Talk:House mouse

message: When do female mice cease being able to reproduce?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.154.61 (talk) 00:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When they reach menopause. duh! lol.  or when they refuse infertility treatments? haha, is this a joke? Punkymonkey987 (talk) 02:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Mice do not experience menopause, nor do the majority of land mammals, excluding humans (and recently described, chimpanzees) Mice continue to reproduce throughout their lifespan, but do have what is called an estropause, where around 9–12 months of age, they begin to experience irregular estrous cycles, but are typically still able to carry litters to live birth. Acgarretson (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Life Cycle

message: Could they perhaps be THE most numerous mammal on the planet?  After all, wherever we go, mice follow.  I wouldn't be surprised if they came to the moon if we ever set up a colony or research station there.I doubt it people are always laying traps. Mice run VERY FAST so make sure you watch out and the mice can get hurt very easily! REMEMBER THAT!!!
I don't know about these most populous rankings. Urban myth would indicate that Rattus Norvegicus gives it a run for its money as do sheep.
May I request a citation to support this claim. That would be interesting.
Shoot me down in flames if you know better but this looks like a very dubious 'pubfactoid'. That is a 'did you know' fact people come out with down the pub.
--Dan Allen 09:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: This is what I would add to the subspecies section: 
* Mus (musculus) musculus Linnaeus, 1758 (East European House Mouse)
* Mus (musculus) castaneus (Waterhouse, 1843) (Southeast Asian House Mouse)
* Mus (musculus) domesticus (Rutty, 1772) (West European House Mouse)
An additional subspecies was described by Prager, Orrego and Sage (1998) from the Arabian Peninsula:
* Mus musculus gentilulus Thomas, 1919
The following were previously identified as subspecies, but have since been found to belong to the subspecies above:
* Mus musculus homourus (Hodgson, 1845)
* Mus musculus molossinus (Temminck, 1845; the Japanese house mouse - actually a hybrid of musculus, castaneus and domesticus, Bonhomme 1989) 
* Mus musculus bactrianus (Blyth, 1846)(southwestern Asian House Mouse)
* Mus musculus brevirostris (Waterhouse, 1837) 
* Mus musculus praetextus (Brants, 1827)
* Mus musculus spicilegus (Petényi, 1882)
* Mus musculus spretus (Lataste, 1883)
* Mus musculus manchu (Thomas, 1909)
* Mus musculus orientalis (Cretzschmar, 1826)
* Mus musculus tytleri (Blyth, 1859)
* Mus musculus urbanus (Hodgson, 1845)
* Mus musculus wagneri (Eversmann, 1848)
There is also a lot of information that should be mentioned when creating new subspecies entries in the future:
* Mus (musculus) musculus: Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus striatus Billberg, 1827; Mus albicans Billberg, 1827; Mus niveus  Billberg, 1827; Mus hortulanus Nordmann, 1840; Mus nordmanni Keyserling and Blasius, 1840; Mus helvolus Fitzinger, 1867; Mus tomensis Kastchenko, 1905; Mus raddei Kastchenko, 1905; Mus tataricus Satunin, 1907; Mus sareptanicus Hilzheimer, 1912; Mus germanicus Noack, 1918; Mus heroldi Krausse, 1922; Mus funereus Ognev, 1924; Mus borealis Ognev, 1924; Mus hapsaliensis Reinwald, 1927; Mus vinogradovi Argyropulo, 1933; Mus nogaiorum Heptner, 1934; Mus polonicus Niezabitowsky, 1934; Mus kaleh-peninsularis Goodwin, 1940.  
* Mus (musculus) castaneus (Waterhouse, 1843) was originally described as Mus castaneus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus manei Gray; 1843, Mus rama Blyth, 1865; Mus taitiensis Zelebor, 1868; Mus albertisii Peters and Doria, 1881; Mus commissarius Mearns, 1905; Mus canacorum Revilliod, 1914; Mus momiyamai Kuroda, 1920; Mus sinicus Cabrera, 1922; Mus mystacinus Mohr, 1923; Mus dunckeri Mohr, 1923; Mus frederici Sody, 1933; Mus mohri Ellerman, 1941.
