Talk:Republic of Ireland/Archive 2

message: Being trying to get a proper discussion up and going on this subject for some time without any success, so I'm giving it a go here. My question is this: Since 1998 (as part of the Good Friday Aggreement) Ireland/the Republic of Ireland by referendum given up any and all claim to Northern Ireland as part of its national territory. So - does this mean that the Republic is in fact a United Ireland? All thoughts welcome. Fergananim
eh . . . no! A united Ireland would be . . . well, a united Ireland, made up of NI and the ROI. The ROI correctly removed its ludicrous Articles 2 & 3. It is however perfectly entitled to hope that one day there is a united Ireland. It just doesn't have to rely on loopy articles in the constitution that were more of a hindrance than a help. FearÉIREANN 18:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Republic of Ireland is United Ireland

message: Excuse my ignorance, but is it not the word "Eireann" that translates to English as "Ireland"? What is the origin of the word "Eire"? (08/04/2005 Unkempt Hair)
:"Éireann" means "of Ireland" that is "Irish". Irish grammar can get a bit confusing as we usually twist the rules if the word or phrase sounds awkward. For example the prefix for Irish naval vessels is L.E. or "Long Éireannach" which means "Irish Ship" while "the President of Ireland" is called "an t-Uachtarán na hÉireann".
:Éire comes from Ériu, a mythical goddess of the Tuatha Dé Danann. She was one of the 3 patron gods of Ireland.
::To be more precise, "Éireann" is just "Éire" in the Genitive case (the dreaded tuiseal ginideach).  "Éire" is the nominative case, and thus the name of the country is Éire.
:: The example of "twisting the rules" given above is not actually very apt.  "Long Éireannach" translates pretty directly as "Irish Ship", while  "Uachtarán na hÉireann" translates directly as "President of Ireland" - you could say "Uachtarán Éireannach", but this would mean "Irish president", which is not necessarily the same thing as "President of Ireland". --Ryano 17:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the literal translation of Poblacht na hÉireann ("Republic of the Irish") as whilst it may be the literal translation it is of academic interest at best here. Secondly it may give more confusion than is warranted as Poblacht na hÉireann is itself a translation of Republic of Ireland and the Irish term has no official santion (certainly no more than that of the English) - the literal translation is a footnote at best. Discussion welcome. Djegan 17:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Éire/Éireann

message: The country box had been changed, and ended up a mixture of the state name and its description.  Rather than merely revert I added both the name and the description.  Cumbersome, but the italics make comparison between languages easier, and the naming problem is the first section of the main article.
I changed head of government back to Prime Minister because this is the English term and is used in other countries' pages, unless the English term is translated (as in Germany, which uses Chancellor).  Bunreacht 28.5.1 also uses the term "Prime Minister", although only to say that the term "Taoiseach" will be used instead, and is not otherwise used in Ireland.  --garryq 07:24, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed "Poblacht na hÉireann" from the table - I believe it is merely a translation of the official English description – i.e. it's not an official term itself. It's not common, and is at any rate, in the first sentence in the article as a translation of the Republic of Ireland. Zoney 11:35, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The national and first official language is not used to produce mere translations of the "official English description".  Both terms are official, and if both official languages are too cumbersome to be used then neither should be, as the table is for official names and not descriptions.  The first section of the main article adequately describes the reasons for the nomenclature. --garryq 18:17, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Names