Talk:Miss Canada International

message: I seriously doubt this statement : " Miss Canada International Inc. held the rights to send a Canadian representative to Miss Worldfor five years but lost that right in 2003 after Miss World Organization complained of actions caused by then titleholder, Lynsey Bennett in Nigeria". I've never heard of a national director lose franchise because of a titleholder.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.115.63.78 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to cite a reliable source to say what the situation is.  As it stands, this is the only reliable source.  It quite clearly says, and shows with a picture, that Rachel Jaillet won.  Initially, even MCI's web site, confirmed this, but changed later.  Now, obviously, something happened.  Apparently, MCI had a problem with Jaillet.  So, you need to explain what happened/changed, and provide an *independent* source.  But, what's not ok, is for us to just change the names, and pretend that Rachel Jaillet wasn't selected.  She obviously was initially selected.  If it's not clear:  you (as MCI) are *not* a reliable source, because you are not independent.  As a comparison, Danielle House isn't recognized by MCI any more, but we handled it by including an appropriate notation, and citation.  --Rob (talk) 21:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Read our policy on reliable sources.  Also, read our policy on on reverting.  If you revert this page more than 3 times in 24 hours, you can be blocked.  Finally, sign your name and the end of your comments with four tildes (~~~~).   --Rob (talk) 21:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, it was MCI that announced to the media she was the winner, and let her use the title for some time at multiple public events, before trying pretend nothing happened.  We don't let people or organizations control articles about themselves or use articles for self-serving purposes.  We can't assume one side in a dispute is telling the truth.  We go by independent soruces.   Oh, and you're not "in charge" of anything here. --Rob (talk) 22:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not in charge.  Nobody is.  We are all subject to the policies of the project.  One of those policies is Wikipedia:Reliable sources.  I will post this issue on a notice board, to hopefully get some other editors to have an input here.   --Rob (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There just aren't reliable sources out there for this, but while we're at it, I did find  which names a different winner than the one listed for 2003.  Given the difficulty of finding reliable, secondary sources about the topic, though, I am having some trouble believing that this actually needs an article.  Cool3 (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The source appears to have confused "Miss International Canada" with "Miss Canada International".  MCI does not send winners to the Miss International competition.  MCI used to send winners to Miss World.  But you're correct, there is a real problem with the lack of sources.  I think the solution is a full rewrite, that discusses that which is written about, and removes the lists of winners.  Instead, only the more notable years need to be mentioned, in prose, not in table format.  For instance, events related to Lynsey Bennett and the Nigeria riots, were heavily covered, and notable.  Unless somebody beats me to it, I do plan on a doing an appropriate rewrite.    --Rob (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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