Talk:Zaza

message: Periodically, this article seems to get what appears to me to be subtle vandalism: redirection of links, removal of information. It may be that these changes are actually correct but unexplained: I don't know the topic well enough to distinguish. However, given the pattern, please if you are removing content or redirecting links in this article, please explain either on the discussion page or (if it is really simple) in your change comment. -- Jmabel 17:17, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)
:The vandalism has been stepped up, both in frequency and blatancy. Does anyone other than me think this page should be protected? I hesitate to do that unilaterally. -- Jmabel 14:57, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)
sory what is vandalism?
one kurdish facist say Zaza are kurd
I´am one Zaza and I´am not kurd and not turk
I like not facist poeple and fascismus! --- (posted by User:62.245.207.10 . Sig added by Jmabel 05:22, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC))
OK, I'm new to this issue of page protection. Does anyone have any sense of how it is customary to proceed when a page is protected due to persistent vandalism? I'm guessing that any proposed new content should just be written here to the talk page. How do we then stage it to the article? And do we lift the protection temporarily to stage it, or what? -- Jmabel 17:01, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
Hello I have edited this article as the information it contained largely in relation to the kurdishness of the zaza people was insulting to my people, the zazas. user:Avenger
user:Avenger: My guess is that you have a clue on a subject I lack. You seem to feel that the Zaza do not consider it an insult to be called Kurds. I had added that because the page kept getting vandalized (and I do mean vandalized: inappropriately redirecting links, things like that), apparently by one or more ethnic Zazas, who kept objecting to any link between Zaza and Kurds (see an example above, from one of the few to write on the talk page instead of messing with the article). So is there a wide range of views on this among the Zaza, or what? -- Jmabel 00:43, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hello,
the site was'nt vandalised by ethnic zaza people but by those who have a grudge against the kurdish people in general. The turkish authorities now understand that they cant go on denying that kurds are an ethnicity in there own right, due to developments like the iraq war were the usa was allied to kurds (puk and Kdp). So now they claim that people who have always felt that they are kurds are not realy kurds whatsoever. By this they hope to cause fissures in the kurdish move towards independence. E.g they say "your not even a real kurd, so why fight for the kurdish cause". the truth is the kurdish people are not based on a language, as even the mainstream kurdish dialects e.g kurmanci and sorani are quite divergent. The kurdish identity is based on believing your a kurd. e.g there are people in southern kurdistan who are ethnicaly african but who refer to themselves as kurds. for most kurds these people are kurds as they refer to themselves as kurds.  Infact rather than considering it an insult to be called a kurd the zaza consider themselves to be the truest repersentaion of the kurds as they have been living in kurdistan and speaking a kurdish dialect for longest out of all the people in the region who call themselves kurds.user:avenger
Sounds reasonable. In any case, you clearly are more knowledgable on the topic than anyone else who has worked on this page. Would you be interested in trying to significantly expand this article and the article Zazaki? If you could cite some references (online or in print, ideally but not necessarily in English), that would be particularly useful. -- Jmabel 03:33, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
A bunch of my friends saw this page after seeing the web page www.zaza.ytmnd.com and changed one of the links on the page to meatspin.  I say this because some of the vandalism might be young men who have nothing better to do (ie. no life), and don't respect other people's cultures.  I hope that I could have been of assistance to you in some way or other, by shedding light upon this issue (particularly the connection between the vandalism and www.zaza.ytmnd.com). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.134.123.158 (talk • contribs) 8 November 2006.
: I'm sure that most of the vandalism is young men who have nothing better to do. Or don't have the intelligence to perceive that there are better things to do. Now that hubcaps are bolted onto cars… - Jmabel | Talk 21:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Subtle vandalism

message: zazaki dialect speakers are kurds ! boycot wikipedia!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.190.79 (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  zazaki dialect speakers are kurds ! boycot wikipedia!