Talk:Boys' Brigade

message: There's no article for the Girls' Brigade!  I am scandalised! Helen.
 - Well... write one!  That's what it's all about!
Just a note: I altered the description of the Staff Sergeant's stripes based on personal experience and my copy of the Brigade Uniform Regulations. Staff Sergeants wear their stripes point up level with the bottom of their right shirt sleeve, in distinction to other non-commissioned ranks who wear theirs pointing down on the upper right arm. Killiedaft 01:21, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Girls' Brigade

message: I've done a fairly thorough proof-read and edit of the whole article - some grammar fixes and sentence structure improvements.  Also started trying to split the article into sections but I think more work is needed on the "History" part. As a Junior section leader, I've also updated the description of the awards scheme. Halsteadk 22:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article tidy-up

message: The external links list is getting rather too long - Wikipedia is not supposed to be a links repository!  I'm afraid this probably means removing the links for individual companies, on the basis that there is no reason to provide links for these companies and not others, and it would be unfeasible to provide links to all companies. (It is perhaps also worth noting that the vast majority, if not all, of these links has been added by anonymous users.)  I'd suggest that links are only provided to the national BB organisations and that there is then no need to have country sub-headings. Halsteadk 22:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: This old chestnut is a perennial discussion.  the suffix "ize" is not an American trait.  Most words in British English that end with this suffix can be "ise" or "ize" (there are some exceptions as there are words that should end in "ise" in American English.  In fact the OED prefers the use of "ize" as do many accademic sources. .  "ise" in British/commonwealth English seems to have crept into use more over the course of the latter twentieth century (find any old English dictionary and you will srtuggle to find "ise").  It has reached such ubiquity outside accademic circles that many British/Commonwealth readers often mistake the "ize"  as Ameircan.  Most dictionaries now list both suffixes as acceptable in British English, but if we are writning an international project and we have a choive it makes sense to use the spelling that would be usiversally acceptable to all English Speakers and matches other existing links (IMO the rule should also apply to examples such as Gaol and Jail in British English and Ketchup and Catsup in American English). Dainamo 13:05, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Above all, consistency within an article is most important. Whether -ise or -ize is used, one variant should be used throughout, and if that is already the case, anyone unnecessarily changing between them could legitimately be reverted. See WP:ENGVAR for guidance. Halsteadk (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: izes and ises

message: Seeing as the BB is an global movement with different rules, structures, etc. in different countries, wouldn't it make sense to have national articles?
Someone has started a page for the Boys' Brigade in Malaysia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Axfangli (talk • contribs) 13:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Articles 

message: The global nature of the BB movement makes it extremely difficult to have a unified system. I think this should be kept in mind when adding to the article.
My last edit to the Leadership section is based on what I know about the Malaysian, Australian and British BB hierarchy. From my (limited) research, Colour Sergeant and Drum Major are not NCO ranks (see http://www.boys-brigade.org.uk/leaders/library/regs/regs.htm) so I have removed them.
I am aware of the possibility that other countries might have adopted their own system though. If this is the case, please indicate this in your edit.
Another possibility to consider is that a company might have made their own changes which are not in accordance to their national regulations. It's happened before (see paragraph 8 in http://members.aol.com/bbashhton/spelt.html) so please be careful!
Axfangli 06:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global differences 

message: In my last edit, I removed the mentions of the Geneva cross and the Red Cross to simplify the sentences. Does anyone think this might be an issue?
I have a hunch that the Boys' Life Brigade derived its emblem from that of the Red Cross movement, but have no proof or disproof. Does anyone have any info on this?
Axfangli 13:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The cross and the BB logo 

message: Bob K 23:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boys' Brigade Wikiproject 

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message: The boy's brigade in Northern Ireland is pretty much exclusively a protestant unionist organisation. Usually ran in Orange halls or presbyterian halls and not inclusive of the catholic youth. The runners habitually fly union jacks and other loyalist flags especially when taking formal group photographs. To be honest up until reading this article I was unaware of the Boy's Brigade being anything other than an organisation for the loyalist youth. It is almost completely viewed by the catholic community as an organisation for forming good little unionists on their way to being good orange men, and not as an inclusive christian organisation  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.253.16 (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Ireland 

message: With reference to this section; 'Private' is listed as an NCO rank. Surely this is incorrect? Obscurasky (talk) 09:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a rank within the system in that a Private isn't an NCO and vice versa. So I think it needs to be mentioned here, but should be made clear. Halsteadk (talk) 12:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't understand this response. I was a BB officer, 25 years ago, so maybe things have changed since then? Obscurasky (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boys as Non-Commissioned Officers 

message: I've moved the above section here because is has multiple issues which need addressing before it's reinserted. The information seems important, but is completely unsourced. It's poorly written and has POV issues running right through it. Even the section title is POV.Obscurasky (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: At the very least, it is UK-centric and does not reflect the movement worldwide. Some Brigade territories have been accepting Girls into their membership for quite a few decades. - Bob K | Talk 16:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent advancements with the Boys' Brigade 

message: Firstly, I just changed infobox logo on this article from :File:Boysbrigade anchor redesign copy small.jpg to :File:Boys' Brigade Anchor (traditional colour version).svg on the basis that although The Boys' Brigade in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland tend to use the modern ('slanted') Anchor for most uses (but not all, e.g. badges), the BB in most other countries generally appear to use this more traditional form of the Anchor, or something more closely based upon it. Therefore I think it's more appropriate given that this article is supposed to cover the BB in a worldwide manner. (It's also an SVG, rather than a bitmap). It might be too tall right now though?
Secondly, whilst I've made no change yet, I'd ask whether the www.boys-brigade.org.uk link (to the website the BB in UK and RoI) should really be in the info-box for this article, given that it's supposed to represent a worldwide view?
Finally regarding the worldwide view topic again, would other agree that much of the UK/RoI-centric content in this article should be migrated to The Boys' Brigade in the United Kingdom (which surely should be 'The Boys' Brigade in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland'?), whilst for this article perhaps cover these different topics in terms of what's common and what's different about the BB around the world?
In the interest of disclosure, I am involved with The Boys' Brigade, by way of being a leader in a local UK Company as noted on my user page. However I do not seek to make any changes to BB-related articles that would make them promotional; that said if anyone sees any changes they think are problematic, please do feel free to challenge/remove them.
Rfdparker (talk) 18:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anchor, website and worldwide view 

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message: The current article is still somewhat UK-centric. The BB as a movement was fairly uniform worldwide until 1967 when major changes in BBUK encouraged other countries to start implementing some localisation which has since evolved to the unique blend of BB programmes that we have today in the various BB jurisdictions. Perhaps the article can be re-written to reflect the pre-1967 uniformity as well as other standard features that are shared by the BB across the world with the localisations linked to the individual national and sub-national BB Wiki pages. - Bob K | Talk 10:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Internationalisation of the article