Talk:Kundalini yoga

message: This is an topic article where opinions and the level of knowledge vary. As a co-editor of this page, I have striven to include and support statements made here from a wide variety of printed sources written in English, and use recent historical evidence about the teaching of Kundalini Yoga as it is currently recognized by Western Audiences. Due to a variety of roots of teachings and information, and sources which use the same name to describe different things, information can vary. Additionally, some people, groups and religions may have strong POVs around this topic.
Please follow the good faith tenets of Wikipedia and post and discuss changes here first so that if additions are helpful and appropriate, we can continue to co-craft and make this article better.
Just to establish a baseline: This is an article about "Kundalini Yoga", and not necessarily a page about kundalini energy, religion, esoteric forms of kundalini rising, and not necessarily about personal spiritual experiences.
We are always looking for good, cohesive editorial input. If you wish to improve the framework of this page, please do so, but please be prepared to discuss changes before posting. Please back up your sources, as well as provide reasoning for requesting new sections or excluding existing sections. Thank you kindly. +RogerThatOne72 (talk) 21:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please discuss changes here first... 

message: As a PhD student who has been studying yoga for the past half year, particularly Kundalini Yoga as it is currently practiced in the United States, I feel that the attempts to remove Yogi Bhajan from this page must be motivated by something other than a concern for factual accuracy. Furthermore, accusations that 3HO is a "cult" or anything to that effect are simply groundless, if not slanderous, and completely inconsistent with my experience with the wonderful people involved with that organization.
However one might feel about him, Yogi Bhajan was pivotal for the popularization of Kundalini Yoga in the United States and throughout the world, and has left an indelible mark on how it is currently practiced. According to Yoga Journal, 3HO, the organization started by Yogi Bhajan and which continues his work, Currently oversees 300 Kundalini Yoga centers worldwide: 
http://www.yogajournal.com/basics/1336
Therefore, excluding Yogi Bhajan from the page simply distorts its accuracy, and removing any explanation of Yogi Bhajan's significance to the contemporary practice of Kundalini Yogi only distorts it further.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Affinity909 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: How can edits be adjusted to improve article without continuing harassment from Wikipedia users such as Gatoclass? Main gripe seems to be that some paragraphs appear as "self-promotional", but he won't clarify or elucidate, and is not willing to work to reach consensus with current authors despite numerous attempts. Therefore it is up to current authors to make improvement in lieu of constructive aid from other Wikipedia users.RogerThatOne72 (talk) 00:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been responded to multiple times on this and you were almost banned when you were editing as  (which was confirmed by Checkuser), but you conveniently stopped using that account and started using this. You are the one that's being disruptive here by refusing to listen to any feedback. I'm sorry, but it's beyond the point where anyone else can keep explaining to you. —SpacemanSpiff 02:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Spiff, I used Fatehji at a work terminal when I didn't recall my Roger password a very long time ago, which I have already explained previously – and I never it used again. At that time I was not even aware of what "spoofing" was. What you are doing is clearly using this past mistake as some kind of leverage to hammer in a complete deletion of Yogi Bhajan from this article, and ignore all of the gathered consensus. It's a very poor excuse to use to avoid dialogue about the changes - a very cheap and easy escape - and you know it, so get over it. I'm not interested in arguing about it. This article is clearly not complete without Yogi Bhajan mentioned in it, and there is consensus from various authors, besides myself. I would like to work towards improving it and writing it, so use your common sense instead of your emotions, and stop deleting it completely without cause or discussion.RogerThatOne72 (talk) 12:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

text: This is getting incredibly ridiculous. You have been socking and using Wikipedia for blatant POV pushing and spamming. This has to stop. —SpacemanSpiff 18:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Hey Spaceman, you can't just keep undoing the page and say "more spamming". that's an intentional mischaracterization of editing work I'm trying to do. It obviously shows you have not read the changes, nor do you have any interest in working towards a working version. How long will you keep ignoring the facts and just deleting changes? Your continuing actions and refusal to work towards a working compromise make your entire purpose and all of your actions highly suspect.RogerThatOne72 (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fatehji, we've had enough of your incessant POV pushing using multiple socks. Stop. —SpacemanSpiff 09:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yogi Bhajan references belong in this page 

message: The following passage of this article as of this writing is refering to a common misconception about the Caduceus.
"This process can be seen depicted even today in modern medical iconography as two snakes spiraling a central staff, and although the origin of this image is more directly derived from the Caduceus of the Greek god Hermes, it may express the same or a similar principle.[10]"
The Caduceus is a symbol of occultism not of medicing, the rod of Asclepius is a symbol of medicin.
For more info on this matter see Caduceus as a symbol of medicine
I'm not sure what to do in a situation like this nor am i a usualy a contributor to wikipedia , i hope i'm doing this the right way and i beg for forgivness and kind words of correction if i have done this the wrong way.
--Letharin (talk) 05:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Caduceus is not really a medical icon

message: I feel for the opening translation to read "to yoke/harness" as this second term is a much "better" translation as it includes both the literal and mundane meaning in both languages, as well as giving the English audience the unique experience that word "harness" offers in terms of the connotation of wielding/taming and using, which I believe is the meaning trying to be conferred. The literal word for "yoke" in the language of origin may have a similar effect for its speakers/their culture. 
Mr.troughton (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "To Yoke" + Add "/harness"? 

message: Even though its not directly related to the subject of the entry I think for the sake of the general reader something should be said about the use of the word yoga as originally meant in India. The Indians recognized four forms of yoga one of which revolves around the stretching and posing which most of the people in the word associate with the word yoga. The stretching and posing is referred to as Hatha yoga iirc. All four types of yoga share similar goals of personal development. My only point here is that the general reader has the word yoga so strongly associated with Hatha yoga that this needs to be cleared up to avoid confusion when discussing Kundalini yoga. I myself have had so much difficulty with this misunderstanding that I usually refer to it as Kundalini meditation just to avoid a pointless discussion about what yoga means.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.29.44 (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the proper place for a discussion on the term "yoga" would be Talk:Yoga. --dab (𒁳) 11:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think hindu use of word Yoga should be explained 

message: well, it turns out that "kundalini" emerges as a technical term in hatha yoga in about the 16th century. As far as I can tell, it was only at the very end of the 19th or the beginning of the 20th that laya yoga (the later "Kundalini yoga") came to be seen as not part of Hatha yoga. If we would dig into this, it would presumably emerge that Nigamananda Paramahansa had a significant hand in this development. --dab (𒁳) 12:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Terms "Kundalini" and "Kundalini Yoga"

message: The content of following box is user:Jerzy#Kundalini article copied from my talk page copied from my talk page:
--Jerzy•t 17:55 &19:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:    I recall disambiguating "Kundalini", presumbly by converting Kundalini to a Dab page, or (more likely, judging by some summaries i see on my contribs, doing that and then turning it into a single-topic page with a HatNote to a new Dab page.) That stretch of contribs also indicates concurrent and presumably relevant discussion at User talk:Morganfitzp#‎Dab editing, which a more skilled WP editor probably would have consulted before issuing what is, however politely couched, an ultimatum. I don't recall its substance, but I would suggest you check whether you've considered whatever they and i discussed at the time.--Jerzy•t 19:43 & 19:46, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kundalini article 

message: Any ideas? We have random ips coming on here to insert their POV against Yogi Bhajan. Nothing wrong with not liking the man, but seriously: this is an encyclopedia, not someone's angry blog. Should the page be locked, or is it easier to just ban the ips as they come up?Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Iṣṭa Devata! Here is a page that provides instructions, as well as a site for leaving a Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Maybe  in this case would do the trick, what do you think? There is also Wikipedia:Rough guide to semi-protection, an introductory dealing with the matter. I hope this helps! Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to protect this page from vandalism 

message: Half of this page is about Yogi Bhajan and not about kundalini yoga. While the politics of 3HO are interesting and I take a certain pleasure in watching edit wars, all of this is thoroughly spelled out on Yogi Bhajan's wiki page (and 3HO's page). I don't see the purpose of making this article about one yogi instead of making it about a real subject like kundalini yoga, its history and the philosophy and anatomy that accompany it. Yogi Bhajan should be confined to a section or a link for further reading and then this page would stop being vandalized and ruined with copy pasted sikh propaganda against yoga and Yogi Bhajan. That's a subject that can be (and is) discussed on the Sikh pages, Bhajan's page, 3HO's page, etc.
This page should have sections on subtle anatomy (cakras, nadis, nada, the debate over kundalini's mechanics etc); a history of its development and roots in tantra and hatha with pivotal texts named; how Sivananda, Krisnamacarya, and others addressed kundalini in their teachings and writings; Arthur Avalon's translation efforts; modern superimposed systems like chakra balancing, sound baths, crystal healing, rainbow colors, etcetera; and a much smaller section on it's modern history in the west linking to Bhajan's page if people want to learn more about Western Sikh Dharma Kundalini or "Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini". As it is, this page gives the false impression that what 3HO teaches is the preeminent or normative form of kundalini practice instead of a modern syncretic practice, slightly removed from its Hindu milieu.
Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make this about Yoga, not Yogi Bhajan 

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message: I'm sorry, what?!? Linuxo (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kundalini yoga is often identified as the most dangerous form of yoga because of the involvement of subtle energies"

message: In the Yogi Bhajan section the abuse allegations against him need to be included. 47.33.92.56 (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yogi Bhajan Abusive 

message: Other schools, such as Kashmir Shaivism, teach that there are multiple kundalini energies in different parts of the body which are active and do not require awakening
Maybe they were referring to prana as kundalini. There is the connection and perceived progress between Bindu - virja/Raja -- kundalini / prana 
There are teachings that have all. 27.131.209.252 (talk) 05:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashmir Shaivism, teach that there are multiple kundalini energies