Talk:The Irish Times

message: Under "political position" is it really necessary to include every position ever held by the newspapper during its existence: "originally Protestant Irish nationalist, became Irish Unionist, now left Liberal".  What's wrong with specifying its current political outlook, and leaving the rest to the "History" section in the article?  --Ryano 10:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: somehow i think the following is incorrect;
:'1875 it became the first newspaper to feature a "Page 3 Girl"'
::Lol, sadly this policy has been discontinued. I think it can be left out!AleXd (talk) 23:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page 3

message: The result was merge into The Irish Times. With more content the article can always be re-created later. -- Debate 木 01:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Times Trust article merge 

message: There's mention of "an independent opinion poll by Red C Market Research for the Sunday Business Post", and then "Both surveys". I don't see the other survey. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.203.54.200 (talk) 18:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  M3 Motorway Controversy 

message: Re: However with regard to the 2007 General Election the paper has come under severe criticism from all quarters[citation needed] for its strigent anti-Fianna Fail stance, with many questionining its abitity to provide balanced journalism.
is this, added just a couple of days ago, a valid item for an encyclopedia. "All quarters" seems too sweeping, and I am not aware of any such allegations. 
I suggest deleted this sentence. Feedback?
The next paragraph seems in need of a little work also. SeoR 12:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged 2007 bias 

message: "The paper is generally perceived as liberal, socialist and neutral on Irish unity, in contrast to the Irish Independent, which is perceived as populist and economically right wing and the pro Fine Gael Irish Examiner." 
"As examples of alleged bias, The Irish Times was seen by some as supportive of Mary Robinson's campaign for the presidency of Ireland (a claim the newspaper disputes), and of legal changes to Ireland's divorce, contraception and abortion laws. It also opposed the 2004 referendum on Irish citizenship."
(Where is the citation for this and evidence?)
The Irish Times Trust (1974) mandate is: " ... to publish an independent newspaper primarily concerned with serious issues for the benefit of the community throughout the whole of Ireland, free from any form of personal or party political, commercial, religious, or other sectional control ... " (Irish Times, 150 anniversary supplement magazine, Friday, March 27, 2009)
I recall the last Irish times opinion poll before polling day saying that 54% of people were going to vote yes for the changes to the constitution with the citizenship referendum. 79% of people voted yes. What kind of margin of error is that? They obviously either fiddled the figures or only polled people in areas of the country which they knew were far left-leaning.
: The IT, no more than any other paper, does not do surveys itself but commissions them. So any issues with numbers are rather more to do with their agency than the paper.  SeoR 19:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad this has been raised. Also in other newspaper articles?  SeoR 07:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The newspaper is generally perceived as pro-Protestant. It has Protestant roots and features Church of Ireland, Methodist and Presbyterian (but not Roman Catholic) Notes. Apart from the Roman Catholic Pro-Cathedral of St Mary, all the church service times it gives in its Saturday edition are of Protestant cathedrals and churches. It gives a high profile to Church of Ireland prelates and activities in the same way as the Murdoch press favours the Roman Catholic church. And a leader a year or two back referred to the "scandalous" decree of Ne Temere. Millbanks (talk) 07:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No neutrality 

message: The article does not give details of circulation. However, talking to someone who used to work for the Irish Times, he told me that in the last two decades it had made considerable increases, largely amongst Roman Catholic readers: the southern Protestant market was already saturated. Getting sales in the North seems more problematic, even though the newspaper is priced substantially more cheaply there (£1 as opposed to €1-80). Certainly there are not many letters from northern readers. One suspicion is that northern Protestants have reservations about buying a (southern) Irish newspaper, and Roman Catholics in the North still preceive it as Protestant. Millbanks (talk) 09:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Circulation

message: I think the article needs to be restructured a little. The lead section contains much opinion and unverified claims, rather than summarising the article below. 
The sentences about promient columnists could be moved down the article. I also doubt whether Miriam Lord merits special mention. Nor would I describe her as a "satirist". The History section also contains material which is relativly recent and merits at least some subsections. The Content section could also be further divided into the main paper and the supplements.
Finally there should be a new section including its auxilary business, such as myhome.ie and Irish Times Training, which isn't mentioned.AleXd (talk) 23:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation of Article 

message: The German version was translated from this article and, consequentially, contained this sentence. I deleted it from the German version, since this is not true. There are still examples of newspapers which are still independent and owned by their readers or cowokers, so they can't be sold without their permission, these are die tageszeitung, junge Welt, jungle World (Germany) and Die Wochenzeitung (Switzerland, no English article available yet). Historically it was also the case with Il Messaggero (Italy) and Libération (France). And these are only the examples I know by heart and for Europe. --Marcus Schätzle (talk) 01:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, true indeed! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Irish Times is the only newspaper in Ireland, and one of only a few worldwide, to be protected in this way." 

message: This article badly, badly needs more information on the Irish Times Trust. Why was it set up/ Why did the owner surrender his ownership for nothing, it seems? How many people are on the Trust? How are they appointed? How often are they appointed? Is there a religious bias in such appointments? How can the Trust influence editorial policy, if at all? What are the benefits of The Irish Times being governed by a Trust rather than by a privately-owned company? What are the pitfalls of the Trust? Could this type of newspaper ownership be a serious alternative to the current abuses of power which are ongoing in O'Reilly and O'Brien-dominated media in Ireland? I realise the last question is not directly linked, but the reason I want to know more about the Irish Times Trust is to see if it could be used in other newspapers to counter the current abuses of power there. 89.101.59.188 (talk) 13:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your keen interest in these questions and your evident detailed grasp of the range of issues to be addressed suggests you are strongly qualified to research the Trust and to add your discoveries to the article. O'Dea (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Times Trust: much more info needed

message: This article needs to mention the role of The Irish Times in this scandal. Editing the final testimony of a now deceased 25-year-old lady, conflicts of interest between its journalists and the employer whom that lady made serious allegations against. It stinks. This morning it published an "apology" not to Kate Fitzgerald for editing (on 28.11.2011) the letter she wrote (published on 9.09.2011)  before her death but to The Communications Clinic, where they essentially called Kate Fitzgerald a liar. This is not the last we'll hear about The Irish Times' shameful behaviour here. Fyodor Dostoevsky (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kate Fitzgerald]]

message: For some reason the Novelist Bernard Share's page redirects here even though he's not even mentioned in the article. Rather than do that, I will edit his redirect to a stub article which hopefully can be further expanded. zadignose (talk) 06:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The redirect was created in 2008 with the edit note "(reviewer for the Irish Times; perhaps not notable enough for his own article)". I've expanded it slightly, but there's clearly scope for much more. PamD 08:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bernard Share 

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message: * Not controlled by some conspiracy for first 127 years
* Too much and too high in article about controversies, not enough on basics
* What about the Weekly IT, Pictorial, etc?
91.193.179.238 (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs review  

message: The political alignment section is ridiculous. The Irish Times is not pro-austerity, pro-Fine Gael, or right-wing libertarianism. It has writers who expouse those views but that is not the slant of the newspaper. I don't know who wrote that but that is a serious tankie point of view and there are a lot of analytical newspaper balance metrics that classify the Irish Times and it would not fall under those lines.Aerchasúr (talk) 14:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not read the property supplement lately, I take it? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Maybe try reading it, so. Promotion of REITs and criticism of opposition to selling off public land to developers at knockdown value is completely neoliberal. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Political alignment