Talk:Millennium Stadium

message: Crowd of 75,100 was present (BBC) for Wales v Scotland, Rugby Union, Six Nations, 10 February 2008. Just wondering how that's possible if the capacity is 74,500. BBC did say it was the biggest crowd ever there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.129.218.91 (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They have recently added extra seating, although I do not believe it is permanent, and so is not taken into account in the official capacity. Nouse4aname (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: I removed "Cardiff Arms Park" from the "former names" section of the info box. The stadium has only ever been called the Millennium Stadium. It was built to replace the old "National Stadium", which was never (officially) called the Arms Park (although unofficially, and incorrectly, many people did refer to the old stadium as the Arms Park). The Arms Park refers to the area of land on which the two stadia are built (Millennium Stadium and the Cardiff RFC Ground). The Cardiff RFC/Cardiff Blues Ground is the stadium that is actually known as the Arms Park. Nouse4aname 14:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Millennium Stadium/Arms Park/National Stadium

message: The Millennium Stadium Was Third Largest Stadium in the United Kingdom When Redevelopment of Twickenham Was complete on 5th November 2006, And Wembley Stadium Was completed on The 9th March 2007 so it is the fourth Largest Stadium. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.21.231.38 (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Millennium Stadium is Smaller Than Twickenham

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message: I have added this section to the article but I am unsure that the title is suitable. Any suggestions?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wacky WeLsH LaD (talk • contribs) 15:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: I've just reverted an edit which renamed the stadium the "Principality Stadium", since the new sponsorship deal isn't taking effect until January 2016. Can we please desist from changing the article until it can be properly updated at the proper time (except maybe for noting that the renaming is to take place), including giving an official Welsh translation of the name (Stadiwm y Tywysogaeth perhaps?). -- Arwel Parry (talk) 17:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I already requested that the page be 'move protected' at WP:RFPP, but the request was declined. Btw, I doubt that "Principality" would be translated in the Welsh version since it's the name of a company, hence the translation would be "Stadiwm Principality". – PeeJay 18:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh! Horrible name. Yes, I've noticed in the past on adverts on S4C they call the building society "Principality" even in Welsh adverts. All the more reason to wait until they officially announce what the name will be! -- Arwel Parry (talk) 21:24, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted edits with Principality Stadium - the stadium will not be renamed as the "Principality Stadium" until 1 January 2016.SethWhales talk   23:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And even then, it's only a temporary name for the duration of the sponsorship deal. Per conventions in other sports, there's no reason to move this article even after 1 January. – PeeJay 16:40, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've just made a null edit on the redirect Principality Stadium to prevent anyone moving the article to that title without going through RM, as experience suggests a move war is inevitable. Number 57 20:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

text: It's a 10-year naming rights agreement. I don't really understand the paranoia. Sionk (talk) 20:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sionk. However it is interesting that the name "Millennium Stadium" was itself a deal between the Welsh Rugby Union and the Millennium Commission...see this article "The Millennium Commission's contribution to the building of a new national stadium was recognised in its original naming..." Therefore the stadium doesn't have a non-sponsorship name, so I see no problem in renaming the whole article from "Millennium Stadium" to "Principality Stadium". SethWhales talk   00:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the stadium is still owned by a company called Millennium Stadium plc, and when the Principality naming deal ends, the stadium will revert to being the Millennium Stadium (unless another naming deal is entered into). – PeeJay 09:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I won't lose sleep if the article remains under "Millennium Stadium" for now. I'm sure many people will continue to refer to it by its old name (similarly to the nearby Cardiff International Arena, which has a 5-year naming agreement with Motorpoint). But the 'controversy' above seems nothing more than a desire to keep the article name the same until the official rebranding (which has now taken place). Its new name is literally up in lights, bilingually too. A ten-year agreement certainly isn't temporary, by most people's definition of the word. The name will quickly become familiar, I'm sure - it has been signposted in the news for months and is used in the publicity/timetable for the Six Nations Championship. Sionk (talk) 09:40, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm actually pretty sure most people would define 10 years as temporary. It's not permanent, after all; there's a defined end point to the sponsorship by Principality (barring any extension), which is the very definition of temporary. – PeeJay 13:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I should have expected pedantry on Wikipedia :) Instead I will say 10 years is not short term. And as you suggest, the sponsorship may be extended so the period is at least ten years. Many "Millennium" epithets are being changed as the turn of the century becomes a more distant memory. It would be bizarre if the name reverted back after the current naming deal ends. Sionk (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

text: I just closed that as a malformed (misplaced) request. I'm thinking that changes in sponsored stadium names should generally be not be controversial, and take effect concurrently with the official name change (when the naming contract takes effect), but given the lengthy discussion above, opening a new requested move section immediately below this section might be advised. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:09, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be controversial given that we usually avoid sponsored names where a common alternative exists (e.g. City of Manchester Stadium, Dean Court, Falmer Stadium, Pride Park and so on). Number 57 14:33, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. It seems that UK stadium naming conventions vary a bit from American stadium naming conventions in this regard. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

text: *The opposition seems very minor (a Facebook campaign), so it's questionably important but maybe worth a mention. The issue about Principality/Country is irrelevant and a synthesis of two separate events to construct an argument. Mind you I think the section could be expanded slightly to say when the name change was announced, with a mention of the initial reaction. Sionk (talk) 11:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: Why is the name of this article not "Principality Stadium"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Have been wondering the same thing! That's the official name on the website after all. Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be renamed in honour of an epic and historic Six Nations Grand Slam victory! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes congratulations!! I think that stadium must be cursed (for the away teams) because England played like amateurs a couple of weeks ago and Ireland weren't much better today. As for the article, I'd just go ahead and rename it Martin. I don't think you'll get any opposition. Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it only polite to wait for at least 80 minutes or so  while a certain team tries to win the consolation prize. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Wow, they couldn't actually manage that. But any objections to name change here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not opposed to the article name changing but I think the reason why the article name wasn't immediately changed was probably because the common name for the stadium is still "Millennium Stadium" among locals and maybe others, even though the official name is now "Principality Stadium", because I do recall the official name for the Trafford Centre in Greater Manchester is "intu Trafford Centre" but because the common name is "Trafford Centre", it was decided after a discussion there that the article name should remain as it is as per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. However, as I don't live in Wales or Cardiff, I don't fully know if the same principle applies here so if people support the change, I'm not opposed to it. Broman178 (talk) 11:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a sort of unofficial policy on Wikipedia, at least on this side of the Atlantic, that we shouldn't use sponsored stadium names in cases where unsponsored names exist. We use Murrayfield Stadium, not BT Murrayfield; we use City of Manchester Stadium, not Etihad Stadium. The reason is because sponsored names are by definition transitory; while some have entered the public consciousness, especially in the case of more recent stadiums, the traditional name is usually the common name, and we should use that name as the article title. The same applies here. – PeeJay 12:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Are you sure that receiving funding from the Millennium Commission is akin to sponsorship? By that argument, you could say that the Millennium Dome is a sponsored name, which I'm not sure is the case. – PeeJay 13:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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