Talk:HMAS Hobart (D 39)

message: I've recently learned from an old salt one of Hobarts early-career nicknames: The Green Ghost of the Vietnam Coast. The short form of the nickame (Green Ghost) is verified in image captions at the RAN webpage for the ship, but I'm hoping to track down a stronger cite that prefereably gives the full title, andor the origin of the nickname (US sailors observing that RAN "battleship grey" had a green tinge when compared to USN "battleship gray") before adding anything to the article. Any help in tracking these fun facts down would be greatly appreciated. -- saberwyn 06:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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message: Are we now going to "desex" all ships articles? The tradition of using the word "she" when referring to a ship has many centuries of history behind it. I, for one, don't approve of the sudden change in articles that refer to a ship or vessel as "she". It is totally unnecessary and would request that you reconsider your edit. You have contributed much to the Vietnam era articles in the MILHIST project and I thank you for that. Cuprum17 (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Cuprum17 My understanding was that "she" should not be used, however looking at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Pronouns and this discussion:  it appears that she or it is acceptable. Mztourist (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Cuprum17. We must respect a many-centuries-of-history Tradition as United States Naval Institute explain at Why We Call a Ship a She. Leemyongpak (talk) 16:00, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all, read the naming conventions and discussion that I cited. Mztourist (talk) 10:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I already checked, and have just checked again: Either usage is acceptable. Royal Australian Navy also call HMAS Hobart (II) a She throughout this article HMAS   Hobart   (II), so It is totally unnecessary to de-sex  all ships articles as Cuprum17  said. Leemyongpak (talk) 11:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted everything per WP:SHE4SHIPS, either usage is acceptable but established usage should be maintained unless theres good reason and prior discussion about changing. Also lost were the good link changes Lyndaship (talk) 11:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And what is the point of doing that and as you note losing the good link changes? I have reinstated my changes and as you are all so troubled by changing she to it, will take the 2-3 minutes to reinstate a few shes. Mztourist (talk) 12:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To restore the article to the state before your error and give you the chance to fix it. There is a second sentence in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Pronouns "As with all optional styles, articles should not be changed from one style to another without clear and substantial reason" Lyndaship (talk) 14:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You clearly regarded retaining "she" as being more important than the numerous other improvements I made to the page, your undo was lazy. Mztourist (talk) 15:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Lyndaship (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  She