Talk:Trent Franks

message: I'm puzzling over Congressman Trent Franks saying that he is a "Graduate, National Center for Constitutional Studies".  What sort of programs does or did the NCCS offer, and what does it mean to be a "graduate"? (And yes, I've also posted this question at Talk:National Center for Constitutional Studies.)  -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 23:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduate of [[National Center for Constitutional Studies]]? 

message: Is he related to Barney Franks?Nitpyck (talk) 07:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Barney Frank, not Barney Franks. So the answer is no. Stonemason89 (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barney's Cousin? 

message: He said that blacks were better off under slavery. . 72.235.236.112 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:23, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist remarks 

message: Does this section represent recent undue weight? John Asfukzenski (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: One section among many which recounts provocative, controversial statements made by a public figure, as well as high-profile criticism of same, does not constitute undue weight.  Its omission, however, would cause the article to have a non-NPOV.  There are plenty of other WP articles on public figures which have criticism sections.  Some public figures even have entire articles devoted to criticism of her or him.  The section should remain, and it should be expanded to boot. Groupthink (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

text: In my view, the criticism section is not disproportionate and not recentism. The event for which he is criticised received coverage in reliable sources. I think the length of the section is about right for the nature of the event. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm strongly in favor of keeping this section in the article. It is highly relevant to recount his political views and public comments - especially any controversies surrounding him. Dogtownclown (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: criticism section 

message: We need to show what his ancestry is from. Of what country are his ancestors descended from? J390 (talk) 17:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  His ethnicity 

message: I don't like how the positions subsection is organized. We should separate his political positions from his controversial statements.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific? In GENERAL, it is a recommended practice, when a statement is connected to a larger issue, to put it within the context of that person's positions on that subject. WP:BLP requirements and the context requirements of WP:NPOV pretty much dictate in that case. If you are arguing that a statement is independent of the larger issues being discussed, or that it does not fit within the broader discussion of that issue, that IS a valid reason to spin it out into a separate section. I just don't see any such examples in this case. --Anonymous209.6 (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

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message: "In 1984, while working as an engineer for an oil and gas royalty-purchasing firm," and yet he didn't graduate from University of Ottawa. Is there a missing degree, or was it some overblown job title like "sanitation engineer"? AndroidCat (talk) 02:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: No where in the sources, does it mention him saying he wanted to personally "impregnate her sexually" which has a different connotation. The New York Times source referred to says that the women "worried that" he was "suggesting" that he wanted to impregnate them, which is a very different thing than him admitting it or it proven to be fact. Both the AP article and the Washington Post article _do not_ state this. As a matter of fact the Washington Post seems to go out of it's way to explain:
"The surrogacy process typically involves removing an egg from the mother, fertilizing it with sperm from the father, then placing the fertilized egg in the uterus of the surrogate, who carries it to term."
Allegations cannot be determined as factual unless there is an admission of guilt or a trier of fact's conclusion in a court of law is proven beyond a standard of determination. 
In addition, Franks himself made a very clear statement which is shown in this article that he has "absolutely never physically intimidated, coerced, or had, or attempted to have, any sexual contact with any member of my congressional staff,"
The article's original phrasing in its heading is displaying heresay as fact, is incorrect, and does not meet any standard of factual determination, much less being placed in the head of an article phrased that way.
67.84.157.23 (talk) 20:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Your criteria for inclusion are dramatically at odds with Wikipedia policy; please take a look at the policy on biographical material, in particular the section reading (in regard to public figures such as Franks): "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it." This allegation is noteworthy, relevant, and well-documented, and it therefore belongs in the article. At some point, we have to actually convey what reliable sources say, rather than making up things that we think they should have said. I've corrected your misunderstanding of surrogacy previously, on my usertalk page, so it now looks more like misrepresentation rather than ignorance on your part to repeat it. Franks' denial is appropriate for inclusion and is now part of the lead. MastCell Talk 18:43, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  The wording "reported that Franks implied .. (that he was asking to impregnate the women sexually)" found in the introduction, is both awkward and slightly misleading. The key sentence in the Politico article is this one: "It was not clear to the women whether he was asking about impregnating the women through sexual intercourse or in vitro fertilization."  I've changed the article's wording accordingly. 2401:A400:3202:4B00:8978:B1F6:376B:CD14 (talk) 00:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As the editor from Down Under noted above the "women reported that Franks implied that he intended to impregnate them sexually" is damned awkward without being particularly accurate. Additionally, we usually avoid saying that a complaining party "reports". 131.109.225.16 (talk) 20:10, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surrogacy requests and "impregnate her sexually"