Talk:Colognian

message: what about those special collaquisms!?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.244.212 (talk) 17:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Kolisch phrases

message: Every other page on Colognian/Kölsch calls it 'Colognian' (Colognian phonology, Help:IPA for Colognian, etc.), but  calls it 'Kölsch' and  calls it 'Colognian (Kölsch)'. It'd be nice to be consistent. — Lfdder (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Colognian' doesn't feel like real English to me; is there a source outside Wikipedia for this usage? Maybe a local English newspaper for expats living in Cologne or a reputable guidebook or a regional history? Personally the only adjective relating to Cologne that I've ever heard is 'Kölsch'... Q·L·1968 ☿ 22:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

text: 'Colognian' is wrong. The English (from French) name of the city, Cologne, has a -gn- to represent the diphthong inherited from the Latin name, Colonia. When you add the latinate -ian ending to make the adjective Colonian, you're putting back the -ia and thus reaching back to before the French -gn-. The French adjective for "from Cologne" is colonais, by the way: the -gn- is not preserved. I propose to move the page to "Colonian dialect". Wegesrand (talk) 11:24, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colognian or Kölsch? Dialect or language? 

message: Hi, I was passing through and noticed that it might be useful to add the Standard German version of The Lord's Prayer here next to present version -- to show contrasts between Standard German and Kölsch. Cheers! Tezamen (talk) 23:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The present version not being a literal rendition, that might cause some confusion. Richard 08:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible suggestion 

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message: Does anyone have any source that actually claims that the realisation of <ch> is [ɧ]? I'm aware the Kölsch-Akademie like to claim it is /ɧ/, but they never actually make a claim for it sounding anything like [ɧ]. In fact their description from their grammar they published, "De kölsche Sproch", puts it pretty clearly in [ɕ]-range: Et ch [ç] em Deutsche en recht, mich, Wächter ... es em Kölsche et ch [ɧ], ene Laut, dä zweschen dem deutsche ch [ç] und sch [ʃ] ze fingen es, dobei nöher am sch [ʃ] litt. The last part, "a sound which is between ç and ʃ, but a bit closer to ʃ" is a pretty accurate lay description of [ɕ]. I almost wonder if the people who came up with that transcription [ɧ] (which despite the brackets I am sure must be a phonemic transcription, as the Akademie also uses [r] to describe the second consonant in the word sage [zaː¹ʁə]) misunderstood what "simultaneous /ʃ/ and /x/," the IPA official description of /ɧ/, means. [ç] and [x] are, after all, allophones in German. Worth mentioning that the Akademie still claim <sch> is "[ʃ]", while simultaneously also explicitly claiming in other materials ("Usgesproche Kölsch," an audio pronunciation guide) that "ch and sch are pronounced identically" 70.162.100.208 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of CH 

message: Seems very unlikely, but if it's true, it needs a sentence or two of explanation. As it stands, it leaves the impression that in Munich and Frankfurt, for example, the local language has been replaced by Standard(ized) High German. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this true? "Kölsch is one of the very few city dialects in Germany."