Talk:Guitar/Archives/2007

message: I think telling people or future musicians where these instuments can be bought would help them get off on a better start. Don't you??? That is why I added the link to MusiciansFriend.
:Any random music store will likely have dozens of guitars in stock. I believe it's one of the most common instruments in the western world. There is no need for a link to an online guitar store. And besides, it's still advertising. Phædrus 20:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where You Can Get These

message: I think it would be really useful to have an article about the idea of "chops" with guitar. It would, of course, have to include examples of good chops and questionable chops, which would make it really really tough to maintain NPOV in such an article. Even so, I think the article should be there. It could address the distinctions between traditional blues chops vs classical guitar chops, acoustic chops vs electric chops, pick chops vs fingerpicking chops, conventions of chops such as timing, bending, vibrato, etc...
Anyone else think wikipedia could use such an article?
It sounds frivolous to me. (Strictly speaking, by the way, the discussion would have to be limited to guitarists like Jimi Hendrix, who is reputed to have played occasionally with his teeth.) TheScotch 09:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed new article: Guitar Chops

message: What about steel guitar used in country music?
I assume you mean a resonator, which is in the list of types of guitar/
I'm pretty sure he/she means a slide guitar
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thread_title:  Steel guitar? 

message: What about major guitar manufacturers?
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thread_title:  Major manufacturers? 

message: :A note about classical guitars, before someone could add the article some "flameable" topics: since best instruments are usually personally made by single artisans (liutai), or by small firms, I would avoid mentioning japanese manufacturers, though market leaders (= majors?), whose products effectively have an average good quality but (usually) far from what you would need for an important concert (yes, I know, some are used, but still there are some players that can go on without sponsors' money). Classical guitarists usually show a religious devotion for their hand-made instruments and there still are some little... Stradivari of guitars. So, if someone has the patience to list all those single liutai he knows, we could also add japanese firms; in the opposite case it would only start an endless flame, so perhaps better to give up.
:About other guitars, which production has different schemes, respective manufacturers could deserve their own articles (and in this case japanese would fairly be included).
:Another note about classical guitars: ok, acoustic have a louder tone, but not necessarily a "brighter" one. Also, Flamenco guitars do not necessarily have a "sharper sound". Reading the article, it could seem as if classical guitar had no other quality than being a base for further developments (which it can also be, but not only).
:The timbro of classical guitar (of a good one, at least) varies form the natural prosecution of higher Contrabbasso to the lowest Mandolino and consents sharp and bright tones as well as smooth harmonies, all together from the same cassa armonica. Chords (always less considered than deserved) and skill (no comment...) can help in extracting from the instrument what might seem (sharpness, brightness) as a principal quality at a first sight. Classical timbro has to cover a repertoire that comes from chamber music, is true, but don't stop here, just try toimagine Aranjuez played with another kind of guitar, and you'll have your answer.
:Classical repertoire is less known, is quite limited (in comparison with other instruments) and mainly thanks to Segovia and Tarrega has been increased of several translations (pieces originally meant for piano or other instruments where adapted for guitar); there is now plenty of available samples of versatility of classical guitar in sharp and bright timbro too (but not only). I hope that this can be rendered in the article if someone has to add something more about technical differences.
:Final: why bass guitar, apart from name, should be included in this family while it is the technical evolution of Contrabbasso in the handful shape of an electric guitar? We don't usually consider a horgan as just a variety of pianoforte, I suppose, even if it has a similar keyboard.
: I don't understand your comment about japanese manufacturers at all -- if they are a major manufacturer, then lets mention -- if not then don't. There are quality japanese instruments as well and to suggest that everyone who uses one is doing so because of sponsorship is POV.
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thread_title:  Classical guitars 

message: I did not edit or remove any material. I ADDED material about 1) The number of resonators found on these guitars (one or three) and the type of bridge used (biscuit or spider) Ned 08:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resonator Guitars 

message: I believe Adolf Rickenbacker should get some credit in inventing the electric guitar - His 'frying pan' lap steel predated either fender's or Les Paul's.
Actually, neither Fender nor Les Paul invented the electric guitar. They both developed solid-body guitars that led to the popularization of such guitars.
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thread_title:  Adolf Rickenbacker 

message: The assertion that the guitar is descended from the lute is contradicted by the French version of this subject, which says they're of distinct families of different descent.  Anybody have more on this?  And where does the oud fit in to the guitar's development?
: I am an amateur lutenist and I have always heard from my teachers that the relation between the lute and guitar, if any, is unknown. B.Bryant 23:30, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why are guitar builders called "luthiers"? They also build and repair banjos, mandolins, violins, dulcimers, etc etc..., any one of which can be traced back to the lute. It boils down to a box with strings and a neck for selecting notes. Different than a piano or a wind powered instrument. They are similar enough in concept and execution. It wouldn't take much to teach an old lute maker (transported via time travel) how to make an acoustic guitar.--Xj14y 20:44, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: The french version is correct.Richard 01:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged descendance from lute 

message: Does anyone know something to write about this type of Guitar?
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thread_title:  [[Tres guitar]] used in [[Salsa (music)]] 

message: from "Guitar culture":
:The guitar has come to be called many different colloquial names over time such as: box, axe, shredder, teeth flosser, and box-o-strings.
I have played guitar for over 40 years and know many guitarists and have never heard a guit-fiddle called teeth flosser or box-o-strings. Is this regional, original research, patent nonsense, or stealth vandalism? -- WCFrancis 14:40, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All Google hits are from Wiki, some mirrors, some GNU uses of article. -- WCFrancis 14:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No response; I am removing the questionable terms. -- WCFrancis 01:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slang

message: Guitar article surely came to a really large size. One of its major components is "Guitar parts" listing with a description of each one. I'd like to pull each such guitar part into separate article - it deserves it. There are much more to say about each guitar component. It would be nice to have an image of every guitar part. It would enrich Wikipedia a lot and ease up the burden of large guitar article.
What do you think? -- GreyCat 12:56, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar parts 

message: I made a small but significant deletion in this section.
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The bridge is commonly adjusted after replacing strings since small discrepancies in the diameters of the strings can greatly affect the intonation of the guitar.
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I removed this material because it is not true. The bridge is NOT commonly readjusted after string changes. Small "discrepancies" in string diameter do NOT greatly affect intonation. Changing the GAUGE or thickness of a set of strings (going from a lighter set to a heavier set, or vice versa) CAN affect intonation, but it is not common or usual, and would only occur if a significant change was made. Ned 08:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bridge 

message: I added a phrase here to indicate that dovetail joints are (also) used on acoustic guitars, exemplified by CF Martin's D28 model and similar Martins. Ned 08:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neck joint 

message: I made a significant deletion in this section. The text said that bending the neck forcefully, to change the pitch of a note, was a fairly common technique -- especially in Blues and Rock and Roll music. This is not true. 
Bending a note to change pitch is very common, but this is done by pressing the fretting finger sideways against the string as the string is pressed against the fret -- while plucking the string with the other hand. This raises the pitch of the string incrementally. Another pitch technique is vibrato, accomplished by skillfully "wagging" the fretting hand as a string is being fretted -- again while also plucking the string with the other hand.
Forcefully bending the neck CAN change the pitch of the string. However it is very rare for a guitarist to do this intentionally, as the results are difficult to achieve and there is real danger that the neck will break or be damaged. Ned 08:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neck 

message: I made a small deletion and addition. The previous text said that some fretboards are made of graphite. (Graphite would not be an acceptable material) This is not true. I changed the text to say that some fretboards are made of manufactured or composite materials such as HPL or resin. materials incorporating carbon fiber or graphite may be used, but these materials are composites containing limited amounts of fiber or graphite. Ned 08:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fretboard 

message: I made a small edit and addition. I REMOVED a phrase that said that some nuts are made of graphite, because that is untrue. Some nuts are made with a material that is impregnated with graphite. (Graphtech brand) Pure graphite would not be a suitable nut material. I added a line saying that some nuts are made with material impregnated with graphite. Ned 08:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nut 

message: In the article, lectric guitar pickups are called "transducers." Transducers are found in microphones, and speaker coils are also technically transducers. But I've always thought of transducers as devices that transmit sound vibrations to electrical impulses, as a microphone does. 
Now, it may seem that this is what an electric guitar pickup does, but MOST electric guitar pickups are MAGNETIC. The pickup senses (or picks up) the vibrations of the guitar string DIRECTLY, because the string is ferrous and the magnet creates a field in which the string's vibrations are translated into electrical energy. But the pickup does not sense the SOUND vibrations of the string but, rather, the actual movement of the string. 
I always understood that a transducer sensed vibrations of SOUND, in the air or in a sound-conducting material, and translated (or transduced) the vibration to electrical energy.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Or perhaps this is not a difference that makes a difference. I'm raising the question, hoping that a more technically trained person can adjust the text if needed. Ned 07:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electric Guitar Pickups 

message: I made a small deletion in this section. Here is the original sentence, showing my deletion:
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Many guitarists use a long established (centuries old) tuning variation where the lowest string is 'dropped' two semi-tones down. Known as Drop-D tuning it is, from low to high, DAdgbe'.
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The statement that drop D tuning is long established and centuries old is not true. Ned 09:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the drop D tuning is quite old. Both Fernando Sor and Matteo Carcassi wrote pieces using this tuning. I don't know exactly when these pieces were published but considering the composers' life spans, it would be in the late 18th or early 19th centuries. There may be earlier pieces using this tuning as well that I'm not familiar with, but even if these were the earliest, the statement you removed seems reasonable to include. If someone could find more detailed information (like when the first piece using this tuning was published) then we could have a more useful statement than the previous one. --Amazzing5 20:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tuning 

message: Anyone have any thoughts about creating a WikiProject or Wikiportal for the guitar?  The guitar article itself is very long and has a multitude of information- this seems like it would be better suited in a project and/or portal rather than just linked off of the article.  This would also give us more flexibility in how we organize the information (say rather than removing "Guitar Culture" perhaps we could find a better way to make it fit in Wikipedia).  I would like to hear if that sounds reasonable.  --Chevan 11:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject/Wikiportal Guitar 

message: In the Parts of the guitar section, should Body (acoustic guitar) be merged with Body (electric guitar). I don't mean an actual merge but have it so that in the TOC it is
:2.9 Body
:2.9.1 Body (acoustic guitar)
:2.9.2 Body (electric guitar)
instead of
:2.9 Body (acoustic guitar)
:2.10 Body (electric guitar)
What do you all think? Thelb4 11:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body 

message: If somebody can elaborate about Semi-acoustic Guitar , it would be interesting and appreciated... thanks in advance ! Rama 10:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-acoustic guitars 

message: My guess is that this article was written by musicians. Finding references would be nice, but many parts of this article are "common" knowledge among musicians (the request for sources, looks like a request for verifiability to me, and I had to leave the above comment). +MATIA  ☎ 13:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  about sources 

message: The first image of the article is not iconic, representative, ...
Cigsandalcohol 02:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad top image 

message: Is there a specific article (apart from String instrument and Vibrating string) about guitar strings? Should we add something more about these in the tuning section? +MATIA  ☎ 18:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, the guitar is a transposing instrument it sounds one octave lower than written. Richard 02:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  guitar strings 

message: "The Guitar from the Renaissance to the Present Day" by Harvey Turnbull () has been recommended to me personally time over by my teacher as one of the most well researched and reliable sources for the subject ever. It was written in 1974 and has had excellent praise from John Williams (the player), The Musical Times, The Economist and the Music Journal to quote just the blurb.
If anyone can get hold of it then it has some valuable info if they're up for beefing up the instrument's very unclear history according to most sources and institutions. I have observed that much information I have picked up from this book is not present in the article (although the book is very comprehensive, perhaps unnecessarily so). I would do so myself but to be honest I am intimidated by condensing the vast amount of information and pleasing the existing quality of the article.
Nonetheless worth the read for guitar lovers and for educational research.
-Green Gecko
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thread_title:  Highly regarded reference for development of the guitar if interested 

message: The earliest extant six string guitar was built in 1779 by Gaetano Vinaccia (1759 - after 1831) [1] [2] in Naples, Italy. The Vinaccia family of luthiers is known for developing the mandolin. This guitar has been examined and does not show tell-tale signs of modifications from a double-course guitar. [3]
What does the author of above mean by "double-course" guitar?
That it has only two (double) strings? I suspect the writer doesn't realise the term course refers to twin strings. Please clarify Richard 12:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  real history 

message: THat is the question. What is the answer? 8-?--Light current 17:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well ... according to the wikipedia article on capos it is capotasto. According to Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians it is two words capo tasto comming from the Italian for head (capo) and tie (tasto). Webster, under capo, also mentions that it comes from the Italian capotasto (one word this time). So it would appear that capodastra is bunk. --Amazzing5 19:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Since I didn't actually answer your question, it would be neither (neither capatosto or capodastra that is). Rather, it would be capotasto. Although now I'm starting to question myself. Looking around with Google, it looks like every reference to capodastra is from a UK site. Possibly this is considered standard for British spelling, but I can't find any use of this word except for a few isolated online stores. Every other place I look uses capotasto. --Amazzing5 16:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: or Capodastro
--Greyclair 01:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capatosto or capodastra? 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Distortion#Proposed_Article_Titles_and_Changes
The refactoring is in-progress.  It will have negligible effect on the present article. MichaelSHoffman 03:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Break out Guitar-dedicated articles 

message: I was hoping to find some information of the problem of designing a guitar that intonates correctly up and down the neck. This subject was brought to mind by reading about both the Buzz Feiten (http://www.buzzfeiten.com) and Fretwave (http://www.fretwave.com) systems. Is there anyone capable of writing about this problem? Hi There 00:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why shouldnt they intonate correctly if the frets nut and bridge are in the right places?--Light current See just intonation.--Light current 16:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Warning: a can of worms lurks. Equal temperament is a compromise yet performers still try to 'beat' or tweak the tempered system (e.g. by tuning such that thirds are sweetened in certain positions when playing works in chosen keys that utilise certain fingerings/positions). The guitar isn't tuned to just intonation; if it was it wouldn't work across the strings. RichardJ Christie 09:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitar Intonation

message: How about some information on the various woods used for guitar making, and their various acoustic properties?  That's a must for a guitar article. Alexnye 06:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Materials: woods used 

message: I noticed that someone changed the standard tuning from (EADGBe) to (EADGBE). Does anyone have an opinion on what format should be used? (EADGBe) is fairly common, but it should technically be (EAdgbe1) or (E2 A2 D3 G3 B3 E4) depending on what naming standard you ascribe to for pitches. --Amazzing5 13:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notation of tuning 

message: Removed http://learn-how-to-play-acoustic-guitar.blogspot.com for two reasons. One is because it is a blog and any Wikipedia article has to adhere to WP:V and WP:RS, it also has to meet the various aspects of WP:NPOV. The main reason it was removed is because it does not offer any lessons as of right now, it only looks as if someone was trying to promote and advertize their site, which is also not allowed. silic0nsilence 23:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed External Link 

message: Maybe you can discuss about allergies that Nickel strings cause, and as it is a better idea to buy stainless steel strings to encounter this. (Just an idea, discuss at will)
Some Further Research:
I was doing some research in the internet, and within wikipedia, and I've found some more facts about allergies that stringed instruments may cause because of the presence of nickel. Some people are aware about their allergies of nickel because they wear cheap jewellery (like a necklace which the metallic part is in contact with the skin, and causes irritations ect...), and get little bumps, which some fluid inside, that may be popped under pressure, but this is not recomended, as many doctors will say, and as we know that when there is holes in skin tissue, it is easier to catch bacteria within, and get an infection...
From my research, I found out that this allergy is called Allergic Contact Dermatitis (thanks to Wikipedia), and it really matches the condition I am currently going through, so maybe some more stuff can be added from some research on the interaction of the skin, and nickel...
I've done some more research, and I'll be coming up with a list of different strings which are made out of Stainless Steel (with no traces of nickel). Maybe this will help!
Anyway, I hope I can help out here! 
--Lethaljellybean 18:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not wear latex gloves?--Light current 02:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Issues 

message: I have heard about some specialized guitar types.
*Twisted fretboards -- These are intended to reduce the stresses on the wrist by allowing you to hold the fretboard in an ergonomically correct manner and avoid Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.
*Left-Handed versions -- These allow a left-handed person to play the guitar and pick or strum with their left hand.
Not sure if you can get both in one guitar. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specialized Guitar Types 

message: I have a DeGarmo & Key album where in a photo one of them is holding something in the same manner as a guitar, but it has a keyboard.  It does appear to have something resemabling a fretboard.  What is it? Will (Talk - contribs) 04:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a keytar-Crunchy Numbers 18:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synthesizer that you hold like a guitar? 

message: I think that this article looks really good, maybe even Featured article class good. What do you guys think?--18:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FA?

message: There appears to be a mistake on the diagram of the parts of the guitar. It shows the saddle as being the bridge and vice-versa. The saddle on a steel string acoustic is the hard piece of bone or plastic that sits in a slot in the bridge. On some electrics there are multiple saddles that are seperatly adjustable.-Crunchy Numbers 18:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and fixed it.-Crunchy Numbers 18:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  saddle 

message: Many anomymous users are vandalizing this article.  As such, I think it should be semi-protected. Will (Talk - contribs) 06:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to semi-protect this article 

message: I love this article and wish I had something to contribute to it.
One thing I'd like to approach (which would really need a seperate article) is some sort of information regarding the process of actually teaching and learning guitar. Of course I know this is an encyclopedia and "some sort of information" just doesn't cut it. Has anyone considered (and does anyone have the requisite knowledge to start) an article on "guitar teaching methods" or something of the sort? Or is that not a specific enough subject?
FretBored 07:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea for new article (unsure if it's suitable) 

message: Hello all I would need an help would be nice if you could help me. I do have a guitar at home and I need to practise some leads and scales. Can some of you reffer me those links to me other than that in the external links. I am really sorry that I could not log in but you can always leave the link on 
my talk page. Thanks. Rencin.Rencin Matthew
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thread_title:  External Links 

message: Please examine the external links and see if they belong.  I figure commercial sites don't.  Unfortunately, I don't play the guitar and can't help evaluate the sites.  Sorry. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do the [[WP:EL|external links]] belong? 

message: I think that the 2006-11-28 18:25:58 edit by 74.224.43.141 (talk -- contrib) is a step backwords in readability.  However, since I don't know much about guitars, I didn't want to revert the changes myself.  Please check those changes out and tell me what you think. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Fixed it, thanks. Justinmeister 05:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we revert this edit? 

message: Shouldn't the little whatchamagig about the article not citing it's sources be moved to the top, where more people (and possibly editors) can see it?  Nineteenninetyfour 02:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Good point. Justinmeister 07:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing Sources 

message: For the decent treatment of one of the most important instruments in music and musical history (yes, I'm being a bigot :D), I request an infobox similar to other instruments' ones; cf. the pages on a lot of the brass instruments, and especially the harp.
Something like this: (Note: The guitar, as of yet, does not have a musical range image. (Check Image:Range_harp.png).
DÉSOLÉ, SORRY! you know what i'll make it myself; please ignore this comment.
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thread_title:  Infobox Requested 

