Talk:Khalid Sheikh Mohammed/Archive 1

message: It would be better if we could get pictures of him that didn't have "LOCATED" splashed across them, which seems a bit out of place in an encyclopedia.  Anyone know any sources? --Delirium 19:08, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
There is an older version of one of the pictures which didn't have the "Located" on them. WhisperToMe 07:28, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is said version? The "LOCATED" thing really sucks. Graft 21:38, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: I reverted this Image:Khalidmohammed.jpg to the older version. There's another one that still has a located. Yes, I know it really sucks. If someone can find a pic of him like that without the located, that would be great. WhisperToMe 02:21, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Can we have some info on why he hasn't been taken to court etc like other suspects?
I can't think of any sources to quote off the top of my head, but I believe his trial will be held after military intelligence has investigated all of his info ,so as not to compromise their operations and spook terrorists at-large. Roland Deschain 07:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Court

message: From the article: "He has also been known as the alias Michael Zbinladen the connection to the bin laden family is rooted in Iran." I removed this sentence as it is jumbled. Is there truth in this? Rmhermen 23:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ZbinLaden?

message: Mostly duplicated but storing here while I try to rework it: "The 9/11 Commission Report states that "By his own account, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel." The report also calls him a "terrorist entrepreneur" who — though he had engaged in planning terrorist attacks since his first such plot in 1994 — did not join al-Qaeda until late 1998 or early 1999. He also reportedly helped finance his nephew Ramzi Yousef's 1993 World Trade Center bombing and conspired with him to create the foiled Operation Bojinka plot. 
Recent word has surfaced that he was one of the head conspirators in a 2002 West Coast Plot to attack the U.S. Bank Tower, the tallest building in Los Angeles, this time taking recruits from al-Qaeda's Southeast Asian wing, Jemaah Islamiyah, to avoid suspicion." Kaisershatner 21:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: text from intro

message: I know that KSM was behind the kidnapping and murder of Daniel Pearl, but I keep hearing (and reading) from various sources that KSM himself wielded the knife and beheaded him.  This wouldn't be unprecedented, as al-Zarqawi certainly took gruesome relish in slowly sawing off the heads of hostages, but it seems odd that the mastermind of 9/11 would trouble himself with such a "minor" task.  Does anyone know if he personally participated in the kidnap/murder plot?
P.S.- Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not some loony conspiracy-nut; I'm just wondering if there's any info on his level of participation. Roland Deschain 07:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He personally admits to it.  You can find it in his tribunal hearing transcript at www.defenselink.mil. Kermitbuns 18:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personally killed Daniel Pearl? 

message: I've readded the "Party animal" picture; after all it is one of the most famous pictures of him.  Though I do agree that the image should be renamed... --Bletch 22:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capture pic 

message: According to a report which I found on the internet here : http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/09/1047144871928.html , the Americans are holding this man's sons.  Is this true ? Does anyone know anything about this ? Robert2957 14:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no doubt the article is true, but you have to read it carefully. According to the article, the CIA is holding Mohammed's sons (aged 7 and 9) for questioning, but is "handling them with kid gloves" (i.e. treating them well). There's nothing wrong with holding them for questioning. They are probably also telling Mohammed that if he does not cooperate, his sons will be hurt or killed. That's a questionable interrogation technique. I don't know if that's legal or not. But there's no indication that the CIA actually will hurt the children, or even that they will hold them indefinitely. If they end up holding the children indefinitely, then I'll be concerned. But I suspect they're just making empty threats to try to induce Mohammed to talk. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing wrong with holding kids for questioning for, what, three years now, solely because their father happens to be a terrorist? I dunno about you, but that seems EXTREMELY wrong, to me. The sins of the father are not visited to the seventh generation in any modern legal system that I know of. Keeping people locked up in a cell is hurting them, especially if they are kids. Graft 16:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was written 3 years ago, and reported that the children had been recently taken in for questioning. If they are still being held, then yes, that's a problem. I'd love to hear an update to this story. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This month a reporter asked the same question. The children are still in the US but officials will not comment on wether they are still in custody or not. I did a search after reading this and found an artical written after KSM's capture where the CIA said the children would be held until he broke. Wayne 05:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ali Khan's recent affidavit states that his son, Mohammed Khan, was told by the Pakistani guards where he was being held in 2003, that KSM's sons were being deprived of food and water, and were having ants and other creatures put on their body, to scare them into cooperating.  Geo Swan 18:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Have Your Sons 

message: I have seen many references to him being educated in the US. Does anyone know when or where? Agrimace 23:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in USA 

message: Heads up! BBC World reported about three minutes ago that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed has confessed to a multitude of murders, including plotting 9/11. Data should be hitting news websites within minutes. From what I can see, this might take quite a bit of work to integrate to the article properly. --Kizor 23:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I doubt him, but a confession isn't tantamount to guilt.  For all we know, he could be confessing to doing more than he really did in order to draw heat away from other guilty parties.  Just something to keep in mind.... Calbaer 00:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe he wanted to save his kids or maybe finally caved & told people what they wanted to hear after 3? years of torture. Who knows? I agree, when editing the article we have to remember that a confession isn't tantamount to guilt, especially in a case when the conditions leading up to the confession are in great doubt Nil Einne 16:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have the verbatim transcript of his tribunal hearing where he stated multiple times that while he'd be tortured in the past he was under absolutely no duress during this tribunal and he attests that everything he's saying is true.  I'd be happy to give it to anyone who wants a copy.  I think you can also find it at defenselink.mil.Kermitbuns 18:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's also possible that a false extraction was extracted by torture. There was a time when a confession given to the Americans could have been taken reasonably seriously, but now that the U.S. is run by advocates of torture, confessions announced by the Americans are on a par with those announced by tin-pot dictatorships. 82.18.125.110 14:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the transcript:  I find it seriously dubious. First of all that one man could possibly be responsible for all of what's listed, and second that it was a voluntary confession. Graft 15:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a though....if KSM is confessing to "planning, organising and financing" almost every terrorist attack for the last 15 years.....does that mean Osama bin Laden really is innocent? lmao Wayne 05:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohammed confesses 

message: I think a reference to Ron Jeremy should be made in the article; comments in the news have been made on the similarities of the picture of his arrest and Ron Jeremy.VincentG 02:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too subjective. Peter Grey 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron Jeremy 

message: In March 2007, at a Guantánamo Bay hearing, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, it was claimed by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal Hearing [2] in Guantanamo Bay, from which defense lawyers and media reporters were barred, that he confessed to masterminding the September 11th terrorist attacks, the Richard Reid shoe bombing attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and other attacks that were foiled.[2]
Any one to take on this sentence? My English is not too good so I am not editing it myself. Moreover, I couldn't understand what this means either.--Scheibenzahl 15:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made some changes to that sentence to try to make it a little clearer.  Hopefully, it helps clear up what was being said. SailorAlphaCentauri 16:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I turned the sentence around to remove the need for the passive tense which contributed to the confusion. Bazza 16:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar?

message: ...apologies to fans of My Chemical Romance ;)
I recall talk radio personality Alex Jones mentioning KSM as being *dead*, as reported by mainstream media at least 2 or 3 times over the past 5 years! Does anyone else recall this, and if so do you have any external site links that might back up that claim? Maybe I'm getting KSM's name mixed up with another alleged "mastermind" who had been targeted by the U.S. during the early months of the Iraq invasion... Looks like Jones' site has a recent mention of KSM here: www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/150307ultimatepatsy.htm --199.214.24.194 17:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead! 

message: Why is it that we see the same two recycled pictures of him in literally every form of media? Are there any more recent ones than just these two?
shzephyr07 22:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: "additionally known by as many as twenty-seven aliases[1]) "
Does this kind of statement need citations? I mean, this bit of information must have come from somewhere, I'd just be interested to know where. Thanks!
--203.10.224.60 23:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  27 Aliases 

message: "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (Arabic: خالد شيخ محمد; also transliterated as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, et al., and additionally known by as many as twenty-seven aliases[1]) (b. March 1, 1964, or April 14, 1965)"
"He joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age 75 and returned to Pakistan soon after, studied in the United States for several years, and left for Afghanistan in the 1950s where he and his brothers fought against the Soviet Union during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
209.99.30.179 13:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scrambled Dates? 

message: Born in 1965 ? - He looks like he is about 55 to 60 years old from photos
:Three years of toture will do that to anyone, my friend. Bigbrisco 21:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a recent picture of him?  Wait a second.  That picture was taken the day he was captured.  So I'm going to pull out my magic wand and conjure up a picture that shows his current face.  Now while on the subject, I've met people that either look too young or look too old even though their age did not reflect it.  ViriiK 03:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only other picture I'm aware of is this (scroll to the bottom).  Don't know when it taken. --Aude (talk) 03:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Age

message: I still can't get http://www.defenselink.mil/news/transcript_ISN10024.pdf or even find defenselink.mil. As this is the most important source on this article could some one please see if therte is a mirror available. Hypnosadist 08:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it has something to do with your country.  Anyways the BBC has a copy of the transcript here. .  Cheers.  ViriiK 10:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this, I live in the UK (wtf!). Do you think we should replace the defence.mil link with the BBC link in the article as it should be up perminently (as well as every where) with the beeb. Hypnosadist 12:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Still cant get the primary source for this article