Talk:Jordan Palmer (social activist)

message: I have removed the content about the Fischer incident due to no reliable sources. The only source I could find was the one previously used (). While it claims to be an article from what I would consider a reliable source (The Kentucky Post), the link is actually to another website that is re-publishing the news story. However, since I do not believe that this website (kentuckyfairness.org) is a reliable source, I do not think it can be used. If anyone can produce the article from a reliable source, or get another reliable source to support the content, then the requirement of reliable sources has been satisfied. -shirulashem(talk) 19:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fischer incident 

message: Since Mr. Palmer created this Wiki page to promote himself and his Kentucky Equality Federation, which he claims to be a tax deductible charitable organization (http://www.kentuckylgbt.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/1245020), any well document claims of past fraud or mismanagement are very relevant.  Wikipedia is full of well document claims of fraudulent activity by living people.
I say repost the temporarily removed evidence and let Mr. Palmer produce his evidence to the contrary.  The article does not need to make conclusions, let the reader decide.  As long as the sources meet Wikipedia guidelines, what can be more fair than that?
WikiExpert1977 (talk) 05:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance and Importance 

message: You stated "people creating Wikipedia pages for themselves so they can make claims that they were successful in business in effort to further future attempts to commit fraud," this clearly states YOU have a personal vendetta about this person and cannot edit objectively about him. 
Also, in your latest edit, you cited a report from portfolio.com, another blog created by users.  According to their terms and conditions : "You are responsible for ensuring that any material you provide to the Website or post on a bulletin board or forum or elsewhere, including but not limited to text, photographs and sound, does not violate the copyright, trademark, trade secret or any other personal or proprietary rights of any third party or is posted with the permission of the owner(s) of such rights." So this is yet another blog, which you no doubt created. Wikipedia is not a forum to wage personal wars. --Kentucky1333 (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued Vendetta 

message: A business in bad standing simply means they did not update their yearly officer information, this does not mean the business cannot get in good standing be filing the forms per the Kentucky Sec. of State's Office Website. Again, Wikipedia is not a forum to wage personal wars. --Kentucky1333 (talk) 04:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kentucky Secretary of State 

message: A Hotel or Motel Ivy existed in Georgetown, Walton, and Florence, KY. 
Proof: 
Proof: 
Proof: 
Thank you. I have better things to do on a Friday night that fight with you Jjjjess. You are on a vendetta and should address your problems directly with the person instead of using Wikipedia if you are a big enough person to do so. You are destroying Wikipedia. --Kentucky1333 (talk) 04:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hotel Ivy 

message: Despite Palmer stating that he was CEO of "several successful American companies" including Merus Holdings Corporation in 2008, the KY Secretary of State's records who that the KY SOS proactively dissolved the corporation in 2007.   Palmer's other company, Records Removal Service has an F rating with the Better Business Bureau.   The head of non-profit corporation's (which sometimes claim to be able to receive tax deductible donations, despite not being listed on the IRS's web site as a tax-deductible entity) and quasi-public figure are subject to fair criticism on Wikipedia when properly sourced.  
Jjjjess (talk) 05:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that portfolio and zoominfo aren't reliable sources. Synthesizing criticism from records and profiles is original research, and as this is a BLP it should go out of the article promptly. Do you have an actual reliable news source that reports questionable business practices by Palmer?—SpaceFlight89  05:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Here the headline was ==Questionable Business Ethics And Claims==. You changed it to "Claims of business success" in the later revisions but you still are making the same claims regarding business ethics indirectly by presenting data from various sources and "letting a reader draw their own conclusions"—the conclusions would ofcourse be negative towards Palmer. This claim is poorly sourced (archive of primary source is used) + No reliable sources have critisized Palmer for his business practices:gathering data from various sources and adding it with the intention to critisize would be synthesis. —SpaceFlight89  06:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: What is basically wrong with the edits is that you are trying to create criticism regarding his ethics and practices when no reliable sources have criticized him for that. Intentionally going through some defunct websites and online profiles, accumulating data and drawing some conclusion from it (or even letting the reader draw conclusion from it) is original research, as I said out above. Have any reliable sources ever questioned Palmer about his statements in 2008? I can't find one. —SpaceFlight89  11:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Evidence of Palmer's Spurious 2008 Claims 

message: This page has been protected due to multi-party edit warring. Please use this time to work together to hash out the content that's in dispute. Once consensus has been reached alert me or any admin (or file a unprotect request at WP:RFP). Nja247 08:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: All, as Nja247 noted above, the page had to be protected because of edit warring. Here are my suggestions to try to reach consensus if you want to make an edit while it's protected (which, of course, you're free to ignore):
*If you really think the edit will not be controversial, feel free to ask any administrator to make the edit for you.
*If there's likely to be a dispute, start a new section on this talk page by copying and pasting the following:
 == Proposed edit: few word description ==
 *Proposal: describe exactly what you want to change ~~~~
 *Discussion: wait for others to comment on your proposal here
*After you start the discussion, wait for other editors to contribute. If you aren't getting any comments after a few days, you might want to put a request for comment tag by copying and pasting the following right below your proposal's section heading (don't forget the ~~~~ at the end!): ~~~~
*All discussion participants, please be sure to follow talk page guidelines while participating in the discussion so that other editors can follow along. -shirulashem(talk) 18:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you, Luk, for looking into this. I suspect TallWildKat is also the same person, as all three seem to have the habit of writing their username after four tilde signature like "~~~~ <username>"  —SpaceFlight89  07:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In light of this I've unprotected the page, as the disruptive socks have been blocked. Nja247 11:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Yup. Some people don't realize that once they break a fundamental rule like sockpuppets during a content dispute, they blow their whole case. -shirulashem(talk) 16:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Discussions ... 

message: The Kentucky Attorney General isn't 'on' to anyone. I am growing increasing tired of this and your attempt to use Wikipedia to bring a public figure down. Also, are you talking about the same Attorney General who said he is "one tough mother b?___ at the Fancy Farm gathering?" Yes, very professional of him huh? The read the AG Summary and there is nothing there. Be advised that IP address can be traced if you slander or place liable information in Wikipedia or any place else on the internet. Rather than continue to allow you to try to tarnish this public figure I am going to take the liberty of trying to find an email address for him so he is aware of what is talking place here and take whatever action he deems appropriate. 
Also I did some research of my own and found this for you:
1. Records Removal Services My 2nd chance
2. Expungement Internet Company - Records Removal Service(s)
3. Internet Company - Records Removal Service(s)
4. Records Removal Services Texas Expungement
These are wonderful reviews SAME PERSON (see below) yet you neglect to mention them. This is why Wikipedia does not use blogs and user reviews in articles. 
Every company from the BBB, General Electric, General Motors, Toyota, etc. has criticism (my personal favorite is Rent-A-Center) and bad reports on them, so what. Wikipedia is not a forum for grudges. You are likely former client(s) who hate gay people, or worse still, gay yourself and on a personal vendetta, in all the time I have edited Wikipedia, I have never seem someone on a witch hunt like you are. --Kentucky1333 (talk) 16:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Kentucky Attorney General''' 

message: I knew Jjjjess and WikiExpert1977 had to be the same person on a smear campaign! THANK YOU for verifying this. This further proves my comments above. So basically on all the writing above this person has been talking to themselves? --Kentucky1333 (talk) 07:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same Person