Talk:The Merry Widow

message: Pigsonthewing attached a clean-up message to this article on 1 November, 2005, without explaining what he thought needed to be cleaned up.  Since I see nothing wrong with the article, I have removed the clean-up message.  If Pigsonthewing (or anybody else) decides to reattach a clean-up message in future, then the least that they should do is to write to the Talk page to explain why they feel that the article needs to be cleaned up. Figaro 10:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Pigsonthewing has re-tagged the article for clean-up, still without bothering to justify himself.  If there is no justification given in the next 24 hours, then I will remove the tag again.  Any further such tagging without explanation can only be seen as malicious. Figaro 10:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Any further such tagging without explanation can only be seen as malicious: That's utterly ridiculous. Note the commented out pidgeon-English translation; improper capitalisation; lack of linking; poor punctuation Andy Mabbett 10:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So what.  You still haven't specified what is wrong with what is still visible. Figaro 10:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try re-reading the above - and being less hostile. Andy Mabbett 11:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then delete the commented out bit, and remove the tag. Figaro 11:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try re-reading the above. Andy Mabbett 11:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks as though Nunh-huh has done it for you.  I have to presume that you are too stubborn to able to recognize that your tagging the article with the clean-up was always the wrong thing to do, and that your judgement was mistaken throughout. Figaro 12:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is you who is parading your stubborness and mistaken judgement. Try re-reading the above - and being less hostile. Andy Mabbett 12:12, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up message 

message: In the Glocken name column, I would have thought that the Baron's wife could still be indentified as Valencienne, and the widow's swain could be identified as Count Danilo (or Count Danilo Danilovotsch).  Am I mistaken in this assumption?  Figaro 12:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, works for me. - Nunh-huh 13:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Figaro 13:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table question 

message: It's been entered as evidence on POTWs Request for Arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing/Evidence. Please let me know if any more problems arise. Karmafist 19:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the Edit War

message: I daresay neither of you (Figaro & Pigsonthewing) are entirely satisfied with the current version (here or on the ballet version). Unfortunately, I can't think of any ways to reword some of these items that keep getting edited back and forth... and I'm not sure the changes I made so far really resolve the issues behind them.
Figaro, as I understand it Pigsonthewing's issues are primarily matters of textual style and detail. So, where you want to spell out 'The Merry Widow BALLET' to specify that as its proper name his objection (if I understand correctly) is not with how the name is presented, but with repetition of this phrase especially in close proximity to other occurences. Finding ways to space repetitions out or use other terms when referring to the same thing in close proximity should close alot of his objections.
Pigsonthewing, I'm going to make a change on the external links section... but I'm not sure if it will address your concern. I don't know if you are trying to reduce space taken up, avoid repetition of the site name, or something else. Thus, the change I'm going to make may resolve your issue (while keeping both links as I believe is Figaro's goal) or not.
I KNOW it's practically insane to try to start talking this out at THIS stage of events (and I can't stand discussion pages), but I don't see another solution. If I may suggest... if both of you list the reasons why you want to change various things we may be able to find ways to do things that both of you can live with.
To start with... what's the deal on the external link? Figaro, why do you prefer "Josef Weinberger: Die Lustige Witwe - (The Merry Widow)" and Pigsonthewing why "Josef Weinberger: Die Lustige Witwe Centenary". I have no idea if there is any way to resolve that dispute because I don't understand the goal on either side. Same for any other issues which you don't like about the current version. Issues on the page(s)... not the other editors. :] --CBDunkerson 11:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. There is no need to link to two pages of the cited reference; the first already links to the second; it's one article not two; and we don't link to part 3. Furthermore, "part 1" (et al) is not meaningful link text. As to the Weinberger link, the site commemorates the Centenary; and the translation of the name is already in our article, near the top. There is no need to refer to "the Merry Widow Ballet", when it's already clear that it's a ballet, called "the Merry Widow", which is being discussed. Andy Mabbett 11:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't mind either way, regarding the references.  Figaro 12:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: My understanding is that a merry widow is also a strapless, usually black, corset.  Does this name have any historical connection to the operetta? - Smerdis of Tlön 19:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to us, it was designed for the 1952 film based on the operetta. - Nunh-huh 00:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clothing 

message: Hello, I had originally posted this question at Talk:Symphony No. 7 (Shostakovich), but I thought that it would be pertinent here as well.
The liner notes to Kurt Masur's recording of the symphony say that its third movement has a parody of "Da geh' ich zu Maxim" from The Merry Widow. I'm not familiar with either work, but perhaps there is someone who is familiar with both works and could confirm that assertion, and maybe add this to both articles. Thank you. --Kyoko 15:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  parody of theme in Shost. 7 

