Talk:Luis Aponte Martínez

message: In fact, there is no "University of Boston." Given that Martinez was studying at St. John's Seminary which is on the campus of Boston College, I assume the original author meant Boston College and not Boston University, a Methodist institution. --Invincoli 14:55, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: One user is insisting on giving Luis Aponte Martínez the title of "The Most Reverend Lord", which Wikipedia gives to no other cardinal.  Esoglou (talk) 14:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the full title for a cardinal as given in the Annuario Pontificio. The fact that other articles have neglected to use it does not negate it as the most proper usage. Daniel the Monk (talk) 01:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hum..., according to the Catholic Encyclopedia , User:Daniel the Monk is right and therfore it seems as if the other articles have neglected to use it. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not need to and does not in fact give all the titles of those on whom it has articles.  It does not give for Pope Benedict XVI the titles given to him on page 23* of the Annuario Pontificio (I translate): "Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Metropolitan Archbishop of the Province of Rome, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City".  Besides, where the Annuario Pontificio gives the curriculum vitae, address, telephone number and e-mail of Cardinal Aponte (page 34* of the latest edition), it gives him no honorific whatever, mentioning him only as "Aponte Martínez Luis"!  And the Catholic Encyclopedia of a whole century ago is severely out of date, at least since the 1969 Instruction on the Dress, Titles and Coats-of-arms of Cardinals, Bishops and Lesser Prelates!  Esoglou (talk) 09:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are those honorific titles or offices? Daniel the Monk (talk) 14:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are referring, as I suppose, to the titles of the Pope on page 23* of the Annuario Pontificio, I would say that they are titles of office, not mere honorific titles like "His Holiness" or "Pope" or "Holy Father".  The Wikipedia article on Benedict XVI does not in its information box give him any merely honorific title.  Apart from that on Cardinal Aponte, no Wikipedia article gives a cardinal, not just one, but two merely honorific titles: "His Eminence" and "The Most Reverend Lord".  The 1969 instruction on the titles of cardinals and bishops does not require the use of these honorific titles: it only permits them: "22. Pro Patribus Cardinalibus adhiberi poterit titulus « Eminentiae », pro Episcopis vero titulus « Excellentiae », quibus aggiungi etiam fas erit adiectivum nomen « Reverendissimum ».  23. Cum vero vel Pater Cardinalis vel Episcopus, aut scriptis aut oratenus, compellatur, prior « Dominus Cardinalis », alter vero italica lingua « Monsignore » vocari poterit" (emphases added -  AAS 1969, pp. 558-559).  You, on the other hand, insist on something that neither the Holy See's regulations nor the Annuario Pontificio (to which you appealed) impose.  Indeed, Wikipedia is not bound even by the Holy See's regulations.  What Wikipedia and you and I as editors of Wikipedia are bound by is Wikipedia's own Manual of Style.  Please read WP:HONORIFIC.  This, I think, allows (but does not impose) the use of an honorific in the infobox, but surely two of them together is excessive. Esoglou (talk) 21:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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