Talk:Easy Rider

message: The plot section states: "with two woman SEEMING to...". This is a POV, since it's someone personal opinion instead of proven facts regarding this movie. Needs a rewritting. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 17:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL! That's funny! I love it when abusive editors rip apart people's work! Good job! Keeping up my faith in wikipedia (Lower case intentional)!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.58.247.77 (talk) 23:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV detected!

message: - Wyatt and Billy scored drug money one time only in the entire movie.
- There's no dialogue to assure that they're drug dealers instead of mere couriers to the "connection" (played by Phil Spector).
- Character background story is not provided.
- The goal of both characters was to score money in order of "to retire" in Florida. We could think on retirement from the drug dealing business OR retirement from a previous style of life not described in the movie (not drug-related).
- We can't see the characters dealing with drugs along the movie for profit, instead they offer drugs for free to other characters (Hanson, played by Jack Nicholson, and the hookers). Sharing drugs was "in" with the hippie style of life they have and not necessarily have anything to do with criminal enterprise.
- According to the 60's zeitgeist, they're moving away from The Man, so I decided to rewrite their occupation as "freewheeling hippies" instead of "drug dealers" as previously stated in the article. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: They're not drug dealers

message: I added a link to my blog which has been 2 years of research and visiting movie locations in Easy Rider crossing several states. To my knowledge, it is the only of its kind to show a map, and screenshots from the movie as well as what the sites look like today. MrZip66 (talk) 14:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. This is one of the greatest films of all time. It's up there with 2001: A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner, Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, etc. The Wookieepedian 11:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your question: The contribution you made was both commentary and extreme POV as outlined in the Wikipedia guidlines. If you dispute this, you are welcome to follow the guidlines, and officially dispute the deletion. Rsm99833 09:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Isn't Hopper, Wyatt and Fonda, Billy? The article has it vice versa Boondocks Ranch 13:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the article looks correct to me. Check the imdb page also. --David Edgar 11:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is right. Fonda's Wyatt AKA Capt. America, Hopper is Billy. I just re-watched the film plus the documentary and I also watched with the commentary, so believe me, I'm up to my ears in Easy Rider right now, and I can safely tell you the article is right.207.127.128.2 04:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nope, along the movie Dennis Hopper character states his name as Billy and Peter Fonda character as "Captain America". Hopper is Billy and Fonda is Wyatt, so. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 17:44, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wyatt & Billy

message: There's a howler of a slanderous misstatement in the trivia part of this article: "In the documentary, "Easy Rider: Shaking the Cage", Hopper claims he told the locals that he raped and killed a young girl outside of town in order to elicit the responses he wanted from the local men." I watched the documentary last night (it's on the DVD) and what Hopper says is, he told the local cops in the diner scene to play it AS IF Billy, Wyatt and George had raped a girl outside of town. -- EB
It's actually ambiguous the way Hopper says it. I watched the documentary recently, and what he says is that they can hurl whatever abuse they like, "cuz we just raped and murdered a girl outside of town." I assumed he meant the characters, too, but it is an ambiguous...Snyrt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.68.117 (talk) 21:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If Hopper had said to the town sheriff that he had just raped a girl, odds are that the sheriff have arrested him in no time. I saw the documentary and I concluded, by the most obvious interpretation, that Hopper asked the sheriff to treat them AS IF they just raped a girl from outside of town. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Misstatement

message: This article states "The score of the film was asked to be done entirely by The Band."
Easy Rider Soundtrack states "... Crosby, Stills, and Nash were originally slated to do the soundtrack ..."
Which is correct? Or maybe both are in some way? Neither of them appears to be referenced. --David Edgar 11:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: McGuinn has long stated that Dylan gave him the lyric "roll river roll". The implication being McGuinn then wrote the rest of the song. He has been insistent on Dylan's contribution and always credits Dylan whenever talking about this tune. I think I can come up with a quote and will source this when I get the opportunity.THX1136 (talk) 13:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnny Rogan's book, Timeless Flight, has the following quote from McGuinn: "Dylan did write half the lyrics and I wrote the other half . . .". Rogan states that this statement by McGuinn was after an earlier interview where "McGuinn again stressed that Dylan was responsible only for composing a couple of lines". This information was taken from page 129 of the book published by Square One Books Ltd., 3rd ed., 1991, ISBN 1 872848 00 0. This section of the book is a track by track look at the Ballad of Easy Rider album. As this does not verify the authorship of the first verse I am reluctant to use it as a citation in this instance. It does support, in a general way, the statement in the article itself. Also, the footnote (31) used in the next paragraph supports the authorship question. THX1136 (talk) 01:42, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Film score

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message: Didn't the group "Dance for our dinner," rather than sing for supper?Phaedrus420 00:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: misquote

message: Though cocaine is implied, it is never stated. This was intentional. (source was an interview on NPR with Fonda, but it seems more important to have sources for the facts, not lack of) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.49.163 (talk) 05:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never stated, also, was the possibility of both characters be just couriers instead of dealers of something that appears to be cocaine. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the "Shaking the Cage" feature on the 30th anniversary DVD release (which I recently watched), Fonda implies that powdered sugar was used in the scene where he and Hopper partake of the drug before buying from the dealer in Mexico.THX1136 (talk) 13:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracy

message: After reading the article I realized that it's missing something important: cultural/historical context. It comes across as though it's written for people who are already cognizant of that context, which is undoubtedly true for some readers, but it shouldn't be assumed to be the case for everybody. It needs to have some material that lays out that context and explains how the film hooked into the :zeitgeist, for readers who weren't around in the U.S. at the time it was made.
Also, I was expecting the Impact section to discuss the critical reaction at the time (not just its award noms), and especially the film's reception among the under-30 generation. There is some material that touches on that -- the lines re Steal This Book and Doonesbury -- but the meaning of Abbie Hoffman's remark is ambiguous as presented here, and in any event, there should be a full paragraph on each of these larger subjects (which would also help in terms of giving readers a sense of the cultural/historical context). Hope this has been helpful! Cgingold 19:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Context?

message: I marked this because it states that Rip Torn pulled a knife, then later goes on to say Torn won a lawsuit against Hopper for saying that very thing on television. 69.221.158.99 (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradict

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message: Perhaps the article could mention the sequel that was planned, "Biker Heaven"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guano II (talk • contribs) 21:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unproduced sequel

message: The first paragraph of the article states that Jack Nicholson is one of the writers of the movie. I have never seen a reference for this anywhere before as either a credited or uncredited writer. And I don't believe he is listed in the WGA as such. Can anyone verify this? Tlatseg (talk) 07:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicolson as writer???

message: The article presently reads toward the bottom:
When CSN viewed a rough cut of the film, they assured Hopper that they could not do any better than he already had.
I assume "CSN" means Crosby, Stills, and Nash, but I don't know this for certain; furthermore, it isn't explained why "CSN" (whatever this means) viewed a rough cut of the film.
Perhaps someone could explain? --Skb8721 (talk) 01:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it referred to Crosby, Stills & Nash. Your quote from the "Shaking the Cage" documentary is connected. After the fact, but wanted to verify for future readers.THX1136 (talk) 13:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: What is "CSN"?

message: Source? Only one member of the gang pops pills and only after the government messes with him. As for the gang of bikers? Bōsōzoku Not every free spirited motorcyclist in Japan is influenced by Easy Rider. This clearly looks like someone's opinion instead of something the author said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.186.228 (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop Culture References: Akira

message: I reverted this edit which was explained as "what is the mania with inflation adjustments? things have changed so much, these numbers are meaningless)"<P>
Indeed, things have changed. That is the point of inflation. By adjusting for inflation, you compensate for the many ways that things have changed in order to get a better idea of how much money was actually spent. I added the  template to get a more accurate number.<P>If the point is to object in principle to the concept of Inflation, well, see Wikipedia:Fringe theories: Inflation is a widely accepted, mainstream tool for understanding change in value over time. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inflation of $500 price of four motorcycles 

message: That phrase is incredibly bad english. Greglocock (talk) 04:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually perfectly valid English. Nothing grammatically, syntactically, or semantically incorrect in that sentence. If you're trying to say you don't understand what it means, just say that. Yworo (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think I understand what the idea is , but the phrasing is appalling. Freedom in an absolute sense is not an achievable state compared with enlightenment or bankruptcy, for example.Greglocock (talk) 23:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that complete freedom comes with complete enlightenment, so if enlightenment is attainable then so is freedom. Another way would be to eliminate all obstacles to freedom, though that would probably require either the elimination of all other people or complete withdrawal from them. People who choose to live on the high seas come pretty close to this ideal. Yworo (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Achieve freedom, in lede

message: Please integrate it! 87.164.124.81 (talk) 21:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should it be? It's a different film. Do you have sources connecting or comparing them? Yworo (talk) 23:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: WP:SOFIXIT. If you want to integrate it, you need to find something to integrate in a quality source. It's not that hard. For example, here, is a good source which gives the opinion that the acid trip sequence in Easy Rider is derived from a similar scene in The Trip.  There are other sources that discuss the two films as well: .<P>Sitting around bitching about deletionists is no substitute for doing the work yourself. All you need is to meet Wikipedia's basic standards for any article, which means closely following what has been said by reliable sources, with no embellishment. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Since we don't lack of sources saying the movies are related, there's no valid reason to leave The Trip out of this article. Trying to expunge content from any article because of something unrelated to the article that one of the actors said is not acceptable. It is also not acceptable to ignore consensus by returning to the article to delete content you don't like. That is edit warring and it is likely to result in a block from editing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Trip (1967 film)]] is not mentioned 

message: It has a pretty clear Don Quixote theme to it. Fonda is Quixote. Hopper is Panza. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.230.115 (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Quixote theme 

message: In the opening scene of the movie, Wyatt and Billy arrive at the La Contenta Bar riding off-road/motocross bikes.  I believe these bikes should be mentioned in the Motorcycles section of the article.  I, for one, would like to know what they were, which is what drew me to the article.  I've been unable to determine the make/model of either bike, however.--Racwp (talk) 00:44, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fonda on red Bultaco Pursang, Hopper maybe on Norton P11 Ranger.--193.159.103.128 (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorcycles section 

message: I would like to note that the citation formatting and also the reference section style and headings are subject to WP:CITEVAR: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change." The headings in this article have always been a level2 "Notes" and a level2 "References" section, as they are in this revision from 19 March 2016. I don't see any discussion about this started on the talk page by the involved editor, much less any new consensus, so the citations and sections should remain as they are and not be changed from the current state of the article, which is the continuation of its historical headings, to a single individual editor's "preferred" headings. That means you, User:Beyond My Ken. You know better. Skyerise (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to reference section headings 

message: The last part of the Plot section might have grown a little long. A shorter version could be:
The ambiguity of the last scene, and the implied motives of the rednecks -- that they meant to scare but not necessarily hit Billy with the first shot, but then returned to kill Wyatt since he was a witness -- can be fully described in an Analysis section, along with commentary on the use of a disorienting reverse cut that emphasizes the the Captain America bike crashing, but not showing the rider, and the stars and stripes fuel tank explodes. Also, the military funereal-like covering of Billy with an American flag and Wyatt's stars and stripes helmet left behind on the side of the road as he rides for help. The rising crane shot from a helicopter suggests the poiont of view of a character's spirit upon death -- see Felina (Breaking Bad) , Community S1E23, etc. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the last scene in the plot section 

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