Talk:Hamilton

message: The introduction seems to assume that family is the source of every Hamilton name, which I don't believe is true (e.g. Hamilton New Zealand was named after Captain Fane Charles Hamilton, war hero of the 1860s - was he of the same family?).  Winstonwolfe
Um.... why on earth is Alexander Hamilton not up here?
Above unsigned post by 24.136.241.79.
I have nothing to do with this page, but I'm guessing because it only lists people whose first name is Hamilton.Winstonwolfe 03:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for adding this valuable point to the article.  Can you please cite the source of your information.  You may want to review WP:RS and WP:CITE policies.  Alan.ca 04:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source of the name

message: 1. ^ South Lanarkshire's web History
   2. ^ Hamilton Family DNA project
   3. ^ Surnames
   4. ^ Ib idem ref. 1
Are incomplete source citations.  Please see WP:CITE.  If someone can provide more details on these source citations I am willing to assist with including the information.  Web references should include a URL and accessdate, see .  I have no idea what "Surnames" means.  As for the "Family DNA project" where is it located, how were the facts published?  What is Ibidem?  Alan.ca 06:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ib idem is a Latin phrase meaning the same. - Kittybrewster 19:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source citations 

message: Coming here from WP:3O, I agree with Alan. The four references above are completely inadequate as they do not point to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be removed by anyone (WP:V). It's incumbent on those wanting to keep material to provide sources, not on those wanting to delete it, per WP:V. Accordingly, I'm removing the content until better inline citations for the specific facts are provided. Sandstein 07:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: Apologies for the above, am still getting to grips with wiki editing for the dyslexic and I really enjoyed the Biting, wonderful stuff! Anyhow point stands. The citations I've just re-entered shouldn't really be on a disambig page, but rather their respective articles. As said before--easy life. 
HOWEVER, disambiguation articles should explain their point. There is no doubt that the name of Hamilton originates recordably from the family of Walter fitz Gilbert in south central Scotland in the 12c. 
Whosoever that spread the name throughout the world has a connection (however tenuous) with the family of Hamilton. exempli gratia  Vacuum cleaners being called Hoovers. Brendandh 01:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crap citing

message: I suggest that User:Alan.ca look at Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types of vandalism and Wikipedia:Vandalism#What vandalism is not before throwing accusations of it around. Brendandh 11:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism tag

message: I'm not entirely convinced. I am going through the complete arse of sourcing such things from the National Gallery of Scotland]. An MS that I'd lent them and thought that I may not need back in the near future, written for William Hamilton, 11th Duke of Hamilton contains rather a load of stuff. I'm planning to come back here in the near future with a more authoritative Blah .Brendandh 20:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OK

message: Surely information about the name and its history should be in the Clan Hamilton article? OK so its "not really a clan" and all that, but really, we already have a page on the family, so lets use that for the origins of the family name, with citations etc. The Clan Hamilton article appears to rely heavily on some outdated sources, and could use the attention. cf. Douglas, Douglas (surname) and Clan Douglas. ::Supergolden:: 13:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan Hamilton 

message: It is absurd that there is a direct link to the United States ten-dollar bill named after Alex Hamilton, yet no direct link to Alexander Hamilton. I think it's a disservice to the readers not to include his name on this page. (If there are a few other particularly notable people with that name, they should be on this page, as well.) Red Slash 09:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not absurd at all. Alexander Hamilton is covered in the page concerning individual Hamiltons at Hamilton (surname and title), and he is the main page for Alexander Hamilton, despite there being sixteen other noteworthy Alexander Hamiltons. Brendandh (talk) 10:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not unusual where one individual (or sometimes a couple) is vastly more commonly referenced than any other individual to be listed separately on the dab page even though there is a separate page listing surname-holders. For example, see Washington or Lincoln or Jefferson or Roosevelt or Wilson or Chamberlain. older ≠ wiser 13:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  As stated prior, there is a page for people named Hamilton, and there are a lot of them, Hamilton being the 29th most common surname in Scotland alone.. The American founding father, Alexander Hamilton is the main link for that page with a dablink to the others, where he also heads the list. Quite suitably represented I think. This page is primarily about topography, groups and businesses etc. with the name Hamilton. Clan Hamilton is not even on this page, and that is a far larger group of people than one 18thc proto American. Brendandh (talk) 13:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are many other persons knowns as Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Wilson, and Chamberlain (as well as many other similar surnames with one or two extremely well-known individuals where the individual is listed on the disambiguation page even though there is also a separate surname page. older ≠ wiser 13:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: John Hamilton (American Revolution) Well perhaps we should have this fellow in here too, balance things up a bit for those trying to navigate Wikipedia that aren't based in the US! As per prior, this page is not for articles about people they have their own page, with successive links to further dab pages. Brendandh (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A goal for disambiguation is to help readers "quickly navigate to the article they seek". Of all the persons with the surname Hamilton, only one is extremely commonly referenced as simply "Hamilton". If you can provide evidence for other persons being frequently referenced by the surname alone, we can perhaps discuss including them on the disambiguation page. But there really is little reason to force readers seeking a commonly sought for page to dig into various sub-pages in order to find the article. older ≠ wiser 16:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It has nothing whatsoever to do with having the "right" -- it is about how people actually use the term. older ≠ wiser 20:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: However, I'm fine with your latest edit. older ≠ wiser 20:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: No, I have no idea what you mean. Wikipedia is in general not prescriptive in usage. If a disproportionately large number of people use the term "Hamilton" to refer to Alexander, we don't undertake to RIGHTGREATWRONGS. older ≠ wiser 21:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  People