Talk:Mahatma Gandhi/Gandhi and the Jews: Whether he was 'Racist'

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.29.3 (talk) 00:32, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

message: This article appears to be mere hagiography; why are there no mentions of such Gandhi stances as
"I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed." and "The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs."? --Chris Martin 01:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that some context is offered if those quotations are added. There is a similarly embarrassing quotation about Hitler from Winston Churchhill, of all people. Before he invaded Poland, Hitler was mostly known for rescuing Germany from depression. Without context, the quotation regarding the Jews is more difficult to interpret charitably. --Goethean 02:43, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Goethean. I remember that Gandhi's above quotation was mainly meant to say that he believed that non-violent resistance from jews would be successful. (Part of a comment by --ashwatha on 02:36, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: That said, the section on the civil rights movement in South Africa does read a bit too much like a eulogy - it was much better a few years ago; more to the point, and also included a common std of Gandhi's were he got in in South Africa - he was (and still is) criticized for not extending his activism to native Africans and limiting his activities for Indians only. I will try to prune this section and re-add some of the missing statements. --ashwatha 02:36, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gandhi comments on hitler and jews: Why no mention??

message: ::That said, the section on the civil rights movement in South Africa does read a bit too much like a eulogy - it was much better a few years ago; more to the point, and also included a common std of Gandhi's were he got in in South Africa - he was (and still is) criticized for not extending his activism to native Africans and limiting his activities for Indians only. I will try to prune this section and re-add some of the missing statements. --ashwatha 02:36, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: section on civil rights movement in South Africa: Criticism missing

message: :::I have added a section regarding Hitler under Principles/Nonviolence.  On racism I have added a quote under Life/Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893 - 1914).  On lust I have added a few words under Principles/Celibacy.  I did not add anything regarding him being unfaithful to his wife.  Need proof rather than heresay.  --nirvana2013 19:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. NPOV removed, but I do have one request; could you show me where you got the last part of the quote on Jewish mass suicide, the one about heroism? Gold Stur 22:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Jerusalum Post, for example --nirvana2013 13:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: above criticisms: mentions in article: dispute resolved

message: It should be mentioned why Gandhi said the Jews should be exterminated. He was not a racist. He was an extreme pacifist. Gandhi said that because he thought eventually Hitler would have stopped and become sympathetic to the Jews, something which I also believe in. He even said that to the Indians, that they should sacrifice their lives in order to make India independant from the British. Gandhi was sympatheitic to everybody, no matter how evil your actions were. DaGizza Chat (c) 21:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: a reply: not racist, extreme pacifist, rather:

message: ::::A quick search of the web finds no obvious such 'proofs' but it easily finds http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/mideast.htm which is an article by Gandhi himself. Quote "My sympathies are all with the Jews.". He goes on to object to the imposition of the Jewish state on the previous inhabitants of Palestine, a perfectly respectable position and one not confined to 'haters of Jews'. Only someone blind to the reality of the history of the Jewish state could see this article of evidence of hate. What it clearly espouses is non-violence on both sides. treesmill 01:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A further search finds http://www.gandhiserve.org/information/writings_online/articles/gandhi_jews_palestine.html#Interview%20to%20The%20Daily%20Herald which gives a considerable amount of material both from the pen of Gandhi and of those who objected to a greater or lesser degree to his advocacy of non-violence in the case of the Jews under Hitler and more broadly to his misunderstanding of the situation in general. Whether one is persuaded or not by either side it is quite clear that none of Gandhi's opponents in the material presented here viewed him as fundamentally opposed to the Jews, let alone as a 'Jew hater'. Rather they believed that his attachment to the most fundamental form of non-violence had blinded him to what they believed to be the powerlessness of his programme in the face of the Nazi machine. treesmill 01:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks treesmill, I have not seen or read many of those articles by Gandhi.  Awaiting your response EarlCampbell20.  If no response is received, I assume this matter is closed. --nirvana2013 11:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: above matter closed

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