Talk:Zachris Topelius

message: It is a big joke to claim that Zacharias Topelius was Finland-Swedish. He was a prominent Fennoman
213.243.157.114 02:08, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your opinion is somewhat unique. :-) /Tuomas 00:08, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe quite a lot of proiminent Fennomans were swedish-speakers, and hence Finland-Swedes since the term really means "Swedish-speaking Finlanders". // Habj 19:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: I wonder what statsråd means in context. In Sweden of today, it pretty much equals a minister in the government - but this is 19th century Finland, and I suppose it means something else - maybe some honorary title? (mentioning of him being appointed statsråd in Nordisk familjebok ). // Habj 19:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Verkligt statsråd" is the usual Swedish form of a Russian honorary title. I don't know if it had any basis in any actual position. u◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 20:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great! The problem is then what it should be called in English... I'll try to add a few words and see if that makes things more clear. // Habj 00:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to SAOB (here), the Russian form is dejstvitel' nyj statskij sovetnik. I would assume an established English translation already exists from back when these titles were real and important. Ask one of the Russians (like Mikkalai or Ghirlandajo) if they know this. u◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 05:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: One link should be proof that 'Zachris' is the real name. 
To show the opposite: Finnish National library has 556 book-hits under the name 'Zacharias', only 10 under 'Zachris' (meaning that most books have Zacharias printed on it). The German Library in Helsinki has 98 books, only 1 under 'Zachris'. Google has , only 4,330 hits for 'Zachris', compared to 36.500 hits for 'Zacharias'. Biographies at kirjasto, official website of city Helsinki and many others name him 'Zacharias', many don't even mention the alternative version 'Zachris' while mentioning a few others like 'Sakari'. And if you go shopping at e.g. Amazon, you get for 'Zacharias' 159 book hits and a few in other categories. 'Zachris' brings only 71 books and nothing in other categories.
It is obvious that 'Zacharias' is much more used, widespread, and therefor I request that the article will be moved back. -- Cecil (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, one library will maybe (please provide like to the official announcement) change the name in only their catalog despite different print on the books themselves (or are the planing to also overpaint it on the books?). The WP naming conventions still request to use the common name, and that is clearly 'Zacharias'. Maybe in a few years they have success with their plan (which I doubt since the books all have a different name on the cover), but now the common name is still Zacharias and not Zachris, especially in the non-finish-speaking world. -- Cecil (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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