Talk:Tractor S.C.

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Teraktor Sazi Tabriz.gif

message: Hi guys, i found an updated edition of Tractor Sazi F.C.'s roster for the previous season, however i am unable to read it because it is in farsi. I am attached it as the latest reference. Any help updating this page is much welcome.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasperone (talk • contribs) 07:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Rosters 

message: why did you used  .it points to Turkish (lang of Turkey) .but in Tabriz all people speak Azerbaijani language and not Turkish
=== Turkish or Azerbaijani===
I think both Turkish and Azerbaijani are true, but it's better to use Turkic that include not only Turkish but also Azerbaijani. And you can use this site:Ethnologue, Languages of the World to validate my opinion. Arjanizary (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: template

message: I think both Turkish and Azerbaijani are true, but it's better to use Turkic that include not only Turkish but also Azerbaijani. And you can use this site:Ethnologue, Languages of the World to validate my opinion. Arjanizary (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish or Azerbaijani

message: Why you havenot mentioned how Tractor soccer team was built and who brought the idea of having soccer team in Tracor manufacturing! Why you donot mention any name of the people who put a lot of efforts in 1970's!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.283.39.203 (talk) 03:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Objection

message: I think that it's better to add tractor fc's Azeri, Persian and English pronunciation with a sound. Also we can add it with symbols.Arjanizary (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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thread_title: File:Tractorsazi F.C Logo.png Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: I want all of you for help to improve the Tractor Sazi F.C. Honors part. Arjanizary (talk) 18:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help for [[Tractor Sazi F.C. Honors]] 

message: This IP deleted picture without any discussion. --Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  86.135.248.55 

message: This user write "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Not a forum for hate-speech. Keep your anti-Iranian Racism to yourself". What meanning of anti-Iranian Racism?--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't know what you are editing, then i suggest that you refrain from editing. Regardless of the politician situation between Iranians and Iranian-Azerbaijani's, the Tractor Sazi page is page dedicated to the football club - and not a repository for your own personal, pseudo-racist musings on Iranian political matters.    
--Kasperone (talk)13:38, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture is about Tractor Sazi page, but it is defferent with your personal opinion.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Wrong. The picture is a political statement - which neither mentions nor quotes Tractor Sazi and therefore not related to the content matter referenced on the page. In addition, the political statement references a particularly heated (if not complex, multi-faceted) issue in Iranian history. The addition of such a photograph must go through rounds upon rounds of debate within the Wikipedia community before it can be accepted as such.
--Kasperone (talk)20:21, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Kasperone]] 

message: I want change this page, please help me.
B.shirmohammadi (talk) 07:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the template above, please provide a complete and specific description of the change you are requesting.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 13:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And please reactivate the template when you do, by changing answered=yes to answered=no. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 March 2013 

message: Where is Toni known as Toni Oliveira? SLBedit (talk) 21:33, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manager 

message: Hello,
Red Wolves nickname is based on radical right-wing groups to politicize the club and exploit the capacity of its fans for political purposes, which is against the official regulations of FIFA.
some editor De-Persianization the club and player articles. this is a part of persophobia action.
 
There are several reasons why "red wolves" nickname rooted in the racist-terrorist group Grey Wolves (organization).
Show the symbol of the head of the wolf by hand, Devlet Bahçeli of the leader of the radical party Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) 
here1
Devlet Bahçeli With tractor shirt 
here2
https://www.cloob.com/c/iranhamishejavidan/126003159
Tractor flag with grey wolf symbol
here3
yowling in stadium 
here4 
youtube
The symbol of the gray wolves, at the stadium of Tabriz
here5
The symbol of the gray wolves in Turkey
here6
The symbol of gray wolves, at the stadium of Isfahan
here7
here8
yowling in Turkey
here9
Gholaghabijan (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolf Nickname 

message: Can anyone give a source that is not from Turkey which supports the statement that the nickname of Tractor Sazi is the "Red Wolves", I believe that there are other intentions in mind as this name doesn't match with the club nor is it a domestic name for the club. Can anyone give any Iranian sources, if not I assume there aren't and I will delete it.Migboy123 (talk) 02:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please focus on content, not users and refrain from attacking other editors like you did above with . As to your sources, at least one of them sounds legit (the number 3), thus, i will add back the "Red wolves" nickname. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 23:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

