Talk:Indonesian philosophy

message: The article seems to be using a shifting and very broad notion of philosophy.  Sometimes it's the academic discipline (as discussed in Philosophy), sometimes it includes a general world-view or set of cultural beliefs and practices, sometimes it includes theology... and the division into schools is similarly confusing.  --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 14:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As an academic discipline, Indonesian philosophy is brand new. But, as a tradition, Indonesian philosophy includes worldviews, set of beliefs, religious speculations. I can show you Mel that your Western philosophy is not distinctive and not original too, if you really exaggerate that Indonesian philosophy is not distinctive and original. I just wonder how in this hybrid cultural interaction we can talk about the originality or authenticity of philosophy. Plato learned philosophy from Egypt, Mao Tse Tung learned from Lenin and Stalin, Nietzsche learned Buddhism, so I think it is no wonder Indonesians learn from you Westerners. No originality? Three of you Westerners read Plato's Phaedo. Each of you cannot reach similar conclusion. Why? Everybody has different understanding and with this difference, you can conclude differently in the form of different understanding, different philosophies. That had been done by Averroes, Avicenna, Thomas Aquinas, Albertus Magnus, when they read Plato's and Aristotle's works FHidayat 04:25, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Don't worry, Mel. I am taking your comments into my full consideration. In near future, i'll add some words in introductory part to explain the term 'philosophy' i operate. Thx a lot. FHidayat 04:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article as it stands (15 ix 05) 

message: I have finished this article by citing references. Please comment and check. If you think it is satisfying, please set it free from 'verifying' note. Thanks. FHidayat 04:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have cited references 

message: Perhaps someone can verify the information on Francis Xavier. First, he was not a Portuguese but a Spaniard. Well actually he was a Basque :-) But did he translate (portions of) the Bible into Malay? I doubt that. It must have been someone else. Meursault2004 11:12, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the criticism, Revo. I've read some on-line articles and they made me sure that Francis Xavier was a Spaniard. He was associated as a Portuguese because the Portuguese King John III sent him to Portuguese colonies in the East Indies. FHidayat 03:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Francis Xavier

message: As other editors have mentioned, this article does not deal with philosophy as such, but more with ethnic, religious, and political issues in Indonesia.  Therefore, it should be renamed to a more appropriate title, or perhaps merged with Indonesia.  -- noosphere 09:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the peculiar characteristic of Indonesian philosophy which needs explaining. Philosophy in Indonesia has been considered as included in the larger entity called Adat or Kebudayaan and budaya. It hasn't been separated yet as happened in the history of Western philosophy. To indigenous Indonesians, reality is one; politics, religion, philosophy and spirituality are different aspects of the single reality. FHidayat 12:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading title 

message: Some cleanup is strill needed by someone with good knowledge of the material would help - whether the eds of 2 - 3 years ago are still around - who knows - probably moved on SatuSuro 13:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit and re-read