Talk:Real person fiction

message: Okay, did some cleaning up on the article.  However, anyone who wants to add to the timeline, please bear in mind a few things:
* The format should stay as is, because it follows WP standard.  Do not just paste in whatever you C&P'ed from a blog entry.
* Keep it relevant. The opening of a new site is important to the timeline.  Someone starting an argument because X didn't like Y's fic on said list/community/archive/whatever is not.
* Don't advertise.  If it's a big site that's being added, fine; do not paste in something like "My new RPS site is here! ->".  That will get deleted.
This article is close to clean.  Let's keep it that way, shall we?--Mitsukai 20:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning 

message: I'm looking through and doing minor grammer fixes to the article. I just do grammer, but I do agree with keeping to the standard wiki formats. --Karpenl 21:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know, to be honest.  The original creator of the article had it listed there, and I saw no reason to doubt it, so I didn't bother removing it.  Since DD's initial growth was fueled by MTV, that is probably a factor.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are RPFs for other first-wave MTV artists as well (A Flock of Seagulls, Billy Joel, Joe Jackson, The Fixx, Journey, The Cars, etc.) --Mitsukai 13:41, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammer 

message: In regards to 
* 1980s - numerous Duran Duran and other bandfic authors began to write in isolation, spurred by MTV
Is there any evidence for this?  All I have seen and heard of during the 1980s is Duran Duran.  What other bands is there support of this material existing and the connection to MTV?
--PurplePopple 23:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know, to be honest.  The original creator of the article had it listed there, and I saw no reason to doubt it, so I didn't bother removing it.  Since DD's initial growth was fueled by MTV, that is probably a factor.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are RPFs for other first-wave MTV artists as well (A Flock of Seagulls, Billy Joel, Joe Jackson, The Fixx, Journey, The Cars, etc.) --Mitsukai 13:41, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline Question

message: Anyone have any non-Slash links that can be placed onto the external references?  For that matter, anything not from LJ?  It's startin g to look a little biased, and it needs to be cleaned up soonest.--Mitsukai 13:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know of a site (LJ or other) that lists RPF communities (LJ or other)?  I think it would be better to have a single link to a guide site than to have an ever-growing list of individual fandoms.  — Catherine\talk 15:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: 25 October - A LiveJournal community, Bam/Ryan OTP, dedicated to the pairing of Bam Margera and Ryan Dunn is created.
Why exactly is this bit relevant? Is there a major kerfluffle related to this comm, or anything other than just 'Hey, another RPS comm was made on lj at this date'? Because if the latter, the article could very quickly turn into just a long list of 'and on date X, Albion_fic was created, and then Stokesslash, and then OMGLanceAndChrisAreTheOTP'...
El Juno 02:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: There are sixteen external links. I'm sure some--if not most--of them are unrequired and can be removed. After all, Wikipedia is not a web directory. Judetlk 04:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and cleaned up the external links. Jude(talk,contribs) 02:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External references/links 

message: This article doesn't cite sources (which isn't too bad when dealing with a topic like this that may not have many articles to cite) but it also makes some conclusions about patterns within the community, still without any evidence.  Things like "A very common reaction among newcomers to an RPF community is "I thought I was the only one who wrote stories like this!"" are entirely unverifiable.  Someone needs to find articles written elsewhere on the topic and cite them, reporting their conclusions, rather than reporting original ones. Night Gyr 15:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: I think this should stay in.
Why I can't talk for Franz Ferdinand, I was personally prestent at two accounts with Apocalyptica, and got to withness quotes such as "Oh, Eicca and Perttu, sure they will meet you too, but they are still in the shower being gay to each other" Tyyan 03:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Franz Ferdinand & Apocalyptica 

message: Gramatically, shouldn't this be Real-person fiction, or does it have common use that overrides grammar? Ace of Sevens 05:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: Do movies that feature fictional treatments of real people fall into this category?  Beyond the obvious points of any historical fiction that uses historical people in a significant capacity and Saturday Night Live skits, you have recent movies such as Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, Adaptation., Stuck on You, Being John Malkovich, The Last Action Hero, Return to the Batcave: The Misadventures of Adam and Burt (and numerous other things with Adam West), Wes Craven's New Nightmare and Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle.  These are made with the consent and coooperation of the people portrayed, but still fit the basic criteria.  Would it be too original-researchy to mention this? Ace of Sevens 05:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I just read a blog entry where the recent drama, "Death of a President", which deals with George Bush, being referred to as RPF. I think this stuff is RPF. Generalhoneypot 03:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always been of the opinion that historical fiction like Mary Renault's Alexander stories should count. --Bluejay Young 17:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Professional real-person fiction

message: Timelines tend to just make an article longer and most people who read this article are not going to care when something happened, other than firsts. When an RPF site on LoTR actors went on line wouldn't count as much as, say, the first RPF site ever to go online, or the first book written about the history of RPF or something. I vote to scrap the timeline or drastically condense it. The article also still needs more references. --Bluejay Young 17:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup. Timeline necessary?

message: This citation is too vague to be of any use. I've no idea whether the site is a reliable source, but even if so there needs to be a specific link to the survey in question - and if it's no longer available, then it fails WP:V anyway! Loganberry (Talk) 11:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Based on a survey from FanDomination.net" 

message: "In the early 1920s, Seigneur Books published the series 'Fatty Arbuckle and the Time Pirates.' Inspired by the actor’s career-ending scandal, the novellas depicted a time-traveling Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle forcibly raping famous historical figures."
I find no evidence whatsoever that this series, or "Seigneur Books," ever existed. I doubt very much that such a series could have been "published" in any but an extremely underground way in the 1920s. I suspect this entire paragraph is someone's prank.
Pnh (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fatty Arbuckle and the Time Pirates"

message: Does the object of real person fiction have to still be alive to count? Otherwise, a lot of historical fiction would count as real person fiction. Or is historical fiction a subset of real person fiction?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmonkman (talk • contribs) 21:15, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does real person fiction differ from historical fiction? 

message: It’s ridiculous to cite a teen vogue article and call Shakespeare RPF. What’s the difference between RPF and historical fiction then? 2603:6010:11F0:3C0:9C91:9750:853D:2CB0 (talk) 13:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is obviously a provocative statement, the article does say that Shakespeare's histories are "sometimes considered" RPF. I believe the point is that the line between historical fiction and RPF is not always clean-cut. If you can find reliable sources arguing that Shakespeare's histories (or other examples of historical fiction) are not RPF, I do think that is a valuable perspective to add. LemonOrangeLime (talk) 02:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous