Talk:Huldrych Zwingli

message: RelHistBuff, you have removed the bit about Zwingli's music with the comment "replace, will expand": what will you expand, when and where? I will concur that the "legacy" section may not be the best place to discuss Zwingli-the-musician, but the topic is of some importance wrt his stance on music in religious service. Mention of his three surviving hymns should also be part of a comprehensive article on Zwingli. The 1960 article by Hannes Reimann (citation of which you have removed) is a good source for this. dab (𒁳) 13:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it in the liturgy section. However, there is more modern research on the three songs. I will get to this eventually. --RelHistBuff (talk) 13:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do imagine there is more recent literature :) I depend on jstor.org for this... since Zwingli's musical activity was precisely not liturgy, we might give some details on his musical education and talent in the "early years" section. dab (𒁳) 13:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem about putting something in on his musical education in the "Early years" section. Just remember to add the citation. --RelHistBuff (talk) 14:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: On a related subject, the sentence, "Zwingli enjoyed music greatly and could play, among other instruments, the violin, the harp, flute, dulcimer and hunting horn", was in the original version of the article, but it had no citation. None of my sources mention the specific instruments that he played. I am going to check Locher's book; perhaps there might be something there. If you know of a source, could you add it in? --RelHistBuff (talk) 14:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Zwingli and music

message: The "Zürich Bible" is this publication, appeared 2007, . The particular text contributed to by Zwingli is known as the Froschauer Bibel because it appeared with Christoph Froschauer from 1525. dab (𒁳) 18:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources explicitly give the name of the first translation as the "Zürich Bible". Perhaps the first translation is commonly called Froschauer Bibel among germanophones, but since the anglophone sources call it the Zürich Bible, then we have to respect the sources. What we could do is to add an clause such as "The Zürich Bible translation, commonly called the Froschauer Bibel in German,add cite traditionally attributed ...". But a citation should be added. --RelHistBuff (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: If you insist on changing it, then go ahead, I will not revert. But please add the footnote on "Froschauer Bibleadd cite". Neither Gäbler nor Potter used it, so the credit has to go to another source. --RelHistBuff (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: No problem with your suggestion. I personally do not object to calling it the Froschauer Bible. As I implied previously, I am simply trying to keep to the wiki-policy of saying only what the sources say and adding nothing else. I will look for more sources on the naming of the Bible. --RelHistBuff (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Zürich Bible

message: I've read the article, but was left wanting to know more about the Confessions that he was involved in drafting. There's a note near the end that suggests he's responsible for the first Reformed Confession, but doesn't say what that was, and his list of works doesn't offer any clues to me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.236.140 (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Confessions

message: I have added a couple of small edits including clarifying a couple of more negative issues for balance that seem to have been missed so far eg Zwinglis abolition of Church music, and his confession of personal immorality. Xandar (talk) 12:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Balance

message: I've read through parts of this article and found a couple things that struck me as being maybe not entirely geared towards a lay audience. Hope these comments help improve the readability and accessibility of this article.
In the second paragraph of the lead, "the Church" is introduced without any proper antecedent, nor wikilink. To those not familiar with European history or the Reformation, it may be confusing to what religious body "the Church" is referencing, because there are clearly disambiguation issues. I was wondering if the article could be changed to insert a wikilink full title to the religious body in question. Again, in the 2nd paragraph of "Early years", it could be helpful to state what Church Zwingli went to work for.
Under "First rifts", the idea of fasting is introduced, but not explained (or even linked to). Imagine a Protestant reader who was raised outside of the Church, or even a non-Christian reader. Do you think this section would be above their head? I think linking to, and perhaps having a short clause explaining what fasting meant back then would be a good idea. The phrase "thus not punishable by the Church" is confusing because it implies the Church punished people for fasting (or even punished people for sinning). Is that the case?
I read this article a bit out of order, so I'm not sure if this is that big of an issue, but in the 2nd paragraph of "Legacy", the sentence "Under Bullinger, the confessional divisions of the Confederation were stabilised." made absolutely no sense (without having read the "Reformation in the Confederation" section). I'm not sure if there is a creative way to expand that sentence slightly so it doesn't rely so heavily on previous text (and explain what a "confessional division" is, which is the only place that phrase is used in the entire article)? 
Anyway, hope this helps.-Andrew c [talk] 19:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather late in response. Thanks for your suggestions; I implemented some of them. I think the link to Lent should be enough to obtain more info about fasting (although that article itself does not link to fasting probably because the word and article is too general). The Legacy section does assume that the article is read in order, so the confessional division (i.e., the existence of Protestant and Catholic cantons in the Confederation) should be clear. --RelHistBuff (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Church, fasting, and the Confederation 

message: The original source, Gäbler, says the following:
As other critics had also done, Zwingli attacked the claim that the tithe was a divine institution. He asserted that its earlier meaning of "contribution to the church" must be regained.
Zwingli did not attack the tithe, nor even the institution of tithing, but the claim and this is understood in the context of the source. So the original sentence in the article is supported by the source. --RelHistBuff (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tithing 

message: The article does not clearly state that he was a priest. Why not? Example: "Like many of his contemporaries, Zwingli went to work for the Catholic Church having studied little theology." Went to work for the Catholic Church I assume means became a priest.Nitpyck (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Will add text from the source. --RelHistBuff (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  So was he a Catholic Priest.  

message: Apparently legends developed almost immediately after his death, on both sides of the confessional divide. 
This would bear some elaboration. 
I found Bullinger's account, which seems to be the origin of the pear-tree story (and which sounds credible enough, given Bullinger's no-nonsense character and his immediate proximity to events). Later there seem to have been accounts of treason on the Zurich side, and conflicting accounts on who actually killed Zwingli on the Catholic side. 
Even later, there seem to have been other points, in Protestant hagiography stuff like this,
:The Zurichers marched to meet the Waldstatter, but were defeated at Cappel with great slaughter Oct. 11, 1531. Zwingli was found, after the battle lying on his back and his eyes upturned to heaven, with his helmet on his head, and his battle-axe in his hand.  He had been wounded at the beginning of the engagement. As he staggered and fell he was pierced several times with a lance. According to some accounts he was wounded while stooping to comfort a dying soldier. His last audible words were, “What of that? They can indeed kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul.” He was living when he was discovered but the infuriated fanatics soon finished him off.
but on the Lutheran side apparently also the "vile suggestion" that Zwingli was a combatant (while his own side reports that he merely accompanied his army but did not draw sword).
Then there is the issue of his "relics", especially his helmet (which seems to be genuine, as it was kept as a trophy in Lucerne) his sword (where does this enter the record?) and finally his so-called "battle-axe", an interesting combination of handgun and axe also displayed in the Landesmuseum, but presumably its association with Zwingli is spurious(?)
I did what I could do in fifteen minutes, more research could go into these points. --dab (𒁳) 12:31, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Death and legends

message: Just for the sake of us ignorant Americans, could somebody throw in the correct pronunciation of his name?  Both his first and last names, I mean, but especially "Zwingli."  (I remember when I was a kid and I read this name for the first time, my initial thought was that whichever of his ancestors coined that surname must have worked for a pharmaceutical company.  You know..."Ask your doctor about Zwingli®!"  Admittedly, I didn't realise there weren't any pharmaceutical companies back in the 16th century (or whenever the Zwinglis first started using that name) — in my defence, I was only like six or seven.) Mia229 (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This might seem trivial, but.... 

message: I was born and raised in the community (Gemeinde) of Kappel am Albis in Switzerland.
We where always told, that Zwingli died during the second war of Kappel.
Legend has it that he sacrificed himself at the front line to be stabbed by multiple warriors of the opposing (catholic) army.
This act stunned everybody and caused a peace treaty and the subsequent eating of the Kappel milk soup.
As a symbol of peace both armies eat from the same soup out of the same pot.
There is a monument attributing Zwinglie's heroism on a hill overlooking the town of Kappel am Albis.
This detail is missing in your post  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.43.214 (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zwingli's death 

message: The facts prove that zwingly was ugly. I mean look at his knose. Good god yall that should be illigal to be that ugly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.91.136.174 (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol! I wasn't going to say nothing, but you are right. 134.228.33.96 (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zwingly was ulgy 

message: Sources from the 19th century are considered unreliable. These are anecdotes. Also self-published sources (the Baseley quote) are also unreliable. And it is only in the lead, not in the article itself. 193.109.199.11 (talk) 16:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The text that rely on these unreliable sources were put in without any discussion. The edits are to bring the article back to relying only on high quality sources. 193.109.199.128 (talk) 19:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

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message: Was he really a “Pastor” in 1519 or rather a priest? I recommend to check this since I am not sure, however I believe to have learned it differently. I rather think he was a priest becoming a pastor through his activities. I may be completely wrong but would like to leave this task for someone who is specialized in Zwingli’s work. OnSpeech (talk) 10:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are positing a clear distinction between the two terms that doesn't exist. "Pastor" was already a mostly informal Catholic term for priests with parochial etc responsibilities, and could be used pretty loosely. Johnbod (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pastor? 

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message: Is the statement about the 7908 Zwingli main-belt asteroid necessary? I don't think any people are looking for that when they type Zwingli. Awsomaw (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  main-belt asteroid?