Talk:Electromagnetic coil

message: This article seems to be about four different subjects which have almost nothing in common except the "coil" shape.  Most of these are already treated in existing articles:  electromagnetic coils in inductor, chemical coils in Coil (chemistry), ceramic coiling techniques in ceramic art.  There is also a Coil (disambiguation) page which deals with other uses.  Perhaps the term "coil" is simply too broad to merit its own article, and this article should be broken up and the content added to the above pages.  Comments?  --ChetvornoTALK 16:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be broken up? 

message: This reads like a long dictionary entry, the kind in which the word being defined is combined with other words to create a number of commonly used phrases or idioms. Compare, for example, the dictionary.com definition of "coil": http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coil But such an entry is not "encyclopedic." Dratman (talk) 05:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my point in the above comment: this article is not limited to a single topic, it covers several unrelated topics whose only common point is that they are different definitions of the word "coil".  There are already articles covering these different types of "coils".  I think this article should be broken up and merged into them. --ChetvornoTALK 18:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of incoming links, and a broad-concept article seems warranted. Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Broad-concept articles -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This subject is covered more extensively under inductor, the proper name for an electrical coil. IMHO, anything electrical and unique should be moved to inductor, and this page should go away.  :- ) DCS 16:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

text: As a matter of fact, almost everything on this page is on the coil (disambiguation) which this page intercepts. WP:PROD time.   :- ) DCS 16:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More like an extended dictionary definition 

message: While I understand the "Prodder's" concern, I do not think summarily deleting the page is the answer. This page is the primary page on the disambiguation page. That page needs to be sorted before this one. Op47 (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm concerned this page can stay here forever.   I agree, let's sort out the disambiguation page.   I see no logical reason for disambiguating the disambiguation, which is what is happening.   I'm an EE and a coil to me is a pick-up coil(such as used for RFID and security tags}, which I can't find.   Let us(another todo...) work on fixing up the disambiguation page, then PROD this page.  AFD is a pain.  Coil as an induction should go to the Wiktionary as an antiquated name for inductor.   :- ) DCS 04:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm done.  Comments? We can rename this Coil (electromagnetic)?  Then, disambiguate it. The disambiguation page is next to be cleaned.   :- ) DCS 06:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WOW, you have been busy. I think you are right, call this page Coil (electromagnetic) and rename the disambiguation page Coil. Don't do the latter lightly, because there will be a lot of links to sort out. Op47 (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hundreds of links here.  A dozen to Coil (disambiguation).   :- ) Don 12:22, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, rename it Coil (electromagnetic).  There is also  Induction coil, Induction loop, Magnetic inductive coil, Single coil, Field coil,  Solenoid, and Inductor.  Be nice to merge at least one of these, too. --ChetvornoTALK 20:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is still called Coil without specialization, although it only has content related to electrical coils and none to the many other types of coils mentioned on the disambiguation page.  Even if we renamed it Coil (electromagnetic), the many types of electromagnetic coils are so diverse that there's not much you can say about them collectively except that they consist of a coil of electrically conductive wire.  So Coil (electromagnetic) would just become another disambiguation page.  This page needs to be PRODded. --ChetvornoTALK 02:42, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deprod 

message: Why is the article at Coil about the electromagnetic coil rather than about the more common generic coil shape?
And why don't have an article about the coil shape?
We have Square, Circle, Pyramid (geometry), etc.  Why not coil?
Or should Coil redirect to Spiral?
--B2C 07:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the three discussions above.  The article originally was about the generic coil shape, but I and some others felt that that was too broad a topic for an article, so it was narrowed to the "electromagnetic coil" topic.  Someone was going to change the name, but I guess they forgot.  My feeling is that it should be redirected as you suggested, to Helix or Spiral or Inductor. --ChetvornoTALK 08:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the article at "Coil" about the e-m coil rather than the more common generic coil shape? 

message: Now that the issue of the article name is settled, I suggest that the article be rewritten as a WP:BROADCONCEPT article, as discussed above.  I think it should mainly give the terminology of coils and only the most basic scientific principles, and then give a list of links to articles on the different types of coils; electromagnets, inductors, transformers, and transducer coils, and leave it to these articles to cover the science.      I don't see any point to having sections on such narrow topics as potting or parasitic capacitance; this is WP:UNDUE weight in a general article on coils.  --ChetvornoTALK 00:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Or also as suggested previously, we could have a separate article do that at coil (electromagnetism) -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 07:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a WP:POVFORK, I don't think we should have two redundant articles just because of a disagreement on format.  This article as it stands is extremely uneven; it randomly goes into a few topics mostly applying to a few types of coil and ignores other equally important ones.     There are probably 30-40 types of "electromagnetic coil" that have articles on WP; this article only mentions a few of them. --ChetvornoTALK 10:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It would not be a POVFORK, depending on the scope of each article, and what the function of each would be. One easily could be a basic coil article, the other could be a sort of list or set index. That would not be a POV fork. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 13:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of this article's content is redundant already; it mostly repeats what's in Transformer and Electromagnet.  You want to have it a third time in Coil (electromagnetism)? --ChetvornoTALK 17:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I oppose separate Electromagnetic coil and Coil (electromagnetism) articles. I'd like to see the list of 30-40 types of "electromagnetic coil" that have articles on WP. Can you create a See also section in this article and list them there? ~KvnG 14:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Started rewrite of article, that includes a list of links to different types of electromagnetic coil. --ChetvornoTALK 01:21, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite as [[WP:BROADCONCEPT]] article? 

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