Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling/Archive 2

message: I am at the moment requesting a translation for the All Japan Road Race Championship which would be an interest for people interested in Japanese riders the request is listed currently on top of that page. Feel free to make any further edits if possible. Willirennen 15:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation request 

message: Does anybody have a good handle on dry weight versus wet weight versus curb weight?  The wet weight article needs to be written.  Thanks!  -- Brianhe 06:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quickly created wet weight, but upon reflection it probably should be shifted to wikitionary Pickle 13:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a problem.  As currently defined, wet weight and curb weight appear identical to me:  standard equipment+oil+fuel+coolant.  However, the curb weight article says they are not the same.  -- Brianhe 09:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weight definitions

message: Are you aware that the : and : are up for deletion and it looks like the deletion will happen unless there is a big swing against it? No one from this group seems to have put in their 2 cents worth (except me as of now). Check it out here and please contribute if you agree this is a useful category to keep. There is no point in having it deleted and then recreating it again only to have it up for deletion again. ww2censor 04:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dumb me, I did not have this page on my watchlist so I missed the chance to vote.  The CFD debate just ended with the decision to remove the category.  Brianhe 17:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for deletion 

message: MotoCzysz has been proposed for deletion. This sounds like an opportunity for our project to not just oppose the deletion, but address the editorial concerns about the article by expanding and improving it and introducing more links to it.  -- Brianhe 17:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: its a bit beyond me on a superficial look, how can we help (as i see no list of what particularly is wrong or any place to vote yay or ney)...... Pickle 02:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As it says in the deletion tag "The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for five days. This template was added 2007-02-18; five days from then is 2007-02-23." and the rest of the tag says "You may remove this message if you improve the article, or if you otherwise object to deletion of the article for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, it should not be replaced." So if you improve anything in the article about this company or bike, you could add it to the article but I don't know anything about it so cannot help you. Cheers ww2censor 03:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add MotoCzysz to List of motorcycle manufacturers but I'm not sure it's kosher since they're not actually producing bikes for market yet.  Any opinions on this? Or anybody have knowledge of when they will actually go into production for Superbike homologation?  - Brianhe 18:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the  tag to the topic page and hope that will delay any deletion prospects but I doubt you should add it to the List of motorcycle manufacturers yet. ww2censor 19:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Save [[MotoCzysz]]

message: I can't find anything about Visordown magazine on the Web, but it is in our to-do list.  Can anybody give me a pointer and I'll attempt to write a stub?  Note, there is already a Visordown article but it seems to be a web-based British club. Brianhe 04:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Visordown magazine?

message: This page has gotten quite long and I recommend that we archive messages more than a few months old.  Here is a template that can help:   
Brianhe 04:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done ww2censor 14:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive needed

message: Hello, I'm glad there's a motorcycle WikiProject... I was looking at the Buell article, and it needs some work.  If anyone knows about these motorcycles, it would be nice if you could add to the article, and maybe even make an article for each of their models... or just something to add to your project's to do list... - Adolphus79 03:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I bought a copy of The Illustrated Directory of Motorcycles and see there are four pages about Buell. You can view the book contents at amazon.com by using the Search inside this book link just below the cover illustration you can look for Armstrong. Try this link. Maybe there is anything extra there you can use. Cheers ww2censor 03:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well, I just did a semi-major cleanup on the article, removed some POV, and redundant information... I didn't add any information though... I also made links to each of the models just as Buell Blast, Buell Firebolt, etc... if there's any information in your book that isn't already in the article, please add it, just don't forget to source your info... - Adolphus79 04:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Buell Motorcycle Company]] 

message: Myself and another user wish to set up a new project specifically to cover the sport of Motorcycle speedway (the common name for the sport being just speedway). However, as speedway is covered by this project I wanted to ask on here what your thoughts would be on this? The proposal would be for it to be Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycle speedway. We would prefer it to be Wikipedia:WikiProject speedway, but realise that with speedway meaning the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the name of the town in which it is raced in North America this probably is not possible.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 19:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will there be a lot of articles covered by this project?  If you include everything in :Category:Speedway there are probably enough articles to make a case for creating a project so I'd tend to approve of it.  By the way I did not see this in the Speedway article, it might be useful to note the distinction between it and flat-track racing in the USA. Brianhe 23:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that it should be handled as a "sub project" (if that the right term) of WP Motorcycling. A good example is how WP London Transport, and WP UK railways are all sub projects of WP Trains. Pickle 06:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki project on speedway

message: ... is currently underway.  Perhaps some folks would like to review and comment? Thanks!  Mmoyer 16:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD nomination for [[Wolf Pack Motorcycle Club]] 

message: I've added Yamaha FZR600 as it was a request page. I regret that I can't provide any references, but as is noted below, it's very hard to find any sources on the web for a bike that was made between  1989 and 1999. In particular I searched for but could not find references for the 1989 AMA 600cc superbike title having been won by an FZR600. If you can find and correctly reference this, I think we would all be greateful =)   (and yeah, I liked my FZR600 even if it was old tech for today's standards). Ibanix 07:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FZR600 

message: Given the popularity of this style of motorcycle, the existing Cruiser_(motorcycle) article seems woefully insufficient. Anyone else agree? ZiggySpeed 05:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved your comment to the bottom of the list ... the page is chronologically sorted.  Thanks!  Brianhe 05:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruisers 

message: Someone is proposing to mass delete unspecified Yamaha articles via the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamaha Banshee 350.  It's not even specified what the AfD covers and the logic is that they are "too incomplete."  Recommend that members of this project go and vote no on this.  Brianhe 03:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD debate on many Yamaha motorcycles

message: Is it time that Motorcycle went up for peer review again? The last review is archived here if you want to read it. It is the lead article for this project and should really be at least be at Good Article status. It is 5 months since the last review and has had many excellent edits since then. Besides reading well, it has a good few inline references and no redlinks. Who thinks it is up to it this time? If we get a good reaction we could nominate it. ww2censor 18:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I see it, a bit of work needs to be done gathering sources to support much of the article. Fifteen cites is weak for an article this size. --Evb-wiki 20:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, Motorcycle history had a peer review, and as with Motorcycle's review last Dec/Jan, no constructive suggestions were made, so I think we are on our own unless we can get some more knowledgeable editors to contribute directly. Any views? Maybe we should do some work on one or both of these and submit for WP:GA or WP:FA anyway and see if that elicits any better response. ww2censor 16:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was a bit disappointed. Go ahead and nominate Motorcycle for good article consideration. Then we should get at least one thorough review. Just went through GA process with Architecture of Houston, and it only needed additional references, which was then quickly fixed for a successful promotion. It won't hurt to give it a go. --Evb-wiki 17:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominated Motorcycle for Good article today. ww2censor 02:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review?

message: I've removed User:Jeff Dean from the page. It would appear that he has invoked his right to vanish and we should honor it, especially since he used his real name. I question whether we need a retired members section. IMO, once a Wikipedian, always a Wikipedian; some people just go on really extended wikibreaks. If someone "retires" they probably wouldn't bother to update the project page, and we would not likely notice unless they were a prolific editor and their contributions suddenly dropped off. —M (talk • contribs) 15:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired members 

message: I've aded a category to the to do list for articles missing images. There are many motorcycle articles that are missing that I haven't been able to add to the list. If you find one not on the list, please add it. Or better yet, go get take photo of that bike, upload it to commons, and then add it to the article! —M (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing images 

message: As the List of deaths by motorcycle accidents has been nominated for AfD which is listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of people by cause of death, feel free to have your say about it there. Willirennen 00:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus was to keep this list and all the other related lists that were nominated for deletion at the same time. ww2censor 04:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of deaths by motorcycle accidents listed for AfD 

message: The article Ducati SuperSport needs wikification. Can anyone help me on this? Please message me on my talk page  --Guroadrunner 03:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned it up a little.  Brianhe 19:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a reorg on this so the areas for expansion can be seen more clearly, and I think it reads better; there wasn't any pressing need to differentiate the sections on one model. MSJapan 05:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   [[Ducati SuperSport]] 

message: I went to see what the websites cat had in it,and there was nothing.  My reasoning may be off, but I thought that any notable websites were likely to be associated with notable groups of some sort, and wouldn't stand on their own, so I CfDed it. MSJapan 22:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD on websites cat... 

message: Hey, I just saw the article Honda CR250R, and as I know nothing about the subject, I thought I'd link it here, and see if someone else knew what to do with it (I don't care for deleting it and tags are meaningless if people who might help aren't aware of them).  Anyway, the article, as is, could be speedy deleted, as its just praise for its being teh best ever, or something.  If you are interested, I think it should be fixed instead. Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 15:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I stubbed it, but on a cursory pass with few R-related sources, I think the best solution might be to merge the CR250M and R (and others) into one article - I can't find a lot of info on the R and the M article isn't much better. MSJapan 16:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK I've written quickly a little bit more. But i have no "proper" sources to hand (other than having read too many off road journals for too long!). I've got lots of photos in my vast photo archive so if someone's desperate I'll dig one out and put it up. Personally the CR250M and CR250R are chalk and cheese, one is a "pure" MX bike while the other is a "trail" bike (not really that enduro ish, but I've only ever ridden a CRM125). You would also have to place it in context with the XL range (more enduro esque IMHO) and off course the latest generation of fourstrokes (eg CR450F is direct replacement), etc. Pickle 14:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  On second thoughts, and looking around there is a lot of confusion and not a lot of clarity. On one hand there are article that are of similar (stub) length that cover the wholes series (eg Honda CR series and Honda CR series), while there are these specific stubs. There also appears to be a "North American" slant in the coverage, and my experience of these models (admittedly only the last 20 or so years) sounds different from what is written there. What I'm saying, is if you want to do some sort of big clean up of all these stubs I could work with you as I've never really dared to attempt it before! Pickle 14:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honda CR250R 

message: A newly created article on Swedish_speedway_1950s is up for deletion here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick mallory (talk • contribs) 10 August 2007
:I am not really surprised because there is no narrative to give the topic context and the majority of the links are red, so those club articles need to be written. As it stands it is just a list of links to non-existent articles not an article in its own right. Sorry but I agree it is not ready yet and should be deleted unless you can fill in some detail quickly. ww2censor 15:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speedway article up for deletion