Talk:Armenian genocide/Archive 16

message: The main page for Dayr az-Zawr has been changed to Deir ez-Zor. If someone with editing access to this page could change the link in the "deportation" section that'd be great. Thanks. --Optimussven 16:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks for the notification. AecisBravado 18:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This page is 148 kilobytes long. I suggest we split this article into smaller, more specific articles including the Republic of Turkey and the Armenian Genocide article. That section is too detailed, the only way to keep these details in Wikipedia is to split this section. As time goes on, some details are removed by some user, so we want a seperate page in order to keep the material in WP. Kavas (talk) 21:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: ...Treaty of Sèvres and it's relativity...
Remove the apostrophe. "It's" means "it is"; possessive is "its".
MOAI12 (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: . Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from MOAI12, 12 October 2010 

message: Common use in Turkish is not Sözde Ermeni Soykırımı but Ermeni Soykırımı.
*Ermeni Soykırımı - sözde = 785 hits
*Sözde Ermeni Soykırımı = 362 hits
Takabeg (talk) 11:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm from Turkish Vikipedia. Sözde Ermeni Soykırımı doesn't match WP:NPOV. It's very clear. We can use this term as citation. Common use is Ermeni Soykırımı. But in Turkey and the community of Turkish Vikipedia many people cannot accept the massacres in 1915 as genocide (soykırım). But in Turkish Vikipedia, it's impossible that we could prefer Söze Ermeni Soykırımı (nominal Armenian Genocide), not Ermeni Soykırımı iddiası (allegation on Armenian Genocide), because of WP:NPOV. As far as i am concerned, Ermeni Kırımı was chosen for Compromise. Ermeni Kırımı is old usage but not common use. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm from Turkish WP. I guess you do not know how Google search works or you purposefully distort the fact. Any query "X Y" + Z produces more results than "X Y Z" . "Michael Joseph Jackson 580,000 results "michael jackson" joseph 10,600,000 results - see? Besides, the majority of book results are translations of foreign books written by Armenians "Hitler ve Ermeni soykirimi" Kevork B. Bardakjian Türk kaynaklarında Ermeni soykırımı by Vahakn N. Dadrian Ermeni soykirimi: Ermenikirim. Nedenler, eylem, sonuçlar by Nikolay Hovhannisyan Ermeni soykirimi ve toplumsal hafiza Վերժինե Գառնիկի Սվազլյան those bolds signify something who are familiar with this subject, so these are not cases of Turkish usage. 
"Sözde Ermeni Soykırımı" About 855,000 results - you can't expect a random non-used phrase produce 855,00 results, can you? I guess this case is settled already. --Hnbkd (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

text: We prefer to google books rather than normal google search. Firstly because of Google bomb. Seconderly most of them (normal google search) aren't identifying reliable sources. Takabeg (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason to make such a distortion of the Turkish translation of the words "Armenian genocide"... Wikipedia does not represent the Republic of Turkey or its current point-of-view.--Davo88 (talk) 02:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia does not represent Republic of Armenia of Armenian diaspora either, hence I am correcting the mistake you guys have previously done, Armenian editor. --Tmhm (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your final warning concerning your racial comments towards other editors. Continued violations of civility will be reported. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your final warning concerning your behaviour as to pretend a Vbulletin forum moderator. Continued violations of know-your-place will be reported. Tmhm (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Turkish language 

message: In which section can we use them ? Takabeg (talk) 03:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish reactions 

message: Pretty sure that should say "Death by Drowning" or just "Drowning" rather than suffocation, but I don't want to make waves by doing a drive-by edit on a carefully watched page. Someone with some cred step in and fix that! The Masked Booby (talk) 09:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres - Suffocation 

message: In the section titled "Recognition of the Genocide" someone has mistakenly written "Armenia (already the second largest per capita after Israel)"referring to U.S. foreign aid. Egypt actually has the second largest per capita U.S. aid after Israel. Armenia actually receives no U.S. foreign aid according to the Congressional Report on Foreign Aid. Please remove the section in parenthesis.
71.175.144.11 (talk) 01:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source to verify this? Feel free to restore the edit semi-protected tag when you have this source. Hope this helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 331° 19' 0" NET 22:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I could point out that extraordinary claims require sources. The extraordinary claim here is the Armenia "second largest per capita after Israel" one, not the "Egypt actually has the second largest per capita U.S. aid" one,  However, a more pertinant question is why do you think such obviously off-topic content should remain in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.143.19 (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 71.175.144.11, 4 November 2010 

message: I don't know if anyone took a close look at those documents but they have no claim as if to how many Armenian were killed.  Not only that even though you will see that the number of Armenian citizens decreased in some cities (see adana) you will see that the numbers increased in others (see Kastamonou).  Not only that you will see that the muslim population decreased in almost every city.
Finally, the document from US_State_Department_Document_on Armenian Refugees does not comment on the number of deaths.  It states that app.96,000 Armenians were forced to change religion but absolutely no comment is made on how many Armenians died.  My point is this table doesn't support the claims made in this article, and is irrelevant to the rest of the article, and the title of the table it is presented under.  DenizCc (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have a point here. The text in that section basically concedes that the relevance is questionable. It may be a form of OR to have it here. Delia Peabody (talk) 15:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  confused by the Table: Armenian population, deaths, survivors 

message: Has any one checked the relevance of the photos published in the article, e.g., “The remains of Armenians massacred at Erzinjan”  there is no date and there is no location for this photo (Erzincan is a whole province), no author (licence for use?) not to mention that a part from the inserted caption nothing would suggest the pile of human remains belonged to Armenians or of the way these died. The “Map of massacre locations and deportation and extermination centers” this seems like original research to me. Hittit (talk) 22:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Erzinjan is not a whole province - in 1915 Erzinjan was a town in Erzurum province. If the image copyright note is correct, the photograph has a clearly stated source: fig 53 in chapter 27 of "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story" by Henry Morgenthau, published in 1918, with an unambiguous caption "A relic of the Armenian massacres at Erzingan. Such mementos are found all over Armenia".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.143.19 (talk) 02:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Photos 

message: Armenian Cathedral of the Holy Cross shows continuing political tension over treatment of Armenian cultural property within Turkish borders (here I think Turkish deconsecration of Armenian church to form Turkish museum).  At Ani, the failure to prevent vandalism of murals, and their whitewashing and/or removal likewise erodes Armenian heritage. People happy if I have a stab at including this? Thanks, BrekekekexKoaxKoax (talk) 02:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture section: Armenian Cathedral of the Holy Cross; wall paintings at Ani 

message: Can you kindly provide names of Armenian victims, their date of birth, manner of death and other information? Thank you?Yahalom Kashny (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't waste our time by asking such ridiculous questions. Your most recent edit onto this article alone violated about half a dozen of Wikipedia's rules and should it be added again, especially in such a bad faith manner, action from the administrators will be requested.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why, it's not ridiculous. I think he is right. Can you provide this information? But you must provide victims of the "genocide". Not the executed rebellious people because of their crimes or those innocent people who died because of hunger. I think Yahalom Kashny's question is a gentle question. Also, there are pictures from 1984 Erzurum, Turkey earthquake who some ultra nationalist Armenians claim they are pictures of the "genocide". Please do not show them here. Greetings.88.226.56.52 (talk) 20:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  "According to the documents, the number of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire before 1915 stood at 1,256,000. The number plunged to 284,157 two years later in 1917." I know the author mentioned, Murat Bardakci, personally and you are only writing the parts that you want to write. There was a deportation so it is normal that a great number of people are no longer in the Ottoman registry or whatsoever. You cannot come out and say that all the missing people (nearly 1 million) were killed when the accusations are delicate and the numbers very significant.
216.165.49.85 (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of Victims 

message: Why is it referred only to a Genocide when many have referred to it as the 20century's first Holocaust?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.13.10 (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to have a reliable source or something like that. 67.80.27.38 (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The word holocaust was used in English from the 18th Century in much the same way as it is today. It has come to mean mainly the extermination of European Jews, but that is recent. Writing in the 1920's, Winston Churchill used the word to describe the Armenian massacre. Ref:Winston Churchill, The World in Crisis, Volume 4: The Aftermath, New York, 1923, p. 158. Rumiton (talk) 12:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Armenian Holocaust? 

message: Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Ottoman Empire during this period, including Syriac-Aramaic, Assyrians and Greeks,
Ndouchi (talk) 02:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Ndouchi, 6 April 2011 

message: Under the heading Study of the Armenian Genocide there is a link to the British historian
Arnold Toynbee as having authored a 1917 report. Seeing as the British historian by that name, in the article from that link died in 1883, I'm guessing that the link should properly go to his nephew, Arnold J. Toynbee. The proper link is as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee
DrMichaelWright (talk • contribs) 21:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like that has been resolved by now. Favonian (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnold Toynbee 

message: in Joint Austrian and German mission section there is a smile (), after ref 61. --85.106.231.101 (talk) 15:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a joking matter, of course, but it was due to a small error in page reference, not vandalism, and it was corrected thusly. Favonian (talk) 15:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joint Austrian and German mission 

message: Can you kindly provide names of Armenian victims, their date of birth, manner of death and other information? Thank you?Yahalom Kashny (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't waste our time by asking such ridiculous questions. Your most recent edit onto this article alone violated about half a dozen of Wikipedia's rules and should it be added again, especially in such a bad faith manner, action from the administrators will be requested.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why, it's not ridiculous. I think he is right. Can you provide this information? But you must provide victims of the "genocide". Not the executed rebellious people because of their crimes or those innocent people who died because of hunger. I think Yahalom Kashny's question is a gentle question. Also, there are pictures from 1984 Erzurum, Turkey earthquake who some ultra nationalist Armenians claim they are pictures of the "genocide". Please do not show them here. Greetings.88.226.56.52 (talk) 20:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  "According to the documents, the number of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire before 1915 stood at 1,256,000. The number plunged to 284,157 two years later in 1917." I know the author mentioned, Murat Bardakci, personally and you are only writing the parts that you want to write. There was a deportation so it is normal that a great number of people are no longer in the Ottoman registry or whatsoever. You cannot come out and say that all the missing people (nearly 1 million) were killed when the accusations are delicate and the numbers very significant.
216.165.49.85 (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of Victims 

message: Under the topic "Defining genocide", "Many Turkish intellectuals have been prosecuted for characterizing the massacres as genocide." is stated. However in the following citations, namely 164 and 165, only Orhan Pamuk is mentioned. Also, Orhan Pamuk is a novelist, hardly a historan. He "has subsequently stated his intent was to draw attention to freedom of expression issues.", also the charges against him were dropped. 
Thus, the sentence used is misinforming by stating that "many" Turkish intellectuals were prosecuted. Furthermore, the sentence is ireelevant to the topic (the Armenian Genocide), as the mentioned writer did not use the term genocide because he believed it to be so, but to draw attention to freedom of expression issues. Palamut (talk) 06:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the word "persecuted" might be better than "prosecuted" - that word describes the situation more accurately since often it has involved the threat of possible prosecution, prosecutions that are never intended to be successful but which are intended to be warnings to others, and threats of violence from shady non-judicial groups. And it can go so far as to involve murder, of course. 93.97.143.19 (talk) 16:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction Regarding A Sentence At "Defining genocide" 

message: Please edit this page ! it doesnt obey your 5 rules! Give two idea neutral point of view. We think that there is no genocide so you have to edit it!
Neutral point of view (NPOV) as a mandatory editorial principle.
The ability of anyone to edit (most) articles without registration.
The "wiki process" and as the final decision-making mechanism for all content.
The creation of a welcoming and collegial editorial environment.
Free licensing of content; in practice defined by each project as public domain, GFDL, CC-BY-SA or CC-BY.
Maintaining room for fiat to help resolve particularly difficult problems. On the English Wikipedia, an Arbitration Committee has the authority to make certain binding, final decisions such as banning an editor. Other wikis have set up similar frameworks.
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Bozkurt93 (talk) 03:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Atmoz (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Bozkurt93, 9 February 2011 

message: Why is it referred only to a Genocide when many have referred to it as the 20century's first Holocaust?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.13.10 (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to have a reliable source or something like that. 67.80.27.38 (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The word holocaust was used in English from the 18th Century in much the same way as it is today. It has come to mean mainly the extermination of European Jews, but that is recent. Writing in the 1920's, Winston Churchill used the word to describe the Armenian massacre. Ref:Winston Churchill, The World in Crisis, Volume 4: The Aftermath, New York, 1923, p. 158. Rumiton (talk) 12:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Armenian Holocaust? 

message: Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Ottoman Empire during this period, including Syriac-Aramaic, Assyrians and Greeks,
Ndouchi (talk) 02:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Ndouchi, 6 April 2011 

message: Under the heading Study of the Armenian Genocide there is a link to the British historian
Arnold Toynbee as having authored a 1917 report. Seeing as the British historian by that name, in the article from that link died in 1883, I'm guessing that the link should properly go to his nephew, Arnold J. Toynbee. The proper link is as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee
DrMichaelWright (talk • contribs) 21:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like that has been resolved by now. Favonian (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnold Toynbee 

message: in Joint Austrian and German mission section there is a smile (), after ref 61. --85.106.231.101 (talk) 15:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a joking matter, of course, but it was due to a small error in page reference, not vandalism, and it was corrected thusly. Favonian (talk) 15:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joint Austrian and German mission 

message: Hello there
Please provide a link or mention of the Wikipedia page Persecution of Muslims, in particular the Balkan section.
I mean:
"According to Mark Levene, the Victorian public in the 1870s paid much more attention to the massacres and expulsions of Christians than to massacres and expulsions of Muslims, even if on a greater scale. He further suggests that such massacres were even favored by some circles. Mark Levene also argues that the dominant powers, by supporting "nation-statism" at the Congress of Berlin, legitimized "the primary instrument of Balkan nation-building": ethnic cleansing.[22] Hall points out that atrocities were committed by all sides during the Balkan conflicts. Deliberate terror was designed to instigate population movements out of particular territories. The aim of targeting the civilian population was to carve ethnically homogeneous countries.[23]
Justin McCarty estimates that between 1821 and 1922 around five and a half million Muslims were driven out of Europe and five million more were killed or died of disease and starvation while fleeing.[24] Cleansing occurred as a result of the Serbian and Greek independence in the 1820s and 1830s, the Russo-Turkish War 1877-1878, and culminating in the Balkan Wars 1912-1913. Mann describes these acts as “murderous ethnic cleansing on stupendous scale not previously seen in Europe” referring to the 1914 Carnegie Endowment report.[25][26] It is estimated that at the turn of the 20th century there were 4,4 million Muslims living in the Balkan zone of Ottoman control.[27] More than one million Muslims left the Balkans in the last three decades of the 19th century.[28] Between 1912 and 1926 nearly 2.9 million Muslims were either killed or forced to emigrate to Turkey.[27]
Between 10,000[29] and 30,000[30][31][32] Turks were killed in Tripolitsa by Greek rebels in the summer of 1821, including the entire Jewish population of the city. Similar events as these occurred also elsewhere during the Greek Revolution resulting in the eradication and expulsion of virtually the entire Turkish population of the Morea. These acts ensured the ethnic homogenization of the area under the rule of the future modern Greek state.[33] In 1830 the Muslims population in Morea is put at 300,000. In 1878 the Muslim inhabitants in Thessaly are estimated to be 150,000 and in 1897 the Muslims numbered 50,000 in Crete. By 1919 there were virtually no Muslims left in Morea and Thessaly and only 20,000 in Crete.[34]"
thanks very much
Halva22 (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the Armenian Genocide and nothing that you have mentioned above has anything at all to do with the Armenian Genocide. Most of the content discussed above is to do with the Greek War of Independence and the peaceful population exchange between the Ottoman Empire and Greece. Your selective interpretation is highly misleading, and although is made in good faith, fosters racial hatred. I politely ask you to be more careful with how you present these issues because your approach is likely to backfire very quickly.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 12:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think there is room for inclusion about the critical role that the muhajirs (immigrants) played during the Armenian Genocide. Many of the Muslims who were expelled or forced to flee from the Balkans or the Northern Caucasus (Circassians especially) during the wars of 1877-78 and later were installed in areas where the Armenian was relatively large. Given their relative affluence, many of the muhajirs harbored resentment toward the Armenians and while there were some clashes every now, things did not come to the fore until the genocide in 1915. There was a free-for-all competition to drive away or kill enthusiastically the inhabitants and seize their properties. If I'm not mistaken, these muhajirs then moved into the now empty homes. I need to find more sources but their mention is not completely out of place. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that is a useful contribution succinctly put.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 18:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a whole page on the Ethnic Cleansing of Circassians by Russia (the page is "of Circassians", but we should note that these "Cherkes" as the Turks called them also included many other peoples, some not even Muslim originally). I would say its important also to add that, as King points out in his book The Ghost of Freedom: A History of the Caucasus (as well as others, but I have this one on hand), the Ottomon Empire had a conscious policy of settling the Caucasian refugees in areas populated by Christian minorities in order to dilute their presence (hence, they were settled extensively in Trebizond, the Balkans and Western Armenia). The result however was a rise in tensions between the Christian populations and the Caucasian arrivals (esp. Circassians, some of whom at that time had a custom of raiding rival clans) at a time of crisis for the Ottomon Empire. Also I have a correction to make: Marshal is also a bit incorrect on the date of the arrival of the Circassians: there had been occasional floods of Caucasians fleeing Russia before the 1860s, then there was the main tidal wave of the Circassian expulsion (and of some others) in the 60s. There were further flights of Caucasian Muslims (not of Circassians-who were already largely gone- but mainly Chechens and Dagestanis) into the Ottomon Empire after the failed uprising in 1877-8, but these were marginal compared to earlier waves. Then there were the various flights of Muslims out of the Balkans (often ethnic Turks, but also Bosnians, Albanians, Hungarians and Muslim Bulgarians), mainly fleeing newly-established Christian states who persecuted them. At large, all of these "waves" had the effect of "rocking" the ship (if I continue my metaphor) of the Ottomon Empire and thus greatly destabilizing it, especially from the perspective of the social relations between ethnic groups. In addition, it is easy to imagine how in this era of ethnic cleansing, Talaat and the others got the idea that they could get away with an attempt to wipe out an entire people. --Yalens (talk) 21:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please provide a link to the Wikipedia page Persecution of Muslims, in particular the Balkan section. 

