Talk:2006 Lebanon War/Archive 38

message: I really think these two paragraphs should be included since they illustrate the Hezi terrorists' strategy of using civilians as shields and later as trophies when the civilians are killed:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article695826.ece
""Take the Israeli killing of four UN soldiers last week, condemned by Kofi Annan as “deliberate”. On July 18 one of the doomed officers e-mailed home to say that Israeli ordnance was landing nearby and that, “this has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity”. A retired Canadian general interpreted this for Canadian television. “What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favourite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields, knowing that they can’t be punished for it.”
Reporters from Qana said that, the day after the Israeli attack, “there was little evidence of fighters”. But the Israelis have released footage claiming to show rockets being fired at Israel from within the village. Other aerial sequences clearly depict rocket launchers being fired from behind apartment blocks and launcher trucks being driven to hiding places in garages and under houses. It was this kind of action that prompted Jan Egelund, of the UN, to call upon Hezbollah to stop this “cowardly blending . . . among women and children”. He added: “I don’t think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men.” "" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.184.152 (talk) 12:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe most of this is already covered in this article, as well as the targeting of civilian areas sub-article (which goes into more depth on the "human shield" tactics). I'm not sure what "trophies" you're refering to, as I don't see that mentioned in your article, but you should also be aware the source you're citing is a commentary piece, not a news article. — George Saliba [talk] 12:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hezballah used civilians as shields and later as trophies, while continuing to murder Israelis. 

message: Okay guys, I've unlocked the article for editing, as it was locked for over a month.  I am going to be keeping my eye on it though.  Please remember to keep WP:NPOV in mind when editing, and rather than revert-warring, come here to the talk page to discuss.  --Cyde Weys 19:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlocked 

message: Amal and LCP are indicated in the infobox as combatant parties to this conflict, though the article does not mention them at all. Is there a source that says they took part in the hostilities? If so, why isn't this fact mentioned?--Doron 23:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If memory serves, some articles did mention them, though I don't know of any off the top of my head (I think they were relatively minor players). I agree that (a) they should be sourced, especially in the infobox, and (b) if they are significant, they should get a line or two in the article. — George Saliba [talk] 06:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  amal and the LCP were not really engaged in the war. as such it is very misleading to group them as a allied combatant with Hezbollah. Rm uk 07:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amal and LCP in infobox 

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There are 119 names, so it is 119 - not 120.
Flayer 18:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to discuss this a bit in the new Casualties section. Basically figures range from 116 to 120, with the IDF using either 117 or 119, depending if they decide to count two soldiers who died after the ceasefire (one in a post-ceasefire raid into Lebanon, the other who died when he stepped on a mine). If you can find a recent source that uses 119 (the 120 was added to the infobox since it is a newer source), then feel free to change this back to 119. — George Saliba [talk] 21:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a problem with this "recent source" policy. The mfa.gov.il is an official source, unlkie all the other sources that may appear as recent. So, we must notice that according to an official source it is 117/119 (pre-CF/post-CF), and according to whatever it is 120 or whatever. Flayer 18:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those lesser figures usually excluding a number of soldiers killed during the initial attack. Thats why it is like that. As far as I know, it is 119. --Shamir1 02:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. It is 119, that's why I hate the number 120. 89.0.152.119 10:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDF casualties 

message: I read an article today where Israel affirmed that it had been planning the conflict for over a year; this seems to be at odds with some earlier statements cited as fact in the article. I'm not sure of the veracity of said article nor do I have a link (googling that brought me here), but it's certainly something that if true would be worth adding, if anyone's up to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.86.83.196 (talk) 06:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstood the article. This is why I hate media; news reports tend to report things to make them juicer. The report stated that Israel planned the strategy not the war. And this strategy had nothing to do with Hezbollah, it was simply a strategy considered for battle. --Shamir1 02:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a lot of these stories seem to be sensationalist. Maybe they deserve a note in the article, but nothing major. Even if Israel had planned the war, specifically against Hezbollah, (1) I wouldn't blame them, cause I would do the same thing, and (2) Planning for possible events is not only wise, but common (war games, scenario planning, etc.). I'm sure the U.S. government, for instance, has all kinds of contingency scenarios laid out for attacks from Russia, attacks from China, terrorist attacks, hurricanes, droughts, earthquakes, etc. — George Saliba [talk] 03:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-planned? 

message: Check this out: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070319/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflict
Here's an excerpt.
JERUSALEM (AFP) - An Israeli ministerial commission on Monday decided to officially declare last year's conflict in Lebanon a "war," after the government had previously refused to use the term. 
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Israel's committee responsible for official ceremonies chaired by cabinet minister Yaacov Ederi "decided that the campaign in Lebanon will be explicitly called a war," a statement said.
:The link is now dead...
:What edits would you like to see made to the wikipedia article in light of this news? I m dude2002 15:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3-20-07: Israel officially declares conflict with Lebanon as a "war"