Template talk:Copy to Wikibooks

message: There is a movement within Wikibooks to cull a considerable amount of content off of Wikibooks, and the How-to guides are one of the items being debated strongly.  I'm just warning that any strong warning about moving the content to Wikibooks should also be met with a jaundiced view that it might as well be deleted altogether in a more permanent manner.  Certainly for this reason alone, you should not automatically delete templates like the How-to template.  This was a very, very, very bad idea and should be reverted as additional instructions specific to "how-to" guides may be important in the future. 
Mind you, this isn't saying that deletion of all how-to guides on Wikibooks is inevitable, but I am giving fair warning here that it might happen, and other non accredited college course specific textbooks may also be deleted in the future.  BTW, yes, this includes kids books and perhaps even high school textbooks.  It is not a pretty picture right now at Wikibooks.  Adding this template may just be simply putting the equivalent of a speedy delete template from Wikibooks on the article.  --Robert Horning 20:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your concerns on the future of Wikibooks, and I understand the need to communicate this through this template. On this basis I'd agree that two separate templates are needed. I'd hope that the issue with how-to content in Wikibooks would be settled as quickly as possible, so that more informative warning may be used instead of the current. I feel that this issue should become clear in about week, or if not, I'll rephrase the template to include the warning in a subtler fashion. Santtus 21:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't count on this being resolved in the next week or so.  This is an issue that may be resolved in about a year or so.  I'm serious.  It takes a week sometimes for Wikibooks participants to clear their throat.  Still, it is important for the Wikipedia community to know that this is an issue on Wikibooks, and that proposing a move of content to Wikibooks may simply result in its out right deletion.  If you don't think that is the best approach, join in the policy discussions.  Of course, much of this is because Wikipedia deletionists have become quite active on en.wikibooks lately.  --Robert Horning 15:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've mentioned (a) that how-tos might be moved to Wikibooks, and (b) that this has been disputed. However, I need some cites for the latter statement. Whereabouts on Wikibooks has there been a call for the deletion of how-tos en masse? NeonMerlin 03:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There hasn't been. How-tos are mostly welcome on Wikibooks. Content should be double-checked against b:WB:WIW before being transwikied. – Mike.lifeguard | talk 02:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There is a small but very vocal group of individuals who started a Wikia How-to group, with the understanding that eventually Jimbo would allow them to create this as a full independent Wikimedia project.  I don't understand how or where they got that idea, but some of these individuals (mainly one seemingly well-connected individual) was active in getting this project put together, and even succeeded in deleting some content off of Wikibooks as it was moved to this how-to wiki in a manner similar to how content was yanked from Wikibooks for the gaming Wiki.  Policy pages on Wikibooks and Meta were modified to indicate that how-to books were not welcome.  Fortunately (from my perspective) this did not gain "concensus" from most of the Wikibooks users and has since fallen upon deaf ears that the how-to books should be deleted.  There still is, however, a minority opinion on Wikibooks that the how-to books really aren't textbooks and don't deserve to remain on that project.  I think it is wise that people using this template be aware of this issue, which is why I brought it up in the first place.  --Robert Horning 13:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be careful about strong recommendations to move to Wikibooks 

message: Removing as obsolete. There are such greatly different views as to what should be suggested in the message box as to justify the use of two or more separate message boxes. Should this issue change, merging can be suggested again. Santtus 12:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of merge discussion tag 

message: I suggest that this template be renamed to "Copy to Wikibooks".  Putting this template in place does not cause an article to be moved, it causes it to be copied.  Once copied, the original might be deleted from wikipedia, or it might be rewritten, expanded, etc.  Calling this "Move to wikibooks" makes people who come across the template think that the template will cause the deletion of the article, and often leads people to remove the template inappropriately.  Giving it the proper name would end that.  Note that I'm also suggesting the renaming of some of the other "Move to" templates to "Copy to", see Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Rename_all_Move_to_templates_to_Copy_to. --Xyzzyplugh 11:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename as Copy to Wikibooks?

message: For the reasons listed above, I have moved this template to Copy to Wikibooks.  Also, see Template_talk:Move_to_Wiktionary#Move_vs._copy, where this subject was discussed (although for Move to Wiktionary) and consensus was that this change was appropriate.  I plan to similarly rename the Move to Wikisource and Move to Wikibooks Cookbook templates, and possibly some of the others.  There are mentions in various articles and help files and such around wikipedia which mention "Move to Wikibooks" which will need to be changed, I will do that after some time has passed, waiting first to see if there is some major disagreement to this change. --Xyzzyplugh 04:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Wikibooks is now Copy to Wikibooks

message: Perhaps the link to meta:Transwiki should go to meta:Help:Transwiki. Taemyr 04:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  meta:Transwiki is a disambiguation page.