Talk:Thomas C. Hindman

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:Fair representation without bias: 
#It is stable.
#:No edit wars etc.: 
#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b (enough images: lack of images does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:Pass/Fail: 
An excellent article, with quite frankly the best and most thorough family background I've ever seen in an article! I have just a few small concerns before I can promote this article to GA status. 
#Is there any dating information for the picture used in the infobox? If so, it should be added to the caption (ie. Thomas C. Hindman in 1848 or Thomas C. Hindman at age 35 etc.)
#:According to the Library_of_Congress, the picture was taken between 1861 and 1865. I have added that to the image caption in the infobox. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything looks great now and I will be passing the article into GA status. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 15:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: Just so I am clear, in the 8 hours between the shots being fired and his death, he gave a speech on his porch while bleeding to death?  Can this be made clearer?  Thanks. 71.90.27.200 (talk) 23:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farewell Speech 

message: Does his last name have a long or a short i? Q·L·1968 ☿ 00:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: : Between eBay, the local library, and a couple used bookstores I have been able to pull together the sources I would need.  I intend to start working soon with an eye to rescuing. Hog Farm  Talk 20:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have added some tags; not to deface, but to point out where I need to make improvements. Hog Farm  Talk 20:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

text: I've also taken some liberty in trimming what I view is excessive genealogical content.  It just doesn't seem relevant to the article to go into great depths on the history of his parents. Hog Farm  Talk 21:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Switching to sfn is fine with me; I'm not an active editor of the article.  I think it's only on my watchlist because I added the short description. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 21:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm mainly just nervous that I'll get myself in trouble by nuking much of a FA - this one's rather poorly sourced in places, is too thin in some, and falls off-topic badly in others.  Ideally I can avoid FAR without getting in trouble for completing re-writing an older FA. Hog Farm  Talk 22:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well done on getting the sources together. I recommend moving to sfn if you are rewriting it significantly, otherwise you are just making extra work for yourself with tags. Basic info about his parents is fair enough. Good luck with it, if you would like a fresh set of eyes after you're done, let me know. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 22:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm becoming quite a bit concerned that the early sections of this article are going to have to lean very heavily on Neal.  I'm not finding many other sources that detail Hindman's early life in any appreciable detail, and this is a master's thesis that I don't think meets WP:SCHOLARSHIP since it doesn't even seem to be cited by Neal.  The two ostensibly web RS I can find contain errors - his Congress Bioguide claims he moved to Arkansas in 1853 which is clearly wrong and opposed by both Neal and Shea on that matter, and his Encyclopedia of Arkansas entry claims his Mexican-American War service began in 1845, which is interesting as the war didn't even begin until 1846.  The Encyclopedia of Arkansas also claims that he didn't move to Arkansas until 1856, which is directly against Shea and Neal (who say 1854) and is contradicted by Peter Cozzens's This Terrible Sound and William Garrett Piston's We Gave Them Thunder, which both mention Hindman already being in Arkansas by 1855.  I'd normally consider E of A to be RS, but this particular entry just seems problematic. I don't think there's any way around a heavy usage of Neal for the early stuff, as the journal articles I've turned up so far seem to be heavy on the 1862 Arkansas stuff and light on the pre-war except for the gunfight he and Cleburne got into together. Hog Farm  Talk 05:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Got ahold of Woods; it has an entire chapter devoted to Hindman so it's a good thing I checked. Hog Farm  Talk 00:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   - I do believe I'm mostly done here, if you'd be willing to take a look at it (warning: it's now 47kb in prose length).  There were a number of spots with insufficient detail, a couple instances of excess fluff, a few glaring omissions, and some things that were just wrong.  I find it a bit shameful that it was considered featured in its prior state. Hog Farm  Talk 23:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  if you give this the MilHist solid once over, I can be the layperson review after my son's wedding festivities subside, would most appreciate your work before mine :) SandyGeorgia (Talk)  01:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  FWIW, I've not used The Shipwreck of Their Hopes as the reference to Chattanooga previously seems to have been wrong. Hog Farm  Talk 20:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very happy to have a close look over the next couple of days (isolating as a close covid contact...). I'll tweak myself where I'm confident to, and put my comments in a separate thread. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 23:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: HF notes

message: I primarily intend to be using Neal as the main bio source, supported by Warner and Symonds in places. (the print copy I got ahold of lists Kremm as a co-author)  Moodey is a primary source that I intend to replace, and I anticipate replacing Nash as well because I'm not sold on that being particularly high-quality.  Dougan can support Neal for the Arkansas Family stuff, and Shea and a few journal articles not yet used will be the backbone for the 1862 Arkansas material.  For Chickamauga and Chattanooga, I plan on using Peter Cozzens's This Terrible Sound and The Shipwreck of Their Hopes, and for Atlanta, Albert E. Castel's Decision in the West.  The postwar material will probably have to lean heavily on Neal with a light touch of Warner. I currently don't have copies of Woods 1987 or Mark Christ's Rugged and Sublime.  I think I can manage without either, but have several ways to get ahold of either if anyone deems it necessary to include either.  Any thoughts?  I know the article is leaning in Neal pretty heavily even in some of the rewritten places, but I don't think it's entirely avoidable, as noted above, because there's only one usable dedicated biography of Hindman. Hog Farm  Talk 19:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Got ahold of Woods; it has an entire chapter devoted to Hindman so it's a good thing I checked. Hog Farm  Talk 00:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   - I do believe I'm mostly done here, if you'd be willing to take a look at it (warning: it's now 47kb in prose length).  There were a number of spots with insufficient detail, a couple instances of excess fluff, a few glaring omissions, and some things that were just wrong.  I find it a bit shameful that it was considered featured in its prior state. Hog Farm  Talk 23:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  if you give this the MilHist solid once over, I can be the layperson review after my son's wedding festivities subside, would most appreciate your work before mine :) SandyGeorgia (Talk)  01:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  FWIW, I've not used The Shipwreck of Their Hopes as the reference to Chattanooga previously seems to have been wrong. Hog Farm  Talk 20:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very happy to have a close look over the next couple of days (isolating as a close covid contact...). I'll tweak myself where I'm confident to, and put my comments in a separate thread. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 23:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources to use

message: Hog Farm requested that I look over this article. My comments follow. Some are error fixes and others are only suggestions. Djmaschek (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I promise to look in after the wedding, or sooner if I get any free time ... which is highly doubtful.  Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk)  01:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested re-review

message: Apologies for very piecemeal comments from iPad/car/hotspot editing.
*  Because this is the start of a new section, the year should be supplied.  There are other sections that start with dates without year ... SandyGeorgia (Talk)  15:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could ask Z1720 to look at prose? SandyGeorgia (Talk)  21:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sandy, I don't really remember where we were on this.  I will note that Neal/Kremm and Symonds are back at the library.  I can borrow another copy of Symonds from someone I know, but I don't know if the university library where I got Neal/Kremm is open over the summer.  Hopefully there's no major issues. Hog Farm  Talk 21:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  PS - I don't have a print copy of Woods either, but IIRC I was able to ebook that from a library so I don't think re-accessing that one will be an issue. Hog Farm  Talk 21:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  SG comments 

message: G'day, here are my thoughts as I go:
*is the 2nd Mississippi likely to be notable?
** I don't think so, unless there's a journal article I haven't seen. Hog Farm  Talk 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  PM comments