Talk:Alfred J. Goulding

message: Here is the evidence the DOB listed as 1897 is wrong.
:1. An Alfred John Goulding was born in Richmond Victoria in 1885. There is no one of similar name born in Victoria in 1897.BDM Victoria Births, Deaths & Marriages, Victoria 
:2. The manifest for SS Sierra, arriving in Honolulu in Sept 1907, lists members of Pollard’s Lilliputian Opera Company. In addition to Daphne Trott (Pollard) and her sisters, an A. Goulding, aged 19 is listed.
:3. His tombstone states DOB  as 1887  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22075 
:4. IMDB states DOB as 1884.
:5. Anecdotal evidence – there are numerous mentions of Alf Goulding as stage manager for Pollard’s Lilliputian Opera Theatre in Australia on Trove. In addition, when former Pollard performer Teddy McNamara died of pneumonia in Hollywood in 1928, other known ex Pollard performers were at his funeral (Snub Pollard, Daphne Pollard, Billy Bevan) in addition to Goulding
Nickm57 (talk) 12:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: - thanks for this. Is the BDM info 100% the same person? Why would this date be used and not the date from his actual tombstone? Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 13:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes - interesting situation. So, while I think the BDM citation is him, lets use the headstone in place as its easily verifiable.Nickm57 (talk) 01:35, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In genealogy the documents closest to the event are more accurate. Tombstones and obituaries are the least accurate, since farthest from the birth. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Thanks both for your work on this article. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 09:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Correcting the date of birth

message: This matches the birth index. You have to present a birth certificate when you apply for social security. 
:Name	Alfred Goulding
:SSN	557-12-1172
:Last Residence	Los Angeles, 90028, Los Angeles, California, USA
:Born	26 Jan 1885
:Died	Apr 1972
:State (Year) SSN issued	California - Before 1951
:: Oh good catch, I hadn't thought of that at all. Except... I don't think that new photo is of him!!Nickm57 (talk) 05:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me double check the image. God, married so many times. He couldn't be alone for long. I bet he lied about his age to each of his wives. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a paid account at Ancestry.com but most of the documents are free at the LDS website Familysearch.com. Registration is free and access to documents are free, they want you to work on genealogy. Best tool for biography research. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I switched to the image from IMDB, I guess we need a third to see which of the two is correct, maybe both just 20 years apart. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014

message: ::: The IMDB lists 3 completely different wives!Nickm57 (talk) 08:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Some may have been married before, do they have the same first names? I will load the marriage and divorce papers to Wikimedia Commons. I have the WWI draft loaded and the 1920 marriage, you can check them to make sure I got it right. I used their maiden names, based on their father's surname. Goulding identifies himself as a director in the paperwork and born in Australia, so we have the right person. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He was a serial monogamist. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriages