Talk:Asmahan

message: Supreme Deliciousness has asked me to have a look at some of the issues raised above. I'm aware that Nefer Tweety has had issues with the fact that I was contacted by SD and in turn contacted Nishidani. This isn't a topic area of which I am previously aware. (In fact I had assumed that the subject was a place until today.) Having not looked at the details of the dispute, I don't know whether I will agree with SD, NF or neither of you. I am willing to look at things as an honest broker. But, I want to make sure that NF will accept anything I say as a good faith comment. If everything I say that (s)he doesn't like is going to be put down as my being a meatpuppet of SD, then I can live without the aggravation. Of course, the powers that be may take their own view of any such assumption of bad faith.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Peter, I have already asked the drafter of the arbitration case Wizardman, and he told me that I am allowed to invite a neutral editor to take a look at points of corrections I have presented at the talkpage. Another arb Shell Kinney has said the same thing , and a third arb, Faysal, has said the same thing here above, that other experienced editors can review the issues, and also to stop accusations of sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. Those accusations are also violations of the cases decorum. You know that you are a honest and neutral editor and thats all that matters. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:17, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Peter, thank you for your message on my talk page. SD has for the last 9 months made every effort to be the sole editor of Asmahan and other pages in the Asmahan arbitration case. Other editors are either banned from contributing or are completely disgusted by SD's ways that they are staying away for the time being. You cannot achieve consensus under these circumstances. Any input from you on behalf of SD will be one-sided and far from agreement and is therefore not neutral and will reflect only SD's input and will be subject a lot of more disputes. While you may be an unbiased editor, you cannot be a neutral broker while SD has harassed all other opinion to the point where they are no longer contributing. Your innocent "mediation" will be only a powder keg waiting to explode. I, personally, have no time for more endless arguments on the talk pages, however, I will revert any statements that have not received consensus with all parties prior to the arbitration.SD is subject to a topic ban specifically related to Asmahan due to his extremely disruptive behavior, while I am not under any restriction. While I am busy to be a regular contributor, I cannot allow SD's continued pushing of a Syrian agenda. -- Nefer Tweety (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Several of the points of corrections I presented at the talkpage there has already been repeated mediation and consensus over, and the consensus was edit warred away. AC has also already replied to the points at the talkpage so his position is clear:  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I acceptable as an honest broker? 

message: I am the author of Asmahan:  Woman, War and Song (which is referred to here and there in the content and editing commentary under the correct and wrong titles)   I collected materials on Asmahan for about 15 years, interviewed living family members, 
reviewed official files including previously closed UK and French documents, reviewed her musical contribution, etc. I am a scholar.  I understand that the standards I used are NOT followed by those who are writing and editing Wikipedia, i.e. I cite everything and where it may appear to you to be "opinion," I have carefully reviewed supporting documentation.  Thus when one of your writers draws straight from my book, w/o citation as to Asmahan's missing her career in Egypt - this is actually a true statement based on her personal correspondance which the Wiki writer has not read, but I have.   I'm posting because I see multiple violations of copyright laws.  Moreover, how can the editors rule on "disputes" or venture opinions as to 
facts they don't know (and the posters clearly don't know?  The issue about Asmahan's citizenship is just one point.  She was born a citizen of the Ottoman empire in the province of Syria (the varying dates of birth are offered because the journalist, Muhammad al-Taba'i claimed that she had falsified her passport; and here I took into account what we know about her family, her siblings, events of the period).  She was not a "naturalized" Egyptian in the same way that one can be naturalized in the U.S.A. or get a work permit in the UK.  For some reason, she did not acquire Egyptian citizenship in 1927, when it would have been possible for her to do so, but her brother did.  This does not make her an Egyptian, but rather an Arab Druze of shami (Levantine) origins who lived in Egypt.   She "sang patriotic songs" because one was included in the score of the film she starred in! 
Other actors and actresses did likewise.  Here, there isn't any evidence to suggest how she felt about that ...   Sherifa Zuhur````  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.1.78 (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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