Talk:Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit/Archive 1

message: The City is called Gdansk and was a Part of Poland not (Now Gdansk,Poland)
http://chem.oswego.edu/chem209/Misc/fahrenheit.htm
Another source that it was a Part of Poland. Now Poland shouldnt be included in this article my change however did mentuon the german name of danzig.
Kommiec 05:12, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: "He signed his name in latin as "Fahrenheit-Polonus", that gives us some hint about XVIII century citizenship concepts"
I will add a that back (minus the subjective interpretation of citizenship which would be an interpretation/opinion and not fact) when a reliable source for this information is given. Maximus Rex 20:00, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gdansk 

message: Article reads:
:It is still used by the general population for everyday temperature measurement in the United States and a few other English-speaking countries.
Which other English countries? I thought in UK, Canada, Ireland weather reports and medical body temperature measurements were metricated; they certaintly are in Australia and NZ, which is close to the whole English-speaking world, bar the US. -- SJK
:The last time I was in Britain, no, the time before that (three summers ago?), there was great excitement over the occurrence in London of a temperature of 100°F in the shade. The Brits I talked with talked in terms of Fahrenheit. Moreover, until recently (and for all I know perhaps even now) BBC Radio 4 would routinely give temperatures in pairs, Celsius and Fahrenheit; I got the impression that Mr and Ms Average Brit would ignore the former and think in terms of the latter. -- Hoary 06:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is the British tabloid for you.  High temperatures are always reported in Fahrenheit because a HUNDRED (F) sound more dramatic than 40C.  But low temperatures are always in Celcius - again becuase MINUS 10!!! (c) is more dramatic than plus 12-ish F.  Ovens and fridges are all in C.  The weather report always display the C value but sometimes the newscaster gives the F figure verbally for the old folks. My subjective impression is that most people talk in C.  --Red King (talk) 23:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fahrenheit

message: this is about adding the Polish name to the article. Molobo says it should be because it has a shared Polish-German History.  But the shared Polish history is only that it was ruled by a Polish fief, the rulers were Germans, semi-independent from Poland.  I say it should not be called Krolowiec (the polish name) as the  Kaliningrad/Konigsberg article does not use the term except in the tiniest portion on when it was a Polish fiefdom (note: not actually owning or ruling the land).
In conclusion, the Polish name should not be used as the Polish name is not even used in the city's article.
--Jadger 23:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding Polish names to Königsberg is not acceptable.-- Matthead  Discuß   23:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Konigsberg, Kaliningrad, Krolowiec

message: The person on the picture in the article is probably not Gabriel Fahrenheit, but Anders Celsius. It is very unlikely that Gabriel Fahrenheit and Anders Celsius were that similar.
// November 4, 2006
:As this seems to be the case, I deleted the link, and tagged the image for deletion. -- Matthead discuß!     O       12:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Picture? 

message: This article seems to incorporate a translation by Carmen Giunta. I wonder who this is. There's a Carmen Giunta who appears to be alive and well right now (and obviously hasn't been dead for 70 years; a significant term in US copyright law) and is supplying old texts on chemistry; although not, as far as I can see, on physics. Just a coincidence? If this is the same Carmen Giunta, then what assurance do we have that he/she released this material either under GFDL or into the public domain? 
There are other oddities, too, about this recent series of edits by one editor; perhaps all is well, but I hope he/she explains here. -- Hoary 00:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: material by Carmen Giunta

message: Until an explanation comes, we can't assume that what's credited to Giunta can legally be posted here. As long as we can't assume this, the entire series of edits by one editor that brought in the Giunta material is, I regret to say, suspect. I've therefore reluctantly reverted the article to the state it was in before the additions. I look forward to seeing an explanation by the editor, which I'll read with great interest. -- Hoary 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major reversion

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: References to Danzig Imperial City —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.223.2 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 21 April 2008
:Better would be a search for Danzig "Imperial City"
* Vienna, Danzig (Gdansk, a city of the king of Poland since 1454; its status comparable to that of an imperial city; member of the Hanseatic League). -  A Comparative Study of Thirty City-state Cultures: An Investigation, by Mogens Herman Hansen, 2000
* Danzig was a Lutheran imperial city, - The Story of the Mennonites, by C. Henry Smith, 1957
: ... and so on. Anyway, biographies are not the proper place to discuss the status of cities. Fahrenheit worked most of his life in Amsterdam. Do Dutch editors frequently show up to discuss the status of Amsterdam, to add Dutch, and Holland or Netherlands to the article, or is the city discussed which Fahrenheit left at age 15 or 16, a city which "had hardly a Pole within its walls"? -- Matthead  Discuß   19:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danzig, Imperial City 

message: Why is the country of birth deleted without explanation ?--Molobo (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can somebody explain  

message: I would guess British ?--Molobo (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Besides Polish what other citizenship did he held 

message: This article states that Fahrenheit originallly set body temperature to was 98.6°F and it was later recalibrated to 98°.  This contradicts the Fahrenheit article which says it started at 96° and was later recalibrated to 98.6°. Sluggoster (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is the biography of the person, subject to ongoing edit wars about the political status and names of towns. Regarding any scientific issue, I guess the article Fahrenheit is far more reliable. Oh, never mind, I've seen that the highly relevant claim "Poland" was added there, too, no matter that his life after 1717 took place in the Netherlands, something which does not need to be mentioned of course. -- Matthead  Discuß   14:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 96° is correct; 98.6° is merely the Fahrenheit translation of 37° Celsius, and has become popular due to its delusions of precision. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, still wrong.  The size of a degree changed to make boiling point a nice round 180.  See contemporary meterial cited at http://www.sizes.com:80/units/temperature_Fahrenheit.htm. So I've replaced that section to avoid a pointless debate that is based on misunderstandings. --Red King (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body temperature 

message: Did he have British citizenship ?
--Molobo (talk) 22:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did he have British citizenship ? 

message: NO, he did not have British citizenship. Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was born in Danzig, Prussia and had  Danzig/Prussian citizenship Jus Indigenatus Prussiae (Prussian citizenship held in common in both parts, western and eastern, (West and East) Prussia. Perhaps he also had Amsterdam or Den Hague, Netherland citizenship, since he lived there for many years. He never had Polish citizenship, nor was he born in Poland, an error often repeated. He also did not hold British citizenship. An Observer 15.6.2008
-----  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.68.253 (talk) 17:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Danzig was at the time of Fahrenheit's birth part of Poland, and thus he was born in Poland. Whether he was a Polish citizen thus depends on whether at the time Poland followed jus soli or jus sanguinis.  Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit citizenship? 

message: From the article.--Molobo (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately there is an edit war about whether Danzig was in Prussia or is in Poland.  Both are true!  But at the time he lived there, it was Prussia. --Red King (talk) 22:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe again it was Poland?  This map seems to suggest that at the time it was in the Polish Kingdom?  Expert needed! --Red King (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in Poland, Prussia would gain it years later.--Molobo (talk) 23:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship and place of birth is constantly removed 

message: Fahrenheit was born in 1686 in Gdańsk (Danzig) in the Kingdom of Poland[4][5] The Fahrenheits were a merchant family who had moved around Europe, Fahrenheit's great-grandfather had lived in Rostock, and research suggests that the Fahrenheit family originated in Hildesheim.[6] 
Daniel's grandfather, Reinhold Friedrich Fahrenheit (1703-1781), moved from Kneiphof (in Königsberg) to Danzig and settled there as a merchant in 1650. By widespread trading, he became the richest man in eastern Prussia.[7] His son, Daniel Fahrenheit (the father of the subject of this article), married Concordia (widowed name, Runge), daughter of the well-known Danzig business family of Schumann. Daniel Gabriel was the eldest of the five Fahrenheit children (two sons, three daughters) who survived childhood. 
Maps with Danzig Pomerelia in Prussia 1100s Holy Roman Empire to the 1600s during time of Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit
*1200s Pomerania, Danzig Pomerelia, Holy Roman Empire
*Danzig Pautzke at Pautzker Wiek in 1600s   
*Danzig Pautzke, Prussia, ca. 1600
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.192.221 (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danzig ('in Poland Prussia would gain it years later') is just as true as Wikipedia's '' Daniel's grandfather 1703-1781 moved to Danzig in 1650'' 

message: The adsurdity about Fahrenheit's grandfather having lived in the 18th century and having moved from Koenigsberg to Danzig in 1650 was corrected September 1 . 
It was several times reentered incorrectly 
until finally Pumeks corrected this one mistake 
on October 10.
An Observer (71.137.197.97 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absurdity at Wikipedia about Fahrenheit's grandfather 

message: Once again, like so many times, Wikipedia User:Molobo claimed A FALSE CLAIM. Molobo claims, that Professor Andrzej Staruszkiewicz stated, that Fahrenheit was Polish  (Polish).
The article by Prof. Staruszkiewicz however, says that it is debatable, not that it is a fact, as Wikipedia's User Molobo and others  claim. Perhaps the professor thinks, it is debatable, because he is not that familiar with history and therefore does not know, that people in Danzig, Prussia had Prussian Jus Indigenatus, Prussian citizenship.
Here is the link to the article, the phrase and translation:
http://www.ptf.agh.edu.pl/SN/staruszkiewicz_A.pdf  Professor’s own article and translation:
Str. 223. Na tej stronie jest 7 notek biograficznych, w których doliczyłem się dwu błędów, jednej informacji
kontrowersyjnej i jednej niekonsekwencji. Błędy to imię Celsiusa i nazwisko Hooke’a. Kontrowersyjne jest
określenie Fahrenheita jako fizyka niemieckiego. Przyjmując godność członka Royal Society Fahrenheit
podpisał się jako Gabriel Fahrenheit, Polonus bo jako gdańszczanin uważał się za obywatela Rzeczypospolitej.
Warto by pamiętać o tym w polskich podręcznikach. 
Translation (poltrans):
Str. 223. It is on this part 7 biographical notes, I has been added in (to) which (who) two errors, one argumentative information and one inconsistency. Errors this name Celsiusa and surname hooke. Determination is argumentative as german physicist (physics) Fahrenheita. Has subscribed as gabriel of fahrenheit dignity of member (limb) accepting (catch on) fahrenheit Royal Society, typical pole of past centuries because as inhabitant of gdansk was thought (was considered) for citizen of polish republic. It is proper to remember about in polish textbooks it. 
An Observer  (71.137.202.100 (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Already in an earlier entry May 30, 2008 13:45 by Wikipedia User:Molobo http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Gabriel_Fahrenheit&diff=215964092&oldid=215962198 
claims, that Fahrenheit signed himself POLONUS in the Royal Geographic Society. Molobo gives as reference Prof. A. Starucskiewicz, who as shown above 'does  n o t state, that Fahrenheit signed himself Polonus in the Geogr. Society, contrary to what Molobo through Wikipedia tries to make the public believe. An Observer (71.137.200.98 (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Another Person made another false claim giving the same A.Staruszkiewicz as reference. An Observer (71.137.200.98 (talk) 19:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  and again absurdity about Fahrenheit's grandfather, who moved in 1650 and "lived from 1703-1781 and was the richest man in eastern Prussia" (71.137.200.98 (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Latest A. Staruszkiewicz " false proof" re-inserted by Astrochemist (71.137.200.98 (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FALSE CLAIM "Reference" by Molobo (and company) concerning Fahrenheit - removed 

message: Regarding the previous comment from IP 71.137.200.98, the burden of proof when either adding new material or restoring old material to a Wikipedia article is on the Editor who makes such changes.  See this page, and also the text box therein, for Wikipedia's stand on verifiability. Since my reading knowledge of Polish is very limited, I am removing the Polish-language portion of the article which my reversion restored. I can't vouch for that article's claims, and I can't tell if the article cited has undergone peer review by independent experts.  - Astrochemist (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My mistake 

message: Is "German" an ethnicity?  I don't know.  Wikipedia has an ethnic groups page at this location.  Is there an authoritative answer? - Astrochemist (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: # Since this is the English-language version of Wikipedia then the references, citations, etc. should be in English.  
# Compromise is needed for all committee and team efforts, so my suggestion is that Editors compromise on, or remove, details of Fahrenheit's birthplace and devote the time gained to writing about that for which Fahenrenheit is remembered.  The only reason Fahrenheit gets a Wikipedia article is because of his scientific work.  His eligibility is independent of whether he was born in Poland, Prussia, or anywhere else for that matter.  
I don't intend to be a regular contributor to this page, so best wishes with its editing. Astrochemist (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two suggestions 

message: Is there anything easier than checking the source in question?
AuthorizedFormsOfName 	Fahrenheit; Daniel Gabriel (1686 - 1736)
Surname 	Fahrenheit
Forenames 	Daniel Gabriel
DatesOfExistence 1686 - 1736
Nationality 	Polish
DatesAndPlaces 	
Birth: Danzig (Gdansk), Poland (14 or 24 May 1686)
Death: The Hague, Netherlands (16 September 1736)
http://royalsociety.org/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Persons&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=((text)=%27fahrenheit%27) SS. ;-)--85.222.86.59 (talk) 09:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Royal Society 

message: Danzig in Prussia (Imperial Cities list: Dantiscum in Borussia), Danzig Imperial City  
Google Search Book Results:: Fahrenheit  Gdansk Poland by 1950 virtually unknown
only a tiny handful by 2008
*Fahrenheit Gdansk All languages by 1950 = Result: 5 books total  (3 of those by Szymon Askenazy: Book title: Dantzig and Poland)	
*All languages: Fahrenheit Gdansk, Poland by 1990 majority : now Gdansk Poland  (63 books
* All languages: Fahrenheit Gdansk Poland by 2008 very few, majority: now Gdansk Poland  Result 110 books
*All languages: Fahrenheit Gdansk majority: now Gdansk- by 2008 Result 110 books
*All languages Fahrenheit Danzig Result: 605 books
 
An Observer (71.137.198.58 (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: to 85.222.86.59, you made an odd list above. On the first book from 1848 you only wrote part of what it actually states, you 'forgot' to write the country Prussia : Fahrenheit, born in Polish Prussia 1686. Name of the country is Prussia (specific the Polish connected part, the western Prussia part) not that Fahrenheit was born in Poland or that he was Polish.
Your next samples, the books do not show a country at all, all that shows is your Polish search engine Wuszukaj ksiazki. (71.137.205.166 (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts about Danzig in Prussia 

message: Hi =]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.43.50 (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: I changed Gabriel Daniel to Daniel Gabriel at one point in the article to match the title and some sources. Is this definitely Fahrenheit's name or could both be accepted under different circumstances? Some sources say Gabriel Daniel and I am not sure.162.83.59.138 (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daniel Gabriel 

message: Near the end of the article is a picture with this caption: "Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was buried in the Kloosterkerk in The Hague."  Is that picture part of a memorial at Fahrenheit's gravesite in Holland? The caption doesn't say so explcitly, although the Wikimedia Commons description is suggestive.  Can a more-specific caption be added? - Astrochemist (talk) 18:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about a picture