Talk:Beijing dialect

message: What's with, ?
100110100 03:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I know this is a typical war, but why would one go to the trouble of transcribing a bunch of words from a dialect spoken in the capital city of mainland china in traditional characters?  Wouldn't that be a bit like writing Hindi slang in the Urdu (Arabic) script?  Especially since, overall, traditional characters are used much less than simplified by Mandarin speakers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.132.11.78 (talk) 01:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True. But if we only include simplified scripts it would be difficult for those (from Hong Kong/Taiwan etc.) who cannot recognise simplified characters. I propose we use simplified characters but include traditional ones in brackets. j.t. (talk) 11:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional characters 

message: What's the use of a website to buy a Beijing Pirate T-Shirt? This website is absolutely useless and if someone really wanted to, a sentence like "there are distinctions in the Beijing dialect like in every other language, and the "arr" ending is one of them (link to the Erhua article). Some people think it looks like a pirate speaking, some others don't." could be much better.
Though that sentence wouldn't really be encyclopedic, so I propose to just remove the link and forget about all this. Thanks! --BahaFura (talk) 21:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirate external link 

message: The word "怂”(meaning timid) is spelt wrongly. The most correct spelling is a "从“ under a “尸”  although this character isn't found in modern Chinese dictionaries anymore, so forgive me for not typing it out.
 
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The bizarre unsigned comment above my line of ===='s is so utterly stupid that one can at least understand why the writer would not sign his name.  Quite possibly he doesn't know what his name is, or perhaps can't spell it.
 
No, I won't forgive you for not typing it out.  If it were so common (it's not) it would be in the Microsoft collection on your machine, fool.
 
DavidLJ (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocabulary section 

message: The bizarre unsigned comment above my line of ===='s is so utterly stupid that one can at least understand why the writer would not sign his name.  Quite possibly he doesn't know what his name is, or perhaps can't spell it.
 
No, I won't forgive you for not typing it out.  If it were so common (it's not) it would be in the Microsoft collection on your machine, fool.
 
DavidLJ (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
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message: "京骂"(Beijing swearing) is also something that is very distinct in Beijing dialect, and I think it deserves a sentence or two and a few examples. Considering there is a whole list of *Profanity by language on Wikipedia, I do not think such topic is unacceptable here. j.t. (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profanity 

message: The north-west portion of the language map indicates that Beijing dialect is spoken there, but there's no apparent reference in the article.  I'm wondering what the story is here :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.146.133.178 (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  North-west portion of language map? 

message: Radical index to Pocket dictionary and Pekingese syllabary (1893)
https://archive.org/details/radicalindextopo00goodrich
A syllabic dictionary of the Chinese language; arranged according to the Wu-Fang Yuen Yin, with the pronunciation of the characters as heard in Peking, Canton, Amoy, and Shanghai (1874)
https://archive.org/details/syllabicdictiona00willrich
https://archive.org/details/chinesediction00willrich
https://archive.org/details/wufangyuenyin00willrich
https://archive.org/details/syllabicdictiona00will
Chinese-English pocket dictionary, with Mandarin and Shanghai pronunciation, and references to the dictionaries of Williams and Giles (1911)
https://archive.org/details/chineseenglishpo00davirich
A Chinese and English dictionary : arranged according to radicals and sub-radicals / by P. Poletti (1907)
https://archive.org/details/chineseenglishdi00pole
Premières leçons de chinois, langue mandarine de Pékin: accompagnées de Thèmes et de versions et suivies d'un exposé sommaire de la langue écrite By Arnold Vissière
http://books.google.com/books?id=2DZCAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books on Beijing dialect 

message: Where does this table come from? It looks interesting, but some of the "Typical pronunciation in Beijing" seem to be exaggerated pronunciation. --2.245.179.189 (talk) 22:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology table 

message: There are a number of finals which differ from Standard Chinese because they are often different dipthongs with nasalised consonants. These are present on the other language versions of Wikipedia but might need some English language references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linguapalaeo (talk • contribs) 05:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beijing Dialect Dipthongs 

message: Beijing Dialect is a sub-dialect of Hebei dialect.  It is entirely distinct to the Beijing speech described here, which is the "Beijing dialect of Northern Mandarin".
I personally have studied Chinese for 47 years, and would hardly understand a word of Beijing Dialect.  The most common two-syllable word in Beijing Dialect is m3me, which means "we, us".
Like everything one reads about Chinese, this article is pushing the idea that Putonghua originated in Beijing.  In fact, it originated in Manchuria and Eastern Mongolia and was brought into China when it was invaded by the Manchus in 1644.
The proof: well, for one thing, you cannot find any Han Chinese who speaks Northern Mandarin correctly.  If you wish to hear good Mandarin you need to go to Luanping.  This is a town inhabited entirely by Manchus of the two yellow banners.  I recommend that readers search "China Daily" and "Luanping".  China is now, to some extent, willing to admit the truth about this language.  The China Daily article confirms that outside Luanping nobody speaks Chinese correctly.
Chinese, as taught both inside and outside China, is a nonsensical form of speech which very often puts the weight of each pulse onto its middle, rather than at its beginning.  This has created total confusion.
It is this incorrect pulse which has led to the invention of three sounds which simply do not exist in correct Northern Mandarin: x, j, and q.  No wonder that linguists wonder at the "ambiguity" of these sounds.  It's always difficult to pin down something which does not exist.
These three letters were invented in 1913, with the invention of the Bopomofo system -- entirely the work of scholars from southern China.
I doubt that anyone today still speaks Beijing Dialect, save a few very old people.  It is evident that whoever wrote this article has no knowledge of Beijing Dialect.Luo Shanlian (talk) 08:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is entirely misconceived