Talk:Knitting/Archive 1

message: Surely if you consider the "right side" to be the front, as is normal convention, then the knit stitch is where the needle is put in from the front to the back and the loop pulled through, whereas the purl is done by inserting the needle from the back to the front and also pulling the loop through. The fact that the purl is knitted when the "right side" is at the back makes this all really confusing. Should all this be modified for clarity somehow?
(BTW, I'm a male pseudo-geek and have been caught knitting many times in public, very much alive!)
:I suppose you could call it the front of the stitch if you look at the stitches as moving from right to left across the needle. When you're knitting, the needle is inserted from the left side of the stitch, which from the right-to-left perspective could be called the "back". At least one of my knitting books refers to "the front of the stitch from left to right" and "the frong of the stitch from right to left". It's a matter of perspective.
:You're right. It's confusing. I tried to clarify it a little. (Also, I've never heard of "pushing" the yarn anywhere while knitting. You always pull it with the needle.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 23:58, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was still a little strange when I got to it a few days ago, but I think the description is a little better now.  What I (or someone) really needs to do is make up some diagrams. /Blahedo 07:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  knit -v- purl - are the descriptions wrong? 

message: The Japanese knitting page has a great diagram, which can be found at http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Meias.png, but I can't figure out how to use it directly.  Do I have to download it and then reupload it to the English wikipedia?  That seems like the long way round.  Anyway, I'll spend more time on this later, but I figured I'd mention it here in case someone knew the system better.  /blahedo (t) 06:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what you have to do. Or, perhaps even better, upload it to commons, where it can be accessed from any language Wikipedia. -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally got around to learning my way around the Commons.  This is such fun!  Anyway, the diagram has been uploaded to the Commons as :Image:Knit-schematic.png and now appears in the somewhat-revised main article.  /blahedo (t) 02:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importing foreign-wiki diagrams? 

message: Do we really need to list all the movies knitting appears in? I'm sure the list would be endless, and what purpose does it serve? Unless knitting is integral to the plot, but even then I don't really see the use. Loggie 01:55, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. It  might be interesting to do a more generally "knitting in popular culture" or similar. (Actually, more general than "popular culture" would be nice. It could include, for a start, a reference to Madame Defarge, whose knitting is classic and also downright sinister. Which is an accomplishment, for knitting.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: In Movies section

message: There is some evidence of linkspamming (people posting links to their own sites) on this and other knitting-related WP pages (such as history of knitting and knitting needle). "Free patterns and history of knitting shown through patterns" was posted by the maintainer of that site, and the site itself does not live up to its description -- there's very little content there. And the KnittingFiend link was also probably posted by the site's owner, based on the account name and activity. It's another knitting blog -- one of hundreds, though there is some useful content on it.
It is frowned upon to add links to one's own sites, and I am concerned about this. Of course, if the sites warrant being listed, that is one thing -- but these don't seem to be notable sites, at least, not more than the many other hobbyist knitting sites out there. (There may be a couple of others in the list of links that would have this problem as well -- I didn't go through all of them.)
I think it would be best to remove these links. What do other editors think? ManekiNeko 22:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, remove them. The only reason I haven't removed them is that I'm trying not to get a reputation as a mean old link-removing grinch. ;) I don't think any article really needs more than two or three external links except in extraordinary cases. A helpful guide, if you're trying to decide between a handful of links that offer the same kind of services (e.g. fairly generic knitting instructions and fairly typical patterns), is to check out relative Alexa ratings. -Aranel ("Sarah") 22:45, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: An individual local guild is not likely to serve thousands or even hundreds of people. A national or international guild, on the other hand, might. Aranel, I went ahead and pruned the links quite a bit. I left the Meetups link as it is not one particular Meetup, but a link to the main Meetup page for all the knitting meetups everywhere. (I added a link to the Stitch 'n' Bitch worldwide knitting groups page for a similar reason.) I kept the magazine links, though I think they could possibly be pruned as well. The link to the site with knitting instructions and videos seemed the most useful and notable of the other links, so I kept that one. ManekiNeko 07:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkspamming? 

message: I feel like this should be added to the Process section but as I am hardly an expert on this technique, I hesitate to put it in myself. Knerq
:I am not either. :) Yes, it just needs to be a brief mention, so it could fit in the Process section. Maybe when I have time I will add that, or someone else can. Maybe Entrelac should have a wikipedia article, too... I'm not sure. ManekiNeko | Talk 00:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Entrelac is a technique I haven't tried yet, but I get the basics enough, I think.  I used this as an excuse to rework the Process section to be a little more organised, and included a mention of entrelac in the new Texture subsection.  (Do make sure I haven't gotten it wrong!)  I left an open link, so feel free to stub or write a whole new article just about entrelac---Category:Knitting definitely needs more items. :)  /blahedo (t) 03:07, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Entrelac article created, though it could probably use some judicious editing, if anyone wants to step up to the plate. /littlemousling (t) 08:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Entrelac

message: The recent edit of the page added a whole bunch of information about novelty yarns, etc. This is good. However, for each type of yarn, it cited a couple of yarn brands and names -- which concerns me, because if this is included, we are likely to have people from every yarn company there is editing the page to add their yarns to promote themselves. I don't think the article should be a list of yarns in that sense! (Also, the yarns listed were heavily European-biased, so we'd have to add more yarns anyway to make better examples for those who live elsewhere.) I removed most of those yarn names, but I did leave a couple in for now. I would like to hear what others think about this. Examples of yarns aren't necessarily a bad thing, but the page should perhaps be more universal, not listing brands that may be discontinued, or be geographically irrelevant for many readers. ManekiNeko | Talk 01:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The current version seems reasonable; the only ones with specific brand names are ones that seem unique enough to justify it.  We can revisit it if a link war starts brewing.  /blahedo (t) 06:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Yarn names

message: 141.155.56.134 deleted references to the Stitch 'n Bitch books without comment, though the text of the edit in the article itself claimed "trademark infringement". I reverted; please keep an eye open for this sort of thing. There is a company claiming trademark rights to the phrase "Stitch and Bitch Cafe" but this does not mean Wikipedia cannot cite Debbie Stoller's book. (Also, as far as I know, there has been no determination in court or otherwise at this point that the book is officially an infringement.) 141.155.56.134 also deleted Debbie Stoller's name entirely from List of feminists which implies she/he has an issue with Debbie, rather than any legitimate attempt to avoid trademark infringement. 141.155.56.134, if you are reading this, please feel free to discuss your changes on the talk page here. ManekiNeko | Talk 22:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stitch 'n Bitch links 

message: I've added three links to the knitting machine article, maybe that's too many. First day here, not sure of conventions, if it's done wrong please change/spank ad lib. AuntySue 21:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it, but don't consider it a spanking. :) Basically you generally only wikilink the first occurrence, and only put the link in See Also if it's not already linked earlier in the article, so I left the first link in. Thank you for adding that, by the way! :) -- ManekiNeko | Talk 23:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knitting machine 

message: It's not at all ready to link up from this article, but I've just discovered http://knitting.wikicities.com/ .  Someone else created it a week and a half ago but didn't write anything for it, and I've been writing articles in the last day or two.  Much more work is needed!  I figured here would be a good place to troll for people who liked writing articles for free and GFDLing them. :) /blahedo (t) 03:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikicities 

message: The "materials" section seems a bit sparse, and mashed together. I thought perhaps separating it into sub-sections would make it easier and quicker to read and scan. 
:"Weight" - the importance of gauge, and how the thickness of yarn affects appearance, drape, quickness to knit, etc. 
:"Fibre" - explanation of different fibres and their natures: animal, plant, synthetic, which would then lead to ..
:"Novelty" - since it is such a large chunk, it warrants its own space
I may move forward on this, but figured I'd share this with other users. Newbie here :-) Thanks! Gloriana232 13:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details on material 

message: I've replaced the History and culture section statistic with a citable one, which, though a little less impressive in terms of raw size, has the benefit of being sourced!.  I'm pretty sure the old 400% increase stat. came from the CYCA too, but it was ill defined in the article, and CYCA no longer seem to have it on their website, so it's hard to cite except from fairly poor second hand sources. --SiobhanHansa 07:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History and Culture section statistic

message: Would it be possible to have a section for known knitting pattern corrections?
There doesn't seem to be a central repository anywhere on the web, and with Wikipedia it would not be dependent on one person to keep track.
Clumberknits 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Knitting Pattern corrections? 

message: Hi, I'd love for Knitting to become a Featured Article but, speaking just for myself, it doesn't seem ready yet; judging from the initial reactions, the FAC reviewers agree.  If we're serious about this, let's get together in January and make it happen systematically.  Speaking as someone who's worked on several FA's recently, I guess that it will likely take a month of devoted work before we're ready for Peer review, which should always be the first step before FAC.  I'd love to do it, though, if we're all together on this. :) Willow 12:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured article candidate

message: Currently, the article is inconsistent as far as which English it uses. The first edit that showed one English over the other used British English, so I'm going with that. However, since I'm from the United States, I'd appreciate any help I can get from people who are more familiar with B.E. than I am.=3  DroEsperanto 01:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing to be consistently B.E. 

message: I'm thinking about starting a WikiProject for Textile Arts that would include all the usual crafts (knitting, weaving, crochet, lace, etc.) plus clothing and fashion design.  We basically need to find 5 editors who are interested in contributing.  A WikiProject would allow us to use tags to monitor the progress of our field, using the Mathbot assessments.  We could also make common templates, info-boxes and whatnot, and it might draw other textile-enthusiasts to us. (More knitters, yeay!)  I'd be willing to get it off the ground, programming-wise; are people here interested in joining?  Thanks! :) Willow 10:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, WikiProject Textile Arts has taken off — please join us there! :) Willow 21:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject?

message: Substituted at 15:12, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment