Talk:Frank Zappa discography

message: Note — There is a thread going on about splitting Albums into Studio albums and Live albums at Talk:Frank Zappa/Archive 7#Zappa Template. - DVdm (talk) 11:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Live and Studio

message: As I've outlined somewhere here, the lack of distinction between studio and live releases in Zappa's discography means that the release list in the infobox has to reflect this. Therefore, I've made use of the optional parameters of Template:Infobox Artist Discography to shape it in a way that seemed appropriate to me. However, this brings a few issues to the table:
* The optional sections are grouped together below the regular sections. This led to an undesirable situation where my custom section "official albums" was listed at the bottom even though it should be at the top. Therefore, I used optional sections for all release types, even the ones that had corresponding regular sections (Singles, Compilations etc.). This is slightly "hackish", since I've used the template in a way that wasn't intended, but it works. Is this a problem? if so, is there are way to work around this (e.g. change the order of the sections)?
* The Beat the Boots releases didn't fit anywhere, so I used the existing "Miscellaneous" types and listed them there. This is obviously not very elegant. How should this be solved? Should the "Miscellaneous" type be renamed to "Beat the Boots"? Should the Beat the Boots releases grouped with the compilations?
* I retrieved the numbers of each release type by counting the entries in the article. As you can see, the counted number of 85 doesn't match up with the number of 91 mentioned in the introduction. This is because the following releases are not listed: "Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar Some More", "Return Of The Son Of Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar" (both grouped together with Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar), all three "Old Masters" releases and "The MOFO Project/Object (fazedooh)". Should they be added to the list (zappa.com lists them) or should the number in the introduction be corrected?
* "Compilation albums" isn't really a fitting name, considering some official releases are compilations. However, "Non-official albums" sounds suspiciously like unauthorized bootlegs. Anybody got an idea for a name?
--Mystery Roach (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing the infobox to reflect the lack of distinction between studio and live albums

message: THIS is much better formatted than the current revision, which looks like crap. Two editors keep reverting to a disorganized revision despite it being COMPLETELY UNREADABLE. Please change it back to THIS revision. --WTF (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Could this possibly be a size of screen/browser issue? Maybe you're not seeing what others are. I say this because at first blush, I see nothing disorganized or crappy looking about the current version over the prior version you say is much better, which current version appears to give more information than the prior. I have also come across people who were reacting to some appearance issue they legitimately did not realize was only on their end. Can you expand on what in particular it is that is inferior about the current version? It's certainly not self-explanatory to me by comparing them.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC 

message: This might just be a minor issue, but I find it hard to believe that there is a reliable source that claims this compilation peaked at number 201 on the Billboard "200" for obvious reasons. I'd like to call this into question, just in case there's actually an exception to the Billboard 200's practices that I'm not aware of. However, without a source, it seems rediculous to even state this in the table. (TheNethero (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted! According to Scribd.com (see page 39) it did indeed peak at #201, but I saw no mention of Billboard 200 and I don't know how reliable Scribd is. Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 09:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Worst of the Mothers 

message: A Frank Zappa Wikiproject has been proposed here. If you would in any way help support this project, please add your name to the list found on that page. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 23:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject proposal--you can help! 

message: With all the singles being added lately, I'm starting to become kind of confused. The source that is being used doesn't necessarily correspond with what's on the page, and other sources (such as the singles section of this page, which is under "external links") have different information. I think it's high time we find a source we can all agree upon and then follow that one strictly. The problem is that the only useful information about Zappa's single releases comes from fan-made sites, and there are a lot of discrepancies between them. So which source should we use? And which singles should we list? Do promo singles count? Do singles released in countries other than the United States count? Some singles were released twice, the second one swapping the A-side and B-side; do we list both? (I'm not sure what the Wikipedia guidelines and the respective WikiProject recommend, but I will read up on that.) There are a lot of open questions that I think we should answer in order to make a list of singles we can all agree upon. --Mystery Roach (talk) 11:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "but the truth is I added them because they were actual singles released by Zappa". Sure, but according to which source? --Mystery Roach (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: Where might the Mothers' Day 2011 release of Penguin In Bondage: The Little Known History of the Mothers of Invention be included? http://pacificlectic.com/2011/05/11/zappy-mothers-day-2011/ Kmitch87 (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penguin In Bondage 

message: Anon 86.19.151.163 removed the section Cover or tribute albums by other artists because "it has got nothing to do with Zappa discography". I restored it because i.m.o. it contains valuable information. - DVdm (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really feel too strongly either way, but I'd be fine with removing it. Limiting it to albums by groups associated with Zappa (the Persuasions, Ensemble Modern, etc.) might be a good idea. Friginator (talk) 20:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My main concern would be where to put the information that would be lost. Any suggestion? (provided we would indeed remove it) - DVdm (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribute albums 

message: Can anyone add recordings Zappa made before Freak Out? They may all be under various band names, but there seem to have been quite a number of singles at least.KD Tries Again (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Recordings 

message: Are we seriously going to label Zappa's life's work "Non-posthumous albums"? Is non-posthumous even a real word? Having taken a closer look at it, it is difficult to choose a correct term, admittedly. Since it's a long list it could be split into Live albums and Studio albums. Albums that are a mixture of both are still studio albums. nagualdesign 00:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to just Live and studio albums. It used to be "Anthumous albums", which was worse than non-posthumous. There really is no good reason to stress the fact that these albums were made before he died. The future posthumous ones will automatically find their way into the next section. The list cannot be split in live and studio. See the many discussions in talk and archives. There was even an RFC about this. - DVdm (talk) 07:33, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-posthumous?! 

message: I noticed that user  (hereby pinged) is working through Zappa's album articles, standardizing the "Official Release" numbers (eg , , , ...). I have a few remarks about this standard.
* Some of these entries were put there a while ago by the same user, and are now merely replaced. No problem.
* The release numbers that I checked are correct. Source is below. No problem
* "Official Release" is not a proper noun, so the caps shouldn't be there. That's a little problem.
* Articles about multiple albums, become a bit clumsy with this standard: see the edit summary in this revert. That's a problem.
* I think that ideally, the official release number should be in the album infobox on the right of the page. I have been looking at Template:Infobox album, but I can't find a way to do it. That's a puzzle.
As an aside, many album articles have references to http://www.zappa.com/fz/discography/index.html , which does not exist anymore. It's now http://www.zappa.com/music/official . I already made two changes:  and . As can be seen with this search, there's a lot of work ahead. 
Comments welcome! - DVdm (talk) 10:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I decapped all occurrences of  to . In your future edits, please adhere to MOS:CAPS. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 09:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What's missing: "Official (R/r)elease" obviously refers to something of importance to the Zappa universe, but *WE* don't provide information to readers as to exactly what that is, rather only making mere mention of it in article after article.  Of course, someone can figure it out from the above link, but that only further pushes Wikipedia in the direction of being a source farm rather than an information resource. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  22:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. The release numbers are prominent already in the left most column of this discography article, so we don't really need this information in the separate album articles. But as they don't do much harm, I decided not to brutally undo (—the apparently silent—) user 's work. Ideally, if we keep them (—and I would not mind removing them—), they should go into the album infobox, but I can't find a proper way to do it. Any idea? - DVdm (talk) 09:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe this on Sleep Dirt could do the trick. Any objections if I work my way through the lot? - DVdm (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great improvement. Rothorpe (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Made another test. I'll go through the rest later today or -morrow... - DVdm (talk) 14:56, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Idea: perhaps, in order to avoid confusion, we could rename the article to Frank Zappa For President (album). Okay with you ? - DVdm (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:TROUT for me. Knee-jerk reaction after multiple vandalism issues. My apologies. I've reverted my revert. :-) --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, thanks a bunch! - DVdm (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard official release number 

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