Talk:Majdanek concentration camp

message: The number of victims I have put in comes from the page:
http://majdanek.pl/en/oboz.htm
It is the official website of the Majdanek State Museum, so I think
the numbers are reliable and up to date.
One can also consult
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x15/xm1554.html
which contains the entry from Encyclopedia of the Holocaust published in 1990.  
Balcer 07:10, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of victims: source 

message: This is mostly for Phaedriel. New data necessitates new revisions. The new data is Tomasz Kranz's research. The source (Kranz's article) is listed. I will also add this article to the sources:
http://en.auschwitz.org/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=8
If you have any objections - make your own changes, don't revert. --84.167.24.211 22:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death toll 

message: I came to this page from the Zyklon B  page which features a picture on the right of a Soviet soldier supposedly posing above the ceiling vent of a Majdanek gas chamber, yet this article makes no mention of a gas chamber in Majdanek or execution by gassing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.177.79 (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gas Chambers 

message: It looks like a huge structure, I think there should be an article. --HanzoHattori 16:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is massive, and interesting. Hope we can get a picture. It doesn't deserve its own article though. 131.94.169.118 04:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a photo of the memorial to the gallery. Signalhead 19:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorial 

message: I've got a ton of pictures from my trip to Majdanek. Do we need any more?
::I think it's worth putting in a picture of the soviet memorial there, or the camp and the memorial in one frame. I know some of my friends have this picture, I'll see if they'll release it under a free license.131.94.169.118 04:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the place itself, the furnaces are not labeled as being replicas, as they are at the one gas chamber at Auschwitz-I. I assume that means they are real, although some scholarly confirmation would be nice.131.94.169.118 04:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The wooden walls of the building were burnt down but the furnaces themselves were not destroyed. There are photos on the Internet showing the building in this condition. The building was subsequently rebuilt. Signalhead 23:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Refreshing to see an encyclopedia article almost devoid of citations - 2 at the very end. Any further info on the death march and those left behind - there appears to have been little effort to "cover their tracks" but also almost no evidence - at least what I have been able to find ( help )- of much beyond a work camp. Any forensic work? etc
If you want some documentation - maybe??? - look up Jolanta Gajowniczek ( a Polish historian). It appears the health conditions were falling to pieces there. TB patients had been shipped there, typhus was spreading, dysentary, ... A hospital was built, doctors were reasigned from other camps, the Red Cross vaccinated for typhus, .... 159.105.80.141 (talk) 18:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: The article doesn't inform about the reusage of the camp as a POV camp and a camp for Polish underground soldiers deported to Soviet Union http://dzieje.pl/?q=node/4374, http://www.majdanek.pl/articles.php?acid=45&mref=1&lng=1.Xx236 (talk) 12:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet camp(s) 

message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class review 

message: I removed it because the template did not exist, and it was standing alone on the page.
-Le Badger  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Incredulousbadger (talk • contribs) 19:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Camp Template 

message: The CO bottles pictured on the page are actually CO2. See 30:47 of this film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs&feature=youtu.be&t=30m47s  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.136.108 (talk) 04:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay mister, you have a point. I can also see the "2" in the zoomed version of the cylinder pic on the wiki article page. I hope someone more knowledgeable person clears this up. Perhaps there is evidence the Nazis bottled CO in CO2 canisters?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:502:3D80:71E4:75DE:11A9:E465 (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

text: That's fine then. As long as they're only what is presented as fact to the rubes who visit this theme park. 203.109.212.103 (talk) 11:49, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Carbon monoxide" bottles 

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message: "The Soviets initially grossly overestimated the number of deaths, claiming at the Nuremberg Trials in July 1944..." 
That is impossible. The Nuremberg Trials didn't happen until after the war, in 1946-47 according to the Wiki article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CA10:18A0:0:0:0:6D6 (talk) 03:55, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  impossible dates for Nuremberg Trial 

message: Recent historians have concluded that Majdanek was not used as an extermination camp: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/killing-centers-an-overview. Note the paragraph titled "Majdanek." I recommend editing this page in light of this. Mdrewcaffin (talk) 03:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2020 

message: change "Lublin" to "Konzentrationslager Lublin, Vernichtungslager Lublin, Kriegsgefangenenlager Maydanek, KL Majdanek" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alycja (talk • contribs) 21:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The word "Lublin" is used multiple times in this article. Please be more explicit as to where in the article you want to make the substitution(s). Thank you very much for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 05:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 January 2021 

