Talk:Arbeter Fraynd

message: I have moved the material in Arbeiter Fraynd to here, with a redirect, as 'Arbeiter Fraynd' uses two completely different Yiddish transliteration systems side by side. See Yiddish orthography. I am about to add some material to the article explaining this. In  case I am not clear enough and the material gets deleted along the way, for the record: the title of the periodical is written in a 'dayshtmerish' Yiddish - i.e. Germanized Yiddish in Hebrew letters. Correct standard Yiddish would be Arbeter Fraynd I think. Romanizing the title, it is important to reflect the Germanized pronounciation of the original, but also important to romanize according to standard rules, e.g. YIVO or Harkavy. I have used the more common YIVO.
:That unsigned thing was me, when I moved the page from Arbeiter Fraynd to Arbayter Fraynd. It has since been moved to Arbeter Fraynd, reflecting correct standard Yiddish. However, the newspaper was not written in correct standard Yiddish - it was written in daytmerish Yiddish (“New High Germanisms” is, I think the correct term), reflecting the prejudices of the Yiddish left of the time - i.e. it was called Arbayter not Arbeter Fraynd. Thus it is anachronistic to correct their spelling, imposing our political correctness on them. If you want a scholarly precendent for my approach here, I suggest Leonard Prager's (1990), . He transcribed texts as they are written, even when this departs from standard Yiddish orthography, because the spelling itself is part of the historical data: an example of the ways in which identities were constructed within the text. I won't just move it back without a discussion, but strongly think it should be. BobFromBrockley 12:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked google, and noticed that Arbeter Fraynd gets 80 odd hits, Arbayter 330 odd hits, inlcuding Tamiment Library Catalogue, Shtetl at ibiblio, etc BobFromBrockley 12:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating this page 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Arbeter Fraynd. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070108013910/http://recollectionbooks.com:80/bleed/Encyclopedia/EdelstadtDavid.htm to http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/Encyclopedia/EdelstadtDavid.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050219201016/http://www.forward.com:80/issues/2002/02.08.16/lookingback.html to http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.08.16/lookingback.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This was redirected by @Czar several months ago. Recently, the redirect was contested for lack of discussion by @2dk, who did not open a discussion. I see no reason to oppose the redirect, since this article is a stub and the topic is dealt with in more detail at the redirect location. I'll redirect this again in a week unless consensus goes otherwise before then. -- asilvering (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say the redirect should go in the opposite direction, as the group was formed around the publication. --Soman (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't make any sense - the Worker's Friend Group article is much larger than this stub, and most of it isn't about the newspaper. -- asilvering (talk) 01:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And the sourcing is more about the group's activities than the newspaper in particular, which was just one of their activities czar 04:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. To be clear, this isn't a case of redirecting for lack of notability. It seems to me that both topics are independently notable. But right now, it seems to me that a reader looking for information on this newspaper is much better served by Worker's Friend Group than this stub, so we should send them there for now. -- asilvering (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm going to put the redirect back on. Again, it's not a case of lack of notability, so if someone wants to expand this article in a way that couldn't reasonably fit into Worker's Friend Group, please go ahead! -- asilvering (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to [[Worker's Friend Group#Newspaper]]