Talk:David Legates

message: The page says "Professor Legates is known for using systematic examination of the scientific method used in climatological studies, in order to determine the validity of the data and the conclusions set forth in such studies. [3]" -- citing a statement from Legates! If someone is "known for" something, it means that the association is widely accepted amongst the general public and/or relevant experts in the field, and that the association is made  on solid grounds -- otherwise, one should say "thought to use" rather than "known for using."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.53.231 (talk) 12:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Me again. The statement should be backed up by a source that can independently and credibly say what Legates is "known for," or it should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.53.231 (talk) 12:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-Declared Reputation? 

message: Dear Raul, could you please explain why you disagree with the Reactions section?  The warning Legates got from the governor comes as a reaction to his position.  Respectfully, --70.137.23.225 (talk) 06:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A "reactions" section belong in an article about a film or a TV show; it doesn't belong in an article about a person. "Use of his title in public statements" is better. Raul654 (talk) 06:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactions section 

message: Another message for Raul: the section title 'Ties with the oil industry' brings a negative connotation while being marginally accurate, remember, he is directly connected to the conservative organizations as opposed to getting funding directly from Exxon while at UDel.  Those outfits are gathering funds from various other denier-friendly sources judging by the public info.  Also, I recall having seen a WP guideline about the tone used in living people's biographies.   These were the reasons for changing the heading title to 'Other Affiliations'. --70.137.23.225 (talk) 06:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not "marginally" accurate - it's the utter, unvarnished truth. We have the quote from the Union of Concerned Scientists linking him directly to the oil industry, and the Exxonsecrets factsheet linked from this article lists a further 7 oil-industry-linked organizations of which he's a member. "Other affiliations" would be appropriate if there were some non-oil industry affiliations mentioned here, but there aren't. Raul654 (talk) 06:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't debate the accuracy of your sources.  The above mentioned organizations are not business units of Exxon or any other oil industry, thus, unless you can prove otherwise, he is not personally connected to  exxon.  Most of the universities in the Houston area receive oil money but I don't see any of their prof's wiki pages list oil industry ties.  You are perfectly right in theory but that extra link you are drawing needs to be supported in my opinion.--70.137.23.225 (talk) 07:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone  

message: 70.137.23.225 added a list of Legates' publications, and I've removed them. They don't belong in the article (I do not recall seeing any other bio on Wikipedia with such a list. Even the Paul Erdős article doesn't, and he's not able almost entirely because of his lengthy list of publications). Moreover, it most certainly doesn't belong as the first section in the article. Raul654 (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not revert my hard work without discussing. Take a look at this page: William Connolley, another climatologist.--70.137.23.225 (talk) 19:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at Stephen Schneider, listing books but not all pubs.  I suggest a concise list of selected pubs or most recent pubs.  I'll edit it for most recent pubs, but if someone wants to pick his most important stuff that would be fine.Brian A Schmidt (talk) 04:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I take that back, the collapsed version seems okay to me.Brian A Schmidt (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Ok, I added a summary of his scientific work which is based on abstracts.  I can also add references to the specific papers that would substantiate the summary sentence-by-sentence.  Only that would take some extra editing effort as I'm not very skillful with ref's. --70.137.23.225 (talk) 04:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Publications

message: There is an entire section with no references.  Per Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons, it is especially important that all material in biographical articles be supported by quality references. Errors can have real-life consequences for the people involved. This is not just an arbitrary Wikipedia policy, it's the right thing to do. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (from User_talk:Short Brigade Harvester Boris#David_Legates_Unreferenced_Section --70.234.164.230 (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied at my talk page. Please don't duplicate your messages in several places as this makes it hard for other people to follow the discussion. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP concerns

message: I added a letter Legates sent to the EPA. There are currently over 11,500 comments on the EPA site related to EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0171. (Clean Air Act (United States)) I read through these occasionally just to get the feel of what people are writing. There is really enough information for a separate wikipedia page on just the comments to this docket. Both side have good points, and both sides have very bad science (such as global warming causing AIDS and asthma). I am not convinced that Legates letter is notable by itself, but there are 34 co-signers, most of who are notable, and the docket is notable. Even though this letter is not pear reviewed, it might also satisfy the reference requirement for the preceding paragraph. Q Science (talk) 09:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an outstandingly stupid letter, but he signed it. I'm fine with the inclusion. But I don't see how it can be used as a reference for his lectures. Given that there are 35 signers, it's even problematic to use it for nuances of his opinion - presumably, there has been some compromising going on to find a text all are happy with. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  EPA comment 

message: Section = 109 BLP articles labelled "Climate Change Deniers" all at once. This article was placed in a "climate change deniers" category. After discussion on WP:BLPN and WP:CFD the category was deleted. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 16:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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