Talk:List of English words of French origin

message: --216.48.138.32 (talk) 15:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

message: How many of these newly-added words are really from Latin and not from French?  RickK 00:13, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Many words of that list are, I'm sure, not french words and not even words entered in English language through the French language or with the french meaning. I'm speaking about words that certainly were knowns in "Britani"a during the Roman Empir;e long before there was French language and that we can find in ancients writs of the antiquity.
For instance:
*The names of the months
*Medical: from the latin medicus
*Nepotisme: from the italian nepotismo, the policy of privileging nephews from cardinals of the Roman Catholic church
*Mendacius: from the latin mendax
*Omnipotens: from the latin omnipontens
*Rome: It seems to me that Rome existed before France and certanly people i Britania listened to speak about it.
*Occident: is the participle of the verb occidere = to kill, and described the side in wich the sun finish its daily life
*Patrician
And many others
It seems to me, frankly, that many of these words have being put here with a "gallocentrique" spirit, that wants to see French influence everywhere they see.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.78.232 (talk) 08:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistakes?

message: I noticed this list uses various ways of commenting the origin of the word. I think we should standardize it and make it more "dictionary like". I suggest this one syntax:
Example:
Nation [Middle English nacioun, from Old French nation, from Latin natio, from natus, past participle of nascere, meaning "to be born".] (Compare contemporary French nation.)
I welcome all comments. There may be reasons not to go forward this way. I would certainly like to know before I start going over the list... ;-)
-- Mathieugp 05:36, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. We should not have the multiple inflections of the same word as different elements of the list. -- Mathieugp 00:28, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Any English word is one that speakers of English use to share equal meaning, such as the term "a la carte," which I believe rarely takes the accent in a standard menu. Of course, a fancy or pricier restaurant with a maitre d might have the accent. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociolinguistics#Covert_prestige
This article here does not currently address which words are high-prestige French borrowings so retain their "Frenchiness" versus the words that have been completely nativized (like mustard), so have no other term in English and use English phonology and spelling. I have observed but not yet published in print that American nativizations differ markedly from those done by English speakers elsewhere. (The American ones are more likely to glom onto the spelling and phonology of the borrowed word.)MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Adieu and à la carte get used in English a lot.  Bon voyage less so, though it is used perhaps almost as much as adieu.  Beaux arts I've never heard, but I wouldn't put it past English speakers to use them.  The Jade Knight (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Concur. Especially à la carte: can be seen on more fancy restarant(which I think is also a French word)s' menus. -121.166.117.130 (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would go by the usual pronunciation.  That would make bon voyage and perhaps beaux arts French but adieu (a dew) English. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Some of these words are true french and not used in the english language by people who do not understand french or at least  I feel so

message: Currently, this page is only spottedly wikified - should perhaps every word be linked to articles?  Should they be linked to Wikipedia or Wikitionary articles?  I think we should have all of them link to the Wikitionary definitions. - Stillnotelf 20:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinkage 

message: It seems that the inclusion of the actual word list in the article is disputed.  I agree that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, etc.  However, this list provides information above that of a dictionary, including Wiktionary.     The Wiktionary category Wiktionary:Category:French derivations provides a mere list of derived words.  This article provides additional information on entymology.  Although ideally this list should probably be part of Wiktionary, at the moment this seems to be the only place the information is available, so I think it should remain while this is the case. -  Thejesterx 16:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? If you click on each entry in Wiktionary, it will lead to a separate page for that entry, where an even fuller etymology is possible, and often already present. You didn't even bother to check Wiktionary's potential, but I will agree to allow the list to linger till it is transcribed into Wiktionary. Alexander 007 16:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, clicking each word will take you to the definition, including etymological information, I meant that this list is different as all the information is in one place.  Plus, it currently covers far more words than the Wiktionary category.  I agree that this list should not ideally be here, and will probably be removed when it is available elsewhere.  I just think we'd be losing information by removing it at the moment.  Perhaps a vote should be taken, the one taken for List of Greek words had many opinions from both sides. - Thejesterx 16:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Thejesterx's argument that "at the moment this seems to be the only place the information is available". If someone wanted to do the job of categorizing, in Wiktionary, all the words that appear in this list, then I guess we could remove the in-article list. -- Mathieugp 18:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

text: We seem to agree that in the future the list should be transferred to Wiktionary. We should stick by this. But as long as the list is put up, somebody may come by and add more words to it, which would just drag out the process. I really believe that the list should be eliminated in the future, and the article should be framed in the manner of English words of Greek origin. Alexander 007 02:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of word list 

message: I don't know much about Wikipedia bots, but I imagine it should be fairly simple to make one to scan down this list, and add all the words on it to the appropriate category in the Wiktionary.  This could be applied to all similar lists, eg look back to the history of the Greek list etc.  Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?  -  Thejesterx 08:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That actually sounds very complex, and I would be surprised if that's possible. Alexander 007 08:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Hey dude, I just discovered something: many of those words are already ready to be listed, you just have to add the Category:French derivations to each word in Wiktionary. I just went to the Wiktionary abandon entry, added the French Derivations category, and voilá, it was added to the list. Alexander 007 08:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good news, sounds easy but tedious.  I'll still look into an automated system. - Thejesterx 09:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot? 

message: This list makes no distinction between Norman and French!  This is a great etymological problem, and by lumping Norman in with French, only serves to confuse people.
For example: Catch comes from Norman, Chase from French. Warranty from Norman, Guaranty from French. Castle, Mug, Mutton, Beef (etc.)… all these came from Norman, not French. On the other hand, many other later Latinate borrowings come from French (such as "corps").  The Jade Knight 20:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Norman is essentially old French (Langue d'oil) or a dialect thereof, I'm not sure what you mean here. Stating that "warranty" comes from "Norman" while "guaranty" comes from "French" seems completely arbitrary to me. Merriam Webster defines the origin of both words as "anglo-french" (ie Anglo-Norman) for instance. 82.231.41.7 21:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mirriam webster is not exactly well-informed when it comes to Historical Linguistics in English.  There's no arbitrariness to it: Norman underwent different sound changes than French.  In certain dialects of Norman (including those imported in England) gu- became w-.  This is not true of French.  The difference is obvious in the words "chase" and "catch"; these two words mean virtually the same thing in French (chasser) and Norman (cachi), respectively, and have the same origin > in French, the ca- initial syllable shifted to cha-, whereas in Norman, the end of the root shifted to -ch-, where it did not do so in French.  The Jade Knight (talk) 12:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mix of French and Norman! 

message: this naked list is useless, or to put it bluntly, stupid. 
What this article needs is an encyclopedic account of the history of French-to-English loans. --dab (𒁳) 11:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: rewrite

message: Should this article be split up by letter, since it is not sortable?--Jax 0677 (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Article? 

message: The pie chart adds to 100%, but neologisms don't seem to fit any of the categories shown, although they account for a significant and growing proportion of the English language. I'm thinking of Internet, laser, e-mail, CB-er, bitcoin, hassle, twerk, etc.<BR><B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neologisms 

message: The list shows months borrowed from French as including November and December. Seriously not even close. The Ides of March were the start of the new year. The year used to end in February. If you were going to add an extra day to the year wouldn't you put it at the end of the year. Yes and that is what we did. We added it to February. So the year started in March and after August the Romans ran out of emperors to name the months after. They just numbered the months. In Latin 7 is Septem, 8 is Octo, 9 is Novem and 10 is Decem. Hence the 7th month is September, 8th is October, 9th is November and 10th is December. These aren't French!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.184.76 (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin is not French 

message: I'm considering putting this up for WP:AfD.  The article is a mess and the solitary source is a promotional page.  Anyone got good reasons why not AfD?  The Jade Knight (talk) 04:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Considering AfD 

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