Talk:Standard social science model

message: The article cannot hide it's negative bias towards those who criticize the SSSM. In essence, it argues that the SSSM is a straw man.
What?? The above two sentences contradict...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.125.244 (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: SSSM is a strawman. Of course the article has to show that.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 20:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The first request for citation is in a sentence which is a cite to a book.
Is this reasonable?  Keith Henson (talk) 16:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unclear what in the intro is a book citation. Either the citation is to be expressly highlighted as a citation, or if it is not literal, then a reference is needed. The article refers to a lot of books, but not by the usual reference system of wikipedia. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 13:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silly cites request 

message: This quoted part should be deleted:
"Literature- literally translated, means "acquaintance with letters" and therefore the academic study of literature is known as Letters. In Western culture the most basic written literary types include fiction and nonfiction. Poetry - is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning. Poetry may be written independently, as discrete poems, or may occur in conjunction with other arts, as in poetic drama, hymns, lyrics, or prose poetry. It is published in dedicated magazines individual collections and wider anthologies, although it is rare to see anything other than lyric poetry outside of collections.
Drama - though it has also come to refer to a specific genre of fiction involving a serious mood and conflict. The term comes from a Greek word meaning "action". The enactment of drama in theatre, performed by actors on a stage before an audience, presupposes collaborative modes of production and a collective form of reception. The structure of dramatic texts, unlike other forms of literature, is directly influenced by this collaborative production and collective reception. The early modern tragedy Hamlet (1601) by Shakespeare and the classical Athenian tragedy Oedipus the King (c. 429 BCE) by Sophocles are among the supreme masterpieces of the art of drama.
Short story- is a work of fiction that is usually written in prose, often in narrative format. This format tends to be more pointed than longer works of fiction, such as novellas and novels or books. Short story definitions based upon length differ somewhat even among professional writers, due somewhat in part to the fragmentation of the medium into genres. Since the short story format includes a wide range of genres and styles, the actual length is determined by the individual author's preference and the submission guidelines relevant to the story's actual market. Guidelines vary greatly among publishers. Novella - is a written, fictional, prose narrative longer than a novelette but shorter than a novel. The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America Nebula Awards for science fiction define the novella as having a word count between 17,500 and 40,000.Other definitions start as low as 10,000 words and run as high as 70,000 words. Novel - is a long narrative in literary prose. The genre has historical roots both in the fields of the medieval and early modern romance and in the tradition of the novella. The latter supplied the present generic term in the late 18th century."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joxa (talk • contribs) 16:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This has nothing to do with SSSM 

message: I think there is a typo (or "thinko") in the first sentence here, which I quote here:
:The term the Standard Social Science Model (SSSM) was first introduced to a wide audience in the 1992 edited volume The Adapted Mind, and is commonly used by proponents of evolutionary psychology (EP)[citation needed] to describe a "blank slate"......(bold italiacs mine)
Shouldn't it be opponents of evolutionary psychology (EP), since it is the proponents of EP who want to get rid of the SSSM? 16:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proponents or opponents? 

message: I've come into this debate (above) and page rather late.  I'm a little worried that this page focuses mainly on critiques of the SSSM argument, and not very much on either the initial argument or responses to those critiques.  I'm tempted to put a POV tag on the page.  Don't get me wrong, the critiques need to be there, but the page needs better balance still.  StoneProphet11 (talk) 23:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively instead of adding a POV tag you coud add the content you think is missing. If you are able to do that, that would be more useful to our readers.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A fair enough point although...it would need a lot, I think, more than the effort of one person.  It's also not my immediate area, so it would be good to draw in some specialists from ev psyche who are more knowledgeable than I.  StoneProphet11 (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. 'Specialists from ev psyche' aren't what is needed. This is a debate about social science - the appropriate specialists are social scientists. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still POV?  

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thread_title:  Citations list useful for updating this article and related articles 

message: SSSM was clearly overstated as a rigorous model of social science thought, but it makes considerable sense as an ideal or polar type. No one on either side of the edit wars seems to recognize that.
I think there quite clearly was a sea change in predominant social science thought that led to a new appreciation for innateness. (I think the structuralists rather than the evolutionary psychologists were the earliest proponents.) SSSM can be seen as satire on those who deprecated innateness, but it is a satire that has real bite. 
This page reads like collection of folks fighting old wars.  Evidently the SSSM critique hit home--but the SSSM defenders don't know how to defend it.
Burressd (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Probably nobody identifies as an SSSM theorist. SSSM is used as a shorthand for a number of fashionable theories that are critized for ignoring contradicting evidence from the more biologically oriented sciences. 130.225.93.40 (talk) 11:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Precisely. Tooby and Cosmides conflated and summarized trends in social-science thinking which (broadly) placed cultural factors over biological ones, and gave them a catchy label. The debate between nature and nurture will run and run, and it's not the job of any article to join in the fun. What are the facts? The theories conflated as SSSM exist and have been promulgated. That isn't the definition of a straw man (straw person, to be inclusive?) Some agree with the theories, some (specifically Evolutionary Psychologists) disagree. Neither changes the fact that the theories exist. My personal interest is in the forcible reassignment of intersex males as female, and the pitfalls that have been recognized, including by former proponents. But it's hard to believe than proponents of neonatal sex reassignment didn't have in mind some version of the theory we call SSSM Chrismorey (talk) 12:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  SSSM as an ideal type