Talk:Piano Concerto No. 9 (Mozart)

message: The claim that this is regarded as Mozart's "first great masterpiece" is dubious.  In my copy of Einstein's book- the book quoted, and where the phrase "The E-flat major Concerto is Mozart's 'Eroica'" occurs- the concerto is discussed on pp. 294-5 (chapter 17, "The Synthesis: The Clavier Concerto".) Einstein does say that it is "surprising and unique among Mozart's works" and that it "is one of Mozart's monumental works, those works in which he is entirely himself, seeking not to ingratiate himself with his public". He compares it ("there are similar bold ventures, full of both youth and maturity, in the works of other great masters") to Titian's "Sacred and Profane Love", Goethe's Werther, and Beethoven's Eroica so yes, he does apply high praise... the only works written before this concerto that he praises quite as or nearly so highly, I think, are the late 1773/early 1774 symphonies (nos. 25, 28, 29 in the usual numbering) (see pp 222-4). (And perhaps the third, fourth and fifth violin concertos.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 06:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Charles Rosen in "The Classical Style" claims that this piece dates from 1775. Is 1777 the correct year? --AppaAliApsa (talk) 19:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see 1775 in my copy of "The Classical Style".  Rosen doesn't dwell on dates, so I wouldn't use him as a source for those.  Sadie, Girdlestone, Hutchings, Steinberg and the NMA score all say January 1777.DavidRF (talk) 03:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The autograph in Warsaw is dated "Gennaro 777". Charles Rosen is irrelevant.--91.115.166.128 (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Rosen does not actually make a mistake here. The closest he gets to specifying a date is on p. 198: "At the age of twenty, with what may be considered his first large-scale masterpiece in any form [KV 271], Mozart solved this problem in a manner as brutal and as simple as breaking the neck of a bottle to open it". And indeed, Mozart was 20 during most of January 1777, since his birthday was the 27th of January. Double sharp (talk) 14:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: On rereading him I see that he does make this mistake on p. 23, writing "about 1775, the date of Mozart's E flat Piano Concerto K. 271". But I suppose he has the excuse of "about", since he also mentions what Haydn was doing around this time in the same sentence. Double sharp (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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