Talk:Dante Alighieri

message: Dante Alighieri has a less known sister whise name was Antonia. During hist last period lived in Ravenna, she left Florence to near with Dante with his family. Susequently, she become a Roman Catholic nun under the monastic name of BEATRICE.
We don't know exactly the type of link with the Beatrice named in the Divina commedia. Possibly, there exist the article w:it:Antonia Alighieri which still waits to be translated into English. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.223.69.163 (talk) 13:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected your "noun" to "nun", amica/othey are different nouns. Errantios (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antonia Alighieri 

message: I recommend that the mage be edited to say that he's known by his mononym Dante. The article does not explicitly use the term "mononym".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.110.20 (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he is actually known as Dante Alighieri, leaving aside earlier variant spellings like "Dante Allighier" (Jacopo Alighieri),"L'autore di questa nobilissima opera fue Dante delli Allighieri di Firenze" (Ottimo), "Dante Alleghieri di Fiorenza" (Lancia), etc. --2003:C9:273A:7A00:B145:EF7A:A0DF:B076 (talk) 22:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dante is his mononym 

message: Dante Alighieri  was an Italian poet, note: "Though an Italian nation state had yet to be established, the Latin equivalent of the term Italian (italus) had been in use for natives of the region since antiquity". 
* This information is based on the letter of Pliny the Elder((AD 23/24 – AD 79), Letters 9.23. [23] L To Maximus.  [] "He said that he was sitting by the side of a certain individual at the last Circensian games, and that, after they had had a long and learned talk on a variety of subjects, his acquaintance said to him: "Are you from Italy or the provinces?" Tacitus replied : "You know me quite well, and that from the books of mine you have read."   "Then," said the man, "you are either Tacitus or Pliny."
It is a primary source WP:PRIMARY, and secondary source in this sense does not exist. Given that the primary source only mentions: "Are you from Italy or the provinces?" and the article contains information: "the Latin equivalent of the term Italian (italus) had been in use for natives of the region since antiquity", it is obviously a violation of the rules of wikipedia ie. WP:OR and WP:FRINGE since there is no secondary source that states this and also information from the article in this sense and with this fact, has not been published anywhere, that is, it does not exist anywhere. Based on the above reasons, I suggest that this information be removed from the article because it does not comply with the rules. Thank you. Mikola22 (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine to quote primary sources, but obviously the second part is an editorial deduction. Let's cut it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Chiswick Chap Thanks for the answer, can you please show me or quote  me where Pliny the Elder says: "the Latin equivalent of the term Italian (italus) had been in use for natives of the region since antiquity"? and in which context it concerns Dante Alighieri? Mikola22 (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I cut it already, but hey. The editorial deduction was possibly OR but nothing more. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Are you maintaining that "Italian" is an invalid term when applied to someone living in Dante's times? Does this entry in Lewis & Short's dictionary, where the Pliny source you've referred to is only one of the many citations, convince you that "Italian" has been used since ancient times? Since the Encyclopaedia Britannica calls Dante an "Italian poet, prose writer, literary theorist, moral philosopher, and political thinker", I don't think our characterization is particularly "fringe" or debatable. Deor (talk) 15:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Deor My proposal is related to this situation ie information. You can open another topic so we can discuss it. Is this information fringe or OR? Mikola22 (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible fringe and OR information ​