Talk:Toyota FJ Cruiser

message: Stated in the "Powertrain" subcategory; "Four-wheel drive models equipped with the RA61F manual transmission have a full-time 4WD system that is permanently engaged; it employs front, center and rear TORSEN differentials, with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40:60 under most driving conditions."
I own a manual 2008 Trail Teams, and as far as I know, FJ Cruisers with manual transmission have center T3 type Torsen differentials only. Can anybody confirm that they also have Torsen's on the front and rear?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patwinkle (talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Inflammatory drivel, probably made up by the poster in order to defame Toyota.  Toyota vehicles are used around the world by almost every nation and almost every political group in the world.  How are they "supporting" any poltical movement more than another?  Toyotas have been used in alot of other world conflicts against Americans.  Should we boycott them or dicipline others who own Toyotas over something that neither of these parties can control?  It's not like these people are going straight to Toyota and getting the vehicles from them for free.  They go to the Toyota dealer and buy them just like any other human on the planet.  Think about this, Toyota actually hires more American factory workers than most American car companies.  Look at Ford, they are laying off American workers to give the jobs to Mexico.  Most GMs are made in Mexico or Canada.  Many of Toyota's American lineup is made by Americans in America.  Once again this is just inflammatory drivel that has no place being on Wikipedia. Lost Cosmonaut 16:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see how the proposed edit has anything to do with the vehicle in question. It seems like the proposition is more of a political rant about based upon speculation. This is more chaos theory than fact. --ZsinjTalk 03:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual Transmission; Torsen on Front Rear and Center? 

message: I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia (possibly Europe as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser and FJ Cruiser articles as well as other Toyota articles. I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.
I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article. The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.
Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):
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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia as well) including the Land Cruiser (this includes FJ Cruiser) and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006. After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.
(End of proposed draft edit)
As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles. I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlossantos2004 (talk • contribs) 
:Inflammatory drivel, probably made up by the poster in order to defame Toyota.  Toyota vehicles are used around the world by almost every nation and almost every political group in the world.  How are they "supporting" any poltical movement more than another?  Toyotas have been used in alot of other world conflicts against Americans.  Should we boycott them or dicipline others who own Toyotas over something that neither of these parties can control?  It's not like these people are going straight to Toyota and getting the vehicles from them for free.  They go to the Toyota dealer and buy them just like any other human on the planet.  Think about this, Toyota actually hires more American factory workers than most American car companies.  Look at Ford, they are laying off American workers to give the jobs to Mexico.  Most GMs are made in Mexico or Canada.  Many of Toyota's American lineup is made by Americans in America.  Once again this is just inflammatory drivel that has no place being on Wikipedia. Lost Cosmonaut 16:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how the proposed edit has anything to do with the vehicle in question. It seems like the proposition is more of a political rant about based upon speculation. This is more chaos theory than fact. --ZsinjTalk 03:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived previous discussion 

message: What does this have to do with anything? It's not like Toyota provides them for free, in fact they don't want him using their products but can't do anything about it.--Folksong 16:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is preposterous. 

message: 1. I've never heard anybody (except Wlossantos2004) rant about the unpatriotic purchase of a Toyota on the grounds of their use by al-Qaeda and others. It's not like Ryder went out of business after the Oklahoma City attacks.
2. Toyota can't help who comes into their showrooms and buys their vehicles, and anyway, it's not like Osama bin Laden walks into the Riyadh dealership and buys 20 Land Cruisers with an Al-Qaeda By VISA credit card. 
3. Why are Toyotas (primarily Land Cruisers) used by rebel armies and insurgencies across the world anyway? Probably for the same reason they are used by the United Nations, Jurassic Park writers, and government military forces across the globe. They're very reliable, rugged, and effective, while not being obscenely expensive (okay, the Land Cruiser does cost a lot in the U.S. when you put leather and everything else in it, but they haven't always come that way everywhere). That's hardly an indictment against them. The Nazis used captured American/British Sherman tanks against us because they were effective, as well. And our #1 Axis of Evil member, Iran, has Grumman F-14 Tomcats (that we sold them). I guess we should boycott Lockheed!
4. "[T]he possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase...as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America." ?! Boy, that doesn't sound like it violates NPOV in any way, does it? Wikipedia is no place for lunatic partisan rants, especially ones that don't cite their sources. As to the detailed forms of vandalism for this reason argument, Wlossantos2004 should be careful, since his rhetoric sounds to me almost as if he's advocating such a thing, which would be a crime in the United States.Sacxpert 20:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What Toyota publishes can end up being different - you know? Fact is - I just picked up an FJ Cruiser not too long ago. In speaking with the sales staff, and seeing the list of options on the TRD Special Edition, it includes a "TRD air filter". In ordering my own FJ (and not wanting the huge markup), I came close enough to having what we owners think is better - more options (with conv. pkg and upgrade pkg 2), plus 'add ons'... even the 'regular' FJ includes:
Black Diamond exterior (if you want a 'regular' one in black diamond, you can get it)
Exterior color-keyed interior door panels and center instrument panel inserts (mine are yellow, and match)
A-TRAC and Rear Differential lock (comes with the pkg)
rock rails (accessory available with all FJs)
multi-information display (dash mounted with outside temperature, compass and inclinometer) (this comes with conv pkg)
2-1 audio with 6-disc changer and 8 speakers (comes with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
driver and front passenger front seat mounted side bolster airbags and 
first and second row curtain shield airbags (curtain airbags are accessory available with all FJs)
leather steering wheel w/audio (available with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
controls and cruise control function (available with conv pkg)
metallic shift lever (available with upgrade pkg)
keyless entry (available with conv pkg)
power outside mirror with illuminated markers (available with conv pkg)
daytime running lights (available with conv pkg)
rear privacy glass (available with conv pkg)
rear wiper (available with conv pkg)
rear intuitive parking assist (available with conv pkg)
only difference with TRD Special Edition are:
TRD tuned Bilstein shocks absorbers (which I didn't want)
TRD exhaust system (which I ordered)
TRD 16" aluminum alloy wheels (5) (17" alloy come with upgrade pkg)
TRD Special Edition badge (tailgate and dashboard mounted) (just a piece of plastic)
TRD logo all-season floor and cargo mats (only difference from regular all-season mats and cargo mat is the logo)
and the last item, not on your list, is the TRD air filter, which I also ordered - I still have the box that says "TRD" on it, if you would like a photo copy of it.
Remember this - what was published months ago can be different from what is available today (or available in different regions of the US). Rarelibra 06:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toyota: Official sponsor of fascist theocrats everywhere? Oh, please. 

