Talk:Kol Nidre

message: I'm a bit mindboggled by the sections on the source of the melody. The theory that it is a synthesis of dark-age plainsong is not presented impartially, but as if it were fact, with no scholarship or evidence to back it up. Our articles need to be well-sourced; our readers turn to the material for truth, not opinion. Jenniestein (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. JFW | T@lk 22:28, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  talk / discussion 

message: Did medieval Jews still do too much vowing? Also, so this formula preemptively annuls any such vow, right? Then why wasn't this coupled with an explicit prohibition of making vows of the type that this declaration annuls? 76.24.104.52 (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How culturally relevant was this vow issue in post-Biblical times? 

message: I was wondering what year Meïr ben Samuel (or others) invoked the future tense. anyone?
¶  Meir ben Samuel and his son Jacob (Rabbenu Tam) are 12th century.  Cannot find more precise date.Sussmanbern (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Origin of the future tense? 

message: An important alteration in the wording of the "Kol Nidre" was made by Rashi's son-in-law, Meïr ben Samuel, who changed the original phrase "from the last Day of Atonement until this one" to "from this Day of Atonement until the next." Thus the dispensation of the "Kol Nidre" was not as formerly a posteriori and concerned with unfulfilled obligations of the past year, but a priori and having reference to vows which one might not be able to fulfil or might forget to observe during the ensuing year. Meïr ben Samuel likewise added the words "we do repent of them all" (), since, according to the Law, real repentance is a condition of dispensation. The reasons assigned for this change were that an "ex post facto" annulment of a vow was meaningless, and that, furthermore, no one might grant to himself a dispensation, which might be given only by a board of three laymen or by a competent judge ("mumḥeh"). Meïr ben Samuel cited further, in support of his arguments, Ned. 23b, which reads: "Whoever wishes all the vows he may make throughout the year to be null and void shall come at the beginning of the year and say: 'May all the vows which I shall vow be annulled.'" This change made by Meïr ben Samuel is given by Rabbenu Tam in his "Sefer ha-Yashar" (ed. Venice, 1816, § 144), although it did not emanate from him, as the old authorities incorrectly supposed (e.g., Isaac ben Moses of Vienna, "Or Zarua'," p. 126b; Aaron ha-Kohen of Lunel, "Orḥot Ḥayyim," p. 106b; RoSH to Ned. 23b and Ṭur Oraḥ Ḥayyim, § 619).
from:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=K&artid=340
¶I do not know if this relates to Meir ben Samuel or anyone else significant, but SOME versions of the future provision say "until the next Yom Kippur, may it come with goodness" and OTHERS say "until the next Yom Kippur, may it come in peace".  The Aramaic text differs on the last word, although obviously there's not an appreciable difference in meaning. Sussmanbern (talk) 06:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The Version of Meïr ben Samuel.

message: Is there a reason not to present the text of the Kol Nidre recitation??  I was thinking of the three column - Hebrew print, transliteration, and English translation - presentation of the text, perhaps with a few footnotes on variations of the text.  If somebody wants it, I could try to work it up.  Sussmanbern (talk) 02:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All this is treated in the article already, twice and explicitly, and we don't need it here again. And we don't need you to hand out commands here. Wikipedia is about community editing by a process of consensus forming. Debresser (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text of Kol Nidre 

message: Could be have a picture of the tune in standard musical notation? This would be of immense help. Gingermint (talk) 23:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tune

message: As sublime and magnificent as kevakarat roe' edro may be, it is part of unesana tokef and not kol nidre. Therefore, as this article is about one specific piece of they Yom Kippur service and not the service in its entirety, unless I receive some feedback otherwise in the near future, I plan on getting rid of the audio.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavrielyosef (talk • contribs) 02:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio

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