Talk:Stephen Colbert 2008 presidential campaign

message: I'm not actually sure how much of the hype was from fans and how much was just engineered publicity, but for now I put the fan site that says "we did it" as a citation. Ombudstheman 19:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: hype

message: Until there is definitive and verfiable proof that Colbert the person, and not the character is running for president then all links should go to his character sub-page.  I like him, and think the whole story is funny as hell, but it is simply nothing more than an elaborate joke.  I suggest we refrain from feeding it here.  Arzel 02:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, it does seem to be the character more than the person running. I do not expect that will change, either. It is, however, somewhat difficult to separate the two as it is definitely the person who will have to file the paperwork and who will be responsible for any breaches in campaign law. That said, I agree that the link should be to the character. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 02:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed with Arzel, though I suspect that he will eventually end up on at least one ballot in SC (or make a serious attempt to anyway).  In any event, I *highly* doubt he will ever step out of character in the context of his campaign.  If he does, then the link can possibly change. · jersyko talk 02:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  I think the whole storyline is hilarious, but it can't be taken seriously.  Unless by some unforeseen twist Stephen actually comes out of character and says he's running seriously, the page should link to Stephen Colbert (character). Shoemoney2night 02:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think he will even make it onto the SC ballot (other than as a write-in candidate).  The FEC doesn't/won't find this nearly as hillarious as the rest of us.  There appears to be ample evidence that he would have to quit his show if he indeed does formally apply for candadicy.  Arzel 02:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, he doesn't have to quit his show.  The "equal time" regulations only apply to broadcast television, not cable tv.Cylonian 22:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this article, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6450_Page2.html it may not be as simple as that.  Arzel 05:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I do see where you're coming from - even though "Stephen Colbert" is the one running for President, it's still (potentially) Stephen Colbert's name on the ticket.  Even so, I think, as an in-character stunt, this should definitely link to the character.  People are taking this seriously, but even the petition can be equated to jokes like the Hungarian bridge-naming contest (albeit on a much larger scale).  Shoemoney2night 03:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This is not needed on Wikipedia, just a gimmick, also do you see "Herbert Hoover Presidential Campaign 1928?" No.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.13.103 (talk) 00:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of our time. If an article such as this is considered irrelevant in years to come, it will be deleted, or merged into another article. Currently, it is considered worthy of its own article. Many things come and go like this - what is important today will be looked back on as unimportant by history. mattbuck 10:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, if someone cared to create the article Herbert Hoover Presidential Campaign, 1928 it would be very useful for those wishing to study that part of history, right? Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 12:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen the Character

message: (I'm not sure where to post this. I apologize if this isn't correct either.)
Hello Mattbuck,
How do I message you back? Is this correct? 
Why is the following spam? Does it need to be formatted differently? 
* 1,000,000 Strong For Stephen T Colbert—A FaceBook Group of more than half a million supporters (570,770 members as of 10/23/2007 5:48pm Eastern).
An election is a "popular" issue (in the "of the people" sense of the word). This link demonstrates the magnitude of Colbert's popularity in a meaningful way. It's an example and a participatory access point. The above group grows my the hundreds and thousands as I type this (literally, it's at 576,132 members as of 6:14pm Eastern) and is among the fastest growing groups on the second largest social network in the world, FaceBook. 
Unless I've missed some technicality, I believe the link is appropriate and relevant. Please explain to me what I am missing. 
Thank you for protecting Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasGHenry (talk • contribs) 22:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hardly a good indicator, though. How many of those people are not of legal age to vote? How many aren't even American? Half a million isn't even worth talking about in regards to a country with a population of 300 million. Half a million is what, a twentieth the population of New York? That's like... not even half of the Bronx. Now, if you could show support for Colbert in the 30+ age bracket, I'd be impressed. Facebook is mostly teenagers and 20-somethings. I know; I'm one of them. Howa0082 22:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone in the 30+ age bracket, I'd like to add that I'm not only on Facebook (and easy to find if you're interested), I'm also in this particular group. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was aiming for 40+, not 30+. Regardless, I want to see old rich white men putting their support behind Colbert. Dave Lesar, I'm looking at YOU. Howa0082 01:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a member, I'm not even American. However, the link fails under WP:EL, so... sorry. mattbuck 07:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, it has already passed the 1,000,000 mark—faster than any other group on Facebook ever has. If not already notable, I believe this will become notable by Monday. (I'm assuming Colbert will mention it on his show.) Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 13:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a line or two about the group, but linking to it fails WP:EL. The group itself is notable since it's been mentioned in several media (see citations). mattbuck 14:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added a section and given both the New York Times and BBC News as references.  I do believe it's significant, as it also sets a record for the fastest growing Facebook group in history. Whisperwolf 01:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see how this fails the external link policy, as this is like any other links to references that have barriers to entry (ie Jane's Defense Weekly, Stratfor, etc).  Just make sure to link to it as an incline citation not in a list at the end. Joshdboz 22:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1,000,000 Colbert Supporters group on FaceBook

