Talk:Mephisto (Marvel Comics)

message: :The Fantastic Four's Thing signed a contract in Secret Wars II #8 with Mephisto.  Should this be added to the section that describes the long-term problems Mephisto has caused?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigitizerSF (talk • contribs) 19:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly a long term problem - Mephisto destroyed it in the same issue. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone please add this? 

message: Have dealt with the origin question; added some better pictures including the Silver Surfer cover; added correct dates and tidied up spelling and grammar. Have also deleted the reference to Mephisto as a demon as this may not be true. All that is known is that he is a force of evil.
Hope it helps.
Asgardian 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Cleanup

message: As Satan, Mephisto appeared in the Harmony Gold Dracula cartoon adaptation.
14:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Dracula Cartoon

message: Mephisto has another form, that of a lizard-like creature with dreadlock-like hair. This form has appeared in both the JRJR/Nocenti and Kevin Smith Daredevil runs, and possibly elsewhere, so should an image of this form be included on the page? Kelvingreen 17:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Form 

message: I have reverted the image back to :Image:Mephistomarvel3.png. The problem that I have with :Image:Thor-205.jpg is that Thor the most prominent object in the image, not Mephisto. This is in conflict with the WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines. I don't mind if you use a cover scan, but it should be one which features Mephisto more prominently. --GentlemanGhost 12:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm okay with your image or the Silver Surfer #3 image. Yours actually shows a better view of the character. While trying to get people to stop screwing up the date, I set it back on the SS image so they can see that it says DEC, not October. Doczilla 06:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SHB Image 

message: Look at that cover! Silver Surfer #3 clearly says DEC under the number. It's a trivial detail, but its change (from December back to October) among the rest of these reversions makes me wonder how many of you are seriously trying to end this edit war or if it's just one big "pissing contest" while people fight for the sheer sake of trying to get their own way by seeing who's stubborn enough to outlast the others. Are you reading the edit summaries? Are you actually looking at what the other editors have done, or do you just look to see how much red shows up when you compare the current version to the last version you personally posted? Doczilla 05:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've been impressed that both sides have basically left me alone while I attempt to weave together a "best of both" version with additional edits. If the main remaining disagreement is simply to revert the image back and forth now, well, there are worse things if the article can otherwise achieve some stability. The danger lies even in that, though, is the possibility that an ongoing disagreement over an image can lead to additional edit warring. Just don't start reverting all other edits that have happened since the last time you changed the image. How about we vote over the image? Doczilla 06:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: These stupid edit wars

message: The article says Sal Buscema was the artist co-creator but the SHB credits John Buscema for the cover. Is that right? It's possible, but it could also be a mistake. Doczilla 19:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creator artist?

message: Rule 1 at WP:CMC/EG#Superhero_box_images no longer applies now that we have source information on both pictures.
Rule 2 has six bullet points, two of which aren't really relevant. Look at the other 4:
Re: "The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best." SS3 has the advantage. The TA13 pic stops at the waist and Mephisto is not standing straight. The SS3 pic goes onto upper legs and Mephisto is standing straight. SS3 wins.
Re: "If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture must show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters)." Both have problems. On the SS3 cover, Mephisto's hand and the Silver Surfer block part of the view. However, the TA13 pic does not go as far down the torso. Personaly I think SS3 has the sliver of an advantage here because the portions that are blocked are blocked in a way that let the reader accurately fill in the gaps, whereas for all you know in the TA13 picture, Mephiso is naked except for his cape.
Re: "Pictures which hide significant areas of the character in shadow should be avoided" Both pictures have shadow on the upper body, but not shadows that actually hide. Arguably, they accent his appearance as a standard feature of the character. No winner.
Re: "Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first." Mephisto is not yellow. TA13 wins.
So for rule 2, I think SS3 has a sliver of an advantage.
Rule 3 pushes it in the other direction, though:
Re: "Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this." SS3 is technically sufficient, but TA13 clearly fits this requirement better because it has no other characters at all. TA13 wins this point.
Doczilla 08:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I laid all that out above, rule 3 would seem to tip the scale in favor of the TA13, but the more I think about it, the more it bugs me how Mephisto looks like he could be a nudist with a cape. So I'll give SS3 more than a sliver of advantage on that piece of rule 2, not quite balancing the scale but reaffirming my original abstention. (Well, that didn't help you a whole heap, did it?) Surely there's an image out there somewhere that's better than either of these two. Doczilla 11:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I put the TA13 image back in to the article because it got tagged as an orphan by . The SS3 image is used in another article, so it is safe from this bot. If we decide not to use TA13, it will be orphaned again, but I thought it best to preserve the image for now until we reach consensus. --GentlemanGhost 21:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How the SHB guidelines fit into the image debate

message: I don't think the Mephisto in Diablo 2 is a reference to the Marvel Mephisto...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.223.125 (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video Game Appearances

message: OK...the lead has been reworked in line with an agreement at Wikicomics; the new appearances are all there - with proper dates - but are neatly threaded so it doesn't read like the usual "tell the story" with so and so doing this and this. There is now a logical sequence, as we start with the prime foes (the Surfer and Thor) and then look at the other appearances. Also placed the mention of his realm in the second half of the first sentence in FCB. Also added a few precursors as the layman may not know what the Surfer, Dracula and Topaz are. Also trimmed Notable Aliases as four is plenty: no need for every name! It now looks pretty sharp. Thank you for the new entries.
Asgardian (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidy-Up 

message: I seem to remember the following story being part of the secret wars II storyline, but my memory could be at fault. I think it deserves a mention in either the Mephisto or Beyonder sections. The following is from http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/beyondersw.htm
(Amazing Spider-Man I#274) - As the Beyonder stood in space, he was attacked by a preemptive space fleet of aliens bent on destroying him. He wiped the fleet from existence, then did the same to the homeworlds the members of the flee emanated from. Realizing that certain cosmic powers still retained the memories of those beings, the Beyonder set out to wipe out those too, starting with Mephisto. Mephisto offered a wager to the Beyonder: Should Mephisto's champion win their duel, Mephisto's realm would be allowed to remain after the Beyonder wiped out the multiverse for a full day. The Beyonder chose Spider-Man to be Mephisto's champion, then chose the demon Zarathos as his own. Zarathos tried to corrupt Spider-Man by taking the forms of various people who had died in Spider-Man's life, but Spider-Man overcame the psychological torture and defeated the demon. The Beyonder allowed Mephisto's realm and the multiverse itself one more day of existence.Pignut (talk) 13:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret Wars II 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have reversed the bold moving of this page to Mephisto (character) because there are multiple notable characters with this name. Despite what WP:NCC suggests, there are many examples of articles titled this way (such as Hela, Serpent, and Mettle just on this page), probably for the same reason. -- Fyrael (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character vs comics in title 

message: Curious; how can a being that can manipulate memories and cast illusions be unable to subjugate the will of another being without the victim's permission?  If every memory tells a person something that Mephisto wants them to believe, then he compounds that with illusions that the person is actually seeing on top of it, how is that any different really than basically controlling that person's behavior?  They would have to do the exact opposite of every single thing they believe in and have 'experienced' in their (fake) lifetime on top of going against the 'proof' they have right in front of their eyes, which is incredibly unlikely and out of character for the most part, to go against what Mephisto wants... no?  Is this how it is written in the comics or is the Wikipedia description to blame?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaybonaut (talk • contribs) 11:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers and Abilities 

message: mep 45.251.49.245 (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  mephisto