Talk:John Mercer Brooke

message: (work here to be continued tomorrow Oct 17, 2006 inc. detailed explanation of Brooke's deep sea sounding device and how it works.) Unsigned comment by User:MAURY, reposted from article by BusterD 01:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to come 

message: Last eve I made substantial changes to the text of this article in order to repair numerous grammatical errors and bring the text in line with wiki conventions. This morning I discover that these changes have been reverted. I'll not get into an edit war here, but deletion of accurate sources is questionable behavior, especially when the unsourced text left behind is of such unfinished quality. I would urge the User:MAURY to recognize that this page doesn't belong to her/him, and to allow helpful edits intended to amplify editor MAURY's work. If I don't make these changes, some other editor or group of editors will soon do. That's not a threat, that's a statement of inevitability. BusterD 14:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad to give you room to develop the article in exactly the way you wish, but usually this works better on the user's sandbox instead of on the live article. This has been pointed out to you several times in your talk history, but you continue to violate guidelines even when cautioned. I'll add the appropriate construction tag to the article so other users will see the page is under active construction, and perhaps offer you similar leeway. BusterD 15:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of my changes 

message: :Be polite 
:Assume good faith 
:No personal attacks 
:Don't bite the newcomers! 
'Nuff said in the opinion of this newcomer
MAURY 16:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *To be clear here: everyone has been polite, I at least have assumed good faith, have made no personal attacks, and as for you being a newcomer, you've got almost 600 edits over the last nine months so you no longer qualify, yet nobody has bitten you. As a non-newcomer, a user has certain responsibilities, like understanding a small something about rules and guidelines set up to avoid these kinds of unnecesary discussions. To say "nobody told me" is a pretty weak argument, and factually incorrect, because users have been telling you this on your talk pages from the beginning. The original "welcome" message posted on your talk page several times by several well-meaning users was intended to provide links to exactly the information and guidelines you claim about which not to know. One problem is that you continually blank your talk page, instead of moving talk to archive, as several users have suggested on your talkpage. If you need help setting this up, I'd be glad to assist. Please feel free to enter the wider wiki world, and please don't consider this feedback as "biting." BusterD 17:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: *Yet you incorrectly posted this comment on the article page, and several previous editors have pointed this sort of error out in a helpful and friendly way. I moved the comment to the correct location, provided the appropriate signature, and notified you of your error, cautioning you of your responsibilities as a long-time user (the newbie guides are not a shield for willful ignorance, when you ignore multiple warnings, you can hardly claim ignorance as a newbie). Further, now that we've had this conversation, you can hardly cry "newbie" when the next editor gives a similar warning. BusterD 11:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk page guidelines

message: If this were not on your talk page, you would have a case, but since you were warned by the very first person who placed a "welcome" message on your talk page, it appears that your memory for these things isn't as good as the pedia's. With this in mind, I would appreciate it if you would read policy more, and quote it less. BusterD 14:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: Last eve I made substantial changes to the text of this article in order to repair numerous grammatical errors and bring the text in line with wiki conventions. 
*[It was obvious that article was not finished if only by my statement that I would come back to complete it the next day. It seemes to me someone elsewhere would have a completed military article you could have worked on and in seeing my statement of coming back left the work as it was. Looking at the date and time it is once againb obvious the article had just started and would be completed.-Maury]
This morning I discover that these changes have been reverted. 
*[Naturally it was reverted. I had just begun on that article and you were changing it -- whoever you are. I felt I had the right to revert back to what I was working on until I was finished with it. You also cited "Sources" whereas I had not given my sources. You included one area on a USNavy area that I have never seen so I removed it since it was wrong in stating it was one of my sources. Remember, I don't know who you are or what you were up to. It could be a form of vandalism as far as I knew. In any case, that source you cited was not any source I had ever seen. Let me cite my own sources before you place some there as though I were the person who cited a source that to me was a lie.-Maury]
I'll not get into an edit war here, but deletion of accurate sources is questionable behavior,
*[I had cited no sources. You placed ==Sources== in that article and added sources. You had no idea where my sources were coming from and if you will look back you will see what I placed as the true sources. In doing what you did with ==Sources== I deemed it not only to be false but also obviously unethical. Again, I viewed it as vandalism and rightly so when a stranger to me adds sources I had not used.-Maury]
especially when the unsourced text left behind is of such unfinished quality. I would urge the User:MAURY to recognize that this page doesn't belong to her/him, and to allow helpful edits intended to amplify editor MAURY's work. If I don't make these changes, some other editor or group of editors will soon do. That's not a threat, that's a statement of inevitability. BusterD 14:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think my actions stand for themselves. I think your actions likewise stand for themselves. 
*[I agree and that is why I reverted my work back to the direction I wanted to go in order to finish the article and add long forgotten history, unique history of Brooke's Sounding and Core Sampling device which led to the laying of the trans-Atlantic cable. You may edit the completed work now. We all must work together to build while breaking through our individual misconceptions and mistakes without holding onto any grudges which _I never do_. That only harms the person holding onto any grudge. You did what you believe is right just as I have done while knowing nothing about you. Yes, it seemed like vandalism when I saw my work changed after I left a note of explanation.]
MAURY 13:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of my changes 

message: This article seems to have stopped short of the Civil War and ended in a state of limbo.  (The secion there now about a movie is roundabout in presentation and non-encylopedic in tone.)  Brooke's major contributions and insights to the CSN's naval ordnance and ironclad programs would be the natural focal points for the section. Red Harvest (talk) 05:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Much more needed to complete this article

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