Talk:Flying Spaghetti Monster/Archive 5

message: An article about a self-published book may use that self-published book as a source.
*Suppose a self-published book, gains great notoriety in the press.  Many articles are written about it.  It would be acceptable to use that book as a source because the WP article would be about that book.  Example Mein_Kampf
::As an adjunct to this it is important to note that Hitler's self-published musings on his notable book would not be an acceptable reference.
An article about a self-published website may use references from that website.
*Suppose a self-published website, gains great notoriety in the press.  Many articles are written about it.  It would be acceptable to use that website as a source because the WP article would be about that website.  Example Yahoo
An article about a person may use references from that person.
*Suppose a person gains notoriety in the press.  Many articles are written about him/her.  It would be acceptable to use that person's self-published works as a source because the WP article would be about that person.  Example Bill_gates
However,
*Suppose that same person uses a parody religion and many articles are written about it.  It would be unacceptable to use that person's self-published website as a source because the WP article would be about that parody religion and not the person or the website.  Example Flying_Spaghetti_Monster.
::Henderson's self-published musings on the notable parody religion he started do not pass WP:ATT. 
MikeURL 23:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitler's self-published thoughts would be appropriate as a reference on Adolph_Hitler but not Mein_Kampf.  There is a real distinction between the two and there should be.  I don't think this is a silly point but I'll abide by the consensus of the RfC.  I am, in fact, rather curious to see what the comments will be.MikeURL 17:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: self-published sources (examples)

message: This dispute is about whether venganza.org can be used as a Reliable Source to describe the Flying Spaghetti Monster and other items related to the parody religion.00:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Comment: venganza.org

message: I removed the following part from the main page, section "History and Developments":
In March, 2007, student Bryan Killian of Weaverville, North Carolina's Buncombe High School was suspended from school for wearing an eyepatch in class as part of his stated religious beliefs. 
The part doesn't really seem to fit in, at least not in this form and in this place (Killian apparently claimed that he was a follower of FSM, that wearing an eye patch was part of his belief, and that his personal religious freedom was being curtailed by not being allowed to wear that patch -- But this is not really part of the development of FSM). It might fit into a separate section like "FSM followers". I'm personally not convinced that such a section would be important for this article, but if someone feels up for it, please go ahead. -- Semper discipulus 16:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is something that (made the news) then I don't see why it wouldn't be worthy of a one or two line entry. If it became its own spin-off article I would vote to delete on an AfD but we aren't there yet (of course, if it made it to a few higher courts, that would be a different case). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sweet.  Chalk up another third-party, impartial source which describes FSMism as a "parody religion".  Thanks for the link, Semper!  I'll add it to the Sources describing FSM as Parody section immediately.  Oops, looks like one can't edit the archive.  I'll restore it here, then.  Kasreyn 22:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The story of FSM follower Bryan Killian 

message: Subgenius and Discordia, both have the word parody in the intros. see :Category:Joke religions for more examples. I think Discordia does it best by having a seperate sentence saying it is "widely regarded" as a parody. We all appreciate a good joke but an encyclopedia is not the place to play the joke. I think the language on parody should be nearly identical to the discordia article. -- Diletante 22:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discriptions of Subgenius and Discordia are even worse as many books on the practice of these faiths have been writen. Just because we don't drink the blood of a jew whose been dead 2000 years or blow people up does not mean we don't have rights. Hypnosadist 01:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hypnosadist, please take your garbage somewhere else. Shoehorn 06:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NO Hypnosadist 06:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Its very simple, find some decent sources for your insult of other peoples faith.Hypnosadist 06:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I were to attempt an inclusion that The great prophet Zarquon was a true prophet and formed the basis of a true religion because I really believe, truly and honestly that he is, and found it an affront to have others state he's not real and was just made up by some guy I hope someone would have the good sense to block my ass to Ursa Minor Beta and back again.--Alf melmac 23:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could not possibly have been more well-said.  Kasreyn 03:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  We have reliable sources. Wikipedia cares about verifiability, not truth. JoshuaZ 03:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  precedent in other (parody) religion articles