Talk:Adrienne Clarkson

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message: :After 9/11 happened, she praised Operation Yellow Ribbon, saying that "communities across the country selflessly opened their homes and hearts to stranded air travellers." Chretien and U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci would also do the same thing. They also have never forgotten her standing with both of them on Parliament Hill during the memorial service to honour the victims on September 14, 2001, which over 100,000 attended--the largest single vigil ever seen in the nation's capital.
This bit of phrasing, talking about the (uncited, presumably speculative?) memories of Cretien and Cellucci seems inappropriate to an encyclopedia to me, being suitable rather for a glossy press release.  And less glaringly, it seems odd to observe that J.C. and P.C. also praised Yellow Ribbon (in an article about A.C., as contrasted with an article about Yellow Ribbon or 9/11), since that seems to be understandable as baby-kissing writ large.  So, I feel that the second two sentences could be cleaned up.  In fact, it's possible that this paragraph is not useful, or has undue prominence: is her participation in post-9/11 foofooraw really the most significant event of the first 3 years of her term of office, as the article indirectly suggests?  jholman 18:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarkson and 9/11 

message: Is there any merit of listing the Mandarin pronunciation for any of the Poy family members? There is no evidence that the Poys, being originated from southern China (Hakka / Taishan to be precise) even used Mandarin. The Mandarin pronunciation also do not contribute to explain how "Ng" became "Poy" --Kvasir 08:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandarin??

message: Regarding Zocky's edit: 'rm "Her excellency, the right honourable". The article shouldn't start like that. Is there a way (and a need) to work this somehow back in?)'  I would like to hear why you think the article should not start with her styles and titles.  They are something that a good encyclopedia should include, and in the first sentence is the most natural place to put it.  I think the only other way to include them is in a one-sentence paragraph: "Her official styles and titles are ...",  What about articles about famous miltary figures?  Should their military rank be omitted from the first paragraph?  "Her Excellency the Right Honourable" can be see as a civilian counterpart to military rank. -- Indefatigable 20:41, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. This is not a rank, it's a form of address used for her office. Like "Her majesty". Should pages on monarchs start with "Her Majesty Elisabeth the second is..."? (not that I agree that pages on generals should start with "General Wesley Clark is...")
Zocky 22:26, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Good material for a Forms of address article. Salsa Shark 20:45, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her Excellency the Rt Hon. 

message: Where did the last name Clarkson come from? --Jiang | Talk 07:52, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: She didn't like her monosyllabic surname, so she made up a new one. (Kidding) It's from her first marriage. I'll work that into the article. --Menchi (Talk)â 07:55, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: From Maiden name "Legally and commonly, Chinese and Korean women do not, as a tradition, discard their maiden names after marriage." I can understand them being offended, as in their culture, a chinese taking on their husband's surname would have been "unheard of".
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The point about her last name is irrelevent. When she married Stephen Clarkson 40 years or so ago it was almost unheard of for women to keep their maiden names. To use this as a criticism of her for ignoring her Chinese heritage is silly. Formeruser-83 02:21, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: The "maiden name" article is worded very badly. I shall edit it after this. I'm Chinese and what she did makes perfect sense. Since she married an English person, she just followed the English custom with her name. Her "English" surname wasn't even Chinese. Now in Chinese it would just sound weird to add an extra three sounds (Clarkson) to her name. Nothing to do with heritage, which in any case only applies to the Chinese name written in Chinese. 219.77.98.28 13:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarkson 

message: Is last month's protest really noteworthy enough to merit inclusion in an article about her.  As it's listed, it seems to be dissatisfaction about her actions on a relatively unimportant trip.  Rather trivial for an article about her, and probably wouldn't be noticed, I daresay, if it wasn't a current event at the time of insertion.  Shouldn't this be removed? Cafemusique 22:15, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This incident will probably be long forgotten a month from now, and is likely too trivial to be included in an overview of her life and career, like this encyclopedia article.--Indefatigable 23:13, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vancouver Protest 

message: Although the article tries to represent various points of view, overall the article is negative, constantly citing "some monarchists". First of all, monarchists as a group are a minority; vocal monarchists are smaller again. Monarchists who spend most of their time attacking the Queen's representative end up defeating their own cause by undermining support for a monarchy. Let's face it, the UK monarchy has been in retreat since Charles I was beheaded. That said, it would be nice to say something positive about Madame Clarkson. I am old enough to remember every Canadian Governor General since 1952. Although most were dignified and worthy of the office, some stood out as distinguished and inspirational - Georges Vanier was a magnificent figure and person who commanded respect. Clarkson is hardly in his saintly category, but she commands respect for her intellect and love of Canada. Read her speeches, they are very good. There has NEVER been a time in Canadian history when the OFFICE of GG has not been criticized as a waste of money, but then there are people who seem to think that any government activity of any sort is a waste of money. So what! government goes on and changes itself as required. So, couldn't one of you get rid of the picayune criticisms and focus on Clarkson's dignitas and gravitas. She will be leaving office soon. Let's hope her successor is as committed to the promotion of Canadian culture in Canada and abroad, and not a political hack.--BrentS 15:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think BrentS has the right idea here, the article definitely has some NPOV problems. Currently almost half of the article is listing her bad press while in office. Though she's worthy of criticism, it should be toned-down. The article focuses too much on the public's opinion of what she did rather than what she did on its own. It might work better if the article first discusses what she did or did not accomplish as GG, then followed by the public criticism of her actions/inactions.  --PullUpYourSocks 00:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be noted that John Ralston Saul in his career has managed to piss off quit a number of prominant people, and that it is speculated that much of the critisisms against Clarkson, particularly in the first couple of years, were actually veiled attacks on him -- Dowew 21:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  An article that dwells on the negatives 

message: Is it safe to say that Clarkson was the first GG to have the Order of Canada prior to becoming the GG ? Dowew 23:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Canada 

message: These are some screencaps of Clarkson hosting The Fifth Estate I took with my digital camera Dowew 03:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but these screen caps make her look like a demonic cult leader or something. Is there any screencap with her interviewing someone? --Kvasir 08:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifth Estate Screencaps 

message: I am moving the photo gallery in here for a while so that the main page is now slowed down and so that it doesn't violate wikipedia's policy about fair use photos
Image:PaulAnkaOrderofCanada.jpg|Presenting the Order of Canada
Image:Denys ArcandtheorderofCanada2005crowncopyright.jpg|Presenting the Order of Canada
Image:ClarksonandQueen2005.jpg|Clarkson & The Queen
Image:ClarksonSaulRemembranceCC.jpg|Clarkson & Saul attend remembrance day ceremonies
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message: Is there a reason why this article and Michaëlle Jean are in :Category:Military of Canada? Ziggurat 00:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military 

message: Does anyone know if Clarkson knows Hoi-San (Hoi-San) /Toi-San (Cantonese) /Tai-Shan (Mandarin) dialect of Chinese? 132.205.44.134 01:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toi-San /Tai-Shan /Hoi-San 

message: Am I right in thinking that the new Hong Kong flag is the wrong flag to use? Biofoundationsoflanguage 09:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to the 1910-1959 Hong Kong flag. Biofoundationsoflanguage 17:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born Hong Kong flag 

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message: I removed mention of Clarkson's membership from her full title; I'm not sure that membership in the Privy Council is mentioned in one's title, nor, if it is, what the correct format is. I'd prefer to see a source or example of some kind, as the result may affect all articles on former Canadian governors general. --Miesianiacal (talk) 21:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: I am wondering whom placed the insignia of the Canadian Forces Decoration for Madame Clarkson's page. The reason being that, a) after 22 years of service within the Canadian Forces does a person receive the first bar, and b) the representation of the bars of the C.D. are rossettes, not a crowned shield of the Coat of Arms. 
Lastly, Madame Clarkson received her C.D. as Governor General, in 1999. She would have to wait 22 years to get the first bar, I would assume, and therefore, should not receive it until 2021, and that is, if Madame Clarkson continues to have an honorary rank of the Canadian Forces. Ctjj.stevenson (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be right about the rosette. As for whether or not she would wear one however, Clarkson was awarded the CD upon her installation as governor general, not after 12 years service in the forces; it would seem then that she would've been granted the clasp in 2009. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Her Canadian Forces Decoration

message: There should be a section dedicated to her travel expense scandal. 
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/topstories/20040819/clarkson_travel_040819/
This came up in the news many times, especially her 40 person arctic farewell junket  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.199.44 (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject of the state visits to arctic nations undertaken by Clarkson at the direction of the prime minister and DFAIT two years before she left office is already covered in the article. It does not need its own section. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel Expense Controversy  

message: The Canadian Encyclopedia has been changing its links.  I fixed one, but there are several article about this subject, and I'm not sure which one was meant as the reference.  Maybe someone who has been working on this article will check them over.  —Anne Delong (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

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I have just modified 2 external links on Adrienne Clarkson. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120429152912/http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/29/john-fraser-a-national-regent-with-a-vision/ to http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/29/john-fraser-a-national-regent-with-a-vision/
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Adrienne Clarkson. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090202161404/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040930.wxclarkson29/BNStory/National/ to https://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040930.wxclarkson29/BNStory/National/
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090202161409/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070205.wmilclark0205/BNStory/National/home to https://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070205.wmilclark0205/BNStory/National/home
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thread_title:  External links modified