Talk:List of sportspeople who competed for more than one nation

message: ===Brigt Rykkje===
He originally competed for the Netherlands, then for Norway and now for the Netherlands again. I would say that fits under "moved to compete for another country". The "Players who could have chosen to represent more than one country due to their parentage" clause is for people who theoretically "adhered" to several nations, then chose one of them without having represented another. Punkmorten 11:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that Rykkje didn't make a nationality transfer: he already had Norwegian nationality from birth. He simply chose between his Dutch nationality and his Norwegian nationality. AecisBravado 12:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion 

message: He originally competed for the Netherlands, then for Norway and now for the Netherlands again. I would say that fits under "moved to compete for another country". The "Players who could have chosen to represent more than one country due to their parentage" clause is for people who theoretically "adhered" to several nations, then chose one of them without having represented another. Punkmorten 11:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that Rykkje didn't make a nationality transfer: he already had Norwegian nationality from birth. He simply chose between his Dutch nationality and his Norwegian nationality. AecisBravado 12:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brigt Rykkje

message: Someone else re-added Jelena Dokic, I re-added Vanessa Atkinson and I already added Tatiana Golovin and Martina Hingis. In my opinion these names should be in this list as they do not match the childhood rule in the examples on top of the page.
:Players who moved to the country they represented in childhood. Frequently, the home countries of such players are former colonies of their future countries (such as Patrick Vieira, born in Senegal but moved to France in childhood). Another example of such a player was Marcel Desailly, a Ghana-born player who was adopted in childhood by a French diplomat and raised in France.
I indeed agree that people who moved abroad from former colonies in their childhood are not wanted in this list, like the players named in the example. But Yugoslavia-Australia, England-Netherlands, Russia-France and Czechoslovakia-Switzerland are in my opinion totally different. In this case the sporters did not change nationalities to a former colony, but to a totally different nation that has nothing to do with the nation they were born in and thus qualify for this list. SportsAddicted | discuss 06:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the move of these players is not a nationality transfer, but rather common migration. Perhaps they should be added to List of sportspeople with dual nationality, a parent of the List of football players with dual nationality. If the consensus is to include emigrants in this list, however, Richard Krajicek, Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski should not be omitted. AecisBravado 19:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it Podolski and Klose should be part of the list, while Krajicek should not as he is born in the Netherlands and represented that country. I do see your point, and maybe we should create such a list for dual or multiple nationalities as well. SportsAddicted | discuss 22:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied the criteria directly from List of nationality transfers in football, for consistency. They were added there by Darwinek, but I can't trace what those criteria are based on and where they have been discussed. I believe that the regular contributors to List of nationality transfers in football should be notified of any discussion on changing the criteria, as well as well as the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. AecisBravado 15:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Childhood 

message: A problem I have with sorting figure skating moves by country is that some skaters have moved more than once. Therefore, I think it makes sense to have all the skater's changes in order that they happened. Putting it in order by nation jumbles it up and makes it confusing to follow where skaters actually started from and where they ended up. Kolindigo 17:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a way to show that, as I have done on List of nationality transfers in chess. If it's the first transfer, you put one country in the left column and the others in the right, with the other countries in chronological order from top to bottom. With the second transfer, you put two countries in the left column and the others in the right column. The chess players with multiple nationality transfers are Erich Eliskases, Igor Vasilyevich Ivanov, Savielly Tartakower and Mark Bluvshtein. It's not the perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. AecisBravado 19:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks a little awkward. How about I put numbers next to it, like (1) for first move and (2) for second? Kolindigo 01:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even better. I'll see if I can think of a better way. AecisBravado 01:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Figure skating by country 

message: There has been some discussion on the second criterion for this list ("Players who moved to the country they represented in childhood"), the key question being whether people like Jelena Dokic, Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski meet the criterion or not. The suggestion was made to limit this criterion to former colonies. However, the discussion is still ongoing, and at the moment the criterion still stands. I therefore suggest removing Dokic, Klose, Podolski and others from the list for now, but keeping track of them at User:Aecis/Nationality transfers. When the discussion has reached a conclusion, we can either put them back in, or add them to a new article List of sportspeople with dual nationality. Any thoughts? AecisBravado 13:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine with me. SportsAddicted | discuss 16:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I have created a List of sportspeople with dual nationality. The intro was copypasted from List of football players with dual nationality, the layout is based on this article. Any feedback would be welcome. The list would be for children of mixed-nationality marriages, for children of expats who have attained the nationality of the country their parents moved to, and for people who moved to another country at a young age. Any thoughts or suggestions? AecisBravado 12:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of sportspeople with dual nationality

message: I have removed Nadia Comaneci from the list. She is a Romanian athlete, who defected to the US long after her retirement as a gymnast. While her past as a gymnast certainly played a role in the coverage of the defection, it had no effect on her sports career. She was not a sportsperson anymore when she defected, and it was not a nationality transfer in sport. AecisBravado 13:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She's back. Did she migrate as a coach or other official?--P64 (talk) 15:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nadia Comaneci 

message: Why is Eusébio included in the list? When he was a player Mozambique was not a country, he didn't choose to play for Portugal over Mozambique, it was is only option.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.62.243 (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eusébio 

message: This list seems to cover anyone who represents a country different from where s/he learned the sport as a resident. Probably early sporting residence is the main point; we suppose that that country produced the sporting competitor. Early representation of the "from nation" is irrelevant.
And later representation in international competition as a player is crucial. Some sports recognize team members who do not play (captain, coach, etc) but they don't count here. The golf section waits for some international migrant to compete in one of the few events with national representation, such as the US Ryder Cup team.
Right? --P64 (talk) 15:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  National production and representation 

message: I have added some dates to section Bridge and added the team Zimmermann move to Monaco. They established Monaco residence 2010 (December?); the listed date 2012 refers to their earliest prospective play for Monaco.
Perhaps one column to list a single date YYYY will be useful. Perhaps that should be the year of the first known play, training, tryout, etc, with/for/as a representative of the "To nation" (2012 expected for team Zimmermann). Perhaps the year of official migration, or termination of eligibility to represent the "From nation" (2010 for team Zimmermann), generally more difficult to research. If a single column is added, between the From and To columns is probably a good location. --P64 (talk) 23:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Is it the original intent of the article for sportspeople who played for two or more national teams? Such as Diego Costa, who previously played for Spain and later played for Spain and not foreign born sportspeople who could have represented their country of birth but represented the country they migrated in?
Calling attention to Bronze2018. Sorry I was the I.P. address who made that edit. Forgot to login.--Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, some clarification please.  The ice hockey list seems to make very little sense, most of the players were not good enough to represent their birth country and moved on to represent a country where they ended up playing professionally.  Most of the French and Italian rosters from the 1992 Olympics were born in Canada, but none of them were ever considered to represent Canada, do they qualify for this list?18abruce (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Modified it heavily, but am unsure of players who played in Canada Cup events...those did not require or change international eligibility (Bryan Trottier, Curt Fraser, and Tony Esposito all played for the USA, but all of them were still eligible to play for Canada in the world championships).  Peter Stastny is included, but he only represented Canada in the Canada Cup, so maybe he shouldn't be, I don't know.18abruce (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sportspeople who were born abroad or of foreign descent. 

message: why is it included?  Do any races compete for their country, I follow the sport but not in any depth.  This appears to be a list of professionals who have changed citizenship at some point.18abruce (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the response, I am reasonable certain that nationality is irrelevant in auto racing but I will check a couple more places to be sure.18abruce (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

text: In A1 Grand Prix only one racer competed for more than one country, and that was as a fill in because of a crash.18abruce (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  auto racing 

message: Played with the Belgian national team, and also has played for Tunisia.  However the games for Tunisia are either as a club team, or against club teams.  To play in these games the rules for national team representation were not in force so I do not believe they count, but I welcome other opinions (if they exist).18abruce (talk) 15:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amine Van de Putte (ice hockey) 

message: there is a large volumn of tennis players added and I am trying to figure out; in what way did they represent their country?  It appears (and maybe I am wrong) that it is more a matter of funding and/or taxes than representation but maybe someone could explain this better.18abruce (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  tennis 

message: @‎Sportsfan 1234 Otto Lopez has Template:Dominican Republic roster 2019 WBSC Premier12 linked. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baseball 

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