Talk:News style

message: This article should define hed & dek. —Michael Z. 2006-11-03 02:15 Z
:Looks like two editors took your hint, in different sections. I have consolidated in my clean-up today. -- Bricaniwi (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hed & dek 

message: Instead / in addition to the large amount of text describing the pyramid, a picture describing the concept would be very useful. After all, the article is describing something which is a visual metaphor.
Here's an example: http://www.newspapersineducation.ca/eng/level_7to9/lesson5/lesson5_eng.html
Dhollm 17:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inverted pyramid 

message: Both examples of leads (hard and soft leads) are very bad leads (or ledes or whatever). I guess they are examples for what would be short very terse articles, but a better example would be something like "John Margelis awoke to find the cabin of his ship filling with icy water. The next 30 seconds would determine whether he would live or die." Maybe over-dramatic but a better example of a strong lead. Bonus Onus (talk) 21:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're getting at, but ideally we should be looking for typical (and ideally real) examples of both kinds of lead/lede rather than taking a view on what's good or bad. Off-hand I would guess that the straightforward factual lead - Two people were injured when a car went off the road at the corner of State and Main last night. - is numerically a lot more common than the more featureish or newsmagaziney example you give. I'm fairly sure I have read scholarship on this - I don't have it to hand but perhaps someone with access to a good J-school library could help? Barnabypage (talk) 21:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an area where headline style has evolved pretty strongly. It could likely use an update. ~E$ 15:24, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: The history of news reporting styles is fascinating. Try reading some newspapers from the early- to mid-1800's! -- Bricaniwi (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs history and development section 

message: Also this article may not represent a worldview. Some cultures or languages may not have these attitudes to news and/or style - see WP:NPOV  -- Bricaniwi (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs research for a worldview 

message: What tenses do News styles use?
Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense 

message: I happened to read something about article structure, so started that article, though I claim near total ignorance of the topic.  I think it is too much to merge here really, and didn't find intersections of some of the key terms there, but there are a lot of little articles chasing around on these topics I don't know about.  Anyway, I'm up for suggestions - right now I'm thinking I should just mention it in here somehow per WP:summary style. Wnt (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article structure 

message: I propose that Journalese and Headlinese, which are similar but different, be merged to this article as sections (separate ones; as someone observed at one of the other talk pages: "newspaper headlines are highly linguistically restricted and structured as compared to ordinary journalistic prose, so they're really not the same").  They don't work well as stand-alone articles, and have seen precious little improvement in years. News style is better-sourced and better-maintained, and the content will fit well here.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  08:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Headlinese is only related to news style in that articles written in news style are often given headlines; otherwise, the one really has nothing to do with the other. As a subject matter it would be more logical to merge it with other articles about telegraphic English. We don't have an article for diary English but we do have one for telegram style and another for SMS language. -- choster (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Except not.  The examples in Journalese are just cases of "headlinese" being used in running sentences instead of headlines. It's the same topic.  The  headlinese can be more narrowly defined (it has more to do with compression and attempts to be clever or bombastic than with using words in ways people don't normally use them). It can be a subsection here, but the material at our articles is largely redundant and a false dichotomy. Every time I need to refer to the general concept, I have to link both articles back-to-back, because we have a few long examples in the one page, and many more (informative) ones in short form at the other, but they're examples of the exact same writing habit.  Even if the two stubs are not merge into News style as a section and a subsection, they should at bare minimum merge to Journalese with a section redirect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:49, 29 June 2018Telegraphic writing is something else (though it is similar to the compression aspect of headlinese, and of course has mutated into text-messaging style).  "Out to lunch, back at 4." and "Click 'Download', click 'Yes' prompt, run installer" are telegraphic English. It has nothing to do with habitual use of wording in ways typical only of [low-end] journalism like a "bid" for re-election, a political "gambit" at city hall, an "eleventh-hour" decision, a "gala" party, a "zany" song, a "nabbed" criminal, a "marathon" trade-sanctions "parley", a Justice Department "probe", a new book "penned" by Stephen King, a decision "hammered out" at the peace talks, a witness "quizzed" by investigators, etc.  Without looking, can you even tell which of the stubs Journalese and Headlinese thta I pulled these examples from?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Oppose, on the grounds that it is better to keep the rather derogatory Journalese page distinct from News style, as it is an independently notable subset of the topic. Also, headlines have distinct features which differ from the rest of the text. My view is that Headlinese would be better merged to Headline as a distinct section, rather than to the broader News style page. Note that News style#Headline does have a 'main' template linking to Headline, that keeps the topics sufficiently linked. Klbrain (talk) 22:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your suggestion of merging Headlinese into Headline but not into News style. On the other hand, the tag on Headlinese says some sort of merger has been proposed since November 2017, which is way too long to leave it hanging. It doesn't seem that enough editors care about it to generate a consensus, so I'd say we should Be Bold and just make that change. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put a template up on Headline, as that page is quite active and editors there might wish to express an opinion too. Klbrain (talk) 09:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: { Four months later, it doesn't look like anybody else cares: I'd say go ahead and mere this article into Headline - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge two stubs? 

message: SvenAERTS SvenAERTS (talk) 18:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 22:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Seems to be more an article structure than a style: Article_structure#Hourglass 2A04:B2C2:405:EB00:E540:C38F:E37B:9D69 (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the “Hourglass” technique of writing?