Talk:The Bat!

message: Sounds a little bit too much like marketing material from the makers of the software.
Also, it says (regarding spam filtering): "but this [is] because it is one of the default settings in the Advanced Mass Sender program, which is frequently used for sending spam mail." What is "Advanced Mass Sender"? Is it spamware, part of The Bat!, or what? 216.111.97.126 20:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Advanced Mass Sender" is a spamware. --Maxim Masiutin 11:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...made by one Max Terentiev _> MonstaPro:Talk 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably not, but you can tag the article with  tag; as long as you sign your comments! _> MonstaPro:Talk 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see any reason why the author can't write an article about his own product in an encyclopedia, after all he is supposedly the one who knows the product best. As long as he can maintain a neutral point of view in writing it that is Ufopedia (talk) 05:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Issues

message: I removed the mention that The Bat is intuituve as this is very POV (I personnally think it's not intuitive) and the refered article is just an obscure web page where it is also said that "The Bat is intuitive" without arguments. Also removed "extremely" from "extremely powerful filtering capabilities".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.87.157 (talk) 23:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Hello there, my name is Graeme; I would like to bring to your attention. That in the article there is no mention or discussion that "The Bat!"  this program is constantly used some of the most unethical means by "Dating or Romance scammers" from pretty much or all of the Former Soviet States and the current Russian Federation. I believe this is relevant in both "romance dating scams" or what is called the "Russian Marriage scams" and computer and internet security and online-fraud related issues. 
As for combating against scams using legitimate means I am informing you all regards this particular "unethical usage" of the mass mailing client "The Bat!". I actively participate on a site called "http://www.romancescam.com/" to whom we actively discusses, Russian and Nigerian scammers and their Modus Operandi and how best to "scam bait" as well as how best to track, expose, document their scams and alert other' members or the public at large who may not be aware of the wave of "dating scammer after dating scammer". 
I felt this to be an important discussion since I found no information when viewing the specs on your page concerning "The Bat!". I wish you the best in documenting this program, and its legitimate and non-legitimate and or "controversial uses". 
In your email header be in on web based email or "pop3 email client" the bat is very noticeable regards to its signature which is basically the name of the program, the version of the program and the IP-address of the scammer in suspicion.
Thank you.
>>> From Graeme, in Canada.
PS: Please note' I am speaking on behalf as an individual not as a representative of the site "romancescam.net" despite my active participation.
Please check out the relevant sites concerning dating scammers and the bat or other mass communications
http://www.romancescam.com/ an evolving database of Nigerian and Russian dating scammers.
http://www.softsea.com/review/AntispamSniper-for-The-Bat.html - a freeware program which blocks, deletes and detects spam generated by "The bat!".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.52.149.45 (talk) 21:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This topic is already discussed in the article, under the note that many spam emails are using forged headers to appear as if they're using The Bat! clients.  That aside, your post reeks of spam for your site.  The AntispamSniper plug-in is an anti-spam tool FOR The Bat! client, so it's not clear why you included it. Rurik (talk) 01:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Graeme, TheBAT is a program written by eastern-Europeans that supports languages like Russian well, thus it's hardly surprising that those guys use it.  If you're battling scammers from there - it's no surprise they might use that client.  What you fail to understand though, is that if you're trying to *date* someone from there, they too will be using that program.  The software used by someone in eastern Europe has NOTHING-TO-DO with their honesty or intentions!  You should never sling mud at "negatives" until you fully consider "false-positives" as well.  It's almost a certainty that the reason scammers pretend to use TheBAT! is because it makes them look *more* genuine, so if you're doing anything silly like blocking that program, you're cutting off all the good people (without hampering the scammers all that much - soon as they see you've blocked them, they'll change, but the good people probably won't know you blocked them or even know how to change...). 120.151.160.158 (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Dating and Romance scammers and The Bat! 

message: We have spent 4 years running our server, and from the outset we decided to use filters to forward emails containing the term The Bat! to a spam folder ..... it has  worked perfectly! 100% of The Bat! emails are spam.... this is 4 years of over 100,000 emails. 100% spam rate. In my mind, there is NO doubt that The Bat! is used almost exlusively to send spam. People can say what they like about The Bat!, but they will never convince me that it is used for legitimate purposes, as I have NEVER seen a legitimate email that includes The Bat! reach our server.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.145.39 (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the above discussion, the special software to send spam uses X-Mailer headers from arbitrary e-mail clients, to give recipients the impression that the message was sent from Outlook, The Bat!, or any other legitimate email client. If fact, the messages were never sent by Outlook or other email client. You are free to filter or delete any message by any content. But why do you think that if a spam have "X-Mailer: The Bat!" header, it was sent by "The Bat!"? I have lots of messages in my SPAM folder that have X-Mailer from Outlook but I don't believe they are from Outlook. I have spent 13 years running our server, and have found out that any technique to filter messages based on single particular trait is not as effective as weighthed-based system used by SpamAssassin software. This system takes into consideration multiple pros and cons and only think that a messag is spam if it outweithgt a particular threshold. You may delete messages that have "The Bat!" in them, or any other combination of strings, or you may delete by particular IP address from some RBLs, but your filter won't be as efficient and as easy-to-use than plain SpamAssassin. --11:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

text: To original poster, I run The Bat!, and have since 1999, as my exclusive email client.  Want me to send you some emails so that you can see a legitimate usage? ;)  To string along with the post above, you are not actually blocking emails from The Bat! clients.  You are blocking spam emails that are spoofed to say they're from The Bat!, which is a whole other issue. Rurik (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting emails containing The Bat! 

message: This article looks like an advert to me, there is a whole bunch of unverified claims with regard to The Bat and spam.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.231.195.178 (talk) 11:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bat! and SPAM! 

message: I removed the word "shareware" from the first paragraph. I did not check when it was first added, though it was before David Kirk's many recent improvements. This might have been accurate in 1998, when any software that one could download was thought of as shareware. Today, trial capabilities are standard and do not merit labeling.
Happy to discuss if there's disagreement.--Paleolith (talk) 15:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not shareware