Talk:Albus Dumbledore/Archive 3

message: Does this article really need to mention every time Dumbledore speaks in the series, and explain the history of his youth three times? I think some consolidation by someone with more editorial fortitude than I is in order. AdjectiveAnimal 15:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. The information of his early life and pre-publication story is repeated in "The Life and Lies". Lord Opeth 20:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much?

message: *The article says that Dumbledore was born in Godric's Hollow. However, we see in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore was already born before his family moved to Godric's Hollow. I've edited that part out, please discuss if you think otherwise. --Pavithran 23:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth place 

message: The article should show Umbridge was headmistress as well as dark arts teacher at the bottom, succeded by Umbridge, succeded umbridge. She was the headmistress regardless of whether she was let into the heads office. Her appointment was at no point challenged by the board of governers and she held teh post for a non trivial time. Just as coup leaders or despots would be reflected in such terms your dislike of the character shouldnt prevent listing as such.
But neither her nor Snape have portraits in the Headmasters office...almost as if they weren't "accepted" by the magic of the "Founders". I would refer to them both as "Interim Head of School". B.K. 23:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headmaster 

message: How does Albus Dumbledore live so long?
JK has stated that wizards tend to live longer lifes than muggles. Several of the OWL examiners are older than Dumbledore.
Wizards do live longer than Muggles, but it's not sure how much longer. As we can see on the Black Family Tree, the Blacks don't life long for wizards, so there could be a (big) difference between wizards. And we shouldn't forget Dumbledore is a very, very, véry powerfull wizard, so the reason why he lives longer could be because he has very good magic abilities.
True, but considering the Blacks' nature, they probably got themselves killed, and please sign your comments with four tildes (~). Therequiembellishere 06:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been no suggestion in canon that the Blacks as a whole did anything to get themselves killed early - they'd hardly be considered respectable if every few years, one ended up on the bad side of an auror. More credibly, if they were a vaguely upper-class family who didn't mix with 'lower mortals' very much, and kept themselves locked up in that house a lot of the time rather than going out a lot, they can't have been particularly resistant to Dragonpox and the other nasty diseases... Michael  Sanders 14:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regulus got himself killed by Voldemorts followers, Sirius by Voldemorts followers, his mother seems pretty argumentative as does Nigellus Black his gg something. Reggies father and uncle died the same year reggie did, and his father was desperately trying to protect their house. Bella became a death eater, and indeed killed her cousin. Sounds like they were good at making enemies, not least their own close relatives. Sandpiper 07:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and that run of killings caused the family to go extinct in a matter of 20 years. If they've been persistently so incompetent in matters of their own mortality, one would imagine it would have happened a lot sooner. One can be argumentative without having a death wish. Michael  Sanders 18:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regulus got killed in the cave of the bracelet horcrux. It was assumed by Sirius that he was killed by Voldemort's followers but now proven wrong by Kreacher's tale in HP7.--128.176.232.57 00:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you sure? If that's true, then that would put him at 19 during the first Chamber of Secrets incident. --Capefeather 21:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is definately said in HP7 that Dumbledore was young when he met Grindelwald for the first time. I think he could have been at maximum 25 when duelling Grindelwald in 1945. Which leaves little place to seeing young Tom Riddle as a teacher. There simply must be a flaw: Tom Riddle just is too old! If he was 10 years younger and had attended to Hogwarts in the 1950s, everything would be fine... But there is no proof whatsoever or even reason why Dumbledore should have been over 100 years by then.--128.176.232.57 00:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a miscalculation in the age of Voldemort. Riddle is taken from the orphanage at age 10/11 by a Dumbledore teaching at Hogwarts! And seeing as Dippet tells Riddle that he is, at age 18/17, simply too young to teach, a Hogwarts teacher is probably never younger than 25. Also, Dumbledore's hair and beard is auburn when he picks up Riddle, which ought to emphasize the not too grand yearspan inbetween the two of them. 62.107.120.111 09:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth date / Age 

message: I don't recall any of the books mentioning that Aberforth works as bartender in the Hog's Head, anybody have any proof of this? 68.40.190.172 21:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right: there is no confirmation in canon of this. However, the barkeeper is described as looking vaguely familiar to Harry (presumably because of having seen the Order photo at Grimmauld Place - one would expect him to notice if he looked rather like Albus), and Harry also notes a smell of goats. Rowling was then asked in some sort of interview if the barkeeper was Aberforth, to which she apparently laughed and said something like, 'you're very good, what makes you say that'; the response was 'the smell of goats', to which she replied that she had very much enjoyed writing that clue. True, it isn't a cast-iron confirmation, but it is pretty firm. Michaelsanders 21:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes she has confirmed that Aberforth is the Hog's Head's bartender. See: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/aberforth.html Therequiembellishere 06:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aberforth is a bartender?

