Talk:Suffragette

message: If there is no more comprehensive article than this about women's gaining of the vote, then I suggest that this page be retitled "Women's Suffrage" and that references to suffragists and suffragettes be absorbed into it. It would benefit from a comprehensive timeline, the earliest historical references to women voting, countries that still do not have women's suffrage or less than full suffrage, etc.--Hugh7 (talk) 10:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already an article called Women's suffrage and one called Suffrage - this article  is specifically about the British suffragettes.  BTW, new posts should go at the end of the page. Richerman (talk) 11:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Women's Suffrage

message: i noticed that this article had been vandalised,i dare not copy and paste what was said, and so i reverted to what seemed the last good revision. i thought it would be best to tell everyone why i reverted.
sorry, i forgot to sign---Sstabeler July 4, 2005 20:11 (UTC)
You mean you can't withstand from reverting an article on accepting you can revert it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.153.163 (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: "Suffragettes carried out such minor offences as chaining themselves to railings, setting fire to the contents of mailboxes and window-smashing."
The first is a very minor offence, and the last is petty vandalism...however, the second is actually illegal in Britain and I'm sure it's not just a minor offence. This is from scotsman.com, too:
"In Britain from 1905 until 1914, the suffragettes mounted the most substantial acts of political violence that this country had ever seen. Most people will only think of the harm the women famously reported on themselves; they are often represented as gentle Edwardian ladies who hurt their own bodies as political protest, but did not transgress any other lines. Yet Christabel Pankhurst physically attacked men; Mary Leigh climbed roofs, brandishing hatchets and hurling tiles; they burned down pavilions and railway stations and threw weapons into the prime minister’s carriage. Post boxes were filled with kerosene and acid then set alight, telephone wires were cut between London and Glasgow, bombs were set off. In one six-week period, there were 43 cases of suffragette arson, including the destruction of three Scottish castles."
(from http://leisure.scotsman.com/outdoors/justphenomenal_specific.cfm?articleid=1438)
I don't know if it's really fair to say that the Suffragettes' actions were always "minor". --Dandelions 10:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second section 

message: Please note that I have removed the picture, as it is irrelevant to the title. Suffragette actually only refered to members of the Women's Social and Political Union. I am currently working on a history of female suffrage in the UK and I may chage this page further as I progress. 1955 GMT 26/09/05 Levi_allemany
:I disagree, a Suggragette would be one intending on moving towards suffrage, which is not unique to members of the Women's Social and Political Union. To this end I have reverted the picture. Mallocks 18:57, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: However the article as written *at present* provides enough support for that picture in my opinion. I will not question you on an area of relative expertise, I merely go on the information available to me at the time. Were the page as it stands more similar to the facts that you lay out, I would agree with the removal of the picture, as it stands I cannot. Mallocks 19:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: What is "garageroot"? Google turns up no hits. Amcfreely 07:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hunger strike

message: I've read through this sentence several times, and am still confused about it. Does the list describe conditions which must ALL be met, or would any one of the conditions suffice for suffrage? "Political movement towards women's suffrage began during the war and in 1918, the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed an act granting the vote to: women over the age of 30 who were householders, the wives of householders, occupiers of property with an annual rent of £5, and graduates of British universities. " Popher 21:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: There is too much history regarding women's suffrage for it all to be contained in one article. There could be a general article Womens Suffrage movement but there would have to be short sections on the movements in all the different countries.
 
Then pages on the WSPU founded in 1903 and led by Emmeline, Sylvia and Christabel Pankhurst, who later become called 'suffragettes' by the Daily Mail as this was a degoratory term and the suffragists or constitutionlists who were peaceful and led by Millicent Fawcett. Her organization was the NUWSS which was founded in 1898 and the Pankhursts belonged to this at first.
What is also necessary is pages on all the other movements which I do not know anything about.
82.35.184.195 10:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suffragists/Suffragettes and UK/US 

message: I disagree with the removal of the red links, on principle: don't red links indicate a subject that merits the creation of a new WP article, thus encouraging other users to add material to the linked page (if they know something about the subject)? They're valid contributions -- not "dead" links that need to be deleted, but links to articles that have yet to be written. Should we revert these deletions? Let me know your thoughts. --Smobri 15:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In principle, I agree; but "Uda B. Ahoe" appears to be vandalism.  There are no Google hits for it (other than Wikipedia!) and if you pronounce it phonetically it sounds like a prank.  The other two seem valid, although I am not personally familiar with them.  My argument against including red links here is because they are in a "See also" section.  This refers the reader to "see" an article that does not exist.  Seems like a dead end instead of soliciting someone to write a new article. --Jeremy Butler 23:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough! I take your point.  :-)  Best, --Smobri 13:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Removed redlinks"

message: The beginning of this article is identical to http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/suffragettes.htm page. 
I couldn't find any references or copyright notices to that url/site. Hence wasn't sure if everything was correct.
D.schorsch (talk) 20:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Copyright Infringement 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: In the article is written: "1912 was a turning point for the Suffragettes in the UK as they turned to using more militant tactics such as chaining themselves to railings, [...] This was because the current Prime Minister at the time, Asquith, nearly signed a document giving women [...] the right to vote. But he pulled out at the last minute, as he thought the women may vote against him in the next General Election".
Is it meant the 1918 general election? And way he thought that the women would vote against him? Does anyone know more detailed information? Thanks in advance! --Dia^ (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Election 

message: Why has Angelina Grimké's name been omitted from the USA list?
Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 02:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if omitted or overlooked, I've added her name in now.Jonpatterns (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added a bunch of names to the list. I hope this is okay. When i went to the page today there was only Anthony and Stanton. --Frederika Eilers (talk) 14:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grimké 

message: why is that man included in a list of suffragettes?
Frederick Douglass should be removed. He was an important figure in the movement mainly for his controversy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.172.151 (talk) 18:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  If a man claims women have husbands to vote for them 

message: The Women's Rights movement, including the Suffragettes, were not a part of the Feminist ideology.
As feminists are a more malicious entity in modern days than they were before, they frequently like to claim that they were responsible for women's suffrage.
Feminism is to be treated as a third party and the Feminism sidebar and categories have no place here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeissAllen (talk • contribs) 
:The women's suffrage movement is widely described as feminist by reliable sources. Here's one example: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3174664 —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See first-wave feminism William Avery (talk) 15:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WeissAllen appears to be unfamiliar with the RS that cover the topic. It's perhaps a matter of his POV re 2016 issues.  Rjensen (talk) 15:54, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Feminism vs. Women's Rights

message: This statement “British suffragettes were mostly women from upper- and middle-class backgrounds, frustrated by their social and economic situation.” is factually incorrect and not backed up by any references. Long before the 2015 film "Suffragette" serious women's historians in Britain (and of course not to mention Sylvia Pankhurst herself") were documenting working women's involvement n the movement - see notably "One Hand Tied Behind Us“, Jill Liddington and jill Norris, Virago, London 1978. Making a distinction between the WSPU and other suffrage socieites on the use of the term suffragettes is pointless here, the East End Federarion of Sylvia Pankhurst started off as a WSPU branch. it's just an incorrect and unfortnately widespread misconception. PhilomenaO'M (talk) 19:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Who fought for women's right to vote in Britain?

message: There are two hatnotes at the top of this article - one says that it is about women's suffrage in Great Britain and the other one says 'For the U.S. womens suffrage movement, see Women's suffrage in the United States'. Some time ago I removed the constantly growing list of suffragists in other countries but the American one has been added back and is growing again. As I understand it, the preferred term  in America at the time was 'suffragist' rather than 'suffragette' and indeed our article Women's suffrage in the United States only uses the term 'suffragette' once and that is only in an image caption. I can see that the first hatnote on this article could be changed to read 'Great Britain and Ireland' as there were strong links between the movements in the two countries and the WSPU had an Irish branch, but shouldn't the American lists of notable suffragists be confined to the Women's suffrage in the United States article? Also do we need all that stuff in the lead about when suffrage was achieved in countries other than Great Britain and Ireland?  Richerman   (talk) 23:51, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the scope of this article? 

message: Looking at the facts mentioned, some of them alleged, isn't the term excessive ? --Japarthur (talk) 10:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Domestic terrorism" 

message: The Colours section of this page includes a reference to an article on http://antiquesjournal.com/ that is no longer online. As it isn't available, I'm unable to review a few claims made in the page about suffragette jewellery that I believe may be refuted by scholars. I haven't deleted the reference yet but will return and link the colours section to a new article on suffragette jewellery once it is complete.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dma132 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colours 

message: Almost everything in the "Arson, property damage and domestic terrorism" section is sourced to http://www.heretical.com - a white supremecist / misogenist site run by Simon_Sheppard_(activist), which (after a brief look at the contents) appears to blame Jews and Feminists for everything wrong with Western society.  Investigating further, I see that all the dubious statements were added on 9th Sept 2017 by User:Floofmaster (which constitutes his entire contribution to Wikipedia).  I'll remove it all. Iapetus (talk) 09:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for checking this out! I'm confused whether this article is for usa of UK. But, most of what I know about the UK movement comes from Hammond's book []. I agree with your edit to remove this content as it is not well sourced Fred (talk)  23:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In answer to Fred, suffragettes were a primarily a UK phenomenon. Emmeline Pankhurst went to the US and persuaded some women to join with her, as is evidenced by the photograph of the young woman selling suffragette papers in New York, but few American women callled themselves suffragettes. I keep meaning to add something about this to the article to make it clear but haven't got round to it yet. I've spent a fair bit of time removing lists of suffragists from other countries from this article as most of them didn't identify as suffragettes. Richerman   (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

text: [user: richerman]] perhaps the problem is that there is no suffragist page and wikipedia and google searches for that word redirect here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frederika Eilers (talk • contribs) 06:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  VERY dubious source 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am intrigued by the claim that the (once derisory) term “suffragette” was adopted by the movement itself with a hardened “g”. The reference for this claim is Suffragette Sally a novel by Gertrude Colmore. Does anyone know a more authoritative reference? If not, I suspect this claim should be removed. TobyGoodwin (talk) 12:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious source 

message: I have added a citation of the 2018 book by Diane Atkinson ISBN 978 1 4088 4044 5 which runs in chronological order, and has several chapters (pp listed on citation) which will support the statement in the text re 1910 - 1914. 
Have not removed the 'citation required' template in case that is not considered sufficient cite.
Kaybeesquared (talk) 20:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation for period of violence 

message: A question has been raised here on whether the Suffragette's were terrorists - additional voices would be appreciated -----Snowded TALK 14:10, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorism 

message: Edited by anon user has added Winifred Banks to the list of notable suffragettes in Great Britain.
She is a fictional character.
I have added these words in front of her name on the listing but would support UNDO of previous edit.
Kaybeesquared (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed her as being fictional before I saw this thread! DuncanHill (talk) 21:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks I would support that decision, Thanks
Kaybeesquared (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winifred Banks is a fictional character 

message: — Assignment last updated by Historiology (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Research Seminar in Digital and Public History

message: I'm removing "white" in the sentence about the US in the Background section because there were no actual laws that restricted voters to one race. Black women technically had the legal right to vote in the territories of Wyoming and Utah, and there is at least one eyewitness account (by Justice John Kingman) of Black women voting in Wyoming in 1876. 2600:100A:B1CA:59C3:0:A:4562:E401 (talk) 21:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race and Voting in the US