Talk:Abraxas

message: The comments about Abraxas being an Archon, about Abraxas being good as well as evil, do not come from either the Abraxas stones nor from ancient Gnostic texts, nor from the Greek Magical Papyrii.  It is a speculative interpretation found among some scholars prior to the discovery and translation of the Nag Hammadi library that is at odds with what was found there, and it isn't clearly from the writings of the heresy-hunter's either, who are ambiguous.  It is a view one could get from the views of C.G.Jung and his patient Herman Hess (author of Demian), so it could belong there.  They didn't have the Gospel of the Egyptians, so they were speculating with less information than we have now.
===Of questionable encyclopedic merit:===
"In the fictional world of Charmed, Abraxas is a demon of the astral plane who destroys witches by demonising their powers. He appears on the 1st year anniversary of the Charmed Ones gaining their powers, as part of a Rite of Passage. The Book of Shadows says: Rite of Passage - Fight it with the power of one or else a more powerful Evil that awaits will destroy you.
His powers are Reviving defeated adversaries of the Charmed Ones by reading the Book Of Shadows backwards. He was vanquished by reciting the spell to receive a witches powers - Connect the Power of Three, to work as one."
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I want to remove this but I fear Shannon Dougherty's powers.  Actually, I don't see how this is encyclopedic. It does nothing to enhance my understanding of Abraxas. Feel free to vote off my inclusion of the Abraxas Foundation to this site.  There are numerous people who find that to be relevant and important as a legitimate example of the spiritual influence of Abraxas in a direct, socio-political context.  Whereas, the Charmed silliness is merely the plot of a tv program.  
Curtsurly 20:03, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical Accuracy:

message: "In the fictional world of Charmed, Abraxas is a demon of the astral plane who destroys witches by demonising their powers. He appears on the 1st year anniversary of the Charmed Ones gaining their powers, as part of a Rite of Passage. The Book of Shadows says: Rite of Passage - Fight it with the power of one or else a more powerful Evil that awaits will destroy you.
His powers are Reviving defeated adversaries of the Charmed Ones by reading the Book Of Shadows backwards. He was vanquished by reciting the spell to receive a witches powers - Connect the Power of Three, to work as one."
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I want to remove this but I fear Shannon Dougherty's powers.  Actually, I don't see how this is encyclopedic. It does nothing to enhance my understanding of Abraxas. Feel free to vote off my inclusion of the Abraxas Foundation to this site.  There are numerous people who find that to be relevant and important as a legitimate example of the spiritual influence of Abraxas in a direct, socio-political context.  Whereas, the Charmed silliness is merely the plot of a tv program.  
Curtsurly 20:03, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Of questionable encyclopedic merit:

message: Does anyone know the exact reference of this quote? I would like to study it in context and in the original Lucius Domitius 17:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tertulian's Quote  

message: What does this sentence mean?  It really needs fixing, as it is unintelligible as it stands.
"The true name, moreover, is Abrasax, and not, as incorrectly written, Abraxas, a reading due to the confusion made by the Latins between Sigma and Xi."  confusion made by the Latins?  Romans?  They make confusion? Should the word "misinterpretation" or "misreading" replace reading?  
I propose: "The true name, moreover, is Abrasax, and not, as incorrectly written, Abraxas, which is a misreading due to the confusion of the letters sigma and xi."  Unless this misreading can be directly attributed to the Romans, I'm leaving that part out.
:Apparently the German version of this article has a more clear explanation and a source for this statement (Catholic Encyclopedia). Here is an attempt at a translation of the German wiki: 
:The initial spelling of the word was "Abrasax". The spelling used today probably originates in the confusion made between the Greek letters Sigma and Xi in the Latin translation.
:Here is a probable source  of the initial statement. You will find it verbatim in there.
:Here is a page (in Greek) that has some relevant pictures:  (scroll to the bottom and look at the group before the last picture). The Greek text above the pictures also reads "Αβρασάξ", which corresponds to Abrasax if we are to transliterate, as is usual, sigma as s and xi as x.
:Based on all this, I would think it acceptable to add the paragraph back. — Daniel Mahu · talk · 14:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Be careful about using Catholic sources - they lack NPOV, as the Inquisition's attack on seventeenth-century science was a cover-up after Phillip of Spain let the cat out of the bag, using an asset they'd hidden which sparked the Alchemical fever of the 1560s (citation withheld by author on grounds of new research - it's documented and under peer review at the moment, initial agreement is established). This then sparked the birth of chemistry (Helmont leading to Leibnitz) and physics (Isaac Newton). The link with Abraxas is discussed in the Candlestick debate below.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.13.225 (talk) 00:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Abrasax" 

message: From the article: As the original Gnostics who utilized the mystery name of Abrasax such as Basilides identified as Christian or were practitioners of a form of mystical Judaism, this ritual cannot be taken seriously as accurately representing the meaning of this symbol.
This seems odd for two reasons. Gnosticism apparently started as a pagan religion or group of religions, and the sentence makes assumptions about where meaning can come from. Dan (talk) 05:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved passage 

message: The lyrics are highly interesting: "In my eyes..." If you like it, you can build it into the main article. GOD bless--Omikron23 (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the Youtube link (dead as a copyvio anyway) and the lyrics aside from the first line. we cant add lyrics for songs this recent unless the band releases all copyright.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundgarden, "Worship Abraxas" 

message: I don't know what the exact provenance of this image is, or who has proclaimed it to be Abraxas. Sources? Anything? Kramden (talk) 06:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some information to the file page. Kaldari (talk) 06:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medieval Seal representing Abraxas 

message: Some of the material is a bit sparse or superfluous but perhaps it would be better placed in a separate article, perhaps Abraxas in Modern Culture or whatever name would be convential.  The Jungian reference obviously needs to be here but we could redirect to a new main article for the rest.  Combining list-like elements into paragraphs could help. Ideas? Obotlig (talk) 04:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to not do this. I dont see extensive use in modern or popular culture, and i am also not a fan of lists of trivial uses of words as band names, etc. a lot of this is unsourced, and should be removed even if verifiable, as nonnotable.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Duly removed. First, things simply named "Abraxas" should go in Abraxas (disambiguation). Second, "In popular culture" material must be cited to a reliable third-party source that connects it to the primary topic of the article. Lacking that it is simply a "mention" or original research. Yworo (talk) 04:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: When IPC items get taken out, people inevitably add them back again, and nobody seems to feel the need to police this article to make sure that they get properly referenced. The only option seems to be to make the main article so long that people will get bored with scrolling before they reach the bottom. Kramden (talk) 05:50, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

text: I removed some more detail as non-notable/off topic. For the purposes of this article, we don't much care what Abraxas' role is in the plot, except as it relates to the mythological Abraxas. Hairy Dude (talk) 04:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split modern references 

message: I find the request for references regarding Jung and Hesse's quotes unexpected, given that they are explicited before they are presented; namely, Hesse's "Damien" and Jung's "Seven Sermons To The Dead". --Xyzt1234 (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed in Jung and Hesse 

message: The band "Death Grips" mention Abraxas in "Get Got" but I currently can not and do not want to add this as another item to the list. It would be greatly appreciated if someone can do this for me with the appropriate information and maybe the reason the name was used at all, of which I am unaware 79.3.61.92 (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture