Talk:Dutch oven

message: My slang dictionary gives the following: (1920s) the mouth; (1920s) the smell of a bed in which someone has just farted; (1980s+ australia) an enclosed area/room filled with cannabis smoke. 
I've never heard the fart usage in the UK, but that doesn't mean that it isn't used. Secretlondon 21:19, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
:I imagine no one above the age of puberty hears it much, anywhere<G>.  It's probably not limited to America, if your slang dictionary specifies regions and fails to do so here. So it is as I thought<G>! -- Someone else 21:25, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: The fart definition is now on the disambiguation page. Note the date on the comment you were responding to. FiveRings (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia isn't a dictionary.  Take your farting jokes to wiktionary.  That's where etymology goes  Maustrauser 06:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lame. It was trivia about a dutch oven. Whatever. User:Eurocanna
All of the slang definitions are at wikt:Dutch oven.--Srleffler 01:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Right.  This article is specifically about the cooking item.  Note that each Wikipedia article is not meant to be an all-encompassing disambiguation page.  Wikipedia articles are not the same as dictionary articles  (see the policy).  --Anonyhole (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Slang

message: OK, come one.  I know what a "dutch oven" is, but can we be a little mature and move that defintion to another article, please? --Bushido Hacks 18:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for disambiguity 

message: What connection, if any, is there between Dutch ovens and the Netherlands? That is, why are they called Dutch ovens? --Rob Kennedy 04:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch? 

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thread_title: Survey

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dutch oven red1.jpg

message: Hi, if the dutch oven is official equipment of the Boy Scouts of America, shouldn't it link to a Boy Scouts site instead of the manufacturers? Also, according to WP:PSTS, shouldn't we be avoiding primary/secondary sources? --Kjoonlee 08:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boy scout version 

message: For some reason, Qozon redirects here.  A Qozon is not the same as a Dutch Oven.  They have completely different histories. YuliEuphemism (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qozon 

message: Is more like a kind of cauldron, not a dutch oven. Does is really belong here? (if it does, so does cauldron, tetsunabe, etc.)FiveRings (talk) 16:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If nobody objects, I'm going to move potjie back to the Potjiekos page. I don't think these are the same thing. FiveRings (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page, as the pot has its origins in the Dutch Oven. The move was tagged for discussion on the potije page before it was completed, without objection.  You do not have consensus at the moment to revert this. Socrates2008 (Talk) 23:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see some evidence that the pot has its origins in the Dutch Oven. It is used like, and looks like, a cauldron. Did this discussion extend to the dutch oven page, or was it just on the potjie page? FiveRings (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then take a read at South Africa's (Dutch) colonial history, as well as Google books which has some specific references to this.  e.g. here Socrates2008 (Talk) 06:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, Bedourie oven should also be integrated into this page, for consistency sake. FiveRings (talk) 05:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  potjie 

message: The dutchie refered to in the song 'pass the dutchie' was a cooking pot for poor jamaicans and NOT a reference to 'pot'. However due to the song being a remake of 'pass the kouchie' where kouchie was a direct reference to marijuana then dutchie is now being used as slang for 'pot' Unsigned comment by Jonnyscranch (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see a reference for that please. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_the_dutchie  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnyscranch (talk • contribs) 11:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutchie

message: Why does this keep getting taken out of the article?  This is a well established and notable use of the terminology. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this article is about the COOKING POT. The fart definition is on the disambiguation page. (As noted in the edit comment, and at the top of this article). FiveRings (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, of course the term dutch oven, to fart on someone under covers, relates to cooking witht his type of pot and is based on those mechanics. I don't see what the big deal is, but now there's a separate article on it so I guess it doesn't ahve to be mentioned here although that would have been a lot simpler. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch oven and farting

message: Poyke has minimal content, and was apparently written by someone who didn't know about the potjie section in this article. I propose merge and redirect. FiveRings (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Crickets.... 69.181.195.209 (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  merging Poyke 

message: The lead section says: "Another type of Dutch oven is the doufeu, as developed by Le Creuset. The doufeu has a concave lid, which is filled with ice during the cooking process."
There is no such word "doufeu" in English.  And perhaps no such word in French.  Many dictionaries here: http://www.onelook.com/?w=doufeu&ls=a
It appears to be a branding(?) attempt by the French company Le Creuset.  No other maker that I can find calls them a "doufeu."
I suggest those sentences either be removed or reworded and moved elsewhere as something like, The so-called self-basting dutch oven has a concave lid filled with ice, designed to drip condensed water back onto the cooking food.  While this variation might deserve mention, certainly not in the lead, and certainly not the term "doufeu," nor the company. 
There is also a wikipedia article "Doufeu" that I have argued there be deleted.  (It was seemingly originally written as an ad for Le Creuset  (I changed that yesterday.)) 
The generic object in question is a so-called self-basting Dutch oven. It has a concave lid which is filled with ice or cold water during the cooking process causing condensed water to form on dimples or spikes that drips onto the food (rather than say, to escape as steam).  The manufacturers claim this is self-basting, improves flavor, and other claims. (Water is not a basting liquid?)
definitions: baste …pour juices or melted fat over (meat) during cooking in order to keep it moist… 
def2 transitive verb - to moisten (as meat) at intervals with a liquid (as melted butter, fat, or pan drippings) especially during cooking  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.8.175 (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Doufeu" is not a real word. 

message: "Dutch ovens have been used as cooking vessels for literally millions of years." That paragraph in the main section is  vandalism, isn´t it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.249.246.161 (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Millions of years?, really? 

message: replaced one of the images on the article for an animated picture. I changed it back, because larger file size of animated picture makes page slower to load (and on this occasion the animation does not add to the understanding of the article).
According to WP:IUP#ANIM, "Inline animations should be used sparingly".
If others disagree with my assessment, I am happy to stand corrected!
Exotropic Snail (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  Thanks for the explanation. My personal opinion is, that wikipedia is extremely static compared to the direction the web is taking and having videos or animated images in articles is making the articles richer and less static. Other than that I made this gif specifically to spice up the article I don’t mind it not being there if this is the consensus ;-) Cheers, Amada44  talk to me 08:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi , thank you for making the gif! Sorry that it wasn't (IMO) quite right this time :-) Again, I am only one person, so I am happy to admit that I may be wrong, but I know that animations can impact on accessibility for people with slow internet connections. Thanks, Exotropic Snail (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated image of potjie 

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message: I removed the section title "Enameled ovens" on 13 Jan due to the absence of any sources for this section -- this change was reverted the same day by Ɱ, with the comment "well find some citations! valid content, shouldn't be rewritten."  However, this is incorrect. Per WP:V, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."  At my discretion, I chose to remove the uncited section due to my belief that the claim "However, they lose some of the other advantages of bare cast iron. For example, deep frying is usually not recommended in enameled ovens; the enamel coating is not able to withstand high heat, and is best suited for water-based cooking" is unverifiable -- in fact, the care and use section of Le Creuset's website states "With the exception of Grills, the enamel surface is not ideal for dry cooking. Your choice of liquid, oil, fat or butter should completely cover the base before heating begins. Do not leave the pan unattended, and do not allow a pan to boil dry, as this may permanently damage the enamel. For deep frying, the maximum oil level must not exceed 1/3 full. This depth allows sufficient height above the oil for it to rise once foods are added. An oil frying thermometer should be used for safety, and a lid should be readily available in case of overheating or flaring."
It is my belief that, without this content, the section is too short to merit including as-is.  Since it was removed for lack of citations, Ɱ was wrong to have restored it without providing an inline citation to a reliable source.  As such, I am reverting the revert, and will refer Ɱ to this section for further discussion
Waidawut (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Per WP:V, removing uncited section "Enameled ovens"