text: again disruptive edits by some users.--90Pluss (talk) 20:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   As showed by my above comment, i reinstated one of your edits ("nickname = Red wolves") because of the sources you gave but I don't own Wikipedia, thus, if there is no consensus for inclusion of the said nickname, then it should not be included. Please read this about this issue. I quote : While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content..---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 03:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is website (in English language) by Iranian photographer mentioned nickname "Red Wolves" (https://www.javidnikpour.com/portfolio/red-fans/), but  said it was blog that not allowed.  User Wikaviani also asked me to post here on talk page request about addition of the Red Wolves. There is probably some religious or ethnic tensions, what is aspect that the photographer website is nor welcomed? So, here is discussion about the Red Wolves nickname from Sport photographer website is fitting or not for the Wikipedia page. I suspect, while I am a layman in football, here needs official Football FC website information confirmed about nickname that may only resolve all doubts.   Thank you all for joining. PoetVeches (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found that on official Facebook page confirmed that there is the nickname "Red Wolves" https://www.facebook.com/pg/TractorFootballClub/about/?ref=page_internal. I found the FC also on Twitter @TractorSazi1970. But I cannot reach official website, because there server in Iran not allow my connection. I think if Facebook official page has it, it may be trusty source because it is official. It is hooligans problems, when they clash, but FC colors and nickname is not problem, if this is official. So, I vote, Yes, to add the nickname with the reference on the Iranian photographer website that looked trusty and professional (https://www.javidnikpour.com/portfolio/red-fans/). All clubs have hooligans, and i am not sure this may complicate use of nickname. There was some well-known case with the american club Washington Redskins, that had large discussion about racism (because it have the controversy but official logo). There is question if this official, if they have not this officially, then they have not, if have - have, I think. Also, the same is re terrorism. If FC Club published this on official Facebook page, then how you can accuse Wikipedia page which is sourced from official Facebook page? You may probably ask Facebook administration first to delete this instead Wikipedia, which needs some source.  You can then sue official FC management [to be polite, I may better say, we may sue official FC management] for their official nickname , I suppose, if you think it linked with terrorism, instead deleting the nickname on Wikipedia, in all, this is answer in the case, if it's official or not, I suppose. PoetVeches (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also here (Radio Farda; April 20, 2019; https://en.radiofarda.com/a/brawl-in-tabriz-following-leading-local-soccer-team-s-defeat-in-home-game/29893127.html) I found the news in English about the clashes if this may be helpful, but there again nothing about terrorism. PoetVeches (talk) 20:15, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, but Facbook and blogs, even from a photograph, are not what we consider being reliable sources. The radio Farda source deals with clashes, but nowhere have i seen any mention of "Red wolves".---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 23:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:      Did you try to come on their official website (@TractorSazi1970 over Twitter)? Their website looks is not working? Because I tried but their web server is not reachable. If I would, I could find on the FC website with Google Translate the club nickname there if present, but I wouldn't. This is only problem with the nickname here, if FC Club management officially confirmed it or not. Or wait for ages until FoxSportsAsiaDotCom publish detailed article about the history of the FC Club. PoetVeches (talk) 12:47, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can anyone else give a source for the nickname "Red Wolves" other than a source from Turkey? 

message: Pan-Turks from Aran have filled this article up with nonsense. Why is there a "Turkish" name for this club? This club, matter of fact the Azeris (Historically the people of The republic of "Azerbaijan" have been called Caucasian Tartars and their land has historically been known as Caucasian Albania and later Aran, when I say Azeri I mean the Iranians), have no link to Turkey apart from having a similar language. No one in Iran, whether it be Tabrizis or not, called this club the "Red Wolves", what is the relation between a tractor and a wolf? Nothing, but in the eyes of the same Grey Wolves members which jump the border and attend these games, there is a massive correlation.This club is domestically known as Tiraktor or Tiraktor Saziye Tabriz. Don't use sources from Turkey and Aran to back up that the club's nickname is "Red Wolves", if an Iranian source calls Galatasary "sari maymun kopek", does that mean they are the "yellow monkey dogs?, no they aren't. I can go on and on with the other deficiencies which carry political rhetoric in this article but everyone has to remember this is about FOOTBALL, NOT POLITICS OR FALSIFICATION OF HISTORY! Let's keep it this way.Migboy123 (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempts to politicize this article 

message: @Riza tbzli has been attempting to vandalize this article without any justification whatsoever, I wrote numerous times in the revision history and on his page to discuss what he is trying to change. He refuses to do this. There are no sources to justify the nickname "Red Wolves", there is no reason to add a "Turkish name" for this team, there is no link between a tractor and a wolf besides politicization. This guy is from Turkey, he is one of these "Pan-Turks" which is trying to politicize this article. I removed statements made that have gone for two years without a citation added even though there is a "citation needed" notification. Can anyone contact an admin or someone to stop this person? Migboy123 (talk) 04:11, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Reza Tbzli" has resumed edit warring (without edit summary/explanation) as soon as his block ended, thus once again violating WP:BRD and WP:WAR. I have given him another 3RR warning. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: Said "editor" was initially blocked for two weeks for persistent disruptive editing, but has now been indeffed due to an outright violation of WP:SOCK. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riza tbzli 

message: Azerbaijani Language is the language of the people living in the North-West of Iran. The Tractor Sazi is also corresponds to an Azerbaijani speaking part of this country. I don't know who deleted it from the first line. I am adding this as it was before, hope does not mean any conflict as I have discussed it with Mygboy123.--90Pluss (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijani 

message: ::(please do not talk about other topics in this section)
This club belongs to Iran turks and mostly Iran azerbaijanis and Tabriz city so the language of this ethnic group is Turkic languages and subcategory of that is Azerbaijani language so without any racist or separatist look or accuse somebody , why we can not add this sentence to this article:
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Also, Wikipedia knows this language and added this part of the Azerbaijanian language ( that code is :(azb) ) so if Wikipedia identify this language it doesn't need any additional discussion and I  this article.
Wikiyazan (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Tractor Sazi FC name in Azerbaijani language 

message: https://twitter.com/TractorOfficial/status/1142526540573564930  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiNutt (talk • contribs) 03:59, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tractor Sazi has officially changed their name to Tractor Azerbaijan  

message: this is the new name: GGBarBar (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  the new name is just "tractor" not "tractor azerbaijan" 

message: official accounts of this club is not this accounts. you can see persian wikipedia for confirmation my claim. https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84_%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1_%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%B2
official accounts information is:
instagram username is: https://www.instagram.com/tractorclub1970/
facebook is: https://www.facebook.com/Tractorazerbaijan1970
twitter is: https://twitter.com/Tractor_media
because of technical problem tractor s.c website is under construction.
you can check this information with club chief information officer in this email address: cio@tractor-club.com 
thank you. Haydihaydi (talk) 09:48, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: .  Social media links are generally not appropriate, so I've simply removed them all.  So the request is now moot.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2019 

message: aren't these dudes  &  &  sock accounts of User:Winterchillz? both restored not sourced content.GGBarBar (talk) 03:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  sock accounts & mass revert 

message: stop your mass reverts.
1.the new name is just "tractor" not "tractor azerbaijan". don't add your madeup name to this article.
2.stop restoring this non sourced parts. they were marked since 2017 and nobody provided any source for them.
3.either try elaborating here and bring your sources or i will report you to admins soon.GGBarBar (talk) 03:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  user:Loriserforc disruptive action 

message: Hi, official Instagram account of tractor is instagram
you can check in bottom section (footer) of official website. 
please write and link instagram account in resource section.
also please link official website tractor-club in resource section.--Amir a57 (talk) 07:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add link 

message: I created new kits in commons please someone add HerzogenaurachforAsia (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I created new kits in commons please someone add 

message: please let me to edit players and logo Namifarnam (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: - Only extended confirmed users can edit the page. Maranello10 (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2019 

message: Milad.mimo (talk) 08:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Trialpears (talk) 08:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 August 2019 

message: Please add Persepolis–Tractor rivalry section and mention that today, we were able to beat our usual opponent after 5 years. The Turks of the world are very happy now. It was a great victory for the Turks against the Iranians. Teraaactoor (talk) 16:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please see Rivals section. Dansiran (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victory over Persepolis of Iran after 5 years 

message: Sabotage on the page. This user has written abusive and ethnic insults. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shayanbukan
Please remove the offensive content and undo contents before this sabotage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haydihaydi (talk • contribs) 20:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sabotage on this article 

message: Two pictures in Fans section have been placed in the article by some racist people that wants to Defame the Tractor S.C. For your information: There are many racist movements in Iran against the Iranian Turks that are mostly fans of the Tractor Football Club Libao (talk) 11:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020 

message: hello i think the section about racism slogans of tractor fans is quite false maybe in some of matches this topic was too low visible per little  number of the fans but not everywhen this source is not a valid.there is violence in stadiums of iran.last year in the game between perspolis and sepahan got hurt damage to azadi stadium.media in iran are against turks for example in the section written that tractor fans chant against lurs and arabs while tractor fans and foulad khozestan fans are friendly both On the contrary iranian azerbaijanis always get hurt by racism slogans from perspolis fans they are always chanting that turks are donkey.i Regards request you to clear this section   or at least edit and add a section about racism slogans against tractor fans and azerbaijanis.i hope you mind to my request. Mrr.1997 (talk) 18:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , you may want to read the policy on reliable sources.  The first site is eye-gougingly awful to look at and unclear on its status as a RS, chiefly because it seems very amateur and biased.  The second source is a Persian-language video from a site that appears to allow users to contribute their own content and is not a RS for that reason.  In any event, your request asks us to flip the text essentially on its head due to a claim about one event with apparently 2 fans.  Even if we had RS for that, we wouldn't make such a reversal based on one incident.  It would possibly be appropriate to add more information about this incident. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020 

message: amakuru as a administrator how do you allow to change the truth?? Tractor fans are victim of racist. but in this article they have been accused of racism. funny!! 
The Fare network is an umbrella organisation of 124 members from 39 countries. Members are NGOs, fans, ethnic minority organisations, LGBT+ groups and others.
Farenet  in the global guide on june 2018, Explicitly declared the racist and hateful slogans against the Azeris(Turkish people) 
Link label
Reza.ozgur (talk) 10:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tractor fans often shout racial insults and calls to violence against the other ethnic groups" This is false and unfair 

message: amakuru  , trialpears as a administrator how do you allow to change the truth?? Tractor fans are victim of racist. but in this article they have been accused of racism. funny!! 
The Fare network is an umbrella organisation of 124 members from 39 countries. Members are NGOs, fans, ethnic minority organisations, LGBT+ groups and others.
Farenet  in the global guide on june 2018, Explicitly declared the racist and hateful slogans against the Azeris(Turkish people) 
Link label  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reza.ozgur (talk • contribs) 09:05, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tractor fans often shout racial insults and calls to violence against the other ethnic groups" This is false and unfair 

message: I think the sources and information in this section are biased and insecure. Iran's racist policy is known to the world. Although it is especially against the Azerbaijani Turks, this policy is now being applied to the Arabs in Iran. As a world person, that's why I don't trust Iran-based newspapers on political and racial issues. Iran is ruled by an oppressive and racist regime, and newspapers cannot remain neutral and accurate in such an environment. 
I have read in many reliable newspapers the racist rhetoric of Persian and Kurdish rival supporters against Azerbaijani Turks Tractor FC supporters. If the subject is racism and politics, the Iranian government's actions and insults against the Azerbaijani Turks should also be explained. I know that the Iranian government calls the Azerbaijani Turks cockroaches in the Iranian newspapers, and the Kurdish and Persian football fans call them donkeys in the football match. All the people of the world and Iranians know these facts. You cannot call Azerbaijani Turks tractor supporters racist without writing these facts. It is ruthlessness to do this while they are victims of Iranian racism. 
If the subject is racism and politics, there is much to be written about what was done to the Azerbaijani Turks in Iran. But this page is not about racism and politics. Our subject is an official and honorable football team. Please remove this section and do not mix sports and politics any more. There are other pages where these topics are discussed. This is not the place for it. Tractor FC is a value of its country and the world like other football teams. Keep this value and remove this section please. Özgür-asena (talk) 12:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The main source in that paragraph (Radio Farda) is not based in Iran at all, it's literally a US government source based in Czech Republic. How is that source "biased and insecure"? Even the actual Iranian source there is merely reporting on an image of fans carrying a foreign flag. The rest of your paragraph is just unsourced WP:OR, and has nothing to do with the justification for removing a sourced paragraph about Tractor Sazi F.C. As for "mixing sports and politics", see the Beitar Jerusalem F.C. page which is another football team with media-reported controversies over the racist hooligan behavior of its fans, that page includes its controversies and doesn't try to hide or whitewash them; the same thing should apply to this team also. -- Qahramani44 (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Remove Violence and racist slogans section  

message: The Azerbaijani lyrics and the English translation of the official anthem don't go in line. They are written in different orders. I don't know lining of which language is correct. 78.173.75.209 (talk) 14:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something wrong with the official anthem 

message: this article has many lies about Tractor S.C.
Despite some ethnic prejudices, Tractor fans are against racism and chant many slogans for the equal rights of ethnic groups in Iran. Although many of the said prejudices are also caused by the monopoly of Persian language in Iran.
They want to teach ethnic languages for each ethnic group and are against monolingual education in Iran.
Despite the fact that, according to statistics, Tractor is the most popular team in Iran, but due to numerous injustices and the support of the Iranian Football Federation to the Persepolis, Esteghlal and Sepahan teams, this team has never succeeded in winning the championship in the Premier League of Iran despite its great merit. Is. The biggest example of injustice towards Tractor team also happened in 2015 when they stole the championship trophy from Tabriz and gave it to Sepahan Isfahan. Saeeddo10 (talk) 08:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kpgjhpjm  09:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2023