Talk:Danube Swabians

message: I intend to write a main article for "Expulsion of the Danube Swabians", that this one can link to.  More information at User:Adammathias/Vertreibung_der_Donauschwaben
Issues:
*Article Name
I believe "Expulsion of the Danube Swabians" is the correct English translation for "Vertreibung der Donauschwaben".  While some have called the event ethnic cleansing or even genocide, and it certainly fits at least the definition of the former, those terms are both bombastic, likely to arouse controversy, and not used in German.  THe other naming issue is about "Danube Swabians".  Of course "...Donauschwaben" should redirect, but should the article maybe be called "...Yugoslav Germans" or "Germans of Yugoslavia", since some groups (notably those in Slovenia near Austria) are not Donauschwaben - were they persecuted?  
*Scope
Also, Donauschwaben in Romania and Hungary were not subject to the same treatment, though any article would definitely mention their experience.  Additionally, it would be natural to include a section on internment in Russia/Ukraine.
*Maps/Photos
I have only print media detailing theseBold text events, and very few pictures of camps DURING THEIR USE.  I have plenty of pictures of the sites, memorials, etc. as they now are.  Any help in this regard would be very much appreciated.
*Perspective
I think it would be optimal if we could get Yugoslav perspectives on German collaboration with the Nazis, and detail the motives and origins of the Partisans, etc.  If possible, maps/photos/documents from Yugoslav sources would be great.  I do have a copy of the AVNOJ-Beschluss, but getting it in the original Serbian would be better than playing telephone (translating twice, Srb->Ger->Eng).
*Anything else?
There was a source of interviews of first hand accounts from Danube Swabians of the midwest USA published in 2008 you my want to check out.  
Andor, Ingrid. Bread on My Mother's Table: a Danube Swabian Remembers. New York: IUniverse, 2007. Posthumorus facts (talk) 00:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm heading out of town for a few days, but I'll try to provide some more help next week. I would suggest asking User:PANONIAN for assistance, as he contributes a large amount of data about the Vojvodina region. Also, I would suggest signing your posts with ~~~~, as that gives your signature and date stamp. Olessi 17:27, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I should sign my posts properly.  I have discussed the issue a bit with Panonian, though, and I'm sure he'll pitch in a lot!  Adam Mathias 18:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal for New Article: Expulsion of the Danube Swabians

message: This should be listed under "Danube Swabians" or "Donauschwaben", not Donau-Schwabian (never heard that term before today).  
Take a look at the external links: all three terms seem to be used. If you think one is used more often, of course, go ahead and change it. Saintswithin 06:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Name

message: Here is a the section - 
The Danube Swabians (, , , , , , dunavski shvabi) is a collective term for Germans who lived in the former Kingdom of Hungary, especially in the Danube (Donau) River valley. Because of differential development within the territory settled, the Danube Swabians cannot be seen as a unified people. They include the Germans of Hungary (Ungarndeutsche), Satu Mare Swabians, the Banat Swabians (Banater Schwaben), and the Danube Swabians in Serbia's Vojvodina (Wojwodinedeutsche) and Croatia's Slavonia (especially in Osijek region). The Carpathian Germans and Transylvanian Saxons are not included within the Danube Swabian group.
::According to this, Danube Swabians are an ethnic group made up by various subgroups, they all have their names in two languages (English and German) but it Vojvodina, the German name (Wojwodinedeutsche) is given as translation to English "Danube Swabians". As it stands, the English name is a duplication of the collective name which in German translates to "Vojvodina Germans". I propose to change this small section unless someone can better explain it. Balkantropolis 07:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening paragraph 

message: It's nice that someone designed a coat of arms for the Danube Swabians, but is it a legal device? It's not credited or referenced. Do the Danube Swabians use it for official notices or governmental or political purposes?  I can design a coat of arms for the Danube Swabians myself.  Can we include it here also? --Eddylyons (talk) 21:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been adopted used by the various Danube Swabian cultural organizations (,, etc.). Olessi (talk) 21:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you rephrase the paragraph then "A coat of arms designed by... has been adopted by..." or something to that effect? --Eddylyons (talk) 01:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: This is a really cool article. Someone should add the coat of arms.Mike Babic (talk) 03:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms? 

message: The whole section is bullshit.
"but a large number of them volunteered to form Waffen-SS units"
I wouldn`t name the choice between getting shot or joining the army "volunteered"
"were held in inhuman conditions in camps made out of their former towns"
in fact it where concentration camps
"such as the ones at Knićanin and Molin, "
People from other villages where transported to Knicanin
"From 1945-48, many Germans in Hungary were dispossessed and forced to "return" to Germany, "
They where ALL dispossessed, men and women who where able to work either shot or transported to russia, children where divided from their parents. ALL people with german origins where arrested.
Seine hochwohlloeblichkeit (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If Volksdeutsche were indeed forced to join the SS at gunpoint, I'd like to see proper sources to that effect. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: World War II

message: I have tagged :File:Vertreibung.png, which is in use in this article for deletion because it does not have a copyright tag. If a copyright tag is not added within seven days the image will be deleted. --Chris 07:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Vertreibung.png]] may be deleted 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: 1. The article states:
On March 1, 1946, there was a proposal to expel 130,388 interned Yugoslav ethnic Germans under the Potsdam Agreement.Lt.-Gen. Avsich, Yugoslav Military Mission, Berlin to the Allied Control Commission. Foreign Office 1032/2284.
For this it cites: Lt.-Gen. Avsich, Yugoslav Military Mission, Berlin to the Allied Control Commission. Foreign Office 1032/2284. I was unable to find a single reference to this primary document on the entire web, aside from the citation in this article. In view of WP:VER I suggest a better source be found, or else this should be removed Thhhommmasss (talk) 02:20, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious sources