Talk:Crosby, Merseyside

message: "Crosby has been home to some of the main protagonists of the greatest sea distasters of all time, including the RMS Titanic" 
The sinking of RMS Titanic was a first rate disaster, but not the worst ever. The sinking of the Gustloff at the end of WWII with roughly 6000 casualties compared to 1500 for the Titanic is considered to be the worst ever maritime disaster.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.27.220.220 (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but the Wilhelm Gustloff was a casualty of war, when massive casualties are the norm. It was not a "sea disaster" in the commonly understood definition of the term. RodCrosby (talk) 18:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest sea disaster of all times

message: Should Great Crosby be merged with this article? For practical purposes the places are indistinguishable. RodCrosby (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know too much of historical Crosby but it seems to me what is Great Crosby is Crosby. In fact the Great Crosby page is full of stuff that is better served elsewhere, ie the transport section. Well hyped up, hardly relevent to Crosby. Babydoll9799 (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am observing that the discussion on the merger has gone quiet? I am going to give it some time and if nothing happens I am going to downgrade the Great Crosby page. It is full of a lot of nonsense and the real information is basically Crosby one and the same. Babydoll9799 (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be worthwhile raising the matter at WT:MERSEY, that might attract more input. Nev1 (talk) 21:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text:  The Great Crosby and Crosby articles should not be merged, Great Crosby today is mearly the main area of the town of Crosby which gave the town and the old municipal borough its name, despite the confusion that exists, Great Crosby is not the actual town itself but is the largest area of it which was a urban district in its own right, which also contained Blundellsands and Thornton as well as the area that is modernly defined as Great Crosby which merged with Waterloo with Seaforth urban district to form the Municipal Borough of Crosby and defined the town of Crosby in its present borders. The areas of Blundellsands and Thornton today are considered to be Culturally, Socially and Historically a part of the modern town of Crosby and Historically part of the urban district of Great Crosby but are now separate neighbouring areas to Great Crosby which has an area today which is much smaller than the historical Urban District, So therefore Great Crosby today is mearly an area of the modern town of Crosby and is thus not the town itself. I have indicated this difference between town and area on both the Great Crosby and Crosby articles by listing the areas that are considered to be part of the town, in the Crosby article, and by stating that it is an area of Crosby and not the Town of Crosby itself, in the Great Crosby Article.  Gr8opinionater (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: What has happened to Notable residents on the Crosby page? I dont normally do anything on Crosby but i did remember a small list of people. Upon checking history there seemed to be a huge list of people and now there were none. I have added Anne Robinson for starters. Babydoll9799 (talk) 18:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: an over-zealous administrator deleted them on spurious grounds.RodCrosby (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable residents

message: I've been reading these comments with interest, and would just like to add my thoughts as a resident of "Crosby". To me Seaforth, Waterloo and Great Crosby (known locally as Crosby) are all separate areas and locals see them as such. The town of "Crosby" refered to in the article no longer exists and was abolished in 1974, to be replaced by Sefton. Confusion exists because the historical area of "Great Crosby" is now refered to by most as "Crosby". Also Crosby Police station, Civic Hall, Town Hall etc are all in Waterloo, which adds to the confusion. However, this is historical from when Waterloo was part of the old Crosby Borough and not Crosby town, it's now a district in it's own right. I believe the boundary for Crosby (or historically Great Crosby) begins by Merchant Taylors school, where as the boundary for Crosby Borough (no longer existing or relevant) starts at the Seaforth flyover. Therefore, in my opinion the article is fine to include Seaforth, and also Waterloo, if it's historical and about Crosby borough not contemporary about Crosby Village/Town.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.105.100 (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So Crosby "no longer exists", abolished 1974, and Great Crosby "no longer exists", abolished 1937. There are other considerations, apart from arbitrary and transient local government boundaries, you know. Like Waterloo being carved out of Crosby... RodCrosby (talk) 02:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  These discussions never got concluded. Does anyone still retain an interest? For my opinion i agree with the original (unnamed) writer. Also, why no merger between Great Crosby and Crosby as the pages are basically two of the same. You are talking about "Crosby". Everywhere else has its own page, ie Little Crosby, Thornton, Blundellsands. These may have been part of the municpal "town" but they are all just part of Sefton MBC now and are their own areas. Babydoll9799 (talk) 20:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

text: There definitely appears to be some level of confusion / duplication between actual locale vs historic entity vs government entity. Unfortuntely I am not well versed enough on the background to make the changes required, but I will see what I can identify. A starting point is Vision of Britain - Crosby which will give local boundaries and government divisions / subdivisions throughout the years. Koncorde (talk) 13:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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