Talk:List of countries by rail transport network size

message: Is the intention here to cover only plain-vanilla rail service, or also local mass transit systems?  Eg. Singapore has only 39 km railway as such, but 109 km of subway line and another ~30 km of light AGV systems. Jpatokal 11:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of rail transport

message: I believe that a mileage for the European Union would be helpful, and I want to know if continent totals would be worthwhile. Finally, we have a picture of the rail mileage per sq. km., so shouldn't we also have a list of those numbers as well? (The picture IS hard to read...) IMacWin95 22:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compilations 

message: There are 148 countries listed as having railways, and 35 in the "no-railway" list, totaling 183 countries. There are 193 members in the United Nations, and many lists mention up to 236 sovereign nations and dependencies. Thus many countries are not represented. Examples include Solomon Islands, Samoa, Tonga etc. 72.89.142.180 (talk) 08:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing countries

message: I am for keeping EU in the list, it is not country but it has some aspects of country. Also it was there for a long time without problem. --Jklamo 20:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. —Nightstallion 08:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, let's discuss. The EU is not on the List of countries, has no legal personality, does not meet half of the Montevideo Convention criteria and, even if it were half a country ('sui generis' - a bit different), it is not a country yet. Given the very deep political differences in counties which are members of the EU about what the EU is and what it should be, to include it as a country under these circumstances has the potential to cause offence and is potentially POV. Plus putting in these lists also leads to double counting. DSuser 12:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The EU is included in many lists of this kind by international studies of all sorts; the fact that there is political debate about the direction the EU's development should take changes nothing about the fact that it has amassed a vast amount of power, commonly pooled by all member states. Double counting is not an issue, as the EU is clearly marked as being a special entry and not to be compared to the others. —Nightstallion 14:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And extra info is never bad, so it's better to put it in the list ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.65.103.122 (talk) 12:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Union 

message: DSuser and I have drafted a complete analysis of why it would be a good or a bad idea to include the EU in lists of countries in some form (either directly in the list or as a special note outside the list). We'd kindly invite all editors who are interested in the EU and/or lists of countries to take a look at Talk:European Union/inclusion in lists of countries, read all of the arguments presented and then state their opinion on what a sensible compromise might look like. Thanks! —Nightstallion 09:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! You can take a look at List of countries by GDP (nominal), IMF list, no objections found.--Manlleus (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU in lists 

message: Any body know why the network size of India increased from 63327 km to 90569 km? Any body can provide a reliable source for this?Calvingao (talk) 15:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the larger figure track-km? The route-km should be lower 65.43.121.97 (talk) 15:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian Railway network size

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message: In my understanding the numbers represented in the list are a mixture of the actual track length and the network lenght of countries' rail networks. 
Usually the track length covers the length of all tracks in a countries network so that 1 mile of a double track is counted as 2 miles of track whereas network length would count 1 mile of a double (or quadruple or more) track only as 1 mile.
As I am familiar with some countries numbers I can see that the difference in terminology has not been paid attention to. 
For instance Germany has 63.897km of tracks and 33.862km (2007) of network (numbers published by German network operator Deutsche Bahn). The number in this list here equals the network lenght. But turkey has a network length of 11.005km (2008 number of Turkish network operator TCDD). So the number of 18.697km in the list here is either plainly wrong or showing the track length.
In my oppinion the list should show the track length as that number contains more information about the density of the network and the definition at the beginning of the article should be clarified.
Papiere (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Turkey was just typo error. Most of data is from UIC, thus using same methodology. --78.108.106.253 (talk) 04:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend staying with the UIC methodology. Network length is a more easily obtainable number than is overall track length (and is a more consistent measure), comes closer to describing the density of geographic coverage, and its use precludes ambiguities as to whether passing sidings and even yard and terminal trackage were in the figures.  Whichever is used, I agree that the chart should be labelled to clarify exactly what is shown.  (Perhaps a excerpt on the main page from a UIC document would be useful.) Irv (talk) 18:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of rail network size 

message: I removed the "No Railways" lead-in comment: Islands are not likely to have many railways, except perhaps for metro railways.  Although this is generally correct, it's not universally true, and in any event doesn't add to the encyclopedic content of the overall article.
Irv (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No railways on Islands? 

message: This is a very useful site, and I'm appreciative of those who assembled the basic data and created the page.  However, I removed the "No Data" section, because it's obvious that places with no data aren't mentioned.  And I suggest the "No Railways" section be edited to remove places that never had railways (e.g., the smaller islands).  Instead, this section could be retitled ("Railways -- Past and Future"?) and limited to a) places that once had railways &/or b) places in which railways now are proposed.  Comments? Irv (talk) 17:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content of subsidiary sections 

message: I'd be interested in the rail network per area calculation, to get more comprehensive view on this subject. Also, per population/area should be interesting in thinking of passenger trains. 80.186.134.146 (talk) 05:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  per area? & Historic per area? 

