Talk:National Donut Day

message: This paragraph has conflicting dates first mentioning 1938 then WWI:
'National Doughnut Day started on June 7, 1938 when a young military doctor by the name of Morgan Pett was sent to a military base....This fund raiser was later joined with the Salvation Army. Soon after the US entrance into World War I in 1917, The Salvation Army sent a fact-finding mission to France.   '— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.222.69.134 (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The history section needs some help

message: Is this a free image we could use http://blogs.suntimes.com/shinyobjects/assets_c/2009/06/DoughnutGirl-8459.html? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: According to my research, Donut Day has existed since the 1930's and was a Salvation Army event aimed at remembering women from WWI who made donuts for the soldiers on the front line.
National Donut Day did not seem to exist prior to 2008, aside from one or two references on obscure websites and blogs.
These are two distinct events. The Salvation Army Donut Day never claimed to be anything more than a locally held fund-raising event for the Salvation Army. To distinguish between the two, I have created an article for Donut Day which describes its link to the Salvation Army and explains how long its been in existence. DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point of view, but it appears to be based entirely on original research. Do you have any sources suggesting the events are unrelated or separate?  Can you check Chase's calendar of events out from a library and see what they say on this holiday? If National Donut day was created in 2009, which I don't see any evidence for, perhaps the article should be made solely about Donut Day, a historic and notable event. But I don't see any evidence that suggests they don't have anything to do with one another. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: It's unfortunate that you've reverted against consensus to a version that two editors have opposed. You haven't provided any sources for your assertions here or in the article and you've removed sources added by others. You've also added a link to Donut Day that links to back to this article. Your actions are not helpful at all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe I have addressed every one of your objections based on my research conducted on the references given in each edit of the article. Whenever I have reverted an edit, I have clearly explained my reasons for doing so. There is no evidence that the Salvation Army have ever held a National Donut Day, so any attempts to link their Donut Day (which goes back to 1938) to National Donut Day (which seemed to begin this year) need to be backed up with proof. Here is a link to an online copy of Chase's. Can you cite a page reference and tell me which edition you are referring to? Chase's 2009 link DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 19:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't ignore my concerns. You still haven't provided any citations for your edits nor any evidence that the holiday was invented in 2009. If it was, notability for that holiday would be a serious concern. If you want to move the article to Donut Day, that's okay with me. But please stop removing citations and sourced content in favor of your original research and theories. Donut Day is mentioned in numerous prior editions of Chase's Calendar of Events. You can search for them on google books, but I don't think a preview is available. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a link to Chase's Calendar of Events 2009 on Google Books. I can find no mention of Donut Day or National Donut Day in there. There is proof that National Donut Day has existed since 2009. Until we can find proof that it predates this, we cannot reliably claim it does. DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Deuce, what does that source establish?  You haven't provided any evidence for your theory about when the holiday was established or any evidence that National Donut Day isn't connected to Donut Day. Content is based on what sources say, not on your interpretations and theories. THere are lost of sources that establish Donut Day going back to 1938 in a fundraising honoring WWI volunteer efforts. This material and the sources need to be restored. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ChildofMidnight, I'm beginning to think you're deliberately being difficult and evasive. I've provided a link to the source that you cited because you failed to do so. I did so to show that it verifies none of the claims that you've made, and which you still insist should remain in the article. I would suggest that you thoroughly re-read the comments on the discussion page to familiarize yourself with the issues being raised. DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 11:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Do you accept that Donut Day and National Donut Day are two separate events, created by two entirely different groups with entirely different motives, and many years apart? DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless you have a source that says that. I don't support saying they are connected or saying they are separate without a source. We can only write about what we can establish which is that there is a Salvation Army related event going back to 1938 and a National Donut Day. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect, your last comment both contradicts itself and appears to miss my point entirely. We have still not established a relationship between National Donut Day and the Salvation Army, or their Donut Day. To include any reference to the Salvation Army in this article would be to infer a relationship that we do not know exists. You claim to have found a reference in Chase's, yet I was unable to find any reference to it in the copy of Chase's I have access to, and you seem unable or unwilling to provide a page reference or state which edition you are referring to. It would be very helpful if you could provide this information. DeuceBigalowMD (talk) 01:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Donut Day and National Donut Day

message: There seems to be this June "National Donut Day" along with a November 5th "National Doughnut Day", both being distinct holidays, although the November event seems less celebratedhttp://feastpb.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2014/11/05/national-doughnut-day-is-here-or-is-it-donut/ http://www.nola.com/dining/index.ssf/2014/11/donut_appreciation_day_where_d.html http://www.wbay.com/story/27281601/in-honor-of-national-donut-day-best-selling-author-and-huffington-post-columnist-natalie-pace-encourages-you-to-eat-a-persimmon-or-pomegranate-instead. And the only reference I could find for the history behind a November doughnut day indicates it was invented by a US prisoner of war during the Vietnam War to get his captors to feed them doughnuts.http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/06/07/189514005/on-national-doughnut-day-free-food-and-feel-good-history. I feel the article should be updated to reflect these two holidays. 50.172.160.172 (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: On The Issue of Multiple Doughnut Days

message: In the paragraph added by  that states that 756 doughnuts are eaten each year by each American, I believe a bad source of data was used. I don't believe every American eats 2 doughnuts every day, even on average. Huffington post reports that 10 billion doughnuts are made each year, and there are 326 million Americans, which would compute to 30 doughnuts per year for each American. That is a believable number. I believe the paragraph should be stricken and the reference removed, or rewritten with a more reliable data reference.
--Pjameswiki (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance to the economy

message: Substituted at 00:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I would like to know about  the national donut day from Dunkin’ Donuts . 173.76.103.3 (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  National donut day 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   -- Vaulter 18:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: National Doughnut Day →  – This appears to be the most common way of spelling the holiday by orders of magnitude:
*A search for  returns 13,500,000 results on Google;
*A search for  returns 256,000 results on Google.
*NGRAMS also shows similar dominance of "National Donut Day" over "National Doughnut Day", even when accounting for variations in capitalization.
Seeing as there is a clear and dominant WP:COMMONNAME, and the proposed name meets all of the WP:CRITERIA, this page should be moved to the common name. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 June 2022