Talk:Octavarium

message: I'd just like to note that until we get some solid information on what is mentioned in the specualation section, despite the fact that you can speak Latin and know of old books and whatnot, you need to step back and remember that you are posting in the "speculation" section - nothing is fact yet. Let's just leave it at what it might be, not what it is or isn't. Dav
Should we remove these sections now? 80.189.241.114
There's a lot of speculation going around that the time signatures of the songs actually correspond to their track numbers (i.e., track 1 is in 1/8 time, 2 is in 1/4 time, and so on).. however, I can't for the life of me tell. Might somebody be able to verify this?
:There are a LOT of things like that going on in the album. I can't go looking for it now, but go into the MikePortnoy.com forum and look for a thread entitled "Octavarium nuggets" or something similar, there are a lot of hidden references and the like all through Octavarium.  plattopustalk June 29, 2005 23:41 (UTC)
What's interesting is that the title track is only 23:59 seconds long when played in my computer... And I've got the ablum version.
:Different computers and different media players/codecs can read track times slightly differently. Offski 14:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: i Think James LaBrie sings the words 'Nightmare Cinema' on the title track, is this notable at all?
I noticed that too, I think it's worth noting, but doesn't have much relevance to the actual album.
That's all covered in the article for the title track so I don't think it's necessary to add here  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erufailon42 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is This Notable?

message: I think it's alright to list the chart performance - but the form in which it is listed now is not good enough. For example, which  charts are the records on? Should it be displayed in a table? 
Idono 17:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart performance 

message: I removed this from the "Speculation on the title" section. It appears to me that the sentence was written back when Octavarium wasn't released yet, and as such isn't applicable anymore. If that's not the case, please don't bite :) --qviri talk 22:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  my change 

message: This album sounds like Linkin Park. The sound became very nu-metal and industrial-ish. Was that the band's intention? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamesse (talk • contribs).
:Are you sure you've got the original "Octavarium"? It hasn't anything to do with Linkin Park, neither with nu-metal nor industrial metal. Maybe Train of Thought sounds a little bit like nu-metal, but Octavarium, no way... --Λeternus 19:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to their musical style? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dream Theater - Octavarium.jpg

message: Octavarium is considered by plenty of people as a concept album, the concept being something along the lines of "history moves in cycles". Portnoy's described it as "one big nugget", since the numbers 5 and 8 literally show up through the entire album. Shouldn't Octavarium have some sort of section recognizing this? Perpetualchange (talk) 19:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a section on the 5 and 8 and golden ratio references, but it was removed at it only contained original research (see above). If you can find reliable sources which say that Octavarium was a concept album and that 5 and 8 show up all over the album then we can put it in. If there are no reliable sources, then to add material discussing it would be considered original research, which is a big no-no on Wikipedia. Una LagunaTalk 17:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: what do you think of a source like this? that's about as good as I've got. Perpetualchange (talk) 15:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The dt.spatang link you gave is a fan site. Fan sites do not count as reliable sources. The other source you put in the article does count as a reliable source, so it's great you found it. However, it only briefly mentions Octavarium so we can only refer to the brief bit it mentions, as you've done. If you can find more reliable sources then feel free to create a section about the album's concept. Una LagunaTalk 07:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Concept Album

message: Why did every single review except Allmusic.com get removed? why is this also happening on other Dream Theater articles. Those another reviews have just as much as a right to be listed and it also shows other opinions. why are they getting removed? If you ask me, i think it's stupid. --J miester25 (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell? 

message: i just briefly looked over the article. it doesn't tell me a goddamn thing. its a shame. there is so much information out there that we aren't putting on this article. there's nothing about recording sessions, tours, history behind the article, what is relevant about the album, only one professional review NOTHING. come on guys. i thought we were better than this. --J miester25 (talk) 11:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always be bold and improve the article yourself. Finding reliable sources with which we could expand the article would be very helpful. Una LagunaTalk 21:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

text: The other day I was looking for sources to use to improve this article (), but if you're going to hang around this article and be unconstructive then I'll go work on an article where people won't hassle me. Una LagunaTalk 09:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: wwwwwow i go away for a few months and it sucked. now its fuckin awesome --J miester25 (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad you approve :) Una LagunaTalk 09:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article sucks. 

message: Well, what i mean by this is that initially, all songs of Scenes from a Memory seems 'glued together', i.e., no intervals between. The end of this CD matches with the beggining of the next one, SDOIT. Again this happens with SDOIT and Train of Thought, and with this one and Octavarium. Then, brilliantly, the end of Octavarium matches with itself. Should'nt this be mentioned? Khullah (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's discussed by a reliable source, yes. If not, no. Una LagunaTalk 09:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: it's mentioned in Lifting Shadows (the DT biography), so I've included it with other information on the album's concept. :) Una LagunaTalk 10:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about 'the end of several albums cycle'? 

message: Can I ask why every time I add Allmusic ratings they get deleted? I think all albums should have some professional review associated with them, so people reading the article have an idea what the album is like. 
--Andy (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason your addition keeps on getting deleted is because you are adding information which is already in the article. Look at the Reception section and not just the very top of the article. You will see that Allmusic, along with other reviews, are listed in a template there. Having the review scores at the very top of the article, and the Reception section near the bottom of the article is rather nonsensical. It would mean a reader would have to do lots of excessive scrolling when reading the Reception section. Una LagunaTalk 09:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Well that's embarrassing for me. --Andy (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, don't worry about it. We all have to learn at some point :) Una LagunaTalk 19:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings? 

message: I think Octavarium can be considered a sequel to Metropolis Pt 2. Nicholas is shot in the end of Metropolis pt 2, but instead stays in a coma state. He awakes briefly in Octavarium only to die later, stating he's trapped inside an Octavarium, as he's doomed to reincarnate and be killed over and over.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.9.192 (talk) 00:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Octavarium as sequel to Metropolis pt 2? 

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