Talk:Given name

message: :As a result, while the vast majority of Japanese women born before 1980 have names ending in ko, it is relatively rare for the younger generation.
It says "before 1980," however if you go back far enough this no longer holds. Tokek 07:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vague fad period

message: In the section Related articles and lists, there are links to :de:Liste gebräuchlicher Vornamen/A ("List of common German first names") and :fr:Liste des prénoms ("List of French first names"). Is it a good idea to link to these lists in other languages? I think not. While it might be easier to maintain a single list of names, the lists in the other languages link to etimologies in that language. And besides, these are lists of names used in that country and not lists of names that originate from that country.
A better idea would be to have lists of names by origin (eg. Celtic names, Germanic names, Hebrew names, Latin names, etc.) This is already the case on the Polish and Catalan Wikipedias (see :pl:Imię (the box in the top-right) and :ca:Prenom (a list near the bottom of the article)). Ae-a 22:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to lists of names on other language wikipedias 

message: The practice of placing given name last in these Asian countries has been considered a manifestation of the importance of familial collective over individualism.
I think this is reading too much into it.  Those societies generally place larger categories before smaller categories in general.  Dates are year-month-day, places are nation-province/prefecture/whatever-city, etc.  So, it only makes sense that the pattern would continue in placing the large entity (family) before the individual -- Nik42 19:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asian order 

message: I noticed a few things when looking through this article, which seems fairly good for common names in the U.S., Australia, and the U.K., but probably not for elsewhere:
#There is essentially nothing on African names (Kofi Annan being an exception)
#The detailed descriptions of name origins (hebrew, german, latin, greek, etc.) are all for common American/British/Australian names, with no examples of, say, Hebrew names in French-speaking countries
#Though some languages like Chinese and Korean have some information (which I found really interesting), there is little on Japanese (aside from the bit about -ko) or Spanish.
I'm not sure if the best solution is to move some content to an "English given names" article and improve what's left over or to expand the article in its current version, but there's a lot of potential for expansion either way.
Dave (talk) July 8, 2005 03:15 (UTC)
: Additional info on Chinese/Japanese/Korean names can be found on Chinese name, Japanese name, Korean name. --Menchi 8 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)
:Maybe we should create articles on names by origin/etimology (eg. Celtic names, Germanic names, Hebrew names, etc.). See my earlier comment. Ae-a 21:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Limited Geographic Scope

message: I would like to see a list of equivalent given names to the English across languages. A bit like the Names of European cities in different languages. E.g:
*John (from Hebrew, "God is gracious")
= Giovani (Italian)
= Ian (Scotland)
= Jean (French)
= Johann (German)
= Sean (Irish) etc.
Is it worth me starting such an entry? Avalon 12:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Add translations to John (name) if you must, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary. —Tamfang (talk) 04:28, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Equivalent Given Names

message: "The given name may be single, or several names may be given (the latter are known as middle names). In the latter case, one of them, generally the first, is commonly used while the others are mostly used for official records (Order of names is no longer as important).", dude what does that say?
As above some are confused as to what this means (though I and others find it clear) perhaps  it could be repalced with:
"A given name may be single, in which case it is used in daily life. The alternative is that several names are given, in which case the first of these is used in every day life and others are mostly only seen on official documents and records. The order of names is however no longer as important as it used to be and 'middle names' may be used in every day life"
Both versions fall into the trap of conferring some sort of special status on the first forename. True, a majority of those with English-style names have their main forename placed first – but a very large minority do not.
I'll have a think about a less narrow-minded version. For instance, 'first' and 'middle' is biased one way – 'central' and 'precursory' the other. 'Main' and 'supplementary' is more balanced.
Grant 12:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some fool not making sense about relative significance of forenames 

message: I don't see a mention about Chinese given names, or Asian given names (such as Singapore, Malay tradition etc.). Like what is said above, it does not represent a worldwide view. A cleanup is necessary and this is very urgent. Maybe I will try adding something into it. --Terence Ong 10:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw what is wrote about Chinese given names, still very short though. --Terence Ong 10:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It's common in Britain but I've never encountered it in, say, French. —Tamfang (talk) 19:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very Westernised 

message: Balinese people, regardless of being male or female recieve one of four names based on birth order.
Though there are significant variations in the four names of Balinese people, mostly due to caste membership, there are precisely four names in Balinese culture that are repeated endlessly 10's of thousands of times. First born is "Wayan" (or Yan, for short), 2nd is "Made," 3rd is "Nyoman" (Man for short), and 4th is "Ketut" (often elided to Tut). Pronounce vowels pretty much as you would for Spanish/italian. Balinese names are rendered into Roman script by virtue of the Indonesian language being written so. The spelling to pronunciation relationship is said to be "perfect" because the spelling of words was revised significantly in the 70's and/or 80's (and even more recently).
The first born is Wayan, and if their is a fifth child, he/she is often called Wayan Balik (or Wayan "again"). Of course, Balinese children/people are given other names, including a new "name" after death. For example, a good friend of mine was named Nyoman Yanti. And, as a matter of fact, Yanti does indicate that she is female. However, it is important to realize that by and large, everyone does use these birth order names to refer to each, and  to call each other constantly throughout the day. "Given" names such as Yanti, may be chosen due to, for example, the influence of popular culture or politics. Balinese do not have "family/surnames."  I don't know well about customs in other parts of Indonesia, except to say that the Balinese system is unique to Bali (and the Balinese part of the neighboring island of Lombok). Other parts of Indonesia may also be unique. In West Sumatra, for example, among the Minangkebau people, inheritance and lineage is along matrilinear lines. Be that as it may be, it is common for these people to have only one name, a "given" name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.133.198.69 (talk • contribs) 
:This content has been moved to Balinese name. Rigadoun  (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balinese Names; Birth order of 4 and then back again to the top 

message: How is "William" a French form?  And what's the German name it's based on? john k 21:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See William (name). It became popular in English through William the Conqueror, who spoke French, but had, like most Norman nobles, a Germanic name. The modern French form is Guillaume; the modern German form is Wilhelm. One can tell that the French form is derived from Germanic because it starts in "gu"; this letter combination was used in French to imitate the Germanic "w"-sound that French doesn't have (other example: guerre from the same root as war). One can tell that the English form is derived from French because it doesn't have the l at the end that Wilhelm has. Chl 02:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  William 

message: The article does not make it very clear whether "first name" is defined to always be the same thing as "given name" or not. I recently saw an official U.S. form where one had to give both "first name" and "given name" separately. As I was under the impression that these are the same thing, naturally I was quite baffled at the redundancy. If it is correct, IMO the article should at the beginning state that the given name (known also as the first name) is the first forename of a person (Asian ordering doesn't matter here, as they don't call them by position, e.g. 苗字="family name" and 名前="given name" in Japanese, and calling family name the first name under any circumstances would be eccentric use of English to say the least, so there's no confusion unless you deliberately misunderstand). 82.103.206.128 11:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's equally confusing the other way around. The article gives the impression that "first name" and "given name" are the same, especially using the really bad side-box example of Johann Sebastian Bach. But take for example Johan August Strindberg. August is here the given name, but it would be misleading to call it the first name. It may be a first name, namely one of two first names. --81.216.218.158 (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem here, and with the example of Johann Sebastian Bach, is that naming conventions differ from culture to culture. For example, German persons do not have a "middle" name. They have one or more "forenames" (Vorname, given name), one of which will be the "call name" (Rufname) with which the person is usually addressed, and an "after name" (Nachname/Familienname, last name/family name). The "call name" can be any of the first names a person has, it need not be the first. Therefore using a German name to explain English and US naming terminology is confusing at best. Please find an English language name as example.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.251.1 (talk) 10:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  First name? 

message: There are too many examples in the etymology section. Personally, I think that the examples should be cut down to the most common boys' and girls' name in for each etymology for the UK and US. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm going to remove some of the more obscure "object names" and "nicknames" which outnumber the others despite not being particularly common. The examples of nicknames include initials.--Lo2u (T • C) 23:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some extremely infrequently used names removed ("Windy", "Timber" and "Rainy", for instance). Also nicknames that weren't clearly used as such. Some of those "feminised" names didn't have an obvious masc equivalent, in other cases a masculine name was never feminised (as in "Victoria" and probably "Noelle"). Some of those unisex names are only unisex because they're used so infrequently they haven't become established as the name for one sex. The reduced lists provide a few examples without trying to give a comprehensive list of all the first names in the world. --Lo2u (T • C) 23:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many examples 

message: I support the proposal. 
"First name" (singular) already redirects here, and "Given name" is better from the worldwide perspective". A redirect should, of course, be retained. --Boson 00:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge from "First names" 

message: Seems conspicuous by their absence.
Icelandic names all have a meaning, for example Elín means "The Bright One". They should get a mention somewhere at least! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.167.233.7 (talk) 17:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article mentions Germanic names, if you want to expand upon that then feel free to do so. BodvarBjarki (talk) 10:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandinavian Names 

message: I proposed a wikiproject for all name articles, check it out here  if you are interested. Remember 18:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject

message: Please bluelink it.68.148.164.166 (talk) 09:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "surname" 

message: I came here looking for a particular word, and thought I'd find it in Patronymic#See also, but had no luck.
It's a given name, in everyday language, that has some relation to the person.  Examples I can think of are Hawkeye and Dances With Wolves, as well as Curly and Whitey and Slim.  Examples of family names like this include Esposito, Shakespeare, Jette...and, of course, professions like Smith and Baker and Cooper and Forester.  The word I'm looking for only applies to the first use of that name, though; when it applies to the person it's given to before it's used as a name.
Can anyone help me out on this one?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.164.172.20 (talk) 04:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names based on events 

message: Was using this article for etymological research, and thought I'd try to improve it while I was here; it looked hopelessly neglected, and I didn't suspect there'd be an active discussion page for it... Feel free to revert or further modify, but I'd like the anecdotes to stay there -- they're very much in-style for etymology (cf. etymonline.org, or, heck, the works of Tolkien), and that is the section heading. :)
This page looks like a bit of an orphan in general; if I find the time and my contributions so far aren't savaged too badly, I might try to rewrite/expand the whole thing -- as far as the limits of my knowledge, I don't know very much about Greek or anything about Korean -- in the same style. ExOttoyuhr (talk) 03:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up a part of the article -- hope I didn't step on any toes... 

message: The subhead "Etymology" is an incorrect use of the word; the section is not about etymology, which pertains to individual words (hence the confused abundance of examples, as the hidden note points out). This section is properly on the "Origin of given names"; i.e., how various cultures create and give personal names within the conventional naming system of each. Individual etymologies can be used as clarifying examples, but sparingly, to avoid the meaningless accumulation of lists. I've changed the heading. Hope that's OK and doesn't step on any toes. The whole section should probably be reorganized with subsections by culture. Cynwolfe (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Etymology" incorrect 

message: In the UK, I almost never hear the term "given name". "First name" is used predominantly, with "Christian name" a close runner up. Is it worth indicating this in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.164.60 (talk) 13:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ameri-centric? 

message: There is a section of the article that talks about NICKNAMES and gives this particular example: "In German the names Johann and Margarete are shortened to Hänsel and Gretel in the famous fairy tale". There is no citation, and it is not the version I heard while learning the language. the -el suffix sort of means "little". Using the name Hansel instead of Johann is more like how an American boy might go by Danny or Billy instead of Daniel or William. It is not really 'shortened' as it says, but more an alternate name. Peabody80 (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I restructured the sentence to get rid of the word "shortened". Whenever talking about nicknames, this word should be avoided, because nicknames are not about shortening the name, only changing it. Peabody80 (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The word I was trying to think of was "Diminutive". Updated the section a little.Peabody80 (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hansel and Gretel

message: In Dutch, a person may have a roepnaam, which is the name with which is person is called by his family and friends.
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His name might for example be Jonathan James Johnson, with Jonathan James the given name, and Johnson the surname. The boy might however be called Jack, or William, or anything he likes, by his friends, fellow workers and family. This is not a nickname, which is often based on ridicule. It also seems different from the concept of a short name, as it may be unrelated to the persons first name. In fact, the persons calling name may be shortened to a short name. Now adays it is customary to abbreviate calling names to the first syllable.
I wonder if something similar is present in other countries?
TeunSpaans (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roepnaam - calling name. 

message: given name for monks on occasion of their ordination , http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/ordination1.htm, and similar events,
Those should be object of the article, too.
: -- 88.75.79.124 (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  for example 

message: The Lexicon of Greek Personal Names, a Major Research Project of the British Academy, member of the group of Oxford Classics Research Projects, contains over 35,000 published Greek names. Shouldn't it be in the External links section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.121.54 (talk) 20:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGPN 

message: Here is an article about laws regarding given names:
* Israel, David K. "Oh no, you can't name your baby THAT!" Mental Floss at CNN. July 3, 2010. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Laws regarding given names

message: I know that a couple of general examples are given for surnames used as forenames, but I think that it's notable the number of Scottish surnames that are used as boys' names, especially in Scotland. Examples: Allan, Blake, Bryce, Campbell, Dean, Duncan, Fergus, Findlay, Fraser, Forrester, Gordon, Greig, Lauchlan, Lawrence, Lindsay, Lucas, Malcolm, Neil, Ross, Russell, Scot, Stewart, Stuart, Todd, Wilson.--ML5 (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed that too. Although, I think some of the examples you gave aren't quite right. For example Duncan, Fergus, Findlay, Lauchlan, Lawrence, Lucas, Malcolm, and Neil were originally personal names that the surnames originated from.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish surnames as forenames 

message: : Given names most often derive from the following categories: Occupations, for example George means "farmer" [...] Objects, for example Peter means "rock" and Edgar means "rich spear"; Physical characteristics, for example Calvin means "bald". [...] Names of unknown or disputed etymology, for example Mary.
Almost nobody is named Peter or Calvin because of their literal meanings, let alone Mary or Antony because of their uncertain origins!  I'd have this section say something like: Given names commonly are taken from an ancestor, or from a religious leader or other public figure; and then go into the typical origins of names in their respective languages (because traditions differ).
It's a pity we don't have an article on dithematic name, a pattern common to nearly all branches of Indo-European in ancient times (Latin being the major exception, because Rome's ruling class was originally Etruscan).  Germanic name and Slavic name do give good lists of examples. —Tamfang (talk) 04:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  origins section 

message: I would like to see the word person in this article replaced with the word:
"man" 
The reason for this is to avoid confusion with the Law Society's definition of this word:
"The words person ... include(s) corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals."
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Person.aspx
"An entity (such as a corporation) that is recognized by law as having most of the rights and duties of a human being."
- Blacks Law Dictionary (8th Edition)
So to avoid confusion when referring to the species of  Homo Sapiens Sapiens  (us); the word man (which is an inclusive term for both females and males) should be used. 
MH1987 (talk) 14:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, person could be mass-replaced with natural person. —Tamfang (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of Person 

message: The possibility of moving this article to a different name is being discussed at WT:WikiProject Anthroponymy#"Personal name" versus "given name". Jc3s5h (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible move of this article being discussed

message: This was proposed to be merged in August, but no discussion was started. I will start the discussion, and
*Strong support-this needs to be here as common usage.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jc3s5h-You couldn't be more painfully wrong on the second part-the templates were already there-click the discuss button on either of them and it will direct you here. I did exactly what needed to be done and hadn't been. You must be unfamiliar with how these things are done.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:33, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't see the template on Given name, but it's there. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Okay.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:04, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In most European countries and countries influenced by Europe, the first name and the middle name(s) are given name(s); it's a different story in eastern Asia. But if a person changes any of their names (first, middle, or last) their name is different from their name at birth. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

text: A literal interpretation of "given name" would exclude name changes to a different first name (using the Europe-derived meaning of "first name"). But when the discussion includes East Asian names, we don't have a word for the name(s) that isn't (aren't) a family name, so "given name" has to be extended to include a changed given name. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How these overlapping scopes are arranged in future can be proposed, What's the proposal? The current scopes are also reflected in our nickname and given name list article categories, where (coincidentally) I've just been told nicknames aren't given names (although the category hierarchy says the opposite). Widefox; talk 08:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Name at birth]] 

message: I was reading it because of wanting to learn about how it was translated in other languages, and found one that didn't fit in with the others.
Under the list, I found this:
Жозефина, Zhozefina (Punjabi)
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to me to be more of a Cyrillic script than Punjabi. I would like to err on the side of caution and have one of you who knows their stuff to go there to fix it, because I don't know Punjabi, nor if it's Russian proper or another one of the Cyrillic-influenced languages.
I mean, I would have left a message on the talk page of that page, but it doesn't let me post anything in the "talk" section. That's all. Um. Sorry to have intruded. And if this wasn't worthy of a new section or something, pray do forgive, I just wanted to bring a little attention to this. Sorry.
Thank you for reading.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.188.210.6 (talk) 01:00, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Josephine (Given Name) 

message: I notice that the current version of the article has a mixture of British and American spelling. Since this early version of the article uses British spelling, I will adjust the spelling accordingly. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: British spelling

message: Are there any overall rules for translating given names through the different language wikis? I can't really decide, what was better because there are examples either way.
For instance John (given name) translates to John (Vorname) (with the remark, that it was the English form of Johannes, which term has it's own article in both English and German).
But Jennifer (given name) translates to Ginebra, and when you go to different languages from there - Jennifer in German for instance - there is a complete different set of languages available, some (Jennifer_(voornaam)) of which circle then back to the original article, while others don't (Dzsenifer). 
There's quite a bit of a mess here. Any suggestions, how to clean it up (if it's even possible)?
ZsoltSch (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name translations too messy

message: System: The baby has a given name and when becomes an adult (not as kit because we would have many Batmans) selects it's own. Many Democrats support it also, some though are aware that young adults might select names that might cause problems in the society (like Hitler, f@ggot, xm13#$ etc.) so a court has to accept the change. This may happen today but as an exception, it's not part of our mainstream culture. How can we people name stars while we don't name ourselves?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410F:3600:2176:5BCA:8849:4314 (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some societies apply self chosen names 

message: The example with Johannes Sebastian Bach is stupid. The notion of middle name does not exist in (at least continental) Europe. Johannes Sebastian are two first names or a first name composed of two elements, depending on how you put it, but most certainly no part of the name is a middle name. 
The example, it it must be kept, which I doubt, should be changed to a more relevant one (John Fitzgerald Kennedy or something like that).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.204.65.11 (talk) 11:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box example wrong 

message: This image & caption were removed with the comment "not really helpful" - which I find not really helpful. Seems to me it indeed would be helpful to illustrate the top of the article, about a subject which is not that well known and/or clearly defined to/by many, with a good example of a given name. I will reinstate the image if a more convincing argument is not presented here, to have the article so lacking in illustration. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Underillustrated article

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message: I' Just wanted to see how? & Deferent? kind of back grounds and the history of humanity as it has progressed since humans started to assign" from way back then the names that we have assigned  today !!!!!  F150bigbobT (talk) 06:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: I'm asking this cause I see some articles where née is being redirected to née ex. Angelina Jolie. -  SUBWAY 02:51, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't [[Birth name]] merged with this article? 

message: Here is another popular McCorkell online Dartplayer Tim (talk) 10:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teirnan McCorkell 

message: By this I mean the (I think exclusively US) practice whereby the combination of given and family names of Person A are a compound given name of Person B. For example, Edward Everett Horton (the actor) received the names of Massachusetts politician Edward Everett. Similarly: William Jennings Bryan Dorn (US Representative from SC). The practice is referenced in the song 'Franklin D Roosevelt Jones', sung by Judy Garland, amongst others. 
I haven't been able to find a term that exclusively refers to this practice. Skepticaltogether (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Given names and family name of A as compound given name of B 

message: Leila 97.115.146.159 (talk) 23:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leila 

message: : [in China] 
I guess this is about names that, though distinct when written in Chinese and when spoken with tones, are transliterated too similarly – not exactly that transliteration made a name famous.  How would you rephrase this sentence? —Tamfang (talk) 03:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps "it is considered disadvantageous for children to share the transliteration of their name with someone famous"? --Jotamar (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: hm, this wording suggests that each person decides how their name is to be transliterated!  —Tamfang (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  fame through transliteration 

message: Contrary to the lede paragraph, "CHRISTIAN NAME:" was on every government form in my lifetime, and the lifetime of my parents, and grandparents, etc. instead of "FIRST NAME:" so Christian name doesn't just apply to baptismal names, but your baptismal name IS your name, given to you at birth, by your parents. So first name and Christian name are synonyms. 2001:8003:2956:4300:619D:C08C:FDDB:68CB (talk) 04:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian name.