MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist/Archives/2007/12

message: I understand why most blogs are blacklisted, but certain bands use it to provide information. Gorgoroth have stated something, and it was rightfully sourced here, but  with the link up, it is now impossible to edit the page (I'm not sure how they got it up to begin with) without removing a correct source. The link is http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=99208641&blogID=324636534 ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 23:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as editing is concerned you can always make it "unclickable" for now.  Are there no other option for citing?  Thanks --Herby talk thyme 09:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aparrently not. Thanks anyway. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 01:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link works - thanks! ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 10:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A particular MySpace blog

message: Needed as a source for African American culture and Black Nativity at wikipedia. futurebird 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like some more info on this.  What pages are involved, what is needed to be cited, what makes this a reliable source?  Thanks --Herby talk thyme 13:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I've  it (the page you wanted (but if you feel the article needs more come back).  The blacklisting is a Meta level one for suite101.com itself with the request here, cheers --Herby talk thyme 15:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: african-american-playwrights.suite101.com

message: I'd like to be able to reference DecembeRadio's MySpace blog, as it is a primary news source posted directly by the band.  It seems that should qualify for the whitelist. The URL is: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=14481114 —Zeagler 21:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us more idea of why this link is necessary?  Are there alternatives, is it a reliable source etc, thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything in the "Recent" section of the page was gleaned from their blog.  At this point in the band's career, it's one of the only sources for details of their goings-on, and I believe it meets the criteria for WP:SELFPUB. —Zeagler (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No, thank you. :) —Zeagler (talk) 18:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DecembeRadio MySpace blog

message: I've created the article South Coast Trunk Road and feel it would be useful to add a link to hometown.aol.co.uk/hamcopublishing/southcoast.html There seems to be nothing objectionable in this particular web page. --rossb 14:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is whether this link adds to teh encyclopedic content of Wikipedia rather than whether there is nothing objectionable on the site.  Is it necessary for citation and does it meet reliability standards?  Cheers --Herby talk thyme 08:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: thanks for the response &  --Herby talk thyme 13:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: South Coast Trunk Road

message: I need to add www.aceshowbiz.com as a reference but it's blocked. Anthonyd3ca 07:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like for aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jonas_brothers/biography.html and aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jonas_brothers/biography_2.html to be whitelisted for the article Jonas Brothers.  My request to remove this domain from the Meta-Wiki blacklist was denied (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist#aceshowbiz.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/10#aceshowbiz.com - moved to archive), and they recommended whitelisting the URLs here.  Aceshowbiz.com has information I have referenced that I cannot find published elsewhere.  It is currently used as a reference eight times in Jonas Brothers, as current reference number 23 ("Jonas Brothers Biography at AceShowBiz.com"). --Scott Alter 04:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmmm.  Information not available elsewhere sounds like it might not be that reliable, to me. Guy (Help!) 15:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking again at Jonas Brothers and aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jonas_brothers/biography.html, I see that all of the information at aceshowbiz.com has been published elsewhere, so reliability should not be an issue.  The reason I prefer aceshowbiz.com's article is that it presents a large amount of information that is concise and relevant to the Wikipedia article.  Even though some portions of aceshowbiz.com contain inappropriate material for referencing, there are also articles with factual information.  --Scott Alter 00:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  Jonas Brothers still uses aceshowbiz.com as a reference many times (now reference number 24, but with a broken link to the site) and I'd still like it to be whitelisted.  There are actually two pages for the biography: aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jonas_brothers/biography.html and the continuation at aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jonas_brothers/biography_2.html.  --Scott Alter 14:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.aceshowbiz.com

message: From the band A Thorn for Every Heart's official MySpace page showing 1) very recent band member lineup changes, 2)the fact that they no longer are with a record label and 3)that their new album is on indefinite hold. The band's official non-myspace web site hasn't been updated since 2006 so this is the only thing I could find to source current members in the article itself. Thank you. --  ALLSTARecho 01:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A hyperlink isnt needed for citing that blog post. --Hu12 01:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon? If you can't link to it, then you can't use it as a source - that seems a logical understanding. But if you can kindly show me how to use a source without linking to it, and policy that says it's ok, then I'm down with that and will use it instead. Just tell me how or send me somewhere that tells me how because I've never heard of using sources that can't be verified, ie: linked. Thanks. --  ALLSTARecho 03:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed about blogs/newsgroups being poor sources, and if this weren't their official MySpace page, I certainly wouldn't have given it a second thought. But since their own official web site isn't updated in a long time, it was my only alternative. Thanks. --  ALLSTARecho 04:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand, the above should suit your needs for now. thanks--Hu12 04:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=979373&blogID=331179541

message: This page supports a reference in Movement to impeach George W. Bush#Online polls and surveys.  It is legitimate, relevant, and has the endorsement of a number of prominent people, including Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn.  I requested this whitelisting a while back, but that was never responded to and seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. - JCLately (talk) 02:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be basically valid to me.  If there are no objections I will whitelist in the next day or so.  Thanks (& apologies it got "lost" before) --Herby talk thyme 13:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: --Herby talk thyme 08:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.ipetitions.com/petition/moveontoimpeachment

message: Sundial
we have asked many times for clarification as to how to keep this link. This policy is now stopping the development of the article. After a long period of time spent up loading images to be told that it cannot be saved is very frustrating. Please see talk pages for a history. The site to which this link goes does have its problems but is informative, instructional and knowledgeable. What more does one want? --Edmund Patrick ( confer  work) 09:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would object to that, see above. /SvNH 03:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.mysundial.2see.de

message: This is the only resource I could find that contains reliable information on The General (TV series), and the link is required for referencing purposes. Waggers (talk) 09:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should work!  If not get back to me - cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.tvrage.com/shows/id-14792

message: Hello, this is my personal domain that hosts my blog, placed at urindar.sytes.net/_v22, and I would like to place a link to it in my user page. I currently cannot do so, because the domain *.sytes.net is blacklisted. Thanks a lot.--urindar 15:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the fact that they have four links to personal sites already on their user page and that they have not edited for a couple of months I'm closing this as  --Herby talk thyme 13:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: urindar.sytes.net

message: jehan.batcave.net is the url to my personal website, I attempted to add a link to my user page, and was told that it was blacklisted.  this link is a collection of musings on various subjects, and in no way, shape, or form makes me any money.
Jehan60188 13:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not what I would term an "established user" and not edited since this so closed as  --Herby talk thyme 13:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: jehan.batcave.net

message: I feel that there is no need to blacklist any links within wikipedia simply because it relates to the Catholic Church.  i personally am not catholic, but i do know catholic beliefs, and try to link to them as well as other religions, but i cant because someone put catholicism on the blacklist.  the changes i try to add are all perfectly relevant, and yet i still am unable to make any changes. i tried to correct a nonexistant link on the page about euthanasia,  Roman Catholic medical ethics, to Roman Catholicism, but for whatever reason, i found that this was blacklisted.  It would be a relatively useful correction for any person looking for beliefs of the Catholic Church regarding euthanasia.
And i apologize if i put this under the wrong heading, im still relatively new and not entirely sure how to organize the discussion page, sorry for any inconvenience...
**Sniper201092 01:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi sniper201092 to have something whitelisted you need to provide the link you want whitelisted (just leave off the http:// bit and it'll be postable).  Then we'll be able to look up why it was blacklisted in the first place and meak a decision about whter to whitelist it.  Thanks -- SiobhanHansa 03:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing heard for a couple of weeks so closed as  --Herby talk thyme 13:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic Church 

message: Please whitelist either snipurl.com or specifically snipurl.com/akrupp. I'd like to link to it on my userpage. Thanks!Anthony Krupp 03:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think snipurl is a link shortener?  If so such sites are blacklisted at Meta as a matter of policy to prevent them being used maliciously or to circumvent current blocks.  Thanks --Herby talk thyme 08:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Equally, call me picky but why not place the actual link there?  Closing in a couple of days if no further response - cheers --Herby talk thyme 11:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: snipurl.com link on my user page

message: I am making an article on a Dutch metal band called Forcefeed. Now they made several announcements about their band, such as one of the members leaving and postponing one of their tours, and I would like to add the references to the article. The links are:
Johan leaving: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=56961133&blogID=326633140
and Tour postponed: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=56961133&blogID=231990278
and the last one: the recording of their new album: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=56961133&blogID=293621258
Please whitelist them. As you can see if you check out the links, they're normal announcements.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nake-Blade (talk • contribs) 12:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given this edit appears to be your only contribution I am not sure how valid it is.  Are you planning to work  on the article soon?  Thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Forcefeed announcements on blog

message: I'm trying to revert some vandalism and format spamming on the Shaun of the Dead entry, however a reference to director Edgar Wright's myspace blog is stopping me updating.
The reference is blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=144582906&blogID=324420860 and it appears to be important to the Shaun of the Dead article, in that it verifies the Directors motivations when they were reported to have refused to make an American TV series version of their movie. DrJon 09:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a fan:) but can you give us more idea of why this link is necessary?  Are there alternatives, is it a reliable source etc, thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shaun of the Dead Director Edgar Wright blog entry on his Myspace page

message: I need to add www.thebestof.co.uk/southwark/news/39700 as a reference for the article Gilly Flaherty but due to the spam protection blacklist, I can't. It's for the content with the section header "Millwall Lionesses", which provides information on the early part of the career of the Football (Soccer) player. Thanks. --Johngooner 00:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this the only available source for referencing?  Thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.thebestof.co.uk/southwark/news/39700

message: For page Anywhere But Here (Buffy comic) - the blog in question is the Dark Horse Comics blog, and contains the announcement of the winner, and the winning information, along with info from Joss Whedon on what he intends to do with the character. They haven't posted it anywhere else, so this is the prime source for this information. Thanks. --Thespian 10:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us some idea of why this link is necessary and is it still the only source?  Are there alternatives, is it a reliable source etc, thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=77284510&blogID=249286825

message: I was attempting to cite sources for album information on The Live EP, an album by The Black Keys. As this was a digital release via MySpace the only "liner notes" for this album giving information on its production were posted to the band's official blog. This is a primary source posted directly by the band, so it seems like it classifies for the whitelist. The full URL is: /index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=3451033&blogID=267108076 sHARD 04:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us some idea of why this link is necessary (& is it still or are there now other sources)?  Is it a reliable source etc, thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=3451033&blogID=267108076

message: Hi, I recently saw that the BombingScience.com external link was removed from the "graffiti" articles of most languages. This site was in the external links of some of the "graffiti" pages for a few years in some languages, so I have added this external links to the graffiti articles of other languages. BombingScience.com is one of the largest and most important graffiti ressource on the web, with pictures from many countries, news on graffiti culture and events and a large community of graffiti writers contributing to the site. 
It is clearly one of the few sites that are true comprehensive ressources on graffiti on the web and this is why I ask this site to be whitelisted in the graffiti articles. Thank you  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.211.8 (talk) 04:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is actually blacklisted at Meta in response to this request.  Give the spamming history rather more information about why you feel that the site should be whitelisted is necessary, thanks --Herby talk thyme 08:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no suggestion that you were responsible for the quite large number of links that have been placed to that site.  However it is the reason that it is blacklisted.  It is not the page the links are on that is the issue but the quantity of them across wikis that makes us call them "spam".  If some links remained after blacklisting then it is because we did not get around to cleaning them up.  I would need to see a request from an established user to consider this request. --Herby talk thyme 14:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Look in the history and find the names of users (not IP addresses) that have edited the article in question multiple times. Then find those users' talk pages. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 13:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BombingScience.com on graffiti page

message: This is the official website for a Political party in Puerto Rico. I am trying to add this website to the article page of Puerto Rican Independence Party. I don't know why it is blacklisted, but it should be whitelisted because it is an important site beloging to a political party in Puerto Rico. There is no span in that site, that I know of, and it mostly speaks of the party's official business, current political campaign or important matters in PR. --Charleenmerced  Talk 06:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Extensively linked across wikis earlier in the year.  Blacklisted at meta with discussion here.  I would not be inclined to whitelist, sorry --Herby talk thyme 16:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing else heard, closed as  --Herby talk thyme 18:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.independencia.net

message: This is actually the address of my redirector, but it is the URL I submitted. This will resolve into http://www.bigskyhorizons.com/alx/ which is the proper address. I assume it was blacklisted because I uploaded two images referencing said URL in short order. The link was intended to give users who were interested in similar imagery a shortcut to my gallery
currently used at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imajica and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go
Miso-chan (talk) 17:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost all redirectors are blocked per WP:EL#Redirection sites; it had nothing to do with your addition of the images.  Is there some reason you can't link directly to your site? Kuru talk 18:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirming Kuru - redirectors are blacklisted at Meta for the potential damage they may cause and to prevent circumvention of listings.  So  I'm afraid --Herby talk thyme 16:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: alx.shows.it

message: At the bottom of the Frank Herbert entry is a list of forums and fan sites.  I tried to add this one to the list, which is the second most popular and active Dune discussion board on the internet, and it is being blacklisted due to "invisionfree" being in the address.  This is being added in a list of forums and message boards and deserves to be included in that list.  Its actually more active than most of the existing entries.  I would like to request that this particular forum (NOT all invisionfree sites) be added to the whitelist.  thanks Tleilax Master B (talk) 15:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Links to discussion forums/groups are Links normally to be avoided per External links policy--Hu12 (talk) 16:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  per Hu12, --Herby talk thyme 16:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: s10.invisionfree.com/Dune_Forum

message: triggered the myspace.com protection, but not remotely close to that. I'm trying to add a link to the spaced wiki page and it is denied because of the fact that in spaced... you have space, like in myspace. Maybe the protection is a lil bit harder than it should
please remove this link from blacklist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.37.10.15 (talk) 09:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Need some more info on this.  What page are you getting the error on?  The site you mention should not be affected by the blacklist here or on Meta - thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing more heard so closed as  --Herby talk thyme 16:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.spaced-out.org.uk

message: I tried to add this link in an "External links" section on the page about Squidoo. I think it's relevant to put it at least there. --Arnauld (talk) 08:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: for the same reasons here as a result of this. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 18:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.squidoo.com/

message: I tried to add this site to this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_Ops 
page. It was blocked due to invisionfree in name, This forum is dedicated to preserving this game and is the only known surving forum that still promotes this game and provides support to North America with many resources including mapping and server Admin. This clan has been involved in this game since it's beta version,
There is zero spam on these forums. my email is karras64@hotmail.com
thank you :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.82.89 (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Requires both registration and is a chat forum, these are Links normally to be avoided. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 18:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: z11.invisionfree.com/af_clan/

message: An introductory phrase on Mithraic Mysteries has required a source for a short time now, and since no one else took the initiative, I made a quick search and found a proper source almost instantly. Unfortunately, it appears to be blacklisted for no perceivable reason. It's essentially an ancient Iranian study group, and although I may be missing something here, I don't really see any reason why this site is on the blacklist. It's a rather informative site- can this be whitelisted, or can one elucidate on why this site happens to be blocked?--C.Logan (talk) 10:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some reading on the blacklist, and I've seen the reasons for blacklisting (though the severity of it seems exaggerated to me- I know little about copyright issues). In any case, I've found the original source of the text at Encyclopedia Iranica, so the problem has been solved.--C.Logan (talk) 10:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  www.cais-soas.com 

message: Request for whitelisting
This is a genuine, well organised and moderated fan site that has been around long enough with a steadily increasing membership to warrant inclusion in the External Links of the main article of the sites subject matter. Namely, the singer/songwriter Keith Urban. We had a link up for several months this year and this week it has been removed three times and finally we have been blocked. It's outrageous to block external links to sites that can only benefit the subject and we would very much like our address to be whitelisted. The article to which we would like to be added to is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Urban
Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metrostarku (talk • contribs) 01:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clear POV COI, ignore and move on, just another unhappy spammer that we have caught spreading their POV, unreliable cruft. βcommand 02:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this link to our attention, Metrostarku. It's not presently on either our local or our global (meta) blacklists -- we'll start looking into this to see if we should blacklist it? Does the siteowner have any other domains besides this one? --A. B. (talk)  02:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Solved - it was an "andhranews.com" issue --Herby talk thyme 09:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: somebodylikeyoufans.tk

message: ===Spam filter or editorial filter?===
As I said in #Without_warning.21, this is a spam filter, and should not be used to block links that are prohibited merely for editorial reasons, like blog.myspace.com or links that violate WP:C.  There will always be a few instances in which such links are appropriate.  Please remove all such domains.
If they're a persistent problem, create a bot to flag such links for review by editors; don't just block them mechanically.  This is causing people to lose their work unnecessarily. — Omegatron 13:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: As I said in #Without_warning.21, this is a spam filter, and should not be used to block links that are prohibited merely for editorial reasons, like blog.myspace.com or links that violate WP:C.  There will always be a few instances in which such links are appropriate.  Please remove all such domains.
If they're a persistent problem, create a bot to flag such links for review by editors; don't just block them mechanically.  This is causing people to lose their work unnecessarily. — Omegatron 13:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spam filter or editorial filter?