Talk:Optimism

message: This section should be flagged for bias.  It equates optimism with psychological well-being, which cannot be proven.  For example:  
I feel the best possible outcome will happen when I execute my plan to rob a bank.  I'm not robbing the bank because I need money.  When I was a kid a bank teller gave me a funny look.  
The example shows a clearly unstable psychological profile, yet also a clear optimism.
:It may not be equivalent to psychological well-being, but the two are certainly correlated, as per the references. Feezo (Talk) 02:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted an apparent vandalism (insertion of "woo") in this section. Jackrepenning (talk) 23:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychology Section 

message: I think that 1. optimism about known facts (Is the glass half full or half empty? Has my life been happy or unhappy?)
is completely different from
2. optimism about unknown facts (I'll win in this lottery; I'm sure that he must have survived). 
Optimism 2. is about how much luck one expects.
Optimism 1. is about how to relate to things.
Is there any widespread terminology for these concepts?
Does this current article on optimism now explain optimism 1. only?
Emmisa 14:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Optimism about known and unknown facts? 

message: I made an image that represents optimism, if it doesn't make sense please remove or replace it. Thank you. M&NCenarius 06:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ... I very like it. --euyyn 20:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Form:
Optimism is represented by the color rose (just as its opposite, pessimism, is represented by the color grey).
By who? Has that representation of ideas by color a name? Is it somehow standard?
And content:
According to a ten-year-long research project, it is proven that possessing an optimistic world view increases one's IQ by at least ten points.
LOL Coooooome ooon!!!!
--euyyn 21:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remain encyclopedic in content and form, please 

message: Where the article now mentions Leibniz for the first time, under the philosophy heading, it formerly mentioned a "Nirmit Patel."  I don't know who this is, but I'm fairly certain the reference is Leibniz, as would be indicated also by the reference to him in the followng paragraph. --Delong71487 03:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nirmit Patel 

message: I suggest that any list of famous optimistic people added to this page, is limited to only those people who where famous for their optimism, or whose optimism was famously a part of their character. Maybe one could argue that Karl Marx was an optimist, but that is not what he is famous for...
For now, I'm going to remove the entire list. SevenMass 14:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of famous optimist

message: Is optimism constant or can it change to pessimism, and than back to optimism? Because that happened to me. 83.228.89.2 (talk) 20:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See mood vs philosophy. Hyacinth (talk) 07:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Constant

message: PeruAlonso just wrote this section which makes no sense to me. I commented it out, pending clarification/expansion. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Optimism in culture" 

message: How does Mount Kearsarge visually represent "the world as a benevolent place"? Hyacinth (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. Hyacinth (talk) 07:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current image: [[:Image:WPaskell,MountKearsargeinSpring(JJH-WFP301).jpg]]

message: Note in re the article subject Barbara Ehrenreich's Bright Sided. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 05:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs work bad 

message: Why does negative thinking redirect here? Thanks seems rather counter-intuitive. Shouldn't it go to pessimism? —focus 02:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd guess the reason is that the phrase "negative thinking" is so vague and subjective that it's functionally meaningless in an encyclopedia.-- TyrS  chatties  02:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: In the subsection optimalism, the definition of it is not precise. It needs to be defined as a philosophy, or an outlook on life, etc. If that is a direct quote Nicholas Rescher, I would add quotation marks as well. Besides that, contrasting the idea with perfectionism gave me a decent understanding of what optimalism was. Might want to go into less detail about perfectionism and go more into detail about optimalism. --KJamison7 (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Optimalism 

message: A mind for optimism.  Reality checks affect judgment more when prospects are rosier, study indicates.  By Laura Sanders October 13th, 2011, excerpt ... 
See computational neuroscientist, Virginia Tech, University College London, MRI brain scan, Prefrontal cortex (inferior prefrontal gyrus specifically), prefrontal gyrus,
99.181.140.213 (talk) 05:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Science News]] resource 

message: When you go to the pessimism site, they will list a short phrase that pessimism is often linked to being a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I do not see why this should not be just as correct for optimism.If you believe something is bad, it will likely get worse.Why is the same not true for: if you believe something is good, it will likely get better?In the end, much of the course of action one takes upon one´s interpretation of a situation may or may not lead to a result which you believed previously woul be attained.
One should also not forget that chance still may or may not have a play in the ultimate outcome but still, what is valid for one side must also be, reciprocally, be valid for the opposite.So i do not see why pessimism would have listed a criticism but optimism not.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.99.17.34 (talk) 01:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true only for a very limited definition of optimism. Being an optimist doesn't imply not recognizing that the world can be a dangerous place. A rational optimist recognizes that car accidents happen, and thus it makes sense to have good insurance, drive a safer car, drive safely and use your seat belts. Preparing for negative outcomes is rational, giving up and saying "why bother?" is not. Smallpox was eradicated because people were optimistic enough to think it was possible to do so. Disappointment may be inevitable, but an optimist sees disappointment as a price worth paying for a chance at success.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RLent (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism for optimism 

message: The belief that this is an optimal world, or the best of all possible ones, simply acknowledges as Job, that we have to take God and nature as it is and not expect Him or Her to roll out one more to our liking.  Optimism, on the other hand, is just that sort of mania.  We might make progress if the world does not, however, but undoubtedly not via enthusiasm.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.16.31 (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  optimism is not progress 

message: The health section is mainly based on primary sources. It is dangerous to draw conclusion based on individual studies or our own selection of positive studies only, see WP:MEDRS. I have tried to search for independent reviews or meta-analyses, preferably in medical journals. Unfortunately, I have only found one meta-analysis (), but this was criticized the next year (): "Optimism may be related to physical health, but the
number of basic methodological issues and coding inconsistencies we identified shows that this cannot be established from the meta-analysis conducted by Rasmussen et al."  Are there any better sources out there? Vesal (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent reviews for the health benefits? 

message: Forgetting Ikigai for a moment, I disagree with this revert. User Schazjmd says here that they reverted it because . But such a reader would in fact be well served to be directed to Health psychology, inasmuch as optimism is an aspect of psychology. It is a case of going from the specialized association to the generalized association. I wonder what other editors think. Is opening a RFC the only way to attract comments, or is there some other lightweight way? PS: How do I ping an user appropriately? Is the quote template appropriate? Jonahloci (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You can learn how to notify other editors at WP:PING. See if other editors contribute to the conversation before considering an RfC. I disagree with the section-see-also, there is only the most vaguely tenuous relation between the two articles, but I'm certainly not going to edit-war over it. Schazjmd (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, see WP:RELATED:  and (the purpose of hatnotes) .  Schazjmd (talk) 19:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Jonahloci, although I've not looked into this in detail, I think Schazjmd is correct.  The hatnote is a "big" way of adding this link.  I would have no concern about a link in the middle of a normal sentence (if there was a suitable sentence where health psychology was mentioned naturally), but I think that the hatnote in the section is too much. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health psychology 

message: There is an ongoing discussion in various mental health support groups and disability activist groups, that ordinary "think positive" or optimism has its dark side- it suppresses the voice sharing the problem and wanting the support. Also this type of forced positivity may make people feel ashamed about taking pause or rest and, also "good vibes only" type positivity can seclude those people send negative nonverbal signal. This type of harmful positivity has been termed as 'toxic positivity'. 
2409:4061:70B:F80:C4AC:3DA3:CDEF:B9F5 (talk) 15:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting perspective. When academic sources discussing it are published, it will be a useful addition to the article. Schazjmd (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although very few, there are some literatures such as https://repository.uel.ac.uk/item/8842y ,  http://simplyhappy.co/toxic-positivity/ etc.  2409:4061:70B:F80:E7:4F4A:12E7:2091 (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. That second link isn't a reliable source. The first is, but it's specific to positive psychology, and the article on that does have a section on toxic positivity: Positive_psychology#Toxic_positivity. What I've done is copied one summary-style sentence on the criticism of positive psychology to the paragraph in this article on the same. Schazjmd (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I appreciate you noticing the gap here and bringing attention to it.  Happy editing! Schazjmd (talk) 17:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxic Positivity