Talk:Cadillac Seville

message: Is it really true that the Seville is gone?  It still has its place on the Cadillac web page. RivGuySC 03:22, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The last ETC/STS models produced 300 hp net.  But the 1969-1970 Oldsmobile Toronado produced 375 hp gross.  So which is most-powerful?  Probably the Toronado...  --SFoskett 11:21, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
* Actually, its not an important point, but the old gross horspower numbers were a minimum of 25% too high when compared to today's net horsepower numbers which would comfortably put the 300 net HP of the final front wheel drive STS and ETC ahead of the Toronado.  Additionally, I definately recall Cadillac touting the Northstar-equipped Allante which had 295HP as the most powerful front wheel drive production car ever produced (in 1992-3).  But like I said, it probably isn't a super important point in either case. Rawja 21:54, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Most powerful?

message: I think the Seville was a Full-size car during its first and last Generation, was it? Gerdbrendel 04:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right, the last-gen Seville is definitely full-size. A bit wider than both the LeSabre and Park Avenue and heavier than both (only DeVille was heavier, and barely at that), came with the largest engine available in the full-size Hammtrack-assembled G platform, EPA rated it at 104+15 cu.ft. (only 1 away from the upper end of the midsize cutoff). Overall length, 201", or 1" longer than a LeSabre and 2" shorter than a Bonneville. A Seville was almost dead even with the LeSabre when it came to rear legroom. Although I wouldn't normally attach a letter class segment to an American-made car, the Seville was officially intended with Audi, BMW and Mercedes in mind. It was significantly larger than the C5 A6, E39 5 Series, and W210 E-Class, and even slightly larger than standard wheelbase variants of the D2 A8, E38 7 Series, and just about equal to the W140 S-Class in external size. Even the all-wheel-drive A8 4.2 and rear-wheel-drive 740i were around the same weight as a front-wheel-drive Seville STS. Full-size, indeed. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:5E2:1DB3:ABD9:EB57 (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mid-size 

message: I don't understand this quote in the main section under "1956": "the outlandish tailfins found on the 1959 model that are most remembered".  The implication seems to be that the Eldorado Seville had extraordinary tailfins versus other Caddy models of that year; this is not the case.  All 1959 Cadillacs, with the exception of the Italian bodied Eldorado Brougham, used the same tailfins.  The two-door Eldorado models -- Biarritz convertible and Seville hardtop coupe -- had identical tailfins to those on the other Cadillacs, except that additional chrome followed the rear fender curves as they met the bumper.  Again, except for the Brougham, the now iconic soaring fins topped with those twin bullet taillamps, were present on all other Cadillac models for 1959.
Mhrogers (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tailfins 

message: Something isn't right regarding the info about the special Cars & Concepts label, and the VIN needing to be below 808000, along with the manufacturing date in order to be identified as a 1988 STS.
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“The first 1988 STS's were custom built in June 1988 by Cars and Concepts and announced at the 1988 Detroit Grand Prix. These were available to VIP's within General Motors, the Cadillac Division, some major shareholders and a short list of dignitaries. A special label was affixed to the lower corner of the driver-side front door by Cars and Concepts identifying it as one of the original STS's. 2014 Survivability rate*: 14% (210 remaining).”
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then...
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“The first 1989 STS's were leftovers from the Cars & Concepts run of the 1988 production year and had the special sticker located on the lower part on the inside of the driver's door. These were produced prior to December 1988 for the 1989 production year and are very rare. The last 6 digits of these VIN numbers would be below 808000. As with the 1988 model, a special 3.25" x 2" black/silver chrome label was affixed to the lower inside area of the driver-side front door by Cars and Concepts identifying it as one of the original STS's{ref 7} As of 2014, the survivability rate* of this 1989 model is at about 3% (approximately 57 remaining) per the NHTSA and Broxterman Auto Survivability Rate Chart - BASRC).”
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I own a 1988 Cadillac Seville STS. I purchased it the Fall of 1989 from a Cadillac dealer, used, still under factory warranty, with about 9,000 (nine thousand) miles on the car. According to the standard “MFD BY GENERAL MOTORS CORP” identification sticker on the lower inside area of the driver-side door (just below the “Tire Loading Information” sticker), the car was manufactured in April 1988, and has a 81xxxx VIN. I still own and drive it. The odometer currently reads just over 220,000 miles.
There is NO special black/silver chrome Cars & Concepts label, nor are there any signs that one of any type was ever present. No rivet holes, no sticky residue from a label that had been removed, no scratches, nothing to indicate any special identification whatsoever. With the exception of the normal, small additional VIN stickers on the front passenger, and both rear doors, there is absolutely no evidence of the special Cars & Concepts label.
I can certainly believe that only those VERY FEW cars for those on the short-list described above for the 1988 Detroit Grand Prix, had the special Cars & Concepts label. But NOT all of the 1988 STS’s which were produced, even if manufactured prior to December 1988 as is implied. Note the the April 1988 GM manufacturing date on my STS, versus the supposed initial custom builds by Cars & Concepts in June 1988. 
Perhaps the {ref 7}:
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“7. Standard Catalog of American Cars 1976-1999 - 3rd Edition; Copyright 1999 by Flammang & Kowalke; pages 167-170”''''
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… is incorrect. 
Or - - maybe I own a very, very, very rare 1988 Cadillac Seville STS.
TurboToad (talk) 03:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1988 STS special label, VIN and manufacturing date ? 

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message: The article needs a significant cleanup: most of the work is original research, completely without actual sourcing. I suspect a good bit of that could be sourced, but clearly a great deal of the article is the pontification of editors interjecting their personal views.  842U (talk) 08:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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