Talk:Volkswagen Beetle

message: Narrative of engine development ends with the (U.S.-spec.) '67's 1500. It was succeeded a couple years later by the 1600, then the 1600 dual-port. See  this. Sca (talk) 14:01, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: The Also Called section in the infobox is getting too lengthy.  The purpose of this section is for other names of the vehicle.  Since this is an English Wiki page, it seems incorrect to list the name of the vehicle in other languages as it would have been sold in other non-English speaking markets.  The See Also section of the page lists a link to other names:  List of names for Type 1
Can we agree that the Also Called section of the infobox should be limited to other names in English speaking markets i.e. Bug, Super Beetle, etc?  Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: In the introduction the Production is clamed from 1938 on, but the text clearly sais, that the Production startet not before 1941 in a small scale, and mass production after the war. In 1938 only a few preseries Vehicles where completed. Since when the preseries marks the beginning of the production?--WerWil (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: The real and official name of this car was and is "Volkswagen Käfer" (various types), the name "beetle" in relation to this car was unknown.
The type "beetle" is only correct in relation to the type 5C and afterwards "new beetle" to type 9C. 
The whole article is incorrect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:C540:204:7D0D:C8FD:4C4:A0C5 (talk) 14:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice the page does not say "Beetle" was an official name. It wasn't. Nor was Käfer. The factory called them Typ 1.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: A while ago someone removed the "in popular culture" section. Can we really have this article without mentioning "Herbie? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well popular culture/cultural influence section should definitely be part of this article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 07:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as it meets the WP:IPC guidelines. - BilCat (talk) 08:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the policy nowhere suggests a wholesale removal if some problematic content has accumulated, but talks of trimming and selected removal. I've added the deleted part below for reference purposes. Although it certainly has sourcing issues, most of it seems correct and principally verifiable and at least some of it is definitely proper encyclopedic content (as in WP:IPC compliant content), in particular mentioning Herbie, the missing of which was complained about at the beginning of this thread. Now, whether it is worth salvaging and sourcing parts from the old section or simply writing a new one, that's up to the editors taking on the task. In any case imho Herbie and :de:Dudu (a separate German movie series)  and possibly :no:Pelle Politibil  (Norwegian series about a police beetle) should be mentioned in such a section.--Kmhkmh (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with Kmhkmh on this one, & I'm usually inclined to delete these kinds of sections as junk. If the content is as contained below, IMO it meets the test for cultural impact.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 05:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: There should at least be some mention of the fact that Adolf Hitler had stolen the idea of the VW Beetle from not only a Jewish engineer, but also well as other Czech auto designers at the time.http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-adolf-hitler-stole-idea-for-volkswagen-beetle-from-jewish-engineer-1638037 It is inappropriate to credit Hitler with something he never actually designed and there is heavy proof against it. Nazi Propaganda claimed he developed the car. Everyone knows this is false. Please someone support me in giving at least a notable mention, not the "disputed" mention to the fact that Hitler did not invent the car. The idea was stolen by engineers who were persecuted by the Nazis and driven out of the country https://www.rnw.org/archive/hitlers-vw-beetle-jewish-invention Ganz himself was arrested by the Gestapo because they wanted to erase any trace of his work or responsibility for the original design. Can anyone please support me in changing the statement that: "the Volkswagen was mainly the brainchild of Ferdinand Porsche and Adolf Hitler"Mroz, Albert (June 8, 2016). "The Volkswagen Beetle". Warfare History Network. Sovereign Media. Retrieved November 23, 2017. At least a mention that the idea was stolen should be stated in the article. Can anyone concur with me?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick4512 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If Ganz's role can be documented in good solid sources, I'm all for including it. We should avoid emotive language like "stolen" and "persecuted"; just give the verifiable facts. Also, we should not draw conclusions, such as "was arrested by the Gestapo because they wanted to erase any trace of his work", unless the conclusion is very well-attested. NewEnglandYankee (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit concerned by the proposition Hitler stole the design. He inspired (or financed) the project, but its actual design was by Porsche. Did Porsche "borrow", or appropriate, or outright steal? Maybe--but copying by designers,then & now, is not exactly uncommon...  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 04:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crediting Hitler for stolen idea of car design  