message: This stub Gallotone guitar doesn't have much content, it's basically a record of a cheap guitar.  I propose we include it hear.  Alan.ca 10:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Gallotone guitar 

message: Should the introduction be changed to mention that that guitar has six strings, but many variations exists? The way it is now looks silly, I mean, should we add the Picasso guitar too?Nj78 01:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Strings 

message: Strap locks redirects to this page, yet there's nothing on here about them 203.206.92.154 07:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strap locks 

message: I noticed the list of external links in this article's EL section has grown.  Someone attempted to solve the bulk problem with that long list by dividing the section up into subsections.  However, I have to question that we need all those links.  Please look into dropping a few.
If a link is clearly commercial in nature, I think that link should be dropped ASAP.  If the link is non-commercial, but the site is operated by the same person that added the link, please consider moving the link to the talk page so we can discuss whether it should be kept or not. Will (Talk - contribs) 02:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many external links 

message: I think this article needs to be expanded on these subjects, they're the  most beautiful guitars in the world yet they are not discussed here. 201.23.32.2 21:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent guitar / nylon electric 

message: I don't see any factual errors, and find it interesting that there are absolutely no sources for the French "featured" article.DMCer (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: "...sources for various names of musical instruments that guitar could be derived from appear to be a combination of two Indo-European roots: guit-, similar to Sanskrit sangeet meaning "music", and -tar a widely attested root meaning "chord" or "string"...."
--gui-tara- comes froms sah or sas (6) + tara (string). See also:
centaur (santur or santar): 100 strings: 
ektar: 1 string
dotar: 2 strings, etc.
User:Bogus sig to force archiving 00:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: =six strings

message: Let's make this a featured article, guys! Remember, be bold when updating. The guitar components/parts section needs way less bloated-ness (the summations are overkill, why don't we have a Definition List with links and a quick few lines of summary?). I've created a guitar components page where the full summaries can go. I think this is a good way to start building this page into a prime example of Wikipedia cleanliness. Zachblume 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lets get the ball rolling 

message: I have heard of guitars with ergonomic features (the fretboard is twisted to allow a more natural position for the wrist) and left-handed guitars (the entire guitar is reversed).  I think if more information and photos can be found, this should be added to the article. Will (Talk - contribs) 06:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ergo and left-handed guitars 

message: I'm not the one who proposed the merge, but in my opinion, this article is just too long.  I'd suggest that rather than merging "Parts of the Guitar" here, that the stuff here mostly be merged into "Parts of the Guitar".  
I'd suggest keeping the diagrams with part listings, and a link to Parts of the guitar.  
-- TimNelson 11:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The maker Louis Panormo is named here as Louise!. The Panormo family and their guitars are discussed in "The Guitar in England 1800-1924" by Stewart Button, Garland Publishing, Inc., New York & London 1989. While Louis was almost certainly the prime mover in the family's guitar production, the enhancements to the Spanish style of guitar design probably derive from the work of his brother Joeseph, who worked with the guitarist Fernando Sor.
While the Panormos were makers of good quality guitars, I doubt that Louis belongs alongside Torres in importance in improvements to the concert classical guitar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.255.28.254 (talk) 11:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spelling fixed. L Panormo is only credited with a role in demonstrating role of fan strutting, if the above reference credits that development to Joeseph please add the citation and change 'Louis Panormo' to 'Panormo brothers'. [I understand Louis later emigrated to New Zealand where he dabbled in building keyboards]. RichardJ Christie 04:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panormo 

message: I happened to come across the section where it said Steve Vai worked with Ibanez to develop the seven-string electric guitar the 'Jem'. Well, it is infact not the Jem, but is the 'Universe' model. The Jem is Steve Vai's 6 string, and the Universe is the 7 string.
138.130.173.138 11:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'Jem' 

message: why are the guitars pictured in every guitar page always really shit guitars? epiphone, mexican fenders etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.143.218.240 (talk) 10:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  shit guitars 

message: "However, it was Danelectro that first produced electric guitars for the wider public." danelectro first started making electric guitars for the wider public in 1954... fender started making electric guitars for the wider public in 1950, gibson's first solid body electric was 1952... how does danelectro beat gibson and fender by starting after them? am i mising something here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.143.218.240 (talk) 10:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danelectro 

message: I'm not sure about the Dime being so important for Billy Gibbons' unique sound, After all he does co-design his own custom guitars and also picks the string at harmonic points! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.22.9.171 (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Gibbons 

message: Moved sentence referring to Iranian tar from 3rd paragraph (Spanish vihuela) to 2nd paragraph (etymology of "guitar").  Not sure how to integrate it properly into that paragraph, though.  Any ideas? Nisada 05:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: A link should be added in the See also section to the Air guitar article. 189.136.157.102 07:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Air guitar

message: i'm not completely an elite in wiki code, so can someone help me organize the external portals at the bottom of the page? Thanks.--Camelcast 11:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  portal help!!! 

message: Not sure what these are - jumbo guitars, but they seem to have some popularity24.175.73.132 12:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Large body -> bassier sound. Probably noteworthy enough to go in the article. All about compromises in instrument design as smaller guitars may be louder. (Happy to be corrected on this BTW) Spenny 13:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumbo Guitar 

message: Removed the following, pending discussion. It had been removed earlier by another editor but reinstated by its author.
Reasons for removal: 
1)Material contains original research. e.g. "Many luthiers today apply this model in their work"
2)The material is not significant enough to merit inclusion. If article included all that was written about the instrument it would run to hundreds of volumes. This material is clearly information pushed by an interested party.
Yorgos Kertsopoulos, a Greek - Canadian luthier, guitarist and researcher found "The mathematic model of the Guitar" and his work was published in English and German by DAS MUSIKINSTRUMENT of Frankfurt in 1984, and in the Greek magazine Sound and Hi Fi in 1982. In this work he reveals in a scientific approach all the mathematic aspects and interrelations existing between all dimensions of the guitar connecting the tradition with science and revealing the genius of Antonio de Torres, as well as the fact that the Spanish Ramirez family of luthiers and the German luthier Hauser, were the only luthiers that had the knowledge of the mathematic model and used it with considerable success. These claims by the founder were verified by at the MUSIK MESSE held in Frankfurt in 1983, at the press conference given by Y.Kertsopoulos to the media. Many luthiers today apply this model in their work, since the founder gave it for free usage to be used by any luthier to make his work better for the sake of knowledge communication and artistic collaboration for the refinement of the guitar's sound.
RichardJ Christie 11:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  material removed 14 July 2007 

message: In the History secttion, there seem to be two paragraphs, back to back, the directly contradict one another. They read as follows:
:The modern word, guitar, was adopted into English from Spanish guitarra, derived from earlier Greek word kithara. Prospective sources for various names of musical instruments that guitar could be derived from appear to be a combination of two Indo-European roots: guit-, similar to Sanskrit sangeet meaning "music", and -tar a widely attested root meaning "chord" or "string".
:The word guitar is a Persian loanword to Iberian Arabic. The word qitara is an Arabic name for various members of the lute family that preceded the Western guitar. The name guitarra was introduced into Spanish when such instruments were brought into Iberia by the Moors after the 10th century.
Surely, they can't both be right? – ClockworkSoul 20:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very cool, but most people can't read Greek, so any examples of the language are probably best left in Latin characters. It's not "pure", I know, but it's more useful that way. That's another discussion all together, however. – ClockworkSoul 13:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The Spanish contribution is certainly acknowledged already, your photo reference can't seem to make its mind up as to whether the figurine is 2nd or 3rd millenium BC. RichardJ Christie 02:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You really ought to grow up and stop throwing insults around. No, I didn't supply that text but I did bother to check out your last dodgy reference. If you are sure of your facts, be brave enough to make the changes yourself, moaning here in the manner you have been so far won't encourage others to do it for you. RichardJ Christie 23:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No-one here is making nationalistic claims or playing the "race card" except you anonymous dude. Both Richard's edits and myself show no bias towards any country. Both Richard and myself have quoted sources to back our statements in the article. It is you who continue to engage in personal attacks and nationalist rhetoric. Whatever claims you want to make about yourself, it is almost impossible to verify considering you continue to edit anonymously, therefore it should be taken with a grain of salt. MegX 08:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Learn etiquette and sign you posts. MegX 08:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I am more interested in facts. I don't find anonymous cowards interesting at all quite frankly.  Susa was the capital of Elam. MegX 22:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "guitar" 

message: Removed following text from 'History': 
:"Guitar is invented by an iranian, Ziryab, and then brought to Spain."
The statement is not even supported by the wiki article cited. Ziryab is credited as making changes to the Oud, an instrument which evidence suggests have had strong influence on development of the guitar, but this doesn't justify the statement above. RichardJ Christie 04:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's historically incorrect that he came from Iran, considering Iran did not exist as a state at that time, and secondly I've seen other academic sources claiming he was born in Baghdad. See this Library of Congress article for example http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9615/morocco.html  MegX 06:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Engaging in name calling while all the while hiding behind an anonymous IP address. Such courage on your part, not. Please sign your posts. MegX 09:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So you have nothing to say other than waving your Iranian flag from an Australian IP address and accusing other editors of being racist even though Susa was the capital of Elam and nothing can change that. Get off your high horse. MegX 22:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ziryab 

message: The history section is full of omissions. How can you write on the history of the guitar without mentioning de Torez, Martin, Gibson, Fender, or Paul? I'll try to update this section once I get some sources together.
The early history of the guitar is much more coherent in the French version of the Wikipedia.  It says that there is evidence for guitar like instruments in and around Persia.  And that the word is an Aryan one, as in the people of Iran and Northern India, and consists of two words: Guit properly from a cognate of sangheet in modern Sanskrit, and tar meaning string, as in modern Persian.  The oud and the terminology surrounding it was taken to spain in the tenth century, where modern guitars had their start.  THis kicks arse over the pathetique and confusing bit in the English version.  Can someone translate that part and replace the English bit.
*You mean the French article originally translated the English one, which was subsequently updated to an neutral one replacing the nationalistic biases. MegX 08:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since my edits involved adding Roman, Moorish, and Spanish entries backed up with sources from reliable guitar references, your accusation holds no merit. MegX 09:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: And making personal attacks from behind unsigned anonymous posts is a sign of maturity? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. MegX 22:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Neutral point of view 08:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but, do you think a Guitar Hero Guitar section would fit in well...just a thought.   moggie man...i rule 23:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Hero 

message: I don't know that much about notation but two things trouble me with the range image 1) I have never seen someone use an octave lower treble clef when noting the open strings and 2) the highest note is what? different guitars have different number of frets and then there is artifictial harmonics, it seems to be refering to a 22 fret guitar without harmonics. P.S. I also can't find anything about "loco" could someone explain?
--AresAndEnyo 11:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range 

message: Hello,
I'd like the request that the current active editors please consider adding an external link to the website:
  http://www.power-chord.com/gaff/
I own this website and therefore, per Wikipedia policy, I am making the request here.
GAFF has been on the web for over 9 years.  It allows users to map scales, chords, and modes onto fretboards (up to 7 stings) in any tuning.  Several different file formats are supported, including PDF which allows for easy printing.
Over the years, 1000's of guitarists have found the site useful.  As you can see here, it is the best rated website in it's section of guitarnotes.com (based on 46 reviews):
  http://www.guitarnotes.com/links/instruction/chords_scalesR1.shtml
I sincerely believe that many of the readers of the Wikipedia Guitar page would find GAFF to be an interesting and useful site.
Thank you for your consideration.
Cryptoplex 17:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please consider adding an external link