Talk:Shanghaiing

message: In French, the verb "shangaïer" has been in use for a long time to refer precisely to what this article describes. I don't know its origin. I've also heard, rarely, the verb "enshangaïer". The prefix "en" is added to indicate the idea of "bringing in" (such as is "enroll", "involve", "entice", etc...). The spelling "changailler" (totally frenchized based on phonetics) was reported to me by a colleague, but I have never seen it myself.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.92.4 (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French 

message: At first glance, it seems a bit unlikely that ships would shanghai someone who was not already a sailor -- even without salary, a landman would not likely be worth the food he'd eat on the voyage, and would get in everyone's way.  How credible are the sources?  David 03:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Very credible. It did happen, & with a change in only a few laws it could happen again. And I say this not just because my grandfather was shanghaied to Alaska as a teenager. But if you don't want to believe this is true, nothing I can write will convince you. -- llywrch 22:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any idiot (excuse the term) can stow cargo and swab the deck. Obviously it'd be useful to have free labour able to do jobs like these. Joffeloff 18:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The ledger book of James Laflin, a San Francisco shanghaier for over 50 years, indicates so-called "green horns," or men without experience on the sea, were frequently shanghaied. His ledger book for the years 1886-1890, a time when Laflin was a shipping master for San Francisco's whailng and sealing fleet, has been posted on Mystic Seaport Museum's website, and is available for online inspection. --Billpick 15:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems a bit unlikely 

message: "Any friendless man in port cities ... was in danger of being "shanghaied", hence the English slang term." Is this a different slang term not documented here, or is it a circular reference?
*Well, "being shanghaied" is also generic American slang nowadays for any sort of trick.  The usage is obvviously derived from this practice.  I'll try to make it clearer.--Pharos 21:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circularity? 

message: I moved it back down to "start-class," but expect to move it back up to B.  There are some questionable claims, some pretty big omissions, and the language frequently takes a long walk off a short pier.  Thanks for the assessment, though. Cheers. HausTalk 23:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. One problem is that this topic is almost entirely covered by popular writers like Stewart Holbrook who had a tendency to never let facts get in the way of a good story. Obviously various labor unions would have the necessary collections and sources to flesh this out with verified facts -- but there was an awful lot of unwarranted romance associated with this practice due to (1) it happened to "someone else"; or (2) those who survived it had a tendency to look back on the experience as just one of those adventures of young adulthood. -- llywrch 16:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not quite a B yet

message: Shanghaiing was normal practice in Iceland during the 1950s and 60s as there was a lack of personnel for the nations fishing fleet, due to a large influx of Faroese fishermen able to work for less
I thought it works the other way: influx of cheaper foreign labor causes unemployment among locals, not "lack of personnel". Perhaps they meant lack of Icelanders willing to work for Faroese wages, but it's quite a different story. ?? 78.107.117.194 (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Iceland: contradiction

message: It seems to me that the Shanghaiing and Blackbirding articles are describing the same practice, as carried out in two separate parts of the world. Personally, I don't think this is enough justification for two separate articles on the exact same subject, so I propose that the articles be merged. Since Shanghaiing and Blackbirding are essentially regional names, I also suggest that the merged article be given a more neutral name to reflect the more global view that would result, and keep Shanghaiing and Blackbirding as redirects. TheRealTeln (talk) 01:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They are both long, well referenced articles and "shanghiing" applies specifically to capturing sailors, not land-based labor. I'll untag the two. --Wtshymanski (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Shanghaiing with [[Blackbirding]] 

message: "A theory of the word's origin is that it comes from the Chinese city of Shanghai"
Gee, you think? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

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message: This article begins
Crimp (recruitment) also redirects here. However, this article appears to almost exclusively cover the history of Shanghaiing in America. This is a problem, because crimping as a term is not exclusively linked to the American topic. Crimp as a term was in use in England in the 18th century (see e.g. London Life in the Eighteenth Century, M. Dorothy George ). It seems to me that we should have a generic article for Shanghaiing / crimping, and that this article should be retitled to reflect its American topic, much as we have the article Impressment to deal with the topic in the context of the Royal Navy, which itself also doesn't mention the term crimp.  — Scott • talk 12:26, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  International coverage / article renaming