Talk:Kartini

message: Just to let anyone who is interested know that I am working on translating the Featured article about Kartini that recently appeared in the Indonesian Wikpedia.
If anyone is interested in helping out with this project, please let me know on my talk page. Cheers, --Sepa 11:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. I've left some comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias_open_tasks#Kartini. --Cherry blossom tree 20:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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:((b) it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarising the topic, and the remaining text is organised into a system of hierarchical sections:
: The article lists further studies and teaching under "Ideas" when it seems pretty clear that it should be in the Bio section as her desires to teach and her family's refusal to allow her clearly were big momments, not really ideas but life ambitions crushed. Seperating the two results in this weird writing style where she dies twice (Bio and Ideas).
:The article needs to be structred better
is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FAC, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.
: The article says that her letters were published postmortem and then "attracted great interest in the Netherlands and Kartini's ideas began to change the way the Dutch viewed native women in Java. Her ideas also provided inspiration for prominent figures in the fight for Independence." But who were these leaders and how were they affected? It never even says when the letters were published or what the timeline was for her national rise to prominence. Nor does it say how Van Deventer and Abendanon came to know of her and why they were inspired by her. Also, 
:There seems to be holes in this story and they need to be filled. 
the citation of its sources is essential, and the use of inline citations is desirable, although not mandatory: 
:There's controversy in this subject relating to the veracity of her letters and there are claims made without sources that There are some grounds for doubting the veracity of Kartini's letters and consequently, I would say that this leads to violation of criteria 4b, that "all significant points of view are fairly presented, but not asserted, particularly where there are or have been conflicting views on the topic." The view that there are grounds for doubting the veracity of the letters is an assertion. 
Good luck improving the article, it's got promise.)
 TonyJoe 23:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: There was a Javanese writer who allegedly worked as a correspondent (perhaps a freelance) for the New York Herald in the early part of the 20th century named Drs. R.M. Sosro Kartono (10 April 1877-9 February 1952). Perhaps the R.M. was his rank, Raden Mas. I wonder if he was any relation? Or perhaps he was the Sosrokartono, Kartini's older brother, mentioned in the article RahadyanS 06:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm 99 percent certain there's a relationship, from Googling the name. Apparently most of the online references to Sosrokartono are in Bahasa Indonesia. RahadyanS 05:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Sosroningrat family tree in Letters from Kartini: An Indonesian Feminist, 1900-1904 (Joost Coté, trans.) shows Kartini's older brother, Sosrokartono, was born and died on the same dates. Sosrokartono is known to understand 26 languages, so it is a very likely candidate to be a newspaper correspondent. 121.223.144.146 (talk) 04:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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