Talk:Yemen/Archive 1

message: The article states "In terms of GDP per capita, Yemen is one of the richest countries in the Arab world."  According to Wikipedia's gdp per capita information, this is completely untrue.  Why is this on here?  75.23.104.129 04:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has since been changed to "poorest". -- Beland 23:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy

message: there is a very large black population in the arab gulf and yemen that needs to be accounted for. 
To AlZaidi,
Salam Zaidi, I reverted your edition because of your own refrences. First of all, your first reference which is the Yemen Embassy in Canada says that the Yemeni are divided into Sunni's and Shi'is and then other religious groups. 55%  are Sunni and 42%Shi'is while 3% for other religious groups. That's what the embassy says in the reference you provided yourself. Now in your other reference, it says that Sunnis are 53% (and NOT 50% as you edited) and Shi'is are 47%. That second reference that you wrote (http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/yemen.htm) does not seem a trustworthy website, and even check its homepage; truely I wouldn't put that as a reference. Therefore, I prefer to stick to the data provided by the Yemen Embassy in Canada.
You want the truth, in Yemen you do not care who is Shafi'i or Zaidi; you rarely hear it. On the other hand, you NEVER hear "He is Sunni or he is Shi'i" you never hear it. We don't have these divisions, and I don't know why you make it that big of a deal.
Besides, you live in Canada and you define yourself as a third-generation-Yemeni Canadian, so you probably don't know how life is in Yemen, and all the information you have is from the internet. Don't trust all what you read in the internet; you would find a lot of bias in the internet even though it's a huge sourse of information.
Now if we want to put references about the percentage of Shi'is or Sunnis or Shafi'is or Zaidis, we have to look for Yemeni governmental websites because they are trustworthy, and I don\t think they would lie about the number because it's not a percentage for an election or for the unemplyment in Yemen, for example, so I don't think they would lie about it.
Finally, (to AlZaidi again) try to be flexible in discussion and in opnions, there is nothing called "all or none"; accept the other!
Y4All 19:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics in Yemen, about the Islamic groups

message: I Al-Zaidi have marked the demographics section with the disputed banner for the following situation.
Anonymous User talk:86.108.118.165. maintains there the population in Yemen is 53% Sha'fi and 47% Zaydi, this is mathematically impossible since this leaves no margin for the Western Ismailis, Jafaris, Jews, Christians, Hanbalis etc...  This Anonymous user has now threatened me with vandalism and blockage twice!.  
I have maintained the verified numbers are as follows, Yemenis are divided into two principal Islamic religious groups: 50-55% Sunni and 42-47% Shi'a. The denominations are as follows: 50-55% of the Shafi'i and other orders of Sunni Islam. 40-45% of the Zaidi order of Shi'a Islam, 2-5% of the Ja'fari and Western Isma'ili orders of Shi'a Islam.,
This incompasses all Islamic schools and leaves a margin for the non-Muslim inhabitants of Yemen. It also includes User talk:86.108.118.165's figures of 47% Zaidi and 53% Shafi'i as incompatible possibilities, meaning that either figure can exist but not both at the same time as that would nullify the existence of any other faith or sect.  I ask the Wikipedia members to maintain mathematically logic and encylcopedic integrity regarding the impossible false uncompromising vandalism of User talk:86.108.118.165.      
Thank you
Al-Zaidi
:Where are the sources? Are there any official numbers on the population or anything else about yemen? I couldn't find any numbers given out by the yemeni government. It would help a lot if someone would point out where to find the official statistics of this country by the yemeni government itself and not by secondary sources and it doesn't matter if its in Arabic. Jidan 22:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Jidan, refrences should be written. For me, I will try to read about this topic in Yemen Encyclopedia; it's a very good refrence.  Aymx  (Don't imitate, innovate) 11:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population Dispute

message: I don't see much in the article about the unification of Yemen.  A few times it is mentioned that it is a unified country (ie "after unification ... "), occassionally mentioning "the former north Yemen" (technically the "n" in "north" should be capitalized, but lowercase is correct too, just not as much IMHO).  I think the history section should be expanded to include that, since they have a national day celebrating it, it's probalby a significant event in the country's history!
I don't know that much about the unification, so I wouldn't be a good person to write the needed paragraph or so, all I remember is reading somewhere that the Yemenis were inspired by the reunification of Germany, seeing that they could probably do the same thing (if you noticed, the Yemens and the Germanies were unified in the same year.)  --Canuckguy 14:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unification 

message: There is refernce to the British being ousted by terrorist campaign. This is potentially POV though I know nothing about the history. "Terrorist" is rhetorical and difficult to define and invites POV warring. Angrynight 21:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kind of complicated.  My understanding is that the British were set on leaving, but then the Americans said "hey we could use a friend in the region" and so they tried to reverse their pull out.  At that point a guerilla type campaign was begun and under increasing violence the British pulled out anyway.  Don't know how accurate this account is.  TastyCakes 07:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think you'll find that anyone who wanted the British out and were willing to act violently to support that goal were called terrorists.  There's a bit of a difference..  TastyCakes 21:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Stop trolling for arguments with divisive POV crap.  TastyCakes 20:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think BB makes a good point, how is that "POV crap"? Also, isn't "POV crap" to insist that the inhabitants of a country fighting against colonialists/imperialists are terrorists? --Inahet 04:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't insist it.  I said that is what they needed to do at the time to be labelled terrorist.  I didn't say they were terrorists, and indeed as the targets were mostly military I agree that insurgent would be a more accurate description.  On the other hand, no notable source I have seen referred to the british occupation of Aden as "terrorist".  Say whatever bad things you want about colonisation and imperialism, it simply does not fit under the definition of terrorism as defined by any non-POV source.  Furthermore, unlike many arab media sources, Western media was, as it is now, independent of the government.  In any case, BB comes here to argue, not improve the article.   He calls the British terrorists because he knows it will piss off people like me.  As I said, it's divisive and doesn't help anything, least of all the article. TastyCakes 04:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This issue has already been fixed in the article.  So why exactly did you see the need to comment on it here?  Were you simply unable to pass up a chance to take a swipe at the British?  As I said, I don't think the Yemenis involved in the Aden revolt classify as terrorists by a non-POV stance.  Whoever changed it in the article was right to do so.  The British held power in Aden by threat of force, not terror.  There might be a better argument for them using terror in South Africa, where blacks were "hunted" by Boer's from an early stage, or even North America with the widespread killing of natives.  But in Aden this just wasn't so. As I said before "colonialists" do not and did not control the media.  They were mostly Western, of course, which makes them POV to some extent, but there were dissenters then as there are now.  And for the record, I don't think you're capable of "making me furious", you just piss me off. TastyCakes 16:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorist? 

message: 
Greetings,
Yemen portal has started, so would you please add to it all the links you know about Yemen in Wikipedia?
To go to Yemen portal, just press on the sign on the right.
 Aymx  (Don't imitate, innovate) 12:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contribute to Yemen Portal 

message: The references to Qat are probably not needed at all, as there is an entire article on the plant and it's effects as a drug. It was also written with bad grammar which I have fixed, however references to the drug's effects on teenagers and on society are totally subjective and there no sources cited. It's also problematic to refer to the "positive" effects or "side effects", these should generally just be called something neutral like effects
The majority of the references to Qat should be deleted and edited into a new section: "The use of Qat in Yemen culture". This can contain the current (but edited) references to the drug's effects on Yemen culture but only where sources can be cited.
::I fully agree; there is no need for such a large section on Qat in this article--it's currently longer than the section on governance!  Certainly, the drug is worth mentioning, but not at such length.  I'm going to trim it down, though it may need further trimming by other editors. --The Way 03:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved the Qat section earlier to a new article Qat in Yemen , but it was reverted. Anyway, its too large and im moving it. Jidan 14:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qat 

message: I removed the following:
*Shia's are especially subject to abuse by the Sunni dominated government of Yemen.
First of all, they are not just shia's, they are Zaydi shia's, and that's a big difference. They are more nearer to sunni teachings  than shia teachings found in Iraq or Iran. And the yemen government is not dominated by sunni's, at least provide a reliable source, i.e. not a freelance website like worldpress.com.
*According to the press reports, the Chief of the Yemeni Supreme Shia Council has stated, “(Iraqi) military men advised Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh to kill Shias in the country as did Saddam in Iraq.” The ongoing violence in the Shia region of Saada has also been labeled a “genocide” by Sistani, the influential Shia leader of Iraq. Many Shias have fallen victim to the Yemeni security forces, which have been reportedly infiltrated by Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s former henchmen..
DELETE
1) Again worldpress.org 2) What an "(Iraqi) military men" or a cleric sitting in Iraq thinks is totattly irrlevent. Human rights and non-profit non-political organizations are the only reliable source . Jidan 14:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Christian Science Monitor and World Press are reliable sources, don't try to remove sourced information that doesn’t suit your personal views. "The Shia cleric sitting in Iraq", Ayatollah Sistani, is an influncial leader of the world's Shias, this is similar to the Pope commenting on the treatment of Catholics in a country. Like it or not, Zaydi Shias are Shias nonetheless. --Mardavich 14:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it depends on what you understand under sourced information. I can open my own website and write "Jidan is the best guy in the wolrd",but that wouldn't be a reliable source, would it? ;) Anyway, I conntacted user user:Al-Zaidi, he is a profi oin this topic. Until then, please stop throwing spam into the article. Thank you. Jidan 15:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the section was getting big, I moved it to Human rights in Yemen. Please see Talk:Human_rights_in_Yemen Jidan 15:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human rights 

message: Pejman47, why are you repeatedly (, ) restoring material that has been moved to another page, where a direct link to it exists from the location you keep replacing the text in? Your edit comment on that last change doesn't even make any sense. — Hex (❝?!❞) 17:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldn't move a topic totally to other article. human rights section should contains a brief of important issues. So I reverted a summary of it.--Sa.vakilian 17:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert war over human rights section 

message: I've been reading a bit, still don't know too much
about this.. but I've heard that Yemen is one of the places
where the purest Arabs live and also possibly an ancestral homeland??
Any sites anyone can provide about this?Domsta333 03:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yemen, homeland of arabs? 

message: Category Bicontinental was recently added, is it correct? I see that Socotra island is in category of African islands but neither of these article actually contains anything on part of Yemen/Socotra being considered bicontinental/Africa. It would be nice if the articles could support the categories they are in not the other way around. Can somebody with knowledge of those things explain? Thank you.--Pethr 05:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the island of socotra does actually lay in the african plate . I haven't noticed that before! Jidan 16:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Yemen Bicontinental? 

message: The Human rights in Yemen article seems to contradict the human rights section here, I think this needs correcting. QZXA2 00:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  human rights 

message: A question about Yemen's Demographics:
I have read that Yemen has a native black population who do not have recent African origin. It is believed that these people are decendants of the first wave of people to leave Africa thousands of years ago. There are only a few populations of these people that still exist. The Andamanese are one of the more famous groups from that lineage.
There is no mention of these people in the demographics section. Is there actually a native, non-african, black population who have been omitted, or do these people not actually exist? It would be good if someone who actually lives or has lived in Yemen could clarify this for me. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.30.68.206 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 29 July 2006  (UTC)
:The part about "a native black population who do not have recent African origin. It is believed that these people are decendants of the first wave of people to leave Africa thousands of years ago." is, of course, nonsense. If they really were so long in Yemen, they would have mixed up with the rest long time ago. This is not the remote Andaman islands. The lighter majority is in Yemen for a long time. СЛУЖБА (talk) 02:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a statistic for the Shia/Sunni Split in Yemen being 13-15/85-88 and as its citation it links to the Yemen embassy in Canada site, however I visited that site and the Yemen Embassy in Canada says that there are 55% Sunnis and 42% Shia, I am changing it to reflect the information of the cited site  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Nothing odd. Yemen has a VERY high fertility. СЛУЖБА (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: The info box says a population of 23 million as of 2009, while in the demographics subsection it says 28 million in 2005, that's a horribly large difference. Could someone sort that one?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.31.52 (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: why is ONLY Qat under culture?  Yemen has a FAR richer culture than some leaf you chew, refer to www.myspace.com/yemeni_culture.com,  -Mokha 128.208.35.227 22:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture? 

message: Longitude "12d 24m E" of the capital is wrong.
Also say "the population" instead of "the size, in terms of population".
--User:Jidanni 2006-07-24
: I fixed the phrasing, at least. -- Beland 23:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longitude 

message: Could someone clarify why Sana'a population is listed as being larger than the governate it is in?  Does it extend beyond the governate, or are these numbers from two different years, or are they just wrong, or what? -- Beland 23:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the population listed is wrong  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.55.144 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sana'a population listed is not city population, the city proper is separate governorate Amanat al Simah and so capital population is not included in Sana'a governorate as capital is not its part. The population numbers are official 2004 national census Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sana'a 

message: The Zaydi Shiaa's are not discriminated against.  All presidents and powerful military leaders of Northern Yemen and of united Yemen are of Zaydi orgin.  But the problem with Al-Houthi is a new problem with the extremist militant Zaydi group called Al-Shabab Al-Mo'men.  It only involves a few thousand fighters it does not involve the millions of Shia's in Yemen.
The supreme Shiaa council and its leader are unknown to most people.  I tried searching for it on the internet and only found the mentioned quote.  Thinking that the president was advised to kill all shia's is really stupid because he would not kill his own tribe in such a tribal country.  
Wikiarabia (talk) 12:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human Rights (Shiaa) 

message: Yemen is a poor country but it is not the poorest country in the World at least not by GDP per Capita.  Such statetment should have a reference to some statistics not just stated as a fact because it is not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarabia (talk • contribs) 09:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:ANewDayinOldSana'a.jpg

message: The actual title of the article for Sana'a is now just that. All of the links in the article refer to San'a', which merely redirects to the article. Is this intentional or outdated?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.124.14 (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sana'a links 

message: the image with cheney is wrong because he's now no longer vice president.
that image description needs to be changed.
im new to wikipedia so i dont know how to do it.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.210.172 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 20 February 2009
:Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. The caption already says "former" Vice President? To get started with editing, take a look at Wikipedia:Tutorial. — Hex (❝?!❞) 01:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  tiny mistake 

message: It says in the intro that Yeman is the only republic on the Arabian peninsula. What about Syria (Syrian Arab Republic), Israel (State of Israel), Lebanon (Republic of Lebanon) and others? YeshuaDavid (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are not on the Arabian peninsula.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm sorry I take that back, according to that article it looks like Syria is within the political and geographical definition of the peninsula.  So I agree, the intro should be changed...  TastyCakes (talk) 14:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only republic on the arabian peninsula? 

message: Why does it not say anything about Yemen's independence from the United Kingdom in the infobox? Flosssock1 (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm I agree it should seem to say it.  I've added it in.  TastyCakes (talk) 21:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Flosssock1 (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independence? 

message: Wow, this article went from 3.500 page views on December 20, to 39.500 page views on December 30.  The Ministry  (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: page view

message: Given that this article is part of the English version of Wikipedia, what is the point of including a second map of the governates in Arabic? phreakydancin (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why two governate maps? 

message: Why doesn't this article have a Government and politics section like every other country article on Wikipedia? That seems like pretty basic information to include. Kaldari (talk) 05:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The History of Yemen and Foreign relations of Yemen articles are very brief, and do not adequately cover the governing structures or relations of the nation. The inclusion of a Government and politics section seems quite important. CSvensgaard (talk) 03:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have started a Governance section, including details of the administrative divisions.  Anyone care to add information on national government?  Skinsmoke (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's back!  The sections on Politics and Administrative divisions were lost during a vandal attack on 28 February 2010.  An editor partially reverted the attack, but missed these two.  I have restored the deleted text under Governance.  Skinsmoke (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government and politics 

message: I corrected a caption to reflect its Aramco World citation, and used the one million present population from the chart of governates. However, it looks like the present population is about two million: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Sana'a+Yemen  So my caption fix was probably wrong, but I can't count noses and won't make all the figures agree. Bing isn't a splendid source. Maybe someone else could? - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population of Sana'a 

message: I can't find it on any maps, but the NYTimes has an article about it.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/world/middleeast/22yemen.html  Ydorb (talk) 21:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Hawta?

message: Isn't this country also known as the Yemen? For example, there is the book Salmon Fishing in the Yemen by Paul Torday. This may be an exclusively British English usage, but it does exist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rredwell (talk • contribs) 19:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Yemen 

message: This article defines Yemen as a Presidential republic, with a directly elected executive president, but according to its own Government section, the Head of Government is actually the Prime Minister, who must be approved by two-thirds of the Assembly of Representatives. This appears to be the definition of a semi-presidential republic, in which the Prime Minister and President share executive power and the Prime Minister must be approved by the legislature, so why is it defined as a Presidential republic?--90.199.141.85 (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Presidential republic? 

message: هل استطيع التعرف......  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.200.53.243 (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  شاب جزائري حر 

message: It is a bad thing that Wikipedia underrepresents the official view of incumbant Yemeni authorities that Saleh is still President. СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it was an uncited anon edit. I reverted it on this page. Needs to be reverted on other pages as well. СЛУЖБА (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saleh is President according to incumbant Yemeni authorities. 

message: There is something wrong with this section about the source of the word "Yemen". I can't speak for the word yumn, but it appears that the word "falicity" actually means something like happiness, not fertility.  Also the Latin word "felix" actually means lucky, not firtile.  Apparently the Roman reference to "Arabia Felix" actually ment "Lucky Arabia" and not "Firtile Arabia".  This is according to Wiktionary upon looking up the word "falicity".  The "Arabia Felix" name for Yemen makes me very curious about what happened there for the Romans to consider it lucky.DavidHenrickson (talk) 12:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: i hope that whoever wrote that section was not a saudi arabian. i edited because it was ignoring the saudi role in yemen and the fact that saleh's government used al-qaeda against houthis. The article is about yemen not Somalia, yet a large portion of the section was discussing the "historical good relations" between Yemenis and Somalians. uh.. no they don't especially the tribes who look down to Somalians as slaves.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.14.212 (talk) 09:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: foreign relations

message: Could someone make the island of Socotra on the map in the country infobox green, as it belongs to Yemen. RikSchuiling (talk) 09:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territory 

message: Under "Etymology", the word "yamnat" is said to be in Old South Arabian. I was puzzled, as the script of the same only used consonants. Perhaps some other version gives vowels.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.222.5 (talk) 16:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yamnat 

message: It is not clear who abolished slavery in 1962. There was something of a change in the government at that time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.222.5 (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1962 

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