Talk:Shyness

message: "In developing this market they may not be alone in the exploitation of such, as many may be wealthy, eccentric, high achievers, often do, and driven by a madness they suffer from an anxiety to succeed."
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.220.20 (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: cf. the meme "Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?". --NicoScribe (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shyness as pathology: ESL conclusion 

message: This article should not link to the Introversion article. Such things only serve to perpetuate stereotypes regarding introverted people. 
Introversion has nothing to do with shyness, and the vast majority of introverts are not shy.
:Exactly what I was about to say. Introversion and shyness are completely different things. There are a few sentences in here that say that shyness is a form of introversion, when really it's not. The two are often confused, especially by extroverts, but they aren't the same. BaboonOfTheYard (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introversion? 

message: The links here seem to be a little value. We need fewer, higher quality links that are actually useful. However, as soon as I removed one of the worst of the bunch (shyunited forums), it got reverted. We need to do SOMETHING, not just leave it the way it is.  Someone else please come up with some suggestions.  -- Barrylb 04:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links cleanup 

message: Can anyone create a simple English version of the article?--Luke Elms 01:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple English article 

message: The statement is untrue, especially in the Midwestern states.  This trait is not exclusive to the USA as a whole.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.189.5.201 (talk) 16:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it untrue too, so it's now fixed. Besides, that sentence actually have no references. Please someone put some references, or it will be removed from the article. bladez (talk) 09:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please remove "American culture" and replace with "many cultures" 

message: The statement that American culture tends to favor individualism and looks negatively at shyness is probably true, but the reality of shyness shouldn't be limited solely to how America views the phenomenom. In effect, the article is not about "America and Shyness".
By contrast, Chinese/Asian cultures tend to view shyness in a very favorable light, often considering shy person as having wisdom, individuality and uniqueness of character. Therefore at the very least, I suggest including this contrasting cultural view on shyness for a more balanced approach. (Ronsword (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Consider adding shyness as perceived in Chinese culture, not just American culture

message: I suggest removing the statement "in more forgiving arenas" as a counter reference to the first statement "in some cultures". While some cultures do, indeed, look down on shyness as a behavior (and not necessarily on shy people, per se), other cultures look up to those who are shy; the latter are not necessarily 'forgiving' of shy people and in fact, may represent a different cultural paradigm which holds shy people in high esteem. Regards, (Ronsword (talk) 16:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Consider removing 'forgiveness' reference

message: "So we might recognize as individuals, these elements in our personality, as a withdrawal from our public, the people we know, who might judge us, in fact they may be judging themselves, because they may suffer from the same."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.43.45 (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this supposed to be an English sentence? 

message: This article appears to have used the "Internet Shyness FAQ" (formerly the alt.support.shyness FAQ) http://www.shyFAQ.com as a source of research, based on the fact that it uses at least one unique phrase  "crippling physical manifestations of uneasiness" directly from the FAQ. The use of the phrase in the alt.support.shyness FAQ goes back over ten years so it predates the use in this Wikipedia entry or elsewhere online. Therefore, it seems only fair to include a link to http://www.shyFAQ.com as a reference.  TimMagic (talk) 15:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shyness FAQ as source of research 

message: The following, from the Shyness as pathology section, looks like a plausible reference to a serious, interesting and relevant article about the medicalisation of shyness, but is hopelessly garbled. Where's the full reference to the article? Is it by one author (Jenny Hope) or two (surnames Hope and Jenny) – and, either way, why is the author (singular) then referred to as "he"? The first quote is meaningless out of context: is it meant to be the author's own view of a reasonable medical diagnosis, or (as I suspect) the author's prediction of the extremes to which the current tendency to medicalise shyness might lead? In the second quote, is the date 1940 actually an error for 1840, which seems much more likely? The messing up of quotation marks makes it unclear whether the Peter Kinderman quote is from the same article or not: if it isn't, what's the source for that? If anyone has access to the article, could they sort this out.
:In a recent article by Hope, Jenny (2012) "shyness in a child could be classed as mental illness", the author mentions that "back in 1940 the census of the United States included just one category for mental disorder. By 1917 the American Psychiatric Association recognized 59, rising to 129 in 1959, 227 in 1980, and 347 in the last revision". He continues by saying "there is a real danger that shyness will become social phobia, bookish kids labelled as Asperger's and so on.'Peter Kinderman, head of the Institute of Psychology, University of Liverpool, said: 'It will exacerbate problems that result from trying to fit a medical, diagnostic, system to problems that just don't fit nicely into those boxes.
Thanks. GrindtXX (talk) 16:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it. It's a rather sensationalist piece in the Daily Mail – here for anyone who's interested – and I don't think worth citing. I've deleted the paragraph. GrindtXX (talk) 19:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hope, Jenny (2012) article 

message: This study is explaining the correlation between gender, shyness, and social acceptance. This study assessed two hundred and thirty-one youths shyness and social acceptance at two separate times; one year apart. The study analyzed both male and female youths by
assigning them professional tests but for this article I will only discuss the shyness one. Teachers were told to use the "Shyness subscale of the Early Adolescent Temperament Questionnaire" (Capaldi and Rothbart 1992). This study had a specific emphasis on social situations. Questions tapped the youth's general shyness, quietness and lack of social initiative. Data from this showed a majority of .92 for reports of shyness. It is also noteworthy that boys were rated by teachers as being more shy than girls in the present study. 
- I'm not sure if everyone will be able to access this file because you need to first purchase a license, which King's has so if anyone needs to relate to it I can put it up somewhere? Not sure how to exactly cite properly as well if someone could help me with this?
- Also I would say that with this information we could start a new sub-heading stating "Shyness in adolescents".
Srovithi (talk) 02:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Miller, Scott (2009) study

message: ―I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012‖ Dsmit89 (talk) 21:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to both of you! Lova Falk talk 18:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychology 2410A at King's

message: *I am afraid that I had to remove a large body of text involving a single study on shyness and illness. Wikipedia has guidelines and policies regarding the use of primary sources, see WP:PSTS. Also, see WP:UNDUE. Finally, it is a WP:COI to mention the names of people known to you. Instead, use scientific review articles to build and improve Wikipedia. Best to stick to researchers in the field who are "big names"; the way to tell that is if they have a Wikipedia article themselves. Speciate (talk) 02:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have re-entered the large body of text involving the single study on shyness and illness because APS is recommending the addition of this kind of material to Wikipedia because it is far better than the kinds of sources they typically want. Dsmit89 (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: * However, this one study gets way too much space in this article. This is not a scientific article, or a studybook in which it can be appropriate to give a detailed description of a study, this is an encyclopedic article on shyness and we should be concise. Please Dsmit89, summarize the section! Lova Falk talk 12:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: * I can only endorse what Speciate and Lova Falk have said: this article may well be worth a mention, but its principal findings need to be summarized in no more than a single sentence or two, within the context of the wider discussion. In addition, please cite it fully: you have given the authors, title and year, but you have only mentioned that it is in the Canadian Journal of Behaviour Science in the body of the text – that information should be in the citation – and you should also provide a volume number and page numbers. All these details may be required by anyone wishing to follow it up and consult the full article, which is one of the purposes of providing references. In fact, you should probably add the full reference to the Bibliography at the foot of the article. GrindtXX (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Shyness and illness

message: The same things that were said about "Shyness and illness" can be said about "Gender, Shyness and Social Acceptance". Only really special and seminal studies, that have made a major contribution to the development of the scientific knowledge about a subject should be cited here. Please summarize. Lova Falk talk 12:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Again agreed: please summarize much more succinctly, and please cite the source in full. Here you have sourced the article only to Springer Science+Business Media, who are the publishers of multiple journals: it could prove extremely difficult for someone to track down the full article. The publisher is unimportant: the journal title is essential (as are volume and page numbers). GrindtXX (talk) 02:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender, Shyness and Social Acceptance: An empirical study 

message: Today I removed two more empirical studies. Do I understand correctly that adding an empirical study is part of their assignment on Wikipedia? In that case, it is a real problem, because Wikipedia is not the right place to describe empirical studies. This is an encyclopedia! It should describe accepted knowledge, preferably from secondary sources! I find it a very frustrating situation, first for the students to see their work removed, and also for us, who need to clean up several articles. Lova Falk talk 09:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: PS We have a discussion about this at User talk:Pauljosephconway/Psychology 2410A at King's Lova Falk talk 10:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empirical studies 

message: Okay, this is the the first time I EVER that I've heard the claim that shy people are perceived as being less intelligent. Usually a hear the exact opposite, shy people are perceived as being more intelligent, and a quick search on google appears to confirm that for at least people on the internet. I think something about that should be adressed in the article, maybe it's just that everyone on the internet is an introvert, but that section is from an extrovert perspective, I don't know. Anyway, if the perception that shy people are perceived as less intelligent is brought up than equally the perception that shy people are more intelligent should als be brought up as it's also culturally prevalent to a significant degree.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.228.108.125 (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your comment! The section Intelligence actually says "data collected leans toward a positive rather than negative correlation between intelligence and shyness, though it isn't statistically significant." However, there were also a couple of unsourced statements about the stereotype of less intelligence, so I put "citation needed"-tags behind these sentences. They are really ugly, so I hope someone will provide the source. Lova Falk talk 16:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are shy people really perceived as being less intelligent? 

message: I have added sections on:
- social and behavioral inhibition
- low birthrates in relation to shyness
- Perception of Eastern and Western cultures on shyness-inhibition and
- examples of different cultural views
These changes have been approved by my professor Csing (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things added 

message: I removed this because Keillor self reports as shy but does not show any of the symptoms. If anything Keillor shows more signs of being a psychopath, he just says that he is shy to be manipulative. Also Keillor is not an expert in the field of psychology so what he says does not matter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.132.149 (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Garrison Keillor reference 

message: There are some biological origins of shyness but there is no part with psychological origins of shyness (with title). I think this is unbalanced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.41.224.172 (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi 178.41.224.172! If you have good, secondary sources – and please also check WP:MEDRS – then please be bold and write a section about it! With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 17:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of shyness 

message: Does anybody else think that the section examining shyness as perceived in Western cultures vs. perception in Eastern cultures is too general?
Perhaps it's that the very notion of a singular Western culture and singular Eastern culture is flawed, but - to me at least - stating that in Western culture shyness is perceived as negative, whilst in Eastern culture it is perceived as being positive, sounds like a broad and frankly unhelpful generalisation. I find it pretty questionable.
For one thing, the section references the text The Development of Shyness and Social Withdrawal by Kenneth H. Rubin, Robert J. Coplan, which uses as its own reference for all of 'Western culture' North America. Surely there would be variation between Western European, Southern European, Eastern European and North American cultural perception of shyness? So how can a study of North America be used as a representation of all 'Western' civilisation? Similarly, the text uses a study of traditional China to represent all 'Eastern' civilisation - do we not think shyness would be perceived differently in Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, India, Iran etc.? 
I think an edit of this section would be appropriate to reflect a less bilateral view (East vs. West).
77.99.12.140 (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different cultural views - 'Western culture' vs. 'Eastern culture' too great a generalisation? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the first paragraph, we read the sentence "The primary characteristic of shyness is a largely ego-driven fear of what other people will think of a person's behaviour". This is merely a popular belief about shyness, and no citation is given for any empiricial evidence to support this claim. Vorbee (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed

message: The source cited to support that intelligence and shyness aren't correlated explicitly defines "shy" as something completely different from the actual meaning right from the start, so it's invalid.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.200.80.23 (talk) 06:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link with intelligence 

message: This article is written from the point of view of shyness as a personality trait. Nevertheless, in normal English it is also used to characterise the behaviour of infant children in the presence of strangers. I've added a link to [Stranger anxiety] at the disambiguation page but I really think that there should be a direct link from the top of this page. Psychological usage is fine, but some help should be given to people who are looking for 'shyness' in one of its ordinary English senses and not just in the narrower psychological sense.
Bathrobe (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shyness in infants