Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/Archive 5

message: After the credits, it freezes on that image of the Triforce, with the words "The End," and then it goes to the "Press Start" screen. Is that the end, or do I continue to play the game as in Wind Waker? Or maybe I fight Gannondof again as if it had never happened? Can anyone fill me in?
The Swagga 03:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It reverts back to before you beat the final boss. It prompts you to save after the 8th dungeon, so if you didn't save at all in the final dungeon you will have to do it again to beat the game again. But if you save in the 9th dungeon, it will save that progress. You just can't save progress against the final boss. Scepia 04:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly. HeroOfVirtue 20:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: To bad it couldn't be like in the Oracle games.--Animasage 18:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Ending? (No Real Spoilers) 

message: Twilight princess is on a time line that doesn't includes the most of the events only the beginning of [9] Ocarina of Time,or Majora's mask....link grows up to live a normal life when he went back in time to the present Ocarina of time and he did it once again on Majora's mask meaning the events never happen...the sagas are the only ones that knew of the legendary hero location and the hidden the power of the triforce of courage with him even Link doesn't know of his adventures notice the skull kid and the postman are also on this game and Link have no memory of them because on this time line he never met them
This is the opening paragraph for the plot synopsis. I have only a loose idea of what this person was trying to say, so would somebody with a better idea please fix this? - Mellesime 20:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, it needs to be removed. It's speculation, and entirely wrong, since this game's Link isn't the Link from Ocarina at all. --Guess Who 01:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: How come Zelda doesn't have a beast form when she's in the twilight? when you first meet her you're in the twilight realm and she's in human form. I thought that everyone who steps into the twilight has to have a beast form? Don't say it's because she has the triforce because link has the fricking triforce too? Any ideas? 88.105.105.56 23:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually almost everyone who entered the twilight became spirits (ghosts). Link was the only one that became a beast. The game never specificed why Zelda was not tranformed into anything but it could have been the triforce but we do not know for sure. --70.48.108.100 03:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Just because we know that one of the tree Triforces turns the owner into a wolf as a preotection doesn't mean all three do. Just because all three are golden triangles doesn't mean they all respond the same way. E946 01:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: From what I can tell(spoiler to some)Zelda transfered her triforce to Midna. This got rid of her form and she became a spirit.--Animasage 18:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question (small spoiler?) 

message: It just seems silly to me to believe that Ganondorf actually survived. I don't see what reason there is to believe this. What evidence is there that he might have lived? And why would it be more reasonable to assume that he "may be alive" than assume that he has simply died?
Zelda characters are usually reincarnated anyway, so even if someone dies, they will most likely return anyway. Death doesn't seem to be permanent in this series. EvaXephon 11:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a new Link and a new Zelda every time, yet it is genreally accepted that there is only one Ganondorf. The games' also pretty much say that, and Ganondorf has memory of all the old events in every game. JackSparrow Ninja 12:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the games actually support that. It's mostly widespread conjecture. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 16:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That statement has not been confirmed. It was stated before, but in any of the recent interviews with Aonuma and Miyamoto, that it NOT stated. There is an idea that there are 2 timelines, but that is total speculation. Scepia 04:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If you assume that the two-timeline thing is true (which accoring to nintendo it is) then this game would more accurately follow the child link/Majora's Mask timeline, so it is actually unknown whether or not Wind Waker follows this game or not. E946 06:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hang on a sec, when did Nintendo confirim a two timeline theory? I've never heard anything other than we'll let you in the future. BigHairRef | Talk 15:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Saria? I always thought it was Navi. Both lived in the Kokiri Forest, so Link could have been searching for either of them, I suppose...EvaXephon 00:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A theory that Nintendo has never supported. TJ Spyke 23:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone should ask Miyamoto. He gave the timeline (which he, as creater of the franchise, considered official) back before OOT released. Sine then, however, we've only gotten small tidbits (like TWW being hundreds of years after OOT and TP being after OOT but before TWW). TJ Spyke 03:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What reason is there to believe that *spoiler* 

message: The plot summary is excessive, and I'd like to trim it quite a bit. I thought I would mention it here first because it's a bit of a job. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 16:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lengthy plot summary 

message: I feel that in order to trim the size of the article to Wikipedia's standards, we should add a link to the Legend of Zelda Races page instead of listing them on this page. Although that page does need some serious clean up, which I may attempt soon. DurinsBane87 00:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Races 

message: I was watching the 2004 E3 Trailer and the were places and cutscenes that were not even in the game. The same thing was also on the 2005 E3 trailer. Did they do this because there wasn't enough space on the discs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.222.65.228 (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A year, and especially two, is a long time in game development, and you can't expect locations seen in trailers to perfectly match the final game. Locations probably weren't removed because of space, but because they didn't fit in the story as it evolved. --Herald Alberich 01:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twilight Princess E3 Trailers 

message: There is one unsourced statement in the article. Please provide a citation, or remove the statement altogether. (Ibaranoff24 02:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination on hold

message: I don't recollect Ganon ever being referred to as a Gerudo in Twilight Princess...am I wrong? And also, about the Gerudo section, should we make mention of the fact that Gerudos are a race made up entirely of women with the exception of the one Gerudo Prince that is said to appear every generation?  I mean, this could largely attribute for the Gerudo's lacking existence in Twilight Princess, I mean, after all, without the Gerudo Prince, a society of only women can survive only so long... ;) AnujSuper9 07:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, that seems like something that should stay in the Gerudo section of the Zelda races page. TJ Spyke 07:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I suppose that's fair, but I still don't really like the organization of that section... :-/ AnujSuper9 23:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's obvious that the Ganondorf in TP and the Ganondorf from Ocarina of Time are the same person. The only major difference is that he's a bit bulkier in Twilight Princess.  --Guess Who 08:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganon Gerudo? 

message: I'm all for it, It'll make this article much more presentable and less sprawling DurinsBane87 08:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Race Section Merge 

message: Can someone fix the rankings for the GCN version? Game Rankings only require 10 reviews to be ranked, some people THINK they require 20 because that is the default search amount (you can have anwhere from 0 to 50). TJ Spyke 21:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: All right, who the **** keeps removing the spoiler tag at the top of the plot section? Yes, we know "Plot" implies spoilerz, but plenty of other media-related articles have them, and it wouldn't hurt. It's one freaking line. What's the problem? Wikipedian06 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they haven't played it yet, then they shouldn't be reading a section with hige bolded title reasing "Plot". E946 09:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not an excuse. Can't hurt to add the single line of text.Wikipedian06 09:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedian06 has a valid point; spoilers are time sensitive information (i.e. EVERYONE knows that Vader is Luke's father), and claiming that "Wikipedia may contain spoilers" does not exempt the use of spoiler tags as a whole.  Otherwise, the spoiler tags would certainly have been TFD'd by now.  --Stratadrake 14:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS:  Oh that's right, Template:Spoiler was TFD-listed, but the consensus was keep.  --Stratadrake 14:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Spoiler tags should not be there since a plot section will contain spoilers (since it is about the plot, duh), and it's been at WP:CVG not to use them. I can't do it at the moment, so can someone please remove the warning? TJ Spyke 03:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to the page containing the policy, please. I don't see it. Wikipedian06
This says clearly that the tags are to be used on a case by case basis. Here I think they should be in. BigHairRef | Talk 18:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: I've reinstated the trivia section.  Suggest we sift through it, work out what's accurate, and attempt to incorporate the details into the relevant section of the article. --Oscarthecat 11:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned up the section, taking out some things too minor and some inaccuracies. Now just to incorporate it. JackSparrow Ninja 06:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I just realized why random IPs keep changing the number of Howling Stones from six to seven. There is a stone in the "Lost Woods" with a Triforce symbol that does indeed play Zelda's Lullabye; you find it on the way to the Master Sword, and howl the lullabye to make the Skull Kid appear. It's not an actual Howling Stone because it's not related to the Hidden Skills, but it is similar. --Herald Alberich 23:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a bunch for clearing that up! JackSparrow Ninja 00:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's Lullaby. Wikipedian06 02:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was wondering about that. Neither of the spellings looked right to me. --Herald Alberich 05:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The seventh Howling Stone 

message: Here is what is currently written about them in the ariticle:
*Hylian
:The Hylians are a human race that reside in Hyrule. Most characters in the game are Hylian. The Hylians are distinguished from Ordonians by having long, swept back, pointed ears. Notable Hylians in the game include Link, Princess Zelda and all members of The "Group" except Ashei and Rusl.
*Ordonians
:As the name suggests, Ordonians are humans from the Ordon Province. They are distinguishable by having "normal" rounded ears and sharing their appearance with real life humans. In Twilight Princess notable Ordonians include Ilia, Colin, and Malo, Talo and Beth.
The problem? Those paragraphs pretty much contradict themselves, because Link has "long, swept back, poined ears", but is referred to as an Ordonian in the game...SilentWind 04:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It mistakes location for race. The Hylians live in Hyrule, but one Hylian lives in Ordon, which is otherwise human. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 04:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hylians/Ordonians 

message: Does anyone know if this game is going to turn into a comic like the others? --TheGreenLink 19:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, TheGreenLink, but I highly doubt that Zelda is going to receive a manga. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onigiriman (talk • contribs) 01:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it will be made into a manga since it is such a hit. Although, like the others, I doubt it'll be dubbed into English. Meaning we have to wait forever for a fansite like zelda-infinite to do it.--Animasage 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga? 

message: *#Weapons, items and abilities
*#Characters and bosses
*#Locations and dungeons
Instead of having three seconds which do nothing but link to their respective articles, why not just put all three them in a See Also section? E946 10:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, links to a split article (i.e.  template) do not by themselves count as encyclopedaic content; a short blurb on each, along with the relevant links, is a more preferable option, as it does not take away from the article, while still providing links with more information.  --Stratadrake 13:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections with nothing but a link 

message: I saw a couple videos on youtube ( one of which is linked as http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkB53h2M5Pw&mode=related&search=) and it showed one of the worst gaming glitches possible. This supposedly appears on the wii version only, but in case you don't wanna watch the vid, I'll explain it. If you save in the room with the cannon supposed to launch you into the city in the sky and turn the game off before you tell shad to leave, (or maybe telling him to leave doesn't matter) when you restart the game, you will be locked in that room with absolutely no way out, and unless you had a separate save file, you have to start the game over as there's absolutely no way out at all. I feel that the news of this glitch should be spread EVERYWHERE, so I'd like to know if there's a place here to post about it. Maybe under "Twilight Princess on wii"?—Preceding unsigned comment added by PokeFan2006 (talk • contribs) 
:We had a section with that info, but a consensus decided it wasn't important in an encyclopedia article about the game, and it was removed. --Herald Alberich 05:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any place here to post about this MAJOR glitch? 

message: Why does it say "brian hobbs beat this" at the beginning of the Gameplay section? I can't edit it out, as it isn't showing up... 207.32.33.18 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't showing up because someone already got rid of it. Thanks for your concern. --Herald Alberich 01:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you see something like that, it's usually vandalism (I took it out). You might have started editing right after I took it out (hence why you didn't see it). TJ Spyke 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gameplay? 

message: People, PLEASE stop adding that site as a source for the sales section. It references Wikipedia as its source. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it looks like JackSparrow Ninja wants to spam LotL so much that he would even ignore the fact that the list on LotL he's using is taken from Wikipedia (and even try to argue that it isn't). - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LandoftheLegend 

message: User:Sup blad just posted "Then you see Link at his home with Ilia and the children all smiling (if you collected all the poe souls, all the golden bugs and all the pieces of heart." at the end of the plot section. I took it out for now as unlikely; can anyone confirm this? --Herald Alberich 21:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claim 

message: why have the easter eggs section when there is a trivia section? it seems odd to me DBZROCKS 23:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trivia was turned into Easter eggs, and then somebody else created the trvia section again. TJ Spyke 23:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has Trivia been removed?--Animasage 20:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Eggs? 

message: Who's the idiot who keeps changing the rank on game rankings to 18th because it is actually the 15th? Stop it, it annoying.RammaYB 20:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't call people idiots. Please behave like an adult. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't call other Wikipedians children. Behave like a civil Wikipedian. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it is 18th, not 15th. Game Rankings only requires 10 reviews to be ranked, not 20. The problem is that their default search amount (since they let you choose how many reviews you want required, so you can choose games with only 50 or more reviews) is 20. If you change that to 10, you will see 3 games ranked higher than Zelda. TJ Spyke 22:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can choose to even have 1 review though, so unless there is a wikipedia guideline in the Video game Wikiproject for this we probably should go with the default. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the infobox for the game the site even labels it as the 15th best. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: On the very front page (which they have a "featured" game), Game Rankings says "A title needs at least 10 reviews in the database before it is placed into the overall rankings". I don't know why the default search amount is 20, but they only need 10 reviews (which would put 3 games ahead of the Wii version). Please stop changing it back since you now know you are wrong. TJ Spyke 01:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Truee but not only is the default 20 but the site uses the 20 review as the official one As can be seen here, Also when a game does not have at least 20 reviews the infobox does not contain a score As seen here. I'm not sure what you found particulary objectionable to my edit as I refered to both rankings. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the minimum used to be 20, they probably were just too lazy to fix it. Nevertheless, they only require 10 reviews to be ranked. So the Wii version is 18th ad the GameCube is 4th, no need to use any other ranks (unless you want to say what they would be with 1 review, or 50). TJ Spyke 02:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: While it says it requires 10 reviews to be entered into the database no where does it say that 10 reviews are the standard for ranking. On the contrary both the links I provided and the default search show that GameRankings considers 20 reviews to be the dividing point. While you may disagree with their logic its hard to ignore that fact. Jedi6-(need help?) 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Like I said, they probably just never bothered to fix it when they decided to make the minimum number of reviews to be 10. Take a look at Halo: Combat Evolved for how there can be errors, the default search method ranking and the ranking you see by clicking on it are different. I know you may disagree, but their front page clear as day that 10 is the minimum. TJ Spyke 02:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Gamerankings official Top 20 (which can't be changed by the user) lists Twilight Princess as number 15.  Jedi6-(need help?) 03:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's no the Official rankings, that is under the "Best/Popular" section. Under the Rankings section, it's 18th. It's a little odd that GR contradicts itself. TJ Spyke 03:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: All time top 20 = Official Rankings. I've provided 3 different sources showing that the 20 review limit is the official one so far. I believe its far more likely that the blurb about 10 reviews to get into the database is refering to something else or might be a typo in itself. If you look here  Metroid Prime is listed as the #1 GameCube and Resident Evil 4 as #2, skipping over the higher scored Twilight Princess. Jedi6-(need help?) 05:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You have not provided 3, you have shown 1. Those listings on the individual pages are most likely automated based on whatever they set as the minimum. I do remember it used to be 20, so they likely have never gotten around to changing the programming. I find it more likly they would rather leave that alone since they think people will see they only require 10 reviews since that is what they say on the front page (wheras nowhere on the site does it say 20 is the minimum). TJ Spyke 05:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right there they say a game needs 20 reviews to get in the data base. So there is a contridiction here so we can't rely on what they say. Instead we have to rely on what actually happens which is that its based on 20 reviews. Jedi6-(need help?) 06:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Why not just get rid of the ranking altogether? I don't see any other Wikipedia articles doing it, the review average is enoough, and we won't have to keep changing it if games get a higher score. Is that a good compromise? Just list the average score. TJ Spyke 06:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I can say something, I think that's a good idea. Something like that could be used for Ocarina of Time perhaps, since it's number one, but for Twilight Princess, it's not valid anymore. It's initially been posted anyway, only to (try and) indicate it might become number one. We're past that point now. JackSparrow Ninja 07:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  score

message: The backround music from Snowpeak mountain sounds remarkably similar to the song Cluster One by Pink Floyd, and i believe it should be noted in the Trivia section, however, i think it should be discussed before i make a change(again...). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goku9821 (talk • contribs) 
:Unless you have something official, it would just be original research. TJ Spyke 02:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  ... no. It's just one of the numerous remixes of the Hyrule Field main theme. Wikipedian06 03:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia - Snowpeak mountain music

message: According to nintendo, dungeons are "the meat and potatoes" of this series. The gameplay section should mention that there are nine dungeons and describe the general types of puzzles and puzzle elements, e.g. block-pushing (Sokoban-style), fans (in CitS), magnetic ceilings, et cetera. Wikipedian06 04:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk about dungeons under "Gameplay" section 

message: According to the article, "The [official] soundtrack also features two bonus tracks. The first bonus track, known as "DS Trailer Pack", was the theme that was to be used instead of the present Hyrule Field Main Theme."
First I'm assuming this "DS Trailer Pack" song is the background music from the menu. If that is the case, how does anybody actually know the track was intended to be the bacgkround music of Hyrule Field? I saw lots of speculation about this when the track was made into an online version for the first time before the relase of the game, but that's all it amounted to.I don't believe there has been any confirmation. Nicklegends 01:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Trailer Music 

