Talk:Bulk carrier

message: The old handymax is now called a supramax and should be updated by the articles author. Thanks.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.177.44.230 (talk) 22:15, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
On the same note, perhaps the size classification could do with being updated.  80 - 90,000 dwt shoud be 'Kamsarmax', 90 - 100,000 dwt 'post-panamax', and 100 - 130,000 'baby cape'.  These terms used in chartering circles at least. Brylaw (talk) 13:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supramax 

message: I think this section could do with some tidying, geared bulkers are generally smaller ships (usually handy or supramax) there are some geared panamaxes (70 or so) but nothing I know of bigger than that.  Also geared ships are self dischargers so the self discharger section is unecessary.  Cranes, derricks, conveyor belts etc are all gear.Brylaw (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Types 

message: The prices for panamaxes and capesizes have now more than doubled since 2004 wich is cited in the article. I propose pricing a new capesize at 160 millions and a new panamax at 90 millions. Supramaxes in the 70s and handysizes 50s and below regarding various sizes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.44.114 (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to change prices, that's fine.  But doing so without changing the citations causes a serious problem.  The current prices, as stated in the footnotes, are from UNCTAD in 2006, pages 41 and 42.  HausTalk 22:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prices 

message: Hello there just a small point slightly off topic.  The photo used for the combination carrier actually shows a pure bulk carrier, a combi carrier will have tanker like arms for loading/discharging wet cargoes Brylaw (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, shipmate.  I updated the photo accordingly. HausTalk 15:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Combination carrier photo

message: in the types section (and presumably throughout the article), the phrase bulk carriers is shortened to "bulkers".  I'm loath to edit something where there is obviously a known dialect (see "boomers" versus SSN's), but wouldn't "bulk carriers" be more appropriate throughout the article? Protonk (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point.  I went through a minute ago and counted 34 instances of "bulk carrier" and 84 of "bulker" in the article.  I think from a style standpoint, this is preferable to 118 instances of "bulk carrier," but am open to debate.  I can't imagine a book that would say "the term bulk carrier is preferable to bulker."  On the other hand, Lloyd List, Det Norske Veritas, and Clarkson's all see fit to mix the two terms, and they seem to be in the same ballpark on google.  Cheers. HausTalk 02:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vernacular 

message: Apart from the causes already listed, Brittle fracture once was (and in rare cases, still is) a prime cause for failures of large ships in cold waters, bulk carriers included.  Here is one (kinda academic) analysis of brittle fracture in bulk carriers:
TRIS
Here, cached, is a web page version of a print run-down of brittle fracture on the Lake Carling:
Google cache
here is canada's NTSB report for the Lake Carling:
Canada NTSB
Sort of a generalist rundown of ship losses due possibly to brittle fracture, cached"
 more google cache
Historically, of course, that was why the Edmund Fitzgerald went down.  I think the relative number of bulk carriers (and ships as a whole) sunk due to brittle fracture has probably dropped considerably with good computer modeling and process control for selecting steel, but there might be room for it in the article.  Also, some of the failures due strictly to brittle fracture (and not cyclic stress, etc) are probably causes specifically by the shocks and stresses from waves as is already mentioned in the article.  So I'll leave inclusion or exclusion to the experts. Protonk (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The cause of Edmund Fitzgerald sinking is still not understood. Rmhermen (talk) 00:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes of structural failure 

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article is generally very good, although the prose could use a brush up and the "See also" section seems to be an arbitrary list of shipwrecks. Bulk Carrier shipwrecks might do better to be listed properly on a seperate page rather than partially here. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Jackyd101 (talk) 00:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps

message: There's a map, captioned "Bulk carriers by flag state", but the image is actually "Oil-tankers-map-with-top-10.svg", listing oil tankers. There used to be "Bulkers-flag-state-map-with-top-10.svg", but it was deleted ‎("Universally replaced by Image:Oil-tankers-map-with-top-10.svg. Reason was "Was in category "Duplicate", exact duplicate""). What's wrong? Muad (talk) 22:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The map is correct now: :File:Bulkers-flag-state-map-with-top-10.svg . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs)  18:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Why isn't this article featured? It has several pictures and cited sources, a clear animation (most FA's don't have that), and adequate amount of information (not too much, not too little). History section could be expanded a bit though, but other than that, it seems fitting. Colonel Marksman (talk) 10:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see comments on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bulk carrier/archive1. From my point of view, it's mostly people noticing errors and willing to take more time to point them out rather than fixing them. Sad. If you have any more sources on the History part, I'll take them happily. I wrote the original article in French (FA) and used everything I could find... le Korrigan →bla 17:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured?

message: I propose merging and redirecting "Very large ore carrier" here. The additional information in that article fits well under the "size categories" section, like VLCC and ULCC in the article about oil tankers. Tupsumato (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the article I agree it could be merged. AIRcorn (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Can someone explain this:
::"This strategy gave an interesting advantage to carriers of bauxite and similar fuel cargoes".
Bauxite is not a fuel, so why does a coal burning ship have an advantage carrying bauxite?
If no one can explain it, I'll delete it. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs)  18:16, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bauxite Fuel? 

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