Talk:Michelle Wie West

message: For this article to be accurate, it must mention that she was over-hyped and hasn't performed up to expectations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.96.190 (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Accurate Article - Over Hype

message: Some Wikipedia members have been trying to say Wie finished the Evian Masters in 3rd last place. This is not true, since she finished the tournament beating every player who missed the cut.
It should be stated that she finished 3rd last of those who made the cut.
Please Note: If wikipedia members agree that she finished 3rd last, using the reasoning that only the players who played 4 rounds finished the tournament, I will accept this decision.
However we will then have to go back and re-edit where it says she finished in last place at the Omega Masters, because using the reasoning of the Evian example, where only players who play 4 rounds FINISH the tournament, that would mean she did not finish last at the Omega Masters, since she did not FINISH the tournament by completing four rounds.
--Stanley delaney2 18:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got my wording from the Golf Channel news broadcast as well as from these news sources: Daily Telegraph "slumped to last but three in the field." and this ESPN.com referring to her finishing "last at McDonald's." There are more, but no one seems to mention "last among those who made the cut" or anything like that.  People who don't make the cut don't finish and don't have finishing positions. It would be grossly inaccurate to state or even imply that those who miss the cut are included somehow when calculating finish position.  I will edit the article to cite a reference and will edit the Omega Masters wording as well to clarify what happened there. --Crunch 19:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Defining Where a Player Finishes In A Tournament

message: Michelle Wie is a native-born U.S. citizen, and we speak and write English here. How to write her name in Korean, Chinese, etc. is 100% irrelevant.
She's an American. Perhaps how to write her name in Hawaiian might be a little bit relevant!.
dale101usa
:See discussion on the other Michelle, same arguments apply here. Kowloonese 10:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is totally irrelevant to the English Wikipedia article.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with how she is known in English.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with how her name is spelled in English.  And it is unsourced speculation in any case, as the discussion above shows.  Gene Nygaard 18:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How to Write Her Name

message: Couldn't someone get a better photo of Wie (e.g. when she's playing golf) instead of the current one? i'm not really familiar with copyright stuffs so i'm hesitant to do so. --Plastictv 29 June 2005 06:22 (UTC)
:The commons image :commons:Image:Michelle Wie.jpg is good enough, but has the same name as the one used in the article... /Grillo 15:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Does anyone know how tall she is now? I heard she was 6' 3" but I don't know if that's right or not. Other sources say she's 6' 1".
:The current (2006) reports are just slightly under 6'1".Crunch 12:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: This article is getting a bit long with a lot of detail of every event Wie is playing in. With many events scheduled over the summer, it could get very long if copious details are included about every event. I suggest we curtail the amount of detail recorded for each event. Crunch 23:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, it's absolutely crazy to note every event where Wie participated, regardless of the outcome. Get serious, guys! For other athletes, and I'm not only talking about the likes of Tiger Woods and Lorena Ochoa, the achievements (i.e. wins or maybe near wins) are noted, not the tournaments where they did'nt even qualify for the final rounds. If Wie is, as one might presuppose, less a professional golfer than a celebrity with big advertising contracts, then maybe the focus should be on that part of her career. --Bernardoni (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much detail 

message: This is obviously a controversial topic. Let's remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not the place to determine which accomplishment is more important: Se Ri Pak's in 2003 or Michelle Wie's in 2006. We can't start taking about which tour is more "presigious."  The Asian Tour may be a more major tour, but the SK Telecom Open is one of the weakest events with a weak field of all the events on the Asian Tour, while the event Se Ri Pak placed tenth in may have been one of the strongest field events on the Korean Tour.  It's best to just state the facts and let the readers decide. Crunch 13:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree. Readers should be given context. The Asian Tour is one of the six members of the International Federation of PGA Tours and the Korean Tour doesn't even count for world ranking points. The event is actually one of the richer ones sole-santioned by the Asian Tour. A failure to provide appropriate context can itself be misleading and unencyclopedic, and most readers will need guidance in this case. There is nothing in the restored version which is not beyond reasonable dispute. ReeseM 06:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you do this and still maitain and POV tone?  The earlier edit did not manage to do this, so maybe give it another try. Crunch 12:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: paragraph deleted by author Joseph N Hall 09:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making the cut, Se Ri Pak, etc. 

message: The external links section has been organized and cleaned up in accordance with Wikipedia: External links. Crunch 20:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: According to Honolulu Star-Bulletin, graduation at Punahou School was yesterday, on June 2, 2007.   We don't know whether Michelle attended her graduation, but we need to change the part where it says "She is scheduled to graduate...".--Endroit 21:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...And it looks like Crunch fixed this section in like 5 minutes, since my last message.  Thank you, Crunch.--Endroit 21:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michelle just graduated from high school 

message: The table showing Michelle Wie's performance in the major tournaments shows her as the "LA" (low amateur) for three of the four majors in 2006. However, other parts of the article indicated that she turned pro late in the 2005 season, so she could not have been the low amateur at a 2006 tournament. Is this just an error, or am I missing something? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it.  I'm assuming it's an error. --Crunch (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  LPGA majors performance 

message: There have been several edits asserting that Wie is a dual citizen of the Untied States and South Korea (the Republic of Korea). None of these have been accompanied by any valid citations indicating that this is true. The sole citation was this:  Civic treatment of those with dual nationality.  Please note that is merely a document stating the Korean government's policy for dual citizenship, not stating that Wie is a dual citizenship.   If you can find a valid and legitimate citation showing that Michelle Wie holds dual citizenship, by all means please include it. In the meantime, please do not fabricate information on Wikipedia. I would also add that given all the media coverage around the globe with regard to Miss Wie and her career covering nearly a decade, if she were a dual US-South Korean citizen, such information would be most likely be widely reported. --Crunch (talk) 02:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A year and a half have passed without any references or documentation following up on the citizenship claims. This section will be deleted unless someone can provide citations. --Crunch (talk) 17:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual citizenship is not documented 

message: michelle Wie is a very good girl in school and especially in golf since she was 4 she played GOLF. I bet it would really fun to play at tournaments, games, and championships.she was born on October 11. And she also began to play in 1994  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.112.9 (talk) 22:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michelle Wie Turning Professional 

message: The current lede seems quite brief. It should probably be expanded to mention some of her amateur achievements and the amount of hype she received early in her pro career, as well as the fact that she has been an underachiever which has lead to critics labeling a her career a disappointment. Richard (talk) 06:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  lede suggestion 

message: Should the article now reflect the 2009 article in the New York Times. What do people think? MATThematical (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say yes, it should be given a mention. If nothing else, it shows why she slumped so badly in 2007, and is only now recovering. Giants2008 (17–14) 01:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the one at the top of the talk page MATThematical (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrist Injury Claim 

message: Please prove that Bubbles is anything other than a pejorative nickname used by some of Michelle Wie's critics. I have tagged the addition as needing a citation. It will be removed if a reliable citation is not found. --Crunch (talk)
:A user has added this source, however the nickname is contained in the readers' posts not the text itself. WP:BLP states that "Posts left by readers are never acceptable as sources", therefore I have removed this. January talk 19:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bubbles 

message: I think the section "Professional record and earnings outside of LPGA membership" should be changed to "Professional record outside of LPGA Tour" (it's a terribly long section title) and all the LPGA entries (2005-2008) eliminated. These made sense before she was a LPGA member. Then, they were not readily available on the LPGA site. Her complete career LPGA record (member and non-member) is now available here. - Tewapack (talk) 19:23, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed table shortening 

message: I removed the Rolex Rankings column from the LPGA Tour career summary.  The LPGA Tour career summary shows specifically the results from LPGA Tour tournaments during each year.  Rolex Rankings are not part of LPGA Tour results and are not calculated on a yearly basis.  If the Rolex Rankings are to be included in this article, it should be in a separate section. --Crunch (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Rolex Ranking from LPGA Tour career summary section 

