Talk:Moy Lin-shin

message: Greetings. The changes I made at the Moy article were in aid of the policy of citing sources and the rules of reporting provenance, not POV. It isn't saying he didn't study them, but it is saying that he is the only source for the claim we have now. Unless there is a citation that you can provide from outside of Moy's school that says he studied those arts, and one that can be independently checked, we have to put in the qualifier that Moy himself was the source for the statement. So you see, we have a pretty rigorous threshold when it comes to publishing information. You can say things, but it has to be clear where they come from. The same for other things like that. We can say that Moy's school is growing in popularity, but to impute that it was founded because of Moy's altruism and compassion is stuff for an advertisement, not an encyclopaedia article. If you look at the bio articles for the other T'ai Chi teachers, you'll see that they are pretty dry when it comes to stuff like that. Remember, it says at the bottom of the Editing screen: If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. I hope this helps. Regards, Fire Star 23:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moy 

message: This article is misleading and has the wrong tone.
For more correct information, please go to the official Taoist Tai Chi site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.48.49.146 (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading information 

message: I have added a citations needed tag, as this article has no citations whatsoever to support its comic book story.  (RookZERO 19:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: The recently added references surely could use some scrutiny. This one: "Scrivener, Leslie. "Marshalling praise for art of Tai Chi", The Toronto Star, Sep 09, 2007" mentions in the article one David Draper. This person mentions the number of TTCS-locations in The Netherlands. He is quoted saying that when he left The Netherlands there were 40 locations. A simple verification (with www.archive.org), using the website of the Netherlands branch over the past years, gives the following numbers: in the fall (around September) 2001:25, 2002:29, 2003:25, 2004:24, 2005:26, 2006:27, and February 2008:31. Clearly nowhere near 40. Through another source I found the other number where this man was quoted was not correct either (i.e. more than one). This person may be trying to boast his own efforts, however, it puts the article in doubt. --VanBurenen (talk) 23:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to be listed as just a "general" ref and not a paragraph citation, so if it is of doubtful accuracy or value it can be removed! - Ahunt (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Although I agree with your method in genreal, the counts just depends on what is being counted.  Your count just looks at the first level of towns. To be accurate in saying how many locations you would have to go to the next level and count each location within the town.ZaphodSegovia (talk) 16:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: In doing a quick count i see 41, pretty accurateZaphodSegovia (talk) 16:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you give the URL, http://??, I would like to count myself. --VanBurenen (talk) 20:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Sure - But i thought you already counted? As a caveat i do not read the language - so....  http://www.taoisttaichi.nl/leslocaties/beginners.htm#m1
I just counted again and came up with 38.  I belive though these are just beginner class locations, there may be more for continuing classes and if it is like other places many other places are not listed on line. My guess is that 40 is an understatement. Either case it is certainly not much of an exaggeration if that is you issue.ZaphodSegovia (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The ones you counted are classes that are about to start up early 2008. This person David Draper has nothing to do with these. Existing classes from 2007 and earlier are on http://www.taoisttaichi.nl/leslocaties.htm. The newspaper talks about "groups in 40 cities". In order to make it look good on a resume it is of course most advantageous to include all possible variations, whatever they may be. Also by making it sound that he has something to do with all the classes started by others of course looks good on his resume. Moy Lin Shin reputedly did not like egos. Alas, he passed away. --VanBurenen (talk) 09:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite true, when Moy saw that an instructor was becoming too self-important he would invite them to become a beginner student once again. Many quit because they didn't understand the lesson. - Ahunt (talk) 12:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Unless you know Draper personally - it sounds to me like he has been ther 20 years and over that time spawned the 38-40 places, not directly perhaps but thru students moving on.  THey just seem to be facts.  Maybe i am missing something else. I understand the ego comment - it is very intersting - were both of you teachers?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZaphodSegovia (talk • contribs) 15:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I taught out in western Canada for seven years. Don't know Draper, though. - Ahunt (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
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