Talk:Highlander (film)

message: I've added a DVD section including a gallery.  These are all referenced.  The images support the info in the article.  I've not added any Region 2 info as I know nothing about it. FrankWilliams 20:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:FU, specifically that part that says "Acceptable use", where it lists "Cover art". If you have no critical commentary on the image, then you cannot use it. It's simple eye candy. NONE of those DVD covers meet FU criteria.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 20:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: "felt by fans?", generally unverifiable. Finding a forum where some fans lash out about a DVD cover is not significant coverage, because you cannot determine if that number of fans is a representative sample of all the fans. Also, none of that commentary actually discusses each of the DVD covers, at least it doesn't say that. It talks about what the difference in quality is, per what the fans think.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 16:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, I think you might have misunderstood Bignole's informed advice. You need to provide cited references as to the artwork and cover information from reliable references (and sellers touting anamorphic this and that are not reliable, or notable to the article). What you have presented in the article is primary source information - ie, citing yourself as a source - which I am sure you recognize is not an acceptable method of attribution in Wikipedia. It cannot remain in the article. As well, since the DVD covers are not referenced by any citable information speaking specifically to them, they cannot remain either. I will be removing them now. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Section

message: Since the vast majority of the article requires citation, can I suggest replacing the overabundance of "citation needed" tags with broader templates found at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Verifiability and sources? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is still a lack of citations - many sections do not contain any. Pirchlogan (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: The DVD section says that "Highlander has been released to DVD on four occasions in the United States", but only three versions are mentioned: the 2000 single-disc edition, the 2002 double-disc Immortal Edition, and the 2002 single-disc edition. What was the fourth?
Another problem: I can't find anything regarding a 2000 edition anywhere on the internet. I do, however, find plenty of sites referring to an edition that was released in either 1996 or 1997. Perhaps the year of release was mistaken? Or is this 96/97 edition the missing fourth edition? (DT29 23:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD versions 

message: Ramirez (Connery)'s reference to the origin of his sword is that it was created by a man named Masamune in 593 BC. Masamune's link however leads to the famed swordsmith Masamune Okazaki who created swords during the late 13th/early 14th century. Maybe this link should be taken down since they are not supposed to be the same person or since it is an error.
Maybe a new section should be created that documents any errors within the film such as this and the one that I'm pretty sure Brenda makes when referring to MacCleod's katana. -Darthjarek (talk) 14:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any new section should be sourced. The Masamune of the movie is obviously a fictional character, so you're right, I'm going to remove the link. Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 10:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link error? 

message: Why is a serious subject such as "A Metallurgical History of Ancient Sword Making" redirected to this movie-based site???   Dr.Bastedo (talk) 01:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol! It would appear someone thought it wise to have the title of book that the film's character Brenda Wyatt, played by Roxanne Hart, wrote on the subject to be redirected to the Highlander wiki. Unless I've missed it I see no reference to the book in the Highlander wiki-page so it does appear more than a little redundant. Ferdinandhudson (talk) 16:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link error #2 ? 

message: We don't, and we certainly don't replace more reliable citations with those from Imdb. The argument that we do not use the same citation more than once is incorrect. We do, if the same citation supports two different statements. I realize you are new, Unbeholden, but a lot of these sorts of issues could be sidestepped if you would but ask for assistance. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got to be kidding me. That Imdb link has reliable information, all of it is true... if you don't believe it we can check it all out ourselves just to be sure. I believe that even though Imdb isn't normally used for citation purposes I think we should make a exception in this case. The Unbeholden (talk) 07:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *cough*Policy*cough* Trivia on sites such as IMDb or FunTrivia should not be used as sources. These media do not have adequate levels of editorial oversight or author credibility and lack assured persistence. Check the link to read more. I'm sorry to spoil your fun, but this article will never make it to GA if it is badly sourced and IGN is certainly a better source. Don't let this deter you though. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 12:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is reliable, all information there is fact checked by IMDB editors. And the so called Trivia on sites such as IMDb or FunTrivia should not be used as sources. These media do not have adequate levels of editorial oversight or author credibility and lack assured persistence. its not trivia, its the "Alternate versions" section, which gives a detailed differences between cuts and Editions of the Movie. Which is alot more credible, Just to be sure, On highlander I checked out all the information listed there, on the 3 cuts of highlander I have, and its all true. It appears that the IMDb Editors aren't as sloppy as you think. The Unbeholden (talk) 13:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unbeholden, you seem to be thinking that Rosenknospe and I pulled these rules out of thin air, and are implementing them to fuck with you. We are not. Rosen specifically directed you to the policy and guidelines on point. They are what all of us use. If you do not like these rules, I have already pointed out where you could vamoose off to change them. Imdb, by our current policy, doesn't replace our RS policy. Your issue is not with us, but with the policy. Why not mosey off and tilt at windmills over there? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  We don't use Imdb for citation purposes 

message: Highlander currently has 3 different cuts. U.S theatrical, European and Directors cut. There's also a French theatrical, but its mainly the same as the U.S theatrical, but with the scene inside Detective Bedsoe's in his car removed, and a scene with MacLeod rescuing Rachel during WW2 added (and of course all the dialogue replaced with French voice actors). There are many changes done in the cuts that is only touched upon in the Wiki article, here I will do my best to give the utmost precise description of the differences in the Directors cut compared to the European and U.S theatrical cut. Highlander U.S theatrical is the oldest cut, featuring alot of continuity errors. The European cut is like the U.S theatrical, but has alot of added scenes and only has one dialogue missing "I want to go home," after Connor receives The Prize and only one missing scene of Detective Bedsoe in his car. The Directors cut is based on the European cut but has lots of edits made to fix continuity errors, as well as a important special effect touch up to remove the wires visible holding Connor when he receives the prize. 
Differences between the Directors cut and the U.S theatrical. 
* In the directors cut the there is the following missing dialogue;
"I want to go home," after Connor receives The Prize.
"MacLeod, this is the Quickening!" when Remirez and Connor jump into the water.
"Kill the MacLeod!" chanting dialogue in the beginning of the film.
"I can breath...I'll split you in half!" when Connor was underwater. 
* Directors cut is missing a short scene shot from inside Det. Bedsoe's car as he stakes out Brenda's apartment during MacLeod's visit. 
* The Directors cut has the following additional scenes;
A flashback to World War II that further develops the character of Rachel Ellenstein.
A new scene between Connor and Brenda talking at a zoo about how he's not willing to commit to another relationship after his wife's death. The most important thing about this scene is that Kurgan can be seen in the background trailing the twosome. This solves the continuity problem in the American version about how Kurgan finds Brenda's apartment in the next scene.
MacLeod having a short flashback about his first battle in Scotland during the wrestling match.
Fazil doing a backward cartwheel as he flees from MacLeod in the parking garage.
MacLeod's girlfriend wishing him luck before the first battle in Scotland.
MacLeod's dueling partner (remember, he kept stabbing MacLeod to no avail?) shooting his assistant in the back for being annoying.
Kurgan licks the priest's hand in the church.
Much longer fight scene between MacLeod and the Kurgan at the end of the movie.
Longer Love scene between Connor and Brenda.
* Dialogue difference, U.S theatrical Ramirez says he's "...chief metallurgist of King Phillip II of Spain" while in Directors cut he says he's "...chief metallurgist of Charles V."
* When the Kurgan is driving into New York, the opening guitar to the Queen song "Gimme The Prize" can be heard over the news report and the vocals start when the Kurgan pops in the tape. However in the Director's cut, the opening guitar part has been taken out.
* In the Directors cut wind whooshing sounds are added to certain scenes to indicate that one immortal has detected the presence of another. It's quite noticeable, before the MacLeod vs Fazil and the Ramirez vs Kurgan fights. 
* In the Directors cut the wires that where visible holding Connor MacLeod when he received the prize have been removed.
Differences between the Directors cut and the European cut. 
* In the Directors cut, when Connor falls from the boat and end up on the sea floor, he says "I'm alive", whereas the European version still has the: "I'm alive...I can breath..." Shortly followed by; "I'll split you in half!" (spoken while drawing his sword under water).
* After the scene where Remirez is teaching Connor how to feel the heart beat of the stag, they both run until they reach the cliff and jump off into the water. In the European cut Ramirez yells, "MacLeod, this is the Quickening!" where as Director's cut, Ramirez and Connor yell as they jump without the line.
* The European cut has the "Kill the MacLeod!" chanting dialogue in the flash back Connor has during the wrestling match, where as the Directors cut does not.
* In the European cut when the Kurgan is driving into New York, the opening guitar to the Queen song "Gimme The Prize" can be heard over the news report and the vocals start when the Kurgan pops in the tape. However in the Director's cut, the opening guitar part has been taken out.
* The Directors cut has whooshing sound effects added before the MacLeod vs Fazil and the Ramirez vs Kurgan fights to indicate that one immortal has detected the presence of another where as the European cut doesn't. 
* The wires that are holding Connor MacLeod when he received the prize are removed in the Directors cut, they are still visible in the European cut.
The Unbeholden (talk) 00:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you cite that, please? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlander Cuts 

message: I typed that into google to find out what the hell it means and this page came up. I'm sure I'm not the only disappointed person who had to resort to Urban Dictionary to find out. Please make it more clear what this catch phrase means! Maybe even give it its own subheading!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.207.225 (talk) 23:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  There Can Only Be One 

message: This article needed a bit of work, so I sat down and edited it tonight after looking it up following a recent re-watching of the film. 
For starters, there was a major problem with the short summary at the start with a sentence that didn't make sense.
Certain problems had crept in - elements in the text such as the three numbered "rules" that were in the "The Immortals" section, which are never presented in this manner during the film. The second rule stated on the page even said "combat between immortals is one-on-one", which is NEVER stated in the film, nor is it stood by during the fight scenes (in one scene another character does intervene to help Connor). Admittedly, there is no scene in the film that has more than two immortals in combat, but it is not stated in the film that this is a "rule" - it presumably comes from the tv series and I'd argue that has no place in an article specifically about the original movie.
Anyway, this is a single example, but there were a few other items that were from the rest of the Highlander franchise that I don't believe belong in this article. I've added a comment at the start before after the plot summary to explain this.
I'm not a wiki editing expert, but I've done my best with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.234.61 (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of several parts 

message: I thick we should have "Highlander" redirected to here. When somebody says "Highlander" the first thing to pop into your head is the movie. - It's for the Lutz (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the first thing that comes to my mind. Feel free to start a formal move-request discussion. Remember to provide some evidence to back up your claim that this is the primary topic. DMacks (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Using "Google's Sorting logic" (which accounts for which links are most often clicked in response to which search terms) if you search for "Highlander" the first two links are for Highlander film references (IMDb and Wikipedia), the third is for the franchise, the fourth for the TV series. It takes until #5 before you finally get to something not derived from the movie (the Toyota SUV). DBalling (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirect 

message: Why aren´t "Endgame" and "The Source" not mentioned in this article?77.11.172.221 (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you haven't added them yet? Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 21:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

text: There is a Highlander template at the bottom of the article that you can uncollapse to see different Highlander-related links. :) Erik (talk | contribs) 21:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Highlander Endgame" and "The Source" 

message: The claim that the quote 'better to burn out than fade away' is attributable to Def Leppard and Neil Young is unsupported by any citation . Is this something the film makers have stated or just an assumption? 31.53.189.102 (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: It's strange how nothing in this entire set of assertions is sourced.  Not one word.  I hope someone can back up most of it because I would hate to see it all go.  I'll look back in a week or two. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production and development 

message: The article had been stable as a British-American co-production until someone recently removed this in favor of it being a British production.  I didn't notice that until now.  I restored it, as AllMovie and the British Film Institute say it's a British-American co-production.  However, The New York Times film database says its a British-only production.  I think this is probably good enough to label it a British-American co-production, but I figured I'd start a talk page discussion over it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  British-American co-production 

message: > The opening voice-over by Connery has an echo effect because it was recorded in the bathroom of his Spanish villa (where he had been working with a voice coach in order to perfect the Spanish accent he used in the film). It was played for the producers over the phone and they approved of it because they could not discern the quality of the recording that way.
I don't have the DVD cited but surely perfecting the Spanish accent is rubbish. His accent is entirely Scottish and a point of confusion in the film when his character claims to be Egyptian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niedzielski (talk • contribs) 23:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation itself was , but the text existed before that.  I'm guessing that it does exist on the DVD commentary if two editors have corroborated it, but I agree it does sound kind of strange. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed up the sentence a bit, I think this will work better. It would be nice if someone with the DVD dropped in, though. Daß Wölf (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Today my wife discovered a very similar passage on IMDB. It looks like the original wording was likely corroborated but I much prefer your updated phrasing which clarifies that he never actually did perfect it. -Niedzielski (talk) 03:10, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Many factoids on Wikipedia originally come from the IMDb.  Whenever I see something dubious, I automatically check the IMDb trivia page to see if it was copied from there.  In this case, secondary sources have repeated it, so that it was said on the DVD commentary is likely true.  Since none of us seem to have the DVD commentary handy, I cited the claim to the secondary source. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

text: So what is this then? Ferdinandhudson (talk) 19:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perfecting the Spanish accent 

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message: In the summary Helen Ballbag is listed in the cast. Very funny, but not true. 81.147.7.236 (talk) 16:51, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good spot. Removed. Ta. The joy of all things (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helen Ballbag?