Talk:Israel/Archive 18

message: I would like to propose that we make a differentiation between the labelling of the Arab and Palestinian populations for purposes of clarity and accuracy. As it is, the text doesn't make sense to the reader looking for information on Israel and the Palestinians in the period before the 1970s. It's as though Golda Meir wrote this article in her "Palestinians don't exist" phase which is a pretty serious NPOV oversight, no? I would be happy to go through the article and make changes as necessary, if there are others who would support the move. Tiamut 21:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology Palestinian vs. Arab 

message: A guideline on whether or not to italicize Hebrew (and all scripts other than Latin) is being debated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Italics in Cyrillic and Greek characters. - - Evv 16:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics in Hebrew 

message: why is this section:
the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel — to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel the full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions, but many refused.
under 2.5 War of Independence and migration in italics? for such a big claim there should be a citation as well. i am NOT removing it but i am currently changing it from italics to reg. type. italics are a vision based way to denote importance ore truth OVER something else. it reads like a "gotcha" moment over arabs. if its a quote one should use quotes.
:It was in italics since it was a quote, which was rather easy to discover, since you can just look it up in the original text of the declaration. It's now in qoutes, and in italics, just so it's easier to differentiate from the bulk of the text. okedem 21:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italics

message: If any Admin can hear me...
Please reinstate the semi-protection on the Israel article. The amount of vandalism acts here is ridicules.
okedem 11:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for semi-protection 

message: See Category:Israel
:Good grief, this is ridicules. One can argue over the legitimacy of Israel's actions, but to claim it doesn't exist? Well, that would make other arguments easier. If someone says "look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians", I can just reply "What Israel?". okedem 13:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can understand where PVJ's coming from: he want Wikinews to achieve absolute objectivity. That means even noting that there are 24 UN countries that don't recognize Israel. Wikinews is only two years old, and since Wikipedia has been around longer, I assume you have some rules about Israel vs. Palestine. —this is messedrocker (talk) 21:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You would be correct in saying PVJ's an admin. I would like to say though that we are still discussing the issue, as all issues of neutrality is discussed, no matter what their validity. we are not saying Isreal Does not (or for that matter does) exsist/have a right to exsist/whatever, Some people feel we should point out that some people people Don't like Isreal, Many people (me included) think that such a statement would be a political statement, and we shouldn't talk about Isreal foreign relations it unless it has relevence to a specific article. Bawolff 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Very unorthodox opinions" in this case includes calling for the annihalation of Israel. Let that suffice, for those interested in knowing just what we are talking about. --Daniel575 | (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Very unorthodox opinions"? It's not like Reform, Conservative or Reconstructionist Jews are calling for the annihilation of Israel either. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinews has some issues with Israel's nation status 

message: The British mandate officially ended on May 15th 00:00, or May 14th 23:59 - midnight between those dates. The declaration of the establishment of the state was made on 16:00, May 14th, 8 hours before the mandate ended. May 14th was the 5th of Iyar (month from the hebrew calendar), and that's when Israel celebrates its independence day every year (it falls on a different gregorian date every year, but it's always the 5th of Iyar). See also: Yom Ha'atzmaut. okedem 10:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the elaboration...just to be clear, would you concur with leaving it as May 14, or do you think some change or addition is warranted? Schrodingers Mongoose 23:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: May 14th would be the appropriate date. okedem 17:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Independance 

message: "It is widely suspected that the four larger 25.5 inch torpedo tubes could be capable of launching nuclear-armed Popeye Turbo cruise missiles with a range of up to 1500 km [3], as well as launching underwater swimmer delivery vehicles"
This is from the dolphin class wikipage (note the suspected as well as the could be). Thus stating (as the article currently does) that "Israel maintains a fleet of Dolphin class submarines capable of carrying nuclear munitions" is missleading and should be changed by someone who can, or when the lock is removed (sometime next century i presume). --JollyRogerz 09:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuclear capability 

message: I noticed a technical error that I'd like to point out.  The most recent statistic for population reads 7,047,0001, but that's not possible as far as numbers go.  Probably an extra 0 was added accidentally, but since editing of the article is blocked—and I couldn't cite the correct statistic myself—I'll just suggest that the creator tidy it up when he or she gets around to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kconway091887 (talk • contribs) .
:Thanks. Sounds right to me, what you say. I changed it. Please do sign your comments on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~ )! --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo