Talk:Karamanids

message: It is not true that the founder of the Karaman beylik was armenian. The founder of the Karaman beylik was an Turkmen bey (warlord). Therefore I have removed that part, to be sure I have checked a few books and found absolute no reference of armenian origins of the Karaman beylik.
:I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is well documented in the Encyclopædia Britannica. If you don't have access to the book, in short, it references that Karamanoğlu Mehmed Bey was the son of an Armenian convert to Islam, who married one of the Seljuk Sultan's daughters. So technically that would make him half-Armenian, but people are usually identified by the father's identity, so I think that justifies him as an Armenian enough. Eiríkr Rauði 18:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I will add more dates.--TuzsuzDeliBekir 20:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founder 

message: This article is very confusing to me.  For example:
*"they assembled another army which defeated Mehmet Bey. After the war, he and some of his brothers were executed in 1277.", but Mehmet Bey appears again in the 15th century: "Timur gave control of Karamanid to Mehmet Bey, the oldest son of Aleaddin Ali Bey."
*'Alladdin Keykubat I, the sultan of Seljuks from 1219 to 1237, had reached the border of the Byzantine Empire and ordered some from the house of Turkmen to keep the borders safe. No sooner had he done so than Cilicia was captured, and control of the city was given to the house of Karaman." What did he order from the house of Turkmen?  Who captured Cilicia and gave it away??  
*"During this time, the Ottoman family were fought against for being kings. "  Don't quite understand.
*"During the Crusade on the Ottoman Empire, Karamanid İbrahim Bey marched toward Ankara and Kütahya, destroying both cities"  What crusade is this??
*This article says that this state was established by Mehmet Bey, but his article says he was the "3rd ruler of the beylik of Karamanoğlu".
If the problem is related to English skills, I would be happy to help.  MapMaster 23:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs work

message: I provided proof in my previous posts, why was it changed?Orrin_73  —Preceding comment was added at 19:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For Armenians, every single successful Turk has Armenian origins. They are really strange, if you'd be a known person in the future, they'd claim that you are also Armenian, heh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.179.207.202 (talk) 15:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Karaman not armenian in origin

message: This star was used by many Islamic emirates. It is not the Jewish symbol, Star of David, since it is called Seal of Suleiman (Süleyman Mührü). We can see the flags of Karamanoğlu, Candaroğlu and Dulkadir from The Catalan Atlas of 1375.
Turkish explanation for Turkish users who think that the flag symbolizes Judaism: Söz konusu bayrak sandığınız gibi İsrail bayrağı değildir. 1375 tarihli haritada pek çok beylik ve emirliğin bayrakları çizilmiştir. Söz konusu haritaya yukarıda ulaşabilirsiniz. Benzer şekilde Candaroğullarının bayrağı da kırmızı Süleyman Mührü içerir: . Bununla birlikte yukarıda görebildiğiniz üzere aynı yıldız Barbaros Hayrettin Paşa tarafından da kullanılmış olup, Osmanlı camilerinin içinde dahi görülmesiyle İslami bir simge olduğu sabittir. Yani bu yıldız yahudiliği değil, aksine müslümanlığı simgelemektedir. Bu yıldızın yahudi simgesi olması son 100-200 sene öncedir. Camilerin içine çizilen bir simge nasıl olur da yahudi simgesi olur? Selçuklu eserlerini, Osmanlı eserlerini inceleyiniz. Lütfen bayrağın Yahudi bayrağını olduğunu iddia edip ikide bir silmeyiniz. Ailenize sormanız bir şey ifade etmiyor, zira hiçbir yakınınız 1375 yılında yaşamadı ve Karaman ailesi Osmanlılar tarafından 1500'lü yıllarda dağıtılmıştır. Eskiye dair bir şey kalmaması doğaldır. Wikipedia kişisel iddialar üzerinden değil, kaynaklara dayanarak yürümektedir. Bu tartışma daha önce yapılmış ve sonlanmıştı, lütfen elinizde sağlam bir kaynak yoksa tartışmayı sürdürmeyiniz.  Kaygtr (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Flag 

message: You can try to improve the article translating from catalan version (see the biography of each ruler). Catalan is very close to french language (and still more close to the occitan language).--83.33.222.102 (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Improve article

message: The article states that "Karaman expanded his territories by capturing castles in Ermenek, Mut, Ereğli, Gülnar, Mer, and Silifke." Now, five of these locations are well known. But where is Mer ? I followed the link which directed me to an disambiguation page. In that page there are only two locations named Mer, one in France and one in Australia. Obviously Mer is a misnomer. Can it be Mara ? In that case either the original name Mara, or the present name of the village Kırobası must be used. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Mer ? 

message: It is claimed that Alâeddin Ali Bey married to Nefise Sultan, the daughter of the Ottoman sultan Murad II. I highly doubt it. Because according to Prof Yaşar Yücel and Ali Sevim, Murat II had married to Melek Hatun from Karamanoğlu house. Does this mean that both sultans were both groom and the father in law at the same time, just like a Mark Twain story ? Since Alaaddin was older than Murat II most probably Nefise was not Murat II's daughter. Can Nefise be Murat I's daughter ? Checking the history of the article I saw that in 2 Apr.2008 an ambigious editor had changed Murad I to Murat II . I'll repair it. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murat I and Murat II 

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message: According to the articles Salur tribe, Karamanids and Oghuz Turks  Karamanids were a branch of Salur people (Üçok group of Turkmens). But there are also some sources which connect their origin to Afshar people (Bozok group of Turkmens).The online source  by Yahya Başkan and  Türkiye tarihi Cilt I by Yücel and Sevim  note this ambiguity. Perhaps the lede should be rewritten. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salur or Afshar 

message: The second map on this article titled "Beylik of Karaman (orange) in 1300" (created by User:Gabagool) is the worst map I've ever come across so far. For example Ilkhanids and Seljuks are quite displaced and the Candarids are called Isfendiyarids much before Isfendiyar was born. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty map 

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