Talk:Guadalajara

message: In the first paragraph we find "The Guadalajara Metropolitan Area includes other adjacent municipalities and has a population of 4,112,332 inhabitants" and further into the article under "Population" we find "the Guadalajara Metropolitan Area also includes the municipalities of Zapopan, Tlaquepaque, Tonalá, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga, and El Salto, which together totaled 3,967,252 inhabitants in 2005". This seems a bit inconsistent and should be revised. I'll check out official figures and make the appropriate changes if deemed necessary.
On a different note, part of the content under "Education" (specifically the information related to ASFG) seems to be copy-pasted directly from http://www.asfg.mx/school_sections.php .--adeiln 05:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistency in population figures. Education section should be revised.

message: It needs a map!
The population figures were insanely WRONG. (2 to 3 times above the real ones) I fixed it.
6.3 million was indeed incorrect, as it is the population of the entire state of Jalisco. Be that as it may, I'm not sure about your numbers, I've found more than one estimate over 4mil.  I'll hold off on making changes until the [INEGI] releases de 2005 census information. SalvadorRodriguez 18:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the state of Mexico were the people think they are all that.  We could use past census numbers AND stating the date they were taken (actually that should we doing anyway with all numeric data (reference + date) --  ( drini's page ☎ ) 22:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I just went to INEGI page and got 1 646 183 from 2000 Census. INEGI site puzzles me, they have a lot of info but couldn't find a simple page listing population of cities. so I had to register for SIMBAD system. This is the url for the search query after login: http://sc.inegi.gob.mx/simbad/servlet/Ptab2?c=x174096,17100201c82,17100201c83,17100201c84,n14039,&nt=1# but that won't work if you're not registered on the system. Can anyone get a simpler non-register only url that works and put it on the reference? --  ( drini's page ☎ ) 23:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ... 

message: Parts of the article sound like they came from a brochure.
"Becomes a hotspot...when the team scores a "key" victory"
"Where "diversity" is the keyword."
:: I beleive the cultural centers chunk was taken from  (maybe it was the other hand, but the brochuer style makes me think it was copied TO wikipedia from there), so I removed it per copyright concerns --  ( drini's page ☎ ) 04:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedia-like? 

message: * Well, do we have an article about Hospicio Cabañas? Need the link if it exists to fix some other entry. --  ( drini's page ☎ ) 22:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  info 

message: as beautiful as the images of Plaza Tapatia by night are, they can't be allowed for wikipedia, due to their noncommercial/with-permission-only nature. They will be removed, I think it's the second time I remove them, please do not reupload them. --  Drini 18:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: There is no such thing as a flag of Guadalajara. (Mexican municipalities do not have flags). This particular flag is a creation of the Wiki Common's user Alejandro24 and is merely a proposal (he designed it). I don't think it is encyclopedic to include this flag on the article.  --Alonso 04:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag

message: Once again, you guys can not delete contribution without a valid reason and explanation in the discussion page, if this keep happening all person who delet a contribution in the article would be reported as vandalism, Nethency has deleted all my contributions arguing my text is promotional, when all is based in true and its just a clear and very good transalation based in he spanish version wich is about to become in an important article "articulo destacado" in he spanish page.
Please before deleting or make contribution come to the discussion page, if not, the user will be blocked as well.
Thank you Raveonpragha
:I used the word 'promotional' because the contributions in question clearly stress the achievements (in past, present and possible future) of the city, to make it look attractive - in terms of 'one of the best, if not the best'. On this discussion page that was compared with brochure information and perhaps that's a good way to describe it. Wp articles are not meant to make cities, countries or people look attractive, but to describe them neutrally. I'm not doubting the correctness of the figures mentioned, but lines like "makes it very strategic for the comerce with the rest of the country, wich attracts investors and commerce worldwide", "a very important center of universities and educative centers with national and world-wide prestige" and "Its cultural wealth has taken an important front sight in the tourist sector" in my view express "Hey everybody, this is the place to be". Apart from that, info was brought in that was already on the page (like the universities mentioned). Nethency 19:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NOT DELETING

message: Vandalism is when you erase information that is sourced and supplant it with unsourced information. Hari Seldon 01:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Quote:
Personages Illustrate
Guadalajara, in a matter of modern and old culture honors those illustrate citizens that during history they made heighten the name of his state and its city. Some personages are carved, in the seat of the roundhouse of the illustrious men, located in the historical center of the city of Guadalajara. Roundhouse of the Jaliscienses Ilustres...
- I vaguely get what this is about, but I'm not sure that "personages illustrate" is good English, lest to say it's encyclopedic English. And "in a matter of modern and old culture" sounds probably like something the author wasn't trying to say. Could someone give this a quick revamp? Grácias! FreshBreeze 11:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the whole article needs a revamp. It should also conform to encyclopedic standards. I think, like Nethency once pointed out, that some sections sound more like a tourist brochure and not like an encyclopedia. --Alonso 17:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrations & other illustrate persons 

message: A few people have commented about the poor English in sections of the article (e.g. Personages Illustrate). I think that what has happened here is that someone has translated the Spanish version of this article, using something like Babelfish, then pasted the translation here without bothering to amend the grammar etc. This needs to be sorted out so it makes more sense. Ygoloxelfer 16:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely agree, there is much evidence of Babelfishing.  The article has quite a few of these "hiccups". I have cleaned up the first paragraph somewhat and I hope to proceed through the article to correct these issues. Radishes 23:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translated?

message: el coffer, one of the greatest up-and-coming footballers in the world was born in Guadalajara in 1990 and currently lives in Ireland. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.75.106 (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  el coffer 

message: I would like to confirm, as a native Arabic speaking Wikipedian that the name "Wadi Al Hajara" literally translates into "Valley of the Stone". - Omernos 01:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from your word-of-mouth confirmation... Can you offer any reliable source? Hari Seldon 06:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's precisely what I found, that the literal translation of Wad' is not "river" but "valley" (see above). --theDúnadan 21:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic name 

message: I know Jalisco is the world's biggest producer of tequila, but isn't most of it outside Guadalajara, near Tequila? Rees11 21:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Tequila has to be produced in Tequila not in Guadalajara. --theDúnadan 04:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, Tequila is a form of Mescal but because most people use "mescal" to refer to the smokey agave spirit, "destilado de agave" is used to show that the beverage is not smokey. -- Azemocram (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tequila 

message: Compared to California, GDL weather is quite unique.  It rains in the summers and is hot.  In the winters it rarely rains and is cool.  For traveler, etc, I think this is important information.  I like the way month to month average temperature and rainfall are illustrated in the Wikipedia of California counties.  If I had that info, I would add it.  Can someone do that?76.197.11.240 09:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather 

message: The Guadalajara article is riddled with outright lies, pretentious assertions, misleading comments, personal opinions, and weasel phrases. There are basically no quotes or facts to support most of the claims made in the article.
It seems to me as if most of the article was written by a group of hardcore tapatios, much more interested in showing off their city via their personal perception of it than actually creating an encyclopedia-like entry.
Indeed, Guadalajara, is a beautiful city. Will someone please fix this article and honor such a great city by writing a FACTUAL account of it and grasping what ENCYCLOPEDIA means? Guadalajara certainly deserves better than this.
Some examples:
"Guadalajara is one of the principal centers of culture, economy, history, industry and religion in the country and exerts significant influence on the rest of Mexico."
According to whom? How and where is this supported? Who's opinion is this?
"Guadalajara grew quickly until it became the industrial, tourist and commerce headquarter of the country, and the second most important city in Mexico after the national capital (Mexico City)"
So Guadalajara became the industrial, tourist, and commerce headquarter of the country??? Says who, again? Proof, please?
Oh, and it seemingly also become the second "most important" city in Mexico after Mexico City. What does "most important" mean? According to whom? Where does that leave Monterrey?
"Jalisco, including its capital city Guadalajara, is one of the regions of Mexico where the population is mainly of European descent"
Proof, quote, or reference again, please?
"... the city is the national leader in development and investment in shopping malls. Many shopping centers have been built, such as Plaza Galerias, one of the largest shopping centers in Latin America."
The "national leader" part is a blatant lie; again, there's no reference to support such a claim and whoever wrote that line has never visited Mexico City. CC Santa Fe, CC Perisur, Plaza Loreto, Plaza Satelite, Plaza Universidad, Centro Coyacán, Mundo E, Galerias Insurgentes, Galerias Coapa, Plaza Cuicuilco, Pabellon Polanco, Antara, and Plaza Moliere are just some of the larger malls located in Mexico City's Metropolitan Area. Guadalajara isn't even in the same league.
As for the Plaza Galerias comment, it is a very average-sized shopping mall, easily surpassed in scale by several of the aforementioned malls in Mexico City, let alone Latin America as a whole.
Some additional nonconformities:
-The entire Education section is biased, based on personal opinion, and unsubstantiated. -The Culture section is almost entirely based on personal opinion as well, especially with unsupported claims such as "Guadalajara produces the most important cultural magazine in the country".
Please fix this article.
--Fherrp80 18:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fact that Monterrey does not have the appeal that Guadalajara does, keep "regios" burning in a bonfire of jealousy. A shame.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.192.146.235 (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonconformities 

message: In the architecture section, one of the captions for a photograph reads: "galardoned by architecture." Galardoned is neither a verb nor a word in the English language. I assume that the person who wrote that attempted to convert "galardoneado" (meaning that it won an award) to English. It should be corrected. Thank you.--190.0.147.20 (talk) 00:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture 

message: To respond to the revert of recent edits with the comment: 
Removed sister cities, identified as "Nuetral Point Of Views". There are no other cities beside Guadalajara, Spain. I'm born and breed from Guadalajara and I know my country
You are mistaken, see:  [].  Also, please do not revert the entire edits if you only disagree with one portion of them.  I am posting this here instead of reverting right away, but the sister city fact has a valid source and should be included, as well as the other edits that improved the language of a section that reads quite poorly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrac (talk • contribs) 17:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: Hi there User:Vrac. You might have the references to back up your statements, but in my opinion Guadalajara, Spain is the main choice for the main sister city to Guadalajara, Jalisco, because it is named after Spain who colonize the country. Most of the countries and locations listed on the citations are not even part of the Spanish Empire. I' am simply keeping the article simple and giving out a straight forward information. --Ramírez 18:00, December 15, 2007 (UTC)
Suggested reading:  WP:NPOV, neutral point of view refers to inserting bias into articles, putting innocuous and easily verifiable facts such as sister cities in an article is in no way a violation of the NPOV policy.  Vrac (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister Cities 

message: "The word Guadalajara comes from the greek word Guadalaxas that means 'home of kind and beautiful people'." Then, later on: "The city is named after the Spanish city of Guadalajara, whose name originates from the Arabic word (وادي الحجرة) 'wadii al-Hajara', which means 'valley of stones' or 'valley of the fortress'.[3]" It would seem that these two sentences are contradictory to one another. In that case, the correct statement should be posted and the incorrect one removed. However, if the problem is a little more complex (as I suspect it may be,) the (needless to say, correct) information needs to be presented in a less confusing, more thorough, and more encyclopedic manner.
Also, "greek" should be capitalized.
Also, does anyone think that the Introduction is a bit long?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.28.203 (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradictory Information

message: All the education part seems a little biased in my opinion, and there are no sources that the Universities in GDL are that good, IPN of Mexico is by far regarded as the best public education institute after UNAM, not GDL University, and why does it states that some of the best in the world are in GDL, there are no sources for this information, so unless any sources are provided, I suggest to just put the facts, which are that it has good universities and that is all.  Leonoel (talk) 15:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: It's funny how I checked the article a couple of days ago and everything was normal, I check it today and there are the two following "additions" with no sources to back them up.  1."The metropolitan area is the third largest after Mexico city and Monterrey's metropolitan areas"... WRONG!  2.The whole addition about Guadalajara being the San Francisco of Mexico for having Mexico's biggest gay community.
Both additions happened around or at the same time, it doesn't take much to figure this one out.  Please, I know you are obsessed with your city (MTY) but leave Guadalajara's article alone!!!
:I never heard of any gay community in Guadalajara but it is the second or third largest metropolitan area in Mexico. I am from Seattle so I would never contribute to any articles about Seattle unless I can find sufficient information. You, sir, must be biased for some other city. -- Azemocram (talk) 17:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How childish! 

message: I don't want to create a disturbance about edits, but I DID want to make a tiny correction to the name of a song listed under the Pop Culture section.  It says that Ted Kennedy sang "No Te Rajes Jalisco" on the Piolín radio show; the name of the song is actually "Jalisco, No te Rajes," or "Hay, Jalisco, no te rajes."  This is a popular song perfomed by several important and recognized Mexican artists throughout Mexican culture.  By the way, it's not just sung in Jalisco...before anyone says anything.  Thanks! --162.80.36.13 (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Correction: POP CULTURE SECTION 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Guadalajara, Jalisco]] 

message: Id like to propose getting rid of the entire pop culture section as it just a list of trivia. I would just go ahead and do it, but I know it would just get reverted. Would rather have a consenus here first.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  get rid of pop culture 

message: I will remove this phrase : " It is also ranked in the top ten in Latin America in terms of gross domestic product and the highest ranking in Mexico", becoue there is not any reference and also  beouse it is fale.
You've should added: "...and I am from Monterrey, and despite of being that close to the United States of America, I use a terrible english grammar and spelling when it comes to attack this page"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.192.146.235 (talk) 21:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  gross domestic product 

message: The profile picture is a little weird. It's too many pictures of individual modern buildings. It's like the creator is trying to create this perception that it's an exceedingly modern city. The picture is over-the-top and tacky. We should consider replacing it. 209.163.243.99 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profile picture 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Guadalajara]] 

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message: The art scene in Guadalajara? Pebblessss (talk) 06:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guadalajara 

message: WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Unless significant expansion with additional sources can be accomplished, this would be better served in combination with the larger article its directly associated with. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Tapatío]] into [[Guadalajara]] 

message: I propose merging Coat of arms of Guadalajara into Guadalajara. I think the content in the coat of arms page can easily be explained in the context of this page, and a merge would not cause any article-size or weighting problems. Significa liberdade (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: -- I'd love your input. Can you explain why you believe the coat of arms should have its own page separate from the city page? Significa liberdade (talk) 23:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Agree with merge proposal - the coat of arms doesn't seem to have particular notability of itself. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 13:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Support the merge; this doesn't meet the notability criteria for having its own article, and I don't see any significant issues arising from merging this into Guadalajara. Deauthorized. (talk) 17:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

text: *Support the merge. A redirect could be kept and its contents could come back to the article if/when it becomes too large to remain in Guadalajara. Rkieferbaum (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

text: *Support merge. Obviously keep the redirect and the categories. Pichpich (talk) 17:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Significa liberdade (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal