Talk:Achan (biblical figure)

message: Compared the article written by user:FDuffy with Jewish Encyclopedia Achan article ) given as a source, and found that the source simply did not support many statements in the article and a complete rewrite was required. For example, the source never associates the conduct with concepts such as cleromancy etc. which were linked, states that according to Rabbinical interpretation "only the beasts were stoned", and numerous other divergences from the article claimed to be based on it. The Jewish Encyclopedia source article simply does not contain any of the statements made in a large section, moved the unsourced material to the talk page below. --Shirahadasha 11:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote article 

message: Removed the following material, which simply does not appear in the Jewish Encyclopedia article claimed as a source, material can be restored if sourced.
:Since a growing majority of archaeologists believe that the Israelite conquest of Jericho and Ai never happened (since they were already abandoned ruins at the time), this narrative is seen by most biblical scholars as an aetiological myth providing a folk etymology for Achor, at the point in the narrative where the vale of Achor is necessarily crossed. It is significant that Achan's name means one who troubles, in Hebrew, supposedly in commemoration of his crime, {and what it brought upon him; it is unlikely for a historic figure to be named in memory of an event that doesn't happen until many years after they are named, but quite plausible for a character in a folk story to be named descriptively.  
:Other scholars claim that the narrative is somewhat anachronistic in describing the garment that Achor stole as Babylonish (Hebrew Shinar) ; the time of the Israelite invasion is usually dated to the 15th or 12th centuries BC , but between 1595BC and 627BC Babylon was under foreign rule, and between 1595BC and 1155BC was not even called Babylon (it was called Karanduniash}). For this reason, most textual scholars are fairly certain that this part of the Achor narrative was written during the 7th century BC or later, and certainly not contemporary with the events it describes. It is not certain, however, that the whole Achor narrative dates from this time, as textual critics believe that the Achor narrative may have been spliced together from two earlier source texts; the words in the first part of Joshua 7:25, all Israel stoned him with stones (emphasis added) show a different style and tradition from those at the end of the verse: they stoned them with stones (emphasis added)Jewish Encyclopedia.
--Shirahadasha 12:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Perspectives 

message: Please consider renaming this article Achan, son of Carmi as per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bible#standardized_way_of_naming_articles_for_biblical_persons. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: rename article

message: This article is full of tendentious claims, but this is perhaps the oddest: "many Biblical scholars believe the judge Samuel may have put together this account from historical books from that time..."
I'm not aware of any serious Biblical scholar who would support this view.  Joshua, like Judges, Samuel, and Kings, is usually taken to be part of an Exilic or post-Exilic composition usually dubbed the "Deuteronomistic History". What its sources were may be disputed, but there's no reason to assume that the story of Achan has a monarchic basis, much less a tenth-century one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.203.100.9 (talk) 07:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deuteronomistic History 

message: There is an unnecessary repetition of a large section of text that requires editing. The paragraph that is duplicated is:
“The Book of Joshua claims that this act resulted in the Israelites being collectively punished by God, in that they failed in their first attempt to capture Ai, with about 36 Israelites lost (Joshua 7:5). The Israelites used cleromancy (the sacred Lots Urim and Thummim)[1] to decide who was to blame, and having identified Achan, stoned him, as well as his sheep, other livestock and his children to death. Their remains were burnt by the Israelites, according to the text, and stones piled on top.“ 67.71.171.184 (talk) 11:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication error - cut and paste typo?