Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad/Archive 19

message: On the side bar, it states that he assumed office on August 3rd.  In the main body, however, it claims he assumed office on August 6th.  Which was it?
Hinate01 (talk) 20:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: he never called the holocaust a myth he simply questioned the extent of it and why palestinians who were not responsible for it should have lost their land - all the accusations of him calling it a myth should be removed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RexRTR54 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I quote (under article Holocaust_denial#Iranian_President_Ahmadinejad) "They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews..."
Note the word - 'Legend'. So basically, he did call it a myth.
Do your research. Ecth (talk) 22:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Myth!?

message: It is crazy that the U.S. government accuses and wants to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his mild criticism of Israel when most of the politicians are completely ignoring the genocide in darfur! cleary money is more important for some than life and freedom.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adfefjhi3 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Ridiculous 

message: Somebody please upload an audio file demonstration the proper pronunciation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's name!
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.243.44 (talk) 00:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There seem to be a lot of people who pronounce the name with hard "ch" sounds ("Machmoud Achmadinejad") and an equal number of people who don't.  Any idea why this is? Jeff Silvers 05:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The hard h people think the name is Arabic. which is not. Ahmadinejad is not an Arabic name. The soft h pronunciation is hence correct.--Zereshk 13:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The name "Ahmad" is considered an Arabic name  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freethymind (talk • contribs) 16:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming we can find a source for this, that might be a good (albeit minor) detail to include in the article. Jeff Silvers 14:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What source?? Ahmadinejad is a Persian name, pronounced as Ah-madi-nejad. Simple. Not "Ach-madi-nejad". It is not our problem if you don't understand Persian names and proper pronunciation. Khorshid 15:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I know.  I meant a source indicating that it's frequently pronounced with the hard "ch" sound.  No need to be snippy, especially if you don't know what I'm saying. Jeff Silvers 01:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: So, whoever IS permitted to edit this article, can we get that pronunciation link set up? It looks like a user has already sent in an OGG of the Persian pronunciation... Khorshid, thank you; (with all due sympathy to Jeff Silvers), I do understand how frustrating it can be to see a name or word consistently mispronounced, and I know how this can make one quick on the trigger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.243.44 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok the name Ahmad is used widely throughout the world, mainly for Muslims. The name Ahmadinejad is Persian. However, they are both supposed to be pronounced with the soft "h" and no "ch" or "kh" sound. Many non-native speakers say "Ahmad" as "Akhmed" or "Achmed", a mispronunciation of the name whether in an Arabic or Persian context.Tamer 14:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: I remember seeing a pic of him on wiki earlier, multiple actually, wtf happened?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.7.203 (talk) 23:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture?

message: He did not say there were "no homosexuals in Iran." He said, ""In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country. In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon. I do not know who has told you that we have it." These two quotes have different meanings, and regardless, you should use the actual quote since it's available. Please fix this. Here is a citation to the exact quote.  --Marksspite133 01:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Iran has between 15,000 and 20,000 transsexuals, according to official statistics, although unofficial estimates put the figure at up to 150,000. Iran carries out more gender change operations than any country in the world besides Thailand. Sex changes have been legal since the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, spiritual leader of the 1979 Islamic revolution, passed a fatwa authorising them nearly 25 years ago. Whereas homosexuality is considered a sin, transsexuality is categorised as an illness subject to cure. While the government seeks to keep its approval quiet, state support has increased since Mr Ahmadinejad took office in 2005. His government has begun providing grants of £2,250 for operations and further funding for hormone therapy. It is also proposing loans of up to £2,750 to allow those undergoing surgery to start their own businesses. --Marksspite133 01:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please correct quote re homosexuals

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I took this out because it wasn't supporting its claim (which already had a ref anyway), but we may consider using this to cover some of the Iranian response.  The Behnam 03:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source can be used 

message: Certain users are discriminately editing and/or deleting content without reason, namely The Behnam The Behnam whose bias is evident upon analysis of profile deletion/editing history. Criticising contributions that you dislike as "forum-ish" does not justify stealing discussion. The page is unfortunately taking on the appearance of privately controlled space through constant censorship by the aforementioned user. THIS IS A PUBLIC DOMAIN SPACE. Action by administrators is called for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.36.11.17 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 27 September 2007
:This is not a "public domain space" and this page exists for no other reason than to discuss changes to the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad article. Removing general comments that treat this page as a forum is standard practice, and as an administrator, I can assure you that no administrative action is required. This is not censorship and this page is not for general discussion related to Ahmadinejad. - auburnpilot talk 20:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right.  Besides, some of the comments I removed were from opposing ends of the issue, so it is amusing that I am described as "biased."  The Behnam 00:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon request

message: Well, I think I found the original transcripts which might proof that he didnt denie the holocaust etc. I'm from germany so reding it would be hard for me, I can read a bit persian, but this might work sb else out. 
Here is the page where you will find the links.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NOR20070120&articleId=4527
beforehand I have to tell you: one transc. is in persian language, one is written in englsih. I hope this will help you.
By the way, In the german wiki- article it is already said that the quotes (wiped off the map etc) are wrong...
--Englishazadipedia
....Well I dont know if ahmadinejad is wrong quoted or not but I'd say the truht will triumph at wikipedia...
:We aren't supposed to interpret the primary sources ourselves, especially with something as controversial as this quote.  The Behnam 23:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: transcripts:allegedly quotes ("Wipe off the map", Holocaust a myth")

message: Prehaps somebody can explain why this template is on this page? Yahel Guhan 06:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, and I don't see an explanation anywhere here, so I'll remove it for now.  Someone can make the case if they want, but seriously, I think there are already enough warning tags on the top to fit just about any grievance.  The Behnam 06:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: globelize template

message: I have a link which criticises Columbias treatment of Mr. Ahmadinejad with that of the the president of Turkmenistan. When the page is unprotected I intend to add it to the appropriate section if there are no realistic objections. Damburger 10:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contrast of columbia's behaviour 

message: I think there should be a section talking about his repeated desire to visit ground zero.  He has discussed the issue in the Iranian news media Slarson 21:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desire to visit to Ground Zero 

message: http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2007/10/1-we-dont-shy-a.html Zeq 04:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good source for quotes by him on Israel 

message: Isn't it somewhat inappropriate for a biography of a President? Simply because the man is virulent doesn't mean we ought to be posting a picture of his screaming with an angry-man-face with an all-black background. It pretty much sets the tone for this article, and that tone is: we hate this man. Which, in all honesty, is probobly true for all of us. That doesn't make it encyclopedic. Does anyone have a picture of him that looks at least somewhat official? The current picture is absolutely ridiculous. -MadarB 05:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not screaming.  Agreed that we should prefer a neutral picture, but that picture isn't all that bad in the grand scheme of things.  There are worse problems with this article.  — Omegatron 01:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture at the top

message: The references section is messed up (in my display) by the sisterlinks template protruding from above. Can someone please add  to sort this out? Also this edit appears to be nothing more than tidying up the formatting (but was reverted, probably per m:wrong version). Could an uninvolved admin please carry out these minor formatting edits? It would be best to mark them as not being to do with the subject of the ongoing mediation, as otherwise the edits might upset some people. If the mediators of the dispute would prefer to handle such matters, they should place a prominent notice at the top of the talk page and remember that currently the top of the article says "You may use  on the talk page to ask for an administrator to make an edit for you." Hence this request. Carcharoth 13:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: added. Disputed content-related edits are currently under active discussion at the mediation page linked to above. Please join the mediation if you are interested in helping bring this article to a reasonable consensus. Thank you. -- Avi 14:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request minor formatting changes 

message: |please redo this contribution , the text doesn't have any source and only seems self made commentary and etc--Pejman47 19:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't appropriate for admins to make significant content changes to protected pages. I believe this page is the subject of mediation; you might want to join that to contribute your opinion. — Carl (CBM · talk) 16:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the mediation is mainly about the lead, there is little disagreement about the rest of the article. That sentence is ridiculous, POV and most importantly UNSOURCED--Pejman47 19:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self Made commentary 

message: the word "konkoor" in parentheses describing the the national university entrance exams that Ahmadinejad took in 1976 should be spelled "concours" as it is a French word. Thanks.
:This is the sort of change that needs to be discussed and agreed first, since people often get upset when the spelling of a word is changed. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  -- Avi 22:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit request 

message: I realize I'm charging into a pretty serious fray here, but is there a reason this article has been left in a protected state for so long? --MBlume 00:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very difficult mediation in which there was edit warring prior and in some instances, post, the protection. If everyone can agree not to edit the difficult parts (mainly the lead) until mediation is completed, perhaps the protection can be lifted. -- Avi 00:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Because a certain user was trying to WP:OWN the article and prevent others from making edits he didn't like. He managed to abuse policies in order to keep the article in his preferred biased state for two months, but consensus eventually prevailed. — Omegatron 16:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: 
As per the mediation regarding the controversial 3rd paragraph in the introduction, please replace this with the following.
:He has been widely quoted as calling for the dissolution of the state of Israel and its government which he does not regard as legitimate or representative of the population.
"Iran president says U.N. sanctions unlikely", CNN, April 24, 2006, 
"Iran president: Israel flies Satan's flag", USA Today, August 18, 2007
 Like many in the Muslim world he has called for "free elections" in the region giving the Palestinians a stronger voice in the region's future."U.N. Scrutiny Won't Make Iran Quit Nuclear Effort, President Says" Naila Fathi, New York Times January 15 2006
"Iran denies Israel attack threat" New York Times October 29, 2005 One of his most criticized statements was one in which, according to some translations, he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," but interpretations of this statement vary widely.
*“International condemnation has greeted comments by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that the Nazi Holocaust was ‘a myth’.”  "Holocaust comments spark outrage", BBC News, December 14 2005.
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*"The European Union and Russia have joined condemnation of the Iranian president's public call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'." "Iran leader's comments attacked", BBC News, October 27, 2005.
*"Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad -- who in October called for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' -- has now questioned the extent of the Holocaust and suggested that the Jewish state be moved to Europe. Ahmadinejad's comments, made on the sidelines of a summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), have again sparked international condemnation." Golnaz Esfandiari. "Iran: President's Latest Comments About Israel Spark Further Condemnation", Radio Free Europe, December 9 2005.
*"Leaders around the world on Thursday condemned a call by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel be 'wiped off the map,'... In a joint statement, the E.U. leaders 'condemned in the strongest terms' the Iranian president's call..." Mary Jordan and Karl Vick. World Leaders Condemn Iranian's Call to Wipe Israel 'Off the Map', Washington Post, October 28 2005
*"In unusually strong language, the National Council of Churches USA has condemned Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s call for the obliteration of Israel and his claim that the Holocaust was “a myth.”" NCC Condemns Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust Statement, National Council of Churches, December 16 2005.
*"Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was condemned in the West when he called the Holocaust a myth."  Michael Slackman. In Tehran, a riposte to the Danish cartoons The New York Times, August 24 2006.
*"In October 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was condemned for calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and followed up with comments downplaying the Holocaust." Israel planning tactical nuclear strike on Iran, Daily News Sri Lanka, January 8 2007.
*"Ahmadinejad has been widely condemned for describing the Holocaust as a "myth" and calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map" Germans Protest Against Ahmadinejad, Racism As Cup Opens, Deutsche Welle, June 11 2006.
*"Ahmadinejad has been condemned internationally after denying the Holocaust, and calling for Israel to be 'wiped off the map.'" Sharon's absence from world stage prompts conflicting views, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, January 5 2006
*"Mr Ahmadinejad has been condemned for calling for Israel's destruction and saying the Nazi Holocaust was a 'myth'." Bayern Munich deny backing Iran, BBC News, January 13 2006.
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"When Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks out candidly — as is his habit — he scares a lot of people. He has said more than once that Israel should be wiped off the map, and that the Holocaust is an overblown fairytale.…‘Israel, you have said time and again, Israel must be wiped off the map. Please explain why. And what is Iran doing about that?’ Wallace asked.…Then Wallace tried to get the president back to his most inflammatory statement regarding Israel. ‘You are very good at filibustering,’ Wallace remarked. ‘You still have not answered the question. You still have not answered the question. Israel must be wiped off the map. Why?’‘Well, don't be hasty sir,’ the president said. ‘I'm going to get to that. I think that the Israeli government is a fabricated government.’" "Iranian Leader Opens Up:Ahmadinejad Speaks Candidly With Mike Wallace About Israel, Nukes, Bush", 60 Minutes, CBS News, August 13, 2006. Accessed 2006-10-18
"Just How Far Did They Go, Those Words Against Israel?", Ethan Bronner, The New York Times, June 11, 2006 
"Ahmadinejad misunderstood, says Iran", Daily Times of Pakistan, February 22, 2006
 He has also been condemned for describing the Holocaust as a myth"'They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets,' Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting. 'The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets,' he said. '(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet.'" ... "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said. "Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?" "Iranian leader: Holocaust a 'myth'", CNN, December 14, 2005. leading to accusations of antisemitism.
*"Iran's Football team will be met with a series of protests across Germany during their World Cup campaign as anger mounts against the country's viciously anti-semitic President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." "Iran team face mass protest", The Guardian, June 11 2006.
*"The current president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a bit of a loose cannon, spouting anti-Semitic and anti-Israel vitriol and vehemently denying that the Holocaust ever occurred." Keeble Mcfarlane. "Is the Bush League gearing up for war with Iran?", The Jamaica Observer, February 17 2007.
*"Each time the White House issues threats against Iran, it strengthens the crude, anti-semitic prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad". Gary Younge. "Once George Bush has got hold of a bad idea he just can't let it go", The Guardian, February 19 2007.
*"Ahmadinejad's recent anti-Semitic statements have added to fears in Israel that Iran's nuclear program is intended to produce weapons that could be used against that country." The Associated Press. "Eurovision may ban Israeli entry due to lyrics on nuclear war", Haaretz, 02/03/2007.
*"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent anti-Semitic remarks may have dealt a fatal blow to the already fragile negotiation process due to restart next week over Iran's nuclear program, German experts have said." Stefan Nicola. "German Experts Worried By Iranian Nukes", United Press International, December 16 2005.
*"Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's remarks calling the Holocaust into question have disappointed Muslims in Germany, who do not share his anti-Semitic views." "Iran's Rhetoric on Holocaust Anger German Muslims", Deutsche Welle, February 18 2006.
*"Of course Ahmadinejad is an anti-Semite, and anyone who doubts it is either a knave or a fool." Bret Stephens. "Anti-Anti-Semitism defended", The New Republic', February 12 2007.
*"Ahmadinejad is an easy target — a simplistic, rambling, blustering anti-Semite — in pop culture terms, he's "Borat" with a mandate and political clout." "We won't be fooled again", The News Leader, February 15 2007.
*"Mr. Ahmadinejad's anti Semitism is a true face of the Iranian government." Ghassem Namazi. "We should be sorry", Iranian.com, February 1 2006.
*"That's why it is of vital importance for the U.S. to find a way to eradicate Khomeinism that fuels Ahmadinejad's anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism without alienating the Shia." Sayyed, Tashbih The Bane Of Jihad, Muslim World Today, January 26 2007.
*"Iran's highly unpleasant President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started uttering anti-Semitic screeds." Molly Ivins. "Ivins: Wow! Some real diplomacy!", CNN, June 8 2006.
*"German Chancellor Angela Merkel also took issue with Iran's anti-Semitic remarks of late, even saying that the Holocaust could've been avoided if people weren't so complacent, according to Reuters. "Looking back to German history in the early 1930s when National Socialism was on the rise, there were many outside Germany who said, 'It's only rhetoric -- don't get excited,' " Merkel said, according to Reuters. She added: "A president who questions Israel's right to exist, a president who denies the Holocaust, cannot expect to receive any tolerance from Germany."" "Iran: Nuclear talks still possible", CNN, February 5 2006.
* "Making a reference to Ahmadinejad and his remarks, Norbert Lammert, president of the Bundestag, the German parliament, said the "last weeks have shown how much we are in need of this commemoration day, and not only us Germans. "With dismay we have had to note that today, even presidents insist on describing the Holocaust as a 'fairy tale' and go so far as to make anti-Semitic remarks."" "German legislator, at ceremony, takes shot at Iranian leader's stance on Holocaust", CNN, January 28 2006.
*"The remarks by Ahmadinejad coincided with a month-long protest against Israel called "World Without Zionism" and with the approach of Jerusalem Day... Ottawa also issued a strong rebuke, with Canadian Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew saying: "We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance. These comments are all the more troubling given that we know of Iran's nuclear ambitions."" "Annan: 'Dismay' over Iranian comments on Israel", CNN, October 27 2005.
*"The far-right has said it will support Iran for the anti-Semitic comments of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." Laura Smith-Spark. "Racism fears dog World Cup build-up", BBC News, May 26 2006.
*"The German parliament speaker, Norbert Lammert, said the last few weeks had shown "not only us Germans how very much we need this day of commemoration". "It is with consternation that we have realised that even today heads of state describe the Holocaust as a myth and even go as far as making anti-Semitic statements," he said." "Annan condemns Holocaust denial", BBC News, January 27 2006.
*""Fair play for an anti-Semite?" reads a front-page headline in Germany's DIE TAGESZEITUNG. The daily describes the Iranian president as a "Holocaust denier and enemy of Israel"." "European press review", BBC News, April 10 2006.
*"He was defeated by the even more hard-line and anti-Semitic Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...". Joel C. Rosenberg. Epicenter: Why the Current Rumblings in the Middle East Will Change Your Future, Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2006, p. 109, 
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*"President Ahmadinejad’s invective that the Holocaust never happened is a sobering reminder of the corrosive power of ignorance, desperation, and hatred. It is no accident that among the first protests of the Iranian president’s statement were those of German leaders, whose parents were witnesses of the horrible reality of the Holocaust.  Anti-Semitism’s most vociferous manifestation is the “Big Lie” now coming from Tehran." NCC Condemns Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust Statement, National Council of Churches, December 16 2005.
 In response to these criticisms, Ahmadinejad said “No, I am not anti-Jew, I respect them very much.”
Thanks.
--Mcorazao (talk) 04:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page has been unprotected and another user added the information. Cheers, Daniel 11:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Israel being wiped of the map... -.- he must have been blackmailed to say that. For a university student like him, I hardly believe he supports that kind of radicalism. Why is everyone pointing fingers at ahmadinejad? Bush and mahmood just sign things, which can be anything like war inauguarations etc... there are other ppl to blame to have caused the leading to the current one than the presidents themselves. --µWiki   Talk / Contributions  (YouWiki) 23:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction mediation resolution