Talk:Miami Vice

message: On the overview, I noticed that they talk about a noticeable episod3 called, where the busses don’t run, it notes the year as 1997 and im sure they must have meant 1987... Drewpdogg22 (talk) 22:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  just a noticed. typo 

message: I really can't believe this is necessary - but in efforts to avoid an edit war - I am opening dialogue here to discuss the genre of the show.  I went through the archives already and it has not been discussed previously. 
A recent edit by User:SnapSnap changed a categorization from Thriller TV Series to American Thriller TV Series.  In hindsight I somewhat wrongly reverted that edit - and in reality I should have just deleted the category outright, as I do not believe that either case applies or fits the show. I will qualify that more in a moment.  In a subsequent reversion of that - SnapSnap referenced the Infobox genre as supporting the classification (Mystery thriller).  My oversight there as I had not even noticed it, prior.  But - after reading both the page that links to and also Thriller (genre) - I have to say that very cearly MV does not fall into any of those 2 cats or the genre.  
The basic premise of both Thriller and Mystery thriller/fiction is that the commissioner of the crime is not known until the end, and that viewers are "kept on the edge of their seats with high suspense and anxiety", and Alfred Hitchcock style of story telling is frequently referenced in both of these articles.  This simply is not the case for pretty much any episode of MV.  The commissioner of the crime is almost always revealed before the opening credits roll - or at the very latest by the first commercial break.  The bulk of the show's premise is based upon how to either apprehend the known villain, catch them in the act (usually via under-cover setup) or otherwise thwart their plans.  In reality it is almost a polar opposite of a thriller or whodunit type of story.   I therefor think that any Thriller catting of this show should be removed, and that Mystery Thriller should be struck from the genre list in the infobox.   But I am of course open to suggestion and argument - as long as we can reach a consensus on proper genre and catting of this.  Picard's Facepalm (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply put, genres are one of the least informative and most useless things we can edit war over. But what's important is to go by the sources--no genre should be listed for a piece of media that isn't sourced and discussed in the article's prose. Infoboxes and categories are not meant to contain unique information and need to summarise the content of an article, and so if any given genre isn't explicitly spelt out and sourced reliably in running prose, it doesn't belong in either the infobox or in a category (cf. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE: "the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article") Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 20:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with you on this, and on that basis do not find the infobox genre identification of Mystery thriller as a remotely fitting summary of the facts in the article. Picard's Facepalm (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I don't have a dog in the category fight, but you are incorrect about your statement regarding "pretty much any episode of MV." There were a number of episodes where the perpetrator was in fact not known until near the end of the episode (Out Where the Busses Don't Run, Shadows in the Dark, the much-maligned Missing Hours, God's Work, Amen, Send Money, half of the arc presented in Definitely Miami...I could go on). Vice has always been difficult to categorize. Intothatdarkness 20:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok - I will certainly admit there were some episodes that didn't fully fit the stereotype I indicated above - but do you think even the episodes you have listed fall into the scope of the 2 referenced articles for Thriller and Mystery?  Both of those are pretty clearly summed up in each of their opening paragraphs - but I still do not see those encompassing MV as a whole - anymore than I would encompass it being identified as a comedy by presence of Izzy, Noogy or even the interactions with Elvis.  Picard's Facepalm (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, those are examples. And you're wrong about at least two of those episodes being summed up in the opening (very wrong in the case of Out Where the Busses Don't Run). As for the "Kept on the edge of their seats" quote you cite...Shadows in the Dark certainly has that intent. So does Little Miss Dangerous, Florence Italy, and in its own way Nobody Lives Forever. As I said before, Vice is very difficult to categorize. Perhaps the most sound categorization I've seen is found in Sanders' book "Miami Vice", where he calls it "television crime drama and film noir coalesce[ing]" and one of the first examples of TV Noir in the '80s and beyond. And in that context I would even question the use of "Neo-Noir" in the genre infobox, as Sanders (a major RS when dealing with Miami Vice in a contextual sense) doesn't use the term. Intothatdarkness 01:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text: You should probably take a moment to review WP:TPG, WP:NOTFORUM and WP:POLD Picard's Facepalm (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre discrepancy & cats