Talk:Non-epileptic seizure

message: Your restrictive definition of an epileptic seizure is certainly clear, and rational in a quirky way. However, it is also wrong. There is no requirement for a pre-existing diagnosis of epilepsy. There is no distinction between the first and the second seizure. And there is no need to exclude invoked seizures such as febrile convulsions or eclampsia. Indeed, epilepsy is defined in terms of "epileptic seizures", not the other way round.
The International League Against Epilepsy (ILAE) define
:An epileptic seizure is a transient occurrence of signs and/or symptoms due to abnormal excessive or synchronous neuronal activity in the brain.
:Epilepsy is a disorder of the brain characterized by an enduring predisposition to generate epileptic seizures and by the neurobiologic, cognitive, psychological, and social consequences of this condition. The definition of epilepsy requires the occurrence of at least one epileptic seizure.
An interesting article on The National Society for Epilepsy web site (The significance of the syndromic diagnosis of the epilepsies) gives a very rigorous definition of various terms. Included are 
:"An epileptic seizure is defined as an abnormal paroxysmal discharge of cerebral neurones sufficient to cause clinically detectable events that are apparent to the subject, an observer, or both"
and (from the World Health Organization Dictionary of Epilepsy, written by H. Gastaut):
:Epilepsy is a chronic brain disorder of various aetiologies characterised by recurrent seizures due to excessive discharge of cerebral neurones (epileptic seizures), associated with a variety of clinical and laboratory manifestations). Single or occasional epileptic seizures (such as febrile convulsions and the seizures of puerperal eclampsia) as well as those occurring during an acute illness should not be classified as epilepsy.
The term "epileptic siezure" is used wrt eclampsia, both in the definition above and, for example, this article.
The term "epileptiform seizure" is not defined or even used by the ILEA, nor by any significant epilepsy organisation or textbook. It appears is a reltively tiny number of papers and web sites. It is clear that this term does not have popular support and I feel strongly that its inclusion here muddies the waters.
The term "non-epileptic seizures" is widely and consistently used with the meaning defined by this article.
I agree with your aims, and the importance of making this encyclopedia accessible to non-medical readers. However, this can be achieved by using standard terms and definitions that are precise and commonly accepted by the experts.
Colin°Talk 12:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Colin, I object to the term "quirky", which I find offensive. I still disagree with you (and the sources you quote) about the term "epileptic seizures". I still feel strongly that the word "epileptic" should be avoided unless the diagnosis of epilepsy is present. (A leading theme of this article as it stands is that epilepsy is mis-diagnosed. Surely this usage will make this more likely?). Unlike you, however, I do not routinely read the literature on seizure disorders. My source of expertise was asking everybody round the tables in the doctors' lounge in my hospital. It may come as no surprise to you that everyone agreed with my viewpoint (perhaps there is a geographical bias at work). However, I hope that these discussion pages will allow readers to see that some inconsistency in terminology exists. I'm not going to take this discussion any further, as it would be a waste of both our time. Preacherdoc 21:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epileptic seizure 

message: Having read the source material cited in the claim that infantile gratification disorder is a cause of seizures, it appears to me that the material is being misinterpreted.  The article appears to conclude that infantile gratification disorder can be MISTAKEN for seizures, and should be ruled out when a diagnosis of seizure is being considered.  I have deleted the reference. 67.170.193.56 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you misunderstand the topic of this article: it concerns events that look like seizures, are frequently misdiagnosed as seizures, but are not seizures. Colin°Talk 21:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Masturbation

message: I have come across this page and find it to be listed in the wrong place. I have Reflex Anoxic seizures and if someone was searching the internet after their child or themselves had been newly diagnosed they would find this information misleading and uninformative. Information is sparse enough without this rubbish. Either get your information right and stop talking about epilepsy or delete this whole page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JC1663 (talk • contribs) 05:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The the Reflex anoxic seizure article currently redirects here. This article is about NAS in general. I've removed the copyright text, which was added about RAS. If I find some time, I'll add some non-copyright text to a new article about RAS. Colin°Talk 07:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reflex anoxic seizures