Talk:Bruno Mattei

message: Don Menard: I believe there is a mistake in Mr. mattei filmography: Land of Dead (2003) was directed by Georges Romero, and not Bruno Mattei!
His updated biography is available on http://www.nanarland.com/acteurs/Main.php?id_acteur=brunomattei and is more accurate than the imdb one.
I have just updated it, nevertheless, given the amazing amount of names used by Mr. Mattei, his filmography can be difficult to check and there could be other mistakes.
Reply: Correction.....The Mattei film listed here is called "LAND OF DEATH", not "LAND OF THE DEAD".
Note*** THe actual title of the Mattei film is "IN THE LAND OF THE CANNIBALS".  "LAND OF DEATH" was a variant title used in some countries. The Romero film was called "LAND OF THE DEAD"".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.168.166 (talk) 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: A wiki member who has been spitefully deleting all of my contributions to wikipedia for several years now has deleted the Bruno Mattei filmography that was on Mattei's wikipage for years. The filmography was 100% accurate, but he deleted it simply because I was involved in posting it. The page has actually been made less informative as a result. Why does wikipedia allow such spiteful vandalism? It's nothing more than bullying, and this type of spitefulness dissuades people from contributing to wikipedia. Is there anywhere I can turn for help in restoring the filmography? Please let me know. --Frank  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A few things , "accuracy" is not what is strived for, but Wikipedia:Verifiability, which in the previous one, was not found. If you'd like to restore the filmography, (which I encourage you to do), I'd suggest in help finding reliable sources to back it up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Most serious film study would not use IMDb as a source for the same reasons we do. See WP:RS/IMDb. I promise you, I'm not being spiteful, i'm trying to follow the rules of WP:VERIFY, which states "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that anyone using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." So I do not doubt you have a good knowledge of Mattei or any of his work, but you will still need to dig up actual sources. I would not suggest re-instating the previous list for a few reasons. 1) It was a bit of a mess with endless alternative titles. 2) It was unsourced. 3) Mattei has worked under countless names and identities, so we really need to back up what he did with sources. Per WP:BURDEN, "All content must be verifiable. The burden of demonstrating verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." In general, I do not think it is too bad to use IMDb as a kicking point, but try to confirm this information with reliable sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: This page has been vandalized just out of spite

message: This article has been classified as a stub. It needs more sourcing especially in English and expansion as to his films. Capitalistroadster 05:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub

message: Should we create a separate section for the Italian titles for Mattei's films? From what I know, he has not made any films outside Italy, so we can include an extra column for the Italian title. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. If we are going by DVDs from e-bay I'm not even sure though as these films often come from sources that may or may not be official. It's a tricky area. I think we can just discuss them and come up with solutions. As for the Eyes without a face title for example, I don't think it needs to be noted in the list as every major source I've found (both Curti's and Howarth's book) refer to it as Madness. I know the Louis Paul's book refers to all films by their Italian title, but that seems to be a choice for every film in the book, which works in that context but not in the "better known" title. It becomes harder when you get to the less popular titles of Mattei though. So I'd let's take it on one by one. Which should we discuss first? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a matter of finding out what is a common Italian title and films that do not have common English titles then. I think the ones you had were fine. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

text: That seems to be mixing and matching information. Does the book state information about these releases? or does it just go through his films? You are making it sound like there is no real release information in the book currently. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: Per discussion on the talk page of Mattei's Madness film, I'm having doubts if that new Mattei book states the release dates, or just has a copyright date next to the films. Would you be able to state specifically what it says? if it is just going saying something like "Virus (1980)", that does not really state what the source says per WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to be mixing and matching information. Does the book state information about these releases? or does it just go through his films? You are making it sound like there is no real release information in the book currently. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisit

message: Currently, we have tried to at least find sources that state when the film was released by a specific year. However, the recent addition of the Lupi and Gordiano book as well as the Louis Paul book seem to state a year in brackets but are not really specifically stating thats the year of release. This is not uncommon, as copyright dates can be funny and that is the usual go to, but Mattei's career is weird without much reasearch in when things were released. I've added the banner in the meantime. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, the filmography is becoming junky again as  has not been able to provide proof that the year of release that is listed in the book he has the original release year. Also, the continued addition of countless alternative titles is getting ridiculous. Use the most common title in the list. Remember! The point of the filmography is to list what films he has worked on and what he did and when the film was released. Not how many alternative titles you can find from obscure VHS releases to whatever. Use the most common title. If the user does not come forward to discuss the addition of the Mattei book's year of release, as he has not really confirmed that they are release dates with any quotes, context or anything, we shouldn't be applying those as sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

text: First of all, they weren't you kept adding UK titles, German titles, so don't claim I'm doing stuff I did not. I was thinking it was a good idea to stop the countless alternative titles. I've removed items you have worked on because either a) they weren't sourced. b) the sources were not reliable. or c) you sourced another wiki page. All of which is not allowed. And all these things being "common knowledge" to mattei fans, is not what the wikipedia article is about. You need a source. You have to back up your claims, which you have not been doing. You have yet to prove that the dates in the book you added are the earliest release dates and you change items (i.e: the Madness year) without even offering a source. That is totally counter intuitive. I'll suggest again, find sources and WP:STICKTOSOURCE, i.e: do not interpret something that is not actually be said. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography accuracy

message: I'm not going to argue what when Dangerous Attraction was made, but if we could get a source of when the film was released from the book that would be helpful . In other words, does it say when the film was released? If so, could you write the text and page number where it states this here? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Dangerous Attraction release year

message: After asking the editor constantly if they can confirm whether or not the dates in the Lupi book on Mattei correspond to a release date and not getting an answer, I've decided to Be bold and remove the dates. Until we get specific years of when these films premiered, I know it is not right to suggest that the films came out at specific times. If anyone can find years when these films were first released, please add them. Until then, do not.Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been no discussion about it, i've removed the template on the page. If the dates can be found, please add them. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

text: If you want to practice referencing sources. I'd suggest creating an account. That way you have access to a sandbox where you can test edit and learn how to use sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

text: To the average reader, neither film is important. This shows where his career started which would be important for any filmmaker. You have to find it notable, and not pick and choose what is being said. Personally I agree with you, it is interesting, but not really anything but trivial. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

text: "he probably wasn't interested in". That's a lot of original research. Which we don't include on wikipedia. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lupi source

message: I notice you left the titles in their correct order on the Bruno Mattei page and just wrote n/a on the ones that don't have a firm release date. Can't we do the same thing with the Umberto Lenzi filmography?  If you let me, I can put them in the right order and I will leave the n/a next to each one like you have it. I saved the list I used to have on the page, so I know the order of production.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: They honestly shouldn't be in any order as we have nothing to really suggest this. Find sources for the release dates. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about Lenzi filmography

message: Would Mattei be chuckling 🤭 that his movie (which is a rip off?) Hell of the Living Dead has actual footage used 2020 for the new film? Lol. Julietjones74 (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coronavirus the movie brought me here