Talk:Cognate

message: I like that while I was exploring words I was linked to a site that had derivation in its title. I immediately saw that there was discussion/a proposal to merge the article with another. I like where it is and would argue for it to stay where it is.
Again I am no Dr., nor an expert on words, just a burgeoning wiki-user who is interested. Sorry if this is in the wrong space, still learning. Any help (I figure I might have previewed first?) - PfandyA (talk) 07:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also oppose the merge to the infelicitous "genetic relationship (linguistic)" article. This term is much better known and more likely to be searched. -LlywelynII (talk) 16:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Latin cotidianum, French quotidien, Irish cotiantach??
: Isn't the French word an evolution from Latin, anyway?
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Some other false cognates from German are "Gift" which ironcially means poison, "Wiener" which means a person from Vienna or even "Hamburger" which can mean someone from Hamburg, Germany.
I removed these examples as they're not false cognates, but rather false friends.  According to the German dictionary Der Sprach Brockhaus, "Gift" in Old High German meant what it does in English.  "Hamburger" and "Wiener" are borrowings, and in German are simply adjectives which can denote anything from the respective cities (whether or not these are the true origins of the foods). --Damezi 14:20, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cotidianum

message: These two are "false friends" through another language --
* "Minne" (in Swedish) = memories
* "Minne" (in Sicilian) = mammaries
Both are pronounced the same.
Neither cognates nor truly false friends, but somehow they seem
related to me.  Steve Rapaport 17:24, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok... =P Actually, the Swedish word is singular, "memories" would be "minnen". Nevertheless, it's still funny...
Certain mammaries can cause memories, especially Swedish ones...--Gohiking 18:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a funny pair 

message: Question: Why not put (things like) this in the general linguistics category too? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.99.239.173 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer: Category:Historical linguistics is a subcategory of Category:Linguistics, so that would be redundant. Wiki policy is to simplify the cats. Alexander 007 01:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Hey, how or where do u get the superscript characters to show aspiration? I can read them as superscript when reading the article but they appear as squares in the edit script. And if I try to copypaste them from the article, they are pasted as squares. YoungSpinoza 20:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably it will be the different font that is accountable for the squares shown. I do not know the code for superscript characters, below here I see  and . What you could try, is setting another font to be used for monospace. Boudewijn (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Superscript help

message: Not pertaining to the subject of the article, but is it true that these two languages were mutually intelligible at the time of the Viking invasions of Britain? Considering the possible timeframe of the divergence of North and Western Germanic language groups around the beginning of the CE or earlier, this gives almost a thousand years for the OE and ON to diverge. Descendants of Latin and proto-Slavic have certainly become NOT mutually intelligible within a thousand years, but perhaps language change accelerated with the development of society?
Summary: words are borrowed from languages whether the borrower and the donor are mutually intelligible or not (cf. the example of words in English borrowed from French Norman.) I will investigate this further and if I don't find evidence on OE/ON mutual intelligibility, excise the parenthesized clause. Zapiens 17:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old English/Old Norse mutually intelligible? 

message: The new material I removed probably belongs in the article, but not in the lead where it was placed. It would go further below in the article. Alexander 007 19:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New stuff

message: Contributors to this article may be interested to know that the article on Embarazada (the Spanish for "pregnant", a false friend cognate with "embarrassed") is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Embarazada. Flapdragon 10:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embarazada 

message: What is the difference between etymon [], cognate, Root (linguistics) ???
and should we say "cognate" [] or "cognate word" []. Sorry to insist, i saw there was already an explanation, but i was not totaly convinced.
:If you think of it in terms of genealogy, etymons are like grandparents and cognates are like cousins.   They both embody historical relationships.  On the other hand, roots -- at least as the term is used in the linked article -- are synchronic rather than historical/diachronic; thus, "run" is (sort of) the root of "running," etc.  They embody only a relationship within the language at a specific point in time.  As far as I can tell, "cognate" can be either an adjective or a noun, so in most cases there is no need to say "cognate noun."  Perhaps the article should deal more extensively with these matters?  -- Visviva 15:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? 

message: the latin word was cognatus but the word is composed by cum  + natus the particle co is unexistent in ancient latin and the g on cognatus and the u becoming o are normal linguistic transformations when a word is composed by 2 or more words....can anyone control this and make the necessary corrections? i wouldnt do that because i don't read or study latin from 15 years ...... (the meaning of the word is "born togheter, born at the same time") thank you 151.80.3.184 22:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See recent change.  Note that "co-" is the equivalent of cum (originally quum) and is used in a prefix form.  BTW, I think you mean classical Latin, not ancient. •Jim62sch• 20:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  about cognate 

message: The addition of this text
 	a cognate is when your coc gets stuck in the nate and that hurts.
entered on 
 	16:13, 26 August 2007
is trash.  I leave it to a more experienced Wikipedia editor to click (undo).
144.226.230.36 22:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The English word pipi is the same as the english word pipisong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.48.120 (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pipi 

message: In the section "Cognates across languages", first paragraph, last sentence, one can read the following: 
:"[...] all meaning "night" and derived from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) [...]"
I am question why both Proto-Indo-European and PIE are linked as they link to the same page. I suggest we change it so it looks like this instead:
:[...] all meaning "night" and derived from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) [...]
Perhaps it's not even necessary to have the acronym as it is mentioned in the very beginning of the Proto-Indo-European language-article. /Tense (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking of acronym 

message: Croatian language does not use cyrilic script. If you write sth. in cyrilic script, you can not put croatian language next to it.Hammer of Habsburg (talk) 13:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is possible to include macedonian and some other languages in the same brackets. For instance, both macedonian and serbian language use cyrilic but they are listed separately and croatian that uses only latin script is put together with cyrilic! Any normal explanation????Hammer of Habsburg (talk) 13:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't mix the languages 

message: Wouldn't the example of greek zues and latin deus be a good example fo false cognates Slovenski Volk (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Calvert Watkins asserts that the two do s hare a common origin in How to Kill a Dragon. I don't have the book in front of me right now, but when I can, I'll put a citation of that fact.Lheureum (talk) 13:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  On False Cogantes 

message: Why not? Does it not descend from Old English cyning and from Proto-Germanic *kuningaz? CodeCat (talk) 15:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  king not a cognate of koning and könig? 

message: The main article is located at Cognate, not at Cognate (etymology). Therefore this talk page should be Talk:Cognate. Please move this page over the redirect at Talk:Cognate. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Yes, I'm aware that there's likely a more specific template for this. No, I've got no idea what it is, and considering that this will work, I'm not going to go looking for it. Yes, if you leave me a message telling me what the proper template is, I'd be quite appreciative. Thanks. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . This sort of move can be requested with  which is put on the target page in the form . JohnCD (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks . I am quite appreciative. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move this page to [[Talk:Cognate]] (move over redirect)

message: "a mistake to identify their later meanings" - can we be clearer about what is meant here? JMK (talk) 10:34, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discus

message: :
Does this sentence really mean to say that kinematográfos is a synonym of sinemá, meaning both 'movies (collectively)' and 'a theater'?  Or that it bears the same relation to both senses of sinemá?
And while I'm up, how wrong would it be to transcribe the gamma as g for the naïve reader's convenience? —Tamfang (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  sinemá 

message: This is in response to 's deletion of the pair Spanish mucho : English much, with the edit comment 
: ‎False cognates: Bilingual speaker of Spanish and English here. Much and mucho have quite different meaning.
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They're close enough to mislead a lot of English speakers (including me, a trained linguist, until I saw this article and looked up both etymologies). That's all it takes. "False cognates are words that people commonly believe are related (have a common origin), but that linguistic examination reveals are unrelated." Besides...
The following examples are from Mucho mucho at WordReference.com. I've trimmed it down to examples including the exact English word much, deleting most of those that use the synonymous colloquial lots (of) or a lot (of) but keeping a few where those expressions can be straightforwardly replaced with "much"; these I've noted in curly braces { }.
See also the tab on the same page for the Collins dictionary.
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Mucho
Principal Translations
*mucho adv	(gustar: encantar)	
:very much adv
Compound Forms
*aún hay mucho por hacer expr	(gran tarea por delante)
: 	 	there's still much to do v expr
*con mucho sacrificio loc prep	 (a costa de)
: with much sacrifice expr
*Les da mucho gusto ver a su hijo con la carrera terminada
: 	They feel very pleased by seeing their son finish his studies. {lit., It gives them much pleasure}
* dar mucho juego loc verb	enfático (despertar comentarios)
:	generate a lot of comment v expr
: 	 	cause a lot of debate, be the subject of a lot of debate v expr {= much debate}
* dar mucho que hablar loc verb	enfático (atraer atención pública)
:   	be the source of much talk
* dejar mucho que desear expr	(insatisfactorio)	
: 	  leave much to be desired v expr
* haber mucho por hacer loc verb	(cosas por zanjar)
:  	 (formal)	there be much to do v expr
* lo dudo mucho
: 		I doubt it very much, I very much doubt v expr
* lo mucho que	
:  	as much as expr
* mucho más loc adj	(cuantificador superlativo)	
:   much more adj
* Juan no se jode mucho porque trabaja un día al año.
** no mucho loc adv	(poco)
: 	not much adv
* no mucho expr	anglicismo (nada en particular)
:  	not much, not a lot expr
:Note: Usada en respuesta a la pregunta '¿Cómo estás?'.
* Por mucho que tenga buena voluntad, la otra parte no está dispuesta a ceder.
**por mucho que, por mucho que se haga algo
**por más que se haga algo loc conj	(enfatiza una negativa)
::  	no matter how much expr
:Note: Se construye con subjuntivo.
* si no es mucho pedir expr	(si no te importa)
:   	if it isn't too much to ask expr
* tener mucho que aprender loc verb	(ignorar)
:   	have much to learn v expr
* y mucho menos a conj + loc adj + p	(cuantificador superlativo)
:  	much less to expr 
--Thnidu (talk) 18:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  False cognates 

message: Please add a link to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_German_cognates_with_English in the see also section, as this is really a helpful resource. --80.187.104.73 (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request: Add link to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_German_cognates_with_English in the "see also" section 

message: This article refers to etymons (in the illustration). I think "etymon" needs its own Wikipedia page. It's an important concept.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.105.82 (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymons