Talk:Bar Refaeli

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message: Can someone find a better picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.209.139 (talk • contribs) 08:36, 22 February 2008
:I believe a newer picture would be more appropriate.  We shall find an interesting one shortly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abiramis (talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop removing the pictures. If it's free, Wikipedia can use it. мirаgeinred سَراب ٭  (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

text: May I suggest using a picture of where she is not 18 years old but 24? The picture of the IMDB for example? It's been a year since someone else last requested this (see above) and it's still the same picture. 21:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The photos on IMDb are likely not under free use licenses, so they're not usable here.  I'm no photo guru though so I won't go into what there is to do about this.  But on the bright side, the current pic (which I've always had doubts about in terms of whether it really is free-use, as it looks like a professional headshot) is a whole lot better than what some other articles have (and have had for a long time).   Mbinebri  talk ← 00:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: Refaeli's draft evasion story is a rather prominent issue in the Hebrew version of her entry. Shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the English version? Or is it only relevant to the Israeli crowd who read the Hebrew version? 89.138.134.254 (talk) 16:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you read Tax avoidance and tax evasion to improve your dictionary on the difference between avoidance and evasion before you risk libel a living person. -62.219.97.118 (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Considering that this issue was covered by notable sources and that Bar was interviewed on the issue, it has enough encyclopedic merit for inclusion in the article. And using the word "evade" can hardly be construed as libel. Mbinebri (talk) 14:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's too bad you ignore the aforementioned article. I'd say casually claiming a (living) person is a criminal is pretty much the defintion of libel, both in general and according to Wikipedia's rules. -79.179.38.153 (talk) 11:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The draft issue content in the personal life section is worded carefully to maintain a neutral POV and cited using articles from Israel's most widely-read newspaper; there is nothing casual about it and no claim that Refaeli did anything illegal is made.  Furthermore, Wiki's libel policy hinges on defamation, which requires the claim to be false.  If you don't like that the section contains info that can be construed as negative, I'll direct you to Wiki's BLP policy that If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article — even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it.  The content in question meets these criteria and the section as a whole has had several contributors, none of whom has raised any concerns of breached policy.   Mbinebri  talk ← 16:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What are we discussing here? From what I can tell, no one has suggested here we remove the section on the draft controversy. You are just assuming that for no apparent reason. One or two anons (not sure if the anons above are the same person) have objected to referring to her actions as draft evasion as this is potentially libellious as under some definitions it implies her actions were illegal and she is therefore a criminal, with the (first?) anon going as far as to provide a link which explained why. The term 'draft avoidance', which does not, would be preferred. As it stands now, we don't use either term in the article so that is fine as well so this isn't a discussion about the article as it stands. And I would concur with the anons that using the term draft evasion would likely violate our BLP policy based on the potential criminal connotations regardless of whether or not it is libellious (note that BLP requires us to go beyond simply avoiding libel). Note that sourcing is an important issue here. Even if one or two sources use the term draft evasion or similar, we would need sources which suggest she actually broke the law, since anything else may just be inaccurate or differential use of terminology. This is particularly important in a BLP where as you have already conceded, something has to be well sourced so it is simply unacceptable to imply someone was a criminal, when the source may not have meant to imply that but instead was just using terms loosely or did not appreciate the potential implication (or simply didn't care). Also, while we tend to hold lesser standards on talk pages, it is still important they comply with BLP so suggesting she was involved in draft evasion in this talk page or any other wikipedia page (whether about her or anyone else whether Israeli, American, Iranian, South Korean, North Korean or whatever) is not really any more acceptable and it would be nice if you could drop the term, as you have been asked by one or two anons already and I am now asking you to do as well. The reason BTW if your still confused was provided to you nearly a year ago and I've provided it earlier on and if you're still confused, saying she was involved in draft evasion has the implication in some areas of implying that what she did was a criminal act and therefore should not be used in a BLP including talk pages unless your absolutely sure that the term is applicable, e.g. the person was tried and convinced). And just for completeness sake, let me also repeat yet again that the term 'draft avoidance' which it seems to me conveys all that is necessary to convey in this circumstance does not carry the criminal connotations and therefore is a much better term to use if you have to use something. Incidentally your somewhat irrelevant diatribe doesn't seem to address this any of this at all and instead mostly discusses issues no one else seemed interested in discussing, I don't know whether you didn't read what was written or decided to ignore it or whatever but let me repeat the key point no one has suggested we remove the section in this discussion. Unfortunately the unacceptable terminology was there when the second? anon raised the point  and I'm guessing it was there since before the first? anon raised the point so goodness knows how long this BLP violating term was used despite two? users pointing out it was unacceptable simply because you for whatever reason choose to ignore the simple message mentioning the term was unacceptable with a link explaining why. Now if you genuinely still feel that there is merit to call her actions 'draft evasion' in the article or in the talk page, then I suggest we take this to WP:BLP/N. If not, then I suggest we let this issue drop since as I've stated, the only thing you seem to keep repeating is that the current section should not be removed even though no one has suggested we remove it in this discussion. P.S. Draft dodger is probably a better article re: this issue then Tax avoidance and tax evasion although I think either is enough to establish that calling it draft 'evasion' should be avoided whenever possible  Nil Einne (talk) 13:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: Article does not mention that Bar Refaeli's mother Tsipi manages her daughter's career, that she was a former Israeli model and actress herself, and her experience played a major role in furthering Bar's career.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.67.69 (talk) 10:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: I'm kind of surprised to find the article didn't contain a "Personal Life" section, considering that the majority of the press Bar gets is about her relationships (which makes it relevant to the article), so I added it. As with the "Controversy" section, everything is cited and uses a neutral POV, so hopefully there won't be any bickering as happens in other model threads when it gets into their personal lives. Mbinebri (talk) 16:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a forum for you to state your "facts". Anyway, her personal life is now covered as a neutral section. -79.179.38.153 (talk) 11:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't see how I'm using Wiki as a forum or how I'm asserting things to be facts when they're not.  And the personal life section has been neutral for a long time now.  I have to say though, between this and the draft issue section, you seem to be taking a rather unnecessarily hostile approach to this.   Mbinebri  talk ← 16:51, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: It seems to me that some of the info in the article is irrelevant (or given too much emphasis) for an encyclopedic entry, such as who interviewed Bar for what magazine and that there were photos in the article. Listing what events Bar has attended seems pointless as well, nor do the examples given demonstrate philanthropy.  Unless someone strongly objects, I can go through and delete some things and streamline others so that the article might feel a little more balanced. Mbinebri (talk) 16:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Irrelevant Information?

message: I just realized that I spelled her last name as Rafaeli and did ctrl + F to fix my typos. However, it seems like legitimate newspapers such as Haaretz and Jerusalem Post also spell her surname as "Rafaeli." hmm мirаgeinred سَراب ٭  (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only sometimes.  The source of the confusion is that there is no difference in the Hebrew spelling between 'a' and 'e'. McKay (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. Thanks. мirаgeinred سَراب ٭  (talk) 23:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refaeli? Rafaeli? 

message: That cover photo looks as if she had a boob job. True? If so, she did not deserve to be there, and I don't care what anyone thinks about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.12.93 (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether she has implants or not, and your opinion on the matter, are not relevant issues to the article.   Mbinebri  talk ← 17:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In a biography of a model it is obvious a relevant issue.  But a reliable source is needed.  McKay (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Please read Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources: no WP:RS, no controversial claims about a living person's breasts :) Erik9 (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Though if you do wish to engage in original research about celebrities, there are many (far less reputable) websites willing to publish it. What we won't do is launder tabloid-type speculations and present them as encyclopedia articles about living people. Erik9 (talk) 04:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just wondering 

message: Just to explain further for my removal...  Saying this song has to be recognized in Bar's article because Gisele Bundchen has her own sub-section on a tribute song isn't a valid argument: the circumstances are nowhere near the same.  The Gisele song has two secondary sources in regards to it (which makes it notable), has been recognized by Gisele herself, is used on her website (which makes it relevant), and was recorded by a professional recording artist with individual hits on Brazilian news sites.  Whereas the band "Leo & The Kings" brings up no Google search results whatsoever besides hits to this Wiki page and a mirror site, so there is nothing to show this band is notable or that their song is.  Its inclusion in the article is simply an obvious attempt at promotion, especially considering its addition to the article is the only editing the IP user has done on Wikipedia.  If this doesn't end the matter, I'll be happy to take it to dispute resolution.   Mbinebri  talk ← 01:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: I reverted several edits that hurt the article more than helped it.  As I alluded to in my edit summary, the controversy regarding Refaeli's photo on a plane is not what she is most notable for, which is what the lead is reserved for.  That is just one news-worthy item of her career and it was more suitably placed where it was before.  The editor also changed several references into in-line external links.  If you want to change a ref to a new source, please keep read WP:CITE and keep it as a ref.  Other changes appeared to be superficial formatting changes (to paragraph breaks, for example).  A few other things were somewhat inexplicable, like adding "Official site" to the official site spot in the infobox when the infobox already clearly labels it as such, and also removing the "Jewish actors" category when Refaeli is verifiably an actor and I'm assuming Jewish.   Mbinebri  talk ← 17:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: Although there are sources claiming Bar was the first Israeli model to appear in the pages of SI swimsuit Issue, that's false - Michaela Bercu is the first Israeli model to appear in SI swimsuit Issue.--58.62.42.234 (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Israeli SI model?? 

message: Avaya believes that we have to have a headshot in the infobox rather than the shot that was previously there. I can't imagine this is dictated by policy, but because I don't feel like researching it, I'll assume for the sake of argument that some guideline prefers a headshot. But even if that's so, it can be overrided by consensus. The headshot is from eight years ago when she was 18. It's awful - for a model or for an actress. It has funny tones to it, and it makes her look like a schoolgirl. The other picture (now moved down - the two were swapped by Avaya) is from when she was about 22, it's elegant, it shows her head pointed toward the camera, and is quite decent to look at. So, we have a picture that is more recent and looks far better, and we're going to sacrifice that for a lousy picture just because it doesn't include all of her body (it's not just a headshot, btw)? I don't usually get involved in picture discussions because I generally don't care much one way or the other (unless it's a copyright issue), but this seems to be some sort of strict adhesion to a guideline when common sense should prevail. Anyway, I'll leave Avaya's preference in unless there's a consensus to override it.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, Bbb23.  I've always been under the impression it's better to use the more recent photo of a subject, as long as it's a good one, which I think the Cannes film festival photo is.   Mbinebri  talk ← 22:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, having a frontal headshot is preferable for an infobox, especially in the case of a model or actor. Having a frontal and professional one like we have here (taken without makeup) is surely the ideal for an encyclopedia. I don't understand the argument against, because we only have two images, and the Cannes photo is perfect for placement next to the film section. I think it makes the article look more professional having a Cannes photo next to the film subsection. As for recency, we are talking about two photos both of which are going to be in the article either way, and they're only four years apart.  Avaya1 (talk) 06:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the photo when she was 18 looks professional at all. It looks downright weird. Four years apart is a large difference for someone her age.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

text:  It's a studio photo. The angle of the camera's not completely straight on, but it's basically a professional headshot. I understand the recency argument, but I don't think the four years is significant (the photo in my passport is ten years old and it still identifies me), and the obvious choice is to use a headshot for the infobox and a Cannes photo for the film section (it illustrates her in relation to the film industry). I think the one problem is that the Cannes photo is pushing the Personal Life heading to the right - but I think we can fix that by expanding the film section. I think the image placement in the article is now really professional looking. Avaya1 (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which picture 

message: Not sure if she fits in with the rest of the Business people in fashion. Yes, she is in fashion, and yes that is her business, but the rest are mostly designers and executives. Does anyone have an objections?--NorthBond (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: Edcusez moi. Je me souez perdu. Je le veut ce merveille dans un defilee a Paris bercy y cest bonneven sa travaille. Tout a fait fini le show relised a press adress avec detail sur sa vie privee y, a cote de son mari, nois a dit de chose pas agradable sur armee israelienne et son refus de servir dans le meme. A formidable femme! Feltribamba (talk) 05:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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