Talk:Rise of the Ottoman Empire

message: This source lists the wrong sultan as campaigning against Vlad Dracula.  To be fair, I have seen some otherwise professional sources get the sultans wrong because the writer is more knowledgable about European campaigns than the Ottoman Empire, and I have seen just the opposite problem with books on the Ottoman Empire.  Ignorance of Eastern European history is even more astounding than ignorance of Ottoman history, not just with wikipedia contributers but with almost all Western historians.  But while it is forgivable on those grounds, clearly this needs correcting.Shield2 05:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mehmed II, not Mehmed I campaigned against Dracula

message: ==Discussion==
This should be in Ottoman Empire, no? DJ Clayworth 17:19, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, I would personally rate it at one of those two classes - it is seriously lacking in references, however, and some sections seriously need to be expanded. Otherwise, I agree, it is not quite at the incomprehensible level of start-class. Master&Expert (Talk) 02:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Both of these sources you've mentioned are very out of date and should be used only with extreme caution, always checking against modern sources. Chamboz (talk) 03:33, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: This should be in Ottoman Empire, no? DJ Clayworth 17:19, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The article History of the Balkans has been listed to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. You can add your vote there if you would like to support the article.--Fenice 17:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive

message: I think this deserves at leats a C class or B class. It got loads. Tourskin 23:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, I would personally rate it at one of those two classes - it is seriously lacking in references, however, and some sections seriously need to be expanded. Otherwise, I agree, it is not quite at the incomprehensible level of start-class. Master&Expert (Talk) 02:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start class? 

message: I noticed two inconsistencies in this great atricle:
- It sais Murad I moves the capital from Bursa to Edirne (around 1365). The same is said for Mehmed I (around 1413). There is no mention of the capital moving back to Bursa in between.
- The article sais Mehmed I forced Walachia back into vassalage in 1419, but also sais that Murad II around 1422 invaded Walachia because it has been a Hungarian vasal state since the interregnum. One of those statements must be wrong.
85.146.80.156 (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies? 

message: I down-rated this article due to a major omission in its coverage: almost nothing is said about how the Ottoman conquered & consolidated its Anatolian territories. I'm hazy about its activities in the 14th century, prior to Timurlane's invasion & victory in 1402 (the conquest of Philadelphia eliminated the last Byzantine outpost in Asia Minor beyond the borders of the Empire of Trebizond, but there were two major victories the Ottoman Sultan enjoyed in the 15th century deserving mention: (1) its conquest of the Karamanids in the 1460s, who were one ancient rivals of the Ottomans; & (2) the Battle of Otlukbeli 11 August 1473, where Mehmet II's most powerful rival, Uzun Hassan, was decisively defeated.
The materials are available to fill these gaps -- one is Franz Babinger's, Mehmed the Conqueror and His Time, another Halil Inalcik's History of the Ottoman Empire Classical Age: 1300–1600 -- which is all the more reason I down-rated this article. -- llywrch (talk) 03:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of these sources you've mentioned are very out of date and should be used only with extreme caution, always checking against modern sources. Chamboz (talk) 03:33, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Down-rating