Talk:Communion under both kinds

message: Interesting article.  I would like to make some changes though.  
#Referring to the wine as the Precious Blood should be omitted, as it is not commonly used terminology and implies that Christ's blood but not body is present in the transubstantiated wine, in contrast to Roman Catholic belief.  
#I would like to discuss the history of this practice more, possibly importing much of the Old Catholic Encyclopedia article on this topic, and describing it as the pre-Vatican II practice, and then discussing more recent changes. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 01:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed changes

message: "this article incorporates text from the public-domain Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913."
Great swathes of it read like an exercise in apologetics and a not insignificant section like a rather clumsy attempt at the same.
"Nor can it be doubted that the modern Catholic discipline best secures these ends. The danger of spilling the Precious Blood and of other forms of irreverence; the inconvenience and delay in administering the chalice to large numbers -- the difficulty of reservation for Communion outside of Mass: the not unreasonable objection on hygienic and other grounds, to promiscuous drinking from the same chalice, which of itself alone would act as a strong deterrent to frequent Communion in the case of a great many otherwise well-disposed people; these and similar "weighty and just reasons" against the Utraquist practice are more than sufficient to justify the Church in forbidding it."
129.67.43.240 18:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'll keep this article on my watchlist, and will try to NPOV it later in the summer. ElinorD (talk) 19:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No kidding!

message: The Melkites do not generally use a spoon, but the priest dips the piece of Host in the Chalice and puts it directly in the communicant's mouth.  I was going to add it and then wondered if Orthodox Arabs or anyone else does it that way as well. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox method 

message: The following paragraph is found under "Roman Catholicism": "Practice":
By the Middle Ages, the Church had become, like most of European society, increasingly hierarchical. There was much stress on being holy when receiving Communion, and a greatly heightened appreciation of the sufferings of Christ. This meant that all who approached the altar were to be as pure as possible, and inevitably led to the exclusion of the laity from administering the Eucharist, reserving the practice to the clergy. It is difficult to say when the practice of offering the chalice to the people stopped, but it may be presumed that this was part of the way in which Church authorities sought to prevent anything disrespectful happening to the Eucharist; it was also, by this time, that Communion was given only on the tongue. 
This paragraph cites no sources; in addition it strikes me as rather vague, considering, for instance, that the Middle Ages was approximately a thousand-year period, and some of the practices mentioned (exclusion of lay ministers of the sacrament, Communion on the tongue), I find in the next section, are also followed in the Eastern churches, while the practice of communion under one kind is not, despite this paragraph giving, at least as I read it, much the same explanation, in which the degree of speculation is not readily apparent (at least, again, to me), of all of these practices.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.66.206 (talk) 04:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification request