Portal talk:Taiwan/Archive 4

message: :Allow me to comment, if you will, as an outsider, who has limited knowledge of the ins and outs of chinese politics. When I first came to this portal, I knew that Taiwan belonged to a china, but didn't have a clue which one, or what sorts of international relations they had. However, by coming here, I quickly found out all I needed to know. People coming here would do the same, find out that this portal is only about Taiwan, and go to Portal:ROC if they wanted to. Personally, I would be happy with Taiwan Island, Taiwan Province, or jst pain old Taiwan. I know that Taiwan on it's own has political implications, but so does Taiwan province to some people (pro inderpendance users for example). I think that it is best to wait for the RfC, and see what the community has to say. 
:Also, Chiang, I am sorry that you feel that people are accusing you of not compromising. I, for one, never meant for any comments that I made here to come across like that. However, I do feel that both you and Nrtm81 don't wish to compromise with one another, even though you have both put forward acceptable suggestions. The problem is that the suggestions are not exceptible to neither of you. This is why I feel it is a must to have community imput on this. The Halo (talk) 15:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should just live with it. Taiwan Province, Republic of China is the correct term for the current island of Taiwan and Penghu. That is the name. We can't satisfy everyone. We should just put forward the correct term. They can be offended by it, but it's their problem. That is the correct term. It is not politicizing anything. We are just using the correct and precise term. -Chiang Kai-shek 16:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chiang Kai-shek, if you force us to file an RFAR against you as recommended by the arbitrator you could lose a lot more than two characters.  You would almost certainly lose your name, which he noted violates Wikipedia policy.  You could lose your right to rename the page, and Nrtm81 would be able to name it anything he wants.  Ideogram 17:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, let's try and keep a cool head here. Chiang, saying 'They should just live with it' isn't helping anyone, is it? The correct term for portal:United Kingdom would be Portal:United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. However, no one is going to put that into the search box, because it is not known as that most commonly. This is why wikipedia naming conventions state that articles etc should be known by there most common name. Why not just go for Taiwan (Island)? Seeing as you're not happy with Portal:Taiwan, and Nrtm81 isn't happy with Portal:Taiwan Province, ROC, why not name it something in between? Something that can be accepted by both parties. The Halo (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As an American of Chinese descent from Taiwan (not Taiwanese), I have absolutely no problem with the Portal:Taiwan name. Taiwan is the name of the geographic location. It is also politically neutral. I do not see it as pro-Taiwan independence.  The fact of the matter is that most of the world refers to Taiwan as Taiwan. Even Chinese people from Taiwan (not Taiwanese) call it Taiwan. Trying to say Taiwan is incorrect and that "Taiwan Province, ROC" is the correct is ridiculous on its face. It is analogous to insisting that Portal:Texas be renamed "Portal:Texas State, USA". While technically accurate, so is Texas, which is a lot less stilted. The user with the clearly political name is injecting political POV into something simple. --JohnDO|Speak your mind 00:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Mediation

message: Why did you remove the wikimedia box?  There are some useful links there.  Ideogram 11:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh sorry ^^; Well you put it back :-) — Nrtm81 12:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikimedia box 

message: Geography portals don't belong on a Political portal.  And, most of them are redlinks.  I recommend you move the valid ones to Portal:Taiwan.  Ideogram 12:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Roger. — Nrtm81 12:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography portals in Portal:ROC 

message: Why do you have the text at 95% in the Categories box?  I don't like it; text is already too small on my monitor.  Ideogram 12:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, I copied the code from Portal:Switzerland :-) — Nrtm81 12:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  95% text