Talk:Biomedical Research & Longevity Society

message: This article should be categorized here  MaxPont 18:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this and a few other categories and removed the tag. Thanks for the alert.  --Ben Best 18:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: Does anyone know how many members LEF has? I recall seeing a figure over 100,000. MaxPont 12:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My name is George Helmuth I would like to join the life extension I read about you in Dr. Ross PELTON book 108.160.71.246 (talk) 13:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership numbers 

message: Hi, I just added a small bit of content.  Not a very confident editor, but hoping to help make this article more interesting - I hope I'm allowed to link to various spots within the LEF website, even though the main page was already referenced as an external link.  The LEF is one of my favorite sources for great vitamins and info, and also they watchdog the FDA and Big Pharma with vigor (the FDA returns the favor, of course) - thanks --mike bailey May 12 2007
: Hi Cometman. Good additions. We still need to have documentation for their notability from outside sources. Right now the article could be deleted as being self-promotional, but I know it's notable. We need proof that it's more than a cover for just selling supplements. Where is the proof it actually supports real research, etc.? Any legal conflicts with the FDA should also be documented. We simply need outside V & RS for their notability, otherwise this will get tagged for deletion as it serves as advertising to help them sell their products. It mustn't become an advertisement. -- Fyslee/talk 06:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More content 

message: * http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9401EEDD103AF932A1575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
* http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E1DC143EF936A25751C1A960958260&scp=14&sq=life+extension+foundation&st=nyt
* http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E5D7123BF93BA1575AC0A961958260&scp=31&sq=life+extension+foundation&st=nyt
* http://chetday.com/lifeextensioninterview.htm
** http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/april_june_04/faloon_interview.html
* www.naturalnews.com/z021791.html 
** http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/24251
* http://www.benbest.com/polecon/fdalef.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Transhumanist (talk • contribs) 11:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gathering sources... 

message: It is very ironic, that a journal, that is very strict on science, and only publishes well cited articles from peer reviewed journals, is labled both 'Rational Skepticism ' and 'Alternative Medicine.' Its nice to know that the work Linus Pauling did is still controversial. I guess that whole nobel prize thingy is just a popularity contest anyway...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.185.0.29 (talk) 18:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The RAW IRONY 

message: In Reference to Ronz's changes to exclude the external link to LEF.ORG due to External links: promotional
See WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOTLINK. It would probably best to continue any discussion on the article's talk page. --Ronz (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to LEF.ORG 

message: The rather POV self-promotional nature of the article is illustrated by the fact that it makes no mention of the rather significant fact that both its founders have been jailed after investigation by the FDA. So I have added this. Ben Finn (talk) 21:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed this since it was unsourced and thus a WP:BLP violation. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True and thanks for posting this. I heard the same story myself. It is my understanding that Kent has been the only person that has successfully prevailed in legal confrontations from the unrelenting forces of the FDA. Good for Kent for standing up for what he believes in.  Advocate4you (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: This article suffers from a rather severe POV problem. It reads as if written by an advocate rather than as an encyclopedic author. A great deal of the items stated as fact are really just opinions. Even the opening line characterizing it as "a research-based organization" is open to question. LEF derives major portions of its funding from products it sells that are intimately linked to its "research". Usually the term "research-based" would imply an independent research organization, not one whose research is so intimately linked with its retail products business. 
The sentence that reads, "Members are provided with the latest scientific breakthroughs, services and products to empower them to make better health choices and live healthier, longer lives." reads as an advertisement. Such hyperbolic terms as "scientific breakthroughs" do not belong in the intro paragraph of an encyclopedia article.  
The entire next paragraph suffers similarly; "...is responsible for a long and distinguished list of achievements in promoting optimal health...first to recommend the use of coenzyme Q10[5] ... lycopene as a cancer-preventative...introduce melatonin to support immune function" The "long and distinguished achievements" lack any documentation and are controversial and the various recommendations cited are not accepted by mainstream science as having clearly demonstrated the claimed effect when delivered as supplements.
Finally, it closes with, "Its involvement in political and bureaucratic developments helps facilitate public access to health products and information faster and less expensively." Is there solid evidence that their work has really facilitated public access and resulted in the public getting products cheaper? If so let's cite it.
I do not have any axe to grind with the organization; I came here to learn about it after being referred by a friend who thinks highly of them. I came away with no useful information on LEF; instead becoming skeptical due to the bias of the article.
Hopefully someone can entirely rewrite this one.  Thanks.  98.234.93.251 (talk) 05:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: If someone can find independent, reliable coverage about the raid then we can figure out what is due to present, if anything. --Ronz (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Raid

message: "The LEF.org url (as of October 2019) goes automatically to www.lifeextension.com. Although there is, under FAQs, the question "Why am I seeing LifeExtension.com as the URL now instead of Lef.org?", selecting this does not lead to any answer." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved to talk