Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Torrent Project

message: I can seed the torrents from several dedicated servers 24/7 with a 100mbit connection... If anybody would be so kind to tell me where I can get all the Wikipedia torrents? Sorry for posting anonoymous, but I cannot login here at the moment. I will sign with my own username here later. (I'm on a school computer at the moment) 
EDIT: I know there's a download link on this discussion page, but I'm not sure whether there are any more Wikipedia torrents circulating, besides this one.
213.126.131.130 (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeding 

message: Does anyone feel the need to have a meeting about this project through irc. I wouldn't mind talking for a meeting, err typing. I thought we could use the wikipedia 1.0 channel. Its on the Version 1.0 editorial team. I'm there right now, until they kick me off. I am 'nominaladversary' Nominaladversary 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's at Channel: #wikipedia-1.0. Walkerma 06:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting 

message: Will the members of this project get notified before the torrent is made public so we have time to download the CD before everyone else, or will we just join the swarm and hope for the best? I think we should get notified, because that should increase the download speed for everyone. 
A possible way to do this would be to create a torrent which is made available to us, but not any major torrent indexes. After we've all downloaded the files, we can  submit the torrent to the index sites. Ultra-Loser [  T  ] [  C  ]   04:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When 0.5 gets released 

message: It just occurred to me that eMule distribution could actually come to a standstill even if 20 people were uploading a wikipedia file. I don't know where this would go, and I'm positive distribution over the ED2K network will never stop for us, but there is a situation. In eMule, you can be firewalled, or some random NAT problem--which usually stems from having a router. IF every person were to have this problem, who wanted a wikipedia file, no one would ever connect to anyone for the file. Note: This is just for eMule.
Let me explain, when you're firewalled in a Bit torrent client, your downloads will be slower than someone's who isn't firewalled, but you will still receive files. On the ED2K network, if you're firewalled, you are given a "Low ID" status, and if you're not, you're given a "High ID". Now here is the problem: Low ID's can not connect to other Low ID's, only to High ID's. High ID's can connect to whomever they want to. Now with eMule, there are two networks you are connected to, the KAD network and the ED2K. Here is when you are Firewalled for the KAD network, when this happens, the globe at the bottom right will have a yellow arrow corresponding to the KAD network and the connection info will tell you that you are firewalled. Now, with the ED2K network, when you are firewalled, you will be labeled "Low ID" and firewalled, and the globe arrow which corresponds to the ED2K network will be yellow. When you are downloading, the uploader you are downloading from will see a (Low ID) status next to your wait time. IF you are a High ID person, then there will be no status. Finally, when you are High ID and not firewalled/have a NAT problem, then the yellow arrows will become Blu-ish/Green-ish. Even if you're firewalled, it will still say you're connected next to the globe--because you are. Here is a perfect situation.
Sorry for the image quality, google doesn't like png so it converts them to a terrible jpg compressed picture. Nominaladversary 22:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  eMule Notes 

message: I'm guessing this is how the torrent project will be. We have seeders for the files on the BitTorrent side and Uploaders on the ED2K side. We're dormant and running...until a situation arises, which hopefully won't happen until the next release. Everyone who uploads/seeds uses plenty of bandwith up, so thanks for that. Nominaladversary 02:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update - the BitTorrent Inc. site doesn't seem to have our torrent any more, all off Trapper's stuff isn't there...which site should we make the main torrent download? Nominaladversary 03:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status 

message: Does anyone even download the CD using a torrent? I don't even think the tracker for the torrent works. Nominaladversary 19:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say there is about 20 sources on emule, but no idea how much each of those sources have. Nominaladversary 21:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wpcd 1.0 

