Talk:Heroes (American TV series)/Archive 1

message: Much of this article comes from a press release, and should be revised so as not to appear as an advertisement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Transcendentalstate (talk • contribs) 17:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement

message: Does it make sense to anyone that there is a redirect from Heroes to Hero and that the Hero page links to a rather crowded disam page? I'm not sure how to correct this problem, but it seems to me that the current behavior is not very useful to users who may be searching for this page. How should this be corrected? Erechtheus 19:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Searching for Heroes 

message: Possible Spoilers Below (not sure of the protocol on a discussion page but have put this anyway
Having seen the pilot I would question some of the information given on the page - In particular listing the character of Peter Peterelli as a hero with the ability to fly; as, in the pilot, he only dreams of flying and in fact when he attempts to fly later it is his brother who saves him by flying.
So it is unclear as to whether his character will fly, but as of the pilot he certainly doesn't.
I changed the table to match the Pilot information, and added a spoilers warningTranscendentalstate 17:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the pilot; (at the risk of the spoiler in question) the candidate has the flight skills, contrary to what the promos imply. Mhking 03:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: So it's confirmed that Peter can fly. But he also has some precognitive ability. bluemonq 21:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible error in Information 

message: I notice some odd and increasingly frequent switching between the Petrelli brothers powers. Is this just people who've seen the ads, not the pilot or another case of last minute changing like with the usage of that Batman Begins track? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the pilot; (at the risk of the spoiler in question) the candidate has the flight skills, contrary to what the promos imply. Mhking 03:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: So it's confirmed that Peter can fly. But he also has some precognitive ability. bluemonq 21:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which brother?

message: What is the point in the Global CH thing? Why does it matter that the show is airing on Global and CH television networks, when the show isn't even produced by them? It't not really target to a Canadian audience anyways. 24.36.231.48 16:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global / CH? 

message: I added a spoiler warning that is common on Wikipedia for television shows that haven't yet or are currently airing. Spoiler will need to be removed after the series finale, whenever that is.Lobot72 21:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added spoiler warning 

message: When the show airs the speculation that Niki's alter ego is a villian will need to be either confirmed or removed if that assumption is wrong.Lobot72 21:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done; Removed. That shouldn't be there anyway. Thanks for bringing it up. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niki's alter ego 

message: It says in the article that the pilot was made available on iTunes as a free download on the first of September; however, I have been looking there since then and have been unable to find it. Is it on there and I'm not looking in the right place, or is it not on there yet and there is a factual error in the article? Please help... 71.193.74.50 21:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the section. It's a crosspromotion. I take it you didn't see a movie first. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Thanks for clearing that up. 71.193.74.50 22:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unable to find it 

message: "Niki Sanders 	33 Female 	Las Vegas Cam Girl 	"Powerful alter-ego""
Wouldn't a better description for her superpower be astral projection? I have only seen the NBC advertisement, but, it seems like that is what she does. NorthernThunder 05:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nein. "virtual reality projection" the closet related form of astral projection I can find, still features the same underlying constant of astral projection: one person. The term "Alter-ego" is being used loosely. Niki and Mirror Niki seem to be distinct individuals. The possibility Mirror-Niki could have killed whilst Niki is innocent should be a good indicator of that. Hers will certainly be the trickiest of powers to get a lock on. Heck, they may have just created it as a Heroes original. (I didn't see the pilot yet, either, so I'm working from the ads, too.) ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character superpower 

message: Check the edit history, I've been a faithful editor helping to keep this page sane and you lock me out!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.135.161.74 (talk • contribs) at 02:20, September 26, 2006
:Chill out, dude. First off, try registering. It's not enough to just edit pages. You should really use an account. Second, the page was semi-protected to prevent various users, well intentioned or otherwise, from doing damage to the page. Believe me, it's better this way...for the time being.
:If you need any advice, contact me. Oh and BTW, sign your comments. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the...? 

message: Hey, peeps.  Toquinha here, I wrote the first version of the Heroes pilot episode.  Is there a preferred format for the way it is written?  As the show tends to evolve around several characters, it seemed appropriate to group each one appropriately by character.  This may not necessarily work for later episodes, though, although it seemed to work best here.  Any other comments? Toquinha 14:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply writing based on the time of events would be more appropriate. The characters will eventually be meeting and certain events were already being experienced by multiple persons. I was considering a full rewrite of that...if you'll excuse me, mess when I had more time. So, "no" to seperating characters. It confuses the timeline and makes it harder to mention certain events. Besides, summaries like that are what character articles are for. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preferred format for episode synopsis? 

message: I think the antagonist and th Indian guy, I don't remember his name, should be added to the list of main characters.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolugomi (talk • contribs) at 00:13, September 27, 2006 
:What? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 02:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a reasonable idea, I'd second it. --DJ Chair 19:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I went ahead and changed it. Kafziel Talk 19:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can someone please revert the "location" column back to "origin"?  Someone changed it over the weekend, and I thought it had been agreed upon (granted by a small number of us) that origin made more sense then location. --DJ Chair 12:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be Bold. Stop asking for someone to change it for you. Just do it. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 14:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until just now, I couldn't.  I've only been a user for a couple of weeks and the page was blocked for editing by new users. --DJ Chair 15:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank heaven for small miracles. It's "Place of origin" now, as it should be, if anything. The relavence of that whole column is dubious, however. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main characters 

message: I removed it, since the show has aired. All the advertisements were to hype the show, and that's it. It's pretty pointless to leave it on the article still. RobJ1981 04:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising section 

message: The Online comics is seen in the hands of Micah Sanders (Niki's young son) !--Brown Shoes22 14:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Online comics ! 

message: Please remove Geek from Hiro's occupation.
:Looks like someone did. Applegamer 18:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geek is not a profession. 

message: In the Tokyo bar scene in Ep 1x01 two guys in basketball shirts are singing "I want it that way" .. are they the same two guys made famous on YouTube a while back singing the same song? --RickMeasham 13:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I want it that way" in 1x01 

message: Should there be a separate section for this, for at least the time being? For instance, interesting to note that Hiro's co-worker Ando was viewing Niki's site. If you advance frame by frame, you'll see the page on the screen for a split second just disappearing, courtesy of some rapid clicking.bluemonq 01:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial Links between Characters? 

message: He isn't in the show, why is he in the "Starring..." list?--BGOATDoughnut 21:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it.  Not sure why it was changed - either vandalism or just confusion I guess. :)  --Aldryd 01:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, it was confusing me a little, and, apparently, I can't edit this page, so I couldn't take action.--lolicontributed 02:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither could I. I have question regarding that, what's an established user? Established user for all of Wikipedia in general or just this article? UnDeRsCoRe 02:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A registered user with a notible amount of edits and history. (Like...five hundred over a month.) It's one reason to register (early) and get/stay active. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how it works. You just have to have a four-day-old account. That counts as established. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had mine since June, I make a reasnable amount of edits so well, I guess I'm establised. Yeah :p! UnDeRsCoRe 00:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bobby Lee? 

message: Several people have told me that the show is similar to my own series of short stories dealing with people with unique abilities. I can't provide widespread proof at the moment, because my story is witha publisher right now being reviewed, but I can email a couple chapters to anyone interested. They were available online for quite a while, which may lend credibility to the theory... Personally, I think the similarities are insusbstantial (my first chapter is about a kid who can fly and dreams about it, and it ends there, pretty much) and coincidental, but it might be worth noting. Not that I'm noteworthy. Email me if you're interested. Buddy13 20:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds cool. If you ever get your work distributed, feel free to mention it. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The flying as dream is pretty common. Neil Gaiman did it in a promo 8 pager for Sandman, and it's occurred in many other places. Still, best of luck to the publishing chances. ThuranX 02:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another similar work 

message: I've just watched the first episode off of TiVo and came to this article for the first time to look something up, and I have a question:  What exactly is the encyclopaedic value of the lengthy [Similarities to other works] section?  My best guess is that it's fancruft that inspired this subsection more than any particular desire to enhance the factual basis of the article.   
If the creators of the show have said in interviews that this or that source inspired them, then by all means cite that interview, but as it stands now this is Original Research, i.e. drawing comparisons between this show and other fictional works which may not be anything more than coincidence.  -Markeer 01:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was kinda thinking the same time the way it piled up. Still, the similarity alone is notible. Maybe I'll remove the section and make a category for them all. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the value of the "Similarities to other works" section? 

message: Is it worth noting that Hiro/Hero is a less than subtle naming choice, not unlike Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, and it's lead character, Hiro Protagonist. I'm not sure how or if this is article-worthy, but perhaps consensus can give us an idea? ThuranX 02:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he's not the star,—like...on a title character level—but it is a very likely they didn't just pick the name at random. Still, that's more of aa thing for the character article, not here. Also, it's close an that insultingly obvious realm where making a note might seem redundant or otherwise unnecessary. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiro 

message: in the second episode "Syler" is mentioned a lot, i think its obvious he's got some sort of power, should we add an article or name, or wait for more info? And what about that one girl who's with mohinder? Royboy5371 02:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Already added him, with the more obvious and forgivable speculation. I'll correct the spelling. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, tonight, 9 Oct. And I wrote it up exactly as it appeared, without speculation into Sylar's power, though it's probably telekinesis at a molecular level, given his freezing abilities, and the fact that no one yet in the show has truly diverse, unthemed powers. ThuranX 01:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't compare it to superman - he was dropped by the gunshots, and when he stood up you can hear the 'plink' of the bullets hitting the ground. Perhaps he was able to pull the bullets out of himself? That in turn might suggest a similar healing factor, but invulnerability? I don't really think so. I have a feeling if he was shot from behind he would've been done for.Knightrojen 07:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar 

message: I noticed this at about halfway through the episode, but there's a symbol that reoccurs every time Syler is connected. The genome on the computer, the arrangement of pool toys at the murder scene,and the paintings when Hiro arrives at Isaac's place. It seems to resemble this f. Is their any clue as to what pertinance this has so far? -InsaneZeroG 03:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The significance of each victim is relative. I'm almost certain Sylar didn't kill the guy at the scene Matt was in so that a "hero"—let alone Matt, specifically—would find him. We don't know for sure how Chandra—Mohinder's dad—died. Amd no offense to mister Mendez, but Isaac seems like easy prey. This is what I'd called speculative and circumstantial. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the f. If you'll look closely at it you'll notice it has two lines on the bottom curve making it look more like a strand of RNA. It's all over the place if you watch for it. It's been seen in atleast six places in the second episode. Anyways, My feeling is that we should wait till it atleast appears in another episode before it's added to the actual page. The better bard 07:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Uh..kayy. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it's not just in murder scenes. It appears on the 9th Wonders comic Hiro picks up at the newsstand, on a post-it note placed on Mohinder's board, and in the code scrolling through the computer program.SuperJerms 22:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sylar appears to be white. Sorry. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 02:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I have a good one that my buddie made but I have no clue about Wikipedia's image rules or anything, Here's the Image. But if you want a screen cap I could find find one of those too.The better bard 20:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I'll put it up in a sec. JQF 19:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird symbol 

message: Should someone add to Isaac's occupation, "Writer"? I was watching it again online, and in the comic that Hiro was reading, the back lists Isaac as a writer/artist.
Also, while Niki was talking to that red-head they mentioned D.L. a couple of times, as if he were Micah's biological father. 
69.140.12.149 19:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both correct and notible. However, the thing with Isaac happened in an altrernate future Hiro narrowly escaped from. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Production of a comic from finished art to press would take a month or more, for the quality of color printing seen in the show. I'd say it's valid to add Sequential artist, as I already did, or writer/artist as it also was at one point. Should this really be a problem for some, I'm willing to wait a week for more information, but not much more than that. I think this is a case of common sense prevailing, and we should re-add the info. ThuranX 02:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaac's Occupation; Niki's relation to D.L. 

message: At the murder scene with Matt in the second epidode, there seems to be a parody of C.S.I. and possibly Cold Case with the two females, the blonde and the redhead, at the crime scene.  Maybe this is enough for the trivia section?Bryanedp9 20:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtful. I'm banking on a coincidence. And, even if it is, it's sketchy at best. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  C.S.I. Parody? 

message: When you here the message from sylith,(i forgot how to spell his name) he mentions his hunger. Do you think that has any thing to do thing to do with the removal of brains. I think he needs to feed on them inorder to stay alive or somthing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.249.248 (talk • contribs) 23:20, October 3, 2006
:Excellent point. We don't want to venture too deep into the realm of speculation, but I'll make a note. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunger? 

message: The introduction says 14.3 million viewers. The NBC promos suggest 25 million. Any idea which is "true" (in the hazy world of ratings : ) - jc37 01:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  14.3 is the number from the Nielsen ratings for the premiere on NBC (on 9/25). I'm not sure how NBC came up with 25, possibly if they factored in the additional broadcasts (NBC & Sci-Fi channel) and the various places it could be found online... Purely speculation though. Ollie 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  14.3? 

message: Could this D.L. Hawkins guy be the same person that Niki and her friend (forgot the name) were talking about? The one that would supposedly protect Niki but is on the run from the law.--68.90.60.104 02:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: D.L. Hawkins is Niki's husband, so yes, he is the same guy. -pandaki 06:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  D.L. Hawkins 

message: This Talk page has become over-wrote with duplicate comments, due in part to section headers that are ambiguous.  I believe that we need to come to a quick agreement on how to best organize this page before it becomes too cluttered and utterly useless to all but the most fanatical of fanboys.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Chair (talk • contribs)  
:Normally talk pages can be archived when they get big enough, but these discussions are mostly current and/or too recent to move. It's fine for now. Believe me - this talk page is nothing compared to some of the ones you'll see here. Kafziel Talk 16:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yah, what Kafziel said.  At the end of October I'd say do an "archive to date" since some of the unknowns about the characters will be clearer, and it will clear the page up for "Sweeps" month debates since all Nov. episodes of network shows tend to be new. -Markeer 16:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking it may be time to clean this talk page up now as it's getting very unruly.  If my count is correct theirs like 4 or 5 sections for the symbol. Also all of the character specific topics should be moved to that characters talk page theres no reason for it to be on the shows main talk page it just gets too cluttered.  Barring any objections I will go ahead and do the archive tonight around 12am EST  -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  22:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up this Talk page 

message: From NBC's graphic novel\comic it's clear that Hiro is not named because it sounds like "hero":
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_002.pdf
I suggest removing that sentence entirely as it's not encyclopaedic in my opinion. Whysquared 22:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The in-story reason for his naming is irrelevant to non-fictional reason. The punny uses make that clear. Still, I'll alter the sentence and move it to the proper article. BTW, sign your comments, mate.ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There. Anyway, it may be a pun, but I think the article should clarify about the reason behind the name. Whysquared 22:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The information has been moved to Hiro's article. I'm doing the same with another bit of "trivia" now. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiro's name 

message: How do you all feel about adding Mr. Linderman to the other character section on the main page?  I know he hasn't been shown yet, but he has directly affected two of the characters, Nathan (looking for a contribution) and Niki (looking to even the score.)  What do you think? --DJ Chair 18:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been connected to two main characters.  I'd say that's worth mention. Chulbert 13:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yah, he's been added to the list by Ace. --DJ Chair 14:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Linderman 

message: I'm starting this thread in response to an unsigned comment (now deleted) by another editor asking this question. Since Heroes is a going concern and likely to have a lot of editors both registered and anonymous I'd like to request the admin who chose to lock to page please give a brief reason here for the benefit of any newcomers (actually such a note should have been placed earlier - maybe it was and I missed it). As an admin myself I know why the page was locked, but since I didn't do it, the admin who made the call should be given first refusal on explaining the reason for anyone who wants to know. Cheers! 23skidoo 13:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as that little blue box clearly states, it's a vandalism inspired lock, and it's only against users without accounts, not logged into their accounts, and new accounts. thos of us who've been on wikipedia for any substantial time can still edit it.ThuranX 15:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't call four days substantial, but I digress. I can tell you why. (Still, like you assumed, it's been mentioned, and like X said, it's pretty obvious.) I made a request for protect over the whole Peter powers thing. There's still a lot of uncertain and bad edits even with GIPUs blocked, so, I doubt this page will be unprotected for a while. Frankly, I wish the rules could be changed to the numbers I mentioned before someguy's correction. If this page is any example, four days doesn't weed out...well...stupidity.
Now, as an Admin, I'm sure you can understand. Err- well...not sure. I mean...if the reasoning had to be explained...feh. I'm rambling. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is page locked? 

message: Yes! I found it! It's the October 9-14 TVGUIDE. Booya, my friends. Sorry for my disbelief. Word for word:  Forgive the copyvio, but this is big. Tim is also quoted as saying that Niki must learn how to "unify this other side of her and ultimately control." "other side" is vague, but I think "control it" definitely means something. Oh, and the guide just also happens to state, "The tortured artist predicts the future when he paints in a heroin-induced daze." (I know. It's almost exactly what we had written.) Plus, "Early in the season he's trying to figure out if these powers exist when he isn't high," Kring says. We'll learn him and make notes along the way, of course. Oh yeah...this next one just fucked me sideways: Micah does have a power, it's different from his parents—they're not telling—and DL isn't introduced until the fifth ep. Next ep (Oct. ninth) is apparently going to be a test of "just how tough [Claire] is." Are you excited? I'm excited. They keep referring to her as "indestructable" and such. I'm beginning to wonder if this is just a simplified explanation or something more. Healing factor meets invulnerability? Logan meets Clark? We'll see, we'll see.
Oh yeah. "It's no coincidence we named him Hiro," Kring says. Who called it? No, seriously...I don't remember. There's also some stuff confirming the obvious. Nathan doesn't want a power, Sylar is a killer, et cetera. Hey, Kaffy, if you're still watching, I've got a question: You want want proof? You can't handle the proof! :-D ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did no one read this section or the latest TV Guide? For shame, guys. I thought you all cared. :( ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That would be me. There's no URL thatr I can find, but I can tell you the author. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TVGUIDE citation! 

message: All of the references I can find for the cast indicate that the character's name is "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" so I changed his listing back in the character table and cited the tvguide.com page.  As a side note, his last name doesn't necessarily have to be Bennet just because it's Claire's last name.  I know several people who don't have the same last name as their father.  --Aldryd 15:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, there's no "guy" or "man" at the end of his title. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 15:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any thoughts on this link? Ozzie Grigsby is a crew member from the show (though I've no idea what he does), and he is referring to Linderman and HRG in the same breath there. Now, I was thinking that the current wiki info is correct and that Linderman is the mob boss, but I did want to bring it up. Thoughts? SuperJerms 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't put too much weight in the comments on a forum. I can say from the mistakes of others that characters thought to be similar or the same aren't always. Horny was thought to be Sylar at one point. It's all unproven spec—and downright stupid in some cases—until we see hard evidence otherwise. I recall, once, William Magnus and Charles "Charlie" Szasz were illustrated similarly in a book. Nothing really came of it, beyond changes to distinguish the two, but the recent questioning of who "Charlie" was fueled a bit. Anyway, I'd disregard stuff like that, dude. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah don't put too much weight in what I say on the boards. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's just to kick up a discussion. I will try to catch things here if they get too off base, but everyone's doing an awesome job. Oh, and it's "Ollie" Grigsby. ;)   Ollie 22:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: In the third episode, one of Claire's friends calls him "Mr. Bennet". You can debate what his technical "character name" is, but I think this should indicate "Mr. Benet" is a better name to identify the character with in the article. Alienmercy 02:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His name in the script in Horn Rimmed Glasses, that's the name we use/--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 12:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" 

message: While I'm on the subject, how much should the above site be used as a reference? It is semi-official, it does have writers and cast running around, and it also has many spoilers floating around from the horse's mouth. Much of it would be useful in the wiki (e.g. reference to the Dreamtime as a writing inspiration for either Hiro or Issac, reference to Mosaic (genetics) as a writing inspiration for Peter, and a host of spoilers about coming episode content), but is it in-bounds? After all, crew might comment on things in the rushes that end up on the editing room floor, they might say the wrong thing, or they might just be screwin with the fans.
My gut says it would be just as useful as official forums are in other wikipedia articles, but seems like it's worth discussing first. SuperJerms 05:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest that only those facts derived from interviews and 'official articles' would be useful, while in-thread commentary would not. There MIGHT be an exception if there's abosulte proof that a poster is genuinely part of the crew or cast, but that's hard to verify on a forum. ThuranX 05:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but remember that this is not a fan forum, it is run by someone working with NBC. It isn't just some random person saying, "I'm a crewmember, I promise," or, "My friend says he knows the director's hair-stylest, and she says...." The site has specific categories for show writers (scribblers), crew, and cast, as well as exclusive content and art assets. SuperJerms 03:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's true that you can verify who is actual crew on 9th wonders, but it's also true that you can't always trust what's coming out of their mouths. While none of us would outright lie, there are definitely times when a comment could be open for interpretation. I'd say 9th Wonders could be used as a source but only when the comment is presented in a very straightforward manner. Ollie 22:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is 9thwonders.com Cast/Crew Forum Chat Useful? 

message: :From the article:
:"According to the official NBC website, not only do the characters discover what having superpowers means to them, but also uncover a larger picture concerning the origin of their superpowers. The characters eventually become involved in each other's lives as they attempt to evade the series antagonist, who wishes to harness their "super DNA" for his own ends.
That last part seems speculative. I didn't see anything on the official website that says anything about the antagonist wanting to harness their DNA, only that they will save the world. We either need a citation or to remove it.
Also, it might be worth adding a section into the article talking about similar shows to Heroes, or about the perceived similarities. I know I've seen it discussed in the press. Thoughts?—Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperJerms) (talk • contribs) 03:27, October 10, 2006
To the first, I'd say "citation needed", though it seems to be coming true either way. To the second, we had something like that. Went too far and began to lack purpose. A lot of fiction, surprisingly, deals with themes similar to heroes. And news articles mentioning similar work don't mean anything. I've seen the web likend to a "counter culture utopia". It's POV, cited or not, and it doesn't help the article. BTW, sign your comments with four tildes. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Synopsis Section 

message: What is her character name / actress name?Tbmorgan74 20:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eden Mackenzie Rihk 20:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chandra Suresh's Neighbor 

message: In the second episode, pete is in the hospital and is seen drawing a picture of him levitating that would come true. Many people say that he mimiced the power (witch is probebly right) and used it withought drugs. This would be true at first glance but the chances are that pete had some form of morphine or another drug in his system while at the hospital, so he to might need to use drugs to enhance the powers.
:Why would he be on morphine? The most he would be given is some tylenol, unless he had a debilitating illness or broken bones or something. He's obviously able to move his arms and legs, so it doesn't look too bad. I do think he was tranquilized, though. Probably given some sort of sedative to keep him sleeping for awhile. Rihk 22:11 13 October 2006
::Why would he be on a tranq? He was (supposedly) commiting suicide, jumping from a building. They wouldn't tranq you if you survived, you'd be on pain pills. I think this is discussed further up in regards to Petey's prediction of his walking on air to his brother (which is horizontal, not vertical, like it was stated)Knightrojen 07:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sedated to keep him asleep to recover while they run some tests and to de-stress and rest. I suppose if he had injured himself in an uncontrolled fall to the ground, he would need pain relievers, but Nathan did not need any pain relievers at all, leading me to think that Peter was sedated for depression. Rihk 01:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pete's image 

message: I liked the template that was implemented on the 10th of October for the addition characters.  It cleaned up the design a little and made it not seem _so_ messy.  Who's with me on implementing it that way instead of tossing everything into columns, as opposed to columns and rows? --DJ Chair 22:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  character template 

message: Erm... I got the impression that was actually D.L. Hawkins, not Benett's associate. Him being unreadable to Matt and causing him to faint would kinda fit in the whole supernatural fugitive story, wouldn't it? Besides, he looks like the actor that's supposed to be portraying D.L. -- 89.172.29.21 10:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would D.L.'s power (phasing) be the cause of Matt's passing out at the bar?  Maybe, and more likely, the beer he was drinking had been tampered with and he was drugged. (You heard it here first, if I'm right, you all owe me a dollar!) --DJ Chair 13:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, wouldn't that be the pinnacle of phasing - being not only able to disappear and/or blend into your surroundings but also being able to both passively and actively counter any attempt at reading. After all, what good would phasing do if it were possible for others to read your mind? :) Re: beer - thought of that too, but beer was from tap and besides, he could read the bartender and others in the immediate vicinity, remember? 89.172.29.21 16:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Damn... you were right after all :P 89.172.9.107 21:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: They are played by different actors according to IMDB .  The mysterious man is played by Jimmy Jean-Louis and D.L. by Leonard Roberts.  --musicpvm 13:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-read what i wrote. I never implied they were played by the same actor. 89.172.29.21 16:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: One might also want to note that Mystery Man In Bar is wearing a necklace whose charm is the same half-helix DNA symbol seen on Mohinder's father's book, in the algorithm for the "mutant-tracking" program, drawn on the pages of Claire's school textbook, afloat in the pool of the Walker's house (Sylar's victims in episode 2), and scrawled on the various faces on Sylar's map... I'm sure that symbol's elsewhere that I missed. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The half-helix seems to be just about everywhere you look in every other scene :) I'm not sure anymore if it's supposed to mean anything in specific or is just a comic-like leitmotif. 89.172.29.21 16:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be notable to include a section about all the sightings of the half helix? I.e. in the pool of the scene with the empath cop?Knightrojen 07:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreadable character in the bar 

message: Ok, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about with this, but I wanted to run it by everyone before saying anything on the main page.  As much as I'm enjoying this show, I'm pretty sure that they got the solar eclipse in the pilot very wrong.  If I remember correctly, every main character seemed to be able to see the eclipse at the same time.  First of all, the characters in New York and the characters in Japan saw a solar eclipse at the same time.  This shouldn't happen since Japan and New York are about 12 hours apart from each other.  Also, I'm pretty sure that the full solar eclipse is only visible in a localized area, so even people in New York and people in Los Angeles would not see it together.  Am I right about this?  Any astronomers out there?--Radaar 00:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noone ever implied it was happening at the same time and it was clearly stated it wasn't a total eclipse in NY/LV, wasn't it? -- 89.172.29.21 10:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiro looked up and saw it, IIRC, while on the roof doing calisthenics with his coworkers.64.247.206.184 18:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eclipse 

message: I feel that it would be more useful to link the descriptions in the Synopsis quote to the pages of the characters, not information about the words themselves. Ie, "high school cheerleader" would link to Claire's article, not High School and Cheerleader. I thought it best to ask first, though, just in case there's some particular reason to leave them as they are. --dws90 04:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently the character's name links to their article.  Their occupation/place in society links to what is that they do/are. --DJ Chair 14:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to the text under the "Synopsis" heading, not the table of characters itself. That's fine as it is. --dws90 22:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis Links 

message: Hi... know I'm not supposed to do this, but what's the hidden URl forComic 003
--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 00:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hidden URl for comic 003 

message: somebody at Heroes the series.com forums named fishypants claimed he is a special effects worker on the show.  He claimed that HRG is actually not a villian, but rather a protector of the heroes.  Don't know if it's true or not, so I'm not sure if it should be added.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 15:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't know if this should be added, but... 

message: We need a brief list or chart for the major supporting characters. Each of the 'heroes' seems to have one, well, sidekick, for lack of a better term. In each case, there is enough information to justify a single line chart entry. Prefacing the chart with a link to the main article is fine, but this page should be the main page for the subject, and not a long set of sub-page links. ThuranX 01:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, X. Is there enough info for such a wikitable? And, quite frankly, what's wrong with a few subpage links? Characters are usually spun off into their own article(s) with a brief summary of that article's content, anyway. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A few, nothing. but this entire page consists of one highly conflict oriented table and a stack of links. It should be about far more. ThuranX 02:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. I'll take another look at the page as a whole. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, X. I just couldn't think of a way to make it work. The whole issue is summarization. The main wikitable, for all the fighting, is the only thing that seems to work, excluding the occapution field. What you acting for is the very stuff we split off to avoid crowding. In Sylar's case, a summary on top of a summary. I've tried to wrap my mind around short descriptions, like the ones for characters currently without articles. I dunno. Maybe we should just put all the characters in one article and extend the main wikitable to all characters, possibly with the addition of a "relatives" field. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added the information to his entry on the minor characters page where I'm thinking he should stay for now until we have a bit more information. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  | Status: 14:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporting Characters 

message: When Hiro and Ando got thrown out of the casino, the sign clearly said "Monticeto".  I know that the interior was different, but the sign was there.  I put this in a trivia section, and someone took it off, claiming that it wasn't the Monticeto.--Radaar 05:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be ACE, he does that from time to time, he's a bit of a fanatic about certain things.  However, I just read up on Hiro's blog, and he does in fact mention that it is the Monticeto.  Someone should add it back to either his page, or the episode page with a reference back to his specific blog post. --DJ Chair 16:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: at least get the spelling right. Montecito. Rihk 02:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, ha. It was X, actually. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I hate how it is phrased right now. It makes it sound like they both take place in the same fictional universe, such as Las Vegas and Crossing Jordan or how all the Laws & Order are in the same universe. But Heroes does not take place in the same fictional universe and easy to tell such as the hotel looked nothing the same, plus it’s a show about super heroes. They just use the same fictional name so I will rewrite it. - DidYouLoseASock 03:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monticeto 

message: i haven't personally noticed this reaccurring symbol. can someone please get a few pictures of it on the article? thanks. dposse 13:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the  symbol 

message: It appears that heroeswiki.com has plaigrised episode synopsies from Wikipedia, specificly: Genesis has been lifted and put: here. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 11:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What can we do about it? dposse 15:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under the terms of the GFDL, they're supposed to acknowledge the source. Someone should send them a Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter if they haven't. This one in particular is useful for someone who has actually contributed to the article to complain. It may be worth sending. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All seems fine now, theyve acknowledged wikipedia as the source (-: thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There isn't copy right protection on wiki articles. All of the articles are part of public domain. --Pinkkeith 13:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there licensed under the GFDL for exampel the edit box:
Content that violates any copyright will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL.
You can read: Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License, and Wikipedia:Copyrights  as well . thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a copyright for the software, not the content of the articles. --Pinkkeith 14:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  .... No its not read this again: "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content: first line, "The text contained in Wikipedia is licensed to the public under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL)." --Pinkkeith 14:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. The text is licensed under the terms of the GFDL, which requires acknowledgment of sources for verbatim copying, under Section 2 of the license. It is not public domain in the legal sense of the word. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I understand now. --Pinkkeith 14:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: === Rising Stars ===
The premise of Heroes among us is not a new idea and has been explored in comic books such as Rising Stars and the wikipedia page for rising stars includes a reference to Heroes.  I'm not sure how or where best to add it but I encourage someone to add a mention in the main article.  Horkana 
:We had a section listing various stories similar in premise, but ulimately the list was too big and not focused enough on the TV series to be included in the article. I still think a separate article or category should be made, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stories with premises similiar to Heroes 

message: The premise of Heroes among us is not a new idea and has been explored in comic books such as Rising Stars and the wikipedia page for rising stars includes a reference to Heroes.  I'm not sure how or where best to add it but I encourage someone to add a mention in the main article.  Horkana 
:We had a section listing various stories similar in premise, but ulimately the list was too big and not focused enough on the TV series to be included in the article. I still think a separate article or category should be made, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rising Stars 

message: Not sure if it is a bug with my DVR or if it was done on purpose.  Was watching Heroes on 10/23 on the RCN DVR on NBC.  I tried to fast forward through the commercial and once it got to the commercial for Deja Vu the movie, it stopped and asked me if I wanted to stop the play back.  I hit no and it goes to the beginning of the Deja Vu commercial.  Anytime I try to fast forward after that it pops up the same message and when I say no, it goes back to the Deja Vu commercial.  Pretty freaky.  Anyone else see this?  Or is this just a bug on my DVR
Tazzy531 04:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll check it out when I get home in the morning that sounds like a pretty ingenious ad though if it's true. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  05:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I watched Heroes on DVR today without any problems. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't own a DVR, so I am a bit unsure how they work, but I wonder if this is somehow caused by the fact that the commercial repeats the first second or two twice.  Perhaps the DVR notices it's playing the same thing over again, and thinks something is amiss. Applejuicefool 14:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug? / Viral Ad? 

message: for those that didn't notice the photo of clair/hayden was removed for not being properly sourced. I have fixed this issue on her photo as well as on several of the other cast members. Also while doing this i noticed that most were improperly licensed as screenshots, I have fixed all of those to properly use the promophoto license.  this is just a friendly reminder to make sure you properly source all media and apply the proper licensing to it. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  08:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fixed the character promo photos 

message: With the knowledge of a full season ordered and great ratings, is it too early to set up a wikiproject? EnsRedShirt 22:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I would support it, it's most likely a bit early. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  23:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still season 1, to early tbh. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: waaay too early. ThuranX 23:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would we need one, anyway? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys say its way too early but I think it's never too early. There's like 3 or 4 that have been created already but many of them are very amateur. This one is the only one that has really managed to get a lot of good information together in addition to taking full advantage of the wiki format. I'm recently active there and I think the more it gets known, the better it will become. --Capn 07:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was referring to Wikipedia:WikiProject -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  07:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do I think we need a wikiproject?  look no farther than Hiro's  The page has undergone three page moves and my guess will soon be a fourth.  (((We can't seem to agree on a spelling, let alone if we will set a standard naming convention..) We also have people already discussing the possiblity of having an article just for Isacc's  Paintings.  We also have articles on all the characters, which in a series like this I can almost guarantee will grow through out the seasons, plus diffrent items, including the 9th Wonders Comic.  Why not start a wikiproject now and be ahead of the game, instead of playing catch up later???? In the long run we get better articles with less work involved.  EnsRedShirt 08:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because some editors are illiterate doesn't mean we should get a WP. it's Hiros, not HIro's. ThuranX 11:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that when a TV series has as many separate articles devoted to it as this one has, and there are so many changes being made to them daily, then its not too early to start a WikiProject, provided there are enough people interested in working together to bring some uniformity of terminology and presentation throughout these related articles, by coming to agreement on a single WikiProject:Heroes talk page.  The only problem I see is that, this early in the series, alot of decisions may need to be revisited as the show develops, but that is already happening within the individual articles. Primogen 17:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My point exactly.. EnsRedShirt 18:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free to start the process and see how much interest it generates.  I agree we need to set some standards I just think they could be done in here for now.  That said I would certainly support the effert and would be the first to sign up.  -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  19:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay I put it on List of proposed wikiprojects.  I also put a small summary on my user page.  Still being fairly new to wikipedia, and never doing anything like this before, if anyone wants to add or remove anything to the summary please feel free, just leave me a note on my talk page if you edit my user page.  EnsRedShirt 23:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't listed a temporary project page. Ah well. You linked to userpage. So, you're really serious about this? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why Wou;dn't I be serious about it?EnsRedShirt 15:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Heroes?? 

message: Is it just me or does no one see the similarities with Salman Rushdie's "Midnight's Children"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.210.94 (talk) 06:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midnight's Children