Talk:Vincent van Gogh

message: "Van Gogh's mother was a rigid and religious woman who emphasized the importance of family to the point of for those around her."
To the point of what? EEng 01:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence needs to be corrected  

message: Surely this has to be one of the most pathetic and tiresome first sentences in the history of Wikipedia, if not the history of art: 'Van Gogh was a Dutch Post-Impressionist painter who was not commercially successful during his life'. As if 'commercially successful' is the only thing that makes an artistic life truly valuable; the holy grail of this day and age: being commercially successful. 
Can someone please change this testimonium paupertatis and make it into something more poetic, or at least academic... 213.124.169.240 (talk) 01:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: argee. an older version is better but could be improved. Hold on for a for a few days and will address. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 04:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the older version linked above by  is much better. I have no idea why it would have been changed to the sentence that IP 213 correctly finds fault with. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have edited it a bit, not wanting to have the legitimate concern hang out there much longer. , please polish it to perfection! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I think we need to have a full rollback to an earlier version. The lead is now five instead of four paragraphs, and info has been added throughout that's not in the sources cited. I have some of the book sources used here but need to locate them and then will take a look at the text. I've noticed the changes and have been getting slightly alarmed. Victoria (tk) 20:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a plan. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a start. I'm removing theories - we've discussed these on talk - and am removing material that's overly detailed for this page but can go to the subpages. Now that I think about it, the cause of death theories can also possibly go to that subpage. The lead still needs to be put back as it was. Will try to take a look tomorrow. Victoria (tk) 03:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Adding: I've rolled the first few paragraphs back to this version which passed FAC. For some reason the lead is still at five paras, but the infobox is bloated - esp. the b/c of the sig - so leaving the lead longish for now. We can hash is out when people are back from summer holidays. Victoria (tk) 03:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't read your changes, seems like a lot of content removal. For now just wanted to say that the bold signature looks really good in the infobox. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Randy, I removed a section here that included external links embedded in the text and is a section that should go to a subarticle. If anyone disagrees we can revisit, use high quality scholarly sources for the tree roots paintings, and set up a section like the other sections, i.e self-protraits etc. I'm not sure it's needed but if we decide to go that way, it's best to make it the same as the others.I commented out a stacked image in this edit because it breaks the formating. It can go back but should be part of the images work mentioned below.I removed theories re death in this edit and this edit. Consensus is not to include theories per previous talk discussions. Of course that can always be revisited but there is Death of Vincent van Gogh, which is better for the theories than the main bio. In this edit I reinstated the first para from the lead from the FAC version per WP:FAOWN, and because it's better written. Reinstated two other paras too. We may need to discuss.Finally, re the sig: it takes up a lot of space. Now that there isn't a TOC for unlogged in readers, and an infobox that's bloating, it's taking up space we might not have. But we can discuss. I'll wait until everyone is around to continue. Victoria (tk) 20:16, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not commercially successful.... 

message: Dear esteeeeeamed editors of the semi-protection entitlementdom, may I humble beg your attention and services in order to have a humble list of popular media depiction of the poor commonoer, Vincent van Gogh.  For the easing the trouble May I suggest at the least simply copy pasting from other relevant pages like my poor self is doing below: 
=== Film legacy (of VvG's brother Theo) ===
The van Gogh brothers' relationship figured in the Vincente Minnelli 1956 movie adaptation of Irving Stone's 1934 biographical novel Lust for Life. In it, Hollywood star Kirk Douglas played Vincent, and British actor James Donald appeared as Theo.
The family relationship was the more central subject in Robert Altman's movie Vincent & Theo (1990), starring British actors Tim Roth as Vincent and Paul Rhys as Theo.
The brothers' relationship is also featured in Maurice Pialat's 1991 film Van Gogh, with Jacques Dutronc playing Vincent and Bernard Le Coq as Theo.
The delivery of Vincent's final letter to Theo after Vincent's death, and the circumstances surrounding his death, was the subject of the 2017 film Loving Vincent, which was animated by oil paintings made with Van Gogh's techniques.
Julian Schnabel's meditation on Vincent's artistic life, At Eternity's Gate (2018), featured Willem Dafoe as Vincent and Rupert Friend as Theo.
=== (Jo van Gogh-Bonger, wife of Theo van Gogh) In popular culture ===
Vincent van Gogh as a subject in popular culture is well known, but recently Jo van Gogh-Bonger has also been a focus.  Novels based on the life of van Gogh-Bonger include Johanna. A Novel of the Van Gogh Family (1995) by Claire Cooperstein,Claire Cooperstein, Johanna. A Novel of the Van Gogh Family. New York: Scribner Book Company 1995  The Secret Life of Sunflowers by Marta Molnar Marta Molnar, The Secret Life of Sunflowers: A gripping, inspiring novel based on the true story of Johanna Bonger, Vincent van Gogh's sister-in-law.  and La viuda de los Van Gogh [The widow of the Van Goghs] by Camilo Sánchez Camilo Sánchez, La viuda de los Van Gogh, Editorial EDHASA 2014  A fictionalized account of her life is found in volume 2, "Mrs. Van Gogh", of the doctoral dissertation of Caroline SmailesSmailes, Caroline. HERstory: Johanna Van Gogh-Bonger: a creative and critical exploration of the role a woman played in Vincent van Gogh's rise to fame. Diss. Liverpool John Moores University, 2022. A one-woman show by actress Muriel Nussbaum, Van Gogh and Jo was performed at Fairfield University in 2005."Van Gogh and Jo" accessed 4 November 2022 Mrs. Van Gogh, a play by Geoff Allen, who previously authored the play Vincent and Theo, was performed in 2012 at the University of Auckland, NZ, with a reviewer panning it as "Wikipedia for the stage," lacking in emotion and failing to convey why she spent a lifetime promoting Vincent's work.Review: Mrs Van Gogh", Rosabel Tan accessed 4 November 2022 There are two documentaries on YouTube focusing on Jo's role, one short "The Woman who Made Van Gogh Famous"Michael Thomas "The Woman who Made Van Gogh Famous" accessed 4 November 2022. and a longer one, "How Van Gogh's Sister-in-Law Made Him a Renowned Painter".Raider of the Lost Art: "How Van Gogh’s Sister-In-Law Made Him A Renowned Painter" YouTube accessed 4 November 2022. A biography focusing on Jo's life, Jo van Gogh-Bonger: The Woman who Made Vincent Famous, was written by renowned van Gogh scholar Hans Luitjen and published in Dutch in 2019. An English translation by Lynne Richards was later published in 2022. A film adaptation in English of Camilo Sánchez's Spanish-language novel is due for release in 2023 by Cinema7.Cinema7 "Jo, the Van Goghs' Widow" accessed 4 November 2022
14.139.163.86 (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please List Films and Other popular media depictions of VvG 

