Talk:Discworld/Archive 1

message: Why are the short stories "Turntables of the Night" and "Hollywood Chickens" not mentioned? They appeared in the anthologies "The Flying Sorcerers – More Comic Tales of Fantasy" and "Knights of Madness" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.47.183.195 (talk • contribs) .
:Err, because they're not Discworld short stories? :-) Stephenb (Talk) 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Short Stories

message: I hotly dispute the claim that A Hat Full of Sky is a childrens' book. To be fair, though, I just finished it and haven't come down from whatever's the literature equivalent of being high yet. -- Kizor 22:45, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote the author (during a discussion yesterday on the use of chapters in the new book... "A Hat Full Of Sky is a children's book, just like The Wee Free Men, Truckers and the Johnny Maxwell series". Sorry! --Dan Huby 11:11, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Righto. --Kizor 15:49, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

text: It's a Very Pratchett Children's Book (tm), to paraphrase the man himself, You can tell it's a children's book because it has more blood and guts than normal;  It's the type of book kids want to read, not the type their parents want them to... --JeffUK 15:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Children's books

message: There's a query at Talk:Great A'Tuin in re H-R diagrams. Can anyone help with this?
:It's been answered now. --Paul A 06:46, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: help, please

message: I've added a couple of possible future novels talked about in 'The Art of Discworld' to the list of novels - maybe it might be better to put these into a [new] future novels section. --NeilTarrant 20:50, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Strata doesn't seem to share too much with Discworld, apart from the idea of the disc-shaped world. Still, I can't remember the plot too well. Nethertheless I have added something about it to the 'novels' section. --Neo 22:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Novels

message: There is now a WikiProject for the Discworld articles – please lend your support at Wikipedia:WikiProject Discworld. violet/riga (t) 00:12, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject 

message: Hello. I love the series and happen to own quite a few the books, and one thing I have noticed--as I tend to read the sort of "inner blurb" or whatever you call the piece of writing next to a rather dark picture of Terry right at the beginning of the books--is that they usually say something to the effect of "Moving Pictures is the tenth novel in the phenomenally successful Discworld series". This is alright up until Nightwatch which the book says is  27th, Monstrous Regiment 28, Going Postal 29th, but the articles on wikipedia seem to differ because, as I figured out, they include the 3 Young Adult novels and the 1 Illustrated novel in the numbering scheme. Would it be possible to rather have a scheme for Discworld novels like this:
Novels: 1-29...
Illustrated novels: 1..
Young adult novels: 1-3... ?
It is also what http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Terry_Pratchett.htm (and the books themselves) seem to use. --Ajshm 14:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouold include the illustrated novels with the novels because of the I believe that Eric has both been released with and without illustrations. I don't think that it makes sense to make a differnce between them here. L-space puts all Discworld novels in the order they have been realesed. My personal oppinion is that we should number the books as they appear in the template – that we should count the children's novels separtly. Jeltz talk 15:16, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Nth novel in the Discworld series

message: The discussion of Rincewind stories includes what I suppose is a major plot point in Sourcery.  Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning?  Or, better, remove this detail as not particularly relevant to the discussion?  Phiwum 11:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it should be removed as an unnecessary spoiler. Jeltz talk 17:51, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler warning? 

message: I think that several motifs must be specified for each novel. For example to "Soul Music" motifs one can add Family Entertainment Copyright Act, FUD and some more.
: I added the 'Blues Brothers' motif for soul music as the book mimics scenes from the film frequently. (I think there were about 5 large scenes and several other smaller mentions). - Icecradle 12:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More motifs to the list of novels. 

message: Much to my delight I find a new Discworld book on the list, but it was added by an anon user. Can anyone find the source of the info? Thegreatloofa 13:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be legit, as the source of the rumor is Paul Kidby himself (scroll down to January 6th)...great news indeed :) -- Ferkelparade π 15:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making Money? 

message: I've reverted the image addition, as I suspect the map, which was commercially released, is still under copyright.  The website the user took the image from is a fan page, which I suspect illegally scanned the image.  Whether it is fair use, given that the map is the product, is doubtful.  Does anyone have any info about whether the image is free for "promotional" use, though? Stephenb (Talk) 09:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that we could use this under fair use because it is a low resolution copy of the map, and it definitely adds to the article. If someone had never heard of the "discworld" then this would be a necessary encyclopedic tool. Fosnez 11:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it's a commerically produced product. We need permission to use it. It would be nice, yes, but so would most of the images that get deleted from wikipedia. - DavidWBrooks 11:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still getting my legs for the fine line of copyright... The Map also appears inside the front cover of the Unseen Library reprintings of the books. Could we use the Book cover copyright tab? Fosnez 01:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They would presumably have payed for its use - if you have a copy, see if there's an attribution on the credits page.  Stephenb (Talk) 09:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be whoever holds the copyright - it might be Pratchett, but it's more likely to be the artist (Stephen Player, IIRC) and the publishers (Gollanz?) who would need to be asked. Stephenb (Talk) 19:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:Discworld_Map.jpg]]

message: I believe that Scotsman.com has citation for Terry Pratchet as the most shoplifted author in Britain. (look in the first paragraph) If nobody objects, I will go ahead and add it into the article. 
:No objections, so I added it in jf 00:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: I seem to recall as a kid learning about a myth about the Earth being held on the back of elephants, which in turn are on the back of a turtle.  When I first was introduced to Discworld, I thought Prattchet had used that ancient myth as the basis of his novels.  However, the only myth I could find that was similar was an Iroquois myth that had the earth on the back of a turtle.  I have yet to find a myth that has both the turtle and elephants.  I thought that perhaps I was just confusing Discworld with this myth, but the Discworld (world) article indicates that it was in "reference to popular mythology."  Can anyone help me out here?  What was the myth?  If it exists, it should be mentioned in the article. 
-- Fogelmatrix 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The world on the back of a turtle is a reasonably common myth (see the delightful article Turtles all the way down) - I've always assumed that's what Pratchett meant. I've never heard of a world-on-the-back-of-an-elephant, and certainly not both elephants and turtles, but that's a possibility. - DavidWBrooks 18:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops - I should read my own links better. Turtles all the way down contains a secondary reference that says the elephant/turtle mix is describes as being "the Hindus' view" but nothing more. - DavidWBrooks 18:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now I've read even farther in the same article. (Gotta curb this impatience-to-post) which points to Chukwa, which says "In Hindu mythology, Chukwa is the first and oldest turtle, supporting the Earth. In some accounts, she supports the elephant, Maha-pudma, who supports the Earth. The turtle swims in Ksheera Sagara (the primordial ocean of milk)." ... definitely worth adding to the article! - DavidWBrooks 18:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last post, honest. We're too late: All this material is already in Discworld (world), an article about the world as compared to the book series. - DavidWBrooks 18:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great A'Tuin 

message: I think Corgi are releasing the new black and grey paperbacks alongside the "traditional" ones rather than replacing them. ICBW, but I haven't noticed any bookshop run out of stock on the Kirbys, and the new ones have been around for a while. I'll check the publication details next time I have the chance. Daibhid C 19:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Josh Kirby

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld#References
In this section line 4 there is this link:
^ The Discworld Reading Order Guide 1.25 - 30kB GIF showing the interrelationships between the books and series within Discworld, with suggested starts
This is old and dated version. I added a link to the newer version (1.5) and this link was moved to the extrnel links sectiuon. However keeping the link to version 1.25 in this section is misleading. (the 1.5 version has among other things the novel "thud" and the children book "where's my cow" in the proper place.
I would have replace the reference myself only there is no access to this section.
71.146.25.149 21:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Removed the External Link version and updated the References to the 1.5 version. GJD 21:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A somewhat misleading link in the references section 

message: It appears that the page for each individaul novel includes its ISBN.  Is it necessary/helpful to also have a column for ISBN in the table of Discworld Novels?  Do people like to compare ISBNs of different novels?  Is there perhaps some other use that this column could be put to?  or eliminated for simplicity?  Do booksellers need a column of ISBN on this page?  -Gomm 03:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely. The ISBNs are already listed in the individual book articles, there is no need to reproduce them all here. Eliminating the column would also be a start on getting the size of that massive table under control. Chrismith 05:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, here goes.  Maybe we can find somebody who needs ISBN in a table.  -Gomm 21:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISBN column in novels table? 

message: Okay, I'll ask.  What are the Historical novels (esp. Les Misérables) motifs in Night Watch? -Gomm 23:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the Les Misérables article, in themes it mentions "politics, moral philosophy, law, justice, religion, and the types and nature of romantic and familial love"! I don't know Les Mis well but had heard the comparison before I'd seen it on wiki, a few other bits would include, revolution & barricades, weather 'the law' is justice and moral ambiguity of prostitutes. At least as worthy as some of the other mentions in that section. --Nate1481 17:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I see your point.  And I agree about your assessment of many of the other mentions in this section.  But most of his literary references are much more blatant than this one.  I have to wonder if this is more coincidence than motif.  Aren't all of these things discussed in other Ankh-Morpork stories?  And there is nothing like an inflexible cop doggedly chasing after a basically good criminal.  I have to admit that the similarity had not even occurred to me until reading your reply.  -Gomm 00:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there's no dodgy cop (unless you count the whole of the cable street peculiars) and it's not as blatant as say Macbeth in Wyrd Sisters but it is set in a historical context, it's worth a mention. When you consider the length of Les Mis you could argue that the watch series as a whole reflects the book!. --Nate1481 00:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical novels,Les Misérables motifs in ''Night Watch''? 

message: I don't know exactly where to put this, but good job in general on the Discworld series of articles. They are explanatory and capture a little bit of the humor while still keeping it encyclopedic. --Imp88 23:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good job! 

message: According to this bit of news from Paul Kidby's website, Nation isn't a Discworld story and there's a few other tie-ins in the pipe-line. I shall edit accordingly. HornetMike 12:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News

message: Either link to all the seperate people in the table, eg. Rincewind in first entry, or none I think. Maurauth 11:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novel Table 

message: Does anyone else think the timeline section is (a) perfunctory and (b) unnecessary? 80.176.254.67 12:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - I have removed it. It was neither verifiable externally, nor really very encyclopaedic. Stephenb (Talk) 13:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline? 

message: I can't find any news releases on Google since the original Jan 2006 ones, and 18 months later this project is still not listed on the Raimi or Pratchett imdb.com pages.  Has this project died?  Was it ever anything more than just a press release?  -Gomm 02:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wee Free Men in Film