Talk:Antalya

message: it was copied from here http://www.antalya.gov.tr/eng.htm ILovePlankton 02:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: "Atatürk claimed without doubt Antalya is the most beautiful place in the world."
isn't this a bit funny, i mean inappropriate for the article?? Where and when did he claim that? 85.235.91.68 12:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: google it, its true. 85.97.40.61 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ataturk's "Claim"

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message: I would prefer to see a national census reference used rather than a local one even though the figures may truly be derived from national ones. Historically, localities (elsewhere) have tended to inflate populations. Student7 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 Census

message: The phrase "There is a military base in the city." was deleted, no edit summary given. First, there should be an edit summary. Second, the fact of the military base should be accounted for somewhere. The original entry seemed to suggest that the military was under local control which did not seem credible. But the military should provide some sort of positive financial gain for the city which should be accounted for somewhere. Unless it isn't within the city limits of course.Student7 (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Military

message: What should we do for improve the article, like better photographs? OnurTcontribs 19:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at things, I think the writing needs to have more depth.  Many of the sections are just a few one-sentence paragraphs.  Filling those paragraphs out with more information would be good.  A good copy editor might also add a lot to this.  For example, in the population section, there is just a table.  How did the city grow so much?  What drove the growth? Where did the growth happen? Was it by annexation, development within the city, or immigration?  I think the pictures are great, but there should be more text developing what they are and how they fit into the culture of the city. There is probably a bunch of context that could be added that would round this out.   --Chrispounds (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rated down C-Class? 

message: Have an old census reference from 2000, just as a baseline for any other guesstimates someone might come up with. http://www.geohive.com/cntry/turkey.aspx. We really need a footnote for current data as well.Student7 (talk) 13:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know if it's too detailed, but here's some stats from TÜİK: 1970 1975 1980 1990 2000 and 2008 (at bottom). Notice Aksu and Döşemealtı has added to Metropolitian Municipality after the Municipality code early 2000s OnurTcontribs 15:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: The following reference does not support the associated material, but may prove of value elsewhere:
://www.antalya-ws.com/english/location/antalya/whistory.asp
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|title=A Walk Through Antalya's History
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--Mavigogun (talk) 12:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Retained Reference

message: I propose making Etymology a sub-section of history- where most of the information is duplicated.--Mavigogun (talk) 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I believe WikiProject Cities agrees with your organization. Student7 (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The below expert from a single article in no way warrants characterizing Antalya as "the European Dubai":
:At least, that’s how most Brits are viewing the country. Turkey’s tourism chiefs see things somewhat differently. They are busy transforming a section of its southern seaboard into a European Dubai.   The object of their attentions is Antalya — an hour’s plane ride from Istanbul, down on a ragged cliff edge of the Mediterranean and piled high with the sort of bleak tower blocks that we spent the 1960s building and the 1980s bulldozing.   Granted, not the most promising launch pad for a razzmatazz resort, but then you need bifocal beer goggles to declare most of Dubai pretty, too. And Antalya is already home to several hotels that seem to rely more on steroids than star ratings.
I have removed the characterization from the lead. Mavigogun (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the only source. It's a common point of view. See also . I'm readding that statement. --Turkish Flame ☎ 14:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You will need to provide citations for the conclusion that it is a 'common point of view'.   No Turk I have spoken with has ever heard of Antalya so characterized.   The purpose of the talk page is not merely to post justifications for an autocratic edit, but to allow for discourse and collaboration; posting what amounts to 'is so' without supporting citation does nothing to address the conflict.Mavigogun (talk) 14:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find any sources which support your point of view? I provided sources but you removed them lots of times. Removing sourced info is a certain kind of vandalizm. Please refrain from doing that. --Turkish Flame ☎ 14:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing a poorly cited edit (with its citation) is far from vandalism.   There has previously been no plurality to the citation in support of the edit.   The second source indicated today says in its title 'How Antalya became the new Dubai' but then provides nary a supporting word (in no way supporting the assertion that Antalya is known as such); the characterization is also different from the bazar contention that this Asian city is, as described in your other post, 'The European Dubai' -a google search (used not to qualify, but as an example) for 'European Dubai' results in only recent edits to these wiki pages, the single article you cite, and a publicity piece reposted verbatim on multiple pages- hardly credible.   It seems that any place experiencing a boom is being described in some way as Dubai-like- which is not the same as saying it is KNOWN as such.   Actually, many other locations are attributed the same title; at the very least, use of the direct article is not supported; the conflict between the sources provided also needs to be addressed (New Dubai vs European Dubai).Mavigogun (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: New or European Dubai, it doesn't matter. But Antalya is referred to as a city like Dubai. The official tourism portal of Turkey, goturkey.com, also published a story about this issue.  And you said Antalya is an Asian city. Yes, geographically Asian, but Turkey is in the European branch of the World Tourism Organization. That's why Times Online called it European. --Turkish Flame ☎ 15:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: On the contrary, how it is characterized- and if that characterization amounts to common usage -is exactly the issue.   Obviously it HAS been referred to thusly- but that isn't what you assert in the lead: you state that it is KNOWN as such- a different, and judging from sources and peer consultation, unwarranted assertion.   While the rational you give to the reason the author of the Times article used the wording may be correct, it is mere supposition, and, more importantly, not relevant to the issue at hand (that is to say, membership in the aforementioned organization does not change whether Antalya is KNOWN as, or has just been described as, The European or New Dubai).Mavigogun (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Calling something by a derivative name is not helpful. This encyclopedia is WP:NOTTRAVEL.  Does "second Dubai" mean that there is a local Emir calling the shots? Drinking not allowed? Too hot to visit? What? An area is what it is. We will describe it here in such terms that a reader will understand it - that is our job. Giving it names of some other area does nothing for this article except confuse a reader. Please stop. Student7 (talk) 16:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubai Characterization 

message: The template Districts of Turkey has been prepared for provinces and it is used in all provinces of Turkey, except Antalya. Instead, it was used in the city of Antalya. I moved it Antalya Province where it properly belongs.  Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template districts 

message: Is it really true that "Antalya Metropolitan Municipality’s covered wholesale food market complex meets 65% of the fresh fruit and vegetable demand of Turkey."? The reference link cited is not there. Maybe it was once true but is no longer. For example I guess a lot of the veg consumed in Ankara must come from here in Samsun province.
Jzlcdh (talk) 12:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim seemed a bit much. I could not see anything about percentages when I went to link. I don't read Turkish so could not step to "correct" page, if indeed, there is a correct page. Reference may need adjusting. In the meantime, I changed to 65% of province which doesn't seem to overstep. Of the country seems a bit much IMO. Trucks and trains would be going in and out constantly with no letup. And to Istanbul? It doesn't seem credible. Student7 (talk) 14:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit and veg 

message: This is so unusual as to garner comment. Really needs to be changed to "days" of sunshine. Student7 (talk) 23:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hours of sunshine?

message: Yivli Minare refers only to the thick minaret. The mosque itself is called Alaaddin Camii (Alaadin Mosque) or Ulu Camii (Grand Mosque). There is confusion because the mosque is famous for its minaret than its core building. I am from Antalya, so you can trust me on this --Bozaltan (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I sure hope you are right. I just went through a bunch of changes to effect this. Yivli Minaret still points to Alaadin Mosque. I am trying to delete Yivli Minaret Mosque (request for deletion) which, BTW, has a LOT of links to it. Ouch! Student7 (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yivli Minare and mosque mistake 

message: I approve in the discussion Talk:Lesbos#Turkish alternative name. Greek alternative name must be removed from the beginning. We can use it in the history section. Takabeg (talk) 08:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NCGN. Antalya was founded as a Greek city and had a large Greek community until 1923. Unlike Lesbos, which never had a asignificant Turkish community and is never referred to as "Midilii" in English sources. Athenean (talk) 08:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If nothing else, it is well known as "Attal(e)ia" in the West due to its occurrence in the Bible. Constantine   ✍  12:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Greek alternative name

