Talk:MV Queen of the North

message: Perhaps this article should be split into two -- the first article for a profile of the ship itself and its history before the sinking and a second article for the sinking and aftermath.
Canuckle 23:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split this Article?

message: someone should mention that "Fourth Officer Carl Lilgert and deckhand Karen Bricker were on the bridge and didn't know how to dim the brightness on the global positioning system display to see better out the window, so they turned it off." -- http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2006/11/20/queen-north-affidavits.html
I'm just not exactly sure where to fit it in. -- Khromatikos 07:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New surfacing information

message: I was in a little debate with myself if we should use "is" or "was" in the first paragraph, what form do we use -- Tawker 00:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally we would use was, unless she is subsequently raised out of water and resumed service. SYSS Mouse 00:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well considering that sonar profiles and survivor accounts say the ship is in 2 peices its highly unlikely its going to float again, thanks for the swift reply -- Tawker 01:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Entire article needs to be copyedited to generally put into past tense.  Also it could be updated as to status and outcome of the various legal actions. Casey (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct form do we use "is" or "was"

message: I was doing a report about this ship for school, and lo and behold! It sunk today! What are the odds? Holy shit!
:And speaking of coincidence, the people from BC Ferries were going to the government today to ask for more money for ferries. I do believe they got the money. V.Malloy 03:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's so coincidental, that it's almost planned... *gasp*. Congrats on picking an awesome topic, heh. Kareeser|Talk! 17:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn you, Gordon Campbell!! <grin> Fishhead64 06:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy crap! 

message: From looking at a Canadian Hydrographic Service nautical chart of the Wright Sound area north of Gil Island, the most extreme depths I can find are in the 250 fathom range... this works out to roughly 450 metres, not 750 metres as the article quotes other media sources.  Plasma east 04:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depth of Wright Sound 

message: There are questions on the exact location of the grounding.  Where do the coordinates provided in the article come from?  They appear to just be from the route on the map, nearest Gil Island.  However, there are no charted rocks anywhere in Wright Sound.
01:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact coordinates 

message: The article should mention the "Queen of Chilliwack" and the "Queen of Prince Rupert" as the other two long-distance ferries on those routes.  And that they have to somehow pick up the slack.  The coastal and island communities depend on the ferries for everything from food to medicines to transport -- there are almost no roads there.   .  -- Mareklug talk (who travelled on the Queen of Chilliwack with his rental car in summer of 1997 from Port Hardy to Bella Coola Magical Mystery Tour of Summer 1997) 14:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The two other ferries that travel the northern B.C. routes 

message: I suggest the "Previous incidents" section describing the incident of a different ship on a different route is not really suitable for an article titled "Queen of the North".  This topic is covered well under the "Accidents" section of the BC Ferries article, so a link to previous incidents might be more suitable. --Ds13 18:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the article. CBC News in their main article included a quotation from the CEO about the two collisions, so I cited that. Stearnsbrian 02:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: BC Ferries president was on CBC radio this evening...BCF has requested 40 minutes of video from CBCTV after numbers of crew and passengers are claiming adamantly that they saw the couple on land and other boats after the crash. Still sounds like a decent possibility that something else happened to them. --Kickstart70·Talk 03:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: We don't need to change this. Although two passengers seem to have disappeared, the CEO still said that nobody died. At best, we may need to qualify the quotation.Stearnsbrian 03:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous incidents 

message: Apparently new navigation software was in use.  Has this same software been installed on the other ferries the company owns? Toby Douglass 14:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFIAK each class of ship has a unique system of control software, I'll see what I can find though the only way to find the info might be OR which makes it un wikipediable -- Tawker 07:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software 

message: M/V al-Salam Boccaccio 98 has "M/V" in the page title. Should this too? --Grocer 17:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does M/V mean? There is a link to the ship prefix page, but this prefix isn't listed. Also, BC Ferries doesn't seem to use any prefixes for their ships, so maybe we should follow their lead? Stearnsbrian 20:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MV means Marine Vessel.Anarchist42 20:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard BC Ferries use Motor Vessel in their on board safety announcments though nothing on the website etc -- Tawker 02:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually M/V does not mean Marine Vessel.  It means either Motor Vessel or Merchant Vessel.  The first meaning is listed on the Ship prefix page linked to from the article's "M/V" link -- it just does not have a slash in the table where it is listed with all the other prefixes (though the introduction's text does say that a slash is optionally used).  The second meaning (Merchant Vessel) is listed here: Glossary of U.S. Naval Abbreviations.  Incidentally, both are listed in Wikipedia's disambiguation article MV. -- Mareklug talk 08:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move page?

message: For future reference, please keep in mind that when referring to a ship one should use the pronoun "she", not "it".
:Is that modern usage? --Grocer 07:09, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I'm not the poster, in my experience working as a dockmaster on the Pacific coast of Canada -- absolutely. Only the most inexperienced green boaters use 'it', it seems. --Kickstart70·Talk 15:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think named ships use "she" while unnamed ship use "it". As new (big one) ships are named and christiened (which has a religious background) so it uses special grammar rule. SYSS Mouse 04:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "She", not "it"

message: I have a few more screencaps of the ship on the bottom and one more (worse in quality IMHO) shot of it sinking, I'm concerned we might be breaking fair use doctorine if we use multiple pictures.  Any opinions? -- Tawker 02:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.cbc.ca/bc/story/bc_ferry-photo20060328.html?ref=rss is a link that has a nice still photo of the one. -- Tawker 05:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Courtesy: Transportation Safety Board of Canada - does Canada copyright the works of government bodies? --Grocer 19:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and it's likely that CBC has altered the image for website copy, so it can't be used in this context. --Kickstart70·Talk 19:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even better, I've posted a link to the TSB video in the links section.  Why can't the TSB make their website easier to search!! -- Tawker 08:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I noticed that rumours spread of sex on the bridge of the "Queen of the North" at the time of the sinking. Granted, this may be stupid gossip spread about by the tabloids back in 2007, but was there any substance to those rumours? 198.151.130.69 (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should at least refer to the rumours as they are certainly relevant to the incident. There doesn't seem to be any refutation of this being a possible cause for 2 people being totally unaware of the turn being missed - especially since this was in a narrow passage with precise turns required.Tony (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex? 

message: This section reads as though the vessels dispatched were the ones rescuing the passenger, more than the people of Harley Bay who who were the rescuers; even though they're mentioned the emphasis here is on the military eqpt dispatched....none arrived on teh scene until long after everyone was rescued and in Hartley Bay:
:"A large number of small fishing and recreational vessels from Hartley Bay were the first on the scene to answer the distress call, arriving in a fleet of small watercraft in the dead of night to pick up survivors. Joint Rescue Coordination Centre Victoria tasked Canadian Coast Guard vessels CCGS Sir Wilfrid Laurier, CCGC Point Henry, CCGS W.E. Ricker, CCGC Kitimat II and the CCGS Vector, along with 2 CH-149 Cormorant helicopters and 1 CC-115 Buffalo aircraft from the 442 Transport and Rescue Squadron at CFB Comox to the scene of the sinking."
It should state on the end of that when all those dispatched got there; the people of Hartley Bay deserve more credit here.....I remember also a news reporter asking one of the Hartley Bay women, in the gym converted into a shelter, "what did you do for them?" and the woman replied, kind of stunned as if it were common sense and how could anyone not get what she softly replied "we comforted them".....that can't go in the article, but for a small, impoverished community to set off in rough water in the middle of the night and take in people when they could barely afford to feed themselves was a big part of this story.Skookum1 (talk) 02:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  rescue by Gitga'ata/Harley Bay people 

message: the location map for Hartley Bay really isn't illustrative of what the area is like; a satellite map of the local area of the coast would be more useful/illustrative....depending on scale could show the specific point on Gil Island where the sinking happened, and the location of Hartley Bay as well.  I'll see who i can find to make and license a sat map, if someone here is capable of that please do.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggesting sat-map instead of RD location map 

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