Talk:Charley Parkhurst

message: To my extent of knowledge, Charley Parkhurst was never called "Mountain Charley", but that is the name of another notable woman "Charley".Spicy Banana 23:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountain Charley? 

message: Everything I've ever read about Parkhurst claims that she was the first woman to vote in the US, but this is almost certainly untrue. If we counts votes during the colonial period, Wikipedia itself claims that Lydia Taft was first, in 1765. According to , the first colonial woman voted in 1647. That vote was thrown out, but a successful vote was cast in 1655. After independence, New Jersey gave women the right to vote until 1807. There are no records, but presumably at least one woman took advantage of this right. And women in other states were occasionally allowed to vote on special issues. Also, did no other women vote fraudulently before Parkhurst? At best, Parkhurst can only claim to be the first woman to vote in California, and I'm willing to bet against even that. -- Scott eiπ 23:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Autry National Center included her in its exhibit series, Out West (2009-2010). It said she was the first woman to vote in a presidential election in California, which is more qualified than just voting in an election.Parkwells (talk) 03:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: First woman to vote

message: The article needs a careful reworking to replace "he" with "she" and "his" with "her", except where contemporary sources are being quoted.  Since we now know that Charley Parker was a woman, referring to her as a man or "it" in Wikipedia is just plain silly.  Moreover, some of the passages are written in a colloquial, unencyclopedic style, as if they were plagiarized from printed or Web sources.—QuicksilverT @ 20:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schizophrenic writing 

message: News of Charley's death reached New York and the New York Tribune printed a small article on January 1st. 1880: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1880-01-01/ed-1/seq-1/ . The print is rather blurred but reads : Title: 'SUCCESSFUL CONCEALMENT OF SEX.',-'San Francisco, Dec 31.- A person known for the past twenty-five years as Charles Parkhurst who has led the life of a stage driver and farmer during this time in California died last Sunday, near Watsonville, when it bacame known for the first time that the deceased was a woman.'MZionC (talk) 11:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slightly better grammar in New York 

message: I saw a TV movie around the year 2000, can't recall exactly when, that had a plot that was amazingly similar to Charley's life and in fact may have been based on her life. In the movie, the woman dresses as a man because she can't make it out west as a woman. She ends up being a rancher/farmer, hires Chinese make who uses opium, and has an affair with him. In the movie there's no hint she's a lesbian, just dressing as a man in order to make a living. Her gender isn't discovered til she dies. I can't recall the title nor the actress, so I am afraid I can't tell you the name or link to it. If anyone knows the title of this movie, please post here and on my talk page. Tks! BarkingMoon (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: TV Movie

message: I myself strongly suspect that Charley was in fact impersonating her brother who had died at the orphanage; he could have been headed for a job tending horses on being legally released from the orphanage, and so this could have been an easy route of escape for her.Glammazon (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charley's Secret 

message: The movie is called The Ballad of Little Joe and was originally released in theatres in 1993.  The title role was played by an actress named Suzy Amis, and the director was also a woman, named Charlotte Greenwood.Glammazon (talk) 05:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ''THE BALLAD OF LITTLE JO''

message: For his entire adult life, Charley Parkhurst presented as a man to everyone and presumably described himself as male to other people. For his entire adult life, Parkhurst was called by male pronouns. In other words, Parkhurst publicly self-identified as male--not female. Therefore, according to Wikipedia's MOS:IDENTITY guidelines, Parkhurst IS a man and should be referred to as one in this article unless we are dealing with direct period quotations. He may have lived in a transphobic society that decided after his death that he was "really" a woman, but that does not make him a woman. This is the 21st century, and in Wikipedia articles, we consider a subject's self-identification when determining their gender; we do not consider other random people's opinions as to what subject's gender "really" is. I've changed the pronouns and certain other phrasing within this article to reflect this. Rebecca (talk) 12:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charley Parkhurst is a man 

message: I am a little concerned about the obituary quotes in the "Posthumous Revelation" section. I looked in the online New York Times archive and could not find the given quote in the listed article. There was, however, the second quote, supposedly from the San Francisco Morning Call. I'm fairly inexperienced at all this, so I don't feel justified making any changes, but I would appreciate someone looking into it. Here's the link for the archive article I found: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9502E2D91131EE3ABC4153DFB766838B699FDE CiaraMisaki (talk) 03:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for including the link to the NY Times article - it was a reprint of an obit from the San Francisco Call, as it indicates at the top of the article (Correspondence from the San Francisco Call). Absent a source showing a scanned or transcribe copy of the original SF Call article, I agree with you on concerns, and suggest we use only the content of the Call via the NY Times for any quotes. I found both quotes in that article, except for the end note about a "woman's body, perfectly formed," or whatever it had said, so removed that. They were in different sections of the lengthy article. Parkwells (talk) 03:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Times Obituary Quote 

