Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria

message: This criteria page is going to take awhile to fill out. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:06, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an article List of famous last words? :) Grutness...wha? 13:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: New stubs shouldn't be proposed if they won't easily have 100 articles at a minimum. Furthermore, the articles under them should have some potential to be expandable. Even though an article may be short, it does not mean that's it's lacking.--jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposing new stubs

message: Unless anyone objects, I will be moving everything from "New sections and categories" to "Proposed new stubs", since it's outdated and I see no use (if it was useful, it would be updated). 
The hierarchy should reflect the current, existing hierarchy. If a new stub is created/deleted, it should be added/removed from the hierarchy immediately. 
I don't believe it's necessary to list articles you think should go under your new stub. I think we can all agree that if someone proposes a new stub, it's because they've see a need for it. Perhaps we should agree on a format for proposals, with the name in a header, the purpose/scope clearly stated below, and an estimate of existing articles that would benefit, an expiry date, with the comment section below. Ideally, the scope should be limited to a few lines. If everyone agrees to change the scope, then it should be replaced and not just crossed off. This is simply to keep things organised, so at any time, someone can jump in and see what is being proposed and what it will cover. In addition, proposals should be specific. For instance, the recommendation of state stubs. If a particular state needs a stub, then great, but just because one needs it, it does not mean every state deserves one. The expiry date will allow old or staled discussions to be moved off the page.--jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping things organised

message: Given the large number of new stub categories that have appeared out of the woodwork lately, I've added a sentence to both Wikipedia:Find_or_fix_a_stub and :Category:Stub categories saying: 
:If you wish to create a new stub category, please propose it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria prior to creation.
Hopefully that will slow down the number of new discoveries a little!  Grutness|hello?  09:57, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Increasing number of discovered stub templates

message: I've rearranged the criteria page a bit, in the hope that it will make it easier to archive and to keep track of when templates have been proposed. The main change is to divide up the new propsals by the month they werre proposed. This will give us a bit more of an idea of which proposals have been hanging around without anything happening to them. I've also tidied up the procedure for proposing stubs section slightly. Hope that by being bold I haven't gone too far... let me know what you think.  Grutness|hello?  06:56, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slight reorganisation of page

message: I came across this issue, and was redirected here.  I'd just like to say that the templates named under :Category:Computer stubs are really counterintuitive.  For example, if I'm going through recent changes, I'll usually tag stub articles; and as I'm not familiar with the breadth of stub templates, I'll usually guess at what i think it's called, and verify in "Preview".  Usually, it's pretty easy, like I'll guess Template:actor-stub or Template:comics-stub, and be right.  However Template:compu-hardware-stub and Template:compu-soft-stub is not at all intuitive, consistent, or particularly necessary; I doubt there would be any ambiguity if you called them Template:hardware-stub or Template:software-stub.  Just a thought. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:52, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
:Hmmm. Hardware-stub - perfect for planks, paint, and nails. it would complement tool-stub nicely! Um, no?  Grutness|hello?  08:00, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It all depends who the stubs are for the benefit of. If they are for the benefit of the general readership, then sure, a full name is a good idea. If they are for the benefit of editors who want to sort as many stubs as quickly as possible, then the shorter the name is, the better. Similarly, the more they fit in with other stub names, the better. So, for example, all computer stub subcategories start with compu, for the sake of the very consistency that is being argued is not there. The presnt scheme seems to work pretty well, and short of overhauling the entire system and starting from scratch...  Grutness|hello?  05:35, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True, I generally cut and paste when I'm sorting, referencing the stub list so the length doesn't matter as much for me. Probably a middle road here somewhere, I'm certainly not suggesting starting from scratch :(). Sometimes though the stub text is truncated quite a lot and there are times when it'd be nice for them to be a little more literal (edit summaries, edit fields), but if you're typing in the stub tags by hand I can see your point. Rx StrangeLove 05:57, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

text: One possibility would be to keep the current names but add redirects from more "category compatible" names, so "martial-arts-stub" would redirect to ma-stub, etc. That's already done for a couple of them (Scotland-geo-stub redirects to UKS-geo-stub, for instance).  Grutness|hello?  23:01, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistent naming? 

message: Since we seem to be getting occasional new geo-stubs appearing, and I've been holding off suggesting any more till they reach a reasonable threshold, I went through all the geostubs in "region" classifications (e.g., Central Asia, Caribbean, West Africa), and counted up the actual nunbers for each coutry. it makes interesting reading (if you're really bored...). If anyone wants to see how the "unseparated countries" stack up in terms of numbers of geo-stubs, have a look at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying.  Grutness|hello?  08:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I proposed a uniformal geo stub. What do you think? It could be improved if it fails to unite all geo-stub categories, let me know whats wrong, it doesnt take me long to fix such stuff -- Cat chi? 22:02, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm strongly, violently, vaguely homicidally against. The new template doesn't reduce the work that editors will be doing, or make it easier to remember what to code. What's more, there are still concerns with the servers about the use of metatemplates (which this basically is) and the use of icons such as flags on heavy-use templates (and consideriing how many US and UK stubs there are, those flags will be on a LOT of articles!). Also, the list changes regularly and frequently when new Wikiprojects come along or when a country reaches the point where a separate category looks viable, so the new stub template would have to continually be revised and tweaked (as far as country-geo-stubs are concerned, for instance, I've recently gone through all the countries that have yet to get their own stub categories, counting how many stubs are listed for each (the result is at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying) - there are about four countries that could well be split off very soon, if there is enough call for it from groups associated with editing these countries). This system will be much harder to keep running smoothly, will cause more problems for the servers, and won't actually change the amount of work for regular or casual stub editors.  Grutness|hello?  01:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Geo-stub count

message: I've put this on WP:WSS talk, but I think it's worth adding here, too: While Snowflake and other were diligently creating the new central project page, I've been working on something else which I think might be a reasonable addition to the project's pages, which I'd now like to present for appraisal and improvement. A lot of recent talk has been about trying to maintain consistent naming of stub templates, and working out which redirects are badly-enough named to reuire deletion. I have written a first draft of some naming guidelines, also including some of the major exceptions, on a subpage of my user page at User:Grutness/WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. If you think it is a good enough start for such a page, then I will move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. Please have a look, make any amendments you think necessary and get back to me (even if only to tell me it was a waste of time and a co0mplete crock of tutae, as they might say in Maori). Grutness...wha? 08:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Another page for your perusal

message: I've split up those tables in order to make sure everything goes into the table of contents. I know it looks somewhat ugly, but that's because the situation is actually ugly :) --Joy [shallot] 16:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. It also allows easier discussion about individual entries (as has just happened with chicago-stub). I'm tempted to removed the headings as they're just floating all by themselves. But on the other hand, they do give a bit of context to the otherwise unlabelled sections of the former table. Hmm. --TheParanoidOne 19:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It'll make them easier to clear and archive, too. At the moment they're causing a bit of a blockage there. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  stubbergs 

message: This section is getting a bit large and unwieldy to edit, so I decided to try splitting it up by month. It's certainly helped with the section sizes, but I'm not 100% sure about whether I like it. Feel free to revert if it makes things absolutely horrible. --TheParanoidOne 22:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite a few of these may go soon - I've ben waiting until a number of them have been deleted or otherwise on sfd before doing the next archiving, and (believe it or not) quite a few get archived each time. Grutness...wha? 02:30, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Newly discovered" changes 

message: Right, that does it. Someone else can take over the geo-stub work. It is clearly too much of a pain in the ass when users like User:Tobias Conradi, after having all the rules explained to him at Category_talk:Geography_stubs, go ahead and create categories that I have expained will be a complete waste of time. If someone else would care to have the geo-stub lists that are at the subpages of my User page, they can feel free to have them - I won't be using them any more. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: I quit

message: Is there any reason not to make redirects like  to , assuming that the redirect fits in with the system? That way, you could just put the name of the country without worrying what region it's supposed to be in, and if/when enough Chad geo stubs show up, they wouldn't have to be manually searched for and moved. Kappa 23:44, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That actualy sounds like a fairly good idea to me. If a redirect is then "promoted" to a stand alone stub with it's own category, a bot could just go though the "what links here" list and perform null edits and wolla, the new stub category is populated. It might be tricky to get people to actualy use that system and find a way to list the available redirects prominently enough without cluttering up the stub type list too much. Also not 100% sure how template redirects work, creating hundreds if not thousands of new redirects might cause some exess strain for the servers. --Sherool 00:49, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-emptive redirects? 

message: Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RFC to dissolve Wikiproject Stub Sorting. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notification of RfC affecting this page