Talk:Ancient (Stargate)

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1. "And, in fact had evolved originally on Earth several million years ahead of Humans."
The ancients MAY have evolved on Earth, but it's very unlikely. According to the first episode of Star Gate: Atlantis, the ancients whole purpose in life was to reseed the galaxy with humanoid life after a plague had wiped most of it from the universe.
In this means, the ancients would have seeded the Milky Way, as well as the Asgard galaxy, and probably any other race that has since developed, including us humans.
: Yet SG: Atlantis episode "Before I sleep" (think it's S1E15) has some Ancient implicitly tell Dr. Weir that they were the first evolution of Humans on Earth. I'm starting to think that a) the plot is broken there b) the Alterans had a collective loss of memory regarding where they came from during their time residing in the Milky Way c) there was another race on Earth that actually evolved there but merged with the Alterans (who did come from outside the Milky Way). 
2. "However, there came a time that many of the Ancients "ascended" to a higher plane of existence (spatial) to escape a plague that was destroying their population. Around this time, one of the ancient's cities on Earth, Atlantis, left Earth and went to the Pegasus galaxy, where it settled on the huge ocean of a planet with barely any land."
The "plague" happened long before the ancients left to go to the Pagasus galaxy. The entire reason for them going was to reseed that galaxy with humanoid life. Why would they go there if the plague would just wipe out the life they seeded eventually?
3. "When the Atlantean Ancients returned, the plague was spreading."
Where are you getting this information? Are you creating it like fan-fic, or are do you actually have show references?
The Plague happened WAY before the ancients seeded ANY galaxies. It was their job to reseed the galaxy after the Plague had already killed off all living beings except the ancients (they were carriers).
4. "After breeding with the humans who had the same physical appearance, some ascended, and became god-like beings"
What?!? See, now I know you're making this up. There is not one single reference for this in the show at all.
The reason why some humans (1/16,000) can use ancient technology is due to the fact that we're evolving into ancients, or rather we're evolving the neccessary biology that will allow us to be like the ancients (regeneration abilities, healing others, empathic abilities, so on).
The ancients seeded planets with their DNA, and the life that evolved from that DNA will eventually have the same abilities as the ancients once had. 
They're repopulating their race, not having sex with cavemen.
5. "The Ancients are a member of the alliance of four great races."
The ancients WERE (past tense) part of the alliance of four great races. They're ascended now, and their rules prohibit them from interfering in lesser races advancement. 
They no longer contribute to the alliance, thus they're no longer members.
I'm going to put together some real references from some real sources, and then rewrite this article, because as it stands now, it's mostly fan-fic inspired, not actually factual pertaining to the series.
I think its getting pretty obvious that ancients are just humans, on the episode where they find the ancient girl in antarctica it said something about the humans being another cycle with the ancients haven previously chosen to return. I don't know, check it out. I'm not a anorak and I saw that episode eons ago --Josquius 22:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004

message: Please discuse this.
:: You mean Ascended? The answer is neither, their isn't really anything to discuss on that issue. The show really doesn't directly clarify, and what it does say implies they Ascended first and differed in path second. They were one people and are still essentially the same race, just with differant philosophies about what to do with being Ascended. [Thursday, 2007-01-11 T 16:39 UTC]
your wrong the ancients and ori seperated first and ascended second why else would they be in two different galaxies and why wouldnt the ori then know about the humans in the milky way
:You are correct. There was a civilization of highly technologically advanced humans, it is unknown what they called themselves at this point, some of them thought they should use their advanced tech to rule other races, others thought they should teach and help other races. Because of this difference in philosophies they split into 2 separate societies, the Ori and the Alterans. Neither of them ascended until much later. As to who ascended first, the Ori or the Alternas, it has not explicitly been said. It has been alluded to that they both ascended at around the same time. This would also make sense seeing that they were the same spices and on the same evolutionary path. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who asended first the Ancients or the Ori 

message: Why, she's a major character, she has merit for a seperate article.
21:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oma Desala Redirects Here

message: Where does your information come from? All I know is, scifi.com has the Ancients listed as "Altera" or "Alterans". They have the scripts; they know more; hence what they say is correct. Thus, I am changing it all back to "Alterans", and I beleive I have the community behind me. LD 9/21/05
:The Altairans (notice the spelling) are the race that built Harlan who later built android replicas of SG-1.  Aarlin81 22:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LD is correct. The race that because known as the Ancients started as the Alterans not the Altairans. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who changed it to "Altairans"? 

message: Since I don't want anyone reverting this, I'll refer you to Anubis' research log in "Prototype", episode 909. LD 03:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, you have me on some of those (for the moment), but as for your Grodin argument, I'll refer you to the Al-Jazeera news crawl, which, despite being written in the right-to-left Arabic script, moves from the left side of the screen to the right. Ahh, the advantages of multilinguality! LD 03:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Visit SciFi.com/Atlantis.  Move you mouse over the words like CAST, EPISODES, etc.  The letters appear Left to Right.
Scifi.com is generally regarded as being someone inaccurate so I wouldn't go with that and it directly defies things shown onscreen, for example, the Glastonbury cavern in "Avalon", I translated the Ancient text into English and it was indeed left to right.
Faris b 20:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient written from right to left 

message: I added the word "presumably" to this phrase "They are presumably long since extinct", because Ancients have been discovered in suspended animation, and we don't know if there are others in suspended animation as well.--RLent 18:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinction? 

message: Difference, Comparisons and Also Known As are needed to distinguish what are the differences between "Ancients" "Lantians" "Alterans" "Ori" "Evil ascended Beengs" "Gate Builders"  which are all "Ascended Beengs" being braking down to 2 groups: 
1) Alterans (aka "Ancients" "Gate Builders", "Alterans", "*Lantians", "*Atlanteans", "*Lanteans") 
2) "Ori" (Evil ascended Beengs)
* May or May not refer to the earth explores that came to Atlantis, or known as the SGA team.
We all known that the Ancients are the Gate builder and what we know from early season 9; and later in season 9 SG1 (season 2 SG Atlantis) We learn that Ancients (Alterans) from Atlantis arent called Atlanians but in fact referred to as "Lantians" by some wraith and other human cultures.
The Ori are ascended beengs from the Alterans home galaxy. also known as Evil Ascended beings.
Anyone feel free to correct me i know i screwed up on something accidentally.--Gakhandal 03:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lantians? Atlanteans? Hmm. I've heard Atlanteans before too. -    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 04:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lantean" is the word used to refer to people living in atlantis.-- Alfakim --  talk  16:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference, Comparisons and AKA's 

message: "[Ancients] having evolved fifty million years prior to the present day and reaching their level of technology long before life had even evolved on Earth." There's been life on this planet for nearly a billion years. Is there any evidence from the shows that the Ancients are that old, or is this just an exaggeration? Jordan.Kreiger 13:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Age of the Ancients

message: Hi, I just tagged this article for cleanup because the organization is so horrible in this article.  I don't know how the sections were formulated, but the way they were done doesn't make sense.  I have already posted my proposal for the restructuing of this article on the talk page, but I only got one response.  Also, even if I got approval, it would take more than one person to get this article right.  Tobyk777 23:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One response=nobody else cares=do it. Now. I would, but I have neither the time nor the patience nor the knowledge of the details of your plan (in spite of what you put above) to do it myself. LD 03:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to be bold and have reformatted the article. --Despair 18:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup tag

message: Perhaps I missed something here but I know the name Ancients was given to the Alterans by early Romans.  Ori is a name later associated with the ascended being who demand worship.  It's been explained that the Ancients were once called the Alterans.  Unless I missed something it was never explained whether this was the original name for their race (assuming the Ancients and Ori were once one race and not two living in the same galaxy or on the same planet), or a name that they took later after separating themselves from those later known as the Ori.  It seems that someone is putting a whole lot of assumptions and pressumptions into this entire article.  So I have decided to fix this until someone can show otherwise.  Aarlin81 22:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ori and Alterans are from the same race. Sorry, I can't cite a source. I have seen all the episodes so many times I can't remember when it was mentioned. As far as I can remember the name of the race before they split was never mentioned. It could have Ori, Alterans or something totally different. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Alterans and Ori?

message: Hi, I just took another look at this article and did a major clean up of the history section (That section still needs alot of work).  There is still alot of redundant info throughout the entire article, as well as tons of mising information throughout the entire article.  Much of the article is unrefrenced, unorgaznied, and lacking of key details.  For such a crucial article in Stargate, this defniately needs alot more work.   Tobyk777 03:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major work still needed

message: I must say I'm surprised that my favourite WikiProject has neglected this article. Never fear, I am here. I intend to wikify and clean it all up myself... I'll make it a featured article. lol Your one true god is David P. A. Hunter, esq. III  Talk to me!  09:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry.  I fully intend to help with this little project.  Unfortunately, there are people who watch the show but apparently don't pay any attention what-so-ever.  This means that after edits and cleanup are finished, some knuckle-head will revert the article to an earlier, sloppy version.  For example someone actually wrote "While there is still a difference between the Alterans and the Ori, they are still one race, the Ancients".  WHAT?!?  Aarlin81 18:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who put the cleanup tag on the article.  As one of the most active members of the stargate project I have been cleaning it up little by little.  It still has a very long way to go though.  Tobyk777 19:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, OK.  Thank you.  Happy now?  Yes, this article needs a lot of work.  It's a good thing I've got a TV, DVD player and seasons 1-8 sitting right behind me as I type this.  So fact checking shouldn't be a problem.  Aarlin81 04:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have all the seasons too, as well as Stargate Atlantis season 1.  I even have a self-recoreded copy of seasons 9 and 2.  I have watched every episode ever at least twice.  I have been doing some fact checking too.  However, this article was  too broad of a topic for me to tackle alone.  The article that I have put extrodniaruy effort into was DNA Resequencer, our best Stargate article now.  Now that that one is vertualy complete (I think it's at FA standards), I'll start on this one, (but I may need help).  This article has the potential to be longer than [[Stargate (device])].  It may even require subpages.  That's why for my first huge effort I chose a smaller topic.  Tobyk777 02:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep, got the Atlantis DVD set too.  Got some more stuff sitting on the DVR in the living room.  It's gonna be tough going through this article.  I just have to keep from drowning in the ocean of misinformation, blind praise, and various other stupidities with the Kevin Trudeau article.  If I can stay afloat, I should have some time to spend on this one.  Aarlin81 04:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over-confident. 

message: Too much of this article makes the assumption that Alterans = Ancients and has nothing to do with the Ori.  In Avalon part 2 Merlin's book reads 
:'Once upon a time, there was a race of people that went on a great journey through space, across the universe. They were called the Altera. After much time [thousands of years] they found a great belt of stars.' The Alterans named their new home Avalon and built many 'astria porta'
While there has been a lot of reference to the Alterans and the Ancients, it has yet to be established that the Ori were are also not (or were once) Altera.  If time allows I will start determining how to separate these two.  It seems that there is enough evidence to support the original species being called Altera while Alterans being some type of off-shoot or yet another name they gave themselves is pure speculation.  The use of the phrase "RACE of people must be taken into consideration. Aarlin81 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Altera/Alterans article should be separate from Ancients

message: Where did that alphabet come from? The existence of 10 seperate digits contradicts The Fifth Race, in which it is shown (or at least heavily implied) that the Ancients used the Octal, and not the Decimal number system. (DrZarkov 08:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With the airing of Atlantis the producers decided to come up with a real and standard Ancient language as apposed to the random symbols used in the previous seasons (aka The Fifth Race). The new alphabet was designed so the actually text shown in the episodes would mean what it was supposed to mean. There is an ancient symbol for each letter of the alphabet and a symbol for the numbers 0-9 as well. If you want to justify it, just call it a different dialect or something. --Paddyffrench 12:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Repository/Library of the Ancients works by downloading compressed data into the brain (likely subconcious which is believed to be able to store massive amounts of data).  The information later unspools and writing itself into the persons concious mind (yet in no exact sequence).  It's likely that as an advanced race the Ancients (Alterans) had developed quite a few numbering and mathematical systems.  One need only look at our own history for a deeper understanding.  Aarlin81 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The alphabet was accidently discovered by me in July 2004.  I've since been keeping track of all appearances and developments of this alphabet on the two shows on gateworld forums , and it checks out. I'm somewhat unsure whether that qualifies as original research or primary source per Wikipedia:No original research though. (Quote: "Original research that creates primary sources is not allowed. However, research that consists of collecting and organizing information from existing primary and/or secondary sources is, of course, strongly encouraged.") I would love to work my expertise into this article (only the relevant bits, without image proof, like it's already showcased here), but I want to check if that's fine fine with everyone else before I begin??? Sgeureka 17:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one objected to this, I was bold and included more examples. See the information and the source images on the external links I gave above. – sgeureka t•c 19:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabet

message: What is that new section about? Are they going to ally with some race this year or what is that all about?
--Faris b 22:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alliances post season 10? 

message: I reverted the last edit []. Some of the info might be salvageable but it was filled with random capitalizations and a multitude of spelling mistakes (it is spelled Ori, not Orii). No offense to the editor but it had to be reverted. Perhaps someone can go over it and get ideas for what to contribute to the article. Konman72 08:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My revert

message: Anyone have the official spelling of the planet which name means "Lost in Fire"?  The Gateworld.net transcript spells it "PROKLARUSH TAONAS"  with a "K" rather than a "C".  -TheDevilYouKnow 03:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely would not trust closed captions very much. I have watched them before and they misspell and use wrong words all the time. Konman72 22:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Phrases

message: Is it just me, or are the numbers on the alphabet photo upside down? I just watched 03x09 Phantoms, and in the end you can see Weir talking to Sheppard over radio, and there's Zelenka behind here standing in front of a console, which has numbers written on it, and they're upside down (if you compare them to the photo). I remember I also saw the numbers upside down before. Comments?
RypER 20:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the numbers on the alphabet photos are correct, as this is the way they appear on all computer screens on the two shows. It's the numbers on the consoles that are actually upside down. Sgeureka 17:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying, even if it is a few months later RypER 21:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers orientation 

message: The article, particularly the history section, continues to make many unwarranted, unsourced assumptions:
*Was it ever stated that the Alterans "fled" from the Ori? I don't recall there being any mention of actual violence or attempted genocide when the two parted ways. Gateworld and other Wikipedia pages make no mention of this. 
*It was never actually confirmed that Ayiana's illness was the plague that brought down the Ancients' Milky Way civilization (although, I believe it is safe to assume that the writers wish us to believe that is true).
*Nothing has ever indicated that Ayiana was the only one to remain behind when Atlantis departed. Other Ancient cities in the Milky Way could still have been active and populated. The timeline seems to problematically assume that all of the Ancients were always together in the same galaxy.
*The Ancients did not cure the plague, they hit a big reset button on life in the Milky Way as a last-ditch means of stopping it from spreading! And, if Ayiana was infected by it, that means that the plague occurred concurrently with (or following) the departure of Atlantis, not before. We do know, however, that this event was a few million years ago.
*The tablet Daniel reads in Full Circle says that many Ancients ascended as a means of avoiding death from the plague: Ancients were ascending long before the war with the Wraith.
*The article assumes that all (or most) of the (non-Ori) Ascended are Ancients. Several sections discussing Ascended beings would be more appropriate in Ascension (Stargate). In particular, most of the "Philosophy" section should be moved to Ascension (Stargate)#Rules, since it's more accurate than what's currently there, and somewhat distracting here. Instead, the Philosophy section should focus on what is known of the Ancients' beliefs before they ascended.
*The placement of the creation of the Alliance of four great races as strictly after the fall of Atlantis is unproven. IIRC, certain comments here and there make it hard to believe that it could be as recent as 10,000 years ago. Is it not possible that some other Ancients from returned from Atlantis before the war with the Wraith?
There's probably other factual errors here, too, but those are the ones that jumped out at me. Westacular 08:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one thing that is for sure about the timeline of the Alliance. The Alliance of the Four Great Races did not exist before the Ancients came back from Pegasus. The Ancients went to Pegasus ~5 million years ago. There is no way the Asgard could have been part of the Alliance that long ago. They first started exploring space only 30,000 years ago. There is no way there were a "Great Race" that long ago. It is most likely they were not even a species yet. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Continued Timeline Problems

message: The Ancients are an offshot of the Ori? -- SFH 22:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it would be a lot better with a picture such as that in which Aiyana and some other Ancient say are in Atlantis, or any of the pre-ascended Lantains. --Sauron18 08:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Offshot

message: I was thinking that this page should probably mention that the Ancients count in Base-8 as this is mentioned in the episode The Fifth Race and on the Base-8 page itself.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.29.6 (talk • contribs).
:it might.FlammingoParliament 21:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base 8

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message: To clarify this; the planet is called Lantia (or Lantea), and so anyone living on the planet would be a Lantian. Anyone living in the city of Atlantis is an Atlantean. "Ancients" is the current name for anyone in that race, and "Alteran" is the name they use to go by. (No Ancient has ever refered to themselves as an Alteran in the present tense, in every instance they choose the term "Ancient".)
Example! 
You can be a Human, an American, and a Michiganian
They could be an Ancient, a Lantian, and an Atlantean :D
Travis Cleveland 02:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Clarification 

message: This article is going to need some SERIOUS work.  According to "The Ori: A New Enemy" documentary (Disc 1 Season 10 Special Features) the Ancients and the Ori are the same race (Alterans).  However, there are NUMEROUS entries that depict the two as "Alterans and Ori" rather than "Ancients and Ori".  This is also misleading as these names were likely given or assumed later (the Anceints is a name given to them by early Romans).  So it seems that linking Alterans directly to Ancients is also an issue.  Let's not forget too that Merlin's book referred to the race as the Altera.    TheDevilYouKnow 23:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alteran is what the Ancients called themselves after they split from the Ori. Latin is based on the Alterans/Ori language. Altera in Latin is "the other one" or "the others". They became known as the Ancients much later. I don't recall it ever being stated that the early Romans gave them the name. I'm pretty sure they decided to refer to themselves as Ancients when they met the Romans or sometime shortly before. It has never been stated what the original name of the species was. They may have been just the Ori before the others (Ancients) split off. They may have had a totally different name. --Jimv1983 (talk) 01:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alterans: Ancients and Ori 

message: Hello all,
I'm new to editing wikipedia, but I have reading it for years now and I am also a big stargate fan. Anyways I wanted to talk about the main picture on this article. I believe it should be changed. For articles referring to ascended beings or ascended ancients, it is suitable. However, for the vast majority of their history, ancients were not ascended. Also all of the technology that we see today as a result of their civilization, comes from periods prior to their ascension. Because of this I do not understand why this would be chosen as the picture for ancients. In my opinion, a picture should be used of ancients prior to their ascension.
apc3161 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apc3161 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the picture 

message: There was nothing about orlan or the ancients found in the ship going .999 the speed of light near the midway station.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.17.166 (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  un-icluded 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ayiana looking at Jonas.jpg

message: This should be a quicky, but I'm asking just in case. Pegasus Galaxy (Stargate) is pretty much a retelling of the Ancients' story, and can be covered here quite well. It's almost already a copy of Ancient (Stargate)#Pegasus Galaxy, so I wonder if anything needs to be merged at all. – sgeureka t•c 20:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd keep it seperate for several reasons. First, it covers significantly more than Ancient activity in Pegasus. It defines and describes the Pegasus Galaxy, as well as describing possible real world analogues. It also covers Earth's activities in pegasus. Second, it would be confusing to redirect here. Third, Pegasus is likely to continue to grow. Pegasus is also significant to other Articles/Races such as the Wraith and Asurans. Stargate70 (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the redirect from Pegasus Galaxy to Ancient would be awkward, and I don't know what I was thinking as your other points also make very much sense. It seems I was talking more from an article content point of view than from meaning. However, I somewhat fear that Pegasus Galaxy (Stargate) will just be used for plot retelling in violation of Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). I'll remove the merge tag in two days (maybe someone else can provide some input), and I'll think about what other options would be good for that article. Thank you for your reply. – sgeureka t•c 01:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think they should be kept separate or find another article to merge it into. It's just not appropriate to merge into the article on the Ancients, can't we start an article on galaxies in Stargate, we have four: Ori, Pegasus, Ida and Milky Way. Million_Moments (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea, and I'll think about it. We currently have Planets in Stargate as a possible redirect target but not so much as a merge target. The current article content of PG however has also got some similarities with Timeline of Stargate. I believe my original reasoning for proposing the merger was that SG-1's in-universe wiki coverage has always been good without ever starting/having an article for Milkyway galaxy (Stargate), so why have a PG article for Atlantis? – sgeureka t•c  —Preceding comment was added at 21:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Pegasus Galaxy (Stargate)]] 

message: I was under the impression from the long, vague, and dispersed information regarding the Ancients' history that they did not all move to the Pegasus Galaxy. It's my understanding that there were several different cultural splinter groups from the Alterans - the Ori, the Ancients, and (via the Ancients) the Lanteans. This would also explain why Lantean technology and architecture looks different from Milky Way artifacts and buildings known to have been created by Ancients. It doesn't mean that the Lanteans and Ancients weren't in full and constant contact (thus why the Ancients of the Milky Way and Pegasus were never referred to as a different group post-Ascension). In this case, or even in the case that I'm wrong, I don't think Lantea was ever the homeworld to the entire Ancient race, just their main base of operations in the Pegasus Galaxy. Unless the entire population of Ancients moved from the Milky Way to Pegasus, they most properly had either two homeworlds (Earth and Lantea) or just one (Earth) and a base of operations/staging area on Lantea. Dbutler1986 (talk) 10:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homeworld 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ancient human form (Rising).jpg

message: Try translating some of the Ancient sentences in a Latin-English translator.  Kind of funny.  --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 20:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fun with language 

message: I think that the coordinate symbols on the Stargate should be added to the Language section because is is apparent from Lost City Pt. 2 that the names of planets in Ancient are also the Stargate addresses, thus making the symbols a "language" in their own right.
--75.163.185.38 (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stargate Chevrons in Language Section 

message: I have no idea who wrote this originally, or how the people coming through previously failed to catch all of these errors, because this article is FULL of them. There are entire paragraphs of mis-information, unproven assumptions, and simply illogical statements, as well as enough grammatical errors and awkward wording to keep an editor busy for hours. I'm going through now to fix as much as possible, feel free to jump in and lend me a hand.
And a word to the idiot who originally wrote this: "You don't REALLY know what you're talking about, so please refrain from EVER writing any more about anything even remotely Stargate related."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0beron (talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epic Fail 

message: Did they reveal the home galaxy of the Ancients / Ori, in one of the SGU featurettes?
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1666/index.html
The galaxy shown behind Jackson on the monitor when he speaks about the original home galaxy is :image:M33.jpg the Triangulum Galaxy.
76.66.193.224 (talk) 11:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the Ancients/Ori 

message: The picture of the Ancient alphabet is wrong. It shows the numbers 0-9 but as stated in "The Fifth Race" the Ancients used base 8 math not base 10 which means the numbers would only be 0-7. --Jimv1983 (talk) 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Ancient alphabet 

message: The scientific name for Humans is Homo Sapiens, what are the scientific names for other race in the StarGate universe 41.113.173.7 (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific name/designation for StarGate Races.