Talk:Samuel Alito Supreme Court nomination

message: Somehow this was missed:
In 2000, for example, Alito was among the judges who ruled that a New Jersey law banning late-term abortions was unconstitutional, following high court precedent. He did not join the main court opinion, however, and wrote a careful decision that said his vote was compelled. 
In 1995, he voted to invalidate Pennsylvania restrictions on publicly funded abortions for women who are victims of rape or incest. The state wanted the women to have to report the crime to police first, but Alito joined another judge in finding that the state rules were trumped by federal government policy. 
From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_go_su_co/alito_abortion;_ylt=AhFYCA605a9_t8Gu139dFFOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-
I'm sure some conscientious editor will find the case citation. Homoneutralis 21:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abortion section 

message: Why do people make these huge articles about political stuff (this is an encyclopedia not a news site) This should contain the basic info and links to news pages that have all the information and quotes etc... Manwe 08:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Political events are notable enough for their own encyclopedia articles. That's just the way the site works. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much information 

message: I am proposing this article be merged with Samuel Alito. There is no real separation between the person and his nomination to the Supreme Court. Already there is a lot of duplication. There was a similar situation with the CIA leak scandal. Originally there was an article about it at Valerie Plame, Then a parallel Plame affair article was started, other coverage was added to Karl Rove and the result was a big mess. This is one story and it should be covered in one article. --agr 13:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The nomination and the person being nominated are related but different subjects. There already is enough material just on the nomination to warrant having a separate article so that aspect of this person will not overwhelm an article on the man. The article on the man should only have a summary of the nomination info in it per Wikipedia:Summary style. Same for the other articles you mentioned (and yep, they need to be cleaned-up along those lines). --mav 20:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: So far, there's nothing in this article about this http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002618794_webalito11.html  
--Christofurio 19:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethics Contention

message: With the recent NSA wiretap scandal, we may need to insert a sectio9n on Alito's views on the ideas of executive power into the article. Orville Eastland 14:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Executive power

message: I removed a quote from the section on Alito's Pennsylvania spousal notification law. It quoted a "legal expert" who was in fact one of the ACLU's lawyers arguing the case and polemically suggested that it meant Roe was no longer law. It added nothing to that section of the article, seemed POV, and I removed it. Wally 19:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed quote 

message: Might it be of note that the hearings are currently being broadcast on NPR?
:The hearings are being broadcast everywhere, including NPR C-SPAN and multiple other sources. It might be worthwhile to mention somewhere, but I wouldn't just include NPR. Sue Anne 22:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The importance of this nomination with regard to the future of the supreme court, contributions, and votes for future elections needs to be mentioned. This importance is REFLECTED in the media coverage. WAS 4.250 00:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPR 

message: Someone added "Senator" all over the article. Fine. But use "Judge" just as often. WAS 4.250 00:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Judge and Senator

message: We should have a see also section with links to other recent confirmation trials-roberts, myers. freestylefrappe 02:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: "On January 24th, 2006, the Judiciary Committee voted on a straight partisan line 10-8 to send Alito's nomination to the full Senate."
I know the vote was along party-lines, but can someone please post the names of the senators and how they voted? thanks. Kingturtle 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to the transcript. The senators' names and parties are listed at the top and how they voted is at the bottom. Carbonite | Talk 20:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  10-8 

message: Loath though I am to revert an addition by Kiwidude, especially in view of the concordance of our research interests and, most remarkably, of our academic histories, I removed his addition to the "neutral" section of the statement "Senators Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe (R-ME) have not announced a position on the Aliton nomination. They are a part of a handful of Republican senators who support abortion rights."  Notwithstanding the syntactic imperfections of the sentence, and notwithstanding that indeed Senators Collins and Snowe are significant figures in the confirmation morass, inasmuch as they are two of five Republican senators whom we might typically call "pro-choice", the sentence does not seem to impart any substantive information; instead, it reflects the absence of information.  Whilst such absence might be of some use to us, it is difficult to see what precisely qualifies it as "encyclopedic"; one imagines that there are a few other members of the Senate not yet having expressed a position whom we might list.  I think, then, that, given that the information added was not an expression of neutrality from Senators Collins and Snowe, but, instead, an outside comment to the effect of their not yet having announced a position (which one might term "original research", given that it provides a conclusion based upon the absence of evidence), it is appropriate that it should be removed from the article.  I will surely, of course, understand if the information is added back, but I might suggest that, given that most senators have expressed some public position relative to the confirmation of Judge Alito, we might best alter the "Reaction to the nomination" section to include comments in support and opposition (and neutral comments) from outside groups and personnages and then create a separate section in which to enumerate the members of the US Senate and then to add a relevant quote about the nomination where available.  A chart might best be used, with columns "Senator", "Vote" (to be completed after the Senate vote), and "Comment" (to be filled in where available, with other quotes sure to follow in view of the forthcoming floor debate on the nomination).  I won't proceed straightaway with the formulation of such chart sua sponte, but should others writing here seem to concur, I will gladly shoulder the responsibility of formulating such a chart and gathering the quotes, many of which are available on the homepages of each senator.  Cordially, Joe 23:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The naming of this section is erroneous.  If you're going to put only statements, then put "statements" or something to that effect in the headline.  Leaving it just as "reaction" or "opposition" allows from comments like mine.  I strongly believe that those Senator from Rhode Island and Maine should be put under "neutral".  Did you look up the definition of neutral? It's what I said it would be.  Not taking a position by not annoucning it is being neutral!  My reasoning is absolutely logical; yes YLS does still teach reasoning and forever will, when did you visit?  Anyhoo, Collins said she would support Alito.  Chafee and Snowe have not announced any decision.  They're NEUTRAL! Golly Gee Whiz... Have a lovely day.  Kiwidude 05:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree with you.  I wasn't suggesting that the setup was correct as it was; instead, I was noting that your formulations did not fit with the rest of the section, inasmuch as not saying anything is not the same as making a neutral statement.  I am going to work on bifurcating the "Reaction to the nomination" section such that one section contains initial comments in support and opposition of the nomination whilst the other contains the stated positions of each senator.  By the way, because I take it that each of us enjoys semantics, I should say that your contention "Not taking a position by not announcing it is being neutral" is logically unsound.  First, one might already have formulated a position and simply not announced it; the absence of a stated position is not neutrality--the presence of a stated position of neutrality is.  Though not on all fours, the distinction between "disinterested" and "uninterested" is relevant, where, for example, Snowe and Chafee might be "disinterested"--having no stake (or, here, position)--or "uninterested"--not caring.  In sum, though I agree with you that the formulation of the page is incorrect and will act to remedy the problem, your addition did not fit given the previous construction of the "neutral" section.  Most notably, though, I must say again, the absence of an expression of an opinion is not the same as an expression of neutrality (for example, I have not publicly stated--until now--my preference for Jay Leno to/over David Letterman, but never was I neutral on the subject).  In any case, we'll get the page looking better soon, I expect...Cordially, Joe 05:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Senator Collins has publicly stated that she will support the nomination.  Giles22 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Neutral" section

message: The notes section is just a series of editorials that are not linked anywhere in the body of the article.  What is the point of this section?  I am boldly removing, discuss here if disired. Bonewah (talk) 20:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes section 

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