Talk:Charles the Bald

message: I am no history scholar but how could Charles the Bald be suceeded by Louis II if it says he recieved the crown AFTER Louis II's death?
--24.68.196.173 06:26, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: He clearly needed a nickname because both his famous grandfather and his son were called Charles. I'm not sure if this is more than legend, but the story goes that Charles had a poem written that praised baldness as a virtue. He must have had a reason for that. Now it would be interesting to know if he got the nickname before or after the poem... --Chl 20:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm a history student at Sheffield in England and I think I can answer that one.  The epithet 'the Bald' is a sort of early medieval humour; it probably means that Charles was really hirsuite, with a full head of hair and a beard to boot!
:Do you have a reference for that? -- Chl 15:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles' 'baldness' 

message: Not specifically, but my seminar leader assures me that's the case and she's very knowledgable on early medieval England and Francia.
:Another funny name given to a "Charles" --66.218.23.59 01:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The generally accepted explanation is that Charles' baldnes did nor refer to his hair at all. The true reason is in the article: "He was born on 13 June 823 in Frankfurt, when his elder brothers were already adults and had been assigned their own regna, or subkingdoms, by their father." Charles was bald or 'naked' because there was nothing left for him to inherit. In German he is called 'Karl der Kahle'. 'kahl' translates as 'bald', 'bare', 'bleak', 'naked'. 141.13.8.14 13:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles' 'baldness' 

message: Reading through the article I came across the following sentence ...
The attempts made by Louis the Pious to assign Charles a subkingdom, first Alemannia (829), then Italy (in 832, after a rising of Lothair), and then the country between the Meuse and the Pyrenees (in 832, after the rising of Pepin I of Aquitaine). 
Attempts were what, successful? unsuccessful?  dogged with difficulty until ultimately successful?  Lacking sources myself I am obviously unable to correct it so I am posting this in the hope that someone can confirm and edit this sentence. Tyhopho 15:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. Fixed. Srnec 23:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem sentence

message: Here's a coin of Charles the Bald. Doesn't seem to have so much hair indeed. Feel free to insert it into the article. Cheers PHG (talk) 09:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Coinage

message: The article claims in two sections, that the coronation of Charles took place on December 29, but this is false, as it was December 25th 875
-- Christopher von Babenberg --  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.230.129.6 (talk) 17:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  CORONATION DATE NOT CORRECT 

message: Substituted at 11:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I understand that this article has been around for a while and that there is a dispute on the coronation date. Does anyone have an update for this? Otherwise I will attempt to find a reliable source to verify. Gmason30 (talk) 22:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coronation Date? 

message: Why was Charles the Bald so unpopular within his dominion? Is there any literary evidence to how he ruled the people? I will research this just in case there aren't any answers and I'll add it in. Gmason30 (talk) 22:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was he unpopular? 

message: has changed Charles's title from Carolingian emperor to Frankish emperor on the ground that he is trying for consistency with emperors after Charles the Fat, who were not Carolingians. This is obviously correct as the Caolingian dynasty came to an end with Charles the Fat's deposition in 888. This is no reason why Carolingian emperors should not be described as Carolingian. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Dudley Miles, I was the one who inserted the wording "Carolingian emperor" just today, and an hour later I changed it to "Frankish emperor". "Carolingian emperor" was not an age-old wording. Surtsicna (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: your edit at  cites a source in French. Wikipedia:Verifiability says "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." As there are good English language sources on Charles the Bald, including Nelson's biography, I do not think foreign language sources should be cited for this article. It makes it more difficult for readers to check and follow up sources cited. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit citing source in French 

message: Bald 
Old German
Foremost, king, prince, lord.
Also beald.
Refer to Baldr, called Foremost, Poetic Edda.
Contemporary Anglo-Saxon Chronicles Sæbald (Foremost in Victory) 2600:387:8:5:0:0:0:9D (talk) 18:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bald 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: consensus against move.  —usernamekiran (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? For what reason? Rreagan007 (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose I agree that this has elements of a trainwreck but even if we discussed all of these individually, I'd still likely oppose every single one for reasons of recognizability.  Killuminator (talk) 10:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Not at all. He was a claimant, not a monarch. The numeral is a dynastic legitimization choice. Killuminator (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I doubt piling another train in will help this discussion. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 July 2023 

message: Louis XVII should be included for moving to "Louis XVII of France". GoodDay (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. He was a claimant, not a monarch. The numeral is a dynastic legitimization choice. Killuminator (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I doubt piling another train in will help this discussion. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion