Talk:Charles Taylor (Liberian politician)

message: Could someone explain me what is ment by neighbouring country Nigeria? -- Inic
:It's nearby. They don't border but are part of the same region. Everyking 08:02, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nigeria 

message: As someone who doesn't know much about Charles Taylor, this article is hopelessly confusing to me. 
Firstly, there's a lot of missing context information. For example, a paragraph starts with "He was briefly arrested in 1979 after threatening to take over the Liberian diplomatic mission in New York City". What job did he have at this time? This might not seem like a big problem, but such background information is missing throughout this article.
Secondly, you have parts that are ridiculously short and eventful. Here's an example: "Taylor managed to flee the United States and shortly thereafter went to Libya where he underwent guerrilla training under Muammar al-Gaddafi, becoming Qaddafi's protegé.[3] Eventually he left Libya and used the training he gained there to begin a civil war in Liberia." Holy crap! Did someone just become an international fugitive, become an ally of an infamous dictator, and start a civil war in yet another country - all in just two sentences!?
Then you have things that are just totally unexplained. For example, "After the official end of the civil war in 1996, Taylor became Liberia's president on August 2, 1997, following a landslide victory in July, in which he took 75 percent of the vote." Could someone please explain to me what the relevance of Sierra Leone's civil war to Liberia is? Sure, it mentions Taylor's association with the RUF, but I still don't see the relevance. I'm sure it is relavent, but I don't know why.
You also have periods of time that are simply missing. For example, the section "rise to power" is followed by "end of rule". What happened in between?
This article needs some serious re-writting. 58.172.80.154 (talk) 01:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is hopelessly confusing 

message: "The neighbouring nation of Nigeria also deployed dozens of troops to the country"
I just watched a documentary (Liberia: An uncivil war) which claimed that about 700 Nigerian peacekeepers were deployed. I did a quick search and found this which says that initially 200 peacekeepers were deployed, and that 3250 was expected. Couldn't find anything on how many who were eventually deployed, but "dozens" might be understating it a bit. The History of Liberia article mentions the Nigerian peacekeepers, but doesn't say how many they were. 80.203.115.12 22:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There were two separate UN peacekeeping missions, each done partly in conjunction with an ECOWAS mission.  The article on this topic (UNMIL)) is painfully incorrect, as I've noted on its talk page, and I plan to fix it up and break it into two articles as it should be since I am quite knowledgable about the topic.  As of right now, I'm not sure of the answer to your question but Nigeria did send peacekeepers to both missions and had quite a bit more for the second mission.  That probably has something to do with the confusion on this topic.  The two missions were UNOMIL (1993-1997) and UNMIL (2003-Present).  The first had an ECOWAS counterpart, the second one started out under ECOWAS and got taken over by the UN, if my memory serves me.  I'll brush up on the subject tonight and fix the problem. --The Way 15:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Nigerian peacekeepers 

message: The articles places no mention upon the army of over 20,000 child soldiers that Taylor had in the NPFL, and his methodologies of keeping them loyal. I know wikipedia has a very narrow index of child soldiery articles, but I think it is particularly relevant, especially with his involvement in Sierra Leone.
Arvidius 09:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child soldiers? 

message: The article lists his middle name as Ghankay. I've heard some sources give McArthur as his middle name. Which is it?
:It appears that "Charles MacArthur Taylor" is an alias.  See, for example, . -Scottwiki 10:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, but I think MacArthur was his original middle name, and Ghankay was something he added later, perhaps for symbolic reasons because the name is African. Everyking 07:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His middle name 

message: Scams are exactly what the word says. 419 is a section in Nigerian law covering the practice. I have removed this note from article, pending proof:
Note: Charles Taylor is a frequent figure in numerous 419 scams.
Gregorydavid 14:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Taylor is a frequent figure in numerous 419 scams? 

message: According to this article (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/27/i_dl.01.html), it is claimed that prosecuters are accusing Taylor of aiding and abetting members of al Qaeda in an effort to destabilize the entire West African region. Worth mentioning, perhaps?
:Sure; it's probably nonsense, but the accusation is notable. Everyking 10:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Qaeda links? 

message: i've received this mail today:
Attn:
 
I am one of the personal financial secretary/investment advicer to president Charles Taylor of Liberia who is presntly in United nation detention in Holland for trial.
 
Dear, pls i need your foreign partnership to assist me invest in your country. I have interest in buying of shares in big companies,corporate orgenizations and  real estate management and any other profitable business you may wish to recommend for me.
 
I have with me $8.5M for this project. I realized the fund from sales we made in cash from liberia diamond and timber trades during the administration of president taylor.
This money is presently with INTERNATIONAL BANK (LIBERIA) LIMITED My major problem now is the world national court  and united nations has also decleared his TEN MAN COMMITEE WANTED WHICH I AM AMONG THEM, for judgement for his past rule to Liberian Government with his ten men commitee.
 
Please view this websits for more proof:::::::::::::::::::::::FOR YOU ALONE.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor
 
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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8936
 
As soon a s this money is transfered to you, i will come over immediately.send your direct phone number where i can reach for more discussions.pls keep this mail and transaction confidential for security reasons especially for my sake.
YOU CAN ALSO CALL ME OR SEND SMS TEXT IMMEDIATELY ON MY PRIVATE NUMBER+234-8060016358.
 