message: The Essgee Entertainment paragraph has recently be deleted and then restored. Here it is: 
:Essgee Entertainment staged productions of The Merry Widow in capital cities around Australia during 1998 and 1999.  A prologue was added featuring a narrative by Jon English and a ballet introducing the earlier romance of Anna and Danilo.  The production opened in Brisbane, with Jeffrey Black as Danilo, Helen Donaldson as "Anna", Simon Gallaher as Camille, and Susan Dunn as Valencienne.  In some performances, during the production's Brisbane run, Jason Barry-Smith appeared as Danilo.  In Melbourne in 1999, John O'May appeared as Danilo, Marina Prior as "Hanna", Gallaher as Camille and Donaldson as Valencienne. 
Is this notable? Are the singers listed notable? Is there any particular reason to write about performances in Australia, rather than say Sweden, or Spain, or Hungary? --Kleinzach 23:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello.  I added the links for you, so you can navigate easily.  I think the fact that there are so many blue links shows the notability of this production.  Essgee toured the operetta for an extended period with dozens of performances in large venues. See this for an idea of the production.  I would be in favor of adding information about other major productions, no matter where they took place, as long as the information is available.  On the other hand, we don't need to describe smaller productions.  I know that, for instance, Opera della Luna regularly does The Merry Widow, but I don't consider their productions notable enough to list here since they are done on a small scale with actors who are mostly not blue-linked.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the singers are blue-linked then clearly they are notable, at least by Wiki's standards. The Australian The Merry Widow tour was clearly a major production and therefore needs to be included here. So, also, could other productions in other countries if they also had such a notable cast in a major production. Jack1956 (talk) 07:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be a misunderstanding of what exactly I removed. My edit was triggered by  addition of random names. I  remove the paragraph as shown above. I thought the Essgee production might indeed be notable, but I thought the list of performers did not explain that or contribute to its noteworthiness, so I removed it (despite my general fondness for Jason Barry-Smith). The description of the production made interesting reading, and I regret that the reference to silhouette ballet has now . The currently shown list of performance details in Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide is dull and doesn't explain the value of this tour. Whether the performers have Wikipedia articles is neither here nor there – the only performers remembered here from this production are Jon English and Max Gillies as Zeta (who is not mentioned). I think the list of performers of that production is much better accommodated in the article on Essgee Entertainment. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

text: By all means, add back something about the ballet.  I think the names of the notable cast members is important in establishing the notability of the production.  Certainly Marina Prior is also very important.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability of [[Essgee Entertainment]]

message: Here is information about the 2005 translation of The Merry Widow by Jack Helbig and Gregg Opelka first perfomed at Light Opera Works and subsequently revived in 2015.
Chicago Tribune Review of 2005 production: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-08-22/features/0508220140_1_count-danilo-hanna-glawari-merry-widow John Von Rhein, Classical music critic, Chicago Tribune, 8/22/2005
Reviews of 2014 production:
http://chicagoclassicalreview.com/2014/12/light-opera-works-serves-up-a-stylish-and-exuberant-merry-widow/ Chicago Classical Review, Wynne Delacoma, Classical Music Critic, 12/2014
http://www.stageandcinema.com/2014/12/20/merry-widow-light-opera/ Stage and Cinema, It doesn't get any merrier than this, Larry Bommer, 12/20/2014
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-merry-widow/Event?oid=15892891 Capsule review, Albert Williams, December, 2015
http://www.aroundthetownchicago.com/theatre-reviews/the-merry-widow/ The Merry Widow, December 2014
Review of 2011 Australian Production: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/curtaincall/2011/03/13/review-the-merry-widow-athenaeum-theatre-melbourne/ REVIEW: The Merry Widow | Athenaeum Theatre, Melbourne. JASON WHITTAKER  MAR 13, 2011 
Source about third production at Concert Operetta in Philadelphia: http://www.concertoperetta.com/history.html
-- User:Jackhelbig, January 24,2016
:Given the very large number of productions of this operetta at Broadway theatres, West End theatres and major opera companies and theatres worldwide over the past century, using numerous translations by various notable people like Basil Hood and Sheldon Harnick, I think it is hard to justify adding a description of this version, which has been seen in only three brief productions and one concert, with a libretto by a less well known writer.  What do other uninvolved readers think? -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There exist indeed a large number of productions everywhere, often by big companies with well-known singers, and I would have loved to have seen the above mentioned 2011 Melbourne production with Ali McGregor. Alas, at the moment, I agree with Ssilvers' sentiment. Until Jack Helbig and Gregg Opelka gain sufficient notability and Wikipedia articles, and if their version gets performed by major companies, this article doesn't need to mention that version. It could probably be incorporated into the article on Light Opera Works. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light Opera Works Jack Helbig and Gregg Opelka Translation of The Merry Widow  

message: I have a question that isn't answered in the article, and I'm wondering if someone has the answer -- or could, at least, point me in a direction to find the answer. I'm attempting to figure out what number the "Merry Widow Waltz" would be in the score. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated. Thanks. 2601:8D:504:80C0:29F6:9E6C:9ECE:FF82 (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. It's a duet (also called also called "Lippen schweigen") between Danilo and Hanna which forms the finale of Act 1. Frankly, I think the article could do with a list of the numbers in the order in which they occur. Voceditenore (talk) 17:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much! 2601:8D:504:80C0:29F6:9E6C:9ECE:FF82 (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Voceditenore, good idea!  Here is the vocal score with the list of musical numbers: http://hz.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/0/0d/IMSLP116585-PMLP25139-Lehar_-_Die_lustige_Witwe_VSDe_UNC.pdf  Do you have time to transcribe it in a Musical numbers section?  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:55, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

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