message: I don't know how to edit these things easily, but if you sort the table by railway length, you'll see that the "rank" column values are incorrect in a number of places. I don't know whether this is because they are out of date -- but if this is the reason, does anyone know of a way to make the rank automated with the value? Davemnt (talk) 16:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rankings incorrect 

message: I think that the data, which is used in this ranking, should be clarified. That means, it should be made clear what exactly counts. Do Metro trains count too?
For example, Germany has a lot of different figures for its rail networks; DB Netze AG mentions even approx. 65.000km of trackssee here - however, these do not seem to be operational, but even the 
German Statistics Administration has quite some different figures available.see here Depending on which figures are actually taken, the rank of Germany would change. --Shurakai (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify data on this page 

message: Folks,
Alderney in the Channel Islands has a railway which was established in 1847 (see link to Wikipedia article)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderney_Railway
Freedom1968 (talk) 10:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Island of Alderney has a railway 

message: The South African network is here given as 20247 km total, but 24800 km electrified. Could someone fix it? --Pavel Q (talk) 04:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , Why not done by yourself? -- ZH8000 (talk) 12:48, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Africa 

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message: You contributed some substantial changes to the list. Thanks for that!
But I wonder what sources you used for this update. Would you mind to update/add the respective references? WP:REF (please use the  template accordingly ad sufficietly!)
Further, there is a column called Date year. You did NOT update this column at all. I think you need to update this information as well, otherwise your changes are not complete and valid.
And probably you should update the hidden population figure as well according the year you used for the other figures!!
Finaly, you left an editing error. Please make sure you review your edits for the future! -- ZH8000 (talk) 00:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated figures 

message: The article on Pakistan Railways uses this source for the extent of track and routes in 2014-2015.  This is this archived page here from Archive.org. 
:The source given in this article is dead. The archive link brings me to a page showing two words and no data. I think the numbers are different than are now in the table of railway data for Pakistan. I am willing to clean up refs, add trans-titles for foreign languages and fill out bare url, but I hesitate to alter the data. - - Prairieplant (talk) 21:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source and data for Pakistan 

message: It seems like the flags have been removed from the table as a "mere decoration" However, to me the table seems like a complete visual mess without them, and it's extremely hard to see the difference between countries with just one glance. There have been edit wars over flags in tables on countless lists, and I don't want to start one – but believe we should return them as soon as possible. —Ynhockey (Talk) 14:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country flags 

message: Hey 41.222.180.96 (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey 

message: If you go to the World Bank website you can see Argentina has 17,866 km of railway, not 36,966 like this page shows. the 17,866 data is from 2018 which is the most recent, but even if you look to the 2014 data (which is the data stored on this page) it shows 18,097 km. So I ask for the value to be changed to the true one (I don't know how to do that). I realized this because I live in Argentina and it felt off that we had so much railway.
190.191.79.193 (talk) 09:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The values for Argentina are wrong 

message: I noticed that Puerto Rico's track length matched up with the length of the Tren Urbano. But it isn't a proper railway. It's a metro. Should we include those? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we include metros and trams and light rail ect.? 

message: In order to be comprehensive, accurate and definitive.
There are accepted 'lists of countries'. ISO 3166 and UN membership status being widely used and having pages on Wikipedia explaining them.
Hong Kong and Macau are 'special administrative regions of China' rather than countries.
The status of Taiwan is 'complicated'.
Puerto Rico is a dependency of the United States rather than a country.
Bermuda I have noted as being a dependency rather than a country.
I don't want to meddle with the main table if it is based on an official source but there needs to be clarity.
Brunei, Guyana and Suriname appear in the table as having railways and in the list of not having.
In the case of Brunei I have not established whether it has any 'proper' railways beyond the private gas terminal pier railway of 4km.
In the case of Guyana and Suriname I believe the data to be out-of-date as the railways are no longer in operation or existence but if the data is still reported in official tables what should be done?
The data I entered for Niger, Qatar and South Sudan is based on research rather than the official statistics the table is based upon. As an aside, I find a lot of the 'mileage' data to be inaccurate when analysed but, again, it is the official data! AdrianintheUK (talk) 16:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries, out of date but official data, duplicate entries 

message: I have noticed that most countries have a Portuguese Railways source that Portuguese Railways has data on other railway systems in other countries. It's just absurd. This needs to be changed. I noticed this problem when I was introducing UTK statistics for Poland.
Also, does anyone have a source on Romanian railway data? I noticed a big discrepancy in the data here and I don't know if Romania has more than 10,000 or 20,000 kilometers of railway lines, as well as with the length of electrified railway lines, which are three times longer than last time. KujKuń (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese source in almost all countries 

message: In List of countries by rail transport network size#Countries with active network: can we add a column which shows the percentage of traffic which is done ba electric means? In Germany this would be 93%
(P.75)
—Hfst (talk) 08:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage of electric transport