Talk:Suleiman ibn Qutalmish

message: :Suleyman was made governor of the north-western provinces. The explanation proffered for this choice can be inferred from Ibn al-Athir’s account of the battle between Alp Arslan and Kutalmish: upon the death of Kutalmish, Alp Arslan wept the death and greatly mourned the loss of his kinsman.
I have removed the passage above from the article. What is the source for this speculative statement? Aramgar (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: al-Athir's account

message: It seems there was a discussion on the name of the article and with a very few support it has been moved. Too bad the discussion is closed. But move reverting should be considered. 
*Suleiman ibn Qutulmish means Suleiman who is the son of Qutulmish. That's an Arabic way of naming people and it has never been used in other sultans of Seljuks. (By the way they were not Arabic speakers. Their mother tongue was Turkish and  the lingua franca was Persian.)
*In this Wikipedia the name of the father is Kutalmish and not Qutulmish. 
*The proposer thinks that there were no other Suleimans in Seljuks history. But the proposer is mistaken. There was another Suleiman (1196-1204) in Seljuks history just one century later. So it is inevitable to use the numeral I for Suleiman.  Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they made mistakes. I think his fathers name must be written Qutalmish or Kutalmish (Qutalmish is common name in English)
*"Sulayman ibn Qutulmish" -Llc 6
*"Suleiman ibn Qutulmish" -Llc 9
*"Sulaiman ibn Qutulmish" -Llc 5
*"Sulayman ibn Qutalmish" -Llc 21
*"Sulaiman ibn Qutalmish" -Llc 6
*"Suleiman ibn Qutalmish" -Llc 3
*"Sulaiman ibn Kutalmish" -Llc 6
Takabeg (talk) 00:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reconsider moving 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved   (t · c) buidhe 05:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Suleiman ibn Qutulmish →  – This article needs to be reverted back to its original title per WP:TITLECON, and WP:NCROY. The original argument that was made on the grounds of consistency is not valid anymore as many of the pages were moved to more concise and appropriate titles in the following years. In fact, at this point, all of the subsequent Rum sultans are named by their first name and regnal number (Suleiman II of Rûm, Kilij Arslan I, Mesud I, Kilij Arslan II, Kaykhusraw I, etc.) The instructions for naming monarchs are also pretty clear, and Suleiman I of Rûm would be the best choice according to the criteria. Keivan.fTalk 21:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

text: *Comment  Just out of curiosity, do you still get 0 results when using "Rum" instead of "Rûm"? Keivan.fTalk 00:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *There's only 1 hit, which is a forum thread and therefore does not meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Reliable sources. DrKay (talk) 09:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 January 2021 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 13:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Suleiman ibn Qutulmish →  – The consensus from an earlier discussion showed that compared to "Suleiman I of Rum", the current name "Suleiman ibn Qutulmish" (lit. Suleiman son of Qutulmish) is actually more common. However, it seems that the spelling of his father's name is incorrect. The modern Turkish spelling of the name is Kutalmış. Currently, his father's article is at Qutalmish. So an argument based on WP:TITLECON can be made for moving this page. User:Takabeg also had left a comment on the talk page a long time ago, which demonstrated that "Suleiman ibn Qutalmish" is the common name when compared to other variant spellings. The page, thus, needs to be moved based on WP:COMMONNAME as well. Keivan.fTalk 09:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 January 2021