Talk:Sierra Entertainment

message: No mention here of Sierra Online Inc's Homeword word processor.  Homeword ran on Apple DOS (apple ][+, //e, //c) - and there is also Homeword Plus which ran on ProDos on the Apple //e and //c
I believe there was a Homeword for the IBM PC and Atari PC's too.
Some refs:
Atari:  https://archive.org/details/HomewordReferenceCard
ProDos Homeword Plus:  https://archive.org/details/apple_2_homewordplus
IBM:  https://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2014/08/homeword-sierra-onlines-easy-to-use.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.32.25 (talk) 16:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homeword 

message: I removed all reference to the "story" that Sierra was sold to EA. The original press release that was cited was just a copy/paste of the first paragraph of a fake news story making fun of Tiger Woods (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2009/12/tiger-woods-electronic-arts.html), which was posted a day earlier. I cannot find ANY other references to any information about EA buying Sierra. It's fake. --167.219.0.140 (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sold to EA 

message: Why no mention of SierraVenture? Or InterAction magazine? This article can be expanded so much more to include Sierra's history. -- œ™ 12:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SierraVenture 

message: Dynamix  was not a "Short-lived music division of Sierra".  Dynamix was primarily the "sim" division (A-10 Tank Killer, Red Baron, Pro Pilot), but also developed pet-projects of Jeff Tunnell like "The Incredible Machine" (and its sequels), the 3D Ultra series, Starsiege, Tribes, Trophy Bass, Ski Racing, and countless other titles.  http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/dynamix-inc/
Wkrick (talk) 05:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course you're right, however it appears to be mentioned within the context of "Cendant Corporation" so I'm unsure if it's referring to the same partnership Sierra originally had with Dynamix back in the Red Baron days. I'm unfamiliar with Sierra's later history in relation to Dynamix but I've commented out that line for now. -- œ™ 17:27, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynamix 

message: Where is arcanum in the list? That surely is a sierra game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.81.80.104 (talk) 10:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Arcanum, IIRC, was made by one of Interplay's Black Isle Studios based developers, probably not under the BIS name. Unless Sierra also made a game by that name. 76.119.147.254 (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum:_Of_Steamworks_and_Magick_Obscura. Published by Sierra Entertainment. It should definitely be noted. --Sgtlion (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arcanum 

message: ? Deman8899 (talk) 23:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a reference to the History, and added all Hi-res adventures... What needs to be edited the most? 

message: There reads (in Sierra Entertainment#Other Games, subsection "Cendant Corporation"): In 1998, Sierra split up its organization into six sub-brands and corporate divisions:
However, there are only five listed. Though, strangely, fi.wiki has five; Dynamix has been added and Sierra Movies is missing from there. 85.217.43.208 (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  six sub-brands? 

message: I believe some of the information about how Sierra was founded is incorrect...where does it say in Levy's Hackers that Ken was a programmer for IBM (according to Hackers, Ken was working as an independent consultant). Also, according to the forward to the guidebook in the Roberta Williams Anthology, Roberta first played text adventures on a teletype terminal, not an Apple II (even Hackers corroborates this, as Roberta was playing Colossal Cave before Ken bought the Apple II in Jan 1980). I wanted to throw this out there before changing it to ask if there's anything I've missed...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.177.124 (talk) 21:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of Info about the Sierra Founding? 

message: Kirk Shelton got jail time too, besides his fee.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/03/AR2005080302177.html
Majinsnake (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirk Shelton 

message: I have had this game for years and years.  I love it and it is my favorite PC game. I have listened to their conversation hundreds and thousands of times and would love to get an update version where the talking players say something different.  I have looked everywhere I can think of and can only find--96.25.66.215 (talk) 23:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The original Hoyl Card Games 

message: http://www.nodontdie.com/al-lowe/ is the interview I am referring to. It makes the claim- which does accord with the evidence already in the article- that the Sierra takeover by CUC was a predatory hostile takeover, and that Ken and Roberta Williams were effectively forced out of the company. Given the follow on stories about the CUC executive being central to the Cendant scandal and lawsuits already in the article, this seems like a useful bit of information to have in it. Sappow (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should be really careful with including controversial information from sources that might be biased. Instead of incorporating information from interviews, we should rely on balanced news coverage that can be backed up from multiple verifiable and notable sources. Monni (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a reasonable way to incorporate the Al Lowe interview into the article about Sierra's history? 

message: I think it's safe to rename this page as "Sierra"? As the Sierra Website implies that they're using the trademark Sierra instead of Sierra On-Line or Sierra Entertainment. Christhecoolboy (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need a more certain source. You could propose the page move (not rename)  if you want. 220 of Borg 09:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sierra Relaunch 

message: Just notifying that the history section has been 'split', or perhaps forked is more currently accurate, off to a new page, History of Sierra Entertainment. Any objections or comments on this? - 220 of Borg 09:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Opposed. I have redirected it back to this article. At 36k, this article is hardly large enough to need such a split. The history sections biggest issue is a presentation issue. It's length is partially caused by the dozens of unnecessary subsections. It should be condensed here, and many of the unnecessary lists and unsourced or trivial details removed. -- ferret (talk) 13:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, the history section is being used to detail lots of game releases. This need to be removed except for the most important releases and put in a table under a "Games developed" subsection. -- ferret (talk) 13:59, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. That is why the issue should have been discussed here first. It was a fairly new editor. 220 of Borg 10:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off of History section 

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replies: text: For reference, archiveurl was in error here. Wayback had a 302 error for this page on all snapshots. Webcite does not any snapshots. I tried a few variations but couldn't get a valid archiveurl.  -- ferret (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Tried a different subdomain, was able to get a valid archive. -- ferret (talk) 00:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi.
According to :By default, write articles in the present tense, including for those covering products or works that have been discontinued. Articles discussing works of fiction are also written in the present tense (see WP:Writing better articles § Tense). Generally, do not use past tense except for deceased subjects, past events, and subjects that no longer meaningfully exist as such.
In that light, I think "was a company" is not correct.
Best regards,<Br/>Codename Lisa (talk) 10:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Washington State's company register, Sierra Entertainment, Inc. is inactive and as such does no longer exist apart from an inactivity record, wherefore it applies to the latter part "no longer [exists] meaningfully". Again, also per my above concern Sierra is a brand (that is name, image, trademark) that was established by the company, but is not the company itself. Sierra ≠ Sierra Entertainment, Inc. Lordtobi (✉) 10:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, I thought we already came to a consensus regarding the layout of the Sierra Entertainment infobox? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not about the infobox, rather about the lead sentence. Lordtobi (✉) 11:49, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I must have gotten this discussion confused with your revert of Codename Lisa edit. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 11:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Verb tense

message: I've just added (in this diff) a few details about the fate of Sierra's original Oakhurst office. The source is effectively an opinion piece by an ex-employee, hardly a reliable source but marginally better than the nothing we had before. But it could use a better source.
That's not the reason I'm posting, though. Back in 1998 I was an employee of Cendant Corporation, the company Sierra had then-recently been acquired by, for a few months. (Literally... 7 months, to be precise.) Honestly I don't remember even being aware at the time that Sierra was a Cendant subsidiary, and I certainly possess neither allegiance to, nor inside knowledge of, either Sierra or Cendant — then or since — in any way that would influence my contributions. Still, in the interest of complete transparency I felt it best to make this declaration. In the same vein, I have placed a  notice at the top of this page. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 10:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that any contributions you make aren't going to a serious COI issue, given the distances in both time and your relative position then, but its good to at least declare it. I would not worry about it too much, and thus encourage you to continue to contribute. --Masem (t) 12:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks! Well, as you can see it didn't exactly deter me from editing, LOL. Nor do I imagine it will in the future... unless some sort of actual conflict arises, though I can't imagine how/what that could possibly be. But I made the declaration intending it as a statement pretty much to that effect: I'm aware of the possibility, however remote it may be, and will be sure to first consider possible COI before submitting any edits to the article. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declaring peripheral COI