Talk:Great Vowel Shift

message: What about 'long u' (u:)? As in, rude, or dune. s that vowell not pronounced pretty much the same way that it was in middle English? At most there are some slight dipthonging variations in some dialects, but those aren't great vowellshift related...
Firejuggler86 (talk) 20:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're saying here that /u:/ mūs became /aʊ/ mouse. Wolfdog (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "*all* middle English long vowels were changed"? 

message: The common thread is more or less, how do we know if the GVS happened at all, and then continue to go from there, kind of agitating each other ('raging anglo-autistic folly'). Superior british edusys? But help is on the way. 
Consider the fact that english developped from a merger of 'german' and 'french' (which may well have been the cause for the subsequent GVS). Then see how the vowels are being pronounced in most european languages. There are even words in english that have retained the pre-GVS sound, like (A-E-I-O-U) dunce-ten-sin-ton-bush 
But you need to differentiate: The vowels appear in short syllables (like in these five examples) and are then spoken 'open', or in long syllables and spoken 'closed'. Example for sound A: dunce - dance; sound I: sin - seen; sound U: bush - rouge. The first word is short/open, the second long/closed. 
Do you feel the principle? You will need to, because this is the way to solve the issue with non-existing (in english) long E and O: by extrapolating from the three examples just given. E: Try ten (short/open) and form a fictitious word with a long/closed sound. O: Ditto, parting from ton. 
Until here I avoided to use the IPA script, although quite clearly it would help to show the difference between short/open and long/closed. Thus for the sake of completeness - again first short/open, then long closed: 
A    [a] [aː]           	
E    [ɛ] [eː]                
I    [ɪ] [iː]
O    [ɔ] [oː]             
U    [ʊ] [uː]       
So don't worry about all the other IPA signs you may see, these are the ones you need for the vowels. 
Caveat: This little article is written as a 'popular-scientific' essay, cutting out extreme accuracy in the interest of making the issue more widely understandable. Let's make sure we do see the wood for the trees! Contorista (talk) 09:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is bunch of nearly impenetrable ranting. Try getting to the point very clearly and without invective. And we're not really in a position to take linguistic advice from someone who confuses the Anglo-Saxon dialects with German. They're both German language, but that's like confusing Old French with Romanian just because they're both Romance languages. Ultimately, though, none of what you say here is of any interest to anyone without reliable sources that very specifically back up all of the claims you are making. Wikipedia is not a place for your own novel ideas like what might have lead to the GVS and whether particular sound changes pertain to syllable length. Wikipedia and its editors are not here "to solve the issue" of any question about this subject. Previously published reliable sources that we refer to are what "solve the issue"; we simply report on their solution. If they don't provide one, then we cannot either. If you don't already understand this about Wikipedia, you may be at the wrong site and should maybe be posting your novel opinions on a blog or in social media.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:18, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that really so? You have refuted not even one of my arguments. Instead, you sound aroused in authoritarianism. Such a performance would be unsuitable and embarassing even if you were much older than you seem to be    .) Contorista (talk) 09:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The linguistic knowledge level displayed by some of the commentariat here is truly remarkable