Talk:Ex-gay movement

message: Darwin Naz recently made a large addition to the article. I accept that the addition was made in good faith and indeed much of it looks helpful. Unfortunately, the addition was in some ways misleading. It also involves an improper synthesis of sources, as described at WP:SYNTH. The first part of the addition lists the main goals of the ex-gay movement, including "coordination with individuals and organizations, particularly opponents of gay and lesbian civil equality to influence public perception and public policy" among other things. It is cited to Ex-Gay Research, a scholarly book edited by Jack Drescher and Kenneth Zucker. The second part states that "These goals rest in the claim that sexual orientation is a choice and that change for homosexuals is possible through therapy and prayer", and it is cited to an article in The Atlantic, a non-scholarly popular magazine. The content cited to The Atlantic is misleading, since it is not in fact true that supporters of the ex-gay movement all view sexual orientation as a choice, and nor is it supported by the source provided. The material makes it look as though the popular Atlantic article discusses the goals of the ex-gay movement as described in the scholarly book Ex-Gay Research and shows that they "rest in the claim that sexual orientation is a choice", which is not the case. What the Atlantic article actually states about "choice" is that, "Ex-gay leaders traveled to churches and appeared on television news programs citing a litany of examples of happily married “former homosexuals” to demonstrate that sexual orientation is a choice and that change is possible." That statement does not support the claim that the goals of ex-gay movement as described in Ex-Gay Research "rest in the claim that sexual orientation is a choice and that change for homosexuals is possible through therapy and prayer". FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent addition 

message: Gerald Davison is perhaps one of the first psychologists who practiced conversion therapy, and disavowed it in the early 1970's. He was also the President of the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies in the 1970's. There isn't much on his wikipedia page regarding this, however this article here on USC's student blog feautures a lot of quotes from an interview he did. I'm sure there is a better secondary source covering his shift elsewhere, in a book or a journal. At the time they didn't technically call it "ex-gay", but should he be included? He also later supported removing homosexuality from the DSM.  --Sxologist (talk) 10:25, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential addition to "People who no longer support the ex-gay movement" 

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message: I think we should add Milo since he’s now ex gay Nlivataye (talk) 12:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Merely identifying as "ex-gay" does not make one part of the movement; the people here encouraged folks to dehomosexualize themselves and/or offered training or counseling to do so. --Nat Gertler (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milo Yiannapolos 

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