message: According to Toyota:
MSRP $7,250.00 
 
Black Diamond exterior 
Exterior color-keyed interior door panels and center instrument panel inserts 
A-TRAC and Rear Differential lock 
TRD tuned Bilstein shocks absorbers 
TRD exhaust system 
TRD 16 
aluminum alloy wheels (5) 
TRD Special Edition badge (tailgate and dashboard mounted) 
TRD logo all-season floor and cargo mats 
rock rails 
multi-information display (dash mounted with outside temperature, compass and inclinometer) 
2-1 audio with 6-disc changer and 8 speakers 
driver and front passenger front seat mounted side bolster airbags and 
first and second row curtain shield airbags 
leather steering wheel w/audio 
controls and cruise control function 
metallic shift lever 
keyless entry 
power outside mirror with illuminated markers 
daytime running lights 
rear privacy glass 
rear wiper 
rear intuitive parking assist  
I don't see airfilter in here???
:What Toyota publishes can end up being different - you know? Fact is - I just picked up an FJ Cruiser not too long ago. In speaking with the sales staff, and seeing the list of options on the TRD Special Edition, it includes a "TRD air filter". In ordering my own FJ (and not wanting the huge markup), I came close enough to having what we owners think is better - more options (with conv. pkg and upgrade pkg 2), plus 'add ons'... even the 'regular' FJ includes:
Black Diamond exterior (if you want a 'regular' one in black diamond, you can get it)
Exterior color-keyed interior door panels and center instrument panel inserts (mine are yellow, and match)
A-TRAC and Rear Differential lock (comes with the pkg)
rock rails (accessory available with all FJs)
multi-information display (dash mounted with outside temperature, compass and inclinometer) (this comes with conv pkg)
2-1 audio with 6-disc changer and 8 speakers (comes with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
driver and front passenger front seat mounted side bolster airbags and 
first and second row curtain shield airbags (curtain airbags are accessory available with all FJs)
leather steering wheel w/audio (available with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
controls and cruise control function (available with conv pkg)
metallic shift lever (available with upgrade pkg)
keyless entry (available with conv pkg)
power outside mirror with illuminated markers (available with conv pkg)
daytime running lights (available with conv pkg)
rear privacy glass (available with conv pkg)
rear wiper (available with conv pkg)
rear intuitive parking assist (available with conv pkg)
only difference with TRD Special Edition are:
TRD tuned Bilstein shocks absorbers (which I didn't want)
TRD exhaust system (which I ordered)
TRD 16" aluminum alloy wheels (5) (17" alloy come with upgrade pkg)
TRD Special Edition badge (tailgate and dashboard mounted) (just a piece of plastic)
TRD logo all-season floor and cargo mats (only difference from regular all-season mats and cargo mat is the logo)
and the last item, not on your list, is the TRD air filter, which I also ordered - I still have the box that says "TRD" on it, if you would like a photo copy of it.
Remember this - what was published months ago can be different from what is available today (or available in different regions of the US). Rarelibra 06:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TRD Special Edition 

message: How exactly does this vehicle fit into the Compact SUV category?  It's larger than the Highlanders I see on the road today.  --KJRehberg 21:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Toyota now has TWO SUVs in each category: the FJ Cruiser and RAV4 in the compact class; the 4-Runner and the Highlander in the mid-size class; and the Land Cruiser and the Sequoia in the full-size class. That's just the way it is, and how they are classified. The number comparison is:
*Overall length/width/heighth: Highlander - 184.6/71.9/ 67.9 (4WD:68.3); FJ Cruiser - 183.9/74.6/71.3/72.0
*Wheelbase: Highlander - 106.9; FJ Cruiser - 105.9
*Front/rear track: Highlander - 62.2/61.6 (4WD: 62.0/61.2); FJ Cruiser - 63.2/63.6
*Head room: Highlander - 40.0/39.8/32.2 38.6/38.9/32.3; FJ Cruiser - 41.3/40.3
*Shoulder room: Highlander - 57.9/57.0/53.2; FJ Cruiser - 58.4/53.9
*Hip room: Highlander - 55.1/54.9/39.8; FJ Cruiser - 55.4/51.0
*Leg room: Highlander - 40.7/36.4/30.2; FJ Cruiser - 41.9/31.3
I know, it doesn't add up. But the Highlander has a seating capacity of 7 (some models), and the FJ Cruiser only 5. Rarelibra 21:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compact SUV category? 

message: I added this to your talk page, but I want it to be here in the article talk so that there is no confusion. This should be crystal clear:
What is a dealer invoice? 
A dealer invoice, also called a factory invoice, is the bill from an automaker to a dealer for a vehicle the dealer acquires for the purpose of selling. A genuine dealer invoice always shows the name of the manufacturer, the name of the original dealer who ordered it (name may be different from the dealership that the customer is visiting due to dealer trades/inventory balancing etc.), and the vehicle’s identification number, or VIN.
Listed on a dealer invoice are the charges the dealer must pay the manufacturer for a vehicle, and also the suggested prices the manufacturer recommends the dealer charge consumers when selling the car at retail. The manufacturer’s charges to the dealer constitute a vehicle’s invoice price. The recommended retail prices constitute the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price, or MSRP. 
What factors make up the invoice price of a vehicle? 
Invoice price is the amount a manufacturer charges a dealership for a new automobile. This sum includes the base price of a vehicle, all options added by the manufacturer, delivery (destination) charges, holdback, regional advertising assessments, and other costs such as fuel added to the tank at the factory. Some invoices even charge for the invoice itself. 
What is the difference between invoice price and base invoice price (or base price)? 
Base invoice price is the base wholesale charge to the dealer before options, preferred equipment packages (such as the TRD package), destination charges, etc. are added.
Can a dealer ask a price higher than MSRP? 
The Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is a vehicle’s retail selling price as recommended by the manufacturer. Dealer profit is built into every item; as a result, all elements of MSRP are negotiable. 
A dealer may add an additional markup to the MSRP. The extra amount appears on the dealer’s price sticker normally referred to the “side sticker” or “dealer addendum” (not on the manufacturers window sticker called the Monroney label) and may be termed a "marketing adjustment" or ”additional dealer mark-up,” etc. Such added markup amounts can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars, depending entirely upon consumer demand, product availability and what the market will bear for a specific model. To learn whether a vehicle carries an additional dealer mark-up, ask that each item on the dealer’s price sticker be identified and explained in full.
 
What are preferred equipment packages? Do all cars have them or can I order a car without a package? 
Preferred equipment packages (also known as “value equipment” or “popular equipment” packages) are different from trim level packages. A trim level package such as GT, XLT, Eddie Bauer, Limited, etc. may offer two or more preferred equipment packages to choose from. These preferred packages normally include equipment such as power windows and locks, air conditioning and stereos bundled in different groups to appeal to different buyers, and they usually offer savings over ordering the items individually. Most manufacturers require a preferred equipment package to be designated when the dealer orders a vehicle from the factory, so it is likely that a car on a franchise dealer's lot will contain some type of preferred equipment package.  
Thus, now it should be very clear that even the TRD special edition FJ Cruiser has a BASE price (or base invoice price) that the dealer incurs, PLUS the MSRP of the TRD special edition package that is added in, to reflect the invoice price or MSRP of the actual vehicle itself. Rarelibra 13:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My last edit listed the price of the TRD special edition as MSRP.  This is consistent with the information that you have provided here.  I didn't list it as base price, because it is obvious that you feel very strongly about it not being called "base price".  So what is the problem with listing it as MSRP?  This is a completely accurate and factual way to list the price.  These prices come directly off of the toyota website.  The reason that I changed it in the first place is because it seems misleading to say that the base price for the TRD edition is $24,000.  This makes it seem like you can buy a TRD for $24,000 when in reality, they are not offered under $30,000.  The base price is arbitrary when the TRD special edition is not offered at the base price.  Eli6 16:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Further education on MSRP vs Base Price

message: My father just bought a brand new FJ Cruiser (2008) with great expectations , which it easily surpassed. I added the link to the BODY CRACKING forum in the Potential Problems category but it seems to me as though this only occured in the first year of the FJ's production. I don't know if I'm right about this because the FJ was primarily built for off-road use which in extreme conditions (examples: A rock, log, or other large objects hitting the vehicle) may cause the wheel wells to crack. That is my own theory and it seems likely that that is the case. People playing in the mud with their new 4X4 who wreck it, are of course going to try to blame it on Toyota and get a free repair. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. I mean it. Leave messages on my User page. LAZZO (talk) 18:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body cracking? 

message: The RAV4 is 3300lbs curb weight. The FJ is about 4300 (my manual model). It is much closer to the Ford Explorer (A medium SUV) in weight than the RAV4.
The actual length of vehicle seems less relevant when considering vehicle "size", than weight is. I really don't think that the article's claim that Toyota is marketing the FJ next to the RAV4 as a small SUV is backed by any information from Toyota (even if it's deduced).
Also; The FJ is less an "SUV" and more of a true offroad vehicle. The FJ Cruiser is no more an SUV than a Jeep Wrangler is an SUV.
Although the radical looks may confuse the observer, the FJ was built to represent the TOYOTA offroad capability. Most people who think the FJ is an SUV find it to be less practical than what they were expecting. Like I saidl, looks can be decieving.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.223.156 (talk) 01:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FJ a SMALL suv? 

message: In regards to the name of this vehicle in China, user 91.89.156.99 says that the proper name is 'Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser' ('广汽TOYOTA FJ酷路泽' in simplified Chinese). No reference is given except his summary points to the German Wikipedia. A weblink given in the German article took me to  where it prominently displays 'FJ Cruiser' (Cruiser also given in small Chinese characters above the English word). The first 2 characters in '广汽TOYOTA FJ酷路泽' mean 'Guangzhou Automobile' (Guangzhou is a city in China, not too far from Hong Kong, where I lived for 6 years). This is similar to many other cities and countries where the city or country name is attached (eg Toyota Australia, Toyota USA). So I believe that the model name in China is simply 'FJ Cruiser', or its Chinese character equivalent 'FJ酷路泽', and that it is distributed (at least in the city of Guangzhou) by the Guangzhou-Toyota company.
So, should we leave 'Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser' in the aka field? If so, then we must also add 'Toyota Australia FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota USA FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota UK FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota Spain FJ Cruiser', 'Beijing Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'Shanghai Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'New York Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'Sydney Toyota FJ Cruiser', etc.  Stepho  (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser 

message: Sales seem to be dropping for the FJ Crusier. Fuel economy is an issue in my opinion. Why not offer a 4 cylinder Diesel engine alternative? Great torque, better fuel economy. Comments welcome.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.196.21 (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, this talk page is meant for discussions about how to improve the Wikipedia article, not for general discussions about the vehicle itself.  Stepho  (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diesel FJ Cruiser 

message: I had never seen or heard of this car before, but I noticed a few on a short trip to China, suggesting to me that they must be moderately popular there. This article mentions only Japanese and Anglosphere sales; I'm sure it could be improved. Mnealon (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: Currently the US version of the Toyota website states: FJ Cruiser has been discontinued, making the 2014 FJ Cruiser the last model year. 
http://www.toyota.com/fjcruiser
I can't find any information about it being continued in other locations. From my own experience, I know they won't be available in Canada either, but both the Canadian and Australian official Toyota websites still have the pages active.
I'm not sure if the page should be updated until everything is confirmed? 
Millsy (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In the words of Charlie Brown "Arrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!" This has been aggravating me ever since the US announcement. Yes, the LHD model made in America has been discontinued. The RHD model made in Japan continues on. The lead paragraph says "It will however continue to be made for sale in other markets such as Australia[6][7] and The Middle East.[8]" and provides 3 references. It is still listed on Toyota's Japanese website http://toyota.jp/rav4/?padid=ag001_i_carlineup_search, their Australian website http://www.toyota.com.au/rav4-interactive and many others.  Stepho  talk  23:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontinued 2014 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:FJ Cruiser 2007.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 8, 2017. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2017-08-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:FJ Cruiser 2007.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: and myself disagree about the inclusion of "with styling and off road performance reminiscent of the original Toyota Land Cruiser (FJ40)" (with book reference) in the intro. From a marketing viewpoint, I think it's styling cues being taken from the FJ40 (grill, horizontal fenders, upright front window, 'TOYOTA' badge instead of bean with hat logo) were a major reason for the vehicle's existence.  Stepho  talk  22:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  reminiscent of FJ40 

message: According to http://www.toyota.ae/new-cars/fj-cruiser/#specification it is still being sold in the United Arab Emirates. Does anybody know if they are still being made in a Japanese factory or if they are merely trying to shift old stock that was made a few years ago? We know they are no longer making LHD models for the US and that RHD drive markets have also stopped (UAE is LHD). Any other markets still selling them?  Stepho  talk  13:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Still sold in Bahrain as a 2021 model year so I doubt its old stock. Alawadhi3000 (talk) 09:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Stepho  talk  10:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still being sold in UAE 

message: The Toyota FJ Cruiser will be the last model after 2023 model year. Bachelor 200 (talk) 07:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As already mentioned in the last paragraph of the intro. Not sure about the other remaining countries.  Stepho  talk  07:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  End in Middle East on 2023