Talk:Flood control in the Netherlands

message: This article needs a serious work through and edit. It is poorly formatted and contains many POV-statements and speculation. Páll (Die pienk olifant) 22:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up and NPOV 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support as requester. User:Angr 09:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First survey (closed)

message: Duja's suggestion of moveoptions format was very good, so I'm restarting the survey portion. Please support one of the choices below, or add your own suggestion. Opposing choices is not necessary. User:Angr 09:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second survey (moveoptions format)

message: Why is everything (or almost everything) in the articles Delta Works, Oosterscheldekering, and Maeslantkering repeated here word-for-word in the "Delta Works" section? I suggest an abbreviated description and put the reference template  at each subsection. -- P199 15:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delta Works 

message: * I just added a whole bunch of mergesectionto templates throughout the article. Virtually every section in the article should be merged back into the appropriate main article. I know someone went to a lot of trouble to copy all the information from those articles into this one (and add some new information too), but it's not a good idea to maintain the same information in two different places, as the articles will get out of sync with each other. Also, consolidating so much information into one article has made this article too long; see Wikipedia:Article size. Klparrot 01:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge back into other articles 

message: Did anyone notice that the name of the article suggests that there has been a centurylong rational and nationwide operational (approach) in preventing area's to flood? In history, the Netherlands consisted out of more than 1 provinces which each had their own ways to prevent flooding. In order to get a nationwide approach they made the 'waterschappen' which was based on terretorial boundaries (and were the first political institutions which bounded the Netherlands. 
My suggestion is to change the name of the article, because there has only for a few century's been a nationwide 'controll' of flooding. I have two arguments. One is stated here above. Second is that there has not always been a state of 'controll' but also a state of 'batteling the water and making new land out of the sea'. The Dutch have got many polders and this is also described in the articele. This was mainly done because of the fact that the country was in need of more good farmland or to place new city's that could help other big city's from their overpopulation. In fact, that is not controll but a real 'battle' against the water. GeograafEN (talk) 11:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the article

message: * Actually the current article doesn't tell anyone very much. Dikes are hardly mentioned, dunes not at all, neither are 'waterschappen' though these are all a necessary part of the sea defenses in the Netherlands. Drainage Methods on the other hand is a strange inclusion as it does not describe the reasons for drainage (land subsidence) and is not directly connected to sea defence. I think we should keep the defense against sea floodings and the drainage of surplus inland water separate. The header 'currently' could mention the 'basiskustlijn' (base coastline) and the continuous sandsupplementing works as well as future projects such as extra pumping stations.The 'Notorious floods' list is a summary of the same list on deltawerken.com. If a flood had a major influence on the development of sea defenses in the Netherlands than it should be mentioned in the text. I think the list in itself has little function in this article. I'm willing to rewrite the article if I can find some sources (pointers anyone?) and the time and motivation. Reboelje (talk) 16:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * Well, I acted on my own suggestions as there were no other comments. History section largely done though still need to add something about the waterschappen (waterboards) and it could use some on topic images. I'll clean up 'modern developments' next and expand the 'currently' section. I also plan to add something about the use of inundation as military defense (Dutch Water Line), with a pointer to the main article. Could someone check and improve the work done so far, or at least improve the language as I don't have a high hat on of my language skills. :-) Reboelje (talk) 20:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: This map contradicts the other one.
Some areas seem to be below the sea level and not vulnerable to flooding ! The map shown here is wrong and should be removed.
--Laurentleap (talk) 12:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The description of the other map is a bit vague and incorrect, I improved it. That map actually shows the part of the Netherlands above NAP (which I think is actually now 10 cm below mean sea level). This (red/blue) map shows which parts of the Netherlands are vulnerable to flooding from storm surges and overflowing rivers, so includes areas that may be way above sea level. It's imprecise but I don't see where it contradicts the other map or were it is wrong (except for the file name). I actually like it better than the other map as it is clearer and more informative. However it would be much better if both maps could be combined and the information on it properly sourced. Reboelje (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To my point of view, the region around Utrecht contradict the two maps.--Laurentleap (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did a quick merge of the two maps to find any discrepancy but it seems to be fine (though the result is not exactly wiki-worthy). Utrecht is above sealevel and protected from floods. Reboelje (talk) 11:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This map (pdf) is much clearer. It shows all the areas surrounded by dikes and higher ground (Dike-rings) that are protected from flooding with their flooding risk. (Source) Reboelje (talk) 11:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing of a map

message: The required standard is proof against a 1 in 10,000 years flood in the west, and 1 in 4,000 years in less densely populated areas. This capacity is tested every 5 years. "In 2010 about 800 km of dikes out of a total of 3,500 km failed to meet the norm [standard]". So far so good. But the next sentence, makes no sense: "This does not mean there is an immediate flooding risk, it is the result of the norm becoming more strict from the results of scientific research on for example wave action and sea level rise". What it should read is "There is limited risk of flooding, as the risk of a 1 in 4,000 year flood in any one year is only 0.025%, and the required standard for dikes to meet these norms has been increasing as a result of scientific research on for example wave action and sea level rise".Royalcourtier (talk) 06:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion about testing