Talk:Rachel Summers

message: Does anybody actually believe that Rachel Grey and Rachel Summers are the same person? They act completely different and many of the things Rachel Summers knew and was capable of doing, Rachel Grey is not (like walk in heels, Rachel Summers not only walked in heels, but one of her costumes was known for it's heels. Rachel Grey, however, is incapable of that). Rachel Summers also is suppose to be without the Pheonix Force, but Rachel Grey has had several phoenix manifestations. 216.215.245.26
* I have noticed this aswell. Rachel had the power cosmic through Phoenix, and thereby access to all the knowledge of the infinite cosmos, and power unimaginable. In her adventure in Excalibur she did things on the same power level as Dark Phoenix. Without any training, she was able to travel through time and dimensions. She was able to cause any sort of molecular rearrangement she wanted. She may have lost her source of all that power, but I don't see why she should suddenly lose all her natural skills, and forgot how to use telekinetic abilities. This woman went to the end of time and had infinite knowledge. Then she decided it was time to go to college? How about her personality? She has been married, seen her husband killed before her eyes, and been a mutant assassin, and that was all before she joined Excalibur. How does she have the personallity (and appearance) of a 16 year old all of a sudden? She used to have a rebellious independant flare to her personality, and now she just seems like a naive, depressed little girl. Dorin 19:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rachel Grey

message: "Rachel may be an Omega-level mutant who possesses the psionic powers of telepathy including psychometry and telekinesis as well as limited time manipulation abilities. [Rachel was only ever referred to as an omega contact by a Sentinel fifteen years before the term had a definition. It should also be noted that a variety of other super-powered characters, mutant and non-mutant alike were also referred to as contacts. The term 'omega' was coined by Charles Xavier, and no Sentinel would have had access to his terminology prior to the Operation: Zero Tolerance story arc, which occurred in 2001. Thusly, it is unlikely that this one-off usage constitutes Rachel being an omega mutant under the current understanding of the word.]"
Since the term 'Omega' had no meaning in Marvel canon(as the story took place fifteen years before omega had an established meaning), and a sentinel would have no way to access Xavier's files (who originally created the term), does a mutant hunting robot labeling her an 'omega contact' really justify adding this 'maybe an omega mutant' line?  The sentinel identified other threats(non-mutants) as contacts as well, so it is clear that contact DOESN'T mean mutant.  Thusly wouldn't omega contact NOT mean omega mutant?  It would seem to make more sense to say, simply, "Rachel is an extremely powerful mutant who possesses...."
That is, unless someone ELSE has evidence that she's an omega.  I know in the "198 files" it lists all the mutants.  All the CONFIRMED omega mutants are noted as such in these files.  Rachel's file, however, makes NO NOTE of her omega status.  
Coincidence?  Doubtful. 
Further more; here is the ONLY reference to Rachel being an omega ANYTHING (to my knowledge); 
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9538/11yd0.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm208page08sf6.jpg
As you can see from these two pages, an omega contact is simply a contact (mutant or otherwise) who is on par with the Nimrod unit.  It has nothing to do with omega power level.  This occurence is the only time I know of that Rachel and 'Omega' were ever even mentioned in the same sentence in-canon.  Fifteen years BEFORE the first mention of an 'omega mutant,' 
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanbobbyqy0.jpg
Seen here.  
Example from the 198 files, Iceman, a KNOWN omega-level mutant;
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemanga8.jpg
Another example from the 198 files, Quentin Quire, a KNOWN omega-level mutant;
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenthe198files33ck4.jpg
One more, just to drive the point home, Elixir;
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenthe198files14vv1.jpg
Now, Rachel's entry;
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rachelnooba5.jpg
While it says that she is a severe threat, the word 'omega' is never used.  Not a single time.  
129.120.244.92 19:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can agree with most of that, but I still think it is important to note, for that very reason. Stating that she was classified as Omega before the term came into general use is better than saying nothing at all. If you think it needs expanding on the article, do so, but don't reduce content that's valid.Dorin (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Omega declaration?  

message: I remember reading the Dark Phoenix Saga, and in one of the issues, Jean and Cyclops were sitting on a plateau in the southwest when Jean formed the psychic rapport that they share.  I remember them kissing and then the scene changed.  I thought, that I read somewhere that this was when Rachel may have been conceived.  I can't remember if it was really touched on or not, but it is something that has been bugging me.  However, with the reveleation during the Days of Future Present crossover when Rachel could not locate Scott lead to some speculation that she may not be Scott's daughter.  I've read she may be Wolverine's kid or possibly a creation of Jean's Phoenix Powers.  I do know that in the Days of Future Past timeline that Jean evolved into Phoenix, which was originally supposed to happen here, but due to editorial BS it didnt.  If anyone has any input on an issue where I could find this let me know.  Thanks people.Drunknesmonsta (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it has ever been officially stated other than Rachel being a "future" child of Jean and Scott's. As she is from an alternate timeline it is quite possible that she will never officially be born into the Earth 616 reality. Jean did tell her sometime around her marriage to Scott that she was hoping to become pregnate with Rachel, which made Rachel very happy. Of course she died before this could happen. Artemisboy (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Her brief time in the White Hot Room depicted that she had a limited number of incarnations, meaning that her existence is predicated on a limited number of possibilities.  In Uncanny X-Men: The Cruelest Cut, she also mentioned that her existence was an enigma and that even if she shouldn't exist int he 616 (since she's clearly supposed to be the first child of "Jean" and Cyclops).
What you both say is true, but I'm very curious about her true parentage, whether it is really Jean and Scott, or the other theories such as Wolverine and Jean and just a creation of the Phoenix force.  Looking back at the Days of Future Present crossover it seems very possible that Scott is not her biological father.  But, until they do a little more in depth view of Earth-811 all people can do is speculate.  Drunknesmonsta (talk) 01:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth of Rachel Summers in 616 

message: Comics Alliance has a pretty decent article on the history of Rachel Summers .  I did some looking around and it looks like Comics Alliance is a pretty reliable source, being referred to be a few standing reliable news sources (Toronto Star, MTV.com, etc.). Since the Fictional Character Biography should be comprised of those events that are covered by reliable sources, this will probably be quite useful and valuable in rewriting the FCB.  The summary is concise, but leaves room for fleshing out, especially if we can find some additional reliable sources that go into a bit more detail of things that may have been left out in their summary.Luminum (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rachel Summers resource 

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message: Can she get a new picture, one that isn't from 2008? Cordelia Van Allen (talk) 20:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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