Talk:Spanish grammar/Archive 1

message: :In Spain "I saw you yesterday" is said te he visto ayer, and in Latin America it is te vi ayer. 
In Spain, you wouldn't use he visto with ayer.
It's a matter of aspect, I think.
Maybe What did she say? = ¿Qué ha dicho?/¿Qué dijo?.
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In fact, it is not a matter of aspect; both "he visto" (called the "pretérito perfecto")and "vi" (the "pretérito indefinido") are perfective past forms. The difference is much more of a time frame. 
"Ví" is used when the action happened in a lapse of time that it's already gone, so is used with words like "el año pasado" ("last year"), "la semana pasada" ("last week"), or "ayer" ("yesterday"). "He visto" is used when the lapse of time is still going on: "este año" ("this year"), "hoy" ("today"), etc. The only exception is when the time lapse is smaller than a day: "te he visto esta mañana" ("I saw you this morning", even when the morning is gone, but the day is still not finished). 
So, we would say "¿Qué ha dicho?" is she said something just a moment ago, or this morning, or at some time before the day ends, and "¿Qué dijo?" if that happened yestarday. 
In any case, the "pretérito perfecto" can be used when the perception of the current period of time has not yet ended; so you can say "siempre he dicho..." ("I've always said..."), since the period of time is asumed to be your lifetime, which has not ended yet. 
XC 13:47, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I shall incorporate all these verb issues into the article, probably tomorrow.  Chameleon 13:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tenses

message: Grammar of the Spanish language is redundant. Moving to [[Spanish grammar]. Nohat 20:40, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good.  Chameleon 13:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Hang on everyone.  I'm doing a massive rewrite of this entire article at the moment.  Chameleon 21:26, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've finished my edits for now.  Chameleon 23:33, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a to-do list for this article.  Chameleon 13:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: The verb section was getting very big, so I've moved it out to Spanish verbs.
Chamaeleon 12:33, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish verbs

message: We've just had a request on the talk page of the article relative pronoun for information on these pronouns in Spanish. If they are as complicated as was suggested, they would be very interesting for this comparative article. Anyone here up to doing it?  (Perhaps do it briefly there and have a fuller version here?)--Doric Loon 19:00, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll write a full explanation here and you can put a summary at relative pronoun. Chamaeleon 19:25, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Relative pronouns

message: OK, you might have noticed that I wrote most of this.  For a long time, I've been intending to finish it, and I'm going to do so now.  We have already farmed out several sections Spanish verbs, Spanish verb paradigm, etc and I think the time has come to create separate articles for every aspect of Spanish grammar.  Don't worry, they won't be stubs.  I am going to write a huge amount on each one.  — Chameleon 21:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Branching