Talk:Jewish schisms

message: I really think that there should be some mention of the messianic movement surrounding the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l.
: I have recently read Sue Fishkoff's book, The Rebbe's Army, which I recommend. It is clear from her reporting that messianic Lubavitchters are a small dissident group within Chabad, not an important schism. Although, it's a bit strange to see the Rebbe's picture on a bus in Jerusalem. --Metzenberg 03:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chabad Anyone? 

message: Here is what the text now says:
:: The most famous schism in Jewish history was the split between the followers of Jesus (who were known as Notzrim or Nazarenes) attributed to the Council of Jamnia, with the claim by his disciples that he was the long-awaited Jewish Messiah, and the majority Pharisees (Predecessors to Rabbinic Judaism) who rejected this claim.
There is a lot of 2nd century material in Mishneh concerning heretics, but it's not really clear that they were Christian, as opposed to Greek/Roman pagan, or members of other Jewish sects (and there were others). This so-called "schism" has been given an outsized importance that is not in accord with the actual historic record. 
It is obvious that a lot of Jews did convert to Christianity, especially after Christianity became a Roman/Greek religion in the 4th-5th centuries. But there just isn't much documentary evidence for the existence of a large Jewish sect among the Pharisees that supported Jesus, that was part of the rabbinical/Pharisee movments, and that had a lot of interplay with Pharisees/rabbis. 
The most famous schism in Jewish history?  Show me the evidence. --Metzenberg 03:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and made some changes to avoid this unsupported claim.  When I was growing up, Christianity was another religion but I never heard the word "schism" in my home or in Hebrew School; I have read LOTS of books on Jewish history and none used the word "schism."  My sense is that a schism leads to a major split within a religion, and not the creation of a new religion.  Wasn't the big schism in Christianity between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy?  yet these are both Christian and recognize each other as Christian, right?  I am not even sure that Christianity should be mentioned in this article ... does the word "schism" really apply here? Slrubenstein   |  Talk 17:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split of Christian movements - where's the evidence! 

message: The section is written from a mostly neo-chabad hasidic POV. Hasidim were opposed by traditionalists and rationalists outside of Vilna. Including Schneur Zalman's own father Baruch. Usage of the word baal shem tov is objectional. 203.214.137.16 15:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It also assumes the historicity of the Bible. I've removed the claim it is based on archaeology--Doug Weller (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  npov 

message: This reads like someone's original research. On the other hand, it is identical to the text at http://www.hareidi.org/en/index.php/Schisms_among_the_Jews -- "This website contains resources for the Anglo-Hareidi community, as well as resources for those wishing to learn about or become part of that community. Hareidi or Chareidi Judaism is the most theologically conservative form of Orthodox Judaism." I can't tell offhand which is the original.--Doug Weller (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

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message: I think all of those should be mentioned, especially since those are movements or religions, involving Jews or alleged Jews, that are closely related to Judaism that are not considered to be Jewish. (Note: I thought of including Samaritanism, but since Samaritans are generally not considered to be Jews, I left that out.)  —  Rickyrab | Talk 07:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Syncretic movements, Kabbalah Centre, etc.

message: : Moved. The consensus seems to be that the proposed name is better than, or at least no worse than, the current name. A further move to Jewish denominations or merger with Jewish religious movements can be the subject of a new proposal. Station1 (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Schisms among the Jews → Jewish schisms — More for reasons of style, than anything else. "Schisms among the Jews" seems an overly dramatic and poetic way of titling this article, while "Jewish schisms" sounds much more natural and to the point. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 21:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I support the move, Yehoshua's reasoning makes sense. Shlomke (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Why is the initial letter of the second term in upper case (Schisms)? Bus stop (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering the same thing. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean in the title, Jewish Schisms, why is Schisms captitalized? Isn't that accepted protocol to capitalize both words in a title? What are Wikipedia's standards on this? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 20:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The lines of scripture relevant to this question are found at WP:LOWERCASE.  Since this is clearly not a proper name, the article has been renamed following a request by Koavf. Favonian (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is second term in Upper Case? 

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message: The "18:43, 8 November 2018" edit that changed the HatNotes/tags atop "Jewish schisms" from Multiple (POV-check, original research) - both dated April 2008 to a single WP:OR dated November 2018 was an solated/unexplained edit amidst a series of edits by Edit2020. 
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Please see above "==Original Research==" (April 2008) and followup (Sept. 2010). If, a decade later, that latter is not a good enough resolution, it's time for this one: blame that 2010 theory's BOT. Pi314m (talk) 09:36, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Original

message: The sentence "Thus a cultural schism was also created between the more westernised English, French, and Ladino-speaking Western European Jews" is unsourced, and grouping Ladino-speakers (meaning Sefardim, who aren't burdened with reform-ism) with "English, French" - without a source - is mixing West with (Middle)East. Pi314m (talk) 09:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sefardim aren't a monolith; some dispersed to the Middle East after the expulsion while others dispersed to France, the Netherlands, or even the Americas. And in France's reform communities, Ashkenazim and Sephardim freely intermingle, as they also do in Seattle's reform communities. פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 20:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Ladino-speaking 

message: Wasn't Conservative Judaism formulated by the leadership of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, which began as an Orthodox institution? And wasn't this JTS largely led by disciples of Zecharias Frankel of the Breslau seminary, and part of a larger movement that also included Neolog Judaism? פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 20:31, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Later on, in 1880s America, Conservative Judaism split from the Reform movement" 

message: why is Misnagdim changed to Mitnagdim?--142.163.195.18 (talk) 02:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misnagdim/Mitnagdim