Talk:Hawaiki

message: There are some grounds for believing that Savai'i may be the original Hawaiki. The Proto-Polynesian form can reasonably be assumed to have been *Sawaiki. According to a series on Hawaiki that aired some time ago on Māori Television, there is a Sawaiki in Fiji. I have been unable to find any other references. If there is such a place, it can reasonably be assumed to be the original. It would be useful to know if the people of Tonga and Niue had the name in their traditions. If not, this would point more definitely to Savai'i in Samoa as the original Hawaiki.
:This seems to fit the pattern of Polynesian expansion. It would be interesting to know more about the Tongan hou'eiki; was there a settlement/invasion by Samoan/Savai'ian nobility? If so, it makes a more plausible scenario than to assume that Hawaiki in general is derived from the Polynesian nobility. Hawaiki the otherworld has no unequivocal connection with nobility only, and Polynesian society was stratified enough to expect that it would if there was any genetic relationship. BUT a lot of Polynesians would have preserved oral traditions of their kind originating in Samoa say around 800ish (Hawaiians preserved clear oral memory of historic events for nearly 1000 years). Dysmorodrepanis 22:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you tried the journals Archeology in Oceania, Oceanic Linguistics and Pacific Science? They should hold papers you will find useful. Dysmorodrepanis 22:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Savai'i 

message: Deleted the following sentence: 
:Mythologgy
:Some pseudo-historical theories connect Hawaiki with the lost Pacific Ocean continent of Mu 
It doesn't say which theories, in what way the two are connected, and in any event implies (through the use of the label "pseudohistorical" that the theories aren't reliable or credible anyway. In otherwords, utterly useless non-information! ElectricRay 18:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not an article about trivia. Its supposed to be about Hawaiki. Not about lost continents. Kahuroa 04:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Kahuroa. I think Wikipedia has way too much trivia, which is peripheral to the actual thing in question. Mona-Lynn 03:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Needless to say, I agree wuith Kahuroa and Mona-Lynn. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It should dispense with trivia in all its manifestations.ElectricRay 21:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudohistory

message: : Perhaps someone should make light of the connections between the Samoan Pulotu and Hawaiki variants found throughout Polynesia. As the entrance to the Samoan Pulotu is located in Savai'i and Samoans too believe of spirits leaping off a cliff from Upolu then swimming to the entrance to Pulotu in Savai'i. Also the lake and tree found in Hawaiki and Pulotu should be mentioned. These show strong connections between Pulotu in Savai'i and Hawaiki. I also think that location of Cape Reinga(the leaping point for Maori) , shows connections to the Samoan Savai'i. It's not pointing to Tahiti or Rarotonga.
:: Firstly, please USE signatures!
Secondly while Te Reinga does point physically towards Savai'i that does not mean that New Zealand Māori directly migrated from Savai'i to New Zealand otherwise Samoan and New Zealand Māori would share more vocabulary and grammatical features and cultural practices. As it stands right now, New Zealand Māori has more in common with Cook Islands Māori (southern and northern variants) and Tahitian than Samoan.
Maori rahi (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one said anything about coming "directly" from Savai'i, Samoa. For most Maori waka Tahiti and Cook islands where the last departure point but, those places are not origins, they are stepping stones. Hawaiki is origins and the linguistic evidence suggests that Samoa Savai'i is the true origin of Maori.
The Cook Islands and Tahiti are places of origin for many New Zealand Maori (let's not forget some claim to come from the land Aotearoa itself). Its like saying England is not the place of origin of the English since they came from areas now known as France, Rome and Germany. Its like saying the Samoans do not originate from Samoa - they originate from Taiwan/Formosa.Maori rahi (talk) 07:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pulotu and Hawaiki connections

message: I am not qualified to edit the Hawaiki article but am writing to to bring to attention a view on the legends relating to Hawaiki written in the late 1800's by Professor Ratzel. This may provide material for developing the article. It can be viewed at http://www.inquirewithin.biz/history/american_pacific/oceania/migration_legends.htm and other related pages. Jason127 (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Jason, thanks for the link. It's interesting stuff, but very dated, as might be expected. At least it shows how far our understanding has come since the late 1800s. It's not really legends per se, but Western reworkings of published accounts of legends gathered from very diverse locations and interpreted according to the theories prevalent at the time. A bit too far from the original legends to be of much value in expanding this article. Tho it could maybe inform an article about the changes in Western (pre-)anthropological attitudes to the peoples of the Pacific Kahuroa (talk) 06:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Material from Ratzel `The History of Mankind'

message: There is no 'savaiki' in Fiji, to my knowledge
 sauali'i ("spirits" in Sāmoan) cannot be a cognate of Savaiki
 hou'eiki ("chiefs" in Tongan) ? polynesian words have no plural, so this reference must be checked
the real name of 'Fatu Hiva' (official name) in the Marquesas, is 'Fatu iva' not 'Fatu 'iva' (where the word "iva" can be and is interpreted by locals as 'nine/9')
S. JOURDAN  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.47.107.7 (talk) 21:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some linguistic and geographical remarks 

message: The second paragraph of § Modern science and practical testing of theories begins:
: However, DNA, linguistic, botanical, and archaeological evidence indicates that the Austronesian-speaking peoples (including the Polynesians) probably originated from islands in eastern Asia, possibly from Taiwan, [refs deleted] and moved southwards and eastwards through the South Pacific Ocean. The common ancestry of all the Austronesian languages, of which the Polynesian languages form a major subgroup, as well as all Austronesian language families but Malayo-Polynesian existing only in Taiwan, support this theory.
What does the bolded text refer to? The Malayo-Polynesian family is certainly not restricted to Taiwan, nor are other Austronesian language families in general. --Thnidu (talk) 01:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's a bit of a stretch to claim such specificity. It's an example of the epistemological failure of the eurocentric culture that dominates academia, so focused on specificity that it fails to consider new information effectively, disregarding any information that doesn't agree with the 'received' narrative. 117.20.116.0 (talk) 02:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  unclear wording  

message: Kaoha nui.
The article says "there is evidence of Polynesian settlement only in Chile.[11]". 
There is indeed, much to say about possible connections between the Mapuche culture or artefacts, and the Polynesians navigators. But the link "11" leads to an article that has nothing to deal with polynesian settlement. It talks about camelids. This should be edited. Thank you.
--Papa Ru'au (talk) 23:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polynesian settlement in Mocha island 

message: I would encourage anyone interested to research the DNA of the Batak people of North Sumatra and the Ilocano people in Luzon, as they are closely related to the Polynesians. I discovered through personal research that the Batak (ID) people have 65% of their DNA the same as that of Tonga 2500BP, unlike the Javanese and Balinese who are predominantly descended from DNA found in Laos dated to 3000BP. Out of Taiwan is a nice theory, but there are other possibilities, the Batak people themselves (I'm married to one) say that they have stories about people leaving from Sumatera to both Madagascar and the Pacific, and that they have always been in Sumatra. When I first encountered the Batak people (I'm from Aotearoa New Zealand) I was stunned by the similarity of art forms and language, which sent me off down a rabbit hole. Could be enlightening to research the Indonesian Batak angle further. It certainly blew my mind and changed my perspective. Think more broadly than Taiwan. Just a tip if anyone is interested. 117.20.116.0 (talk) 02:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: that is an interesting note on the origin of the Polynesian as a whole. however, this page is on the Polynesian homeland that is probably after such, being Hawaiki. which island is Hawaiki? we do not know 808Poiboy (talk) 23:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Information 

message: the three homelands the maori say is ra'iatea, Hawaiki, and Tahiti. being that they have a name for ra'iatea which isn't it's old name, is it possible that Hawaiki, really is Hawai'i? 808Poiboy (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The three Homelands