Talk:University of Sydney/Archive 1

message: Hi,
I have done some minor edits re: terminology. eg: School -> Faculty (of Arts, etc), fixed "field ancillary to medicine" to the correct "allied health disciplines", etc.
--DaveB 11:15, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewording

message: I know that the University of Sydney is one of the most prestigous universities in Australia, but I'm not sure how I'd prove that to someone from (say) Finland.  Getting the largest portion of ARC grants in a year does prove that Sydney is a leading research uni, but that won't change if we rank 3rd or 4th on that measure next year.  I think it's best to avoid ephemeral "X of the year 2005" measures of status in an encyclopedia, anyway.  -- Danny Yee 01:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying it's "one of the most pretigious" I think is ok, because it doessn't imply the most pretigious from year to year. Saying best of in 2005 is ok too I think because this is Wikipedia, not the Encyclopedia Britannica, and we can edit this any time any day. Enochlau 05:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's most prestigious because it is most likely the only Australian university someone from Finland would have heard about. Tell them about University of New South Wales and they'll say, "yah, I know Wales. It's in Britain." --Sumple 03:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then again, any intelligent person from Finland wouldn't look at USyd and automatically see prestige, they'd look into it first and probably judge it to be a decent university along with the ANU and UNSW. Actually, I doubt anyone from outside Australia is actually aware of any Australian universities by name, they could just guess ones at random (Sydney + University = Sydney University). Do you know the names of any universities in Finland without guessing? No? I didn't think so. Prestige cannot be proven, and I'm not a completely jealous UNSW student and hence won't be editing the article (which would probably be promptly edited back), but please keep a neutral POV in this article, especially when it comes to matters like these which are completely unproveable.Nebuchanezzar 12:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  most prestigous? and ARC grants 

message: The first sentence of this section is factually incorrect on two counts. NSW did not ceace to be a colony of Britain in the 1840s, and the Legislative Council established during this era was far from democratic.
I think deleting that first sentence would be a good idea.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewT (talk • contribs) 30 September 2005
:Indeed you're correct. I'm not sure why the rest of us didn't pick this up earlier. -Techelf 10:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  On checking the source of that sentence (see the foundingdocs link) it should say that NSW ceased to be penal colony in the 1840's, in the sense that transportation of convicts stopped. And it was moving towards a democratic government. 1855 is regarded as "beginning of responsible government in NSW". I don't know precisely what the sentence said, so I can't add it back. --Sumple 03:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think the status of NSW is relevant to the University of Sydney article. Just leave it out. enochlau (talk) 03:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishment section 

message: I've placed an expansion tag on that - it's a useful section to have I think, but could do with more detail. In particular, sydney uni has a soccer team doesn't it? anyone know anything about it? Enochlau 00:05, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: sydney uni also has a chess club. --Sumple 04:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports section 

message: Danny, I see where you are coming from. 
But...I do notice that the entry for Australian National University claims that it is the "best" in Australia, and Melbourne University is claiming that it is also one the the most "prestigious" universities in Australia. If these other Australian univerisities are claiming these things, Sydney University also has a right (possibly more of a right)to claim that it is one of the most prestigious. 
The reference to the Australian Research Council grants was put in there to provide some recent justification to this claim. Anyway, I know for a fact that Sydney has been receiving the most grants for at least the past 6 years. 
If not, Wikipedia can always be updated next year. 
Cleric
: well "best" is definitely POV, someone should correct that!  If Sydney has been receiving the most ARC grants for the last six years, that would make a better statement than the current "in 2005", which (to me) strongly suggests things were different in 2004... -- Danny Yee 05:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See my reply above. Just write "one of the best". Easy. Enochlau 05:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  most prestigious and ARC grants 

message: Call me crazy but I've borrowed some stuff from Fisher and I'll gradually expand it over the next couple of weeks. Just letting you all know in case you're wondering why the article might be a little unbalanced while I write it in dribs and drabs. Enochlau 09:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gradual expansion 

message: I cleaned up the second paragraph of the HISTORY section a bit and added the date of the royal charter(February 27). Drn8 03:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. enochlau (talk) 03:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's all work to make this a featured article yeh? :) enochlau (talk) 03:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Haha yeh, although the sharp decline looks as if it started in the late 80s, Howard just continued it - would that have been Hawke instead? enochlau (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewording 

message: There isn't actually any content to merge!  Can we just delete the judo club entry?  (If we are going to cover clubs here, we should have some guidelines as to how much info  we provide for each club, otherwise we risk having lots about a few clubs and nothing about most.) -- Danny Yee 08:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the merge notice hoping someone associated with the University knew more of the judo clubs noteworthiness. If the club isn't worthy of inclusion here, it can be listed for deletion. -- Longhair 08:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I have made some general comments on the topic of clubs and socs below. Cheers, --Daveb 08:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I see it has been listed on WP:AFD - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sydney University Judo Club. --Daveb 14:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think stuff like judo clubs are that relevant. If you include judo clubs then as a amtter of consistency other tiny little clubs like chocolate loving students society would also need to be included... --Sumple 04:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ahem, there's such a club? :P enochlau (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judo club 

