Talk:Daemon Tools

message: I don't know personally, but wouldn't this be a good place to put reasons why Daemon Tools are useful? Aside from its actual function, what would it actually be used to do? Are there legitimate uses for it, aside from bypassing copyright protection? Thray 14:27, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree, this article's bit about copyright infringment REALLY makes it seem like this program (and all others hy people use this program would be similiar to other disk image emulation programs) and give a quick summary.
:I really hope this software is released under a open source license (like the GNU GPL), too many good closed sourced programs like this, and DVD Shrink / DVD Decryptor are being threatened out of existance because of the copyright war. --ShaunMacPherson 19:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are indeed legitimates reasons to use this. People who have a lot of games or other software which require the CD to be in to use find it very irritating to constantly have to change the CD in the drive. Also, copying a CD to an image on the hard disk is a valid way to prevent scratching of an expensive original disk. And also, some people don't waste money on CD-ROM drives on all their machines, preferring to have just one machine with a CD drive and use that machine to make images which are moved over a LAN to the machine that uses the software. Ben Morris 18:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I use it to test DVDs before I burn them to disk. The DVD authoring software produces a .iso file and I can mount it with Daemon Tools as though it was a real DVD... if my DVD player software plays it correctly, then I can burn disks knowing that they'll work. Mark Grant 15:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: I am changing "adware" to "spyware" in the Daemon Tools description because WhenU SaveNow is known to do affiliate cookie hijacking.  Dajhorn 06:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spyware 

message: I'm using daemon tools for a long time and i sever saw any spyware on it.
If you mean optional trash you can toggle on install... then i may have disabled it every time. But i can't remember.
And i definitely don't have spyware on my computer. I use many tools and check very often. And this is a pretty well-known spyware you're talking about. So: Where is it?
You must add external references to this thesis, or else i'll remove the parts about the ad/spyware.
(See "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.") (I got captcha-enabled scripts to ensure this.)
Because to me this looks like slander from alcohol soft.
Please explain & verify! Thank you!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.57.59 (talk • contribs).
:It is indeed "optional trash you can toggle on install". Try installing it with every checkbox on to verify for yourself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomas Castiglione (talk • contribs).
I just installed it straight off their web site. I think the "however the installation is optional and can be deselected during the install process" is disingenuous because it doesn't label it as spyware; it says "Daemon Tools Search Bar - sponsor displays contextual links and offers (Internet connection required)". I presume this is the spyware, but it's masquerading behind technogibberish. It doesn't flag it as spyware/adware or optional. If you didn't know any better (and if you weren't looking for it) it would be easy to miss. As for the "easily uninstalled", well, you have to know it's there. This is spyware by stealth. Because the existing text makes it out to be flagged out and easily deselected, well, that just isn't true. I'm changing the page on this basis. And to Daemon if you are listening, I think this really stinks. I will however keep my edits clear and unemotional. I also checked the WhenU web site which says it is "The SearchBar interface and new user enhancements, designed to maximize your online and desktop experiences." This doesn't make clear it's spyware/adware nature. Under the circumstances, I think it's fair to call this what it is. Shame on you, daemon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.213.7.133 (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it back to adware. Although it may be misleading, I would not consider its means of installation as deceitful. Any other changes should probably be fully thrashed out on this page before addition. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 19:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the adware section should be moved to the end of the article, or atleast after uses.
Call it whatever you want, but daemon definitely knows the nature of this software.  I haven't used daemon since the beginning, before it had this spyware/malware.  So I just installed it thinking I could trust the source.  I have had to uninstall about 3 applications that embedded themselves in my system.  Two of them managed to install themselves into Firefox add-ons and tool bars.  The first time I used a web browser I was redirected to a page that contained just a single image, and then my Firefox window was resized (I believe in IE this would have made it look like a system message, since the image had xp theme borders and title bar, but in Firefox it just looked silly).  The image was a link to obvious malware "errcheck".  Again, call it whatever, but if you saw this software on your system you would tread softly for the next few days, and feel violated in the process.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.41.77 (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adware/Spyware? Where? 

message: When did they stop supporting Windows 98? I want to download the last version for windows 98 for my old laptop
: v3.47, see this thread --Voidvector (talk) 15:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Windows 98]] support? 

message: I vaguely remember that The Sims 2 refused to run on my system while I had Daemon installed, it would always say 'please insert the correct disc' or whatever. I would think this would be one of the more well-known examples of such, though unfortunately I can't find any information on it right now. PolarisSLBM 13:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Copy protection systems have looked for disc emulation for a few years now. It's not specific to DAEMON Tools. Chris Cunningham 16:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually the article mentions that some programs look specifically for the drivers associated with DAEMON Tools, and refuse to run if it's installed.Balderdash707 (talk) 15:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games Refusing To Run If Daemon Installed 

message: If the product is "styled DAEMON Tools by its creators," why shouldn't the article refer to it thus, and be thus named? 71.243.129.191 17:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article should be renamed to "DAEMON Tools" obviously. --85.210.2.164 (talk) 19:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). - Cyrus XIII (talk) 19:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: I've cleaned up the article a bit. I've listed the editions and their differences. I also removed the uses section, as it just mimics the list found in optical disc authoring software. Andareed (talk) 17:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I understand why Andareed reverted my changes on the daemon tools page so I've condensed it and moved it into security concerns section. Please see WhenU, Gatory, page on why such separate section are neccessary to advise users of the potential problems with installing adware supported software. Such information must not be misplaced inside other sections since it cloaks it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.166.188 (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Kazaa and Messenger Plus! Live have longer sections devoted to its included adware, so an adware section for Daemon Tools seems reasonable to me, as long as it stays NPOV, which was my original concern. I've renamed the section to "Adware". Andareed (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security Concerns 

message: Yes, DT Basic includes it, and yes the noted citation [2] shows that you have to install the sponsor, but this is not true.  I have been using DT for a number of years now, and when they went public with their commercial product I was on of the loudest outspoken critics on their forums, saying they needed to keep it free.  Basically, you can install DT Basic for free, without installing the sponsor at all and after that the program runs fine regardless of whether you installed the sponsor or not.
The citation, as I stated, is correctly linked, but it is *that* page that is cited that needs to be changed - the sponsor is not *mandatory* it is optional.
I'll try to bring this up on the DT forums to see if they will make an amendment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnlgalt (talk • contribs) 10:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is this represents original research. I don't doubt what you added is correct, but we need a reputable source to say this. Andareed (talk) 21:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bundled 'Sponsor' Adware / Spyware 

message: Can someone explain/confirm why the comparison chart says that the Lite edition does not have a graphical interface? This seems kind of silly. Ham Pastrami (talk) 06:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lite only includes a tray-icon; I've updated the table to reflect this. Andareed (talk) 12:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The data in the table is not clear and implies that Lite has a GUI.  A tray icon is not a GUI.  According to the DT website, Lite does not have a GUI.  The table should also be updated to reflect that the Pro Basic has been discontinued, and that some of the features have changed for the other versions. 71.200.140.35 (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lite GUI 

message: be an ip and don't want to register so if someone create the link . think it could be usefull to update the article with a table like audio video software that list import export and compatible with HFS . 
for example ultraiso support iso but magic iso support HFS filesystem of hybrid CD ( iso +hfs) . the nero tool support iso+hfs so size of ultraiso + magic iso = size of nrg create using nero . So import export table could be usefull with mount option .. 
many sofwtare exist like winimage ultraiso neroburning magic disc  magic iso ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.58.147.81 (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  filesystem editors

message: As I'm writing this, the Editions part of the article reads: "Since version 4.00, four editions of the product exist: Lite [Commercial], Pro Standard and Pro Advanced." But I only see the name of three editions not four: (1) Lite [Commercial], (2) Pro Standard and (3) Pro Advanced! I have also visited Product Comparison page on Daemon tools web site and see no more than three. Is there another fourth edition written in invisible ink or is it really a counting error?
You know, there are three types of people: Those who can count and those who cannot! ;) Fleet Command (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 Editions? 

message: I think a link to the Daemon Tools homepage would be a good idea.  That's why I'm here.  I took the first link Google offered and was surprised to find that the site had some words that were not English.  This was unexpected, and my first thought was that the "daemon tools" text had been hijacked by someone that is NOT the author, and the searches were being re-directed AWAY from the legtimate Daemon Tools site.
Some explanation as to the nationality, etc... of the authors, some indication that non-English words on the home page would be a good thing.
Also, it would not hurt to directly solicit the software's authors and have them take some responsiblity for this article.  It would only help them, as well as other people.
In terms of "nuts & bolts", WHY the software is useful (instead of being greyware used to circumvent copyright protection schemes) is that it allows a legal owner of software to create an image file of their software and emulate the physical disk's existance on their computer when using the software (such as playing a game).  This prevents the physical disk from being subject to scratches and other damage (including loss).  You can image the CD, and then store it safely while using the image file to emulate the CD being in the optical drive.  BIG (and completely legitimate) use for Daemon Tools.
Another thing worth mentioning is that the sptd.sys driver is different than the standard MS drivers etc... and doesn't behave the same.  I've just run a Repair Install (aka "upgrade") of WinXP and have just discovered I'm going to have to reinstall Daemon Tools because (unlike all my other software) something has happened to the way in which WinXP handles the Daemon Tools software.  Meaning, everything else works just fine, but Daemon Tools needs to be reinstalled.  Not exactly sure why this is, but I'm sure it's normal, and worth mentioning in the wiki.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Quick (talk • contribs) 03:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some suggestions... 

message: Currently the version listed is 4.35.5.0068 which applies to the daemon tools lite version. A few days ago it listed the current daemon tools pro/pro advanced version (v4.35.0306). I'm wondering whether the version listed on the article's page should list the DTLite or the DTPro version since they seem to differ. 65.10.2.172 (talk) 16:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version Listing 

message: The way the description of the program is worded does not make it explicitly clear for the reader that the program's Lite version indeed contains adware, be it optional or mandatory. It does implicitly hint at it ("Versions prior to v4.00 had only one edition. That edition was freeware, had no adware, and was solely an imaging disc-emulation software (no image conversion, creation, burning, and so forth). Version 3.47 is the last such version."), but *does not make it explicit*.
I do believe that this is indeed a serious concern, especially in case of a piece of software which relies on using a *rootkit*, even out of unavoidable necessity, for it to successfully emulate copyright protection. Apart from my personal views that it is extremely bad politics for a software company to put off potential (more experienced) buyers of even Pro (non-free) versions of the software by anyhow getting related to the adware/spyware terms, I do believe that readers of the Wikipedia article are not mislead only if the wording of this is modified to make it perfectly clear that the program is indeed bundled with additional software. (Especially since with certain versions even users who chose not to install the toolbar and other 3rd party programs, got stuck with these programs installed anyway, see the relevant Deamon tools forums, and other related tech forums and talks.)
I advise therefore that the (original) editor(s) modify the description to make it more explicit, like "Lite version since v4.00 contain bundled (optional) adware." This is still all very fair to the writers/owners of the software, and does not even tackle the adware/spyware differentiation, and raises no concern of the dangers what a rootkit-based program with bundled adware might be capable of even without the average user's consent.
94.248.149.113 (talk) 13:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Present adware content is not explicitly clear from the description 

message: The first paragraph immediatley following the Blacklisting heading cites http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=187641 as the source, however this site contains the same paragraph word for word and cites this article as the reference.  This means this article is citing itself.  I have searched online for any other reference or examples of software that, when installed, will uninstall Daemon Tools if it is present on the system as claimed in this paragraph, however I could find no such reference.  I have removed this section from the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.217.86 (talk) 05:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacklisting circular reference 

message: The previous versions seemed to have version histories written by fairly literate Eastern European types. Has the program since been bought out by someone for whom english is their fourth or fifth language? Nevard (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh, has the software been bought out? 

message: Taken aback by this - Daemon Tools is by far most popular disk image emulator for Windows OS. Because of the "grey area" nature of this kind of software it doesn't get much "official" publicity, but simply checking Google Trends shows that it's way ahead of all competition. 62.152.141.163 (talk) 18:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability guideline 

message: Why is in category :Category:Rootkits ? --212.183.198.9 (talk) 22:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rootkits 

message: There's no reference for the alleged abbreviation of the 'DAEMON' part in 'DAEMON Tools'.
The name has no special meaning. SwENSkE (talk) 09:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted shortcut 

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