Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2007/Archive 1

message: I have removed the section because it was copied directly from the article referenced below. The information was unrelated to ESC 2007 as it contained information about the ESC 2006 voting procedure and other useless facts. Currently very little is known about next year's contest. Loool 11:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed section Other Facts

message: *What about Serbia and Montenegro ?86.207.55.131 21:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serbia and Montenegro

message: I heard that Kosovo would like to participate next year and also there will be much more strict rules about each country participaetion.(Source:Macedonian newspaper Vest @ www.vest.com.mk
*As, for the time being, Kosovo is neither independent nor an EBU member, we'd best wait before speculating on that one. Jess Cully 17:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosovo?

message: There are already rumours in Finland, that YLE is interested in making Conan one of the presenters. 159753 14:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Won't happen. It'd be as likely for them to put Matti Nykänen as the presenter as Conan O'Brien. --HJV 21:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: But Conan O'Brien might do it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.181.214.51 (talk) 04:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: doesnt seem likely, but one can always hope ;) --chandler 04:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conan O'Brian

message: Why does the map in the aricle show that Israel and The Netherlands probably will pull out? I haven't heard something about it.
:The map was produced when it was suspected that those two participants were likely to pull out. These rumours have now vanished, so the map is out of date. 0plusminus0 18:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated. —Nightstallion (?) 23:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pull-out?

message: In 2006, Finland presented the first ever hard rock song in Eurovision, and instantly won. What will they do in 2007? Sing traditional "crying songs" from Karelia? JIP | Talk 16:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland? 

message: Can anyone explain why the article has been replaced with a 'copyright violation' notice? On the given link, I can't find anything that seems to have been in the article. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do so! Thank you! - Lewis R « т · c » 15:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually have no idea what's going on there? It's really annoying, hopefully wikipedia sort it out soon... - TF100
I dont care if I wasnt allowed to remove that copyright violation notice, but that is only suppose to be used when most of or the entire page is copyright violation and its not the case in this article. Also, the Oikotimes article posted as proof of copyright violation has nothing to do with any of the information present on the page. If there is a small reference that hasnt been cited, it doesnt mean that the whole page should be blocked. Evilperson 20 21:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Possible Copyright Violation'

message: ORF just confirmed it, source in German is here. —Nightstallion (?) 15:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austria's in. 

message: I think Kazakhstan has broadcasted the contest for some years now. Are they members of EBU? And could enter the contest in 2007? --213.64.150.45 12:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  according to , you are wrong, they cannot join. --androl 15:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakhstan?

message: What would happen if Italy rejoined the ESC and thus made the Big Four the Big Five? Would the tenth country from last year's final have to go to the qualification round to allow Italy its automatic qualification? —Nightstallion (?) 00:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, okay. And is there really no way that more than 40 countries can participate? I'd think it would be better if there were more participants, no? —Nightstallion (?) 13:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I figured as much. So, what's the deal with the arbitrary cap of 40 countries? What happens if there are more entrants than that? Do some have to concede, or can all participate somehow? —Nightstallion (?) 10:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy? 

message: I have a question about Russia.I recently watched the 2004 edition,and I saw that Yana Churikova said that now votes the biggest country in the world.However it was unclear for me about the voting:Does all Russia (including Asian part have televoting or only the European part?)
* All of Russia can vote, although in reality the vast majority of votes come from the European part, I should imagine, as it would be around 5 or 6 AM in parts of Asian Russia by the time it came to vote. What interests me more is whether the DOM of France (such as French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Réunion, French Guiana, Martinique etc etc), who are legally as much a part of France as Paris is, get to vote? -- TF100 18:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The voting system,and Russia

message: I have a question.  Should'nt the box with the individual entries say "FYR Macedonia" instead of "Republic of Macedonia" since that is how the EBU recognises them? Also it is a shorter name to put into the box. Wikiwow12 01:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually to get technical the name is disputed and the UN and EU also know it by FYR Macedonia. 68.37.213.40 17:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the official international recognised name by the EU, NATO, ect. and the EBU is FYR Macedonia.  But the constitutional name is the Republic of Macedonia.  But shouldnt we write it as it is recognised by the EBU since this is an EBU event? Wikiwow12 09:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Entries in the Eurovision Song Contest 2007  

message: It would be good if someone fixed the map to reflect the fact that Serbia and Montenegro are now separate countries. --Dzordzm 01:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the map to reflect Serbia and Montenegro as separate countries. Greekboy 17:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You did it a little bit wrong. You placed Pljevlja within Serbia; the boundary should go just a little bit northwards. :p --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Indeed, user Mb731 is right - you painted a part of Turkey green and the rest of the country red. :D --Djordje D. Bozovic 17:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Sorry, I'm not a native speaker of English, so forgive my mistakes =)) I meant that part of the one and only Turkey which borders Bulgaria to the northwest :P Mb731 17:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright it is fixed.  Feel free to let me know of any other mistakes. Greekboy 18:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The map needs a different colour system, changing blue since Blue is not suppose to be used in maps (as it represents water) Evilperson 20 02:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Alright.  I re-uploaded a new version of the map with purple substituting blue. Greekboy 03:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  map 

message: It was pretty embarrassing but we nearly had Cyndi going to Helsinki because, Terry and Fearne messed it up!! Anyway Scooch is typically Eurovision, well for us lately anyway... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.35.121.138 (talk) 15:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK cock-up! 

message: There seems to be a tacit agreement on the ethnic rotation of Bosnia's Eurovision entries, much like its presidency. According to this agreement, it is the Serbs' turn this year. I have found a couple of references to this on Eurovision fan sites. Does anyone have anything more substantial on this? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 05:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This will never be much more than speculation and original research. Yes they obviously do take care of the ethnic key but it was never official policy and you won't find anything in credible sources. --Dzordzm 06:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bosnia's ''ethnic key'' 

message: I've removed the '2007-07-12' date from the subtitles, and simplified them to just final and semi-final. I don't think that date format is suggested by the Wikipedia manual of style, nor is it common in UK English or ROI English (someone correct me if Malta uses it). 
I appreciate the other Eurovision pages use that format too. I'll gladly change them all if no one objects. Dmn € Դմն 18:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a little late, but if you set your preferred date format in your user preferences, that date format will automatically be converted for you. Vashti 22:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Isn't it funny that Serbia is represented by a Turkish-origin woman (Marija Serifovic) and Montenegro by a Scotsman (Stevan Faddy)? ;D --PaxEquilibrium 15:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Her grandfather has Turkish blood, and that's why her last name is Šerifović. She said that on Turkish TV http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/arhiva/2007/april/03/ST-03-03042007.shtml That is common Muslim last name in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Also some other Serbs have similar last names because Serbia was under Ottoman empire. I don't know about Stevan. Smooth O 20:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Serifovic is her mother's surname, not father's. --PaxEquilibrium 09:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbia and Montenegro 

message: [edit] Problem with Eurovision winners link
It seems that somebody is having the time of his life by spreading farcical information on several Eurovision winners. As I am French and try to get information for the French Wikipedia Eurovision winners section, I am a bit annoyed. At first, I noticed the joke on the Linda Martin link where she is described as "heavily botoxed", at first I was hugely amused (although I have no idea how she looks) but thought administrators were seeing to that because in the discussion page, there was a reminder of how they wanted the article. Then it started to occur to me that while creating some links for the French pages, I had discarded information that sounded strange or out of place and yesterday I realized that there is somebody having fun. I think all winners links should be looked at by administrators especially Linda Martin, Bobbysocks and the clairvoyant story, Udo Jürgens described as a womanizer (perhaps it's true but on a Wikipedia page, it does not sound serious) and his "family links", Massiel's birthdate and place and strange "political" biography, I don't think the Spanish link mentions it and perhaps Teddy Scholten or I can't remember who is supposed to have a hit by "recording instrumental versions of The Shadows' hit. Consequently, I'm not sure I can rely on the English version to create links for the French version. Something like "heavily botoxed" has no consequence because you know immediately it's a joke but more troublesome are other information that do not sound farcical and might be repeated and translated on other links out of good faith.
Kindest regards,
P.R —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.79.228.47 (talk) 06:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with Eurovision winners link 

