Talk:Karen people

message: I removed the following passage, whose expression is rather too POV for inclusion here; the information contained therein needs to be sourced, referenced, and re-written in a more encyclopaedic tone:
:During WWII the British approached the Karen and proposed that in exchange for their assistance and aid against the Burmese, when the war ended they would be named as a specific tribe people who deserved an area (state) of land for themselves.  However, when the war ended, the British made a list of native people along the Thailand/Burma border who deserved land named specifically for the tribe, yet they forgot to name the Karen as one of the peoples.  Therefore, the Burmese turned their anger against the Karen for their betrayal, so the Karen sought protection in across the border of Thailand. The Thai, however, do not see the Karen as people deserving of Thai citizenship, so when they are caught, they are sent back to the center of Burma... where the Karen villages are pillaged and the people brutally murdered by the Burmese Army.  As of now the Karen people attempt to survive in the remote areas on border between Thailand and Burma, struggling to survive the attacks by the Burmese Army and evade discovery by the Thai border police.  They live lives haunted by murder, rape, and replacement.  They do not have a country to call their own, as the Burmese will kill them if they are found and the Thai will not accept them, and there are too many people to count hiding, establishing horrible negotiations with the Thai border police in order to survive.  There are thousands of people whose births have never been recorded and whose deaths have never been documented.  There is an entire race of people living in rancid conditions without any real evidence that they even exist.
--cjllw | TALK 06:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rm of History section

message: Since ethnic cleansing had already been mentioned without objection, I've added a sentence referring to the suppression of religion by the Burmese government, with citation.  I also added to the external references links to reports by the State Dept.
Te section on Karen and Buddhism shows cultural anthropoligists' inability to read "yes" as an non-affirmative answer. When Asian are asked if they are Buddhist, they say "yes", when they're asked if they're Christian, they say "yes". "Yes" means: yes, these are relgions; I know these religion, and I'm not going to say anything about them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.163.225.144 (talk) 05:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Suppression of religion

message: While some older groupings had Karenic as its own branch in Sino-Tibetan, it is now considered to belong to the Tibeto-Burman group. Also, the claim that Karen and Bai are the only Sino-Tibetan languages with SVO order is false on its face—see almost any SInitic language for a counterexample. Ergative rlt 00:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language classification 

message: While an independent innovation of SVO order is possible, all sources on the Karen languages that I've seen give either Mon and Tai contacts as a likely source for that order, or do not speculate at all on its origin. A source for scholars of Karen who support independent innovation would be useful. Also, note that traditional histories of a language do not necessarily have anything to do with the history of the language as theorized or determined by linguists. Ergative rlt 01:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVO and influence 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: On eBay, there is a flourishing cottage industry selling "Thai Karen" or "Hill Tribe" silver jewelry and silver beads.  If deemed relevant, I would love to see a brief mention of this phenomenon and ensuing details, within this article. 
--Peri1013 03:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Thai Karen" or "Hill Tribe" silver 

message: Obviously Ahoerstemeier was correct to remove the reference to the Rambo film. Films are not references and shouldn't appear in the reference section. But I do think it would be good to include a section about the Rambo film in the article. 
Ryan Albrey (talk) 02:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that a section on 'Rambo' would be appropriate.  The Karen are a specific ethnic group with a distinct culture and history, neither of which include Rambo.  The fact that an American action movie includes the Karen as a plot device does not have any relevance to the actual Karen or their plight... This actually reminds me of the situation that arose after Borat came out, when a number of editors wanted to add a section about that movie to the article for Kazakhstan which was also deemed inappropriate.  The inclusion of a section on Rambo would set a precedent for including sections for any movie which has specific ethnic groups in it on that ethnic groups article, which would be ridiculous.  --The Way (talk) 07:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rambo

message: If the Karen represent 7% of the Burmese population of 47 million then they would number about
3.3 million not 7 million. If 7 million then this would be closer to 13%, or 1 in 7.(not the same as 7%).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.79.208 (talk) 00:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Population figures don't add up

message: "The Karen people's ancestors ... were Tibetan refugees." I don't think so. PiCo (talk) 08:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are various stories and hypotheses given for the origin of the Karen, of which Tibet is only one, and even if true it doesn't follow that they were refugees. I'm deleting the claim, but will try to look for references for the various claims. Ergative rlt (talk) 03:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tibetan? 

message: I just read that the UN is resettling 30,000 karens to other countries, 20,000 of which will go to the US.  This is kind of a minor thing to put into the history section, but if there was a refugee or dyasporia section, it could certainly go there.  Any thoughts?  DaronDierkes (talk) 04:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Resettlement of Refugees 

message: Karen Dotollo PAlero of Philippines.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karainie (talk • contribs) 13:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippines

message: My understanding is that 'Pwa Ka Nyaw' (or 'Pgaganyaw') is what the Sgaw (or S'kaw) Karen call themselves: not all Karen. Delang (2003) Living at the edge of Thai Society: The Karen in the highlands of northern Thailand says (p. x): 'In Thailand there are over 400,000 Karen, most of whom are divided into two subgroups, the Skaw, who call themselves Pgaganyaw, and the Pwo, who call themselves Plong'. Perhaps the reference to 'Pwa Ka Nyaw' should be removed from the first sentence of the article, but added under Divisions/Red Karen.
Mrmedley (talk) 08:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. We should have all the names, not just by the Sgaw. Hybernator (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It doesn't seem that we have any of the names now. This article points out that the "Karen" are not one monolithic group, but many population groups, with mutually unintelligible languages. Without pointing out which groups fall under this term, how can this article be of any use? Are the Sgaw Karens? Are the Karenni people also Karens? Then please point this out instead of leaving it a mystery. :Kortoso  (talk) 10:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Pwa Ka Nyaw

message: Surely, the Karens have had a history before 1881, right? It would be nice if it were on the page. Just some advice to improve the article. --Yalens (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: How come the overall population is 4M, but a region has 7M people in it? -Concerned Reader  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.54.70 (talk) 07:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And how come they are '7 percent of the total Burmese population', Burma population = 49mill, 7 percent of 49mill = 3.5mill, but there are 7 million in Burma (some mistake somewhere!).Pincrete (talk) 15:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: population

message: Major fire in Ban Mae Surin refugee camp in Mae Hong Son Province.
--Pawyilee (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 refugee camp fire 

message: The article shows a woman with a "long" neck and neck rings. She is said to be Karen. I do not think so. My understanding is that this ethnic group is one kind, and one sub-group only, of the Karenni and the Karenni are not Karen, they are a different, related group. I think this photo should be removed. My sources for this information are Karen and Karenni people in the USA, one of whom was a "lon g-necked" woman/(before coming to the USA she removed and sold her neck rings but kept many photos of herself from before.) .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.195.53.137 (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a custom practiced by the Padaung people and they are considered to belong to the Karen group. Kortoso  (talk) 10:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Necked Women  

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message: In the sections "Karen diaspora" and "Life in the Refugee Camps," there is verbatim interview material from the source material. Man-on-the-street interviews are inappropriate in an encyclopedia, and should be removed.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:17, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Is the role of the Karens portrayed in the 2017 movie All Saints worth noting? BTW, in this movie they are confused with Koreans. CsikosLo (talk) 13:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: Because in recent months Karen has become an internet meme, i think protection is necessary MightyArms (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karen meme