Talk:Fosbury flop

message: I'm not sure the truth of these statements is 'essentially indisputable'. Fosbury did not invent the style of jump although he popularised it. This from the official Olympic  Website backs up my contention...."unbeknownst to Fosbury, the first person to use the flop technique was actually a jumper from Montana named Bruce Quande, who was photographed flopping over a bar in 1963". Please note, I'm not saying he deliberately made false claims, merely that he wasn't actually the originator.
Factual error?  Not really!!
Can anyone find any proof at all, such as an actual copy of the photo showing Bruce Quande going backwards over the bar in 1963?  My guess, Quande may simply be an urban myth, and the jump and photo may never have occurred.  Without that evidence, it's clear that Fosbury alone should be the acknowledged originator of the technique that bears his name.
: What about this? (First google image search for "Bruce Quande high jump") Jeff (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does not currently claim Fosbury was the first.  Indisputable is he was the first one to win an Olympic Gold medal with the technique and thus was responsible for popularizing it and thus the spread of the technique over the next few years. Trackinfo (talk) 08:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual error 

message: Just wondering why curving over the bar backwards is better than doing it facing down. Isn't the back more flexible forwards? I'm sure there will be a good reason, so adding that info may improve the article. EdX20 03:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the Rocketsci55 entry at the top of the page to learn why the Flop is better than the forward roll.  On the other hand, the Fosbury Flop apparently requires a better padding. I remember seeing a big poster in the Winter Stadium in St. Petersburg (then Leningrad) Russia in the early 70's: "Because of the risk of injury, the execution of Fosbury Flop is strictly prohibited".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.132.52.103 (talk) 18:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The dive straddle is already an exaggerated forward roll. Flanker235 (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back vs front facing down 

message: 1 link removed - TV advertisment footage - No clear indication from clip information/ uploader profile , that uploader has rights to the footage or is associated with the advertiser or production entities responsible for the footage Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  You tube link removed. 

message: I had the great pleasure of attending a seminar presentation by Dick Fosbury on 13th May in Glasgow, Scotland. He showed us old home movies from the early '60s (very high quality) showing him and his team mates high jumping and hurdling. Most interesting to me was that the technique came before the deep foam matting was widely available. There were a number of shots of him landing on deep piles of wood shavings. Dick told us that they always tried to take a pitchfork to the pile to fluff it up and soften it!
He was working with a hurdles coach but was one of the worst in the squad (with more footage to prove it). The coach let him do all of his strength and fitness training with the hurdles squad but left him alone to develop his weird high jump technique.
As an engineer he can appreciate how the physics of the jump works, but he developed it instinctively and not completely efficiently. Dick's recollection of the curved approach so fundamental to the technique is hazy but he reckons that it may even have been to do with the way the other kids queued up to perform the scissors jump!
At the end of the evening Dick handed round his medal from Mexico and let us all hold an Olympic gold medal while he spoke about it. It looks very shiny but has been re-plated recently. A cool guy indeed.
SlipperyJim (talk) 15:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, my problem was I could never get the flop to work for me.  So I changed to the Western Roll, which disappointed me.  My performance improved nevertheless, but it was my senior year in HS.  --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE 14:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development of the Technique by Dick Fosbury 

message: As far as I found out, the first athlet who used the flop in championships was the Austrian athlet Fritz Pingl. He became Austrian high-jump champion in 1957, using the flop technique. For details, see page 6. But as Austrian athlets were not among the worlds strongest (Pingl reached just 1,97 m), that technique became not popular so early.--77.119.129.225 (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who invented the technique? 

message: I would dispute this comment:
:::"The approach (or run-up) in the Flop style of high jump is characterized by (at least) the final four or five steps being run in a curve, allowing the athlete to lean into his or her turn, away from the bar. This allows the center of gravity to be lowered even before knee flexion, giving a longer time period for the take-off thrust."
If we are going to talk in relative terms - and the use of the word "longer" implies that we are - then there has to be some sort of exact comparison made. There are studies which have shown that the flop take off involves a much shorter contact time for the take off foot than for other styles like the straddle. The transition phase of the jump - i.e.: the part where the hips go from their lowest position, usually in the second last stride - is a longer transition in the flop. That may contribute to improved efficiency by partially unloading the take off leg but that is not where the thrust comes from. It comes only from the take off leg. The take off is a principal point of divergence from earlier techniques because it is a speed technique. Power equals strength time speed. A straddle approach is slower but relies on greater strength. A flop take off requires greater speed but puts a lesser premium on strength to achieve basically the same result. Since Wiki doesn't allow original research, I would refer to a number of different articles which can be found with a little searching.
https://ojs.ub.uni-konstanz.de/cpa/article/view/657/580
www.indiana.edu/~sportbm/p391-presentations/hjevo-isbs.ppt
http://journals.humankinetics.com/AcuCustom/Sitename/Documents/DocumentItem/10515.pdf
Still looking for something which is specific on foot contact times. It's out there but I'll have to find it. Flanker235 (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Take off 

message: While in flight the athlete can progressively arch shoulders, back and legs in a rolling motion, keeping as much of the body as possible below the bar. It is possible for the athlete to clear the bar while his or her body's center of mass remains as much as 20 cm below it.[2]
Regardless of the fact that it is cited, this claim is simply impossible. No biomechanist would back it up. I refer you to the articles by Dr Jesus Dapena, University of Indiana, Dept of Kinesiology who explains in this video, that the C of G could theoretically pass under the bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reI165sqh-I That is nothing like the claim made in the article which is, at best, sensationalist and at worst, simply wrong. Flanker235 (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  This claim is absurd 

message: As with the general article on the high jump, this reference to elite athletes is pointless. Before Fosbury, everyone used the straddle, whether elite or not. It's an irrelevance and ought to be removed. Flanker235 (talk) 00:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless reference to elite jumpers. 

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