Talk:Battle of Luzon

message: "The Philippines were considered to be of great strategic importance because their capture by Japan would pose a significant threat to the United States"
This is pretty much bs, japan in 1945 has no offensive capability and the idea that the philippines can be used to stage a threat to the US homeland is laughable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.242.4 (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's in the background section and clearly refers to 1941. Nick-D (talk) 01:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

message: In some US military rewies there was a mistake. They mismatched Leyte and Lingayen. Leyte was the aim where McArthur invaded to attack main island Luzon. Lingayen was the place where the Japanese forces invade in 1942.
This mistake is probably due to a picture showing McArthur stepping ashore (in Leyte) while a journalist - unaware of geography - wrote "McArthur sets foot on Luzon in Lingayen". 
It is true that McArthur wishes to make landfall more north as from Leyte to central Luzon and the strategic important places the way is either very far and much more easier to defend for the Japanese. Hence, he was afraid of big losses that did not appear, but not because of strategic aspects but because of Japanese weakness due to own logistic problems.
Lingayen instead presents with its gulf and especially the mouth of a big river and the Sual bay a strategic natural safe harbour. Unfortunately it is in the NW of Luzon and therefore days of travel behind the US/Japanese frontier. This makes Lingayen completely unacceptable neither as primary landing place nor as primary target. Any attempt to ship to Lingayen would have had precise observation by the Japanese as a consequence. Therefore no surprise momentum would add any strngth to US attempts. Furthermore, a Japanese counterstrike could not be observed with an adequate time factor, the Japanese supply would just occur from the deep ocean while any shipment to Leyte, the Bicol coast or the south Tagalog region could be noticed by US air forces in time and a strategic answer could be prepared. 
If McArthur really had thought of Lingayen, it was only an idea for a larger scale involvement as an attack there would require (a) a stabile air base to supply (which could be found in Leyte), (b) a secured harbour as base of all ship movements close enough (which defenitively was not realized), and (c) a strategy how to handle Maynila as it is in betweeen Lingayen and Leyte. Maynila as a final defense base for Japanese retreat with all that population inside would have ended in a catastrophy. The US naval forces at that time (with war in Europe still going on) were surely not able to act at three different places.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.156.118.173 (talk) 07:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You have quite a bit of the geography mixed up, and do you have some citation for your theory?73.212.229.38 (talk) 00:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: Hi, fellow Wikipedia editors. I´m here to talk about the acceptance of Antonio Cárdenas Rodríguez as a leader in the Allied side of the battle since he was the commander in charge of the 201st Squadron and the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force, which was under full mexican command according to their own Wikipedia pages (second paragraph of in the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force page) and any page regarding the MEAF will say the unit was acting in their own command, of course, alongside Douglas MacArthur strategies and tactics. Stturm (talk) 06:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What reliable sources state that Rodríguez was one of the main leaders in this campaign? Nick-D (talk) 11:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The most reliable source of information comes from The Mexican Expeditionary Air Force in World War II:The Organization, Training, and Operations of the 201st Squadron which also contains their official references which I couldn´t sadly find in the internet. If you go to the section of Appendix A: United States-Mexico Agreement, which is in spanish, it is said that the Expeditionary Air Force is to be treated as any other United Stated unit with the exception of Command and Administration. Command is to be carried by mexican officers with a rank of maximum Colonel (Antonio Cárdenas Rodríguez was a Colonel when he was assigned as commander). Stturm (talk) 11:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We need secondary sources which state that he was one of the main Allied leaders. If the best that's available is an appendix of a primary source which describes only the role, it doesn't seem that he was a significant figure. Nick-D (talk) 10:40, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a secondary source, it is marked in the reference 77 of the site: Teniente Coronel de Estado Mayor Enrique Sandoval Castarrica, Historia Oficial de la Fuerza Aérea Expedicionaria Mexicana (México, Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional, 1946),p. 151-154 (Lieutenant Colonel of the Mayor State Enrique Sandoval Castarrica, Official Story of the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force (Mexico, National Defense Secretariat, 1946. p. 151-154). The list says Commander and Leaders, not Main Leaders; and if that was the case, Walter Krueger was just in command of the Sixth Army, if any case I´d say you take off Krueger and put George Kenney, the commander of the whole U.S. Army in the South West Pacific Area. If you read the site, you´d know that Cárdenas was received in the Phillipines by Kenney and MacArthur and he reported his operations directly to them, he didn´t even report to the 58th Fighter Group Commander. I´d say that´s distinguished. Stturm (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Krueger was the main ground force leader for this battle. Kenney commanded the Allied air forces in the theatre. Reliable sources stress their key roles in the battle. We need sources explicitly stating that Rodríguez was one of the main leaders, which doesn't appear to be the case. Nick-D (talk) 20:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antonio Cárdenas Rodríguez