Talk:ANAK Society

message: A number of errors have perpetuated regarding ANAK's founding vice president in 1908. Sources can't seem to agree on what the guy's name was. A brief overview of the variations:
Source                                         	Spelling
1908 Blue Print, p. 37 (senior profile)        	Harry Reid Vaughan
1908 Blue Print, p. 98 (Phi Kappa Sigma roster)	Harry Read Vaughn
1908 Blue Print, p. 145 (Anak Society roster)  	C. H. Vaughn
ANAK Society website (history)                 	C. H. Baughn
ANAK Society website (members)                 	Harry Read Vaughan
Georgia Tech Archives website                  	C. H. Baughn
1997 Technique article                         	C. H. Baughn
What's going on here? My guess is like a game of Chinese whispers, the VP's name has slowly gotten more and more corrupted over the years as each source relies on the one before it. At this point I'm confident his first name is Harry, his middle name is either Reid or Read, and his last name is either Vaughan or Vaughn. For consistency, I'm using the spelling Harry Read Vaughan in the article. Here's my rationale:
* "C. H. Vaughn" only appears once in the 1908 Blue Print, while Harry Vaughan's name appears many times. If C. H. Vaughn was, in fact, the VP of Anak in 1908, he would definitely have a senior profile in the yearbook, and he doesn't. In fact, I've never found any other mention of a "C. H. Vaughn." I think it's just a typo (I've found many in that edition of the Blue Print.)
* Harry Vaughan's senior profile lists one of his activities as Anak, making a clear connection between him and Anak. By matching up his senior profile photo with the group photo, we can easily identify Vaughan standing in the front row of the 1908 Anak group photo next to the other three officers, suggesting that he's an officer as well. Everybody else in the photo is accounted for (again, by matching up photos).
* There's no compelling reason to pick "Reid" or "Read." It seems that Vaughan's name would most likely be spelled properly in his senior profile, where his photo, activities, major, age, and other information is also present. In the senior profile, his name is spelled "Harry Reid Vaughan." On ANAK's website for the 1908 membership roster and the Phi Kappa Sigma roster, however, the middle name is listed as "Read." Because this spelling is simply more prevalent, I've arbitrarily chosen to use it.
* "Baughn" is almost certainly a typo for "Vaughn." "Vaughan" is a far more commonplace spelling than "Vaughn"; certainly not foolproof, but worth considering.
There are probably other ways to get a more definitive answer but I haven't pursued them yet. Comments or additional effort in solving this puzzle is appreciated.
MaxVeers (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1908 ANAK Vice President 

message: What does "ANAK" mean?  Is it an acronym, a made-up word, or what? 162.84.185.128 (talk) 05:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's ever discussed in any of the source material, at least, not that we've found. If you find something that does discuss the name, be sure to tell us about it here. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Good question. I just added a section addressing it but it might be too speculative/OR to stay. MaxVeers (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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*Influence section, Student orgainzations subsection, second paragraph. The first sentence starts "Following the Blue Print, ANAK ..." I think it would flow better from the previous paragraph if it said something like "Following the founding of the Blue Print..." The current transistion is a bit jarring and the current phrase is a bit unclear (At first reading, I first thought that they were literally following the blue print.)Also, this paragraph is a bit short, and choppy, with only two sentences. Perhaps one more fact about the newspaper could be found? If it can't, it's not a big deal, it's just a bit choppy, and there isn't a good way to merge this with the surrounding paragraphs.
:Done.  Rephrased and added an additional sentence about the first staff of the Technique. MaxVeers (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  MaxVeers (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  MaxVeers (talk) 22:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  Left the information about the controversy and removed the subsequent mention of the YMCA's relationship to the ANAK Society. MaxVeers (talk) 22:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  Moved citation closer to direct quotation. MaxVeers (talk) 22:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  The reference to controversy was already there, but I added a bit of information about the name and reorganized the lead to accomodate it. MaxVeers (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  Removed the last paragraph, which was mostly original research by me disguised as "obvious" observations. Also added a fact tag to one sentence, but this should still be acceptable for Good Article status as it is not a particularly contentious point. I simply haven't yet had time to look up the reference. MaxVeers (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I spent a lot of time figuring that out in March 2007, going as far as creating a template about it; as far as I can tell, the powers that be (or at least, the individuals I dealt with) are okay with us using images to describe things such as this, especially in a historical context. Oddly enough, I've tried to get one of those images replaced with a free equivalent that I took myself, and I've had trouble getting someone to delete the conditional-use image. Just in case, though, MaxVeers and I have added detailed fair use rationales to the relevant image description pages. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd hate for this excellent article to have issues with the images, and would rather confess my ignorance of the whole fair-use policy than lead folks astray. Progress is looking good!Ealdgyth | Talk 02:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just waiting on that last citation on the third paragraph of the Name and symbology section. Ealdgyth | Talk 05:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Please see above for a summary. MaxVeers (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: This article is mostly cited to primary sources such as the university itself, or the secret society itself, which leads to verifiability issues if the source for a secret society is itself Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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