Talk:Fall Out Boy/Archive 2

message: I'm putting my two bits in on what their genre actually is.
First of all, they are NOT emo. At all. I can't believe you people are even debating this as a possibility. So what if their fans call them emo? Citing them as a reason to call the band emo is an Appeal to Popularity and a fallacy. Emotive hardcore is NOT an obscure genre, and Fall Out Boy is not a part of it. 
They are not pop "punk" either. To say that they are pop "punk" presumes that they actually sound like punk music in some way. This are pop rock. The pop punk section of wikipedia needs a ton of editing, I can't believe Good Charlotte is listed under it. 
They're not alternative rock because it implies, at its core, the opposite of pop. Eshmasesh 16:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who gets to choose, then, if the fans don't count, the media don't count (Emo was referenced before someone removed it), and we've all agreed the band themselves don't count? Why is your opinion more accurate than MTVs? It's not that I don't agree with you, it's that somewhere, we need a reference or an accurate way to decide which genre/s they belong in. The referenced alternative rock/pop punk/emo was the closest we had. Iorek85 22:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what people say they are. It matters what they are. If the fans and media said they were country, it wouldn't make them country because their music sounds nothing like country. Same premise here. They play what they play, and what they play is pop rock. It is not my opinion, it is a fact based on how genres are defined. The constant quibbling in discussions and inability to stop people who don't understand musical genres from winning is why so many people hate sourcing wikipedia for band genres.Eshmasesh 14:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But you're still not solving the problem - you're saying "They are pop rock because I say so". We can't reference 'Eshmasesh' in the article, and no amount of arguing will convince others that you're right. Hence why we need references. Iorek85 22:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  They are Pop Rock 

message: I don't think that the intruments should be listed alongside the names of band members in the infobox.  WikiProject Musicians says that infoboxes should have "Current members of the group, listed in order of joining with no other notation than names." I'm going to change it. Lebroyl 23:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox instruments 

message: Massive sorrys on the touring bit. I'm a Nintendo gamer, so I thought it was interesting. 
Again, many sorrys.
--NapalmRiot 22:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ack. 

message: I Don't think That 7 Minutes In Heaven Is The Right Song? I Think It's "I've Got A Dark Alley And A Bad Idea That Says You Should Shut Your Mouth" (Summer Song).  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.107.126.3 (talk) 16:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atavan Halen? 

message: ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgofC-dp5C0
pete says pop punk in that video there so is this the end wtf genre are fallout boy 84.12.172.94 16:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: hows this evidence

message: I think the bullet point on the whole 'peengate' incident needs a little attention. I don't know alot about what hapened but I've never read anything about the bandmates being suspects, I seriously doubt they would be responsible for something that hurt Pete so much. The way it's written isn't all that encyclopaedic either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.149.184.189 (talk) 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: i come and look at this article sometimes and it says emo as one of their genres. people need to stop adding emo!
It's really a question of what genre the band would like to be thought of. They don't like being called emo, and we should respect the band for what they want to be called.70.23.148.224 14:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fall Out Boy is not emo 

message: These guys are criticised by groups like the Killers, and by various reviewers (Q,NME,etc). Even Planet sound says Leo sayer is more punk than they are.
my point is, shouldn't something on all this be mentioned?
They are emo. Most people who state this, are legally deaf or have never heared a song of thiers. Heres some snips from thier songs:
Bury me standing under your window 
with the cinder block in hand
Yeah cause no one will ever feel like this again
And if I could move 
I'm sure it would only be to crawl back to you
I must have dragged my guts a block
they were gone by the time we (talked)
(Pretty Dark)
I want to hate you half as much and as I hate myself
You know that I could crush you with my voice
(emo esque)
I hate the way you say my name like it's something secret
My pen is the barrel of the gun. 
Remind me which side you should be on.
(Emo anger much?)
And one just cause they’ll kill you sooner than my expectations
To my favorite liar, to my favorite scar (to my favorite scar):
“I could have died with you”
I hope you choke on those words, that kiss, that bottle - confess (So bury me in memory)
Now ash yourself, yeah, out on the insides, said I loved you but I lied
(For gods sake....EMO)
So bury me in memory
His smile’s your rope
So wrap it tight around your throat
(Explain that!)
Even when there's
N-n-n-nothing worth living for
You're still, you're still, still worth lying for
N-no one has to know-ow, ow-ow, ow-ow
(Uhm...?)
So wear me like a locket around your throat.
I'll weigh you down.
I'll watch you choke.
You look so good in blue.
You look so good in blue.
(*Cough*)
loaded words and loaded friends
are loaded guns to our heads
(....)
you want apologies
girl, you might hold your breath
until your breathing stops forever, forever
(...every pane of glass) the only thing you'll get
is this curse on your lips:
(every pane of) i hope they taste of me forever 
(My god, still think they aren't emo??)
I'm all ears and I'm all scars 
to hear you tell me "Boy's like you, you try too hard 
to look not quite as desperate". I'm hanging on. 
But I still know the way to make your makeup run.
(Pretty whiney....AKA emo)
spent most of last night dragging this leg
for the corpses of all my past mistakes
sell me out- the jokes on you
We are salt- and you are the wound
Empty another bottle
And let me tear you to pieces
This is me wishing you
Into the worst situations
I'm the kind of kid
That can't let anything go
But you wouldn't know a good thing 
If it came up and slit your throat
(*Slaps face* Getting the picture?)
And did you hear the news?
I could dissect you 
And gut you on the stage
Not as eloquent as I may have imagined
But it will get the job done(and you're done)
Every line is plotted and designed
To leave you standing
On your bedroom window's ledge
And everyone else that it hits
That it gets to
Is nothing more than collateral damage
(Pretty emo)
Is this more than you bargained for yet
Oh don't mind me I'm watching you two from the closet
Wishing to be the friction in your jeans
Isn't it messed up how I'm just dying to be him
I'm just a notch in your bedpost
But you're just a line in a song
(Yeaaaa)
This has been said so many times that I'm not sure if it matters
But we never stood a chance
And I'm not sure if it matters
If you are the shores, I am the waves begging for big moons
I’m mailing letters to addresses in a ghost town
(your secret's out)
(Im winning....)
This has been said so many times that I'm not sure if it matters
But it must be said again that all us boys are just screaming
Into microphones for attention 
Because we're just so bored
We never knew that you would pick it apart, oh
I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts
(your secret's out)
(*snore*)
I used to obsess over living,
Now I only obsess over you
Tell me you'd like boys like me better
In the dark lying on top of you
This has been said so many times that I'm not sure if it matters [x4]
(They....are....emo)
From day one I talked about getting out
But not forgetting about
How my worst fears are letting out
He said why put a new address
On the same old loneliness
When breathing just passes the time
Until we all just get old and die
Now talking's just a waste of breath
And living's just a waste of death
And why put a new address 
On the same old loneliness
And this is you and me
And me and you
Until we've got nothing left
(Are you people challenged mentally?)
To the love, I left my conscience pressed
Between the pages of the Bible in the drawer
"What did it ever do for me" I say (I say, I say, I say)
It never calls me when I'm down
Love never wanted me
But I took it anyway
Put your ear to the speaker
And choose love or sympathy
But never both
Love never wanted me
"I hoped you choked
And crashed your car"
Hey "tear catcher", that's all that you are
And ever were
From the start
I swear, I say
I swear, I say
(???????)
I'm the first kid to write of hearts, lies, and friends
And I am sorry my conscience called in sick again
And I've got arrogance down to a science
Oh, and I'm the first kid to write of hearts, lies, and friends
(Godammit accept it!)
They call kids like us vicious and carved out of stone
But for what we've become, we just feel more alone
Always weigh what I've got against what I left
So progress report: I am missing you to death
(?!?!?!??!?!!?!?)
I got my stitches stitched, I got my fixes fixed,
And in my aching head I got my kisses slipped.
Our gossip lips stuttered every word I said, I said,
I got your love letters, corrected the grammar and sent them back.
True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head.
(Gigity!)
And if you wanna go down in history then I'm your prince,
Because they've got me in a bad way I've never seen a heart I couldn't break.
It was never about the songs, it was competition,
Make the biggest scene, make the biggest...
Which came first, the music or the misery?
Where high-fashion, were last chances.
Which came first, the music or the misery?
Where high-fashion, were last chances.
I'm casually obsessed, And I've Forgiven Death,
I am indifferent yet (I am a total wreck),
I'm every cliche, but I simply do it best.
(C'mon.....)
We take sour sips 
From life's lush lips 
We shake shake shake the hips 
In relationships 
Stop by this disaster town 
You'll put your eyes to the sun and say "I know" 
You're only blinding to keep back what the clouds are hiding 
And we might have started singing just a little soon 
We're throwing the stones in a glass room. 
(Dee deee deeee)
Whoa ah oh it's a miserable story 
Whoa ah oh far from the genuine becoming 
We keep the beat, 
With your blistered feet 
We bullet the words at the mockingbirds, singing 
Slept through the weekend 
And dream 
Sinking with the melody of the kiss of eternity 
Your pulse comes from a pharmacist, saying "how you been"? 
We might of said good byes just a little soon 
(Somehow this disaster town) 
Our beliefs of kissing beats over this room 
(Uhm, oh ya....thats punk....)
This is me standing in the arch of the door
hating that look that's on your face
that says there's another fool like me.
There's one born every minute, there's one born every minute.
What you do on your own time's just fine.
My imagination's much worse, I just never want to know.
What meant the world imploded, inflated then demoted all my oxygen
to product gas and suffocated my last chance.
You said, between your smiles and regrets: "Don't say it's over."
Dead and gone, dead and gone, yeah, woah
(I hate you people....)
I am such a sucker
And I'm always the last to know
My insides are copper
And I'd kill to make them gold
Conversation got me here: another night alone in the city
So make my bed the grave and shovel dirt onto my sheets
(?????!??!)
Turn this up I'll tune you out
Another night alone in the city, yeah
Fake it like you matter-that's a lie we can both keep, ohh
[Chorus]
When you go, I will forget everything about you [x2]
I will forget when you go
I will forget everything about you when you go
I will forget everything about you
[Chorus]
(Either these gents have mastered memory repression, or they are.....EMO!!!)
STOP DELETING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Songs quoted:
-Sending postcards from a plane
-Get busy living, or get busy dying
-Sugar, we're going down
-Chicago is so two years ago
-Carpal tunnel of love
-The music or the misery
-I slept with someone in fall out boy
-Nobody puts baby in the corner
-Tell that mick he just made my list
-The patron of saint liars and fakes
-calm before the storm
-The pros and cons of breathing
I made these examples, due too a lack of sufficient sourcing in the arguments. Simply look up these songs lyrics, and you'll find these parts, and how they sound distinctly emo, in new and old material. Don;t get me wrong, this is my favorite band, it's just insulting too claim they arent emo at all....Thier clever emo lyrics have been thier nitch for most of thier career really....
:Oh God. I hate to bring my personal opinion into this, but wow. Do you SERIOUSLY think their lyrics are clever? That's just a laugh-and-a-half. More seriously, do you even KNOW what defines the emo (emotive hardcore) genre?168.28.136.11 05:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

message: +The article should include the fact that Fall Out Boy has teamed up with Abercrombie Finch for the release of the new cd.  If you buy the new cd at Abercrombie Finch you get a free Fall Out Boy t-shirt with the purchase Blueboi86 16:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infinity On High 

message: It's been stated by both the band and on the page that Andy Hurley joined after Evening.... and as such, he isn't present on the cover. However, two 'mystery men' are. Are these the pre-Hurley members, and, if so, shouldn't they be added to a "Past members" section on the page?
(The-kid-was-alright 06:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-TTTYG members 

message: Hum Hallejujah anybody..? Thnks fr th mmrs? Golden?
These all state the title quite clearly in the lyrics! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The-kid-was-alright (talk • contribs) 06:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs relating to the titles 

message: This is a page for factual information and not personal opinion. The page currently is a short sentence about a particular writer not liking the band. 
I would also say that you can talk about the controversies around the labels of "emo" etc rather than getting into something as pointless as attempting to categorize the bands based on a relatively arbitrary label. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jilly5001 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is more vandalism 

message: I think that to leave the description "[FOB] is a ((gay)) band..." is rather subjective and ought to be fixed..  gay is offensive and shouldnt be used as a derrogatory term in an objective environment..
Gay isn't offensive, don't be a chump, every homosexual I know actually quite likes being called gay.
what the hell, gay is usually considered offensive you twat. and just because some of your friends like being called gay, doesnt mean its allowed to be casually used on a wiki artical.
Riiiiight, and calling someone a twat isn't offensive? 69.214.215.127 07:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove one word.. 

message: Anyone have any sources that these are actually planned to be future singles?? I heard the Takeover was the 2nd off IOH but it was on a forum and that isn't really a proper source. SilverNightFire 07:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thriller and Thnks fr th mmrs 

message: Can someone familiar with this band edit :commons:Image:Fall Out Boy 2006 1.jpg to identify which member is which?  I have a number of pictures of this band released under a free license to upload, but I don't know who they are, and would like to identify the band members correctly.  The drummer I can figure out.  Thank you in advance.  Jkelly 00:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image help 

message: Okay, what?!
It has also been heard that Fall Out Boy is planning to give away designs of different album covers for each day they tour. One person from each show will receive this prize. The twist is (and of course there is one), each piece of artwork will have been created with blood from each of the four members of the band.
Is that true??? That is so far-fetched-sounding. That shouldn't be in there if it's just a rumor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by I Love Panic At the Disco529 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood?? 

message: Does anyone know how much The Squier Pere Wentz Precision Bass guitar is?Tabbishea 20:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precision Bass 

message: I am at a disagreement with a person on another website.
Does anyone know what name Fall Out Boy went under when there played their secret shows in New York?I was told that it was Saved Latin,and she says that it was Rushmore.Does anyone know?Tabbishea 23:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret Show Name 

message: should something be mentioned about how the the band is criticised for selling out, with the video for thnks fr th mmrs featuring heavy sponsirship from brands, and with honda civic Presents Fall out boy as the name of their new tour?
also, " They have also confirmed that they will choose 4 lucky girls to make sweet, sweet love to."
Surelly this is just vandalism. if no, it doent need to be there anway.
Who really cares!? Its WIKIPEDIA! Its shweet!
i dont think the phrase "selling out" is the right phrase for wikipedia.
the "advertising" in there videos could be diggs at other bands that heavily premote products
85.211.171.191 18:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: selling out

message: Hi, I saw that the Fall Out Boy page has some links to interviews, but I thought the page could benefit from a link to an external resource with lots of fresh news.  The news page at Shoutmouth.com contains more than 50 Fall Out Boy news stories over the past 3 months, and I think it's very good resource.  I understand if you don't want to add the link -- but I do think it adds value.  This is the news source I proposed adding to the FOB page:
Fall Out Boy Newsbob
Stannersross 13:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News links on Fall Out Boy page

message: I deleted the genre "emo". There was a lot of arguing about it, but I did it.--Calario freebie 03:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted

message: YOUR TELLING ME FALL OUT BOY HAS NEVER BEEN NOMINATED OR EVEN WON AN AWARD??? THERE SHOULD BE A SECTION. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.48.50 (talk) 17:13, April 19, 2007
:If you know they have, this would be a great opportunity for you to add something constructive to WIkipedia. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 21:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWARDS??? 

message: knights of columbus halls are prevelant thruout illinois, probably elsewhere as well. references to them playing one without specifics seems inaccurate
68.78.26.205 00:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  K of C 

message: Patrick Stump appeared in three songs by Gym Class Heroes. Not just Cupid's Chokehold and Clothes Off! He appeared in 7 Weeks also. So could you please change that. It is bothering me. HE APPEARED IN THREE SONGS!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.21 (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apperances on Cruel As School Children 

message: People face it, the article says they are. and the majority of the people out there say they are. Okay? The lead singer of Motorhead calls his music "rock n roll" does that mean it's not Metal? Zephead999 05:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   I changed how they are Emo 

message: Wouldn't an explanation of the name Fall Out Boy be a good piece of info for the article? That's what I came here to look for.
   Vlad Tepes IV 15:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They hint that it's a simpson's reference in this interview... Radioactive Man's sidekick Fallout Boy. This is the same interview where they say they're not pop punk.--Dr who1975 15:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: They are still not pop punk. The words pop punk on that page are there for search purposes and mean "pop and punk" not "pop punk". I explained this in the article but somebody thought it best to remove it. Please see previous discussion.--Dr who1975 14:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for spotting that.  It was in place for two hours and is now fixed.  --TeaDrinker 20:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does the name come from? 

message: Why is there a block of light blue behind the logo. The file does not have that at all and where the image was taken from, there is a black background. I guess I'm looking at something wrong, but does anyone see why it's baby blue? Cnota 05:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo color 

message: ok is up with that crappy picture of them? it doesn't even have the whole band, you might as well just leave it blank. why can't you people use the promotional infinity on high photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.48.89 (talk) 18:38, May 16, 2007
:Four tildes (~), sign your posts.
:Infoboxes cannot contain copyrighted images of living persons, even with fair use rationales. As you can read above, there is a request for concert pictures including the entire band. If you are displeased with the current image, by all means, find a good one that has been released into the public domain and replace it. LaraLoveT/C 01:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PICTURE?? 

message: I think that there should be a section in the article about critisism. Every FOB fan knows that Fall Out Boy gets criticized alot FOBaholic 02:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was also mentioned in the pre-GA nomination suggestions above. Feel free to contribute some sourced information. --LaraLoveT/C 04:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point. Something to look into! LaraLoveT/C 18:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I doubt they have yet, since this year's tour is promoting the Civic Hybrid. Plus, they are giving away a Hybrid tonight's show (Monday, June 11). As for other criticism, if I recall correctly, in a interview with the Rolling Stone or SPIN mag, Patrick Stump stated that the band was accused of being a boyband. However, he counterstated by saying "Boyband?! Dude, I'm fat!" or something in the sense of those words.--Lostmeatthelost 22:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: ffs, can someone fix the spellibng of australia
58.165.148.113 08:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling 

message: after suger were going down no one seems to under stand what he says in his songs if anybody can under stand him please tell me WTF he's saying
:This might help. LaraLoveT/C 06:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell is he saying 

message: Fall Out Boy did not have to "pay off" the band Give Up the Ghost. The former singer, Wesley Eisold, did indeed sue Fall Out Boy for allegedly stealing many verses and phrases from his work. Eisold and FOB settled out of court, and neither will comment on the situation, so we do not know what the outcome was.
http://www.topix.net/content/kri/0980411516153724849637827183200482012072
Spuddy 17 22:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does appear that in the credits at the back of the accompanying book with Infinity, Wes Eisold is credited as co-writing "Golden", "The Carpal Tunnel of Love", and "Bang The Doldrums", but I don't know if it was a friendly accreditation, or the result of a legal action. J-stan Talk 22:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. I think that's the whole issue. We don't know exactly what circumstance led to his name being there because they won't comment on the situation.Spuddy 17 22:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Issues