Talk:John Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry

message: If it's mentioned that he's an atheist shouldn't also his deathbed conversion to Catholicism also be mentioned?  JorgeK  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.46.144 (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Any alleged conversion to Rome would be questionable - he was cremated and his ashes buried in the family burial ground at Kinmount, as stated in the Complete Peerage and Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which mention no conversion.  In his lifetime the Catholic Church was against cremation, enshrining rules against it in Canon Law in 1917. (I have added the details to this article, which initially stated though he wrote the poem beginning "When I am dead cremate me" he was buried in Scotland, as if he had not actually been cremated.)  No other biography I have seen mention a deathbed conversion, although his mother and a brother did convert to Catholicism in the 1860s.Cloptonson (talk) 13:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see today a reference to him converting to Catholicism on his deathbed, cited apparently to a work called "Literary Conversions".  Is this a publication accessible on the net? If so, it would be helpful if a link could be provided so that this could be scrutinised. The Catholic Church issued a ban on cremation in 1886, later formally incorporated into Canon Law in 1917. I am aware Oscar Wilde DID convert to Catholicism when dying but he had had some intellectual interest in that faith going back a few decades, as his ODNB article testifies.Cloptonson (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Having seen this remain on the page, I still believe this conversion allegation is questionable because of his being cremated when the RC Church was anti-cremation and other information should be sought apart from the Literary Conversions page.  The description could too easily have applied to Oscar Wilde's conversion, did the writer of the anecdote mention anything that distinguishes Queensberry from Wilde?Cloptonson (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion

message: Douglas' efforts to end their relationship
Is this accurate??? I think no but have no sufficient references to delete this sentence. 
Someone should try to ascertain it.
77.197.248.57 (talk) 01:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The malformation may not have been lifelong but result of later life injury or disease.Cloptonson (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remark about Lord Alfred Douglas 

message: The biography - and this article - is incomplete. There is nothing on his bizarre marriages, his life after the Wilde case and his eventual death. I am not qualified to complete it myself nor have the resources to do so but if any Wiki historian is interested, they should be encouraged to do so in order to complete the biography of this most bizarre man. Hubertgrove (talk) 04:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete

message: The introductory line gives him a post-nominal GCVO (Knight Grand Cross Royal Victorian Order). There is no evidence from his contemporary reference books (Burke's, etc) he received any decorations or orders of knighthood.  As the Royal Victorian Order, founded 1896, was in the personal gift of his lifelong sovereign, it is highly doubtful Queen Victoria would have found occasion to honour him. I am deleting these spurious initials.Cloptonson (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Never Honoured

message: I question the correctness in alleging Queensberry 'publicly called' Wilde a "posing somdomite"(sic), when the epiphet was communicated in the form of the calling card he left at Wilde's club with the writing on it. Were there witnesses to the act?  Had he deliberately staged it with viewers to back him up? The writing is disputed for its unclarity, others rendering it "posing as somdomite". I am correcting the month to February, that being when the card was actually delivered.Cloptonson (talk) 14:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Re Dispute With Oscar Wilde

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: See Wikipedia:Categorization#Subcategorization. "Apart from certain exceptions (i.e. non-diffusing subcategories, see below), an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible, without duplication in parent categories above it. In other words, a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category (supercategory) of that category (unless the child category is non-diffusing – see below – or eponymous). For example, the article "Paris" need only be placed in "Category:Cities in France", not in both "Category:Cities in France" and "Category:Populated places in France". Because the first category (cities) is in the second category (populated places), readers are already given the information that Paris is a populated place in France by it being a city in France." I therefore suggest that the article "John Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry" need only be placed in "Category:Marquesses of Queensberry", not in both "Category:Marquesses of Queensberry" and "Category:Marquesses in the peerage of Scotland". Because the first category (Marquesses of Queensberry) is in the second category (Category:Marquesses in the peerage of Scotland), readers are already given the information that John Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry was a marquess in the peerage of Scotland by him being a Marquess of Queensberry. Alekksandr (talk) 12:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done.Alekksandr (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Categorisation

message: The business card identifies John as the Marquis of Queensbury. How did he come to be known as a Marquess? - knoodelhed (talk) 18:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A heraldic guide I have read states that 'the spelling [of the peerage title] is optional'. Marquis is the French language rooted title, Marquess the anglicisation. For an English language wikipedia may I suggest how it is spelt in the letters patent conferring his peerage.Cloptonson (talk) 09:10, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style/Title