message: Since we don't wish to give away spoilers in the intro, shouldn't the verbs be pesent tense?
Either way, they shift from present to past, to present again.  They need to be changed in any case. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derfy (talk • contribs).
:O RLY? There's a spoiler in the intro of JFK. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 18:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because JFK is about a real person, and not a fictional book or movie, it's not a spoiler… you can't be "spoiled" because you found out that JFK died. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 19:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense in intro 

message: Does anybody know why the picture was deleted?  John Reaves 21:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't a clue, but I'm going to upload another one since it appears it might possibly have been unexplained. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I'm missing something, it says in the article that the versions of  prophecies made by Trelawney and Dumbledore are different. Could anybody pls tell me the difference? I hope someone would tell me on my talk page. Thanks! katZ 03 01:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prophecy versions 

message: TOO magical, nonsense for some, I can see some improvement coming along
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:I agree.
:This should be about the Dumbledore character, and not evrything related to it. Think of Dumbledore as a non-fictional character, but a real person, and then there should be an improvement to the article. DorTheScripter 16:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Magical

message: I think the quote "After all, to the well-organised mind, death is but the next great adventure. - Albus Dumbledore" should be moved the end of the death section where his views of death are discussed.  It seems to be wholly out of place where it is.--Helgers7 09:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  misplaced quote 

message: The rest of the article seems sound, from a grammatical standpoint.  The initial sections were atrocious and I have tried to clean them up.  I also removed a reference to Dumbledore's "constituents"(?) Ccrashh 01:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial section cleanup 

message: The current picture  of Dumbledore seems a bit pixelated to me..., and just not the greatest pose showing Dumbledore. Also, I'm not sure if others agree with me or not, but I think perhaps a picture showing Michael Gambon as Dumbledore would be best, seeing as he is the current portrayal. Anyone else agree, or disagree, with me? Nazgul533 talk contribs 01:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree. Since, you know, Richard Harris ISN'T Dumbledore anymore. -Sukecchi 11:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: i agree Delighted eyes 21:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  I think the most suitable illustration for Dumbledore would be a Mary Grand Pre illustration, as it is the closest from the original source.  Ok, fine I don't really love Gambon in the role, I don't think he reflects the character on the book, but that's besides the point.  Like I said, I think a Mary Grand Pre illustration would be better. -- Byakuren 02:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are entitled to your opinion about him as an actor, however, I don't usually poke into Harry Potter articles, but don't articles about important characters use movie images once they are available? -Sukecchi 20:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: With the Release of Deathly Hallows, this article needs, in my opinion, a gigantic rewrite. Dumbledore's life features prominently into the novel, and I personally feel that if we take a systematic approach twords this, it will not appear fragmented, as many articles on fictional characters tend to be after a significant event in the canon (season finale/new movie release/etc...) Zytch 00:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: I have removed the entire "Futures" section, as the speculation in it is no longer relevant due to the release of the seventh book.
Overmage 18:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed "Futures" 

message: Why does it say that Kendra Dumbledore may be a muggle born? 
It is said many times in Deathly Hallows that many people thought that "she [Kendra] was ashamed of having produced a squib daughter [Ariana]." I doubt they would have believed this if Kendra was indeed a muggle born.
Loopywelshemz 20:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kendra Dumbledore: Muggle Born? 

message: "Dumbledore is the common name for Geotrupes stercorarius, also known as the Dor Beetle, Clock or Lousy Watchman, an insect which visits the Shire each year, as mentioned in the poem "Errantry" by J. R. R. Tolkien (published in The Tolkien Reader)."
I looked at the article on Geotrupes stercorarius and I didn't see the word Dumbledore there. I therefore put a cite tag on the section. Valley2city 00:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geotrupes stercorarius? 

message: One of Rowling's Exeter University Profs. See this Indedpendent article  Hogwarts uncovered: The last remaining Harry Potter mystery  "Is this white-haired professor the inspiration for Dumbledore?" Godspeed John Glenn! Will 03:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this white-haired professor the inspiration for Dumbledore?

message: In the final book it states both Ariana and Abreforth were younger. But who was older Aberforth or Ariana?
Aberforth started Hogwarts 3 years later according to DH Chap 2 but Ariana was seven 1 year previous to Albus starting so they must be twins. It's wierd. LizzieHarrison 09:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age? 

message: The section should be improved, I don't think it is fair or neutral to say that Michael Gambon "puts a shame Dumbledore's name, portraying him as violent and unhappy". The director of the film decides how the actor portrays the character. Plus I don't agree that he portrays Albus differently than in the books.
85.15.244.19 18:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film portrayal, Actor 

message: As it has been a point of contention over at the article for Severus Snape, I thought I'd bring it up for discussion before outright removing them. Succession boxes are not appropriate for fictional characters, per WP:WAF. If someone has a good reason why they should remain, please share it. Faithlessthewonderboy 16:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for clarity's sake, let's do the same with as was done with Snape's article and remove them at the end of the day if no-one has given a good reason for keeping them. asyndeton 16:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got no problem with that. Faithlessthewonderboy 16:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession Boxes 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Phoenix3.jpg

message: What on Earth?! Eye colo(u)r and hair colo(u)r are missing from all HP characters; how, when and why?
:They were removed from the template as non-notable and crufty. In other words, the information is better explained within the article, as there are differences between the books and subsequent films. Infoboxes are for showing constants, not variances. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hair Colour and Eye Colour