Talk:Carcinoma

message: Fasterfester 17:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi

message: User:Nqn removed virtually all content of the page without a good reason. I have reverted this and asked what he was thinking. JFW | T@lk 17:10, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: Is it just me or is this page completely unreadable? I'm sure it doesn't need that many links. This page needs a complete do-over imho. Stealth Wilde (talk) 09:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: (Browneee (talk) 18:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carcinoma External Link to Add 

message: "Many people get frightened when they hear the word cancer. Cancer unfortunately is a common illness in our society. Cells in almost every part of the body can become cancerous. While cancer is a disease of old age, children can also develop certain cancers. [8]
There are many types of cancers that affect different parts of our body. While we do know what causes some cancers, (e.g. sun causes skin cancers or that smoking can cause lung cancers), for the vast majority of cancers the cause remains unknown. All we know is that cancers represent cells that have lost the ability to die and continue to proliferate."
This reads like it came out of a children's book.  Not sure if it was taken from somewhere somewhere else, but the sources cited don't seem to have much of direct connection to the material.
Punctum (talk) 23:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone / Viewpoint in the Last Section ("Differentiated carcinoma") 

message: What do you think about putting all the staging/grading/types/variants/ICD codes under ==Classification of carcinomas==, and putting most of what's currently in that section under ==Classification of malignancies== (i.e., that there are things that aren't carcinomas)?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: This article talks about Ductal Carcinoma in Situ not being considered "cancer". If this is true (mammary ductal carcinoma says otherwise) does it make sense to define "carcinoma" the way this article does?--Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the Carcinoma#Carcinoma In situ section carefully?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carcinoma == Cancer? 

message: See the previous section - it's that time of year again clearly - and the discussion here at the Cervix PR.  Currently we have the following (my bolds): 
*Here at Carcinoma, the very short lead begins: "Carcinoma (from the Greek karkinos, or "crab", and -oma, "growth") is a type of cancer that develops from epithelial cells.[1] Put simply, a carcinoma is a cancer that begins in a tissue that lines the inner or outer surfaces of the body,....".  Lower down the Carcinoma in situ sections reads, in its entirety: "The term carcinoma in situ (or CIS) is a term for cells that are significantly abnormal but not cancer.[6] They are thus not typically carcinomas.[7]" - should that be "not typical of carcinomas" btw? Wiki CRUK John (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Carcinoma in-situs" are not in fact carcinomas except maybe DCIS so "not typically carcinomas" is correct. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: but terminally unclear then; and this should be in the lead also. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup this is the controversial one. Some say cancer some say not cancer. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The proper term is DCIS. I have fixed the situation. "intraductal carcinoma" is not a carcinoma or a cancer even though it has carcinoma in its name. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Definitely not cancer Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Exceeding complicated. One cannot use common sense. Words are not used consistently and often not in a technically correct manner in the literature. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So we have to explain these inconsistencies in vocabulary more clearly, and not just leave up stuff that any lay reader will find contradictory. The insertion of "classified as" or similar can be useful in places where the standard terminology begins to tie itself in knots. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This would be a good source.  But simply put medicine is a huge feild. Our number of active editors are so small. We need more people who are can and are willing to address these issue. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

text: It's difficult because the sources don't agree, and there's no recognized "authority" that could make them use the same terms to mean the same thing.  Does "cancer" specifically mean "malignant carcinoma", or could leukemia also be a type of cancer?  It depends entirely on the definition chosen by the source.  DCIS is disputed:  it may be non-cancerous (perhaps as much as a third of cases?) or precancerous or already cancerous, depending one who you read and their exact definition (for example:  if there are microinvasions, is it still "in situ"?).  The accepted term for a condition does not necessarily map perfectly to the actual condition.  Chronic Fatigue Syndrome does not just mean being tired for a long time, and some "cancers" aren't exactly "cancer".  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The recognized authority is WHO. All carcinomas are cancers, but not all cancers are carcinomas. Carcinoma is a type of cancer. I will look at DCIS soon. It is one of the few grey zones. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: One consideration is the context in which the term is being used. At a cellular level (eg "cancerous cells" within DCIS), or at a clinical level (eg "breast cancer"). As noted above, there are borderline cases, such as -- and I'm only going from memory, rather than the best recent MEDRS on staging/classification (eg  ?) -- microinvasive 'DCIS', where some cancer cells have escaped the capsule. 86.128.169.211 (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carcinoma in situ redux; ducks in rows 

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