Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 2

message: G'day y'all from down under. would one of you mind verifing the claims made at blah "[blah is] a word to describe a person from the province of Saskatchewan, Canada." Thanks. The bellman 05:32, 2005 Jan 7 (UTC)
: I've killed that. It strikes me as somebody trying to make a funny; it certainly isn't a standard feature of Canadian slang. Bearcat 19:15, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Blah

message: Another issue where we have to have naming consistency, but don't at present: I note that some of the provincial lieutenant governor articles refer to "lieutenant-governor" with a hyphen, and others refer to "lieutenant governor" without one. Which is the normal convention for this office, and why aren't we using that consistently? Bearcat 18:24, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Section 58 of the constituion refers to them without hyphen.  However the practice seems to very from province to province... I just checked two at random and they were different.  New Brunswick's has a hyphen  and Nova Scotia's does not . - Jord 01:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Provincial lieutenant(-)governors

message: I think the page is a bit overly busy, and besides, should discussion be taking late on the Talk page rather than the notice board itself? --Circeus 21:15, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
: I think you missed the point.  This notice board is a discussion page in its own right.  Just look at the other regional notice boards.  Most of them are full of discussions. Denelson83 22:14, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why isn't this over to the talk page?

message: I notice that Embrun, Ontario has been removed as a copyright violation (and with good reason, there's even a typo reproduced) Would a copyvio section be a good idea for pending tasks? Dhodges 01:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

message: Did we, at some point, decide that articles on lieutenant governors would refer to them by their entire title, including "The Honourable" and post-nominal letters? (See eg. Norman Kwong, Lois Hole; see also link to Lois Hole in Norman Kwong's article; see also this anon user whose only contributions have been to add this very thing to some, but not all, articles on LGs.) Bearcat 05:43, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lieutenant Governors redux 

message: Questions for y'all...on January 15, an anon user split the article on Due South into two separate articles, which treated the 1994-1996 and 1997-1999 blocks of episodes as two entirely separate television series. Samaritan and I both consulted outside references and determined that this is not consistent with the way the series was actually packaged and produced, but the Internet Movie Database does treat them this way. I reverted the changes on January 16. On January 20, the same anon user came back, and edited the article to refer to the two blocks as separate series again (although he didn't split it this time); he also added the assertion that spinning off new series with identical titles "is a common phenomenon in Canadian television". So...
# Should we treat Due South as one series or two?
# Can anybody even think of one other example of Canadian television doing what this user calls a common phenomenon? I sure as hell can't. Bearcat 06:45, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Due South]] 

message: I've been sporadically updating the Canadian current events page myself, but it really looks like something of a losing battle.  What we've got now is pretty miserable, and I'm of the opinion that unless a whole whack of us want to throw ourselves wholeheartedly at it, it might make more sense to shelve the notion of a dedicated Canadian page for the time being and unsqueamishly put Canadian news stories on the main Current events page.  Thoughts?  -The Tom 03:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whither [[Canadian current events]]? 

message: :Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons is starting to get as out of control as :Category:Canadian politicians once was. We've occasionally discussed finding ways to split the category up, but nothing's ever come of it so far. Here, then, a thought: would "Members of the Canadian House of Commons from (province)" be a good idea? That way, we could also file each category as a subset of "(province) politicians", and remove strictly federal politicians from the actual "(province) politicians" group, so as to better manage those as well. Bearcat 10:33, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea. In your last paragraph, do you mean that you will leave the current :Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons alone, or do you intend to move the current members into the new :Category:Current Members of the Canadian House of Commons? I like the idea of splitting that category into a new Historical category, but to leave the current members in the already-existing category. --Deathphoenix 14:27, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I will leave the current category alone. I already started (slowly) moving the historical ones. --YUL89YYZ 17:19, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
--How about :Category:Members of the Canadian Cabinet current and/or historicalAndyL 12:37, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A modest proposal

message: Just wanted to remind y'all that normal Wikipedia convention for articles about people is that the article should be titled with the person's most common name whenever possible. Frex, the Supreme Court justice should have been listed at Ian Binnie, not William Ian Corneil Binnie, since he's always been known as Ian professionally; the former justice minister who died last week is properly at Ron Basford rather than Stanley Ronald Basford. A person's rarely-used extra names should only go in the article title if they provide a helpful disambiguator from another person with the same name (eg. all those darned Donald Macdonalds and John Macdonalds and Angus McDonalds and John MacDougalls). The full name can go in the body of the article, but Wikipedia's stated policy is that the title goes at the common name; redirects should point from the full name to the common one, not vice versa. Bearcat 03:09, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reminder

message: JillandJack have added NPOV tags to Lower Canada Rebellion, Chateau Clique, Quebec sovereignty movement, Médard des Groseilliers, and Pierre-Esprit Radisson, yet they refuse to discuss what the problem is, exactly. They have also posted to their userpage that they will not discuss the matter with those who have perpetrated the bias - since I have asked them twice to explain themselves, and I either wrote or had a large part in writing four of those five articles, I can only assume they mean me. At the moment I assume they are just trolling and I was about to revert the NPOV tags, but hopefully the other Canadians here can help discover this mysterious bias first. Adam Bishop 19:32, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.. I removed the NPOV tags he added. He seems to have reverted some back, adding some "reasoning" to the said pages...  ✏ OvenFresh☺ 20:10, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:JillandJack]] and NPOV disputes

message: There is a large blank space before the actual list. Is the graphic at the right really needed since it is on the Premier of Ontario page? Perhaps someone could fix this page.--BrentS 03:58, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Ontario premiers]]

message: Hi, I'd appreciate any feedback you can provide at Talk:David Miller. I'm wondering if it's best to place the first image that's there right now under a subheading, and instead using an "official" image of the mayor as the first image in the article. Thanks! --Deathphoenix 19:31, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image in [[David Miller]]

message: An anon user recently changed the population figures for a number of Ontario cities to reflect a fictitious 2004 census. Most changes were subtle and not likely to be noticed if you didn't know what was going on, but one was glaringly obvious: Sudbury most certainly did not grow from 155,000 to 221,000 in just three years. Please, if you can, keep an eye on Ontario cities for these types of edits. Bearcat 00:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities in Ontario

message: I see a "Request for" Section at the top, but no "Offer ..." section. For exemple, I live in Montreal, and could easily take pictures around the University of Montreal Campus. Could a "Offer..." section be useful?  - Sepper 01:36, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for... / Offer... 

message: I think there's a strong urgency for a Bilingualism in Canada article given the historical, politican and cultural importance of the subject and the fact that the bilingualism article does not and perhaps cannot deal in detail with the Canadian aspects of the concept. AndyL 19:19, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just stubbed one in with a basic historical outline.  I'd be grateful if people could start filling in the details, and maybe add some links to fair and balanced anti-bilingualism sites to balance the GoC sites I linked to. -- Dpm64 20:16, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bilingualism

message: I’d like to get some consensus on what to do about colours in the elections charts, but I don’t want to get into a revert war, so I’ve asked people for their ideas before any changes are made. Some of the colours that are currently being used are too dark for some monitors so that it is difficult to read the text. The point of adding colours to the charts is to make it easier for readers to derive information from the charts. This goal is foiled by using colours dark enough to obscure the text. The Wikipedia style guide is clear on the issue:
:Use colour sparingly. Computers and browsers vary: you cannot know how much colour is presented on the recipient's machine if any. Wikipedia is international: colours have different meaning in different cultures. Too many colours on one page make them look cluttered and unencyclopedic. Use the colour red only for alerts and warnings.
Several people have suggested their ideas. Three specific proposals have been made. I am proposing to have a vote between these proposals and the status quo. 
Please vote and/or contribute your comments at Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867 Thanks. Kevintoronto 15:59, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tabulated the results using some of the more common vote counting methods :) - Jord 18:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Elections charts

message: On this MP's page, Rob Anders, an anonymous user has added back a link to this site http://www.voteoutanders.com/. Prevoiusly, I thought it was not a NPOV link and I removed it. It is now back. Before I remove it again I was just curious what others thought about this. Is this a fair link? Thanks, --YUL89YYZ 14:53, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
*There is also a link from the article to robanders.com, his official website, which is not NPOV either. I think that both external links are relevant to him, and that external links don't have to be NPOV, only the text of the article. All of the political party articles have links to the parties' official websites, which are also inherently NPOV. Kevintoronto 14:58, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rob Anders

message: I just created , mostly as a shameless ripping of . It looks like this:
And I'm not sure what to do with it(!). Suggestions are appreciated.
:I've added it to my user page :) - Jord 19:51, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. --Spinboy 20:18, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Quick Links 

message: I was thinking that it would be useful to have a Canada 2001 Census Article.  The content of the article would be a summary of some of the important information from that census.  One of the most useful aspects would be that wherever any article references the 2001 Census they would link to the article (would have to edit census references).  This would make it quite a bit easier to update it when the Canada 2006 Census is done.  (IE check what links to 2001 Census page).  Would also give some context to references to 2001 census.  Simarly would create  Canada 1996 Census etc... for comparison purposes  -- Webgeer 04:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Screw the Americans, let's do it! --Spinboy 05:08, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: You mean for Rambot? - Earl Andrew 18:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was going to say, I asked Ram-Man if he could get his Rambot going on Canadian community articles.  I gave him the link to the relevant information on the StatsCan website, and he basically said he would sleep on it.  Maybe we could prod him into getting the task done?  You can look at the article on Courtenay, British Columbia as a working model.  Denelson83 19:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ottawa also has a good example too. Plus it links to some of the ethnicities. - Earl Andrew 21:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Census Articles

message: Just a quick note for those Wikipedians who live in Ottawa and the valley that this Saturday @ 2pm there will be a meetup! Come on by the Meetup website and if you can attend, let us know! If not, join up anyway, and that way you'll be informed of future meetups! Thanks! --Spinboy 21:05, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ottawa Wikipedia Meetup

message: Hi everyone! Earl Andrew and I have started the WikiProject Ottawa! We'd appreciate it if you stop by and give us a hand! Thanks! --Spinboy 23:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New Wikiproject

message: Luba is already a disambiguation page for several other meanings. Should a future article on the Cancon musician be at Luba (singer) or Luba Kowalchyk? (Encyclopedia of Music in Canada: Luba; Jam! Music Encyclopedia: Luba) Samaritan 14:48, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Luba

message: Some useful resources:
*The Royal Canadian Geographical Society has a new web-based atlas: The Canadian Atlas Online. (seen on CBC web news.)
*The Government of Canada has The Atlas of Canada Site Map.
-GrantNeufeld 03:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian Atlases

message: I'd like to see some Web sources for most of the information in the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation article, such as CBC television's border zone audience in the States. Denelson83 08:34, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Canadian Broadcasting Corporation|CBC]] article submitted for [[WP:PR|peer review]]

message: Is the NPOV tag on the "Criticism" section of International Socialists (Canada) valid?70.49.88.25 22:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV dispute

message: Hello all, I got the following message the other day on my talk page, and was wonder if anyone can help, as the answers I do not know for sure. 
:Earl, since you're a Canadian, and you're interested in time zones, I'm hoping you can help me clear :up some of the misinformation in the time zone articles. My big question is: who named the Canadian :time zones? This is of particular interest because three Canadian zones have the same name as their :U.S. equivalent. So it would be useful to know whether Canada has an agreement with the U.S. about :this, or just chose the same names to avoid confusion.
:I'd also like to know who draws the boundaries. In the U.S., Congress draws them, and everybody has to :go along. I gather things are more granular in Canada, but I'd like to get specifics. 
:---Isaac R 08:00, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually four zone names shared by the two countries: PST, MST, CST, and EST.  It was the railways that first started using these names in the 1880s, and the Canadian railways did copy the names from the American railways. Legal time in Canada is under provincial and territorial jurisdiction:  it is these governments that decide zone boundaries, whether or not to use DST, and when standard changes to DST and back. All provinces and territories that use DST have copied the U.S. Congress's DST rules (1st Sun. Apr, last Sun. Oct., 02:00), presumably for the convenience of commerce and entertainment (TV schedules). Indefatigable 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Canadian railroads probably participated in naming the time zones. The Time zone article lists the establishment of five time zones in North America in 1883, the easternmost zone known as "Intercolonial" time, an obvious reference to the Intercolonial Railway of Canada from Quebec to the Maritimes. User:Luigizanasi 04:31, 25 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Timezones

message: Anyone know why this page doesn't sort properly on :Category:Regional Wikipedian notice boards?  I've looked at the wiki-source, and the sort-key is "Canadian", so I don't know why it's under the W's on the category page .. --Azkar 16:42, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting 

message: I had an email (via Jimbo) from Royal Galipeau, a Canadian politician.  He wanted to give some corrections and new articles.  I told him to edit himself of course, but it seems that he's not willing to try that.  So he's sent corrections and new articles as Word files.  I could try again to encourage him to edit, but as one of the articles is about himself it might be best for someone uninvolved to look at them first anyway.  Is someone willing to look and maybe add these articles?  Please let me know, and I can forward the docs to you.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 09:19, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian politics

message: Someone has been removing information from the Marc Emery page, claiming that it is inaccurate and biased.
Could I have some people look over this page to ensure that (i) the current edit is appropriate, and (ii) no further arbitrary deletions are made.  CJCurrie 23:37, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Marc Emery]]

message: A user created template boxes to group the current Parliamentary delegations by province. The problem User:SimonP and I discussed with them is that some of them are far too long compared to the US boxes they were modelled on (see e.g. Template:ON-FedRep), they're not easily made smaller (the Ontario box as it stands is already the result of my best effort to chop it down), and they actually go against stated Wikipedia policy that template boxes should be used to list sequential series and not groups of people or things related only by common occupation or circumstance (as per Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes). 
So, long story short, to serve the purpose of the templates in a different manner, I've started to reorganize this category into subgroups, with each article being filed into one subcategory for members grouped by province and one for members grouped by political party. When it comes to the historical ones, though, I can think of several different ways to handle that, so I wanted to bounce them off you guys for input:
# Former MPs go into new "historical members by province" and "historical members by political party" subcategories. (My main concern with this one is that "Historical Members of the Canadian House of Commons from Newfoundland and Labrador" is entirely too long to be acceptable as a category name, so the wording for these would have to change.)
# The province and party subcategories I've already created become groups of present and former MPs; add just one further category to group members of the current Parliament (without removing those people from the province and party cats). 
# Same as #2, but without a special category to list current members; just use the article Members of the Canadian House of Commons to serve that purpose. (This is arguably the easiest approach from a post-election category management standpoint, but some people do seem to like having a category for everything a category could possibly be implemented for.) 
Any thoughts? Bearcat 16:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On # 1, I would suggest calling them (e.g.) "Historical Newfoundland and Labrador MPs". Also, the territories should be one category. Not only are there few MPs, but territorial ridings have at times combined more than one territory. Plus, it will provide a category for pre-1905 MPs from what are now AB & SK (if there were any?).  Luigizanasi 16:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  FWIW, the only riding that ever crossed territorial boundaries was Yukon—Mackenzie River for just a single election.  Pre-1905, Alberta and Saskatchewan (and Assiniboia and so on) were just ridings within the Northwest Territories .  So I wouldn't see an absolute need to merge them, but it's def. an option. -The Tom 15:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I think # 2 probably makes the most sense. -The Tom 15:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons]]

message: Is there any convincing reason why Italian-Canadians should be the only cultural group within Canadian society who get their own special category to group politicians of Italian descent separately from the main category :Category:Italian-Canadians? If there is, I fail to understand it... Bearcat 04:03, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cause we are the greatest? :-) Or maybe we wanna keep the notorious away from the notable with real achievements? :-) The whole thing started at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Italian-Canadian. Luigizanasi 04:57, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Italian-Canadian politicians]]

message: Ok folks, here's my latest, I hope some of you find them useful. I have compiled a comprehensive list of all past and present members of the Canadian House of Commons.  The list contains all 3498 members of the HOC from 1867–2005. If you use these lists, be aware that they were created by a semi-automated process relying on information dumped from the database of the Library of Parliament. In most cases, only the full and formal name of members is used, so help with disambiguation or creation of suitable redirects would be much appreciated. Names of the electoral districts in particular are often incorrect, since they tend to point to the name of the community, rather than to the electoral district.  I will create a formal project page at some point for this as I have done in the past for individuals with entries in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography, but in the meantime, I challenge you all to turn some of those red wikis into blue! Cheers, Fawcett5 06:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comprehensive list of all past and present members of the Canadian House of Commons

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting has just split the Canada geography stub category. With nearly 1500 stubs, it was becoming too large to be of practical use to editors, so separate subcategories have been made for the four provinces with the most stubs (Ontario, Quebec, BC, and Alberta). We've only split these top four because none of the other provinces had a very large number of stubs, so it would have been unprofitable to split off the rest (if they get too big at a later date, they may also be split, but there's no point at the moment in making a separate stub category for eight PEI stubs, for instance). The new categories are all subcategories of :Category:Canada geography stubs, and use the following templates:
* (with redirect at )
* (with redirect at )
* (with redirect at )
* (with redirect at ).
At the moment the  areticles are yet to be sorted into these new categories, but hopefully they will be in the next week or so.
We hope this will make it easier for you 9and other editors) to find Canadian geography items to expand! Grutness...wha? 08:31, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *This British Columbian has never seen/heard "Br. Columbia" before, and so I'll second that request to use "BC" instead.  It seems analogous to using ", which would be clearly weird. -The Tom 19:36, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *For those who have an opinion one way or the other, the discussion is at: WP:WSS/C DoubleBlue (Talk) 05:04, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Apologies about Br. Columbia - it's what most of the world calls it, and it never crossed anyone's minds at the Stub sorting project that it wouldn't be known as that in Canada (a fairer analogy might be USA-stub - widely used outside the US, but rarely used there). Still, BritishColumbia-geo-stub can also be used, since one redirect to the other. BC is a bit too ambiguous though - other parts of the world call themselves BC. Grutness...wha? 09:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada geography stubs