Talk:Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia

message: This page has been protected for the past two weeks. No discussion has occurred on the issues at all in the talk page. Are the issues being resolved and the disputed parties moving towards discussion? If there are no objections, I will request unprotection for all the other users that wish to edit. Warring users should be dealt with through other means. Calwatch 00:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request unprotection?

message: The official portrait of HIH Olga on the article page.... it is strikingly similar to the dress that "Anastasia" wore in the final scene of the animated remake of Anastasia (voiced by Meg Ryan)... I have heard the film producers did research extensively the aspects of the Imperial Russian dress, culture, and the stories of Anna Anderson. But does the Duchess' dress match the one in the article photo??? If you need to see the picture of the animated-Anastasia dress, I bet you could find it on a related website...
Thanks
AJ24 01:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  portrait connection to cinema? 

message: The photo in the article is of Olga Nikolaevna, not Olga Alexandrovna.
:The problem has been corrected, thank you for the notification. -- AJ24 13:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Olga 

message: The full names of Nikolai, Tikhon, and Juri Kulikovsky highlighted in red (article to-be), are misrepresented. The full, styled names of the three are:
*Colonel Nikolai Alexandrovich Kulikovsky 
*(Count) Tikhon Nikolaevich Kulikovsky-Romanoff
*(Count) Juri Nikolaevich Kulikovsky-Romanoff 
Until the actual full name (with correct title or usage) can be confirmed, I ask users not to create the red highlighting. If an article were written under those names they would be incorrect. -- AJ24 20:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, was her second marriage morganatic? (So the Kulikovsky-Romanoffs wouldn't have a claim to the Russian Throne). Indisciplined 16:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Thanks to AJ24 for confirming the above. Should this fact be mentioned somewhere in the article? Indisciplined 23:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kulikovsky articles: to be delayed 

message: Il serait peur-être intéressant de nommer "Ballerup-DK" où Olga vecu 18 ans ,et beaucoup de ses motifs représenta cette région, et qui possède (son musée) plus de 100  oeuvres de l'artiste. Je possède une très belle aquarelle de Olga, que je compte mettre sur Commons quand j'aurai fait une photo suffisante. --217.157.170.125 19:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballerup in Danmark 

message: Olga Alexandrovna never "reigned" so therefore she cannot be considered the last reigning member of the House of Romanov.  I have deleted that phrase.
Susan/sef127 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not considered the last reigning member of the House of Romanov 

message: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna was not the last surviving granchild of Emperor Alexander II. His grandson George, Count of Merenberg died in 1965, Countess Olga of Merenberg died in 1983. Prince Alexander Bariatinsky died in 1992. Prince Alexander Yurievsky died in 1988. All of them were granchildren of Alexander II and Princess Ekaterina Yurievskaya.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.225.108 (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last surviving grandchild of Alexander II 

message: The article is currently suffocated by lengthy and sometimes irrelevant quotations. I think the quotations that are relevant to the subject should be moved into the prose of the text and not as separate quote sections like they are now. There are several more issues in the text which I am going to address and would like to discuss with those interested in the future of this article:
*Minimizing lengthy quotations
*Re-title the superfluous subtitles (i.e. The Fall of the House of Romanov)
*Reference every item of information in need of referencing with inline citations from 3 literary sources
*Determine whether the many photographs are usable in the article per Wikipedia's fair use policies
*Significant edit of the prose
*Generally put the article in accordance with Wikipedia's Good Article Criteria
Thanks. -- AJ24 (talk) 22:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements needed 

message: The legacy section has its problems. On one hand is goes too long. Olga's legacy as an artist is not memorable. A skilful amateur artist at her best, she was certainly no Picazo. The lengthy quotations also must be minimized. Perhaps something else regarding today's view on her can be added or information on Olga's descendants--Miguelemejia (talk) 19:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing wrong with the quotations or discussing her art. DrKay (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: quotations should be shorten and additional information regarding other aspects of her legacy added--Miguelemejia (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with the length of the quotations. DrKay (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy  

message: 05 Dec 2012: Add 716 to the Gerrard Street address where she died. Noted here: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/romanovs/grandduchess01.html
The building still stands with apartments on top and Dragonair Travel & Tours at the street level according to Google Maps. This matches the old newspaper photo on the angelfire site. ~EF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.63.36.54 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I also note that at that site an eye-witness and acquaintance is quoted as saying "I had heard that she was ill, so my friend Erma Large and I drove into Toronto to see her. She was living over a hairdressing salon." The salon was run by the Martemianoff's daughter Galina . You can also see Dragontours here, with a beauty/hair design/make-up shop still next door at 718, which is the same view you can see on google street view. DrKay (talk) 17:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  716 Gerrard Street East 

message: *http://www.synod.com/synod/eng2013/20130111_enromanov.html
*http://www.royalhistorian.com/from-st-petersburg-to-toronto-the-life-of-grand-duchess-olga-alexandrovna-1882-1960/
*https://www.irishtimes.com/news/dispute-over-place-of-burial-keeps-royal-skeletons-rattling-1.129206
*http://www.smh.com.au/comment/obituaries/leonid-kulikovsky-greatgrandson-of-a-russian-tsar-20151210-gll3pf.html
*https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/tsar-heir-dies-an-nt-pauper-ng-ya-133236
*http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/621927/Russia-long-lost-royal-family-Kulikovsky-Tsar-Katherine-Australia-old-man-walking-dog-dead
*https://books.google.com/books?id=g_Y5NmOj8LkC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Kulikovsky
*https://books.google.com/books?id=YIhU7RWPFBYC&pg=PT430&lpg=PT430&dq=Kulikovsky
*https://books.google.com/books?id=dCEGxF4i1L8C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=Kulikovsky
*http://ahwilkens.com/grand-duchess-olga-back-on-the-block/
*http://www.artnet.com/artists/grand-duchess-olga-alexandrovna/tikhon-kulikovsky-as-kings-guard-at-amalienborg-TUkNhdFbGEjKTOj8kZXLhQ2
*http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/library/docs/holy_trinity_sem_collections_biographies_english.pdf
*http://orthodoxcanada.ca/Grand_Duchess_Olga_Alexandrovna_Kulikovskaya
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=4175
*http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2094.225
*1532/9: Olga Alexandrovna: The artist's son, two years old Tihon Kulikovsky, outside the house in Novo-Minskaya. 1919. Signed Olga. Gouache and watercolour. 22 x 27 cm.
*https://au.linkedin.com/in/arch-tikhon-romanov-610643123
*https://www.geni.com/people/Livia-Sebesteyn/6000000019880192149
*https://www.nature.com/ng/wilma/v12n4.867853248.html
*http://www.thepeerage.com/p6579.htm
*https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/kulikovsky.html
*https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/russian-royalty-front-row-from.html
*https://fineartamerica.com/featured/russian-royalty-front-row-from-left-everett.html
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7404214
*http://www.swedenmark.eu/familygroup.php?familyID=F9198
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=164978830
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=155334244
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=155629125
*https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=vcsr&GSvcid=355087
*https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Grand-Duchess-Olga-Alexandrovna/72B3EA7E618B3552/AuctionResults
*http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/grand-duchess-olga-1882-1960-four-scenes-of-6077932-details.aspx
*Grand Duchess Olga (1882-1960) Lots 57-61 - Christie's
*https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/43357399_photographs-guri-and-tihkon-nikolaevich-kulikovsky
* Xenia Jones (born Kulikovsky) was born on month day 1941, to Guri Nikolaevich Kulikovsky and Ruth Kulikovsky (born Schwartz). Guri was born in 1919. Ruth was born in 1921. Xenia had 2 brothers: Leonid Kulikovsky and one other sibling. Xenia married Ralph Jones. They had one child. Xenia married Finn Larsen. They had 2 children: Vivian Larsen and one other child. Xenia married first name Aage. They had one child. Xenia passed away.
*Xenia Kulikovsky Nielsen
*Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 01:58, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kulikovsky-Romanov 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I see this article was written in British English ("jewellery"). Per MOS:RETAIN it ought to have been kept in this dialect unless there was a special reason to change it. It currently appears to be in a mixture of both dialects, which looks a bit weird. How did it pass through the TFA process like this? --John (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't promoted in that state, which you'd have seen if you'd bothered to look. Look at the guideline: MOS:TIES supersedes MOS:RETAIN. DrKay (talk) 12:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations on finding the talk page, it's so much better than the revert button. So you're claiming the article as Canadian because she lived the last 12 years of her life there? Bit of a stretch. I personally oppose it. What do others think? My main point was that the article cannot appear on the main page or even continue to be a FA with a mixture of spelling variants in it. --John (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't have a mixture of spelling variants. DrKay (talk) 12:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

text: I've posted at this talk page more often than any other editor. You found the revert button, misusing rollback in the process. The article was expanded and promoted to FA with Canadian spelling, as explained on the featured article nomination page. Insisting on British English or avoiding Canadian English is not one of the featured article criteria. Even tThe diff you linked to above is in Canadian English [not in British English] (note: "realized" and "organization" ["neighboring" and "honor"]). DrKay (talk) 14:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Stating something at a peer review is not a consensus to change the spelling dialect. Having consistent spelling is very much a FA criterion. --John (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling is consistent. And the variety is not changed. Under MOS:RETAIN, the variety should remain Canadian unless there is a strong argument to change it, which there isn't. DrKay (talk) 19:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we seem to be at cross purposes here. Does anybody else have an opinion? We can't really run it like this or keep it featured. There are some other problems too. John (talk) 19:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to explain why it can't retain the original Canadian spelling and why it should change from Canadian to British spelling. DrKay (talk) 21:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See my post of 21:32, 1 February 2018. It's right at the top of this section. --John (talk) 22:01, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See my post of 14:23, 3 February 2018. The diff you provided shows that the article was written in Canadian English not British [does not show that the article was written in British English]. DrKay (talk) 22:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed not. As "jewellery" is British English. --John (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also Canadian, as is "realized" and "organization"; "neighboring" and "honor", which you will also see in that diff are not British. If MOS:RETAIN is so important to you, the very first diff of this page: 13 September 2004 is uniformly American spelling: "traveled", "kilometers", "honor" and in mdy dates. The first dmy date is introduced 9 March 2006 and the first British spelling introduced is 10 July 2006: "jewellery". The expansion for the FAC nomination [in 2009–10] standardized everything as Canadian spelling and dmy dates, per MOS:TIES. Under MOS:RETAIN, the article should use American spelling and mdy dates. DrKay (talk) 22:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You now seem thoroughly confused. American spelling does not use "jewellery" at all, and it is uncommon in Canadian. --John (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You provided a diff which shows an article containing the words "jewellery", "realized", "organization", "neighboring" and "honor". That indicates one word is spelled in the British way and all others in the American way. The way to resolve that discrepancy is to change jewellery to jewelry not to change the other four to your favored variety. The article was spelled the American way until the word "jewellery" was introduced. You must now choose between retaining the original and majority American spelling or agreeing with MOS:TIES that the article should be Canadian. DrKay (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: My favoured variety? I don't give a flying fuck which variety the article uses. But it has to use one, not two. Otherwise it can't be a featured article. --John (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Canadian English uses both. Here is a Globe and Mail article using jewellery. SarahSV (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  ENGVAR 

message: * "Devoted friends" is purple prose. Not the right tone for here. 
* We do not italicise "i.e."
* This is also purple prose. Would be better just to say "Conditions in the nursery were modest, even Spartan.[2] They slept on hard camp beds, rose at dawn, washed in cold water, and ate porridge for breakfast."
:*All the biographers of Alexander's children make a point of this, and Wikipedia should follow the sources. DrKay (talk) 08:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *The sources used in the article do not qualify this story. There are many stories of Alexander's unusual physical strength but there aren't any that I'm aware of saying it was puffery. DrKay (talk) 08:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *Count Sergei Witte and the Twilight of Imperial Russia: A Biography, p32 calls it "an unfounded story", and puts it on a par with the crash being caused by revolutionaries. --John (talk) 09:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article quality 

message: Why is the definite article sometimes used? I see that the Crimea article does not use it but this one does. Is the rule to say "the Crimea" when discussing events of the early 20th Century? TypoBoy (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody has responded. I suspect that the definite-article style was copied thoughtlessly from old sources. I have made this change. TypoBoy (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Crimea" vs. "The Crimea"