Talk:Iyer/Archive 1

message: I don't think a section on 'Iyer Food' is required. The vegetarian diet of Iyers has been described in Traditional Iyer Ethics section.-Ravichandar84 07:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Iyer#Iyer_Food|Iyer Food]] 

message: Somebody added these names to the list:
*Satyamurthy (Indian freedom fighter and former Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu state) 
*Sir CV Raman Nobel laureate and physicist 
*Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (Nobel laureate and physicist) 
*M S Swaminathan (Indian agriculturist and proponent of the Green Revolution in India)
Could you provide some documentation that these people are, in fact, Iyers?   They do not carry the name Iyer. Davidcannon 11:14, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added by Chancemill. AFAIK, all these people are Iyers. And I'm sure Chancemill may not be wrong as he is much aware of this community. FYI, some people used to drop the Iyer suffix--moreover it is not necessary that a person's name should consist Iyer; Iyer is a caste or community just like Jews. HTH. --Rrjanbiah 11:49, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for answering my question; I'm satisfied now:-)Davidcannon 02:04, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Rrjanbiah is right. I too know the last 3 to be Iyers (I think Swaminathan is a distant relative of mine :-). These days very few people keep the name because of the casteist implications. Arvindn 02:58, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Iyers

message: What is the significance of bulleted vs. unbulleted items here in the section on related ethnic groups? Can some one make this clearer, either by reformatting or by adding text? -- Jmabel 16:28, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Rrjanbiah 10:06, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: Is it wrong for an Iyer to fall in love with a Tamil of a different caste? (An Iyer male or female falling in love with a Tamil non-Iyer female or male, respectively) -- 68.20.3.253
:According to the caste system, not only Iyer, but for anyone (belongs to any caste) to marry person of different caste is wrong. --Rrjanbiah 05:41, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Stigma 

message: Would this be more better classified under :Category:Social groups of India instead of :Category:Indian culture Alren 17:31, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This has to be under :Category:Caste, which is already done. --Rrjanbiah 19:58, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Group? 

message: User:Hemanshu, Mani Shankar Aiyar is probably referred to as Aiyar in the (north ?) Indian tradition of referring to people by their family names. Any member of the Aiyar community could potentially be referred to as "Aiyar", I guess. I don't see how this is particularly relevant. Ambarish 02:54, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is relevant because somebody may want to find out who is being referred to by that name... he is often referred to simply as Aiyar. It was meant to be like a disambiguation. --Hemanshu 03:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, didn't see this until now. But you see, just about any member of the community who uses the name could be referred to using "Aiyar". For instance, see list at Iyer#Some notable Iyers. Do you want to add all their names as disambiguations? Ambarish 03:07, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mani Shankar Aiyar]]

message: Recent anonymous edits have (without comment or discussion) removed all mention of northern origin and migration to the south. I have no idea of the facts of the case, I just want to make the change visible. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:16, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
: Thanks. I've reverted some of them, and edited others. The migration theory exists, although controversial. The article makes exactly that point, so removing the text is untenable. Ambarish 03:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from the migration controversy, I see some valid points in his edits. Especially, Iyer<-Ayya<-Aryan explanation is too weird. --Rrjanbiah 05:10, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why don't you go ahead and re-add them? It's possible that in my reversion, I've removed out some valid points. I reverted the Anon edits because there was no reason for mass deletion of information. ::: Regarding Iyer -> Ayya -> Aryan: the etymological connection between Iyer/Iyengar and Ayya is well-known. The English spellings might mask the link, but if you write the words in Tamil, it's quite apparent. As for Ayya deriving from Arya, I'm not so sure. However, without proof, I'd object to removing the existing content - it was added by User:KRS and there's no reason to believe that she did not know what she was doing. My 2 paise, Ambarish 07:15, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: The root word of அய்யா is அய்யன்--which precedes Aryans or Sanskrit influence. I'll be happy to see the reference(s) for current reasoning. FWIW, this reminds me of a brahmin group which claimed that Sanskrit is the parent language on the earth, but lost the battle--unless that is true, this explanation doesn't fit. --Rrjanbiah 17:54, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  migration? 

message: Is there a definition for this word orthopraxy ? viyyer 17:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  orthopraxy 

message: The mutts and Gurus Iyers follow should come under "Spiritual belief" section,and not in the section on "Iyers Today".So I have moved the content.
--Harishsubramanian 06:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganizing some content 

message: A discussion on Iyers has to include a discussion on their rituals,ceremonies and festivals.
I have added this section.
--Harishsubramanian 08:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rituals,Ceremonies and festivals 

message: It never is mentioned,that Aryan Invasion theory is based upon indirect interpretations,but there is no written work directly indicating any form of invasion.The historians in favour of the theory gladly omit this fact,because then the effectiveness of the theory is reduced.
I have also seen some sites which claim that Iyers believe in the Aryan theory.This may be true of some,but most Iyers who believe in tradition do not accept this at all.This current debate on Aryan or Dravidian race has started only a century ago.Traditional tamils,have been extremely friendly with Iyers,and do not seem to have recorded any kind of invasion by Iyers.In fact Iyers who came down to the interior belts of Tamil Nadu,from neighbouring regions
were actually welcomed by Tamil Kings and given land for the services performed.There was no invasion or superimposition on someone's culture in this context.Even Agastya's migration does not indicate any kind of cultural invasion.Agastya is spoken in most respected terms,and even credited with origin of Tamil.Besides the sages of those times,lived and worshipped in the forests.I have therefore added ,the point on the way Iyers percieve this theory as well how ancient tamils regarded Iyers.
--Harishsubramanian 09:55, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iyers and Aryan Invasion theory 

message: I think Soundarya is not an Iyer,yet has been included in the list of Iyers.Please remove her from the list if she is not one.
Velayanur Ramachandran,Shankar are without doubt from Tamil Nadu.Please also remove them from the list in case they are not Iyers.
No offense intended to any of these people,Iyers would gladly include them among their community.
--Harishsubramanian 10:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundarya ,Velayanur Ramachandran,Shankar 

message: As I looked through this article,I realized that the original content was written by a person proud of his Iyer heritage.There were some points which were omitted.Two communities Iyengars,and Devadasis are very close to Iyers Genetically,and culturally as well.While Iyengars were a split away group of Iyers,Devadasis were never considered as Iyers,inspite of having Iyer fathers.I felt that Devadasis needed to be mentioned whenever,there was any general information on Iyers,as these women were great friends of Iyers,inspite of the way they were exploited by Iyers.In a world of hostile people,Iyers lost good friends by distancing themselves from the community.
--Harishsubramanian 07:31, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, the original content was not written by a person proud of his heritage, because it was written by a she. That said, please be bold and edit the article as you think appropriate. Secondly, the Iyengars didn't "split away"; all the three forms of Vedantic philosophy have existed for a while. Sankara, Ramanuja and Madhva merely resurrected them. Ambarish 09:09, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embarassing Points? 

message: A recent anonymous editor made some very nasty edits, bordering on hate speech. Because the next several people in here did not simply revert, it was not easy to track down and remove. I've done my best, and believe I got everything egregious. I suggest that someone more knowledgable than I on the topic should go through the article looking to see if some outright nastiness remains. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:34, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
:FWIW, in caste based division, nothing is right. If you find something as nastiness, someone else may find it right, *IMHO*. To be bold, at least I find some of the hate speech acceptable especially remark about Cho Ramasamy. --Rrjanbiah 17:44, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent nastiness 

message: I see some points being repeated.All points need to be mentioned only once.
I also suggest that certain topics can be made into new articles,with some brief information provided.Some suggestions in this regard are
1.A brief idea needs to be given that Iyers are aryans,but there are various contadictory views regarding this .Detail treatment can be given in an article titled "Origin of Iyers".
2.In the section on spiritual and philosophical beliefs,it is sufficient to mention the schools of Iyers.Each school can be described in  separate articles.
3.Iyer rituals and festivals can also be named,further description can be done in a separate article "Iyer rituals and festivals".
4.Iyer Ethics can be condensed ,but written to mention all points.
5.Famous Iyers can also be made into a new article.
--12:45, 1 August 2005 Harishsubramanian
:May I know, why have you removed "Padma Lakshmi Famous nude model who married to Salman Rushdie"? --Rrjanbiah 17:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't remove her entry, but she seems to be an Iyengar. Ambarish 18:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Counter proof --Rrjanbiah 18:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I readded her entry. Ambarish 16:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Also, I should add that we put spaces after commas and periods, not before. Nohat 18:44, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Padma Lakshmi Entry was removed by me for two reasons
1.I did not think she was an Iyer
2.Even if she is/was one,the prefix "nude",I find objectionable and not a description that can be fully applied to her.
If she is an Iyer,you may add her without the prefix nude,unless she is commonly described/or she herself describes herself as a nude model.Besides being a model,she has also done some food shows for BBC,I believe.
Harishsubramanian 07:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements required