Talk:Filipino people of Spanish ancestry

message: Before you add anymore names please make sure that you have the following as clear proof that they are of Spanish ancestry:
1. If the person listed has their own article then that article must mention that they do have someone in their family with Spanish and Filipino ancestry and a reliable source to prove it. If this person listed does not have an article of their own then you must provide a reliable source next to their name.
2. They should be Filipinos who are either born, have lived or is currently living in the Philippines. Otherwise please do not include them since this is an article talking about Filipino people who have Spanish ancestry in them.
If any of the names listed do not follow these points then people have the right to remove them. If you have any questions then feel free to discuss them. We are doing this to keep the article as accurate as possible. Thank you! =) Blueknightex (talk) 10:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I might cut that section down to half now. According to Wikipedia standards, articles are not archives of people's names and its not an advert or official list of who in the Philippine business, music or media industry is half-Spanish. The purpose of that section is provide examples. So please refrain from adding anymore on that list. Bleubeatle (talk) 04:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions about adding people to the "Notable Filipinos of Spanish ancestry" list 

message: This article needs lots of clarification. It shouldn't be "Spanish citizens" in the Philippines, because that doesn't make sense, they're of Spanish descent but their citizenship is the Philippines, so they're not Spanish citizens, they're Filipino citizens. My goodness. But I admire the idea of this article as important to the assessment of the entire population of the Philippines. 
Erasing this sentence: "the Spaniards have since integrated and became part of the Philippine society" because they have always been a part of Philippine society, it implies that they were never Filipinos, which is of course false, because they are as Filipino as any brown-skinned person  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.70.59 (talk) 02:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added her back. My bad.Blueknightex (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonzales ending with an S is not even spanish put Portuguese!--76.213.237.154 (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Re "they're of Spanish descent but their citizenship is the Philippines, so they're not Spanish citizens, they're Filipino citizens" above, the article says, these people are mostly descendants of the migrants to the Philippines during the colonial period. One wonders where in the line of descent from the migrating ancestor(s) Spanish citizenship was lost, or whether it was lost at all or lost in all cases. As I understand it from Spanish nationality law#Loss and recovery of Spanish nationality Spaniards by origin who acquire Philippines nationality don't (under current Spanish law) loose their Spanish citizenship (I don't know how long this has been the case). Also, my understanding is that both Spain and the Philippines generally follow Jus sanguinis, and that a child born with at least one Spanish national and at least one Philippine national parent would be national of both countries. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino Citizens not Spanish citizens Needs lots of clarification

message: Why it is "Filipinos of Spanish descent"? Why not "Spaniards of Filipino descent"? It's neither of the two things! It's a mix. Thus, it should be just "Spanish-Filipinos". With the actual name, you are supposing that all the mixed Spanish-Filipino people are from the Philippines, when it is not truth. Look at Isabel Preysler or Enrique Iglesias: they are not "Filipinos of Spanish descent"; they are "Spanish-Filipinos". Onofre Bouvila 18:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re above saying "Well, Isabel Preysler is a Filipino of Spanish descent because she was born in the Philippines", where is the logic in that? Both Spanish nationality law and Philippine nationality law are based on Jus sanguinis. Except in rare special cases, the birth location is of no significance at all. What matters is that at least one parent is a citizen of Spain and/or a citizen of the Philippines. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The article name must be changed

message: Please cite sources, references and when, eg. 9,000 in 2004?--Jondel 09:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Verificability

message: Most Spaniards are forced to speak the standard, eg. Catalunyans,Basques are forced to speak Castillian in the Philippines.--Jondel 09:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t know for sure if that’s accurate, but that is interesting, because I myself have never heard Catalan or Basque spoken or even mentioned by any Pinoy, including Catalans and Basques themselves.
My grandmother used to speak Valenciano as a child and was forced to speak in standard Philippine castellano.--Jondel 00:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard Spanish

message: There were actually many Mexicans in the Philippines during the colonial period. I don't know if they should be mentioned.--Jondel 01:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexicans

message: why aren't there a great amount of Spanish Mestizos and/or full blooded Spaniards in the Phlipines as there is in Latin America. People have said it was because there wasn't any work in the Phlipines as there was in Latin America. What about the silk? Could it not be a great place to trade silk with the Chinese in there Spanish colony the Philipines. Well they say it was hard to get there. How? they did get there obviously. So how hard is it to get there again? Again why so many Spanish Mestizos and full blooded Spaniards in Latin America and not so many in the Phlipines. There is a fair amount of Filipinos who look or even are mistaken for Latinos. Even though Filipinos who have Spanish surnames does not always nessiarly mean they are of Spanish orgin. But surnames that were not given to familes by the Spanish and surnames not taken by the Family means they have Spanish orgin.
:There was a mass exodus of ethnic Spaniards during World War II, that’s why very few are now left.
::You mean, a mass exodus right after  WW2. Not many civilians could travel during the war. --Jondel 21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: question

message: I derived the figure of less than 1.5 million or less than 1.8% of the population from the Filipino mestizo page. Since we do not have the exact figures, I believe the infobox should retain the previous stated figure.
:I derived the current figure—3.5 million, or 4.1% of the total Philippine population (85 236 913)—from the infobox in the Spanish people article. Changes are welcome should more reliable sources be available.
Hey, I think 4.5 million is pretty high for a 'seemingly invisible minority, any sources?—23prootie 15:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that proportion (4.1% of the total Philippine population) is fair. I study in La Salle-Taft and almost half of the entire campus is made up of Spanish Mestizo looking people. Not only that, La Salle-College of Saint Benilde as well as Ateneo de Manila are also full of Spanish Mestizos. So I think it's really closer to what is really seen. —Matthewprc 12:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:V, people. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.." Also, other Wikipedia articles are not suitable supporting sources. -- Boracay Bill 23:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The number of Philippine citizens of Spanish ancestry

message: In which contexts do Spanish-Filipinos of this day and age speak Spanish, English, and Filipino?
:::Most Spanish-Filipinos nowadays don't speak Spanish anymore - except those who are old, who speak it among themselves (I occasionally hear my relatives) - other than that, they usually speak either English or Filipino. My Mestizo classmates in La Salle usually speak English (or to a lesser degree, English infused with Tagalog). I've never met any Mestizo who is under 40 speaking or knowing how to speak Spanish. —Matthewprc 12:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: is that the name of a Filipino-Spanish family? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.83.141 (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  escalante 

message: The opening line was changed as it was misleading. It was incinuating that on one hand Filipinos are Austronesian and on the other they are of Spanish Descent. Misleads the reader into thinking there is a significant population of Spanish/Filipino mestisos in The Philippines when in fact they only make up around 2% of the population. Please feel free to better word the first line as long as it states the facts without trying to mislead the reader.--Jandela 09:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True this, my thoughts exactly.--76.213.237.154 (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading opening line changed

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Paulino Alcantara.jpg

message: The Notable Filipinos section inclues all Filipinos who fall into that category. It should be reduced to notable ones instead of listing all.  Moretti80 (talk) 02:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Filipinos

message: I've noticed that some of the people listed as "Notable people" do not really have Spanish ancestry but rather they migrated to Spain and settled there. How would that qualify them as of "Spanish ancestry"? Like Paulino Alcántara for example?Bleubeatle (talk) 04:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity vs Nationality background 

message: I have moved the following ciontent recently added to the eend of the Spanish colonization section by [ this edit:
The assertions prior to the cite of this source don't seem to be supported by that source, and the rest is unsupporteed. Perhaps this can be reworked and added back in with supporting sources cited. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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