* Mus (musculus) domesticus (Rutty, 1772) was originally described as Mus domesticus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus albus Bechstein, 1801; Mus flavus Bechstein, 1801; Mus maculatus Bechstein, 1801; Mus niger Bechstein, 1801; Mus islandicus Thienemann, 1827; Mus adelaidensis Gray, 1841; Mus nudoplicatus Gaskoin, 1856; Mus varius Fitzinger, 1867; Mus cinereo-maculatus Fitzinger, 1867; Mus melanogaster Minà-Palumbo, 1868; Mus albinus Minà-Palumbo, 1868; Mus rubicundus Minà-Palumbo, 1868; Mus poschiavinus Fatio, 1869; Mus flavescens Fischer, 1872; Mus simsoni Higgins and Petterd, 1882; Mus muralis Barrett-Hamilton, 1899; Mus subterraneus Montessus, 1899; Mus faroensis Clarke, 1904; Mus ater Fraipont, 1907; Mus airolensis Burg, 1921; Mus jamesonii Krausse, 1921; Mus subcoeruleus Fritsche, 1928; Mus formosovi Heptner 1930; Mus caudatus Martino, 1934; Mus mykinessiensis Degerbøl, 1940. 
* Mus musculus homourus (Hodgson, 1845) was originally described as Mus homourus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus nipalensis Hodgens (nom. nud.), 1841; Mus darjilingensis Hodgens, 1849; Mus kakhyenensis Anderson, 1878; Mus caroli Bonhote, 1902; Mus ouwensi Kloss, 1921; Mus formosanus Kuroda, 1925; Mus tantillus Allen, 1927; Mus taiwanus Horikawa, 1929; Mus boninensis Kuroda, 1930.
* Mus musculus molossinus (Temminck, 1845) was originally described as Mus molossinus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus rotans Fortuyn, 1911; Mus kurilensis Kuroda, 1924; Mus orii Kuroda, 1924; Mus yonakuni Kuroda, 1924; Mus albula Minouchi, 1928; Mus kambei Kishida and Mori, 1931; Mus tokagii Kishida and Mori, 1931; Mus yamashinai Kuroda, 1934; Mus longicauda Mori, 1939; Mus kuro Kuroda, 1940.
* Mus musculus bactrianus (Blyth, 1846) was originally described as Mus bactrianus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus gerbillinus Blyth, 1853; Mus theobaldi Blyth, 1853; Mus gentilulus Thomas, 1919.
* Mus musculus brevirostris (Waterhouse, 1837) was originally described as Mus brevirostris by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus abbottii Waterhouse, 1837; Mus parvulus Tschudi, 1844; Mus azoricus Schinz, 1845; Mus mollissimus Dehne, 1855; Mus nattereri Fitzinger, 1867; Mus flavescens Barrett-Hamilton, 1896; Mus jalapae Allen and Chapman, 1897; Mus caoccii Krausse, 1920; Mus far Cabrera, 1921; Mus percnonotus Moulthrop, 1942.
* Mus musculus praetextus (Brants, 1827) was originally described as Mus praetextus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus gentilis Brants, 1827; Mus rebudia Loche, 1867; Mus pallesceus Heuglin, 1877; Mus candidus Laurent, 1937.
* Mus musculus spicilegus (Petényi, 1882) was originally described as Mus spicilegus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus acervator Petényi, 1882; Mus acervifex Petényi, 1882; Mus canicularius Petényi, 1882; Mus caniculator Petényi, 1882; Mus sergii Valch, 1927.
* Mus musculus spretus (Lataste, 1883) was originally described as Mus spretus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus hispanicus Miller, 1909; Mus lusitanicus Miller, 1909; Mus mogrebinus Cabrera, 1911; Mus lynesi Cabrera, 1923; Mus rifensis Cabrera, 1923.
* Mus musculus manchu (Thomas, 1909) was originally described as Mus wagneri manchu by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus yesonis Thomas, 1928; Mus takayamai Kuroda, 1938. 
* Mus musculus orientalis (Cretzschmar, 1826) was originally described as Mus orientalis by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give one synonym for that subspecies: Mus vignaudii Prévost and des Murs, 1845.
* Mus musculus tytleri (Blyth, 1859) was originally described as Mus tytleri by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give no synonyms for that subspecies.
* Mus musculus urbanus (Hodgson, 1845) was originally described as Mus urbanus by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus dubius Hodgson, 1845; Mus viculorum Anderson, 1878.
* Mus musculus wagneri (Eversmann, 1848) was originally described as Mus wagneri by the author. Schwarz & Schwarz give the following synonyms: Mus major Severtzow, 1873; Mus tokmak Severtzow, 1873; Mus pachycercus Blassford, 1875; Mus bicolor Tichomirov and Kashkarov, 1889; Mus gansuensis Satunin, 1902; Mus mongolium Thomas, 1908; Mus severtzowi Kashkarov, 1922; Mus oxyrrhinus Kashkarov, 1922; Mus decolor Argyropulo, 1933; Mus bieni Young, 1934.
Note that all subspecies given here were originally described as true species, except Mus musculus manchu!
from Schwarz & Schwarz, 1943 The wild and commensal stocks of the house mouse Mus musculus Linnaeus Journal of Mammalogy, pp. 59-72  
Elatrin (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Subspecies

message: I have a question that hopefully someone can answer for me, my roommate just caught a rather small mouse in our apartment (by catch I mean he actually caught it humanely, not in a trap), he now is keeping it in a large box in our room as our pet. Is there a significant risk of disease from having him around here? What kind of disease? Would people advise release? Thanks for any help!
:Don't know about the disease, but I do know that I wouldn't be happy if someone grabbed me by the neck and put me in a box. Cheers, AxelBoldt 22:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I dont see a need to merge. There are lot of data on each of the lab strains. we should have separate articles on each of them. --Dr.saptarshi 07:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There are probably lots of articles of strains of lab mice on Wikipedia already. This article could use a list of those in the end, though. // habj 09:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Also don't see need to merge. A link from house mouse with a short summary referring to the full article on BL6 would be better. Jasu 13:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think it is a good idea either, and since it's obviously not going to reach consensus, I'll go ahead and remove the merge tags. —Celithemis 23:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion for merge suggestion for C57BL/6

message: how many are born in mice litter?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.72.237.153 (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The litter sizes of mice vary considerably, average is around 5-7 but can be up to 15 or more. Acgarretson (talk) 21:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mice 

message: What is more redundant than a Subgenus? The Species is very arguably the real Subgenus, as it is always the full Genus and not the Sub- that is the Genus Taxon at the front of a binomial for a Species, or for that matter the trinomial for a Variety/Subspecies, or the quadennomial for an Infraspecies/Race. (Even if these terms aren't regarded as synonymous, I still keep seeing them in various places used one or the other depending what species is being further divided, which is different from one being above the other.) Anyway, I get yelled at for including Domain, which I'm pretty sure was recently elevated to a major rank just like Kingdom and the others below it, and here I see a Subgenus in a Taxobox. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 19:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The subgenus here is directly above the taxon discussed, and therefore can be included. Ucucha 23:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most other Articles that discuss individual Species stop at Genus rank, aside from the Species-level taxon discussed. Given how binomials work, the fact remains that a Subgenus is never needed for reference. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most genera don't have subgenera. Use of the subgenus here provides additional context (the subgenera of Mus are quite distinctive). Ucucha 01:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Priorities, people: Subgenus but no Domain?  

message: instead of:
:House mice consume and contaminate food meant for humans, pets, livestock, or other animals. In addition, they often cause considerable damage to structures and property. They can transmit pathogens that cause diseases such as salmonellosis, a form of food poisoning.
how about:
:House mice consume and contaminate food, pet food and animal feed. In addition, they often cause considerable agricultural and property damage. They also transmit disease causing pathogens and parasites.
i simply found the original text a bit wordy and redundant. Vinithehat (talk) 05:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  wordy gurdy 

message: Deleted what initially appeared to be suspicious content about mice as carriers of nasty cooties, with a footnote link that had no text except for another numbered hyperlink, said link ultimately leading to an exterminator's sales page.  One good thing came of the ruse: I registered with Wikipedia to edit, after years of merely reading.Lala Catnip (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia is NOT a marketing platform

message: The section Mice as an invasive species finishes 'The estimated 700,000 mice on the island kill a total of over one million bird chicks per year'.  This seemed rather a lot of deaths to me, but on checking the reference given, I can find no estimates of mice population or the number of chicks killed.  I propose to delete this sentence unless there is a reference supplied. DrChrissy (talk) 12:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Is [[Mice as an invasive species]] accurate?

message: The latest changes to this article reverse previous statements, i.e. 'Males reach sexual maturity at about eight [previously six] weeks and females at about six [previously eight] weeks, but both can breed as early as five weeks.'  Neither version has a citation or link.  Surely this is a case where the information should be verified - whichever is correct should be allowed to remain. DrChrissy (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction

message: I'm not convinced of the utility of the T-haplotype section - it is overly complex and too specific compared to the rest of the article. I'd like to remove it but wondered what other people think? Sarahburge (talk) 10:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: T-haplotype section

message: I have deleted the sentence on narcotization being necessary before physical methods of euthanasia.  This is for two reasons.  First, this is not true in the UK (and probably other countries).  Second, the cited web page states 'Physical methods of euthanasia, for example cervical dislocation or decapitation, can be performed without prior narcotization only if scientifically justified in the Animal Study Proposal and approved by the Animal Care and Use Committee.'__DrChrissy (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentence on euthanasia deleted

message: I propose that this article is split into two, i.e. House mouse and Laboratory mouse.  There seems to be sufficient information for seperate articles, and very good reasons for considering them seperately (even though they are the same species).  This has already been done for Rat and Laboratory rat.  It might also then be possible to merge the information for the different strains into Laboratory mouse, but this is a discussion for later.  So, should the article be split?__DrChrissy (talk) 18:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into [[House mouse]] and [[Laboratory mouse]] 

message: This article seems to be putting too much emphasis on the fact that "Mice are ... amongst the closest relatives of humans other than lagomorphs, treeshrews, flying lemurs and other primates".  It makes more of a mention of it than the rodent article does, which would seem to be a more relevant place to make the comparison.  Is there any particular reason for making such a big deal of it?  I assumed the article would do on to explain the significance of this (e.g. relevence to using mice as lab animals), but I didn't see anything about that.Iapetus (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  All one big happy 
family
 clade... 

message: The diversity of alleles increases in offspring from multiply mated females than those from singly mated females. 
Thonhauser, K. E., Thob, M., Musolf, K., Klaus, T., Penn, D. J. 2014. Multiple paternity in wild house mice (Mus musculus musculus): effects on offspring genetic diversity and body mass. Ecology and evolution. 4: 200–209.
The proper citation will need to be added to this on the Article page - currently it is listed as a link to the abstract, but the full article citation is neededEvol&Glass (talk) 23:11, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Polyandry

message: Hello all, I am currently in the process of doing research on polygamy in the house mouse. Below are just four of my preliminary sources. Feel free to give me suggestions of anything you think I should take out, or on any major articles I should use that I currently do not have. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
1. Dobson, F. S., and Baudoin, C. (2002). Experimental tests of spatial association and kinship in monogamous mice (Mus spicilegus) and polygynous mice (Mus musculus domesticus). Can. J. Zool. 80, 980–986.
2. Szenczi, P., Bánszegi, O., Groó, Z. and Altbäcker, V. (2012), Development of the Social Behavior of Two Mice Species With Contrasting Social Systems. Aggr. Behav., 38: 288–297. doi: 10.1002/ab.21431
3. Firman, R. C. and Simmons, L. W. (2010), EXPERIMENTAL EVOLUTION OF SPERM QUALITY VIA POSTCOPULATORY SEXUAL SELECTION IN HOUSE MICE. Evolution, 64: 1245–1256. doi: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2009.00894.x
4. Klemme, I. & Firman, R. C. 2013: Male house mice that have evolved with sperm competition have increased mating duration and paternity success. Anim. Behav. 85, 751—758.  
Pubh101 (talk) 02:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The section looks OK but, as a rule, you should use your sandbox for rough drafts rather than putting them in mainspace articles. Richerman   (talk) 15:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree.  The alternative is to create a sandbox for the article (House mouse/sandbox), but the same thinking applies. Either way, other editors could have addressed the problems such as referencing style before the problems have hit the mainspace article.DrChrissy (talk)
Hey,  might want to add if increasing male fitness also increase in reproduction from that specific male? Sluology (talk) 03:55, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Polygamy

message: I rephrased some wordy sentences, edited some structural errors, and rearranged sections. I also added the link to the word, inbreeding depression, in order to clarify the meaning of it for the readers. 
For the paternity confusion, it will be more helpful to put information about the process of confusion of mice in order to be clear how polyandry cause confusion. In addition, it would be more clear to explain what kind of conflict there is where you said “there is conflict when multiple sets of gametes are present intrauterine in female house mouse [...]”  The overall general information of polyandry is good, but it would be better if more details about paternity confusion and intrauterine Insemination (evolutionary consequences of polyandrous house mice) are added. Jihyek13 (talk) 03:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments for polyandry section 

message: After we eliminated the overlap between the polygamy and polyandry sections, our information regarding the evolutionary results of polyandrous behavior flows really well. I appreciated you mentioning polygyny in your section to help steer your topic towards the male aspect, leaving my section on polyandry focusing on the female aspect. Shannon.tai (talk)
While I was researching sperm competition in male mating behavior, I found additional information that I added to your article: “The competitive aspect of insemination increases the frequency of polyandrous events and fertilizations. Polyandry has evolved to increase reproductive success.” I also added the proper citation for these two sentences. Shannon.tai (talk)
Evo1995 (talk)Comments added by EVO1995Evo1995 (talk)
Over all, the polygamy section was an interesting addition to the article regarding mating behavior. Since my species had low rates of polygamy it was informational to read about polygamous relationships in animals, in this case the house mice. The section added was easy to follow, but you could add more details regarding mating behavior and evolutionary changes within the house mice. 
	
I changed the sentence structure, “shows behaviors characteristic of mate-defence polygyny" to "shows characteristics of mate-defence polygyny in behaviour." Moreover, I changed "...with pups and are less likely and slower to retrieve pups” to "less likely and slower to retrieve pups" because "and" was redundant in the sentence. Also, the last sentence was a run-on, so added a period and a transition. Lastly, I created a new heading as the author introduces behavioral and evolutionary consequences by the polygamous behavior observed in these mice. 
I believe sexual selection plays a role in promoting genetic diversity within house mice. Since sperm competition increases alongside male fitness. Maybe you can find an article discussing sexual selection in greater detail, of how the female is attracted to more fit mice or if male mice size has affected males to reproduce more litter and express higher rates of polygamous behaviour.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evo1995 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on Polygamous Behaviour 

message: In response to Sluology, thanks for your edits! Now, as far as inbreeding depression is concerned, I know that Shannon addresses that in her polyandry section, so I feel that if I also did, it might be a little redundant. Therefore, for the moment, I'm not going to address it, since once again, I feel Shannon does a good job doing that exact thing. In response to if increasing male fitness leads to increase in reproduction from that male, I feel that the last couple sentences of my section address that issue, but in the opposite way. Increasing male fitness doesn't lead to increased reproduction, but increased reproductive success, which results from the polygamous mouse mating for longer periods of time, leads to increased fitness.
In response to Evo1995, Thank you also for your edits! In response to your concerns, I have all the major effects on behavior and evolutionary changes, but I am trying to find more. Once I do find more however, I will add them to article where they best fit! As far as sexual selection is concerned, or the female attraction to fit mice, I will try to find articles going into more detail on sexual selection in house mice, but I will need to discuss any info found with Shannon first, as the sexual selection part will be on mostly the female side, and therefore will probably fit better into her polyandry section. I have no found an article on if male size affects their litter production. Litter production is affected by sperm competition, which will change the characteristics of the sperm, not the mouse's body itself, but if I come across an article that says differently, I will add it. 
In response to Evol&Glass, I took out the unnecessary words at the beginning of the section. I also feel that I worded the beginning to more clearly describe what is meant by behaviors characteristic of mate-defense polygyny. I didn't know if you wanted me to explain what infanticide was, or why it happens, or why communal nursing leads to less, but I explained why communal nursing leads to less, and I feel that Shannon explains why it happens pretty well within her polyandry section. To explain why paternal investment is lower in polygamous mice, I added the fact that they spend more time involved in sexual competition. I did reword the sentence to say females who mate with multiple males tend to produce more offspring and I combined it with another sentence to flow better, and also kept the fitness aspect in there. I also reworded the next part to say sperm competition favors males with faster, more motile sperm in greater numbers, but also kept mention of the fitness aspect. Overall, I feel that I still need to meet with Shannon.tai to really make this the best it can be by ironing out all the overlaps.  
Pubh101 (talk) 11:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: In Response

