Talk:Limited-access road

message: The history section deals with a specific definition; is there any proof that there were no city streets to which the maintaining authority limited driveway access before then?
On the other hand, there is stuff that can be said about history - both about that type (if such info can be found) and about major highways. This article would specifically cover issues relating to the limitation of access. Often such limitation was illegal in the early days, leading to problems with early highways. For instance I believe the QEW was initially built with full access, while Texas has used frontage roads on most freeways until recently. I'm pretty sure there's a bit about this in a USDOT book I have - I'll get to it at some point. SPUI (T - C) 10:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: While it appears that the precise definition of "limited-access" or "controlled-access" varies greatly in terms of legal definitions, does anyone know if there is a more universal civil engineering definition for these? Or are the engineering definitions also fuzzy?
Another question: does the limitation of access refer to the places where vehicles can enter/exit the road? I have seen a definition where it means there is no public right of way to the road in general except as specified legally, e.g. only motor vehicles of certain types may use the road. It might be useful to get a variety of authoritative definitions and see what the extent of variation is. --Polaron | Talk 16:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authoritative definition 

message: Comments on the need for citations in the Variants section:
#controlled access highway is usually a step up from a limited access highway -- This does not appear to be generally true. I believe both Connecticut and New York, for example, do not distinguish between the two terms. The statement should be made more specific (e.g. "According to the definitions used by MUTCD,...") and referenced.
#usually features ... interchanges and frontage roads ... -- Probably not necessary. If the previous reference is made clear, then this should probably follow as well. 
#expressway in terms of signage -- what does this mean? That the roadway has Exit signs? Would the West Side Highway be one? This definitely needs a citation, assuming the term "expressway in terms of signage" is not made up.
Polaron | Talk 18:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variants 

message: I redid the into to use the NYSPS and the Long Island Motor Parkway as the begining of this concept.  There are several souces that support this and unless someone finds something earlier this should be the best information at this time.  The rest of the article still needs a major cleanup.  Discussing how this concept developed over time and spread to other types of access control techniques is needed.  Vegaswikian 19:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *So you agree that there are sources that may not be reliable.  If so, in an attempt to reach consensus on cleaning up the mess that this article is, just add a cite or fact tag.  I think what is there now reads better and does not have anywhere near the number of issues that the previous text had and at the same time covers basically everything from the old text.  Vegaswikian 20:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *That "fact" about New York's parkways being first has been marked with  for a while, and no one has come up with even an unreliable source that says that. --SPUI (T - C) 20:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Would you please undo your revert and allow some other editors to comment on these changes.  We can not get consensus on fixing this article if every reasonable attempt to fix the article is reverted.  The suggested change is no less supported by fact then the mess that curently exists.  Vegaswikian 20:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Adding unsourced information is not reasonable. --SPUI (T - C) 21:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Then start such a list - and don't put any in the intro. --SPUI (T - C) 21:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *That would require a revert of the existing intro, since it has some of the information, followed by a rewrite and the 3RR rule comes into play now.  Vegaswikian 22:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Maybe you should have thought of that before you started to edit war to include uncited material. --SPUI (T - C) 22:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I did not start an edit war.  I was in the middle of finishing the changes by adding more material when the previous change was reverted.  It takes time to look through other articles to find what you need to do a rewrite to something that might get consensus.  Vegaswikian 22:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYSPS and the intro 

message: I added this section following the introduction to address many of the concerns raised by other editors.  I believe that the simple article about the concept and the different names it goes under today may be enough for the article.  I would hope that before someone goes revert happy that this be allowed to stay as is with some comments here.  The article as it was with some many disputes and upto 5 references for a single sentenance was not of much use and not very encylopedic.  I'd like to hear some feedback from other editors on this change.  Vegaswikian 20:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The concept and various names 

message: The term Highway in Australia doesn't equate to Freeway or Motorway. Usually (in my experience) a highway is just the main road between 2 places. Many highways are not controlled access roads. Ozdaren (talk) 14:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia - Highway 

message: I have copied this list here, which I don't believe is justified in the article as there is a link to a long list in the article anyway.PeterEastern (talk) 08:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: List of road terms from article

message: I have been gone through the article cutting out a lot of content much of which was tagged as having issues or was not central to the subject (none of the photos were necessary or useful in the context). I have reduced the article to a simple definition of the civil engineering term with links out to related subjects. I will add some diagrams to it over time unless anyone else does. PeterEastern (talk) 08:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cleanup 

message: I find the redirect of expressway here, absurd. Not all expressways are limited access roads. An expressway, as the name suggests should be a road that offers 'express speed'.
--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. A limited access road is just that, and defines most expressways, while some are even freeways. Most expressways differ from simply being "a high speed road": They often have less traffic lights (or none), little or no driveway access, and some sort of barrier (even just a raised curb) between opposing lanes. If you care to show an example of a road that is called an expressway but looks just like a normal city avenue (but with a higher speed limit), we could add it; the definition varies hugely around the world. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 11:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree with Rsrikanth05 that it would be absurd if Expressway redirected to Limited access road, but it doesn't, it redirects to a disambiguation page, because the word "expressway" means different things in different territories. I am not sure what the problem is. I hope Rsrikanth05 will explain further if there is still a problem. Nankai (talk) 06:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Expressway to Expressway (dab), which lists the types of possible meanings: Access controlled road, signal free road, express road, etc. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:00, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absurd 

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message: I have seen in this article that some images are the image from the so called Road for motor vehicles as defined by the CONVENTION ON ROAD SIGNS AND SIGNALS DONE AT VIENNA ON 8 NOVEMBER 1968  [].
Although this image appears many time in the Wikipedia article, the official name Road for motor vehicles is not given. Even if the existence of two class of roads in Europe Motorways and  Road for motor vehicles is someway confusing, wikipedia should help to make it understandable, in order to give, for instance, similarities and dissimilarities between Limited-access road and Road for motor vehicles.
According to the CONVENTION ON ROAD SIGNS AND SIGNALS Those ROAD FOR MOTOR VEHICLES have a specific definition: 
* "road on which the traffic rules are the same as on a motorway"
* "roads other than motorways which are reserved for motor vehicle traffic and do not serve properties bordering on the road."
The notion of express road  as defined by several international treaties might also be added if it is not too much confusing (The concept of express road is described in :fr:Voie rapide).
Because, standardization and naming of road may vary from country to country, one idea for organizing the article might be to take into account grouping of countries by Region, where useful: 
* Europe which is by several treaties bounded by the concept of Express road,
* Countries to the CONVENTION ON ROAD SIGNS AND SIGNALS  which are bounded by the notion of Road for motor vehicles (and/or countries of CONVENTION ON ROAD TRAFFIC),
* Other countries for which those definition might be not applicable, and for which other (local/specific) definition might be applicable  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.193.104.227 (talk) 16:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road for motor vehicles 

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