Talk:Franz Ferdinand

message: Should this really be a disambiguation page?  Is the band famous enough to be of equal standing with the Archduke? john k 02:19, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly not as famous, but since going by his article, the Archduke is not officially called just "Franz Ferdinand", disambigging here is as sensible as anywhere. Alternative would be to have a link to the band at the top of the Archduke's article, but it seems like it would be a little odd-looking to have a link to a band that's not called "Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria". Stan 05:29, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: That sounds like fancruft to me.  This page now has 3 possible meanings for "Franz Ferdinand" so it can be promoted to a disamb page.  Is there some reason not to redirect "Franz Ferdinand" to the Archduke's article and insert a link in that article to the disamb page? Phr 00:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Currently, the term "indie rock" is sometimes used to refer to the current wave of New Wave-influenced alternative rock such as Franz Ferdinand popularised by the media on the music channel MTV2 and in the rock music tabloid NME. The core of this movement has mostly been the resurgence of spiky 80's post punk rhythms and riffs akin to those played by Gang of Four, Television and Wire. Current bands of this type include Franz Ferdinand, and Fend, along with Bloc Party, The Futureheads and Razorlight. Often this style has been blended with other even more alternative genres such as garage rock (Death From Above 1979), synth rock (The Killers) and post-punk (Interpol). Some would also classify the Scissor Sisters and many others within this genre, which is very popular in the UK, forming the backbone of the Zane Lowe show, a popular evening radio show on Radio 1.
Our alternative rock article basically discusses it as a phenomenon which died out due to the mainstreaming of grunge in the early 1990s. Referring to a current band as alternative rock is anachronistic. john k 22:48, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous discussions

message: Two unregistered users continually rv this page from a redirect to the Archduke to a redirect to the band.  The obvious solution is to move the disambiguation page here as per WP:DAB.  I'm going to do that now, but feel free to revert it if there is serious opposition.  I am primarily concerned with this annoying revert war, and this seems the simplest solution.   Deano (Talk) 18:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No article should link to "Franz Ferdinand (disambiguation)" anyway anymore, so just delete that page and continue using the above solution of having "Franz Ferdinand" redirect to the archduke and link to the band at the top of the article; a dab page is totally unnecessary where only two articles are involved, clearly the band is less significant than the person (the person is one of the very small number of Wikipedia's "required articles", in fact!), and where only two pages are involved, it's almost always preferable to simply link to each from the other rather than bothering with an extra step that will do nothing but inconvenience a lot of users without making it any faster for them to find the page they're looking for than if there was no dab page. You've reversed all the good work and the excellent solution that was arrived at earlier; let's restore the fix. Reprimand the edit warriors, don't appease them or assume that the "middle ground" between two disputing parties is always the best solution. -Silence 00:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert war

message: The "Franz Ferdinand (disambiguation)" article redirects to "Franz Ferdinand" which contains disamb links, but the talk page comes here.  Why are they different?  An editing error (maybe mine, I started to change the page name but thought I cancelled before committing)?  Can someone fix this?  IMO "Franz Ferdinand" should redirect to the Archduke's page and that page should contain a link to the disamb, but that seems to already be a discussion in progress that I won't  mess with for now.Phr 00:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of sloppy edits. The pages should all be restored to the agreed-upon compromise from Talk:Franz Ferdinand (disambiguation)#Redirection, and delete Franz Ferdinand (disambiguation) to eliminate possible edit-warring, as the page should be orphaned anyway. -Silence 00:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's going on? 

message: The page that used to be here was merged into Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_of_Austria as a disambiguating hatnote.  Is there any reason it has reappeared as a separate page making it more difficult for readers to find the band?
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 16:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, either 'Franz Ferdinand' should point to the disambiguation page, or there should be a link to the band on the 'Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria' page. Matt J User|Talk 13:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessary? 

message: I've noticed that this has been going on for years (on different incarnations of this page) and has probably been changed thousands of times (yet another reason why we don't need this page). Please stop edit warring over this as it is so unbelievably trivial given no one reads the descriptions on disambiguation pages anyway.
If putting where they are from is really necessary for disambiguation (which I guess it just about is as there is a very small chance that someone might have heard of them as the "British/Scottish Franz Ferdinand", as opposed to the Austrian one, without further context), can we stick to referring to them here as they are referred to in the preamble of Franz Ferdinand (band) in line with the Manual of Style.
If you disagree with how they are referred to then please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Franz Ferdinand (band)#British or Scottish? as opposed to changing it on some dab page that no one reads.
Thank you,
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 01:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The rule for things from Scotland is, if it's good, it's British, but if it's shit, it's Scottish.  So Franz Ferdinand are Scottish.  91.109.149.132 (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish/British edit war 

message: There has been a recent debate about primacy of the article which now appears to be settled. Although more incoming links within wikipedia and externally, from search engines, point towards the band, the archduke is of significant historical importance, therefore the page now points towards both articles. Wardroad (talk) 16:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Has you guys's previous debate been deleted?  That's very annoying.  I think this is a case where search engines are going to mislead about primary topics.  I don't really care, though, so long as the redirect isn't to the band. john k (talk) 16:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that the disambiguation page is best. As you can see "Franz Ferdinand" could also lead to the album or DVD by the band. It makes sense. Stan weller (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: On what basis can the claim that the band is the primary topic be made?  I think that's a very dubious argument. john k (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Both subjects are equally notable (although it's quite clear the Archduke is far more important; it's not everyday someone is indirectly responsible for setting off the greatest war the world has ever known). The band article might even receive more page hits. Keeping it a disambiguation page instead of redirecting to the Archduke is sensible to me. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archduke or Band 

message: Band more famous than the archduke according to Google hits analysis. Thus, would make more sense to go to the band.TorontonianOnlines (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BOLDly enacting redirect to the disambiguation page. The primary argument for redirecting to the Archduke is notability, although Google Insight shows that in most cases the band is the most popular search item. The secondary argument is how 'vital' the article is to Wikipedia. I'm not sure what it's class was at the time, but it is now only a C-class article, whereas the band is a B-class article. However, whilst that suggests there is merit to linking directly to the band, it would make little sense and provoke more argument in the future. There are now multiple articles using Franz Ferdinand (disambiguation), so that is the, in my opinion, the best candidate for this redirect. --Topperfalkon (talk) 22:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Should go to band, or disambiguation page

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress