Talk:Jesus/Archive 55

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# אמר Steve Caruso (poll) 17:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Forensic Reconstruction

message: # Arguebly the most famous depiction of Jesus; research suggest it to be at least from the time and place of Jesus. It is not Original research, "creed-neutral" (no icon and no halo), it was not created but actually is a relic and has the advantage of not being based on dodgy methods as the "reconstruction" is. Str1977 (smile back) 19:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've read (which could be wrong/out of date), the Shroud probably comes from the 10-13 centuries, not the 1st century. In my mind, the Shroud is grouped with bigfoot and alien abduction, and I feel, whether it is authentic or not, it still connotes the paranomal/psuedo-science. Therefore, I would not support this as an image for Jesus. I wouldn't mind using a historical work of art though (with a caption explaining the artistic context and religious POV). --Andrew c 21:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehrm, simply looking at it as an image itself, it seems a bit....obscure looking when compared to some of the other fairly nice looking images we've got. But after that, then you get into the entire turin shroud controversy, which might lead to a bunch of people coming in here going on about "THATS NOT JESUS BECAUSE WE FOUND SOMETHING THAT SEEMED SORT OF LIKE PAINT MAYBE KINDA SORTA" and all that, I don't think we want that kind of trouble. Homestarmy 21:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to break this news here, but the Shroud of Turin was, and still is, a hoax. Jim62sch 23:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that not all Christians believe in relics. The shroud is inappropriate at best. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 11:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  I hope you WILL NOT feature this image together with the main article. No serious encyclopedia would do such a thing and I don't even need to bore you with arguments as to why. Why not showing how people imagined him throughout the history, starting with earliest extant paintings till now? How about various representations according to geographic criteria, such as eastern/western Christianity (e.g. Rublev vs. Michelangelo). -- 83.221.74.171 23:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice, but probably too Catholic for a general article on Jesus. AnnH ♫ 20:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Turin Shroud negative

message: I just plain think that this is just a good looking picture, I mean its pretty head on and close up, and its reasonably clear. So yea, the Greek Orthodox may of made it. Does this mean the Greek Orthodox's works can never be considered anything other than "Their personal, radically different than everyone else's view"? Barring a better image, I think at the very least this one will do for now, we can just move this up to the top of the page from where it currently is. And unless its somehow sending out convert-o beams, I don't see how its not relatively neutral. Homestarmy 18:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Eastern Orthodox picture thing

message: #For the moment, unless we can come up with something better. AnnH ♫ 20:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No picture

message: # Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 11:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No opinion

message: The place of birth is Nazareth, Galilee (according to many scholars) or Bethlehem, Judea (according to Matthew and Luke).
Other Interests: Schema, Prophets, Herod's Temple, Resurrection of the dead, Kingdom of Heaven, Repentance
Other Notable ideas: Turn the other cheek, Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, Parable of the Prodigal Son, The Friend at Night, The Unjust Judge
Seems to me the Likely Given Name should be: Ἰησοῦς/Yea-soos in Greek as recorded, likely ישוע /Yea-shoo in Aramaic. ע is a Voiced pharyngeal fricative, not a sound in English and probably not pronounced in Galilean Aramaic. See also Hebrew_alphabet#Numerical_value_and_pronunciation
Notable ideas: God as "Father" Comment: Not notable to Jesus, this is Pharisaic influence.
:Wait, why Schema, the Wiki article just says that's "a plan"? And if Jesus said something as an idea, it counts as His idea too :/. Homestarmy 18:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, very funny, try Shema,  also called the "Greatest Commandment".
"My Father"  as opposed to "Our Father" (Lord's Prayer) might be an idea unique to Jesus.209.78.17.141 19:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox data

message: #Yes - It gives the user some needed information as to what they have to expect from this article. (And if not, I think that the Christianity template should take second place to the Jesus Template as Jesus is the main focus of this article. :-) ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Thadman (talk • contribs) 
#Yes - Makes the article look more professional, quick access to relevant info. But I don't insist; I'm fine with whatever the consensus is. » MonkeeSage « 00:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes

message: #Definitely not. —Aiden 18:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No

message: # I've got mixed feelings about this. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 16:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maybe