Talk:Actor

message: Article protected temporarily, vandalism/blanking. --Dweller (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: I've just removed a  tag because of Wikipedia:Citation overkill. With all the points referenced (before I changed my mind) it looked like this. If it's going to be tagged frequently, perhaps I should go back to the original version. Suggestions? --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That form look pretty good except the fact that it is stated twice in the same paragraph that the term actress remains "common in general usage." I would think that this could be stated once and the two refs put with that one mention. I'm not even sure how accurate that is anymore. DVD commentaries as diverse as Mad Men and Doctor Who (and these are only two examples of many that I have heard) and talk shows Like the Graham Norton Show have all switched to using the term "actor" for both genders. Even a show as goofy as Tru TV Presents the World's Dumbest relies solely on the original word. But I know that passions can run high over this so I think leaving in just the one mention would be a positive for the article. MarnetteD | Talk 11:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I can see from DP's comment that a closer referencing of the OED quotes is needed: self revert follows. --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All biographies that I have seen in the last month or so on "The Biography Channel" now use the word actor when identifying both male and female interviewees. It looks like a reference is going to be needed for actress remaining in "general usage". Please see the Merriam Webster Dictionary definition  which specifically uses a female in their examples section. MarnetteD | Talk 20:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps some distinction needs to be made between "general use" by the public, in which old habits die hard, and the acting profession and the media. I don't know how easy or hard that will be to find but it might but I am seeing more signs of a shift towards gender neutrality as this past decade has gone by. MarnetteD | Talk 20:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Date from Lizbeth Goodman added. --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your time and efforts. I think the addition helps to explain the direction that the usage is moving (too fast for some and too slow for others I am sure) towards.  MarnetteD | Talk 22:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

text:  It is fair enough to say that some people use the word actress to refer to a female actor but phrases like usually actress for female written on the opening line are not good unless you have some evidence for it.  Never used the word actress myself, I've heard it used obviously.  Even the American Oscars uses the word female actor and that's America - not exactly the most socially liberal country!--ЗAНИA talk WB talk] 23:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-reading this I can see why you feel it jars, but we're reporting what is, and not what we'd like. The statistics are given in "Terminology", lower down. Is there  way of expressing this less bluntly? --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

text: "Actress remains in general use, although in a survey of a "wide cross-section of current British English", compiled in 2010, actor was almost twice as commonly found as actress" [emphasis on "although" added]
"Although" implies that the survey results tend to undermine the statement that 'actress' remains in general use, which is supported by the lack of context given, allowing the reader to assume that 'actor' was almost twice as commonly found as 'actress' in reference to female actors. However, once one takes into account that the survey ignores the gender of the referent, the numbers tell a different story. If one assumes that references to male and female actors were approximately equal, then 'actor' being twice as common overall would imply that 'actress' is twice as common in reference to female actors ('actor' would be used every time for male actors and 1/3 of the time for female actors; 'actress' would be used 2/3 of the time for female actors and never for male actors).
However, without knowing the contextual details for each reference, the survey offers at best tenuous evidence for usage in either direction, so I simply took it out instead. JudahH (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs for "actress" 

message: In the terminology section, the article contained a reference to a survey of a corpus of British English, purporting to show that use of the term "actor" is nearly twice as common as use of the term "actress". However, the reference noted that the survey did not distinguish between references to male actors and to female actors. That being the case, it seemed entirely irrelevant to the question of how common a term "actress" is for female actors. Moreover, it was slightly misleading in that at a glance it seemed to say that "actor" was twice as commonly used for female actors as "actress" was—the qualification was buried in the text of the footnote itself.
Because I felt that the reference was misleading and because it did not seem to support either side of the question in any case, I took it out. JudahH (talk) 04:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Actress remains in general use, although in a survey of a "wide cross-section of current British English", compiled in 2010, actor was almost twice as commonly found as actress" [emphasis on "although" added]
"Although" implies that the survey results tend to undermine the statement that 'actress' remains in general use, which is supported by the lack of context given, allowing the reader to assume that 'actor' was almost twice as commonly found as 'actress' in reference to female actors. However, once one takes into account that the survey ignores the gender of the referent, the numbers tell a different story. If one assumes that references to male and female actors were approximately equal, then 'actor' being twice as common overall would imply that 'actress' is twice as common in reference to female actors ('actor' would be used every time for male actors and 1/3 of the time for female actors; 'actress' would be used 2/3 of the time for female actors and never for male actors).
However, without knowing the contextual details for each reference, the survey offers at best tenuous evidence for usage in either direction, so I simply took it out instead. JudahH (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed reference to survey 

message: Is it time for a WP:SS spinoff yet? --Old Moonraker (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing as the last couple of awards were added. Since there are wikiarticles for the awards they would seem to meet notability requirements but I don't think we need an ever expanding list in the middle of this article. Hopefully others will add their thoughts but I would be in favor (or per WP:ENGVAR favour) of you handling this in the way that you think best. Thanks for bring this up and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 18:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The suggestion may be superfluous: List of awards in theatre includes  performances. Transfer any not already there, delete the rest, add the wikilink to "see also" section. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Transferred to List of awards in theatre and List of film awards. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Acting awards" section 

message: The "As opposite sex" section seems overly long in proportion to the length of the article as a whole.  Seems like either the rest of the article needs to built up, or this section needs to be trimmed.  Or perhaps it could be developed into a separate article?  And does it really belong under "Techniques", anyway? --Alexbook (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  As opposite sex 

message: The lede notes that there are theatre, film and TV actors. I made a good faith effort to create sections that explained some of the differences between the different types of acting. Some of the content adds quite useful info , like the section on stage directions for theatre actors and the section on screen tests for Tv actors. This is a C class article, not a FA, so it needs development. When I attempted to improve the article everything I added was reverted and called POV nonsense. I believe reverting is for vandalism. A better response would be to tag these sections and to try to improve them.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is an excerpt from the WP statement on reverting: "Reverting a contribution may be necessary and appropriate. However, reverting good-faith actions of other editors may also be disruptive and can even lead to the reverter being temporarily blocked from editing." OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding theatre, film and TV acting sections 

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message: The ref with the name mentioned in this section heading has a broken cite template, though I can't find anything wrong with it. Also, if it hasn't just been messed up, the link is now dead. CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 04:20, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Neziroski 2003" ref broken 

message: I'd like to know more about the money. The highest-paid actors and their pay checks are well known, but what about the average professional? How much (s)he gets paid – or how much a role is worth? Here's some interesting info along these lines:
"nowadays, if you’re doing a guest starring role, you get paid “top of show.” [...] it just simply means the top amount that we will pay anyone appearing on the show. It varies from show to show, but it’s SAG/AFTRA [actor's union] rules. It depends, I guess, on what the budget of the show is but it’s never more than $9,000 pe[r] episode. And it’s usually between $5,000 and $6,000. [Editor's note: By comparison, Jim Parsons and the other stars [of] Big Bang Theory earn $1 million an episode, while Andrew Lincoln, star of The Walking Dead, earns more like $90,000 an episode.]"
Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2017/02/11/hollywood-econ-101-or-why-you-should-consider-contributing-to-an-actresss-kickstarter-really/#e45734c4d3e5
Does anyone have any more information? Ideally, something like a bar chart with the amount of money on y-axis and an x-axis depicting actors from the highest-paid  to the lowest-paid. Is this information available or could it be constructed with statistical methods?  --188.172.219.69 (talk) 07:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Money 

message: An actor is who plays a character. However, the word actor / actress is usually associated with beautiful people; Beauty is often a prime factor in identifying an actor.
By antonomasia is denominated actor or actress to the beautiful people who dedicate themselves to the interpretation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erick Barker (talk • contribs) 03:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actor 

message: What the f**k is the actor game and why is it in wiki unexplained?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.64.45 (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actor game 

message: In the paragraph of "Role of women" they are making comparisons of salaries between men and women and comparisons between the salaries of actors and actresses according to race, comparisons between participations, that is absurd. Do actors earn more for being men? No, men earn more for being more box office, the salary of an actor or an actress is independent of their gender, race and likewise the number of shares, so that paragraph is absurd, they must correct it.Erick Barker (talk) 02:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The content, and the quotation, is fully and reliably sourced. The contention of the quoted and attributed source is that at least some actors do indeed earn more because they are men. The fact that you may disagree does not allow you to remove the content from the encyclopedia. This article is not about your opinions. If you can find other, published, sources that include factual information to contradict the assertion, cite them here for discussion and possible inclusion in the article. General Ization Talk   02:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

text: The Forbes citation above "shows" nothing of the sort.  It discusses a specific film (Passengers) and two specific actors (Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence).  It does not claim to, nor does it, offer any comment as to whether female actors of the same caliber earn more or less than male actors in general. General Ization Talk   03:14, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

text: As for the sources cited being "the tabloid press," the sources for the paragraph you are referring to are the self same Forbes, Variety and Slate. None of these are tabloids. General Ization Talk   03:19, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of women 

message: is an indian actress Halaabdlrhmn (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nia sharma 

message: The "Actress" section needed to be moved further down in the article, and I did so. Firstly, "actress" is an archaic term; today, "actor" is gender-neutral. Secondly, the section begins with historical references, which are explained in the "History" section. Thirdly, the discussion of Hollywood's gender pay gap is not of primary concern in such a general article; the subject should not be brought up early in the article, as that constitutes undue emphasis.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2020: "Actress" section 

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message: there really should be a section about how influential and popular actors are in their periods. not just modern day actors, but even Elizabethean-era actors like Richard Burbage were well-known and had a fair amount of wealth for their period. or how they impact certain political statements... basically their influential aspect2607:FEA8:BDA0:1A8F:E5C9:D194:EDE3:273E (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  influence/popularity  

message: As I stated in my edit summary "this article is about the history of acting and Garrick is far more notable in that regard" While Shaw is a fine actor the pic of him from The Buccaneers is not representative of the overall craft of acting IMO. MarnetteD|Talk 15:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Pic of Shaw

message: Per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE  As I mentioned above "this article is about the history of acting" and Stallone, though an enjoyable watch for many, is not notable to that history and his pic is being placed by the IP as decorative. MarnetteD|Talk 14:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Another picture

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message: Did actors ever exist outside Europe and the United States? From reading this article, I have no idea... —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 05:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other parts of the world? 

message: In the great soap opera of life all the world is our stage. Suggest bringing this article into the 21st century or redirecting to List of actors with two or more Academy Awards in acting categories. 86.136.70.179 (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of actors with two or more Academy Awards in acting categories|Double Oscar winners]] 

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