Talk:Merlin (Albéniz)

message: The referencing in this article doesn't follow the usual citation style. In particular there are direct links to external sites. Can this be corrected please? --Kleinzach 23:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What is "unorthodox" about parenthetical referencing, which is one of the five "usual citation styles" recommended in the guidelines as Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How_to_present_citations? The external linkings can easily be removed, but what is the purpose of this? Many Wikipedia articles use such links for the convenience of the reader, though simple external links embedded in the text in place of proper references are discouraged.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Déjà vu. There are several thousand articles on opera (2,300 according to The opera corpus) and they all follow the usual, normal citation style. Of course if you feel strongly about this and want to change all the 2,000 odd articles you are welcome to raise the issue with the Opera Project and make a proposal. Regarding external links, we make a dedicated section for them at the foot of the page. The main body text only has Wikipedia links to avoid confusing the readers. --Kleinzach 00:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Does the Opera Project have the authority to override Wikipedia policies and guidelines? As it happens, you are not quite correct about all opera articles following this particular reference format (though I suppose it is possible that nonconforming articles are automatically and arbitrarily removed from the opera corpus list).—Jerome Kohl (talk) 05:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The editors at the Opera Project are the ones who are working on the referencing of opera articles. So it makes sense to cooperate with them rather making a series of one-man, random attacks against usual practice, which waste your time as much as that of other editors. Why not give it a try? Have a talk to another opera editor. --Kleinzach 06:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

text: It appears that these editors are not the only ones working on referencing of opera articles and, as it happens, opera articles and articles on composers of operas overlap with other subject areas and other WikiProjects, which may have different preferences to those of the OP. Since I was invited in no uncertain terms (by your good self) to keep my nose out of the OP and the canonical list, I think you might understand why I feel decidedly unwelcome in your group, and prefer to work within the ones to which I do belong and where my work is appreciated.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Oh, and while we are about it, is your objection to external linking in the present article restricted solely to the inline references, or does it extend to the full listings in the bibliography as well? If the former, the linking stems from the fact that one of the refs was in origin a bare external link stuck in the middle of the text. I do find such links annoying (especially because linkrot so easily renders them useless), and can easily see why others might also find them so. I do not on the other hand see the point in removing such links from the list of References, particulary for sources that exist only on the web.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unorthodox referencing and in text links to external sites

message: Quote: Albeniz is best known for his piano works, and especially for the collection Iberia, 12 piano suites of technical infusing Spanish folk idioms with his hero Franz Liszt.
What do the highlighted words actually mean? For starters, it wasn't 12 suites, but a suite of 12 pieces.  But as for this "technical infusing Spanish folk idioms with his hero Franz Liszt" - I can't make head or tail of it.  Anyone?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  07:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wondered about that - and its relevance. I assume that the idea is that the piano music is influenced by Liszt. Delete? --Kleinzach 09:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think so, Kleinzach.  Every time I read it, I get mental images of something culinary being done with the remains of Franz Liszt, and that ain't a good image to have. --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  09:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Liszt reference