Talk:This Is Spinal Tap

message: Cult film, influential, IMDB 250 Andman8 20:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: High

message: Needs info on DVD, director commentary, original preview, MTV music videos, and lots more.
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(^^ the above was unattributed and not written by me :)
I have an official DVD release not mentioned here. It is the original film and no extras, no commentary track, nothing. It cost £2.99 in a bargain bin, so I"m quite happy. I've now bought the 25th Aniversary release anyway.  77.99.125.25 (talk) 13:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD info

message: Does this need a disambiguation versus the medical procedure, which I couldn't even find?  Pakaran 17:13, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably yes. There doesn't seem to be an article on the procedure, but we could start one, of course. Kosebamse 17:19, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

text: I've made a stub at lumbar puncture (which as a title seems less slang-ish, but then, I might be mistaken, I'm not a native speaker), so a disambiguation should be fine. Will extend the stub if I find the time. Kosebamse 17:40, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for disambiguation?

message: Were The Thamesmen a parody folk band, or a parody skiffle band? -- Karada 11:29, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Skiffle

message: I think this section is a little long. Most of what is mentioned could just be included in the "see also" section. Thoughts? Lachatdelarue (talk) 02:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an article on rock parody or somesuch that this list could be moved to? sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:12, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

text: According to the Bad News wiki page, both were in production at the same time. The Bad News may have aired first, but that's only because TV is edited and aired in a much shorter time than movies are.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.193.74 (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Other rock parodies

message: Is this intentionally ironic? (sorrry about my spelling)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.134.176.82 (talk • contribs) 
 - Shearer is a voiceover actor in the simpsons. In what way would it be ironic to say so? ElectricRay 23:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: because he plays the principal of the elementary school --Progjunky 00:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Simpsons, a television show in which Harry Shearer is also one of the ''principal'' voiceover actors

message: *The Unicode used in this document title, and throughout this document, do not display properly on my computer, using Windows 98 SE with Internet Explorer 6.0. --Blu Aardvark 08:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unicode

message: I propose this this should be moved back to This Is Spinal Tap (or possibly This is Spinal Tap, I don't mind which). Reasons:
* Browser support for Unicode combining diactritics appears to be highly variable - see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#combining diacritical marks for further discussion. (The dotless "i" presumably has much better browser support, but there's no point having one without the other.)
* Mentioning or using the umlauted version in the article text is one thing, but potentially displaying garbage characters in the title is highly unprofessional.
* The existence of the umlaut is an inconsistent joke - it is only usually used when displaying the band's logo, and almost never (except on Wikipedia!) when just mentioning the band's name in print.
Oh...it's just better without the umlaut. ;) sjorford (?!) 14:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; remove it from the text.  The umlaut is super-cute, but to clarify: it is part of the logo, not of the name.  In my browser it breaks where the text is italicized (Safari 2.0 with plenty of large Unicode fonts installed).  Since n-umlaut belongs to practically no language, there is no guarantee that any computer system can display it unbroken.  —Michael Z. 2005-08-28 21:37 Z
*Support the move as per Michael Z and sjorford. The umlaut is decoration. — mark ✎ 19:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I've removed most of the umlauts in the text, except for the one in the naming section. sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: *Support - The umlaut is purely heavy metal decoration here, and cannot by any stretch be considered part of the name, since n-umlaut has no known pronunciation (due respect to the Jacaltec people).  Since some systems won't display this bastard combination, I'm opposed to leaving it in just for fun.  —Michael Z. 2005-08-28 15:49 Z
*Comment. The combining diacritics are used elsewhere in the article extensively, so I don't understand why the title should be a special case.  Nobody will have trouble finding the page as there is an existing redirect from the non-umlauted This Is Spinal Tap.  A band's name should be spelled properly using Unicode characters regardless whether some browsers have problems displaying them — it is the user's web browser, not Wikipedia, which is being "unprofessional" such cases.  However, if it is true, as sjorford claims, that the band's proper name is Spinal Tap (without the umlaut) and that the umlaut is used only sporadically for comic effect, then I have no problem moving it back.  —Psychonaut 15:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; remove it from the text.  The umlaut is super-cute, but to clarify: it is part of the logo, not of the name.  In my browser it breaks where the text is italicized (Safari 2.0 with plenty of large Unicode fonts installed).  Since n-umlaut belongs to practically no language, there is no guarantee that any computer system can display it unbroken.  —Michael Z. 2005-08-28 21:37 Z
*Support the move as per Michael Z and sjorford. The umlaut is decoration. — mark ✎ 19:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I've removed most of the umlauts in the text, except for the one in the naming section. sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: In theory, separating the details about the expanded universe of the mostly fictional band from the film in which they appeared should help with the organization of both articles. 69.3.70.58 05:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spun off a separate ''[[Spinal Tap]]'' article

message: I'm not a fan, so I don't know where to insert this trivia: the band performs in the Milwaukee music venue "Shank Hall" in the movie. Someone please do this for me.  Thx  Royalbroil 20:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and i've deleted it again. as you rightly note, it's trivia. There's no place for it in Wikipedia. ElectricRay 23:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: While I don't think Reiner or the rest come out and say it, but isn't the last drummer in the film, Joe "Mama" Besser, a reference to Joe Besser, one of the guys who replaced Curly and Shemp in the Three Stooges? --YoungFreud 05:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Joe "Mama" Besser

message: I asked for a  source since this "fact" was also added to the Grateful Dead's page. Actually only Pigpen died while a member of the group. Keith LEFT before his death, and Brent died AFTER the movie came out. The drummer parody seems to REALLY refer to all the drummers that seemed to be dying as the article points out. If we can't nail this down with a reliable source it should be removed, IMO. ThanksTom 15:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead referrence

message: The "Other musical parodies" section seems unecessary to me. There's quite a bit of information in there, but the movies are related to This is Spinal Tap only by not being This is Spinal Tap. What do you all think?
Originalbigj 02:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True... seems to me that it's interesting information but would be better off in a seperate article. Mark Grant 16:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Delete Section - Not only does it seem misplaced in this article, it seems rather pointless - does Wikipedia really need a list of musical parodies? --BlueSoxSWJ 23:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I chopped it down to a list of four, and removed all the discussion. In general, this whole article is WAY over long, and WAY self indulgent. ElectricRay 23:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  uh, how is airheads a rockumentary? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Progjunky (talk • contribs) 01:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Noticed that as well - saw "The Last Waltz" for the first time not too long ago, and too much of it is an obvious inspiration. Not sure where that would go in here - maybe a section called Inspirations or Sources? That would work for some other items too - "Gimme Some Money" and other songs could use some discussion, the whole Stonehenge starting point, dead drummers, guitar solos... Patrickbowman (talk) 06:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other musical parodies

message: The article is mostly a crufty collection of references in popular culture. It is notable however, and should be in the main article on the movie instead.--SeizureDog 07:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. That article is about the idiom. While there is a connection to the film, the phrase has taken on a life of its own. When it is used, it is often done in a way that has no reference to the film. It's inclusion in the OED is highly relevant. I do agree that the article has become a catch-all for every minor use of the phrase, but I'm in no mood lately to try to enforce some kind of sourcing order on the article. —Malber (talk • contribs) 17:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The phrase has gone way beyond the movie. Don't merge. 59.167.62.77 11:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Whether not that other article is merged, the signature phrase at least needs some mention in the plot summary here! —Steve Summit (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Up to eleven]] needs to be merged in

message: Since I can't seem to find the link to edit the introductory section, can someone less dense in such things than I please add Billy Crystal to the list of actors with small or cameo roles?  He was the "boss mime" who was berating fellow mime Dana Carvey and who utters the line, "Come on!  Mime is money!"  Amateur Mendicant 08:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Add to list of actors

message: In the plot overview section, there was a sentence reading "In this section, Nigel also refers to a 'trilogy' that he is creating, a parody of the sad Guns N' Roses 'trilogy,' which fits Nigel's description".  I have removed this sentence as I believe it to be inaccurate.  Although parallels can be drawn with Guns N' Roses, this band could not have been the subject of the parody since they were yet to form and didn't release any widely accessible records until 1987 - three, possibly four, years after the production of Spinal Tap.  Hope this meets with Wiki approval!GeorgeRob 12:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Guns N' Roses parodied

message: "Gimme Some Money" - sounds like some work from The Animals, was that the inspiration? David.Monniaux 14:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thamesmen

message: The name of the Wikiquote page for this film is spelled WITHOUT the umlaut - so the link at the bottom of the article doesn't work. Can this be corrected?
If it can't, then perhaps this is another reason why the name of this article should be changed to remove the umlaut.
132.244.246.25 (talk) 09:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiquote link

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message: About the parodic reference : besides Jimmy Hendrix playing with his teeth, there is ex-Deep Purple and Rainbow guitarist Ritchie Blackmore who used to do such a thing. During his guitar-killing scenes, he would drop his guitar on the floor, and play it with the foot. Faenglor (talk) 01:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Playing guitar with the foot

message: SELECT 'Sp' || UNISTR('\0131') || COMPOSE('n' || UNISTR('\0308')) || 'al Tap' FROM dual; -- Bardnet (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name in Oracle 9i

message: I don't know whether this is better here on on the band page but dropping here for reference  --MASEM (t) 14:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Interview from AV Club with McKean on song influences

message: I made a not very helpful edit summary and hit "Save Page" too soon, so I'll explain myself. The "Reception" section says, "suffering from, among other things, the failure of many viewers to understand that it was not a real documentary." I find this extremely unlikely. TIST was clearly publicised as a mock documentary at the time, and it's obvious when seeing it. I find it hard to believe that there were many viewers who (a) went to see the film believing it was of a real band, and (b) failed to work it out while watching the movie. So I stuck a "fact" tag on the it, but I'm tempted to delete it altogether. Peter Ballard (talk) 06:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No discussion, so deleted. Peter Ballard (talk) 02:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial Reception

message: There doesn't seem to be anything in the article about what came before (see Cinema Verite, Cinema Direct) that influenced this film, or any subsequent influence on other productions. Surely this is important for a film of this relevance to the genre? AlatarK (talk) 04:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Placement within the Genre

message: On the Criterion DVD commentary, the three main cast members reveal that a lot of people thought the film was based on Black Sabbath and/or Jeff Beck. Harry Shearer reveals that he went on the road with UK rock group Saxon, and stole a few stories from their bass player, but they all agree that they wanted Spinal Tap to be their own band -- rather than something like The Rutles, which would be obviously traced back to a real band. Saying that, they admit they had Status Quo or Uriah Heap in mind in terms of longevity. Useful information for future expansion of this article, I think. Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Band origins

message: Can we relegate the talk about the orthographical peculiarities to a footnote or something? Seems to be getting the article off on the wrong foot to talk about these little quirks, instead of getting right to the point of what the movie is about. Vranak (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umlauts and diaereses 

message: Considering that this movie parodies existing pop culture, who's to say "The Originals" are not "The Originals"? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Originals" referred to in the film are described as being English, so I highly doubt it. GRAPPLE X 23:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree with Grapple. This is original research, but having just watched the movie, it's clear the characters are referring to the local rock bands (which are fictional) in their region of England at the time. Feel free to add cited material showing that the "writers" (note most of the movie's dialogue was ad-libbed, not scripted) had intended to refer specifically to the American R&B singing group, and the link in the text can be restored. Valfontis (talk) 23:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Spinal Tap started out calling themselves "The Originals" but found out there was already a band of that name, so they called themselves "The New Originals" instead.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.50.147 (talk) 19:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Originals 

message: The powers that be seem to have missed that Bo had arguably the funniest scene in the movie and he`s not even mentioned in the article. 24.213.122.169 (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: apparently it was a guy named  Wonderful Smith  I though it was Bo as well..I agree it was the funniest scene in the movie Anonymous8206 (talk) 19:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bo Diddley 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the guitar-learning video game Rocksmith 2014, there is a library of available songs from real bands to learn from and there are five songs from Spinal Tap.  The fun bit is the year listed for each song ranges from 1965-1980 to correspond to the fictional history as in the film.  
Sadly another more famous music game, Rock Band, has many Spinal Tap songs available, but the year for them all is listed as 2009.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmacfarl (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional history references in other media 

message: I've removed this bit from the intro: "In 2016, film critic and author Jeremy Arnold chose it as one of his "52 Must-See Movies", describing it as "one of the single most influential movies of the past thirty-five years" and arguing that it "effectively launched a new genre—the mockumentary".
There's no reason why this guy and his book should be the most prominent critical voice--in the second paragraph, no less. Especially since the quoted writing is notably poor. "one of the single most", blecch. Soulnus (talk) 05:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His views could be moved to the reception section.  Wikipedia editors sometimes stick random stuff up in the lead to puff up stuff that they like. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominent praise from "Jeremy Arnold" 

message: Harry Shearer as Derek Smalls appears on the "Paul Shaffer And The Most Dangerous Band In The World" album. ( No singing, spoken dialogue between the two at a party.)
And ... B-Movie "scream queen" Brinke Stevens, is one of the prominent groupies seen with Harry/Derek throughout the film.75.107.41.198 (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derek Smalls & Paul Shaffer & Brinke Stevens 

message: I'd like to see a list. I know of two off-hand. (1) The manager who keeps a cricket bat at hand given the band members' proclivity for violent altercations: based on the real-life tour manager of Mötley Crüe (incidentally also the inspiration for diacritical madness) who did the same, only he had a baseball bat - but a British band needs a cricket bat, obviously. (2) Jeanine, the beautiful blonde who turns up in her happy-dippy get up and wants the band's leader to take a new direction, one beat of the Tamborine at the time: this happened to Deep Purple, the real-life Jeanine being Candice Night. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:206E:945A:A84D:2DA (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We would need reliable sourcing that says the intent of such characters were to spoof specific bands or personalities. To compare with that ecplicit souring is original research. Masem (t) 15:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerous specific real-life figures and incidents spoofed 

message: In the episode where the staff of dunder mifflin go to Gabe's house to watch Glee Micheal says crank it up to eleven. I believe this is a callback to spinal tap. 2601:840:4380:D790:31BE:B49D:3060:F01F (talk) 02:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Micheal Scott-Crank it up to Eleven quote.