Talk:Pita

message: It maybe is a little  complicate for normal Americans but I hoped Wikipedia people had done a little research.
Pita is a name for almost every flatbread that exist in the word.Pita is a general word in most countries (like soup in English).
The word pita is older that most people think in the Plutus by Aristophanes in 3rd cent. B.C. is used for the bread as a side dish but also as bread filled with jam before baked(almost a pie).Most people I asked in my life tell me the word is older than that, but everyone agrees that the name was spread in middle east and most of the wold by Great Alexander's Conquest. There are some documents for this.
In Greece the word itself it still used for any type of pie but the flatbread we warp our kebabs or (pork)gyros to make souvlaki is called "Eλληνική Πίτα" (Greek pita) because kebab is actually arabic word and recipy but that type of flatbread is called Elliniki pita overthere in Arabia.
* Arabic pita is the original one with the pocket usually filled with falafel of beef gyros.
* The pita in the picture on a conveyor belt is Islaely type.
* The Greek pita is the one which is the one that has a soft, chewy texture and is pocketless.
* Also khubz is also called Irakish pita in arabia and Irak. 
* Pita chips, oh come on people, it is just tortilla chips with wheat flower insead of corn.
--Yes we all use the name of our countries to distinguish what type of pita we are talking about but each of us when we say pita is always the type of pastry we make most in our houses.Yes peple still use flour a lot 
* Also pita not the same with peeta (not to be confused with Peeta ) but relative its Norwegian pita, soft and chewy, like the Greek one. that's all plz correct any field that is needed.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.148.77 (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: One name for every pastry

message: Any chance we can split these 3 categories into seperate articles. Anyone know the best way to do this? Pita as in the bread has the most links coming here, maybe the other two could be redirected?
--Greg Godwin 07:17, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Article split

message: PITA also can be an English abbreviation for 'Pain In The Ass.' It is slang and is usually found in internet chat between friends.
PITA is also the acronym for "Pipeline Integrity Technology Associates"
Note: This is only valid to English speaking people; The word "pita" in many other languages means bread or flatbread.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillosaurus (talk • contribs) 00:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Abbreviations

message: Kmaj redirects here, yet the name is not mentioned in the article. --Dweller 14:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kmaj

message: FWIW, there was once (early 1970s) an establishment in Van Nuys, California whose primary offering was the 'Taco Italiano'; essentially Italian sub sandwich ingredients in a pita. This was shortly before the pita became widely available. LorenzoB 00:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sandwichness

message: Section 'eating habits' has some broken wikicode and associated text that I was unable to discern how it was intended to be read and linked. Can anyone figure it out and fix it? First case seems to be a broken link to 'greens (vegetable)' , but it gets unreadable at that point for me. --M.A. 21:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken wikicode 

message: Just wondering whether there should be more pictures, for the younger generations, you know, that don't know what pita bread looks like.Orangesandlemons 19:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That leading picture is NOT what is usually understood by pita - it is what in Lebanon I know a ma'ouk [spelling a guess] - plain flatbread, no pocket. Pita, with pocket, is not made in the way that picture shows. --Dumarest 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The current article indicates that pita is not known by many of the current inhabitants of this world, and more pictures are needed. Somehow I doubt this, it is ubiquitous all over U.S. and that question is irrelevant - although a more relevant picture may be needed I will correct or fix in some sense if no objection. --Dumarest 21:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pita understanding 

message: its a sort of dessert over here..  very popular, i think its a kind of pita/pie type thing (probably not the traditional Arabic thing)  most likely brought up here by the Turks in the middle  ages Tyriel 19:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's also in Slovenia 

message: I split the etymology section, retaining all of the content. Much of that section seemed to be arguing about the origin of the bread, rather than the etymology of the word 'pita'; the etymology part had some sources, the origin of bread pieces have none, which is a recipe for an edit war. Splitting might give the sourced part some stability. Hopefully someone can help with the rest? --Bazzargh (talk) 00:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, idk much about how to start a talk, and this section looks the most relatable, please forgive me if it's not correct to type it here. So I have a question about the etymology of pitta, which as you'll see raises a series argument. If the word pitta is of ancient greek origin, how can it be a loanword from the turkish pide at the same time. somethings not right here and i bet it has to do with the job done in the work that is placed  as reference 2A02:587:DA41:7B00:3CCA:C42F:B446:3D36 (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: In line with the following quoted from WP:Categorization and also with action taken over at Hummus, I have taken the axe to he very long list of categories.
"An article will often be in several categories. Restraint should be used as categories become less effective the more there are on any given article. Use the  tag if you feel the article is in too many categories." 
--Peter cohen (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many categories 

message: The Oxford English Dictionary, second edition, unabridged says that it is of Peruvian origin, this word "pita," and that it dates back to 1608, and that it's a Spanish word. I think that's what it says. It's kind of hard to read in my edition without getting out the magnifying glass and I already put the book up and don't feel like getting it out again.  
'pitta'? 
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS291&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+pita
I don't know where they get Middle Eastern, or "Arab," or even Greek, actually. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.119.33 (talk) 05:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peru? 

message: I see that the reference re a pita bread recipe is back in the edit war stage - put it in - take it out. Will peace ever come? --Dumarest (talk) 12:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pita bread recipe 

message: Pide is a Turkish word from central Asia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.179.74.34 (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Why is the picture, and link section on the right all about pizza?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.203.204 (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comment below. Acalamari 15:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pizza? 

message: I have removed the box of links related to pizza. I don't think it belongs on this page.Jimjamjak (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I only added it because Template:Pizza linked to this article, so I assumed it would be convenient to add it. If the template doesn't belong here, why is the article linked on the template? Acalamari 15:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That question really belongs on the talk page for the template, not here. Looking at the template, it basically has a See also section, which makes enough sense for the template, I suppose, given that pita and pizza are like distant cousins. But I don’t think that everything listed on a template needs to have that template on its page. If you’re looking at all aspects of pizza, it makes sense to include the related dishes, but it doesn’t follow that if you’re looking at one of the related dishes, you’d want to include all aspects of pizza. -- Irn (talk) 02:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This was my thinking in removing it. I would add that just because pita is a kind of bread, it would not follow that we want a template for bread on the page.Jimjamjak (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of pizza information box

message: Back to a name war? The reference to 'pita' as the name of this bread with 'pitta' as an alternate has just now been changed to 'pitta' with 'pita' as an alternate. At least the name of the article could not be changed, and if the article is in fact 'Pita' then the 'pitta' should revert to being alternate. --Dumarest (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on consistency. Either spelling is legitimate but Google gives more for pita whether one searches for it on its own, with bread or with bread immediately following. Of my dictionaries, Chambers gives "pitta" as primary, OED gives "pita" both list the alternates. I've not got a packet in the house and can't be bothered to thumb through recipe books. I would tend to vote against moving. I think it should be treated similarly to other spelling and stylistic variations (British v US, BC/AD v BCE/CE etc.) where possession is none tenths of the law and where those who try to change it should be strongly discouraged.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pita - Pitta

message: Recent edit results in the following on the site. The picture is identified as a pita with artichoke hummus, but the caption differs from the apparent picture as defined by its name. Is that artichoke hummus on that pita, and I think that the image and the caption should agree.--Dumarest (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The source of the picture  is attached to a recipe that calls for artichoke hummus. I don't think we need be too detailed about the topping. At present everything apart form the lemon thyme gets a mention, but surely we can just say that the pits is being used as a base for a meat and hummus dish?. It would be nice to have another picture illustrating pita being used as a pocket - whih is how most Brits will encounter it in a kebab shop.--Peter cohen (talk) 19:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Humus - Artichoke hummus

message: Shakshouka is an appetizer made with "eggplants" and tomatoes. it's not an omelette, and it certainly does not have eggs in it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keepeast (talk • contribs) 10:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean Aubergines? 86.27.115.115 (talk) 15:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shakshouka 

message: I notice that Israeli cuisine has been added and removed while Turkish and Greek cuisines are still there and various other Arab and Balkan countries were not there at all (at least in the period I'm looking at). We need some consitency. Anyone have views on all in versus all out versus objective criteria for selecting exceptions to an all out rule?--09:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Levantine Cuisine should be added.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also - XXX Cuisine 

message: The "related" subjects don't seem to be very related to me e.g. gibanica, blintz etc. What's the rationale behind their inclusion?Jimjamjak (talk) 10:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related articles 

message: At the very end of the article, it says that Sabich is a dish unique to Israel, in fact its an Iraqi dish brought by Iraqi jews and eaten many places is the middle east, the dish also exist in Greece but with a different name  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.120.62 (talk) 00:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This part is incorrect 

message: This text needs some improving. For example:
"each housewife prepares a pita and decorates it with symbols to bring fertility to the cattle and a rich harvest from the fields, as well as prosperity to each member of the household."
:Rather suggests that all "housewives" do this. I imagine a lot of Bulgarian women work in other "occupations" than that of housewife. There is also a suggestion that everyone is somehow worried about cattle and harvests - slightly out-of-date perception of Bulgarian here in my opinion.
"She hides a nickel in it."
:An American or Canadian coin? Seems pretty unlikely to me.
Anyone fancy tidying it up? Jimjamjak (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgaria 

message: The etymology of the English word pita is a matter of controversy (see ). The existence of several similar words in medieval times that mean "thin flat bread" makes the etymology given in this Wikipedia article seem highly dubious.--84.111.117.111 (talk) 12:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: OED does not refer to any Byzantine origin, in fact explains how unlikely the origin can be as suggested by Greek etymologists.
http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/144674?rskey=pEpref&result=2&isAdvanced=false#eid  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.248.140.221 (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the word, false reference

message: I have no idea what this means, and considered editing to remove the kind of baker, but I really have no real knowledge of such a term and it may be real -- information anyone? (Dumarest (talk) 18:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone keeps trying to reinsert it. Google only shows Wikipedia for this term, and if it is a real term, it's certainly not English, anyway, and equally unhelpful for an English encyclopedia article. -- Irn (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Turker-zver huyasos baker

message: The article states: "Its history extends far into antiquity, since flatbreads in general, whether leavened or not, are among the most ancient breads, requiring no oven or utensils to make.". But it then goes on to describe how it requires an oven - and a very hot one - to make. This is a bit confusing, and the article would benefit from clarity on this subject, if anyone has the competence to add it. Nick Michael (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the "no oven..." part. I guess that it is possible to make it without an oven but nothing in the article or references I saw confirms that. Bhny (talk) 16:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in the article 

message: The article History of pizza maintains in its etymology section, that pizza and pita are cognates. If so - and it's not entirely clear to me - the Pita article would be improved by the addition of this fact. Nick Michael (talk) 08:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology: cognate with pizza? 

message: I noticed the Language box did not link to the Arabic article. I was going to link it up, but they don't actually have one. They have an article on matza and naan, but oddly not on the most common type of bread. The article khubz (خبز) doesn't even mention pita that much. Very odd. 96.251.15.7 (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic Article

message: Balashon - Hebrew Language Detective: pita. I think this brings another insight on the etymology. Komitsuki (talk) 06:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Balashon 

message: Gooogle search results, 'pita': 67.500.000 while 'pide': 123.000.000, nearly 2x.   kazekagetr 16:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Pitta/pita is the word used in English. Also, that's a useless metric, and I don't think I need to explain why. Alakzi (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  renaming to 'pide' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] 

message: The articles Pita and Khubz should either be merged or the content regarding "Arabic bread" in Pita should be moved to Khubz. I'm not sure which is better. --Tisanophile (talk) 05:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. I actually can't think of any reason why a merge would be appropriate as neither the words nor the actual breads are the same, nor do they have the same geographic extension. Pittas are widespread as snack and fast food breads in the Western world, which Khubz is not. Further, pittas are made and eaten across a region that includes non-Arab countries such as Greece, Turkey and Israel. I just looked at Pita and found very little about "Arabic bread", but there is no question that pittas are found in Arab countries also. You are probably right that "Arabic Bread" should not be highlighted in boldface in Pita but that is not a merger issue. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  How are they different? Arabic Wikipedia article of (or, at least, inter-wiki-linked to) pita says the bread is called "Arabic khubz ()". The etymology section of the pita article says other names [of pita] are simply خبز 'khubz, bread' or الخبز العربي 'Arab bread' or خبز الكماج 'al-kimaj bread' --Tisanophile (talk) 08:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read what I said about geographic extension and usage, which demonstrates clear difference. You cannot rely on what Arabic Wikipedia or any other Wikipedia says, you must rely on cited sources which are in short supply in all these articles (and that is the problem that needs fixed): see WP:RS and WP:V. But even if in Arabic the two were identical, they still would be different in other regions across the world. In Greece, Turkey, Germany, America pita is a recognised thing, khubz probably not. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know whole lot of Middle Eastern and European flatbreads (I'm East Asian), but as I said the articles should either be merged (if "pita" and "khubz" are different names of the same bread category, as the pita article and its cited references say) or properly separated (if the breads are different as you said) by removing the khubz-related content from the pita article. Which do you think is a better idea? --Tisanophile (talk) 08:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you not read? I have explained twice now that these terms have differing extension, even if they overlap in one region of the world (and in some Arab countries like Morocco, the words do not mean the same thing, I believe). If you think an article needs editing, edit it. That's all from me. Bye. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the notice as you requested, but I still recommend you to comment on content rather than on other contributors. Clearly, I'm waiting for the discussion to close before I edit. --Tisanophile (talk) 09:51, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The section about the pita from Cyprus seems inaccurate to me. Firstly the shape is usually oblong or oval not round, and traditionally it is made in a big outdoor stone oven, although these days many people use conventional oven on a high setting with a bread stone (some people will even grill them). The main difference between the Cyprus version and your average pocket pita seems to be the shape as well as a healthy amount of olive oil added to the flour which gives it a nice flavor. It's also worth noting that the ones made in a skillet referenced in the Cyprus paragraph of this article article are what I would call a 'Greek Pita' (recipe here) has no pocket and is usually rolled and not stuffed like the Cypriot version.
Here is a recipe which seems nearly identical to how I was taught to make them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.133.69 (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyprus Pita

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Roti pita. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 7#Roti pita until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  signed, Rosguill talk 18:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Roti pita" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Read to the end
Hi live in the UK but I am from Greece I have been living in England for my hole life but I can speek Greek and I say pita bread, bita bread and people make fun of me. (the reason why we say bita bread is we pronounce the b as a p( 86.18.93.86 (talk) 11:38, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry I am greek 

message: To lump and redirect all pita or flat breads such as Lebanese Bread into this one tiny article — and then not mention them — is whitewashing. The differences  — to put it in terms anglos might better understand — is like comparing hotdog rolls to sliced bread, except with thousands of years of different cultures behind each one. Anonapop (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pita is too general/whitewashed a term 

message: Were the Israeli Hebrew word pita of "Classical Hebrew" origin, it would be stressed on the final syllable, but the fact that stress falls on the penultimate syllable points to Judezmo and Yidish as its immediate sources. Details here:
Gold, David L. 1989. "Another look at Israeli Hebrew pita 'flat bread': a borrowing from Judezmo and Yiddish." Romance Philology. Vol. 42. No.3. February. Pp. 276-278. S. Valkemirer (talk) 19:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli Hebrew pita does not come from "Classical Hebrew..."