Talk:Google Groups

message: https://support.google.com/groups/thread/61391913?hl=en&msgid=62478151  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.183.0.26 (talk) 22:33, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  banning groups 

message: Has anyone spotted any other outdated images other than the image of the Google Groups homepage when not logged in? --Troy Plummer 18:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the screenshots are oudated. I'm going to take a new series of screenshots, this time using Opera. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Outdated Images

message: This I am 100% certain of.  The very first web-based USENET indexing site was called REMARQ (remarq.com).  The people that started DejaNews acquired remarq and its assests and renamed the site to DejaNews.com.  I find it very strange that I can find almost no reference to the even existence of remarq.com anywhere in this article.  In fact, its hard to find stuff about it on the web in general.
I swear to god, remarq existed ...somebody else other than me has to remember this!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.12.162 (talk) 07:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The name rings a bell.  I started using usenet back in about 1994.  I believe I recall Remarq from about that time or shortly (a year or two) afterwards.  Toby Douglass (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remarq was a seperate service, they used to offer paid searches and the like. Deja and Remarq both existed site by side and Deja may have acauired Remarq but Deja and mark were seperate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.26.68.91 (talk) 03:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remarq.com is now (2010) owned by Supernews, formerly super.zippo.com, one of the earliest premium usenet providers. Shalom S. (talk) 04:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEJANEWS used to called REMARQ 

message: As for the part that said: "At one point in 1998, DejaNews even honored requests to change contents or headers of posts that were already in the archive. Occasionally a person would modify posts made by an adversary by forging their Internet address onto requests to change the posts."
This is actually true. I don't know who deleted this paragraph, but Deja in 1998 definitely did honor requests to change posts, and some of them were modified by forgers. 69.61.208.42 03:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deja's honoring of requests to change posts 

message: Although I am working on cleaning up the article, and would appreciate feedback on it, you can edit the image tags to position the images properly - I don't know how to do this and if you want, you can explain how at my talk page. In addition, for the unformatted image that appears after the second paragraph in the "Interface and Features" section (NOT the small, right-aligned image), I want to show an external link, which when clicked on, displays a picture, instead of including the picture in the article. How do I do this? J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images and Feedback 

message: The Google Groups article states that "They can also create their own groups and access Usenet newsgroups dating back to 1975." But this is not true because the oldest USENET article dates back to 1981. More Information can be found here: http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html - I will change that on the article.  Albert Valentin
:Actually I checked the link provided above, and it appears that all the links older than 1983 are now dead.Ottawahitech (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Groups Archives dates back to... 

message: Google Groups has recently undergone several major updates, particularly to the interface, with new features. Do you think I should take screenshots of the new Google Groups homepage and upload them to the article? I have changed my browser from Mozilla Firefox to Opera, so should I take the screenshots in Opera, given that the current screenshots were taken in Firefox?
In addition, do you think I should include a list of notable Google groups? One such group is Gmail Help Discussion, an official group for Gmail users to ask questions and give answers about Gmail. I know several other official groups that deserve mention, as well as some unofficial groups that deserve mention. For Google groups, the criteria for notability will focus less on Wikipedia's criteria. It will instead focus on the membership count and activity of the group, as well as the content of the group (groups filled with spam will not be included) and its impact on Google Groups as a whole. Usenet groups will not be included. Groups containing adult content will not be included.
I understand the disadvantages of including such a list, such as spam links, so I wish to discuss this with other users before adding the list. Meanwhile, I will discuss on Google Groups to determine which groups will get listed.
In addition, I am considering creating a Google group for Wikipedia, and if it grows large and active enough, I will list it here.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 06:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would consider group listing here advertisement. Concerning a Wikipedia Google Group, has one been made?Jasper Deng (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates to Google Groups interface and list of notable Google groups. 

message: Is Google Groups really beta software?  I know google label it as such, but nevertheless I'm unsure whether it warrants the beta software tag. --Oscarthecat 13:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this because Google classes it as beta, Google says a lot of their servicesa are beta, and surely they do it for a reason which isn't clear to the pulic.  We should rea\lly respect this as an encyclopaedia. Martin Porcheron 20:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Groups is no longer beta as of today (1/24/07) and according to , so I'm removing the beta tag. --LoganK 18:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beta Software tag

message: Perhaps the article should be more clear about the difference between Google groups and Usenet groups (which appear as the same thing to people who read them through the Google interface): this is not obvious for newbies. Apokrif 15:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And an endless source of annoyance to the rest of the usenet population. I think the article should be re-written to more clearly reflect what are its origins and what are later google embracings and extendings. Perhaps a separate section on the conflict it creates within usenet (many people will tell googlegroupers to fuck off, or will just entirely killfile and ignore them). Also: google groups abuse handling is very poor, giving them a poor reputation with actual usenet server admins. I think that this article is not a good article as it is leaves out the views of the larger usenet population on this service. 85.178.79.63 (talk) 09:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems very similar to the hostility of long-time Usenetters towards AOL users as documented in Eternal September.  As with that article, any commentary bemoaning the arrival of clueless newbies is almost always original research.  There have to be reliable sources to merit inclusion in this article -- and as a leaderless community, USENET doesn't really have a reliable source of information of its own. White 720 (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Google groups and Usenet groups 

message: Unsourced section. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 11:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOR suffocated me again. I considered Richardshusr's nomination of this article, which I wrote, premature and too early. I plan on expanding and improving the article in August, then sending it for a Peer Review so it will become a Good Article by September. Although finding sources will be a huge problem, I'd appreciate your feedback on this article. I also withdrew Richardshusr's Good Article nomination of the other article I wrote, Homerun, because I consider the nomiation premature and don't want it to affect Homerun's future chances of becoming a Good Article after I expand (and Peer Review) it in August and September. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would have hoped for a more expansive analysis of the areas where the article needed improvement to reach GA status.  If one unsourced section is the only deficiency, then that should be easily addressed.  Perhaps a peer review would help.
--Richard 05:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your unsourced section could be rewritten to incorporate and reference the recent discovery of "copyrighted" materials through Google Groups, and the battle between Google and the DMCA.  Here is the letter sent to Google, and a FAQ page. This is a security-driven issue.Groovyjoker 19:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: * Lead section is a bit small.
* History section should be bigger, at least give insight in what Deja.com had. Give more details in what was the necessity of Google to acquire the Groups concept. Add information about Michael Schmitt findings of the posts on Groups before 1995 and stuff like that.
* The Interface features sounds like a How-to guide to me. (I might be biaised) and this probably to decrease the number of threads dealing with the same topics over and over again. is original research.
* Joining/subscribing to a group sounds like advertisement.
* Official Google Groups sounds like advertisement. Reducing it to the minimum would help and adding prose would also be beneficial. Lincher 01:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA request of more comments 

message: Google Groups is commonly criticized for being a poor Usenet interface. I don't know the details (ie what other Usenet providers have that Google Groups doesn't) since I do use Google Groups, but I've seen the criticisms a million times. There should be a note of that in the criticisms section. I don't know of any official references (which is why I'm not putting it there myself; I don't want to get attacked for WP:NOR), but it's a fact that should be noted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dlevenstein (talk • contribs) 01:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just been trying to look at some old Usenet posts from around the turn of the century, and Google Groups has made it REALLY hard for me to do this by ruining the principle behind threading.  Rather than allowing me to browse discussion threads, I have to browse months and then the discussion threads within that month.  It's a stinker.  It would also be useful to have a 'dead' message where there was an X-Archive:No instruction so that I can see how many posts are missing. Things were fine in the dejanews days, and in the days before Google implemented its current Groups interface.  Matthew 20:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A reference for the criticism is found at http://improve-usenet.org and I have add a citation for it. Zen Clark (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Groups & Usenet 

