Talk:Pinch harmonic

message: :moved from - of all places - Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. No, I don't know why it was posted there either. Grutness...wha? 13:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinch Harmonic

message: This page deserves to be tagged as substandard. The language is too informal. For example, it uses the second person to address the reader ("you should..."). 165.123.140.215 16:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a native speaker of English and I notice that the language is still crap nonetheless. I mean who uses sencences like "Overtones ... will share the nodes of the lower overtone, so won't be muted"? --White rotten rabbit (talk) 18:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Horribly substandard language

message: The once helpful list of examples has turned into an "insert your favorite artist here" monster list. It would probably be easier to just list the artists who don't use pinch harmonics. If this isn't going to be limited to a few representative artists and songs (which is probably impossible to do, given how subjective such a list would have to be), I think we should at least alphabetize the lists to give some order to them and not make it appear as though some artists are more deserving of recognition as pinch harmonicists than others.-Jefu 06:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe it just needs to go. I see no particular purpose for it, and thinning the list would be pretty subjective. It really is just an "insert your favorite artist here" thing, unless the artist has been noted particularly for being very technically proficient and using pinch harmonics in a significant, innovative, or notable way (e.g. Satriani). That might be a reasonable alternative to the list we have now, which is horrible. Cheeser1 22:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it's cos the list is reserved for well known songs that people will have heard and recognise, not some obscure guy nobody's ever heard of, regardless of how good at they may be.--User:KX36 17:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of examples 

message: I have rewritten this section; standardising terminology, rephrasing things, adding punctuation, adding information and generally improving it in every way :-D. I have also removed the section about Billy Gibbons and Brian May using coins as plectrums to enhance their pinch harmonics; they do it purely for image. Coins make very bad plectrums, they don't have pointy tips and they dont have any give in them, meaning they're harder to use and wear down strings incredibly quickly (weakening them often to the point of snapping).--KX36 18:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the rewrite, but it still needs sourcing (as does most of this article). I don't know if I'm going to tag it as unsourced, sicne it does have some external links that may qualify as sources, but it would be good for us to source it a bit better at some point. Cheeser1 20:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "For example, to produce a pinch harmonic one octave higher than the fundamental of a string stopped at the third fret of a guitar, the string must be plucked halfway between the third fret and the bridge (i.e., the 15th fret, as fret spacing is logarithmic). Other overtones of the same fundamental note may be produced in the same way at other nodes along the string." -- This is wrong. What matters is where you touch the string after plucking it to dampen the fundamental, not where you pluck it. Philgoetz (talk) 01:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be implied that 'plucking' the string in this context is with proper pinch harmonic technique (since having discrete movements of plucking then dampening the string would not result in a 'proper' pinch harmonic). That said, the section in question should be modified for clarity. Perhaps also cite the fret placement. The silence (talk) 01:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Techniques - Pinch Harmonics (rewritten) 

message: This article needs clean up. Alot of sentences are mashed together incoherently, the wording is poor, there are no sources, and it's getting a bit out of control. Wikipedia isn't a database of lists, nor is it a how-to guide. We need to keep that in mind. I've cut the lists. Anyone who uses the technique notably can be included in the body of the article. If you can't put somebody's name in there without a good reason as to why they are notably associated with pinch harmonics, they do not belong in this article. The other things that need to be done are: (1) Cut out unnecessary how-to material (this may have been cut at some point - I forget), (2) reorganize article structure based on remaining content, (3) reword poorly written parts (the whole thing?) and (4) properly source claims that need sourcing. --Cheeser1 04:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: I don't think 'signature' is completely accurate here, yet I think it is stronger than 'sound'.
NantucketNoon 02:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound to Signature 

message: Throughout the entire text of the article, there are many guitarists, groups, and genres mentioned. They don't seem to be a complete listing, or even a listing of particularly notable guitarists/bands/genres -- and there are a lot of glaring omissions (like Leslie West's early 1970s work in Mountain which was full of the stuff). I'm not sure how to best clean it up though - does anyone else have any ideas? Luminifer (talk) 02:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random artists thrown into the text 

message: I always knew these as pick harmonics, not pinch harmonics - in fact, the way I play them involves no pinching at all. A quick google shows that both names are valid, but it seems like 'pick harmonic' is actually more common. Any thoughts? Luminifer (talk) 04:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I ask because I've never actually heard someone in person call it that. Luminifer (talk) 05:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: I suggest this article be merged with that for Artificial harmonic - most of the information is the same, and this article has a lot more detail which applies to both articles. Luminifer (talk) 15:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with artifical harmonic 

message: Someone has just removed much material from this page. Some tags were removed (as "unnecessary" with no explanation). Some material was also removed with the excuse that it was original research, but then was replaced by other original research. Can someone please either remove all original research, reinstate the article, or explain how this change is actually an improvement? Luminifer (talk) 05:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of material

message: The technique is possible on any fretted stringed instrument
Why does it require frets? 151.200.47.86 (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frets 

message: "It is important to note that as only one fundamental sounds..." Wrong, wrong, wrong.
There's only ever a maximum of one fundamental for any fretted note. A full-on pinch gets rid of it in favor of one of the overtones and a small mix of its upper friends, so the total number of sounding fundamentals during this procedure is usually zero, unless sort of a half-pinch is executed, which just de-emphasizes the amount of fundamental heard in favor of the overtones. Note: doing the latter consistently is a bit more difficult than a full pinch.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.225.21 (talk) 09:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Information 

message: I changed the guitar harmonics page, rewording it so its not saying you must use your thumb, I suggest the same here, but this page and that have the same data otherwise, and seems a bit redundant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The reddish (talk • contribs) 15:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias on thumbs and redundant data from the Guitar Harmonics page

message: "...possible on any fretted stringed instrument..."
 There's need for frets, don't ask for sources...
a.sorel 92.144.12.110 (talk) 11:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. I play fretless bass (fingerstyle, too) and have no problem pulling out a harmonic overtone. Weeb Dingle (talk) 07:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

text: To clarify — with fingerstyle bass, it's actually similar to guitar. Finger motion is pretty much as when you snap your fingers. The thumb becomes the damping point, while the second finger is the "plectrum." I think I swiped this trick from an old Tim Bogert column in Guitar Player. Weeb Dingle (talk) 03:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  frets 

message: I've played fretted instruments since like 1973, and was already a huge fan of Joe Walsh and Leslie West before that new Billy Gibbons guy was ever heard on the radio, specifically "Francine". 
Gibbons was hardly first to use the trick, BUT he inarguably made it a big part of his style (in solos and fills). Guitar players for YEARS told me to my face that Gibbons was using some sort of electronic effect to get that overtone ring, and many would stick to that argument even after I demonstrated how to do it!
Though I'm hardly a credible source for reference, I'd happily argue that it was Gibbons alone who made this trick a part of the modern guitar technique, and all who came after are merely followers.
As I've said elsewhere, if anyone can do it, or everyone does it, then it's NOT notable, and therefore the article should be removed. There's no sharply defined history, no date of discover, no sole clear inventor. Nobody owns the copyright. Therefore, EVERY name added to the list of "users" is another nail in the coffin.
And tossing in generous dollops of fanboy nonsense about "how it's properly done" is only better in the sense that the nails are somewhat smaller. Weeb Dingle (talk) 04:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable, or not 

message: Begin with By using string bending, a whammy bar, a wah-wah pedal, or other effects, electric guitarists are able to modulate the pitch, frequency, and timbre of pinch harmonics, resulting in a variety of sounds. That gratuitous statement pretty much sums up ALL guitar-playing: By using string bending, a whammy bar, a wah-wah pedal, or other effects, electric guitarists are able to modulate the pitch, frequency, and timbre of the instrument, resulting in a variety of sounds. It goes away now.
Then Pinch harmonics are used extensively in death metal. Groovy; an excellent case for eliminating any subsequent "here's yet another guy who does it" statements. Ditto for The technique is also used commonly in other subgenres of heavy metal.
Assertion counts for nothing in WP: Another prime example of this technique being utilized by Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead can be heard in "Loser" from their May 8, 1977 show. With no citation, it's conjecture, therefore gone. More will follow. Weeb Dingle (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  stuff I'm deleting 

message: Every time I scan this article, something leaps out and tries to bite me. For instance, The outcome of this is that if a node is directly over a pickup, it won't sound through that pickup. The vast majority of inflection points are indeed quite narrow, but these repeat down the string, so where a string is stopped is immaterial so long as it rings. And pickups by comparison are massive, so "directly over a pickup" claims a precision that doesn't exist. Weeb Dingle (talk) 05:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  questionable "info"