Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport/Archive 1

message: I have created a project template that may be suitable for highlighting relevant articles and/or projects. If you think this is a useful addition, or otherwise, please comment here. Thanks. Adrian M. H. 17:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this template for marking motorized racing articles that fall outside the other WikiProjects, such as Baja 1000, CORR, American Speed Association, Mike Eddy, etc.? Royalbroil T : C 18:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This project was created to bring together the existing projects - British Motorsport, F1, WRC, and so on - that are listed on this project's main page. As such, this template is primarily about identifying the new status of those projects as siblings of this new project and perhaps also to mark articles that warrant special attention for reasons of consistency or cross-topic relevance, such as drivers or teams that have had significant involvement in more than one of those projects' areas. You may like to consider suggesting or initiating a new project that encompasses those niche disciplines that are not included in existing projects and/or are not big enough to support a dedicated project of their own. Adrian M. H. 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok. Did I go too far by creating a userbox and a member enrollment subpage? Royalbroil T : C 21:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, quite the opposite in my opinion. I expect we'll form a member list that shows the members for each sub-project in due course, and the userbox is a logical addition. Adrian M. H. 22:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: We could create links to the member's subpage or section in the child WikiProjects, and let people who are not members of child WikiProjects sign up here. Royalbroil T : C 00:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Template peer review 

message: Should we include motorcycle racing? The definition of motorsports seems to include motorcycle racing, and also there is a vast number of ex-motorcycle racers who raced in F1. Some have two infoboxes - one for bikes and for F1 - and it looks cluttered. Readro 12:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WikiProject Grand Prix motorcycle racing --Skully Collins Edits 14:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorbikes 

message: Is there scope within this umbrella project for linking in series of articles not otherwise linked to a project of their own.  I'm thinking particularly of the Speedway Grand Prix articles I have worked on. I don't believe they justify a project of their own (although they are perhaps on a similar scale to A1 Grand Prix) but feel they could be relevant to this WP. Jsydave 23:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedway 

message: Willard Prentiss, who came 13th in the 1933 Indy 500, is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Willard Prentiss. If his article gets deleted then it could have huge implications on the project. There seem to be several people who consider that he is not notable enough, so it would be nice if more people could get involved with the discussion so that we can formulate a consensus for notability in motorsport. Readro 20:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree that this article must be kept. I have added my support. Adrian M. H. 21:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The result of the debate was keep. Alexj2002 15:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indy 500 driver up for deletion 

message: Anyone else interested in a Drag Racing project? I have seen interest from user:Ren0 and obviously myself. I participate mostly in street legal classes at local dragstrips in California and Texas, and I know very little about big NHRA classes/events (nitro funny cars and stuff you see on TV), so I will need help there. As for what I already have done: I have an extensive "to do" list that I am already working on, I have created a Dragstrip infobox template (purposed) while working on Los Angeles County Raceway.  The scope of this project would be to create/expand information pertaining to drag racing, specifically: Drag strips, drag racing terminology, drag racing technology, drag racing events/sanctioning bodies, drag racing technique/common practices, professional drag racing teams, professional drag racing drivers. BMan1113VR 03:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly a worthwhile project for those who have specialist knowledge in the field (or strip?!) I can't include myself in that category, though. I would recommend posting the same question on the talk pages of some of the more notable drag racing articles (John Force, say) to catch the eye of people who don't know about this parent project yet. Adrian M. H. 15:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought of that, but have been a little pressed for time this week. I can add info and pictures of tracks and street car info, but I am clueless when it comes to the drag racing you see on ESPN.BMan1113VR 06:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: propose new "child project"

message: *The bio article on northeastern USA supermodified and modified driver Ollie Silva has been proposed for deletion.  Silva had a feature article in Stock Car Racing magazine in the '70s but that's not online.  I'm sure he was also featured in newspapers and trade papers for winning various races such as several Star Classics.  Can someone find sources and add citations to the article, so that it will meet WP standards and be worth keeping?  Barno 18:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly needs a re-write if it is to stay. Apart from the lack of citations, there are weasel words and POV statements. Due to the time that has passed since Silva was active, it may be nearly impossible to find usable sources. Adrian M. H. 18:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *"Nearly impossible"?  I disagree.  If the major New England newspapers don't have their pre-Internet content indexed online, all we need is someone to go to the newspaper office, check "Dynamite Ollie"'s name in their card index, and take notes on a few of the most notable ones.  The NEAR Hall of Fame has a webpage on him, and there are hundreds of hits on a Google search, including an important touring-series race named in his memory.  Many of the tributes featuring him are fan sites that are less WP:RS, useful only as sources of supporting material, but there are multiple non-trivial independent sources that can be found and used.  Barno 23:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it sounds as if you would be more than up to the task of doing the re-write yourself. Adrian M. H. 14:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the article (more or less from scratch), and it appears that the nominator has withdrawn the nomination. Royalbroil T : C 15:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD on Ollie Silva 

message: I'd like to get a consensus about when it is, or is not, appropriate or necessary to apply our project banner to a particular article. For example, Ayrton Senna has been tagged with this project's banner, which seems to be unnecessary duplication as it falls directly under WP:F1. I would say that we only need to tag articles that do not currently have a more specific motorsport-related project banner, which was my reasoning for creating this banner in the first instance. That would also mean that Category:Unassessed motorsport articles will only include articles that need our attention. What are your thoughts? Adrian M. H. 19:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to start a discussion to comment on that, and I'm happy to see you had started a discussion. Definitely do not apply banner for Senna, Formula 3000 or GP2 IMO. The only possible exception if they raced in multiple forms/series like Michael Andretti, Mario Andretti, Juan Pablo Montoya, A. J. Foyt, Steve Millen, Walker Evans (racer), Parnelli Jones to name a few. Then I think we should, but it's not a strong opinion. Cheers! Royalbroil T : C 06:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply - I'm glad you agree. I'll remove the banner from the affected pages - only a few at the moment. I'll start adding it to more applicable articles as I find them. Adrian M. H. 15:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of project banner 

message: I could use some input in the design of Template:Racing driver, or whatever we choose to call it. Points that need sorting are as follows:
* I ideally want to have only one driver infobox for most formulae, except where unusual requirements make a dedicated design essential. The question is; how should we display their current series? Do I put it in the sub-heading, like Template:DTM driver, which will require that people fill in the entire wikilink, or is better to have a Category field instead?
* Is it best to list all teams or just the current team?
* Or would you prefer to see a driver infobox for every series (GP2, F3, WTCC, etc. etc.)?
More questions as they occur to me. I will include optional fields for car and engine, to cater for all possibilities. Adrian M. H. 17:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I have been thinking about it since I last proposed creating a driver's infobox. I have changed my mind. I don't think that we should have a single standardized driver's infobox. What works well for F1 and many other open wheel series doesn't work at all for NASCAR (for example). Podiums finishes work well for the open wheel cars, but they are roughly equivalent to Top 10 (or at least Top 5) finishes in NASCAR. I have NEVER heard a Top 3 finish discussed in NASCAR and it is meaningless (I do understand how it is important from IndyCar racing). A sample article where you can see the large difference at the article Mark Martin (NASCAR). I do think a generic template would be cool to use for drivers that fall outside of the children WikiProjects. A common template could be used for most but not all of the articles if there are not too many exceptions. Another question:
**What about retired drivers? Royalbroil T : C 05:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That all sounds reasonable to me. You should bring up any discussion on the NASCAR template in the WikiProject, so everyone can discuss. Royalbroil T : C 18:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Infobox racing driver has now been created, although it needs a bit of tweaking. I'll put it on the project page when it's ready. Adrian M. H. 13:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Drivers

message: I'm working on Template:Motorsport formula, specifically for use on the generic articles about F3, FRenault, etc. where the formula has more than one championship, each of which have dedicated articles. The championship articles can use Template:Infobox motorsport championship instead. Applicable articles include:
*Formula Three
*Formula Ford
*Formula Renault
*Super 2000 (Surprising that it doesn't have an article, given that most of Europe's touring car championships use it!)
*Super 1600
*Group N
And so on... Things like GP2 and the DTM can stay with what they have, as the formula and the championship are one and the same.
However, I'm not sure what other fields the infobox needs, so I'd appreciate some suggestions of what you'd like to see. Adrian M. H. 14:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the number of championships that the formula is used in seems like a good start.  The problem is that applying an infobox/template to a formula that encompasses many championships rules out fields such as last champion, number of teams etc.  Perhaps a general "Type of car" or "Type of racing" field can be included.  For example: Open wheel car, Touring car racing, Sports car racing etc.--Diniz 18:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's in there already. It so far has the type of racing, the first and last years, and a countries/region field for UK/Europe/International or whatever. I wondered about engine type/size and things like that, without going too technical. I'll add a field for the number of series - that is a good idea. Adrian M. H. 18:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Formulae

message: template:Racing car may be of of interest to some Motorsport projects. It originated in WP:F1, but is intended to be of use for any article on a racing car. Given its origins it may not yet be fully mature for this purpose, it's mostly been used on F1 cars to date. Comments and improvements welcome. 4u1e 13:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting the change in Sauber C20, 4u1e. It was modified by another user ages ago, but I never got around to reverting it. Adrian M. H. 16:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I left a comment on the talk page for the template. Royalbroil T : C 15:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  template:Racing car 

message: I've (perhaps unwisely) embarked on an article rating scheme for the F1 articles (In other words I've copied the WP:MOTOR infobox and rated a few articles).
I see from WP:NASCAR that it is possible to produce a table that automatically adds up the number of articles in each category. I also see that the code I have copied from the WP:MOTOR box will currently add rated F1 articles to the WP:MOTOR totals for each category.
I can fix that so they go in a separate F1 category, which seems to be in line with what we agreed above about normally only tagging articles as belonging to one project. Is that the approach the WP:MOTOR would prefer to take? (I don't know if it is then possible to automatically add up the totals of all child projects to give a grand total, or if this is relevant). Cheers. 4u1e 14:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Making work for yourself! If you can figure it a way of keeping them separate, that would be preferable, yes. Don't worry too much about a grand total: it would probably be better to provide a link to each total somewhere. Adrian M. H. 16:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it would be preferable to keep the article separate by WikiProject. I wouldn't worry about the child project's totals. I don't understand how the WP:NASCAR table works, as I haven't been very active in the WikiProject since summer. I've been concentrating my efforts more on some of the lesser know but important historic and current motor racing articles the United States, especially asserting drivers' notability from racing Halls of Fame. I was amazed when I kept finding stuff on Board track racing, a huge yet unheard of racing genre from about 100 years ago. Is there anything that could be added to the article to expand its world view? Royalbroil T : C 15:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: What we should do is have categories for F1 articles, NASCAR articles etc, but change all the projects' infoboxes to additionally put them in the motorsport articles category. That way we can have separate totals and a grand total. Readro 21:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a problem with that, at least at this moment in time. I'm relying on w:Category:Unassessed motorsport articles to give me a list of articles that are likely to need improvement. If we can get to the point at which we have a more organised - and properly managed - task list, then your suggestion would be more workable. But it would be a good idea to hold off on that for now. Adrian M. H. 21:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just twigged that if I add the summary page of, say, GA-class F1 articles, to category:GA-class motorsport articles, it puts a link to the F1 GA page on the Motorsport GA page. Is my doing that going to cause any problems? That would give us a hierarchical listing of articles in each category. Cheers. 4u1e 23:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatically adding up article ratings 

message: Just rating Mario's article from an F1 perspective. He's one of the few who probably should be tagged as 'belonging' to more than one motorsport Wikiproject. I see the article has been classed as 'B-class', but I'm not sure I agree. The coverage of his Indycar career is very sketchy indeed, for example. I would have had it as start. Anyone want to offer a second opinion? (I would normally just change it, but he's a significant figure in at least two Wikiprojects, so I thought I'd raise it here. Cheers. 4u1e 15:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assess his article at start class, and the Indycar section as stub. A complete Indycar section would probably bring it up to B-class. I'll put it on my To-Do list for next week! Thanks for the heads up! Royalbroil T : C 15:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a tricky one. It is written from a largely F1 perspective - understandable, as it probably reflects the strongest area of knowledge for the primary contributor/s - but in fact warrants a collaboration between specialists in each field. The article's structure is reflective of B-class; yet the content holds it back, as you have pointed out. Start-class would be too harsh, given what it has versus what it lacks. I would suggest bringing it to the attention of WP:AOWR to seek the help of a specialist. I've got too much backlog to take on another improvement effort right now, otherwise I would work on it. Anyone with access to some of the many good books about Mario would find it easy to get it up to GA standard. Adrian M. H. 17:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: He was always one of my racing idols, so I'd like to be the WP:AOWR specialist to improve that part of it! I haven't worked with many contributors with your levels of experience, and I welcome the chance to be mentored to greatly improve an article this important to me. I've been looking a long time for an opportunity to improve my skills and grow as a contributor. I haven't even worked to make an article GA. I have done 15 DYK articles though, and I wrote about 13 of them all by myself. Let me be the one to propose: I want this to be a featured article when we are done with it! It would be an excellent use and justification of this WikiProject! Royalbroil T : C 05:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need at least one featured article, and this is a good candidate with lots of potential. I would also like to identify one other FA-suitable article that is not currently covered by the other projects, because such an article would likely get neglected otherwise. As for Mario, I might be able to chip in with some small contributions in due course; I'll have a proper close look at it in a few days and see where it's at. Adrian M. H. 13:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: With no really notable GP results, I'm sure he would rather be known for his Indy win. Adrian M. H. 16:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Andretti 

message: To make it easier to manage our project, I have moved the task list from the main page to its own dedicated sub-page atWikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport/Tasks. I have kept just two categories for now, to keep it simple, but as it grows, we can sub-divide them a bit more. Either by the nature of the work that's required, or by racing category, for example. Adrian M. H. 14:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New task page 

message: As you can see from the above link, the main article is just a list of the four series, while the three active pages do not - in my opinion, at least - warrant their own articles. I propose that we (or I!) merge the series articles into the parent article and re-write it, which will allow the creation of a proper encyclopædic article that meets all the usual guidelines and policies. Please comment here, and if the response is positive, I'll set up a merge proposal on the affected pages. Adrian M. H. 16:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge 'em. Even then, there's probably only a stub's worth of content, unfortunately. 4u1e 23:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get that underway soon. I think it can probably be stretched out into a B-class, as there's more that can be added. Adrian M. H. 23:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely - more can be added, I meant it's not there at present. Cheers. 4u1e 23:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't comment before this because I was unfamiliar with the series. I did a fair bit of rewording in the U.S. section. Please review my edits to make sure that they make sense. There should be a list of champions as a minimum, and a list of Rookies of the Year might make sense too. I think that I have included a list of champions in every series' article that I started. The rest of the article looks great from my perspective. Royalbroil T : C 22:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. That has improved it, though I will make a couple of small tweaks. It's not finished yet, of course, as there is still the UK section, event schedules, and sporting regulations to do. The results are at least a day away, since the original separate articles had nothing but a brief list of former champions, so I have been working from scratch. You can see the work in progress here. Only the UK and US championships have recognised Rookie titles, so I may not include those. I'll see how it pans out. Adrian M. H. 22:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much sorted now. Adrian M. H. 19:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I have since made further changes and it has now passed the GA review process. Adrian M. H. 23:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Formula BMW]] 

message: I have added a more informative results table to Lucas di Grassi. If the consensus is positive, I suggest using this kind of layout for the other GP2 drivers, which would bring them into line with F1 drivers.
Also, I'm working on a teams results table in my sandbox, for which some feedback would be useful. I'm not totally sure about that layout, so I'll throw it open to you guys for suggestions. I don't think it needs individual race results, or anything like that, but the appearance is not quite right. Regards, Adrian M. H. 18:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results tables for drivers and teams 

message: WP:Motorsport now has its first Good Article: Formula Three Euroseries. My thanks to RoyalBroil and 4u1e for their contributions. Next step: a Featured Article! Adrian M. H. 16:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First GA rating for WP:Motorsport 

message: Any objections to me listing WikiProject Australian motorsport as a child project? DH85868993 09:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! Royalbroil T : C 06:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. DH85868993 09:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Australian Motorsport 

message: I've made some pages on the WikiProject Motorsport Assessment page. I've done this so it goes in line with other projects, see this assessment page for example. Please don't delete it though - it's taken a long time for me to do. Davnel03 22:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment Page on WPMotorsport 

message: Should Jyrki Järvilehto be moved to JJ Lehto per WP:COMMONNAME? It's the only motorsport bio I could find that didn't conform. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 00:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. You will have to make it J. J. Lehto, though, because of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). All of us at WikiProject NASCAR tried to argue for no space in the case of J.J. Yeley (as he has it on his official website). We were strongarmed by people with no sense of humor and required to use the space even though it is a guideline. Royalbroil T : C 03:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick google search, and almost everywhere referred to him even without the periods.  Surely that would make that spelling the most common name, and therefore the article title? I'll admit, it's not a huge deal, but it seems like "JJ" should be the article name. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 05:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: We also googled Yeley, and found JJ to be the common spelling.  It didn't matter. We also argued that JJ is his nickname (so it is not an abbreviation). We just decided to go along with it. There does have to be some standard in Wikipedia, even if it creates incorrect/awkward situations. I would have thought that a redirect from the Wikipedia standard scheme would be enough, but I've already made it a bigger deal than it should be. Royalbroil T : C 14:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I went ahead and moved it to JJ.  If they come along and move it somewhere else, I won't fight it.--Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 05:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I will! J.J. or J. J. are simply wrong, and no amount of convention guidelines can change that. Pyrope 17:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jyrki vs. JJ 

message: For drivers with multiple infoboxes (e.g. Emanuele Pirro, JJ Lehto, etc), do we want to suppress the display of the driver's name and/or nationality in the second (and subsequent) infoboxes? Or are we happy for the duplicate information to remain visible? I don't have strong feeling either way, but I thought it might be good to get agreement before we have too many drivers with multiple infoboxes. DH85868993 03:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still toying with the Le Mans template, if there's a way to make the name and nationality data optional I'll put it in.  The359 03:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't we have a template similar to that of Template:WikiProjectBanners which puts all the infoboxes into one collaspe-able box?--Skully Collins Edits 07:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone can do it, I'd say go for it. The359 08:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't you just make nationality be an optional field, and not use it on the second infobox? Royalbroil T : C 13:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's actually what I meant - sorry if that wasn't clear. The359, see "Base" in template:F1 constructor for an example of how to make an optional field. -- DH85868993 14:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I think I've gotten it fixed. The359 00:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You were clear, I simply missed it. Sorry. I had been thinking along the same lines obviously. Royalbroil T : C 17:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drivers with multiple infoboxes 

message: Currently, :Category:Auto racing is the main parent category with most of its subcategories called "Auto racing something." But there are a few exceptions. :Category:Motor racing by year and all of its subcategories start with "Motor racing" as does :Category:Motor racing venues (the reasoning behind the latter is that most of the venues can support both motorcycles and cars, so it is named that to avoid having seperate categories for motorcycle venues and car venues). There is also :Category:Motorsport by country. My question to you guys is whether you would like to see all of categories under a parent category called :Category:Motorsport (which would then include categories about motorcycles, and possibly other types of racing that involve motors like boats or airplanes) or would you rather leave it as is, and just change the subcategories above to reflect the current parent category. Getting these kind of naming changes made is always difficult because of the UK/US language barrier, but I think it would help if this project could come to some sort of rough consensus at least, before I take it to WP:CFD. Recury 15:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assumed it to be a cultural/semantic difference. Presumably, the creator of that category uses/used American English. With regard to your question; If I were asked to choose, I would generally prefer to maintain some separation between two- and four-wheeled motor racing, even without dealing with other forms of transport that can be raced. Adrian M. H. 18:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about making Motorsport be the parent category for all motor racing articles, and make auto racing, motorcycle racing be child categories. :Category:Motorcycle sport would need to be moved below :Category:Motorsport under my suggestion. Mixed categories like Motorsport by country would also be directly under Motorsport. Here's my proposed structure using bullet levels:
***Motorsport
****Auto Racing
*****Auto racing equipment
*****Auto racing organizations
*****Other Auto Racing child categories
****Motorcycle sport
*****Motorcycle racing films
****Motorsport by country   
****Motor racing by year
****Other mixed motorsport categories 
You would avoid needing to have a CFD if you used my proposed structure. I would prefer to have the blessing of WikiProject Grand Prix motorcycle racing before we make this switch, as they are affected the most. Royalbroil T : C 02:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yea, there would need to be someone looking through the articles in the category to see what makes sense. It sounds appropriate to rename Auto Racing terms to Motorsport terms. I'm bet there are other oddities. Would you please take a look at the current structure to see what you think should be changed/restructured? Royalbroil T : C 04:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category rename? 

message: I stumbled across this article today, which - while not motorsport-specific - would be of interest to this project. It is in need of a major overhaul, so I wondered if anyone would be able to contribute to it? Adrian M. H. 19:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sport governing body]] 

message: Hi,
I was just looking through a few of the Motorsport projects, and this project looks, well an absolute mess if I'm to put it at that! Many pages in the project need updating, including race results and other things, take this race page for example. Yes the race took place late February, but no one seems to of put any information in. The project looks severely inactive. I would do it my self, but I'm not use to race tables (plus I'm working on 1995 Formula One season), that kind of stuff. If you can help, that's great as the many pages look scruffy and very out of date. Davnel03 19:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a message should also be left on the A1GP WikiProject talk page, since the people who work on it are more likely to see it there?  As for the project itself, I don't know, I haven't looked into it too much.  The359 19:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It holds no interest for me, I must admit, and I think that a project about just one second-tier championship is too narrow in focus. It might be sensible to propose that it is merged with this, its parent project, and given some separate focus in the tasks area. Adrian M. H. 20:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone who has worked within the project I agree entirely and someone does need to "fill in the blanks". Unless someone else picks it up I will get on to it within the next week.  Regarding the project itself I agree with Adrian M.H. - I feel this is really too narrow for a project in its own right and has a lot of parralells to the Speedway Grand Prix series of articles.  They need organising and collecting but are not deserving of a whole project to themselves. Jsydave 12:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, I have started work on a subjects page for the DTM, GP2, F3 and so on. It is intended to give an overview of those subjects and what can be done to improve them. More work will follow soon when I have time, including more subjects. I have not yet approached the A1GP project about the possibility of closing their project and joining the other subjects. Adrian M. H. 18:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject A1 Grand Prix|A1 GP WikiProject]] 

message: If no-one has any objections, I will create a sub-page for significant subjects (WTCC, DTM and so on) that do not have or need their own projects. I'll think up some content that will be useful to anyone who wants to work on those topics. If you have any thoughts about what you'd like to see there, please chip in.
If the people who run the A1GP project are happy to merge it, then we can include that as well. Unless someone has done so already, I'll propose the idea on that project's talk page. Adrian M. H. 16:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have started work on a subjects page for the DTM, GP2, F3 and so on. It is intended to give an overview of those subjects and what can be done to improve them. More work will follow soon when I have time, including more subjects. I have not yet approached the A1GP project about the possibility of closing their project and joining the other subjects. Adrian M. H. 18:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-page for A1GP and other subjects

message: On the discussion page for the Porsche article, I have proposed that the (rather sizeable) "Auto racing" section be split out into a separate article. The idea has received some support, so now I'm trying to decide on the best name for the new article. If you have a view on this, please contribute on the Porsche discussion page. Thanks. DH85868993 17:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the emerging convention is to go with Porsche motorsport. A la Mercedes motorsport. Otherwise, I would have gone with (name of company) motorsport history, though. Adrian M. H. 17:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Following discussion on the Porsche talk page, Porsche in motorsport has been created. Please consider whether any links to Porsche need to be changed to Porsche in motorsport. -- DH85868993 14:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porsche motorsport article 

message: Someone added to the IndyCar disambiguous page that F1 "Indycar is often used synonymously with Formula-1 racing". Is that true? Royalbroil T : C 18:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[IndyCar]]

message: Just a few questions about this article I created today:
*Can anyone find out if there was a 2005 Red Bull Junior of the Year?
*Can anyone find if there was a 2005 Formula Renault North European champion?
*Oh, and is the reference section okay?
Thanks. --Phill talk Edits 21:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK; I have tweaked your ref, but could you check and add the issue number, and check the date (which I think was two weeks ago)? I have lent my recent copies, so I'm working from memory. Adrian M. H. 22:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was two weeks ago. Is the Issue number okay now, Adrian? --Phill talk Edits 21:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's fine. After I logged off last night, I worked out the issue number from the last issue that I still had, and I came to vol.187/11. I haven't found anything concrete about German and/or North European FRenault. I checked formula3.cc, motorsport.com and speedsportmag.de, plus a brief Google, but no joy. Renault's own sites were no help, but I didn't really expect that they would mention it, TBH. Adrian M. H. 21:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you still haven't found anything about the the F.Renault NEC, this is the official site. It's a merge of the German, Dutch and Swedish championships and is organized by Renault Sport Germany. --Pc13 17:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Filipe Albuquerque]] 

message: Trident Racing Page: Is this team reclusive or something? There is scant little information on them anywhere, just results. See what you think, but prob. needs deleting.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ALCUS36 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume it's part of a project to build pages for all the GP2 teams, which would mean they'd need expansion at the most.  I don't think they need deleting though, especially SuperNova who have been around for many years and in multiple formulas. The359 20:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Supernova is highly notable within its field; Trident less so, but may just about scrape through. It will take some time to improve the GP2-related articles anyway, because a lot of them were created as stubs and do not really do as much as they could to demonstrate notability. The subjects page gives an overview of what we need to tackle with this project in the coming months. Adrian M. H. 21:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given Trident a quick re-write to clean it up. The refs are still weak, but I'll look into them when I have the time. It should not be too difficult to prove notability; any team that can turn up and win GP2 races in its debut season within months of being formed should be quite notable. Adrian M. H. 15:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trident Racing 

message: I'm planning to create an article for racing car constructor Merlyn. Any advice on the preferred name for the article: e.g. "Merlyn Cars", "Merlyn (constructor)", "Merlyn (motorsport)", "Merlyn (auto racing)", or something else? Note that Merlyn already exists, as a redirect to Merlin. -- DH85868993 04:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go over the redirect and put  OR  at the top. James086Talk | Email 04:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And for the article name itself, I would suggest that you either use the full name of the company if applicable (eg, Merlin Motorsport) or, if it does not use a qualifier, go for Merlyn (constructor). Adrian M. H. 12:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's no reason to put "(constructor)" after it if there is no article at Merlyn. I couldn't find any "official name" like Merlyn Cars or Merlyn Motorsport on Google, so I would just go with James' method. Recury 13:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. But I have seen other articles named in that way when there is/was no ambiguity. This has some ambiguity that arises from the typographical difference (i/y), and that seems to be enough to create room for confusion when searching. I can well imagine someone searching for, say, Merlin aero engines and typing in "Merlyn". Actually, that should be listed on a disambiguation page if it is not already. Incidentally, there was a Merlin car company around some years ago 1. Adrian M. H. 14:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you mention it, at the bottom of Merlin (disambiguation) is a section for things spelled Merlyn that already has several entries. That's not really how you're supposed to do it (the right way would be to have a seperate dab page for Merlyn, either at Merlyn or Merlyn (disambiguation) with just a see also to Merlin (disambiguation)), but oh well. Confusing! Recury 14:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it would be a good idea to split them up in the way that you describe. What do you reckon? Adrian M. H. 14:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merlyn 

message: Is there any support for the idea of renaming Mercedes-Benz motorsport to Mercedes-Benz in motorsport, following the pattern of Alfa Romeo in motorsport, Porsche in motorsport and Porsche in Formula One? DH85868993 06:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I would support that. It makes sense. Would we change BMW Motorsport as well, or does that represent BMW's title, like "SEAT Sport" for example? I ask because I thought BMW liked to call its racing division BMW M-Sport (possibly with a lowercase s; not sure). If it is kept unchanged, a redirect might be wise if there isn't one already. Scratch that; I just remembered BMW-Motorsport.com (official site, so it must be right!) Adrian M. H. 20:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, BMW is a tricky one. These is (or was?) an entity called "BMW Motorsport", and as you have identified, the official website is "bmw-motorsport.com". But the BMW Motorsport article is (and I think should be) about BMW's involvement in motorsport. To me, the name "BMW Motorsport" (with a capital 'M') suggests that it would only describe factory-backed motor racing activities, whereas I think the intent of the article is (and should be) to describe the entirety of BMW's motorsport involvement. So I think there's a valid argument that the article should be called "BMW in motorsport" (similar to Alfa Romeo in motorsport and Porsche in motorsport and possibly/probably soon Mercedes-Benz in motorsport) rather than "BMW Motorsport". -- DH85868993 07:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you're of that opinion, because I'm inclined to agree with that. I was slightly concerned about accuracy, but changing the title probably wouldn't affect that, actually. The consistency is welcome. Adrian M. H. 15:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mercedes-Benz motorsport 

message: A question has been raised in GA review for Brabham BT19 on the use of units. I've used a mixed economy of litres for engine capacity and lbs and inches for everything else, basically because that reflects the (contemporary) sources.
The reviewer has asked whether a non-SI equivalent for engine capacity could be given, which made me stop and think, because I'm not sure I've ever seen engine capacity in the UK defined in anything other than litres or cc, even in older sources. I might go for cubic inches, to provide context for American readers, but can anyone advise what units would be used if I wanted an Imperial measure? 4u1e 14:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this means anything here, but at Wikiproject automobiles, the standards indicate SI units should be used for all measurements. James086Talk | Email 15:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They have used litres (or liters for non-British usage) for as long as I am aware of. The Bentley 4½ltr for example. Tell the GA reviewer that this is just the way it is! We often mix Imperial and metric when it suits us to do so; bicycle measurements, for example. Adrian M. H. 15:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my initial response, but I like to accomodate all views! :) I'm quite happy to put cubic inches in brackets if that means something to American readers. As a side note, does anyone know why engine capacity is the only unit that has always consistently been SI? 4u1e 20:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an old school American, I would prefer to see cubic inches. Both would be even better. Putting cubic inches in brackets is fine. Street cars have been using liters since around 1985. The conversion factor is 1 inch = 2.54 cm (and then you have to cube it). So 1 liter (1000 cubic cm) = 61.024 cubic inches . Royalbroil 20:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may have been influenced by the internal combustion engine's European origins. Adrian M. H. 21:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the rest of the car had European origins too! Oh well, there I go expecting things to be logical again. :D I think I'll put 183 cubic inches in as the bracketed figure. 4u1e 23:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah, but the chassis didn't, necessarily. Britain's strong coachbuilding industry began making chassis for steam cars and things like that, and you can bet that inches would always have been used when convenient. The early engine designs would have been imported from Europe or based on the designs of the pioneers, like Daimler, and the cc, as an accurate measurement, might have stuck. Anyway, this is beginning to read like WP:Horseless Carriage!  Adrian M. H. 23:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now there's an idea for a wikiproject.....OK, curiosity assuaged. Thanks! 4u1e 07:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vintage British cars tended to give their engine specification in terms of horsepower, not capacity (e.g. 12/50 etc.) Bentley were one of the first to use the European practice of capacity measurement, probably a reflection of their Le Mans aspirations although that is just speculation on my part. Power output was quoted up until WWII, after which the UK moved to the European practice of quoting cc. The USA, being resolutely Imperial, always quoted in cu/in so far as I can tell. Pyrope 17:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-SI units for engine capacity 

message: Someone has tagged Jesus Ricardo Iglesias and Jesús Iglesias for merger. It looks fairly obvious that the two articles are about the same person, in which case the articles should be merged. I guess the question is which name to go with. Thoughts? -- DH85868993 01:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd guess the second (especially since it has the correct emphasis in the spelling), although someone who knows the driver well might be more helpful. The359 02:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's listed as Jesús Iglesias on the entry list (official F1 site) so I'd say we go with that. AlexJ 09:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Every source I have lists him without his middle name Ricardo, so I would go with Jesús Iglesias. Bretonbanquet 21:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Content merged into Jesús Iglesias; Jesus Ricardo Iglesias changed to a redirect. Thanks for your input. DH85868993 03:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of Iglesias articles 

message: I'm probably going to get the biggest rant of my life for suggesting this but one needs to be bold (brave) in these situations. Anyway, as I've mentioned in the Talk:Ayrton Senna page, I think that he is autistic, well has Asperger Syndrome. But since that talk page is a little inactive in comparison I decided to bring it here. Now, as well as the arguments made on the talk page I've found something else, Senna had a Motor skills disorder () which, in a way, supports my claim that he was autistic. However, what I wish to know from you guys is:
*What other evidence would I need to gather, please consider that Asperger Syndrome wasn't fully understood or could be properley diagnosed until the late 1990s.
*How would you feel if, I happen to come accross a source (hypothetically), I were to include such a statement into the Senna article?
Anyway, I look forward to your feedback and remember that someone here does has Asperger's - and the creator of Pokémon (possibly) as well. --Phill talk Edits 15:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, urm, probably no concerns with WP:BLP as such.... But this is very important nonetheless. Given that Asperger's was not recognised until after his death, you absolutely cannot make a claim that he suffered from it even if a medical expert proposes that he did. If he was diagnosed with an unnamed motor skills disorder and there is reliable solid evidence – incontrovertable, ideally – then you can include that. If medical experts (emphasis on the plural) have suggested that he might have suffered from Asperger's, then that may be admissible provided that it is presented sensitively and purely as a theory rather than a fact. You're in a good position to do that anyway. Adrian M. H. 16:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not something which should be added. Anything like that is purely speculation, and would come under original research. You would need an independent sources confirming an official diagnosis. Any source speculating about it is not sufficient. By the way, the motor skill disorder was something he developed later in life after part of his face became infected with a virus. Readro 16:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Seems to me it would be in violation of WP:SYN. Shouldn't be added without reliable sources definitively saying he had Asperger's.  Noting that he had some symptoms which were associated with Asperger's, and that Asperger's was not recognized as such when he was alive, is insufficient. Chuck 16:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say include it if you have SOLID references that call out the specific medical condition(s), but make sure that you present it as a theory. I basically echo Barno's thoughts. Royalbroil 17:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It might be trivial to you, but might not be to him, after all, he has a professional racing driver and he is expected to be able to "feel" the car and set it up accordingly. So, I feel the same as Barno and Royal, unless you can find a citation from a medical authority (which Murray Walker is not), this should be kept out of the article. --Pc13 11:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, define "normal"! I for one can play GT4 on my Playstation, and even if I haven't raced on a track for a while, I can generally remember what gear to be in for any given corner. How much better imprinted must this information be if you complete a couple of hundred laps of the track, there, sitting in the car, experiencing it first hand? Also, the Prost shunt just sounds like petty revenge to me. Plenty of non-asberger's people can harbour a grudge for decades, never mind a year. This whole subject seems hugely speculative and not at all justified. You also choose to completely ignore the whole diagnostic symptom spectrum for AS. Simply remembering numbers, being a little prima-donnaish, and being reckless with your own safety does not constitute an asberger's diagnosis! Pyrope 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayrton Senna - Possibly Controversial... 

