Talk:Long rifle

message: This article has no citations or sources. If someone could please take the time to substantiate ANY of this information with a reliable source it would go a long way towards making this an encyclopedia article, as it stands it does not belong on wikipedia at all, unsourced material must be removed. Even though the information seems credible it cannot remain on Wikipedia in its current state.
This reads like a personal essay, especially in light of certain statements, not the worst offender being, 'Gunsmiths were recognized as the preeminent craftsmen of their day for they, more than any other tradesmen, had to be expert in all the materials of the time.' Recognized by whom? This is such a sweeping statement it makes itself irrelevant.  "Facts" like this should be removed. - Celareon (talk) 02:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... Ok. But this isn't about a living person, so don't blank it. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources?

message: In this article it references the Baker rifle having a total range to 800 yards.  Is this confirmed by any source[?]  There is large arguement about actual accuracy of the Baker past 400 yards.  The hits that occured at a possible 800 yards are unconfirmed.  Just a something that might want to be researched and cited.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.162.143.21 (talk) 13:39, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:I'm confused. Cites are good. Granted. However, you write as though you know there are alleged hits at 800 yds but they're controversial. In that case, a cite wouldn't help: it'd just corroborate the supposedly questionable alleged hits. If you have a cite that the stories of hits at 800 yds are unsubstantiated, please explain and include them. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of the Baker Rifle 

message: Is that right? None survived? No artistic representation of such interesting, unique artifacts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.34.80.171 (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plenty have survived, many even in shooting condition.  There are lots in museums as well as in private collections. They are just rather pricey.  We do need a picture, though. Yaf (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No photos? 

message: Ok. Now we have one. It's of a replica. Any more? or historical depictions? -LlywelynII (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: More photos!

message: No offense intended to the writers I reverted. I hope you restore your work in correct format. I'm not sure what went wrong, but what I reverted was a whole lot of stuff with words like "me", "I", and "my Uncle", etc. Since that approach permeated many paragraphs that were added just a week or two ago, I am not going to try to rewrite it myself. That sort of discussion is for this discussion page...maybe that was the mistake.
Interesting topic, of course. I also wonder why the article is just "Long rifle", without "Kentucky" or "Deckard" or something. The title doesn't have to cover all the bases perfectly, but it should be a little more definitive and meaningful, I think. While I am no expert, I would have thought that more people know the rifle as the "Kentucky Long Rifle". If purists disagree, their opinion certainly has weight, but I am not sure it should be the final word on a topic that has meaning to a much broader audience. For example, it appears extensively in histories and in fiction, and that usage has some weight as well. - Taquito1 (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. The catch-all term is Long Rifle (alt. longrifle) and that should be the lede until separate articles are written. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Encyclopedic Reversion February 01, 2010 & Name

message: The caliber of the American Long Rifle ranged from .32 to .50 caliber. Larger calibers were generally for smooyhbore muskets. The reason for the smaller calibers was saving powder. Also, a smaller caliber had a higher velocity than a larger caliber round ball projectile. You are incorrect in your data and should check sources concerning the subject. I have personally shot these rifles and have studied them. You may also check with Jim Turpin,Master Gun Builder of Overland Park, KS.   Ed Krzesinski  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.73.121.220 (talk) 17:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Long Rifle 

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message: "ROBERT BAKER ( -1728)., gunsmith. Robert Baker was a gunsmith between 1717 and 1728 at the confluence of Pequea Creek and the Susquehanna River in Chester (now Lancaster) County. In 1719 Robert Baker took over the shop operated by his brother, Samuel Baker. Robert died intestate 19 September 1728, the Orphan's Court ordered an inventory of Robert's estate. It showed tools of the gunsmith and blacksmith. The total value of the tools in his gun barrel boring and gun shop was 295 pounds/10/7." GUNSMITHS OF LANCASTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA by James B. Whisker
Editors Note: Based on all information found, I believe Samuel Baker & his brother Robert Baker were probably the first gun makers in America. National Geographic Magazine stated that the Baker's invented the Pennsylvania-Kentucky Long Rifle. Unable to find the date of that article.
Not sure where to put this genealogy information for Robert Baker since his Wikipedia page doesn't exist now. Robert ("The Gunsmith") Baker, a co-creator of the Long Rifle, Robert "The Gunsmith" Baker. co-creator of the Long Rifle, was a direct descendant of John Baker https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Baker_(died_1558)&oldid=1042072746 and Christopher Baker, who was a sea captain during the Spanish Armada, war between England and Spain. Capt. Baker is pictured on the Armada Tapestries. 
George Baker (1540-1600), Capt. Baker's son from whom Robert Baker is descended, was personal surgeon to Queen Elizabeth I of England.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Baker_(surgeon)
Andrew Baker, a son of George Baker (surgeon), emigrated to America, where he was an official gun-maker for the colonies, appointed by the King of England.
Robert Baker was also the maternal grandfather of Jesse Hughes (c. 1750 – c. 1829), frontiersman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Hughes_(frontiersman). 
I know this Baker genealogy because Jesse Hughes is my 5th great grandfather.  (I want to link this to other Wikipedia pages but I'm not sure how)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calicomist (talk • contribs) 04:30, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Statements in WP articles require reliable sources. That's the policy. Find the supporting article and you can add the statement. Also see WP:CITE for formatting. MartinezMD (talk) 05:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Baker's ancestors and descendants