Talk:The Outsiders (novel)

message: Sodapop is a 16 almost 17 small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkz9799 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sodapop's age 

message: I think that "pronounced by the author" is a bit strange wording here, since the book itself says "I'm not sure how you spell it, but it's the abbreviation for the Socials, the jet set, the West-side rich kids." I think this explanation makes it pretty clear that the pronunciation is that of the first syllable of "social" by the text alone; the author's pronunciation is less relevant. 75.72.7.108 (talk) 03:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socs 

message: I'm not confirmed here, so I can't edit the article, but there's an obvious error with Gone with the Wind having a trailing quotation mark. 75.72.7.108 (talk) 03:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gone with the Wind 

message: *I feel for an article which covers the film and the novel that this article is far too short and sub-standard in quality. The article should at least include a section for characers, and it's lacking alot of necessary information in the infobox, at least a picture of the book's cover would be a good start. In addition, there's only one source used for this article! I liked the article much better when it looked like . Sure, the plot section is lengthy, but we've improved it since then. If we just return the characters section to this article and make the infobox on the right look more acceptable, I think the article would be perfect. 
*I'm placing an expansion request  template on this article until something can be done to expand it.
216.36.17.218 (talk) 02:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too short 

message: *I edited this to replace a scatalogical reference with the true first line of the novel.  In the subsequent vandalism repairs, my first line was also stricken.  Just curious as to why?  A stylistic thing?  - Ddsilver
*Why do we need the "The book was followed by the 1971 That Was Then, This Is Now" at the bottom? It makes it look like a sequel, which it isn't. Should this be deleted?
*I believe it should be deleted, because it misleads readers to thinking that it was a sequel. Some people already believe it is, we can't have more thinking so, too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MargaretMary23 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First line of the novel 

message: *I do not agree with The Outsiders being listed as a dystopian novel. It is not set in the future and is not science fiction related at all. I think we should remove it from the list of dystopian novels. - Milk 22:33, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dystopian novel? 

message: *The Older brothers name is Darryl. Not Darry.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:189:102:72C0:509E:C598:10C1:FC5D (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: *Any chance of replacing the image of the book with a true scan rather than this rip from Amazon.com?  The 66% off mark is very distracting. --Geopgeop 10:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book scan 

message: *Pornographic image on the cover as well as some remarks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abanamat (talk • contribs) 04:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: *Anyone know why it has a "motorcycling" tag at the bottom?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.107.187 (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorcycling 

message: *She was not 15, she was 17! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.238.244.158 (talk) 10:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  15 years old? 

message: *I always thought it was "socks", and so did my whole English class when we were reading this book. Do a lot of people say "soashes"? Jedi_feline | Talk 06:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation of "Socs" 

message: *This may be the most pitiful article on Wikipedia. The talk page is full of people saying I love sodapop, obviously forum posts, and the article has multiple mistakes; wow, this almost meets the criteria for speedy deletion. I fixed 7 or 8 errors (the infobox being one!) yesterday, and have a lot more to fix. I will have to delete all the nonsense on this talk page when I get home. Come on guys, it's wikipedia, not the book club. You can debate whether the cigarettes or the gun started the fire somewhere else. NitrogenTSRH (talk) 15:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not good 

message: *For your info. Angela is Mark's (Main character of TwTTiN) ex-grilfriend and plays a part in the dance part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.121.36 (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angela, a briefly mentioned character? Do you even read the books? 

message: *The 2 ALA references are bad links, how do I remove them? 69.14.91.247 (talk) 21:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References? 

message: *I tried cleaning up the main character section for Socs, but it's kind of a big job. I tried reformatting and rewording it but it still needs a lot of help. It sounded before like a 12-year-old wrote it and now it sounds like me trying to fix it up quickly. I understand that this book is studied in most middle schools but I think we need to step it up with the quality of the text.
*Another thing... was Marcia really Randy's girlfriend? I don't remember any mention of that, and it might just be speculation. She was.
*Maria is Randy's girlfriend. It is proven in the outsiders book. >:O Katsuuu!! (talk) 02:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character sections 

message: *Despite the multiple edits, this article is still written poorly. I'm going to copy-paste the whole thing into a word document and start re-writing it. I'm expecting the re-write to take a long while, so it had better not be reverted once I edit the page =D --Thatguykalem (talk) 11:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written 

message: *An issue has been raised about the capitalization of Greaser.  I really do not think this is a big deal, but it should be discussed here, rather than in edit summaries or hidden comments in the plot.  Does anyone have any thoughts? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 13:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greasers 

message: 1)The Socs don't find Ponyboy & Johnny in a vacant lot, the boys go to the park to cool down, where they are found by the Socs.
2)The gun from Dally isn't loaded, it's empty.
72.201.233.2 (talk) 00:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 72.201.233.2, 26 October 2010 

message: I'll see what I can do about fixing this oversight, but I'm astonished that there's essentially nothing about the book's place as a landmark in young adult literature. As an English teacher, I've read numerous survey-reviews of the field that identify Maureen Daly's Seventeenth Summer (1942) as the first YA novel — i.e., written for a teen audience rather than being an adult novel that teens also read — and The Outsiders as the first in the modern genre of problem novels that makes up much of contemporary YA literature. I'm a little busy right now doing my job, but by summer, I hope to tackle this crucial omission.
Also, I get the impression a lot of editing has happened in the plot summary section, without anyone's removing the "overly detailed summary" tag. If anything, the opening parts of the summary are less developed than they should be, proportionate to their treatment in the novel, but I'll leave that for a while. We'll whip this thing into shape yet. Lawikitejana (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its place in the YA literature field 

message: I replaced the "Controversy" section that was once a part of this article. It had been removed, but I feel that the controversy of this book is extremely important and therefore merits its own small section in the article. I re-wrote the section a bit so that (hopefully) it's more well-written than it was before, and I replaced the old references with new, more reliable sources. Hopefully doing so will help the "Controversy" section remain a part of this article. If not, I tried my best, and I take full responsibility for re-adding it even after someone deleted it. Sweet Brunette (talk) 02:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: The edition listed as the first, with , is NOT the true first edition. ISBNs were not used in the U.S. prior to 1970 (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_what_year_were_ISBN_codes_first_placed_upon_books). Later printings often give only the original copyright date, as is the case with this edition. 
50.105.152.114 (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not actualy listed as being the first edition. I have amended the text to make that clearer. Thanks for your suggestion. -- Dianna (talk) 16:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 21 December 2012 

message: The last name of the character Randy Anderson is misspelled "Adderson."
96.255.179.151 (talk) 20:58, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: While the credits of the 1983 film list his name as Randy Anderson, his last name is in fact Adderson in the novel. --ElHef (Meep?) 00:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2014 

message: change Johnny's age from 14 to 16
Lucy.mcdd (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done st170etalk 13:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2016 

message: 108.35.228.155 (talk) 23:44, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can back this up with a reliable source (best probably to cite a passage in the book that claims this?), we can make the edit. — Andy W. (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2016 

message: It is strange that this entry has nothing on reception and legacy of a book that is really iconic in the field of young adult fiction, assigned reading in classrooms for decades, and a big influence on a lot of writers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.243.147 (talk) 00:52, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception/Legacy 

message: Keith Matthews (Two-Bit) is said to be the "oldest of the gang" at 18 and a half years old. Darrell is said to "look like he could be 20" but he isn't directly stated to be. He has to be younger than Two-bit and older than Sodapop, who is sixteen going on seventeen.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.112.227 (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darrell is not 20 years old 

message: Plot Ponyboy cutis is the youngest brother of 3 brothers his parents died in a car crash and the oldest brother Darry is left to care for him and the 2nd older brother Sodapop. They are all greasers and are constantly getting into rumbles (gang fights) one-day ponyboy gets into a fight with Darry and runs off with his friend Jonhhy they get into an encounter with some Socs(socials, rich kids) and Jonhy kills one of them they then run off to an old abandoned church where a fire starts and Jonny gets hurt and eventually dies of his wounds Onebigboy (talk) 19:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 19:40, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2019 

message: bob also tried to kill ponyboy 209.250.178.123 (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020 

message: The 'In popular culture' section reads quite clumsily and is difficult to understand. I recommend changing 'two factions, The Greasers and the Preppies/Preps, who both have major roles in the game, are based on The Outsiders’ Greaser and Socs factions respectively' to 'the game's two main gangs, the Greasers and the Preppies/Preps, are based on The Outsiders' greasers and Socs factions respectively'.
Additionally, the sentence following the above says 'he' without qualifying who said pronoun is referring to. An article on the Bully Fandom site attributes a quote referencing The Outsiders to the character Norton Williams.https://bullyfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Norton_Williams/Quotes, Additionally, this page from the Fandom site acknowledges that there are more references to The Outsiders in the game.https://bully.fandom.com/wiki/Bully_Trivia#Literature_Connections While not a primary source, I hope both of these pages provide enough evidence, especially considering the 'In popular culture' section has no sources linked yet anyway. As such, the sentence can just be changed from 'On occasion, while starting a fight with a Greaser, he may say "Heads up, Ponyboy"' to 'Additionally, numerous Greasers in the game quote or reference The Outsiders during gameplay.' I do not see a need to be specific but I have seen specific references mentioned on other Wikipedia pages so it is at the editor's discretion.
Lastly, it seems many reports of vandalism are from 2008 and 2009. As many before me have pointed out on this talk page, the article should be longer considering its place in the curriculum of many schools and how influential a novel it is. Perhaps making the article no longer semi-protected would benefit its growth. It might be worth trialling the opening of the article to public edits for a short time and monitoring it for any unwanted changes.
210.50.218.18 (talk) 05:43, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2021 

message: I would like to make changes because some information is wrong Outsiders43106 (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2023