Talk:Evan Stephens

message: There seems to be a desire to counter every one of Quinn's points in detail in this section. I don't think that's necessary. The section sets out Quinn's views, and then sets out the counter views — both in a fairly general, summarised way. We don't need to get into the minutiae of the details, IMO. Quinn wrote a ton about it and it generated a ton of material rebutting it, and this article can't possibly reproduce it all. That's one reason there are references, so people looking for more information can read them. It needn't be the focus of the entire article. Snocrates 03:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged homosexuality section

message: This article states that in interviews conducted in the 1950s and 1990s, Stephens said....  But Stephens died in the 1930s!  This needs to be clarified.ukforever (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Interviews?

message: This category has been removed a couple of times. The category does not categorize him as a "homosexual Mormon". It indicates that the topic is one that has been significant in the topic of "homosexuality and Mormonism", which the section on his alleged homosexuality indicates. It's the controversy/debate over his sexuality that makes the category applicable, not his actual sexual orientation (which for him can never be proved one way or the other in any case). For example, James O. Mason is clearly not a homosexual Mormon, but he is included in the category due to his promotion of therapy for gays within Mormonism that wish to decrease or change their same-sex attraction. A similar rationale applies to this article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The issues you address miss the point, I think. One of the primary reasons Stephens is notable is because of Quinn's analyses in his book. The same cannot be said of Smith—Smith is not notable primarily because of Quinn's allegations of homosexuality.  Stephens doesn't get all that much coverage otherwise  in sources, especially outside of Mormon publications. The question is not whether or not he was homosexual—you seem to think not, but I don't think at this stage any of us can really know. The question is: what topics are relevant to his notability? (Frankly, the idea of a sexual orientation didn't really exist in Stephens's time, so asking whether or not he was gay is kind of like asking if Joseph Smith was a Darwinian.) For instance, do a google books search of "Evan Stephens"—Quinn's book is the first result. I'm not saying that this is all he is notable for, but I am saying that there is enough of a connection to include a category. He is discussed prominently in Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for instance. Categorizing him in this category does not mean we are categorizing him as a "gay Mormon"—the category for that is —see my comment about James O. Mason above. The same applies to A. Dean Byrd and Carol Lynn Pearson—they are definitely not homosexual Mormons, but they are related to the topic area enough to include them in the category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Homosexuality and Mormonism

message: Can we get a consensus on this before :Category:Homosexuality and Mormonism is removed again? As I've suggested above, whether Quinn is right or not and whether Stephens was gay or whether he had any desire for sexual relations with men is not really the point. We're not categorizing Stephens in , nor would it be appropriate to do so in the circumstances. What is the point is that Quinn and others have written a significant amount about homosexuality and Mormonism in the context of Stephens's life. Thus the person is relevant to the overall topic. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: And again

message: OK, this is getting repetitive. I'll just repeat my comment from the above section. Can we get a consensus on this before removing :Category:Homosexuality and Mormonism again? If needed, we can have a RfC. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:55, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: And again

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message: This article states that Sarah Daniels was Stephens' "great niece", meaning the granddaughter of one of his siblings. However she was just 10 years younger than him, making it virtually impossible for her to have such a familial relationship with him. In fact, both her parents were born in 1838 while Stephens' oldest sibling, Helinor, was born in 1831. Also the ancestry of both as shown in the LDS Church's own "Family Tree" at FamilySearch.org shows they had no common ancestry and no close biological relationship at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekerilaz (talk • contribs) 22:27, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarah Daniels