Talk:List of fatal cougar attacks in North America

message: Surely, for various reasons, an unknown number of unknown victims have been attacked, killed and eaten by predatory BIG cats since humans first began scampering acround the fruited plains and majestic purple mountains of the North American continent.
I know of no monument to these unknown folks. Nothing akin to the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetary.
Kinda' sad, in a way, for those who died by the fangs and claws of a killer kitty to be forgotten... ultimately being a mere burp after a cougar's dinner (or breakfast or lunch, snack, whatever).
Perhaps Wiki should offer an on-line memorial for those unknown vicitms.24.206.248.102 (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Victim 

message: Appeared in today's XKCD. May want to keep an eye on this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.53.110.198 (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  XKCD reference 

message: Thanks for removing that unverified, fake alleged incident. One of the things I've been seeing out in the real world are systematic efforts to make people think that mountain lion attacks and bear attacks are "on the rise" and far more common than gets reported by the supposed "liberal" media, the reasoning (so it goes on Facebook) is that not reporting attacks "which happen every day" is a conspiracy.
Eventually we might expect to see a serious effort to fill this Wikipedia entry with numerous claimed incidents, none of which will be backed with legitimate references. There seems to be a desire to pretend the threat is far more widespread and serious than it actually is, usually spread across "conservative" Facebook groups and pages. Damotclese (talk) 17:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  That Spoofed/Fake Incident 

message: Whoever cleaned up that "Laguna Beach Spree" nonsense, thank you. The claim was unreferenced, no citations, zero, it needed to be removed, thanks. Damotclese (talk) 18:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laguna Beach Spree 

message: Something corrupted the article, looks like it was an attempt to automate reformatting of the table or something. Hopefully I got the mess reverted and the article restored properly. Damotclese (talk) 15:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot or something corrupted it 

message: Thank you, editor, for removing Jaryd Atadero from the table, I had been considering doing that since the findings were that the predation of the remains were performed after death resulting from a fall. Damotclese (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaryd Atadero was predation after death 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: https://calcoastnews.com/2015/08/mountain-lion-chews-off-cayucos-mans-hand/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B048:E257:2C7D:F2D1:4E5A:D366 (talk) 14:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the extant article is about fatalities, not injuries. Damotclese (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Sorry, the issue is fatalities caused by mountain lions, not about mountain lions that eat humans after they have died. The fatality here is not caused by mountain lions despite the fact that a mountain lion ate the man's hand. Damotclese (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this be added? 

message: I'm going to remove the taxobox again. People who want to learn about how cougars are classified will search for and find that information in the general article on cougars, where a taxobox is already present. Including an infobox covering the parent topic on a subsidiary list article is a highly unusual practice. I don't see taxoboxes used in any of the other articles on animal attacks included in Template:Animal bites and stings. How is the taxobox a significant element of this list? Plantdrew (talk) 03:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxobox 

message: if you look up [5] and [6] it seems that both newspaper articles use the same words but different age for the boy. Something weird is going on there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.190.183.229 (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Papers make mistakes, no reason think anything of it.★Trekker (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same case of Murder? 

message: I just finished reading the shark attack page and saw no systematic reference to gender of the victims. Is there a reason this is relevant in this article? I'm willing to accept anything, including the fact that the reported incidents may lack substantive proof and the gender is simply meant to distinguish the (alleged?) victims. Like I said, it simply stood out because of the other attack page. Considering the age of victims, it seems unlikely this could have even a tenuous connection to female maturity that is sometimes theorized. Ukrpickaxe (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  gender? 

message: For the entry noted Killed by a cougar in Mt. Hood National Forest on the Hunchback Mountain Trail we need a better source than Fox News which has little credibility, and Oregon Live's News Coverage Article might be a better, more reliable, more accurate reference for that entry. 
For Wikipedia, reducing references and citations to unreliable sources is an on-going effort. SoftwareThing (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a better reference -- Killed by a cougar in Mt. Hood National Forest on the Hunchback Mountain Trail 

message: The recent addition of Jaryd Atadero to the list is not supported by facts. Google shows that the death is not solved, the father contends that the boy was abducted, there is no suitable evidence to support that he was attacked or eaten by a mountain lion.
After discussion, the proposed addition will likely be removed unless anyone can come up with official references or citations showing any mountain lion involvement. SoftwareThing (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you DifferentEyes for removing the entry, using Google I also could not find any suitable reference or citation that confirmed the suggestion. SoftwareThing (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaryd Atadero -- Not supported by facts 

message: Family members and friends continue to be annoyed that someone keeps vandalizing Brooks' gender, she was a woman who competed in women's physical events, all news reports, all references and citations has her down as female. Please stop vandalizing this page, she was not "binary" or any spectrum or non-definitive, every reference, citation, family, friends, and reports of her activities while alive has her as female. Thanks. SoftwareThing (talk) 23:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You just agreed with the binary source a few months ago (above on this talk page). Schazjmd (talk) 00:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  So I did! Why was the reference removed? I'll go look at this again. SoftwareThing (talk) 00:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

text:  Thank you, I put the citation back, thanks for reminding me. SoftwareThing (talk) 00:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  And once again, Brooks was female 

message: There is no reason to provide gender information on the victims. Sex is the only relevant demographic information when it comes to mortality and vulnerability of a sexually dimorphic species in this context. If the remains of a victim were found 100 years from now with no social information, their gender identity would be completely irrelevant and unknown to the statistical data. Similarly, gender is being assumed by the authors for the majority of the victims, seemingly solely so that the irrelevant information of the only atypical victim can be included in the article 
Either remove gender or stop reverting edits to sex. It's entirely counterfactual.
: The gender of people who have actually been attacked by mountain lions -- which, as people can see, is extremely rare, is of interest to people who might be doing research on the rare phenomena who might wish to classify or enumerate fatal attacks by gender to determine whether there is a stark bifurcation in numbers predicated upon gender. It seems to be a valid data point to include in the extant article, though it does break somewhat from other lists of fatal phenomena such as parachute jumping. 
: Also a plant or animal's gender is a spectrum, it's not either/or inasmuch as homomorphic physiological plant or animal reproductive organs are concerned, plants and animals have a spectrum of primary, secondary, and tertiary gender characteristics which span any cleanly-divided boundary line. That's biology on this planet predicated upon DNA and the ways and means in which gender expresses as both a function of genetics and hormonal development in the womb. 
: If you look at the history of edits, I kept replacing "non binary" with "female" because all of the extant references and citations -- including family members -- noted that Brooks was a female, until a definitive reference which held somewhat equal weight was located which supposed that Brooks defined herself in past years as "non binary," so the extant article and the classification was adopted.
: Oh: And gender has little to do with sex. Gender is not a definitive indication of sexual behavior, neither among plants nor animals. Battery-powered or electrical plug-in machines increasingly are being used to define human sexual behavior as populations increase and as bacteriological and viral organisms make their way circulating among the human populace, at least within industrialized  nations. SoftwareThing (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender vs Sex