Talk:Jack Vettriano

message: Yes, there is a direct link to a picture in the text, but doesn't this famous painting deserved to be thumbnailed on the side of the article? -- User:81.99.181.231 17:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an idea. The picture would of course be still under copyright (I guess we could now claim it is a derivative work of the dancing manual ;-) but as that was published in 1987 its photos would most likely still be copyright in any case). However, if you could find an example of the painting on Vettriano's own web site, or perhaps a gallery representing him, then it might be possible to use it under Fair use provisions as long as it was small enough that it couldn't be used by anyone in place of say buying the postcard of it. -- Solipsist 19:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Singing Butler 

message: Pastiche is an acceptable practice in postmodernist art as justified by deconstruction art theorists. A number of artists in the 80s and 90s made a point of it, with obvious references to classical paintings, techniques and layered images. In deconstruction, it's also argued there's no such thing as an "original". The great masters also copied and copied, firstly their forerunners and then each other. This approach is not very different, only it's from the mass mediated image. It's not always the artist who justifies their method and approach, but it can help. Usually a thoughtful critic can contextualise the work and give it cred. Mostly, though the most compelling argument for it is the marketplace. The way the artist personally puts it all together makes it signfiicant. Covers, compilation and sampling could be said to be the musical equivalent.Julia Rossi 23:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vincent van Gogh did pastiches of Japanese woodcuts at the beginning of his career, didn"t he?Robert Schediwy, Vienna --208.114.113.103 (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pastiche 

message: While Vettriano is accused of pinching figures from a manual, when you compare the painting and the figures from the manual, the painting is much more informed and informing; as well, the backgrounds are not in the manual – see this site: http://www.aref-adib.com/archives000303.html They look pretty cool – any idea where he learned to do these?Julia Rossi 10:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backgrounds 

message: One of Vettriano's Bluebird pics is described as "the most iconic of the series". How does one measure a degree of iconicity? Can there be a superlative? What does it really mean? Can a phrase be at the same time POV, original research and utterly meaningless? Tsuguya (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Iconic Bluebird

message: The sentence:
:"His paintings are reminiscent of the film noir genre, often with romantic or nude themes."
was, presumably, written carelessly or by someone either not familiar with JV's work or who doesn't understand the definition of the word 'nude', in art or general usage.  
A more accurate sentence would be:
:"His paintings are reminiscent of the film noir genre, often with romantic or erotic themes."
Nudity (nakedness, absence of all clothing) is almost never apparent in JV's paintings.  The arguably stronger images that arise from a state of partial undress, with hints of what is to come or what went before, are often present in the paintings, however, and definitely constitute eroticism.
(Film noir, romanticism: definitely).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.114.148 (talk) 07:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nude? 

message: "Vettriano had used the DIY-painting artists' reference manual The Illustrator's Figure Reference Manual"
Better would be:
"Vettriano had used the artists' reference manual The Illustrator's Figure Reference Manual"
Adding "DIY-painting" smacks of POV / bias and adds nothing to the normal description of an "artists' reference manual" as just that: an artists' reference manual.
In fact, what exactly is "DIY-painting" supposed to mean?  Every painter does DIY painting, hence being called a painter.  (Obviously excluded are the 'artists' who pay someone else to make 'their' 'art', such as Damien Hirst).
Suggest expunging "DIY-painting".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.115.74 (talk) 09:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does 'DIY painting' add? 

message: There seems to be nothing in this article about the paintings themselves and more importantly there is nothing about the controversy over whether he is just a commercially sucessful producer of kitsch illustrations or an 'artist' , whatever that means. Surely the fact that  painter who is so hugely sucessful is ignored by the art establishment:  seem to recall an incident where somebody offered one of his pictures to the Tate and the offers was refused. Liewise, the President of the Royal West of England academy has recently resigned, allegedly partly because of an exhibition including some of these paintings. Similarly, he is totally ignored by critics: an article I read recently was most interting, a whole slew of critics just saying ' in effect, 'errr, but he's rubbish': I thin only Adrian Searle of the Guardian actually adressed the issue of why.
The controversy is signifcant because it relats to the rift between contemporary art practise & what most people actually gain a significant aethetic experience from.
I have an entirely neutral point of view on this, btw. I've never seen the work 'in the paint', and therefore have an open mind on the issue at the moment, although since I am about to actually look at some of the thingsa this may change.TheLongTone (talk) 08:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have created a stub criticism section- please expand.93.96.148.42 (talk) 02:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Laurabrudenell added an number of items to the philanthropy section, including the donation of a painting to a charity auction that raised only £2,000. These were sourced to Vettriano's website. That sourcing has since been removed. I think that the text should be removed, unless the philanthropy was noteworthy enough to be reported in a reliable source. http://uk.linkedin.com/in/laurabrudenell belongs to a publicist, and the editor also edited the philanthropy section for another artist from Vettriano's gallery.93.96.148.42 (talk) 03:37, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure that philanthropy is the right title for the scholarship he endowed or the paintings he donated to auctions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropy#Modern_Vernacular_Uses_of_the_Word describes it as charitable giving on a large scale.93.96.148.42 (talk) 04:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Isabelledelacroix has also been adding information to the philanthropy section based on Jack Vetriano's website, and removing information about his conviction - []. While there may be no connection, http://www.facebook.com/isabelle.delacroix.773 describes herself as PA to Jack Vettriano, and all the edits associated with this account relate to Jack, or artists represented by Heartbreak.87.194.44.183 (talk) 00:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested removal of philanthropy edits by Publicists based on Vettriano's Website 

message: The Criticism section is very heavily biased towards negative criticism by a small number of journalist critics, a group which is paid to be controversial.  Positive criticism, of which there is plenty, is totally absent.
The section reads like a soap-box for people who make a living by writing opinion pieces, regardless of their own knowledge, which is usually secondary, or ability and experience, which is usually absent.
Suggest either removing the section or, preferably, presenting a balanced set of views rather than a biased set of opinions by the over-opinionated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.26.134 (talk) 13:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Over 18 months later and the blatant bias referred to above remains unaddressed.  Such is the quality of Wikipedia and its bunch of "editors", in contrast to a real encyclopaedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.102.208 (talk) 20:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Have either of you added positive criticism, and had it removed?  Show us the edit history, and if there's something nefarious it can be addressed.  Otherwise, This is your own fault, no one else's. μηδείς (talk) 21:43, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism heavily biased 

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