Talk:The Shadow over Innsmouth

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 08:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

message: Zadok is killed by Dagon after he blabs about the town to Robert. I can confirm this by pulling out an old article about Lovecraft which has a synopsis of the story in it. I've added this to the article.65.255.130.104 21:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely you should be able to confirm this by looking at the story itself?  It's available online. john k 02:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Allen is not killed in the story, sounds like an editorial extrapolation Chrismorey (talk) 06:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

text: the use of obscure OT characters' names as forenames was common in the 19th century US and Britain.  I doubt there is any significance in the original Zadok's high status, and Allen is a drunken layabout Chrismorey (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zadok Allen 

message: "The hotel owner in the game is named Gilman, an obvious reference to the stories protagonist. "
This seems like a mistake to me. In Lovecraft's story Gilman was, in fact, the name of the hotel owner (just like in the game, apparently), not of the protagonist.
:Perhaps it was meant to read along the lines of "the hotel owner in the game is named Gilman, an obvious reference to the hotel which the story's protagonist stayed at." I believe it's actually called the Gilman Hotel. 75.108.205.201 23:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You believe correctly. --MwNNrules (talk) 00:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other appearances - Gilman 

message: As much as I love this story, shouldn't Wiki discuss the racism and anti-immigrant xenophobia both in the story itself and that obvious inspired it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.21.167 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 22 February 2009‎ (UTC)
:Don't get Lovecraft wrong. He hated everyone. Even his own life. 192.247.13.165 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism and xenophobia

message: I just wanted to ask if the "though the game takes place several years prior to the book and with a different protagonist, and could be considered a prequel" part about Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth should be removed? Since characters like Zadok Allen for example and most of the town get killed in the game, there is no way it could be considered as a prequel.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.48.250 (talk) 14:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A prequel? 

message: I'm sorry, but I honestly cannot find any sources whatsoever that lists the title with the lowercase "o", including especially the official site of Lovecraft. Conventions are all well and good, but in this case, it's inaccurate.  Also, only two people supported the change, and it was still implemented? - Cartoon Boy (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To be moved does not require a quorate, nor a majority vote, only that correct policies are being applied. In controversial cases a re-listing for more opinions may occur but when it looks straightforward that is probably not needed. There is a process for reviewing moves - its focus is whether the administrator carried out the process correctly. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 

message: It's claimed above that the lower-case "O" in over is inconsistent with the majority usage. I think we need to examine the evidence for or against this. Andrewa (talk) 02:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not needed for the application of the Wikipedia style guidelines. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. And nobody is saying that it is. But, if our current title is inconsistent with the majority usage (I will add, in reliable sources) then that would of course violate WP:AT, and provide a case for ignoring (and then of course reviewing) the guideline. Andrewa (talk) 20:41, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Majority usage

message: I've brought together the material related to publication but I feel the structure of the article could use some more work.  In particular, the lead is a mish-mash including a lengthy exposition of the plot, which partially duplicates the Plot section.  I haven't the time to rationalize it just now, but if anyone agrees, they're welcome to do so.Chrismorey (talk) 06:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: found time to summarize the plot for the lead & do a bit more tidying Chrismorey (talk) 19:07, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: The Fishing Hamlet in Bloodborne, developed by FromSoftware, is heavily inspired from Innsmouth descriptions as well as the loose plot outline that follows the similar turn of events. I ended up here because of the lore implications, I thought it would be worth mentioning under Adaptations.  --49.224.205.49 (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videogame references 

message: I am familiar with the story. There is only one human race in it: Caucasian, and there is only one fish-frog race in it. Although they can interbreed, they are different species. Perhaps there is Specyism, but no racism.
Some people find racism everywhere, and screech about it. This hinders people serious trying to fight racism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.127.196 (talk) 23:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Racism? 

message: The 'family tree' of Captain Obed Marsh shows that he had 3 daughters by his first wife. As far as I can tell, 'Shadow over Innsmouth' only mentions one son, Onesiphorus, by his first wife and only one daughter (unnamed in the story but called 'Alice' in HPL's notes) by his second (Deep One) wife. 
Did I miss something? If not, what is the source of these three daughters?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhaldackein (talk • contribs) 20:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I flagged the section for inline citations. If no references are forthcoming, then removing "3 daughters" from the chart might be in order. If the sources can be neatly summarised in the preamble above the chart, then that might be preferable to placing a ref in every node of the tree. —Ringbang (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marsh's Genealogy 

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