Talk:Projective identification

message: Any case histories in reference?
[[It is not clear to this reader--a psychotherapist and anthropologist--how the processes described in the preceding paragraph differ from those of "ordinary" transference and counter-transference. Also, based on his clinical experience, it seems unlikely that projective identification can succeed if the "feelings or beliefs . . . were [truly] alien to" the therapist. That is, habitual users of this defense seem particularly adept at identifying persons who really do have issues with the quality they need to project--e..g., projecting rage into someone who is genuinely struggling to contain his or her own rage. Hence, the disruptiveness of a projective identification upon even a well-trained therapist.]] (moved from body of article ````)
Speaking as a case, I "projected" (created) my emotions in everyone I knew, not only therapists, and not only therapists vulnerable to a particular quality.  I was as unaware that I was doing it as I was unaware of my own feelings.  An example of counter-transference would be a therapist irritated by an innocuous patient who reminds him unconsciously of an annoying in-law.  An example of projective identification would be a therapist who knows he is irritated but not why, by a patient who really is annoying, perhaps subtly, deliberately, and unconsciously, because the patient is himself annoyed but is unaware of it due to repression (not allowing yourself to think about it) or depersonalization (internal numbness).  In specific, I transmitted frustration by "yes buts" when I honestly thought I was asking for help, anger by being provoking when I thought I was being earnest or humorous, and so on.  I did it for years until someone long-suffering stopped interpreting it to me and pointed it out to me instead.  That gave me the insight to begin to learn to control it and to try to question my feelings myself instead of spreading them by contagion.  --Minerva354 22:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe it or not a few months ago i actually improved the readability from the way it was. It is an intrinsically difficult subject but it is also a powerful concept and it still needs to be explained better. It is an extra element bolted onto psychological projection which i do understand. --Penbat (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have attempted to clarify the article in the (hellish!) light of the comments above; but would stress that PI is notoriously difficult for the Kleinian to convey, let alone a non-Kleinian like myself....There are at least a number of links built-in to sites where further (and often contrasting/complementary) views can be found by the curious on this complex but apparently fruitful concept.Jacobisq (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text: This comment is, unironically, better at explaining projective identification than the article itself. I wish it were suitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedic article. Once I have teased apart the thousands of different definitions of projective identification that seem to exist, I plan to clean up this article. Anditres (talk) 02:57, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

message: This article reads as if the word “identification” could just be left out of the expression. The phenomena being described could better be called “aggressive projection”, or “passive acceptance of projection”, or “mutual projection”.
What is it that in the original description by Klein, called for the term “identification”?- Wwallacee (talk) 04:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The recipient introjects what is being projected into them, thus identifying with it. I've heard an alternative explanation though, which is that the person doing the projecting continues to identify with what they are projecting (whereas in projection they do not, as that is the whole point of projection) but I think the first one is what Klein meant. Anditres (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does “identification” mean?