Talk:Emirate of Sicily

message: The successor state here should be the County of Sicily. We have articles on all three Counts:
*1071–1101 Roger I Bosso 
*1101–1105 Simon 
*1105–1130 Roger II
Unfortunately we have no article on the County yet. We move straight to the Kingdom of Sicily established in 1130. Anyone interested in feeling the gap? User:Dimadick
:Excellent point - I have the necessary references at home to be able to do it, so I might have a go in the next few days.  --πιππίνυ δ - (dica) 00:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: A POV dispute tag was added in December 2008.  What is the dispute so we can work it out?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommylotto (talk • contribs) 19:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: I added some new material to this section, but left the original material even though it has some internal inconsistencies and needs additional editing.  I personally think we should try to steer clear of the myth of religious harmony and coexistence.  It is true that the Muslims were not immediately extirpated, and they sometimes worked together, but we still had a master race and a subservient race.Tommylotto (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: Yet another POV tag was placed on the Conquered Population section.  What is the problem here?  The section is sited to Michele Amari's preeminent treatise on the history of Islam in Sicily.Tommylotto (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Dispute Tag 

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message: Leaving aside the edit-warring from a particular user or users trying to impose other problematic edits, one minor thing that can be addressed more straightforwardly I think is to remove the word "Moors" in the lead. While this is a historical exonym, it does not actually have a specific meaning and doesn't denote a well-defined group of people (as that main page itself explains), not to mention that some people consider it a demeaning term in one way or another. I'd suggest just saying "Muslims" instead of "Muslim Moors", as "Moors" isn't really necessary here anyways; if an ethnic description is required here or elsewhere, we can simply specify "Arabs and Berbers" (or whichever demographics are described in reliable sources). Normally I would be bold and just do it but since there's been edit-warring I wanted to check for consent here first. R Prazeres (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. Agricolae (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, agree too. The main sections of the article work well without this term, so there's no need to employ it in the lede. –Austronesier (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use a term other than "Moors" 

message: The Taifa period section, where I just did some reordering and rewriting, ends with the sentence, "After the conquest of Sicily, the Normans removed the local emir, Yusuf Ibn Abdallah from power, but did so by respecting Arab customs."  I think this needs expressed better but I really don't know what this means, how one removes an emir from power by respecting Arab custom, the link is dead, and it was just a web page anyhow. And it this the last Sicilian Emir, or on Malta, also mentioned in the prior sentence? Can anyone help? Agricolae (talk) 20:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I know less about Sicily, but I'd guess this was poorly phrased but presumably meant to say that Muslims were allowed to continue practicing their religion and customs for a while under Norman rule? (See some info and sources at Kingdom of Sicily#Religion.) There was also a continuation of relations with the Muslim world under the Normans, Arabic was still used as the language of administration for a few decades, and Islamic architectural features appeared in Norman architecture, but I'm not well-versed in the details. ("Arabic Administration in Norman Sicily: The Royal Diwan" (2002) by Jeremy Johns might have some useful information too.) R Prazeres (talk) 21:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taifa period 

message: Stop associating emirate of Sicily with other religious groups it's false you don't know the history of Sicily 174.247.64.220 (talk) 00:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop associating emirate of Sicily with other religious groups it's false 

message: :Emirate of Sicily →  – For two main reasons:
* I don't see any evidence that "Emirate of Sicily" is the WP:COMMONNAME here. Ngram suggests that something like "Muslim Sicily" is far more common. The article itself also makes little effort to explain this term and seems to use it only haphazardly.
* This article describes the entire period of Arab-Muslim rule in Sicily, and for a large part of that period its status was not an independent emirate, as the article itself indicates. In this context, the title "Emirate of Sicily" is unclear and awkward. "Muslim Sicily" (or equivalent) is simpler, more descriptive, and more neutral with regard to its changing political status.
** Note that we also have an article about the Kalbid dynasty, which should cover the period when the island was indeed de facto independent (after the mid-10th century) and when it can be more accurately described as an emirate (e.g. per EI2). R Prazeres (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 June 2024