Talk:La Llorona

message: Well I have read up on what things have been up on this current listing.  Truth be told I am rather questionable that these stories ever had any truth at all.  Cursed with a head of a horse, Drink my teat cause I am your mother, being damned to die by hearing her cries?  This is utter nonsense that just put in interest of making a story as innocent as this turn into a ghastly Halloween animated series waiting to happen...  I have an Opinion on what the logical thing would have been that could have happened.
La Llorona may not just be any kind of widow, but perhaps she was a caring one and her children were being Ill given to care or financial help.  Their father, who is her husband, went out one day to try and find some help.  unsure of what else could happen, he may have just been taken of his life or some other reason why they never heard from him again.  Without his help and assistance in financial care and medical health, the days that go past just count to the children passing away from the natural cause that could be thought of as one more reasonable explanation.  
I would also say that she possibly lived by the Rio Grande river a long time ago and had her dead children buried there, not drowned like innocent victims of a womans emotional mood swings.  I also would believe she may have caught the same disease as they did and passed away silently by the river.  And onward to this day, when you're alone or with others by the river, and if you hear her crying, you know that it would be her weeping over the loss of her children from so many years ago.  Or perhaps it would be of a female family member from her family tree long ago in a new generation mourning for their ancestors loss and her twisted story putting their family to shame...
That last bit about an extended family was just sort of a questionable slot filler case people want questions explaining the eerie cries from the river.  Perhaps the sound of it makes it sound like it's a female crying would be all.  Or perhaps all those stories and a persons built up fear would naturally mess with the imagination of ones mental cerebrum and create visual illusions AND/OR ghostly imagined sounds that would considerably be known as a female weeping along the side of a river.  Oh, and if you're not thinking this could possibly be a more logical and kinder side to the story that could be true, then think about if a girl with a horses face is true enough to believe...yea right... - Mialover730 10:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem with a story told to children that is now here on Wikipedia. Urban legend is now adding to it. Of course, there are likely different versions and some may be based on local fact or supposed events. If you have a section you seriously question, add some citations requested. If the the citations are not supplied in a reasonable period, say two weeks, we can be begin trimming the article. Ronbo76 14:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly I do not know how to make citations on which I can reference what I am talking about.  I do not mind about what is or isn't put up or what is or isn't trimmed.  I am here to just place my suggestive theory on a more brighter side to the story of La Llorona.  Do you or do you not think that you may be able to edit what I have put up and perhaps make it a suggestive idea of a brighter side to the story that has been told in such an unrealistic urban legend form? - Mialover730 23:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mialover730 , your suggestions constitute original research and therefore do not belong in the article.  However, I encourage you to continue thinking about la llorona and consider writing an article about her and your interpretation of her story for an appropriate outlet.  If you did, we could then cite it here :-)  The thing I would hope comes across in the article is that la Llorona is not a unique story told to children in latino communities.  Rather, she is an archetype found across cultures and especially in culutures where women have limited power.  Some feminist scholars have embraced her as a heroine, but I feel she is a much sadder figure.  Her backstory changes a little here and there but she is usually a mother who murders her own children out of desperation - a lot like Susan Smith. She has morped into a harbinger of death due to the horrible nature of her crimes.  She has counterparts in most western cultures and in many non-western cultures.  As for your comment that she is an unrealistic urban legend - most urban legends are unrealistic and that is one way to actually see through them.  The point is, the story of la llorona serves a cultural purpose in the communities where her tale is told.  She serves to remind young girls of the dangers of clinging to an uncommitted man, she is a reminder of racial and class distiniction in her incarnation as La Malinche, and she serves as a warning of the dangers of being out alone when she is presented as a vengeaful ghost.  As long as La llorona is culturally significant, she will live on.Lisapollison 03:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, I have no guts to put this up on the archive itself really.  Anyone else who knows how to is more than willing to do so if they can.  Though I do hope that they don't edit it when they do.  Mialover730 11:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Llorona from a different view (Conversational Q+A) 

message: I was raised in Albuquerque, and attended several APS elementary schools.  I remember being taught the tale of La Llorona.  (We were also taught the Coyote stories.)  The Ditch Witch was a mnemonic to remind us that playing in ditches and arroyos could be deadly, especially in the case of flash flooding.  I always linked the two in my mind, because I vaguely remember someone telling me they were the same.  A google search for "La Llorona" "ditch witch" reveals that I'm not imagining it.  The legend matches the safety mascot by the act of crying for children lost in swift-flowing waters.  How can we integrate that into the article?   --205.201.141.146 16:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's quite intriguing.  I will look into it and see how we can fit this into the article.  it';s an interesting application of the folk story.LiPollis 19:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albuquerque Public Schools 

message: I added the paragraph about the legend in Guatemala to "The story" part of the article. If references are required, please let me know. Infrasonik 05:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guatemala's legend 

message: The reference link is broken. When you click on it, it says the page cannot be found. --Angelusgutmann 16:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Putting the Texas description first makes it seem that this legend is first of all Texan and then Mexican. This is no way the truth. Although many countries have their own version of La Llorona, it is first and foremost a Mexican legend and then has traveled to other parts of the americas.
--but Texas was part of Mexico... ;) Beetlecat (talk) 17:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico should come first. 

message: In the massive rewrites of this article, it appears a fair number of citations have been deleted.  The article is now a bloated concatenation of anecdotes without cited sources.  This is unfortunate.  I would encourage other editors to try and find at leat one source for every anecdote they have considered important enough to include.  if it's that valuable and that crucial to the explantion of La Llorona, surely there must be a credible source for the story, yes?  That said, I believe this article could stand a little trimming.  Also, please resist the urge to add everything and the kitchen sink to the See Also Section.  if the article is mentioned in the main body of the text, we do not add it to the See Also.  Further, just because something relates to an urbvan legend doesn't mean all urban legends should be tacked unto the See Also section. The Cry baby bridges are directly rerlated to the story of La Llorona in that they share the common theme of infanticide.  However, including links to general lists of haunted places is just silly.  Please use common sense when adding to the article and to the See Also section.  Thanks. LiPollis (talk) 06:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: this Article in desperate need of referencing of asserted facts

message: The text under the "Story" section is identical to the text on this website: http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/ghosts/MarshalTexas.php Hard to know which one came from which, but the article certainly feels more fitting on the linked to website than Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.190.35 (talk) 01:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy-and-pasted Text?

message: Need more info  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.206.255 (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology? 

message: Is aparte from been a folk tale its an urban legend,because even today some people claim to have heard the crying of la Llorona  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.235.109.55 (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This is an urban legend

message: is the weaping woman true that is what some people want to now and we want some one to find out ==  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.208.187 (talk) 01:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[File:Headline text]] 

message: I'm pretty sure La Llorona isn't so much about demonizing female sexuality and oppressing Hispanic women as it is about a creepy child-stealing ghost. Maybe those theories should be in an "alternate interpretations" section or something of the like.
:other patatos wouldent want to marrie her and have kids becaus they would think they children looked like p-atatoes
:: At the beginning of the Spanish conquest, many Indian women were raped by the Spaniards. Many of these women chose to kill their sons, as they would be rejected by both the Spaniards and the native Americans. To avoid this from happening, the Spanish priests created the myth of 'La Llorona' to instill fear in the native women, so that they wouldn't kill their sons.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 01:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rubbish. Wiki works off of RS's, not some crazed OR.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.15.31 (talk) 20:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Function in society section 

message: Added an external link to a radio program with a perspective on the myth that is not addressed in the rest of the article.
Arquebus1 (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Added link

message: Their was this lady,she lived next to a river crossing the brige.The lady was outside with her two kids.Her two kids where playing next to the river,but not too close.The litle girl was playing with her liitle doll and the boy was just playing with some thing. When the lady[la lorona] saw a man walking by and she had fall in love and she had "love first sight" she wander[what if...what if he dosent like my kid or any kid]she ask her self.
Not nowing what he like so she shuved her own two kids ito the river they not nowing how to swim the drown into the river and not to be seen.Then the lady talk to the man and ask him if he like children and he saed he did like children.then she cryed with sadness and regret of her same and died with sadness for she is now called la lorona.They say that she wont go to the after life until she finds her children.poeple say if you are in the the restroom and tun off the lights and splash or flush three times she wil apear and dont no what she will do so if I were you I wouldn't do anything for your good sake.      
   ҖатћЎ Ӧ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.49.147 (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  la lorona 

message: I hear this story everywhere and it is always different.  In our village in Mexico, St. Agustin, it was a cautionary tale about infanticide. Of course the people swear she is real. http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Ghost-Witches-Spirits-Augustine-ebook/dp/B00G1ST34O/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1382387743&sr=1-4&keywords=Alice+Gordon
76.122.64.75 (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  la llorona 

message: In the Texas variation, La Llorona doesn't kill herself, but rather goes insane trying to find her kids and is (sometimes) found dead (the cause is not specified). I'm from the Nueces River area, so that might be a specific variant local to the river, but one of my sources is an anthology called "Texas Ghost Stories."
Maybe there should be a section called "Variants" but there isn't really a base story. The only thing they really have in common is "Girl meets guy. Girl has kids (at some point before end; it depends on the telling). Guy does something to girl (promises to marry her, and then reneges for some reason, such as his parents get mad, or he's been faking love the whole time -- it varies wildly). Girl gets mad and throws kids in river. Girl turns into ghost somehow. Girl steals children forever more." It's a tricky topic, I must admit, and hard to write a Wikipedia article for. Let's see what happens, I guess. -- 18:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas variation 

message: The image in this article clearly does not fit the description. It should be removed altogether or replaced with an image that actually matches the caption. 128.84.127.8 (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image inaccurate 

message: Try Roberto Alagna on his 2011 album Pasion  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.26.8 (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's also a song which ppl sing 

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thread_title:  Missing Citations 

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message: The lede says it is part of Latin American folklore. Is it actually all across the continent? For instance in Chile and Brazil? Or just in Central America? The article should make this clear and I cannot find any sources on it. Ashmoo (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  All of Latin America 

message: How is he analogous to La Llorona? Is there some kind of superstition surrounding his music or something? It's not noted on his page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.94.170.50 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shawn Mendes 

message: The lead does a good job at stating what the article topic is. The lead does not include a brief description of the major sections it is basically a shortened summary of the legend. The lead states that she drowned herself and was denied entry into heaven but the legend section states that her husband came home and said if she wanted to be with him then she needed to find their children. The lead is neither concise or detailed because it contains information that doesn't match the sections.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mck5471 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead needs to be edited 

message: Here there are some new sources in order to add more reliable and diverse information to the article, all from differnt sources and some are from journal databases. 
History Today; Wailing Woman 
American History; Muneca de La Llorona
Texas State Historical Association
"La Llorona" and Related Themes
Los pasos de La Llorona sobre Ciudad Juárez: voces de resistencia en la literatura de mujeres de la frontera México-Estados Unidos
Mck5471 (talk) 02:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Bibliography 

message: I don't see much wrong, but I agree with the detail issue. I will say I had to correct a few grammar and I'm not feeling this article that much. Please fix things.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RihaScott123 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Llorona 

message: The legend tells of a single mother who left her children unattended on her boat to extinguish the fire in their house.  Apparently, the boat drifted away with the children during the time she was desperatelly attempting to extinguish the blaze.  It is unknown if the children were asleep, but it was late night so that was very likely.  Therefore unintentionally contributing to their downing.  The kids bodies where found days later by the river bank.  The woman suffered not only the accidental death of her children but also the guilt that came over her, so she lost her mind and began calling out for her children, often wandering during the night.  No one knows how she died but after her death, people could still hear her cries in the night searching for her children.  Her ghost was thought to carry children away during the night. 2600:4040:750D:DA00:31DE:8BB5:A6BB:35DA (talk) 08:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are different versions of the story and some movies made. Which one is the story you wrote above? Thinker78 (talk) 20:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The information is incorrect... 

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