Talk:Carolina Panthers

message: Need to disambiguate John Fox.  There's an article about a British statistician called John Fox!
*I added the link to Coach John Fox Opuspup722 18:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I love you! 24.162.236.171 05:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Fox 

message: National Football League is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested in contributing.--Fenice 20:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement drive

message: Should the recent 2006 draft picks be added to this page in some way? Opuspup722 05:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 06 Draft

message: I do recall that the logo is supposed to be shaped (tilted counterclockwise a little bit) like the outline of North/South Carolina together.   Here's at least one reference other than Wiki that says this:  .   I'll go look through one of Fowler's books on the Panthers to see if there's a reference there.  SpikeJones 14:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Im also curious. does anybody have any references on the matter?8panther2pride8 (talk) 16:14, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick Question, how great of a source does it have to be. I see numerous sites stating its the outline, but none look too official.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8panther2pride8 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: I added the years into the headings as I felt it helped categorize each of those sections easier for a non-fan or casual WK reader to understand.  The sections are already broken out into a year-by-year recap, but the casual observer wouldn't recognize that unless they bothered to read the associated section and noticed that it was talking about a specific year.   Further, by having a title of "Cardiac Cats are Super Bowl Bound" implies that they are currently SB bound (present tense) OR were SB bound in every season, when in fact that section deals with just one specific previous season.  Same thing with "Injury bug" -- is this a bug that the Panthers have had throughout their existence, or was it an issue that existed for just one season? Adding the years helps clarify. SpikeJones 13:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  commentary on years in headings 

message: This section was written by a Panthers' fan (not myself) and is GROSSLY opinionated. It should be re-written, pronto. I'd do it myself, if I had some assistance from a "football expert". Thanks! Keekee 05:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly lacks NPOV and is not encylopedic.  I suggest gonging the whole section as unnecessary.SpikeJones 22:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the 2006 section of the page. It was my first article I wrote, so that might be the reason. And, yes I am a Panthers' fan, but I did go through my article and take out a few opinions that I put. Sorry again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NCBoi24 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I still say the entire "2006 season" section that was added is unencyclopedic; is there a need for a slightly biased play-by-play account of each game in this specific article? SpikeJones 15:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '06 Season Section

message: I changed the titles of the historic periods from tacky POV to coaching eras. None of the content was changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.77.222.38 (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eras 

message: I noticed that although the wiki desecribes the uniforms, their are no pictures or photos of the actual jersheys. Perhaps someone should find a picture for it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.142.193 (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniforms

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message: CarolinaPanthersBlog.org ranks #2 for carolina panthers blog in Google, and it's focus is to provide the latest news on the Carolina Panthers with it's readers. We also do analysis of games and position breakdowns. We realize there is no SEO benefit in this, yet we feel that our website deserves to be on the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themanbeast9 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SPAM. Wikipedia is not a link repository, and is not intended for advertising or promotion, especially for websites of which you are personally affiliated. Pats1 T/C 00:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of CarolinaPanthersBlog.com in external links. 

message: I think the article overplays the Dallas/Carolina rivalry (albeit, there is a history of high-profile postseason games between the two), and downplays the Tampa Bay/Carolina rivalry. Carolina and Tampa Bay have had some extremely physical, close games through the years and games which are notable in their own right, such as Carolina blocking three kick attempts including what would have been a game-winning PAT by Martin Grammatica). Rpine75 (talk) 04:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivalries 

message: Does anyone know why the Jags got the first pick in the 1995 NFL Expansion Draft as well as getting to pick ahead of the Carolina Panthers in the 1995 NFL Draft? Doesn't seem very fair.--2008Olympian chitchatseemywork 04:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Panthers were "created" first and Jerry Richardson was given the choice of the first pick in the NFL draft or expansion draft he took the first pick in the draft- when the Jags were created they were given the first pick in the expansion draft. I cannot recall WHAT book I read it had the story in but If I find it I'll let you know. I think it was Bill Rosinski's book "Tales from the Carolina Panthers" (http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=9781596701786)
-But I'm not 100% sure. --David.snipes (talk) 16:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[1995 NFL Draft]]

