Template talk:Infobox animanga/Archive 1

message: I added a weak header at Template:Infobox animanga/Header2 for simple sectional boxes. ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:23, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
:Thanks. I've added a mention on the main page. - mako 18:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If the box is gutted as much as I've suggested though, it does kinda need the pic... There's currently a lot of useful info in it, but big stuff needs some standard method of display that's not a narrow box down the right hand side of the page. --zippedmartin 21:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this was inspired by the usage on Nausicaa. - mako 23:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said somewhere else, it's the kaze no tani no n article that needs a rewrite, not the box that needs rearrangin' --zippedmartin 16:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Infobox animanga/Header2 

message: I've now made the image parameter optional in the header. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  optional image 

message: the codes jp_name and jp_name_trans should be renamed to ja_name and ja_name_trans for consistancy with the language codes found in the Japanese language article. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; I'll get on it. BTW, thanks for bringing your coding expertise to the aid of this template. - mako 05:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  code rename 

message: Say there's a show that's based on three different manga series that all follow the same set of characters? Is there a way to get the template to accept three "Manga" sections in the info box? --nihon 02:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It should work just fine; give it a shot. You should be able to put an arbitrary number/variety of components in between the header and footer. - mako 08:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried doing it, but from the second manga section on it was all screwed up. I examined the code very carefully to see if I had accidentally deleted something, but everything was there. I'm not sure why it won't work...I was thinking it might have something to do with having multiple calls for the same information, maybe? --nihon 10:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to work for me: User:Mako098765/Drafts. Things looking screwed up usually points to a syntax issue, either in the box or elsewhere on the page. The markup is fairly picky about lines and spacing. If you still can't get it to work, a look at your code would be useful. - mako 08:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using multiples of a specific section 

message: Well I was confused about how the titles work. Mako has scripted it so that the titles can be flexible. (this quote is from above)
Most OVAs I've run into don't have special titles. I'm envisioning code like OVA where title could be just " 2" or ": something". It could also be left blank
I admit that it isn't very new user friendly. When I started editing not long ago, I didn't realize that you have to put a space at the start of the title. You can use something like 
 title=: Lupin III: Fuma Conspiracy
and that will give you a colon between your text and the title template text like
 Movie: Lupin III: Fuma Conspiracy
If you just want a space then use the nowiki tags. 
If you just do 
 title=Lupin III: Fuma Conspiracy
then it will turn out like
 MovieLupin III: Fuma Conspiracy
and that is hard to read without a space. - Squilibob 01:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I didn't realize it either -_-. It came to my attention only recently. Though I should say that something like "Movie Lupin III" doesn't make sense, it really needs a colon. - mako 07:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It strikes me that I might be able to use class="hiddenStructure" to get around this messiness... - mako 07:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the way it works is fine, however people will keep coming in and changing the templates, which I'm sure is really annoying, because they think it doesn't function properly. The same thing could possibly happen if you hardcoded a colon in so there was always a colon after title - someone would change the template so it was a space instead and vice versa. The way it stands, you can have either a space or a colon and you can do other things, so that's good. The problem is when someone just uses title=name with no separator. I think the only thing that could make it easy for someone who just uses title=name with no separator is to use an if-then to check the first character of title. If it is alphanumeric then add a space. That way you can still have a colon or any other thing. I don't know how to do that since I don't know the syntax of template code. - Squilibob 09:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Solution: :Template:If defined to put the colon in when the title is defined. - mako 22:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How titles work 

message: === Game ===
Because a number of anime either have a video game based off of them or are based on a video game, I've created a video game component for . It is a trimmed down version of . However, before publishing the component to the main page, it needs to be tested. --TheFarix (Talk) 13:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tested this. It works fine. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Fixed the fields so they're the correct fields. This one works fine. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: See discussion somewhere above. For manga, much of the time art and story are done by the same person, and we want to keep the infobox concise. - mako 06:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Infobox animanga/ 

message: Because a number of anime either have a video game based off of them or are based on a video game, I've created a video game component for . It is a trimmed down version of . However, before publishing the component to the main page, it needs to be tested. --TheFarix (Talk) 13:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tested this. It works fine. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Infobox animanga/Game|Game]] 

message: I created an infobox for novels since some anime are based off of novels. Hopefully this would also become a component of . Any ideas on this infobox? I think since many are not aware of actual novels for existing anime, this might be useful information to have. Are the fields included adequate? As you can see, I basically just copied the TheFarix had done and just modified the fields a bit to suit the needs of a novel. Delphi00 19:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed the fields so they're the correct fields. This one works fine. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: See discussion somewhere above. For manga, much of the time art and story are done by the same person, and we want to keep the infobox concise. - mako 06:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Infobox animanga/Novel|Novel]] 

message: Do we want to add in a spot for IMDB info? --日本穣 Nihonjoe 02:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grep 'imdb' on this page for mako's view and my view, the latin1 and idiocy makes me vomit. --zippedmartin 02:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just how useful would a link to the IMDb really be? --TheFarix (Talk) 03:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: A link to www.animenewsnetwork.com or www.animenfo.com would be much more appropriate.--SeizureDog 05:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IMDB

message: Some people make it the literal translation of the Japanese title (eg. Sailor Moon) while others insist it should be the romanized version (eg. Neon Genesis Evangelion). We should standardize this, as I'm just stumped on what it is "supposed" to be. -  13:01, 06 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be the literal translation, hence the 'trans'. The romanization is typically in the first sentence of the text anyway. - mako 20:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought, but I changed the Evangelion article yesterday and it got instantly reverted to the romanized version. Furthermore, the romanized version is incorrect, it is "Evangelion" when it actually reads "Evangerion". *rolls eyes* I'll try again.
-  21:04, 06 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the deal with "ja_name_trans" 

message: I adjusted the header template to display the caption field. The previous version exempted it due to the formatting of the image. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Displaying the caption now shows a strip of white, which looks somewhat out of place with respect to the rest of the infobox. A white background, we decided earlier, is preferable in case transparent PNGs are used. So how to resolve this aesthetic dilemma? Since we're using an infobox with cell borders, creating a new (colored) row for the caption would partition it away from the image (= bad). The original intention was to have the caption be alt text, which I admit is probably overlooked by most people. - mako 08:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, I'm all about aesthetics, and try my best to keep that in mind. In this case, however, unless you want the entire coloring scheme reworked, I'd say it's best to bite the bullet and deal with the slight amoount of whitespace. On the other hand, some sort of html background fill parameter would do nicely, but I'm at a loss on how to accomplish that. Also, come to think of it, it would just do only the text, leaving an even less-appealing whitespace if the caption goes beyond one line. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 08:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll be honest and say I don't like the change: it seems both unnecessary and unappealing. May I ask what the rationale is?--Monocrat 17:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's better as a tooltip like before, personally. - Phorque 19:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Even in its current form it should still have a tooltip. The alt-text is used by accessibility browsers that read out aloud the tooltip text for the vision impaired. It should not have been removed. --Squilibob 00:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It would seem a discourtesy not to respond to requests for a rationale and to the complaints per se. If I don't hear beack soon, by Tuesday, I'll just revert the thing myself.--Monocrat 12:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've reverted this change. It doesn't go well with the box. If we want some additional text to display below the image we can either add an additional parameter or a switch that would allow the caption to display. --Kunzite 17:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd have responded sooner, but I simply forgot. A tooltip is fine, and I'm not particularly vehement about having the caption actually display. I only made it display since it's common practice. The coloring of the box makes implementing a visible caption a somewhat visually displeasing action, as mentioned, so leaving it off would probably be for the best. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image caption 

message: Just now the size parameter stoped working so the pic in the infobox has been resized and it becomes horribly pixilated. Here's just one example in the Kasimasi article.--Juhachi 06:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed that. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 08:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should leave the Infobox alone for now. You've actually done more damage then fix things. --TheFarix (Talk) 16:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A little overdramatic, don't you think? All I did was clean up the code and fix the caption. Aside from that size variable, everything works exactly the same. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree. Enough changes for now. Discuss changes here first from now on. Make prototypes in your own userspace and then display them here for scrutiny/discussion rather. - Phorque 19:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: A change to these templates affects hundreds of pages. I'm all for improving the template but the changes you have made are stylistic differences. I don't know what you mean by "color standardization". Are the following templates non-standard too: Template:Infobox Arcade Game, Template:Infobox VG, Template:Infobox City? --Squilibob 00:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size parameter malfunction 

message: As a fellow creator of this template I fail to see a reason why we cant hav images as "title". Some anime have simple, easy to read logos which can replace text just as easily. The inclusion of the image as title neither breaks the template/table nor require additional parameters. --Cat out 18:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think such use is a bit tacky and encourages further abuse of the template. Also there is the trouble with WP:FUC when there is already another image in the image field that also contains the same logo. --TheFarix (Talk) 19:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title image

message: I changed font-size from smaller to 92%. The reason is that when smaller is specified, the resulting text is often larger than the body text. Whether this is a browser bug, or the text is smaller compared to something a lot larger than the body text, I don't know, but it causes excessively large text in anime infoboxes. I used 92%, to be consistent with other small text on Wikipedia. Shinobu 13:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  font-size: 92% 

message: In an article, this infobox what preceded by another. This was the resulting mess
 From previous infobox:   </table>
 Mess caused by the span: 
 Start of this infobox:   
This caused the previous infobox to be "cleared". I've corrected the problem. Shinobu 09:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  span id="NOINDEX" 

message: The Case Closed/Detective Conan drama has been aired for a month (October 2 2006). However, the drama is tanpatsu (one-shot); it has one one episode. How should I fill in the first_aired and last_aired fields? If I fill in the date on first_aired only, it would display October 2 2006 – , but if I fill in the same date for both fields, I'd get October 2 2006 - October 2 2006, which is equally silly. Is there anyone who want to correct this bug? --Samuel Curtis-- TALK 11:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Original Run" and One-shot (tanpatsu) drama 

message: Since manhwa isn't part of the project, should there be a box for it? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think manhwa have just as much validity as anime and manga do for inclusion in this project. True, the vast majority of overseas graphic novels can be classified as Japanese manga, but Korean manhwa shouldn't just be shoved under the rug just because they are not as common. Or even if manhwa isn't specifically included in this project, then perhaps we could at least leave it in a "See also" section?--(十八|talk) 08:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, think of it this way, we can make a box that can be used on those articles that is the same style as the animanga infobox, even if it's not technically the same WikiProject. -- Ned Scott 09:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I was just curious as I've seen the project tag being removed from manhwa articles by various editors who state that manhwa aren't part of the project. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manhwa box was originally made separately and then was moved into a subsection of this page. It actually does not work as a modular component and isn't a part of the collection of templates at all. It is a standalone template and should not be grouped with the rest of the modular templates. Manhwa isn't part of WikiProject Anime and manga currently anyway. I like Juhachi's idea of linking to it in a See also section so that anyone wanting to replicate a stand-alone version of the Animanga template can see that it has been done before. --Squilibob 08:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manhwa box? 

message: The Show/Hide ability that was being used with NavFrame was breaking other tables such as the Navbox on the bottom of One Piece. The collapsibility is hard coded in the common javascript file so that any NavFrame would show by default no matter what unless there was more than 2 on the page in which case it would hide no matter what. We wanted our network_other and publisher_other fields to hide no matter what and so we nested two Navframes for each. We also used display:none as a backup. From what I have read any other NavFrames on a page would inherit the style of the first NavFrame. This would break any navbox that would use the NavFrame as they would automatically hide even if the editors wanted them to show by default. I have changed it so that the infobox uses the table style of collapsing. --Squilibob 10:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NavFrame was breaking other tables