Talk:Humphrey Kynaston

message: I have undone the edit, 15:29, 23 August 2011, of the Welsh names of Humphrey's partners. The English translation of "ap" and "ferch" had added by 132.185.240.122. The use of "ap" and "ferch" is normal and accepted in Welsh personal names and in my view it should not be within the scope of this document to explain that use. Afterall, no one would think to have to explain the "Mac" in Mackenzie (Mac being derived through Old Irish and previously Brythonic "Map" - cognate with the modern Welsh "ap". Boatgypsy (talk) 19:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriages

message: If Roger Kynaston was born "c. 1450" then he fought at Blore Heath aged only 9. Either the date of birth is wrong or he wasn't at the battle, or there's a remarkable story untold here. Whichever is the case it needs fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.172.121 (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Father's date of birth

message: "Accounts show"? What accounts? Where's the citation? This is sloppy. Furthermore, was there even a war going on in 1518?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.172.121 (talk) 15:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to this, having done a search on Kynaston, the only account I can find of his pardon dates it to 1493 (Baring-Gould). Two years' outlawry is much more plausible than 27. The 1518 pardon is looking more and more like so much piffle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.144.152 (talk) 00:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pardon in 1518

message: I've again removed the reference to HK's YOB as c. 1468. There is no credible source for this date. User submitted entries to the LDS are not a credible source, nor amateur family history sites. There is no known primary source that lists HKs year or approx. year of birth because there were no mandatory birth registers at that time. Almost no one from this period has a record of their birth. The primary source of individual's YOBs in this period are ages listed in legal documents, and that I know of there is none for HK. There is however one for HK's father, Sir Roger, placing him as born 1432/3 (conflicting with the erroneous entry on this page [that I removed] of c. 1430 and the even more baffling year of death being given 1495/1517).
The source of HKs birth as 1468 is amateur genealogists who are coming up with ballpark dates based on sources we can only guess at OR none at all. These then get distributed around the web in a mess of unsourced works.
Please do not add details on HKs birth unless you have a real source, like a post mortem or funeral certificate, neither of which are known to exist. If you do, I will delete it again.
The visitation of Shropshire (taken in the 17th C.) gives his parents marriage as 1465 and the couple are attributed 11 children. Evans gives him as the youngest son, but how do we know he is correct? To assign HK an approx. year of birth means we have to rely on a single year ref. to a marriage recorded about 150 years later, the precedence of children recorded 100s of years later AND the biggest jump is that you have to guess the order of the birth of the children. Based on that, an approx. birth of 1468 would not be possible as HK had 3 or 4 brothers. --Squirelewis (talk) 02:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Word 

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