Talk:Majin Buu/Archive 3

message: And severely, at that.
An encyclopedia entry isn't supposed to be a straight-up "blow-by-blow" account of everything done by a person or thing EVAR~!!, especially when the article has its roots in fiction. The amount of bloat here is obscene; *no* person unfamiliar with the character is going to want to wade through all that. For a long time now, editors have been stuffing Buu with something other than candy - superfluous stuff added just because "it's there", and Wikipedia is NOT a breakdown of every DBZ pinch fight. I don't mean to single this article out or come off as belligerent (despite being sooooo good at it) but while Majin Buu's not alone by the longest of shots, it truly is a bad case.
We've all been guilty of it at one time or another, but the KISS principle needs to be put into full effect: show most of this 67 KB calam... *ahem*, plot synopsis the door. Papacha 20:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SWEET PROTESTANT HERCULES but this article is bloated ~~

message: I really feel this should go above transformations and stuff like that, especially if Neko Majin Z is ever expanded upon. Techniques, forms, etc. are just toppings on the cake; these are actual uses of the character in another medium and should have more importance. I'd also put his spot in Neko Majin Z above video games, as it's manga from Toriyama. Voice of Treason 22:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The forms he takes are all important as he is shown in some of them for a great deal of time and need to be in the core of the article.  Even if he has shown up in Neko Majin Z, its not exactly that important yet, does anyone in the west even know about it compared to the Buu they know from DBZ?  His DBZ-ness is the most important part of the article.Darkwarriorblake 13:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree, but instead of having a revert war (just like old times!) would like to survey the interest of other editors in a straw poll, just to get everyone's feelings on the matter and where the article should go. Both Cell and Freeza are set up in this manner, and I think it's best for Buu to flow the same way. Voice of Treason 03:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that kind of structure is non sensical, it is placed such that after reading about what he has done, you can easily scroll and see the differences between the Buu's.  Why would you want to know about Neko Majin Z and his other appearances mid-way?Darkwarriorblake 22:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because those appearances, those uses of another character are more important than "Generic Ki Attack, #1B". As an encyclopedic entry, those rank above attack lists in order of prominence, or should (in my opinion) anyway. Voice of Treason 23:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Superman has a section like that at the bottom and it's a featured article, so I think the section should be left there. Nemu 23:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, it's set up with different comic incarnations of the character (Golden Age/Silver Age/Modern Age) above all else, which is more similar to DBZ/Neko Majin than what you're reasoning for. Voice of Treason 23:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Characters like Superman aren't the best example, there are so many comic book revamps (as mentioned). It's just a concern I have for improving DBZ articles, other stuff like it not even having a character template like Naruto, Tenchi Muyo!, InuYasha, and others and the bad way the minor character (and even most of the majors) are in. Voice of Treason 23:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't particularly mind it going above the attacks but again I think its an illogical structure, background, forms, he was in Neko majin, attacks.  But attacks are the least important section I think.Darkwarriorblake 23:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is the reason for the survey. I don't at all mind if you guys dissent, just looking for your thoughts so the article could be set-up, then improved. Voice of Treason 23:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand what you mean by it not having a character template like Naruto, tenchi Muyo, etc.  I've seen teh naruto page, its horrendous.  Truly eye gougingly bad.Darkwarriorblake 00:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's where I don't understand where you mean; I think the Naruto page is set up far better than the articles at Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z. It may be a matter of preference, but I don't know why you'd think it was eye-gougingly bad. Character templates aren't really a concern, just something I had seen done on most other VG/anime pages. Voice of Treason 01:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't like how the pages are set up, maybe you should try to set up a Dragon Ball WikiProject. Nemu 01:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a project set-up, if I recall correctly. Voice of Treason 04:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in other media 

message: Should the section be made into a paragraph format? Would that make it look more enclyclopedic? Nemu 23:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, bullets are for the best. Paragraphs would run on. Voice of Treason 23:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special abilities 

message: There's no cites, notes, or sources (non-verifiable), layout isn't what it should be with play-by-play in the main portions of the text, there's no outside views, opinions, or reasons for creation of this fictional character from Toriyama and others, images don't have the proper fair use rationale, there's a good many suggestions in the peer review that haven't been followed, etc. It's better than what it was, but Buu is far from a good article. If I hadn't contributed significantly to the page I'd fail it myself.
It's also unstable, the reason why it's protected and been an issue for so many admins the last few months. Voice of Treason 06:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This won't pass GA 

message: I wash my hands of it. Since Darkwarriorblake's so eager to accuse me of WP:OWN, breaking WP:NPOV, having a cabal with Nemu, and, paraphrasing his words, is able to ignore the three revert rule where I am not, I'll refrain from again ever editing this article. I usually hate these spiels, as they come off as sad cries for attention, but since he deems it a big enough deal to effectively name me the next Wiki-star I thought I'd formally announce it for the benefit of the group. 
Sorry. I didn't want to be Joel Siegel at a screening of Clerks II. Voice of Treason 03:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Time to go!" 

message: Which is Majin Buu's TRUE base form? Is it Fat Buu or Kid Buu? In my opinion, it cannot be Fat Buu because he was the result of Super Kid Buu absorbing Grand Supreme Kai. Majin Buu started out as Kid Buu, so I think that it is his base form and should be on the profile table. Not only is Kid Buu his base form, but his final form also. --Jienum 20:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think it should be the most recognizable form. Most people are going to see Fat Buu before any other version. He's also the one around the longest and still continues to exist.Nemu 20:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you're not counting the Non-Canonical Dragonball GT, the one who is seen for most of the time is Super Buu. I don't think it really matters which one is seen for most time, so I think the base form should stay, namely Kid Buu. It is, after all, the true form of Majin Buu, isn't it? Jienum 22:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fat Buu is the best choice because its the first form veiwers/readers see him in, it's his most recognizable form and is around the longest. Fat Buu by far is the most important Buu, and is also a "good guy". Kid Buu is around for the shortest time (less than one volume) and doesn't even speak.--KojiDude (talk) 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's true. Fat Buu is the good guy. Jienum 11:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not as simple as that. In the end, there were TWO Majin Buus. One Fat, one Kid. If it's possible that the now good Fat Buu could have the Kais removed from him and turn him into another Kid Buu, then yes, Kid Buu is the base form. Jienum 12:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base Form?? 

message: "With a new home, Fat Buu, now known as Mr. Buu, is free to live a peaceful life with Mr. Satan, but has a hard time adapting to human laws, especially the concept of money, which he wins in a money-hustling game against a boxer. Over the years, Mr. Buu gets used to his new life, and frequently helps Bulma with her shopping.
At one point, Mr. Buu foils a robbery being committed by the boxer and his manager. Using the same bullet trick Raditz once used on a farmer, Mr. Buu manages to scare the robbers out and make them surrender to the police. This also humiliates Gohan and Videl, who had just shown up in their Saiyaman attire to stop them."
I don't think this is nesecary info, so I was going to remove it, but I decided to ask other people's opinions first.--KojiDude 18:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For your information, it was I who put it, thank you very much. Anyway, was it Anime Filler? If it was, then delete it. I'm not bothered now that I've realized I only lessened it's chances of becoming a GA. Jienum 21:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Un-needed? 

message: I tried to change his race from unique to djinn but someone keeps changing it back...it states in the manga that he is a djinn. --The Fear 22:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to show a source? That may just be part of his name. We don't really know, so it should be left unique. Nemu 22:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a source...volumes 21-26. It specifically says he is a djinn. Just curious, have you read the manga? ill try to look for pages on the web that says he is a djinn. --The Fear 14:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone ever called him a djinn besides in his name? It can just be his name. We don't know unless it's stated that a djinn is actually a race and not his name. Nemu 14:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Could it be possible that "Djinn" means "Majin"? I mean, the "Majin" sounds like "Demon Person" if you think about it (Ma + Jin). Jienum 11:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  he's a djinn... 

message: I know that some of you say that Fat Buu should stay in the table, and others say Kid Buu should. I think the best way to settle this little matter is to put it to a vote. Jienum 22:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be Kid Buu because that's his true form. Sasuke-kun27 02:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is his true form, but the problem is, in the end, there are two Majin Buus, one Kid and one Fat. The evil one's base form is Kid Buu, and the good one's base form is Fat Buu, since he can't become another Kid Buu. That's the small problem. But still, I believe that Kid Buu should go in, though I've already voted. Jienum 10:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it should be the form that would be reffered to the most. Fat Buu seems much more notable and sticks around. Nemu 15:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes. Nemu 15:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright, then. Let's vote.
*Kid Buu Jienum 20:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which form should go in the ID Table??? 

message: Hey guys, just dropped by to look at the article. Quick note: if something is covered in one of the Buu Saga articles, and is more about the saga then Buu, it doesn't need to be in the Buu article. That's what the for more info lines are for. Take a look at some of the Marvel character pages, a good amount of them have histories that are more fleshed out (due to their longevity) then Buu's, but have smaller pages. Cable (comics) and Jean Grey are good ones. There aren't any featured articles on anime characters with large histories to base pages like Buu's off of, but these articles show how you can sacrifice specifics for quality. Well, I'm out for the next few weeks to continue my Wiki-break. And please, get rid of some of the images.--Orion Minor 04:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetative Info 

message: I tried to insert that Fat Buu was in Battle Staduim DON but it was deleted. I'd like an explination as to why that happened (and if you're only including games that were released in the US then why are Super Butoden 3 and Hyper Dimension on there?).
Starone 17:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Games

message: There is a section for Boo when he has Piccolo, Trunks and Goten in him (right after Gotenks defuses), but what about the part where he only has Piccolo in his body?  This happens after Goku and Vegeta pull out the pods containing Goten, Trunks and Gohan.  He changes to a version of Boo wearing Piccolo's purple outfit.  This is indeed a seprate form of Boo! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chibi Gohan (talk • contribs) .
:They're the same exact thing with a very minor difference, so it's only worth a quick mention in that section. Piccolo is just alone, and his appearance is slightly different.  Nemu 22:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like that belongs in the trivia section if anything. I could be wrong, but I don't even think that happened in the manga. There really isn't enough to give a whole section too. Onikage725
Super Buu was not wearing a purple outfit after Goku and Vegeta pulled out gohan, goten, and trunks. Super Buu was only wearing a white cape not to mention pants and boots.
http://images.myfavoritegames.com/gallery-db-z-gt-x/Screenshots/Dragonball_Z/15._Fusion_Saga/260._Deadly_Vision/260-21.jpg This will prove it.
He only has the Piccolo cape. Darkwarriorblake 22:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Boo with Piccolo absorbed

message: Majin buu doesnt learn Goku's Teleportation but Kibitoshin's Kaikai this needs to be changed DBZROCKS 13:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you tell?--SUIT-n-tie 05:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorect move