Talk:E-Science

message: Please link the John Taylor on this page to the correct figure from the John Taylor disambiguation page, or create a new article for him, or unlink the name.  Thank you! — Catherine\talk 14:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Another John Taylor for your collection :) -PdDemeter 15:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: Do we think that the cyberinfrastructure information on this page should be moved to the Cyberinfrastructure wiki page? This way we can limit the amount of cross-listed information on the same topic. Either this, or maybe since these are two terms reflecting similar/the same concepts, should these be folded together and redirected?  — Stephaniebeth (talk • contribs) 22:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not merge them? We are supposed to have articles based on topics not based on terminology. That is, if two different English-speaking countries have different terms for the same thing, (essentially trendy buzzwords to get funding) a unified article on the topic makes more sense that two of them. W Nowicki (talk) 23:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

text: It seems Buridan (talk) just removed the merge tag. Please do not do this, but discuss your reasoning so we can reach a consensus. Thanks. To mention precedent: there is one article on gasoline even though man English speakers refer to it as petrol (not separate articles). There is one article on mains electricity even though that term is not used in the US. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so articles are not based on words but ideas. W Nowicki (talk) 18:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

text: A little more investigation: I found notable quote from Tony Hey who ran the UK program that "It just happens that in the US they chose another name. Personally, I think e-Science is a much better name than cyberinfrastructure." Which is why I would merge into here instead of the other way 'round. On the other hand, a good explanation is that the "infrastructure" is the stuff, and e-Science is the work done on it. Still might result in one higher-quality article instead of two. W Nowicki (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Merge tag was again removed without giving an explanation here. As per Wikipedia:Merging, please discuss here first. I think a relevant guideline is the one on Wikipedia:Content forking. One article per topic vs. two points of view on essentially the same idea. Another applicable guideline is Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary where the specific petrol/gasoline example is given. I find more example of using cyberinfrastructure by the US NSF, but even other US sources use e-Science. But if there is an argument to keep them apart, and more than a stub would result for both, that would be fine too. W Nowicki (talk) 23:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry didn't see this discussion, still there is no need to merge this with cyberinfrastructure because cyberinfrastructure refers to things, and e-science refers to practices.  different concepts, different things.  --Buridan (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cyberinfrastructure studies do actually include in the conversation the social, organizational and political components interwoven with the computational components. The NSF Blue Ribbon 2003 "Atkins" report for example  describes cyberinfrastructure as the enabling hardware, algorithms, communications, software, institutions and personnel that operate the computation, communication and storage, not simply technological configurations. Stephaniebeth (talk) 23:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Well yes, I suppose they are not exactly synonyms like gasoline. However, the question remains if they are spearately notable enough to have two encyclopedic articles on them? A better example might be, say, electrical engineering and electrical engineer. One is a field of study, the other is a profession (people in that field). There is one single article for both. I do not have strong feelings so will go with consensus, although would be nice to have a third opinion. W Nowicki (talk) 23:17, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

text: sure, they are different enough.  the categories we are talking about are not like the two you mentioned at all.   the relationship is closer to [science] and [technology]  which are clearly different things on many levels.  yet, even there many people put them together as one, but it is a marriage less of analytical validity than of history, here we don't have the history.  --Buridan (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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