Talk:Close front rounded vowel

message: Question: What about the fact that there is a very significant difference between the Scandinavian y-sound, and the german/french y-sound? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.241.73.108 (talk • contribs) 
:There is? SpectrumDT 20:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  At least the Norwegian and Swedish y is different, I don't know about the Danish one. The rounding of the lips is different, thus making a different sound. Jonashm 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scandinavian vs German French /y/

message: It seems a bit suspicious that hüüs is supposed to mean hoarse. A few google hits suggest that it's used in the sense of house in tourism, however I'm not sure if I found any specifically North Frisian addresses. --Zahnradzacken (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Frisian ''hüüs'' 

message: I think that the (Brazilian?) IP is confusing this sound with ⟨⟩ or ⟨⟩ (near-close near-back unrounded vowel), more commonly transcribed as  (as in Wikipedia:IPA for Portuguese and Galician), which is sometimes pronounced (ok, this is OR, but I heard both from Portuguese characters acted by real native speakers in telenovelas and from YouTube videos send by Portuguese people) in the place of an unstressed , not only schwi, unstressed  and  (taking the point of view of non-European Portuguese dialects), and which has a historic of making everyone confused. The ⟨⟩ (close front rounded vowel) would seem a weird feature in all other dialects of this language (it is hard for Brazilians to distinguish this sound from  when learning French/German). Lguipontes (talk) 08:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Supposing it's true, I think we need to consider what the point of these examples is. If we have major languages like French, German, and Mandarin to illustrate [y], why in the world would we want some obscure Azorian Portuguese dialect? Shouldn't we only have such things because we can't attest the sound in any language our readers are likely to have heard of? I can see an exception for obscure English dialects, since this is WP-en. — kwami (talk) 08:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I think it's all right to include sourced examples of dialects readers may be unfamiliar with.  I'm not sure there is shared agreement on what the point of these examples are.  Once we do come to that understanding, we can pare down the overabundance of them at close front unrounded vowel.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 22:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For common sounds, there are potentially thousands of possibilities. I would think the point would be to illustrate them, not to list every language which has them. — kwami (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fair point.  Though, at this point, the only discrimination we've made for examples has been whether the example is accurate, and whether it's a currently spoken, natural language.  I hesitate to apply other criteria in one place.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 00:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese? 

message: I translated the Dutch "fuut" to the English "grebe" -- had no idea what that is, some kind of bird apparently. Can't we please have a more common Dutch word here, e.g. "u" (you), "nu" (now), or "uur" (hour)? I will leave it up to a native Dutch speaker to think of an appropriate example and to make sure it is the correct sound (not sure if e.g. tenseness or length is relevant).
:In Dutch, "fuut" is quite a normal word. I'll also note that Dutch <uu> is most typically a near-close central rounded vowel, not a close front rounded vowel. --JorisvS (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a native I can confirm that "fuut" is indeed NOT a normal word, unless you're studying birds. u, nu, uur, vuur, duur, etc. would be better alternatives, as every Dutch person would immediately understand it. I too required a quick Google to understand what a "fuut" is.EratoNysiad (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Also as a native, "fuut" is the word for a very common bird, which I've understood since childhood. Words ending in -r are not very good examples, because that tends to affect pronunciation. "Nu" could be an better alternative, though. --JorisvS (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Also a native here - changing to "nu" is quite a good idea, as there may be more people not knowing exactly what "fuut" is. Martin sv 85 (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch fuut? 

message: On the page for Swedish phonology, they say that y: and ʉ: are different wovels in Swedish (ʉ: corresponding to the sound in du, and y: to the one in dy), but here and at the page for [ʉ] they treat them as the same? Why is this discrepancy?12stefje (talk) 07:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ʉ: vs y: in swedish