Talk:Traditional heavy metal

message: Why does every link from a classic metal band lead to "heavy metal music"? i think it should lead to this page.Zelda 19:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre Categorization 

message: Is someone just going round and trying to fucking merge every Metal genra together? WTF? Someone should stop who evers messing with the articles. Its just not funny.
:It's because Proto-Metal, Traditional Metal, and Classic Metal are all the same damn thing. Read the pages. They all say the same thing: they have the same time period, all are pointed out to have influenced heavy metal, same sounds and qualities, and list the same bands as being major contributors. I think the page for Classic Metal should say, "Classic Metal, also known as Traditional Metal and Proto-Metal..." Helltopay27 18:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF??! 

message: I'm going to rewrite the intro paragraph for a number of reasons, primarily because 1. Most people won't know what a "cross-genre term" is, and 2. These bands did not give birth to heavy metal (the genre was born about ten years prior); rather they represent the "golden age" of heavy metal and are seen by some as the representatives of a classic metal sound.  Any thoughts or concerns before I change it, let me know.  WesleyDodds 02:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also approve Wesley's version, which ironically says quite different to yours. First, it is in line with this article. Second, it explicitly says it doesnt have a distinct style, because it doesnt. So trying to force a POV over a Fact often doesnt work on Wikipedia. Stop the edit war now, both of you. Go edit some other articles, good starting places are here and here. Ley Shade 09:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro paragraph 

message: If you're going to state that Iron Maiden is "Classic Metal," then you should probably include the other early bands from the New Wave of British Metal, which I think Maiden was a big part of. TheLedBalloon 16:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: This must be the fiftyeleventh time that someone mistakes AC/DC's hard rock for metal music. They don't exactly embrace the idea of being shoved into the metal department themselves, so why put them on the list? Broadbandmink 23:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC/DC 

message: I will add them to the list because I believe they are an appropriate band to list. Thundermaster367 13:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no, not that Queen thing again...
You can add any band, as proved in "comments by mark7532222  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.206.41 (talk) 03:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen 

message: Should they be included?
142.162.207.163 (talk) 00:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racer X? 

message: Why isn't Led Zeppelin in the list? They are one of the "three big founders" of heavy metal (with Black Sabbath and Deep Purple). I think we should add them. mrdjulazat  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdjulazat (talk • contribs) 19:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Jamcad01 (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Led Zeppelin 

message: Page has been nominated at AfD. Please comment via link on main page. Master of Metal (Have a chat!) 14:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afd Nomination 

message: I recall that before this article was wiped clean, it mentioned that "traditional metal" meant second wave "pure" heavy metal bands that didn't develop the genre itself, as in Black Sabbath and Judas Priest as opposed to Blue Cheer and Steppenwolf, thus excluding those and bands being mentioned in the list and making the infobox more different from the main heavy metal article. Should we re-add this? I think we should, since proto-punk is not the same as traditional punk rock and there's just something not right about putting Iron Maiden and Jimi Hendrix together. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between proto-metal? 

message: I thought Hendrix was psychedelia or something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.28.137 (talk) 11:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimi hendrix = metal??? 

message: This page needs to include more modern bands from the 90s or 2000s that play traditional heavy metal.  An example would be Black Label Society.  This genre of metal didn't just die when hair metal and thrash metal came out, bands like Black Label Society still play traditional heavy metal. Metalfan72 (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Label Society 

message: All the hard rock, hair metal, power metal and neoclassical/shred metal are not traditional heavy metal.  Bands that play traditional heavy metal would be the original heavy metal bands from the 1970s like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Led Zeppelin etc., the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Saxon etc.) and any other band who plays heavy metal that would not be classified as another subgenre of metal. If you include hair metal as traditional heavy metal then you should also include thrash metal because they are both just as close to traditional heavy metal. Metalfan72 (talk) 20:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree. Ostalocutanje (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you guys... but this is an never-ending debate. Actually it depends on where you draw the line between hardrock and heavy metal.There are different sense to the word heavy metal which often blur the approach of the issue generating constant confusion. In some cases, hard rock is considered as synonymous to heavy metal, whereas in some other cases, they are regarded as different genres. For my part it's clear bands like Judas priest, Maiden, Accept are heavy metal, and bands like AC/DC, Aerosmith are hard rock. But in a wider acception heavy metal can also include hardrock, which leads to this constant misunderstanding between different views...I think the best is to source any band included in the list...Alpha Ursae Minoris (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some of these bands are not traditional metal 

message: Following on from the discussion above: whether we think that a band is traditional heavy metal is actually rather irrelevant. What matters is what reliable sources indicate. The unsourced list is clearly going to be a continual problem on this article. The only way this can be successfully dealt with is to removed unsourced content. I would suggest these things cause less problems if taken off to a separate article where they are still available but avoid drive by fanlisting. I will create a new article and take all the sourced bands from the article and list there soon, unless there are serious objections and then put a link on this page.--SabreBD (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have had to abandon this attempt for the time being. Once I had deleted all the unsourced and dubiously sourced acts there was almost nothing left, which doesn't really speak well for the quality of the article here.--SabreBD (talk) 09:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: List