Talk:Prime Minister of India

message: Article 1(1) of constitution clearly mentions - India, that is Bharat. Also government website like this one mentions "India, also known as Bharat...."
 
So, Why should not the word Bharat be included here? Some people refer it as jingoism, a question can be posed- is calling the motherland by its original name jingoism?
:See WP:COMMONNAME. puru brahmpal singh rahav. Your edits in other articles are the equivalent of adding "America U.S.A.". --NeilN talk to me 14:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the nation  

message: I need to edit this wikipedia page because the prime minister of India is Narender Modi right now
182.160.108.82 (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He will be, but after 26 May. Thanks. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ  13:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Prime minister of india is changed - its now Narendra MODI
Abishekwiki (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

text: The new PM of India has changed as of 5 minutes ago.
2605:E000:130C:4066:C592:D880:C290:3E06 (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

text: See WP:CRYSTAL Nthep (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 24 May 2014 

message: An administrator will come by and make the edit. Please be patient. --NeilN talk to me 13:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not add any more edit requests 

message: Interested Users  are invited to give their individual opinion about this Redirect Butcher of Gujarat which is directed at this page Narendra Modi. You can give your opinion here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_21#Butcher_of_Gujarat 
--C E (talk) 08:57, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion is now closed.  Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects for discussion

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: 47.31.64.140 (talk) 17:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018 

message: India has no state emblem. It has national emblem. The idea of state in UK and US  is very different than India. Pranav jung (talk) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Emblem 

message: Exceedingly awaited visit of Honourable Indian prime Minister Narandra Modi to Bangladesh on the occasion of Mujib100 ceremony was cancelledhttps://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/mujib-borsho-celebrations-modi-join-thru-video-conference-1879456 due to worldwide corona virus crisis https://www.kolkata24x7.com/modis-bangladesh-tour-cancelled-over-corona-virus-fear/ that rested people of Bangladesh in deepest sorrow & sadness. RashidHumayu (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2020 

message: In this section there is a sentence "After V. P. Singh's resignation, Chandra Shekhar—home minister in Singh's cabinet—along with ".
This is factually incorrect because  Chandra Sekhar was not Home Minister in V P sing's cabinet, it was Mufti Mohammad Sayeed. Infact Chandra Sekhar was never a minister in any cabinet prior to becoming the PM of India.
He assumed Priministership on 10 November 1990, and its the same date when he took charge of Home Ministry.
A correction in need in this section removing the phrase "home minister in Singh's cabinet"
Reference :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Home_Affairs_(India)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._P._Singh_ministry  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpspeaking (talk • contribs) 18:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right as this contemporaneous article also highlights. Thanks for pointing it out! Abecedare (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction in the section 1984–1999 

message: Fron:
In addition, former prime ministers rank seventh on the Indian order of precedence, equivalent to chief ministers of states (within their respective states) and cabinet ministers As a former member of the parliament, the prime minister receives a minimum pension of  per month, plus—if he/she served as an MP for more than five years— for every year served.
To: 
In addition, former prime ministers rank seventh on the Indian order of precedence, equivalent to chief ministers of states (within their respective states) and cabinet ministers As a former member of the parliament, the prime minister receives a minimum pension of  per month, plus—if he/she served as an MP for more than five years— for every year served. 117.201.85.67 (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Numbers are from 2015, and it seems like those numbers have changed. An update would be appreciated. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2020 

message: The article is about an official post so I think it should have the image of the official portrait of the incumbent. So I make bold to update it with the latest. Appu (talk) 17:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating the image to the latest 

message: I made a bold move to change the description of the article from the Leader of the Executives of the Government of India to the Head of the Government. Because the PM is not just the executive leader but also by default the Leader of the House in Lok Sabha which is the most important part of the supreme legislative body, Parliament of India. Hence the Prime Minister is more than just the leader of 'executives'. Appu (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold move 

message: The president although nominal is the head of government. There is nothing that contradicts this in the constitution. Instead, Prime minister is defined as the head of council of ministers. "There shall be a Council of Ministers with the Prime Minister at the head to aid and advise the President who shall, in the exercise of his functions, act in accordance with such advice" 
That is why I have edited the short description. Thanks Appu (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Government" is commonly used as a synonym of the executive branch (as in "Modi's government", etc.). The role of WP:SHORTDESC is to help the reader identify the correct article; and not to engage in constitutional debates. Explaining "Prime Minister of India" as "Head of the Council of Ministers of India" is a classic example of ignotum per ignotius. I've restored the no-nonsense definition as "Head of the government in India". — kashmīrī TALK 17:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Appu (talk) 18:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  President is the nominal head of government 

message: I just reverted a series of edits by AtishT20 that significantly changed the article lede. To expand upon the explanation I gave in my edit-summary:
* there may be some merit in simplifying the lede. For example:
** reducing the redundancy within "The prime minister is the leader elected by the party with a majority in the lower house of the Indian parliament, the Lok Sabha, which is the main legislative body in the Republic of India.[10] The prime minister and their cabinet are at all times responsible to the Lok Sabha....however the prime minister has to enjoy the confidence of the majority of Lok Sabha members, who are directly elected every five years, lest the prime minister shall resign. " (and 'lest'?)
** Some of the references may be movable to the article body, since wikipedia guidelines don't really require the lede to have inline citations.
That said:
* Any reference should be deleted from the lede only after ensuring that it, or a equally strong reference, is cited for the corresponding statement in the article body.
* Some of the new language was IMO overly-casual, for example
** Calling the president "nominal head of the executive branch" rather than sticking with standard verbiage of  "constitutional head of state"
** calling the PM "leader of the Union Council of Ministers". IIRC the PM is supposed to be primus inter pares among in council of ministers. My recollection may be faulty, and its arguable whether this is (still) true in practice, but effort must be made to see what the sources say and make sure we reflect that.
That's just a few examples. And I do have some questions regarding even the current lede (is it the PM or is it the council of minister that "need to enjoy the confidence of the majority of Lok Sabha members" etc; how do the sources phrase it?), which too can be discussed.
  can you explain the thoughts behind your various changes so that we can discuss and gain consensus over what should be retained? Abecedare (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: By 'main body' are you referring to the article lede or the part (ie, rest) of the article that follows it? Also, per WP:BRD, it would be best to discuss the proposed changes here so that we don't get stuck in a revert cycle. Abecedare (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lede edits 

message: An editor  has changed the official Hindi name in the infobox in this edit and removed the previous version with the edit summary, ("No citation required. Hindi term for "Indian Prime minister" is more appropriate than "Prime minister of India") 
The page name in the Hindi Wikipedia is:  भारत का प्रधानमन्त्री (Google Translate: Prime Minister of India, and reverse from English to Hindi) and the Infobox title is प्रधान मन्त्री, भारत (Prime Minister, India, both ways).  The Hindi WP article begins with भारत गणराज्य के प्रधानमंत्री (Google Translate: Prime Minister of the Republic of India, both ways).  NiOm's translation  भारतीय प्रधानमंत्री, as they themselves state, seems to be that of "Indian Prime Minister" (Google Translate, both ways). We obviously can't decide what is the appropriate name and make such major and conspicuous changes without having substantial support in the majority of reliable sources. I will accordingly be reverting their edit.  Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the Hindi analog of 'Prime Minister of India' included in the infobox at all? I could at least understand if we were talking about intrinsically Hindi terms such as Lok Sabha where the IAST would provide the pronunciation but don't see any such justification here. Abecedare (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The removal of Hindi has my vote. I have no idea why it is there, but it is only one in a long line of bells and whistles in the infobox—the bigger Indian emblem, the emblem in shining gold, the better-looking picture of Modi, the expression "de facto," and the bigger flag—that Aatish20 has chosen to edit war over on this page and the List of Indian PMs.  They were doing this long before I was invited to review the List by DaxServer and I accepted. The Hindi was likely there before, but Aatsh20 has certainly made it conspicuous.  See my user talk page and their posts there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is an excuse to blame AtishT20 (his name is AtishT20 not 'Aatish20' or 'Aatsh20' as you state). Yes his edits have been disruptive but that's not what we are discussing here. It wasn't him who added the Hindi to the infobox but rather he changed the Hindi which was wrong in the box. So let's focus on that instead and deal with him another time! 82.37.162.122 (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindi name in the infobox