Talk:Philippine English

message: I think the section on vocabulary needs expert review - and that's because its contents are representative of popular culture in the Philippines. This may or may not necessarily be representative of the full range of the Philippine population and how they use english per se.
170.65.218.6 (talk) 12:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture (Expert Needed)

message: I'm a first generation Canadian born Filipino and one thing that is unique about Filipino English here is the replacements of Ps with Fs and Vs with Bs. The thing about the Vs and Bs is that it cannot be done vice-versa as the Ps and Fs. 
Some Examples (note: most are letters are accompanied with a roll of the tongue):
*Filipino = Pilipino (Given)
*Victor = Bick-tor
*Family = Pam-eh-lee
*Varnish = Bar-nish
*Fun = Pan
*Vehicle = Be-hic-kle
*Lover = Lab-er or loob-er
*Find = Pined
*Official = O-pish-al
*Very = Berry
I know these won't make it into the front page because it regards English spoken on the Philippines, but I though it would be interesting to add in the discussion.
--24.114.255.83 04:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: P, F AND V, B REPLACEMENTS

message: --Jondel 07:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term is not (no longer? don't know if the term was used prior to Marcos) specific to associations with Marcos though. You could state it as "Originally used to refer to a Marcos associate who had usually benefited financially from the dictator's patronage. The Philippine media's modern use of the term encompasses anyone seen to have benefited from associating with local politicans." --Edward Sandstig 21:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definition of crony, in case somebody decides to remove it again. --Edward Sandstig 17:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not sure what regions dictionary.com covers (and dict.org also returns various "close friend" definitions), but in Ireland, "crony" implies "probably a crook".  A mafia gang leader or a corrupt politician would have cronies.  I think the meaning is the same in the UK too.  See also Cronyism. Gronky 05:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other words for investigation

message: A Marcos associate ussually involved in corruption and illegal accumulation of healthwealth.--Jondel 07:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term is not (no longer? don't know if the term was used prior to Marcos) specific to associations with Marcos though. You could state it as "Originally used to refer to a Marcos associate who had usually benefited financially from the dictator's patronage. The Philippine media's modern use of the term encompasses anyone seen to have benefited from associating with local politicans." --Edward Sandstig 21:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definition of crony, in case somebody decides to remove it again. --Edward Sandstig 17:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not sure what regions dictionary.com covers (and dict.org also returns various "close friend" definitions), but in Ireland, "crony" implies "probably a crook".  A mafia gang leader or a corrupt politician would have cronies.  I think the meaning is the same in the UK too.  See also Cronyism. Gronky 05:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crony

message: Fbkintanar added — "Full-pledged - Have full status, to be inducted into an office or membership. This may be related to the U.S. adjective full-fledged (in Britain, fully fledged) which similarly means "completely developed or established; of full status" (Compact OED) but with reference to a young bird developing flight feathers rather than a pledging ceremony." — I don't think this is common and most likely just a typo or spelling error. Unless this is being confused with the statement "I fully pledge" during oathtaking, which is also used in standard English? --Edward Sandstig 09:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That dictionary has no boondock or carabao word!! Burn! Destroy! :)--Jondel 05:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a typo. It's laughed at when the error occurs in official gatherings or documents. More likely it is because of the difficulty of pronouncing the F sound by older filipinos.--Obsidi♠nSoul  08:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Full-pledged" 

message: Not heard it being used this way, but an aunt informed me that a starlet once used it in this context. It might have been said in a sarcastic tone. Keep or remove? --Edward Sandstig 10:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Every now and then" means often? 

message: Why is someo—ne always removing this? If you (the deleter)are a Filipino living in the Philippines, I guarantee that you will unconsciously say this if you immigrate to the US, Australia, etc.. I know so many first -generation Filipino americans who unconsciously say this . Again this article is not about proper English or to undermine Filipino speaking abilities. It is mentioned here to make known unconscious habits in speech.--Jondel 07:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Open/ close the light

message: I don't remember ever hearing a Filipino say this.  Could an example be added?  It is "Lets gimmick later", or "Lets go gimmick", or "Lets have a gimmick" or what? Gronky 21:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Young people say stuff like "Gimik sa Sabado" or "Saan gimik natin?". I'm not sure I've heard many people use it in an English sentence, unless they were dealing with a balikbayan for example. --Edward Sandstig 22:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you give an example of how Filipinos use it in English as a verb with the meaning of "to go out and have fun"? Gronky 20:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where’s your gimik?, I guess. I don’t think it’s used too often in English, the word, that is. —Lagalag 11:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is "gimmick" used? 

message: I'm thingking of adding this word, where they really mean to say 'I swear'. Sometimes the usage is correct. i.e. The movie will be good, I promise. The teacher will be there, I promise. Sometimes, 'I swear' would be more appropriate in the past tense usage. i.e.The movie was  good, I promiseswear. The teacher was there, I promiseswear.--Jondel 12:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Promise

message: "Jingle" is an English word that is used in the Philippines as a slang word to mean urinate.  Whether used colloquially or not, it is still an English word which has a completely different meaning in the Philippines than other English speaking countries.  Examples: (in Taglish):  "Sandali lang, I have to jingle muna before we go."; (English) "Wait a minute I have to jingle before we go."
"Chancing" is also an English word that is usually spelled in the Philippines as "tsansing" but nonetheless is still an English word like taksi (taxi), titser (teacher), etc.  Example: (Taglish) "Napaka-crowded sa Metro Rail ngayon.  Ang mama sa likod ko kept chancing me - laging dumidikit siya sa akin likod.  Nakakainis!" (English) "It was so crowded on the Metro Rail today.  The man behind me kept chancing me - he kept bumping into my back."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciredor2001 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jingle, Chancing and Duster 

message: Doing NPOV tag cleanup.  An NPOV tag must be accompanied by a posting on the discussion page stating clearly what issues the editor finds violating POV, and what they feel can be done about it.  This permits discussion and resolution of the issues.  These tags do not have any such discussion, are drive-by tagging, and will be removed. Jjdon (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Tag 

message: The Vocabulary and usage section of this article presently concentrates on Vocabulary.  I think that it should have a Vocabulary subsection containing most or all of the existing material and a Usage subsection containing info about Philippine English usage idiosyncrasies vs. U.S. and U.K. English.  Some examples:
* "I will be the one" vs. "I will"—As I understand it, this comes from the Tagalog "ako na lang".
* "make an ocular inspection" vs. "inspect".
* "the other day" meaning specifically "the day before yesterday" instead of meaning generally ""recently".
* "for a while", the English translation of the Tagalog, "sandali lang", The component words of the phrase "for a while" are clearly English, but this expression as a whole does not exist in the rest of the English-speaking world. In the UK or the US, the idiomatic equivalent would be something like "just a second" or "just a moment".
* "Watch your steps" vs. "Watch your step".
* Using the English word "last" where the Tagalog word "noon" would be used, as in e.g., "last January 15th" which, in the US or UK, would be taken as January 15th of the previous year.
* "we accept" vs. "we do" (e.g. "we accept printing").
* Personal Pronoun—In the major languages of the Philippines, there is no distinction between the pronouns for male and female. The Tagalog word for both "he" and "she" is "siya". Thus, because Filipinos are not used to differentiating between the two, it is not uncommon to hear someone say, e.g., "he gave birth to twins yesterday" or to speak of their father saying, "she still doesn't have work". 
* Response to a negative question—E.g., the question, "Haven't you seen the doctor?" is answered "yes", meaning "Yes, I have not seen the doctor", and which a US or UK listener would take as having the opposite meaning. This difference from US and UK convention is not unique to the Philippines, and causes much confusion.
* "I'll just go ahead", meaning "I'm leaving" and not meaning "I'll go first, and you follow".
* "open the light" and "close the light", which are not used in US and UK English and are equivalent respectively to "turn on the light" and "turn off the light". This is doubly confusing because in US and UK English "opening" a valve in a plumbing system allows water to flow, while "opening" an electrical switch breaks the connection and stops electricity from flowing.
Not being a Filipino, I'm not well qualified to put this together.  The examples above grew out of my time spent in the Philippines and from some googling around. Could someone better qualified than I improve & expand the above, or should I just drop it into the article as-is?
The above grew largely out of material here and here. There is some more material, nor about pronumciation than about usage here. There's some info related to both usage and pronunciation here. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 21:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Go ahead", "The other day", "For a while" and "Close the light" are already in the article, but could be expanded. The part about personal pronouns is considered a grammatical error, and isn't the sort of thing you'd hear from the local media or most university professors. "Conduct an ocular inspection" is more common than "Make an ocular inspection", at least in the media and official government documents. Surprised that nobody's added "I will be the one who will" and "We accept", but I think it's possible you're correct about the origin of "I will be the one who will". --Edward Sandstig (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: There is also Go up/down the bus when Get on/off the bus is meant. From the famous:Bababa ba? Bababa. (Are you/we getting off? Yes I/we am/are getting off).--Jondel 04:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage 