message: You guys are always talking about time line this and time line that, on all the zelda games... I'm not sure if nintendo actually says there is a timline or not, but did you ever think that mabe their is no time line, and nintendo is just making great games. --TheGreenLink 23:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a timeline. This was stated my Miyamoto around the time of OOT's release:
"Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past. It's not very clear where Link's Awakening fits in--it could be anytime after Ocarina of Time."
Since then, they have said other things (like TWW being hundreds of years after OOT, and TP being after OOT but before TWW). TJ Spyke 23:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you bother to read the comment right below? This is what Miyamoto said (not me), and he said it around the same time that OOT was first released (so MM hadn't even been announced yet). TJ Spyke 21:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to mention the fact that I said Miyamoto gave that quote around the release of OOT, so MM hadn't even been announced yet. TJ Spyke 21:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Lines (over all...) 

message: The review box has got too long again. It really could do with a trim down, what do you guys think? Personally, I don't give a shit about what X-Play, Wired News or GameTrailers has to say, these aren't exactly Titans of games publishing are they?  Also, 1UP reviews are sometimes reprints of EGM reviews, can someone check if that's the case here?  If so, then that's another redundant publication. - hahnchen 13:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review box 

message: I wonder if there should be a trvia section for the page. There are some interesting point that can be found about the game e.g. Howling Stones play Zelda Melodies as well as Horse Grass playing Epona's Song (I recognised Zelda's Lullaby, Reqiem of Spirit, Song of Healing and the Majora's Mask version of Ballad of the Wind Fish)
Sam 17:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently there used to be but it was removed.--Animasage 20:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: A lot of new info and facts about the development of Twilight Princes have now been made public through Eiji Aonuma's Keynote.  I got every single detail on this checklist of his info here.   I'm busy working on my site updates, but if anyone wants to pick that apart and use it to update this page...good stuff.--TSA 04:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eiji Aonuma's 2007 GDC Session Information 

message: Out of curiosity, the article says that Link is riding away from Ordon at the end of the game, but I thought I saw him riding into Ordon.  Which one is it, 'cause I can't think of a reason for him "riding into the sunset". Bucky 09:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? It's a typical cliched ending (the hero riding off into the sunset), and The Wind Waker ended with Link/Tetra/the pirates sailing off for new adventures. It's been awhile since I watched the credits though. Maybe i'll beat Ganon again and watch them to check. TJ Spyke 09:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you?  Thanks.  I guess it could go either way, though.  Ilia was watching him dramatically "ride off into the sunset", even though he...lives...in...Ordon...It's wierd.  But my first thought was she had been checking the pass every day to see if he was coming, and then he finally returned home at the end.  Possible thoughts in Ilia's head (Original Research, so don't put this next bit in): "He's several days late!  He is so gonna get it!  I'll bet he's galavanting around with that princess chick and that midget! There's no telling what they're doing!  OOOOOOOH, HE'S GONNA GET IT!" Bucky 20:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Twiligt Princess didn't strike me as a chiched story.  WindWaker was another post-apocalyptic variation on Noah's Flood, but Twighlight Princess seemed original to me.  Whyhave a chiche ending to a non-cliche story?  Is the word "cliche" starting to lose its meaning through overuse here? Bucky 20:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I wrote it.  He's riding away - if you watch the ending and watch the geography, you will see it is the very North Part of Ordon/South part of Faron Woods. --TSA 22:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just beat the game and at the credits it looked like Ilia was waiting for Link to return and Link was heading into Ordon not away from it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.195.158.95 (talk) 05:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: He said that has long as Ganon is alive, Ganon would resurect him, implying an beief that Ganon gave a flying crap about Zant's existence.  He believed that as long as he did Ganon's bidding, Ganon would keep reviving him every time he died.  However, a character analysis of Ganon says that the chances of Ganon caring that much about someone that he didn't need are zero to none.  Zant thought that Ganon would want to revive him, but we all know that that's bullcrap, unless he needed Zant for some reason. Bucky 22:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not up for debate - take screenshots and compare the ending shot and in-game scenes - he's riding away. --TSA 06:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're that adament about it, a'ight.  I'll accept it until I can confirm it during the summer. Bucky 05:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This isn't the place for original research, but I can provide you screens/video footage if you want proof. --TSA 01:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End Credits 

message: At the stands at Hyrule Castle-Town, there are three items that give you the impression that they are of some relevance but don't really go anywhere. First there are two apples at two different stands that you compare to eachother for some reason. Then there is "a pretty flower, and not to expensive" at an unmanned floral stall. Perhaps they are subplots that were dropped halfway through. Also, what is the deal with Link and Ilia, are they friends, boyfriend-girlfirend, or what.
:This would be interesting if you could find a source for the claim that they were "deleted scenes."  As for Link and Ilia, (the following is Speculation) the writers probably figured that that particular subplot would take away from the story, so they left it out.  If you've ever seen the 1996 Doctor Who movie, you'd see what they probably feared. Bucky 05:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loose ends 

message: Alright, I know it was stated in an article that TP takes place only decades after OoT. But with all the in-game references, it's extremely obvious that the time difference is a lot longer than that. I don't understand how that shouldn't be mentioned at all in this article. That fact about the time was made a while before the game came out. There was more than enough time for them to change directions with that. There's also the possibility that it was a mistranslation. Nintendo isn't familiar with this at all, now are they? Let's not forget the same deal with TWW. The original statement was that it was a century after OoT. But most people generally agree that it actually takes place many centuries after OoT and that the article was mistranslated. How can that apply there but not in this case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.120.90 (talk • contribs) 
:The original statement about TWW was hundreds of years after, Nintendo made that clear. What in-game references are you talking about? Unless their is something in the game that says hundreds of years, it would be original research. The only official statement regarding the timeline is that it's set decades after OOT. TJ Spyke 23:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article in which Nintendo said it was a few decades was published long before thegame was released, so why should we assume it is correct? There are plenty of out-of-date statements about games that are never officially taken back, and there is substantial, albeit hard to cite, in-game evidence that the game is far more than decades after Ocarina, including the fisherman's ancestral status and the ruins of the temple of time among other things. Why can't it be replaced with something less exact, since the precise time is not known? If it isn't completely sure, I don't think it should be taken as fact in an article. Panserbjørn 01:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will say this again, the only OFFICIAL info regarding the date is already in the article. A couple of fans on WP saying Nintendo is wrong about their own game is no enough to overide that. If you have any reliable sources stating otherwise, present them here (OR isn't reliable). TJ Spyke 01:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time set after OoT 

message: The producer of the extremely bad game "Zelda's Adventure" was named Lee Barnes. Is it possible that Barnes and his stupidity were named after him? After all, Nintendo considers those games horrible (and Barnes is an idiot), and I think it would make sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.237.24 (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it. It seems like a very obscure reference to me. --64.229.72.184 21:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation JackSparrow Ninja 22:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad speculation - the people who developed TP hardly considered Zelda II to be bad. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he meant the CDi Game. JackSparrow Ninja 22:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Well, I'd think they'd find someone even worse than the producer of an obscure bad game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please use this space only to discuss the article. Chris 
Griswold  (☎☓) 23:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Alice in Wonderland is significantly less obscure than a CD-i game barely anybody played. Jeff Silvers 04:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zelda's Adventure speculation... 

message: Am I the only one that finds it odd that Zant wears almost the exact same clothing that Ganondorf was shown wearing sometimes in WW?  I'm not saying that Zant is Ganon or some insane theory like that, but there must be some connection considering Ganondorf, who is the selfish and evil lord of darkness in Hyrule, decides to aid Zant, the suffering worm-like Twili. --Hyukan 02:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use this space only to discuss the article. Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zant/Ganondorf? 

message: Were does link always go at the end? I mean he just leaves, without saying anything, And were does he have to go? I all ready got everything... It just bothers me... Saint Edge 15:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use this space only to discuss the article. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't say anything about Link at the end of the game, so I believe Saint Edge was asking so he could put it in there. --Hyukan 23:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It did, but a user removed ot. TJ Spyke 23:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did, because it was an unnecessary detail that was being argued about with both sides using original research. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 05:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a thought 

message: Should we add a glitch section to the article which would include some of the many glitches in the game? Especially like the "Arbiter's Grounds Title Screen Back In Time Glitch". Just wondering.Unknownlight 17:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this going to be based on personal experience and forum talk or reliable sources? – Steel 17:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No, then. – Steel 17:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: If you can provide reliable sources, then they can be. TJ Spyke 23:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: From what i've seen, YouTube videos are not considered reliable sources. Something like IGN or GameSpot mentioning a glitch would be a RS. TJ Spyke 23:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glitch section?