Talk:Jim Croce

message: Heidieh does exist. The name was used to vandalize a bunch of Croce articles and country singer articles. Remove it on sight. --Falcorian (talk) 03:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On November 20, another IP came back and added the Heidieh stuff to his article and to my talk page (editing someone else's comment). Watch out again. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And they just did it again over the last few days... --Falcorian (talk) 18:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heidieh  

message: Why are there no mentions of the lawsuits that surrounded Jim Croce and his music, royalties, etc?  There have been at least 2 lawsuits by Ingrid {which she won}.  
Scroll down to page 4 and look at "Related Cases".  
Notice Ingrid refers to "lawsuits" in the interview. 
Sorry, I'm new here so I don't really know the best way to format all of this.  Raphjd 06:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawsuits 

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: Per Wikipedia policy, all quotes need to be referenced.  I started to add a request for cites on the two quotes included here, but decided to just delete them for now since they were not particularly enlightening anyway.  If anyone has some illuminating quotes with citations, feel free to add them into the article (preferably in the applicable section of the article rather than a seperate quotes section).  Jgm (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: The I GOT A NAME album was not released until December 1973. If you do your homework, you'll find that Jim only just finished recording it 8 days before he died. It's almost impossible that any album could be recorded, mixed, sweetened, not to mentioned pressed in that short a time span. Terry Cashman and Tommy West finished producing it as if Jim were still alive, according to them.
I'm 50 years old now, I was 15 when Jim died...I waited MONTHS for that album to be released after his death. The cover photo was changed as well...the ORIGINAL cover was supposed to be the photo that was used inside the album...the one with Jim lying on the bed, smoking his cigar. One of the news channels in New York showed a picture of it (and his other albums) the night after he died, I saw it with the same I GOT A NAME logo on it on tv.
Now the SONG I GOT A NAME might have been released sooner...it hit the airwaves right after Jim died. That was from the movie THE LAST AMERICAN HERO, later renamed HARD DRIVER.
I will find further proof/documentation to support these facts, and edit this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterweiss (talk • contribs) 17:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong and bad info on I GOT A NAME 

message: There is no mention of his time in the army.  The Bad, Bad Leroy Brown Wikipedia article mentions that he was in the Army at one point, stationed in Fort Jackson, S.C.  Also, Croce himself provides this information on Track 12 of the Jim Croce Live CD (Have Your Heard - Jim Croce Live).  Someone on the website Songfacts 
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2250
says that Croce joined the National Guard, but Croce's story on Track 12 suggests he may have been drafted: he says he received a brown letter signed by a General.  Does anyone have the facts on this?  Ileanadu (talk) 02:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The site maintained by his wife Ingrid Croce say the following: "[...] even enlisted in the U.S. Army. He didn't have a very illustrious military career, but says he's prepared if there's ever a war where we have to defend ourselves with mops." --Falcorian (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in the Army? 

message: Does anyone know what type of plane he was in that crashed? 24.189.90.68 (talk) 06:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plane he crashed in 

message: Anyone know where to find a suitable free image? —Gaff ταλκ 20:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No portrait? 

message: The article states that in 1968 Jim and Ingrid Croce moved to NYC and later returned to Philly after he became disillusioned with the music scene in NYC.  After working at a radio station he became frustrated and enlisted in the Army.  Then the article states that in 1970 Croce met Maury Muehleisen who began to back Coce on guitar, seemingly alluding to the fact that he resumed his musical career after military service.  
The time frame here seems narrow.  Exactly how long had Croce been in the army?  I was in the military not long after this period and during the Vietnam War period one could be drafted into the Army or Marines (the Navy, Coast Guard and Air force never had to draft because of all the young men rushing to enlist to avoid the more dangerous service of the ground forces) for two years, but as I recall the minimum enlistment period was for three years.  From how the article reads, it seems doubtful that there is even a two year period available to account for Croce’s army enlistment.
Before reading this article, I wasn’t even aware he had ever served in the military, which is odd as I am from Philly and have always been a huge fan of his music.  The article alludes to a rather inglorious military service period for Croce, and I wanted to know if anyone had more details.  Was Croce discharged early and, if so, why?  Thanks. HistoryBuff14
—I’m sorry but when I made this inquiry I missed an above question similar to my own.  This poster provided a link that states that Croce had enlisted in the National Guard in 1966, not sometime in 1968 which the article alludes to, at least.  I think the 1966 date (due to age considerations; he probably avoided being drafted earlier by reason of a college deferment) and the National Guard information seems far more likely.  Croce could have served two years active duty in the Army and then National Guard “weekend warrior” duty for a period afterwards.  Thus, he moves to NYC with his wife in 1968 which would be timeframe compatible and more logical.
Do any agree that the article should be changed to reflect the more probable information?  True, the link is just from a forum poster, but there seems to be no source at all for the seeming 1968 enlistment assertion as the article reads now.  As I said, everything points to the forum poster (whatever his or her source) being more accurate.  Thanks.  HistoryBuff14
:Nothing should be added on this subject unless there is a reliable third party source for the information as per Wiki requirements.THX1136 (talk) 01:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croce's Military Service -  Proposal to modify article due to likely factual error – Comments? 

message: This part doesn't sound right at all: "A later investigation, source unknown, placed sole blame for the accident on pilot error due to his downwind takeoff into a "black hole". Well, there is a source attached, presumably the basis of the claim in the text. It is an appeal court decision, which is fairly primary as far as sources go, so it should be treated with caution, and "an appeal court ruled" used when necessary. And in this care caution in the wording is needed - it was not a "later investigation", it was expert testimony for the plaintiffs in a lawsuit. And the plaintiffs didn't "[place] sole blame" on the downwind takeoff, they list several factors. (#14 in the judgement part at the bottom) I'm not sure we should be presenting this at all, does the court actually rule on those points somewhere? I can't find it. And it needs some rewriting anyway I think, if there are some regular maintainers here. :) Franamax (talk) 01:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording in Death section 

message: I’m not certain the point that is being made here, for what seems a rather dubious achievement: what constitutes the “rock era” (I’m sure it has to be open to debate and interpretation)?  And which chart is being used? Buddy Holly (who isn’t included in the list of names used in this article) had a posthumous number one in the U.K. in 1959, with “It Doesn’t Matter Any More”, years before Otis Redding and Janis Joplin. I think the article could probably lose the fact, without diminishing the information on Croce, but at least should be clarified and cited to make it more encyclopædic. Jock123 (talk) 16:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have an answer to  but I agree on the re-phrasing, I think simply remove "of the rock era" that would seem to work.  Mlpearc (open channel) 16:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  “the third posthumous chart-topping song of the rock era” 

message: The text says 
"Time in a Bottle" (written for his then-unborn son, A. J. Croce[citation needed]).
This was confirmed by A. J. Croce's comments during a concert given in Rochester, MN on May 6, 2016.drh (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the parenthetical statement as there is no reliable third party source cited for the information. Wiki guidelines require sources for this kind of info. Using a source as mentioned by Danhicks above would be considered OR unless there is a visual or written record that has been published with a quote from A.J. Croce to that effect.THX1136 (talk) 01:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for writing "Time in a Bottle" 

message: On one of Croce's appearances on the Dick Cavett Show, Cavett asks him how he pronounces his name, and he reponds KROH-chay, not KROH-chee. There is a YouTube video of this entitled "Operator Performed by Jim Croce on the Dick Cavett Show," posted August 6, 2014 in the upperdarbybill account. The song performed is "I Have a Name," although it's not indicated in the YouTube title. The interchange occurs at the 4:00 point.
On the other hand, on the Helen Reddy show she introduces him as KROH-chee right in front of him, so he didn't seem to care enough about it to bother to give a heads-up to television staff before appearances.
Perhaps the best solution is to give chee as the commonly used pronunciation, but note that he himself used chay, at least in his private life.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.226.99.227 (talk) 06:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Name  

message: I see he's originally from Philadelphia, but how did he come to be buried in Frazer, Chester County, also in southeastern Pennsylvania?  His name showed up when I was reading wikipedia article about that Frazer. Carlm0404 (talk) 01:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  How was burial place arrived at? 

message: A couple that I know of are Gino Vannelli's "Poor Happy Jimmy" from Powerful People (1974), and Claudine Longet's "Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye" from her single "Who Broke Your Heart... / Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye" (1974). AMCKen (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Tribute Songs

message: in the hope that fitting recognition might be made on Sept 20 for the 50th anniversary of his death.  What musical delights and works of genius were we robbed of? Kevin McE (talk) 11:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't been a major contributor to the page myself, so I am not entitled to put it forward for a review of what is neded to get GA or FA status. Kevin McE (talk) 11:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks but a couple edits recently do not make me a major contributor. Featured Article status is a big step from its current Start rating.  Improving this article needs to be done in steps, like adding references and filling in content where needed. Go for B level and then Good Article level first. Best of luck. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:48, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: I don't know too much about the article subject, except I've been a fan forever. If there's anything I can help with just ping me or poke me on my talk. Cheers,  - FlightTime (open channel) 16:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also a big fan, but only a minor contributor to this article. I would happy to help with some editing, though. I agree that FA status is a tall order, but I think a Did You Know (WP:DYK) nomination is within reach if there is a noticeable expansion to this article. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk  16:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any chance of FA status and a Main Page mention for his 50th Anniversary? 

message: The Commons info on Ingrid's photo dates the photo in 1968 so why does the caption  in the article say 1972? 216.24.45.40 (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo date