Talk:Pierre de Coubertin medal

message: The opening paragraph says that the award is given to athletes "who demonstrate the spirit of sportsmanship in Olympic events". But tana Umaga recieved the award for rugby union, which hasn't been an olympic sport since 1924. So is the opening paragraph incorrect or is rugby still counted as an olympic event? Basement12 (talk) 16:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Olympic events?

message: Is there a source for the hidden note that "kilates" was actually the word that Jesse Owens used?  Joyous! | Talk 19:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know but Luz Long has the same quote, but uses "karat" (with a K, since apparently that spelling is usual in the US). There's not much in it in terms of Google hits, so who knows? Given that "kilates" is uncommon in English, my inclination would be to say that it's that word which is more in need of sourcing, and that an (unsourced) hidden comment is not sufficient. Loganberry (Talk) 20:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the wording to "karat." If there's another concern, we can talk it out here. Thanks, Loganberry, for your comment. Joyous! | Talk 00:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks absolutely fine to me. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 17:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "kilates" vs "carats" 

message: Is there any good evidence that Luz Long really received this medal? In the German wikipedia, he was removed because no good evidence could be found...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.2.233 (talk) 17:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luz Long 

message: I think Bulgarian wrestler Boyan Radev won it too in 2009.  MachoCarioca (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Boyan Radev and Xia Geng

message: Given that the medal is awarded for exceptional sportsmanship, is there a case for including a description of the incident (or sequence of events) for which each medal was awarded?
86.14.9.87 (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make sense, yes. -- Lejman (talk) 00:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: A case for listing why each recipient was awarded the Pierre de Coubertin medal?

message: This Wikipedia article keeps getting edited along with the 2016 USA Olympic medal counts on whether or not both D'Agostino and Hamblin were awarded. 
According to the Olympics they were both awarded yesterday:
https://www.olympic.org/news/fair-play-awards-recognise-true-olympic-champions-in-sportsmanship
I haven't updated the page, but this seems the most reliable source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.240.165 (talk) 02:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be the same confusion mentioned above - there are two different awards. Both Hamblin and D'Agostino were awarded the Fair Play Trophy (seen in the picture in the article above). But a number of WP:RS are also reporting that Hamblin has been awarded the PdC medal, although some are saying this is not confirmed yet. The whole article needs some work done on clarifying the differences between the various awards. Melcous (talk) 03:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The Guardian have now updated their article, but its still a little unclear. According to International Fair Play Committee they award three medals, one of which is the similarly named Pierre de Coubertin World Fair Play Trophy. Is this what these athletes received? If so I can see how the confusion arose, and this article needs a hatnote for disambiguation. Derek Andrews (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 Awards - from the Olympic website 

message: As several others have commented, there is a Pierre de Coubertin Award given by the International Fair Play Committee (CIFP) for sportsmanship. According CIFP, this award has been given since 1965 and the first to receive it was Eugenio Monti. http://www.fairplayinternational.org/cifp-history
I submit that this is the actual award for sportsmanship. It is sometimes given to Olympic Games competitors and is sometimes mentioned by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), which is pleased when it is given to competitors in the Games, but is not their award to give.
There is also a Pierre de Coubertin Medal given by the IOC for support of the Olympic Movement, particularly through teaching but apparently in practice through many nonathletic endeavors. This medal was established in 1997. 
This fact is mentioned in the 2013 report of the Australian Olympic Committee, which lists Harvey's award as this type. http://aoc-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/corporate/live/files/dmfile/2013AOCAnnualReportandFinancialStatements.pdf 
A list of recipients from 1997 to 2001 and description of the medal can be found in this newsletter of the International Society of Olympic Historians. http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/JOH/JOHv10n1/JOHv10n1k.pdf
An image of an actual medal can be found in an auction catalogue. http://www.ioneil.com/site/auction/a76/a76_catalog53-56.pdf
I submit that this is the award given to benefactors of the Olympic Movement and is the true Pierre de Coubertin Medal.
We are now seeing a great deal of public confusion as journalists are not quite sure what to call the award given to 2016 Olympic Games 5000m runners Abbey D'Agostino and Nikki Hamblin. Doubtless some of this confusion is caused by this Wikipedia page, which purports to canonize that there is a single Pierre de Coubertin Medal given only 17 times.
Abbot.x (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add to this that Vanderlei de Lima was definitely awarded the Pierre de Coubertin medal (as mentioned at the 2016 Opening Ceremony and easily checked by a Google image search), that this medal was awarded by the IOC, and that the reason given in the press at the time was in part "fair play". Perhaps this was an exceptional reason for awarding this medal, or perhaps there is a separate Pierre de Coubertin medal for fair play that is awarded even more rarely than this article indicates. This article needs work in any case, but journalists should really have heeded the "additional citations needed" banner. 62.249.160.48 (talk) 20:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to work on the article to improve it.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have liked to, as I find the subject (or, at least, the claimed subject) interesting, but I have been unable to find sources of sufficient quality to feel comfortable removing this amount of content from Wikipedia.62.249.160.48 (talk) 20:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you believe what you've written there should be no problem removing the factually inaccurate items.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't, but I'm less sure I believe that. Have a nice day. 62.249.160.48 (talk) 20:51, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So what medal received recently the 2 women? Cause I'm confused too... :-/ 2.87.87.76 (talk) 12:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

text: That image provides further evidence that New Zealand rubgy captain Tana Umaga (who is pictured) received an award from CIFP, not IOC.Abbot.x (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the trophy/medal Tana Umaga is holding in that pic. Obviously it is not the same as this trophy being presented to Nikki Hamblin. On the other hand the Brazilian Vanderlei Cordeiro de Lima clearly is holding the same medal that has been awarded to sports administrators, including Henry Kissinger. All very confusing. MaxBrowne (talk) 00:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: My current best guess is that the award given to Hamblin, D'Agostino and the Norwegian handball team is one created by the CIFP specifically for the Rio Olympics. Unless someone can find another picture of a trophy resembling the one being presented to Hamblin. MaxBrowne (talk) 05:26, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds reasonable, though perhaps the CIFP award was designed for all 2016 individual acts of sportsmanship awards rather than the 2016 Olympic Games. I have not been able to find another example of the grasping hands trophy. As stated above, Vanderlei Cordeiro de Lima clearly was awarded the same medal given to educators and administrators and it clearly came from IOC. His award being explained as it was has always struck me as, frankly, a bit odd. Being the victim of fan interference is regrettable, but it is not really what tends to be characterized as fair play or sportsmanship. And the marathoner and his national committee did not simply let it go but instead lodged a protest that was ultimately unsuccessful. (Contrast that with the award to the Norwegian handballers for declining to pursue a protest for the failure to call a technical violation.) IOC felt it needed to give de Lima a big medal so shoehorned him into the Pierre de Coubertin category. (After all, it was ultimately event organizers' fault that a fan could so easily interfere.) This seems to have contributed to what I now see as the misconception that IOC awards the Pierre de Coubertin Medal for sportsmanship. In fact, it doesn't. It did so exactly once, as a consolation prize to de Lima (which did not entirely satisfy him), but otherwise gives that medal to sports "educators," who in practice are usually administrators and bureaucrats who help the Olympic Movement. But in general the award for sportsmanship named for Pierre de Coubertin is CIFP's sportsmanship award.Abbot.x (talk) 15:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Some research into the quote early in the article: The source currently redirects to a page on Olympic sports, but this is an archived version of the page quoted. In this article the beginnings of International Fair Play Committee and the Pierre de Coubertin trophy is presented, before it unhelpfully goes on to conflate trophy and medal by stating Eugonio Monti received the first Pierre de Coubertin medal for sportsmanship followed by our "noblest honour" quote and "most precious hardware any Olympian can own"... 62.249.160.48 (talk) 18:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I hope this will help all in a better way to undestand about the fair play award 2.87.87.76 (talk) 21:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: This page is causing global confusion by conflating two different awards, one for sportsmanship and one for support of the Olympic Movement

message: Google search results produce no article nor is the medal mentioned on his Wiki article.  KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Kissinger