Talk:List of Pokémon (481–493)

message: Can't you at least give articles to only the starters and the legendaries?  The REST of the Pokemon being grouped  , im ok with.  OR you can transfer all the information to your lack luster sister, Bulbapedia.  I mean, come on!!! It uses the same Media Wiki engine as Wikipedia, so why cant you at least transfer all the info to Bulbapedia???
MudkipNDS 16:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too right, there's too much info here, and not enough on Bulbapedia. Samx 22:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, why don't you transfer it yourself instead of complaining here? It's the Bulbapedia peoples' job to transfer the information, not ours. Just copy it from the page histories and paste it there instead.--Zxcvbnm 00:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm already on it. Samx 07:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Seriously? I've been there many times. Hasn't been slow to me... -WarthogDemon 22:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just transfer the information to Bulbapedia

message: Please include game data, like attacks perhaps or what games they appear on. Or at least something similar. This is slightly annoying. 86.5.13.121 13:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Wikipedia isn't a gameguide. Go to Bulbapedia or gamefaqs for that. -WarthogDemon 22:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because an article features basic data/information doesn't make it a game guide. It only adds to the quality of the article. Deoxys911 03:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A list of attacks is a game guide, since it has no value other than to players of the game.--ZXCVBNM 04:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true. Ever seen those nutcases out there that say, "Oh, this Pokemon is evil because it uses an attack that steals its opponent's soul."? I'm pretty sure they would find it helpful to look up the Pokemon on Wiki and see what the attack actually did. 69.220.61.32 18:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: We already have have the names, numbers, and types in the infoboxes on the lists. -WarthogDemon 20:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game data 

message: There is no source for the "fact" that Arceus' wheel looks like an A from the front. Also, this is not true. If Arceus' wheel is viewed from the front it looks more like an X, although this also has no proof and is just an opinion. Until a reliable source or proof that it looks like an A from the front is given I am removing this. On a side note, please do not re-add it like last time. Deoxys911 02:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with you that it looks nothing like an 'A'. However, I would challenge the notion that the appearances of the letters of the alphabet are matters of opinion.72.213.131.244 18:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

message: This page has all the legendary pokemon, exceot Uxie? Where did it go?    216.184.40.173 18:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_%28461-480%29#Uxie >_> -Sukecchi 18:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If you noticed, the page goes in numerical order. Uxie just happened to be one number below the cutoff of this page. It's not "Legendary Pokemon", its all pokemon numbers 481-493. Uxie is 480, and so he is on the previous page. 24.15.53.225 14:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uxie 

message: Why does Arceus's info state that it's like a llama and then say later that it's like a horse? Isn't this rather contradictory?—Preceding unsigned comment added by BabyCharmander (talk • contribs) 
:Fixed. SpigotMap 06:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradicting information? 

message: Is Wiki this useless? Where are the pictures? This article really needs to be visual. Isn't that obvious?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.123.89 (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, pictures are clearly encyclopedic, if there was something I could do about it I would, but unfortuntely there isn't anything I can do. TheBlazikenMaster 12:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures? 

message: When I get e-mail I will join bulbapedia and copy data for each poke'mon and put it there.  This will force the data to be put in sperate articles therefore fixing this mess.--Arceus fan 21:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what we're encouraging everyone to do. (And I should really get off my lazy butt and do so myself.) -WarthogDemon 21:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bulbapedia uses a different copyright license, so you can't just copy it. 69.182.87.75 16:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't depend at all. Unless Bulbapedia is GFDL, it will be copyright infringement. Please do not attack anonymous users, many anonymous users have edited wiki for years anonymously. SpigotMap 03:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Werid 

message: I argued this before back on the individual pages, and i'm saying it again here. There is NO evidence to support any connection between Giratina and Dialga and Palkia. I am sick of people here claiming this as fact when there is zero evidence supporting it both in-game and out. I have deleted this fan-speculated info from the article, and i don't want to see it restored unless someone can find some proof to back it up.The Great Morgil 19:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we should only have connections if they have reliable sources. 
69.177.215.87 15:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Acftually you may not because that's not why we have the lists. -WarthogDemon 14:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no choice but suggesting you to go to Bulbapedia, please since you want the good info so much, you should go there. Believe me, it's a lot better there. What you are doing here isn't helping at all. You really should be helping them out there. We are making the lists to get rid of unnecessary info. I'm giving you an advice, go there. If you keep on adding unnecessary info you could get in trouble, I'm only typing that because I know how you feel about this, (I felt the same when this started) and don't want you to get blocked for adding irrelevant info. So please go to Bulbapedia, that's the best place for you. TheBlazikenMaster 16:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giratina 

message: I've played Pearl and it lists Palkia as the Spacial Pokémon and that it has "control over space"  - could someone please explain to me precisely what this means? I understand the ability to control time (Dialga) but I don't fully understand what it means to control "space".  82.153.230.243 13:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Time and space are a pair. Time is the aspect of everything progressing, whereas Space is a more physical aspect like matter and its location. Coordinates I guess is the measure of space. Both concepts of time and space are not tangible matters, time is progression and space is existence. If you have the power to manipulate space you can cause teleporting, telekinesis, dimensional rips, and all possible physical controlling. A fine reference is Neo of The Matrix. All of his abilities involve the manipluation of space in the Matrix. If that poor summary isn't enough, perhaps you could just look up time and space. --TerraGamerX 06:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spacial Pokémon? 

message: I'm sorry, but WTF? Archaedus is not Aruseus' official English name. Pichumaster is completely wrong in editing Arceus to Archaedus purely on whim. I'd fix it, but I just registered yesterday. Someone else mind lending a hand? Also, this is a page from Bulbapedia that proves that I'm right. RaidonMakoto 18:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then revert it. If it's obvious vandalism, reverting is the secret tool. TheBlazikenMaster 18:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I tried that first. Since its locked, it won't let me revert. I fixed everything, since I remembered I had an old account here :D Aqua rust 18:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, anyways, its fixed now. Probably should have said it was locked, so I couldn't edit it with my new account... I plan to stick with this one anyways, but I'm glad I still had that account. RaidonMakoto 18:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it should be obvious that it's locked due to the lock icon in the corner. I didn't know you couldn't edit since I didn't know your account was new, that's all. TheBlazikenMaster 18:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just bolded the part in which I said I was new. Its okay though XD RaidonMakoto 18:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, it's ok. You're too late in bolding anyway. I could have reverted it myself anyway. I don't know why the hell I didn't. TheBlazikenMaster 18:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archaedus? 

message: I'm not much of a Pokemon fan, (I was reading the Death article and supposedly there's a pokemon that looks like the Grim Reaper) but pictures for this article would be cool so I can see what they look like.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Six string brad (talk • contribs) 00:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't agree more, I'm really annoyed by that policy. What makes lists any less special than articles? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Copyright paranoia. And I don't like the policy either. Blue Mirage (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am so gonna make a rant about this, useful encyclopedias HAVE pictures. How the hell are the images in this list copyright violation if pictures in non-list articles aren't? This is madness, treating lists different than article. You can count on that, I will be making a YouTube video discussing this. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it either, but the reasons why can be found at User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation (especially 6.10). MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't agree more!!! OMG I used to come here to figure out what the Pokemon were based on... that data was lost and so were the pictures!!! STUPID STUPID STUPID!! (No offense!) --HoopoeBaijiKite 04:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures would be cool 

message: Hi guys it's me Kisame24589, and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to get different nintendo events for Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, thanx
:I am sorry this isn't the right place to ask. Discussion pages are to improve the article, you should try to go to a community or something. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you get nintendo event 

message: Since Origin Forme Giratina is mentioned on your list, why not mention Sky Forme Shaymin since CoroCoro just released the information. I didn't "research" this under the terms of Wikipedia.
I just found out about it and thought it would be useful.Link toon 03 (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just for consideration 

message: Palkia is obtainable in Diamond and, Dialga is obtainable in Pearl, according to Bulbapedia. Dialga and Palkia have pokédex entries in Diamond and Pearl. The only way to get a pokédex entry (one that only states the name the area and cry), is to fight Dialga/Palkia, the only way to get a pokédex entry (one with all information including description, area, cry, height, weight footprint etc..) is to obtain it. Androo123 (talk) 04:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't make those more notable in that case than other Pokémon. You need to capture all types of Pokémon to get those features as well. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about manaphy, there is no way to beat the entire game unless you get ranger Androo123 (talk) 01:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palkia and Dialga 

message: Why are there aren't any images? There should be some!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.111.4 (talk) 18:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it really sucks there are no images. Common, we only need 20, but each time it's added, they get removed. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here here! 65.186.85.42 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: What happened to the Manaphy section that used to be here below the Phione section??? I want to know the reasoning for this NAOW!!!
Also, if everyone wants images or wants to know what the Pokemon look like, there's always Photobucket and Bulbapedia, as well as various other websites. Finally, this is an encyclopedia, not a fansite, so statements based on opinions are discouraged or not needed. Finally, please improve your spelling and puncuation people! (And watch your language! Sheesh!)  Socalledinfomation (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Manaphy was not vissible because User:66.243.235.192 malformed a reftag here. He or she also added this of which I can't make sense of. I reverted his/her edits. Cheers, Face 10:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, we all appreciate it Socalledinfomation (talk) 07:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing section 

message: OK, there's all this talk about fancruft and deletion and all this stuff, yet no one noticed the tidbit that says that Cyrus touched Mesprit? NOWHERE in any form of media is this said or implied in any way. 207.172.132.55 (talk) 23:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mesprit

message: Many centuries ago, a Phione accidentally laid a mysterious, bright blue egg with a red heart inside it. It eventually hatched into a different, slightly smaller Phione, which was named Manaphy. Many Phione began to worship it and Manaphy became the "Prince of the Sea". 
Where the hell did this come from? There's no source for it and I haven't seen any mention of something like this anywhere else before.  Based on how it mixes up game and anime information (the relation between Phione and Manaphy hasn't been mentioned in the anime yet, and the "Prince of the Sea" title is not used in the games), it looks like some kid has added their nonsensical theory into the page.  I don't like removing this kind of crap without mentioning it (because that tends to get reverted by people who don't realize that it's crap), so I thought I'd just point it out here instead. 63.215.28.146 (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manaphy crap 

message: They protected the darkrai redirect. Could an admin please change it so that it redirects here? Solar Flute (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Darkrai redirect

message: Arceus is officialy revealed to Nintendo! (Finally!) Also, it is going to appear in the upcoming 12th Pokemon movie, Arceus: To the Conquering of Space Time, which in turn is estimated to appear in Japan sometime in July. Socalledinfomation (talk) 04:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arceus 

message: The Pokemon here are very important, and since they are part of many movies and myths, many try to put vandalism, or more precisely speculation, in the article. If we were to SEMI-PROTECT the article, it would be safer, and have more info and less randomosity. Who's not going to mess with Arceus' article, anyway? It's just asking for random vandals to put down a rumor they heard from other eejits somewhere else on it. Semi-protection would be nice here. If Mudkip can have it, these ones certainly should. Any discussion over SEMI-PROTECTING the article begins now. 2J Bäkkvire Maestro RQQ et al favorite haunts 21:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. New editors or IP's shouldnt be able to edit this article, or at least Arceus. These are big Pokemon, and people are always adding crazy stuff. Blake (Talk·Edits) 22:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But who decides to semi-protect? Are there any admins that patrol Pokemon and have rights to do that? 2J Bäkkvire Maestro RQQ et al favorite haunts 15:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reasonable level of vandalism in this article to warrant semi-protection. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classified- kinda 

message: It's not even the correct spelling. To me, it would make more sense to put the company at that page and leave a message with something such as 
For the Pokémon, see Arceus 
or something similar to that. Would that be a good idea? -99.255.188.158 (talk) 18:31, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does [[Arseus]] need to be a disambiguation? 

message: ...Then let's work extra-hard to eliminate the game-guidey stuff. There's way too much random junk, speculation, and cheat-related information. Are we in agreement? Is there some knd of banner we can put saying too much here qualifies as a gameguide? WP=:), 2J Bäkkvire Maestro RQQ et al favorite haunts 12:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK, if not semi-protect... 

message: On coro coro, it reveled 2 new pokemon called Zoura and Zorrock. Should I add them or wait until we get more deatils about the Pokemon?
:We're waiting until there's actually information to post; at the moment we really know nothing beyond their names and first-type, which really isn't enough to include. We don't even know their Dex number (which is kinda important in lists organized by Dex number) - for all we know they could be 495 or 587. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with MM. In addition to what he said, it would just leave things open for confusion, rumors, hoaxes, unverified claims, etc. It would be far simpler (and more organized) to wait until the games actually come out. -WarthogDemon 17:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Same. If you want, you can help edit my userpage I made for it. Don't add trivia/speculation like "It is simmilar to Lucario, because it was revealed in a movie before the games.", or it will be removed. Blake (Talk·Edits) 17:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, it's extremely unlikely that they would be next on the Dex anyway, since that place is reserved for starter Pokemon only. 2J Bäkkvire Maestro Test UR Skill! What I've Done 22:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I felt like I should add something but could not think of what it was this entire day. You just said it. -WarthogDemon 22:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: new pokemon

message: While i retain that not every Pokemon on the list (heatran, cresselia, etc.) are notable enough for their own articles, some of them i believe do need their own articles. They are:
Giratina
Dialga/Palkia (either seperate articles or one article for both)
Regigigas
Arceus  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TVtriviagirl (talk • contribs) 02:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Being important in the series doesn't make them notable for articles. Being important in real life, mainly by getting reception from reliable sources makes them notable. Look at the last section of every Pokemon with an article, and if you find a good amount of that for them, then we will talk.(Keep in mind that I helped in the creation of Charizard, Lucario, and many other articles) Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I've said, though, how is some blogger on GameFaqs saying "this thing is ugly" or "dude this is tight lol" a reliable source? The only reliable sources are the PokeDex and newspapers/magazines. If not, correct me otherwise? 2D Backfire Master talk, guestbook  12:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I am talking about staff articles on IGN, GamesRadar, Joystiq, etc. Not user blogs. Newspapers and Magazines are cool, but rare. The Pokedex is a primary source from the games. Notability is established with coverage in third party sources. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Define "Staff Articles". The reception they get is always infuriating. There's not much to say about Pokemon anyway. Half of them are under someone's list of ugly Pokemon, the others are someone's Pokemon of the Day. I don't see what's so notable about those. 2D Backfire Master talk, guestbook  12:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Staff articles, as in paid employees writing articles about Pokémon related things. Notability is established by having significant coverage in third party reliable sources. Reception is the most common form of this for video game characters. It is just how things are. It may seem like nobody cares what they think, but it gives the species access to become a full article, so don't question it. xP Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  They need their own articles 

message: Although there is only one, Heatran is not considered a legendary Pokémon by the games- It is allowed in all events and modes in the Battle Tower.74.69.251.170 (talk) 06:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. It has a legend with it, and its stats are also rather massive. That would be equivalent to saying ALL of the legendary trios aren't legendaries. And this talk page is to discuss the article, rather than the actual topic, BTW. 2D Maestro Immune Diplomat 11:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is article discussion, as I don't think it's considered legendary by the game or the players, and shouldn't be listed as one here.
*Does not have special fight music as all of the other legendaries in D/P do
*Again, is allowed at the battle tower, where all other D/P legendaries and previous generation legendaries are not
*High stats alone do not make a legendary, there are a handful of normal pokemon with stats that compete with actual legendaries
*Can be equally male or female, no other legendary can (that i'm aware of)
The only supporting argument for this is its inability to breed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.251.170 (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Heatran