Talk:Józef Bem

message: In Transsylvania, where Bem fought during much of the Hungaria 1848 Revolution, he is remembered as a savage criminal of war, because he ordered extensive massacres of the local native population. The Transsylvanian's aim during the Revolution was to unite Transsylvania with the rest of the Romanian lands and Bem was sent there by the Hungarian Revolutionary Government in order to supress this movement. Therefore he initiated the massacres of 40.000 local civilian citizens as a retaliation for the harrasement of the Bem's soldiers by local guerilla fighters. He never had the popular support of the local population (except the Hungarian local groups). During several local battles with organised army cores of Transsylvanians (the famous mountain highlanders legions, under the leadership of Avram Iancu) he was constantly defeated and his armies repelled. The main reason of his final defeat are therefore his odious massacres he ordered against civilian locals and his incapacity to deal with the smaller Transsylvanian Highlanders army cores. It is worthy to remember the odious and criminal nature of Joseph Bem's character, who was indeed an antecessor of sinister figures as Himmler and Goebbels.
Er, any sources to support this extreme point of view? I think comparing someone to Himmler is a bit unfair. Bem was a good solider and, sorry to say, because Avram Iancu seems to be Romanian national hero, he was defeated by Austrians and Russians. 83.30.233.163 10:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think there is no neccesity to answer such a nationalistic POV. --Koppany (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you actually believe in the crap you are saying, or are you just an agent provocateur? Looking at the edits you made, all are in the "everyone who is not Romanian is evil" category. --131.188.3.20 (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal of war 

message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: I honestly believe that Wikipedia should avoid political clichés and should be as politically neutral as possible. In this article, it would be advisable to change "European patriotic movements" to "European insurgent movements". In the cause of the wars in which Bem participated, the population of the rebellious provinces was largely split, and not everyone there would agree to call those rebellions "patriotic". Hence the need for a less politically charged term.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.9.101.9 (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoid political clichés in favour of neutral language. 

message: Under the heading "In popular culture" the text mentions Józef Bem's descendants. However, as far as we know, he did not have any. A recently-published genealogical study of his immediate family http://www.genealodzy-kielce.pl/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Rodzina-gen-J-Bema.pdf, now cited on the Polish-language Wikipedia page https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Bem, demonstrates that - according to available documentation - none of the four Bem brothers left any legitimate offspring who survived into adulthood. Any claims to the contrary are likely to be family myths or based on the forged birth certificate of Józef's father, Andrzej, created by Włodzimierz Bem de Cosban https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82odzimierz_Bem_de_Cosban, publicly exposed in 1934 by Zygmunt Lasocki. 86.10.42.72 (talk) 15:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Józef Bem's supposed descendants