Talk:Eduardo V. Manalo/Archive 1

message: * Please cite the source of this article. You are making serious charges againt the subject of the article, the least you can do is back it up with facts.
* http://www.newsflash.org/2003/05/pe/pe002860.htm
** IP 192.55.49.97 seem to belong to Intel  Corp
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***Emico, is there a reason why you are so concerned about obtaining the IP addresses of anyone who posts something not to your approval?
* The actual paragraph in the book "The Fall of Joseph Estrada: The inside story", pages 226-227:
[QUOTE]The plotters were closely monitored by the military and police agents. Three hotels - EDSA Shangri-La, Richmonde Hotel, and Galleria Suites - were used by the opposition as war headquarters at the height of the protests. Five rooms, including the presidential suites, In Shangri-La, four rooms in Richmonde, and several rooms on the 18th and 29th floors of the Galleria Suites were booked. Lacson, Honasan, Enrile, former First Lady Loi Ejercito and JV Ejercito had a room each at the Galleria suites, which was right behind the EDSA shrine. Opposition leaders said, however, the rooms were used, not as command centers to plot against the government, but as sanctuary to the tired leaders of the protest movement.
Honasan and Lacson, according to the military agents, were on top of the tactical planning for the rallies, the aborted negotiations with government, and the siege of Malacanang.
Room 1801, the presidential suite on the 18th floor of Edsa Plaza Shangri-La was reserved on April 29 by one Meloy Trinidad, vice-president for administration of the Antonino Group of Companies with office address in T.M. Kalaw corner Jorge Bocobo, Manila. The group of Honasan, Lacson, Maceda, and Enrile checked in at 7 p.m. and left 3 a.m. the following day. Seen with them at the hotel was INC deputy Executive Director Eduardo 'Eddie Boy' Manalo, son of Minister Manalo. He was reportedly invited to sit in at the negotiations between the administration and the opposition.
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* Hmm. He was reportedly invited to sit in the negotiations between administration and opposition. Is this the reason why he is being linked to EDSA III? For all I know he was asked to help and I don't see anything wrong with that. Tilting the issue to make it appear as if he was part of the plot smacks of blatant disregard for NPOV. Ealva 16:14, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source not cited 

message: * The writer of this article is not authorized by the subject, and the intention for this article is suspicious. Be wary of misinformation. (this contribution by User:Emico - signature added by DJ Clayworth 00:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unauthorized 

message: * removed cult reference to INC
* removed references to nepotism
* AFAIK, he is not the AsCII president (that should be Efren Tercias)
* I've never heard AsCII downplay its connection with INC (I should know, I'm an AsCII member)
* created "Political Influence in the Philippines" (for lack of a better title) section and marked as section POV
The new section badly needs POV edits. The accusations that EVM held secret negotiations with Arroyo to avoid charges should go in the absence of proof. No proof likewise was given equating Defensor's "courtesy call" to INC's support for Arroyo in the elections.
Anybody care to do these? Ealva 02:50, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preliminary POV Edits 

message: Onlytofind, unless you can provide sources for your 'rebellion' allegation, do not use wikipedia to defame another person. --Emico 14:52, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defamation 

message: The allegations that the courtesy call of GMA to EVM resulted in the INC's support is a POV violation. I have removed it. Ealva 21:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of GMA support POV

message: I suggest that the political influence section should be removed:
* aside from issues stemming from INC's unity doctrine (which in turn results in criticisms about block-voting), I have never heard of EVM himself engaging in politics. No press statements, radio or TV interviews, no nothing. I'm quite surprised how he got into the political picture at all.
* Jaime Cardinal Sin became openly involved in Philippine politics, is an outspoken critic of Marcos and Estrada (among a few), and is a major figure in EDSA I and EDSA II, yet he was even hailed as a hero. EVM did nothing of those sort, yet this section implies as if his influence is that significant as putting an obviously biased statement. Ealva 05:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Influence Removal

message: He has claimed that the author was "biased against the INC," but has no proof to back it up, and relies on a quote with absolutely no source (could he have made it up himself?) He has included the personal statement While I have the utmost respect for Doronila’s opinions and writing style, I am afraid that in this particular case, his analysis is biased in favor of his personal interests. And EDSA II happened five years ago- why would Doronilla be writing about it five years later? That's stacking the facts and using personal opinion. Those are obvious violations of Wikipedia rules, and shows the intention of Emico to tilt this article towards personal opinion.--Onlytofind 20:47, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emico's edit shows POV 

message: * Why is EDSA III ever mentioned at all, only to point out that there is no credible evidence that EVM is involved in the plot?
* Why is the so-called "proof" of the circular ever mentioned at all, not even proving that EVM made the circular?
Unless these items are resolved, this article is in violation of NPOV rules. Ealva 23:44, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Violation