Talk:Amelia Earhart/Archive 1

message: Is a flight from Honolulu to California truly a flight across the Pacific Ocean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moriori (talk • contribs) 08:22, 28 October 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what would you call that body of water separating them, which you have to cross to get from one to the other? - Montréalais
Seems to me the question was not about the name of the body of water, but about the use of the preposition "across".  Maybe a flight that is not "across" something (meaning spanning it from edge to edge) could still be "over" it if it traverses some part of it.  Is this helpful?  JackofOz 05:24, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial text

message: Is it too speculative to mention, had she N changed direction, but flown out of HI as planned, by making the longest, most difficult leg first, rather than last, she'd have made it?  Trekphiler 17:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pure speculation. I've heard it, though. Don't know how helpful it would be to include it. Wyss 09:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My reasoning is, based on Goerner, fatige played a part in the loss. From his description of her state at Lae, she was exhausted, far from sharp; no surprise, considering the conditions & how far they'd flown. If she'd started with the hardest leg, fatige wouldn't have entered the picture.  Trekphiler 10:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Success?

message: This was the content of a newly created page entitled Amelia Earhart Life Summary:
Amelia Earhart was born in Atchison, Kansas on July 24, 1897. When she was born, Amelia didn’t really like airplanes all that much, but all that changed when she saw an air show. Amelia Earhart got her first plane ride from a pilot named Frank; she then wanted to fly more and more. Amelia got her flying license in 1921 after taking lessons from Neta Snook. Amelia’s first plane was a Kinner Airstar, which she used to cross the Atlantic Ocean. In 1932 she sold her plane and worked in the government for the next four years. She then bought another plane known as an Avro Avian. She used this plane to cross the country and break a world record for the first women to ever fly alone across the nation. Later on in her life, she married a fellow named G.P. Putnam.
own name. After their marriage, G.P. and Amelia started to plan stunts and to break more flying records because they were both pilots. Then, in 1932, Amelia flew alone across the Atlantic in a Lockheed Vega to break another a record. That made Amelia famous. That same year, she received the Distinguished Flying Cross by the US Congress. Then, four years later, Amelia Earhart was given a Lockheed 10E Electra courtesy of Perdue University; She used this plane to attempt to fly around the world along the equator. Unfortunately, Amelia’s first attempt to fly around the world was shattered after the wheel was broken on her plane and was to be repaired. Her next attempt ended in disaster when the radio contact was lost between the plane and the tower. The plane seemed to disappear out of thin air because no wreckage of their plane was ever discovered. Amelia’s hard work and effort towards flight inspired females to be pilots too. That opened up a whole new generation of flight.
<KF> 23:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This contains various contridictions to what's in the article, and as it has no sources to back it up, should be regarded as inaccurate.  I've redir the article, and we can just ignore the text above. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, for one thing, there was no "tower" on Howland island. The above contains many conflations and inaccuracies. Uhm, in fact, about everything it says has some sort of factual problem. Wyss 08:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Kio34]]'s addition 

message: Should she be in :Category:1937 deaths? Although 1937 is the most likely year of her death, it’s not absolute fact and perhaps :Category:Year of death missing would be more appropriate. Philip Stevens 07:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is fleeting, documented archaeological and British archival evidence (put no proof) she may have survived on Nikumaroro until sometime in 1938. The likelihood is overwhelming that she did die in either 1937 (most likely) or 1938 (a possibility). Although this is still controversial among aviation historians, many believe that a skeleton found on the island in October 1940 was hers (which was also the opinion of the British colonial officer who first saw it). Wyss 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1937 is the widely accepted year of her death. The 50th anniversary was held in 1987, etc. 23skidoo 16:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, 1937 is supported by most reputable sources and is most likely the year she died. Wyss 16:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind you, there are probably a few conspiracy theorists who'd be happy to add her to the infamous Living People category! ;-) 23skidoo 16:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Truth be told, if not for them I wouldn't mind putting her in :Category:Year of death missing but with all the unsupported fringe babbling and urban legends floating about it would be far too misleading. She was most likely gone by the end of 1937 and there is, in effect, zero evidence to indicate she made it past sometime in 1938. Wyss 16:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Category 

message: Anybody else get the impression some teacher out there gave their class an assignment on Amelia Earhart, and they've all come here one by one to vent their annoyance? --Calair 21:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: In this sentence: "She sent the girls to private schools using money from a trust fund set up by her grandfather Alfred.", "she" refers to Amy, Amelia's mother.  Yet Amelia's grandfather was also named Alfred.  Are these the same Alfred?  If so, the sentence should read something like "She sent the girls to private schools using money from a trust fund set up by the children's grandfather Alfred.".  --Riordanmr 00:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whose Grandfather?

message: At the end of the section on her world flight is the comment, "To this day, US government documents concerning Earhart and her disappearance remain classified."  Is there any documentation to back this up?  The web page http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/AEmyths.html calls this a myth and cites the FoIA request number 9105146 as finding no evidence of any classified files in 1991.
--12.47.49.97 02:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Classified?

message: Hi. There seems to be a bit of incongruency as to weather AE was the first, 16th or the 22nd woman to receive an FAI pilot license. The text here says she was 22nd, but the official AE site says she was the first, according to Answers.com, 16th, and so does this page. Can anybody clarify, perhaps with a trustworthy quote? --Erwinwessels 06:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As ameliaearhart.com is run by her family, we should look elsewhere for confirmation of the claim. The answers.com article is mirroring an earlier version of the Wikipedia article. The statement that she was the 16th woman to receive a pilot's license was changed in Wikipedia on May 30 without any comment by an anonymous IP with no other edits. I'm changing it back and using the u-s-history.com web page as the source. -- Donald Albury 12:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Strange how things like these slowly disappear into the mysts of time. I might see if I can drop somebody at the FAI a line to see if they are willing and able to clarify. -- Erwinwessels 09:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any reply you receive from them would be OR, and not usable as a source. If they can point you to a reliable published source listing the early licensees, that would be wonderful. -- Donald Albury 12:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I did receive a response: According to NAA's book on our history, Amelia Earhart was the first woman and the 17th pilot to receive an NAA's pilot license (this happened in 1923). NAA issued pilot licenses until the government took over in the 1920's. I'll see if I can find a verifiable, preferably print source that we can quote. --Erwin Wessels 18:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I did find what appears to be the book the lady referred to, but can't find a copy in a library in Holland. If anybody would care to check in a US library, I'd be much obliged - the isbn is 1560981873 and at least the LoC seems to hold a copy. Thanks, --Erwin Wessels 18:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAI pilot license 

message: According to Lost Star by Patricia Lauber, on the world flight, Captain Harry Manning was originally AE's navigator, and couldn't accompany AE and Noonan after the flight had to be rescheduled because of the technical difficulties in Hawaii... Yet this article doesn't seem to mention him. PBuG
:There seems to be very little mentioned in the documents about him, only some photographs. (A photograph assumedly from the day of the first departure). As it looks like, Paul Manz was her navigator on that leg, and Manning possibly had helped plan the route and stayed behind, or he was the mysterious "passenger" due to leave in Honolulu (Quite likely actually, because there is also a picture of him viewing the wreck in Honolulu. (my personal conclusion)). Some sources say that Manz had doubts about Earhart's flying skills, and therefor didn't participate in the second attempt, but that is mainly speculation.
:By the way, why can't I see a date when the above question was entered? So I don't actually know if I'm way out of date with my answer... Islander(Scandinavia) 23:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further reading states quite clearly (In TIGHAR's investigations) That all four of them was on the flight to Honolulu, but Manz was the one to stay in Hawaii, and Manning planned to be on the plane to Australia. Islander(Scandinavia) 00:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Captain Harry Manning

message: ===Bottom of the Pacific===
Could the plane not have crashed into the sea? The Pacific Ocean is many miles deep and her body may be lying far down in the ocean. XPhile2868 15:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Myths and conspiracy theories

message: Could the plane not have crashed into the sea? The Pacific Ocean is many miles deep and her body may be lying far down in the ocean. XPhile2868 15:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bottom of the Pacific

message: Here are some comments regarding the theories of disappearance of Amelia Earhart
It is written in the article: "A photograph supposedly of Earhart during her captivity exists, though skeptics have pointed out that it looks like it was taken at the same time as other photos shot before her final flight"  - 
- yes, such a photographs exist... most frequently two of them are presented - with Earhart near the car and the "oriental" facebehind. Actually that photo was made in January 1935 just before the Earhart's flight from Hawaii to California, and that oriental person is not a "Japanese guard" as some conspiracy theorists suggested but just some airport worker. 
Identically, the photo of Earhart as if "made in Japanese captivity" - presented in the Randall Brink's book - was actually made after the failure (groundloop) of her first World Flight attempt in March 1937. 
--Actually, no, it wasn't. The photo was taken on Saipan and sent from Saipan. I have the original, along with the envelope.--Randallbrink (talk) 07:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also seen a '36 or '37 film of a female aviator hired by USG (USN?) to do a recce flight over Japanese terr in CPac, perhaps inspired by Earhart's project (& perhaps inspiring the myths since?).  Trekphiler 17:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why all this stuff is in an "Urban legends" section, it's thoroughly discredited codswallop. Wyss 09:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I have no idea who Alex Mandel is and I would hope he would sign his wikipedia submission, otherwise, it seems like a loopy entry.  Bzuk 23:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Bzuk, Thank you for your kind reply and attention. Sorry, alas i am really not very good in Web-design and these things about use of computer instruments for editing the webpage... just wanted to share the factual info on the topic i have.. so, sorry if my attempt to be helpful caused any inconvenience.
I will appreciate it if your would find a possibility to consider this information (about National Geographic movie, their expert, the Bolam theory etc.) and include it somehow into the article, as you said... just "for the benefit of the truth and factual correctness", nothing else.
Also, please note that the little chapter about the "paranormal" things disappeared at all from that section of fringe and paranormal theories.. i guess it can be just some casual technic mistake of somebody who also tried to edit the article?
Merry Christmas - kind regards, Alex Mandel, PhD
P.S. Bzuk, many thanks for your kind attention to the comments i proposed. Again, sorry for the "inconvenient form" in which i tried to do it first time, and for my ignorance in Web-design.
One more point about the "Legacy" section... I was excited to see that the Liberty-ship "Amelia Earhart" from 1942 is mentioned there. Here the web-link to my current "online project" about the NEW ship to be named for Amelia Earhart:  (removed as petitioncruft --Tony Sidaway 10:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please always sign your posts with four tildes (whether you're logged on or not) and please do not ever indent paragraphs (with either tabs or spaces), since this invokes other Wiki-specific formatting code which I'm sure you did not intend, thanks. Gwen Gale 09:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Glad to hear a scientifically plausible explaination for it has been documented :) Gwen Gale 08:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fringe theories etc

message: Though I wholly agree with the pith of it, I have removed the following because it appears to derive from original research conducted by the anon user ("Alex V. Mandel, PhD") who added it. Gwen Gale 09:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research removed

message: There was a line in the paranormal section of her disappearance.
The line went: "...or she was flying over the gulf of Mexico when she got stuck in the Bermuda Triangle."
I'm not trying to be pedantic or anything but it didn't really make sense sitting at the end of a sentence, so I deleted it...is that okay?
--Summoner Marc 06:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to hear a scientifically plausible explaination for it has been documented :) Gwen Gale 08:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Paranormal Disappearance

message: Substituted at 20:28, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment