Talk:Masanobu Tsuji

message: This article lists Tsuji's name in the Japanese manner- family name first, which is against English Wikipedia's naming convention.  I'm going to move the article in accordance with the policy. Cla68 03:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with article name

message: His book was published in English in the UK by Spellmount Ltd 1997.  .
Earlier copyright 1993,1997 by Sarpendon Publishers, New York.
Title: 
The Mastermind behind
Japan's Greatest Victory, Britain's Worst Defeat
The Capture of Singapore 1942
Author: Colonel Masuanobu Tsuji
Edited by: H. V. Howe, Military Secretary to the Australian Minister for the Army 1940-46
Translated by: Margaret E. Lake
First published in Japan as: Shonan: The Hinge of Fate (1952)
First published in Austalia as: Singapore: The Japanese Version (1960)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.104.223 (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masanobu Tsuji 

message: Any objections to the removal of the unsourced statement "In 1961 he disappeared in the Plain of Jars, Laos"? 208.76.82.4 (talk) 05:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now removed  - 58.8.17.15 (talk) 03:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappearance - no source? 

message: What is it about this statement that needs a separate citation? Is it the claim that the battle was a Japanese defeat? --Yaush (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "After the defeat at Kalkin Gol, ..." 

message: I think the Max Hastings quote is pretty WP:UNDUE, as it is the only quote I can find that claims he burnt down a geisha house in order to challenge subordinates.
Frankly, this man has as much legend as Rasputin surrounding him, and unless something solid can come up to corroborate the quote, I think this should be removed. Solntsa90 (talk) 15:03, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The most reliable source I have found so far on his life, is the following: www.archives.gov/iwg/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-essays. Page 211 to 215 are specifically about him, and he is also mentioned in other sections of this report written by ~the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group. - Takeaway (talk) 15:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Old discussion, I realize, but: The comparison of Tsuji to Rasputin strikes me as spot-on in a surprising number of respects. Kent G. Budge (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max Hastings quote 

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message: From Meirion and Susie Harries, Soldiers of the Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Imperial Japanese Army" (ISBN 0-679-75303-6), p.341 et seq.:
"Another phenomenon subverting conventional army methods of making decisions was the notorous gekokujo, the peculiar brand of insubordination that had come to permeate the middle ranks of the Imperial Army in the 1930s. To impatient, immoderate, ambitious young officers, it often seemed that their seniors in the High Command were intellectually lazy, outmoded in their military thinking, and, more important, seriously compromised politically by their close relations with the despised civilian government. What they needed was firm, decisive direction from below.
"Gekokujo had been viewed by some as a positive trait6, a habit of helping one's superior to interpret and implement his orders from above by taking he initiative oneself. Staff officers and subordinate commanders routinely offered their own views, openly expressing doubts about their seniors' thinking. Generally speaking,staff officers were responsible for drafting orders; because of inertia, overwork, and even a curious desire to curry favor, it  became increasingly  common for commanders to approve these orders against their own instincts and experience. 
"This dependence on their juniors was damaging, because the young officers, for all their zeal, lacked experience and a broad grounding in politics, economics, or diplomacy. The quality of leadership inevitably suffered. The habit of acquiescence was dangerous, because it could be interpreted too widely; in the majority of the attempted coups of the militarist era, right up until the last desperate fling of August 14, 1945, the middle -ranking extremist leaders acted under the impression that they had the support of some of the highest officials in the army -- Ugaki, Araki, Yamashita, Korechika Anami.
"The career of Colonel Masanobu Tsuji offers an outstanding example of gekokujo and the harm it could do. Tsuji was an exceptionally intelligent staff officer with a flair ofr operational planning -- talent vitiated by megalomaniac ambition, violent prejudices, and ruthless disregard for human life....
"...But even allowing for exaggeration, for an officer of his rank he played a remarkably significant part in accelerating Japan's progress toward war, and his seniors' failure to nip his particular brand of gekokujo in the bud was especially disastrous."
Yes, gekokuko is just a word -- a Japanese word, not an English word, and as is very often the case, the word in one language does not translate into another without losing a lot of nuance. From this quote -- the first I could come across quickly in my library -- it seems the word has considerable nuance beyond "rebellion" and so Western scholars have used it untranslated to convey a concept that does not have a real English equivalent. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 03:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am Japanese. This is wrong. It is just nonsense. This sounds like one western academic came up with a lie or misunderstanding, and then others simply believed it.  R koiwai (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's a a misconception, it's one that's extremely widespread among Western historians of the Pacific War. If you can find a reliable source documenting this misconception, that would be a very interesting addition to this article. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 15:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gekokujo