Talk:Teqoa

message: Is there a source that shows that the road sign is misspelled? or an official source for the Arabic spelling? gren グレン 09:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Our article on Tekoa shows the same sign as directing motorists to the Israeli village of Tekoa, not the Palestinian Tuqu'. That would explain the difference in spelling. Unless someone can verify that that sign actually directs people to the Palestinian town, I'll remove it from this article. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 12:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very complex situation. Tuqu' is the name used by the PCBS (that's it). Other sources cited in the article use Taqu', Taqua', Teqoa', Thacua, Tequ' and Tequa'. I would think that the sign refers to the Palestinian town since there is a "q" used instead of a "k" and it ends in an apostrophe. I also noticed the Israeli CBS spellings differ from the spellings of Arab towns on signs in the Galilee. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the source of the picture is certain that the road sign was photographed at the junction of the Jewish village, not the Arab one which is further south. Israeli signage most often uses the q in the middle of words though the vast majority of prefer use of the k for those sounds. Petach Tiqwa is one unpopular official spelling for instance. --Shuki (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: In that case, I'll remove the image. Thanks for clarifying! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: The last paragraph about local elections. Can more information about the 'Hamas-backed Reform list' be provided? Is there an article about this party that could be linked here? Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 18:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really a political party itself. In the Palestinian local elections, candidates from political parties like Hamas, Fatah, the PFLP, PPP, FIDA and others did not list the names of the parties they belonged to or sympathized with. Instead they joined lists representative of, backed, promoted, and funded by their actual parties. Reform and Reform and Change were basically Hamas, Brotherhood and Development and Abnaa al-Balad were the PFLP, Future Palestine was Fatah, Construction and Development was the PPP, Our Country was the DFLP, and so on. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Were these local parties (even if only an organized group) to Tuqu and surrounding area, or other areas also had these parties? --Shuki (talk) 19:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The other areas generally had these parties as well, but lists in some cities and towns used names like Martyrs of Kafr Rai or United Bethlehem, etc. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  politics 

message: The town of Tuqu is located to the north and north-east of Khirbet Tuqu, which is an ancient site.  I cannot identify anything 2km to the west in archaeological sources.  Actually it seems that ancient Tekoa is identified with Khirbet Tuqu in some sources.  So it is a bit confusing.  I'm not confident that "This Week in Palestine" is an adequate source.  Zerotalk 03:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Kh Tuqu can be seen here, areal photo, p. 6 being in the southern part of the village. An editor started Tekoa (ancient town), and simply moved stuff that had previously been in this article over there. Including the 1596-data. But  the HA-info (grid: 170/115) clearly is  Kh Tuqu. Same with the Pringle-ref:The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem     SWP, 1883, p. 368 wrote that "it is still inhabited by a few persons ling in the caves". I cannot find it in the 1922, 1931 or 1945-data.  At the time of SWP, they seem not to have been completely sure that this was ancient Tekoa, see p. 314. But from what I can see of the snippet view of Pringle, newer excavations have confirmed that Kh Tuqu was ancient Tekoa. I´ll ask the editor who did the split to join the discussion, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

text: "Church of St Amos", is grid 1701.1157, as given by Pringle, p. 348. That is clearly Kh Tuqu. Huldra (talk) 15:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I support remerging the articles. And I suggest not mentioning the "2km west" unless a source better than This Week in Palestine is found. Zerotalk 21:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I have remerged the articles, will add the SWP-stuff, etc, Huldra (talk) 14:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree about the merge, the article should have never been split. For the record, Khirbet Tuqu' is under the local jurisdiction of modern Tuqu'. About the This Week in Palestine source, would argue that the author, Mitri Raheb, is a reliable source. I think the info should be reinstated, and if necessary attributed to Raheb. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad you agree that the article never should have been split.  As for the This Week in Palestine source; reinsert  if you like, but I just did not understand "relocated approximately two kilometers west of the ancient site", or rather, I do not get that to fit with the  areal photo, p. 6. From the areal photo, it more looks as if the "new" village is to the north and east  of the ancient site (The ancient  site  marked (3) Khirbet Tuqu) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a chance that Raheb is using a source which indicates the ancient Tekoa as being at a place other than Kh. Tuqu.  The problem is that I don't see any archaeological site at all in the required place, in catalogues or detailed maps.  It would be nice to understand this better. Zerotalk 03:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, not sure about the situation and researching it is a bit frustrating because of the numerous spellings of the place. I guess we could hold off mentioning Raheb's designation of the old site, but still use other information from that article. Sorry for the late reply by the way. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  location and history 

message: Last paragraph in the "Archaeology"-section starts with: "Various ruins were seen at the site in around 1875. These included .." 
This is  then referenced to a book...published in 1865. Well done! Huldra (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prescience? 

message: A map was deleted on the assertion that it had to relate to archeological evidence.  I see no such requirement.  The map relates to the text. Which relates to the history from the Bible. There is no requirement that it be based on archeological evidence. --Epeefleche (talk) 23:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: At the very least, it shouldn't be labeled as if it is a factual map.  It should be labeled as someone's interpretation of the bible. Zerotalk 06:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

text: And that being so, the case for inclusion in the article is pretty weak.  Wikipedia is not supposed to look like a bible commentary. Zerotalk 14:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm open to any suggestions on the label.  But the bible is part of history, and text and images re the bible naturally accompany all manner of biblical persons and places at the project. Epeefleche (talk) 15:20, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The bible as a book is part of history, but the bible as a text has a difficult interaction with history.  Artists' impressions of what the bible might mean are not part of history at all.  The time has come for you to stop inserting this material without consensus. Also see WP:BURDEN.  Zerotalk 01:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Epeefleche: should we replace History of the Earth with the Bible 7-day version? Seriously; modern Israeli archaeology clearly indicate that the Bible-version of Rehoboam's Kingdom of Judah is not correct. In other words; to create a balance with your map, we would have to include that, too. But that would make most of this article (and many, many others) to be about this controversy, and not about the  village/town.  Which would be rather silly, don´t you think? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's of course an absurd example. But we should not -- as you and Zero wish to tag-team your edits to effect -- delete any reference to the history here that is not to your liking due to your POV. (Zero's argument that the Bible has a "difficult interaction with history" would not I am certain gains consensus support at a board discussion -- where, as here, the RSs are providing the support ... that I am fairly confident of.) There is a direct RS-supported reason to reflect this.  I can only think of blatant improper exercise of POV by you and Zero that would lead to the deletion. Your responses fail to explain another reason. And, since Zero is a sysop, he has a special obligation not to engage in POV-editing, per wp:admin.  --Epeefleche (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not "deleting any reference to the history here that is not to your liking due to your POV"; I am pointing out that the map you wanted to include is a highly contested one. By just putting this one-sided view into the article, we are not fulfilling WP:NPOV. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The articles about the modern Arab town, and about the Israeli settlement, both also deal with the wider area - Wadi Khureitoun, caves, etc. It makes no sense whatsoever to put one's head in the sand and to remove even such "innocent" means of linking the info, for the user's benefit, as are the "(see) also" tags under the respective headings. This doesn't change the Oslo Accords or the future of the Middle East, but it sure does help the user get a maximum of info and the easiest access to it. Thanks and cheers, Arminden (talk) 12:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[See] also" tags for archaeology 

message: See Talk:Palestinian Bedouin#Ta'amreh tribe deserves mention. These 'Arab al-Ta'amireh or whatever version of the name & spelling you prefer are hidden away on Wiki, and they have an important presence in the Bethlehem area. Arminden (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Wrote a section only based on Wikilinks, plenty of them. You can add refs if you want. Created redirects for every spelling variant I came across. Arminden (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ta'amreh Wiki mystery