Talk:Minangkabau people

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: From the section "Adat and religion" (emphasis mine):
In this belief system, people were said to have two souls, a real soul and a soul which can disappear called the semangat.
This seems like it might be the view of the writer, not the view of the believers. Would adherents to these beliefs have called one of the souls a "real" soul, in contrast to the other one? I can't easily check the source.
I hope it's not being stated that there are such things as souls, as that is very much a disputed claim.
— Misha
216.254.12.114 (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon me for suggesting some corrections: Sengat means sting (as in bee). It is not similar to Semangat (not Semengat), which means passion/zeal, i.e. the spirit to win challenges/tasks, not a soul. Garuda (Garoeda is the old spelling) has never been considered as god. It is just a vehicle animal of the Hindu God Vishnu. I agree that especially in the rural areas, the Indonesian traditional beliefs have not been rooted out completely by the coming of Islam, but for sure they are diminished. As for the name of the ghostly spirit, Hantu maybe is the more common spelling than Antu. I am a native Indonesian of Minangkabau descent. Rgds, XoXo (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible religious bias 

message: It's incredible, the Zhuang look exactly like the Minangkabau, from costume, attire to houses. Do some researcj anyone. --79.67.219.244 (talk) 10:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Without academic references, it is hard to believe the above comments. Their similarities are quite debatable. Rgds, XoXo (talk) 11:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhuang people 

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message: There are a couple of citation needed tags on this article that have been present for a while (since 2007). I would suggest fixing those as soon as posible or it could be quickfailed. AIRcorn (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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message: I'm pretty sure "Indonesian" is on the same status as "Malaysian" being both variants of the same Malay language according to the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, the language regulatory board for Malaysia; thus, the labels of "Indonesian and Malay [languages]" are incorrect - which I believe exhibit a more nation-centric bias (The concept of an "Indonesian language" only existed after the Sumpah Pemuda of the 1920s, many centuries after the migration of Minangkabau to the Malay Peninsula) and not from neutrally lingusitic and anthropological standpoints.
Take this from a Malaysian user with some actual Minangkabau lineage myself...we do exist, and I hope Indonesian editors acknowledge this aspect.
--Anumengelamun (talk) 08:05, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  On languages spoken: "''Indonesian, Malay''"? "''Indonesian, Malaysian''"? 

message: Hi . In your recent edits to this article, you have indicated in the summary that "The picture in the box must be the flag or coat of arms of an ethnic".
The reason that I have chosen to stick to photos that represent the ethnic group especially if it portrays them in their cultural settings instead of using flags or coat of arms because not all ethnic groups in Indonesia have their own flag or coat of arms.
Secondly, for the sake of uniformity within the scope of the Indonesian ethnic groups based articles, it be best to stick to the photos that closely represent the ethnic group culturally and anthropologically.
Thirdly, the photos that I've placed in the template are at the "|image=". If you really insist on using flags in the infobox, you may still do so with "|flag=" and "|flag_caption=" as seen in Template:Infobox ethnic group. You may also check that it is the same parameters that is used to place a flag in Germans and Czechs articles. Hence, no reasoning for the removal of the photo at "|image=".
Fourth, I have yet to see a wiki rule that specifically states that it is a must to only use flags or coat of arms for ethnic group based articles. As seen in the Template:Infobox ethnic group, there appears to be a distinction between "|image=" and "|flag=" with the example shown there. Also, nowhere coat of arms is mentioned in Template:Infobox ethnic group.
Fifth, based on the examples that you've given in the summary, the Germans and Czechs articles are also generally mono-ethnic nations (for the lack of a better term), although it could be too sketchy to get into the details of its specific demographics. Basically, an ethnic group with a set of culture, language, etc that also have their own country. Another example would be Japanese people. At present, the Minangkabau people do not have this status.
These are some of the points that I can think of at the moment. I look forward to your justification on using of the flag instead of a photo of the Minangkabau people themselves in the article. If there is no response, then I assume we should revert back to what it was previously. Thanks. -Jeblat (talk) 12:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag for ethnic group