Talk:Carabinieri

message: What's the origin of the name? Seems a surprising omission from this article. 89.5.233.95 (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The name comes from the fact that they have been historically carrying rifles or carbines. Carbine is "carabina" in Italian. Ref: http://www.wordreference.com/enit/carbine Bibiki (talk) 21:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but like much info found on the 'net, that's completely wrong. The weapon is named after the soldier, not the other way round. It's from the Old French carabin, a soldier armed with a musket, which in turn derives from escarrabin (a gravedigger) which comes from scarabee, a dung beetle. Look it up in a book! Don't trust the 'net! 89.5.234.158 (talk) 14:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, which book should we look it up in then? Bibiki (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

text:  Actually what you say can be found in many places on the web: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carbine http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=carbine A discussion seems to be in order about whether their name was given to the carabinieri before or after the semantic shift (from soldier to the weapon they carried) occured in the Italian language. Bibiki (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you are thinking of Carbonari? It’s easy to confuse the words. Ian Spackman (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name origin 

message: Also, I think that mention should be made to the fact that the Carabinieri are one of the few armed forces or corps (maybe the only?) that have participated in WWII on the side of the Axis forces and have not significantly changed their appearance, uniform, marks, colors or insignia. I think that this deserves a mention because of the offense it causes to people of countries like Greece, ex-Yugoslavia countries as well as Ethiopia who were occupied by Italians, among them Carabinieri that looked practically the same. Please read here: http://fotios.org/node/2182. Cheers! Bibiki (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fotios is a blog - that is one persons personal opinion. It is fun to read this blog, but irrelevant to encyclopedic work (please read Wikipedia:No original research). --noclador (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about the abundant high-quality references and the photografic evidence. This is not original research. It is a factual observation. Is the following original research or well-known historical fact: "the Carabinieri were part of the Italian forces of occupation in Greece, Ethiopia and Yugoslavia. Whether acting alone or collaborating with the Nazis they have killed many in these countries before and during WWII." Where's the original research here? Bibiki (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

text:  on a side note: Fotios is a bit uninformed (like Afrol and the Ethiopian Ambassador to Italy) - this article is a disaster! the Südtiroler Schützenbund, which invited the ambassador is by no means "a cultural association of Italy's German-speaking minority" but a Neo-Nazi organization, which disguises its activities with a touch of cultural heritage... --noclador (talk) 05:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is this the best you could find? Can you see the Ethiopians hanging? Why don't you tell us about them and the rest 650,000 that Italian troops have killed while there? By the way, one of the most well known massacres of Ethiopians was performed by Carabinieri. Ref here: http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_axis.html Bibiki (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I saw the image - but I also saw the text beneath it and that text is a load of bs: "The Ethiopian elite was systematically exterminated by the Alpini" - pff,... Italy employed 500,000 troops in the war; and only one Alpini Division (ca. 17,000 men) were part of this huge Army - so the Alpini were just 3,4% of all forces and! the division was only formed December 31st 1935 - 3 months after the war had started!... The Schützen (as the Neo-nazis abbreviate their name) distort history (on a scale unimaginable) and for the Ethiopian ambassador and this homepage to fall for their distortion and lies, is as if we would use Mussolini speeches as sources for wiki-articles. What in Ethiopia happened amounts to genocide, but it was mostly the esercito and the CCNN Divisions that raged in Ethiopia - if you can produce more and clearer proof that the Carabinieri committed massacres in Ethiopia you can add that info with the appropriate sources of course. --noclador (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some high-quality references for you Noclador: http://www.dacb.org/stories/ethiopia/petros2_abuna.html http://books.google.com/books?id=-U7aydmefrgC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=carabinieri+ethiopia&source=bl&ots=EYAB5U0piz&sig=03FxR3GHk-yJY09ciBUszhce4JM&hl=en&ei=vRccSpLoIYOv-Abo_cHXAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7 http://books.google.com/books?id=aOZKULYp5FAC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=carabinieri+ethiopia+%22Addis+Ababa%22&source=bl&ots=rTzzFgqm5M&sig=7cH9CqlNGokxBrn8g8Njx5gYXEo&hl=en&ei=UhgcSpLhOs3R-Qa19qDXAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 http://www.linkethiopia.org/guide/pankhurst/ethiopian_patriots/ethiopian_patriots_4.html https://www.wilnitsky.com/scripts/redgallery1.dll/details?No=25762 Bibiki (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carabinieri Uniform, Colors and Insignia controversy 

message: OK, aside the WW2 discussion, it would be nice to have somewhere in the page the information of the size (servicemen strenght) of the Carabinieri, or a least a reasonable estimate, as other military forces pages on Wikipedia
189.153.214.16 (talk) 20:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  lack of info about size of the Arma 

