Talk:Sovremenny-class destroyer

message: Having seen the tag, i wuold ask what's the problem with this article. It seems to me quite accurate and complete, plus well described with images. Maybe it's time to take away the tag?--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 21:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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message: The 'History' section contradicts the 'Class Overview' side panel section. According to external link 3 (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/956.htm) there are in fact 12 active ships with the Russian Navy.
I do not have immediate access to the reference books. Are they the source of the information in the 'Class Overview' side panel?
 
I also got the impression from external link 3, and 5 that there are multiple versions of this ship in addition to the 'Project 956EM' units purchased by the Chinese. External link 3 has 'Project 956', and 'Project 956A' while link 5 shows 'Project 956' and 'Project 956E'.
Additionally the reference link 3 (http://www.janes.com/regional_news/asia_pacific/news/jdw/jdw020108_1_n.shtml) redirects to the Janes main page (http://www.janes.com/). A search for 'Sovremenny' on the site returns no results.
"A total of 18 have been built for the Russian Navy, but currently only 5 remain in service due to lack of funds and trained personnel. Additional 3 ships are ongoing modernization and overhaul and 2 are laid-up in reserve", maybe additional ships have been decommissioned and the text needs updating because the table lists 3 in service 2 in reserve and 1 being overhauled and 11 decommissioned + 4 chinese. Two of the Chinese were supposed to be of the third version built specially for them, but all seem to have former Russian names, none of which is included in the Russian list.150.227.15.253 (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction found 

message: Infobox (strange): 14,000 nmi (26,000 km; 16,000 mi) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)
Article (realistic): The ship's maximum speed is just under 33 knots (61 km/h; 38 mph). At a fuel-economic speed of 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph) the range is 3,920 nautical miles (7,260 km; 4,510 mi)
A destroyer with 26,000 km (once around the world + 10,000 km left) range, the amount of fuel would be very extreme?! So the 7,260 km at 18 knots are realistic and 26,000 km no country would build a ship like that, because I mean why a range which is very much larger than crossing the whole world?! and if such a range, than on one very large ship with the space for the fuel and food/water/ammo... Kilon22 (talk) 20:47, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange indeed. No conventionally powered ship in the world has that sort of range. A quick scan of the sources provides a much more realistic range of 3,920 nm at 18 kts, and 1,345 nm at 32 kts. With the infobox figures unsourced, and highly dubious, I will amend them to follow the sources. 92.12.217.145 (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range 

message: Hi, I noticed a typo in the name of the ship class. There shouldn't be an extra "y" after "Sovremenny". 
Not sure how to change the actual title. Please help!
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.129.218 (talk • contribs) 
:You have a good point. The Russian word is 'Современный', with the '-ый' ending in some transliteration systems being rendered '-yy', which is where the form 'Sovremennyy' has come from. That said, the BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian, and more to the point Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian, simplifies '-yy' endings to just '-y' (the example it gives is "Красный = Krasny" not "Krasnyy"). Google results for '"Sovremenny" destroyer' and '"Sovremennyy" destroyer' favour the former by approximately 63,100 to 13,700 hits. Jane's in particular uses 'Sovremenny' - eg in this work. I will make an WP:RM post as I think there is a case for bringing this article title in line with the rest of wikipedia practice. 129.67.118.245 (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in name. 

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message: Two years after the above move was made, the relevant individual ships listed remain unchanged, which seems odd.  But I feel insufficiently familiar with Russian transliteration to boldly change things. Davidships (talk) 02:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Result of move 

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message: It's probably better to change it to the Lider-class destroyer, as the Udaloy is said in the article itself to be a complement. Of course, it would need clarification; "prospective replacement" would be a good one. Anthropophoca (talk) 09:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successor