Talk:Wii system software

message: The System Updates alone can't be an article, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A list of releases can be included in the article about the software itself, but not as a self article. -- ReyBrujo 02:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an intro paragraph to the Wii System Updates page. Also, why can't the system updates just be a separate page? It is essentially just a list. -Zomic13 18:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: PS3 doesn't have firmware. (As a side note.) Meanwhile, this page should just combine the two. Merge. --Son 04:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you not read the first line of the article? "PlayStation 3 System Software (プレイステーション3 システム・ソフトウエア, Pureisutēshon Surī Shisutemu Sofutouea?), sometimes referred to incorrectly as firmware, is updateable software and operating system for the PlayStation 3." Secondly, I don't believe the article would be too long. There are some very long articles out there, such as on WWII and List of DirecTV channels. Hence I support merging. It should be one article, not two. --Son 14:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: is if fair for you to delete everyone else's views, just because they don't match your own?  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oh yeah, and I say MERGE, but someone'll need to take very special care of putting both articles together, also Wii System Updates need to be left to redirect to Wii System Software, as the name of the former will help people looking for this information!  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right Doktor Wilhelm, lets keep it as it is. Enc Company Agent 23:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Two articles, exact same subject. Take the best from both articles, put it in the Wii System Software article, and have the other one redirect to Wii System Software. I fail to see the problem. MERGE VDZ 12:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: MERGE No need for two articles about the same topic.  Neo Samus 21:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wii System Updates merge

message: I tried, but I don't know where to even start?  Doktor  Wilhelm  16:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, who's going to merge the two articles? 

message: This article (as well as the other system software articles) seem to lean strongly towards: What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory and Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information. The content is useful, but listing every little update isn't useful in my view. RobJ1981 (talk) 04:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the table.  I don't really see much difference at this point between this article, or the other articles listed under See Also.  I'm also concerned that you'd tap this one for deletion, but not the others.  --Son (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Listing every update included IS useful as it shows the progression of the console. The system and channel updates have now been split so its easier to read through and shows the evolution of the console 80.7.73.24 (talk) 11:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article concerns

message: With 3.2, people keep changing the latest update to minor when it is a Major update. Nintendo release minor updates, they are kept on the SAME VERSION NUMBER. If it is a major update, the version number is increased. This update was from 3.1 (2nd update) to 3.2, therefore it was a MAJOR UPDATE!! 
To prove the point, the 2.0 version of the software (in USA) had 3 MINOR updates before 2.2 came out (2.1 being PAL only)
You have to realise that just because one thing is noticable doesnt mean its the ONLY update, there are performance updates and such, none of which are mentioned.
Stop changing it incorrectly. Chocobogamer (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor/major 

message: I removed the Major/Minor Update column because the only updates classified as "major" are those that have a different firmware version. It's redundant. Additionally, if any other update were to be classified as major it would either be a) because lots of new features were added (in which case it would be obvious) or b) because it is someone's opinion that a certain update is more valuable than the rest. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the Major/Minor Update Column 

message: It seems there's been a new update made since the last one, because when I inserted my SSBB disc, it required that I update before I could play.  I know for a fact I had the February 25 software because the disc channel showed the "Update Required" image when I inserted the disc.  Does anyone have any details about this update? STLocutus (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The update is so that your Wii can receve messages from the Smash Service.--Megamanfan3 (talk) 12:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember something similar with Mario Strikers Charged (PAL), I had the latest update on the console but the game installed a sort of mini update too. I have changed the details on the page to fit Chocobogamer (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update for Smash Bros. Brawl 

message: IOS37 is also out for the PAL region, JP region is unknown. However the date the update was put onto the PAL servers is unknown (between 22nd March and today). See http://wiibrew.org/index.php?title=IOS37 . 195.76.6.5 (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IOS37 update now out for PAL region 

message: It's just a website which streams video with Flash, so the only requirement is the normal Internet channel, if you've already downloaded the Internet channel then no update is required. Therefore whoever placed the cross in the download column was right.
However it's debatable if it should be included as a channel at all as it's not a service provided by Nintendo, it's just a website which detects if you have a Wii and adapts the content accordingly. 195.76.6.5 (talk) 09:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding of it is that it's just a special website for Wii. If this is the case, then it has nothing to do with the Wii's system software and should be removed. -Zomic13 (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About BBC iPlayer 'channel' 

message: Since it hasn't been activated, how do we know it actually exists?
Is WiiBrew a valid source? 83.130.93.226 (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IOS37 update/Wii Kernel fix 

message: Didn't Japan get this update as well? Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 17th System update 

message: Under the Wii System Update releases heading is this little blurb:
 At a press conference it was announced a future update would be available in the spring.
Which year's Spring is this referring to, and where is the source for this info? ("a press conference" is not a good source!) This might as well be referring to Spring 2007 making it way out of date... STLocutus (talk) 05:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A new feature (regarding SD storage) was announced earlier this month. It will be released in a system update expected Spring 2009. However, it shouldn't be mentioned in the article until it is released. -Zomic13 (talk) 05:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous Comment 

message: The "Checks for and removes modified save files." entry is wrong. It states so in Nintendos update message, but in fact there is no new savegame check added. The only save check that is performed by the Wii is the check to remove the twilight hack, that was added with the June 16th 2008 update.
This can be verified in the log of the current update: http://wii.marcansoft.com/wiimpersonator/reports/20081023-031234.log
As you can see Nintendo didn't even touch the system menu (which would check for hacked saves) but merely patched all and added a few IOS-versions and updatet the shop channel.
Furthermore the new twilight hack still works after the update, so you can see it doesn't remove it. ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.218.117.155 (talk) 22:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 23rd 2008 System update 

message: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/System_Menu_4.2
Deletes Homebrew Channel and HackMii Installer. 75.107.162.133 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  System Menu 4.2 

message: Technically, these channels are not downloaded, but actually installed by the host games (which makes sense, as accessing anything beyond what's in the channel requires the disc of the game in question). Should they really be under the released channels list? --Thunderbird8 (talk) 06:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Kart and Wii Fit channels 

message: IOS is currently a disambiguation page, and it links to this one. Its proposed to move iOS (Apple) over than and move the redirect to IOS (disambiguation). See Talk:IOS (Apple)#Requested Move 3 if you wish to comment. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request to move [[iOS (Apple)]] to [[IOS]] 

message: Metroid: Other M required me to install a new Wii System Menu the other day, less than a week after I'd checked for new updates and found none.
I know the version number because it shows up on the Wii System Settings panel.
Does anyone know what's new in 4.3U?
--Powerlord (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Googling a bit, I guess this just means the US version, although it's unclear why it tried to install the same firmware version that was already on the system. --Powerlord (talk) 23:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the section on the article about IOSes. This is just an additional IOS, previously not available from the update servers, but only available on the game's disc (though it might now have been added to the server, I can't remember). It was originally a Korean IOS, used by pirates (mostly) due to bugs in it, so this will effectively stop that from being used, if/when it is released on the update server. It will not affect any of the rest of the system. This has happened before (Animal Crossing: City Folk was an example, including IOS38 with WiiSpeak support) and will most likely happen again. 80.42.232.23 (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii System Menu version 4.3U? 

message: The nintendo channel has been updated in UK on March 9th 2011 and the update is for Software title information for the Nintendo 3DS Systemhttp://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=152370 A Candela (talk) 23:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: nintendo channel update

message: My Kirby's Dream Collection disc had no update on it (and it has been ages since I've bothered with the System Update function on my Wii). So I'm curious as to where that section came from. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirby's Dream Collection "update" section 

message: Note that articles regarding "system software" of various game consoles such as this one is currently nominated for deletion. The reason for deletion by the nominator is WP:NOTCHANGELOG. If you have any opinion, please go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xbox One system software and discuss it, thanks! --Cartakes (talk) 12:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for deletion 

message: If there is a compelling and encyclopedic need to include details about past versions of the system software, could we limit it to important and/or noteworthy details? Wikipedia is not the place for complete version histories (but anyone can feel free to start your own wiki for that purpose!). —67.14.236.50 (talk) 04:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there’s some resistance to simply blanking the section for the time being, can I just request that we remove all entries which do not cite (and use) secondary sources? I may do so myself if no one else does. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 06:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No justification has been given for keeping the section since I first posted here, and it’s chock full of copyright violations of questionable encyclopedic value, so I’ve removed it again. If there’s any reason to keep it, please join in the discussion here. Thanks. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

text: All right then, I’ll cut it down to one table of major releases. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  About that update history 

message: This page was blanked out in favor of a redirect to the Wii#Hardware section. There was no discussion about a merge or delete here on the talk page. Pages exist for Xbox 360 system software and PS3 system software, so why would a page for the Wii system software not make sense?
I don't even completely agree about removing the intermediate updates which added and removed significant features. However, that was the result of a talk discussion. Blanking the page for a possible future summarization within another article, when articles of this sort have been determined to be notable and acceptable Wikipedia content, is silly without a prior talk discussion. Jbbdude (talk) 00:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone's got an axe to grind. Thanks for the ping, but no thanks for the mischaracterization. The linked deletion discussion has a very clear consensus for redirecting the "articles" that consisted of unsourced and trivial lists. Please provide sources or remove the unsourced info. czar 01:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  No axes here. Apologies if it seems a bit harsh; wasn't my intent. The discussion did come to a conclusion of "no consensus," not any clear consensus to redirect. In fact, it was explicitly discussed that a redirect would warrant a future nomination and discussion. I was surprised that that didn't happen. I understand the concerns you have, but since that discussion much of the changelog elements were removed. Since your comment, a lot of work has already been done on the article on content and sourcing. It looks like at least some of your concerns are being addressed. Jbbdude (talk) 04:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restored the page 

message: I went onto the Wii system software page and saw that there is no list of games that require system updates and what the updates do to your system. Jake Mersereau (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  No list of games that require Wii system updates and what the updates do to your system 

message: The predecessor is the GameCube system software, not the GameCube console itself. And we should start in the section "History of updates" from the oldest to the newest version because it's more clear then. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Predecesdor 

message: Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, I don't think the information included in the Wii Menu article is notable enough to warrant its own article, especially considering that most of it consists of descriptions for "channels" (software applications) that would certainly fail WP:GNG. In fact, I think most of the subjects covered in the article are WP:EXCESS in detail and could easily be simplified and merged into the Wii system software article; by contrast, the current highest-ranked article about video game console system software (Xbox system software at B-Class, at least the Xbox One and Xbox Series X/S software section) passively mentions such applications. SmartAn01 (talk) 08:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Wii Menu]] into [[Wii system software]] 

message: The infobox lists “PPC” under “Written in” and cites and links nothing. What is PPC? Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything (talk) 15:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what I know about Wii hardware, it's probably referring to the PowerPC CPU chip (Broadway) in the console. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is PPC?