Talk:Budd Rail Diesel Car

message: I think that RDC should got to the disambig page rather than here, since this doesn't seem to be the most common usage.  I was looking for Remote Desktop Connection. Spalding 16:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't have a strong opinion on this suggestion.  Looking at Whatlinkshere/RDC, there are currently five incoming links, two of them from acronym pages, the others using the meaning from this page.  But, a quick Google shows several other meanings and does not include any mention of the Budd cars on the first page of results (which is not too surprising considering that the Budd cars aren't being made any more and are only used in excursion and tourist line service any more).  So I'd say, sure, make the change. Slambo (Speak) 14:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect destination 

message: I know these carry NYS&W livery, but are they the actual units the NYS&W used or are they just restored to look like them?
Kether83 10:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Syracuse RDCs

message: I thought that a true diesel-hydraulic had hydraulic motors driving the wheels. Don't RDCs have a diesel-mechanical drive incorporating a hydraulic torque converter coupling the prime mover to the drive train? 75.82.208.152 08:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both types are diesel-hydraulic.  If it uses hydraulic motors it has hydrostatic transmission.  If it uses a torque converter it has hydrokinetic transmission. Biscuittin (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Diesel Hydraulic?

message: This article currently says "The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. [...]", yet many MBTA commuter rail branches have timetables that list an "f" next to the time, and I believe context implies that the f stands for flag stop.  JNW2 09:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag stops

message: I think some clarification is in order, too;  Is Budd the only manufacturer that the RDC acronym applies to, or is it a label that applies to a broader class of vehicles (basically, any diesel-powered railcar?)  Worldwide, there are numerous examples of these kinds of vehicles, few of which may have been made by Budd. (void*) (talk) 14:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  *Budd* RDC 

message: The SPV-2000 currently redirects here, where it is covered by a single, short paragraph. But it really is a different model sharing as much, if not more, in common with the Amfleet and Budd Metroliner development that with the RDC. Indeed, except for both being DMUs, and both being built by Budd, the RDC line and the SPV have almost nothing in common. I believe the SPV should be split out to it's own article. While it would be stubby at first, it could easily be grown in size, something that will not happen if the model is relegated to a footnote in this article. oknazevad (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPV split-out? 

message: Crouse gives 404, but this includes the six cars which comprised the Roger Williams. I suspect that's where the 398 figure comes from. I'm hoping to consult Duke soon to see what number he gives. Incidentally, if you add up the table quantities right now it comes to 409. I haven't reviewed yet to see where the discrepancy is. Mackensen (talk) 03:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total production 

message: In several places, diesel multiple unit is linked. However it's also described as a "two car" set.
If this RDC has one, or two, cars then it's a railcar but it's not a DMU. Many railcars have been arranged like this, from the pre-war German railcars onwards.
Only if it's arranged with some standardised means of control, so that an arbitrary number of powered cars can be coupled and controlled by a single driver, is it a multiple unit.
Can anyone clear this up for the RDC? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's very much a DMU. Though later it was common for single cars to run (as they were always capable of) in areas like Philadelphia, throughout their lives, including to today, multicar trains were common. See the old Boston&Maine commuter operations (the predecessor to the MBTA's modern North Station operations) or even Trinity Railway Express in the Dallas–Fort Worth area, which still use RDCs (in multicar sets) for midday trains. The RDC is very much a DMU, and is oft times held up as the quintessential example of the DMU concept. oknazevad (talk) 00:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks  Andy Dingley (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railcar or DMU? 

message: I don't think the Roger Williams belongs in this article. It's not a standard RDC. It's not included in any of the counts of RDCs (398 being the accepted figure). Our article Roger Williams (train) (which I haven't edited) says it was "based on" the RDC. I don't see this as any different from the Budd SPV-2000 or the New South Wales 1100 class railcar, and I'd prefer to keep the scope of the article narrow. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a three line blurb that helps connect the articles and informs the reader as to the evolution of the design.  The SPV2000 should also be mentioned along with the New South Wales 1100, I just hadn't noticed they had been removed.  The RDC is the parent/family and the main article should refer to the children.  See Silverliner and Budd Silverliner.  Also the page on the Budd Metroliner mentions the Amfleets and the Pioneer III discusses the Budd Silverliner.  A small degree of overlap provides the reader with a complete story.  If you want to incorporate the information on successor and RDC family vehicles into a single heading then feel free, but when I checked there wasn't even a link to the Rodger Williams page.Sturmovik (talk) 22:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You make good points, but I want to avoid a situation where we confuse the reader about what is and what is not an RDC. I'll try to write something up for the SPV-2000. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 23:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Budd_Rail_Diesel_Car#Developments. "Developments" is vague, but I couldn't come up with a better noun. Mackensen (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. For the section title I'd go with "derivatives", but that's just a thought. oknazevad (talk) 02:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That works for me--thanks for the suggestion. Mackensen (talk) 02:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good.  Thanks for all the hard work. Sturmovik (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roger Williams 

message: I merged Commonwealth Railways CB class railcar into this article in May 2016 on the grounds that it's not really a separate class; it's just a designation Commonwealth Railways adopted for three RDC-1s which were shipped overseas. This is distinct from the New South Wales 1100 class railcar; which differs in various details, was built under license, and isn't considered a "true" RDC. This merge was reverted in June by , a new user who has no other edits which makes discussion unlikely. I'm going to reinstate the merge for now. Mackensen (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commonwealth Railways CB class railcar 

message: The article currently says:
Tokyu Car built 45 of a heavily-specialized, meter-gauge RDC design for the Taiwan Railway Administration under license from Budd.
The question concerns the gauge of track. Per the page for Taiwan Railway Administration, their gauge is 1067 mm or 42 inches. This is 6.7 cm or about 2.4 inches wider than meter gauge. I'm not quite brave enough to edit the article on this point. The authors may have relied on a source that said meter-gauge but if so, I think the source was in error. Also, maybe, Budd's designers developed a design which, with relatively easy modifications, could be built either for meter gauge or for the gauge of the Taiwan system.  Oaklandguy (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under "Derivatives" - a detail for Taiwan cars: track gauge error, probably 

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message: I've removed :File:Budd RDC-2 B&O 2.jpg from the infobox; I don't think it's the best choice to illustrate the RDC. In particular, the paint scheme is not accurate to what the B&O actually used. I've temporarily replaced it with :File:Boston and Maine RDC 6127 on Railroad Enthusiasts fantrip at West Peabody, April 27, 1969.jpg, but there's probably a better shot out there. An ideal shot would be an RDC in service or a museum, with original livery, and preferably one of the larger users. Some possibilities:
File:VIA 6110, Train 640 at CN depot, Niagara Falls, NY (22220306373).jpg|
File:CNJ RDC 553 at Dunellen, NJ on July 4, 1969.jpg|
File:Reading 9163 (RDC) Philadelphia in September 1964 (22262585688).jpg|
File:Amtrak RDC 15 on the Black Hawk, July 1975.jpg
File:B&O 1907 (RDC) Train 131 at Sunnyside Road, Beltsville, MD on April 16, 1969 (21903373253).jpg
File:Boston & Maine RDC 6306 and others at Rockport, MA on September 7, 1968.jpg
Thoughts? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: The Budd RDC cars listed as being owned by the Lehigh Gorge Scenic Railway are instead owned by that road's corporate owner, the Reading, Blue Mountain & Northern. Bill S. (talk) 03:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lehigh Gorge does not own any RDC cars