Talk:Monterey Park, California

message: Has anyone noticed that Monterey Park is undergoing decline? Abandoned Chinese stores, fewer new Chinese restaurants being opened anymore, grassy lots undeveloped.  In the 1980s, it used to be active into the night.  Theories?
Well, consider these excerpts from the current article:
* By the late 1980s, however, immigrants from Mainland China and Vietnam have moved into Monterey Park as well.
* Since early 1990s, the Taiwanese have been no longer dominant in the city and Cantonese Chinese is now widely spoken and heard in most Chinese businesses of Monterey Park. The construction boom of shopping centers has declined. ... Furthermore, most established, wealthy Taiwanese immigrants have since relocated out of Monterey Park and northward on to wealthier suburbs of San Marino, Arcadia, Temple City, South Pasadena and eastward to Rowland Heights (called the "new Little Taipei" by a local Chinese-language newspaper), Diamond Bar, Hacienda Heights, and Walnut with many Chinese-speaking businesses started in those suburbs to accommodate this particular movement. Nevertheless, there are still countless Chinese-oriented businesses in Monterey Park.
* Interestingly, as the activity of Taiwanese immigrant activity shifted to San Gabriel, Arcadia and Rowland Heights in the 1980s and 1990s, very few trendy Taiwanese restaurants have opened in Monterey Park.
So one feasible explanation would be that immigrants from Mainland China and Vietnam are somehow causing the Taiwanese (who put the "Taipei" in "little Taipei") to leave Monterey Park and take their businesses with them.
I would have to challenge the feasibility of that argument. The Taiwanese are hardly the only business-oriented Chinese group, and as made evident by Valley Boulevard in neighboring Alhambra. The business opportunities proffered by more recent Hong Kong, Mainland China and Southeast Asian immigrants seem more than adequate to fill Valley Blvd with banks and a variety of other businesses. Your assertion, that somehow "immigrants from Mainland China and Vietnam" are causing Taiwanese to leave Monterey Park is little more than a suggestion that such immigrants are driving Taiwanese away. Any such movement would be a result of possibly biased views of those who are moving out of Monterey Park in the first place, and in any case Wikipedia is hardly the place to be promoting a cultural group. Please refrain.
April.s 06:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have been pondering your "racist" comment. Since everyone referred to is Asian, how could that be racist? There IS a sociological shift in M.P.  BTW, I really believe almost nothing is impossible ;-)  Shalom! DocOfSoc (talk) 14:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Conflict between Chinese immigrants and Japanese Americans are known to occurred in the San Gabriel Valley of the Los Angeles area in the 1980s. Then came the Taiwanese and Koreans, and now the current movement of Vietnamese and mainland Chinese into Monterey Park. It's part of the ever-growing, changing and present Asian-American influence of the San Gabriel valley including Montebello and Covina to some extent. 71.102.12.48 (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: In decline?

message: I think the history isn't accurate.
In the 1970s to the mid 1980s, Chinese were still a minority.  The city was a three way split between ethnic whites, Asians, and Mexican Americans.  The Asians were of all ethnicities, with large Japanese and Cantonese speaking (or not) Chinese populations, often not immigrant.  In the 1980s, there was an influx of Chinese immigrants, and many were from Hong Kong, and Cantonese was commonly spoken.  Also, there were many ethnic Chinese from other countries besides Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Another thing that's not really recognized in the article is that older generations of Chinese Americans really paved the way for the new immigrants to come over, and this older generation were largely from Canton.  As I remember it, the people I knew who were Chinese largely spoke some Cantonese, and sometimes one other Chinese language.
Also, it would be good to note that the interracial conflicts of the mid 1980s eventually led to launching the political careers of Judy Chu, and later, Mike Eng, who both worked to resolve the conflicts between immigrants and natives.
The sign issue was an effort to eliminate Chinese from signs.  The compromise reached was to add English to signs, so they would be bilingual.  That's why signs in Monterey Park have English, while signs in Los Angeles might be only in Spanish, Korean, or another language, without an English translation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.59.96.65 (talk) 02:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will be glad to correct any inaccuracies in the history. If you will provide reliable sources, I will change or integrate the information you have outlined.  I am more familiar with the Monterey Park of the '60's, but that is personal information and I have yet had the time to research. Any assistance is welcomed. DocOfSoc (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: "locus"
The word locus (plural loci) is Latin for "place" or location. 
They switched locations, not their business focus.  TY for your efforts. Happy Editing!   Shalom DocOfSoc (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locus 

message: I  am having some difficulty finding cites that are not mirror  images directly out of WP. I will continue the search but so far have found just one, which simply won't do for WP standards is my understanding. The City of Monterey Park seems to be also doing some WP imaging,  but is a good source, yes/no? Any assistance would be appreciated.  Shalom DocOfSoc (talk) 00:28, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: seems to be a relatively good source for the entire block of Asian influenced cities I am researching]  DocOfSoc (talk) 00:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  DocOfSoc (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been in Wikipedia since April 2008 and you STILL don't get some basic editing concepts?  What is it about WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:PSTS you're having a hard time understanding? Struck as banned editor. --CrohnieGalTalk 10:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What I wonder is why an IP editor who is using a cell phone to edit here for the very first time through that IP and through Verizon Wireless, would know enough to comment on how long that editor has been active here, spout off about no original research, verifiability and repeat things a second time from NOR, as if this anonymous and new editor had been on DocofSoc's tail before or why the IP would even care enough to hunt that out, and make personal attacks on someone whom a noted and indefinitely banned editor harassed and hounded from day one? Smells like dirty socks, yeah? Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

text: please - stop commenting on editors, and keep your comments focused on edits and content. Commenting on editors is not productive, commenting on content and edits is. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:24, 15 February 2010 DocOfSoc (talk) 23:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL!  What a bunch of idiots.  And Doc of Soc, if you think your new "friends" are paying attnetion to you because they think you're a good editor you're fooling yourself.  Wake up and realize they are just using you.  Like I said, complete  idiots.   LOL!  <|8~P  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.51.52.120 (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Like I said, complete idiots (and you're the biggest idiot of all of them, redhead). <|8~P  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.196.192.33 (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Please don't correspond with her.  She is not to be editing here per her ban.  Please just either remove it, preferred, or strike it.  When an editor is banned you are allowed to remove their edits immediately, I suggest this be used here.  Conversations is apparently giving her a warped sense of fun with all the attacks above.  I struck through this time because of the discussion that went on.  Thanks, if you have any questions don't hesitate.  --CrohnieGalTalk 10:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New citations 

message: famouschinese.com, the montereypark wiki, and other "citations" here are reflexive and not independent sourcesSkookum1 (talk) 04:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: also reference.com which is heavily used, among other wiki-clones.  Legitimate citations from Asian Week and P. Fong's book are scattered through teh narrative; but I'm of a mind that the whole so-callec Chinatown section should be deleted (and NB one author labelling this "Chinatown" does not make it one).Skookum1 (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok the two of you got off to a bad start at a different article.  Let's not start it here too.  Why don't the two of you start over again and stop the attacks?  I think assuming good faith is needed now by both of you.  Please calm down and go do something different for awhile.  Thanks, --CrohnieGalTalk 11:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: lots of wiki-clone citations (too many)

message: *The History of the First Suburban Chinatown
*History of Asians in the San Gabriel Valley
*Race and Politics: Asian Americans, Latinos, and Whites in a Los Angeles Suburb (Asian American Experience) [Paperback]
*The Politics of Diversity Immigration, Resistance, and Change in Monterey Park, California,  John Horton, 
*Asian Americans: Contemporary Trends and Issues [Paperback]
Dr. Pyong Gap Min (Editor)http://www.amazon.com/Asian-Americans-Contemporary-Trends-Issues/[http://www.amazon.com/Asian-Americans-Contemporary-Trends-Issues/dp/1412905567/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288213913&sr=1-9]
*Envisioning America: New Chinese Americans and the Politics of Belonging (Asian America) [Paperback] Tritia Toyota (Author)
*Bridging the Centuries: History of Chinese Americans in Southern California [Hardcover]  Susie Ling (Author)
Susie Ling is an associate professor of Asian American studies at Pasadena City College.
[] Consensus! DocOfSoc (talk) 20:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the fact that probably only one of those books reference anything close to a "suburban Chinatown", you've repeated similar things over and over again on various talk pages and AFDs. Other than giving me a "suggested reading" list which doesn't convince me of anything, you'll have to prove that "suburban Chinatown" is a commonly used and notable term, and not some neologism you picked up from one page in a book. I could care less whether or not the author of that last book is an associate professor at a community college. WP:RS/AC, WP:REDFLAG and WP:SYNTH are just a few guidelines that your claims do not meet. …Grayshi talk ■ my contribs 02:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested reading

message: This discussion does not belong on this page.
:::And your  resources Are? Haven't seen one yet. And please stop with the Wikipedia stuff already, I have already read them all and you are full of ****( pick-a-nice-word)!   I am so not impressed with your baloney directed at me.  "Probably" means you didn't bother to check... Perhaps you missed the part wherein, Wik'si main stance/Pillar/rule is respect one another.  You came out with guns blazing. And why did you cruise over to Monterey Park.? This article was just  beyond a good  stubby starter article, until I rewrote it last August ... As a retired prof, I am throwing you out of my class for disrespect  LOL 
====asssigned reading====
You have in no way attempted to, or proved your "null hypotheisis".
In statistical hypothesis testing two hypotheses are compared, which are called the null hypothesis and the alternative hypothesis. The null hypothesis is the hypothesis that states that there is no relation between the phenomena whose relation is under investigation, or at least not of the form given by the alternative hypothesis. The alternative hypothesis, as the name suggests, is the alternative to the null hypothesis: it states that there is some kind of relation. The alternative hypothesis may take several forms, depending on the nature of the hypothesized relation; in particular, it can be two-sided (for example: there is some effect, in a yet unknown direction) or one-sided (the direction of the hypothesized relation, positive or negative, is fixed in advance).DocOfSoc (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a respected NATIONAL award. DocOfSoc (talk) 21:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tired of this now

message: You have in no way attempted to, or proved your "null hypotheisis".
In statistical hypothesis testing two hypotheses are compared, which are called the null hypothesis and the alternative hypothesis. The null hypothesis is the hypothesis that states that there is no relation between the phenomena whose relation is under investigation, or at least not of the form given by the alternative hypothesis. The alternative hypothesis, as the name suggests, is the alternative to the null hypothesis: it states that there is some kind of relation. The alternative hypothesis may take several forms, depending on the nature of the hypothesized relation; in particular, it can be two-sided (for example: there is some effect, in a yet unknown direction) or one-sided (the direction of the hypothesized relation, positive or negative, is fixed in advance).DocOfSoc (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a respected NATIONAL award. DocOfSoc (talk) 21:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: asssigned reading

message: Hi Ya! I really enjoyed this resource. Please peruse. []History of Asians in the San Gabriel Valley.  A historical overview of one of America's "most Asian" regions by Susie Ling PhD. DocOfSoc (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburban Chinatown II 

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message: The elected officials have changed due to their usual 9 1/2 month rotation. Would someone consider updating that section? New lineup is: Peter Chan, Mayor; Mitchell Ing, Mayor Pro Tem; Teresa Real Sebastian, Council Member; Stephen Lam, Council Member
Hans Liang, Council Member; Vincent D. Chang, City Clerk; Joseph Leon, City Treasurer. Thanks. Cityofmpk-rishino (talk) 14:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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