Talk:Kobe

message: *The sunset over kobe does not look good at all; it does not have a sunset looking sky and the building are so dark you cannot see them. I do not see the point of having a picture to show how the city looks like, when you can only see the outline of the buildings. What do others think?
*I think the port of kobe picture with the two large ships should be removed. It is obvious that this is not a picture of the port, but a picture of two large ships with 10% of the picture actually showing the port.
*The Nakatottei picture is not a good picture at all, at least in my opinion; it should show more of the city and it was likely taken by an amature photographer.
I think these three should be removed. What do others think? ChristopherMannMcKay 13:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It bears pointing out that we're all amateurs here. Well, most of us anyway. That said, you can find plenty of Wiki-friendly photographs on Flickr, so if you think the photos need replacing, knock yourself out. Ytny 17:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that the photo gallery needs to be trimmed.  There are too many photos in the gallery, which, given its size and location, dramatically lowers the quality of the article.  All but perhaps four or five should be cut. -- Exitmoose 00:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Almost all the photographs of this page seem to be relatively good in me. I cannot understand why you criticize the photographs of this page abruptly.  --C-cro 13:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cut the ones people were complaning about yesterday.  All the ones that are left look pretty good to me. -- Exitmoose 01:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PICTURES

message: While fact checking the article's claim as to the etymology of "Kobe", I came across a much more commonly accepted meaning, which I've edited the article to reflect.  In addition to the source in the article, the following sources also assume this meaning:
http://hometown.infocreate.co.jp/en/kinki/kobe/midoko-e.html
http://www.ryuusenkaku.jp/navi/200602.html
If a reasonably academic source can be found to back up the "houses of shrine" etymology, we can put the two side by side, but the only one I was able to find was from a rather dubious travel agency site. -- Exitmoose 07:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of "Kobe"

message: In order to progress past "B" class, the redlinks in this article need to be taken care of (preferably created). It may also be good to list the stations for each line (or the major stations in any case). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done.  Should have been done earlier, but I took a Wikibreak. -- Exitmoose 07:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: I've created the Kitano-cho article to reduce the number of redlinks, but it's still a stub.  There's plenty of information in the references to flesh out the article, but I just don't have the time now.  If you're looking for something to do, all the information is there, it just needs to be put in article form. -- Exitmoose 08:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kitano-cho

message: The "no list" tag has been on the education section for a few months now, so I moved the list of schools to its own article at List of schools in Kobe.  I'm not so familiar with standard list format, so someone more knowledgable should look over the article and bring it up to standards.  Also, the education section is now very small, and could use a bit of fleshing out. -- Exitmoose 00:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of schools in Kobe

message: User:Exitmoose asked the community to review this article. Comments can go here.
===Lists===
The article has a lot of lists. These can be converted to prose and kept within the article. As an example, the list of wards can be rewritten with a description of each. The sentence can incorporate a fact about the ward, such as its location or size or a prominent landmark located in it. Or it can list a famous person who was born there, or an event that took place in the ward. Likewise, important educational institutions can be mentioned in the section on Education, which currently names only a foreign school (giving it undue weight). Summaries can be helpful ("The city operates xxx public schools."). There's a reference in the article on education in Kobe that can be used for a count. If the information is available, the total number of public-school students would be a valuable addition. Again, writing sentences presenting information about the institutions is preferable to long lists. Fg2 01:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited "education" section and expanded the "wards" section.  Unfortunately, I can't find information on total number of high school students in Kobe. -- Exitmoose 02:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Review 

message: The article has a lot of lists. These can be converted to prose and kept within the article. As an example, the list of wards can be rewritten with a description of each. The sentence can incorporate a fact about the ward, such as its location or size or a prominent landmark located in it. Or it can list a famous person who was born there, or an event that took place in the ward. Likewise, important educational institutions can be mentioned in the section on Education, which currently names only a foreign school (giving it undue weight). Summaries can be helpful ("The city operates xxx public schools."). There's a reference in the article on education in Kobe that can be used for a count. If the information is available, the total number of public-school students would be a valuable addition. Again, writing sentences presenting information about the institutions is preferable to long lists. Fg2 01:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited "education" section and expanded the "wards" section.  Unfortunately, I can't find information on total number of high school students in Kobe. -- Exitmoose 02:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: I don't see the location of a server for an obscure website being particularly worth note.  Also, one of the institutes was merely a division of the Asian Disaster center, which itself was already noted in the research section.  This left only one organization, hardly worth its own section.  In any case, I think any further organizations should be added under the "Companies and Research" section.  Furthermore, we just purged the article of lists, so let's try and avoid repopulating it with more. -- Exitmoose 01:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: International organizations

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*Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
::Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Automated peer review

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Orixbuffaloeslogo.png

message: History>Modern Era section, starts off "Kobe was founded on Christmas Halloween"... what? Is this a bad translation, or vandalism?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BryanJones (talk • contribs) 09:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding 

message: Under History/Modern era, the number of dead from the March 17, 1945 American bombing should be 80,841, NOT 8,841.  It's off by a factor of 10.
See the "Bombing of Kobe in WWII" entry.
71.37.188.50 (talk) 20:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong number for 3/17/45 bombing casualties 

message: Since so many Japanese cities already have a collage, I suggest one for Kobe.--RM (Be my friend) 15:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collage 

message: Could someone who knows add the correct pronunciation of "Kobe" in English to the beginning of the article? It would be nice to have it in Japanese as well. I think it's "KO bay" in English but I just heard someone pronounce it to rhyme with "robe." Makes sense but doesn't sound very Japanese. DBlomgren (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 12 years later, it has been added. Please let us know about anything else :)  JthomasP (talk) 03:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Kobe 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Kobe]] 

message: I have just removed the following text from the "Origins to the Meiji era" section, as it is unsourced and I am having trouble verifying it:
: Notably, the international settlement's resident consul under the Union Jack flag was one Frans Gerard Mijburg (Francis Gerard Myburg).
The Japanese wiki biography on William Willis (physician) briefly mentions the sudden death of the British consul マイバーグ (presumably the same Mijburg/Myburg mentioned above) in 1868. But I cannot find any further evidence that supports describing Myberg as a "notable consul". If the information could be sourced somehow, I'd be happy to see it restored in the article. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  1860s consul of Hyogo Port 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Kobe (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The city, while a primary topic, shares its name with a pretty famous celebrity in the english-speaking world. Would it be a good idea to add a hatnote redirecting to Kobe Bryant?
Sincerely, Plutonical (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatnote? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Withdrawn by nominator. –  wbm1058 (talk) 09:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 April 2024 

message: I didn't see this while it was still open, but found it interesting, so let's look at it from the perspective of trying to understand reader usage from clickstreams:
* all-time monthly page views
** two huge traffic spikes correlating with Bryant, otherwise not much
* WikiNav for Kobe
* WikiNav for Kobe (disambiguation)
A semi-random view of the clickstream archive (the underpinning of WikiNav):
: November '20 incoming views at Kobe: 19246
:clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    744 (~3.8% / ~14.5%)
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    407
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    260
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    157 (~0.8% / ~3%)
:* total: 5118 to 103 identified destinations
: May '22: 20030
:clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    408 (~2% / ~7.6%)
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    395
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    270 (~1.3% / ~5%)
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    216
:* total: 5349 to 112 identified destinations
; September '23: 23761
:clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    525
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    445 (~1.9% / ~7.2%)
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    246
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    89 (~0.3% / ~1.4%)
:* total: 6135 to 119 identified destinations
: January '24: 30998
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    688
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    620 (~2% / ~7.9%)
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    289
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    125 (~0.4% / ~1.6%)
:* total: 7860 to 140 identified destinations
; February '24: 25100
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    634 (~2.5% / ~9.6%)
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    601
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    239
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    103 (~0.4% / ~1.5%)
:* total: 6617 to 126 identified destinations
; March '24: 28339
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
:* Kobe Hyōgo_Prefecture        link    641
:* Kobe Kobe_Bryant     link    489 (~1.7% / ~6.6%)
:* Kobe Kobe_beef       link    249
:* Kobe Kobe_(disambiguation)   link    88 (~0.3% / ~1.2%)
:* total: 7389 to 136 identified destinations
In turn from the disambiguation page, we see these kinds of clicks:
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_(given_name)       link    30
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_Bryant     link    28
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_beef       link    23
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe    link    15
:* total: 96 to 4 identified destinations
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_(given_name)       link    34
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_Bryant     link    33
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe    link    12
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_beef       link    11
:* total: 90 to 4 identified destinations
:clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_beef       link    31
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_(given_name)       link    25
:* Kobe_(disambiguation)        Kobe_Bryant     link    13
:* total: 69 to 3 identified destinations
So, while we've got precedent to think that there is no primary topic by usage based on these kinds of numbers (I've documented many at WT:D), at the same time, the city article clearly attracts a large and steady readership which in turn proceeds to over a hundred different articles and the topics related to Kobe Bryant or beef have prominence but a largely waning one, it seems. This clearly hints that the city article could still be a perfectly legitimate primary topic and the hatnote suffices to address the usage issue.
Any move discussion would absolutely have to provide a coherent examination of both usage and long-term significance, which neither of them so far did. --Joy (talk) 12:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  followup to move discussion