Talk:Amagasaki derailment

message: It is not clear what kind of "Automatic Train Protection" system was installed on this line. ATP would have restricted the speed of the train around the sharp curve to a safe speed.
Tabletop 03:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In the Waterfall train disaster the speed of the train rose and rose and rose approaching a very sharp curve.
It derailled on that curve killing 7 (the train was fairly empty).
The passengers noticed the increase in speed, and while they may have had a telephone to talk to the guard, none did to complain.
The guard ought to have known about the sharp curve.
The guard could have applied the brakes, but did not.
Guards are entitled to apply the brakes when there are strange noises and things, under the "stop and inspect" rule.
At Waterfall, there is only the Automatic Train Stop system, no ATP.
Tabletop 11:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities with Waterfall Accident 

message: An October 2008 Daily Yomiuri article notes the number of injuries as 562 unlike the wikipedia article.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20081011TDY02303.htm
Also noted in the article, the Public Prosecutor's office has been questioning the JRWest president and searching the offices for materials and evidence. --219.108.24.231 (talk) 10:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of injured 

message: The article fails to mention that the accident train and line were narrow gauge (1067mm), which was likely the ultimate cause of the disaster! In case of Stepenson gauge (1432-1435mm) or russian wide gauge, the track in the bends can be laid with an "Indianapolis oval" type tilt, so that trains can safely negotiate them at high speed.
(The tilting of tracks in bends is not possible on the narrow gauge, because the trainset's center of balance easily goes outside of the 1067mm gap between the two rails. Therefore any train arriving at low speeds would statically tip over, much like the famous tower of Pisa.)
Therefore Japan shall convert all of its train lines to standard or wide gauge in order to avoid similar accidents in the future! 91.82.32.1 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you believe so, insert that info yourself. The more info, the best. But don't forget to include a source, otherwise I myself shall remove it. But I gotta tell you that I haven't seen anything like that. I don't know if you're familiarized with the TV show Seconds From Disaster, but that's the documentary where I saw the investigation of this accident. And there, they mentioned nothing about the gauge of the curve. They actually said, if I'm well-remembered and got it right, that the radius of the curve had been reduced years earlier from 600 to 304 degrees (narrowing it). But this radius and the gauge had, in my opinion, few to do with the crash, because, as I saw, the train was 1.5 times faster than the speed limit. The speed limit (70 km/h) had obviously been calculated based on the gauge and the radius. However, the ultimate reason was obviously the fact that the train was going faster than 106 km/h, which is the speed on which, a train going faster than it would derail. That's what happened. He was going at 116 km/h, probably distracted and stressed about the punishments he would receive for having previously committed other 2 mistakes. Neither the speed limit or the line gauge are to blame, but the severity of retraining programs, which led a driver to stress, and eventually to disaster. That's the true reason. -- Sim(ã)o(n) * Wanna talk? See my  efforts? 12:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little in Japan 

message: English excerpt: http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-rail_report/RA2007-3-1en.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9B8lYSv
Final report in Japanese: 
* Index: http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/bunkatsu.html - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BcRfld
* Cover page: http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9Bf2J2J
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-1.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9Biw3Go
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-2.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BrEQIA
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-3.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BypCJC
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-4.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9C4FyPm
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-5.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CBefmt
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-6.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CNe43c
* http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-7.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CTihKf
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thread_title:  Final report files 

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replies: text: Amagasaki derailment →  – In the Japanese version, it is a JR福知山線脱線事故(English:JR Fukuchiyama Line derailment), and it is better to unify it. H.K.pauw (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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