Talk:Battle of Bad Axe

message: I started articles about Red Mound, Wisconsin and Retreat, Wisconsin in Vernon County, Wisconsin in case you need them. Thank you- RFD 15:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, I will see where they fit in. This article, the main article and the Battle of Stillman's Run are the three our collaboration will attempt to get FA status for, on the way to a broader featured topic.IvoShandor 04:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Mound and Retreat, Wisconsin in Vernon County, Wisconsin 

message: *I am finally finishing a copyedit I started a while ago. Since Ivo is on a wikibreak, I will leave these comments here. 
#I think it would be useful to put a caption on the photo in the Infobox. 
#Prelude: Based on what Ivo told me (see here) I moved Neapope's speech earlier in the night and clarified the timing of the militia that night and the following week in the paragraphs following.
#Battle - I added a sentence that Blackhawk's  band was almost certainly not involved in the Indian Creek Massacre, which the troops on the steamboat Warrior referred to when first opening fire on them.
#Context - I put the statements by Street (day after the battle) and Grimsley (2005) in chronological order. Some of Grimsley's quotes about the blood making the  Mississippi red might be effective in the Battle section.
#Aftermath - I added Blackhawk's autobiography and death and made a few other copyedits
Will finish this  tomorrow, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I see this, ha. Hmm. I am thinking of adding the quote you recommend here and expanding a bit on the military movements of both sides in the battle section. Any thoughts on what else to do for an FA bid? IvoShandor (talk) 01:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: This can barely be known as such.  Such reckless killing should be called a massacre. This is why I believe that the article should be changed to "Massacre of Bad Axe." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilobite12 (talk • contribs) 00:07, March 5, 2008
*Thanks, while I agree it was a massacre, the name it is known by in reliable sources is Battle of Bad Axe. Do you have reliable sources that call it "Massacre of Bad Axe"? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 00:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *As the primary author of most Wikipedia's content related to the Black Hawk War, I too would support the name change. The wonton murder that occurred at the mouth of the Bad Axe River can be accurately described in no other way. While many sources refer to it as a battle, just as many, some dating back to shortly after the conflict, have called it a massacre (this is briefly discussed within the article). IvoShandor (talk) 06:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It's been a month with five straight voices in favour of the change, I went ahead and changed it. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  06:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if Bad Axe Massacre would be a bit better? IvoShandor (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it sounds better and nice to see you back. Thanks too to Sherurcij for making the move. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 00:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem, moved to the newer name. To be honest, I'd never heard of this until I came across the 1832 article sitting in my hands one day, and checked Wiki to find out what this "Bad Axe" was, and added the detail about the child. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  00:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Battle?"

message: As requested, here are some comments on looking at the article with an eye to FAC. This looks pretty good and these are all pretty nitpicky. I also ran the semi-automated peer review script on it and it is below:
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
*Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
**Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant -  “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “All pigs are pink, so we thought of a number of ways to turn them green.”
*Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Fixed this.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *I'll get someone to assist with a js tool.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Added to it, should be clearer now.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Not quite sure how to make this clearer, I mentioned it once more, take a look, lemme know if this is clear or not.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Tried to qualify them as "militia commanders", could be more specific with "militia generals" or some such thing.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Fixed this.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Tried to clarify this.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Fixed.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Linked.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: *Of course it helps! Thanks Ruhr.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

message: Was the Battle of Bad Axe a two-day "battle" or a one-day battle that was preceded by a skirmish the day before? This is more of a semantic issue than a substantive one, and affects only a few sentences and headings. The web article by James Lewis that is currently the predominant source for this article clearly describes it as a one-day battle. He writes: "Before dawn on August 2, the Battle of Bad Axe began." According to Lewis, the "Battle of Bad Axe" is what happened on August 2, and the encounter with the Warrior was a prelude to the "battle".
Not every source is so explicit, but a quick Google Books survey suggests to me that other writers usually (but not always) take the same approach. Concur? —Kevin Myers 01:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do whatever you think needs to be done to improve the article. I will not take issue with it myself but we may want to see what others think.IvoShandor (talk) 05:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the map, and have looked at one of the recent books briefly. Other than that what I know of the Black Hawk War comes from reading the articles here. I trust you and the sources you cite. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 17:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A two-day battle? 

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message: I think renaming this the "Bad Axe Massacre" article is in better taste than keeping it as a "battle," since a "battle" implies two sides of equal power, whereas this was a one sided turkey shoot on civilians. Thoughts? Ms.23 (talk) 19:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Oxyaena by all means please do 2620:0:E50:3401:F04D:8E86:9F45:6EEB (talk) 16:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming