Talk:...Baby One More Time (song)

message: This article reads as if the writer was making a big show of pausing to think in the middle of sentences.  Regardless of the album cover's typographic treatment, the title of the song is "Baby One More Time", without the punctuation.  —Michael Z. 2005-08-11 21:58 Z
:Um, no. It's not. It's supposed to be punctuated like that, as stupid as it sounds. Runa27 23:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: The song and Britney's costume are described as "infamous", without explaining why they are infamous.  Just because the video is sexy, or is there more to it?    —Michael Z. 2005-08-11 22:03 Z
:The two main objections (from moralists such as U.S. conservatives) would be the pre-adolescent extramarital sexuality along with the tarting up of the parochial school uniform. Both are seen as abuses, as conservatives often feel that girls and boys should avoid sex before marriage. 
:I can probably dig up a quote or two branding the video as "soft porn" or calling Spears a "pop tart". --Uncle Ed 17:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infamy 

message: I hear this song has a subliminal message that says "sleep with me, i'm not too young" when played backwards. someone should add that. 64.251.182.80 00:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you are talking about This? It seems pretty real, but i can't verify it. --ThrashedParanoid 02:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Download Audacity and then you can check yourself.  Yes, it is true.
The section on the backmasking seems to have been removed without reason given, so I'm putting it back until someone can give reason for it being taken out. Prophaniti 11:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Done; but rather than that link, I linked to a YouTube video, which is more verifiable.Michael2 10:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My edit was removed  on the basis that it was original research. I would like to know why this is considered original research—according to the No Original Research page, a video is a primary source, rather than an original piece of research (and I did not make the video). The policy page says "...make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims, unless such claims are verifiable either from the primary source itself". I believe the video verifies my claim. Would anyone agree or disagree?Michael2 05:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Common sense is not original research and wikipedia does allow common sense. Whats next? Perhaps we should also cite that a light bulb emits light? Or the sky is blue, we need to cite that too. This citation business is getting out of control. Anyway, the back masking is real, you can youtube "Britney Subliminal" as well as google as many reputable sources have catched on to it. Also, if your unsure about how effective subliminal messaging is youtube "derren brown subliminal" and watch him influence people using subliminal messaging. Backmasking is deliberate in many cases and it is v. effective, if you have time log on to blackwell synergy and read the studies made on back masking and subliminal persuasion, the results are overwhelming. The school uniform and school based (which has nothing to do with the lyrics btw) video it self backs up the subliminal message. In other words, all the school girl fans of Britney listening to the track are subliminally encouraged to break their age limited moral for not having sex. Someone down the chain from Martin Max must have been a Babylonian purvert. Anyway, back to the backmasking part of the article... I tried to change the "hidden message" to "subliminal message" with subliminal in brackets to link to the subliminal article, as it is a more accurate description of the type of message the backmasking portrays. It is thought your sub conscious understands the reverse, but your conscious doesn't, which is why subliminal is used to describe subconscious messages, not hidden. Anyway, as I tried to change "hidden" to "subliminal" as well as to add the lines that need to be reversed for the message to be heard, (with you I lose my mind, give me a sign), some Smackbot (robot) reverted the changes. Perhaps one of you could change "hidden" to "subliminal" as well as to add the lyric part (with you I lose my mind, give me a sign) responsible for the backmasking.--78.86.159.199 (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Its been my understanding that while rapidly flashed words or images, or hidden images are understood by the brain and  have been used, reversed spoken words have not been proven to have anywhere near such a powerful effect, and that the primary effect that backmasking a message into any given audio track has is to get it labeled "subliminal", which generates controversy, rumors, basically a bunch of free press and publicity. Honestly, I think its a whole lot more believable that the people producing this audio track would pull such a stunt for the purpose of getting people to listen to it then talk about it, eventually perhaps triggering purchases somewhere down the road, rather than to suggest that people working in a profit-driven industry are behind any sort of plot to use subliminal brainwashing to create an army of horny and disinhibited schoolgirls, no matter how absolutely awesome that might be...149.169.207.30 (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The subliminal message

message: What of the now infamous remakes. This song has been reworkled by the likes of Fountain of Wayne and others...and has been drastically remixed by various club DJ's
:Are you sure that Marilyn manson has performed this song live? I am a loser who has no friends 11:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remakes

message: No idea what to make of this BBC article from 2001 that claims that the song was "ode, not to "slap and tickle", but to the pager". :S 86.132.137.252 01:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this article wondering what the song was about. In what sense does she want to be "Hit"? Can anyone say with any authority? In which case please put it in the article. I doubt if it is anything to do with pagers. Billlion 19:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this is a partial answer .  I remember watching an interview with the teen queen herself on MTV during the controversy, and she explained that "hit me one more time" merely meant "give me your love again."'. Is there a better source for this quote? Billlion 19:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've wondered that as well.  I note that I've only heard this at the skate rink, but my first instinct is and has always been that she's saying "Look, if it gets you back, I'll put up with the physical abuse and pretend I like it"--which is not, I think, what she's actually saying.  But the more likely "poke me one more time" reading (that is, have sex with me) seems not to suit the song so much either.  Dunno.  (How the HECK did I get to a Britney Spears page??  Oh, right, DDR.) Kilyle 19:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd also like to point out that in American English slang, "hit me" is commonly used to ask for say, a "hit" of a drug, or a shot or glass of a (usually alchoholic) drink (the most common use I've seen is to say "hit me" while slapping your hand or money down on the bar, followed by receipt of either your usual drink or the bartender asking you what you want to order, depending on how predictable you are and how much the bartender knows you)... which is probably what the actual usage was supposed to be in the song. It always astonishes me actually, how often people try to read "physically abusive boyfriend" into the picture, when it's probably so simple as an unusual (but not implausible) permutation of extant slang meant to emphasize how much she wants a second shot (if you'll excuse the pun) at his affections. The fact that asking for a second serving or hit is sometimes done by saying "hit me again" would seem to lend credence to this, especially given the existence of lyrics like "my loneliness is killin' me" and "when I'm not with you I lose my mind", and the fact that it's portrayed in the video as a young (and I'd argue, therefore particularly addictive) love. Haha! Mild pseudo-drug reference, anyone? Runa27 23:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'd like to point out that in American English slang, the linking of the term "hit" with its meaning in "I'd hit/tap that" is so thoroughly widespread, it caused McDonald's to pull an ad.  I don't know what Britney thought she was singing about, but I certainly bet I know what her songwriter was writing about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.90.194 (talk) 11:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: "Best" is subjective. It was a number 1 hit in most countries, was her most successful single, and is arguably her most famous song and video, which means it was popular and a subject of popular discussion, but whether it was the "best" (or "worst", or neither of those) is completely a matter of opinion. However, you do realize the song was released in late 1998, right? :P Which means it can't possibly be the "best song of 1999", much more than that Prince song that made a comeback that year could be. Runa27 23:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Best song of 99?

message: Who removed the bubblegum and teen pop genres? The lyrics have a simple structure and vocals that is aimed at teenagers and pre-teens? Plus Britney has always been considered a teen pop star! I'm going to add them again! If you disagree please reply via my talk page.--Seán Travers (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 3 genres are excessive on a single. It is irrelevant what Spears is considered, all that matters is THIS song. Pick the genre that best matches this song. Best if you can back it up with critical evaluations, charting and awards. Teen pop is the best match. Bubblegum pop conflicts. Either way - choose. It is not helpful to go overboard on genres. --NrDg 21:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These derogatory genre names are obviously someone's personal opinion. The song was originally offered to R&B group TLC and can therefore not bee considered bubblegum or teen pop. Britney Spears herself might or might not be considered a teen pop artist, but this discussion is about the song itself. Just clean and simple pop is the most neutral genre name, and I have therefore changed the genre,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aikclaes (talk • contribs) 18:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that it can not be labeled as bubblegum or teen pop just cause it was offered to a R&B group. The sound of a song is more what makes the genre. For instance, I've heard the Britney version of "Toxic" (pop), and a version by Mark Ronson (rap/hip-hop), and a version by Local H (alternative), and a version by A Static Lullaby (metal). It's still the same song, just different genres due to the sound of them. Granted, they are all the same song, but that does not change the fact that they are different genres  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rouse52794 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The track genre is sourced. It's not R&B just because it was offered to TLC. The lyrics were offered, not the entire song. Also, TLC records pop music too. - Sauloviegas (talk) 00:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who removed bubblegum and teen pop? 

message: I can't find any verification that either the "Lenny Bertoldo X-Mix" or the Sharp Platinum Vocal Mix (Edit)" were ever officially released anywhere by Jive.  There was a "Sharp Platinum Vocal Radio Remix" released on Colombia promo #33250 seen here http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=322197 but I don't know the running time for the track.  A version titled "Sharp Platinum Vocal Radio Remix" that runs 3:27 is floating around the internet, but cannot be verified any more than the 6:50 "Sharp Platinum Vocal Mix (Edit)" can.  As with the "Lenny Bertoldo X-Mix", these mixes seem simply to be floating around the internet for download, but have apparently never popped up on any official Jive product.  I would also question whether the Wade J. Robson Remix or the Cabaret Mix qualify as "Official Remixes".Heidijo236 (talk) 11:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Remixes 

message: No mention of the "Make My Boobies One More Size" parody?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 07:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Parody

message: I think there should be something on live preformences pof baby one more time like other songs. This could include things like how it's the only song to feature on all of her tours.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.242.82 (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Already included. :) Sauloviegas (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Live

