Talk:List of Halo characters/Archive 1

message: Wellsley wasn't "consumed" in the destruction of Halo, he was destroyed when Lt. Mckay destroyed the Truth and Reconciliation to prevent the Flood from escaping Halo. And Kamilya's statement was all wrong. Only "Smart" A.I.'s are created from human brains and only Dr. Hasley has used a clone brain; the other's being of dying people and such. Lani12 08:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits to Kamilya and Wellsley

message: Shouldn't we move the Quotes to Wikiquote? It does have a section on Halo already: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Halo
--Grm wnr 01:45, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Do you think we could get a better picture of captain keys? maybe a real screenshot instead of a picture of a doll or a random character model or whatever that is? If no one else can find it perhaps i can take a screenshot from halo pc. Bonus Onus 03:31, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
:A screenshot would be a good idea; go for it. --NormanEinstein 04:31, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Captain Keyes

message: "  This one [Master Chief] is machine and nerve, and has his mind concluded. "  When you watch the cinematic, it sounds more like gravemind says "congluted", not "concluded". Dstarisbeastin 21:16, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
He says "deluded", not "concluded".
-Alex, 12.220.157.93 09:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gravemind quote 

message: Actually, I think the reason that Sgt Johnson always appears to survive is that he is, in fact, one of a set of clones ;)
On the first "Rescue the Marines" mission in Halo 1, I made a special point of not only ensuring Sgt Johnson survived, but also taking him with me in the Warthog.
In one of the later "Rescue the Marines" missions on the same level, I found another Sgt Johnson (armed with a sniper rifle), and picked him up as well.
So I then managed to play out the rest of that level with two wisecracking Sgt Johnsons riding alongside me in my Warthog.
(exhausted sigh) Hehhhhh your in game experiences have nothing to do with the main story. -- Psi edit
Sgt. Johnson of course is one of the main storline charecters. Even though he can dye in halo 1 and not halo 2 is because bungie wanted to make the game  realestic and not have you guessing on why this guy is so important to the storyline that they had to make him invinciable.
He will always survive in canon, Bungie's word.
Sgt. Johnson does not kill Jenkins, as Jenkins (in Flood Combat form) is captured by Marines for study in the novel Halo: The Flood, it could not be Mendoza either, as he is killed by the Master Cheif in Halo: The Flood. The only other named Marine present at the time was Bisenti, but the dead marine who collapses onto the Cheif in the ciematic had his clothing, so its likely it was just an unnamed Marine.
BritBoy 23:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sgt Johnson 

message: Can we really say that he was on the first Halo just because he knows what the Flood smell like?  The gas giant level makes it clear that the Flood aren't just on the Halos, it may be that he was involved in an operation on an altogether different Forerunner installation.
The Halo Graphic Novel solves this by providing a story about the Spec-Ops commander showing that he fought them on a Covenant agricultural ship which was invaded by the Flood. This is also how he lost his left two mandibles (giving him the nickname 'half-jaw' among fans).
BritBoy 23:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covenant Spec-Ops commander 

message: In the Heretic Leader part, However is used a bit much...or else I'm just being wierd..--KelticKTalk 05:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overuse of the word "However"? 

message: There are 3 female humans on Halo Combat Evolved, not 2:
- The lifepod polit that takes the MC down to Halo but dies on impact of the crashlanding of the lifepod.
-Foe Hammer herself, and
-Cortana.
Winxptwker 07:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe Winxptwker means that Cortana's "mother" (Dr. Halsey) is a human, so that makes Cortana humanish too? :S Master of Puppets That's hot. 04:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Foe Hammer

message: Since Orna 'Fulsamee was mentioned on this page, shouldn't Zuka Zamamee (the elite who is saved by Yayap the Grunt in the book 'The Flood') be put in as well? He seemed like a pretty big charcter in the book.
:Why not?--Zxcvbnm 02:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is. They state pretty clearly in the novel that 'Zamamee was the Elite in the elevator after the Chief finishing fragging the ventcores. Peptuck 18:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuka Zamamee 

message: He's black, not "african american".  This politically correct bullcrap is starting to compromise the integrity of articles.  Unless you can prove somewhere that he is of both American and African descent, don't even bother.  How do we know he's not Jamaican, or from Trinidad, The Dominican?  You don't.  Ethnic lines most certainly suffer a blurring in Science fiction.  If you can't use a word right, don't use it!  --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An African American is a U.S. citizen who is socially perceived as being at least part black, especially one with ancestors imported to America during slavery. Most African Americans have European, Native American and/or Asian ancestry as well. Blacks from non-African countries such as Haiti, Cuba, or the Dominican Republic and blacks who voluntarily migrated from Africa are sometimes referred to by their nation of origin and not African American, but in general the cultural assumption in the U.S. is that if a person is black, native English-speaking and living in the United States, he or she is "African American". 
Is sarge a US citizen?  Does are we sure he descended from united states citizenship with an african background.  NO.  Give it a break.  If the two or three people who are pressing this and other like them could find something more useful rather than nitpick towards politically correctnes (incorrectly I might add)  wikipedia might actually make some real progress once in a while.  Also note that my use of the word "idiot term" in the edit summary is not directed at any user, but at the phrase itself and the immense idiocy that surrounded its inception and still surrounds its everyday use.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, everyone in the Halo games refer to the planet as "Earth", so I'd hazard a guess that you'd not say you were from Terra (though they might call it that in the novels, which I haven't read.  Are they any good?--Raguleader 22:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sgt. Johnson 

message: i havent read teh book but is that half jaw supposed to be invincible? i knocked him over cliffs and he doesnt die lmao
btw this phrase is wrong: However, if enough Flood infection forms attach themselves to him, then he will run around in pain for a moment or so, then jump very high off-screen and disappear. This usually takes five or more infection forms. on lvl oracle i killed all teh grunts and elites and went to teh green room and then i hide and saw 20 little poppers going on him and all he goes is cry. i think the person who wrote it mistaken it with the non godly white elites, i recommend removal
also some of the things r wrong like the hammer of tarturus cant 1hit pk white elite, and if u use a banshee it doesnt do anything. gee have u ppl even studies the game properly?
One thing you should study properly is the ability to spell.
:A Banshee can be used to kill tartarus quite easily, his hammer kills everything in one hit (on legendary anyway, I can't speak for other difficulties) and the reason he is invincible is because he's an important character, you can't have him die and then appear in the next cutscene, like Sergeant Johnson. Also a spelling lesson is advisable. --James086 09:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  lolz half jaw 

message: "However, he crashed inside the ship and encountered massive Flood resistance. Trapped in a tight corridor, Yayap miraculously fended of an entire mob of Flood. However, realizing the ship was going to explode and there was no escape Yayap became temporarily insane repeating the phrase, “its a good thing they got them food nipples back at the ship, cuz' man, have I worked up a grunty thirst!”. It was when the Master Chief escaped on the Pillar of Autumn that he met Yayap on a shortcut, most likely killing Yayap to put him out of his misery. Yayap can be seen in the video game in the final level "The Maw". Yayap is located on the escape run on an adjacent corridor. (Right before the part where the Master Chief must clear the large gap.) It is from their that you will hear his famous quote."
This isn't what happened, i will delete this, and replace it. If i am wrong, please prove it and then edit it.
I would like to say that Yayap does not say this, but in fact this is a line in Halo. The "Food Nipple Grunt" does exist - and the exact line is "its a good thing they got them food nipples back at the ship, cuz' man, have I worked up a BIG, grunty THIRST!" --71.230.37.43 04:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Add-on to YapYap? 

message: I have found that we have a great deal of problems with people not doing what I have done as an idle fanboy, and what many hundreds of others do to analyze the plot for fun. There is an entire site devoted to just Halo's plot, which I reccomend you study, as well as two wonderful learning programs available for the Xbox. Please, take some time to familiarize yourself with the plot and all of the little dialogue snippets that are relevant before you make decisions on whether material is relevant. If it weren't one o'clock I'd do something serious in this article. --71.230.37.43 05:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Experience Problems

message: Do we really need to list every minor Marine character on this page? While I'm for keeping some Marines, especially important ones like Jenkins and Locklear, the minor ones, such as Dubbo, Perez, and maybe even Stacker and Banks may need to be removed. Peptuck 15:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character cutbacks

message: Wasn't Orna 'Fulsamee also the Arbiter? In the cutscene at the beginning of Halo 2, he mentions how he "followed with all the ships in [his] command" but he didn't fire on the Pillar of Autumn, which is why he was branded with the Mark of Shame, sentenced to death with his intestines paraded about the court, became the Arbiter, etc. Wendt 22:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Halo Graphic Novel has confirmed that they aren't. The Arbiter is the Supreme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice, which had arrived at Halo at about the time of the events of 343 Guilty Spark. Therefore, he cannot be Orna 'Fulsamee or the Elite the Chief kicked off the AJ's bridge. Peptuck 18:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But how can that be possible? If you watch the first cutscene of Halo 2, it shows an Elite Commander (the one who eventually becomes the Arbiter) being questioned by the Prophets. Looking at some of the dialogue, it seems as if his fleet arrived at the start of Halo 1:
ELITE COMMANDER: It (The Pillar of Autumn) fled, as we set fire to their planet. But I followed with all the ships under my command.
Looking at the quote above, it seems as if he was present when the Covenant glassed Reach, witnessed the PoA's jump, and immediately followed, which would indicate that he was part of the fleet which ambushed the PoA at Halo.
PROPHET OF TRUTH: When you first saw Halo, were you blinded by its majesty?
Clearly states that it is the first time the Commander has seen Halo, linking to the next point.
PROPHET OF TRUTH: Yet the humans were able to evade your ships, land on the sacred ring, and desecrate it with their filthy footsteps!?
How can the humans have had to "evade his ships" if he had not been present during the events of the Pillar of Autumn level?
ELITE COMMANDER: Noble hierarchs, surely you understand that once the parasite attacked-
Somewhat ambiguous, but looking at this quote makes you think that he was there long before the release of the Flood, perhaps to the point of suddenly witnessing them as a never before seen foe - which he would not have been if he had arrived during 343 GS. 218.208.220.31 12:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: He does not have to have been present to have his ships evaded or to have his fleet present at the ring in the first place; however, the HGN is notably ambigious about this, as 'Kusovai does simply say that "Hopefully we will at last go to Halo" which could be interpreted as being en route or already there and undeployed. regardless, Supreme Commander cannot be Orna 'Fulsamee; 'Fulsamee is a Ship Master, while the Supreme Commander is, well, a Supreme Commander. Peptuck 09:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orna 'Fulsamee 

message: Well, I've started the cleanup - but this article is long, rambling and full of lots of stuff that needs to be encyclopaedia-ised. Bronzey 11:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I changed the note and info concerning their designations.  Vinh does have the unique designation of 030. Razer of Chaos 23:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joshua and Vinh's designation 

message: I put a merge tag on Sergeant Johnson's article. If someone can condense his summary, it's feasible to fit him here. — TKD::Talk 00:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the thing, though. Speculation is original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. It'd be much better to condense the plot summary a bit and put that information here, rather than in a separate article. — TKD::Talk 23:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of Sergeant Johnson 

message: Tartarus (Halo) is up for deletion. I think it might be good to retain the content of the article in this section. Any thoughts? -- Ben (talk) 17:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might find yourself in the minority on that one... The Tartarus article is about to be deleted. Is there anyone else out there that thinks that there should be a Tartarus article? Anyone willing to post in the AfD discussion? -- Ben (talk) 22:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of Tartarus 

message: Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tartarus (Halo), the Tartarus (Halo) article must be merged into this one. Please decide the best way to do so, and then merge the article into this one. Thanks! ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion per AfD  

message: I was wondering if the characters could be divided in tables based on apperance in either Halo, Halo 2 or both. Thanks for your attention. Punkalicious 00:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to do it. // 3R1C 02:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: As long as it doesn't mess up their current catagorization. Its very useful within the article to have the different members of the different groups gathered together. I personally would just include notes within each character's description as to where they appear rather than create seperate tables. Peptuck 04:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add it, but I know little of editing Wikipedia articles since I'm new to the site, and I'm afraid that I might mess something in the article. Punkalicious 00:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps make a sort of horizontal info box, with the voice actor and game(s) appeared in? Would certainly be better than right-aligned. Dåvid Fuchs (talk / contribs) 01:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's without styling, of course. Dåvid Fuchs (talk / contribs) 01:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally. That would work great! Peptuck 03:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Would it be possible for someone to get a better screenshot of Sgt. Johnson, perhaps a headshot from one of the Halo 2 cutscenes rather than the far away full-body screenshot of him from Halo?--Raguleader 22:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sergeant Johnson's picture? 

message: Okay, now that we've got Halo 2 up to FA, I see this article as being our top priority in terms of importance (besides the other character articles). I've begun sourcing, making oou edits and such, but things I see that need work on (besides grammar, etc.):
* Lead- we got nothing. Who designed the characters at Bungie? What about them? Stuff like that.
* Non-universe commentary- Has Steve Downes ever talked about being the voice of Master Chief? Would the article be helped by adding this info in?
* Sourcing!!!- Lots of this article I will not be able to source, unless one of you guys sends over the Halo novels by USPS. Certain characters (such as Pete Stacker) could be for all I know (and I suspect) nothing but unsupported cruft- and not having the books, I can't confirm. Also, Sesa ‘Refumee's section is overly long and mostly fabricated, as I don't beleve the heretic leader made an appearance besides Halo 2.
* Shorten names- No one needs to know Ship Ops/Spec Ops in the title. This could be contentious and annoying, but I believe it's for the best if we strip the ranks from name headings. Not only does this shorten the TOC at top, its much easier to link in. Admittedly, this will cause redlinks, but I think its for the best. I'll await input on this case.
* (added) Correct Tense - this was confusing, but to everyone involved, it would be best if we did not use past tense. Like they say for book reports, treat the work like its own frame. So "Jenkins was turned into a flood form" would be "Jenkins is turned into a flood form". 22:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick point: Sesa 'Refumee's background is stated on the Joyride Studios action figure box, which is material direct from Bungie. His section still needs to be cut down, but it is factually accurate with Halo canon. I think the information can be found on Joyride Studios' website, in the Halo figures section. Peptuck 18:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I searched for their site, and I'm getting redirects to a model page... they may have been hacked or something. Either way, it's unavailable. I downloaded a copy of The Flood off Demonoid, and I believe I'm almost done finishing with using it as a source, then I'll get rid of it. Dåvid Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 22:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Total Cleanup 

message: like lockyear if hes there then should be haversion and polisky
also same with yayap zuka should be there
this should list of minor halo characters
also the spartan III tom and someone else —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agentheartlesspain (talk • contribs) 22:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Polaski, Tom, Haverson, and the like have very, very little plot impact, unlike someone like Locklear who actually did something major in the plot of First Strike. If we went and had an entry for every minor character this article would be a bloated mess. Peptuck 04:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Zuka and Yayap are there, though wether they should is up in the air. As for the rest, they are commented out... David Füchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 23:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor characters

message: These last characters need to be sourced:
* Franklin Mendez
* Catherine Halsey
* SPARTAN-IIs (need to be made into paragraph form)
* Kurt-051
* Kalmiya
* Beowulf
* Zuka 'Zamamee
* Voro 'Mantakree
Also watch the tenses. David Fuchs(talk / frog blast the vent core!) 00:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Considerations 

message: I have failed the GA nomination for this article. Please see Wikipedia:What is a good article?. "Lists, portals, and images are not reviewed by the GA system." As this article is a list, it fails on this reason alone. I suggest that if you feel this article is of a high enough quality, it should be nominated as a featured list. -- Johnny06man 18:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded and underway. Peptuck 05:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA Nomination

message: Agentheartlesspain 21:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then add them already. Peptuck 03:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Because you're doing nothing but adding headers, not actual content. Peptuck 22:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: STILL MISSING THE SIIIs S3 SPARTANs III SPARTANs 3

message: can we get a different pic since the one up doesnt look that good
sarge looks sick or something or isant mad
Agentheartlesspain 20:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnson pic

message: his death in the article is not possible —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentheartlesspain (talk • contribs) 
:First off, please please please sign your name with four tildes. Secondly, how is it not possible? The book doesn't lie. David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 20:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the novel says he broke his neck after getting blown up by two frag grenades followed by a fusion detonation of the Pillar's engine core not five minutes later, I'd say the odds are excessively good that Zuka is on the Great Journey. Peptuck 20:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Ahem; this is the page:
“No!”he shouted, sure that one of the Grunts was responsible for the sudden  movement, and desperate lest the human escape his clutches. But it was too  late, and there was nothing the smaller aliens could do, as the elevator  continued to fall.  Then, even as his target vanished from sight, and ’Zamamee railed at his  subordinates, a couple of grenades tumbled down from above, rattled around  the floor, and exploded.  The force of the blast lifted the Elite up and out of his seat, gave him one last  look at his opponent, and let him fall. He hit with a thud, felt something  snap, and waited for his first glimpse of paradise. 
Cortana drops the lift, chief drops grenades, gets forced outta of his seat, sees his quarry, falls and dies. Nothing else needs to be said. David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 22:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zuka zamie

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Lordhoodhalo.JPG

message: The one thing besides the aforementioned sourcing we need in the this is to expand the lead; in other words, we need out of universe information such as who designed the characters, etc. Problem is, Bungie's never explicitly stated who did what. I think in the "Making of Halo 2" feature that shipped with Halo it noted the character designer, but should we just credit the design lead (Jason Jones, I believe) with the creation? David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 20:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  one more thing 

message: anyone second the suggestion for having a section for the ilovebees storyline? 66.118.230.101 22:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ILB's status as canon is still somewhat in flux. I say hold off on it, myself. Peptuck 01:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: i love bees characters

message: i thought deep winter was replaced by endless summber ai
ill check it soonAgentheartlesspain 22:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ai 

message: It is completely random, only put in a couple categories, so have like...you know A characters B characters etc. I would but I'm not overly familiar with Wikipedia.
:Characters are organized based on prominience and importance within the Halo series. That's why the Master Chief and Johnsoin are at the top of the UNSC section, and Cortana is at the top of the AI section, etc. Peptuck 01:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider alphabatizing this 

message: In the 2401 Penitent Tangent section, it is stated that it is the entity heard/seen on the Backwash multi-player map. Is there a source for that? The reason I ask is because I always assumed it was 343 Guilty Spark. I assume that because the map is very similar to the level "343 Guilty Spark" in the first Halo game. It is similar enough where I think it's safe to say that Backwash is definitely a direct interpretation of that level (The tower structure in the middle of the multi-player map is nearly identical to the tower in the "343 Guilty Spark" level of Halo 1, where you meet 343 Guilty Spark for the first time). --Nic.stage 04:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be like GS, but remember that all Halo 2 multiplayer maps take place on Delta Halo, so we can assume that the swamp is simple a doppleganger to the swamp on Installation 04. As for Tangent, it has to be him, as its the red eyed one and not blue like 343. David Fuchs 18:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. The red eye thing pretty much proves it's PT (I hadn't noticed that before, because I'm too busy getting killed because I can't see anything). Where is it stated that all of the Halo 2 multiplayer maps take place on Delta Halo? --Nic.stage 13:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading some of the descriptions implies strongly that they're on Delta Halo. Not to mention Relic or whatever the beach one is, there's a UNSC ship there, and it basically has to be from In Amber Clad. Oh yeah, and the one with the relay station, its explicitly stated that it has keep Delta Halo functioning. David Fuchs 13:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwash entity: 2401 Penitent Tangent or 343 Guilty Spark? 

message: This guy's canon, and he's been in all the Halo games to date. How come he isn't in this?--149.130.204.62 16:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because he's a canon character doesn't mean he is significant enough to include in here. Is he a significant character beyoind his amusing one-liners? Does he ever do anything even remotely important to the story beyond spout ing a few random bits of storyline dialogue and serving as another of many Marines you encounter during regular gameplay? Peptuck 17:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sergeant Stacker 

message: Their bios are copied directly from the Bungie announcement. They need to be rewritten to avoid copyvio. Userpietalk to me! 00:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything stopping you from changing something you feel needs to be changed. Peptuck 02:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inability to think of a rephrasing and no time. Userpietalk to me! 23:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Usze and N'tho