Talk:Billiard table

message: I think Pocket (billiards) should be merged into this article, what's the point of having it seperate? We can just mention that some tables don't have pockets or returns. 128.6.176.51 20:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Marking this "resolved" as someone did the merge. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[:Pocket (billiards)]] 

message: Suggesting the possibility of merging this with the Billiards table article.  There is much overlap, but still significant differences.  I guess a snooker table is a specific kind of billiards table.
StraussianNeocon 12:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Marking this "resolved" as someone did the merge. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[:Snooker table]] 

message: Would like to see more on the materials used to make the frame / legs and the manufacturing processes.  Could also mention pocket ball catching devices: string pockets -> parralel rails.
StraussianNeocon 12:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Materials and manufacture

message: From the article's lead: 
:"In the modern era, all billiards tables, regardless of whether for carom billiards, pocket billiards or snooker, provide a flat surface usually made of quarried slate..." 
What is the "modern era", or when did it start more or less? --ChaChaFut 03:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern era 

message: Does anyone mind if I scale down the Snooker section?  I think it should really be more of a stub, since Snooker has it's own article.  Just a thought Donny417 06:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest that the problem is more that the article is disorganized, and that the pool and carom sections need similar expansion.  I think the WikiProject Snooker folks would get upset if information were removed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 06:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well noted.  This messiness is due to a merge (Snooker table was once a separate article).  The article hasn't been properly re-written to handle the merge (short version: Needs all the common basic stuff at the top, then then differences explained for carom, pool and snooker tables.)  Feel free to work on it! >-) If you're greatly interested in the overall topic you may wish to participate more broadly in WikiProject Cue sports. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 22:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snooker table/Billiard table 

message: I'm not sure if UK pool tables should be included here or if they deserve their own subsection. I would go with the latter since there is more than one difference (dimensions, pocket apertures, and lack of diamond sights, to name a few). Either that, or put two subsections under "Pocket billiards tables". Any thoughts or comments on this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techin (talk • contribs) 07:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They should definitely be included. Someone added subsections that referred to these tables, but it was done in a confusing way and a lot of the material was just kind of redundant.  Because it seemed to mostly be motivated by a way to make British tables in particular seem special, instead of just another regional variant like Russian pyramid tables (also covered under pocket billiards), I just merged all this material into the "Pocket billiards (pool)" section, per WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE. I'm also going to remove references to World Pool-Billiard Association rules and specs as "American", since they're not. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 18:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocket billiards tables 

message: As the metric system is more widely used throughout the world, I believe it should be the standard in all wikipedia article, just as it is within the scientific community. Does anyone know whether or not wikimedia has any guidelines around that?
I'm not saying the imperial system should be removed altogether, it would be unfair to all the people who grew up with it. But it would make sense to have it in brackets (as opposed to the other way around).
--Crackettt (talk) 07:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) (or WP:MOSNUM for short). The talk page of Billiard table is not the place to propose a Wikipedia-wide standard; try WT:MOSNUM, and good luck.  This article, like Billiard ball, uses both US/imperial units and metric units for everything (or  – there may be some cases were editors have forgotten to provide a conversion). They are given in the order favored by the billiards/pool/snooker industry on a case by case basis. E.g., snooker table dimension are officially given in feet and inches, despite the specs being published in metric England, meanwhile the official specifications for carom billiards tables are given in metric units, even though Americans like to still call them "5x10 foot" tables. It might seems a tad inconsistent in article prose, but it is consistent with the reliable sources, which is more important (WP:Verifiability is an official Wikipedia policy, while stylistic matters are the subject of a non-policy guideline, the WP:Manual of Style). — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 19:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metric system 

message: --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  News article to consider for inclusion (novelty section) 

message: In the commentary just now on the Ding Junhui vs. Mark Williams match at the snooker world championships one of the commentators (I forget whether it was John Parrott or John Virgo) mentioned that the usual temperature of the under-table heaters is 50 degrees celsius, but because of the excessive bounce of the cushions seen in earlier rounds of this tournament it has now been set to 46 degrees. I'm too busy watching the match to look into this more now, but can anyone find any good sources to create a "temperature" subsection of the "Snooker and English billiards" section of this article? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It was John Virgo, who just mentioned it again. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temperature 

message: Shouldn't there be a sentence in the lede about the pocketless (Carom billiards) tables? That's why I came to the article in the first place and it seems like an obvious place to mention it. Anyone else agree?  __209.179.36.56 (talk) 00:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocketless tables 

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message: An anonymous editor flipped the MOS:ENGVAR of this page to British English from American, on the basis that some British English was already used in it. This was actually all confined to the snooker section.
The page began in American English in 2004, and continued in it after it was no longer a stub in 2006. The only British English in it was introduced by merging some snooker material.  Thus we would normally revert back to AmEng.
However, I've left this change as-is, and re-tagged the page as a BrEng article to match its present content.  I think this makes sense, despite my initial "revert ENGVAR changes" reaction, because:
* The topic has no strong national or regional tie to the US or North America versus the UK.
* While it has no  tie to the UK, it has a  one.  While originating in France, the game was played in Britain before what is now the US and Canada, and predominantly came to North America by way of Britain and to a lesser extent France.  Both the major types of table – pocketless carom tables and pocketed ones, which include pool and snooker/English billiards tables – existed in the UK before the US was even an idea, and long before the dialects firmly diverged in the late 18th to early 19th century.
* As a practical matter, it's jarring to have snooker material written in American English, because the game is rarely played in North America other than by immigrants (only about one out of 20 pool halls in North America provide a snooker table, and they're virtually unheard of in bars and homes; there is not a single North American snooker table manufacturer still in existence, and tables are imported from the UK, Hong Kong, etc.).  Consequently, it will be long-term difficult, frustrating, and probably pointless to normalize this article to AmEng and try to keep it that way, because snooker editors are always going to "correct" things like color and center to colour and centre in the snooker material, and then others will either fight this, or normalize the rest of the material to BrEng.  Insisting on AmEng on nothing but a "it was used first" technicality will no buy us anything but a "slow editwar".
* Snooker is more popular per capita in Canada than the US (Canada has produced several world-championship-level pro players, the US never has), and Canadian English uses centre almost exclusively and predominantly uses colour; this leaves US English as the odd one out here.
* It is not jarring for general cue sports material to be written in BrEng; only for snooker material in particular to be written in AmEng.  Where terminology widely diverges we're already providing "translation" between BrEng and AmEng terms, in the entire category of articles.
In short, I'm not imposing the change (an anon did), but am declining to WP:BRD it, because I think ENGVAR's instruction to use talk-page discussion to reach a consensus is the best course of action on this.  
Possible effect on other articles: 
* I think this should also affect the Billiard ball article (the same colour/color, centre/center, baulk/balk issues will arise there in discussion of balls and placement, and its detailed section on snooker will lead to exactly the same ENGVAR conflict as at the present article).
* It should not affect Billiard hall or Cue stick, because "the colour balls" and "the centre line" and "the baulk line" have no intrinsic relation to sticks or venues. 
* It should also not affect Cue sports techniques, since the majority of the source material in print in the English language are in AmEng, including by a landslide the professional-grade material on techniques; most snooker publications are beginner works, and those that are not primarily focus on aiming, speed, strategy and other less technical material; things like jump and massé shots are rare in snooker except for trick-shot exhibitions, and snooker tables do not have the diamond system, so all the bank, kick, and other technical information about that is confined to pool and carom, not snooker and English billiards (and even carom is primarily an American sport within the anglosphere, and primarily an Asian and continental European sport world-wide, with very little penetration in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, or other Commonwealth English countries, aside from Hong Kong and Singapore, which are tiny and in which English is not the primary language).
* Finally, it also should not affect Glossary of cue sports terms, which is written on a per-entry basis, though is defaulting to AmEng for shared topics, since the bulk of the material (like 95% of it) was written by Americans with American sources.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  English dialect 

message: What are the superscript numbers that follow the citations, e.g. at citations 1 and 2? Surely they lead nowhere and should be deleted? Billsmith60 (talk) 23:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  References Numbering