Talk:Vibhajyavāda

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message: When i look at a Sanskrit dictionary & Pali dictionary and make a comparison on those word. i noticed that it have a slight different meaning. Vibhajjavada (Pali) Vibhajyavada (Sanskrit). Dictionary:
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/ 
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/ (Sanskrit, Tamil & Pahlavi)
218.208.24.235 01:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither word appears in either dictionary that I can see. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 20:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This argument from dictionary definitions is specious.  The Cologne Digital Dictionary is based on rather old sources, adequate for standard Sanskrit, but  which does not reflect Buddhist usages of Sanskrit.  For something a bit more up to date, look at Edgerton Dictionary of Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit, where vibhajyavada, vibhajya-vyakarana etc are listed.  In all cases, Edgerton glosses vibhajya as "analysis", "distinguishing" or "understanding in detail".  It is also clear from Sarvāstivādin sources that Vibhajyavāda is exactly the same thing as Vibhajjavāda.
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This page was created to give a description about the 1) Ancestor of Theravada 2) The Concept promoted by Theravada. Theravada use Pali as their religion language. Sanskrit word don't have a place here. When i look at a Sanskrit dictionary & Pali dictionary and make a comparison on those word. i noticed that it have a slight different meaning. Vibhajjavada (Pali) Vibhajyavada (Sanskrit). I will modified it and move it to another page.
Dictionary:
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/ 
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/ (Sanskrit, Tamil & Pahlavi) - 218.208.24.235 00:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure about this argument. The information that we have an Wikipedia so far says that there were other Vibhajyavada school, not only Theravada. For instance, Schools of Buddhism says that the Dharmaguptakas were also Vibhajyavadins. By English-language tradition, the default language for talking about Buddhism in general is Sanskrit (or BHS). "Vibhajyavada" and "Vibhajjavada" are roughly equal in Google hits, with a small advantage for Vibhajyavada. Charles Muller's Digital Dictionary of Buddhism also has it as "Vibhajyavada". Nevertheless, I'm going to leave the article where it is for the time being. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 20:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vibhajyavada/Vibhajjavada

message: Please do not remove material just because it does not comply with your POV. This amounts censorship.  Mention of the Sarvastivadin views is quite justified and informative for the general reader who might otherwise conclude that Vibhajjavada really was orthodox, while in fact, historically speaking, the majority of Buddhists in India would have deemed Vibhajjavada as heretical.  The aim of Wikipedia is to be NPOV.--Stephen Hodge 17:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: 1.   The idea that the Tambapanniyas did not have any doctrinal innovations is wrong.  See the account given by Bhavya and Vinitadeva of the relationship between the schools.  Also Lance Cousins paper, "On the Vibhajjavadins" (reference given above).
2.   Inclusion of the Sarvastivadin view of the Vibhajjavadins is quite legitimate.   Deletion of this passage without any discussion by a recent editor suggests suppression or censorship of inconvenient facts.--Stephen Hodge 01:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: The quote from the Pali Canon I added, suggests that the general direction of this article is a bit off. I only recognizes analysis. But it seems that true meaning of Vibhajjavada is more like discrimination: what is good, what is bad?Greetings, Sacca 04:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: From Pali Canon

message: "Discrimination" does not neccessary mean defining "what is good" or "what is bad", but it can go into a much broader sense of "defining", especially when it comes to Dhamma itself. Maybe it's the english translation which give this idea. 
If we go into the meaning of "Vibhajja" in Pāli, it means: "having divided or analysed." (English-Pali Dictionary, by A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera)
"Vibhajjavāda" in full means: The words of reasons or "the religion of reason" (English-Pali Dictionary, by A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera)
and interestingly...
vibhajjavādī means "one who accepts the Theravāda doctrine" (English-Pali Dictionary, by A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera)
Another source from Pali-text society's English-Pali Dictionary...
Vibhajja (adv.) [ger. of vibhajati] dividing, analysing, detailing; in detail (˚ -- ) D iii.229 (˚vyākaraṇīya pañha "discriminating reply" trsln); A ii.46 (˚vacana analysis). -- ˚vāda the Vibhajja doctrine, i. e. the doctrine which analyses, or the "religion of logic or reason"; a term identical with theravāda, the doctrine of the Elders, i. e. the original teaching of the Buddhist church. -- ˚vādin one who teaches the V. doctrine, Ep. of the Buddha Mhvs 5, 271; Tikp 366; VbhA 130; cp. Kvu trsln introd. p. 38.
Sorry for my POV... = ) I find this whole article quite alright.
Buddhosavaka (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On ''discrimination''