Talk:James MacMillan

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 04:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: May I move this article to James MacMillan (composer)?  I suggest it because "musician" is somewhat ambiguous, and while he is a fine conductor I think he is most notable as a composer.  Also, I've just read WP:MUSTARD#Disambiguation.  All those against speak now!  I'll leave this message here for a few days to allow any objections to be raised, then I'll sort it out.  --RobertG ♬ talk 13:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done!  Thank you.  --RobertG ♬ talk 15:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: I have no objection to Wikipedia documenting MacMillan's perceptions of attitudes to Israel.  But I have two reservations about this way of doing it.  Firstly, it gives them undue weight - James MacMillan is a classical composer, not a populist figure nor a statesman.  And secondly, if an editor is truly writing from a neutral point of view, it should be impossible to tell from that person's edits what their viewpoint is.  I think it is possible to discern 129.215.24.119's sympathies.  This worries me somewhat, particularly on a WP:BLP.  --RobertG ♬ talk 10:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV concerns 

message: (i) User:GuillaumeTell has mentioned that this page could (should?) be simply titled James MacMillan - after all that page is merely a redirect to here. I see his point. Any thoughts? almost-instinct 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  (i) Name (ii) Clemency 

message: I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: MacMillan's biography mentions "his early work with Peter Maxwell Davies," but Maxwell Davies is not mentioned in the current version of this article. Can information about this be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work with [[Peter Maxwell Davies]] 

message: Any thoughts on ? I reverted and WBritten has reverted my revert, citing MOS:BIO. The relevant section there says "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability" (my emphasis). I'd maintain that MacMillan's Catholicism (or at least his religiosity) is notable, as it is a significant influence on his music. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well he does appear at List of Catholic musicians. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides priests, nuns, etc., none of the composers listed there have their religion mentioned in the lead. Macmillan's Catholicism is relevant, of course, and dealt with in the appropriate section of the article. A sentence mentioning it in the introduction, after the lead, is also an option. WBritten (talk) 14:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh?? Are you sure about that? Which section(s) were you looking at? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, by lead I mean the very first sentence of the article. WBritten (talk) 14:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks. And you exclude all priests, nuns etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I exclude them because in e.g. "Italian Augustinian friar" or "German Catholic bishop" the religious denominations are part of the profession and not the nationality, unlike in "Catholic Scottish composer" or "Scottish Catholic composer".  A "Catholic composer" is a composer who happens to be a Catholic, not a fundamentally different profession from that of composer alone. There are, however, significant distinctions in the duties and behaviors of priests and nuns from different orders and denominations. James MacMillan is neither ordained nor a lay priest, so his faith should be mentioned after the lead. WBritten (talk) 14:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholicism in lede?