Talk:List of spaghetti Westerns

message: I had to correct a mistake: the first known spaghetti western is not "savage Guns" (1961), but "Il Terrore dell'Oklahoma" (1959), an entirely Italian production directed by Mario Amendola.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.171.246 (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Il terrore dell'Oklahoma 

message: I propose that we split this list into two articles:
# List of Spaghetti Western films = Italian productions or co-productions
# List of Euro-Western films = non-Italian European productions
The reasons for this are as follows:
# This list is getting very long (currently over 600 films)
# Most people looking for a list of Spaghetti Westerns would expect it to be a list of Italian produced films
# It would agree with definitions in the parent articles Western (genre) and Spaghetti Western
# It would encourage development of the list of non-Italian Euro-Western films separately
Each page would contain a reference/link to the other one.
If there are no objections then I will make a start on splitting it.
--Njb19 (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of Western subgenres which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 05:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. No super compelling reason has been given to override the uppercased "Western" naming convention common on similar articles. The last multi-move did not attract much participation. I suggest that if someone opens another multi-move that it should be hosted on Talk:Spaghetti Western where it may attract more eyeballs. There is consensus to lowercase "Spaghetti". (closed by non-admin page mover) Schierbecker (talk) 05:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Spaghetti Western films →  – In the discussion regarding upper/lowercasing "Western" in the Western genre and subgenres, it was noted that there are instances of "spaghetti Western" across Wikipedia that inappropriately uppercase "Spaghetti".  Per MOS:GENRECAPS, "spaghetti" is not a proper noun and should not be capped.  It is no different than "contemporary Western", "neo-Western", "science fiction Western", and other subgenres that do not begin with a proper noun. I am opening this as a controversial move discussion rather than requesting a technical move as there are editors who have noted that "Spaghetti" is longstanding consensus (a suggestion I disagree with based on GENRECAPS). With that in mind, if consensus is to move, it will require a technical move request to preserve edit history as there is a redirect in place at the suggested location. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No disrespect Butlerblog, and after much thought I've struck the controversial comment as I'm not really sure if Dicklyon knows his westerns or not (films, books, boots on the ground, etc.). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We're good - I didn't take it as disrespect, nor uncivil.  But thanks for the strike, just the same. ButlerBlog (talk) 15:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And you're right, you know a lot more about westerns that I do.  I perhaps know more about Wikipedia capitalization style though. Dicklyon (talk) 03:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That was unnecessary. I did not suggest that I know more than anyone - it was a lighthearted response to Randy, and I did not mention you nor what you do or don't know. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

text: "about 75% of the time - less than a threshold of about 80% for ngram evidence" seems to be splitting some mighty close hairs. 75% seems more than enough to keep something uppercased, that's in common name recognition range. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 July 2023 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Weighing in this RM, the previous one, and the multi-move discussion, I could not find a consensus for this change. While there is a slightly higher amount of support !votes, both sides presented strong arguments, which were not enough to overturn each other. As noted by  in the closing comment of the previous discussion, there is currently . Doing so would go against WP:CONSISTENT (a point which was mentioned by some !votes, both in support and opposition, but which holds more weight on the oppose side, as every other subgenre article capitalizes "Western"). (Closing comment added on 16:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: List of spaghetti Westerns →  – “Western” is capitalized when used as an adjective in a proper noun. But in this context it is a common noun, not an adjective in a proper name, and so is not capitalized, as verified by common usage the NY Times: “lone hero of spaghetti westerns?”, “ hyperviolent films known as spaghetti westerns” , by The Guardian: “in the shape of the spaghetti western” , and by  Google ngrams. В²C ☎ 06:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 August 2023 

message: User_talk:MaterialWorks#Close_at_List_of_spaghetti_Westerns —В²C ☎ 00:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-close discussion with closer 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Agreed to give it a rest. (non-admin closure) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: List of spaghetti Westerns →  – The July RM close that resulted in the current title, matching the least common form in sources, was a bit bizarre as many have noted, and the August RM attempt to correct it did not achieve consensus.  So we should try again.  The guidelines at MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS seem clear enough that we don't cap what's not almost always capped in sources.  And the evidence from sources is clear that both spaghetti and western lowercase is the most common variant, so it's hard to see why we wouldn't go with that. Dicklyon (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

text: @Dicklyon - As was noted in the MR, "No consensus" means "no consensus to move".  You need to carefully go back through what was said in the closures AND the MR. We've had 3 RMs and a MR now in less than 4 months.  Give it a rest; everyone is exhausted at this point.  I'd ask you to pull this request as you're now bludgeoning this.  ButlerBlog (talk) 13:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Butlerblog that this request should be withdrawn. This proposal exactly restates the one that failed to achieve consensus in a three-week long RM that closed barely a month ago, a closure that was endorsed at MRV. Sure, consensus can change, but give it some time before taking the temperature again. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Overall, it seems customary to let these things lie for a while (6 months?) unless they closed with something like "consensus to move but no consensus on what to move to" necessitating another round for clarity.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, maybe March or so.  I'm OK is someone knows how to properly close/withdraw this. Dicklyon (talk) 01:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 November 2023