Talk:Special settlements in the Soviet Union

message: This article is billed as the 500,000th article on Wikipedia - see Wikipedia:Press_releases/March_2005. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:30, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reasoning behind that decision was flawed and based on a misreading of what I said. -- Cyrius|✎ 20:07, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Cyrius is referring to an erroneous assumption that another article wasn't included in the count. However, there is separate reasoning, independent of errors elsewhere, that identifies this as being the article. --Michael Snow 20:58, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Er - could you be slightly less cryptic - how and where was the decision made, who made it, and what evidence was is based on? -- ALoan (Talk) 22:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, this discussion is going on in multiple places at once. See Wikipedia talk:Half-million pool, although I guess it's still being debated there. --Michael Snow 22:38, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 0.5M rant

message: I didn't expect to get myself in the limelight. I have no good plan to make a good article at once. I realize the topic is obscure for vast majority of english-speaking people. Usually my style of work is to add pieces of knowledge along the way I stumble upon them. So unless someone joins for good, don't expect a full-fleshed article very soon. Mikkalai 03:02, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating

message: A word of caution: this article has to have only the summary of the "population" of these settlements. Details must go into the corresponding "main articles". For example, for "Exile settlement" section, the "main article" would be something like Population transfer in the Soviet Union. I didn't do it for the sole reason that the latter one is a scarse summary itself. Mikkalai 04:37, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope

message: :The majority were people from territories liberated from German occupation
Some Moldavians were deported after the war, but claiming their territory was liberated, is, well... not factually true. Another formulation should be found. Bogdan | Talk 22:55, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Mikkalai 00:12, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: (post war deportations)

message: After some time the requirement  of a person to report could be lifted. But I am not sure whether this meant the lift of the travel or settlement restriction (although the "101st kilometre" rule was a separate issue). Mikkalai 17:49, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NKVD monitoring of exiled

message: (Евре́йская автоно́мная о́бласть - Yevreyskaya avtonomnaya oblast; formerly Jewish Autonomous Republic)
Complete neglect of mentioning that from the populations of Poles and Scandinavians and the other Eastern Europeans, is that the Jews were further segregated into their own territory between east of Lake Baikal and the upper Amur River.
Schlüggell | Talk 18:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They were not "segregated". And there was but a tiny fraction of Jews there. Finally, it was not "involuntary". Mikkalai 04:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jewish Autonomous Oblast]]

message: Under "preventative" removals 1941-2, the article says that several nationalities, including Finns, Romanians, and Greeks were removed as enemy populations. The Greeks require explanation, since Greece had just fought (and lost) against Hitler and Mussolini - whereas the Finns and the Romanians were Hitler's allies. 
This may well be what Stalin did, but why? Septentrionalis 23:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Greeks as enemy population?

message: Shouldn't we include info on колония-поселение (koloniya-poseleniye)? I'm not even sure how to translate it into English (prison settlement?). They used to transfer people from minimum, medium, and maximum security prisons (колонии общего, усиленного и строгого режимов correspondingly?) to these kolonii-poseleniya, whenever they were deemed ready to be introduced back into society. There were alsmost no guards, "prisoners" were allowed outside visits, they were paid for their work and could live with their families etc. It was for the purpose of putting inmates' lives back on track, so to speak. Or was it just for real criminals? KNewman 03:51, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
:I strongly suspect that this is a relatively modern term. Also, the meaning of the word "colony" changed over time. In particular, I cannot figure out the difference between "corrective labor colony" and "corrective labor camp". 
:In all corrective labor establishments inmates have been paid for their work at all times. 
Mikkalai 05:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "penal settlement". 
According to Russian Ministry of Justice, "koloniya-poselenie is a settlement where inmates live and work. Within the territory of the settlement thay may move freely, without guards. The inmates live there under supervision (под надзором), not under guard (под стражей). They may live in normal living conditions, even with families." Mikkalai 05:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: For those, who read and understand Russian

message: This is the page taken from WP:COTW
Support:
# Dmn / Դմն 18:09, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  not likely anymore. Mikkalai 19:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: We need to improve this quickly lest someone view it and dismiss Wikipedia in general because a new article isn't up to par. --Tothebarricades.tk 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: *It was a stub when it was nominated, so it still counts.—thames 13:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: *Agreed, this falls within the guidelines, despite the ongoing improvements. --Dhartung | Talk 18:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Past COTW

message: There is a basic problem I see in the intro:
* there was a significant degree of freedom of travel
versus
* the travel was permitted only within the specified area [i.e., settlement], and
* all settlers were under NKVD monitoring
The actual facts of allowed travel do not support the characterization "significant degree of freedom." Everyone's papers said specifically what little area they were entitled to travel in without prior notice/approval. That is not anything that anyone can objectively associate with "freedom." —PētersV (talk) 00:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a "basic" problem, simply a poor choice of words. Please notice that the sentence compares forced settlemets with gulag camps. Anyway, you were right, and I replaced "significant" to "relative",  to make the comparison clearer. `'Míkka>t 02:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Freedom" to travel--or not--in intro

message: See Talk:Population transfer in the Soviet Union#Merge proposal. - Altenmann >t 18:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "unsourced / dubious; rm section apparently unrelated to special settlements". --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2020 edits 

message: Google Scholar results:
*"special settlements" "Soviet Union" = 1,400 results
*"forced settlements" "Soviet Union" = 154 results
Since this name is 10x as common and is the term used in the scholarly sources I've encountered, I don't think a move will be controversial. (t · c) buidhe 05:06, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: that's ridiculous lmao. anyone remember the "special settlement" of Australia? there were FORCED resettlements in the USSR whether you can admit it or not. 82.3.86.73 (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They were forced settlements but they were named special settlements. Please read Haddock's Eyes. - Altenmann >talk 15:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:COMMONNAME]]