message: I clarified what exactly polyandry is because I was a little confused when I read the article at first. There were also many repetitive statements that can be removed to simplify and make the text flow better. I removed some sentences that repeated just how common polyandrous behavior is in house mice. The last two paragraphs of the Polyandry section should be combined and simplified because they both deal with the females mating with non-related males. I went ahead and combined the paragraphs, rearranged some things, and removed repetitive statements. Overall this section is very informative, feel free to simplify the section further because I felt as if the information was being dragged on and repeated.
Spreetycakes (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for Polygamy and Polyandry Sections 

message: The image showing the distribution of the house mouse appears to show they do not exist in central Africa or a large area of the South Americas - is this correct? DrChrissy (talk) 15:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of distribution 

message: I didn't even notice there are two different reds until somebody pointed it out to me and even now I'm having a really hard time figuring out which areas are which kind of red. Why not pick two colours that are a bit further apart?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.146.117 (talk) 05:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Just had a look and I totally agree.  I would change it, but I have no idea how to. DrChrissy (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour choice of range map is really bad 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article says 'The weight is typically 40–45 g (1.4–1.6 oz).' Really? I think that's about twice the true value. See here and here. I suggest changing the weight range to something like 15-35. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 19:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How heavy is a house mouse? 

message: Hi!
I need a little bit of help stopping this editor who keeps replacing the article with 'RAT! Treated like dirt by many admins since 2016 DEAD RAT! GET LOST YOU DEAD RAT!'
Thanks.BlacknoseDace (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disgruntled Wikipedian 

message: An earlier version [] had the colour as "They vary in color from white to grey to light brown to black", this was changed to "In the wild they vary in color from light to dark agouti (light to dark brown) but domesticated fancy mice and laboratory mice are produced in many colors..."
I found the current agouti (gene) page completely meaningless in this context, but presumably it said something like "Agouti is a type of fur coloration in which each hair displays alternating bands of dark and light pigmentation" [] at the time of the edit.  
I am going to simplify the description to "vary in color from grey and light brown to black" (wild Mus musculus tend to be just grey-brown in New Zealand ([])).  The 'agouti' reference might well be right, but probably too much detail for the brief outline description here, but I don't have a reference for their 'natural' colour, so if any body does it would be appreciated.  --Tony Wills (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't think of a better way to handle it, so restored the agouti colouration page, and added back a link. --Tony Wills (talk) 08:20, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour 

message: The discussion on taxonomy and the clad diagram (added 19 Nov 2013, and apparently unchanged since) might be appropriate as an OPENING to a section in an article on rodents in general.  Here, I think it's out of place.  In this article, one should expect a discussion of how they fit into the rodent family, specifically.  It might be kind of cool (or perhaps, to some people, disturbing) to think that they are among the "closest relatives" to humans, but considering the level to which you have to climb to find the relationship, I don't think they're all that close. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm!  I just looked into things further, and discovered that the detail I've, uhm, objected to was added by a very highly respected Wikipedian who was also a career scientist of accomplishment, and who died--to my thinking, tragically young--in 2017; his Userpage is preserved as a memorial. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy, woefully inadequate--more suitable elsewhere 

message: It's utterly strange that the only thing going on in the "Genetics" header is a study about thyroid function, given that this is a sequenced model organism. 2603:7000:3300:344:28EF:5FCA:7266:DA88 (talk) 08:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics