Talk:Penn Quarter

message: Why does this article sound like it's written by some real estate/development grunt rather than someone who really lives in and is committed to the neighborhood? Can someone put some soul into this and not just talk about shopping/spending options?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.242.54 (talk) 
:"Penn Quarter is home to some of the best restaurants, cultural, and entertainment venues in Washington, D.C."
:Source?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.247.58.28 (talk)  
::I agree.  While I am not qualified to be the one to change it, this whole page reads like an advertisement by someone who wholeheartedly by into the generic takeover of this neighborhood rather than an honest depiction of the area.  Other sites refrain from bolstering specific businesses.  This one does the opposite.  Very unprofessional.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.255.197 (talk) 21:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: Well, what are they?  The original article (without sources) described Penn Quarter as stretching from 15th Street all the way to 3d, somewhere alongside Pennsylvania Avenue.  The scope of the thing bounced around a bit whereupon in June 2009 an IP editor described them as 5th to 9th, south of F Street to Pennsylvania, here.  This was also unsourced but it described an area that takes in the galleries, many of the restaurants, lies within at least *view* of Pennsylvania Avenue, and has the important virtue of not impinging on big chunks of pre-existing, previously defined neighborhoods and areas like Chinatown and  Judiciary Square.  More recently a few IP editors have been editing the article to extend "Penn Quarter" north well into Chinatown, reconciling the intrusion by asserting, again without sourcing, that "many consider" Chinatown now simply to be a part of Penn Quarter.
I have been reverting these edits, asking simply that the editors provide sources for edits that literally redefine existing and established Washington DC neighborhoods.  (My own efforts to find sources were not successful.)  This is standard Wikipedia policy - citing reliable and verifiable sources for edits.  Personal knowledge of Wikipedia editors, no matter how strongly held, is not sufficient to support an edit of such scope.  I am going to edit the change again, this time not simply undoing it, but instead simply to keep "Penn Quarter" south of Chinatown and also to change the tone to something more suitable to the encyclopedia.  Please discuss further edits here before making them.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:05, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also again removed the unreliably sourced estimate of the residential population and restored the wikilink to PADC, which was inexplicably removed.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Boundaries

message: I've pretty much reverted a series of good faith edits by an IP editor, partly for technical reasons (restoring wikilinks to various Metro stations) and partly for more general reasons.  The edits were largely unsourced (apparently based on the editor's knowledge as a former employee of the PADC and Penn Quarter Neighborhood Association), and while they do not seem controversial, they suffered from a little bit of puffery  ("the cultural and entertainment center of the region") and most critically, added a lot of detail about the history of PADC efforts regarding areas that aren't Penn Quarter - e.g., the Willard, Canadian Embassy, without explaining how those efforts bear upon the subject of the article.  (I can't supply that connection because I don't know it.)  On the whole they edits seemed to clutter the article rather than clarify it - they'd be much more suited to an article on PADC (which I don't think exists here).   JohnInDC (talk) 11:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits of Feb 2012