Talk:Carol of the Bells

message: Hey folks. I know that "lyrics" is a commonly-used term for the words to a song. Should we use the word "lyric" (since it's the correct singular term), or should we use "lyrics" (the common yet incorrect term)?
Just looking for a little advice on that. :) Bdevoe 18:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: wikipedia is determined by the majority, so lyrics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.35.147 (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

text: lyric is the term for one word of the text of the song, so if the song only had one word, "lyric" would be correct, but it has more than one, so "lyrics" is correct in this case. Just like a multi-dimensional figure has more than one metric, so we say "metrics". TarisWerewolf (talk) 10:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyric vs Lyrics 

message: On 15 Dec 06, user 64.228.132.25 added that there was a popular rendition of Carol of the Bells as a collaboration between Trans-Siberian Orchestra and Metallica. I have been totally unable to locate any kind of reference to this. This carols is one of my favorites and if one existed, I would like to have it. :) However, I believe that it's likely a misunderstanding on 64.228.132.25's part (commonly made) and is actually just the TSO/Christmas in Sarajevo version with members of Savatage. If anyone can find a true citation for the Metallica version, I would appreciate it. Bdevoe 01:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TSO/Metallica Version 

message: What are the rules on lyrics? It seems like the ultimate in enycopedic information about a song- the song itself. And it would do wonders for searching for a song that you only know the famous lyrics of but not the actual title, like Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme when you want Scarboroughfair/Canticle. It does seem perfect but almost every song on here doesn't have the lyrics. Most articles have links to the lyrics but not the lyrics themselves. Are they banned by any specific rule like page size, notability or even copyrite issues? I'm not suggesting we remove it, I', just curious as to why most pages don't have it.
Is there a rule you could point me at?Simondrake 04:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because most lyrics are copyrighted, there are not allowed on Wikipedia.  I do not know if they would be allowed for this article, even though it is a Ukranian folk melody, but the english translation could still be under copyright.  But it all depends on if the lyrics are copyrighted or not.  – Heaven's Wrath   Talk  19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The English Text is indeed copyrighted by Peter Wilhousky, but I do not know when the copryright runs out. I think it was cfirsts opyrighted in 1938. 70 years would end the copyright next year. Bandurist (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics Guidelines. 

message: Who actually did the Home Alone versions?
:If you mean who composed them, it was John Williams, which can be easily looked up on the Home Alone article.  For more and better responses, use WP:RD to ask questions.  Reywas92Talk 16:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home Alone 

message: You guys do realize that this link simply links back to the original page, right? I mean, if someone is willing to make an article on this parody, then they can put in the link, but what use is a link that goes nowhere?Leprechaun Gamer (talk) 05:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ding Fries are Done 

message: There is a Lemko church ic Passaic that also claims to have something to do with this song.  I'll see if I can find a link. Pustelnik (talk) 14:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Christmas Music Companion Fact Book: The Chronological History of Our Most Well-Known Traditional Christmas Hymns, Carols, Songs And the Writers & Composers Who Created Them by Dale V. Nobbman (you can find it on Google Books), Wilhousky lived in New Jersey. I question the book's credibility, though. He also says the original song, "Shchedryk", was about the popular notion that every bell in the world rang when Jesus was born. I have read that before in connection with the Wilhousky and Hohman English lyric versions, but it certainly was not the subject of the original song!162.206.141.210 (talk) 19:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Passaic, New Jersey

message: Carol of the Old Ones at YouTube
Is a terrific song about Cthulhu returning.  I think it's based on Carol of the Bells and perhaps should be mentioned as well as other variants. 70.6.206.196 (talk) 22:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Boguslav (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this what Carol of the Old Ones is based on? 

message: Regarding the Family Guy references:
* The Burger King reference is in the episode Deep Throats
* Peters christmas album is called: "A Peter Griffin Christmas", according to the episode Perfect Castaway.
193.171.40.5 (talk) 22:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to make the same point about the episode.  The parody starts at about 1:02 of Deep ThroatsI'll see if I can change it on the main page. 150.203.110.172 (talk) 08:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Pop Culture 

message: *The lyrics by Minna Louise Hohman are copyrighted, so they should not be added back to this article. It is probably acceptable to link to a website that has them.
*The rumor about the original Ukrainian song is inappropriate per Words to avoid and Avoid weasel words.
*There are plenty of Christmas carols in minor key, and plenty with a fast pace.
*There's no need to point out that Peter Wilhousky didn't compose the piece, because the article says who did.
*Mykola Leontovych's Murder has nothing to do with the song.
*This song's copyright has expired. It is in the public domain; therefore, anybody anywhere can use it in their advertising or any other purpose, and thousands of companies have done so. It has also appeared as background music in hundreds of TV shows and movies. Please don't add "So-and-so used it in their TV commercial" or "It was played in the background of Such-and-such" to the pop-culture section. It's almost as popular as Jingle Bells, but we don't need to add every TV, radio, and movie appearance of either song to Wikipedia.
*I've deleted all the "pop-culture" stuff that falls into the category of my last point and divided the rest into two sections - "Notable performances" and "Other versions".
 – jaksmata 15:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few comments about my recent edits 

message: Even ignoring whether the article is better or worse for the entire lyrics appearing on the page, according to U.S. Copyright law, that copyright exists for 70 years after the author's death.  Peter Wilhousky died in 1978, meaning that his lyrics are copyright until 2048.  Shouldn't they be removed? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see... I was mistaken. I'd take them back out, but someone else has already done so. – jaksmata 20:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright of lyrics 

message: Both are hilarious, and play every year for some time now.Lowellt (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not one, but two Garmin ads: Notable? 

message: I don't think this is true. It's not well known in the UK, for example - most British people have only heard it in American films/TV programs and so on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.148.157 (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably correct. We should tag it with a Citation needed tag or dubious statement. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was already tagged, so I just removed it and edited the rest of the paragraph. The lede should reflect the body and this is not discussed in the body at all. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Holiday favorite throughout the English-speaking world" 

message: I read with incredulity that the four-note ostinato is a "blending of a 2 vs. 3 beat pattern." I've never heard that before. Yes, I can see how it can be that. But is it really? Is that what the composer really had in mind? Or is it just the rhythm within the confines of a triple meter, mostly due to syllabification of the original Ukraine text. I would need a citation to justify this remark, especially since it also shows up in the entry for "polyrhythm," which it definitely is NOT an example of in that discussion. --B0cean (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to just delete the sentence. To see my reasons, see Talk #22 in polyrhythm.--B0cean (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ex. of polyrhythm or cross-rhythm? I don't think so. 

message: August Burns Red released their own version of this song on several albums! It was originally released on the X Christmas collaboration in 2008, Lost Messengers: The Outtakes in 2009, Constellations bonus Christmas version in 2009,  as well as August Burns Red Presents: Sleddin' Hill in 2012.
— Tha†emoover†here (talk) 22:06, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have both versions, so I'm not questioning its existence, but the notability of the recordings. Are they important? Has it charted. Has a secondary source written about this particular version? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  August Burns Red versions! 

message: I've been directed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#LQ for moving a period inside a "quote" for the translation of the Ukrainian title. It's not a quote that someone said, it's just stylistic quotes. From what I can tell, this portion of the MOS is concerned with punctuation of quotations only. I will leave it outside, but want to discuss.  162.206.141.210 (talk) 18:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the period inside the original title? If so, then it should be inside the quote. If it's not, its not correct to include it. :WP:LQ states exactly that: "Include terminal punctuation within the quotation marks only if it was present in the original material, and otherwise place it after the closing quotation mark." It's not style, is against the MoS and if you want to ask on the MoS's talk page, feel free. That is the case with almost every song title on Wikipedia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Period inside a "quote" that is not a quote 

message: * www.imdb.com/title/tt0111070/soundtrack
: The Santa Clause (1994) Soundtracks
: Carol Of The Bells
: Written by Peter Wilhousky
: Performed by The United States Air Force Band & Singing Sergeants (uncredited)
(is this an adequate source for the article?)
The song Carol Of The Bells is sung starting a couple minutes after the start of the 1994 movie The Santa Clause during the opening credits, lasting a little over a minute. (Some consider this to be one of the best performances. The singers are obscure/uncertain. The recording may not have ever been published, other than as part of the movie itself.)-
71.174.188.32 (talk) 23:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello! IMDB is not a reliable source for Wikipedia since the content is user-generated and sometimes wrong or based on rumors.  I have tried to find a good source for Santa Clause, but haven't found one yet. It would be ideal if a critic mentioned it in a review, perhaps published in a newspaper, magazine, or "reliable" website (not a fan site or personal blog). When possible, I've also tried to include why the song is notable to be added to the list.Belltoes (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Santa Clause (1994) Soundtrack 

message: Ward Swingle moved to London in 1973 - IIRC those recordings were done with the reformed group, please check/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.71.167 (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Swingles? 

message: Apart from in a couple of American shows I don't think I've heard this in the UK. I doubt many Brits would have a clue what this tune is. Should it be noted that this is relatively obscure outside the US? 86.171.52.134 (talk) 09:30, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: * I'm in London and put it on my watchlist when I heard it the other day.  I just heard it again on Classic FM – a UK radio station. Andrew D. (talk) 12:04, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: * I heard again later on their annual carol chart show in which it placed #8. Andrew D. (talk) 12:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular specifically in America? 

message: I'm gae 85.254.74.88 (talk) 08:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: Somebody please extend the section "Notable recordings" through the very beautiful non-lexical version of Dan Hicks (singer) in his 2010 album "Crazy for Christmas". It can be found in Youtube (Carol of the Bells, Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks). I do not write English so well and do not dare to edit the English Wikipedia by myself. Grunte (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add the version of Dan Hicks 

message: About reverting the added reference: The same version used as the opening theme is used in a lot YT videos. My daughter knew the name of the song, but I had to ask ChatGPT where I new that from mainly from and wasn't disappointed, quite opposite to the article which lacked the information. Imagine how often this one is played every day, compared to e.g. an original recording of an orchestra. Plus the link form NOS4A2 to this article doesn't name the performing artist(s), which has/have to be added here.Mideal (talk) 10:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOS4A2 

message: An editor added to the IPC section "Featured in the Doctor Who episode 'Church on Ruby Road' with Ncuti Gatwa's first solo outing as the Doctor." with no source. Sourcing is required, not only to avoid WP:OR, but to keep fan-sighting out and only add items that have at least gotten some coverage to establish the significance of its usage.
I deleted it as "unsourced, no indication of significance"; the same editor re-added it, again without any source or other basis to show its significance. 
I still believe it should be deleted; otherwise articles on any song get filled with fancruft of editors adding any OR-sighting of music in their personal favorite films or show, without any regard to the actual importance as noted in third-party coverage; but I'm not going to edit-war. I've flagged it as needing a cite for now, but it's still probably best to delete it absent a showing of cultural significance. TJRC (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture, use in Dr. Who,