Talk:Wedding anniversary

message: Where do these come from? I see a link at the bottom to a Chicago Public library list, but the Library's list is not at all the same as this one? Ryanneve 03:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - the list is wrong.  I think someone tried to parse the CPL list and just wasn't paying attention.  For example, the CPL list says the 9th anniversary is "Pottery (China) -- Leather goods", but the Wikipedia page says "Pottery, Willow -- Pottery -- China", as if some text parser saw "(China") and thought that was the second entry.  I know these lists are not written in stone anywhere, but any Internet search will display lists that are practically identical to the CPL list, but nothing that matches the Wikipedia list. Timur tabi 17:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The confusion here is over the 1937 list.  It did not invent new anniversaries.  It extended the existing list.  References for other anniversaries have been sought at such web sources as [], but even this source read in its entirety acknowledges "there are no gemstones" for these anniversaries.  They are simply 'gift ideas'.  Some editors have conflated this evidence to mean that these are the names for the anniversaries when the source does not even claim this.  Lists to confirm this seem to be clones of what has appeared here on this page with various edits.  If logic prevails, it is easy to see that things like "real estate" or "original pictures" are not part of any tradition, but other evidence to the contrary is welcome. Dainamo (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern?

message: While there is a verifiable source, there are several for the marketing of wedding gifts.  Such sources are not consistant with each other.  If an article regarding a reputable single source is needed this should be separate, but the lack of agreement of such sources makes it totally unacceptable on this 'generic' table.  Dainamo (talk) 02:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The confusion here is over the 1937 list.  It did not invent new anniversaries.  It extended the existing list.  References for other anniversaries have been sought at such web sources as [], but even this source read in its entirety acknowledges "there are no gemstones" for these anniversaries.  They are simply 'gift ideas'.  Some editors have conflated this evidence to mean that these are the names for the anniversaries when the source does not even claim this.  Lists to confirm this seem to be clones of what has appeared here on this page with various edits.  If logic prevails, it is easy to see that things like "real estate" or "original pictures" are not part of any tradition, but other evidence to the contrary is welcome. Dainamo (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "modern"

message: Is the German list really necessary?  It seems to take up more than half of the entry, and it is at best somewhat interesting, but probably useless for most people searching this entry.  Also, the article doesn't include the English ones.  I don't speak German, so it is entirely possible that the German version includes the English version somewhere, but I digress.  I'm not saying that that said German page is a reason to remove the German counterpart from the English entry, but I just feel this is an unnecessary part of the page. Drunkasian 19:22, 2005-05-16
:I have to concur; it's not only trivia but (a) arguably irrelevant trivia, as I doubt many people even in Germany have ever celebrated their 6 1/4th wedding anniversary with a gift of mutton, (b) contains enough obviously-ridiculous entries (radium? Crown jewels?) to make the authenticity of the list look dubious, and (c) seriously unbalances the article.  If anyone feels strongly that this information needs a place in English, perhaps they could create an article specially for "Alleged German Wedding Anniversay Traditions"?  Haeleth 21:57, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
:I have to disagree with the 'double diamond' anniversary
:As far as I know only three English speaking couples have celebrated their 75th wedding aniversary;
::http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/3583743.stm and they chose to call it a 'Diamond Gold' anniversary
::http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/156640.stm who called it a 'Gold and Silver' anniversary
:and 
::http://www.abc.net.au/milduraswanhill/stories/s784768.htm
:but I can't find any reference to what is was called
::No, it should be restored. Flesh out the rest of the article, don't remove things. In particular, German countries seem to have been the entire origin of the idea in the first place so their list is relevant. — LlywelynII 06:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  German List 

message: Since Aluminium appears only in the American column, it makes sense to rename it Aluminum. Kayman1uk 11:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And again Kayman1uk 21:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per that decision, I've changed "jewellery" to "jewelry". Bobo. 05:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Except that "jewelry" only appears in the "modern" column, so that decision doesn't apply. Furthermore, looking over the MoS again, it becomes pretty clear that an article should be restricted to one spelling system or the other, not mixed, even if parts of the article relate to practices in different parts of the English-speaking world.  As such, since this article has always predominantly used British spellings, I'm changing the anomolous American spellings back to the British forms (including "aluminium", for consistency), in accordance with what the MoS recommends. — Haeleth Talk 14:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aluminium/Aluminum 

message: This whole article has pieces that belong elsewhere and possibly nowhere in wikipedia.  I think the wedding remarks should be merged into wedding.  The unsourced identification of gifts at various points is sufficiently covered in anniversary. I think we should remove the mergto anniversary tag as the redirect should most likely lead to wedding and not anniversary.Alan.ca 21:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you not have then looked in the page for anniversary ? 
* Merge with Anniversary would seem OK to me. That page already duplicates most of this one, though there is some non-overlap. DFH 18:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: It would be great if someone could add the symbolism of each anniversary.
--203.122.234.30 05:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? --Masamage 08:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolism 

message: On what authority were the gift items of the first two years under the British tradition swapped?  Prior to April 19th of 2007, the British tradition had cotton first, and paper second, and now it's been flipped to match the American tradition.  Normally details such as these would go totally unnoticed by me, except I have been trapped in the discrepancy!!  Last year was my first anniversary and I followed the "British" tradition.
Some person just flipped the years around and didn't justify it (from what I can tell in my extremely limited experience contributing to Wikipedia).  Can I just change it back?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadohert (talk • contribs) 
:1st has always been paper in both traditions  Dainamo 17:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is annoying as I also followed the "British" tradition as it was originally posted. Can we get this confirmed? --Ben 09:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This change was made 07:29, 19 Apr 2007 anonymously from 209.247.22.72 without commentary. As much as I'd like to say "just revert it" - I can't authoritatively say either version is correct or not. Anyone got a British etiquette book handy? FWIW, I too followed the British cotton first anniversary "tradition" last year (Wikipaedia never lies - it changes reality to match its facts). --Mgoodhew 01:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The only list I can find that references the Traditional UK gifts is at www.anniversarygifts.co.uk/list.html. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I can't say I fully agree with the removal, but the "British" (not UK, and possibly should be "English") list had no credible source.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  British vs American Tradition 

message: Checked this through google.  While google is a blunt instrument it confirms this suspission overwhelmingly.  Dainamo 17:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that the anniversary is referred to as the "golden anniversary," but the list is a list of gifts, not a list of names for the various anniversaries.  You can give someone a gift of gold, but you can't give someone golden, because golden is an adjective not a noun. PubliusFL 17:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The list is about gifts and traditionally it is a gift made of gold rather than something golden in color.  But the anniversary is also mentioned in the lede as the "gold" anniversary.  I'll change that to "golden". -- SiobhanHansa 12:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden not Gold

message: I removed the picture of "a couple celebrating their paper anniversary" because there is absolutely no reference as to how it is a paper anniversary (there's no paper in the picture) and it is most clearly a home picture taken as a memento. I don't find it encyclopaedic at all, but it may have been good faith. 79.71.2.215 (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed picture 

message: Why are the Traditional 21st anniversary gifts listed as Excrement?  I can find no other internet reference to support it.  Is it vandalism?
MatadorBID (talk) 14:35, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It has been reverted. If you're still seeing it, hard-refresh (shift+f5 on IE, ctrl+R on Firefox) and you'll get the latest version. ⇦REDVERS⇨ 14:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Excrement?!?

message: ...How can the traditional wedding anniversaries for 60th and 75th both be "diamond"? Have some jewellers been editing this article? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 03:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The diamond was traditionally the 75th anniversary.  However, when Queen Victoria's popularity was waning because of her reclusfulness over Prince Albert's death, it was decided to stage her Diamond Jubilee 15 years early to rally support.  The Earl of Sutton was tasked with putting together the jubilee pageantry for this jubilee.  The format of the pageantry that he came up with forms the basis of the jubilee celebrations that have been held ever since.  Also since this jubilee, the 60th has also been known asthe diamond jubilee. 86.166.68.75 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional diamond and diamond... 

message: Perhaps there could be a mention of regnal anniversaries - from List of longest-reigning monarchs there are two monarchs (and one pretender) who reached 80+ years, 15 rulers at 70+, some 50 at 60+, and 'many more' at 50+ years' rule. (It being one such anniversary, may currently reigning monarchs enjoy many more.) Jackiespeel (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely this is off-topic for an article on Wedding Anniversary. Spathaky (talk) 20:01, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioned here mainly as 'the list of terms' is here and they are applied in other contexts. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite. It seems to have started with the royals and been brought over to other weddings. It is relevant and should be mentioned. They're usually called jubilees, though. — LlywelynII 06:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Regnal anniversaries

message: I'm unable to find a reliable source (not in the Chicago Public Library list or other provided links) for the 'Carved Marble' entry at the 'U.S Modern'/'90th' tuple. If this is a humorous reference to gravestones, it is certainly in very poor taste. Will continue searching for a citation. 81.159.191.246 (talk) 12:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  90th Wedding Anniversary/Attribution 

message: Somebody has added slim jims and sweat pants as modern gifts for 35th anniversary.  Seem like some vandalism to me.184.36.134.83 (talk) 19:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably 'engraved marble/granite' for 90th is a 'joke' and in very poor taste too!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithuk (talk • contribs) 15:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slim Jims and sweat pants? 

message: A number of links for people 
* https://shayariimage.com
* http://anniversariesbyyear.com
* http://www.anniversarygifts.co.uk  
* http://www.debretts.com/british-etiquette/rites-passage/wedding-anniversaries/british-anniversaries
* http://www.piajewellery.com/a-gemstone-to-celebrate-every-wedding-anniversary-artlanniversary_gemstones
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_precious_substances
 79.79.100.92 (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Debrett's page is wrong, as the list is a mish-mash of traditional UK and US lists. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful links? 

message: What notability does the Chicago public library have?--عبد المؤمن (talk) 22:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the identified source of the US dates/gifts. Nick Cooper (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who cares?

message: Is the traditional 15th wedding anniversary gift really a giant metal chicken? 142.242.18.254 (talk) 15:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant metal chicken? 

message: Someone added flower and gemstone lists, but there are no sources. I think it's interesting and would like to keep it, but with sources if possible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilbot (talk • contribs) 21:47, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for flowers and gemstones 

message: This English reader has never heard "Golden Anniversary", (etc.), only ever "Golden wedding" (etc.) Do others agree? Herbgold (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely not. It's a golden wedding anniversary or golden anniversary, not a golden wedding unless there's a ceremony with a renewal of vows. That said, Google Books suggests you're not remotely alone in your bizarre (mis)usage. (Ngrams mistates the frequency by including results for golden wedding bands or rings but if you really dig in there are some uses like yours where people go from talking about a golden wedding celebrations to just golden weddings.) — LlywelynII 03:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

text: On further examination, it seems to be a historical (mis)usage brought over from German where the same word covers both weddings and wedding anniversaries. — LlywelynII 06:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden Wedding or Golden Anniversary? 

message: The 12th Anniversary lists "Star Wars Video Games & Small Bottles of Booze". Which makes me really excited for 10 years down the road. But I doubt my wife will be as jazzed as I am. Please revert.
 00:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK, being far more classy of course, goes for "Downton Abbey collectibles". :D (This was quite easy to fix yourself you know, just check out the page history tab to see where this vandalism happened, then hit "undo".) OrbiterSpacethingy (talk) 10:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  12th Anniversary 

message: I am certain that in the UK the 4th Anniversary is Linen.  This is backed up by the following sources in the UK that all say the 4th is linen.
The gift experience (https://www.thegiftexperience.co.uk/anniversary-gifts-by-year/index.html)
Not on the High Street (https://www.notonthehighstreet.com/search?utf8=✓&term=4th wedding anniversary&filter[category_id]=15000)
anniversarygifts.co.uk (http://www.anniversarygifts.co.uk/index.php)
confetti.co.uk  (https://www.confetti.co.uk/occasions/anniversaries-ataglance)
 
In the USA the tradition is that the 4th anniversary is fruit or flowers.  the following sources all agree.
https://www.anniversariesbyyear.com/4thanniversary.php
http://www.alovelylifeindeed.com/2016/05/lovely-things-fourth-anniversary-gift.html
https://www.allfreediyweddings.com/DIY-Anniversary-Gifts-for-Him-Her/Modern-and-Traditional-Anniversary-Gifts-by-Year
This source from AUstralia makes it clear that linen is the UK and fruit/flowers is the UK:
https://www.eternityrose.com.au/anniversary-gifts-by-year
Ruby Nut (talk) 10:26, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect information about 4th anniversary

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Anniversary gift. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anniversary gift" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: From the discussion at Talk:Golden jubilee:
Kindly fix the historical and etymological parts of this page here but direct other replies there. — LlywelynII 06:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Etym & RFC on moves