Talk:Customs and etiquette in Hawaii

message: I removed the bit about flower motifs in corporate logos and advertising. That's a FACT, but it's not a custom. Surely there's someplace else for that fact? Zora 07:44, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Before yall start lashing out against me, let me say that I am only DIRECTLY quoting Zora. She does not believe in such things as "Hawaiian culture" or "Korean Culture", both mentioned on this page. And since she does not recognize any such thing as Persian culture or Indian Culture, then I think consistency should be practiced here, and I think it's not a bad idea to paste the POV tag on all pages listed under here as well. And especially here. But then again, I dont want to start fights. Theyre very unproductive. Yet I know Zora will persist in attacking the very phrase "Persian culture" to promote her hatred against people she does not like. Peace to you all.--Zereshk 06:26, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

message: This is an odd list and needs work. Almost every item listed here as "offensive" is subject to vigorous debate among the residents of Hawai'i. Not to take the side of the haole, but "don't be offended if someone calls you a haole?" Even though Portuegese people SHOULD be offended? Because haoles don't have local values? I ain't no haole, but come on...that reads as a pretty strong bias against haoles, as does the entire "visitors from the Mainland" section. What, visitors from England stay different? 
In addition, it feels more like a list of political prescriptions than a list of local customs and etiquette.
My sense is that someone wrote this off the cuff.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.217.208 (talk) 09:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Is it really necessary to point out that one should not litter, ask if American money is accepted, or assume that everyone wears grass skirts and lives in huts ? Come on, who is this aimed at ??76.113.104.58 (talk) 03:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrowness 

message: Anon, it's not really a good idea to assert as custom that which you wish to be custom. People talk about malama 'aina, but do they do it? I don't think so. There's too much dumping, abandoned cars, garbage on roads, etc. for this to be true. Right out in front of my condo is a little patch of grass under a tree, between the sidewalk and the street. Or it used to be grass, before the neighborhood decided that this was a dump site. Now I can't turn into my driveway without seeing abandoned refrigerators, mattresses, furniture. There is too much to fit on the dirt patch that used to be grass, so they dump it on the sidewalk too. If it's removed, people just think that it means that any garbage they put there WILL be removed -- so they dump more. 
Rather than revert you, I hope that you'll remove your public-spirited but inaccurate contribution yourself. Zora 07:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malama 'aina 

message: Anon, you're adding stuff that is dubious or just plain wrong. The bit re lava rock is a modern attempt by Big Island park rangers to get people to stop taking rocks; there is no Native Hawaiian belief that taking rocks is wrong. Native Hawaiians used them, to make axes and such. Pork over the Pali -- that's a superstition held by some people, but it's not universal and it's not a custom. Not put your back to the sea? I've never HEARD that and I've lived here thirty years. Never seen anyone observe it, either. 
I also removed the bit re malama 'aina, since you didn't. 
The problem is that this article doesn't cite any references, which is a no-no by Wikipedia standards. We aren't supposed to state personal beliefs as facts; we're supposed to document them. This article has puttered along for years without being criticized for being personal opinion, or original research, because contributors managed to stick with things that were so generally believed, or observed, that no one complained. Now you are adding stuff that really is dubious. 
I'm grotesquely over-committed on many fronts, but I'll see if I can find some written references on island customs. Clearly they're needed. Zora 19:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon, please don't add dubious material