Talk:Yama in world religions

message: Anyone else think it needs to be changed? I can't make head or tail of what it's saying... elvenscout742 09:44, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture caption?

message: "He is one of the most ancient mythological beings in the world and in parallel forms or another has also been found all over Eurasia. He is known as Yima by Zoroastrians, Jimmu in Japanese legend, and might be in origin cognate with Ymir of Norse legend."
Surya, why did you pull this? Do you think that Yama is exclusively Hindu? I do not wish an edit war here, but Yama is not exclusive to Hinduism, and the article is already pretty much Hindu POV. You want to accomodate Yama from other traditions, or disambiguate? (20040302 12:40, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he was first record in the Vedas.  Without Hinduism, he wouldn't have transfered over to Buddhism. --Dangerous-Boy 05:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. The Japanese one is a Chinese, Buddhist type figure, FYI. I would like to see some evidence to back up the claim that he is cognate with Jimmu Tennō, though. elvenscout742 09:51, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The etymological connections between Vedic Yama and Avestan Yima (>Persian Jamshid) are solid, though very ancient and divergent.  There would not appear to be any connection, etymological or otherwise, between Ymir (where the "y" is a fronted "u", reflecting something like *umyos) and Yama (*yemos), or Yama and Jimmu (which is even more fanciful, considering the lack of any contact between Indo-European culture and Japan before the arrival of Buddhism).  Yenluo, Emma-o, etc. are borrowings of the name of Yama from Buddhist tradition. I will remove the references to Ymir and Jimmu for lack of factual basis. RandomCritic 05:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to trace where the claimed (though dubious) etymological connection between Ymir and Yama came from, so I have restored a paragraph about Ymir, on a slightly sounder linguistic footing. RandomCritic 15:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncommented pull by Lord Surya

message: I merged Emma-o into this article. Emma-o was 90% fancruft, anyway, so very little new information has been added. If people want to purge the cruft from "In media", by all means have at it. — Amcaja 15:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merged

message: I have executed the move to split Yama and Yama (Hinduism). I corrected most of the links, including those that wanted to refer to Yamas; generic links still point to the central article. As I have made about 60 changes, it's likely to draw some attention. (20040302 00:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job!  I think I've taken care of the balance of the links.RandomCritic 19:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yama and Yama (Hinduism) 

message: Would it be possible to find a picture of the Hindu Yama for this page instead of a picture of the Tibetan one? RandomCritic 12:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture 

message: the main protagonist in ookami was yami not yama.
The ultimate samurai (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: okami

message: There's no need to re-invent the wheel on this one:
D.P.P.N. by Gunapala_Piyasena_Malalasekera already wrote a concise "encyclopedia" entry on Yama in canonical Theravada Buddhist sources:
http://www.palikanon.com/namen/y/yama.htm
It seems to me slightly odd that the article currently mentions exclusively etymological arguments for Yama being twofold, rather than actual myths/texts that describe him/them as two persons ("twins" or otherwise).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.90.89 (talk) 20:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yama (Buddhism) & the issue of twin death-gods 

message: Yama and Dharma are the same, right? Yama is the lord of death, and for dispensing justice and truth, Yama is also called Dharma. 
Then, in the article, why is there NO mention of Yudhishthira from The Mahabharata being the son of Yama? 
Thanks
59.184.183.47 (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since when are they the same? Dharma is a concept, Yama is a deity. 42.60.220.184 (talk) 06:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yama and Yudhishthira 

message: "God of sound and version"?  This makes no sense.  "Version" is not a noun which can stand on its own; it is not a "thing" the way sound is a "thing".  You have "a" version "of" something else.  The author of this phrase was likely a non-native English speaker.  Can someone translate? 152.130.14.7 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted this edit. Please see . JimRenge (talk) 14:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just seen this, and I rather like it (not that it's suitable for WP).  (etymonline):″Version, 1580s, "a translation, that which is rendered from another language," from Middle French 'version', from Medieval Latin versionem (nominative versio) "a turning, a translation," from past participle stem of Latin vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend"). Also with a Middle English sense of "destruction.". So, in some way, Yama is indeed a god of version. (20040302 (talk) 07:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Version Incompatability

message: A very long time ago, you relativised the claim that Yama and Ymir were cognates, here.  Now, I have no complaint about this in itself (quite apart from the reasonable prescription time for wp edits:-).  However, I wonder if you still have access to the source you refer to, namely, Meid, W., 1992, Die Germanische Religion im Zeugnis der Sprache. In Beck et al., Germanische Religionsgeschichte – Quellen und Quellenprobleme, pp. 486-507. New York, de Gruyter, and if you could check one point there.
The point is this: You formulated your change as if the hypothesis of common etymological roots of Yama and Ymir had been first formulated in that work by Meid.  However, I hear this being mentioned as a fact in my childhood, and I was born in 1950.  In fact my mother had studied history of religion in her youth, and when I as early teenager showed an interest of this subject, she told me a lot of interesting stuff - some of which even may have been correct:-).  My mother was quite inspired by the theories of Dumézil, which I think were quite dominant in the times of her studies.  She claimed that there very often were close relationships between mythological "protohumans" and underworld kings; I believe she also was thinking about the Osiris myths, but do not remember her mentioning it at the time.  I have later read more modern books about Indoeuropean languages and Protoindoeuropean reconstructions, which are much more restrictive in recognising cognates and inferring facts about the Protoindoeuropean society and beliefs from them.
(On the other hand, I do not recall that my mother ever referred to Protoindoeuropean twin myths.  I have seen some mention of this in more recent literature - including one which also considers the twin pair Romulus and Remus, and actually implicitly seems to consider Remus as originating from a cognate to Yama, but with a changed initial consonant, in order to alliterate with the ethnonymic Romulus.)
Now, of course, I do not consider my memories of what my mother told me half a century ago as a reliable Wikipedia source.  However, if you have access to Meid's article, could you then please check whether the author claims to have discovered these cognates, or more seems to be referring to an hypothesis which has been around for a while?  I also think that this reference should be re-added to the article; your in-line reference to Meid remains since your edits in protowikipedian times:-), but not the information about the actual source. JoergenB (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cognates 

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