Talk:Arsinoe IV

message: I'm going to give the article a rewrite.  It's rather confusing, doesn't have any sources cited & some of its information directly contradicts some sources I have.  For instance, the portions of the Egyptian empire she's cited as ruling weren't even Egyptian possessions anymore; certainly by the time Pompey concluded his campaigns in the East it had all been annexed by Rome.  (Of course Mark Antony subsequently attempted to cede it back to Cleopatra after Arsinoë's death.)  And Macedonia was never an Egyptian province & by Arsinoe's time had been a Roman province for over a century. Binabik80 16:18, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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message: Some interesting sources have been added about her possible tomb.  I'm puzzled by one sentence though: If the body in the tomb is Arsinoë, then she was born between 59 BC and 56 BC......  I don't understand how the discovery of her skeleton tells us when she was born?  Surely only the age of death? --Michael C. Price talk 19:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If her death is dated with certainly it does indeed follow.  I thought I read somewhere that we weren't sure of her death date (although I admit this does seem a rather puzzling claim -- I must have misread something). I've removed the  tag. --Michael C. Price talk 13:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tomb at Ephesus

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:having not intended to spare her, and the people acting only on sentiment, indicates that she was then probably no more than a little girl
No where is it said that she was spared because she was "no more then a little girl". She was spared because the people saw her as a queen now in chains, released under consideration for her brothers (Dio Cassius). The role she played in having Achillas killed and taking control of the armed forces during the Alexandrian Wars indicates again she was older, probably between 16-18 yrs old, not a "little girl".  Also in describing her Aulus Hirtius (Caesar's Commentaries) clearly uses the term woman in a derogatory way indicating she was older. Dio Cassius also calls her as a "woman"(gynh) during Caesar's parade, indicating again she was older: 
:The lictors, on account of their numbers, appeared to them a most outrageous multitude, since never before had they beheld so many at one time: and the sight of Arsinoe, a woman and once called a queen in chains, a spectacle which had never yet been offered in Rome at least, aroused very great pity, and in consequence on this excuse they incidentally lamented their personal misfortunes. She. to be sure, was released out of consideration of her brothers, but other including Vercingetorix were put to death. ~ Dio Cassius 
:To dismiss their king and suffer him to rejoin his subjects; that the people, weary of subjection to a woman, of living under a precarious government, and submitting to the cruel laws of the tyrant Ganymed, were ready to execute the orders of the king: and if by his sanction they should embrace the alliance and protection of Caesar, the multitude would not be deterred from surrendering by the fear of danger. ~ Aulus Hirtius  (Angar432 (talk) 19:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: She was spared because she was a little girl??

message: "betw. 68 and 56 BC". My guess is that it is a type error, it should be 65 BC, not 56 --Finn Bjørklid (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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message: According to a recent BBC4 Documentary called "Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer", experts are now convinced the body in the tomb at Ephesus is indeed Princess Arsinoe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.218.149 (talk) 21:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever's responsible for citing this BBC documentary as a source about a half-dozen times in the article must realize it has NO documentary value. Primary sources—Caesar, Dio, Appian, et al.—are needed in support of all significant claims about Arsinoe's life.Prohairesius (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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message: The title of the book of Stacy Schiff, that is used in the reference with the number 22, should be added, because it is missing. - Kind regards Oskar71 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
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