Talk:Darren Kelly

message: Due to continued reverting by an anonymous user I have provided clarification on this seasons statistics This is from start of tenure on 6 May 2016 to today (12 March 2017). 
Evidence taken from soccerway.com http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/hyde-united-fc/4749/ 
League - P34 W11 D11 L12  
FA Cup - P3 W2 D0 L1  
FA Trophy - P1 W0 D0 L1  
Cheshire SC - P3 W2 D0 L1 (one win was on penalties)  
Manchester PC - P1 W0 D0 L1 (one loss on penalties)  
Integro League Cup - P1 W0 D0 L1 (one loss on penalties) http://www.hydeunited.co.uk/teams/94781/match-centre/2-35913  
TOTAL === P43 W15 D11 L17.   <P>
If the anonymous editor would like to provide actual evidence of claiming it to be P44 W18 D11 L15 I'd love to see it. Xenomorph1984 (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for posting this.  Bear in mind that matches that ended as extra-time draws should be listed as such, regardless of how the penalty shoot-out finished. Also, The IP is adding unsourced statistics for Kelly's Derry City playing career.  Mattythewhite (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current edit war 

message: So the editing of these continues with fake stats. If its not Malibob (who I suspect might be either Darren himself or his mum owing to the only edits this person makes is to this page) then its non registered IP's - but all have them same lies - every time Hyde draw or lose they are edited as a win! 
Today saw the removal of the original job with Hyde (Played 6, lost 6) and merging with his 2nd stint at Hyde but those 6 defeats not mentioned. Xenomorph1984 (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistic editing

message: Darren has been in charge of Hyde United from March 31st 2016 to present with no other manager being appointed or taking temporary charge for any games.
So this should be one period of management not 2 periods.
Most non-league teams renew a managers contact season by season, so do you count that as different periods of management?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delboy1966 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darren's Managerial statistics At Hyde 

message: To date;
League Cup - Drew at Runcorn Linnets lost on pens
Competiton	       P	W	D	L
League	              28	11	7	10
FA Cup	               2	1	0	1
FA Trophy	       2	1	0	1
Manchester Premier     1	0	0	1
Cheshire Senior	       1        0	0	1
League Cup	       3	2	0	1
Total                  37       15      7       14  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delboy1966 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats for the season 2018/19 

message: I accepted your reasoning for the counting as one single reign as apposed to two. 
With regards to the penalties. Yes because (and I personally think its mad!) a win or loss on penalties is still a draw. Penalties are not considered as part of the result. The result ends at the end of regular or extra time. Penalties whether won and progressed or lost and knocked out - its still classed as draw. 
I revert your edit but kept the merged two stints (you are correct), I even checked some other caretakers such as Darren Moore and yes his tenures are merged for WBA. 
See Heirro's record at the World Cup - W1, D2 in the Group stage. Then drew with Russia and lost on pens. His record is W1, D3, L0.
Further evidence see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia_national_football_team - Croatia record at WC. Listed as P7 W4, D2 L1. They won all 3 group stage games, Drew 2 going through on pens against Denmark and Russia. Beat England and lost to France.
Xenomorph1984 (talk) 23:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Penalties

message: I've again reverted a change to this article that changes and removes a significant amount of existing referenced material. The new edits are partially referenced, but also introduce a new referencing error for an undefined reference named "The Team: Darren". I don't think there's consensus about removing all this material and making the surrounding changes, so I'm starting this section to investigate the veracity of the proposed changes. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing errors and removal of referenced material