Talk:Winthrop, Massachusetts

message: Not sure where to put it, but according to Boston.com, Winthrop will be putting up nine surveillance cameras paid for by a grant from the Department of Homeland Security. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.255.229.66 (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surveillance cameras 

message: This article is assessed at the Start-class and Low-importance for WP:CITIES (note: class rating is synched to start-class for Project Massachusetts as well, but no importance for that project was assigned).
There is a lot of information appearing here, so it's definitely more than a stub. But it's still really an indiscriminate collection of information, and needs a lot of organizational work to develop into a good, coherent article. Specific suggestions:
* Review the US city article guidelines for tips on sections and content.
* The first four sections in the article should be history, geography, demographics, and economy. I usually recommend putting a culture section after that, followed by infrastructure-related things at the end (government, education, transportation).
* See WP:LEAD for tips on developing a good lead section. This should be a summary of the article.
* See WP:CITE for information on including inline citations.
* Trivia sections are discouraged from articles. They're acceptable and useful in the early stages of an article for quickly adding various contributions from lots of people. But they should largely be eliminated by the B-class stage, and definitely by WP:GA and WP:FA.
Hope this helps! Dr. Cash (talk) 16:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: assessment for [[WP:CITIES]]

message: *Winthrop's sports team is the Winthrop Vikings.
*Winthrop residents are collectively kown as Winthropites.    
*Winthrop, a song about the town, appears on the 2005 Indigo Girls album Rarities  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sewnmouthsecret (talk • contribs) 17:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia- for later use to incorporate into article 

message: 1. A hockey rink is not really a site of interest. For one thing, they are common to most towns, and second, what to put there next? A donut shop? A coffee house? 
(VinVin212 (talk) 07:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While it's all relative, in Winthrop, Larsen Rink I would say is a site of interest. In Winthrop, places are few and far between for people to enjoy activities, which is why I included it. Regarding the water tower reference, the PDF verifies the amount of gallons and who runs it. Hope this helps. Sewnmouthsecret (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Points of Interest 

message: While this article does need more work and more text, I don't think more citations are needed or more clean up. It would be great if more folks would contribute to this article on the Town of Winthrop, Massachusetts to fill it out. Jm3106jr (talk) 17:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Flags for Additional Citations Needed 

message: This article lists the date of settlement of the Town of Winthrop as 1630. The Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth lists the date of settlement as 1635. See http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cisctlist/ctlistalph.htm. The official webpage of the Town of Winthrop lists its settlement date as 1630 where this paragraph states: "Settled in 1630, Winthrop is one of the oldest communities in the country.  It was named for John Winthrop; a governor of Massachusetts and John’s son Deane Winthrop’s home, built in 1637 is now an historic site and museum." See http://www.town.winthrop.ma.us/Pages/WinthropMA_About/about. I addition a book published in 1902 states this: "Winthrop, first known as "Pullen Poynt" (Pulling Point) because the tide made hard pulling here for boatmen, was originally a part of Boston; it was part of Chelsea from 1739 until 1846, when with Rumney Marsh [now Revere] it was separately incorporated as North Chelsea, from which it was set off as a township in 1852 under its present name, in honour of Deane Winthrop (1623-1704), who was a son of Governor John Winthrop, the elder, and whose house is still standing. Point Shirley takes its name from Governor William Shirley who helped to establish a cod fishery there in 1753. Before and after the War of Independence Winthrop was a favourite seaside home for Bostonians, many prominent families, including the Gibbons, Hancocks, Bartletts, Emersons, Lorings and Lowells, having country-seats here. The community was a secluded rural retreat until the construction of the railway in 1876 converted it into a watering-place." - C. W. Hall, Historic Winthrop, 1630-1902 (Boston, 1902) cited in http://www.theodora.com/encyclopedia/w/winthrop.html. Can anyone verify which date is correct? 
Note also that this 1902 book affirms a longstanding myth that Winthrop was named after Deane Winthrop (1623-1704), son of John Winthrop (1587-1649) who was 2nd Governor of Massachusetts and founder of the City of Boston. However, Winthrop was named after John Winthrop (and the Town website affirms this) who was of course far more famous than his son, although the fact that his son lived in what is now Winthrop no doubt was a factor in its naming. Jm3106jr (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Settlement of the area now known as The Town of Winthrop, 1630 or 1635? 

message: Thanks to User:Rcsprinter123 for the new map showing Massachusetts, Suffolk County and Winthrop. Oddly, the new map seems to show part of East Boston as part of Winthrop. I think the part in red is meant to show portions of the runways of Logan Airport that are still legally part of the Town (Massport pays rent to Winthrop to this day), but it isn't obvious from the map. Jm3106jr (talk) 17:14, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I just take it out of the census data so don't know any details about airports and things. The map just follows official municipal boundaries. Rcsprinter123   (chinwag) @ 19:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Map 

message: I removed the following from the history section as no longer current:
On July 26, 2007, the Winthrop Sun Transcript reported that a movement was beginning to abolish the Town Council and return to a Representative Town Meeting - which would thus revert Winthrop from a city back into its original status as a town.  The multistage process to reverse the changes made by the 2006 charter is considered complex, so it remains to be seen what form of government Winthrop will adopt going forward.
Eight years has passed since this article and no movement to revert to the previous form of government has occurred to my knowledge. IACOBVS (talk) 23:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone reverted the above text. I deleted it again. If there has been any movement to restore the Town Meeting as of 2016, please indicate here and add to article. IACOBVS (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed sentences on reverting to a Representative Town Meeting government 

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message: source of information Date: Monday, November 24, 1902   Paper: Philadelphia Inquirer (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)   Volume: 147   Issue: 147   Page: 9  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diverdan363 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ocean Trip on Ferry Boat Fifteen Men Will Go from Boston to Jacksonville 

message: I deleted these sentences as they read like a casual business listing that has nothing to do with geography. 
In the center of town, there is the Center Business District,(or CBD as it is referred to by residents) with many businesses, including Letterie's, Black Strap Barbecue, The Winthrop Chamber of Commerce, Cervizzis Martial Arts Academy, The Winthrop Professional Building, La Siesta, Hong Kong dragon, Salon 7, Bank Of America, East Boston Savings Bank, Cafe Delite, The Winthrop Book Depot and Cafe, and many more popular spots. There is a small strip mall on the outskirts of the center called Michael´s Mall, containing Boston Tae Kwon Do, T&T, United States Postal Service and more. The Center is a popular spot for friends and residents to meet up and hang out. --IACOBVS (talk) 15:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  deleted from geography section 

message: The new description added to the infobox describing Winthrop as "City (de facto), Town (de jure)" is not accurate. The Town of Winthrop is de jure a city under Massachusetts law. This is because any town that abolishes a Town Meeting form of government and adopts a council-manager government as Winthrop did in 2006 is, under Massachusetts law, a city. However, Massachusetts law allows any city to call itself whatever it wishes. So several 'cities' in Massachusetts still refer to themselves as 'towns' including Winthrop. The Secretary of the Commonwealth provides this link: http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cisctlist/ctlistalph.htm. It lists Winthrop as a city ("Cities are listed in capital letters"; Winthrop is listed in capital letters), though it adds that Winthrop is one of the communities "that have applied for, and been granted, city forms of government, though they wish to be known as 'The Town of'". Thus, Winthrop is de facto and de jure a city, but calls itself a town. Winthrop is thus a nominal town. However, there is no need to have this information in the infobox. I have reverted.--IACOBVS (talk) 17:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winthrop is de jure and de facto a city