Talk:Heineken N.V.

message: On 15 February 1864, Gerard Adriaan Heineken bought De Hooiberg (the Haystack) brewery in Amsterdam . It remains unclear whether the funds for the purchase of the Haystack came from his father, a cheese trader, or his mother, whose estate included proceeds from her previous husband’s family’s historical investments in West Indies slave plantations. 
 
Gerard’s father, Cornelis Heineken, was a businessman trading cheese and other foods. In 1862, Cornelis passed away and Gerard received an inheritance of 54,736 fl. . As Gerard bought the Haystack shortly after he received this inheritance from his father, it is conceivable that Gerard used it to fund the Haystack’s purchase possibly combined with a family or bank loan. 
 
In a letter to his mother 18 June 1863, Gerard discussed the potential Haystack purchase and his plans for the future  Gerard’s mother, Anna Geertruida van de Paauw , came to own shares in slave plantations in Berbice (modern day Guyana) and Suriname through her first marriage in 1829 to Pieter Jacob Schumacher van Oudorp (1804–1833)  who passed away in 1833. The Schumacher family owned several plantations in Berbice and Suriname, according to records held at the UK’s National Archive  . After Pieter Schumacher died, Anna was remarried to Cornelis Heineken and had four children, one of which was Gerard Heineken. Anna passed away in 1881. 
 
The heritage section of the Heineken company website includes historical research and documents about its funding origins. The company states that it cannot be ruled out that money with a historical link to slave plantations tied to Gerard’s mother’s first husband’s family was in some way used to fund the purchase of the Haystack. They note that despite extensive research, documentation that validates these details has not been found. 
* Why it should be changed:
There is no verifiable evidence as to where the money for the purchase actually came from, and the article should highlight the disputed nature of this fact which the current article does not.
New information has surfaced from the Amsterdam Archives showing the purchase contract for the Haystack Brewery, and the inheritance Gerard Heineken received from his father. These documents are cited as they show there is doubt as to the origin of the funds for the original purchase.
I think it is still important that the information showing that Anna's first husband was a slave plantation owner is relevant and should stay in.
The current article states that Heineken haven't acknowledged their links to slavery, which they actually have so I have cited the link to where they acknowledge this on their corporate website.
Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 11:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now:  I'm unable to approve this ER for now due to excessive bloat. I aknowledge the effort put in it, but it must be more concise. Quetstar (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

text: @Occasionalpedestrian I think that some research should be done in order to find a source for the disputed nature of the slavery claims. If there are no sources that back it up, it can be removed. Quetstar (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Based off my own, somewhat shallow research it seems like there's just insufficient evidence (for the time being), so I think the first sentence proposed by the COI editor is a bit more accurate. I acknowledge that that might seem like whitewashing to some editors, but I think stating that as fact is original research at best. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged links to slavery

message: Never heard of this so-called controversy and the segment doesn't even address any of it at all and is a hot mess.
Seems to me that a commufascist contributor wanted to score some woke points by adding it.
It should be deleted because it only exists in the contributor's brainless mind. 80.56.128.44 (talk) 12:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible ties to the slave trade controversy???? 

message: Shouldn't Lagunitas be listed as one of the Heineken Americas breweries  since they bought %100 stake in Lagunitas? 2600:1010:B11C:B1FB:944D:2879:6F8D:712C (talk) 23:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  lagunitas brewery not listed in Americas