Talk:Tsushima Island/Archive 1

message: Korean claims on the island: Settled a long time ago.  As not even the Korean government takes the actions of the Masan city government seriously, and as far as I know, the action would not constitute a formal dispute of ownership, I'm taking the Korean template off this page, as well as the (very cute) map with the Korean name.  Feel free to revert if you feel strongly enough about this, but I see no real reason for either. --Zonath 19:01, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
Just to reassert my revert; I agree with the removal of map, as it seems useless to me. However, I feel that the Korean name should be also be put up; as:
* Koreans also lay a significant claim on the island based on its history,
* It is a spot that can be a place for Korean-Japanese dispute at anytime in the future, like the Senkaku Islands of Japan. As of today, a sizeable proportion of the Koreans feel that Tsushima is part of their land, by looking at the Masan claim. If the Dokdo claim dissolves, Tsushima may be the next target for territorial disoute, therefore I feel that the Korean name should be placed up.
Tan 20:01, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed?

message: Tsushima-jima seems a purely administrative term. Since the possible etymology of Tsushima is tsu (port) + island (shima), Tsushima-jima sounds redundant. --Nanshu 06:27, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tsushima-jima

message: :In 1419, King Sejong of Joseon in Korea ordered his trusted general Yi Jong Mu to clear the island of the Wokou pirates. At this time, Tsushima came under the sphere of influence of Joseon. Owing to the lack of food on the islands, the local Japanese governor requested King Sejong to give help to the local inhabitants. In response, the king formally colonised and placed Tsushima as part of the Gyeongsang province, although Japan maintained claims to the island.
First of all, this is too detailed for the overall history of Tsushima. The details are to be put at Oei Invasion.
It is clear that Mr Tan checked only Korean sources. The incorporation of Tsushima into Gyeongsando was not accepted by So Sadamori. It was done by someone in Tsushima who tried to resume trade. Forgery of documents can frequently be found in Japan-Korea diplomacy. One cannot come to the truth without checking sources from all the parties. --Nanshu 04:10, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oei Invasion

message: If you go to this map here, Tsushima has islands, not Island. 
Also, it is very messy to give the names with brackets. Tsushima Islands, be it singular or plural, is still 島.
User:Mr Tan, 14:18, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsushima Island(s) [dup]

message: I wonder how long it will be up there--there is little work for improving. Mel, please work it out or the sign is going to be up there forever--it is very bad.
Tan 12:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You will have to learn to be patient, Mr. Tan. Not everybody thinks you and your articles are the center of the world. Waiting is good for the human character. Wait until someone comes along and fixes it. Do not write your grammar edits anymore, for the time being, as they are getting to be irritating. Fix your grammar and then come back. Mel is giving you another chance, but know that not all men are like him. You could get blocked indefinitely. Now if Mel wants to fix this himself, that's up to him. Don't go ordering people around bec. that's very rude. Use the subjunctive. JMBell° 12:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: He never learns. Yesterday, he changed "isles" to "islands," saying that they're not isles, but islands. With his extensive knowledge of English he should surely know that isles are islands. I must compile this stuff someday and put it on BJAODN, if only it didn't conflict with my ethics.... JMBell° 00:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I was going to leave him a message explaining this, but then decided just to change it back, as I think he's uneducable. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 08:54, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: Seeing as there's been a lot of controversy over the naming of disputed territories (and not just at this article), I decided to start a strawpoll at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (disputed place names). Since many people here are likely to have an opinion on this, I'm advertising it here. Please notify people whom you think might be interested. --Xiaopo ℑ 02:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A naming convention 

message: Editors contributing to this article might be interested in leaving their views at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 15:52, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: I've just reverted 's edits, as they removed material with nothing but an edit summary saying that it was "nonsense", and added a PoV claim. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 09:20, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming, etc. 

message: The section was quite doubtful so I removed whole section.  Author of this part should show evidence.  My comments are as follows:
* First paragraph.  I asked a number of Korean residents to the local government and it was 50.  I was also surprised at this small number.  It means demographic ratio of Korean is only 0.125% while it is 0.6~1% in mainland.  The official explained that economy depends on only fishing there so immigrants just pass Tsushima and go to mainland.  It is understandable for me.  So, Korean is not "a large minority" at Tsushima.  Of course, It is possible that there are many Korean-origin persons who have Japanese citizenship.  If author meant this, please show concrete number with evidence.
* Second paragraph.  Actually there are many signs in Koreans but they are for tourists.  Therefore, it is not evidence of heavy influence of Korea on language in Tsushima.  Show other evidence.
* Third paragraph.  It seems there are only few Korean residents.  How can they affect on religion in Tsushima?  There are more Koreans in mainland but I cannot find effect of "Korean Shamanism" here.
Anyway, I want to see the evidence.  I am afraid that the only evidence of the author was the article of newspaper...
:- placed by User:Corruptresearcher | talk | contribs
:If Tan wrote this, then it would be quite understandable... - JMBell° 13:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics and culture 

message: I replaced with a new map because:
* The old map was meant for Tsushima city (you can see a dot there, see Tsushima city]])
* No color
* More precise in terms of description
Tan 00:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map