Talk:Buffalo, New York/Archive 1

message: Removed comment about no buffalo in the area, though the explanation of the name is correct. The area along the south shore of Lake Erie was maintained by the Iroquios as prairie by annual burning, and it did have American bison. There were another similar area between Seneca Lake and Cayuga Lake, which also had bison. Pollinator 01:39, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buffalo in Area? 

message: ..of giving every little dinky upstate new york town it's own article, can't you just merge them all into one article on upstate --172.152.1.161 13:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but ... every census-defined place on Wikipedia has its own article. "Upstate" has a number of radically different metro areas (Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Ithaca, Buffalo). Buffalo is the second-largest city in the state, and has several major league sports teams, and a place in pop culture (Buffalo 66, buffalo wings) ... ugh, ok, I'll stop. --Jfruh 15:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the Point 

message: I am pretty sure the information currently regarding how Buffalo got this nickname is incorrect. Buffalo was one of the first cities (if not the first) to have electricity. When lit up at night, some people on the Fort Erie side of the river said the reflection of the lit-up buildings on the lake supposedly looked like a Queen's crown. Don't take my word for it though, there are probably many different stories on how it got the name "queen city." --Buffalonian1 04:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen City 

message: To anyboby that's knowledgable, I'd really be really interested in a section about the immigrant groups of Buffalo. I know that there is a strong German contingent - there was even an early basketball team name the Buffalo Germans, and it was a very interesting place pre-WWII - and a Polish population and an Italian/Sicilian population. --Elliskev 01:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural/Immigrant History 

message: I'd love to know where "Tuffalo" came from. I lived in Buffalo for 25 years and never once heard anyone say this. Is this recent? It sounds a little lame and/or made up to me. Aeonite 04:16, 24 October 2005 (PT)
:Agree I've never heard the term 'Tuffalo' --T-rex 18:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 419 hits is hardly convincing. ~MDD4696 21:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuffalo 

message: I uploaded an official Buffalo city map with the various neighborhoods blocked out, but I cannot identify all the neighborhoods. They are labelled with letters, and some are obvious, others not. Can anyone help identify these neighborhhoods? The neighborhoods in the list below are taken reading roughly left to right from the top down. The uploaded version is really large, so if you need to, you can look at it in some more detail by clicking on the map, then clicking on "download high resolution version".
I'd like to eventually come up with a neighborhood map from this info that could be put into the Buffalo page. Thanks. PAR 16:15, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buffalo Neighborhood Map 

message: Anyone up to taking a whack at the list, which is bursting with questionable additions. I don[t know music or the city too well, but some of these gotta be decidedly unencyclopediaworthy. Sfahey 22:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote yes. If the votes become 3-0, I'll gladly whittle it down. Sfahey 23:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote yes as well. Maybe instead of just losing the data, we should create a seperate page that can be linked to from the main artical. That way we can have the real important people on the main page and still have the huge list of others too.--T.C. 11:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  I vote yes. 10 people tops. PAR 17:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Aeonite's correct in that including names which might "glorify" a small town only trivialize a major city, and in his honor I left the "Goos", while removing about half the others. It now reads "famous" Buffalonians. I have no objections if someone wants to remove some of the remaining musical famosities.Sfahey 22:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Good idea. PAR 15:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This idea backfired, as the section is already sloppy and rambling, has an inappropriate heading, and was better as a (frequently edited) list.Sfahey 21:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Hmmm. I would think if they were important to Buffalo they would be in the text already. Hence the list. Sfahey 03:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re Notable people from Buffalo 

message: So I've removed the following as the reasoning seems specious and racist:
:A second reason for decline came in 1976 as the U.S. government declared that the public school system had to be desegregated. This meant that the thriving neighborhood schools had to be dismantled and children from far and wide around the city had to be bused to different schools around Buffalo so racial demographics could be equalized. Many of Buffalo's families then moved out into the suburbs seeking public education in districts with less diversity.
— Xoder|✆ 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  20th century race stuff 

message: I've removed the section currently called "Buffalo's Military Veterans," as well as a couple of links to Confederate organizations and message boards. This material keeps getting inserted, at various random places in the article, by anon user 129.54.8.46, who is likely Steve Teeft who runs those linked websites. Besides being misplaced, unwikified, and poorly written (all of which could be fixed) the material is irrelevant to the article. The two factual points it makes (Buffalo was a terminus of the Underground Railroad, and was the situs of some battle activity in the War of 1812) already appear earlier in the article; and the remainder of the section is mini-biographies of several completely non-notable Civil War veterans who had some ties to the Buffalo area. Maybe this material could be put in a separate article but it doesn't belong in this one. -EDM 19:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone keeps trying to add back in links regarding this topic, make sure that they are deleted --T-rex 19:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buffalo and the Civil War 

message: I added a new heading called "decline", since the majority of that section was seperate and really had no relationship to being under "20th century". I also moved the info about the mayor from this section and put it at the top of the page. I really don't think that we need the list of the mayors of buffalo but I kept it there anyway, maybe someone can make it into a category or can find a way to make it look better or even find a better place in the article for it. Let me know what you think. By the way, I also agree with User:Aeonite about tris article almost being like an advertisement for Buffalo. The Goos can be mentioned but I really think that more information should be focused on the city itself. Flyerhell 10:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Brown actually the mayor yet? Most US cities, the person elected doesn't come into office until several weeks after election, usually on the 1st of the year. I'm not going to change it because I'm not sure, but on Wikipedia we don't change the name of the office holder until s/he actually is inaugurated. --Jfruh 15:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My changes 

message: I removed the section on the invention of air conditioning from the climate section because it disagreed with what was written in both Air conditioning and Willis Haviland Carrier (the inventor). Varco 19:13, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the Willis Haviland Carrier artical supports the fact that Air Conditining was invented in Buffalo. I think that this should be changed back. --T-rex 17:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon rereading it, I realize that I did indeed make a mistake. I'd revert it, but in my opinion that part should be moved somewhere else. The previous revision had all of this air conditioner information in the "climate" section. But the section is mainly about air conditioners, more than it is about the climate. --Varco 05:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate and air conditioning 

message: Something should be mentioned about Buffalo being one of the first cities to fully utilize electricity because of the close proximity of Niagara Falls. Flyerhell 22:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Good idea. This story is nicely told in "City of Light," an historical novel from a while back. Let's see how long this article maintains its current pretty good status. Sfahey 18:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Lights? 

message: I went ahead and turned most of the red links into simple external links to appropriate web sites, since case it takes a while to get the pages made. I also unlinkified Rich Sr.'s name and put an appropriate link on the corporate page. I linked to the WGRZ's architectural tour, which covers the rest of the holes. -- Pinktulip 12:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  War on red links 

message: I've removed the following unsourced section from the article. It does not seem very NPOV to me, and I would dispute some of the claims made in it. If people can provide references, feel free to re-add it. ~MDD4696 16:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Problems 

message: I've been studying the origin of the name of Buffalo for some time and have read most of the existing references. I'm restoring my text which is quite a bit more accurate than what it was replaced with. Since when is the Buffalo River a tributary of the Niagara River?
:Always --T-rex 16:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Name 

message: I have added a POV-section note to this section, because it reads like a Republican Party analysis of the city's affairs.  It is clear from the text of the section that a significant number of Buffalo's voters disagree.
The section should be written to fairly report the range of views.   --BrownHairedGirl 18:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government and Politics 

message: Perhaps it might be time to split some parts of this article into others, such as "History of Buffalo, New York", other examples being culture, perhaps sport, as are done with other city articles. Thoughts? --User:Tomplant 23:23, 08 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division of topics? 

message: The comments in the weather section are an attempt at gilding at best, and blatant revisionism at worst. Buffalo's summers are hardly pleasant and temperate and breezy. Anyone who's lived there knows that July and August are dreadfully muggy unless you're right on the lake, which is why the area has so many air conditioners and backyard pools despite it having a rep as a snowy city. So the weather area could use some tweaks.
I don't know about that.  I lived there for 24 years, and I'd never use 'dreadfully muggy' to describe the summers.  Especially not after living in Northern Virginia.--User:Baka42 18:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather 

message: this article needs the following revisions:
- information on the historic buffalo-olmstead parks system, which is probably the most encyclopedically relevant historical information besides the importance of buffalo to the war of 1812 and its position at the end of the erie canal
- a more detailed record of immigrant settlement in the area
- descriptions of the most famous architecture (including the psychiatric hospial on forest ave.)
- a more neutral perspective of the city's nightlife
- edits to the "famous residents" section to include only the most noteworthy few
- some sort of connection to other rust-belt cities
The main article is clearly false in its presentation of Buffalo as place of great "diversity" which is way over-emphasized.Anybody who lives here knows differently-look at the demographs of the city and suburbs like East Aurora.Buffalo is split between Caucasian and African-American.
There is no Latino community or Asian community from what I have seen-no restaurants of the said cuisine or food stores.
--
No offense intended, but do you actually live in the city or do you live in the suburbs?  The suburbanites of the area tend to think that there are no Latinos.  Have you ever been to the lower-west side?  Niagara Street and the surrounding are is seemingly all Latino.  Also, while I agree that there is no 'China-Town' area there is a significant Asian population at UB.
As for the restaurants that you have never heard of:
'Locally-owned restaurants offer Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Mexican, Italian, Greek, Arab, Indian, Caribbean, French, and "soul" food.'
Off the top of my head:
Chinese : Too many to mention
Japanesse : Kuni's (closed recently) Elmwood  Ave. Tsunami - Kennmore Ave.
Vietnamese: Saigon Cafe - Elmwood Ave.
Thai:  Taste of Thai - Hertel Ave.
Mexican: Grandma Mora's - Hertel Ave.
Italian: Too many to mention
Greek:  Towne - Elmwood Ave.,  Mythos - Elmwood Ave., Panos - Elmwood Ave.
Arab:  Sahara Grill - Elmwood Ave.
Indian: India Gate - Elmwood Ave.
Caribbean: Palm tree - Allen, Rendezvous - Niagara St.
French: Rue Franklin - Franklin St.
Soul Food: (Don't know any off the op of my head, but have had some from somewhere local at Taste of Buffalo)
I agree that this area is not super diverse like a Toronto, but we are not hat bad either.
T.C. 15:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  potential revisions 

