Talk:MS Sea Diamond

message: I cannot understand why this ship sunk after getting a hole in the bottom? I mean double hulls have been used in shipbuilding for at least 120 years. Add compartmentalization, massive bilge pumps and a small army sized crew available during havaria events. With all this a 150 meter long ship simply can not sink in a reef incident.
This is scary. If a stupid reef can sink a luxury liner, what stops a bunch of terrorists in a trotil-laden rubber dingy from ramming and sinking one of the recent 300+ meter megaliners? Shouldn't ocean liners have double hull, reinforced keel, pugliese, torpedo belt, deck armour, 5000 compartments etc. installed, considering there are over 1000 to 3000 civilian people on each one? Cars and train carts are built to strong crash-protection standards to protect people from all aspects. Why are ships built like fold-paper boats? 82.131.210.162 14:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: reminded me of USS Cole bombing --Dennis Valeev 23:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: All the things you mentioned helped in keeping the ship afloat to take out 1,100+ passengers. From a 20m gap (that's 1/6th of the ship length !), taking more than 12 hours to sink is incredible in my opinion (and since I'm a shipbuilder myself, I believe my opinion does have some importance). So, speaking in a friendly manner, the title of your comment looks to me like the hysterical headlines we got her and is - in my opinion - invalid. The simple reason the ship was sunk is that nobody seemed like wanting to save it. Looks to me like it was left to sink, instead of starting some rescue effort. Why was this done is beyond the engineering scope, however.Geohack 09:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It should be noted that modern liners are indeed built like paper boats. This ship was 6.25 meters tall under the waterline and about 20 meters tall over the water. Considering Archimedes' law, this means the whole superstructure was about as dense as dry sponge on average. Possibly the whole deck things were built of a few millimeters thick aluminium at best and internal cabin walls made of plywood and plastiline. The hull also must have been light, few ribs, thin steel sheets and little compartmentalization (bulkheads are heavy). Maybe if people cared a damn about safety and could live with two promenade decks less and sans topmost swimming pool, the cruise liners could be built a little sturdier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Modern shipbuilding regulations stipulate very strict rules about watertights compartments. Additionally aluminium is relatively rarely used in shipbuilding at it hardens and cracks as it ages. Additionally in order to have an 1 A ice class the hull must be relatively thick, at least along the waterline. That said, all the extra stuctures added to the ship in the 1999 and 2006 refits were probably built of aluminium, oterwise she would have probably become too top heavy to be stable. - Kjet 17:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Almost 100 years after Titanic, seaworthiness has actually degraded, even on the drawing table! 

message: The ship was pulling into a port when it was beached and 
got a hole ripped into its side when they went to tow it. 
Why didn't they just leave the ship there in the rocks and make
a more secure evacuation?
That way the other passengers would have a chance to get out if they were stuck.
The thing that concerns me is that there was a hole in the side but what about the Andrea Doria? 
The andria Doria got another ship to plow through it and it sank in more time than 
it did this one. strange don't you think. 
The boats marked this spot up and we'll know when they take a dive to it to see what happened.
Let's hope they wrote down cowardenants. This is a sad day in greek ship history. 
[salute] it went down with a fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.178.109 (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am thankful but i don't understand either 

message: If they didn't move the ship and kept it stabbed, 
less water would have leak in it and it wouldn't sink that fast.
Who can ensure though, that the rescue ships wouldn;t stuck on the reefs too?
This is why Captain of the ship took her in deeper waters (she had a in-water depth of about 6m. and still stroke the reef. 
Imagine that - twice as high as your home's ceiling and still mortal! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makrisj (talk • contribs) 19:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, you are definatey right. But... 

message: ...Has been created. Graeco 23:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Hellenic Cruise Lines 

message: Santorini is an active volcano. Was the rock she hit charted, or is it a new feature resulting from volcanic activity? If the latter, then this is important news in its own right. Santorini is strongly implicated in the destruction of the Minoan civilization, and may be the source of the Atlantis legends. So, renewed activity is of considerable interest.--APRCooper 23:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'd need to find sources for all of that. I've visited Thira and the other Islands of Santorini and you're quite right, the volcano is pushing up new land in the centre of its caldera. And the Atlantis myth is anecdotally attached to the archaeological digs on the South of Thira. --Monotonehell 05:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was the rock charted? 

message: The launch date in the article body and the one in the side box are different, and im quite honestly too lazy to look into which one is correct BBnet3000 05:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Launch Date 

message: Do we have names for the people missing and/or the wife and son of the missing Frenchman?  I've looked everywhere and I can't find them.  Andrew 00:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names? 

message: Does anyone know if there are images of the wreck itself out there? I Know that there are lots of 
photos of the sinking, but i have found nothing about the wreck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.27.54 (talk) 21:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the wreck is 200 m deep. i took some pictures at the port (low Q), menly of the oil spil effects. check them at my commons account commons:User:יוסי הראשון. 89.1.145.34 15:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images  of the wreck. 

message: Here are some amateur videos I found on the web. Some could be linked to from the article. It would also be great if we could find some free material to post on Commons. If we find the original creators, maybe we can ask them to release under a free license. -- Petri Krohn 22:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amateur videos 

message: Is the part about the school students really important? While I don't doubt that 77 high schoolers were on board and rescued, they don't seem to have a special connection to the desaster the way the french family whose members are missing have - the students are mere 77 of about 1600 of the rescued ones, and thus their mentioning is not of encyclopaedic value. With the same right one could argue to have a passengers list, including every other rescued person, in this article. I'd say we should axe that part. --Hohenberg 18:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put them partly because they are the reference for use of the car ramp for evacuation. (See the videos by YouTube:zakhayes1. There are also written reference on the web.) They have also been widely reported in the news; in fact it seem that they may have given the face to U.S. coverage of the event. Beside, I think that this material by zakhayes1 is great! -- Petri Krohn 19:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think en.wikipedia.org, being some kind of überwikipedia, often used as well in nonenglish countries (not to mention lots of english-speaking countries that are not the US), should be overly US-centric. Basically, I did learn of them because from this wikipedia article, and would never have otherwise (living in Germany)... I think the High Schoolers have earned themself a recognition in form of an reference, but not really a mentioning within the article. --Hohenberg 06:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paisley Magnet School 

message: I've added a See Also reference to the sinkning of the Mikhail Lermontov because there are several similarities between that wreck and the Sea Diamond:
* Both vessels were near port and sailing in ideal conditions.
* Both struck rocks well charted on maps
* In both cases the only casualties were people in the vicinity of the initial impact.
Anyway, any comments are welcome and I'm happy for the link to be removed if deemed unsuitable.
Milbs 07:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mikhail Lermontov 

message: Wasn't the Sea Diamond registerd at Valetta, Malta? Camptown 10:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Originally yes, but she was re-flagged to Greece before the sinking. - Kjet 10:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now has references to show this, but it is also evident from photograps, where the text on the stern changes from Valetta to Piraeus. -- Petri Krohn 11:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Malta 

message: :I left this message on his talk page:
If you, or your group, have some first hand experience of the accident, you could best contribute to the article by uploading images. If you want to include some trivia, it is best done as image captions to your own photographs. -- Petri Krohn 23:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heheh, well handled. I hope, though, that we don't end up with a huge influx of grinning, life-jacket-wearing mugshots and other imagecruft. --YFB ¿ 00:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User talk:86.150.128.252|User:86.150.128.252]] 

message: Personally I'm not sure about this sentence: "These water-tight doors are one of the most important safety features of a cruiser, and the fact that they didn't work raises serious suspicions on the nature of the company's safety practices."
Compared with the Mikhail Lermontov - where several water-tight doors also failed - it was suspected that this may have been caused by distortion of the ship's hull caused by the impact. It also appears that most of the safety equipment on the Sea Diamond was very much better maintained than on the Russian vessel, so I think it's a bit dicey to speculate on  poor maintenance of the vessel. Is there any other evidence that points to poor maintenance?
Milbs 22:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water-tight doors 

message: Is it time to remove the "current event" tag? Edits have slowed down now considerably. --MoRsE 22:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it a current event any more? 

message: Does anybody know if the two persons who went missing have been found or not? 84.211.227.30 (no:Bruker:Alexanderkg) 13:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They haven't been found. Its very unlikely they will be. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 08:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing  

message: A Greek scuba diver died whilst investigating the Sea Diamond shipwreck in October 2007.
http://www.cdnn.info/news/safety/s071007.html
Eleni73 (talk) 07:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek scuba diver killed whilst investigating Sea Diamond 

message: Anybody know the coordinates for the wreck site? There's a placemarker on Google Earth but I don't think its accurate. It doesn't match the photo. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 08:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wreck site coordinates?

message: I saw the boat on GE at . Images from the forth and the back of the ship before sinking mach the wreck layout, the boat is 150m max depth therefore daylight reaches there.
A researcher commenting on the damage she suffered while rolling to the bottom of the caldera said that the boad rolled on the sliding terrain and ended up on current position.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.105.110 (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: I saw her on GE

message: I removed the displacement (said to be "2,441 metric tons") as it's definitely wrong.Tupsumato (talk) 16:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the past there has been some confusion on (the english) Wikipedia as to what exactly are deadweight tonnage and displacement. Resultingly in several articles DWT still remains in the wrong field (it should be under tonnage). I've gone and re-added the DWT figure, but now in the correct field. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 18:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  My bad. I should've checked if someone had just writteni in the wrong field instead of giving wrong figures. Thanks for fixing that up. I guess I'll have to keep an eye open for such errors while browsing through shipping-related articles in the future. Tupsumato (talk) 19:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, the removal was easily fixed. :) There are probably still many articles with the same mistake around (and I'm to blame for some of them), as very few wiki editors seem to care enough about non-military ships to give them proper attention. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 10:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Displacement

message: * Flag of Finland was my decision, but I have seen later the photo of this ship with ensign of Åland on the stern mast and I have restored your revision, Gwafton, thanks for your attention,--PjotrMahh1 (talk) 07:41, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I believe when I see it, it shall be Åland flag then. This is new to me – in the past the Åland registered ships sailed under the flag of Finland as Åland is not a country. Regulations seem to have changed in the meantime. --Gwafton (talk) 11:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag : Finland or Åland

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message: Reference 12 claims the reef was well-marked, but a later study showed the reef was further out to sea and shallower than represented on the map. While it was irresponsible to approach a volcanic cliff so close, it was not a result of misreading the map. (Though I am a bit perplexed on how they missed the reef on sonar.) Pete Mack (talk) 10:55, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  How could reef be 'well-marked' if a later study showed the charts were wrong?