Talk:Borat/Archive 1

message: I've edited the opening paragraph to make it obvious that Borat, like Buffy Anne Summers or James T. Kirk, is a fictional character. As it was, the article (or at least its opening paragraph) seemed to participate in Cohen's joking pretense that Borat is a real person, which effectively made the article an advertisement for Cohen's work rather than reportage of it. An encyclopedia should remain independent. Christopher Powell 17:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Borat a fictional character

message: A full Borat article? Are you people mental?
-G
Why? It's necessary to appeal to standards. Besides, Sacha Baron Cohen was on the Time Magazine's 100 most influential people. And the character of Borat lowered Anti-Semitism 3%. So it is relevant. 75.57.122.135 17:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia is a joke

message: Borat → Borat Sagdiyev — Expand the article name to avoid any confusion between that and the movie title that is usually abbreviated to just Borat. waffle iron talk 03:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: nobody mensions his bear Oxiana
(~~Kye~~)
The Borat Soundboard - Popular Borat sound clips site www.e-subversive.net/soundboards/borat/
Thanks, and keep up the great work!
I'm pretty sure some of them violate copyrights.
:Can someone please have a look at the extrenal links - it looks more like a myspace/youtube advertisers banner board than a set of links which add value/perpsective to an article! I have reverted five this afternoon which were a combination of spam/lonesome blogs. Rgds, - Trident13 15:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you're new here, you might want to ask why these are inappropriate. — edgarde 12:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: WP:NOT#MIRROR states "On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate, marking the link as such." Gdo01 20:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BORATS BEAR 

message: The link to the YouTube video in the Notes section should be removed according to the new addition in WP:RS#YouTube. Ekantik 14:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No YouTube

message: I read that the Wikipedia entry for Kazakhstan has been locked from editing after it was vandalized with comments about Borat. Would it be worth adding this fact in this article?
:You could try, but I imagine it would be reverted almost immediately.  It's just not particularly important.  You should also sign your posts with four tildes. MGlosenger 23:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia

message: I added a portion of Broadwater's statement about how the media should be brought under stricter control of the FCC, simply because I think it's a revealing look into the mentality of the sort of people who are silly enough to be duped by Borat. Any objections?BarrettBrown 03:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Broadwater

message: "On a previous occasion, Borat responded to official Kazakh complaints by issuing his own press release, which consisted of random Cyrillic characters."
Is this press release available anywhere? I have not seen it, but am wondering if it might be not random, but actually in the "Borat code". Heh, secret Borat messages. --Lph 13:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borat's "Kazakh" press release 

message: Film has been banned in Russia and won't be shown in Ukraine (Distributors are the same).
Kievboy 15:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  News: Banned in Russia & Ukraine 

message: In the text of the hoax victims area, there's a lot of info on this woman who claims she lost her job because of the Borat interview in a movie.  According to the current article re:Borat from AP, she has provided two versions of this story: one where she was fired, and one where she left the station.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_en_mo/film_borat_s_victims
"Although Arthur has said she was fired from the show, she told the AP that she left the station."
Since this is a particularly damning example of the effects of Borat's methods, perhaps this entry should be tempered until all of the facts are in?  74.136.204.81 04:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  News: Woman Loses Job 

message: See here
So I think we should definitely make it a bit better...
:The 4th most popular page is also one of the most heavily vandalized pages as of late. Unfortunately, from the roves of IP vandals, I have had to semi-protect this page from editing by anons and new registered users. Nishkid64 21:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you can disregard the pages a head of it, since they're not articles.  So technically, its the most viewed.  Actually raises the question of "what the hell?"--KrossTalk 13:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  News: 4th most popular Wiki page 

message: I added a section on litigation to the article to make a space for those complaints against Mr. Borat which have become destined to be resolved in courts of law. I feel this deserves its own section in the article, seeing as how it's more serious than just somebody voicing their displeasure. takethemud 15:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did that yesterday.  Besides, it's not really appropriate to say "boys" when we don't know their ages.  Kasreyn 07:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Litigation 

message: A long list of lawsuits have been filed against the makers of the borat film. The information about these cases is dispersed in different parts of Wikipedia, such in Borat, Ed Fagan, Glod, Dâmboviţa, Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, Mahir, Sacha Baron Cohen. What do people think about having a starting a Borat Lawsuits page which will consolidate details and updates of the various lawsuits, which the other pages can link to? Abu ali 09:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borat lawsuits 

message: Some mention should be made of the misuse of the Romanian villagers seen in the first scene.  Though given an entire 3 pounds, they were not told that they were being savagely ridiculed. In the words of the one-armed man in that village who had no idea that he was being mocked,  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6113036.stm
"Our region is very poor, and everyone is trying hard to get out of this misery. It is outrageous to exploit people's misfortune like this to laugh at them."
Source
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415871&in_page_id=1770>
(And many others)
On top of the frat boys filing lawsuits the poverty-stricken village used to depict prostitution and rape among its villagers is suing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415871&in_page_id=1770
: this article is about the character Borat. not the movie Scotty.n 10:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misuse of Villagers 

message: "Borat" has extreme similarities with Yakov Smirnov's (broken English, sweeping generalizations about life in Eastern Europe, etc.) that I'm stunned Smirnov hasn't taken legal action against Cohen for the character.  I'm just as shocked that nobody else seems to notice the similarities.If not Yakow Smirnov then take a look at Mahir Çağrı (A internet celebrity), the suit,moustache and broken english are extremely similar to Borat's. Luckily Mahir has taken some legal actions and is now asking Hollywood if he can have his own movie. Even in the light of his tacky and tasteless comedy, the most controversial and insulting aspect of "Borat" is that he's entirely devoid of originality. --M.Neko 00:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean this Turkish guy? --71.124.9.90 01:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar Character

message: Isn't he based on this meme? The Russian guy that wants to make love to women.
:Do you mean this Turkish guy? --71.124.9.90 01:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Guy Internet Meme

message: so, do you think this might have a place in this article? dposse 18:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mahir Cagri (Turkey) 

message: Kazachstan has mixed opinions on the character and although some would prefer to kill him, some support him and laugh with. The Kazach president gave a visit to George Bush, the day after Borat was standing outside the whitehouse, asking if he could leave a message for Bush.  The president did not mention Borat although "The Times" published a 4 page article about Kazachstan and writing about how civilised the country really is.  
YES, HIS CHARACTER IS NOT APPLICABLE TO A KAZAKH OR WHOEVER WHO LIVES IN KAZAKHSTAN !
"In November 2005, following Borat's hosting of the MTV Europe Music Awards in Lisbon, the Kazakh Foreign Ministry voiced their concerns about the character. " No details are given about what in particular the Ministry found offensive in the performance.  Maybe a brief summary of the most contentious points is in order?
:"The differences between Borat's fictional homeland in Kazakhstan and the actual people and way of life in the country are so far apart that some speculate whether Cohen made it that way to be a satire of Western views of the world."
Isn't this overexplaining things a little? I got the "no shit, Sherlock" feeling from reading it. I mean, this character is making a parody on racism, prejudices and political correctness. That's the very foundation of the kind of comedy Sasha Baron Cohen uses. -- Northgrove 11:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of very stupid/ignorant/naive/misguided people out there for whom this level of clarity is helpful.  Some people - especially in America where views of central Asia are typically poor and inaccurate - would likely believe this representation to be close to accurate, even if they recognise that it is a parody.  I'd say, if in doubt, over-specification in an encyclopaedia is far more useful than under-specification. CastorQuinn 12:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakhstan

message: I'd like to know how we can incorporate the comments of Erlan Idrissov [Kazakhstani Ambassador to the UK] on Borat, as found in The Times and carried by BBC News? This would make a very useful addition to this article. Ekantik 05:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakhstan ambassador on Borat

message: in the part where he gets booed at a rodeo his call for bush  to drink the blood of Iraqis actually wasn't booed but was met with some looks of incredulity and substantial cheers. he only got booed when he started doing the mangled anthem.
The entry states that Borat sang a mangled version of the American national anthem at a rodeo which caused the crowd to boo him, and that this appeared in his film. In fact, what Borat sang was (his version of) the Kazakh national anthem to the tune of the American national anthem. 204.69.40.13 19:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Anthem

message: ==Religion of Borat?==
I remember seeing something about Borat's religion, saying he followed Thelema. In the Borat movie, he claims "I follow the way of the hawk". This could refer to Thelema seeing as Horus is the hawk-headed sun god. -- ErikB 18:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Traits & Origins 

message: I remember seeing something about Borat's religion, saying he followed Thelema. In the Borat movie, he claims "I follow the way of the hawk". This could refer to Thelema seeing as Horus is the hawk-headed sun god. -- ErikB 18:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion of Borat?

message: I filmed Sacha Baron Cohen's first experiments with a proto Borat character in 1995 for LWT/Granada TV and again in 1996 for BBC's Comedy Nation; I have added a wee bit about the early development of the character and dropped mention of Mahir Çağrı and the mysterious Russian Doctor further down the acticle (these i believe are both influences on the development of Borat but not on his initial creation)  Junius 09:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of Borat 

message: == Caricature vs. Satire ==
I think borat is more of a sex god of a satire. I didn't change it because I am completely confident in this assessment
* I agree, almost all of Baron-Cohen's wearing of spandex as a very strong aspect of satire and steamy sexyness. Alternatively, its entirely possible that Borat is both a caricature and a satire? A satirical caricature? I think its important to include the satire reference though, its the fact that its blatantly satirical that stops the characters from being blatantly racist and offensive. Jdcooper 23:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol.
Borat being from kazakhstan is irrelevant. He may as well be from elbonia (mah). He is a character designed to be from "backwards eastern country" used to make fun of westerners and their ignorance, be they UK drama students or American farmers. He is satire that happens to make use of a caricature of a man from the eastern block (blok?). WookMuff 03:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If you read on the Kazakhstan page, you'll see that Kazakh refers to the members of the Kazakh ethnic group, whereas Kazakhstani means everyone from Kazakhstan.  Until Borat comes out and says he's specifically of Kazakh descent, Kazakhstani is the only way to refer to him. Dave420 12:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: May I suggest you check with your nearest dictionary?  They don't agree with you:  Kazakh:  "1. a member of a nomadic Muslim people living mainly in Kazakhstan.  2. the Turkic language of the Kazakh people."  and Kazakhstani: "adj : of or pertaining to Kazakhstan or to the Kazakhs or their culture [syn: Kazakhstani] n : a native or inhabitant of Kazakhstan".Dave420 10:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: However, it is not clear whether one of Sellers' characters would have told a female member of the Oklahoma City Council that he  wishes to "make a romance inside of you", followed by the exclamation "all day I think of you, no clothes, wa-wa-wee-wa. That is very wonderful."
While it might be true, it is hardly encyclopedic in tone or in content. It reads like it was taken from an entertainment magazine, not a book of world knowledge. (|-- UlTiMuS 02:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Semantics and Syntax

message: I think borat is more of a sex god of a satire. I didn't change it because I am completely confident in this assessment
* I agree, almost all of Baron-Cohen's wearing of spandex as a very strong aspect of satire and steamy sexyness. Alternatively, its entirely possible that Borat is both a caricature and a satire? A satirical caricature? I think its important to include the satire reference though, its the fact that its blatantly satirical that stops the characters from being blatantly racist and offensive. Jdcooper 23:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol.
Borat being from kazakhstan is irrelevant. He may as well be from elbonia (mah). He is a character designed to be from "backwards eastern country" used to make fun of westerners and their ignorance, be they UK drama students or American farmers. He is satire that happens to make use of a caricature of a man from the eastern block (blok?). WookMuff 03:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caricature vs. Satire 

message: This article makes extensive use of "Kazakhstani" as an adjective.  Isn't "Kazakh" correct?  Or does "Kazakh" denote only someone from the Kazakh ethnic group, while "Kazakhstani" can be anyone or thing associated with the country? 
Oh, and to offset this pedantic inquiry: Borat is hilarious.  Wawa weewa! --Jfruh 00:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read on the Kazakhstan page, you'll see that Kazakh refers to the members of the Kazakh ethnic group, whereas Kazakhstani means everyone from Kazakhstan.  Until Borat comes out and says he's specifically of Kazakh descent, Kazakhstani is the only way to refer to him. Dave420 12:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: May I suggest you check with your nearest dictionary?  They don't agree with you:  Kazakh:  "1. a member of a nomadic Muslim people living mainly in Kazakhstan.  2. the Turkic language of the Kazakh people."  and Kazakhstani: "adj : of or pertaining to Kazakhstan or to the Kazakhs or their culture [syn: Kazakhstani] n : a native or inhabitant of Kazakhstan".Dave420 10:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kazakh" vs. "Kazakhstani" 

message: I removed this line recently:
:However, it is not clear whether one of Sellers' characters would have told a female member of the Oklahoma City Council that he  wishes to "make a romance inside of you", followed by the exclamation "all day I think of you, no clothes, wa-wa-wee-wa. That is very wonderful."
While it might be true, it is hardly encyclopedic in tone or in content. It reads like it was taken from an entertainment magazine, not a book of world knowledge. (|-- UlTiMuS 02:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unencyclopedic sentence

message: Someone referenced most of the language in the movie is either hebrew or polish... Actually, pretty much all of Azamat's speech is Armenian, as he is Armenian himself (most of it is even what the dialogue is stating).
ArdenD 19:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian

message: The person who edited this article suggested that "bishkek" was probably a variant spelling of "beefcake".
Bishkek is the capital of Kyrgistan - look on the map! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.241.176.209 (talk) 11:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of "bishkek"

message: I changed an "ә" to an "а" in the "assumed Cyrillic" of Borat's first name. If this is incorrect (if schwa is a Kazakhstani Cyrillic letter, I guess) feel free to change it back. --Quuxplusone 14:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ә to а 

message: Dear EyeoftheTig3r
I changed his song to the real song in Hebrew. I don't know base of what you changed it back (Controversy)?
You can check in google:
"קום בחור עצל וצא לעבודה"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9D+%D7%91%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A8+%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%9C+%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%90+%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%95%D7%93%D7%94%22&btnG=Google+Search
-OR- 
http://users.tapuz.co.il/yardena/lyracis/kombahor.htm
You will find more then 20 results.
ALSO
please check what I wrote: "kum bachur atzel" in google. it's an Hebrew folk song.  20:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew song

message: What is the "bing bang" song where he makes clicks and twitches his eyelids?--Sonjaaa 19:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a made-up song.  It is supposed to be by the (fictional) pop star Korki Buchek. --Lph 18:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "bing bang" song

message: "homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats".
I thought he wrote that it was not true that homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats? --Sumple (Talk) 06:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the line was something about Kazakhstan being tolerant, for example homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats. Or something like that. Gdo01 02:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats" 

message: Didn't he say that he followed the comic character the "Hulk" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk)?
I am pretty sure he said "I follow the Hawk" in reference to the hawk on the flag of his home country this makes much more sense to me. Daniel J. Leivick 22:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "follows the hawk." 

message: =="Hunting deer...then Jew."==
I saw the movie tonight, but I did not see this scene:  One Borat scene involves his visiting the Serengeti Range in Texas, where the owner of the ranch reveals himself to be so anti-Semitic as to believe that Hitler's 'Final Solution' was a necessity for Germany. He further implies (with the egging on of Borat) that he would have no problem running a ranch where people can hunt, in Borat's words, "deer... then Jew." .  Was it taken out?  Bubba73 (talk), 03:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen all the deleted scenes and the movie but I have never seen this. I think I heard about it which probably means this is from the TV show not the movie. Gdo01 03:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the character, not just the movie. That scene was from the Ali G show, though it was possibly filmed previous to that in umm whatever show SBC was on before The Ali G show WookMuff 10:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That scene is availabel at youtube. It rox.--81.231.109.219 21:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scene Specific 

message: I saw the movie tonight, but I did not see this scene:  One Borat scene involves his visiting the Serengeti Range in Texas, where the owner of the ranch reveals himself to be so anti-Semitic as to believe that Hitler's 'Final Solution' was a necessity for Germany. He further implies (with the egging on of Borat) that he would have no problem running a ranch where people can hunt, in Borat's words, "deer... then Jew." .  Was it taken out?  Bubba73 (talk), 03:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen all the deleted scenes and the movie but I have never seen this. I think I heard about it which probably means this is from the TV show not the movie. Gdo01 03:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the character, not just the movie. That scene was from the Ali G show, though it was possibly filmed previous to that in umm whatever show SBC was on before The Ali G show WookMuff 10:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That scene is availabel at youtube. It rox.--81.231.109.219 21:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Hunting deer...then Jew."

message: Can anyone imagine the outrage that would insue if a comedian from Kazakhstan had pretended to be a Jew and made such a derogetory and insulting portrayal of the Jewish people?  Of course it'd be a cold day in hell before any such film would be released by a major Hollywood studio.  Or what if the culture being mocked were Black (African American, African, Carribean, or whatever)?  I imagine there would have been riots in the streets of America if any such film were to make it to the theatres.  But I guess since the victim culture was one which most Americans know almost nothing about and which doesn't have any sort of influential minority community in the States then it's ok to make shit up about them and laugh at them as being a bunch of stupid backwards butt-fuckers...
Of course defenders of the film will likely argue that  it was an over-the-top farce comedy that nobody will take seriously, but for many Americans, this will be their first impression of the nation of Kazakhstan, a nation they know nothing about, and a nation which (at least as far as I know) never did (the British Jew) Sacha Baron Cohen any harm.  So I think Mr. Cohen owes the people of Kazakhstan an appology for his completly unwarranted bigotry against their nation.  128.206.155.237 17:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the smears against Kazakhstan were unfair, and a few Western commentators have started to address this.  I started a new section in the article to discuss these criticisms.  Helvetica 19:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You'd have to be pretty naive to even entertain the notion that Borat's Kazakhstan is in any way representative of the real-world version.  Your analogy would be more akin to someone dressing up in an alien costume, saying they're Jewish, then trying to eat a bag of nails - nonsensical at best, with no basis in reality.  That wouldn't make anyone upset in the slightest.  The disappointment from Kazakhstan is from the great efforts Kazakhstan has made in self-development in recent years, trying to be a normal European/central-Asian country.  The only people who are getting upset with this movie are people lacking either a sense of humour, or knowledge of the world past their own borders. Dave420 13:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  The "Boratistan" in the movie is so obviously fake, yet the depicted America is absolutely true. So which country really gets the smear? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.97.74.170 (talk) 02:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It most definitely is not non-fiction.  The entire journey and plot is engineered, including "twists", and the fictionality is obscured from the film.  In other words, the 4th wall is in full-effect, and as such is not non-fiction :) Dave420 13:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with your comments.  Borat was definitely a documentary about Americans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.204.0 (talk) 19:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MOCKUMENTARY —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.107.157.99 (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The Borat movie already has its own page: Borat:_Cultural_Learnings_of_America_for_Make_Benefit_Glorious_Nation_of_Kazakhstan. Hope that helps. Ekantik talk 14:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but what I meant was that Borat should redirect to that page and not here. Kakun 23:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Overarching Wikipedia policy is still to use the most common name (Pelé, not Edson Arantes do Nascimento). "Sagdiyev" is neither well-known nor was it even his original name, and people linking to just "Borat" most likely do not mean the movie. If it should link to anything else, Borat should go to Borat (disambiguation). 82.92.119.11 20:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree Abu ali 21:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I would have to disagree, it simply states that a majority of the radical Islamic people are to the south. It does not imply a stereotype. Simply it is a sad truth of the region, there are radical peoples of every religion, not just Islam. Icarus999 13:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Deleted. Even if Candid Camera could be demonstrated as an influence, a link would have sufficed. Thanks for pointing this out. — edgarde 14:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if the portrayals had been reversed? 

message: One section of the article describes the film as "nonfiction."  I'm not sure this is really accurate.  It's true that many of the scenes were filmed with people (non-actors) who believed that a real documentary was being made, but of course the main character and his side-kick were both actors and their characters were completely made up and their pretense was completely false.  So I think we should try and come up with a better label than "nonfiction" for the film.  Helvetica 20:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It most definitely is not non-fiction.  The entire journey and plot is engineered, including "twists", and the fictionality is obscured from the film.  In other words, the 4th wall is in full-effect, and as such is not non-fiction :) Dave420 13:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with your comments.  Borat was definitely a documentary about Americans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.204.0 (talk) 19:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MOCKUMENTARY —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.107.157.99 (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nonfiction" 

message: I have added Korki Buchek (Corky Bucek) to the Lingo section, taking care to be concise and make it clear that he is fictional.  The spelling "Korki Buchek" has been deciphered from the captions in an MTV promotional video so I am assuming it to be the canonical spelling. --Lph 17:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korki Buchek 

message: It should be moved to Borat Sagdiyev. He's a fictional person, not a fictional animal. And Borat should direct to the movie, of course. Kakun 15:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Borat movie already has its own page: Borat:_Cultural_Learnings_of_America_for_Make_Benefit_Glorious_Nation_of_Kazakhstan. Hope that helps. Ekantik talk 14:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but what I meant was that Borat should redirect to that page and not here. Kakun 23:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Overarching Wikipedia policy is still to use the most common name (Pelé, not Edson Arantes do Nascimento). "Sagdiyev" is neither well-known nor was it even his original name, and people linking to just "Borat" most likely do not mean the movie. If it should link to anything else, Borat should go to Borat (disambiguation). 82.92.119.11 20:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Borat Sagdiyev]]

message: The paragraph that follows is from the article, and bashes Muslims. It implies that they are the stereotypical radical terrorists who attack the West. Kaiser matias 21:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Abu ali 21:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I would have to disagree, it simply states that a majority of the radical Islamic people are to the south. It does not imply a stereotype. Simply it is a sad truth of the region, there are radical peoples of every religion, not just Islam. Icarus999 13:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little POV here 

message: I have heard and seen both Borat compare to the size of his khram. It would seem most fitting for his   khram to be "thick like can of Pringles" due to the elongated nature of a Pringles can. I would see this as more fitting. Perhaps "Borat describes his khram 'thick like Pringles can' or less commonly, 'thick like Pepsi can'"? Icarus999 06:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pringles or Pepsi? 

message: Is there any relevance in the Advertisement for Candid Camera you have in the section: Sacha Baron Cohen's modus operandi? I don't see why people who want to read/research Borat would want to read about the premise of Candid Camrea. Deletion?
:Deleted. Even if Candid Camera could be demonstrated as an influence, a link would have sufficed. Thanks for pointing this out. — edgarde 14:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candid Camera Relevance 

message: It says in the article that people are, "being unmasked for what they really are: antisemites" when Baron Cohen himself has said that the people are not necessarily actively antisemitic but at the very least are comfortable with antisemitism around them. Baron Cohen is not exposing outright racism in people but instead the idea that these people do not object to such racism.
:Specifically, the quote is "Did it reveal that they were anti-Semitic? Perhaps. But maybe it just revealed that they were indifferent to anti-Semitism."  The entire modus operandi section reads like (poorly written) opinion, by the way. 76.167.145.143 04:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he isn't. The Sky May Be 06:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This is correct.  Do a google search on Honty Spong and you'll see the similarities are very striking.  :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.203.21 (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just did one, they are. NOT !!! nothing returned in the search. --ROASTYTOAST 01:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism? 

message: i see that people are making comments on borat the movie, or the actor of borat. when really this is an article on borat the FICTIONAL character. you should keep that in mind maybe Scotty.n 10:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: REMEMBER THAT THIS IS AN ARTICLE ON BORAT THE <B>FICTIONAL</B> CHARACTER

message: Maxmanbe 13:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPELLING 

message: Most of this is complete crap:
"In fact, Kazakhstan is one of the most tolerant Central Asian nations because almost half its population is Russian, who are historically Orthodox, and its native Kazakhs are not particularly devoutly Muslim, usually mixing Islam with pagan rituals; the most radical Muslim elements belonging to the Uzbek population in the south.http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=701"
- Russians certainly do not make up half the population of Kazakhstan. And gauging the country's level of tolerance by counting up the number of Muslims (who are apparently all intolerant bigots) is not just POV, it's downright prejudiced. In any case, Borat does not claim to be Muslim, he follows "the Hawk".
Palefire 12:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: nonsense about Kazakhstan

message: Why are there so many links to wiktionary? The terms linked are not difficult to understand, and surely, it is reasonable to expect the reader to have a dictionary at home or access to dictionary.com (or any other online dictionary). Linking reduces the readability of the text, and is only justified when the links are sufficiently useful. Rintrah 17:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: wiktionary

message: I've removed the following section under "Controversies" because it does not directly discuss the character "Borat" or his usages in television/film:
Using people in nonfiction films
Fresh Air's critic at large (and film critic for Vogue magazine) John Powers pointed out on November 24, 2006 that the standard technique of documentary filmmakers "using" people when they have signed release can cause problems. The filmmaker takes the raw footage and edits it to portray the filmmaker's point of view and may distort the object of the people, in this case in documentary nonfiction — real actual people, who are being portrayed. Powers related a story of how he was used when another filmmaker asked him for an interview about a movie director whom Powers admired and filmed a whole hour. But the finished film only showed a few seconds of the interview when Powers made a nasty comment about that director. Powers attributes the controversy to the nonfiction format.
--LeflymanTalk 20:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General claim removed from article 

message: Statistics of Kazakhstan: Kazakh (Qazaq) 53.4%, Russian 30%, Ukrainian 3.7%, Uzbek 2.5%, German 2.4%, Tatar 1.7%, Uygur 1.4%, other 4.9% (1999 census). - CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kz.html#People. And Religion: Muslim 47%, Russian Orthodox 44%, Protestant 2%, other 7%. So Muslims are not the majority. BTW, Kazakhstan is one of the most peaceful nations I've seen, due to both Christians and Muslims co-operating! Let's not have the two groups bash each other, the duo that fought side by side to defeat Hitler, and then return to their homeland. Just cause Bin Laden's a wacko, doesn't mean all Muslims are, just as Hitler didn't represent all Germans. My POV: I'm a Christian, who believes that we should stop fucking each other on Earth and begin exploring space instead. Here's how I'd alter the quote: "In fact, Kazakhstan is one of the most tolerant Central Asian nations because almost half its population is Russian, who are historically Orthodox, and its native Kazakhs are usually mixing Islam with with other religions and pagan rituals." At least it's factual and professional, and doesn't bash neighboring countries.
ABC 12:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics of Kazakstan 

message: I reverted vandalism to this article that I mistakenly attributed to User:Gdo01. Just to make it clear, the vandalism was done by  User:65.12.137.219 and I misread the history page. Gdo01 is completely innocent. Please accept my apologies - this was an honest mistake, not meant to flame Gdo01 in any way.
Qwertyca 01:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apologies to Gdo01 

message: First of all, I see a number of spelling mistakes in this article. I'll correct the ones that I do find, but it seems as if this article was written by someone who doesn't use spell check.
Also, Is it really necessary to say that 'we' were overwhelmed by irony when Cohen, who is a Jew, makes fun of Jews? It just sounds like a flag or a phrase with the intent to flag anti-Semite censors that this comedian or this page is not, in fact, anti-Semite. It sould be held that any material here on Wikipedia, unless specifically on these subjects at hand, are neutral and do not need to include such cute nuances as the last sentence in this opening paragraph, as it should be a given that this page or this media released to a public audience already has had *sufficient* warning that there is no anti-Semitism related with this movie or character.
I moved the aforementioned part from the opening paragraph into "Political Beliefs", that it may find relevance there.
--Benjamin Thomas Krueger [구태양 (具太陽)] 08:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Mistakes and Opening Paragraph 

message: I thought his favorite hobby was dressing up as goat and dancing' as per the magnificent movie that featured him. Without his favorite hobby the Borat's Hobbies section is quite incomplete. High five. Aditya Kabir 12:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borat's hobbies 

message: Borat is based on a real person named "Honty Spong".
:No, he isn't. The Sky May Be 06:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct.  Do a google search on Honty Spong and you'll see the similarities are very striking.  :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.203.21 (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just did one, they are. NOT !!! nothing returned in the search. --ROASTYTOAST 01:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borat is based on a real person 

message: What happened to his fictional bio, why was it deleted? --ROASTYTOAST 01:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  current revision: 01:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

message: The parts in list format on the article are more readable in the list format (enjoyable too), so why would Wikipedia standards require it to be re-written in prose format that would reduce both readability and enjoyment? Or, is it some blind law that has to be adhered to without rhyme or reason? Aditya Kabir 03:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List or prose? 

message: This category is for real people who are antisemites. It is not for fictional characters. Please stop restoring this category to this article.--Sefringle 06:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Anti-Semitic People]]

message: The Box Office Gross amounts do not tell you how much in which country.  It also assumes the person lives in the USA.  Someone needs to find an alternitive and better source. -144.132.50.66 07:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box Office Grossing 

message: Is the article talking about the real life meaning of khram or the meaning of the word as Borat uses it?
In Borat's usage, he clearly means 'penis'.  I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.  So how is it 'mistakenly' thought of as meaning penis?
MGlosenger 13:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khram 'mistakenly' thought of as penis? 

message: "Michael Scott (Steve Carell) from NBC's The Office imitated Borat's "Not!" joke in Safety Training. ("You may be asking yourself 'What am I doing on a trampoline?' Well, I thought I'd bounce here for a while, relieve some stress and then move on with my day....not!"). "
Is this really a reference to Borat? "Not!" jokes have been around for decades, is there any particular reason that this one is considered to be a reference to Borat? Haddock420 22:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not joke reference to Borat 

message: This source (#32) is broken and needs to be replaced: --Jackyd101 12:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken Link

message: There seems to be a large amount of vandalism going on to this article. Would it make sense to lock it? Rmsuperstar99 19:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Are there any objections to scrapping the lists in their entirety right now? They really don't add a not to the article. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 19:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lists. 

message: Is it of any significance that Borat resembles somewhat a young Joseph Stalin? Particularly  this image Note the similarity of hair and moustache. EvilFred
It is no coincidence, and probably explains a lot of why Borat likes Stalin so much.  In a recent gedanken-interview, Borat says:  "I'm not such to brag, but to me 'Uncle Joe' was real great-great uncle on mother's side twice removing.  When I am very small boy, I sit on knee.  Actually I think maybe was his membrum, I very little at time."  Daddydooga 23:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalin Resemblance