Talk:FoxTrot

message: Should we link the Warthog article to Paige Fox? Also, who is Dave. I have read every FoxTrot anthology and have read the comics almost everyday for the past four years, and I don't remeber a Dave. I don't even rember anyone besides Jason who writes computer programs, particulary .net programs. Also, I think Andy still is a newspaper columnist, despite what the article says. Mred64 21:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's probably not necessary to link Paige to Warthog. Such a minor mention in one little strip (albeit THE strip that mainstreamed Wikipedia, which made me jump for joy earlier when I read it) isn't enough to link the page itself to the page in question . We can talk about it all we like on this talk page, however. --DXI 05:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I meant it as a joke. Although, do you know about Dave? I still don't remember hearing about him. And I thought Andy still was a newspaper columnist. If you can show me a comic that proves me wrong, I'll gladly go along with it. Mred64 23:54, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, Andy is still a newspaper columnist. --Brain 00:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Few Comments 

message: Some quick things I have to say about that last section.  One, is it really necessary?  I mean, it's just a copy-paste of part of the website's FAQ.  Two, if it's about Bill Amend, shouldn't it go under his article? Mred64 03:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm being bold and getting rid of the FAQ.  It's not encyclopedic, it's a copy of the website, and it just seems really out of place.  Mred64 05:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone really wants the FAQ, I guess they could put reword the information from it and put in the article, but I would not recommend putting the entire FAQ back or even putting that information in.  None of the other comic strip articles seem that way.  Mred64 05:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about Bill Amend 

message: Yes, I agree that the FAQ should be taken out... it just seemed out of place in the whole article. Also, I think personally that all quotes from FoxTrot should been taken out of the article - they should be transferred over to the WikiQuotes page for FoxTrot and not to the Wikipedia article. 
Also, can anyone scan in pictures of all the characters? Also, I just added the whole list of the collections and anthologies (the pictures were from Amazon.com, thanks to them!) and it would also be great if someone who knows the range of the comic strip dates could enter that information into the WikiTable...
--Kungming2 01:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The pictures are a nice touch.  Mred64 03:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes from FoxTrot and "More about Bill Amend"

message: Should we submit for a second peer review and see what's the response?
Kungming2 07:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say yes.  The article has now incorporated most of the changes from the last peer review that we could do.  Mred64 03:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was looking at the old peer review page and I've got most of it ready for a second submission.  HOwever, I can't find the original request for peer review and it says that you are supposed to show where it is.  Can someone find it?  Mred64 22:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second stab at Peer Review?

message: I think that a section about criticism is needed. FoxTrot has been critiqued as boring, white, unfunny, and so forth. This belongs.
--Defenestrate
:That's a good idea, but I've never heard that before.  I don't know how well we could put that in without specific sources, because it may just come off as random views without them. Mred64 01:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "White" is a word that can be used to critique something now?  Wow... TheUncleBob 06:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critique needed 

message: If we really want to try to put this up for Peer Review again, we have to find the original peer review request. Has anyone else tried to look for it? Who made the original request? Does anyone know what could have happened to it? I can't find it the archives. Mred64 02:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, the first PR is here: Wikipedia:Peer review/FoxTrot/archive1.  Powers 02:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the first Peer Review we need (that was easy to find), it's the first Request for Peer Review. Mred64 01:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need More Eyes 

message: I know this is a minute detail, but if we're going to mention it at all, we should be accurate.  The current article reads that Jason has an A++++ average, but I can recall a strip in which Jason complains about getting an A+++ on his math test because with such a grade, he'll never keep up his "A+++++ average".  Does anyone have a definitive answer for this?  If it changes, than we probably shouldn't mention it at all.  --Kahlfin 15:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason's GPA 

message: I say that the character list should stay on the page. It's beneficial to the article. I mean, a FoxTrot article without any descriptions of the characters? It doesn't make any sense. 
--scotty 01:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that kungming2 is right, if there is not enough room to mention the main characters, then this article has too much in it.  The main characters should come back and the minor chracters should go to a different page.
Mbatman72
**I concur with Kungming2.  Powers 14:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: When did you make that a separate article?  If you did it a long time ago, the article may not have been long enough to merit creating a separate article for Jason.  Also, the new article that we are talking about would include all the main characters, not just Jason, so it would be longer and seem more relevant. Mred64 05:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the page, and it appears the Jason Fox page was created on 15 January 2006, not by the user redwhite, but actually by another user named Scottishlad0932 . I was the one who redirected it back to the main article, as its length at that time did not merit the creation of a seperate article, and that also none of the other characters had their own seperate articles. Furtheremore, the Jason Fox page was basically a repeat of the content on this main FoxTrot page. –-  kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 06:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: *The list of books have been spun off to List of FoxTrot books. I'm still going to do the Characters page, but it's maddenly complicated and I'll probably work on it in my sandbox first. –-  kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 18:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character List Controversy 

message: There has been a constant edit war between having the line about the Calvin and Hobbes snowmen to be "an homage" or "a homage." Could we reach a consensus please? Why don't we go to the original comic and see how it is worded there. --You'reMyJuliet 11:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I have the strip in one of the books I own but going through each strip (even if I just stick to winter strips) looking for it is not feasible.  If we could narrow it down to a year, I could do it.  Powers 14:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's in one of the books in Foxtrotious Maximus, because I don't really remember this particular strip and that's the only set of books I don't have. --You'reMyJuliet 02:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good call.  I found in I think early 2003 (they're not dated but it's the second winter after the 9/11 strips).  It's "an homage".  Powers 12:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! An example of how well Wikipedia can work. From now on, it's settled as "an homage," NOT "a homage." ---You'reMyJuliet 14:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "An homage" versus "a homage." 

message: This is a real WoW item, checked thottbot. "Citation needed" tag removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.246.233.10 (talk • contribs) .
: I think you misunderstand the purpose of that tag.  It's not meant to say "someone thinks this is untrue"; it means "this fact needs a source".  Saying you looked it up isn't good enough; that's not a verifiable reference.  We need a real, reliable source.  I've put the tag back.  Powers 22:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doomulus prime 

message: Hi, I'm adding references to the article. Please help if you can, using the compilation books as a source. Thank you!
- Addaone 02:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help add references 

message: At 61KB, this article desperately needs to be forked off.  I started with List of minor FoxTrot characters, but that only brought it down to 58KB.  How about having the family members be forked off into List of FoxTrot family members?  All the popular culture stuff should be forked off into something else, too; I don't know what to call it.  List of FoxTrot references?  Things?  Items? Hbdragon88 00:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the family members would cut it down to 31KB. Hbdragon88 00:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I have spun off the family members but both that page and the remaining section could be better cleaned up.  Eluchil404 01:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't Make another page for "Family Members" that is what this comic is all about, it belongs here, do it for minor characters. Mbatman72 20:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've redirected the list of supporting FoxTrot characters here. We're not writing FoxTrot encyclopedia here.  List important characters and their characteristics here.  If you want more, start a blog or a fan site. --Tony Sidaway 23:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forking 

message: Why does "FoxTort" redrict to to the disambiguation page?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NFAN3 (talk • contribs) .
:I'm not sure, indeed FoxTrot used to be the title of the page on the comic.  I have switched the target.  Eluchil404 01:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have notified an admin and I am hoping to move the article back to FoxTrot soon. - Mike 18:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now moved. - Mike 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redrict? 

message: Should the article include a hatnote linking to Foxtrot (disambiguation)?  I think such a link would be usefull to users for various reasons and should be included, but the page has been reverted back and forth between the various versions and so I thought a general discussion was called for to determine consensus.  Eluchil404 22:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is no. Please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. (If you wish to change the guidelines, that is also the place to discuss it.) Dagnabit 23:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that you are misinterpreting the guideline, not that it needs to be changed.  That's why I'm asking here what others think.  I will abide by the locally determined consensus, but it will take several days (at least) to assess.  Eluchil404 23:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are seeking to change the use of disambiguation notes -- not for disambiguation but for a case of a (not very likely) misspelling. You may discuss changing the guideline at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Dagnabit 11:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?  I thought a hatnote would be obvious in this case.  How is "FoxTrot" not an obvious possible "misspelling" of Foxtrot or Fox trot?  Powers T 19:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  Just for the record, the hatnote was originally added by  on August 10 2004 diff.  It has been removed by Dagnabit 3 times between September 30 and October 8.  Eluchil404 23:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hatnote

message: I found this
"Both these elements add a layer of superfluous complexity to the strip, and juxtaposed with the odd circumstances in which they appear, give FoxTrot a uniquely surreal air." (!) new to wiki but not new to encyclopedia. the article should stick to the facts. Critique has no room or should only be done under a seperate heading by known experts(?). Let me know.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Armybrat (talk • contribs) .
: Absolutely correct.  Pop culture topics traditionally get a bit of a pass on such things, but this may be crossing the line.  You could stick a  tag on it, which will give an indication that the assertion needs to be cited.  You could remove it entirely, making sure to specify why in your edit summary.  Or you could bring it up here, as you've done, and wait for someone else to take care of it.  =)  Powers T 01:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: under Scientific references

message: From a news release at amuniversal.com, 2006-12-05:
Bill Amend’s popular FoxTrot comic strip will go to a Sunday-only publication schedule as of Dec. 31, 2006, announced Universal Press Syndicate today. The last daily will be Saturday, Dec. 30. Reruns of dailies will be available for Web usage.
"After spending close to half of my life writing and drawing FoxTrot cartoons, I think it's time I got out of the house and tried some new things," said Amend. "I love cartooning and I absolutely want to continue doing the strip, just not at the current all-consuming pace. I've been blessed over the years with a terrific syndicate, patient newspaper clients, and more support from readers than I probably deserve, and I want to assure them all that while I'll be now a less-frequent participant on the comics pages, I'll continue to treat my visits as the special privilege they are."
— Loadmaster 19:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No longer a daily strip 

message: Someone crated the List of FoxTrot family members, which had been reverted and moved back here.  I'm splitting it off again.  This article is 80KB and insaney long.  Splitting it off brings this article down to 46KB.  Not bad, still could be shorter, but I think this is a far better solution than to keep it all in this giant article. Hbdragon88 23:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We know.  It's in the section right above this one.  Powers T 13:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split again 

message: The peer review suggested we get any awards FoxTrot has won and the number of papers it runs in and put it in the article.  The press release for the Sunday only format has this information, but I'm wondering where we should put it.  I'm thinking the introduction?
http://www.amuniversal.com/ups/newsrelease/?view=468
FoxTrot to Cease Dailies
Kansas City, MO  (12/05/2006)  Bill Amend’s popular FoxTrot comic strip will go to a Sunday-only publication schedule as of Dec. 31, 2006, announced Universal Press Syndicate today. The last daily will be Saturday, Dec. 30. Reruns of dailies will be available for Web usage.
“After spending close to half of my life writing and drawing FoxTrot cartoons, I think it’s time I got out of the house and tried some new things,” said Amend. “I love cartooning and I absolutely want to continue doing the strip, just not at the current all-consuming pace. I’ve been blessed over the years with a terrific syndicate, patient newspaper clients, and more support from readers than I probably deserve, and I want to assure them all that while I’ll be now a less-frequent participant on the comics pages, I’ll continue to treat my visits as the special privilege they are.”
Amend, who started the strip in April, 1988, and who has more than 1,000 client newspapers, is taking time to pursue other creative outlets. “In addition to Sunday newspapers, we may see FoxTrot entertaining us in other kinds of media platforms,” says Lee Salem, president and editor of Universal Press Syndicate.
Amend has more than 30 published FoxTrot comic collections and has licensed his characters for calendars and wallpapers for cell phones. He was nominated in 2006 as a finalist for cartoonist of the year by the National Cartoonists Society’s Reuben Award.
Creator(s): Bill Amend
Contact(s): Kathie Kerr
Mred64 01:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and Misc Info 

message: "Evidently, it is made of bullet-proof plastic (just like the original G3 iMac on which it is based)"
Do we have a source for the original imac g3s being bulletproof. I have not been able to find any 
confirming source for this statement.
:I known the G3 was made of polycarbonate plastic. This can, when laminated, be bullet-resistant as in bullet-resistant glass; but I never heard that Apple actually treated the polycarbonate to reach that result. Here are the developer notes on the G3.  The reference to using polycarbonate plastic is on page 14. Delfeye 14:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulletproof Plastic 

message: This article is 58 kb now, which is quite hefty. I went ahead and added a  tag to it, in hopes that someone will help to split it up some. In my opinion, a lot of the prose needs tightening, but I'm too lazy to do it right now. (Just kidding.) If anyone wants to help, he or she may. TenPoundHammer 04:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: <nowiki>{{verylong}}</nowiki> tag added

message: There's a lot of stuff in this article that I think is unnecessary. We don't need to include every nitpicking detail. The article's really bloated, so I'm going to deflate it some. If you think I've deleted something important, please feel free to put it back -- within reason. TenPoundHammer 13:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming the prose 

message: Might I ask why there is a picture of Denise and none of the other minor characters? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nichlok (talk • contribs) 01:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbalance in minor character pictures 

message: I think that this page is too indiscriminate. Way too indiscriminate. I've been plucking some of the excess info out, but it's still way too long. I need your help! TenPoundHammer 12:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Particularly, make a List of minor FoxTrot characters and move the list from here to there. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "List of minor FoxTrot characters" has been made already. Do you mean that I should make another page for "Supporting characters" (Denise, Steve, etc.)? TenPoundHammer 00:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe (or at least feel) this would include Denise, Steve, and the others.  The only characters that should have a section on the main page should be the Fox family and Quincy and even then, these should be brief because there's already the list of Major characters page.--Masem 00:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Then what I intended to say is to merge the supporting characters list into the minor characters list. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that on other pages (like video games) where parodies and allusions, unless well cited and highly significant, are generally removed or reduced into a singular statement, I think that 50% of the current page can be cut out via a similar means.  It's fair to say that "Bill Amend has included a number of popular culture references within Foxtrot, from movies, music, computer and video games", but to go and extensively list everything with only reference back to a strip it showed up it is not only excessive, but also very speculative at times as well (getting back to what is encyclopedic and what belongs better on a fan site).  I'd rather see these sections removed and the main character bios brought back to the main page than what the page is now. --Masem 20:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reduced a lot of the content on parodies and similar stuff. However, there's still far too much cruft on this page so I put the  template on. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Actions • Words))) 23:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much info 

message: I have seen every detail of every FoxTrot comic, and never once have I seen "Amend Motor Company" I would like to. So, if someone, (anthologies only) can give me a page number and anthology book, exception:Houston you have a problem, I will be grateful.--B1029 15:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I own all the FoxTrot books and I haven't seen it anywhere. Nor have I seen McAmend's for that matter. The only time I recall seeing Amend in the strip (besides Bill's signature) is an opening panel from the early 1990s. It features Andy doing a crossword puzzle; the clue she reads is "a five letter word for 'humility'", and the blanks A M _ N D are shown. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Actions • Words))) 23:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "McAmends" 

message: Can someone put a link from the foxtrot(dance) page to foxtrot (comic) page? Arthritix (talk) 18:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Redirect" 

message: I don't think that this french word is neccessary, and that some person with a big ego who wanted to sound smart just edited it into this complicated phrase. I suggest it be reverted. 151.203.33.81 (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always be bold and do it yourself. I trimmed that paragraph down. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raison De Etre 

message: Where's the page for the minor characters? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fansite problems. – sgeureka t•c 20:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject.  If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class.  The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject.  Comics-awb (talk) 16:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

message: The third paragraph of the introduction is totally unreferenced, opinionated, and unnecessary. It looks like someone sat down and  wrote an opinion on art and writing style from over the years, complete with useless era names. "The Wonder Years" is amongst them. See NPOV. Should it be removed? 74.68.114.111 (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Paragraph of Intro 

message: On the 8/24/2005 strip (http://www.gocomics.com/foxtrot/2005/08/24), Paige has her phone number on her shirt. Assuming the area code is one of four possible combinations; 432, 437, 932, 937, of which only two are assigned, they could be in either Texas or Ohio. In Ohio, within that area code (937), there happens to be a town by the name of Trotwood. Possible lead or mere coincidence? Yos233 (talk) 05:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely a coincidence.  They've been pretty firmly established as being in Chicagoland, as Andy at one point goes to a Bulls game.  Powers T 02:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strip Location