Talk:Iban people

message: Nuju Matthew Timbang
Sebedau aku nulis karangan tenya, I'd like to say that the Article in question needs some serious re-editing. Hopefully, this should be done in a few weeks, time allowing.
Tuai 21:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: REDRAFTING

message: Yo, thanks for the reminder, but this article is not started by me and I think I need everybody's help in improving this article. This article is clearly written if not coppied, from one of Benedict Sandin's work or from The Sarawak Museum Journal. Some of the facts here are disputed, as it has some derogatory remarks on my people, the Saribas. Thanks & slamat ari Gawai.
  
ALSO IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ARICULTURE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.105.47 (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuju Tuai 

message: Not only is there a lot of bad grammar and incorrect spellings, but it is very clearly copied from another source, and needs to be resolved.
I'd flag it for editing (not meeting Wikipedia's standards) but I don't know how.
<P>I admit that my grammar is by your standards poor, but I refuse to accept the fact that it was copied. Copied??? This shit is of my own, you cock sucking son of a b**ch!!! If you're so smart, why don't you do something about it rather than exposing your retardness by saying: I'd flag it for editing (not meeting Wikipedia's standards) but I don't know how. The previous section Iban history was copied (by someone else) from a book which is the Sarawak Museum Journal, but I have made massive changes. If you are so upright brave and correct, don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes, which is a Wikipedia standard when you post (in your case, retarded) comments here. F**k you!
(Matt McSales 03:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This whole page needs editing 

message: "The origin of the name Iban is a mystery, although many theories exist. During the British colonial era, the Ibans were called Sea Dayaks. Some believe that the word Iban was an ancient original Iban word for people or man. The modern-day Iban word for people or man is mensia, a slightly modified Malay loan word of the same meaning (manusia) of Sanskrit Roor."
A few points here:
# Manusia is hardly sanskrit. It's arabic
# Typo 'Sanskrit Roor' should have been 'Sanskrit Root'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmihamid (talk • contribs) 06:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually "manusia" IS a Sanskrit loanword (मनुष्य=manusya). Arabic term for "human" is إنسان (insaan). Matahari Pagi (talk) 11:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: manusia (man)

message: Doesn't the article appear to justify ethnic cleansing and cannibalism? i.e. "Confrontation was the only way of survival....In those days, the way of war was the only way that any Dayak tribe could achieve prosperity and fortune. Dayak warfare was brutal and bloody, to the point of ethnic cleansing."  I suggest that it be re-written so as to not be quite so apologetic of war and ethnic cleansing - or cannibalism.203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This text has since been removed. -- Beland (talk) 13:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endorsement of ethnic cleansing? 

message: The natives of Sarawak and British North Borneo; based chiefly on the mss. of the late H. B. Low, Sarawak government service (1896)
https://archive.org/details/nativessarawaka01lowgoog
Iban Sea Dyak
A Sea Dyak dictionary, in alphabetical parts, with examples and quotations shewing the use and meaning of words (1900)
https://archive.org/details/aseadyakdiction00bailgoog
The Sea-Dyaks of Borneo (1917)
https://archive.org/details/cu31924023260197
https://archive.org/details/cu31924023510005
Seventeen years among the Sea Dyaks of Borneo; a record of intimate association with the natives of the Bornean jungles (1911)
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa00gomegoog
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa01gomegoog
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsam00gomeuoft
Rajmaan (talk) 14:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on Sea Dyak (Iban) people 

message: http://dictionary.infoplease.com/iban --Espoo (talk) 09:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The entry feels too big and is really straining on the reader. I propose splitting the some of the topics on this entry into separate articles. The example process of creating offshoot entries revolving around Māori people → Māori politics + Māori mythology + Māori traditional textiles etc come to mind here.
Anumengelamun (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the idea of splitting the article. However there might be a few issues. Some of the sections lack citations. Splitting those sections as an independent article will eventually lead to their deletion if those issues are not being addressed immediately. Which almost makes no difference if those sections are deleted in this article itself in order to reduce the enormous size. But I think it good to give those sections without citation a chance to be improved by wikipedians who are experts in this topic. So either way, you may split the article now but make sure that there's an immediate follow up to improve those newly split articles with more citations, or improve those sections without citation here in this article before splitting them. If there are sections that already have good sources and citations, then you may go ahead with the splitting. Just my 2 cents. Jeblat (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessity to split article due to size 

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message: 121.121.14.129 (talk) 04:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: No notability.  —  IVORK Discuss 21:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2018 

message: This article uses an excessive number of Iban words, rather than simply leaving the English translation when it would do. I cleaned up formatting instead of dropping them immediately; upon reflection it might be a good idea to make sure they are listed in Wiktionary before removing them. -- Beland (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-English words 

message: There are many sources which point out the belief in a Supreme Being among the Dyaks, most of which are quoted in Pettazzoni, Raffaelle, The All Knowing God, London, 1954, pp. 331-3; and earlier, idem., Dio, 1922, pp. 121-7. Here I will give examples, exhorting those in charge to update their section on the religious beliefs which is very poorly referenced and misleading insofar as it tells the reader that the natives had exclusively animistic beliefs, when they also believed in a Supreme Being.
The Iban are known to recognize Petara, whose name is of hindu origin, and Alata'ala/Hatalla from islamic origin. However, the original name of the Supreme Being is neither hindu or islamic and refers to an original belief of a Supreme Being before external influences: his name is Tupa (Tuppa/Tapa), from the word tumpa ("mold") and meaning "Creator". (Pettazzoni, 1922, 121).
Among other Dyak tribes we also find the belief in a Supreme Being:
The Bahau of Mahakam = Timei Tinggei, who lives in heaven with his wife Uniang Tenangan, is omniscient and pnishes man's sins with bad crops and other disasters.
The Kayan = Laki Tenangan (wife is Doh Tenangan)
The Kenyah = Balli Penyalong (wife is Do Penyalong)
The Klementan = Balli Utong
The Punan = Balli Lutong.
Pettazzoni, 1954, 332 concludes "It is therefore, it would seem, the most primitive inhabitants of Borneo, perhaps the first dwellers on the island, who have the idea of a single Supreme Being, whereas the agricultural peoples have a divine pair which, although not exactly Sky and Earth, already involves a dualistic principle."
The idea that primitive peoples like the Iban had only religious beliefs of animism is a very wrong idea that has been long ago proven mistaken, since it was shown in the 20th century that most of the cultures around the world had native ideas of a Supreme Being. Animism, totemism, ancestor worship, magic, and other forms of reigious worship all coexist with monotheistic and/or polytheistic notions, and Borneo is not an exepetion to this well known fact in the history of religions.
I suggest that the part on religion be changes in such a way that the reader understands that besides animistic beliefs there were also beliefs in a Supreme Being who punished incest and other sins with the weather, much like other Supreme Beings of the area...
Best regards, 
Christian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoriuken17 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iban Religion: Supreme Being besides Animism 

message: Footnotes 4 and 5 are dead. I found a link that provides the same information on longhouses - "rumah panjai" here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160403040118/https://ibancustoms.wordpress.com/iban-history-in-brief/. Please help update the link. Kmeiyin (talk) 09:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: with this edit. Archive.org is helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2018 

message: Agreed to split these subtopics into a separate section as long as with hyperlink.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:1980:8181:778C:E433:E5ED:4954:AE61 (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting Iban culture and Handicrafts

message: An IP editor (113.211.149.102) has, in good faith, disputed large amounts of this article. They have, unfortunately, inserted a lot of comments in unsuitable places, for example using the "quote" parameter of references so that instead of quoting a relevant bit of reference, the reference has someone's personal opinion of its quality attached to it in quotation marks. They've also inserted unreferenced opinions elsewhere in the text. This editor is clearly very knowledgeable on the subject of the Iban people, which I am not. They have raised serious questions about the accuracy of the article, questions which ought to be addressed. But the job must be done properly, with new, alternative references to support any point of view that is expressed here.
For this reason, I am reverting their work, but inserting a  tag on the article. If you are the editor, and you're annoyed at what I've done, please forgive me, but please also find some references to support the changes you'd like to make. If you're someone else, have a look at the article's history, to see the disputed statements, and please do feel free to improve the article! Elemimele (talk) 08:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: Siapa nama 61.6.233.186 (talk) 22:35, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siapa nama