message: If someone wanted to integrate this new polling data into the main article, that would be great (and yes I know I could add it, but I haven't the time to do it properly).--152.2.62.27 18:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty funny. Colbert could supposedly do as well or better than Ross Perot without a single infomercial. Unless you count his show, of course. Ombudstheman 21:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Polling data

message: The first sentence has 17, the rest of the article 16. You know, that's kind of an important detail. Brianrein 02:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected the first instance to 16, as its supporting cite would suggest. You can understand the confusion, though, what with the timing so close to midnight EST. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: October 16 or 17?

message: In the article John Edwards is listed as a native of South Carolina, however Edwards is a native of NORTH Carolina.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.168.202 (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: John Edwards was born in South Carolina, although he represents North Carolina. (Therefore, he is a native of South Carolina.) Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 16:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Edwards

message: This article needs a lot of cleanup because there are passages in future or present tense which now need to be changed to past tense.  Note I am not saying the campaign is necessarily over, but phrases like "Colbert is seeking to be listed on the South Carolina Democratic Party ballot" are clearly false now.  I did a bunch of cleanup already, but unfortunately my company thinks everyone should be certified for Six Sigma and I have to go take an oral exam in a few minutes.  Wish me luck!  In any case, this article needs some major overhaul and rewrite.  Please, be bold, folks. --Jaysweet 16:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I remember him saying on his show that FEC rules would not kick in unless he spent over $5,000.  I've added that info to the part in the top, but perhaps it should be moved to the legality section and properly sourced. Cylonian 01:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: $5,000

message: For some reason, there were multiple Wikinews boxes with identical stories linked to in them. I removed them.--Jedravent (talk) 04:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikinews

message: is he ruuning 4 president yes or no --124.150.2.81 (talk) 00:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: no Geuiwogbil (Talk) 18:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: is he

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thread_title: GA Review

message: Just a question, but since when did Colbert have a campaign logo? And if he ever did, since when has it been this? -mattbuck (Talk) 08:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:Colbert Campaign.svg]]

message: look at this video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qi6aQtxpIc
so it seems stephen is still on the ballot, and whats weirder it is in 12 states, but i know he will have to be on all states to atttually run
so he did make the deadline any thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.218.6.111 (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: colbert still on ballot for 12 states

message: shouldn't there be a section for Marvel Comics' take on this? Afterall, the comic version won the election.  . Here's the Marvel Comics Colbert 08 website:  76.66.193.170 (talk) 06:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * Actually, he only won the popular vote in their universe; he lost the Electoral vote.  DP76764 (Talk) 18:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marvel Comics

message: Colbert only ran for a couple weeks, yet his campaign article is longer than John Edwards's! This is just silly. See Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Encyclopedic. And this should be made more concise or other more important campaign articles should be expanded. To someone unfamiliar with American politics Colbert's campaign might seen bigger than those of others like Edwards at first.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.198.211.245 (talk) 23:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long 

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