Talk:Duchess of Cornwall

message: "The Duchess of Cornwall" is not a courtesy title. A peeress in right of her husband is as much a substantive peeress as a peeress suo jure. Donald Renouf, 02.52 11th Feb. '05 (GMT)
::When has any woman who acquired a title by being married to the male holder of the title been allowed, on that basis alone, to cast a vote in The House of Lords? If the answer is "never", then what on Earth does the word "substantive" mean? A woman who inherited a title from her father could VOTE (in the House Of Lords), right? But I agree it's not a courtesy-title, which is when a son whose father has more than one title uses one of the lesser titles even though he isn't REALLY the holder of that peerage title. It's a well-known fact to Wikipedia readers that a Writ Of Acceleration might be issued to allow that son to vote, as ACTUAL holder of a junior title instead of mere USER of it. So then, it must follow, then, must it not, that WITHOUT a Writ Of Acceleration the son of "Duke of X, Marquess of Y" has NOT ever been (not without that Writ) allowed to vote (in Lords) as Marquess of Y.2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 10:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: : To quote from Courtesy title:
:: A peer's wife takes her courtesy title based on her husband's rank, unless she herself has a higher title. Thus a baron's wife is called "baroness", an earl's wife is called a "countess", a duke's wife a "duchess", etc. Despite being referred to as a "peeress", she does not, however, become a peer "in her own right": these are 'styles', not substantive titles.
: James F. (talk) 12:14, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I know that the statement read something like once Charles becomes King that "it is intended" Camilla will be known as the Princess Consort. But didn't a recent statement from the Government say that they would recgnozie Camilla as Queen?
:As I understand it, the statement said that there was no legal impediment to her being queen. In other words, she will be queen unless legislation is enacted to prevent it, but whether she uses this title is a different matter. See her article, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall for more. Thryduulf 17:28, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Camilla 

message: I've removed this article from :Category:Dukedoms because I find that usage inaccurate. There never has and probably never can be a Duchess of Cornwall in her own right, thus only the male-gender form (Duke of Cornwall) belongs in the category. That's how I see it, at any rate, although someone please correct me if I'm putting a foot wrong here. --Mackensen (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dukedom category 

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message: "The next Duchess of Cornwall will be Kate Middleton."
It seems to me this unqualified assertion is unencyclopedic.  It assumes that Ms Middleton and the Prince marry.  However much one might wish this to happen, should Wikipedia assert that it will happen?
Wanderer57 (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's likely to happen, what with them being engaged, but not certain.  It also assumes that the Prince of Wales, Prince William, and Ms. Middleton will all outlive the current queen - that is also likely, but, again, not certain.  (If Charles predeceases his mother, William will not become Duke of Cornwall, a title which can only be held by a son of the monarch; if William predeceases the Queen, then Middleton will never become Duchess, as her husband won't be alive to be duke; obviously, if she predeceases the present queen she will never become duchess).  I agree that this should not be in the article. john k (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The next Duchess of Cornwall 

message: In most Wikipedia articles this paragraph 
---"At present, it is speculated that upon Charles' accession to the throne (if he survives the present sovereign and is then still married to The Duchess of Cornwall), that she will be styled HRH The Princess Consort, rather than the more usual HM The Queen. Alternatively, she may become Queen Consort if and when Prince Charles becomes King, but it is unknown what will transpire in the future, and whether she will openly take up the Queen title in any realm. She will of course legally be Queen whether she uses the title or not." --- 
would be deleted as being rampant speculation.
I am tempted to delete the paragraph on that ground.  Can any editor offer an argument for keeping it? Feedback please. Wanderer57 (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete. john k (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rampant Speculation 

message: I realized Diana was much loved, but Camilla is the current Duchess of Cornwall and far more known for the title than Diana ever was.  Camilla's pic really ought to be on the top.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.205.88 (talk) 06:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Put Camilla on top 

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message: So, the first sentence of this article says that in the event some future female Heir Apparent to the throne marries another female, the spouse will be known as "Duchess Of Cornwall". I rather doubt that. I haven't looked it up but I'm going to GUESS that the Succession to the Throne was changed because Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, etc. wanted it, and this is THEIR Monarch too, but that the titles "Prince Of Wales", "Princess Of Wales", "Duke Of Cornwall", "Duchess Of Cornwall", and the rest are regarded as exclusively British matters about which the U.K. is free to ignore the other Realms' preference for female equality. So the rules governing the Cornwall and Wales titles were probably left alone. And what would the rules be in the event of a female Heir Apparent? It never happened, but the people who devise these rules always knew it COULD happen: A is King, Prince B is King A's male Heir Apparent with no sons, and Princess C is Prince B's female Heiress Presumptive. Then Prince B dies. Princess C instantly becomes King A's female Heir Apparent, because she can miss out on the Throne only by dying before King A dies. She can't miss out on the Throne because someone else is born, and that's what "Apparent" means (as technical jargon). The only person who could reduce her priority in line would be a son of her father Prince B, and once her father Prince B has died it's known that he will never have any sons. This being a foreseeable occurrence despite that it never came to pass, I'm sure that everyone was going to let it happen that Princess C would simply never hold the Cornwall or Wales titles, which would then be left vacant just as they were when George VI was King, and the world kept on turning just fine even without a Duke of Cornwall or a Prince of Wales.
::Another thing that the architects of these rules would have in mind is that the inheritance would never change based on someone dying before someone else. So the Succession above, from King A to Prince B to Princess C, would be the same as if Prince B had outlived King A. To make it dependent on Prince B outliving King A would be to court disaster in the event that King A and Prince B died in, say, the same explosion. A fact-finding body would have to find out which of them died first. With the rules as they are, it wouldn't matter, although it would matter for purposes of assigning a Roman Numeral to Prince B. If he died a trillionth of a second earlier in that explosion, he was never King and gets no Roman Numeral. If he died a trillionth of a second later, then he was King for that instant and gets the Roman Numeral. We don't want the courts to have to decide who died first in a calamity (just ask any U.S.A. wills-and-estates lawyer), so rules of succession constructed so that it wouldn't matter who died first are very wise.2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 10:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs to state what happens when the Heir Apparent is female and has a male spouse