Talk:Samuel Taylor Coleridge

message: Nothing in the article about Coleridge's shift to Toryism by 1809? He was the premier conservative philosopher in Britain during the nineteenth century, even J.S. Mill famously acknowledged him as such. It's not a negligible aspect of his legacy.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.201.185 (talk) 11:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: Hello all; I just wanted to add a few ideas to help clean up the article and see what others think.  
*The "Early Life" section needs to contain less direct quotations and more biographical information from reliable sources.
*Most of the content in "Pantisocracy and marriage" can be kept if citations can be found to support, but facts that are not verifiable need to be removed, and the strange text box in the center needs to be placed into context or removed.
*"Later life, and increasing drug use" can be shortened and referenced. I think that the drug use issue is probably less important than the poetry that made him famous, so I would put that below his poetry section and keep the size of text dealing with that issue in proportion to the influence it had on his life and poetry.
*The "Poetry" section can be expanded and broken into subgroups, with direct references to poems and deeper discussion of his importance. I propose individual sections for The Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Kubla Kahn.
*The "Influence of Gothic" section can be wikified to remove large text quotations without relevent topic discussion and should contain info from a wider variety of sources. I think it could probably be changed to reflect more than just his influence on gothic; perhap changed to "Influence on Literatre" with a subsection on Gothic. 
*The "External Links" can probably use some trimming Mrathel (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please let me know if you have any questions. I plan to gather sources and begin working on this by the end of the day.Mrathel (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the quotations are overwhelming; I'd suggest we cut them all down. What about the forked article Coleridge and opium? Could that be reincorporated here (once it's sourced properly, of course)? I agree with your thoughts on the "Influence of Gothic" section needing to be broader. --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I can clean up the early life section (first, and I can work on other things later). I will come up with something and post it on the talk page for discussion. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I've taken a look at the poetry section. The problem I see on a first reading is that it is devoid of critical references, even though it sounds authoritative. I like Mrathel's suggestion of breaking out Rime & Kubla as subsections. I'm willing to take a look at the paragraph on "conversation poems" and see what can be developed from it; it's a pretty strong claim that these were his greatest influence. Perhaps this could become a subsection also. Easchiff (talk) 19:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His criticism also needs a section. Biographia Literaria is a major reason why he is such a high priority in the Wiki project. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My best efforts, I think, would be in adding citations to the biographical details. I'll focus on that. --Midnightdreary (talk) 19:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I am having a hard time gettings started on the "Poetry" section as trying to incorporate the current analysis into meaningful text proves difficult. I may end up scrapping the majority of the text and starting anew, as trying to categorize the current presentation of his poetry  is causing my head to spin. I am trying to decide if I should arrange the poetry on a chronological basis or if I should just go by importance. Mrathel (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also thinking that we'll end up scrapping most of the present section. It's too bad, because I think the editors knew what they were talking about. To avoid piecemeal revision, should we create a sandbox somewhere and build this section there? I've found a lot of Coleridge scholarship already just on the "conversation poems". If I'm going to work on that, it'll take me a while; I'm starting with no specific knowledge. Easchiff (talk) 20:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, if you pick the sandbox, I'll play in it. My internet at home has been on the fritz, so I have not gotten any work done. Also, I have found a few sources talking about Coleridge as a crtitic: Eliot in Selected Prose and Hugh Kenner in Historical Fictions. I think it would be advantageous for us to start a criticism section as well and let people unload their sources into it along with info on the poems. Mrathel (talk) 14:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's give it a try. You can find my working notes for the "Conversation Poems" at User:Easchiff/Sandbox2; feel free to add your own material, and to modify mine, as it seems convenient. At least we can share references this way! I'm sure you're correct about the need for a Criticism section, but we don't have to do it all immediately. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I have moved it. Thanks for flagging it up. Span (talk) 03:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  article cleanup 

message: Here is part of what I have for the early life. It is about 60% finished. I should have the rest completed later. This is just to give everyone a sense. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The below section is about 80% complete. Any suggestions or comments? Ottava Rima (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just put it in; we can work on the bio stuff on the main space. I think the Criticism/Poetic style stuff will be harder to work on, so that makes more sense to do on a work space. Oh, and I dislike quote boxes. :) --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want, we can remove the quotes completely or just make a page devoted to his early life and keep them there. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer removal. I'm also worried about unnecessarily adding length to this article. Between all of us, I think we'll be able to make this pretty substantial without such long quotes. Do you use them for aesthetic purposes? --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is only 30k with formatting. That places it at about 70% below normal size for these articles. Anything shorter than 80k will have cries of incomplete. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We're already incomplete - that's why we're working on it now. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to make an early life page like the other major poets. I'll put in a four paragraph summary of it for the main article when I am finished. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: (undenting) I strongly disagree with a forked article on early life; I think it just makes them clunky. No one's early life is so important so as to need such detail. I'm not sure which "other major poets" utilize this, but none of my featured or good articles do (many of which are poetry-related). --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um. Samuel Johnson's early life is featured. Also, William Wordsworth, Byron, Milton, and others have pages devoted to their early lives. There are also many non-poets (such as Darwin) that have pages devoted to their early lives. This is standard for major authors. However, I'm beginning to think that I will be unable to work with you on this, as I have no faith in your knowledge of such complex articles. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I'm sure my list of Wikipedia accomplishments (nevermind professional ones) are irrelevant so I won't bring them up. I also shouldn't mention that all the examples you gave of what is becoming "standard for major authors" were, in fact, articles created by you personally (does that show consensus, or an inability to follow summary style?). Regardless, I'm no longer interested in assisting in the development of this article. Good luck. --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

text: User:Ottava Rima/Samuel Coleridge's early life - If you have any doubts, verify there. He was the youngest child of the second wife. It is incomplete, but it goes into further detail on many of the problematic sections. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life 

message: This is what I have so far for an early life page. It is roughly 80% done (text wise, sans images, of which there are 6/7 to add). As you can see, it focuses on important career development and nothing fluffy. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life 

message: I think this section needs to be broken down into at least two sections. Drug use can probably exist on its own, or it can be mixed into the biography less abruptly with  "Later life" and "Opium Addiction and Death" sections or something of the sort. Also I don't think that the website cited for the discussion of Faustus is really the best source we can find on the subject. I appologize for my lack of support in this, but real life tends to strike when you least expect it:) Mrathel (talk) 13:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the insufficiency of the Faust translation reference; that webpage does list lots of primary references, however. It's a small job; perhaps I can get to it in the next few days. Your  suggestions for the biographical sections seem on target to me. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 00:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later life, and increasing drug use 

message: There should be mention of the extent to which Coleridge copied ideas and writing(s) from German-language sources (passing them off as his own).Historian932 (talk) 18:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of plagiarism from German-language sources 

message: His daughter Sara Coleridge, sons Hartley Coleridge and Derwent Coleridge, grandson Ernest Hartley Coleridge, and granddaughter Christabel Coleridge all have their own wikipedia entries which link back here, but the only mention of any of his family in this entry appears to be the linked portrait of his daughter Sara. The omission of his children and grandchildren from a general biographical article seems odd, especially as some of them edited various editions of his works, and are considered notable enough to have entries in their own right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filigree11 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does need more detail on the family. Please do add. Spangle  (talk) 15:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Samuel Taylor Coleridge at age 42.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on October 21, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-10-21. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng  {chat} 21:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Samuel Taylor Coleridge at age 42.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: A merge with Coleridge and opium was suggested in 2008 and it seems, never followed up. I suggest this article should also be merged with Early life of Samuel Taylor Coleridge - wholly or at least partially. There is much repetition in the three. This main Coleridge article is patchy and has almost no citation. I think, putting the three together would raise it considerably. I'm not sure if Ottava Rima had been planning to go for an FA and put it on hold, but it seems we should use what we presently have and back it up with good sources where we need them. There's a lot of good work here. Thoughts? Span (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge  

message: I have added a paragraph, entirely cited to An Illustrated Literary Guide to Shropshire (1987) by Gordon Dickins, detailing a period of a few months (dates December 1797-February 1798), when he also worked as locum to the Unitarian minister in Shrewsbury, reputedly read The Rime of the Ancient Mariner at a literary evening, preached a probationary sermon, met William Hazlitt, and received means to give up a ministry career.Cloptonson (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Period in Shrewsbury

message: The file :File:Samuel Taylor Coleridge portrait.jpg doesn't look like Coleridge to me; hair too short and doesn't correspond with other contemporary portraits from 1790s. Possibly Charles Lloyd? --Jotoro (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait of Coleridge 

message: Just before the sub-heading "West Midlands and the North", there is a sentence which reads: "And he was a male poet". This seems like a superfluous sentence, as that he was a male poet is obvious from the rest of the article. Vorbee (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: And he was a male poet

message: With the original publication dates. Surely this is essential information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.143.243 (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no list of his published works? 

message: "He grew to detest his wife, whom he married mainly because of social constraints." What? I've heard of marriages being forbidden because of social constraints, but what could it possibly mean to claim that they were forced to marry because of social constraints?77Mike77 (talk) 02:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Social constraints"?