Talk:Honorary citizenship of the United States

message: I was brought to the Honorary Citizenship article via link from the article on Japanese-American Jun Fujita, which said that he received an Honorary Citizenship by an act of Congress, but his name is not included on the list in the Honorary Citizenship Article. Rgleon9986 (talk) 04:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Jun Fujita

message: Its Seven people and not six,Lata Mangeshkar singer from indiaa has also been given the Honorary Citizen of the United States.
REF:1987-Honorary Citizenship of USA in Houston, Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.92.2 (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since citizenship is gained through a naturalization process, which is under immigration, this article fits into the cateogry. I suppose that an "honors" category might be a closer fit. BTW, the article should make some distinction between these rare honorary citizenship, and the common "private bills" granting citizenship to individuals, which are also acts of congress. Willmcw 09:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old comments

message: I came here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov where is mentioned that he got this degree, but he isn't mentioned here Tbc2 04:20, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching that. As far as I can tell, a bill to make Sakharov an honorary citizn was introduced with a measly 8 co-sponsors in 2002 and died in committee.  I can't find any evidence that the bill was ever voted on in the House, much less the Senate, much less signed by the president. [Winnie and Nelson Mandela didn't make it either]. I've commented-out the item in the Sakhoarov article, pending a reference. Cheers, -Willmcw 05:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sakharov

message: Is honorary U.S. citizenship a "real" U.S. citizenship - does it carry the right to a U.S. passport or a right of abode in the United States? JAJ 01:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, so far as I can tell. However since it has only been awarded to living people twice, and neither recipient was likely to change nationality, it hasn't come up, I'm sure. -Will Beback 02:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Our article doesn't make this clear. There must be somewhere to find info on the question. --Hyphen5 16:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This file contains the original resolution, which says that it posthumously grants "full rights of citizenship" in the case of the Penns. I'm not sure what those rights would be posthumously.-Will Beback 21:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This link from the State Dept says there's no eligibility for a U.S. passport. So the strong evidence is that "honorary" U.S. citizenship is not a form of United States nationality Details (pdf) JAJ 00:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It would make sense that this is an honorarium, not an immigration status change. Of course there could be an interesting case on this if it every came to litigation.Mneumisi 17:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, if it is indeed an actual form of citizenship, the whole dual-citizenship issue arises where the honour may ultimately have to be refused if the honoree's country of citizenship does not allow dual citizenship. 118.90.61.181 (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Speaking as a lawyer, the answer is clearly no. There is no legal status or rights attached to the title. Curiously Lafayette was declared an honorary citizen though he was already a US citizen!119.224.91.84 (talk) 22:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it a "Real" Citizenship? 

message: After having the text of the 1784 Maryland statute pointed out to me, here are my conclusions, which I've incorporated into this article and the one on the Marquis de Lafayette himself:
* Maryland made Lafayette (And his male heirs until the end of time!) "natural born Citizens." I don't know what Connecticut and other states did, but the language in the Maryland resolution is clear.
* This made Lafayette a natural born citizen of the United States once the Constitution was ratified. Yes, this means that Lafayette would have been eligible for the Presidency. (And yes, before you ask, Alexander Hamilton was eligible too.)
* Thus, while we can call Lafayette an honorary citizen of the United States from 1784 on (since the granting was an honor), his is the one case in which an honorary citizenship unambiguously granted all legal rights and privileges of a non-honorary citizenship. Since the ratification of the Constitution and consequent grandfathering of all (non-symbolic) state citizenships into "natural born citizen"ship was a one-time thing, other honorary citizens a) are ineligible for the Presidency and b) may or may not have other rights of citizenship such as voting. As the article notes, they can't carry US passports. YLee (talk) 08:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: in addition, in 1784, Lafayette and his family were made honorary citizens of Connecticut (Clary, Adopted Son p. 369); note that later in 1795 Adrienne de Lafayette and the children were issued American passports. Pohick2 (talk) 22:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An interesting point, in the same vein, is that he was also offered the governorship of Lousisiana (I *think*) at some point. If memory serves, then-President Jefferson made the offer (I believe by appointment, at the time, as this was a territory). Lafayette turned it down in order to tend to simmering French affairs. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ( well he was fomenting a little dissent to Charles X of France), i wish you all wouldn't say six people, since you would have to add Adrienne de Lafayette, Georges Washington La Fayette, Anastasie, and Virginie. Pohick2 (talk) 01:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Does anyone have the legal citation of the Connecticut conferral of citizenship? I've been trying to pull it off of Westlaw with no luck. Pohick, do you still have the Clary book - Clary might provide a primary source citation? I returned it to the library over a year ago, and now want to find the text of the CT act. Thanks, Lazulilasher (talk) 01:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: no footnote, on the sentence at Connecticut, but in the passage he's citing from Lafayette's letters: Laf to GW Oct 8, 1784 Idzerda, Lafayette in the Age of Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 5:266-267, 276-277 it would be in Washington letters also. hmm, letters are not quite good enough, wonder if the state archives would have the law?  "Microfilm: 1776-1839 microfilmed as part of Records of the States of the United States. See #8 of Bibliography. - On the Web: Not yet." - microfilm might be at LOC, might check next time i swing by. Pohick2 (talk) 00:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

text: You can't delete him. Congress and the State Department both say he's an honorary citizen. I'd put him before Pulaski with an explanation of the complications and contradictory sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet more on Lafayette 

message: His mother was American, so unless she waived her American citizenship before his birth, he should be an American citizen. (24.62.126.170 (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't assume that citizenship laws, especially those concerning dual citizenship, are the same today as they were over a hundred years ago.   Will Beback  talk   21:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't Churchill an American Citizen By Birth? 

message: I've removed the section on Ferguson. That section was nothing more than trivia in disguise. I'm posting this here since it seems that section has been tolerated for 2 years or so. My reasons were in the edit summary. --64.85.216.176 (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferguson 

message: ¿What About Gerald BULL? Yes, he later had problems, but he did receive such citizenship.174.25.142.178 (talk) 21:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He became an American citizen the normal everyday way, certainly not by act of Congress. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarityfiend, your statement is incorrect. Gerald Bull indeed did become an American citizen by an Act of Congress.TL36 (talk) 09:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ¿What About Gerald BULL?

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message: This new title is very clumsy. "Citizenship of the United States"? IMO, it should be restored to Honorary citizen of the United States. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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