Talk:Emilia Lanier

message: Jews in the Court, Raphael Mostel | Fri. Oct 06, 2006:
:Rowse announced his discovery in the London Times. Journalist Chaim Raphael wrote to the editor that Bassano was a common Italian Jewish name. Could Shakespeare’s lover have been Jewish?
:Research suggests the Bassano musician family were not Jewish (although there are Jews who had the surname Bassano). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish origin? 

message: http://www.forward.com/articles/13424/
Snori (talk) 06:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worth checking? 

message: Nevertheless - one gets a very interesting insight into art scene around the Globe theatre, actors and the historical time during and right after Shakespeare reading Anne Cuenos novel "Dark Lady". Material is linked top research by Alfred Leslie Rowse, specialised în historical research. She enhances the probability of the link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.203.152.31 (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novel around Shakespeare and Emilia Bassano by Anne Cueno 

message: A.L. Rowse argued that Lanyer was Shakespeare's "Dark Lady," but recent scholarship has shown this to be unlikely.  There is no direct evidence that she was "dark," and no evidence at all of any association with Shakespeare.  See David Bevington in Marshall Grossman, ed., Aemilia Lanyer, and Susanne Woods, Lanyer: A Renaissance Woman Poet.  Nonetheless, this issue continues to arise (presumably because anything that can be linked to Shakespeare, however inadequately, has wide interest).  It would be more useful, and ultimately more interesting, to treat Lanyer and her poetry in their own terms.
:"The consensus among Lanier experts is that even if her father was of Jewish heritage, she herself was not educated in Jewish texts and would not have been able to embed coded Jewish references of any sort into the plays, had she written them.  Lanier scholars welcome the growing attention to her own poetry, but categorically dismiss the theory that she wrote Shakespeare's plays." (removed due to lack of sourcing) Artaxerxes (talk) 22:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Lady

message: :==Shakespeare authorship===
:A theatrical production by The Dark Lady Players in New York in 2007, based on a thesis by John Hudson of the Shakespeare Institute at the University of Birmingham, suggested Lanier was the author of an underlying religious allegory in A Midsummer Night's Dream, and perhaps of the play itself. In April 2007, the Shakespearean Authorship Trust, founded in 1922 "to seek, and if possible establish, the truth concerning the authorship of Shakespeare’s plays and poems," added Lanier to the list of Shakespeare authorship candidates. In summer 2008, Michael Posner concluded, in a review of the theory in the Canadian arts journal The Queen's Quarterly, that "the case for Amelia Bassano Lanier is as plausible as Shakespeare’s and more plausible than many others".Michael Posner 'Rethinking Shakespeare' The Queen's Quarterly, vol. 115, no. 2 (2008) 1-15 Posner's 2010 article in Reform Judaism argued that Lanier was very likely the author of all or most of Shakespeare's plays, and asserts that she was Jewish. In summer 2010, writing in BiblioBuffet, Lev Raphael concluded there is no firm evidence that she was Jewish and challenged the basic assumptions of Posner's article.
 
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::Entire section of text removed (by another editor). --Artaxerxes (talk) 23:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entire section removed 

message: I don't have any problem with a few sentences on the Dark lady concept and even the SAQ claims (all of which are convolutedly linked to the suggestion that she was Jewish). But picking out an obscure article by someone called Michael Posner in the not-very-renowned "Queen's Quarterly" is just cherry picking (is that one of the well-known Michael Posners or an otherwise unknown one?). Here's the opening paragraph of said article:
Let's start with a not-so-trivial trivia question: apart from the fact that they were all venerable, intelligent men, what did Sigmund Freud, Charles Dickens, Henry and William James, Ralph Waldo Emerson, John Galsworthy, Sir Tyrone Guthrie, Mark Twain, Orson Welles, and Walt Whitman have in common? The answer may surprise: not one of them believed that William Shakespeare, a mere country boy from Stratford-upon-Avon, could possibly have written the works attributed to him.
That's so full of errors it raises more red flags than the cast of Les Miserables. Half of these people believed no such thing. It continues "We know, for example, that he [Strat Shakespeare] sold a load of stone to one Mr Chamberlin on 1 December 1598 for ten pence. We know that he acted in two of Ben Jonson's plays (and was booed off the stage in one of them)" Er what? Is he making this up? I love "Mr. Chamberlin" (a mixed up reference to the Stratford chamberlain's accounts) This isn't a source. It's a joke. Paul B (talk) 20:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because there's no notability about the "theory". I have no problem with her being included on the List of Shakespeare authorship candidates (I have no problem with mentioning the theories in the bio pages of the major candidates), but inserting it here seems to be coat-racking. Tom Reedy (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on deleted sections

message: On whose authority does the current image depict Lanyer? I've never seen this listed as a "photo" (anachronism) of the poet and I'm not even sure it looks like the right period. It should probably be deleted. Wtrettien (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and deleted the image. I didn't replace it with the previous miniature that was being used. There is no known contemporary image of Lanyer. Not having an image makes the page text-heavy, but it does readers a disservice to simply post random images that look vaguely like her verbal descriptions. Wtrettien (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image? 

message: I have toned down, but not removed, the statement, that Othello is named after a Jesuit named Girolamo Otello from Basano. Why? I can't easily check the source of this claim, but think it most unlikely that the name Othello was meant to remind playgoers of this obscure Jesuit. Far more likely, Shakespeare was looking for names that suggested a part of Italy heavily influenced by Spain (e.g. Rodrigo, Iago), and realised that the rare name Otello could be given a Spanish/Moorish feel by adding a H. (Spanish, unlike Italian, has a TH sound). Italian adapters of the play, like Verdi, remove the H and call the Moor "Otello". Marcasella (talk) 04:44, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Othello''  named after a Jesuit called Otello from Basano?

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message: Hi all!
I'm working on improving the Emilia Lanier wiki page. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'm going to maybe add another image, add to the biography (with sources, of course), break up some of the Poetry section with more specific headings, and probably delete a lot of the Dark Lady Theory section. That section is problematic because it distracts from Lanier and is generally unfounded. I'll explain the Dark Lady theory, but I don't think it's necessary to go into detail about Shakespeare's unrelated plays on Emilia Lanier's wiki.
I was also wondering if anyone could tell me how to, after I'm done editing, submit it to see if I can get the page rating improved. I'd like to resubmit it once I'm done to the Women Writers Project. I'm working on this as a final project for a literature course.
Thanks!
CarefulCatBird (talk) 17:19, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the rating part was resolved, but if you'd like more feedback, you can try the process at Wikipedia:Peer review or Wikipedia:Good articles. czar 02:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits and Grading?