Talk:Harry Benjamin Syndrome

message: Forgive my lack of eloquence, I am not good at saying things eloquently. Instead, please look at the meaning of my words only.
This article should not be a redirect, as HBS is not transsexuality.  
Transsexuality is an unrelated term and separate from HBS.  The European nation as a whole recognizes HBS as the official medical birth defect it is, and the US is leaning that way as well, the biggest thing stopping it from being ratified is the insurance companies, and we all know that their only motivation is profit.
All the information I have put forth is available on many sites, a quick google will show my words to be true:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=harry+benjamin+syndrome
Jaqie Fox 09:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try a PubMed search instead: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez Although there are numerous websites advocating the existence of this condition, the term does not appear to be used anywhere in the medical literature. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advocacy, or a platform for bringing new medical terms into existence. In the absence of any citations from the medical literature, I've redirected the article to Harry Benjamin. -- Karada 08:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HBS proponents don't claim transsexualism is intersex, only that HBS is intersex.  We believe most who call themselves TSs chose to be that way and are sexual perverts.  Andrea is pro-TG and anti-HBS - a biased BIGOT - and keeps tampering with our pages.  In addition, HBS is included in the Hispanic version of Wikipedia.  Despite Kathy's misinformation above, HBS is NOT a form of TSism, and repeating that lie often enough will not make it true.  I never was a transgender, TS, nor transwoman.  I have always been a subset of the mainstream.  I have always been a member of the mainstream and HBS commuinty, not the community of transgenders, transsexuals, homosexuals, other choice-based persons, nor other sexual perverts.  I know I have a birth defect, and I am the expert of my own body.  How arrogant are the members of the oppressive TG homosexual mens lobby to claim I am a part of their community.  That is a lie, and one designed to gain power while destroying people like me.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 20:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Questioning redirect

message: This is a medical condition which has nothing to do with homosexuality nor transgenderism.  Placing HBS under LGBT is just a way to harass and abuse persons suffering this medical condition.  HBS has never been a part of the LGBT, and it never will be.  This is a lie designed to harm the HBS persons and steal their place in mainstream society.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who put this in the LGBT section? 

message: Problem:  The explanation of why Sex affirmation surgery (SAS) is preferred over genital reconstruction surgery (GRS) has been edited out.  SAS is not a term understood my most readers and there is no paragraph explaining what SAS means and why it is preferred.  If SAS is going to be used it requires such an explanation.  I propose inserting one if there are no objections. JoanneProctor 19 April 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoanneProctor (talk • contribs) 06:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomenclature [[SAS]]

message: It is slander to redirect to TSism.  That was evil and mean spirited.  Instead, you need to just delete the article.  If you delete it as if it was never created, with no redirects, I can promise not to recreate the article.  That is all, just DELETE it.  The whole purpose of the name was to get away from TSism, and why are you destroying our reputations, and putting our carreers on the line to destroy us?  So please, delete it.
By the way, the Hispanic Wikipedia article remains, and EVERY other Wiki makes it clear that HBS is not TSism.
Even transsexualism isn't a valid medical diagnosis.  A bunch of self-serving people formed the HBIGDA and self-appointed themselves to it.
I have HBS and am not a transsexual.  If you do not permanently delete the article and the redirect, I will SUE wikipedia and boycott it.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please delete this article without the redirect 

message: I am the main author of the content that started this article, and it was arguably promotional.  I respectfully ask that you speedily delete the article and not have any redirects.  The decision to redirect was not based on wikipedia policy.  HBS is not TSism and a redirect is inappropriate and could lead to harm against others by persons reading it.  The redirect goes against the whole spirit and reason I wrote the article, and is now being hijacked.  So, there is sufficient ground that the entire article, talk pages, and redirects be deleted.  How can I appeal to the Foundation Office?--74.124.187.76 (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can list the redirect for deletion at WP:RFD. Please don't overhwelm the page with deletion templates. Regards,  Skomorokh  21:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 21:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

text: But how do I follow the procedure described when I cannot insert the redirect challenge template into this article because it is protected?  I can only follow the 2nd half of the instructions on that page by editing the redirect challenge page to include this article and why it is a candidate.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the template to the page for you. Regards, NW (Talk) 00:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, but it doesn't seem to be helping, and our side is still being ganged up on, and it is still unfair.  Is there any other way I can appeal or challenge this, and without breaking the cavasing or forum shopping rules?  I had no chance to participate in the initial debate due to my health.  A number of us can provide proof, but we need the article undeleted and the debate extended in order to do that.  Where shall I place the proof?  Here where nobody will read it?  And having this redirect is damaging to people like me and I can prove I have been harmed by this untrue redirect.  C.G., I, and a few others coined this term, but Laura Amato who hosts a site to bash us, and the author of Changelings site, are slandering us by accusing us of being what they are are being believed above us, and we invented the term.  You all are making a mistake by leaving the redirect, because it will show how deceptive the TG community it and how it conspires to suppress the truth and harm others for its own goals.  The TGs have just shot themselves in the foot by damaging OUR term that we invented for people with this birth defect who are not TSs and not a part of the LGBT, and who have mainstream values.  And the allegation that people with HBS are middle class TSs is false, since I am on a fixed income and an ethnic minority.  Calling my condition TSism will insure I will never rise beyond low income status and keep me from ever working. --74.124.187.76 (talk) 05:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is completely unfair. You don't have the right to delete our article and redirect to Transsexualism, we are a big group who feel affected by that. Please, either delete the whole article without any redirect or else restore it. Thank you. Marta314 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marta314 (talk • contribs) 
(outdent) User:Marta314 has started Harry Benjamin's Syndrome while the redirect on this article is under discussion. Jokestress (talk) 08:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Why do you care unless you are an anti-HBS, anti-mainstream bigot?  What you are doing is just like how Palestine is erasing the identities of the Jews.  Such bigotry has no place on Wikipedia, and I am still calling for you to recuse yourself from this and stop interfering.  You are afraid it will wreck your little empire and the money you make from TGs at the expense of HBS patients and true-TSs who either have surgery or are going to get it.  Since there are 10 times as many TGs as there are people with the medical conditions of true-TSism, HBS, and assimilationist IS disorders, you have to compromise the care for the smaller group to coddle the much larger lifestyle group.  You don't want to make them mad because you are afraid they will get the LGBTs to boycott you.  So this plays into how you twist and destroy articles on Wikipedia.  If you supported TSs without supporting TGs, I would endorse you, and if you supported TGs without supporting TSs, I would respect you.  Make up your mind, either support those who have to live as women, or those who merely choose to, but not both.  Please, stay out of the business of those of us with HBS, stop slandering us by calling us trannies, and allow us the right to self-govern our medical-based community.  Your anti-IS/anti-TS bias and bigotry is apparent in your Pink Triangulation article on your site.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination to delete without redirect 

message: Please change this page so that it redirects to Transsexual#Alternative terminology rather than Transsexualism#Alternative terminology to avoid the double redirect. Thank you. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Redrose64 (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 5 April 2015