Talk:Gran Turismo 4/Archive 1 - Nov 27, 2006

message: "Also, unlike Forza, the aftermarket wings are just for show, and do absolutely nothing to enhance your car's performance."
That's not true.  With most cars, the aftermarket wings allow you to adjust front and back downforce.  That can enhance the car's performance.
:In the game?
If previous Turismo games are any guide then yes. The player is given an advanced series of options regarding tuning the car, one of which is altering the downforce, allowing for better handling and/or cornering. The above quoted extract is likely to be untrue, unless this game deviates from all its predecessors. - Hayter 18:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wings 

message: Why is Gran Turismo 4 a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games, while Gran Turismo %28video game%29 is not?
Wouldn't it make more sense to make Gran Turismo %28video game%29 part of the project?
--SportWagon 22:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should both be part of the project as they're both games, but it's a manual task to add the template to the talk pages of articles, and GT's just been overlooked till now. There are probably others as well, given the thousands of games that have been made. - Hayter 09:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this part of the project, while the overall Gran Turismo page isn't? 

message: I went through the crits section today and reformatted the references that were already present. The way they were before may mean that some criticisms with provided references have been removed - if these go back in it should be close to the paragraph link that validates it i.e. don't cite a review once in a paragraph then go elsewhere, and return to the first review later on. Sometimes this is unavoidable but where possible, citations from the same review should be together. From now on, I'll revert any factual addition (not grammar or spelling) to the section which isn't referenced. For those unsure how to do this,
*Find your source website.
*Write the criticism into the article. 
*Follow the sentance with the referencing code, and adapt it to your link.
*Example:
Another criticism of the game is that there is no smell-o-vision support. Hayterweb article commenting on smell URL accessed January 01, 2000
You should remove the bolding that I've included above - here, it's to demonstrate that this is the text that will appear at the bottom of the article as the reference link, like follows.
# ^ Hayterweb article commenting on smell URL accessed January 01 2000
::-Hayter 13:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformatted References 

message: It seems the paragraph about the Jeremy Clarkson comparison, especially the conclusions, might benefit from citations.
Perhaps...
* http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/1/1/2265
OTOH, a web search suggests we should check for details in Gran Turismo (game)--but they don't have a citation either, though they suggest his cars weren't truly comparable.
--SportWagon 21:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for finding and adding the Youtube clip.  I'll need to find time to go through what he did to see whether he likely ended up on "sports" or "normal" tires in his PlayStation version (you can't tell from the clip).  If he used "sports" tires they're artificially sticky, and probably account for at least 5 seconds a lap.  I think he's misinterpreting what Fernando Alonso actually meant.  I'd interpret what Alonso said as "I know the layout, so I can get straight down to learning the details".--SportWagon 20:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for Jeremy Clarkson, esp. conclusions. 

message: I have some more criticisms that have been discussed many times on GT Planet.
: Articles here are supposed to be factual, and NPOV (Neutral Point-of-View).  Omission of points is seen as preferable to expressing opinions.--SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By few cars, I think you mean as competitors (ie. you don't mean as available entrants).  The points are fact.  Can you find citations other than board discussion suggesting that one or both are bad?--SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's the way the game works.  Unless a reviewer (not at a board) said that was a bad feature, it's not a valid citable criticism.  Even from GT1 many like the ability to set up arbitary challenges.  I.e to try and beat a much more powerful car.  Apart from that, you go back and get a more powerful car so you can win.  (Okay, so then maybe the powerful AI doesn't show up, which can seem silly).--SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: At this point you barely have a point-of-view there.  Previous versions of GT were criticized by some for being too easy.  The driving missions may have fixed that.--SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Other people complain about it being too easy to run into the back of that car.  I.e. that it's too slow at times.  I'm a so-so driver, and the pace car waits for me just fine.  I've silvered most such tests.  (Perhaps not Hong Kong).  But, yes, these tests probably aren't one of their better ideas.  But again, valid citations are needed for criticisms.--SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Why should a game originating from Japan be criticised for having a Japanese bias?  Shouldn't we be happy they were willing and able to share? --SportWagon 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Criticisms

message: Seriously how do you have a criticisms section?? No game is perfect. Ex. Forza and other related games dont have a criticisms section..which im sure they have their flaws. Im not a fanboy. Just get rid of it..
:Couldn't you view the fact that this article has a Criticisms section as an indication of inherent overall confidence in the game?  I.e. that it and its articles are better than the others you mention?--SportWagon 16:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abosolutely no need for criticisms. 

message: "Best game in the world award from a "Secret game player""
wtf?
* Removed already.  I call that "fannish vandalism".--SportWagon 23:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: The number of images seems to be growing without purpose.  The concern here is analogous to Quotefarm. ENeville 02:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images