Talk:Mary Cheney

message: It seems that there has been some major revision of this part of the article.  One reason why Mary Cheney is such a public figure (in addition to being the vice president's daughter) is the issue of her sexuality in regards to the policies of the administration for which she campaigned in the 2004 election.  As of 29 November, 2006, this part of the article only mentions that John Kerry and John Edwards mentioned her lesbianism, but that seems insignificant outside the context of the issue of homosexuality during that campaign.  The article used to reference Cheney's own admission to having mouthed "Go fuck yourself" to John Edwards when he mentioned her lesbianism, as well as the controversy surrounding the apparent incongruity of Cheney's lesbianism and the Bush/Cheney administration's attempt to forestall homosexual marriage.  I would like to see a reversion (for this section at least) to what it was on 29 August, 2006. --User: livesayd 7:23, 29 November 2006
Added the quote from Cheney regarding Mary from the same debate.  MistressI
: The section doesn't really capture the dynamic of the debate, but not having a tape of the encounter I'm probably not the right person to edit it. Vice President Cheney was clearly very angry that Senator Edwards was using Mary Cheney as a political football, and the tone of his answer clearly conveyed that. I don't know about anything he might have mouthed to Edwards, but the impression I describe was widely reported. The current article makes it sound like Cheney was genuinely appreciative. If we clarify, we'll need some strong sources to cite, though.
: Wellspring (talk) 01:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004 Presidential Campaign

message: Can anyone show me compelling evidence for the following statement in Mary Cheney's bio?  If not, I'm going to delete it because is smells of pure opinion.  --Ryan Knoll 12:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In 2000 the Cheney family had insisted that Mary was a private citizen and off-limits to the press. Even so, her presence seemed to bolster the compassionate conservative image that the Republican ticket wanted to convey to voters.  --Ryan Knoll 12:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the first sentence is accurate but I have not looked for a citation.  It could be tricky to find one on the Internet because it is old.  I think someone should track down a citation and the sentence should be left in.  The second is an opinion.  I wouldn't have a problem with its deletion. Nysus 17:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a citation.  An exact citation.  A too-exact citation, in fact.  The two sentences flagged by Ryan Knoll, along with the succeeding paragraph, were lifted almost verbatim from a Newsweek article reproduced on the MSNBC website.  I'm undecided whether to paraphrase the original or to just quote it with attribution.  While I'm thinking about that, I've added new heading here; Ryan, I hope this doesn't put your comment in a false light, but it was confusing to have it under the "From VfD" heading.  JamesMLane 17:57, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: It was the Republican National Committee, but they didn't sign their names.  If you go to http://dearmary.com/ you can see the front of the mailing that  DearMary cited in its criticism of Mary Cheney, and if you follow the link to  you can see the whole thing.  I think you raise a good point, so I've changed the reporting of DearMary's criticism of this mailing to specify whose mailing was being criticized. JamesMLane 06:22, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your wording is better.  As a side commentary note, the only relevant mention on the flier is "allowing same-sex marriage".  Not sure how supporting the definition of marriage is using anti-gay themes or gay baiting.
When the "definition of marriage" allows straight people to marry the person they are in love with and want to marry, but FORBIDS gay people from doing the same thing, how can you possibly not see this as "anti-gay"?  The argument "but we've always done it that way" doesn't mean it isn't anti-gay.  For a fuller explanation of all the ways it is anti-gay to prevent gay people from having marriage equality, see the judge's ruling in the August, 2010 decision in the case of Perry vs. Schwarzenegger.  70.126.98.155 (talk) 04:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention to Mary's Sexuality

message: Our previous text said Cheney lives in Denver.  According to this article in USA Today, Cheney lives in Conifer.  I don't think this is just a neighborhood of Denver.  Our article on Trey Parker calls it a small town.  The Conifer Chamber of Commerce website refers to "Jefferson County" government services, so I suspect that it's an unincorporated town or the like.  (The Chamber also says that Conifer is "a few miles southwest of downtown Denver".  )  I'm changing her stated residence to the red-linked Conifer.
:Conifer is roughly 40 miles southwest of downtown Denver and well into the mountains, although the commute has gotten shorter with the widening of the highway over the last 8 years.MarnetteD | Talk 02:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  JamesMLane, I am not convinced. Please supply more proof. 216.153.214.94 04:01, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncertainties about biographical information

message: RyanKnoll claimed that Mary Cheney resigned from the RUC because of the increasing public discussion over same-sex marriage. Mary resigned in early 2003, when same-sex marriage was not a major issue (the major issue at the time was sodomy laws and right to privacy -- Mary resigned because of the furor over Rick Santorum's remarks and because fundamentalists were more and more outspoken about the GOP not being harsh enough on gay rights -- this was around the same time that RNC chairman Marc Racicot was transferred after speaking to a group for gay Republicans). I also removed "pro-family" because these organizations spend little time focused on family, unless you believe that banning wills and hospital visitation rights for gay couples or putting gays in jail somehow strengthens the family. I also edited the part about Mary "flaunting" herself at her father's victory rally, unless Ryan has seen some footage of Mary and her partner making out or cuddling onstage (they weren't even standing together in the photo I saw) and this somehow did not make the evening news.
--JamesB3 12:24, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The gay marriage debate was increasing when Mary resigned in July 2003.  But you're right about the issue not being quite as high profile nationally until 4 months later.  Courts in Hawaii, Alaska and Vermont ruled that banning same-sex marriage was unconstitutional, and the Mass case was filed in 2001 and speculation about the State Supreme court decision was mounting.  Most pro-family groups beleive homosexual choices (gay sex, gay marriage, etc.) should not be equally endorsed and supported by society as hetero relationships...regardless of your particular views about the recommended influences and dynamics of family.  The "flaunting" word was the exact language used in the linked artcle.  --Ryan Knoll 17:22, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest edit inaccurate 

message: The current article says she lives in Portland, OR.  Earlier discussions indicate Conifer, CO.  The Dick Cheney article says Denver, CO.  Anyone know what is currently correct? Gwimpey 04:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denver, Conifer, Portland? 

message: The paragraph on Alan Keyes belongs in the Alan Keyes article (if anywhere). Someone issuing random unwarranted insults toward Mary Cheney is not notable in terms of any article on her 9in most cases). If no one has a good reason, I plan on removing this and cleaning up this article which is currently mostly a series of slams against her for being a homosexual, or being a homsexual and having certain opinions which others think are invalid for a homosexual to have. Also, since Mary Cheney is only a marginal public figure, I plan to edit the excessive amount of personal information available on her to be more in line with accepted norms for figures of her position and visibility. Anyone who wants to help with this, please post your availability. Frankly, I was shocked at some of the stuff on this page when I started the cleanup. Caper13 22:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea.  I've made a quick first pass, but there's still much work to be done.  I will help where I can.  --Psiphiorg 07:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph on Alan Keyes - General cleanup of Article 

message: What is Heather Poe's career, if any?
* I don't know, but the article summary box lists her as Cheney's "spouse," which she certainly is not.
209.244.42.196 05:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heather Poe

message: not sure sexuality should be in first section.  Move to personal life?? Does not state in her sisters bio that she is heterosexual. Just be consistent Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.19.249 (talk) 21:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on how important the fact is to the subject. In her case, it is a a large part of her public identity. Dovid (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

text: I tried to improve this by adding the second sentence, which is about her work in politics rather than her sexual preference.  I think that helps.  Also added sections about her political work in 2010 and 2014. 3dimen (talk) 20:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

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message: She can't be "politically conservative" since she is lesbian. Sexual deviancy is leftist thing, I suggest removing the reference to her being "politically conservative"
73.121.228.133 (talk) 03:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolute BS. According to your twisted logic, Peter Thiel and Milo Yiannopoulos are "leftists," a notion which is absolutely laughable. The whole world (except you, obviously) can see they are both gay and intrepidly conservative. The same is true of Mary Cheney. End of story. Joe Bethersonton (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't be both