Talk:Orichalcum

message: An alternative way of understanding the word, "oreichalkos" (or orichalcum), would be to assume that it came from Greek word "orao" (meaning to see or look... to let oneself be seen, appear), "chalkos" (meaning copper... bronze). Put together they could mean: "seeing-copper", "looking-copper", or "transparent copper". Transparent means "through-appearing" but it is not the transparent thing that "appears": the transparent thing allows another object to be seen through it. Oreichalkos—"seeing copper" or "looking copper"—could be used to fuse to other substances that allowed people to look into objects or through them. It is possible that if energy is passed through it; it could give the desired effect of flashing red.  
:The above was originally added by 71.97.153.79 on 2005-12-12 and later moved to here on 2006-08-15 — JamesEG (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's a bit of a rum statement.  If, as the article makes clear, nobody knows what orichalcum is, how can anyone claim a certain find is made of it? --Suttkus 04:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes: perhaps Clementina Panella's team don't know what they're talking about. That certainly does seem to have motivated the deletion. --Wetman 05:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: In various places--one an older version of the Wikipedia article on Korean mythology--I've come across references to similar "lost red metals" in Asian cultures.  Supposedly the Korean one was called "Yugi", but one would like to know the hanja for that.  The Japanese equivalent was used as the name of one of Yoshimitsu's swords in "Soul Calibur 2"--which I don't have.
I think it would behoove this article to mention, briefly, that other cultures have similar legends, if better sources than video games can be found for their names.  Nagakura shin8 (talk) 07:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I found it (by borrowing SC2 from my sister!)--the Japanese metal was called hihiirokane or hihiirogane, which I'm guessing is written 日色金, meaning "sun-colored metal" (bronze? copper?).  Unfortunately the only references to it that I can find are from the Koshikoden, which is, I believe, apocryphal. Nagakura shin8 (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other cultures? 

message: This line: "The Golden Plates of Mormonism, although not called orichalcum, were reported by Joseph Smith's brother William to be a mixture of copper and gold, and have "the appearance of gold."" bothers me slightly. If they were never claimed to be made of orichalcum, why is this in here? I've deleted the line.
If the line is re-added, I think it should at least be re-written to emphasise the fact that the plates have never been demonstrated to exist in anything other than Joseph Smith's fantasy. His brother, who would have a definite bias, cannot be relied upon as a neutral and objective source. Therefore, the source cited for this information should be someone other than Smith, his family or anyone from the LDS leadership of the time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.93.133 (talk) 07:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormonism? 

message: "According to Critias, recorded by Plato, the three outer walls of the Temple to Poseidon and Cleito on Atlantis were clad respectively with brass, tin, and the third, which encompassed the whole citadel, 'flashed with the red light of orichalcum.'" 
This statement, near the top of the article, is untrue. These three walls are not on the outside of the temple, they are on the outside of the islands, similar too a walled fortress. The temple to Posidon and his wife Cleito is Silver.
Remilo (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake

message: Wouldn't "legendary metal" or "unidentified and possibly mythical metal" be more appropriate? There's probably a real basis to at least some of the uses of the word...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.138.217.49 (talk) 05:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "fictional metal"? 

message: The esoteric section is highly biased and borders on presenting the fiction of individual "prophets" as either truth or widely accepted beliefs. I beleive it should be razed and replaced with a factual account of mentions of orichalcon in theosophy and its derivative faiths, and maybe a sentence or two about Edgar Cayce.
Now it reads more as Cayceian evangelism than an encyclopedia.
Also, no, HAARP does not work on that principle. :)
213.163.40.100 (talk) 09:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just came across this. It clearly doesn't belong in the article and I would have removed it if it was still in the article. Dougweller (talk) 09:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be a waste of time. We do use paywalled stuff at times but that's usually thinks like major media sources and peer reviewed journals. I don't have time to spare for this. Dougweller (talk) 10:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esoteric bullshit 

message: There's a reference (in the line about the series Slayers under "In television and movies") to a "god-like diety".  If nobody can explain to me how this isn't redundant, I'm going to change it in a few days.  I'll also fix the period hidden in the quotes there, which I wish I'd noticed before making my other update. --Suttkus 12:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree.  That way, we would be able to move some of the references in the intro text into a separate section. Blackbird_4 08:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

text: @ZFT Me too, and I also think that the fact that Orichalcum is also featured in an Aquaman movie as a volatile power source, maybe unless the spelling I copied makes this comment incorrect. 72.83.128.234 (talk) 21:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: In his The Book of the Sword Burton devotes a short chapter to this, with a lot of detail. Dougweller (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A .pdf of the book may be found at burtoniana.org.  davidiad { t } 18:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Francis Burton 

message: Found an article that speculates a shipment metal was found in a shipwreck. Not sure on best practice to include this, but I thought I'd drop a line in here anyways. ourweakness (talk)
:I found a similar article at the Tech Times dated January 9, that indicated that it was not the correct mix possibly? Challenger l (talk) 05:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible discovery? 

message: The late professor Willy Ley thought that Orichalcum could well be Amber.AT Kunene 123 (talk) 13:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did he publish this research or assessment of available documents?  Please give us at least that information — or, why bother mentioning anything at all?  Anyways, amber would not do well as a load–bearing structual component.  What was Ley's rationale?  — JamesEG (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amber 

message: The single source for mentioning that dive does not say anything about identifying the ingots as “orichalcum”.  There are a few other publications which do; either I or someone else should collect the claims and the evidence proposed as to why various persons are purporting those ingots were ever named “orichalcum” — maker's marks, surviving cargo manifests, or other such documents.  — JamesEG (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 recovery of 39 ingots 

message: What would be source for platinum in Ancient Old World? Perhaps Africa or India? Pure wild speculation, though... Ultima Thulean (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platinum?