Talk:Warren Farrell

message: Close connections  of Farrell have edited the page in significant ways. Slp1 (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI tag (July 2023) 

message: After pouring through the “Talk” section, I'm reaching out with a proposal to update the description of Warren Farrell's background and contributions on his Wikipedia page with what I think is a fair and win-win solution.
Here's the current sentence:
"Farrell initially came to prominence in the 1970s as a supporter of second wave feminism but has since become a leading figure of the men's rights movement.[1][2][3]"
Why I agree with the including of the men’s rights movement: 
I think that it is accurate that Dr. Farrell is perceived that way, but since he doesn’t write, speak or do podcasts aligning himself with men’s rights, and sees “men’s rights” as associated with misogyny as was documented in the Google search mentioned in the Talk section, I think the “men’s rights” part should be included in the Criticism section (as was done recently and still remains there.) It would be more balanced and less biased to explain his transition to boys, men’s and fathers’ issues by his more recent books and his transition to couples’ communication issues by his couples’ workshops around the country.
Therefore, I believe that the current sentence might benefit from a more comprehensive and nuanced representation of his involvement and evolution.
Here’s the proposed revision of the first paragraph:
"Farrell initially came to prominence in the 1970s as a supporter of second wave feminism, serving on the New York City Board of the National Organization for Women (NOW). Farrell's more recent books have focused on the issues currently facing boys, men and fathers. Farrell’s advocacy for a “gender liberation movement” with “both sexes walking a mile in each other’s moccasins” has led to his conducting couples’ communication workshops for the past 30 years (Esalen 2023) with his next book being Role Mate to Soul Mate.(Dan Riley,2023) 
The Intention
The intention behind this proposed edit is to provide a more detailed and balanced view of Farrell's background. By including information about his service on the New York City Board of the National Organization for Women (NOW) during the 1970s, we acknowledge his historical involvement in the feminist movement. Additionally, mentioning his more recent focus on issues concerning boys, men, fathers, and couples' communication showcases the breadth of his work beyond his role in the men's rights movement. Yet it is true that some critics feel that anyone who articulates boys’ and men’s issues must not understand the deeper and more ubiquitous issues of girls and women, and therefore be a “men’s rights” person and thus a misogynist, the men’s rights reference should be included in the criticism section.
I believe that this revised description provides readers with a more accurate understanding of Farrell's contributions to both feminism and men's issues, and it paints a well-rounded picture of his career. I'm open to any feedback or suggestions, and I look forward to contributing to the improvement of this article.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards,
Hiking Mountaineer Hiking Mountaineer (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya Hiking Mountaineer, aka Farrell’s assistant and presumably the same  assistant who have posted here and edited the article in the past to mold the text in the past under multiple usernames (Unseen Remnant and  OAEA23). Reincarnating yourself as another editor when challenged and pretending to be new and independent does not work and is against the rules here. See Wp:sockpuppet. It is especially foolish to add and then delete notes from your boss Farrell which make clear that he wrote the proposed text above and that the  goal to is to massage this article before his new book is released. Given the excessive and ongoing problems I will be reporting this whole situation to the conflict of interest noticeboard. Slp1 (talk) 01:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Edit - Intro Paragraph