message: What swear word did Wie use at the 2012 HSBC?  I thought Wikipedia didn't censor, but the article just calls it a "four-letter expletive". -- 24.212.139.102 (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the references cited, she said, "fucking idiot." --Crunch (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swear Word 

message: This article gives undue weight to controversies, poor and average performances. It reeks of POV from an earlier time when Wie was a controversial figure. We need to delete a lot from this article so that a reasonable amount of weight focuses on information and accomplishments compared to controversies, some of which are from minority views. My point about summarizing slumps and controversies from 2009 is even more relevant now. The article still reads too much like a play by play and hence gives undue weight to poor performances, when compared to other athletes. For example the quotes by Wie section is a pretty extreme example of POV. If something is notable enough that it warrants a section in controversies it should be moved there. MATThematical (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversies existed, even though time has passed. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a current news report only reporting what is most recent.  It is important to document all notable aspects of her career and life. --Crunch (talk) 11:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

text: And having said that, I have updated some of the Controversy section to put the events in historical perspective. --Crunch (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course controversies should be included. The problem wasn't the inclusion of controversies, it was the undue weight controversies were given in relation to other information. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a current news report only reporting what is most recent" Duh! I never said controversies should be removed. I said the article should summarize slumps and non-notable average play, shouldn't give undue weight to minority opinions, and shouldn't repeat itself. If we are going to have a controversies section, controversies should be talked about there. By double dipping on many of the controversies (by describing them in the LPGA tour play sections) we create undue weight. I'm not sure why you keep on insinuating that I am deleting history. I am just cleaning up the article, so it reads from a neutral point of view. MATThematical (talk) 16:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV discussion 

message: I think it would be informative to add a discussion about all the experimentation that Michelle has been doing in recent years, which has created some unorthodox techniques that are probably not even fundamentally sound.  According to Golf Channel announcers, she is basically informing her instructor, David Ledbetter, of all the new swing changes she has decided to make, and then he helps her (somewhat) with those changes.  She has essentially become a self-taught golfer, which is almost never a good thing, unless you were Ben Hogan.  Look what happened to Tiger, when he decided to ditch his teachers, and become a self-taught golfer, for a while.  His career nose-dived.
I think this experimentation goes a long way toward explaining why Michelle hasn't won, since 2014.  And IMO it has resulted in her becoming the most over-hyped player in golf, in recent years, simply because she is not the golfer she used to be.  At one time, she deserved all the hype she got.  But she is no longer that same golfer, and it is not even close.  Everything about her golf game is different, starting with her full swing.  If she played like she plays today, for her entire career, her Wikipedia page would be just a few paragraphs long, if she even had a Wikipedia page.  IMO, she is currently on a path toward POSSIBLY becoming the Bobby Clampett of women's golf, by destroying her own game thru paralysis by analysis.  (That is what happened to my own golf game, so I know a little about this subject.)  2001:558:6043:C:BC74:3561:2ABA:7508 (talk) 10:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions For Editors 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 07:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Michelle Wie →  – This is the name the subject is overwhelmingly referred to as by RSes following her marriage in 2019 (search "Michelle Wie" in Google News, for example). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 March 2021 

message: Should "Wie West" or "Wie" be used in-body after Wie West's marriage? The reason I'm asking is because "Wie" is still being used in the "Personal life" section for content about her pregnancy which is after her marriage, but "Wie West" is being used in the very last sentence of the "LPGA membership (2009–2022)" section. It might be a good idea going forward to establish a consensus on which to use to aid those adding content from hereon. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Just want to update that the uses of "Wie" in the "Personal life" section were replaced by "she", which works fine; however, it might still be a good idea to figure out which to use when new content about her life after getting married is added. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wie West" vs "Wie"