Talk:Concept album

message: Been doing some research for the Album era article and happened to come across mention of the Beach Boys' Little Deuce Coupe as the first pop/rock concept album. From Chris Smith's 101 Albums that Changed Popular Music (p. xix): "The Beach Boys release the car-themed Little Deuce Coupe in October [1963], introducing rock and roll to the concept album. Though albums such as Frank Sinatra's 1955 In the Wee Small Hours and Marty Robbins' 1959 Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs had already introduced concept albums, Little Deuce Coupe was the first to comprise almost all original material rather than standard covers."
There's not even a hint of this at Little Deuce Coupe, and I've never come across it before. I'm normally quite wary of these general, wide-ranging music books when it comes to specific details – the scope is so wide, covering several decades and hundreds of artists, and there are always a few major errors as a result. But maybe this is on the level? JG66 (talk) 04:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Deuce Coupe? 

message: I recently added the following to the article, which I felt was notable and worthwhile. Could someone tell me why it was reverted? I thought that WP:PRESERVE would apply? And that the addition would pave the way for further article expansion by others?
"Concept albums also exist in other musical genres. For example, African jazz trumpeter Hugh Masekela's Colonial Man (1976) features Masekela on the album cover, standing on a ship, dressed as a European explorer. The album's lyrics express anti-colonial sentiments and challenge European narratives about the "discovery" of Africa."
--Danimations (talk) 02:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not sourced (WP:RS), and even if it was, there was nothing significant about the album in the context of this article (WP:NAMEDROP). "Concept albums also exist in other musical genres" is a redundant claim.  Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was this edit reverted? 

message: Should Muse be here? They’re a very popular band and have done a few concept albums DemonDays64 (talk) 00:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a popular band that recorded concept albums is not notable in itself. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muse? 

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message: I wonder if anyone knows when the term "concept album" was first used. I thought it was coined in response to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - I had never heard of it before then. Of course, I was only 13 at the time, and didn't read the serious music magazines (which in those days didn't focus on rock at all). PatConolly (talk) 07:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering this as well, since I read Johnny Rogan state in a few of his books about the Kinks that the term didn't yet exist in 1968. I haven't found anything in dictionaries on its first use. Google Ngram Viewer indicates it first appeared in print in 1965. Tkbrett (✉) 23:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "concept album" 

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message: I don't think established Wikipedia users understand how frustrating this is, when your edits just get immediately reverted with explanation.  It drives away anyone that wants to productively contribute.  I removed a paragraph that gave undue weight to a fringe view.  It was reverted without explanation, so I removed it again.  It was re-added again, saying I need to get 'consensus'.  Let's remember 'Be Bold', people.  It is not necessary to get consensus before removing useless information.
> In a year-ending essay on the album in 2019, Ann Powers wrote for Slate that the year found the medium in a state of flux. In her observation, many recording artists revitalized the concept album around autobiographical narratives and personal themes, such as intimacy, intersectionality, African-American life, boundaries among women, and grief associated with death. She cited such albums as Brittany Howard's Jaime, Raphael Saadiq's Jimmy Lee, Jamila Woods' Legacy! Legacy!, Rapsody's Eve, Jenny Lewis' On the Line, Julia Jacklin's Crushing, Joe Henry's The Gospel According to Water, and Nick Cave's Ghosteen.
This is just not material that needs to be in the page.  To put it as politely as possible:  Ann Powers is not exactly Roger Ebert.  Her views just aren't that notable.  This section is meant to cover a period of 40 years.  About a third of it is dedicated to covering an essay in Slate, going on to talk about, frankly, a bunch of very obscure musicians.  The paragraph also uses some very political concepts like "intersectionality".  This just sounds like some critic filling a word quota for her weekly column by picking buzzwords out of a hat.
I'll put it this way: should there be a paragraph in the article covering every opinion piece ever written that mentions concept albums?  Or should it be restricted to including notable contributions to the body of human knowledge?  I think it is clear that Wikipedia's policies and general style favour the latter.  You're reading an article about concept albums in a broad sense and then you get a random paragraph at the end that is just incongruous with the rest of the article.  Very annoying to have to come here and debate removing it when it is so obviously unnecessary. mrout talk 10:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WP is not your private fiefdom. Stop playing the victim. Ann Powers has an article. So at least some editors think her views are notable. Add more material from the last 40 years because as you said that other views are necessary. Concept albums are still being made today. So we need more, not less, critical analysis of modern concept albums. Also, political philosophies are a standard and commonplace part of mainstream criticism. This material is only unnecessary and/or incongruous in your opinion. It flows perfectly well with the rest of the article. There's some truth to the claims of obscurity, although I wouldn't call Nick Cave obscure by any stretch of the imagination. 5.151.106.5 (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is extremely frustrating to have revisions reverted with no explanation