Talk:Soviet anti-Zionism

message: This article is so biased it should be removed completely.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conv (talk • contribs) 02:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Dunutubble (talk) 00:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: Could somebody please insert something about the origin of the term "Zionology" -- I understand that the user Yms (see the bottom of the talk page) has written here a while back that, while being a Soviet (Jewish) citizen (and student and Komsomol member) in the '70s and '80s he never heard the term. 
I am also Russian-speaking, have a personal interest in the subject, and am Jewish and decently educated, but I was wholly unfamiliar with the term prior to finding this article. Hence, while it's indisputable that the Soviet Union espoused anti-Zionist political currents, which it certainly promoted through academia, it's difficult to see at this point whether the term is in fact a Soviet one (I'm sure that, if so, it would have been a very obscure one), or whether it was coined in the West, possibly as a term emerging in the USSR critical scholarship during Glasnost, in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, or even elsewhere, to refer to these anti-Zionist doctrines. If anybody has information on the origin or coinage of the term, it'd really help out the information provided here, and I'd personally appreciate your effort.
Thanks,
209.183.32.47 (talk) 04:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the Term

message: I was born in Moscow, Soviet Usion and live in Moscow now. And I NEVER heared such term as "Zionology" from any source except this article.--Nixer 13:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please take a look at the refs and ext. links. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I took a look, one source states that Yuri Ivanov was a founder of "Zionology" but Ivanov's book of 1969 never mentions this word. Can you give at least one native Russian source of 60-70s which uses it? --Yms 04:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm 

message: I lived in the USSR in the 70-80s, being in Komsomol in the 80s, studied in a university, heard a lot of "anti-Zionist" propaganda, remember a lot of Party documents we had to read and hear in the mass media, but I never heard of this word. The most complete Russian dictionaries in http://gramota.ru find only синология (sinology). You cand hardly find it in any Russian dictionary published in the Soviet times. The only explanation for this is that it's a very obscure word not used in practice by Soviet anti-Zionists. It may be very convenient to say "Zionology" instead of "Soviet anti-Zionism", but it does not reflect the real state of things. At least, obscurity of this term must be reflected in this article. The article itself should be probably renamed to "Soviet anti-Zionism" because it is its real subject. --Yms 04:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A very obscure term, if ever existed 

message: This article overlaps substantially with Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict, and a merge seems to be indicated. --John Nagle 19:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Zionism and Israel are not only about the Arab-Israeli conflict, nor was the Soviet Union's opposition to them. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest merge to [[Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict]] 

message: OK, just looking at (edit summary), it tells: "bring a conspiracy amongst the Soviets to spread antisemitism" ??? Of course there was no conspiracy. That was simply an official ideology and policy of Soviet state. Yes, sure, there are already some sources and one can bring a lot more. My very best wishes (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The Soviets were extremely philosemitic and even had laws against anti-Semitism as well as being the first country to recognize Israel. This wiki reads like some Leftist pseudo-intellectual blog. 80.6.70.42 (talk) 03:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: well, you might want to look at  Doctor's Plot, Night of the Poets, and the rest of :Category:Antisemitism in the Soviet Union  DGG ( talk ) 03:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doctor's plot is nonsense. 24.112.163.59 (talk) 03:04, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a garbage article 

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message: The coverage of the subject suffers from two major drawbacks: it misses two vital points:
*Zionism was strongly opposed by the Bolsheviks from the very onset of Bolshevism, since it was allegedly in contradiction of their theory of "Proletarian internationalism" and masqueraded the interests of the bourgeoisie under the guise of misleading concept of "national unity". After Stalin's brief stint of support of Israel (which, in Stalin's words, was supposed to be "an awl in ass of the Arabs which will make them to turn away from Britain"), the Soviet anti-Zionism simply returned to the preexisting "party line". In particular, the phrase in the lede "While the Soviet Union initially pursued a pro-Zionist policy " was grossly misleading (I added a minimal fix right now).
* In addition to the above, the Soviet andti-Zioniosm can be markedly split into two phases: before Stalin's support of Israel and post- Arab–Israeli conflict. 
**In the first phase Bolshevist anti-Zionism was purely ideological, and I summarized above
**In the second one it became a kind of straw man argument: The Soviets invented their own definition of "Zionism" and tirelessly fought it. 
I am not an expert in political science, but maybe later I will add a sentence of two to fix the above, but others are very invited. Loew Galitz (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major issues 

message: When the article was called Zionology, it made sense to have Mahmoud Abbas here, but the article is called "Soviet" anti-zionism, not anti-zionism in general. This section should be deleted or moved to another page. Abbas's antisemitic conspiracy theories have no connection to the USSR in this article, and if there are some, they should be included. Regardless, this section is undue weight even if it is tangentially related. Catboy69 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbas not relevant