Talk:Don Brash

message: An anonymous user has been adding "to be funded through borrowing" to the section about the tax cuts. According to the National Party tax cuts website:
;How will National's tax package be paid for? 
:We will cancel Labour's Kiwisaver programme, we will drop Labour's indexation of tax thresholds (no longer needed), we will make savings from Labour's waste and low quality spending, and we will increase the size of government spending at a lower rate than Labour. 
;Will you be borrowing to pay for tax cuts? 
:We will do some borrowing for capital expenditure, and that is completely normal practice. Tax cuts will not be funded by borrowing money. This is another of Labour's scare tactics.
So a statement to the contrary must be substantiated by evidence.
Ben Arnold 04:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tax cuts funded through borrowing? 

message: A couple of times people have tried to add political poll results to this page. Are they appropriate here? Please debate this at Talk:New_Zealand_general_election%2C_2005#Polls.-gadfium 23:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Political poll results

message: I've tagged this article with an NPOV warning. The early sections of this are really quite biased - it doesn't mention any of the controversy surrounding his term as Reserve Bank Governor, instead repeatedly praising him. The section surrounding his election and accession to the leadership are full of praise for him and scorn for his opponents. While it improves towards the end, it's still pretty bad - particularly considering that the election is tomorrow. Ambi 01:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. A few sentences are troubling. In particular: "The consensus opinion is that Brash was an excellent Governor". Who's opinion? A source, perhaps?--Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just attempted to re-word it to appear more npov.  Is it looking any better? Izogi 07:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Indeed, it is better than it was. However, it still isn't entirely NPOV. There are many instances of weasel terms that compromise any claim of NPOV. Some sections remain a little partisan.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 08:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tagging

message: I'm no Don Brash fan but its a bit harsh to label his relationship "adultery" when there is a better, neutral way of expressing it.  Also the Helen Clark comparison is gratuitous.  I have decided to be brave and amend and delete, but what do others think?
Kiwimw 19:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationships and "adultery"

message: The story as you've given it seems to me to be far too trivial to add to an encyclopedia article. There may be some much more major story hidden beneath, but that story is primarily about the infighting in Parliament which looks to be getting out of control. The 2005 New Zealand election funding controversy is the underlying cause of that infighting, and probably needs a paragraph about the threats to play dirty which have been made in the last month or so.-gadfium 02:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Although I only think it should take up a line or so, it is quite relevant to Don Brash the man (as opposed to Don Brash the politician). Given that there isn't a section dedicated to his personal life, the 2006 and beyond section seems like the best place for it to be at the moment. Tell me to get back to work! 04:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. If his marital difficulties result in divorce, then we'll include that in the article. That he takes a few days off to sort out some personal problems is trivial.  Think of this from a long term perspective. In a year's time (or ten), will anyone remember this, or care, assuming he goes back to work on Monday and nothing further comes of it? If something further does come of it, then we add it to the article. As I said above (although it was intended for a user talk page, not an article talk page), there's something major bubbling underneath the surface here, and I'm not privy to the details. Let's wait for those details to emerge.-gadfium 04:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair call. I'm generally for keeping personal lives of politicians off an article unless noteworthy, and this probably falls outside that category at the moment. Tell me to get back to work! 05:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I now know a lot more details, and it is a big deal, but it's still speculation. TV3 News covered it in detail, but TVNZ, the Herald, and Radio NZ have chosen not to cover it. I've put a comment into the article asking people not to add it at this point. I have to admit I'm perversely rather pleased that so many people are thinking of updating Wikipedia when such a major story breaks, but I still think it's premature. Perhaps we should add a brief mention with a link to the National Party press release  (as User:Midnighttonight did in the first place) to prevent others from adding the story.-gadfium 06:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm not going to re-add I personally don't agree with your view. IMHO, while wikipedia is not a news service, there is nothing wrong with adding brief mention of highly notable events about a subject even if these events could easily be no longer notable in 2-5 years. Obviously the mention should only be brief, we should not speculate and we should remeve this mention when it no longer merits inclusion in the article, but IMHO anyway we don't have to consider whether the issue will merit inclusion in a biography or 'normal' encyclopedia, simply whether it merits inclusion in wikipedia which isn't quite the same thing as a normal encyclopedia... Nil Einne 06:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There have now been three logged in editors, plus three anons, who have added these details or suggested that it is appropriate to do so. There has also been a fourth anon who added information to another article. Consensus is clearly against me, so I've added a minimal mention with a link to the National Party press release. I think this is a good compromise.-gadfium 08:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed my comment asking people not to add details. The issue is now widely publicised, and Wikipedia is no longer in danger of leading the news.-gadfium 01:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Don Brash on leave

message: One of the things Don Brash is most widely reported on is his various comments on race relations, beginning in the Orewa speech and continuing to his recent comments on Justice Baragwanath's indigenous law paper (which a recent contribitor had a very POV attempt at mentioning).  Surely there's some room in this article for some NPOV discussion of Mr Brash's various statements on race relations.  A brief mention in the section on Orewa and a link to the article on racial separatism (which is the phrase he uses, but it's well and truly debatable whether NZ race relations is comparable to the examples in the linked article) don't do the issue justice. --Tirana 23:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on race relations 

message: I don't want to let the NH bit get out of control but I feel it does need to be covered in some detail. Although Brash denies this issue had anything to do with his resignation, obviously not everyone is going to agree. Coming just before his resignation, it's likely to be perceived as the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Also, I think the section needs to mention the injunction because it was IMHO quite a significant part of the whole controversy. Whatever you believe and whatever Brash intended, it was potrayed by various parties as if Brash was trying to cover things up. IMHO this was perceived as quite damaging to Brash. It's not just the book either since the media are going to be actively fighting the injuctions. I'm not going to actively fight removal of what I added if anyone disagrees but I do think we need to go into a resonable amount of detail even if it is repetition. I'm trying to debate any of this be added, just trying to explain why I think the NH bit is important in the article Nil Einne 12:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicky Hager 

message: I'm not sure how much evidence there is that winning the centre formed the main thrust of Brash/National's advertising campaign, either in intention or effect.  The billboards were the most notable feature, and they didn't say a thing about washing his own smalls or being a conscientious objector.  If anything, the advertising strategy exaggerated relatively small policy differences between the two parties and ate into the territory previously occupied by Act.  I'm sure Hager's not the only commentator on this issue, so there's a good chance the subject can be described in a balanced way.  As it stands (without citations) it bears little resemblance to reality. --Tirana 04:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising Strategy - winning the centre? 

message: I suppose he has been classed as a Conscientious Objector as a joke? Hugo999 (talk) 04:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He claimed to be one. I've added a ref to the article.-gadfium 05:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conscientious Objector? 

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message: Yes, Brash made those comments about British immigrants. How is this relevant to race relations? He's clearly talking about an ethno-cultural connection. It is possible to be racially black or Asian or anything really and have been raised in the United Kingdom and be completely culturally British even if they're not indigenous to Britain or of ethnic British identity. I question the use of the comment in race relations. 175.36.241.64 (talk) 10:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race Relations 

message: Is the last paragraph of that section on him really fair at all? It gives equal weighting (well, it isn't equal actually, one takes up a much more significant proportion than the other) to both what the The New Zealand Association of Economists says about Brash, and what some non-expert documentary filmmaker says about Brash. Mathmo Talk 09:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Brash's Performance as Reserve Bank Governor