Talk:Islam/Archive 9

message: An editor named Jbull "corrected" the Islam article to read that the Muslims conquered Syria and Jerusalem in the eleventh century. Um, dude, you're only four centuries off. Both subdued by Umar, the second caliph, in 636 and 637 CE. Sheesh! Zora 18:49, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I really mangled that.  I should have written that the Seljuk Turks conquered Syria in 1076 and Jerusalem in 1077, spurring the Crusades.  Thanks for the rv. Jbull 19:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conquest of Syria and Jerusalem 

message: Can we cut the spin and include some straight facts about Islam and other religions ie the de facto policies of Islamic countries towards other religions. I know it sounds so nice and PC to generalize that Islamic countries are tolerant of other faiths but certainly there is ample evidence on the news wires nearly every day that this may not be an entirely correct assessment.User:Kyodai 05:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam and other religions

message: ZoE, I hope you do understand well that if you agree about keeping "though deficient by modern standards" sentence than you should agree that there are thousands of articles in WP that the sentance must be inserted somewhere in every article! Say The persians formed a developped society ruled by law at the times of Hamurabi, though deficient by modern standards in terms of democracy and human rights. Say Greeks were the first to introduce the concept of democracy, though deficient by modern standards in terms of democracy and human rights... -- Svest 02:31, September 10, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™
:true. "deficient by modern standards" has no place in historical writeups. Or I'll start inserting "deficient by ancient standards" into quite some articles about current events. dab (ᛏ) 07:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Key here is even simpler . Read Quran/Sunnah first , talk later . Learn from scholars , not from certified illeterates/phobics/hypocrites . Farhansher 19:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern standards Vs Bronze age standards 

message: This section was blanked... I think I re-added everything.... I didn't see a reason... was it just unfixed vandalism or what? gren グレン 08:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I dont think it gives much info anyways . Farhansher 19:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: For some unknown reasons , the picture of dome of rock is on the top . I think at that position , the best option will be to use a picture of Kaaba , rather than dome of rock , which I think is the 4th or 5th holliest site in Islam . Farhansher 19:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Well, it's the 3rd. -- Svest 19:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too. Yes, it is the third.  a-n-o-n-y-m 19:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, well some people consider Al Aqsa mosque as the third holliest site ( Dome of rock & Al Aqsa are separate buildings though in the same area ) . And some people also consider Jannat-al-Baqi as the third holliest site after Kaaba & Masjid-e-nabvi . Anyways the point is , the place belongs to Kaaba , & not dome of rock . Farhansher 21:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True. The place belongs to Kaaba. -- Svest 21:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Farhanser, are you going to work on it?  a-n-o-n-y-m 21:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dome of Rock

message: Out of interest, why is the lead section so short for such an important article? - 220.101.78.35 11:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, unfortunately, neutrality has been made stricter for this article. Even if anything that is a fact about Islam is added there, it is removed by some anti-Islamic editors (mind the expression) who think that it speaks positively and ofcourse they can't let that happen. That's the simplest way to put it.  a-n-o-n-y-m 23:06, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: I just spent many hours preparing a spreadsheet and then a table of the Muslim population of the world, broken down into Sunni-Shi'a-Ibadi to the extent that I could. I got the figures from the CIA World Factbook and adherents.com. The Sunni-Shi'a breakdown is grossly inaccurate and underestimates the Shi'a. I would appreciate any help other editors could give me in making the figures more accurate and in making the table (my first ever!) look better. Zora 14:21, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help on [[Demographics of Islam]] article 

message: Please help make the Criticism of Islam article better. Please refer to the articles talk page for our current discussion.--JuanMuslim 04:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article is grossly POV. It is currently one of the ones on my "to do list". I will help you out as soon as I have dealt with some issues I am facing on other articles. I have worked on it somewhat, but that article needs way more NPOV.--a.n.o.n.y.m   t 19:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  HIGHLY POV - Criticism of Islam 

message: Since this page is locked - 
could someone with admin please change the linked text in bold to link to "Din (Arabic term)" rather than "Din (Islamic term)" as the latter is a redirect to the former.  
and is described as a Dīn or Deen, meaning "way of life" and/or "religion." Etymologically, it is derived from the same root as, for example, Salām meaning "peace" (also a common salutation).
Thank you --Dinosaurdarrell 09:50, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Dīn needs to be changed 

message: Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and his unique salvific role, and the teachings of Islam in this respect have been likened to a compound heresy made of arianism, nestorianism and docetism ("… They did not kill him (Jesus) and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them..." Qur'an, 4:157), with some pelagian and also monarchianistic (i.e., anti-trinitarian) elements.
:If that's what you want to believe, that is fine, but what is your point? I hope you are not here to start preaching.--a.n.o.n.y.m   t 15:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ 

message: Islamic conquest of Europe was first stopped at the Battle of Tours (732 A.D.) and Muslims never progressed beyond Spain, from which they were also forced out later.
:Of course that doesn't belong in the main Islam article, and the phrasing is POV. But, btw, it is not "Historical FACT" and if you think it is, you may want to read up on the Ottoman and Mongol empires as well. Dmcdevit·t 21:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical FACT not POV - Dont't hide!