Talk:Shego/Archive 2

message: Now, while searching for Information about Shego's character creation, I came with this video that DOES have information about the character's creation, and I'm sure something was mentioned about Shego at about 3:30 time of the video, even something about her colors (Something like "black and green... are all considered bad colors"). The BIG problem is that the video is in German. >_<
Here you have it.
Now, if you listen carefully, you can tell that the video was dubbed in German while the English voices are still on the background, yet I haven't been able to find a totally English version of this video. So... we either need to find the English version, OR we need a German translator. So far, I haven't been able to find neither, so I wondered if anyone could help to drag this information, which was requested to nominate Shego's article as a Good Article.
If obtained, you can either start a section or post the translation here, and so I can handle it. I already have some information about Shego's character, but it's definitely not enough to make a section out of it. --Alexlayer 01:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Information 

message: I came back to Shego after a few days off-line and the many changes made to the article are glaringly apparent. I do not think these changes are, as a whole, generally positive.
I know it's easy to criticize, and I know these changes are well-intentioned, but the article is getting harder to read and it's voice is drifting away from WP style. There was good progress being made the last couple of weeks, but the last few days sort of set that progress back. For the most part most of the good stuff in the article is still there, but I'd hate to see it regress further.
I know you guys are pretty good with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, so here goes.
* Overexplaination. This is in practically every new or remodeled section. Here's an example, with the excess verbiage in bold:
It is unknown what happened with Shego right after leaving her family, but from the beginning of the series Shego has been, for the most part, in the employ of Dr. Drakken as his sidekick and enforcer. It is during this stage of her life in which the series mostly resolve, leading her and Drakken to multiple confrontations against Kim Possible, with whom Shego usually fights in almost every case. Though Kim usually defeats them, they rarely get imprisoned, and even if they do, they eventually come back.
Trust your readers: You only have to describe once as long as it's done well, and information gaps (like what Shego did before she met Drakken) do not need to be described at all.
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*Overgeneralization: A lot of episode-specific examples of particular character traits and such seem to have been rewritten into short, cited references. Dropping a stark fact, then propping it up with a citation, does not make informative or compelling reading. People come to this article to learn about Shego: Show them, don't send them away!
*Grammar and Syntax. There are hanging participles, odd verbiage, subject and tense confusion and soft syntax throughout the article as well. Another example:
Despite how much Shego avows to dislike her siblings and although she would never admit it, it was highly hinted that Shego still has a sense of familial love for them that both Kim and Drakken pointed out.
Subject: Shego-- Or is it Familial Love? Who highly hints, Kim and Drakken? Past or present tense-- One per sentence, please. There are lots of other sentences just like this.
*New section: "Creation and reception." This is, frankly, a misfire. I can see what the section was trying to do, sorta: give a "Top-Down" description of Shego the character: her creation, her popularity, and her out-of-series appearances. As a section it doesn't hang together: the common thread is... well, threadbare.
The section's paragraphs read better as individual sections. The first one (creation) probably should be worked into the intro. The second one (reaction) could be put there as well, but would be better as a carefully worded "Fan Reaction" section. The third was better as it was originally: "Outside appearances."
This all boils down to one thing: Better writing and self-editing. Get topic ideas distilled down as far as they'll go, but describe important details fully. Check the champion TV articles in WP for examples of good voicing and paragraph organization. An easy first start to this end I can recommend is to take one section or paragraph at a time, re-write it in Microsoft Word with grammar checking on, then dump it back in.
The major contribs for this article are good writers-- I've seen it. You can do this. We can do this. Sbgdcom 08:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: CJK: Your fixes to "History" are just fine, and are going in the right direction. I hope I didn't overreact with the above entry. It really looked to me that some folks had gone on a tear in this article and started digging up the petunias. Tell ya what: I may start re-doing sections starting from the top one down-- not changing content, just cleaning up writing. I'm beginning to think it's not such a good idea to change content, because so much of it is apparently hard-fought consensus that changing it would be a dumb move.  'Bout one section a day or so: That's all there's time for these days, and it'll give time for peer review and such. Sbgdcom 06:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow-- Think she'd notice if I did? :) "I love that green magic! Yeaaah!" --Motor EdSbgdcom 23:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on latest article changes 

message: Alex, or anyone who knows... in building up the new sections of Shego, this has been suggested as one of the most important questions: What is Shego like in the video games or in the crossover L&S episode? Is she somewhat different? Are parts of her history brought forward that weren't there before? What are the differences? --=CJK= 23:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think she is much different in the L&S episode (I'll have to download it and watch it, anyway), but one thing I'm going to point out is her appearence in the KP:WTS videogame, in which, for some reason, her powers are portrayed as electromagnetical rather than termal (In case you ask, yes, I already beat that game), her personality wasn't much different, but the game didn't have much plot anyway. --Alexlayer 23:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In regards to What's the Switch, Wade said that he was able to manipulate Shego's powers into a grappling beam for her.  He never mentioned the other two, but, seeing as how Shego doesn't even HAVE the grappling beam until she get a Kimmunicator, it's safe to assume that Wade was responsible for ALL of her game-only powers. Maetch 23:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shego In Other Mediums 

message: What was shego like when Schooly and McCorkle first came up with the concept? Ya know the original sketches. And was Nicole Sullivan the first person to try out for Shego. We know that both creators worked on Buzzligghtyear of Star Command and Nicole did a voice on that. Is that simply coincidental? If you know tell me. And if you do I think we should add it to the Shego page :) --KPprincess 23:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! People are learning how to use the talk pages for intelligent questions! Alex and maybe me are going to add whatever we can find about her concept and design to the main page. Use this topic for any additional info. --=CJK= 00:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shego Concept & Design 

message: I kinda redid the entire thing. Luckily, if you have a major qualm, it was done all in just 4 or 5 edits. However, I think you will see the value in arranging the talk page in this way. Article related topics are the first half, Shego related the second. What do you think? --=CJK= 21:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with this is that, whenever someones clicks on the Plus + Symbol at the top of the page to start a new topic, that one is going to appear at the bottom of the page. --Alexlayer 21:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Technically, I believe, talk pages are supposed to be done with topics in chronological order.  While I'm not complaining, you probably oughta keep it in mind.  Rdfox 76 22:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it! It's organized! Sbgdcom 23:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, there's going to be some bloopers with the +, but they're fixable. As far as chronological topics were concerned, it started to get messy. There were about 20 topics! The only problem I see is that it's conceivable that there would be a topic that might go in both sections... The upside is that it's easier to archive the useless stuff now (which will usually be the second half of the page), and easier to tell who's a wikinoob by how they use the new "filing system". It could be arranged any number of ways, if someone else would like to try. --=CJK= 23:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tidying up the Talk Page

message: I'm worried about the newest paragraphs of the Personality section (The third one). Though it is well written, it does not tells anything about Shego that it's not already mentioned in the other three paragraphs. Practically, all that it does is to compare Shego with Kim and Ron, and I honestly don't think that that's really needed. --Alexlayer 22:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality Comparison 

message: Before somebody reviews this article to determine if it meets the GA criteria, make sure that all inline citations go directly after the punctuation with no spaces in between. --Nehrams2020 17:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

message: I was wondering if it would be okay if I made a part on the Shego Article for quotes. People could just write Shego quotes from various episodes. Can I?Bracelet 19:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  This is what WikiQuotes is for.  There's a link to the Shego section there in the article already.  Rdfox 76 21:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Anyone else see the obvious similarity?
:Didn't we have this section before? Other than a green suit, I see no similarity. --=CJK= 13:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't she similar to [[Viper_%28comics%29|Madame Hydra]] 

message: I know that they don't wuv each other, but how close are they? It's true that they are from different generations (Drakken = K's dad, Shego is closer to K's age), and Shego is repulsed by the idea, so romance is definitely OUT of the question. Wouldn't it be correct to say that they have a familial relationship? Shego does keep working with him, and Drakken is somewhat possessive of her. Would it be correct to say that they consider each other siblings? 
REMINDER: We've decided that they are not romantically involved so keep your strange ideas to a messageboard somewhere else. It would almost be as creepy as Kigo, but not quite. --=CJK= 14:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I know what you mean, and I'm also one of the fans that think that Shego cares more for Drakken that what she would admit. Still, this point of view of mine is only an expeculation, and adding it to the article would be braking the neutral point of view and adding original research. That's why I limit my aditions to stated facts and things we can clearly see in the show. --Alexlayer 15:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drakken & Shego... read my comments first! 

message: I've heard rumors that Warmonga is coming back in the 4th season finaly.
Also we saw hints in "Stop Go Team" that she may care about Kim.
Lot's of people think Drakken will replace Shego and she will become a goodguy in the end. DO ANY OF YOU THINK THIS IS TRUE???????? Let me know!
:Maybe, maybe not. But one way or the other nothing is to be mentioned on the article until it is shown. --Alexlayer 15:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say "rumors", I take it that you mean fans saying that this is what they want on message boards rather than the creators making cryptic comments in interviews as a taster for fans? - perfectblue 20:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will Shego turn GOOD in the last episode? 

message: We've seen the Go Team. Which (I guess) are all her brothers. But we've never heard or seen anything about her 'rents. I wanted to know if somebody on here knew anything about that.
:So far, there is absolutely no mention of Shego's parents. --=CJK= 19:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there was anything about Shego's parent, we would have add it to the articles already. So far, Shego's parents only appears in fanfictions and fanarts, but there's nothing oficially canon. --Alexlayer 22:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anyone know who Shego's parents are???? 

message: I read in the article that Shego had a look of regret that implied that She was regretful of the way things turned out. Is everyone  completly sure we should have put that? I think that when it was said that it implied that she might regret turning bad again, that is a matter of opinion. I believe that if the episode itself didn't say that she was regretful, then she probably wasn't regretful. Because Kim Possible is a fictional show, the only things that happen in the KP Universe is what is on the show. (You have no clue how hard that was to put into words!) My point is i think we should delete the part on Miss Go that says she was regretful. It didn't say she was regretful on the show, so it didn't happen. Before I deleted it, I wanted to run it through everyone. So what do you think?Bracelet 19:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Look of Regret

message: In Go Team Go why did Shego go with her brothers and Kim and Ron before Kim threatened to tell everyone she used to be a good guy?Bracelet 21:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What? Didn't Kim threaten first, and then Shego went with them? --=CJK= 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably because she wanted to know what the heck was going on, or maybe because she actually wanted to help her brothers, but found them too much to bear. Overall, it's all speculation.--Alexlayer 03:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Go Team Go