message: I tried out Google Groups and noticed the new version (Beta) which I liked. Now, a few days after, I am no longer able to access any Beta-Groups pages because I get redirected instantly to the old version. This happens in Firefox and IE both, but luckily I am able to get in using Opera, but I don't normally use Opera and I guess nor does that many others, so "in practice" there is a serious problem. At least I suspect it doesn't only happen to me, this redirecting. I did look for information and there are a few pages on the web talking about his error, some are from several years back, I think. 62.16.172.136 14:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Groups beta has replaced the old Google Groups therefore the subdomain groups-beta.google.com now redirects to groups.google.com.  If you are still seeing the old version of Google Groups (yellow) at groups.google.com then it may be a local caching issue with your ISP or local Google datacentre.  Martin Porcheron need help? just ask! 11:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks so much for clearing that up, I see now that in Opera it also redirects, like you say, but it is still the blue "beta" design (in Firefox it is the yellow old design). I hadn't realized that the old Groups had been replaced by the (former) "beta" version. I guess the caching will only take a little while before they are updated then so that Firefox and IE will show the new version correctly... Thanks again. 62.16.172.136 13:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Error: Beta redirects to old version...

message: I tried to add this before, but it was removed for original research. I would think that Google Groups itself would serve as evidence that it is being criticized to this day. The link I had provided was ; just look at the group that that message connects to, and you'll notice users were screaming at Google from the start.
If you look at their Is Something Broken group, you'll notice that half the traffic is people yelling at Google to fix their interface, whether it be hot-headed posting or cool-headed posting the list of bugs and the sad fact of the matter that Google hasn't been there to help.
Does this not constitute as evidence? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dlevenstein (talk • contribs) 12:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not really evidence, and is still mere opinion. There are plenty of people, including me, that like it. Mambo Jambo 22:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I still like it too, but I'm not talking about preferences; I'm talking about bugs and poor design for small monitors. Surely that counts for something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dlevenstein (talk • contribs) 23:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gah! I keep on forgetting to sign my posts! Sorry...--Dlevenstein 23:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Besides, I tried to put it in the criticisms section before; what was the point of the criticisms section if not for criticisms of Google Groups?--Dlevenstein 12:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone???? Answers? --Dlevenstein 12:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policy requires all information, including criticism, to be attributable to a reliable source. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Google Groups Commonly Criticised 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Google-Groups.png

message: I removed a significant part of the feature list since this page looked an awful lot like an originally-researched user guide.  Google's own help pages do a perfectly fine job of explaining how the features work.  Only features unique to Google Groups or notable in their own right belong in this article. White 720 (talk) 01:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature list collapsed 

message: Is there any reference as to why Gooogle Groups is 8-12 hours behind on the posting of material since Monday afternoon, 3pm EDT? (18:00 UTC?) MMetro (talk) 15:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usenet service Disruption 

message: In relation to the browser based editing on Wikipedia that on Google groups is extremely poor and also has no features.  It does not manage to retain formatting at all.  That is definitely an issue with Google groups IMO as a frequent poster through the service.
Jan 13  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.61.20 (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browser based editing poor 

message: The ratings for posts have disappeared. Perhaps there were too many complaints about trolls anonymously disparaging other people by trying to load up one star ratings? I'd like to get a reliable source on the matter. MMetro (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: Criticism must be backed up by reliable sources, not just speculation. Google Groups postings themselves are not reliable sources. White 720 (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Complaints

message: All the archives stop at the end of May, 2009. A temporary problem with Google or an end to archiving?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/browse_thread/thread/059144e1ab43efd1/3634d17dc3c10e26?hl=en#3634d17dc3c10e26 Macshill (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just above there's talk about short-term brownouts over a period of 4-5 months. Applying Hanlon's razor, I'd suspect a temporary problem absent any official announcement. White 720 (talk) 02:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2009 end to archiving? 

message: The supposedly reliable source on the November 2009 outage, "Nomadic Psyche," states, "There is a major flaw with the Gooble replication technology that is not replicating changes I make to the internet." White 720 (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outages, again 

message: I removed this phrase from the article: "Sometime around 2008 or 2009 Google also began removing and censoring entire Usenet groups  in the alt.* category." - needing a citation since April 2010.  It seems to be more due to poor software and/or a poor interface.  Could not find any reference to censorship...other that this article... -- 22:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced Content Removal 

message: The google-groups usenet search interface hasn't worked properly for years.  Why isin't this mentioned in the main article?
Why isin't it mentioned how google apparently doesn't have the ability, or desire, to keep incoming spam and sporge floods out of it's usenet archive, nor does it exercise any competent ability to prevent spam from being posted from it's own google-groups user accounts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.91.219 (talk) 12:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Google_Groups#Criticism White 720 (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why nothing in main article about dysfunctionality of usenet search functions? 

message: Google promises fix for jittery Usenet addicts — "According to a Google spokeswoman, the company has not killed its Usenet service. It'sis merely experiencing some technical difficulties. 'Beginning last week, Groups had intermittent issues with mirroring Usenet messages, that means messages posted to Usenet experienced a delay in appearing in Google Groups. We have identified the issue, and are in the process of patching it. In the next few days, the Usenet archives will catchup and become current again,' she told us." White 720 (talk) 15:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: August 2011 outage

message: I think I have observed a change in google searches since about a month ago (it is now 2011 August).  If I am correct, it urgently needs to be presented here and discussed in other forums.
Apparently, Google is no longer honoring this statement:
Activities that don't require a Google Account:
    Reading posts in public groups
from this page: http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=46438
It is increasing impossible to find (non-commercial) information on the net without logging in to Google to read it (other than at Wikipedia, of course! :).  This would be a arrogant and nefarious new push of the Google brand at a time when the government is promising us that they will investigate Google monopolistic practices.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by W4714261 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the fact that you must adhere to a neutral point of view about Google, you haven't provided a reliable source. Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:51, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent ominous change 

message: but might someone read only Günther's post?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.10.28.194 (talk) 03:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.atari.st/msg/c5bbfdd018beb461?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect Love this browser,] 

message: Can there be an intro saying what a GG is, and what it can be used for, as things currently stand? Some people may prefer to understand it from an historical development perspective, but many will need to know what it is now, rather than its ontology.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.53.2 (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Plain explanation of Google groups, please 

message: There are older posts on gg as you can see with this post made on October 9, 2000.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.212.236.153 (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: USENET is much older than Google Groups. Besides, Google Groups was founded off the remains of Deja News (Google bought Deja News when it went belly up, with the dot com bubble burst), and all that USENET-content archived by Deja News, is therefore obviously older than Google Groups. --DexterPointy (talk) 17:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gg couldn't have possibly started in 2001 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Google Groups is currently also the platform, which Google (since approx. Jan.2012) has been using for some of their Google Help Fora. More specifically those fora officially named "Google Product Forums" (aka. in abbreviated form: GPF), found at productforums.google.com (not groups.google.com, which is reserved & available to anyone with a free consumer Google account, for creating a forum, group, or mailing-list). The productforums.google.com domain is a G Suite domain, owned and operated by Google. The default GUI skin/theme used for Google's Help Fora (productforums.google.com) is however not available for other G Suite domains (available by domain registration to anyone). Non-Google owned GSuite domains will use the default Google Groups GUI skin/theme, as is also always used with groups.google.com (and may be used for productforums.google.com as non-default).  --DexterPointy (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info, for possible adding to this article (when it gets cleaned up). 

message: In reading this article, it seems like the history of DejaNews is worth having in its own article since Google Groups in many ways is a really different entity. I was thinking of doing this. Do people have strong feelings one way or the other? Jessamyn (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  pulling out Deja into its own article?