Talk:David Wilkerson

message: I think the Biography section in particular is from a very pro-Wilkerson point of view and isn't really encyclopedic as much as promotional. Needs better reliable sources. (ESkog)(Talk) 19:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your opinion. The unsupported statements have been removed. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias tag 

message: It appears to me that some of the predictions have been fudged, but it is difficult to confirm that since there are not many references to page numbers where the predictions were made. Geneven (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page references? 

message: The subject of this biographical entry is worthy of note to a wide audience for encyclopedic purposes. As an author, Wilkerson writes a nonprofit newsletter that has a readership in excess of 850,000 monthly subscribers. As an historical figure, he is known for founding an organization that was publicly cited by a U. S. president as an example of meritous charity work. For Wikipidia users interested in researching Wilkerson, the encyclopedic resource and biographical information therein do serve to provide relevant factual data.
All of the included data appear to conform to Wikipedia NPOV, and no statements of mere opinion are found in the entry as a whole. While the biography can strike one reader as being positive if he or she deems the individually stated facts to be positive attributes, by the same token their nature may impress other readers negatively. For example, the statements that the subject is a Christian, is an evangelist, or founded Teen Challenge, would not necessarily be viewed as positive or pro-Wilkerson by users who are opposed to Christianity, to evangelism, or to the political party on record as favoring Teen Challenge. 
A reliable source that corroborates much of the data in the biography section is a detailed biography of Wilkerson that is accessible through one of the links listed the Related Websites section.
Projection70 04:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed at least some of the "Christianese" to more usual language, and the statements that he was moved by the Holy Spirit to do this or that, to statements that Wilkerson believed the H.S. moved him in those ways. This is also roughly how the Joseph Smith, Jr. article handles his angelic visions (or should if it hasn't been changed again). The rest of it seems to be fairly factual and neutrally stated to me; I think the tag can be removed. Any other discussion? Wesley 17:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

text: *Tag has been up for ten weeks, during which time article has been refined for improvement of NPOV. Bias tag removed as per wikimedia convention in official guidelines. Projection70 17:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag discussion 

message: Although a biography at Pastor Wilkerson's website does say he pastored in "Scottsdale," I could find no such location in Pennsylvania. The only Scottsdale that I can think of is in Arizona, and I don't think he pastored any churches there. I'm guessing that "Scottsdale" is a typo, since there actually is a town of Scottdale, PA in the vicinity of Philipsburg, PA. I made the corresponding change to the article text, but if anybody knows for sure that the pastor actually did preach in "Scottsdale," by all means change it back, and be sure to wikify it to the proper location. Projection70 13:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottsdale or Scottdale? 

message: David Wilkerson has an additional prophecy that he gave in his "Vision," that the Iron Curtain would fall for a time and that it would later go back up (keep in mind it was given in 1973).
A little more detail should be given to Teen Challenge which Wilkerson started. It claims to have the highest success rate (80-85%) in helping people around the world that are addicted to drugs and alcohol. He has given control of Teen Challenge over to the Assembly of God, which he holds his credentials from.
Wilkerson has been known to be a bit eccentric, albeit he is respected in the Christian community at large, probably because of his no-nonsense approach to ministry and also because he was not afraid to go into the getto and slums of New York to help gangs and drug addicts. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Quintessential1 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on David Wilkerson 

message: Someone I know is entering this school as a student and I can find little about it on the net except for its own homepage and statements that it is affiliated with Wilkerson. Oh, and cultlike practices, too. If anyone has info on this place I think it would be appropriate to incorporate it here. 204.8.150.32 (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mt. Zion School of Ministry 

message: Is any photos coming to Wikimedia Commons some day? I will add it to Finnish wikipedia article, thanks. Arto Alanenpää (talk) 14:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos? 

message: I've moved this section here because it's largely uncited. I also question whether it's even notable to have this in the article. Basileias (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If a book is notable, it surely can be mentioned but summarized. What is currently there is quite lengthy. If a book is notable it will be covered by major news outlets. Authors who have notable religious books for example would be Rob Bell, Joel Osteen, Bart D. Ehrman, etc. I am not sure Wilkerson rises to that level. Basileias (talk) 01:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it's straight from David Wilkerson's book then add that content to a page about his book, otherwise this is a primary source and not third party as is the standard... wiki bios aren't intended to be promotional tools.  Jadon (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

text:  I understand your concerns Peterkirk, but all of Basileias edits to date are to strictly follow wiki's policy on quality of sources.  We're supposed to use third party sources... and a book written by Wilkerson himself is a primary source.  If you find better sources for this information you can add it back.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third-party_sources and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Party_and_person  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadon (talk • contribs) 13:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Prophecies

message: This website seems to be an exclusive source for the failed prophecy section, http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/david-wilkerson-prophecy.htm. The issue I'm raising about the use of this source is it's reliability and the no original research issue. It is a Christian publication with a likely bias. If other additional sources that are less likely to share this bias can be used, it would be better. Basileias (talk) 17:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that it's not a preferable source, but at the moment I can't find anything better.  There's youtube videos of his speeches where Wilkerson gives these false/failed prophecies, it's a primary source but in a non-text format, is that better?  Regardless, a non-preferential source is better than no source, even according to wiki code.  I'm glad you took all the rest of the material down, my goal was to add something to balance all of his claims of prophecy... which to me is a dangerous untruth that shouldn't be promoted by an encyclopedia. Jadon (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the predictions have been covered by news journalists or other very significant authors, that would leave Wilkerson's books themselves as the sole source. If Wilkerson is the sole source then maybe a one or two sentence mention about his "claims" should be enough. Basileias (talk) 02:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

text:  Yeah, that's fine with me. Jadon (talk) 13:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Excellent summary, but another editor will probably tag that as needing a source. Basileias (talk) 13:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: A problem source

message: I'm now concerned about the new "Quotes" section. What usually ends up happening is shocking or someones personal favorite is what gets inserted. Already the two most recent haven't really had a good source and a reason as to "why" they should be there. Basileias (talk) 03:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Quote selection is POV at best, misleading at worst. Should be removed. Cresix (talk) 03:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: The way the account of his death is written, accompanied by the quote included in the same section it appears to me that David Wilkerson either committed suicide, or that his death was otherwise of "mysterious origin", (no seatbelt, "veered left of center", "not an accident"). Check this blog http://lastdaysareuponus.blogspot.com/
Since there are no sources cited that would support this view, is it possible that the "last blog post" either be separated from the "Death" section, or, better yet, removed?
I believe this would help preserve the non-POV, and encyclopedic nature of the article and give his death a bit more dignity and less of a tabloid feel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.205.162 (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously? JayHubie (talk) 16:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

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message: Is there a typo in the heading, "Senior posting"? Should it read, "Senior pastor" instead? I've never heard of "posting"  as a career related to church ministry. I'm pretty sure Wilkerson's official title at Times Square Church was Senior Pastor, and perhaps he has been the senior pastor of other churches before that, since circa 1950. Can anybody explain why "posting" was used? Otherwise, should it be corrected with a change to "pastor"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.126.74 (talk) 06:20, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senior posting or senior pastor? 

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