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message: Student 7, you initially deleted the mention of Sunay Akın because he was not-notable. When I reverted that for good cause you reverted my edit indicating "we" don't populate place articles with people. If the Museum was founded by Sunay Akın to include his 4000 or so toys why is it wrong to include that piece of information and make it a interwiki? Additionally we would butt heads less if you stated more clearly why you are doign things in the first place instead of coming up with a rationale after the fact. Saffron Blaze (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. I should have been clearer. Thanks for pointing that out. Student7 (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunay Akın 

message: The link to Tourism#Most-visited_cities_by_international_tourist_arrivals no longer contains a city section; only countries. I'm not able to find a list of visited cities on Wikipedia so I'm just going to remove the link for now. This talk section is here to hopefully return the link to a cities list one day.Sudopeople (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th most visited city 

message: I am aware there is the city of Antalya and the province of Antalya. The city in and of itself might be classed as a metropolis, but I have never heard of a surrounding metropolis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antalya&diff=prev&oldid=594098539
A simple check of Google Maps shows very little urban type development outside the city limits.
Saffron Blaze (talk) 22:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Throughout the article it states that information includes the metropolitan community. This is apparently "official" to some degree, unlike elsewhere. I was just trying to emphasize that this was legitimately a two subject article - the city itself and the "official" metropolitan community. I cannot furnish boundaries for it, but apparently "the state" has done that so it is (hopefully) not vague like it is in the West. Student7 (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see, but a metropolitan area and the surrounding metropolis are not quite the same thing. That aside, I think the fault lies with the article itself for even trying to introduce either of those terms for the City of Antalya. The metropolitan area only includes an additional 40K souls, and looking at the hi-res satellite imagery indicates outside the official boundaries of the city is mostly very rural. This is consistent with my recollection of the place. The transition from highly urbanized to farmland/nature was quite dramatic. Saffron Blaze (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with having them as separate articles if there is a citation(s) that back this up. I don't care for two-placed articles! It confuses both readers and us editors. Student7 (talk) 00:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I took a quick read of the article and other than the info box I see no other references to these confusing terms. The only supported census number is reported by the Turkish gov as Antalya (Metropolitan Municipality)= 1.041.972. I would harmonize the article around that term. Saffron Blaze (talk) 01:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metropolis? 

message: I found:  E. Murat Özgür and Ayla Deniz  "A New System of Migration: Female Migration from Russia to Antalya (Turkey)." Procedia - Social and Behavioral Sciences 00 (2012) 000 – 000 but I can't find it on the Procedia list. I don't koow if it's real.
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thread_title:  Is this a real paper? 

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message: Somewhere in the history section the article states that the Italians occupied the city until 1923, which is according to me wrong or potentially wrong. I am looking for the exact date the Italians left the city and certainly the internet is full of different dates. The most possible scenario is that the Italians left long before that year. My belief is that they evacuated all Asia Minor immediately after the Greeks failed to knock out the Turks on the Sakarya battle (5 September 1921). I also suspect, even though I did not look for it there, that the written bibliography (history books) is going to have a large diversity about that date too. Another strong and frequently cited date is 5 July 1921, which I would believe but obviously 1923 has to be deemed a very late date to be the historically accurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.156.63.5 (talk) 12:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Italian withdrawal 

message: I added 2 historic landmarks such as the Aya Yorgi Church and the Murat Pasha moswue located in Antalya next to some of the other ones .If I have made any mistakes in the format that I have written them could anybody fix it.The Aya yorgi (Saint Geoge) church is not showing up could anybody fix it I am not very experienced in editing. GardenofOlivesanddates (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added 2 Historic landmarks 

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thread_title:  santa 

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