Talk:Katō Kiyomasa

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message: I find it hard to believe that Lord Katō would issue an order to "all samurai," when he had no logical right to do so-- "all samurai" includes retainers of other clans, ronin, etcetera...does anyone have the original Japanese text of the Precepts? I think it's a matter of mistranslation, and that the original Japanese probably said something like Kacchū (家中), to "all in the house"-- meaning "all" of his samurai, and not "all samurai." -Tadakuni (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you quote a section of the Japanese text? I'm afraid I can't find it online or in person. Furthermore, the passage you quote says that Katō addressed the code to his men, and not to "all" samurai...which confirms my suspicions. Do you have a page citation for the purposes of verification? Thank you. -Tadakuni (talk) 06:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comments. I personally was not the one who blocked or removed this text, someone else was. I simply wanted to clarify that detail in the hopes that it might move things along toward re-incorporating this passage into the article. Given your amazing list of resources, if you would like to reincorporate this text into the article, then please do so. Thank you. -Tadakuni (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "To All Samurai"?

message: The English Language link Battle of Ulsan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ulsan) in section "Kiyomasa during the Seven-Year War" seems to be about a naval battle not contemporary to Kiyomasa. I checked through the Japanese language page and saw that the battle noted has an English page named Siege of Ulsan so I replaced the link. Since my Japanese language skill is limited, I could be wrong too. I'll appreciate if someone could double check. Thanks. Eakka (talk) 09:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of Ulsan

message: Kato Kiyomasa, near the close of the Seven Years' War was holding up in a fortification on a hill called Tosan at Ulsan and was beseiged in October by Ming General Ma Gui with 24,000 troops and 5,500 Korean troops under Kyongsang Army Commander Kim ung-so.
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message: "Kiyomasa held two Korean princes who had deserted as hostages and used them to force lower-ranking Korean officials to surrender." this part is either not entirely accurate, or at least open to contention. In the Seonjo Shillok vol. 26 (year 25, April 14th) it says, "命臨海君往咸鏡道, 金貴榮、尹卓然從行; 順和君 𤣰往江原道, 長溪府院君 黃廷彧與其子前承旨赫、同知李墍從行, 蓋赫女爲順和夫人, 墍居原州, 故竝遣之。 墍到江原道, 托病不從。 未幾, 倭入江原道, 故順和君亦踰嶺向北, 與臨海同行, 命金貴榮、黃廷彧協同護行" (emphasis added by me - http://sillok.history.go.kr/id/knb_12504014_023) Which means that Prince Imhae(臨海君) was ordered(命) to go(往) to Hamgyeong province(咸鏡道), and prince Sunhwa(順和君) was ordered to go to Gangwon province(江原道), but since the Japanese troops(倭) had entered(入) Gangwon, Prince Sunhwa had to flee north and go with Prince Imhae.
Considering they were sent with the officials they were sent with (former Minister of Defense, etc) and considering the fact that Crown Prince Gwanghae performed a similar role, given that they were ordered there, it is likely that the two princes were sent to drum up support and draft local men into the military to oppose the invading Japanese army (in fact, every Korean source that you can find states as a matter of fact that they were sent to draft men into the military), and were not simply deserting (they did a piss poor job of it since they were lousy characters, but that's a different matter entirely). --조지토머스 (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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