Talk:Battle of Largs

message: I think this article is really quite good compared to other articles on the subject in Wiki. However, there are 4 or 5 points that I can refine a little more. 
According to the History of the Earls of Orkney, Magnus the Barefoot gained jurisdiction over the Hebrides and Kintyre in 1098. I know that is 'about 1100' but it is a bit more accurate. The legend of this acquisition explains one of the reasons why the Scots were so frustrated with the entire affair.
It may be a good idea to mention the Wiki article on the Orkney Sagas and place an internal link to it since that article gives a little more detail on the Battle background.
Another point is that the Bishop of St. Andrews mediated the negotiations prior to the Battle. The Scots knew that the Christian Norwegians would respect the judgement of the Bishop. This stall tactic, which included the necessity to retreive the Bishop from St Andrews, was devised by the Sheriff of Ayrshire. That explains why Haakon, when he discovered the stall tactic, withdrew from the negotiations so quickly.
It was, in fact, the Sheriff of Ayrshire who led the Scottish 'army.' In today's terms I'm sure it would be more like a militia. And it was the Sheriff of Ayrshire, the Laird of Loudon Castle at the time, who was granted the extensive properties of Crosbie, a location near West Kilbride, shortly thereafter. Over hundreds of years his descendants divided the large grant into much more manageable estates that were eventually entirely sold by descendants by the 1800's. There may already be a Wiki article on that particular Sheriff of Ayrshire.
And finally, I believe that it would be more accurate to say, 
"While the Battle (or Skirmish as appropriate) of Largs was a tactical military draw, it was also an immediate strategic military victory and three years later a political victory for the Scots. The death of Haakon in Dec 1263 made the question of whether the Norwegians could mount another 'enforcement mission' a moot point. For whatever reason(s) the Norwegians no longer had the will to enforce their jurisdiction. Without the immediate ability of the Norwegians to subordinate or defend the Hebrides and Kintyre, the Lord of the Isles subsequently subordinated himself to the Scottish King. The Treaty of Perth three years later simply formalized the political victory that resulted from the Battle of Largs, and made that victory permanent." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr fission (talk • contribs) 00:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for comments, and for calling the article (which I have written the most of) quite good! As for your comments: I would be interested to hear your source for who commanded the Scottish troops. I haven't been able to find any really detailed sources from the Scottish side. As for your suggested change, I slightly disagree with your suggested change, but this is of course debatable. However, your use of the term "Lord of the Isles" is a total anachronism at this time. There were several people who held the title of King in the Hebrides at this time. The Lord of the Isles is a term of later centuries.--Barend 17:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article 

message: This is a good article.
The map would be better if it indicated Largs, Skye and the Lochs referred to in the discussion.RogueDuncan 21:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Largs Map 

message: Is it known where the exact battle took place? Is it indeed where the 'pencil' is? Or has the location been lost to history?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.2.198 (talk) 07:42, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:I don't think anyone will ever know the exact location, but the 'mound' described in the saga appears to have been identified and located. The 'Pencil' isn't anywhere near the likely battle-site. I wish I could find a free picture of the 'mound' for the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: location of battle

message: The village Kyleakin on Skye is always said to derive its name from Haakon - "Haakon's kyle" - following an assembly of his ships there prior to the battle. Does anyone know if there is any reliable confirmation of this etymology and, if so, is it worth mentioning?45ossington (talk) 06:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to focus this article on the actual battle. I don't think this location has much to do with it, quite a bit took place from Hakon's arrival on Skye and the battle. I think the factoid is something that should appear in Scottish–Norwegian War, like as a footnote or something. I've seen G. W. S. Barrow note the placename and Hakon in one of his books.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Kyleakin

message: I'm not sure if this information correlates with the Treaty of Perth, anyone have more information on this?
Twillisjr (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treaty of Perth 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to the page for Nemo me impune lacessit, it is suggested that a Norwegian raiding party prior to the battle had given themselves away when they trod on thistles, with the "guardian thistle" becoming part of Scottish culture because of this. If this holds up to anyone's scrutiny, it may be worth including this in the article. — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle's link to thistle in Scottish culture 

message: What is the particular issue with this article? It's not like its unsourced (the lead is left unsourced as a convention), so the content here is supported by what seem to be reliable sources. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 07:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hi there. The Scottish–Norwegian War article says that this battle way is indecisive (see the end of the lead section), whereas this article says that it was decisive. Thoughts? Willbb234Talk (please  me in replies) 11:05, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decisive or indecisive? 

message: there's an 83 word sentence with out helpful punctuation. makes it very hard to understand without rereading. 213.205.198.3 (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  hard to read 

message: It's an interesting article but the lead is too long. John (talk) 13:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead