Talk:Stonyhurst College

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Orexis bouleutike (talk) 23:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a talk archive on a separate page: Talk:Stonyhurst College/Archive 1. --Snigbrook (talk) 23:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: I'm sorry, but I am quick failing the GA nom of this article for inadequate referencing. There are entire paragraphs and sections without references. Please fully reference the article before re-nomination. Thanks. Nikki311 00:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA fail

message: * WikiProject Schools: Looks solidly-written and well-referenced with plenty of references and pictures. All it needs to be GA is a review request. Adam McCormick (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: According to Hewitson, Stonyhurst College, Present and Past (1878, Fishergate, Preston), page 265, among Stonyhurst's alumni is a man named Lieutenant General Hon. Henry Hugh Clifford VC CB. He won the Victoria Cross for gallant conduct at the Battle of Inkerman in the Crimean War. Either the author has confused him with the other Hugh Clifford who went to Stonyhurst and made a mistake, or the College has a forgotten VC winner. I've looked him up on the internet but cannot find any mention of his schooling. The family appears to have had strong links to the school and is related to the Weld family (grandson of Thomas Weld, benefactor of Stonyhurst - so likely that he would be schooled there). Can anyone clear this up?  I may contact the Association office or Mrs Graffius, the curator, about this (when I get chance).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.197.117 (talk) 10:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eighth Victoria Cross Winner?!

message: I've added the ones I know. Could someone plese fill in the rest.
86.156.197.117 (talk) 11:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Classroom Names

message: I have upgraded this article to high importance which brings it on a par with Ampleforth College. As a leading Catholic school with important alumni the school easily justifies the high importance rating. Dahliarose (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance rating

message: I have had to re-correct the question of Lancashire being a Roman Catholic County.  I have demonstrated above [see archive of this page] that Lancashire was not a catholic county or predominantly a catholic county whatever Muir says -see the 1851 religious returns.
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Lancashire may not have had a majority Catholic population. The idea is that the locality in which Stonyhurst lies did have a strong Catholic presence, whether or not the county as a whole did is not the issue. In any case the majority of Lancashire's population lived in the growing south - Manchester/Liverpool area, which is very different to the rural area around Stonyhurst. I have looked at your comments above, but I still cannot see how it affects the area where Stonyhurst is. I don't think Muir is just talking about the 19th Century. John de Bayley was licensed to have an oratory on the site in the C14th - the area's Catholic history goes back a long way!
Orexis bouleutike (talk) 00:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction

message: I have been splitting the article as it has become too long. The new articles form the Stonyhurst College series. I am aware that the summaries I have left in place of the previous material are somewhat inadequate, so please do improve upon them, but note that all the information which was there has been moved to a new location - it has not been deleted. This also enables further expansion, especially to the history section, which I intend to contribute to myself over the summer.
Orexis bouleutike (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting and Summarising

message: I was very interested to read an article on the Stonyhurst website about its observatory, more so when I recognised the wording and realised that the observatory's potted history had been lifted directly from this page (compare the dates). Is that allowed?
http://www.stonyhurst.ac.uk/article_1138.shtml
Orexis bouleutike (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes ... anyone can copy wikipedia ... its what it is for! But wikipedia cannot take others work and present it as original or infringe others copyright Victuallers (talk) 14:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stonyhurst Website copies Wikipedia article!

message: #In a recent article of Edward Oldcorne it says "Oldcorne's portrait, painted after his death for the Gesù, survived,". What is Gesu? Is this the Jesuits? The quote is from the Catholic encyclopedia of 1913.
#Do you have that portrait of Father Oldcorne or do you know where it is? I notice you say that you have one of Henry Garnet or Ralph Ashley etc. - Is it possible to get photo's of these? Could they be loaded on wikipedia?
#Brilliant school wikipedia articles - I see you have not made GA yet .... but you will! (I have seen literally 100s of school articles). Oh and I think the importance id wrong. You are not High but Top. Victuallers (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some requests

message: Although the article has seemingly improved greatly since its last GAC nom, especially in regards to its sourcing, there is a problem with the current citations in that most of them are not formatted properly per WP:CITE.  Pertinent information is missing from a majority of the citations, including but not limited to author, publisher, published date and access date.  For examples of citation templates (which are not required but very useful), see WP:CITET.  Also, are the works listed under "Sources" used as sources?  If so, they need to be cited specifically (including necessary information described above).  If they are not used, the section should be renamed "Further reading".  These issues need to be taken care of in order for the article to be promoted to GA-class. María (habla conmigo) 18:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-GAC review comment

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Orexis bouleutike (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Stonyhurst College

message: This article is far too long for what is, frankly a second division public school. Stonyhurst College is not an Eton, Harrow, Bedales, Winchester etc. and yet it has an article far longer than any of these more prominent schools - even Downside and Ampleforth - the other major Catholic British public schools have much shorter articles despite being more famous - someone please rectify this!     —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyaubreydevito (talk • contribs) 18:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the onus is on the editors of the articles for those schools to improve them? Why should this be shortened? This is a source of information; isn't that what an encyclopaedia is meant to be? And who are you to judge what makes a good/famous school? 94.197.242.248 (talk) 22:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Look mate, I realise that I am probably chatting to someone associated with the school, hence your stance but I must reiterate that the length of this article superficially suggests that the institution has a high level of notoriety - which simply isn't true. I don't want you to take my word for it, but instead please refer to the Tatler good schools guide 2010. This guide is considered to be the definitive source for judging a schools prestige and, Stonyhurst is not present in the latest edition, nor indeed in any other edition I can recall. If you follow the link you will see my point: http://guides.tatler.co.uk/WCS/Schools/2010/ Of course long articles are good but everything should be put in perspective and for Stonyhurst to have an entry longer than Eton's is bizarre, for what is currently, not a 'premier league' public school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.34.95 (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how Wikipedia works. I'm sure you can find short articles on important subjects and long articles on trivial subjects. Length of article does not indicate importance. If there is specific information in this article you think is non-encyclopaedic or non-notable, please identify it. Otherwise, if you think the Eton article should be longer than this article (e.g.), go and add to the Eton article. -- Dr Greg  talk  15:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Too long

message: Beaumont College is said to be a sister school, although it closed down in 1967.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "formerly" has now been added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.109.117 (talk) 15:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The sister school has disappeared now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.251.193 (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister school 

message: Morton seems to have died a natural death in 1500.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 11:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: At present there is a discussion relating to the renaming of this category. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at this discussion page. Please note that the discussion is not a majority vote so contributions should be based on Wikipedia policies and independent sources. Cjc13 (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Old Stonyhursts rename 

message: In undertaking some casual copyediting in the Libraries subsection here, I saw one of those inappropriate news items by which Wikipedia is too often distorted:"The Stonyhurst copy of the Chronicles of Jean Froissart, captured at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, are currently on loan to the Royal Armouries in Leeds, where they are the centrepiece of a new exhibition." A quick search revealed that the subject exhibition ended on 6 April 2008. The particular edit was made on 28 January 2008, meaning that the misinformation had been published for nearly four years. For God's sake, where were the people who have this article on their watchlist? Have the administrators never considered banning edits using the word "currently", which is, of course, a nonsense in a non-static, undated non-paper encyclopedia? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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