Talk:2006 Ohio gubernatorial election

message: I've seen references to this "smear" appear in several articles now ... in a still-very-short article about an election campaign in which not a single issue position of either candidate is mentioned, this sort of ephemera is unencyclopedic unless it becomes the defining issue of the campaign, which I imagine it will not be.  Blackwell's quote about how homosexuality is curable is much more notable; at least it came from the candidate.  Thus I am removing this reference for now.--Inonit 17:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Smear" 

message: In the introduction, it mentions that Ken Blackwell is an "African-American Republican". I think this reference is irrevelant at best, if not somewhat suspect. When we see the picture of him in the article we can determine his ethnicity anyway. Thus I'm removing this language. Bcirker 16:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotta say I disagree pretty strongly here. African-American outreach is a big emphasis with the GOPers these days, and African-American Republicans are still pretty unusual.  I'd say it's on a par with mentioning that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, or that Ronald Reagan is a movie star.  In all cases one of the interesting things about the candidate is some aspect of his identity; I don't think it's suspect to mention it just because it happens to be race here.  Clearly it's relevant to voters -- at least black voters -- or Blackwell wouldn't get more black votes than other Republicans do (30-40% in previous races).  But not reverting yet; let's see what you (or others) think.--Inonit 18:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me clairify why I removed it. I agree that race could be a factor in the election, and the fact that Blackwell is African-American and Republican is unusual. However, the way it was described previously comes off as Tokenism. It did not also say "Ted Strickland is a White Democrat", which sounds kind of silly when you look at it from the other side. Certainly I think the article can and should discuss the effect that ethnicity may play, but perhaps it can be done in the polling section in terms of how various groups are leaning towards one candidate or another, rather than just including the token remark. Bcirker 19:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in my view, calling Strickland a "white Democrat" would indeed be silly, because white Democrats are not rare.  But maybe if Strickland were Asian it would make sense to mention his race as well (because a high-level Asian office-seeker is still relatively rare).  Or if he were Muslim (for example) it would also be highly notable.  I think I can agree with removing it from the first sentence where we are very formally describing the candidates.  But I think if we have any discussion of the candidates themselves that the fact that Blackwell is African-American would go in the first sentence, along with some attempt at neutrally wording "very conservative" or "socially conservative" or "socially and fiscally very conservative" or something.  With Strickland, the appropriate interesting facts would probably be "pro-gun-rights" or "anti-gun-control."  But there would be less about Strickland, I think.  I have long advocated that Blackwell be the protagonist in this article, as he is better-known nationally and more notable overall (his race being an important part of that notability, in my view).  But as you will see from the remainder of the Talk page my main task recently has been keeping less than half the article about minor party candidates. :) --Inonit 19:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race 

message: I'm new to this whole Wikipedia thing, but I noticed in this article the following statement under the Historical Background: National Attention page, which I do not think is true:
"Further illustrating the role of Ohio in 2008 is the fact that, throughout the history of the United States, there has never been an elected president who did not first win the electoral votes of Ohio."
I've heard this sort of thing before, but I think the truth is more like, all but two Presidents since World War II have won Ohio's electoral votes. Besides, there were several presidential elections before Ohio became a state in 1803. --Inexorability 03:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ohio's Electoral Votes 

message: I request everyone here date the new polls they add to the survey section by the last day the instruments were administered in the field, not the first date on which the polls made headlines. This gives the consumer of this page a better sense of the chronology of the "public opinion" documented by them. Earthliberator 17:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polling Dates 

message: I'm back (for better or worse, depending on your perspective), now that the election is over -- not to settle old scores, but to proceed with encyclopedia-izing this article.  I know there was some contentious discussion on this page about whether we were being "fair" to Fitrakis and Peirce during the campaign, etc.  I personally think of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, not a news outlet, and hence I disagreed with the journalism-style arguments, etc.  That discussion is over, and I conceded it during the campaign.  Now, I've started a good-faith effort to clean up the article to make it more encyclopedic both by de-emphasizing the candidates who turned out not to matter much (not a slap, just an observation of the results) and starting the process of contextualizing what happened.  Much more work to do, to which I hope many will contribute.  I just wanted to leave some sort of message since I'm making some bold edits already.--Inonit 14:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-election revisions 

message: Made a first attempt at fleshing that out a little bit, while not making it too long (there's another whole article on it).  I haven't yet made an effort to harmonize it with the main article, so that's on my to-do list unless someone gets to it first.  I think some better scrutiny of exit polls would give us more information about the degree to which it impacted Blackwell on Election Day.--Inonit 17:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackwell and 2004 

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