Talk:Chess Pieces (MÄR)

message: Recently I found sentences in Ian's section of the article talking about how many think that he is (quote, unquote) "HOTTT!" while some diss his looks. I also found a sentence in Gido's section saying how some wish she'd fall off a cliff onto very pointy rocks (which is disturbingly mean). People, this article isn't about your opinions of each of the Chess Pieces. Keep it relevant and informative.
:I'll have some words with that contributor and try to talk some sense into his apparently thick skull. If it's to be recurred, perhaps one simple blocking will do the trick. Profet 666 04:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ian & Gido

message: Isn't Phantom Glass, Phantom's ÄRM, supposed to be a Darkness ÄRM? Mmm122 22:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Phantom Glass

message: Is it true that the Knight of the Chess Pieces Vidar is called "Mr. Weasel" in the English dub? I don't remember him ever being called that, & the name sounds silly, but for people to keep putting him down under that name, I'm beginning to wonder if there's some truth to it.
:That's what it says in my manga. - The Norse 22:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr. Weasel?!

message: Are the Ghost Chess from the filler arc of the anime the same as the Zonnen? If not, then I feel they should be noted here.
72.68.56.138 03:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ghost Chess

message: :From User talk:Sandstein
Hello, I'd like permission to remove your notability tag from Chess Pieces (MÄR) on the grounds that it's just another "List of Characters" article identicle to the ones most other articles on fictional stories have. Is this okay? - The Norse 22:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. You don't need my permission, but that's not a convincing argument. Why, specifically, is this fictional organisation notable, i.e., what reliable substantial third-party coverage does it have? Also, the WP:A problems are the more serious ones. Sandstein 23:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chess Pieces article notability 

message: i've edited the name 'Magical Rou' back to 'Magical Lou', for i find the second translation makes better sense than the first, taking into account this character is a clown. See the article Lou Jacobs for more information. 
And the translation for the name of that Knight, Vidar, or Pizel as someone recently put it. I've consulted the Japanese official site for the hiragana translation, and it literally pronounces Uizaru. For this kind of name both translations make sense, but i'd still like to put it 'Vidar', for the mythological association with Yggdrasil (although they weren't by any means connected). As for questions about the bird Guardian name, i've checked the same source and found that it literally pronounces Buriideinbado so i've changed in into 'Wooden Bird'. If you find that incorrect, please correct it, since my translation skill is just above average. 
Profet 666 05:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations 

message: I see that you've added some images into the article, and may I ask, have you really read my notes on the episode list article ? If you haven't, it was clearly stated that I won't approve of anyone using any images I upload without asking me first. If you have, then don't do that again. This is for my sake and for yours.
As for questions as to why I don't upload other images for more character, it's as simple as this: I don't think it neccessary. You've already had all images you need for the major characters, why would you need more for minor ones, such as the Rooks and Bishops and all ? Those you add image for were dismally minor ones, at that. 222.254.30.9 08:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, that tag is confusing. On one hand it say it's for use on the English Language Wikipedia but on the other it says it could be copyright infringement to do so. Let's just go with the former, seeing as how I've seen the same picture used in multiple articles before.
Anyhow, I'm just going by the logic that since we already have the pictures, there's not much point in not using them. Pano's section is big enough so that a picture won't be too obstructive to things around it, plus her role isn't much smaller than Chaton's. I think you can reduce the size of images if need be anyway. - The Norse 04:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: k, the article's image amount is about perfect right now so there's not much point arguing anymore. Maybe I should ask an admin or something about this image/copyright business for clarity though. - The Norse 18:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Those sections one just added into the article regarding characters not shown in the anime series, please don't go re-add them until you can state the resources for your contributions. 
Personally speaking, I think we should discuss further on this before you add them in. The Knights section clearly states that there're only 13 Knights, and you adding some more in might cause confusion. Is this really that big a news to add in ?
And Kannochi is a Bishop, it's stated in both versions so (I'm not sure of the anime though, will go check on it). Don't reduce his rank again. 
Please quit making comments like "Foolishly, he doesn't carry a weapon blah blah blah..." (Maira's section). Do you even take it to your heart that Wikipedia's an online ENCYCLOPEDIA ? I hope we won't return to this topic again, just you would remember how they write encyclopedias. Profet 666 10:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editions 

message: 1. I object to the ÄRM sections in the Bishop downward sections. Didn't we once agree on the main article's discussion that there's practically no need for trivia characters' ÄRM ? It's taking up space, so I delete it. 
2. I will make a seperate article for the Zonnen after all these exams are over. Now it just appeared to me how it blemishes the article to miss an article on them. 
3. This is in case you spare no eyes on the Images section. What's with changing Chaton's picture back to her episode picture ? This looks to me like the work of some ignoble self-claimed Wikipedians who can't wikify a honest day's work in their pitiable lives anyway, so I will overlook it this time. But dear diligent Wikipedians, together we should see to it that this dishonorable vandalism will not muddle the article again. For I have fits anytime I witness this.... I mean, well, don't you ?
(and I'm gonna be into hell fire next week, the examinations will start that time. Not sure if I can stay on watch 24/7)
Profet 666 10:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SPECIAL NOTICE

message: Anyone has any idea as to the origin of King's gigantic blade ? I've tried every sources I can muster, but to no avail. Certain types of sword were forged in that shape's similarity (the spiked blade, to be exact), but it looks to me like the sword has a direct reference. 222.254.30.16 08:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: King's ÃRM

message: What about Girom? He plays a more important role than Kouga and Pinnochion did and they have pictures. I have to give their Knighthood credit for it, though, but if they weren't Knights they'd be complete Trivia Characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk • contribs) 20:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: You probably haven't watched or read the translated versions of Halloween and Alan's battle. As revealed in Volume 13 (out in English now) some of the abilities you listed under Flame Hand are actually different ÄRM, so I fixed it. And the explosive Pumpkin one would be a Guardian ÄRM because it summons these creatures, not flying Jackolanterns. Artsit Formerly Known As Whocares 15:57 (Eastern Standard Time), 19 May, 2007
:Ah, yeah... always knew somehow it would come to this. I've watched the scans, but there were so many to it so yeah, just leave it hoping someone else would fix it. Also I figured some of that 'ÄRMs' you mentioned could actually be just be other functions of the ones listed there. 
and your edit summary. Don't you mean 'translated akts' ? As far as I'm concerned, the English subs only has 54 eps til now. 
Next time, please add the ÄRM name in a better order. Didn't I once suggest that ? Profet 666 02:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halloween's ÄRMs 

message: I disagree with the statement "Kouga is one of the Knights not having their histories explained to a certain extent". As far as I'm concerned, only Phantom, Halloween, Rolan and Chimera have good backgrounds. The remaining Knights, either not having a solid background at all (Ash - loving children hardly counts, Vidar - this goes without saying, Ian - does his love interest have anything to do with this ?, Pinocchio  and Peta - that time with Phantom doesn't count), or having very little explained (Rapunzel, Kouga, Lou, Candice). Kouga's case is nothing so significant you have to specifically state that for him. And mind you, in the anime he DOES have a background (though little explained). Seems like he was bullied as a kid because of his terrible looks or something) Profet 666 03:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kouga

message: Let this page stay, it's a good info about the show's antagonists. Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 7:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep from deletion

message: On which basis did you adopt this kind of ranking ? I can understand the 6 strongest Knights, but what about other Knights ? Profet 666 02:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Knight ranks

message: Ummm, doesn't it seem that 21 images is a bit too many for an article that's techniqually a sub-page, or even a regular article? Especially if they are non-free images. Mabye we should lower the number of images we have on this article. My  proposal is:
;Definite Keep:
*Emblem
*Diana
*Peta
*Halloween
*Rolan
*Ian
*Loco
;Discuss:
*King
*Chimera
*Galian
*Ash
*Candice
*Rapunzel
*Chaton
*Pano
;Aren't very needed:
*Phantom (better place being article)
*Vidar/Weasel
*Magical Lou
*Pinnochio
*Kouga
*Gido
Either way, it would be a very good idea shortening our image usage. A few of the admins and someone who isn't one have been going around the anime articles removing large numbers of images, as can be seen with the Naruto articles (one article was put up for deletion because of the image problems). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images (Again) 

message: Okay fine, if we can't include images anywhere besides their articles, then I'll make ones for Diana, Ian, Halloween, Peta, Chimera, Ash, Rolan, and Loco, and mabye Candice, as they would be above stub. Only them, however, the rest would have to deal with being image-less, with a slight possible exception from King. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Profet 666 06:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll plan on going in this order: Loco (mainly because she's my favorite character and the only important one below Knight), Chimera, Ian, Diana, Halloween, Peta, Ash, Candice, and Rolan. While I'm not on, (My parents feel they need to "limit" my computer time -_-) can someone please continue the pattern? I'll usually be on after today from about right now for two hours. Also, any names crossed out means they have had their articles made, so please cross out the character should the page exist. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh joy, a ton of spinoff articles just for the sake of images. I'll give them two months tops before they're merged back into this article citing the same reasons the Pokemon and Naruto character articles were haphazardly crammed together. - The Norse 00:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. I don't know about Naruto or Pokemon (though I do admit my discontent with merging an article the calibre of Itachi Uchiha), but within the limit of this series, those named Chess deserve their own articles - each of them plays a prominent role in at least 2 arcs of the series's 4 major akts: pre-WG, WG, Ghost Chess akt and King akt (not very much sure about Chimera however, but we can't mould her background & development into a tiny section without desecrating our own pride as editors). 
If the articles are to be eventually merged regardless, well, that's because some anonymous nitwits deem them minor beside the main characters (who insistently act through 4 whole akts as main characters ever do). Either way, regret for something we did is better than regret for something we didn't do. Profet 666 06:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fine 

message: This is really getting out of line, the constant changing of his name all over the article. We should just vote to see what name we should use for him. I vote Vizard. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 14:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my friend's Viz-translated manga, the name is Vizel. Profet 666 10:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mine was "Weasel", actually. Mine was also from VIZ. Vizard, however, fits him more perfectly and is apparently the Japanese name, but due to how hard translating the languages into the other could end with some mistranslations. On a side note, they probably changed his name because of religious references, like Halloween's cross. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever then, edit the names as you see fit. Profet 666 06:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viard/Pizel/whatever's name 

message: Great. I just checked the Konami site for MAR games and I found out the official name of Rolan is apparently Lauren. No see that ?  and click on the Rolan icon, then move your eyes up to the URL link. OMG Anzai really pwned me with this. 
Now I hope someone out there would translate the MAR Fanbook, Akt Silver/ 
Profet 666 14:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess I will leave these in the character section then. Profet 666 00:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cheacked my copies of the English manga, it's Rolan. Even in the English version the manga is more canon than the anime or video games. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Names again

message: it redirected at this article but, the they haven't this. there is no infos--Hanmac  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.61.76.19 (talk) 17:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When one of my edits was reverted, the merges were gone alongwith it, actually. Sorry about it. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinocchio (MÄR)

message: I'm currently working on the Chimera article and will edit a better one over it in a few days' time. As was the Peta article this one will also be tagged with both her masked picture and unmasked picture. Along with the masked picture, I think I will upload her Eileen pic also; do you like a sucky looking one but with both Marco and Eileen in it or a good looking one but only Eileen in it ? To cram on Wiki another non-free product just for the sake of the article's looks is against my morals, but a past image won't hurt so I want to give her one; and if I'm gonna give her one I want it both gorgeous and informative. I couldn't make up my mind however, so I'm asking for your opinions. Profet 666 12:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess I'm stuck too. There's only one thing to do! (pulls out of hat the one I'll choose) Do the one with only Eileen. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 23:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Beauty FTW! Roger. Profet 666 06:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should also work on the articles for Ian, Rolan, Loco, Team MAR, Phantom, Diana, Caldia's Orb (rennamed article, BTW), and the others. Nanashi should be done last, as, outside of references, his is fine enough already. Also, we should shorten plot like Chimera and Nanashi's articles do (I made Nanashi's long because he is in obht series), and I've already started to do Phantom and the Orb. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 22:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chimera's picture

message: the article has some confusing double talk so i was wondering, when the anime ended did all chess pieces get revived? also is the revival only in the anime or is it in the manga too.
Supremecouncil  —Preceding comment was added at 16:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: quick question for those who've watched the whole anime

message: Okay it's like this: in the Chess Pieces and War Games article we have Vidar for the 6th strongest Knight and Magical Lou for the 8th strongest Knight. However in the ÄRM and Manga article instead of their names we consistently have Vizel and Magical Roe, and most amusingly in the Episode article we have Vizel and Magical Lou altogether. I propse we decide on one consistent version for each already, so I can outright revert any outrageously discrepant change from now on. Unless we can ascertain the original version, that is.
I advocate Vizel and Magical Roe. I know I supported Vidar and Magical Lou before, but it appears to me people are more acquainted to the two former. And I'd also like to change Girom into Gillom(e). This, like Lauren - see this for more information, is apparently the original name but unlike the uncommon Lauren, I think we can edit it without any specific concern. After all, Girom was practically as debatable as Vidar/Magical Lou (I myself have seen versions like Girome, Giromu, etc.). Profet 666 09:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say Weasel, Magical Roe, and Girom, the official English manga translations. As there are only a few names which are directly Japanese (Ginta and Nanashi being the most obvious), it is very difficult to translate them. As such, let's just follow what VIZ says. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I prefer Gillom, but since you said that.. well. Perhaps I will just have to add a note in his secion. 
And also I would like to have a word with you about one of your latest editions. 
All Chess Pieces above the rank of Pawn, with the exception of the King, are given earrings to signify their rank. These earrings of the Chess Pieces are actually Dimension ÄRMs that allow them to communicate with other Chess Pieces. "MÄR" manga volume 4, chapter 38, page 14 The Cross Guard uses the same method.
Did I not specify, just a few lines above, that 
Chess members from Rook ranks upward is permitted the possession of class earrings, individual masks, and/or hooded robes
so except for the Dimension earrring part, your edition practically serves no purpose. And what's with "with the exception of the King" ? Every random note made about the Chess' hierarchy operation specifies only "Only Rook class upward is allowed earrings" - there was never anything about "King class is exempted from earrrings". That was just his whim, and since when is one's personal whim allowed into a general code ? Just add it to his article. Profet 666 01:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's get this over with

message: I have recently merged Ash, the Zonnen, and the Ghost Chess, and removed the unmentionable character from the page. We should list them only in the wikia. Other merges could happen to others. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges