Talk:Bill James

message: This article reads more like a poorly written child's school report than an encyclopedia entry. 
"Red Sox GM Theo Epstein also turned out to have a sabermetric bent."
The grammar in this is bad and it's more like a fluff piece. Removing this one sentence but I suggest a rewrite.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.28.149 (talk) 00:42, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professionalism 

message: I think it should be mentioned that that version of the RC formula shown is the "basic version" as there are more detailed versions.  Also, James usually refers to the RC formula as ((Hits+Walks)*(Total Bases))/(At Bats+Walks).  Not that it is that important, but I don't think he ever refers to it in the way it is written in the article, with Total Bases before hits+walks and with plate appearances being divided by. Not that it really matters but just because that is how he refers to it.
I changed "possibly the most influential sportswriter in baseball history," since Alexander Joy Cartwright implemented most of the changes in what became modern baseball.
-Sam
* That could probably be changed, since James I don't believe would profess to being a "sports writer".  A more accurate statement might be "possiblt the most influential person in modern baseball statistial analysis". 64.186.39.4 18:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runs Created Formula 

message: I think that SABR does much more than "scientifically evaluates statistical data in attempting to determine why teams win and lose." From their website: "Our mission is to foster the study of baseball past and present, and to provide an outlet for educational, historical and research information about the game."Chocaholic 06:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Point 

message: A reference to Covering the Bases: Making Sense of Bill James' Statistical Nonsense‎ was deleted from this article after the book's article was deleted. I agree that the book itself is not notable enough for its own Wikipedia article, but I would argue that it's notable enough to be included in this article. It's the only book-length retort to his work that I know of, and I think it's important to note. What are some other views? Rmj12345 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The book didn't make enough impact to warrant extended discussion, but a brief mention seems reasonable.  DwaynefromME (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-notable book 

message: Those who are interested in Bill James may be interested in the ongoing discussion re deletion of urls that include his projections, which can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Deletions_by_Tecmobowl_of_hundreds_of_baseball_urls_w.2Funique_information.3B_failure_to_discuss.3B_edit_warring . --Epeefleche 20:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions of Bill James projections

message: I'd suggest adding a section about how James was a Kansas City fan. His essay in his 1986 Baseball Abstract about attending the 1985 World Series (won by the Royals, and which included a brief history of Kansas City major league baseball) was a wonderful piece. Hanksummers (talk)hanksummers  —Preceding comment was added at 15:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kansas City Royals Fan

message: It might be worth mentioning somewhere in the article that noted ESPN columnist Rob Neyer began his career working for James. Gilbertine goldmark (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rob Neyer mention

message: "Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane began applying sabermetric principles to running his low-budget team in the late 1990s, to notable effect, as chronicled in Michael Lewis' book Moneyball.
In 2003, James was hired by a former reader, John Henry, the new owner of the Boston Red Sox."
Should read,  "When he took over as GM of the Oakland Athletics in the late 1990s, Billy Beane continued the work of Sandy Alderson, (a huge fan of Bill James) who was the first to apply sabermetric principles to running a major league baseball team."
83.85.130.224 (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandy Alderson 

message: I think this section of the article is extremely problematic.  First of all, the very title is arguably not NPOV.  Furthermore... it is true that James has written that Allen was such a bad clubhouse influence as to be a worthless player (although it should also be noted that James has since largely backtracked on that).  That might be worth mentioning, as might Tanner's response (although BTW, it'd be nice to have a cite for that response).  However, the discussion gets into serious original research and non-NPOV when it attempts to prove that Allen wasn't a bad influence.  Firstly, whether he was or not, a lot of his contemporaries thought he was.  It was the defining story of his career, not unlike a Milton Bradley or Terrell Owens of today.  Moreover, it just isn't the point of a Bill James article.  DwaynefromME (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Attacks on Dick Allen" section

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