Talk:Misty (Pokémon)

message: Is it necessary to have anything about it in the article? Every spoken Ash+Misty hint was added by the dubbers {especially in The Heartbreak of Brock, Wherefore Art Thou Pokemon?, and Gotta Catch Ya Later}, and Misty's Song isn't what most would consider solid evidence {it was released on a semi-official America-only non-canonical album, wasn't even sung by anyone who sounded even remotely like Misty, and NEVER specified who she was singing to}.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.218.157 (talk) 
:There seemed to be a lot of demand to have the information included in the article, and many editors, including unregistered, anonymous editors (like you!), were adding unreferenced information.  At least the information now included in the article is cited, and it doesn't seem like there's any significant original research, either.  --Brandon Dilbeck 18:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The dubbers can add whatever they want.  Whether you like their changes or not, we have to cover it encyclopedically.  --Brandon Dilbeck 18:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This is the English Wikipedia, and since the hints were in the English version of the show it belongs in Misty's English article. -- The Hybrid 19:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ash and Misty's relationship 

message: I never really checked before now, but I've realized that the sources we are using in this article are dismal.  Writing citations and attributions usually isn't my cup of tea, but it's obvious to me that what we have here is largely unacceptable.  There are currently 17 footnoted citations.  I am listing them here in case they are changed later:
# Pokémon anime overview Psypokes.com. URL Accessed May 25, 2006.
# Pokémon anime, episode "Pokémon, I Choose You!" (Season 1)
# Pokémon anime, episode "The Mandarin Island Miss-Match" (Season 2)
# Pokémon anime, episode "Trouble's Brewing" (Season 4)
# Pokémon anime, episode "Who Gets To Keep Togepi?" (Season 1)
# Hints in the Kanto and Johto arcs Ash and Misty's Love (Geocities). URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# Hints in the Johto and Hoenn arcs Ash and Misty's Love (Geocities). URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# Hints in Specials, Movies, Manga, etc. Ash and Misty's Love (Geocities). URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# Hints in Pokémon Live! Ash and Misty's Love (Geocities). URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# 2BA Master Amazon.com URL accessed November 4, 2006
# Pokémon anime, episode "The Heartbreak of Brock" (Season 4)
# Pokémon anime, episode "Gotta Catch Ya Later" (Season 5)
# PokéShipping Bulbapedia. URL accessed December 17, 2006.
# Ash and Misty belong together Petition Spot. URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# Ash and Misty getting together Petition Spot. URL accessed November 19, 2006.
# Pokemon Ash and Misty's Love PetitionOnline.com URL accessed November 19, 2006
# AdvanceShipping Bulbapedia. URL accessed December 17, 2006.
I don't really have anything to say about References 1–5.  It's References 6–17 that present us with problems and difficult decisions.  These references are all referred to by the Relationship with Ash section.  You see, as recently as a few months ago, many editors were adding unverified information on the romance between the characters Ash and Misty without adding any citations and these additions were being reverted.  So the information was readded, perhaps by different editors.  A cycle was created.  Then someone, I forget who, and it isn't important now, rewrote the section, supplying it with a lot of references.  The problem is that I don't think most of these references would comply with Wikipedia's attribution policy (WP:A).
References 6–9 look like a childish fan site that contains only speculation and I can't put a lot of trust into it—a quotation: "it's just really cute because Brock is caught up in some spell thingy with the girl and Ash and Misty try and break him out of it and go on their on mission thing ^_~"  It doesn't sound at all professional to me.
References 13 and 17 attribute Bulbapedia.  I am of the opinion that WE SHOULD NOT BE CITING BULBAPEDIA.  That encyclopedia seems to be full of missing information and low article standards.  And neither of those Bulbapedia articles demonstrate any attribution.  And Reference 17 says that it "does not yet meet the quality standards of Bulbapedia"—we can't be citing something that's been pointed out as not meeting quality standards.  I'm not saying that we should be holding Bulbapedia to Wikipedia's standards, but the site is similar in appearance so they probably copied standards as well.
References 14–16 might be the cream of the crop of bad pickins.  I'll just state immediately that 14 and 15 return what appear to be 404 errors!  I'm sure they weren't 404 errors when they were first cited, but they can't stay.  And in any case, we shouldn't be citing petitions.  The article uses the citations to demonstrate that there are indeed petitions, and I think there's some problem with this.  I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I think it falls along the lines of using original research.
So I think we need to make a decision; some action needs to be taken somehow.  These references aren't doing a good job of giving the section a good foundation, and the section can't stand by itself anyway.  So I think the section needs to be taken down.  --Brandon Dilbeck 08:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, you should have, especially as I spent around an 5 days searching for the shipping theory sources. And someone's been using , i think that's a good idea for the direct observations. To work, Wikians! --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 07:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big issue with references 

