Talk:The American Pageant

message: Figured I'd make mention of IB history courses that also use this book.
Matcat1116 (talk) 22:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: IB Courses

message: We eventually need sources for the criticisms of the fourth edition.  We shouldn't be adding our own criticisms, however valid.  We don't need sources immediately, but we shouldn't add criticisms unless we think that someone has published them before.  --Allen 04:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotes are quotes, but the interpretation thereof is not cited. The opening clause comes to mind: "Published in 1971, this edition had language that would be deemed politically incorrect." Deemed politically incorrect by whom? I, for one, can see why about half of the quotes would be perfectly fine, if taken in context. Ourai т с 01:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed, and being unsourced, it's basically original research, so I've pulled it per WP:OR.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sources needed

message: This whole article seems to focus on edition-specific details that hardly matter in the scope of the whole book.  The chapter list and other minutiae are overwhelming and should be removed.  What's important about this book is a brief history of its existence, who uses the book, criticisms, and an approximate feel for its length and presentation style (e.g. chronological vs. topic-based; amount of primary sources).  I like the list of inaccuracies, but it too seems overwhelming and could be curtailed.
Barnaclese 23:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, chapter list removed.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: complete revision

message: the physical quality of these books is quite low, even for textbook standards. it should be addded that they are poorly made and that the books fall apart easy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.57.142 (talk • contribs) 17:40, January 25, 2007
:I would tend to disagree; my edition has taken quite a beating and still survived. Most textbooks are made to be durable; such a statement that Pageant's books are shoddy would definitely need some sort of reliable source. Maybe your book is just really old or worn out? Ourai т с 02:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: poorly made

message: Believe it or not, we've trimmed out enough stuff in this article to bring it back to stub status.  As such, I've added a  tag to the bottom, and changed the rewrite tag at the top to the unreferenced tag, since we're almost starting from scratch again.  So now we just need independent sources to verify stuff.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-stubbed 

message: This says its an AP level book, but Amazon bills it as in the  age 9 to 12 reading level. Something's amiss. R. fiend (talk) 13:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This book is used in most AP US History courses, but as far as reading difficulty, it is pretty straigtforward.  Both this article and Amazon are correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.124.133 (talk) 19:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Age level?

message: The American Pageant is mentioned by the book Lies my Teacher Told Me, to which there is a link in the See Also section. Perhaps that book's criticisms about The American Pageant should be incorporated. Sofa jazz man (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. And Thomas A. Bailey's autobiography no doubt should be used as a source to expand the article since the book details why and how he wrote the textbook, and how do readers view this book (e.g. Native Americans complained that he wrote from the point of view of the conquering whites, not that of the conquered and horribly abused Indian, and how far-right people criticized the book for allegedly having liberal prejudice).  is also a good source for having links to reliable sources about The American Pageant.--RekishiEJ (talk) 12:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism Section