Talk:Benjamin Feingold

message: The biographical content on this page comes from the Feingold Organization's website, but I believe that this does not violate copyright, as I used the facts presented there without cutting and pasting, and gave a link to their website.  Much of the other information comes from "quackwatch.org".  It was released (on request) under the GFDL. --Slashme 05:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Content sources

message: I have added a sentence to the top of the quackwatch.org sections.  I had painstakingly edited all the paragraphs to make them factually accurate, but you removed it.  I had previously removed all the paragraphs about the diet -- they don't belong on a biography page anyhow.  But they came back.  It seems everything I do to this page is reversed.  Perhaps I am not doing something correctly?  Please advise. Shulae
::The edit you made was non-encyclopedic in tone.  Let me quote:
:::This is marvelous - yet the scientists with ties to the drug companies and the additive companies would have you believe it is the DIET that doesn't work if it cannot be undone by a small amount of a single challenge of their choice.
::That is polemical in tone, and not appropriate for an encyclopedia.  See below for my suggestions on how to achieve consensus.  --Slashme 07:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi Shulae!
You appear to be an advocate for the Feingold association, and well versed in the subject matter.  Your inputs are useful, and we need to balance out the article.  To this end, I have created a project page containing your edits at Benjamin_Feingold/Objections where we can work on a new version of the article.  In the meantime, I have placed a tag at the top of the main article warning users that the neutrality of the article is under dispute.  I don't have much time to work on the issue at the moment, but I think that the fastest way to get the biographical article sorted out and neutral would be (as you seem to suggest in your commentary) to create a page on the Feingold Diet as such, and link to it from this article.  Please note that I am working in good faith, and I also want to get a balanced view in Wikipedia. --Slashme 07:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Hi Slashme,
I doubt you can easily combine the point of view of both the Feingold Association and the Quackwatch organization into anything reasonable, since their entire intention is to vilify the use of alternatives.  Notice on their own website http://www.quackwatch.org that the page you have in your encyclopedia in in their "quackery" section.  It is not a neutral article; it is not a factual article; it is not an honest article.  
My suggestion would be -- since this is a biography page -- to limit the information on it to biography.  Why is all this other information necessary anyway?  Certainly in his long life, this is not Dr. Feingold's main contribution to society.  How about the fact that he worked under the man who coined the term "allergy?"  It is hard for us today to remember a time when we didn't know that people have allergies -- and in large part he is the person we can thank for enlightening us.  His work on fleas and haptens showed that there is more than one kind of allergy.  Low molecular weight chemicals (like flea venom and synthetic colorings) cannot cause allergy on their own, but only in combination with larger proteins.  In some cases, allergic complexes are formed (IgG reactions) and in others pharmacological reactions (side effects as in drugs) happen.  I do not know enough to write in depth on any of this, but would have to refer you to his textbook on allergy.  If you read Dr. Feingold's book "Why Your Child is Hyperactive" written by request of Random House, what is surprising is that rather than sounding dated after 30 years, it actually reads like prophesy.  He described the recent (at that time) changes in the American food supply and predicted what would happen if we continued down that path.  We did, and what he foretold has materialized exactly as he said.  It is a scary thing to see.--Shulae
Hi Shulae,
I have followed your suggestion, and moved the sections on the Feingold Diet to a new page, and also moved the project page to Feingold diet/Objections.  I will now proceed to strip that page of  most of the biographical content.
I have also removed the POV tag, as most of the contentious matter should now be at the new page.  Please check that you agree with this.  If you don't agree, feel free to replace the tag and discuss.  --Slashme 17:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  easiest suggestion 

message: I have uploaded a photo of Dr. Feingold.  My apologies that I do not know how to insert it into the text at the right of the first paragraph, where I would have chosen to have it.  Perhaps someone else can move it?  Shulae
:OK, thanks for the photo!  I have fixed the formatting.  One down on the todo-list, two to go.  --Slashme 11:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
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