Talk:Adobe Type Manager

message: I just made a large edit to this article to include more "historical" information about ATM. For someone looking for this software's origins, I've created a jumping-off point.
I was thinking about including a bit of information about Bitstream's FaceLift, why ATM came to be in the first place (namely, Adobe wanting to monopolize the PC font business), and even a bit about Microsoft's attitude toward ATM preceding the launch of Windows 3.1 (along the lines of "Sure it will work, but TrueType's better!"). There isn't really a place for these things in this article right now, however.
ATM played a vital part in the "font wars" of the 1990s. I'd like to see at least a little bit about that in this article, but I didn't really see another article to link to for a more in-depth look at the phenomenon.
As for what I did add to the article: I left it up to someone else to find information on what the latest version of ATM for Windows 3.0 was (2.5, right?). And I know more than DV and OS/2 had ATM support, but I'm hard-pressed to find out which other systems included it. (I seem to recall some RISC machine having ATM, at the least...) And, my unsourced comment about WordPerfect 6 may be slightly inaccurate; my rusty memory tells me that Adobe modified ATM to be integrated into the program and its font installer. I couldn't find any evidence of this on the web, however. (I wish I still had all my old WordPerfect Magazines. I know one of them had a cover story on WP6's font support.)
Hopefully other retrocomputing fans will take what I added and expand upon it further. Maybe that, in turn, will encourage others to flesh out the more current information and add some technical details. ;) I'm simply not qualified to do that.
-- Lewellyn 17:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments about large changes

message: Well, I went and added more info. Also, I noted that there are lots of vague and inaccurate dates scattered throughout the article. I removed some of them and tagged a couple more. I think all of the remaining dates are in the Macintosh section, which needs a bit of reworking. The Windows section could use a bit, too. But it's in better shape at the moment.
Cleanup that I think should happen:
* Revamp the Macintosh section: Remove all non-Mac-specific info and place it into an appropriate section; fix the dates (make them more precise and correct) or remove them, as applicable.
* Add any other competitors to the list, with appropriate links. Even better would to be to expand the section from being a simple list.
* Complete the release history. I've put in all the info that I know to be at least mostly correct. What are the policies regarding this sort of list? Do I need citations for all of these? Ought it to be a tabular layout? Is this a "trivia" section?
* Clean up Windows section: It's a bit disorganized and it seems to be giving advice in a couple of places. Either those places need proper quotes and cites, or they need to be reworded.
* Screenshot of pre- and post-ATM effects on font rendering. Perhaps both on a Mac (System 7 would probably give the best example) and on Windows (3.1 here, for the same reason).
* Citations for miscellaneous bits. (e.g. Microsoft actually licensing the ATM code. Did they actually license some other IP from Adobe to support Type 1?)
Any other thoughts are welcome.
-- Lewellyn 17:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup info

message: There are vague dates in this article. These need to be corrected where they're outright wrong and should made less vague than "around XXXX" where they actually are correct.
-- Lewellyn 17:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: When

message: There are claims around the net that ATM is required for proper font rendering in Classic. Perhaps rewording and providing links to both sides of the debate would be appropriate?
-- Lewellyn 17:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: The info saying that ATM is totally incompatible with Vista is incorrect.
I am currently running ATM Deluxe 4.1 on a Vaio laptop under Vista home premium without any kind of conflicts at all.
It should also be noted that the following comment is misguided;
Windows Vista can use Adobe Type 1 fonts natively, making add-ons like ATM unnecessary.
Generally people use ATM for font sorting, grouping, turning fonts on/off on the fly and general management - hence its name. 
The fact that it handles Type 1 fonts is a byproduct. Vista or any other OS has ever nativly supported this kind of font management, so that comment should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.237.114 (talk) 18:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the functionality of ATM Light does seem to be unnecessary, and that's actually what most people used ATM for prior to Win 2000/XP... AnonMoos (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vista Compatibility 

message: I'm not convinced this list belongs in the article RJFJR (talk) 23:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology of releases

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