Talk:Durham Cathedral

message: Anyone who has an interest in contributing to Durham related articles may like to look at the discussion going on at Talk:The Bailey Robdurbar 10:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bailey/Peninsula

message: Dan Cruikshank argued in "Britain's Best Buildings" that the essential features of Gothic architecture were pioneered at Durham, not (as in the traditional account) at St Denis, and that Muslim craftsman may have been involved in its construction. We should find room for these arguments.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.103.184 (talk) 00:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good argument, it's more Gothic than many other Gothic buildings. Flying buttresses were used already in ancient Greece and by the Byzantines, though. It all depends on how much is original in the Durham cathedrals construction and what's added later. It features the oldest ribbed vault, but apparently the pointed arched windows are of a later modification. It can be seen that the oldest section (east) has the lastest design windows, while the western end has round arches in the windows, which means it must've been added later. However, it does mean that the current building has many Gothic features, it doesn't really matter how it was originally.109.59.52.2 (talk) 10:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

text: I assume that the source mentioned was a UK television programme which was broadcast in or before 2008? Not an ideal source if it's not available online or via a disc? The use of Muslim craftsman would also need a more robust source I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Cruikshank is a good writer and creator/presenter of tv programmes, but his specialism is firmly British architecture of a much later period. Probably there is some academic support for this line of argument, but I'm pretty sure it remains a minority view at the moment. Last Sunday was the 10th anniversary of the start of this section, btw! Johnbod (talk) 12:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah well. That just sounds like Wikipedia, doesn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fancy finding you two here! I love the way the Film, TV and Lego sections are stuffed with cites, and the Architecture section has absolutely none at all. Again, only on Wikipedia. Have just found a wonderful Pevsner quote and am looking for somewhere to put it. KJP1 (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Dan Cruikshank

message: Despite the quotation, no-one reading the architectural description given here would gain the impression that Durham Cathedral is one of the finest Romanesque buildings in the world. Hence its "top" importance and start rating. Amandajm (talk) 08:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Architectural project rating

message: Why isn't there a reference to the number of steps in the cathedral tower?
I suppose it isn't must know information but it should be included somewhere...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewr05 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of steps. 

message: From the intro to Bells on Sunday this morning:
"5 of the bells date from 1693. The ring of 8 was augmented in 1980 to bring the bells to 10. The 2,800-pound tenor is tuned to D."
If you are interested in cathedrals and stuff, you might want to update the article with this information. —Tom Morris  —Preceding undated comment added 21:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bells 

message: A bigger floor plan than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Durham_Cathedral_plan.jpg is available on http://www.medart.pitt.edu/image/England/Durham/Cathedral/Plans/durham-cplan-g01-b.jpg.--24.186.223.176 (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A version of it is already available on commons, as seen on the right. I think the current plan is much better as it shows more of the cathedral, while the added detail is unreadable in the article. I found a third one while looking for that which perhaps looks better than both, the lower of the two to the right.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 20:27, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bigger floor plan 

message: The article currently claims the formal name of the cathedral is "The Cathedral Church of Christ, Blessed Mary the Virgin and St Cuthbert of Durham", which may very well be true, but... 
#that's completely unsourced and
#the COE pages are fully committed to the branding as "Durham Cathedral. The Shrine of St Cuthbert." and
#the sources I can find that aren't obviously cribbing our material (such as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...) seem unanimous that the cathedral itself is only dedicated to Christ and Blessed Mary the Virgin (alt. the Blessed Virgin Mary, alt. the Blessed Virgin) and it was the priory that preceded it that was dedicated to St Cuthbert.
Is the cathedral's dedication to St Cuthbert an official and recent thing or is this just a typo we're presenting as a fact? — LlywelynII 17:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: This well-known view shows how magnificent and grand the cathedral is. Without it, the current article does not convey how impressive the cathedral is. 92.3.76.249 (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Which view? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  - This one, I'd guess. KJP1 (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'd that guess too. I'm sure it's equally impressive, even after 2 years. Martinevans123 (talk)10:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it was when I used to cross Prebends on a regular basis, thirty-five years ago, so I doubt it's changed much in the last two! KJP1 (talk) 10:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If it still looks impressive today, it's hard to imagine how impressive it the early 13th century when those towers were first built? There's also a mill there?... don't see any mention at Durham. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the building with the orange-tiled roof, to the bottom left, was/is a mill. Don't think it's operated for many decades however. I shall see if Pevsner mentions it. KJP1 (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As it does - the Fulling Mill of the priors, now an archaeological museum. Derelict and empty when I was there. KJP1 (talk) 10:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, not the kind of mill I had assumed. How fascinating. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should add a photo of the classic view of the cathedral and mill across the river 

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message: I'm surprised to note that the Cathedral is described as a Priory, given that in most cases where it is in the Benedictine tradition, the Bishop is the titular Abbot of the monastery. I'm not claiming this is impossible, I'm just surprised. Anyone got any evidence one way or the other? Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some more research. The cathedral was indeed part of the priory, which was dissolved in 1540; it then became an independent (and C of E) cathedral. 
    Durham Priory: Durham Priory was a Benedictine priory associated with Durham Cathedral, in Durham in the north-east of England. Its head was the Prior of Durham. It was founded in 1083 and when dissolved in 1540 was succeeded by a chapter of secular canons led by a dean.
    Also see https://www.durhamcathedral.co.uk/heritage  1541 – Durham Cathedral is re-founded with the last Prior becoming the first Dean, and twelve former monks becoming the first Canons
    Also see http://www.engineering-timelines.com/scripts/engineeringItem.asp?id=1441: Durham Cathedral started life as a monastic cathedral, part of a Benedictine priory. ... The Reformation of the Monasteries in Tudor times resulted in the dissolution of the priory and its community. In December 1539, the Roman Catholic monastery was surrendered to the Crown. In May 1541, the cathedral was re-established as a Church of England (Anglican) place of worship. St Cuthbert’s shrine was dismantled, his coffin opened and the body — reportedly still incorrupt — interred in a plain grave behind the altar. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Priory not Abbey? 

message: She is now the Bishop of Doncaster, so the list of canons is out of date. Mdrb55 (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sophie Jelley 

message: I've done a little tidying; trimming the very lengthy media section, converting bullet-point lists to prose, and cutting a few of the less-strong images. I'm still not sure about the images. There is a long right-hand side string, most of which don't seem to relate to the aligned sections, and aren't all of great quality. I'm also not certain about the lead image - with no disrespect to the author and acknowledging it does show the building quite well - I'm not sure it quite conveys the building's grandeur. I intend to try swapping a few in/out. Any concerns, just shout here. At some stage the Architecture section also needs a complete overhaul. KJP1 (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidy and images