Talk:Gambeson

message: Greetings! Now, I am aware that vapn originates from the Old Norse vápn, Icelandic vopn meaning "weapon", however I am having a hard time tracking down the word treyiu. The article suggests the term vapntreyiu is of Medieval Norse origin, yet closest word I can find to treyiu is the Icelandic word treyja which is a double-buttoned jacket, sweater, or jumper. Treyja is derived from the Middle Low German word troye or troie, apparently. So I am curious as to where the word treyiu comes from and if it would be correct to use the term vápntreyja/vopntreyja as an alternative. Any information on the matter would be very much appreciated! -- 68.229.35.164 (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of the term "Vapntreyiu" 

message: The article has conflated a number of different protective garments under the same name - a gambeson was a quilted garment, usually of cotton, linen or silk, worn on its own or under mail or early versions of the coat of plates. It was characterised by being made of woven material. It was intended to absorb the percussive force of blows. With the advent of full plate armour the need for a padded garment declined as the deformation (elastic or plastic deformation) of plate armour absorbed percussive force anyway. As a result the garment worn under armour changed to the largely leather arming doublet. The function of the arming doublet was to prevent chafing from the edges of plate armour, to provide a substantial garment to which the laces used to secure individual items of plate armour could be attached, and as a base for the addition of mail sections to protect areas such as the armpit and groin. The arming-doublet developed into the buff coat, but was not identical. In short the gambeson was not the same thing as an arming doublet, and both were not a buff coat. Urselius (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend you try finding a (good replica) suit of plate armor, put it on and then have someone strike you, reasonably hard, with a piece of wood. THEN come back and tell us that a padded garment was no longer needed to absorb the percussive force of blows. Your claim can not only be established as wrong by experiencing it for yourself, it is also obvious from the development of weapons in the late medieval period, especially the flanged mace and the war hammer, which are intended to break bones by transferring percussive force through plate armour without penetrating it. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 10:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And the gambeson worn beneath plate armor was very minimal in thickness and padding ability, compared to the stiff and highly protective gambeons designed to be worn as standalone armor. Modern reenactors and combat sports enthusiasts go systematically overboard on the sub-armor padding. Armor was designed to save your life, not prevent pain or bruising. Medieval people had the technology to heal bruises and broken bones, but cuts could always be fatal due to infection.24.39.5.202 (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Urselius is correct. A Panzar/Wambais/Gambeson/Paltock is a quilted linen tunic stuffed with cotton and worn under a maile Hauberk or on its own as armour. An Aketon/Jupon/Zuppa/Pourpoint/Jack is a multi-layered, tightly stitched cotton tunic worn over other types of armour. An Arming Doublet is a base layer cloth tunic that a plate harness (suit of armour) is laced on to. 2.24.177.172 (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article not fit for purpose 

message: I feel 'armor' should be changed to 'armour' based on MOS:TIES since the spelling of the British Isles and Europe is 'armour' and the mediaeval period applies to these countries; a USA did not exist in this era. Nested articles linked to share the 'armour' spelling anyway, such as the German gothic armour, which is not German gothic 'armor'. So coherence. Wooblo (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  National ties spelling