Talk:Alexandra of Denmark

message: The oldest son of Alix and Bertie was called 'Albert Victor', not 'Albert Edward', which was Bertie's name. (I don't know how he got the nickname 'Eddy' I don't know. Maybe Edward was a subsequent name, but history records him as Albert Victor. 
Source: Harold Nicolson, King George V  - family tree at the back.
Alix's suicide attempt, and the fashion craze started by the high 'choker' collars, was reported in newspaper coverage on royal suicide attempts that followed claims about Diana, Princess of Wales's supposed suicide attempt.  It featured in a number of Irish, British and continental papers, as well as in magazines. JTD 01:11 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
:Would the British Royal Family settle for a piddling two names? I think not ;).  Edward was indeed a subsequent name: Albert Victor Christian Edward, Duke of Clarence.  I had never heard the choker bit, very interesting...and rather an unusual suicide method. -- Someone else 01:15 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
:Thanx. I didn't have his full name. I presumed Eddy was in there somewhere but he was formally known simply as Albert Victor just as the Duke of Windsor was known as 'Prince Edward' even though his family called him David. 
:Apparently Alix tried to cut her own throat. When it was a genuine suicide attempt, or something akin to one of Diana's melodramatic 'suicide' attempts (one of which apparently used a knife that was so blunt (and which she knew was so blunt) that it wouldn't cut melted butter!) Alix does come across as a very nice, genuine woman. But people who knew of the scar found it bizarre that millions of women in Britain, Ireland and even America began wearing Choker Collars (often made of lace), having absolutely no idea that Alix wasn't making a fashion choice but was trying to conceal a major scar. Indeed, quite apart from the suicide link, she and Diana were quite alike; strikingly beautiful women in marriages that were none too solid, with difficult relationships with courtiers, married to husbands who if they inherited the throne at all, would only inherit it in old age. This fairy tale is a load of rubbish, she wore chokers to hide a small scar on her neck from a operation she had as a child she was vain about it thats all.
Absolutely, the rumour was that Alexandra had tried to commit suicide because of her husband's unfaithfulness.  In her wedding photos and portraits of her before her marriage her neck is bare and if she was so concerned about a scar she would have covered it then.  The high collars and chokers came later.  I was told this rumor in the 1960s by older family members that the high collars and chokers were to cover the scar from a suicide attempt.  (JTAC) 
One can only hope that Prince William isn't a modern equivalent of poor Prince Eddy, who was mentally deficient (to put it mildly); others called him at the time mentally retarded'. And the poor lad did have a habit of stumbling quite innocently into 'scandals'; from supposedly being 'Jack the Ripper' (a bit difficult given that for one of the murders, he was up in Balmoral, in full view of Queen Victoria, the German Kaiser, the Prime Minister and senior ministers at dinner. (Even in the days of Concorde, he'd have difficulty getting down to London, murder a prostitute, and then get back to Balmoral in time for dessert! )The of course, there was the rumour that he was caught up in the Cleveland St. gay brothel scandal. I think Britain's monarchy had a lucky escape when he died and the throne went to his younger brother, who as George V was one of Britain's finest ever monarchs.  JTD 03:12 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
Since we all seem to agree that it was either a suicide attempt or at the very least very widely rumored to be from a suicide attempt, would the person who keeps deleting the mention of suicide please stop? This is the third time I have added it and someone keeps deleting is. If they continue maybe we can do a temporary block of the user. RockStarSheister (talk) 20:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that (1) the editor concerned included their rationale in the edit summaries; (2) the editor concerned acted in good faith; (3) the editor concerned has done a great deal to improve this article by inserting additional information and references; (4) no infraction covered by the blocking policy occurred; and (5) the editor is me. No, I don't think blocking would be appropriate. DrKay (talk) 09:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  older comments 

message: Wikipedia does not put birth and death locations in the opening paragraph between the birth and death dates. The style is simply to use <style><name> (<birth>-<death>). Other information goes later in the article. I have removed mention of where someone was born and where someone died to elsewhere. FearÉIREANN 22:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening paragraph

message: "Alexandra herself was never known to have taken a lover. Those within the monarchy commonly did do so (women monarchs included), however for someone of her social stature, it would not have been socially accepted if common knowledge."  I'm surprised by the assertion that women monarchs commonly took lovers, especially if the reference is to British Queens.  Queen Caroline (Princess Caroline of Brunswick, consort of George IV) did so, but was the subject of a very messy divorce as a result.  Queen Victoria's relationship with John Brown was probably not sexual.  I can't think of anyone else in modern times - Edward II's consort Isabelle is going back about 700 years.  References?  Chelseaboy 15:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No lover

message: Why is there no mention of all of her children? On the bio for Mary of Teck there is a chart listing all of her children, yet this article seems to only mention Prince Albert Victor? --Mdieke 07:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue???

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message: Can I help it if she was a popular princess in these parts? -
:The original Alexandra Suspension Bridge in the Fraser Canyon in British Columbia, Canada, and its successor bridges as well as the adjacent bluff and a nearby roadhouse, the Alexandra Lodge of the Cariboo Road, were named for Alexandra. Also named for her in British Columbia were the Fraser River river sternwheeler SS Lady Alexandra, the later Union Steamships coastal liner SS Alexandra, the Queen Alexandra Solarium in Mill Bay, British Columbia, the Alexandra Non-sectarian Orphanage in Vancouver, and the Alexandra Ladies Club (Alexandra House) in Victoria.
The vessels and the hospital and so on were unlinked as those articles don't exist yet, but all shall; the vessels in particular were high-profile bits of loyalist ardour in this, the most royalist of all colonies.  The orphanage is now, I think, Queen Alexandra School but I haven't checked that yet; I'm not sure of the dates of the royal visits, I don't think she was on hand for the opening of the solarium or orphanage, but she may have been there for the sod-turning.  The Ladies Club, well, OK, it may yet have an article and in fact she may have had tea there, an actual physical connection....I don't think she was in any of the royal parties who toured the colony/early province e.g. Lord Dufferin, but I'll check  The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and York's visit to Vancouver in 1901-02, I think were the dates, was one of the most photographed events in the city's early history - I'm sure there were some formal dedications and commemorations during the visit to BC, maybe as noted the endowments fo the solarium and the orphanage.  If such legacies are common elsewhere in the Empire, e.g. Australia, maybe a list page would be suitable?  Talk about obscure - List of places and things named for Alexandra of Denmark, but....or at least once those are linkable they could be reinstated?Skookum1 (talk) 14:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's also an obscure island in Howe Sound, and a coal mine at Nanaimo....the ladies club is one of three, the others being in the UK and Australia, but I think Alexandra House is still a heritage establishment/building in Victoria.  The women's equivalent of the Empire Club, which is the rich guy's club/building/ in other words it's going to have an article anyway.  There's also the much-less-important Alexanra Hotel in Natal, British Columbia, basically a ber with rooms upstairs (or was).  Maybe a catch-all List of names honouring royalty in British Columbia, then?  She's not alone, y'seee...Skookum1 (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: We can't list everything that was named after her and every place she may have drank a cup of tea. It would swamp this article, which should be a biography not a list. I think it's too much for you to list relatively minor things when entire towns are excluded. There is a vast number of schools, streets, buildings, etc. named after her. In Britain alone, there are 30 Alexandra Avenues today, not including those that have been demolished. There are many, many other Alexandra Roads and Alexandra Streets, not to mention Alexandra Closes, Alexandra Courts, Alexandra Drives, and so on and so on. We are talking hundreds upon hundreds of things named after her. If I had my way the entire "named after her" section would be removed. A compromise is to list one or two of the most notable things only, and anything else can go in its own article. DrKay (talk) 14:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah....well, the bridge certainly, the vessels I'd say also (once there's articles), unless there were a shot of ships named for her....the ladies club,sc hool and hopital, no (unless she opened them?).  NB AFAIK the Lady Alexandra was named before she was elevated to Princess of Wales...Skookum1 (talk) 14:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I almost kept in the ship so if it was put back I probably wouldn't squeal. DrKay (talk) 14:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Excess legacy

message: This is how she is named in old pics/chronicles of their visit to Vancouver; it's not in the titles/styles section....is this an error?  Or just forgotten/obscure, except in the colonies?Skookum1 (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've confused her with Mary of Teck. DrKay (talk) 14:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess, so then; probably because I'm confusing the numbers on the Edwards??  The pic of Queen Mary on that page looks remarkably like QEII, no?  Hmmm I'm going to have to read Alix's bio a bit closer to see if she ever came to BC; maybe; the orphanage/school appears to have been deedicated in 1909, around the time of the Duke of Clarence's visit....(who became a king, but which one??)Skookum1 (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Duchess of Cornwall and York?

message: "All of Alexandra's children were born prematurely; during the birth of her third child in 1867 complications threatened her life and she was left with a permanent limp."
Excuse me, what hase a giving birth to a child with a limp to do ? I can't imagine this. --AndreaMimi (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Possible pelvic damage. Victorian medicine was barbaric by modern standards. RedTomato (talk) 23:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her limp 

message: Recently the file :File:Alexandra of Denmark by Sir (Samuel) Luke Fildes.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 03:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New file [[:File:Alexandra of Denmark by Sir (Samuel) Luke Fildes.jpg]] 

message: I suggest "Queen Alexandra, consort of Edward VII, King of Great Britain." Torontonian1 (talk) 02:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Too long, and the guardians of WP:NCNT would never allow it. DrKay (talk) 08:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title: another view 

message: Why is she 'of Denmark' considering her highest status was in the UK?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arfæst Ealdwrítere (talk • contribs) 19:43, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you want to submit a move request nobody is stopping you. PatGallacher (talk) 01:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Because she was born Princess Alexandra of Denmark, and like her predecessors and successors, her origin needs to be incorporated into her article’s title. See Mary of Teck, Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen, Caroline of Brunswick, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Caroline of Ansbach, Mary of Modena, Catherine of Braganza, Anne of Denmark, etc. Keivan.fTalk 03:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "of Denmark"?

message: In the lede, a wikilinked mention is made of great powers, which links to an article Great power which discusses modern and historic great powers. Its not a good match at all.
It appears to me "great powers" is referring to (a subset of) the crown heads of Europe ... but the article for that phrase is a stub. There is an article International relations of the Great Powers (1814–1919), but this discusses the sovereign AND elected governments of what were considered great powers of the relevant time period.
Perhaps someone more familiar with the subject matter, in the specific context of the lede, ie exactly who, or which powers consented to Frederick VII's ascension to the throne of Denmark, and change the wikilink accordingly?
Thanks. Prime Lemur (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to 'major European powers' and introduced a link to London Protocol (1852). Celia Homeford (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much , that was exactly what I was looking for! I'd just never heard of the London Protocol. So quick too. 🍎
Prime Lemur (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "great powers" link in lede 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved   (t · c) buidhe 00:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexandra of Denmark →  – Alexandra's highest rank is Queen of the United Kingdom, and she is most notable for being a Queen Consort of the United Kingdom (as the consort to King George V of the United Kingdom) rather than being a Princess of Denmark so why is the article titled "Alexandra of Denmark"? "Queen Alexandra" even redirects to this page.
In fact her title ceased to be Alexandra of Denmark in 1863 when she married her husband
Alexandra - Titles and styles:
1 December 1844 – 31 July 1853: Her Highness Princess Alexandra of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
31 July 1853 – 21 December 1858: Her Highness Princess Alexandra of Denmark
21 December 1858 – 10 March 1863: Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra of Denmark
10 March 1863 – 22 January 1901: Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales
22 January 1901 – 6 May 1910: Her Majesty The Queen
6 May 1910 – 20 November 1925: Her Majesty Queen Alexandra
Yeungkahchun (talk) 03:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Then in my opinion, the article Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother should be renamed, per that reason. Peter Ormond (talk) 22:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree that it should.  BTW she was consort of Edward VII, not George V. PatGallacher (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, there have been calls to have the article about The Queen Mother moved back to its original title, “Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon”, which would make it consistent with the articles about other consorts. I think two users raised the issue on the article’s talk page but no formal “requests” for renaming the page has been submitted. Any such request should have a strong base within our naming policies and show that the maiden name is the most suitable and common name for that page. Keivan.fTalk 03:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 April 2021 

message: The 1913 portrait appears to be a reversed version of that to be found in the NPG collection at  https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw263506/Queen-Alexandra?LinkID=mp00072&search=sas&sText=queen+alexandra&wPage=19&role=sit&rNo=390. It has also been artificially faded at the sides. I don't see what it would have added to the page.
Sbishop (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1913 portrait substituted and reverted 

message: Why was this section removed? I feel it is a poor decision. JasonKurth (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I came here looking to see if this was mentioned because I was sure I'd seen it on her article in the past. None of her siblings have this section either. 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:99C1:3A3F:A00A:39A3 (talk) 22:44, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

text: That's what the edit summary said: . Most of it was uncited and the one citation that was given didn't support the content. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles & Styles 

message: For a while there was information in the legacy section regarding the Queen Alexandra Bridge in Sunderland, UK. I updated that section slightly and then shortly afterwards it was removed as deemed too trivial (along with street names). I re-added the bridge section with a little more detail plus another reference. This was then removed almost straight away, again with reason (trivial, excessive detail) by user DrKay. I still think the bridge is very relevant to the article. It was dedicated to the Queen and the Earl of Durham officially opened it on her behalf, it wasn't a trivial matter, she was loved in the area as she was in most of the UK, maybe more so in England. The text that was removed:
"The Queen Alexandra Bridge, a road traffic, pedestrian and former railway bridge in Sunderland, was officially opened by The Earl of Durham, on behalf of Queen Alexandra on the 10th of June, 1909."
Am I alone in my thoughts here, is this local landmark that was dedicated and named after a beloved Queen, really irrelevant to the legacy section of her article? Norms360 (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all abit trivial and is noticeably cited to books and websites about the things themselves. The citations are not actually about Alexandra. This article should be about Alexandra not English street or bridge names. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

text: My view hasn't changed since 2008: #Excess legacy. DrKay (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy