Talk:Cumberland

message: This seems to suggest there were a few historic boroughs. It would be good to add some details. MRSC 11:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boroughs

message: Makes sense to merge Cumberland (ward) into Cumberland, as that article actually has more information about the ward than is in this one, which is very thin content-wise. Lozleader (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: At the moment, with so little information on the ward, the merger may seem sensible, but the ward of Cumberland is a fairly small part of the whole county and is the equivalent of a hundred (county subdivision). Hundreds are notable in themselves and can merit a substantial article – see, for instance, Whorwellsdown. If the two meanings of Cumberland are merged, then the other hundreds of the county will eventually have their own articles, and someone will rightly argue that the ward of Cumberland needs to be demerged from the county. For me, it's better to leave the two as they are. Moonraker2 (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger propsal

message: According to the table of parishes and wards in 1821 Renwick is listed as being in Allerdale above Derwent, well unless there are 2 villages called Renwick in Cumberland the only one I know of is or was in Leath Ward and was probably at the time a township of Kirkoswald.  I wont change this yet if somebody tells me that there is a Renwick in the west of the county. Penrithguy (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for putting that right. Not sure how that happened.... Lozleader (talk) 20:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renwick in Allerdale? 

message: I propose merging Cumberland (unitary authority) into Cumberland. For counties in which the administrative body broadly overlaps the historic county area, it is not standard practice to have two separate articles, e.g. Herefordshire is about both the ceremonial county and the unitary authority, whilst Huntingdonshire is about both the historic county and the government district. The presence of slightly different boundaries doesn't change this fact- e.g. the borders of Huntingdonshire in the Peterborough area are different now to historically. It would be quite easy to cover all information about Cumberland in this article rather than having two separate articles. Chessrat (talk, contributions)  00:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  What was the confusion? Is the disambiguation notice not enough? Would moving this article to "Cumberland (historic county)" be an improvement? --Inops (talk) 13:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Disambiguation notices are a weak fix, and easy to miss (as I did). The encyclopedia user is not necessarily an expert on how Wikipedia works, and it is the user that Wikipedia is written for, not the editors. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

text: *Comment Well said, it's merging an historic county with a local council, they don't even cover the same area. --Devokewater 10:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment One factor is the maintenance of the sense of identity for Cumberland that continued, at a low level, for all the period after the merger of the counties. You see this in the continuation with the word "Cumberland" in the names of the two NHS hospitals that serve the regionthere was never any suggestion that they should be renamed after the local government merger. Further evidence of that sense of identity is in Cumberland sausage whose protected geographical status was fought for when Cumberland was no longer a county. (Similarly, Cumberland Building Society, Cumberland Roofing, etc., etc.) I appreciate that a sense of identity is hard to measure, but the evidence is there for anyone who wants to look for it. For clarity, that sense of continuing identity, through all the changes, argues for merging the articles. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

text: *Comment  How does the merger make sense? have you looked into this? --Devokewater 10:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal