Talk:List of people pardoned or granted clemency by the president of the United States

message: "Maurice L. Schick – military court-martial for brutal murder; commuted to life with the possibility of parole.[24]" under President Gerald Ford, and under President Dwight D. Eisenhower it says "Maurice L. Schick – military court-martial for brutal murder; death sentence commuted to life imprisonment, with the condition that he would never be released. Legal challenge went to the Supreme Court, questioning the constitutionality of the punishment "Life Imprisonment Without Parole". Decided in Schick v. Reed that to be so sentenced was constitutional." Can this be edited to make it clearer that one modified the "without parole" to "with parole"? I was a little confused about it. -mrdeleted (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 15:37, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Maurice L. Schick?

message: To list individuals notable enough for their own entry in Wikipedia who were the beneficiaries of the U.S. presidential pardon.
:The purpose of this list seems like it would be a good purpose for the other pardon listings as well -- the partial lists available for a few of the last Presidents.  The "purpose," as indicated above, is not apparent on these lists.  There are VERY FEW people listed who are linked to a Wikipedia article about them.  I am not saying that these folks are a bunch of nobodies.  But, with few exceptions, they do seem to be "pre-somebodies."  One guy was pardoned for not telling the truth.  Shocking to be sure and yet there is no article about him.  Maybe a listing of the "individuals notable enough for their own entry in Wikipedia" should be on one list and the relatively obscure folks could be on another list. Mkpumphrey 19:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In support of the argument above-- Shouldn't this list include all people pardoned by a president?  It seems to me that the article lacks validity if you limit it to "notable" persons.  Notable is a subjective term.  Why limit to people who have wikipedia articles? Some of the people may merit a wikipedia article now or in the future.--RDavi404 (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the front page, "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it."  I believe this list will always be incomplete if limited to those with pre-existing wiki articles. --RDavi404 (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Purpose of this page

message: The power of pardon includes the full pardon, to commute a sentence and to grant clemency. Each and every action is a "pardon," per se. - Davodd 23:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be the same practice with Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush: list only the most notable recipients on this page, and list everyone on the president-specific pages. - Walkiped (T | C) 23:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page only lists folks who have their own WP entry. Hope that helps. Davodd 19:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of "Pardon" here

message: I don't believe Libby should be listed, because he was commuted, not pardoned.N734LQ 07:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Davodd (above):  "The power of pardon INCLUDES the full pardon, to COMMUTE a sentence and to grant clemency. Each and every action is a "pardon," per se. - Davodd 23:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Libby

message: This article fails to mention the pardon granted to George Burdick, a New York newspaper editor, who had refused to testify in federal court regarding the sources used in his article concerning the collection of customs duties. He plead the 5th; President Woodrow Wilson then granted him a full pardon for all of his offenses, which he refused. He continued to plead the 5th, at which he was sentenced by a federal judge for contempt. It was then that the Supreme Court reinforced the necessity of accepting a pardon to be valid; the federal judge had imprisoned Burdick on the grounds that he was claiming falsely his need for protection against self-incrimination.
In short, this article overlooks a pretty important pardon. Burdick was released on order of the Supreme Court.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/opinion/26lardner.html
Ghrey (talk) 03:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then add it!  No one will do it for you, and most of what goes on here on the talk page is ignored. travb (talk) 07:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL if only the above was not so true...   RP459 (talk) 00:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Woodrow Wilson

message: Is clemenced really a word?  My spell checker as I am writing this does not like it, and it is not in Wiktionary, also the only hit that came up quickly in Google was this page...   RP459 (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clemenced

message: Since the title of this article contains the word clemency, the Definitions section of this article should also include a definition for the term clemency.  Thanks.   (Joseph Spadaro (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions

message: I note that one of the main references here is Fox News.  Never, ever write an article that mainly references Fox News OR other Wikipedia articles.  Based on the size of the list under Clinton and the size of the list under Bush, the idea seems to be to rehash Pardongate.  An erroneous Republician contention that Clinton pardoned a lot more people than H.W. Bush with the suggestion that his pardons were for sale.  He did give more than H.W. Bush, but gave about the same as Reagan and far less than Eisenhower.  Go to www.justice.gov/Office of the Pardon Attorney/Presidential Clemency Actions by Administration (1945 to present) for the correct numbers and a definition of 'clemency.'  Richrakh````
:First of all, don't issue blanket admonitions like that. If you think the article needs better references, do something about it. What's more, not one of the references listed on this page is Fox News. That's true not only as of this writing, but it was true before your spate of editing began (see here). Nor in fact, is Fox a source at the list of Bill Clinton pardons. For the G. W. Bush list, there are two: one noting he hasn't granted too many pardons, and the other supports the listing of two people who received commutations. Across those articles, Wikipedia was only used as a reference in one place, for Scooter Libby at the Bush article, and I have removed that (as you could have done if that's what you were referring to). If, instead, you are referring to the Main article: links for each section, then you need to learn about summary style, because it is appropriate. 
:Now, as to your other point, it is not about rehashing the Clinton pardons. Assuming a little good faith might be nice. The fact is, this page is about notable pardons. Bush didn't issue that many notable ones, a fairly natural consequence of not having issued many at all. Presidents from longer ago are naturally going to lack as many as some contemporary ones because we simply don't have a lot of information about which ones were notable or contentious. -Rrius (talk) 06:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: It's mentioned in the article on William Henry Harrison and James Garfield that they are the only  two Presidents to not pardon anyone (as they served too short a term), but James Monroe is not mentioned in the article at all. Did he not pardon anyone? Or is his ommission a mistake? I think it is the latter, as even Tippecanoe and Garfield were mentioned, even though they didn't pardon anyone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.69.1 (talk) 16:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Two or Three Presidents Offered no Pardons?

message: "President Andrew Johnson pardoned about 7,000 people in the "over $20,000" class by May 4, 1866. More than 600 prominent North Carolinians were pardoned just before the election of 1865. President Andrew Johnson pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 654 people during his term."
1) These numbers don't only not add up, there is an order of magnitude discrepancy. Recommend deleting all of this content as the source is not likely to be verified by an editor.
2) President Johnson was not President yet in the "election of 1865" (vague), so how did he pardon these North Carolinians just prior to election? Again, I recommend deleting all of this as it is incoherent and unlikely to be verified.VmZH88AZQnCjhT40 (talk) 22:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Johnson 

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message: Did it ever occur to you that, within presidential administrations, it made more sense to list commutations and pardons chronologically? I can only guess you like editing for the sake of editing. Perhaps you could have stopped and asked first. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's more helpful to readers and researchers for us to list recipients chronologically within each presidency, rather than alphabetically. I fully support restoring that arrangement. KalHolmann (talk) 20:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

text: *Update: I restored chronological order pending consensus to alphabetize instead. KalHolmann (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  order of listing 

message: Hi. We currently have a mixture of styling entries in these sections. The article should be internally consistent.
Some entries are separated with an en dash, others are separated with a comma, and still others are separated by a hyphen. Examples are below. Is there any preference for which we style go with?
Also, is there any preference if the blurbs begin with a capital letter?
Noah Hanson - a free black man who was tried and convicted of assisting slaves to escape; only known Presidential pardon of a black person for Underground Railroad activities; convicted in 1851; pardoned in 1854[9]
Patty Hearst – Convicted of bank robbery; sentence commuted
Willie McCovey, pleaded guilty to tax evasion in 1995 and received two years probation and a $5,000 fine.[34]
Any thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: MZMcBride, I like the en dash – but in any case, agree that styling should be consistent. Thanks for pointing this out. KalHolmann (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  An en dash seems fine to me. It looks like many of the entries are using a lowercase letter for the start of the blurb, unless the word is always capitalized. We could enforce some consistency on this as well, which would impact the Patty Hearst entry, for example. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styling of each entry 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Is there any reason why we do not have an article entitled "List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump"?  We have a specific article for each of the past recent presidents (going back about 20 years, to President Bush Senior in 1989).  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be a short article. Obama pardoned 212 and commuted 1,715. Trump has pardoned 5 and commuted 1. KalHolmann (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  One: Short or long, it's a notable topic.  Two: Obama was in office for eight years; Trump, one.  No?   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh. That's why having a standalone article for Trump is premature. Let him build a record. KalHolmann (talk) 04:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Duh" ... ?  Sorry, you have mistaken me for a third-grader.  Which I am not.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that courtesy is often in short supply here. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump 

message: Under Andrew Johnson's pardons appear this line...
"More than 600 prominent North Carolinians were pardoned just before the election of 1864."
Andrew Johnson wasn't President in 1864.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:777C:C750:991A:3BD:799F:6DAC (talk) 22:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impossible pardon 

message: Although there is a separate Wikipedia article. I believe that we should incorporate the name, weight, date of birth, and date of pardon for each Turkey pardoned under each administration. 2601:283:4A00:C200:4873:4038:789E:DAFA (talk) 22:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidential Turkey Pardons 

message: Under Andrew Jackson's section it says that George Wilson refused the pardon and was then hanged - however, the article on United States v Wilson seems to dispute this, and says he "avoided being hanged" and served 10 years before being released, though does acknowledge that the Smithsonian magazine claims he was hanged. Clarification needed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:8678:FA00:9175:E262:4B67:C4A8 (talk) 17:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Jackson 

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