Talk:Big Brother 8 (American season)/Archive 2

message: OK, I've been working on Big Brother at Wikipedia for a few years now and I just thought that some points should be brought up:
*Source all of your information.
:All information must be referenced in a standard and Wikipedian manner. This means  and  tags. For a good example of this please look at Big Brother 2006 (UK) and Big Brother 2007 (UK). I'm going to put more effort into this for this series and I encourage everyone to do the same.
*Use correct grammar and spelling.
:There is no denying this, Big Brother is mainly edited by fans who wants their edits saved instantly. As members of WikiProject Big Brother, it is our job to maintain a high standard of grammar and spelling. Please edit all of these points accordingly.
*Update other Big Brother US articles.
:The standard of articles about past Big Brother US series/seasons is not very good at the moment. Even Big Brother 7: All-Stars needs a lot of improvement. For example, I'll be doing work on Big Brother 3 (US) when nothing needing special attention is happening this season.
*Look at recent Big Brother UK artcles.
:Big Brother 2006 (UK), a good article, and Big Brother 2007 (UK) are the standard for Big Brother articles on Wikipedia. Use the innovations, styling, and formatting used on those articles to improve this one. Geoking66talk 22:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some early series reminders

message: This is a message mostly from those posting from anonymous IP's... but please refrain from posting spoilers such as nominations before they have aired on the CBS broadcast.  Those comments belong on discussion forums and/or spoiler websites, and not here on wikipedia.  --Renrenren 13:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Renrenren, this has been debated many times, but the consensus has come to that the article be edited in real-time, not CBS broadcasts. Big Brother is 24/7, as such it should always be updated. Think of it this way, if reports came about a current event, would you update the article as news came out or wait for a televised edition and then update it? Wikipedia is to be updated as things happen, otherwise this is witholding valuable information. Geoking66talk 20:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok.  Thanks for the clarification.  I guess I'll just have to stay away from this page to avoid having the show spoiled for me.  The justification makes sense though.  Carry on!  --Renrenren 21:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I totally agree with Geoking66 that Wikipedia is a real-time medium and should be updated as information is available. SA Santa 13:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: I think that some guidelines compiled from previous seasons and international Big Brother articles need to be established:
*A vote row is unnecessary. People have constantly deleted it, but in concurrence with other BB articles, the evicted row should read, in wiki code "style="background:#FA8072" | Carole10 of 11 votes"
*The nomination note line should be placed on the row directly above the eviction row.
*The thin grey lines above and below the actual votes are there for æsthetics and ease of reading. It also helps separate the different parts of the table.
*Please keep spoilers intact. Despite the flack that I and other editors, such as T and Jeeny receive, it is the agreed-upon consensus that was created last year.
*Please edit the table correctly. I don't know how many times that I've seen anonymous or novice users (no offence) edit the table with good intentions but erase box boundaries. These are important. Please preview the table and edit it accordingly. Do not erase "||". That lessens the amount of boxes in a row.
Thank you for reading and let's make this article at least a good article when Big Brother 8 finishes. Geoking66talk 18:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The grey cell borders appear to be the same size throughout the chart.  Is there a specific style code to use to make them thicker between the top and voting sections as well as the voting and results sections? - 72.199.139.175 05:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting history table guidelines 

message: How do you know Joe gets evicted? User:ScottAHudson 2:42PM July 17 2007
:No one knows for sure until Thursday. Alucard 16 23:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eviction Week 2 

message: The premiere had a 4.8 rating with a 9 share.  According to the Nielsen Ratings a rating point is equal to 1.152 million viewers.  So a 4.8 rating would be 5.5296 million viewers, not the 7.401 million that the article states.  70.112.85.40 04:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to change the article to the proper ratings. I don't know anything at all how they're tabulated, and I'm really not interested enough to find out. I think Geoking has been taking care of that section. But, if you know differently, you can help!  Thanks! - Jeeny Talk 04:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 5.529m households, but 7.401m total, Nielsen recorded that. Geoking66talk 01:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: Should the popularity polls be left out of the descriptions of the houseguests? I know this is just speculation, but doesn't it seem like there's a glitch in the voting system? The two most popular houseguests have hardly been featured on the show, whereas all of the guests getting air time are near the bottom, which just doesn't seem possible? Does anyone else agree that this is a reason to leave out the popularity ratings for now?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.139.53 (talk • contribs) 
:It's "the Shabnam effect". She does poorly in approval voting, but would probably do better in disapproval voting. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 04:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity Polls 

message: Please stop with the nominations for the show on big brother 8 do that on big brother after dark. I mean I knew Jen and, Kail would be nominaterd, but still sop doing it.
:The banner at the top of the page is a warning that information before the broadcast, may and can be added. There are spoiler warnings too. And please sign your posts - Jeeny Talk 17:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Side-note - Please do not list post-veto nominations until they are officially made in the Veto Meeting (normally held on Mondays). - 72.199.139.175 05:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It belongs in the article. Do not remove it again. There is a notice banner on the top of page. Do not come to this page if you do not want to know about it, please! This is a project, which you can read about at WP:BIGBRO. Join it, if you want to change guidelines, and discuss it there. Thanks. - Jeeny Talk 17:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominations...again

message: I don't think we should include the PoV symbol in the voting table.  At first glance, I had to double-check whether the symbol in the rows for people who won the veto that week or the people whose nominations were vetoed.  - fmmarianicolon | Talk 01:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PoV symbol in the voting table 

message: Who is deleting information about the housemates' time in the house from their sections? It's supposed to be there. The sections are about not only the housemates' backgrounds, but also about what they did and their accomplishments whilst and eventually after being in the house. Geoking66talk 03:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in the house 

message: Why was he removed from the houseguest list? User:ScottAHudson
:He's there. Big_Brother_8_%28US%29#Zach - Jeeny Talk 17:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zach 

message: Although I think it's a great idea, and thought of a way to do it before. But, I removed them because they were from the CBS site, and CBS's copyright statement which is below.
Use of Materials Contained on this Site
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(emphasis added) - Jeeny Talk 16:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried this last year (the images have been deleted). You can use one or two, but it violates fair image rules to use more than three. Geoking66talk 18:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A way that other articles have got around this is by taking a screenshot of the houseguests as a group or 2 or 3 smaller groups - counts as fair use as it demonstrates their partication in the show which would otherwise be unavailable. See List of The Apprentice candidates (UK) as an example. Seaserpent85 19:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a Google image search and can't find anything that seems appropriate, or useful. <shrug> - Jeeny Talk 22:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Houseguest's images

message: I appreciate the addition of the housemates' time in the house, but please use proper  tags. Geoking66talk 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we have the day numbers of the competitions inserted into the chronology table for the competition descriptions that do not have one?ScottAHudson 18:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it seems to be a good idea. 'T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 21:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget the dates too. It's in the guidelines, and would make it even more easy to follow. Sometimes I see Day 11, with a date of July 26, in the references. But the eviction before the veto comp was something like day 13 July 27. (this is just an example, but it's a good one, if you look at the codes in the chronology section and look at the refs.) This is so confusing. We know the eviction dates, because it's a live show, but the other dates are hard to keep up on, and the Day number doesn't help without the date, especially when it doesn't add up. I dunno. JMAO. - Jeeny Talk 04:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: I think Jen is a fake bitch and she is only there to boost her fame and her modeling career, what kind of woman would take down her picture just becuz she didn't look pretty enough, that is ridiculous, plus has anybody noticed how she eyes the camera. 216.93.76.124 02:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion forum is thatta way *points to the cbs website* Frumfst 08:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jen and her Fake-ness 

message: Please do not remove sources from articles, especially about the housemates. They're critical to the credibility of the article. I still don't know why people are deleting useful information about the housemates' time in the house; it's supposed to be there! Geoking66talk 04:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the biggest culprits is Melanie2408, see my comments on her talk page. Especially see her comment on my talk page here - Jeeny Talk 04:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not remove sources! 

message: Why does Big Brother in the USA not follow the way it is played in the UK? The Uk concept of the game seems more entertaining and I think if US did it this wa it would draw better.
:Big Brother in the US did follow the original rules when it premiered in 2000. But Season 1 did not perform well in the ratings which resulted in a format change for the US version beginning with Season 2. I think the game here in the US is getting somewhat predictable and CBS could use some new twists or have more than one or two twists per season. But due to low ratings from Season 1 is why the game starting with Season 2 has different rules. Alucard 16 21:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Brother USA?? 

message: I hope ya'll don't mind me asking this question here because on the other big brother US page it can take forever to have a question answered, but is the ratings always around this area each season.Seth71 01:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're slightly down this year. However they do get higher near the end of the season (last year they reached 8m during the final three weeks). They also get higher during double eviction weeks. Geoking66talk 01:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ratings