message: Just so you all know, i updated the Semi-Final table with the Macedonian's Song's Languages as today it was announced that it would be sung in Macedonian and English on esctoday.com Celticfan383 06:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On a further note, I noticed you changed the spelling of her name.  I changed it back to how it was.  That is how it appears on the official CD, and how she will participate in ESC. Greekboy 15:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I could've sworn it's shown as just Karolina in the SF and F. Shall we leave it at Karolina? Celticfan383 15:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She will spell her last name with a ch.  I guess for easier pronunciation. Here is the back cover  Greekboy 15:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose then they couldn't get the proper spelling in that font, lol ! I know it's for easier pronounciation, but to make it even easier and to stop arguments should we put it as 'Karolina' ? Celticfan383 15:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well the ESC people can get fonts.  So I don't think thats the problem.  Usually what is on the CD is what the participation will be.  Maybe we need an outside opinion on this one.  I would prefer someone not 'attached' to the entry to be un-biased.  Not a big issue, but just minor disagreement. :) Greekboy 16:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but surely it should be Karolina. Can we have an outside opinion please ? Celticfan383 16:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYR Macedonia Bi-Lingual 

message: Who are the "Big 4"?  Why are they not on the Map thing either?
:United KingdomFranceSpainGermanyThese are the 4 main financial providers for the Eurovision Song Contest and the European Broadcasting Union (EBU).  They are on the map and under 2006 qualifiers (green).  For more information see this link -- Chris as I am Chris 16:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In additional information, if Italy re-entered the contest, which they may do very soon, the Big 4 would become the Big 5, as under the money needed to participate rules, Italy would become one of the biggest payers into the contest ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email| 18:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big4Who

message: You guys made my day tonight. I was updating the Final List while it was being announced and when I was going to save I had a problem with my connection. When I got it back, I saw that someone had already updated the list. It made me feel that I am not alone. Thank you. --Nauki 22:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was also gonna do it lol, i got beaten to it...! ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email| 18:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks 

message: Does anyone know when the exact results from the semi-final will be published? I mean, which country in the semi-final got the most votes, who got second most votes, etc.
Thanks!
DJ Dritt 13:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After final i think Smooth O 17:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be released after the Final with the Final results table. Then all the Easten Europe vs Western Europe can hopefully be settled...¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email| 18:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact Semi-Final Results 

message: Are there any polls or something? 
I hear they're mass-betting on who will win, and the amount of interest is larger for those who "probably won't pass" and very little for the "winning ones"... --PaxEquilibrium 00:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polls 

message: Will the votes be presented in the same way as last year (1-7 automatically, then the spokeperson says 8, 10 and 12) or something different? In my opinion, spokeperson should read votes 6 and 7 too, it isn't boring to me. In the new way, it's hard to keep the track of the score table. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bosco adventure (talk • contribs) 07:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How will the votes be presented? 

message: A map is very useful, but with this colors you get blind, they are much too bright. Those who are in the finale should have more satiation, the others should have less, also the water. The first map is obsolete to me. Could this be changed, please... --Abe Lincoln 18:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors in map - I'm getting blind 

message: What's the name of the Swedish points presenter guy? Lady BlahDeBlah 21:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: André Pops —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xhandler (talk • contribs) 22:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Points reps 

message: I don't see a reference to that the points from the semi final have been official. The Eurovision page is terrible though, impossible to find anything there. In a way, it's amazing things like this almost come first on Wikipedia. :) - Jetro 23:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi final points 

message: So, I'm watching the show online from here in the states, and I don't know what all the fuss was about when Russia would get "boo"d for 12 point votes.  I thought there was a comment from one of the countries giving results about a hockey game?  I know they were in a hockey stadium, but is there anything more to it?  From the States, I don't hear nearly enough about all of Europe's political/social conflicts, mostly just those affecting ... well, the Big4.
Westleyd 23:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eastern Europe is still recovering from War Time Europe, especially the Cold War, so much of East Europe vote for neighbours and the so called Bear, Russia to keep the peace.  Generally, Northern and Western Europe are unhappy as at present "Block Voting" is taking place. -- Chris as I am Chris 00:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well they boo'd that the "east-bloc" only votes for the east-bloc, and they have done that since they joined the competition. Think it was the same thing the last time it was hold in a west/north-bloc country. For ex. Slovenia gave Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia 12-10-8 points (don't remember the order of the points for each country though)... Its probably because so many Serbs, Bosnians etc. live in other parts of Fr. Yugoslavia. Same thing with most of the Soviet states. --chandler 00:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Finland won against Russia in hockey and finns were upset that Russia had more points then Finland, but maybe I'm wrong. DVoit 03:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Because their song sucked? No way it deserved 12 points from anyone!  Grue  07:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Many finns have still negative feelings about Russia, especially now because of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn -thing. I was surprised when Estonia gave 12 points to Russia. People also didn't like when many ex-soviet states gave all the highest points to Russia and neighboring countries. I'm finn myself. 62.78.227.229 08:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are forgetting that Estonia has a large russian minority DVoit 10:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes its the same with ex-soviet states and Yugoslavian, they're very spread out... which gives them a big, big advance, Is almost as if every country split up in 5-10 parts... they would get votes from eachother too —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xhandler (talk • contribs) 10:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In fact, as a Finn I guess that the booing is because of the recent situation in Estonia, where the authorities of Estonia decided to move a statue commemorating russian soldiers. Many Finns think that Russia has reacted in an inapproppriate and perhaps imperialistic way, although there are many who also think that Estonia did not handle the statue issue very appropriately either. This is just one link that gives some insight on this unfortunate development http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1763607.ece Sunherd , 14:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was Finland upset over Russian votes? 

message: I can't find any precise info on previous running orders, but isn't it the case that Lordi's (last year's winners) opening the show is unusual? I don't remember it having happened before. Anyone know/remember? 82.13.83.244 23:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia - Lordi 

message: The scoreboard needs some major work.  Please see Eurovision 2006 for an example.  All these have to look alike, as it is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Eurovision.  Can someone fix the 2007 one? Greekboy 06:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: don't know if someone is updating... but here's a complete score sheet http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/scoreboards/2007/final.html --chandler 07:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I spent a lot of time converting the HTML table to 'Wikitable' CSS code yesterday, this should be the norm. Since then the scores have been updated, but someone has reordered all the countries alphabetically. Whether this should be done for all previous years should be decided on concensus, but the HTML is definately unecessary and adds about 20,000 characters to each article. ~~ Peteb16 10:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's much more easy just to copy in all the scores from http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/scoreboards/2007/final.html I put them in the order shown there. --chandler 12:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, but does everyone else agree and should we do this for all the tables? ~~ Peteb16 14:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No.  It should be ordered by running order, then the draw for voting.  They did the draw for a reason, and since it is the scoreboard, I think it should be in it. Greekboy 16:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it should be ordered by the voting order (from Montenegro to Hungary) not alphabetical. Mb731 17:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoreboard 

message: I might be wrong but wasn't England joint 22nd with France? It's down at the moment that France was 22nd and England was 23rd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.199.219 (talk) 11:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no look here http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/scoreboards/2007/final.html it states it clear... --chandler 12:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Most likely because France was voted for by more countries than the UK. ~~ Peteb16 14:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  England =22? 

message: Concerning that it is a competition between countries, it's impossible to avoid the political friendly vote, even that we hear all these controversies all the time. The rule that you can't vote for your own country is obvious. There are 2 ways of counting the votes: in absolute total values at the european level but the results announcing show will be missing and bigger countries would have a more significant voting role, or the actual system (each country giving points depending on an hierarchy of votes - as it is now -, or, maybe, according to the percentages, but it's a lot more complicated and this encourages voting in just one direction for a higher percentage).
I resume the voting system in this way: each of the 24 countries in the Final has designated a representative as a music competitor who has to vote for his opponents (best 10 of 23 receive points), but his vote is given by his country audience.
The only thing we need to discuss is that is better or not allowing just the countries involved in SF, respectively F to vote and not all of them in both cases. The problem is just financially, but it is in opposition with the correctness of the competition. The best solution is just the countries involved to be allowed to vote! You can vote in both SF and F if your country qualifies from SF to F, only in SF if it doesn't, only in F if it is directly qualified in F. The SF to F countries will not be in such a great advantage as they are now, due to the fact that there will be just 10 of 28 countries to vote them the second time and 14 new ones! The political vote between countries will be at a minimum possible!
Daniel77o 20:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, yes it might even make for a better show. The losing singers might improvise a more entertaining and more original performance ;) 62.2.236.130 13:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should make a paragraph or article about the voting system pros and cons 

message: OK we know her name is Marija Serifovic. Can anyone give us the names of the Serbian dynamites that have also appeared on stage? Parrisia 20:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bottom right corner of this  page. Meelosh 12:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbia's backing vocalists 

message: Look the way they seperate tied countries is number of 12 points awarded (see 1991 Sweden-France), NOT on number of countries - the UK received 1 12 points, France none,therefore the UK came 22nd, ahead of France. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.152.195.165 (talk) 20:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the offical site makes the UK at 23rd (See bottom of page. --AxG 20:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If the tying songs received votes from the same number of countries - France received five votes, UK two. Everyone except BBC News, IIRC, gives the UK as either 23rd or second-to-last. Even eurovision.tv gives UK as 23rd. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 03:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK in 22nd place 

message: A lot of countries have been upset by the semi final results and are threatening to withdraw in 2008 (Andorra, Ireland, Malta  etc) and I don't see any word of the many complaints there have been about the semi-finals and block vote there. I have tried to put a word about the strong regional bias -  an Eastern block vote leading to 9 out of the 10 spots for the final going - but this has been removed. I don't know why, because this is a fact. Hektor 06:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-final controversy

message: A note to the creator of the new maps that the contest was not won by Serbia and Montenegro; Serbia won it on its own. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 09:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean, Serbia is red (1st place) and Montenegro is blue-ish (near last place) in this map? Mtcv 12:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe ΚέκρωΨ/Kékrōps meant to point out (correctly) that the first two maps have no border between Serbia and Montenegro, when they should obviously have that border. - MTC 18:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also I should point out that according to Wikipedia map rules, blue is not supposed to be used to color countries, but only bodies of water.  That's why the orig. maps didn't color any blue. Greekboy 18:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New maps 

message: A Danish newspaper  is claiming that the Serbian entry is actually a copy of a 2-year old Albanian song.  A comparison video can be found on YouTube .  Does anyone have more information about this? Tim (Xevious) 09:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sour Albanian grapes? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 10:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian plagiarism? 

message: ok so, has wikipedia become so inundated with conservative thought that eurovision is no known as eurofag as it is throughout this article?)
130.88.47.20 14:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eurofag- really? 

message: To whomever keeps changing the lnagauge of Montenegrin song from Montenegrin to Serbian, please stop. In the lyrics, Stevan sings, "Čija si lijepa đevojko?" (Whose are you pretty girl?) needs to know đevojka is the Montenegrin term for "girl" whereas in Serbian it is "devojka" and in Bosnian & Croatian it's "djevojka". Thank you.
The serbs think that all the languages in the former Yugoslavia are serbian.
I agree with you. But you cann't reason with those kind of people. I think that for the time beeing we should try with a compromise and say that he sung in Montenegrin language and Serbian language. In that way everybody can say that they were right. And in the future, when the Constitution of the Republic of Montenegro expresses the will of the Montenegrin nation that the official language is Montenegrin language, well, then nobody will change the language to Serbian any more. -- Imbris 23:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stevan Faddy sung in MOntenegrin! 

message: Hi, I just wanna tell that the scoresheet is terribly wrong. This said Cyprus gave 12 points to Bulgaria, Iceland to Serbia, etc. Maybe it has been vandalized.
(Delgadoloayza 16:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the scoresheet 

message: I think that the ranking map should be taken out. There's no write up about it so I feel that it is only trying to cause people to think about voting issues like eastern europe doing better than western and so on. I can see putting it on maybe the voting page, but it doesn't really add anything to the quality of the 2007 page. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that no one cares...I took it out. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking map 

message: I have changed the line about Abela saying the Maltese 12 points were 'fixed' (yes, the very words someone had put in this article) as a protest vote. The reference given says no such thing and he would certainly not be so foolish as to publicly say his country's televote was tampered with. My correction more accurately reflects what he actually said in the quote cited. I also removed a statement about 'what some fans think' which has no place in an encyclopaedia. I have also balanced out this section as the criticisms of the voting are greatly outweighed by opinion claiming these criticisms are 'racism', etc. Given that the EBU has since changed the voting system clearly the criticism was seen by the event's organisers as justified. User:Vauxhall1964|Vauxhall1964]] (talk) 18:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, I think that's an awkward place for that section though. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amended 'Controversy' section 

message: Please note that I have started a discussion on this content issue once again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#What to do with commentators and spokespersons. Camaron ·  Christopher · talk 19:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentators and spokespersons 

message: It says that Poland gave twelve points to both Ukraine & Serbia, how could they have done this? This must be a mistake or some form of vandalism. --TardisShell (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Score board confusion