Talk:Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine

message: I'm changing the category from "Arizona landmarks." It can't be a landmark because no one knows where it is or was. There is some dispute as to whether it ever existed. Maurreen 03:36, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: My recollection is, Waltz was most likely fencing gold "high-graded" (stolen by miners) from Henry Wickenburg's Vulture mine, which was notorious for being poorly-managed. If memory serves, a fellow-geologist saw a specimen of the Dutchman's gold many years later, and positively identified it as Vulture gold.
Sometime when time and energy permit, I'll research this and post references. But the story has the ring of truth:  Waltz needed a convincing story to account for the stolen gold, and variants of this story were used in other districts (eg Goldfield, Nevada) where "high-grading" was common.
18:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stolen gold theory

message: The last paragraph of the Historical Jacob Waltz section claims that Waltz's descendents are searching for their "rightful inheiritance."  First, I am not aware that Waltz had any children.  Second, because Waltz never patented his mine, any mining claim he might have had would be automatically forfeited more than a hundred years ago, after the first year of not being worked.  So there is no "rightful inheiritance".  The Waltz mine - if there is one - is up for grabs. Plazak 00:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one came up with a citation for this statement, so I removed it.Plazak 04:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Jacob Waltz' mine is in the Superstitions, it isn't "up for grabs", since the entire area has been designated a wilderness area. —QuicksilverT @ 22:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waltz's "descendants" 

message: I have played an orchestra song called Phantom Dance, which was made because of this mine. Sources here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rct2guy (talk • contribs) 03:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Phantom Dance

message: There are many article about the Lost Dutchman mine on the Internet and this article seems to ignore them.  Many people have done considerable research into the mine.  This research includes finding, tracking and translating Spanish Land Grants to the Peralta family.  There are gold assay reports on the ore that several people brought in for exchange.  These sources are not mentioned pro or con in this article.  I have explored the area both on foot and on horseback.  My goal was geological familiarization of the general Southwest region of the U.S.  I have, like all tourists, read many of the popular books about the mine.  I also know people who have done the research into the land grants, earthquakes and legends concerning the mine.  Most if not all of these are ommitted from the article.  I would like to see someone with a real interest in factually describing the mine and its legend try to organize the data available and present it in a more complete form.
Of course that research might discount many of the standard theories and stories about the mine but I believe that these theories and stories bear consideration in any article about something so interesting.  There is an old saying "gold is where you find it."Paladin123 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 08:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite published sources, put the information in.  However, that you "know people who have done the research" is not sufficient documentation.  Wikipedia is not the place for original research.  Plazak (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much is missing from the article 

message: Who is Robert Blair? It briefly mentions his full name at the top but then throughout the entire article chimes in with "Although Blair says", "Blair, however thinks" and "Blair says"...it doesn't even say anything about who this guy is or what his qualifications are. There's no article about him and all I can find online is that he wrote some books about mines, not even very well known books at least. Oh and I just checked the citations, none of them actually link to anything and when I search "Tales of the Superstitions: The Origins of the Lost Dutchman Legend. Tempe: Arizona Historical Foundation" (The actual title of the book, unlike what is written in the citation.) All I get are links to pages that sell the book or other pages that have cited it (No independent review or authorization.). It's almost as though Blair himself edited the page and inserted his own opinion wherever possible to attract attention to his crappy books. Someone please find some CONCRETE evidence of who this guy is and why we should care what he thinks. Thank you --Rpm2004 (talk) 01:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Blair

message: i hVE SEEN THE LOST DUTCHMANS MINE IN REAL LIFE, I WENT TO THE SUPERS IN 1997 AND WAS TAKIN STRATE TO IT.  AT FIRST I DIDNT RELIZE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. BUT AFTER A WHILE OF LOOKING AROUND, I RELIZED THAT I WAS LOOKING AT CAVES THAT WEAR SUROUNDED BY A BRICK WALK WAY.  I FOUND GERONAMOS CAVE THAT WAS COVERED BY A LITTLE HOUSE WITH A WINDOW AT THE BOTTOM, THE HOUSE WAS HANGING FROM THE TOP OF THE CAVE AND THERE WERE BOULDERS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE CAVE SO IT WAS HARD TO DISERN BETWEEN THE MOUNTAIN AND THE CAVE.  THEN I WALKED OVER A BRICK TRAIL THAT I DIDNT RELIZE WAS THE TOP OF THE PERALTA MINE UNTIL I STUCK MY FINGER IN AN ETCHING AND SAW THAT THE WORDS PERALTA MINE WAS ETCHED INTO THE MOUNTAIN ABOUT THREE FEET ABOVE THE BRICKS I WAS WALKING ON. THAT CAVE IS COVERED BY A GIANT CHRISTMAS TREE IN FRONT OF IT.THEN I CAME TO A HOUSE THAT WAS BROKEN WITH NO ROOF MADE OUT OF CLAY. I TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK INFRONT OF THE PERALTA CAVE THAT I COULDNT SEE BECOUSE OF THE FOREST IN FRONT OF IT.  PAST THAT I CAME TO THE LOST DUTCHMANS MINE CACHE WITCH IS A PERFECT CIRCLE THAT LOOKS LIKE A RED ROCK IN THE SIDE OF WHITE ROCK. THE MINE IS ON A LEDGE THAT IS ABOUT FIVE FEET HIGH ABOUT THIRTY FEET BACK COVERD BY ROCKS. IN BETWEEN GERONIMOS CAVE AND THE PERALTA CAVE. GOING UP ACROSS THE WAY FROM THE LEDGE THERES A PATH THAT LEADS TO A ROCK STAIR CASE THAT LEADS IN AND OUT OF THIS PLACE, THE PATH WAS MADE OF BRICKS AND HAD BRICK LEDGES ABOUT THREE FEET HIGH ON BOTH SIDES. EVERY SO OFTEN THERE WAS A SPOT WERE YOU COULD STEP TO THE SIDE SO OTHERS COULD PASS BY. I NOTICED THAT THE BRICKS WERE LAID LIKE A PROFESSIONAL DID IT, I THOUGHT THAT THE RANGERS HAD DONE IT UNTIL I NOTICED THE CAVES, THERE WERE SIX OF THEM AND THEY LOOKED LIKE THE MOUNTAIN EXCEPT FOR THE BRICKS THAT OUTLINED THEM, I WALKED INTO ONE OF THE PORCHES THAT WAS IN FRONT OF EACH,AND PULLED A BRICK FROM THE OUTLINE IN THE MOUNTAIN AND SAW THAT THERE WAS AN INCH OR TWO OF CLAY THEN THERE WAS HAY BETWEEN THAT. I RELIZED IT WAS A CAVE AND I WAS GOING TO YELL OR SOMETHING,WHEN I HEARD A GUN SHOT AND DECIDED TO WAIT AND BRING SOMEONE BACK WITH ME AND STAKE A CLAIM.  THAT DIDNT HAPPEN AND ITS BEEN SIXTEEN YEARS AND TWO KIDS LATTER WHEN I WENT BACK, SOMETHING STEPED ON MY FOOT WHEN I STEPED INTO THE SHADOW AT THE BASE OF THE ROCK STAIR CASE TO GO IN AND IT STOOD IN FRONT OF ME SO THAT I COULDNT SEE THE ROCKS AND I FORGOT WHAT I WAS DOING FOR AWHILE WHEN I CAME BACK BY IT I COULDNT GET MY FREINDS TO GO IN WITH ME. SO IM STILL TRYING TO GET BACK TO IT.  I SUMMIT THAT ALL THE TREASURE IS HIDDEN IN THE SAME AREA WITHEN A MOUNTAIN AT THE CORNER OF A BIG RIVER BED AND A SMALL RIVER BED IN BETWEEN TO BIGGER MOUNTAINS ON EITHER SIDE. THERE IS ANOTHER TRAIL NEXT TO THE STAIR CASE THAT IS EASIER TO USE, AND FASTER TO GET IN.  A PINACLE IS SHADING THE AREA AND BAC THEN IT USED TO BE CLIMBED ALOT BEFORE THEY STOPED LETTING YOU PUT NEW STAKES IN...BY ROBIN BIRD, THE WOMAN WHO WENT TO THE DESERT AND GOT HIT BY A BLIZZERD.  1-30-2014  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.244.244.61 (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE LOST DUTCHMAN MINE 

message: Included a brief change to the explanation of the term "Dutch": it is not a loanword from German, but rather the native English form of the German term "Deutsch", as further explained in this article.--67.175.85.9 (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch

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message: Southwestern singer songwriter Ed Putney born in Arizona now lives in Wyoming 2600:100E:B0AA:F18A:74D1:6D8E:64DB:5BEF (talk) 06:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Legend of Jacob Waltz    A song written by Ed Putney