Talk:Final Fantasy XIII/Archive 4

message: We have some fact tags calling for citations. Efforts to fill it in with references is much appreciated. — Bluerで す。 08:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, found them. — Bluerで す。 03:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations 

message: An IGN article of a interview from a SE executive has revealed that they have no projects in the FF line for the 360.  This confirms the exclusivity of this game, as well as the other one (Versus XIII).  Somebody should add this information.  Here's the source  :
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/794/794164p1.html
Pachogamez 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmation of exclusivity

message: I have a picture for the ATB battle scene. Anyone knows how to add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 June 2007
:There's a link to "Upload File" on this left hand side. Please follow the instructions given. — Bluerで す。 22:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How to add Pictures to the wiki?

message: Can http://www.ff-13.com/ be an external link for the Final Fantasy XIII section? It's got all the info as well as the scans and media. 
Atlanteay 01:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, no. Current WP:FF policy state that official websites are allowed as external links. If you own this site, then it's a no-no since Wikipedia discourages links to websites maintained by editors. — Bluerで す。 02:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:FF's policy only encompass Final Fantasy-related articles. And yes, that site is also not appropriate as an external link in Wikipedia, but nothing is being done yet. BTW, a good alternative to external links is to instead provide information from the said website, and put in a reference tag pointing to the website to ensure it is verifiable. That is allowable and is quite a reasonable alternative. — Bluerで す。 03:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Atlanteay, I am not sure you really are aware of the Wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia is maintained by unpaid humans, so maybe you have seen some unnotable links which haven't been removed yet because nobody noticed them or care about them yet. In any case, please understand that inclusion of one spam link is not a reason to include another. Just because someone does something bad there doesn't mean you can suddenly do something equally bad here. Many times users can be confused by the removal of spam links because other links that could be construed as spam have been added to the article (and not yet removed). The inclusion of a spam link should not be construed as an endorsement of the spam link, nor should it be taken as a reason or excuse to include another. Kariteh 07:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and if you spot an external spam link on another page it might be a good idea to check if it is a spam link and then remove it.IMOMovellon 00:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, no. All discussions will be archived. — Bluerで す。 12:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF-13.Com as an External Link 

message: There you have it. Only official links pertaining to Final Fantasy XIII will only be allowed. Any fansite regarding downloadable material and such will be deleted. Sites like ff-13.com are considered to be of those fansites that are not allowed. - Zeta26 10:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just a minor side-effect, but it's not a problem. Kariteh 07:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any fansite can and will be removed as spam. I will put this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy. Greg Jones II 21:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to clarify, WP:FF's policy clearly states that official sites are used as external links (i.e. FF Wikia and Square Enix's official sites). Greg Jones II 21:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/Manual_of_style#External link guidelines. Thanks. Greg Jones II 21:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Other than those, you can cite reliable sources i.e. FinalFantasyXIII.net. Some fansites are even not reliable after all. Greg Jones II 21:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Official Links Only Allowed

message: Was nothing released about this game at the latest E3? I know they scaled E3 down this year to make it less insane, but I still expected something. Maybe there was but no one's updated this page with it yet, but I can't find it.
Does anyone else know of any E3 information on FFXIII this year?Simondrake 23:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  E3 2007 

message: Although I think this is a pretty good article so far, I'm going to fail it's GA nomination for a couple of pretty simple reasons:
*The 5th criteria of a Good Article is that it is stable.  There is no logical way one can assess an article about an upcoming game as stable, since inevitably and without fail, once the game IS released, the article will change significantly.
*Somewhat related to the above point, the 3rd criteria of a Good Article is that it is it is broad in it's coverage.  How can an article on a video game cover all the necessary bases if it hasn't been released yet?  Afterall, any good videogame article should include topics like "Critical reception," "Sales," "Plot," etc.  Take a look at the Metal Gear Solid article for a good example.
For another similar example of an upcoming video game article, take a look at the Grand Theft Auto IV article.  There is more content and more references than this article, but it isn't a GA nominee.  So, my recommendation would be to hold on the GA nomination until at least after the game is released.  If you have any questions or want to discuss the matter further, feel free to ask any questions or make any comments here (preferably) or on my Talk Page. Drewcifer3000 11:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA fail 

message: I was considering adding a Final Fantasy Wiki link to FFXIII. Most articles have this site as its external links. Greg Jones II 13:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the WP:FF EL policy. It says open wikis must be stable, active and comprehensive. If this article is much more comprehensive, then why bother adding an open wiki which is not? In my understanding, policies aside, fansites aren't allowed because they act as spam. — Blue。 18:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the helpful information, Bluerfn. I fully understand the WP:FF policies. Greg Jones II 18:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I will put the FF Wiki link addition on hold until it is more comprehensive (i.e. including comprehensive game mechanics). Greg Jones II 18:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF Wiki