Talk:Cwm Rhondda

message: In the history section, the welsh version contains the repetition of 'Colofn dan rho’r nos i’m harwain,
A rho golofn niwl y dydd;'. The error is obvious because the translation is directly adjacent.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.204.74 (talk) 08:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: duplicate text

message: I don't think these two should be linked. The tune is the same, granted but the words are in a different language and changed. It is therefore a different song! Cls14 14:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. I've had a go at some of them. Hope they rate as an improvement. Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008

message: Also, I've never heard the last verse of the welsh 'Arglwydd arwain trwy'r anialwch'. there are 5 commonly sung verses, 4 of which i can remeber 
Arglwydd arwain drwy'r anialwch;
Agor y ffynhonau melys;
the third verse is
Pan fwy'n myned drwy'r Iorddonen
Angau creulon yn ei rym
Ti est drwyddi gynt dy hunan,
Pam na'i bellach ofni dim?
Buddugoliaeth, buddugoliaeth 
Gad i'm weiddi yn y don!
(when i GO THROUGH the jordan
Cruel Death in its power
You went through it previously yourself,
why should i fear anything now?
Victory! Victory!
Let me shout amongst the waves.
and the final verse
my favourite
Ymddiriedaf yn dy allu;
Mawr yw'r gwaith a wnest erioed,
Ti gest angau, ti gest uffern,
Ti gest satan dan dy droed.
Pen Calfaria,
Nad aed hwnnw fyth o'm cof.
(I wholly trust in your might;
The works you have wrought are ever great,
You have death, you have hell,
You have satan trampled underfoot.
Head of Calvary,
May i never let it slip from memory.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.133.159 (talk) 12:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2009

message: "and often erroneously called Bread Of Heaven" is a point of view, and needs an explicit source to back it up. !often nicknamed Bread of Heaven" would be better. -- 219.89.184.242 (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bread Of Heaven

message: I have inserted a section on the tune, as it is to the music that the name Cwm Rhondda strictly applies.
This includes a brief life of the composer, probably not sufficiently notable for his own article as this is his only hymn to survive in use, but worth a mention here.
I might have raised some controversy on the first date of the tune, but all the Welsh books agree on 1905 for the original.
I have also re-ordered the hymn texts, putting the main English and Welsh words first and losing the full text of Full salvation (yes, it's a great hymn but we can't put them all here!)
My feeling is to keep the words in this article; the English Guide me O Thou great Redeemer / Bread of Heaven is all but uniquely associated with this tune and the lovely Anne Griffiths Welsh words are virtually unknown other than to Welsh speakers. Neither needs a separate article in my view. In Welsh tradition, the associations of words and music are very strong so the name of the tune usually implies the text anyway.
I need to chase-up, then tidy up, the history of Pantycelyn's text - I feel the original and current versions are all we need.
This might take a while!
John M Brear (talk) 17:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responses to some of the above 

message: "The Welsh version shown here is a somewhat literal translation from the English version back into Welsh."  I don't understand this, since what's shown is an English version, a Welsh version, and then a second English version which is described as a verbatim translation (from Welsh to English).  Since the article summary says that the hymn was "originally Arglwydd, arwain trwy’r anialwch in Welsh", why would the Welsh version here be a translation?
Also, it talks about some hymn books "omitting verse 2 of the 6" but above only three verses are given in total.  Ed Avis (talk) 16:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation confusion 

message: Would someone add a line about how to pronounce 'Cwm Rhondda'?  I know how to pronounce it, but I have heard people say 'C.W.M.' <spelling it out as if they are initials. And then, 'Ronda', like a feminine name. I don't know how to use the international phonetic symbols.  But it is something like this in ordinary English equivalents:  Coom Hrontha.  R, trilled?  th, voiced, I think?  -rob
24.204.160.140 (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

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replies: text: See Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2021 April 22 - this translation is copyrighted. MER-C 18:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You might usefully copy over your research to here? And Idris Bell should be added? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed