Talk:Christianity/Archive 6

message: To whoever is inserting statements that Christianity is an 'artificial' religion: Please discuss changes like this on this talk page. DJ Clayworth 14:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Artificial

message: While I know that direct violence is rather uncommon as a form of persecution in China, (or alternately, it may be common but under reported) many Christians, particularly in the political spectrum, have alleged that Chinese Legal Authorities often discriminate against Christians. Such allegations often include claims that Legal Authorities issue greater fines and harsher sentences to Christians than they do to non-Christians. I'm not sure how these allegations could (or if they should) be fit in, but I think it may be a good idea to start a discussion on the issue. Since I currently lack any direct source (I've heard the allegations several times but I do not remember the sources) maybe discussion could prove fruitful.
I'm most interested, however, in providing specific examples of persecution against Christians in Africa (Especially regions like Sudan). I know there are separate articles to the persecution problem in the Middle East, but persecution in Africa doesn't seem to be discussed much. I have heard first hand accounts, both through my profession and from personal Christian friends, and I have my own personal account (which I make passing mention of above), but it's hard to get official accounts because of search limitations. I would like to get a discussion going about persecution in Africa, and hopefully get some links and information that may potentially help start an article on the issue.
Anyway, if anyone has anything, and I mean anything, they would like to say to get a conversation started, or any suggestions or sources they may be able to provide, that would be great. --Lucavix 00:39, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: Expanded section of Persecution Against Christians in China and Africa. 

message: Isn't it POV to call Christianity monotheistic?  Muslims consider it polytheism, and many critics of trinitarian theology have said the same thing.  Since no one these days seems to dispute that Christians worship both the God of Abraham and Jesus, calling it monotheism implies that you accept that Christian assertion that these are somehow the same entity.67.66.159.249 22:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you grasp the point at issue.67.66.159.249 23:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have the idea of POV turned on its head.  Some non-Christians and non-trinitarians do not agree, but in trinitarian Christianity God is one being.  Trinitarian Christianity is by definition a monotheistic religion; others might disagree, but that's their point of view.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 00:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. Just because some people claim Scientology is a cult, doesn't mean we say it is a cult. Other examples are available. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 14:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monotheistic?

message: I am a white male in the USA.  With that being said I think the article is too USA/Europe oriented. I will add some footnotes perhaps in the future so readers can learn more about what is happening in Asia and other places. If anyone wants to do it now here are some sources:
How Christianity is Growing Around the World
By Charles Colson
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/Perspectives/colson020722.asp
Christianity Today, Charasmatic christian growth in the world
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1998/nov16/8td28a.html
The Coming Underground Church in Europe
By Wendy Griffith
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/ChurchAndMinistry/ChurchHistory/021206a.asp
ken 18:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: problems with article