Talk:World War II/Archive 10

message: Edit summaries - Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved. Instead, place such comments, if required on the talk page. This keeps discussions and debates away from the article page itself. - copied from the Wiki guide page. -- Drogo Underburrow 16:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit summaries

message: Dear administrators, I have a new entry for the links
http://www.historisches-centrum.de/index.php?id=65
The Virtual Library Contemporary History is part of the History Network at the European University Institute in Florenz. The contents of the catalogue are concentrated on the history of Germany (1890-1949). The main catalog provides mostly links of WW II and the Third Reich. The Virtual Library History is the oldest catalog in the Internet, founded in March 1993 by Lynn Nelson at the University of Kansas, USA. Since September 1993 this catalog is part of the WWW Virtual Library. The VL Contemparary History is maintained by the Historisches Centrum Hagen, Germany. 
I think it will be a good catalog link for WW II section in the Wikipedia and would please you to add this link.
--84.187.111.99 14:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:84.187.111.99 and User:145.254.97.88 inserted this non-specific link into about 20 articles. As far as I see it, this is no recommendation for this website. --jergen 08:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that the VL Zeitgeschichte is the main source for WW II in Germany. "The Virtual Library Contemporary History is part of the History Network at the European University Institute in Florenz. The contents of the catalogue are concentrated on the history of Germany (1890-1949). The Virtual Library History is the oldest catalog in the Internet, founded in March 1993 by Lynn Nelson at the University of Kansas, USA. Since September 1993 this catalog is part of the WWW Virtual Library. The VL Contemparary History is maintained by Ralf Blank at the Historisches Centrum Hagen, Germany." http://www.vl-zeitgeschichte.de 
Even if the linking a little professionally took place should the VL contemporary history under Web on the left of remain. The publishers can do finally nothing for it if people her here left. 
--Scholl 20:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add Weblink

message: Some obsessed idiot keep changing the article back - planting all sort of Polish-Soviet arguments into it. Hey, Mister whoever you are - don't you understand - this is an encyclopedia, not a dispute club, not an anti-Russian stress-relief website? Please please show that you really belong to civilized West, not to barbaric East - and behave yourself... Use your intelligence, not your soul and feeling. Once again - this is encyclopedia, think about the very concept of this place. Kind regards
oleg100 10:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please Read about "secret protocol" of Molotov-Robbentrop pact and discuss with the others without screaming on them. --80.55.201.194 07:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It is my edits you changed, and I am not a Pole, nor even a Polish partisan, so stop with the off-topic rhetoric. All I want is a simple, concise, factual, paragraph written in proper English, that serves to give a chronology and point to the main links on this topic. You object to mentioning the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact at all unless its in depth. That is not acceptable. This pact led to the start of the war. There is nothing wrong with a brief statement, one sentence only, that such a pact was signed. I suggest you add it yourself, then we will have some idea of what you feel must be said. But keep it brief, at the most a short paragraph. Drogo Underburrow 08:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I would also agree with Drogo on this (as, I vaguely recollect from my undergradute studies decades ago, would many mainstream historians). The signing of the M-R Pact allowed Hitler to attack Poland without fear of intervention against his actions by the Soviets. Hence, it led to the start of the war. Many people can probably debate at length what would have happened if the Pact had not been signed, but that is not the focus of the main WWII article. Signing of the Pact made Hitler's decision to invade far simpler. (I'm not Polish either!) --Habap 14:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1939: War breaks out in Europe

message: thumb|right|250px|Areas with predominantly German speaking populations in 1945.
I edited the text a bit - an suggest all parties to agree with this change. As in all changes I do - I aim to get an acceptable for all sides solution. We should rememeber that this is an encyclopedia, not the palce for debating, or fight, or exploration, We should use as less adjectives as possible, but more verbs and nouns :))) If there are dofferent views - then encyclopeida must inform of all reasonably known/common views - for the reader to know what is it about or what is going on - and not to indoctrinate..
So - the changes and reasons
- a reduced a bit and balanced a bit the statement of further faitht of Polish troops - this article about the beginning of a war, hence other detials should be in a separate "Polish contribution to war" - it is big subject in itself we will talk to you about - in that section discusssion :)) hence we should not distort it here by talking small part of it.
Next - Molotoff-Ribbentrop got nothing to do with Russian advance to Poland, there was nothing in it about running war against Poland or occupying it. It was about securing the "zones of interest" - on the same way as everybody did and does it today. Russia did not endorsed German invasion in this treaty, nor Germans needed Russian approval for this war - they decided to go for war, they did it - and Russian secured their own interests in the given situation. This was in Russian interests and the only things they could do after the attempts to creat any anti-German coalition including Russia, Poland and Allies failed (and this is another hell of a topic to discuss :)) ). I put a comment that Russian occupieed easto fo Poland according to agreed with Germans zones - and that what M-R pact agreed upon.
"Joined Russian-German forced" is also deliberately misleading statement. Do I need to explain why, or the author of thisstatement just playing games here?
oleg100 07:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1939: War breaks out in Europe

message: I suggest changes in the caption concerning the war in Finland 1944. It is now in contradiction with several other articles in Wikipedia. - Wehrmacht troops did not leave the southern coast of Gulf of Finland before late autumn 1944, when armistice had alreadhy been made. Therefore the mention of the Finnish army's unteable  situation is plain wrong. See "Tali-Ihantala" in Wikipedia.
jukka.kemppinen@kolumbus.fi
Why isn't Winter war listed in 1939 battle theatres? I would add it myself, but since being a beginner, I didn't figure out how to do it. Latre
The retreat cut the ground link with the Finns. This indeed is correct, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica. Drogo Underburrow 09:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to books written specifically on Siege of Leningrad, German operations in Batlic states and Finnish operations in the Continuation War, Finns and Germans never established ground link. (F.ex. Platonov:"Bitva za Leningrad", Maanpuolustuskorkeakoulu:"Jatkosodan historia 1-6", Glantz:"The Battle for Leningrad") --Whiskey 10:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I only read English. However, I won't argue, since the WWII article is only a pointer to main articles on the Finnish war, so if you don't want the link mentioned, I won't insist. Drogo Underburrow 11:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, (and I do believe I'm correct here, but don't have any source at hand), the sieged Leningrad always had access to Lake Ladoga (that's how they got some supplies in), and that would exclude any contact on land between German and Finnish troops. Where exactly are they supposed to have had contact, or a "ground link"? Shanes 12:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland 

message: On a related note does anyone else think that the Technologies section has gotten way too large. I would recommend reducing this to a single paragraph and spinning the rest off into a separate article. DJ Clayworth 14:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that motion....I've been thinking the same thing, but have not acted for fear that it would be objected to. Drogo Underburrow 01:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well Ithink it is to small and focus way to much on western and nazi developments. Also one could asume from reading it that the panther tank was the same as the IS-3 tank when i reality the IS-3 was extremly many times better and not to mention the T-44 was also many times better in everything, speed, fire power, protection, cost, endurance and so on and so forth. (Deng 21:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not wanting to get involvolved in this discussion, I nevertheless could not resist the temptation to point to this article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4443934.stm Stor stark7 21:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Technologies

message: It is not disputed that the USSR invaded Poland in 1939. However, the Allies did not declare war on the USSR. Therefore, it is wrong to say that "The war began with Germany and then the Soviet Union invading Poland in September, 1939" as the Soviet Union was not at war. Please stop changing the introduction on this point. Include whatever you want to say on this issue in the 1939 Chronology section that deals with the invasion of Poland. Drogo Underburrow 08:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Finland did not declare war on the United Kingdom and other Alies nevertheless we call it one of the Axis Powers. The Soviet Union invaded Poland, one of The Alies but did not declare war on the others. Therefore I think we must aslo call it one of The Axis. Regardless it is consistent with your opinion or not. --80.55.201.194 12:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Soviet Union never did declare war to Finland at November 30, 1939. In fact, Soviet diplomats and Molotov went to great lengths to explain how there is no war between Soviet Union and Finland and pictures in papers how Soviet leadership and 'Government of Finland' signed several treaties and agreements. --Whiskey 13:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Finland is never called an Axis power in this article. Technically, the Soviet Union never went to war against Poland. Polish troops fought on the Soviet side later in the war, and the area of Poland invaded by the Soviet Union was no longer Polish after the war. No sources I know of say that the USSR was ever an Axis power, so we cannot say it in the article. Drogo Underburrow 12:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Soviet Union never went to war against Poland because the area of Poland invaded by the Soviet Union was no longer Polish after the war. So if the whole area of Europe where now german we will say that there was no war in Europe? Only a part of polish troops fought on Soviet side. The communist government was never accepted by Poles. The Soviets were allies of necessity (Churchil said "If Hitler attacked hell, I would gladly make a deal with the devil"). Many polish and other sources I know say that the USSR was primary an Axis power. It was convenient for the wes european goverments and historian to not call Soviet Union one of the Axis but we can discuss about it without any particular business. The Wikipedia is so goog source because people discuss about that what they think. About the Finland: It's not called an Axis power in this article but in "The Axis" it is. 80.55.201.194 13:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The war did, in fact, begin with both Germany and the Soviet Union attacking Poland. That the Soviets didn't fight again in Europe until the Germans attacked them is immaterial to whether they invaded Poland. The average person reading the introduction would either wonder why we left the Soviets out or get the impression that the Soviets didn't invade (even if we include that as one of the "minor details" in the body of the article). --Habap 14:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't skip the massive murders of Polish troops and civilians in 1939-41 that followed the invasion.  Even worse, during the following five decades of Russian occupation, anyone who even dared to mention this was prosecuted or more often, disappeared without a trace.  In all of the propaganda of the time this was said to be a "time of peace"; the soviets claimed that they didn't enter the war until 1941.  "We're not at war with Eurasia"? KiloByte 20:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of Entry of USSR

message: SuperDeng likes to replace Germany to Axis at numerous places. I do't think it is a good idea. F.ex. at 1944 Eastern front: There was no units from other countries in Baltic during retreat to Narwa-line. Army Group Center was German formation, not some co-operative of different countries. As Germans provided the bulk of the armies at Ukraine and Bug river, I'd prefer to use Germans instead of axis. Of course, if Romanians did something themselves, then they should addressed so.--Whiskey 09:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There were always elemts of axis allies in every army untill ofcurse each specific axis member was forced to surrender, also the invasion of the Soviet Union was by the axis not only germany some 1 million axis allies were included in the invasion in june 1941 (Deng 11:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Deng, please tell me for example how many units of other axis nations belong to the German 16. and 18. Armies of Army Group North? (Correct answer: None) So: Your claim is false. --Whiskey 13:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Compromise...lets leave "Axis" in describing the main invasion, but not in the other two cases. It was Germans who assaulted Moscow, and Germans who badly underestimated Soviet forces. Drogo Underburrow 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well ok but it was ofcurse axis who assulted moscow but I wont touch it (Deng 15:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Axis or German?

message: Britain and France declared war on Germany on 3 September, with Canada declaring war a week later on 10 September, but otherwise dishonored their treaties with Poland by failing to provide Poland with military assistance. - from the article.
I am going to delete the addition of the part in boldface, for two reasons. First, it doesn't fit the sentence and I don't feel like fixing it. I think that if an editor is going to add material to the article, he or she should take the time to make sure it fits into the sentence he or she is adding it to. That is not the case here. Secondly, is the date of entry of Canada to the war important enough to rate inclusion in the article? If so, where does the inclusion of countries stop? Are we going to list the date of entry of ALL countries that fought in the war? That would be a long list. One could argue that Canada made a large contribution to the war effort and rates mention. Ok, fine; but then the next country that made close to Canada's contribution deserves a mention, and so on until we end up having to mention them all again. So I'm going to delete it on the grounds that we only mention entry of the major powers in the article, and leave it to someone else to define a new rule for inclusion if they don't like mine. Drogo Underburrow 03:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. Mentioning Canada would mean mentioning all the other countries and then the sentence becomes unwieldy. We have to realise that in an article of limited length we can't mention every participating country in everything. DJ Clayworth 17:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention of Countries other than the Major Powers

message: This section has grown as editors keep adding things here instead of on the pages devoted to this topic. I propose a drastic cut as the only way to get things under control. All material here will be moved to other pages, and a single paragraph will be put in its place mentioning the War crime trials, and a few brief sentences to talk about the links to other major WWII atrocity pages. Sound good? After this change, the article will go from 77k to 73k. Drogo Underburrow 07:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its more than that. Editors are using this page to start material, not putting it on the main pages. I suggest we keep it to links only, so that the other pages will develop, and then we can summarise them.  -- Drogo Underburrow 18:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Certainly, I'll take a look and fix any grammar errors. In the future, you can message me directly by using my talk page. Drogo Underburrow 11:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: War Crimes and Attacks on Civilians

message: I suggest to lift out the references to the EU found in the UN subsection and making it into a subsection of itself.
My proposal is below. I really do not understand why the EU is mentioned in the United Nations subsection, the EU article mentions no involvement of the UN in its creation.
P.S. 1:
:The UN subsection probably would need a disambiguition between The Allies and The United Nations. It really confused me a while back when I was reading some WW2 letters. The Allies called themselves the UN during the war. The term Allies seems to be a mothern invention?!?. Se this paragraph from the history of the UN section:
::The term "United Nations" was coined by Winston Churchill during World War II, to refer to the Allies (see History of the United Nations). Its first formal use was in the January 1, 1942 Declaration by the United Nations, which committed the Allies to the principles of the Atlantic Charter and pledged them not to seek a separate peace with the Axis powers. Thereafter, the Allies used the term "United Nations Fighting Forces" to refer to their alliance.
P.S. 2: 
:This paper made a lot of sence as to the importance of the iron and coal fields of western germany for the war(s)
France, Germany and the Struggle for the War-making Natural Resources of the Rhineland
===A New Europe ===
The European Union grew out of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), which was founded in 1951, by the six founding members: Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg (the Benelux countries) and West Germany, France and Italy. Its purpose was to pool the steel and coal resources of the member states, thus preventing another European war.
The EU has evolved from a trade body into an economic and political partnership.
Stor stark7 16:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what the connection is to WWII. Rather than create a new section, delete the material entirely. In fact, I almost did that a few days ago, but didn't simply cause it would have made the UN section almost empty. Not a good reason to keep something, I know. Drogo Underburrow 17:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the coal and steel union might have at least a tennous connection to WW2. The connection between it and the EU is not straightforward however. Anyway I won't complain if that section is removed. Maybe if someone later comes along with some expertice in the area it can be reinstaded. Stor stark7 18:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath; European Union

message: The European Union grew out of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), which was founded in 1951, by the six founding members: Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg (the Benelux countries) and West Germany, France and Italy. Its purpose was to pool the steel and coal resources of the member states, thus preventing another European war.
The EU has evolved from a trade body into an economic and political partnership.
Stor stark7 16:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what the connection is to WWII. Rather than create a new section, delete the material entirely. In fact, I almost did that a few days ago, but didn't simply cause it would have made the UN section almost empty. Not a good reason to keep something, I know. Drogo Underburrow 17:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the coal and steel union might have at least a tennous connection to WW2. The connection between it and the EU is not straightforward however. Anyway I won't complain if that section is removed. Maybe if someone later comes along with some expertice in the area it can be reinstaded. Stor stark7 18:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A New Europe 

message: Someone put in a long section on Stalingrad, while deleting entirely the entries on the Dieppe Raid and the assasination of  Reinhard Heydrich. I think that deleting very short, pithy entries that are in appropriate places and most importantly link to substantial main articles is wrong. The one on Dieppe could have been condensed a bit, but I don't see entirely eliminating it. The one on Heydrich was barely one or two sentences which linked to two major articles, including the one on the Lidice Massacre. Any thoughts? Drogo Underburrow 17:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of mention of Dieppe, and Lidice

message: Someone recently expanded this into four substantial paragraphs. This is exactly the type of material I feel the WWII page does not need. The material is not a summary intended to link to a main article, its an exposition on a topic in itself. Furthermore, its not even directly about Stalingrad, but like a book starts with the strategic origins of the battle and discusses the entry of the US to the war. This is going way off topic. This is fine for a main article, but completely out of place here. I think this entry should be reverted entirely. While the original material on Stalingrad was inadequate, this is worse. Drogo Underburrow 17:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. This section is at least twice as long as it should be, and even in that reduced length it should be covering all of the Eastern Front action for that period and not just Stalingrad. DJ Clayworth 17:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalingrad

message: Where should the Main article listing be posted?
Under the Year headings
like this 
===1939: War breaks out in Europe===
or
for example you look here
====Europe====
=====The invasion of Denmark and Norway=====
In the 1939 Section, the main articles are posted under the 1939 Heading, where as in the 1940 Section, the main articles are posted not under the 1940 Section but under the various sub-headings.
This format needs to be corrected before this article is ready for Featured Article.
:Its the latter, just like you did in the article. Good job :-) -- Drogo Underburrow 09:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about Main Article Sub-headings 

message: or
for example you look here
====Europe====
=====The invasion of Denmark and Norway=====
In the 1939 Section, the main articles are posted under the 1939 Heading, where as in the 1940 Section, the main articles are posted not under the 1940 Section but under the various sub-headings.
This format needs to be corrected before this article is ready for Featured Article.
:Its the latter, just like you did in the article. Good job :-) -- Drogo Underburrow 09:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1939: War breaks out in Europe

message: =====The invasion of Denmark and Norway=====
In the 1939 Section, the main articles are posted under the 1939 Heading, where as in the 1940 Section, the main articles are posted not under the 1940 Section but under the various sub-headings.
This format needs to be corrected before this article is ready for Featured Article.
:Its the latter, just like you did in the article. Good job :-) -- Drogo Underburrow 09:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe

message: In the 1939 Section, the main articles are posted under the 1939 Heading, where as in the 1940 Section, the main articles are posted not under the 1940 Section but under the various sub-headings.
This format needs to be corrected before this article is ready for Featured Article.
:Its the latter, just like you did in the article. Good job :-) -- Drogo Underburrow 09:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The invasion of Denmark and Norway

message: Good job adding the Life magazine photo, and the section on Italy, and all the new stuff. The page is looking better and better, and the size is still 6 or 7k less than it used to be. :-) -- Drogo Underburrow 14:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Life photo

message: Two points: Firstly there are far too many images in this article, evry paragraph has an accompanying photo or map. It's unnecessary, all that kind of detail can be had in the relevant main article. I know this has been brought up before but it hasn't been addressed. Secondly, the images appear to be forced to 250px size, this over-rides the viewer's preferences and seems unnecessary, unless I'm missing something here. Leithp 15:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the map because that section had too many images and was overflowing into following sections. I agree that it's a good map though, so perhaps removing one of the photos might have been better. My thought was that campaign specific maps can be got from the relevant article and general maps are more appropriate here though. As far as image sizing goes, my understanding is that by using |thumb| the images always go to a size determined by the reader's preferences, so there isn't a need to size them individually. Leithp 18:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Czechoslovakia was formed after the previous war in 1918. In the map above I do notice a an odd spelling of Romania though. Rmhermen 20:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you very much, I do know when Czechoslovakia was formed but I guess you know that in 1939 Bohemia was annexed to Germany and a puppet Slovakia was created. Still, the main problem is that this map-scheme -used many times in this article- simply not correct and misleading, etc. (84.2.168.57 07:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: scuttled at sea on May 24 after having been crippled by an unlucky aerial torpedo hit
This is an idiomatic expression, not a POV statement of luck. It describes that the hit was one that was of a freak nature, not normal. The Bismarck was hit in the rudder. That alone is highly improbable, for a warship to get hit in the rudder. But to make it even more a freak occurrance, the hit occured when the rudder was hard over, as the Bismarck was turning to avoid torpedos. The hit jammed the rudder in the hard over position, and that was fatal to the entire ship. Had it been hit in the rudder while the rudder was straight, the ship could still turn by using its engines alone. But with the rudder kicked hard over, the ship was doomed to sail in a circle, no amount of engine differential could compensate. Now, how do you want to communicate this briefly? By saying it suffered a lucky or (unlucky) hit. This is not about POV, or from whose point of view the luck is. Its an idiomatic expression, not a literal one. Technically, its unlucky from the Bismarck's point of view, since the sentence is describing the ship. Had the sentence been refering to the aircraft firing the torpedo, it would properly be called a "lucky" hit. Would you prefer it being called a "lucky" hit? That's fine with me. Drogo Underburrow 15:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bismarck

message: People are complaining about the size and detail of the table of contents. They don't seem to realise that the table makes it easy to go directly to whatever section of the war one is interested in. Once at that section, its easy to find the link to the main article....the purpose of this page. People are treating this article in isolation from the rest of Wikipedia as if its designed to stand alone. Drogo Underburrow 09:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on Featured Article voting page

message: That WWII was the largest and deadliest war in history is a fact. Therefore, we should say so in the introduction, without qualifiers like "It is widely considered". -- Drogo Underburrow 02:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the main reason that verbiage was there was for reasons of prose style.  The first paragraph now feels very clunky. I am tempted to move the phrase down to the casualties paragraph, but then that would leave the first paragraph rather barren. Redquark 02:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is beyond me how adding a useless qualifier to a simple sentence improves prose style. - Drogo Underburrow 03:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest and deadliest war in history

message: The UK was a part of the British Commonwealth during WWII. Therefore, it is redundant to list "UK and Commonwealth" in the article. It is like saying "California and the United States". Drogo Underburrow 17:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UK and Commonwealth

message: The order I recommend is chronological order of entry to the war. This eliminates POV problems of trying to decide which country is "more important" than the others and to be listed first. -- Drogo Underburrow 19:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of countries in the infobox

message: Hello! I am a writer for the Smithsonian Institution's Center for Education and Museum Studies, which publishes Smithsonian in Your Classroom, a magazine for teachers. An online version of an issue titled "Letters from the Japanese American Internment" is available for free at this address:
http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/japanese_internment/index.html
The issue tells the story of San Diego librarian Clara Breed and her correspondence with young San Diegans sent to the internment camp at Poston, Arizona. In lesson plans, students compare letters from internees. They consider the prismatic nature of the historic record and the value of primary sources in understanding history.
If you think your audience would find this valuable, I wish to invite you to include it as an external link. We would be most grateful.
Thank you so much for your attention.
:That would probably be more appropriate on the Japanese Internment page rather than this one. Thanks for the offer though. Lisiate 21:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Smithsonian Education link? 

message: Ok Guys,
So far things look good.
But, we still need to fix up the Pacific War theatre.
We only have a passing refernce to the Sino-Japanese War, 60% of all Japanese forces were tied up in China, so we need to expand upon that and like some of the paragraphs to the Sino-Japanese battles...
I am gonna start on it.
But I could use your help
Mercenary2k April 22, 2006, 10:06 PM
::Ok, I did my self.  I added info about the Sino-Japanese war and all the missing links are complete on this article.  Mercenary2k April 23, 2006, 1:58 AM
:::60% were did you get that from and during what time frame is that? (Deng 16:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What more needs to be done with this article 

message: The amount of IP vandalism is getting ridiculous. I have semiprotected for a breathing-space. Bishonen | talk 18:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Semiprotecting

message: Apparently one throwaway IP, 70.171.217.201, was so upset to find the article s-protected that s/he blanked the talkpage instead. Please help revert talkpage vandalism, folks, so we don't have to s-protect that as well. Bishonen | talk 19:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ah, yes, one can always vandalize the talkpage

message: I find it hard to tell the differences between the colours on my monitor.  I used GIMP to darken the image, and uploaded it.  Anyone who has better image editting ability than me, feel free to step in.  New version is here; 
:Shite.  Just noticed there are loads of images based of the same map that are too bright.  I'm gonna try and contact the author instead of changing all these pictures.  This was probably a mistake.  Sorry!  I'll leave my altered image on this page for the time being in the hopes of gathering opinion. --CalPaterson 11:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Rostov Image too dark 

message: The links in the references section appear to be somewhat messed up. There are two completely different "war8" notes and the notes "war", "war2", "war3", "war4", "war6" and "war7" aren't actually referenced from anywhere in the article. I wouldn't be surprised if the material they were referencing has been moved off into one of the sub-articles, I've seen that happen on other large articles, but I'm not up to the size of the sleuthing mission an article group this big and complicated would entail to find them right now. Does anyone know offhand where these references belong? Bryan 07:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken references

message: Due to the size of this article (and the lost references issues, mentioned above), I'm asking about changing the references in this article to the <ref> Cite.php form before going into the large amount of work it will take to do this change-over.  I don't want to put in all this work only to have the established editors of the page decide they don't want to use Cite.php.  I am entirly willing to do the change-over, but not without some conformation, or at least the absense of objection.  Please speak up. JesseW, the juggling janitor 05:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like cite.php and I'm for a change (unless someone comes up with reasons for why it's not a good idea in this article). About converting, there's a script that is supposed to be able to make this conversion and save people from that boring manual task, User:Cyde/Ref converter. I've not tried it myself, so I don't know how well it works, but it could be worth trying first. Shanes 06:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing reference style to use Cite.php? 

message: I had tried to make an animated world map of world war 2 month by month after suggestions to expand my previous version at a failed FPC. However the result is 1.7MB and seems to not work as a thumbnail or on regular view, but the high resolution works --Astrokey44 00:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks yes it would be good to focus on those regions, although I wanted a general world overview because battles such as Battle of Madagascar are often left out of ww2 maps. Its a shame that some of the details are too small, because I tried to get things like Saipan in there (changing color). The world at war tv series that is mentioned below is awesome, i watched almost all of it before doing this, (a couple ww2 atlases were useful too) --Astrokey44 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  world map 

message: i am really pissed that people would put
french resistance, which was pretty kruddy and not include greek resitance outright when they most likely caused more casualties in the war than the french could ever dream of. Second of all, Greece destroyed a 400 man german army with 16 people and only 11 people died (i think that's the Greek death rate)and i just found out that it doesn't include greek resistance whatsoever on this page.
:Well, you know what to do... put it in, but keep it in perspective. I understand the Greeks also "annoyed" the German army in Crete too. Wallie 23:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do suggest that you don't go round referring to the French Resistance as 'kruddy' (or cruddy). I would understand if they were a little upset about that. Please also keep anything you write about the Greek Resistance very, very short in this article. It's already way too long. What I would suggest is adding something to Resistance during World War II, or creating a new article and making a link to it from there. Have you looked at Greek Civil War? DJ Clayworth 20:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greece resistance 

message: Shouldn't that read "substantial assistance to the U.K., later the Soviet Union, and other countries."  David R. Ingham 22:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lend–Lease 

message: Youve got a typo
"Nine months later, on the June 22, 1941, Germany launched a massive invasion of the Soviet Union, which promptly joined the Allies."
Gumby701 18:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Well spotted. I always think "the 22 June" and then remember that it should be an American date, i.e. June 22, and forget to remove the "the". It's OK now. Thanks. Wallie 21:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Why should it be in the American format? The US hadn't even entered the war then. Lisiate 22:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Should we use German date form then, as they were in the war all the time? Wallie 21:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo