Talk:Napalm Sticks to Kids

message: I am interested in talking with anyone who know this cadence for folklore purposes.  If you know this and are willing to talk, please feel free to email me or call me.  Serendipitousstl 13:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2007

message: Gullible.info is comprised of fake trivia  and should not be used as a source of valid information.  Kylestoneman 17:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: March 2007

message: Hey, all I know is that this cadence was still pretty damned popular in my Civil Air Patrol squadron in the late 90's.  24.47.154.230 (talk) 11:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: May 2009

message: On 2 February 2022 at 13:42 UTC,  added the categories music controversies and black comedy music to the article, but there's no reliably-sourced prose to verify them.  Before removing them IAW the verifiability policy, does anybody have a source that can support these categorizations?  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 14:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article mentions a source, claiming that the U.S. military actually went through efforts to ban this song, which proves its controversy. - User:Kjell Knudde, 15:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, primarily, that's original research.  Banning something doesn't necessarily equal controversy.  Lead paint is widely banned, now, and that article has no mention of controversy.  Fake snow made from asbestos is banned, too, yet those articles are lacking on prose or categorization mentioning controversy.  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 14:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, bans on lead and asbestos have both definitely faced controversy, chiefly from the companies producing them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C481:4640:441F:5E15:8611:2051 (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: controversy & black comedy

message: "Its verses delight in the application of superior US technology that rarely if ever actually hits the enemy" seems to be plainly apologetics; napalm definitely did hit children on multiple occasions. Remove it. 2601:642:C481:4640:441F:5E15:8611:2051 (talk) 22:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: (a) Your opinion as to "apologetics" is original research, and does not influence articular content.  (b) The quote refers to the enemy, that being the military forces of then-North Vietnam.  "Its verses delight in the application of superior US technology that rarely if ever actually hits the enemy [and instead lands on non-combatants]."  I've replaced the quote IAW the BRD cycle.  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 23:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  oh sure, pointing it out is "original research" but the original act of actually saying it wasn't? just admit you're all bootsucking imperialist dogs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C481:4640:0:0:0:4722 (talk) 03:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Barring new and substantive industry pushback, the Journal of American Folklore is a reliable source; two pseudonymous Wikipedia editors are not.  Secondly, I explained the quote.  Lastly, please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks.  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 11:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "rarely used?"

message: I saw this article listed in CAT:REF, but the ref issue(s) had already been fixed. So anyway, I decided to look for an image for the infobox in the 'Song' section, and instead, ran across these items (maybe for possible inclusion in the article in a 'Culture/Legacy' section, I don't know) — 
*An image at commons from the Helping Hand GI underground newspaper from June 1971 (mentioned in the article). 
*Senator Stephen M. Young wrote about the song in his column for the Washington C.H. Record-Herald, that was published in August 1970 (on the left side of page), which included selected lyrics from the song, and an anecdote about a helicopter pilot who wanted to mimeograph the song, but was told it wasn't "official business", and this pre-dates the June 1971 newspaper. 
*It was featured in the November 1972 edition of the underground comix Slow Death.
*It's also been featured in numerous military songbooks:
**43rd Fighter Squadron, Hornet Songbook 1980s
**37th Bomb Squadron, Bone Driver's Handbook 2002
**44th Fighter Squadron, Vampire Fighter Pilot Songbook 1999
**497th Tactical Fighter Squadron, The Hooter Songbook 1988
**335th Fighter Squadron, Chiefs Songbook 1991
*It managed to find its way into the Congressional Record 91st Congress 2nd Session  July 30 - August 7, 1970
*An article in The Kentucky Kernel from March 1970, which credits the poem to the 75th Infantry Division, rather than the 1st Cavalry Division.
*Article in The Baltimore Sun from June 15, 1970, credits the song to a group of helicopter pilots.
Anyway, I'm dropping these here for consideration. Cheers. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy moley, that's amazing!  Thanks so much for doing the legwork and sharing!  I'm not able to delve deeply into an article until probably this weekend, but I'll definitely make room then to go through this treasure.  Thanks again!  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I'd love to include that image, but it'd overwhelm the article as-is; in the meantime, I've gone ahead and created :Commons:Category:Napalm Sticks to Kids and linked there from the article.  I've included the senator's observation (especially since it backs up the timeline), but I don't think the declined mimeographing is salient?  Slow Death isn't a great source, but then again, neither is the primary source of the band itself, so at least the two coroborate each other, which is marginally better than not.  There's nothing really to cite in the song books as they're just lyrical, and the make clear their unofficial nature—copyrighting the new ones and ambiguating the status of the older ones, so I just listed them as examples of further publishing.  Before even reading the Kentucky Kernel article, I'd wanna check consensus about student newspapers and reliability.  I've expanded the article, here.  What are your thoughts?  —  Fourthords | =Λ= | 23:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Culture and/or Legacy section?