Talk:Farther Along (The Byrds album)

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message: User Esszet seems to have a problem with the tone of a small section of the article lead. I have attempted to address their concern, by specifying that the statement regarding the rapidity with which the Byrds planned and recorded Farther Along, which itself resulted in yet another uneven record, is the opinion of band biographer Johnny Rogan (amongst many other critics). Esszet still seems unhappy with a sentence regarding the band's desire to address producer Terry Melcher's over-production on their previous album. As the preceding sentence states that the Byrdmaniax album featured a lot of orchestration, which was applied by Melcher, the following sentence, "As such, Farther Along can be seen as the band's answer to Melcher's over-production, as well as an attempt to prove that they could produce an album that they regarded as superior to Byrdmaniax" is sufficiently clear and of neutral pov, in my opinion. Esszet seems to want to amend the beginning of the sentence to, "As such, Farther Along can be seen as the band's answer to what they saw as Melcher's over-production", which seems an unnecessary and rather clunky addition to the sentence. As such I wanted to open up a discussion here about this. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:00, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you have to say that many critics regard it as uneven – you can't just say it is.  "Melcher's over-production" is also an opinion, so it has to be qualified as such. Esszet (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

text: And by the way, stop reverting so many of my edits – a lot of this is borderline ownership. Esszet (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Drmies, they are POV insofar as they are the opinion of the band itself and the band's most prominent biographer, Johnny Rogan. The article hopefully makes that clear though. Nevertheless, I have edited the section in question, so that the lede first states that orchestration was added to the band's previous album, allegedly without their consent, and then states that Farther Along was the band's answer to that overproduction. Hopefully that is more neutral sounding and makes it explicit that it is the band's POV that is being expressed. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

text: The “uneven” has to go as well. Esszet (talk) 12:07, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly don't think it does need to go; it's explicitly specified that this is Rogan's opinion, not a factual statement. However, in the interests of reaching consensus, I'll remove it by truncating the sentence a little. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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