Talk:Colt Canada C7 and C8

message: Colt and Diemaco paired up for this weapon, they did not develop it seperately.  They have both upgraded their weapons to include a flat top reciever and other features seperately, but the weapons remain essentially the same.  Colt definitly has a 900 series model number for what they sell now as the "Colt Automatic Rifle," I just don't know what it is.  To see further proof of this, all you have to do is go to Colt.com and look at the picture for the Colt Automatic Rifle.  If you look close enough you'll notice the maple leaf on the reciever, and the picture is actually of a Diemaco produced LSW.  Its also why the LSW is the only Diemaco weapon featuring A2 style rear sights, even if the detachable carry handle is distinctively Diemaco.  -- Thatguy96 23:37, 7 November 2005
:Interesting- I did not get a chance to fact check what was there (adding link). I will certainly keep an eye out for info on this though. Ve3
 
:: I corrected some info on the C79 Elcan sight- it's great for field or forest engagements at distance, and is beautiful on the range (assuming it maintains its zero), but the comment that unlike other optical sights it is usefull for CQB is false. We (Canadian troops) almost universally hate it for urban combat training, and in Afghanistan troops are issued EOTech 552s. Many of us in the reserves have no alternative to the C79, but it's not unknown for some troops, particularly NCOs, to buy themselves an unmagnified reflex sight or backup iron sight for use in close quarters training. It's subject to unit policy of course. My unit is flexible with weapons additions as long as they're genuinely functional, while other units are much more 'by the book'. Otherwise, a good article on the C7. Brihard 13:11, 14 February 2005 EST
The LSW used by the Danish military features exactly the same fire selector as C7A1 and C8A2. It is not a full-auto-only weapon. Shorttail
The LSW is unpopular in the danish army:its not belt fed,has no possibility to change the barrel,eager to malfunction etc etc.So in afghanistan the good old (but heavy) MG3 is still used for a lot of tasks the LSW should be doing.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.129.26.73 (talk) 15:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Diemaco LSW

message: The links for "Diemaco Small Arms Systems" and "Colt Canada" go to the same place.  Is that intentional?  64.231.13.72 01:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: The table is useful, but would be even more so if weights were listed.
--Ng.j 14:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What this article really needs is a couple of infoboxes.  If I have time I might do it, but that's really something missing here. -- Thatguy96 13:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight 

message: Okay, I've not reverted this about a dozen times from more than one person and its still wrong.  The origin of this weapon is Canadian in terms of the production only.  Colt licensed the production of the two initial variants and even assigned them internal model numbers.  The weapon's design is firmly American in origin, regardless of subsequent variants.  Stop changing this. -- Thatguy96 20:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be safe to say the production methods and requirements are Canadian, the design is not dramatically different from any other AR-15/M16 pattern firearm in terms of its basic operation.  It was developed jointly by Colt and Diemaco at the same time as the M16A2 for the US military and is much more similar to early developmental M16A1E1 rifles. -- Thatguy96 (talk) 19:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapon origin 

message: *Support - I'm not entirely clear why the C8 section got split off.  Unlike the M4 Carbine, the C8 doesn't have a relatively seperate and complex history from its parent weapon, and in my mind doesn't have much potential for expansion beyond where it is now.  If expanded, all it would contain is largely duplicate information about the functioning, setup, and origin of Canadian AR-15 pattern weapons that is already found in the C7 article.  Unless it can be shown to merit a separate article, I think the section should be moved back in.  -- Thatguy96 (talk) 12:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: *Support - As in the last instance, I'm not entirely clear why the C8 section got split off.  Unlike the M4 Carbine, the C8 doesn't have a relatively seperate and complex history from its parent weapon, and in my mind doesn't have much potential for expansion beyond where it is now.  If expanded, all it would contain is largely duplicate information about the functioning, setup, and origin of Canadian AR-15 pattern weapons that is already found in the C7 article.  Unless it can be shown to merit a separate article, I think the section should be moved back in.  -- Thatguy96 (talk) 15:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New merge proposal 

message: (C8A1)
"The improved C8A1 (Diemaco C8FT) is essentially the same as the C7A1, just in carbine form, and is currently the best carbine in the world."
i dont edit wikipedia, but i think this is obviously a personal opinion. would someone take care of it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.251.82 (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias? 

