Talk:Greystones

message: Could residents who have objections to changes in the town please not try and write with such ridiculous POV in this article. Here's some text I just had to edit out:
:...the council and developers are fools if they think the decent people of Greystones are in favour of it...:
:...which threatens to turn the area into some sort of cheaper version of Benidorm, with an excessive number of high-rise apartments, etc...:
Its really annoying to see Wikipedia in such a dreadful state, and I'd request for people to maintain objectivity.
Cheers
--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.14.67 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 24 February 2006
Perhaps the person (or persons) who keeps inserting this sentence:
:Both Greystones and Blackrock are seen as desirable places to live, but wits insist that the former is but a pale shadow of the latter.
would like to create an account at Uncyclopedia. That would be a better place for this "joke". And please don't assert, as has been done by email, that I don't get it. It's irrelevant whether any contributer or reader gets the joke; the point is that this isn't the place for jokes, particularly when the statement, taken literally, is so clearly in violation of the NPOV policy. 
If someone cares enough to find a way to insert this piece back into the article without being so apparently POV then it might well add character to the article. But please don't put it back unless you can find such a way. —Rory ☺ 18:24, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
These sentences I deleted are either tendentious or outright false.
The number of submissions from outside Greystones is currently unknown. The Department of Marine says the marina will do nothing to stop coastal erosion. I'm a resident and I'd prefer the harbor reverted to natural beach than any development of this kind happened. (You may or may not agree with me, but my opinion disproves the statement that "all residents" want some kind of development). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.231.53.223 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 23 May 2006
* Sorry about that, it was a bit of a stupid revert on my part... I saw the anon IP and just made assumptions. :)  Jhonan talk 13:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the guidelines for edits and discussion ask that contribs be signed. Hmmm... So, 86.40.14.67, and those like you, why have you not got a user name instead of an IP address? And why don't you sign your contribs?
Bwmiller 12:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marina, Overpopulation and other complaints

message: Why have Joe Sweeney, Gordon, Mrs. Mooney, etc. been removed from the "Famous Residents" section? They are certainly very well-known within the community. Does the fact that they are unknown outside of Greystones disqualify them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.162.201 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 10 April 2006
here here, bring back our famous residents —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.185.46 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 26 April 2006
:How are they famous? Well known yes, but famous NO. Josie from Supervalue, come on will ya. 83.141.80.130 (Talk)
::Before you add people you consider famous to Wikipedia, I suggest you first read this Wikipedia guide page on notability to see if your people pass the basic test of notability. Unfortunately, these Greystones additions are not famous people though they may be local characters and known locally. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and these people will likely never be regarded as famous enough for any encyclopaedia. If you wish to contribute, Wikipedia will be happy to see constructive work so that others can benefit from greater encyclopaedic knowledge about Greystones or other articles that you have verifiable information about. ww2censor 03:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous People 

message: As the current debate seems to be centered over one paragraph, I've copied it here as there does still seem to be problems with uncited claims:
* "Currently the most topical issue ..." - looks okay enough, possibly better not to say "most topical", why not "A major topical issue"?
* "some 6000+ submissions, with over half coming from outside the Greystones Delgany area" - are there sources for a) the 6000 submission figure, and b) that half are outside the area? If not, better to remove unverified claims.
* "Those in favour look forward ..." - citation? "those in favour" sound worringly like weasal words
* "The coastal erosion will also be much reduced by the plan" - citation? According to whom/what study?
*  "All inhabitants are in favour.." citation? "All inhabitants" needs a WP:RS to avoid being another weasal word
Regards, MartinRe 11:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job Martin on revision of the topical issue and the external links. Let's hope the vandals stay off it, otherwise we shall have to protect it for registered users only as the same people keep adding the same non-notables over and over again. ww2censor 15:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers, nice to be noticed :) I don't think protection will be necessary, as relatively speaking, this is getting very few edits, well within the limit of being reverted by other editors.  It would be nice to have a source for the 6,000 submissions, though. I felt it was reasonable to leave in for the moment as from the searches I did several blogs came up with similar figures, but as blogs aren't reliable sources I didn't list them as a source, but it did give me enough confidence that a source could be found, so left it in, but uncited for the moment. Regards, MartinRe 19:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 6,000 does seem like the number and this Irish Independent citation  (you might need to register {free} to view it) seems like a reasonable one as does this one . Hope that helps clarify the number of submissions. ww2censor 01:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect. (You can see the figure without registering by going to http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?issue_id=13862 which shows the headlines, from which I got the publication date and verified the figure. I had found the second link myself, but as it described itself as a blog, I was wary of putting it in as the only source. Regards, MartinRe 10:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice one! - Thanks for finally sorting out that piece. Jhonan talk 10:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation checking 

message: As I mentioned here, and on the Irish Wikipedian's page, I think this page really needs some protection from anonymous users. Some of you have been reverting repeated vandalism here as i have too. I would do it but am not sure how, so maybe you guys know better. Don't you think it is about time we make this vandalism more difficult? ww2censor 01:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think semi-protection is necessary at this stage. The recent edits have been easily reverted by several editors, and are infrequent enough that the benefits are outweighed by the downside of stopping all new/anon editors contributing. Plus, this has been ongoing over several weeks, and as protection is only applied for a limited time, it would only hide the problem for a day or two. If you want to apply for page protection, you can request it at WP:RPP but I would be surprised if it was done, for the above reasons.  The alternatives to protection (other editors reverting) seem to be working well enough, and the additions are only done once a day, so not a big issue, in the scheme of things. Regards, MartinRe 08:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regular vandalism 

message: As it stands, it reads :-
"Greystones has experienced a huge increase in its population since the 1970s, with the construction of several large housing estates. As of the national census of 2002, Greystones had a population of 7,315, making it the third largest town in County Wicklow. There is currently large-scale construction at Charlesland, including new housing and retail developments just south of the town with over 1,000 dwelling units. Preliminary 2006 Census figures show a small decrease of 209 in Greystones' population leaving it at 7,106. 
Indeed, the population of Greystones has expanded steadily over the last 25 years. Some residents are concerned that over-population may result, and the town and its surrounding landscapes could be damaged."
So has the population of Greystones "expanded steadily over the last 25 years", (a timeframe starting in 1982, which I'm pretty sure is factually wrong), or has it experienced "a huge increase since the 1970's" ? (The 2 phrases are not synonymous). Turning to wikipedia to resolve this puzzle, I find the population has in fact declined between 2002 and 2006.BUT there were 1000 dwellling units built in Charlesland (so they must all be empty, or something). 
Snarkiness aside, I'd go ahead and change it to something better, but I'm not entirely sure of the explanation of the census decline. The Charlesland dwellings clearly exist, and are largely not empty. I suspect that Charlesland isn't regarded by the CSO as being in Greystones, but don't have time to research it now. Anyone around who's better informed and could confirm this ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alanperkins (talk • contribs) 05:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The text about population growth doesn't make a lot of sense and is inconsistent... 

message: Concerns expressed about the figures given for Greystones' population have not been addressed by the page bosses. Why not? The population figures are plain wrong! (They've been selected from the wrong CSO table, thus betraying the ignorance of the authors, who do not appear to have signed their work...)
Take a look at the previous topic on population for some clues, lads & lassies...
Bwmiller 15:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly am a resident, I parked the trailer permanently some years back! It does surprise me to hear that Charlesland is considered by anyone not to be part of Greystones though....never heard that one before. It is, after all, a mere few hundred meters from Greystones Main Street. (Sarah777 22:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good edit. Don't go; sensible folk are rare enough here! (Sarah777 20:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures are plain wrong = untrue = inaccurate = misleading 

message: I really think this section has to be toned down a lot. A couple of points - in a town of 14,569 people, 6,200 complaints does not constitute a majority, and it is not encyclopedic to say that "its seems to". But further to this point, I'd like to mention this link , which quotes an Irish Times article saying that "many of the 5,500 submissions had come from outside Greystones".
Secondly, this sentence: The Board requested the developers to make certain changes. However, it appears that the developer and county council ignored a number of these recommendations. I think it requires either a "citation needed" stamp, or to simply be deleted. Schcambo 11:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality of marina section

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