Talk:Xunzi (philosopher)

message: RE: "the King Xiang of Qi (齊襄王) honoured him as a teacher and a libationer." King Xiang honoured him for his ability to pour drinks? I can't work out what might be meant - librarian maybe? Given Xun Kuang's philosophical position it is highly unlikely to be "liberator". Or perhaps he caught the regal gaze because he was just really good at serving tea.
I believe that proper Pinyin would be "Xunzi" for both the man and the book.
:I agree. I think the rules of pinyin state that the "Zi" title, meaning "master", should be written together with the name in the previous syllable. See the rules at pinyin.info (section 2.3: Kǒngzǐ). I think it should be Xunzi, just like Zhuangzi, Laozi, Mozi and so on. It is not the first time I come across the distinction between "Xun Zi" for the person and "Xunzi" for the book, but there does not seem to be any justification for that in the rules of pinyin, and it results in a spelling distinction that, albeit useful, does not exist when the name is written in Chinese characters. --AngelRiesgo 01:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As an American Sinologist, let me assure the author of the above undated comment that it is not "a fairly common convention."  The best way to distinguish between Xunzi the person and Xunzi the text is to use italics for the latter.  And you can distinguish between the two in modern written Chinese by using 《》 for the latter.--108.16.230.212 (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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message: The external link to http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/teachers/HsunTzu.htm (second link) does not work.  -- Anthee (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty URL 

message: Is linking a humor site, albeit an informed one, as a source the sort of practice Wiki really wants to endorse?  I mean, I love the Onion's biting satire, but I wouldn't source a George Bush article with a relevant article from the Onion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.135.75 (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yan Xishan blog 

message: My recent edit has been reverted. I am about to change it back, but not before providing some explanation. It is a question of grammar.
"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination is not curbed, human societies would devolve into chaos."
These verbs are incompatible. Both
"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination is not curbed, human societies devolve into chaos."
and
"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination were not curbed, human societies would devolve into chaos."
are correct, though not equivalent. The first emphasizes a presumed necessary implicature, and the second emphasizes that devolution into chaos is counterfactual to the observed reality. I think the first is better. At any rate, the sentence as I found it ("is not curbed… would devolve") is simply incorrect.
Regulov (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conditionals. 

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message: (Yes, my section title is a bit exaggerated.)
In §  Life  (boldface added): 
:Later, Xunzi was slandered in the Qi court, and he retreated south to the state of Chu. In 240 Lord Chunshen, the prime minister, invited him to take a position as Magistrate of Lanling (蘭陵令), which he initially refused, but Lord Chunshen was assassinated In 238 BC by a court rival and Xunzi subsequently lost his position. He retired, remained in Lanling, a region in what is today's southern Shandong province, for the rest of his life and was buried there. 
If he initially refused the position and subsequently lost it, evidently he must have accepted it between those events. But that's not mentioned, which makes the passage strange to read. It's as if a bio said "Harry proposed to Jane, but she turned him down. Five years later she divorced him." Reader reaction: "Huh? When did they get married?" --Thnidu (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, he did eventually accept the position (as the phrase "INITIALLY refused" implies).--108.16.230.212 (talk) 05:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  lost a position, but did he ever accept it? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Xun Kuang →  – "Xun Kuang" is a name virtually unused by modern scholarship every single source in this article calls him "Xunzi". Furthermore, he is called "Xunzi" by the SEP, IEP, Britannica, China Knowledge, Oxford bibliographies etc. etc etc. I can almost guarantee you will not find a single source calling him "Xun Kuang" more often than Xunzi. It is the overwhelming Common name. 
I'm assuming this name was chosen as a compromise because his writings are also known as the Xunzi, but I am not proposing that the Xunzi be changed from a disambiguation page. Xunzi will still redirect to disambiguation and Xun Kuang will still redirect here, the fact is: it is actively harmful to have this unused name at the top of the article. It should be "Xunzi (philosopher)" instead. Aza24 (talk) 22:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 August 2023 

message: I should be working with my critic on this lede lol. Good decision on moving the moving the page though.FourLights (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedia britanica?