Talk:Steve Earle

message: The Outlaw country article makes a couple of references to Earle as having an Outlaw country ethos. Earle's article here doesn't reciprocate. Just thought I'd make that observation and leave it in hands here, more knowledgeable about Earle than I. --Ds13 06:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see he is actually in that article twice, I'd keep the ref. of him in the company of Guy Clark and Townes Van Zandt, and avoid suggesting that he has much in common with Hank III. -MrFizyx 17:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Outlaw country

message: I removed the statement that Earle's radio show is titled "The Revolution Starts Now." Maybe it was called that at some time in the past, but according to the Air America website, it's called "The Steve Earle Show." I didn't think this title was worth mentioning in the article. Frumpet 01:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the recorded intro of his SiriusXM show, a voice that sounds like Mojo Nixon's says, "It's The Steve Earle Show! Hardcore Troubadour Radio." Dyspeptic skeptic (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio show title

message: Earle's contribution to the Democratic campaign was particularly notable, since country rock is traditionally associated with the right wing.
The "Country Rock" link goes to a page that lists artists who are either anti-right wing (Neil Young, Wilco, Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt) or apolitical (Gram Parsons, Dylan for the last 40 years or so). I don't see any artists that are associated with ther right wing
Omarcheeseboro 21:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country Rock and Politics 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Steve Earle Hard Core Troubadour.ogg

message: :Commons:Image:Steve Earle & Allison Moorer at Bumbershoot 2007.jpg, which I shot, seems to me a better photo of Earle than the one we currently have on the article. However, the current photo is one in which he is more or less alone, and the one I prefer is with his wife, Allison Moorer. Since the case isn't clearcut, and since I can hardly be a neutral judge in this matter, I leave it to someone else to make the decision which photo should illustrate the article. - Jmabel | Talk 07:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: No mention of his acting role in The Wire in the article?
I removed this:
> After Earle's appearance in hit TV show The Wire, it was revealed that his arms are of a below average length, relative to the rest of his body.
Because first of all WTF?
Secondly it should be cited and it's not. A google search of Steve Earle arm length didn't help.
Thirdly it certainly doesn't belong at the end of his "Bio" section. If somebody wants to add a section on Biological Abnormalities maybe it could go there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.192.225 (talk) 14:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting 

message: Was Steve Earle married to Kelly Walker, making her one of 8 marriages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phylarp (talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal 

message: **Online bios
*CMT
*All Music
*Biography.com
**Books
* Hardcore Troubadour: The Life and Near Death of Steve Earle By Lauren St John
*Steve Earle: Fearless Heart, Outlaw Poet By David McGee 
**News articles
* New York Times review of Townes album
* Archive of articles about Earle According to consensus at RSN this not a reliable source however it may provide a lead to finding news articles at their source (ie. newspaper web site archives etc.)
* PopMatters review of the Earle documentary DVD: Just An American Boy
* CD reviews at Country Standard Time
* Pitchfork review of the Townes album--—Keithbob • Talk •  16:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Resources

message: *This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career.
*This field can include, for example, any of the following:
**For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member
**Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
**Groups which have spun off from this group
**A group from which this group has spun off
*The following uses of this field should be avoided:
**Association of groups with members' solo careers
**Groups with only one member in common
**Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts (unless the act essentially belongs to the producer, as in the case of a studio orchestra formed by and working exclusively with a producer)
**One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
**Groups that are merely similar
*How do these compare to the criteria given above?
**Joan Baez- Earle produced Baez album
**Allison Moore (wife)--Appears on at least two of his albums, tours with him
**Del McCoury Band-- Earle made an album with them
**Justin Townes Earle (son)
**Stacy Earle (sister) --She sang background vocals on an early album or two, yes?
**Guy Clark--Earle appeared on a few songs for one album. right?
**Townes Van Zandt--mentor
**Buddy Miller
Any thoughts, comments or additional info about the extent of Earle's collaborations with the above? Thanks.--—Keithbob • Talk •  20:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should keep in mind that the Associated Acts guideline refer specifically to the items listed in the Infobox. No one is saying that other significant musical or biographical relationships can't be included in the body of the article. --—Keithbob • Talk •  14:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's also keep in mind the purpose of the Infobox: "When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. .The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content.--—Keithbob • Talk •  18:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

text: In my opinion, out of the 8 names currently listed in the infobox and discussed above, only Allison Moorer and Del McCoury Band belong in the Assocated Acts portion of the info box based on the criteria given here. Since we [don't] seem to have much common ground on this I've asked for a third opinion to get some outside input.--—Keithbob • Talk •  22:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Hi, Sorry I left out the word "don't" in my prior post above (which I've now corrected). My position is that relationships and mentorships have a rightful place in the article (assuming they are cited to reliable sources) but the infobox has a specialized purpose (highlights) and narrowly defined usage (brevity). I feel that there should be two associated acts in the infobox while you feel that all 7-8 names have a rightful place there. Since as you have said above "we do not have common ground" and don't seem to be making any progress towards a compromise despite our respective comments to each other, I am taking recourse to the first step recommended in Resolution processes called WP:3 which says: "Third opinion is a simple means to request an outside opinion in a dispute between editors. When editors do not agree, any of the editors may list a discussion here to seek a third opinion. The third opinion process requires observance of good faith and civility from both editors in the discussion in order to be successful." This process includes listing the dispute on the Third Opinion page and waiting for a random editor(s) to respond. Wikipedia is not a WP:Battleground and so there are methods to avoid the frustration and emotion of two editors going head to head on an article. This is one of those processes. If you wish to participate you can place a summary of your 'viewpoint' in the section below. Thanks for your patience and participation in this collaborative, community process.--—Keithbob • Talk •  19:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I assure you that the feelings of frustration and disrespect are mutual. But rather than point fingers I prefer to move forward in as cordial and productive a way as possible. I'm sure you feel the same. So let's continue as best we can.--—Keithbob • Talk •  18:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Second, of the artists listed, Townes van Zandt and Guy Clark fit this general principle better than any of the other names. They are certainly more influential on Earle than Del McCoury, even if McCoury fits the examples better. The two men were formative for Earle, and he says so repeatedly in interviews. Almost any substantial article on Earle written in the last ten years mentions Townes, and many mention Guy as well. Also, Earle, van Zandt and Guy Clark have a live album together, he toured with both as a young man, and appears on Clark's first album. I don't see a reason to limit the box to one or two, but if that is the limit, Guy Clark and Townes van Zandt are much more significant in influencing Earle's career and art than either Moorer or McCoury. As I said above, I think family connections also add weight, but in terms of influence, Steve is probably more significant to the careers of Moorer and Justin Townes Earle than they are to his carer. My suggestion would be these five: Van Zandt, Clark, Moorer, McCoury, JT Earle, in decreasing order of importance. 65.185.126.6 (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

text: My concern is both the number and the association per the description in the template. I had suggested McCoury and Moorer as the ones meeting the intended use of that part of the template but I'm open to compromise. What if we listed Townes, Guy and McCoury? Does that seem like a reasonable compromise?--—Keithbob • Talk •  15:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been a few weeks since I posted this, so I'm going to go ahead with the compromise suggested above. Thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  16:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Associated Acts

message: Issue: Which names should remain in the Associated Acts section of the Infobox? At present there are eight names there: Joan Baez, Justin Townes Earle, Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, Del McCoury Band, Stacey Earle, Buddy Miller, Allison Moorer. Which names, if any, should be removed?
 wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
; Viewpoint by Keithbob: According to WP the purpose of the infobox is in "allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance" and "the less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose". Specific guidelines for the Associated Acts template can be seen here. In my opinion only Allison Moorer and the Del McCoury Band meet the criteria given and the remaining 6 names should be removed from the infobox and discussed as appropriate in the body of the article (supported by reliable sources). On the other hand, my fellow editor feels that all eight names should remain in the infobox.--—Keithbob • Talk •  19:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Second, of the artists listed, Townes van Zandt and Guy Clark fit this general principle better than any of the other names. They are certainly more influential on Earle than Del McCoury, even if McCoury fits the examples better. The two men were formative for Earle, and he says so repeatedly in interviews. Almost any substantial article on Earle written in the last ten years mentions Townes, and many mention Guy as well. Also, Earle, van Zandt and Guy Clark have a live album together, he toured with both as a young man, and appears on Clark's first album. I don't see a reason to limit the box to one or two, but if that is the limit, Guy Clark and Townes van Zandt are much more significant in influencing Earle's career and art than either Moorer or McCoury. As I said above, I think family connections also add weight, but in terms of influence, Steve is probably more significant to the careers of Moorer and Justin Townes Earle than they are to his carer. My suggestion would be these five: Van Zandt, Clark, Moorer, McCoury, JT Earle, in decreasing order of importance. 65.185.126.6 (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: OK, I've removed the three names that all of us agree should not be there: Baez, Stacey Earle, Buddy Miller. How shall we proceed on the remaining five? IP 65 what are your suggestions now that we have a third opinion?--—Keithbob • Talk •  18:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My concern is both the number and the association per the description in the template. I had suggested McCoury and Moorer as the ones meeting the intended use of that part of the template but I'm open to compromise. What if we listed Townes, Guy and McCoury? Does that seem like a reasonable compromise?--—Keithbob • Talk •  15:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been a few weeks since I posted this, so I'm going to go ahead with the compromise suggested above. Thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  16:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion

message: I'm just storing things here for now:
*"Steve Earle's vivid character sketches became more overtly political after he spent time in prison on drug charges."--NPR, Dec 7, 2003
*"In 1994, Earle was arrested and sent briefly to prison for possession of narcotics. He was paroled later that year after completing a rehabilitation program." CMT Bio
*"On New Years' Eve, he was arrested in Dallas for assaulting a security guard at his own concert. He was charged with aggravated assault, fined 500 dollars, and given a year's unsupervised probation." All Music
*"He had several run-ins with the law, including a 1994 arrest in Nashville for possession of heroin. Although sentenced to a year in jail, Earle served time in rehab instead, and the treatment worked. Earle was released from the rehab center in late 1994 and began working again. All Music
*Interview: INSKEEP: Because you were in prison....Mr. EARLE: I was on the street and then in jail--NPR Interview, Steve Inskeep, 2003
*After being released from jail in the late '94---Steve Earle: life in the key of G.(blues guitarist records new album, 'Train A Comin shortly after release from jail in late 1994)
Guitar Player, October 1, 1995 | Russell, Rusty
*It's been two years since Steve Earle cleaned up his act, got out of jail"..---STEVE EARLE EL CORAZON E-Squared/Warner Bros., The Boston Globe (Boston, MA), November 20, 1997 | Doug Warren
*But Earle's appetite for success was exceeded only by his appetite for cocaine, heroin and self-destruction. When the explosive live document "Shut Up and Die Like an Aviator" came out in 1991, it hit like the last clap of thunder from a fast-fading storm. MCA dumped him. Three years of drug-induced silence followed..............When Earle was sentenced to jail on drug charges in 1994 there was some relief, but no surprise. --Bluegrass' prodigal father and son; Steve earle pays homage to the late Bill Monroe., The Boston Herald, July 30, 1999 | Convey, Kevin R.
*A Criminal Court judge agreed last week to release Earle from jail after he served 60 days of an 11-month, 29-day sentence for possessing heroin. The judge ordered Earle, 39, to complete an outpatient drug treatment program at Cedarwood Center in Hendersonville. Earle's attorney said the singer had been "hurting" because of withdrawal from methadone, which he had been taking for 14 months to combat an addiction to heroin.---EARLE MOVED TO DRUG CENTER, The Buffalo News (Buffalo, NY),November 3, 1994
*A judge sentenced Steve Earle to a year in jail for possessing a small amount of heroin. Earle, 39, was sentenced Friday after he failed to appear in court for a hearing. The country-rock singer earlier admitted to the possession. Lawyer Lionel Barrett said his client was in a drug treatment program at the time of the hearing.---EARLE TREATMENT, The Buffalo News (Buffalo, NY),September 9, 1994
*Earle notoriously spent four months in jail before kicking heroin in 1994. --
SWEETHEARTS OF THE ALT-COUNTRY RODEO; Steve Earle and Allison Moorer take their marriage on the road after resettling in New York City.(ENTERTAINMENT), Star Tribune (Minneapolis, MN),March 9, 2008 , Riemenschneider, Chris
*By the early '90s, Earle was more legendary for his drug addiction and scrapes with the law than his music. In 1993, he was arrested for heroin possession. In 1994, he was arrested for possession of crack cocaine. He spent eight weeks in jail, half of which were in a drug rehabilitation program. --STEVE EARLE KEEPS ON MAKING MUSIC ON HIS OWN TERMS, Albany Times Union (Albany, NY), January 14, 1996, WAYNE BLEDSOE
*--—Keithbob • Talk •  21:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Drugs/Arrest/Prison/Rehab etc

message: I listened to his SiriusXM show earlier this morning. The episode was new; it's the one in which Brandi Carlile and members of her band were guests. He told of how his son, John Henry, took his first steps on the tour bus which was parked outside of The House of Blues in Houston (if I recall correctly) while he and Allison Moorer were inside the venue. He said that his niece, Emily Earle, was John Henry's nanny on that tour and that she's a singer-songwriter who appeared on The Voice. (Who knows whether her parent is Steve Earle's sibling or his cousin, though.) I'm posting this because her name might be worthy of being added to the section about his personal life (if not now, maybe sometime in the future). Dyspeptic skeptic (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  His niece, Emily Earle, was a contestant on ''The Voice'' 

message: Earle if coming out with a new album GUY, that is a tribute to Guy Clark, similar to TOWNES, on March 29th, 2019. Stephen L. Betts, "Steve Earle Covers Guy Clark’s ‘Dublin Blues’ for Tribute Album ‘Guy’"Leifpotvin (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled