Talk:Collegiate School (New York City)

message: I'm happy to admit that Hopkins is #3 if it's true, but are you sure TCS has been CONTINUOUSLY operating, as that's what the section you edited referred to? Are you certain it didn't close for WWII or something? Staxringold 02:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Upon checking Roxbury Latin School (an article that made a similar claim), Collegiate closed down briefly during the Revolution so while you are older than Hopkins you are not an older school in continuous operation. Staxringold 02:43, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits to [[Hopkins School]]

message: This article makes several claims which are unsubstantiated. There have been several requests to cite them, but no sources have been added. Therefore, the claims will be removed until citations are integrated into the article. If the statements are true, it should be easy to verify them with reliable outside information. Wikipedia must remain credible; unfortunately, we cannot simply trust every Internet user to be 100% right all the time, so sources are an important method of maintaining accountability.
In 2020, the school contracted Dr. Joyce D. Goodfriend at the University of Denver to write a history of the school, which confirms the origin of the seal and the mottos, as the section states them, but a copy of this report does not appear to be publicly available. Solobear89 (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Collegiate was not named the top secondary school in the April 2, 2004 edition of the Wall Street Journal. St. Ann's was named the top school in the country, and other NY schools ranked in the nation's top ten include Trinity (3), Horace Mann (4), Dalton (8), and Hunter College High School (9). Collegiate did not make the list.
See the WSJ article directly for proof or (to avoid paying to read the archives) see College Bound News' summary of the WSJ article .
The April 2 Wall Street Journal examined those issues by looking at how 66 private and public high schools did in getting their students admitted to 10 exclusive colleges (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, U. Pennsylvania, Cornell, Brown, Pomona, U. of Chicago, Duke).
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The top ten high schools were: Saint Ann's School, Brooklyn, N.Y., tuition $20,500, success rate, 41 percent; Winsor School, Boston, tuition $23,800, success rate, 39 percent; Trinity School, New York City, tuition $23,475, success rate, 37 percent; Horace Mann School, Riverdale, N.Y., tuition $24,500, success rate, 35 percent; Phillips Academy, Andover, Mass., tuition $23,400, success rate, 30 percent; Deerfield Academy, tuition $23.005, success rate, 30 percent; National Cathedral School, Washington, D.C., tuition $21,850, success rate, 30 percent; Dalton School, New York City, tuition $24,680, success rate, 30 percent; Hunter College High School, New York City, tuition, $0, success rate 28 percent; St. Paul's School, Concord, N.H., tuition $31,125, success rate 28 percent.
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:Wrong. From that very Wall Street Journal article, available for free here : "Our numbers thresholds, to be sure, excluded some small schools that had an extremely high admissions success rate. For example, New York's Collegiate School -- which John F. Kennedy Jr. once attended -- fell just below our minimum class-size requirement, with a graduating class last year of 49 students. However, a whopping 25 of them, or 51%, went to our college picks; that would have made it No. 1 in our study." RampageouS 21:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WSJ - Collegiate NOT named top secondary school 

message: It is not right to mislead readers by putting the two together. If there are notable attendees currently on the alumni list, we should move them to a "attendees" list.
:Attendees are alumni. The words are synonyms. The distinction you seem to want to make would be alumni vs. graduates. - Nunh-huh 05:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no rule, no, but it's a pretty good way to keep a list of alums from getting too long to be useful, wouldn't you agree? Esrever (klaT) 16:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable alumni and attendees 

message: I'd like to propose moving this article from "The Collegiate School" to "Collegiate School (New York)".  Per the Wikipedia naming conventions, there should not be a definite article in the page's name.  As Collegiate School is currently taken by a disambiguation page, I think this is the best solution so as both to conform to the naming guidelines and disambiguate this article from the other Collegiates out there.  I know that this is probably the "best known" of the similarly named schools, but I'm not sure that presents an "overwhelming" case for not putting the geographic distinction in the page name, too.  If there are no real objections in a day or two, I'll make the move.  Cheers! Esrever (klaT) 02:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article name 

message: I've reverted the additions to the article that include such statements as "Collegiate is perhaps the second most academically prestigious boys' school in the nation, right behind Massachusettes elite Roxbury Latin School, the oldest continually operated school in the US" and "the Brearley School, the United States most challenging girls' school," mostly because the cited websites don't say any such thing.  Neither of the two sites that's been linked to (here or here) suggests any measure of comparative "academic prestige" among Latin, Collegiate, or Brearley.  The former is merely a profile of Latin; the latter is a list of schools sending students to Harvard, Princeton, and Yale.  Neither of those two sites suggests that Collegiate is a better or worse school than any other school, and thus they have no place as citations for POVish statements.  There are ample news sources that strive to "rank" high schools.  Perhaps cite one of those instead. Esrever (klaT) 04:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "most academically prestigious" 

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