Talk:Beatnik

message: Could the authors working on this article please go and look at the page Beat Generation? 
Can you tell me what the point is of having this article as a separate page (as opposed to an automatic re-direct to the Beat Generation page)?  It's looking to me like it's gradually turning into a duplicate of the page, albiet with less information about the original Beat writers. -- Doom 02:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatnik vs. Beat Generation 

message: The picture from Zig Zag cigarettes has nothing to do with the Beat movement. The man depicted on Zig zag products is a French soldier known as a Zouave, and is used because the Zouave is credited with inventing the cigarette.
:The old zig-zag image that was a bereted and bearded dude did seem to me to be at least somewhat representative of a beatnik, however, working on your suggestion, I have replaced it with what is probably a more representative image.  Namely a cartoon portrayal of a beatnik.  Thanks for pointing out the need for a better image.
:-Scott P. 03:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Isn't there a better image we could use?

message: The etymology of the word 'Beatnik' contradicts the explanation offered in the 'Beat Generation' article, which explains it as a combination of the word 'Beat' used by the beat poets, and the '-nik' suffix used to insult them by implying communist sympathies. Where did this whole string of older words come from? All these assigned meanings to 'dig' and 'cool', is this page intended for Uncyclopedia? -user:207.190.229.94 March 31, 2006
:I agree. All the statements detailing Cornish or Irish etymologies need sources very soon. I'm assuming good faith; otherwise I would've removed the statements immediately and possibly archived them here on the talk page. Google for beatnik bennek does not impress me at all. The passages that I question span several edits from 2006-03-23 03:06:51 UTC to 2006-03-26 03:03:10 UTC. --Officiallyover 22:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The opening paragraphs must be a joke. 

message: I have removed the undocumented etymology references.  The fact that the references themselves stated within them that they were undocumented and only verbal was enough for me to assume that they were what Wiky defines as original research and therefore not suitable as Wiky content.
-Scott P. 23:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word-of-mouth documentation not enough for Wiky 

message: This article needs to be revised. Marxist-Leninism is a materialist philosophy. And I don't mean in the "spiritual" sense as this article implies. -User 68.236.5.240 19:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not certain exactly what you mean here.  Would you be able to point out exactly which wording of the article you think could be improved?  (BTW, if you sign your entries with a dash followed by four tildes like: -~~~~, then Wiki will automatically fill in your user info and the date for you.)  Thanks,  -Scott P. 20:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure thing, the article on wikipedia about Materialism goes into detail about it. Marxist-Leninism is a materialist philosophy, it doesn't have a problem with Consumerism other than it being a perpetuation of the Capitalist system by commodity fetishism, it is not anti-materialistic like in Beatnik culture and as such is not based on spiritual grounds. The thing Beatnik culture has in common with Marxist Leninism is its subversiveness to the status quo in a Capitalist country.--68.236.5.240 02:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatnik Communist connection 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Thebeatniks.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Beatbeatbeat.jpg

message: There really needs to be a mention of Shaggy, a la Scooby Doo.  I'd assume he's the image of Beatnik most people picture (some older people may picture Maynard G Krebbs, or younger people Flanders' parents.)  Still, Shaggy is a universal symbol of beatnik-ism...  --Mrcolj 14:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shaggy

message: I have always thought of them as stylish Proto-Hippies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.142.6 (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just a "media stereoptype", I'm certain. One of those Wikipedia pronouncements by committee that then comes to dominate an article and make you very sure you're not going to read beyond the first sentence. Meerta (talk) 21:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Beats...

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:BeatGenerationLOC.jpg

message: The opening paragraph seems to be lacking it.
165.134.209.174 (talk) 05:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objectivity? 

message: Just now I took this garbled sentence out from the end of this section. AS I quote it here I have already removed a whole lot of mostly incorrect markup:
"List of Daria characters#The Morgendorffer family, Quinn Morgendorffer from MTV's Daria, Daria exhibits clique behavior and changes her appearance in one episode .ref  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0762839/ ,"Quinn the Brain"
If anyone can make sense of this and it appears to be relevant please put it back in. Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 23:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatniks in theater, films and animation section...Daria 

message: I fancied myself as a beatnik in the 50s and 60s. I was not what this article says, nor do I remember anything like this associated with the eastern version of me. Take a look at Ralph Waldo Emerson and Transcendentalism. That was the root of the culture. Just as the Hippy's said "Make love, not war," beatniks said something like "Be your own person." Art and often complex jazz were means of expression for the culture. Also take a look at Bohemianism. Beatniks were often referred to as Bohemians, and yes, mainstream society thought we were all idiots.
Just a perspective. Tom Butler (talk) 19:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Beatnik is not this

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Per this revert as discussed on this blog, a putative 1956 instance...
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...appears to be a page from a 1959 issue, mistakenly interleaved with an issue for the same date in 1956. jnestorius(talk) 17:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  False 1956 antedate  

message: May I humbly suggest adding "Bell, Book and Candle" to the list of "Beatniks in Media."  I'm not familiar with the Broadway play, but the 1958 movie, set in 1950s New York City, features "The Zodiac Club," a beatnik jazz club for witches.  The stereotypes are all there, albeit tastefully represented - not mockingly - complete with Jack Lemmon on bongos and Jimmy Stewart (muggle) struggling to fit in to the witch/beat sub-subculture.  A fun movie and an ideal example for this list.  I hope this is helpful.  71.83.113.197 (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatniks in Media:  "Bell, Book and Candle"