Talk:Edition (book)

message: I suggest that we rename the article from "First edition" to "Edition (books)" and expand accordingly. Right now there is no such article, and this is the logical starting place, because you can't define "first edition" without defining "edition" in general, as reflected by the way the current lead evolved. The present outline would change thus:
=== Tentative outline ===
Lead: 'The bibliographical definition of an "edition" includes all copies of a book printed “from substantially the same setting of type,” including all minor typographical variants.' [Rest of what currently is the lead moves down under h2 "First edition".]
== First edition ==
[Insert here the rest of what currently is the lead]
=== Bibliographical definition === [demote to h3]
=== Collectors' definition === [demote to h3]
=== Publishers' definition === [demote to h3]
== Co-edition ==
[Discuss co-editions briefly.]
== e-dition ==
[Discuss e-ditions briefly.]
== See also ==
== References ==
== External links ==
Objections?
— ¾-10 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion to rename the article "Edition (books)" and expand accordingly 

message: Lead: 'The bibliographical definition of an "edition" includes all copies of a book printed “from substantially the same setting of type,” including all minor typographical variants.' [Rest of what currently is the lead moves down under h2 "First edition".]
== First edition ==
[Insert here the rest of what currently is the lead]
=== Bibliographical definition === [demote to h3]
=== Collectors' definition === [demote to h3]
=== Publishers' definition === [demote to h3]
== Co-edition ==
[Discuss co-editions briefly.]
== e-dition ==
[Discuss e-ditions briefly.]
== See also ==
== References ==
== External links ==
Objections?
— ¾-10 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tentative outline 

message: No objections, so done. And article expanded. — ¾-10 22:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Update: done.

message: Ludvikus recently moved "Edition (books)" to "Edition (book)". Recording here just to aid in following edit history. (Watchlist preferences by default do not show page moves on watchlist.) — ¾-10 16:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Edition (books)" moved to "Edition (book)"

message: I think a useful section would be the method by which an edition, in particular the first edition as defined by collectors, could be determined.--Jrm2007 (talk) 08:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to determine Edition 

message: The following was recently mostly removed as "speculation". It is more like a description of the threshold currently existing. As with a ball near the edge of a table: you can speculate whether it's going to roll off, but describing the ball's proximity to the edge is just a description of facts. For example, Google has already built the pathway for this with millions of titles (they could POD tomorrow if the copyright owner simply "flipped the switch"). Not sure that this counts as something that doesn't belong. 
"With the advent of print on demand and e-book technologies, publishers can keep all their titles perpetually in print, and there are now few good reasons why any new book should ever become unavailable. As for old books, many are currently still out of print, but an era in which any book from any time can be downloaded or printed on demand, either for free or for the right price, is conceivable. Properly handling copyrights and sales will present a larger hindrance to arriving at this era than will technical limitations." 
Quercus solaris (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think it would be good to include a statement about POD and how those are judged as editions. Clearly such books have "edition-ness" to the same extent as any other printed book, and the same criteria apply: when printed from the same, unaltered file, they are of the same edition; major changes should make them a new edition, and presumably this would be noted on the title page and with a change of publication date.LaMona (talk) 16:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential end of out-of-print era