Talk:The French Connection (ice hockey)

message: The first thing that bothers me is that this article is not really about the trio as a unit but only really groups together their individual stats. Since this is team sport with synchornised coherent ensembles of players who are supposed to move in organised manner, this is a problem. In short, comprehensiveness is a problem, only 4.7k main text.
*Background. Need to know the circumstances under which these players were hired and brought together. What was the coach looking for in these players, what were the team weaknesses which prompted the coach to select these players. How did they fit into the game plan; how did the strategy and team style change once they were in the team? What were their strengths and attributes and how did these complement one another? How did their skills faciliate improved performance of the team? How did their opponents attempt to nullify their strategy? How was performance before they came and how did it improve afterwards? Why was the combination broken up by selling one of the players? (change of coach? backroom infighting etc?) How the tandem play enhanced each other...eg, are there stats showing that when one of them was injured, the others were not as effective by themselves?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  20:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Could it be fattened up a bit more? There are really only two sentences about the style of the partnership and about the circumstances of their transfer. I guess I am a different kind of reviewer in that I put a premium on the actual content. But it's good in cricket when you have statistical computers like this to help you. That way you can search for stats under a wide range of crtieria. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 07:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well ... quite aside from that this is of a greatly disproportionate length (even a famous line like this one has virtually no notability detached from its component players, and few of the other line articles were more than a paragraph), it's not well balanced.  In its day, the French Connection had a reputation for poor defensive play, something unreflected in the article.    Ravenswing  18:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WRT, defense, aside from Robert that is true.  Robert was more than adequate defensively and usually played the point on the power play since Danny Gare was a better right wing scoring threat.  WRT length, I am not sure that is true.  I think this trio is a mid or high importance to hockey.  They are surely worth 20 or 30 KB.  We have a HOFer, the best left wing of the mid 70s and an All-Star.  Sometimes the whole is worth more than the sum of the parts.  The story does not contain enough info that could not be included in the respective bios to argue with you, but nothing in the article as it is should really be removed.  Their main problem with their place in history and on WP is that they never won it all.  I guess I should mention the curse of Taro here as well as on Perreault's page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  02:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have not found anything in the Buffalo Public library that says the line was poor defensively.  The closest is a statement that Robert was chosen because the line needed someone who might attempt to stay in position and check.  I have added that.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  21:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know how much there is to say since two of the three were drafted as first round picks.  Basically, you draft someone with a first round pick because he is a good prospect.  Nothing encyclopedic to say.  Perreault was never traded.  Martin was traded away after he was injured.  I am sure no one want to see a guy who went to 7 straight all-star games as a struggling gimp.  The reason we acquired Robert is in the article.  The reason he was traded is the only possibly interesting transactional detail.  As far as style goes, I should probably find something about their wide open play.  These guys were skaters and Perreault could stickhandle with the best.  I will look something up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  01:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks for that, I think the article is now sufficient for GA. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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