Talk:Ahmad Kasravi

message: Well, actually he couldn't show that azeris are persians, the strongest reason that he provided was 4 small villages with turkish names that were located around "khalkhal" that were using the "talish" language. he had nothing to do with even smaller cities in azerbaijan, and as some people know almost at the end of his life he changes his mind about azerbaijan that they couldn't be persians, nor indo-europeans, which we can see at this time what genetic and new historical founds shows.
:He didn’t say Azeris are Persians. He shows that Azeris have Iranian origin like Persians
::The commentator is correct. He based his proof on his research in an Iranian dialect samples of which he found among the Safavids and which survived in some villages in Azerbaijan. He did not, however, make any argument about whether the Azerbaijanis were "pure" Iranians or "pure" Turks. Such a view was foreign to him at the time he wrote that article.130.156.7.7 15:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 130.156.7.7,23 August 2006; are you Evan Siegel or you are quoting from him? Kiumars
kasravi based his information about language not only on information from some persian dialect island [like  khaghazkanan in khalkhal] but also from name of cities in the region and also from travel guide who have wrote by some moslem geographist who passed from region and had mentioned  about strange persian dialect  in region[may be pahlavi],he has also evaluated the poets of ancestors of safavids which is in persian,i think that bias is dangerous and even destructive in history,it is true that the language of region is a turkish dialect now ,but  in previous centuries for a long time persian was the main language espesially in south of aras river,but even during diplomatic relations of safavid and ottoman the letters from both countries was  both in persian and turkish.As richard nelson frye has been said:irano turkish world has cultural exchange from old time.Spitman 20:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Azeri Language

message: The article says that there was a fatwah by "Ayatollah as-Sadr" authorising the killing of Kasravi.  Which Ayatollah as-Sadr was this?  There were rather a lot of them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.195 (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ayatollah as-Sadr

message: "Initially, Kasravi enrolled in a seminary." This misses the point. Basically, his father got him to enroll. It was not an autonomous decision. Rather, he did it with reluctance.
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joined a seminary? 

message: "Later, he joined the Persian Constitutional Revolution."
Well, not according to his memoirs or his history of the period. All he reports is that he developed a strong sympathy for the constitutional cause.
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joined the Persian Constitutional Revolution? 

message: "He experienced a sort of conversion to Western learning when he learned that the comet of 1910 had been identified as a reappearance of Halley's comet."
This is unsourced. A reference to it appears in Kasravi's memoirs.
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halley's Comet 

message: "Thenceforward he became, in Roy Mottahedeh's words, "a true anticleric.""
Where's the source? Mantle of the Prophet, I guess...
I'm not so sure that this is true, in any case. He had enemies among the clergy before this and friends among them after...
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoth Roy 

message: "It was in Tbilisi where he first became acquainted with a wide spectrum of political ideas and movements, and he soon was employed by the government of Iran in various cultural posts."
Travel is broadening, but the only thing Kasravi relates in this regard is his meeting with a friend of the editor of Molla Nasroddin and a lengthy discussion in which they find they agree on a sort of intellectual pan-Islamic reform (my inference).
The fusion of what should be two separate sentences gives the impression of cause and effect. This is, of course, false.
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiflis 

message: "He had liberal views on religion, was a strong supporter of democracy"
This is too vague to be of any use. What was liberal about his views. And... were they indeed liberal in any case. Kasravi's views on religion evolved during his life.
Kasravi was for democracy when the people were ready for it. First, though, they would have to submit to a totalitarian period of preparation in which all their disparate beliefs would be fused into, well, I surmise into Kasravi's belief system. The actual content of this prescription varied little in the course of Kasravi's political maturity (from the early thirties, onward).
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  liberal? 

message: "What Is the Religion of the Hajis with Warehouses"
There's nothing wrong with warehouses. I have a warehouse. Kasravi no doubt had a warehouse.
The point was that the hajjis were hoarders. 
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hajjis with Warehouses 

message: "cannot claim the full authority of a contemporary witness that his writing at times suggests."
Has the author even read Kasravi's History? There is very little first-hand witness in it. Almost all of it is based on written documents and interviews with participants. I can't imagine how the author of this entry believes that it somehow "claim[s] the full authority of a contemporary witness".
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  contemporary witness? 

message: History of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution
(Evan Siegel (talk) 04:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Constitutional History of Iran  

message: Pakdini, Pakzaban, the journals he launched and edited, his policy towards towards the military, towards Reza Shah, towards Mohammad Reza Shah, ...  
(Evan Siegel (talk) 05:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing topics... 

message: Hello, I read Kasravi's wikipage and found that the content does not shed enough light on his works so I added the following content. 
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The controversy around Kasavi's arguments and his assasination could not have escaped the thirteen year old, inquisitive Ali Shari'ati. It could be justifiably argued that both Mohammad Taqi (Ali Shariati's father) and Ali Shari'ati were sensitive to and influenced by Kasravi's criticisms denunciation of Shi'i excesses and the clerical institution. During his stay in Paris, Ali Shari'ati sent home a list of books he needed in preparation for a lecture on 'New Islamic Currents in Iran'. Among the works requested were those of Bazargan, Motahhari, Tabataba'i, Sa'idi, Shari'at-e Sanglaji, and Kasravi. On this list, only Kasravi's name was underlined.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kasravi  

message: Ahmad Kasravi is an important figure in contemporary Iranian history. I will try to improve his article.Amirhosein Izadi (talk) 04:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmad Kasravi deserves a good article