Talk:Jama'at al-Muslimin

message: This is rather incomplete and kind of inaccurate even. I might go through my Radical Islam books to improve it, if I have the time.--T. Anthony 00:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: old talk

message: Page four of this document translates Takfir Wal Hijira as either "excommunication and emigration" or "anathema and exile"  -- Geo Swan 02:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: other translations

message: My understanding of the Takfir is that it is a group, or well-defined organization, not simply an ideology (contrast with Salafism). I'm not sure the people listed at the end of the article really qualifies as members of Takfir, and a number of them are claimed to be members of Al Qaeda. So, can one be a member of Al Qaeda and of Takfir, although the entry claims that Takfir members attempted to assassinate Ben Laden? Either these peoples were members of Al Qaeda, or of Takfir, but both seems contradictory. Tazmaniacs 02:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group or ideology ? 

message: is the correct translation of 'Takfir wal-Hijra '. It means atone your disobedience & migrate back to obedience of God. -- 17:02, 18 November 2007 86.51.3.194
:I really don't think that such words would convey the same impression to English speakers that t+k+f+y+r+ w+a+l+h+g+r+tm  convey to Arabic speakers - Takfir can mean "atonement, expiation, penance", but in the context of the group's name it's generally clearly understood to mean "the act of declaring someone to be an infidel" (i.e. accusing another Muslim of not being a "real" Muslim).  And Hijra is derived from a verb whose basic meaning is to go AWAY from something (not to go towards something), and is a clear reference to the historical occasion when Muhammad went away from Mecca (and later came back to conquer it). AnonMoos (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atonement & Migration 

message: According to , Takfir wal-Hijra was founded in 1971 by Shukri Mustafa. Is there a good source that the group was already formed in 1960s? --Vsion (talk) 06:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  founding date 

message: Please explain here why "neo-Khawarij" or "Salafi extremist" is the better description, instead of edit-warring... AnonMoos (talk) 02:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Terminology

message: This article is kind of confusing, mixing information about three separate subjects - the original "Takfir wal-Hijra" group, general takfiri ideology and its supporters, and different groups calling themselves Takfir wal-Hijra today. 
The original Shukri Mustafa group was actually called Jama'at al-Muslimin (Society of Muslims) but was labelled Takfir wal-Hijra by Egyptian press and authorities. --80.216.162.32 (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree and have tried to clarify the article. The problem is that most of the sources are equally confused. I've tried to remove all the unsourced stuff and add in some explanation of the difference between the original group and the modern "cells". The ideology section is still problematic but I'll finish editing Shukri Mustafa before getting involved there. I'm also tempted to remove the "Meaning of Takfir wal-Hijra" section, since it was given to the group by the media and they never used it themselves. --Copper button 15:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: One of the most recent--and definitive--articles on Takfir wa'l Hijrah is Jeffrey B. Cozzens' "Takfir wa'l Hijrah: Unpacking an Enigma," from Studies in Conflict and Terrorism 32:6 (2009).  Recommend for use in this entry.  --Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.190.125.2 (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: source

message: Another contributor moved Takfir wal-Hijra to Jama'at al-Muslimin.
I couldn't find a discussion of that move, and requested the contributor who made the move to point us to the place where the move was discussed.  Geo Swan (talk) 14:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Think he actually split or "forked" it... AnonMoos (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  rename 

message: This edit introduces the assertion that Takfir is not the group's name -- however no source for this assertion has been provided.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this point is adequately referenced in the body of the article. It can be found in pretty much any book that touches on the subject, such as Kepel's "The Prophet and the Pharoah" or Sageman's "Understanding Terror Networks". --Copper button 19:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  original name? 

message: This edit removed the names of two individuals, claiming the references did not support the men supported Takfir.  I believe this was incorrect.
* According to the New York Times Guantanamo docket Saad Madi Saad al Azmi "Detainee is an Islamic extremist who has participated in extremist activity in Kuwait where he was a member of a group known as the 'Takfir Seven'"
* According to the New York Times Guantanamo docket more than half a dozen Guantanamo captives associated with Takfir.  Some of those individuals later faced charges before the Guantanamo military commissions, and those charges included their association with Takfir.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From what you quote, the articles link the men to Takfir, not Takfir wal-Hijra. Takfir is a concept which dates back to the earliest days of Islam - it's not exclusive to Takfir wal-Hijra. --Copper button 19:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged members

message: Deleted this about "It advocates armed battle against Jews, Christians and apostate Muslims to restore the unity of the Islamic world order ...." as I did not find anything like that in the Kepel book (which is the most in depth source) or any other source. --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: more changes

message: The European Union maintains a list of banned organizations. Extract:
3. "Al-Aqsa e.V."
4. "Al-Takfir" and "Al-Hijra"
5. "Aum Shinrikyo"
Does line 4 = Al-Takfir wa al-Hijra = Takfir wal-Hijra?
Are the quotes misplaced, or is there a real meaning to splitting "Al-Takfir" and "Al-Hijra" as if there were two separate things?
Nicolas1981 (talk) 06:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Designation of <'"Al-Takfir" and "Al-Hijra">' as terrorist organization(s) by the EU 

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message: I have redirected the page of Jama'at al muslimin to the page of Takfir wal-Hijra because Takfir wal-Hijra is the name written in all other languages of the wikipedia, the media of the world, the internet and everywhere. Kiro Bassem (talk) 17:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirected the page of Jama'at al-Muslimin to the page of [[Takfir wal-Hijra]] 

message: There are other discussions about this article in Talk: Takfir wal-Hijra. Go check it out. Note: this is the talk page of the article Jama'at al-Muslimin, which I redirected to Takfir wal-Hijra. Kiro Bassem (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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