Talk:Scholarship

message: I have reviewed this work, and would like to begin the discussion on a rework of the article.  I would like to hear anyones thoughts on this matter prior to my editing or overhauling. I will wait 7 days for discussion before making any edits. please discussIlliniGradResearch (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rework of Article Discussion

message: This page seems to attract more than a few external links, since ennumerable scholarships exist.  I propose limiting the links to (free) scholarship information and (free) scholarship searching tools, and among those, limiting it to a few of the best.  I am going to go ahead and remove a link to help a student since it seems at present to be a single scholarship.  Thoughts? --Hansnesse 01:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links policy

message: The link http://www.earnscholarships.com was posted to the article.  It does not seem like a comprehensive resource (and in my browser, it appears poorly formatted), and I removed it.  Since it is back, I have moved it here for further discussion.  Thoughts? --TeaDrinker 08:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External link

message: I always want to create a sort of... "wikipedia scholarship portal" which contains a list of scholarship providers etc and categorized it by ... let say... geographic area, nature, etc.
Too bad... I do not know how to do it
AdityaLesmana 02:12, 26 April 2006 
:Wikipedia is really not a directory of web resources.  You might have better luck starting a different wiki with that goal, or maybe suggest it over at Wikicities. --TeaDrinker 01:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scholarship Portal 

message: Can y'all take a look at College Scholarship Penalty? Can this information be sourced? Merged? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Scholarship issue

message: This article is focused only on scholarships within the USA, although it admits that some minority based scholarships may be available outside of it. The types section appears to be the worst - indicating that merit based scholarships are only granted as a result of American tests, and that only US institutions and companies offer other types of scholarships. --92.27.207.93 (talk) 21:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: USA orientated... if you're going to point out the American-centricism of this article, you might want to avoid using American-English: "oriented" is the American spelling of "orientated"; "focussed" is how "focused" is spelt (not "spelled") correctly in Britain. 
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===Merge with Bursary===
Merging this with bursary might eliminate some of these issues.
Chamberlian (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA oriented 

message: Merging this with bursary might eliminate some of these issues.
Chamberlian (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Bursary]]

message: Our oldest son is currently applying to universities.  This week, he received his first "academic, merit-based" scholarship OFFER.  I emphasize the word offer because the form that he must sign and return includes two choices:
:* "I accept this award"
:* "I decline this award"
We can't imagine why anyone would decline a merit-based scholarship, so we came to this Wikipedia page, looking for information on "responses to a scholarship offer".  As expected (unfortunately), the article does not include such information.
I'm "old school".  From my perspective, there's only one proper response to a scholarship offer--"Thanks".  However, the world seems to have developed into a place where everything is negotiable.  Our son's first scholarship offer is a "partial fee remission".  Maybe we could decline the award as a step in the negotiation process because we, of course, would prefer a full fee remission.  That behavior seems inappropriate and ungrateful to me, though.
In conclusion, I am requesting addition of a new section to this article on the topic "Responses to a Scholarship Offer".
ProResearcher (talk) 01:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responses to a Scholarship Offer 

message: Why no numbers? How much does an American grad-student get and how much do grad-students in England get etc.? Is it enough to make a living? Were scholarship higher or lower during the 1950s, 60s etc. (in comparison to other incomes, of course)? --193.175.206.234 (talk) 16:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  amount 

message: An unregistered editor left the following comment in the article: "(Random individual) I'm pretty certain this article needs far more information in regards to controversy and percentages of what students receive aid. I know it's obvious, but this stuff sounds a little 'incomplete.'" ElKevbo (talk) 18:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment moved from article

message: Scholarship may refer to the concrete noun meaning a bursary or alternatively to an abstract noun meaning the process or result of learning. The discussion here refers to the former definition. Bruce Graham (talk) 05:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Scholarship is not a bursary. Bursaries are need-based awards. Scholarships are merit-based award. deisenbe (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining scholarship 

message: I don't care to spend a lot of time on an article when everything I do (about 2500 characters this time) is reverted by @Bilby. I think some of his reversions are just plain wrong. (I have 7 years full-time experience in college financial aid in the United States.) I hope it's obvious, if you review the exchanges on this page and his reversions, that I know a lot more about the topic than he does. I'm not going to go finding references just to satisfy him (or anybody else). What I did was taken out, in my opinion making the article less clear and less informative than before, but keep it the way you want it. Won't inconvenience me.
If you'd like to see the article as I left it, before his reversions, here is the link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scholarship&oldid=705610607
deisenbe (talk) 21:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that you know a lot more about this than I do, which is why it is disappointing that you won't be working on it. Unfortunately, the need to add references is a core element of Wikipedia. - Bilby (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some of your wrong-headed (IMHO) reverts have nothing to do with sources. To "Types of scholarships" I added "in the United States", since the section deals only with the United States. I think it's helpful to tell the reader what is in a section, rather than the title of something you think it should talk about, but doesn't.  You took out my addition. deisenbe (talk) 00:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we know if those types of scholarships are exclusive to the US? Or are they generic types of scholarships, some of which might be US specific, and some of which might not? Man of those scholarships exist outside of the US, so perhaps we should keep that section open, but identify (if we can find sources) countries where the scholarships apply. Or perhaps we are better off not making any specific claims about where the scholarships apply, and instead leave that to separate country-specific section. - Bilby (talk) 00:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm not going to work on this article any more 

message: @Bilby, I would be remiss, even though I'm not planning anything, if I did not tell you that the article Scholarships as it now stands is almost entirely about scholarships in the United States, not scholarships in other countries.  It's misleading and unhelpful. deisenbe (talk)
:Why? What is US specific? It seems that most of the types of scholarships, as well as most if the sources, would apply anywhere. - Bilby (talk) 15:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what you're mistaken about. deisenbe (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I guess I'll just have to disagree. - Bilby (talk) 16:30, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I was trying to find the difference between fellowship and scholarship in USA, and found this article is very small and not as informative as I wished. Nonetheless, I think I can add to the discussion as I'm originally from a non-English speaking country where we have merit-based scholarships and I do not think that is strictly a US concept. We use a particular word ("bursa") to mean scholarship and then we classify them as "performance scholarship" (awarded to students with excellent results like prizes in international events like the Math Olympiad), "merit scholarship" (excellent grades in school or university) and simply "study scholarship" (to students who have a low household income -- decided based on the average income per person in a household in the last 3 months being under a certain amount & the student having at least a 7/10 GPA). Low income assistance for students with low grades is also available but that is not given through the school and is not considered a study assistance. In our case most education is publicly ran, so the laws regarding financial assistance handle grades 1-12 and undergrad studies in the same way. For us, there are other financial scholarships given to the "best students in the class". For eg, in my undergrad, participating in the Erasmus Program was decided by a group of professors in the department and given only to students with the best grades (the Erasmus Program is an EU exchange program where, for a few months, students live in a different country and study at a partner university). In the end, I think the concept of performance based awards is similar to the one in US, though the criteria for awarding it are different and can vary. Rozemarys (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think you're mistaken 

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It has become more prevalent today that scholarships are misconceived to have a discriminatory quality to them. For example, as demonstrated by student-specific scholarships, minorities are thought to have a priority over Caucasian students when it comes to receiving these scholarships.
 
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These beliefs are known to come from college students themselves who have been affected by their failures at obtaining adequate financial aid. Mark Kantrowitz, author of "Secrets to Winning a Scholarship", explains that the average family tends to overestimate its student's eligibility for merit-based awards and underestimate its eligibility for need-based awards. In turn, the most persistent target of this disapproval tends to be high-profile, minority-based scholarships.
 
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Most scholarships are based on merit or talent, without considering economic need or ethnicity. Since the economically privileged usually have better schools and more access to other educational resources, merit-based awards favor the economically privileged. While Caucasians account for 62% of full-time college students in America, they receive 76% of all scholarships. deisenbe (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have added a list of notable scholarships. All items have their own Wikipedia page but do add more if I have missed any.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pug of the day (talk • contribs) 14:50, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd actually argue that "List of notable scholarships" would be better as its own separate page. Within this page it doesn't add context to the general topic, and it serves as a big invitation for everyone to add a link to their own favorite scholarship to the list, as already happens from time to time in the "See also" section. Tdslk (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: List of notable scholarships added

message: This section clearly uses unsourced alt right rhetoric and far right views. The fact that there are no citations to back up this individuals outlandish claims is really quite telling. Can I take it out and replace it with an objective look on the purposes that scholarships serve in society.Pug of the day (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The section is hard to follow and doesn't add anything to the page. Tdslk (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I also agree. I am not an active contributor to this article but I was surprised when I found that section. I think it is fair to argue that most scholarships are uncontroversial and there is no need for that section. If a particularly notorious case of a scholarship controversy exists, then perhaps it would require its own Wikipedia entry. Sturgman (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Done.  I would welcome a section discussing relevant controversies in this article but the section that was just removed was barely sourced and clearly POV and OR. ElKevbo (talk) 22:02, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we remove controversies section please

message: The term "open scholarship" is used in mutliple biographical articles throughout Wikipedia. Does that term need to be defined here? How is an "open" scholarship more open than a "scholarship"? Also, the term "open scholarship" is also used in the context of Open Science, where it means "open access to scholarship" in the form of written research papers. Sfjohna (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Open scholarships