Talk:Ultra (personal rapid transit)

message: link to Electric-Bikes.com leads tn 'oops we are sorry' page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.43.76 (talk) 21:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting that. I'll fix it to what i think it was meant to link to. Simply south (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link

message: If someone wants to take photos or create a map of the Heathrow system, this sketch shows where it will be. -- SEWilco (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are very recent photos online at ATS's website Heathrow / Test Track Progress. Germet (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now if you could get permission to use those pictures on Wikipedia, we would be all set. ;-) --JJLatWiki (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded a picture taken from an airplane on Feb 19 but OTRS is still pending. Germet (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Mr Thant (London Connections) created a map. Germet (talk) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heathrow location 

message: I can't find any mention of the battery life anywhere. How long does a charge last and how long does it take to recharge? This could be ULTRa's biggest problem - too many vehicles waiting to be recharged.173.58.251.147 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 02:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batteries 

message: DrFrench recently renamed the article and all mentions of "ULTra" to "Ultra", citing the MOS, but the MOS says mixed-case trademarks are a decision left to editor discretion, and I believe it was better with mixed case. ULTra is short for "Urban Light Transport", so the name ULTra is actually more of an acronym than a simple trademark. We wouldn't write Ibm or At&t, and I don't think this should be Ultra.
If there are no objections in the next few days, I will change it back. ATren (talk) 02:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: Well, spring of 2010 came and went and obviously the service has not opened. Has anyone heard of the latest scheduled opening? Some googling revealed nothing. Vectro (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now Autumn 2010 and still no sign of an opening. This is not good.173.58.64.64 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest schedule 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to change non-standard capitalization. Some disagreement over the new title, so a new move request can be started to change to other alternative per WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ULTra (rapid transit) →  – Per MOS:TM, follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the company considers the name preference official. We should revert to that name. Aitraintheeditorandgamer (talk) 23:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relisting for clearer consensus. BD2412 T 02:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That alternative seems worth considering. It's WP:NATURAL and does not narrow the scope. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 March 2024 

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Ultra (personal rapid transit) (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 06:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultra (rapid transit) →  – More WP:NATURAL and more clear than the current title. This was suggested without objection in the RM that was just closed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose Ultra pod transit system. It doesn't seem to be a name used for the company or in any of the titles in the references. Darrelljon (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is primarily focused on the transit system. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any references using this name 'Ultra pod transit system'? Darrelljon (talk) 22:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a descriptive title about a transit system composed of Ultra pods not intended as an exact name of a particular system. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction states it is a type of personal rapid transit. What is 'ultra' about this transit system? Darrelljon (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe read the article? YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Specifically, Ultra is the (short) name of the company that makes the pods used in this transit system. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 11:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Rapid transit, WikiProject UK Railways, WikiProject London Transport, and WikiProject Trains have been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 15:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that guidance is just to avoid creating new choices of proper name titles. In contrast, WP:NDESC says that descriptive titles "are often invented specifically for articles". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the prefix 'Ultra' seems to be just a promotional prefix if the article is supposed to be a general description of a system other than just one company. Darrelljon (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not trying to describe a generic type of system made by any company; it is just describing the system(s) made by this company. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

text: @Darrelljon If we followed your logic we'd just have an article at car and nothing for any particular models. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I can get behind that. Much more descriptive and natural. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 01:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Relative to the current title, isn't that just adding an unnecessary word in the parentheses? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @BarrelProof absolutely agree. Can't support alt. Also 'rapid' might be considered a weasel word. YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. "Rapid" seems like a weasel word, despite being commonly used. Deleting it usually doesn't alter the real meaning. Calling something a "rapid transit system" doesn't mean it's any faster than calling it a "transit system". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The alternative would be just as "wordy" and less "natural" because of the parenthesis. Per WP:AT, a natural  Cinderella157 (talk) 22:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Please elaborate. "Rapid transit" is a common term used for these systems because, more often than not, they're faster than other forms of transit, like walking or driving a car. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The "because" part seems unproven. I suspect it is a common term used for these systems because it can help give people the impression that they are rapid. We also drive cars and bicycles because they are more rapid than walking, but we don't feel the need call them "rapid cars" and "rapid bicycles". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: Parentheses is better to avoid mixing two different types of name. Darrelljon (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Support Ultra (personal rapid transit) as the best option proposed. The "Ultra" part is not in dispute, and "personal rapid transit" is a standard term for this type of system. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 April 2024