Talk:Amadeus (play)

message: Might we consider splitting this article into two, one about the play and one about the movie?   The two are rather different, and this article shouldn't serve as a mere comparison, it should be positively informative.
::Well, you raise a good point, but I think the article manages to be positively informative about both (there are separate, standalone sections for each), and there is very little, if any, direct comparison between the two.  Separating them would also lead to a disambiguation page for this topic which would be unnecessary and time-consuming for an information seeker.  That's my two cents anyway.RiseAbove 06:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Play vs Movie 

message: What the heck?  How is commissioning the Requiem Mass equivalent to eating fish? Dave Foster 03:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salieri eats fish? 

message: I think a section should be added documenting famous quotes from the movie/play.  In particular, I loved the "too many notes" line and would like to see a reference to it.  It would be fun to direct wiki editors, who think some entries are too verbose, to this article. 67.87.73.86 06:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what Wikiquote is for. Clarityfiend 15:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: ...which isn't a line in the current version of the play. Ceadge (talk) 22:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

text: What the Emperor said is probably historical; Mozart's reply by Schaffer.  See The Abduction from the Seraglio.  Opus33 (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorable quotes 

message: Shouldn't some mention be made of this:
I Haven't read it in years, but I seem to remember some similarities. I didn't read the above page too closely, just wanted a reference to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcsmith77 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pushkin's play 

message: The "References in Popular Culture" needs some tweaking: In Mr. Show, the rivalry is between John Baptiste Philouza (a play on John Philip Sousa) and Salini, not Falooza and Sadieri (Season 3, Episode #308 - "Bush is a Pussy" - 11/7/97 premier).  Please correct.  I am a HUGE fan of that show, and know every episode backwards, forwards, and sideways, so you can trust me! Eganio 02:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in Popular Culture 

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message: Is it just me or is the Mozart section a little POV? --kralahome 04:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mozart Section 

message: http://www.mozartproject.org/essays/brown.html
I read this, and while the author certainly understands the history, he seems to be a poor judge of fiction.  And while his personal take on it may not be basis enough for removal (though the reasoning behind including this in the article at all seems dubious from the start), the fact of the matter is he misrepresents several key plot points of the play and film and seems to employ a decidely selective memory of his account of the story.  The most glaring error (and I've seen it made elsewhere) is that both film and play try to persuade that Salieri poisoned Amadeus, but of course this is not present anywhere.  Certainly Salieri talks of violent thoughts, and his plan involving the requiem, but the film and play stop well short of suggesting further along these lines.
So, can we delete the link?  Artemisstrong 03:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Brown Essay citation? 

message: The article should also include some discussion of the several versions Shaffer has made over the years, moving the play much more strongly in the direction of tragedy. The latest version completely rewrites the ending scene, giving Salieri a recognition/reversal moment, exactly as Aristotle recommends for tragedy.
As well, the summary of the play is inaccurate (I made some minor corrections, but it needs a thorough rewrite), and appears to confuse the movie with the play.Theonemacduff 05:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions of play; summary 

message: This is a badly organized section, and needs major work, since it's in danger of becoming a dumping ground for any group that puts on a production. For example, who cares if the Mount Gretna players cut the text to ribbons and presented it as a "modified" version? If that version was created or authorized by Shaffer, it is of note; if not, not, and should be cut. As well, the Crucible theatre production's boasting of their use of a thrust stage is absurd. Shaffer's directions, from the very first version, have said that the play is to be presented on a modified proscenium stage, and it's clear from  his description that the effect of the modifications is to use a proscenium space (the majority of available playing spaces) in such a way as to make it more like a thrust or apron stage. He specifies a fake proscenium at the back of the stage (he calls this the "light box"), but he has never called for the use of an undifferentiated proscenium space. In the same paragraph, the distinction made between the original script, so-called, and the version the Crucible presented is in fact merely the difference between Shaffer's 1981 version and his 2003 version. It is the latter which is now the only authorized playing version. Note that the 2003 revision includes an introduction by Shaffer of some 30 pages, detailing the history of all the different versions (he includes the film as a "version"), and a set of Appendices detailing the lighting, properties and special effects cues. Currently, alas, the text of the 2003 version is unavailable, due to Penguin UK's mistakenly reprinting the 1981 text with the ISBN of the 2003 revision.Theonemacduff (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Productions 

message: Hello, I first tried putting a lot of "citation needed" tags on the following, then decided just to take it out and move it here.  Quite a bit of the material would be considered very controversial, at least from the viewpoint taken in the various Mozart biographies I've read (Sadie, Solomon, Halliwell, and Braunbehrens).
:Surviving letters by and about Mozart give examples of his boorish and often crude sense of humour, with a penchant for coprophilic jokes (shown in the film), which was shared by his mother, at least in their letters to one another. Mozart was extremely childlike, almost never able to sit still, even during others' performances. He was self-confident to the point of arrogance and his stubbornness and penchant for juvenile indulgences often annoyed his more staid peers. His sense of humour can be seen in some of his compositions, such as the canon Leck mich im Arsch (literally: "Lick me in the ass"; idiomatically: "Kiss my ass").
:Extant records show Mozart was not a good money manager and suffered from large debts (he loved clothing and spent huge sums on it) and also favoured partying, drinking, gambling and possibly drug use. As portrayed in Amadeus, Mozart actually comes off as fairly tame. However, he also had a huge income, particularly from his own performances as a conductor or musician. There is no evidence that he didn't pay back his loans even if many letters shows that he often was out of money. Mozart's relationship with his father as portrayed in the film seems to be accurate, judging from the subtext of their letters to each other.
Opus33 (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving section to talk page

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