Talk:Electrical engineering/Archive 4

message: Hi,
For the subfields section, I've converted to a new format that is a combination of the two previous ones. The last one I felt did not emphasise the subfields enough. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise.
Sincerely,
Cedars 02:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK--Light current 02:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I've just noticed we have a featured article!. But how did this happen? I mean who decides on it and grants featured status? I suppose congratulations to all concerned must now be issued? If it is featured, I suggest no more major edits are done on it for a while at least without proper agreement of all parties concerned..--Light current 02:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the info and congratulations on achileving your aim!--Light current 01:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Headings

message: In autumn 2005, I wrote the main part of the history of electrical engineering. This description of the history is currently part of the article. A brief depiction of the beginning of electrical engineering at different universities worldwide is included. However, the part of the first chair of electrical engineering worldwide founded at the Darmstadt University of Technology in 1882 was cancelled twice. I added this part once again in order to give a correct and impartial survey.
I hope that other authors also intend to write their contributions in an impartial style. 
Adamy 9:47, 17 March 2006 (MEZ)
:Yes well this does back up my claim that the article does not present a worldwide view. I ve tried to fix it so many times but have ben opposed so often that its just not worth trying any more. The European view point is given very little consideration in my view. Perhaps Electrical engineering in Europe might be an answer.--Light current 10:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I have included a hub page notice at the to of this page. its self explanatory. I hope that this can stay here as its an important navigational concept I feel and will help readers.--Light current 05:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hub page notice 

message: Any one think we could spilt off the professional stuff to a new page??--Light current 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am against splitting the EE article because I feel the EE article provides a good summary of EE as it is. Cedars 11:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Electrical engineering as a career]] 

message: Hi everyone,
There is a survey here on whether the electrical and electronics engineering article should be redirected to this article. Your input on the matter would be very much appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Cedars 23:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct procedure would be to put a merge tag on electrical and electronics engineering and seeking consensus on that before redirecting the page.--Light current 01:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I have put the merge tag on electrical and electronics engineering for you and I would ask you to respect the consensus of opinion on it as I will!.--Light current 02:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Light current. Cedars 07:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey on redirecting electrical and electronics engineering 

message: Actual main page stuff as it actually appeared on 26 Mar 06;
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==== Today's featured article ====
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Electrical engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the study and application of electricity, electromagnetism and electronics. The field first became an identifiable occupation in the late nineteenth century with the commercialization of the electric telegraph and electrical power supply and now encompasses a range of sub-disciplines including power, control systems, electronics and telecommunications. Whilst these terms are often used to mean the same, electrical engineering is sometimes distinguished from electronics engineering. Where this distinction is made, electrical engineering is considered to deal with the problems associated with large-scale electrical systems such as power transmission and motor control whereas electronics engineering deals with the study of small-scale electronic systems including semiconductors and the design of integrated circuits. Advances during the 20th century in radio technologies, followed by the invention of early computers and integrated circuits, led to the development of the specialized field. Meanwhile, universities were developing formal programs of study, and today, the field's practitioners generally hold an academic degree in their discipline and may be certified by a professional body. (continued...)
Because some of the caveats I had insisted upon in the article have been edited out, this now gives an unbalanced view to the general readership of the main page. This is just what I was trying to avoid (misleading the readers). We must avoid repetitions of this debacle in future and try to achieve worldwide view rather than featured article status at all costs!"..
--Light current 02:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article status at all costs?. 

message: Hitachi J100 adjustable frequency drive chassis 
Electrical engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the study and application of electricity, electromagnetism and electronics. The field first became an identifiable occupation in the late nineteenth century with the commercialization of the electric telegraph and electrical power supply and now encompasses a range of sub-disciplines including power, control systems, electronics and telecommunications. Whilst these terms are often used to mean the same, electrical engineering is sometimes distinguished from electronics engineering. Where this distinction is made, electrical engineering is considered to deal with the problems associated with large-scale electrical systems such as power transmission and motor control whereas electronics engineering deals with the study of small-scale electronic systems including semiconductors and the design of integrated circuits. Advances during the 20th century in radio technologies, followed by the invention of early computers and integrated circuits, led to the development of the specialized field. Meanwhile, universities were developing formal programs of study, and today, the field's practitioners generally hold an academic degree in their discipline and may be certified by a professional body. (continued...)
</blockquote>
Because some of the caveats I had insisted upon in the article have been edited out, this now gives an unbalanced view to the general readership of the main page. This is just what I was trying to avoid (misleading the readers). We must avoid repetitions of this debacle in future and try to achieve worldwide view rather than featured article status at all costs!"..
--Light current 02:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today's featured article 

message: == Wake up Cedars!!! ==
What do you think? Or have you lost interest now that EE has becom a featured article?--Light current 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied from [[talk:electrical and electronics engineering]] 

message: I looked in the article and in the talk pages (archives) and couldn't find anything about electrical engineers doing any lighting and electrical systems design for buildings.  I work at a consulting engineering firm.  We do PME for large buildings, mostly hospitals, but also schools, plants, apartment buildings, etc.  So when I saw electrical engineering was today's featured article I hoped that there would be some mention of what my co-workers do.  But no.  It seems like there could at least be a short phrase at the end of the third paragraph in the intro where it already says "Examples of the projects modern electrical engineers may work on include the design of telecommunication systems, the operation of electric power stations and the design of electronic household appliances." along the lines of:
"and the design of electrical systems and lighting for buildings."
Is there any reason why I shouldn't add this?
Thanks, --Eric Jack Nash 22:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats because youre talking proper electrical engineering here whereas the article confuses electrical and electronics engineering!--Light current 23:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does indeed! hydnjo talk 00:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrical Engineers as lighting designers 

message: This field of study leads to a variety of application science. The branches have been explained in the expansions of this article.  I'll continue to refine the differences so far as they make sense to do so. If you have any problem with my differentiating then by all means fix my edits. Thanks, hydnjo talk 00:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Complicated , yes. A mess - not if handled with care and due consideration and understanding on all sides (Well perhaps youre right!)--Light current 00:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Electrical engineering, broadly

message: IMHO Power Electronics is a Sub-Discipline of Electrical Engineering and not simply a device of Power Engineering as it is put in the main article. There is about as much study in this branch of electrical engineering as there is in any other.
I say this myself being an electric engineering student, the sub-disciplines we have to choose from in my university are:
*Power Systems (power engineering if you will)
*Applied Electronics (includes microelectronics)
*Telecommunications
*Power Electronics
*Control and Signal Processing
*Project Management
Being that we have to choose at least 4 of those in order to graduate, I'm taking the first five and might as well take all six. Brazilian Universities are quite different from the American and British ones, of course, but still... there is a 
And by the way, I think this article is not at all that good to have been nominated for featured article. However proud I am to have my field of studies published in the main page, this article still needs some work on it until it gets real good. VdSV9•♫ 15:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thank the above user for telling us of the South American education system. I hope other people from around the world will do the same so we can present a worldwide view. What will you be calling yourself when you graduate?--Light current 21:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Aha so there is a difference in South America also!!--Light current 17:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Electronics 

message: Now that electrical and electronics engineering does not exist as far as WP is concerned, should we remove ref to it in the lede to make it look better and read smoother?--Light current 00:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think it should stay since it is a term sometimes used to describe the topic described in this article. —Spangineer[es] (háblame) 03:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lede]] 

message: === Electrical engineering ===
Hi Light current,
You recently reverted all my changes to the electrical engineering. These changes were made after a thorough review of the article, please explain why you objected to:
* Unwikilinking "nozzles"?
* Changing the degree length from "four or five" to "three to five years"?
* Converting "fields" to "sub-disciplines" consistent with the rest of the article?
* Removing the redundant history summary from the history section?
Meanwhile I am going to try and find a more appropriate image for the article. If you want to help improve the electrical engineering please discuss your changes. Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
:You removed an important picture that was in the version feature on the main page. I simply reverted the page to that versio. If you are making multiple changes all at once, then this is what may happen if you are reverted. THis is obvious!
What do you mean by:
Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
:Ive been one of them. Did you not notice? Why are you now trying to rip out some of the stuff that got the article featured in the first place? Just leave it alone.--Light current 02:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: --Light current 12:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved from my talk 

message: Hi Light current,
You recently reverted all my changes to the electrical engineering. These changes were made after a thorough review of the article, please explain why you objected to:
* Unwikilinking "nozzles"?
* Changing the degree length from "four or five" to "three to five years"?
* Converting "fields" to "sub-disciplines" consistent with the rest of the article?
* Removing the redundant history summary from the history section?
Meanwhile I am going to try and find a more appropriate image for the article. If you want to help improve the electrical engineering please discuss your changes. Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
:You removed an important picture that was in the version feature on the main page. I simply reverted the page to that versio. If you are making multiple changes all at once, then this is what may happen if you are reverted. THis is obvious!
What do you mean by:
Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
:Ive been one of them. Did you not notice? Why are you now trying to rip out some of the stuff that got the article featured in the first place? Just leave it alone.--Light current 02:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: --Light current 12:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrical engineering 

message: The first line in the article reads:
Electrical engineering (sometimes referred to as electrical and electronics engineering) is a The sandbox is blocked out you retard so stop telling me to use it.
This is an error.  I think someone will want to change it.  I don't know what was meant or what the previous version was, so someone else is more qualified to change it than myself.
:It's been fixed. Next time, remember that this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and consider fixing it yourself! You're just as qualified as the rest of us. =) —Spangineer[es] (háblame) 03:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad line 

message: Where can we find a list of places that offer the EE degree?  Is this in Wikipedia?  If so, should it be linked from here? 129.120.106.90 21:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look on Google!--Light current 21:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of places to earn degree?

message: hi,
this vipul want to know about the switchgears
See power engineering or circuit breakers. 8-) If neither of these answer your question please let me know.--Light current 10:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  please talk about the H.T. switchgears