Talk:Controversies about the word niggardly

message: I corrected the etymology, going by this book. Previously we had misrepresented "niggla" as an Old Norse word, but that is instead a more modern Scandinavian version of the Old Norse "hnǫggr". This is the previously cited source that I removed: , it may still contain some valuable information if someone has access to it even though the etymology was a bit off. --213.220.68.114 (talk) 12:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not quite precise, either. The modern word is nigla 'to be stingy', specifically Norwegian, and probably the source of English (to) niggle. The Old Norse word is hnøggr and descends from Proto-Germanic *hnawwa-. It's not really clear how nigla (which is evidently not Old Norse because it would have to start in hn- then, if it related to hnøggr, that is) could be a derivation from hnøggr < *hnawwa-; it could (perhaps) only derive from an (unattested) Old Norse reflex of the Proto-Germanic verb *hnewwana-, with an -e- in the root. Unless, of course, hnøggr with its unexpected ø is instead itself a descendant from a Proto-Germanic adjective *hnewwa- with -e- rather than -a-; in dialects without the w-umlaut, it could have been **hniggr, and from a stem **(h)nigg-, a derivation like Modern Norwegian nigla is plausible indeed. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Norse etymology 

message: Should this be included? At first I thought it was his anachronistic explanation of Shakespearean language, a mistake an English teacher should be expected to not make, but apparently what a student and parents took offense at was that he went on to use the other word, multiple times.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/30/an-english-teacher-who-misexplained-niggardly-now-faces-hearing-keep-his-job/
:It all started last school year during a class reading of Shakespeare’s “Macbeth.”
:A student stumbled upon a line in the play that included the word “niggardly”. [Teacher Jim] Quinlisk paused the reading and started a class discussion about the word.... He told them “niggard” is related to the racial slur, and he allegedly said the n-word multiple times during the discussion.
It's not clear whether the kerfuffle is only due to the use of the racial epithet, although that only happened because of the teacher's response to the word "niggardly"  
: One student in the class, referred to as “student A”, and her mother complained to the school assistant principal. The student said she was uncomfortable and didn’t want to be in Quinlisk’s class anymore. The assistant principal testified and said the student was removed from the class. She also said no other students complained about the incident.
Or whether the teacher's doctrinal mistake, as the definition of the word was also addressed in the hearing on possible discipline/response:
:A professor from St. John Fisher College testified, and said the word does not have the same roots. She said Quinlisk taught it wrong.
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/brighton-teacher-accused-of-using-racial-slur-in-class/
Also, the WashPo article says: "In 2012, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D) was met with online controversy when he used the word on MSNBC to describe his fellow Congress members and their spending habits on veterans." Haven't had a chance to check up on that one.  Ileanadu (talk) 02:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once again the word trips someone up, but the problem identified was that he went on to use that other word, several times 

message: Dick Cavett used the term and got a playful angry reaction from Ali while interviewing him in 1974.     --rogerd (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Cavett interviewing Muhammad Ali 

message: Unless we include a reputable source that refers to this subject as a whole - that the word use is now highly controversial owing to these incidents - I would be inclined to view this article as violating WP:OR.
I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not claimed that the use of niggardly is controversial because of these incidents; the article simply documents controversies that occurred surrounding specific uses of the word.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: A hatnote should be added to handle the other n-word term, as  redirects here. This term is editfiltered, so someone with extended rights would need to add this hatnote. Please add:

You will note, that this can't even be properly spelled/requested, because of the edit filter. You will need to remove the spaces for the 6-letter word to make it work properly.
-- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 21:20, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . A hatnote wouldn't be helpful here. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 01:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the article is about that very confusion. If that is so, then, it is obvious that there be a hatnoe -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request: Hatnote

message: An off-wiki friend who is active in anti-racist work feels that this article fails :WP:NPOV, and that its tone is, "OMG, those poor people who just used a cromulent old word, or stumbled across it in Shakespeare." Comments? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Does your friend have any specific recommendations or suggestions? I don't see a lack of neutral representation of the sources, so it would be helpful if they could point out where we fail to do so. Schazjmd (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A person is reported, second hand, to find an article does not have adequately :WP:NPOV. That not automatically require a change in the article. A specific response could be considered if a specific point was cited. Wikipedia never has and never will never please everybody on the matter of neutrality. I am offended by the tone of some articles, but find that my opinion is dismissed. On we go... Pete unseth (talk) 14:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV concerns 

message: Seems like this may need to be settled through debate. do not commit fallacies or bias and keep it civil!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random kid who likes science (talk • contribs) 15:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logical debating 

message: Fun fact about english, and all languages, every single word has an exact unique meaning. A niggardly person isn't just "stingy" in general, but to be very specific to be niggardly means you give the absolute minimum required and not one iota more. As compared to a stingy person who is hesitant to give anything at all or a miser who gives little because he wants to have a lot. 67.177.112.52 (talk) 05:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Every single word has an exact unique meaning": obvious nonsense. I planted a rose. She rose from her chair. You seem to have invented your definition of "niggardly" too: I see your distinction in no published dictionary. 2A00:23C5:FE56:6C01:5C4B:B84D:3215:24D9 (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact meaning of niggardly