Talk:Meister Eckhart

message: Hi, person who reverted my "vandalism". The section on Eckhart's doctrines is much too long and detailed to be a section of the main article - hence I moved it to it's own page, which I conveniently linked to when I removed the text. I'm going to go ahead and revert your reversion, and if you want to discuss this change, please do so here. Thank you. Cantara 01:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: works and doctrines

message: What do the words "mysticism is penetrated by the spirit of the University in which it occurred" mean? Lestrade 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Go read Ferruolo, The Origins of the University, Stanford UP 1985. The University of Paris was not much more significant than any other Cathedral School or scriptorium libnrary until Abelard set fire to rational debate in his dispute with William of Champeaux about the rules of philosophic ontology. Ths spirit of the University was originally dogmatic Roman, but it attracted a number of free-thinking young men who disputed the Realist schola.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.153.183 (talk) 05:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Need Clarification 

message: After contrasting the eudemonism of Protestant Christianity with original Christianity and other religions – according to the article on eudemonism, the Christian use of the concept came from Aquinas through Augustine (both lived prior to the Protestant movement). I reverted my edit that noted this, because I don't have a copy of Welt to check on why Schaupenauer may have described it as a Protestant concept.  Can you shed some light on this question? --Blainster 19:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is simply incorrect to attribute his views to other creeds without hard references - if you're arguing "ecumenity of the spirit", you should extract these considerations to another section named something like "Parallels with other creeds". If you wish to prove it the hard way, I would suggest you prove the oriental explorer Rusbroec (from the Pas de Calais) was linked to Jan van Ruusbroec's family, which WOULD be an interesting addition to our understanding of the roots of European mysticism. The area to research there is genealogy, Jan was almost certainly descended from the Counts of Flanders, but "almost certainly" is not hard documented genealogy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.153.183 (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eudemonism and Christianity

message: What heresy, specifically, was Eckhart charged with? Or "heresies," I imagine. Jonathan Tweet 20:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He had the bad luck to run into the founders of the Inquisition. The head of the Cistercian Order, Cardinal Konrad von Urach (d.1327 as a defeated papabile), Second Papal Legate to the Albigensian Crusade 1220-1223 and founder of the Inquisition, was on the heels of the Cathars, who were not confined to the south of France - his follower Boniface of Brussels was exiled from Paris during the student troubles of Carnival 1229, and was present in Cologne February 1229 - March 1231, investigating the Archbishop of Cologne's activities. This made Boniface enemies, which he added to in his next job as Bishop of Lausanne, chasing the Holy Roman Emperor (and ostensible Muslim) Frederic II, who had not delivered on his commitments to Konrad to undertake a new Crusade. Boniface was eventually the target of an attempted assassination, and retired to Konrad's Abbey of the Cambre just outside Brussels.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.153.183 (talk) 06:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  what were the charges 

message: Why Johannes? Show me one - only one hand where "Johannes" is named! There is only one Meister Eckhart and his name is "Eckhart von Hochheim". Forget your Johannes. --Eckhart Triebel (talk) 23:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johannes Eckhart 

message: I am shocked: "Coming into prominence during the decadent Avignon Papacy and a time of increased tensions between the Franciscans and Eckhart's Dominican Order of Preacher Friars, he was brought up on charges later in life before the local Franciscan-led Inquisition."
Was ist das für ein Quatsch? Was erzählt der uns hier eigentlich? Eckhart hatte es nicht nötig, von der päpstlichen Seite her "prominent" zu werden, er tritt auch nicht erst durch seinen prozess in "prominence" und mit den hier konstruierten "increased tensions" hatte Eckhart nun soviel wie gar nichts zu tun - und die "lokal Franciscan-led Inquisition" ist reine Fiktion. An diesen Aussagen ist nichts wahr, aber auch gar NICHTS.  Eckhart Triebel (talk) 23:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above on the charges against him. Konrad von Urach was the second son of Count Egino von Urach, founder of the House of Wurttemberg, and was Head of the Cistercians - he refused the Papacy in 1227, and did not long outlive the deed. It has been posited that there was a hidden schism within the Great Schism, between the Major Orders, particularly the Benedictines, Franciscans and Cistercians on the one hand, and the mendicant orders represented in Germany by the Dominicans. There most certainly was a plan afoot to move the Papacy to Brussels under the Duke of Brabant and with the help of the de Montforts, a cadet line of their common scion the Duchy of Flanders, as testified by Pope Leo XII in the 1890s, declaring the ArchiAssociation of the Eucharist as being perpetually and universally based there - the Inquisition was publicly understood (Brussels Region Archeaological Atlas vol 10.2, p151) to have placed one of the great relics there. Eckhart was simply a bystander in a larger conflict, between the Muslim Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II, and the House of Zahringen, representing the Southern German aristocracy and the Papacy, who could not stand his lifestyle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.153.183 (talk) 06:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

text: - Franciscans were active in the inquisition throughout the Middle Ages and wrote their own inquisitor's manual in the early 14th century, the Codex Casanatensis - Epinoia (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  the article 

message: I just removed some info which didn't have anything to do with Meister Eckhart.  It's from the Overview section.  I'll post it below.  If I was wrong, please feel free to re-include it. Alphabet55 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Superfluous Info

message: Hi, just to let folks know I started reading this page, and notice some of the Wiki links had no object to link to, so have started going through taking out the linkage & reverting back to text.  While doing so I noticed a comment, rephrased it slightly and inserted reference to support it.  I also reformated a couple of references into the citations template.  The 'Christianity through the centuries' one didn't make sense, so I re-did it using the info available to men - if I missed something, and you have the actual book, feel free to correct me - but on the internet there are a number of references to this where the author and publisher are mixed up.  I went to Google scholar and Amazon to establish these, but if you have an author for a particular section, let me have it and I'll insert in the citation in the appropriate place. I have had an interest in Eckhart for twenty years, and have several translations of his works, but only a few commentaries. Mish (talk) 10:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Housekeeping

message: I found this articles about the rehabilitation of Master Eckhart:
: Meister Eckhart's rehabilitation after 750 years culminates in the verdict that he never needed a rehabilitation. Such is the summary of the response which the then Master of the Dominicans, Timothy Ratcliffe, received from the Vatican in 1992, and which he had summarized in a letter to Peter Talbot Wilcox, the then President of the British Eckhart Society, dated 15 August 1992.
Sources: http://www.academici.com/blog/7263/meister_eckhart_rehabilitated_by_the_pope.html
My main language is french, so I can't edit the english version of the articles. But I would appreciate if someone could edit in order to reflect this informations.
Thank you
Dominic
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.34.122 (talk • contribs) 
:Good find, thanks.  Working on it right now. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I tried checking the source but it's not available anymore. Found this alternative. I think that neither could be considered reliable sources. I suggest including the appropriate template(s) (maybe 'one source' or 'better source') or deleting the section altogether. Thank you. Paulienator (talk) 03:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heresy 

message: People! Please help! Where can I find the full text of Eckhart's Commentary on St. John, in English, online? Thanks.  Rasool-3 (talk) 08:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary on St. John

message: In first paragraph "decadent" in re the Avignon papacy, if unsupported, is a bit POV, no?43hellokitty21 (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV on papacy 

message: In first paragraph "decadent" in re the Avignon papacy, if unsupported, is a bit POV, no?43hellokitty21 (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV on papacy 

message: I've moved these two inline comments to the Talk Page:
* "This needs a citation of the actual quote from real life. If it's not citeable, it's not very encyclopedic, and quite misleading to put in a quote that a movie just made up and attributed to the subject."
* "This section is on Eckhart's portrayal in Pop Culture, accurate or not. It ought to be pointed out if it's made up, but it still shows how the subject is popularly perceived and therefore still relevant information, possibly more so if it's fake or a broad interpretation/popular misinterpretation"
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacob's Ladder 

message: Maybe McGinn's publication has settled the case for English speakers. Yet, it does not seem to have reached Germany so far. In the meantime, I'd prefer to mention both Tambach and Hochheim as potential birthplaces. -- Zz (talk) 15:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: The section on Matthew Fox has several problems.  First, it is as much about Fox as Eckhart.  I suggest editing to shorten description of Fox (he has his now page, after all) and to state that Fox has written a number of articles and at least one book about Eckhart's theology, and that Eckhardt appears along with other similar medieval theologians, in Fox's Original Blessings, a foundation work of "creation spirituality" (which also has its own page).
Second, someone added several statements about Fox's interpretation of Eckhart and the reaction of other scholars that is unsupported by any references.  The last sentence has the same problem.  This at least needs references, and if there is in fact a significant disagreement, that should be explored in depth.  Third, the relationship between creation spirituality and other movements does not belong in this section; that is a topic for the creation spirituality entry. I am going to make the suggested changes and deletions.  If someone wants to defend them with references, they can be added back in.  Below is the text as it appeared before my edits:
Matthew Fox (priest)|Matthew Fox]] (born 1940) is a former American priest and theologian.Step into environment fray Peterborough Examiner  Formerly a member of the Dominican Order within the Roman Catholic Church, he was also once a member of the Episcopal Church. Fox was an early and influential exponent of a movement that came to be known as Creation Spirituality. The movement sought to draw inspiration from the mystical philosophies of such medieval Catholic visionaries as Hildegard of Bingen, Thomas Aquinas, Saint Francis of Assisi, Julian of Norwich, Dante Alighieri, Meister Eckhart and Nicholas of Cusa, as well as the wisdom traditions of Christian scriptures. Fox's readings of Eckhart and other Christian mystics has been highly disputed. It has had little positive reception among scholars of medieval mysticism, though he has marked a whole generation's popular perception of Eckhart and others.  Creation Spirituality is also strongly aligned with ecological and environmental movements of the late 20th century and embraces numerous spiritual traditions around the world, including Buddhism, Judaism, Sufism, and Native American spirituality, with a focus on "deep ecumenism".
Fox draws heavily on Eckhart for his own theology and whose "Breakthrough" presents an alternative and substantially different view of the nature and significance of Eckhart's thinking from that taken in earlier sections of this article.
CTLandman (talk) 03:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Matthew Fox