Talk:Grue (monster)

message: I'm removing the incorrect earliest use/etymology in this reference: "Probable first occurrence in print of the term grue denoting a living creature would have been this quote in this initial serialization of this story/chapter, "Cil", in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction in 1965, although the phrase "It gave me the grues" (i.e., a feeling of fearful revulsion, short for "gruesome") occurs in the 1934 murder mystery The Nine Tailors by Dorothy L. Sayers."
The Oxford English Dictionary has grue "intr. To feel terror or horror, shudder, tremble; quake; to shrink from something; to be troubled in heart" cited much earlier than 1934, including this definition in 1595:
"1595   A. Duncan Appendix Etymologiae: Index in Latinae Grammaticae,   Horror, gruwing, or feare."
I'm not clear on the serialization reference -- Cil is from the same Jack Vance universe, so this may be an initial serialization, but there is not a good reference to check. Note that in Google books, at least, the novel(?) title is given as "Cugel the Clever: (previously titled The Eyes of the Overworld)". 
As far as the serialization, here is the bibliography info for the magazine, Fantasy & Science Fiction -- http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/bibliography/fsfserieswho17.htm :
        Vance, Jack
         Overworld, The 	1965 DEC 	nv 	1st story of 5 in Cugel the Clever series
  	Mountains of Magnatz, The 	1966 FEB 	nv 	2nd story of 5 in Cugel the Clever series
  	Sorcerer Pharesm, The 	1966 APR 	nv 	3rd story of 5 in Cugel the Clever series
  	Pilgrims, The 	1966 JUN 	nv 	4th story of 5 in Cugel the Clever series
  	Manse of Iucounu, The 	1966 JUL 	nv 	5th & last story in Cugel the Clever series; N-1966 NEB; this series coll. in The Eyes of the Overworld(1966 fixup), is the 2nd novel in his Dying Earth sequence
  	Seventeen Virgins, The 	1974 OCT 	nv 	6th & last story in Cugel the Clever series; this story, with 11 original stories & one pub. in Lin Carter(ed): Flashing Swords! #4(1977), coll. in Cugel's Saga(1983)
  	Faceless Man, The 	1971 FEB-MAR 	no 	1st story in his planet Durdane, or Gastel Etzwane series, a trilogy
  	Brave Free Men, The 	1972 JUL-AUG 	no 	2nd story in his planet Durdane, Gastel Etzwane series, a trilogy
  	Asutra, The 	1973 MAY 	no 	3rd story in his planet Durdane, or Gastel Etzwane series, the last novel in a trilogy
Skandha101 • 20:42, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing confusing and incorrect citation sentence 

message: To someone who has absolutely no idea where the term "grue" came from and first reads this article, the "typical (rather circular) exchange" lacks context.  Is that a typical exchange in the game?  A typical exchange among hackers joking around?  A quote from an online joke or comic perhaps?  For that matter, I know full well what a grue is and I'm not quite sure. Jdavidb 15:44, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typical exchange? 

message: Much of this article appears copied from the Zork games. Marnanel 00:05, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: *Megatokyo strip 201: "Help! A grue is munching on my toes!" --Jsnow 05:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to Grue 

message: I have an image of a grue from a Zork Zero graphics file.  I'm going to upload it.  If anyone objects, I would be willing to take it down.  --66.91.90.248 02:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate grue image 

message: Should NetHack be written consistently as such, instead of Nethack as in the UserFriendly reference? (unsigned)
Answer: To indicate an erroneous (or erroneous-looking) word or phrase in a quote, include the adverb "sic" in brackets after the reference, as, "Nethack [sic]". In this way you will not be misunderstood as incorrectly quoting, nor will it appear that you do not know the spelling. (Carpentis (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NetHack 

message: "Great Underground Empire" is spelt "GUE".  The calendar in Zork Zero starts at 0 GUE, presumably when the underground empire was built.  The resemblance to "Grue" is a coincidence, I think. Alex Dodge 04:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think it's a coincidence.  Part of the lore of grues is that nobody who has ever seen one has actually lived to tell anyone else what it looked like.  The game of Zork itself was subtitled The Great Underground Empire, so presumably the idea was that playing the game in real life caused one to get sucked into spending all of one's time on the computer, never to be heard from again.73.154.104.67 (talk) 04:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  GUE 

message: in the game "zork: the undiscovered underground" you will be the first human to see a grue, and there is a little description how he is looking. maybe this is usefull to complete the article, so if somebody trys it out...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.235.119.226 (talk • contribs).
Actually, that statement is incorrect. Undiscovered Underground incorrectly states that the character is the first person to see a grue. The statement is incorrect because you also get to see a grue in Wishbringer, and probably even Sorcerer and Spellbreaker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.135.5 (talk • contribs).
:Yes, you get some description in Sorcerer if you type FROTZ GRUE. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: (Also in Sorcerer's Grue Lair and Spellbreaker's Grue Cave.) Double sharp (talk) 09:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  description of grue 

message: Reminds me of the blob-like critters in Half-Life that live those dark underground tunnels. Need infra-red gizmo to see them properly, IIRC. Bastie 19:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Voltigores. They swarm in the Opposing Force sewers and have excellent night vision, unlike the player. Bastie 03:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Voltigores

message: I am going to pull the cite tag unless there is serious objection. There is no doubt that "grue" is notable enough since it is as well known in computer and gaming culture as 3 strikes in baseball. It is also unlikely that grue is going to show up in any peer reviewed journal. This tagging of decent articles really needs to be tempered with a bit of reason.  Keith Henson (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite tag 

message: The alternative is to put this really decent article up for deletion. I am inclined to do that since it would have a welcome home at Wikia. Comments?  Keith Henson (talk) 05:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says that it can't be used in both? This is the Internet. If you have a banana, and I copy myself your banana, we have a banana each. You said that reason is necessary for making the decision, which it is, and that reason speaks for this article, so let us leave it be. --Kizor 18:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, as I said (in not so many words) in my succesful request for adminship, guidelines are just that - means to an end, and means that say in big letters right on top that they can give incorrect results and should be ignored when there's good reason to do so. Trying to make all-inclusive, no-thought-required legislation beyond the core principles in a place this chaotic would be madness. --Kizor 19:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: I deleted the cite tag as above. If there is a cite for Grue in the academic literature it hasn't been found in 6 months. This is one of the article that Wikipedia will have to live with primary sources or delete it, which would be a shame.  Keith Henson 13:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the documentary which features the song It Is Pitch Dark is starting to be imminent. --Kizor 22:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh look. We definitely have enough stuff for an article now - not that we shouldn't have had an article before - so all we have to do now is to wait for me to recoherentize and clear my backlog, or have someone else integrate them. --Kizor 16:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite tag since June

message: If nothing else, it's the only item in the popular culture references that's actually frigging cited. —chaos5023 (talk) 14:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the xkcd hate? 

message: the main page supplies no picture which is why i see it as just a tad unreliable, got here by the eternal darkness sanitys requim game wiki (it doesnt list any guns or items you find just monsters and stuff, meaning you have to see recent activity like every other gaming wiki) i think if info. is to be supplied someone should ALWAYS be willing to take screenshots with f12 of any kind or right clicking and hitting "save picture as"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.20.242.10 (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  main page supplies no picture 

message: The ends of this article are too far apart. --No qwach macken (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Better now, but still very unstructured. --No qwach macken (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: The etymology listed here seems completely disconnected from the meaning. Unless there is some confirmation from the person who coined the word, I would recommend removing this guess. In its place, I recommend an etymology relating to the English word grue, perhaps as a back-formation of gruesome. -- AudiblySilenced (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I'm very dubious about calling it that. Is there any reference showing that the blorple locations are their own magical planes? (Isn't the only time other planes get mentioned in the guncho spell?) Besides the Packed Earth and Water Room areas are connected, so are all the cube rooms really leading to separate planes? (Whether the cube rooms are in different planes is another matter altogether.) Double sharp (talk) 08:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spellbreaker - magical plane of darkness? 

message: The fist line of text presented in Zork I is --
ZORK I: The Great Underground Empire</I>
Anyone ever notice GRUE can be an acronym for GReat Underground Empire?
This can't possibly be a coincidence and I'm surprised this isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article.69.65.91.78 (talk) 12:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grue ??? 

message: This article should have a picture of a grue.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.65.91.78 (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, strange to be missing this way. Maybe a grue came and ate the picture!? :) Naki (talk) 22:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture....................???????????????? 

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message: I think we need one. - Scarpy (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps fair use could be claimed for the picture in the Sorcerer infotater. The alternative of using the picture of a grue "in its natural habitat" (a blank black square) seems a bit too silly. ;) Double sharp (talk) 06:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Agreed, this is needed.Naki (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is there not an artist rendering here?