Talk:The Invasion of Time

message: Picture = Spoiler
Is it really a good idea to have a picture of the Sontarans in the article? For a large part of the serial, the viewers don't know yet who the invaders are and are left wondering. --Mithcoriel (talk) 22:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this, I came here starting episode 4 and it just ruined it for me. Nemmex 03:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

text: What about Katarina and Sara Kingdom? (AndrewAnorak (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (Though it remains questionable whether Sara Kingdom counts as a companion).  By the way, I recall this as one of the weakest Dr. Who stories ever - clearly written in a rush. -- Beardo (talk) 00:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

message: Redrose,
in re: your recent edits to Invasion of Time, specifically to the question of original research to the line "The closing credits of episodes three, four, and six feature the return of the section of Doctor Who theme commonly called the "Middle Eight", this sequence not having been heard since the Early Jon Pertwee era."
I've split your single reversion to two edits, one for the Middle Eight reference, and the other to the claim that the sequence has not been heard since the Pertwee era.
The reason I did this is because I don't really know what part you are objecting to.  The first?  The last?  Both?
Based on your comment, I think (and I can be wrong) that you want a citation that the section of the Doctor Who theme is actually called the Middle Eight.  One is not really needed since even Wiki makes the definition.  You are essentially asking for a citation for common knowledge.  However, Wiki does have a guideline to citing even wiki as a source, but to me it is rather complicated to cite the page, date, etc.  I was never very good at doing that.  If this type of citation is what you are looking for, you can add it yourself, or I can try and sweat it out and add it.
If you are objecting to the latter part, that the sequence has not been heard since the Jon Pertwee era, that does not qualify as Original Research under wiki guidelines, though I linked the wrong part of the Wiki article in the notes.  It's Wikipedia:No original research, more toward the top than what the other link jumps to.  For example, Episode six of Invasion of Time has an extended closing title sequence.  A source is not needed for that, because it is there for all to see and very easily.  Likewise, the claim that the Middle Eight (or extended closing sequence if you are so inclined) is only used 4 times since the Petweee era until the Howell theme does not need a citation because it is there for all to see.
Let me give you another example that may be more helpful.  Season 3 of the Original Star Trek had blue credits, as opposed to seasons 1 and 2 which had yellow credits.  (I think they were yellow. I am colour blind.)  That would not be considered original research under wiki guidlines.  That would be not considered original research. It is there for the world to see.  Or even the plot to Invasion of Time.  It says in the final paragraph, "Leela decides to stay on Gallifrey because she has fallen in love with Commander Andred".  Yet no citation.  Not original research.  Anyone with a television or YouTube access can see that.
By Wikipedia's standard, Original Research is "used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.".  In this case, the episodes themselves are their own sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.239.236.122 (talk) 03:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't doubt that these particular episodes have extended closing credits, and variant theme music. But Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Pointing out differences in the theme music, and when certain versions were last used, is trivia (even fancruft) which if it is to stay must be referenced to a reliable third-party source. You also need to source that this variant of the closing theme is commonly called the "Middle Eight" version. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variant theme music 

message: I would just like to point out that Episode 3 of this serial seems a bit like what happened to Caligula and if it weren't for the guards that killed the 'traitors' it would've ended the same way for him, too. Nemmex (talk) 03:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Caligula