Talk:The Kingston Trio

message: I have re-positioned the University of North Texas Digital Library link that was initially placed as a ref/footnote to external links. This 1969 radio show is valuable in its entirety, and only 30 seconds in the middle of the 17 minute program deals with the issue for which it is used as a reference - and that issue is sourced already. The program includes an extended and very valuable series of recollections from Trio member the late Nick Reynolds, recorded in 1969, two years after the break-up of the group. Sensei48 (talk) 03:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for promoting the link.  BTW, Reynolds' interview was recorded 11.18.1967 ; its scheduled broadcast was May 1969  as part of the Pop Chronicles documentary.  I've added some of this info to the link. DougHill (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital Library Link 

message: The kingston trio is VERY IMPORTANT in FOLK MUSIC HISTORY.
But this great group never has single discography in wikipedia.
I hope you to add single discography of the kingston trio. LSM1204 (talk) 15:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add single discography of the kingston trio 

message: The band itself has never capitalized the name as "The Kingston Trio." That is precisely why most of the quoted sources -see quotations in the "Influence" section from Bruce Eder, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Doc Watson - use the lower case t. These are quoted verbatim from published sources including the lower case "the" and as such cannot be altered in any way. They also indicate the common and preferred usage from and by the group itself.Sensei48 (talk) 01:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue was debated extensively on the Beatles article talk pages. So much so it led to an article in the Wall Street Journal. Airproofing (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yuck, I remember that one - it was before I'd learned to not be sucked into the dark malevolent whirlpool of pointless wiki wars ... - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:31, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've got a wsj sign-in, you can read the 2012 article:  - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I know someone who does have the sign-in and I'd love to look at it. In any event - looking at the article today, I note that the lower case "t" folks appear to have won - likely due to common usage employed by the band itself. Sensei48 (talk) 23:36, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember an acrimonious argument about this point many years ago when I was a very active editor here. I took the point of view, backed up by the text on their own albums and mentions in the New York Times, that "the" should be used. I thought at the time, however, that "The" had prevailed, mainly because the Trio themselves had copyrighted The Kingston Trio with a capital T. Glad to see that sanity has now prevailed. Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "the" and not "The" 

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message: I think those are fine edits that you made. I do query removing "who were signed by EMI/Capitol just as the Trio's seven-year contract was running out", however. This seems to me to be both interesting and pertinent. Unless this same info is somewhere else in the article, I myself would leave it in. I don't feel strongly enough about this point, however, to restore the previous version. Best! Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It struck me as an unnecessary detail to the point that the Trio faded as the British invasion arose, but I do not feel very strongly about it either. If you want to return it, I won't balk. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 01:53, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll do it. My feeling, having been a novelist rather than a journalist (where concision is obviously at a premium), is that the more info about anything the better. Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Another ten words need to be added back here as well to prevent the tautology that their removal created: "due partly to the number and popularity of the aforementioned imitators in the pop-folk world but also to the rise of other major commercial folk groups like Peter, Paul and Mary" is the current edit.  PP&M were conceived as "a hipper version of the Kingston Trio" by Albert Grossman, and those are his words. The phrase that needs to be added back follows PP&M and says "whose music had a decidedly more political bent than the Trio's," which distinguished PP&M, the Chad Mitchell Trio, and a few others who were doing Dylan and political songs from the truly impressive number of initial imitators like The Brothers Four and The New Christy Minstrels (both of whom sold millions and millions of records) who emulated the KT's frat boy/good time image and that deliberately sought to avoid the dangers of political music that the destruction of The Weavers had illustrated. This thread is picked up later in the article, but the phrase that needs to be added back is precisely what distinguished PP&M from the "aforementioned imitators." regards, Sensei48 (talk) 07:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And speaking of PP&M - that Wikipedia article is in need of some serious attention as well - one that I intend to take up ASAP. Sensei48 (talk) 07:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I bet that when doing read-through edits of your own first drafts you remove far more than you add. Often (maybe usually), more isn't better in fiction or non-fiction. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on my first draft (which was four pages a day), I would reread it over wine after dinner and generally ADD about another half page.  Then, the next day, when I sat down to do my four pages, I would already be halfway into page one. But when I had finished the entire book (or filled up a floppy drive in the early days) and did my *third* draft, yes, I began trimming. Ditto for the fourth and final draft, which was the fun one -- I enjoyed seeing how clever I had been before. If only publishers and the buying public had agreed with my assessment! Hayford Peirce (talk) 15:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent revisions by David Brooks, but one minor question 

message: The article fails to mention that Nick Reynolds played a four-string tenor guitar – quite unusual then and now.  (I found one source saying it was Bob Shane who played the tenor, but this isn't borne out by other sources and is erroneous.) Reynolds's tenor guitar, with a capo on the fifth fret (!), helped give them their trademark bright, sparkling sound.– Sca (talk) 15:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Our Tenor guitar article notes, "The Martin 0-18T flat top acoustic tenor guitar was played in the late 1950s by Nick Reynolds of The Kingston Trio." – Sca (talk) 15:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PPS: See promotional pic. with Reynolds and his tenor guitar at center here. – Sca (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Years ago I saw an old video, probably on YouTube, of the Trio in which Nick was holding the guitar at shoulder height and horizontally away from him, so that the bottom flat surface was parallel with the floor. And he was playing the strings, in spite of this strange position, in his usual lively manner. Was this a one-off? I think I only saw it in that one video. By the way, a number of the early Seven-Up commercials they did were once on YouTube but then vanished -- I'm particularly thinking of the MTA and Worried Man ones.  They were wonderful! Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Tenor Guitar