Talk:German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran

message: Added a link to the 16/3/8 news.com.au article on the discovery of the wreck  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blacklord (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wreck of the ship found 

message: The sonar images from the Finding Sydney Foundation "press room" CAN be used reproduced under the terms of the Foundation's legal information. Images of the Kormoran are here. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you read, but the following comes from their website:  
Socrates2008 (Talk) 03:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep reading further down the same page.
 203.7.140.3 (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonar images of the wreckage 

message: This page gives the definition of HSK as Handelsstörkreuzer, or "commerce disruption cruiser", but Detmers himself states (on page 12 of the Kimber edition of The Raider Kormoran) that it stands for Handelsschutzkreuzer, "merchant navy protection cruiser".
Do we have a source for the currently provided definition?
Jb17kx (talk) 02:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, didn't notice this question until just now.  Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships, 1922-1946, defines HSK as Handelsstörkreuzer or "commerce disruption cruiser" on p. 246.  Conway's is by no means absolute, but there is a source for the currently provided definition. TomTheHand (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The German medal citation for Detmers mentions Hilfskrauzer (Auxiliary cruiser). Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of HSK 

message: The caption under the image Kormoran lifeboat, Carnavon states that the plaque says, incorrectly, that 52 Germans survived in that lifeboat. Can it be verified that this is indeed incorrect?
SaintJimmy505 (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Plaque on Lifeboat? 

message: Finding Sydney Foundation has released photos of the Kormoran wreckage. These photos can be uploaded to Wikipedia (not Wikicommons) if a reasonable case for fair use is made and subject to the terms on the Finding Sydney Foundation press page. See for example :Image:HMAS Sydney wreck, 64.jpg. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 06:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROV photos of Kormoran 

message: Given as Reference 9 the probable scene of engagement turned out to be rocks so this needs to be corrected.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.194.44.18 (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Probable scene of Engagement is not the scene of Engagement. 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: There seems to be a little confusion here, according to recent edits.</br> When Kormoran was in German waters she was disguised as a Sperrbrecher, to conceal her true purpose; once she had left there, to get through the British blockade, she changed her disguise to be the Soviet freighter V. Molotov (the Soviet Union being neutral at the time, and habitually secretive). Once through she changed again (I can't remember to what). It was all described by Detmers in his book. We didn't have an article on pathfinder ships before, but now we do. Xyl 54 (talk) 17:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like its all my screwup. At the time I wrote the content for Kormoran, there was no article for the German Sperrbrecher, so instead of using the German word without/with minimal context, I attempted to use, and redlink to, what I though would be a catch-all term. I thought that pathfinder ship would be a catch-all term for ships of that general role, not realising that this appears to be a specific Allied/British classification of auxiliary warship. it would probably be better to un-pipe the link to avoid even more confusion. -- saberwyn 20:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I should confess, the confusion appears to be mine. :( :( It looked like she was already in international waters when the guise was changed. On more careful reading, which I should've done before, not... May I suggest a change to Sperrbrecher, rather than "pathfinder"? (That suggests an Allied convoy leader to me.)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  20:58 & 21:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running the blockade 

message: Given the build of the ship, which looks as freighter like as I've ever seen, can someone please give me the reference for stating that the Steiermark was build as a passenger vessel for the HAPAG? Thanks. 
--134.171.184.245 (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to think that cite [1] (Frame, HMAS Sydney, p. 45 - cited at end of paragraph) is where the claim is made, but investigation of offline sources is required, which may take some time. -- saberwyn 08:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2008 updated edition of Frame's book states that she was a "a cargo ship of 9800 tons" (p. 59). Nick-D (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed. I'll try to access the edition used here for a specific cite. -- saberwyn 20:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passenger vessel? 

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message: Detmers warned that if the piano caused any problems among the crew, it would be pushed overboard.
— It's difficult to envision just how the presence of a piano could cause "problems among the crew." Can this rather amusing sidelight be clarified? Sca (talk) 15:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have access to the source at this time, and don't think it really elaborated. I assume that "problems" would be things like disruptions to shipboard activites, arguments over who got to use it when, or what was played, etc. Access to a piano in the middle of the deep blue is a privilege that should not be abused. -- saberwyn 09:32, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Germans were and remain a passionately musical lot. All you need is one Bach lover looking sideways at a Mozart freak... Rumiton (talk) 14:23, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Piano 'problems'

message: We have two explanations for this abbreviation. Handelsstörkreuzer (trade disruption cruiser) and Handelsschutzkreuzer (trade protection cruiser.) Australian defence sites are about equally divided. Does anyone know anything definitive? Rumiton (talk) 13:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: HSK

message: This article, and other related articles, say the German Navy operated ten merchant cruisers.
I used to own a book that devoted a chapter to the cruises of all her WW2 merchant cruisers.  I understand the confusion, as the first wave of cruisers included ten vessels.  A second wave was sent out, also of ten vessels.
Only one vessel participated in both the first and second wave.  So, there were a total of 19 vessels.  Geo Swan (talk) 00:43, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: 19 vessels? Then name them! On https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Hilfskreuzer_(Kriegsmarine) there is a list of 11 (eleven)and these were all, not one more. Even Togo is mentioned which never was used, only planned to be used as a merchant cruiser! 80.151.9.187 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

text: "Only one vessel participated" - again which vessel? I have at least Thor and Komet which made two sorties! 80.151.9.187 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of vessels...

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message: How could this be true: "Korvettenkapitän (Lieutenant Commander) Theodor Detmers was selected to command Schiff 41 in July 1940; the 37-year-old was the youngest man to command a German merchant raider.[4][7]"
When Felix von Luckner was 35 years old when he took command of the SMS Seeadler (1888)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_von_Luckner
Either von Luckner's date of birth is wrong, or that fact is wrong.  I mean, an incorrect statement is still incorrect even if quoted, right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.227.11 (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Theodor Detmers vs. Felix von Luckner as youngest commander of a German merchant raider