Talk:Member states of the United Nations/Archive 1

message: The member states of this list are supposed to transcend regimes. For example, according to the list, Afghanistan joined in 1946. However, the current Transitional Islamic State of Afghanistan was only formed in 2002. The date for "China's" membership is in 1945. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to use the title "People's Republic of China" as done in the last edit. The PRC joined in 1971, not 1945. In the eyes of the UN, the PRC replaced the ROC as the governing authority of China. It was a regime change, not a change of country.
Also, the statement that "all but one (Republic of China) are still members today" is inaccurate. Countries have changed their names. According to the list, the Democratic Republic of the Congo joined in 1960. But wasn't this regime and country established only in 1997? What about Zaire? Yugoslavia? Those countries have disappeared. Jiang 06:50 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
: The part about China's joining dates was pure a mistake. Not intentional. --Menchi 06:59 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::see []. Jiang 07:01 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Concerning the SAR,s I didnt realise it was talking about the period before 1971. Sorry for that. --Huaiwei 14:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: Since virtually all countries are members of the UN, why not make a map of non-members instead which would easily identify them? The Current map is visually useless except for Antarctica as a non-member being visible at a glance. --Kvasir 07:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree--Kurtle (talk) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: I removed:
:For the Saharawi people of Western Sahara and the Taiwanese of the Republic of China, there is no member state of the United Nations that represents them. Ostensibly, they are represented in all UN organs by Morocco and the People's Republic of China, respectively. With the admission of Switzerland in September of 2002, all free countries other than the Vatican have joined the United Nations General Assembly as member states.
I'm not entirely informed on the situation in Western Sahara (has there been any formal attempts at membership or has Morrocco claimed responsibility?), but the phrase "Taiwanese of the Republic of China" is already by itself silly. Saying that there's "no member state of the United Nations" to represent the Taiwanese is POV. The People's Republic of China claims to represent them, the ROC claims the PRC does not. This paragraph makes two POV contradictory statements (i.e., the Taiwanese are not represented v. the PRC represents them). It further asserts that the ROC is not "free". Western Sahara may need some mention here, but the rest is crap. --Jiang 02:55, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrepresented peoples 

message: While it is necessary to keep former members separate, I think notes pertaining to current members should be placed next to the listing rather than in a separate section--Jiang 14:14, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's difficult to have to cross-reference each entry in the list. If putting the text next to the entries will get in the way, then maybe try footnoting so that we would know whether an entry has an associated note in the first place. People have no idea whether a current country has a note in the section below when they read the list (if they are interested...). Yes, this would mean separating "Naming" and "Notes" from "Former Members"--Jiang 10:37, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed a lot - while keeping all the valuble info in and not overcrowding things or making people constantly jump about the page down to notes. Hope it looks alright to everyone--Kurtle (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Members, Names, and Notes 

message: Hey. I was not sure if yall noticed, but the Holy See was placed in the members category. Can I remove it, since it is a Pernament Observer? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:54, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: Why is East Timor alphabetised under Timor? The article specifically says that countries are alphabetised under the English name, and the English name for East Timor is East Timor. Timor (without the East part) is an island, containing both East Timor and a non-sovereign part of Indonesia. — JIP | Talk 11:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I, on the other hand, have never understood why the majority of people concerned on Wikipedia insist that "East Timor" be its English name. Timor-Leste is exactly the same kind of name that Côte d'Ivoire is - definitely non-English, but the country requested that its native name be used in all languages. —  ナイトスタリオン ㇳ–ㇰ — 09:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, depending on the point of view, it can either be named East Timor and alphabetised under East, or named Timor-Leste and alphabetised under Timor. The mixed situation I was talking about (named East Timor and alphabetised under Timor) is a blatant breach of the article's own rules. — JIP | Talk 09:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Timor 

message: The Human Development Index (HDI) is a standard UN measure/rank of how developed a country is or is not.  It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment.  However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.
Thus, the following question is put to a vote:
Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia country infobox/template:
:(1)  Human Development Index (HDI) for applicable countries, with year;
:(2)  Rank of country’s HDI;
:(3)  Category of country’s HDI (high, medium, or low)?
YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here
Thanks!
E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''[[Template_talk:Infobox_Country#VOTE.21.21_-_HDI_in_country_infobox.2Ftemplate.3F|VOTE!!]]''' - HDI in [[Wikipedia:List of infoboxes#Countries|country infobox]]/template? 

message: To label Taiwan as a region not represented in the UN is POV. According to the UN, Taiwan is represented through the People's Republic of China since it is part of China and China's sole representative at the UN is the PRC (per resolution 2758). Official UN publications label Taiwan as "Taiwan Province of China"   and has gone as far as telling NGOs to do the same . During the SARS epidemic, WHA officials were only allowed to set foot in Taiwan after gaining the permission of the PRC, and the ROC govt was effectively denied access to the WHA. While Resolution 2758 made no statement regarding the status of the Republic of China, the actions of the UN, such as denying the ROC membership or observership, are in effect treating it as illegitimate. 
It is the map that needs changing. --Jiang 06:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwan 

message: Ireland does not take its seat under the name "Republic of Ireland," see official UN site. Taking its seat under anything other than Ireland would violate Article 4 Bunreacht na hÉireann (Irish Constitution), which states: "The name of the state is Éire, or in the English language, Ireland." I am thus editing the article accordingly. Iolar Iontach 01:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ireland

message: On 20 July 2006 User:Koavf delinked most dates. As the United Nations uses British dates, I consider using unlinked American dates too American-centric. If there is no significant objection, I will switch all dates to linked British dates per WP:DATE.--Jusjih 04:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to do that. I've restored the links to the dates. This way, you can choose whatever date format you prefer to see in "my preferences". See Help:Preferences#Date_format and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates_and_numbers)#Dates. Chanheigeorge 06:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have nevertheless anglicized all dates in this article.--Jusjih 08:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN uses British date format 

message: Quoth the article:
Some international organizations, non-governmental organizations, or entities whose statehood/sovereignty has not been precisely defined, such as ...  the Palestinian National Authority (called simply "Palestine" in UN literature) ... have a similar observer status but not as "non-member states."''
If I'm remembering correctly, there was some sort of Palestinian representation at the UN before the PNA was created in the early '90s.  I imagine that it was the PLO that was the body sending representation then, at least, and the PLO and PNA are not the same thing -- Hamas, which currently runs the PNA legislature, is not part of the PLO, for instance.  Does anyone know precisely what body currently sends the Palestinian delegation to the UN?  Is it the PLO or the PNA or something else (perhaps the notional "State of Palestine"?) --Jfruh (talk) 21:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Palestinian National Authority is a United Nations General Assembly observer.--Jusjih 16:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's the PLO. See here  Chanheigeorge 01:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palestine delegation? 

message: Neither Czech Republic nor Slovakia is credited as an original member, which is correct, because back in 1945 there was only country: Czechoslovakia. On the other hand, why should Russia, Ukraine and Belarus be credited as original members while e.g. Estonia, Kazakhstan and Armenia are NOT? Back in 1945, there was only one USSR! We should therefore credit either all the USSR's successor states (as original members) or none. Jancikotuc 14:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The credit of original memberships is given by the UN not Wikipedia. See the UN's List of members for an explanation. FYI the UN allowed Ukraine and Belarus membership in 1945 even though they were part of the USSR as a balancing act of the western allies (France, UK, US) vs. the eastern ally (USSR) of WWII (Shocktm | Talk  | contribs.) 15:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechoslovakia vs. USSR 

message: Would anyone object to my formatting this list in a wikitable? -- PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 05:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convert to table? 

message: The dates in the table are formatted as a string: so when ordered it is not in date order, but alphanumeric. Will endeavour to correct this today, but might take a while. Dutpar (talk) 09:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates in table 

message: I have moved "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" to T in the alphabetical listing as per UN policy.  --Scotchorama (talk) 19:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're going to follow UN policy, then "Republic of Korea" is under R, "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is under D, and we should use official names for many other countries, like "United Republic of Tanzania" instead of "Tanzania". We should have some consistency of whether to follow it or not. On the other hand, I don't see why we have to definitely follow UN policy. This is not an official UN page. Chanheigeorge (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. We need consistency. I believe that if we use official UN names, we should list them under UN order ( and I'd be ready to change names/work on the order. Or else we should use Wikipedia names. In that case, it should read Republic of Macedonia. But we should consistently either use one or the other. If we use Wikipedia policy, we should change Timor Leste to East Timor per Wikipedia policy, etc... Since this page refers to a list of UN members, I would suggest UN names.--Scotchorama (talk) 20:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with using UN names is, of course, that it makes finding the countries more difficult. Not a lot people know that you have to find Tanzania under "U" and Macedonia under "T", making the list less useful to the common user. Chanheigeorge (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but otherwise what standard should we use to name and list? We should pick one standard and base the whole article on it. The list, as it stands, is unbelievably messy: Timor Leste or East Timor; DPRK or North Korea; Laos or Lao People's Democratic Republic; Côte d'Ivoire or Ivory Coast? There is no standard. The UN list has got legitimity for; Wikipedia has got practicality. But we cannot use both.--Scotchorama (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  A compromise I can think of is to use all official UN names, but sort them using common names, so Tanzania is still under "T" and Macedonia still under "M", so people can find the countries easier. And moreover, since the table is already sortable, a user can also sort them using official UN names if they want. Chanheigeorge (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good compromise. I'll update the list tomorrow and mention the order chosen. The article currently states "short-form English names", so I'll change it to "official United Nations-agreed name and listed alphabetically according to short-form English name". "Timor-Leste", for example, will be listed under E for "East Timor".--Scotchorama (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 

message: Taiwan is not a member of the UN.  It is not even a UN observer.  It should not be blue on the map.Readin (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The ROC is shaded because the UN considers it part of China. Chanheigeorge (talk) 19:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps needs to change to remove Taiwan 

message: Sorry about that I didn't realize that undo would delete all of the successive changes that were made by a user rather than the last one only; I'll have to be more judicious in the future. I did revert back one passage of sourced and relevant information re: Palestine because I can't see any reason to delete it and I can see a reason to keep it. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I've added citations to that section and moved some of the information to the footnotes. Chanheigeorge (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undo and apologies 

message: Germane point Kosovo is a state that has significant recognition and a unique history with the UN, so it seems like it should be mentioned. What is the objection? -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, it was kind of mentioned in the Yugoslavia section. Obviously we don't want every "de facto independent nation" to be specifically mentioned in the non-members section. Its case is also kind of different from Palestine or Western Sahara. Chanheigeorge (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The Republic of Kosovo is also not a member of the UN although UN peacekeeping forces are based in the country and since the Kosovo war the country has been put under UN authority until Kosovo declared independence.
I don't see what's the connection between being a "member of the UN" and "UN peacekeeping forces are based in the country". Chanheigeorge (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, Kosovo is (or was depending on your POV) a UN protectorate, as labelled in a variety of sources. --Kvasir (talk) 23:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Unique As you point out, Kosovo isn't just another Abkhazia; it has some recognition. I think that it is noteworthy that the UN is involved in the dispute (just like with Western Sahara or Palestine.) There is not an iron-clad relationship between the two, but it is simply something worth noting. Don't you agree? -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: True I didn't get that from the passage, but I can see how that could be inferred. Even if we agree that the text is not ideal, it's appropriate, correct? I suppose my greater point is not that the passage should stay as written as much as a reference to Kosovo is noteworthy as a non-member in part because of its international recognition and in part because of its history with UN involvement. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

text: There are a number of de-facto independent states that are not recognized in any official capacity by the UN (as either members or observers), most notably the Republic of China, which was a UN member until 1971 when its seat was taken by the People's Republic of China (see Seat of China), and Kosovo, which was put under UN administration in 1999 and declared independence in 2008. Chanheigeorge (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure that makes sense to me - although the first parenthetical coda doesn't need parenthesis in my estimation. I wouldn't want to delete the rest of the information about Palestine, Western Sahara, etc. Are you suggesting that? I think these are noteworthy additions. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraphs for Palestine and Western Sahara will still be there since they're different cases. Neither are de-facto independent states. Palestine is recognized as an observer, while Western Sahara is recognized by the UN as "disputed". Chanheigeorge (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo and reverts 