message: I recently noticed some additions of some lesser known 24 Hour endurance races to the :Template:24-hour races.  Originally just Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, and Daytona were listed, but now 2 races I've never heard off and the far from major Britcar race has been added.  There are at least a dozen 24-hour races in existance at the moment, with varying degrees of importance, but I can't think of them all at the moment.  Anyone who can help add races to the list will be appreciated.  I've already added the 24 Hours of Zolder. The359 04:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  24 Hour races 

message: Can someone help me out with the bottom oppose (about the copyright for logos on the image), I've tried to explain about exposure and things like that but I just wanted some help trying to get my case accross. Thanks. --Phill talk Edits 10:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've addressed it. AlexJ 12:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Kimi Räikkönen]] 

message: I have proposed the merger of Vegas Grand Prix and Las Vegas Grand Prix. Please leave any comments you may have here. Thanks. DH85868993 02:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine to me. I'll comment to that effect at that talk page. Adrian M. H. 21:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Was the circuit used for the Malaysian/Singapore GPs from 1962-1973 called the "Thomson Road Grand Prix circuit" or the "Thompson Road Grand Prix circuit"? I can find references to both on the web, and Singapore appears to have both a Thomson Road and a Thompson Road. I'm planning to rename Thomson Road Grand Prix to [Thom(p)son Road Grand Prix circuit] once I've established the correct spelling. -- DH85868993 15:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's fine as it is. Searching Google maps for the streets upon which the track was formed shows that the name of the street is "Thomson Road". I think the other spelling is a mistake which has been repeated through quotation. The surnames Thompson and Thomson are frequently mixed up by mistake so I presume the same thing has happened here. Readro 16:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to a map of the circuit. The circuit follows the Upper Thomson Road and the Old Upper Thomson Road. Readro 16:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. DH85868993 02:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thom(p)son Road Grand Prix circuit 

message: Is there a consensus over the format of results tables, possibly from the F1 project? (I don't participate in that). This is what seems to be de rigeur, but this is what someone decided to do. If the older format is preferred, I'll go ahead and revert it. Personally, the older format would be my choice, but I don't want to revert just based on my preference, so some comments/opinions would useful. I don't think we have ever discussed results tables at WP:MS. Adrian M. H. 21:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At WP:F1, we have established a standard format for driver results tables. However (to date) the maximum number of (World Championship) F1 races in a season has been 19, so there's a limit to how wide the table can become. The issue here appears to be series such as GP2 and A1GP which have two races per meeting, which could lead to very wide results tables. I could only find a few articles which have full results tables for "2 races per meeting" series, and a variety of approaches have been taken. Articles such as Will Power and Ryan Briscoe have the races labelled "XXX1" and "XXX2" and stacked on top of each other. As you've identified, Lucas di Grassi has recently been updated from "XXX1/XXX2, side-by-side" to "XXX FEA/XXX SPR, side-by-side". Timo Glock has the same format (created by the same editor). Jos Verstappen has yet another format, with both results in the same "square". I think it's worth establishing a standard format for multi-race meetings. For what it's worth, I like the "XXX1/XXX2 stacked" format as in Will Power and Ryan Briscoe, noting that it also allows for 3-race meetings (as occur in V8 Supercars) with no increase in table width. DH85868993 03:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never really liked that sort of format, I tried another format at Marcus Ericsson although this is his first year in motorracing (outside of karting) so I don't know how it will look with other championships underneath.--Phill talk Edits 13:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that vertical format (from Will Power's article) looks like it might be a good option, although all those flags are a bit messy and not all that useful. Verstappen's A1GP table is too squashed up. Part of the problem with the di Grassi article's new format is that it still creeps over the edge of the page in the very common 1024x768. Looks fine at 1280 and up, but many users will still prefer to see a horizontal scroll bar. Incidentally, I don't know who came up with that for use in Wikipedia, but it's a great idea. I first saw Diniz using this method. Adrian M. H. 16:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results tables 

message: Following the promotion of :Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2007.jpg to features status, Phill and myself were wondering if it would be feasible to draw up a list of FP criteria specific for motor racing, i.e., in addition to the standard FP criteria.  Phill has come up with a couple of suggestions: 
*Blur should only be in the Background of images taken at speed 
*No fences or guard rail should ever occupy the image infront of the primary object, ie a car or driver 
*Image's shouldn't really be tilted unless the circuit the photo has been taken on is very uneven, such as Brands Hatch or Spa-Francorchamps. 
Any thoughts?--Diniz 15:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Number 3 is a bit restrictive; it doesn't discriminate between artistic angles and too many beers! Seriously, though; some of the best shots are taken at unusual angles (and that includes motorsport). Just look at Darren Heath's work, for instance.Actually, it's a pity that he doesn't (AFAIK) contribute his images to Wikipedia! Adrian M. H. 16:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For me with images, there is no set criteria. A featured image for me is one that stands out from the rest as a superb image. It's very unlikely that an image with fence or guard rail in the foreground would look superb, the tilt thing would seem to rule out the Kimi pic that's been promoted! Oh, one more point - what are the differences in criteria between FP at Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons? Take :Image:Peugeot_206_WRC.jpg for example which is FP at Commons - could that be a good FPC here on WP? AlexJ 16:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Forget that last comment, that image is already FP here as well. I was looking at the Commons description instead of the Wikipedia description which lists both.  AlexJ 16:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there should be no set criteria either. Often the things listed will rule out a pic, but it depends on the image as a whole. I love that Peugeot pic too, and I !voted support when it passed FP. Royalbroil 01:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured pictures

message: I personally try and never ask for help on things in my sandbox, but sadly I can't get this done without some help - I know, your all thrilled! ;-) 
Anyway see My sandbox and try and fill in the gaps for the Monaco F3 support race if any of your guys have any extra infomation. --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 21:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, and I added an engine column as well. Enjoy :) Readro 22:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you get the info from, Readro? You may have a good F3 source that I don't know about. Adrian M. H. 22:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Formel3Guide.com. Readro 22:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, yes, I used that once for some recent data, but I didn't know that it was detailed enough to cover individual race results. Adrian M. H. 15:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ergebnisse und Streckenskizzen" is the link you want to find the race results. However it only seems to deal with the German and European races. Readro 15:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Readro.  Adrian M. H. 15:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fill in the Gaps, Please? 

message: Well, I've gone and created the Motorsport portal, it's still under construction and I'm just wondering whether any of these would be good ideas for the portal:
*A random championship table in one of the lower boxes. With the use of the random content template used for the Selected Article/Bio/Pic.
*An "On this Day..." box. With the use of  and  it would just be a matter of creating 365 (366?) pages...
Anyway, those are some ideas that are still in the design stage - what do you guys think the portal should have? --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 14:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite like all of those ideas.  Would it be possible to have a list of upcoming events / races - you could have a list of all of the covered series and their next events.  Similarly, you could have a list of recent winners. Jsydave 15:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, Phill. Can we get a better mix of articles from different series (not just F1) to be featured as well? They don't have to be FA level, I think GA is sufficient (that's what we've been using for F1). Much as I like to see Brabham publicised, how about Formula BMW, Henri Toivonen or Formula Three Euroseries? Even better would be some US or Asian focused ones, are there any at that standard? 4u1e 15:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GA standard is going to be a problem if you are looking for U.S. articles. I don't know of ANY. Few are even close. I have been working hard on getting Mario Andretti up to GA, but its been difficult to keep momentum with everyone else. I would hate to see this as a Eurocentric F1 portal. I do like the idea in theory, so let's try it anyhow. Royalbroil 16:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: (Comment: Oops. I have got good intentions re Mario, but I've been a bit distracted in the real world (house buying)! 4u1e 10:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish that I would have more experience with GA/FA so I would feel more comfortable with the process. Then I wouldn't have to ask for guidance. Royalbroil 12:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one way to get the experience! ;-) Mario needs some more work still, but I think we're looking good to get him through GA, and if we do that properly then FA shouldn't be a problem either. Although his career is more complicated than most others, that would at least give some kind of a model for other North American based drivers. Cheers. 4u1e 07:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I just found one (and only one) GA for WikiProject NASCAR International Speedway Corporation - it manages many NASCAR tracks and is owned by the France family (NASCAR's owners). Royalbroil 16:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, good work Skully. Couple of thoughts: No F1 stuff, because it's just duplication. Better to feature things that don't appear in other portals. Not sure about dates and winners for "all of the covered series", because that could run into hundreds of series! Even major series run into dozens. Asian stuff is tricky to get up to GA because of a lack of good reference material. Adrian M. H. 16:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, and if there's anything that I can do to help, Skully, let me know. Adrian M. H. 16:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with all of 4u1e's comments. Most of the articles for the top drivers in NASCAR are very weakly sourced, which is problematic. Royalbroil 12:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think it's worth having a redirect from Portal:Auto racing to cover a common US naming convention? Adrian M. H. 15:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if there's a wiki-policy for redirects to portals, but your suggestion sounds sensible to me. 4u1e 06:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see if I can find out. Adrian M. H. 12:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I found other precedents and no advice against it, so we now have a redirect for the U.S. terminology. Adrian M. H. 12:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll a have a go at finding a few. Adrian M. H. 11:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How recent do you want? I have had 13 DYK motorsports-type articles featured, and they can be found here. The article for boat racing legend Bill Muncey should have run, but was passed up this past week because there were too many articles nominated. I know that User:D-Day had several articles featured on DYK. Royalbroil 13:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added all of the original hooks from D-Day's articles. I will add 11 more of my hooks when I have some time. Fortunately, the list is not entirely U.S.-centric, as the hooks include British national Henry Segrave and the Segrave Trophy, New Zealander Steve Millen, and the IMSA GT Championship . Note the the Ken Squier hook is a current nominee for DYK. Royalbroil 13:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it matter show old they are or if they are "official" DYKs - just so long as there are a reasonable amount and about motorsport!--Diniz 14:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal 

message: I've created a DYK management section for the portal, so please can people add some?  I don't want to copy-and-paste all the F1 ones. ;) --Diniz 10:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll a have a go at finding a few. Adrian M. H. 11:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How recent do you want? I have had 13 DYK motorsports-type articles featured, and they can be found here. The article for boat racing legend Bill Muncey should have run, but was passed up this past week because there were too many articles nominated. I know that User:D-Day had several articles featured on DYK. Royalbroil 13:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added all of the original hooks from D-Day's articles. I will add 11 more of my hooks when I have some time. Fortunately, the list is not entirely U.S.-centric, as the hooks include British national Henry Segrave and the Segrave Trophy, New Zealander Steve Millen, and the IMSA GT Championship . Note the the Ken Squier hook is a current nominee for DYK. Royalbroil 13:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it matter show old they are or if they are "official" DYKs - just so long as there are a reasonable amount and about motorsport!--Diniz 14:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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