Talk:Berlin Tempelhof Airport

message: In the article it is statedThe old terminal, originally constructed in 1927, became the world's first with an underground railway. The station has since been renamed Paradestraße, because the rebuilding of the airport in the 1930s required the airport access to be moved to a major intersection with a station now called Platz der Luftbrücke after the Berlin Airlift.
That is definitively not the case. The old terminal was in the northeast sector of the airport, slightly southwards to the radar tower erected in the 80s and slightly westwards of the islamic burial ground in Columbiadamm. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1998-041-09,_Berlin,_Zentralflughafen,_Luftaufnahme.jpg&filetimestamp=20081212221543 is an aerial view of the site, the burial ground visible in the images utmost right. Road access was from the north (the image was taken looking roughly in north-western orientation), via Columbiadamm (named by  Clarence D. Chamberlin's plane "Miss Columbia"). The image just shows the access road leading to Columbiadamm, but not Columbiadamm itself.
The subway station "Paradestraße" lies westward of the airport on the Tempelhofer Damm, and is about 1.5 km "as the crow flies" from the site of the old terminal building.
On http://www.flughafentempelhof.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090708_hofmann_kuehl.jpg the area of the old airport is designated as "2. Flughafenkomplex (ab 1925 bis 1945)" (2nd airport complex), the actual terminal building was located in the vicinity of what's described there as "Schießstand" (shooting range).
The location of the subway station "Paradestraße" is far to the left, southwards of "Platz der Luftbrücke" (with it's iconic airlift memorial).
Maybe the confusion stems from the subway station's primary name "Flughafen" (airport), which it had from it's opening in 1927 until 1937, when it became "Paradestraße" (parade street). The old name was then given to the station northwards of it, which till then was named "Kreuzberg", honoring the neighbouring borough of Kreuzberg. In 1975 the subway station "Flughafen" was renamed to "Platz der Luftbrücke" in memory of the 1948/49 airlift operation. 
89.247.208.169 (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual error in article

message: When CNN reported the closing of Tempelhof this morning, the reporter said it was built by slave labor.  It seems somewhat early in the Nazi era for that to be true -- more likely (at least to me) that this was still the era Hitler/Speer were employing the formerly unemployed for projects.  Anyone have any evidence one way or the other? CsikosLo (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Built by slave labor?

message: There is generally a US-Centric feel in the article, esp. the part about the cold war looks like directly out of cold war propaganda, i.e. the Sentence "The Western Allies had achieved their goals and returned a united city of Berlin to the unified German government." is just as much nonsense as the sentence "The USSR did achieve their goals and returned a united city of Berlin to the unified German government.".
Denying the history of Berlin and the events of the Cold War which transpired there between 1945 and 1994 disserves everyone. With the events of the Cold War, the erection of the Berlin Wall, and the several confrontations between the United States and Soviet Union over the status of Berlin,  the role of Tempelhof in keeping a western presence in Berlin is indisputable.
The fact is that the United States provided the military force to keep the Soviets out of West Berlin and Tempelhof was a major facility in that effort for almost 50 years.   One of the major goals of the West after World War II was to get rid that horrid Berlin Wall torn down and achieve a final political settlement with regards to division of Germany and Berlin.
The events of 1989/1990 and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union caused that to happen. Today all the people of Berlin and Germany live in freedom partly because of the United States presence at Tempelhof.   When the goals of the United States were achieved, they left and returned  Tempelhof to the German people.
The information I provided to this article is simply a statement of the historical record of the events between 1945 and 1994.   The statement in question "The Western Allies had achieved their goals and returned a united city of Berlin to the unified German government"  simply provides the rationale for that presence. It is a significat part of the article. 
 - bwmoll3. 12/14/06.
:The fact is, in the original post-WWII environment it was agreed The Four Allies have equal responsibilities over Berlin, and Berlin is to be jointly administered/occupied until the final peace treaty is signed.  Berlin Blockade in 1948 was to aim to cause the USA, Britain and France to withdraw from the western sectors of Berlin.  In other words, the Soviets were attempting to renege on the Four Power Agreement.  And in the process of unilaterally transferring the sovereignty of the Soviet sector of Berlin to the GDR agreement, it had indeed breached the agreement with the three Western Allies over the status of Berlin.  The Western Allies were obliged to keep in Berlin until its status were resolved, which eventually came through the form of the Two plus four treaty in 1990.  Thus the argument of the Western Allies actions being POV, IMHO, is invalid. --JNZ 11:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The airport is simply called Sydney Airport, the article was moved a long time ago from Kingsford Smith International Airport as Sydney Airport was deemed the correct name.  The anon user who keeps reverting my edits references Avalon Airport "as this is a different airport from Sydney's Avalon airport ".  Avalon Airport is a secondary airport for Melbourne some 900 kilometres away from Sydney. The airport is called Sydney Airport, let's leave it that way. Mvjs (talk) 23:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney Airport 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose, Tempelhof Airport should be used instead, as it is the common name in English. 70.55.85.122 (talk) 08:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the German equivalent is "Zentralflughafen Berlin-Tempelhof" ("Berlin-Tempelhof Central Airport"), but this name appears historic nowadays since it isn't Berlin's only airport anymore. --Komischn (talk) 13:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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*Oppose the Encyclopedia Britannica uses "Tempelhof International Airport" 76.66.195.159 (talk) 14:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * Actually, it uses "Tempelhof Central Airport" , which is outdated. -- 3247 (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The coordinates of the new airport template have moved the airplane icon back out of Templehof. How can you nudge the airplane silhouette back eastwards on map by about one plane width so that it actually is in Templehof again like I had it before? I realize, the actual coordinates should not be touched, but how can you fix this mistake otherwise so that the airplane icon really shows the precise location in Berlin? Alandeus (talk) 08:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airplane icon position on map 

message: The column of photos on the right-hand side of planes landing — except perhaps the first two — don't really illustrate Tempelhof; they could have been taken anywhere. Sca (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - one, now removed, said it was taken at Dublin! Meanwhile the rather important architecure is under-covered and under illustrated. Johnbod (talk) 18:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: BREAD & BUTTER BERLIN tradeshow for selected brands ...BREAD & BUTTER from Butterbrot, 
see www.breadandbutter.com 
Berlin's largest fashion fair‡ From: spiegel.de: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/berliner-fashion-week-das-abc-der-modewelt-a-809422.html#bread_and_butter
Bread and Butter: Berlins größte Modemesse‡ und «das tägliche Brot» der Modewoche. 
(Here some brands present that are known to the average consumer from their own wardrobes:) Hier stellt sich die eine oder andere Marke vor, die der Durchschnittsverbraucher aus dem eigenen Kleiderschrank kennt: 
Levis, Pepe Jeans, Bench. 600 Brands aus den Bereichen Streetwear, Sportswear und Denim präsentieren sich auf dem Flughafen Tempelhof.
Categories:
* Fashion events in Germany
* Events in Berlin
* German fashion
* Fashion stubs
--Schwab7000 (talk) 11:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-airport usage 

message: I visiting this Wiki because I just today (August 2016) visited and cycled around the park. No signs of any refugee camp. Can we get a citation on this refugee camp statement?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.189.28.73 (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please change the wording next time, & do not diminish the citation templates. Those citation templates contain the information that they have for a reason, & reducing them to bare URLs is unacceptable. Peaceray (talk) 13:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

text: I hate IP editors as much as you - they're scum - but their concerns in this case were entirely valid. A simple rewrite of two sentences fixed that. I've done it myself. It's great that Wikipedia has  policemen like yourself keeping order all the time - well done! - but in this case the IPs had a point. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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