Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jehovah's Witnesses

message: Hi folks,
Is there a reason  is listed as part of your project?  No issues if there is, I'm just not seeing anything in the article to explain it. Thanks! Hobit (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing obvious, and nor can I see a reason for its inclusion in the Christianity project. I've deleted the JW component of it. Thanks. BlackCab (talk) 21:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

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thread_title:  Key symbol? 

message: I have tagged the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs as a WP:attack WP:COAT WP:POV after having recently suggesting the article for deletion, however after the article was submitted for deletion, the tag was removed in less than a single day, not really allowing for discussion or any attempt by concerned parties to even begin to attempt to correct this page which does not adhere to WP:NPOV and uses obscure, out of date "facts" to disparage Jehovah's Witnesses, thus violating WP:cherry .  If anyone is interested in saving this article by contributing to improve it so that it conforms to WP:NPOV and is not simply an attack page directed against the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, please visit the page and discuss this in talk in the heading "this is an attack page".
Also, I do not know who the pages author is, therefore I am posting the template here: 
  Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Willietell (talk) 16:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The talk page of the article is clearly the appropriate place to discuss your concerns. I have invited you there to raise them. Since Wikipedia articles genereally do not have a single author, it is standard practice to post courtesy messages at the talk pages of significant contributors to the article when proposing deletions and posting the type of warning you have above. BlackCab (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Willietell claims that the deletion tag was removed after less than a single day. The template was actually on the article for about 41 hours, from 11 December 02:24 until 12 December 19:02 (times are UTC). No one else, including the admin who removed the more recent inappropriate tags, agrees with Willietell's claim that the article is an 'attack page'. He needs to discuss (not complain, not accuse, discuss) at the article's Talk page.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

text: (It appears that Willietell may have been referring to his more recent attempt here to have the article speedily deleted as an 'attack page'. I had not previously noticed that attempt, which was quickly dismissed by an administrator who quickly determined that the article is not an 'attack page'.)--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Willitell, you are fast approaching a report for disruptive editing. The Watchtower Information Service website has simply reproduced the Wikipedia article. Your attempts to have this page deleted are becoming tiresome. Please stop your childish behavior. BlackCab (talk) 02:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not childish behavior, copyright infringement is a serious issue, this article has a copyright of 1999, and unless the Wikipedia article is older than that, there is a problem here. Willietell (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is you and your increasingly desperate attempts to force the deletion of an article about your religion that contains information you don't like. There is very clearly no copryright violation: any website may freely use material contained in Wikipedia articles and the WTIS website has done just that. The "Beliefs" page, like the "Practices" page, was created in August 2010 as a split from a combined article, "Beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses". That page had existed for years. You are gaming the system and you will be reported if you persist. BlackCab (talk) 03:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV and Attack tag for article Jehovah's Witnesses Beliefs 

message: The article "Annihilationism" has a blank section on the Jehovah's Witnesses needing filling. Jehovah's Witnesses are one of the main groups worldwide who support this doctrine - that the unsaved are ultimately destroyed - thus it is crucial they be included in the article. If some/someone could describe there what JW's believe on this topic, and also a brief history etc. of the movement's views on it, this would greatly improve the article. Thank-you! Colin MacLaurin (talk) 00:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annihilationism 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Possibe debate on JWs in May newsletter regarding Jehovah's Witnesses?. John Carter (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible debate for May Christianity newsletter 

message: hello,
the nominator of this article is not very active, so if possible you could help to fix the issues I have raised in its review page to avoid being failed. Regards.--GoPTCN 11:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; I'll have a look at this tomorrow BlackCab (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joseph Franklin Rutherford 

message: I have started these subpages.  Please place comments on their respective talk pages.  Those pages and this one are on my watchlist.
*Wikipedia:WikiProject Jehovah's Witnesses/Links: watchtower.org to jw.org
*Wikipedia:WikiProject Jehovah's Witnesses/Links: jw-media.org to jw.org 
—Wavelength (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing this. I was looking forward to make links correct, especially for those publications available online. I will do that in all JW related projects in next couple of daysRoller958 (talk) 22:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subpages about link updates 

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message: Hi guys.  I understand that a large portion of the Witnesses' headquarters in Brooklyn was sold around 2011, and that some of the headquarters functions are now in Patterson, NY (in Putnam County).  I don't normally work on JW stuff.  Can someone look into this and update history and organizational sections of the articles?  All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania#Property ownership.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

text: It's not clear from your request what other updates would be required. Can you be more specific?--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Brooklyn real estate sales and Patterson NY

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message: I notice Internet Archive has a rather largish number of PD works related to the Jehovah's Witnesses available as per this page. It would certainly be one way to maybe help revitalize this group to, maybe, get some of the PD works available elsewhere, maybe at wikisource, and use them to develop content here as merited. John Carter (talk) 21:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Works available for Wikisource 

message: I guess that this may be the best place for a central discussion.  I have noticed helpful FAQs at the top of some pages such as the ones on evolution (i.e. Talk:Evolution/FAQ), which can be easy to look up to have an idea of the existing consensus, basic procedures and/or related discretionary sanctions (there are other templates for that too for use on topics like US politics or pseudoscience-related articles).It would probably be more difficult to achieve this on a non-science related topic, but I wondered if it would be doable.  If we had one, I also have no idea if it would be read and acknowledged by new editors, or ultimately useless...  Every once in a while, a new editor shows up hoping to majorly revamp articles with the possibility of endlessly reopening old debates, usually with the same conclusions, wasting a lot of time for everyone.Of course, if such a FAQ existed, it would need to be updated as necessary when consensus forms for a change on a particular point; perhaps that RfCs-style sessions could occasionally serve for this.  Just an idea.  Talk page histories could probably serve for an initial draft if attempting this.  —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 20:21, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the skeleton of a FAQ, which could eventually be moved to Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses/FAQ if it eventually is considered useful.  Feel free to edit.  The first question is mostly an example taken from the talk page, it can be split or rewritten as well.  —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 21:45, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

text: BTW, it may be a good idea to specify in the edit summary when text from the talk page is copied into this FAQ.  If a lot of text is borrowed (even if copy-edited) there's a special template we can use for attribution too, if I remember.  Thanks, —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 21:52, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have much time available at the moment to discuss in any depth. There may be some value in this proposal. My main concerns would be that 1) a previous consensus does not automatically mean that a new consensus about an issue is not permitted, 2) the subject is inherently not as objective as science-based topics (as you've already indicated), 3) the types of editors who often appear may not be likely to recognise previous consensus that conflicts with their position. Anyway, can discuss in more detail another time.--Jeffro77 (talk) 21:53, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  It would also need to be general enough not to become an article by itself.  Other question ideas might be about the founding (answering the common Jesus/Jehovah founder edits), Jehovah name, the NWT, etc.  And I'm not even sure yet if it's worthwhile work; it may be if it's short enough.  See you later, —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 22:02, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page FAQ 

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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Robert Ciranko]] for deletion 

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Hmm this article's wording claims that it's a denomination, but the official website is still jw.org.  Is there anything particular about JWs in Italy for this article's existence to be justified?  Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 14:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've submitted an AfD for this article. JWs in Italy do not form a significant proportion of the population of Italians or of JWs worldwide, and it isn't an 'Italian denomination' at all, receiving all its direction from the US headquarters. This type of article can generally be deleted, especially if not supported by secondary sources. However, it is not always straightforward; e.g. see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_in_Sweden.--Jeffro77 (talk) 03:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I just !voted there.  —PaleoNeonate – 12:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

text: Hmm I'm still surprised for the "no consensus" 2015 close, as in my impression, there were 3-4 valid delete and 1-2 possibly valid keep... —PaleoNeonate – 12:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Italy 

message: In the article Eschatology of Jehovah's Witnesses, we need to specify the current teaching. The 2008–10 doctrine on "this generation" referred to anointed from Jesus time and into the indefinite future (see for example the entry for 2008 in https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php#2008). Therefore we need to clarify that the current doctrine refers only or exclusively to those anointed in 1914 and their anointed contemporaries. We need this clarification in the text because the 2008–10 doctrine implicitly (logically) includes these two groups as well. User Jeffro77 opposes this; but I do not understand his arguments. What do other people think? Regards. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 13:56, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not helpful to start the same discussion in two separate places. It would be helpful if other editors instead reply at the relevant Talk page, Talk:Eschatology of Jehovah's Witnesses#Need to specify current teaching.--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need to specify current teaching 

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message: 607 BCE, registered to "Watchtower South Africa, 1 Robert Broom Drive East, Krugersdorp, +27-11-761-1000" (tag).  If someone can, it would be nice to verify if the text was not a copyright violation (I can't currently use the fancy tools).  Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 12:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s not a direct copy and paste of the whole thing, but parts are lifted from the two-part series “When was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed” appearing in the October and November 2011 issues of The Watchtower. Not to mention the obvious conflict of interest.—Jeffro77 (talk) 14:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, an admin revdeleted the diffs, —PaleoNeonate – 18:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting 

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message: Depending on how discussion at Talk:Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania#Society v society goes, we might want to update the main wikiproject page's advice via the headings "Watchtower Society versus Governing Body" and "Watchtower Society versus Watch Tower Society". I also doubt the usefulness of including the list of "recently deleted" articles prior to 2017. Maybe it'd be best to remove it? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Those sections discuss separate issues to the use of "the Society" versus "the society". But something relevant probably should be added at the project page about that matter also.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

text: (Though I see there are some references to "the Society" in those sections that could be more consistent with not using JW jargon.)--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main wikiproject page update? 

message: I know it has been very quiet for the past few months, but I have done a bit of work anyway.
You can read it at jw.org talkpage.
But basically I requested to make jw.org a stand alone page, in stead of it being a redirect to Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's over 15 years ago that it was voted to be a redirect, and correctly so, as it wasn't notable yet. I think that we're way past that now, and I gave some reasons, links and the added languages on Wikidata to prove my point. 
Now I do not want to write it, as I might be seen biased. But perhaps you guys have any interest in writing a small article? There is enough to take from the Polish edition (:pl:jw.org) as well as Tomedes etc. 
Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  22:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It should remain a redirect. The web page itself is not notable in secondary sources, and an article about the website itself would be primarily promotional, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia articles.--Jeffro77 Talk 01:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

text: The article on the Polish Wikipedia has been written almost exclusively by one editor, whose edits on the English Wikipedia are also almost all about promoting JWs.--Jeffro77 Talk 02:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  jw.org 

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