Talk:Second City derby

message: This game is always called the Second City Derby it even says it is in the article so why is the page called Birmingham Derby? Birmingham is one of the teams that plays in it its like calling Liverpool v Everton the Liverpool Derby.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.170.128 (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of Article 

message: I have moved "notable matches" above "premiership" matches in the main layout, because it is more logical that way, chronologically. Also, the text flows better in my view. MegdalePlace (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of order 

message: A couple of comments on the table of clashes between the clubs:
1. The text above it includes: "since the first league meeting in 1879". The league wasn't in existence then, which raises question marks over which games are actually included in the tallies. Was 1879 a cup game? If so, was it in fact the Birmingham Senior Cup, and if so, should it be tallied in at all? Or was it just a notable friendly? or is the date just wrong? Their first league meeting was presumably 1894 when Birmingham were promoted to Div 1 for the first time.
2. The text says "there have been 122 competitive first–class meetings", but the stats include fewer than this. (Is it because clashes in other competitions are counted too, or is it just inaccurate?)
I would like to suggest that someone with access to the stats re-does the table so that league games are further divided between "football league (1888-1992)" and "premier league (1992-date)". The reason is that I think this will make the stats easier to keep accurate and current. It's a big job to keep re-checking the tally every time it's updated or each time they play, and who can say with certainty if it's ever truly correct? At least this way, the first period is 'closed' and we need only worry about the last few seasons. 
Alternatively, which might be better still, how about dividing into 19th, 20th and 21st centuries? The grand totals will still be there, but it will be easier to maintain accurately.  
3. Any stats available on war time games?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.164.105 (talk) 07:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Match stats 

message: Based on anecdotal evidence (reading, watching TV, listening to the radio, talking to people, etc. etc.) , I'd argue that 'Second City derby' is the most commonly used name for games between Aston Villa and Birmingham City, and is used more than 'Birmingham derby'.  Obviously there's no study performed that backs this up - but equally, this is most likely the position for Old Firm rather than Glasgow derby, Steel City derby rather than Sheffield derby, and so on.  Either the popular name should be used in all instances, or, if the popular name cannot be conclusively substantiated as being so (I'd guess that this is always going to be the case - what kind of person conducts studies into the nomenclature of football matches?), then as precise a name as possible should be used, even if it's not idiomatic. This is a rushed little paragraph, but what are your thoughts? Matthew (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, to take just the most recent Villa-Blues game as an example, it was referred to as the "Second City Derby" by The Guardian , The Telegraph , The Times , The Independent , The Mirror , The Sun , the BBC , Sky Sports , Eurosport  and Setanta .  Sure it's sometimes called the Birmingham Derby, just as the Old Firm is sometimes called the Glasgow Derby, and you can find the odd mention of it as the West Midlands Derby too, but there's not a lot of doubt what it's usually called. Football Derbies.com agrees . JimmyGuano (talk) 20:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, that's an argument for renaming this page to Second City derby rather than just included a 'better known' statement. Matthew (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The one follows from the other doesn't it? The article should be named after the name for which it is best known as per WP:NAME. The exception would be if this makes it in some way ambiguous, but the name's unqualified and preferred use across such a spread of the UK media suggests it's pretty clear. Are there any other matches commonly referred to as the Second City derby? JimmyGuano (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The page was originally moved with this reasoning. As there is no official second city of the UK, it shouldn't be called the Second City derby." (I'm not subscribing to that view, just pointing it out.) I think a requested move is needed here to settle it. Woody (talk) 10:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: If you want it moved, it'd probably be best to go through the requested move process, as Woody suggested just above, which opens the question to a wider forum than those 4 or 5 of us who happen to have this page watchlisted. It's easily done. See WP:RM#Requesting a single page move, copy the bit in the box and paste it at the bottom of this page, and fill in the suggested new name and your reasons why. Then after a few days someone will come along and look at the arguments and see if a consensus has been reached. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: no comments against move - page move completed WillDow  (Talk) 11:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Better known' and 'Also known' 

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message: Should Charlie Phillips be added - Villa to Blues in 1938. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Phillips_(footballer)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:32ED:800:4453:7B0D:4756:88BE (talk) 21:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crossing the Divide 

message: Crossed the divide from Small Heath to Villa.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:3266:6300:687C:15DF:FC19:6847 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fred Wheldon