Talk:Titan (Dune)

message: OK, JoshuaZ put a fact tag on this (good catch, btw), but I've decided to move it here for discussion:
:Later, in Children of Dune, Agamemnon is among the voices clamoring for audience in Alia Atreides' Other memory.
The passage from CoD in question is this:
:"Prescience does this to you," a voice whispered.
:She covered her ears with her hands, thinking: I'm not prescient! The trance doesn't work for me!
:But the voice persisted: "It might work, if you had help." 
:"No...no," she whispered.
:Other voices wove around her mind: "I, Agamemnon, your ancestor, demand audience!"
:"No...no. "She pressed her hands against her ears until the flesh answered her with pain.
:An insane cackle within her head asked: "What has become of Ovid? Simple. He's John Bartlett's ibid!"
:The names were meaningless in her extremity. She wanted to scream against them and against all the other voices but could not find her own voice.
Since both the mythico-historical Agamemnon and the Titan Agamemnon are Atreides ancestors (according to "Expanded Canon" at least), the reference is ambiguous at best. As such, the statement above cannot be allowed into the article as is. (Who added this, anyway? I'm going to check the article history after saving.) --SandChigger 19:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can assume that Frank was talking about the mythological Agamemnon, since the Titan is a Brian/Kevin creation (and as we all know, there has been no indication from them what they specifically lifted from Frank's notes and what was their own). But of course, there is really no way of ever knowing for sure, so it can really never be reintroduced into the article unless it's worded like "Either the original or the Titan Agamemnon is among the voices clamoring ..."  It's a somewhat interesting tidbit, butI don't know that it's noteworthy enough to be included at all. TAnthony 20:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. And here I went to such pains to leave out my POV earlier! I agree. Anyway, I found the culprit. The line was added by User:70.137.184.250, here on July 7, 2006. Seems to have been a bit of a flash in the pan, and to have a bit of attitude, if his talk page is any indication. Mystery solved. A bit embarrassing, though, that it was let stand this long. --SandChigger 20:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agamemnon in ''CoD'' 

message: The names of the "Titans" always crack me up. Tlaloc was an Aztec rain god, Xerxes a Persian ruler, Dante an Italian poet, Barbarossa...what, a Frankish king? Pirate? Whatever. They couldn't even be bothered to carry through with the conceit and use the names of the actual Titans from Greek myth.
It's really painful how hard they still try to forge some epic link with mythology. (There's a really strained reference to Scylla and Charybdis in Paul of Dune as well. I guess we're supposed to conclude they've read the Odyssey, too?)
Anyway, lest I waffle on forever, let me come to the point: The bit about Tlaloc naming himself after an ancient god comes straight from The Butlerian Jihad:
:Then came a man from the distant Thalim system, a visionary who took the name of Tlaloc after an ancient god of rain.
I see no problem with incorporating this into the article. ??? --SandChigger (talk) 00:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aztec and Persian and Italian (and GAWD knows what else) "Titans"?