Talk:Phish/Archive 7

message: Is anyone going to make a note of the bass sounded very 'funk'ee? In much of the music the bass is almost completely different to the song in that it's funky whereas the rest might be something else (but still coming together). At least in the top description where it has jazz/blues/folk etc. --Perplextrator 04:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funk 

message: Say, I know people get the picture when the Country is Burlington, Vermont, USA, even though it's not really a Country. But for clarity's sake, could it be changed from "Country" to something, more like, Origin? TommyBoy76 00:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh 

message: Kingboyk brings up a good point, and I've been trying to find an answer and have come up empty-handed.  Or maybe it's because I don't understand the early workings of the Internet too well.  Or.  Because I'm a dumbass.  All equally plausible.
Anyway, the article has long stated that Phish was one of the first bands to have a newsgroup, but it identified it as Phish.net.  I left it during my scrub (most likely because I forgot to look into it), but Phish.net is definitely NOT a newsgroup.  It's a website.  Doing a little research on Phish.net, it says that it grew from several primitive e-mail groups in the early 90's, and that Phish.net took form around '91.  It goes on to say that rec.music.phish got started in '93, but also seems to say that Phish.net is a reliquary for rec.music.phish.
I'm confused and need a popcicle.
If anyone else wants to look into it, I was reading this page here.  It's long.
But, if we can clarify that section of the article, I think it would be a good idea.
—  MusicMaker 00:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phish's newsgroup may well be an early one. You'll have to research it... I can tell you that rec.music.beatles was around in 1990-1, because I used it... I suspect Phish's group was around then too but you'll appreciate it was a long time ago and I can't really remember :) If they had a website in '91 it would be very early indeed... --kingboyk 08:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully I've fixed this. The rec.music.phish says the newsgroup was one of the first dedicated to a band, and was started in 1992. --kingboyk 22:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rec.music.phish vs Phish.net 

message: There's a  in the middle of the paragraph on Big Cypress.  (Is it the paragraph on Big Cypress?  Or is it the paragraph on Big Cypress Seminole Indian Reserve?  Or is it the paragraph on Big Cypress Nature Reserve?)  Anyway, I'm still trying to get the hang of those things or I'd fix it, but, such is life....  —  MusicMaker 00:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: From Bouncing Around the Room:
Bouncing Around the Room was Phish's most popular commercial single. No other Phish song received as much radio air time as Bouncing Around the Room.
The current Phish article acts as though Phish never made any radioplay at all. The band was often heard on 97.3 KBCO in Denver/Boulder about 10 years ago.... Anyway the audio sample discussion made me think that could be worked in somewhere, since many people may only be familiar with Phish (musically at least) from Bouncin Around the Room. BabuBhatt 19:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, see my above remark on adding in a clip of Bouncing. --MOE.RON talk | done | doing 19:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bouncin'

message: I cut down that lenghthy sentence toward the end regarding their styles AGAIN.
I'm going to show off my brain a little bit and explain why, at least, barbershop doesn't belong in the list.  Phish frequently performs barbershop music, but the overall influence or style which they've predominantly used is bluegrass.  Barbershop harmonies and bluegrass vocal harmonies have many of the same characteristics — four-part consisting of an upper harmony, the lead, the baritone voice filling in the chord and the bass note — so they sound quite similar.  However, barbershop is almost entirely homophonic: meaning that the chord changes with each note of the melody.  This is not true with bluegrass, nor is it true with the preponderance of Phish's harmonies.  Secondly, barbershop uses what's known as the "barbershop chord" — the dominant-seventh — a lot.  Like, A LOT.  So much so that it's called the "barbershop chord".  Phish uses it, don't get me wrong, but not with the frequency with which it appears in barbershop.  Barbershop uses simple harmonies and chord progressions, bluegrass is more complex, and Phish even more so.
As for ska, ska, itself, is a fusion sound — it's a combination of calypso and jazz, for the most part.  Modern ska, as we think of it, didn't really get off the ground until well after Phish had started touring, so, while it may have influenced their later years (just barely), it wasn't a major contributor to the overall sound.  (I think Trey's later stuff with TAB was slightly more ska-influenced, but even that is a stretch.)
Showtunes?  Are we serious with this?  First, the word itself conjures images of high-kicking chorus girls.  Secondly, musically speaking, the word doesn't really mean anything.  "Pinball Wizard" is a showtune.  So is "Surrey with the Fringe On Top".  So is "Dancing Queen".  "Showtunes" encompass too many musical styles on their own for us to expect the reader to actually gain any information by its inclusion.
I just cut and pasted the original sentence, so I'm not really sure what else I cut.  If anyone has any questions, feel free to hit me up.
—  MusicMaker 20:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbershop, ska, showtunes, et al 

message: The live albums list is all out of order
It reads: 
Live albums: A Live One | Live at Madison Square Garden | Live in Brooklyn | Slip Stitch and Pass | Hampton Comes Alive | Live Phish |
It SHOULD read:
Live albums: A Live One | Slip Stitch and Pass | Hampton Comes Alive | Live Phish Series | New Year's Eve Live at Madison Square Garden | Live in Brooklyn
please correct
::I'd originally changed those, but after actually READING this page I can see that this is a contentious order at the moment. Therefore, I'll let this be settled in more democractic fashion rather than acting unilaterially. Of course, I don't think the inclusion of that navabar onto the infobox is harmful. Charles M. Reed 05:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whoever can access that info table at the end of the article 

message: Hi, I've created a proposal for categorizing "taper-friendly bands", aka "bands that allow taping" within Wikipedia, and I wanted to invite people interested in this article to offer comments and feedback, since Phish is one of the most prominent bands in the category.  The proposal is at User:Xtifr/BTAT, and I'd be very interested to hear what people have to say about my suggestions.  Let me know whatcha think.  Thanks, Xtifr 11:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal on categorizing "Taper-friendly bands"

message: this is the first time i have read the phish article and i can't believe what's up there. i like the band but the author's description of them boasted too much praise and not enough objective characterizations. someone who knows more about the band than i do, please do justice to this article and edit/rewrite it
:There is no "author"; It was written collaboratively by hundreds of editors. The anonymous critic above has left no suggestions to what is left out or parts that "boast too much praise" which doesn't make any sense. BabuBhatt 17:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The above anonymous editor attempted to add this unsourced statement on Sept 27: "Phish has all the qualities of a common cult. They recruit new members called "newbies" with the allure of easy access to illicit substances. You gain status by attending many concerts and selling substances." You are welcome to add such information if you can verify it through a source other than your personal experience, as original research isn't allowed in Wikipedia. BabuBhatt 21:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "e.g. The Disco Biscuits, Umphrey's McGee, Moe (some of the copycat bands of Phish)." -- How are DB, UM, and moe. copycats?  Because they jam? —oac old american century talk @ 03:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  biased evaluation 

message: I read over this section today and tagged it with . As it stands, it reads like an essay in WP:POV of some peoples experiences. While we all know most of this is true, I think it would be best to cite some sources for this section and to trim the rest of the WP:OR stuff in lieu of such information. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 01:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons to the Grateful Dead section 

message: Who in the name of Col. Forbin added the wrestling pic, replacing the picture of the band on the talk box??????? Doc Strange 17:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrestling Photo

message: How do we remove the citation block for this section.  I added some 6 citations to the section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KyNephi (talk • contribs) 19:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still a couple of things that need to be referenced (as I have noted with fact tags), so the block should stand until we find references for these as well. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 19:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons to the Grateful Dead <-- citations added 

message: That photo should not have been deleted. It was RE-UPLOADED to erase the weird wrestlign picture. The original photo is from the Round Room press kit and was fine for over a year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.33.61.18 (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Photo missing? 

message: I have recently removed the following section from the page under the summary that the section violates the three content policies of WP:V, WP:POV, and WP:NOR:
:A common occurance during extended jams at night or in a dim arena, fans would toss glowsticks into the air. At times the band would get involved by throwing glowsticks that landed on the stage back into the audience, thus creating a "glowstick war". During these glowstick wars the stage lights are often turned off and the thousands of glowsticks flying through the air become the light show while the band continues to play. Glowstick wars were common during songs with extended sections like You Enjoy Myself, 2001, The Divided Sky and Harry Hood.
Do other believe this should be included? If so, what reliable sources do we have to make this enough of a "phenomenon" to be included in the actual article? -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 21:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is sourced, it may be worth a well-constructed sentence or two. It certainly was not a big enough part of the Phish experience to be a whole misspelled section written by a troll-like author. BabuBhatt 22:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth; I know of glowstick wars, as do most fans of Phish. However, for such a section to be added, we are going to need multiple, reliable third party sources that back up that it was an important enough thing exclusively for Phish in order to put it into the page. I have NO problem adding such as section, but we need to work it out here on the talk page before adding it to the page. Thanks! -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 06:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have time to add this information, but I think it should be in the article.  It wouldn't be hard to find pictures of glowstick tossings throughout the years.  Just clear up some copyright issues and add [img url 1][img url 2][etc].—oac old american century talk @ 03:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Glowstick Wars

message: http://www.zug.com/pranks/riaa/index8.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.136.149 (talk) 09:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  funny for you folk 

message: There is a discussion as to how to treat Giant Country Horns in the template.  Any interested editors should feel free to comment there.  —  MusicMaker5376 19:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template discussion 

message: The band is parodied in an episode of South Park entitled "Die Hippie, Die", in which they are portrayed as the band "Fish" and the entire band bears a striking resemblance to the band Phish, and the lead singer looks very much like Trey Anastasio, including his trademark glasses and being the lead singer of a large jam band. Don't know if this is worth noting as a reference in pop culture. Zchris87v 08:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article does not currently have a "Pop culture references" section, and, as it is a GA, I would be against adding one.  However, around the same time (I think), they were in an episode of The Simpsons.  I would not be against adding these two factoids to the appropriate section of the history.  Properly cited, of course.  —  MusicMaker5376 14:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I'll wait until it falls into "failure article" status then, hehe. Zchris87v 04:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add to the list of pop culture references SNL's Chuck Norris reference to Anastasio's appearance on a sketch of Jared's Room that the band sat in on.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.105.93 (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: South Park appearance?

message: If anyone is still watching this article, I want to point out that the article for TMWSIY is up for deletion.  The discussion is here.  —  MusicMaker5376 22:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD of TMWSIY 

message: If anyone is interested, there is a new template proposal here.  Having just revamped the template, I don't really have any opinion on it, and am wondering what others might think.  — MusicMaker5376 14:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: I have created a new page Phish festivals currently under construction for merging all the stubby festival articles into. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All articles have been merged! Tenacious D Fan (talk) 23:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phish festivals 

message: Interesting edit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.90.40 (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "was".... "is"

message: Is it worth mentioning that Ben and Jerry's dedicated their ice cream flavour 'Phish Food' to the band?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.75.40 (talk) 15:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phish Food 

message: In the second sentence of the history section, the article makes reference first to a "schwanz flop", then a "grav: terms I'm not familiar with, but from the context, meaning gigs. They didn't turn up in a quick web search, but I didn't want to cut them in case they were some kind of Deadhead slang: could anyone shed some light either way? Fine article, by the way.Troutio (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Schwanz flop?"