Talk:Battle of the Mareth Line

message: Since the article now covers both Pugilist and Supercharge II, perhaps it should be renamed to "Battle of the Mareth Line". -- Hongooi 15:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. There's a group of articles that cover the same series of events - Operation Capri, Mareth Line and this. I intend to draw them together, perhaps in the Mareth Line article, with redirects, or possibly a new one ("Battle of the Mareth Line" is a possible title). Folks at 137 18:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article should be renamed the Battle of Marethline or the Battle of Mareth as above comment mentions that this is about Operation Pugilist & not Supercharge II. Since the Battle of Medenine article was initially Operation Capri and was changed I see no reason why this article shouldn't be. Shire Lord 15:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename?

message: Fn 16 does anyone know which book this relates to? Keith-264 (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it.Keith-264 (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brooks 

message: Please refer to the RS for usage, it's British for the Eighth Army, even the First Army was British, despite the II US Corps and the Vichy French turncoats.Keith-264 (talk) 10:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask the Vichy regime, recognised internationally after the Armistice which shot Free French prisoners as traitors. Keith-264 (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

text: That doesn't answer the fact that you're saying that Leclerc was a Turncoat, which implies he served Vichy at one point, which he did not, besides, do you have any sources that state any numbers on the amount of "Turncoats" that were present in the Leclerc Force VoltigeurFR(talk) 13:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Straw man, he was a rebel against Vichy. I'm bored with this. Keith-264 (talk) 15:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Where's the 'straw man' in this? VoltigeurFR(talk) 18:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  British 

message: The account of the battle is not precise – it seems relies heavily on Montgomery's memoirs, who are not accurate and are completely biased when minimising Italians efforts. Iin his memories, usually everytime something goes wrong for him, it’s always because of “Rommel” intervention or for Germans resistance; even at the Mareth line he states that – despite the fact it was Messe who engineered the resistance and directly commanded the counterattack of the German panzers, which were the only panzers left the 1st Italian Army had. Moreover, he seems to ignore – maybe conveniently… - that in fact there were the strongholds held by the Germans that crashed down after the first punch given by the 50 English division: strongholds “biancospino, Bosso e Betulla” held by the Germans were overrun, while the strongholds “larice and trifoglio” held by Italians (X and XI Bersaglieri) resisted the punch. The 21, after assessing that this was effectively the main punch, and after also the stronghold trifoglio was overrun, Messe decided to commit the 15 Panzers as well as ITALIAN infantry (Bersaglieri, GG FF, Black Skirt and some German infantry – but minority in numbers) for a counterattack. Borowietz, commader of the 15 Panzer, was informed of the plan the 21. The counterattack was carried out effectively by Messe.
Messe also had plan for a counterattack against Freyberg at El Hamma (moving forces from the Mareth line; as he was sure Montgomery would not have attacked again) before retreating to the second line at Akarit; but Von Armin and Supreme Commander denied him this chance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.252.96.14 (talk) 12:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See citations for sources.Keith-264 (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have sources for this?  If so please share them, and we may put them in article, or even draw up a consensus. Shire Lord  (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

text: NZOHKeith-264 (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Account of the Battle is not accurate 

message: An error message ("No value was provided for longitude") is displayed at Battle of the Mareth Line#Left hook due to the following wikitext which is missing the coordinates.

I guess the coordinates from Jebel Dahar need to be added but I'm hoping someone familiar with the topic will check what needs to be done. Thanks Keith-264! Johnuniq (talk) 22:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ve just added some coords, copied from the page of the mountains. No idea why the error only occurred now.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Possibly something to do with Wikidata – lots of changes to the name, as if pages were moved (but they weren't that I can see), in the last 24 hours. No idea how that would cause a problem, but I can’t see where else it was getting coords before.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember if I added that map but I wouldn't have known about adding coords if I copied a template without them.... Regards Keith-264 (talk) 23:06, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jebel Dahar 

message: Just shouting into the wind here __ this crops up a lot in World War 2 articles, possibly because they are translated from Romance languages. It’s pompous academese there, and worse here, except in case where it’s correctly used, ie an operation was planned but did not take place. If it happened please please please use past tense, please and thank youElinruby (talk) 21:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future pluperfect is not past tense 

message: If you have any reliable sources that call this an Allied victory, I suggest you list them here. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 13:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits