Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 2

message: For your infor, Manila Waldorf School has been nominated for AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manila Waldorf School for the discussion. --Vsion 23:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Manila Waldorf School]] is up for AfD

message: I just finished removing the accented "ó" in Quezon.  I also did this on the Spanish & German wikipedia articles for Quezon City and Manuel L. Quezon.  There is no ó in Quezon, folks. The stress is on the first syllable, and plus I think Quezon is a Chinese name. Besides, quesón means "big cheese." ;-) --Chris S. 19:44, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Quezon

message: We have Demographics of the Philippines, Demographics of the Philippines by other sources and now we have Ethnic Groups of the Philippines, I'm planning to add TWO HUNDRED more articles about demographics and ethnographics.  Is it blasphemous or against anybody's religion if we merge them all? Or merge them under Demographics of the Philippines, in one and Filipino people in the other. (or we can just keep on increasing ethnic and demographic articls ad infinitum)--Jondel 10:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Support a merge under Demographics of the Philippines, in one and Filipino people in the other. Ancheta Wis 11:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Filipino people should be separate from Demographics of the Philippines.  One refers to an ethnic group while one refers to the other country.  This is how other countries and ethnic groups are done; like there is Demographics if Italy and Italian people, Czech people and Demographics of the Czech Republic, Latino and the various demographic articles for Latin American countries. But yes, please merge or VfD Demographics of the Philippines by other sources.  There is also the question of the categories that needs to be fixed there's Filipino groups, People of the Philippines, and now Ethnic Groups of the Philippines (which has non-Wiki style caps). --Chris S. 12:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. I guess I was too elliptical in my support vote. That means 3 for the proposal so far Ancheta Wis 21:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics, Ethnographics, etc

message: Keep? Stubify? If no one is willing to add or build up, please delete. We should do our own housecleaning. There is also a controversial Filipino diaspora article.--Jondel 05:01, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge with Filipino diaspora. But damn - why are there all those tags on that one?  At saka, hindi ba dapat Overseas Filipino communities?  In any case, before anything should be done, we should check out what has been done for other countries. --Chris S. 06:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Moved to Overseas Filipino --Noypi380 03:34, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Diaspora merged with Overseas Filipino --Noypi380 03:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I'm the guy that started the Filipino overseas communities article.  I've come back to build up the article, but it's been replaced by a redirect to Overseas Filipino (dapat "Overseas Filipinos" di-ba?).   I would like to resume my work on Filipino overseas communities under that title (o "Overseas Filipino communities" kung gusto ninyo - pareha sila).  The article will be specifically about the communities formed by overseas filipinos.  These are noteworthy because while every country has overseas people, very few countries haved created the number of communities that Filipinos have formed.  If there're no objections, I'll go ahead and resume work on this article under it's old title. Gronky 04:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, fine by me as long as youre really going to add material.BTW, I'm an overseas filipino in Japan.--Jondel 05:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, the change was done coz overseas filipino can carry all related topics like, issues, communities, subculture, professions, and most importantly, the definition of who is an overseas Filipino, etc. Some Filipinos overseas are living solo also and live separately from the communities, and it would be best to carry them all in one long good article, than separate small stubby articles. Overseas Filipino is broader and has a wikipedia precedent, so i suggest we follow the norm, like Overseas Chinese. Country X overseas communities has no precedent when you search wikipedia, and surely there are other countries with as big or bigger communities than the Filipinos, like China for instance. With these in mind, I suggest you do not proceed with the new article all over again, and instead I highly recommend you lead in writing the communities sub section in Overseas Filipino. I'll help you if you want. :)  --Noypi380 07:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this discussion to Talk:Overseas Filipino so that it's connected to the article. Gronky 01:53, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Filipino overseas communities]]

message: I heard that Precious Lara Quigaman of the Philippines won Miss International Monday evening. Anyone wanna make an article? --Chris S. 01:09, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done it! Please edit and add more info. A picture of Lara would be very nice to include, there are lots of it around but problema sa copyright. Can somebody upload a public domain pic of her? --Saluyot 10:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks nice! Great! --Chris S. 18:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Miss International

message: Dagiti gayyem / Mga kaibigan - There is now a proposal for an Ilokano Wikipedia.  Please vote at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Ilokano  --Chris S. 04:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ilokano Wikipedia

message: Here's something that I don't think has been addressed sufficiently here in Wikipedia: how do we treat cities that are province-independent? The only three such cities I know are Baguio City, Zamboanga City, and Davao City, traditionally grouped under Benguet, Zamboanga del Sur, and Davao del Sur. I don't think it's correct that we're lumping these cities under the provinces, when they are independent and have no political relationship with the provinces. On the other hand, I wouldn't know how to shoehorn them in our rather organized structure where cities and municipalities are listed under provinces and are cross-linked with each other. --seav 12:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also include Cebu City and Talisay City, which are traditionally grouped under Cebu. It's correct that they do not have a political relationship with the province they are usually placed under, but we could not find a better structure, can we? ;) --Bentong Isles 12:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ormoc City which is located in Leyte island is another case.  It's an independent component city and not subject to the provincial government of Leyte province.--Harvzsf 17:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please include Naga City as well, which is traditionally grouped under Camarines Sur.  It just happens to be grouped under its second legislative district.  --Akira123323 11:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Baguio City, Zamboanga City and Davao City

message: I am writing an article about Emilio Aguinaldo for the Dutch Wikipedia. While reading the article on the English Wikipedia, I was wondering what a cabeza de barangay means (see: Emilio Aguinaldo#Early life and career). Can somebody explain this to me? I want to add that extra information to the article, or maybe even create a new article. Thanks. Magalhães 17:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cabeza de is Spanish for 'Head of ' meaning mayor of . Barangay means town  or village. Therefore Town Mayor.--Jondel 00:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Today's equivalent would probably be Barangay captain, which we should have an article on. Coffee 03:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, I think it would be good just to expand or create a section at the Barangay for the Barangay captain and create a redirect(I ' think I'll do that now).--Jondel 04:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info! Magalhães 05:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Hey, just curious, whats the diff between a barangay captain, and a barangay chairman? --Noypi380 07:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Also another question, shouldn't the g be double, ie baranggay? Officially is the spelling correct? Is there a ng sound (pronounced barang-gay)? I need this info for translations.--Jondel 06:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pronounced with both ng and g sounds (like Congo), but spelled "barangay" (at least on the government sites I checked  ). And Noypi, I think they're two terms for the same thing. Coffee 07:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Many, many years ago, I used to wonder why we spelled it with a single 'g', when we pronounce it with the 'ng' and 'g' sound, sort of like 'mangga'. Wala lang. =) --seav 18:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Haha, ya I thought so too, just checkin. :-) --Noypi380 08:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks Coffee, even if we can speak the language, we need to coordinate with reliable or authorized sources. Or maybe I've become a bit more Japanese in my outlook.--Jondel 14:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emilio Aguinaldo 

message: The article for Light Christian Academy, a small school in Quezon City, has been listed on WP:AfD.  User:Inkypaws has asked for any Wikipedians in the Philippines to supply a newspaper article to confirm that it is a real school.  Please comment at its AfD entry. --Idont Havaname 23:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Light Christian Academy]]

message: Yet another awesome pinoy beats incredible odds and follows in Kiwi Alejandro Camara  's footsteps. Apologies for not using English.--Jondel 04:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=18983 Malufet ang mga batang pinoy]

message: Pls help out in expanding one of the world's oldest running golf tourneys - the Philippine Open. It will be having its 90th edition in 2006. --Noypi380 13:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Philippine Open (golf)|The Philippine Open]]

message: I have started a list of ZIP Codes in the Philippines and can use help in expansion.  Currently, the sections of the list on Caloocan City, Las Piñas City and Manila, as well as part of Makati City, are complete.  Please help out!  --Akira123323 15:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Aarrgghh, its gonna be so long! The whole RP? I don't mind helping out a bit, but where can I find a list of zip codes anyway? :)--Noypi380 08:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see that article becoming very useful... I keep forgetting my own zip code. >_> Here's a list of Metro Manila codes and Provincial codes. Those might be obsolete though; newer provinces like Zamboanga Sibugay are missing. Coffee 11:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm correct, I think Philpost has not released a new ZIP Code list with major revisions yet (there is one minor revision on the 2005-2006 PLDT Commercial Telephone Directory for Metro Manila for Directories Pilipinas Corporation (under the big users section for Makati City), who issues the directories).  It is believable that the codes are correct, instead they are within their "mother" sections (for example, Biliran is still referred to as a sub-province of Leyte and the codes for Zamboanga Sibugay are still under Zamboanga del Sur).  I will check though with the post office for the latest list, if any.  --Akira123323 14:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ZIP Codes

message: Recently linked from Regions of the Philippines is this nice website. It's got a lot of info especially on the history of Philippine geography (when a province was founded, when the region was created). It's also quite updated since it shows Palawan as part of Western Visayas per E.O. 429. --seav 12:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is also a very good website concerning the Philippines in general. --Jondel 01:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference Website for Philippine Geography

message: Has a copyright vio. If any of you have the tamad, I mean, time, please write a clean original version the temp. Thanks.--Jondel 09:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, no prob, it has already been rescued by User:Circa_1900. Good job. disciplined military org indeed.  roger 10-4, over and out. :) --Noypi380 16:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Philippine Military Academy]]

message: La Union and Laguna were moved to La Union province and Laguna province because of other meanings that share the same term. Consequently there are now a lot of Philippine-related pages that now link to the disambiguation pages. I've started editing those pages to disambiguate the links. Maybe somebody would also like to help. =) --seav 18:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Include Isabela province (Isabela) in your prayers. =) --seav 18:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to DAB pages

message: I am thingking of creating a paramilitary category for revolutionaries and rebels, eg for Emilio Aguinaldo, Katipunan, Sakay, NPA, Moro National Liberation Front, etc.Still investigating.--Jondel 08:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Paramilitary]] category

message: Somebody keeps inserting the case of Paco, a Spanish filipino of Cebu who is on death row. He may have a point. I don't know if it is encyclopedic or not but I may create an article.--Jondel 08:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: His case has been on the media since last year, when he was convicted. I think mention of him would be best under the article Death penalty in the Philippines. What do you think? --seav 15:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you both, and I suggest that we check out the link to "Category:Capital_punishment_by_country" for a guide. I believe the articles from that cat are rather helpful. :) --Noypi380 16:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Capital punishment might be encyclopedic. When the Paco article comes out, this will be the dreaded moment of He should know, he's an administrator(if it gets deleted being unencyclopedic). Whatever. I'm an editor first , sysop second. BTW I wanted to mediate between Ang dating daan and Ang tamang daan . I got confused with the issues and decided to read instead about Koko the talking gorilla which seemed to be more interesting.--Jondel 04:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Paco, a Cebuano

message: * Discussion tranferred to Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Featured articles for future FA discussions --Noypi380 15:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippine-related Featured Articles

message: There is a wikitionary and a place for us to create a Tagalog dictionary for those who don't know.--Jondel 06:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wonder how it will stack up against UP Diksyonaryong Filipino. I have no knack for dictionary writing so I'll leave that one alone for now. --seav 08:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they paid to write the dictionary? Since wiki is open source, there is no deadlines. you just have to rely on volunteer work. It's probably like Linux vs Windows. There are others who may want to write the dictionary, just for them to know. --Jondel 11:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Pahabol, the link by the way (for Tagalog) is tl.wiktionary.org --Noypi380 15:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Add this also: Umayos ka! - Fix yourself! :-) --Jojit fb 03:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikitionary

message: When the Leandro Aragoncillo case blew wide open a few weeks ago, I happened across an article about a Navy reservist who passed along classified information to the Philippine Constabulary back in 1986. I forgot his name, until I came across his name again in another article. Check out the article I wrote on him. RashBold 00:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Michael H. Allen]] 

message: Ok, time to face the dreaded 'He should know, he's an adminstrator ' criticism thing. I've created an article about Paco Larrañaga . I'm afraid of repercussions, misinterpretations, etc.  I hope its not unencyclopedic.--Jondel 04:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Day1:Hmmm still no Vfd's or criticism. The tension is killing me.--Jondel 01:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, uhm, here goes. I think you can focus on his life aside from the legalities. :) --Noypi380 14:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *relief* I guess I can focus on his life other things now. Looks like wikpedia accepts the article .  :D .--Jondel 06:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: hahah, I guess so. But you better keep close watch, the VFd's could still come, though I doubt it would be from us. :) --Noypi380 06:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll keep watch. Maybe wikipedia is not as strict or scrutinizing on administrators as I thought.--Jondel 07:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Paco Larrañaga]]

message: Hey people. I was wondering if anyone would like to translate The all mighty and powerful GNU Free Documentation licence to the Philippine wikipedias. (Tagalog, Cebuano, etc). Its kinda like the consti of all the wiki projects that allow freedoms we all share today. Whja think? --Noypi380 02:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually started translating the GFDL and GPL into Iloko in the Ilokano Wikipedia. I plan to translate all GNU documentations, if I can. And there are Tagalog translations of most of F/OSS texts here (not within Tagalog Wikipedia, btw). --Saluyot 13:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, you plan to translate all of them? Good luck, I hope the wikipedians there will help you out, tough to translate those docs solo (unless you are an expert in the lang.). Hmmm, other than that, it looks like that the Ilokano wiki has no prob then with those docs. What about the other Rp wikis, translations anyone? :) --Noypi380 14:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: Hello people (again).  I can use some help on the articles for the LRT and MRT.  Pictures would be helpful for both articles, and I'm thinking of adding on to the entire MRT article (moving extensions sections to the LRT article and adding information aside from the already-present station names).  Please help out.  --Akira123323 12:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help on the LRT and MRT

message: An article was requested to be deleted. Pls visit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Filipino Americans to vote to delete or to keep. Apprently the article failed to explain its criteria on notability on who are worth putting on the list. Revisions I think are good too. --Noypi380 08:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice catch!--Jondel 09:53, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ya, I was checking out Vanessa Minnillo, and then I found deletion request, just on time. :) --Noypi380 13:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Filipino Americans]]

message: Hi! This category has a vote for deletion. Please cast your vote here. I am requesting that the site be retained or at lease a category for place be retained. CalJW wants to rename it to Philippine Landmarks. --Jondel 10:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Philippine sites]]

message: Has anybody tried to make an article on this case? If not, allow me to write it. Please reply in my Talk page. RashBold (Talk) 21:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please go ahead and write it. If the article exists, then I hope it would be OK with you to merge it.--Jondel 01:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No problemo, Jondel. RashBold (Talk) 05:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Je vous en prie.--Jondel 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Julius Babao-Dawud Santos affair 

message: User:CalJW wants to convert :Category:Philippine sites to:Category:Landmarks_in_the_Philippines. [See here]. His previous proposal was tourist attraction.
He also wants to delete :Category: Places in Cuba. For some reason , places and locations are ambigous to him. 
CalJW has done a laudable and respectable job converting and creating categories, however, I've done a lot of work on categories in the Philippines and I think a places or locations categories are needed which he feels are not.  
Wikipedia is not a tourism site! There are :Category:Star Wars locations,:Category:Bible places, :Category:New Testament places and :Category:Torah places. I don't see anything vague with the meaning of place.  Buildings and places have totally different meanings. --Jondel 07:51, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, wikipedia is not a tourism guide, but citing important places is encyclopedic, so I do not think there should be any problem. :) --Noypi380 12:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to use words that mean important place or significant location or place not the word landmark. A landmark is a geographical marker to help tell where you are. It also has come to mean a tourist attraction. 'Place/location/site' feels more accurate. I was the one who created the Philippine sites category and don't want it changed to landmark. Thanks for sharing your insights though.   :)--Jondel 00:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is wikipedia a tourist guide? 

message: Can someone become coordinator for 2005 Philippine electoral crisis? It needs one coz its now under peer review, and I can't work on it coz I'll be busy for quite some time. Pls add your name in Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Featured articles. Thanks. Merry Christmas too :) --Noypi380 06:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Looking for a coordinator

message: Ok I have begun the article and started the ball rolling. Any additions on this article will be welcome. RashBold (Talk) 19:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Julius Babao-Dawud Santos affair]]

message: Since the 2005 Southeast Asian Games is now ongoing, may we devote our time, at least for the duration of the games, to man and watch this article? =) --seav 04:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 SEA Games 

message: I've nominated Provinces of the Philippines at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. It would be nice to see it promoted. :) Coffee 04:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured list candidate 

message: I'm calling all students of the University of the Philippines to help me with the article. I also enjoin you to clean-up articles about the system and the university as well.
Thanks. qing_her
:I have a story. My uncle was a 1933 graduate of the UP in Electrical Engineering. He then got a job at the Telephone company in the Ilocos provinces (where he was from). The linemen were very skeptical ("we've got a snot-nosed kid for a boss" -- when this was duly reported by the party-line gossip over the phone my grandmother was confident -- "he can take care of himself.") and my uncle proved his worth by remotely diagnosing a problem on the phone, simply by listening to the machinery over the phone. -- What this shows me is that the Philippines was fully up to date in terms of capital equipment and investment by the US companies -- education, equipment, etc. The telephone company was founded in 1928. That doesn't mean there weren't horse-drawn carriages then, but horses were also very much in use the US at that time as well. Even the US Army used them up til 1940 and WWII. --Ancheta Wis 18:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fighting Maroons article 

message: This is a job for super sysop. I would like to encourage you all to become sysops as most of you are inured, ready and have the temperament and caliber. If a man started to check and open an automated machine wearing only plain clothes , people would get paranoid. He should wear a badge and uniform.  If a person asked for your ID wearing only plain clothes you would be belligerent and refuse. The man has to wear the uniform. You can't be in between.   Like Jimbo says, it should be no big deal.  You might encounter skirmishes as a sysop but not more  than what you already encounter at the editor level. It is really no big deal. And considering there are many trolls prowling about.  It is just not proper.  We're probably the only English speaking group here with a modicum of sysops. I've requested a few to become sysops and might again nominate in the coming weeks.Pls don't feel like this is an imposition. If you are going to volunteer to edit here, might as well do it with full capability to do so. The only thing it takes for evil trolls to rule the online community is for good (looking) people to do nothing.  :)  --Jondel 00:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'm still not interested. Maybe you can convince others, though. =) --seav 03:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seav, please, its no big deal. None of the ' he should know' yak yak yak. No edit wars. I was about to nominate you. As Luke and Anakin Skywalker says, 'NOOOOoooooooooo ' *fade away*. Seriously you've been here much longer than most us have.--Jondel 04:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Jondel, as you know I got the badge. Countrymen, I am available for your requests, but I may be in a different timezone than some of you, as I live in a Cold Country where we need to shovel snow. Still you have at least 3 sysops by my count, maybe more. A sus ordenes,--Ancheta Wis 16:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations! =) --seav 23:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: High time for a promotion.

message: This category is up for deletion, FYI.Please vote.--Jondel 07:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: CalJW is beginning to be really annoying. --seav 00:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is obsessed with categorizing and the superiority of his British English. How would you feel if the Barangays category got renamed? Ouch! I 've lost motivation to categorize Philippine related articles knowing he will redo the work.--Jondel 04:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Do we have an explicit policy about using "Filipino" or "Philippine" in the category system? We shouldn't leave that ambiguous. Taking a quick glance at the main Philippines category, I see :Category:Filipino environment and :Category:Filipino media, which are probably better as "Philippine environment" and "Philippine media". Perhaps we should only use the "Filipino" form when it deals directly with the people. Coffee 04:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My issue is with CalJW's overcategorization. For reference purposes, this was extracted from www.dictionary.com:Fil·i·pi·no( P )Pronunciation Key(fl-pn)n. pl. Fil·i·pi·nos :A native or inhabitant of the Philippines. The Austronesian language that is based on Tagalog, draws its lexicon from other Philippine languages, and is the official language of the Philippines. adj. Of or relating to the Philippines or its peoples, languages, or cultures.  --Jondel 05:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Philippine to me sounds more formal and state-like. Philippine government. Philippine republic. Philippine embassy. etc. Philippine President=President of the Philippines. Filipino president=a president of Filipino ethnicity.--Jondel 05:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Filipino" is for people only, for example Filipino golfer, Filipino journalist. Excemptions I think are for titles such as Philippine president and other similar titles, (president is primarily an office, not a person, so rule does not apply). "Philippine" - inamimate objects, events, places, buildings, etc. I am 90% sure of these--Noypi380 15:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also use "Filipino" as an adjective to refer to cultural things. Filipino art vs. Philippine art. Filipino music vs. Philippine music. Filipino cuisine vs. Philippine cuisine. Filipino films vs. Philippine films. --seav 22:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Cavite Politicians]]

message: This category is about to be moved, please vote here WP:CfD.--Jondel 10:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: CalJW is beginning to be really annoying. --seav 00:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is obsessed with categorizing and the superiority of his British English. How would you feel if the Barangays category got renamed? Ouch! I 've lost motivation to categorize Philippine related articles knowing he will redo the work.--Jondel 04:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Do we have an explicit policy about using "Filipino" or "Philippine" in the category system? We shouldn't leave that ambiguous. Taking a quick glance at the main Philippines category, I see :Category:Filipino environment and :Category:Filipino media, which are probably better as "Philippine environment" and "Philippine media". Perhaps we should only use the "Filipino" form when it deals directly with the people. Coffee 04:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My issue is with CalJW's overcategorization. For reference purposes, this was extracted from www.dictionary.com:Fil·i·pi·no( P )Pronunciation Key(fl-pn)n. pl. Fil·i·pi·nos :A native or inhabitant of the Philippines. The Austronesian language that is based on Tagalog, draws its lexicon from other Philippine languages, and is the official language of the Philippines. adj. Of or relating to the Philippines or its peoples, languages, or cultures.  --Jondel 05:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Philippine to me sounds more formal and state-like. Philippine government. Philippine republic. Philippine embassy. etc. Philippine President=President of the Philippines. Filipino president=a president of Filipino ethnicity.--Jondel 05:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Filipino" is for people only, for example Filipino golfer, Filipino journalist. Excemptions I think are for titles such as Philippine president and other similar titles, (president is primarily an office, not a person, so rule does not apply). "Philippine" - inamimate objects, events, places, buildings, etc. I am 90% sure of these--Noypi380 15:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also use "Filipino" as an adjective to refer to cultural things. Filipino art vs. Philippine art. Filipino music vs. Philippine music. Filipino cuisine vs. Philippine cuisine. Filipino films vs. Philippine films. --seav 22:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Filipino movie directors]] to [[:Category:Philippine film directors]]

message: Can this be moved back (admin rights needed)? This is getting ridiculous. I really think that the province is a case of Paris and not Paris, France. Antique, Cotabato, Leyte, Davao, and Samar are obvious in their need for the province marker. So do Isabela, Aurora, Abra, and probably Laguna and La Union. But I draw the line at Quezon. (And Rizal might be targetted next.) --seav 12:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I've moved it back. Coffee 07:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! =) --seav 11:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Quezon]] was moved to [[Quezon Province]]

message: According to A.O. 129, E.O. 429, which transferred Palawan to Region VI, is under a "TRO" by the president until the "Implementation Plan" for its transfer is approved. (It seems the president realized that it's not easy to transfer provinces.) THe question then is, what should we do with Palawan? Legally, Palawan is still in MIMAROPA. --seav 12:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *grumble* What a mess, I even updated this map already. Is it a sure thing that Palawan is moving to Western Visayas? And if so, will the change happen soon? If it's going to happen soon we might as well consider it part of Western Visayas now. If it E.O. 429 might still be revoked we should just consider Palawan part of MIMAROPA. And if Palawan is in an indefinite state of limbo, we'll need to update all the articles and templates with notes and footnotes explaining the situation. :/ Coffee 16:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Palawan is not yet in Western Visayas

message: Transferred to Talk:Coat of Arms of the Philippines --Noypi380 03:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is really the coat-of-arms of the Philippines 

message: I was just curious. For the sake of history, should Philippine House be included in someway in any of our history articles/categories? After all, the Philippines is named after Philip II of Spain, who was followed by Philip III of Spain, and Philip IV of Spain. :) --Noypi380 16:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Philippine House]] 

message: I 've been searching with google and would appreciate any links or sources about the first Italian -Malay dictionary which should be Italian Cebuano dictionary. This is to conclusively establish that Henry the Black was a Cebuano and not a Malaccan native.--Jondel 01:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Malay dictionary

message: Ok, I guess we sort of have some consensus here:
*1) As far as possible, we do not use Filipino to mean lowlander Austronesian-speaking Filipinos ONLY. Just like Oprah is an American, Alfredo Lim, who is ethnic Chinese, is Filipino.
I guess you would also agree with this:
*2) In articles about the people of the Philippines, there should be proportional representation (i.e., Tagalogs (who are ~25% of the population), Visayans , Ilokanos should probably get a section. French-Visayans (maybe 0.0000000000001%) should probably fall under a section called minorities, or not mentioned at all.
Please help in removing statements like "90% of the people in the Philippines are Filipino," because 100% of people of the Philippines (excluding expats) are Filipinos :) --Nino Gonzales 05:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, help whenever I can. --Noypi380 16:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: :Manigong Bagong Taon sa inyong lahat! (Tagalog)
:Mabungahong Bag-ong Tuig kaninyong tanan! (Cebuano)
:Narang-ay a Baro a Tawenyo amin! (Ilokano)
:Mahamungayaon nga Bag-ong Tuig sa inyong tanan (Hiligaynon)
:Mamura-way na Ba-gong Taon sa indo gabos! (Bikol)
:Masaplalang Bayung Banwa keko ngan! (Kapampangan)
:Mainuswagon nga Bag-o nga Tuig ha iyo nga tanan! (Waray-Waray)
:Maaligwas ya Balon Taon ed sikayon amin! (Pangasinan)
:Mahigugmaon nga Bag-ong Dag-on kinyo tanan! (Akeanon)
:Makasi Tahun Ba'gu kaniyu katantan! (Tausug)
:Hapi Nyu Yir! (Philippine English) ;-)
:Prúspiro Anyo Nwebo (Philippine Spanish) ;-)
Best of luck to all of you in 2006. --Chris S. 21:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy New Year! 

message: As promised:
Extremely inclusive:
Concise:
--Nino Gonzales 09:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peoples of the Philippine Templates