Talk:List of British flags/Archive 1

message: Union Jack is located here: Talk:Union Jack#Merge "List of British flags" into "Union Jack".--Mais oui! 20:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge into the main Union Jack article 

message: Anyone confused with the edit summary should know that the edit of 22:54 was not a self reversion as it says in the log; I mistook this page for another. Greentubing 09:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits of 22:54-55, 15 February 2006  

message: does 
c900 mean the 9th centuary or the 900s —Preceding unsigned comment added by Euano (talk • contribs)  16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dates of flags 

message: Should the Cross of St. George (English Flag) be freely flown from any building in Scotland?
For the purposes of this discussion it will be assumed that no other flag will be flown with it and the building in question is a public house and the flag shares the wall it is mounted on (without a flag pole) with advertisements for makes of beer.
I think it would be an insult to every Scotsman/woman as well as an insult to the people of England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.69.228 (talk • contribs)  09:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross of St. George in Scotland 

message: It's totally unofficial but I've just uploaded the flag of Buckinghamshire in .png format to use in my own signature.  It's not particularly well produced (there's a line down the middle for example) but if anyone feels the need and uploads a better version in .svg format please let me know. -- Francs2000  16:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A regional flag 

message: Is there a flag for Britain any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.164.3.90 (talk • contribs)  17:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Flag? 

message: Is that the correct title?  Their website refers to The Commissioners of Northern Lighthouses.   --jmb 09:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ensign of the Commissioners of the Northern Lights

message: Why do so many of these images show up as broken red links? --Masamage 20:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken images 

message: I'm in favour of keeping St Patrick's Flag in the article, as it's a key component of the Union Flag - basically Northern Ireland's bit. Ireland may no longer be part of the UK, but note that this article is flags of "the United Kingdom and related territories. [emphasis mine]". For the time period clearly stated in the table, Ireland was most certainly a related territory. Indeed, many of the flags of the overseas territories and crown dependancies are no longer - or never were - part of the UK, and should hence be removed under such a strict definition of 'British'. --Scott Wilson 18:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Patrick's Flag 

message: In all fairness to those from Ireland isn't it rather rude to say that the flag was "Defaced" with the Irish harp?
:No, because that is the correct term for placing a badge or other device over a pre-existing flag design. Another example would be the Australian flag - that is a Blue ensign defaced with a southern cross design. In the context of flags, 'defaced' is not a derogatory term. Martocticvs 18:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Defaced?

message: One flag that I can't find anywhere, with a GOOGLE search etc, is the old BBC flag.  Modern one is just "BBC" on the flag but I think it was blue with a circle and globe perhaps but a long time since I saw it flying.  I will check some more books later but thought it could be a useful one to add to various institutions.  --jmb 01:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC

message: The dates for the three British East India Company flags do not seem right.  Were they all in use until 1858?  --jmb 14:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: British East India Company

message: You have stated that there is POV in the edit can you please explain exactly what yuo mean--Vintagekits 00:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Astrotrains edit 

message: What about flags incorporating the union flag i.e austrailia nz etc..
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.195.211 (talk • contribs) 
:Too cryptic. What exactly about them?...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk  • 10:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags incorporating the Union Flag 

message: A change may want to be made from :Image:Flag_of_The_Commonwealth.PNG to :Image:Flag_of_The_Commonwealth.svg as SVG should be used where possible. Richard Thompson (Talk! | Contribs) 11:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commonwelth Flag 

message: Could an administrator please add this article to the category  as the main article (i.e.  )?  Thanks. Bastin 20:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed protection from the article - it's been protected far too long. Thanks/wangi 20:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Just added. Bastin 21:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request: add category

message: Can somebody add the flag of Trinity House which is flown on most lighthouses and lightships in England and Wales. The Northern Lighthouse Board flag is there but not Trinity House's. I don't know if it would go under government or ensigns. I have a photo of it flying on Portland Bill lighthouse on the Trinity House page but we need to add it to this list and add a proper illustration of the flag. Tony Corsini 09:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trinity House flag

message: I don't see the flags for the Governors of the Overseas Territories (or the former one for Hong Kong). Is there any particular reason for this or should they be added? Biofoundationsoflanguage 18:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've added a couple. Sadly wikipedia lacks images for the bulk of the former Governors of former British Colonies. I also look to be adding the current Governors earlier on in the article. Biofoundationsoflanguage 14:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governors' flags 

message: This page in a nutshell: "While the flag icons that many editors use in various contexts in Wikipedia articles can be useful in some circumstances, there are also problems associated with their misapplication and overuse. Words are clearer."
However, since this is specifically a list of British flags, this advice specifically does not apply here and should not be sloppily cited by editors when making edits or reverts, in my opinion if words were indeed clearer in this article we would not picture any flags at all - which would be plain daft!...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk  • 09:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:FLAGCRUFT was never actually this vague, and its current guideline version, at WP:MOSFLAG certainly is not.  It makes it very clear that flags images have legitimate uses here.  Marking this topic . — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 18:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:Flagcruft]] 

message:   In the fourth line of the table the flag of the Commissioner of the British Indian Ocean Territory is misidentified in the Uses column as the flag of the Governor of the British Virgin Islands (given in the fifth line). Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --- RockMFR 04:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woops! Thanks for fixing it. Biofoundationsoflanguage 13:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Governor's flags 

message: Pitcairn Island should be plural, i.e. the Pitcairn Islands. ChrisNolan.ca 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Issues 

message: I moved this closer to the top of the article.--Padraig 16:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no agreement in the mediation to do that, so I've reverted it. Astrotrain 18:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You where the one complaining that the Ulster Banner was placed near the bottom of the article, and that it should be near the top, do you like arguing just for the sake of it.--Padraig 00:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say you are acting like a complete idiot here Astrotrain. You complain that the Ulster Banner is not shown prominently enough and then Padraig make a big effort to appease you are show it in a far more promoinent position that before and you revert it! I just dont understand that and I also think there is no point in carrying on an sort of mediation with this editor and its just banging yer head again a brick wall.--Vintagekits 00:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical flags and ensigns

message: This is disputed. That particular flag was proposed by one person with little response. It is not official. A commercially available Dorset flag looks utterly different. See Flag of Dorset. This image should be removed. White43 (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dorset Flag 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Alexandra arms.jpg

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Cg-flag.gif

message: The title of this article is inaccurate. A good few of these flags aren't actually "British". For example the flag of the Commonwealth of England goes back 1649, which as the article British people makes clear is long before this term was being used. I think clearly the easiest fix would be to simply rename the article List of flags of the United Kingdom. It would be much more controversial trying to actually determine which of these really count as British, which many of them don't. ʄ!•¿talk? 20:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What a ridiculous suggestion. If you don't think certain flags are British then why would it be relevant for the United Kingdom? Astrotrain (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The article contains historical places that were part of the British Empire, not the United Kingdom. This name change is just another sad POV push from people who have nothing better to do on wiki. MickMacNee (talk) 18:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Said the person who was engaged in an edit war over the Tescos article. Thats hilarious! Whats next on your list of vital and important wikipedia articles to argue over, Sainsbury's? ASDA maybe? ʄ!•¿talk? 21:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no need for personal attacks. Fennessy is known for disruptive edit warring and should not be attacking other users for disagreeing with him. Astrotrain (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  So your response is yet another personal attack. Perhaps if you were to work with editors rather than attack them, we could improve the article. Astrotrain (talk) 21:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

message: The RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institution) is currently listed twice - once under 'Military flags and ex-services flags', and once under 'Other'
I'm not sure which is best - I'm a little uneasy about the RNLI being classified as Military/Ex Service, which would suggest 'Other' is better. But I haven't made any edit yet.The Stumo (talk) 08:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RNLI: Listed Twice 

message: I reversed a move, and put "List of flags of the United Kingdom" back to "List of British flags".
The article covers more than flags of the United Kingdom.  It covers dependencies and historical flags too.  The editor suggested that "British" refers only to Great Britain. That is not the case, cerrtainly not these days.  Northern Ireland is "as British as Finchley" though not in Great Britain.  The name "British" refers to any British territory. Gibraltar, whose flags are featured is the article, is British, and not just in government.  The title  "List of flags of the United Kingdom" would exclude it.
The original move was no doubt made in good faith, but its effect was to narrow the article, not to widen it as intended. 
Howard Alexander (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well done, List of British Flags seems a suitable and acceptable title to me. No need for it to be changed to flags of the UK BritishWatcher (talk) 00:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: List of British Flags is the best title. The Northern Irish thing isn't a problem for anyone most people from NI. The more important point (constitutionally) is that British overseas territories and Crown Dependencies are not the United Kingdom (of GB&NI) but are British. Also the Church of Ireland, RNLI and others are not UK-specific organisations.  Roadnote  ♫  12:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Article 

message: Should the list also illustrate the flags flown by merchant ships to show their nationality? In most cases these will be red ensign based versions of the blue ensign based flags used by each country. 20:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags used by Merchant ships

message: What is this doing here? DGG (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Salvation Army

message: Why do we have:
Ensigns
*Blue Ensign
*Red Ensign
*White Ensign
*Civil Air Ensign
*RAF Ensign
*Civil Jack
*Sea Cadet Corps Ensign
*Air Training Corp Ensign
and then various standards, and then:
Military flags and ex-services flags
*White Ensign (again)
*Non Ceremonial Flag of the British Army
*RAF Ensign (again)
*Ensign of the Royal Observer Corps
*Ensign of the Royal Civil Defense
*Flag of the Joint Services
*Ensign of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary
*Ensign of the Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service
*Flag of the Royal British Legion (it's a defaced blue ensign; is it not an Ensign rather than a Flag?)
*Flag of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution (the RNLI is neither Military nor ex-services and it also appears below in Miscellaneous))
*Ensign of the Lighthouse authorities (the flag described is, I think, the ensign of Trinity House. The other Lighthouse Authorities (Ireland and Northern) have their own ensigns.  So shouldn't the row (a) be labeled "Trinity House" and (b) be moved down into Government
*Flag of the Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom
Don't we need one section like this:
Ensigns
*Red Ensign
*Blue Ensign
*White Ensign
*Civil Air Ensign
*Non Ceremonial Flag of the British Army
*RAF Ensign
*Civil Jack
*Air Training Corp Ensign
*Flag of the Joint Services
*Flag of the Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom
*Ensign of the Royal British Legion
*Ensign of the Royal Civil Defense
*Ensign of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary
*Ensign of the Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service
*Ensign of the Royal Observer Corps
*Sea Cadet Corps Ensign
(below Civil Jack, they're in alpha order by organization)
. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs)  00:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ensigns split in two? 

