Talk:Baudouin of Belgium

message: Baldwin I of Belgium → Baudouin of Belgium — This is the name by which the king is best known. Charles 11:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is to stop moves to superfluous forms of the King's name and to restore the form of his name which is used most. Charles 11:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Google shows over 60,000 hits for "King Baudouin" +Belgium -Jerusalem -wikipedia, and only 400+ for "King Baldwin" +Belgium -Jerusalem -wikipedia (-Jerusalem to exclude references to the medieval monarch of the same name). Taking the first 30 of these 400+ as a representative sample the vast majority (approx. 75%) are from websites hosted in countries where English is not a native language. This situation arose because an editor unilaterally decided that Baudouin was a bit tricky to pronounce and because this is the English wikipedia it would be easier to call him Baldwin.  I think he/she must also have moved all the redirects, thereby squatting on the original and making it impossible to revert. I inadvertently violated style conventions in my attempt to sort out what I felt to be the rather more important matter of getting his name right. Cripipper 18:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (previous)

message: *Support As nominator. Charles 11:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Support; it is the only name by which he is commonly known in English, and this is the English Wikipedia, not Dutch, French, or German. --Russ (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Support votes

message: #Oppose Given that he had several different language names in Belgium, we should use English to avoid having to choose between Dutch/French/German.  --Henrygb 15:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Oppose votes

message: :This is to stop moves to superfluous forms of the King's name and to restore the form of his name which is used most. Charles 11:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Google shows over 60,000 hits for "King Baudouin" +Belgium -Jerusalem -wikipedia, and only 400+ for "King Baldwin" +Belgium -Jerusalem -wikipedia (-Jerusalem to exclude references to the medieval monarch of the same name). Taking the first 30 of these 400+ as a representative sample the vast majority (approx. 75%) are from websites hosted in countries where English is not a native language. This situation arose because an editor unilaterally decided that Baudouin was a bit tricky to pronounce and because this is the English wikipedia it would be easier to call him Baldwin.  I think he/she must also have moved all the redirects, thereby squatting on the original and making it impossible to revert. I inadvertently violated style conventions in my attempt to sort out what I felt to be the rather more important matter of getting his name right. Cripipper 18:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: "Though reinstated in a plebiscite after the war, it became clear that Léopold was too controversial a person to be a unifying force, hence the abdication."
He abdicated to preserve the union of the country, because of a "fight" between 2 sides, Pro-Leopold 3 and one against him.
:Leopold III was hugely unpopular.  The royal family lived in Switzerland until 1950, because they were so unpopular.  DonPMitchell (talk) 09:44, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show of opinion on Leopold III instead of facts 

message: Isn't Baldwin the English version of Baudouin or Boudewijn?  If so, I suggest the name be changed to Baldwin. --B-west 15:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen him called "Boudewijn" in English.  It's possible that English newspaper discussion of him from when he was a child refer to him as "Baldwin", but certainly "Baudouin" is the primary form. john k 20:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately he is never called Baldwin in English. Cripipper 22:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ? Cripipper 22:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baudouin or Baldwin 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it's "Belgians" bot Belgains. 72.197.133.100 22:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: King of Belgains

message: I have found an old stamp collection in my house, one of which is an old Belgian one with Baoudouin's face on it.  I don't know how to upload/copyright junk it, but if it sounds like it could help this article I could try.
--Leathlaobhair 23:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stamp

message: Baudouin I's reign began July 17th, 1951. The day after his father's abdication. Baudouin took his accession oath on July 17th (Belgian succession isn't automatic, like most monarchies). GoodDay 04:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reign started

message: My understanding is that he was not Baudouin of Belgium, but Baudouin of the Belgians.  can anyone who knows better than I (which is a wide field) comment? Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The official title of the Kings in Belgium is "King of the Belgians" and never "King of Belgium".  For instance look at this link to the Belgian Official Gazette and to a published Royal Decree starting with the words, "Albert II, Roi des Belges" (i.e. Albert II, King of the Belgians).  And the same goes in the Dutch version were you can find the wording "Koning der Belgen" or in German with "König der Belgier".  --Lebob-BE (talk) 14:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "of Belgium" or "of the Belgians" 

message: Please, move the page to . This monarch does not have a number for being the only one to have this name and because that is official. Thanks. Cyril-83 (talk) 09:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Belgian kings are always numbered, even if they are the first by that name. Albert I was already known by that number during his own reign and not when his grandson acceded the throne in 1993 as Albert II. In the same way, Baudouin was called Baudouin I in his own lifetime. It's a peculiarity of the Belgian monarchy. -- fdewaele, 22 May 2010.
In Wikipedia's article about regnal numbers, there is a section about "the first". In some places, "I" is used immediately; in other cases, it's added retroactively (like it was for Elizabeth I of England) if another monarch comes along with the same name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 16:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Number : Baudouin, not ''Baudouin I''