Best regards,
 
Joy Mba.
Thanks for sharing that - those scam letters are often hilarious the way they use English - see the website 419eater.com for lots of other entertaining examples. The fact that Taylor is currently a leading figure in these bogus letters, along with former Nigerian strongman Sami Abcha and Angolan guerrila leader Jonas Savambi could be worth a mention in the 'cultural references' section of this article.
Something else should be made clear: 
THE LETTER ABOVE IS A SCAM. THE SENDER IS A FRAUD. DO NOT CONTACT HIM OR SEND HIM MONEY.
I know, you wouldn't do it, nor would anyone with half a brain, but some people are doing it, or these letters would not keep coming out. Whenever one of these letters is reproduced, it should have a warning of some sort attached; sad, but there it is. 76.2.152.124 (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 419 scam

message: I have moved all details to Taylor's trial from the Liberia page to this bio. In case I missed a detail (esp. current) please use this info provided below from the former liberia trial sectoin for correction on his trial.
  
-	In March 2006, President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf sent a letter formally requesting the extradition of Charles Taylor from Nigeria to face justice. While Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo confirmed receipt of the request and notified the Chairman of the African Union, Denis Sassou-Nguesso, and the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) Mamadou Tandja on March 17, 2006, Nigeria’s plans to comply with the request were not immediately clear. After representatives from Liberia and Nigeria met to discuss the issue, Nigeria announced on March 25, 2006 that it would allow Liberian authorities to arrest Taylor. It was long feared that Taylor could easily slip into hiding to escape charges of the Special Court for Sierra Leone, and by March 28 Taylor had reportedly disappeared from his Nigerian compound. He was recaptured by alert border guards at dawn on March 29 trying to cross into Cameroon. Taylor was quickly flown to Liberia, where he was shuffled onto a waiting UN helicopter to face charges for crimes against humanity in Sierra Leone (though not in Liberia). The venue for his trial was changed form Sierra Leone to The Hague, and he was flown out of Sierra Leone on June 20, 2006. He has been imprisoned in the Netherlands waiting for his trial which began on 25 June 2007. Taylor initially refused to appear in court, and initially planned to defend himself, but has since appeared and requested lawyers. According to Trial Watch the proceedings have been postponed until January 2008 to allow Taylor's new legal team time to prepare.
Thank you, Kain Nihil 06:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extradition and trial of Charles Taylor 

message: I've just removed the "Charles 'Chuckie' Taylor" section, since it seems to be directly copied-and-pasted from a Dec. 6, 2006 CBS News/AP Story.  The material was added the same day the CBS article came out.  If someone wants to re-write the section, though, the information does seem relevant.  Maybe "Chuckie" should even have his own page? Bencoland (talk) 22:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing apparently plagiarized section

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message: The 02:03, 14 January 2010 173.79.40.214 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia to expand a stub.--Wing (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation into Chinese Wikipedia 

message: "With the backing of the then-South African president Thabo Mbeki and against the urging of Sierra Leone president Ahmad Tejan Kabbah, Ghana declined to detain Taylor, who returned to Monrovia."
The use of the term "backing" is very confusing here. Did Mbeki want Taylor detains (he "backed" detainment) or did Mbeki want Taylor released ("He backed Ghana declining to detain him)? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 14:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing passage 

message: mistake on religion needs clarification or correction - listed as baptist. but is currently jewish.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/04/26/former-liberian-president-convicted-of-war-crimes
"Taylor, a former Baptist who converted to the Jewish faith"Newtonsghost (talk) 18:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this article (I'm not familiar with the source, so I don't know whether it pass WP:RS), he married polygamously in an Islamic ceremony.  Nyttend backup (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  He is a Jewish convert Jewish Convert--Inayity (talk) 08:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article (and those cited on the main page) indicate that his wife considers him to be Jewish.  However, he does not seem to have succeeded in conversion to Judaism, which requires the approval of a Jewish court (Bais Din).  I have thus edited the page to indicate that he is attempting to convert.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.78.196 (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a theological technicality,(many types of Jews, many ways to convert) his wife is a R.S on his religion, unless you can ask HaShem his wife is a R.S she didnt say She believed she said (and I will quote: He has decided to become a Jew. And he wants to follow the true religion according to him. He wants to know deeply about God," Mrs. Victoria Taylor told BBC radio.Mrs. Taylor said her husband found Judaism only after his trial began."When he got to The Hague, he got to know that he really, really wanted to be a Jew. And he wanted to convert to Judaism. And that's what he has done… He wants to know deeply about God and all about creation, and he wants to serve God accordingly and immediately," she said.http://abcnews.go.com--Inayity (talk) 11:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not supposed to "speculate" to the "type" of Judaism he converted to. His wife is not an expert on Jewish Faith and did not specify the sect he converted to. She alluded to his belief structure, and that is all we can say. --Inayity (talk) 22:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: In the box with SCSL verdicts, "Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 years into armed forces or groups, or using them to participate actively in hostilities" is classified as "VIHL" ("Other serious violation of international humanitarian law"). This should be classified as War Crime according to the Rome Statute :
In its definition of war crimes the statute includes "conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities" (Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi)) in international armed conflict; and in the case of an internal armed conflict, "conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities" (Article 8(2)(e)(vii)).
Source: http://www.child-soldiers.org/international_standards.php
157.150.192.237 (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  enlisting children under 15 war crime 

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message: Not sure if this term applies to converts who don't abandon every aspect of Christianity. Messianic Jews are Jews who convert to Christianity without scrapping all Jewish tradition, while Taylor appears to be doing the exact opposite. If he intends to practice both religions simultaneously, I don't think there's a good term for that. Suggestions? --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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