Talk:Valley View Bridge

message: The reason I said it's a "something" bridge is because I was hoping, and am still hoping, that someone who knows what kind of bridge this is will come along and fix it. - Denimadept (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something 

message: *Merge - This article existed first, and it's a named article (VVB) rather than titled with only a descriptive title (I-480 Bridge), so this seems like the one to keep.  Not that I'm biased or anything, but I think this article has better organization. - Denimadept (talk) 18:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: The newspaper article which I just added as a reference states 1975 as the date of opening of the bridges and adjacent sections of 480 but other newspaper articles which I've just researched (and will be adding to the article) state "1978" like the article did before I edited it. I'll be on the lookout for more definitive information. Mapsax (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: says 1978, but it may have gotten that from here.  Your best bet is to check with Ohio. - Denimadept (talk) 23:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To make things more confusing, the Cleveland Memory Project says 1973. - Eureka Lott 00:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely check with Ohio. - Denimadept (talk) 04:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: USDOT's National Bridge Inventory (available in searchable format at http://www.nationalbridges.com/) says the bridges were built in 1975.  It's possible, however, that the bridges weren't open until later if the approaches weren't done. Brian Powell (talk) 17:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why "complete" and "open" are different entries in the infobox.  If you would provide the complete URL so we don't each have to do our own separate search, that'd be helpful. - Denimadept (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would normally give a direct link (or actually just cited it myself), but it's a form-driven lookup that isn't amenable to direct linking to the result.Brian Powell (talk) 21:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I guess it's 1978. Even though the Cleveland Memory Project says 1973, its source is Bridges of Metropolitan Cleveland, which itself says that the bridges were under construction in 1976. I don't have easy access to Plain Dealers before the 1980s, so I'll look for other sources. (The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History lists no date.) I'm not sure what "check with Ohio" means; the ODOT website is available to all, and contacting someone directly isn't a good source re Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence: "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question" – a general cite of "Ohio Department of Transportation District 12", i.e. "I e-mailed them and this is what the e-mail says", won't work because no verifiable text is available to the reader. Mapsax (talk) 19:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So find their website and refer to the appropriate bits? - Denimadept (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing relevant. (If you want to try, have at it) Mapsax (talk) 22:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Look what I found: Page 18 of this document says 1975 (IDs 1812521 and 1812548; ignore the July 1 date since ALL are dated July 1.) However, I think that I'll leave the article as-is right now since 1978 seems to be the most cited date, and the ECH says the bridges were under construction in 1976 (it'd be different if it said that I-480 was under construction then but that the bridges were completed at the time). Mapsax (talk) 19:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the article just written regarding the latest accident involving the bridge's height, it says 1977. Mapsax (talk) 05:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open 1975 or 1978