message: " claiming at the Nuremberg Trials in July 1944 that there were no fewer than 400,000 Jewish victims"
error on '1944' ... should be 1945/1946
TGcoa (talk) 22:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unclear to me whether it should be "at the Nuremburg Trials in 1946" (since that's the date of the transcript, though the figure in the transcript is a quote) or "in July 1944" (as that's when the camp was captured, and that's what was initially stated in the article). (relevant diff, courtesy ping ). (Note: I'm marking the edit request as answered for now as it is under discussion). — LauritzT (talk) 07:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 September 2021 

message: I think it would be worth mentioning and linking to the Wiki page for the Majdanek State Museum in the lead section, maybe in its last one or two sentences. We currently have mentions deep into the body but it seems like pertinent info to put up top  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetstache (talk • contribs) 05:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Just got extended-confirmed access and performed the edit myself. No comments for nearly a month, doesn't appear to be a controversial addition. Sweetstache (talk) 22:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2021 

message: In this article, I have found inaccuracies pertaining to the use of gas chambers at Majdanek. The most reliable information comes from the Majdanek Museum and its director, Tomasz Kranz. I have requested permission to edit the page, but it is fine if someone else wishes to do so. All relevant sources are linked below.
“It had seven gas chambers” – Should be changed to read “three gas chambers.” The figure cited in the Britannica article is now regarded as outdated by historians. According to current historiography, three homicidal gas chambers were installed in the brick building behind barrack 41 (in two of these, hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide were proven to be in regular use). The identification of the remaining four rooms as gas chambers by the Soviet Commission was made on highly spurious grounds. 
“Executions were carried out in barrack 41 with the use of crystalline hydrogen cyanide released by the Zyklon B” - The following information should also be included. Two of the gas chambers were equipped with pipes, through which bottled carbon monoxide was released. Additionally, Zyklon B crystals were poured through a roof opening in the smaller chamber. In the opinion of the Dusseldorf Court, the chemical could have also been introduced into the larger chamber though its hot air installation. Some historians believe that the undressing room in barrack 41 was also used for limited Zyklon killings. However, the Museum points out that the chamber’s inward opening doors and adjoining rooms would tend to complicate such operations. For arguments in favour of this room’s homicidal function, consult the work of Pressac and Chocholatý.
“The same poison gas pellets were used to disinfect prisoner clothing in barrack 42” – It should be added that the disinfection of clothing also took place inside barrack 41.
“Majdanek was refurbished as a killing center around March 1942” – Should be changed to read that this decision was made around July 1942 - with three gas chambers having been constructed by October 1942. 
“The gassing was performed in plain view of other inmates, without as much as a fence around the buildings” – It should be added that only inmates in the immediate vicinity of the bath barracks were in a position to see the gassings.
Further reading:
Gas Chambers at Majdanek: https://www.majdanek.eu/en/pow/gas_chambers_at_majdanek/57
The Role of Majdanek in “Aktion Reinhardt”: https://www.majdanek.eu/en/pow/the_role_of_majdanek_in____aktion_reinhardt/63
Extract from the Dusseldorf Trial judgement (30 June 1981): https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24902&start=1200
Jean-Claude Pressac (12 December 1988): https://phdn.org/negation/pressac-leuchter.html. Note: Some of his conclusions regarding Zyklon B usage are limited by his lack of access to good primary sources. 
Michal Chocholatý (2012): https://dspace.cuni.cz/bitstream/handle/20.500.11956/43117/BPTX_2010_2__0_288159_0_108365.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Michal Chocholatý (2017): https://dspace.cuni.cz/bitstream/handle/20.500.11956/97344/1520464_michal_chocholaty_32-54.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
--IncongruousScholar (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Izno (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I linked two articles from the camp museum, three scholarly papers, and a section from a judicial judgement. In my opinion, these are all reliable sources. IncongruousScholar (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is that you need to provide inline citations for the potentially contentious claims you make. For example, when you say that the notion it had seven gas chambers is "considered outdated", you need to provide a specific source for that specific claim. A list of general sources at the end is useful, but it does not really allow anyone to verify the claims made per WP:V. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracies Regarding the Killing Process 

message: SONSERINAMaior (talk) 22:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2021 

message: *Ilja Szrajbman (1907–1943), Polish Olympic freestyle swimmer
2603:7000:2143:8500:219C:CBA9:A16:EFFA (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add as a notable inmate 

message: self explanatory 174.29.69.68 (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buried Prayers documentary link Ref 40 corrupted 

message: ...the crematoria capacitu.
[capacitu] instead of capacity Refael Ackermann (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in the 4th paragraph in the "Victims" section