Talk:Ball culture

message: There's a lot of odd non sequiturs, repetition and weird formatting choices in this article. Just in the first paragraph we see it repeated twice that people walk for prizes and trophies, and then that ball culture is rooted in necessity (for what?) and defiance (of what?). The history section tells us that there is almost 150 years of history to balls, but tells us almost nothing about them. It tells us that the first balls were gatherings of former slaves to dance in silk and satin dressed and invitations were given at the YMCA, but it doesn't tell us when or where these balls happened, or how many people attended. It tells us that the first Hamilton Lodge ball was definitely integrated, but it doesn't even tell us which decade that it happened in. Its very clear that despite being integrated (when this was extremely rare for any event) it was still extremely racist, but doesn't give a citation for that. The whole article tells us that balls are a black and Latino sub culture, but also that the first balls were integrated with whites in charge, and only later did the black and Latino participants make their own balls. We are told that the format "we know" arose in the 1950s but it doesn't tell us what that format is, or how previous balls were different.
Its all just a mess, honestly. It desperately needs more mainstream citations too, because the academic texts are obscure and we are left to guess if they are based on first hand accounts or what. 88.144.137.230 (talk) 20:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall style is really strange 

message: The style, to speak loosely, more or less resembles magazine articles presenting a panegyric.  Substantial revisions to tone and style are needed to make this resemble something encyclopedic, as well as citations for any claims that may remain in the article.  Unfortunately, this has become a large problem for many articles of this subcategory.  See other talk post for more valuable discussion and suggestion. Zusty001 (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with you. I have tried to do a cleanup (if my edits have made things worse, feel free to revert), but I do not know enough about history, or more mainstream academic sources discussing the phenomenon to do any further substantive edits to the article. The above post and this one both make some good points. (out of curiosity, what do you mean by ""? Just curious. —AFreshStart (talk) 13:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Apologies if my edits were problematic. I agree with a lot of your criticisms, IMO, the "stag dances" should be spun off onto its own article. I'll admit that I don't know enough about this topic area to correct any creeping errors, but I have thought this article and the cross-dressing one had some serious issues in terms of tone. Probably a lot of effort to expect a new editor like yourself to do, but any help you could give recovering these articles would be greatly appreciated. Happy to help where I can. —AFreshStart (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantial revisions needed 

message: Sol Pendavis Williams redirects to this article, which I'm surprised to see no longer mentions him. I'm pretty certain this is because we used to have some content here on House of Pendavis. I'll look through the history if I get a chance, but does anyone know offhand why the content was removed? Can it be reinstated or is there any reason Williams' names should instead redirect to Paris is Burning, or Pose (TV series), where he is mentioned? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 22:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Pendavis?  

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 12:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ball culture →  – Per first sentence of the article. GnocchiFan (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject African diaspora has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Dance has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject LGBT studies has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 November 2023 

message: The redirect Sol Pendavis Williams has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  GnocchiFan (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Sol Pendavis Williams]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]