Talk:List of governors of New Jersey

message: Hi, I haven't changed the article because you may have a better source than me but my understanding was that in 1702 Andrew Hamilton, Governor of East Jersey, was re-appointed by Parliament as Governor of NJ after it became a Royal Colony. You show a new Governor of NJ from 1703, this may be right I don't know the dates but it might be worth checking if Andrew hamilton served during 1703. AllanHainey 13:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Andrew Hamilton (New Jersey) was reappointed in 1699. In fact, he died on April 20, 1703. See . AndyZ 23:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew Hamilton

message: We all know that NJ is a strange state, but do we have to list in the last column "Governor" for each governor. Can't we just list notes, if they are necessary?Aronk 18:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  does "Governor' need to be listed for each Governor 

message: I want people to be aware of this extremely informative book:
New Jersey Historical Commission. The Governors of New Jersey 1664-1974: Biographical Essays. Trenton, NJ, The Commission, 1982. Paul A. Stellhorn and Michael J. Birkner, Editors. 
It's located at this link.  I'll be adding stubs for missing guvs based on the info in it when I have time, and I invite others to do the same while we're working on this article. Crzrussian 15:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I added it onto Template:NJCOTW. Since this week this article is the current New Jersey collaborative effort of the week, hopefully we can take care of all of the non-existant articles on this article. AndyZ 00:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bios of old guvs 

message: For a short time, the American Party (part of the Know-Nothing nativist movement) and the Republicans, joined forced to defeat the Dems, and called themselves "New Jersey Opposition".  Was this an actual party?  If so, should Newell's party designation be listed as such?  Please see http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Digital_Collections/Governors_of_New_Jersey/GNEWE.pdf for a more full description.  After looking at the bio of his successor, Charles S. Olden at http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Digital_Collections/Governors_of_New_Jersey/GOLDE.pdf, it appears that they indeed called themselves that, and we should reflect it on the list.  Anyone object? -- Sholom 04:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Jersey Opposition Party 

message: Now that WP:NJCOTW is drawing to a close, it seems as if many governor articles have been created. In fact, Richard Ingoldesby is the last one of today's did you knows. AndyZ 00:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Richard Ingoldesby

message: As per the new law, Codey and DiFransesco are now "Governors" and not just "Acting Governors", does this apply beyond the 1947 constitution to the several "Acting Governors" under the 1844 one? 68.39.174.238 12:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The law is retroactive to January 1, 2001, only. Noted in the lead. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroactivity 

message: Isn't it a bit misleading to describe McGreevey's resignation as due to a "sexual harassment incident"? john k 06:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sexual harassment? 

message: Well, I made several changes and I think the article looks pretty decent right now. A couple of issues I noticed this go 'round:
*It looks like there are some notes in the "references" section. Was this intentional or accidental? If it was accidental, I'll go ahead a fix them.
**The notes and references were entirely a work in progress; as I said, the heavy lifting was done, but those require a much finer hand. --Golbez (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to disappear from the conversation since I think my job as peer-reviewer is done. Before I go, I have to raise one more quibble. If you keep the fractions, they should all be in the same font size; some are big like 1/5, whereas others are small like ½." Please ping me on my talk page if anything else comes up that I can help with. Also, please let me know when this goes to FLC.  Finetooth (talk) 04:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sadly that is something I haven't had to deal with yet. New Jersey, in its wisdom, decided to have an unprecedented (at least in my work here) five governors share one term, and sadly, ASCII fractions only go up to 1/4. I'd like to keep it the way it is for now while we try to figure out if that whole section can be presented easier. --Golbez (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: A few more issues

message: There appears to be a gap between when William Pennington resigned to take the federal judgeship (June 19, 1815) and when Mahlon Dickerson was elected governor (October 26, 1815). No source I've found so far mentions any vice-president who was in charge for those four months. Any ideas? --Golbez (talk) 16:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, googling around I've found a William Kennedy who acted as governor during that time. --Golbez (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. I created an article on him, so William Kennedy (New Jersey) is now a blue link. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Perhaps he deserves a footnote, but only if it can be verified in a reliable source that he acted as governor. Unlike the gap during which Kennedy acted as governor, this gap was only five days in length, so the identity of the man acting as governor during that time is not particularly crucial. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 01:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but still deserving of mention. After all, we mention the guy who was governor for 90 minutes. :) --Golbez (talk) 03:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Touché. No luck on my end, either, finding anything about Upson. I suppose the present form of the footnote is the best we can get. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 04:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dickerson 

message: I think it's almost ready, I cleaned up the refs today and noticed someone had added party numbers to the legend on the WV list, which is a genius move that lets us keep the number of governors per party, without dedicating a table to it. It also makes the legend look nicer. There's one major thing that needs doing: An article on William Kennedy. It's a blacklink right now because there's a half dozen William Kennedys, none of which are the one we need, so I opted not to link it right now. Does anyone want to write an article on him? A stub would be fine. --Golbez (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also the matter of Isaac Halstead Williamson's party; he can't be a Democrat the whole time, it wasn't founded til 1824. The NJlib biography says he was initially a Federalist, but switched to Dem-Rep before becoming governor. But the Dem-Rep party also died out during his term, so the question is, when was he what? --Golbez (talk) 08:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some research and done the best I can with that one. --Golbez (talk) 08:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As Golbez indicates, the NJlib biography article that's used as a major source for Williamson's separate biography article states that he was a Federalist up to the War of 1812, but he left that party over their war opposition and was elected to the General Assembly in 1815 as a Democratic-Republican.  Up to the 1844 election, the General Assembly chose the Governor.  The Democratic-Republican Party were the majority party in the General Assembly from the War of 1812 through the 1824 election, and they would have selected a member from their own majority to replace Dickerson as Governor.  After the 1824 federal election, the Democratic-Republicans essentially split into two factions - those that supported Jackson became Jacksonian Democrats (the forerunner of the Democratic Party) and those that supported John Quincy Adams became National Republicans (or Anti-Jacksonians) and later formed the nucleus of the Whig Party.  The NJlib biography specifies that Williamson supported John Quincy Adams in the 1824 and 1828 elections.  The National Republican Party controlled the General Assembly in the late 1820's and they would have probably replaced Williamson with someone else in their majority if he wasn't a member of their faction or didn't support their agenda.  After he was replaced as Governor in 1829 when the Jacksonian Democrats gained control of the General Assembly, the NJlib biography indicates that by 1833 he was a member of the Whig Party.  Thus, instead of Williamson being listed as a "Federalist" during his entire term as Governor, he should be listed as a Democratic-Republican through at least 1824, and then he could be listed as a National Republican through the end of his term, or he could still be listed as one of the last remaining ambiguous Democratic-Republicans that remained in office during this period of party realignment.  If there aren't any evidence based objections, this party affiliation change should be made to this list.  For what it's worth, the Political Party Strength in New Jersey article lists Williamson as a Democrat during his entire term, which also should be slightly revised to reflect the correct party affiliations of the period.Deanbrook (talk) 03:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Final party issue: The first three "Federalist" governors predate the Federalist Party, founded in 1792. Now, they were obviously of the pro-admin faction, but I can't find a specific source saying so. I'm willing to just throw it up as a valid assumption. On the other hand, pro-admin was not a party, just a faction, so perhaps it's more kosher to say "no parties". --Golbez (talk) 09:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The proper term would be Independent :)XavierGreen (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't be independent of parties when no parties exist. =p --Golbez (talk) 18:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldnt everyone be independent then?XavierGreen (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Independent of what? If you asked someone before parties if they were independent, would they know what that meant? =p There were still factions, pro-admin and anti-admin, and people back then are typically labeled one of those... but on the Delaware list, we say 'no parties'. Hm. --Golbez (talk) 21:40, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, we (Wikipedia) refer to George Washington as independent even though he definitely sympathized with the Federalist faction. But in this case, I guess sticking with "Federalist" is sufficient. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Almost ready 

message: Some footnotes are missing hyperlinks and even make unclear which source they are referring to, e.g. Lundy et al., Report p. 124. Could anyone please format them properly? --Синкретик (talk) 11:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Those refer to the 'general' sources above them. So in that case, "Report p. 124" refers to Report of the Adjutant-General of the State of New Jersey for the year ending October 31st, 1906. "Lundy et. al. (1921)" refers to the link by Lundy et. al. dating from 1921. Perhaps "General" should be renamed "Bibliography" but that's what's happening there. --Golbez (talk) 14:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes with missing hyperlinks 

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