Talk:Portugal

message: In the Infobox, in the Establishment section, the date of the Restoration of Portuguese Independence is listed but the establishment of the Iberian Union, 60 years earlier, is not. I propose adding the date of the Iberian Union, 1580, creation or delete the Restoration date. Open to discuss this idea.Tuesp1985 (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with your suggestion. The lack of the aforementioned event (the Iberian Union) given its rather huge importance in the history of Portugal seems to nullify the purpose of the dates here listed for summarizing the long and complex history of this country. Since the Iberian Union is considered a turning point in terms of the decline of Portugal as a power and its consequent end also signified the abortion of the idea of a permanently unified peninsula under one state in the future (since nominally during the union they only shared the same monarch) i think it should be included as a means to better understand the succession of significant milestones that molded the history of the modern country of Portugal. Augustusrex1210 (talk) 06:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Augustusrex1210. Yes, I propose that it should be changed to something like this: Iberian Union 12 September 1580 – 1 December 1640.Tuesp1985 (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration/Iberian Union Infobox 

message: This page has way too much images crammed together. It's very messy and goes against style guides. 2A00:23C7:69C9:5101:B14B:DB0C:4660:C092 (talk) 18:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Way too many images 

message: This page should be improved based on England or Japan. It's a mess currently.  2A00:23C7:6989:2701:D45D:AEF4:E222:51BC (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to your "Way too Long" observation, how is it that individual biographies (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Bernstein) are even longer, yet contain no similar criticism? 2804:14C:6A:9449:D1C1:F422:127E:D3D2 (talk) 14:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: many biographies, mostly men but there are exceptions, come in for exactly the same criticism e.g. Napoleon used to be longer but has been trimmed. Bernstein is 10,000 words so it's perhaps been trimmed since you mentioned it. You're free to go on the talkpages of the biographies? Tom B (talk) 16:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Way too long  

message: Following the requests to organize and/or slim down the page, I propose the Government finance content to be moved to the Economy of Portugal page. The Economy content in the Portugal page already has a brief summary of the Government financial situation between 2010 and 2017.Tuesp1985 (talk) 23:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government finance content moved to Economy of Portugal page? 

message: I asked ChatGPT 4 to produce an outline
User: Write a detailed outline for a Wikipedia article on Portugal. Then asked "put that into wiki mark up"
=== Introduction ===
- Brief overview of Portugal
- Mention its geographical location in Europe
- Include a summary of key points covered in the article
=== Geography ===
- Location and borders of Portugal
- Regions and topography
- Major rivers, mountains, and natural features
=== History ===
- Prehistoric settlements
- Roman and Moorish influence
- Emergence as a kingdom
- Age of Discoveries
- Napoleonic Wars and the Peninsular War
- Transition to a republic
- Carnation Revolution
- Modern political history
=== Government and Politics ===
- Political system (e.g., semi-presidential republic)
- The head of state and head of government
- Political parties and elections
- Foreign relations and diplomacy
=== Economy ===
- Overview of Portugal's economy
- Key industries (e.g., agriculture, manufacturing, services)
- Trade and international relations
- Economic challenges and reforms
=== Culture ===
==== Language and Literature ====
- Portuguese language and dialects
- Literature and notable authors
==== Visual Arts ====
- Visual arts and famous artists
==== Music and Dance ====
- Music genres (e.g., Fado, Portuguese folk music)
- Dance forms and traditions
==== Cuisine ====
- Cuisine and popular dishes (e.g., bacalhau, pastéis de nata)
==== Festivals and Celebrations ====
- Festivals and celebrations
=== Landmarks and Tourism ===
- Prominent tourist destinations (e.g., Lisbon, Porto, Algarve)
- UNESCO World Heritage Sites
- Historical landmarks and architecture (e.g., Jerónimos Monastery, Tower of Belém)
- Natural attractions (e.g., Douro Valley, Azores, Madeira)
- Tourism statistics and industry
=== Demographics ===
- Population size and growth
- Ethnic groups and diversity
- Languages spoken
- Religion and religious practices
- Education and literacy rates
=== Education ===
- Educational system in Portugal
- Primary, secondary, and higher education
- Notable universities and research institutions
=== Sports ===
- Popular sports in Portugal (e.g., football, futsal)
- Successes in international competitions (e.g., UEFA European Championship)
- Notable athletes and sporting events
Bot structure with history expanded:
=== Geography ===
=== History ===
- Prehistoric settlements
- Roman and Moorish influence
- Emergence as a kingdom
- Age of Discoveries
- Napoleonic Wars and the Peninsular War
- Transition to a republic
- Carnation Revolution - Modern political history
=== Government and Politics ===
=== Economy ===
=== Culture ===
=== Landmarks and Tourism ===
=== Demographics ===
=== Education ===
=== Sports ===
They're similar, because ChatGPT uses Wikipedia, amongst other sources. But these outlines provide ideas, usually showing where the current structure is bloated e.g. history, Tom B (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure suggestions 

message: There are a lot of sentences beginning with "In [year]" which don't use a comma after that expression. Shouldn't it be used in English? Quite sure that's recommended, to say the least. Thanks, RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's recommended in American English, but this article appears to use British English which doesn't require it. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commas