Talk:Harrogate

message: The origins of the name of Harrogate are somewhat uncertain, so I'm not sure whether it is worth including a reference in the article. There are a few sources on the net that quote "Har Low Gata", meaning 'Grey Hill Road'" as being the original form. But I can find no source in RL for this. That said, the word "gate" in a town's name does usually derive from a scandinavian word meaning "road" or "way".
"A history of Harrogate and Knaresborough" by the Harrogate Local History Group has some details about the origin of the name. The earliest recorded references to the town come from Knaresborough court rolls dating from 1332. A variety of spellings are used including "Harugat", "Harougat", "Harowgat", "Heywraygate", "Harowgate", "Harwegate" and "Harlougate". The last one suggests "road to Harlow", but it is one of the least common forms of the name. 
Apparently the first recorded citizen of the town was one John of Harrogate who was unfortunate enough to be caught hunting in the King's woods and brought before the magistrates in Knaresborough. 
Harlow Hill is a prominent local landmark, so it is likely candidate for the origin of the town's name. That said, the site of Haverah Park (a Royal Park) lies just beyond Harlow Hill. Haverah used to be known as Haywra and so is also a potential source of the name.
Another history of Harrogate translated "Harlow" as meaning "Soldier's Hill". As mentioned above, a number of 'net sources translate it as "Grey Hill".
Myself, I reckon the name existed in a few different forms and was taken by different people to relate to different local landmarks. This led to various different pronunciations and spellings, until we stumbled upon the current form. So the origins of the town's name reflect a typically human confusion.
:The first two ("Harugat", "Harougat") seem most likely to me. The local pronunciation is 'Arrer-gut'. The 'gut' is consistant with the way Scandinavians pronounce their word for street. Only very posh people and southerners say 'Harrow-gate' so I doubt 'Harrow' or 'Harlow' had anything to do with it. From what I remember 'Harlow' is not particularly close to the original High and Low Harrogates in any case.GordyB 08:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a forum for general discussion. Are there reliable sources?--Charles (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of "Harrogate" 

message: Has the reference, "Harrogate is strongly connected to Leeds, and is part of the Leeds City Region," been checked? Because as a Harrogate resident I'm not sure this is accurate, certainly not based on all the taxes, etc that I pay -- additionally, they are technically in different counties, covered by different police forces, councils, etc.
:There is no official connection but Harrogate is just commuter belt for West Yorkshire.GordyB 08:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leeds Connections 

message: When the right hand infobox was added on 1 March 2006  by Achmelvic the population was entered as "73,510", whereas the first paragraph states "85,128 according to the 2001 census". I've altered the population in the infobox to 85,128. I googled and http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/harrogate.asp seems to state the population is 150,000 so hey, if anyone knows the deal, please change it! --RickiRich 02:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population discrepency

message: According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2007/01/10_things_we_didnt_know_last_w_11.shtml Harrogate is one of four UK postcodes that do not have a Tesco. Is this [a] true and [b] worthy of mention? Grant McKenna 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that the other three places are extremely remote parts of Scotland, it is amazing. Definitely worth a mention.GordyB 16:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tesco

message: The result was: Merge --B. Wolterding 17:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposed (Oatlands, North Yorkshire) 

message: "Woodlands has been the scene of many Gang related attacks some involving drive by shootings over recent years which are linked to local gang 'woodlands man dem'. The area gained a notorious reputation for the infamous 'Woodlands riots' in 1987"
Sorry - what on Earth is this nonsense? I've lived here for years and I've never heard of any drive-by shootings, much less any "Woodlands Riots"! This is total fantasy. If you have any evidence of these "events" please cite it, otherwise - stop talking crap. Nsign 10:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Woodlands" section

message: The population figure quoted in the  article is for the Harrogate local authority which is the whole borough and not just for the town. The figure in this article should just cover the town the higher figure should apply to the Harrogate (borough) article. Keith D (talk) 23:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that in the UK, statistics aren't produced for each town, but for the boroughs. So any population for Harrogate town is basically just a guess or estminate. The population can't be much lower than 150,000 though; Harrogate Borough is large but it's nearly all rural. Ripon is the only other settlement of any significance. At a guess I would say Harrogate has a population of around 110,000-120,000 but it's anyones guess. It's even harder to know when the last census was 2001, and Harrogate is not in a metropolitan county.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.254.252 (talk) 23:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs to be qualified in the article because as it stands it is not clear and is misleading. The 2001 population can be worked out by subtracting each of the civil parish figures from the borough total. That should leave the unparished Harrogate town area. Keith D (talk) 23:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Population figure

message: I was looking to add SimplyHarrogate.com to the external links section on the Harrogate page, but an editor has removed the link.
SimplyHarrogate.com has been going almost five years now and unlike most dirctory sites it provides free links to the websites of any business in Harrogate, making it a good old comprehensive source when searching for restaurants, estate agents etc in the town. You also don't just get an address and phone number with website links only for the one or two companies that have paid.
I would invite another editor to repost the link if they too feel it would be a worth while addition and resource.
Allianceredfox (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a web directory for business. If people wish to locate Harrogate businesses they ought to use a search engine. You'll notice that featured articles like Sheffield do not link to commercial web sites such as your own and I don't believe it would be right to start doing so here. I wish you good luck promoting your business elsewhere. --Richardob (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simply Harrogate 

message: The population of Harrogate is 158,000, this is misleading.  This is for the Harrogate area, both figures should be given as they are for Leeds.  In reality the population of Harrogate is about 50/60K.
Mtaylor848 (talk) 23:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Does anyone else see the need for a list of places of worship.  I have removed it once, but someone seems intent on putting it back (an unregistered user).  No other pages on towns produce long and irrelevent lists of buildings in the town on the main page.  I would say that this section, coupled with the several images of churches, over emphisises the section on 'religion', which only warrents a short section (any more should be spun off into a satalite page).  If there is no impassioned defence for it, I shall trim the section down and remove the list. Mtaylor848 (talk) 12:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As the list exists then I would spin it out into another list page as per List of churches in Greater Manchester rather than just delete it. Keith D (talk) 13:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places of worship 

message: Can someone sort out the link please - not the Dr Who connection. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have sent link to wikidictionary entry as we have no suitable article here. Keith D (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kursaal

message: In the article it says: Harrogate is Britain's capital for online pornography downloads. However, the reference doesn't say anything like that, does it? Am I blind? --Dionysos1988 (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All I can see the article says is "Take a bow Harrogate, which, according to the research conducted for this programme, is Britain's capital of online porn consumption." Depends if you can equate downloads to consumption. Keith D (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In my view, it has to be definitely indicated that it is the newspaper who says that, because there's no further reference of it. I think it is a mistake just to accept statements like these uncritically. --Dionysos1988 (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

text: In my opinion such a serious accusation should be absolutely verified. If there was a show that aired there is corroboration. This should not be hard to verify and use as a good reference and as a protection to Wikipedia. I also read the vague reference that, as written, is slander which is, "Take a bow Harrogate,   which, according to the research conducted for this programme, is Britain's   capital of online porn consumption.". This is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy to use as is. The "fact" may be true but but as I understand the policy it can not be assumed as fact by vague references (even if a reliable source) and ascertainment by an unsigned editor. I am going to take this out until such time that it can be properly sourced and referenced since it is "true" thus fact. Otr500 (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a bad joke? 

message: Wellington? Any reference? This is not present in the Wellington article, so if you have any reference, please edit the Wellington article accordingly. 89.224.77.117 (talk) 05:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twin cities 

message: I've been trying to find which of the saints named Robert the Roman Catholic church of St. Robert's is named after.
It is almost certainly Robert of Knaresborough, but I can't find a single reliable source that would say so.
I would be very grateful if someone could point me towards a quote from an authoritative book or the Church's dedicatory documents or anything of that sort. Even a guide book entry would do for the time being.
Thanks in advance!
Primaler (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which "Saint Robert" is St. Robert's Church dedicated to? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I have suggested on Western Primary School that it should be merged to here, as it is a non-notable primary, as per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Any comments gratefully received.CalzGuy (talk) 11:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: School merge

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message: I propose merging Harrogate Built-up area into this article. It fails WP:GEOLAND and can be covered here. Eopsid (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Urban Area Merge proposal

message: I understand that Harrogate has the best preserved turkish baths in the UK, and yet there is no section on this facility in this article. FreeFlow99 (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Baths 

message: I have removed a sausage company from the list of Comanies associated with the town as they have no link to Harrogate. Their inclusion was an obvious marketing tool. 146.200.132.68 (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Company