Talk:Muhammad (name)

message: See also discussion on Talk:Muhammad (disambiguation). --Yury Petrachenko 05:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: While I commend Brianann MacAmhlaidh for the weight he places on reliable sources, I feel he is missing the point somewhat. The various variations of Mohammed come about because there is no agreed transliteration of Arabic (or Urdu, Farsi etc) into English. There can be little doubt that, in the vast majority of cases, the intention of the parents was to name their son after the founder of Islam. Therefore, but for the vagaries of transposing alphabets (and in particular the lack of vowels in semitic languages), they would all have chosen the same name.  In this sense, grouping all the variants of Mohammed provides a more meaningful statistic than listing them separately. (Perhaps a helpful analogy, would be in relation to place-names - I believe that few would argue that, say, references to Beijing and Peking (or Mecca and Makkah) should be treated as separate places.) On the subject of variants of Oliver, I'm hard-pressed to come up with anything other than 'Ollie', which, according to the ONS website, fails to make the 2009 top 100; so it's not clear that allowing in variants of Oliver - as I agree would be proper if variants of Mohammed are allowed - would give 'Oliver' much of a boost.  In passing, I feel the point reagarding William and Liam is not directly relevant, as, although the two are ultimately linked, William has Norman roots while Liam is Irish (from Ulliam) and, I would argue, the two are considered far from equivalent by most people - Liam V for the next King of England anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.90.97 (talk) 16:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: UK

message: *prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/201207Mohammed.htm  Mohammed now second most popular boys' name in Britain] --Striver - talk 10:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a reliable source for an encyclopaedia. The story on that website is one published by the Daily Mail, a tabloid newspaper. See my post a couple sections below for how the Daily Mail fudged their numbers to make an 'ethnic' name more popular than the most popular 'British' name. All they did was combine 12 variations of Muhammad together, and that combined number came out to a little bit larger than the top ranked Oliver. The Daily Mail didn't bother calculating the variations of Oliver together, or any other name -- if that had, they wouldn't have had a story to run with.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: UK

message: Was the profit Muhammad the first person to have that name?  Does anyone know the first person to have that name?
I, too, would like to know the answer to this question. I would guess that the prophet was not the first person called Muhammad. But then I would like to know how common the name was when the prophet was given his name.
"Muhammed" may have been a title used to refer to Jesus (of the gospels). See Muhammed, Muadh: the Title  St.Trond (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One scholar is not enough.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.66 (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: First person named Muhammad

message: The paragraph on transliterations of Muhammad is a little messy.  It was originally in the Etymology section, so I put it in a new section.  However, I feel that this is not enough, and a lot of languages still are not represented.  Does anyone want to make this into a table or list?  Oral Thrush (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliterations 

message: First, I'm not sure that the "List of prominent people named Muhammad" is really necessary. Seeing as how it's the most common first name in the world, this list would have to be enormous in order to have any hope of being complete. A search of "Muhammad" on wikipedia yields a whopping 17,429 articles. Granted, some of them probably just mention someone named Muhammed, but I've skimmed through the search results and it appears that most of the articles are about individuals named Muhammad, or one of the alternative spellings. By virtue of having a wikipedia article, all of these people are "prominent" and should therefore be on this list, which would obviously be far too long for a single article.
Second, the list is a mess. There's a section for first names, and a section for surnames. Fine. There are numerous names in the first name section that belong in the surname section, and some that occur in both. The surname section has nothing filled in under "lifespan" and very little under "description." Also, there doesn't appear to be a single reference anywhere in any section of the list. Just because they link to wikipedia articles doesn't mean that they don't need references.
Third, and probably most important, I'm concerned about neutral point of view. The list is primarily composed of politicians, artists, and athletes. Where are the controversial figures? Where are the terrorists? I see Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, although there is nothing in his "description" box; and I see one Taliban leader. That's it for controversial figures. Where is Mohamed Atta, who murdered several thousand innocent people? I'd say that he's "prominent." There are A LOT of terrorists named Muhammad (see http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard/index.html). The neutral point of view on this page is extremely lacking.
Klopek007 (talk) 09:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Added "multiple issues" tag to the names section, added details for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, added Mohamed Atta.  Klopek007 (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the list 

message: Why is this great name not in the list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safdarmarwat (talk • contribs) 22:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you add it? Klopek007 (talk) 09:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad bin Qasim 

message: The article doesn't seem to mention the practice in some cultures of the name being generally a prefix or part of a compound name where the person will generally never be referred to as Muhammad only but as Muhammad whatever (or possibly just whatever). It does mention how some people may not be referred to as Muhammad but by their second name but doesn't really explain it and this is also incomplete. The article Bangladeshi name, Malaysian names and possibly others do mention the practice. Nil Einne (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have added this information almost at the beginning. Basically, Muhammad is shortened to Md. or Mohd. but people are called with their second name when one is available. Everybody is welcomed to improve this piece of information.2001:4CA0:2216:0:CCD2:B6B4:9D27:140E (talk) 09:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prefix 

message: I proposed to simplify the hatnote at Muhammed, please comment here Siuenti (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  I proposed to simplify the hatnote at [[Muhammed]], 

message: Possible Cognate in Hebrew ?
Hebrew Bible Machmed - Son of Dumah, Son of Nebioth, Son of Ishmael, Son of Abraham ?
 מַחְמָד machmâd, makh-mawd'; from H2530; delightful; hence, a delight, i.e. object of affection or desire:—beloved, desire, goodly, lovely, pleasant (thing).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.5.76 (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Name and cognates 

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thread_title:  My name umar ke mahine ke  

message: Abdullahi umar danlami  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.88.45.89 (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abdullahi umar danlami