message: Vincent van Gogh as a subject in popular culture is well known, but recently Jo van Gogh-Bonger has also been a focus.  Novels based on the life of van Gogh-Bonger include Johanna. A Novel of the Van Gogh Family (1995) by Claire Cooperstein,Claire Cooperstein, Johanna. A Novel of the Van Gogh Family. New York: Scribner Book Company 1995  The Secret Life of Sunflowers by Marta Molnar Marta Molnar, The Secret Life of Sunflowers: A gripping, inspiring novel based on the true story of Johanna Bonger, Vincent van Gogh's sister-in-law.  and La viuda de los Van Gogh [The widow of the Van Goghs] by Camilo Sánchez Camilo Sánchez, La viuda de los Van Gogh, Editorial EDHASA 2014  A fictionalized account of her life is found in volume 2, "Mrs. Van Gogh", of the doctoral dissertation of Caroline SmailesSmailes, Caroline. HERstory: Johanna Van Gogh-Bonger: a creative and critical exploration of the role a woman played in Vincent van Gogh's rise to fame. Diss. Liverpool John Moores University, 2022. A one-woman show by actress Muriel Nussbaum, Van Gogh and Jo was performed at Fairfield University in 2005."Van Gogh and Jo" accessed 4 November 2022 Mrs. Van Gogh, a play by Geoff Allen, who previously authored the play Vincent and Theo, was performed in 2012 at the University of Auckland, NZ, with a reviewer panning it as "Wikipedia for the stage," lacking in emotion and failing to convey why she spent a lifetime promoting Vincent's work.Review: Mrs Van Gogh", Rosabel Tan accessed 4 November 2022 There are two documentaries on YouTube focusing on Jo's role, one short "The Woman who Made Van Gogh Famous"Michael Thomas "The Woman who Made Van Gogh Famous" accessed 4 November 2022. and a longer one, "How Van Gogh's Sister-in-Law Made Him a Renowned Painter".Raider of the Lost Art: "How Van Gogh’s Sister-In-Law Made Him A Renowned Painter" YouTube accessed 4 November 2022. A biography focusing on Jo's life, Jo van Gogh-Bonger: The Woman who Made Vincent Famous, was written by renowned van Gogh scholar Hans Luitjen and published in Dutch in 2019. An English translation by Lynne Richards was later published in 2022. A film adaptation in English of Camilo Sánchez's Spanish-language novel is due for release in 2023 by Cinema7.Cinema7 "Jo, the Van Goghs' Widow" accessed 4 November 2022
14.139.163.86 (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Jo van Gogh-Bonger, wife of Theo van Gogh) In popular culture 

message: Vincent did not commit suicide. 2601:18C:8F81:8A00:3907:B643:6A94:66ED (talk) 00:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: On 10 February 2023, I wrote on this Talk page: Why does the article contain no mention of the theory that Van Gogh's death was not by suicide? It was advanced in Naifeh and Smith's prominent biography, which is cited in the article for other things. Was there a consensus that it is not even worth mentioning? Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

text: I think that it is wrong not to mention Naifeh and Smith's theory, along with other scholars' reactions to it. Wikipedia should not censor serious hypotheses, and Naifeh and Smith's was serious. They are legitimate biographers, not crackpots or conspiracy theorists, as that term is used derogatorily. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if Naifeh and Smith's theory has been conclusively debunked (which I don't believe it has), it should be mentioned for its historical interest. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death