Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 14

message: There seems to be an inconsistency between the Playable Characters page and this one regarding weather Yoshi is in Brawl, with all of the evidence pointing toward it, a yoshi themed stage and the recent release of a yoshi's story song on the official site, it seems highly likely but I don't know which should be edited due to wiki's no speculation rule or how to edit the playable characters page. 69.140.230.2 19:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in mention of Yoshi, and given evidence to why he's believed to be in the game. However, I've not said whether he's in or not. I'd imagine that this would be allowed, but it'll probably get deleted anyway. <_< 141.156.14.34 23:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yoshi inconsistency

message: A lot of it was removed, it was fine the way it was. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 00:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to wait for actual confirmation of it before speculating if it's character specific or general. There's nothing else to write about it otherwise. TTN 01:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So the Nintendo World Trailer isn't it enough of a proof? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 01:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what happened to Items and Abilities section? 

message: Why is Sonic  in the inclusion  of characters section and yoshi is not? either we get rid of the sonic info or add a little Yoshi infoMarioman12 19:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that any inclusion of Sonic discussion is unencyclopedic.  It should not be in the article.  Just because there is legitimate information does not mean it should be in the encyclopedia.  --myselfalso 20:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoshi Vs. Sonic 

message: In order to determine true consensus, let's test the waters here.  
We have three options.  
Option 1: Merge with third party characters section (current; per Zojo comment above)   
Option 2: Keep as independent section (previous)
Option 3: Delete without merge (suggested by multiple users)
This poll will close 48 hours (2 days) from now.  --myselfalso 00:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean those few sentences there that cannot even form a elaborate paragraph? There not even properly sourced. FMF|contact 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The paragraph was edited down into its current form from the original version.  There's only one line in there that isn't properly sourced.  The rest is heavy with citations. --Bishop2 13:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: In regards to MOS, that one paragraph about a single character, not the game in general, deserves its own subsection because? FMF|contact 13:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's exactly because he's just a rumor that we're having this debate. I'll admit Sonic deserves a mention, but his own section is just pushing it. Besides, his section if full of stuff that barely contributes to his inclusion, if at all. The only real thing thats worth mentioning is the fact that bot Nintendo and Sega have shown interest in Sonic being in Super Smash Brothers Brawl. And that can just be included in the Character Inclusion section.Dengarde 14:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Read, this is about merging, not deletion. FMF|contact 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The article should be the possiblty  of sonic not just sonic there is just as many possiblties  sonic won't be in the gameMarioman12 16:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic inclusion poll 

message: ;Support
#Support per nom.  --myselfalso 00:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean those few sentences there that cannot even form a elaborate paragraph? There not even properly sourced. FMF|contact 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The paragraph was edited down into its current form from the original version.  There's only one line in there that isn't properly sourced.  The rest is heavy with citations. --Bishop2 13:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: In regards to MOS, that one paragraph about a single character, not the game in general, deserves its own subsection because? FMF|contact 13:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's exactly because he's just a rumor that we're having this debate. I'll admit Sonic deserves a mention, but his own section is just pushing it. Besides, his section if full of stuff that barely contributes to his inclusion, if at all. The only real thing thats worth mentioning is the fact that bot Nintendo and Sega have shown interest in Sonic being in Super Smash Brothers Brawl. And that can just be included in the Character Inclusion section.Dengarde 14:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Read, this is about merging, not deletion. FMF|contact 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Option 1 

message: ;Support
#Support per nom. --Unknownlight 00:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should be the possiblty  of sonic not just sonic there is just as many possiblties  sonic won't be in the gameMarioman12 16:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Option 2 

message: ;Support
;Oppose
;Comments
Sonic should not be completly removed, just put in the article in a more reasonable way. --Kenny2k 08:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Option 3 

message: I was just looking over the article today after I saw the daily update on the website (which was somewhat of a disappointment)and was very surprised. The article looked good!! Merging items and abilities w/ gameplay was a great idea, and everything also looked very nice and tidy. I'm glad we no longer have a separate section for Sonic but still have a nice amount of info on him in his merged section. I actually took the liberty to read the article over again, just to suck in the cleanliness of the article. And, well, I just want to let you guys know that I appreciate it. It was really quite aggravating, the messiness of the article. Just take in a nice deep breath and let know that you've done well. Give yourself a nice pat on the back why don't ya :D 68.195.110.145 20:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well done 

message: Nintendo Europe's SSBB site Click on the "MORE SPECS" button brings up the game specs, and it list's Sora Ltd. as Brawl's developer. Should we trust this as official information? ArchKnight47 20:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. The regional branches have been wrong before, but the mention seems pretty deliberate. If it is to be included somewhere in the article, it should probably be qualified with an "According to the Nintendo Europe page for the game," or something similar. I'm generally opposed to stuffing infoboxes, so I don't favor adding it there anyway. I'm just not looking forward to "I told you so" comments that miss the point of Wikipedia policies. Dancter 20:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Allot. Anubiz ♦ 16:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "The Studio" was said a while back ago.  (Zojo 16:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing changed since. Nothing more was said from the director.  FMF|contact 16:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't realize that the Nintendo Europe page was already discussed and rejected. My apologies. Dancter 16:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, now I understand the terse comments. Someone tried to change the infobox. Dancter 16:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The reason I was giving it a consideration was that this is coming from a branch of Nintendo. But it's probably best not to open that can of worms, and treat the information as unreliable, like a release date listing on Gamestop.com. An official comment or announcement is probably what's needed before we even think of mentioning anything. As for infobox listing, this isn't about making the most people happy (which is why disputes over "fancruft" are so common), but ensuring the best article. Infoboxes don't have room for describing the nature of the information, which is not certain. Dancter 16:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developer? 

message: Why the heck does it show the release date is 2008 for Europe? Proof? Or is it just some moron who thinks he can tell the future.......--Demonworks
That seems accurate if the U.S. version is coming out this fall, but it's most likely pure speculation. Dengarde 12:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe: 2008?