Talk:New Zealand royal honours system

message: Where do we list the recipients? Robin Patterson 01:07, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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message: Perhaps this could be included, though I do not know whether this is a "creative" or "novel" presentation not allowed for Wikipedia:
 Honours Reform 1996
                                                                                                                                                      	New system                                                                                                                                            	New system                                                                                                                                            	New system                                                                                                                                            	New system                                                                                                                                            	New system
Order of New Zealand                                                                                                                                  	Member                                                                                                                                                	                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                      	
New Zealand Order of Merit                                                                                                                            	K. Grand Companion                                                                                                                                    	K. Companion                                                                                                                                          	Companion                                                                                                                                             	Officer                                                                                                                                               	Member
Queen's Service Order                                                                                                                                 	                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                      	Companion                                                                                                                                             	
                                                                                                                                                      	Old system                                                                                                                                            	Old system                                                                                                                                            	Old system                                                                                                                                            	Old system                                                                                                                                            	Old system
Order of the Bath                                                                                                                                     	K. Grand Cross                                                                                                                                        	K. Commander                                                                                                                                          	Companion                                                                                                                                             	                                                                                                                                                      	
Order of St Michael and St George                                                                                                                     	K. Grand Cross                                                                                                                                        	K. Commander                                                                                                                                          	Companion                                                                                                                                             	                                                                                                                                                      	
Order of the British Empire                                                                                                                           	K. Grand Cross                                                                                                                                        	K. Commander                                                                                                                                          	Commander                                                                                                                                             	Officer                                                                                                                                               	Member
Miscellaneous                                                                                                                                         	Companion of Honour                                                                                                                                   	Knight Bachelor                                                                                                                                       	                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                      	
N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996	N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996	N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996	N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996	N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996	N.b.K.: "Knight" Knight Grand Companion of the NZ Order of Merit changed to Principal Companion in 2000.Source: NZ Government press release 2 May 1996
"Knight" abbreviated to make chart narrow enough for low resolutions.
202.89.155.157 23:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Equivalence chart

message: Many of the links in the Reference section lead to a"page not found" message  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.252.60.18 (talk) 10:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference Links to Government sites not correct 

message: I should have stated from the outset that there is a problem where New Zealand recipients of the Knight/Dame Grand Companion and Knight/Dame Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit are classified as being members of a British Order of Knighthood (or as being British).
The solution is to use categories to describe the type of knighthood and honours system under which it was awarded. It is not necessary to distinguish citizenship because (with only a single exception) all Knight/Dames in the New Zealand Royal Honours System must be New Zealand citizens. The following changes are required:
# Rename :Category:New Zealand recipients of British titles to :Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood because "titles" is ambiguous and is not limited to knighthoods but includes Life Peerages (Baron Cooke of Thorndon), Baronetages (Sir Charles Clifford, 1st baronet of Flaxbourne and Sir Joseph Ward, 1st Baronet of Wellington), Peerages (Ernest Rutherford, 1st Baron Rutherford of Nelson) and the Honourifics of Right Honourable and Honourable.
# create a new category :Category:Recipients of a New Zealand Knighthood
# enroll in :Category:New Zealand knights/:Category:New Zealand dames all New Zealand citizens who receive the appellation of Sir or Dame under either the NZ or Imperial Honours system. 
# enroll in :Category:Recipients of a New Zealand Knighthood citizens of any nation who receive the appellation of Sir or Dame in the New Zealand Royal Honours System. With the exception of The Duke of Edinburgh this category is solely New Zealand citizens as honorary Knights do not receive the appellation of Sir/Dame.
# enroll in :Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood all New Zealand citizens who receive the appellation of Sir or Dame under the Imperial Honours system. 
# Changes (4) & (5) would intentionally enroll in :Category:Recipients of a New Zealand Knighthood & :Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood New Zealand citizens who receive the appellation of Sir or Dame in both the NZ and Imperial Honours system. 
To accomplish these changes the following actions are required:
#Breaking the link from :Category:New Zealand knights & :Category:New Zealand dames to :Category:New Zealand recipients of British titles and :Category:British knights by nationality
#Place all New Zealand honours and awards under :Category:New Zealand Royal Honours System (should consider classifying honours/awards as gallantry, bravery, campaign and Meritorious & Long Service in same manner as NZ Government).
#Use the template:post-nominals/NZL-cats to attach :Category:New Zealand knights to post-nominals KG, GNZM*+, DNZM, KNZM, GCB, GCMG, OM, GBE, KB, KCMG, KBE & Kt.
#Use the template:post-nominals/NZL-cats to attach :Category:Recipients of a New Zealand Knighthood to post-nominals GNZM*+, DNZM & KNZM. 
#Use the template:post-nominals/NZL-cats to attach  :Category:New Zealand recipients of a UK Knighthood to post-nominals KG, GCB, GCMG, GBE, KB, KCMG, KBE & Kt.
#The template:post-nominals/NZL-cats is already used to attach :Category:Knights Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit to post-nominal GNZM+ & :Category:Knights Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit to post-nominal KNZM+. 
#Use the template:post-nominals/NZL-cats to attach the existing UK categories to the relevant British Knighthood and post-nominal.
#Enroll :Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood into :Category:British knights by nationality (That last category would benefit from a change to move the subject away from nationality of members to emphasis the Honours System under which it is awarded. This would better reflect membership includes New Zealanders, Australians and Canadians as substantive and not honorary members). 
*The template:post-nominals/NZL-cats can distinguish gender between Knight and Dame using GNZM and GNZMf to render the same link but a different category.
+ For Actions (3), (4), (5) & (6) assume the equivalent categories for Dame Grand Companion/Dame Companion.
The outcome of these changes and actions will be:
#A New Zealand recipient of a GCMG would have categories (Rule 7) :Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George and (Rule 3) :Category:New Zealand knights
#A New Zealand recipient of a GNZM and GCMG would have categories (Rule 6) :Category:Knights Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit, (Rule 7) :Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George, (Rule 5) :Category:New Zealand recipient of a UK Knighthood and (Rule 3) :Category:New Zealand knights
#A New Zealand recipient of a GNZM would have categories (Rule 6) :Category:Knights Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit and (Rule 3) :Category:New Zealand knights
I'd like you opinion on the problem statement, changes, actions and outcomes as well as the names of the new categories particularly with :Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood with the nationality designation with "British Knighthood" or "Honours system of UK" or something else if more appropriate. 
---- Karl Stephens (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed changes 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — MaterialWorks 00:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose per WP:CONCISE. Merge being done, I don't see any reason why these should be moved and not the other articles moved to this format. I would suggest a "[Country/Nationality] hono(u)rs system is best. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Requested move 13 October 2023