Talk:Pan-Africanism

message: Shouldn't there be some mention of the Pan-African conferences?  Perhaps an entire section devoted to them? Calder 17:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The suggestion to merge this article with Afrocentrism is absolutely absurd.  Afrocentrism is a paradigm for the study of history and a particular world-view about how human history has unfolded.  Pan-Africanism is a sociopolitical ideology and a general framework for real-world change.
Further, this article needs major work.  IMO, the earlier definition which I contributed some time ago is certainly far superior to the one that currently stands.  In editing the first few paragraphs, which limited the diasporic peoples encompassed by the term to the descendants of African slaves, I came to realize, "Hey, I've been here before."  I went back and read my earlier edits -- which address the important issues which gave rise to the concept itself (and which are inexplicably and completely absent from the present version). 
What a difference!
To divorce the movement from the objective historical, political, economic and societal circumstances which gave rise to it makes absolutely no sense.  If you must edit an article, please take care to improve it -- not just replace someone else's words with your own.  I know that all pieces on this website are essentially works in progress, but this article is a piece crap and needs major work.  Unfortunately, by and large, the current version is not an improvement upon earlier edits.
Because I would prefer to have this piece framed by black people (and others) who are already knowledgeable about and interested in pan-Africanism, I will not put this on the list of articles for improvement -- yet.  But if the abjectly sucky, crapitude of this piece isn't substantially altered in the next few weeks, I certainly will do so.  And God knows what will happen to it then! :p  deeceevoice 09:44, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?  Ridiculous!  But this piece needs major improvement

message: I second deeceevoice - 1) no merging of this article; 2) the changes proposed by deeceevoice will be beneficial to this article's width and depth. 
I propose adding a sideboxes with Pan-African flags (home & abroad) and pictures of prominent figures - I will wait 2 weeks for comments/suggestions before actioning. Also intend adding paragraph re: OAU / AU.
212.159.17.143 13:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article development 

message: *Merge Pan-African into Pan-Africanism.  There should also be an article on Pan-African studies.  Badagnani 00:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: have a look at this "the green standing for the vegetation of the Black races' African motherland and the black for African descended people themselves." what is it trying to say? Why dont the pan-Africanist clean up this site? --Halaqah 14:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Very poor standard

message: ok it was a pain to look at, a poor reflection of the title. now i bet the "pan-Africanist" will come an attack me, they dont see what ur trying to do, no they attack and find some accusation to discredit the work.anyway keep it clean it needs ref, and it should be objective, not emotional. --Halaqah 15:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CLEANNED UP, KEEP IT CLEAN

message: However, much evidence is still required to determine whether Ge'ez is a language native to Africa or whether it was under the influence of the extinct Southern Arabian script.
The above was deleted by me, i put it here to curb this kind of thinking. Southern Arabian doesnt imply not African, why must we debate in such a limited geographical realm, even if Ge'ez was Southern Arabian it doesnt mean "not African" I have to point you to a valid discussion as i am not qualified although i read and write Ge'ez a little Discussion about Arabic influence on Ethiopian
--Halaqah 16:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ge'ez

message: I reworded a lot of things to make them clearer, and did a bit of my own research to make things more accurate, but I still had a bunch of questions that I didn't know how to answer.  I'll stick them here and cross-link a bit, and hopefully some other people who know more about Pan-Africanism can answer them.
*In Pan-Africanism#Origins:
**by the end of the eighteenth century a political movement developed across the Americas, Europe and Africa which sought to weld these disparate movements into a network of solidarity putting an end to this oppression.  Did this political movement have a name?  Was this a mission of  Sons of Africa, or is Sons of Africa just one of many groups recruited into this larger network?
**I added a short blurb about the origins of modern Pan-Africanism, but it could use some more information.  Currently it only mentions the first Pan-African conference, but if there were any definitive books about Pan-Africanism published around the 1880s-1900s, they could be mentioned here as well.
*In Pan-Africanism#Concepts:
**The information on past Pan-African organizations should probably go into its own, expanded section, but I left it here for now.  If you scroll down to the end, I mention this more in my last section.
*In Pan-Africanism#Key Figures:
**I put in a short, out of date list, but more people (either everyone listed in the talkbox or 10-15 truly key individuals) and more information on each individual should be added.  I can work on that very slowly, but as I've said, this isn't my area of expertise, and reading up on every person and then trying to figure out who's key and who isn't would take me a very long time.
*In Pan-Africanism#Academics:
** I think more information on Pan-African studies should be added.
*In Pan-Africanism#Political Parties and Organizations
**I'm really unclear on why these organizations in particular are listed; I get that they're all currently functioning, but why isn't Uhuru Movement, for example, listed?  I'll add it tomorrow if no one else has, but there are probably other influential Pan-African organizations out there that need to be added, but that I don't know about. Added. --Jetamors 00:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some revisions, and several questions

message: Helo everyone! You may be interested in checking out Africana womanism. Thank you! The Ogre (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Africana womanism 

message: Apart from the section on Origins, it seems like a shopping list of famous people and famous or infamous organizations. Almost like a disconnected trivia page on Pan-Africanism. 
* Where is the African Union in this article? (2 minor references)
* Where is the Pan-Africanism today?
* the problems facing Pan-Africanism? 
* Arguments for an against
* Role of Bob Marley, Garvey, Malcolm X, Ghadaffi in Pan-Africanism, as oppose to a shopping list of their names
An expert that can expand and develop the article is necessary. And that shopping list of Pan-Africanist needs to be deleted and merged into the history and development of Pan-Africanism, because it is just lazy to have names disconnected. If they are Pan-Africanist then put them in their historical place in the body of the story of Pan-Africanism. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because the article is poor quality doesn't mean add content without reference. Treat African History with the respect other sections on wikipedia are treated BY Using References and sources.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 13:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: POOR QUALITY | EXPERT NEEDED

message: The views of Pan-Africanism in America do not belong in the LEDE, See wiki lede for more info. We have Brazil,  the Caribbean and guess what Africa with Pan-Africanism. So how does an Ethnic minority opinion which talks more about Afrocentrism get into the lede? The sources are about Afrocentrism not necessarily Pan-Africanism. Afrocentic Pan-Africanism is a sub-topic here that is where it belongs. We have over 54 nations under the AU and this POV is weak at best as it relates to Pan-Africanism. I do not see any Seats at the AU for America. So how does the opinion of two European authors get into the Lede as it relates to Afrocentrism based upon their own ignorant assumptions of Pan-Africanism. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 15:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I quote: 
* "some Pan-Africanism in Africa" Only some, are you really sure?
* "Most Pan-African books are written in the USA"  
Do you think they would be more Pan-Africanist in Africa or in America? Is Bill Cosby and Sharpton Pan-Africanist? What about Cornell West and Vanessa Williams. What percentage of the Pan-African world do the few African-Americans constitute to Pan-Africanism? And how many people hold the opinion uncerimonusly inserted into the LEDE? is that not un-due weight? And bias? The opinion of anti-Afrocentrics who still do not know the difference between Afrocentrism and Pan-Africanism. Let me explain PAN and AFRICAN ISM (the ideology of Pan- African). Like commun ISM. The failure of Grass roots Pan-Africanism is a book you grabbed from google (did it come up on the top page?)Is the autor talking about Afrocentrism? is the word even in his article? Most Pan-Africanist are not Afrocentrics. And many Afrocentrics have no interest in Pan-Africanism some of them are Black Nationalist in America. Feel free to continue to edit the article as an expert on Pan-Africanism. You may want to deal with the writings of this man Konari and the few books Nkrumah wrote. I now realize what you are saying Nkrumah was not a Pan-Africanist He was a Pan-African organizer. I think you are making my argument for me. Yes you are more qualified on ALL of these topics despite my 5 year history editing here. Out of the blue you decide to change the LEDE to suit an argument on Pre-Colonial Africa. A few hours ago you told me your agenda was not Political. Take a look at your edits to poor Obenga now what did he do to deserve that?--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: WIKI LEDE undue weight and not worldview

message: It is easy angry to get annoyed at this article, it is  missing a lot of content. It is basically empty. But do not make it worst by adding our opinion (even if that opinion is correct). And do not delete referenced material (the little referenced material we do have). Do the research and use the Talk Page to make the article better. And No, Wikipedia is not a reference.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 08:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourced material only 

message: Both tags have no justification in the talk page. Worldview, I do not see how that is an issue. It deals with Pan-Africanism in Barbados, Africa and America and the UK. Primary sources, CNN, et all are not primiary sources. Plus it is a specialist topic so the volume of sources will be like that.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two tags Worldview and Primary source 

message: A passage was added claiming that "sometimes the green, gold, and red of the Ethiopian flag are used as the colors of the Pan-African movement" . While it is true that the Ethiopian flag's colors has inspired and been adopted by various Pan-African organizations and groups, the Ethiopian flag itself, like many other world flags that feature this particular combination of colors, was not historically conceived with Pan-African idealogy in mind. The cited CIA link does not indicate that it was either, nor does it mention Pan-Africanism . The other Walta link is likewise inaccessible for verification . Given this, I have removed the material. Middayexpress (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I properly sourced the passage now, noting that various countries in Africa and Pan-African groups adopted the flag of Ethiopia and that they were inspired by the fact that Ethiopia is the continent's oldest independent nation . However, the only verifiable link apparently indicating the same thing as the inaccessible Walta link had wiki-mirrored text, so I left that out . I also fixed the African Union's (at its foundation known as the Organization of African Unity) original objective. Per the organization, it was established in 1963 in part "to safeguard the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Member States and to promote international cooperation within the framework of the United Nations" . Additionally, I corrected the African Union's headquarters; the seat of the African Union Commission is in Addis Ababa, while the seat of the Pan-African Parliament is in Johannesburg and Midrand. Middayexpress (talk) 18:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pan-African flag

message: A discussion thread about the reliability and notability of this author and his pages is taking place at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Owen 'Alik Shahadah, please comment there so we can get a final consensus. Rupert Loup (talk) 12:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owen 'Alik Shahadah 

message: The historical chronology of the pan-African movement needs some work - there is no mention of the Accra Conference in 1958 and nothing on the Festival panAfricain d'Alger 1969. I am going to improve this section - is there any other monumental events that are missing from the page?
Nav.Madh (talk) 09:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pan-African Events not Included 

message: There is no information in this article of the concept of Arabism in the context of pan-Africanism. Col. Nasser of Egpyt called for an Afro-Asian Solidarity Movement as the Northern African states - Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt maintained Arab identities but also, post independence and certainly between 1960s-1980s embraced an African identity and recognized with the pan-African movement. Algeria hosted the first festival in 1969. So, what I'm asking is should there be a section in the article discussing the pan-African movement and its relations with its northern states? Or should that be a separate Wikipedia article?
Nav.Madh (talk) 09:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Afro-Arab-Asian Front Question 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Pan-Africanism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110129055921/http://www.au.int/en/about/nutshell to http://www.au.int/en/about/nutshell
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.jpanafrican.com/docs/vol1no6/SculptingaPanAfricanCultureInArtOfNegritude_vol1no6.pdf
*Added  tag to http://www.temple-news.com/media/storage/paper143/news/2003/10/30/Opinion/What-African.Holocaust-543918.shtml?norewrite200612211320&sourcedomain=www.temple-news.
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Portal:Pan-Africanism has been created. I have notified Project Africa and Project African diaspora. Please centralise discussions here about ways to improve the portal i.e. if you have any suggestions or recommendations. In the meantime, please help by adding  to all relevant articles. See :Category:Pan-Africanism for the list of relevant articles. Once everything is finished I will make a "link file to portal" request with the Portal team.  I will be asking that they link the Pan-African flag (this file) to this portal. If you have any objections please state it here. Pinging  Thank.Tamsier (talk) 18:33, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. Thanks for creating. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 03:57, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Pan-Africanism]] has been created. 

message: There are a few revisions I would like to make to this page, I will list them below:
1) I would like to provide more information on the role of the Organisation of African Union in Pan-Africanism.
2) I would like to give more information on the first All-African People's conference.
3) I would also like to expand on the definition of Pan-Africanism and elaborate on it more.
4) The last thing I would like to do is add a section that speaks about how Pan-Africanism has evolved and it's current day state.
Any suggestions as the best way to go about this are welcome!TheChewie12 (talk) 14:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisions I would like to make 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the . —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: There should be a mention of the radical wing of Pan-Africanism that has racial resentments towards non-blacks. Of course not every pan-africanist supports it, but it's deserves a mention. 2A02:3030:81F:C4B8:1:0:6303:48DE (talk) 05:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic supremacism