Talk:Red Skull

message: The live-action movie summary makes NO SENSE. Well, it makes some but is convoluted.
(I think that might more be a problem with the movie's script itself, as opposed to the entry)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.24.94 (talk) 08:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Live action movie

message: *Is Colonel Abdul Al-Rahman, The Ultimate Red Skull ?
**Their only similarity at all is that they are supervillain enemies of Captain America.   I mean, maybe I could see it if...you know...the colonel had a skull which was red ;) Vignettelante 05:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonel Abdul Al-Rahman. The Ultimate Red Skull ? 

message: I removed this line: "However, while the English name sounds rather menacing, the German name does not." from the trivia section. That's really an opinion. I would think that a German speaker would find the German name just as menacing, and that line doesn't add anything useful to the entry anyway. 147.240.236.9 17:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed opinion line from trivia... 

message: The Gentleman was an original character created for the Spiderman novels "Revenge of the Sinister Six" and "Secret of the Sinister Six".  And Marvel doesn't consider the novels canon.  So I don't think it should be here?  99.245.168.32 16:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Gentleman"

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message: I've noticed Wiki discourages Trivia, so any thoughts on moving the game and Ultimates info into Other media and dropping the German name? Possibly the Ultimates note could be given its own small section at the end of the main bio, although I'm still unclear as to EXACTLY what constitutes "Other" media, seeing how Ultimates is still part of the Marvel Universe... I'll give it a day or two for input before making any changes.Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condensing sections 

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message: Is "Dell Rusk" truly a reference to Dean Rusk or merely a great coincidence? I can't find any citation that Johns intended this as a reference. Only a few instances are found online where anyone made the connection if it truly was intended.
By definition, DEAN Rusk is NOT an anagram of Red Skull, (but DELL Rusk is). You cannot rearrange DEAN Rusk in any way for it to become RED SKULL. So either delete all references to anagrame altogether (if the wiki community decides that there is not enough reference to support this) or at least keep the correct anagram, the DELL one - not the DEAN one. By the way, in another wiki page, on the biography of the actual DEAN Rusk - the 1960s US Secretary of State, there was a claim under "In popular culture" that he (or his name) inspires the name Red Skull in the comic. So if the anagram thoery is consdiered not sufficiently validated here, the biography of the historical Dean Rusk should be revised as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.253.11.18 (talk) 07:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dean Rusk

message: I really believe the first appearance of the Schmidt Red Skull is YOUNG ALLIES COMICS #1 not CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS # 7. YAC#1 was published in summer of 1941, while CAC#7 was published in October of 1941.Giantdevilfish (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The 1st appearance of Schmidt

message: -nomination/merge - the information on Albert Malik is a virtual reduplication of that already on the Red Skull page, which is fairly clear and consise, as is.  Malik's signicance and notabilty dimishes without the greater context of the Red Skull to surround him. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge Malik is a different character than the article being merged into, but he could just be added as just a footnote because as 66.109.248.114 said most of the information is duplicated. Normally I oppose merging characters that bear little relationship to each other, but I support this merge to get rid of the stub that is Malik's article. There's no way to expand the stub into a full article, so just merge it. -Freak104 (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge The communist Red Skull is as notable as the the Fred Davis Bucky and he doesn't have his own article, separate from the Bucky article. Stephen Day (talk) 23:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion closed with consensus to merge. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[Red Skull (Albert Malik)]]

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message: According to The Steranko History of Comics Jack Kirby's friend, Ed Herron wrote a few Captain America stories, and he created the Red Skull. (The Steranko History of Comics, p. 53) Vegas Bleeds Neon (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created by 

message: You cannot twist the spelling of "Dean Rusk" in anyway to spell "Red Skull". So it is not an anagram of one another. Furthermore, if it is not sifficiently validated, it should be deleted, out of respect of the actual late Secretary of State Dean Rusk and his family, who probably would not be very pleased with having their relative cited as the inspiration of a comic book villain. I notice that similar entry about Dean Rusk and Red Skull in another wiki webpage on the real Dean Rusk's biographaphy has also been deled. 182.253.11.18 (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEAN Rusk cannot be an anagram of RED SKULL 

message: Since the majority of the article is about the Schmidt character, and the minor characters Maxon and Malik are summarized in small paragraphs in the "Other Red Skulls" section, shouldn't the lead and infobox focus on only the Schmidt character? -Fandraltastic (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and clean it up accordingly when I get some time in the next day or so, since there don't seem to be any objections. -Fandraltastic (talk) 02:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's format 

message: The article is clearly about the Schmidt character rather than any of the lesser Red Skulls, including the first one, but should this distinction be clarified in the lede? The statement "The Red Skull [...] first appeared in Captain America Comics #7" is, in one sense, inaccurate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention "Johann Schmidt" in the lede? 

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message: Seems a bizzare question but.. when exactly was first mentioned the real name of the Red Skull? 
In comics books of '40 ,AFAIK, the only real name mentioned is "George Maxon".. (the '50 we know are fake Skull, so unimportant).. the classic Tales of Suspense#65-66, (May, 1965) shows the history of Red Skull (but without names)...
(AFAIK) the first run that explains details and names are the comic books about Mother Superior, the daughter of Red Skull .. aka Captain America #298-300 (1984).. where is revealed that Red Skull is Johann Shmidt.
Some following "official" books, as OHOTMU of 1987 (and 1989 and more), filed "red skull" as Johann Shmidt ...
Ironically even some of the references mentioned in this page, actually show Shmidt instead of Schmidt ... like marvel.com and marvunapp.com.
A good reading about the "identity problem" of red skull (and cap) is http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/rskul2.htm.
For some reason (that i don't know, and i'd LIKE to know) the "Schmidt" variant was became famous.. since the comic book "Red Skull: Incarnate" (of Pak, 2011) uses Johann Schmidt, instead.
There is some run that predates Cap#298-300 that reveals Schmidt as real name? --Spiderscai (talk) 23:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Johann "Schmidt" and not "Shmidt" ? 

message: I'm not touching it anymore since we have a youngin who reverts all edits and thinks he is "Keeper of the skull."  Captain America #7 was not a notable Red Skull appearance and no explanation is made for his return in the issue.  Where this information is should be cited.  Johan Schmidt it not mentioned in this issue of Captain America, as I own the masterworks copy.  Whoever has plastered this all over the article has not cited it.  If we are talking about Captain America Tales of Suspense 65, Red Skull claims he was merely posing as George Maxon.  The facts in this article aren't correct. Rickyar (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The main story in Captain America #7 (October 1941) was called  "The Red Skull; An Ear for Music"... Argento Surfer (talk) 15:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you remove the fact tag?  You have a dubious claim with no sourced information?  Then you are saying I confused stories or comics which I clearly did not.  Please read what I wrote.  Captain America #7 from 1941 contains no mention of Johann Schmidt, yet you remove the fact tag and haven't sourced it again from that claim.  Your edit has been undone. Rickyar (talk) 17:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the fact tag because you put it after the sentence saying Skull appeared in the issue. Did you mean to put it after the claim that he was later identified as Schmitt? I've added a source for that. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing to indicate that was a new Red Skull in the story!  There is no explanation given in the story as to why he is back.  He even alludes in the story it is the same Red Skull saying, "I'm like a bad penny."  Where this information that Johann Schmidt appears in #7 must have some basis in fact. My point is, this is about publication history, not fictional biography.  Your sourced information does not explain any of this and reads like in story fiction.  I want to read about retroactive continuity in the silver age re introduced the red skull as Johann Schmidt.  George Maxon was always the red skull in the Golden Age.  Retroactive continuity brought him back in the silver age as someone new.  That's why most of this article is sorely lacking!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickyar (talk • contribs) 18:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking for. Are you wanting to know which comics clarified that it was Schmidt in #7? Argento Surfer (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Correct.  Please cite the issue Johann Schmidt was first introduced in the Golden age of comics.  My recollection is is was retroactive continuity.  If Schmidt's name appears then great, as a collector I would love to go find that issue.  It sure does NOT appear in in Cap #7.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickyar (talk • contribs) 18:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is retroactive. That's why the article says "In later comics this Red Skull is identified as the Nazi Johann Schmidt". One of these two links might be able to answer your question. Argento Surfer (talk) 19:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Retroactive of course!  Not until Cap 300 was this all revealed.  You don't think this is notable enough to make clear?  George Maxon was always the Red Skull in the golden age of comics, yet an encyclopedic entry makes no mention of this?  Instead we point to fictional retroactive continuity in the publication history?  You haven't improved this article, just further muddied the water between real, and in story. Rickyar (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "in later comics" makes it clear. If you want to make that more specific, go ahead. Argento Surfer (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: To be totally clear: "A new version of the Red Skull was introduced in Captain America #7 (October 1941), claiming that George Maxon was a pawn posing as the Red Skull. " never happens in Captain America #7 from 1941. That statement is a pure fabrication.  Apologies if you spend thousands of dollars for a copy of this issue to be sorely disappointed.   I think it might happen in Cap # 297 or 298, but until I have a copy in hand. I'm not touching it. Rickyar (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Bravo for the fix.  I'm working on a new publication history in mysandbox from all the primary source I've been collecting for the past 4 weeks.  The hot fudge comment is interesting and when properly sourced would be fine for the creation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:A80:9480:55CF:59CC:F830:8547 (talk) 12:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As of now my research is Marvel backtracked from Cap 298 and has established in their continuity that it was only one Red Skull all along.  Again earlier version of this article from 2006 have all of this.  Not sure why this article has gone so long being so inaccurate to skulls publication history. Rickyar (talk) 12:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  "As of now my research" is bit funny... there is somehow detailed post exactly before this thread , dated 2018, that speak about "names of red skull"... it's unclear why none have commented that, and instead restarted a 'search'.. most stuff are known for ages.. the only weirdness is "why is (magically) become Schmidt" instead of "Shmidt" as the primary sources clearly show ?   The 'mess', instead, is a different problem... and isn't rare in Marvel (or even comicbooks) characters .. it's about " in-universe/fictional history+chronology " and " Publication/editorial history+chronology ". The 1st is fluid and change per retcon and so.. the 2nd is static (and damn important)... sadly  most people has problems to catch that point ... some hints are in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Comics ...  87.19.41.121 (talk) 11:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: This page is a mess

message: Shouldn't the name be Schmidt? 2409:4060:2EC3:EE0F:792B:2BBF:96B4:E76A (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmidt?