Talk:Ñ

message: I've taken the following photos to illustrate the letter Ñ.
Use them as you see fit.
Image:Eñe_on_keyboard_-_greenish.jpg
Image:Eñe_on_keyboard_-_blue.jpg
Image:Eñe_on_keyboard_-_grey.jpg
— Chameleon 21:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: What is the hotkey to type the ñ on a Windows computer?
(CFIF 21:55, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC))
:What's a hotkey?  — Chameleon 22:06, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably depends on your keyboard layout.  I just hit ñ.  — Chameleon 22:31, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: You can try alt-0241.  Or, if you are writing in HTML (which works on Wikipedia) you can type in ñ, ñ or ñ and it'll display as ñ.  On Wikipedia, you can just click on the ñ in the special characters box below the edit box.  Finally, you can select a keymap that includes the letter (for example, choose the keymap for Spain); I use a customised version of that keymap.  — Chameleon 08:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hotkey 

message: "Historically, ñ represented two N's, written as an N with a smaller N, the tilde ~, over it.  For example, the Spanish word año (year) is derived from Latin ANNVS."
:What?
::As it says: the tilde originally was a small lowercase n written on top of the other n. So año was originally written anno, which is clearly from the Latin annus. Jordi·✆ 17:15, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I removed the second bit of the sentence before I realized (via a picture of Ñ/ that the tilde looked like another N. It's back, and clarified. --Ihope127 01:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: Maybe ñ should be in U.S. keyboards. 35 millions United Statesians, whose language is Spanish, and those non-hispanics able to speak it would be able to write in both languages (English and Spanish) without nowadays problems.
:This is hardly an issue. There are actually keyboards with the Ñ symbol, as you know, and anyone wishing to use it can purchase one. The Spanish and English keyboards are actually the same, the only difference in them is what is printed on the keys. The difference lies in the software, something you can easily change by selecting a different key layout in any popular operating system. SaulPerdomo 01:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ñ in U.S. keyboards 

message: The article says, "The English and Spanish alphabets classify it as an N with a tilde." Is this really true for Spanish? According to the Spanish Wikipedia, Ñ is a separate letter in the alphabet, and the Real Academia Española seems to agree when alphabetizing the entries in its dictionary.--Gabbec 21:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove it. The English alphabet does not have it and in Spanish it is a separate letter. --Error 00:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate letter? 

message: From the article: "Unlike other uses of diacritics by alphabets which contain this symbol (such as ü in Astur-Leonese or â in Tagalog), in Spanish Ñ is considered a letter in its own right, with its own name (eñe) and its own place in the alphabet (after N)."
Shouldn't the examples be of words using other letters with the tilde over them, such as Portuguese São? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.153 (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: Why do we use the photo of a dirty keyboard when the spanish-language template has a picture of a nice, clean keyboard? Is there any good reason why we should keep the current one over this other one? --200.44.7.192 04:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind if you change it, in fact I encourage it. The photo on the Spanish language page is more pleasing. --flamma 15:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The dirt in on the camera lens, not the keyboard.  But OK.  59.101.215.205 11:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The other picture

message: Is this letter called an eñe?  How does one pronounce eñe?
74.136.88.231 03:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Spanish it is called "eñe" and it's pronounced en-yeh.--flamma 19:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the way Spanish splits words into syllables, it is actually pronounced e-nyeh, if that's what you meant with the hyphen. Helios 23:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I like yours much better. --flamma 06:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The name of the letter? 

message: From the article: "It is most famously used in Spanish alphabet, where it represents a palatal nasal (IPA: [ɲ]), reminiscent of as /nj/ as in "onion" IPA: [ˈʌnjən], but not exactly the same."
:Then how is it pronounced? The only difference I can see is that, in onion, the [n] and [j] sounds occur in different syllables, whereas the [ɲ] is all supposed to occur in one syllable. 207.69.139.153 15:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say the letter like "en-yay". -Indolences 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: How is the glyph (letter) prounounced in the Spanish alphabet? That's what I came here looking for. In English, the letter 'm' is spelled and pronounced 'em.' Is the Spanish spelling for the letter 'ñ' 'eñe' or is it 'enñe' ? David.daileyatsrudotedu (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: "In Spanish and some other languages (for example Aragonese, Asturian, Aymara, Quechua, Guaraní, Tagalog, Basque, Galician, Tetum) whose orthographies were created under Spanish influence, it also represents the palatal nasal." 
My guess this was meant to mean "it's also used in those languages", but that's not how it parses. I propose removing the word also from the sentence. 195.24.29.51 07:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  also what? 

message: Ñ as an alternative pronunciation of N also exists in Greek, mainly in some dialects of Greek. 
and in these dialects it's not always used instead of N. 
of course not as a part of the alphabet or anything..
that is true but i don't think i can have any source for that.
i dunno if you can tell it's there for example> 
with Ñ          >>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ell-nixta.ogg
with regular N  >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ell-nychta.ogg
btw nychta means night.
the regular N is far more used though
CuteHappyBrute (talk) 04:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen that ñ is also present in Breton language, if somebody could complete this...--Jorge.maturana (talk) 12:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: other languages

message: If you don't have a keyboard with the ñ or don't know the code (like ALT + 0241) it's very hard to reach this page.
Because the "~ + n" doesn't work in the wikipedia searchbar.
I got here through the page about the letter "n" under "See also".
Not to add to the "n or ñ" discussion, but is it maybe a good idea to add a disambiguation/referral page
to the word "ene" (for people who know the name eñe) and the letter "n"?
82.169.112.106 (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it has been done, or I missed it before ^_^ 82.169.112.106 (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to reach the page 

message: Under Ubuntu GNU/Linux OS, when I copy and paste an url containing an ñ in it (not in the domain name but in some sub pages), it becomes %C3%B1. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cañada > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Ca%C3%B1ada , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piñata > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C3%B1ata . Another example: http://www.lastfm.com.tr/music/Señor+Coconut > http://www.lastfm.com.tr/music/Se%C3%B1or+Coconut . Does it have something to do with "Computer usage" section? Neophyrigian (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, read percent-encoding and UTF-8. And you are wrong, "may be replaced" is ambiguous. Should it mean that some specification allows to use ‹ñ› in URL interchangeable with ‹%F1›? That the suggested encoding of ‹ñ› is ‹%F1›? That ‹%F1› is known to be interpreted as ‹ñ› in some environments (which should be specified)? These 3 cases are not the same statement. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually that's the browser decorating the URL: some browsers (not all, I think) replace the %xx symbols in the URL with their UTF-8 representation, so when you click http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%B1a_%28vegetal%29 what you see is http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caña_(vegetal) — 138.100.74.81 (talk) 09:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  %C3%B1 for ñ ? 

message: ! hello ! -- if you need to write an Ñ in Spanish, and your computer hasnt the Ñ symbol, you can write NN (double N). I think it is OK, because it was written NN in ancient times.213.37.30.13 (talk) 14:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of usual replacements for Ñ, including NY, NN, NH, GN, NI, N...  None of them are correct (it's like replacing W with VV in English), but they're often used in situations in which non-ASCII is not allowed, such as variable names in programming, or mail accounts. 138.100.74.81 (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  equivalent for Ñ 

message: The first written Ñ is in a XIII century galician archive, as you can see in the following file: http://www.consellodacultura.org/mediateca/pubs.pdf/doc_en_galego.pdf
This archive is, also, the first galician written script.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.27.169.89 (talk) 21:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: this letter or ñ is very common in Turkmen. It is worth adding but I do not know if there is something published, written about it in English. in turkmen it stands for -ng in English. even The fact that it is very common in Turkmen is not mentioned here let alone its usage. If someone knows something about this letter's usage share please and let us add. --Sir artur (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  in Turkmen 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Enne. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 15#Enne until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Enne" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: While Ñ is best known for its use in Español or Spansih the letter ñ is also used in Iñupiaq language also known as the Alaskan Inuit language  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.180.90 (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also used in Iñupiaq language 

message: I believe there is an error in this statement:
Ñ (lower case ñ, Spanish: eñe, [ˈeɲe] (About this soundlisten)) is a letter of the modern Latin alphabet, formed by placing a tilde (also referred to as a virgulilla in Spanish) on top of an upper- or lower-case N.[1]
The tilde is not strictly the same as a virgulilla. Right in the dictionary definition cited, the virgulilla is the orthographic sign itself placed above the letter, which in this case is the tilde. This translates to the English word diacritic. Examples of diacritics are the tilde, the circumflex, the acute and ague accents, the umlaut, and many others. I am hesitant to remove this, because it may be considered a popular usage. How do others feel?  Fivemile13 (talk) 16:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but based on some looking around online, I think you're right about it being a popular usage.  See the Spanish Wikipedia page "Virgulilla", which is about the tilde but also mentions apostraphes, cedillas, and acute accents as symbols that technically count as virgulillas: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgulilla  This Spanish-English dictionary entry also indicates that it can mean either any diacritic or specifically a tilde: https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/virgulilla  It would be better to use an unambiguous Spanish word, but I don't think there is one.  The Spanish word "tilde" seems to mean "acute accent", and I can't find anything more specific than "virgulilla de eñe". Justin Kunimune (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: Can anyone tell me why this page is trending? Ducky401 (talk) 05:20, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A Google Doodle, apparently. Nardog (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trending 

message: There is a mistake in the text below.  An 'umlaut' is mistakenly referred to as a 'dieresis'.  Although umlauts and diereses use the same diacritical mark (the double dots above ä, ö, and ë for example), they represent distinct phonological phenomena. A dieresis indicates that two vowels are to be pronounced separately (instead of as a diphthong), while the umlaut represents an actual sound change to the affected vowel (the vowel pronunciation is 'fronted' in the mouth, producing a different sound).
REQUESTED CHANGE: change 'dieresis' to 'umlaut'
So this sentence:
The city council of A Coruña changed the placement of the tilde from over the ⟨n⟩ to over the initial ⟨c⟩ to create a logo,[10] in a way similar to what was done by the city of Göteborg that changed the dieresis of the ⟨ö⟩ to a colon (⟨Go:teborg⟩).
Should read:
The city council of A Coruña changed the placement of the tilde from over the ⟨n⟩ to over the initial ⟨c⟩ to create a logo,[10] in a way similar to what was done by the city of Göteborg that changed the umlaut of the ⟨ö⟩ to a colon (⟨Go:teborg⟩). Jonathanwc2h (talk) 18:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Have removed the paragraph, as it's of relatively minor importance and sort of tangential to Ñ. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2021 

message: The following indigenous languages of Vietnam use this letter for the palatal nasal: Rade, Jarai, Mnong, Koho. Aztec Warrior | talk | contribs 14:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indigenous languages of Vietnam 

message: it is mentioned in passing, but is ñ really used as slang/txt for "não"??  the tilde's not even on the same letter!
this is significant.  should be expanded on!!  are there other words like this?  i cannot think of even one.  it'd be like abbreviating "café" as "ć"! 2601:19C:527F:A680:FCD4:8C10:E58:4D3D (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  letter shift? 

message: Why is there a "Not to be confused with Tom Scott" thing on the top of the page? What does the letter Ñ have to do with Tom? 90.131.39.228 (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His Youtube username used to be "Enyay". Justin Kunimune (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Tom Scott?