Talk:Biff Rose/Archive 4

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We are still editing and reediting the discography....this should remain on the talk page.   --Sojambi Pinola 06:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

message: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.  This is a new guideline, endorsed & instigated by Jimbo.  The intent is to keep Wikipedia out of legal jeopardy, as well as to be fair.  I believe this is relevant reading, given some of the contentiousness of this article. Derex 17:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  please read 

message: Archived material in the archive,  the page grows and grows and grows, let's start some real discussions rather than ennervating attack, why don't we?Jonah Ayers 05:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW CLEANUP

message: These new edits are obviously more work of the sockpuppets of the banned guy.  You are using a bunch of names to avoid the 3RR.  You are also citing an interview of mine, but taking a phrase out of context, and by doing so, changing its meaning.  The original sentence you are citing goes:
It's fourteen songs played one right after the other, with these wild, violent piano improvisations in between them.
That is not the same as saying that the album has been described as a "violent piano improvisation."  It is a misquote and does not belong in the article.  --Sojambi Pinola 05:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Activity 

message: This page contains an unsourced images that will be removed tomorrow, I don't imagine that is the source of the controversy regarding this page but I wanted to let stakeholders know, in case there is any objection. The images are :Image:Biffpress.jpg and :Image:Biffpaint.jpg and have been tagged as no source for over 7 days. If anyone is aware of their source please change the tag to the appropriate one. Thanks. - cohesion★talk 18:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing unsourced image 

message: ::Dear Admins,
::If possible, it would be great to remove the following sentence:  
::The music was written by Rose and the lyrics were written by Williams.
::and replace it with the more accurate: 
::The lyrics were written by Rose and Williams, and the music was written by Rose.  
::As I cannot supply a citation for this at present, removing the sentence altogether would work as well.
::Thank you.  --Sojambi Pinola 05:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Replacing sentence?

message: If you mean that your edits have been dictated by Biff Rose, and that some other people have views they can back up that differ strongly from his opinion of himself, well yes it's succesful You have been found, User:Sojambi Pinola to have written, or edited exactly how Biff Rose has desired, which is in essence writing autoiogrpahy, something which wikipedia strongly discourages.
You should keep going this way, because the more outrageous of these I can put together, the more case I'll have against you... the rose message board posts that have included direct instructions form Rose to you about what to write on Wikipedia have been erased, but ... they were cached and saved before hand. Screenshots have been taken and another wikipedian is taking the info to the admins that do not police this board. Siobhan Mcnally
:I am shaking in my shoes. (rolls eyes at threatening language of yours.)
:As admins have said on this page before, Mr. Rose is allowed to edit his own entry, so there would be no problem with me making changes for him, or taking suggestions from him as I formulate what I write.  That said, I make my own decisions.  I do my best to write in a manner appropriate to the spirit of the Wikipedia project.  --Sojambi Pinola 17:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are serious accusations. I'd like to see some of the screenshots documenting such egregious behavior. Marcuse 17:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Succesful Fascism Included

message: rose has been accused of Anti semitism numerous times due to postings found on his web presences. these are listed on the article. Online, Rose has been challenged by numerous writers, and editors about his angry anti semitic stance, and Rose has never once disavowed anti semtism, but answers with riddles. "I"m no jew, and jews know I'm the real deal. Beware." This is a quote from a 1999 interview with Denver writer Thom Murtle. Doing it again 06:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I keep these on file to avoid wasting time with you.  Your old sockpuppets:.  Former incidents involving you making the same sorts of claims:, .  And a page where you gloat about your tactics and attempts to waste my time:    There.  That took about half a minute. --Sojambi Pinola 17:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   ANTI SEMITISM 

message: You wrote :
Dear Admins,
If possible, it would be great to remove the following sentence:
The music was written by Rose and the lyrics were written by Williams.
and replace it with the more accurate:
The lyrics were written by Rose and Williams, and the music was written by Rose.
As I cannot supply a citation for this at present, removing the sentence altogether would work as well.
Thank you. --Sojambi Pinola 05:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biff posts changes on messageboard that he then enacts on wikipedia contradictory to established past

message: For over a year and a half I have been harrassed by the editor formerly known as Willmcw, who now goes by the rather dubious sobriquet of Will beback. IT is the same person. HE's been involved in numerous spats with people online- some to be fair ae noble, but for the most part he hunts down and antagonizes anyone who does not agree with him. An article about someone who appears to be his father keeps disappearing from the online wikipedia. He then puts a block on whoever created it. This is clearly a design to keep information off of wikipedia. The article doens't mention his identity on here, I happen to be familiar enough with the facts to know, but I haven't spread the information. It has become clear that if willmcw/will beback disagrees with you he exhibits a strong force- one that goes against the rules of being a mediator on wikipedia, which he is- and tries to force the individual he hasa disagreement with off of the site. What's more, he curries favor with other individuals who also bend the rules at their every whim, so an alliance of sort is established. Kate0fan was one of these, and in her particular case she was forced off of wikipedia because of the disinformation she was forcing on others and the website, once it became clear that she was an actual journalist, and was in jeopardy of losing her job. SOjambi Pinola is another, he swears he is not the subject of the article Biff Rose, yet every time Biff Rose mentions his desires as to how the wiki article should read, this sojambi character then carries those instructions out. That is a sure case of sock puppetry. More important to that case, several bits of information are downright false, and other bits are erased, even though they have satisfactory documentation by wikipedia standards. It is known that Rose has been called an Anti Semite and a Racist by magazines ranging from Offbeat, to LA Alternative Weekly, to the SF weekly- though this last one minced words and did a string of double talk sentences so as not to most fully offend Rose. On Wikipedia, when these instances are cited, they are immediately withdrawn by a certain will beback, and the poster is blocked summarily, for a week or even for indefiinite periods, or Sojambi Pinola starts a revert war, for which he has yet to serve any blockage of time. Because some other people took the matter of Rose into their own hands, and wrote some unfavorable and also untrue things about Rose and a supposed arrest for sexual misconduct with a minor, anyone who disagrees with Rose and rose sockpuppet Sojambi Pinola are then accused of creating fallacies. This is how wikipedia runs now. Untruths, and undocumented bits of info are accepted if presented to the right bully. And citeable information is refused on the basis of being suspect, although it is not so. In the instance of Biff Rose, and a host of other articles this has been left to the devices of Willmcw/Will be back, KeteOfan, and someone known as Slimvirgin. These people have formed an alliance and supported each other in every battle the other has gotten into, and proposed each other for promotion to administration roles on the site. It is this most vicious sort of Nepotistic behavior that is clouding the very outlook of wikipedia, which deems to keep its good eye shut to this behavior. I imagine that even this posting will be erased by Wilmcw/Will beback. I will then repost it, and a circle will be established until finally willmcw/will beback will then block me from posting or editing for an indefinite period of time. This is most certainly harrassment. What's more, Willmcw/will beback then searches out any edits the people he dislikes, and manhandles them, or erases them regardless of their virtue. In some few cases he has been right to do so, but with most, he has simply turned editing into a more severe form of bullying anyone with a dissenting point of view. Case in point is the Fleetwood Mac articel where some soldi edits and rewrites were undertaken to clarify points. But because the name of the editor was that of someone Willmcw/will beback had already done battle with, he then erased all of the edits, reverting the article back to an almost unreadable an nonsnsical state. This has happened at a myriad of articles. It is a tragedy.Ivy Hezza 17:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trouble with an editor