Talk:Nexus: The Kingdom of the Winds

message: ANOTHER mmorpg article that neglects to mention if the game is pay to play, and if it is, how much it costs. Ohemgee 06:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pay to play? 

message: User 70.242.3.16, why do you keep deleting this part of the article with no explanation given?  Teram9 21:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no it doesn't, that is very incorrect. And not only that, but he is talking to someone totally different about 5 months ago, so you probably have no clue what he is even referring to. --69.163.43.67 20:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KRU Games Deletion 

message: It looks to me as though the information is fairly correct in that the GM Marama is what the article says she is in so far as to the laws concerning in-game items and whatnot. Looking at the item lists on the fan page link there is indeed wines and pipes in the game yet discussion of those kinds of items are against the game user agreement as posted by this GM Marama character. I can also scan through the other open forum on the fansite and see many complaints by players about things the GM has done. Obviously not only one person shares these sentiments.
  Also you have not been deleting merely people's names from the article. You have gone so far as to delete the entire article about the game at least once in the past few hours with the message "stop" put in the article's place. 
  I am starting to wonder what your true motivations for deleting this entry is. Teram9 07:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviewing the game's message boards 

message: Heh I didnt mean to save the stop one, I thought I hit back. -_-
You are right in saying people disagree with Marama. I would be one of them, however I dont think it is necessary to include disagreements in the description of the game. I could just as easily totally agree with everything she says, and it would be wrong to post "Marama is awesome." We can not simply assume that the majority of the players feel this way about Marama, even if a few do. I dont think it would be a very good source if it included opinions held only by a few people, of which these people most were banned by Marama. 
The reason I am defending the deletion of this material is that I dont feel it is necessary to the description of the game as stated above. Even though many disagree with Marama, it is not right to completely ignore those who do agree with her. 
I dont think rants and bias opinions belong on an encyclopedia. 
It may also be relevent to mention that the same person who wrote the review, originally wrote the Kru game article.
 == Response == 
  I say again, the URL you posted to the game's own user agreement verifies some of the claims in that article. I also do not see how you "know" the person who reviewed the game is the one who wrote the article. Do you have evidence of this which you can provide? How are you so sure it was written by someone who was banned by the GM? Teram9 07:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re:kru games 

message: I cleaned up the grammar in this article as it was a little uneven in parts.  Also fixed some impartiality.
Though I really feel uncomfortable about this entire paragraph:
PC paths are entirely maintained by the players who are part of that path. An extreme example would be that originally, Nexon created the Spies, Merchants and Shadows, based on player proposals, as the subpaths of the Rogue path. When Nexon ruled that stated that all paths must have at least 100 members, the Shadow path (who had about 25 members) disbanded, because they thought it would destroy their role-play (and indeed, many would argue that the quota did destroy the roleplay of all of the subpaths). Nexon went along with it and replaced the Shadows with the Ranger path. At the same time Nexon also required the PC subpaths to produce a substantial number of player-run events every month to provide game content as a condition of retaining their Circles (path meeting rooms), spells, and in fact their very existence.
That, to me, is seeping with some painful grudge.  I can't see a way to fix it without cutting the whole thing, but this mention of a "quota" is quite significant.  There's got to be a better way to do this.
-Angler (216.209.116.189 02:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Edits 

message: with a million miles of an encyclopaedia.  Seriously.  We can do better than making a cheap shot at the administration of the game for "destroying role-play."  Like WW said, this is an opinion.  It doesn't belong here.
Finally as I said earlier I do believe that we can report on the Archon situation without revealing anyone's alt characters.  I think that if the focus of the article is to exploit every weakness of the game then it doesn't belong here.  Similarly the article shouldn't be a glowing review of the game.  Wikipedia needs to be impartial.  There are far too many biased phrases in this article for it to be even remotely so. -Angler (216.209.116.189 04:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well... 

message: I guess I missed the rule that said "Wikipedia is meant to be a soapbox for everyone with an agenda to promote or an axe to grind, and thou shalt not edit the resulting vitriolic rantings."
Last I looked, Wikipedia was supposed to be as impartial and unbiased as a bunch of inherently partial and biased human beings can make it. This has nothing to do with Law 41, and for the love of Orb, if you know who I am, you know I'm about as far from "a little Kru suck-up" as it's possible to get. This has everything to do with common decency, respect for others, and most of all respect for the whole concept of Wikipedia.
It's more than "Just the facts, ma'am" ... it's entirely possible to lie with facts, just by carefully selecting your facts and how you present them. It's a matter of as impartial a presentation of those facts as we can manage, and when we veer from fact (Marama is head archon) into opinion (Marama is the Antichrist/the Second Coming) then we need to look at the material and decide if it really needs to be in the article at all. When you're trying to remove biased opinions from a subject, the solution to an opinion that creeps in is not to add another contrary opinion. That's like trying to solve the problem of a skunk at a picnic by introducing a second skunk.
The purpose of this article is neither to present a glowing picture of Nexus nor to condemn it. It is to present the facts about what Nexus was and is. Personal insults, accusations of malfeasance, speculation on players' other characters, and similar crap, do not suit that purpose.
Smoothwinds, you can stop vandalizing my comments now. For one thing, this is Wikipedia, everyone can see your edits, so all you're doing is displaying your level of maturity. (or lack thereof) And for another, I'm not the one who banned you from Nexus Forums. I didn't even delete your post threatening me. One of the admins decided that was out of line, not me. So go be immature all over someone else, 'k?
Worldwalker 15:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia's Rules 

message: I have re-written the entire paragraph dealing with the Shadows' disbanding and the Rangers' creation in terms of the quota.  As I mentioned earlier, I thought that the whole paragraph was a mess.  I have modified the structure as to reflect the requirements of subpaths first, and then to worry about the quota deal second.  I also spun the "destroying role-play" comment - since it was significant - into something that was an opinion dictated by the Shadow elder and does not hold any fact.  Please feel free to improve, but please don't toss this entire section's structure because of its reqirement for a neutral point-of-view. -Angler (216.209.116.189 14:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Concerning Quota 

message: I think your changes make it seem like only the Shadows and/or Citian were unhappy with the quota. That's certainly not the case. Some people accepted it, some fought it, some have become resigned to it, some still hate it ... there's a wide range of opinion, not just that of the Shadow Elder. Plus the details of how the path was disbanded seem to be a bit of unnecessary detail, given that we're trying to keep this to a brief mention of the incident. We're writing an encyclopedia article, after all, not an whole encyclopedia!
I'll try tweaking that section a bit; see what you think of it.
Seems like Smoothwinds has gotten bored with his vandalism for now, but it might not be much of a tradeoff ... now you've got the infamous Worldwalker instead! :)
Worldwalker 16:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just the Shadows 

message: 70.30.58.65, do you actually think that replacing an encyclopaedia article with random text "alskdfwoeinwefoinwe" is going to get you anywhere?  I reverted the edit on this talk page in a matter of seconds.  Please go find somewhere else to play.
We now have a much more important situation on our hands; the article's been locked and we can't unlock it until our disputes have been solved.  Most importantly I think that trying to "shed a light" on this "corruption" in Nexus is no more than an immature ploy to "get back" at someone who you obviously have no power against in-game.  I don't play the game anymore and it's starting to make me sick how you portray youself as a sheep... to me, you're more like a wolf in sheep's skin.
Let's get back to the basics here: everyone go pick up an encyclopaedia and start reading articles about... well, stuff.  Notice how the writing style in (most) encyclopaedias is very passive and does not hold judgement -- for or against -- the topic that it's discussing.  Notice also how encylopaedias have a fantastic history of reporting facts.  Now that you've read a couple of articles, get it straight: the idea of an encyclopaeida -- any encyclopaedia at all, that is, including this one, is to present facts in a professional and neutral point of view.  If you cannot contribute to this article in such a manner, find somewhere else on the wiki to spread your filth. -Angler (216.209.116.189 02:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanking 

message: :Yes the artical was writtin by somebody who has partial grudges against those in the game. But what he stated in his original artical was all correct. Biased maybe, but no lies.
And that right there is why it doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article: Biased maybe... For those of you who still don't understand it, go read the Wikipedia documentation. The critical part: Articles should be written without bias... Your opinions, or my opinions for that matter, on what is or isn't destroying Nexus, are -- by your own admission -- biased.
-- oh you stupid stupid moron. it's your opinion that he was biased because you are biased in favor of marama. what he said was fact. plain and simple. he was showing the bad side of nexus without bias. it's your own bias that wants to squelch that truth.
:As it is this site is not bound by any gaming rules, so what some of you have been doing is breaking the sites rules for your own ends.
This is not about the rules of Nexus. This is about the rules of Wikipedia, and the neutrality of Wikipedia, and about not letting one person, or a few people, or even the whole bloody population of Nexus if it comes down to that, use a Wikipedia article as their personal soapbox.
If you have an axe to grind with Kru Interactive, with Wony, with Marama, with a subpath elder, or with anyone else in the freaking game, then go build your own soapbox. Places like GeoCities give soapboxes away for free. Go build your own, and climb up on it, and say whatever you feel like, with as much bias as you care to put into it. But keep the advocacy, pro, con, or spinning in circles, off of Wikipedia.
:In the end it is you who keep editing/deleting these articals who are at fault here. Hiding the truths and breaking this sites rules.
I've read the Wikipedia rules. They say things like "Articles should be written without bias" ... not "articles should be written to reflect the viewpoint of someone with an axe to grind." This article is about Nexus and what it is, not about what any one editor thinks of other players in the game.
I would strongly suggest that some of you scroll up a bit and read my post entitled "Wikipedia's Rules". (not to mention reading Wikipedia's rules themselves) It does not matter if someone writes "Marama is the Antichrist" or "Marama is the Messiah" -- either one would have to go. Neither is appropriate for a Wikipedia article. This is not about your or my or Smoothwinds' or anyone else's opinion of Marama. Nor of Tip. Nor of me, for that matter. This is not about my opinions of Eldridge (you want bias? I'll give you some bias!) or Rowann or Gildenstar. This is not about anyone's opinions of anyone ... or anything ... this is about getting as close to the facts as we can, and presenting them as neutrally as possible.
SUGGESTION
If people can't agree on whether or not to follow the Wikipedia rules about neutrality with regard to more recent events, perhaps we should include nothing past the departure of Eldridge. That seems to be the starting point for this whole controversy.
Worldwalker 03:55, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corruption and opinions 

message: Just an Idea, a compromise, just add at the end something like "Since most of the head position are held by players, the game leave place to corruption" without going into who is corrupted and what have been done, and stay in fact mode instead of opinion...
Shurikn 7 July 2005 15:03 (UTC)
That's kind of pointless, really ... it's like saying "Since most of the members of (fill in national legislature of your choice) are human beings, it's possible that there is corruption." (assuming by "the game leave place" you mean "it is open to" or something) Or, for that matter, saying "The sun comes up in the morning." It's not adding anything. Yeah, some people can be venal and corrupt, and some can be supremely honorable and ethical. But opening the door to another edit war over which ones are which is, I think, counter-productive here.
Worldwalker 8 July 2005 04:08 (UTC)
----
Hello everyone.  This is Soori.  Some of you may know me from NexusForums or from in-game.  Either way, I came to this article looking to improve it (I have dominated the DA article), and I find all of this!!  How about this:
* For starters, let's remove anything even remotely POV.  Let's make this article into a perfectly non-biased, simply informative article about the game.  Yes, that means no talk of corruption, no talk of who Archons are, and no bashing any player / Archon for any reason.  In fact, don't even mention controversial issues.  Simply state facts about the game, such as storyline, classes, and such things.
* Once we've done that, let's have a rational discussion.  EVERY issue can be easily presented in a non-biased, objective manner.  For example, when talking about perceived corruption from the judges:
:The Nexus Judicial system is run entirely by players.  While this allows for greater player participation in the running of the game, there are people who believe the system to be corrupt, with players using their positions for their own personal gain and to harm opponents.  One of the largest debates in the Nexus community today is as to the neutrality and fairness of the judicial system.
You see?  We manage to present an argument without belittling anybody, and present it an objective, informative way.  No names are mentioned.  It is perfectly NPOV.  If somebody goes "Ooh!  I want to learn more!" then they can go and look it up elsewhere.  Information that is not on Wikipedia does not need to follow NPOV standards.  Information that is on Wikipedia DOES.
Think about it. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 19:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise 

message: Fellow wiki heads! Please remember that there are other sections
and articles which you can contribute to - not just NexusTK.
Perhaps some of this information would be great in the MMORPG
article for example. 
===Pretty please, do not be a griefer!===
NexusTK was a great pioneer for MMORPGs and I for one
am very impressed with the community aspect of this game.
It allows a player not just to gain "hunting experience"
but real life community building/interaction experience - 
in an "online/cyberspace" environment.
This "wiki" is also a pioneer in it's own field. It is
quickly becoming an amazing free knowledge base. However,
this place's success also greatly depends on online
community building and interaction.
====NexusTK meets Wiki====
We as experienced NexusTK players should be one
of the best groups in the world to contribute to
such a project! I think the Wiki world and the
NexusTK world have a lot to learn from eachother,
so lets get started! :)
LentaLL / InTersTaTe
LentaLL
* Um...what?  I have no idea what any of this means or has to do with anything.  If it's a serious thing, please explain. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 16:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translating unaccepted content for other Articles 

message: NexusTK was a great pioneer for MMORPGs and I for one
am very impressed with the community aspect of this game.
It allows a player not just to gain "hunting experience"
but real life community building/interaction experience - 
in an "online/cyberspace" environment.
This "wiki" is also a pioneer in it's own field. It is
quickly becoming an amazing free knowledge base. However,
this place's success also greatly depends on online
community building and interaction.
====NexusTK meets Wiki====
We as experienced NexusTK players should be one
of the best groups in the world to contribute to
such a project! I think the Wiki world and the
NexusTK world have a lot to learn from eachother,
so lets get started! :)
LentaLL / InTersTaTe
LentaLL
* Um...what?  I have no idea what any of this means or has to do with anything.  If it's a serious thing, please explain. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 16:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pretty please, do not be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer griefer!]

message: We as experienced NexusTK players should be one
of the best groups in the world to contribute to
such a project! I think the Wiki world and the
NexusTK world have a lot to learn from eachother,
so lets get started! :)
LentaLL / InTersTaTe
LentaLL
* Um...what?  I have no idea what any of this means or has to do with anything.  If it's a serious thing, please explain. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 16:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NexusTK meets Wiki

message: I would like to urge everyone to view the page at User:Cabhan/Nexus and, if you accept it, to post here, that we might replace the current article.
If I receive no dissent within one week from today (September 13, 2005), I will contact an Admin to unprotect this page and replace it with the article at User:Cabhan/Nexus.
Please post your thoughts and add to that page!
-- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 21:41:40, 2005-09-06 (UTC)
Leave the whole "Diviners-controlling-everything" edits up!  It's been a part of Nexus heritage for years upon years
*unsigned edit by 
:Anything regarding the identity of the Archons is, in fact, quite unverifiable, and therefore has no place in this article. -- CABHAN TALK CONTRIBS 21:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ready for New Article? 

message: Well duh. If you flat out ignore not only Support Tickets, but a player-organized effort to mail in postcards expressing outrage over Archon behavior, then that most certaintly means there is "virtually no way to appeal an Archon's actions"-- and it's true!--Teram9 02:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kru's comments 

message: You MAY NOT delete other's people comments in the Talk section. Stop, thank you.--XxNeXuSxX 03:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  201.17.90.151 

message: Nominated the page for cleanup. INBN 17:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for cleanup 

message: I don't care if KRU doesn't want you to know their little secrets about player corruption, this page is supposed to be based on the facts, not just what KRU or Nexon wants you to know about.  Wikipedia isn't censored, so this page shouldn't be either. (I wouldn't be too suprised if a KRU employee removed the controversy section themselves. They've been known to have 'failed attempts' at hiding the truth many times.) DietLimeCola 21:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop removing controversy 

message: I'd like to see some sort of update on the matter - Vini is no longer Head judge and Marama is no longer in control. It is unfair to leave the comment "... and is predicted to lead to the eventual end of the game as a viable product" because not only is it meaningless conjecture (Predicted by who, exactly?), but because the times have obviously changed. Nexus is no longer corrupt as it once was, and it's not worth ending the section sounding as if this outdated corruption is still occuring.
--added to "abuse of judges etc." discussion:
the person who played Vini _does_ however still play Neul, and is the "justice archon" formerly known as the Justicar. The speculation may be misplaced, but past corruption is still valid as information about the game of which consumers or people interested in the history of the game should be aware- they can then make their own judgements about the viability of the game 
Well, someone replaced the speculation about "will lead to the end of the game" or whatever in 
"Controversy". I do agree such speculation is probably not suitable for a Wiki entry.
Raphaelaarchon 09:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Abuse of Judges and Archons Positions" 

message: Who keeps adding this crap about Gnoff having affairs with other girls?  I used to be a carnage host, knew him for about a year, and I have gotten no information towards this theory, and everyone I know hasn't either.  So cut it out, I don't care if you like him or not, it isn't true. 
Another thing I'd like to point out is the obvious vandalism to this page due to POV.  This page has gotten really ridiculous edits, and just because you don't like a player in a game, or like or dislike a feature in a game, doesn't mean you can use your personal POV as a fact.  I hate that... er, I hate Sindella, but do you see me vandalizing the page? No, I just stick to the facts of what happened. DietLimeCola 20:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gnoff 

message: Some of the music in Nexus are actually classic East Asian songs. The music differs from town to town. Does anyone know the titles of any of the songs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.231.245.27 (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Nexustklogo.jpg

message: The Sa San Massacre portion was written in satire.  I removed it entirely.  It is not an actual event, and only players would get its humor.  But for the sake of wikipedia rules, it does not cite any news references related to any "massacre" or protest.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhulofkoguryo (talk • contribs) 00:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Sa San Massacre 

message: Changed to external link  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Int3rnaut (talk • contribs) 05:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh how so cute 

message: Is this game not compatible with Windows Vista? NorthernThunder (talk) 04:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista? 

message: Why are the references regarding the Private servers constantly taken down? Runegard and company are factual Private servers. Shouldn't there be factual proof placed on this site? Isn't the information relevant?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Int3rnaut (talk • contribs) 21:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Servers 

message: The system requirements seem to be a little outdated.  Are we sure the requirements to play the game are really as specified?  I find it a little hard to believe that a user with a 28.8k modem can play the game.
I used to play from Beta to before the release of 5.0, and even with a 56k modem it was difficult.
--CABEGOD  03:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  System Requirements 

message: A NexusTK Private Server.
http://mornatales.tk/
MornaTK is a new NexusTK Private Server.
4 Paths: Fighter, Scoundrel, Wizard, and Priest.
3 Specializations per path.
Your decisions will determine your alignment. Good, Neutral, and Evil.
Full in Game Quest Log: Available, Begun, and Completed Quests.
Full customized builds from spell selections to stat placement.
Press 'o' on objects to interact with them. From a message to collecting an item.
Press F1 to view SP system, Quest Log, Character Status, and much more.
New Vending system so players can host small shops while afk that other players can interact with.
Come check us out in game or the facebook group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1686577578269800/?ref=bookmarks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.134.218 (talk) 03:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  MornaTK 

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