Talk:Kayan people (Myanmar)

message: I think this article needs some more citations, because it overturns some popular beliefs about these women and their neck rings. I've always believed that they do lengthen the neck, which seems plausible through stretching of the discs/connective tissue, and I've also heard on numerous occasions that a woman would die if her neck were very elongated and the rings were removed. Of course, I don't have citations either, so I'll defer to the writer since he/she seems knowledgeable on the subject. 208.22.45.148 20:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks  

message: A French link: http://www.djparadisetour.com/MaeHongSon/fsecret.html   --84.171.89.162 (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new link? 

message: This is the single worst Wikipedia article I've ever read!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.87.39 (talk) 07:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow! 

message: Just came across this article checking out something for my daughter and was interested to note that it refers to Kayan as a tribe - this conflicts with http://www.hottnez.com/giraffe-women-secret-of-neck-rings/ which suggests Karen and Paudung are tribes but Kayan a religion observed by females in those tribes.  This area is not a speciality of mine but FWIW thought I would add this into the melting pot. DaveK@BTC (talk) 12:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribe or religion 

message: I moved this page back to Kayan, after it had been moved to Long Neck Karen by user Haabet for the bizarre reason that "Kayan is not English". If there is some rule on wikipedia that says all page titles must be in English, then I have never seen it. Furthermore, I find the title "Long Necked Karen" rather insensitive. I respectfully request that if Haabet or anyone else sees a reason to move the page again then they bring it up on this talk page first. Zainker (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving back to Long-Neck Karen 

message: *This information has been added in consultation with the Kayan people and NGO workers with extensive knowledge of Kayans' experience and primary documents.
*Why you should refer to the Kayan as Kayan only
*Different groups acknowledged
*Citation added for rings physical effects
*Current events added 
*Information about Kayan religious practices added  
John Blundell (talk) 07:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions January 2009

message: The X-Ray cited as showing how the ribs and clavicle are deformed over time by the neck rings would appear to be a photoshop job. Unless the subject had a letter "R" continually floating over her shoulder?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.93.239 (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's standard practice to put a metal "R" (or "L") near the subject being X-rayed so that later you can tell the right (or left) side of the developed image, because there's no way to tell front/back. It's not photo-shopped. Boneyard90 (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The X-Ray

message: I've been confused by the grouping and names of the Karen tribes. Is the following anthropological grouping (my best attempt at understanding) correct? Are there scholarly sources supporting alternate views?
*The top level grouping is Karen people (also Kayin [rare alternate spelling: Kayen?]) (of Kayin State).
*Red Karen (also Karenni [rare alternate spelling: Kayenni])  is a subgroup of Karen. 
*Kayah (of Kayah State, new name for Karenni State) is a subgroup of Red Karen.
*Kayan (Burma) [rare alternate spelling: Kayun]) is another subgroup of Red Karen. 
*Padaung (also Kayan Lahwi) (women with neck coil) is a subgroup of Kayan.
::(In official Burmase ethnic classification, Kayin and Kayah are two distinct groups.)
I've deleted an unsourced edit (equating Karen, Kayan and Padaung) that introduced confusion.--Palaeoviatalk 11:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing names, in need of expert advice

message: I deleted the following meaningless or ambiguous text: 
:Padaung is English and scientific name for the same tribes and their language. But by a starting point in densely populated, in low leveled in Shan states. Opposite the political name "Kayan", which come from the little Kayan Lahwi tribe, who living in hilly parts of Kayah state, on the border to Thailand.
It may be restored after its meaning is clarified, sourced and rephrased in correct English.--Palaeoviatalk 23:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaningless text deleted 

message: Kayan = Padaung. Kayan is Padaung in Burman and English, but originally is word "Kayan" is Karén in Padaung. Kayan/Padaung. Kayaw/Bré in the same way "Kayaw" is Karén in Bré.Haabet 00:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I could be off, but I think he's saying Kayan is the Padaung word for the Karen people, not these people.  Though I don't speak Padaung, I know that's not right: the word for Karen is Kayin, not Kayan.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  (話して下さい) 13:53, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kayan=Padaung

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