Template talk:Coord/Archive 3

message: When coord is used in an infobox whose text size is set to, say, 90%, with the "inline,title" or "title" display chosen, the coordinates in the title bar are also shown at the reduced text size. Can the CSS be edited so that 100% is always used for that location? Andy Mabbett 17:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Force 100% for "title" display 

message: Google say that Google Earth should be parsing coord "within a week" (of 6 June; my emphasis); and that "it may take [about a month] before users would see any articles pop up in the Wikipedia layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump available when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months". Andy Mabbett 11:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent news. I did have a look for when coor title shows up in Google Earth and the latest I could find was about mid-Jan; so it takes a while (this was looking at the Anomebot's log of edits). Ben Bulben is the earliest I could find using coord (early April). -- roundhouse 17:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And yet you still haven't removed your ever-more inappropriate warning from the template's documentation. Andy Mabbett 18:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have to agree with Para and I state that Google Earth obviously still only contains articles with coor (please correct me if I'm wrong) and that the FAQ still has not been adapted to Coord. That's a pitty. Could you, Andy, please contact Jason (c.f. "green light from Google Earth" above) or someone else from the Google Earth Team and report here on the status? Thank you. -- Geonick 22:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Earth 

message: I have just received e-mail from Stefan Kühn, saying that he will begin parsing coord this week. Andy Mabbett 12:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is possible! ;-) -- sk 14:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would it not be? Andy Mabbett 14:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stefan is busy. Seeing as a new dump  is probably months away and Wikipedians can be more flexible than external people, do we need to wait? --Para 08:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we don't need to wait, just as we haven't needed to since the beginning of June. Andy Mabbett 14:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Andy alias Pigsonthewing: You obviously misinterpreted Stefan Kühn's mail. He writes on his user page today(!) that he added finally Template:Coord to his scripts, so we can hope that next few weeks template Coord will be finally 'outreached'. The bad news is that many well known services like geonames.org and Google Earth still have not updated yet their parsers from coor to Coord! I hope that there will be a homogenization phase now and, please, wait for larger consensus a little more next time... Thank you. -- Geonick 21:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I misinterpreted nothing. Google Earth are also parsing coord, as the link you provide indicates. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 22:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but the link I provided does not mention coord but only coor, coordinates and coords: please clarify. In addition, tell me an article in the Google Earth layer which only contains coor and undoubtedly stems from en.Wikipedia. So, if you're right, all the better :-> -- Geonick 22:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia-World

message: What exactly does this mean "Note: using the title attribute indicates that the coordinates apply to the article, and not just one of (perhaps many) places mentioned in it — so it should only be omitted in the latter case. It will be used to add the article to services such as Google Earth layers." It seems to me that the sentence is saying that Google Earth, et al will not process the coordinates for their use, unless the Wikipedia article includes the "display=title". Is that correct? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how it was handled with coor title and coor at, and should be done the same way with coord. There used to also be the special case of having the coordinates in an infobox, where they always apply to the whole article. This is all because we don't have markup to say whether something is a part of the article or just related to it. We'll see in a few months how information using this template gets visualised. --Para 08:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for asking is because the consensus in airport articles was to only have the coordinates in the box and not at the top of the page. A very few of the airports use this template but most use the "coor dms" and that is picked up by Google Earth. It didn't need coor title or coor at to work. Take a look at Cambridge Bay Water Aerodrome which has only used the "coor dms". If this template doesn't get picked up then the airport articles will need to stay with the older template or will all need to be changed to use the "display=title" parameter. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that (in Cambridge Bay Water Aerodrome) you would use coord in the infobox with display=inline and this will be fine with Google Earth, and not show in the title. There is some uncertainty about whether Google Earth etc are actually parsing coord so I would be inclined to do nothing ufn. The most recent words on this are perhaps here where a bot is mentioned; the Anome generally makes a lot of sense. -- roundhouse0 17:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The only such uncertainty is in your own mind. Andy Mabbett 18:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Google Earth have posted support for coord in the meantime and so CambridgeBayWeather could proceed to use coord with confidence. -- roundhouse0 19:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to be like that Andy. Just because something is clear to one person does not mean that it's clear to all. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was made clear to roundhouse0 some time ago; but two editors have - for reasons I've been unable to determine - been spreading FUD about coord for some time. See discussion regarding Google Earth, above. Andy Mabbett 20:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: FUD yields quite a variety of interpretations ... It was not clear to me that Google Earth had announced support because I didn't notice Para's note above (of 08:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I told you on 7 June that Google Earth had said they would be parsing coord; you must have seen that, since you replied. I posted just one day later, to say that they had explicitly said that they were content for us to begin converting existing coordinates templates to coord. Andy Mabbett 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a sense of deja vu on this - I'm sorry you didn't follow the counter-argument, eloquently put by Para, and others, above and elsewhere. Patience was advocated. -- roundhouse0 11:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand fully that patience was advocated; I also understand that it was uncesary, and that we've wasted time which could have been spent productively converting coordinate templates. Andy Mabbett 15:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentence meaning

message: now will somebody please remove the blatantly false warning from this template's documentation? Andy Mabbett 10:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone who hasn't been fighting their cause related to this template and ended up blocked for it, comment on the Wikipedia-World section above? --Para 11:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the warning because I understand it is no longer justified as projects have announced that they either support  or will be doing imminently. Adambro 11:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As was the case at the beginning of June, when I first removed it. Thank you, though. Andy Mabbett 14:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Certainly - I'll do so now. Andy Mabbett 14:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farcical warning still on template documentation 

message: I was thinking of something more like the Commons box, but without the big logo, and brief text such as "A collection of coordinates is available.".  At first I thought it should go by the coordinates.  But a right-side box in External Links seems better, particularly as it can then be found when you're looking for it.  I'm using an external link in the examples but should be a link to a coordinate collection selection page.
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Here's one based on the box linking to the Labelled Image Editor (used for Labelled Maps): A collection of coordinates is available.
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A box stripped down from Commons box: A collection of coordinates is available.
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A box based on the Portal box: 
A collection of coordinates is available.
(SEWilco 17:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should raise these issues - which have merit (but which require different wording) on the talk page for  or WP:GEO. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 17:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  This subdiscussion moved to WP Talk:GEO.  (SEWilco 05:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little boxes, little boxes 

message: SEWilco and Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing): Please don't ignore the technical and constructive discussion I tried to raise above. There are strong arguments to drop the kml template because it's redundant and misplaced. I understand the need to look at article's coordinates when it contains many of them - although I haven't seen any other users asking for this. But I strongly advise against Wiki text - and now displayed boxes - whereas both do not belong there! It is enough to geotag a paragraph! The functionality your are seeking has to come from somewhere else. And it's obvious that there are many candidate sevices which can do that. Para gave a show case on this here. Then you mention something like a need to "allow for tables where some rows are hCards and others not; or where some, but not all, of a cell's content is marked up.". First: microformats like hCards are not the agreed way to tag within Wikipedia (and for sure not for geotags) and second: There is no qualified need to geotag table cell whatsoever. Please try to sort this out before in Template:Coord which already is slightly overloaded. -- Geonick 12:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your arguments were not ignored; they were refuted. The motion to delete  was soundly defetaed. You do not explain what you meanby "geotag a paragraph", but since many of the coorindinates concerned are not in paragraphs, it's hard to see how that would be a useful alternative.  is not the approprate tool for the cases discussed, for reasons already outlined. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Your statement "Para gave a show case on this here."  Contains a link which tries to show me part of the world rather than an explanation of the show case.  Where in the world is your show case?  I think that's just a link to a script which implements a coordinate collection scanning tool, which implements a coordinate collection interface rather than being any sort of example of there being no need for the tool which it is.  An article link to a coordinate collection tool is needed, whether it is called KML or something else.  (SEWilco 04:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I get the feeling that you both behave a little bit self-governed. Remind, that it's your turn to explain your use and show cases for : Please don't add templates without broader consent and please help keeping Wikipedia manageable. (And this counts for your proposed usage of hCard-geo too, which IMHO does not belong in article texts but in existing templates, as it's already the case now). -- Geonick 09:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See :Category:Lists of coordinates]] for articles which currently use .  Obvious candidates are in :Category:Geography-related lists (if they don't already have coordinates they still are candidates because they might acquire coordinates).  Non-geography articles are also candidates, as shown by the road, canal, and spacecraft splashdown articles which are already using kml; some examples are :List of Polish language radio stations, :History of United Nations peacekeeping missions, :List of horse racing venues.  Possible articles whose present structure is not structured for a visible  include :Community areas of Chicago, :Oregon Trail (so some changes would be needed before kml could be used on these, although they have information which could be displayed as a collection of coordinates).  (SEWilco 20:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: "it's obvious that there are many candidate sevices which can do that." What are some of these coordinate collection services, and indicate how I access them from an article.  (SEWilco 20:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ambiguous claims made in the first paragraph of this section have not been supported so the discussion is retired.  (SEWilco 21:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The inititial thread is 5 days old an you already want to close it? My time is limited to explain basic technical knowledge to you so hold on a moment. In addition, isn't it up to someone not being a party in the discussion to close it eventually? -- Geonick 00:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You made several statements as definitive but couldn't support "a show case" and "there are many candidate services".  I could write the technical details of what has been provided, but you have not mentioned why the "show case" is a show case nor list some of the "many" services.  (SEWilco 04:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop adding disputable templates and microformats 

message: There is one major problem with the globe icon, IMO. Check out List of features on the Moon or Daedalia Planum to see it (there are probably plenty of other places, those are just where I first saw this). Since globes other than Earth don't seem to be supported, could the template be modified to disable it if a different globe is specified? Having a little picture of Earth that leads to a map of Earth isn't appropriate when the location is on another celestial body entirely. Bryan Derksen 02:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I'll see what I can do about that. --Dschwen 06:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, this might take a little time to implement, in the meantime please note that the map-hack page that coord links too does not process the globe parameter either. Nonetheless I have an idea... --Dschwen 07:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, by the way, there is now an experimental lunar satellite mode. The scalebar is still wring, and it shows earth markers. But that is going to change. It is live anyhow to fill the lunar imagery cache on the server gradually. --Dschwen 17:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that part of Google Sky or Google Moon?  (SEWilco 19:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in no way related to any Google product, uses no Google software, no Google servers, no Google data, and most importantly, if you zoom in to the max you won't get cheese ;-). --Dschwen 19:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, in what is this moon mode?  I don't see it documented in .  (SEWilco 21:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by in what is this moon mode? How did you get the idea it had anything to do with Google in the first place? --Dschwen 21:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What tool has this "lunar satellite mode" and how is it connected to ?  (SEWilco 21:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahhh, sorry, the whole discussion was spawned in the wrong place anyhow. It refers to the meta:WikiMiniAtlas, which appears next to coord templates but really doesn't have anything to do with the template itself. I since added a comment in the documentation section of . --Dschwen 22:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moon mode is *awesome*, but it really needs to come up in that mode when you click the icon for a coord with a globe:moon. Though I guess getting the label issues sorted out first is more important. It does highlight the problems with folks randomly extending the coor template... since I doubt any of the software previously doing coord extraction handles this. --Gmaxwell 13:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-planet diversion