Talk:Mac Pro

message: Could someone please add a speed comparison between the machines? Like SPECINT or something. 
Not sure if we should mention an expected update in June 2010...
THANKS -- Michael Janich (talk) 04:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Which machines? No, Wikipedia isn't a place for rumors. Airplaneman  ✈ 04:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All machines mentioned in the article: all mac pro generations. -- Michael Janich (talk) 02:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An interesting idea definitely worth considering. In what format should it be presented (prose, table, etc.)? Airplaneman  ✈ 05:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't table the most obvious? column 1: model name; column 2: specint (or whatever measure). -- THANKS -- Michael Janich (talk) 03:42, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed? 

message: Hi, I am new to this. There are a few pictures in this page with broken images. I do not feel comfortable enough with copyright to replace them but I am just alerting anyone who wishes to fix this. 
Yackilote (talk) 10:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Images 

message: Congrats! I'd just like to tell you that you have way more information in this article as does Apple Support by now. I've just called the official Apple Support line in my Western European country (where the person answering had trouble speaking my language) to ask them about what specific RAM type I need for my first-generation 2006 Mac Pro, and they insistently told me there was no Mac Pro in existence prior to the second-generation Mac Pro 2008 (they even called it "second-generation"), and first tried to tell me that what I have must be the MacBook Pro laptop, and when I told them this is really, really a desktop machine with a huge tower, they insisted that I must have a PowerMac!
Add to that the fact that they were incapable of finding my 2006 e-mail registration with this Mac Pro or any other account to my name. They then told me to remove my "laptop battery" to give them the machine's serial on it, and when I repeated that this is no laptop, they told me to check some "This Mac" window in MacOS, which I couldn't because I'm running Windows on this machine. And when I told them that I'm running Windows on it, they flat-out refused to continue that support call any longer because they said it would be "impossible". --93.232.164.99 (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats! 

message: Obviously, the unofficially highest MacOS that can run on the 2006 first-generation Mac Pro has now been determined to be Mavericks beta, on the very same forum that originally cooked up the hack for Mountain Lion: . --37.80.190.4 (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And a link from that thread also claims it's possible to run Win7 64-bit on the 2006 first-gen Mac Pro: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/126089-howto-boot-macs-with-intel-chipset-in-ahci-win7-vista-xp-linux/page-11 --37.80.190.4 Something like a workthrough given here: (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 first-gen Mavericks support 

message: The picture used to illustrate the Mac Pro is NOT the current Mac Pro. The picture is of a Mac Pro yet to be released. It should be changed back. 2601:D:480:109:2480:C8DD:E1E:5C9E (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the caption on the picture, is that sufficient? DavidAmis (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Mac Pro pic 

message: An unsourced document shows original design concept referring to SR-71 jet engine, extreme cost and "a challenge worth of Apple"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.254.6 (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design Inspiration Section added to GEN 2

message: The table says "Kernel Default Mode: 32-bit in Mac OS X (client), 64-bit in Mac OS X Server" for some models, but isn't this for a specific (and outdated) version of OS X?  It appears by all accounts that my old Mac Pro is running K64 here, even without OS X Server (which is now mostly just some management software, anyway).  Did they switch to K64 for all EFI64 models at some point?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.161.246 (talk) 00:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the model. My MP1,1 is 32-bit. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  64-bit kernel? 

message: Given that the two have very little in common, the article is presently humongous, and that a great deal of information on the older design's intricacies was accrued over the article's lifespan, I think it would be best if pretty much everything related to the pre-2013 systems was split into its own article. 66.133.250.190 (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split G5-styled minitower out 

message: So where is it being produced in the end? In the US? Nestea Zen (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Suzhou. That's right up the street from Shanghai, in a country called China. Nice patriotic comnpany, Apple is. Make the stuff elsewhere, skip out on the taxes, pretend you have no idea what Foxcon is doing until someone rubs their nose in it (plausible deniability) ... nice people. They make Billy over at Mickeysoft look like a responsible humanitarian. 116.231.75.122 (talk) 11:01, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

text: At least the new ones sold here in the US are produced by Flextronics in Austin, Texas, USA.  I added the name/link Saulinpa (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production/manufacturing 

message: Just wondered what type of PCIe this uses/is? It's not mentioned on the page at all, when I'd have thought it vital to understanding the throughput it can handle in comparison to the rest of the marketplace out there. Jimthing (talk) 23:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  PCIe SSD 

message: The dual picture in the infobox is misleading, and it is not to scale.  The new Mac Pro is a tiny fraction of what is shown, if it were shown to scale.  Today I unpacked my own unit, and I took snapshots (no pretense of great photography), but take a look...  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s2a37jnqt0l28og/AAB0YZ1CLGX6cRp7_PraHJcta?lst --Mareklug talk 05:34, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If people have objections to the carpet in the picture -- don't understand why, that is an irrational and prejudicial objection -- just ask the Graphic Lab on Commons to skillfully remove the background.  The infobox picture of the actual Mac Pro late 2013 edition on a Turkmen rug is the only one on Commons, and it is a high-quality, high-resolution image that shows the ports of the machine, and is generally ency, depicting it in daylight, in  an installed setting.  The old infobox picture was misleading, because it juxtaposes two machines not to scale, and is a hand-drawn cartoon, with no information whatsoever, unless you claim a cartoon silhouette without scale information or features drawn in to be a picture worthy of encyclopedia.  Please try to take a rational view, and do not edit-war on this for silly objection reasons that only expose your cultural prejudices (against Turkmen carpets, or whatever). --Mareklug talk 18:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I think it doesnt need an explanation. The pic. is not good enough to change--Ayrıntılı Bilgi (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean, not good enough?  Have you looked at it in full magnification?  It shows the ports very clearly and using the electric power plug, you get scale information. If you don't like the carpet, fix it. --Mareklug talk 19:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The pic. distorted--Ayrıntılı Bilgi (talk) 19:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What is distorted about it?  It is truthfully depicted from the angle of above and to the side.  That is not distortion, only perspective.  Even if you think that is a fault, it is still the most useful picture we have, as it shows what the machine looks like in real life, AND it gives good close up view of its ports, and using the standard power cable plug used, it gives useful scale information. When a better picture arrives, feel free to use it, but don't put back inferior information depictions like cartoons and not-to-scale comparison shots. --Mareklug talk 19:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

text: This is WP:BATTLEGROUND, not a discussion. We have a major and totally unnecessary edit to 29 international wikis in violation of consensus, after having negative reviews on IRC. We have a preemptive personal attack and declaration of war (in abuse of antiabuse policy itself) in response to a simple revert, followed by an actual WP:3RR global edit war. We have WP:OWNER, WP:ICANTHEARYOU and I'm pretty sure WP:TEND. We have an editor who considers any (even perfectly obvious, factually cogent and policy backed) dissent whatsoever about one of the most aesthetically violent and generally unnecessary images possible on a computer article, to be tantamount to a prank, vandalism, and a culturally bigoted insult -- with imaginary personal accusations. Not to mention the fact that he deleted imagery of half the product line. He asserts that it's the incumbent upon the rest of the world to fix his obvious damage and violently prevents them (including obviously ESL editors struggling to keep up in English) from doing so. He got his faux-solicited response, and has blasted a disingenuously faux discussion. And of course this isn't the first time for contentious and aggrandizing behavior. These are egregiously reportable offenses by someone who notoriously knows better, to a well versed community. Other editors are encouraged not to stoop to his level with a WP:3RR but instead to report the abuse.   — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Infobox picture? 

message: I am leaving this message on talk pages of the reverters.  Also, see Finnish revert by some Finnish editor who openly asks, why did you revert this?  My point exactly.
If you don't like the background, surely you can remove it yourself in a derived work, or ask the Graphic Lab on commons to do so. But why do you negate the obviously encyclopedic valors of my image? It is the only one we have a full year into the machine's existence, and one that is sharp, high-resolution, and shows what it looks like with ports in view, and which shows what the machine looks like in a home environment, how it is highly reflective. Clearly if a better backgrounded picture surfaces, let's use it. But in the interim, this is the best picture for the encyclopedic use. Sincerely,
--Mareklug talk 18:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it doesnt need an explanation. The pic. is not good enough to change--Ayrıntılı Bilgi (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean, not good enough?  Have you looked at it in full magnification?  It shows the ports very clearly and using the electric power plug, you get scale information. If you don't like the carpet, fix it. --Mareklug talk 19:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The pic. distorted--Ayrıntılı Bilgi (talk) 19:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What is distorted about it?  It is truthfully depicted from the angle of above and to the side.  That is not distortion, only perspective.  Even if you think that is a fault, it is still the most useful picture we have, as it shows what the machine looks like in real life, AND it gives good close up view of its ports, and using the standard power cable plug used, it gives useful scale information. When a better picture arrives, feel free to use it, but don't put back inferior information depictions like cartoons and not-to-scale comparison shots. --Mareklug talk 19:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

text: This is WP:BATTLEGROUND, not a discussion. We have a major and totally unnecessary edit to 29 international wikis in violation of consensus, after having negative reviews on IRC. We have a preemptive personal attack and declaration of war (in abuse of antiabuse policy itself) in response to a simple revert, followed by an actual WP:3RR global edit war. We have WP:OWNER, WP:ICANTHEARYOU and I'm pretty sure WP:TEND. We have an editor who considers any (even perfectly obvious, factually cogent and policy backed) dissent whatsoever about one of the most aesthetically violent and generally unnecessary images possible on a computer article, to be tantamount to a prank, vandalism, and a culturally bigoted insult -- with imaginary personal accusations. Not to mention the fact that he deleted imagery of half the product line. He asserts that it's the incumbent upon the rest of the world to fix his obvious damage and violently prevents them (including obviously ESL editors struggling to keep up in English) from doing so. He got his faux-solicited response, and has blasted a disingenuously faux discussion. And of course this isn't the first time for contentious and aggrandizing behavior. These are egregiously reportable offenses by someone who notoriously knows better, to a well versed community. Other editors are encouraged not to stoop to his level with a WP:3RR but instead to report the abuse.   — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A message for the reverters of the actual picture of the machine (on the carpet) 

message: Why does Apple use a comma in the model identifiers (e.g. Macmini1,1)?
74.96.73.25 (talk) 04:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  question? 

message: "Intel Kush"?
The link in the article seems to go to an unrelated page, and Intel Kush doesn't appear to match anything relevant on Google.
Did Intel really use a variety of pot as a brand name?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.121.162 (talk) 03:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intel Kush? 

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message: Because of the recent iMac Pro, isn't the Mac Pro no longer the "most powerful computer made by Apple"?
I thought there might be some reason this wasn't changed that I did not think of, I just wanted to confirm before changing it.
20pargyle (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most powerful? 

message: Sure, we know the new Mac Pro is coming. BUT as the moment it's still not available and no date has been given for when it will be. So at the moment the current Mac Pro is the old Trash Can from 2013. This should be reflected in the main picture.
Now it is out. PCelestia (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Mac Pro 2019" pic should be replaced by the "Trash Can" 

message: The article was using GB and TB in (at least) two different ways, with both binary and decimal interpretations used for both. The same is probably true for MB, but I haven't got there yet. Anyway, the first use of GB was binary so I edited the rest of the article to use 1 GB = 1024^3 B, while the first use of TB was decimal so I edited the article with 1 TB = 1000^4 B. The tables still need to be updated for consistency - that can come later. Before we get to the tables, any suggestions for better disambiguation between binary and decimal interpretations? Dondervogel 2 (talk) 08:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing mix of decimal and binary prefixes 

message: You guys should add Windows XP 64-bit versions to the compatibility list, of which there were three:
*Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for Itanium 1 systems (2002, based on Windows XP)
*Windows XP 64-Bit Edition (2003, for Itanium 2, based on Windows Server 2003)
*Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (2005, based on Windows Server 2003, but including client features not found in Windows Server 2003 or the 2003 Windows XP version)
I had a MacPro 1.0 Woodcrest and had bought it with a 2005 Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, as the marketing boasted about the Woodcrest finally being both compatible with Windows *AND* able to run 64-bit OSs. Alas, for as long as my Woodcrest remained operative, there was a *SOFTWARE* problem, which was that BootCamp that was required to install Windows couldn't recognize Windows XP Professional x64 as a genuine Windows version yet as it was simply too new for BootCamp at the time. Hence, I never got my awesome Windows XP 64-bit to work up until I got a new Intel PC with Windows 10 on it and ran the XP 64-bit in Oracle VirtualBox. --2003:EF:1704:7285:35AD:CD8:22AA:2C42 (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported Windows versions 

message: Of all the "generations" we made up across our Mac articles, the ones here made the most sense; but still, no one refers to them as "the 2nd-gen Mac Pro" and "3rd-gen Mac Pro", they just call them "trash can Mac Pro" or "2013 Mac Pro", and "2019 Mac Pro". We should align the headings with the common terms, if only to make sure readers aren't lost.
That's also the rationale behind including "Trash can" in the heading; that's the common, most recognizable name, and we want readers to be able to find it easily. DFlhb (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generations