message: When you've quite finished...
The primary means of determining an article title is the most common name in English-language sources. This does not mean the most common name in the English language. As the guideline makes clear in the examples, the name of the statue in English might be "Aphrodite of Milos", but the most common name in English-language sources is "Venus de Milo".
In this case, a simple Google search returns 0 non-WP links for "Corps of Carabiners", 2,940 for "Corps of Carabineers" and 684,000 for "carabinieri". Unless anyone can provide some particularly compelling reason to the contrary, it's clear that "carabinieri" is the most common title. No English speaker would ever refer to them as anything else. Does anyone wish to offer any comments? ninety:one   23:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whose idea was it to move the article to "Corps of Carabineers"? Corps of Carabineers is a grave naming error: a) the name Carabinieri is never translated in English b) the Carabinieri are an Arma (Army) NOT a Corps c) Carabinieri or Arma dei Carabinieri are the only 2 correct names for this article; but as no English speaker uses Arma dei Carabinieri the article MUST be left at Carabinieri. EOD. noclador (talk) 11:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move war 

message: In English language is Corps of Carabineers as properly and correctly referred. the word ‘Corps’ stands for "Corpo d'Armata" (a little bit smaller of an Army) and its led by a Lieutenant General (OF-8) -> exactly as the Italian Carabineers, by a generale di corpo d'armata, are!!! In Italian language you can use "Corpo" or "Arma" but the command chain structure are just the same, in English you can just use ‘Corps’ even if the Carabinieri were splitted by the Army and now are an autonomous Armed force. An example with the same command structure: The Corpo della Guardia di Finanza. --Nicola Romani (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are mistaken here: the Carabinieri were until their elevation to Forza Armata in 2000 both: a Corps of the Italian Army and also an Arma, in the sense of Arma di Cavalleria or Arma di Fanteria. Today they are an Arma (in both senses) and the term Corpo is not anymore used to refer to the Carabinieri. Also the Carabinieri are led by a Generale di Corpo d'Armata con incarichi speciali, which is a 4 star rank (albeit with the 4th star outlined in red and the general in question still a subaltern to a full general). This elevation of the Comandante Generale came about with the elevation of the Arma in 2000 (also since then Carabinieri Generals command the Arma, until 2000 the commanding officers were always Generali di corpo d'armata from the Esercito!). Therefore to be correct we need to refer to the Carabinieri today as an Army and not as a Corps! noclador (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (confl.) Don't think so, I'm sorry. Arm of Carabineers is also correct e.g. -> arm of artillery or arm of cavalry even if this terms are in old English and now quite unused. Moreover the word ‘arm’ may cause some misunderstandings, that's why you can also find corps of artillery and corps of cavalry. Anyway even if the Italian Carabinieri are a "barely new" Armed force, you can call them ‘Corps’ or ‘Arm’ but definitely not Army! ...About the 4 star rank, once again look to the "Corpo della Guardia di Finanza". Ciao! --Nicola Romani (talk) 21:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could you please be more specific about what you mean with "About the 4 star rank, once again look to the "Corpo della Guardia di Finanza"?? Because actually all Commanding officers of the various branches of the Italian Military have the same rank: namely Generale di Corpo d'Armata con incarichi speciali for Army, Carabinieri and Guardia di Finanza, generale di squadra aerea con incarichi speciali for the airforce and ammiraglio di squadra con incarichi speciali for the navy - which is always an OF-8 rank but with four stars/lines with one of them in a red border. The only full 4 star general in Italy (OF-9 rank) is the head of the Stato Maggiore di Difesa. noclador (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm italian, and maybe I can help you. The Italian word Carabinieri is referred to persons (is the plural of the word Carabiniere). The armed force is called "Arma dei Carabinieri". Why the article begin with:"The Carabinieri (formally Arma dei carabinieri"? It's still the official name of the Carabinieri. The word "arma" is not the italian for "army", which is translated as "armata" (a bit old-fashioned but still used in the grade "Generale di Corpo d'Armata") or as "esercito". The word "arma" actually means "weapon", but is used, in this case, as an old-fashioned version of "forza armata"  ("armed force"). The best version should be "Arm of Carabineers" because the Carabinieri are not members of the Italian Army (so the word Corp is wrong) nor the Arma dei Carabinieri is an army (is parallel to the Army) itself. The Guardia di Finanza is another military police corp which is not an armed force, but is part of the italian army (Esercito Italiano). The Guardia di Finanza's objective is to monitor finance and corporates, while the Arma dei Carabinieri is focused on crime and order.  LAUD (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: After another edit from a user, the discussion must be reopened. I agree with (talk), Arm or Corp but NOT "army". Shall we leave only "Carabinieri" withhout any other word before it? --Allions (talk) 18:35, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corps or Arm but not Army! 

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