Talk:Halo 2/Archive 1

message: Joe: I hope I am responding to this correctly. Anyway I will be editing the section of this article that is dedicated to the naysayers of H2. What I have done is in quotation marks: Toned down pistol.  In Halo CE the M6D pistol was an exceedingly skillful sidearm that required precise aim in order for it to kill in 3 shots to the head of the character models in Halo CE ( "but the pistol could still be defeated by the assault rifle, sniper rifle,...etc." ). In Halo 2, however, the pistol appears to be a support weapon of dubious functionality.
:Also, while I am a Halo 2 fan; I do not want the anti-h2 fans from halo2sucks.com to get offended. No one should be alienated.
:EDIT By Joe: I just decided that once I set up an account here, I will create an article for H2sucks.com. But like I said before; "No one should be alienated".
:: NOTE: I edited out some unnecessary whitespace in the above. Hope that's okay- it helps the page. Anyway, not only should 'no one be offended' but the article as a whole should maintain the coveted level of NPOV (non-point of view) that users should expect as a community. The 1>2 debate is a hotbed of POV, and needs to be avoided. Suggestion: Trim the section. Mention a few points, and add in that healthy dose of "these complaints focus on competitive gamers" at the end (most people who favor 1>2 arguments engage in a more competitive gaming style, as seen from surges such as ones asking for Major League Gaming -approved playlists be added). I say leave the 1>2 section as more of a snippet, and let the complaints be merely from people who wish they could use the space to rant more. That's clear-cut NPOV.
-Are you saying anyone who wants to, can have their opinion on wikipedia?  Because last I checked that is not how wikipedia works.  
Why don't we list all the things people do like about Halo 2 as long as were listing all the things people don't like.  It only seems fair.-David
: Read up on NPOV.  Wikipedia isn't about opinions at all, and the 1>2 part doesn't meet NPOV at all as it stands. Lines like "anyone that thinks this is not very observant" keep pushing the idea that this section needs to be deleted, now and forever. No matter how long this section exists, it never moves any closer to becoming NPOV. Until someone can set down, and create a section that is both BRIEF [section is unnecessarily long- give the general idea and move on] and NPOV, we should all move to get rid of this section. gspawn 05:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction for the "1>2" section.

message: It appears at least that Cortana has motivations that aren't entirely clear and may in fact be above and beyond her programming.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Cortana's programming let her do anything she wants as long as it doesn't interfere with her mission objectives.  As far as I know, talking with Gravemind isn't against her mission. --sfackler 03:46, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
:This whole rampancy issue strikes me as pure speculation, two events in Halo 2 are supposed to support this, number one the event at the end of the first level's final cutscene where cortana says "Unfortunately for us, I like crazy!", when I first saw this it didn't look like an AI going rampant at all, but rather the classical "but there are 500 of them" -"bring 'em on!" line often used in action movies. Number two is the end cutscene with the gravemind, this to me looks a bit suspecious and looks to set the scene for something big in Halo 3, however I don't think those two events should be linked togather at all as the first one looks like normal un-rampant dialog (I'm unable to find mention of event one in either article now, perhaps it was removed.) –Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason] 15:19, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
::Cortana is not your normal AI. You'll fully understand if you read the books. Cortana loves to share information depending on what it is. In her current situation she's left with the Gravemind and its asking her question. So she would be more than willing to answer the questions. But again, we cannot jump to conclusions about it. She may answer all of the graveminds questions, or she may not. we do not know what happens...... yet. We will just have to wait and see. (--> originally posted by User:152.163.100.139. He seems to have inadvertantly deleted the previous comments under this heading, so I've fixed them. --NormanEinstein 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Rampancy is a vital part of the Bungie storyline associated with both this title and the marathon series, since this is the case that makes the speculation important and as Wikipedia's nature leads it to be changed constantly then speculation (which also changes constantly) has a place here. am i right ? or have i put my foot in its proverbial place? f1r3r41n 14:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cortana: Rampant? 

message: This feature is included in the Arbiter's armor, though its effect only lasts a few seconds, and the Envy Skull enables the Master Chief to cloak as well in Campaign mode. The powerup is not available in Campaign (the Arbiter can activate it for a short time), and the built-in generator is not available in Multiplayer.
Must be a bullshit rumor, I've never heard of it and never seen it (and I've beaten the game on Heroic).  --Kade 05:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: I have some concern that the style of some part of this article is really not suitable for an encyclopedia, e.g.: "This is crazy. I have only beaten one level on this setting." (not in a 3rd person role and even involves the author's experience itself without being clear whether this is representative). --Ylai 09:55, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. I'm going to clean this up a little and make it more professional. --Khaim 19:08, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style Concern 

message: First, make sure information on this page is from the actual game, not from rumors and hype prior to the game's release.
Second, this page should be an impartial view of the game. Personal feelings about the worth of the game, the difficulty of the game, etc, should not be here. Save that for your blog.
Third, this page is rather large, and should be broken down into component pages. This is a pretty serious job, and I'm not sure if I'll have time to do it right in the near future. If someone wants to tackle this, go ahead. Just make sure you move information; don't delete large paragraphs unless they become redundant, in which case keep the best one. And link to new pages, of course. Note that we already have List of vehicles in the Halo universe and List of weapons in the Halo universe pages, although both could use some work.
Finally, try to avoid rampant use of spoilers. It's okay, and necessary, for the story section, but you can do the entire rest of the article without spoiling anything. Do that.
--Khaim 13:41, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Guidelines 

message: Most of the information on new maps has been removed. I reckon it's important to have it in the article here, rather than shoving all the information on updates and downloadable maps in the Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack article. --Sockatume 16:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox Live content 

message: Hey gamers, i'm considering if i should purchase Halo 1 on PC since Xbox version is awesome, while PC version got 8/10 at gamespot.com which ain't bad. Not only would i enjoy playing halo because it'll remind me of the good ol' days playing at my allies' parties 4-player style! I also wanna prepare my skill for shooting-games. Anywayz, isn't Halo 2 coming out on PC or not?
::Wikipedia isn't gamefaqs, go to the message board on gamefaqs to get that stuff. Anyway, the halo pc is much better than the xbox version (internet multiplayer) if you have a good graphics card. And i dont know when h2 is coming for PC, i wish....--Zxcvbnm 17:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been looking for Halo 2 for PC myself for a while. Is there any evidence or even rumors of when it is coming out?--Martin925 05:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 2 on PC 

message: I added some info about the homebrew development of Halo 2 content, I still need to add more info about the use of this content on xbox live, besides that I noticed that the author and/or others members are not honest about the criticism of Halo 2, for example the very low auto-aim of other FPS titles on xbox live doesn't necessary generates more lag. 
:According to Bungie's Weekly Update, you're right: "Autoaim actually varies between weapons, and even weapon combos and while lag and connectivity were all taken into account, the main concern was enjoyable control and balance between each weapon." I'm going to correct this statement. Anetode 00:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added some info about modded maps, and some questions 

message: I don't know anything about this subject, but I noticed Halo 2 multiplayer variants lists five separate articles.  All of these articles are tiny, uncategorized, and seemingly trivial.  If they're totally trivial, maybe they should be deleted.  If they're moderately signficant, maybe a merged.  If they're actually signficant (doubtful) they should be expanded properly, by somebody who knows/cares.  I have no opinion on the issue, other than the current state of these "variant" articles looks awful.  --rob 15:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just started List of multiplayer gametypes in Halo 2 in order to discourage the creation of cruft like this. --anetode¹ ² ³ 19:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge, delete, or leave alone game variants 

message: Can we please stop adding this disambig? Nobody is ever going to search for Pretty Hate Machine in an encyclopedia by typing "Halo 2." Phil Sandifer 22:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it matters, but today I noticed that Halo 4 through Halo 19 are redirects to NIN releases. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 18:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nine Inch Nails

message: This is the edit some fool did, so i am moving it here
:In case you wiki's wanna add it
But this isn't Gamefaqs
"If anybody is looking for a complete list of the weapons of Halo 2 and what they do, here is something that I found online, I did not write this! I found this a while back and did not give the author any thought, anyway...I hope this helps you people! IT HELPED ME OUT SOOO MUCH! Also note, some of the stuff in here I have slightly changed because they fitted what I felt about certain combo's etc... 
  
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:Ummm....List of weapons in Halo 2 already has a lot of this stuff....merge it if you want but it looks UE...--Zxcvbnm 04:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way what is "UE"!?
>x<ino 05:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: UE means unencyclopedic, for instance, "I mean, look at its Melee!!! 2 HITS!?!?" does not belong in an encyclopedia.--Zxcvbnm 20:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

text: -Can we agree that the FAQ above needs to be removed from the discussion page? If it's hosted somewhere else, link to it, and delete it from here. It's just taking up space and getting in the way of conversation as it is. gspawn 05:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved: Weapon Help 

message: Someone needs to point out in a little more detail (that is, if it even exists) how the song "Numb" is referenced in the game, because by my count, it isn't.
:Uhh...  where are they listed? Maybe they'll be on the OSTv2? Gspawn 17:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkin Park? 

message: The signature song of Halo 2 is "Halo Theme Mjolnir Mix", not "The Last SPARTAN". I'm pretty sure I could dig up a Bungie quote eventually. Gspawn 17:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And some people had started adding Halo 3 banter to the end of the plot synopsis. Halo 2 paves the way for Halo 3. No further explanation necessary. If people wanna know more, they can check the Halo 3 page. Gspawn 18:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Signature Song, Plot Details

message: i want to thank whatever supreme being there is for the revert option, man these people changing crap like that really ticks me off
f1r3r41n 14:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: just saying something

message: Halo wiki is a repository of knowledge of and relating to the halo universe, including tactics and knowledge of the story, so i added it back to the list of external links, revert me if im wrong but please explain why it was deleted again, thanks 
f1r3r41n 21:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In Reference to Halo Wiki