Talk:200 (Stargate SG-1)/Archive 1

message: Some of the trivia borders on a violation of WP:NOT, in that it predicts future events. Unless we have some significant sources that we can cite, I think speculation should probably be removed until the episode's content is known. -Harmil 16:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Luckily, it's aired now. :) I'm assuming that the Trivia section mentioned the pre-stated Firefly/Serenity reference? The producers actually did say in an interview somewhere that it (which does indeed occur in the episode) was intentional, a "little kiss" to Firefly. I know, because I saw it linked from a Firefly message board; set half the fandom on fire with glee, heh. Anyway, I'll dig up a source for that right quick. ;) I might not be able to cite it with the proper format, but I'll put it here so's people can use it. Runa27 04:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: "An alien device turns members of the Stargate crew into zombies that overrun the base. SG-1 must get rid of the device to stop them."
I believe this is from Late Night with Conan O'Brien when Pierre Bernard visits the Stargate SG-1 set to be a zombie in episode 200. In the ensuing clip, Cameron Mitchell is holding an alien device in the gate room while zombies (including O'Brien, Bernard's character) pry open the doors. Mitchell says something to the extent of "I better get this strange alien device through this open stargate before these zombies eat me.
:The quote is actually more along the lines of "Dial [Gate address] now! We have to get [name alien device] out of here or we'll never stop these things!". That's not it exactly, but Mitchell explained that the device is what caused everyone to turn into zombies. Runa27 04:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: I wonder what the exclusive content they promised us on the website is. dposse 00:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find out, let me know - the site was down when I tried to get on. --Tim4christ17 03:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found out. It's a blooper of the new Atlantis episode. If the website gets back up before 2am EST, the password is Fletcher. dposse 03:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "exclusive content" on SciFi.com 

message: I think we can safely get rid of this one. Just because a show is canceled after an episode doesn't mean it just stops right after that episode. Just look at Star Trek: Enterprise. The show was canceled after IaMD, but they still aired the rest of the episode. --Kevin W. 06:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizen Joe reference 

message: I think that if we are to be listing every single referance in the trivia section, it should at least be ordered chronologically for the episode.
Done --Achmelvic 23:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order 

message: I don't think the reference to 38 was just the number of minutes a stargate can be open, 38 has appeared several other times; not only is it the limit of minutes a stargate can be open, it is also the number of symbols on a DHD, and it is also the number of Ion Cannons the Tollan were going to provide to Earth. (Just wondering if anyone else noticed these things)
:Whoa! A multi-layered in-joke! My God, I feel like slightly less of a nerd for not noticing that until now. :P That's all kinds of awesomeness, though. Add it in! Runa27 04:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 39 symboles on the DHD in SG-1 and 36 in Atlantis. ≈ Seraph 31 08:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there are 39 symboles existing, but only 38 are on a Dial-Home_Device 15:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirty Eight 

message: I added some information I found at Zap2It regarding the Puppet scene. --Jeff
Um... Supermarionation 'may be' a reference to the works of Gerry Anderson??? More likely Thunderbirds or Team America???? WTF? Sorry, Gerry Anderson DID Thunderbirds (as well as several other shows). Team America is the style used but it, itself was a parody of Supermarionation... Supermarionation is a term invented by Anderson for his puppet shows in his style, there is no may be... and Thunderbirds shouldn't be referenced as an alternative to Anderson as it was him... Confused yet? sorry garbled that... um... I'll just edit it 21:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puppet Scene 

message: I made some considerable edits to the Trivia section. I'm detailing what I consider to be the biggest ones here: 
===Precredits sequence===
In the first section, I mainly just tweaked it for prose.
*Dr. Jackson asks "who makes a movie out of a series that only lasted three episodes?" to which Teal'c replies that it had strong DVD sales. This has been confirmed by the producers as being a reference to Firefly (which ran for 11 episodes out of a produced 14) and Serenity (the movie made from the Firefly series on the basis of strong episodes and high DVD sales figures). The in-joke is somewhat extended in the conversation Martin has on his cellphone in his first appearance in the episode, in which he says he'll take the movie to another studio if the present one doesn't like the budget; Joss Whedon actually did switch studios to produce Serenity, moving it from Fox to Universal. Martin also insists, like Firefly/Serenity, that the movie would not use footage from the original series as it is "not a clip show" (though it should be noted that it's possible Firefly did not reuse footage for other reasons).
As I mentioned further up in this same Talk page, there's an interview somewhere that confirms this to be a delibrate refernence to Firefly/Serenity. I'm going to dig it up so you can see it for yourself and cite it (which I'm still not quite sure how to do yet myself). 
*Col. Mitchell says there should be a "strong opening [credit] sequence", to which Martin replies "No one does that anymore. Just throw the title screen up there and get on with it!". The producers then do exactly that. Aside from the more obvious gag, this in-joke is also a reference to the shortened openings of Season 9's first 10 episodes.
I corrected this so that the quotes were a little more accurate (I'm sure I'm right on Mitchell's, mostly-sure on Martin's), and for prose. 
===Missing main man===
*Martin complains that his main actor has pulled out of the film, and asks what to do. Cameron suggests simply replacing him with another character, which everyone seems to think wouldn't work. This is a nod to the fact that Richard Dean Anderson's character, Col. Jack O'Neill, was replaced on SG-1's roster by Ben Browder's character, Col. Cameron Mitchell. The joke is furthered with the idea of making occassional references to the guy and talking to him on the phone, which has occured numerous times since O'Neill's departure from SG-1.
Mentioned character names so people who aren't fans who've memorized the cast list can follow it a little better. Plus, there should of course be an extra apostrophe in O'Neill's, since, as clunky as it may look, that's the proper format for the posessive.
*Martin suggests body-swapping, while Vala deems his idea to be ridiculous. Daniel then rolls his eyes at her. This sequence is a reference to the fact that "body-swapping" has occurred multiple times in SG-1 itself: when Ma'chello swapped bodies with Daniel ("Holiday"), and when both Daniel and (ironically) Vala herself temporarily inhabited the bodies of a pair of people in another galaxy ("Avalon").
Edited for prose, also, it's not a reference to just any single episode, apparently, since a form of body-swapping has appeared in multiple episodes, so I changed it to reflect that. 
===Invisible O'Neill===
*In the scene with Daniel writing on the whiteboard he says "And so by translating this tablet we should be able to determine the most important thing in the universe" followed by O'Neill's snoring references to the amazing coincidence that the most important things in the universe always seem to be on some hidden tablet.
Had to edit this puppy for prose. Just had to. It wasn't grammatical! It now reads:
*In the scene with Daniel writing on the whiteboard he says "And so by translating this tablet we should be able to determine the most important thing in the universe" (which is followed by O'Neill's snoring). This scene references the fact that the most important things in the universe always seem to be on some hidden tablet in the series. 
And then we have...
*Martin discards the idea, saying that invisibility is too powerful. Sam proposes inventing negative side effects. This is actually a reference to "Uninvited", where the Sodan cloaking device was discovered to have a side effect preventing humans from safely using it.
The final line of which I changed to:
This is probably a reference to "Uninvited", where the Sodan cloaking device was discovered to have a side effect preventing humans from safely using it.
Since it couldn't be confirmed, I figured "probably" worked better, since the reference is vaguer, unlike the "missing main man" references.
===Star Trek parody===
I added Cameron's quote in. Come on, it's hysterical! Especially considering some of the plots on the series itself. And coming from Cameron Mitchell, at that! :P By the way, the wording is exact on this one; I just rewound my recording of the episode and checked. 
Runa27 05:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits to the Trivia section

message: I added Cameron's quote in. Come on, it's hysterical! Especially considering some of the plots on the series itself. And coming from Cameron Mitchell, at that! :P By the way, the wording is exact on this one; I just rewound my recording of the episode and checked. 
Runa27 05:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Trek parody

message: I heard somewhere RDA wears a cap that he wore on MacGuyver as he walks up the ramp here.  Can someone verify and add it to the trivia?  Thanks.--70.18.177.36 03:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final SG-1 scene

message: I hate to ask this, as this's a really nice article - but what about WP:NOR? Is it possible to introduce references for the various facts given in this article? Mike Peel 20:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To give an indication of what references need to be here: each time we say that something in the show is a reference to something else, we need to provide a reference - ideally to an interview with a cast member/producer saying that that was the intended meaning. Otherwise, it's original research. I was going to put citation needed labels in the appropriate places, but too many would be needed at the moment. Mike Peel 19:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added "Citation Needed" to some sentences.  Generally, mine fall under two categories.  One, citations that should be easily available if we know where to look.  For example, what issue of Variety had the Firefly petition?  Two, statements where we are trying to read the producers' minds.  We can't do that, so if something is an out-of-universe reference, it needs a citation to back it up.  Otherwise it's speculation.  Note that I didn't tag the "Back to the Future" because "flux capacitor" itself is the reference as it's unique to that universe; I also didn't tag "Team America: World Police" because there is a citation that the same puppet company did the work.  Now, if we soften the wording, we can keep the points.  For example, "inspired by" needs a citation because it's a definite (the producers INTENDED ...), but "similar to" is soft enough to pass because it could be coincidental and it helps describe the point being made.  Just some of my thoughts on the matter.  --Bark 20:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "About the Furlings, the fans thought we were going to meet an actual Furling."  Naive fans maybe.  It was no secret this was a parody episode.  The Ewok-like Furlings are what most fans expected.  (See, I just said "what most fans expected".  Can I support this?  Nope.  Neither can anyone else support "the fans thought we were going to meet an actual Furling".  Both statements violate Wikipedia's policy of POV because they are opinions, not facts.  Get my point yet?)  --Bark 13:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice article, but what about WP:NOR? 

message: Hi.
I noticed that the earlier edition ignored the Asimov quote at the episode's end. I added it in to the article - which is the most poignant message this episode sends, made even more clearly through the otherwise understated 'Teal'c' character. --Nerroth 23:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asimov quote 

message: I just now noticed (in the puppet scene) that the "gate" keyboard is a classic IBM PC keyboard.
However, some keys are clearly rearranged (the function keys) and one of them is not even attached to the keyboard, jumping around. 
Maybe there is a secret message on the keyboard (I can't read it, too fuzzy)
--
It says 'Alex Sucks Dicks'. No kidding...  	 
 		 
See http://www.avforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41934&d=1164283008 
To whoever reverted the edit - If you're going to revert something in 'talk' please give a greason why.  This is a verifiable fact, adds to the article and answers the question posed by the original submitter.  81.187.26.106 15:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The keyboard 

message: The following was removed, I belive wrongly:
Claudia Black/Vala says "Drezz" which of all the words said is not an actual Farscape Expletive, ironic because Claudia is playing her original character Aeryn Sun. 
Reason: It's true, how can it be invalid?
(a referance to the times they have received important information via text through the gate) 
Reason: What other point of him recieving the message could there be? Who hasn't thought "They opened a wormhole through space time just to send some lousy text?" when it occurs in the series?
: How can you cite that? You would either have to find a reliable source that specificially says that drezz isn't a Farscape expletive (and Farscape fans aren't reliable sources), or you would have to find a list of Farscape expletives from a reliable source, and simply say that "drezz" isn't on the list (which implies that drezz either isn't a Farscape expletive, or isn't a notable enough one to be on the list). Ironic is an opinion, so you would have to say "Editorialist X considers this ironic because...." Or you could just say, "However, Claudia is..." and let the reader draw their own conclusions. As a point of interest, dren is a Farscape expletive, but saying that dren was what Claudia Black meant (or was parodying?) would be WP:OR (unless you can find a source to back it up). Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 23:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Content 

message: When Fake Carter says she "should have taken up Golf years ago"- forgive me if I'm wrong, but was that line invoking the stereotype of women professional golfers being homosexual? Possibly saying that she felt her character displayed lesbian tendencies- Sam has been thought to be a lesbian in fan circles before, this line could possibly a reference to that. -66.226.105.98 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Carter a lesbian?  Please.  That's one of the silliest things I have ever heard.  In ten years, has Carter ever flirted with a woman?  Nope.  Has she done a guy?  Yep.  Has she carried a torch for a guy?  Yep.  --Bark 13:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article mentions Jack/Daniel slash even though there's never been any indication that they're gay, and they've both been married to women. The "Carter is a lesbian" stuff has been around since the imfamous "Just because my sexual organs are on the inside" speech in the first episode. I didn't say it made sense, (and I'm pretty sure Carter is not a lesbian) I just wondered what the golf line was a reference to. -66.226.105.98 00:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a cite for this "thought to be a lesbian in fan circles", though (not to mention the women lesbian golfers stereotype). The difference between that and Jack/Daniel slash is that the reference is very specific to slash fiction, of which there are numerous examples, so that's perfectly verifiable. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lesbian? Um...Perhaps you all are thinking a bit too far. It was probably a reference to "Window of Opportunity". See pic. ~  Porphyric Hemophiliac § 04:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golf 

message: it felt to me as though the o'neill segment and the "everyone else" segment were filmed at different times, it might be a mechanism by which to poke fun at cheesy sci fi as they did throughout the episode <the directing style was very erratic> did anyone else notice this? 75.0.14.233 12:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filming of the scene about the "orifice" 

message: I believe the notes section is incorrect, i did not see Dr. Janet Fraser in this episode either.
In the puppet scene, they is a puppet that looks like early Janet Fraiser in the background, but that's about it and I think it should be edited to include Janet.
:I like Janet, but I think we should limit it to regular cast members. Else we'd have to include other recurring characters like Bra'tac, Kinsey, Maybourne, etc. Wl219 03:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw Janet standing there too - there are several scenes where you see Carter standing in the background and next to her, a puppet resembling early Janet Fraiser. Maybe it should be mentioned. --Plumcouch Talk2Me 20:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Previous Cast (Notes) 

message: There is way too much material here. I know the episode covers a lot of ground, but come on! This stuff belongs on a fansite, not here.--Drat (Talk) 13:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much detail 

message: *[This is most likely a reference to] Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me [or The Terminator], and also probably refers to the fact that "1969" was the first comedic episode. -- I don't see any similar situation stated in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me or Dr. Evil (I may be wrong here though); "1969" being comedic is irrelevant
In The Terminator the father is not John Connor himself but Kyle Reese.bufalo_1973 12:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1969 mission

message: *Marty learns that "The film's on again," a reference to a Stargate film or films being once again on the cards. Earlier in the episode, Marty says that the film has been cancelled, and instead they are commissioning another series; this references the planned post-Season-7 Stargate SG-1 film being cancelled and instead turned into a feature-length episode ("Lost City").  It is possible that this is referencing MGM's go-ahead with the up-and-coming feature-length movie. -- confusing. Someone might attempt to completely re-write this info and re-include it back
*Possibly a reference to Leonard Nimoy --still not sourced; OR anyway
– sgeureka t•c 15:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Closing Wormhole X-Treme sequence

message: During the Wizard of Oz sequence, Vala states that she finally feels that she is a part of something.  I remember Daniel saying something similar to Teal'c at the end of Orpheus.  Is this significant enough to put in the article?--Dani 19:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orpheus reference?