Talk:Saiyan (gamer)

message: A senior editor recently deleted the competition tables that I created, citing what Wikipedia is not. Meaning that they felt this content was trivial or not encyclopedic. They had also removed one of the sources for the table, meaning this was uncited content. I have restored an edited version of the competition tables, with new sources. I have reduced the content to events that were major or involved key players in the sport, and also removed things like earnings from the event.  I am not a gamer, but in working on this stub article over time have determined that 1) Halo is a sport and 2) it is common to provide stats regarding sports in Wikipedia, 3) other egammers have similar data in their articles The content of the tables document the longing winning streak in the history of Halo 2 and also the team that won the most championships, etc. Therefore, I believe this content to be relevant to understanding both the sport and Saiyan. Rublamb (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. The consensus on Wikipedia is that esports is not considered a sport and does not follow any sports guidelines; see Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Statement to exclude Esports from this guideline (not something I agree with). Much of the tables' content is sourced to https://www.thehaloforum.com/, which is not a reliable source, either. What other articles contain is not justification to have that here, as they can be wrong, too. At most, the tables should simply be a list of major tournaments won. – Pbrks (t • c) 03:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Thanks for explaining. I rarely copy edit or find sources for sport articles, but it is always challenging to go deeper because of all their rules. I suppose the gaming group isn't adopting video games because they are not table top? Although, some poker and chess players do have competition tables per my quick check. In this case, the tables predated me, and I didn't want to merge info into the main text because there were no sources. Since I operate on make it better, rather than just delete,  I made the tables sortable, filled in missing content, standardized style, and was trying to find references that didn't involve a finding a source for each event through Wayback. That is what I get for taking a short cut! Give me a day and I will dig through the archives for sources for the events that make the cut. But I do think the team name should be included as he almost exclusively played 4v4. Rublamb (talk) 06:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much. IMO, NSPORTS should simply include any notable competition, regardless if its physical or mental, but here we are. Anyways, yes, the team name is definitely appropriate. My biggest issue was the enormous list of every competition he's ever played in, as Wikipedia isn't an exhaustive list of all information. – Pbrks (t • c) 20:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reduced the list to his top placings. Since he only placed lower than 4th on 2 occasions (which I had already cut), that means I am reducing the list to first place for the most part. Thanks for your advice and input. Rublamb (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competition Tables