Talk:Jane Zhang

message: Is there any evidence that she can sing in Korean? If not, I'll move Korean from the article. Flora 06:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: She sang a translated song from Korea, which translated name is (Chinese:大长今, Pinyin: Dà Chána Jīn)。--Earthengine 17:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sings in Korean?

message: I have re-added her to the Whistle register singers category. She can sing at least F6 as shown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fmzAcK64A8 - someone in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Whistle_register_singers said she's reached G6 while singing this same song, but she doesn't do it in that particular recording and I couldn't find one where she does. Mintariel 09:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whistle register 

message: I think this article should be renamed as Jane Zhang, just for convenience sake. Omghgomg 10:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-naming the Article 

message: Jane's passionately interpreted melodies promise to solidify her status in the Mando-pop market., I don't think this statement is NPOV. Flora 02:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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replies: text: Done. σмgнgσмg 00:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Finalthree2006.jpg

message: Fix the references so that they are all the same. Put all the names of webpages outside of the link. --andreasegde 19:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? σмgнgσмg 11:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it's been done now. I changed the Youtube ref to show where it came from. --andreasegde 11:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:Fair representation without bias: 
#It is stable.
#:No edit wars etc.: 
#It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
#:a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
#Overall: 
#:Pass/Fail: 
Comments:
#The picture in the infobox needs a little context. ie. Jane Zhang in 2007 or Jane Zhang at event X... just something to contextualize the picture.
#What justification do you have for Fair Use for Finalthree2006.jpg you already have a free picture of her for the article (and a fair use one wouldn't qualify for a living person anyways) and certainly the photograph shows nothing about the competition that couldn't be accurately and appropriately conveyed with words alone. Unless there's a good reason to keep it up there, it needs to be deleted.
#The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it needs to touch upon every major point made in the article, which is currently does not do. For example, there's nothing in the lead about the "2006 – update" section. It also contains facts that are not present in the body of the article, such as her vocal register, another violation of WP:DATE.
#All one-two sentence paragraphs need to be either expanded or merged with the surrounding paragraphs, as they cannot stand alone. On further review, the sections are borderline proseliney.
#Youtube is not a reliable source to source something like her vocal range. This need to be cited with a better link.
#Some statements require citations:
#:The first two "paragraphs" of "2005: Super Girl competition"
#:Where are the citations/reference for the "Performances in Super Girl competition" section?
#:The first two "paragraphs" of "2005-2006: The One"
#"This usage originally came from Hong Kong years ago, but nowadays more people use it." (2005: Super Girl competition) This phrase will not date properly, as today's "nowadays" will not be the same "nowadays" 100 years from now. This needs to be reworded.
#The "2005: Super Girl competition" section needs a little more explanation. What is the "Super Girl" competition, how important is it, how big is it etc. etc. You touch on this in the lead, but then do not expand upon or even restate these facts in the main body of the article.
#"After the completion of the competition, Zhang was invited to visit her alma mater in Sichuan University during its orientation week celebration in early September." Why was her university career not even mentioned in the "Early years" section? What did she major in? How long did she go there? etc. etc. Just one hint that "broadness of coverage" may not be present here.
I started doing a copyedit, but I stopped when I realized that this article needs, if not some significant rewriting, then at least some serious time working on prose, content and grammar. Normally, when a review encounters minor problems, the article is put on hold for a period of up to seven days. In this case, however, I think that this article would benefit from a project-specific peer review, or at least some time taken to carefully mold the prose and have fresh eyes look over it (another editor perhaps), something I feel would benefit from more than a week's work/break. For that reason, I am failing the article at this time. Once these concerns have been addressed, you may renominate the article. If you feel that this review is in error, you may take it to WP:GAR. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 19:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All addressed. σмgнgσмg 10:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I think a lot of the nitpicks I have with the prose are related to the sheer number of run-on sentences there are. A lot of the time, two clauses will be joined by either a comma or "and", even though one sentence could very well be omitted. Example: "Zhang was the only Asian female singer who received an invitation to participate[42] and it was reported that Craig Williams recommended Zhang to the organiser of the event." Does it REALLY matter if Craig Williams recommended her to the organizer? If it does, it should stand on its own, seeing as the rest of the paragraph deals with Jane Zhang's involvement with the event. Pandacomics 21:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, be bold. Improve on the article as you see fit. σмgнgσмg 21:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prose 

message: Based on the issues addressed above, passing.  Some more things to improve on:
*Ref 9 - there shouldn't be a space between ref and full stop.
*"Label(s) 	Huayi Brothers Corp. [1]" - No refs in infobox, please.
*Sources 18, 20, 30 and 31 contain redlinks.
Otherwise, well done - GA! — H2O —  09:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: More geared towards FA...
*"Also, she had been given the nickname "The Dolphin Princess" during the competition[3]due to her ability to sing the whistle register.[4] " - sentences shouldn't start with also, the ref should come after some punctuation.
*"They have given her this nickname because Chinese musicians refer to the whistle register as the dolphin vocal sound" - Previous sentence was in past tense, this one isn't (the same...)
*"Her debut album was titled The One and it was produced by Craig Williams.[6]" - "Zhang's debut album was titled The One, and was produced by Craig Williams.[6]"
*"humanitarian relief.[8]Other artists" - Need a space after the ref
*Work place is one word (workplace)
*Many refs need publisher info (see )
*"to buy cassettes.[10]After graduatin" - Space after ref
*"In 2005, she entered the local Chengdu preliminaries" - She --> Zhang
*"Her fans called themselves "Liang Fen" (凉粉)" - Traditional and simple Chinese....
*"As such, she has been recognized by the professional judges and audiences as the most talented singer and even regarded by some critics to be one of the top-level foreign language singers in China. [20] " - No space before ref
*"The E.P. contains six" - E.P. --> EP
*"Craig Williams.[6]She also collaborated " - Space after ref
*"with Celine Dion and R. Kelly. [36] The album " - No space ref
*"en's Fund. [47]" - No space before ref (this seems to be the main issue)
Yeah...that's mostly all I could find. Dihydrogen Monoxide 10:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More comments

message: Jane Zhang has been doing many things since 2011
See the official website and in http://news.baidu.com/ns?cl=2&rn=20&tn=news&word=%D5%C5%F6%A6%D3%B1  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.160.2 (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

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thread_title: Good article re-assessment

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message: After coming here to check one detail, I found, first, that the sources appearing in the early life section of the biography either (1) did not support the facts presented, or (2) misstated them in part relative to what was said in the source (e.g., nowhere in the afixed source was it stated that "Jayne Eyre" was her favourite book). As such,  tags were afixed, and the text was changed to match the source.
Then, the same issues became apparent in the lede—sentences appear that do not summarise the main body, but rather introduce new facts, but in neither the lede nor the main body are the purported facts sourced. The  tags were attached to these unsourced sentences. Next, I found that the date and place of birth did not appear in the sources afixed to these lead and later sentences, so these were also marked as needing sources. As a result of all of this, the article tag, "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification." was placed. I would note that this appears to be the sad outcome of adding sources only later, after the content was first posted without sources. This is always a waste of time—it is never as efficient to do the forensic work to try to find a source, than it is to place the source from the very start—and unless one is very careful (comparing in each case of a missing source, the word for word presentation of the source against the text of the article, and correcting the article to the real source—see today's "Jane Eyre" edit—the post hoc addition of sources only gives the appearance of scholarship, when the article still contains source gross inaccuracies (and even plagiarism, see below).
Even more critically, (1) nearly every other place I looked, when completing citations—adding authors, title-translations, etc.—I found the same issues of missing citations and misused inline citations, and (2) in the 2009–2015 career subsection, it went as far as being outright WP:PLAGIARISM—the content of the source was presented unchanged (verbatim) from the source, without use of quotation marks. This discovered plagiarism was remedied by converting the "cribbed" sentences to quotes.
Finally, the article has an unclear citation style—authors are sometimes last name first, sometimes not; dates are sometimes western, sometimes not, etc.—and there are many, many, many remaining cases of poor English grammar and usage (errors in punctuation, subject-verb agreement, capitalisation, use of articles, etc.). Hence, the "complete citations" and the "copy editing" article tags were placed.
In conclusion, I would note that the whole of the article needs to be checked for plagiarism, that is, sentence by sentence, the text that appears now needs to be checked against the inline citations appearing, any plagiarism discovered needs be removed, and then editing needs to be done to make the text match the source or  tags need to be placed if the material seems valuable, but is not in the afixed source. The plagiarism is what it is—any use of the ideas of another writer without attributing their work to them, any appropriation of the words of another without either quotation marks and inline citation, or clear paraphrase and inline citation constitute academic dishonesty. In a university setting, such behaviour would result in a failing grade in the course, and if repeated, suspension/expulsion. General societal expectations in the West being what they are, and your WP rules being as clearly stated as they are, there is no excuse for blatant and rampant plagiarism here.  [ a former professor ]  2601:246:C700:19D:6D96:D6A7:C530:8A5C (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism and other serious scholarly issues found 

message: I've just gone through it for WomenInRed. Please see the diff for inline (invisible) comments where I was uncertain of the intended meaning. In a few places there's a lack of precision, and there are a few instances of overt subjective opinion concerning aspects of her style. Tony (talk) 05:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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