Talk:Deep-fried Mars bar

message: "It is known that the deep-fried Mars Bar was preceded by the deep-fried pizza. It was common practice in Angus to deep fry frozen pizza from as early as 1980." This was changed on  21 February 2006 by Mais oui! to Angus from the previous "east of dundee". It was originally posted by an anonymous user on 18 July 2005. It's been on here for 4 years now, uncited, and is now being copied all over the Internet. It's prolly well time that the assertion be backed up, or dropped.  It's already been disputed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Deep-fried_Mars_Bar#Odd.2C_possibly_illogical_sentence 
But I'll leave it to someone more intimately involved with this piece to make the call as to which way to go. My instinct is to flee whenever a sentence starts with, "it is known" :}
Randal Oulton (talk) 16:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it.  As well as being long term uncited, its relevance is unclear.  Lots of different food gets deep-fried in lots of different countries, dating to lots of different dates.  What's especially significant about Pizzas in relation to Mars Bars?  Apart from that, it was in a section listing foods "influenced".  If we take the claim at its word it precedes Mars Bars, so could hardly have been influenced by them.  --Escape Orbit (Talk) 14:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 1980 origin assertion

message: It should be noted that very few people in Scotland have ever tried one and, apart from the Royal Mile in Edinburgh where they are sold to gullible tourists, you would be hard pressed to find a fish and chip shop that actually sells them (the danger is it will melt and spoil the oil). The Lancet 'study' quoted on the article is probably apocryphal (click on the link and it takes you to the Lancet wiki page, not the 'study' itself). It's largely an urban myth that these are a delicacy north of the border. Now deep fried pizza, that's a different matter altogether... MyThoughtsExactly (talk) 20:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rarity

message: The recipe is already on wikibooks cookbook, shouldn't we remove it from here? - Joolz 11:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipe 

message: :"It is known that the deep-fried Mars bar was preceded by the deep-fried pizza. It was common practice in Angus to deep fry frozen pizza from as early as 1980.
::This is factually incorrect, deep fried pizza has been on most chip shop menues, in the Paisley area at least, since well before the 1980's. I practically lived on them through the 80's and they certainly weren't new then.
:This practice has found its way into Canadian culture. Canadians often serve this deep fried treat with ice cream, and large quanities of beer. Deep-fried Mars bars are also available in Sydney, Australia at a few local beaches predominately at the famous Bondi Beach."
The bold section is the strange one; is the 'treat' deep fried pizza (as mentioned in the previous paragraph and supported by the 'large quantities of beer'), or is it DFMB as mentioned in the subsequent sentence, and supported by the 'ice cream'?--Anchoress 14:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd, possibly illogical sentence 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Battered mars.jpg

message: I don't completely disagree with the reason for the revert (not relevant to topic) of my recent edit (regarding deep fried Moro bars in New Zealand), however it seems to me that this article probably should be expanded to include other deep fried chocolate bars, and (where appropriate) their relationship to Deep Fried Mars Bars (in my edit about Moro bars, I had mentioned the "Scottish connection" in the areas of New Zealand that it is popular).  I see in this discussion people have mentioned Snickers, and the "Deep Fried Moro Bar" is something of an icon in much of New Zealand (I'd say, at least as much as the Deep Fried Mars Bar in Scotland).  It doesn't make much sense to me to create new articles for "Deep Fried Moro Bar" and "Deep Fried Snickers Bar" and whatever else.  Thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by YttriumOx (talk • contribs) 15:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Would anyone else like to comment here?  I still think that mention of other deep friend chocolate bars (especially those that are very similar to Mars Bars) IS relevant here, as it adds perspective to the article.  Without it, someone is likely to make the incorrect assumption that Deep Fried Mars Bars being eaten in Scotland is the only place in the world where this culinary delight is enjoyed.  The information is therefore suitable as encyclopaedic material as it gives the reader an extra perspective on the article (on topic) that wasn't previously there.  I'm very tempted to just add my edit back in to the article, but I don't want to start an edit war.  Someone back me up, please? YttriumOx (talk) 04:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Personally, I don't think it would be an error to mention them under the "Culinary influence" section. :) Bilby (talk) 09:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other bars 

message: CarterBar, you've replaced the information on the type of batter used.  Can you explain why this information belongs here please.  Is this batter different than batter used outside the British Isles?  Do French and Spanish people use different batter?  Is it relevant that batter is also used for haggis? Most importantly, have you any references for these irrelevant pieces of trivia?  Thank you.  --Bardcom (talk) 11:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say I have to agree with Bardcom on this one, seems irrelevant information. Canterbury Tail talk 11:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm more inclined to agree with CarterBar for adding it back in.  The type of batter is relevant not because it's different to what is used in other countries for the same thing, but because it IS different to what is used for deep frying many other things in other parts of the world.  If the type of batter were not specified, then the natural assumption by people outside of the British Isles would be for another kind, thereby giving them a false understanding of the topic.  And, for people within the British Isles, it would be a case of "probably this, maybe something else", simply leaving it as a question in their minds.  I'd say it's definitely suitable information from an encyclopaedic viewpoint because it removes the assumption or question.  When considering the relevance of information added, I like to work with the general idea of saying to myself, "If I wanted to know everything about this topic, and currently knew nothing, does this help me?".  In the case of the type of batter, the answer is definitely yes. YttriumOx (talk) 04:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your response lacks detail and has too much vagueness.  It does not address any of the questions posed above and introduces new assumptions.  For example, it implies that there are different types of batter in different parts of the world for deep frying?  Please provide a reference or citation for this - batter is simply flour and water.  Your response splits the world of deep-fat frying into two.  Outside and inside the British Isles, which implies that the British Isles is unique in some way with regards to deep-fat frying, and some editors might wonder "Oh, I wonder should I use British Isles Batter type-A or some other batter".  Can you provide references or citations for this please.  Can you also provide references as to why the British Isles is unique when it comes to deep fat frying.  Thank you. --Bardcom (talk) 09:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The batter doesn't particularly have to be unique to the British Isles, though it may be (I'm not an expert here). The fact is, it is used in the British Isles, and that's good enough for it to be reported here. Remember that it doesn't have to be used in every nook and cranny of the British Ises either; use in just part of the BI will do. CarterBar (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain the relevance of talking about batter to this article.  --Bardcom (talk) 18:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon? If we remove the batter what are we left with? A) a Mars Bar. Please also bear in mind WP:PRESERVE before you and Crispness (no less) remove every last reference to "British Isles" on Wikipedia. We are going to go to some very bizarre places together aren't we. Oh I can't wait. --Matt Lewis (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type of Batter 

message: It may be that the alleged youth of the consumers may be due to the drastic shortening of life expectancy amongst them subsequent to consumption --Streona (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Age of Consumers

message: Aren't they more commonly called battered mars bars rather the deep-fried mars bars?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.123.201 (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In Glasgow, at least, they're called 'Stoners'.  All I have on this is memory, but maybe someone who resides in the area could get a pic of a menu or something.--Deke42 (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: sorry i'm somewhat computer illiterate every date in the article refers to mid 1990's i worked at the hilton hotel in toronto in 1981 with a scot which is the first time i heard 0f a deepfried mars bar  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.74.213.110 (talk) 17:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That would of course be very interesting if it were true, but personal memories are notoriously unreliable, which is why they are not allowed as sources on Wikipedia. Very often, witnesses simply misremember things – long-standing experience in criminal investigation. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was at university in Glasgow in the late 80s and early 90s, and they were already being sold by then (1989-90) in the Blue Lagoon chip shops. As well as deep fried pizza - that had been a staple in chip shops for years by that point. I know this is uncitable, but I also know that this chip shop's claim is utter rubbish. Etrigan (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  deep fried mars bars 

message: Could we merge this wit the page for Mars bar?Mr.Magik-Pants (talk) 02:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4564482.stm
--Bananasoldier (talk) 18:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible ref?