Talk:420 (cannabis culture)/Archive 1

message: I removed the reference to the movie The High and the Mighty for several reasons: first the movie makes no drug references at all.  the 420 flight number is merely a conicidence and the date of the film 1954 FAR predates even the earliest reference to the source of 420.  That judt doesn't seem to fly.  If anyone has documentation to show I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me.--Lepeu1999 20:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie, High and Mighty 

message: Isn't 4:20 celebrated because of the death of Bob Marley, a legendary cannabis smoker? Xephyrwing 00:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Marley 

message: Personally, I disagree with this page having the term "drug culture" in parenthases.  It should probably be noted somewhere on the page (and on the marijuana page as well) that marijuana isn't a drug.
Most specifically, marijuana (aka "hemp") is a plant that has many uses.  It just so happens that this plant contains a natural biochemical called THC which is often identified as a "drug" (as though it were a pharmacudical substance) by certain oppressive and anti-individualist cultures.
I'm not just ranting because I'm pro-marijuana, this is a technical issue that should bother anyone with half a brain.  Likewise, tobacco isn't a drug, it's merely a plant that happens to contain the natural "drug" known as nicotine.
Also, unless someone can prove unequivocally that people who smoke marijuana are involved in the use of actual drugs (heroine, cocaine, ecstasy, crystal methamphetamine, etc.) then it seems erroneous to classify something having to do with marijuana as a part of "drug culture".  Note that until the early 1900's, marijuana wasn't considered a drug, nor is it considered as such by some modern cultures.  This is a recent invention of fascist governments that wish to deny the rights of certain minority groups, and when viewed in terms of world history, the position that marijuana is a "drug" is a minority view (mainly because of how recent it is; the vast majority of people throughout history held no such position).
Anyway, th
:Appreciate your points, and agree that careful usage of the term 'drug' may not include the plant itself, but the term 'drug cutlure' is used to refer to people who smoke the plant, and ingest the drug for recreational purposes, whether legal or not. Wikipedia does not take a view on whether any particular item should be classified a certain way, it simply notes that it usually is. Some kind of caveat may be appropriate. Mark Richards 22:18, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether marijuana is a drug or not, 420 is still considered part of drug culture. But... we can always move it if there's a better name. I can't think of one though. --Headcase 08:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Marijuana seems to fit many of the definitions for the word drug in wiktionary.  Do people that claim it's not a drug have issue with the definitons there? Mathiastck 17:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Culture? 

message: I just became curious whether the Albert Hofmann bit was actually correct. It is, according to his book where a facsimile of his lab journal from April 19, 1943 reads:
:19. IV./16.20: 0,5 cc. von 1/2-promilliger wässeriger Tartrat-Lösg. v. Diäthylamid peroral 
:= 0,25 mg Tartrat. Mit ca. 10 cc. W. verdünnt geschmacklos einzunehmen.
Glad that Wikipedia proved reliable regarding this important fact ;)
regards, High on a tree 03:04, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Hofmann reference 

message: In 420 BC, the Mesopatamians fed their cattle cannabis as an alternative to wheat. - source?  Zoe 05:41, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
:Even with a confirmed source, this note seems quite ridiculous owing to the apparent specificity of the date. Did the Mesopatamians feed cows cannabis the year after or the year before? (or was it just a short lived experiment?)Guliolopez 15:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I was going to blow up over his one too. "Certainly they did it, as a reference to drug culture. And what is more, in 419 they stopped doing it." I think it should be taken out on account that it has nothing to do with encyclopedic aims of wikipedia. Divad 20:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mesopotamia 

message: Afternoon tea could be taken at 4.20pm? Well it could - and at 4pm etc. Secretlondon 23:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afternoon Tea? 

message: While travelling in Thailand some years ago, and staying with a "child of the sixties" who kept a private guest house for more "serious travellers", I commented on the fact that all the clocks in the longhouse were permanently stopped at 4:20. It was pointed out to me that (during more draconian times) a clocked stopped at 4:20 was a furtive signal to like minded visitors (and hopefully not to any "visiting" authority) that you were in safe company for smoking. Given that this retains some validity today, I am surprised not to see a mention of the "secret signal" practice in this article. Had I a more solid source than word of mouth from an aging stoner, I would add this note to the article proper myself. (Not that one more flaky reference would even be noticed in this entry) Guliolopez 15:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  4:20, stopped clocks and secret signals 

message: For a time during my senior year in high school, I worked for the yearbook staff. One submitted senior quote was:
 Print exactly as shown:
 4 years
 2 many memories
 -----------------
 0 regrets
After we realized what he was up to, we changed it to "Four years, too many memories, zero regrets". And that's my 420 story. -Branddobbe 04:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yearbook experience 

message: Many elements of this page were lifted verbatim, without attribution, from Phish.net. That source is listed at the bottom as an external source, but that doesn't justify or permit the wholesale taking of many many copyrighted sentences. Airumel 21:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing of info 

message: Removed:
:At the University of Vermont (UVM), students gather in the center of campus on April 20 every year at 4:20 p.m. to smoke marijuana. Generally, the police leave participants alone, though in recent years UVM authorities have made efforts to halt the annual event.
I don't think we should list every college that has a 4:20 4/20 smoking session. —alxndr (t) 18:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but some mention must be made of the number that do. Mathiastck 18:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed UVM's tradition 

message: * I have tried to weed out (geddit) the stuff that was off-topic or unrelated. I think we can safely leave out listing songs that happen to have lengths of 4:20, unless they have some other connection to marijuana (like the Boston example). The Doors' one wasn't even 4:20, more like 4:08 on the original version of LA Woman! I got rid as well of the references to Hitler, I find it highly unlikely that that is the origin of the term, and certainly if it were to be put back in, we would need a source that seriously debates that being the actual origin of the term. On the topic of sources, some would be nice, at the moment this reads like a bunch of coincidences that, although maybe seemed wondrous when they were realised, are simply patent original research without sources. Feel free to discuss any of the bits I took out (I'll have another look and see if I missed any other turkeys) but you have to admit this article was riddled with inaccuracies and irrelevancies, no? The only other thing that occurs to me, are we allowed to show a photo of a whole bunch of people contravening the law? Do we not need their permission or anything? Just a thought, I have no idea about these things.. Jdcooper 01:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial clean-up 

message: "Some members of the northern California medical marijuana community believe there is a link between the time 4:20 and the British concept of Teatime"
I have removed this bizarre claim to the talk page because there is no assertion of notability or verification. Please elaborate on why anyone thinks this and what they actually think (what is the link, etc), or better yet provide some sources, so the wikipedia community can discuss whether it is worth inclusion. Wikipedia is not a compendium of stoner conspiracies! Jdcooper 01:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Jdcooper request for source, but I'm afraid he is mistaken on another point.  Wikipedia is a compendium of stoner conspiracies! Mathiastck 18:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teatime? 

message: It seems like a lot of the 420 occurances in this article are coincidences, or the link is sketchy at best.  For example, since the article claims 420 originated in the 70s, why are there any references to it before then? --Frantik 07:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No need for coincidences in this article 

message: There was nothing in this artical about the Madison smokeouts at the state captial and school campus' which is the first theory i heard about.
* Add something then, be bold! Jdcooper 21:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true, many people would be better off eating it, taking a pill, etc.  The problem is that is a more expensive method of consumption, especially considering black markets have trouble taking advantage of economies of scale. Mathiastck 18:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madison smokeouts 

message: I think this page should be temporarily protected until 4/20 is over.  It's just too tempting a target for vandalism. One person's already tried to vandalize it twice today.  70.29.1.155 07:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Protection is not to be used in advance of possible vandalism.  Also, both instances were by the same user and if the user vandalizes again, they will be banned for 24 hours.  If this page becomes the target of widespread vandalism, then sprotection will be considered, but until then, the page doesn't need it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree it should not be protected, I think it's likely that a lot of productive work on the page will be done today :) Mathiastck 18:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary protection 

message: I am looking for sources to confirm or deny this, but I recall someone mentioning to me at some point that there was a band that would start their concerts at 4:30, and all the audience members would start smoking at 4:20 so they would be high by the time the band began to play. --Zanthra 08:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds preposterous to me. Rock band concerts are generally evening affairs, except for weekend "all ages" shows. If any band with a significant following insisted on playing only at 4:30 (AM? PM?) this idiosyncrasy would be notorious. If it's some obscure local band, seems unlikely to be the cause of a national phenom. And how many unknown bands can dictate starting times to their venues? Bustter 17:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word of mouth but a bit sensible 

message: i.e bob marley, pink floyd, etc. someone should make a list in the discussion of some good chill music when smoking. haha
: I think it already exists as a seperate entry, listing a certain category of music, (I can't recall the name) Mathiastck 18:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  good music for 420 

message: Perhaps there should be something here of the tradition of a large gathering of smokers going to Canada's Parliament Hill on 4/20 and lighting one up by the centennial flame? ;) Rizla 20:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 20th events and traditions 

message: The same HP Lovecraft reference occurs multiple places in the article.  Someone should remove all but the first (there are two that I noticed; there could be more) once the page is unprotected.
KASchmidt 21:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  H.P. Lovecraft 

message: I see references to April 20 as Hitler's birthday have been removed, but I think they should be left in.  Wikipedia's article on Hitler does cite his birthdate as April 20, 1889.  This should at the very least be left in "Other plausible suggested origins", since it is.  I've heard this explanation more than others.  --LakeHMM 04:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's common knowledge that he was born on 4/20... savidan(talk) (e@) 23:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the birthdate of one of history's most famous celebrities is common knowledge, but we need a source that that is anything other than utter coincidence. Jdcooper 00:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: commonly associated? Not in my experience, nor has any citation shown so. I said it before and I will say it again: When unsure, an error of omission is preferable to an error in fact. And 'One smoker explained' is not a proper citation. HighInBC 16:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the only citation.  There's a link.  And I'm not unsure as to whether or not it is a "possible suggested origin".  I am absolutely positive it is.  --LakeHMM 19:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, because that link details various different theories, and it is listed as one. I reworded the passage slightly to clarify why the fact that it was Hitler's birthday would lead to it being a significant thing for smoker's to celebrate. Jdcooper 19:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler's Birthday 

message: Chapter 6, of Division 10 of California's Health and Safety Code, which implements a medical marijuana identification card programme was passed as Senate Bill 420 (2003).
: Source?  This seems worthy of mention, drug culture references in State codes?  I dig it :) Mathiastck 19:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SB 420 

message: I'm not sure if this should be included, so I'll say it here and hope others will decide.
In the 2006 Film "Failure to Launch" the house where the main character Tripp lives with his parents has the street number 420.
208.182.181.58 15:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failure to Launch 