message: Two versions available: 4G with full size images, 1G with only the thumbnails. Browsable at http://schools-wikipedia.org Generally it is tons better than the last one. Please could someone tell me where to upload the files so you can torrent them? We've only got 500G bandwidth on our website so probably will only offer the 1G one. --BozMo talk 10:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dropped a note on your talk page. Nominaladversary 20:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick request - please make sure that when naming and documenting this, you make it clear that this is a different release from Version 0.5.  I can see people getting them mixed up, especially since they came out only about six weeks apart.  This looks like a nice release! Walkerma 02:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and there are a number of things we can do help clarify the release. On each torrent dumpsite, where one would get the torrent, we can include the description of the 2007 Wikipedia Selection, and show the difference between the 0.5 version; put a comment on the torrent file itself; and perhaps the most useful, include a short .txt file along with the release file. Also on any news site, digg, slashdot, etc. there should be an appropriate description as well. Nominaladversary 17:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, the key differences are (a) 2007 Selection contains virtually all of V0.5, plus many more (~2500?) articles not in V0.5, (b) it has been screened to be kid-friendly and (c) it does not include the Kiwix search engine. Walkerma 17:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, we'll be sure to include those in our description. Nominaladversary 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: For the 2007 Wikipedia Selection torrent page, this is what we're  looking at. Please make changes as necessary. Also we need to provide the right info at each torrent dump site that the torrent is uploaded to.
*2007 Wikipedia Selection
*Everything you need to know about the 2007 Wikipedia Selection. Unpacked Size: N/A
*schools-wikipedia-full.zip
*The 2007 Wikipedia Selection is an update to the previous 2006 Release.
*File Size:2.47 GB
*Format: .Zip -- Needs to be decompressed with Winzip or other file decompression utilities.
*Other Names: 
**2007 Wikipedia Selection
**schools-wikipedia-full
*Torrent Download Locations:
**Main Download Link - Direct Link
**Nominaladversary - Direct Link
**The Pirate Bay - Info Page
**Mininova - Info Page
**Torrentspy - Info Page
**Others?
*Trackers
**http://wp.cyllene.org:7397/announce
*Azureus Magnet Link: 
 magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RM3P7JSGXQCJ4ZLYMW6UXQW5TEGBTNIM
*eMule Link
Nominaladversary 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: We need people to seed this! I don't how we're gonna go about the file. In my opinion the best way to get seeders, is for everyone to download the file separately from the main server, rather then using the torrent that is up. Then after the file has been downloaded, download the torrent to help seed. Nominaladversary 20:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Wikipedia selection 

message: This lazy wikipedean volunteers his efforts.  If there is a better page to list your interest, let me know.  Mathiastck 06:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no one else responded to this so I'm going to say, What? Nominaladversary 21:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volunteer 

message: I have acquired a tracker for all of our projects using torrents. The tracker, has 99& guarantee uptime and we will use it for all future torrents, including the torrent release of the 2007 Wikipedia CD Release. Of course, every torrent has to be registered so we don't have random people abusing the tracker--which is the reason why I am not posting the announce URL here. Many thanks to my friend who set it up for me. Nominaladversary 17:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kick ass! Is it reliable/stable/etc for our purposes - can it handle a slashdotting? JoeSmack Talk 17:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, we will be good even if there are over 10000 seeders and leechers. We tested the wpcd 0.5.bz2 and that worked great. It'll handle pretty much anything. Nominaladversary 17:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm still uploading...try updating the tracker manually or restarting your client. JoeSmack Talk 17:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 99.9% up time...just unlucky I guess. It's a tracker nothing we can do if it decides to fall asleep once in a while. It's never gone out for me though. Nominaladversary 03:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx, it seems to work fine now. I was simply downloading the 2006 zip :(... sorry. Kelson 10:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah there are some problems with it right now. It is an odd situation, we might switch back to TPB's tracker. Nominaladversary 00:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still dead, any updates on this or shall we switch back to TPB?  robertvan1  talk  14:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't someone hook up with the Project Gutenberg group, since they support TORRENT to download their CD/DVD's. • Sbmeirow • Talk •  02:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm not entirely sure if anyone's aware of this, but the toolserver has a bittorrent tracker for Wikimedia-related content. Shadow1 (talk) 00:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. I'll look into that, it'll be easier using the toolserver's bittorrent tracker than the one we use. Thanks! Nominaladversary 19:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our Very Own Tracker 

message: For me, the BT tracker for "2007 Wikipedia CD Selection" is dead... my mirroring stopped in the middle of the file. :( Kelson 17:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still uploading...try updating the tracker manually or restarting your client. JoeSmack Talk 17:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 99.9% up time...just unlucky I guess. It's a tracker nothing we can do if it decides to fall asleep once in a while. It's never gone out for me though. Nominaladversary 03:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx, it seems to work fine now. I was simply downloading the 2006 zip :(... sorry. Kelson 10:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah there are some problems with it right now. It is an odd situation, we might switch back to TPB's tracker. Nominaladversary 00:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still dead, any updates on this or shall we switch back to TPB?  robertvan1  talk  14:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't someone hook up with the Project Gutenberg group, since they support TORRENT to download their CD/DVD's. • Sbmeirow • Talk •  02:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tracker dead

message: Well, not really, but there isn't any word to say what it exactly is. This page tells you how many seeders/leechers we have as well as how many completely downloads of the file have been achieved. If we had two torrents, I think it will show individual torrent statistics. Nominaladversary 23:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure if anyone's aware of this, but the toolserver has a bittorrent tracker for Wikimedia-related content. Shadow1 (talk) 00:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. I'll look into that, it'll be easier using the toolserver's bittorrent tracker than the one we use. Thanks! Nominaladversary 19:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: On Piratebay : http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3658466/Wikipedia_Release_Version_0.5 ... is that normal ? Kelson 10:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an older torrent, we use TPB's tracker for it. We might go back to that tracker for future use. Nominaladversary 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tracker dead 

message: Probably a silly question (I apologize) but does the distribution through other file-sharing protocols and networks such as Gnutella fall within the scope of this project, and is it acceptable to do so? (Just wanted to verify.) --Shruti14 t c s 01:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeeze, it's been a while. MANY many months. a year? i have no idea. Gnutella works, however it won't be a focus, for now. However--Gnutella is also generally synonymous with Limewire, which i believe supports torrent files. I assume it is able to serve both torrent and Gnutella needs at the same time. Sorry for the super late response. More discussion as time goes on. Nominaladversary (talk) 00:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gnutella 

message: We hope to be able to have Version 0.7 published by the autumn.  It should be a release of around 20,000-30,000 articles.  Will this work OK with a Torrent format?  Can you be ready for October/November time? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 07:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Autumn. lovely. the Torrent Project hasn't had much activity, I'm not too sure where everyone is right now. I think a torrent release should at least be attempted, however. I also think we should focus on one torrent file with one file type. If it's in CD (.iso) format, then we can just zip it (.zip is more widely used than .rar or .7zip) and use that in the torrent. If it's a collection of files, then a zipped file--again--should be used. I doubt we're healthy enough for a multi-format torrent release right now. Also ED2K link release should be ignored for now and be approached if the torrent version is healthy enough. Sorry Walkerma for the delayed response--much much too much has been going on. But I'll try to respond as fast as I can. Unfortunately things are still running my life into too many directions, but i will try to make a torrent release work. I believe a simple message to the village pump and what not can help us out for seeders. As for the tracker...we'll use one of the major public ones (TPB, demonoid, etc.).
For anyone else looking for a quick response: Yes, but 1 file only. Help (perhaps) needed.
Sorry for the delay again. Thanks for getting around to the torrent project though! Nominaladversary (talk) 01:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it looks like we'll have the basic selection of 30,000 done by the end of August.  From that point, the clock starts ticking, and so publication/release in October/November looks likely (barring any major delays).  We are again working with Linterweb and User:Kelson, so we can expect to use the kiwix server as we did with Version 0.5.  I believe that BozMo will have a 2008 Children's Selection (around 6000 articles) ready around the same time, so it would be great if you can help to distribute both of these.  Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version 0.7 release in the autumn? 

message: Things aren't really settled down yet, however, I'm going to try to get into touch with someone at BitTorrent, inc. so that a torrent release with substantial support can be legitimately available for the public, etc. Nominaladversary (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, we did have a couple of delays, but Version 0.7 should be ready for release pretty soon.  I'm hoping to have an IRC discussion next week to discuss the final stages (I'll post info on the main 1.0 talk page soon).  Would the Torrent project be ready to make this release available via BitTorrent by March?  It will be available from the kiwix server, as with Version 0.5; the physical server is different, but User:Kelson will be coordinating it as we did with 0.5.  After 0.7, I think we will be ready to start doing fairly regular releases - perhaps 0.8 by the fall.  Please let us know what your plans are.  Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: March, March...yeah we can try something. Once again, we'll try generating some support, shout some words here and there. What works, works. Sorry for the late response, I'm below a couple of feet of work. Thanks for the update! Nominaladversary (talk) 07:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forward 

message: Ok. We've been silent long enough. I'm taking actions to get us our own tracker back, some decent hosting if necessary, and possibly an external site (for reference, and exploration --take that anyway you want--). First of all, we need to address some things:
# Focus/Goals
# Seed/Upload base
# Technical stuff
=== Focus/Goals ===
First, we need to change the main/must achieve/last hurrah goal of this project, or rather, make it the absolute focus...and that is, making a .torrent file of the current WP selection dvd, and providing an adequate download service. We should not move on to a ED2K focus until this goal is completed.
=== Seed/Upload base ===
This is possibly the biggest obstacle. We won't be able to have a decent alternative download source unless we have a large amount of people seeding the file, it is after all 3.5gb. Though the file size makes it ideal for a torrent release, we still need to make a base. Spreading the word is the first step, but we need to figure out how to maintain the base and offer reasons for further outreach. Let's contact bittorrent, inc, and all the big name torrent directories.
: Idea, we're gonna use the direct source (Wherever its posted, kiwix, soschildrens.org) as a webseed, that'll help us out big time. It could simplify a lot too, maybe. Nominaladversary (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's that. We'll be slow to move at first, but we need to start somewhere. Yes, another school calender year has started, but we'll work around everything. Or something. Nominaladversary (talk) 00:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great!  User:JoeSmack offered to help with this, see here.  The Version 0.7 release will be available in the next couple of days; we already have the ZIM file at http://tmp.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia_en_wp1_0.7_30000+_05_2009_beta1.zim , but that doesn't have an offline reader or a working topical index.  You can expect some new developments at Wikimania next week - many of the interested parties are going to be there, so we should be able to move things forward a lot.  I'll update people here and at WT:1.0. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: UPDATE: I heard back from Kelson, who says (regarding Version 0.7), "the ZIM file is natively readable/searchable with Kiwix. So as soon as you decided to make the release I will make the ZIM file available with FTP/HTTP/Bittorrent."  He also has a version of the 2008 Schools release, if you want to put that out at the same time.  FYI: Kelson provided the server to start things off for the Version 0.5 Bittorrent release, so maybe this could be the base/starting seed? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Kiwix has a description in French here (use Google Translate if you don't speak French), and there is an English FAQ. Walkerma (talk) 19:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for the update! If you could link the final file, for the most important release, we can take action. i think we should only focus on one torrent release for now, only to judge how big of a seeder base we can amass. thanks again. Nominaladversary (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, if someone puts a word into the signpost when it's up I bet we can get seeds up to something decent in fair order... JoeSmack Talk 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. School is taking up a lot of my time, I apologize for the lack of attentiveness. I'm almost positive I'll be able to seed 24/7, the web seed (once i figure out who I talk to for that) will help, and I'll be trying to contact Bittorrent, inc. Tracker possibility in about 2 weeks. Nominaladversary (talk) 04:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp, Refocus, Renew, and Rebirth 

message: This is possibly the biggest obstacle. We won't be able to have a decent alternative download source unless we have a large amount of people seeding the file, it is after all 3.5gb. Though the file size makes it ideal for a torrent release, we still need to make a base. Spreading the word is the first step, but we need to figure out how to maintain the base and offer reasons for further outreach. Let's contact bittorrent, inc, and all the big name torrent directories.
: Idea, we're gonna use the direct source (Wherever its posted, kiwix, soschildrens.org) as a webseed, that'll help us out big time. It could simplify a lot too, maybe. Nominaladversary (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seed/Upload base 

message: Trackers.Peers.Seeders.Magnet Links.Ratios.blah blah blah. The point is, what are the rules? What are the goals here? What formats? Why? Do we need to compress the image?
: And that's that. We'll be slow to move at first, but we need to start somewhere. Yes, another school calender year has started, but we'll work around everything. Or something. Nominaladversary (talk) 00:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great!  User:JoeSmack offered to help with this, see here.  The Version 0.7 release will be available in the next couple of days; we already have the ZIM file at http://tmp.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia_en_wp1_0.7_30000+_05_2009_beta1.zim , but that doesn't have an offline reader or a working topical index.  You can expect some new developments at Wikimania next week - many of the interested parties are going to be there, so we should be able to move things forward a lot.  I'll update people here and at WT:1.0. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: I heard back from Kelson, who says (regarding Version 0.7), "the ZIM file is natively readable/searchable with Kiwix. So as soon as you decided to make the release I will make the ZIM file available with FTP/HTTP/Bittorrent."  He also has a version of the 2008 Schools release, if you want to put that out at the same time.  FYI: Kelson provided the server to start things off for the Version 0.5 Bittorrent release, so maybe this could be the base/starting seed? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Kiwix has a description in French here (use Google Translate if you don't speak French), and there is an English FAQ. Walkerma (talk) 19:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for the update! If you could link the final file, for the most important release, we can take action. i think we should only focus on one torrent release for now, only to judge how big of a seeder base we can amass. thanks again. Nominaladversary (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, if someone puts a word into the signpost when it's up I bet we can get seeds up to something decent in fair order... JoeSmack Talk 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. School is taking up a lot of my time, I apologize for the lack of attentiveness. I'm almost positive I'll be able to seed 24/7, the web seed (once i figure out who I talk to for that) will help, and I'll be trying to contact Bittorrent, inc. Tracker possibility in about 2 weeks. Nominaladversary (talk) 04:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Stuff 

message: Seeing as the official-official and final releases is already torrent-able on the soschildren's website, we can assume that'll be their priority. All help is encouraged to their effort, however. Our focus shifts to every other release and broadening the audience to the project(via torrents of course!)--besides we don't wanna keep focus on just one place... The new year is coming. Nominaladversary (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of focus 

message: "There is no need to mirror download sites of torrents, we have that covered. But posts at dump sites (piratebay, torrentz) are encouraged."
This sentence seems a bit ambiguous in meaning.  I am not quite sure what it is saying.  I also think that the entire page as a whole would be better if it were reorganized, but as I can't think of a better way to organize it, I shall leave that to someone else. Zell Faze (talk) 20:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification? 

message: For those who watch mainly this page - we are putting together another general collection of around 45,000 articles, to be called Version 0.8.  This will test out our ability to automate the version selection, this being the main problem and delay we had for Version 0.7.  I expect Version 0.8 to be produced much more quickly - perhaps by October.  We are having an IRC meeting on Thursday July 29th on distribution of this release - please consider coming if you can (see WT:1).
Also, we will be producing an updated version of Version 0.7 quite soon, to be called 0.701.  I believe there may be another Schools release in the works soon, so watch for that too.  Is there anyone here who is able to help organize torrents for these three collections? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will help seed the torrent. Wizzy…☎ 09:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We're still waiting on the ZIM file.  I heard three days ago that it was almost ready. Walkerma (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version 0.8 

message: Admittedly I haven't been the most active in recent months (didn't even realize it was my WikiBirthday because I haven't been logged in). However, given the wikibreak of the coordinator, I would like to request as a ClearBits content uploader that I help as a co or acting coordinator until we hear more from our main coordinator.--Ipatrol (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great!  We should have Version 0.8 ready for release in October (see above), but it's been awfully quiet on this page recently...!  We'd really appreciate it if you could organise the torrent part of the release. Walkerma (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

text: That's great that we have someone!  We will be contacting the WikiProjects soon, probably tomorrow, with our proposed list.  Once we've got feedback from them (in the next month or so), we'll get the release prepared for Kiwix and Okawix releases. As for your offline collection, are you creating an OpenZIM file?  Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 01:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Co-coordinator 

message: Hello! I am probably asking this question in the wrong place ...  If you look at my editorial contributions, I just started, and I began on a fundraising page.  I was making a proposal for the WMF to sell hard drives loaded with the encyclopedia.  Then I got sent over here.  I found a "donor" who would help the WMF get this proposal going.  These pages are so detailed, I really don't understand what is currently available.  Can you direct me to the correct place, please? LadyJosie (talk) 17:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does one actually buy a CD-ROM set containing Wikipedia Articles?