Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Digimon/Archive 10

message: Should the Tags and Crests have their own page? The new page could include the name of the Crest, the owner of the Crest, the place where the Crest was found, and the special attributes the Crest has. As of right now, is you type "Crests (Digimon)" in the seach, it redirects you to the "Digimon Adventure" article.--Mmmundo 22:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Other than a list of them, who has them and where they where found (which are already all included in the character and main digimon articles for digimon adventure), what else is to say about them? Exactly what are you talking about when you say "special attributes"? --`/aksha 04:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a page like Objects in Digimon should be made, it could contain crests, tags, black gears, dark rings etc. etc. trainra 05:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's not a bad idea. --`/aksha 08:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I said special attributes I just meant what the Crest represented, like the Crest of Courage represents the attribute of courage. I think making a page of "Objects in Digimon" is a really good idea.--Mmmundo 15:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So are we going to make a article for for "Objects in Digimon"?--Mmmundo 21:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes we might but lets wait until there is less merging to be done. trainra 07:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, but also feel that such "Digi-Items" deserve their own section. It'll help clear out the clutter for many character listings, and make hard-to-find item-info listed maybe on only one area (like Ken's Egg of Kindness)in an organized, easy-to-find list. "David200k" 23:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have pages for digi-eggs and digivices but this page would be, as I said, for items that don't play a big enough roll to have their own article like the black gears, dark spirals and rings etc. trainra 09:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it going on?  Kennethayes 08:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a list of items to be added with sources, I also have most of the images and a basic layout typed up, although I was waiting for Yaksha to get back so I could ask her how to set up a sand box so I could just tinker with things, I didn't want to bug you again Kennethayes. Also even thoudh digieggs/digivices have their own articles I was still going to link them. trainra 09:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i see. actually i have done this... ~CLICK ME~ // lol Kennethayes 12:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know I saw it (Your Sandbox is on my watchlist), it is a huge list, I had a few shields and a weapon here and there but I was focusing on the items eg. the cards in Adventure, Control Spires, Blue Cards etc. trainra 13:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes, i know~ the dark cogs, holy stone etc. =) Kennethayes 14:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: When is this page going to be made? - I'm pretty excited for it, and I think I can contribute heavily to it.--Mmmundo 20:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  I was thinking of making it after we have merged all the digimon into the masterlists, which shouldn't take that much longer. trainra 04:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  i'm not available next week. so i cant perfectize the masterlists. hahaa Kennethayes 06:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: So whats going on with this page - is somebody going to make it?--Mmmundo 21:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to finish the masterlists this weekend and get to it. trainra 09:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good - are we going to place it under the Fictional elements: section on the template after it is created?--Mmmundo 13:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crests 

message: This might not be the best place to ask this but it is driving me crazy! Can someone please post a list of all the canon things (Games, CD Dramas, Movies, Seasons, etc.) in the Digimon Adventure and Adventure 02 universe!? I have been to many places looking for this information but I keep getting different information everywhere (I feel that if I know this information I can better help with the editing of the Digimon articles). I just need a clarification please. Also what is the Dark Ocean or Dark World, or whatever you call it? Please dont answer if you dont know for sure. I appreciate any help that you can give me.--Mmmundo 02:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canon plot lines for Adventure and Adventure 02 

message: I have some good news today, the first cast member and director for the Digimon Savers dub has been confirmed, we will have Steven Blum voicing Falcomon and Jeff Nimoy returns as the director.
Source: http://withthewill.net/index.php?topic=2954.0 godofchaos is a very reliable source in that he personally knows Jeff Nimoy. So do what needs to be done with this new info, and when more arises, I will keep you up on it.--Amigobro2 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're going to need a better source than just word of mouth, though. It's not that I don't believe it, but Wikipedia doesn't consider such to be a reliable source. -- Ned Scott 01:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On an unrelated side note, I'm pretty bummed out that Jeff Nimoy has his hands on another Digimon dub. They did a pretty shitty job on the other 4.. -- Ned Scott 01:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, godofchaos said that there's probably going to be a official annoucement very soon, or if he would reveal where he got the info, so we could wait until then, I'll still keep you guys informed of course.--Amigobro2 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To your side note: In my opinion the third and fourth ones were done quite well, Jeff Nimoy did the first two, not the last two, and I kinda didn't like them that much, but it's all good to me.--Amigobro2 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Confirmed Cast Member and Director 

message: is it d'Arcmon or D'Arcmon on the cards / official publishings? Kennethayes 19:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about other publishings but I think it is d' in English, like Jean de Rond d'Alembert.  Similar names would be van (Ruud van Nistelrooy) - the d' and van always begin with small letters even if they are the first word of the sentence.  I get conflicting results at Google so I guess someone else has to say something.  x42bn6 Talk 22:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  d'Arcmon or D'Arcmon 

message: I have one simple question: Should titles (e.g., Digimon Adventure, Digimon Tamers, etc.) be italicized in Digimon articles? Because they largely aren’t. —Frungi 01:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Italics: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles).  x42bn6 Talk 03:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I mean is, it seems that either these articles ignore that, or the Digimon titles are exempt somehow. Also, should “Digimon” be italicized when not referring to the monsters themselves (e.g., “another Digimon series”)? —Frungi 05:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the purpose of the English dub, NO. Remember: while the seasons are called differently in English for simplicity's sake, all the seasons had the same title. THis used to beclearly stated in the former Digimon: Digital Monsters... Where did it go? "Digimon", when referrig to any series, should probably be italicized, because then it refers to the whole of the Franchise.  You'd similarly say "another Pokémon game."Circeus 12:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, foreign titles shouldn’t be considered titles? —Frungi 12:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicization? 

message: I know that Duftmon Leopard Mode only appears on cards - I'm pretty sure that's the main appearance for the others, though they may appear on certain d-pets.
As for the pictures, most of them can be found on http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/, though others can usually be found just by searching google.KrytenKoro 18:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tasks - info 

message: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2007-04-26/toei-animation-licenses-fifth-season-of-digimon-to-disney-abc-cable-networks-group
http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/apr/apr340.php
http://www.worldscreen.com/newscurrent.php?filename=toei042407.htm
I was still slightly speculative until ANN also covered the news. -- Ned Scott 03:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Savers to be dubbed / licensed now sourced 

message: Since this will be such a big task, I've updated  to now contain a notice about the image situation. In addition to updating tags we will also be striving to pass all parts of WP:NFCC. I've started a basic instruction page to help everyone out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Digimon/Images. Right now it's sort of a rough draft, so feel free to help improve the image instructions page. -- Ned Scott 06:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image work 

message: I'm curious as to why these do not have their own article; they were a very major aspect of the second season (Digimon Adventure 2). If enough can't be said for their own article, then maybe they should be inserted as a subsection in another with a redirect page created.
Just my thoughts,
Yoda921 11:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean topic 38--Mmmundo 16:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Rings/Control Spires 

message: There seems to be duplicates of a latest video game. I propose a rather complicated move in that would both Digimon Savers: Another Mission and Digimon World Data Squad NEW! be merged into a new title as Digimon World: Data Squad based on what it seems to be called. Simply south 18:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe the title Digimon World Data Squad has been officially confirmed as Digimon Savers: Another Mission dub title, now we should either redirect or simply delete Digimon World Data Squad NEW!. Nightmare SE 11:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title Digimon World Data Squad has been confirmed here and I suggest we should just delete the page.--Amigobro2 04:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest games 

message: Someone added this Digimon yesterday to the master list, it sounds fake, while Coredramon has recently been confirmed as Dracomon's Champion form, so either Dracomon has two Champion forms or FighterDracomon is fake. Nightmare SE 11:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fake. And Coredramon will have a seat in Cardgame Alpha Evolve.6 (Seven Great Demon Lords) which is releasing in June. Kennethayes 06:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FighterDracomon

message: I have access to about 45 or so toei pics that the digimon articles are missing (d-reaper agents, sovereigns, armor digimon, spirit digimon etc.), but I am horrible at correctly sourcing them.
I've talked to McFeely before, and apparently he's fine with me copying those images (I'll e-mail him again, just to be sure), but basically, I need someone to e-mail the images to who can turn them back into image format - right now, they're copied into an MS word document.
I also have some of them like ModokiBetamon, the Betamon recolor, and it's not actually fan-art - it's a real pic.
So, if anyone who knows how to do the sourcing bit correctly can give me their e-mail (on my talk page, if you want), I'll send over the document with all the images.
Thanks!KrytenKoro 07:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a minute, don't we have all those images, we just need one for BlackGuilmon. Trainra 08:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toei pics 

message: Apparently, the other guy keeps seeing grammatical errors that require full reverts to fix. I keep having to reverse these reverts, because after exhaustive comparisons EACH TIME he does this, I still can't see any improvements - in fact, almost every one of his changes seems to introduce grammatical and spelling errors.
I've asked the guy repeatedly not to do full reverts, and I've even outlined on his talk page why I have a problem with each one of his changes that I reversed. It's a very long list.
I don't know - maybe it's possible that I just have a fundamentally flawed understanding of grammar and the MoS and summarization guidelines - maybe I'm wrong.
So, because I don't want to be blocked due to some revert war, I'm asking other members of the project to look at the page and see what decision they can come to.
I've tried to do my best on that page - I'm not going to be entering the current dispute again, unless no one else wants to help solve it - of course, trying to mediate between yourself and someone else is damned hard.
So...I'm leaving that article alone for now, I've done all I can think to do on it, someone else please take over now.
Thank you for your time, and good knight*.KrytenKoro 19:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Royal Knights]] 

message: It's quite obvious that the root word is Ornith, meaning bird, and this is how the name was originally translated. I don't remember how they pronounced it in the dub, though, but Onis just seems wrong.
Does anyone know for sure?KrytenKoro 09:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ornith, Ornis, or Onis? 

message: Akiyoshi Hongo seems to be somewhat of a hoax. The article on him, and the occasional reference to him in the Digimon articles, state that he is the creator of the Digimon concept. I've recalled others removing bits mentioning him, citing the reason as a hoax. His own article contains no references, and nothing seems to be able to be found. Sounds like something we need to look into. First, what works, if any at all, credit this name? -- Ned Scott 21:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cards have his name at the bottom.KrytenKoro 20:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akiyoshi Hongo 

message: Many of the digidestined pages are named such that they treat the nickname like the given name - this is most egregious for Izzy's page, since his nickname is actually based on his last name ("Izzy Izumi" is just...wrong). We should move these to personal name "nickname" surname, or just personal name surname to prevent confusion. For some of these (Sora, Mimi, Rika), no move would be  necessary.KrytenKoro 19:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: It seems that many of the profiles on the lists of Digimon are word-for-word what is said on the Digimon Encyclopedia. Now, Chris has said on his site that he participates on Wikipedia, so these may be with his blessing - if this is true, then please tell me. Otherwise, we need to make sure we obtain his blessing on all of these, because if he doesn't know about this, then it's pretty un-kosher.KrytenKoro 20:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digimon Encyclopedia Plagiarism? 

message: User:Jadenik has been adding a lot of information from the Digimon's "official profiles" - if this is from the official websites, as I assume it is, then we need to make sure to source it, so that we don't run into possible plagiarism or copyright violations.
And this should apply to pretty much all of the bio info that isn't synthesized from the plot of the shows and games. "Digimon Analyzer" info, Internet profiles, etc.KrytenKoro 20:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible plagiarism problems (said five times fast)? 

