Talk:Lexus

message: Isn't this article way too long?    It seems like some new pages should be split off from it.    I realise it would be some work.   Don't know if there are official guidelines for this.   --81.179.93.205 (talk) 21:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe some sections could be split off... Octave8 (talk) 19:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long article? 

message: ...is noit a part of Asia. Slrubenstein   |  Talk 23:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oceanea ... 

message: The current issue on the accelerating and brakes of Certain models has been more that reported.  there has been a nation wide recall on certain Es and GX models for Lexus.  Many people are panicking, they need to realize that it is not all Lexus models being recalled. However, it is a very serious issue. if your vehicle is one of the models that has been recalled your dealer will be sending you a notice, you will need to take your vehicle in for repairs.  If you have any further questions you can call (800) 255-3987. 
Do you think current safety and quality issues, the car accelerating out of control, should be reported?
http://my.is/forums/f104/stuck-accelerator-lexus-kills-family-398078/
http://www.justicenewsflash.com/2009/09/01/runaway-lexus-kills-4_200909012035.html
http://kansascity.injuryboard.com/automobile-accidents/toyota-denied-customer-complaints-on-sudden-acceleration-problem-for-more-than-5-years.aspx?googleid=274028
http://www.autosafety.org/again-nhtsa-probes-sudden-acceleration
--Aizuku (talk) 07:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Very sad accident, the wrong floor mat was used (added to the ES article). SynergyStar (talk) 15:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to IP 134.154.170.210 for your information, aside from the floor mat fix, the ES has not been further involved. Also help phone #s and dealer service info probably would be more helpful elsewhere, because this page is not intended for general discussion. Thanks SynergyStar (talk) 08:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: any other models have this issue? Westerosi456H (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current quality issues 

message: I notice there's a listing of awards in the intro paragraph. Is there reason to include them, and if there is, why are they included in the introduction? Would it be more appropriate to have the list of notable awards included in the Marketing or other section? Toyota marked cars, and many other makes have received many similar recognitions yet do not have them included in their article intro. Seems like an NPOV issue that so much weight is given to them in the intro.--Retran (talk) 11:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your suggestions, the awards and slogan have been there for quite a long time, and if you look at a number of company articles, the slogan is included (e.g. Volkswagen, Gillette, Continental Airlines). However, the slogan has been removed from other articles, so I don't see a problem with removing it here.  As for the awards, the reliability awards stand as a U.S. record which no other auto brand has come close to achieving (14x), but it is not a major part of the article body anyhow, per WP:LEAD so makes sense to integrate them into body. It would be helpful if the guidelines on slogan integration were more specific too. Assuming good faith, thanks.SynergyStar (talk) 18:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks SynergyStar for the work on updating the discussion ideas into the article; but now you have me convinced that there is something notable enough about the awards to include a mention in some way in the intro. I would agree its notable to achieve a reliability record that none other has achieved, and that fact is beyond marketing hyperbole. Perhaps integrating that fact as a sentence in one of the intro paragraphs, then relying on it being expounded upon (as it already is) further in the body would do the would keep a mention of the reliability record consistent with WP:LEAD. Retran (talk) 06:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Retran for your suggestions, it's possible a sentence could be added, however readers can now find the reliability references in the production section, and the slogan in the marketing section, as suggested (incidentally, it used to be that Template:Infobox company had a slogan field, but no longer--also showing the lead section details can change). With the lead having the basic summary points, some details can be saved for the body. Thanks again for your comments, SynergyStar (talk) 06:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing of awards and slogan in lead 

message: If the LFA is out of production then what was the sportscar (read: supercar) in the background of several different Lexus commercials in 2014? --RThompson82 (talk) 01:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  LFA?  

message: I removed mentions of the J.D. Power awards which lacked any secondary sources. Most of them were sourced to press releases. The only exception was this one, from What Car? which looks like it should be a redirect to this page which is a fairly brief mention of the Lexus IS, and is doesn't seem like a terribly strong reflection of the company as a whole. 
 restored the awards, with the rationale that they are factually supported as having been given to the company. This is true, but that is not why I removed them. If they are not demonstrated by reliable sources as being worthy, why are they mentioned? The , for example, seems like the kind of thing that needs more substantial sources to be included here. Sounds impressive, but what is a "Platinum Award for Worldwide Plant Quality"? How would one find out? J.D. Power is widely mentioned in advertisements, but it's much, much less commonly cited in more reliable sources, and even less commonly in ones of any substance. Without this context, it's very flattering, but it's not clear how informative these awards are. If they are flattering but not informative, then they are not neutral.
While I'm absolutely not saying that anything nefarious is going on at this article, the reason I am removing press-release-cited J.D. Power awards from articles is that I noticed them being inserted by some of the Orangemoody accounts. This underscores their popularity as PR tools, but Wikipedia should use independent sources to avoid this kind of manipulation, and for WP:NPOV in general. Grayfell (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Using Press Releases as primary sources is not enough for encyclopedia articles. According to WP:NOT, "Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery. All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources, ..." This is particularly true given the major shift to use press releases as promotion and advertising tools. There is a symbiotic relationship corporations have with organizations such as J.D. Power. For example, there is no significance to the "Platinum award for worldwide plant quality". This "award" does not represent a comprehensive study of every factory, in every nation, and in every industry. There is a basic problem of defining quality in this "award" which J.D. Powers seems to only define as "fewest defects" (which is subject to different interpretations) while also neglecting to inform the reader that only selected automobile assembly plants were evaluated by them. Unless these "claims" are also collaborated by truly independent sources (not simply reposts of the press releases) such as academic-based research, then they should be removed from WP articles. Moreover, the Press Release cited sections in this article are written in a WP:PEACOCK way that contribute to making the article read like an advertisement, which is also contrary to the WP:PROMOTION guidelines. Thanks - CZmarlin (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Since there seems to be agreement that the J.D. Power awards do not belong, for a variety of reasons, I am again removing them from the article. Grayfell (talk) 05:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Grayfell! This article still needs much work to reduce boastful superlatives (BS) and make it a worthy encyclopedia entry. Thanks, CZmarlin (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight of J.D. Power awards 

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message: Lexus local assembly in India. Is India became the fourth country that assembled Lexus vehicles other than Japan, USA and Canada? 182.30.204.161 (talk) 12:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: Not sure which date should be used for the foundation date. The reference https://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1989/08/14/72355/index.htm says that the name was chosen circa October 1986. I have no doubt that a department within Toyota was created around the same time but I don't have any source that says this. It was unleashed onto the public in 1989. I don't know when it was formally incorporated in either Japan or the US. Company histories (Lexus/Toyota websites and third party books) are also vague about it. Which means that the founding date is not clear at all.  Stepho  talk  22:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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message: I found this in the "Assembly plants" section and identified it as promotional/advertising content. Anyone else agree?
It appears to be about half of the "Assembly plants" section of the Lexus article. Sagquattro2009 (talk) 21:18, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a little over the top but not by much. The whole point of the Lexus brand was quality. When it was first introduced they had to made it substantially better than the competition in order to convince buyers that it wasn't a typical Toyota economy car. So they went to extraordinary lengths to use only the best production methods and the best employees. This really was an all-out effort by Toyota.  Stepho  talk  10:23, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid points made above by both, in my opinion.  I've gone ahead and cut out most of that paragraph, i.e. the "over the top" stuff, and left a brief summary at the end of that section instead.  That section, overall, now focuses on the different assembly sites. Thanks SynergyStar (alt) (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible promotional/advertising content?