Talk:Chakravarti (Sanskrit term)

message: The Chakravartin article already exists. The original Sanskrit word transliterates as that. Ref  Imc 16:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge into Chakravartin

message: Where are the reliable sources that use the term dharmic religions in the context of this article? Dharmic religions is a now deleted obscure neologism and should not be used throughout Wikipedia. a good alternative is Indian religions. The number of google scholar results for "Indian religions"+"Indian religion" is (45.600 + 84.200) while it is only (492+475) for "dharmic religions" +"dharmic religion". See Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_September_8. Andries 19:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable sources for the term [[dharmic religions]]?

message: Here, for example, Women in the Pure Land: Eshinni's View of Rebirth as Expressed in Her Letters the five hindrances are said to be the following:
sorry, I have been wrong, the correct term in this context is the five obstacles. And wrong again, it is the five obstructions.
Okay, footnote 21 says: "originally referred to as "five states"; for some reason it was translated into Chinese as "five obstructions". Nagata, "Transitions in Attitudes toward Women," 280.
Quotation from pages 11 and 12 of this text: 
:"It was argued by early sutras, in a somewhat circular fashion, that it was impossible for women to attain any of those states:
::One of the qualities of a wise person is that he knows that a female cannot become a ruler of the worlds of humans and gods.....He knows that it is not reasonable for a woman to become an arhat or truly enlightened one. He know that it is resonable for a man to become an arhat or truly enlightened one. He knows that it is not reasonable for a woman to become a Cakravartin king, Indra, Mara or a Brahma. 24"
::taken from the above mentioned book of Nagata:
As you can see, the name of those early sutras are not mentioned.
Here, for example WOMEN IN ZEN BUDDHISM: Chinese Bhiksunis in the Ch'an Tradition by Heng-Ching Shih it is said:
:The daughter of an official named Mu-jung was very interested in Buddhist teaching. She came to Wu-hsiang and said, "As a woman, I am not free in that I have the obstacles and The Five Hindrances. I am restricted by the female body. Now I come to you for the purpose of cutting off the source of transmigration [in the cycle of life and death]."
:Wu-hsiang then said, "Since you have the aspiration [to seek liberation], you are already a great 'man'.....Non-thought is non-male; non-thought is non-female."21
:As the story indicates, the woman had accepted the traditional image of women and the idea of the inferiority of the female body. To counteract this stereotyped misconception, Wu-hsiang pointed out that as soon as she had brought forth the aspiration for Enlightenment, she trancended the gender limitation. The realm of Enlightenment, which Wu-hsiang interpreted as non-thought, is neither male nor female.
Seems as if a woman had the obstacles plus The Five Hindrances.
P.S. In this text it is also said: "Women are said to have five obstacles, namely being incapable of becoming a Brahma King, `Sakra` , King `Mara` , Cakravartin or Buddha." I have inserted this quotation into the article.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.85.98 (talk) 11:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.203.73 (talk) 11:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The [[five hindrances]] 

message: *The Life of Buddha "Five days after the birth the name-giving ceremony was held to which a number of brāhmans were invited. All, except Koṇḍañña, foretold: either the child would be a great Emperor (Cakkavatti Rājā) or an Enlightened One, a Buddha. Koṇḍañña, however, said quite decisively that the boy would be a Buddha. The boy was given the name of Siddhattha, meaning one whose aim is accomplished."
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.10.229 (talk) 11:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
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text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.93.130 (talk) 22:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cakkavatti

message: *.Life of the Buddha (Part One) 3. The Naming Ceremony
"On the fifth day of his son's life, the king invited five wise men to witness the naming ceremony and to suggest a good name for the prince. The wise men examined the birthmarks of the prince and concluded, "The prince will be King of Kings if he wants to rule. If he chooses a religious life then he will become the Wisest — the Buddha."
The youngest of the five wise men, Kondanna, then said, "This prince will be the Buddha and nothing else."
Then the wise men gave him the name Siddhartha meaning "wish-fulfilled" or "one who has accomplished his goal"."
I still want to insert this story. How best?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.75.119 (talk) 11:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
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replies: text: I think it's great to include, but would need to be resolved with the Ashoka comment that implies it appears there. Right now Jainism and Buddhism are conflated in one section, maybe add a specific paragraph about Buddhist historical usage and mention the references to Asoka and the Buddha in contrast in some way? The content on women is suspect to me, and could be a separate paragraph. I've heard that, though don't have citations for, some scholars hold the view that things attributed to the buddha that denote women as obstructed in some way were added later by monastics and were not traceable all the way back to the time of the buddha. Wish I had a reference for that handy, because it would be nice to include in contrast. like "And scholar so-and-so believes that similar passages restricting women were added to the tritipaka centuries after the time of the buddha", etc... I have a hard time believing the Buddha really saw the sexes as ultimately different, even though culturally or relatively it may have been very restrictive for women at that time. Political corruption is my guess. - Owlmonkey (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Siddhartha Shakyamuni Buddha

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