Talk:Italianate architecture

message: In its current form, the article smacks of original research. I want to repeat that "Italianate" should be reserved for a disambiguation. For instance, the entry on "Italianate" in Britannica, 15th ed. reads: 
ITALIANATE, group of 17th-century northern European painters, principally Dutch, who traveled in Italy and, consciously adopting the style of landscape painting that they found there, incorporated Italian models and motifs into their own works. Chief among the Italianates were Bartholomeus Breenbergh, Andries and  Jan Both,  Nicolaes Berchem, and Jan Asselijn. The Both brothers, of Utrecht, were to some degree rivals of the Haarlem-born Berchem. Andries painted the figures that populated Jan's landscapes. Berchem's own compositions were largely derived from the Arcadian landscapes of the French painter Claude Lorrain; a typical scene would contain shepherds grazing their flocks among classical ruins, bathed in a golden haze. Upon his return to Holland, Berchem occasionally worked in cooperation with the local painters and is said to have supplied figures in works of both Jacob van Ruisdael and Meindert Hobbema. --Ghirla -трёп- 19:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Italianate (architectural style) is fine by me. Regarding your last edit summary  try looking at the overall design and ethos of Osbourne and what do you see? Giano | talk 19:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is a familiar term for Neo-Renaissance residential architecture, we should merge rather than move. Or perhaps insert into Neo-Renaissance a brief summary of what "Italianate" is all about, with a link to Italianate (architectural style) as the main article? --Ghirla -трёп- 19:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This is just the confusing sort of thing, I hink we should be debating here User talk:Giano/19th century architecture rather than taking potentially rash decisions by ourselves, for what it's worth I agree with you, but the term "Italianate" seems to have far greater significance in America, and this is an international encyclopedia, so we have to consider all sides of the coin. Giano | talk 20:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've just re-read it: This page is a complete mess of contradictions Giano | talk 20:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Speaking for the Americans here-at least until another shows up- I'm fine with moving the Italianate page to Italianate (architectural style).  However there should be a redirect or discombobulation or something to send folks who search for "Italianate" there.  Or gives them the choice anyway.  I feel no need to Americanize [or should that be United Statesize] the article, but it does need to fit our needs.  Carptrash 21:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: * BC Archives Photo: Second Hotel Vancouver, Georgia & Granville, c.1920
* BC Archives Photo: Billiard Room, Second Hotel Vancouver, 1920s 
* BC Archives Photo: Dining Room, Second Hotel Vancouver, 1920s
I never got to see this building, which was torn down before I was born (1955) but was much-remembered by my parents and anybody else who had spent time in it.  I added a bit on it to the Hotel Vancouver page, which is mostly about the current, third hotel, now a Fairmont and in the tradition of the Gothic railway hotels (the Frontenac, Laurier, Banff Springs, Lake Louise, Fort Garry, Empress, Royal York etc); the condition of its completion was that the second hotel be torn down (the new one didn't want the competition, which as you can see was formidable; especially the interior of the newer one is very drab by comparison).  I've included pix of the interior to see if there's harmonization between exterior and interior, and would like the opinion of someone/people here as to if this is Italianate or not; I'd called it Italian Renaissance, which is the usual term for the style (at least it was in my cultural geography courses, anyway).  The second hotel was by Francis Rattenbury (if that's a redlink, it's open turf to anyone interested in architectural history; yeah, there's an article, but now I'm not sure if the 2nd Hotel Van was his or not; have to check I guess; Rattenbury same designer as BC's Parliament Buildings and 1912 courthouse (now the Vancouver Art Gallery though I think in the UK he's a bit more famous for a society scandal/murder than anything else).
Italianate?  Or am I wrong and it's Beaux-Arts or ???  I'd always called it Edwardian Pacific; the dining rooms/ballrooms were in different themes from around the Empire, there were echoes of Hong Kong and Bombay and Africa in the place, and gold-plated faucets and marble fittings in all the bathrooms....Italianate was fairly popular here, relatively speaking to Arts and Crafts and a tamer Queen Anne that's seen in the states; a famous example of an Italianate Renaissance house in Victoria is Emily Carr's old dig: http://www.emilycarr.com/main.html; despite those Gothic-flavoured finials or follies or whatever they are. Skookum1 03:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Architectural opinion sought on 2nd Hotel Vancouver (d.1948)

message: Is this church Italianate?  Its description on the Wilton, Wiltshire page says it's Romanesque with Bzyantine influences.  What's the difference between Romanesque and Italianate?81.159.89.226 (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An opinion.  This church in the picture looks Romanesque to me.  It looks like a 1,000 year old building, give or take a few centuries.  Italianate is a 19th century architectural style.  The use of the tower as well as the sort of icicle looking corbeling around various places are details that the Italianate picked up and copied. Feel free to jump in folks, but I do not think that there were very many Italianate churches built.  I suggest that you get a basic architectural styles book, or come back with more questions.  Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The British will always call this style "Italianate" purely because of the design of the campanile. British Empire Italianate architecture took the tower (Campaniele on churches and belvedere on domestic) as a defining symbol of Italianate architecture adapting in the 19th century. Giano (talk) 16:26, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A question

message: This is a generic article of top importance, rather than "high". Amandajm (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: I'm not familiar enough with the other provinces to be able to write a Canada section, but Italianate's fairly common in British Columbia, with three notable high-profile examples I can think of, though one is demolished - the Second Hotel Vancouver (1916), the Emily Carr House in Victoriaand - I think it's Italianate - Hycroft Manor in Shaugnessy; maybe it's Neo-Classical but up close it seems ab it ornate for that; the view in the image is from the north; the rear entranche's port cochere and uphill windows seem clearly italianate, sorry I can't provide an image.  Italianate's often seen integrated with Queen Anne elements in Vancouver and Victoria, and seems to have also been widely used in the British Columbia Interior in Edwardian times, though most examples are now vanished; the old Exhibition Buildings at Hastings Park, which had to be demolished in the '20s due to structural deficiencies, were an Italianate-California hybrid (Italianate with distinct Mexican characteristics, that is), and also had a glass conservatory roof London-Exhibition style (the roof was, i believe, the reason the building was unstable and had to be taken down - great shame, I'll see if I can find a pic).  Italianate storefronts are numerous in Gastown, sorry I can't provide examples, I'm living in Halifax now...I see the occasional bit of Italianate here, mostly smaller frame buildings, I'll try to remember to take some pics if I see one...Skookum1 (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A small pic of the Emily Carr House in its linked official website seems somewhat consistent with Italianate style, though it could be Gothic Revival or other.  Italianate elements that matter include brackets beneath a wide overhang of a low/flat roof, and rounded tops of windows. --doncram (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Italianate in Canada

message: The examples in the gallery don't seem to typify the style. Two of them are Victorian architecture with some Italianate features. I think we should sort out some better examples to include and weed out ambiguous or inaccurate examples. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Candleabracadabra that a few poor examples have crept in, but which ones specifically are you objecting to. At the end of the day, Italianate architecture is just Victorian architecture which a few Italianesque features  - often not very many. It's a very loose style and not easily defined.  Giano  21:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is well taken Giano, and indeed upon looking into it further Italiate has come to be appliled rather broadly. But I think it's best to be careful and precise. I think there is a difference between Victorian architecture with Italianate features and Italianate architecture. I think we'd be best served to use examples that typify the style instead of ones that may have some features that can be described as Italianate. The Bidwell Mansion and the Farnam Mansion for starters do not seem to me to be good examples. They would be more appropriate illustrations for Victorian architecture. The images should be illustrative not ambiguous (at best). Likewise the Albury Railway Station has some Italianate features, but doesn't seem like a great example. Perhaps I'm being too strict, but I think if we're going to be loose and include style mixes then we should clarify in the captions which parts are Italianate.
, Merchants Bank Building (commercial example). Anyway. Those are my thoughts. Happy New Year. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Villa Vizcaya also looks Italianate to me, but I see it has a whole bunch of its own architectural descriptors applied to it. So perhaps what's really meant by italianate is just that there are arches and maybe some columns? Seems rather loose to me. But perhaps I'm mixin up italianate with Italian Villa architecture or these other styles. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully understand and appreciate where you are coming from Candleabracadabra, over the years I have removed the photo's of many dodgy examples. Before studying architecture, I used to think there must be a style called Spooky American Gothic, but I now know that's the American take on Italianate. However, the Bidwell Mansion is Italianate by any nation's definition - the others you mention just scrape in too. Take a look at Osbourne House (considered a prime example) really it's only a hybrid of  "Georgian architecture" (itself a loose imprecise term evolved from Italian/Palladian architecture) with a couple of seigneurial/belvedere towers stuck on the top for good measure. It's a pity we can't say that only attempts to faithfully copy Italian architecture (like Cliveden) can represent the style, but we can't because that would be wrong. I think it has to be accepted that it's a pretty loose and all encompassing style - do alter the captions to explain this though if you want to, and in the text to; but it'll be hard to find references to state a particular building is a poor example of the style - that's the problem.   Giano  08:45, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are absolutely correct on all counts. Thank you for the cogent explanation and happy new year. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole subject is a debatable ambiguity. From you post, I just checked out :Category:Italian Renaissance Revival architecture in the United States and saw Humble Oil Building and Kindel Building to name but a few in that category; to be frank' I don't think I have the energy or will to even go there. All we can do is make sure that the images shown here at Italianate architecture are at least vaguely in that style. Happy New Year to you too Candleabracadabra. Regards.  Giano  21:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad examples used?

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Italianate architecture. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20091003132452/http://www.midtel.net:80/~mcselem/architecture/italianate.htm to http://www.midtel.net/~mcselem/architecture/italianate.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 11:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Italianate architecture. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100224044324/http://www.touruk.co.uk/houses/housebucks_clive.htm to http://www.touruk.co.uk/houses/housebucks_clive.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20030820202420/http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~twp/architecture/italianate/ to http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~twp/architecture/italianate/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified