Talk:Facial recognition system

message: Would it be reasonable to shorten the article by moving the details for particular countries to individual articles? Somebody has created an article for India, though it is currently shorter than the section in this article. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system#India_2
I have added a link - shall we move the text there? Oitio (talk) 23:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Move details about the systems for particular countries to separate articles

message: What is it called, identifying smiles, vs. frowns, vs. excitement, vs. someone sticking their tongue out? Where you're not so interested in identifying the individual, but in identifying the individual's expression --LionKimbro 00:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that it would be a "facial expression recognition system". violet/riga (t) 11:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe this is what you are looking for: Affective computing. --Scot.hale 15:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  identifying smiles 

message: The source of Civil Liberties & Facial Recognition Software has disappeared. --oKtosiTe talk 20:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Civil Liberties & Facial Recognition Software'' cited soure missing 

message: What about US-VISIT and the new biometric passports? From what I understand, these are a major new application of face recognition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.6.61.30 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Visit 

message: References:</br>
3: State Agency Uses Facial Recognition Software to Fight Fake ID’s"</br>
7: Willing, Richard. "Airport anti-terror systems flub tests Face-recognition technology fails to flag 'suspects'"</br> 
8: Civil Liberties & Facial Recognition Software.</br>
Are dead. Fjejsing 07:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed 7 & 8, couldn't find an archive version of 3, so i chucked two new ones in. CaNNoNFoDDa 21:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The new Lenovo L3000 Y410 laptop has this feature. I have no idea how well it works nor how many other Lenovo laptops have this feature, but it totally freaked me out when I saw it. :) 205.157.110.11 21:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard that the Lenovo/IBM tech is the same they had ten years ago .  There are other options as well, including a popular freeware application called LemonScreen available at KeyLemon (formerly BananaScreen).  I think there should be a separate section for consumer use of this technology as associated links and perhaps a comparison of apps (or maybe there is and I can't find it). Jason P Crowell (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consumer computer biometric 

message: The purpose of which is to induce mental health claims of being attacked by 'radio waves', and also to covertly induce health symptoms in the victim, for marketing purpose, like nausea medication or increase business at special heart hosptitals (targeting those with health insurance).
--71.127.23.22 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interfaced with 'crowd control weapons' and tracking/targeting technology 

message: What happened to all the citations?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.220.230.216 (talk) 11:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Er 

message: Does 'Future Developments-Retailing' deserve own section? There are many possible applications and IMO paying with face doesn't look very secure(instead of implanted chip/card).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.194.247.92 (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retailing 

message: ; Merge - Face Detection with Facial Recognition and 3D Face Recognition
The three articles are overlapping:
* "Face detection is a computer technology that determines the locations and sizes of human faces in arbitrary (digital) images."
* "A facial recognition system is a computer application for automatically identifying or verifying a person from a digital image or a video frame from a video source."
* "Three-dimensional face recognition (3D face recognition) is a modality of facial recognition methods in which the three-dimensional geometry of the human face is used."
I suggest to merge these articles:
* Face detection
* Facial recognition system
* Three-dimensional face recognition
--Solphusion (talk) 21:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was alarmed to see that facial detection and facial recognition were proposed for a merge. These are two very distinct fields in computer science. Imagine proposing a merge between object oriented programming and dynamic programming. There is some overlap, and I'm not sure that there is dynamic programming without objects, but the two have very different implications and contexts. Facial detection is exactly what it sounds like (and what the description very accurately indicates), a process of determining whether faces are even present at all. Facial recognition assumes that a face is present and works to compare the face to a database of known faces. Not only are the data structures involved totally dissimilar, but the aims are totally different. I agree with the parent that 3D facial recognition could be merged. If the 3D recognition article was more informative I would be in favour of its existence, but it does not seem to contribute anything which does not fit here. Forgive the lack of a proper signature, but I am not a frequent wikipedian. I am simply surveying the state of a field I studied as a graduate student (which by no means makes me an expert, but certainly allows me to appreciate that detection != recognition).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.185.154 (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although there is currently some overlap between the articles, they are not all the same thing. Face detection does not require facial recognition, and neither require the facial expression capture. In fact, facial expression capture does not require face detection or facial recognition, either. As the lede implies, it isn't even necessarily video-based. Dancter (talk) 14:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't they all capture your image somehow, by camera or picture, recognize various points on it, and use that to do something?  Get a video game to respond to you, or use it to move a 3D character around.  Once you have the information scanned in, you can compare it to recognize someone, recognize their expression, or just record their movements to move something else around the screen.  Dream Focus 20:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. No image is necessary whatsoever for facial expression capture. You are describing just one approach. Even the image-based methods are not restricted to CV techniques. Dancter (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm closing and removing, as nothing has happened in 20 months.  That means the issue is stale and does not appear to have gained consensus.  - Wikidemon (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Has anyone used fotobounce ? Is it good?
* Applied Recognition
* Disclosure of Grant and Contribution Awards Over $25,000 Recipient Name: APPLIED RECOGNITION INC.
* phillip grenier Vp Marketing at Applied Recognition Inc, Toronto, Canada Area]
* Chris Studholme, PhD I am currently working with Applied Recognition as director of development for their Fotobounce application
* Review
* "We do have plans to integrate other web apps into the AirSet environment and we are offering an API that we already have some developers working with, so there will be 3rd party software available both for your AirSet cloud computers as well as software that works with it. For example, a month ago we put out a joint press release with a company called Fotobounce. They are using our APIs to integrate their facial recognition photo management software with AirSet so you will be able to create AirSet photo albums and upload them to your cloud computer from the Fotobounce application. So stay tuned... "
gioto (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software 

message: "Popular recognition algorithms include Principal Component Analysis which eigenface, Linear Discriminate Analysis, Elastic Bunch Graph Matching fisherface, the Hidden Markov model, and the neuronal motivated dynamic link matching."
This doesn't feel like a sentence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.100.161 (talk) 05:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead how about "Popular recognition algorithms include Principal Component Analysis (using EigenFaces), Linear Discriminate Analysis, Elastic Bunch Graph Matching (using Fisherfaces), the Hidden Markov model, and dynamic link matching."? darkblackcorner (talk) 12:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarity... 

message: While I'm here, the privacy concerns paragraph: "Many citizens are concerned that their privacy will be invaded. Some fear that it could lead to a “total surveillance society,” with the government and other authorities having the ability to know where you are, and what you are doing, at all times. This is not to be an underestimated concept as history has shown that states have typically abused such access before.[21]" Should probably read: "Concerns have been raised about the potential impact of facial recognition technologies on privacy. One fear is that it will enable a “total surveillance society,” wherein a government has the ability to know all individuals are and what they are doing. Some occurrences of this phenomenon have already been documented.[21]"— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.185.154 (talk) 02:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privacy concerns paragraph 

message: I was concerned because I could not find any reference on Wiki to Clinton Fookes and/or his software despite the fact that the software won the Eureke Prize (people's choice). Perhaps someone should correct this!
See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/17/2985835.htm?section=justin
Oaec (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the technology, not about people or the prizes they have won. HairyWombat 17:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinton Fookes 

message: *Check for accuracy
*Check to see if merge should be done (check conversations above and assess)
*Update if necessary
*Reassess after work done
Chaosdruid (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Robotics attention needed

message: I removed the following from the article section Additional uses: 
As part of the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
the British police are calling on visitors to the Ocean Club Resort, Praia da Luz in Portugal or the surrounding areas in the two weeks leading up to the child's disappearance on Thursday 3 May 2007 to provide copies of any photographs of people taken during their stay, in an attempt to identify the abductor using a biometric facial recognition application.
Both the references for it are s and, frankly, I don't believe this. The police requesting people to send in their holiday photographs makes sense, but using a facial recognition system to "to identify the abductor" is silly. The technology would not be able to do more than the police simply looking at the photographs. If somebody has a <ref> which is not dead then we can restore the paragraph. HairyWombat 05:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappearance of Madeleine McCann 

message: Fingerprints are evidently being challenged in many legal contexts as client's attorneys discover that much of the science supporting the accuracy of fingerprints for unambiguous identification has never actually been scientifically tested, and at least some proportion of fingerprint experts have no verifiable expertise, nor have many experts actually been tested for accuracy.
Here's one potential clarification from Wikipedia:
Fingerprint#Criticism Criticism of fingerprint accuracy 
There are many more sources available on the web, including beaucoup sources from the Defense viewpoint.
Lee-Anne (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the reliability of fingerprints 

message: In the academic community, the term "face recognition" is more widely used than "facial recognition". For example, Google Scholar reports >3M hits for "face recognition" but only half that many for "facial recognition". Furthermore, the goal isn't to recognize a "facial" but to recognize a "face". Therefore, I suggest that we make "Face Recognition" the primary page and have "facial recognition" redirect to it. Thoughts?
Tdietterich (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology: Face Recognition vs. Facial Recognition 

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message: After people took a look at the workplace where this took place, many assumed that the corporate world could sell this type of software under the visage `facial recognition software'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7751:160:381C:3457:AEE3:8C00 (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: I am needing to know how and where and price on digital ID Tamtam199522 (talk) 11:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Hello, I am planning on expanding the section on bans for a school project as there is only one sentence. I want to briefly expand on both San Francisco and Somerville. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know! Alexissphe (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding on Bans 

message: I've seen examples of Ukrainian soldiers using FR to identify Russian war victims, but for some reason the issue of Russia, China, etc... using FR massively is not covered as well. I will probably extend the article about what I (as a Russian citizen) know about FR in Russia.
For example, as of Jan, 2019 there werehttps://tass.ru/moskva/5989411 ~170 000 cameras in Moscow, most of them installed on residential building entrance doors. Saint-Petersburg has some too but at lesser scale. And so on.
WildyLion (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facial recognition under authoritarian regimes? 

message: This is an article that needs constant updating due to the rapid movement of AI, but in particular the entire Advantages and Disadvantages section is from the 2000s. That's really ridiculously outdated. Poketama (talk) 11:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a section on AI based facial recognition, but was later removed because "Blog spam". The links were pointing to the original project pages of RetinaFace and ArcFace, and a blog explaining the different steps in an AI based facial recognition pipeline. Nuwiz (talk) 13:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Your blog (and/or a vendor blog) are not usable sources on Wikipedia. See WP:RS and WP:SPAM. MrOllie (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Most AI research is published on arXiv, in project pages, or in blog articles all these can be seen as forms of "self-published sources". If the Wikipedia want's to block those, it's OK, but I don't believe its a sensible approach for the particular case of AI. Nuwiz (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to try to get the policies changed. But until that happens we'll be following them. MrOllie (talk) 14:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Apart from the sources issue, your proposed addition seemed to me to fail to explain what difference AI actually makes to the facial recognition techniques already described in the article. Sbishop (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Some addition could be made comparing the accuracy between AI approaches (ResNet / ArcFace) and traditional approaches; but that's the main thing: using AI models instead of manually crafted features / algorithms and getting better accuracy thanks to them. Nuwiz (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated information tag