Talk:Jaime Maussan

message: Jaime Maussan, due to Televisa sponsorship, is more or less untouchable by mexican TV. He has promoted several well known hoaxes as true evidence (as the infamous "alien autopsy" video), and even when proven wrong, he adamantly mantains his story. I think these controversies should be adressed 189.192.44.129 21:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial claims 

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 08:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: Just one example: "George Adamski Rome receives prize the international." This doesn't make sense in English. At all. It stinks of bad quality automatic translation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilettant (talk • contribs) 08:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire article is full of bad grammar. Exactly what the subject deserves, BTW 177.133.128.252 (talk) 02:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad English 

message: In general: many claims are made, almost non of them is corroborated with references. I am going to remove all unsubstantiated claims. Also I'll be deleting all unnecessary adverbs, like "flagship newscast".
What will be left will not be much, but it may be a fresh start to add things that are proven correct. While I'll be removing a huge amount of content, I'm quite confident that this will not be marked as vandalism. I'm trying to make this article more objective and less a promotional tool for a controversial person. 
Here's what I deleted and why:
*His career began with the report "Kids drug addicts" that came to be shown at the [Festival de Cannes France] in 1973 at which he won the "Gustavo Alatriste"
** I googled for the title and found only results that were exact quotes of this sentence, copied from wikipedia.
** I could'nt find a prize called Gustavo Alatriste
** Maussan's name is not appearing on the archive of the Cannes festival
*In 1980 with the investigation of the blood traffic, since in Mexico was sold and bought blood without control, and it is with several measures taken after this investigation a significant spread of the [Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome] was avoided.
** This sentence doesn't make much sense. 
** Found not one other page than on Wikipedia about Maussan and blood traffic
*In 1982 the World Population Institute selected his research Genesis and Apocalypse a four-hour series that spoke about the demographic exploitation and the accelerated growth of Mexico City and was the winner among 7000 jobs to be awarded at Mike Mansfield's room at the Capitolio[disambiguation needed] in Washington for statistics and information, giving a vision of what strongly affects humanity today.
** The only World Population Institute i found is a UN-institute. In the UN archives the research paper was not not found, also nothing sjowed up after looking for Maussan. 
** Mike Mansfield had a famous room at the capitol. I was not able to find any link between Mansfield and Maussan
** see also: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/S-207_The_Mike_Mansfield_Room.htm
*In 1988, through his research about the Tarahumaras Indians, he provided important support to them after two one-hour TV shows. Given the conditions of poverty and hunger in which they lived, the Tarahumaras experienced a better winter with the "El Rescate Nacional Tarahumara".
** again, any search related to this research leads back to this wikipedia article, no further references found
*However, his dedication and concern in several social fields, mainly related to the environment, also made it stand out in a very important way, as he did with the monarch butterfly in 1979, since after the report "The Monarch, Queen of the Butterflies" was protected In their hibernation zones, the Mexico's president Jose López Portillo declared  protected natural areas, avoiding  the felling of the Oyameles mainly, and developing ecotourism, which also led him to winning the ONDAS prize in Spain in 1980.
** searching for the title of this report yields no results
** Maussan nor the report are mentioned with the 1980 Ondas prizes: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Premios_Ondas_1980
* He has contributed to stories relating to climate change and, in 1983, reported on conservation efforts to protect the sea turtle in conjunction with the World Wild Life Fund. This helped protection of the species in Mexico and the introduction in 1991 of legislation to protect them and banning the sale of their eggs for human consumption. He also helped raise awareness of issues resulting in the protection of the Lacandona and Chimalapas forests.
** I was not able to find any indication that Maussan has been involved in the mentioned efforts. 
* In 1994 he warned of the risk of volcano eruption Popocatepetl highlighting the risk for Mexico City and nearby Puebla. This reality leads him to an important message on planet Earth, and relates it in search of another intelligence. He had anticipated major events such as the discovery of water on Mars since 1991 and the possibility of life on other planets in the universe. It is until February 27, 2017 that NASA has officially announced that there are life-expecting planets 40 light years from Earth.
** unsubstantiated claims, no evidence
I added a reference for the statement that he was awarded a Global 500 prize.
82.217.111.143 (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing large portions of this article 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

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- LuckyLouie (talk) 18:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential new sources 

message: "He has been linked to a number of hoaxes regarding supposed alien remains.[1]" I think it is reproachable and very grave one's name can be so easily potentially smeared by one single citation of a clearly biased article, where one claims to be a "number" of examples. Hoax implies ill faith and derision and these are serious accusations. The primary source does not cite and there is no corroboration for these alleged frauds. I think it is fair to remove that statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.72.22.18 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence is from the lede, which is supposed to summarize the article. That is what it does: the article lists a number of hoaxes. The lede also does not need to be cited. See WP:LEDECITE. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: In 2020, Maussan promoted something called Hydrotene as a miracle cure for Covid 19. Needless to say the claims for this treatment were refuted as evidence-free.
* El Financiero
* El Universal
* Infobae
This should probably be included in the article. Some of Maussan’s associates (e.g. the “naval doctor”) were those currently involved with the latest alien mummy claims. - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hydrotene 

message: I hope this message finds you well. I'd like to discuss a specific concern related to the content in the article under the "Alien Claims" section. The paragraph in question reads as follows:
"On January 12, 2024, forensic experts with Peru's prosecutor's office who had seized a number of the figures that were not exhibited, said they were dolls that were made with paper, modern synthetic glues, metal, and human and animal bones. The lead forensic expert explained, 'They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens.'[10]"
My concern is that this content is both irrelevant and misleading in the context of Jamie Maussan's claims and artifacts showcased in the Mexican Congress. Here are my reasons for requesting its removal:
Lack of Relevance: The paragraph does not appear to be directly related to Jamie Maussan's claims or the artifacts he presented. Placing it under the "Alien Claims" section creates confusion, as it does not represent claims made by Jamie Maussan, but a completely different finding. 
Misleading Information: The paragraph suggests a connection between the artifacts and the conclusion of forensic experts in Peru, which may not exist. This can mislead readers and detract from the accuracy of the article.
Counterproductivity: Including this unrelated information harms the overall quality and neutrality of the Wikipedia article, as it does not contribute to a better understanding of Jamie Maussan's work and claims.
I have attempted to address this concern by discussing it with @Hemiauchenia, but we have not reached a resolution. I kindly request your input on this matter. To resolve this issue, I propose the following:
Removal: Consider removing the mentioned paragraph as it is unrelated to Jamie Maussan's claims.
Relocation: If there is merit in retaining this information, it may be more appropriate to place it in a different section where it can be discussed independently and accurately.
I appreciate your attention to this matter and look forward to your feedback and suggestions. Let's work together to ensure the article accurately represents Jamie Maussan's work and claims. 81.170.137.91 (talk) 13:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to take your claims about  seriously when you're adding stuff like this . In that edit, you cited a random Ufologist's blog, which isn't a reliable source slightlest to counterbalance the overwhelming opinion in reliable sources that the supposed alien bodies are fake. Please read WP:FRINGE. In the meantime, I've changed the coverage of the 2024 AP story to focus instead on the separate 2017 Peru prosecutor's office report, which very directly relates to Maussan's claims. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Removal of Irrelevant and Misleading Information