Talk:A Bridge Too Far (film)

message: although the movie is now considered a failure,probably because no one except world war 2 enthusiasts could sustain interest for so long,it is historically one of the more accurate of Hollywoods offerings on the war. Anon.
That is wrong. Though the movie is long and meandering, the screenwriter and director have said that any sort of non-minor cuts would have obscured the plot, making it even more confusing. From what I've seen (critical and popular opinion), it's in fact considered one of the best WW2 movies ever made.--67.161.115.23 00:06, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it is historically one of the more accurate of Hollywoods offerings on the war - LOL! - read the A Bridge Too Far book and see how 'accurate' it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.47.119 (talk) 12:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: I think that there needs to be a mention that the phrase 'A bridge too far' has spread into popular culture. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural pharase 

message: In Ryan's novel, the umbrella guy seems to be a British officer called Tatham-Warter, but in the film hasn't that name. Is it also true that the very same Tatham-Warter at a later stage submerged into the Dutch underground, helping their efforts? --Keimzelle 30 June 2005 18:01 (UTC)
*Christopher Good played Maj. Carlyle (based on Maj. Allison Digby Tatham-Warter)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.75.141 (talk) 17:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The guy with the umbrella 

message: How can Colin Farrell play a Corporal in this movie? At the time of release, he would've been one year old. Bloodfyr 22:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a different Colin Farrell   :)   Gnorn 22:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why does it link to the Colin Farrell that it does? 151.204.9.209 01:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  The link was still present today (2009/03/24) - I will try to remove it (my first go at a link edit). Pylonvu (talk) 23:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colin Farrell 

message: Ben Cross is in this movie but I don't seem him listed in the cast.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.131.146.51 (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Cross 

message: If you are looking to contribute to this article, review what links to this article and if any of that material is relevant to this article, add it. -- Jreferee 22:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: If you want to contribute ...

message: There looks to be an incorrect link for Richard Levin.
Nitin 11:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect link for richard Levin 

message: (under 2.2 Germans) - links to page for the actor's father, a composer, of the same name. The page 'Lex van Delden (actor)' does not exist in wiki.en Sintermerte (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect link for Lex van Delden 

message: Major Cook was based off of Major T. Moffatt Burriss. More information about him can be found here: 
http://www.sceducationlottery.com/lottery/burriss.aspx
And he wrote a book about the event called Strike and Hold which can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/Strike-Hold-Memoir-Airborne-World/dp/1574883488/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1
Please update!
Melaniesayshi (talk) 21:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Major Cook is based upon Major Julian Cook, C/O of the 3rd Battalion of the 504 PIR, 82nd Airborne.  He was a real figure in life, and did lead the assault across the Waal river.  Major Burriss was also there, but would have been a Captain at the time, in command of I Company, in Cook's 3rd Battalion.  It's possible that a few of Buriss' actions were merged into Cook's (he is a slight composite character) - a veteran (it may even be Burriss) mentions this on the extra's DVD of A Bridge Too Far.  But the main character is Cook himself. Cheers Ranger Steve (talk) 08:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect info for Major Cook 

message: Regarding the note about "Col. Robert Stout" under Historical accuracy. What is the significance to include the information about Band of Brothers? It has nothing to do with this film. (In fact, I get a bit fed up to see links to Band of Brothers all over Wikipedia for every tiny bit of information that has some fague link to the series, seems a bit fanboyish to me) Gnorn 09:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Band of Brothers link? 

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message: I should point out that this British officer actually survived the battle, rather than dying, as he did in the film. Although I can't for the life of me remember his name. --J.StuartClarke (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Officer with Umbrella

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message: I recall seeing a documentary about the making of this film where the lack of Oscar nominations was attributed (by Attenborough or some other senior figure in the film) to the idea that U.S. audiences didn't understand why a movie was made that showed the Allies losing... If anyone can find out the name of that documentary (or find another source), I think we should add it in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenSutherland (talk • contribs) 12:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards (or lack thereof) 

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message: Blumentritt's rank is not SS-Gruppenführer but general. Blumentritt has never been in the SS. Educate yourselves.
:Actually at the time of Market Garden he was General der Infanterie, a rank in the German Army. Can't recall which command he hold then... can anyone help please? Regards,DPdH (talk) 14:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blumentritt 

message: From the Plot summary: "observes the German withdrawal toward the Germany".Shouldn't that be "towards Germany"? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 17:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Germany (typo?) 

message: How is this to be done? The section deals with the instances where historical fact differed from the script. It seems to me an appropriate place to highlight this as a 'liberty' taken with history by the director/producer/writer(s) of the script? Looking for further advice--121.217.128.27 (talk) 04:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The film is a work of fiction, so the creative team is not necessarily taking liberties with historical accuracy. The adaptation process inevitably results in "differences" from reality (history), so sections like this in an article about a fictional work are probably inappropriate or irrelevant. Film article style guidelines, however, do offer suggestions on how to use the material to enhance the article, usually by incorporating the copy into the Production and Reception sections (see the notes on Adaptations and historical accuracy). Since most of the material in this section appears to be some editor's original research and has been tagged as such since January (with no apparent efforts to resolve), I'm going to relocate to here so the article is improved, but the information is available for improvement. 173.72.136.143 (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a Leopard 1, which would also be out of place however.  --Ferbess (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a Leopard 1, possibly substituting a Panther of which in the 1970s may not have been any in working order. Regards, DPdH (talk) 14:49, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of miscellaneous information should be avoided. Please relocate any relevant information into appropriate sections or articles. 

message: Role of Organist (Eric Chitty) believed to belong in the English cast.
Nationality is not specified in the movie, but scene matches descriptions of disrupted English church services (see e.g. A Bridge Too Far, Part Three, Para 2).
Hexborne (talk) 16:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality of Organist 

message: I suspect (it's a few years since I watched the film) that some of the detail in this article relates to the real-life events rather than to the film plot.  I've removed some (e.g. "General Gavin ... breaks two discs in his back during his landing") already as part of general trimming.  I think it needs someone to watch the film and remove non-film stuff. In the meantime I'll try to make it read a bit less like military history to discourage the addition of more reality. DexDor (talk) 21:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the movie, they mention that they think Gavin 'cracked his spine' in the jump. HammerFilmFan (talk) 23:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality creeping in ? 

message: Oberscharführer Matthias is played by lex van delden jr. The link on this page is too his fathers page lex van delden sr. the composer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.73.36.216 (talk) 02:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 08:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lex van Delden 

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message: Treatment of plot was double the size permitted by the WP:FILMPLOT guidelines. Meeting them was going to be difficult, in any case, given the fragmentary nature of the film itself, which covers the broad advance behind Arnhem and the conflict in the town itself, as well as a number of anecdotal episodes. In shortening the plot, only a narrow sense of the narrative can be given, and in certain cases the actual sequence of events in the film had to be changed in order to clarify what is happening. If other editors wish to change priorities, they should bear in mind that 700 words is the maximum limit and they risk reversion if they go beyond. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: Failure to complete the scene would have necessitated rescheduling at a cost... of at least a million dollars. For this reason, Attenborough insisted that all actors playing corpses keep their eyes closed.
:Whatever does this mean? Valetude (talk) 22:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If their eyes were closed, they would be less likely to ruin the scene by glancing at something, or blinked their eyes mid-scene in response to light or dust.  So, even though dead bodies don't always have closed eyes, it was safer to have the actors do so for filming.  Another option would be to make convincing dummies for each body, but that would also be expensive.   Or all the bodies could be positioned head down, or face away from the camera, but that might look suspiciously staged.  These days, if anyone blinked, it could be digitally fixed, but that option would have been expensive then, too, and/or look bad.    StuRat (talk) 01:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seemed perfectly clear to me. The above is speculation written for Valedtude's benefit, but it does not entitle him to make feeble edits to a passage in the article which has a reference. Adding to it counts as WP:Original Research. Sweetpool50 (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify, please 

message: Most of the allied planes in the movie still carry the D-Day livery (black and white stripes). The story takes place in September '44, is this factually correct? 178.115.129.131 (talk) 22:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Invasion stripes still used until the end of '44, but only applied in the lower surfaces. The Dakota of Battle of Britain Memorial Flight has a livery of a Dakota that participated in Market Garden has Invasion stripes in the lower surfaces.https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/operation-market-garden/ Jauhsekali (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Normandy campaign, upper stripes were deleted from 1 July 1944 to make Allied aircraft on the ground less visible to the enemy. For Market Garden, full upper and lower stripes were reinstated on tugs, gliders and transports. Not sure about fighters and fighter-bombers, but, due to a major miscalculation by General Brereton, who grounded the tactical air forces during troop and resupply lifts every day, fighters and fighter-bombers took surprisingly little part, ceding air superiority over the battlefield to the enemy. Which had quite a lot to do with the operation's failure. Khamba Tendal (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invasion stripes 

message: Why does the infobox call Ryan's book a 'novel'? It was not a work of fiction. 83.20.163.105 (talk) 10:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a novel 

message: I've added Private Dennis Wicks, played by Paul Copley, as a real-life character, because he was. Frost spent many years after the war trying to trace him, even placing newspaper ads, but ITV succeeded and Dennis Wicks appeared on the then General Frost's edition of This Is Your Life in 1977. The suggestion in the film that Frost asked his batman to pack his dinner jacket for the paradrop merely reflects the American screenwriter's unconscious Anglophobia. According to Antony Beevor in Arnhem: The Battle for the Bridges, 1944, p.74, Frost 'ordered his batman Wicks to pack his dinner jacket, golf clubs and shotgun ready to come over with the staff car later' (that is, with the division's 'seaborne tail'). Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frost's Batman