Talk:John Matuszak

message: I changed "Matuszak's character Sloth wears an Oakland Raiders shirt throughout the movie" to that he wears it in some scenes. I just watched the last hour of the film and Matuszak only wore a superman t-shirt. So my guess is that the Oakland Raiders shirt was in earlier scenes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.147.76 (talk) 12:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: Any healthy, athletic guy born in 1950 was prime fodder for the Vietnam draft.   Most athletes were able to dodge the draft.   Was Matuszk too tall to be drafted at 6'8"?   Or did he
find some other way to avoid it?   For a healthy guy born in 1950, no other issue was as important in the late 1960s.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 22:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bio Info 

message: Article has been tagged for needing sources long-term. Feel free to reinsert the below material with appropriate references. DonIago (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: About this dispute , if something is challenged someone needs to provide a source. While it's sometimes useful to use a  tag, or even just to leave info which is unsourced; ultimately if another editor in good faith believes unsourced info needs to be removed, the way out of the dispute over sourcing is not to assert superiority as a retired admin or to incorrectly claim basic info does not need to be sourced, but to actually provide a source. 
This source  was provided on an editor's talk page but while it supports Matuszak signing with the Raiders, it does not make it clear when they did so and does not say anything about the Redskins. 
It also mentions he was involved in two Superbowl campaigns with them in 1977 and 1981 which from what I can tell, is consistent with XI and XV so per WP:CALC is probably fair enough to support his involvement. Whether he "helped" them win is a far trickier thing. While the normal assumption would be that anyone involved can be said to have help a team win, there may be cases where someone was considered to have actually been more damaging to a team than a help. 
The source does include a quote from the owner of the team, but frankly that's just one person's opinion and coming just after his death is not really the best source. We could attribute the opinion of his contribution, but we are going to include it in wikivoice, we really need a source which establishes it's well accepted that the person made enough contribution that they can be said to have "helped". 
IMO the simplest solution is to simply use neutral language, but still if someone does provide a source, they're welcome to add back the older or similar wording. 
For clarity, this source doesn't seem to mention the Matuszak . This source does  but frankly does an even worse job of establishing Matuszak helped them win their Superbowls (it only even mentions one). Neither seem to mention the Redskins or precisely when Matuszak signed. 
This source was also provided  but knowing next to nothing about American football I have no idea if it's an WP:RS. It does seem that the author Jonathan Rand may not be notable. OTOH, the publisher Rowman & Littlefield at least seems to be known for publishing scholarly books, but also trade books. Frankly it seems to me that it's a moot point since again, it seems worse establishing Matuszak helped the Raiders win either Super Bowl. 
Nil Einne (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added back the Redskins part and when he signed for the Raiders with some minor additional details , after finding a new ref from some quick searching. As it turns out, this ref also supports him helping them win those Super Bowls so I've added that back too. (Frankly as an obituary even if from the Washington Post it isn't the best source, but it's such a minor detail it's IMO not worth worrying about.) I initially thought the UPI ref wasn't needed anymore but actually the Washington Post ref I found doesn't seem to mention him spending the entirety of the 1982 season on injured reserve. So both are needed for that material. This whole mess could have been avoided if people didn't think being a retired admin excluded them from the need to provide refs, or if they at least made sure the refs they provided actually supported the disputed content but whatever I guess. Nil Einne (talk) 10:53, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the assistance Nil! I was planning to review the sources the IP had provided but wasn't comfortable doing so while there was an open ANI case. DonIago (talk) 14:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced info