Talk:Apple–Intel architecture

message: should there be some discussion of the branding of Intel on Apple computers? all Dells ship with Intel stickers on the case and box, do Apple computers now have the same?Romansanders 22:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they don't. Guy Harris 01:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Branding

message: I created this article to discuss the Apple-Intel architecture in general, there had been some discussion on the MacBook Pro article on whether the machine would run other operating systems than Mac OS X (like Windows), such a discussion really belongs in a general article since both the new iMac and MacBook Pro share a very similar setup hardware wise, so anything running on one of them almost certanly can run to at least some extent on the other (and this'll apply even more as more machines are released). —Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 16:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: "Being able to use software that is designed only for, works faster on, or is more intuitive on Mac OS X (for example, Adobe Photoshop)."
I take issue with this, I think Photoshop is a bad example because:
1. it is not designed only for osx
2. it does NOT work faster on osx
3. it is not any more intuitive on osx
I would suggest putting Final Cut Pro or Logic in there instead, and have amended accordingly.
: Heck, One report  has Apple's computers running the WIndows version of Photoshop better than 'designed for Windows' equivalent PC notebooks.  I don't think a separate article is necessary.  After all, there is no 'Linux on Mac hardware' article, even though there are commercial organizations that support this.  Ehurtley 01:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been thinking of removing most of that section; seems to me that it can be replaced with something short like "By installing Windows XP on a Macintosh, users who want/need to run both operating systems can do so using a single computer". Thue | talk 08:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That whole section should go - there is a BootCamp page it links to with all the relevant information and a discussion about the benefits of multi-booting is important doesn't belong here either. DamienG 14:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running operating systems other than Mac OS X 

message: Contrary to what the article says, Microsoft has not stated that they will port Virtual PC to Intel Macs.  The linked article actually says: 
:"We have a commitment to understanding what VPC will look like on the Intel Mac. But until we have the final hardware we can't know what Virtual PC will look like on those machines," Lefebvre said. "There are dependencies with the OS and the hardware. Until we know what the final hardware is like, it's difficult to know how it will work," she concluded."
That's a long way from a commitment to release an Intel-Mac version of Virtual PC.  Aranhamo 19:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Microsoft made a commitment today - to no longer develop Virtual PC for Mac.  Aranhamo 21:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual PC 

message: "OpenOSX WinTel is just Q renamed and sold without giving anything back to the original developer, not even credit for their work."
Can you prove that?  And even if it's true, does that mean that people reading the wikipedia article should not allowed to be aware of its existence?  I'd bet that whoever owns OpenOSX probably would dispute your claim (I have no idea if it's true or not).  It's a virtualization solution that's available, so it should be mentioned.  Aranhamo 19:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OpenOSX WinTel and Q are both ports of QEMU.  OpenOSX WinTel is sold under the GPL, according to their website.  Since your assertion that "OpenOSX WinTel is just Q renamed" is false, I'm putting the mention back in the article.  If you think that OpenOSX is doing something wrong in their marketing of WinTel, maybe you should add a mention to the Q article, or create a WinTel article (since it looks like there isn't one yet).  Aranhamo 19:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No.  You still haven't given any reason why WinTel should not be mentioned in this article.  It is not "Q repackaged", but it is based off of some of the same code.  Q has a different set of features than WinTel, while WinTel has superior performance.  If WinTel was simply a commercial repackaging of Q, then they would have the same features and performance.  Can you give any good reason why WinTel should not be mentioned?  Are you the final arbiter of which virtualization solutions get mention in wikipedia, so that you can exclude WinTel just because you don't like them?  You're obviously biased against WinTel and toward Q.  I don't use either, nor any other virtualization solution, and I don't see any reason why WinTel should not be mentioned in the article.  And so far, all you seem to have come up with is that you don't like the WinTel developers because you think they ripped off Q.  If there is some kind of dispute about that, it belongs in the Q or WinTel articles, not here.  Merely deleting any reference to WinTel because you don't like them is called "censorship".  I guess it's not possible to have even one NPOV article on wikipedia, even on a technical subject.  wikipedia is such a sham; you can have it.  Aranhamo 07:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I can see no reason to exclude a particular product, though Wikipedia isn't a catalogue. One key point, however, is that this WinTel thing doesn't have a Wikipedia article, while Q does. References to things with articles are always preferable. Of course, that does lead to the suggestion that there be an article created for the other software; if there are properly sourced criticisms of its provenance, that is the place to document them. Notinasnaid 10:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I may just be misattributing quotes, but didn't you say "not even credit for their work", and now you indicate that their web site gives two specific credits? And what is wrong with creating a GUI for an open source product? Notinasnaid 18:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: So is Wikipedia policy to only list free software, but not commercial packaging of that software we don't approve of? This discussion is full of moral judgements. Notinasnaid 10:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OpenOSX 

message: In a recent article  Amit Singh not only claims that the latest Mac models don't have a TPM chip, but that Apple never actually used it for anything. Lars T. 17:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trusted Platform Module 

message: Bapco (and un disambiguated link) is in See Also - what has this to do with Apple-Intel? Is it spam? --LeedsKing 01:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disambiguated it.  I assume the theory is that 1) Apple is one of the members of the BAPCo consortium and 2) they did it either because you can run Windows on an Intel Mac (native or in emulation) or because the hardware is more comparable with IBM PC compatibles, so they joined for reasons that are a consequence of switching to x86.  I'm not sure it's all that strong an argument for its inclusion, however.... Guy Harris 02:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BapCo ??!

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Core2duomac.jpg

message: The only difference is that Apple allows macOS itself to run as a guest on some hypervisors, such as VMware Fusion and Parallels Workstation; other than that, it's pretty much the same type of virtualization you can get on Windows and Linux and, for some hypervisors, other OSes.  I'm not sure why it deserves a discussion here. Guy Harris (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In what way is virtualization on a Mac different from virtualization on any other x86 machine? 

message: What sources can be found that it's called Apple-Intel architecture, and moreover "Mactel." I found a few publications referring to it as such, but never anything official from Apple. In fact, it seems Apple prefers to gloss over CPU architecture entirely, which makes sense given their status amongst the community.
I considered emailing Apple about this directly, but I cannot find an applicable address on their website. Silvanathecat (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for the name