Talk:KS-23

message: Does anyone have any credible sources for the Use of this shotgun by Vietnam? I've been looking and all I can find are Call of Duty links. I'm going to wait a couple weeks and then remove it if there is no credible sources. 67.41.84.127 (talk) 00:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam? 

message: The article on gauge has an equation that suggests 23 mm is closer to 6 gauge (about 6.2). This also seems to better fit the visual appearance in the pictures in the source.
I realize that the only listed source specifically states that the gauge is 4, but I'm asserting that the source is wrong. I've used the equation in the gauge article to calculate gauges of which I already know the diameter, so I'm confident in its accuracy.
Yes, I'm sure this counts as "original research", which is why I'm not putting it in the article. That said, I don't care enough about this almost trivial stub to find a better source myself. However, this will be here for any others who notice that 23 mm probably isn't 4 gauge and check the talk page for insight.
--99.241.97.241 (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 gauge? 

message: Information originally added to article body by 76.182.161.142.
Information from this site (), however, is suspect, and the TOZ-123 page may be a fabrication. The TOZ-123 page can not be reached from the Tulsky Oruzheiny Zavod sites civilian gun page directly, but must however be accessed by using the triangular button links from either the PC-84 page or the TOZ-84 pages. Also the table at the bottom of the page that list the guns specs is unusual, while very detailed and of a uniform style on all other gun pages on the site, the table on the TOZ-123 is of a drastically different style, lacks the same kinds of information on the other pages and has errors regarding it’s use of measurements, specifically the fact that it measures gauge in mm. This specific error is suspicious in that the KS-23 family of shotguns is usually referred to on internet forums as a “4 gauge” shotgun. This is simply not true in regards to the 23mm military versions because of the fact that 23mm is equivalent to 6.27 gauge not 4 gauge. However this gun has a smooth bore barrel not the rifled decommissioned military barrels of its cousins. Therefore whether or not the shotgun is a 23mm or a true 4 gauge is up to speculation.
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TOZ-123 is not a fabrication, have seen the gun and waterfowl loads, in Russia they happen to call it "4 caliber" Kanadskaja Kazarka (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOZ-123 

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TOZ-123 is not a fabrication, have seen the gun and waterfowl loads, in Russia they happen to call it "4 caliber" Kanadskaja Kazarka (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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message: Links to a site on narod.ru that make up most of the references in this article are dead. I didn't want to remove them without a note on the talk page first. Flowanda | Talk 15:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links in citations 

message: Supposing this firearm was designed in the 1970's, it obviously can't be Russian. It must be Soviet. I'm changing the Russian flag and name in the info box and the first sentence.Martin (talk) 04:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian gun? 

message: I have been hunting for an image to use in this article but I have been unsuccessful so far. Everything that I have found has either been extremely low quality or I'm unable to determine the copyright status and/or the owner of the image. Does anyone know where we could get an image for this wiki page?   --Triesault (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Changed "most powerful" to "largest-bore" as the article has no sources for the "power". I recall seeing sources which showed commercial and military cartridges with payloads equivalent to your standard 12-gauge 2-3/4" buckshot (Shrapnel-10 and -25, the military, a bit of a letdown) and in the case of the civilian hunting loads, about equivalent to 1-5/8 oz shot at *around* 1300-1400 fps. So it's a very big gun but it does not appear to be nearly as powerful as for example, a 4-bore elephant gun, instead around the same as a current 10-gauge or 12-gauge 3.5" load which makes sense (shoulders must be considered and the reason for the extremely large bore was presumably the various non-lethal projectile this allows)
Kanadskaja Kazarka (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most powerful 

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