Talk:Gilberto Silva

message: I realize that this is an ancient FA (in Internet years - it was promoted way back in 2006, after all). But even then I'm atonished by the lack of verifiability provided by the citations. Some examples:
====Early life====
1) His parents occupations aren't mentioned in any of the sources provided in the Early life section;
2) The article says "In 1988 (aged 12), he got the chance to break out of poverty by playing football, joining América Mineiro as a youth player." - the provided source says "The last time Gilberto took an extended leave away from football was of his own volition, when, at 16, having secured an apprenticeship with America Futebol Clube in Belo Horizonte..." - not the same thing, at all;
3) The article says "In 1991, Gilberto's father retired leaving the 16-year-old to provide financially..." - The source only states the above, nothing about his father (and I had to correct the age).
====Early career====
4) First paragraph states "In 1997, Gilberto's friends convinced him to give football another try, which led to him re-signing for América Mineiro on 1 June 1997, this time as a full-time professional." The source says "It was his friends who persuaded him to give football another go. He went back to America MG and, aged 20, finally won a place in the first team as a defender." I can't find the specific date when he arrived anywhere in the source. He could have earned the spot years after arriving. 
5) "despite being criticised by some fans for inconsistency" - the source says "But even though he was rated one of the team's best players in 1999, helping them win the national second division, he was infuriatingly inconsistent." - The author explicitly says he was inconsistent.
6) Just look at this paragraph: "During Gilberto's third season at América Mineiro, with the team back to Série B after relegation in Série A in 1999, he played 20 games and scored one goal, helping the club to finish runners-up in the league. In 2000, aged 24, he joined rival club Atlético Mineiro. In his first season for the club, he fractured his right tibia and, as a result, missed a number of games." - The only provided source for ALL of that is https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/may/16/newsstory.championsleague. There's NOTHING in the link that covers a single thing mentioned in the paragraph above. Is the citation in the wrong place?
7) "In his second season, he was moved by the manager Carlos Alberto Parreira from central defence to a defensive midfield role where he flourished. He scored three goals in the 2001 season and became a revelation in Brazilian club football." - The source, that is dead and should be updated, says only that he is "One of Brazilian football's biggest revelations last year after joining Atletico Mineiro from their smaller rivals America where he was raised. A mainly defensive midfielder but he has good technique and passing." So it does not mention being moved by the manager and flourishing in the new position. Or scoring 3 goals in 2001.
====Arsenal====
8) The article says "However, complications arose when a transfer embargo was placed on Atlético Mineiro due to unpaid wages to some players at the club, including Gilberto." - the source does not mention Gilberto being owed money. The other source is dead and should be replaced; the archive, shows that is just a table of statistics. Which means that there's nothing to substantiate this full sentence "As a result, FA Premier League clubs Aston Villa and Arsenal led the chase to sign him. In August, while still under contract to Atlético Mineiro, Gilberto joined Arsenal on their pre-season tour of Austria; while he had not yet signed for Arsenal the deal looked set to go ahead."
9) The article says "There was also an issue of obtaining a UK work permit for Gilberto." - The source does not mention any issue, it only says that the work permit was granted.
10) Finally found the Goal link that mentions him joining América Mineiro in 1997 (and earning promotion with them), it is by the Arsene Wenger quote. Oh look, this source also mentions Parreira making him switch positions in defense. And his father being a blacksmith. Why are all the citations in the wrong place? (Ahahaha The Goal says that "Volante" means "Invisible Wall". It DOES NOT mean that, it's just a position on the pitch. Christ.)
11) "As the 2002–03 FA Premier League season began, Gilberto faced stiff competition for a place in midfield from compatriot Edu. After two substitute appearances, Gilberto finally broke into the starting eleven on 27 August, helping Arsenal to a 5–2 win against West Bromwich Albion. Gilberto's good form continued as he set a new record for the fastest goal scored in the UEFA Champions League, scoring after 20.07 seconds against PSV on 25 September 2002." - This is the only source for the above. It only cover the "20.07 seconds" part.
12)  "2003–04 was an even better season for Gilberto, as he was instrumental in helping Arsenal win the Premier League title whilst going the entire season unbeaten. He played in 32 of Arsenal's 38 unbeaten Premier League games during the season. His next season started equally impressively, as he scored the first goal in Arsenal's 3–1 Community Shield win over Manchester United at the Millennium Stadium. During the opening games of the season, he started to experience severe pain in his back, and after a match at Bolton Wanderers on 27 September 2004, a scan revealed he had fractured his back. At first it was reported that he would be out of action for a month." - The only source, that is dead and should be replaced, only mentions the "out for a month" bit.
And so on. This article has a number of problems that need to be corrected. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *  are you able to or planning to upgrade this article?  If not, it needs to go to WP:FAR; it's been two months since notice was given.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  17:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA Status 

message: 8) The article says "However, complications arose when a transfer embargo was placed on Atlético Mineiro due to unpaid wages to some players at the club, including Gilberto." - the source does not mention Gilberto being owed money. The other source is dead and should be replaced; the archive, shows that is just a table of statistics. Which means that there's nothing to substantiate this full sentence "As a result, FA Premier League clubs Aston Villa and Arsenal led the chase to sign him. In August, while still under contract to Atlético Mineiro, Gilberto joined Arsenal on their pre-season tour of Austria; while he had not yet signed for Arsenal the deal looked set to go ahead."
9) The article says "There was also an issue of obtaining a UK work permit for Gilberto." - The source does not mention any issue, it only says that the work permit was granted.
10) Finally found the Goal link that mentions him joining América Mineiro in 1997 (and earning promotion with them), it is by the Arsene Wenger quote. Oh look, this source also mentions Parreira making him switch positions in defense. And his father being a blacksmith. Why are all the citations in the wrong place? (Ahahaha The Goal says that "Volante" means "Invisible Wall". It DOES NOT mean that, it's just a position on the pitch. Christ.)
11) "As the 2002–03 FA Premier League season began, Gilberto faced stiff competition for a place in midfield from compatriot Edu. After two substitute appearances, Gilberto finally broke into the starting eleven on 27 August, helping Arsenal to a 5–2 win against West Bromwich Albion. Gilberto's good form continued as he set a new record for the fastest goal scored in the UEFA Champions League, scoring after 20.07 seconds against PSV on 25 September 2002." - This is the only source for the above. It only cover the "20.07 seconds" part.
12)  "2003–04 was an even better season for Gilberto, as he was instrumental in helping Arsenal win the Premier League title whilst going the entire season unbeaten. He played in 32 of Arsenal's 38 unbeaten Premier League games during the season. His next season started equally impressively, as he scored the first goal in Arsenal's 3–1 Community Shield win over Manchester United at the Millennium Stadium. During the opening games of the season, he started to experience severe pain in his back, and after a match at Bolton Wanderers on 27 September 2004, a scan revealed he had fractured his back. At first it was reported that he would be out of action for a month." - The only source, that is dead and should be replaced, only mentions the "out for a month" bit.
And so on. This article has a number of problems that need to be corrected. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *  are you able to or planning to upgrade this article?  If not, it needs to go to WP:FAR; it's been two months since notice was given.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  17:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Arsenal

message: I'm using this review as a guide to restoring this article to FA status. Starting from the bottom... Idiosincrático (talk) 05:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Idio recovery