Talk:Politics of Quebec

message: "The Greater Montreal Area is the most liberal area of Quebec (and all of Canada)" Unless that could be proven, it should be changed. Metropolitan areas usually tend to be further Left than rural areas, many people would say the same about the Greater Toronto Area or I am sure, Vancouver.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Most liberal area of Canada", C'Mon

message: The whole part about Quebec legally recognising same sex marriage before Ottawa is good evidence to support the argument that the province tends to be very left-leaning on certain social issues (so long as they do not relate to multiculturalism:) However it's mentioned that civil unions had already been legally recognized in Quebec before hand, weren't they originally recognized by the federal government in 2000 or 2001? I don't think Quebec led the way with civil unions, but I could be wrong.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil Unions and Same sex Marriage

message: I've restored my additions. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm perfectly willing to accept  additions and deletions, provided that they are justified. If you truly disagree with a fact in good faith, then please add a  link. Please do not put in 101 requests for documentation for things that you know are facts.  
In particular, I think it's important to mention that there are hard-line "indepentistes pur et dur" within the PQ and Bloc who do not believe in Levesques or Bouchards "Association" and "Partnership". We should not ignore them, especially since important figures like Jacques Parizeau and Bernard Landry were among them. Just because you believe in "Association" does not mean that all sovereignists do. 
Moreover, I think the Meech Lake accord merits special mention. It's failure precipitated the creation of the Bloc Quebecois, the ADQ, the collapse of the PC's,  and two constitutional referenda. It made Lucien Bouchard, Mrio Dumont, and Jean Charest household names in Quebec. --Soul scanner 04:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Malicious Reverts 

message: Scientific analysis vs the spontaneous theories turned in truths by journalists. At least one study made it abudantly clear that the Bouchard effect is a myth. I'll have to find it again. In the meantime, you can read this:
* The Evolution of Support for Sovereignty - Myths and Realities, by Claire Durand, Department of Sociology, Université de Montréal, 2001 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathieugp (talk • contribs).
:LOL. Scientific analysis by politicized sociologists from an old unpublished manuscript. The fact is, Lucien Bouchard started campaigning on his own before Parizeau stepped aside. Assuming that the Bouchard effect started when Parizeau stepped aside is intellectually dishonest. It is little more than conjecture at best, partisan spin at worst.--Soul scanner 08:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a common fallacy to discredit the source when we don't have arguments against the thesis. This is a 2001 Working Paper of the Institute of Intergovernmental Relations, School of Policy Studies, Queen's University. You are fabricating facts when you claim it is an old unpublished manuscript. It is not old as it dates 2001 and it is published material unlike what you claim. There is no logical reasoning behind your statements. What is your proof? Because you believe it at some point it became true? When I have more time to waste, I'll search for the study I was referring (I think it was Université de Montréal). Isn't it obvious that a study conducted years after the event, with all the relevant data properly collected, an a cold head by academics is likely to produce more accurate results than a bunch of paid journalists working with paid politicized just-in-time analysts and looking to make the news? -- Mathieugp 14:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bouchard effect 

message: It seems incredible to me that Jews and Muslims would have been barred fron Catholic schools until the late 90s, so I've placed a "dubious" tag next to that statement. Joeldl 06:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if it helps, my Socials 11 text book claims that Jews and Musmils were barred from Catholic schools... "Canadian Issues" A Contemporaru Perspective, Oxford, by Daniel Francis, Jennifer Hobson, Gordon Smith, Stan Garrod, Jeff Smith.Avalik (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There are really two separate statements there. 1) Non-Catholics were barred from Catholic schools. 2) The structure of the school system, which used to be based on religion, changed to language-based in the late 90's. Statement number 2 is plainly true. The first statement I would believe to be true back a long time ago but it must have been repealed long before the Bouchard government switch to secular, language-based public system, probably as soon as a "moral education" class was offered in all public schools as an alternative for the catechism (religious education) class that Catholic students would take. I'm guessing during the Quiet Revolution, with the advent of cégeps and polyvalentes replacing the old "cours classique". Back in the early 80's, I went to school in a Catholic schoolboard (and thus in Catholic schools) and there were muslims students attending these schools, they'd just go to moral ed with other children from other faiths or non-religious families.--Boffob (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed statement as unsourced.  – S. Rich (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: School board claim

message: "General political culture" 'Quebec is arguably the most left-wing region in Canada and all of North America.' This statement is ridiculously unfounded and offensive. This is based upon 'all french are left-wing' stereotypes. Quebec, being staunchly Roman Catholic, notably anti-immigrant, and especially the voting of a far-right conservative party (Action démocratique du Québec) seemingly out of nowhere, indicates that Quebec is 'arguably' 'the most' conservative and right-wing region in Canada, and yes, 'all of North America'. With no sources, and no more than 10 minutes of research indicating the exact opposite, I do not see why this hasn't been removed already. I have personally lived in both rural and urban Ontario and Quebec (St. Catharines, Toronto, Rimouski, Montreal and Quebec City), and Ontario, especially Toronto, is notably more left-wing and liberal than Quebec. Furthermore, recents events, such as in the 'Reasonable Accomodation' in Hérouxville is unparalleled, to my knowledge, in North America. 
Furthermore, the argument that "Support for military action is much lower in Quebec than any other province" is clearly taken out of context. Quebec lack of support for 'military action' has more to do with an English-French faultline than opposition to war. This statement is trying to over-generalize issues within Quebec for the sake of portraying Quebec as leftist. Isolationist and anti-war are two very different things. Quebecers 'anti-war' tendencies comes from general skepticism of what French Canadians see as being dragged into a war they feel Anglophone Canada in for a country they do not feel apart of. This is in no way similar to left-wing anti-war pro-peace politics.
Statesments like "Support for same-sex marriage, abortion and gun control is significantly higher in Quebec than other provinces." have no source, and in the case of 'support for same-sex marriage' and 'abortion' id argue is the exact opposite - there is little support for either other from the people itself, especially outside of Montreal.  I will personally remove these unfounded claims that Quebec is 'the most left-wing in Canada and North America' and hopefully we can compile a new, educated and well founded article on Quebec's General political culture." Jagdfurst (talk) 14:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt that the paragraphs were full of generalizations that didn't make much sense. However, many statements that you arbitrarily removed could have easily been neutralized by removing the weasel words and sourced in less than 10 minutes. Unfortunately, your anti-Quebec bias will prevent you for searching for the truth and someone else will have to do it. Your own statements, as unsourced and biased as those you removed, are even more prejudiced and offensive. Let's hope they remain confined to the talk page. -- Mathieugp (talk) 18:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  General political culture - "Quebec is arguably the most left-wing region in Canada and all of North America." 

message: Why does the Government of Quebec logo have an accent grave on the e? It should read Québec, not « Quèbec ». Is this some kind of weird, picky vandalism? I'm going to attempt to change it.
(Update) Ok, so I don't know how to change it... haha. Maybe someone else can help.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rycalder (talk • contribs) 13:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Québec logo: accent grave instead of accent aigu 

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