message: Given that of the nine forces mentioned, five of them are the four branches of the military of the Netherlands plua the Marine Corps, wouldn't it make more sense to combine these as 'military of the Netherlands', much like was done with Denmark? SeverityOne (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netherlands 

message: I am the only one who notices the heartily unencyclopedic tone of the entire Foreign Armies section?--99.250.177.248 (talk) 04:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Armies 

message: I don't know who made the table of weapons and their designations, but the C9 is not a rifle developed or manufactured by Diemaco or colt nor is it part of the m16/C7/C8 family of weapons. The C9 is a light support weapon made by la Fabrique Nationale de Herstal in Belgium and is used by the Canadian Forces as a squad support weapon(like the m249 in the American Army). since this is the case, please delete the C9 part of the table in order to avoid confusion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.58.213.15 (talk) 01:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This got added in the last 2 weeks and then went unnoticed because of the absurd back and forth over the "origin" of the weapon.  Someone should change it back to N/A as it originally was.  The C9 is the Canadian designation for the Minimi and someone obviously got confused at the term "LSW" and put it in there under Canada, not understanding the purpose of the table.  It was definitely not in the table to begin with, so lets not hold me accountable (the maker of the original table).  -- Thatguy96 (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it back to N/A. I didn't notice the change actually until I saw it mentioned on the talk page. I presume there are no objections? RWJP (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The revert war over the origin of the C7 is ridiculous, it was Colt/Diemaco who joint designed the gun. No need to change anything there... RWJP (talk) 16:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case there will be no problem providing a source that meets Wikipedia:Verifiability. TangoSixZero (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

text: C7 is from orgin updated version of the M16 by Diemaco. Then in 2005 Diemaco was buyed by Colt that makes the M16. The M16 is based on the AR15 and that is based on the AR10 that is developed by a Dutch Company. https://www.defensie.nl/organisatie/landmacht/materieel/bewapening/colt-c7-c8nld-5.56mm 2001:1C03:491A:D900:989F:3016:2379:11E6 (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: I've been hearing some noise about who is the design/engineering authority of the C7 rifle. It is Colt (USA). Diamaco had the license to build a version of the M16 called the C7. I was the Quality and Technical Services Officer, Canadian Armed Forced Technical Services Agency, 301st. Our detachment was located in Kitchener, Ontario and our sub-detachment was located in the Diemaco Plant. At one point, I was the Acting Detachment Quality Manager overlooking our group at Diemaco. One interesting difference between the M16 and the C7 was the barrel for the C7. It was chromed to increase life. The logistics of the rifle was to replace parts when they have worn out as quickly and effortlessly as possible. However, CAF has a history of making their materiel last as long as possible, hence, the chrome. Unfortunately, every 1000th round would disintegrate as it left the muzzle. Not good for friendlies standing nearby. I remember one afternoon sitting in the dark with a bunch of people watching a bore scope monitor as it inspected every single millimeter of a slowly rotating barrel from one end to the other looking for clues to this problem. Torontofred (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Design/Engineering Authority for C7/M16 

message: "The C7 has, like the M16A2, a semi-automatic fire mode and a fully automatic mode."
The M16A2 does not have fully automatic mode. It has burst and semi only.--Senor Freebie (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect information 

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message: The armament of the SOG is classified information therefore there are no reliable sources for this claim and the only weapons that have been shown in official pictures are the Swedish AK5 and the G36 therefore I'll remove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.226.121.108 (talk) 04:55, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish SOG 

message: "Concerns that Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry had with the C8 led to the creation of the C8FTHB."
I have found no source at all for this information after researching, so it is probably best for this section to be revised or removed unless someone can turn something up. Nick3111997 (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  C8FTHB unverified claim 

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