Talk:Pronunciation of Ancient Greek in teaching

message: This article makes no mention of the fact that the so-called reconstructed pronunciation of ancient Greek has been disputed by advocates of the historical Greek pronunciation since the time that Greece became and independent state. The so-called reconstructed pronunciation of Latin is also the subject of dispute because like the reconstructed pronunciation of Greek it is an ethnocentric theory (centred on the modern pronunciation Germanic launguages such as English) invented by mainly English academics which totally ignores the pronunciation of Greek and Latin as spoken by native born speakers (eg. native Greeks and Italians and the tradition of the Church). 
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ancient_Greek_phonology --Thrax 19:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Macrakis -- Andreas 14:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: The short section here on Renaissance scholarship is much better than the corresponding bits we currently have over at "Ancient Greek phonology" (or whatever that page's current title is at the moment ;-), especially the mentioning of scholars before Erasmus. On the other hand, that page now contains the detailed summary of Erasmus. I'm tempted to merge some of this material in some way so that it goes together in either the one or the other article (not talking about merging the whole articles, of course). What do you guys think? -- By the way, it might be good to have source references for those scholars. Who's got any? Lukas 16:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Renaissance scholarship 

message: The following is original research and should not put into Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:No original research. 
:Since long-element  diphthongs are rarer, the author of these lines does not know whether there is a standard pronunciation in French schools. I have not been able to find any reference on this topic (all French language Greek methods or grammars that I have looked up seem to ignore such diphthongs), and as far as I can remember, I was never taught a way to pronounce ,  or  during my school years, and had to invent my own. However, due to disregard of vowel length, diphthong  is often confused with similarly written diphthong  and pronounced []/[]; similarly, the author of these lines has heard many persons pronouncing  like , i.e. as []/[].
 Andreas  (T) 15:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are probably right; while I still think that my memories are relevant, I understand that Wikipedia policies prevent including them. Still the proposition "I have not been able to find any reference on this topic (all French language Greek methods or grammars that I have looked up seem to ignore such diphthongs)" is NOT personal research, I have indeed looked up several common methods and grammar that present traditional French Ancient Greek pronunciation; I am rephrasing this part right now. 145.242.1.212 10:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: "The author of these lines:" This is not exactly self-reference according to WP:ASR, but quite so. If something cannot be backed by sources, it should just not be mentioned.  Andreas  (T) 14:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-reference 

message: The article currently says that Greek-speakers use "contemporaneous, local Greek pronunciation" while saying that Eastern Orthodox theology schools ""use the Reuchlinian pronunciation (which is quite the same as the contemporaneous literary Greek pronunciation)".  As far as I know, there is no difference between the pronunciation used by Greek-speakers in general and by Eastern Orthodox theology schools. Either way, this should be clarified. If I see no information about differences, I will rewrite. --macrakis (talk) 04:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reuchlinian vs. modern

message: The "joke" is poorly reverrenced; it appears in a book by Caragounis, whose claims are against mainstream knowledge, see Ancient Greek phonology#More recent developments. The passage in question is not sourced in the book. I culd not find any other mention of this story, so it is unclear where Caragounis got it from.  Andreas  (T) 13:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke 

message: :One particularly famed piece of schoolyard Greek in France is Xenophon's line "they did not take the city, but they had no hope of taking it" (οὐκ ἔλαβον πόλιν· άλλα γὰρ ἐλπὶς ἔφη κακά, ouk élabon pólin; álla gàr elpìs éphē kaká). Read in the French manner, this macaronically becomes "Où qu'est la bonne Pauline? A la gare. Elle pisse et fait caca." ("Where is young Pauline? At the station. She's pissing and taking a shit.")[4][5] 
This is a joke, it is not by Xenophon. I propose to delete the whole paragraph because (although funny) it is not relevant encyclopedic information (trivia are generally not to be included in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Handling trivia).  Andreas  (T) 01:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that we have this high school joke on the talk page, IMHO there's no reason to have it also on the "encyclopædia article" page. — Tonymec (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another joke 

message: Trying to follow the "Finnegan's Wake" link in a footnote to the France section, to http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/index.php/Ouk_elabon_polin, I get a page saying only:
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-- Tonymec (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: 3½ years later, the problem seems to have solved itself. — Tonymec (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link incompatible with (IIUC) Unified Login 

message: For non-phonologists, the exclusive use of the International Phonetic Alphabet is incomprehensible. Wikipedia should always include pronunciation comparanda.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.199.246 (talk) 18:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA