Talk:Tal Wilkenfeld

message: I was under the impression that You Tube references and listing on any biography page should not be done. This is for several reasons, one, being the question of whether what is posted in such places is notable, and the second, because they are not dependable. IOW, some You Tube videos constitute a violation of copyright, and they are easily removed, leaving the page less noteworthy in their absence.  This is why I originally removed the You Tube and "Further Listening" section of the page, even though I encourage folks to look Tal Wilkenfeld up on You Tube, because her work, particularly with Jeff Beck was amazing. --leahtwosaints (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "You Tube, because her work, particularly with Jeff Beck was amazing." Exactly. :) --Timeshifter (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It's not a hard-and-fast rule, and I believe that if it enhances knowledge about the artist to our readers, they should be kept. The main reasons for not including such links is that they may be fan sites, contain inaccurate information, or copyright violations. In the case of the MySpace page, I believe it's the artist's own page, which would mean that it most likely is not inaccurate. If the copyright owners object to the YouTube links, they won't be on YouTube anymore. Badagnani (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, the myspace and youtube links aren't being used as references. They are definitely relevant external links, though. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Links of all kinds disappear. That's true for any link whether in references or external links. For links to articles, audio, video, etc.. As for video links, oftentimes there is another copy of the video elsewhere on Youtube. So if the video disappears, then a search on YouTube may bring up other copies. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You Tube  

message: When Tal Wilkenfeld left for the United States, our first reference says she was 18?  But if you check the "Aussie video sample" I left under "Listening", during the interview, she herself corrects the host, saying she came to the USA at age 16.  What should be done?  --leahtwosaints (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Probably say, "Although many sources have reported that she was 18 upon immigrating to the United States, she has stated in an interview that she was 16 at the time." Something like that Badagnani (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tal came to America at 16.  It has been mentioned several times in various places by Tal herself.  It has been mentioned in the Bass Player interview.  Tal has stated this fact in a Spicks and Specks TV interview as well as the Today Show interview. TroubleFindsMe (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She cannot just emigrate to the US at 16 without being accompanied by a parent or a guardian. Sounds fishy to me. And who paid all of her "being the "in" girl" crap, while she was earning no money? The whole "biography" sounds very bogus. Sgracanin (talk) 22:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age issues 

message: In accordance with Wikipedia BLP guidelines, I've removed the statement that Tal supported herself as a session musician in NYC.  A citation reference to Tal's website was given, however, there is nothing on her website that supports this claim or makes mention of her means of financially supporting herself while in New York. TroubleFindsMe (talk) 21:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Means of supporting herself 

message: I'm not comfortable having a long list of names in Tal's infobox. I always assumed that real associated acts would be bandmates, those that one records with, or is the touring musician, as with Jeff Beck, in this instance. The article says she's played with Susan Tedeschi, which makes sense because Tedeschi's husband is in the Allman Brothers Band. But I see no reference to back that up, and honestly, Ron Holloway told me she just sat in with him on a performance, so  I think those names should be removed. My point is that, like many session musicians, strings of names in infoboxes eventually mean very little, compared to the actual person's accomplishments. Can we clean out at least half of those names and be sure to reference those that are there? --leahtwosaints (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it's been months now, and nobody seems to give a hoot, so I'm removing the Associated Acts that are not in her trios. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of "Associated Acts" in infobox 

message: Still no hint for her real birthday? Someone from the press should ask that question.
And, is she German Australian?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.117.213 (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Background, d.o.b. 

message: Here is a first good one: February 18, 2010 Tal Wilkenfeld to headline Wesfest 5 on Feb 28th, 2010
--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please leave references here 

message: In the Early life section it says she "emigrated" to USA. As far as I understand the word emigrate means to move to another country and change citizenship from the old to the new country. I don't know if Tal became a citizen of USA, but I doubt that she did. If she is an Australian who moved to USA the word emigrate should probably be replaced with moved. Note that the reference to that paragraph points to an article: "At the age of 16, Tal Wilkenfeld dropped out of high school in Sydney, packed up her possessions and moved to Los Angeles to pursue her dream of becoming a musician." which uses the word "moved". 
It all depends on the definition of the word emigration. It is sloppily defined in word books, usually defined as movement. On government sites emigration is usually coupled to the the issue of citizenship. To avoid the confusion about citizenship I think we should use the word "moved" when the person did not change citizenship, or we do not know the nationality of the person.
The wikipedia article Emigration says that emigration means to move to another country to settle there. To "settle" usually and historically means to have the intent of staying in the new country for the rest of ones life, which implies to become a citizen of the new country. In the modern world we see world famous artists or sports people who move around between many countries but seldom change their citizenship, and have no intent of staying for the rest of their life in another country.Roger491127 (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The word "emigrated"

message: Tal Wilkenfeld is matter-of-factly regarded as Jewish by an Australian Jewish music festival in Ynetnews.
"Australia has produced a long list of Jewish artists of international standing, including jazz and soul singer Renée Geyer, Ben Lee, bassist Tal Wilkenfeld, among others."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3841542,00.html JohndanR (talk) 03:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a decent start, but she only gets name-dropped there. For bio purposes and adding categories, a more concrete source is needed—preferably one where she self-identifies as Jewish, or a more detailed account of her ancestry. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: the website http://www.talwilkenfeld.com has been hijacked by an unrelated party. Mistral2099 (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A previous editor had already removed it from the infobox, but I have also removed it now from the External Links section and an inline reference. I think it is now gone altogether from the article. Gorpik (talk) 10:28, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links