message: A while ago, I updated the Pokemon and Digimon section, pointing out that Digimon tends to borrow more from the Mecha/Super Robo genre and pointed out several mecha references. This was removed for what is currently in place. I thought my addition was a good bit of Information, coul;d anyone inform me why it wasn't such a good addition to the article? Granis 00:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it was OR.KrytenKoro 01:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digimon v.s. Pokemon section 

message: Can we have something somewhere explaining what this does? It can be part of the "Digimon items" article, or an article about the Digital World.
Anyway - to help, here's what I know:
* Regular or Silver Chrome Digizoid: Basic form, impenetrable except by other Digizoid or the strongest attacks.
* Blue Chrome Digizoid: Very light, specializing in speed.
* Red Chrome Digizoid: Very strong, specializing in defense.
* Gold Chrome Digizoid: Very firm, grafted on to act as offensive armor, specializing in offense.
* Black Chrome Digizoid: very hard? Apparently Cranniummon can use it to access his shield and spear, so maybe it cna be shaped into weapons or something.
KrytenKoro 19:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chrome Digizoid 

message: I've noticed a lot of Digimon have nicknames such as "The Crow of Silver" and stuff, especially the Royal Knights ("The Golden Knight", "The Knight of Loyalty", "The Knight of Balance", "The Knight of Passion", "The Knight of Indifference"). Should we consider adding a "Nickname" or "Title" part of the infobox template?KrytenKoro 04:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames? 

message: Okay, we've got the main character thing figured out, but I'd like some help on the secondary character bits. What I'm thinking is that for any Digimon who has a suitably large section under the season header on their entry, we move that text to the appropriate "List of characters" page, and then leave a (main): Digimon (Season) link. For example, Zhuqaoimon has a nice little section under "Digimon Tamers" that would work better on the character page, since it is obviously a character. Since these lists are for the species, not specific members that are characters, this should fall well in line with the setup. (Technically, Zhuqaiomon would go under Digimon Sovereigns, but you get my point)
We also need to trim stuff like "His skill "Terra Force" costs 40MP and is an single-enemy attack. It is the strongest skill for no-property digimon, if counting the damage points only." or the Card Battle specifics, since they are pure gamecruft, and their meaning isn't even explained to the reader.
Also, we should make sure that we are appropriately citing everything - all I can do right now is the evolutions
:(Digimon Tamers, "Song of Sakuyamon" [82]),
since I don't know which website people are getting all of the "It is said" stuff from - those need to be cited too. If something comes from a Digimon Analyzer/D-Arc/Bokomon's Book screen, by all means we should include it, but it still needs to be cited
:(Digimon Frontier, "A Molehill out of a Moutain" [56]; Bokomon: "KaratsukiNumemon are squishy and have shells")
Finally, we should use the standard (Ja:) and (En:) bits for voice actors, or for anything that differs between the two version in the infobox. And make sure we are using the series correct name, such as Digimon Adventure V-Tamer 01, instead of just V-Tamer (V-Tamer 01, for short in the "Appears" bit, or in-paragraph).
Thanks!KrytenKoro 17:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also - what is the consensus on how to organize attack techniques? Because they seem to be neither ordered alphabetically or by the Digimon's personal ranking "system" (Winning Technique, Special Technique, other techniques, etc.). Thanks.KrytenKoro 04:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digimon that appear as characters, and general list requests 

message: I know this is probably going to sound old to you guys, but the official dictionary still spells it "Neptunemon".KrytenKoro 20:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neptunemon 

message: I'm currently rereading V-Tamer 01 for citations and relevant/interesting info. I'll post what I've got below, so that editors who are more familar with the appropriate articles will know where and how to insert them. Thanks!KrytenKoro
User:KrytenKoro/V-Tamer_01_Notes
:I'll consider doing the same thing as well, but for Digimon Next, at the moment though the masterlists and image fur's come first. Trainra 02:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By masterlists you mean the "List of ~~ Digimon (Part X)", right? Anyway, about Next - do you have personal copies, or do you know a source for scanlations?KrytenKoro 03:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do mean those, they are almost done, and I have both personal and on-line volumes of Next. Trainra 05:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What needs to be done with the lists, besides general cleanup? I didn't quite understand the big reorganization project page.KrytenKoro 06:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been done for a while, but I'm notifying you guys now - go ahead and exploit the notes to your twisted designs.KrytenKoro 22:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  V-Tamer 01 

