Talk:Great Hymn to the Aten

message: Second sentence:
:"It is attributed to Pharaoh Akhenaten himself, and gives us a glimpse of th... [...]", my emphasis. 
I don't think it is supposed to be "us" in there, because who is that, really? /Tense (talk) 11:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Pronoun: us"

message: Roman Catholicism is remarkable similar, with Jesus, the Virgin Mary and all the Saints. What's the difference? Aldo L (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk pages aren't forums to discuss issues like this, I'm afraid. Dougweller (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objections to "monotheism" 

message: I've just deleted most of the text as copyvio from p 105 of Egypt and the Egyptians By Douglas J. Brewer, Emily Teeter  which ironically left out the important fact that the authors consider Atenism to be henotheism. I'm worried about the text of the hymn itself as it's almost certainly copyvio also. Dougweller (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ironic copyvio 

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message: Quoting Donald B. Redford on Akhenaten is like quoting God about the Devil. Redford didn't like Akhenaten, considered him to be 'unmanly' and a 'heretical freak'. Redford belonged to the grumpy curmudgeon school of archeology. He wished Akhenaten had been one of the warrior pharaohs who put up a lot of statues and temples so Redford could write about them. Redford, who wrote a 1984 book on Akhenaten, thought of the Pharaoh as a sort of proto-hippy, a freak who wanted to revolutionize Egyptian religion and art. Also, he didn't like all the attention Akhenaten got from non-archeologists and laymen, poaching on Redford's territory. Redford doesn't want to give Akenaten credit for anything, regardless of the 'Hymn to the Sun' or the actual physical evidence of the Pharaoh's art innovations. He wants badly to see Akhenaten as a failure and a fraud, but presents little evidence to support his prejudices. Akhenaten did fail to establish permanently his Aten cult in Egypt, too many priests made good livings from the worship of many gods. He seems upset that Akhenaten's religion didn't have a social program for the poor and sick, like some forms of Christianity later did, even though the Aten religion was only going on for about 20 years, hardly enough time to develop a full-blown theology. Redford argues that the Aten was in reality Akhenaten's alter ego, symbolic of his own absolute rule. But many Pharaohs had absolute rule, which would hardly be an outlier.
In fact, all the speculation in Redford's book and the article about Akhenaten's 'Hymn to the Sun' is out of bounds and merely opinion. There's not enough evidence to say anything for sure as to whether or not the Hebrews were influenced by Akhenaten's One God, or by the Hymn to the Aten. Nevertheless, it's a mighty coincidence of convergence. Give the Pharaoh some credit for initiating something way before others did in the Near East. Philip Glass's opera 'Akhenaten' is mentioned in the article, but no mention is made of the book and 1954 American movie called, 'The Egyptian' about Akhenaten, which, no doubt to Redford's fury, posits Akhenaten as an early and misunderstood New Ager and pacifist, caught in an era when people only understood war, political maneuvers and the old gods. 47.232.145.208 (talk) 02:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redford vs Akhenaten, & Hymn to the Sun