message: I agree, I moved the list of famous people into a separate article a few weeks ago because I thought that it was not really worth the space in the main article. I have been trying to do this slowly as not to make too many people mad at once. 
One other thing that this article desperately needs is an expanded section on the economy of Buffalo. Really I know that our economy is not the best, but it is currently a VERY short section and I think that we can do better...
T.C. 11:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy too 

message: I'm in the process to updating the education, demographics, and climate sections. I'm also adding a cityscape and a standard of living section.
User:Cityhall 2:23 5 July 2006
:Why'd you post all of that here? If you'd like to make a temporary version of the page while you work on it, consider creating a user subpage. ~MDD4696 21:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass Additions and Upgrades 

message: The article seems to imply that the area surrounding the broadway market is a Polish neigborhood.  While the neighborhood has strong Polish roots as evidenced by the street names, it is now a predominateley African-American community, and we should not be ashamed to say it.  The "North Side" is not a neigborhood ever heard of by Buffalonians.  Buffalonians say "North Buffalo".  North Buffalo is heavily Italian-American, not African-American as the article seems to state. I will try to make some small changes. Trust me on this I come from Buffalo.  Roc 03:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um actualy the North-Side is not that hevily Italian-Amarican when compared with the West side. It is true that that there are not as meany Afraican-Amaricans. The reason why you might think that it is so packed with Italian-Amaricans is because it hosts the Italian festivil.--Bonojohn 19:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: North Buffalo was still pretty heavily Italian when I lived there in the 1990s (Sterling Ave, off Hertel).  It used to be a Jewish area, but that's far in the past; most of the old synagogues have been bought by churches (black churches, and that demographic was growing, but I don't think that the Italian population was shrinking).  To the best of my knowledge, that's why they have the Italian festival there.  I didn't spend long in the neighborhood on my most recent visit, so maybe the demographics have changed radically since '96.  Looked like all the good little sub shops and pizzerias were all still there, though. Miss w 08:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  Vandalizm? riiight, its not vandalism. I think you should stop thinking of lame excuses to make me SOUND like im not from buffalo. There is no need to prove to you that I am from buffalo. I know I am and thats all that matters. So leave it alone. North Side, West Side, East Side, South Side... I said it muuha ah ha ha ha!! If no one else said it from buffalo then ohh well I said it...! leave it alone. -Johnny-Who? 00:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That was certainly my memory.  I've asked in a Buffalo comm and asked some other people--hey, benefit of the doubt and all that; I've been away and maybe the fashion has changed--but so far, no one has ever heard of "north side" as a term for that neighborhood (and most seem to think of it as a "give" that you're not local). I think we can reasonably say that the neighborhood is called "North Buffalo."  If we want a cite, a map on city's website (http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/files/1_2_1/GoodNeighbors/NorthBuffaloPlan.pdf, page 4) that clearly identifies it by that name.  I'm not sure why I bothered to check something that obvious.  But that's the answer. Miss w 11:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ethnicity of neighborhoods incorrect 

message: A few soul food places off the top of the head:
*Everything's Special - S. Elmwood Avenue
*Ashanti's - Fillmore Avenue
*Soul Food Cafe(closed)- Fillmore Avenue
There are too many hole-in-the-wall soul food places in Buffalo to count.
By the way that guy who said there's no Latino community in Buffalo must not have ever stepped into the city limits.  There is a very strong and vibrant Latino community on the West Side as T.C. pointed out.  It's not limited to the Lower West Side either.  Hispanic influence is strong all up Grant street and even Black rock is becoming more and more Latino by the day. I live in the west side trust me on this
Roc 04:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Restaurants