Talk:Julián Castro (Venezuelan politician)

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message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Julian Castro which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 06:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: page moved. There is a clear consensus that this page needs to be moved. The consensus is less clear for the target. There are no other parenthetically disambiguated members of :Category:Presidents of Venezuela.  makes a good point in that the Spanish version is at :es:Julián Castro Contreras, and all the other Venezuelan president bios are naturally disambiguated. However, the Spanish wiki has :es:Julián Castro (político) so they're not perfect either as the Venezuelan president was also a politician. I'm moving this with no prejudice to an immediately submitted new RM to move this to either Julián Castro Contreras, Julián Castro (Venezuelan politician) or Julián Castro (Venezuela politician). A fresh discussion would be focused on just the name of the Venezuela politician, without any thoughts about the American politician in the mix – so preferable to a relist of this. Whether the American politician is the primary topic for the base name Julián Castro remains open for discussion at Talk:Julian Castro#Requested move to Julián Castro (American politician), and will be decided there. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Julián Castro →  – The American politician is using the accent in his presidential campaign material, so we can no longer rely on that small difference to disambiguate. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for fixing it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:10, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text: However, disambiguation by diacritic is always a bad idea, and in this case it is clearly unviable.  So rename per nominator, without prejudice to disambiguating the American politician. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
*I am fine with the proposed move of the Venezuelan president but strongly oppose moving the American politician to the undisambiguated title per WP:RECENTISM and WP:GEOBIAS.  That can be revisited when he is elected president.  The issue of the accent and whether to use Julián Castro (U.S. politician) or Julián Castro (American politician) might be better discussed at that talk page.  —  AjaxSmack  21:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text: *I believe that is the case given the RM on that page. If it is, both the ongoing requests should really be closed as malformed so correct multi-move request can be filed. Calidum 01:12, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If this one is closed as "move to (Venezualan president)", as seems to be the current trend in commentary here, that would leave Julián Castro as a redirect. Then nothing would prevent the move of Julian Castro to Julián Castro if that is the decision at the other article - which is how the discussion is currently trending. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Followup comment: Thank you, wbm1058, for closing this discussion. FYI and noting for historical purposes, after you moved the article to :Julián Castro (Venezuelan president) as per this discussion, PhilipTerryGraham moved it to :Julián Castro (Venezuelan politician) with the edit summary "per naming guidelines". PhilipTerryGraham, maybe you could explain a little bit what the guideline is? -- MelanieN (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

text: Please refer to my paragraph in the move discussion above. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 18:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, sorry, I missed that. You were mostly arguing in favor of the three-name disambiguation, and you didn't argue AGAINST (president) so I didn't realize you would not accept (president). Apparently Wbm1058 missed it as well. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I saw it. He was just outnumbered in the discussion, which focused too much on the American. Most !votes were cast before his was, and he may be right about the guideline, but it's just a guideline... I didn't see anything blatantly wrong with the original proposal so that's why I went ahead with it. wbm1058 (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I literally did argue against it by stating that it too unnecessarily percise and "politican" would better satisfy guidelines. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 21:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 January 2019 

message: There is a discussion at Talk:Julian Castro#Requested move 24 January 2019 that may be of interest to participants at this page. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:03, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about the other Julián Castro