Talk:List of satanic ritual abuse allegations

message: I don't even get why half these things are so arbitrarily called 'Satanic Ritual abuse" allegations. Many of them don't even claim any kind of Satanistic leanings. For one example, I loooked up the "Superior Universal Alignment" cult, they are a freaking UFO cult, not one with satanic elements. It's as if people just arbitarily label any cult that does harmful things "Satanic"{even if just 'alledged" to have done ritual murder/abuse}, when most of them don't even consider themselves satanists. This is why Satanists all over the world are so persecuted, because of even suppoedly even-handed secular articles and reports on 'alledged ritual abuse" allmost always terming it "satanic". This is absolutely absurd and unjust stupidity. To my understanding there is but ONE person that even called himself a Satanist or referanced any material from the Satanist religion/philosophy whom has done any real harm, that was Richard Ramirez{The Night Stalker serial killer}. So why does this bullshit persists even today?--Iconoclastithon (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not what they are, but what they are perceived as. And Christian interpretation is basically the law. There are Christians who think that virtually all of Hollywood is a satanic cult. The absurdity is "Satanic ritual abuse" and the fact that there is an acronym for it. The absurdity is the existence of Christians. And the biggest absurdity of all is that those people call themselves civilized. They are primitive, crude and barbaric. Telling is that these things are mostly found in lesser secularized nations, like South Africa, USA and the British islands, and not in highly secularized nations like Sweden and Japan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 (talk) 19:24, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Its my supposition that ritual abuse is a method used by abusers to strengthen the loyalty between the abusers, to establish a justification for continued and regular abuse in some cases, and also to further ensure the domination of the victim by the abusing group.Merxa (talk) 06:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree, you are 100% right.SRA IS VERY REAL. 2001:FB1:10B:C9B7:686D:F981:8FF1:7CC2 (talk) 02:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: LIES

message: Contents of the page have momentarily been pasted from satanic ritual abuse, which is currently protected from editing.  Please see Talk:Satanic ritual abuse#Spin-out news clippings for a discussion.  A list of notable events, particularly a lengthy one, is more appropriate as a separate 'list of' article than keeping the same list in the main body.  Contents are identical to the extant page, barring the paste of some old information.  WLU (talk) 17:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prod

message: I have added some refs to the article on Australia and Belgium. ResearchEditor (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  added refs 

message: New info for the Hosanna investigation ; trial is to start this month apparently.  WLU (talk) 16:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New info 

message: The previous section is quite messy.  Let's start a new one.  Who thinks the Netherlands issue is sufficiently lengthy to be spun out to a new article?  I for one do not - the new page would be stubby and there's not a whole lot there that is unique enough to not be covered here.  The only extra feature I can see is that it was reported in peer-reviewed journals, but aside from that it's ultimately not a lengthy page and given satanic ritual abuse's status as a historical moral panic, it's unlikely to have any new information added.  WLU (talk) 21:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Netherlands redux 

message: Yes put your head in the sand like an ostrich. More and more I get the idea that Wikipedia is not a serious encyclopedia with scientifically based articles, but a kindergarten or even worse a mental institution. It is very sad that laymen can destroy serious contributions in Wikipedia. Contributors like WLU seem to think that they own articles and that they can undo scientifically based contributions, which do not fit their own point of view or which they not seem to comprehend. Well, they are wrong! Criminologist1963 (talk) 11:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you believe there is a serious problem with how wikipedia is run, you should bring this up at the venues available.  They include the administrator's noticeboard, the village pump, and the policies and guidelines pages.  There are several criticisms of wikipedia's perceived failures, you can read and discuss them at WP:FAIL and it's associated talk page. DO NOT DISRUPT WIKIPEDIA TO MAKE YOUR POINT.  If you believe there is a serious problem with wikipedia, do not seek to correct it here by edit warring.  If you are just pushing to get your version on wikipedia, and will not tolerate alternatives, go somewhere else because wikipedia is NOT the place for you.  Seek consensus on talk pages, based on the policies and guidelines rather than spurious objections not based on policies.  There is absolutely no reason to continuously recreate a content fork.  There is no reason to revert to a flawed version.  There is no reason to completely avoid reading and referring to the policies and guidelines.  You give every indication of being a single-purpose account dedicated to getting one, and only one version of the contents on to wikipedia.  This is inappropriate and suggests that wikipedia is NOT the venue for you.  WLU (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

text: That is not a valid argument, and if that's the basis for your edits, you are essentially committing vandalism, as you are deliberately worsening wikipedia to make a point.  Hence, your next unjustified edit will be reported as vandalism.  WLU (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:POINT 

message: Can the tags be removed from the Netherlands section?  Any objections?  WLU (t) (c) (rules - simple rules) 15:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 3 days is forever in wikitime.  Removing.  WLU (t) (c) (rules - simple rules) 16:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags 

message: Why is it that this article claims evidence was found of SRA, when Prosecutor Freitas was the only one who claimed there was, despite the FBI -- according to all offered sources -- NOT finding evidence of pentagrams, animal blood, et cetera?
Talk about misinformation.. 12.96.43.96 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hosanna Church Case 

message: A few years ago I read in Swedish Metro about a Satanic murder in Moscow in which a group of Satanic teenagers killed and cannibalised a number of other teenagers, one of which was stabbed 666 times as part of a ritual. I don't remember the details. Does anybody else have any memory of hearing about this?
Najhoant (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanic murder in Russia 

message: (from Talk:Satanic ritual abuse in The Netherlands, now a redirect WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 14:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But that needs to be verifiably proven, and demonstrated to be the point of view of the fast majority of sources. Also, if it's original research not published somewhere reputable before, we can't include it. Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia and congratulations on your very first edit. <eleland/talkedits> 12:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compliments 

message: (merged from Talk:Satanic ritual abuse in the Netherlands WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 14:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged it to the list of satanic ritual abuse allegations#The Netherlands, and there's a discussion here.  I'm thinking of redirecting this page to that section since it was empty to start.  WLU (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But I'm still concerned about the complaint in main SRA article that that article is provincial (USA, etc). Couldn't we use some of the material here in that article in order to remove the tag? —Cesar Tort 18:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, but the sources are for the most part in Dutch, which presents a problem.  I've added a bit more info on the British interest, but only because I turned it up last night while digging through Intimate Enemies.  If we could get our hands on Puntam, 1991, that apparently focusses on the Netherlands incident; were we careful we could simply import text and sources from the list page.  The issue is linking the incidents together without engaging in a synthesis and avoiding undue weight or emphasis on one section.  Ultimately the Netherlands incident seems rather minor, but perhaps only because I'm reading mostly English sources.  There's bits in my books but not much that's substantial on cursory review.  We can't give all incidents the same weight or too much weight overall to the section.  If you've an idea, I say go ahead.  WLU (talk) 19:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am basically concerned to remove the f— tag in SRA article. And BTW, I added dozens of sources in Spanish in the article on Aztec human sacrifice. —Cesar Tort 20:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Criminologist1963: see my recent post in this discussion. I already left a note in your talk. —Cesar Tort 02:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Editors note generalized discussion affecting all ritual abuse cases, at Talk:Satanic_ritual_abuse#Rename_discussion. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 14:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename discussion for all ritual abuse cases 

message: This seems to be inverted in sense, but is a direct quote from the report !
Report in GoogleBooks
Better to remove it altogether ?
The only way I can make sense of it is that "the first judgement was unfortunate, so it is consequently unfortunate that action had to be taken to get it dismissed". At the moment, it seems as though the report is supporting the first judgement !
Isaiah 5:20   "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil"
It is unfortunate that very often when English is unclear, ambiguous or misunderstood, the meaning becomes diametrically opposite ! Is that a named feature in linguistics ?
--195.137.93.171 (talk) 09:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orkney - the dismissal of the first judgment as "most unfortunate" 

message: At what point will we add the Mohler case?  One disturbing aspect is the extradition from Florida of one of the accused.  Ritual murder is one allegation made in the media but not being prosecuted by the state.
Jared Mohler - one web item reports trial date now moved a third time into Feb 2012
per http://www.kmbc.com/news/27587051/detail.html
Darrel (of Sweet Springs FL) and Burrell have tentative Oct 2011 dates in Lexington MO.
For the protection of the civil rights of the accused, would federal authority be able to move the trials to another state?
Question: have any of the accused sons of the patriarch had deviant behavior convictions subsequent to the alleged 1980's events?
G. Robert Shiplett 13:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohler multiple prepetrator case 

message: The UK section appeared biased in that it included several false allegations and none of the cases where people were convicted based on significant corroborative evidence. There are others too (Ealing 1993- the "devil church"; 4 in one extended family found guilty; Pembroke 1994- six men guilty, doubt cast on one or two of the convictions later)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.23.222 (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No sources and these aren't necessarily "satanic ritual abuse" in the way the term is used on wikipedia.  Removed.  WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 18:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added three convicted cases for Uk 

message: The lower court in Satakunta, Finland has just convicted Anneli Auer and her "boyfriend" to 7 and 10 years in prison for something that seems to be satanic ritual abuse. (See :fi:Ulvilan surma) Unfortunately all the court proceedings are secret for the next 60 years. The police also claim that she murdered her husband because of "satanic" motives, but the Finnish courts disagreed.
* Source: Anneli Auer sentenced to 7 years for sex crimes
-- Petri Krohn (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd say that doesn't qualify it for this article, then. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 13:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Having read more on the subject, there are several experts who argue in that this is a case of satanic ritual abuse as described in the article, i.e. a witch hunt. We would need reliable sources for the opinions though. Will look. Naturally we will never know what Really happened. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 04:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New case in Finland? 

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message: Wow! Under "Canada", there is utterly no mention of the Prescott case or the Cornwall sex ring case. These were SRA allegations that went on forever; one was even mentioned in the House of Commons! http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_presc.htm I have no time to add this now, as there are so many sources; anyone else want to check it out? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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