Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Archive 2

message: I've been thinking about having working groups/task forces for specific subtopics here.  These would be simpler and easier to set up than separate WikiProjects.  For example, many current members of this project are particularly interested in the military history of Korea.  Why not have a "milhist working group" where those editors can gather to discuss issues related to article improvement in that particular area?  Such a working group could also coordinate closely with the military-history project, to the benefit of both that project and this one.  I would also like to reconstitute the old SKCC project as a working group on South Korean geography.  Other areas I can think of that might be suitable for working groups are general housekeeping, North Korea, Korean cuisine -- each of these has a specific small group of editors who actively work in that area.  -- Visviva 13:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a good point.  I think for things like the Collaboration we should have only one (at least for the foreseeable future), so that we can focus our energies.  On the other hand, like Wikipedia itself, this project benefits from being as open as possible; we can best do that through cooperation that relates to individual users' specific interests.  Most people's field of interest only covers a small part of Coreana; that is especially true of our highest-quality contributors.  So I think we will serve our contributors, and Wikipedia, best, if we encourage the formation of working groups. -- Visviva 15:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working groups 

message: Hi, I've created a welcome message for new editors, here:  Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Welcome.  This is to be placed on the talk pages of editors who have not been welcomed, and is drawn from .  It could use some further customization, and perhaps a more prominent mention of this project.  A few lines in Korean wouldn't be a bad idea either.  At any rate, you can use it by typing  on the new user's talk page.  Cheers, -- Visviva 05:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome template 

message: The article for "Boxer" (임요환) is at Lim Yo-Hwan. The article says its Revised Romanization of Korean is "Im Yoh-wan". I can verify via machine translator that "Im Yoh-wan" is correct, but I am not sure why Lim Yo-Hwan is used as article title. Can someone tell me what should be the name used for the Wikipedia article (either based on his official English name or Wikipedia's Korean transliteration policy)? Thanks. --Voidvector 11:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good questions!  "Yoh-wan" is not correct.  The article (at least currently) doesn't say "Yoh-wan," it says "Yohwan," not indicating syllable breaks; RR allows you to put syllable breaks into a name by using a hyphen, in which case it would be "Yo-hwan."  As for Lim / Im...  unfortunately, no consistent scheme is used for Romanizing Korean names, and a lot of family names are rendered in very strange ways that represent older / less common pronunciations and spellings.  For instance, the "Roh" in Roh Moo-hyun is both spelled and pronounced "No" in Korean; there's no R or H.  It's a similar story with Lim and Lee.  Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) says to use Revised Romanization for South Koreans, unless there's a well-established English spelling.  That would indicate "Im Yo-hwan".  But if there are lots of English-language articles about him already that use a different spelling, you could choose to stick with that one.  --Reuben 18:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're making progress in that Koreans aren't generally writing their names out as though they had three, viz Lim Yo Hwan with the result that westerners will assume Hwan to ba a middle name and call Mr. Lim "Yo". Regarding Lim vs Im and Lee vs Yi, I think there are some regional differences in whether that initial L gets sounded. If I remember correctly, the more northern dialects will sound the L. The family name "roh/noh" is trickier. In both Korean and Japanese the r, l, and n are often indistinguishable to western ears - the Japanese word for an inn, ryokan, is a good example. And I think the 'h' in 'Roh' is simply to clarify the sound of the 'o'. --Dan 18:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: "Lim" is the most common rendering of the family name 임.  If you polled people with this family name, it's a safe bet that at least 80% of them would spell it that way.  (The situation is similar to the much more common name Lee, properly romanized "I").  For a bit more detail, see the article at Lin (surname).  From a cursory Googling of "Lim Yo-hwan -wikipedia" vs. "Im Yo-hwan -wikipedia," it appears that the "Lim" version of this gamer's name is about 10 times more common than the "Im" version.  -- Visviva 09:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lim Yo-Hwan name convention 

message: Endroit are trying to remove some part of the article in Joseonsa Pyeonsuhoe even though it is cited article. I wish somebody help me to progress the article about Joseonsa Pyeonsuhoe(조선총독부의 조선사편수회). --Hairwizard91 21:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Reorganization Agent of Korean History#Samguk Yusa, regarding the Simplified Chinese character  on the left side of :Image:Hwanin hwanguk.jpg.  Could this character have been used in the 13th century original version of Samguk Yusa?  Please comment.--Endroit 21:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just describe it based on the article of Korea Britanica encyclopedia. You seems to do  original research. --Hairwizard91 22:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 조선총독부의 조선사편수회 [[Joseonsa Pyeonsuhoe]]

message: I've added some content to the Military history working group. There is already a lot of military history in the Korean history working group, up through the Joseon dynasty. Therefore, it seems natural to put 20th century items, especially Korean War-related articles, under military history. There are a few requests for translation on the page now, if anybody's interested in a place to get started. --Reuben 20:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great!  The exact line between hist and milhist needs to be worked out, but I don't think we should limit the Milhist group entirely to 20th-century stuff; many project members also have an interest in earlier Korean military history, particularly the Imjin War ... both Korean War and earlier-history aficionados could no doubt benefit from a bit of intellectual cross-pollination. :-)   As this goes forward, I hope we can also establish good relations with Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history.  Anyway, thanks for getting the group started.  I am a certified K-E translator, so I will try to help out with those translation requests (if nobody gets to them first); however, that should probably wait until I finish the city & county articles for /DPRK.  Cheers, -- Visviva 12:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Military history

message: I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but there's been a series of Japanese vandalism on many articles that have led to page protection. This has happened to Korea, Kofun period, Joseon Dynasty have been protected recently, and similar thing has happened to Korea under Japanese rule, Battle of Myeongnyang, and I'm sure others.
It looks like we have the same combination of original research, Japanese nationalism, anonymous IP's, mangled English, and revert battling, now at Korean-Japanese disputes.  Please help revert the vandalism. Maybe protecting this page too is the only answer.
::What kinds of editing did occur. It is hard to find because of too much editing in there. Can you summarize it ?--Hairwizard91 15:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Room218 does not participate in the discussion at all. And, you reject all sources. However, all users who do not follow your opinion are repelled. If you escape from the discussion, and the edit battle is agitated, it will make big hatred in Japan and Korea. It wishes you to participate in TalkPage. --211.131.78.232 12:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And You Make an ID if You Want Real Discussion--Hairwizard91 14:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: To be brutally frank, anonymous edit warrior, your command of English is not sufficient for a meaningful discussion.  --Reuben 21:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help 

message: Could someone maybe clean up this page so that it's more newbie-friendly? There are a lot of people adding their names, but I don't see much project activity (maybe I haven't found the right place to look?)
The long list of template boxes is distracting, and their purpose is not clear. Also, combine the "Articles that need improvement" heading with the "To do" table? Is this page just a to-do list, or is there a target article or topic? Goguryeo 19:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this up, I'll do a little tidying if nobody beats me to it.  The alternative templates should probably go to Template talk:WikiProject Korea; the two headings should definitely be merged (more specifically, the article listings should be added to /To_do).  There is a target article, currently Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598), although I'm afraid things have been a little slow there thus far.  For other collaborations, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Working groups ... I note that the "History" group has yet to be started; perhaps you'd like to give it a shot?  -- Visviva 06:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project page organization 

message: Because Silla could not ruler over all the territory of the Three kingdoms of Korea, and Balhae controlled the territory of destroyed Goguryeo, it cannot be said to be "unified silla". So, the term is now changed into "North South Period" by the schollars. In order to reflect on the current trends of historians, the term of Unified Silla should be moved to Silla in North South PeriodTalk:Unified_Silla. Please participate the discussion. --75.49.2.82 20:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Join the discussing for the correct name of Unified Silla

message: Another anonymous Japanese IP address is working with User:Jjok to delete relevant introductory summary from Korea under Japanese rule. Please put these types of articles on your watchlist, although I realize a lot of people are off to their Thanksgiving vacations right now. Room218 18:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More anonymous Japanese IP 

message: Perhaps other WikiProject members can add some insights here?  Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Family name categories  The question is over whether it is appropriate to have categories organizing people by family name only.  -- Visviva 08:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD note 

message: Please join a working group. It will greatly improve any Korean related articles with knowledable editors in each field. Thank you for being part of Wikiproject Korea! Good friend100 00:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To all of the editors on Wikiproject Korea 

message: Please have a look at Brown's gas and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brown's gas (2nd nomination)
* http://www.browngas.com/ (website of B.E.S.T. KOREA CO.,LTD)
Related AfDs and some discussions at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry#Strange_set_of_articles. We are suspecting that this technology is totally bogus and the companies are only existing to to collect money from uninformed investors. Anyway, Wikipedia isn't a stock market watchdog, but in addition the entire business would be rather non-notable.
The creator of the articles is repeatedly assuring that B.E.S.T. KOREA CO.,LTD is a respected, big company in Korea, and its boosting of Brown's gas would make it notable.
Pjacobi 10:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, debate has been closed as delete. -- Visviva 02:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you give input on seriousity and relevance of Korean company? 

message: The French Wikipedia article for Baekdu Mountain, most likely written by a Chinese person, is VERY BIAS. Could someone who speaks French please fix the page up?French Wikipedia Article . Thanks --DandanxD 10:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try asking someone in the Portal:France if there is a portal for France. Or, look up all the french speaking people through babel. Good friend100 03:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BAEKDUSAN 

message: Hi, I have taken a stab at assessing the importance and priority level of some of the sites currently listed under the category of archaeological sites in Korea, for example, Pungnap Toseong, Anapji, and Heavenly Horse Tomb and others. I tried to adhere to the standards set for the development of Korean-related articles. Please confirm when you get the chance. Mumun 22:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  I rerated a couple of those as stubs, since they had fewer than 3 full paragraphs.  I think we should be fairly strict that articles don't reach level C ("start") until they are of plausible length and cite at least one reliable source... although I notice "less than three paragraphs" is no longer part of the official definition of a stub, so perhaps we should reconsider the line between classes E and D.  Our assessment scheme is still in its infancy, so any feedback is welcome.  -- Visviva 07:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  korean archaeological sites assessments 

message: Hi all,
I've created a standard set of navigational icons, see Template:Korea icons.  Hopefully this will help in the process of creating a structure here that is clear, robust & inviting.  The advantage of putting this all in one template is that when we want to change one icon for another, we only need to edit that single template.  You can see the current icon set in use in various places, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Navigation and Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Working groups.  The working group icons are less than ideal, but were the best I could come up with; if anyone has some good free PNGs or GIFs of iconic Coreana, please upload them.  
I also created Template:Korea sidebar as a compact version of /Navigation, but am not happy with the look.  If you can make it better, please do.  Happiness -- Visviva 07:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icon set 

message: Hi folks, 
I've stubbed out a little thing I call the redlist.  The idea of this is to be as comprehensive as possible a list of encyclopedic Korea-related topics for which we do not yet have articles.  This will hopefully get around the problems of both the to-do list (space constraints) and the old "complete to-do list" (too many different kinds of tasks, no topical breakdown).  We'll see...
The list is broken down by working group, with a section (currently empty!) for uncreated articles without an associated working group.  The section for each working group is actually housed at "(group name)/Redlist", and transcluded to the main list.  For example, the DPRK redlist is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/DPRK/Redlist.    Each sublist should probably also be transcluded to the working-group page.  Note that the Military history WG's situation is a little different, due to the need for cross-compatibility with the military history project.
Please feel free to add everything you can think of to these lists.  Cheers, -- Visviva 06:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats awesome! Will this be a replacement for the todo list on the wikiproject right now? Its very practical to categorize the missing and attention-needing articles. Good friend100 20:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redlist 

message: There's a brand new editor at work on Korean G-7:  it came to my attention when s/he incorrectly added it to WP:FA.  Can anyone here help orient the new editor and tidy up the article, including adding categories?  I tried to do some cleanup, but the content is out of my territory.  Thanks, Sandy (Talk) 19:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I'll see if I can help. Good friend100 20:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, friend.  Also, the image appears to be a copyvio, incorrectly loaded up to Commons - can you follow the links there and doublecheck on the Korean website it appears to have been taken from?  Thanks again, Sandy (Talk) 21:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Korean G-7]]

message: Since both South Korea and North Korea agreed to include Dokdo on the Unification Flag, could someone upload the updated flag? Thank you! --DandanxD 10:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we know what it will actually look like yet? -- Visviva 13:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has a slightly better picture of the new flag, still dokdo is barly, but at least, visible.  — Luccas 02:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Korean Unification Flag]] 

message: I took upon myself to create a separate article for the South Korean won used between 1945 and 1953. And I've edited  accordingly so that it doesn't link twice to South Korean won. I also took the liberty of raising the assessment rating of South Korean won from B to A, since alot of work has been put on it recently.
I haven't been a wikipedian for long so I'd like if someone else could review South Korean won, as I think it may have attained Good Article status by now. I just don't feel comfortable nominating an article after I've done some major contributions to it. — Luccas 04:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the article and you did a great job on it. Could there be more information on the history part? Or is the section short because of the only 50 year old Korean bank? Apart from that, I think it is excellent enough for "Good article" Good friend100 00:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[South Korean won (old)]]

message: The recent photo of HSR-350x has been deleted, or will be deleted due to the copy right violation. Can Anybody can take a private photo of HSR-350x and upload in Wikipedia? The Korean G-7 needs an image for HSR-350x.
Please come into my talk page if you are interested. --Kingj123 19:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I looked over the article. If no one else uploads a personal image, we will have to wait until next summer because next summer I will be going to Korea and get everything that you could get on all the Korean articles. I am very hopeful but also sad at the fact I have to wait like 9 more months. -_- Good friend100 00:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help [[User: Kingj123]]

message: The first hwan printed in 1953 by the US Government Printing Office all have their horizontal hangul and hanja  incriptions written right to left (as seen here :Image:100 hwan 021753 obverse.jpg). We all know korean is written left to right (western way) and pre-20th century text were written verticaly top to bottom, right to left (chinese way). But has anyone ever seen another example of korean written right to left, or could this be a mistake from the Printing Office? All following notes printed by KOMSEP, including the ones issued just 1 month after the american printed ones are all written left to right. — Luccas 00:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just worked on translating a part of the text at  and it says (if I translated right) that the reason the terms "won" and "원" are inscribed on the hwan notes is because of the quick need for new notes, the change in currency, and commissioning a foreign corporation to print the notes. These propably are the same reasons why the writing are reversed. See South Korean hwan/References for the text and translation. — Luccas 03:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Right to left written korean?

message: As many of you members have noticed, talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute shows another case of sock puppetry of users who had much potentials for contributing to Wikipedia. 
Many productive users such as Appleby, Room218, Korealist, etc. have all been banned because of their misconducts. I don't like it at all, and it makes Koreans look bad whenever somebody associated with Korea get caught for honor violations. (Wikimachine 03:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock puppetry 

message: The article is really confusing and hard to follow, I'd appreciate it if somebody would stop by and try to sort it out. --AW 15:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Goryeo-Khitan Wars]] 

message: Could someone kindly drop by Korean Mountaineering League, and evaluate whether or not it meets the inclusion criteria for organizations?  See the talk page for details on why I doubt both its notability and my own judgment, and please direct any responses there.  Thanks! -- Visviva 15:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article basically ignores domestic Korean environmental efforts that have the same goal, and the bit at the end about "trash strewn mountains" is a bit much. The tone has the potential to appear disrespectful. I think your concerns on the talk page are valid. I recently dealt with a fellow who was embittered toward Changwon and acted out by erasing complimentary text and adding inflamatory text on the Changwon article about "trash strewn waterways", etc. Mumun 21:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second opinion 

message: I suggest a Korean flag on the WP:KO opening page. 
As for the Korean military, we will need some help. An organizational structure of ancient and modern ROK forces will be helpful. 
Who is the founder of Wikiproject Korea? 
Oyo321 16:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which Korean flag, a South Korean flag is biased because it won't represent North Korea (not that North Korea would even care). Good friend100 16:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Great Korean flag is not a source of bias. Considering an imminent reunification after the wretched dog, Kim Jong Il, the Korean flag will probably continue in use. If it is truly a problem, then I suggest an insertion of both ROK and NPRK flags. The unification flag is a choice as well. Oyo321 16:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Purely out of curiosity, what does this Great Korean flag look like, and what is its history? When I search for Flag of Korea, all I get are the North & South Korean flags, and the unification flag. LordAmeth 19:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-entry

message: I also suggest a new section honoring Korean participation and success in international competitions such as the Olympics, World Cup, Asian Games (most recently Doha), and WCG. Thank you. Oyo321 16:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-entry

message: Please see the discussion about Hansung Machinery Co., a Korean company, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Korea. Some of the other articles listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mirmo%21 might also benefit from review by additional editors. If you can improve any of these articles, please do so. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean companies at AfD 

message: :Full discussion in Talk:Goguryeo-China wars.
Yug has renamed Goguryeo-Sui Wars to Goguryeo-China Wars, because he wants to include later Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo, which I think is really a separate war. It doesn't make sense, because if you call it Goguryeo-China Wars, the article should include all wars between Goguryeo and China, including the wars against the Four Han Colonies, all the way through Goguryeo's fall. The article as-is, is not about that, it's really about the war between Goguryeo and the Sui Dynasty, which itself is a major, specific topic that should have its own article. If he wants to create another article on the Tang-Silla invasions of Baekje-Goguryeo, that's fine, but don't hijack an existing article on a different topic. Please see and say what you think about it. Thank you. OpieNn 19:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I seen It. I suspect Pro-korean position but that also may be an user with more knowledge than me. Please go to the main talk page. Every opinion are welcome. Yug (talk) 20:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goguryeo-Sui Wars or Goguryeo-China Wars ?

message: A number of themes (e.g., rails, Germany) have worked on rating the importance of topics.  I think we could do this for Korean topics.  To help us, I have reworded a form used for rails and Germany.  Please fill in examples and make any changes you feel are needed.  There is a difference in what is considered a city  in Korea and in Germany.  Thus, Nonsan in Korea is considered almost a village and (other than its role as home of a training camp for draftees and its role in Paekje history) negligible whereas a city of comparable size (about 130,000) in Germany would be classed at least at mid. So maybe the community criteria should be changed.
Label	Criteria                                                                                                                                  	Reader's experience                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    	Editor's experience                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	Example
     	The article is one of the core topics concerning Korea.  Generally, this is limited to those articles that are listed on                  	A reader who does not have a personal or professional connection with Korea will none-the-less have high familiarity with the subject matter and should be able to relate to the topic easily. Communities: large and internationally famous cities such as Seoul as well as smaller communities of international fame.	Articles in this importance range are written in mostly generic terms, leaving technical terms and descriptions for more specialized pages.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	Korea
     	The article covers a topic that is vital to understanding the history, social, cultural, religious, or economic aspects of Korea.         	Most readers will at least be familiar with the topic being discussed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 	These articles describe the basics beyond the core topics about Korea and the more significant historical events in and concerning Korea.  Articles about the most basic topics concerning Korea, its history and geography, like mountain ranges, rivers, states, and the most historically and culturally significant topics are included in this level.  Some technical terms can be used within articles in this range, but where they are used, they should be explained or at least link to articles that discuss the terms in more detail. Communities:  Towns with a population of over 100,000 not qualifying for a higher rating.	Korean War?
     	The article covers a topic that has a strong but not vital role in the history, social, cultural, religious, or economic aspects of Korea.	Many readers will be familiar with the topic being discussed, but a larger majority of readers may have only cursory knowledge of the overall subject.                                                                                                                                                                 	Articles at this level will cover subjects that are well known but not necessarily vital to understand Korea, its history and culture.  Due to the topics covered at this level, Mid-importance articles will generally have more technical terms used in the article text.  Communities: most towns of any real significance that do not qualify at a higher level (default).                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Taejeon ? (or should it be higher, as it would be for Germany?). Buyo
     	The article is not required knowledge for a broad understanding of Korea or Korea history.                                                	Few readers not specifically concerned with Korea or Korean affairs or who are not within the local area of the article's topic may be familiar with the subject matter.  It is likely that the reader does not know anything at all about the subject before reading the article.                                     	Articles at this range of importance will often delve into the minutiae of Korea, using technical or local terms (and defining or explaining them) as needed.  Topics included at this level include most subway and local railway stations, short line railroad companies, small rivers, almost all individual mountains and other items that otherwise have no significant impact on Korea as a whole or its reputation.  Communities:  most suburbs, dormitory towns, villages and other settlements of purely local significance.                                                                                                      	Korean swords
:Please feel free to edit and improve Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Importance.  But I would strongly disagree that a second-level subdivision such as Nonsan can be described as a "village," and in fact have been in the habit of rating all such divisions (North and South) as "medium."   --   Visviva 16:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry.  I didn't mean to re-invent the wheel.  (My comment on Nonsan was just a reflection of what Koreans here in Nonsan tell me.  If consensus is that it should be medium, I am more than amenable to that rating.) Kdammers 06:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance ratings

message: Anyone else born in Waegwan? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.149.220.161 (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I worked there for a year.  Does that count?  ;-) -- Visviva 16:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I was born in Waegwan 

message: Is there one like Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation and Wikipedia:WikiProject China/Translation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dangerous-Boy (talk • contribs) 12:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  korean translations workgroup? 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Happy New Year everyone! We've made much progress since the project's formation a few months ago! Good friend100 made a lot of efforts to create this WikiProject, and don't forget the Korean Portal made by Visviva. The project now contains 36 members! (I thought there were less b/c not all people put the userbox in their user page). Good luck! (Wikimachine 00:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy new year to you too and everyone else in Wikipedia. Good luck on accomplishing your new year's resolutions. =) Good friend100 05:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy New Year! 

message: I happened to check on WikiProject Japan's todo list & our WikiProject's todo list seemed like a carelessly designed inferior product.
I made use of the todo list for the Korea Portal & it is way too long. 
Just like WikiProject Japan's todo list, I think that we need to give links instead of showing the requests for new, improve, etc...  (Wikimachine 06:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems wise; I agree the time has come for some general reorganization & house-cleaning. -- Visviva 08:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not categorize the todo list in each of the working groups so editors can focus on what they like best? I like your suggestions too. Good friend100 16:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's get on it! (Wikimachine 16:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo list

message: A discussion about copyright infringement on the drawing of the HSR-350x ([image here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HSR350x.JPG]) is going on at Robth's discussion page. Could you guys take a look at it. Thanks. (Wikimachine 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HSR350x image 

message: I am stunned that as a whole, Wikipedia has no article on Chosun Heavy Industries Co. Ltd. This is a ship manufacturing company of Korea. It currently is the leader in manufacturing ships in the world. I have started on the article. Oyo321 22:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find it. (Wikimachine 04:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's here:  Chosun Heavy Industries Co. Ltd..  Special:Prefixindex is a wonderful thing... :-) -- Visviva 15:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Work

message: Hi, I recently wrote the Yi Ui-Bang article, and I would appreciate it if someone looked over and revised it and assist me in finding more sources to add to the article. Thanks.
Darkstyx 14:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yi Ui-Bang

message: Hello all. I am working on filling in the "state leaders by year" and "colonial governors by year" lists.. my question is this: How should I represent Korea as a Japanese colony? "Chōsen" is the term used by Japan at the time, but it's also more or less just the Japanese word for Korea. So, Chōsen or Korea? Thank you. LordAmeth 18:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say Korea, since Korea under Japanese rule calls it Korea and not Chōsen... and because it's on the English wikipedia, not Japanese.  Oncamera 18:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree and anyways, although many Koreans under Japanese rule called themselves "Chosun" the Chosun Dynasty already ended in 1910. Good friend100 20:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial governors by year 

message: A very belated Happy New Year to everyone...I noticed that the History of Japan box includes Jomon, a prehistoric period. I wonder if the Korean History box that appears down the right side of many articles could be adjusted to include Prehistoric Korea? --Mumun 13:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems a sensible adjustment. -- Visviva 15:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  adjust Korean History box? 

message: I want to let everyone know that the Dave's ESL Cafe article has been tagged for deletion.  It has just been tagged with a proposed deletion tag; it doesn't seem that it will go through with a formal AfD process.  Thoughts are welcome on the article's talk page.  --MerkurIX(이야기하세요!)(투고) 09:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Propsed deletions on the list

message: How about this: If another WikiProject already has an article graded, WikiProject Korea should not separately give a grade to the article. 
For many reasons:
*Courtesy: we must respect others' viewpoints. Grading a B-article as start quality or unstable would be seen as an insult (It's like, we have much higher expectations of articles than other projects).
*Time: there are so many articles not graded. Why have an article graded twice?
*Controversy: I could see a lot go on if WikiProject Japan graded the article Dokdo or Korea-Japan disputes as "worst" (etc.) while WikiProject Korea gave A-class quality to those articles. People would definitely think, "Hmm, there must be a lot of KPOV in there - that's why WikiProject Korea grade them so highly." (Wikimachine 20:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy on grading articles 

message: Can anyone take a look at my article and revise it if needed? Thank you. Darkstyx 00:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Im Gyeong Eop]]

message: the  template seems to dominate, and already that covers for both the portal and WP:KO. So, why not delete the original template made by Good friend100? (Wikimachine 22:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the new one is better =). Good friend100 22:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: I'm concerned about a couple of editors, followers of this man, who seem to be convinced the other editors are just trying to defame Jung Myung Seok (talk) out of hate and therefore are refusing to work with us. I don't mind them editing, but one user in particular, Uptional, seems to be especially disruptive. He has now added a NPOV label to the article saying the other editors are biased (without giving specific examples of what needs to be fixed on the article), which I suspect is to discredit the article and draw attention to his POV which he put on the talk page. The user has also done many other disruptive things. So someone coming in and commenting would be appreciated (or helping build up the article). Literally followers of this man are taught that people who criticize him are "satans", so it's making it hard for followers and non-followers of Jung to work together because of this mindset, since the criticism (as well as negative facts) have to be added for completeness. There's also a bit of emotion flying around on both sides, as obviously all editors are very passionate about the issue. Thanks, RB972 05:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment for [[Jung Myung Seok]] 

message: As an island claimed by the Republic of Korea, I propose that Wikiproject:Korea add this territorial dispute article to project:Korea. Darkstyx 21:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Socotra Rock]] 

message: There recently has been an editing war between various users in the article Koreans with regards to related ethnic groups and whehter or not the relatedness info box should remain. I would like to ask the Korean Wikipedia Project community to participate in building a consensus in these disputed matters as to provide a resolution. The article also needs a lot of work up. Any participation would be appreciated. Cydevil 23:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing wars in [[Koreans|Koreans]] 

message: Can I add this project tag to pages about South Korean films I create pages for ?  --Jackaranga 16:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you could/should add it to the talk pages, since The King and the Clown does. oncamera(t) 16:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok thanks :-)  --Jackaranga 17:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about pages I can add this tag to 

message: I just created a new template for Foreign relations of South Korea . Please help to improve it and place it in related articles. Articles on South Korea-Russia relations and North Korea-South Korea relations need to be created. OpieNn 18:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job with the template! I found out that the Korea-Russia relations article is considered for deletion. Good friend100 21:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign relations of South Korea 

message: (Read this if you can understand Korean.)
제 생각에는 , , ,  그리고  혹은  비슷한 template들이  을 대체해야 합니다.
중국 관련 문서들(예를 들어 Confucius, China.)은 물론 일본 관련 문서들(예를 들어 Japan, Anime.)도 이름상자를 버리고 문서 안에서 원어이름을 표기하고 있습니다. 하물며, 어떤 사물 혹은 사람이, 여러 언어의 이름을 가지지 않은 이상(Baekdu Mountain, Ten thousand years, Tofu.),  의 사용은 무의미합니다. 또, 보기에도 안 좋습니다.--JSH-alivetalk to mesee my worksmail to me 10:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would appreciate a translation, if someone wouldn't mind. If we are to discuss the benefits and faults of templates, Project policy, or other policies, it would be good if all could participate. LordAmeth 12:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Summary: Instead of using infoboxes to write down the Hangul et al. versions of names, they should be written inline in the text itself using the templates listed above, similarly to what is done in the Japanese and Chinese pages. Chungyc 02:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be a long "sentence" to list the hangul, hanja, and the two different methods of romanization (while distinguishing which is which)? And how needlessly long would it take to go through every article which has the template and change it? oncamera(t) 02:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Thank you for the summary. God, Babelfish is awful. I agree with Oncamera. This is a problem not only for Korean articles, with the two forms of romanization and the two writing systems (hangul and hanja), but also even moreso for articles whose subjects have different names in Japanese, Korean, Chinese, or even other languages like Okinawan. Explaining all of that out (even just the Korean) in-line in the article takes up too much space and doesn't look nice. I'm all for the infobox as we have it now - might be better if it can be modified to be more inclusive of other languages as well. Or, as an alternate solution, sometimes I simply push a lot of the linguistic information down to the footnotes. LordAmeth 10:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a fan of the infoboxes.  If you want to know how the name is written in hangul and hanja, it's all there in a consistent and well-organized way; on the other hand, most of the readers won't know any Korean, so it's good to have all of the different versions of every name out of the way so it doesn't break up the text.  It would be a reasonable option to give Korean names in the text, with hangul only; for names that are only mentioned, and don't have their own articles with infoboxes, that's fine.  But I would not want to get rid of the current infoboxes.  --Reuben 18:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the infoboxes, too. I think that inserting the Korean or Sino-Korean text into the article copy would inhibit the flow of articles. It might be good to think about the readers who have no exposure at all to Korean and have no MS IME installed in their PCs. Mumun 21:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I continue to like the infobox much better. In-line language elements really clog things up and look unattractive, and this becomes even more of a problem when other languages are added. For some topics, it's relevant to include up to three or four or even more languages... it would be great if they could all be seen in an infobox over to the side. I know I've seen a few articles which have Chinese, Korean, and Japanese in one infobox... does anyone know the name for the template? LordAmeth 16:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with LordAmeth for the same points on the info box.  And I think editors make the table themselves if there's more than one language... but I'm not sure. oncamera(t) 03:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  이름 template 

message: ========
A Korean personal name consists of a family name followed by a given name.   Both of these are usually composed of hanja, which are Chinese characters in Korean pronunciation.  Hanja are no longer used officially in North Korea, and their use in given names is restricted to 5,038 characters in South Korea.
====A replacement idea====
A Korean personal name () consists of a family name followed by a given name.   Both of these are usually composed of hanja, which are Chinese characters in Korean pronunciation.  Hanja are no longer used officially in North Korea, and their use in given names is restricted to 5,038 characters in South Korea.
--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 07:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I continue to like the infobox much better. In-line language elements really clog things up and look unattractive, and this becomes even more of a problem when other languages are added. For some topics, it's relevant to include up to three or four or even more languages... it would be great if they could all be seen in an infobox over to the side. I know I've seen a few articles which have Chinese, Korean, and Japanese in one infobox... does anyone know the name for the template? LordAmeth 16:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with LordAmeth for the same points on the info box.  And I think editors make the table themselves if there's more than one language... but I'm not sure. oncamera(t) 03:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Showdown! which is looks Better

message: A Korean personal name () consists of a family name followed by a given name.   Both of these are usually composed of hanja, which are Chinese characters in Korean pronunciation.  Hanja are no longer used officially in North Korea, and their use in given names is restricted to 5,038 characters in South Korea.
--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 07:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I continue to like the infobox much better. In-line language elements really clog things up and look unattractive, and this becomes even more of a problem when other languages are added. For some topics, it's relevant to include up to three or four or even more languages... it would be great if they could all be seen in an infobox over to the side. I know I've seen a few articles which have Chinese, Korean, and Japanese in one infobox... does anyone know the name for the template? LordAmeth 16:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with LordAmeth for the same points on the info box.  And I think editors make the table themselves if there's more than one language... but I'm not sure. oncamera(t) 03:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A replacement idea

message: I see very little anywhere on Wikipedia describing Korean castles or fortresses, as a stylistic whole, or individually. Certainly they existed, and certainly many are still extant, no? Wikipedia:WikiProject Castles has recently come into existence, and could use the help of experts on Korea to expand Wikipedia's coverage of castles and fortresses around the world. Thank you. LordAmeth 12:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I agree. There are many fortresses in Korea. We need more on these impressive and historical features, e.g. 왜성. Many of the Korean examples are not so much like classic European castles, though. Most consist of walls or remains of walls that snake around the tops of mountain ridges and most have few architectural features inside, e.g. castle keep, etc. --Mumun 21:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean castles 

message: An Editor deleted all of the Edits on War Crimes and Cover-up efforts of Imperial Japan.
Also I can't get the 1910 Arguments and interp Title to show it's there but it does not show up in the Sandbox or on the Actual Article. Assistance would be appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Easternknight (talk • contribs) 03:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with Korea Under Japanese Rule 

message: These guys are travelling around Asia filming a documentary about Wikipedia.. I spent today with them and they're really cool, if anybody has time tomorrow (Monday 19 Feb) and would be interested in meeting up with them and chatting about Wikipedia, please contact them immediately, as below. Nice one...
What's up?  My name is Nic Hill and I'm directing a documentary film about Wikipedia.  I am following Jimmy Wales around the world and documenting the movement.
I'll be in Seoul from feb 17th to feb 19th. if you would be interested in meeting up when we come to town or if you know any Korean Wikipedians who might be interested please get in touch. So far we have filmed at Wikimania 2006, Tokyo, and Hong Kong.
Please take a look at our movie trailer... http://www.underdogpictures.com/wikidoc/wikienter.htm
Thank you for your time.  Please contact me if you are interested in being a part of this documentary film.
-Nic Hill
director
nic@underdogpictures.com
Deiz talk 12:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia documentary 

message: Hey everyone, I started an article on Gwanghwamun. I was surprised that none existed.  Anywho, feel free to improve it.Bethereds 20:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gwanghwamun

message: WP:KOREA redirects to the project page, while WP:Korea redirects to the notice board.  Is anyone regularly using the latter?  It's used in less than ten pages and it's easy confuse the two redirects, so I think WP:Korea should be deleted or redirected to the project page instead. YooChung 04:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:Korea redirect