Talk:Northern, Central and Southern Vietnam

message: Excuse me,Vietnam was reunited in 1976, not 1975,1975 is just ending of Vietnam war  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.248.75.21 (talk) 04:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

message: I don't think there's a problem with duplicating the intro in a subsection, since it expands on them.  If you feel that they are redundant, feel free to consolidate them. DHN 06:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro/history

message: OK, it has the historical reasons for differences but now we need some differences in language (i.e. pronunciation), cuisine, Chinese/Khmer influence, non-Viet ethnic groups, climate, etc., plus stereotypes.  Badagnani 06:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you can start with the AP article.  Other info I have are from personal experience, so not really citable. True fact: my mom is really annoyed by the Northern accent. DHN 06:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL!  I personally resent that, the Hanoian accent is beautiful to my ears. :P  I'll try to do my part to contribute to this article, although it seems to be lacking any mention of the other main region: Central Vietnam.Annamite tonkinese 22:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Haha thanks! :P  There should probably be a separate article created for Central Vietnam (like there is for North and South Vietnam) but the article "Northern and Southern Vietnam" is probably fine as it is.  I'm a little scared that I'll get a scolding for the stereotypes section though..hahaha.  And I just realized I don't actually know many stereotypes for central people.. Annamite tonkinese 03:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences

message: ::I see someone took out all of my edits and even reverted the history section (although DHN later readded everything back)..I understand that the stereotypes section can be received as controversial, but the other sections (linguistic differences, cuisine, clothing, climate) are well sourced (and well known) and accurate as far as I know, there should be no reason for their removal.  And even if the stereotypes section is controversial or arguable, these are actually widely agreed upon from what I've personally seen and they are what they are, just stereotypes and generalizations that shouldn't be taken to heart. Annamite tonkinese 23:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed some controversials lines, in fact i could change the stereotypes section (eg: the norths are considered more cultured and thoughtful. Most of famous Vietnameses (scientist, writer, leader etc...) come from the north... That's why Hanoi is alway the centre of Vietnam, in the French regime, all the universities in Indochina were based in Hanoi ...). But i don't since i think the stereotypes section should be completely removed! Now the distance between the north and the south is more and more closed but not the distance between the winner and the loser. Should we have an article about the loser Vienameses? :P 58.187.131.24 08:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are good points.  What do the other editors think of these points?  I think it cannot be denied that many Vietnamese, of both north and south, hold stereotypes about northerners and southerners.  Many of those came from the source that is given in the article.  Whether they're correct or not, if they are widely held they have notability.  Badagnani 08:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I thought my stereotypes section was balanced enough..I wrote both good and "bad" stereotypes about both sides.  "Conservative and traditional" are good points I thought about the north..and they are very true stereotypes held by a lot of people..but sadly so is stingy lol.  In fact I think all of the stereotypes I put up were pretty basic and widely known and in fact not even controversial in that regard..but you just removed the entire section. By the way, your addition of the romanized d=z only applies to northerners and not southerners which the article already clarified but you added a confusing bit.  I won't bother reverting edits since it seems you just keep on reverting back anyway..I don't care for edit wars.Annamite tonkinese 14:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think "Conservative and traditional" are good points, and more, only good points to say about the northerners and what about the bads of the southerners? you say nothing!!!, that section clearly violates NPOV! 58.187.147.135 18:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The stereotypes section is clearly NPOV [anyway the winner takes it all in Vietnam :P haha i dont want to say that but if you two do as the losers... :-L ] 58.187.147.135 18:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stereotypes

message: "Nam tien" means "southward expansion" and is euphemism for "we're gonna take the land of the Chams and Khmers because their governments are weak".  It's a long process, starting from around the 11th century and ending during the Nguyen Dynasty.  The map on the right gives a brief overview of the process. During the 18th and early 19th century, Laos and Cambodia were merely protectorates of Dai Nam (Vietnam) and Siam (Thailand).  DHN 06:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My, that's an extremely, extremely interesting map. The Mekong Delta has only been Vietnamese for a few hundred years?  In the U.S., we have a similar concept, that of Manifest Destiny. It meant for the people who believed in it that it was okay to displace and push into the sea the American Indians. Badagnani 06:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Khmers are still miffed about losing their land (the Khmer Rouge initiated border skirmishes during the late 1970s ostensibly to regain the land they lost 200 years ago).  The island Phu Quoc is still being claimed as Cambodian territory (called Koh Tral) by some Cambodians (although the government no longer claim it). DHN 06:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nam Tien 

message: It seems strange that France or French influence is not mentioned at all in this article.  That would seem an important influence on both Northern and Southern Vietnam, in their own particular ways.  Badagnani 19:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Try google "French influence" + "Hanoi" and you will find many articles about that, here is an exemple, just to say that someone that boasts about the metropolitan of Saigon's cuisine is ridiculous. 
http://vietnam-travel .suite101.com/article.cfm/vietnams_gallic_capital_hanoi: ... It's not Paris, but it has an unmistakable French air, not least in the smell of freshly baked baguettes. The best legacy left by the French was their cuisine, and the bread, the croissants, the cheeses and the wines, are the best in Asia... 132.203.114.166 21:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French influence 

message: Why does the article make a point out of saying that calling language variants dialects rather than accents is "erroneous"? There are significant differences in vocabulary and phonology. And even if the difference was only related to phonology, saying dialect would not be incorrect.—Leif Arne Storset 08:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ though. There is variation in phonology, in particular between the many accents of the northern and central regions, but there is no actually unique vocabulary to any region. The vocabulary of Vietnamese is generally standardized and the same words exist everywhere, in varying degrees. Le Anh-Huy (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialect/accent 

message: There are two articles in Vietnamese Wikipedia - :vi:Nam Bộ Việt Nam (南部越南 / Southern Vietnam) and :vi:Bắc Bộ Việt Nam (北部越南 / Northern Vietnam). -✉ Hello World! 17:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're about the regions, not the pre-1976 nation-states, correct? Badagnani 17:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about these two? :vi:Miền Nam Việt Nam (also Southern Vietnam), :vi:Miền Bắc Việt Nam (also Northern Vietnam) and :vi:Miền Trung Việt Nam (Central Vietnam) ? I think the corresponding Chinese for Miền Nam is 南面, but I'm not sure. Furthermore, which one corresponds to which English article?--✉ Hello World! 18:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Miền Nam Việt Nam and Miền Bắc Việt Nam are general regions with no set boundaries.  Nam Bộ Việt Nam and Bắc Bộ Việt Nam were historical administrative regions.  The 1954-1975 states are known by their official names in vi.wiki. DHN 18:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about :vi:Bắc Kỳ, :vi:Trung Kỳ and :vi:Nam Kỳ? They are historical name, right? -✉ Hello World! 18:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They correspond to Tonkin, Annam (French colony), and Cochin China, respectively. DHN 18:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it would be important to add a discussion of all of these Vietnamese terms in the article--can you do it? Badagnani 18:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vietnamese Wikipedia's articles

message: Way does wikipedia always refer to Ho Chi Minh City as Ho Chi Minh City (Formerly known as SaiGon.).? Wikipedia does not use Beijing (Former Beiping.). --82.134.154.25 (talk) 11:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite of the official name of this city, the name 'Saigon' is still being used by people in their daily day. You could see that even the airport has the code SGN not HCMCN =D. So this clarification is necessary.--AM (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Saigon?! 

message: It does not makes sense, Communism is a Western ideology, like Islam.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBr0s (talk • contribs) 23:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  West vs Communism?? 

message: I'm watching a documentary on the cold war with the USA, Communism, etc. and they're talking about North and South Vietnam; some bullet points:
* South-Vietnam and the Vietcong - National Liberation Army against the Anti-communist but autocratic government of ... 
* North Vietnam - Ho-chi Min sharing power with the aggressive Lei ZWUNG (?) who wanted to reunite North and South Vietnam.
Thy --SvenAERTS (talk) 01:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already in the Historical Context section.  The "aggressive" name you heard was Lê Duẩn.  DHN (talk) 18:21, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can anybody make a paragraph on North & South Vietnam denomination in the context of the cold war?