Template talk:Humanism

message: Feel free to improve this template mercilessly. Antihumanism and Neo-humanism are in such bad shape that I wouldn't care if someonen decided to remove them from the template, for example. savidan(talk) (e@) 04:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed antihumanism as suggested above. --Transhumanist 00:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: comments

message: Why isn't secular humanism included in the Humanism nav box?  Christian humanism is included, so secular humanism's exclusion seems awkward.  --Tjss(Talk) 00:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see on your user page, that you focus on articles related to politics, foreign policy, international law, and the United Nations. Perhaps you should now focus your eyes. 'Secular humanism' is at the top, just underneath the Happy Human figure. Several of the titles in the coloured baulks are indeed links, including 'Humanism' in the baulk above the figure. ;-) — SomeHuman 20 Sep2006 23:35 (UTC)
Idem, Secular_humanism is missing (I did not find the proper syntax to add it)User67QH (talk) 07:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secular humanism 

message: Why is this included in the template? It's related by name alone, focusing on human technological augmentation rather than a philosophy. If no one minds, I'll remove this in 10 days. 144.32.196.3 19:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary. Transhumanism IS a philosophy. In fact that is the context of book "The Transhumanist Reader", it's a compendium of essay's on Transhumanist philosophy. JanderVK (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transhumanism 

message: User:Lennim appears to have deleted several links to various forms of humanism without comment. It doesn't look like this account is given to vandalism, but since all the removed links look relevant to humanism to me, I'm going to revert them. If they really don't belong, can you please make edit summaries or give an explanation on the talk page so we can all understand the justification for such removals? Thanks! OldMan (talk) 00:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting unexplained deletions 

message: While I do think there is a good reason to keep Christian Humanism in the category since it's discussed on the main page, I can't help but feel that it's inappropriate that the Happy Human symbol is at the top of the box.  The Happy Human is the symbol of the IHEU, an organization that in its own bylaws says, "It [Humanism] is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural  views of reality".  Some might say that its just a symbol and its not a big deal, but I really think it is.  If I changed the Happy Human to the the Jesuit Emblem since the Jesuits promoted (and still promote) many of the ideals of Renaissance Humanism, I can't imagine it would last 20 seconds.  Thus, if the Humanism being defined in this category encompasses viewpoints outside of Secular Humanism, the symbol ought to be changed.  Personally, I would suggest using the Vitruvian Man.  Corbmobile (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is perfectly reasonable to me. It also gives a nod to Renaissance concepts and doesn't limit humanism to one specific organization, religion, god or no god, or type. I've made the change. LovelyLillith (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian Humanism and the Happy Human

message: Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot; I thought it was very fitting. --[  باد است هرآنچه گفته‌اند اى ساقى ] stellamaris  08:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tried a new design out 

message: I recently replaced the black and white logo with a colored 3d logo I made a while back. It has come to my attention that I should start a discussion here where we can compare the pros and cons of the new 3d "gold" logo and the basic "black" and white logo. For my part, I thought the change was a good idea because:
* to get the obvious out of the way, I like it. I would - because I made it, and so I could make sure the edges were sharp and the figure was smooth and lit. For example, I made a shadow to suggest the figure's influence is bigger than the figure itself...But to avoid having this discussion become only "WP:ILIKEIT"...
* also, many of the other religion or worldview templates have very nice, colorful images (e.g. Template:Christianity, Template:Buddhism, Template:Islam). I thought that secular humanism deserved a more colorful image too/
* I think there are now enough secular humanists that an absolutely basic, black and white version of their/our logo does insufficient justice to the role that the values can play in people's lives, or the positive change that the movement has effected in certain areas
* The basic shape of the logo itself, even for those who have never seen it before but are looking to reproduce it, is still very clearly visible
Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tesseract2  (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 December 2011‎ 
:Although the change surprised me, and my initial response was quite negative, I don't dislike the image itself, and I fully endorse some of Tesseract2's explanatory comments above.  If others are content with the change, I have no objection.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  3D humanist logo 

message: An editor recently removed a large number of links, and eliminated the image altogether in this edit. I don't see these changes as an improvement. An image is important for this template, I believe, since it is presented at the top of related articles. AFAIK, this is the most iconic image for humanism, so it makes sense why it was chosen. I'd be open to discussing other image options, or the removal of content generally. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ♥ 23:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo of one secular humanist organization does not represent the topic, such as renaissance humanism, German new humanism, or religious humanism(s), and is thus both POV and irrelevant (as has already been pointed out by other users on this talk page), it's like having a Christian symbol as the image which would also be non-neutral. Also, the various modern secular humanist organizations don't belong in the top of the template. The articles that naturally belong in the top, and also the central articles relating to the topic, are articles providing the overview of the history of humanism, not articles on specific modern organizations. As far as the sections for religious and secular humanism are concerned, whether they are sorted chronologically or alphabetically, religious humanism comes first (chronology is really the most important reason). Template:Humanism is not the IHEU template, if you want to have a template with the logo of that organization, you can make an IHEU template. Finding a neutral image for this template should hardly be a problem, how about Erasmus of Rotterdam or the Utopia (book) image? Jeannedeba (talk) 00:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Or this image of Petrarch, one of the first humanists? (the "father of Humanism") Jeannedeba (talk) 00:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:Corbmobile suggested above the Vitruvian Man, which is also a very good suggestion. Jeannedeba (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "other users" you refer to are actually one user, Corbmobile, who mentioned it once more than 2 years ago. It was changed since then, new consensus arose, and a variety of other images were discussed instead. We can certainly have a discussion about the correct image to use, but whatever we decide, it should be an iconic image for the concept of humanism; something which readers will identify and associate with the topic. I don't think readers are likely to identify Petrarca, and the Vitruvian Man is significant far beyond humanism. I know you find it insulting that secular humanism is so largely represented within humanism today, but our sources indicate that it is, and we would be failing our duties as an encyclopedia to not describe that. The happy human logo is an iconic image of humanism. Yes, it is also associated with secular humanism, but I don't know if that's a serious problem. Choosing an image for such a divergent set of philosophies is difficult. Petrarca, for instance, was a Christian humanist. Would adding him as an image be a slight against secular humanism or transhumanism? It appears that the happy human logo is the iconic contemporary image for humanism generally, beyond being simply the logo of a specific organization, as you've alleged. I think it makes sense to keep it as that for now. If other users have any thoughts, I'd definitely be open to hearing them!   — Jess· Δ♥ 07:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I can't see a good reason for changing it. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent removals 

message: The template syntax should be updated/converted to Template:Sidebar. Jeannedeba (talk) 00:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Outdated syntax