Talk:Third camp

message: Why is there nothing on the Worker-Communist traditions of Iran and Iraq? They even operate a Third Camp TV show on their television station. Rmalhotr 23:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've mentioned them briefly, but it sounds like you have plenty of information to pad this out. Warofdreams talk 02:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

message: The Libertarian Socialist League existed between 1949 and 1956 (not to be confused with the Libertarian League which Bookchin was in). Some  issues of their journal, Socialist Monthly, were recently posted online at an archival site at Bloomsberg U. The literature posted mentions "third camp" politics over and over so I think if we could ever get enough info for a listing for this group, it would be great. A leading figure was Virgil Vogel who also wrote for New Politics.Rmalhotr 23:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with the group, but it looks interesting, and certainly describes itself as part of the third camp.  Its attacks on the ISL suggest it was a split from that group, although the two independent references I can find  and  both simply state that it was formed by members of the Socialist Party in protest at that group's move to the right.  The journal (and, indeed, the name of the group) suggests some sympathies with anarchism.  That seems pretty slim pickings for an article, but if someone could find Vogel's book The first Libertarian Socialist League, 1949-1956, I suspect one could be viable. Warofdreams talk 00:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Libertarian Socialist League

message: What exactly does it mean to be 3rd camp post-soviet era?--Gary123 (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's certainly been a matter of debate, and an area which should be covered in the article.  Workers Liberty's usage could be broadly described as wherever possible supporting progressive workers' movements rather than either side in wars between capitalist nations.  Namazie's position has some similarities, but less emphasis on the working class, and she doesn't really acknowledge a link with earlier concepts (although her concept is almost certainly influence by the WPI's friendly relationship with the AWL).  You could probably find people who argue that the idea of a third camp cannot be extended beyond not siding with capitalist states or with the North Korea, Cuba, etc. Warofdreams talk 00:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are the some strategic implications. In comparison, consider the followers of Tony Cliff, whose Stalinophobia leads them to be deeply suspicious of anti-capitalist mass movements with non-Trotskyist leaderships, such as the movements led by figures like Hugo Chavez. I think there's a similar trend in the Third Camp which means, for example, separation from the mass movements like Hezbollah and a cautious attitude towards the demand for troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and to movements opposed to monopoly and to nuclear power.--Duncan (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Post soviet

message: The article claims a number of Schactmanites became neo-cons: Linda Chavez, Richard Perle, etc. But I don't know if any of them actually were, although some were YPSL or SDUSA members. The only evidence seems to be scurrilous articles by conpiracy theorist Raimondo. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note - I've removed the 'Criticism' section referred to above, as it was very poorly sourced. A list of names was given of alleged former 'Third Campists' who became neoconservatives, but no sources were provided for any of them, and in most cases this alleged affiliation was not mentioned in their articles. If a criticism section is to be re-added, it needs to be well-sourced; in particular, per the WP:BLP policy, contentious claims about living people must not be made without an accompanying source. Robofish (talk) 23:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ex-3rd Camp neo-cons