Talk:Sonic and the Secret Rings/Archive 1

message: I already suspected it, and the game seems to confirm it. Don't you think like Knuckles is Sinbad, Tails is Ali Baba and the Eggman is the King, Sonic plays the role of Alladin in a revamped version of the old story, with the difference he is the only one to have conscience he truly is Sonic?
:Interesting theory...  I suppose that only time will tell...  --Luigifan 12:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic plays the role of Aladdin?

message: I just watched the new Sonic and the Secret Rings trailer and they used the other trailer 3D stuff.  This time the voice had changed tempo and other things changed to make it sound less like the Sonic Riders game.  It might have meant that Jason is doing the voice or Jason did a trailer because they haven't gotten another actor yet. User:Sonicxtreme 2:55 PM, 01 October, 2006
:It's possible but y'never know. It could change.Knuckles sonic8 02:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jason Griffith?

message: Perhaps this isn't the place to write this, but if you ask me, this game (slightly hokey storyline aside) looks like it will be more traditional and more faithful to the way most of us remember and prefer Sonic, as opposed to the 360 and PS3 title, which is increasingly adding new elements on which "The jury is still out" on (in my opinion, anyway).  What are your guy's thoughts? - Nepharski 5:35 PM, 28 May 2006
: You're pretty right. I thought the recent trailer made the once awesome game look horrible. I'll try it anyways, but I've lost most of my hype. THIS game on the other hand = yes. --Luigifan13 20:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The TRUE Spiritual Successor

message: Since Sonic's the only playable character, does this mean there aren't any
supporting characters? --Alexie 17:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character problem

message: What is with all the name changing?! Here's Sega's web page announcing the game, and it clearly says "Wild Fire", 2 words. Link -- VederJuda 22:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name?

message: It seems to be true, watch the videos at IGN.com, you hear Sonic talking and "yelling" as usual, and it sounds like Jason's voicing him, again!
*That's not necesarrily bad news.  Some of the voice actors on Sonic X are actually quite suited to their roles, but the scripting department gives them less than "inspired" dialogue.  Robotnik's new voice actor, for instance, is actually very, VERY good, in my opinion, and It's not as if they can get Deem back, unfortunately.  Still, this doesn't mean we have to forgive them for kicking out Ryan Drummond, which will forever remain an inexcuseable offense. - Nepharski5:43 PM, 28 May 2006
Of course they are. From Sonic Rush and Shadow the Hedgehog to future games. The kick out was bad but you can't get Deem back. The dude is dead. Anyways Jason kinda did a good job in this one. Hoping he did as good in the new Sonic 2k6 game for the 360 and PS3. Eggman (Robotnik) has a good voice actor but to me it sounds a little too high pitch, like he's not that serious and he's just some silly old guy. But he's still good. Deem id best (in my opinion) in Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Rouge were best there too. But why does everyone hate the new english voices. They aren't bad. I just think everyone's getting a grudge or something.
Axidous 21, July 2006
Rumor has it that Sonic and the Secret Rings might be the last game to feature the 4kids cast.
That rumor has been uncomfirmed according to Jason himself. --Coconutfred73 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  4kids is voicing in this game, unfortunately. 

message: I dont see any basis for super sonic, while the wifi and babylon rouges have more basis for them
:And what basis is that? Unless someone can provide a link to a reputable source, errant fanspeculation should be taken out. -- VederJuda 02:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: It's a theory, at least.  And I've seen the theory on forums, so there has to be a consensus of some kind.  03:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the Wi Fi speculation? 

message: I've seen the article, and I think The Wiire screwed up its paraphrasing when it said the game was in development for two years. The article said "The development started this year", which I imply to mean early 2006, so the game has been in development for half a year. And "In terms of testing, we have been working on it since last year.", so sometime in 2005; to me, it sounds like they spent last year fooling around with the machine to figure out what they could do with it, without actually creating anything. From what I read in the article, the game has been in development for 7 months, tops. -- VederJuda 10:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Years in development? 

message: When did he become the designer for this game? As a matter of fact is he even involved with this game? I thought it was someone else, I think Yojiro Ogawa or something.
(YAADS 14:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Takashi Iizuka? 

message: The final title is Sonic and the Secret Rings Grandmastergalvatron 14:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why somebody did a copy and paste job(the CORRECT thing to do is to use the move button at the top) since the title was NEVER "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings". I've fixed it by merging the pages back into the correct name. TJ Spyke 19:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, thanks. I guess Sega changed it but didn't like how it sounded so they decided to change it back. TJ Spyke 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, not likely. It was referred to consistently as SatSR before/after the Leipzig convention, with one sole SatSotR in the demo there. Someone goofed, nothing more. Rolken 10:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it was not a goof.  The Secret Book in the released version of the game shows various potential logos for the game, and there are multiple logos saying "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings" in multiple languages.  -Unknownwarrior33 18:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Title

message: Please, it's Eggman. Plain and simple. The fact that the official E3 trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen) has the words "Dr. Eggman's plans" written clearly in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X91mKBO0s9c) also proves the fact that his official name IS Dr. Eggman. I don't think a trailer would use a "nickname" when it's narrating, unless the narrator is Sonic or something.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.227.13.149 (talk • contribs) 
:People call him Eggman a lot now, but his official English name is Dr. Robotnik. Also, please sign your comments (and consider registering). TJ Spyke 02:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, your opinion would carry more weight if you were registered or at least signed your posts. Second, I pointed out how Sega's official Sonic website calls him Robotnik. Check the profile section at www.sega.com/sonic TJ Spyke 02:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It is your opinion. They CALL him Eggman, but his name is officiall Robotnik, have you never heard of a NICKNAME? TJ Spyke 02:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, did you read my comment? His name is Robotnik, they just call him Eggman since that is his nickname. Also, sign your comments, it's not that hard. TJ Spyke 02:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even check Sega's website? I feel like I am arguing with a brick wall here. TJ Spyke 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Eggman is what they generally call him now, that doesn't mean it's his name. It's like how Nintendo doesn't call Bowser "Bowser Koopa" even though that is his name. TJ Spyke 03:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You have it backwards, Robotnik is his name and Eggman just his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Just because they only call him Eggman does not mean that his name has changed to Eggman. TJ Spyke 20:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to have to agree that his name should be Eggman on this page.  He has been referred to as "Dr. Eggman" since Sonic Adventure 1, the character himself has exclusively called himself by that name since Sonic Adventure 2, and the official Sonic website does not have him listed as Dr. Robotnick, but as Dr. Eggman.  On the matter of what he should be called, I'm going to put my faith in the official name that is in current use by Sega. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 03:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you go to the official Sonic website (sega.com/sonic) and go to the character profile section you will see that they call him Dr. Robotnik. TJ Spyke 04:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are you seeing this "character profile" section?  On every game description listed on the website--stretching back even to the original "Sonic the Hedgehog" title released in 1991--the website refers to him as Dr. Eggman. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 18:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php, click on "World of Sonic", then click on "All about Sonic", then "Sonic characters". They call him "Dr. Robotnik aka Eggman". TJ Spyke 19:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even in that profile description, he is only called "Eggman".  In fact, the only time that he is called Dr. Robotnick on the official site is in the title of this profile, and even there he is also reffered to as Eggman.  Given the wealth of official information that supports his name being Dr. Eggman, and one measley reference on the website that mentions Robotnick (and even in that reference, Eggman is still pointed to being his name), and the fact there is no Dr. Robotnick page on Wikipedia while there is a Dr. Eggman page, and the character is universally reffered to as "Dr. Eggman" across Wikipedia, I think it's more than safe to say that he should just be called "Dr. Eggman" on this page.  Anything else would be unhelpful and borderline misrepresentative. But if you really disagree still, I'd suggest taking your argument to the discussion page on Dr. Eggman; it'd be more appopriate to discuss it there, where if changed it could effect every single page talking about Dr. Eggman, rather than just here (which is the way it should be for consistency across Wikipedia pages). –Prototime (talk • contribs) 23:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's fine the way it is unless something from the game(i.e. an instruction booklet) says something else because the characters name is technically Robotnik. TJ Spyke 02:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The name "Dr. Robotnik" was used as recently as Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Riders. Robotnik is still canonical. I do believe Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 established that his real name is Dr. Robotnik (hence his grandfather, even in the Japanese version, is Gerald Robotnik), with Eggman/Dr. Eggman as his common name. They're interchangeable, but Eggman has gotten more widespread use since Sonic Adventure due to Sonic constantly calling him as such. --Guess Who 19:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is never called "Robotnik" in the games after Sonic Adventure 1, despite his grandfather having the last name.  He never even calls himself Robotnik after that game.  Only Dr. Eggman. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with the SA reference.
TJ spike is right. He is only called Eggman here due to the fact that it was all done in Japan, in which where they have always call him by that name. Just leave it alone. Starmenclock 21:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I agree.  This is not the place for this debate.  This page will reflect whatever the character is called elsewhere on Wikipedia. If you want it changed so bad, then get a consensus to change the Doctor Eggman page.  Sheesh. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on his page the consensus is that is name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. TJ Spyke 21:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice effort, but you have NOT proven me wrong. I know they call him Dr. Eggman because thats his NICKNAME. Your link does not say that is his real name. You have yet to provide any evidence that says his Eggman is his normal nickname and not his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem is that i'm not wrong. His real name is ROBOTNIK, and I have never seen Sega say that Eggman was anything other than his nickname. Am I supposed to believe that Calvin Broadus's real name is Snoop Dogg because that is the only name he uses? No, what about CM Punk? Just because someone might only use one name doesn't make that their real name. TJ Spyke 04:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's Eggman 

message: Well, the page just had a vandalism attack, even though it was kinda minor, but still. The test "Sonic Porn Now" was in all caps and was repeated several times throughout the page. If I knew how to revert pages back to their initial state, I would have done that but all I could have done was eliminate all of the vandalism. I think, for the moment, it may be a bit of a precaution but, we should disable editing of this page from new/unregistered users. Knuckles sonic8 02:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read this Help:Reverting for info on how to revert vandalism. TJ Spyke 02:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandal Alert...

message: Don't you think this game is a heckuva lot like SegaSonic the Hedgehog? --Blah2 11:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxyr (talk • contribs) 
1.No
2.You can say "helluva", we're not on Gamespot or something.Which is how I got banned from the forums.Centurion Ry 11:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities 

message: I'm curious over a few screenshots I've seen lately. Here's one where there's a red ring. Ideas of what that is? .
Another one is of a screenshot of the jungle level but with a catapult and an egg . As I put down on the page, I'm assuming each stage will feature multiple acts since this does not seem to be the exact same stage as was mentioned earlier. "Dinosaur Island" seems to be less bright in appearance.
 Could this be the first boss for the game; for Sand Oasis? . On that note, the dinosaur you see here , I think it's safe to say this is the boss for Dinosaur Jungle.
Two more things I never saw before: . Any thoughts on any of these? If any finds any other screenshots that deserve mention, you can discuss them here as well. Knuckles sonic8 01:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm back with some new news. Apparently, that whole treasure chest thing actually allows you to use its wings to hover to higher platforms once you come across it and, I am right when I say that there ARE multiple acts involved in the game, as both notices are revealed by this source: . Whether there are 2 Stage Acts and a Boss Act, 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act is currently unknown, although, judging from this video, I think it may be 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act but it's not confirmed. But, I think it's safe to say that that purple dinosaur is, indeed, the boss for the "Dinosaur Island" stage, as I'm sure that crab I mentioned earlier is. Good news! :D Knuckles sonic8 20:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Whoops. It's actually a "pot". :P  Pause the video as soon as it starts and you'll see it. It actually says how to use it too: "shake the controller". Knuckles sonic8 20:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshot Discussion 

message: Ridiculously high number of external links just to screenshots in the levels section; one or two per level might be acceptable. I've added a cleanup tag. SynergyBlades 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay; there's still a fair number. I do have to ask though - do we really need a blow-by-blow account of how the levels will be played? This is an encyclopedia, let's not forget - not a gaming/previews website. SynergyBlades 15:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Levels 

message: Whoever put down a paragraph under others that involved the opinions of the person shouldn't do that. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion box. If you want one of those, go to a chat room.
Yes, please. And the vandal that kept well.. doing what he does best, hopefully, won't try a stunt like that again (not referring to same person; different IP). I'm still laughing when people do this. Knuckles sonic8 21:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop putting garbage down 

message: We know that SEGA's intention is having the users calling simply Sonic the Hedgehog to their new Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game, due to all the "series reinvention" and "series restarting" thing they are proud of and defend. But I really think there should be a minimal distinction when pointing out this game in another Sonic's games articles. We should not simply trust on what the links point out, because not everyone is in the obligation on clicking it to check that out. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, being its premise to make things very clear to their users since the fist moment, and not just when they have made a mouse click on the link. Seriously, we are not going to harm or violate any game title copyright or license if we just put a 2006 specification into parenthesis after the Sonic the Hedgehog game's title (resulting in something like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)), because that's the function of a parenthesis: an explanation to make things clear in order to avoid any tipe of confussion nor inaccuracy, placed apart from the real text (in this case, game's real title). Wesker85 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't done for other articles though. For example, when talking about a movie that has been remade (like King Kong) the date is only addded when talking about more than one version of it (to set them apart). Since this only mentions the 2006 version (and not the Master System or Genesis version), there is no need to add 2006 to it. TJ Spyke 23:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 reference 

message: See for yourselves, everyone. I'm thinking we should add it to the article: http://www.gamecrazy.com/games/game.aspx?ID=11324, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IONGVI/ref=dp_image_text_0/002-2797934-7851238?ie=UTF8&n=468642&s=videogames. Knuckles sonic8 00:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there proof that it is real? I remember that Zelda: TP had a lot of fake box art showing up (hell, IGN even had the fake box art days before the game came out). TJ Spyke 00:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know really, I just think there should be some proof that it is real and not just one of these temporary boxes retailers sometimes list for games. TJ Spyke 01:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay. I'll get back to this. Knuckles sonic8 02:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Temporary art is generally already-released art slapped on a template with a logo thrown on top. This art has yet to be released on anything other than this box art. I think it is safe to assume it is real. --Guess Who 00:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think so too. Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd put the picture on the page...but I don't know how....63.227.1.55 06:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Me neither. :P Can anyone help us? Knuckles sonic8 01:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: More sources have revealed it testifying to the fact that it may, indeed, be official: ,  Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it. TJ Spyke 02:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your help, although, nothing shows up for me... Knuckles sonic8 03:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's wierd: When you type in "Sonic wii" in the search box, the article with the newly-added image shows up. But if you type "Sonic and the Secret Rings", the same article shows up....with the OLD image.63.227.1.55 04:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Told ya! And TJ, it's up now thanks again. It looks nice the way you put it in. Knuckles sonic8 20:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wicked New Boxart!

message: Does Sonic's "wildifire" power come from that ring he's wearing on his finger? (I just noticed that too.) DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Question 

message: I've looked around, and this  article seems to show evidence of branching paths, but it seems to be the only source verifying it. Should it be included along with the rest? Or should I wait for more confirmation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.7.49 (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Branching paths? 

message: After a long while, the JPN site  has been updated!! 
Sweet! According to this source , this is what everything says translated, in a nutshell:
"Everyone knowing, anyone can enjoy the world of (Japanese Characters) to the stage, bodily sensation action created of "simplicity operation"! Sonic it comes to the point of going on a journey to the venture which rescues the world of (Japanese Characters). It keeps awaking in new ability giving with "the ring" of the puzzle which applies from spirit of the ring. Being exotic, (Japanese Characters) fusing the high speed action only of sonic and the function only of the Wii controller to the world view which overflows. With simplicity and intuitively know operation, furthermore power the speed impression and the refreshing impression of raising bodily sensation will be done! ! Series beginning! "Sonic it evolves" Freely using the skill of 100 types, it captures the mission of 100 types! As for prayer character of this work only sonic. But, spirit by the fact that "(Japanese Characters)" of the ring and venture are repeated, bewitchment of shear (Japanese Characters) (skill) giving sonic you apply keeps levelling up steadily. It can customize skill of 100 types or more, according to the taste of the prayer! Aim toward most fast clearing with sonic also the mission adjust the mission of 100 types or more, to your own capture method! Furthermore with new system "speed break" "time break", until now it is not, actualizing "super high speed & super feeling"! The venture which the child and the adult can enjoy (Japanese Characters), and the family and the friend the party game which rises 30 types or more! "Lamp" venture etc "of (Japanese Characters) and magic" and 40 thief "Sindbad". ... Everyone knowing, (Japanese Characters) it will venture to sonic and simultaneous! Doing it does, just that there is no interest of this work. How, the framework kind of framework which consumed the function of the Wii controller, until now is not, the party game of (Japanese Characters) has been even 30 types or more! Even if even if it ventures thoroughly with 1 person also, 4 people getting together, it rises, method and interest of playing, with this 1 large completeness! !"
Nice. Enjoy the walth of information provided. In addition, we have a new stage that has been revealed plus two new mini-games. Pretty sweet but it gets better. Next month, Nintendo Power is doing a cover story on the game so you can only imagine how much info will be divukged then. ;) Can't wait. Knuckles sonic8 20:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sega JPN Sonic site 

message: Courtesy of Blackarms.
Here
and
Here  
And, if you want to see the forum link...
Here it is
Yes, I just read this in my own copy of the issue.  I feel a major update is in order... 207.148.203.114 18:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Scans 

message: ^^ Yes, you are correct about the major update needed. Here are a few highlights that should be added: 
First off, we all know now that Knuckles, Tails and Eggman have ALL been confirmed to appear in this "different light" and now we all know what this "light" really is. Sonic has two special abilities (kinda reminds of Shadow the Hedgehog): Speed Break and Time Break. Apparently, there is a misunderstanding: one site claimed Secret Rings has 10 stages but in fact has 8; 10 missions but 12 in fact.
Adding more: Players can reach up to and possibly over "Level 60", unless this was an exaggeration.  Knuckles sonic8 16:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Information Updates

message: I was at my local Future Shop today and on the "Upcoming" Bulletin Board, it listed Sonic and the Secret Rings as coming out to the store on March 1st! In other words, the claim that February 28th is the release date may in fact be true! Knuckles sonic8 02:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: I just got the latest issue of Nintendo Power, and it has a whole bunch of new information about this game.  It says there are "eight stages in Sonic and the Secret Rings, each consisting of 12 missions with different stipulations".  Again, there's tons of info in the magazine if anyone has it.  I'm just not sure exactly how to cite the magazine on the page; I did my best though.  (If anyone can show me where Wikipedia sets its standards for citing things like articles, I'd love to see, because I just could not find it.) --67.142.130.34 03:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eight stages total (new information in latest Nintendo Power) 

message: I am not sure but can anyone confirm this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.129.89.36 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soul meter = Wildfire meter ? 

message: http://www.famitsu.com/fwtv/#
Click on the video screen near the bottom with SEGA on it to find this new stuff. Some Evil Foundry footage, and one or two stages I cannot place. Also, multiplayer characters are Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Blaze, Shadow, Cream, and Silver. Yes, Shadow is here in 2-P. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.9.50 (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A whole barrage of gameplay footage  

message: Yeah, but he actaully sounds so much better than where he started. Listen: . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 (talk) 23:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason Griffith is voicing Sonic again 

message: I was watching the sonic trailer again  and I noticed that Sonic was able to do his speed boost even when his wildfire meter wasn't filled up?! I thought that it had to be filled up. Does anyone know anything I don't?Unknownlight 02:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic's speed boost? 

