Talk:The Stars My Destination

message: Where does the idea that "Tiger! Tiger!" was the original title come from? Right next to this text is the front cover of Galaxy magazine (where the novel was first published) indicating the title as "The Stars My Destination". Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Title 

message: I removed the following paragraph because:
A. it shows a highly dubious grasp of ethics
B. the author has substituted his own culture for "today's society"
All this talk of "themes" and "setting" makes the last section look suspiciously like someone's book report...
"The setting in the book is a time that is very different from the world we live in today. Sometime in the near future Earth and its outer systems abolish organized religion. This has a huge effect on mankind. It seems to abolish humans' technique of ethical questioning. With the jaunteing experiments, they take on human suicide testers. 80% die in the testing phase. This is something that would never be allowed to happen in today's society because people will question whether it is ethical or not. This is because many ethical questions are based on one's religion. They also have what's called "the freak factory" which is experiments led by a Doctor Baker who creates mermaids and other mythical creatures with willing human beings. In today's society this would have serious ethical questioning."
: you should leave your name along with your comment.. :) Sunburst 2005 July 7 14:05 (UTC)
:hate to burst your bubble, but recent research shows that the sense of morality and one's religious beliefs or non-beliefs have very little in common. faced with a moral dillema, such as for instance: "you see a kid drowning. jumping into the water to save it would require that you destroy your suit, which you just purchased recently. what do you do?", almost all of the interwievees respond in a similar fashion, regardless of whether they are religious or not. personaly, i find it distasteful that some people with religious beliefs try to hog morality. 213.172.246.24 15:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You should read more clearly what you're replying to :)
Added reference to Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series under "Trivia". --Wildfire1961 22:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article edits 

message: How come importance rating is set to low? Google "stars my destination cyberpunk" for alternative views. --23:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance 

message: Let's see a mention of it please? - Sparky (talk) 07:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the Graphic Novel? 

message: I have removed the following section from the article as trivia:
 Skomorokh  02:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be worth mentioning here that a character in the popular 1970s UK sitcom "George and Mildred" is called Jeffrey Fourmile, which may be inspired by Gully Foyle's "Geoffrey Fourmyle" alias. 2A00:23C8:8F9F:4801:5409:396D:8B5B:EFA (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a reference, it wouldn't be included. At the moment all you have is a similar sounding name without evidence that it was deliberately chosen in homage. MarcGarver (talk) 08:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excised cultural references 

message: The graphic descrition of Synaesthesia in the novel is actually not at all accurate - it is not a complete cross-over of sensory modalities as described.  Rather, modalities combine in a subtle way, e.g. "coloured hearing" where letters have different colours. The condition is not temporary or induced by physical trauma such as the one experienced by Gully Foyle; nor do synaesthetes regard the condition as an affliction - most regard it as positive, many are even unaware that it is not the norm.  Arthur Rimbaud, Charles Baudelaire, Vladimir Nabokov and his son Dmitri are all said to have had the condition. user:chris_london_1955 6 June 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris London 1955 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Synaesthesia

message: I am new to wikipedia as a contributor anyway, so am feeling my way with your protocols and procedures, so if I make gauche mistakes or tread on anyone's toes please bear with me.
I think it has been established that Bester coined the term "Jaunting" to describe teleportation? after all it was named after an individual called Jaunt. I have for many years made the connection with the British childrens TV series of the 1970's "The Tomorrow People" where the term Jaunting was also used to describe teleporting, as far as I can see no one has mentioned this in either wiki article, is it not reasonable to reference this and if so how should it be cited?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.100.110 (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, thanks for beginning a talk page discussion, rather than simply reinserting the information.  Bester did coin the term, yes, so if it was used in another medium, it was probably done in reference to Bester's novel.  What you need is an independent, third-party source that talks about the tv show and makes the connection between their use of the term and Bester's novel, indicating that their use was done knowingly.  See WP:CITE for more information on how to properly cite a source. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaunting 

message: I've removed this claim from the article, as all online references to it seem to be derivative of this article: "Charles Fort Jaunte, the discoverer of jaunting, is named after Charles Hoy Fort, the American journalist and author who coined the word teleportation." Skomorokh 04:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoy Fort

message: I find this a curious sentence:  "To this it added the standard "one weird idea" of science fiction..."  Does anyone have some kind of citation that a "one weird idea" is somehow standard to science fiction?  Because, IMHO, it's totally not, but I don't want to edit without seeing if someone else has an opinion on it. Esprix (talk) 06:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, without a citation, the statement is OR/POV.  I've rewritten that statement to avoid the problem, and done some other cleanup/rearrangements as well. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "One Weird Idea"

message: I have made a number of edits, mostly for punctuation or clarity, but also in the Plot section for accuracy. I made a mistake in the process and undid my edits to restore the one by Omeganian at 17:55, 24 July 2011, so that is the one to compare this one (01:12, 15 August 2011) to. Non-exhaustive list:
* "They grill Foyle about Nomad but he refuses to talk, and to that end Foyle is thrown into the Gouffre Martel, a complex of underground caves in the Pyrenees. These are used as a prison, where the inmates live in total darkness, unable to form a picture of their location in order to jaunte."
** "to that end" means "for that purpose". I don't remember if Foyle was thrown in to make him talk or just to get him out of circulation. If the former, the sentence should be restructured.
* I specified the character of Olivia's altered sense of sight.
* "The Scientific People recognize that he is now a holy man, and take up vigil to await his Revelation."
** This sentence takes it as a given that Foyle is now a holy man. Changed to "The Scientific People now see him as a holy man, and take up vigil to await his revelation."
Also, in Background and influences, I amplified the requirements for a successful jaunte, which are critical to the description of Gouffre Martel.
--Thnidu (talk) 01:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good grief! I didn't recognize this or remember writing it at all, so my signature came as a surprise to me. --Thnidu (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot edits 

message: One point left out: IIRC, Foyle looses [sic] his rigid self-control in Olivia's presence because he thinks that, being blind, she can't see his tattoo. But her infrared vision reveals it to her. I don't remember how this figures in the plot. --Thnidu (talk) 01:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foyle's tattoo visible in infrared 

message: "The Dungeons and Dragons tabletop game has a spell called Ethereal Jaunt. The spell, however, functions differently; instead of teleportation, it makes the user incorporeal and invisible."
Is this actually a reference to the book?  The word "jaunt" as a kind of voyage or trip dates back to the 1600's (reference http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=jaunt).
Rmd1023 (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  D&D reference doesnt' really sound like a reference 

message: I excised the link to the full text of the book, as it does not appear to be in the public domain. 128.189.169.233 (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright status 

message: (Saul) Dagenham is referred to twice before any explanation of who he is. I would clean it up if I could find my copy of the novel to do it right. --Thnidu (talk) 03:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dagenham 

message: In Plot, I'm changing
: He blackmails her into helping him, but his attack on the Vorga fails and he is captured by security forces working for Presteign, the aristocratic head of the huge Presteign corporation (owner of the Vorga).
to
: He blackmails her into helping him, but his attack on the Vorga fails and he is captured by security forces working for Presteign, the aristocratic head of the huge corporation that owns the Vorga.
We don't need to add that the corporation is named after him. After all, he makes a great haughty point that he is not "Mr. Presteign" but "Presteign of Presteign", the head of his influential House, and the article doesn't mention that at all, nor does it need to.
I wouldn't even bother explaining this in such detail, except that in (quite reasonably) deleting an <TT></tt> I had embedded in the text, Beyond My Ken also undid this edit that I had made at the same time.
Thnidu (talk) 03:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He is also just "Presteign" not "The Presteign". Should be changed.--TeakHoken213.150.232.3 (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. --Thnidu (talk) 16:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presteign, Presteign 

message: “Unknown to him, the Nomad, was carrying "PyrE"”
Unknown to Foyle? Unknown to Presteign?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.219.189 (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. --Thnidu (talk) 04:07, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown to him, the Nomad, was carrying "PyrE" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The Stars My Destination is briefly mentioned in passing in one of the sections of the Wikipedia article on Cyberpunk.   The excellent quotes from Gibson, Moorcock, Gaiman etc on the TSMD page clearly show its importance to Cyberpunk.  I have opened a new section on the Cyberpunk Talk page pointing this out and suggesting that TSMD be given more prominence.  I'm not very good at wiki editing, so if some kind soul from this page feels like heading over to assist with editing the Cyberpunk page, please be my guest. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cyberpunk#Move_.27The_Stars_My_Destination.27_.281956.29_to_History_and_Origins_of_Cyberpunk.2C_and_make_it_more_prominent.3F
RedTomato (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more prominent mention in the Wikipedia Cyberpunk article  

message: Y'ang-Yeovil: The first part of this surname is pseudo-Chinese. Bester was undoubtedly thinking of  names such as Ch'iu, Ts'ao, P'eng, T'ien, and K'ung, as  romanized in the now-obsolescent Wade–Giles system (without tone markings). But Wade–Giles does not use the apostrophe after any consonants but these and tz, so Y'ang is an impossible name.
Presteign is addressed and referred to not as "Mr. Presteign" or "the Presteign" but simply as "Presteign":
* in direct address 
**"Mr. Presteign," he began. "I'm from the Internal Revenue Department, I must see you this morn–"  Presteign cut him short with an icy stare. "There are thousands of Presteigns," he pronounced. "All are addressed as Mister. But I am Presteign of Presteign, head of house and sept, first of the family, chieftain of the clan. I am addressed as Presteign. Not 'Mister' Presteign." (p. 385)
* in third-person reference: 
**  Presteign of Presteign arose, dressed with the aid of his valet and barber… 
** Presteign still maintained an antique telephone switchboard with an operator…
**Eighty seconds after Presteign's call was put through…(all: p.383, Presteign's first appearance)
--Thnidu (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: Why does the reader know that Presteign is at the very tip-top level of society, just from seeing his name? At least, that's how I felt on reading this novel way back in the sixties, but the answer didn't hit me till recently. Drop the "n" and move the "e" two places to the right:
Presteign
Presteig
Prestige
Similarly, though we're told that Dagenham had planted the name "Fourmyle of Ceres" in Foyle's brain, you need only delete the "urm" and you get...
Fourmyle
Fo   yle
Foyle
--Thnidu (talk) 03:54, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names within names, anagrams, and connotations 

message: Dave Langford has written of the differences in many of the printed editions at https://ansible.uk/writing/bester.html, which may help resolve some of the other questions raised in this Talk page. It mentions other editorial changes too - "kill you filthy" was bowdlerized as "kill you deadly".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.38.24 (talk) 13:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different editions, summary at Ansible