Talk:Zac Goldsmith

message: Goldsmith's policies are split over two sections - Activism and investments and Policy Positions. They should be in one place imho. --h2g2bob (talk) 18:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policies section 

message: Is this activity compatible with membership of the House of Commons?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.103.243 (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Active Cannabis Users?

message: The Richmond campaign between Kramer  and  Goldsmith was  thought to involve unusually bad blood on both sides. Goldsmith accused Kramer of being "an "attack dog" who told "the most appalling lies" about him. She attacked him for spending a chunk of his considerable fortune blanketing the constituency with posters. The intensity of the campaign was marked by the unusually boisterous celebration of Goldsmith's agent, David Newman, as the result was announced - normally candidates and campaigners are a little more 'sportsmanlike' in victory. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/07/zac-goldsmith-wins-susan-kramer-clash and http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pandora/pandora-an-inflated-alter-ego-1971353.html 
I'm not an authority on this  subject, but maybe someone who is can include a section, and try to make it NPOV (again, something I'm not certain I'd get right myself). This is just a suggestion - am new to this page and don't want to impose. Oriana Naso (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richmond Campaign 

message: Is this correct? I know his father, James Goldsmith, was Jewish, but does he identify as Jewish himself? City of Destruction 12:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform Jewish? 

message: Hi,
I noticed that references 48 and 49 referring to his tax statements lead to 404 pages on his personal web page.  This is my first post to anything Wikipedia so I've no idea what to do about it other than raise it here.
Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.127.127 (talk) 10:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads up.  I found an archive of one of the dead links you mentioned at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine and added it to the reference in the article.  Unfortunately, Wayback didn't have a working archive of the other link, so I tagged it as a dead link. AtticusX (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken links in references 

message: I am concerned about the style and language used in the electoral spending section. It reads like something out of Pravda. It seems very heavily biased towards Goldsmith, as does some elements of this article in general. AusLondonder (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, lots of passive voice and too many repetitions of Goldsmith being cleared. I've substantially trimmed, though I still think the section is a bit long. Dtellett (talk) 13:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electoral spending section 

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message: he is not a politician now is he Govindaharihari (talk) 09:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think he immediately stops being a politician the moment he loses an election - he may well run for something else. Indeed David Cameron is still listed as a politician over a month after the by-election. Let's wait and see what Goldsmith decides to do next. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Govindaharihari is behaving very oddly about this. See their repeated messages on my talk page (most now removed), and my own reply on their talk page (now also removed). Mezigue (talk) 09:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Get a grip - try to accept reality, Goldsmith is toast# the conservatives had him as a shoe in but it didn't work out Govindaharihari (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Z Goldsmith clearly does - he is not a politician he is a millionaire from a mega rich family attempting to join in politics - he has lost everything apart from the shoe in safe tory seat - Govindaharihari (talk) 09:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are just pushing your personal point of view by making controversial edits and starting revert-wars, without any consensus from other contributors. Please stop. --Dans (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I accept that, according to wiki mos is seems we still need to call him a politician even though he isn't anymore, but it's over for him in politics, he is a failed London mayor candidate, a lost independent candidacy, he has nowhere to go in politics, he can and will earn so much more in the business world especially with the goodwill created by honoring his promise. Govindaharihari (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please spare us your views on ZG, Govindaharihari. This is not a forum. I'm glad you understand the MoS well enough to know that this subject is now closed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, not a forum, I agree also, but it is so hard not to laugh laugh laugh at the biased editors here, well, all over wikipedia actually, wp:npov is a joke also . Govindaharihari (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  was a politician 

message: he has no political purpose, or job or anything. I changed active from yes to no but someone thinks he is an active politician - User:Absolutelypuremilk https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zac_Goldsmith&diff=752632772&oldid=752628124  Govindaharihari (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this has already been discussed adequately in the section above, with consensus to leave it as is for the time being. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He is not active as a politician and unless you show me that he is active I will change it to inactive Govindaharihari (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Goldsmith has been out of a job for less than 48 hours - he may well decide to run for another post. As per the consensus above, I will undo your changes to this article unless the consensus changes. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 19:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He is inactive, has no job , if you revert I will raise it to see policy. regards Govindaharihari (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free to take this higher, but you should note that there is already a clear consensus for the status quo. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Tend to agree with Govindaharihari. Unless there's another by-election lined up where he could stand (which there certainly isn't), there is really no prospect of him remaining in politics. Or is there an agreed criterion for him leaving? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "This page is about an active politician who is running for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some current political conflict or controversy. Because of this, this article is at increased risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism." Clearly this should remain until traffic has died down to normal. NPalgan2 (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Omg Palgan - I had given you good faith but but your post here is so wrong that I cant continue Govindaharihari (talk) 20:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Govindaharihari, why are you so against that nice man Zac when he just wanted to help you keep your family jewelry? Seriously, the whole point of the active politician tag is to help deal with the surge of traffic that continues even *after* a politician you dont like has conceded defeat. NPalgan2 (talk) 20:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that, tbh, I give a flying fuck whether or not Zac is marked as active or inactive, do you have any evidence by way of reliable sources, , that he ceased to be a politician upon losing an election? You talked with scorn, above, about the state of npov on wikipedia, but seem unable to apply that concept to yourself. You have shown considerable antipathy to Zac and/or the concept of Zac beng a politician. You clearly have strong and non-neutral views about the matter. What the rest of us know is that a few nights ago, he was absolutely a politician. Right now, I think none of us - perhaps including Zac - know whether or not he is a politician. And we know that right now there is only one person wasting bandwidth arguing for the active parameter to be changed. Might I venture to suggest that you give it a rest for a few days, let the dust settle and, perhaps, let the man speak for himself ... rather than trying to force your unsourced and easily disputable personal view on the rest of us. thank you. And also, you know, look in the mirror every now and again. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: -yes , thanks User:Tagishsimon That is the question...you don't care about it - I am asking only, is he an active politician when he has no political job at all - David Cameron is not an active politician for example, neither is Ed Milliband or Gordon Brown or Hillary Clinton, none of then have a active political job. As for your other comments, I like and respect Goldsmith and yes until a few nights ago he was indeed a working, active politician Govindaharihari (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  he is not an active politician now 

message: there is no consensus here that he is an active politician, I intend to change the parameter from yes to no, he has no political job at all and has no campaign at all to attempt to win any political position,. please tell me if he has any campaigns or political jobs  that I am unaware of? Govindaharihari (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Govindaharihari, I have asked an administrator to change the active politician template to "or has recently run for office", and the admin has done this. Goldsmith now indisputably qualifies for the parameter as he has recently run for office. It's just like BLP applying to the recently deceased. NPalgan2 (talk) 03:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's ok , but there has been no real discussion about that change - yes, I agree blp applies to the recent dead but this is a simple talk page parameter - it is not a article content concern Govindaharihari (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  no consensus that he is an active politician 

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message: So far the only source for his peerage is his parliamentary profile. The Gazette, the government website and his own social media platforms continue to just call him Zac Goldsmith. I believe it was wrong to rename the page so early. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I have moved the page back to its original title pending confirmation in a third party source; while it's probably tue, there is WP:NODEADLINE, and we wait on others. ——SN54129 16:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if he is raised to the peerage, the article will not be moved. See James_Callaghan or WP:UCRN. NPalgan2 (talk) 06:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premature Move 

message: 2 claims in particular, that Goldsmith is "Ideologically characterised as having liberal and libertarian views, Goldsmith is known for his support for environmentalism, localism and Brexit" and that his resignation as an MP was due to "the government's decision in October 2016 to approve construction of a third runway at Heathrow Airport". If these are in fact backed up by sources further down in the article, the citation should also be added to the lead section at the points in question. The 2 sources posted to my talk page do not back up these claims. Sucker for All (talk) 07:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The additional sources added do in fact back up the claim that his resignation as an MP's tied to the expansion of Heathrow per this source ==> 10 June 2012 BBC News – Zac Goldsmith 'would quit as MP over Heathrow runway' . However, it would be cleaner if the inline citation was also included in the lead section since the lead section's particularly long and entirely unsourced. It's certainly Not Wikipedia standard to have 4 long paragraphs without a single citation, even the lead. And still the particularly problematic part here's the claim that Goldsmith's an ardent Brexiteer when his record indicates lukewarm past support at best. Will need to get unbanned here before I can improve the sourcing of the lead section, however. Sucker for All (talk) 08:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Sources Claims 

message: I believe this statement should be sourced if true, especially regarding Brexit. He missed an early key vote on Brexit and hasn't made any bold progress on the issue. Sucker for All (talk) 17:19, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed and I've removed the wording per WP:CONSENSUS - since this hasn't been challenged on the talk page. I will add an editors' note as well. Please continue to use the talk page to resolve such matters on further articles. Alex (talk) 21:35, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "he is known for his support for environmentalism, localism and Brexit"