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message: I have a nagging suspicion that in some cases it should be not the Brahmanas but the brahmins. And in others, while correct, the capitalization is wrong.</br>
1. The Brahmanas place mlecchas outside the varna system - probably fine.</br>
2. in order to perform sacrifice and ritual in the religion of the brahmanas - brahmins?</br>
3. "The best experts of the sacrificial art were undoubtedly the various families of the brahmanas who, placed in a hierarchy within the Indo-Aryan social system, became the upholders of pure and best speech" (a quote!) - brahmins?</br>
4. which would ultimately be judged by the brahmanas - brahmins? Brahmanas?--Adûnâi (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed 3 and 4 to "Brahmins". I am not sure about 2. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahmanas vs brahmanas vs brahmins (?) 

message: There has been consistent removal of Franklin Southworth's derivation of the word. He postulates that its derived from a Proto Dravidian word  for language that was borrowed by Indo-Aryan speakers to indicate anyone who speaks an unintelligible language. Kanatonian (talk)
: You have been removing fully cited sentence, giving spurious reasons, Please indicate why you feel the citation is wrongly attributed ? Kanatonian (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I already explained in edit summary. The citation doesn't refer to Mleccha, it's referring to Tamil. That's not a spurious reasoning! Have you read the source? Show me the full quote! ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   This is what he says "name mleccha comes from miḻi- "speak, one's speech", derived from one of the Dravidian languages and related to the etymology of the word Tamiḻ" This exactly from the citation. You are removing a fully cited sentence based on your opinion of the citation, you dont have access to the citation, it looks like. This qualifies as WP:Vandalism. Kanatonian (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course I've no access to that journal, nobody has. You would have to purchase it in Kerala. You are using a quote from a 3rd party, Srinivasan Kalyanaraman, a well known history revisionist's, webpage. If the quote was true, we would see this derivation in linguistic non-journal sources. Have you originally added this material in the article? ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added that in 2012 and at the same time I also added the citation to the etymology Tamil article in 2012, so this is after 9 years, and this is not going go away just because you decided to delete the fully cited citation. Kanatonian (talk) 17:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that this book is the one in question, I have requested it through my regional library network and should have it within the next 14 days. Please ping me if I don't get back to you two by then. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   I have that book, its not that book in question, its the journal article. Kanatonian (talk) 17:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, oopsies. I will now request that article through my university; it should be ready within a day or two. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be really surprised if your university had this journal paper, but thank you very much for your dedication.ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had access to the paper in 2012, I will get it again Kanatonian (talk) 18:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Its possible, can you email me the article. I can forward you my email to your account. Kanatonian (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We should remove that sentence, but I found another citation, Aloka Parasher, ‘Mleccha-A possible Proto Dravidian Etymology”, Proceedings of South Indian History Congress; Tirupati, 1984. Until I source that, we should remove Franklins citations. Kanatonian (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Footnote #6 on page 131 of Southworth (snippet on Google Books) - "This word has been implicated by several scholars in the origin of OLA mleccha' barbarian, foreigner, non - Aryan". 192.131.249.235 (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that, for a second I thought I was loosing my marbles, so its there but in the foot note Kanatonian (talk) 17:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Journals are not the highest quality sources. I still don't think, that the source directly supports the statement in the article. If you feel, it's supported, feel free to keep the sentence in the article as is.ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, my bad, sorry for not noticing that footnote, . , if journals are not the highest-quality sources, what are? As far as any discrepancy between the source and the sentence as present is concerned, I think the solution is to change "comes from" to "is related to", which is a better representation of the wording of the footnote in my opinion. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Journals are basically like newspapers for scientists, where papers are presented very roughly to a larger audience. In the case of "Mleccha" a well formulated and reasoned text presented in an academic work on the Sanskrit language, peer-reviewed and with good reputation, would be considered a high quality source. ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we conflating academic conference publications with Academic Journals Kanatonian (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Thank you Kanatonian (talk) 22:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Franklin Southworth's derivation

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mleccha&diff=prev&oldid=1115448401 Batlonsh7 (talk) 07:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspicious edit by User:Aman.kumar.goel