Talk:Don Siegelman

message: In his book "The Governor of Goat Hill" (), Eddie Curran, the investigative reporter who exposed the scandals underlying Siegelman's conviction, discusses their history in detail and also offers a convincing case for the spuriousness of the Karl Rove political motivation claim.  Curran's work should be discussed in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.102.229 (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs references to a highly relevant book

message: The claims that this was a particularly harsh sentence from the guilty man's defense team are repeated as fact. 
There are several other Gov's who have been convicted of similar crimes, felonies and bribes in the $500,000 to $1,000,000 range. 
Gov. Ryan of Illinois got 6.5 years. 
Two other Gov's of Illinois who were convicted of felonies
got 3 and 7 years.  (one for acts after leaving office)
Jim Guy Tucker got 4 years probation, but he agreed to work with
prosecutors and had a very serious medical condition eventually 
requiring a liver transplant. 
I think this is another case of this article being advocacy for
the Gov's case.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.23.32 (talk) 21:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV and the 'harsh sentence' claim

message: Why doesn't the president just pardon him if this is such an open and shut case of innocence?  Of why didn't the judge just let him go?  or heck, the jury, all 12 of them had to agree, so why did not they all agree to free him?  Any number of people have the power, but everyone responsible here here, from both parties, has exercised their discretion to send Siegelman to prison.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.139.67.70 (talk) 16:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidential Pardon?

message: I want to raise an issue with the section on Leura Garrett Canary. She may have had to recuse herself from the case due to the conflict of interest, but you make it seem as if she was part of a grand conspiracy, which poses a problem with the NPOV rule as I read it. First off, I don't think she received "widespread criticism" about her conflict of interest, and calling the Business Council of Alabama a Riley ally seems problematic as well. It might be best to say that BCA endorsed him. And finally, the sentence "The case went to trial in early May 2006 with Canary's subordinates prosecuting it." is unnecessary other than to make it seem like Canary had it out for Siegelman. I don't know if you are an avid fan of Siegelman, but toning that paragraph down would make the article more balanced and not pose a NPOV problem.--Bamanative 18:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and the Canary issue 

message: Re: 2005 Indictments, 2006 Convictions section. . .The Associated Press  reports "Jill Simpson, once a campaign worker for Republican Bob Riley, said in a sworn statement last month that Rove may have played a role in the investigation."
citation (copy and paste if needed)

R. Baley 10:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl Rove involvement . . . 

message: on Siegelman that can be found here .  Someone should probably incorporate some of this information into the article. Remember 14:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time has a new article 

message: How did Siegelman, who was a long-term karate student and presumably thus in good health, manage to avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam?  The Vietnam War was the biggest war of this person's lifetime, and almost 3 million boys his age were sent to fight it.  Avoiding the draft was an obsession with people of that generation.  In any event, this issue must be addressed, in a person his age, in order to have a real biographical sketch.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.148.23 (talk) 03:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The same way that everyone born on February 24 between 1944 and 1950 did--their number (235) was never called. There's no issue here to address, period. Samer (talk) 20:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: An Unresolved Point re Personal Life

message: * "Star witness" Nick Bailey as cornerstone of case, but he was subsequently convicted of extortion and given 10 years, cooperated with prosecutors to lighten own sentence, over 70 interviews with prosecution but notes not shared with defense, check he testified he saw was actually written days later.
* 52 state Attorneys General calling the case into question, specific testimony from Grant Woods, R-AZ (1991-1999)
* Jill Simpson makes pretty unequivocal testimony
Transcript and video here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml
-Pete (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things from 60 Minutes that should get in the article: 

message: WP is not a site for promoting one's own work, and, as a result, the original formatting and wording is not anything approaching encyclopedic in tone. Moreover, regardless of the validity of the claims, much of what is written here is irrelevant to the topic at hand--namely, Don Siegelman himself. That said, if you wish to include relevant portions of this information, you may do so. Samer (talk) 15:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate text 

message: Karl Rove has released a point-by-point rebuttal of the charges that he was involved in the situation, or that Dana Jill Simpson was working for him. It's directed at Dan Abrams of MSNBC, but the rebuttal is significant here. 
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmY4YTBmMDg3NDljYWY0NTViNmMxNzgwOGUzZTk1NGI= — DesScorp (talk) 20:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's really remarkable about that letter is how it asserts practically nothing. Everything is phrased in the form of a question, and there is no unambiguous denial of being involved. Same as his interview with Stefanopolous, where he says "I first learned of the indictment in the newspaper," which is technically true even if he did plan it. The whole letter is the same, one big non-denial denial. Dsol (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rove's Response

message: The latter part of the article is written largely in the order in which facts became known. The trial is suddenly mentioned under "2006 gubernatorial election" without any prior explanation (what trial?). 
The article would be easier to read if it were written in chronological order. Also, the "Federal prosecution" section claims that the investigation started already in 1999, something which is not supported by the reference. The year 1999 seems extremely early given that he took office in January 1999, and appears to contradict the idea that Rove planned all this in 2002 (which may not be true, of course, but the article needs to be clarified here). --KarlFrei (talk) 13:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problems with this article 

message: I'm just placing these links to new documents from Time Magazine reporting further evidence supporting the allegations against a politicized US Attorney General. They need to be worked into the article, which I will try to do later, but I welcome all comers to integrate it in before I get the chance.
*Time article detailing the new facts
*John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,  letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey citing the new material.
*Internal prosecution emails
Have a blast! Hiberniantears (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Documents 

message: I edited the page to (correctly) point out this is a conspiracy theory, the kind that Wikipedia tends to (unfortunately) promote.--76.101.170.98 (talk) 14:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this modification since a conspiracy theory would still feature an imprisoned Siegelman. Hiberniantears (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy Theory 

message: This article still devotes far too much attention to partisanship. I suspect that few readers who are not partisans either for or against Siegelman manage to read very much of it. It's freakin' boring and feels dishonest, and occasionally absurd. 
Take this sentence, for instance: Many analysts believe that the key to the lottery[ referendum]'s defeat was the difference in turnout between supporters and opponents. Uh-huh. Can you give me an example of a fair ballot that was not decided by a difference in turnout? The sentence tells us nothing. I have deleted it. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 17:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stating the obvious 

message: The only Rhodes Scholar selected from Alabama in 1972 was Harold Watkins Stanley. Siegelman is not listed as a Rhodes Scholar (for this or any other year) in the Summer 2003 issue of The American Oxonian, giving an "Address List Living Rhodes Scholars 1920-2003." This probably explains why his college is given as TBD in Wikipedia's list of Rhodes Scholars. Was this a claim he made, or merely an unsubstantiated - and incorrect - rumor? 173.72.214.213 (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siegelman's "Rhodes Scholarship" 

message: Article does not seem to say what happened after 2009 as regards Siegelman's sentence - left hanging in the introductory paragraphs. 
210.11.145.8 (talk) 02:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They did let him out of his cage during some appeals, but not until after he dropped the soap a few times.  You would never guess what Don Siegleman's knick name in prison was?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.23 (talk) 19:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Siegelman 

message: Were either of Siegelman's parents Jewish?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.48.142 (talk) 07:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were either of Siegelman's parents Jewish? 

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