Talk:Georgia/Archive 1

message: #Burgundavia
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#James F. (talk) 22:46, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 1: Move [[Georgia (country)]] to Georgia and the ''current'' [[Georgia]] to [[Georgia (disambiguation)]]

message: #Docu
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#radiojon
#RADICALBENDER★ 21:09, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 2: Maintain the status quo. Everything stays where it is (the US state at [[Georgia (U.S. state)]], the country at [[Georgia (country)]], and the disambiguation page at [[Georgia]].

message: #Jiang 20:58, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 3: Move [[Georgia (U.S. state)]] to Georgia and the ''current'' [[Georgia]] to [[Georgia (disambiguation)]]

message: Seriously - this is shocking that this situation exists in the first place. A sovereign nation state is not placed above a member state of a federation? The page should certainly have a link top of page to the US state, but the country should appear as the main article.
May I point out that having a poll is nonsensical, this is an issue of there being more US wikipedians than any others - and mob rule being imposed.
I'm just VERY glad the US doesn't have a state named Ireland! Or Europe! Hey, I guess I should just be happy that Dublin, Ireland gets the Dublin page, as opposed to some upstart town in the US! Why don't we just disambiguate Paris, London, Maine, and a host of other places!
I've met people from the US who thought I was pulling their leg when I talked about Georgia the nation. If anything, putting the country page here should alleviate some ignorance! Zoney 00:01, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well now, I agree the nation should come first on the dab page, which will alleviate some ignorance, but there should be such a page to avoid confusion.  And all editors need to learn to qualify their Georgia references. +sj+ 11:10, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
How about a poll only amongst people from outside the United States and Georgia? I'll go annotate my vote with my nationality. Ben Arnold 04:51, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: All your pages are belong to US

message: I think it's a bit insulting to the sovereign nation of Georgia not to have this page hosting the page about the country and to move the disambiguation to Georgia (disambiguation) Mintguy 08:52 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:In theory, this may be ideal, but in practice, all the links to the U.S. state would never be disambiguated. I'm not sure where it was, but I think I already read a debate (even a vote?) about this. Oddly, I couldn't find it by looking for links pointing to Georgia .. --User:Docu
::I don't understand what you mean by "all the links to the U.S. state would never be disambiguated". Until I moved them the other day the there were still alot of links for the state pointing here. Mintguy 07:55 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:If Georgia would be the page for the country, we would have a lot of links about the state pointing there. I disambiguated the links once before, when I added Georgia to Wikipedia:Links to disambiguating pages. The opposite solution, to use Georgia for the state, wouldn't necessarily make it easier. -- User:Docu
:"If Georgia would be the page for the country, we would have a lot of links about the state pointing there." ..and... your point is? A link to here is wrong for either state or country at present. Mintguy
:How about moving the country here and then have a link a top saying if you are looking for the county/city/rock band/kind of chicken feed/etc go to this linkBurgundavia 09:52, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think the country deserves to be here.  Its no different from St. Petersburg, Florida and St. Petersburg, Russia, and dozens of other such situations. - SimonP 14:53, Aug 3, 2003 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Votes for deletion:
*Georgia - I think that Georgia (country) should be moved there. - SimonP 15:14, Aug 3, 2003 (UTC)
** I disagree. The two meaning are in common use. This is a classic example of where a disambig page is needed. uriber 17:57, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

text: So countries are less important than American administrative districts? Has this wikipedia turned into US.wikipedia.org? There're even fewer people in the country I live in than in Georgia. Crusadeonilliteracy 16:07, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Older comments (pre-2004) 

message: True or false: a generalized version of option 1 in the above poll is "Make the English Wikipedia  reflect Asians(Eastern Europeans) more than Americans". 66.245.29.74 20:14, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  True or false?? 

message: True or false: the poll is scheduled to come to an end soon. 66.245.78.88 23:16, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending the poll (True or false??) 

message: There are precedents for a sovereign nation being delegated to a "lower level" in the Wikipedia "hierarchy."  China is almost universally understood as the short form of the People's Republic of China.  But if you go to the China article, you will find a general article explaining that the Republic of China, which most people refer to as Taiwan, claims China as well.  So the sovereign and independent state of China (PRC) is not in the main China article.  Is this Taiwanicantrism?  No.  But placing the PRC under the "China" name would have confused and/or offended certain users of Wikipedia.  And now it is the same with this one.  Disambiguating "Georgia" to help out a large body of users does not mean we are biased!  Fishal 18:41, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A. Wrong talk page. B. your argument is no longer relevant after changes were made to the China article. --Tokek 18:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwanicentrism? 

message: Why don't we? - 68.72.133.233 01:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See the vote above. Also, Republic of Georgia is the old official name for the country, but it is currently just called Georgia. Thryduulf 10:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, Georgia (country) is in fact a state. -- Hokanomono 13:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move [[Georgia (country)]] to [[Republic of Georgia]] and move [[Georgia (U.S. state)]] to [[State of Georgia]]. 

message: I propose that
*each one of the 50 states be moved to (or, in Georgia's case, kept at) Alabama (U.S.State), Alaska (U.S.State), etc.
*redirect pages be added for each of the state names to the corresponding state's article
*the disambiguation pages (for each of the state names that need them) be State Name (disambiguation) (this requires moving only Georgia's Dab page)
*that "Georgia" redirect to the Dab page,
*that the country of Georgia be kept at Georgia (country)
As I see it, moving 49 of the 50 states and adding 49 redirect pages is a small price to pay for
*consistency among all 50 states,
*fairness to the world's population, who will see Wikipedia as less U.S.-centric
*a good precedent for other cases that might come up in the future in which a district of a country conflicts with other uses of that word.
--GraemeMcRae 05:34, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Complicated.  This isn't really about applying an arbitrary standard to have a good overall effect; it's about finding a sensible solution to a common problem of shared importance.  The best solution isn't specific to countries/states, but rather specific to situations with two high-profile articles which are often confused to one another. +sj + 17:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair resolution to the Country / State debate 

message: In an earlier revision, the country was described as "a nation in the Caucasus region of eastern Europe and western Asia".  Then, on October 5, it was changed to "a nation in the Caucasus region of western Asia".  Was this change in keeping with the consensus? --GraemeMcRae 01:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nixer, I just wonder why you cannot find something more useful to do for Wikipedia instead of posting, wherever possible, your "white nationalistic" theories about Georgia being not an European nation.--Kober 13:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where do you see "white nationalism"? Is saying Turkmens arent European also nationalism?--Nixer 17:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please vote: is the country of Georgia in Europe and Asia?  Or just Asia? 

message: The three main pages related to Georgia at the moment are the country, the US state, and the dab.   Each should have a qualified name; then the debate can be focused on the page to which Georgia should redirect.
I think there should be a general policy that in case of more than one popular use of a term/title, the bare title should be a redirect, in addition to the top-line "for other uses" note on each article page. +sj + 18:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please discuss instead at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). I tried to propose a change in policy to saying that all Wikipedia dis-ambiguation pages that are too large to reach the    template without scrolling should have the (disambiguation) suffix in their name, but can still have a suffix-less title as a re-direct. However, there appears to be several Wikipedians who don't think it's that important to know immediately. Any additional comments?? Georgia guy 22:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the main page for Georgia is in fact a disambiguation, then I think it makes no difference whether there is a (disambiguation) suffix there or not.  If you think it will be helpful, why not be bold and complete the move?  Fishal 16:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal : Properly qualifying all three main pages 

message: Please see the request and poll at Talk:Georgia_(country)#Requested_move. bogdan 12:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Perhaps change the naming of all fifty United States of America to state name, United States of America or state name, USA? Then we could move Georgia (country) to Georgia, with Georgia (U.S. state) now at Georgia, USA or Georgia, United States of America. And to pre-empt the questions from any of my less-enlightened country-mates, no, we can't just put it at state name, United States because there are other nations that have that name, namely the United States of Mexico. -Darryl Hamlin 08:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not consistent with current policies. And pre-emptively disambiguating 49 other articles is excessive, especially because "Georgia" would still remain a disambiguation page; changing "Georgia (U.S. state)" to "Georgia, USA" would have no effect on the primary Georgia disambiguation. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you have a good point. Ah well, didn't hurt to suggest it, did it? -Darryl Hamlin 08:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A fifth proposition? 

message: On the right hand of the page - in the box, under the map of the US with the State of Georgia highlighted - wiki lists the capital of Georgia as Savannah. I can't figure out how to make the edit, so can someone who is smarter than me change this to Atlanta? Thanks!! Rnmartin69 17:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State Capital