Talk:İsmet İnönü

message: For non-turkish the whole naming deal is difficult to understand. What was his given name?  Miralay İsmet? If so, it should be included, together with the name change. Also, in some parts the "bey" title is also used. Can somebody elaborate?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leus (talk • contribs) 13:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Name?

message: "...İnönü served for ten years as leader of the opposition before returning to power after the coup of 1960."
He returned in what function and untill when?--Cigor 12:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Prime Minister. For 4 years, I believe, until 1965. Aaрон Кинни (t) 01:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Neither. Armenian from Malatya, according to prominent historian Prof. Pars Tuglaci (Parsegh Tuglaciyan) (1933-2016), a family friend of İnönü
That's great !!! Of course, we should be a bit patriarchal. Father comes first ! Meanwhile, my granduncle is an acquaintance of Erdal Inonu and they live in the same neighborhood. So, it's time to pay a visit to my granduncle.. :) So far as I know, Erdal Inonu is suffering from an illness, but if I will be able to have the opportunity to have conversation with him, I will ask some questions regarding our issue. About his father's native language and ethnic origins etc. Whenever I will get new information, I will share it here, but that can take a couple of weeks.
Kizzuwatna 03:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehehe, I couldn't help myself. ;-) I would love to hear what he says, please keep us updated! —Khoikhoi 03:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: I actually reverted myself. —Khoikhoi 03:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's quite true. Otherwise, everyone would understand vice versa. Anyhow, changing the sequence will not make him more Turkish or Kurdish. --Kizzuwatna 03:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, of course. —Khoikhoi 03:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I have been in touch (indirectly) with members of the family.  No one ever recalls any member of the Inonu family identifying themselves as "Kurdish", there is no such record or proof other than speculation due to one side of the family coming through Malatya.  Now some here will claim to better than the family I am sure:)--Murat (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a 3rd party published source from you, just your personal opinion, again. Yet I see two references with quotes in the article, which you've continued to try to either remove or weasel word around. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish and Kurdish or Kurdish and Turkish :)

message: I've edited it to be a little clearer where I understood what the article was trying to say. In other places I've had to leave it as it was, even though I don't think it makes sense, because I'm not sure what the article is trying to say. Notably:
"After World War I he passed the Anatolia to join the Turkish nationalist movement. After the default of Ali Fuat Cebesoy to organize the local Turkish rebellious troops, he became the general commander of the western Turkish army and remained in this position during the War of Independence."
I don't know what 'passed the Anatolia' means. Does it mean he travelled through the region of Anatolia?
"the default of Ali Fuat Cebesoy to organize the local Turkish rebellious troops" doesn't make sense to me either. Does it mean that Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to organize the local Turkish troops, so İnönü did it instead? Or what? In English, default usually means either an obligation which is unfulfilled, e.g. "to default on a loan", or something which happens because of inaction, e.g. "the default option". I've never seen "default" used in the way it is in this article, you can't have a default of a person; a person has to do the defaulting. 
You could perhaps say Ali "defaulted on his obligation to organise the local Turkish troops", but I still don't think it's very good English. I think the article means something like:  "after Ali failed to organise the local Turkish Turkish troops". Or perhaps, "When Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to rise to the challenge of organising the rebellious local troops, İnönü took the task on himself, and became the general commander of the western Turkish army, a position he remained in during the War of Independence." But it could also mean something like "After Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to control the local Turkish rebellious troops, İnönü became the general commander..." It depends on whether Ali Fuat Cebesoy was a rebel himself who just wasn't very good at organising, or whether he was actually trying to stop the rebellion.
Not knowing enough about the subject, I'm asking someone who does know more about it to tidy up these sentences, please.
Thanks,
--Merlinme 16:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some of the article doesn't make a great deal of sense in English 

message: I wish here, to relate two interesting—and little known—stories of roots.
A wealthy Armenian family lived in a village of Malatya in the 1880s. The region was terrorized and harassed by Kurdish tribesmen, who regularly raided Armenian villages. Eventually, Armenians started organizing defense forces by banding together fedayees (freedom fighters) to protect the Armenian villages. An Armenian fedayee leader once approached the head of this wealthy Armenian family and asked for money to buy weapons and horses. The wealthy Armenian said that he would decide in two days whether to comply with this request or not. After two days, the fedayee returned and the wealthy Armenian refused to give any money. The fedayee promptly shoots the man. The widow of the killed Armenian man fled with her newborn son to Izmir, where she converted to Islam and raised her son with utter hatred toward Armenians. That boy grew up to be Ismet İnönü (1884-1973), the second President of Turkey after Kemal Ataturk—and perhaps one of the worst enemy of the Armenians and other minorities in Turkey, after the Ittihadist (Young Turk) leaders.
İnönü brought forth legislation called the “Wealth Tax” in 1942 (Varlik Vergisi), ostensibly to help Turkey cope with the war economy, but with the intent of ruining the minorities. The taxes were assessed based on ethnic origin—the level of taxation with respect to total capital was 232 percent for the Armenians, 184 percent for the Jews, 159 percent for the Greeks, and only a mere 4.9 percent for the Turks. The payment deadline was 15 days and anyone who could not pay was arrested and sent to the eastern provinces to work as laborers in stone quarries, building roads or tunnels. This was, in effect, a wealth transfer from the minorities to the Turks.
Many Armenians, after selling all their assets at dirt cheap prices, went bankrupt and still could not raise the required amounts and ended up at labor camps and dying there. In 1964, İnönü further oppressed the Greeks, when he deported 45,000 of them who had dual Greek and Turkish citizenship during the Cyprus crisis. They were given ten days to leave behind all their properties, assets, and belongings to leave the country with the allowed $20 and 20 kg (45 lbs) of possessions.
According to Wikipedia in French, Inönü was responsible for a 1942 tax that especially hit Jews and Christians, refused to allow Rumanian Jews refuge in Turkey, put his face on coins and stamps, made the posting of his picture in schools and government offices obligatory, and enjoyed the official title of Milli Sef, i.e. boss of the nation.
Maybe this stuff should go into the English article.
:We can even call him a dictator. You know, he didn't do anything to promote democracy (at least Atatürk tried it in even harder times of the country) and worse than all, he directly claimed to be the successor of Atatürk. He built a personality cult around Atatürk to stay in power and he was buried next to Atatürk in Anıtkabir (where he ordered the construction of... interesting detail). Then he waged war against Pan-Turkism in 1944. He was using Nazi Germany's torture devices on those people while he was discussing the position of Turkey with the Allies. It is disgusting but sadly similar to what had happened after Lenin's death. Stalin jumps on the memory of Lenin, he builds a temple to put Lenin's death body in, he creates photos to show the connection between him and Lenin and then finally he eliminates the people who are against him by showing the ideals of the country as the reason... Of course İnönü was much softer and silent than Stalin but their tricks are the same. See you, Deliogul 15:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All this seems to be a lot of judging, subjective interperetation and analysis.  He did not for example put his his face on money, treasury department did.  He should be given a little more credit for keeping Turkey out of WWI (here it is told as if he did a terrible misdeed!), he should be given a bit more credit for ushering the multi-party rule and a little more credit for building the country and infrastructure.  Maybe the axes should be ground somewhere else, even on the discussion page here, but let's keep the body of the article clean and objective.--Murat (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative points 

message: User:Hudavendigar claimed rv to proper terminology and common use.. But this isn't issue on terminology. :Category:Turkish military personnel of the Greco-Turkish War of 1919–1922 is one of the subcategories of :Category:Turkish military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence. As long as I know, İsmet Bey/Pasha participated in the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922) as "military personnel". I can say İsmet that participated in whole of Turkish War of Independence as minister. When you find sources for proving :Category:Turkish military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence, you (everyone) can put this category. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: Is/was he also known as "Ismet Bey"? 
From article: "When the 1934 Surname Law was adopted, Mustafa Kemal gave him a surname delivered from İnönü" -- and since he was [1884] "born  to Reshid (Hacı Reşit Bey) and Djevriye (Cevrye Temelli Hanım)..." 
Would this be the same person described in the Battle_of_El_Buggar_Ridge article: ..Ottoman forces at Beersheba under the command of Ismet Bey...
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This appears to be so, according to this article: Turkey in the First World War / Who's who: Ismet -- However, this article is somewhat confusing, since it alternately refers to "Mustafa İsmet", "İsmet Bey", "İsmet Paşa (İnönü)", "İsmet Paşa", and "İsmet İnönü" -- All of which seem to be talking about the same person.  If anybody understands this name-changing, please explain it in the article, and provide appropriate redirects and wikilinks to him from articles such as Battle_of_El_Buggar_Ridge.  Thanks, ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 08:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done:  the links from (above) article are done, but redirects, etc. still need attention. ~Eric F 21:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Somebody who knows the subject should add something similar to:
His name at birth was Mustafa İsmet, and he was later known by the following titles:
*İsmet Bey (from / to dates + description)
*İsmet Paşa  (from / to dates + description)
*İsmet İnönü  (from / to dates + description)
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~Thanks, Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 22:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ismet Bey? 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :İsmet İnönü's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Free":
From One-party period of the Republic of Turkey: Freedom of the Press, Freedom of the Press 2010 Draft Report, p. 2. 
From Zilan massacre: Freedom of the Press, Freedom of the Press 2010 Draft Report, p. 2. 
Reference named "Houston":
From Racism in Turkey: Christopher Houston, Islam, Kurds and the Turkish nation state, Berg Publishers, 2001, , p. 102.
From One-party period of the Republic of Turkey: Christopher Houston, Islam, Kurds and the Turkish nation state, Berg Publishers, 2001, , p. 102. Interview with Mehmet Pamak, who was the founder and president of Conservative Party (Muhafazakâr Parti) that was founded in place of Nationalist Action Party (Milliyetçilik Hareket Partisi) banned by junta regime of 1980 Turkish coup d'état. Pamak is Kurdish origin and his family was exiled from Erciş to Çanakkale. 
From Zilan massacre: Christopher Houston, Islam, Kurds and the Turkish nation state, Berg Publishers, 2001, , p. 102. Interview with Mehmet Pamak, who was the founder and president of Conservative Party (Muhafazakâr Parti) that was founded in place of Nationalist Action Party (Milliyetçilik Hareket Partisi) banned by junta regime of 1980 Turkish coup d'état. Pamak is Kurdish origin and his family was exiled from Erciş to Çanakkale. 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:01, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:İsmet İnönü]] 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: History of Socialism

message: "The signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on 23 August 1939 drew Turkey away from the Allies; the Turks always believed that it was essential to have the Soviet Union as an ally to counter Germany, and thus the signing of the German-Soviet pact undercut completely the assumptions behind Turkish security policy." The Soviet Union was not apart of the Allies until 1941. Aaron106 (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake?