Talk:Forest of Dean

message: I've removed two instances of the Forest being represented in fiction.  Whilst such representations may occasionally achieve fame on a par with, for instance, the Yorkshire Moors' association with Wuthering Heights, it probably isn't a good idea to get into the habit of adding such references.  --Tony Sidaway 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something tells me that Harry Potter will draw far more attention than some random film or advert, so I would question your selection. RobbieG 19:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In-universe trivia

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message: The article states that Newent is in the Forest of Dean, but I dont think this is right - as it seems quite a distance away from the rest of the forest - and wonder what foresters think or what the facts are. 
Glowplug1 (talk) 06:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree (I'm not a Forester!).  There is some confusion in this article between the historic Forest - which should be the subject of this article - and the Forest of Dean District Council local authority, which is the subject of a different article and which does include Newent.  This needs to be rectified.  In the meantime I'll add a note to the top of the article.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newent in the Forest of Dean ??? 

message: Per the above discussion on Newent, I've put a tag on the Towns and villages section.  This article should cover the area of (and immediately adjoining) the historic Forest, in my view, not the larger local authority area.  If others agree, the list of towns and villages needs to be pruned to exclude those places, such as Newent, which are outside that area.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it about time this accuracy dispute was dealt with? The top of the page states that the article refers only to the 'Historic Forest' (although no meaningful definition of what this means when applied today is given) so clearly villages outside of this area should not be listed. Obscurasky (talk) 23:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done.  I removed Hartpury, Newent, Sedbury and Tutshill, which are outside (and not immediately adjoining) the historic Forest area.  Thanks for the reminder.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interests of clarity, I think what's needed in the article is a definition of what exactly the 'Historical Forest' is, in the context of the term's modern-day usage. I agree with the removal of towns such as Hartbury, Newent, etc, but what about towns/villages such as Lydney? So far as I'm aware, it's not in the Forest proper, and (presumably for that reason) the attractions there are not listed in this article.
As a side issue, I do feel that there should be space in the article for attractions such as Lydney Park and the model village. Any suggestions on how these might be incorporated?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obscurasky (talk • contribs) 20:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towns and villages section 

message: I've removed two references from the media section; "The area is reported to have an exceptionally large level of paranormal activity......" and "It is also suggested in the media that the Forest and surrounding areas are 'backward', with incest and other acts being fairly prevalent".
The claims are not encyclopaedic, are not demonstrated as being relevant to media section, and are uncited.
On the subject of media; there is much which could be added here. Obscurasky (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Media section

message: I've cleaned up this section, so that all the names come first on each line; I've removed internal links on the village names (as all are already linked earlier on the page) and I've added Warren James and David Mushet to the list. For want of a better system, I've also put them in alphabetical order - it's better than the random order they were in, but with hindsight chronological order might be better. Obscurasky (talk) 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous inhabitants

message: Andrew Davis did not "reboot" Dr Who it's Russell T Davis!!! Intresting though that like all of my favourite programs have at some point been filmed in the Forest!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.195.137.195 (talk) 15:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: There's no mention of this, the defining folk tale from the Forest. This genuinely should be described at length. Any locals on here able to recount it fully? The Forest has quite a unique closed mentality that doesn't seem to have been picked up on the internet.
A few references...
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Ezkerraldean (talk) 02:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The story is mentioned (maybe too briefly) at Ruardean, but I'm not sure it needs to be "set out at length" in other articles or that it is a "defining folk tale" - it's a local argument between Ruardean and Cinderford 120 years ago.  The issue about the area's "unique closed mentality" is probably true in some senses, and noteworthy - but we need to find reliable sources - posts on blogs don't count.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a bash at tackling this subject. Please feel free to edit if you feel it necessary. Obscurasky (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Who killed the Bear?

message: There's no mention of the geology of the area. Is anyone here sufficiently infored to write a section on this important aspect of the Forest?  Obscurasky (talk) 07:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've copied a couple of sentences over from Geology of Gloucestershire - they're not very good, and unreferenced, so it's there really as a reminder that the paragraph needs to be improved.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd forgotten I'd written this. Recently I wrote a geology and hydrology section on the Forest of Dean Coalfield page. If there's anything on that you think is useful, feel free to add it to what you've written. Obscurasky (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geology 

message: "As of October 8th 2010, the first ever woman has won the right to be classified as a Freeminer."
What's with all the "as of" everywhere? Wikipedia is not a newspaper. If you need to specify a date, why not say "on 8th October 2010, such and such happened".
Also, I seriously doubt that she was the first ever woman. Women have walked this earth for hundreds of thousands of years.
I don't know the facts to fix this section, but it does need fixing. Tomalak Geret'kal (talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I'll amend the wording.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor wording 

