Talk:Pinoy

message: I saw a  recently placed in this article regarding this.  I wasn't able to find a citeable shource, but apparently User:Christopher Sundita has traced usage of the term in the U.S. back as far as 1926.  See Much ado about Pinoy. -- Boracay Bill 05:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where/When coined 

message: At some point it may be appropriate to also add Mexipino which is a similar term of self-identification relating to those who identify as a combination of Mexican, Chicano, Filipino and Pinoy. Banjeboi 20:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Mexipino'' 

message: And it advertises a website in its caption's reference. --seav (talk) 00:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been bold and removed it. --seav (talk) 04:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The ref was to cite that it was a self identified Pinoy cosplayer at ... Pinoy cosplay website. It wasn't spam. Banjeboi 10:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the cosplayer photo really needed? 

message: Well Written: Pass
Factually Accurate and Verifiable: Pass
Broad in its Coverage: Fail
Neutral:Pass
Images: Pass
Stable:Fail
FONT COLOR=DARKGREEN:Pass
FONT COLOR=ORANGE:Needs Improvement but Passed nevertheless
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The article is too short and there are persistent vandalism.
So for now its I won't say pass.
Improve the article by being more broad and adding more facts.</font></font></font></font> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduhello (talk • contribs) 
:Really, this is about a word and the use of it. How broad does this need to be? And the article is quite stable with a rather low volume of vandalism. ::Banjeboi 19:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry.  The self-proclaimed reviewer did not even post the review in WP:GA, so let's just think that of this as a mere I don't know. Starczamora (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - I relisted it so hopefully it will go smooth from here.  -- Banjeboi 23:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry but there are pretty hardcore vandalisms like sex malubag listed in the history. Well I do respect your opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduhello (talk • contribs) 13:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: * Uh... why is a brothel used as the article's pic? Simoncpu (talk) 16:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For clarification, check . The image as used in the article on Prostitution is captioned as shown at the right.-- Boracay Bill (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinoy Bar 

message: I've just reverted the deletion of this image. My edit summary was truncated, so I'll explain further here.
The image was deleted by an anon user with the edit summary, "This picture used is from a brothel in Amsterdam; thus, it is insulting to the Republic of the Philippines and her People to be depicted in such a manner that is detestable, and abhorred."  I checked WP:CENS, and found that it says in part, "On Wikipedia, the general concept is that concepts should not be censored, and that media which illustrates such concepts should likewise be not censored, if it has encyclopedic value." I attempted to quote that in my edit summary along with some added remarks when reverting with WP:Twinkle, but my entered text was truncated. My intended added remarks were to the effect that the reasoning stated in the edit removing the photo did not justify the censorship.
As understand it, the question is not whether some consider the image "detestable, and abhorred" but, rather, whether the image adds sufficient encyclopedic value to the article to justify its inclusion. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship of the "Pinoy Bar" photo 

message: A pinoy is not a thing. The word "pinoy" is a noun. Of the categories that classify a noun (persons, places, things, states, or qualities), the term "pinoy" would be classified as a type of person, not a thing or place as so depicted with the photograph of a bar. If there is a consensus agreeing to post this photograph of the bar in this article, then I suggest that it is not located at the top/introductory section of the article. Instead, a photograph of an actual pinoy, a Filipino man, would be very much more sensible as opposed to posting a photograph that uses the term in another context--naming a bar.XXXpinoy777 (talk) 03:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph of "Pinoy Bar" should be removed 

message: The term pinoy is used to refer to people who came from the Philippines right?
So does that include Filipino residents and citizens? Filipino blood or not?
Blueknightex (talk) 08:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like many words its usage has evolved. Whereas it may have only referred to those who moved to America it now is used by some to refer to all Filipinos.  -- Banjeboi 02:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The usage of the Term "Pinoy" ? 

message: I've removed this entry as it seems unreliable and unneeded.  -- Banjeboi 02:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Blog removed

message: I have heard that the fighting style of filipino boxers in USA in the 1920s or 1930s was called pinoy boxing and official boxing rules some years later were changed to stop them winning against white champions?
Anybody knows whether this is true?
If so, it should be mentioned in this article about meanig of pinoy.
Might be interesting to add some details about exact dates, name of one or two prominent fighters, what was different in their fighting style and what rules were changed.
if sources available, of course....
nn  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.202.16.240 (talk) 02:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinoy boxing

message: "Both Pinoy and Pinay are still regarded as derogatory by some Filipinos though they are widely used and gaining mainstream usage."
Is this actually true, or should it read 'some Filipino-Americans?' The word is used [everywhere in the Philippines itself](http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=Pinoy+site%3A.ph) (media, advertising, you name it) including [by the government](http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=Pinoy+site%3Agov.ph) with no apparent sense of it being derogatory or pejorative. The reference supplied is to a book on Asian Americans, not Filipinos in the Philippines, so I suspect it should.
I've been bold and changed it, but as I am neither Filipino, Filipino-American, nor particularly knowledgeable in the subject, feel free to discuss/ revert if you know better. Blorg (talk) 05:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only offensive to Americans/ Filipino-Americans? 

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message: Removed the following as completely unsourced:
::The term, though in popular usage, is still considered by most Filipinos as a racial slur and derogatory.
Also removed this, I looked up the source and it is not in it. It also completely clashes with the etymology further down in the article that the term originated among Filipino Americans in the United States in the 1920s, and comes from Tagalog, not English:
::It dates to the early 20th century when American soldiers in the Philippines mockingly called Filipinos as "Pee-Noys".  
I looked the cited book up on Google Books, there is no reference to "Pinoy", "Pinoys" or "Pee-Noys" in it whatsoever. I note no page number is given in the reference. As far as I can make out this idea that it comes from English slang word "pee" meaning urinate is NOT supported by the source and was just completely cooked up by whichever editor added it, this is complete bullshit.
The Oxford English dictionary gives its origin as from Tagalog.
Wiktionary gives it thus:
::Last two syllables of Filipino + y; Pinoy caught on with the Florante song “Akoy isang Pinoy”("I am a Pinoy") that became mainstream with Filipino culture to denote their country of origin and background.
This is also the explanation given previously in the article. Whether this is accurate or not origin from Tagalog IS supported by the OED which is a reliable source. Historian Dawn Mabalon, referenced further down in the article, also claims it comes from Tagalog.
The other source saying that it is offensive is a book by George J. Leonard called The Asian Pacific American Heritage: A Companion to Literature and Arts. Note the American. I also looked up this up in Google Books, and this is what it has to say:
::The United States immigrants and U.S.-born children call themselves Filipinos (Filipino Americans) while in the Philippines they call themselves Pilipinos (there is no letter "F" in the Philippine alphabet). Newspapers use "Filipino-American," and "Am-boy" or "American boy" is also used as a slang term. No one agrees on the proper term. Pinoy and Pinay are also widely used slang; some younger people think the terms derogatory, according to my classes.
OK, so he is an American, talking from an American context about Filipino Americans in a book specifically about Asian Pacific Americans and even then it is an extremely weak, and unsourced claim attributed only to "some younger people", "according to my classes".
The Melinda L. De Jesus book Pinay Power: Feminist Critical Theory : Theorizing the Filipina/American Experience by contrast gives a very positive view of the word and, quoting historian Dawn Mabalon of San Francisco State University (a Filipina American), explains it as having originated amongst Filipina/o Americans in the 1920s and used to describe those born in the United States and later travelled back to the Philippines. She concludes:
:: I LOVE the term "Pinay" because it's a term created by Filipina/o Americans early in the 20th century as a way to differentiate their identities and experiences from Filipina/os in the Philippines, and it's a very postiive and affirming term in my own experiences. (p14)
If you want to say this is an offensive term in the Philippines, please source that it is an offensive term in the Philippines, because it is quite extraordinary that the government of the Philippines would so widely use an offensive denonym in its official programmes. Sources: Pinoy Rice Knowledge Bank, 
Department of Agriculture & Philippine Rice Research Institute
Agri-Pinoy, Agricultural Training Institute, Department of Agriculture
Pinoy eMall, Philippine Postal Corporation
Pinggang Pinoy: Healthy good plate for Filipino adults, Food and Nutrition Research Institute (FNRI) of the Department of Science and Technology (DOST)
Sayaw Pinoy: 2015 National Dance Conference & Competition, National Commission for Culture and the Arts
Batang Pinoy: the Philippine Youth Games, Department of Education (DepEd), Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG), and the Leagues of Provinces, Cities,/Municipalities and Barangays, in conjunction with the Philippine Olympic Committee and National Sports Associations
PinoyME Foundation, a Microfinance organisation founded by former Pres. Cory Aquino]
Blorg (talk) 14:47, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word pinoy is not offensive in the Philippines; none of the cited sources support this 

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message: I looked at this article today for the first time in a long time and was surprised to find no information abo9ut the origin of the term Pinoy in the Origins section of the article named Pinoy. I have looked back in the article and have used content from this 2008 version as the basis for a WP:BOLD rearrangement of content related to this. I don't know that this is the best solution, but it seems clear to me that it is an improvement. Please improve further as needed. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 17:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins