Talk:Chai Ling

message: I've reverted changes made by 206.104.58.62 (IP address of Jenzabar, Inc SPRINTLINK). A user at the company run by Chai Ling herself and her husband deleted the whole article and replaced it with a text supposedly copied from the Harvard Business School Bulletin. That's vandalism - please stop. —Babelfisch 01:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anonymous IP registered with Jenzabar has vandalised the article once again. I've reverted the changes. If you want to contribute something, please do so in a way that makes sense. —Babelfisch 13:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same anonymous IP has once again deleted the link to the article about Jenzabar on the website of the documentary "Gate of Heavenly Peace" by Carma Hinton and Richard Gordon. I've once again re-inserted it. I've added a remark that this is not the company website. —Babelfisch 08:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted text / revert 

message: *Articles concerning Chai Ling on the website of the documentary "Gate of Heavenly Peace" by Carma Hinton and Richard Gordon:
** Steve Bailey: American Dream (The Boston Globe; August 8th, 2003)
** Daniel Lyons: Great story, bad business (Forbes; February 17th, 2003)
** Ye Ren: The Democracy Movement in Exile is Trapped by Communist Mentality - The Way out for the Overseas Democracy Movement (translation of two articles originally published in Chinese in July and August 1995 in the Hong Kong Magazine The Nineties)
** Patrick E. Tyler: 6 Years After the Tiananmen Massacre, Survivors Clash Anew on Tactics (New York Times; April 30th, 1995)
** James Bandler: Harvard Wars with Firm over Web Site Politics underlies spat on school ties (The Boston Globe, July 25th, 1999)
** Article on Jenzabar (link to company website below)
* Paul Judge: Chai Ling: From Tiananmen Leader to Entrepreneur (Business Week)
* Gary LaMoshi: Echoes of Tiananmen (Asia Times)
* Yvonne Abraham: Cashing in on Tiananmen (Boston Phoenix)
* Garry Emmons: Chai Ling - The meaning of freedom (Harvard Business School)
* Jenzabar - Chai Ling's company (official website)
Ling, Chai
Ling, Chai
category:Chinese dissidents
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Someone has posted: 
"She reportedly made a trip to China seeking business opportunities in 2005 intending to return and settle in China on seeing the "American Dream" is really financial disasters, bankruptcies, over 10% unemployment and families living in tents in public parks."
Can someone tell who posted this paragraph? Although I can't sustain that it is not true, at first glance it seems to be a fallacy and there is no citation to any source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mppf (talk • contribs) 05:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Anonymous user 206.104.58.62 (IP address allocated to Jenzabar, Inc, SPRINTLINK): Don't vandalise this discussion. See Wikipedia guidelines on Behavior that is unacceptable on talk pages. —Babelfisch 06:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I have removed material from  that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
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thread_title:  Unsourced materials removed 

message: The new addition to the article  contains markers [1] and [2] which seems to refer to sources. If these are not mentioned, the statemants inkluding Chai Ling quotes are not sourced all the same, and the material should be removed. / habj (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New, unsourced (?) material 

message: The article is more like a marketing page for Chai Ling. This is surely a misuse of Wikipedia. 86.178.73.202 (talk) 18:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chai Ling marketing page? 

message: Why has the article been re-written to leave out a large chunk of her life? Surely she was famous for the deaths in Tiananmen Square ref: June 4 1989, and the article should cover this is some details, which it used to do but has now been sanitised (by Chai Ling?). 86.176.48.180 (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Was she actually there at the Square on the night of the final crackdown? I actually would like to know if she was there and hard to find information on that. The current article is somewhat vague and doesn't specify on whether she stayed or escaped the square early like she did last time. Note that a verified video had showed that Chai Ling confessed that she was hoping or aiming for a massacre at the square, but didn't want to tell the students that. A twisted person who was prepared to use others as sacrificing tools towards their deaths and lie to them about it, isn't someone of integrity. So arguably she is not a reliable source. Meanwhile Hou Dejian and student leader Liu Xiaobo were actually verified to be there, and both said they saw no massacre in the square. They had no reason to lie, especially Liu Xiaobo considering how much he hated China so no reason why he would lie just to help China. I suggest that the article should make it clear on whether she was actually there or not. But not relying completely on her word for everything as it currently is.49.186.80.191 (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why have large chunks of her life been left out in article? 

message: === Chai Ling ===
(discussion moved from Off2riorob's talk)
Hello
I wish to restore the content that was removed on the Chai Ling article by user Scott McDonald- notably her Christian testimony and information about the All Girls Allowed (AGA) initative. The reason given for their removal was that they were not encyclopeic- yet both were referenced, and supported by the AGA website. Chai Ling's testimony also appears on the China Aid site here:
http://www.chinaaid.org/downloads/sb_chinaaid/ChaiLingstestimony6_13_2010.pdf
I do not understand why you claim I have violated copyright laws? The information is factual and from another open public forum, and I would have thought it would be useful to anyone visiting Chai Ling's page. Please could you explain in simple language what I would need to do in order to satisfy your requirements (I am new to wikipedia and I don't understand all the jargon!)Aurora07 (talk)
:Hi, thanks for discussing. one issue is that it is a cut and copy exact of the website that has a copyright notice at the bottom. Another is that it is far to much content about that and is all cited to her own website, there is no independent report of it in a national publication. To be honest, it is not worthy of note in a wikipedia BLP, it is in the article when she was become a Christian, possibly if you want to summarize the issue in a couple of lines then it could be ok cited to that website but imo more than that is undue coverage of a not notable issue. If you are unhappy with this position I will ask another user or an Administrator to look at it for you, regards. I am watching this talkpage and if you reply here I will reply, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiipedia notability is established by independent quality publications writing about a person and then we report about those reports. Yes, write a small summary of her religious experience...please keep it to the bones as they say and we can look at adding it. The article has a few watchers now and the slanderous comment should not get back in now, thank you for that. I have left Scitt McDonald a note to ask his opinion to your comments also. We can also look at a reduced and rewritten small section about the AGA, but please remember we need to be careful not to create a self promotional article with excessive promotional content supported by the subjects own websites. What we really want is independent reports talking about her, not her talking about herself, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

text: ok, I've tried to write a brief and balanced summary with links to appropriate sources. I may add the odd line over time but will make sure that it is clearly referenced if I do. Aurora07 (talk) 00:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  religion and AGA 

message: (discussion moved from Off2riorob's talk)
Hello
I wish to restore the content that was removed on the Chai Ling article by user Scott McDonald- notably her Christian testimony and information about the All Girls Allowed (AGA) initative. The reason given for their removal was that they were not encyclopeic- yet both were referenced, and supported by the AGA website. Chai Ling's testimony also appears on the China Aid site here:
http://www.chinaaid.org/downloads/sb_chinaaid/ChaiLingstestimony6_13_2010.pdf
I do not understand why you claim I have violated copyright laws? The information is factual and from another open public forum, and I would have thought it would be useful to anyone visiting Chai Ling's page. Please could you explain in simple language what I would need to do in order to satisfy your requirements (I am new to wikipedia and I don't understand all the jargon!)Aurora07 (talk)
:Hi, thanks for discussing. one issue is that it is a cut and copy exact of the website that has a copyright notice at the bottom. Another is that it is far to much content about that and is all cited to her own website, there is no independent report of it in a national publication. To be honest, it is not worthy of note in a wikipedia BLP, it is in the article when she was become a Christian, possibly if you want to summarize the issue in a couple of lines then it could be ok cited to that website but imo more than that is undue coverage of a not notable issue. If you are unhappy with this position I will ask another user or an Administrator to look at it for you, regards. I am watching this talkpage and if you reply here I will reply, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiipedia notability is established by independent quality publications writing about a person and then we report about those reports. Yes, write a small summary of her religious experience...please keep it to the bones as they say and we can look at adding it. The article has a few watchers now and the slanderous comment should not get back in now, thank you for that. I have left Scitt McDonald a note to ask his opinion to your comments also. We can also look at a reduced and rewritten small section about the AGA, but please remember we need to be careful not to create a self promotional article with excessive promotional content supported by the subjects own websites. What we really want is independent reports talking about her, not her talking about herself, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

text: ok, I've tried to write a brief and balanced summary with links to appropriate sources. I may add the odd line over time but will make sure that it is clearly referenced if I do. Aurora07 (talk) 00:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chai Ling 

message: I'm surprised no one from Jenzabar (the company) has created a company page.  It is odd that I got redirected to this page when I was trying to find out about the company and its products.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.112.206.6 (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software/ERP/Database company? 

message: I made a bunch of edits to the article to remove hagiographic elements and cut down on bloat (such as stating her entire educational history twice or details of how and where Chai got baptized).  I also removed elements that could only be verified by her autobiography (2x Nobel Peace Prize nomination) since that doesn't adhere to wiki:BLP.  Please discuss these changes here before reverting them back.  Thank you.
Lostromantic (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantial edits 

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