Talk:2009 NHL entry draft

message: The article linked to in this page makes reference to the fact that Montreal BID on the Entry Draft, but there is no evidence supporting that they WILL host it.  It has not been announced yet, or if it was, I never seen anything about it.
Was vandalized by some retard, who put buttocks-related humour into the cells. AlexRochon (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: bid

message: Post questions about dealt draft picks here. Hockey-holic (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions about picks dealt between teams

message: Does "forfeit" mean that the pick goes straight back to Tampa Bay or that Round 4 will only have 29 picks? In any case, could someone please clean up the respective note (Note 2)? Unfortunately, I currently have no time to do this myself. Thx in advance! --Soccer-holic (talk) 12:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing that there will be 29 picks in that round. That's a guess though. ccwaters (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

text: If there are going to be only 29 (my guess as well), the table should be adjusted up as well, and the numbers on all subsequent tables will have to be adjusted. 192.104.67.122 (talk) 15:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, when it is confirmed, they will be adjusted. ccwaters (talk) 15:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maple Leafs pick, Round 4 

message: Maybe the author hasn´t noticed it, but the 3rd European Goalie Juraj Holly is actually Slovak by nationality, only plays for the Czech team Chomutov. Therefore a change would be necessary. 
62.168.125.19 (talk) 14:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch.  It's been corrected. Resolute 14:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juraj Holly 

message: Due to the Rangers added pick in the 2nd round, this will be a 211 pick draft, instead of the usual 210, as it's listed now. The numbers get misaligned in the 4th round, which only has 29 picks. Can someone with more experience in Wiki's tables please fix this error?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.72.63.204 (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is not an error. The Maple Leafs were forced to forfeit their fourth round pick (see also the respective note in the article), thus the number is down to 210 again. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 09:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Picks Discrepancy 

message: Boston gets a higher Flyers pick if Alberts becomes a free agent, but that might not won't be known until a few days after the draft. That doesn't make sense. Oh, and which 3rd round Flyers pick would it be? Can anyone clarify? ccwaters (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume that Calgary's pick was involved in the deal since it was the only third-rounder the Flyers were holding in October 2008. San Jose's pick was not owned by Philadelphia before November 2008. But then again, this is only an assumption. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 08:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: PHI-BOS Alberts conditional

message: The NHL rules for draft order dictate the 30th pick for the cup champion, 29th for the cup loser, 28th and 27th for conference final losers, and 26th to X for regular season division winners by standings (X is a variable depending on how many division winners make it to the conference finals and beyond). Since San Jose had the number one seed in the standings, they will be the 26th pick. Somebody had incorrectly placed San Jose in the 22nd spot (would be true if division winners were not situated directly above conference finalists), and I moved them to the 26th. They've since been taken out altogether. I'm adding them back in as 26th.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.72.63.204 (talk) 11:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is correct. I added San Jose picks to the other rounds, except round 4 which is dependent on whether Carolina makes it to the conf finals (That would by the pick that Toronto forfeits and could shift the numbering by one). ccwaters (talk) 12:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: SJS 1st Round Pick

message: Let's all remember folks, too keep the diacritics off, this & other North American based hockey articles. It's quite annoying, having those 'foreign objects' littering these articles. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for mentioning that.  I see you're doing a good job of replacing them but they keep finding their way back. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't dare check, any of the North American minor hockey related articles. They're likely littered. GoodDay (talk) 13:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

text: What's the reasoning behind this, other than your view that it's "annoying"? I know this might be hard for some native English-speakers to understand, but in some languages, those diacritics might be the difference between a compliment and an insult, and at least in the hockey countries Sweden, Finland, Czech and Slovakia, the name is pronounced completely differently depending on the letter - yes, o and ö are different letters in the alphabets of these countries. We are talking about people's names here, and getting the name deliberately wrong is in my opinion disrespectful. Why should Wikipedia try to change the names, even if some computer systems are unable to handle them (the main reason for their lack in NHL, I presume). Jenste (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a Wikipedia in the language of those countries, however, so that argument carries little weight, imo.  There have been numerous arguments throughout Wikipedia on the use of foreign language marks with the issue largely unresolved.  By way of compromise, and in the spirit of WP:ENGVAR, we've agreed within the hockey project to hide diacritics on North America specific articles as they are almost completely unused.  In European articles and player articles, we do show them. I've never bought into the "its disrespectful" strawman, as we are merely using the common spelling in the region the article focuses on. Resolute 22:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, WP:ENGVAR says to use original spelling for proper names, so in the spirit of that, we should show the diacritics. Even so, this is not a matter of language, as names are not translated. Transliterated yes, but since the languages I referred to all use the Latin alphabet, I hardly see a need for that. Common or not, the spelling is still wrong, so again, is there any good reason to not show them? "Annoying" hardly counts as a good reason.Jenste (talk) 18:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We also use common names and spellings in articles.  i.e. Dwayne Roloson instead of Albert Roloson.  Common spelling in North America does not show diacritics.  The use of foreign language marks in the English Wikipedia has been a topic of debate as long as I've been on this project.  We've reached a compromise based on ENGVAR's concept of using local spellings and I personally do not see a need to upset the apple cart yet again just because. Resolute 18:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Using nicknames of people instead of their official names hardly relates to the discussion of spelling, and of course diacritics are not common spelling because names with them are not common, but does this mean they should be spelled wrong? The letter C is not common spelling in the Nordics but it's still used with foreign names without a problem. Could you refer to where this discussion has been going earlier? I would be honestly interested in seeing why some people prefer to show the names without diacritics (and thus incorrect spelling), as I've never really understood this and I haven't seen it as an issue in the other language wikipedias I've read or edited. Jenste (talk) 18:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is one of the latest ones we've had within the hockey project. And another. And another.  Resolute 18:44, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  While we're on the subject of spellings 

message: I think we are currently off by one in the numbering due to Toronto's forfeited pick. I believe the league is handling that pick as #118 and the next pick (Chicago) will be officially deemed #119 . ccwaters (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so fast - I think we will have to wait until Friday before receiving a definite word. While the Panthers use a numbering similar to the Flyers, the Canadiens website counts by our current listing. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 19:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you're right: that would be a tedious edit. ccwaters (talk) 00:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That tedious edit has just been done, in accordance to this official page, along with some minor fixes for the first four rounds. However, there seem to be quite some differences for the remaining rounds; for example, pick #127 (Phoenix) is listed as definitely belonging to the NY Rangers because of that five-player trade between those teams at the '08 deadline although the original trade news spoke either about no pick involved or the pick being conditional. I will check this. #131 is indeed held by Carolina (from Edmonton) as part of that '09 deadline three-way deal and has slipped under the notes radar. The remaining pick differences are subject to converted conditions, so I suggest to add those on Saturday if the unlikely case happens that the one or other condition has been met. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 19:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Update on pick #127 – there was indeed a conditional pick involved in said five-player trade, with two conditions attached to it. However, the assuned "AND" turned into a simple "OR" as it seems. Unfortunately, this is unconfirmed, so any trustable source for this would be welcome. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 20:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbering

message: Toronto's first round pick, N. Kadri, has an incorrect position listed.  He plays Centre, not Defense. Tjw2007 (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pick #7

message: Is it just a free-for-all to see who gets to list the next player picked on the chart?  One editor makes the post while all the others try to make the edit only to get that error message.  Maybe you guys co-operate....I would like to know.Juve2000 (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: People love to be first up.  Personally, I just let the IPs go at it first, then clean up behind them where necessary (i.e.: on John Tavares (ice hockey)).  While it does make articles like this hectic, it does help pull new editors into the game.  Hopefully some register and help build the articles related to their teams. Resolute 04:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Resolute, I think it went fairly smoothly today. --Bhockey10 (talk) 04:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Co-ordinating the editing during the Draft

message: I'm not a registered user, but I noticed that you don't have round seven up.  The information is easily available at NHL.com:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?year=2009&round=7
Hope that helps!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.212.124 (talk) 02:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Round 7 

message: In the 5th Round with the 134th pick, it says that the Buffalo Sabres picked Mark Adams. That is correct. However it says he played for Catholic Memorial. That is incorrect. Mark currently plays for Malden Catholic High School. Therefore, could this error please be fixed? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wangchung729 (talk • contribs) 08:51, June 28, 2009
:anyone can fix minor errors, I'm sure there's a few more, no need to bring it up on the talk page.--Bhockey10 (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not when the article is semi-protected, but I have already fixed it. Cheers. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 22:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error: Round 5 Pick 134 

message: I fixed this already, but I wanted to point out anyway that the Penguins' 7th round pick this year was sent to Montreal for their 6th round pick in 2010, not their 3rd round pick.  I don't know if NHL.com edited the page in question at some point after this was posted or whether it was a simple mistake, but either way it's fixed now.  --Jemiller226 (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a simple mistake by me, probable made due to a extensive lack of sleep last Saturday (thanks a lot, Euro timezone!). I won't rule out that there are some more hidden in other notes as well, so a double-check would be welcome. Thanks for fixing! --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last pick of the draft 

message: I was reading the the wikipedia article on Vesa Toskala.  When San Jose traded him to the Toronto Maple Leafs, the article states that San Jose also acquired Toronto's 2nd round pick from the 2009 draft.  There seems to be no mention of this transaction on 2009 NHL Entry Draft page here.  Can someone please check this out.Juve2000 (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that the trade is mentioned in regards to Toronto's 4th round pick.  Maybe the Toskala article needs to be corrected.Juve2000 (talk) 19:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Vesa Toskala

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