Talk:Kjell Inge Røkke

message: Røkke can in my opinion not be listed as a criminal, and as the user that has changed the content of the article has not engaged in discussing it before he added it I have listed the article on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard so it can be checked and corrected. Ulflarsen (talk) 15:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography#Kjell Inge Røkke. __meco (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep this discussion here rather than expanding it to other pages. That will ensure relevant discussions, edits, etc. are available to future editors. momoricks (make my day) 00:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I suggest soliciting more opinions from WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography. The one person who added their voice certainly did not support the categorizing of Røkke as a criminal. __meco (talk) 07:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to correct myself. From the response on the WikiProject talk page, User:Wildhartlivie did not appear to support the use of this infobox, however, I now see that this user has been reinstating the contentious infobox. More opinions and a substantive discussion still is wanting though. __meco (talk) 07:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Personally, I'm neutral. As long as we apply the same standard to this article as we do to every other biography on Wikipedia I can live with it. The problem seems to be to dig up some precedents to compare with. I propose we remove the infobox/categories out of BLP caution and only introduce them to the article when and if a consensus has formed to do so. __meco (talk) 10:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: The use of "infobox criminal" is simply hilarious, but seriously, this is far off in a biography. Its like writing about speed driving, or perhaps who did, or did not, inhale… Throw it out, it has nothing to do in a biography. Jeblad (talk) 12:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not a trivial offence. He bribed a public official. That is rather serious. The fact that he did it to obtain something trivial (a skipper licence so he could navigate his large pleasure craft) and not some financial advantage doesn't change that, although I suspect the offence was more serious for the person who accepted the bribe. __meco (talk) 12:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree that bribing an official is not a trivial offence. But in light of the sentence the judge must have believed that his actions were somehow not that serious as he got a total of 120 days, and only 30 of them in jail. If the bribing had a connection to his business it would in my opinion been different, but that was not the case. One should also remember that Røkke is a fisherman with many years expericence, that he could not legally skipper his boat while a 16 year old kid can skipper a boat a couple meters shorter is also part of the picture and possibly something the judge took into consideration in handing down such a mild verdict. Ulflarsen (talk) 13:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I think that the prisoner/detainee categorization is a different matter. It may or may not be judged on par with the categorization as a criminal. __meco (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree; it is a different matter.  However, in my judgment, the absurdity thereof is indeed on par with that of the categorization as a criminal.  If its contentiousness also turns out to be on par, I'll eventually find time to write up a more solid argument; for now I'm hoping comparison with Hilton and King will do. — the Sidhekin (talk) 13:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am actually somewhat surprised that we are having this discussion now – that these inclusion criteria haven't been succinctly and uniformly described long ago following a thorough discussion of a general nature, not in relation to one contentious biography. __meco (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: As there appears to be consensus on the issue not to have it I have removed it. __meco (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: This four-fold requirement is interesting and obviously very useful in this case. I also applied it to remove the categorization as a criminal of Nawaz Sharif, the former Pakistani prime minister who was convicted of hijacking an airplane. I think for future discussions these two biographies should both be considered. __meco (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was reverted. See Talk:Nawaz Sharif#Categozation as criminal removed. __meco (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Røkke is no criminal, added article to noticeboard 

message: I post here a recent article describing that Røkke is predisposed to present himself in a very immature, and often threatening, manner when things are not going the way he wants them to. It may be regarded as an opinion piece, however it is written by Aftenposten's Moscow correspondent who, according to his own say-so spent a decade basically chronicling Røkke's career. BLP issues suggest to me this nevertheless is insufficient for using it to reference any additions of negative details about Røkke's personality. If other sources attesting to the same should surface, however, this may become a viable topic for article inclusion. __meco (talk) 10:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Another article which follows up on this. __meco (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temper tantrums 

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