Talk:Oil exploration in Puntland

message: This article has a long way to go to reach GA, unfortunately
*I'm afraid this article doesnt even have an opening sentence, let alone a lead
*The key players section needs to be expanded to a get a more historical perspective of oil politics in the region, rather than just a list of parties to the negotiations
*When was oil first discovered here
*Large sections are unsourced with no references
*The references need to be fully filled out with things like publisher date, author, see  among others
*The article should not be written in present tense like a live play-by-play sports commentary
*Why is a fiar use image being stored on commons and used in this article
*The prose needs to be tightened up substantially
*The date formats are inconsistent
*scare quotes:Dr. Abdirahman Farole, is "relieved" of his duty -> POV without a source
*Sources needed for content that implies invovlement of living people in suspicious deaths
*Why does it use "$...USD" -> "dollars US dollars"
*Why are people constantly referred to by their nicknames with quote marks around them
Best regards, Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oil has not been discovered in Puntland in commercial quantities.  People here seem to forget that.  TastyCakes (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA failed 

message: Every mention of prospecting for oil brings protests that the companies are in it for their own profit. But that's the way of the world (even if it is a red-flag-waving National Oil Company in its own or an other country). Long before Buntilandi was invented oil companies (AGIP, CONOCO, Sinclair..) searched for oil in that part of the world, found nothing and left, millions of currency units out of pocket. In
the 1950s geophysical prospecting for oil was the major industry in the Somalilands. Who wants Oil in zxzxzxland? The oil companies because that's their business* and whichever politicians can claim to be in charge and worth (though not worthy of) sacks of figurative sugar. 
* he who sells only a goat is in business.--SilasW (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, Conoco left after declaring force majeur as the security situation deteriorated in the 90s, not because they didn't find any oil.  I've heard their early indicators were actually quite good.  TastyCakes (talk) 19:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

text: That (unless I'm confused) was their second bite at the Somali cherry stone. 
But by then, I'd guess, there had been ten or a dozen unsuccessful concessions in Somalia. Didn't Sinclair, who stayed there the longest, present a minister with a bottle holding their total production from Afgoi #1?--SilasW (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prospecting for oil 

message: I think this is very interesting the edit made below, it isn't vandalism at all but a rather revealing little post.
We will give you a brief summary of the legal case that was lodged at the Puntland High Court (Dated 11th December 2007), that has attached copies to the TFG, the Council of Elders, The Puntland Parliament. The case is still in the courts and we would not like to deal much in the details (Please Download Full Document Lodged 2MB).
The case looks at the following main issues:
*1. Contract and International Law and in particular "force Majeure" and "Nationalization" when can that be done?and who should own the concerned assets? and how do you get out of  "force majeure"? and was that done legally by the Puntland Government or the TFG?
*2. Who owns the rights to Land ownership and concessions for Natural Resources?
*3. Competition and  Monopolities Law - how transparent was the original contract that was given to Consort Pty Ltd when Dr.Ali Abdullahi showed interest in the Resources of Puntland even before Consort Pty.Ltd that farmed-in to Range Resources and then latter to CANMEX that has latter changed name to Africa Oil Ltd. The Chronology of events for Dr.Ali Abdullahi's Amsas Consulting goes back to 1996, while that of Consort,Range Resources and African Oil started only 2 years ago. African Oil  Corporation  that is a vehicle for the Lundins is also on the spot light for dishonesty and circumvention of contract.
*4.Lastly, what have these companies done for the last 3 years?  Amsas Consulting (an Australian company that is owned by me) did not go for any concessions in Puntland since it tried to respect the "force majeure" that was declared by original concession holders in late 1980's.Dr.Ali Abdullahi is advocating and petitioning the courts that for real ownership to be either with the Government or with an Indegenous company that is registered and owned by Somali (PUNTLANDERS).
Dr.Ali Abdullahi was one of the founding fathers of Puntland and the TFG before he fell out with both former Presidents Abdullahi Yusuf of the TFG and Adde Muse of Puntland.He was also a former Presidential candidate and an energy and Mining Management expert.
International companies can be invited latter when Somalia's Federal Government that has International recognition comes out of its political challenges by 2009, when we hope a constitution will be in place.  The amounts involved in the case runs into the Billions of Dollars.
:Interesting, yes, but appropriate?  This is a guy that, from what I can see, is saying "this wasn't fair, I didn't look to buy a concession because these other companies declared Force Majeur in the 80s!", and he filed a law suit (years ago, to apparently no effect) trying to say what?  That he deserves to be paid because an opportunity was denied to him?  He then says something like "I deserve the concession because I'm Somalian and my "company" has existed since 1996!"  The inescapable logic dulled perhaps only by the fact that he in all likelihood had no means to develop the concession at any time in its history, read: he had no money, expertise or appetite for the risk involved in the project.  If there are legal questions to be answered regarding the awarding of the concession, it's with the companies that declared force majeur in the first place and gave up their own concessions, but since they aren't suing the pants off of Range and Africa Oil there presumably isn't a case there.  This lawsuit appears to be totally bogus, and it seems this guy is plugging it into the article to try and bolster his claims.    TastyCakes (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking more about the fact that this touches upon the dispute between Puntland and the Transitional Government in 2007 over who exactly has the right to sell exploration rights.  Lawsuits regarding legalities should probably be included in the article for a broader picture.  Ingoman (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that both of those governments endorsed this PSA, so I'm not sure how this lawsuit demonstrates such a dispute.  And I do not agree that a frivolous law suit (as this one appears to be) is a useful addition to the article.  TastyCakes (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amsas edit 

message: It's a horribly written article, I'll have to clean it up. 26oo (talk) 05:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up

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message: The lede says “in Somalia, an autonomous region in northeastern Somalia...” That doesn’t make sense. Trilotat (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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