Talk:Uncle Tom

message: As example? https://www.tiff.net/the-review/uncle-tom-is-dead/
https://www.rogerogreen.com/2015/10/21/uncle-ben-carson-as-uncle-tom/
2607:F2C0:E006:34:B103:D3D1:C6F0:DE87 (talk) 21:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncle Ben's Rice

message: The definition for Oreo is not the one that I've heard when I was growing up. I remember it as being someone with a white and black parent. It was still derogatory, but I think the definition is wrong. Anyone else have input? 128.193.44.196 (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Growing up in South Africa some people were given the label "coconut" - black on the outside, white on the inside - maybe "oreo" is a similar label? --Totorotroll (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: <Sigh!> … this gets bounced back & forth every few months … an editor adds it, and then Some Other Editor removes it … I've lost track. :-) Happy Editing! —  16:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oreo

message: Hey guys, I was wondering if it was worth putting in something about many people accused of being Uncle Toms based on views that simply aren't in line with the majority of the black race, rather than actually being against the race. For instance, some called Bill Cosby an Uncle Tom because he said black parents were not doing enough. In this day and age, such accusations of "Tomming" are quite frequent and I thought it would be worth a mention.--Zoso Jade 20:36, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
:Ignorant or offended people say lots of things.  That doesn't mean they merit mention in a Wikipedia article.  IMO, Cosby's right on time. deeceevoice 18:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair/ Unfair Accusations

message: If I may chime in, I also feel that simply disagreeing with the majority is commonly thought of as tomming and is based on the ignorance of people who would label Cosby or Clarence Thomas as Uncle Tom's.  It may be nice to mention that simply being a black conservative with strict family values does not make you an oreo.  Not every African-American wants to hear 50-cent and put down Bush all day.  Secondly, as a Microbiologist and skeptic of Urban Legend I conducted a little research time and effort to the ground glass myth as well.  I have asked a surgeon friend who works at Harborview in Seattle and have also thought about the effects on stomach lining and intestinal tissue and it is our belief that consuming ground glass (fine enough to avoid detection) is completely harmless.  The slave may have felt he or she was poisoning but it is far more likely that coincidental death due to stomach cancer etc. would have perpetuated a myth amongst the black community.  It is in fact very much like eating sand and I'd invite a person with doubts to really think about the damage that fine powdered silica (inert in the human body) would have on cells in the GI tract.  Because slave historians have encountered reports of its occurence does not make it a valid way of killing someone.  Just my two cents, I won't edit the page.  I'll leave it up to the community as it is a very SMALL but interesting point. J Shultz 02:02, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just one minute.  The majority of African-Americans are socially (not politically) conservative and continue to have strict family values.  The schism generally is among older African Americans and some youth.  And, I beg to differ.  Hell, most African-Americans get a kick out of anybody putting down Bush, any day, anytime, anywhere.  And, no.  The fact is being a black political conservative in the black community generally does -- rightly or wrongly -- make you an oreo.  You're considered a Quizling. And dat's the troof, roof. :p deeceevoice 16:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disagreeing 

message: Can any sources be provided that support the assertion that 'Tomming' was often a practice of resistance?  While I agree with User:Deeceevoice that Wikipedia has multiple systemic biases and sympathise with the aim to "set the record straight on race", I'm afraid that this section simply reads like speculation at the moment.  It really does need some explicitly-referenced verifiable content. TSP 15:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That section looks like a WP:NOR violation ... I've moved it further down in the article. —141.156.241.54 00:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The practice of covert resistance" 

message: This article doesn't do a very good job of explaining the diff between Oreo (+ equivalent terms) and Uncle Tom. The Oreo article does so somewhat better. The kind of people these terms were used to describe are rather diff... Nil Einne 15:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up the section "Other terms with the same meaning" and removed the Mounds and cocoanut references, as well as Twinkie, bananna, and apple ... that article Food metaphors for race does a sufficient job, and it was getting a little off-target ... this is a very America-centric term (not British or French), and specific to African Americans, not Asian Americans or Latino Americans. --72.75.105.165 11:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: As I was editing, I got interrupted in the reorganization of that section ... it seemed that Uncle Tomahawk belonged closer to the top, and it made sense to keep cocoanut after some other text was removed ... the order still does not feel quite right, but I'm starting to get sloppy, so that's all I'll do for now. I still think that Mau-Mauing thing is unique to British Colonials, but I won't take responsibility for removing it. --72.75.105.165 12:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oreo etc 

message: This is the second time that I have reverted this list ... please read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material, and most of these are "poorly sourced" (and I'm not just talking about the editor's failure to use  templates, BTW) as they are simply blogs or other editorial essays, and not Hard News, i.e., they are the opinions of the writer, not verifiable reports of the accusation, e.g., when Belafonte called Colin and Condi "White House niggers"  ... even if a few of the references provided came from reliable sources, the very idea of such a list violates neutral point of view ... note that the Three-revert rule does not apply to such reverts, so please stop, or else I will have to notify an administrator of this situation. — 05:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: has restored the list again, this time without the blog citations ... but it's still a Bad Idea that violates WP:BLP, so I'm reverting it again. --72.75.85.159 03:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  People accused of being an Uncle Tom 

message: Not satisfied with being unable to make "improvements" to this article, Hoponpop69 added a wikilink for Uncle Tom to the Carlton Banks article the other day so that they could then add Carlton's photograph to this article ... OTOH, they did not do a very good job of providing a proper wikilink to the character, so I have fixed it (List of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air characters#Carlton Banks instead of Carlton Banks, which is an incomplete redirect to just the list, not the character in the list) ... if some other editor thinks that the photo does not belong, then feel free to remove it, because I (for one) really do not have time for these kinds of ego trips from editors who refuse to discuss controversial edits (see above) ... since it's about a fictional character and not a living person, I really don't care one way or the other, but if you're going to do something like this, at least do it the correct way. --Dennette 01:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air characters#Carlton Banks|Carlton Banks]] 

message: There should be some discussion as to whether the term itself is racist and why or why not.
I agree.  In my personal opinion, it is a racial slur and an offensive one at that.--74.74.110.50 16:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist Term 

message: Winfred Blevins, in his Dictionary of the American West (various publishers and editions) cites the term "Uncle Tomahawk" as a term for an Amerindian displaying the same outlook as an Uncle Tom negro, and cites it as an extension of that original term.
TJ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tanyajane (talk • contribs) 00:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wonder if we could include the term "Twinkie", which I've seen used as a derogative term for asians who act the same way (yellow on the outside, white on the inside). I can only come up with one third party usage at the moment though, in the movie Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. --Ifrit (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle Tomahawk 

message: I have deleted the Notable controversial users section per WP:BLP and WP:SYN.  Substantial parts of the section were unreferenced, and most of what was referenced simply documented the use of the term (in one case only allegedly).  In only one instance was controversy established through multiple independent sources.  One instance isn't enough to sustain an entire section, nor did it have significance beyond a brief news event.  Probably deletable outright per BLP, and if not then belongs in the individual biographies rather than here. DurovaCharge! 02:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good … it was starting to get kinda off topic. :-) Happy Editing! —  18:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. DurovaCharge! 22:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted section 

message: The problem I have with this rewrite is that it focusses almost entirely on the literary origins of the character and says almost nothing about the actual meaning of the term in modern discourse. I think that needs to be addressed. Gatoclass (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means expand it more.  When I started it was one paragraph of content followed by a laundry list of BLP violations.  For two years people had tried to remove the BLP violations, but they kept getting reinstated and converted into WP:SYNTH violations.  That landry list took up most of the article (such as it was), so the only feasible way to move forward was to undertake a major expansion.  This is where the sources that were readily available went.  If you'd like to bring in more sources, please do. DurovaCharge! 17:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: In the novel, Uncle Tom's master, Simon Legree, is from the North.  This was an important point to Stowe: she was trying to point out that the North as well as the South bore the moral guilt for slavery, and Tom's Christianity is superior not merely to that of Southern slaveowners but also to that of Northerners who countenanced and encouraged slavery or, like Legree, actually came south to practice it themselves. Pirate Dan (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing "white Southern slaveowners" to "white slaveowners" 

message: HUGE problem with the line about James Weldon Johnson's opinion on the book. The quote does NOT come from Johnson's autobiography Along This Way. Rather, it comes from his fictional book The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man. The book is absolutely not autobiographical in any way, and its narrator actually expresses a few views that were contrary to Johnson's own. Even the wiki page on the book, which is otherwise completely appalling, could tell you that.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_an_Ex-Colored_Man 192.246.233.118 (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's in error the mistake was unintentional.  Feel free to correct it; this is a wiki. Durova357 03:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Weldon Johnson's opinion 

message: I know Michael Steele is often called an Uncle Tom, but why is he in the "see also" section. Doesnt seem very NPOV TylerRDavis (talk) 06:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Steele

message: Under 'notes' there are currently two references, one being 'Mohammad Ali (2009). Thrilla in Manilla (Documentary). USA: HBO.'  Is this cited at all in the text?  I'm just wondering how it's relevant. --Genya Avocado (talk) 05:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohammad Ali documentary? 

message: Several incidents from text that show slavery was barbaric and life threatening 103.242.199.189 (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle Tom cabin