Talk:Rockefeller family

message: "The members of the Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy simultaneously with their genocidal and eugenic philosophies, which is inherently an irreconcilable contradiction; a Rockefeller Archive Center study in 2004 documents an incomplete list of 72 major institutions that the family has created and/or endowed up to the present day, though using money created with the fractional reserve banking system, which manufactures it from thin air, forcing the rest of society to pay with inflation. These organizations have served as the fronts through which the Rockefellers have operated their philosophy of depopulation (read: murder) and population genetics ideals."
"The family is also known for its long association with and financial interest in the Chase Manhattan Bank, now JP Morgan Chase. The family also has also been involved in multiple treasonous acts in order to push forward the New World Order agenda. The family's fortune is estimated to be between $130 billion and $13 trillion dollars, enough to buy half the world's countries and enough to buy off politicians, bankers, and corporations in order to push forward the family's fascist agenda."
From the first part of the article.
: I agree, there are certainly neutrality concerns. This article feels like a thinly veiled celebration of the Rockefeller's achievements, rather than an objective encyclopaedic article. I have included a POV tag at the top of the article to reflect the ongoing neutrality issues. Please discuss the issue here, or amend the article accordingly, rather than simply removing the tag. 
206.132.97.4 (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was redirected to this article from the discussion page of David Rockefeller whilst searching for criticism. I am flabberghasted that no criticism whatsoever exists. --91.248.98.199 (talk) 08:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality in question

message: The name is not French Origin, it is German. It came from Rockenfeld, Germany and the name originated as Rockenfeller. It was then changed to Rockefeller when Johann Peter Rockenfeller Jr. came to the U.S. He was born in Segendorf, Westerwald, Germany, on March 22, 1711, and died in about 1787 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey. He had 9 children. How do I know all of this, my last name is Rockefeller and I have whole family tree dating back to Germany in the origination in Rockenfeld, Germany. So trust me, it is not a French name.
I already referenced Scheiffarth, Engelbert. "Der New Yorker Gouverneur Nelson A. Rockefeller und die Rockenfeller im Neuwieder Raum." Genealogisches Jahrbuch, vol. 9, 1969, pp. 16-41, which states that the paragraph starting with 
 However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille,...
is wrong, more details below. If there is no reliable source given I would suggest to remove the paragraph. 
Furthermore I would like to know whether the statement
 Johann Peter immigrated to New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723
is sourced anywhere. 
--Dagox (talk) 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the following paragraphs as no citations were given and they at least partially contradict with the sources given
 However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille, from the 
 region of Limousin,   France. If true, that may explain why they were located in the 
 Midwest, where most of the French immigrants settled. This New France, which consisted of 15 states 
 north of Louisiana, was home to more than 150,000  Frenchmen and women in 1803 
 when Louisiana was sold to the USA. In France, the version Roquefeuille is also known as a family name. 
 Back in the 16th century, some French nobles were Protestant and fled the absolutist Catholic regime 
 to go to Germany. They dispersed throughout the German kingdoms and Switzerland. This is generally the 
 favored version of historians to explain the ultimate roots of the Rockefeller name. 
 The name may also come from the "Roquefeuil", a Catholic family from the region of Languedoc (France).  
 The earliest known ancestor is Goddart Rockenfeller (1590, Fahr).[http://members.aol.com/marwomack/rockefel.htm Aol.com, Marwomack 
 "Rockefel"] 
 The Rockefeller family is descended from Johann Peter Rockenfeller (1682–1763), grandson of Goddart, 
 and Johann Thiel Rockenfeller (1695–1796), great-grandson of Goddart. Johann Peter immigrated to 
 New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723 and acquired large landholdings.
--Dagox (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTX4P3jH0q4  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.46.249 (talk) 10:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name - french origin? 

message: Any reason Nicholas Rockefeller is not on this list? (As if we didn't know)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.254.124.38 (talk) 11:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicholas Rockefeller

message: What exactly does this first sentence mean? "The Rockefeller family, founded by John D. Rockefeller (1839-1937)..."
He was not the first Rockefeller, and how exactly do you "found" a family? This seems to be  a nonsensical sentence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.151.209 (talk) 03:05, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
I agree, the sentence give the impression of a company foundation.(cantikadam (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Founded? 

message: No mention of the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=2ZO&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=robber+baron+rockefellers&spell=1
Another hit on Wikipedias credibility.  Sounds like the Rockefellers are donating to Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergn (talk • contribs) 22:25, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:: I have tried to rectify this bias by adding a Criticism section User:Aequitas12345  —Preceding comment was added at 17:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typical Wikipedia propaganda 

message: There is no real assertion of WP:N on this page outside of being a member of the family.  Ought to be redirected here instead of deleted, but I wanted to let it be discussed before I WP:Be Bold. -Jcbarr 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[John D. Rockefeller V]]

message: After consulting the other Wiki language versions of this page that, I felt the list of Rockefeller family members was best displayed in the order of each Rockefeller's birth, followed by their children in birth order as well. I felt an alphabetical list of Rockerfellers was not very family-oriented and that the purpose of this page was to highlight how each Rockerfeller was related to one another.  --Caponer 00:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List 

message: "The six-generation dynasty of John D. Rockefeller is undoubtedly the greatest philanthropic family in the United States, after Andrew Carnegie initiated the concept of major philanthropy in the 1880s. Its historical underpinnings are credited to John D.'s devout Christian mother Eliza Davison (1813-1889), who instilled in him the regular practice of tithing, which he began in 1855 when he started his first job as an assistant bookkeeper.[2]"
Not exactly neutral there, "undoubtedly the greatest", most money given to the best causes? Way off topic towards the end.
So I've changed it to  "The Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.223.79 (talk) 21:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  philanthropy "undoubtedly the greatest"?

message: There is a very unusual form of genealogical fraud that appears to be in action here.  I have removed a group of children from the list of descendents of William Rockefeller, to wit a purported descendent "Sarah Elizabeth Rose b 1958" and her three children.  It appears that no such connection exists. Go here to see the list of the real descendents that James Stillman Rockefeller had. Wjhonson 02:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genealogical fraud

message: Much is lacking in criticism of this dominant capitalist family 
As of Thurs, Dec 6th 4am, this article has two lines...two lines of critcism!!! Ludlow massacre etc...I shan't go on. Please add to this, as criticism sections are always very much important in adding other standpoints to any article. Let's get more than just "great philanthropy" up here please...possible whitewashing?
:A proper Criticism section would be very welcome; delphic references to other Wikipedia articles (all that we had) are embarrassingly bad substitutes. HenryFlower 16:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that better? Aequitas12345 12:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand Criticism section ASAP 

message: As far as I know in U.S.A. there is no dynasty exists or am I wrong? I would ttry to be sarcastic but it is painfully explicit anyhow.(cantikadam (talk) 11:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynasty? 

message: "The family was also the fourth richest family in history.[citation needed]"
I fail to understand how it is possible to measure a family's wealth, since a family is not a discrete entity. While Rockafeller's status as the wealthiest (inflation adjusted) man in history is arguable, I don't even believe this measure to be possible...and if it is, it certainly needs a citation. CelestialRender (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove This Line? 

message: Isn't it worth mention about the con artist from West Germany who claimed to be a descendant of Rockefeller? JustN5:12 (talk) 21:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Gerhartsreiter 

message: i have added to the criticism section. Alas, over half of the content was deleted. will others please add to the section? its the smallest out of all of them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.245.99 (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism? 

message: The big list of family members might benefit from the use of Template:familytree, and being trimmed down to notable members. — Hex (❝?!❞) 03:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tree 

message: "Beginning with Rockefeller Senior, the family has been a major force in land conservation"
This has to be highly debatable. And where's the evidence? --Ceiteag Bheag (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservation 

message: The way the spouses are currently shown makes no sense at all.  Many of them are disconnected from who they are supposed to have married, so we can't even figure it out.  The spouses should be merged into the main descent trail to make it clear who each person married.Wjhonson (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Spouses

message: "...The family, with its far reaching philanthropy, as well as its oil, real estate, banking, and international institutions, remains a benchmark for extreme wealth ("as rich as Rockefeller"), as "Senior" is still regarded as the wealthiest man who has ever lived, worth over $300 billion in today's figures, easily surpassing Bill Gates, in terms adjusted by inflation indexing.[25]..."
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I can't make sense of this 

message: The information in the Family Archives section is out of date and not entirely correct. Here's a suggestion for an updated description: 
The Rockefeller family archives are held at the Rockefeller Archive Center, located in the former home of Martha Baird Rockefeller in Sleepy Hollow, New York.  The Archive Center was originally established in 1974 as a part of Rockefeller University, but in 2008, it became an independent operating foundation.  At present, the archives of John D. Rockefeller, Sr., William Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Abby Aldrich Rockefeller, Abby Rockefeller Mauzé,  John D. Rockefeller III,  Blanchette Rockefeller, and Nelson Rockefeller are processed and open by appointment to readers in the Archive Center’s reading room.   Processed portions of the papers of Laurance Rockefeller are also open.  In addition, the Archive Center has a microfilm copy of the Winthrop Rockefeller papers, the originals of which are held at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock.  The papers of the family office, known as the Office of the Messrs. Rockefeller, are also open for research, although those portions that relate to living family members are closed.
Mbrhill (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  updating the Family Archives section 

message: Perhaps we should change the name of the article to "A list of members of the Rockefeller family and all the wonderful things they donated money to". The article has no substance, no history, no real information at all other than a list of family members and the stuff they donated money to. A little criticism wouldn't go amiss. Anyone who held on to a fortune of hundreds of millions during the Great Depression can't be that great...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.5.35 (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a list? 

message: Whys is this section titled "The Edifice Complex?"  There is no content or reference explaining the use of this term.  It seems like a POV label.  I propose that the section be re-named "Real estate development." --Crunch (talk) 16:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Edifice Complex 

message: What do the names in bold mean on the descendant section? There is no key to explain why they are special. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolded names 

message: Perhaps the Rockefellers could endow a scholar to write this article, and employ another to edit it. This might avoid such textual horrors as, 'a vast three-story underground bunker built below the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest mansion'.
1. 'Vast'? In whose estimation, 'vast'? Is it ten square miles in area? One square mile? Fifty-five?
2. 'three-story'? So this bunker is a trilogy? Or some other kind of literary work? Perhaps you mean 'storey'.
3. 'underground bunker'? Bunkers are by definition located underground, or partly below-ground. It is like saying 'This house has an attic in the roof'.
4. If the structure is below ground, it cannot have 'storeys', but it might have 'levels'. A great many institutions, like government departments and large public libraries, have multi-level basements where books and other documents are stored in a stable and controlled-climate environment.
5. The word 'bunker' has pejorative, even sinister overtones; there are connotations of 'hideout' or 'fortress'; such words imply that the Rockefeller 'bunker' protects secret and/or compromising material, or that the family plans to hole up there when the US Second Civil War (Historians will call it 'The Second Amendment War') breaks out. The world knows that Hitler spent his last days on earth cowering in a bunker deep below Berlin. The word retains that unpleasant odour of death and madness.
6. So... why not say that the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest 'mansion' (what is a 'mansion' anyway? There are pejorative overtones here, too. 'Mansion' is a word used by some persons to describe a dwelling they believe to be larger than its occupants deserve and/or need) has a three-level basement where the Rockefeller family papers are stored. 121.44.162.10 (talk) 08:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ".. three-story underground bunker..." 

message: I know that this family has its own secret service which is researching everything about UFO. 
For example, they are spending billions of dollars just for travelling across the world to research everything about crop circles.
Somebody could add this information with proper source into the article. I'm sure it will be useful.
Cheers!
213.59.138.235 (talk) 12:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crop Circles. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I observe that someone has plastered a lot of who-remarks in conjunction with Junior while it above is clearly stated that John D. Rockefeller Jr. below will be referred to as Junior. --J. P. Fagerback (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Junior [who?]'s 

message: I removed "Dudley–Winthrop family" and "Stover family" from the infobox, because they are not mentioned in the body of the article. 'Winthtop' is mentioned, but this appears to be a forename.  has reverted my edit, without an edit summary. Please explain why these family names should be included here. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connected families 

message: I am starting this thread to resolve a dispute which has arisen regarding my inclusion of an image of John D. Rockefeller in the page's infobox. SNUGGUMS opposes using the picture for this page's infobox on the grounds that it may "potentially mislead readers into thinking nobody else from the family mattered." While it is not my intent to characterize other members of the family as insignificant, I believe it is fair to say that none of the future generations of the Rockefeller family would have exercised as much power and influence as they did were it not for the fortune that John D. Rockefeller amassed in the oil industry.
As for the possibility that visitors may get the impression that there were no other family members who had an impact on history, I would recommend interspersing pictures throughout the article of other Rockefellers who were famous. That way no visitors would wrongly get the impression that John D. Rockefeller was the only member of the family of any historical significance. Emiya1980 (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am perfectly fine with having multiple images of family members throughout the page. In fact, if there are any joint photos (e.g. portraits of a family taken together), then that would also be a good choice to add. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of John D. Rockefeller

message: John D Rockefeller was not Vice President It was Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller under Gerald Ford. 174.247.251.112 (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vice president 

message: According to the encyclical of Aekansas the governor of Arkansas was Winthrop Rockefeller  the 4th son of John d rockefeller 174.247.251.112 (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governor of arkansas