Talk:Apartheid/Archive 3

message: I suggest we move this article to Apartheid in South Africa and that the Apartheid article be changed into a disambiguation page or a page which explains that some (me included) prefer to use the term to refer to the political system of that same name in South Africa, and that others want to use it metaphorically to refer to any systematic discrimination anywhere.  Paul Beardsell 07:01, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Paul, I would disagree with that. If we're going to do something along those lines, rather make a note at the top of the page linking to another page called "allegations of racial discriminatory laws" or even "allegations of apartheid" in other countries. Impi 11:20, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Democracy is more an idea than a real system, as there's no real set of rules for a democracy other than that all citizens have a fair say in who gets to run the country. Some would say it requires more than that, such as a free press and independant judiciary, but it's more of an ideal of government being accountable to its citizens than anything else. The actual systems are the various forms democracy may take, such as constituent systems or proportional voting, republics or ceremonial monarchies etc. These are also all labels governments strive for, so they change the way their country runs in order for it to be a democracy, and within that a republic or whatnot, or they change it to be a Communist state. It's therefore usually a matter of countries adjusting the way they do things to fit in with the definition of a word rather than a word being stretched this way and that in order to apply to as many situations as opponents of those situations see fit. I think that's what's happened with the word Apartheid, for the reasons mentioned by another contributor above. It's a loaded word and a convenient weapon. That said, I think you're on the right track, but I don't believe this article should be renamed. Rather leave this as Apartheid, but in Italics at the top make a mention (better worded than this obviously) about how some believe certain countries are guilty of practicising racial discrimination, and then direct that to an article called something like "Allegations of institutionalised racism in certain countries" and over there such allegations can counters can be shown in detail. That avoids a disambig page, as they are often annoying for editors, yet still provides an avenue for such allegations to be detailed without hiding them away or compromising the article on Apartheid. I also think that way will be more neutral. Impi 13:35, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article? 

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message: This article has a lot of information about Apartheid, but none at all about the end of it.  We really need a lot more information here.  I am not qualified to write it, but I would love to see more.  Thank you! Páll 08:11, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The End of Apartheid 

message: A recent change by 80.229.148.161 added the following sentence:
"A period of political instability ensued. More South Africans died from political violence from 1990 to 1994 than in the preceeding 42 years."
Does anyone have a source backing this?  I feel skeptical about this claim, but would like to debunk it before removing it. Dewet 07:33, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial changes by 80.229.148.161 

message: The German Wikipedia has a picci of a sign showing a whites-only beach . I'm not familiar with how you tranfer piccis to Commons and then link them through to various WP's, but if anyone else is, it would be good to add the picci to the English article too, jguk 18:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picci