Talk:The Black Swan (film)

message: Why was the DVD cover of this film deleted.  It is well established in other articles that DVD covers are acceptable in demonstrating the films availability in this medium.  I think this needs to be discussed if people are objecting to this. FrankWilliams 16:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think it was a major enough change to warrant talkpage discussion.  DVD covers are indeed perfectly acceptable as representation for a film, but I thought it would be preferable to have something more contemporaneous with the film that represented more of its character than the standard Fox DVD cover which looks exactly the same for all Fox releases, and moreover smacks more of advertisement than illustration to me.  Ford MF 18:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: True.  And on the other hand...  Ford MF 20:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Cover

message: Folks really need to learn to not be so POV and opinionated.  Trivia information is perfectly acceptable in Wiki Articles.  Furthermore it is not often that recent information can be accessed to old movies such as this.  Also, Ms. O'Hara is up in age and accounts of the filming and making of the film could be considered valuable, as once she passes her unique perspective will be lost. Anyone who really loves this movie would be delighted in hearing the commentary and this is a way of letting folks know. FrankWilliams 20:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The trivia merely says that there is commentary on the DVD, which isn't exactly unusual nowadays. If you have info about the actual anecdotes, that might warrant a trivia entry. Clarityfiend 00:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Clarityfiend.  Nothing especially notable about this commentary (unless some important info in the commentary is cited in this article, which it isn't), and it should go.  Ford MF 21:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Captain, there be barnacles on the hull. Scrape 'em off, matey! Aye, aye, captain, but they keep growing back. Arghhh! Clarityfiend 21:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There is very little info; it's mostly just your opinions. The place for that is in a review on Amazon.com, not here. Clarityfiend 17:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There is enough info to let others know what is there.  Your comments are also your opinions. FrankWilliams 10:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FrankWilliams, the clear but small (2-to-1) consensus here is against including that section in the article.  I wish other people besides the three of us gave a crap about this article so we could get a more sizable sample, but this is what we got.  Wikipedia is edited by consensus, not stubbornness, and I know it sucks when something you dig about an article gets deleted, but it happens.  Pretty much all three of us are now guilty of 3RR, and asking for arbitration seems silly given how minor a matter this is, but I don't really know what else to do.  Ideas anyone?  Ford MF 15:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We have changed it the way we'd like it, but you keep changing it back. So why make an offer you won't honor? Also, what difference does it make how long the article is? If it doesn't meet official guidelines, it doesn't belong here. Clarityfiend 21:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ummm...what information? It talks about "valuable historic information", "anecdotes" and "details", but provides absolutely none. If you have the DVD and are willing to add them, please do so. Otherwise, this is "a tale...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Clarityfiend 23:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I have edited hundreds of film articles, none with a DVD commentary section. But just to be fair, I went thru the AFI top 100 films, which presumably are better-than-average quality, and here is what I found: 13 had DVD sections, which listed either the dates of multiple releases (such as Star Wars) or listings of the extra features or both. None of them was anything like what FrankWilliams has written. If you want to start the WP:Arbitration process, go ahead. But until you can produce a similar example in some other film article or respond to the objections I have made on this page, I will continue to revert it. Clarityfiend 01:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This commentary is unique? Are you serious? And I didn't say there were no articles with DVD sections, quite the contrary; I said there were none like this one, dedicated solely to a single commentary, and with so little content. I welcome a third-party arbitrator to examine this little brouhaha, if you've even followed through on your "threat". I'll wait a few days to see if anything develops. Clarityfiend 13:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia Section