Talk:Arman Manookian

message: Why isn't Arman's middle initial included in this article for Google search purposes? Every time I type in Arman T. Manookian Google search, I get Frazer Art subject instead of the Wikpedia articles on him. Moreover, every time I  click on to your reference to Johnseed blog, I get a website that is no longer active. Has the site been attacked by Turkish hackers?Monte Melkonian (talk) 01:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? His whole middle name is in the article. And I've tagged the dead link, and even though linkrot happens, it's still a viable reference (there may be a new url we aren't aware of, or an archive somewhere). I'm not sure what you mean by hackers, especially the racist bit about Turks. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 12:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would my comment be racist? Why do you make such silly and absurd accusations? Why do you insist on having a dead link for reference? Why is it when I do a google search for Arman T. Manookian, I don't get the list of Notable Marines to come up instead of Frazer Art? I think your tone indicates a foul disposition for the truth. Why is that? Monte Melkonian (talk) 01:22, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:Linkrot about why deleting a reference is not warranted, even with a dead link. And Wikipedia have absolutely nothing to do with how Google operates or ranks pages in searches. If you have a problem with that, contact Google. And please read Wikipedia:Civility. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 22:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle initial and ref

message: The reason given for not including Manookian on the List of historically notable United States Marines is he is already listed on the List of notable United States Marines, which as the editor stated here is the more appropriate place to list him.  If you think otherwise, then please discuss on the talk page of the list you think he should be on so that consensus on the issue can be achieved.  Thanks & Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 03:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Manookian on list of historically notable Marines

message: I have tried to informally resolve the editing issues on Arman Manookian to no avail. As a matter of fact, I requested mediation with no response. Moreover, a consensus of Assisting Editors informed me, when I tried to include Arman Manookian on the List of Historically Notable Marines, that Arman Manookian was merely a clerk and nothing more and did not warrant such inclusion and was not part of Marine Corps History. Based on that guidance, I deleted references to McClellan [a Marine Corps Historian] on Manookain's page. Now, I note, the very same editors who opined that Manookian did not warrant inclusion on the List of Historically Notable Marines, insist on including McClellan's name and the Marine Corps on Manookian's page for propaganda purposes. I have repeatedly pointed out that this type of inclusion detracts from Manookian's accomplishments independent of the United States Marine Corps History. It appears as though a double and convoluted standard applies and it is very offensive to Armenians. Moreover, 3 linked references to McClellan and the Marine Corps confuse the readers as to who really the article is about. Is it about Manookian or Mclellan or the United States Marine Corps? Although I am assuming Good Faith, several witnesses are absolutely dismayed at this type of conduct and it should be noted that it gives the appearance of Bias for a POV and propaganda. I don't believe Mediation is consistent with an Editing War. Moreover, as I stated before in assuming Good Faith, it appears as though Manookian's page is being collaborated to sell art and recruit for the Marine Corps. Yet when simple solutions are offered, such as including Manookian and McClellan on the List of Historically Notable Marines, it is ignored because his last name ends in IAN and the fact that he committed suicide as a self imposed martyr. Despite the fact that on the Editor Assistance page the question posed was not answered and then listed as answered, I followed the guidance of those editors who in essence stated that the reason Manookian was taken off the List of Historically Notable Marines was because he was a clerk and McClellan only said nice things about [his name and fame are intertwined with it [Marine Corps History]] him because he felt sorry that Manookian committed suicide and not because he had anything to do with him being the first Marine Corps historical artist/illustrator. I followed their guidance and hope you follow their guidance as well.  This type of conduct cannot stand and it will be noted or publicized. Moreover, there seems to be a concerted effort by so-called volunteer editors who have a keen eye either on my edits or on Marine Corps History that have a problem with historically notable Marines whose last names end in IAN or who volunteered for suicide missions. Apparently, it has something to do with recruitment of Armenians for Martyrdom during WWII and the Marine Corps' subsequent treacherous conduct of ignoring those very same Armenian American Marines for political and financial reasons. At this point I ask that an administrator watch this page very carefully as it relates to an Armenian American Marine who cannot defend himself from scavengers. Monte Melkonian (talk) 00:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Request For Mediation In Removing Mclellan and The Marine Corps From Manookian's Page [Armenian Issues]

message: There has been discussion in the paragraph above on whether to include a reference to McClellan on this page or not to include such a reference in the Manookian article.  In order to achieve consensus on the issue, please indicate here as to whether you support or not support such a reference.  Thanks & Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of references to McClellan (redux)