Talk:Flag of Armenia

message: In determining what color to consider the bottom (it looks yellow-orange to me), which set does this flag belong in, List of flags with yellow or List of flags with orange?? 66.32.125.39 18:39, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's orange. Xenophon777 (talk) 17:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Arsacid flags, Marzpaanate banners (looked like the iron cross), Bagratid flags and the various Cilician flag.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of those flags are in this website http://www.armenianheritage.com/hiflag.htm but I don't know if it is copyrighted or not. ROOB323 18:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Marzbanate period flag looks doable in Inkscape, but not sure when I can draw it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's too many flags. Why don't we create a new article and name it "list of Armenian flags", for example, and then link to it in this article?--Crzycheetah 04:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm up for that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mising flags 

message: Nice work everyone who contributed to this article in making this article one of the good articles in wikipedia. ROOB323 22:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article 

message: Hate to do this, but there appears to be copyright violation on this page from one of the sources used: .
*First para of 'History' is word for word almost identical to the first para on the page 'Flag of Armenia' (link given above).
*Second para of 'History' (19th Century) starts with a very close paraphrase of the sixth para of 'Flag of Armenia'.
*Fourth para of 'History' (Democratic Republic of Armenia) contains another direct lift, taken from the second to last para of 'Flag of Armenia'.
Site they are taken from states 'Copyright Armenian Heritage Organisation' on its front page, although the page the material is taken from says that it comes from the Atlas of Historical Armenia by H. K. Babessian. Not sure whether that means the source itself is a copyvio.
I would just delete the offending bits, but I'm a bit uncertain of the protocol for a TFA! 4u1e (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, fixed those by re-writing or presenting as straight quotes. Given that someone cut and pasted those bits into this article, there will probably be others based on the other sources. If anyone knows that they have cut and pasted material from somewhere they shouldn't have (i.e. pretty much anywhere) it would be quicker if they fixed this themselves, rather than me trawling through the article and sources. 4u1e (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally find it's helpful to find who inserted the copyvio material, firstly to warn them about the unacceptability of their behaviour, and secondly it helps to track down any other copyvio material they may have contributed Nil Einne (talk) 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately this violation appears to have been inserted by  User talk:Crzycheetah. As a heavy contributor to this article and wikipedia, I hope it was an accident and a once off... Nil Einne (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully. I've since removed another one, so I'm not sure. I'll drop  a note at his talk page. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 19:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Usage section can't be considered a copyvio, since that source just copies the law of the Armenian flag. How else can we put what the law says without losing some important facts? --Crzycheetah 19:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording you've taken seems to me to be somebody's summary of the law, not the wording of the law itself. If I'm wrong and it's a direct quote from wherever the law is recorded, put it in quotes and reference directly to the law itself, if possible. 4u1e (talk) 19:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem I had while working on this article. There are little or no official sources for most of the information that should be here. That's why I used secondary sources. This website is the only source that mentions what the law states.--Crzycheetah 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's frustrating, but it doesn't give us the right to shortcut the standards of wikipedia. The source you have used is FOTW's english translation of a French news story reporting on the original Albanian Armenian law announcement. If the two translations contain any degree of unique effort then simply copying them would surely infringe the copyright of one or both of the translators. 4u1e (talk) 22:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, you are asking me to reword. Then please tell me how else I can say "public buildings"? Would "buildings belonging to the public" be acceptable? I just don't see it. I mean if I reword any of this, it will not make any sense anymore. --Crzycheetah 23:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I just reworded what I could. Hopefully, this is acceptable now.--Crzycheetah 23:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is to take the safe option and just present it as a direct quote from your source. If possible, it would be better sourced from the original, rather than from FOTW, but I accept that you have looked into this. Is there any other material on this page that was cut and pasted? I'm sorry to keep on about this, but it's really important that we are not seen to copy the work of others. 4u1e (talk) 08:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Copyright is to do with the words used, not primarily the information they convey. If you quote someone, that is you say 'here is what so and so said' and present their words within quotes, then you are not violating their copyright. It has to be a shortish quote, of course; you can't reproduce the whole of Harry Potter and the Deathly Boredom and preface it with 'J.K. Rowling says:' :). You can't reproduce their words as your own, which is what we appear to be doing if the words are the same, or very nearly the same, and not presented as a quote. Hopefully what you have done in most of the article is to take the information from various sources and reproduce it in your own words. If there are any other places where this is not what you've done (i.e. you've cut and pasted), it would be helpful if you could point them out. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 10:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a copy of the Law, but it's in Armenian. I translated the part about usage of the flag and replaced the direct quote from the FOTW website. I would like you to check my translation with theirs and tell me whether it still violates their copyright. Thanks.--Crzycheetah 21:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't violate FOTW's copyright - the wording's different (although note that I'm not a lawyer :)). Is that what you meant? Some things just can't be worded differently in any translation, but the para immediately after the list of places for flying the flag is worded quite differently to FOTW's version, which is the point I'm making about not just taking someone else's words. 4u1e (talk) 00:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. It should probably still be in quotes, but I'm less sure about that, because the translation's yours. 4u1e (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your help here. I didn't write down all the buildings that were there, so technically speaking, this wasn't a direct quote. :) --Crzycheetah 03:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: i think there should be a little more explanation in the usage section. for example, on national flag days, who is required to fly the flag? everybody? not everybody? what happens if you don't when you're supposed to.. do the flag police come? 82.6.96.66 (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there was a reliable source, it would have been mentioned.--Crzycheetah 19:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  usage section 

message: More and more armenian flags, collected by Athanatoi (Russian text is published under GFDL). Also, flags at vexillographia.ru. Please, use them! There are flags, that can not be found in this featured article. --FHen(ru) 19:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, pay special attention at this page. There is a symbolism of Rubenid flags' color and the flag of "Russian vice-king", which may be flag of Armenian meliks (See source).--FHen(ru) 19:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first source is unreliable, since it's just a blog. The vexillographia.ru website was used as a source. As for other flags, you can take a look at the List of Armenian flags page.--Crzycheetah 19:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The focus of the article should be the national flag; we can't cover every single flag possible related to Armenia. That is why we have that list Crzy pointed out. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian sources with other flags 

message: Shouldn't a latin alphabet alliteration be provided for the Armentian name? 76.186.118.246 (talk) 05:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian Name for Tricolor

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thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: Is it necessary to add a note to mention the fact that the values are determined by using Jasc Paint Shop Pro, since many imaging software can easily determine the RGB value of a certain area of a particular image. And it does not mention which version is used to do the job (recent versions are distributed by Corel instead of Jasc), so I don't know whether or not to add an internal link to Jasc. Also, I think the article should mention the L*a*b values instead of RGB ones, since it is more intuitive to human than RGB. --RekishiEJ (talk) 01:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All the information should be sourced, so I noted that the RGB values were taken from Paint Shop Pro. I just added the version number; it's 8. If you can find the L*a*b values, they can be added next to the RGB values.--Crzycheetah 02:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if there is an Armenia law that states what Pantone colors or any other colors should be used for the national flag. I'll see what I can do. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: About the software used to determine the [[RGB]] values of colors used in the Flag of Armenia

message: If no one minds, I will replace the versions describtion with other material, as it's seems funny to state about two prettey well known flags among all those that exist on internet. Arantz (talk) 13:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two versions of the flag 

message: SARM, the Standards Agency of Armenia, has put the document "AST 50:2012 - General Specifications of the Republic of Armenia flag" online and on page 8, this confirms the colors as reported by Yeraguyn.com. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors solved 

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message: This 2007 featured article does not quite meet the current standards (see WP:FACR).  There is significant uncited text, the design section is only a single sentence, and there is significant MOS:SANDWICH and other layout issues.  There also appears to be information in the lead not found in the body, such as some of the symbolism. Hog Farm  Talk 18:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article concerns 

message: The Myasnikovsky District derives from the Armenian flag due it historically having a large Armenian population, does it deserve a mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.133.254 (talk) 08:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If a source directly links them, probably at least a mention. CMD (talk) 08:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myasnikovsky District