Talk:Emirate of Transjordan

message: Most of this appears to be a simple rewrite of information that appears on  and . Their copyright policies would not allow this information here, so this is a case of plagiarism that needs to be fixed. Geoffrey
I have not seen much response other than User:Branden's addition of a few paragraphs, with which, along with a tiny and possibly incorrect summary, I have replaced the page. Therefore, with modifications from the boilerplate text, I say this. -Geoffrey 01:20 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
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replies: text: I wrote that sentence.  I guess it's only unimportant if etymology is unimportant.  Ask yourself why the area *west* of the Jordan river wasn't called "trans"-Jordan.  Or don't, I guess -- evidently you feel it's better to delete stuff out of the Wikipedia than improve it through analysis.  Branden 05:17, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: The primary European access to Palestine throughout history was from the coast.  That's why the west is "this side" and the east is the "far side".  No other speculation is required.  As far as importance is concerned, as well as being more accessible the west side was more fertile, more populated, and more important economically. --Zero 10:42, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2003 discussion

message: I just want to mention here that the word Cisjordânia (derived from Cisjordan) is used in Portuguese, instead of "West Bank". So, this word did catch on outside Jordanian circles. PMLF 22:13, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cisjordan 

message: I wonder what is the different between them?
radiant guy (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transjordan & Transpalestine 

message: Why are Kirkbride and Philby in the info box?  They don't belong there.  The British person with real authority was the High Commissioner for the Mandate of Palestine, starting with Herbert Samuel.  Zerotalk 00:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British representatives 

message: I may be blind but I am having trouble discovering who this Samuel idividaul is in the opening section.
"When Samuel set up the civil mandatory government in mid-1920 he was explicitly instructed by Curzon that his jurisdiction did not include Transjordan"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.30.2 (talk) 08:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samuel 

message: The introduction to this article is not clear on the de facto creation of a "Mandate for Trans-Jordan", and the map is misleading. Sources below:
* 1922 Transjordan memorandum
* 1922 "Order defining Boundaries of Territory to which the Palestine Order-in-Council does not apply"
* 1925, Hadda Agreement, "This Agreement will remain in force for so long as His Britannic Majesty's Government are entrusted with the Mandate for Trans-Jordan"
* 1928/29, United Kingdom and the Emir of Transjordan, independence agreement of 20 February 1928 see Bentwich, "The Mandate for Transjordan", X Brit. Yb. Int'l L. (1929) 212.
* 1945, British High Court (in Jawdat Badawi Sha’ban v. Commissioner for Migration and Statistics）： “Now, Trans-Jordan has a government entirely independent of Palestine – the laws of Palestine are not applicable in Trans-Jordan nor are their laws applicable here. Moreover, although the High Commissioner of Palestine is also High Commissioner for Trans-Jordan, Trans-Jordan has an entirely independent government under the rule of an Ameer and apart from certain reserved matters the High Commissioner cannot interfere with the government of Trans-Jordan... Trans-Jordan comes within the meaning of the word ‘state’ as used in Article 15 [of the 1925 Palestinian Citizenship Order]... Trans-Jordan nationality is recognised and we know that Trans-Jordan can, as in this case, grant a person naturalisation, i.e. grant an alien or foreigner Trans-Jordan nationality which is a separate nationality and distinct from that of Palestine citizenship... Palestinians and Trans-Jordanians are foreigners and therefore Trans-Jordan must be regarded as a foreign state in relation to Palestine”
Whilst Transjordan was certainly including in the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, which as a legal document itself was not modified, it was in fact a de facto separate entity for its entire existance. In other words, there is currently confusion here between the League of Nations legal technicalities, and the actual situation in the territory. Oncenawhile (talk) 15:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What would you have us do? Is there a recommendation for a revised lead? Do you have a new map? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an issue on a bunch of related articles - sowing confusion throughout wikipedia's telling of the 1920-47 period in the region. Need a solution across all the articles - I haven't got a good answer just yet. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandate for Trans-Jordan 

message: Despite my hachet work, this section still contains quite a lot of very poor text based mostly on one source (US foreign relations publication) and not even report in that very well.  I think it largely counts as WP:SYNTH.  Also the "Status of the Emirate" contains only material that should be redistributed to other sections. Zerotalk 23:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Independence and establishment" subsection and other problems 

message: A land exchange between Jordan and Saudi Arabia took place..  We should add Saudi Arabia to the infobox.--Makeandtoss (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Land exchange

message: I understand the historical nature of "Transjordan" (although it is assumed and not explained here).  But to say "There were many urban settlements beyond the Jordan River" presumes a particular location. Could this be changed to "east of the Jordan River"? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "beyond the Jordan River" 

message: "And the other, a small Circassian community in Amman.  http://www.roughguides.com/destinations/middle-east/jordan/amman/circassians/" was introduced into the lede by  11:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a large Circassian emigration to Jordan in early 1900s, to the point where they started forming a notable part of the land's ethnic fabric. Not sure if this point is an enough reason to include this part in the lede. --Makeandtoss (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Circassians

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