Talk:Jacques Chirac

message: Chirac has never been a member of the Communist Party, contrary to what is written in this article. It's right the young Chirac had participated to the campaign for the communist-inspired Stockholm Appeal against nuclear weapons. Some people said he seld the communist paper L'Humanité, but he has always denied it. Nevertheless, he has never joined the Communist Party. 
(Excuse me for my English, I'm French)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.66.234.112 (talk) 15:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chirac and the Commmunist Party

message: :Why is there no mention of this in the article? 83.245.17.212 16:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not forget his closeness to Juvénal Habyarimana. --Ionius Mundus 13:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corruption

message: Funny thing, the info about JC's problems when firstly going to US because of his left wings ties I could only find it on the en.wp but not on the fr.wp. Is there any reference to that? Thanks! --Vlad 00:57, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Il signe en 1950 l'Appel de Stockholm, contre l'armement nucléaire, d'inspiration communiste (cela lui vaudra d'être interrogé lorsqu'il demandera son premier visa pour les États-Unis, pays pour lequel il nourrit une réelle admiration)
I.e. "he signs in 1950 the Call of Stockholm, against nuclear weaponry, of Communist inspiration (which resulted in him being interrogated when he requested his first visa to the United States, a country for which he has a genuine admiration)".
David.Monniaux 05:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Going to the US

message: I added his function as mayor of Paris because, if one does not mention that in the list, the reader gets the feeling Chirac didn't do anything but be the president of a party during this long period. Vb 13:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Woops. Bad maneuver, sorry about that. I thought that you had deleted the box... David.Monniaux 15:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayor of Paris 

message: the military wanted to de-rank him because they did not want a "Communist" to become an officer. However, Chirac's extensive family acquaintances had him ranked back at his former position. - Unless there is a source for this, we cannot really include it. It looks to me like a subtle attempt to portray Chirac as the aloof aristocrat...of course he may actually be an aloof aristocrat, but Wikipedia convention dictates that we give sources, so can anybody provide one for this? Peeper 11:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Source: Chirac de A à Z, unless I'm mistaken. David.Monniaux 00:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV - suggested nepotism? 

message: I was reading an online BBC article  and noticed that it said "Mr Chirac, who plans to run for re-election in 2007..." I was kinda surprised, so I came here to see what our article said about this, and saw that we were saying it was uncertain if he was running again. Anybody know if the BBC just got this wrong, or we're out of date, or what? Everyking 08:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chirac apparently fancied the idea for a little while, but given his dysmal approval ratings, another candidacy is just unthinkable now. David.Monniaux 21:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The BBC should read Wikipédia for up-to-date information :) Thbz 23:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-election

message: This part 
Chirac threatened to veto any resolution in the U.N. Security Council that would authorize the use of military force to rid Iraq of alleged weapons of mass destruction, and rallied other governments to his position.
is incorrect. I read at the time precisely what Chirac had said and it was not as clear cut as the article is making out (Tony Blair has been using this dodgy excuse to justify his failure at the UN). Clair Short has pointed this out on Television and in her book so it's a prettty well established fact.--MarkB 15:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Iraq veto

message: Does and did Chirac not veto a law that was "passed" by the National Assembly? Does this warrant a mention??
:No, because he cannot do that. David.Monniaux 23:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veto 

message: Hmm.. no info about Chirac's famous activities during crisis over "corridor" from Kaliningrad, during negotations in Nice and finally famouse "you lose the occassion to shut up"? Szopen 13:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chirac's controversions 

message: Assuming that he either doesn't stand, or is defeated, then will he lose his immunity from prosecution over alleged wrongdoings whilst he was mayor of Paris ? If so, it is likely that he will be charged, or at least investigated ? --219.77.165.93 13:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  After the next election 

message: Google lists this as an article about the current French president.  I presume this is an inaccuracy in some preview code in this article.  Can someone explain what the casue of this datedd assertion is, and how to fix it?  Maybe fix it too, cuz I sure don't know nothing bout this here intertubes. 65.185.93.86 (talk) 03:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Google synopsis

message: 86.16.159.212 15:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no information on his children? 

message: Does Co-Prince of Andorra need to be in the infobox?  It's a piece of historical trivia, not an important part of what Chirac actually does, and is already mentioned in the first paragraph of the article. john k 13:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andorra 

message: Hello. I see that the article has a certain tilt towards outlining only the criticisms of Chirac's two presidencies. I am disappointed to see that the entire article is a concentrated critique of him as a person and none to his actual policies. There were no highlight of the policies that rendered positive results during these two terms. Aside from the NO vote against the Iraq War, is there anything else that can be said about his presidency  putting aside the party politics, corruption speculation et al? 
I am in the predisposition that the article be reformatted and have portions that deals with a comprehensive analysis of his economic policies, foreign policies (such as his success in strengthening the Franco-German Bloc in the EU with ex Chancellor Schroeder perhaps?) , military, and other domestic issues which were not tackled as much as the personal criticisms were. The entire bulk of this article should maybe be classified under the subtitle "Criticisms During Chirac's presidency" or something of this sort. 
Although I sense some impartiality in this article (except of course the Biography portion), I think that the writers and the contributors to this article have aptly illustrated how great a political tactician Chirac is when it comes to finding leverage during elections.  
Happy if anyone can enlighten me on these matters. 
Thanks much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abrionesknox (talk • contribs) 08:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the advantages of Chirac's two presidential term? Sensing an ad hominem fallacy in the article 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Smith" :
**  "Naufrage de la Françafrique — Le président a poursuivi une politique privilégiant les hommes forts au pouvoir.", Stephen Smith in L'Histoire n°313, October 2006 (special issue on Chirac), p.70  
** "Naufrage de la Françafrique — Le président a poursuivi une politique privilégiant les hommes forts au pouvoir.", Stephen Smith in L'Histoire n°313, October 2006 (special issue on Chirac), p.70 
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thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: As part of my cleanup iof the article, I have today removed the quote by Chirac expressing his admiration foe Saddam. I feel that this is not directly relevant to the narrative of Chirac's biography; his friendship is already well described in the article. Chirac's comments are part of the flowery diplomatic niceties permitted of a French president, and I am certain many examples of his expression of admiration of other leaders exist, and is thus no reason for inclusion of any such quotes in this article. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: My cleanup

message: I came across a couple of sources today saying that Chirac is a Mason. One is here: , the other is , page 86. Any objection to including that information? Jayen466 20:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, let's hold our horses; there is some dispute about that, see . Needs a bit more research on how to formulate this, if we include something about it. Jayen466 20:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Freemason

message: I think the article should mention the fact that Chirac was a chain smoker until the late 1980s, since this is almost certainly what caused his stroke in 2005. (92.7.28.205 (talk) 20:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy smoker 

message: This title should be changed as well as the whole section should be re-written. This section makes him look like he's anti-islamic. But for real, not only hijab has been banned under his rule, also turbans are banned, which serve religious, traditional importance towards millions of people. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:07, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is indeed not very reliably sourced. But its first three sentences (if they can be reliably sourced) do give his opinion on hijabs, which is independent of the wording of the 2004 law. (Note that the law, as mentioned in the linked BBC article, only bans religious clothings in public schools - the law is no stricter than the anti-hijab law in (pre-Erdogan) islamic Turkey.) --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion on hijab? 

message: I decided to be WP:BOLD and delete this section. It is unreferenced, but deals with a controversial topic that could damage Chirac's image to certain readers. In that vein, it either has to be solidly verified or it should be gone. Plus, it is just tagged in there and doesn't fit in any way with the flow of the article, like an afterthought. If solid, reliable sources can be found to verify that Chirac is against the wearing of islamic headwear, then it can be readded in the article in a better way that better flows. (I do understand that Islamiphobia is rather widespread in France right now). Until then I felt that removing this section was necessary per WP:BLP. 69.14.38.40 (talk) 01:48, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion on Hijab 

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message: Here is a discussion/!voting showing that editors find this article missing quality, to be linked from from main page (Recent deaths). Whatever, I invite each and every editor to improve this article to make it acceptable (even while we don't know what that standard is, I add cynically). -DePiep (talk) 21:15, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent deaths: not fit for mainspace? 

message: I have upgraded this article to class-B . See also WP:ASSESS. Those who wish to challege this, are invited to discuss. IOM, this implies the article is suitable for mainspace linking (WP:ITNRD). -DePiep (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to clear those 2 orange tags on the sections before the article can be posted in ITN. STSC (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: class-B says: " without major problems but requires some further work". Two tags in forty sections: within limits, I say. BTW, you too can remove those. -DePiep (talk) 22:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But orange tags are not acceptable for ITN. Yes, I would help if I have the time. STSC (talk) 23:08, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

text: , oh, so it was you who rated this a B. How convenient. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the ratings to C class. This article is going to need a lot of work to get to B. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:06, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

text:  -- Why not "someone", or "we"? -DePiep (talk) 09:15, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You, User:The Rambling Man, wrote  (bolding added): . My response was, of course: why not you yourself? -DePiep (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What?   I think you're missing the whole point of this project, but I may be wrong of course.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have quoted your posts literaly. That is not about , it is replying to your actual posts here. You did write that "someone else" should edit, not "we". Is what I pointed out. -DePiep (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  sorry, let me be "more clearer".  THERE IS NO OBLIGATION FOR ANY OF US TO UPDATE/FIX/RESOLVE ISSUES WITH AN ARTICLE THAT FAILS TO MEET POLICY.  Is that clear enough?  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class-B