Talk:Personal wiki

message: Does Evernote (http://www.evernote.com) qualify as a wiki? It's mainly a note taking application... (unsigned comment 03:08, 7 December 2006 Asharism) 
:EverNote has an article, which does not classify it as a wiki. The article description does not make it sound like a wiki. However, if someone feels motivated, they might write a section: #Comparison to note-taking software, and compare personal wikis to note-taking applications. PS, please sign your comments, and if you type full URLs, they turn into hyperlinks (see: Help:Link#External links). --Teratornis 18:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[EverNote]] 

message: So I propose a change to the VoodooPad information-
The company's name is "Flying Meat", not "flyingmeat", so it would be good to fix that.  And the line "flyingmeat also make a lightweight wiki server available for use with VoodooPad." is no longer true, so I think it should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.17.92.4 (talk) 20:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying Meat / VoodooPad corrections. 

message: Originally this article was focused on the additional features that personal wikis offered as sort of a roadmap for where server wikis might head in upcoming years.  The focus has shifted to an emphasis on an inventory of products.  While I don't mind mentioning wikipad it doesn't provide the same focus.  The core idea is drag and drop, support for multimedia directly, it has an intuitive interface however.  I wanted to give a little time to discuss but I'm rejecting the change in focus.  jbolden1517Talk 11:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not going to take sides, but will note that Wikidpad does in fact support drag and drop of files (and will display them if possible, e.g. images) Dnowacki 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  change in focus 

message: I used Wikidpad and ConnectedText both but currently using TotalText Container. Not truly a wiki as it is edited in a WYSIWYG mode for rich-text documents but can also contain archives (for files), calendar, spreadsheet, bookmarks, folders, ect. Can I just add it on the mainpage or what?  -- Jar 84.80.243.35 19:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You said yourself it isn't a wiki so I think it might be better off in Outliner or Personal_information_manager PurpleFlux 20:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding an entry 

message: As used by by Dnowacki -- what is "the wiki philosophy of organizing information"?
Paul G. Kostro 21:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to Personal wiki 

message: HelgeHan I see you removed the Notable Personal Wikis heading. That was discussed here before adding but you did not discuss it before removing it. Please discuss it first. I think the two personal wiki software entries need some sort of delineation from the text above them, if you don't like the heading Notable Personal Wikis then please let us discuss an alternate name rather than just remove the heading. One option would be to incorporate VoodooPad's notability into the article text and move it's list entry into the rest of the list. As for as ConnectedText I don't see a notable reason to keep it out of the normal list with the rest of them.  And yes I do think that being the first implementation of essentially a new software genre does in fact constitute having more notability than the rest. PurpleFlux 22:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I missed that. Well, the comparasion table is the solution I think. HelgeHan 10:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The notable designation is horribly arbitrary. Each wiki here is notable for some reason. And there's no good reason this list should be anything but alphabetical. --67.184.243.29 02:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Personal Wikis 

message: Are there any programs to convert databases between any of the formats, or are you pretty much stuck copying and pasting stuff by hand if you decide to switch? --68.44.13.236 16:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compatibility/interoperability 

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message: As the section above is unreadable, just to reiterate: Any entry on this page which cannot establish notability either through (a) its own article or (b) through appropriate secondary sources in reference tags is no better than a spam link, and should be removed. I'll continue to watch the page for improvements to that effect (as several for ZuluPad have been given above) for the time being, but still plan to jump back to the de-spammed version in the near future. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why in the world would you unilaterally jump back to the "de-spammed" version rather than relying on community consensus? It's already been demonstrated that there is not a consensus to just blowing away nearly all of the programs listed here, and some of the programs removed are more notable than the programs that were arbitrarily left here. If anything, there should be a discussion here about which programs should stay and which programs should be removed. I'm not saying this page should be a clearing house of anything that anybody posts, but whether or not an application has it's own page isn't a good barometer for notability. Maybe nobody's gotten around to making a page. Doesn't mean it isn't notable. And there are many non-notable applications that have pages that nobody's gotten around to deleting. Why did VoodooPad get removed? The note--with a source cited--claims that VoodooPad invented the personal wiki. If that's true, it seems to be an especially good reason to list it here. And why did DidiWiki stay? There's a note on the page saying that it isn't even available anymore, and the DidiWiki page has a note saying that the article is written as an advertisement. And you've said yourself that several sources for ZuluPad have been given above. I haven't seen that many sources given for any other application listed here, so why would any of them be considered more notable that ZuluPad?. Why not delete every application on here, and nuke their pages as well? You might be interested in viewing my draft ZuluPad page with sources cited: User:Omeomi/ZuluPad. It's possible that many of the applications listed here are non-notable, but having one person decide what is and what is not notable is not a good way to go about it. If you ask me, the most notable personal wikis here are TiddlyWiki, VoodooPad, WikidPad, and ZuluPad (in alphabetical order), but you don't see me just deleting the rest without consulting anybody else. --Omeomi (talk) 04:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia has a serious problem with software articles becoming repositories of external links to products. Policy and consensus are equally important. If the apps in question are notable, then they'll get articles, and those articles will have good secondary sources, and there's no problem. But if not, there's no reasonable way to tell the difference between one external link to a product and another. I'd rather have short, well-referenced articles than long lists of questionable resources which have the odd bit of worth. Thanks for your work on adding ZuluPad in any case. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

