Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 1

message: Why don't you just make this Wikiproject? --Dangerous-Boy
:Which subject are you referring to? In general, flags, medals? But I guess we really should start a project, I should have started one with languages.--Jondel 02:16, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject? 

message: Umm, was there any consensus to segregate the discussion section into "Peer review", "Article deliberation", "Requests and proposals", and "Technical maintenance" as it is now? I preferred how it was before... it's easier to keep track of things when the most recent topic is at the bottom. And it makes archiving simpler. Coffee 12:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I unsegregated it. Coffee 13:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion section 

message: Hey, could anyone double check the project page. I kinda flooded it (Ooops!) with so many topics. heheh...  - 23prootie 16:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Page

message: Hello! I am kind of new here, but since we are all Filipinos, could you please help me expand the First Philippine Republic
article. Regards. -Emir214 09:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Philippine Republic 

message: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard naming scheme 

message: Da very first topic!  Hello!!  Welcome!!
I have so many things to say.  (KSP kasi ako)I have many issues about the Philippines. (We all do) . One is language. I was born in  Capiz. In Manila, I feel pressured to speak Tagalog and not to speak English. Hindi kami mayaman! Kahit tindera ka sa palengke o nag-bebenta ka ng yosi or isang bank -executive dapat pwede kang mag -salita ng English, Tagalog, Spanish o Japanese (I speak these fluently), and others   Cebuano, Ilocano, etc. Ang sabi, English is a language for the Konyo's (Socialites). It shouldn't be. It is just a language. Cebuanos don't like to speak Tagalog.  That's all.  In college, a librarian scolded someone for not speaking Tagalog. He responded that he was a Malaysian and could not speak Tagalog. Indonesians and Malaysians look like us. We should recognize that English is our formal language and Tagalog(and others) is( are)  our informal language(s). --Jondel 10:16, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't know about it because I don't know any other local language besides Tagalog. I envy some of my other friends since they know Hiligaynon or Cebuano. But yeah, at one point, I thought that some of my Cebuano classmates in college were too overbearing when they speak English instead of Tagalog. I understand that Tagalog, despite its promotion as a lingua franca is not very popular as opposed to English. --seav 17:35, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: (This is not a rant, please)Well, Tagalog speakers can be overbearing too.  The social peer pressure is probably the reason why Spanish never got ingrained.  Maybe we've somehow inherited the taboo to not speak Spanish and is somehow preventing some of us from speaking English. Is there a rule that you have to be rich to speak English? If I'm a balut vendor, should I not speak English? I respect the Tagalog language. But if English is an official language, nobody should feel ashamed to speak it. Especially if you're  just a jeepney driver, cigarrete vendor, etc. Living in a  country(Japan) where English is not an official or native language, I 've come to appreciate how  much English is an advantage for us. Even cigarrete vendors, tinderas, etc. speak better English than many educated Japanese here. Why hide it? As a translator I've had a very difficult time with some arrogant Japanese who insisted that their crooked English was correct. They said that we (filipinos)are not native speakers. I have some friends in Spain too and indeed , the ability to speak English is a source of pride.   But I have no problem if English is removed as an official language. Its just that the social misconception about Filipino English speakers which causes me problems.--Jondel 12:28, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: Battle of Leyte Gulf is the only Philippine-related article that was featured. We can do better than that! -- Blue Mask|Talk 13:00, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
:It's actually a pity since the only reason that it became featured article-quality was because it was part of WWII, not because it was Philippine-related. We can do better (Provinces of Thailand has been one of the earliest articles to become featured). --seav 17:50, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isan, a region of Thailand, was featured on the front page a few days ago... perhaps someday we can get one of our provinces up to that kind of quality. :) TheCoffee 07:05, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Economy of the Philippines would be a good place to start fixing Philippine-related articles. The data on the page is rather dated. --Jasper Chua 11:24, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: I finally started an article on EDSA II (and I was a bit suprised there wasn't already one). It could use a lot of help-- I'm sure you all remember it. Also, is "EDSA II" the right place to have the article? EDSA Dos? People Power II? The Second People Power Revolution? The 1986 revolution is at EDSA Revolution. TheCoffee 18:54, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: EDSA II

message: Did you see the C. A. feature on the Anniversaries section today (feb. 25, 2005)?  CONGRATS!! Who ever did it. I guess we're not so insignificant after all. Hi- 5 to all.--Jondel 02:08, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's at the very bottom of the anniversaries section. Still, be proud. :) I uploaded that picture just a month ago. ^_^ I'm not sure how the updating of the main page works... TheCoffee 14:32, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Corazon Aquino]]

message: Request:Somebody work on this please.(Ok, I'll do it when I get the time, but pls feel free to start on this, anybody......)--Jondel 05:19, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Request granted. Somebody should continue from here. Also, other related pages (e.g., Lupang Hinirang) should link to this article. --seav 21:41, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great!! Keep it up!  I'll see what I can do. --Jondel 01:17, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Philippine Declaration of Independence]]

message: :I'll be adding something about development of Filipino consciousness. Please feel free to edit it.--Jondel 09:51, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Darn, I wish I knew about the COTW nomination earlier so I could have voted on it. The Philippine Revolution article BADLY needs improvement. TheCoffee 20:37, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Where can we vote?--Jondel 07:17, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry , sorry. I guess I still need a lot to learn (didn't know where the voting was). --Jondel 01:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help make the [[Philippine Revolution]] a collaboration of the week

message: Hmmm... Mount Pinatubo was nominated for featured article status (see its talk page. Most of the work was done by User:Worldtraveller. Maybe we should help put more local context into the article. :) --seav 04:39, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mount Pinatubo]]

message: Please don't flood this section with too many requests. Just those that are more relevant and do-able  but are just too hard to find on the internet and other reasons.
*Spolarium-Anybody who wants to work on or collaborate on the Spolarium by Juan Luna? --Jondel 02:32, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Requests

message: User:Tobias Conradi has been renaming a whole bunch of subnational entities in Wikipedia to the "Leyte Province" form. I'm asking what you think should we be naming the ambiguous provinces? Before that user's unilateral renaming, here is what the ambiguous provinces' articles were named:
* Antique, Philippines
* Aurora, Philippines
* Davao province
* Leyte province
* Samar province
I agree that Antique and Aurora should follow the others but I don't think that "Aurora Province" seems correct as opposed to "Aurora (province)" or "Aurora province". What do you guys think? --seav 19:58, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Province with a capital p is not needed. Andalusia is not Andalusia Province or Washington is not Washington State(or Washington Province). Are there other analogous titles or policies on geographic areas? If you look at his discussion (Tobias) , it seems he has been doing other unilateral edits on other countries ' areas.--Jondel 05:49, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd say follow the "Leyte province" form (lower case "p"!) for all the "ambiguous provinces". The others should stay as they are. By the way, I've made redirects for all the provinces so that "Ifugao province" redirects to "Ifugao", etc. TheCoffee 14:51, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've moved Davao, Leyte, and Samar back to the lowercase version. I can't move Antique and Aurora to the "Leyte province" form since these redirects have histories. Can anybody make a move request? I'd love to but I'm in a hurry to go to work. :P --seav 21:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't we just move/redirect both the Province form and the Philippines Form to province form? E.g. Antique, Philippines ->Antique province, Antique Province->Antique province?I can do this. What is the complication with redirect/history?--Jondel 01:05, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll just do it and hope nothing goes wrong.--Jondel 01:07, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I also made redirects for all the provinces so that "Ifugao Province" (capital P) redirects to "Ifugao". TheCoffee 04:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Provinces Naming Convention

message: Somebody(Sr. Ascender) is helping me a lot in editing my translations at the Spanish Wikipedia.
Could we create a filipino barnstar award for the English(and Spanish) wikipedia for dedication to articles related to the Philippines?--Jondel 05:03, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino version of Barnstar Award for contributions to Filipino related articles

message: Hello, I thought this might be the proper place to post this, since the Tagalog Wikipedia has no Tambayan_Philippines. I noticed that some articles in the Tagalog Wikipedia might be better placed in Wiktionary; for instance, I don't think "Akumulasyon" or "Kulangot" could have much more than a definition. I couldn't list it on the Tagalog Things_to_be_moved_to_Wiktionary, since there was no such page. Also, the Tagalog Wiktionary appears to be empty, so I couldn't really figure out what to do. 
I also noticed some useless entries, such as "Marso 24", which say nothing but how many days are left in the year from that day. Since there doesn't seem to be a page for nominating items for deletion, I couldn't do much about it either...
--Cma 00:51, 30 May 2005
:I encourage you to work on this. I should be working on this too. Most of the time I translate some of the articles into Spanish and Japanese(I live in Japan). --Jondel 23:57, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Those skeleton articles like Marso 24 are, at the least, placeholders that should grow into articles like English Wikipedia's March 24. TheCoffee 13:57, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Hey, newb here, I agree...--Noypi380 17:21, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagalog Wiktionary

message: Here's a nice project... we should merge Filipino cuisine and Cuisine of Philippines. The latter article has more substantial content, but the name is just plainly wrong! --seav 13:22, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Our Cuisine

message: I 'd like to move Philippine Psychology to Filipino superstitions.--Jondel 02:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino Superstitions

message: The 600,000th article in the English Wikipedia is Poona Bayabao, Lanao del Sur. :) TheCoffee 05:03, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 600,000th article

message: Okay this sucks.... Arroyo signed EO 429 declaring Palawan to be part of Western Visayas instead of MIMAROPA. This means that some information and maps (!) need to be updated. I'll dig up my souce files and recreate many of these maps showing Palawan to be now part of Visayas. Also please help updating information about this in various articles. --seav 04:00, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So... is it still "MIMAROPA" without the "PA"? :/ TheCoffee 06:03, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at this document EO 429, there was no mention of renaming of MIMAROPA, so we can assume that it's still MIMAROPA (though now incorrect). Also, there is still mention of a Region IV, so the document is not consistent with the earlier EO 103 splitting Southern Tagalog. --seav 06:21, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Palawan is now in Western Visayas

message: How does one use Tagalog Wiktionary? --Noypi380 03:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: So there is a page for Filipino Americans but there is really none about the people in the Philippines.  I am thinking of starting one, but what should be the title be?  There is French people, Spanish people, but there is also Koreans and Czechs. So, should it be Filipinos or Filipino people? I'm leaning towards the former with the latter being a redirect à la Czechs.  Ano'ng palagay ninyo? --Chris 10:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, judging from the blue link, meron na palang Filipinos .. but it's a redirect to Filipino. But that still could be changed. --Chris 10:09, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I would put it at Filipino people, and keep Filipinos as a redirect to Filipino. By the way, there's no articles for the Tagalog people or Cebuano people (etc...) as an ethnic group.  :/ Right now they still redirect to the language articles. TheCoffee 14:53, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like something to do.  I had to clear out a bunch of stuff non-language related stuff from the Ilokano language article recently. That could go to an Ilokano people page. And Ibanag refers to the people while there is Ibanag language. Too many topics, so little time. ;-) --Chris 18:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Ok -- Filipino people is open for business. Someone started it, it seems, but I expanded it. I fashioned the pictures of Filipinos after Czechs, Bulgarians, and Xhosa. --Chris 10:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal: Article about the Filipino people

message: Mga kaibigan - I put Jondel up for nomination for administrator. He has accepted his candidacy If you would like to vote for him, please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jondel . Salamat, --Chris 18:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like a slam dunk. Hooray for Jondel! :) TheCoffee 03:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd like to be an administrator, but my vacation ends in late August at saka marami pa 'kong bigas na kakainin. So I probably will not have time again. So, right now I am getting the resources so I can finish the Kapampangan language page and perhaps Waray-Waray language. Mas active ka, Jondel, at sa palagay ko, ang dami mong alam tungkol sa procedures ng Wikipedia. Kaya bagay na bagay sa iyo. --Chris 08:14, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for [[User:Jondel|Jondel]] for Administrator

message: FYI, I created a Wikiportal for the Philippines. --Jojit fb 07:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Very impressive!!--Jondel 07:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Jondel! BTW, Suter St. is in Sta. Ana right? My house is just near Onyx St. in Paco. --Jojit fb 01:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippines Wikiportal

message: I'm just thingking again of some kind of pinoy 'Ang galing-galing mo award' like barnstar.--Jondel 07:09, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to make a gonna make a Philippine barnstar-like thing, but I saw on Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals that "Awards should not, in purpose or image, concern any nation, race or creed over any other". Perhaps we could just go ahead and give out a Philippine contributor award anyway without it being "official". *shrug* Coffee 07:52, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they mean you can't give someone an award based on their gender or race? That's my interpretation. --Chris 03:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinoy award

message: If Philippine languages interest you, I am doing this "blogathon" thing at my blog where I blog for seven days straight about nothing but Philippine languages. Link here http://salitablog.blogspot.com --Chris 03:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Blogathon

message: He died today, and I cannot find enough information on the cause of his death.
:Ayun sa Sunstar, prostate cancer daw ang kaniyang ikinamatay. --Chris 04:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cardiac arrest as a complication of prostate cancer, according to Inq7.net. Coffee 05:59, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw your changes on there. And thanks for archiving Tambayan. --Chris 06:10, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Update for [[Raul Roco|Roco]] article

message: There is a a request on Meta for a Kinaray-a Wikipedia. I voted. If you're interested, go ahead and vote.
And if you weren't aware, voting is still open for the proposal for a Waray-Waray Wikipedia. 
I'm still surprised that there is no request for an Ilokano & Hiligaynon wikipedia, since these languages are spoken more than Kapampangan, Waray-Waray, and Kinaray-a combined. --Chris 02:46, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not gonna vote against it, but I can't help but feel that people's efforts would be better put to use if concentrated on improving the quality of articles in major languages rather than dividing efforts among several Wikipedias. To each his own... Coffee 11:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While I understand your reservations and respect your decision, I tend to disagree with it. Many of these languages do not have any literature for their people, apart from religious literature that was translated. Wikipedia is a good start because it's accessible on the internet. We who speak major language take for granted that we can find a book in our language, but Kinaray-as don't have this luxury. Besides, an argument could be made against the Tagalog Wikipedia - why edit articles in Tagalog since so much can be done for English?  --Chris 21:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kinaray-a Wikipedia Proposal

message: Is there a strict definition? Were they members of La Solidaridad only ? Or does the definition include all Filipino inteligentsia, intellectuals and illuminati both in Spain and in the Philppines ?--Jondel 02:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ilustrado

message: 210.213.152.145 (and similar IP addresses) have been putting these accents on all these words on Philippine pages lately. Like this edit and this. Is that acceptable? Personally I'd prefer it without all of those accents. To me it's "Cebu", not "Cebú"; "Cagayan", not "Cagayán"; "Raul Roco", not "Raúl Roco". I don't think I can contact him through his talk page since he appears with a different IP address each time. Coffee 11:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The accents don't belong there because they aren't used. I guess that means I have to remove the accent from the Tagalog language article (just the first word, not the accents in all the language examples), which I had defended. A compromise would be to put a pronunciation guide. See Reykjavík. Oh, you know what would be cool? Someone to record the pronunciations. See Beijing. --Chris 20:38, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, if the accent is widely used in the real world, then it belongs there. This is the case with Sergio Osmeña, José P. Laurel, and José Rizal but we wouldn't write Ramón Magsaysay, Carlos García, or Corazón Aquino. They may be written in Spanish, but that wouldn't reflect common practice among Filipinos. --Chris 20:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with Chris. We should just use the accented letters if that's how it's used in the 'real world'. By the way, the Cory Aquino article actually is at Corazón Aquino. :/ Coffee 03:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it actually used, then let them stay. If it gets to be annoying, at some point it should removed. (Its no big deal for me)--Jondel 04:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Accents

message: I cleaned up Original Pilipino Music recently, and when I looked at my watchlist yesterday I noticed it was listed for deletion.  I tried to argue a case for keeping it, but since I'm not Filipino and have never been to the Philippines, I might not have known anything about the topic! :-D  Please vote on it at its VfD entry.  If you have anything to add to it, I encourage you to expand that article.  It's currently a stub and doesn't say very much, so that may have been the reason for its VfD listing. --Idont Havaname 15:08, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Original Pilipino Music]] and [[Music of the Philippines]]

message: I created an article for Cristeta Comerford, the new head chef at the White House. I found very little information on her. If you guys know any more, feel free to add. --Chris S. 04:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sheesh, I thought head chief , lol. I need an eye check-up.  Still, pretty impressive attainment.--Jondel 09:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess na in a way siya ang chief chef... ;-) Now try saying that 5 times fast! --Chris S. 21:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: I threw together Timeline of Philippine history to hopefully be a good companion to History of the Philippines (like Timeline of United States history). It's patchy and unbalanced right now (and starts with Magellan), but everyone's invited to improve it. :p Coffee 18:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Timeline of Philippine history]]

message: Coffee has nominated himself for adoption adminship. If you want to vote, please do so at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/TheCoffee! :-D --Chris S. 20:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've put myself up for adoption. :D Anyone interested can go to RfA. :p Coffee 09:29, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Aba, may magiging kasama na ako! Advanced congrats!--Jondel 01:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

text: And he ruined Coffee's clean sweep, too. :( But yeah, deliberately having "controversy" is the complete opposite of what an admin should be doing. --Migs 03:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Coffee for admin

message: I disagree with Schmuckys statement. Conflicts are not a sign of potentially good RFAs. If there is no issue to dispute about, there should be no conflicts. In fact I believe , admins should try to generate harmony , cooperativity, good faith; a 'win-win' situation. However, conflicts do seem unavoidable. Don't feel obligated to have conflicts, they just come on their own. --Jondel 02:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And he ruined Coffee's clean sweep, too. :( But yeah, deliberately having "controversy" is the complete opposite of what an admin should be doing. --Migs 03:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: SchmuckyTheCats criteria for RFA

message: Since I have a copy of the book, I decided to make a page for Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos. It was published in 1849 and is the source of surnames for perhaps the vast majority of Filipinos - even yours (mine too)!. You guys will probably find it interesting. I am planning on scanning a couple of pages and including it into the article. I don't have a scanner here at home, so it'll probably take a while. In the meantime, enjoy. --Chris S. 23:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos]]

message: Seav's map of Manila was just promoted to featured picture. :) Coffee 04:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great map, seav. It's only off by a little bit when I overlay it on Google Earth. --Migs 05:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:Ph map manila large.png]]

message: *Gregorio F. Zaide by --Jondel 01:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that the year of death for Dr. Zaide was 1984, but in another website it's 1986. Which is which? RashBold 18:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Looks good!:/Requested articles --Jondel 05:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Requests

message: While translating Cities of the Philippines to Dutch for use on the Dutch Wikipedia, I found that Caloocan City was not on the (alphabetical) list of 117 cities. After adding this city to the list, I saw that the list now has 118 cities instead of the quoted 117. Does anyone know/see which city is not a city? Or do we have 118 cities in the meantime? Magalhães 12:26, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... I looked at the page, and it seems to have only 50 cities. --Migs 14:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Caloocan is listed as "Kalookan City". Perhaps that's the official name, because that's what it's listed as at http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/listcity.asp. Migs, maybe you're looking at the provinces on that page? :p Coffee 14:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But if you look at the "official" government page of the city the name is written as Caloocan City. But then again, this page is not even finished ;). I have changed the name of the city in the "Per Province" listing on the right side to Kalookan City as well to keep it consistent. Magalhães 20:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  118th Philippine city? 

message: Hey people. I have a feeling that something big is going to happen politically in the country today, Sept 7, or tommorrow, Sept 8. Perhaps a new president? New government? Lots of people are mobilizing and I mean mobilizing and that reminds me of you know what during 1986 and 2001. That is why I am asking if anyone would object, or possibly vote for, starting an article by the temporary name of 2005 Philippine revolution? My connections also are using a color or a flower for the name of the event eh. --Noypi380 07:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, I don't think so... for the time being, if there are significant protests, coverage for them could be accomodated in 2005 Philippine electoral crisis or Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Perhaps it could be given its own article if it succeeds like EDSA II or breaks into violence like EDSA III (hmm...someone should make an EDSA III article...). Personally, I think the protests will just fizzle out without the support of the church, the military, and the business community. Your connections? Coffee 08:25, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it seems too premature or unnecessary, but I'm worried. My connection is actually a friend of a friend who protests. chismoso eh no? :) --Noypi380 08:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

text: First, wikipedia encourages you to be bold and I don't want to discourage that the article not be written. Besides what is the harm? Do write if you feel convicted. But here are my thoughts. I googled '2005 Philippine revolution' and in the 521,000 hits , so many debates came out about the independence(a different issue). As an event about  the electoral crisis , this is more notable (current article is perfect as it is).  The title 'revolution', is a bit misleading.  Why are you worried? It might be embarrasing if no revolution breaks out or make independent predictions. If it is chismis, do verify your sources. I work as a reporter. Grabe ang sermon sa akin from the editors kung hindi verifiable, reliable and independent ang source ko. (My expert advice, 'Naku ha!')--Jondel 09:12, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, well put, and you're right. It is good that you reminded me.  If we do our best to be reliable and verified in writing the text of articles, it must be the same stiff standard that is used in starting new articles. For the moment at least, 2005 Philippine revolution does not exist, and an article of that name is not yet necessary at the moment. --Noypi380 13:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd revolution 

message: :Filipino NationalismPlease investigate.
:: The article is nice. But it needs to be revised and simplified for NPOV in some parts. Also, an author is indicated and problem is that the said author has no userpage and has instead created a wiki vanity article that's now in the Vfd page. He should modify and just userfy the vanity page. --Saluyot 03:09, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
:Kiwi Alejandro Camara -Malufet na pinoy.(youngest Harvard grad)--Jondel 09:12, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Malufet nga! (no direct English translation) :) --Noypi380 14:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New articles

message: ;Does tata sound familiar?
:tata - Father in Latin
:taita - Ancient Spanish for father, check hereclick on busqueda  sin diacriticos.
:Tatle - Father in Nahuatle
:sabun-Soap in Hindi language
:(You already know the Spanish word for soap)
:Nomu -To drink in Japanese
:Minum-To drink in Indonesian
--Jondel 05:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know that (Indo-European language)...