Talk:Nashville sit-ins

message: Here's the obvious stuff from Google:    
Here's a more deatiled article from the Nashville Globe and Independent: 
The only one that I've actually used as a reference so far is the first one. Kaldari 02:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some web references 

message: Although many sources say that the non-violence workshops started in 1959, the first one was actually held in March 1958. They were not held regularly, however, until 1959. Here are some sources for reference:
Harding: When did you start organizing these workshops in Nashville?
Lawson: Glenn Smiley and I did a workshop sometime in the early Spring of 1958 for the Nashville Christian Leadership Council...
- Excerpts from an Interview with Jim Lawson
On March 26-28, 1958, NCLC members held a workshop on nonviolent tactics against segregation.
- Nashville Sit-ins (1959-1961)
Kaldari 02:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of first workshop 

message: It seems almost an equal number of sources use "Conference" as use "Council". The Tennessean uses both. Tennessee State University uses both. The Nashville Scene uses "Conference". The Nashville Public Library uses "Council". Google favors "Conference" over "Council"  (148 hits vs 88 hits). However, primary sources such as James Lawson and the First Baptist Church, Capitol Hill use "Council". Kaldari 03:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nashville Christian Leadership Conference or Council? 

message: "Diane Nash then asked the mayor if he believed that lunch counters in the city should be desegregated. West answered, "Yes", then added, "That's up to the store managers, of course.""
I just watched a 1960 interview with Diane Nash on PBS, and she says she also asked him if he believed it was right to "discriminate against another person based solely on their race or skin colour" and he replied in the negative. Another contemporary interview with the mayor showed him reaffirming his answer as a moral decision that he would make again.
After reading this article (with no other sources) I'd probably paint mayor West as one of the bad guys, which he may not have been.  I'll leave page edits to people with more knowledge on the subject though.
The video is at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eyesontheprize/story/04_nonviolence.html#video
:It's definitely an interesting issue. Ben West clearly agreed that segregation was morally wrong, but he seemed quite reluctant to do anything about it legally. Whether or not this made him a "bad guy" is rather subjective. C. T. Vivian, for example, was extremely critical of the mayor's lack of leadership on race issues. In the end, most historians credit the boycott and behind-the-scenes negotiations between the merchants and student leaders as the deciding factors in ending segregation in Nashville, although I'm sure Ben West's moral support had some influence. Please feel free to add more information to the article about Ben West's role in the story. The article right now is far from comprehensive. Kaldari 07:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a sentence about the interaction you mentioned to the paragraph to add more context to his later response. Kaldari (talk) 07:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: After the bombing

message: *Moon McGrath Drug Store - 323 Union St.
*Trailways Bus Center - 113 6th Ave. N.
*Greyhound - 517 Commerce (6th Ave. N. and Commerce)
*Cain-Sloan - either 209 5th Ave. N. or 100 block of 5th Ave.
*W. T. Grant - 215 5th Ave. N.
*Woolworths - 221 5th Ave. N.
*McLellans - 231 5th Ave. N.
*Harveys - 6th Ave. N. and Church
*Walgreens - 224 5th Ave. N.
Kaldari (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sit-in locations 

message: If you are interested in participating, please chime in at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Nonviolence. Kingturtle (talk) 12:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonviolent project 

message: Currently, the full-scale demonstrations section includes the statement: "Although similar demonstrations had occurred previously in other cities, most notably in Oklahoma City in 1958..."
According to my sources, sit-ins were held in 15 U.S. cities prior to the Greensboro sit-ins, the earliest being in 1957. I haven't seen any mention of the Oklahoma City sit-in in particular. Is there a reason that we're characterizing the Oklahoma City sit-in as the "most notable"? Is there any source we can cite for that? Kaldari (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the reference for now. Kaldari (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oklahoma City 

message: I reviewed the citation formats used in the article and have some comments.
* Common Wikipedia style is to use title case for book and journal titles, and to use sentence case for titles of individual articles or lesser works (even if title case was used in the original). This style is sometimes used in the article now, but often title case is used when sentence case should be (notably, for Sumner's thesis: the thesis itself uses sentence case, and we should too). Another style (less often used, in my experience, but also common) is to use the case that the source itself uses; but either way, Sumner's thesis title should use sentence case.
**I was told by another editor during a GA nomination that the convention was to choose one case style and apply it consistently to all the refs, which is what I did here. I'm reluctant to switch to an entirely new case convention without seeing some kind of guidelines on the matter. Kaldari (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation issues 

message: This is paraphrased from Hampton, Henry; Fayer, S. (1990). Voices of Freedom: An Oral History of the Civil Rights Movement from the 1950s through the 1980s. Bantam Books. 
I used this book as a source for Birmingham campaign, where the children involved in that protest were trained with the same methods used for the Nashville sit-ins.
Chapter 4 range is p. 53 - 71. Will take me several sessions to summarize all this.  
p. 53 Chapter 4 starts with a brief overview of previous sit-ins by CORE in Chicago 1943, in St. Louis and Baltimore in 1949 and 1953 and more than a dozen Southern cities in the late 1950s with little to no media reaction. CORE, NAACP, and SCLC began training young people to participate, including sessions in Nashville which was considered fairly moderate because its public and private schools were integrated, blacks were represented on the School Board, city council, and the police force. However, libraries, hotels, theaters, and restaurants maintained their segregation policies. A report at the time stated "In downtown Nashville Negroes have no adequate facilities for eating. Welcomed as customers for merchandise, they are refused service as customers for food."
:Any chance you could find out the title of the report? Kaldari (talk) 19:02, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the book does not say. --Moni3 (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's too bad. It would have been a great quote to use in the article. Kaldari (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The ending of the Lawson quote doesn't make sense. Are you sure you copied it correctly? Kaldari (talk) 19:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it is perhaps unclear what "it" references. The pararaph starts: "Why use nonviolence? The most practical reason is that we're trying to create a more...."--Moni3 (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm curious if they state the number of people in the march. Sources I've seen vary from 2,000 to 4,000. (The 2,000 source is the Nashville Banner which was strongly pro-segregation, so I don't give it much weight.) Kaldari (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source: Voices of Freedom edited by Henry Hampton 

message: I think it is unencyclopedic to include a stock photo of a segregated business place in Lancaster, Ohio in 1938 in an article about a specific series of events that happened in Nashville, Tennessee in 1960.  The photo would be appropriate in an article about segregation in general, but it has no place in this article.  Mal7798 (talk) 12:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno. I'm not sure it has no place at all, but its inclusion certainly is debatable. Are you familiar with Wikipedia's strong image policy? There may not by anything to replace it, as in a photo taken in Nashville before 1960 representing segregation. --Moni3 (talk) 13:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock "segregation photo" in article of specific event 

message: A new book was just published devoted specifically to the Nashville Student Movement, The Nashville Way. I'm going to try to collect some quotations from it that might be useful for the article. Kaldari (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Nashville Way