message: Hello, I a little bit confused of why would they removed the Golf platform-based Beetle on the sucessor section of the infobox? I need some answers ASAP. Thank you! VictorTorres2002 (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, it's simple. The first-generation Golf filled the Type 1's market niche. By the time we get to the New Beetle, the market has completely changed. Calling it "design successor" or "style successor" is something done for no other page. Is the '-02 T-bird to be listed as the "style successor" of the '57? is the F-type to be listed as "style successor" to the E-type? And who's going to decide? AFAIK, no source has actually called the New Beetle "style successor" to anything, even if the styling is pretty clearly inspired. (Frankly, the later A5 Beetle is actually closer in styling, so...)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed "design" to "style" only because it is at least styled after the Beetle - it could hardly be further away in design. I agree that either term is daft - I don't see how a model introduced in Europe so much later can be any kind of successor. Ian Dalziel (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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message: On 27 January 2019‎ 2601:246:d00:85c:2cc1:805a:b8de:fdb5 edited:
:(Fixed the stated seating capacity. It claimed it was intended for five people, however, it was not. The Volkswagen Beetle came with 4 seatbelts and a sticker outlining that 4 occupants at maximum should ride in the car.)
I reverted this, based on the existing attached reference:
::(Undid. Cited brochure says: "The back seat has ample room for three...")
Now I see that 147.126.10.152 has just reverted my edit of 27 January.
I'm walking away from this, but if anyone cares, it's clearly WP policy to use reliable refs rather than an anonymous IP's recollection of how many seatbelts, and the alleged fact that "there was a sticker..." -Snori (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. We can seek page protection if unsourced changes by multiple IPs continue this. - BilCat (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

text: If we take this to seatbelts, then we're talking about a car from decades later. So we first of all have to be careful just what we're stating, before we attach a number to it.  Is this the capacity of the original car?  (and so the belts just don't matter) Does it mean seats or capacity? Is that a number of adults or of children? All of these figures are "correct" (in some context) and sourcing them will not help, as all are sourceable. This is a question of clarity in expression.  Andy Dingley (talk) 02:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Number of seatbelts is irrelevant, since it only applies to very much later Type 1s. Capacity was 5, as designed. (That 3 adults in back would be crowded is another matter;  2+2s usually had 2 seats in back, but their suitability for adults, not children or midgets, was pretty notional.)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

text: I'd say that settles it. (And IIRC, the 1938 proposal was for a 5-seater.)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 15:46, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: Contrary to the perception one could get by reading the section about "The People's Car", dozens of manufacturers were already producing vehicles throughout the 1920's and the beginning of the 1930's which were small in terms of size, power output and selling price (e.g. the most known cars Hanomag 2/10 PS "Kommißbrot", Opel 4 PS or Dixi/BMW 3/15) and also saw larger numbers of production.
But since the overwhelming majority of these companies were rather small and the cars being truly manufactured, they couldn't be made in higher volumes and therefore be sold for prices low enough to appeal to the Germans which still were struggling through the aftermaths of WW I, thus explaining why motorcycles were a common mode of individual transportation apart from buses and trains.
In the 1930's, a lot of cars which could have been considered "People Cars" emerged on the German market, even by companies like Mercedes-Benz which were rather known for their upscale and luxury vehicles. The future Volkswagen could be regarded as one of the hobby horses a technically interested Hitler had pursued.
(Fun fact: it is widely reported that Hitler made his tours through Germany during the 1920's in a Selve, a car which was considered as a mid-size vehicle. It is not reported whether Hitler ever owned a driving licence nor if he was driven or driving himself.) --2A02:560:42DB:D800:7404:4103:DC51:54FD (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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message: Käfer generally means beetle in German. The lady bug has the specific name Marienkäfer ("[Holy] Mary's beetle"). I don't know of any special link of the VW Käfer to the lady bug and will remove that connection from the introduction, unless there are objections including sources for the statement. --KnightMove (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: True; in German, Käfer is a generic word for beetle. I reckon that this ladybug thing originates from the French word Coccinelle (meaning ladybug) – in France, it is a common word for this article's subject. There are different terms in different languages for this car that all mean something like "beetle", for example, Maggiolino (Italian, cockchafer), Buba (Serbo-Croat, beetle), or Bogár (Magyar, beetle). I don't think that the article should prominently call it a ladybug, because the German word Käfer (as you have already mentioned) does not specifically describe a ladybug, and since there already is a List of names for the Volkswagen Type 1. So I support the removal from the lead. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 11:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks for the confirmation. --KnightMove (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: This is not my field and I'm not going to edit, but the citation at note 16 does not contain information pertinent to the claims made in the existing article. It should probably be deleted, or the text should be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomp649 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced the ref. Saschaporsche (talk) 08:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: I assume, Volkswagen Beetle was limited to BAOR (RAF Germany) ? and Berlin. Is that correct ? How long British Military used the Volkswagen Beetle ? --213.172.123.242 (talk) 09:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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message: On 26 May 1938, Hitler laid the cornerstone for the Volkswagen factory in Kampala
Kampala ? The capital of Uganada ? Ur serious ? 
Seems to be a joke edit to me. Or, at the very least - it links to a wrong Kampala.
5.164.213.158 (talk) 01:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism, reverted. BilCat (talk) 03:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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message: I just fixed a  error in the article but am now wondering what the sentence means.  Your edit from July 2015 (diff) included "5-mph bumper-equipped" which is now "Five miles per hour (8.0 km/h) bumper-equipped". Does that make sense? Johnuniq (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's  a former US safety standard. See Bumper (car)#Zero-damage standards 1976 for details. Perhaps "equipped with a bumper rated for five miles per hour (8.0 km/h)", and link to that article somewhere. BilCat (talk) 23:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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