Talk:Ashmont–Mattapan High-Speed Line

message: Is this line in fact now closed as it was scheduled to be?  The MBTA site still talks about the June 24 closing in the future tense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GMcGath (talk • contribs) 13:45, July 20, 2006.
=== yes, it's closed ===
Yes, it closed as scheduled and I have been riding the shuttle bus to Ashmont since.  The current bus schedule can be found at , and the bus route map is at .  Note that the bus follows two routes: one over River St. and one over Brook and Central.  There's also a van that only stops at Ashmont, Valley Road, and Capen via Eliot St. because both bus routes miss those two stops.  (The Eliot route used to be handled by a bus that also stopped at all the other stops too, but it was replaced with the van either Summer or Fall of 2007.)
Also, there is no chance whatsoever that the trolley line will be back in service until at least early-to-mid 2008.  I've been watching the construction at Ashmont and they're just starting to put up the roof beams.  Currently, the back 1/3 of the inbound platform and a slice along the outbound platform are gone (to build roof columns).  Walls are nowhere near finished, and they're still moving moving dirt around in some parts of the site.  The station has to be at least most of the way done before the trolley line can reopen, as the temporary blacktop ramp leading from the temporary fare-collection hut to the inbound platform covers part of the trolley track.
Some good news about the trolleys: There was an item in the Metro a couple months ago stating that the Mattapan trolleys will have air conditioners installed when they come back.  (Previously they just had a fan in the roof.)  Many of the trolley stations are being worked on too.
Oddly, the shuttle buses' auto-announcer still says "Ashmont Station - Change here for Subway, Bus and High Speed Line"...
24.60.196.199 03:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The trolley line had reopened by January 2008. PJtP (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closed? 

message: Yes, it closed as scheduled and I have been riding the shuttle bus to Ashmont since.  The current bus schedule can be found at , and the bus route map is at .  Note that the bus follows two routes: one over River St. and one over Brook and Central.  There's also a van that only stops at Ashmont, Valley Road, and Capen via Eliot St. because both bus routes miss those two stops.  (The Eliot route used to be handled by a bus that also stopped at all the other stops too, but it was replaced with the van either Summer or Fall of 2007.)
Also, there is no chance whatsoever that the trolley line will be back in service until at least early-to-mid 2008.  I've been watching the construction at Ashmont and they're just starting to put up the roof beams.  Currently, the back 1/3 of the inbound platform and a slice along the outbound platform are gone (to build roof columns).  Walls are nowhere near finished, and they're still moving moving dirt around in some parts of the site.  The station has to be at least most of the way done before the trolley line can reopen, as the temporary blacktop ramp leading from the temporary fare-collection hut to the inbound platform covers part of the trolley track.
Some good news about the trolleys: There was an item in the Metro a couple months ago stating that the Mattapan trolleys will have air conditioners installed when they come back.  (Previously they just had a fan in the roof.)  Many of the trolley stations are being worked on too.
Oddly, the shuttle buses' auto-announcer still says "Ashmont Station - Change here for Subway, Bus and High Speed Line"...
24.60.196.199 03:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The trolley line had reopened by January 2008. PJtP (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  yes, it's closed 

message: "To reference the route as a 'high speed line' is a misnomer as the route is neither characterized by a fully dedicated, grade separated right-of-way, nor by high-speed rolling stock." This is rather odd... The High-Speed designation refers to it's dedicated right of way (I'm not sure what "fully dedicated" means- nothing else runs on the tracks, and there are only two relatively minor grade crossings) as opposed to the other streetcar lines ran by the Boston Elevated Railway in the 1920s, which ran directly in streets (see the "E" Green Line) or at best in medians (see the "B", "C", and "E" Green Line) with many at-grade crossings- this allowed a significant speed advantage over the other lines between Mattapan and Ashmont. --71.124.173.134 02:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The high speed designation came from a time when trolley lines criss-crossed major metropolitan areas in the United States, including Boston. The tracks for those trolleys or streetcars were on major avenues and streets competing with automobile and foot traffic, and were often unable to travel at high speeds for any length of time. Hence the designation of right-of-way lines like the Mattapan one, a leftover from the earlier more comprehensive trolley/streetcar systems, as "high speed." PJtP (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

message: I have corrected the infobox to be consistent with the text, which it had previously contradicted. Could somebody insert the two grade crossings into the route map diagram?  Reify-tech (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grade separation 

message: The premetro article contained a great deal of original research, and characterized a large number of light-rail or streetcar routes as "premetro" systems for questionable reasons -- like that the light-rail or streetcar system had a short tunneled section.  More recently the premetro article has been scaled back, to only include systems that verifiable authoritative sources have called "premetro" systems.
Unfortunately dozens of questionable incoming links were made to the premetro article, from articles like this one, that didn't supply any references that verified systems like this one had ever been called premetro systems.
I am going to place a  tag next to all questionable claims that provide questionable incoming links to premetro.
If no authoritative references ever called this a "premetro" system that phrase should be removed from this article, link and all.  Geo Swan (talk) 18:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Egads! I don't think anyone can in any way seriously claim that Ashmont–Mattapan High Speed Line is a "premetro" system. If no objections are proffered here, I'll go ahead and strike all "premetro" terms from the article in the next day or two... --IJBall (talk) 21:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's no evidence that I know of that this outlying service was ever planned to become heavy rail.  Reify-tech (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hell, do it right now! The Ashmont-Mattapan Line was built specifically to avoid building a metro line (a further extension of the Cambridge-Dorchester Line), not to make one possible in the future. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:20, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Unless I am missing something, there is no use in this article of the term "premetro" in the Ashmont–Mattapan High Speed Line article itself, nor any wikilinks to the premetro article. So it would seem this is a non-issue in this particular case... --IJBall (talk) 16:07, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this system a "premetro"?

message: There is currently only one count of inconsistency on MBTA's website, and that is the rail map carried over from the old website, and even that just says "Mattapan Line". Please also refer to the Transit feed data, which is matched on Google Maps. There is not a single mention of "High-Speed Line" on the MBTA website, and the timetable for the trolley has been separated from the Red Line timetable, also carrying the "Mattapan Trolley" name. Cards84664 (talk) 05:17, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move discussion