Talk:Final Fantasy XI/Archive 1

message: The beta for the 360 version is currently underway, not yet in NA (that starts on the 17th), i think this is worth mentioning since players get to play the full game, with both expansions and for free until the release. Then when it is released the 360 version will feature the game and all 3 expansions (which is honostly a really goood deal). I think this is noteworthy in the main article. Tik 14:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current 360 beta

message: To Todfox:
Thank you for fixing up my contribution, but you to be more specific on what you mean when you say "sweatshop". A 1up article said the same thing, but it made sure to mention it isn't the same type of sweatshop that people think of.
:Do you have suggestions about what might make it clearer? How does it differ from other sweatshops? I believe the main MMORPG article also links to the sweatshop article so it might be something that needs fixing there too, unless this is FF11 specific.Kit 12:17:20, 2005-08-02 (UTC)
::OK, I went and read the 1up article (it is linked off of MMORPG, but I don't see how the video game sweatshops differ from our normal use of the term in non-videogame environs. They may not be making Nike sneakers, but they we're talking about hundreds of warehoused workers working 14 hours days, some of them living at their office, and earning as little as 56 cents an hour. How does this not qualify as a sweatshop? To me, the 1up article makes it sound like the term is appropriate Kit 12:27:45, 2005-08-02 (UTC)
:::When I read "sweatshops" I was thinking those nineteenth century warehouses with no windows, un-safe working conditions, and heavy machinery often causing all sorts of fatigue and illness to occur from operation. I believe even the 1up article said it isn't what people know sweatshops to be, that's it's an air-conditioned building where a person just simply sits and watches all day long, it's not as though they are experiencing heavy labor. ~--Talv 17:57, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gil Sweatshops 

message: The controversy section needs to be cleaned up. It sounds like it was written by someone who has a very negative attitude towards companies that sell in-game currency. Perhaps a section that details the views of both sides would be appropriate. This article sounds like it is the opinion of someone, not something that is factual. Iamblueman4 04:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering how that can be done? Let's look at the facts: gil-selling is against in-game policy, the actual process of collecting gil in mass amounts is disruptive to the game play of others, the selling of online currency is a debatable action, and the obtaining of sold gil only helps to ruin the economy. I realize there is something to be said that those that may benefit from it, but the general consensus is that gil-selling is bad, economically desctructive, and not reguarded as good by the vast majority of the community.--Talv 12:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm surprised that while there is mention of predjudice in regard to what classes are "good" or "gimp" there is no mention of predjudice based on virtual race. For example I played as an elvaan red mage, and quit due to the counteless times I was told I was a "stupid n00b" simply for not being the race that has the largest maximum magic point count. -AnonimusPasserby(new to wiki, and thus not editing it myself ^^)
I've made a stab at cleaning up the Real Money Trade section, transforming it into what I think is a more NPOV. — Xenoveritas 18:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Hi. I personally find that the article on FFXI is just a tad too wordy and messy. I believe this is due to a long period of people adding content without formatting the article. I am currently working on reformatting the article without changing too much of the original meaning. I hope my edits are acceptable to everyone. --Silverelf 19:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lengthy Article. 

message: Hello all,
This was my first edit, and i hope i did not mess up too horribly. I wanted to simply add that there are MANY different job/subjob combos that I have seen perform quite well. However, do to a seemingly ever increasing movement to quash individual thinking, many of these combos will never be seen outside of a moghouse; unless of course there is an attitude shift that will make a given combo valid in the eyes of the general game populous.
To be brief, I will only give one example of a combo that has only recently been given the nod of possibly promising - RDM/DRK. 
When i began the game ~2 years ago, this combo was known to elicit many a groan when it was the only refreshing job seeking for a pt. This groan was quickly followed by the question, "Do u have whm or blm sub?" Of course this combo was endured if no other RDM popped up, but if many RDM were seeking (or even just online and not /anon), no invite for "that n00b RDM".
Recently though, I got into a 70+ experience/limit point party and to my surprise the RDM was RDM/DRK. And was quite proud of his/her combo. And for those wondering, that was a 20k over 4 and a quarter hour pt. Not bad, the chains came and went....and he was a melee RDM as well.
Made me want to give an unorthodox combo a try sometime myself.
68.209.16.174 02:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My First Edit - Controversy Intro 

message: I just made a fairly significant edit to the Ninja description, as it was twice as long as any other job's section in the main article and contained a lot of information better suited to the individual job's page.  Please read and let me know if I took anything necessary out. RaCha'ar 23:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Ninja rewrite

message: Yeah.
/** "Leave"
/wait 5
/ja "Charm" <t>
Full health. No gimp. Just waiting too long to recharm the mob. -Zero http://www.teamavengers.org/ffxiclopedia/index.php/User:Zero
:If there was no mention whatsoever of the "beastmaster gimp" in the article, somebody would come along and edit it in.  We've presented it in about the most neutral way possible; people believe it to have happened. If the article stated definitively that it hasn't someone else would come in and scream that the gimp is there and omg why don't we say so, and we'd have another edit war on our hands.  It's not Wiki's place to weigh in on one side of the issue or another.  Please stop changing this (not directed at you, necessarily, but at everyone who edits the article). -RaCha'ar 22:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I plan to go through and find refereneces to articles on FFXI pages which discuss these changes. However, it's hard to find anything that's not just on a forum page. lol -- čĥàñľōŕď 00:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poor BST. Its very unlikely, but I wonder of all these sudden radical changes to some jobs' gameplay has something to do with the upcoming expansion. It would be nice to get new stuff for the already existing jobs...although a more logical explanation is that its just to balance something with the new jobs.--Kiyosuki 22:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beastmaster Gimp