Talk:Tawûsî Melek

message: :The Yazidis are thought to be unique in their depiction of their primary god as a bird.
Really? Christians have historically often depicted Jesus as a phoenix.  I'm removing this until at the very least there's a source for this claim.--Pharos 03:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Er... Prototokos? Through whom all things were made?82.6.24.231 (talk) 03:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: What about the depiction of the Holy Spirit as a dove? 130.127.119.37 18:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniqueness of bird depiction

message: I am very suspicious about the entire content of this article. Especially the use of cuneiform symbols in the image since its use became extinct 3 millenium ago.82.6.24.231 (talk) 03:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspicions

message: In Arabic language (and the other from Arabic derived) the word for "angel" is malak (pl. malā'ika ) while malik (pl. muluk ) means "king". No confusion is possible, although both of them show the identical consonantal frame: <M-L-K>. So the expression Malak Ṭā'ūs means only "Peacock Angel", not "Peacock King". --Cloj 09:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "tā'ūs", though having the meaning "peacock" in Persian and related languages, is in fact a cognate of the Latin word deus, meaning "god". "Malak Taus" thus literally means "God's Angel" or "God-Angel". Tajik (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Malak, non Malik

message: Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this.
If MSNBC knew about this, perhaps they would have chosen another mascot. Ha ha!
There are also some depictions of Melek Taus as a bull, but I'm not sure why exactly.  Anyone know? -Knowl  -<(I am questing for Knowledge!) (talk) 08:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NBC

message: On the Melek Taus picture, the Cuneiform that looks like four plunger's is the same cuneiform that was used for Anu, father of the gods in Sumerian mythology. Anu was the father of Enki and Enlil. What does this possibly mean? Where is the connection here? 178.201.17.154 (talk) 06:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So it means that Anu is Satan, and Enki and Enlil are Leviathan and Behemoth, respectively. 178.201.17.154 (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a modern interpretation so what does it matter? Sumerian has been a dead language since about 2600 BCE, so that's not really relevant to anything. Ogress smash! 07:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, that interpretation is original research (which we don't accept), and it completely ignores that the identification between Melek Taus and Satan is considered erroneous and sectarian: Melek Taus is the favorite servant of God in Yazidiism, Satan is more commonly an enemy of God in the Abrahamic religions.  Furthermore, it ignores that the Dingir symbol was used as a general marker for "deity."  Ian.thomson (talk) 12:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anu 

message: There are also six archangels in Zoroastrianism. They are called the Amesha Spentas.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ploxhoi (talk • contribs) 08:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Zoroastrian Comparison? Six Archangels 

message: Whoever is transforming this article into musings about the connection between Melek Taus and the Islamic devil, please stop and undo the damage. The claim that Yazidis worship the devil is slander used to fuel violence and hate. While it's perfectly fine to compare the myths of Iblis and Melek Taus, which are clearly related, it should be a minor part of this article, not the bulk of the introduction. Islamic prayers certainly do not belong here, and writing "Melek Taus/Shaitan" promotes a completely skewed point of view. --User:Pseudodoxia (talk) 12 August 2014   — Preceding undated comment added 21:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Supported. The article is written like this being Melek Taus is Satan, which I doubt, based on the obviously Mesopotamian structure of the religion, and the fact that "Satan" is a late invention of heretic Jews that later became Christians. Iblis is the Christian Satan reworked for the Arabic mythological environment, neither "Iblis" nor "Satan" existed at the root of yazidism. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is true that the concept of Satan came after Yazidism. Therefore, it doesn't make sense, but a redefining of what is and what was not the Quran's. Redoing religious history with subsequent written work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veggiesoup2 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be about Melek Taus in Yazidi belief, not the Islamic devil 

message: I'm not convinced that the picture used in the article is a a depiction actually used within the Yazidi religion or community.  Trying to find a translation of the various cuneiform writing in the lower half led me to this forum and refutation of the image as relevant.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/31577-Yezidi-Melek-Taus-(-quot-Peacock-Angel-quot-)    LordQwert (talk) 14:17, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main article picture 

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message: I don't see much written about the source of the bird.
The Arizal had a very similar looking bird, but I don't what that origin is either :
https://www.kabbalah-judaica.com/products/poster-of-home-protection-wall-tapestry-kabbalah-holy-names
According to facsimile copy of the 1855 Lemberg Sha'ar Hayichudim by Rabbi Chaim Vital, this predates the Arizal and goes back to the 11th century with Rabbi Eliezer of Worms. Pretty close to the sources for this peacock. 
Kshlomo (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the bird 

message: In the Infobox is pov-push and it should be removed. Kurdistan is very confusing and misleading for readers and Kurds is also POV because it is disputed whether the Yazidis are Kurds or not. There are Yazidis who identify themselves as a distinct ethnic group. Dortana (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would Kurdistan be confusing for people? Again your "arguments" are nonsensical (as always). Please stop reverting if you don't have consensus with you. I see it as Wikipedia:IJDLI and Wikipedia:CENSORSHIP). --Semsûrî (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: maybe they refer to that Kurdistan is not a commonly known country like Iraq or Syria, then also Kurdistan overlaps other countries and some might think that Yazidi would hail/live from/in Turkey which is not so much the case. That Yazidi are an own ethnicity is not commonly known, so to display them as such (to denote some Yazidi's feelings) in brackets beside the Kurds I'd see as a fair compromise.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Kurdistan is confusing and also not very accurate. Considerable Yazidi centres are located in Sinjar, which is not in Kurdistan, others are in the diaspora like in Germany, Russia and Armenia. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sinjar is counted as part of the geographic region of Kurdistan in most sources and maps, it was also among the regions that participated in two Kurdistan independence referendums that took place in 2005 and 2017. Additionally, seeing as Yazidi communities within the states of Iraq, Syria and Turkey hail specifically from the Kurdish parts of those countries, which are culturally classified as Kurdistan, I do not see any problems with keeping Kurdistan there. And since there are dozens of different diaspora communities, I think it is enough to name just Kurdistan, the native and traditional habitat of worshippers of this figure. KurdeEzidi (talk) 21:43, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing pov-push 

message: The article appeared in the DYK section describing Melek Taus as a God. Others describe him as an angel or the peacock angel. How can a heavenly being be attached an ethnicity of a terrestrial people? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I believe that section is not intended to show the holy being's ethnicity, but rather among which ethnic groups he is venerated among, similarly to Ahura Mazda, who obviously can not be Iranian by ethnicity, but is venerated among the Iranian peoples as implied on his infobox. KurdeEzidi (talk) 11:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity of a God? 

message: According Hamzee, M. Rezaa (1990), The Yaresan: a sociological, historical, and religio-historical study of Kurdish community, Islamische Unterschungen (74, 75) is figuere of Malek Tavus also in Yarsanist myth of creation about Adam and Eve. 
 "The Yaresan of the Kermanshah region use the name "Malek Tavus", i. e. the Peacock Angel to designate Satan."
https://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/iud/content/pageview/1330849 Dr. Ivan Kučera (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malek Tavus in Yarsanism