Talk:Reclusión perpetua

message: I think, reading the information in the article, this "Reclusión perpetua" is just a kind of life imprisonment, and, as that, It should be merger within that article. In fact in Spanish is used almost as a synonym of life imprisonment, and, as far as I know, Spanish is not an official language of the Philipines, so I don't think a legal institution would be named in that language.
About the Argentinian case (a country in which Spanish is the only official language), the article, as It is now, doesn't give any reference to the difference between "Reclusión perpetua" and life imprisonment in Argentina.
--Camahuetos 13:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not life imprisonment, it's a forty year prison sentence. --NEMT 14:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Let's not merge, and keep the article in :Category:Philippine law. --PFHLai 15:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This is clearly a Philippines-related article and not solely about the generic life imprisonment. Life Imprisonment needs a major re-write anyway. Plasticup T/C 20:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno. I would have to side with Camahuetos here. I mean this is still a life imprisonment; Mexico has a 40 year life-sentence. Geosultan4 03:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't believe this article should be merged; it differs significantly from life imprisonment. This sentence has a minimum term of 30 years and a maximum of 40 years. It also is specific to the Philippines. I believe it to be notable as a standalone topic. Pursey Talk | Contribs 03:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: If it is going to be merged, it should be merged into an article about life imprisonment in the Philippines not the generic article IMHO Nil Einne 06:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On further consideration I don't think a merger is warranted. As I understand it, in all countries with life imprisonment the sentence is one of indeterminate length that can in theory mean life. Even in countries where life sentences are treated fairly 'leniently' like Germany, NZ this is still the case. In practice, it may be rare or never that a person actually spends their life in prison but the only way people can get out is by being paroled or being given an amnesty or pardon. This usually requires some sort of application or at least may be denied. In a few cases perhaps parole may be automatic but even in these cases as I understand it it's still parole so it means that it can be revoked and that the person likely has to meet certain conditions. On the other hand as I understand at least it in the Filipino case 'Reclusión perpetua' is a determinate sentence of 40 years. After 40 years the person is released. There is no parole or pardon or amnesty (although these may still be granted before the 40 years). The person cannot legally spend more then 40 years in prison as part of the sentence. It doesn't matter whether the day before you're going to be released you start a riot and kill 100 prison guards. You've still served your sentence (you may of course be charged with something else). There are a few countries mentioned in life imprisonment which don't have life sentences but in these cases it's not considered life imprisonment anyway AFAICT. We should probably mention reclusión perpetua in the life imprisonment article under Philippines but don't merge. Nil Einne 08:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: :Reclusión perpetua carries accessory penalty, life imprisonment does not.
This sentence needs to explain what "accessory penalty" means, otherwise it's meaningless without context.  "Accessory penalty" is currently a red link.  Tempshill 05:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The concept of accessory penalty is well understood, and probably shouldn't be any type of link.  In this case the accessory penalty is lifetime barring from holding political office, even after release. --NEMT 15:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well understood by whom? I don't know what it means. PeteVerdon 20:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  From the context it should be clear what an accessory penalty is.  Is English your first language? --NEMT 22:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not clear from the context, accessory could mean anything. We're trying to improve the article here, why are you getting so defensive? Perhaps you should abide by your own "no angry mastodons" principle. In any case, I've made some changes to the point in question, hopefully it is to your satisfaction. Russthomas1515 10:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Accessory penalty"? 

message: I changed "Robbery with violence against or intimidation of persons" to "Robbery" because the wikipedia article carries the same meaning as in the description. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 02:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robbery 

message: Reclusion perpetual and life imprisonment 136.158.101.19 (talk) 04:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reclusion perpetual and life imprisonment