Talk:Bob Hoover

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message: "With the advent of camcorders, Hoover added a flourish to the act by pouring a cup of tea from a Thermos, while performing a slow aileron roll (a 1G maneuver). Video of this has been widely distributed, to the pleasure of Aero Commander enthusiasts." I'm not sure exactly when this famous sequence was shot, but I saw it the first time in 1966 (yeah, forty years ago!), so it has do be on 16 mm film, not video. The ice-tea is poured from a pitcher into a glass, not from a thermos into a cup. The manouver is a barrel roll, not an aileron roll. With an aileron roll there would have been ice-tea all over Bob and everywhere in the cockpit but in the pitcher or the glass! I don't want to remove this completely, but it has to be re-phrased in some way! --Towpilot 22:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: --Aviation enthusiast 14:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: The article needs Bob's list of crashes. When he was with North American, he was introduced as the pilot who could take a plane further into a crash than any other pilot. I think the count is over 100. Just another one of the guys who spent time working at NA(R) at LAX. 143.232.210.150 (talk) 19:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob's list of crashes 

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:Bob wasn't seriously injured in this accident, he flew the routine the next day in a Commander 114 - very impressive.
I deleted the comment from the article. Dolphin (t) 01:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: From May 1940 to the surrender of Nazi Germany, the Netherlands was definitely not "safety" for any American downed flier or escaped POW. The Nazis had as tight control of the occupied Netherlands as they had of Germany itself, and would have murdered Bob Hoover had they caught him.  A small part of the Netherlands was liberated by the Allies in the summer of 1944, which would have been possible, but that would require some clarification. He could have flown a stolen German aircraft to the Nazi-occupied part of the Netherlands and found his way to a Resistance network that might have smuggled him to safety somewhere else in Europe. Or did he fly off to Great Britain, which really was safe? The German Armed Forces did not surrender in  the Netherlands until the last week of the Second World War.
Some clarification would be appreciated. Pbrower2a (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how you come to this conclusion: Hoover was captured in Feb 1944 and spent approx 16 month in a POW camp (see ) Near the end of the war most of the Netherlands were already freed. By the time Hoover escaped, the Nazis only kept strongholds in the cities (see also David Barnouw (1999): De hongerwinter. S. 52, ). So this seem very plausible and the assumption is supported by sources.  Wo st 01 (talk | rate) 18:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feb 1944 + 16 months = June 1945. Perhaps the "approx 16 months" means 15 months. IF he was captured Feb 9 then 15 months later would have been May 9. WW2 in Europe ended 8 May although some fighting continued to 11 May. 165.120.79.237 (talk) 22:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am glad to see that someone has pointed out the glaring inconsistency to this thing about 16 months as a prisoner. The Germans left the prison camp on April 30th and it was liberated by the Soviet Army the next day. All of the prisoners in that camp we're flown out May 13th through 15th by The 91st Bomb Group in "Operation Revival" That had special meaning to my uncle John H Temple who was Bombardier aboard "Wheel n' Deal", 322nd Squadron 91st Bomb Group which was shot down December 3rd, 1944. That was 16 months. It's strange how something like this that can't mathematically be true is so widely accepted and repeated and still, nobody did the math. The Allies have been leafleting that part of Germany for at least a month before the Soviets got there. People in that camp knew the Soviets were coming. Just how long before the Soviets arrived did Hoover decide to escape.? For weeks they've been hearing the Soviet artillery. Who would have been dumb enough to try to escape weeks before or a month before or two months before the Soviets arrived? The truth of what Hoover actually did was even dumber than that. According to another prisoner in that camp, Hoover and the two others left the camp after the German soldiers had left and after the Soviets had already arrived. He did not Escape captivity by the Germans. It was not a prison escape. He simply decided he didn't want to wait for the Americans or the British to get them out. Which happened in less than two weeks. I got to tell you this dulls the shining reputation of Hoover. He has allowed this myth to be part of his story. The Russians were not guarding the prison in the same manner as the Germans. How hard would it be to go over the wire? And how stupid? He ends up in a damaged FW190 with no parachute and flies by dead reconning to the Netherlands. Could that kind of judgment be why he ended up in the kind of group? They didn't want him to fly combat at all. He was a test pilot had demonstrated great flying skills and yet a colonel who had seen his demonstrations refused to assign him. I think more than one officer above him thought his stunt flying skills didn't make up his lack of judgment and his risk-taking. That is reflected in his decision to walk away from the prison camp into Germany and didn't even know where he thought he could go. I don't suppose anybody here is going expose destroy the myth. Jackhammer111 (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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message: The Wehrmacht withdrew from Stalag Luft 1 in the night April 30, 1945 and the camp was subsequently evacuated between 13 and 15 of May. Being taken prisoner on February 9, 1944, Hoover therefore couldn't have spent 16 month in captivity. Even when calculating with 64 weeks instead of the full 16 month (and assuming he was transfered there on the very day of his capture), the time spent at Stalag Luft 1 would have lasted until May 2nd, which does not match the story of his escape.
I don't have any relevant literature at hand but a quick google search revealed these conflicting numbers on several sites. Taking into account the given precise date of his capture, I reckon the duration of captivity was rounded up generously.
--Zwischennetz (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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message: Bob Hoover attended USAF Test Pilot School class 1946c, and subsequently attended US Navy Test Pilot School class 6. Tpsnugget (talk) 02:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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message: Prisoners of war are not properly referred to as “inmates”, they are POWs. 12.74.62.9 (talk) 02:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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