Talk:Third Battle of the Hook

message: The artillery shell counts can't be verified as there aren't any references listed. Math for the listed U.N. numbers don't add up to the stated total.
RobNeal1 (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The shell count and much more are indeed verified by the source of much of this article, - the blow-by-blow contemporaneous account in the official War Diary published by the National Archives, London. Even the names of the wounded (some still alive) are listed, along with the nature of their wounds. The final DWR casualty listed was a regimental cook who broke an arm after falling into a trench in the darkness. It is the nature of an encyclopaedia article that it has to be presented in a summary format. Consequently, too many references can be a disadvantage, disrupting the article's readability, although these are inevitably subjective judgements on the editors part. There are sufficient references usually given to enable readers wishing to explore the topic in greater depth to do that. 5.70.185.69 (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Five years too late! If you know where the source comes from, please cite it. Using the Text template doesn't distract from the readability and that is exactly the kind of fact that people sometimes feel they have to overelaborate or guess. Providing the source helps a great deal! -- Brigade Piron (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It seems they were involved here but there is no reference and no mention. This what Turkish military history refers to as Vegas or Wegas battle, maybe it was a part of it. Anyone has any information? There is no mention of anything else but the British here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.103.149 (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Brigade 

message: I removed the citations to material held by the British National Archives, which has now been restored by . I thought it would be right to explain my objections here. Mr Harvey suggests that they "available for reading by anyone free of charge" so can stand but I argue they clearly breach WP:SOURCE, WP:RS and WP:OR
1) Even if "published" (there's a curious footnote to this effect on WP:SOURCE), they certainly don't constitute an impartial source akin to a published, academic book produced with studying of other primary material. They have no editorial oversight and, as the product of one side of a conflict, will inevitably have a skewed perspective in favour of one party. This is a significant issue more generally in Wiki coverage, especially the Korean War, and I know users like  have made significant efforts to combat it elsewhere.
2) As such, using this primary material (particularly on its own and when secondary works are so plentiful) constitutes WP:OR - rather than reporting the views expressed in WP:RS. It may pass on biases in the primary material (casualty figures is a case in point) which prejudice the quality of the article.
I'd be interested to hear the perspective of other users on this. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:43, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the argument of lopsidedness of using only British source, I see no justification of using original British National Archives document instead of Official British history on the Korean War by . Jim101 (talk) 10:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of archival references 

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message: I've moved this to "Third Battle of the Hook", as  there was more than one (and per the lead sentence here). The title Battle of the Hook should be a set index of all three (maybe even four) actions by that name. I trust everyone is OK with that Xyl 54 (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move