Talk:Four-minute mile

message: Though I think it's a nice topic, this text may need some editing. With over 800 people having broken 4 minutes (http://w1.196.telia.com/~u19603668/atb-m07.htm) one is not really considered a great miler anymore - maybe for the amateur runner. Jeronimo
800 out of 6600 million is still "great."  That is about 8 out of a million! NoraTes (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Has a women ever run a 4 minute mile? If so, who was the first woman to do so?--66.56.42.131 01:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed it all together because there's no real sources cited. --Liface 15:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Women and miles

message: The article says: "... previously thought to be impossible 4 minute mile ...".  Who thought it was impossible?  Was this the general concensus before 1954?  Of track athletes?  Of sports medicine physicians?
I find it somewhat hard to believe that *everybody* thought it was impossible, given that the World_record_progression_for_the_mile_run had been dropping fairly regularly for 100 years, and that two Swedes had run within 5 seconds of it multiple times, 10 years before.  (And if not *everybody*, then who?)
::See the Roger Bannister entry and associated discussion page for the "impossible" four-minute mile myth.  And, more accurately, the "two Swedes" (Hagg and Andersson) didn't just run within 5 seconds of the four-minute mile -  they decreased the world record 5 seconds, from 4:06.4 to 4:01.4 in a series of head-to-head races during 1943-45.  Thus, no informed observer would have thought it impossible to decrease the record by another 1.4 seconds.  137.82.188.68 06:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For anybody that follows high school track, it is easy to see why people had a hard time believing the 4 minute barrier could be broken. Not since Alan Webb broke the barrier, has any high school student broken the 4 minute barrier (before Webb, nobody went sub 4 since 1967). Steve Magness and Galen Rupp ran many 4:00-4:01 minute miles in their high school career, but never actually going under 4. The reason why I use high school athletes as an example is because their bodies are not as mature as full adults so they become at a disadvantage. However, high school athletes today do have some advantages. In the 1950's, athletes were running on cinder tracks as opposed to a mondo surface. From [Robert Cohen's website], "Virtually all records in track and field today are set on Mondo tracks. Mondo tracks are faster because they return more energy to the athlete than any other track surface, but are soft enough to train on every day." In addition to the track surface, shoes (lighter shoes, flats) and training programs (Lindgren, Salzaar, etc. have had serious upgrades. Sharpdust 23:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impossible? 

message: I recall a race - 1970s is my guess - in which at least five runners got home in less than four minutes.  The distance is less often run these days - 1500 m is much more common - so I wonder if this is still a record for multiple four minuters.  My (fallible) memory tells me that Marty Liquori was one of them.  If anyone has a recollection or a reference, this would be worth including in the piece.Cross Reference (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple runners under four minutes in one race

message: It seems inappropriate that the start of this article devotes so much time to wild speculation about a 3 minute mile. This appears ludicrous to anyone with knowledge of the rate at which athletics records have improved over the last 50 years, and the slowing of this rate over that period. 82.17.206.121 12:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: so.... ??! I only half get the point to do with the 400m runner being completely out of breath at the end (using up all the muscle's anaerobic capacity) as that is the same as a mile runner, he uses all of his up too etc.... Mathmo Talk 09:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wild speculation 

message: The following section was added last month by User:Beshkno, but was recently deleted without comment.  Though I'm not convinced it's "official", the incident does seem to be well covered by reliable sources   .  Any thoughts on mentioning it in the article, maybe without demoting Bannister to "second"?
:In 1876, in the service of the U.S. Army Big Hawk Chief (Pawnee) ran a mile in under four minutes. Near the town of Sidney, Nebraska at the army barracks, Luther North, the commander of the scouts, and Hugh Bean, a citizen of Sidney, used a steel tape to measure out a half-mile track. Two army officers with stopwatches timed the mile race. Big Hawk Chief crossed the finish line in 3 minutes and 58 seconds. [National Museum of the American Indian magazine, Fall 2004]
Deleted without comment..hm..."The incident does seem to be well covered by reliable sources," then why not include it in the entry?  Does someone object to the fact that a non-white person will be promoted to "first?"  Thought that the whole point of this project was to supply truth and facts, not filtered through someone Anglophilic perception. Beshkno 17:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone's still interested, it's not a racial thing at all.  The fact is that running historians have credited Banister with the first sub-four minute mile.  The article mentions Ken Wood without changing Roger's status; we can do the same with Big Hawk Chief.  When I get more time, I can work on it, or someone else can. --Spiffy sperry 05:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a look at the "reliable sources" and there is no indication that this is anything more than simply an old anecdote being repeated. There are NUMEROUS claims as to fantastic feats by many runners, but one has to ask: Why once governing bodies like the IAAF in place were some of the more fantastic claims not accomplished? There are, undeniably, great Indian runners - like Tom Longboat who ran out of my gym in Toronto and 100 years this April ran a time at the Boston Marathon which was not truly exceeded for many years (though the race distance changed) - but extraordinary claims (which 3:58 in 1876 would be) require extraordinary evidence. And in this case it would be near impossible to get that. Besides, as I earlier indicated, a time run on a 800 m track would NOT be recognized as a "record" even if the claimed time and distance was accurate. Canada Jack 16:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Hawk Chief

message: I removed the addition of the first American to break the four-minute mile. If we add him, we are going to have to add an entry for the first Canadian/Kazakh/Antarctican etc etc who did as well. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 22:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First American, et al 

message: The intro to this article says the 4 min mile "is now the standard of all professional middle distance runners" and then "remains the standard by which all male amateur milers are measured". Is these two claims contradictory, or not? To whom exactly does this "standard" apply?  Hult041956 (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the line between professional and amateur has been very blurred for years and years, less so now and than say 20 years ago. But still, that could be where a large proportion of the confusion could be coming from. Mathmo Talk 09:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose "standard" is it? 

message: :"Finally, Daniel Komen of Kenya holds the world 2-mile record of 7:58.61, set in 1997, which is two sub-4 minute miles back-to-back."
This is only true if Komen completed the first half in less than 4:00 but more than 3:58.61.  If the first mile was completed in less than 3:58.61, then the second mile cannot have been under four minutes.  Note that Komen ran a 3:46.38 mile about a month after the two mile race.  —Ryan (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This site reports the splits at 3:59.2 and 3:59.4. Trackinfo (talk) 09:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2mi in 8 min ≠ 1mi in 4 min, twice 

message: It would be nice to expand this article with some stuff about the former "mystique" of the 4-minute barrier and how big a deal it was when it was broken...there's a lot of info about that in books such as Neal Bascomb's The Perfect Mile.  I don't have it handy, but maybe someday I can try to add some stuff to this article. Politizer talk/contribs 16:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I came to this page looking for information about the psychological/metaphysical implications of the four minute mile phenomenon. The fact that nobody was able to break the record... but then suddenly many people were able to - that's really freaking weird, and is one of the main things that the four minute mile is known for and associated with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.129.34 (talk) 05:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: Why isn't this famous image of Bannister's first sub-4 used in the article? Getty Images should still hold the copyright, but I'm sure we can make a valid fair-use claim. It could probably also go in Roger Bannister as well. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: "One of the few American elite runners was Bay to Breakers rookie Scotty Bauhs, a Danville native who holds the world record for the youngest person ever to run a mile in less than four minutes and a 10,000-meter race in less than 28 minutes." Location (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Item for future reference

message: Before the Four minute mile was actually broken, It should be noted who were expected to break it, in addition to the actual initial record.
Louis Zamperini, for example, was expected to break it before his service in WWII.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.249.227.181 (talk) 17:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre Breakage 

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