Talk:Flaming Doctor Pepper

message: This article has moved back and forth between "Flaming Dr Pepper" and "Flaming Dr. Pepper" (note the difference in punctuation). It has finally come to rest at "Flaming Doctor Pepper" after deliberation between discospinster and Willscrlt, a member of Mixed Drinks WikiProject, in May 2008 and earlier deliberations between several people in January and February 2007.  Here is a copy of the recent discussion and also analysis of the Wikipedia guidelines leading to this decision.
Archived conversation - please do not modify
Hello. As you noted, the trademark is Dr Pepper (no period). Therefore, a Flaming Dr Pepper is an incorrect use of a trademarked brand name. It should correctly be Flaming Dr. Pepper (with a period) to indicate that the flaming version is, in fact, not the same thing (but something similar to) the trademarked brand. The only drinks that should omit the period are drinks that actually include honest-to-goodness Dr Pepper in them. Taste-alikes should include the period.
This was actually a consensus decision reached by Mixed Drinks Wikiproject members back in early 2007. It is even used as a specific example (5.2.1) in the "Policies specific to the List of cocktails" (which are more accurately "guidelines", but I didn't understand the distinction back when I first started that section).
None of this is to say that things couldn't be changed again and switched back the other way around. I have no intention of changing the new status quo, but I wanted you to know that there was historical discussion about the way things were prior to your recent change. Have a good day! --Willscrlt (Talk) 21:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update.  I deleted the article based on a request from another user, but now I see it's not that obvious.  I can move it back if you think it's preferable.  ... discospinster talk 21:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You know, maybe the better option would be to do as I did in this topic subject... avoid the issue entirely by redirecting BOTH Flaming Dr Pepper and Flaming Dr. Pepper to Flaming Doctor Pepper. That is even farther away from the trademark, yet is instantly readable and comprehensible for what it is. Still include a note at the top of each talk page, but that might be the best solution of all. What do you think? --Willscrlt (Talk) 22:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: A Google search shows about 32,000 results for  (and most of the results in the first few pages use the full stop), but only about 1,200 for .  I would suggest moving it back to Flaming Dr. Pepper with a note on the talk page explaining why it has the full stop.  Thoughts?  ... discospinster talk 00:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, how can I argue with that logic?!?  You make some great points.  I will move the article to Flaming Doctor Pepper and post our convo on the talk page.  But I think we should keep Flaming Dr Pepper as a redirect, as not everyone uses a full stop after abbreviations like Dr or Mr.  ... discospinster talk 02:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name: Dr, Dr., or Doctor? 

message: I think this article is misplaced. It shouldn't be in wikipedia. I suggest to remove this article and:
#Move all the article with the recipe to the Wikicookbook
#redirect this article to a subitem in the article Cocktail, with just a reference to Faming dr.Pepper
--Alexandre Van de Sande 16:43, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously the article has undergone much improvement since this suggestion was made, and it not longer applies. --Willscrlt (Talk) 04:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced article 

message: Made myself a Flaming Dr Pepper last night. Very nice. Anyway I'm pretty sure this wasn't the inspiration for the Simpsons episode as there are a number of flaming cocktails and this one seems one of the least similar.
:I'm with this guy. The Flaming Moe is made completely differently. It does not have a shot dropped in it, it tastes horrible until set on fire and it has completely different ingredients. What was the basis for stating the Flaming Moe is based on a Flaming Dr Pepper? The only thing they seem to have in common is the fact that you set them on fire, and there's more than one flaming drink in existance. --Teddywithfangs 04:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simpsons 

message: I could not find any reliable sources backing up the claim that the Ptarmigan Club was the origin of this drink. I know that Google results indicate that is true, but evaluating the actual content of the various links, it appears that they are only reprinting information found here at Wikipedia. Most of the information concerning the Gold Mine being the source seems to come from an AOL City Guide article making that claim. It is difficult to tell how reliable that article is since it is unsigned and undated. I was not able to determine how their articles are written (by professional journalists or common bar patrons for example). I did find several comments from average patrons that Gold Mine makes the best tasting Flaming Dr Peppers, but not really any indication that they did or did not create it.
I could not find any reference to the name vice Peppar, except Wikipedia itself, so I removed that name. Flaming Dr Pepper, Flaming Dr. Pepper, and Flaming Dr. Peppar are all fairly common search results. To help avoid confusion by readers, I created a section concerning the names. To avoid a self reference, I did not mention why our article is named "Doctor" instead of "Dr." or "Dr" (see the top of this page if you are curious).
I cut the Dr. Pepper shandy section to about half its size. I'm still not convinced that it even belongs in an article about Flaming Doctor Pepper. On the other hand, I don't know where else it would fit any better.
Does anyone know how relevant the Hot Rod film reference is under popular culture? If it's just a passing mention, it's just trivia and should be removed. If it is significant in the movie, then that should be expanded upon.
--Willscrlt (Talk) 08:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The current cite does not support the claim of Ptarmigan Club.  There are sources indicating Dave Brinks of The Gold Mine Saloon is the creator.  The article really needs to be updated.--Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 23:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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