message: I flagged the article with the Neutrality/Copyright boxes.  I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so I apologize if I made any mistakes.
The article has issues with neutrality of the style of writing, it is inadequately sourced and contains text cut and pasted from a copyrighted source.  I tried to use inline tags to tag the suspect sentences, but it could probably use a significant rewrite. 
The tone issues generally deal with the popularity or the subjects, or their various positive attributes; they may be true, but blanket statements about popularity, or popular perception or reaction need significant legitimate sources.
The copyrighted material that I found comes from the section "Death, succession, and legacy"  The entire final paragraph is copied from the cited source (http://www.bookrags.com/biography/albert-ii/).  UnFark (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagging: Neutrality/Copyright

message: Belgian kings are always refered to as "kings of the Belgians", and not as "kings of Belgium". This emphasizes the constitutional power of the king, wich is given to him by the Belgians, and the fact that he is obliged to take the oath in front of the assembly of the united chambers, being the senate and the chamber of representatives, before he can take power of the throne. In other words: Belgium isn't the property of the king, but that of the Belgians, since they revolted against the Dutch king William in 1830 and took possession of the area, wich was later referred to as Belgium, for themselves. They only ask the king to govern it for them. Therefore he isn't refered to as "king of Belgium", but as "king of the Belgians".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boris Horemans (talk • contribs) 22:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "of Belgium" or "of the Belgians" 

message: At first I thought JK forgot to also move this talkpage. I reverted is pagemove, then move the page again along with the talkpage, yet it didn't work. GoodDay (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page movement glitch? 

message: It has been stated that this article is at Baudouin I of Belgium and not Baudouin of Belgium because the ordinal is usually used with Belgian kings. However, this looks to be incorrect. 
*"Boudewijn van België" gets 2290 Google Books results, and 10 Google News Archive
*"Bouewijn I van België" gets 2 (!) Google Books results, and 1 Google News Archive
*"Baudouin de Belgique" gets 891 Google Books results, and 25 Google News acrhives
*"Baudouin I de Belgique" gets 127 Google Books results, and no Google News archive results
*"Baudouin of Belgium" gets 17400 Google Books results, and 6370 Google News Archive
*"Baudouin I of Belgium" gets 1860 Google Books results, and 58 Google News archives
In general, the results (from reliable sources) for the version without the numeral are about ten times as numerous as those with the numeral, both in English (which is what counts here, in the end), and in the two main languages of Belgium. Any reason why this page shouldn't be moved to the version without the ordinal? Fram (talk) 13:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baudouin of Belgium 

message: This article should be moved to Baudouin, King of Belgium, even though his actually monarchial office is King of the Belgians. GoodDay (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's start a request then - qv below.--Kotniski (talk) 11:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Sovereigns|WP:Ncrn]] 

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message: This clause seems a little awkward to me: "Although in March 1992 the King had been operated for a Mitral valve prolapse in Paris." Where I come from, one would say either "the King had been operated on for a Mitral valve prolapse," or "the King had undergone surgery for a Mitral valve prolapse."  I'm from the American South, though so I may be unaware of some vernacular at work there. O0drogue0o (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death, succession, and legacy 

message: Baudouin's Scouting is mentioned 4 times in John S. Wilson (1959), Scouting Round the World. First edition, Blandford Press. p. 36, 224, 37, 289, but not in the article. Should this be mentioned?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting? 

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message: "Despite maintaining strict neutrality during the opening months of the Second World War, on 10 May 1940, Belgium was invaded by Nazi Germany." 
That statement is a lie. Belgium may have pretended to be neutral, but they did in fact not act that way (cooperated wilfully with France and Britain, allowed Allied planes to fly over their country, etc.) and have been notified about this several times by the Germans. Hence the ignoring of the claimed neutrality by the German Army. --105.4.5.225 (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Swindle 

message: While vague objections were raised regarding text reflecting Baudouin's alleged involvement in the assassination of Congolese Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba's 1961 assassination in which Belgian nationals were clearly involved, no specifics were given. I've done extensive copy edits and referencing, but haven't the time to pursue this further. I'm removing the tagging which should not be restored without the provision of those specifics. Activist (talk) 10:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to tagging 

message: Does anyone know what health problem Baudouin had that caused him to have to walk with leg braces from time to time? I've read about it and seen many photos in the past, but don't remember now what it was. There's no mention of it in this article. I've done quite a few internet searches and can now find no mention at all of it, including searching his name and keywords like leg braces. I finally found one photo where you can see a little of the brace where it fits around his arm. It all seems to have been scrubbed from the internet for some reason. Here is the link to the only photo I can find now. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/5981411995097448/ 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:5D4C:585C:1681:620F (talk) 22:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health problem wiped from internet 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

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