Talk:Portrayal of women in video games

message: This article is in desperate need of a rewrite. It contains only examples without any information about the role of female characters in video games, their perception by players and non-players, or comparisions to portrayals in other media.
It's certainly an interesting topic to cover, as I think video games are about the least sexist medium of entertainment, but this article is lacking any kind of quality. Either it is done well, or it should not be covered at all. Because as mentioned, it reads rather sexist against male players and game developers.
I've only recently begun exploring the contribution side of Wiki, but I was excited to find this group, and this article project in particular. I'll work up a decent write up as quickly as I can. Before I hear any groans about n00bs - let me explain: 
1) I'm a fulltime freelance writer
2) I have earned my BA in English with a focus on writing and literary theory, heavily focusing on gender criticism
3) I am female
4) I have been a gamer as long as I can remember (first managing job was even at a video game store - Rhino)
5) I have already partially researched this topic for other works
Is there anyone willing to work with me a bit if I have any questions on the technical side of things? --LissaRhys (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite needed

message: The article contains the heading "Positive portayals" and this is a violation of our NPOV principle because it does not say according to whom these portayals are positive and under what criteria.  The header should be changed to read "non-sexist portayals" (if we can find such a source) or "Uncontroversial portayals" or something which does not indicate moral judgement by Wikipedia editors.  We are here to document what other sources say, and if no source say that these portayals are positive then we shouldn't say so.  NerdyNSK (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive according to whom? 

message: The statement that Duke Nukem encourage players to kill women is totally, totally wrong. The game in fact punished players for harming women characters in the game, usually in the form of having an impossible amount of enemies teleport in. 
While Duke Nukem may have pushed objectification of women, it never, EVER encouraged violence towards them. GrimmC (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Duke Nukem

message: Am surprised this is a stub (given the number of gamers we have on wikipedia). Added various roles and instances (from memory) of female characters under the "roles" section. May be a list could be made ? Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think this article is pretty ambiguous. Maybe it should be changed to "Controversy over female objectification in video games" or something like that. That way it could apply more towards sources' opinions rather than making it unclear whether the opinions of Wikipedia editors are influencing the article. There's no such thing as positive and negative portrayals, for example Samus Aran was in a bikini in the first game and yet was also praised for being a powerful heroic female protagonist.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of moving it, I think it should just be redirected to Video game controversy#Gender, where there isn't much information about the subject.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I could easily agree to that, that goes along with something else raised on this page, what about objectification of men in video games? This is a gender issue too! For example, what about all the games depicting men as brainless muscle men, and so forth. A more general gender portrayal mention is something I am in favour of. Though I would want it be done in such a way that a lot of the information in this page is not lost. Comrade Graham (talk) 11:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think there is no such thing as a "positive portrayal" in that all the controversy stems from the negative portrayals. Any normal portrayal could be thought of a positive one. We have to draw the line somewhere - while one person may believe that a blade-wielding warrior woman would be a positive portrayal, another might argue that it presents women as cold and ruthless. However, negative portrayals such as outright objectification or violence towards them are more easy to quantify and add to the controversy article.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: List?

message: Both IGN and Gamespot I believe wrote articles addressing the complaints from some feminists groups that have complained about the portrayal of females in DNF. Maybe this should be included in this article. ScienceApe (talk) 01:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, Duke Nukem portrayal of women is high-profile. I'm sure we will found sources for the original games too. Diego Moya (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is fair, especially since reviewers who enjoyed Duke Nukem 3D have even complained - for example Ars Technica's review. Technopeasant (talk) 06:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should mention the controversy surrounding Duke Nukem Forever's portrayal of women 

message: http://www.gamesradar.com/fair-game-for-girls/ --194.145.185.229 (talk) 11:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  GamesRadar feature article on the subject 

message: Do you think we should also expand on the "jiggle physics" feature of female video game characters? It's a very common trend nowadays to give female characters large breasts that bounce, sway, and make various other random movements. Also, when I added in a "breast bounce" video game concept article, it was later removed. Why was it removed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.7.142 (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jiggle physics"  

message: http://madartlab.com/2011/12/14/fantasy-armor-and-lady-bits/ ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 11:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article - Fantasy Armor and Lady Bits 

message: #The descriptions are horrible - even just plain false or retarded. Like "Rookie member of a Police Special Tactics department, and later protagonist in a sequel" - it's STARS (Special Tactics and Rescue Team) of the RPD (Raccoon City Police Department)and Zero is a prequel (isn't it obvious???). Yuna is not that much "involved in a pilgrimage", as in SAVING THE WORLD (that's what she is supposed to do). And so on. Maybe you should actually read the articles (if not play the games), and then write some coherent descriptions?
#Why are the fighting vidya characters grouped together?? Do you fighting they have no personalities and stories and are only beating up each other as "female fighters"? Most of them are much more deeper than, say, Dark Queen or Yordac (btw, Yorda has no article, and no wonder).
#Why are they listed so randomly? The first few are in alphabetical order alright, then there's no apparent order at all!
Also, I added several more articles in the meantime. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, do you absolutely have any idea what you are talking about? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The descriptions are horrible  

message: It has been proposed (not by me, although I support the idea) that Gender representation in video games  be merged here. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:30, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal