Talk:Mummers Parade

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a  
Merge Proposal and / or Redirect. 
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The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of several articles into this talk page's article was: 
Not Done—No Consensus to Merge.</br>—     —     —     —     —
[April 2013]: I propose that content from the following pages ought to be merged into Mummers Parade because the articles on groups affiliated with the parade are not sufficiently notable in and of themselves. They are barely above the notability "garage bands" or "local clubs" or a local holiday parade, their coverage is chiefly local and they do not register on the larger media stages which would impute general notability and they are considered unmerited by several editors under the notability guidelines for musical groups.  This content currently at the five articles below (other groups do not have articles and are redlinked on the Mummers Parade article) would be better served at Mummers Parade. The effected articles are:
* Adelphia (fancies)
* Aqua String Band
* Greater Kensington (string band)
* Holy Rollers N.Y.B.
* Pennsport (string band)
Also consider WP:PERMASTUB, WP:ADVERT, WP:MERGETEXT, Discuss. --ColonelHenry (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: * No hard feelings, but WP:AGF. These articles aren't notable on their own per above-referenced policies.--ColonelHenry (talk) 14:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to assume good faith when you are going after theses articles just to be a dick. Don't be a dick. Your point cites WP:N. All of the subjects are the subject of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. You repeatedly refer to "garage bands" and "musical groups". Several of these "musical groups" are not musical groups. All meet the general notability guideline. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  None of that hostility and incivility addresses the relevant issue that the material is better served merged than to remain a permanent stub.--ColonelHenry (talk) 02:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing something to be a dick does not mean you have a relevant point. It means you wanted to be a dick. Congratulations. Meanwhile, the articles are the subject of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, passing the general notability guideline. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal April 2013

message: The source cited says, "South Philadelphia once was home to large populations of migrants from Ireland and Italy, who produced both Mummers and crowds along the route. Those populations have thinned and been replaced by new immigrant groups - Asians and Hispanics - with fewer ties to the parade."
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An editor,  would like this to say, "The Mummers clubs are home to diverse ethnicities, but are most notably Irish American and Italian American, with generations of them being mummers since they arrived from Ireland and Italy."
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It does not. It says, "Numerous Irish and Italian immigrants once populated South Philadelphia, forming the Mummers and parade goers. As these groups have begun to be replaced by Asian and Hispanic immigrants, local ties to the parade have weakened." - SummerPhD (talk) 04:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A tale of two edits 

message: Time for a new daughter article?
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This piece from the Library of Congress is certainly reliable. I'll look for more in a bit. - SummerPhDv2.0 14:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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message: The section being disputed by 71.168.181.234/User666x cites numerous sources which they characterize as "poorly sourced" from "Left-wing media outlets". These sources include Philadelphia (Metrocorp), HuffPost (AOL), Slate, WCAU "NBC10" (NBCUniversal), University of Michigan Press (Michigan Publishing), The Philadelphia Inquirer, WHYY-TV (PBS), the City of Philadelphia, Philadelphia City Council and Philly Voice (Interstate General Media).
Several of these are listed at WP:RSP. If there are any others you feel do not satisfy the criteria outlined at Wikipedia:Reliable sources, please explain. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources vs. "Left-wing media outlets" 

message: 71.168.181.234/User666x says the disputed section makes "accusations of racism" as part of some "kind of woke agenda".
The relevant policy here is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Wikipedia aims to "(represent) fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." This does not mean that we present "both sides" of every issue. If independent reliable sources say the Earth is spherical, Wikipedia does not intend to give equal weight to those who claim otherwise.
Independent reliable sources (see #Reliable sources vs. "Left-wing media outlets" above) say that the parade has been critiqued by local residents, academics, and the media for racist depictions and repeated violations of an official ban on blackface and has continued to include blackface, brownface, or redface caricatures and other racial and ethnic impersonation. Additionally, the parade has often included racist, sexist, anti-LGBTQ, and culturally insensitive costumes, makeup, and images.
The article does not say the parade or any Mummers individually or as a group are racist.
We do not have any independent reliable sources saying the parade has not repeatedly included this content or that residents/academics/the media have not critiqued it.
If you believe the sources do not support this material, please explain. If you feel there is additional material in the sources which is not included but should be, please explain. If you feel you have additional sources that are not in the article, please provide them. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV vs. "woke agenda"