Talk:Virgin Australia

message: Please can i have some input here please. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we should move that page here. Their website clearly shows that the 777-300ER is now under Virgin Australia's name. →εϻαdιν ΤαΙk Ͼδητrιβμτιoης 11:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Boeing 777s are still being operated by a separate entity, Virgin Australia International Airlines - which is one of the reasons why Alan Joyce keeps complaining about the unfair advantages Virgin has over Qantas. The 777s are registered to Virgin Australia International Airlines, not Virgin Australia Airlines; and Virgin Australia International Airlines is the holder of one of the three active Air Operator Certificates of the Virgin group of companies in Australia. In short, it isn't defunct at all. Now all we need is secondary sources.... YSSYguy (talk) 22:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  V Australia 

message: I have updated the article to include the 10 New Zealand registered 737-800s. On the NZ CAA aircraft register it clearly says that the 10 738s are registered to "Virgin Australia" and therefore should be accounted for in this article. Access date 2011-12-20 Schulzr (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not according to the NZ CAA Register I jsut looked at they appear to be registered Virgin Australia Airlines (NZ) Limited a seperate new zealand company. Should really stay on its own page but as this page has become a right mess I dont think accuracy matters. MilborneOne (talk) 14:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Using the same branding is not the same as the same legal identity, if you were to accept that they were legally the same then why not move all of this to one big Virgin article. (Are Virgin Australia legally allowed to fly foreign NZ aircraft on someone elses AOC in Australia?) MilborneOne (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are right then the old Pacific Blue article should Not be deleted, it should be put back to Pacific Blue and kept as a historical article. MilborneOne (talk) 16:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to move it back, but I now can't due to the double move by the editor who done those moves. Sb617  (Talk) 22:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now moved back to Pacific Blue Airlines per this discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 10:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pacific Blue 

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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071026011316/http://www.virginblue.com.au:80/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_002025.htm to http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_002025.htm
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Virgin Australia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090511074146/http://www.velocityrewards.com.au:80/content/AboutTheProgram/LatestNews/freddieawards/index.htm to http://www.velocityrewards.com.au/content/AboutTheProgram/LatestNews/freddieawards/index.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071026060530/http://www.virginblue.com.au:80/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_002025.htm to http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_002025.htm
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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There are some minor details of about the fleet which is currently not right.
# The VOZ B738s (73H) are not all J8Y168 seat map but are a mix of J8Y160 and J8Y168.  I know the website says it's either J8Y168 or W8Y168 but that's inaccurate.
# Some of the B738s are operated by VA Australia and some are operated by VA International.  (eg. VHVBZ is VAA and VHVOR is VAI)
# The J8Y160 and J8Y168 are mixed between VAA and VAI
# One of the ATRs is a Y70 (forgot which one, can look it up)
# The B773 are all now J37 or they will all be in a few weeks.
Examples:
* VHVBZ - https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft-register?search_api_views_fulltext=VIRGIN+AUSTRALIA+&vh=VBZ
* VHVOR - https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft-register?search_api_views_fulltext=VIRGIN+AUSTRALIA+&vh=VOR
There are four AOCs
# VA Australia a/c = https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft-register?f[0]=field_ar_reg_op_name%3A19571
# VA International a/c = https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft-register?f[0]=field_ar_reg_op_name%3A101911
# VARA a/c = https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft-register?f[0]=field_ar_reg_op_name%3A40491
# Tiger
Tiger is now wholly owned subsidiary as of October 2014 (I have added this information).
Currently the ADL-DPS MEL-DPS PER-DPS flights which are branded Tiger are actually operating on the VAI AOC (VAI tech crew with Tiger cabin crew) but marketed entirely by Tiger. By the end of 2016 or start of 2017 the Tiger AOC should be flying them into DPS.
Everything not Tiger is VOZ/Velocity with the exception of maybe the VARA F100s on the west coast.
GermanicusCaesar (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The fleet table was edited just today to suggest that there are no aircraft registered to Virgin Australia International; I have just undone that edit. As for the seating configurations, we have to go by what the sources say. I have been aware for years that Virgin Australia International is alive and well, but it is a bit difficult to find any mention of it as a separate entity. The info regarding Tiger ops to Denpasar with Virgin 737s is mentioned in the Tiger article but not here, but that is easily fixed. YSSYguy (talk) 12:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I know all the sources say they are all 176 seat B738s but if you make a booking and go to select your seat you'll see there are 29 row Y and 30 row Y aircraft! (my own source is that I work for the airline and deal with this stuff everyday when there's an equipment swap from the 176 seat to the 170 seat a/c on a full flight!). Sites like Seat Guru are all wrong (they still think the 777s are J33). The reason that VAI isn't visible much anymore is because the generic Virgin marketing/branding tends to disguise it. It's really only visible in the AOCs and some internal departments. GermanicusCaesar (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleet and AOCs 

message: Most of the information on the holding company is already in the airline article,  unlike United Continental Holdings, this article basically does not cover anything the other one already covers. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs)  09:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: The history of the holding company is different to the history of the airline proper, particularily with respect to complex and detailed ownership and financial particulars. Granted there is some crossover (some of which should probably be removed, the 'head office' section should just link to the Holdings article for example rather than be duplicated), but merging the holding company history into this article will make the history section far too long. -- Whats new?(talk) 21:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken, Qantas is not a subsidiary of Qantas Airways Ltd., the airline is Qantas Airways Ltd.; the Air Operator Certificate is in the name of Qantas Airways Ltd. and the registered operator of the aircraft is Qantas Airways Ltd. The airline known as Qantas is the parent company and all of the other airlines and companies are its subsidiaries. In the case of Virgin Australia, the airline is one among several subsidiary airlines of a parent holding company. The concern is the amount of duplication, the solution is that some of the information should be removed from this article. YSSYguy (talk) 07:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Oppose as explained by YSSYguy the holding company is not the same as the airline in this instance. MilborneOne (talk) 08:17, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Virgin Australia Holdings]] 

message: There’s a fair bit of info about their acquisition, but they’re no longer used.  So some info about why not?  However this is sorted out, it needs sorting out. Boscaswell talk 09:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embraer planes (Fleet section) 

message: Should update the page to add in recent changes to route network such as removal of some flights to NZ, some in AU, MEL-HKG flights and the addition of BNE-HND flights and MEL-DPS + once partnership with NH actually begins Fork99 (talk) 22:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History additions? 

message: I agree that yes it is a rapidly developing event, however I think anything sensational or drastic such as “permanently ceasing operations” or using past tense should not be in the article until if it actually happens because it hasn’t. I think it’s best to leave it as just voluntary admin for now and possibly “temporary”. I believe the current consensus is that it will come out the other end unless proved otherwise if none of the 10 interested parties invest. Currently the airline is still operational with minimal flights, people are still being paid, there are no further redundancies and hopefully as the CEO has said, it will come out the other end in one way or another.  Fork99 (talk) 03:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree - I have been reversing various edits, not only here but also in Template:Airlines of Australia and Virgin Australia Regional Airlines, where edits have already treated them as disestablished which is incorrect at this point in time.Fleet Lists (talk) 04:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Virgin is continuing to trade in administration. It will only become defunct after the administrator exhausts all options for sale as a going concern and begins liquidating all the assets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukrapenso (talk • contribs) 05:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In future, if Virgin does actually cease operations, please use this talk section to agree on a consensus, rather than starting a new talk section. Thanks! Fork99 (talk) 02:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I again agree but hopefully any advice of cessation will be so clear that any discussion wont be necessary. Fleet Lists (talk) 02:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voluntary Administration Edits 

message: From research I have found no corroborating sources for the claim Virgin is a flag carrier of Australia. All the evidence I can find suggests that QANTAS is australia's sole Flag Carrier. And after reading that article it clearly states QANTAS is the Flag Carrier. Threrefore shouldn't it be removed from this page and the flag carriers wikipedia Page?Life200BC (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I believe it should be removed after it has already been removed from Qantas (although later restored) which would be more readily identified as the flag carrier. Fleet Lists (talk) 01:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The term flag carrier is really meaningless these days but it would have never applied to Virgin Australia. MilborneOne (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is virgin really a flag carrier? 

message: WP:NOTNEWS. Wikipedia guidelines states that primary sources should not be used within articles. The Executive Traveller [executivetraveller.com] is being cited for changes within the fleet list. This news source is mainly based on breaking news stories (such as what Virgin Australia will look like) within the aviation/travel community, so these articles should not be used as references for the time being. These are changes that could be reversed or changed at anytime, so I will revert all edits regarding transfer of aircraft and removal of aircraft until the time is appropriate to add it in. The situation is always evolving. I will keep the 777s being mothballed however, because that is likely to occur, but if it does still contravene the guidelines, feel free to remove it. Fork99 (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there were inconsistencies with even that. The news reference says that various 737s, A330s, ATRs and more are to removed, but there was no mention of the other aircraft changes in the notes section of the table. Fork99 (talk) 06:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleet list section 

message: The Velocity Frequent Flyer (VFF) article has been badly neglected and as frequent flyer programs are not usually separate articles from the airline itself, it should be merged with this article. I think that it should be mostly scrapped, with a brief section in this article.
Another thing I want to point out. This article is not completely informative because VARA (Virgin Australia Regional Airlines) is barely ever mentioned in this article. You have to dig deep through the article to find it. The reader is completely unaware that VARA even exists if they only read the introduction/infobox, whereas if you read the QF article, you'll find mentions of QantasLink within the infobox (which is easier to find and read) and throughout the article.
I have made an edit which added VARA into the infobox field for subsidiaries in the mean time.
I will also make a proper proposal later on to merge the articles. Or if someone else can, please do so, it would be greatly appreciated! Fork99 (talk) 14:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the VAH proposal as I now agree with a previous consensus from 2017. I've updated the above talk post as no one has seen it yet. Fork99 (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  VAH & VFF Articles Proposal, Mention of VARA 

message: As there have been more than one air safety controversies and some have been protracted...2Safe (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should any 'air safety controversies' be included in "Controversies" or made into a new title..?