Talk:Abortion/Archive 4

message: Large section of text added by User:68.229.216.75 appears to be copied from 
 and other places.  User:68.229.216.75, if you can provide a pedigree for the text including evidence of GFDL compatible licensing then I might support its use to start a new article about "postabortion depression controversy" or some such, but I don't think it belongs in the overview article. Saucepan 18:26, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Postabortion depression copyvio

message: I'm still new at this but someone erased all the links on the page including the one's to abortion by country...i assume since one can see the past version there is a way to retrieve it...could you tell me how you do it so next time i can just fix it myself?--Marcie 01:42, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: =links erased

message: I have reworded the ABC Article intro (moving part of it into Confounding Factors where it seems to be better suited) and pasted that into the Abortion article deleting the previous paragraph reversions. The reasons for the deletions is to be in compliance with Wiki formatting regarding the intro being the only thing to appear on a parent page, and because those paragraphs have been incorporated in the new article. --RoyBoy 00:28, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey man, I just got around to seeing your progress of the ABC debate article. I just wanted to take some time to thank you for maintaining my contribution, and placing it in a very appropriate spot in the debate article, which is referenced in the parent Abortion article. I think that this is a better way of organizing the information. Nice work, and let me know if I can help you at all in your future endeavors. --Howrealisreal 01:04, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks a bunch! And I thank you for not only the contribution, but also for the reversion. Because it forced me to reconsider the recent information (which I had missed in my research) in a broader context... hence the new State Laws section. I think I'm starting to feel the Wikilove. :'p Actually now that I think about it... I need help trying to come up with a good an appropriate image for the new article. The best I've come up with is a naked women covering her breasts... but isn't just about breasts, its about politics and abortion and bias and... argh! What kind of image can embody that? --RoyBoy 07:37, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe you can keep the image of the naked woman but have her holding a law book over one of her breasts, a biology book over the other, and a confused look on her face. Perhaps that is a little too politically charged? =] --Howrealisreal 19:48, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABC Article Intro 

message: References to the laws are still too american to the page...do you see many other references that specific to a country? No you don't because its been moved to that countries page. At the very most there should be a mention that women are forced to information on this is some american states. I'm sorry but that SHOULD be on an american page---and it makes sense on the debate page. So Planned Parenthood isn't neutral? None of the doctors you are using on these pages (or the next on one the debate) appear neutral at all to me or to have published neutral pages! If you want to write on a topic that can get as politicized as this one part of it is (IMHO) managing to balance the links, not just find one's that aren't political. Political pages will often do a better job of giving the character of the debate. And even if you view planned parenthood as "political" they are a well known group AND their biases are well known by the population. One way of solving this may be reintroduing the lancet article on meta analsys here.
Between this and the other page (ABC) page, i feel like there are a lot of problems. Hopefully they can be worked out...but at this point the page is blantantly POV even if such were not the goal
--Marcie 10:34, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: problems still (partial list)

message: I agree on the Elliot Institute.  That URL, when misleadingly introduced as "another good reference", has no place next to a discussion of academic quality research.  I am deleting the reference from that section in its present form, though it may yet find a place when described properly as an organization that engages in anti-abortion campaigns. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:55, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Elliot Institute

message: I have modified the categorical claim that abortion has been associated with clinical depression.  Actually the evidence on this is mixed, and tends toward the negative. A longitudinal study by the APA found no evidence of Post Abortion Syndrome.  There are many other studies that have tried and failed to find good evidence of a link. When I have time I'll write a review of the pro- and con- studies. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Clinical Depression

message: I've talked with American friends am so I'm aware that abortion is an extremely hot potato in some parts of the USA.  I've added a section illustrating the apolitical nature of the abortion debate in the UK.  British politicians do care about, and debate, issues like the improvements in technology that permit premature neonates to survive as early as mid-second trimester, but the debate lacks the edge that it possesses in the USA.  No woman in the UK need fear that politicians will take away her right to a medically sanctioned first or second trimester abortion. I feel that the debate in the UK may more properly represent that general debate than that which takes place, in the presence of extreme religious viewpoints, in the USA.  --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:51, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics and abortion

message: I basically moved two parts of an article around, the one on ptsd like symtoms. The way it was presented it was not clear that most of the bad results came from women who had already been abused in the past. After shifting the two parts i added in that other factors that still need doing show similar effects for women in those situation--Marcie 21:54, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: article rewording

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