message: It's not clear to me why Gibraltar gets a section of its own, while its flag and governor's flag are also listed inline with other overseas territories.
Unless there's objection, I will add the Gibraltar Government Ensign and Civil Ensign to the Overseas Territories section and eliminate the Gibraltar section.
I would also change the section above Isle of Man to be Channel Islands and Isle of Man (Crown Dependencies) and move the Man flags there.  I'm not sure that Alderney, Herm, and Sark belong in this part of the list, as they are subsidiary to Guernsey-- perhaps they should be moved to the Counties section, although perhaps it would be better to list them after Guernsey, Jersey and Man, with a break in the table. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs)  13:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltar special treatment?  Isle of Man? Alderney, Herm, and Sark? 

message: According to Flags of the World, which is usually right, although not definitive, the flag that was there was correct. The flag described by User: 94.170.136.121 is the flag of the MOD. It seems to me that we need an authoritative source -- one that is better than FOTW -- to change it. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs)  23:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As to the Joint Services Flag, it is well know enough.  (I could take a photo of the one flying from the barracks down the road, but you'll just have to take my assurance that it looks right.)  I've not seen the MOD flag, but if the image on FOTW was from Graham Bartram as it says, I think we can take it as definitive. Howard Alexander (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Having said which, I found that I have a book of photographs of London.  A picture of the Whitehall ministries from the Thames shows the Ministry of Defence, with the Ministry's flag flying. It is the one shown on FOTW, the three stripes divided vertically. Howard Alexander (talk) 07:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joint Services Flag 

message: The citations given do not support the assertion that this flag was a legitimate flag in regular use between the dates 1606-1707: throughout the periods of the union of the crowns, the Commonweath and the kingdom of Great Britain. The flag should not even appear in the list. I don't agree with that (talk) 20:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your opinion is duly noted. The flag stays. 81.154.105.107 (talk) 09:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the flag is to stay the description of it certainly needs to be changed to point out its status more clearly to avoid misleading people considering it appears right next to the proper union flag used before Ireland joined. This matter clearly needs more debate though, some form of change is needed.  BritishWatcher (talk) 18:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Union Flag 

message: The link to Britishflags.net does not work 84.13.169.169 (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: In the section Others Members of the Royal Family, it is written Prince William of Wales next to his standard, when he was appointed Duke of Cambridge last Friday. Please do check His standard just in case.Juan Sebastián  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.47.36.3 (talk) 22:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HRH The Duke of Cambridge - Change 

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thread_title: File:Royal Observer Corps Ensign.PNG Nominated for Deletion

message: In your article you state that the British ensign was in use from 1963 to 1980. This is in fact incorrect as Rhodesia claimed Unilateral Independence from Britain in 1965 and a new flag was taken into use that year. In 1979 the Zimbabwe-Rhodesia flag was used (Black, green, white and red) until 18 April 1980 when the new Zimbabwe flag was put into used.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.16.185.103 (talk) 19:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Rhodesia Information Incorrect 

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message: There is an article called Flags of the British Empire with similar content. Since this violates Wikipedia policy, I think it should be merged with the overseas territories section of this article. Sayan rc (talk) 23:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar page 

message: The Vierkleur shown on this page was the Flag of the South African Republic, when it became the Transvaal colony its flag became
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transvaal_Colony_Flag.png
And if it is listed the Orange River Colony should be mentioned as well\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Orange_River_Colony.svg --Scottykira (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transvaal Flag 

message: Wiki has the flag for Warwickshire here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:County_Flag_of_Warwickshire.png so why isn't it in the list for this page?  Could someone who knows what they're doing add it to the list please? MidlandLinda (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a banner of the arms of Warwickshire County Council, not the flag of Warwickshire. As such it is the legal property of the council and not the flag of the county-at-large. The county doesn't have a registered flag yet, but the Warwickshire Association has a flag proposal page. Owain (talk) 14:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone add Warwickshire to the county flags. 

message: Hi. If you search down the article for Oswald you'll find he's a saint in one place and a king in the other. I know that he was both, yes; I'm just saying that the article should refer to him in one consistent manner so it makes more sense when you follow what the earlier reference says about the later one. I don't know which is better; what do you think? Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oswald consistency