Talk:Pennine Way

message: Why does the PW start at Edale? Alfred Wainwright in his PW guide comments that it would have been a much finer start, and more logical, to be at Dovedale, right at the base of the Pennines. It's interesting to note that the new Pennine Bridleway starts much further down the Peak District. In retrospect it seems to me that the Edale start was  influenced by the need, immediately pre and post WW2, to make a strong case for walking access over the Kinder/Bleaklow grouse moors. Linuxlad 08:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming in a little late, should have spotted this before. Some years ago, I was told by a couple of people I walked with, who had been involved in the trespass, that the Edale start was as you say Linuxlad, it was a symbolic starting point and represented the original gathering point. These old timers also held the opinion that the Pennines as such run out at Edale and the bit going south to Dovedale is not in fact the Pennines but Derbyshire Dales... geologically a transition from the Pennine grits to the dales limestones..... High Peak to White Peak..........take your pick on that one. But makes some sort of sense.  Geotek (talk) 15:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pennine Way & Pennine Bridleway

message: I was interested in the addition about Performance art, though can't find enough external references to justify reverting its deletion.  But in case the book actually gets published (can't trace it in Amazon or www.copac.ac.uk as yet), here's the text which was removed:
*Movement artists, Tamara Ashley and Simone Kenyon, performed the entire length of the trail in August 2006. Their book documents the performance and invites readers to create their own interpretations of the landscapes along the way.
and the book ref provided (tidied up a bit):
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And here's one solid external reference:
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PamD (talk) 10:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that is a good reference. I've re-added on the info + the above citation. --JD554 (talk) 10:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I was looking for a 2nd ext ref, as it had been deleted the once, but if you're happy with this one then that's fine by me! I've changed the book ref to the above slightly better-formatted version. PamD (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance art 

message: For quite some time you got a pint  from AW - I certainly drank two halves ('you're entitled to a second' said the landlord encouragingly) back in '74. Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 19:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wainwright's Beer

message: Does the map added today actually improve the article? I suggest that a map showing the path, on a whole-of-England outline map, would be more informative.  This one also distorts the layout of all the text. PamD (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It gives a feel for the route, but as it stands is of little use as there is no was to get an enlarged view to be able to see any detail, and nothing to locate it in England. Keith D (talk) 12:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map- useful in this format? 

message: Added map.  Will try to get back to check location name links ASAP.  Can't figure out how to stop label wrapping (e.g. Horton-in-Ribblesdale does not display propertly so shortened to Horton).  Can't figure out how to reduce the displayed map area to restrict to just the route, rather then the whole of Northern England.  Would be good to add other towns and features mentioned in text using distinguishing colours from overnight stops. Diggers2004 (talk) 01:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stop the wrap by using template . Keith D (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Or an HTML non-breaking space ( ). I've tweaked the map a little, only for aesthetic reasons. Dave.Dunford (talk) 14:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: There is several short form references to Collins in the article but there is no entry giving the full details of the book. Can anyone supply the details? Thanks. Keith D (talk) 23:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Collins wrote the earlier edition of the Cicerone guide.  This diff was when he was edited out.  Ideally, someone needs to replace the cites with equivalents in Dillon, but in the meantime the old edition could be added to the Further reading section.--Mhockey (talk) 01:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Something's got to be wrong: if the article cites info from the earlier ed, then the ref needs to point to it; page numbers etc may well be different in new edition, so the old ed is necessary. Statements cited may even have changed. I'm not that familiar with the short form ref system, but is there a missing list of books to which the refs should refer? It shouldn't surely depend on the books being mentioned in "Further Reading" (of course this latter section should be updated for new eds, but that's not the same as the sourcing of the article). PamD 08:45, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've read Help:Shortened footnotes and added a "References" section with the three works which are cited using short refs. It would be nice to go through their inline refs and change them to use the full linked system... have done so for the first Poucher ref, just to see how it works. Might come back and do more, no time right now. PamD 09:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided I had time ... all sfn refs templatised. Now really must go out and catch a train! PamD 09:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking the trouble to convert to the linked short references and supplying the missing book detail. Keith D (talk) 12:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Collins

message: Substituted at 02:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: OK, how long is it? Lead and infobox disagree.
*Wainwright in his companion has 270 miles.
*National Trails website says 268 miles, and on another page (here, click on "About" and "What is") it says "268 mile (429 Km) ".  Wikipedia's "convert" disagrees with that conversion:  comes up as . In reverse, 
*Ramblers gives it as "268 miles (429km)"
*LDWA say "404 km / 251 miles "! What short cut did they take?
*Pennine Way Association say "The Pennine Way according to the official guide book is 256 miles (412kms) long.
Interesting. We need to decide on one figure for lead and infobox, but perhaps also add a section on the various distances offered. Has it been extended by any route changes over the years? What figure does the National Trails guidebook give, I wonder? PamD 13:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The front cover of the current one says 268 miles. PamD 13:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length