message: After the big reorganisation of the Digimon articles I realised that the three categories "Digimon articles in need of expansion", "Digimon stubs" and "Digimon articles in need of images" are no longer needed. Thus we should delete them (which is already proposed for Digimon stubs). Diabound 09:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. If we ever get another stub article we can just use the anime stub tag. -- Ned Scott 09:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Digimon stub type was deleted as it only had one stub in it. Please use the  (the owner of Digimon) template where applicable, as opposed to generic video game or anime stubs. Unless project members object, it would be helpful to add this to the project's Templates section. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 05:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of categories 

message: I have edited List of Digimon to be formatted and readable (see my revision here). My edit was reverted to the previous unformatted version, with the reasoning "Your way makes the page ultra long though, so what's wrong with the way it is?". The list is ultra-long, but I would like to point out that I did not create any of these Digimon, so please blame Namco-Bandai for this problem. It is pointless to have a list of anything if it is not readable and navigable. I have no interest in edit warring on this. I leave it up to the project, as it's your list anyway. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lists are fairly irritating things.  But there is nothing wrong with what you did - in fact, it's the first thing WP:BOLD tells you to do.  But for arguments' sake, neither version is bad, and the chances don't make it incredibly longer - in fact, it looks a lot tidier for this.  Discussion is always nice - go ahead and talk with Trainra.  And despite the name, we aren't in charge of Digimon articles (see WP:OWN) - but we do help organise them.  And I prefer "your" version with headings.  x42bn6 Talk Mess 11:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The headers do make it slightly less easy to read (for me) - it's hard for me to describe why, but the headers seem distracting, I think. As for the previous version being unformatted - it's in alphabetical order, with alphabetical "headers". How was it unreadable?KrytenKoro 18:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry if I seemed confused. I mean it's within your scope, and perhaps you'd have a different view then me. My interest is in organization, not Digimon, and I feel that the project should keep the version that best suits the articles. I merely seek to give the options. As to how it was unreadable, it is awkward to need to scroll all the way top to bottom, back to the top, back to the bottom, back to the top, and back to the bottom again, just to see the entire list in alphabetical order. My formatting placed the sections in columns, as opposed to the entire list. This makes it navigable. A list like this is to be read, as well as to be used as a directory for all Digimon. My formatting would allow someone looking for a certain Digimon, but possibly unsure of the name ("Was it named Salmon?") to click on a letter (S) or simply scroll down (once), see the entire section on the screen, and find the Digimon they were looking for (Salamon). But again, do with it as you will. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 05:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think I might of fixed the problem a bit, but like KrytenKoro said I feel it is more easily readable the old way. The way your version is set out anyway, you would have to scroll to the top and back again anyway. Take a look and tell me if it's still problematic and a consensus will need to be reached. Trainra 11:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: But if they know it starts with S, how would the second method be any different? Both of them are organizes alphabetically, just one vertically and one horizontally. I guess Ninja's is okay, it just seems a bit cluttered.KrytenKoro 20:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyway, I've got a third option - organizing it by level. Level differentiation is usually pretty clear, (no one would confuse an in-training or fresh with anything else, or a rookie with an ultimate), and it would help sort out the cases where two Digimon have similar looking names.KrytenKoro 03:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, we could probably make a really big sortable table. -- Ned Scott 04:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Digimon 

message: I could really use some help getting List of characters in Digimon Tamers up to snuff. Most of the humans are sentence fragments, and  I need help determining which Digimon should be considered paragraph-worthy characters. Thanks!KrytenKoro 06:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: We also need to make an effort to go through the lists, and move the info for Digimon who have enough presence to be characters to the characters lists, and leaving "main article" links in their place, and remove the little blurbs where main article links are.KrytenKoro 06:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List culling 

message: Is it just me, or do they look very similar? --Raijinili 21:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the mask, which Garudamon also has, they don't really have anything in common.KrytenKoro 02:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the colors. But looking at Beelzemon again, I guess you're right. --Raijinili 19:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beelzemon]] and [[Apocalymon]]