Talk:Flip trick

message: I'm going to edit this page and start watching it, along with all the other skateboarding pages. Basic tricks don't need citations, since their definition is mostly a matter of oral history. However, any spectacular sounding tricks that are added without citations (pictures or video) will be immediately removed. Remember that these pages are a general reference and are not intended to be an all-inclusive guide to skateboarding. If you want an all-inclusive list, make a skateboarding Wiki. Shreditor 20:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's really getting ridiculous. I started this page and if I was a sys-op I'd at least semi-protect it. I even added a warning at the top but no one seems to pay attention... --Liface 22:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention all editors

message: We're going to keep all trick suggestions to this section before putting them in. Make sure to not only describe the trick but CITE SOURCES as well. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these are flip tricks. --Liface 15:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Barely any results. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Not enough results. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was done in Thrasher KOTR 2006 by 3 different people. Don't trust goodle, trust people who actually skate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violask81976 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No results on google... --Liface 01:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Rosflip is a no comply based trick, if done in a complete ollie its called a "Swedish Flip" which can be seen in this video
http://www.shredordie.com/videos/2e84ec1d87/the-dupage-video-from-bragic at time stamp 3:15 by Tim Pool, in the same note you can see a demonstration of the Heelside Kickback, at timestamp 2:10  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.4.107.204 (talk) 03:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Only 250+ results and most of these aren't even having to do with skateboarding. Also, I'm pretty sure most call this a pressure flip. --Liface 01:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, this is an presure flip. Also it could be called old-skool heelflip, in the time the ollie wasn't invented. J-Ros 14:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: This is not a flip trick. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If we added that we would have to add a 360 for every trick on this page. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, might be worthy of an addition. Anyone else have an opinion? --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bull pies... Show me a video of one and a video of the other. You'll never find a video of a perfectly flat frontside-shoveit kickflip, because it just ain't going to happen. Shreditor 23:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trick suggestions

message: What about Frontside / backside air?Professor marginalia 16:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These are not flip tricks. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Basics

message: Who keeps saying that Jason lee invented the 360 flip in 2008 October god he didn't even invent it he just is famous for doing them,Rodney Mullen invented them in the late 90s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xl1234 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The 360 flip

message: This article is nothing but an originally-researched list containing how-to sections. It needs a major overhaul with proper sources and citations. -- VegitaU 03:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The definitions of skateboarding tricks are oral tradition. If you absolutely demand written sources, you might as well get rid of the page altogether because you won't find them. Shreditor 00:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, I'll nominate it for deletion. -- VegitaU 01:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your sudden interest here? There are thousands of articles on Wikipedia without sources, and on subjects of far greater importance than skateboarding. Shreditor 03:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll edit whatever I want to edit…I believe I mentioned that to you already. If this article is of "little importance", as you say, it should be deleted. This is not a repository of lists, how to guides, and random information. Thanks for your concern! -- VegitaU 03:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't answer my question. Why the sudden interest in this particular article? Some of us have put a lot of work in to these articles. Whether or not a particular article meets with your approval, it's extremely rude to go around making repetitive edits and harrassing legitimate users over insignificant matters of style. And no, you don't get any extra points for being persistent. Shreditor 03:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I improve it as I have time, but there are no sources to be found for skateboarding tricks that aren't also just a list written by some random guy. If you want to delete it, delete it. For all your vigilance, all you will have accomplished is to ruin someone else's work. Now, will that make you look like a smart editor or just a pathetic internet bully? Shreditor 04:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as it's published, it should be good. It could be Skateboarding Tricks for Dummies or whatever. I'm sure there are many books out there on skateboarding. The problem arises that there's no real oversight here. Anyone can create a trick here. Here's one for example: Super-Dooper Trick: 920-degree flip backwards finishing with a one-armed handstand and three cartwheels. -- VegitaU 04:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And, I keep telling you, THERE ARE NO PUBLISHED SOURCES. I realize anyone can make edits. That's why there are a few of us that screen those edits and revert as necessary. Shreditor 04:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No published sources? You mean published sources like this or like this or like this? You're welcome. -- VegitaU 04:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't read those books. I don't need to read those books. That's the first time I've seen books about skateboarding, because I've never had a need to go look for them. Do I need to go buy a book to know what a Heelflip is when I see people do them every time I'm at a skatepark? I think not. In any case: You found sources. You cite them. If you don't want to, then leave the article alone. Shreditor 04:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I wasn't aware of those sources. In any case, it doesn't change a thing. I'm not going to run out to the library just to read some kids book on skateboarding so I can cite it here. As I said before, if you want sources so badly, you cite them. Essentially what you're saying here is I'm not going to help improve the article, but if you don't hurry up and improve this article I'll delete it. What the hell is wrong with that picture? Shreditor 00:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just completed a major cleanup of this article, including the insertion of tags and citations, and will continue to work onit later, as it requires further work. I also removed jargonistic and irrelevant content, as it was not in accordance with Wikipedia policy.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Coming from the above discussion, it seemed to me that no one was interested in finding any sources. -- VegitaU 02:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can find sources, but I'll do it when I'm good and ready. Shreditor 04:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I barely ever have time to edit Wikipedia anymore. Sorry. I don't run around like you making thousands of edits a day nominating articles for deletion which aren't hurting anyone. --Liface 07:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I only make a little over a dozen per day. Aren't you the one with "over 8000 edits"? -- VegitaU 17:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I agree that the article is pretty much crap right now. If I had the time and the motivation, I could write far better descriptions of these tricks and probably find sources for most of them. However, why should I have to? This article is not hurting anyone or anything, and the lack of sources is only a technicality because there is no dispute about the definitions. VegitaU, I might also add that for someone who seems willing to spend hours on here every day supposedly to "help Wikipedia", your tone seems to imply more that you're here just to win the argument. Shreditor 00:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Skateboarding tricks are in constant flux, with the evolution of magic flip to kickflip. We see a constant change in skateboarding terminology. Because skateboarding tricks are oral names are often misspelled, and coupled with cheap source of published video and books you see name like "andrex invert" which is a corruption of "andrecht." I have even seen video of akshall stalls (thats how it was spelled in the video) instead of "axle stall." Having the money and means to publish what tricks are what does not dictate the true name of the trick. The truth behind names comes from the community, in Chicago we have dolphin flips, performed by kicking hard on the nose forcing it to move like a nollie hardflip, however published this name is called many different names (i.e. OverFlip, Frontflip, forward flip, Murder Flip, as well as dolphin) I trust you will not find any sources for tricks more specific than basics.  99.4.107.204 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: Please leave the prod template off until we can find some sources. --Liface 01:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming from the above discussion, it seemed to me that no one was interested in finding any sources. -- VegitaU 02:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can find sources, but I'll do it when I'm good and ready. Shreditor 04:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I barely ever have time to edit Wikipedia anymore. Sorry. I don't run around like you making thousands of edits a day nominating articles for deletion which aren't hurting anyone. --Liface 07:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I only make a little over a dozen per day. Aren't you the one with "over 8000 edits"? -- VegitaU 17:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I agree that the article is pretty much crap right now. If I had the time and the motivation, I could write far better descriptions of these tricks and probably find sources for most of them. However, why should I have to? This article is not hurting anyone or anything, and the lack of sources is only a technicality because there is no dispute about the definitions. VegitaU, I might also add that for someone who seems willing to spend hours on here every day supposedly to "help Wikipedia", your tone seems to imply more that you're here just to win the argument. Shreditor 00:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Skateboarding tricks are in constant flux, with the evolution of magic flip to kickflip. We see a constant change in skateboarding terminology. Because skateboarding tricks are oral names are often misspelled, and coupled with cheap source of published video and books you see name like "andrex invert" which is a corruption of "andrecht." I have even seen video of akshall stalls (thats how it was spelled in the video) instead of "axle stall." Having the money and means to publish what tricks are what does not dictate the true name of the trick. The truth behind names comes from the community, in Chicago we have dolphin flips, performed by kicking hard on the nose forcing it to move like a nollie hardflip, however published this name is called many different names (i.e. OverFlip, Frontflip, forward flip, Murder Flip, as well as dolphin) I trust you will not find any sources for tricks more specific than basics.  99.4.107.204 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This is ridiculous

message: It would make more sense to have sections such as "Basic Flip Tricks" and order the tricks alphabetically in their respective groups. If this occurs, one could read the article from top to bottom and understand what a "Backside 360 shove-it with a kickflip" is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlaze (talk • contribs) 17:23, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
::That's not a bad idea at all. You have to come up with some method of organizing it, perhaps in the order the tricks were invented or by type. Maybe we could even reformat it as an actual article rather than a list. Shreditor 19:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order 

message: Hi - Any reason why the following are featured in an article on Flip Tricks?
Big Spin,
Impossible,
Late Shove-it,
No Comply,
Nollie,
Ollie North,
Pop Shuvit,
I was going to remove them, but I thought I'd check first. Steve-g 08:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Impossible and the Shove-it are technically flip tricks. --Liface 17:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm, I can see how the impossible could be, but a shove-it? How come? Steve-g 19:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I know the board doesn't technically "flip" in a shove-it, but they're at least similar to other a flip trick in that they're an Ollie where the board comes off your feet, does something, and then you catch it and land. You could take the Ollie North out though. It's sort of an orphan. Shreditor 03:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Flip-Tricks 

message: I've added references for ten tricks. I'll find more soon. Do we need to reference every trick before the Verifiability tag can be removed? Steve-g 10:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote that it be removed. The fact that we can find references proves we have good faith in knowing that all the tricks exist. --Liface 10:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removed. And a few more references added. Steve-g 11:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I just put up the first four most basic tricks: kickflip, heelfip and (ftrontside/backside) Pop Shove-it
...hope no one minds but I think it's time we started categorising this page
If you don't like it then I'll give up while I'm ahead - don't waiste my time, I got lots of skateboarding to do in the next fortnight because I got other fellow renowned skateboarders coming my way, and I don't want to loose in a Game of "S.K.A.T.E." to them. (checkout the tricks their up against on my userpage)
P.S. I also added a heelflips page (or rather edited it) and removed the redirect...um...it's not the best job, but I was sort of hoping that someone would do a better job (I can't do all this on my own you know, 
I'm only one person)
P.P.S.S. comment on my talk page - I ain't watching anything.
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completely reviewed this page and, while it still needs more work, it would be good if you could revisit it for review. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I second. Shove-its are "flip" tricks, even though the board technically doesn't go upside down. Shreditor (talk) 19:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed Pop Shove-it from the article as I don't think it is a flip trick - the board doesn't go upside down. Regardless of any debate over such issues, the proper place for shove-its is Pop Shove-its or Shove-its, I also think those two pages should be merged into a generic article that also includes all Shove-its. I'm also happy to assist in creating a shove-it page and deleting the redundant ones.  Steve-g (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree that it is not s flip trick, but I have left it in General terms, as the unitiated reader needs to know what the trick is to understand the descriptions of the flip tricks in the article.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Most Basic Flip Tricks 

message: If people want References and Sources just quote one of the Category:Skateboarding video games, Category:Skateboarding magazines, Category:Skateboarding videos and/or Category:Skateboarding films found on wikipedia. If it's impractical due to technicalities then don't let them get away with it and revert back to a trick-tip-video such as: Tony Hawks Trick Tips Series and The First Step (claiming to be "the ultimate skateboarding trick tip series" - found at "the1ststep.com"). I know I only named two but I'm sure there's more out there. If all else fails try for a last resort at visiting youtube, I here they have unlimited videos on trick tips - WARNING don't waste your bandwidth on youtube, youtube is shitzzle...someone just came up with the idea of ripping everyone off and they have succeeded, join me in the march against youtube!
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 11:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifiable References, Sources and External Links 

message: I have also just added this section
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 13:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic Flip Tricks 

message: I would like to keep all of the information in this category/list - I know tricks like "Hardflip" should be moved up into "180 Flips" but I want to wait until I have finished editing/cotntributing/cleaning-up this page (This page is my number-one-priority) - I have plans for all that information and as to where to should be placed. I am requesting that you all bear with me on this as it is a project that I have taken the liberty of, at least trying to, Fulfill.
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 03:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completely reviewed this page and, while it still needs more work, it would be good if you could revisit it for review. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Flip Tricks 

message: Please note that a "Pop" Shove-it must be included as an essential flip trick and that "Shove-its without the Pop" cannot be included at all - the reason being that "normal Shove-its" are seldom used in combinations/variations of "Flip tricks" and therefore have been removed. That having been said, I suggest that we create a Shove-its page where all information on shove-its can be viewed (instead of not having them at all). This page should include (but is not limited to): Shove-its, Pop Shove-its, Street Shove-its. And I am more than happy to support/assist the creation of such a page.
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 04:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I second. Shove-its are "flip" tricks, even though the board technically doesn't go upside down. Shreditor (talk) 19:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed Pop Shove-it from the article as I don't think it is a flip trick - the board doesn't go upside down. Regardless of any debate over such issues, the proper place for shove-its is Pop Shove-its or Shove-its, I also think those two pages should be merged into a generic article that also includes all Shove-its. I'm also happy to assist in creating a shove-it page and deleting the redundant ones.  Steve-g (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree that it is not s flip trick, but I have left it in General terms, as the unitiated reader needs to know what the trick is to understand the descriptions of the flip tricks in the article.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shuv-off 

message: since they're not included in this page for some reason, I thought there should at least be a link to that page at the top of the article. AlexWangombe (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Refer to the "Shove-off" section above for an update on this matter. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  shove-its 

message: People are constantly vandalizing the flip tricks page with
Unsourced
Redundant 
Fabricated
information
Please either fix the grammar and remove the unsourced information or stop blocking me from doing so. -69.171.163.19 (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bypassing bans will only get you in more trouble. - Zhang He (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, you could have fixed it insted of removing alot of stuff with no edit summary.Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To IP address: Either way, the way you behaved was inappropriate. - Zhang He (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: You should have disscussed it first.Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Still, disscuss removing stuff behand. And please use edit summaries on edits like that. Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flip tricks page is under attack 

message: I have over 10 years skateboarding and have several sponsors including Ipath shoes.
I would like to completely rewrite this article and cite new references, particularly Trickipedia on TheBerrics.com
The page has tons of spelling and grammatical errors. Several of the tricks are fake as are most of the names.
:Hello again. I am glad that we could get off on the right foot now.Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As in were not accusing each other of stuff, etc.Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Never mind. Abce2|If you would like to make a call.. 05:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Whoever, started this section, please feel free to come back to this page and review the overhaul that I have completed. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to completely rewrite article 

message: Can we lock this page and only post tricks that have been put up on theberrics.com?
the berrics is a professional skatepark / vlog
trickipedia is their attempt to clean this mess up.
:No, as the Trickipedia is a work-in-progress and other tricks have already been established on the internet.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berrics.com and trickipedia 

message: I cannot find any reference to this trick, so if anyone can help, please feel free to do so. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Koston flip???

message: How is this:
:The flip trick first invented was the kickflip (originally called the 'magic flip'), invented by professional skateboarder, inventor, and entrepreneur,Rodney Mullen.
I think the extra details about him being an inventor and entrepreneur are not needed in an article about flip tricks. Sancho 02:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . I agree entirely - all of that is in Mullen's article. No need to repeat it here. Stalwart111 12:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have included this in the lead section, as the article becomes inaccessible to the general Wikipedia readership who is likely to be unaware of Rodney Mullen. The terms are merely descriptors and do not go into detail. It seems to go against Wikipedia policy to cite names without a descriptor, as the vast majority of people in Asia, for example (the majority of the world's internet users), will have no idea of who Mullen is. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia resource—not a skateboard resource. Is this reasonable? However, I think "professional skateboarder" is sufficient. I don't mean to be brash, but you want to provide an adequate explanation for suggestions, rather than the scant content you have offered up there Sancho. Cheers,--Soulparadox (talk) 10:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much background about Rodney Mullen is needed in the lead? 

message: As part of my further development of this section, I think I have replaced/removed all of the outdated Dead links. If anyone spots further Dead links that I have missed, it would be great to remove them all.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links 

message: Lately I took over a hundred photographs of skateboarding tricks while traveling in Mexico city, please see c:Category:Skateboarding in Mexico. I do not know much about skateboarding, so I can not identify individual tricks. I need help with  matching my photographs to the list of tricks in Flip trick and possibly other pages and add them. Anybody her can help me out? --Jarekt (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help identifying skateboarding tricks 

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