Talk:Jenny Tonge, Baroness Tonge

message: What are Jenny's views on creationism being taught in schools? 
From the statement in the article it is not clear though it seems to hint that she is pro-creationism.
(The external link to the Epolitix article makes clear that Jenny Tonge is opposed to creationism.)194.75.128.2 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although some people feel it is more appropriate to reserve the style 'right honourable' to privy counsellors, all peers in the degrees of lord of parliament, baron, viscount, and earl are style 'right honourable'.--90.206.67.153 (talk) 12:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jenny_Tonge.2C_Baroness_Tonge. CarolMooreDC 02:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Marked with green check per below. CarolMooreDC 15:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP Noticeboard entry

message: OK, I thought I'd searched highbeam, but putting in the two MPs names actually gave me at least two or more good sources, at least one of which does quote what Tonge actually said on Warsaw Ghetto.  Again proving that sourcing is everything. So I'll redo per those. CarolMooreDC 15:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: New sources

message: Why is "Her support for the Palestinian people and criticism of Israel" controversial?  Surely she is entitled to her opinion, and criticism of Israel is not illegal?203.184.41.226 (talk) 02:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't, but if you read the article, it explains how her outspoken views have caused controversy. Without wanting to get into that controversy here, it seems fair to say they go considerably beyond the position of her former party, the Liberal Democrats, on the subject, and attracted them much criticism until she resigned the whip. Robofish (talk) 22:36, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Article should give some indication of how her surname is pronounced... -- AnonMoos (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation?

message: Currently, the Wikipedia article on the Campaign Against Antisemitism, which is linked to from the current article, is little more than a stub. There is more information on Powerbase here. Powerbase also has an article on the Campaign's chairman, Gideon Falter, and spokesman, Jonathan Sacerdoti, here and here. Falter was at the centre of the prosecution of Foreign Office diplomat Rowan Laxton (the "Ranting Diplomat") for comments Falter and one other alleged he had made in a gym while watching a news report about the killing of a farmer in Gaza. Later, at a Crown Court appeal, a judge and two magistrates decided that Laxton had not made the comment on which the prosectution relied. According to this Electronic Intifada article, the BBC Trust determined that the way Sacerdoti had been used in the reporting of Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012 had breached BBC impartiality guidelines (other articles by the same author are here and here). The breach related to the failure to make clear Sacerdoti's activism on behalf of Israel ("... the interviewee was introduced without sufficient context. The BBC had not made clear to the audience that the interviewee was associated with a particular viewpoint and this had resulted in a breach of Impartiality guideline 4.4.14."). Tony Greenstein wrote about the Campaign Against Antisemitism here.      ←   ZScarpia   00:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campaign Against Antisemitism 

message: The penultimate paragraph starting "Tonge chaired a meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords - - -" needs changing, for two reasons: (a) as it stands it does not report the content, the topic and other important aspects of the meeting, and; (b) it misleadingly suggests Tonge was in a position to "reproach or redress" a member of the audience (not one of the invited speakers) who it alleges to have claimed Jews ‘provoked’ their own genocide. She was in no position to "reproach or redress" the person in question, as he spoke rapidly and in a fashion that made him virtually incomprehensible. I was an eye-witness to all this.
The meeting was seriously misreported in the Press, creating considerable irritation among those who attended.  Many of these can, if required, attest to what I state here.
I ask that the penultimate paragraph be redrafted as follows:
"On October 25th 2016 she chaired a meeting in the House of Lords organised by the Palestinian Return Centre. The purpose was to launch a campaign to get the UK government to apologise for not fulfilling the second part of the Balfour Declaration, which says “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”. During the meeting a member of the audience, a rabbi from the Neturei Karta sect of Judaism, made a barely audible and muddled speech that the Chair ignored, before giving another audience member the opportunity to speak. The next morning press reports appeared blaming the chair for not silencing the rabbi’s allegedly anti-Semitic comments. The Liberal Democrats suspended her from the party immediately, but without investigating the matter. Bs Tonge chose to resign, and now sits as an Independent peer in the House of Lords".Melepsipo (talk) 12:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to bring WP:RS for your claims.Shrike (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for correction of penultimate paragraph to ensure an accurate account 

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message: Regarding the 25 October 2016 meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords (that Baroness Tonge chaired), the entry fails to state that she was completely exonerated by the Lords Commissioners after they investigated and examined a video of the event.
The citation is https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldprivi/142/142.pdf   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.182.99 (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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message: I suggest that the citation for the article, Kennedy, Dominic (27 October 2016). "Jews blamed for Holocaust at 'shameful' House of Lords event". The Times, be replaced.  
1. It was the subject of a succesful complaint to the Independent Press Standards Organisation. 
2. It was at the centre of antisemitism claims made against the Palestine Return Centre which were dismissed on investigation.   
3. It, or a similar article by Marcus Dysch in The Jewish Chronicle, were used in a book by Tom Bower which was serialised in The Mail on Sunday, which later caused the book to be amended and the newspaper to pay damages.  
    ←   ZScarpia   15:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not reliable source:  Kennedy, Dominic (27 October 2016). "Jews blamed for Holocaust at 'shameful' House of Lords event". The Times. 

message: It seems to me that this page might benefit from at least two modifications. The first is that Baroness Tonge has announced that she will retire from the House of Lords on February 19th, 2021. https://lordsbusiness.parliament.uk/ItemOfBusiness?itemOfBusinessId=89618§ionId=53&businessPaperDate=2021-01-05; see also e.g. https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/baroness-tonge-to-step-down-from-the-house-of-lords/. 
The second is that a number of the remarks she has made which have engendered allegations of anti-Semitism cannot properly be understood as "comments about Israel" and/or "comments about the Gaza Strip". For example, in a tweet on August 11, 2018 that has attracted criticism, she asks: "Why have the Jewish people been persecuted over and over again throughout history? Why? I never get an answer. If we discussed this, we would be accused of anti Semitism [sic], so better not, and so it goes on!" The phrase "over and over again throughout history" makes clear that the question is not limited to persecution from 1948 onwards; it is therefore inaccurate to include this under the heading "Comments about Israel and the Gaza strip (2012–present)". Perhaps it might be most appropriate to have a heading that reads "allegations of anti-semitism"? I appreciate consideration of this matter by the wider community of editors who seem to be monitoring this page.
Publius In The 21st Century (talk) 02:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonge's retirement & proposal for section on comments regarding Jews that do not concern Israel 

message: Please add a note that she is author to her autobiography “Pit Banks to Red Benches” published by Louisa Publications in September 2021. For evidence search all main online bookshops or Amazon. 82.132.239.224 (talk) 14:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2021 

message: Change Deputy leader of the Labour Party to Deputy Leader of the Labour Party please!
It is not consistent. House of Nobles (talk) 19:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find what you're referring to. The word "deputy" shows up once in the article in reference to Tom Watson, and the capitalization there is fine. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 15:26, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Hyperlink is showing Deputy leader of the Labour Party not Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. House of Nobles (talk) 22:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's a redirect, but  cuz why not. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 10:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 December 2021