Talk:Thing-Fish

message: Please help resolve the spelling of David Ocker's (Oker?) name.  He is billed by both names on the ArtistDirect web site as playing the Synclavier.  I assumed that was a typo and merged the entries.  Anyone have this album? -- Dave C. 19:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going with 'Ocker', based on the pathetic 69 hits from a google for "david oker", and this. Flowerparty 03:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Obviously you are remembering the interviews incorrectly, since Frank, being a rock star, could not possibly ever have believed anything that was stupid. Richard K. Carson (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Obviously, you've never heard Hed PE's New World Orphans, or Megadeth's Endgame (named for the Alex Jones film). Rock stars do, in fact, believe stupid things. Not saying that Zappa did, but still. --WTF (talk) 03:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: The "plot" section should not be told "in universe"...it needs to be rewritten as if it is describing a work of fiction. PurpleChez (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: I thought FZ referred to this one as an opera. Am I misremembering? Varlaam (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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message: Don't know if this is even relevant, but may be useful for someone.http://www.uncut.co.uk/features/john-cale-my-life-in-music-20963  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patacón (talk • contribs) 18:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: I have removed the category Homophobia in fiction because it is unsourced, and it has a very ambiguous tone. It is not clear whether the album is homophobic, against homophobia, or just about homophobia, and of course the same goes for the author. The album clearly has homosexuality as one of its (many) themes, but nothing is said about homophobia. Adding the category would be wp:original research. - DVdm (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The homophobia in fiction category would specifically refer to the song "He's So Gay," but there is no article yet for that song, so the category would go here. -ApexUnderground (talk) 18:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is no way to know whether the song is homophobic, against homophobia, or just about homophobia. Trying to stick categories to things or people can be problematic. To Zappa it does not work. - DVdm (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is clearly a case where the commentary is anti-Gay, or are you saying that there must be a music reviewer or other public comment who says specifically that the song is anti-Gay? The song repeatedly connects the Gay lifestyle to BDSM and paraphilia, and has a mocking tone toward Gays. The idea that these political categories are political labels that are often misused doesn't mean we should not put appropriate categories on some people. -ApexUnderground (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  With Zappa, one never knows what is serious and what is not, or what is mockery, satire, cynicism or irony. The song might be anti-gay, or anti-anti-gay, or anti-pretend-gay, or anti-pretend-anti-gay... or anti-whatever. And the album might be anti-something-different. And the author might be anti-yet-something-different. You might think this way. Someone else might think another way. That's why Wikipedia needs reliable sources. And it certainly is why sticking labels to Zappa is hard. If not impossible. - DVdm (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I agree that categories are not always perfect or clear. I think the song might not belong in Category:Homophobia, but it is certainly anti-Gay'. I don't think they are the same thing,  but the categories on Wikipedia are connected as if they are the same thing. Anti-Gay is not the exact same thing as homophobia, and these labels are completely wrong on Wikipedia.-ApexUnderground (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Our mileages may vary. You think it's anti-gay. I think it's anti-something-different. - DVdm (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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