Talk:Skoptic syndrome

message: I have removed a section about people taking medications, which I myself added a few months ago, because the term "Skoptic Syndrome" is being used to demonize those with a gender dysphoria similar to myself.
It is a term that was first coined in the 70's and is likely to disappear very soon, with the publication of the DSM-V
I personally find the term "Skoptic Syndrome" highly offensive and would like to see it disappear, along with words like "nigger", "faggot".  It is offensive, and used to demonize a very real subsection of society who are perfectly healthy and are gender or body dysphoric and dysmorphic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.132.221 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I do not think that Victor T. Cheney, who is used as a reference in the article, is a reliable source of information. Although he admits that there are disadvantages to castration, he still seems to think that castration is a miracle cure for a variety of maladies. He even recommends involuntary castration for those infected with HIV. In addition, his views on race have been outdated for many years and are scientifically inaccurate. For example, he claims, "In Germany, the Nordic stock actively fostered and maintained their purity under Hitler." The notion of racial purity was debunked decades ago (there are several other problems with his various racial comments). Also, he either offensively equates Mongolians with the mentally retarded or offensively uses "Mongolian" as a synonym for Down syndrome (it is not clear from the context which one it is). This all comes from the 2004 edition, so there is no excuse for the outdated information about race or the offensive use of the word "Mongolian". 
He apparently has no degrees that make him qualified to write about the subject. We are told that, "He has been empowered to reveal first-hand insights based on his extensive research, and his personal health conditions both before and after castration." However, in my opinion, to be able to write intelligently about a medical procedure and its psychological and social effects (let alone to claim that you are "America's foremost authority on castration"), you need to have, at the least, a bachelor's degree that relates to the subject, such as pre-med or biological science. I have been unable to find out if Cheney ever went to college at all, but his mistakes in simple biology as well as his views on race make me suspect that he did not get a degree, at least not one that is relevant to the subject. Also, I think that a degree would have been mentioned on his web page for the book, as it contained a lot of other information about him. In addition, his first hand insights about the effects of his castration are not relevant to many of his claims, as he had his testicles removed due to prostate cancer. That is unless he also suffered from "schizophrenia, psychosis, violent behaviors, paraphilias, mania, overactive libido, baldness, sleep apnea... and sexually transmitted diseases."
Cheney claims to have done extensive research over the past 25 years, yet he complains that there was no information about castration and eunuchs in libraries, with the exception of a few foreign language titles. He says that in 2001, only three years before the release of the 2004 version of his book, that he found out by searching the web "that information available on castration had changed from scarcity to adequacy." However, I did not have much success in locating reliable sources that support his position, even though the web has greatly expanded since 2001.
Finally, his publisher, American Focus Publishing, also called USCCCN International, publishes material that is of questionable validity. For example, "The Illuminati's Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is one of their books, but The Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been proven to be a hoax. There are also many books about alleged Satanic ritual abuse, which is now believed by most experts to be a myth. -- Kjkolb (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Using Victor T. Cheney as a reference

message: this article is a mess, it sounds like it's not a recognized disorder, that the people with this consider calling it "a disorder" offensive, and most of the article is like "why castration is good actually" which, is weird. and it sounds like the main source for that is a eugenics guy? this is a mess. how is this even relevant?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.146.29 (talk) 05:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  article possible candidate for deletion? 

message: Is this article notable as it stands? Is there an article it might be merged with? It seems to be predicated on this paper alone , and a couple of primary sources repeating the term do not really verify it as a notable subject. There is a notable subject in here somewhere, I think, but it is not at all clear that it goes by the name of Skoptic syndrome. I'd take it to AfD, but not if there is somewhere we could simply merge it, or if someone has evidence it is more than a neologism coined for a particular paper. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not, I'll see if I can find anything more on it though. The article also talks specifically as it being phenomena in males/men, but also never states it is specifically exclusive to males, so I'll try to find anything on occurrences in females/women. I'll also see if I can find s similar disorder/phenomena under a separate name. That'll be... interesting to search. ¿VØ!D? ✨ 22:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I looked into it and coudn't find much apart from a very few mentions. I think AFD is the best solution because there's not much to merge, there's 2 sentences that fail verification (that it's a body dysmorphic disorder), and 2 paragraphs to unreliable sources (neither of which actually use the term) talking about castration in general. Eunuch#Religious Castration mentions , so I think expanding that if we have sources is the move. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 18:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a page on the Skoptsy but that is not what this article is about. We don’t have an article on the more widely used term, Klingsor syndrome, although it does get mentioned elsewhere. Maybe AfD would be for the best, yes.  Redirect to emasculation might also work, as there is a relevant section there. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree there is nothing to merge here. All we have is an alternative name for genital self mutilation. In the first instance I am going to WP:BLAR to emasculation. If there is a subject it is likely to be GSM and not this subject. Klingsor syndrome gets more coverage but still largely primary, and disagreement about the extent of the term. GSM is teh subject if there is one, but it is covered in emasculation and can be spun out from there if necessary. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability