Talk:List of math rock groups

message: Hullo, just here to point out that Giraffes? Giraffes! links to the humor book, and not the band.
71.243.218.7 (talk) 04:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Giraffes? Giraffes! redirects to Dave Eggers, who co-wrote a book titled Giraffes? Giraffes!. There is no article on Giraffes? Giraffes! (band), which is why it's not found on this list. In fact, so many editors keep linking to Giraffes? Giraffes! that I've added a hidden comment in the article asking them not to. I hope this helps! Woodroar (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Link

message: I would like to propse a name change to "Math rock artists" for the sake of consistancy with other music lists. 192.103.41.201 05:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: proposed name change

message: It's important to note that math rock isn't defined by odd meters; it is defined by changes in meter.  For example, playing a jazz waltz isn't math style.  The appeal of well-executed math rock, to me, at least, is the elegant fusion of these different meters. AdamSap 18:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree with this; it's a very good point.  Your definition would thus exclude a lot of the softer Chicago/Louisville bands that have been grouped under the heading, which will, for example, play a whole song in 7/8 with clean guitars.  It's quite different from something by Craw or Don Caballero, though these bands also on occasion play an entire song in 5/8 or 13/8.  Badagnani 19:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On time signatures 

message: I don't see how !Forward Russia! are math rock in any way. The fact that their songs are just numbers is completely irrelevant surely? I don't think they should be included in this list.
:Good call.  Some people just don't know what they're talking about and in this case you're correct that they definitely should never have been added.  However, it's hard for everyone to know every band (especially very obscure ones), so we often trust editors to add bands whose style matches what is described in the article.  I just watched some of their videos on YouTube and it is all 4/4 (though there are occasionally some syncopations in the drums, within that 4/4 beat.  They're going now, never to return to this article.  If you find any others you think shouldn't be here either, we'll listen and give our verdict.  Badagnani 00:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just watched the videos on YouTube again and found one song in 7/4, with the intro to another song in 3/4.  Otherwise, it's still all 4/4.  This doesn't meet the definition and the band is being removed -- again.  Badagnani 01:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There's a whole heap of post-rock bands that don't really classify (especially Explosions in the Sky) and i have no idea why Mudvayne is in there. Just because something uses alternate meters doesn't mean its math rock, its a pretty specific group of bands.. Mwhale 01:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I would contest the inclusion of Minus The Bear and Mute Math. A live Mute Math performance does include several songs that border on being "mathy" with time changes, overdubbing pedals, and complicated rythm, but all in all they are certainly a pop-rock band.--Whip It On Jim (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Minus the Bear removed. Their songs are in 4/4. Badagnani (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bands to Remove(?) 

message: Someone added Tool again?  Please see earlier discussion and re-evaluate.  Badagnani 06:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tool

message: I added Uphollow, which has two Math Rock albums and two predominately non-Math Rock albums.  Do they qualify, or should they be removed?--GulCratt 09:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occasional Math Rock bands?

message: Armored Bear removed--the one song on their MySpace page is slow and in 4/4. Badagnani 18:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Armored Bear

message: Creta Bourzia removed--all 4 songs on their MySpace page are in 4/4 throughout. Badagnani 18:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creta Bourzia

message: I definitely think Ahleuchatistas qualify. 
Tristan da Cunha and Ahleuchatistas were just removed, but taking out 2 minutes to listen to their tracks online shows that they both meet the definition of math rock perfectly.
http://www.slendermusic.com/tristan/#hear
http://www.myspace.com/ahleuchatistas
This edit was hasty and careless. One needs to truly evaluate each band before removing so that this sort of mistake is not made again. Badagnani 16:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed bands 

message: Bands that are redlinked:
*The 1985
*5ive
*Ahleuchatistas
*Amber Fall
*Archaeopteryx
*Art of Burning Water
*Autistic Youth
*Auto Automatic
*Bad Dudes
*Bear Is Driving
*Big'N
*Book of Maps
*bofolo
*Bozart
*Brass Knuckles for Tough Guys
*Bruit Vert
*Brutally Handsome Gentlemen
*Bubblemath
*By the End of Tonight
*C
*Calabi Yau
*Check Engine
*Cheval De Frise
*Chevreuil
*Colditz Glider
*Collapsar
*Creta Bourzia
*Drill for Absentee
*Drowning Tigers in Plain view
*Dakota Dakota
*Drill for absentee
*Echosilence
*The Edmund Fitzgerald
*en Filora
*The End of Us All
*Fago.Sepia
*Fever Sleeves
*From Cocaine to Rogaine
*Future Corpses
*Galanas Cerdd
*Gaston
*Geiger Counter
*Giraffes? Giraffes!
*Goodbye, Tiger
*Greeness
*Heston Rifle
*Hell Mach 4
*Honey for Petzi
*Hurl
*Hurtmold
*I'm Being Good
*Illium
*Instruments
*Johnboy
*Japandi
*The Killing Tree
*Malduit
*Máscara (band)
*Mayors of Miyazaki
*Medications
*Mirror - On, Then, In
*Murder in the Red Barn
*Mutiny on the Bounty
*Nap Attack
*Neutrino
*New Brutalism
*The New Druids Society Quartet
*Noyes
*O Lucky Man!
*Ocelot
*Omega Coke Mirror
*Oxes
*Penny Winlbood
*Piglet
*Plarpatronica
*Ring, Cicada
*Runsfasterscared
*Se Stan Man Band
*She Said Destroy
*The Sky Corvair
*Stay Fucked
*Subrbias
*T3T$VO
*Trephine
*That Fucking Tank
*Three Second Kiss
*Tim Ti..Tim Timy
*Tristan da Cunha
*The Tupolev Ghost
*Vacations
*Vermillion
*Volta Do Mar
*We Are Knives
*We vs. the Shark
*Weights and Measures
*You Slut!
*You Me the Switch
*zoro
Some of these are valid (I know Oxes should be there), but really, we can't have these on the list until they're sourced or there's an article for them.
Torc2 (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Bands

message: These bands are not at all math-rock in any sense. Although Cynic is jazz-influenced, and has some technical parts in their songs, they preceded the inception of the math-rock movement. Extreme Noise Terror is blatantly not a math-rock band. There aren't even any odd-time signatures in their music, nor do they ever make mention of being influenced or defined by math-rock.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.243.108 (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: Cynic and Extreme Noise Terror

message: This article is in a parlous state.  Its inclusion criteria are massively subjective, there's not a single source, and lots of edit-warring to include or exclude bands on seemingly rather whimsical and ORish criteria.  I think this might be better off in non-list form, the better to hedge and qualify in each case, or, at the very least, work towards including a band only where multiple sources can be produced to describe them as practioners of such a style (or alleged genre).  If that's not going to be feasible, it might be the merciful thing to take it off to AFD.  Alai (talk) 03:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It could go the way of List of didgeridoo players or List of hammered dulcimer players, requiring a source for each band. Many of them are certifiably math rock and the list is too long for the Math rock article. Yes, it's an actual genre, not an alleged one. Badagnani (talk) 03:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole list is problematic 

message: I removed some bands that are blatantly not math rock, and I plan to remove some more and add some references at least. Battles is a tough one, as lots of people seem to think they are, and you could definitely find references describing them as such, but they're most certainly not, so I ed it. Should be fun. --Closedmouth (talk) 13:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although Ruins are progressive, they are highly math. I'd like to hear your justification for removing Ruins, as well as The Fucking Champs and Cap'n Jazz. Badagnani (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, well, first, none of them were referenced, so they could've been anything. Ruins: zeuhl. The Fucking Champs: nothing in their article about math rock. Cap'n Jazz: emo, maybe post-hardcore (whatever that is). If these bands are math, add 'em back with a reference stating such. --Closedmouth (talk) 09:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More removed 

message: Just wondering if these bands have been discussed before. They are both listed in their Wikipedia page as progressive rock, but honestly, that's kind of a catch-all genre, don't you think? Kind of like how alternative used to be a catch-all genre. Anyway. Just some inputs. And what about Dream Theatre? I know for a fact that Mike Portnoy utlizes 13/8 and 15/8 time signatures. Amnion (talk) 04:39, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not only about the time signatures, but the musical roots. Math rock developed from indie rock whereas progressive rock took elements from psychedelic rock as well as jazz and classical. Progressive metal, then, is descended from prog rock and metal. Of course, there's cross-pollination and bands that bridge the gap, but math rock and progressive rock/metal are distinct genres, albeit with some of the same elements. Woodroar (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: TesseracT, Karnivool

message: We at Fecking Bahamas have been trying to compile a list of all the math rock bands we can find. There's over 650, many without Wikipedia pages. The definition is of course subjective but we have our methodology. Is it worth including these? See http://feckingbahamas.com/interactive-shit/the-world-of-math — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:630:1b:6006:862b:2bff:fe01:6126 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 15 February 2015
:Probably not at this time. We generally don't link to external lists like this, unless it was some kind of official list, like if the article was "List of math rock groups according to Fecking Bahamas". Your site isn't yet considered a reliable source—though I hope that changes in time—which is another consideration. We do sometimes link to more established directories like DMOZ, but it doesn't look like they have a directory for math rock bands yet. Woodroar (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fecking Bahamas list