Talk:Around the World in Eighty Days

message: Does anyone know why hot air balloons are so strongly associated with this book, when they're not actually used in it? Nearly every printing of the book has a hot air balloon on the cover, and all the movie and TV versions seem to make lots of use of hot air balloons. Was there a popular early film adaptation that had a big hot air balloon sequence? Or is it just people think of it because they think it was an exotic form of transportation in the mid 1800s? --4.246.9.106 03:05, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can only imagine it is due to some confusion between Jules Verne's '...80 Days' novel and 'Five Weeks in a Balloon' novel. I think '5 weeks...' was written first, but I don't know when either became well know or more popular. Maybe it was in a joint edition of both books together or something, where the cover picture was from '5 weeks...' and people who didn't know the stories thought the balloon was for '...80 days' and so when creating covers for future editions based them on this older edition. Evil Eye 09:12, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Because Verne was inspired by reading a newspaper article that showed how, with the wonders of modern passenger travel, it was now possible to travel around the world in eighty days using only regularly-scheduled ships and trains. The key event, if I recall correctly, was the opening of the trans-India railway, which knocked a month or two off the travel time. --Paul A 06:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the Trans-indian railway took so much off the time. The sea distance around India seem to be 1900 nm, and would take eight days in a 10 knot steam ship. A much larger saving, several months, was made possible thanks to the Trans-USA railway and the Suez canal.-- BIL 23:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hot air balloon 

message: Jules Verne’s mother had a Scottish ancestor from 1462 and the family lived in, and he grew up in, Nantes in Brittany.  Brittany has this name as it is the area of France where Celtic Romanised Britons fled to escape the Anglo Saxons who invaded Britain after Rome withdrew from there.  Verne visited Scotland, England and America, and a number of his stories have English speaking characters and settings.  Whether he spoke English I haven’t been able to find out, but as in ’80 days’ his works can have a decidedly English setting and seeming understanding.  Phileas Fogg, the Reform club and the life of a ‘Gentleman’ in London of the day, and a lot of the travel is through parts of the British Empire and English speaking USA.
There had long existed the practise of countries providing letters or documents requesting safe travel for the holder in other countries.  In 1858 the UK introduced a form of this that we would know as a Passport today, about 15 years before ’80 days’.
Could it be that the name of Fogg’s butler ‘Passepartout’ is a pun?  A phonetic pronunciation of this name is ‘pass-port-too’.  To travel around the world in eighty days you needed a Passport too?  A literal translation of the name from French is ‘passes everywhere’, so even in French it could still be a pun, Fogg needed someone to help him ‘pass everywhere’.
(This was put up by B C James who didn't read the instructions properly and so my details didn't appear, when I work out how to do it I'll add it.)
:I consider this explanation idle speculation. Passepartout, at least the way we use it in German as a word borrowed from French, means "fits everything" and is used for the neutral background in a picture frame. Passepartout as a name could thus just mean that Passepartout can cope with any situation he is confronted with - he will never feel out of place.
: Unless there is proof that his name is a pun on "Passport" (maybe by a contemporary review of his book), I wouldn't add this.
: I don't think it's a pun, as the word doesn't stem from "Passport". I believe "Passe-partout" (fits everywhere, goes everywhere) is French for "master key" or "skeleton key", one that opens all doors. I suppose in the novel, it was a reference to the jolly fellow's rich experience in trades and professions of all kinds. --Krickles 23:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Passepartout 

message: I removed this passage as it's only one anecdote among many on the trip and very much out of context. If someone wants to find a better place for it please feel free to. 
During the train ride across America, Passepartout and other passengers meet some Mormon missionaries. Though the other passengers leave, Passepartout listens to their entire explanation of the Mormon religion, but when he is asked to join the religion he refuses.
~ trialsanderrors 07:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormons 

message: The previous version had obvious factual errors realted to not understanding this film is a parody of the other films by the same title; and so I've fixed them. Joncnunn 19:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan's parody [2004]

message: In all the English editions of the book to which I have access, Chapter XXVII Paragraph 17 is translated from the original French as:
The Salt Lake, seventy miles long and thirty-five wide, is situated three miles eight hundred feet above the sea.
This is an elevation to rival the Himalayas! Surely the text should read three thousand eight hundred feet above the sea.
My native French colleague tells me that the French for mile and thousand are similiar. The modern elevation given for the Great Salt Lake is some 4200 feet. 
It is my suggesion that Verne was mistranslated at an early date and that this mistake has propagated. Am I correct? Should this be put right? Can this be put right? - Hawden 10th February 2008
As a resident of Salt Lake City, Utah, I can confirm that the great salt lake is at approximately 4200 feet, so yes, that is correct. -- Javawizard (talk) 03:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elevation of the Great Salt Lake 

message: I calulated what £20,000 would be worth in 2007 using an online inflation calculator and got a figure of £1.2 million Harry Hayfield (talk) 21:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just coming here to ask about the same thing. We really should change these numbers. --Khajidha (talk) 00:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency Conversion Issue 

message: The Verne quote about reading the story about going around the world and realizing the effect of the IDL is quoted as "There was a dénouement [sic] ready found".  Why the [sic]?  The climax of the story is arriving in London 5 min late; realizing that he's on time after all and the story has a happy end is thus quite correctly called a dénouement: "Conflicts are resolved, creating normality for the characters and a sense of catharsis, or release of tension and anxiety, for the reader.. Jpatokal (talk) 08:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dénouement [sic]? 

message: "1889 – Nellie Bly undertook to travel around the world in 80 days for her newspaper, the New York World. She managed to do the journey within 72 days, meeting Verne himself in Amiens. Her book about the trip, Around the World in Seventy-Two Days, became a best seller."
Isn't 'Nellie Bly' a pen name for Elizabeth Jane Cochran? Calineed (talk) 08:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nellie Bly? 

message: We know Robert Morley plays one of Fogg's friends in the club. Is Desmond "Q" Llewellyn sitting on Morley's left when Fogg first makes the bet? Grassynoel (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not according to IMDb. Doniago (talk) 13:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform Club Members 

message: There are some dead or broken links.
And someone constantly deletes links to precious {in my opinion} and rare (to English and to French versions) videobooks {audiobook with Text on Screen} on YouTube  which are very helpful for foreign language learners much more than just audiobooks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.108.105.22 (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead or broken Links; Videobook links 

message: In the TV Adaptations section, the 1984 cartoon "La Vuelta al Mundo de Willy Fog" (known as "Around the World with Willy Fog" in English) is listed by its Japanese name of "Hachijuu Nichikan Sekai Isshu" with a release date of 1987.  While it is true that the series was animated in Japan (by Studio Nippon, as listed), it was BRB Internacional who created the series (originally in Spanish).  Therefore, I am suggesting an edit to reflect this, removing the Japanese title and date, and using the better known English name (and Wiki link) as the main heading, referencing its original Spanish title and production company.  It might also be an idea to change the citation link from the Animé website currently listed to BRB's Willy Fog page (http://brbplay.com/en/shows/willy-fog-en), as this is the official website for the programme.
46.65.125.82 (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for the suggestion. The Around the World with Willy Fog article supports the fact that this is a Spanish series, that was "also dubbed into Japanese". DoctorKubla (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Cartoon Version 

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message: As so often on Wikipedia, editors with no sense of irony accuse me of doing things with no explanation, while they revert my edits without explanation having ignored my explanation.  Probably they find it funny.
I removed the section "Literary significance and criticism".  I explained why in an edit summary.  The reason is that it's totally unencyclopaedic.  Presenting arbitrary quotes from arbitrary sources with no context or narrative thread is not a worthwhile thing to do.  So, what happened?
#User:Denisarona reverted, saying "Before deleting, get consensus on the Talk page".  I am under no such obligation.  Note the lack of any reason for the revert.  This user does very little on wikipedia but revert other people's edits, 99% of the time without explaining why.
#User:Brianga reverted, saying "Rv blanking".  Again, no reason given for reverting.  The user left me a message falsely claiming that I hadn't explained my edit.
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#User:Kevinalewis reverted, saying "please leave alone and discuss this change in the Talk page".  Yet again, no actual reason given for reverting.
If someone has an actual reason to think this content is encyclopaedic, perhaps they'd have the courtesy to share it with us.  193.60.234.210 (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for starting the debate here - as you have so ably demonstrated numbers of editors think differently than you - on what basis is this unencyclopedic. I do agree it is a little "bullet point" in character and deserves a little more background and linking narrative - but that can be added. Just removing what is beneficial with "unencyclopedic" and against the prevailing editorial opinion - and then doing it again today - is franckly impolite! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You have reverted, again, and you have failed to give a reason for reverting, again.  If you cannot think of a reason why you reverted, then don't revert.  If no-one bothers to explain why they want this section in the article, then there is no "prevailing editorial opinion", is there?  193.60.234.210 (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Two more unexplained reverts.  Six users have now restored this unencyclopaedic material without bothering to think of any reason based on policy or guidelines for doing so.  Shameful.  193.60.234.210 (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: it is painful having to defend this when you are the only editor here that seems of this opinion.:: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Above, you say that you are under no obligation to get consensus on a talk page before making your edit. Of course that's true but I don't understand, then, why you think all of us need to now defend our edits to you. Brianga (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

text: I have reported the IP at both WP:3RN and WP:AIV, the former for edit-warring at the article, the latter because they were previously editing under another IP (even at this article) which is currently blocked, so right now they shouldn't be editing at all. DonIago (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: IP has been blocked for a month, so I'd say there's nothing to see here, at least for the time-being. Thanks all. DonIago (talk) 14:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: User:Swaggydude changed the itinerary from 80 days to 79 days  with an edit comment "I changed the number of days since in the book it actually took only 79 days". However, this is the itinerary given at the start of the book  and Fogg makes the journey in only 79 days because some parts of the journey are made in less time than the Daily Telegraph's estimate. For example: "The Mongolia was due at Bombay on the 22nd; she arrived on the 20th. This was a gain to Phileas Fogg of two days since his departure from London, and he calmly entered the fact in the itinerary, in the column of gains."
I believe this should be changed back to 80 days to be consistent with the itinerary in Chapter Three of the book:
Here is the estimate made by the Daily Telegraph:
     From London to Suez via Mont Cenis and Brindisi, by rail and steamboats .................  7 days
     From Suez to Bombay, by steamer .................... 13  "
     From Bombay to Calcutta, by rail ...................  3  "
     From Calcutta to Hong Kong, by steamer ............. 13  "
     From Hong Kong to Yokohama (Japan), by steamer .....  6  "
     From Yokohama to San Francisco, by steamer ......... 22  "
     From San Francisco to New York, by rail ............. 7  "
     From New York to London, by steamer and rail ........ 9  "
       Total ............................................ 80 days."
If it is to be 79 days and reflect Fogg's journey, then Suez to Bombay needs to be changed, and other segments too.  I suggest we go with the book, and 80 days. Ttwaring (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it not make sense, though, to include the actual itinerary? Under the section on plot, I would think the actual itinerary is more important than the planned one. What do you think? Samton748 (talk) 09:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a published reference that can be used, then the actual itinerary would be useful. If the only way of getting it is for an editor to go through the book and decide how long everything took, then that sounds like original research and should not be included. Ttwaring (talk) 13:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itinerary: 79 days or 80 days? 

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message: Leaving Ney York, Phileas Foogg ask to the Captain of Henrietta "to bring him to Liverpool". But the Captain is from Cardiff and the journey would be shorter via Cardiff than via Liverpool.
Actually, the fastest way would be New-York-Southampton-London...this is what Queen Mary II do. Phil94 (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Liverpool ? 

message: According to Britannica, this book was first published serially in Le Temps in 1872. I edited the article to reflect this. Let me know if you have thoughts on my edits. Samton748 (talk) 09:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Serial Publication Date 

message: Is it Le tour du monde en quatre-vingts jours or Le tour du monde en 80 jours? 86.15.168.232 (talk) 06:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like quatre-vingts jours - scanned original and disambiguation page - although the book cover has 80, presumably to use the available space better. Ttwaring (talk) 22:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original title 

message: Two sections should be added to this article:
* Translations: as Verne wrote in French (which itself isn't mentioned in this article), English readers rely on translations. There's been controversy on the accuracy of translations of other Verne works; we need a list of translations of this book, along with commentary on the differences
* Criticism: at least in the George Makepeace Towle translation, there are many instances of racism and religious stereotypes
-- Dan Griscom (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs two new sections: Translations, and Criticism