Talk:Southern Azerbaijan National Awakening Movement

message: SANAM is not a Baku-based organization, its founder Mahmudali Chohraganli is a U.S. resident, and was recently deported from Azerbaijan. So the information from Radio Free Europe taken out of context is simply false. Atabek 15:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please cite your sources. Khoikhoi 19:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let me state for the record that I do not support this organization. This organization probably is seperatists like the previous version described it as. However, it had no sources. The current version reflects it's UNPO description. Let me also state for the record that I wish Azerbaijan of Iran was represented in the UNPO (Unrepresented Nations and People Organization) by some of it's own people. --- Farzinf 11:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You cited the UNPO, however, the information you put into the article was just a summary from GAMOH's own website, as indicated at the bottom of the UNPO page:  Please use neutral third party sources. You cant use GAMOH's own website to write about it, thats called bias. Please bring up neutral third party sources.Azerbaijani 17:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually the description I posted was based off of http://www.unpo.org/member_profile.php?id=79 (under "Organizations") not http://www.gamoh.org/en/about.html . --- Farzinf 13:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It sounds like promotional material, not encyclopedic material IMO. --Mardavich 13:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Farzin, I know, but the UNPO just summarized the GAMOH website. The UNPO even cites the GAMOH website at the bottom.Azerbaijani 16:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is a just a handful of guys settled in Chicago, paid by certain governments to spread hatred. Yes, it is of course not notable, candidate it for deletion. --Pejman47 20:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay --- Farzinf 07:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SANAM Not Baku-based

message: The  RFERL source clearly says: 
The Baku-based GAMOH advocates unification of Azeris living on both sides of the Araxes River, which separates Iran from Azerbaijan.
We used this source to support the claim that the group was funded by Baku. There is no ground to suddenly change the content of the source.Neftchi (talk) 09:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Baku based means it's headquarters is in Baku .Article has nothing about foundation ( no one does it in a visible way !).--Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:42, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasnt talking about that at all. Please read carefully. We cannot interpretate the words of RFERL: "The Baku-based GAMOH advocates unification of Azeris living on both sides of the Araxes River, which separates Iran from Azerbaijan." into "group that advocates for the unification of Azerbaijanis living on both sides of the Araxes River, which separates Iran from Azerbaijan." - the latter is not supported by sources.Neftchi (talk) 10:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can not copy/paste an entire paragraph from RFERL, word by word, that's a violation of copy rights laws. I'm replacing it with a shortened quotation, and I am also adding a line about SANAM being a separatist group, which is referenced to William_Beeman, an expert/specialist source about the region. Kurdo777 (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check the source, its is not an entire paragraph. It is exacly only 1 sentence, that is allowed in copyright. Besides there are copy/paste  sentences that are much longer than this one. And also your "shortened version" has changed the context of the sentence into something with an entirely different meaning. "unification with Azerbaijanis" in Republic of Azerbaijan - that is not supported by any source. Another this is your short version has actually made the sentence even longer. So this really is not about copyright or length of a sentence. If you dont agree with the sentence, its your personal problem. We use the RFERL source than suddenly in the middle of the sentence you change from source into something you prefer. Neftchi (talk) 17:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see a content dispute however you cannot remove William Beeman, and nothing in your edits suggested why you removed him.  Both words "Separatist" and "unification" are there now, as well as the motto of the group. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit is fine, it doesnt change the conext. Neftchi (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interpretation of sources 

message: It does not explain:
*The social context during which this organisation was set up
*International reactions to the organisation e.g. supportive 
*Activities carried out
*Policy in detail and how they hope to achive it
*Internal reactions from the Iranian government
*Influence in Northern Iran
*Involvement with other groups e.g. Grey Wolves
*Pictures e.g. seperatist flag
*Number of known active members
If we explain these points clearly nuetraly we will achive a very good article indeed.Tugrulirmak (talk) 10:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article is very shallow 

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