text: *Okay, then lets get a dialog going. Your note that "notable apps will get articles, and those articles will have good secondary sources" might generally be true, but in this case, most of these applications don't have good secondary sources listed on their own pages, so there's no reason to believe that their articles establish any notability whatsoever. I think, rather than deleting anything at this point, we should put some time into finding secondary sources for all of the applications listed here. At the end of this search process, we can trim the rest. That way, we can make sure that we actually are listing the most notable personal wikis. As I mentioned before, the personal wikis that I see mentioned most often online are TiddlyWiki, VoodooPad, WikidPad, and ZuluPad. I think i have seen the occasional mention of ConnectedText as well. I will see what sorts of sources I can find on these applications. Are there any popular personal wikis that I'm missing here? --Omeomi (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secondary sources 

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message: I think we should create a comparison table similar to comparison of wiki software for personal wiki software. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison table

message: I've re-added my entry (Gazette), I feel it very much qualifies as a personal wiki. Thanks for reading.Zenosys (talk) 07:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The entry doesn't link correctly inside Wikipedia, it links to Gazette (newspape). I would recommend replacing that link with a link to the home site of the Gazette (wiki). Since the list currently contains essentially dead personal wiki systems, I cannot see why your entry shouldn't be there too, but all those not-very-notable wikis might not survive an article rehaul, so hurry up — make them notable (!!), but be careful not to use Wikipedia as an advertizing board, since that might make some scrutinizing editor perform a deletion crusade. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 07:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1/14/2009 Entry re-added 

message: DidiWiki, the very nifty little C wiki based on files, not on any heavy SQL cannon, has lost its home page somehow. AFAIK the wiki uses some bad C code, relying on a nonportable stack allocation for certain purposes, making my tries to port it from ISO-8859-1 to Unicode hard. However: the code can be pealed so that the HTTP code skeleton can be used for another code base. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 07:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Found another site where the code can still be retrieved. (FYI: I erased my Unicode port for code stinkiness). ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 08:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DidiWiki link lost 

message: Rename your wiki software to something that don't make too many false hits on google. Names such as "Personal PPC Wiki", "Wiki in a jar", "Wiki on a Stick", "WikiNotes" aren't very good. Then I wish everybody happy hacking. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 10:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: General advice to all hackers full of expectations

message: I've added a linkfarm tag to the article, with the date that this problem was first identified .  Cleanup was done over two years later .  The only relevant discussions I can find is in Talk:Personal_wiki#ZuluPad and Talk:Personal_wiki#Secondary_sources, where the consensus appears to be to follow WP:EL and WP:NOTLINK.  The external links were restored a few months later, with claims of consensus to the opposite . --Ronz (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There wasn't a consensus in 2007.  Zulupad is a pretty good test case.  There hasn't been much content added to this article over the years though.  My opinion has been the article should have redlinks like we used to do around 2005-6 for this sort of article.  But redlinks are rarely used anymore.  Rather than delete what little useful information wikipedia has on this topic why not first expand the text? jbolden1517Talk 20:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm here to try to make some progress on a three-year-old dispute.  I hope you'll respect that.  Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have a problem with trying to make progress, we'll see what others have to say.  My objection to the tag is that it instructs people to take action, action that when last discussed was not supported.  We'll see what others have to say.  If it is just the two of us, then we need to discuss the issue here till you and I come to some agreement, before we instruct 3rd parties to take action.    In general I support expanding wikipedia not reducing it.  I'd love to replace those ELs with wikilinks and am all in favor of that.  jbolden1517Talk 11:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  My next step was to remove all external links but the specific ones you restored.  I'll wait, because I'm still looking for an explanation of why you restored any at all.  Simply because you didn't think there was consensus? --Ronz (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Linkfarm

message: The site luminotes.com says that the service is shut down. The Source Code is still availible. I don't know if the entry about it should be changed. I just wanted to drop a hint. --213.139.132.253 (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Luminotes

message: A more apropos title for the article is "Wiki Types"
Kernel.package (talk) 05:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Wiki 

message: Is there such a thing? --Ayacop (talk) 14:22, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semantic Personal Wiki? 

message: This article lacks any citations. It was replaced with a redirect to List of wiki software a few weeks ago, but as that doesn't address the problem, I have restored the article and added the Unreferenced template. I will also nominate it for deletion, which is the better course of action rather than spontaneously making it a redirect. (Personally, I don't think it should be deleted, but if it can't gather some citations, that's the policy.) -- Perey (talk) 06:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced content 

message: The Horde project, a php-based groupware suite, includes a Wiki.  http://www.horde.org/apps/wicked  You might consider including Wicked.Williamsonday (talk) 23:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wicked 

message: I don't see any fine line which distinguishes personal wikis from private/organization wikis from public/must-register wikis from public/no-registration-required wikis.  It's just a difference of how people use them.  The wiki is not changed, only the way that people use it.  
Indeed, this page tries to list 'personal wiki' software.  I use MediaWiki for my 'personal wiki', though it is not in the list...  Who is wrong: me or the article?
Having separate articles for Wiki and Personal Wiki is like having two separate articles for Car, depending on where you drive it.  I propose merging this article into Wiki. 140.180.189.27 (talk) 05:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose merge with [[Wiki]]