Talk:Richard Reid

message: Deletion of Religious conversion and terrorism is proposed.
For discussion see: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Religious_conversion_and_terrorism
--ISKapoor 22:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed deletion of related article

message: I find this rather confusing:
He was sentenced to life imprisonment on each of the three charges, 20 years imprisonment on four other charges, and 30 years on four other counts, to be served consecutively, followed by five years of supervised release.
When is this "supervised release" supposed to take place? Are they expecting him to die and be reincarnated three times, and then live to the age of 200? -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 17:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's partially bureaucratic, but it's in part so even if one sentence gets overturned or reduced, the others are still there.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's partly to make sure he will not be paroled in the foreseeable future, even if he behaves perfectly in jail. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of sentence 

message: To conform with naming conventions, i.e., use the name person is known by most commonly and then use a disambiguator in parentheses if necessary, shouldn't this page be renamed Richard Reid (shoe bomber) or Richard Reid (terrorist)? I've never heard him referred to by his full name, except in court documents, of course Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of page

message: The name "Richard Reid" is English, but the names he used, Tariq Raja and Abdel Rahim, which redirect here, are Arabic names.
:They are aliases and we don't know if they were ever written in Arabic. This guy is British-born so he may not even know Arabic. Mirror Vax 01:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you guys need 'em - Tariq Raja (طارق راجا), Abdel Rahim (عبدالرحیم) Mustaqbal 09:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other names

message: I've stuck in a link to a short local newspaper article which has a bit more about Reid's background. J.nicholls 16:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Background 

message: In case anyone has any doubts about the title of this article one only need to read what the very judge at Reid's trial called him. Netscott 14:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally see Terrorism#Key_criteria. Netscott 15:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So lots of other people have said he is a freedom fighter. Just because the US court system is hypocritical doesn't mean Wikipedia has to agree. Of course as the US prevents, what others see as it's terrorists, going before courts and having judges say anything about them.--87.75.130.187 21:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The povs of people are irrelevent in naming.  He is well known as being the Shoe Bomber, and it makes sense that that is the name, rather the POV term "Terrorist" or "Freedom Fighter" or even "Jihadist".--Irishpunktom\talk 10:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Terrorist" is not a POV term, any more than "murderer" or "rapist". At least not when applied properly, as in this case. Mirror Vax 10:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Reid, terrorist 

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thread_title:  Page move-protected 

message: "He was sentenced to life imprisonment on each of the 3 charges, 20 years imprisonment on 4 other charges, and 30 years on 4 other counts, to be served consecutively, followed by five years of supervised release."
So...he's 29 when he attempts to blow up the plane. 29+life (30 years?)+20+30=he'll be about 100 when he comes out for the supervised bit? Am I misreading this?
: Yes. He's serving three life sentences; after he dies three times, then he can serve the 50 years (or  200 years?).--Prosfilaes 02:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its the very same as when a murderer with 3 victims is sentenced to three consecutive life sentences.  If he appeals two of those convictions and they are overturned, then he's obviously still in jail for life.  If Reid were to challenge in a court of appeals the 3 charges that he's got life in prison for, and were to win those appeals, then he'd still served the time on the other counts.  Prosecutors and judges do this so that there will be no question that the guilty party will serve the rest of his life in jail, no matter how many appeals he's able to win, unless of course he wins all of them. Batman2005 21:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consecutively? really? 

message: How is the following statement relevant or even interesting?
He visited Israel in June 2001; onboard the El-Al flight to Tel Aviv he was seated close to an armed air-marshall.
--Storkk 18:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: whoops... didnt see someone else had already questioned it. No replies to previous question, so I'll remove the statement --Storkk 18:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of statement

message: Associated Press reports that Federal investigators are seeking to question Richard Reid for important information about terrorism plots. Notably, they want to question him without the presence of his federal public defender. The federal government says that he is not entitled to an attorney as his federal case is over. The federal judge in Boston wants the case transferred to Colorado where he is serving an immense amount of prison time. Associated Press reporter is Denise Lavoie.claimman75 01:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feds seek to question Reid anew 

message: The new name is bad. This is a person who is widely known as shoe bomber. That is what people search for when they seek this information. It should be renamed back. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, he's actually the shoenabomber. :-p Tomertalk 08:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: I noticed that there was no mention of how after his attempt, airline passengers had to remove shoes at security. I added that. See "U.S. asks air passengers to remove shoes" from USA Today, 07/11/2003 and "No small feat, tightening up shoe inspections" from San Francisco Chronicle, July 12 2003. Edison (talk) 16:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shoe removal at airline security

message: I removed this His crime led to the new requirement of American, and subsequently many other countries' airline passengers having to remove their shoes for inspection before boarding a flight or entering an airline terminal.
I fly a lot and have never had to remove my shoes anywhere but in the US. I admit I have not flown everywhere, but I suspect it is a requirement in the USA only. Anyone have a cite? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 05:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Shoe removal outside the US

message: The article says that Reid was sentenced on January 31, 2003. citing this NY Times article with that publication date which says that he "... was sentenced today to life in prison." However, I see that many other sources report the sentencing date as January 30 -- including this 31 January CNN transcript of the sentencing which says, "The following is a partial transcript of Thursday's court hearing in which Richard Reid was sentenced ...". According to this calendar, 30 January 2003 was a Thursday. Perhaps that NY Times story was published the day after it was written (??). Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentencing date 

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message: That implies that when the flight crew decided to make an unscheduled landing, an airport in another country (Canada, obviously) was closer. If the closest airport indeed was in Canada, why did the plane land in Boston instead? If Logan International Airport was the closest, bar none, then it's misleading to say it was the closest airport in the United States. —⁠71.105.198.152 (talk) 00:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[T]he closest airport in the United States" 

message: At the beginning it is stated that Reid's mother was "of native English descent" and that his father was 'man of mixed race whose father was a Jamaican immigrant". What kind of relevance has that? Obviously, both his parents were British, and that's the only thing that counts. "English" is an ambiguous term, is it supposed to mean "white"? And what's the relevance of the fact that Reid's grandfather had immigrated from Jamaica and that his father therefore was of "mixed race"? I propose to delete this information. --Bernardoni (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: English means someone born in the country of England. "British" refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland, which is not necessarily the same as English (he could have been Irish or a Scot).  There is nothing ambiguous about "English" whatsoever. The article is being informative.  Live with it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.206.38 (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background