Talk:Ruse de guerre

message: Isn't there a tradition of routinely shooting spies, because they were fighting out of uniform?  Wouldn't this suggest that spying is not recognized as a legitimate ruse de guerre?
That gets into what you imply by saying "legitimate". Although spies face execution, it is an ancient, established practice of war, and all parties know their need (and duty) to defend against it. Many parties would simply consider spying to be a tactic that risks grave consequences, but is nonetheless legitimate. The very fact that governments typically shoot (foreign) spies instead of hanging them testifies to this. In that sense, it differs from attacking under the guise of a Red Cross vehicle, because in that case, combatants have a moral obligation to NOT attack such vehicles, but rather to offer safe passage. 65.77.101.63 00:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  summary execution of spies? 

message: "A Ruse de Guerre (trick of war) is a deliberate attempt to fool the enemy in wartime, for instance by making mock aeroplanes or tanks from wood in order to pretend you had more than you actually had."http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_or_is_Ruse_de_Guerre 
and
"The fatal duel between the Duke of Hamilton and Lord Mohun is well known.  McCartney, the second to Lord Mohun, was suspected of having stabbed treacherously the Duke; a reward was offered for having apprehended him.  About that time a gentleman was set upon by highwaymen, and with a happy presence of mind he told them he was McCartney.  On this they brought him to a justice of the peace in hopes of the reward, when he gave charge against them for the robbery, and they were sent to jail." 
and
"A ruse de guerre is a military trick, such as disguising a warship to appear to be a neutral merchant vessel, as the Germans did with their armed merchant cruisers during World War II. Germany's Pocket battleships also took steps to disguise their appearance.
This kind of naval deception was more common during 18th and 19th century. It was generally considered acceptable to sail under false colors, provided the belligerent lowered the false colors and raised the flag of their own nation, prior to firing their guns."
and
French wiki "Ruse de Guerre"[]
Pohick2 (talk) 23:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikianswers? 

message: Several places in this article there are assertions governing what would constitute a ruse of war based on certain practices being against the rules, however the article does not make clear whose rules these are (genever convention? US Army?) and really needs to do so as it is not clear that such rules are always observed or indeed should be in anything more than a legal sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.35.20 (talk) 09:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Geneva Conventions are the main implied source. However, most of the examples are from before those conventions were created. Nine years later your concern remains valid. --Aecur (talk) 04:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking Rules 

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thread_title:  Possible copyright problem 

message: It is stated that when the Allied forces flew German colors in Normandy this was part of a legitimate ruse. However, earlier in the text it says that use of enemy military insignia is not permitted under international rules of war.
At the time, the Hague Convention was already in force, so this ruse was likely illegitimate in WW2. It is certainly illegitimate now.
I'm not sure enough to make the change myself, but there is objectively an inconsistency in the text.
Aecur (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 16:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Aecur Quite often, a WP-talkpage can have few watchers, and comments like these can go unnoticed. If you want, you can in cases like these check for Wikiprojects at the top of the talkpage, and ask for input at their talkpages. None may bite but the hooks are cheap. Some Wikiprojects are more or less abandonded, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history is not one of those. Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying German colors in Normandy 

message: The article Ruse de guerre says Lusitania flew an American flag without specifying when or giving a reference. The article RMS Lusitania makes no mention of American flags. These two articles need to be reconciled. Reports at the time were coloured by politics but modern assessments should be able to clarify it. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that it has been referenced here since it was first added in 2008.Davidships (talk) 19:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  American flag     Ruse de guerre   Lusitania