Talk:Flexible-fuel vehicle

message: I suggest that Flexible Fuel Vehicle be merged into this article. It appears to be a stub covering the same subject. I plan to complete this merge by 2006-09-08 if there is no objection and/or a consensus is reached. -- Ratarsed 11:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- Ratarsed 18:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested merge

message: Removed a section of text that made fairly strong claims with no sources to support them (the existing reference simply establishes Brazilian law on the amount of alcohol in Brazilian gasoline. 
Also, the controversy on whether gasoline mixed with ethanol increases pollution is covered in its own section, and probably shouldn't be repeated elsewhere.
Feel free to revert this edit if you can come up with sources.
Obonicus 17:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inefficiency in flexible-fuel vehicles 

message: Where are all the E85 General Motors vehicles? I see nothing buy Chrysler and Ford products and I'm sure they're not the only ones. Please add more manufacturers. -Shintsu  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.137.184 (talk) 10:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GM Vehicles? 

message: Just heard an interview with the guy who wrote it...  Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil and just put in a reference to his website but it would be super if someone could read the book and summarize the arguments. Thanks! Dnklu (talk) 03:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request: Could someone do a page about this book? 

message: This article needs some expert editing. The list of international cars is highly biased towards the North-American market. The US section contains cars such as the Mercedes-Benz C-Class which is available world-wide.
Perhaps this should instead be categorised by brand?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.160.2.254 (talk) 06:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide section is US-centric. US section contains international vehicles 

message: How many flexible fuel vehicles are on the road in various countries? -- Beland (talk) 17:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since added, thanks! -- Beland (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're welcome. Nice edit you did re-organizing the lead and terminology section. It really improved a lot the article flow.--Mariordo (talk) 17:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleet stats 

message: M85 is another fuel that FFVs can run on. This article is too focused on E85 as the only alternative.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Treq (talk • contribs) 15:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please provide a ref (web site) here and I will work on it. The article talks a lot about the E85 because they are the most common in the US and Sweden. Any tip is welcome.--Mariordo (talk) 15:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about M85? 

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message: Citation #73 refers to gasoline-equivalent gallons (g-e-g's) per U.S. D.O.E.'s statistics and not actual fuel economy. I suggest removing "As fuel economy is directly proportional to the fuel's energy content,[73]"
Pablokoh (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please go ahead and do the edit.--Mariordo (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Delete

message: This article is getting too long. So I suggest to move the list of Ford flex-vehicles to an annex or to an article List, separate from this article. I think the article should have only list by country or region, and any lists by other automakers might be created later, all linking to this article. Please give you opinion and be so kind to express your vote below as keep or move.--Mariordo (talk) 03:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As per Wiki rules, and because in five days there were no other opinions, the article is too long now, so I will move the list of Ford FFVs to a separate article, called List of flexible-fuel vehicles by car manufacturer, so to allow from other manufactures to be included. To begin with I will add the Volvo models so the list has some other than just Ford models. The list of models by country/regional markets will stay here. I will deleted some pictures to adjust the layout.--Mariordo (talk) 15:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Creating a separate list for Ford FFVs

message: I do not believe this article adequately covers information on CNG and LPG duel-fuel vehicles. While ethanol is very well covered, LPG and CNG are not. In Australia and South Korea, and to a lesser degree in New Zealand, China, and Japan, LPG is widely used, either as a stand-alone fuel or as a dual fuel with petrol (up to E10). I do not know a real lot about CNG so I will not make any comment, but I feel that both fuels are underrepresented. Considering this is a good article, this should not be the case. Good job on an otherwise great article. OSX (talk • contributions) 04:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * Thanks for the explaination. I must admit I originally skipped over the lead section, jumping straight to the body. To make it clearer I have made these edits to the article. OSX (talk • contributions) 04:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  LPG and CNG 

message: Isn't this number wrong? :
Share of flex-fuel vehicles as % of total registered 	**15.7%** 	4.1% 	3.3% 	Brazil's fleet is 56 mi (May 2009)
to me the calc is 10.6 mi divided by 56 mi, that would be smth around 20% instead of 15.7  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.21.7.178 (talk) 19:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not ~20%, because you took the flex fleet for mid 2010 (10.6) and divided by total fleet by 2009 (56). Throughout the article note that some stats are for 2009 while others are for 2010, but I will update the figures this weekend to make them as consistent as the available info allows.-Mariordo (talk) 23:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! -Mariordo (talk) 23:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  % doubt 

message: Hi Mariordo, I guess you are aware that this article is far too long. I would have thought that some trimming and use of WP:Summary style could help. regards, Johnfos (talk) 23:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, indeed. One option would be to split it in several articles by country, in particular Flexible-fuel vehicles in Brazil andFlexible-fuel vehicles in the United States, which are the two main countries with flex-fuels, and just leave a short summary for these two countries. Also, the list in the end could actually be deleted since there is already an article List of flexible-fuel vehicles by car manufacturer which has almost the same content, only organized differently. What do you think? (I could do the splitting).-Mariordo (talk) 00:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good! I think it would be great if you could split and trim the article in this way. Johnfos (talk) 00:51, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try do it during the weekend. Keep the good work, the portal is awesome.-Mariordo (talk) 00:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is too long

message: I propose that this article be moved to Flex-fuel vehicle, as that is the term most often used. "Flexible-fuel vehicle" gets about 1.68M hits on Google, whereas "Flex-fuel vehicle" gets 1.70M hits. Thoughts? – voidxor (talk | contrib) 06:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move to Flex-fuel vehicle 

message: The good-faith reversion at  restored a factual error to the article. Unfortunately, from what the edit summary says, it sounds like the WP:RSs themselves contain the factual error. I don't have time to thoroughly investigate and straighten out this problem anytime soon. What I do suggest in the meantime is to not include the factual error at all in this article, rather than include it with a citation of where it comes from. — ¾-10 16:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, because it was bugging me, I just spent some time checking into it. The "first commercial flex-fuel vehicle" claim did not have a ref citation on it in either of the places where it appears in this article. In the History section, of the 3 sources cited in the following sentence after that claim, none of the 3 says anything about that claim. Under standard Wikipedia guidelines, statements challenged for their factual accuracy that do not have citations may be removed pending a supporting citation. Furthermore, the aforementioned edit summary said something about original research, but the general history of multifuel machinery that my edit referred to has nothing to do with original research; it's not research at all, it's well-known background info among people who follow the history of boilers and internal combustion engines of the 19th through mid-20th centuries. I'm going to edit further, per these points. — ¾-10 16:35, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if you are right, using google the way you did it is blatant original investigation, it is based on your research, and here, you have to support your edits with reliable sources. Check WP:OR. This is a GA, and that part should go until you find a RS to support your claim. The edit about the "first" I will not argue, I am fine the way you edited it. So please, just follow the policies, you look like an experience user, so find a source.--Mariordo (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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