Talk:Wasei-eigo

message: I'd never heard of "okushon"; that's clever! I also like the Ito real-estate developers' mansion name "Itopia" (as much as I dislike most other "pia" concoctions).
:Speaking of, thanks to whoever corrected the kanji for "oku". I checked it and I did get it wrong. This is odd because I'm usually good at noticing different radicals, and I had the correct kanji right in front of me... probably sleepiness taking its toll. - Furrykef 22:24, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Okushon

message: From my understanding, Wasei-eigo does not include words such as manshon, but rather words or phrases that were forged from two or more English words/morphemes, e.g. raibu hausu (from live + house, meaning outdoor concerts). --69.212.98.139 05:15, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Manshon is likely being borrowed from the english word (which possibly could be french in origin, but that's a different matter). I think Maison is another japanese word, namely mezon, if I interpret the japanese manga title "Mezon Ikkoku" correctly.
I was looking at this information posted and wanted to give my opinion on this, quite frankly, dead talk topic. Mansion is, by Google's judgment, British for "a large building divided into apartments". Manshon translates to a condominium or apartment complex. Therefore, the word mansion would not be correctly considered an incorrectly adopted term, but rather one that uses an alternate definition. Maybe perhaps I'm missing a larger point here, but to me, Japanese speakers adopted a British-English definition over a North American-English interpretation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nes370 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I think you are on the right track, yet this is not exactly true. "Mansion" is not a normal BrE term for a block of flats, but it is (in the terminological escalation so beloved of estate agents) a common name for blocks of flats, particularly in South London (as I recall). "Lobelia Mansions" etc. The plural suggests that each flat is to be regarded as a "mansion"; of course one of the problems in interpreting the Japanese term is that Japanese does not have grammatical number, and 'manshon' can apply freely to one individual residence or the entire block. The wikiproblem here is that this is (of course) "original research"; it is close to impossible to find "sources" to back up one derivation over another. Imaginatorium (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Words

message: What about walkman, sarariman, NHK, TPO?
: Walkman -- I don't know, that's a close call. It's also a trademark. Salaryman -- yes, definitely, but since the entire list of Wasei-eigo is potentially pretty long, maybe we shouldn't track all of them at wikipedia but instead at, maybe, wiktionary. NHK, TPO -- No, I don't think acronyms count. Either way, NHK = "Nippon Housou Kyoku," so there's nothing English about it. --69.214.227.51 06:41, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point is that "Walkman" is not used as a generic Japanese term, so it is not in the same category. (Otherwise countless product names could be claimed to be wasei-eigo.) So I removed it. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:04, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree. The reference states that the two words are synonyms; there is nothing about derivations. I will remove the sentence.--Slowlikemolasses (talk) 03:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing words 

message: This article is a definition of a word, and it's history. Shouldn't this be in the dictionary, or am I missing something? Barryvalder 13:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary? 

message: no consensus
Wasei-eigo is just the Japanese word for Pseudo-Anglicism. These formations are common in many different languages, so 'wasei-eigo' is better understood in a wider context. Ironfrost 03:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to [[Pseudo-Anglicism]]? 

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 07:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-02-10 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: Japlish has far more general connotations, and tends to refer to any use of English in a Japanese context; not just wasei-eigo, but also what is termed Engrish (a term I loathe), which is Japanese mistranslations into English, or English phrases used by Japanese people for artistic, fashionable, or vernacular reasons ("digital dream kids", "Obscure Desire of Bourgeoisie", "Crocodile Profusion") Serendipodous 08:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't think Japlish should redirect here

message: Several of these definitions make no sense whatsoever. If anybody can figure out what these things mean, please clarify them. Tad Lincoln (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: I just finished having a heated discussion with a native Japanese speaker who argued with all his might that "wasei eigo" is NOT Japanese, because it is written in katakana, as is gairaigo. In his mind, "wasei eigo" falls under the category of "gairaigo," words that are not Japanese in origin, and I am tempted to agree with him, except for the fact that "wasei eigo" is virtually unintelligible to a native English speaker. True, loan words which retain their original meaning may not sound exactly the same to a native English speaker when filtered through katakana, but "wasei eigo" is English made by, and used by, only Japanese speakers, and will not make sense, even when spoken in their correct native pronunciation, to native English speakers. (For example, if an English speaker whose native tongue was Japanese were to say "Mark is a paper driver, even though he has my car," the meaning of "paper driver" and "my car" would be lost on a native English speaker, even with the best pronunciation.) At the end of the discussion, the person with whom I was arguing still had trouble with the concept that "wasei-eigo" is a uniquely Japanese thing, that even though, yes, the words were borrowed, it is essentially Japanese. If not Japanese, what is "wasei eigo?" Are they linguistic orphans that no one wants to adopt? My view is that "wasei eigo" is Japanese. It may be in katakana, but as they are words that were created by and for Japanese native speakers, and they make little to no sense to a native English speaker, they are now, for all intents and purposes, Japanese. Has a consensus on this matter been reached somewhere that I don't know about? I could be wrong, but I see no mention of this in the article.Solar3939 (talk) 02:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Your friend is simply wrong: if a bunch of people speaking a language are using words in that language, then those words are words of that language, obviously. Of course, if he means "origin English" then he is at least partly right, but all words change when borrowed into other languages. I think the opening paragraph covers this fairly well, though the article as a whole is terrible. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Is "wasei eigo" Japanese, or is it English?

message: One British definition of the word mansion is "a block of flats", the definition of the word condominium is "a building or complex of buildings containing a number of individually owned apartments or houses"; in other words, "a block of flats". It therefore is not a misappropriation of the term, just a now lesser known appropriation. FourTildes (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: mansion example

message: This section seems particularly confusing. Who is doing the confusing? Is this Japanese speakers who think that any word in katakana is necessarily "English"? Or is it English speakers who don't speak Japanese, and can't remember the Japanese words very well? How would who be confused by these "morphological transformations"? The sentence referring to L Andrew Miller is a good description, but has nothing to do with the supposed "confusion" of this section. What a mess. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion with ''gairaigo''