message: I think the layout of this article needs sort of cleanup. What do you think? --Deryck C. 16:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I removed the reference to the system of a down song, because it was too speculative. What exactly does "It was supposed to be 4:20 long" mean? And the lyrics were about cannabis, so what? Lots of songs are about cannabis, if it was 4:04 then it doesnt belong here. And I'm unconvinced generally that bands deliberately write songs to be 4:20. Jdcooper 10:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * I did a look at about 8000 songs a while back, and the amount that were 4m20s fit statistical likelyhood. For what it is worth. HighInBC 17:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peephole 

message: Anyone else deem this link worthy? http://thatvideosite.com/view/2270.html ? savidan(talk) (e@) 23:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He'd have won the electric guitar if only he'd stuck with 420, but he boosted to 1420. There's a note on the page that the site will be redesigned, I'd wait and see what the valid link would be after the redesign. Bustter 15:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny elink 

message: With respect to your kind good-faith comments, this is the text on the source site: A final but certainly not exhaustive explanation is that 420 originated from Adolf Hitler's birthday. One smoker explained: "Hitler represents in sharp opposite contrast all that the marijuana-smoking community stands for.". Surely this is implying that the term derived from Hitler's birthday as a kind of ironic statement, a big middle finger up to Hitler? I am fine with this staying here, as long as it is sourced (which it never has been before) as long as it is written in this way. To include Hitler's birthday is April 20, but Hitler has nothing to do with stoner culture is not a "possible origin theory", it is either a "refuted urban legend" or plain original research which does not belong. I am not "stubborn" about anything but having sources for controversial claims. Jdcooper 00:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To LakeHMM 

message: Their famous song "Come Together," which is a huge part of drug culture is 4:20 long on the CD version. Coincidence?
*yes, coincidence. the term was not in use at the point that that song was released, and statistically speaking, 4:20 is pretty much one of the most likely durations a song can have. please do not add any reference to this, it has been removed several times before and continues to be unencyclopaedic and irrelevant. Jdcooper 02:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles 

message: I have removed a post due to personal attacks. It can be found here. HighInBC 15:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Please refrain from making threats to cultural groups. This is not the correct website for such views. If you present a more articulate argument based on established facts then you will find a better reception to your ideas. HighInBC 15:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal attacks removed 

message: Any link between 420 and the Columbine High School massacre which occurred on 20 April 1999? --Kvasir 06:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, 1 out of 365.26 events occur on April 20th, being on the same day is not enough, some kind of further connection needs to be shown to indicate it is related to the 420 cannabis culture (which is after all the topic of this article.). This is the same reason I removed the Hitler's birthday reference. 1 out of every 365.26 historical figures was born on April 20th. The Columbine massacre is no more relevent here than on the bowling article, as that is what they were doing just before the attack. HighInBC 20:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that the Columbine massacre was planned for 4/20 not because of marajuana, but because it was Hitler's birthdayBassman444 14:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: A Google search columbine & 4/20 & marijuana reveals that this is a persistent myth (over 11k hits). Since no one living is privy to the planning, a connection cannot be denied definitively. This should be mentioned, along with the fact that there is no evidence to support the connection so many have made. Bustter 15:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Even though it may be a myth that Columbine was planned around 4/20 for the reason of 4/20's connection to marijuana, it's just like HighInBC said.  One out of every 365.26 events occurs on 4/20. Perhaps putting in a reference that says somethihng to the effect of that there are many myths involving events that have taken place on 4/20, and a pointer to the page for April 20th? --Junaos 17:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, 11,000 hits for columbine AND 4/20 AND marijuana demonstrates that a startling number of people believe, and are spreading, the trope that Columbine is connected to the 420/marijuana phenom. Obviously this requires mention; avoiding its mention out of a desire to keep marijuana culture "untainted" -- which is what we have right now -- is itself a violation of NPOV. Bustter 17:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbine High School massacre 

message: The article says that in the show "Good Eats" the clocks are set to 4:20, but I haven't found this to be the case. I was wondering if anyone could cite episodes and scenarios that showed clocks set to 4:20. 68.53.231.172 01:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Eats 

message: I don't remeber the episodes but the analog clock in the background while he's talking to the camera read 4:20 MPaquette 15:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: good eats 

message: I decided to remove the "Marilize Legajuana" reference from slang terms, because I saw no relevance to the topic (420)...is there any relevance here that I wasn't aware of?
--Junaos 03:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang Terms 

message: MORE EASTER EGGS.  Night Stand, the top rated clock application for apple mobile products thumbnail is set to 420  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.196.48.179 (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: someone changed the edit I made so that the article again reads Abe Lincoln said something about "sweet hemp" when there is no single other reference to this quote other than the article that is cited.  The author of the cited article has no sources or even explanation for where this quote came from and thus it is unsound to put that in this article as fact.  I am changing it again.  If you think it should stay please explain why.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dankerydotjah420net (talk • contribs) 06:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I've read several times that the "legend" of 420 (and what I've read is essentially what is reported here) is just that...legend. Or apocryphal. Or, at best, unverified. I don't know enough to say whether the references cited here are sufficient proof or not. PurpleChez (talk) 21:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

text: i believe the reason national pot day is referred to as 420 is becasue that was the date of the first pro-cannabis rally.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.183.132 (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions and Concerns q 

message: I was reading the protocol of the first LSD-Trip written by Albert Hofmann, the inventor of that drug. He starts his test at 4:20 pm on the the so called "bicycle day". This was 04/19/1943. Does any one of you ever heard of that possible origin of the 420 number? Maybe the kids of that high school choosed that time because it was the time LSD was taken the first time.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.61.253.186 (talk) 08:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LSD 

message: The reference to "light up" needs to be re-added. It's fully cited and if you check the links you'd see that one of the citations states that it's a "Pot 10 Classic Rock Song" Austin Chronicle. Why was it deleted? 24.99.202.64 (talk) 19:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styx 

message: Information about the 420 Campaign was removed on 27 March on the grounds that it was "off-topic and promotional."  These claims seem unfair.  I'm returning the section to the article on the grounds that various marijuana groups have recently employed the 4/20 date as one for consciousness-raising and political activity. Hiplibrarianship (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than taking the name for their cause I see no connection. All of the linked citations referred to the cause and made no reference of 420 other than naming the campaign. While I am sure the campaign has embraced 420, it does not really seem they they have much to do with the term. I have also embraced 420 in my personal life, but that does not mean I am relevant to the article. س (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article isn't about "embracing 420" -- it is about the use of the number in cannabis culture.  Marijuana reform efforts (by various groups) that take place on April 20 (or encourage political action to take place on April 20) clearly fits within the scope.  The naming of the campaign is tied to the April 20 date itself, specifically because that date has increasingly been associated with cannabis culture observances.  The use of the 420 number/date could not be more clearly connected to cannabis culture than in the name and focus of the 420 Campaign.  The section was deleted by vandalism on 15 April, and I am restoring it to the article. — Hiplibrarianship (talk) 02:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Well I think that other than the fact that they have chosen to associate themselves with 420 that there is not much else. I will however defer to the opinions of others in this matter and see if any further consensus forms. س (talk) 05:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  420 Campaign 

message: There seems to be an inaccuracy in the first paragraph: it mentions the "Bradley Elementary" statue, whereas (as implied by the picture at the bottom of the article -- why at the bottom I wonder???) it should be the Louis Pasteur statue... CielProfond (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just someone posing, it has been corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. س (talk) 15:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  April 20 2008, G4 TV interviewed the "Waldos" and they confirmed most of what is in the article, including shots of The Actual Pasteur Statue: http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/videos/21343/The_Waldos_Truth_Behind_420.html?videoCategory_key=8 (might be good as an External Link?) 199.214.26.9 (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Now that is interesting. س (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradley or Pasteur? 

message: Is there any reason for the bizarre mention of Stills?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamandrewssoul (talk • contribs) 18:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen Stills? 

message: None of these are appropriate where they were formerlly located as External links. However some looked reasonably reliable sources and may prove to be useful if anyone wishes to improve the article.-- The Red Pen of Doom 17:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential sources 

message: * The Power of 420: Transforming the universal code into a collective consciousness for stoners. Karen Bettez Halnon, originally published in High Times, May 2003.
* Capitalist buzz builds around stoner ‘holiday’. Mike Stuckey, MSNBC, 16 April 2008.
* High Holy Day for Potheads. Wired News, April 20, 2001.
* 420 Campaign: Strategy for Legalization archive of related articles
* What 420 Means: The True Story Behind Stoners' Favorite Number. Huffington Post article filed by Ryan Grim 4/20/09  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.71.207.172 (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  potential source list 

message: http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/420.asp
This article should be expanded debunking some of the most common misconceptions.  For years, I thought 420 was the penal code for a marijuana offense in California.  Not so.  Of course it needs better sources than a Snopes page, but I don't have the time right now.--Muboshgu (talk) 12:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been consensus in the past that there was no point in listing all the ways that 420 did not come about. There are literally hundreds and they are not well documented by independent reliable sources. Chillum 14:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it should be added to the article that there are many stories surrounding the origin of 420. Thepillow (talk) 09:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Anyone is welcome to research and present reliable sources to support new content. Chillum 17:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snopes 

message: Is there any connection with this number and Adolf Hitler's birthday? 勇敢な要素 (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its purely a coincidence. Outback the koala (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 20th 

message: Hey yinz guys how come there ain't a mention of San Francisco in this here wiki? Golden Gate park is filled with folk smoking that marijuana every 20th of April. Eh?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.137.24 (talk) 10:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Francisco 

message: I've been a student at UC Santa Cruz for almost two years now and I know for certain that 4-20 is celebrated at UCSC. 76.126.21.16 (talk) 18:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  UC Santa Cruz 

message: I'd like to try to get a few people together to help me rewrite this article.  It's really not helpful or informative at the moment, and continuing to add on sections about specific regional and collegiate celebrations is really making this thing look sloppy.  I mean, frankly, it's so bad, even I'm making jokes about how lazy potheads are.  I don't really think I can/want to tackle this thing on my own, but if anyone else out there wants to help me out, I think we could really make something better than this junk.  Any takers? --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: The information about the Philippines seems not really relevant. I think the statement made about this country is valid for many countries, so why mention it specifically for this country? Furthermore, it lacks a source. I'm removing the statement. Feel free to reverse if you disagree (with argumentation please) Thepillow (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines 

message: Please edit the following sentence " The teens would meet after school at 4:20 p.m. to smoke marijuana at the Louis Pasteur statue."
This is factually incorrect.  The teens would meet after school at 4:20 p.m. to attempt to find a plot of marijuana plants that a Coast Guard service member supposedly abandoned.  It just so happened that they would smoke marijuana on their way to locate the plot.  Please correct this.  Thank you.  Source follows:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/420-meaning-the-true-stor_n_543854.html
Kurtdh (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Cleaned up the wording to match sources. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 21:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Kurtdh, 20 April 2010 

message: Some 2010 sources referring to 420:
* CBS News
* ABC News
* The Associated Press
* NBC Bay Area
* MTV
Relating to Colorado:
* Marijuana Rallies Planned To Mark "4/20"
* 4/20 at CU-Boulder: Pro-pot crowd gathering on Norlin, police issuing tickets
--Another Believer (Talk) 21:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 sources 

message: Although there are apparently multiple ways to express the term; I suggest that the article at least be consistent in the one it selects. Some are even in quotes while others are not. "420" and '420'. --JimmyButler (talk) 11:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  4:20 4/20 420 

message: Can someone with confirmed privileges redirect this link to April 20th? This is the second sentence in the article.
Farley13 (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request - 4/20 leads to April 4th not April 20th 

message: At the top, [4/20] is sometimes referred to as "Pot Day". The link goes to april 4th, it should be april 20th.
81.100.245.194 (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 15:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 81.100.245.194, 21 April 2010 

message: The cable TV channel G4 "celebrated" 4/20 by playing Half Baked (among other stoner comedies) and even going to every commercial with a "Happy 4/20" title card. The Colbert Report also observed the day.
This isn't much in terms of information for the article, but it does show that 4/20 has been getting a little more mainstream every year. Maybe something to keep in mind for a future section? - tbone (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV coverage 2010 

message: The fact that "420" was concieved in 1971 is false. 
Source: The 13th Floor elevators recorded "Slip inside this house" in 1967. A reference to "4 and 20" is in the lyrics.
psycodelia rocks!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_Inside_This_House
http://www.texaschapbookpress.com/magellanslog3/slipinside.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.188.209 (talk) 22:05, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Four and twenty birds of Maya" are the lyrics in question. It's WP:SYNTH to assume there is any relation to that line and the current usage. See this page for an explanation of all of the lyrics (including that line).  OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially given that it is obviously a reference/homage to the "four and twenty blackbirds" of the old nursery rhyme. --Khajidha (talk) 13:29, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-1971. Sorry kids. 

message: What the hell is a picture of a statue of Louis Pasteur doing on this page?
Is there a purpose?
Cowik (talk) 05:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about reading the first paragraph about the origins of the term before posting this question? --89.15.9.65 (talk) 09:19, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Pasteur? 

message: Please consider a revision to the last sentence of paragraph two under origin:
He would go on to attribute the early spread of the phrase among Deadheads.[7]
This doesn't make sense as written.  Perhaps he attributes the early spread of the phrase to Deadheads, or he popularized the phrase among Deadheads. who were responsible for the term spreading beyond the readership of high times.   Or some other intention of the author.
Thanks!
Jman53705 (talk) 16:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: the content was added by someone whose series of edit summaries include "fix LOL sorry enjoying the day" - so perhaps s/he will be able enter a more coherrent explanation of what the source says at a later date. -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: pls fix statment at will - all can see the source.Moxy (talk) 17:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: (not everyone, some nanny monitors dont really care for that source) -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

text: sources says "One reason is because San Rafael is the home to the Grateful Dead and 420 spread for many years within the Deadhead community before it appeared on the Hemp 100 in HIGH TIMES".Moxy (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 20 April 2012 

message: Just curious how the addition of the unveiling of the Willie Nelson status in Austin on 4/20 at 4:20 in observance of 420 was removed by TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) because "we are an encyclopedia not a travel brochure for pot fests."  What makes that observance inappropriate while others are listed.  I'm not trying to be confrontational on the issue, I'm curious.  I suppose it should have merely been listed as one of the cities in which observances have taken place with a reference to the news source?  Thanks pobrien (talk)
:The edit summary referred to the general content of my edit rollback. The Willie Nelson statue content was included in that roll back and not re-added because link is to a facebook page, not a reliable source. Sorry I didnt specify in the edit summary itself. -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* April 20 observances */ addition of the Willie Nelson Status unveiling in Austin, TX 

message: The top picture of people gathering on 4/20 is UCSC but is labeled Porter College. Article is locked until 10/12/12 so I cannot make change. Could someone please correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.200.149.30 (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry, UCSC is the BOTTOM picture, Porter is the top picture. 12.200.149.30 (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: It says 420 is used "primarily in North America and the United Kingdom", but at university in the UK I've never heard the term. It is also not used in the article Cannabis in the United Kingdom. The 420 article only cites references for the US, I've deleted the mention until more info is provided. I suspect it is used by a few people in the UK but is not commonly known, so it's therefore accurate to say it's used "primarily in North America". Gymnophoria (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: there is coverage of the 4/20 day events in a couple of places in New Zealand. -- The Red Pen of Doom 14:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage outside North America 

message: Please Change This:
Origins
The earliest use of the term began among a group of teenagers in San Rafael, California in 1971.[2][3] Calling themselves the Waldos,[4] because "their chosen hang-out spot was a wall outside the school,"[5] the group first used the term in connection to a fall 1971 plan to search for an abandoned cannabis crop that they had learned about.[4][6] The Waldos designated the Louis Pasteur statue on the grounds of San Rafael High School as their meeting place, and 4:20 p.m. as their meeting time.[5] The Waldos referred to this plan with the phrase "4:20 Louis". Multiple failed attempts to find the crop eventually shortened their phrase to simply "4:20", which ultimately evolved into a codeword that the teens used to mean pot-smoking in general.[6]
High Times editor Steven Hager wrote "Are You Stoner Smart or Stoner Stupid?" in which he called for 4:20 p.m. to be the socially accepted hour of the day to consume cannabis.[7] He attributes the early spread of the phrase to Grateful Dead followers, who were also linked to the city of San Rafael.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)
To This: 
The Bebes are a group of athletes from San Rafael, CA, who went to San Rafael High School in 1970. They lived in the same neighborhood called Peacock Gap, which was a golf course, surrounded by houses. They were well known for their prank phone calls and recordings. Brad Bann aka The Bebe was the leader of the group and was joined by all of his friends, whom he ordained and named as well. There was Dave Dixon aka Wild Du, his brother Dan Dixon aka Puff, Dave Anderson aka Hello Andy, Tom Thorgersen aka Thorgy, Bone Boy, Blue, The Mead, Turkey & The Worm.
The Waldos are a group of non athletic guys from San Rafael, CA, who went to San Rafael High School in 1970. They were known for being uncoordinated and goofy, which is why The Bebe nicknamed them all Waldos. There was Steve Capper and David Reddix who have gone public with their names, Patrick, Larry, Jeff, John and Mark, who have not gone public as of yet. While these guys may have been responsible for promoting 420 across country, there is no question that they did not coin the term and have been dishonest with the world from day one. True credit goes to The Bebe and his brotherhood of Bebes.
Brad Bann aka the Bebe coined the term 420 and the Waldos carried the term across the U.S. on tour with the Grateful Dead. I took the torch in 1993 and promoted 420 to the world via my website/s, reaching over 20 million people a year, totaling over 420 million people worldwide. Now there are billions of us.
Sources:
Here is the full article.
http://www.420magazine.com/2012/10/the-true-origin-of-420-setting-the-record-straight/ 
Here is the press release on PRWeb.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb10013410.htm 
The420guy (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: not done at this time. PR web is as you stated, a Press Release regurgitation site. It is not a reliable source with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. So there is one source for this story- which is one guy saying that he believes one group of people over a different group of people. Do you have other sources that support the Bebes claim? Otherwise per WP:UNDUE we go with the most widely accepted version. 11:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

text: The above text is simply a copy and paste from here.Moxy (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 October 2012 

message: why is 420 limited to pm on this information site? 4:20 also happens in the early morning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.60.231 (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You personally can celebrate WHENEVER you want! The content in the article however, needs to be supported by reliable sources that make the claim. If you have one, present it and the content can be added. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  well, not legally. It's just the date itself, really. Have fun in prison, by the way! Joesolo13 (talk) 02:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

text: its a good enough source to state that some sources also include 4:20am) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  4:20 am 

message: So we have some info trying to be inserted referanced to The True Origin of 420 – Setting The Record Straight. Lets see what others say about this. I have removed the Bio like additions that were more about the people then the term. So what to do...???? -- Moxy (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  420magazine.com 

message: When I grew up there were a number of slang terms for Marijuana. Among the most common were "13", "M", rope and others I can't remember. The Hells Angles all wore a patch with the number 13 indicating their use and association with Pot. 13 is the numerical position to the letter M in the alphabet. In the olden days. rope, particularly marine dock lines were made from hemp which when burned had the aroma of marijuana. It would be nice to capture this somewhere. Maybe I'll start an article for Marijuana slang along the lines of the 420 article. Gotta get some sources though.  -- Cdw ♥'s ♪ ♫(talk) 21:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest starting with beefing up the content at Drug_culture#Cannabis_subculture before hatching a new article. At some point the section could become sufficient to spin off into a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang terms 

message: I'm Steve Hager and I played a major role in promoting 420 around the world. I was the first person to do 420 ceremonies outside of Marin County, in fact, starting in 1990. I have video of many of the early 420 ceremonies I did at the Cannabis Cup in the 1990s, an event I created. Mike Edison wrote a hatchet job about his brief tenure at High Times. I was editor for over 20 years. he did not accept anything I was doing at any time, especially my ideas about 420, although I was interviewed about 420 by ABC and put the link at the bottom of this page. Edison to this day insists we don't know who created 420. This is false. The Waldos of San Rafael have plenty of evidence to support their claim to having created the code, including postmarked letters from 1971. Coincidences around the number, like Hitler's birthday or Rainy Day Women have nothing to do with the code the Waldos created for pot. When Edison says I tried to suppress other stories, that is a lie. I suppressed nothing. I did research the origins and write about it. Yes, the truth does replace the lies, if you are lucky, that's what it is supposed to do. Meanwhile people like Edison just continue to support the fake stories, like it was a police code, which is sheer nonsense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Temple Dragon (talk • contribs) 10:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) The claims of an anonymous account to be a living person must be verified through the WP:OTRS before we can accept the claims of identity as authentic. 2) The area of expertise of Hager is as the publisher of a pot magazine, not as a historian. Hagers statements here or in his magazine will only carry weight as his opinion not as declarations of fact.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

text: 2)"420" is in fact "police radio code" in the Bay Area for "juvenile disturbance". While there is no proof that "420" in cannabis culture refers to police code, it is incorrect to state that "420" is "sheer nonsense" or not a criminal or police code for anything, as has been stated by many including the current page on Snopes.com.
http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/San_Francisco%2C_City_%26_County_of_Public_Safety
http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/420.asp
Theaternearyou (talk) 19:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims and counter claims 

message: Why is there no criticism section in this article? Not everyone thinks this holiday is actually much of a holiday or even a good holiday or if it even helps the 'legalize marijauna' crowd. That and they chose a rather terrible day, Hitler's Birthday, to host it. Thats not what its about sure, but its not exactly much of a booster to yor efforts if you use the day of the birth of the worst dictator in history as a day to celebrate getting high. And in case you're wondering, yes I do think 4/20 is a stupid holiday and there should be some kind of criticism section in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.96.7 (talk • contribs) 14:07, October 2, 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps because no criticism exists in reliable sources? –xeno (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a good idea, in my opinion (and it has nothing to do with the fact that I really love weed). Unlike Christmas or Halloween, or any other holiday for that matter, 420 isn't an official holiday, but rather an unofficial celebration (like Bicycle Day is for acid), there isn't a specific way of celebrating it (unlike Halloween with the costumes and Xmas with the tree and shit), it's not an official rule that celebrations most include getting stoned and protesting, so there's nothing to criticise, really. I think you're just trying to shove a bit anti-weed propaganda into the article. "They chose a rather terrible day, Hitler's Birthday" - you make it sound as if it was chosen because of that reason, knowingly... they didn't choose "Hitler's birthday", they chose a date that is (coincidently) also Hitler's birthday.Plus, I'm Jewish and you can rest assured that I'm not offended by this coincidence, and if someone is offended, he's a fucktard. —Saltywood (talk) 13:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: First of all, it originated around the time of 4:20, not a date of 4/20.  Secondly, the two events are coincidental, there is no relationship between the annual celebration of 420 and Hitler's birthday.  Thirdly, if properly citied criticism exists, it belongs in the article.--Pchov (talk) 04:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: but is it really coincidential? 95.208.187.120 (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is all a giant conspiracy of pothead neo-nazis because getting stoned is a great way to pay tribute to Hitler. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism? 

message: 420 is common term in Indian subcontinent used for someone who is a thief/trickster/clever in mischievous way. The origin of the word goes long before it's use in the US for cannabis. The word originates by Penal Code of 1860 instituted by the colonial government of British India. Section 420 covers offences relating to cheating and dishonestly. Maybe there should be reference in this article about it's origin in Indian subcontinent. 
I am pretty sure someone from Indian subcontinent (pakistan, india, bangladesh), probably students, tricked some American pot smokers into using the word for themselves back in 1960s or 1970s. What else could explain that weird coincidence? In that sense they were "420" (mischievous trickster) who tricked people into using a (bad) Indian slang for themselves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.50.116 (talk) 22:10, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  420 in Indian subcontinent 

message: PEOPLE'S PARK  
In 1965, New Yorker, Stew Albert, moved to California following the beginning of the Free Speech Movement taking place during the 1964–1965 academic year on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley.  The movement stemmed from the university administration's ban of on-campus political activities.  There he met Chicagoan, Stewart Albert, a member of the soon to be notorious Chicago 8, and Jerry Rubin, from Ohio.  Together they traveled back and forth to New York, NY, where together with Paul Krassner and several others, founded the Youth International Party in December 1967, nicknamed the Yippies.  
The Yippie Party was anti-war, pro marijuana, pro free speech, pro black power, and loosely organized.  Yippie became the nickname for the group and title given to radicalized hippies.  As Paul Krassner wrote, "We needed a name to signify the radicalization of hippies, and I came up with Yippie as a label for a phenomenon that already existed, an organic coalition of psychedelic hippies and political activists. In the process of cross-fertilization at antiwar demonstrations, we had come to share an awareness that there was a linear connection between putting kids in prison for smoking pot in this country and burning them to death with napalm on the other side of the planet."   The Yippie flag was frequently seen at anti-war demonstrations.  The flag had a black background with a five-pointed red star in the center, and a green cannabis leaf superimposed over it.  Yippies organized marijuana "smoke-ins" across North America through the 1970s and into the 1980s.  The first YIP smoke-in was attended by 25,000 in Washington, D.C. on July 4, 1970. 
On 18 April 1969, Stew Albert, back at Berkeley, wrote an article in the Berkley Barb, calling for the community to organize and beautify a UC Berkley campus lot the University had been neglecting after they had demoed several campus buildings on the site over a year earlier.
On 20 April 1969 (4/20) hundreds of students and residents came forward to beautify the lot into a park, and create a speaking platform (the People's Stage) for free speech.  Although the park received great support from the community and professors, the Governor of California, Ronald Reagan, was cracking down on communist/socialist movements on California's college campuses.  His targeting of the park, led to the May 15, 1969, "Bloody Thursday" riot.  That morning California law enforcement took control of the park, and by the late afternoon thousands of protesters, incited by Student Counsel President and leader in the local Students for a Democratic Society (a Socialist movement which would later evolve into Weather Underground), arrived to take back the park.  Over the next 5 days, local police, Alameda County Sheriff Deputies, Highway Patrol and National Guard Soldiers squared off against thousands or rioters and protesters leading to hundreds injured, and the death of James Rector and a police officer.
In 1967 Jerry Rubin had run for Mayor of Berkley.  In 1970 Stew Albert ran for Sherriff of Alameda County, mostly out of his furor of how he and his friends had been treated during the riots.  Both lost, but gained huge notoriety for their cause, even getting featured on Saturday Night Live.  
The University kept the lot guarded and fenced for the next three years, voting in June 1970 to turn the lot into a sports field and parking lot.  In May of 1971, as construction activity began at the site, more riots were started leading to more violence and multiple arrests.  In May 1972, after President Richard Nixon announced his intention to mine North Vietnam's main port, an outraged crowd tore down the perimeter chain-link wire fence surrounding the People's Park site and began to destroy the construction site.  Finally In September 1972, the Berkeley City Council voted to lease the park site from the university, and rebuilt the park.  For the Yippies this signified a major victory.  For High School students just 25 miles away in San Rafael, CA, the riots and news stories concerning the park were featured almost daily in the news.  The Peoples Park, and the 4/20 anniversary became a rallying cry for the New Left movement, much like "remember the Alamo."  
Usaparacop82 (talk) 04:28, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: No reliable source provided for such a massive edit Cannolis (talk) 13:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2014 

message: I don't know the origin, but as a student at the University of Michigan (1969-1973) I can tell you that the 'Hash Bash' was celebrated on the 'Diag' in the center of campus every April 20th. The campus police kindly kept a low profile (it was only a misdemeanor ticket in the early 70's).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.121.69.102 (talk) 01:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Riiiiiiight. Got a source? -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL! Not everything that Bob ever said is fraught with multiple layers of significance. PurpleChez (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Funny that you should suggested that Dylan wasn't involved in cannabis culture.  Bob Dylan told High Times magazine's Larry Jaffe that he didn't know "who first turn him onto pot", but "a lot of pot was smoked".  He also talked in an interview in Playboy in 1963 about how Rainy Day Women DID talk about marijuana, and its being banned from radio airwaves.  There was even talk of Dylan turning The Beatles onto pot.  This to me is just as much of a connection of "420" to pot as there ever will be.  --MahJesus  —Preceding undated comment added 18:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: It is just the same number. There needs to be a documented connection. Seriously the number 420 comes up all over, that does not mean it is connected with this cultural phenomenon. Looking at things and finding connections is original research which is normally all fine and well, but Wikipedia does not accept original research. ⚗ Dr. StrangeBong ⚗ (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people thinks it's younger than 1971.  I hear people saying it's from Smokin'_(Boston_song).  This is just in casual talk, and that the group of kids claiming in 1971 are just full of it.  Can't find any die hard sources. Xmzx (talk) 19:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

text: To expect concrete information regarding something that has been illegal and underground is unreasonable and useless. The entire discourse revolving around marijuana has been laden with subtext and specific language and terminology not mentioned in concrete sources out of fear of governmental retribution. I seriously suggest we remove that section from the introduction and  into the body of the article where any issues can be documented and addressed. OhYeah098765 (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Here's an interesting detail, Finnish artist Vesa-Matti Loiri released his debut solo album "4+20" (fi:4+20) in 1971. In my opinion there's no way this term could have been known in the most remote country of Europe the same year it was invented. It must be much older. --Joe Kaniini (talk) 13:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "420" is older than 1971! 

message: It might be noted that 420 was the flight number of John Wayne's airplane in the hit movie "The High and the Mighty".
:It might also be stated that Everest is the highest mountain in the world, but that wouldnt have any more relevance to the subject of the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia - John Wayne 

message: I doubt that the term "observance" is used correctly in this article. Maikel (talk) 10:39, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observance? 

message: * http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-420-explained-20170420-story.html
* http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/apr/20/420-becomes-part-of-the-dictionary-as-spokane-embr/
* http://montrealgazette.com/news/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-420-the-stoner-holiday
* http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/does-420-still-matter-w477104
* http://wtop.com/dc/2017/04/parties-protests-and-deals-pot-enthusiasts-observe-420/
* http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/20/420-how-brands-are-marking-the-day.html
* http://ktla.com/2017/04/20/annual-420-holiday-is-black-friday-for-marijuana-merchants/
* https://www.forbes.com/sites/debraborchardt/2017/04/20/420-is-the-black-friday-for-the-cannabis-industry/
* http://fox4kc.com/2017/04/20/420-holiday-celebration-for-supporters-of-legalized-marijuana/
* http://www.nbc29.com/story/35195175/ap-explains-the-origins-of-420-marijuanas-high-holiday
* http://registerguard.com/rg/life/cannabisculture/35353357-353/high-time-for-a-420-history-lesson.html.csp
---Another Believer (Talk) 20:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  2017 sources 

message: Not sure a news section for 2017 is what we are looking in any encyclopedia. Anyone else think that its  best Wikipedia not regurgitate regional news in an article like this? -- Moxy (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This seems to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. I've removed most of the section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:26, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it would be a good idea to summarize each year's events from 2017 onwards... --Fixuture (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  News section 

message: The origin of the term 420 in reference to marijuana is the result of the passage of California Senate Bill 420 in 2003.  I believe the origin described in Wikipedia is fictitious.  I challenge anyone to produce evidence of the term "420" being used in reference to marijuana prior to 2003. Louie Sam (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2017 

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message: Is it mere coincidence that Albert Hofmann had his self-experiment with LSD on 4/19/43 16:20  (which lasted untill 4/20)http://www.psychedelic-library.org/child.htm p.12?  Ristipikos (talk) 11:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is the real reason behind 420. A bunch of hippies gathering in parks to take acid on its anniversary. Passers by would just see them smoking pot and assumed it was a weed holiday. 199.241.224.113 (talk) 02:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Can it be coincidence that 20th April also happens to be Adolf Hitler's birthday? Nuttyskin (talk) 01:43, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a coincidence. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Or so the Germans would have you believe... --170.52.83.121 (talk) 02:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any connection with Bicycle Day? 

message: An editor has opened a Requested Move discussion at Talk:420 (disambiguation)#Requested move 6 September 2019. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
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