templar, holding the rank of executor in the Protoss Defense Forces.
:Write (fictional):
::Tassadar is the primary protagonist in the early Protoss missions of StarCraft. He is a three hundred and fifty-six year old...
:Some of the sections already do this, so keep it up.
User:Krator (t c) 22:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the assessment. But why is SCL not a reliable source? The Clawed One 22:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how to adjust the sources as you suggested, but will edit the grammar and tone. The Clawed One 22:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll look into the references later, it shouldn't be too hard, but there's a lot of them to do. -- Sabre 09:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I've done the references for the Kerrigan and Raynor articles, I'll go for the long haul with the references in this article tomorrow. -- Sabre 15:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:VG]] Assessment 

message: I noticed long ago that Artanis backwards is Sinatra. Samir Duran clearly seems to have been named after Duran Duran ("My name is Duran. Duran!"). I'm not sure of any other allusions, but perhaps these two should be mentioned at least?--SeizureDog 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strikes me as more of an afterthought by Blizzard than a design feature: the Duran Duran moment is only meant as a joke, there's no evidence to suggest the character is deliberately named after the band. And Artanis is also another name for Galadriel as well. I don't think it would be appropriate to put that sort of thing in.   -- Sabre 14:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical theme with character names? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Collectors figures (StarCraft).jpg

message: On the Blizzard site they have released a recap article for Starcraft's episodes I, II, and III.  It reveals that the player character in the Protoss campaign is actually Artanis. Someone ought to update his profile for a small recap of what he did in Episode III. 72.234.46.115 (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst full details of the player's activities in Episode III should be avoided, it could be worth brief mention if true. Can you provide the link? -- Sabre (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here you go,  72.234.46.115 (talk) 12:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Interesting, it also makes the promotion of Duke in Liberty's Crusade canon, as well as confirming the Queen of Blades introduction of Artanis as the executor. Seems a little odd that Artanis is the executor, since that role seems to be more of a general's role, while praetor seems comparable to an army captain. In any case, it's clearly the way that Blizzard are moving the canon of the lore, so I'll add a note about it to Artanis' section, as well as a similar note to Duke's section. -- Sabre (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Artanis

message: Just wondering, in the section on Fenix, at the start it talks about him as if he is alive, when its clear, at least from the events of Brood War, that he was killed by Kerrigan...at the end of the same section, it also notes this, and the rumor about him being brought back again, but also says Blizzard denies this. So until its official that hes being brought back a third time, shouldnt the first part of the article refer to him in past tense? I won't edit it, apparently all my edits are "spam"...Taker04 (talk) 14:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the Wikipedia Manual of Style on fiction, as we are dealing with a fictional character, so the tense should always be in the present as it is now. If we were dealing with a real person who was dead, then yes it should be past tense, but we're not and therefore we should write about the subject from a real-world perspective. -- Sabre (talk) 17:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: If you think about it more closely, in the grand scheme of the StarCraft series, Fenix doesn't actually do anything. While a strong character, he's just "there", just another battlefield commander who's killed off, brought back then killed off again. Note in particular that the official summaries of StarCraft and Brood War by Blizzard make no reference to Fenix at all beyond the use of one bit of dialogue.  He doesn't actually influence the storyline in any great capacity in the way Raynor, Kerrigan or Zeratul do. -- Sabre (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fenix 

message: Zeratul is actually voiced by Jack Ritschel in Starcraft and Broodwar, and he is deceased. See
http://www.sclegacy.com/content/editorials-8/blizzcon-2007-starcraft-lore-panel-editorial-44/
:Who actually voices Zeratul is unclear. One source will say Ritschel, another will say Harper. Both are credited as voice actors in the game, but which one does what is not in the credits. Its an issue I think is worth contacting Blizzard directly for clarification, as reliable sources credit both people for the role. -- Sabre (talk) 10:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The recent BlizzCon 2009 panel cleared up the confusion. It's Ritschel that voiced the character. Just look it up on YouTube.64.85.234.166 (talk) 08:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zeratul listed with the wrong voice actor. 

message: Duran's profile claims that: "Duran also claims to have "had many names throughout the millennia", suggesting that he is far older than any other character in StarCraft; even the extremely long lived Protoss rarely live over a single millennium."
While Duran certainly is among the oldest characters, the statement isn't entirely true. In the mission "Full Circle" from the original Zerg Campaign, The Overmind refers to itself as having "born withness to the passing of countless millennia". Since Cerebrates are described in the manual as having been around since the beginnings on Zerus, the oldest Cerebrates (like Daggoth) are probably almost as old. Their ages are listed as unknown in the manual, as well. Darthdyas (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted. Duran is now noted as older than "most other characters", rather than "any other character". -- Sabre (talk) 10:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character's ages 

message: I am a bit worried about the article's readability, specificly to people unfamiliar with StarCraft. According to the Outside kNowledge ReQuired guideline, this article is unusable to people who have not played the game. Now I know ONRQ isn't an industry standard or Wikipedia policy, but I use it extensively to judge whether I am writing too technically. I am not advocating a dumbing down of the article, but rather that someone put some layman's explanations in. This was done with the fictional rank system used to describe the Protoss, but hasn't been done elsewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nezzadar (talk • contribs) 21:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I can't see quite where the article becomes non-understandable for non-players, I do accept that the article needs a thorough copyedit to get it up to a decent quality again. Its been quite a while since its GA review, standards in regards to prose have risen since and a number of references have gone dead. I will hopefully be able to get something done with this in the next few weeks. -- Sabre (talk) 09:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  High ONRQ is a put off 

message: Because that might just have happened: http://www.general-books.net/book.cfm?id=3637940 (source link)
If you click on the publisher link, http://booksllc.net/?id=12123161, it leads right back to the Characters of StarCraft page! The random excerpt also looks familiar.
The book is on sale for $10, and is also at Amazon and Barnes & Noble under the . The publisher, General Books, has a shady looking link: http://generalbooks.org/index.html Kimera757 (talk) 12:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did someone copy-and-paste this article, print it and sell it for money? 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Zeratul's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "manual":
From Jim Raynor: 
From Koprulu sector (StarCraft): Underwood, Peter, Bill Roper, Chris Metzen and Jeffrey Vaughn. StarCraft (Manual). Irvine, Calif.: Blizzard Entertainment, 1998
From Characters of StarCraft: 
Reference named "ep4m4":
From List of minor characters in the StarCraft series:  Transcript.
From Characters of StarCraft:  Transcript (Archived from the original on 2004-10-08).
Reference named "ep6m8":
From List of minor characters in the StarCraft series:  Transcript.
From Characters of StarCraft:  Transcript (Archived from the original on 2004-10-08).
Reference named "QueenNovel":
From Characters of StarCraft: 
From Koprulu sector (StarCraft): Rosenburg, Aaron. StarCraft: Queen of Blades. Simon & Schuster Pocket Books, 2006
Reference named "LoreVid":
From Characters of StarCraft: 
From List of minor characters in the StarCraft series: Metzen, Chris; Chambers, Andy; StarCraft Legacy staff. 2009-04-03. BlizzCon 2007 StarCraft Lore Panel Editorial. StarCraft Legacy. Accessed 2009-05-18.
Reference named "ep4m8":
From Characters of StarCraft:  Transcript (Archived from the original on 2004-10-08).
From Species of StarCraft:  Transcript.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Zeratul]] 

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message: Well, this article has either fallen into disrepair or standards have significantly changed, because it's currently full of in-universe video game trivia and needs to be pared down to core details if not elaborated in reliable, secondary sources.  czar 07:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
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