message: I couldn't find any record of archaeological investigation  or other reliable sources to confirm this, although a local "development plan" makes the claim which, although unsourced, I suspect came from here. Can anyone help? --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds dubious - particularly the claim that it was 'extensively mined' from that date. Obscurasky (talk) 09:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Victoria County History says: "There is little direct documentary evidence of Dean's mining industry before the mid 13th century.... Coal was being dug in several of the Forest's bailiwicks in the mid 1240s..."   If there are sources anywhere suggesting mining in 8000BC, it is more likely to have been for ochre than for coal - and then, later, for iron, which would have been smelted using charcoal, I think.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coal mining 8000 BC 

message: Official Twitter Link for Forest of Dean was supplied.
For some reason Old Moonraker cannot see the relevance of the link and assumes it to be SPAM. It is not. It provides news, events, discussion and information just as the Link to The Forester Newspaper does.
I would like to know on what basis, you are removing this link. Precisely what basis, dont just link to a list of reasons why a link might be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.2.228 (talk) 12:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a non-verified twitter account. It is not official therefore it is spam. --Τασουλα (talk) 12:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that the the policy allows much wiggle room: the feed would have to come from "The Forest of Dean" but, AFAICS, it's some sort of commercial operation to get businesses noticed, e.g., "Don't forget if you need your business retweeting just ask" and "Got any suggestions of local …  business to follow?". My grasp of new media may not be as developed as that of some contributors (and simple explanations of how it works in this context would be welcome) but that looks like WP:SPAM to me. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

text: So far as I am aware, no Twitter link is considered as a reliable source. It may be a valuable resource for Foresters (or not as the case may be), but Wikipedia is not a collection of links. It is usual to link to local (printed) newspapers and official tourist sites. The issue of commercial vs non-profit doesn't come in. Wikipedia makes no distinction there. Nor does "FREE OF CHARGE" make any difference. We do not normally allow links to advertising sites - which are virtually all FREE OF CHARGE - who is going to pay to see adverts? I am concerned at the mention of "support for local business" which suggests that there is advertising involved. I have nothing to do with Twitter, preferring to use all my phones as phones, but may see if the younger members of my family in the Forest have heard of this. As to how to appeal and complain, you are doing it here. The talk page is the correct place to start. Wikipedia operates largely by consensus, with a Mediation process if all else fails. So far as I am concerned, Old Moonraker was correct in removing the link. As were the two bots and the live editors who have removed it as well. I think consensus is against you, as is policy (which the bots are programmed to apply). Peridon (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Things that should not be external links: "Links to social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists." There is an exception, "a link to an official page of the article's subject". That would, in this case probably be a link to an FoDDC thing as the Forest of Dean itself isn't a legal entity (the Forestry area isn't the same as the DC which isn't the same as the area or entity of the Parish of St Briavels, etc). Look at WP:ELNO, and then scroll up to ELMAYBE  and ELYES. If this Twitter account is 'official', which entity is it official for? If it isn't for any of them, then I'm afraid you don't qualify. You are in a slightly dodgy position too, as the declared person who runs the thing. WP:COI (conflict of interest) doesn't forbid editing bout things you are connected with, but strongly advises not to. Peridon (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Unless the Ents of the Forest have learned to post on Twitter, in what way is this an "official" Twitter? Andy Dingley (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it was controlled by Ents I would imagine it would be a complete nightmare to ask any advice from them...how long it would take >_< Oh, and the Forest of Dean website (official) has a link and box to there twitter account. --Τασουλα (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Twitter Link is NOT spam 

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message: The Welsh translation in the English article is "Coedwig y Deon" yet under Cymraeg  htpps://cy.wikipedia,com/Fforest_y_Ddena , has it as Fforest y Ddena. and it seems unlikely that these are both synonyms in use or one is an older way of saying it (like Kampuchea/ Cambodia).
Looking at the source for the Welsh translation on the Englsh page ("Coedwig y Deon")- it is a translation dictionaty from 1861 (firstly quite outdated), and looking at the definition on Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Univerisity of Wales Dictionary) geiriadur.ac.uk, it has 'Deon' down as meaning 'dean' in the sense of Nursing or a faculty head, and may be an erronous, literal translation from the author of the dictionary, rather than a natural Toponym.
Not least: in the actual source "[1]" https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_pocket_dictionary,_Welsh-English, it does not list "Forest of Dean", "Fforest y Ddena", nor "Coedwig y Deon", and I believe this is just a case of bad translation, presumably by someone with very limited knowledge on the Welsh Language, Etymology, or Translation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackass cooper (talk • contribs) 17:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name differences in Welsh/ Gymraeg