Talk:Ulster Banner

message: The flag of NI was designed in 1923, and the coat of arms taken from it, not the other way around. Where does the 1953 date come from? 
From Coat of arms of Northern Ireland
Neville Rodwell Wilkinson, Ulster King of Arms, had designed the great seal and flag of Northern Ireland in 1923.
Source:
Royal Roots, Republican Inheritance - The Survival of the Office of Arms, Susan Hood, Dublin, 2002  p.120.
She cites a letter dated February 23, 1923 from the Duke of Abercon (I think was the Governor of NI at the time) thanking Ulster KoA for his work on the flag design.
Lozleader 21:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1923 not 1953 

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message: This flag keeps being deleted..... Is it possible to block people touching the flag whatsover? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry what flag keeps being deleted and from where.--Padraig (talk) 18:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Ulster banner image. Speedboy Salesman (talk) 09:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted from where.--Padraig (talk) 11:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't see it on my PC, at the top of the page where the Ulster Banner image should be, all I see is the description. Speedboy Salesman (talk) 23:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So your unable to see the image in your browser, try clearing your browser cache and see if it loads properly then, there is nothing wrong with the image on wikipedia.--Padraig (talk) 01:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you mean the Northern Ireland page? Yes, thats because it isnt the Flag of Northern Ireland.--Vintagekits (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do I clear my browser cache? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on which browser your using, but in most cases your will be able to it through your preferences or options which will find in your browser menu.--Padraig (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I use Internet Explorer. Speedboy Salesman (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: There still is no citation for this being the name of the flag.  This is required.Traditional unionist (talk) 16:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Traditional unionist a source (preferably a legal/statutory source is required). I think it is time to delete the statement that it was officially named the "Ulster Banner". Frankly, it also sounds unlikely to be a name that would appear in legislation particularly as the name of the flag would then not correspond with the name of the region concered (i.e. NI). Redking7 (talk) 11:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If its not sourced, this requires a major renovation to how wikipedia refers to that flag.  This article needs moved for a start.Traditional unionist (talk) 12:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The Northern Ireland Government was given the right to have a Governmental Banner to represent itself, and the design of that banner was taken from the shield on the Coat of Arms, that is why its called the Ulster Banner and not the Ulster Flag.--Padraig (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whats needed is not a theory, or an explanation, but a source.Traditional unionist (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree again with Traditional unionist. I suspect but haven't researched the point, that the flag was the "Flag of the Government of Northern Ireland" (though for ease of reference could still be called the "Flag of Northern Ireland" for WP purposes - as the abolition of the government/Parliament of Northern Ireland abolished (in law) the flag whereas NI was never abolished. Any way, the point remains sources are needed. Otherwise, as TU pointed out, an article move and amendment are needed. Also, to my mind, one article Flag of Northern Ireland seems sufficient. Redking7 (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  the Union flag is the only "offical" flag of Northern Ireland ,Do a WP:RM if you don't agree with this name of this article their are two choices in my opinion
*Former flag of Northern Ireland or
*Ulster Banner Gnevin (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Your first choice is invalid as it is NOT the "Former flag of Northern Ireland". It is more accurately described as "Northern Ireland flag" that was used officially by the former government. It is the *only* "Northern Ireland flag" that has ever existed, and is still in widespread use - it has not been superseded. There is still no real high quality source that says that "Ulster Banner" is its name - most of us Northern Irish call it the "Northern Ireland Flag" or "Ulster Flag" - there are many sites that now call it the "Ulster Banner", but in every single case where I've seen this, there has been other text coming from Wikipedia - i.e. a circular reference created by Wikipedia itself. Jonto (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for name 

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message: When I was editing the image file for this I set the flag proportion 1:2, based on what was on the CRW Flags of the World site. However, I'm not sure that that site was correct, as I have seen 3:5 ratio quoted elsewhere. Does anyone have a good source to the correct proportion of the flag? Jonto (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is no longer a flag of the world, but it is used as a flag in the Commmonwealth Games and  shows its proportions as 1:2 on page 6, so I think that is a correct source as far as that has any meaning. Dmcq (talk) 08:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proportion 

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message: After making some minor changed to it, I decided to remove this introduction, which appears to be new:
"The symbol of a Red Hand within a six pointed star with a crown atop, with the backdrop of an English flag is actually not an 'Ulster Flag' nor an 'Ulster Banner'. This is due to the fact that it only represents the six counties of Ulster known as Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom. There are in fact 9 counties in ulster; Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Tyrone. The symbol or flag that represents the whole of Ulster is a Red Hand in the centre of a red Cross, with a yellow backdrop, called the Flag of Ulster."
The old description which I reinstated:
"The Ulster Banner (Irish: Meirge Uladh) is a heraldic banner taken from the former coat of arms of Northern Ireland, consisting of a red cross on a white field, upon which is a crowned six-pointed star with a red hand in the centre. It was the flag of the former Government of Northern Ireland and common flag of Northern Ireland from 1953 until that government was abolished in 1972."
The reinstated description seems to be more neutral/correct. It doesn't seem correct that the description of an article titled "Ulster Banner" would deny that this is the correct term. There's clearly a contradiction there, so either the description needed to change or the title did. If there is disagreement about it, it needs to be explained in the article. 86.27.249.220 (talk) 05:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted to old introduction