Talk:Porsche 911 (930)

message: For the old discussion please see Talk:Porsche 930/Archive1 or Talk:Porsche 930/Archive2
Xaosflux 22:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I am glad Waldo and me have resolved the personal issue about this. Now I have inserted a blank spot in the article so Waldo does not think I am trying to impose the third picture with the "best sports car" quote over his car. I suggest a reasonable discussion how to fill that spot:
1. The dark green "Waldo car" has the "problem" that it has been modified with various fiberglass body moldings:  Please compare to factoy spec car: . Conversions are done quite often with any kind of 911. The reason is that the 911 body hasn't changed significantly over 30 years and it is possible to convert any 911 to any other 911 between 1964 and 1998. However: Waldo's car has not been restored to 930-looks and there is no 930 in this world which ever left the factory that way. It is a 911 with body conversions. Waldo's conversions are not 930-specific and could as well be claimed to be a 965 or 964 RS or a "Phantasy-Porsche" like cars in "2 fast 2 fourious". This is a factory-spec 965 Turbo S, please take a look at it: http://andrewnewbury.tripod.com/index_files/965TurboS_tm.jpg See? Wlado's car looks rather like this one than a 930. Waldo's car even has 18 inch wheels, which Porsche never allowed on a 930 because of the structural integrity of the suspension and body. 18 inch wheels were offered on the 965 Turbo S of 1991 the first time! Please check out for yourself with Porsche for example. The differences among 911s are subtle from outside, but make very big differences, as a 965 and a 930 share almost no identical parts except a few body panels.
2. I strongly suggest we remain with factory specific cars and leave out the aspect of modified and converted 911s in this rather short encyclopedia. Therefore why not adding a rear view picture showing the wide arches and the Whale Tail, if there has got to be a third picture? There are plenty of good samples available from the Porsche historical archive and I have easy access to such. I was suggesting: , but I am happy with any other. Also one restored by Waldo is fine - if restored to factory specifications.
3. If modified must prevail, I suggest we either stay with the modifications offered under the factory programm or get to cars much better known among Porsche enthusiasts. Ruf cars are highly renowned and again I am happy to find pictures a Ruf 930 as I have access, too. If Waldo insists on the dark green one I would like to learn about Waldos company name and the number of cars converted this style, first.
4. I am not some 14 year old jerk. I own a Porsche 911 for myself and a Alfa Romeo Spider and it is no coincidence that I offer Waldo tours in Zuffenhausen or Pfaffenhausen. Check out what these two towns are about.
5. I am doing this because I am a enthusiast and think Wikipedia is great and wish to contribute to make this article as excellent as possible.
Waldo, please consider this and post what you think. Thanks. This is a discussion among equals and I think it is wise to leave the spot blank until this is resolved. 84.160.133.90 09:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Dispute about third picture

message: That 3rd picture appears to be of a 964, not a 930. Either that or it's a 930 with a 964 body on it, which I've heard of being done. I think whoever posted the picture should change it's caption to reflect why the vehicle looks so much newer than the other.
Well actually it's a Hummer H4 that has been specially modified to look like a 964. 0waldo 14:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on the picture 

message: The Corvette ZR-1 is not a *contemparary* competitor to the 930, as it was released later to the market (it is to a 965 and 993). There is practically no overlap in time. The Ferrari 308 is rather a counterpart to a naturally-aspirated 911 Carrera 3.2. In particular with regards to performance, there was not any Ferrari or Lamborghini equalling the acceleration of a 930 in 1975, not even the 12-cylinder versions. The Porsche 928 IS a contemproray competitor. I STRONGLY suggest taking out the amendments made (and the reference to the Ferrari 308 in the text). 1304Felix 09:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Dispute about "Contemporary Competitiors" in the info box

message: "where Ralph Nader had made his name slandering the rear engine-rear wheel drive layout of the Chevrolet Corvair"
Yeah, I don't know about that line. "Slander" has a specific legal meaning, of course, but its use here seems to introduce a bit of POV bias, I think. Nader didn't _slander_ that layout; he claimed it to be unsafe. Whether that is slander or not depends on whether you think his claims were accurate, and a factual basis for the accuracy of those claims isn't provided in this article. 
Very minor point, to be sure, but I trust nobody will mind if I edit it accordingly? 
S. Ugarte (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ralph Nader 

message: Hi, new to wikipedia, would like to edit but figure I should ask first.
A recent edit claims 5 speed g50 based transmission was available in '87. The g50 was introduced for 3.2 carerra for '87, which may be the source of the confusion. I've 3 sources that claim it was only available on 930 for '89 model year (one is factory manual)
I suggest instead:
From '75 until '88 the 930 shipped with the aluminum type 930 four speed transmission. At the time Porsche claimed the use of the new 4 speed transmission was to a) handle the extra torque of the turbo engine, b) to save space and c) because 5 gears weren't needed due to the extra torque of the turbo. porsche - portrait of a legend pg 47
'75-76 930 shipped with 930/30 transmission with 4:1 final drive and 930/32 available for cars with 16" wheels (4.222:1 final drive).
16" wheels and 930 transmission with 4.222:1 became standard in '77. In '89 the 930 came with a variant of the 5 speed g50 tranmission that had been used in the 3.2 carerra starting in '87. porsche - portrait of a legend pg 47 The '89 g50-based 930 tranmission had final drive of 3.444:1. original porsche 911; page 123-124
Cheers,
Christoffersen (talk) 06:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  content dispute - g50 -based transmission only available for '89 model year 

message: nopp... the 959 was.
the proper sentence should be: "911's top-of-the-range model for"... etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.130.61 (talk) 18:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to make exactly the same point! It should be amended to either "911 range" or "full production" as the 959 was a limited run. danno 18:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Next time be bold and make the edit :) Bjmullan (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Porsche's top-of-the-range model for its entire production duration"

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