Talk:Kimber Custom

message: Earlier today the category "Firearms" was added to the article.  I've removed it.  The reason is that, per Wikipedia:Categorization#Some general guidelines point #3, "Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory."  The article is already in category "Semi-automatic pistols", which is a sub-category of "Pistols", which is a sub-category of "Handguns", which is a sub-category of "Firearms", so according to this guideline, the "Firearms" category should not be added.  Note however that this is not a hard and fast rule, which is also mentioned in point #3 of the general guidelines.  See also Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories.  I think in this case though the rule should apply.  If anyone else has an opinion on this subject feel free to post it here. — Mudwater 23:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: In a recent edit, the caption of the picture in the infobox was changed from "Kimber Custom Stainless" to "Kimber Custom Stainless II", but I believe that's a picture of a Stainless, not a Stainless II.  I'm pretty sure the Stainless IIs all say "Stainless II" on the slide, and this one just says "Stainless", which you can see clearly if you click on the picture to view it full size.  For a picture of a Stainless II and its markings, check out this one on the Kimber web site.  So, I think the caption should be changed back to "Kimber Custom Stainless", without the "II". — Mudwater 23:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you're right. I think the editor who changed it was using the image title, which is "Kimberstainlesscustomii.JPG" when he/she changed it. I think it's safe to change it back. Parsecboy 23:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey guys.  That guns belongs to me.  I took the picture.  It is a Stainless II.  If you view the fullsize picture, as in, click on the picture and then click on it again, you can make out the II.  It does not come in very clearly as it is just two vertical lines || very close together.  I believe possibly the angle of the picture and perhaps the lighting played a part in this, but if you look closely (and maybe even squint a little--haha) you can see the II.  Sorry for any confusion due to the resolution/clarity/lighting.  KDR 14:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's really hard to see the "II".  I think I see it now though.  So, the caption should stay the way it is.  Thanks. — Mudwater 14:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. When you open the image and enlarge it completely, the II is clearly there. Thanks KDR. Parsecboy 14:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption -- Stainless or Stainless II? 

message: I am proposing to merge Kimber Custom TLE II into this article.  I'm also volunteering to do the merge.  I'll wait a week or so, and if there's general agreement, I'll go ahead and do it.  I'm suggesting the merge per Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms#Variants, where it says, "Variants of a model of a firearm such as folding/telescoping stock variants, target versions, variants chambered in a new caliber, compact/carbine variants generally should not receive their own article, instead having a section to the variant in the parent firearm's article."  I think this is one of the cases where it would be good to apply this guideline. — Mudwater 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the Custom page on the Kimber web site here, they do list the Desert Warrior as one of the guns under the "Custom II Family".  That to me is the strongest argument that the Desert Warrior is a variant of the Custom.  As far as series I and series II Customs being part of the same article, that's already the case -- the current article explicitly includes both and does talk about the IIs having the firing pin block, and also how some Customs have an external extractor and others an internal one.  I'm against lumping together different models or types of guns just for the sake of consolidating articles, but I would favor merging the Desert Warrior article with the main Custom one, on the basis that it is a variant, despite its differences. — Mudwater 14:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that it's been almost 2 weeks since the merge was proposed, and there have been no objections to at least merging the TLE II article in, what say we at least do that? There also seems to be consensus to merge the Desert Warrior in as well, save Flash167's objection. I do, however, agree to merge that page as well, for the reasons listed by Mudwater (i.e., the Kimber website, etc.) One thing that we might want to consider is the possibility of moving the Kimber Custom II Family article to Kimber Custom Family, and using that as the article, and turning the rest into redirects. Thoughs? Parsecboy (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) Since most editors have agreed, I will merge "Kimber Custom TLE II" and "Kimber Desert Warrior" into this article some time in the next few days.  (2) In my opinion, "Kimber Custom" is a much better title for the article than "Kimber Custom Family".  I understand that the word "family" would emphasize that this is a group of guns and not just one gun, but that's not necessary, because, per the WP:GUNS#Variants guideline, an article about a gun is assumed to include all of its variants or sub-models.  This would apply to many different gun articles, not just this one.  Also, the title of an article should be the name that most readers would look for first, which in this case would be "Kimber Custom". — Mudwater 13:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that makes sense. Parsecboy (talk) 14:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Kimber Custom would be better. Flash176 (talk) 22:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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