message: Hi - I read a lot about world history, especially conflict situations like Cyprus, The Holocaust, Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia etc.   I often find the talk pages more interesting than the articles, because you get a sense of the underlying debates.  It's also common to see aggressive & partisan editing being contained by small teams of patient, fair & ethical volunteers.    As a wikireader, I wish to thank Meowy, THOTH, VartanM & The Myotis for their work on this page.   Well done!
:You better not thank Meowy. An unhonest person who tried to falsify history with sockpuppets.:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Meowy/Archive) 
Chonanh (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message of Thanks To The Editors 

message: Why there isn't any word about Admiral Bristol's paper in the article?: www.tallarmeniantale.com/Bristol__Mark_Lambert.pdf --88.235.131.65 (talk) 22:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because these article is hijacked by Armenians and their supporters. Critical voices are not welcome.
Chonanh (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bristol Paper 

message: I was suprised that Hitler's famous quote in order to justify his decision about committing genocide "After all who remembers Armenians today?" is not included in the article. I think it is very important but I am not sure which place is the most suitable for this one. Do you have any idea ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali55te (talk • contribs) 20:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As is seen in its article, the Armenian quote is of dubious origin. It is a text given to an American journalist in Berlin by "someone". Two other texts of Hitler's two sepeeches he made on the same day were found, but neither contains any allusions to Armenians. Therefore it is not reliably proved that Hitler made such an allusion to Armenians, therefore its use in an article as if an authentic historical fact would not be correct. Filanca (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What you state is only an Original Research, Filanca. 195.170.108.10 (talk) 12:52, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I based what I wrote above to the Armenian quote article. It looks like well documented. Filanca (talk) 15:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article you mentioned miss lots of information and referenes I will fix that soon. Recently in 2007 a German scholar Richard Albrecht published a book related to this issue and first time he published the original L-3 document http://www.h-net.org/announce/show.cgi?ID=160809 and he states that  the version which is published by the Louis P. Lochner is the one which is closest to the summery of the Hitler's speech on that day. Ali55te (talk) 16:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I've read the abstract of Albrecht's article and made some more research. It looks like there is still contraversy regarding the Armenian quote. For example, while Norman Naimark said that we can not be certain if Hitler really referred to Armenians in that speech, in the Armenian quote article, this was written in an ambigious way and rather Mr Naimark's words "Nazi leadership was surely aware of the Armenian genocide" were emphasized -- I do not say the second is unimportant, but as for the authenticity of this quote, his direct remark on it is more relevant. I've wrote Mr Naimark's opinion about the authenticty of the quote in an unabiguous way. I've also added another recent source questioning the Armenian quote. I've gathered all those in the "contesting interpretations" section since the entrance paragraph was becoming bloated. Filanca (talk) 21:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The most recent person I've read commenting on the quote has been Margaret Lavinia Anderson, professor of history at the University of California, Berkeley, in a book published this year. She writes "we have no reason to doubt the remark [i.e., the Armenian Quote] is genuine" ("Who Still Talked about the Extermination of the Armenians: German Talk and German Silences" in A Question of Genocide: Armenians and Turks at the End of the Ottoman Empire, ed. R. Suny (Oxford, 2011), p. 199). I posted this on the talk page of the Armenian Quote article some months ago.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

text: It is written as "Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?" in German. Ali55te (talk) 21:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the source about 1014-PS containing the Armenian quote? Filanca (talk) 10:14, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler's Quote 

message: Change Constantinople to Istanbul.
91.157.58.98 (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical references always use "Constantinople" to refer to the city, "Istanbul" was not it's official name until 1930. For references after 1930, the name "Istanbul" would be used. KettleCooker (talk) 16:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Per the above - and, no reference - 
  Chzz  ►  04:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 91.157.58.98, 14 September 2011 

message: We must remove edits of User:Ali55te. If we permit his/her edits, he/she may give up. Because he/she will know all of his/her efforts will become wasted. If we don't permit his/her edits he/she mill come back here. Especially dealing with Turkish sources, we have to pay attention to the fact that User:Ali55te twisted sources for his/her own original explanation. Above all, we must not make forhabitual offenders like him/her to get a taste of sockpuppecy. 
Same discussion is continuing in Talk:Istanbul Pogrom#Edit by Sockpuppet (User:Ali55te). Takabeg (talk) 03:28, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by Sockpuppet ([[User:Ali55te]]) 

message: We need to include "Yes, It's Genocide" by Serj Tankian under Music, it also about this tragedy. Serj is Armenian, and the song is completely in Armenian as well. Sicarius001 (talk) 10:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Update 

message: Many readers may not even be aware that it is the same physical place. 
The point is to situate the reader geographically. Thus, I believe this could achieved by replacing "Constantinople" by "Constantinople (modern day Istanbul)" in the first mention without any lose of Historical perspective.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veryseriousperson (talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe the article should clarify (at least once) that Constantinople is modern day Istanbul 

message: To correct a point of fact in this otherwise excellent article, the painting by Arshile Gorky "the Artist and his Mother" is not in the Cafesjian museum in Yerevan. It is in the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York. Other paintings by Gorky are in the MoMA and Metropolitan museums in that city. ----  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arshilovna (talk • contribs) 17:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed that incorrect information. But I think your "this otherwise excellent article" comment is equally incorrect! I don't know of a worse-written article. Meowy 01:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this is a horribly biased article. For example - the recounting of every politician who has failed to "officially recognize the genocide" smacks of outrageous bias. It is also a catalog of weasel words from start to finish. Even if this article is entirely accurate accurate (I'm not equipped to judge) the lack of a neutral tone immediately renders me suspicious of heavy nationalist bias. Manning (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are not equipped to judge, maybe you should have kept your opinions to yourself until you get equipped? However, this article will not help much in the equiping. The problem with this article is that it is far too long and far too convoluted, is full of off-topic material, and seems to have been written for the editors who wrote it rather than for any users who would wish to read it. Its bias arises from the fact that much content has been put there as a response to genocide deniers. This is an entirely wrong way to write an article. Do we write articles on geography for those who think, and who will always think, that the earth is flat? Meowy 18:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  armenian genocide