Talk:A Matter of Loaf and Death

message: Has a release date for America been revealed yet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.117.23 (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Amazon.co.uk "This title will be released on March 30, 2009."  Maybe BBC America will show it before then or whoever normally buys it for the US or you could order it...  -- Horkana (talk) 22:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  American release?

message: === Correct title? ===
The official W&G website states "A Matter of Loaf or Death": Now in production.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.133.193 (talk) 01:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not it's not, it's just a pub used in the news article here: http://www.wallaceandgromit.com/forum/read/590/1 - the pun ‘Toast of the Town’ is also used in that article. The actual title is still Trouble at' Mill --Gaunt (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: My guess is that it is meant to represent the Northern English accent. ISD (talk) 08:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, that is indeed the intention. Gaunt 10:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we just need to find a reference to prove it. Is there one? ISD (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, the apostrophe shows missing letters. Standard English title would be "Trouble at the Mill". The word "the" is abbreviated to "t" and then the t is elided away because it follows a word ending in "t", "at". Hence "Trouble at'Mill". -- Derek Ross | Talk 20:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Normal way of writing that would be "Trouble at t'Mill" and pronounced that way with a slight gap between the two ts. There are local variants of pronunciation here in t'North, but I've never seen "at'". Peridon (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former title: Trouble At' Mill 

message: The official W&G website states "A Matter of Loaf or Death": Now in production.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.133.193 (talk) 01:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not it's not, it's just a pub used in the news article here: http://www.wallaceandgromit.com/forum/read/590/1 - the pun ‘Toast of the Town’ is also used in that article. The actual title is still Trouble at' Mill --Gaunt (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct title? 

message: Why is there an apostrophe in the title? Could this be mentioned in the article? —Robotech_Master (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that it is meant to represent the Northern English accent. ISD (talk) 08:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, that is indeed the intention. Gaunt 10:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we just need to find a reference to prove it. Is there one? ISD (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, the apostrophe shows missing letters. Standard English title would be "Trouble at the Mill". The word "the" is abbreviated to "t" and then the t is elided away because it follows a word ending in "t", "at". Hence "Trouble at'Mill". -- Derek Ross | Talk 20:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Normal way of writing that would be "Trouble at t'Mill" and pronounced that way with a slight gap between the two ts. There are local variants of pronunciation here in t'North, but I've never seen "at'". Peridon (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the apostrophe? 

message: At least in the Australian version, its Bake-o-light versus Bake-a-light (as appears currently). Not sure about the capitalisation though. I'm assuming this is region free so I'll update the article accordingly. 124.169.0.250 (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The official website has a characters page, where it's called "Bake-O-Lite". Note the capitalization and exact spelling. tedder (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Drat, I knew there was something I forgot, though it seems I remembered to use the correct spelling in my actual edit. That character page makes no mention of "Miss Thripp" as far as I can see and as far as I can see, she's a character from The Curse of the Wererabbit. The actor also appears in the "Starring" panel. Is she actually in this? Not from what I saw...124.169.0.250 (talk) 04:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  O vs A 

message: The article says that at the very end Wallace waves at Piella's ghost. The balloon is shown to not even have a seat as it rises out of the pit. Does anyone else think this is just Wallace hallucinating romantically? (there's a better phrase for that, i'm sure.) He'd be pretty freaked out to see a ghost, surely? JaffaCakeLover (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piella's Ghost 

message: This article currently contains an extensive list of cultural references, jokes and random details from the film, called 'facts and figures' - but it's clearly a trivia section, which should be avoided. That guideline advises that this kind of information should be incorporated into the article elsewhere if possible, but some of these details (like the comparison with the Doctor Who episode, Voyage of the Damned) are essentially original research and don't seem to belong anywhere. I'm not sure how to handle this - the trivia section as a whole is probably inappropriate and ought to be removed, but our articles on the two most recent Wallace & Gromit films have them as well: see Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit#In jokes and A Close Shave#In-jokes and references. Perhaps the best solution would be to keep the trivia section but provide references for it, if possible. Comments and input on this section would be appreciated. Terraxos (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Wallage & Gromit films are rather unique, in that there are so many subtile jokes and analogies to other films, that it is physically impossible to see all of them in one showing, and still follow the plot.  I did start this section (based on similar sections in the other films) - even so I had to view the film as saved AVI on the PC and make frequent use of the pause control to be able to see and log the items - of which I found only about half of the current list. Because of the nature of all the items, I felt it was very hard to avoid a list format.  Ronhjones (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a crying shame to lose this section as it contains so much information. I hope that wise heads will rule and that it will remain unadulterated.--Gaunt (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  (Edit conflict, re-adding this comment). I added the tag marking this as Trivia because this section needs to be kept as short as possible.  Since I added the tag the section has nearly doubled but it seems to have been a necessary trade off to get the main Plot section down to a more manageable size.  I'm definitely in favour of including all kinds of information but there was a lot of duplication, the plot section contained (and with care it could contain) most of the information found in the references section.  Lists are useful but are just not as enjoyable to read as a well written paragraph.  I considered removing the trivia tag when I saw the previous shorts also included a similar section but on balance I think it needs to stay for a while to help keep the list short.  -- Horkana (talk) 17:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes it's great to see a trivia section, but it does just seem like a long, long list. I've noticed a few references to films/TV programmes, so I'm guessing it is entirely possible to re-write the section into paragraphs such as: "A Matter of Loaf and Death contains numerous in-jokes including references to films, for example..." etc etc. I'm trying to take (an unsuccessful) Christmas wikibreak, but if the trivia tag remains I don't mind trying to re-work it. :) londonsista Prod 19:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: Cannot put my finger on it but I'm not satisfied with the section labelled "Other". Firstly the label is so generic as to be unhelpful, that problem could only be more obvious if it were called "Miscellaneous" or "Stuff".  I'm not sure if it is commentary or review or opinion or even original research.  I don't want to delete it yet (or move possible move it here for further review) as it could potentially be included if it was referenced from a review or external source.  Perhaps the points raised could be merged into the article elsewhere? -- Horkana (talk) 17:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's to stay then call it something like "Deviations from other Wallace and Gromit Adventures" since we have "Continuity with other Wallace and Gromit Adventures". I agree that "Other" is poor. Ronhjones (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other" section, rephrase, merge, remove? 

message: Piella lives at 12a Pastry Rise - shown as part of a metal arch at the boundary.  I'm sure I've seen the similar design in some film (anyone know?), and I've just seen similar in Johnathon Creek tonight, where the house is called Metropolis. Ronhjones (talk) 02:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: House Archway

message: I'm not happy about the bit in the article where it says Piella instructs Wallace to have the cake at four o'clock. I've seen it twice, and I'm sure Wallace says it'll be grand for four o'clock tea without being instructed or prompted be Piella. I don't have TV with this new re-run thing (I don't have TV of any sort!), so I can't go back to check. Could someone with this facility have another look, and alter if appropriate? Peridon (talk) 15:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem:- (your memory is good) Piella brings in the cake "Here's a cake to celebrate", Wallace "We could have that with our 4 o'clock tea".  Later holding Gromit bay the neck - "Pity you'll miss you master's tea party - it will go off with a bang", and shows the big clock at 3:57.  Piella never says the time.Ronhjones (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ta muchly. Do you want to do the honours? I can't think quite how to reword it.  Peridon (talk) 16:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Dunnit meself. Peridon (talk) 20:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Four o'clock

message: Am I right in thinking that this episode of W&G is the one with the least amount of voices (ie just Wallace and Piella).  --TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Baker Bob does speak - very briefly - before landing in his dough. There is a voice credited for Fluffles, who whimpers and giggles. Peridon (talk) 23:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Having just looked at your link, I've no idea who Miss Thripp is. The Fluffles voice was credited on the film when I saw it on TV (not mine - I don't have one!). Peridon (talk) 23:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep.  I just watched the first couple of minutes again and Bob does speak.  Oviously Grommit never makes a noise, but think you are right for Fluffles, but as Geralding McEwan was Miss Marple I very much doubt that would have been her --TimothyJacobson (talk) 13:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Furthermore to the above.  According to imdb, Melissa Collier does the voice of Fluffles.  (Peter Sallis as Wallace, and Sally Lindsay as Piella - but we knew those).  It also says that Sarah Laborde was the Bake O Lite singer.  I think my original statement of it being the W&G with the least voices is probably wrong.  IMDB also says that Geraldine McEwan did Miss Thripp but was uncreditted http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1118511/fullcredits#cast and that Miss Thripp was in The Curse of The Were-Rabbit http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0117474/ - I still don't remember her being in (or speaking in) Loaf & Death though. --TimothyJacobson (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I think A Grand Day Out only had Wallace speaking. I'm not sure about The Wrong Trousers, but there wouldn't be many there. Peridon (talk) 17:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Just checked on imdb.  Wrong Trousers and Close Shave only have Wallace creditted as speaking; Close Shave also has Anne Reid as Gwendoline--TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I've gotta go out now, but could someone please list these voice credits (citing imdb as a source) on the main wiki page please --TimothyJacobson (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I just added them myself (ie Melissa Collier & Sarah Laborde).  Not going to add Geraldine McEwan til I'm comfortable she was in it.  As I've put them in the info box, I didn't cite imdb --TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Voices

message: This is all original research - some of it probably ought to be included, such as the references to Bakelite, and maybe the pun in the title. However, most of it just recites small jokes that may or may not be in the film, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I've left these here for future reference.Bob talk 11:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In specific regard to the claim Fluffles tries to commit sucide at the end- Nick Park comments on the DVD commentary that that wasn't how the scene was intended and he didn't even consider it until someone pointed it out after the UK TV premiere.--HellCat86 (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I just interpreted it as her being lonely. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 17:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: All Removed Trivia "facts and figures"

message: I know that the trivia section has been deleted, but just to note the presence of Bagpuss in the box of returned items was put in as a tribute to Oliver Postgate, though it must have been included before his death [08 Dec 2008] as the short was first shown on 03 Dec 2008:
"In his latest Wallace and Gromit film, A Matter of Loaf and Death, to be screened by the BBC on Christmas Day, Nick Park - who cited Postgate's less famous Pogle's Wood as his greatest influence - has included his own small tribute, with the blessing of Peter Firmin, Postgate's creative partner: Gromit's old Bagpuss doll gets thrown in the bin, but mercifully is later retrieved."
ref = http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/postgate-bagpuss-animation-television1 137.222.114.235 (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bagpuss 

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