Talk:IPA

message: Haha, I never thought that the change of the redirect would pass! Look at the things on this disambig page other than the International Phonetic Alphabet: they are all stubs, and one thing is about a card game, oh my God.....I won't fight it though. </rant> The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 02:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I am confused, IPA is currently redirecting to the wrong place. Nareek 03:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: This discussion is essentially independant of whether IPA should redirect to this page or not.
I have done a fairly thorough analysis of the ordering of the items in the top list (i.e. those not in organisations). I based it on google results all taken on 15:00 29 Mar 2008 GMT. I appreciate this isn't a perfect measure but it's better than the previous random ordering, and I didn't do it blindly (see notes below). The order in this table is the new order I have given the terms.  The hits is for number of hits for a google of the term in quotes. "First page" is the page where the term first appeared in a google for IPA (most matches were organisations), ignoring the wikipedia match. 
Term                                    	Hits      	First page
International Phonetic Alphabet,        	246,000   	1
India Pale Ale                          	575,000   	2
Isopropyl Alcohol                       	898,000   	>10
International Players Anthem            	123,000   	>10
Integrated Planning Act                 	29,900    	>10
Instrument for Pre-Accession Assistance 	26,700    	>10
Interpretative Phenomenological Analysis	25,200    	>10
Interprocedural analysis                	24,700    	>10
Invasion, Planeshift, Apocalypse        	6,220     	>10
Intelligent Process Automation          	2,280     	>10
Intermediate power amplifier            	2,120     	>10
IP Address                              	54,400,000	>10
Notes:
* Ale vs. alcohol (places 2 vs. 3): although isopropyl alcohol has more hits than the ale, I believe google pagerank tells us that the main reason for this is because the ale is often referred to as "IPA" without expansion rather than because it is less popular. In fact I would have ordered all the rest according to pagerank for "IPA", if they'd appeared further up the list.
* Alphabet vs. ale (places 1 vs. 2): The above point applies here as well, and indeed probably even more strongly. In addition the alphabet is of interest to anyone in the international community, whereas ale of chiefly European and to some extent North American interest (in fact, it's probably mostly of note in the UK); snce wikipedia is meant to be international, this gives additional weight to this argument (although the previous point is still the main reason).
* All the rest: the first point still applies, but since they don't appear within reason in a google for "IPA", number of hits is all I have to go on for possible interest.
* IP Address: obviously this is the most popular term (at least, on the internet it is). However in 20 years in computing (including working with other others across the globe) I've never heard an IP address (which is already an abbreviation!) shortened to IPA. If anything, it sometimes gets shortened to "an IP", even though technically IP is the protocol. I was a little dubious about even leaving it on the page, but I guess it's possible some communities call it this.
I tried to clean up the organisation section a little, given that the top term (Illinois Psychological Association) was the amongst the least significant, but I have to admit I wasn't nearly as thorough. I mostly moved the international organisations to the top and the regional ones towards the bottom, with the final one (the prohibition organisation) one that doesn't exist anymore. If you make changes to the order of either section, please be sure explain why here. Thanks. Quietbritishjim (talk) 15:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While the numbers are interesting, they don't even back the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC which I've set per MOSDAB and put these common items into the bulk of the dab. Widefox; talk 16:33, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Lists

message: Shouldn't the Wikipedia phonetic charts be included as well?--Anthonzi (talk) 11:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:IPA]] 

message: @Nardog here's the data that I used to support the recent ordering edit:
* clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    5353
* clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    3821
* clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    526
* clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    228
* clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:IPA    FreeIPA link    58
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    7959
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    6219
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    411
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    238
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    54
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6969
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    4258
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    377
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    215
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:IPA    3-Indolepropionic_acid  link    38
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6915
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    3651
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    361
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    222
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    30
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6808
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    3389
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    387
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    227
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    55
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6269
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    3814
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    335
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    173
* clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    50
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6852
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    2940
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    424
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    225
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    77
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Alphabet link    6315
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:IPA    India_pale_ale  link    2758
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:IPA    Isopropyl_alcohol       link    370
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:IPA    International_Phonetic_Association      link    240
* clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:IPA    .ipa    link    48
--Joy (talk) 18:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't describe 3.5 years as "consistent". Besides, what is the PAG basis for sorting entries like this? It also makes the alphabet and association separated, which I find unnecessarily confusing. Nardog (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In every one of the monthly stats I checked, it was the same order, that was the consistent part. An alphabetical sorting may make sense for a long list, but for a list of only 4 entries it's not necessary, no reader is thinking "hm I'm looking for India... and not Intern... and therefore because d is before t in the alphabet I'm going to look in spot #2 instead of #3" - it's so short that everyone just skims the links in all four entries and most of them quickly find what they want. As we know that most reading begins from the top and goes down, it makes sense to put the most commonly sought topics in that order. --Joy (talk) 10:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Then can we move the association back to the body? Its pageviews pale in comparison to the other three. Nardog (talk) 10:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how that follows. The reason I moved it there is that readers apparently found it in the body despite it not being in the top list, or even atop its own list, yet it consistently attracted essentially comparable interest to isopropyl alcohol, which was. If we should make a smaller top list, then alcohol should go, too, but in turn then both of those items should be at the top of their sections, and those sections should be one after the other. Maybe we could then move the science section ahead of organizations, to avoid having to scroll through the whole laundry list of insignificant organizations to get to the alcohol. --Joy (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing both the alcohol and the association seems fine with me (while they're clicked more than the rest of the list, they're about an order of magnitude below the top two), but people do seem to keep adding them back.  Alternatively, nesting the association as in this version from 2013 (!) is a lot more readable. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, please feel free to choose whichever options appeals most to you. --Joy (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the latter (making the organization subordinate), the alcohol gets many views (and it is in fact "commonly referred to"—unlike the organization, which I suspect gets more views than it deserves because of banner blindness). Nardog (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thing people have done is add an explicit section heading for the common meanings, presumably to address any such banner blindness? --Joy (talk) 05:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  clickstreams data