Talk:Fictional universe of Harry Potter

message: Should the transportation section be expanded and moved to its own page? There is a lot of stuff that could be added... I'll do it, if anyone wants me to... Phoenix Song 02:00, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok 👍, you can do it. 72.193.153.70 (talk) 18:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Transportation

message: * Could someone please clarify for me, dwarves have been added to the magical creatures>beings list. As far as im aware there are no dwarves in the Harry Potter serise. I have deleted the entry but on the off chance that I have missed an errant dwarf hidding in Dumbledore's broom cupboard, I will of course add them back on. Death Eater Dan 15:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall a mention of minotaurs anywhere in the series, but perhaps someone else can. Noneofyourbusiness 03:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dwarfs

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wizarding Examinations Authority. Petros471 18:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: The article states that "about 40" people entered Hogwarts with Harry, and referenced HP1.  I can't find any reference to this count in the book.  I'm assuming that it is a calculation, based on (five students per dorm [going by Griffendor]) * (two dorms, boys and girls) * (four houses).  However, in HP5, when Harry quarrels with Seamus, he says "If you've got a problem sharing a dorm with me, go and ask McGonagall if you can be moved," implying that there may be more than one male dorm in their year.  Is there some more definitive basis for this comment? -- Delius1967 05:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: "About the only feats disallowed by magic are the conjuration (creation from nothing) of permanent objects [...]"  Where does this come from?  Wizards are conjuring solid objects all the time.  Dumbledore creaates a chintz armchair at Harry's hearing in HP5; he conjures mead (and glasses for it) in HP6; Malfoy conjures a snake in HP2; etc.  These things only disappear when he directs them to, which for all practical purposes makes them permanent.  There is some limitation, obviously, since why would they need Diagon Alley otherwise?  But it's not as black and white as "no conjuring anything". -- Delius1967 07:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. 72.193.153.70 (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limits of Magic 

message: Can we really say that one knut equals a British pound? If 493 knuts equals a galleon, that means a galleon is worth about 500 pounds. At the Quiddich world cup, Harry buys everyone omnioculars for 10 galleons apiece, and by the current standards, is dropping around 1500 pounds on his buddies on a whim. There are a number of other examples as well that would suggest the money is worth far less.
:There is a lot of confusion about the value of a galleon. See Money in Harry Potter. And please sign your posts. Four tildes should do it :-) 18:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy

message: There are arguments for keeping the old layout; that I will concede, though I think my layout is clearer. But changing the intro, which, by any definition, is far too short, that I cannot abide. For now, I'll leave the layout as it is, but the intro should be retained. Serendipodous 07:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: re: reversions

message: I have deleted the genetics section, as it has no place in this or any other article.  It is irrelevant  and has nothing to do with the HP series. Furthermore, it has no basis in the series and isn't mentioned, ever.John Reaves 07:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wizarding Genetics Section 

message: What is this? Michaelsanders 02:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "...an ash-coloured warthog found in Congo and Zaire." From Fantastic Beasts...  John Reaves 02:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Michaelsanders 02:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tebo

message: Michaelsanders, I don't want to start an edit war on this, so let's discuss it here.  In HP5, Dumbledore says (quoting from memory, I don't have the book in front of me): "I should explain that members of the Order have a more reliable method of communication than the floo network."  He doesn't detail what it is, only that it exists.  In HP6, Tonks does indeed use her Patronus charm to alert people in the castle that she (and Harry) have arrived.
However, that the first comment refers to the second action doesn't seem plausible to me on several counts.  First of all, a Patronus is a localized manifestation of a single wizard; it would not serve well for long-distance communication.  The same argument would raise security concerns, etc.  Second, there is no indication that a Patronus has the capability of delivering a payload, i.e. an actual message, as opposed to simply making its presence known.  It's the difference between getting a telegram and reading it.  A Patronus seems particularly ill-suited to any form of detailed communication.
You say in the edit summary that Rowling has confirmed that she was referring to the Patronus; can you provide a link to this? Delius1967 19:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Members of the Order use their Patronuses to communicate with each other. They are the only wizards who know how to use their spirit guardians in this way and they have been taught to do so by Dumbledore (he invented this method of communication). The Patronus is an immensely efficient messenger for several reasons: it is an anti-Dark Arts device, which makes it highly resilient to interference from Dark wizards; it is not hindered by physical barriers; each Patronus is unique and distinctive, so that there is never any doubt which Order member has sent it; nobody else can conjure another person's Patronus, so there is no danger of false messages being passed between Order members; nothing conspicuous needs to be carried by the Order member to create a Patronus."  That said, your points are entirely justified: I consider the idea that a Patronus could be anything other than a visual signal (or its real purpose, a Dementor ward) unadulterated rubbish (and on the Redhen site, there's a brief amusing parody comparing the business to Lassie giving messages). Nonetheless, it is unfortunately what Rowling has said, so we just have to accept it. And hope that there is some half-credible logic in it. Michaelsanders 19:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, straight from the source.  Should probably add that link to the main page. Delius1967 20:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patronus charm as communication 

message: Bill Weasley had a pen pal at an unknown school in Brazil, who took offence when Bill couldn't afford a student exchange programme and sent him a cursed hat that made his ears shrivel up. " Huh?--Problematik 05:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mentioned in GoF ch. 7. faithless (speak) 02:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Schools: Where is this Brazilian school mentioned?

message: The article contains nothing but factoids from the books, which is unnecessary as the book and film articles cover the story. The one reference to Rowling talking about exchange rates could be moved in here. Judgesurreal777 16:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in Money of Harry Potter

message: I was about to move the article to Harry Potter universe with a lower case "u" until I had second thoughts and wanted to pass by the main editors of this page. "Universe" is not a proper noun, this is not the "official," per se, name of the article, so shouldn't it be "u"? --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 18:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, so I'm moving the article. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital or lower-case Universe? 

message: That whole article about a fascinating topic harry potter, is unfortunately just all OR and should have any important parts merged in here. Judgesurreal777 15:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine if it can stand on its own, I don't love mergers for the sake of them. But what within Blood purity is out of universe? I was under the impression it was AFD'd because it had none. Judgesurreal777 04:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No merge. I think that Blood Purity is it's own article. --MacMad (talk · contribs)  16:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in Blood purity

message: "The Daily Prophet" redirects here, but there seems to be no content related to it in this article 172.130.152.27 (talk) 21:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have redirected the page to a more suitable loaction in Harry Potter newspapers and magazines. [[Guest9999 02:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Daily Prophet

message: It's called the Wizarding world or the Wizard world. That's the name of the Harry Potter universe. Changing it is like changing "Middle-earth" to "Lord of the Rings Universe". Serendipodous 14:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the article does, or will eventually include the whole of the Harry Potter universe, not just the wizards, because remember there are many muggles who aren't part of the "Wizarding world". Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why was this moved to "Harry Potter Universe"?

message: I haven't read all of Harry Potter, yet. But I remember (from the first book) that 1 sickle is 29 knuts. The table in the exchange rate sections states that 42 knuts are one sickle. Vandalism, or was this changed in the later books? --Stesch (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I checked the link to CNN's currency converter and they configm: 1 sickle is 29 knuts. And: the table showed that 1 knut is 0.03448 sickles. That's the correct value for 1/29, not for 1/42! Looks like hidden vandalism. I changed the 42 to 29 and the 714 to 493 (= 1 galleon). --Stesch (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Potter_universe&diff=189344195&oldid=189298053 and later http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Potter_universe&diff=192248870&oldid=192246919 (could be a failed attempt to correct the error). --Stesch (talk) 20:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in Money section

message: I am new here and wondered where you get all the source info that you use on these pages.  I have all 7 books (American version) also the books Fantastic beasts and Quidditch that J.K.R. wrote, and the first 5 films on dvd (american).  Some of the stuff I see here I have never heard of.  I check J.K.R.'s site a lot and don't find the stuff 
listed there either. Shouldn't the information here be taken directly from Rowling?  From anyone else it is just guess work.
Thanks
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thread_title:  source information 

message: I am new here and wondered where you get all the source info that you use on these pages.  I have all 7 books (American version) also the books Fantastic beasts and Quidditch that J.K.R. wrote, and the first 5 films on dvd (american).  Some of the stuff I see here I have never heard of.  I check J.K.R.'s site a lot and don't find the stuff 
listed there either. Shouldn't the information here be taken directly from Rowling?  From anyone else it is just guess work.
Thanks
WHITETIGERLADY44
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thread_title:  source information 

message: Passage states their money is bimetalic, then goes on to state they use three metals- which would be 'trimetallic'. I don't know the series well enough to know which is more accurate, could somebody check it out and fix it? Thanks. 204.69.139.16 (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  coinage 

message: "It is customary for young wizards to travel the world to "observe foreign witches and wizards" after graduation to complete their education".
How the heck is it customary to travel? I would imagine that it is just like people who complete University. They may travel the world, or they may go straight into the work force.Wild ste (talk) 22:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  After Hogwarts 

message: I just happened to come over the Narcissa page. It's a redirect to here as "Narcissa Malfoy". As there is a much more notable Narcissa, the American missionary Narcissa Whitman and a small place in Oklahoma, Narcissa, Oklahoma, I'd like to turn it in a disambiguation page. As the original author, User:Od Mishehu, said in creating the redirect that "As long as there are no other claims to this first name, it should redirect here. If there are others, feel free to replace with a disambiog page" I think that there are no objections, so if no are risen here, I'd be bold and do it. Link to this discussions have been posted to Talk:Narcissa Whitman and User talk:Od Mishehu. Happy editing, Snowolf How can I help? 07:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt there could be any objection.  A redirect is a disambiguation page with one entry.  When there's more than one, it gives the reader a clear choice.  Go for it.  —EncMstr (talk) 07:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: . Snowolf How can I help? 10:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Narcissa]] 

message: When I searched for Nurmengard, I was redirected to this page but it doesn't have an entry. I would go ahead and add it but I'm not sure where to do so.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.36.234.233 (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nurmengard]] 

message: I would appreciate some clarification on the following text please. "Squib births are rare anomalies, and the Ministry of Magic does not keep records of them." JKR does not actually state that no record is kept of them in the reference given. While it is clear in the series that Squibs are an anomaly, I am uncertain about no records kept of them. In Book 5, Order of the Phoenix, when Mrs. Figg is at Harry's trial, it is said that there is no record of "any witch or wizard living in Little Whinging". When she states that she is a squib, she replies "so you wouldn't have me registered." I take this to mean registered as a member of the wizarding community. Mrs. Figg is told that "We'll be checking that. Leave details of your parentage with my assistant Weasley."
I may be nit picking [and would be pleased to be told so], but I think "the Ministry of Magic does not keep records of them." is ambiguous. Given that the Ministry places great importance on keeping the wizarding community secret from Muggles, it would be in their best interests to know the identity of Squibs at least. Presumably, checking on Mrs. Figg's parentage would reveal they had produced a child and that she is a Squib. 
I suggest that the text could read "and the Ministry of Magic does not require them to be registered as part of the Magical Community." Any comment would be appreciated. Proxxt (talk) 12:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squibs 

message: This is very badly done. There are many instances when a Muggle-born or half blood does something religious. This should not really be included in a section about wizarding religion, because they weren't raised by wizards (though technically they are, it could easily just be a one off case and should not be applied to the universe as a whole). Also, the fact that there are churches in Godric's Hollow is irrelevant; there are churches and a cathedral in London, but they're nothing to do with wizard religion. If there was a church in Hogsmeade, I'd see that as proof of religious wizards, but there is no mention of one.
I've added a few lines to explain this, but it may be better off with a sentence at the end saying something like: It should be noted that Wizards raised by Muggles may not have the same religious beliefs as pure blood wizards due to their upbringing. Religious actions by these wizards could simply be one off cases influnced by Muggles, rather than an indicator of a wizrding religion."
How come then does Mrs. Wealsly say "Thank God" in the 7th Book?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.131.57 (talk) 19:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very unlikely statement. The in-universe truths , puts all "muggle religions" out of play. If something there would have to be denominations specially for Wizards for it to work. That is, the in-universe realities in the HP series are obviously incompatible with either denomination of the christian religion.  chandler ··· 01:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: How about we use a vertical series box (part of a series on the Harry Potter Universe) on this page, Spells in Harry Potter, Places in Harry Potter etc., or alternatively, on all Harry Potter pages (i.e. Part of a series on Harry Potter.  ajmint (talk•email•contribs•subpages) 16:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 

message: The article mentions that the wizards lack Muggle technology, but not how the separation in 1700 also put them out of touch with social progress.  They missed out on the abolitionist movement and so still own elf-slaves.  Their use of dementors in prisons violates the American Fifth Amendment and its counterparts in other countries.  Also, their notions of legitimacy are so primitive that Voldamort apparently was able to take over simply by occupying the Ministry of Magic.  The fact that Voldamort's mother took refuge in a Muggle orphanage implies that they have no social-welfare system, except for scholarships for poor students at Hogwarts.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wizard World backwardness 

message: In fact, by the end of the eries the Weasley's Family is nos a pure-blood family according to the definition given. The Weasleys have mixed theri blood with that of Harry and Hermione who have muggle ancestors; this contradicts the idea of Blood Purity as "not having muggle ancestors on the genealogical pedigree".--Luke in spanish (talk) 02:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Blood Purity

message: The Black Family-Which is in the middle of Blood Purity seems to be out of place. I suggest putting it in another section because BLACK FAMILY is not a blood status like Squib-Mudblood-etc...
--Tech-Chef (talk) 20:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Family 

message: Technically speaking, since Voldemort is Merope Gaunt's son and he doesn't really die until DH, can it be said that the Gaunt line ended before book 1?  It did end in the male line, in that Morfin died childless, but it didn't end entirely.  EDIT: Claiming this comment because I forgot to log in before.  Sorry!  Nachturnal (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaunt line? 

message: Where have all the potions gone? Wasn't there a list of their names, appearances, effects, etc. somewhere? 71.189.41.100 (talk) 05:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potions? 

message: Does anyone have a source stating why Rowling chose those ugly primes? Years ago on Money in Harry Potter (before that was merged) it said "The coin values may be arbitrary, possibly a parody of the British monetary system before it was decimalised." That seems interesting and likely (even as it completely misses the point that £sd's utility came from its high divisibility), but annoyingly I have not found a source for this. (Strange number conversions may not bother the wizards, but I'd be amazed if not being able to split a Galleon evenly into halves doesn't bother them.) Double sharp (talk) 10:44, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's probably a half-Knut, though the books don't say so.--2001:A61:21F4:A101:EDDF:555D:8EF0:DD32 (talk) 12:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: It's just part of the general comedy trope of wizards having little common sense, I think. Mezigue (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: It shouldn't and doesn't in the article. This is just the talk page. Mezigue (talk) 07:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of 17 and 29 as divisions of money 

message: There's an image, on the page, of a family tree-- which is now incorrect. Charlus and Dorea are not the grandparents of James; James's parents are Euphemia and Fleamont Potter who were "old by wizarding standards" when James was born; Dorea would be 40 at the time James was born -- hardly old.
Can this be removed please?--86.186.69.43 (talk) 17:34, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Family Tree

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force#Rename articles.  Elizium23 (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force#Rename articles]]

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