Talk:Skinhead/Archive 1

message: So why arent the jesus skins mentioned? 
http://www.jesusskins.de
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4-vGNr6m4M&mode=related&search=
Shows that christians can shave as well ;)
212.17.87.133 10:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus Skins

message: 'Skinheads with even shorter hair and less emphasis on traditional styles grew in numbers and grabbed media attention, mostly as a result of their involvement with football hooliganism.' This is not how I remember it. This sentence needs a citation I think.Bkpip 03:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Offshoots and Revivals

message: The Selector are a ska revivalist band, not to mention that all of them are black (seems a bit ironic to list them on the "skinhead" page)
*What's ironic about it?Spylab 12:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Selecter?

message: My friend says he is a "Neo-nazi punk." Is there a different between a skinhead and a "neo-nazi punk?" 
...yes
I'm sorry, but your friend is stupid, and you are too if you have relationships with nazi. --Aishe 22:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Regarding the following comment by Unconventional: "Sam Spade argued convincingly that "Neo-Nazi skinheads," despite its inaccuracy, is the more commonly used term among the general public and should therefore be retained"....
Well, I agree that most of the public uses the term "Neo-Nazi" or simply "Nazi" as a catch-all for any skinhead who espouses a racist ideology, but since when does the fact that some term is "more commonly used" mean that it ought to be the term used in an encyclopedia, regardless of the fact that it's innacurate and misleading? We're supposed to be putting together an educational resource here, not a dictionary of popular usage, right? 
Is this, as Nuttyskin says, pedantry? I don't think so. The Ottawa, Canada of my mid-teen years (late 80s and early 90s) was a city absolutely packed with skins of all stripes, and the racists among them went out of their way to characterize themselves as "national socialists" if they had Nazi leanings (handily indicated by the red laces in their Docs, as well as their penchant for Nazi iconography, such as tattoos of swastikas and "88"--meaning Heil Hitler), while the more run-of-the-mill white power types also went out of their way to announce their racist tendencies (white laces, generally confrontational attitude), but generally didn't go in for the Nazi thing. Interacting with them over the years, I got the impression that the latter group tended to view their "Nazi" counterparts as, at best, a bit creepily sentimental and fetishistic. From what I saw, they had a point. At any rate, while the two groups tolerated each other for the most part, and intermingled at concerts and parties in a somewhat friendly way (and certainly more so than they would with SHARPS, but that much is obvious), they were nevertheless two discreet entities. To wit: the attitude among most of the WP skins I knew to was more akin to the attitude of a lot of black power types--racial pride/consciousness, a feeling of having been hard-done-by because of one's skin color, and a general distaste-for/mistrust-of whatever group isn't the one you belong to. As an acquaintance of mine used to put it, "It's not about hating anyone. It's about being proud of who you are and where you come from, and more than that, building yourself up so you have a reason to be proud." He was a WP skin, but I always thought he sounded an awful lot like Eldridge Cleaver when he spoke that way. What he didn't sound much like, on the other hand, was a Nazi. Buck Mulligan 05:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi and WP skins are not (necessarily) one and the same 

message: I've corrected a bit on Brazilian skins; the previous version described them as mostly anti-racist, which seems rather unlikely to be true.  I won't claim to know a lot about the subject, so I hope someone who does will fix it up, but certainly the most visible skins there are white power skins, who've been involved in a lot of nastiness over the last 10 years or so. Rafaelgr 03:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian skinheads 

message: I've added several links to our websites dedicated to the Traditional Skinheads. Please, don't add press garbage about "Racism in Russia" or "Evil army of mr.Putin", it's just not true. In our post-communist country we still have no laws to settle down our cheap newspapers, they reporting lies. The so-called "caucasophobia" was started by them. But in reality, very few russian skinheads are in politics. Most of them linked to football and music. Ska is the order of the day. Vugluskr 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your POV is acceptable, but only when balanced w "army of Putin" and National Bolshevism informations. Sam Spade 16:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian skinheads 

message: Now the list of links has come from the 'to be deleted' link page, the list seems a bit long for this article. Does one of these links point to somewhere with a bit of a list so we can trim this down? AntiVan 00:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already been trimming, but feel free to lend a hand. Some of them are good links, alot of them are not, and some are just commercial websites (I deleted most of those already I think...) Sam Spade 15:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem goes further. How else can we public them? I tried to join non-English sites to German & French pages but editors deleted them during two hours ("spam", "vandalismo" etcetera). It looks like I know their scene better than them :( Vugluskr 04:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External sites - too many? 

message: why are the "Punk"-Skinheads not included in the catogories of Skinhead section?, it keeps getting removed, the "Punk"-Skin is a non-political skinhead who preferred the the punk influenced para-military style dress, its got to be some damn mardy old trad who is running the show on this page.
-Punk-skin doesn't mean non-political. I don't know where you get that idea. Get a better definition and maybe it will stay. Besides, there's already a mention of the punk-influence Oi! scene in the rest of the article.
well "punk/Oi" Skins are often loathed by trad skins in the UK, the trads call "oi-skins", dirty, glue sniffing bald punks and the two "styles" are often kept seprate even if they have the same ideals, around the world "trad" and "punk" skin "style" traits have been mixed slightly, i mean in the USA a "trad" is a non-political skinhead weather first wave or punk influenced and "punk"-skin refers to a punk in skinhead gear over there
in england your one or the other most of the time i guess, you wouldnt see a trad dead in a band or union jack-shirt and rarely would ever see an Oi-skin in a crombie
:Well, Scotland isn't England, but here it's quite common to see perfectly Trad blokes going about in bomber jackets, becausae they've been around so long they've become classics themselves. Besides, they're warm and they emphasise your shoulders (de-emphasise your beergut), and besides contemporary skinwear is influenced by what's happening on the scooter scene, where the green or black MA1 is virtually de rigueur.
:Nuttyskin 04:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Punk"-Skinheads (aka Oi skinhead)

message: Different areas have different meanings for laces and braces, jackets etc.  For example, in Portland, OR, Skins with red braces or laces indicate racists, where as in San Francisco they don't and in Germany, Red laces and braces indicate the opposite of the racists, they indicate communists.  Could we have a list of what different colors/jackets mean in different areas.  I think that would be helpful, particularly for people trying not to get killed when moving cities, or trying not to kill the wrong people when moving cities.
-Colour codes are mostly irrelevant these days. Any attempt at a list would be innacurate, out of date and unverifiable. If you're afraid of being killed over your bootlaces, you probably shouldn't be a skinhead or associate with skinheads.
:The only people who really care about laces/braces colours are gay skins, and that's all a kind of sex-fetish thing: they're a shorthand way of telling what someone is "into", supposedly. So, for example, yellow laces were meant to indicate watersports. But I always wore yellow laces in cherryred Docs because that was mainstream ("straight") code for scooter-skins and the Northern Soul scene.
:Nuttyskin 04:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbology and lace colors

message: I deleted the claim that the original skins were dock workers. This is largely a myth, since most of the first skins were teens in school, not dock workers. And of those who did have jobs, they worked at many different types of places, not just the docks. I also deleted the links to articles about neo-Nazis, since this article is about the skinhead culture, not about extremist politics. Those links are appropriate for the Nazi-Skinheads article, not this one.
I also just noticed this:"...on the docks of Jamaica (where the term "Skinhead" came from) in the mid to late 1950s." This is totally false. The term skinhead originated in England, not Jamaica. And I don't know where the idea came from that the Jamaican immigrants who influenced skinhead culture were dock workers back in Jamaica. That's the first time I've seen someone claim that, and I really doubt that it's true.Spylab 12:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted recent changes

message: As for the recent deletion of the category of right wing/conservative skinheads, I find it amazing that someone would claim that conservative non-racist skinheads don't exist. It seems to be mostly an American thing, but they definitely exist. They appear to make up a large portion of the United States skinhead population.Spylab 18:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course they exist.  Spirit of '76 is the 1st group that springs to mind.  We had a rather large group in my unit in the army, and had to fight and argue with our chain of command all the time to convince them we were not a hate group.  On a side note, Mitsos, why are so eager to defend an ideology that considers you and your people (Hellans, Greeks) non-human and would exterminate you if put into power?  Why would a non-white espouse the doctrine of white nationalism?  Just curious. L0b0t 12:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the line "The most common being the "Spirit of '76" skins." I've been in the American skinhead scene for years, I run a skinhead music zine, and I've never heard of a "Spirit of '76" skin. Is this supposed to be a specific crew, or just a way to say patriotic, American skinhead? Gainesstreetsaint 20:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conservative, non-racist skins

message: "considers you and your people (Hellans, Greeks) non-human and would exterminate you if put into power?"
"Why would a non-white espouse the doctrine of white nationalism?"
ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND??????????????????? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A GREEK PERSON??????????? THE GREEK PEOPLE ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Probably you haven't visited Greece for holidays. White Nationalism doesn't considers Greeks "non-human" as you say, because Greeks are White. The biggest racist of all times, Hitler, admired Greeks and the ancient Greek civilization. Goebels visited Greece many times. And if you doubt the existence of Greek neo-nazis see this:Hrisi Avgi. If mean that whites are onle the blond, blue-eyed, Northern Europeans visit the site racial reality. Also, I 'm not defending this ideology in wikipedia. I try to keep my POV away from wikipedia. Mitsos 14:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mitsos, I'm sorry if I have offended you.  That was never my intention, I am just curious.  I do know quite a few Greeks (I'm enjoying some Venizolos coffee and galactibouriko as I write in my neighborhood diner.) and none of them consider themselves "white", they are Greek.  Heirs to a magnificient civilization, inventors of democracy, builders of the Parthenon, but not white by a long shot.  No one doubts the existence of fascist elements amongst the Greeks but white supremecy and fascism are not the same thing.  If a Greek were to show up at say a KKK meeting, then trouble would soon ensue.  In the eyes of the white power movement Greeks are no more white than Italians, Turks, Persians, Armenians, Macedonians, Cypriots, Spainiards, Hebrews, Egyptians, Sicillians, or any of the other swarthy, olive skinned peoples from the Mediterranean.  Again, no offense intended, I'm just curious. L0b0t 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your candid response.  This is a line of reasoning I've never heard before and I appreciate your willingness to discuss.  White Supremacy and Fascism sometimes go together, sometimes not.  There are many black fascists, most African dictators for example. The Republic of South Africa was the only nation with White Supremacy written into it's constitution but was not fascist at all, they were a representational democracy.  Spain, Italy, Korea, Chile, Argentina, Zaire, Brazil all have had fascist regimes that were not White Supremecist in any way, shape, or form.L0b0t 12:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I misunderstood.  You are quite correct about National Socialism. L0b0t 15:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal debate about racism, not related to skinhead article

message: Their has been 52 edits to this articial today  and the outcome has be very little . WP:3RR has surely been breched please discuss futher changes before making changes (Gnevin 16:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really have time to go through the whole 52 + edits that why i refrained from making any specific comments or blaiming any user in particular user it just seems to me that after 52 edits the artical should of moved on some what (Gnevin 16:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion please 

message: Generally, Wikipedia articles don't link to message boards, because they are full of irrelevant topics, non-verified information and people arguing with each other over petty personal disputes. Skinheads.net is particularly useless in helping people learn more about skinhead culture, especially since the people at that message board almost never talk about topics directly related to skinhead culture. They mostly talk about stuff like weddings, births, favourite drinks, what they ate for breakfast that morning, international politics, etc. Spylab 12:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful vs non-useful links

message: I don't understand the meening of this template in this article. It refer to a subculture, his content come from peoples (skinheads) experiences and knowledge. It don't need any references from a book or documentary. Stevo 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article or section does not cite its references or sources. 

message: From the article: "Anti-Heros (who sued the makers of American History X for wrongful use of their logo)".
This isn't in American History X, someone should cite a source for it.  If it's a lawsuit, it shouldn't be that hard. --Anaraug 13:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was withdrawn by nominator. See here. Part Deux 13:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American History X 

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
*Oppose. The naming conventions for articles (WP:NC#Prefer singular nouns and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals)) says we should only use plurals when they are used exclusively, for example scissors or trousers. If skinheads are capable of being singular then the article should have a singular title. -Will Beback · † · 20:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The movie 'The Wanderers', which I think is set in the Bronx, 1963, features the gang the Foreign Baldies. They are clearly skinheads, but there is no explanation of them as a cultural phenomenon on this site. Did gangs like that exist, or were they just the invention of the 1970s filmmakers? Do tell. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.79.252.192 (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Foreign Baldies 

message: There are some claims within the article that seem to me to be at odds with one another:
If the "hard mods became commonly known as skinheads by about 1968" and then 
"In the late 1960s, some skinheads (including black skinheads) had engaged in random violence against Pakistanis and other South Asian immigrants (an act known as Paki bashing in common slang)", why is the the claim made that "race, religion and national origin were never a part of being a skinhead"?
Since there is little to no time in the "late 1960's" in-between the ~1968 birth of the Skins and when Paki-bashing began, I modified the text to read
While opinions on race, religion, and national origin were unifying components of some skinhead gangs, today there are many people within the skinhead subculture who have a wide variety of political and sociological ideologies.
Seekue 10:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bigotry/Nationalism from the get-go (a contradiction) 

message: Skinhead with scooter?
1. Why Scooter?
2. He has Hair on his head!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.165.251.60 (talk) 15:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: footnote 24 to [] is dead (or at least it is on my machine).  Move to have it deleted or if the original poster can find a mirrored version. --hubare (talk) 10:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote 24 is defunct  

message: I removed the link to the mp3 website because it violates copyright law. Wikipedia guidelines say 
However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry ). Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors..Spylab (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MP3 site in external links

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Hammerskinlogo.JPG

message: I'd delete the Geoff Pearson quote. It's abstract, says little about skinheads, and is full of conjecture ("liberal conscience has seen nothing on earth like the Skinhead ... his clothing forced a neat closure to any critical thought").  The two political sections are already disproportionately long (reflecting public perceptions of skinhead more than the reality), so cutting these eight lines would bring it closer to balance. I left the paragraph in for now in case there are objections. Sluggoster (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pearson quote 

message: "Skinheads on either extreme of the political spectrum sometimes refer to [apolitical skins] as a fencesitter or fencewalker."
Fencewalker means more than this.  An apolitical skinhead who gets along with everybody is a traditional skin, not a fencewalker. Often their personal views are known but they don't let politics get in the way of interpersonal relationships if the other guy is not an asshole.  "I respect you until you disrespect me", as the saying goes.
A fencewalker is somebody who hangs out buddy-buddy with the white power guys most of the time, who seems to be fascinated by their culture (e.g., listens to Skrewdriver and RAC more than Agnostic Front and the Anti-Heroes), yet still claims to be non-racist.  The implication is that he's lying (he is white power but he's not willing to say so), or something along those lines.  
Condemned 84/Retaliator are sometimes considered a fencewalking band because their lyrics are nationalistic and contain themes popular in WP songs but they carefully avoid explicit racism. Does this mean they're white power but don't want to offend their fans who aren't?  Or are they a non-WP band who just likes the aggression of their style?  Who knows.  The point is that they tread the line very close, and thus give the appearance of being fencewalkers.  White people who tell pollsters they might vote for a black man but in reality they wouldn't are also a kind of fencewalker.
The other use of the term is somebody who hangs out with his WP buddies and claims to be for the white man, then goes to his SHARP buddies and claims to be non-racist.  So he's lying to one of them or the other or both.  More likely he's just saying whatever they want to hear.  This flies against the skinhead value of integrity: you stand up for your own beliefs, you give the same answer to everybody who asks, and you know why you believe what you do.  Most skins on either side respect somebody who does that even if he disagrees with him.  Sluggoster (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fencewalkers 

message: It says in the intro: "They were really bad but they love puppies." What is the purpose of this sentence? It seems out of place and I think it should be removed. Benjaminmyklebust (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The intro

message: I don't see how you can have a huge section on how skinheads are quite often anti-racist or neutral while the article only hints at racist associations. Before you provide an "argument to the contrary" you at least have to talk about the initial argument.--67.170.107.184 (talk) 03:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking for this? --Unconventional (talk) 05:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a whitewashed article 

message: This article needs more pictures. -Axmann8 (Talk) 22:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More pictures

message: Thera are some articles, that most of worlds skinheads/neonazi live in Russia. (throught I don't find in english) 
Caucasian beats fat skinhead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CsF0C5Xwg&mode=related&search=
* See www.tradskin.ru Vugluskr (talk) 21:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skinhed mowement in Russia 

message: It would help to have a descriptive phrase for each of these. Readers unfamiliar with the names will learn nothing. On that note, does anyone remember "Lefty," an African American woman skinhead who lived in D.C. in the 1980s? She was sort of "known" but I wasn't in the loop enough to know why.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlg4104 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Skinheads 

message: Crap Wiki entry, clearly written by an American. For a start, claiming that the Skinhead movement began in the "United Kingdom" is just too vague. There needs to be more information about the original east-London Skinheads of the late '60s. That's where it began and stayed for a number if years before it spread to the rest of the British isles. And if people outside the UK are going to comment on British culture, please try and get some basic facts correct. For instance, "Skinheads from the 70s marching for the BNP". The BNP wasn't formed until the early 1980s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GnosticM (talk • contribs) 15:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  London, England 

message: Agree it's a dodgy wiki - but Skinhead happened pretty much in W. Yorks independently of London. The Ska/Reggae was a huge part of it, but so was Paki-bashing. Impossible to say that it wasn't racist, but equally impossible to say that the Skinhead phenomenon didn't do a great deal to promote access to black music - because it did. 
Skinheads have periodically had revivals - more than most movements, and with each one it gets a little more confusing. The para-military styles of the late 70's, early 80's were far less creative in their attitudes - and generally purely about racism. But it all gets confusing at arms length. Also never forget the influence of football violence in all of this. The "gangs" that you might see in the US for example are largely absent in UK, because here it's all tied up with football crews. In the first skinhead era (roughly 68 to 76) though there were several geographically located gangs associated with skinheads in my area. From memory I'd go White Lee Skins, Spen Suedes, and Dale Lane Mafia as being key in West Yorkshire (it was very localised - Leeds & Bradford were seen as distant), and remember seeing large Northern Ireland style wall painting marking out home territory - all a little difficult though since most violence tended to happen around football matches, and local gangs could quite easily comprise supporters of several different teams - and the football took priority.
I'm also aware that Skinhead has meant something different in the US - I believe it's a term that used to be applied to certain US Marines - who went to extremes with their haircuts, and their militaristic attitudes
78.32.193.115 (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yorkshire, England 

message: Shouldnt it be mentioned somewhere that the skin head hairstyle, super short, is called a skin head even when not on a skin head culture person?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.174.58.161 (talk) 05:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: hair style

message: Doc Martens are still made in England. 
They are also made in China, Indonesia, Taiwan.
Please correct the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypobusa (talk • contribs) 11:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footwear 

message: Hypobusa (talk) 11:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footwear 

message: This is a shameful article. Skinheads are mostly chauvinists and fascists, neo- or not, violent and criminal, even in smallest of their communities in smallest countries, and this article talks about "culture". --Дарко Максимовић (talk) 23:50, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article written by skinheads 

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message: The political part talks about how 'traditional' skinheads call certain other skinheads various names based on their political views, but it doesn't explain what 'traditional' skinheads are political wise Nil Einne 09:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional skinheads 

message: Why was the link to the article about the Russian skinheads removed? This is a verbatim quote from the recently released Human Rights Watch report:
. --KoberTalk 15:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Russian skinheads aren't Neo-nazis. Just look at DMOZ! 79.164.88.242 (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skinheads in Russia 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Would it be wrong to say that Skinheads still exist? Whilst the article talks about the 60s and 70s, I'm pretty sure there are those groups which share similar ideas and might even attack non-White British citizens.
::You do see us around, here and there. Not just old guys and proper geezers like me, but young people, too. The clothes have come back into fashion, partially assisted by the Hipsters, but the scene itself may seem invisible, because new converts are reluctant to cut their hair (the most recognisable identifier for the style cult, although it's never been essential), for fear of being mis-identified as a racist. Nuttyskin (talk) 18:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  21st century 

message: A lot of verbage here covering a group of people who know damn well they have a racist agenda. They wouldn't shave their skulls and wear knee-high boots if they didn't want to advertise to someone else their shady intention. For all practical purpose they're assholes.
::I like your logic. By the same token, as Muslims often wear beards and the same clothing as terrorists, that must mean they're all suicide bombers-in-waiting, even the ones who profess not to be. 
::Is that really what you're saying? Or does the logic only apply to groups of people you've decided are worthy of your hatred? Nuttyskin (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get real 

message: Uh call me crazy but weren't there skinheads in the 19th century? I've actually heard this from a skinhead. Can anyone verify this? 71.68.17.141 17:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

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message: There's a sentence fragment in the 4th paragraph and I'm not sure if the comma should go before or after
"According to Bill Osgerby..."
71.231.64.147 (talk) 22:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Removed fragment. Ceoil (talk) 19:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence Fragment