message: I think you should use a source to reference how you got it. I know what the source is, so I will give it to you (though i do hope that it meets wiki-standards) it's Mayumi Iizuka's blog, which of course can be accessed from Bulbanews. If the Bulbanews article wasn't enough to count as a source, then the Seiyu of Misty's blog sure would be!
:The source is now there, but someone added this:
*According to Misty's Japanese voice actress, Mayumi Iizuka, Misty will return later in the Diamond and Pearl series. It is confrimed that Misty will come back in later episodes as a main character.
*It says [citation needed] after that last sentence, and I look at the edit page and it says "Fact|date=June 2007" after that sentence, so does that mean it's true? 206.66.217.142 22:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it means that it's unconfirmed crap. I'll be deleting the second sentence now. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 16:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, and add it to the article if and only if our patience pays off. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav|Trainer Card) 02:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think if her Japanese voice actress mentions it, it must be a noteworthy appearance, at least more noteworthy than her appearances in the Advanced Generation series, anyway. But still, it's not truly confrirmed if she'll be back as a main character. 206.66.217.141 21:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already says her Japanese VA says she's gonna return. The rest is left to the speculation of readers. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav|Trainer Card) 14:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've removed this section as the blog was Japanese, if you can find a notable English site that states this and preferably NOT a blog, it may be added again. See WP:LINKS SpigotMap 22:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Third of all, the blog IS in Japanese or some Asian language. Sources/Cites are to be in English only on the English Wikipedia. Fourth of all, your Original Research is not for Wikipedia. Fifth of all, speculation about future events is unencyclopedic, unless confirmed by several sources including the publisher, but still not very welcome on an encyclopedia. Sixth of all, a fansite wiki is not generally considered a reliable source. Seventh of all, please sign your comments, thanks. SpigotMap 02:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How does having to sign up make it have stable history and substantial editors? From the looks of the articles, it's written by a bunch of 12 year olds. How notable is that? Also, sign with ~~~~, typing out your name doesn't work. SpigotMap 13:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Point one: The blog wasn't any random person's, as pointed out. Point two: As for Japanese, WP:RS states: "Where editors use their own English translation of a non-English source as a quote in an article, there should be clear citation of the foreign-language original, so that readers can check what the original source said and the accuracy of the translation." SOFIXIT. Translate instead of removing. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav|Trainer Card) 15:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems we've settled this then. I'm satisfied with it the way it is now, mainly I was just concerned about the links/references to geocities fan sites in the "PokeShipping" piece of the article. Glad we could settle it. SpigotMap 06:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're referring to that interview with Masamitsu Hidaka, keep in mind that, 1. He's no longer a huge influence on the Show, as he was demoted from director to just your typical storyboard director, 2. this is the same guy who, in the same interview, had ligitimately absolutely no idea that Platinum was coming out despite the fact that it was covered heavily in CoroCoro Magazine, and besides which, Giratina and Shaymins alternate forms, staples of Platinum, made their debut in Giratina and the Sky Warrior's release in Japan, two months before Platinum's game release, and he earlier bragged that Pokémon (not to mention Ash) will continue for many [Game] Generations to come, and 3. he had lied before, especially when he and his entire writing staff told 4kids that infamous lie about Ash's father appearing in Season 5 (Master Quest) in Pokémon: Spell of the Unknown. Weedle_McHairybug.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.251.111 (talk) 00:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involving Misty's Return... 

message: PokéShipping gained a cult following on the Internet and elsewhere, with several online petitions demanding Nintendo overtly depict them as lovers.Ash and Misty belong together Petition Spot. URL accessed November 19, 2006.Ash and Misty getting together Petition Spot. URL accessed November 19, 2006. Pokemon Ash and Misty's Love PetitionOnline.com URL accessed November 19, 2006.
Since the Pokémon: Advanced season, however, support for PokéShipping has considerably waned, since Misty has been removed from the main cast. Another factor in the fall of support was the birth of "AdvanceShipping", the belief that Ash and May, his traveling companion in the Hoenn story arc, have crushes on each other.AdvanceShipping Bulbapedia. URL accessed December 17, 2006.
I know this is silly, I wrote all that in the first place. But, after a reread about six months on, this doesn't really seem to be in line with policy. Everything else in the section can be confirmed, but this can't. The cult status and the waning of popularity are true enough, but per Wikipedia's "Verifiability, not truth" policy, it counts as original research and we're not supposed to mention that until a reliable secondary source has covered it. As such, I've moved this off the page for the time being. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav|Trainer Card) 11:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviving the PokéShipping debate... 

message: There is no way this article is high priority for Wikipedia 1.0.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dawn is "top" priority for some reason. We need to form some consensus on priorities. SpigotMap 01:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wait wut 

message: It's completely fancrufty and seems pretty irrelevant to the page.  No other Pokemon pages have shipping sections like this (with the possible exception of Team Rocket (anime).  I advocate deletion of this section because fan speculation (aka shipping) does not a Wikipedia page make (also of the basis of WP:NOT, WP:OR, and WP:V). MelicansMatkin 01:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree. It seems to have stayed because a director hinted it *might* be true. However, the only thing to be mentioned by this reference is to be only what the director said. Anything else is constituting Original Research. Another example would be if a director hinted that "Someone will be lost next season" does not mean fans can speculate in the article who might be leaving. SpigotMap 01:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the section. As I was saying before accidentally hitting the enter button on edit summary. Yes the episodes are sourced, but the section is not. A section like that can not be reliably sourced because it is completely original research, there is no way to prove that this theory of pokeshipping exists. SpigotMap 01:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (EDIT CONFLICT):  Who was the director?  Was it one of the original producers, or just an English translator?  If the latter I definitely say to get rid of it.  The English directors really aren't that knowledgeable about the series (IIRC, in the director's commentary of the 3rd movie dub, they said that Ash's Noctowl evolved from his HootHoot, and that an appearance by Ash's father was going to happen in Master Quest). (Not Edit Conflict):  Yeah, I agree. Speculation and OR are the only things that sustain Pokeshipping, and therefore the things that prohibit a mention.  MelicansMatkin 01:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Misty was never slated to appear.  What her Japanese VA was referring to was the fact that she would host the 10th anniversary special.  Misty was never supposed to appear. MelicansMatkin 11:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Just so long as it isn't mentioned in the article. MelicansMatkin (talk) 00:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fancrufty? I researched and I found out that there are a few hints that Ash and Misty are in love. First, that Advanced Battle episode. Misty could've waited at her gym, not at Ash's house. And how about the time Ash got mad at Rudy for proposing to Misty? Pokemon Buffy Titan (talk) 12:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are hints for relationships between Ash and May, Ash and Latias, Misty and Tracey, Misty and Max, May and Drew, Ash and Gary, the list goes on and on. A hint is not a verifiable fact. The creators of Pokemon and the anime directors have neither confirmed or denied a prospective romance with Ash. Each hint is nothing more than that; a hint. It's open to a fans interpretation and completely uncomfirmable. Speculation has no place on Wikipedia. MelicansMatkin (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Relationship with Ash keeps being readded by anonymous IPs.  I suggest that we stop simply reverting and begin to post vandalism warnings on their talk pages whenever it is reinstated. MelicansMatkin (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: This has been discussed to death over and over again.  It is against policy to include any shipping information.  It's not just this page, it should be removed from every page.  It's being ignored because it's just fancruft.  This really shouldn't need to be discussed again after all of the discussions above.  WP:V, WP:OR, WP:NOT MelicansMatkin (talk) 11:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Misty has never kissed Ash in the anime.  I'll try to be more clear about the stance on shipping.  Shipping is a belief that two characters in a fandom may be romantically involved.  Key word in that sentence: belief.  The point and purpose of Wikipedia is to construct an encyclopedia.  An encyclopedia is a database of facts.  Everything mentioned in an article should be backed up by a reliable source.  The facts have to be verifiable, and there should be no doubt about them; they need to be iron-clad.  Shipping is never iron-clan.  It is an interpretation of a friendship or rivalry between two or more characters in a franchise.  Ash and Misty is shipping, while something like Norman and Caroline isn't because those two are a confirmed couple.  That is why shipping can not be included in articles.  It's an interpretation, which is original research.  It's fancrufty, which is not the purpose of Wikipedia.  And no shipping is ever truly verifiable. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: If it becomes a fact, then that *could* be mentioned. But that has yet to happen AFAIK. RegalStar (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about when Misty said to Ash, "You and I will be married someday too..." to which Ash replies, "Mmhmm....Whaaaa!?!?!?!" Ladder4321 (talk) 15:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that episode, Brock was (potentially) going to be married to a character of the day. Misty and Ash were contemplating that when Misty said that comment.  It in no way implies that Misty meant they would be married to each other.  For the last time, Pokeshipping is not going to be included in the article.  It absolutely fails every single criteria and policy that Wikipedia has outlining this kind of thing. MelicansMatkin (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: To quote myself from direcly above this comment:  "In that episode, Brock was (potentially) going to be married to a character of the day. Misty and Ash were contemplating that when Misty said that comment.  It in no way implies that Misty meant they would be married to each other." MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: No, it shows that Misty thinks she will be married someday.  That does not mean she was implying a relationship with Ash.  MelicansMatkin (talk) 04:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that, even IF she did indeed imply a relationship with Ash, the whole "you and I will be married someday" was a dub addition. originally, Misty just says something about Brock that Ash realizes he didn't understand (that explains his "huh?" comment)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.228.200 (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationship with Ash

message: About two weeks ago, I removed this statement out of the article (check the history log):
She likes many typical "girly" and romantic things, but she is also very much a tomboy.
Ok, I removed this statement for several reasons. One, I feel that it is a POV. Two, the statement is a bit contradictory (tomboy in definition is a girl who acts and dresses up as a boy, and three, there is little or no evidence to support this (particularly in the anime, it was never said).
In such, I removed this irrelevant statement out of the article. Hopefully, you guys would agree with me on this. --Dark paladin x (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed a irrelevant statement two weeks ago. 

message: In cartoon alot people say that she was 10 years old when she first met Ash and i believe it76.112.23.57 (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of those are official sources. -Sukecchi (talk) 00:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fansites and wikis do not qualify.  Find a different source, one that doesn't have the composition of an indecisive shape-mocker. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 00:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: In order to add it, you are going to have to provide a reliable source saying that. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 03:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The episode itself would be enough of a source. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: The copy edit template were it was listing Misty's pokemon is unnecessary. I just went through it and didn't find anything that needed to be fixed (I did make one or two thing better sentences). If nobody says no soon, I'm getting rid of it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mm40 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy Editing? 

message: Misty's cover name Ann Chovy must be discussed.  At least if a user searches for "Ann Chovy," he or she should be redirected to Misty's page.
:It is unessesary to since Ann Chovy is not mentioned anywhere else in Pokemon but that episode but you would have to e-Mail a admin to find out, and please sign your thing. --TheiPodKid  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheiPodKid (talk • contribs) 03:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ann Chovy 

message: I wanted to know, since It does tie in to her character (note, this convention is held in Japan), and besides which, if Ariel's article can get away with a portion of it mentioning a fan convention dedicated to her known as "Arielcon", I think it's fair to mention it on here. Weedle McHairybug.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.128.224 (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not a Misty convention. It was more of a doujinshi sellers market for Misty-related works. There were no official Pokemon representatives there. And Misty's not the only one to get this kind of treatment, so it fails WP:Notability. The difference is that Arielcon is officially sponsored by Walt Disney World (correct me if I'm mistaken, and then the article) while this rather minor event was not. One would think that you'd get it by now after the webmaster of Bulbagarden attempted to drill it into your head so many times. The Legend of Miyamoto (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I don't even see the difference. I mean, Anime Weekend Atlanta is nothing more than an unofficial doushinjii stand, as far as I'm concerned, and while it does have representatives from Funimation and other Anime companies paying a visit, it isn't ACTUALLY sponsered by them, and yet it gets its own article (which technically destroys Wiki Notability anyways.), so really, I don't even see the difference between the two. Either way, it still should be noted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.128.224 (talk) 23:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "As far as I'm concerned"? We deal with facts here, not opinions (okay, technically, we do, but it's always the opinions of someone notable). And if Anime Weekend Atlanta is not notable enough, then bring that up on its article's talk page to have it go through a WP:Articles for deletion process. Just because something "violates" the rules doesn't mean the rest of the articles should follow suit. The Legend of Miyamoto (talk) 23:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I already did. Also, in regards to your point in regards to the rest of the articles not following suit just because some violates the rules, actually, it DOES mean that. As you know, every SINGLE part of Wikipedia (All Articles, all projects, etc. etc.) is bound together by the rules (or guidelines, as they call it) of Wikipedia. If lots of articles break the rules that tie it, they need to be erased as a result. Even though personally, I believe in keeping them in, rules are rules, so there's no point in saying some are exempt and some are bound. And anyways, if this were an encyclopedia, opinions, even those made by a notable person, AREN'T ALLOWED ON IT. Weedle_McHairybug.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.128.224 (talk) 23:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good for you. Just next time, can you not abuse Caps Lock so much? It makes you seem like an angry kid throwing a temper tantrum. Not that it's overly important, but it's good Internet etiquette. The Legend of Miyamoto (talk) 23:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sooo... Should the fact that Misty had her own convention be mentioned? 

message: Misty's appearance is (was?) difference in the Japanese and English mangas; she's showing much more skin in the Japanese original. Might that be something that could possibly be added somewhere? I'd find sources, but I'm not sure if it's all that noteworthy. Perhaps there's a "Censorship in Pokemon" piece floating around somewhere?   Aaron  ►  06:39, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship? 

message: Ch-ch-check it out. Does it actually have anything to do with the release of Togepi?  Aaron  ►  06:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disregard, baleeted.  Aaron  ►  06:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference Number 6 

message: Misty isn't a Pokemon. Has anyone ever noticed that flaw? PH1REcoil (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But she is from the Pokémon franchise. Useight (talk) 01:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also other things called "Misty". theFace 13:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Misty (Pokemon Franchise)" or something like that. Sounds more accurate. PH1REcoil (talk) 15:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But Misty (Pokémon) is shorter. I think we should keep article titles short. Stating "Pokémon character" in the title is unnecessarily detailed, because everybody can see that she is a character from Pokémon. Ditto for Brock (Pokémon), where you asked the same. Cheers, theFace 18:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice word play with Ditto. Useight (talk) 19:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RENAME TITLE 

message: When I was much younger (in elementary school), one of my classmates told me that there was a Pokemon card that featured a drawing of Misty naked. Is this true? Stonemason89 (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's true. It was the Japanese version of Misty's Tears. In fact, the implication that she was naked was the reason why her card was released in the Gym Challenges set in America instead of in Gym 1 as it was in Japan, and with modified artwork. The Pokemon collectors book kept it unchanged, however. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Naked?

message: ~The fact that she is afraid of bugs must mean she has Entomophobia (fear and hatred of insects).~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.186.6.124 (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Entomophobia]]

message: Hi. The user Mattmeine is including made-up information about Misty being Brock's wife and having a son named Ash, so we need to do something about it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalization 

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message: I've noticed this name has made it into some books in association with the 1st film.
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Where should we note this in the article? ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Misty Williams