message: USyd has over 250 clubs and societies .
Large organisations with interesting history and significant operations aside from just being a uni club may warrant their own article, e.g. the Medical Society (has been around for 120 years,  runs possibly Australia's largest medical book provider, has well-known and referenced public orations, has multiple publications, has made submissions to government bodies, has appeared before Australian Senate hearings, etc) or similar organisations might be notable enough for an article, however most clubs are small and not particularly notable and as such do not warrant articles.
It would also be unwiedly to include them all in this article. The best approach is to give an overview in the main article of:
* The major students organisations (Union, SRC, SUPRA, SU Sport).
* The general topic of clubs and socs at USyd (more-or-less as the article does now, although it could perhaps have its tone made more encyclopaedic). This could include a link to the Union's clubs and socs page for those wishing to find out more.
Cheers, --Daveb 08:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that is a good criterion - having significant operations aside from just being a uni club. (Law Society is another one). But one potential problem might be societies which have external affiliations, which may or may not be very large or significant on campus. I'm thinking of the politically affiliated clubs; the NGO-affiliated clubs, and the international scam societies (Golden Key, to name a prime example). --Sumple 22:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clubs and socs in general 

message: I have created a template for the Colleges and added it to the University page and those College pages that exist. More need doing. I'm working on St John's. The template is at Template:University of Sydney Colleges. --Bduke 22:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Residential Colleges

message: Re: this edit - an anonymous user changed the caption on my image, :Image:Usyd Anderson Stuart.jpg from being Anderson Stuart to the Clock Tower. Is that correct? I took it a while back so I can't remember where I took it, and admittedly both look kind of similar - but the image does have a clock on it! So, opinion please - have I misidentified my own picture? Thanks. enochlau (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: try http://community.webshots.com/album/368181626PnhZPB Xtra 14:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like clock tower! Tho I will check when I go there on Monday... enochlau (talk) 15:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's the great tower. anderson stuart does not have sticking-out windows at the front. --Sumple (Talk) 23:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep, definitely the carillon tower on the eastern side of the main quad. -Techelf 04:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image identification 

message: Hello. I'm wondering why the University infobox uses the name "The University of Sydney" instead of just "University of Sydney"? Shouldn't it be proper to use the latter instead? --60.49.111.41 19:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the actual name of the university has the "the" in it. The article name doesn't have a "the" because of the manual of style: WP:MOS. enochlau (talk) 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The University of Sydney? Or just University of Sydney? 

message: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/anu-up-there-with-the-best/2006/10/05/1159641468047.html
New rankings have come in. enochlau (talk) 21:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rankings 

message: Just addressing the fact there was no reference to Lodge University of Sydney, which is a well known Freemasons lodge that meets at 279 Castlereagh Street which I believe is the law campus?  I threw up a stub, if other editors who know more of the specifics could expand on the location, history, et cetera, it'll be greatly appreciated.
I positioned it under the student organisation, activities, yadda section originally under sport, but then put it before sport not out of bias but because it's alphabetically first, and the subject category heading starts with 'student organisations', followed by 'activities, sports, yadda'.  Thus, I felt that it didn't look right being the first thing listed in the header yet last in the content.
I will give the secretary of the lodge a ring over the coming days and get some more history to fill in if we have no volunteers here who can do so.  <3  Jachin 13:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So tell me, why is this organisation notable, and why does it deserve to be mentioned in Wikipedia? So far, it is generally accepted that no student societies/clubs/organisations are notable enough to be mentioned except for the umbrella organisations such as the Union. Do you have references? Also, the law school is at the corner of King, Elizabeth and Phillip Streets, so it can't be that. enochlau (talk) 15:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lodge

message: In the Sport section, it looks like a lot of sports clubs are trying to insert a little plug for themselves there - there are a lot of them, and it's already grown quite a bit, and it's unsustainable if more gets added. I suggest we delete any references to specific sports clubs (unless they're particularly noteworthy in the history of Sydney Uni) and make general references to the types of sports and activities available. Comments? enochlau (talk) 23:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think clubs competing in first grade competitions in major sports deserve specific mention, but apart from that specific clubs shouldn't be mentioned. JPD (talk) 09:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports clubs 

message: Can we add links to each faculty's website and add a page on wikipedia for each department within the university.  
I would like to create a wikipedia page for Sydney's Faculty of Dentistry similar to how Harvard has done theirs. 
-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_School_of_Dental_Medicine   
Would this be possible?  
Thanks Jwri7474 23:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but you'll need to find enough information to write about each faculty and have everything referenced. Also remember that the faculties at the university are currently under a state of flux (mergers in the works?) so I'm not sure if it's a good idea at the moment to write separate articles about them currently... but go ahead if you want. enochlau (talk) 00:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Faculties

message: I think it is more orgranised and logical to have subheadings for student representatives, student union, and Sydney Uni sports Union under the heading of "Student organisations, clubs and activities". I have taken the liberty of modifying the page. I have also created the page for Sydney University Sport (SUS), and will start to move information currently on the page to the SUS page and expand the SUS page. Hopefully this will resolve the questions of which clubs should be on the page and which clubs should not (in fact I think all clubs deserve a place in the history and in Wikipedia, if storage allows). --Wpliao 16:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Student representatives/Union/Sports Union

message: There should be a reference to the universities membership of the Sandstone universities.Sandstoner 07:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandstone universities 

message: It would be really nice if active Wikipedians working in this article put this template at a suitable place, preferably  in the article related to student activities or debating activities. 
Template:World Universities Debating Ranking  
Niaz bd 15:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing out this template. There isn't an article which really covers specifically the debating activities, so this article is probably as good a home as any. enochlau (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your encouraging reply. I have a plan to organize debating related articles with proper citations and references. I have already started working on them and this article is one of my such initiatives. Niaz bd 16:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: World Universities Debating Ranking

message: Do Australians wishing to apply or attend Uni have to complete an exam or test in high school and have substantial grades from post-high school years to be accepted, or is just if you've completed year 12? The section doesn't make it quite clear. Please advise.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angel2001 (talk • contribs).
: See Universities Admission Index and Higher School Certificate for the general case. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 13:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acceptance? 

message: I suppose the person who wrote the following sentence must be doing a law degree. I certainly hope they are not an English student! 
"Centred on the Oxbridge-inspired grounds of the University's Main Campus on the south-western outskirts of Sydney's CBD, the University has a number of campuses as a result of mergers over the past 20 years." 
Amandajm (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Oxbridge-inspired Main Campus is situated on the south-western outskirts of Sydney's CBD. The University has also acquired a number of other campuses as a result of mergers."? JPD (talk) 01:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What is this meant to mean?

message: I'm not sure about whether this article needs a massive section on rankings at all, given that every ranking system, without exception, is close to worthless for comparison of universities, but if it must have one it should be in its own section in the body of the article. Currently it's bogging down the intro in an impenetrable discussion that no one will read. Nasica (talk) 02:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rankings discussion 

message: Isn't there any student at Sydney University who can grasp the niceties of Wiki formatting well enough to tidy it up? Amandajm (talk) 12:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a ''mess''

message: Sorry to have to write the obvious, but the Latin eadem means "same"--absolutely nothing else. Thus User:Tone.itdown1901 was simply incorrect to revert my literal translation of Sidere mens eadem mutato. The university certainly carries a freer variant translation on its website, but refrains from describing this as a literal translation. To satisfy both viewpoints, I have now fully spelt out the difference.  Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 08:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Thanks at least for eliminating the gross 'literal' error. Nonetheless, your view tends to confirm that the motto is actually a misepresentation, i.e., that there may be a quite different mentality beneath the Southern Cross, one in which expediency edges out plain speaking. So, to appropriately cement that difference, let's have it your way, and to hell with what the Latin means. Incidentally, my cited [official SU source] pronounces If a literal translation is required, then The constellation is changed, the disposition is the same is perhaps appropriate. Please consult provided external sources in future before arrogantly presuming to tutor a more experienced fellow WP editor. And, if you have no Latin, please accept that the internal WP source for eadem fully accords with elementary vocabulary taught to junior school pupils, and cannot be faulted in any way. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Though Bjenks has proved his point beyond dispute, I second what he is saying as a latin scholar myself. It is saddening when the bureaucracy of an organisation like Wikipedia gets in the way of fixing obvious mistakes. Tjpob (talk) 09:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin motto 

message: Can that bulbous, fishbowl image of the main quadrangle be replaced by something less garish? Tony (talk) 
:Sorry you don't like it.  That's a pretty standard projection for showing the inside of something that surrounds you. 99of9 (talk) 04:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there an undistorted image available? You could walk out and take one (parorama shot). Stitch together, upload to commons, and it can be presented as a horizontal scroll as the fishbowl thing is now. I have to wear shades to view that bulbous Luna Park wobbly-mirror one. Tony (talk)  14:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird image 

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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110511191247/http://www.planning.usyd.edu.au/statistics/pubs/Statistics2008.pdf to http://www.planning.usyd.edu.au/statistics/pubs/Statistics2008.pdf
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Some links are just too obscure to list.  Wikipedia suggests: 
:"When deciding what articles and lists of articles to append to any given entry, it is useful to try to put yourself inside the mind of readers: Ask yourself where would a reader likely want to go after reading the article." 
The suggested addition of a link to the article S* seems too obscure to me.  I don't think a link to that is at all a link to which a reader would likely wish to go after reading the article. For that reason I have removed it. I suggest that, if it is to be added at all, a link be added to the Faculty of Science or Engineering and Information Technologies pages.Veritasdetect (talk) 02:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem.  I have now put it on University of Sydney School of Molecular Bioscience, which is where one of the stakeholders and paper authors works.  Eno Lirpa (talk) 11:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also links 

message: Doesn't the name of the institution include the article "The"? This is the case if you look at the school's official logo. Isn't the name of the university "The University of Sydney" rather than just "University of Sydney"? --Han (talk) 13:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably best to look at WP:THE. A similar discussion was had recently (and multiple times) at Talk:Ohio State University Aloneinthewild (talk) 16:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name of institution