Talk:German-occupied Europe

message: Proposing a move to the correct grammatical formulation with an en-dash. Dhaluza (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Non-controversial. The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: Finland was in fact never occupied by Nazi Germany, although Finland and Germany fought the same enemy, and there were German soldiers fighting mainly on the nothern frontier.
:noooo what european nations occompined during world war 2  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.53.228 (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there were German troops in Finland, however, I'm not sure whether "occupation" is a good word to describe that as it's rarely used to describe voluntary troop positioning within an area. Germany didn't "occupy" Finland in the sense they occupied, for example, Poland and France. Also, do not call other editors noobs, it's not polite and, no offense, it makes you seem like one too when combined with your spelling errors. 212.68.15.66 (talk) 12:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland under German occupation? 

message: Shouldn't we have an article on German-occupied territories in WWI? There is an article on Ober-Ost... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about WWI? 

message: Why such country as Romania,Bulgaria,Finland are not in the list?
In these country were large concentration of german army,german base,and there were subject to german influence.
Obvious the so called "germanic country" were ultimately slated to become part of Germany.
But the romania ,bulgaria ,Finland were all in german control and influence,german politics and ideology,under a pupet states of germany
In romania all raffinery,ports,cityes were controled by germany,same in and bulgaria and Finland
We talk here about the nation?we talk here about the state which were subbordonary to Germany.
Like in Soviet empire after ww2, there were not incorporet in soviet union ,but where directly under soviet influnce and control.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BogdaNz (talk • contribs) 15:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If reliable sources that say they were under German control to that extent, you're free to add the information. Otherwise it's just WP:OR, WP:FRINGE and WP:TRUTH. Zakhalesh (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe in ww2

message: It seems rather bogus to refer to the occupation of Lithuania and Latvia by Nazi Germany,  accompanied by the independent flags of those nations,   since those countries had already been invaded,  and their independence extirpated,  by the Soviet Union.Eregli bob (talk) 11:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems it should be rather the opposite considering the annexation of the Baltic states by the Soviet Union was illegal. H2ppyme (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuania and Latvia 

message: Can someone please tell me what "Occupied countries of Nazi Germany:" is supposed to mean? It makes no sense neither as a phrase nor in context, since it includes the German occupation regimes with the occupations of other Axis allies. --Constantine   ✍  10:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Just like Finland, I would like to remove Bulgaria and Romania from the list. The presence of retreating German troops after both countries nominally declared war on Germany after the political changes hardly constitute an "occupation". These were troops stationed in countries allied with Germany. --Kreuzkümmel (talk) 16:37, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgaria and Romania 

message: Vichy Tunisia, in French North Africa, and under pro-Nazi Vichy rule, should be added, because it was occupied by Nazi Germany from November 1942 till May 1943.
Can you please add this information. Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You should also add inline citations to reliable sources, please take the time to read Help:Referencing for beginners. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vichy Tunisia 

message: "At the time of the war, France had territory outside of the European continent that during the war was ruled by pro-Nazi Vichy France. Of French North Africa, Tunisia was ruled by Vichy France and the government of pro-Nazi Marshal Philippe Pétain was occupied by the SS, and the German army during six months from November 1942 till May 1943."
I am sorry Carole but I do not agree to your editing as it does not reflect the historical reality of the time, at all.
And where is this sentence? In which article? 
Frankly Carole, I was expecting honest collaboration and help for a new comer.
I did notice an editor putting a reference in the correct template.
You just deleted my citation. 
Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your issue here? The draft needs reworking but it does reflect, roughly the chain of events. We can certainly improve it. You seem to only accept help and collaboration when you agree with it. This has to stop. Now I have officially offered you mentoring on your talk page Henia. I need a reply. Conditions of mentorship will follow. Simon Irondome (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: French Vichy Information

message: Good morning everybody,
Carole advised me to post my modification also in "Talk" of the article, and maybe "add a See also, though, about Vichy France. Well, reader will have to click there and read "Terminology."
That's what I suggested, without undue weight, and with modification in capital:
German occupied Europe 
German–occupied Europe or Nazi Europe refers to the sovereign countries of Europe, INCLUDING FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (ref. 1) which were occupied by the military forces of Nazi Germany at various times between 1939 and 1945 and administered by the Nazi regime.(ref. 2)
ref. 1. “In November 1942, … French North Africa …  this extension of Europe ...” Kaspi, André Les Juifs pendant l'occupation. Seuil, Paris: Éditions du Seuil 1991; p. 175. 
German Map of Europe of the German general staff dated 20, 1942;
 in p. 3 of article written by Dr. Norbert Kampe, historian and then Director of the Wannsee House, and published in 
SHALOM/VOL. XLI/PRINTEMPS 2004/PESSAH 5764
http://www.shalom-magazine.com/pdfs/41/Fr/KAMPE%20FR_41.pdf
“Under the French-German cease-fire agreement, North Africa was considered part of unoccupied Vichy France”
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%205726.pdf
Ref. 2. Encyclopædia Britannica, German occupied Europe. World War II. Retrieved 1 September 2015 from the Internet Archive.
I am not objective, but I think that he modification, with reliable sources, is simple and sweet.
What do you think?
Thank you,
Have a wonderful day! Henia Perlman (talk) 14:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, as a clarification, I said: ":You're working with Simon / , so posting something on his talk page to work on developing content, citations, etc. is a good thing. I just meant that otherwise, content should be posted on the article talk page."–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: German Occupied Europe

message: *Support. Clear and consistent. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *That also applies to the current title: 'German-occupied Europe' is the part of Europe occupied by Germany. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

text: *Right, and this article is about the part of Europe occupied by Germany. It is restricted in time and, although I think it is almost a term of art unto itself, we can disambiguate in other ways if need be. Srnec (talk) 15:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

text: *I don't think a typical reader would consider an article with the title "German occupation of Europe" to infer merely that the country of Germany is in the continent of Europe. Facts707 (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *Neither do I. But I do think a substantial number would find it odd-sounding. It's like saying "Britain should not leave Europe". I doubt it would actually confuse many people (at least not in the UK or Europe), but it is still a little odd. Srnec (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

text: *It is not necessary for nominators to support their own nominations.There has only ever been one German occupation of Czechoslovakia. Srnec (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that whilst someone with a passing knowledge may know that Germany did not occupy Europe in the 14-18 war someone else may not, thus we identify what war we are talking about (as we do on other topics). But you will note it is only a wael support, at the end of the day you are also correct.Slatersteven (talk) 08:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :::This Wikipedia doesn not have a page about occupation, the closest page is also Military occupation, "Military or belligerent occupation" so "occupied and civil occupied" should be linked together. "The rules of occupation are delineated in various international agreements". 
:::The Germans did not obey the rules, they  exterminated, annected, drafted, robbed, expelled, etc. in Eastern and Southern Europe. Occupation of Western Europe was different, This page does not inform about the differences.Xx236 (talk) 07:06, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Division between two parts of Europe

message: Albania was an independent kingdom before Italian and then German occupation. Not part of Yugoslavia. Linkin Prankster (talk) 11:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albania 

message: Why is the map of German occupied territory :File:German Reich 1942 (Extended).svg being removed?  Meters (talk) 09:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm unsure; given that this is ostensibly multiple editors I'm going to assume it's a sock puppetry issue. I'm going to revert and urge the user to come to the talk page while recommending page protection. — Czello (music) 08:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Map of German occupied territory

message: Just some suggestions.
1. the current map shows height of German occupation as of November 1942: however it evidently shows the beginning of the month. The actual height would have been as of November 18, 1942 (just before the Soviet Operation Uranus), when in addition to the territories shown, the Germans during Case Anton had occupied the entirety of the Vichy held zone of France and the entirety of Tunisia (unlike the rest of North Africa the Germans initiated this occupation on their own before Italian involvement, and should be considered their occupied territory). This was the actual high water mark; at least the claim should be modified if not the map.
2. There is a strange approach to puppet states compared to other empire maps on wikipedia. While client states under soft occupations of sorts are included in other empire articles they are not here. While I understand Romania and Hungary being excluded for the November 1942 map since they were proper allies with usual German troop deployments, I would say the Independent State of Croatia and Tizo’s Slovakia were under much more direct control, with troop deployments to back the Puppet regimes from internal dissidents, and very much propped up by Germany. Although I get this is about “occupation”, I think a seperatre tab for occupied or directly controlled puppet-state or something like that would apply here, especially since both those states existed from German military intervention to begin with. I dont think German troop gains in North Africa, Tunisia aside, would be included in this though, as they were acting under ultimate Italian aegis during the Egypt campaign.
3. The addition of different maps at different times. Although the largest extent was in November 1942, there were other water marks that included territory not under control in November 1942. In early December 1941 for example Germany held a huge salient toward Moscow as a result of Operation Taifun. In September 1943 as a result of the Italian Armistice Germany directly occupied Italy all the way down the boot except for the Allied landing zones at Salerno and southern Calabria at the Messina strait, in addition to Vichy France mentioned earlier. It also occupied all of the italian occupation zone in Greece (including all the Ionian and Aegean islands) and occupied Albania from Italian troops, along with Corsica Sardinia and Italian held parts of France. Thats much larger than what is again claimed to be the height in this article. Although smaller territorially than the true height, it is probably the largest size demographically (at least 60 million people in those territories).
I’d love to help adding sources and maps for this but I have no idea what software/applications were used to generate the maps shown in the article. 
Thanks for the consideration. A.S. 2409:4050:E01:C898:D53B:5284:7B3A:EE31 (talk) 00:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested revisions for the map graphic