Template talk:WesternSahara-stub

message: This flag isn't unanumously recognized as flag of WS. Its usage is inoccurate and misleading. Daryou 16:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the reasoning of many sources, including the UN, this flag isn't the flag of WS. Daryou 17:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  UN has never recognized the SADR. Daryou 17:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: That is a good point, about Template:Taiwan-stub. (FWIW, more countries recognize SADR than ROC, according to the respective articles. On the other hand, no one suggested using the map for Template:Taiwan-stub.) The other case I had in mind was Template:Cyprus-stub, which originally had a map as a more neutral image than the flag, after some discussion prior to its creation (although there's currently an anon who keeps putting the flag there, and not a good image of the flag for that matter either.) One other solution would be to have no image, as stub templates hardly require images. --Mairi 22:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if the ROC is less recognized than SADR, it does actually control the whole territory of Taiwan. The situation is completely different in WS. SADR doesn't control the whole territory, using the flag of SADR to represent the whole territory of WS is misleading, inoccurate and biased for an encyclopedia. Daryou 22:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the flag used in the Template:Taiwan-stub is the chineese flag of the Taiwan province. I think that you know it since you use a different flag in your user page ;) . Daryou 22:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  So, is it the flag of Taiwan or China? You see that the Template:Taiwan-stub uses the ROC proposed flag of the whole China, but is used only in Taiwan related pages.  The situation is by then completely different. We discussed the issue many times in the WS infobox conflict. Daryou 23:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  I SAID that the situation is completely different. We have already discussed the matter. Daryou 23:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've protected the template. Every change to a template that is in use on many articles causes problems for the template. Please resolve the problems here, rather than edit warring.
As it is, the flag is clearly going to cause a problem for some users. The map, however, is far too big for a stub icon. There is no reason why this stub even needs an icon, so for now, until some resolution can be reached, it hasn't got one. 
For details on this page protection, see Wikipedia:Protected pages.
Grutness...wha? 05:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Okay - it looks like the dust has now settled. There seem to be three possible things to do as regards an icon for this template:
#use the flag, 30px
#use a map, such as 
#have no icon.
So as to avoid further edit warring, I'd like to call upon a vote here - feel free to add a support OR oppose vote to any of these three choices, as listed below. Please only vote oppose if you have a genuine reason for doing so (such as a fear of the icon showing political bias). After a couple of weeks it should be clear which of the choices is most acceptable, or at leqast narrow down the options. Feel free to mention this vote on any relevant wikipedia forums. My own opinion is that - unless there are objections - the flag would be betters, as it is more in keeping with other stub icons. If it is not acceptable, however, then the map is also a viable option (as is having no icon at all). Grutness...wha? 00:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note: "Consistency" is not a reason in itself not to use a particular icon, as geo-stub icons are deliberately not consistent for a number of reasons. Some countries use flags, such as , others use maps, like , and some even have combined map/flag icons (such as  and ). Grutness...wha? 02:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That would be an invitation to edit wars, I think.--E  Asterion u talking to me? 11:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose
#Cpt. Morgan With a region that is so strongly claimed by two parties, and with non of the options being officialy recognized by the majority of the international community, using the flag representing only one of the two parties and the icon is not a neutral choice.
===Map icon===
====Support====
#Asterion. Though I have nothing against the RASD flag, I find the map more suitable for a controversial issue like this. This should prevent any possible edit wars.
#Cpt. Morgan As stub tags display a variety of different images, this map is very well suited to be used as an image here.
#Concur w/ Asterion and Cpt. Morgan. This would be my second choice after the no icon. Saharawis are geographically related to this map but not necessarily to the political flag. -- Szvest 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub icon

message: ====Support====
#Asterion. Though I have nothing against the RASD flag, I find the map more suitable for a controversial issue like this. This should prevent any possible edit wars.
#Cpt. Morgan As stub tags display a variety of different images, this map is very well suited to be used as an image here.
#Concur w/ Asterion and Cpt. Morgan. This would be my second choice after the no icon. Saharawis are geographically related to this map but not necessarily to the political flag. -- Szvest 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map icon

message: #Asterion. Though I have nothing against the RASD flag, I find the map more suitable for a controversial issue like this. This should prevent any possible edit wars.
#Cpt. Morgan As stub tags display a variety of different images, this map is very well suited to be used as an image here.
#Concur w/ Asterion and Cpt. Morgan. This would be my second choice after the no icon. Saharawis are geographically related to this map but not necessarily to the political flag. -- Szvest 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: ====Support====
#Cpt. Morgan. Stubs tags are mainly used by people who know how to use wikipedia and for categorization. IMO a stub does not need an image to be useful.
#In relation to neutrality, no icon would be the best solution of a complicated issue as this. -- Szvest 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No icon

message: #Cpt. Morgan. Stubs tags are mainly used by people who know how to use wikipedia and for categorization. IMO a stub does not need an image to be useful.
#In relation to neutrality, no icon would be the best solution of a complicated issue as this. -- Szvest 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose
#Koavf - Inconsistent. Why should the ROC get displayed, but not the SADR? -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support