message: I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning them specifically, though I know that there is some association between them and the Arabian Nights theme—Babylon is located in the middle east, and in Sonic Riders it is said that they are decended from genies. I'm just as happy with leaving them in there as an example of a character who is not known to be in the game, but is it worth mentioning any unconfirmed characters at all? -- VederJuda 13:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Knuckles sonic8 changed the article to say they were in it, and also added that Amy was a princess of some sort; both of which come from the Famitsu article (he only linked the source to Amy, but he did on the Babylon Rogues article.) I just figured that he could read Japanese and read the article for the info, instead of gleaming it from a picture, since there's no picture showing Amy in the story mode. Since I cannot read Japanese, and can only see the picture, I can't say whether or not they are in there. -- VederJuda 12:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, look. First off, I cannot read Japanese but I read a translation of it. Secondly, maybe I exaggerated a bit with Amy Rose's princess figure. I DID realize that it's the Sonic Shuffle picture of her but it seems like she has feathers above her head in the picture, that's how I came to that conclusion. Next, the Babylon Rogues ARE in the game. But regarding what AXB-H said, you're right, they are artworks from games. The first page is called "History" according to the translation. It displays shots form games. As you can see, it does so in a logical sequence. 15 is Riders (although 06 probably should've been that but maybe they're not putting it in) 13 is Heroes, 11 is SA2, 10 is Shuffle and as for 7, I'm not sure but it SEEMS to be Chaotix but that's just an assumption. Getting to my point, the game's unlockables on this page take the form of Shuffle. If any of you have played it, you would know. Certain pictures in Shuffle allowed players to unlock new things. Most likely, this is the case here. Certain pictures will allow you to unlock new characters on this page. That is how I got to the conclusion of Jet. There is another source too but it's on GameFAQS and you may not find that very reliable so I try my best to avoid sources from GameFAQS wherever possible. Sonic Stadium also supports this too if I'm not mistaken. I'm trying my best to explain myself so I hope I did a pretty good job. If you're still confused, I'll be sure to clear any misconceptions up. In the meantime, I'm heading over right now to change my phrase about Amy's role. Knuckles sonic8 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean the GameFAQs message boards, cause that's obviously not a good source, unless its a link to another more reliable source, in which case you'd point to that instead. Ultimately all this bickering is kind of pointless since the game is out in two weeks and then we'll know for certain. -- VederJuda 17:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, something else to point out. The PRIMA Strategy Guide comes out soon and when it does, scans will be made. At that time, we can replace GameFAQS sources on the page with more reliable ones. Also, ONM comes out with an 8-page review on the 16th I believe. That's something else to look forward to. In both cases, more information will be divulged once I come to learn of it. Would you guys like me to post every bit of information I find in the next two weeks, regardless of where it's source is from? Knuckles sonic8 17:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Either of those would be pretty reliable. -- VederJuda 17:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Knuckles sonic8, I don't recall any confirmation that the Babylon Rogues were in the game. Jet is cameoing in the game, we know that for a fact--but any physical appearances in-game haven't been revealed, yet. Doesn't mean he isn't, but it still is no confirmation. If you've got a CONFIRMATION that Jet (or the Babylon Rogues in general) is in the game, that'd be one thing. --Ultima 21:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I do, but you'll have to wait a week. :) Knuckles sonic8 21:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, but personal sources can't be cited. I expected the Rogues to appear for a long time, but personal speculations shouldn't be cited here, nor should personal sources. Unless we know for a solemn fact, from a source that Wikipedia can reference, leave it out. --Ultima 14:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babylon Rogues 

message: Alright, EGM's latest magazine has been released and their eight-page review of Sonic and the Secret Rings is out. I don't have the article myself, but others have mentioned it. Feel free to keep this info out of the article until you can get it yourself, but here's what I've heard about it.
In the realm of information, not much is given. The review is pretty nice, though. They gave it an 81% (they gave Shadow a 60% and Riders 47% [though I don't understand why], I do believe). Cons include lack of speed at the beginning (it gets faster as you level up), dynamic camera views cause difficulties in gameplay the first time playing through them, and some areas can cause repetitive death until you figure it out--and once you do, it's generally easy to pass.
The Party Mode (according to them) is alright, but needs some more work. They said that each player usually only gets about one round in the minigames, which makes it go by a little too fast (obviously this is only during the turn-based minigames).
Now lastly, some game info. They actually didn't reveal much, though. They did confirm that Aladdin was in the game, though, but didn't say who played him. They also mentioned that the "lose-twenty-rings-per-hit" is a special ability that needs to be unlocked and equipped. Nice review, but not a lot of info. --Ultima 15:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's from the UK's Official Nintendo Magazine, not EGM. --User:Guess Who. not signed in
And the "lost-twenty-rings" thing was already in the article, put up by yours truly. You missed a bit of info which I'll get to in a minute. Knuckles sonic8 19:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EGM Article 

message: will Shadow be in the story mode —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonicrules (talk • contribs) 01:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shadow IS in the game. However, it is not known if he's in the Story at all. Kelvingreen, I do believe that the person above is asking if Shadow's in the Story in general, as opposed to being playable. Personally, I think that Shadow will be in the Story--but I think that Silver will play Aladdin, not Shadow. Shadow ought to be the sorcerer from Aladdin, but that's just my personal opinion. --Ultima 19:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't doubt that, but we'd need a source. Thanks for not posting it in the article without a reliable source, though. --Ultima 22:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please remove it. The source has been reliable in the past, but not by Wikipedia standards. We'll put it up as soon as the game is released and the info comes out, but not now. --Ultima 23:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow in Sonic and the secret rings 

message: Target is having an offer in which a bonus DVD featuring an "interactive" Sonic comic by Archie is available when the game is purchased there. Is this worth mentioning here?
:I think so; I'll add it when I get a chance. -Unknownwarrior33 18:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bonus DVD

message: Honestly, where's the fun-loving genie from Disney's Aladdin?  See the section on Erazor Djinn in this article.  --Luigifan 03:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but Disney's Aladdin is nothing like the original story. This is loosely based on the original Arabian Nights story, not a copyrighted version made by Disney. --Ultima 04:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Well, so much for "Forty thousand years can give you such a crick in the neck!!!"

message: The article states that Metal Sonic is in the game, is that true? 206.66.217.143 16:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't Metal Sonic, that's Sonic's "super form" in the game, Darkspine Sonic. --Guess Who 20:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Metal Sonic cameo appearances in an unlockable movie, and rants about how he's "under appreciated." Well, at least, an inside source stated this. As such, it shouldn't be referenced in the article until it's confirmed. Yes, though, that above is Darkspine Sonic, which is a new type of Super Form for Sonic (but is like Dark Super Sonic from Sonic X). --Ultima 00:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He appears in an unlockable movie, therefore he's not in the game, or at least the game's story. --Guess Who 07:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Sonic??? 

message: Is Big the Cat really in this game? --Coconutfred73 02:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. He makes random cameo appearances like in Sonic Adventure 2. --Ultima 04:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big the Cat?

message: They said in the review for Secret Rings that it was, quote "The greatest 3D Sonic game ever". HOWEVER, it only got a 6.9, SAB2 got a 9.4. Now, theres a difference there. Someone on the forums pointed that out, and they responded with "they were dillusional as they were dazzled by the new 3D"
The graphics weren't "beautiful" for the time, they were PREVIOUS GEN grpahics, SAB2 was a port of a dreamcast game. when this was pointed out, the member was banned. I honestly hate IGN.
:The Dreamcast and the GameCube were in the same generation. --Guess Who 21:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IGN reviews

message: Have his gloves and shoes on when he is on Darkspine form. I ask this because of the articles (especially this one) seems to contradict whether or not he does. At one point it says he gloves and shoes are indigo blue then contradicts itself by saying "with gloves and shoes removed". Just wanted to point that out. magiciandude 01:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it still says that his gloves are indigo blue yet it says that it is removed (not complaining or anything). I'm going to ahead take a guess that he doesn't wear gloves in this form. Also, the buckle on his shoes doesn't appear. So maybe he doesn't wear shoes in this form after all. Maybe those stripes are actually marks on his feet just like on his forehead? Just a thought. magiciandude 21:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Sonic have or does not... 

message: Does anyone know who does Erazor's voice ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.227.22.48 (talk) 00:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List the entire actor list, then we'll try and compare to see which one sounds most like Erazor. --Ultima 23:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparantly Peter Cormican is some Opera singer who did a few Broadway plays in NY. I guess they just picked him up and said "Hey! Wanna do a voice for a video game?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirbopher (talk • contribs) 03:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erazor's voice ? 

message: The quote near the beginning of this article says "The game will not make extensive use of the Nunchuk peripheral, but it will be used in some of the mini-games in the Party mode of the game."  The article referenced says "We tried the Nunchuk controller and other things, but we ended up knowing that holding the controller sideways would allow players to play the game for a long time without getting tired. As a contrast, in the party mode, we wanted players to fully use the controller in different ways."  It neither explicitly or implicitly states that the nunchuck is used at all; in fact it appears to me that it states the nunchuck is not used.  The game does make use of the controller in "different ways," i.e., pointing, shaking, and positioning it in a certain direction, but I don't believe it uses the nunchuck at all.  Correct me if I'm wrong? Yubimusubi 21:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nunchuck ? 

message: The infobox in the Voice Actors section says that Big's voice actor is Oliver and yes that's true, but should that really be there? I mean Big never actually talks in the game and Oliver isn't mentioned in the end credits, so should his voice actor really be there? I'll remove it until further notice. --Coconutfred73 02:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big's voice actor information

message: Sonic and the secret ring is kind of popular,
look at the links  and it is also #1 on wanted faqs on gamefaqs  -StrongCool 04:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look at this 

message: The section currently reads "An evil genie/djinn named Erazor who threatens the existence of the Arabian Nights world. Erazor is the genie from Aladdin and the Magic Lamp (whether he is Aladdin's genie or Jafar's genie form is unknown)"... um, yeah, I don't think this game is based on the Disney adaptation.
It isn't. And that statement has been deleted.Unknownlight 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Erazor's profile

message: Whoever keep's putting Big's voice actor in the infobox in the Voice Actors section STOP!!! Big doesn't talk in the game therefore his voice actor shouldn't be in the infobox! --Coconutfred73 02:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ENOUGH!!!!

message: Why is sonic and the secret rings labeled under sonic the hedgehog spin off titles? I don't know about sonic riders, but why secret rings?--S200048 22:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There a dicusion about this on the talk page of the Sonic games template. --Bobby D. DS. 19:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPIN OFF?? 

message: does this have a possibility of putting in the gamecube  contoller, it stan so on input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 12:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  gamecube controller 

message: Yes I know that there was a cleanup tag on the story section, but somebody deleted the entire middle of the story, skipping from the introduction to the Last Chapter. A cleanup tag means cleaning it up. Not deleting it. Unknownlight 05:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the story? 

message: It says that that Secret Rings is the first time that Sonic has been seened with hands and feet uncovered outside of the official artwork, but has been such an official artwork? magiciandude 19:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never have seen one, that's why I asked. magiciandude 22:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it's not official artwork, but it's in game. What else do you want? Unknownlight 03:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If that's the case, then I'm deleting the official artwork park. Unknownlight 22:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little question about the trivia 

message: Also, we should note the ending theme for the game, "Worth a Chance", in the music section
--Superbub 22:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason Grifith? How about Adam Caroleson? 

message: That's WRONG. NO character plays the role of anyone. That would be saying that the characters have also somehow gotten into the Arabian Nights and are "acting" as their counterparts, also forgetting everything about Sonic or the outside world. That's not true! Dr. Eggman does NOT play the role of King Shahryar, Tails does NOT play the role of Ali Baba, and Knuckles does NOT play the role of Sinbad! Dr. Eggman and King Shahryar are separate characters, Tails and Ali Baba are separate characters, and Knuckles and Sinbad are separate characters. They resemble each other, but they each live in different worlds and always have. Think of it as alternate versions of the character, but it's impossible for them to be the same character (or one 'playing the role of' the other). Hence, the character list should not have Eggman, Tails, and Knuckles while saying that they're playing the role of other characters, but rather King Shahryar, Ali Baba, and Sinbad while noting that they share a resemblance to Eggman, Tails, and Knuckles (who, except for perhaps Eggman, appear normally in multiplayer). 208.101.148.128 12:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, and no! Listen, when you say they are "playing the roles" of these characters, you're saying that Tails IS Ali Baba, Knuckles IS Sinbad, and Eggman IS King Shahryar. That is ERRONEOUS. They are not "playing" those parts. They are what you'd consider "physical counterparts", but they are not supposed to be the same characters, thus not playing those parts. Period. 208.101.130.232 12:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Plays the role of"...?