Talk:Scouting and Guiding in Victoria

message: *agree. Chris 17:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: merge stub

message: I think this page was better at Scouting in Victoria because this is a more general title that allows for history of scouting prior to Scouts Australia and of other sections. The title is also easier to understand for non scouters ...maelgwntalk 09:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose Move to "Scouts Australia - Victoria Branch"

message: Support
Oppose
*This crew is obviously notable outside Scouting as founding the world sport of Rogaining. I am unconvinced that a merge to the State Scouting article is appropriate, but of course I am willing to be convinced. The article does however need to be cleaned up. The straight Rovering stuff is completely unsourced and there does not even appear to be a web site for the crew to check information. I asked for sources for that paragraph. --Bduke 04:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge here of [[Surrey-Thomas Rover Crew]]

message: I have tagged all three of these articles for merge to Scouting in Victoria, although it is possible that some material should be added to Rovers (Australia). I think all three can be treated together. They are all for small sections of the Scouting movement that are much smaller than is considered notable by the the standards of Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. This excludes articles on Districts, Groups, Troops, individual events, camp sites in all but rather exceptional circumstances. I have no doubt that if they were proposed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, they would be deleted. Let us save some good material here and merge the content. It is also clear that none of them have good independent sources. All three should be merged. --Bduke 13:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Im all confused now ... :: maelgwn :: talk 05:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Your changes were just what I wanted - another pair of eyes on these articles - before the final merge. Do you have any references for Rover Motor Sports anywhere in Australia? I certainly do not. Do you want to do the final merge? I'm going to be less active on WP for the rest of the day, after I good go at this morning, but I could do it tomorrow. --Bduke 03:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing in a quick search that I can see. I'll try and have a better look around. Unless there are some newspaper articles or non rovering reports written about it, im a bit pessimistic about finding stuff. I have no doubt the information is correct eg  but as for notability I'm not quite sure were to look. We might have to shorten it right down ... :: maelgwn :: talk 03:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: So i decided to move the Mafeking Rover Park article here because of its Victorian Bias - the Rover Motorsport content stayed tho. :: maelgwn :: talk 09:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of three Rover articles - [[Mafeking Rover Park]], [[Rover Motorsport]] and [[Mudbash]]

message: I changed Mafeking Rover Park a little to try and include all states but now I see that I've dwindled off topic a bit. Unless anyone has any problems I think the merge should go ahead into Rovers (Australia) with a change of emphasis away from Victoria a little. :: maelgwn :: talk 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your changes were just what I wanted - another pair of eyes on these articles - before the final merge. Do you have any references for Rover Motor Sports anywhere in Australia? I certainly do not. Do you want to do the final merge? I'm going to be less active on WP for the rest of the day, after I good go at this morning, but I could do it tomorrow. --Bduke 03:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing in a quick search that I can see. I'll try and have a better look around. Unless there are some newspaper articles or non rovering reports written about it, im a bit pessimistic about finding stuff. I have no doubt the information is correct eg  but as for notability I'm not quite sure were to look. We might have to shorten it right down ... :: maelgwn :: talk 03:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: So i decided to move the Mafeking Rover Park article here because of its Victorian Bias - the Rover Motorsport content stayed tho. :: maelgwn :: talk 09:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge part two

message: *Propose merge because content lacks sufficient notability for it's own article. While there is significant possible content there is a lack of references to avoid WP:OR :: maelgwn :: talk 08:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Alpine Rovering in Victoria]]

message: Propose merge according to above discussion and due to lack of notability. :: maelgwn :: talk 13:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK yes - probably Gilwell, then Mafeking, then Alpine Rovering? As for infoboxes - i dont mind a bit of clutter and like the way information is presented in infoboxes. Could we put in a mini-version? I posted on Template talk:Infobox WorldScouting if your interested. :: maelgwn :: talk 06:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a go. I like your order but putting Alpine Rovering between the camp sites I think spaces out the infoboxes better. Could we use the infoboxes without an image? --Bduke 07:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats what the post on Template talk:Infobox WorldScouting is about. My understanding of the proprietary (grr ...) parser functions in templates is not enough to change it myself. :: maelgwn :: talk 07:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Gilwell Park (Victoria)]] 

message: Do you need to merge them because wikipedia is running out of space?
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I mean, they are all just cars, so they should be merged with the article Automobile.--210.50.228.5 08:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is running out of space? 

message: Mafeking Rover Park was merged here over a year ago, but recently the merge was reversed and an edit war has started. So let us discuss it here and get consensus.
*Support merge. When it was reinstated, the article was lengthened, but there is absolutely no claim to it being notable, and there are no references. This article should be made into a redirect. There is essentially nothing more to merge than was done a years ago. The coverage of this camp site in Scouting in Victoria is quite adequate. Camp sites are rarely notable. This site is no more notable than Gilwell Park, Victoria or the Bogong Rover Chalet, both of which are also adequately covered here. In fact it is less notable than Gilwell. --Bduke (talk) 05:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I abide by community consensus, always, but we both know the article is of "high importance" to the encyclopedia. This does have more to do with editing philosophy than content though, and is somewhat Australia-specific, so there's no use going at it here. Perhaps we could split the flora/fauna and track sections to your namespace, and work on it there? I have some family in Yea, so it should be right within a month or two. Ottre (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I do not know that it is of "high importance" to the encyclopedia, and I do not even think it is. This article on "Scouting in Victoria" has been assessed as mid importance by the Scouting Project and has not yet been assessed by the Victoria Project. Almost anything else on Scouting in the State of Victoria is unlikely to be notable enough for a separate article and should be included in the State article. I repeat my question above, but generalise it. Who has independently noticed anything about Mafeking Rover Park and given third party sources to reference that it is notable? Until we get some reliable third party resources, I see no need to do anything. The section on the Mafeking Rover Park here is already large enough given that it only has a reference to its own web site. Have a look at how the Scouting WikiProject has dealt with similar issues. They have all been merged into other articles. For example, in the UK there are only 5 articles on camp sites and they include the four national activity centres such as Gilwell Park (also National HQ and B-P House (not a camp site). It might have to do with editing philosophy, but is one that has wide consensus among editors of Scouting articles. I do not see anything Australia-specific about it. --Bduke (talk) 02:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, support. I was just saying there's a much less notable park (the John Charles Franklin walk) in Yea that I will be writing about soon, on my next visit. Ottre (talk) 15:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New merge proposal for Mafeking Rover Park

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message: Merge: Rovering in Victoria describes activities (mostly non-notable) for a section within Scouts Australia. Both facilities mentioned are open to everybody and not restricted to Rovers. --jergen (talk) 10:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Rovering in Victoria]] 

message: It has been proposed that Britannia Park (Girl Guides Victoria) be merged here, although no reasons were given by the editor who added the merge tags. Please discuss below. --Bduke  (Discussion) 07:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Britannia Park (Girl Guides Victoria)]] 

message: Is there a copy of this stature in Australia as The Ideal Scout asserts in its lede, and is it at Gilwell Park in Victoria? The "The Ideal Scout" article has a photo saying it at Gilwell Park, Australia, but it is a photo of the stature at Gilwell Park, England. I altered the link there to the section here on Gilwell Park before realising that the photo is not of a stature in Australia. --Bduke  (Discussion) 21:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ideal Scout - stature of a Scout in USA 

message: The section on venturers says VG is one of the larger events on the calendar and that the event changes location every 2 years. Could a 
citation from http://www.vicgathering.asn.au/ be used to back this up?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.250.133 (talk) 13:19, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation from VG website to backup venturing section 

message: Chief Scout has been disambiguated, I think at least twice, to Chief Scout (Victoria, Australia)). This implies that an article should exist with that title. That implies that the topic is notable. I very much doubt if that is the case. Please discuss if you think it is notable, or you can think of alternatives. --Bduke  (Discussion) 09:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chief Scout (Victoria, Australia)) 

message: The Scouting WikiProject does not support articles on individual units unless they are extremely notable. This article has one semi-outside source and one selfie, it should be merged here.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article certainly needs some cleanup, but I still think as I did 10 years ago (see above) that it is notable for its role in founding the world sport of Rogaining. --Bduke  (Discussion) 10:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: While I see those above, and I trust your judgement, the sources are weak as they were in 2007.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am hoping to find some sources soon. Please give me a bit of time. --Bduke  (Discussion) 06:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Take your time, no rush--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I asked the Crew to look for sources long ago and got a reply saying they would, but have heard no more from them. They meet not far from where I am about to move to next week. --Bduke  (Discussion) 08:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

text: --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Still nothing from them. I think we should go ahead with the merge. --Bduke  (Discussion) 20:32, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is time this was sorted out. I will do the merge in 10 days if nobody adds anything further to this discussion. --Bduke  (Discussion) 04:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

text: I am now ready to do the merge, but I now think that it should be merged to Rovering in Victoria. Of course we might later decide to merge that article to Scouting and Guiding in Victoria but that has been discussed before and not supported. Any quick views before I merge it there? --Bduke  (Discussion) 05:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done the merge to Rovering in Victoria. Please check it. --Bduke  (Discussion) 22:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge Surrey-Thomas Rover Crew 

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