Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Sugaar

message: Regarding Sugaar's response, you have to remember that he's quite biased. He considers quoting Oxford English Dictionary as POV pushing. And this  is the alleged Nazi, Nordicist, etc...version of the page White people. Also read my edit summary here  and how some of "A group of veteran wikipedians" as he described it edited all this by simply saying "reverting vandalism", etc...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thulean (talk • contribs) 
:You appear to be using the word 'bias' to imply 'wary of persons who are supporters of Nazism'. For the avoidance of doubt, I don't consider such an approach to be a policy violation. Addhoc 14:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, firstly, your new user name is a massive improvement. Secondly, we appear to disagree about the essay WP:SPADE, I agree with Sugaar and Shell that it represents common sense, however you oppose this interpretation of policy. Finally, the purpose of an RfC isn't to continue a debate until one side dies from exhaustion. Accordingly, I'm inclined to walk away from this, because I doubt there is going to be any futher meaningful progress. Addhoc 12:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: This is my response to Alun, why I used the word "clueless" . Also I loved how he changed his wordings from 
"Please refrain from personal attacks, it reflects more on you than anyone else. If I fail to fully understand what you are saying then maybe it reflects an inability on your part to express yourself clearly. You do not seem to be able to stick to a specific point."  to 
"I suggested that if I was clueless maybe it was because he was not making himself clear enough" as he claimed in the project page. 
Also as you can see in the diffs, I didnt accuse him of any PA's. He told me to "Please refrain from personal attacks, it reflects more on you than anyone else" and I answered "I think saying that you are clueless about what I'm saying is less of a personal insult than "If I fail to fully understand what you are saying then maybe it reflects an inability on your part to express yourself clearly."" Thulean 19:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A personal attack should be an insult equivalent to calling someone an idiot, I would concur that in this dispute the phrase is being used in an unhelpful manner. However, I am personally more disappointed with Shell for implying that Sugaar indicating that he won't vote for her is a personal attack, than your example. Addhoc 14:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I did not indicate that his choice of voting was a personal attack.  Please read the entire statement and the header of the section it falls under.  The snide comments on my ArbCom questions page were a bit over the top, but he has since removed several of those statements. Shell babelfish 15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I note you have rephrased to clarify. Addhoc 18:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Alun

message: A brand new user's first edit is a comment that reads:
Sugaar is communistic anti-royalist separatist has made multiple claim to these effect much times over. Communismus is dead, separatism is proven evil degenerate think in league with homosexual perversins and anti-nobility sentiment. What is indefensible by sane people of proud white stocks.--DerStormtroper 03:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just gave him a warning for personal attacks..--Vercalos 08:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact..  His name looks very familiar, and I think he might be a sockpuppet of another banned user...--Vercalos 09:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your interest, Vercalos. I really don't want to remove much conflictive issues, specially while this issue is not fully closed. I'm not the kind of person that goes around issuing warnings (I have not issued a warning in my life) but I can't but welcome that others do it when necessary. --Sugaar 23:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the comment, because it attempted to create a thread on the RfC page, which isn't allowed. Addhoc 18:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also  has been indefinately blocked... Addhoc 18:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  And what about this?