Talk:Dargah

message: It was rather jumbled. I re-organized and rewrote. I'm writing this at a distance, having never been to a dargah or a mela, so input from South Asian Wikipedians is invited. Zora 06:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been to quite a few Dargahs and celebrations. I've edited the article a little. --Nkv 11:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: This website is spelling it "dargha," not "dargah."  Which is the proper romanization from whatever language it's being pronounced in in Tamil Nadu?  Badagnani 09:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not dargha. "gh" is often used for another letter. That's a geocities site and not something very reliable IMHO atleast for spellings. --Nkv 09:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dargah or dargha? 

message: dargah of maqbara image is my own work, and i have uploaded it with public domain license. do not delete it.- wasifwasif  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs) 09:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion of maqbara dargah image. 

message: Hi,
What was agreed here was to have views from both sides of teh scholars seperately as what they interpret to Quranic verses and Ahahdith  from Prophet PBUH. But they have been included as common without mentioning as whose views are they.? In Islam, Shias have a different view about Dargah. And even in Sunni, the Barelawi scholars, the Deobandi scholars and the wahhabi scholars differ in their views regarding dargahs. So to build a WP:NPOV neutral article please include as whose views are they? A simple statement Muslim scholars.... would surely mislead the readers as there are a lot of difference in interpretations. I am planning to do that if no body takes up.
Also before i delete, please confirm, in what way or in whose views, these Quranic verses are related with dargahs.??
In the Quran,
In the Hadeeth,
Wasif (talk) 14:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the ayahs and ahadeeth, they are present in the reference and hence relevant. As to other views, I am unable to find reliable sources to include something like views of so and so. What I found and included in the section under the validity section was not attributed to any particular group. The references in no way declare that they are the views of a particular group, but present them as general views, as directly interpreted from the Quran and Hadeeth. So for the current content, we may not need to portray whose views are they.There is lack of sources available. If you are able to find some, you can add subsections below the current section as X's views to maintain neutrality. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 16:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. The quranic verses and Ahadith mentioned here are no way related to dargah ziyarat. Also what i was asking is about theses lines, Mainstream Muslims do not believe in the practice of constructing over graves and turning them into places of worship, and consider it as associating partners to God........... This is can never be a common view of all scholars of Islam. How do you say, So for the current content, we may not need to portray whose views are they... This will not help build a WP:NPOV holding views of all scholars including Shia, Deobandi, Barelawi, Salafi etc. Also please add with Reliable sources as whose views are they for the statements whatever added. A 'who' tag is long pending there. Answer it please to construct a neutral WP article.Wasif (talk) 08:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "No. The quranic verses and Ahadith mentioned here are no way related to dargah ziyarat." But that is exactly what is mentioned in the cited source. Regarding "whose views?", the source does not say anything about it, it is just a commentary on the direct interpretation of the Quran and Hadeeth, not any specific view of "Deobandi, Barelawi, Salafi etc" which are common in the Indian subcontinent. Regarding "Mainstream", it can be changed to "Some". I have added what I could find, and if you think more sources exist that say about the differing views, add them. The article is very badly referenced. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 09:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mis interpretation of agreed consensus in Talk page 

message: Hello, the article should definitely not be merged with Mazar (mausoleum). If anything, it can be merged with Khanqah, as they are similar. The article mentions this as well: "Dargahs are often associated with Sufi meeting rooms and hostels, called khanqah or hospices". -Dominator1453 (talk) 05:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merger 

message: "Muhammad (peace be upon him) forbade turning graves into places of worship."
Is there really a purpose of peace be upon him?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.109.113 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello,
I thought good to remove "except in Arab countries" from this sentence: "Sufi shrines are found in many Muslim communities throughout the world, except in Arab countries,"
There certainly are Sufi shrines in Arab countries (Morocco, Tunisia, Palestine, Iraq, among others), you can easily look them up. Tasawwuf is not an alien concept in the Arab world. Maybe the editor meant Saudi Arabia (which actually had many shrines pre-1930, less so now), or maybe he meant that they are not as sophisticated and important as in Persia and Hind, but in any case a blanket "except in Arab countries" is counter-factual.
180.183.72.25 (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab Countries 

message: Hello again,
The intro states:
"Most Muslims do not believe in the practice of constructing over graves and turning them into places of worship, and consider it as associating partners to God or shirk"
I have changed "Most Muslims" into "Some religious scholars". This is because:
a. The source cited (an anonymous piece from "muslimhomeschool.net" arguing that that the practice is forbidden) does not make the "most Muslims" claim, and in fact it does not at all discuss the proportion of Muslims who agree or disagree.
b. Seeing as most of the Muslim world is dotted with dargahs or equivalent structures, it does not appear that "most Muslims" through the ages opposed building them.
c. It may well be that the four Sunni madhhabs are against it (source needed), but what the madhhabs do is define what orthodox opinion is, which is not necessarily the same as what the masses think. (Let us remember that historically fiqh is the endeavour of a small elite of Muslims, while Sufi tariqas were the dominant force in the religion as actually practised by the people. And still are in some parts of the world.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-c-chittick-phd/islam-as-a-religion_b_732104.html) 
d. If it can be shown, with a reliable source, that most Muslims today do oppose them, this is quite certainly a very recent (late 20th century) phenomenon. The changing historical trends should be discussed too.
Finally, this is not a debate about the merits of fiqh vs popular religion; it is about trying to represent historical facts, trends and the variety of practices and opinions through the ages.180.183.72.25 (talk) 16:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Most Muslims" 

message: All the following articles are about the same architectural type in Islamic architecture: Dargah, Gongbei, Maqam (shrine), Mazar (mausoleum), Maqbara, Qubba, Rauza, Türbe.
All of them are Islamic Mausoleums but with different regional names. Most of the articles are stub or in need of more validation. I think with merging them all as Islamic Mausoleums would cause more comprehensive view and a better article. Pouyakhani (talk) 05:43, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggestion