Talk:Air Florida Flight 90

message: In reference to the Coast Guard Reservist comments 20 years later, I,  as a member of the 464th Medium Boat (LCM) Transportation Company in Alexandria,  also experienced the day to day recovery of the passengers, plane and personal belongings of the passengers. One of our LCM's was the main Vessel used by Navy divers to deliver the bodies of the pasengers to our vessel, we then had to identify, tag and tie around the chest a rope for shipment to shore. I do not
remember the Coast Guard having any responsibility of identifying the bodies. This was all done by our Army Reserve Unit. I remember seeing all frozen faces of all the passengers plus being handled the 2 week old baby from The Navy Divers on Super Bowl Sunday Morning to wrap in a blanket. Yes, the eyes of the baby were frozen with looked like tears coming from his face.
It does not seem like twenty-five years ago. I was working at the airport at the time and I can still remember the awful feeling when I heard about it. Later, I had the opportunity to visit the hangar where the aircraft remains were stored after the NTSB had gone over them. The one thing that forever remains in my mind are the tables filled with the personal effects. Little things like shoes or paperback books. I still see the children's toys lying there. After all these years I still choke up and start to weep. People who work in aviation should see these things. That's when the results of an air crash become very real and human.Phyllis1753 23:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 😢 Bucky winter soldier (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal recollections

message: :A total of 78 persons died in what was the worst accident in Washington, D.C. until the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Since the Pentagon is in Arlington, Virginia, the September 11 attacks technically did not happen in Washington, D.C.  You may want to rephrase the above sentence slightly. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 19:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at it now.  I reworded it to refer now to the whole metropolitan area vs. DC itself.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah but, close enough. Right? Bucky winter soldier (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Just as a matter of hair-splitting...

message: Does anyone think that this is worthwhile to incorporate?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011102220.html
This is from the January 12, 2007 edition of The Washington Post.  Could be worth something.  Thoughts?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Worthwhile to incorporate?

message: There is a message on the bio of Kelly Duncan that the article should be 'incorporated' into the article. I would disagree as other survivors have their own bio page. In addition, it is of interest to be a separate article, in that it provides an interview describing a personal reflection as to how life-changing the event was. 
Finally, other survivors and heroes have their own articles.Wayfarers43 (talk) 06:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw the notice as I was browsing by. I don't believe there is much reason to merge Kelly Duncan into this article, for the reasons you mention (the article is also decently structured with references - a welcome rarity for its type). Moreover, if we merged this one then we would have to do the same thing with the other people's articles. It was said that the article went against WP:ONEEVENT, and it does conceivably, but in this case it makes some sense to give each person their own article, particularly as many of them have received various awards and distinctions for their actions. Just my thoughts... The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 23:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with the above reasons. It just would not make sense to merge. Let's keep them separate; that's my 2 cents. Airplaneman (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kelly Duncan

message: I drove a van from Bolling AFB, with several security police officers on board.  We secured the landing area for the helicopter as well as other duties.  If I remeber correctly there was a subway accident as well and how we managed to get involved as DCPD was tied up with the subway incident.  I recall receiving a Humanitarian Servive Medal for our parcipation.  Why is ther n mention of the USAF involvement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iigeminii (talk • contribs) 22:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm yeah. If they were there, a mention of them should be included Bucky winter soldier (talk) 14:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: USAF Involvement

message: This article contains an unsourced statement that the aircraft attained a maximum altitude of 352 feet. However, the actual NTSB report, to which this article links, says the actual altitude could not be determined, but that modeling showed it was likely between 200 and 300 feet (pages 53-54).76.23.157.102 (talk) 09:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, go ahead and fix it, then.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy

message: The Weather Channel aired an episode of When Weather Changed History "Air Florida Crash" in which survivor Joe Stiley describes talking to the sixth survivor trapped in the tail wreckage.  The man said he was caught by debris.  Any further insight about how easily (or not) he could have been freed?  71.81.183.206 (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why the Sixth Passenger passed the rescue line

message: I feel that a bit more detail is needed to describe the crew's safety background and short time at the airline.  I have already entered more information and a citation for the Captain's training test failures and suspension, but feel the article requires a short but separate section that I am more than happy to write. Captjosh (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest Addition of Flight Crew Section

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thread_title: File:N62AF January 1982.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: We need better sourcing for :File:N62AF January 1982.jpg.  It is currently  on Commons, and so let's start digging so that we can get a solid source for this image to prevent it from being deleted.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need sourcing for an image 

message: It appears that he also received a Medal of Valour from the Parks Police.--Plad2 (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal of Valor

message: The Merge tag on this article dates from July 2008 and the "discussion" link goes nowhere.  I have posted a query about this at the Aviation Project Talk page--Plad2 (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Merge tag needs decision

message: seems is wrong name please check it31.27.213.176 (talk) 01:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Priscilla Tirado is her correct name, at least by my ear while watching the National Geographic episode covering this crash; perhaps the spelling is slightly different, but I doubt it. She was flying to Tampa with her husband and baby, both of whom died in the crash, to start a new life. I provided a citation to the episode as Chester Panzer was interviewed in it and discusses his video coverage from the Virginia shoreline. Boteman (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Washington Post confirms the spelling "Tirado": . TJRC (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Priscilla Tirado

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message: the article states in the infobox and beginning despite the fact of getting the numbers right in the events-of-crash-section:
Survivors 	14 (15 initially)
Fourteen passengers and one flight attendant survived and were rescued from the crash...Five motorists on the bridge were killed.
both are wrong. nearly every source reads 5 survivers from the plane and 4 killed motorists. I dont know who editet those numbers in, but whoever gave those faulty changes a pass, is the real one to blame here, right? especially when the RIGHT numbers are showing up later in the article:
    Four of the crew members (including both pilots) died.
    One crew member was seriously injured.[4]:10
    70 of the 74 passengers died.[4]:10
    19 occupants were believed to survive the impact, but their injuries 
    prevented them from   escaping.[4]:76
Of the motorists on the bridge involved:[4]:10
    4 sustained fatal injuries
    1 sustained serious injuries
    3 sustained minor injuries
I am gonna change these numbers now. Kulturbastardo (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong numbers of survivors 

message: I really don't think this belongs in the "Airliner accidents and incidents involving ditching" category. The page for ditching defines it as a situation where "the flight crew knowingly make a controlled emergency landing on water"-which is the exact opposite of what happened to QH90.184.1.71.147 (talk) 02:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - I agree. Samf4u (talk)  12:01, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a ditching 

message: > The inaccurate mixture was the result of the replacement of the standard Trump nozzle, "…which is specially modified and calibrated, with a non-modified, commercially available nozzle." The operator had no means to determine if the proportioning valves were operating properly because no "mix monitor" was installed on the nozzle.[4]:57–58
I'm sorry, this just made me laugh. I guess it was designed by an unrelated person with the surname Drumpf?
Is this subtle vandalism? Or is it just a strangely named nozzle type? Looks like it's just a strangely named deicing vehicle.
Ellenor2000 (talk) 02:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this was removed by an IP editor not long after the above comment; but yes, this just refers to a deicing vehicle manufactured by a company named "Trump". See, e.g., . The vehicle was specifically discussed in the NTSB report, but probably does not need to be identified by name; see , section 1.17.3 on pages 30-31. TJRC (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for understanding and explaining Ellenor2000 (talk) 21:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trump nozzle 

message: I found the airliner involved in the accident, here:
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19820113-0&vnr=1&kind=PC
That one is from January 1982 same year of accident.
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19820113-0&vnr=2&kind=PC
This one is from December 1980.
They’re both from ASN so is it possible we could ask to use these images as it is the aircraft invoked in the accident?
OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of airliner involved 

message: The plane had pitched up due to icing and angle of attack was reduced. The Safety Board concluded that the accident could have been avoided if the pilot(s) had ordered full throttle to the engines. This was reported in the August 11, 1982 edition of the New York Times. Therefore even with compromised performance due to icing the tragedy was avoidable when the plane was in the air, even after the mistakes made by the pilots. This wikipedia entry should make mention of this finding published by the NTSB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.156.79 (talk) 20:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Throttle  

message: It is true, but there is no mention of the fact that the closure was also implemented to clean the runways at intervals since the airport only allowed a single take-off or landing operation at a time; they had to remove the snow from the runways to return it to a safe operating condition. The speaker is a certified and practicing airline pilot and details the full sequence of the unfortunate incident here at 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmnFOiIijY 
Regards,
Tonifa (talk) 03:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airport closed due strong snow storm 

message: Could a diagram of where the passengers were sitting (like in other plane crash pages) be included in this article? If there is one, then sorry. I have read a couple of these so I might have forgotten what articles had diagrams Bucky winter soldier (talk) 14:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram 

message: Was any attempt made to remove the wreckage from the water?  How deep is the Potomac at that location?  Is the wreckage a danger to anyone for any reason?  Removing the wreckage likely would provide opportunity to acquire more data about the actual crash.2603:6010:4E42:500:98A9:59D1:8694:9D60 (talk) 03:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wreckage of plane still in Potomac? 

message: so the article they printed here says rescue workers were not able to enter the River due to hypothermic conditions and the ice well the so-called rescue workers or Heroes as they like to call themselves did nothing while a civilian jumped in and saved a woman if four or five of them jumped in the poor fellow who sacrificed himself would have lived. So two a civilian just standing on the shoreline did more than any rescue worker on the ground the helicopter Personnel were exemplary. Shojohn (talk) 05:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki correction 

message: The article claims the bridge was "0.75 nmi (1 mi; 1 km)" from the runway. Looking at Google maps I get closest to 1 mi which would be 1.6 km or 0.9 nautical miles. 
Regardless of the correct distance, 1mi is not 1km and makes a distracting nonsense. 92.22.233.255 (talk) 15:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't panic, a case of overrounding. EEng 16:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impossible distance