Wikipedia talk:Graphics Lab/Archive 1

message: Hello. At WP:WPTC we use some custom software to generate hurricane track maps that could be useful for you. The software used is Jdorje's track map generator, and uses :Image:Whole world - land and oceans.jpg as the background. However, for world maps, you could also use any of the NASA Blue Marble maps, particularly the Blue Marble Next Generation backgrounds. I'm not really sure if that helps or not, but you may be interested in knowing... Titoxd(?!?) 05:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World maps for the [[Wikipedia:Graphic Lab]] 

message: This page is only for maintenance, showing the skeleton of this Graphic project.
*Wikipedia:Graphic Lab	
=> Main Page                                              	
=> Main Page
:*Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Maps	=> Coming soon. Place to ask maps creation or improvement  	=> Sous-pages spécifiques aux demandes de travaux
:*Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images to improve	=> Coming soon. Place to ask Images creation or improvement	=> Sous-pages spécifiques aux demandes de travaux
::*Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images to improve/Proposition	=> Coming soon. Template to request improvement.           	=> Sous-pages spécifiques aux demandes de travaux
::*Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images à améliorer/Archives
:::*etc.	=> Archives                                                	=> Sous-pages spécifiques aux demandes de travaux
:* Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Protocoles
:* Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Graphic Village
:* Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Softwares	=> Helps pages                                             	=> Helps pages
:*Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Project map	=> This page                                               	=> This page
*Common Graphic Village Pump	=> Place where all the graphist teams talk about graphism. 	=> Place where all the graphist teams talk about graphism.
*	=> Template that adds image to :Category:Images for cleanup	=> used templates
*	=> Template that adds image to :Category:Images for redraw 	=> used templates
*	=> To use on commons. Template stamping improved images    	=> used templates
*
*	=> Template / User box for Wikigraphists :]                	=> used templates
*	=> Basics helps                                            	=> used templates
* &	=>  /                                                      	=> used templates
:fr:Wikipedia:Atelier graphique/Arborescence
;I named the workshop "Graphic Lab", but several other name could be better :
Name :
* French : Atelier Graphique
Proposed English names :
* Graphics Workshop : [add your signature here to vote]
* Graphics Lab : Yug, YK Times
* Graphics Desktop : 
* Graphics Studio : Man vyi, Bastiq▼e, Wgsimon
Please vote, and feel free to rename the 3 pages ( Main | Maps | Images ).
Yug (talk) 10:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skeleton 

message: What is the protocol for addressing fair use images (such as logos)? The image can't be used outside article namespace so posting the image here would violate WP:FUC. I have a university seal that I want the background removed so its on a transparent background.--NMajdan•talk 14:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can clean up it, but it will stay on wiki-en. We are not allow to share it with others wikis. Yug (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that, but logos are not permitted anywhere outside of the article. I'll just post a link to the file. Thanks.--NMajdan•talk 18:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use images 

message: I recently discovered this image :Image:Smoked gruyere.gif which contains some vandalism of sorts. It is now listed at Images for Deletion. User:BigDT said they have seen this done before. Is there a way that an animated gif/image can be checked to see what the coding for it is? MY thought is that someone could download/save the image, load it into a program and see what the loops contain. Are GIFs the only file format that can do animation? Once it was determined the file wasn't an animated GIF, or the animation doesn't display anything bad, it could be tagged by the checker that it was animation free, or animation-safe. Someone could put a delay of like 30 seconds, or 60, or 300 and so most people may not see it, but it would showup in the article (if used) which would be bad. Any thoughts or ideas of how to check these files is appreciated. Thanks. --MECU≈talk 15:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just open the image in the GIMP, Photoshop or any other image editor; in most programs the animation frames will show up as layers.  And yes, of the image formats allowed on Wikipedia, only GIF files can be animated like this.  Ogg files can of course also contain animation, but they don't even pretend to be "just images".  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 18:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Graphic Expertise 

message: Whenever possible, it would be nice to make a language-neutral version of the diagrams. Using labels with numbers or letters, the pictures can be easily used on all Wiki. This informal guideline is more or less followed on the :fr version of the graphic lab (at least I try to encourage people to do so). For example : 
Image:Little Boy internal diagram.svg
Image:Synapse diag3.png
Thanks for reading this, Dake 10:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multilanguage version of the pictures 

message: The page is getting exceedingly large (1.64 MB right now). We should start archiving some of the older, fulfilled requests. — Kieff 18:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really like the fact that the page gives many examples of what the people involved have the skill and willingness to help out with.  I think it helps invite people to use the Graphic Lab more.  So if practical concerns are important, hopefully sections won't be archived too quickly, and hopefully the archive can be prominently linked to.  --Interiot 18:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to start archiving? 

message: Your project is taking cruddy images  and making them not only worse  but totally unsuitable for Wikipedia. The 'improved' image is a factually inaccurate fabrication (it misrepresents the shape of the right side of the camera).  The same 'Wikigraphist' has made many other unacceptable changes as a part of your project. Please stop. Such edits are a nuisance to check and clean up. --Gmaxwell 04:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP! 

message: Hi there. WikiProject Albums has run across an excessive number of redundant placeholder 'no image available' graphics, and we have already started the deletion process for many of them. I'm personally dealing with the ones that are not relevant to the albums project — in fact, there are a great deal that run at cross-purposes — and I've decided to consult some people in order to decide which to delete and which to keep.
Graphic                                                                                    	Dimensions        	Apparent purpose                                                                                                                                                                 	Notes (major problems in bold)
:Image:No-image-available.jpg                                                              	315×475           	Book covers, according to how uploader User:Tony Sandel uses it on his own userpage.                                                                                             	Currently unused, and .jpg format. However, it looks better than the alternatives.
:Image:NoBookCoverImage.jpg                                                                	250×350           	Book covers. Already used in , though apparently not currently showing in any articles.                                                                   	.jpg format. Dimensions are possibly better than the above, but doesn't look as good.
:Image:NoImage.PNG                                                                         	500×200           	Apparently currency and ferry infoboxes; integrated into , , , and , though not integrated into .	Looks like it has a specific purpose, and serves it well.
:Image:NoImageAvailable.jpg                                                                	100×100           	Albums, in the one article it's used in. Actually, this is an example of what we're deleting already.                                                                            	Not useful.
:Image:NoImageYetSquare.png                                                                	78×78             	"A placeholder for a requested image". One of three images at :Image:No image yet.                                                                                               	Too small, maybe. Used moderately.
:Image:NoImageYetRectFramed.png                                                            	108×80            	Derived from the above, only framed and different dimensions?                                                                                                                    	Used in one article, where it's scaled horribly.
:Image:No image.gif                                                                        	90×90             	Generic.                                                                                                                                                                         	Only used in a few articles.
:Image:NO IMAGE YET.png                                                                    	173×21            	"A placeholder for a requested image". One of three images at :Image:No image yet.                                                                                               	Currently unused.
:Image:NO IMAGE YET square.png                                                             	77×78             	"A placeholder for a requested image". One of three images at :Image:No image yet.                                                                                               	Too small, maybe. Used moderately.
:Image:Noimage.jpg                                                                         	200×200           	For some reason, this is used in , the talk page template for WikiProject Australia, when the "sports" flag is set to "yes". Also a few other random articles.   	.jpg format.
:Image:Noimage.png, :Image:No image.png, :Image:No image tall.svg, :Image:No image wide.svg	1×1, 1×1, 1×8, 8×1	The last three are copyright-ineligible Commons images, and the first is an en-wiki copy of the second. The first is an en-wiki copy of the second.                              	Widely used except for No image tall, which is not used at en-wiki.
:Image:Noimagechar.png                                                                     	190×350           	Not used, so don't know.                                                                                                                                                         	Currently unused.
:Image:Nopic.jpg                                                                           	371×267           	Obsolete, as it has been replaced by the below.                                                                                                                                  	Currently unused, .jpg format.
:Image:Noimg.png                                                                           	400×300           	Despite being a .png replacement of the above, still unused.                                                                                                                     	Currently unused.
:Image:Noimage.gif                                                                         	130×180           	DVD covers.                                                                                                                                                                      	Used in two articles. There are three of these; we only need one.
:Image:NoDVDcover.jpg                                                                      	200×280           	DVD covers.                                                                                                                                                                      	.jpg format. There are three of these; we only need one.
:Image:NoDVDcover copy.png                                                                 	174×195           	DVD covers.                                                                                                                                                                      	There are three of these; we only need one. This is probably the best option.
:Image:No Photo.jpg                                                                        	276×287           	Biographies.                                                                                                                                                                     	Currently unused. .jpg format. Poor quality.
:Image:No Pic.JPG                                                                          	263×229           	Biographies?                                                                                                                                                                     	Currently unused. .jpg format. Poor quality.
Seems that there's a need to decide on a book cover placeholder, a DVD cover placeholder, and a generic placeholder with width=height. The ones that aren't deleted can get categorized properly at :Category:Wikipedia image placeholders. –Unint 20:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass deletion for 'no image available' graphics 

message: I finished off the redraw template, . It is now available to use, and all images that it is placed on add the image to :Category:Images for redraw. Any other requests/comments/questions can be redirected to my talk page. -YK Times 01:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redraw template 

message: Hello, I found something such this in wikipedia fr. I think that can be interesting to try this way. On the french Graphic lab, we tryed it but that wasn't conclusive. You may try something, but If that become confusing for new user, harder to understand and to use, then forget this way.
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type=create
preload=Template:graphicrequestsubst
default=Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images_to_improve
buttonlabel=Request a Graphic Improvement
bgcolor=#eeeeff
width=70
----
This will need huge wiki knowledge and tests.
Yug (talk) 19:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about using the new section creation with the template init such as what we have on :fr ? Dake 10:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personnaly, I never find out how you did it on the french Lab. Yug (talk)] 00:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I have made one that works and placed it on the request page. Pages must be moved manually from :Category:Image requests to be listed to the request page though.  If it isn't working properly, please notify me. -YK Times 03:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request form 

message: I like your pictures and i find your work very usefull. Thank You very much! Karmelatalk 10:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank You 

message: I was wondering if any of the WikiGraphists on here monitored :Category:Images which should be in SVG format. Seems there are quite a few images there that could be converted, moved to Commons, and deleted here. Just a suggestion.↔NMajdan•talk 18:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, there's a lot of images there. I will post a message at that Category linking to the Graphic Lab, as well as start bringing some of them into the request for improvement page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by YK Times (talk • contribs) 01:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convert to SVG category 

message: Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals is considering a new Barnstar to be given to people who make great combined contributions to Wikipedia articles and the Commons free-use image collection.  Please come by and state your views. Thanks, Johntex\talk 15:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a request has been made for the image to be improved.  Could someone here please take a look and see if you could produce a similar image that is higher in quality?  Thanks very much. Johntex\talk 19:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar discussion 

message: I noticed that the request titled "Translation from french of a diagram" was archived by Werdnabot; before I archive this page to the correct month, I was wondering if it is a fulfilled request, or still in progress? If it is, I will move it back ASAP. Thx. -YK Times 01:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation from french of a diagram 

message: My request for this image has been done. You may delete the request. LittlePete 20:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urnaelettorale.svg 

message: Hi, all. I just made a request, and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do anything else. The request isn't appearing on the main page, for example. It's here: . Sorry if I did something wrong. — Brian (talk) 10:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the delay Brian. You didn't do anything wrong, its just me; for requests submitted through the input box, they need to be manually moved to the main request page. You can keep checking there to see the progress on your image. Thanks for using the Graphic Lab, and sorry for the inconvenience. -YK Times 23:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, thanks. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing an important step or something. Thanks again. — Brian (talk) 05:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Hello, I think the old and archaic system of Copy/Past the "Request form" is more : 1/ convenient ; 2/ easely understandable, that the current submition system. I think the test show its complexity, but not its efficiency or conveniency. I encourage go back to the old, archaic, but simple and efficient as well system (see here). Yug (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  There is a moderate backlog, stretching over several days.  Why is a request queue necessary, instead of requesters simply putting their items onto the list a la featured content nominations?--ragesoss 20:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this was partially my idea, following up on this one. I think it can be filed under the category of "seemed like a good idea at the time". The backlog usually isn't too bad, but it does pile up some days, is a bit of a pain. I sort of modeled the system after another request system (from somewhere else in Wikipedia, I think it was for blocks or something), but you're right, it is very complex. If no one is against it, I think we should removed to submission form from the request page. -YK Times 17:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made request; now what? 

message: For chemistry images, all requests should be forwarded to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Image Request, where expert chemists will collaborate to make sure images are accurate and conform to WP:CHEMS's style guidlines.
Ben 13:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemistry images 

message: I was just looking at this talk page, and realized that its getting a little cluttered; we already archive requests from the request page so that it doesn't get cluttered. I was thinking that maybe we could start archiving the talk page too? Just a suggestion. -YK Times 18:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also encourage it. Some section may need to be keep here. Yug (talk) 01:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk Page Archive 

message: It might not be much use, but I have created a template to go on an Image Page, to say that it is or was processed by the Graphics Lab. it looks like this:
...and it can be implemented like this:  
For the moment it is in my User Space. The Template displays a preview of the 'new' image (see :Image:HRWalkway-01.jpg for a demonstration) if the template is used in the Image Namespace. Is it useful (at all)? --Dave the Rave (DTR) 18:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		I, Valentinian, hereby award the Graphical Designer Barnstar to the contributors of Wikipedia:Graphic Lab for their tireless work in improving the quality of Wikipedia's images. Keep up the excellent work. Valentinian T / C 19:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar 

message: The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		I, Valentinian, hereby award the Graphical Designer Barnstar to the contributors of Wikipedia:Graphic Lab for their tireless work in improving the quality of Wikipedia's images. Keep up the excellent work. Valentinian T / C 19:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar 

message: -for superb and dedicated support in preserving and improving Scouting images.Rlevse 12:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting barnstar 

message: -for superb and dedicated support in preserving and improving Scouting images.Rlevse 12:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting barnstar 

message: We don't seem to have a protocols in place for wikigraphists. Do we have a plan to put some in place?--Cronholm144 01:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen any moves in that direction. The Graphics Lab is pretty informal and people just work on the things that interest them. While that isn't particularly reassuring to people looking for help, it probably helps keep the volunteers from burning out and leaving out of frustration. Mike Dillon 23:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protocol 

message: We don't seem to have a protocols in place for wikigraphists. Do we have a plan to put some in place?--Cronholm144 01:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen any moves in that direction. The Graphics Lab is pretty informal and people just work on the things that interest them. While that isn't particularly reassuring to people looking for help, it probably helps keep the volunteers from burning out and leaving out of frustration. Mike Dillon 23:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably not a bad idea. I doubt anyone will be creating a "Conseils" page any time soon either. To be honest, I've never really looked at any page except for "Images to improve". Mike Dillon 03:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protocol 

message: Just found you folks here, and am looking to get going on some graphic design work.  I downloaded the SVG program, looks pretty straight forward.  I'm up for converting images, but I would also like to help improve this project.  Any direction is appreciated, just let me know if there's anything I can do for you.  --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 15:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say 'The SVG program do you mean Inkscape?  --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure do. --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 01:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Type svg into commons and practice your skills there for now. We have completed almost all of the formal requests as of right now but watch it and pitch in as needed--Cronholm144 03:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re:Inkscape: Good. I personally think Inkscape is brilliant and better than other non-free Vector packages (whoops, that's not NPOV). If there aren't any requests on Images to Improve, you could nominate images to be improved or try out Inkscape by helping out at :Category:Images that should be in SVG format. Just be careful of licensing as it is debatable as whether fair-use images should be in SVG format, and some of the images in that category are fair-use. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Dave.  As of right now, I'm only converting images that are under the GNU, creative commons, or public domain.  I will release the SVGs under the same license to avoid any conflict of licensing.  When I get a bit of time, I think I'll start on that 3-point altimeter, since it's used in several articles. --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 20:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Releasing under the same license is a very good idea (they could be argued as derivative works). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello all! 

message: Hi, I stumbled upon :Category:Graphic Tool- is this used? And if so, can someone add a proper higher category to it as it's "unknown" at the moment. If it's not use - can it be deleted? Thanks! Deadstar 10:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: External link is  as it doesn't seem to link properly? Deadstar 10:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The category in question is on Commons, not the English Wikipedia. An easier way to link there is :commons:Category:Graphic Tool. Just remember that Commons doesn't accept fair use images. Valentinian T / C 10:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Graphic Tool 

message: I've noticed a few problems with images that are being worked on being deleted.  I have created a template to possibly resolve this issue.

Hope it comes in useful. --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 20:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template to mark images in progress 

message: Someone snagged a vector imaged out of a copyrighted PDF from a countries government and now it's all over the place. Could I still request someone to create a free SVG of said coat of arms so we don't have to run around with this annoying SVG that can't actually be used anywhere since it's an SVG? 68.39.174.238 00:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be specific. Which image are you talking about? Valentinian T / C 07:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean generally, could that be done without leading to accusations that one SVG was a derivative of the other? 68.39.174.238 21:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If an image used on Wikipedia is in fact a copyvio but mistagged as a free image? By all means. Btw, you might wish to check my list of places where official heraldic images are in fact PD. There aren't many of these nations, but a number of nations actually have such laws. But if the image you're thinking about isn't on this list of positives, please bring the matter up here. Valentinian T / C 21:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's not on there, it's the Maldives. Check the page Coat of arms of the Maldives — that image is an SVG, but it's copyrighted! End result: All the "Politics of the Maldives" templates use the flag of the country instead of the coat of arms, because the CoA is, infact, non-free. 68.39.174.238 16:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I have a couple of images over on the Polyurethane page, both in .png format. I downloaded Inkscape and converted them to .svg format.
I tried to upload one here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Polyurethanepolymer.svg, but nothing shows up; although if I click on the image box, I can get the .svg image to show up!
What am I doing wrong, and how do I get the .svg into the Wikimedia Commons so I can use it in place of the .png?
Cheers,
P Cottontail 00:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP uploading SVG 

message: Would it be appropriate to have Template:Cleanup-image explicitly reference this, or something similar? 68.39.174.238 19:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If by 'this' you mean the Graphics Lab, I think it would certainly be appropriate. There is precedent, to: CAT:SVG has a mention of the GL, as does the Template . --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seemed quite logical, so I did it.  vlad§inger  tlk  01:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template appropriation 

message: I recently made some improvements to the face of :Image:Zhou Tong GR.svg using inkscape, but the changes are not rendering at all. If you click on the picture, the changes appear. How do you fix this? I notice the very same thing happened the first time when the graphics lab took on the job of making a vector drawing of the original painting. --Ghostexorcist 22:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Answered on talk page. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhou Tong image 

message: I originally created :Image:IPA chart 2005.png in Word, converted to PDF, then converted to PNG. But I'd prefer SVG. I downloaded Inkscape (which BTW looks like a nice program), but it won't open PDF; Acrobat and Illustrator won't export to SVG. How do I get around this? (Please answer on my talk page.) Thanks, kwami 18:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how do I convert PDF to SVG? 

message: Hi all,
I recently brought a graph (:Image:History_of_laser_intensity.svg) over here for advice on exact positioning of text for equations.  Rugby471 fixed it very nicely by changing the text to paths, but hereby hangs a cautionary tale:  The new file was 391 KB!  Fortunately, he had also uploaded an intermediate version where he had just fixed the arrowheads (another problem that I had had).
I felt that the precision gained by the change was not really worth the increase in file size, so instead I broke up each equation into individual letters and sections of text.  I also solved some of my original problems by using ² and ³ where necessary.  Now the file is only 48 KB, and is more easily searchable.
I hope this tip can be of some use to somebody at some time. --Slashme 16:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some huge SVG files on the Wiki, e.g. :Image:BlankMap-World6.svg is 1.56MB. Once MediaWiki rasterises the image, though, it's the filesize of the resulting PNG that counts. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text to path 

message: ...is awful. You click on the section edit link and get a MW error about trying to edit section 1! 68.39.174.238 15:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've dropped a message to Rugby's talk page. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This new heading template... 

message: === New Template and Archiving ===
User:Ilmari Karonen suggested that we should have the template incorporate more than just "done" or "not done". Working on this, I had a go at an edited template that has five outcomes. See User:DTR/Sandbox2 and User:DTR/Sandbox3.
Oh, and by the way, the current template didn't add , but it should be fixed now. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, is the new template archiving properly? Maybe it would need to be subst: -ed. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we can safely say that archiving is not working. {{subst:-ing didn't work either. any thoughts? --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DTR (talk • contribs) 16:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have an idea, but I need to confirm something first, how exactly did putting . Make it archive, i can't find anything on Werdnabot's page or Shadowbot for that matter.   > Rugby471 talk ⚔ 17:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Shadowbot3 just checks for any pages that transclude , and checks for  in it, then archives those sections.  It was in the werdnabot wiki, when that was working (I can't seem to access it today).  BTW, I don't think that transcluding the tag from another page works - none of the sections on Images to Improve have been archived.  I'll put a note on Shadow1's talk page asking about it. Time3000 17:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I think I'll start manually archiving some of the requests, since it's clearly not working. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just noticed lots of werdnabot-archives mid archiving - were they put in manually? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: see User:DTR/Sandbox2 --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the colours slightly and added an image   > Rugby471 talk ⚔ 18:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for changes 

message: User:Ilmari Karonen suggested that we should have the template incorporate more than just "done" or "not done". Working on this, I had a go at an edited template that has five outcomes. See User:DTR/Sandbox2 and User:DTR/Sandbox3.
Oh, and by the way, the current template didn't add , but it should be fixed now. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, is the new template archiving properly? Maybe it would need to be subst: -ed. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we can safely say that archiving is not working. {{subst:-ing didn't work either. any thoughts? --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DTR (talk • contribs) 16:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have an idea, but I need to confirm something first, how exactly did putting . Make it archive, i can't find anything on Werdnabot's page or Shadowbot for that matter.   > Rugby471 talk ⚔ 17:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Shadowbot3 just checks for any pages that transclude , and checks for  in it, then archives those sections.  It was in the werdnabot wiki, when that was working (I can't seem to access it today).  BTW, I don't think that transcluding the tag from another page works - none of the sections on Images to Improve have been archived.  I'll put a note on Shadow1's talk page asking about it. Time3000 17:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I think I'll start manually archiving some of the requests, since it's clearly not working. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just noticed lots of werdnabot-archives mid archiving - were they put in manually? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template and Archiving 

message: ;To allow other language to set up a graphic lab quicker
Hello, I think it's need to keep in a clear place this link : Last fully programmed Graphic Lab page. This will enable foreigners to "copy/paste/translate" and to get a graphic lab. Please can you get a place to "keep/archive" this link, ok keep in mind that the Commons' Graphic Lab is still fully programmed. Yug 06:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Languages

message: :see User:DTR/Sandbox2 --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the colours slightly and added an image   > Rugby471 talk ⚔ 18:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Newsletter/Announcements

message: ; Description : This would be a complement to the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve, specifically in the creation of maps for the undermapped articles, listed by the hundreds at :Category:Wikipedia requested maps
; Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
# Chris 06:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rock on! Thank you! Do I archive this discussion or just remove it? Chris 21:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd remove it, myself, as you indicate there already exists a project dealing with the subject area. John Carter 15:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And perhaps mention the other project in the Talk pages of each as a suggestion that they might be of interest to each other...or of interest to someone looking for the right project for a task.  (SEWilco 15:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Would Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Requested and orphan maps be the best link?--Pharos 18:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartography Lab proposal from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals]] 

message: I've noticed that there isn't much activity with respect to requests. Instead of waiting for people to figure out that they can come here and figure out how to post a request and actually post it, why don't we go out and look for the images ourselves?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by XcepticZP (talk • contribs) 16:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion to Troll for Images 

message: I have uploaded a file - :Image:WikiBasics.svg -  created by Illustrator 10.0 and saved as SVG (UTF-8). But, it's not showing up. I have used the web color palette of Illustrator. What is the problem? Can anyone help? Aditya(talk • contribs) 14:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, Illustrator generates the SVG with embedded .ai (illustrator) code, and this causes problems. Inkscape cleans-up the code or something, I think, when it's re-saved. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about the pallette of colours.  --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, rugby471. I guess I'll need an Inkscape to work out this kind of problems. Aditya(talk • contribs) 01:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've never had any problems with Illustrator. CS2 and CS3 both have excellent support for both versions of svg. Make sure you pick svg 1.1 when saving as svg. Don't go export or anything. ""Inkscape's implementation of SVG and CSS standards is incomplete; most notably, it does not support SVG filter effects..."". Proprietary software always beats the free stuff, hands down :p  XcepticZP (talk • contribs) 14:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Careful, or there'll be a fight :P. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error? 

message: I've just seen Stanford's VectorMagic image tracing website , which provides tracing as an online service. It claims to produce higher-quality vector output from bitmaps than other algorithms, including well-known commercial graphics packages. Its demo images at  appear to have dramatically higher quality than the competition. Has anyone tried this service? -- The Anome 11:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And we probably wouldn't be completely happy anyway unless we traced it ourselves :-) --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, according to a post on one of the RSS feeds i read, it seems to be working well on some types of images.  
 > Rugby471 talk ⚔ 16:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VectorMagic 

message: ...and a better coordination between Photographers and Wikigraphists. It may be need to make adversing in this following way (to improve) :
	We lack of good photographies and photographers to illustrate the Wikipedia's articles. You can help us by uploading some free photographies, especialy anatomic macro images such display (right; left). We also have a Graphic Lab where graphists are volunteers to give the last clean up to Your images.	
Yug - 12:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok, I've just realised where I am.. I guess this is probably the wrong discussion but isn't it time that the whole picture administration side of things was more organised, or centralised, or anything but the dysfunctional state it's currently in? The difference, from an editor's POV, is an always-there, smart, full service digital bureau and photo studio with in-house retouching and editing, or a virtual shoebox with several million unprocessed, poorly catalogued, placeholder snaps with takie-it-or-leave-it functionality.. thing is, I think Graphic Lab could provide that service if we set about it the right way. --mikaultalk 21:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need : 1/ better advertising 2/ better photographies on white background... 

message: Hi all,
My university offers its crest as a freehand or corel file for those who want high quality.  Which will be easier to convert to svg on linux? --Slashme 19:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure whether they intend to give me a cdr or a wpg file.  I've so far gotten a cc of an email saying "Sue, can you please take care of this".  If I don't get a response, I might have to apply my 1337 tracing skillz (which in our case we have not got) to make myself an svg and a postscript file, which I will then of course share with the rest of the university LaTeX community. --Slashme 06:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freehand or Corel