Talk:Ender's Game/Archive 1

message: TIME FRAME In Shadow of the Hegemon, page 228, it is said to be 300 years after the U.S. Civil War. AaronCBurke 18:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Frame

message: I'm curious why Card would be "remarkably prescient" for writing about things similar to newsgroups, on-line discussion boards and blogs, since it was published in 1985 and that sort of thing had already been going on for at least 10-15 years (though nothing was called a "blog" at the time, and I'm not sure that what Card was writing had much resemblance to the blogs of today).
Even the idea of being able to hide your identity so people wouldn't dismiss you for reasons such as "he's only a kid" were well known (although the famous cartoon "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog" wasn't published until 1993).  What Card did get right was how important something like the Internet would become, but to many people on the Internet and other on-line communities of the time, it wasn't that big a leap, it was just wondering when it would happen (though few predicted just how fast it would explode once the trigger, i.e. Mosaic, was pulled).
: I agree.  Usenet was created in 1979, and BBSes were popular in the early 1980s.  The first "true" laptop, the GRiD Compass 1101, also came out in 1982, according to the Wikipedia article, and was being used in the Space Shuttle during the 1980s (i.e. they weren't too obscure for Card to have known about them).  So Card didn't foresee much technology that didn't already exist (besides holographic displays, IIRC, which still don't exist); rather, he predicted their eventual ubiquity, which wasn't that unique for an SF writer even then (Neuromancer beat him to the punch, for example).  skoosh (háblame) 19:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prescient for predicting newsgroups? 

message: There doesn't seem to be mention of Card's book Bean. Why's that? - Ta bu shi da yu 13:12, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, there is no such book.  Do you mean Ender's Shadow?  Head to Card's website to check for the book you're thinking about. -Scm83x 13:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bean 

message: I just read the original short story as per Card's website and it doesn't merely focus on battle school like is stated in the article.  It Goes from when Ender becomes an army commander in battle school to after the war, when Anderson and Graff are sitting in the park.  I didn't want to change it since I'm so new to the topic.  Yoink23 20:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, I think… take a look. —Frungi 07:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short Story vs. Full Book 

message: Does anyone have any idea what the “Special Complete Edition” means? What was added to make it “Complete”? —Frungi 03:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. I know he wrote a new introduction for the '99-ish release. =FaxCelestis 22:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special Edition? 

message: Are you  presenting your own thoughts about Heinlein's Starship Troopers?  "Wikipedia is not original research."  Despite your point 2, morals are front and center in his novel.  The protagonist-narrator Rico is profoundly influenced by his teacher of "History and Moral Philosophy" and those classes are discussed repeatedly in the book.  Hu 07:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Starship Troopers'' 

message: Suggest that List of Armies in Battleschool be merged into Ender's Game, or some other related article with some content.  The current article is just a list, with no real content. Comments? --John Nagle 20:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As is, I would agree. I think the list could be expanded to include more information though, which would warrant its own article. Alas, I haven't got my copy of Ender's Game with me, so I can't do it. jacoplane 21:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe merge it into the Battle School article. Tim! 20:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Armies in Battleschool 

message: In the trivia section, a Turkish male name is mentioned. The correct name is exactly "Ender", pronounced "An-there", not "Endor". (There is no such word as "Endor" in Turkish, according to the Turkish Language Institution's dictionary.) "Ender" does not mean "One in a million", it means "very rare". I have not changed the article to fix this, assuming that this piece of trivia is taken from an original source (for instance an interview with Card or something) and might reflect the way Card mis-heard the name. If this is the case, a reference to that source is needed. Erkcan 11:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ender, not Endor as Turkish name 

message: I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to include a bit about the style Card uses throughout the Ender books - such as the quotations at the beginning of (almost) every chapter that usually provide some omniscient viewpoint to the otherwise third-person-limited events of that chapter (particularly EG and the Shadow books). If this is something Card uses in his other works (which I have not read), then it's not notable enough to include here, but if it's uniquely used in the series, then perhaps it should be noted somewhere. Virogtheconq 15:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't something he does in his other books, but then, it isn't an uncommon or unusual style in itself. Not really worth noting in my opinion. Bornyesterday 17:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it's somewhat notable since it changes the narrative structure of the story - the entirety of the story is told from a third-person limited perspective (Ender, Valentine, and to a limited extent, Bean and Graff), but some of the grand revelations (such as Stiltson's death) were made from this semi-omniscient viewpoint, which changes how they're perceived later in the book. Dunno, I just think it's worth a sentence, but I won't put one in if there's sentiment against it. Virogtheconq 19:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A sentence is fine by me. It just seemed at first glance that you wanted to make a big deal about it. Go for it. For things like that, I'd say just make the addition. If someone takes issue with it, then you can discuss it. Bornyesterday 22:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I see no reason why this should not be included, even if other books (none that I have read come to mind) use the same style. Since he uses this style in every book in the Ender's Game series, perhaps we should include something in that article as well. --Lethargy 13:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: Does anyone have a picture of the cover without the whole "4 dollars off" sticker on it?  It just seems kind of strange for that to be there since it seems like something added either by the bookstore or for some special limited-time deal by the publishing house... any thoughts? --Ampassag 08:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to an early edition HC cover without sticker. Grey Shadow 08:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover picture 

message: What a great book. Does anyone know how many copies it has sold? Its probably a lot. I was looking around on Amazon for Shadow of the Giant (which was around 5000th in sales) and Ender's game was around 300th. Impressive.--Cms479 13:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales

message: The last External Link to Ender!Krum appears irrelevant.  It links to the blog of a man who's name is Ender Krum, and appears to have no information about the Ender series at all.  I think it should be removed, but I've so far never removed information from a Wikipedia entry before.  Does anyone agree?
: You are quite right. Go ahead and remove it. Don't be afraid! :) Bornyesterday 20:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant external link 

message: Do Virlomi and Nikolei Delfiki even belong on the list of characters, or were they introduced in the Shadow series?
What are the sources for the information in the film section? The Ender's Game (film) article does not cite any sources, so I can't take any from that. --Lethargy 01:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 Questions 

message: As far as I can recall, the Buggers are never referred to as Formics in Ender's Game.  Can anyone cite an example?  This and "jeesh" are the two new words that crop up in the Shadow series, and have always seemed like weird revisionism to me.Leeborkman 06:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More formally known as "formics"?