Talk:Terri Schiavo case/Archive 24

message: It is clear from some of the dialogue above and in the archives that the Flat Earthers have not even read relevant materials. If you would only read the Wolfson report you would see that Terri had swallowing tests on three different occasions; 1991, '92, and '93. What did you think recent tests were going to show; that after twelve years in whatever state you want to call it that she had regained her ability to swallow when more recent CT scans had shown increased cortex atrophy? Please, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and go read the report. Or is Wolfson part of your grand conspiracy?
Well, hello, person who doesn't sign your name! If swallowing tests were such a bad idea, then why did Wolfson reccomend that Terri have swallowing tests performed in his GAL report? Maybe you should go back there and do your homework.
(condescending and ironic lecture snipped)
--GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 03:01, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, read the report. Wolfson was trying to forge common ground between Schiavo and the Schindlers. Getting them to agree to swallowing tests was part of that mission. Schiavo was convinced from the '91, '92, '93 tests and didn't see the necessity of confirming what had already been confirmed--three times. You and others seem to need four. The Schindlers were hanging their hat on any scrap of hope they could find; witness the 4½ minutes of video out of four+ hours they released. Person who doesn't sign his (or her) name. (Get over it.)
Would someone please tell me how I can place comments in the history page to explain why I changed what I change? For example, Moncreif graciously fixed a spelling error where I said "lot's" instead of "lots" --and he made a comment about it being an embarrassing error in the history page. How'd he do that, somebody...?
--GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 03:06, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

text: When you click on "Edit", a box with the text to edit is opened.  Just underneath that box, it says "Edit summary".  There may be something in that field, to show what part of the page you're editing (unless you clicked on the option of editing the whole page;  that option is at the top).  If has something filled in that shows the part of the page you're editing, it will have /* at the beginning, and */ at the end.  As I type these words, the Edit summary says, /*Swallowing Tests*/ . Just  type a summary of your change immediately after the /*    */ bit.  So, it could say "/*Swallowing Tests*/ removed comma", or something like that.  If the the /*    */ bit isn't there, then just type "removed comma" (or whatever) directly into that place.  Ann Heneghan 20:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swallowing Tests 

message: Last week I wrote that it's time for a placeholder that the ashes of Terri Schiavo have not been buried.  At the time of her death, the press accounts were that Michael Schiavo was permitted to cremate the body and was required by the court to disclose to the Schinder's any burial or memorial service.
I was challenged by anonymous that the Schindlers may have been informed of a burial and chose not to make their knowledge of this public.  This is highly improbable but on May 6 it was possible.  Today it's no longer possible.  The Schindler's have said that they have not been informed of the burial and Michael Schiavo was unavailable for comment.
AP
Proposed wording: On May 7, 2005 the parents of Terri Schiavo made public a complaint that they had not been informed if, when, and where the ashes of their daughter were (or are to be) buried by Michael Schiavo.  He was ordered by court to provide this information to them.
The wording can be left intact if nothing else happens, or changed depending on events.
patsw 03:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I support that.  Ann Heneghan 05:30, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burial : 39 Days Later 

message: I don't know what happened on this edit here  but it has my name by it. I sure don't remember doing it. did something get messed up in the database or something? FuelWagon 00:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's entirely possible.  I figured it was accidental — most people who deliberately remove things from Talk: pages are a bit more precise in their editing — so I went ahead and reverted it. - jredmond 00:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  wacky edit 

message: NCdave's version is described as the 'less POV version'. now THAT is whacky. FuelWagon 03:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You did not document your claim on that page as well as you did here; I clarified and affirmed some of your claim and overturned other of it here:  --GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 04:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  another wacky edit 

message: Did the physicians nominated by the Schindlers use this phrase in their testimony? I think they just denied she was in PVS. Hammesfahr claimed she had some living tissue in the cortex and that by using some quack therapies he could "improve function". He didn't say how. Cheshire said she was in a minimally conscious state some time afterwards. Can the editors who want to associate MCS with Hammesfahr and Maxfield please cite them doing so? I'm editing the passage in question and hope that other editors will prevent its reversion until you do so cite them. Grace Note 03:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that is a more accurate representation of the facts. FuelWagon 04:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Minimally conscious state" 

message: Here are some links that you may find helpful:
** "Advocacy and Commentary"
* http://www.prolifeblogs.com/ (Obvious why this is relevant: Pro-Terri)
* http://www.highway2health.net/ (Pro-Terri)
* http://www.theempirejournal.com/ (2nd rate, but very informative; Pro-Terri)
* http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/ (Radio Talk show host; David Allan IS an attorney; Pro-Terri)
* http://www.apfn.org/ (Message Board; rather pro-Terri and Anti-Government)
* http://www.hospicepatients.org/ (The name says it all; Re: Hospice care; very pro-Terri)
* www.freerepublic.com/ (Another well-known message board; somewhat pro-Terri)
* http://AbstractAppeal.com (An Attorney's blog; purports to be neutral, and usually is, but author made Anti-Terri comments in St Pete Times article recently (Matt said Greer followed the law); This link is NOT on Wiki, but probably should be --his compilation is in Wiki sources section.)
* http://www.carltonfields.com/attorneys/bio.aspx?SectionID=5&bioid=000001639003 (Matt's personal page; he is the author of Abstract Appeal - this page is NOT listed in Wiki, but could be an active link where his name is shown; doing this would take up no more space on Wiki page at all)
* http://www.glennbeck.com/ (Known supporter of Terri Schiavo but not active recently)
* http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/ (Known supporters of Terri)
* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ (Has done Pro-Terri news coverage in the past)
* http://libertytothecaptives.net/ Private site of woman who has done Pro-Terri commentary / research
* http://saveterrislife.com/ Another private site - Very lengthy - Pro-Terri
* http://www.fight4terri.blogspot.com/ - Blog - Pro-Terri
* http://www.aclu.org/ National ACLU website - Very Anti-Terri
* http://www.aclufl.org/ FLORIDA ACLU website - Very Anti-Terri
* http://hometown.aol.com/Gww1210 (The Register - balanced, but pro-Terri)
* http://geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313 (mirror, in case AOL server is busy or times out)
* http://gordonwatts.com/ (Personal website to Register editor - has links to 2 paper mirror - Gordon is Pro-Terri)
* http://www.aclj.org/ American Center for Law and Justice - Very Pro-Terri
* http://www.nrlc.org/ National right to life (Pro-Terri)
* http://www.notdeadyet.org/ (Not Dead Yet, Pro-Terri, but LIBERAL leanings and represents handicapped folk)
* http://katesjourney.com/ (Personal website of a woman who was declared PVS but wasn't - VERY GOOD! and scary...)
**Compilations
* http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/topics/terrischindler/ (David Allen's compilation - Pro-Terri)
* www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=schiavo (Lookup / Search compilation in Freepers; somewhat pro-Terri)
* http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html (Abstract Appeal "Info Page" compilation - this IS in Wiki but is listed here for contrast to show which link is which; Somewhat Neutral; see above comments)
* http://reasonmclucus.tripod.com/terri.html (Compilation / dialogue with linked documentation; Seems Neutral)
* http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/ (Private group - read only - Pro-Terri)
* http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles4/terrifrms.htm (Private site - a very good compilation of links / advocacy - Pro-Terri) 
* http://hometown.aol.com/gww1210/myhomepage/schiavo.html -In depth analysis (somewhat pro-Terri) of Terri's Law
* http://www.geocities.com/gordon_watts32313/schiavo.html (mirror to above site - in case link is down or busy)
* http://hometown.aol.com/Gww1210/myhomepage/CourtCases.html - Compilation of Court Case documents - rather neutral
* http://www.geocities.com/gordon_watts32313/CourtCases.html - mirror to said site; in case one link is down or site busy
* http://terrisfight.org/links.html (Compilation of LINKS from official website - very complete)
PS: There are NO duplications above, as best I can see; every page is different, even if a few have the same root page; that was on purpose.
Sorry folks, I could only find a few "anti" Terri sites or compilations, but I did try. You are welcome to include more. --GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 10:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What does this have to do with the article?--Fangz 16:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 2 things: 1- it showed a slightly wider appeal for one of my links than was otherwise thought, and 2-it was a lighthearted brief diversion; we all needed that. Before we discuss any of the links, note 2 more things: 1-my sites have varied pages: not all are alike (some news, some commentary, some compilations or court documents, some compilations of links, like front page, for example) --2- there are many links, not meant to overwhelm, but to provide sufficient documentation for anything that may come up. Readers want documentation, and I provide it, in spades. --GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 05:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here are some links that you may find helpful 

message: A while back someone (I don't remember who) added a sub category of Parodies under the heading of See Also and put a link to a South Park episode which apparently did a, well, parody of the Terri Schiavo case. So far as I recall there was no discussion whatsoever about its addition. Does anyone have a problem with that being in the article? Duckecho 21:50, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't, but let's remember that real people who had key involvement in the case ("I did better than the Gov") take precedence over cartoons! I'm not just speaking for myself, but I think I'm a person. (Parody OK?  -  not bad, but let's keep our priorities straight.) --GordonWattsDotCom_In_Florida 06:00, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't have a problem with parody. FuelWagon 05:58, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parody OK? 

message: This is my personal request to any wikipedian reading this: Revert any edit by Gordon Watts on sight,in bulk, in totality. I agree with the assessment a ways up: Gordo has become a menace. Thank you for your time. FuelWagon 00:36, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, for the court involvement a simple docket search suffices --  and case no. SC03-2420.--Mia-Cle 00:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But that doesn't prove notability.--Fangz 00:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

text: "left-handed compliments"? You're an idiot running amuck with a keyboard, tearing through an article that a lot of us have worked long hours to make the best. You've yet to list any specific complaints other than that your vanity links should be in the article, and that your involvment in the case deserves star treatment.  You're a Don Quixote, a meglomaniac with delusions of grandeur, and a self image as a knight in shining armor, unwilling or unable to notice that you're behaviour is more like a drunken bum staggering through the streets leaning on the shoulders of complete strangers telling them your theories of life while blowing beer breath in their faces. Your posts are like someone who suddenly loosens their tongue when they get drunk, but then through their alcohol haze, they fail to have a point, often repeat something they said two minutes ago, and insist that everyone listen to them. You seriously need to find some self-worth. enlist in the army. You'll get your ass kicked and will be the better for it. FuelWagon 05:55, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please cease your insults and bullying, FuelWagon and Astanhope.  Gordon Watts has made numerous careful and constructive contributions, and he does not deserve the abuse you are heaping on him.  Do you care nothing for Wikiquette, and just plain common decency?  NCdave 12:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert Gordon Watts on sight 

message: In one of your many attempts to edit you asked "[w]hy are we deleting a concise opening paragraph detailing the importance of this woman and the reason for her inclusion in this encyclopedia? Why are we also removing a standard biography infobox?"
The answer in the first case is because that information is already contained in the article and although your version may be concise, without editing the redundant information contained therein from following paragraphs all your addition does is clutter up the already lengthy article.
The answer in the second case is because the information contained therein is redundant, being represented elsewhere on the page within inches of your infobox. Moreover, although it is known that she grew up in the Philadelphia area, it apparently is uncertain (or at least undocumented) that she was born there. Consequently, your information is also inaccurate. 
Finally, your edit isn't even formatted correctly, as your info box has state, city, country in the Born area and city, state, country in the Died area. Very sloppy work and not worthy of keeping in the article.
In any event, you've been advised on at least three occasions to bring a discussion of your proposal to the talk page and you've declined to do so, putting you in the category of vandal and subject to automatic reversion. Duckecho 22:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention user: 200.83.181.18 

message: If you're tired of hearing about the celebrated court case that nearly tipped the balance of the world as we know it, I have a detailed analysis of it on my talk page.
No charge. Duckecho 20:23, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The great non-win court case