Talk:Nico

message: The Marble Index wasn't produced by John Cale, it was Frazier Mohawk. John Cale did the arrangements for the album. I have edited the section to display the correct information. - Corey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.226.191 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Production Credits

message: This article claims the following:
"The date and location of Nico's birth are disputed. Most sources state October 16, 1938, Cologne, Germany. However, at least two other sources have put her birth date at March 15, 1943, in Budapest, Hungary."
What are all of these sources? Do we have any links or bibliographies to verify them?--Pac 00:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth date/place

message: How do you pronounce her name? Like knee-co or nye-co or nick-o? Maybe the answer should be put in the article, because I cant figure out which one it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.138.32 (talk • contribs) at 18:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: For the last *censored* time, it wasn't a Jackson Browne COVER. Nico's recording was its first release. Indeed, Browne wrote it but FOR her. His version was released some years later on his sophomore album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.178.227 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: These Days

message: it is very intrusive, and takes over most of the window. is there no way of resizing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macca7174 (talk • contribs) at 12:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The main photo is too big

message: The 'Years Active' part on the infobox says til 2002. How could she have been active still if she is no longer alive >_< is there a good reason for the changes? surely it should say til 1988. Also, i wondered if it should start at 1965, to include her 'I'm Not Saying' single. - Vivisquallcloud 10:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Years Active

message: Am perplexed as to why the link to the most comprehensive and best maintained Nico site on the internet http://smironne.free.fr/NICO/
has been deleted while the link to a trite cartoon and autobiographical quotes from the artist who drew it has been kept http://prettyfakes.com/?p=220. I've always found the links section one of the best features of Wikipeida. When they're links to significant sites directly relevant to the subject of the article they can save a lot of time sorting through internet vanity press for further information. I'll be bold and restore the link which I think should stay unless someone has a legimate reason for its removal.
tobalwin 15:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got rid of both per WP:EL. --John 20:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why has this link been deleted? 

message: "Nico had a short-lived romantic relationship with the Velvet Underground's main singer and songwriter, Lou Reed, at this time, one of her several romances with prominent musicians including fellow Velvet John Cale, The Doors' icon Jim Morrison, Jackson Browne, Rolling Stones' founder Brian Jones, Tim Buckley and The Stooges' Iggy Pop." (all of whom were at least 3 years younger than her, sometimes up to 10 years younger, interestingly enough)
I wonder how much of this information can be attributed? I'd believe the Lou Reed/John Cale ones as I'm sure I've read about them elsewhere, but the rest?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 19:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The book "Nico: Life and Lies of an Icon" by Richard Witts [Virgin books 1993 234 pages] is currently the  most reliable reference source for Nico info. http://www.witts.me.uk/index.html Witts book sources as much as he can but the sixites were not a good time for fixed relationships or definite statements on such. However all the involvements mentioned appear to be confirmed by other people who were around at the time. Index references in Witts book; Jim Morrison 40+ ,Jackson Browne 12, Brian Jones 30+, Iggy Pop 5, Tim Buckley 2 tobalwin 08:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Her encounter with Jim Morrison is described in his biography, "No One Here Gets Out Alive." The documentary "Nico Icon" has footage of Nico onstage referring to Morrison as her "soul brother." This concern about her romantic relationships seems a little sexist and bourgeous, anyway. MarbleIndex01 15:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: She fairly liked her relationships with rock stars.

message: I beleive Nico worked with Jim Morrison on one of her albums.
'The End' I think.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.237.62 (talk) 10:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nico had a relationship with Morrison, but I don't think she ever really worked with him musically. At least not on any of her albums. As for The End, that album is dedicated to Morrison, who had overdosed 3 years earlier. - Face 17:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Morrison

message: In the mid-to-latter stages of her life, heroin took over her life completely and perhaps there should be more on that. Saying that she was a heroin addict is like saying the Cookie monster was somewhat fond of cookies. SteveRamone 09:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More on heroin addiction?

message: What about her penchant for being racist? I have heard in some places that she was very bigoted and even stabbed a black woman at one point for looking at her wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.137.34 (talk • contribs) at 16:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found an article that may refer to the incident mentioned above.  It appears she smashed a wine glass and stabbed a mixed-race singer in the face with it. The Guardian - [User:BalthCat]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.81.216 (talk) 02:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism

message: I have removed the following text from the article:
In an interview with Mary Harron for New Wave Rock, Nico explained why she was dropped from Island Records."I made a mistake. I said in Melody Maker to some interviewer that I didn't like Negroes. That's all. They took it personally . . . although it's a whole different race. I mean, Bob Marley doesn't resemble a negro, does he? . . . He's an archetype of Jamaican . . . but with features like white people. I don't like the features. They're so much like animals . . . it's cannibalism, no?" http://books.google.com/books?id=UKMBtint9LwC&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&ots=KMMP5_GL7F&sig=Voo4XhFsPbBTXcyzO5XCsNHUpPg
The source given appears to be a biography of Joe Strummer. Could someone who owns this book please take a look through and confirm that the above controversial statement attributed to Nico is actually quoted there in the correct context and if possible provide a page reference? Thanks. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the book is called "Rip It Up: The Black Experience in Rock 'N' Roll", and it's about dark-skinned people in the rock scene. Amazon says that it features "original interviews with Slash from Guns N' Roses, Little Richard, Lenny Kravitz, and others". Perhaps the person who added the section can scan the page containing the quote? Even if Nico said that however, I don't think a seperate section would be appropriate.On a related note, someone using a 87.160.*.* range keeps re-adding the section (in a poor way). See for example: 87.160.216.31, 87.160.204.121 and 87.160.199.211. Cheers, Face 14:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: If it's legit, I have no objections to it being re-added to the article. However, we do need to check that the statement, as written is actually present in the book(s) cited (either the 'Black Experience in Rock 'N' Roll' book, or the Strummer bio that someone had changed the link to). Just providing a link to the publication on Google Books or Amazon proves very little. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources, we do need to check this out further and be absolutely sure before it goes back in the article. It's far from unknown for people to insert outlandish claims into articles, backed up with a generic, difficult to verify reference as a deliberate attempt to push an agenda or simply to cause trouble. Whilst it's essential that WP must not contain libellous statements about living people, it's in no way acceptable to smear the reputation of the dead either. So, we need to find someone who owns the books and can check them out personally (as I said, a page ref. would be most useful - a scan too, per Face's comment). --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 15:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This 87.160.*.* anon appears to be persistent. He/She used 87.160.251.45 today to again add the loaded quote which is, at this moment, still not properly sourced. If this goes on, I'm gonna request a short semi-protection. Cheers, Face 11:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism section - potentially dubious. Additional verification is required... 

message: There's no mention here of her time in Manchester, where she often lived in squalor as a heroin addict. She was there for about 8 years in various places and she spent time in Salford, where The Smiths were based.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.28.142 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Was about to say the same thing. Nico was there for quite a while, often in a sorry state (though of course it could just have been the rain). IMO needs inclusion in article. 86.177.4.226 (talk) 20:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The John Cooper Clarke entry states that he had a relationship with Nico in the 1980s, presumably this is reliable enough to be included her as well? The Yowser (talk) 12:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her time in Manchester 

message: Can we please stop adding the questionably sourced statements about who she slept with, many of these people are still alive thus raising BLP issues.  It's not really needed in the article any way. Ridernyc (talk) 09:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life 

message: The intro paragraph states that Nico died as a result of injuries sustained from a bicycle fall and then the "Death" para goes on to say that she'd had a "minor heart attack." The former is somewhat misleading but the latter is completely incorrect.
The medical and witness evidence all point to the cerebral haemorrhage found on autopsy not being the result of trauma but was a stroke - and this caused her to fall from her bicycle. Despite her symptoms, Nico was apparently reluctant to accept the need for medical help: after first going to a local medical centre by taxi, she was eventually taken to Ibiza's main hospital but died that same evening soon after an emergency operation to relieve pressure on the brain caused by the bleeding.   
I shall edit the article accordingly as soon as I can get the refs together. Plutonium27 (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: Is there not a better picture of her available? The main picture is not very good.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.243.205 (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can provide a better photo, by all means add it - but it must be free to use by Wikipedia. The current photo was probably taken by a Wikipedia editor and donated to the site. For more information, see Wikipedia:Image use policy.Popcornduff (talk) 02:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Why does - only -  Allmusic.com  give the name "Christa Päffgen (Pavolsky)" ?
Jan Cremer mentions her as polish-german model. 
So I supposed her family fled from the east  -  but in fact they came from Köln ? 
'Nico was born Christa Päffgen in Cologne'
"moved with her mother and grandfather to the Spreewald forest outside of Berlin". Lübbenau
"In 1946, Nico and her mother relocated to downtown Berlin,"
 http://andygoss.net.au/views-reviews/nico-bios/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.170.88.56 (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Can someone PLEASE sort out the issue with the birth of the Nico name.  I have no idea if she was named by the Photographer after a guy he knew or after an ex-boyfriend of hers but I'm absolutely certain it was not after the filmmaker because all sources I can find state they were not in any kind of relationship until the 1960s145.8.180.207 (talk) 10:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: When Christa Became Nico

message: The Simon Reynolds article cited as a source states, We think of Nico as German, but although she spent much of her childhood in Germany, her parents were Spanish and Yugoslav. Is there any other source that states this? He seems to have fabricated it out of thin air.Sylvain1972 (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish/Yugoslav?! 

message: There are many, many sections that need citations. That makes no sense for me, the precise number of sections without citations still is and already was zero in September 2018. Why not simply add  for what you consider as un-sourced and dubious?  is slightly less helpful than a , the article has 49 references. –84.46.53.72 (talk) 12:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the unclear head note. –84.46.53.251 (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for not replying. I haven't gone on Wikipedia as much as I used to. I mean, if the number of refs is just right, perhaps the article just lacks inline citations. When I applied the note, I was still relatively new to the site. 100cellsman (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You can use this or a similar template also per section if you have issues with a section that should be obvious for others (example), but  etc. directly at an un-sourced statement (example) is better if it might be not obvious. Have fun: –84.46.53.251 (talk) 02:02, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  More citations needed 

message: I am concerned about the last 2 lines of the "Early life" section, which say that Nico claimed that she had been raped when she was 15. I have checked the original citation, a book by James Young, and find that Young was told this, not by Nico but by someone called "Dr Demetrius". This gossip cannot be regarded as a reliable secondary source and, considering the sensitivity of the subject, should not be in a Wiki article. A later book, by Richard Witts, says that he could find no evidence to support the claim, but this cannot be regarded as notable unless there is evidence that Nico herself made such an allegation in the first place. I think the 2 lines should be removed, but would welcome the views of other editors before doing so. RedKite (talk) 09:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , if your assessment of the sources is right then it sounds like we should remove it. Popcornfud (talk) 12:58, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged rape 

message: The Nico page currently includes a photograph purporting to be Nico, captioned as follows: "Nico performing with Andy Warhol's Exploding Plastic Inevitable in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1966". I am certain that this photo does not in fact depict Nico, but is actually Catherine James, who occasionally performed onstage with the Velvet Underground for their Exploding Plastic Inevitable shows. She was a model who hung out with the Factory clique for a while (as described in her book, "Dandelion; Memoir Of A Free Spirit"). The angle of the photograph obscures her face, which is probably why the error has been made.
Nico never wore dresses onstage with the Velvets, certainly not flowery patterns! She wore trouser suits. We can verify this was the case for the Ann Arbor show specifically, thanks to a news article covering the actual event: Velvet Underground Live at the Ann Arbor Film Festival, Detroit, Michigan, on the 12th of March 1966. The concert was reviewed by the Detroit Free Press on Tuesday 15 March 1966. The reviewer describes the show as, "a combination of film and live music and dance. While a beautiful blond girl sang, her image was projected on three separate 'screens,' including her own white jacket." The review is accessible online via Newspapers.com - https://www.newspapers.com/image/97864650/?terms=%22Festival%2C%2Band%2Bfilms%2Bby%2BWarhol%22
See also: https://dangerousminds.net/comments/amazing_mod_wedding_with_andy_warhol_the_velvet_underground_nico_1966?fbclid=IwAR0wCIQ03KWf2Pn3D2mH4n3hxeKciq0gC1_Ydb9PEa7xvAYRtmn-gJ2ZLsg
I recently edited the page to remove this misleading photograph, but it was reinstated on  19:37, 22 September 2020‎ by Wiki user Freshacconci. I would welcome any third party viewpoints to help resolve this dispute.
For additional reference, here are five photographs showing Nico's typical stage wear circa 1966:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9nPJJ3xLzCg/W24ToZnZ8JI/AAAAAAAAxBY/b7fdWF8XGswG-LA6dC7HqKTiP74IO9fzwCLcBGAs/s1600/The%2BVelvet%2BUnderground%2Band%2BNico%2Bplay%2BAction%2BDisco%2Bin%2BLong%2BIsland%252C%2BNew%2BYork%252C%2Bas%2Bpart%2Bof%2Bthe%2BExploding%2BPlastic%2BInevitable%252C%2B1966..jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fwxDlBKUlqw/W24ToNPmKyI/AAAAAAAAxBU/R7eNifdv9AYsA2IVkUFMuihlPX5INxCbACLcBGAs/s1600/The%2BVelvet%2BUnderground%2BEast%2BVillage%252C%2BNew%2BYork%2BApril%2B7%252C%2B1966.jpg
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEDHkFgOU0AI_yB1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdark_shark%2Fstatus%2F1166964567454257152&tbnid=LqHUUSsNrKF8XM&vet=10CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk..i&docid=huB50lRJ1f1_hM&w=940&h=852&itg=1&q=%22Velvet%20Underground%22%20Michigan&hl=en-GB&ved=0CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEDHkFgOU0AI_yB1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdark_shark%2Fstatus%2F1166964567454257152&tbnid=LqHUUSsNrKF8XM&vet=10CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk..i&docid=huB50lRJ1f1_hM&w=940&h=852&itg=1&q=%22Velvet%20Underground%22%20Michigan&hl=en-GB&ved=0CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk#imgrc=LqHUUSsNrKF8XM&imgdii=fwtzTHv8KpFcKM
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEDHkFgOU0AI_yB1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdark_shark%2Fstatus%2F1166964567454257152&tbnid=LqHUUSsNrKF8XM&vet=10CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk..i&docid=huB50lRJ1f1_hM&w=940&h=852&itg=1&q=%22Velvet%20Underground%22%20Michigan&hl=en-GB&ved=0CAUQxiAoBWoXChMIkJ-o2KLB7AIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAk#imgrc=fwtzTHv8KpFcKM&imgdii=j0mtBuEIkdlTnM  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvernon123 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect use of a photo purporting to be Nico 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Nico's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "icon":
From Suspiria (2018 film): 
From The Marble Index: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:36, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Nico]] 

message: okay who changed racism to "views on race"
did you do it just to ruin the meme
i know it was you dale
iRDM 04:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life, addiction, racism, death meme 

message: shouldn't this be mentioned?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.144.46 (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible bisexuality and affairs with Coco Chanel and Jeanne Moreau 

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