Talk:Multiphonic

message: It's a start. Would particularly appreciate it if someone more well-versed in physics could expand this, as well as someone who can quote more literature that uses them. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:42, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Physics

message: This is a fascinating article.  A few things:  
*Von Weber used multiphonics?  I'm a music major and that just blew my mind.  We need examples of pieces because really, being a brass player, I find that astounding, if not unbelievable.  Maybe we could get some public domain music up here; I'd be happy to transcribe it.
*An audio file is worth a thousand words.  Anyone with a decent mic know how to do this?  Because I don't.
*Definition of "horn chord".
That's my 2 cents.  Great job so far. Logank 04:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Few things

message: This is not very good, and it really should be reworked. The part with musicians who do multiphonics is really silly because every master class in contemporary techniques will go through them, and pieces like Berios Sequenzas are something every graduate will play. It's such a mainstream thing these days that every young composer ask for them regularly in the contemporary music field. Books on contemporary techniques should also be referred to like Peter Veale's book on oboe technique and Carin Levin's book on flute. Also the book "New Sounds for Woodwind" (1967) by B. Bartolozzi should be referred to, this was the one that really started the trend.
--83.248.239.86 (talk) 20:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Entirely true. The list of composers who use multiphonics is "everyone who has written for woodwind since 1970" at the very least. 71.23.141.223 (talk) 05:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind of silly article 

message: I'm not sure how thoroughly this has been "classified" etc (certainly no Bartolozzi book here), but while throat singing is certainly the most widely known vocal multiphonic practice, numerous numerous numerous multiphonic vocal sounds are possible that have nothing to do with either of the two throat singing traditions.
71.23.141.223 (talk) 05:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal multiphonics 

message: The recording of trombone throat singing is awful, and should probably be replaced with a better recording.BassHero55 (Message me) 01:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What would make it better? Sound quality, performance technique, context? Hyacinth (talk) 06:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trombone throat singing recording 

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message: The information I painstakingly added is pertinent to "multiphonic" and not "polyphony". Andrew.levine (talk) 14:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please reinstate my edits 

message: "A multiphonic is an extended technique on a monophonic musical instrument (one that generally produces only one note at a time) in which several notes are produced at once."
This definitely includes the Theremin! Monophonic by design, but you can use the volume control to shape the timbre in a way comparable to modulating wind pressure on a reed instrument. Andrew.levine (talk) 05:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement "several new notes that are the sums/differences of the frequencies of the sung note and the played note are produced" pertains also to additive & subtractive synthesis... Andrew.levine (talk) 05:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: An example of using add-ons to generate multiphonics: "Other multiphonic extended techniques used are prepared piano, prepared guitar and 3rd bridge." Looks like filtering / FX to me. Andrew.levine (talk) 05:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I can't help but feel that the deletion is the result of a bias towards purely acoustically generated multiphonics. Andrew.levine (talk) 05:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Once again, taking the description of multiphonics and applying it to other things which are not described as such in the literature is WP:OR. And again, please WP:Assume good faith. Unless reliable, secondary sources apply the term to such use-cases, we can't include it. It is simply not our place to extrapolate like this. StereoFolic (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original definition of multiphonic 

message: Looking at this definition… "Multiphonics defy the bassoon’s nature as a monophonic instrument by creating chords or clusters of notes. They are composed of a fundamental note plus certain harmonics that are manipulated from the instrument by either fingering patterns or air stream."
https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/29042/Erb%2C%20Sara%20%28DM%20Bassoon%29.pdf
…the exact same pertains to my use of multiphonics on Theremin and modular synthesizer! I create "chords or clusters of notes […] composed of a fundamental note plus certain harmonics" by manipulating components of my instrument, consisting of the Theremin as controller and modular as sound producing parts.
Where is the problem? Only because so far the term "multiphonics" has rarely been used in relation to electronic instruments it is obvious the definition can be applied directly. Andrew.levine (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bassoon multiphonics - Theremin multiphonics… what gives? 

message: I feel that you mix correct observations with incorrect assumptions as well as Wikipedia guidelines, and when you try to refute my arguments you just end up stating the latter(est).
"To infer from the product descriptions that they are describing something that could be called "multiphonic" is WP:Original Research."
I am just applying the definition! "A multiphonic is an extended technique on a monophonic musical instrument (one that generally produces only one note at a time) in which several notes are produced at once."
- The Theremin is a monophonic instrument
- Using control voltages to transmit pitch and amplitude data I feed a modular synthesizer
- Creating varying overtones
"I cannot find any reliable secondary sources which describe synthesizers as "multiphonic." 
This statement is correct. But it does not mean the above listed definition does not apply, because it does. I am not inferring anything, just reading closely.
"In my view, this is a hard requirement for inclusion in this article."
This is (I believe ;-) a subjective assessment. Again, if the above definition is correct and does not single out purely acoustic instruments–and not include prepared piano etc.–it can logically and _objectively_ be applied to electronic instruments.
"The internet is replete with discussions of acoustic multiphonics, but for synthesizers the word appears very rarely used."
Correct.
"If any electronic module that modifies the overtone structure of a signal is considered multiphonic, then just about every pedal, filter, and module would be included."
The definition lists an "instrument". I assume "musical instrument". Defined as…
"A musical instrument is a device created or adapted to make musical sounds"
While a standalone pedal, filter and module can not be called an instrument a combination e.g. of Theremin and synth is definitely a match. Andrew.levine (talk) 06:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, applying a definition to a use-case that secondary sources do not use is OR. If virtually nobody else is using this terminology, we must consider the possibility that expert consensus is that the term does not apply, for whatever reason. Since it seems be are stuck here I am going to request a third opinion. StereoFolic (talk) 14:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, just wondering if there ever was a third opinion? Andrew.levine (talk) 13:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, yes, that was Seraphimblade's "3O Response" replies above. StereoFolic (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of clarity in your argumentation