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message: Just thought I should mention that Denniz Pop wasn't involved as a producer on this track. See http://www.discogs.com/Britney-Spears--Baby-One-More-Time/release/899947 or, obviously, view a hard copy of the production notes on a cover sleeve. EDIT: Don't worry, I didn't realise I could edit the page without signing up. Fixed. 114.74.154.200 (talk) 09:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: See talk:...Baby One More Time (album)
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message: Not sure if this is relevant (it's definitely unsourced), but the music video now has 200 million views on VEVO. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Please, can someone explain how this can be "top" importance to the "pop music" project, yet only "high" importance to the "Britney Spears" project?  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Britney Spears said in her booklet that comes with the CD for "The Singles Collection" that "...Baby One More Time" debuted on November 21, 1998.    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g6N-ZcD4HnM/Vbg81hKmJgI/AAAAAAAAVb8/Mv7hqWB8v88/s1600/Imagen%2B%25284%2529.jpg DatBoy101 (talk) 02:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: The music video image seems unusually small when expanded, compared to the rest of the article pictures.  SquashEngineer (talk) 16:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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message: Was the song released on September 15, 1998, or October 23, 1998? Various sources within the article contract each other. , I've noticed you changing release dates on a large number of articles, so would you care to comment? ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 12:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: On the issue dated September 11, 1998, R&R magazine has the song listed as being sent to pop radio on September 15, page 37. However, on the issue dated September 25, 1998, it states that the song is going to pop radio on September 28, page 1. On the issue dated October 16, 1998, the magazine states that the single will be available "in stores" (aka as a CD single) on October 23, page 70. So based off this information, the correct date should actually be September 28, 1998. It seems as if it was originally planned for September 15, but was delayed. But nevertheless, September 28 would be the date it went to radio, while October 23 is the date it was released to buy in stores. — Status (talk · contribs) 22:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fun fact: When it became a GA in 2011, the date was listed as September 30, 1998, using the same source that is still listed in the background section using October 23, 1998 as the date. So not sure what that actual books says. — Status (talk · contribs) 22:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

text: sorry to bump this talk, but should the song's date be listed as september 28th or september 29th? on the front page, it says baby one more time was sent out to pop radio on september 28th, but on the going for adds section, it says september 29th, which is what someone updated the article to say a while back SpinelFan64 (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: RIAA says Sept 29 which is the same date stated by Radio & Records magazine on page 39. I don't see any sources supporting the previous day. Binksternet (talk) 02:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: RIAA says October 29th, and Radio & Records literally says "Impacting Top 40 and Rhythmic Crossover September 28th" on the front page SpinelFan64 (talk) 05:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The front page conflicts with page 37 which lists all the songs being added on September 29. So that source is a wash. Binksternet (talk) 05:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

text: That's exactly what I was thinking. A few months ago there was a series of arguments at Template:Infobox song about which release date should be included in infoboxes, and I eventually became so overwhelmed with IPs and reversions that I just decided to ignore the rules and put in the earliest date I could find, moving all others to a Release History section. October 23 wasn't in this article's table (or at least not when I saw it earlier—thanks for adding it!), so I decided to take it here. You may want to keep an eye on Britney articles, because a redlink user is changing the dates to the commercial releases. I'm not ready to get inolved with that again. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 22:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I have been doing recently myself because I discovered the R&R archive. Back in the day, songs were sent to radio months before physical releases and finding sources for that information can be difficult, but that magazine has been a Godsent! I know some people have argued that it should be based off the physical release date, but once a song has been sent to radio in the US anyway, that's when it is able to start charting. Like for example, I found that I'm Real (Jennifer Lopez song) was actually sent to radio in June of that year and if you look at the chart performance, it started charting soon after that. But it wasn't released physically until September. Obviously the June date is when it was being pushed as a single and started charting, so that's what should be used as the date. — Status (talk · contribs) 22:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly! I have a habit of checking Billboard for release dates whilst leaving R&R in the dark for some unexplainable reason. Probably because it takes next to forever to search for something what with all the information it publishes. I need to accept the fact that it's a gold mine. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 22:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the release date?