Talk:Gulf of Sidra incident (1981)

message: Could split (or spin off) a subarticle on the Line of Death, to avoid repeating background info in the 2 Gulf of Sidra incident articles. --Uncle Ed 19:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created "Line of Death" as a redirect to the Gulf of Sidra article - it's probably the best place for the material. I don't have any good sources to hand about the details - in particular exactly what Gaddafi said in 1973. Megapixie 00:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

message: Is there any non-Navy support for claims that Libyan plane did fired a missile at all? It seems quite strange that only two fighters were assigned and only one missile launched, if Libyan really did wanted to attack. It's also noteworthy that Libyan planes didn't attacked first in all other known encounters with U.S. fighters. I don't like Libyans, but couldn't it be that U.S. pilots did attacked first, like in second Sidra incident, or by misinterpreting Libyan actions as missile launch? Is there any objective evidence of evaded missile? Did Libyan taken responsibility of attack?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.79.100.216 (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no bias. They had permission to "chase them right into the hangar" if they were fired upon according to the ROE at the time. The quoted text is Reagan's own words. Also, there is evidence that the Libyan plane fired, beyond the American pilots' testimonies, and I am about to update the article with proper references. You can maybe look at it from a modern infantryman's perspective: if someone fires at you and then turns around and runs, you can still kill the shooter because hostile intent has been established. Agsftw (talk) 03:55, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

text: And if you're going to discredited US based sources and testimony regarding military matters, you're going to have to discredit probably 100% of the sources being used to describe most modern US military events. US sources, US government agencies and the US Navy itself were the ones that reported that the initial details of the Gulf of Tonkin attacks ("the torpedo that started the Vietnam War") were incorrect...Agsftw (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: This was an incident not a battle or a war, the US didn't win it, it merely happened. The result of the incident was an increase in tension between the two nations, and probably had an effect on "In December 1981, the State Department invalidated U.S. passports for travel to Libya and, for purposes of safety, advised all U.S. citizens in Libya to leave."-from Libya – United States relations. Passionless -Talk 08:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To say the US won it would be like saying North Korea won the Bombardment of Yeonpyeong or that Israel won the USS Liberty incident. Passionless -Talk 21:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This incident can be considered a battle (as I responded in the other "Gulf of Sidra incident" article, it fits this definition:encounter battle). The Libyans had fired on US aircraft before. Some sources state that the Reagan administration was anticipating the Libyans would fire again and prepared plans for military responses against Libya proportionate to whatever actions they took against the fleet (can find that info in some of the references I'm about to include in this article.) Agsftw (talk) 04:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

text: This incident can be simplified like this: Libyan jets attack American jets; the American jets counterattack; the counterattack succeeds; both Libyan jets are destroyed; the Americans achieve a tactical victory.Agsftw (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Claims of victory

message: I noticed that the audio recording and text file with the transcript is missing.  I posted these several years ago on the Biddle history website.  Looks like that is gone now.  I would be willing to post these again if anyone knows where they can go.
NESEPer (talk) 12:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio Recording 

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message: As the AA-2 cannot be launched head-on, and surely NOT from 300 meters away (it would have not time to correct the trajectory, it's simply impossible) it is rated (as example, in the war machine encyclopedia, 1983), that that missile was unintentionally fired given the tension of the day. It's not that strange, in the past there were several even FRIENDLY missile firings: only the Sidewinders were fired atleast in 3 occasions, resulting in: 1)- a B-52 shot down by a F-100;  2) an RF-4C shot down by a F-14  3) a F-15 damaged by another F-15.
If the Su-22 would have really fight the F-14 head-on, they could have fired the NR-30, in a head-on range the firing range would have been over 1 km away. No need to fire an unrealiable missile, in a very short range firing in which none of the AAM available even today could work (1000 ft in a head-on attack!).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 (talk) 14:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Unintentional firing

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