message: I have removed "Mary" as a birth name, as it was not sourced. The sources I have noted say that Charlotte was her birth name. Sources are needed for her mother's name and siblings. Also, statements about Ebenezer remarrying are confusing - hid it. Was he supposedly the father? Some material appears to be taken from fictional works: a fictional memoir and novel. They do not identify their sources. Parkwells (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for birth family and name?

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Charley Parkhurst. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110725132507/http://californialegacy.org/radio_anthology/scripts/wheeler.html to http://californialegacy.org/radio_anthology/scripts/wheeler.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:54, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Charley Parkhurst. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110714063529/http://www.mcpost.com/article.php?id=1369 to http://www.mcpost.com/article.php?id=1369
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070930203707/http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/October/08/local/stories/07local.htm to http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/October/08/local/stories/07local.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Per previous talk between Rebecca and Tracy in sections "Charley Parkhurst is a man" and "Let's be more careful ascribing 21st century ideas to 19th century people", I have edited the article for pronoun and terminology consistent with the fact that Charley Parkhurst most recently self-designated as a man. This is accurate according to the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If anyone wishes to contest this, for the love of God, at least keep the article internally consistent in terms of pronouns.
Also, for the record, trans people have always existed. Even if the wording was different (or hidden, or sensationalized) in the 19th century, there are examples of 19th century transgender men aside from Charley Parkhurst, such as Frank Dubois, who was publicly outed in Wisconsin in 1883. His wife continually reinforced that he was a man. Read more about him in Emily Skidmore's book "True Sex" if you're interested.
Gatsbythegerbil (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronoun consistency 

message: Charley Parkhurst was a woman and it is disingenuous and misogynistic to claim she was trans. Women were rarely in a position to live independent lives at that time and choosing to pose as a man was one way round the rigid sexism. This does not make a woman who chose such a life trans. Stop erasing women. ChoppersNick (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a person who lived their entire life as a man.  MOS:GENDERID is clear here. Trysha (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: She was a woman and could not have lived her life the way she wanted to without masquerading as a man. How dare you impose your political agenda on history and erase a woman from her own life and time. 86.2.222.37 (talk) 23:50, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, we are going with MOS:IDENTITY here.  I'm not a transgender man, but one could equally make the argument that you are erasing transgender men. But that doesn't matter. The manual of style for the site is pretty clear.  Other users above have hashed this out already repeatedly Trysha (talk) 00:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

text: As soon as the protect was removed, this person went back to it.  Trysha (talk) 20:41, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charley Parkhurst was a woman. 

message: I first learned of One Eyed Charley while living in Santa Cruz in the late '70s.  It was at a popular, hip restaurant that featured his story on the menu. They featured many varieties of most excellent hearty soups, and I'm not generally a soup eater. Soup may have been their specialty. I'm pretty sure it was called One Eyed Charley's, but I can't find it on google. I miss those barley soups! Cheers!  --2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:F433:BE1F:AED0:42D4 (talk) 11:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More in popular culture  

message: i read a book on Charley when I was younger and he really inspired me, This was before lots of people were aware of the term trans myself included so when I had read about Charley that was the first time i had felt like i could relate to charecter in a book EVER. 
i was really exccited to see him in the wiki becuase i feel asthough he is a lesser known figure in history though i am sad to see so many people arguging about his gender he is dead that is a skelton if your really so curiuss about who he is in death versus who he was in life look up a picture of a skelton that should give you a pretty good clue 
and for those of you saying it was the 19th century gender was different, obvoiusly but being born one gender at birth and then living as a diffrent one your life has always been a thing and always will be today it just has a name transgender , gravity has always exsited issac newton just put a name to it (and discovered and reaserched it etc) sorry if my english is bad it isnt my first languge 
 i just wanted to say a thank you to Charley you helped me more than you could know 192.180.110.52 (talk) 01:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you Charley But also He is a Skelton at the end of the day.