Talk:Gender in speculative fiction

message: To lquilter:
I knew I was pushing the scope on the SiSF page.  But I'm not sure how to disambiguate, e.g., Delaney's writings...he does address gender and many other social phenomena through sexuality (which for Delaney is a realm of individual uniqueness)...whereas LeGuin tends to do the opposite.
In fact social science is an important subject for SF writers - sometimes sometimes as subtext and sometimes explicitly - so maybe we should address that separately.
Anyway, I'm thrilled to have contributed to some extent and therefore now have gotten a username.
Thank you. Vendrov 07:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Vendrov - Glad you're working on this. I had to take off a couple of months for personal stuff but am getting back in the game again. Will see you around, and I'll start working on this page again. --lquilter 19:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we need some mention of notable works here.  For example, "Left Hand of Darkness" gets no mention here or in SiSF.  Rodparkes 01:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: The image used with the caption "typically masculine SF hero" is a guy in a blouse, a beret, and a skirt? This looks like a joke. Surely a more representative image of male masculinity can be found. DreamGuy (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are showing your cultural bias. Kilts are extremely masculine in some places, as are Jack boots. It was chosen as being both free and being a depiction of the undeniably über-masculine Heinlein character.YobMod 14:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are much better images that could be used to demonstrate that caption. My "cultural bias" is the same as the overwhelming majority of people looking at this article. Someone dressed like a schoolgirl shouldn't be used as an example of "typical" masculinity. DreamGuy (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: It seems to kind of stop at the 1970s. I think there's been some advances or at least alterations since then. There's been Kathryn Janeway, Susan Ivanova, Max Guevara, Kira Nerys, Laura Roslin, Turanga Leela, and Dana Scully. Not saying those are all unqualified successes or universally positive or whatever, but their a bit different than just hired-guns for unseen men or secretaries.--T. Anthony (talk) 11:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: In the comics section, recommend adding something on the Ooku manga series.   I would have done this but the comics section in this article doesn't really deal directly with speculative fiction/comics but more with just gender considerations in comics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.183.71.67 (talk) 08:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: Hi  -- I see that you're in a class, and that's exciting -- I'm delighted that classes are looking at these kinds of articles and bias issues in Wikipedia. So, first, thanks for your contributions. 
Now, some comments, because I give feedback to writers, among other things. I think that some of your edits are not reading the same way that you perhaps intend them to. For instance: 
* You changed "The portrayal of women, or more broadly, the portrayal of gender in the speculative genres," to "The portrayal of women, or female-identified characters in the speculative genres".  Here, you're substituting "female-identified characters" for "portrayal of gender". These two phrases are not substitutable, really. I think you perhaps mean to add "female-identified characters" to "women" to expand that phrase, or perhaps to substitute for the phrase "women". But "portrayal of gender" is a separate meaning. You've done that again further in the paragraph ("understandings and portrayals of women, men, and sexuality" converted to "understandings and portrayals of gender and sexuality") and again, I think these are semantically distinct. It works better in the second instance, but I think it's problematic in the first. I'd suggest something like this for the first sentence:  
:: "The portrayal of women (or female-identified characters) and, more broadly, the depiction of gender in the speculative genres ..." 
That provides a little more context for the use of "female-identified" instead of "women". 
* General point about "female-identified". What's your thinking about incorporating this term? You have done it sometimes, but not other times, and I can't see a pattern, really. I would argue that "female-identified" is appropriate sometimes to clarify and expand, but substituting the term for "women" in all or most cases seems unnecessarily lengthy and jargonistic. That's not what you're doing, obviously, but how are you deciding which term is appropriate? 
* You then switch to "feminine-identified" which is yet a different term. 
* This sentence, "As more and more readers and fans of science fiction become female identified" - is quite awkward. Are you meaning it to read, "As more fans are transitioning" ...? Or are you meaning it as the demographics of fandom shift ...? 
* You've also capitalized a number of words sort of randomly in the middle of sentences -- "Speculative fiction", "Authors". 
* The examples of texts (Dick & Tolkien) you've added don't actually have any content about the characters, so they're not really helpful to the reader of this encyclopedia article -- literally hundreds or thousands of texts could be listed; so why choose these? Are they exemplary in some fashion? Groundbreaking? 
* And lastly, I'd like you to really look at the paragraph you added, and please consider how your sentences actually add substantive examples or points, rather than generally re-stating the point of this section. 
Hope these comments are helpful as you think about writing. 
Lquilter (talk) 11:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: It should be noted that 'Gender in speculative fiction is, the topic umbrella that I'll be tackling in my wiki.edu class. And as such, the following bibliography is of a source that will be used to supplement the article that I will contribute towards, in other words, this article here. 
Sophie Jacquot (2010) The Paradox of Gender Mainstreaming: Unanticipated Effects of New Modes of Governance in the Gender Equality Domain, West European Politics, 33:1, 118-135, DOI: 10.1080/01402380903354163
With the source that I've found, the main argument it has is the form and significance of gender mainstreaming and introduces a new perspective that challenges the current policies of Europe's government involving the 'Community Method.' The key issue that the article introduces is the challenges that gender mainstreaming against European modes of government involving their classic methods of societal integration. Furthermore, this article touches upon the impact of genre mainstreaming on the development of gender equality policy. The analytical methodologies/methods or lenses it uses to approach gender mainstreaming is through the analysis of Societal methodologies such as the Community Method, the Open Method of Coordination, and other methods such as sector-specific methodologies, control lists, and formation programs.This article concludes that gender mainstreaming challenges the conventional understanding of institutionalization. As such, the challenges this presents are more often than not a cognitive dilemma. In this manner, the marginalization in certain industries such as the acting industry provides a better picture as to why there is a power redistribution amongst actors and the modification of access to the gender equality sector. Though the article states that policy does not change as promptly as one may like, the beginning of policy change such as gender equality must be done through the utilization of policy instruments.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cvelmonte (talk • contribs) 05:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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