message: Whoever wrote that knows nothing about last year. It says that Jake failed to win the game against Atlanta early in the year, when in fact, the panthers won the game. Also, "Unfortunately for the Panthers, Carr suffered the first major injury of his career," is not right. Anyone one who has watched any game with Carr starting for Carolina would know that fans were glad when he was out of the game. Plus, the whole section is written in such a way that it is nearly impossible to follow. Needs to be re-written.66.194.118.10 (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  07 Season Section 

message: Added Williams and Stewart official page and Carolina Panthers forum Custovic (talk) 07:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: It's called the Hall of Honor on the Carolina web page, not the ring of honor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.224.61 (talk) 20:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Honor 

message: Someone tampered with the 2010 season section, claiming the Panthers had left the NFL to play in NCAA Division I football.  I've removed this, but the section could use expanding by someone who has kept up with the team's results this season.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.207.19 (talk) 12:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 season 

message: State of NC has two legal statuses...laid off and fired...and he wasn't laid off. Ref has been provided. He performed lousy and was "cut" i.e. "fired".⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll repeat what I just posted on your talk page: "Contract not renewed" and "fired" are not the same thing. "Contract not renewed" is technically accurate, but I'm not interested in an edit war. JTRH (talk) 01:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Me neither, that's why we open discussion here. Leaving the ref for the time being allows others to see it before commenting. "Contract not renewed" is a euphemism or nice way of saying your fired. Let's face it, he was fired for the poor performance. I understand what you're trying to say but respectfully disagree (with source). No need for edit warring because others can join in the discussion.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Legally, it's different. If he got "fired" as Capers and Seifert did, in the middle of his contract, the team would owe him money. Not re-hiring him (which is the effect of not renewing the contract upon its expiration) doesn't obligate them to pay him anything. But, yeah, the effect is the same: he's no longer the coach, because the team had a horrible year. JTRH (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I apologize for wiping out the reference in my last revert. JTRH (talk) 01:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. :) You bring up a good point (perspective). I was thinking along the legal lines of Termination by mutual agreement. Had he been doing well, they would likely have kept him. Conversely, because he wasn't doing well (poor job performance) the Panthers refused to renew. It was one-sided and wasn't up to Fox. That said, I'm open-minded about it. If you're willing, let's see if others would like to chime in on it over a day or two for more input. No rush.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 02:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel that strongly about it, but I'm interested in others' perspectives. And thanks for your understanding and cooperation. :) JTRH (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I would say he wasn't fired for performance at all; he was 'fired' because he didn't want to or try to fit in with the youth movement. And saying he was 'fired' is sketchy, since his contract was simply not renewed. Toa Nidhiki05 02:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

text: At the time you wrote this, it didn't say that Fox was fired as it had already been changed. I've just cleaned it up a bit as a contract not renewed situation per the consensus here.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. Thanks for your efforts on this. JTRH (talk) 17:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responding to the discussion, it reads better now.  Samwised (talk) 17:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fox fired 

message: As a note, I have changed 'American football' to 'football'. Upon examining many featured articles on English soccer clubs (Manchester United F.C., Arsenal F.C., Chelsea F.C., Ipwitch Town F.C., Leek Town F.C., Liverpool F.C.), I discovered most, if not all of them, use the term 'football', because 'football' in England unequivocally means Association football, which we Americans call 'soccer'. Due to this, I think it is acceptable for this article to use the term 'football', because 'football' in the US unequivocally means 'American football'. Toa Nidhiki05 15:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing 'American football' to 'football' 

message: This article was recently promoted to FA status. I have no objections to promotion myself, nor do I believe that Maralia does. However, it seems that Maralia has identified some minor issues that should be addressed at some point. Unfortunately, I can't figure out what they are from reading the FAC review page. Having spent a considerable amount of time reviewing the FAC myself, I would like to make the article the best that I possibly can. Any suggestions as to what could be improved further would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! AmericanLemming (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, wiki formatting with strikeout and collapsed sections really doesn't lend itself to those types of discussions! There's just one minor point remaining: the placement of the hide/show link in the collapsible tables is super weird to me—hide/show is always on the right. Additionally, it's probably an accessibility issue to have the collapse link in a column rather than the table heading. I told Toa that I'd look into it, but haven't gotten around to it yet; I'll do it sooner or later if one of you doesn't beat me to it. Thanks. Maralia (talk) 23:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What, if any, post-FA promotion fixes are needed? 

message: Should we update the all-time record every week, or should we wait until the end of the season? AmericanLemming (talk) 01:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to update it after the season when records are officially updated. Doing otherwise is basically OR - we are adding up ourselves. Toa Nidhiki05 02:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating all-time record in real time? 

message: An IP address editor recently removed the win-loss tables from the article. As the editor who both requested that such tables be added to the article and who spent many hours creating those tables in my sandbox, I guess I would like to see them come back. However, I do have to admit that, as the IP editor's edit summary stated, the tables do clutter the article somewhat. 
As such, I have two questions:
1. Should those tables be in the article at all?
:My original argument for the tables to be included was that the average reader who is not particularly informed about the Carolina Panthers (that is, someone like me) would be confused by History section, with all of its many seasons. A win-loss table would hopefully enable readers like me to keep all of the seasons straight.
2. If so, where should they go? Even if they belong in the article, putting them back where they were before isn't necessarily the best place for them.
Rather than reverting the IP editor's edit, I thought it would be more constructive to seek the opinion of other editors on the talk page (which will hopefully include a response from the IP editor as well). AmericanLemming (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the two tables can belong in the article. Yes it adds a bit of clutter, but it also adds some texture to a very long, imageless section. If they aren't re-added, there needs to be images added to the section to make it more interesting. In my opinion they should be put back, but win-loss totals should not be updated until after the season is over. Toa Nidhiki05 22:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with not updating the win-loss totals until the end of the season. I think we should either wait a day or two before adding the tables back in (thus giving the IP editor a chance to respond here) or add it back immediately and leave an invitation for them to discuss the matter on the talk page in the edit summary. AmericanLemming (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine either way... I'd prefer to wait a day or two just to see if anyone else besides the IP and us has input as well. Toa Nidhiki05 23:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Win-loss tables 

message: The page summary on the right says "Carolina Pansies" and not Panthers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.71.23 (talk) 19:30, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carolina Pansies 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 November 7#File:NFCS-Uniform-CAR2.PNG.  Marchjuly (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: I think that the Panthers were founded in 1995.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.78.220 (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: All of the information has been kept up to date and checked frequently, but one possible thing missing that could maybe be added would be a section about the panthers grassroots tailgate section, the "Roaring Riot". (Jonesdh123 (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roaring Riot Section  

message: Change Personnel>President>Vacant to Personnel>President>Tom Glick
Tom Glick has been named as the Team President as of August 24, 2018.
https://www.panthers.com/news/tom-glick-named-panthers-team-president 69.132.51.158 (talk) 14:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thank you. --Bongwarrior (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2018 

message: {Under Seahawks-Panthers Rivalry}
"On Sunday, November 25, 2018, the Panthers were defeated by the Seahawks at home by a score of 30-27." 66.108.136.189 (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: - Plus some general updating to that section to account for the result. A2soup (talk) 09:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2018 

message: I'm hoping someone can answer my question because I really have no answer to it. Is there a reason why the infobox colors of the team and it's players and coaches was changed from a black background with a blue outline to a blue background with a silver outline? It looks nearly identical to the Detroit Lions infobox colors and doesn't reflect what the predominant colors of the team are, which is black and blue. It seems like it is an unnecessary change and reverting it to what it was would make more sense. I'm not knowledgeable enough to do that, so in addition to asking why it was changed, I'm also asking if someone who is more knowledgeable could change it back (only if it is deemed appropriate to change, if someone explains why it should remain otherwise, then this part of the question is irrelevant.) Thanks in advance. Mannytool (talk) 02:38, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox color question