Talk:Clement Clarke Moore

message: Shouldn't this page really be at Clement Clarke Moore?!  I've never heard him referred to as 'Clement Moore' without middle name. Quill 05:33, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: His only full-length biography is titled Clement Clarke Moore. Wetman 05:38, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good enough for me; I've moved it and fixed all the links Quill 03:28, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, the only thing he's known for (the poem he probably didn't write) is always credited to "Clement Moore". - Nunh-huh 03:33, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: Shouldn't this be more of a biographical page about Moore rather than an additional dispute about the authoriship of Twas the Night Before Christmas? CJJDay 21:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography 

message: For the person 'fairly offended' some time ago (14 years prior to this comment, I must note), according to a NYT article discussing an exhibit at the NY Historical Society, connecting his enslavement of others to his poem is not 'irrelevantly' as there is a document at the Society that places a slave as the operator of the sleigh itself. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/20/nyregion/celebrating-santa-s-birth-new-yorker-exhibition-honors-clement-moore-who.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.32.100 (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what the source says, it says " As one document at the Historical Society shows, Moore was a slave owner, and some historians have recounted a journey to the market to buy a Christmas turkey, the event said to have inspired the poem, in a sleigh driven by a slave." Doug Weller talk 14:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Moore and Slavery - a Slave helmed the sleigh in his famous poem

message: The article states that Livingston never claimed authorship of "A Visit From St. Nicholas." Livingston couldn't have claimed authorship. He  died before it was published. I vote for the removal or clarification of this statement. Graymornings 22:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Livingston as "Visit" claimaint 

message: The opening of this article violates the standard for articles.  A biography of a person—living or dead—should follow this format:
:John Doe (<date>–<date>) was a <insert nationality> <insert profession or notable role>.
This article doesn't state what Moore was (profession), just that he was perhaps the author of a famous poem.  From the rest of the information in the article, I can't tell what he did in life, other than maybe was some sort of clergyman.  Can someone clarify what he did in life, besides writing one poem? — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 17:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the info in an old version of the article.  Please expand if you know anymore about his life. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 17:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've expanded it a bit.  I was aware of the problem you describe in the lede, but the trouble is that Moore is really only notable for the fact that his huge inherited estate was developed into the neighborhood of Chelsea, and for the poem.  As far as I can tell his scholarship is not particularly noteworthy, although I guess it is what he "did".  He is basically a rich guy who got richer by devleoping the land he has given at birth. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Clement Clarke Moore was...?

message: Put material about his mother in girlhood in his early life. Makes separate section on "Marriage and family", as standard in bios. Reduce duplication of material - repetitive on land development, even same words.Parkwells (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganize some

message: I'm a relative novice to disputes on Wikipedia, so forgive any failures to adhere to any bylaws, statutes, dogmas, or dictums. 
The concluding paragraph of the introduction to the article reads "Scholars once debated the identity of the author, but the latest work proves definitively that Moore was not the author, but that Henry Livingston was." 
First of all, that's a torturously awkward sentence. But the greater concern is that the sentence presents a definitive conclusion (i.e., "proves definitively") about an ongoing debate, and fails to identify the evidence for this absolute and final conclusion, obliquely attributing it to "the latest work." Academics, as recently as 2016, continue to assert that Moore authored "The Night Before Christmas." There have been no intervening developments to suggest that the matter has been settled. If anything, the debate should be characterized as "ongoing," the way it's currently characterized in the "The Night Before Christmas" and "Henry Livingston" entries.
I propose to excise the "definitive conclusion." It doesn't seem like a controversial idea to me, but I'll give it a few days. You never know anymore, in an era where Wikipedia has become a battleground to "decide" "facts", rather than a resource from which to learn them.
ICHH 16 (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial Conclusion, Conclusion in Conflict With Related Entries 

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