Talk:Tirant lo Blanch

message: Most of the information contained on this page can be found in the Rosenthal translation's "Introduction"; since Rosenthal was the translator of the most recent English edition, I would assume that his words have the necessary authority. A simple statement to that effect should take care of the citation needs. I was also dismayed to find the discussion page infested with linguistic nationalism. Perhaps Rosenthal's treatment of the language question might help to shed some light. Considering those passages in the book's dedicatory preface which relate to it's language, Rosenthal says: All this information [in the previous paragraphs] may shed some light on Martorell's statement … that Tirant is translated from English into Portugese and then into 'Valencian vernacular' (that is, Catalan) (Rosenthal xiv). In other words, the translator, who may be presumed to be familiar with the Catalan language, doesn't see any difference between Valencian and Catalan at this date; indeed, Rosenthal's endnote on that passage in the book (626) reads: 'Valencian vernacular' here refers to what modern linguists would call the Valencian dialect of Catalan. Since the linguistic nationalist (further down this page), boldly signing himself with the same name as the author of Tirant, has declined to show his proofs, perhaps we may let Rosenthal have the last word here. Theonemacduff (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources 

message: * What is the source of the exact publication date? I own a copy of the book, the Rosenthal translation, and it only says that the book was published in 1490. Can someone please check this out?
* The second author of the book,  Martí Joan De Galba, was previously not mentioned in this article, and does not appear on any pages linked to this article (I know because I corrected all the redirects just now.) Can someone please make the necessary edits where they see fit?
* I added the category that says Spanish literature; I know it's not in Spanish, but since the work is from the area that is modern-day Spain, perhaps the category ought to stay, unless someone has notable objections to it. -- Simonides 08:38, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be under Catalan literature.  Doesn't that category exist?  If it doesn't, then Spanish literature will do for now.   — Chameleon My page/My talk 08:46, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: There is a category for Catalan language, but not literature. Anyway, I have changed the year of pub. because several sites confirm it is 1490; 1468 was only the year in which Martorell passed away. -- Simonides 08:51, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publication 

message: #Completely wrong your apreciations about the catalan spoken in Catalonia and the Arabic spoken in Valencia. In fact, Catalonia did not exist by that time. And there are strong proofs that in the Valencia under the muslim rule our romance was spoken widely. In any case, if the language was brought here by the conquerors, they were mainly from Aragon, and in minor quantities from Navarra, Barcelona, Urgel, Castilian and south of France. This population mixed with the valencian population wich did not abandone Valencia, (The whole population stayed here). Valencia became a mixed race city. Please, study a little more before saying your asseverations.
#This opinion yours that all is the same language is not a scientific opinion, but a political one. And the fact that you live in Langedoc explains everything. You are not neutral. Each people in the world has the right to decide the name of their language. We, in Valencia call it Lengua Valenciana since 7 centuries ago. Why in the hell must we now accept the imperialistic definitions from catalans? Because they have more money? Because they began earlier to shout and to put their name before all the world? This is a nonsense.
#THe unity of the language is evidently not a consensus between linguists. Where have you taken it from?
#You despise the vigent conception of the Valenciano in all the world.
It is clear that YOU ARE NOT NEUTRAL. YOU HAVE POLITICAL AFFINITIES THAT MAKE YOU NOT OBJETIVE, AND YOU PRETEND THEM TO BE "SCIENTIFIC". AND YOUR ASSEVERATIONS ARE BECOMING EVEN OFFENSIVE. YOU ARE NOT A VALID INTERLOCUTOR. Yo even calumniate others. The page from the german Wikipedia has been made by germans. Does your nationalism arrive to the extreme to acussate them of anti-catalans? I cannot believe so much .... (I cannot find the words).--Wikiküntscher 23:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong

message: Joanot, in removing the "Catalonia stub" from the article all you are doing is making it far harder for any editors to find this article to expand. In other words, your action is working against Wikipedia's ability to properly promote or present reasonable articles about the issue. This harms Wikipedia and - indirectly - disfavours Land of Valencia. If you think that a stub could be used for Land of Valencia, feel free to propose one at WP:WSS/P.
Besides, your deletion of Catalonia-stub is quite a non-sense. The article says  "Tirant lo Blanc is one of the most important books of Catalan literature". It's obious that there is some kind of relationship between "Catalan literature" and "Catalonia".
Of course, if a "catalan literature stub" or a "catalan language stub" were created, this stub reference should be moved from generic Catalonia to one of these ones.
You can propose the creation of such stubs. But removing the link before is an act of vandalism.
--Joan sense nick 17:36, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you're on truth. But Catalan language is related to Catalonia as to Land of Valencia too. So I think that the best choice is leave there with both stubs, until there is a more especific one almost. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 18:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub removed 

message: I moved the article to show its original spelling "Blanch" in the article's title. I see no reason to adapt the spelling to a modern one, nontheless because the original spelling is actually kept in many modern reprints. Hope this is not controversial. Mountolive  le déluge 01:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: spelling

message: This article claims that Tirant lo Blanch is a major influence on Don Quixote, and makes several other related claims, but none of them are properly referenced. I added several appropriate templates. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  As a source for Don Quixote 

message: In my text of Don Quijote (Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 21st edition, 1960), what the village priest says about Tirant el Blanco differs slightly from the English translation given in this article:
* The Lady Empress is in love not with “the” squire Hipólito but with “his” squire Hipólito.
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* The knights do not “die even doing a will” but they “die in their beds, and make a will before they die”.
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* It was not that the author “deserved to have this book written because he did not do as many silly things as to deserve to be thrown to the galleys” but “he who wrote this deserved, since he did not do so much foolery on purpose, to be sent to the galleys”.
--Hors-la-loi 15:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excerpt from Cervantes 

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