Talk:Hammered dulcimer

message: "The importance of the method of setting the strings in vibration by means of hammers, and its bearing on the acoustics of the instrument, were recognized only when the invention of the pianoforte had become a matter of history. It was then perceived that the psalterium in which the strings were plucked, and the dulcimer in which they were struck, when provided with keyboards, gave rise to two distinct families of instruments..."
I contend that that's nonsense.  When, exactly, did the invention of the piano "become a matter of history"?  Who "perceived" the giving rise to two families?  (How did "psaltery" become replaced by "psalterium"?)  It's as if instrument makers had no idea what they were doing!  In the 20th century, the acoustics of struck and plucked strings was carefully analyzed, showing that the two methods of sounding the strings gave entirely distinct sounds, distinct also from those of bowed strings. Long before pianos were invented, there were clavichords and spinets, and nobody had any problems distinguishing them. Unfree (talk) 06:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A point in time?

message: Paul Gifford apparently didn't know that 17th century instrument makers drew their own wire. The "availability" of brass wire had nothing to do with the evolution of brass wire instruments back then. Unfree (talk) 06:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Gifford

message: Apparently, confusion is real, rife, and documentable.  At www.dolmetsch.com, the entry under "psaltery" has it that "scholars have tried to distinguish between psaltery and dulcimer, proposing that a 'psaltery' is plucked while a 'dulcimer' is hit, and that both belong to a generic 'zither' family (distinct from specific instruments called 'zither' by their players); but this usage is an abstraction and has no basis in the traditional use of these names: there are plenty of illustrations where psalteries are hit and traditions where dulcimers are plucked" Unfree (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: I was directed to this page after searching for 'tiompan'.  The dulcimer has been equated with the tiompan in Ireland only recently, by the late Derek Bell, after Galpin's theories.  However, this stands in opposition to the research which indicates that the tiompan was a native Gaelic instrument similar to the Welsh crwth and not a hammered dulcimer.  There is no mention on the Hammered Dulcimer page that the hammered dulcimer is probably not an actual tiompan.  I suggest that search entries for 'tiompan' lead to a Tiompan page, rather than a highly disputable (on this point) Hammered Dulcimer page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.108.116 (talk) 14:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An article needs to be written first. Once that's done, then we can redirect. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiompan 

message: As an amateur santur player,this article has major flaws,in fact there are Babylonian depictions of santur and santur players as old as 1500 bc during the reign of Akkadian king Ammi-Saduqa(honest uncle in semitic)or Akkadian king Shamshu-Ditana(Given by sun to us in Semitic).
Here below one of the first depictions of santur playing Akkadians.
http://www.turksanturu.com/tarihce_clip_image002_0004.jpg
http://www.turksanturu.com/tarihce_clip_image002_0002.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4586/akkadiansanturharp.jpg
Persians came very late to middle east and were ver few,they only imposed their language by a phenomenon of military elite dominance over the much more numerous local middle easterner townsmen and farmers,but the bulk of Iran's population ians,as proven by genetical studies,is the continuation of the local autochtonous middle easterners and the Persian genetical input was very weak indeed.
Humanbyrace (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   The Santur was NOT invented 3500 years ago in Mesopotamia-Babylon era???  

message: Santur has a rather full table of terms/type of HDs from around the world. I don't think it belongs at that page since this page is the more overarching "genre" page for the larger family of instruments. Should we replicate this chart here? MatthewVanitas (talk) 12:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring over this table from [[Santur]]? 

message: The title of this article should be "Dulcimer" not "Hammered Dulcimer". "Hammered Dulcimer" makes as much sense as "plucked guitar".
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a dulcimer is played with two sticks (hammers). The Grove Dictionary of Music says "Many scholars, however, reserve the term ‘Ċdulcimer’ for an instrument played with hammers, calling it a ‘psaltery’ when the plucking technique is used."
And it goes to say that in the USA, the term ‘hammer dulcimer’ or ‘hammered dulcimer’ has been introduced to avoid confusion with the "Appalachian" or "mountain" dulcimer.
 
The  so-called "Appalachian" or "mountain" dulcimer is not even a type of dulcimer, as it is in fact a plucked fretted zither. 92.20.103.151 (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also the bowed dulcimer, of course, and a separate Wikipedia article about it. In America, at least, this form of the instrument is sufficiently well-known to have made the expression "hammered dulcimer" common enough to throw some doubt on whether WP:COMMONNAME would favour the current or the shorter title. If the title of this article were to be changed to just "Dulcimer", would it not make best sense to also merge that article into this one?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:15, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But dulcimer is a disambig page, which I think makes sense here. The word "dulcimer" is used enough in various contexts that limiting it to just the hammered version doesn't seem appropriate. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:19, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

text: There is nothing to prevent converting a disambiguation page to an article although, as I said, this would most likely imply merging all of the articles into a much larger one. However, I agree that the present use of a disambiguation page with separate articles for Appalacian dulcimer, banjo dulcimer, hammered dulcimer, and bowed dulcimer makes better sense than such a merger. There is also the possibility of changing the present article's title as suggested and changing the disambiguation-page name by adding "(disambiguation)" after "Dulcimer", but this would only be justifiable if the hammered form of the instrument was clearly the primary use of the single word "dulcimer". I don't think this is the case here, but opinions may differ.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Several dictionaries (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Miriam Webster) apply the name to both the Appalachian and Hammered dulcimers. So I agree that keeping the disambiguation page is best. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong title, should be "Dulcimer" 

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