message: I removed the para about China/ROC and Kosovo once again, simply for the reason that their status is already covered in depth in three separate sections, and the para in question just repeats what has already been stated in those sections, adding nothing new. I won't repeat the removal if this text is reinstated, since there's no point starting an edit war over this, but I just feel the information is completely redundant. Asav (talk) 14:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Observers and non-members

message: Western Sahara is definitely different from Palestine. There is an international consensus about the statute of Palestine, I mean the General Assembly and the Security Council. Western Sahara is under dispute between the kingdom of Morocco and the Polisario front, a separatist faction claiming independence.
Palestine is a decolonization process. Western Sahara was a decolonization process in the sixtee's and the seventee's when the Spanish was occupying the region and the kingdom of Morocco was claiming it at the UN level. Then after the establishment of the Polisario front, it became a separatism issue facing the unionist and the separatist sahraouis. Western Sahara has been declared as a non-self-governing territory since the sixtee's longer before the establishment of the Polisario front (1973) and SADR (1976). Actually, the kingdom of Morocco is administrating the region according to a previous UN resolution. After the end of war (1979-1991) corresponding to the end of the Soviet Union block, the UN established a ceasefire maintained by the MINURSO in a buffer zone from the Berm held to protect unionist sahraouis from polisario attacks to the algerian borders.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.206.255.160 (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing in this article that says the cases for Palestine and Western Sahara are the same. Their different status within the UN are carefully pointed out. For example, the article clearly says that Palestine is an observer while the SADR is not. Chanheigeorge (talk) 02:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Sahara case 

message: I see that the map has been disputed because Taiwan is not a member. I think that it would be prudent to change the map back to when Taiwan was coloured grey. The UN has not passed a resolution recognising Taiwan as a part of China. Comments from UN officials to that effect are just that - comments. Only a UN resolution passed by the correct body can decide on a matter like this.
Therefore I would appreciate it if someone could sort the map out. Cheers, John Smith's (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The island of Taiwan is blue on the map not because the Republic of China is a member of the UN, but because it is the UN position that the PRC represents all of China, including Taiwan. Tibet is blue for the same reason. --dab (𒁳) 12:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Taiwan is not part of China. The PRC has no power over Taiwan, unlike Tibet. Tibet only has the Dalai Lama and Taiwan has our own president, government, economic system, etc. We don't even write the same kind of characters. Taiwan is NOT part of the PRC. JJTsai (talk) 04:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN map and Taiwan 

message: I appreciate the convenience of using , but in the case of this list, naming the states by their full official name is rather crucial. I'll try to migrate the list to such a format. --dab (𒁳) 10:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The list uses the official names used by the UN. I don't see the need for full official names, not even the UN publish them, as far as I know. Chanheigeorge (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The "official UN name" is the official designation used by the UN to refer to each member (see here ). Most of them are just short names while a few prefer a more official name. For the real official names we can just look at List of sovereign states. Using the real official names is an overkill for a problem that does not exist as I do not know of any rival states and governments (even the ROC does not effectively claim to represent China nowadays). Chanheigeorge (talk) 16:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|flag}} and official names

message: OLD format put too many notes OUTSIDE the table - rendering the notes section of the table bacically pointless.
Obviously neatness is prefered on WikipEdia over it's usability - I know I hate having to scroll up and down the page to find a simple note... --Kurtle (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New format puts too many notes in table?

message: AFAIK there are member states that do not pay their UN fees and thus they do not vote in the GA. Does somebody have such list (the list here is from 2008)? Alinor (talk) 12:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  vote suspended members 

message: There is a discussion at the Naming Conventions (geographic names) project page on the use of UN names in article titles that may interest editors of this and related articles. The discussion was instigated by myself as a possible route to standardising the approach to the names of articles of nation-states in Wikipedia. I would be very interested to have more views on the subject from those who are familiar with the detail of UN naming conventions, UN-related articles, etc. Thanks. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about using UN Member States names as article titles 

message: So the map gives Antarctica, Western Sahara, the Vatican and the 'Palestinian territories' as non-member geographical regions.  But the text gives the Cook Islands and Niue as non-member states as well.  So what gives?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.197.211 (talk) 00:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They're in a complex relationship with New Zealand, somewhere between a dependency and a sovereign state. Thus the map probably colours it as it colours dependencies. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Member States 

message: There is an inaccuracy in the list of Member States...It says that the list is the list of member states using the "official designations" used by the UN. However, when it comes to the People's Republic of China, the official UN designation, which is simply "China" is not used. I have recitified this. Interestingly, China appears to be the only case where this discrepancy and the other long form designations used by the UN are used, i.e.:
Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Iran (Islamic Republic of)
Lao People’s Democratic Republic
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
Micronesia (Federated States of)
Republic of Korea
Republic of Moldova
Russian Federation*
Syrian Arab Republic
It is odd that the China entry is wrong but I will fix it. 84.203.76.88 (talk) 19:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Good point! The article goes to great length to explain that, but I've managed to miss it. I have amended the  template slightly, so that it doesn't call "China", but rather the "People's Republic of China" and the name that is displayed is "China". Really, since there are two Chinese states,  shouldn't "prefer" one over the other and the field should simply never use just "China." —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Official UN Designations for Member States

message: This map must be updated to include South Sudan as unrecognized, then changed again if it is accepted into the UN in a number of days. --Silv the Something (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding South Sudan 

message: I don't think I'm allowed to revert this, but the page explicitly says that we use the official designations of countries at the United Nations. In Libya's case the official name is still "Libyan Arab Jamahiriya". 
I'm guessing this will change in September, but until it does we should leave Libya's entry as is. Orange Tuesday (talk) 22:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libya 

message: Palestine There are several resources regarding the Palestinian statehood bid and international reaction (specifically, US intransigence.) E.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/20/palestine-towards-an-independent-state , http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/sep/20/palestinain-state-israel-un-interactive , http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/20/palestinians-recognised-two-thirds-globe , http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14946179 , http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/14/palestinians-pressure-united-nations-statehood , http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2091317,00.html , http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDGkwlB2p6ypQ5iicov7nAerW3yg?docId=CNG.37f490980793ed822010b69c4858a6ab.311 , etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't they really go in the Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations article?- J.Logan`t: 11:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly This article doesn't call for detailed analysis, but the fact that this is happening, is popular worldwide, and has received some friction from the U.S. all merits a mention in my estimation (as well as the outcome, of course--we'll see what happens over the next few days and weeks.) You're right that not all of these sources and their insights are necessary or appropriate, but it would probably be worthwhile to expand this section into a sub-sub-heading. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very contemporary though, if it fails it wouldn't be noteworthy - beyond maybe a single sentence. Whereas if it passes, it will just be added to the list of former observers. The process of voting on it is not notable here.- J.Logan`t: 03:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update tag 

message: I have just now undone an edit listing some countries with limited recognition by name - this is made clear in the lead section, there are such countries, they are not members of the UN, and the list is linked to. Hence, there is no need to clutter this article with listing them here as well. I'm only writing this here because it was too much to write in an edit summary. --... there's more than what can be linked. 15:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  States with limited recognition 

message: Supposedly, Ras al-Khaimah joined the United Arab Emirates 1972.02.11., which is a bit after they became UN members on 1971.12.09. I say supposedly, because I have just read so at History of the United Arab Emirates, and the exact date was at Ras al-Khaimah, but the sources of both articles are, well, maybe not exactly rubbish, but... In any way, I couldn't find the info using Google. So I thought I might as well let this be known here. If anybody is going to do something about this - good hunting! --... there's more than what can be linked. 15:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ras al Khaimah 

message: "Original members are listed with blue background and in bold." - why both ? would one be enough?85.195.69.112 (talk) 17:15, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess no-one really ever thought about it... I personally would agree to losing the bold font. --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) = ? 20:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As per WP:COLOUR: "Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information".  There is no harm in keeping the bolding, and it helps the visually impaired so I don't see a need to remove it.  TDL (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but even if someone is colourblind, the blue is still a different shade than the white, viewed in black-and-white. So I don't see a problem in removing the bolding, but again, it is a matter of low importance, I think.--\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) = ? 10:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Or we could remove the blue and leave the bolding, but I personally would prefer the other version. --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) = ? 13:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember in the List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe I was informed I should add an asterix to each EU state in addition to it just having a blue background. I reckon it's for those with some sort of browser technology that won't show colour or something. If we remove bolding or blue, remove bolding, but perhaps keep both just in case. CMD (talk) 23:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, perhaps the best solution is to eliminate the bolding but add a footnote to the original members so that those using a screen reader can better access this information.  TDL (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  double trouble? members list 

message: Could this section possibly be auto-hidden? It's quite bulky, and since it's merely a collection of notes, I recommend either hiding it in a table or moving it to the bottom of the page. Thoughts? 2602:304:AF05:D9D9:C5D6:9E05:1A14:89F9 (talk) 19:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on member names, name changes, etc. 

message: the Federal Republic IS a member NOT a former member - so why does the article call it a former member - that is factually untrue!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.252.102 (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even bother to read the section? It states that "the Federal Republic of Germany continued being a member of the UN while the German Democratic Republic ceased to exist." - how is this not clear? Both Germanies are named in the title of the section, because they were both relevant to the situation. And don't use so many exclamation marks... --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) 13:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true but the section titled is very misleading. Only the German Democratic Republic should be mentioned in the title. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 16:36, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the IP and BHL.  Including the FRG in the title is confusing.  TDL (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

text: "Did you even bother to read the section?" - yes I did - and it is kinda rude to simply imply otherwise (Wikipedia has some etiquette rules - please respect them) 78.42.252.102 (talk) 12:19, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Federal Republic of Germany is NOT a former member of the United Nations 

message: Depending on the result of the Scottish referendum, what will happen to this article? Ezza1995 (talk) 17:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If Scotland declares independence, then they'll need to reapply for UN membership and be approved by the General Assembly, just like for example Montenegro did.  Presumably, the rump UK will be considered the successor state.  So until Scotland rejoins, there would probably not need to be any changes made (except for an update to the map to reflect the new boundaries.)  TDL (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotland 

message: Is this statement correct?
"There are 986 United Nations (UN) member states."
An editor removed UNnu and replaced it with the number 986. We HAAD only 193 members.  That's QUITE A JUMP! MaynardClark (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of UN member states

message: Coats of arms are mainly of European/historical interest, these play absolutely no role in the United Nations as far as I am concerned; all those nations lacking coats of arms make the list look quite messy. I would like to see that column completely from the list. 183.193.186.67 (talk) 10:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Their presentation is extremely undue. CMD (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Against the listing of coats of arms 

message: I suppose if someone tries to change czech republic to czechia that will get reverted  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.103.106 (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article uses the names used at the UN. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Czechia

message: In the list of original members, what is the good reason for listing the USSR, US and UK by their full official names when all other countries are listed with their short names? Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 17:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is because that was their "official name as recognized at the time" or something akin to that. Vsmith (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that's why they are listed as such in the table, but I don't see why the article's prose require the official names when there is no ambiguity. The original UN charter also mention the "Kingdom of Belgium", the "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic", the "Grand Duchy of Luxembourg" and so on, yet we don't use their full names in the article. Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 02:49, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Per WP:BOLD, I've changed a sentence in our lead from:
:The UN is the world's largest intergovernmental organization, ahead of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.
to just:
::The UN is the world's largest intergovernmental organization.
List of intergovernmental organizations shows several organisations that are 'larger' than the OIC, such as the WTO and the World Bank (in terms of number of member states, etc), the Commonwealth of Nations (in terms of population represented, etc), and so on. So the source is either being misquoted, or is unreliable, or is reliable but unrepresentative, or gives a reason for ignoring the Commonwealth and WTO, etc. So a clarification would be needed if this were to be kept in the article, let alone the lead. But it probably belongs in neither. I've also removed the relatively-hard-to-check source since it currently seems unnecessary and possibly unreliable or unrepresentative or misquoted (though it is easy to restore if a check shows it to be reliable and representative and correctly quoted).Tlhslobus (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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message: I tried to make the table sortable, but it doesn't work. Can anyone help to make the table sortable by name and join date?Terrorist96 (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sortable table