message: The Arbor word means "magpalitan tayo"(Can we trade or Let's Trade) something like that 124.217.30.57  8:30 16 May 2008
== Comments on the Page Itself ==
I deleted comments on the page itself, such as:
* (Again this is Filipino, not Philippine English!) 
* (wrong again. Estafa in P. English is not embezzlement but the taking of another person's money through fraud or unfunded checks. 
* (wrong again. Feeling in the sense you meant it is not used in Philippine english but in Filipino slang. 
If there are comments or need for improvements, I think we all need to take the initiative and do the edits and discuss them on the talk page. It doesn't make sense to call attention to errors, especially more than what's needed by going on the article itself instead of the talk page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MENDOZA I (PH) (talk • contribs) 12:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ==

message: Chicken wire is also often used for see-through wire.
tricycle - a public (for-hire) vehicle consisting of a motorcycle and an attached passenger carriage
Also "hollow blocks" is known in North America as "concrete blocks"--Skipjack820 (talk) 03:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See-through wire 

message: To "live-in" means an unmarried couple who live together in a sexual relationship; to 'live in sin'
apartment - in the Philippines, a residential unit that is purposed to be rented out; in North America, the term 'apartment' does not apply the intent of renting out--Skipjack820 (talk) 03:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live-in and Apartment 

message: It has been my experience that, when talking to filipinass online, I will ask them, innocently, "What do you like to do for fun?" and they usually become offended and I eventually realized that they understood it as having sexual connotations. NorthernThunder (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Err... Freudian slip with the 'filipinass'? And yes, it does. It's slang. But it's not unique to Filipino English, as it also has sexual connotations in Western English as well. And like in your English, it's contextual. Consider the circumstances by which you asked them the question.--Obsidi♠nSoul 	 14:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fun 

message: Why are there Spanish entries in the article? While words like Sala and Bodega are spanish derived, but they also have different English meanings or are used along with English so they're alright. 
But words like Vaciador, Medianoche, and Misa de galyo are Spanish and are considered native, not English.--Obsidi♠nSoul  06:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanic words

message: This article has now been tagged for over  three years. Unsourced claims are either the editors' own point of view or original research, neither of which  is admissible per policy, and will  shortly  be removed if inline referenced sources are not/cannot be provided. Any  claims to  the use and description  of Philippine English must  be supported by  reliable sources that  can be verified. --Kudpung (talk) 04:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On it. Will source what I can.--Obsidi♠nSoul 07:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up: Sources 

message: This article is stating the stereotypes that many Filipino-Americans have about how Filipinos in the Philippines speak in English. Yes, F may be sometimes pronounced as P, but that's not how everyone talks. You may consider watching clips of "Stephanie Retuya" in Asia's Next Top Model to see the real accent of Filipinos. --115.85.21.251 (talk) 07:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stereotypical 

message: In the entry for "certain" (see Philippine English Vocabulary section), the first context is the peculiar usage but the second is perfectly normal for English.  Also, I've seen/heard "certain" used in the first context by non-Filipinos (usually Americans) so I don't know if it is specifically peculiar or specific to Philippine English. --andyJSD 18:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certain 

message: To claim that "quarter to" (as in "The time right now is quarter to 9am.") is fallacious.  The phrase is universally employed in the English speaking world.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajsdecepida (talk • contribs) 22:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Quarter to" Entry in "Philippine Vocabulary" 

message: I have removed the following for a few reasons.
1. This isn't a list of words that are not understood in America, comments like "this is a loanword from British English" makes it clear that it is not a term/usage exclusive to the Philippines. example railway this is English, not Filipino English.
2. Trade marks. These are used world wide. Band-aid is commonly used in many English speaking nations, so is not exclusively Filipino English.
Here are the removed words, if anyone cares.
* Aircon — An air conditioner.
* Assignment — Homework
* Ball pen — A ballpoint pen.
* Band-aid — An adhesive bandage. It is a genericized trademark.
* Bargirl — A hostess, dancer, or prostitute in a Philippines strip club, called a cabaret.
* Barbecue — Grilled meat, but not in the American sense: the Philippine barbecue is meat cut into pieces (usually the fat is included for pork barbecues) and skewered, in a manner commonly called kebab cookery outside of the Filipino community.
* Bigtime — Mostly used by people of a lower class to describe a person who is rich or of high profile, or who has a lot of money.
* Biscuit — A loan word from British English, known in Tagalog as a biskotso, which is an American cookie. Interchangeable with cookie or cracker.
* Blow — To vomit. Seldom used today. Also used as a short-hand for blow-job.
* Boom-boom — A vulgar expression for sexual intercourse. Seldom in use at present.
Canteen in American English is a water container, which is often used in the Philippine military.
* Car park — A loan word from British English, which is a garage parking or a parking lot. Parking lot is also in use.
* Cargo train — A loan word from British English, which is a freight train.
* Confinement; confined — Used to refer to all types of hospital admissions. Laws around the world provide for the “hospital confinement”—for a certain or indefinite period of time—only of mothers who have given birth, persons with infectious diseases, or the clinically insane or mentally unstable. “Hospital confinement” is also internationally used to refer to hospital admissions and confinement of arrested or convicted persons.
* Course — While Philippine English is mainly modeled after American English, some British words, phrases or usage have found their way into it, as with the word "course" which means the same way it is understood in the UK and Australia as the entire program of studies required to complete a degree. Americans use the word "academic major" for the entire program, and use "course" to mean a unit of teaching for which academic credit is given.
* Gay — Refers to effeminate homosexual men only as opposed to homosexuals in general. It also refers to trans women (male-to-female transgender people), transsexuals, and cross-dressers. See LGBT culture in the Philippines. Aside from using it to refer to a "homosexual" or one of the LGBT community, it is also used in place of coward, scared, weak, soft or one incapable of fighting or defending something, or one opposite that referred to by that other Philippine English slang term, "cowboy".
* Go ahead — Leave in advance ("I'll go ahead" means "I will leave now, earlier than you guys").  "I'll go ahead" is a literal translation of Tagalog Mauna na akó, which means "I'll leave you now" more than "I'll go before you now".
* Hyper — This prefix is used as an adjective to describe a person who is high-strung. From the term "hyperactive".
* Ice drop — A popsicle. 
* Pampers — Baby diapers. A genericized trademark from the Pampers brand.
* Professional — To be proficient, skillful; used colloquially e.g. "I'm a professional driver" denotes that I drive very well, not that I drive as a profession. However, the proper meaning (as in "I'm a professional footballer") is still in use today.
* Railway — A loan word from British English possibly, stemming from the fact that the first railroad in the Philippines was built by the British. 
* Scooter — A moped or small motorcycle.
* Sermon — A homily during the Holy Mass. Sometimes the actual meaning is an oration by a member of the clergy (particularly in non-Catholic Christian denominations).
* Soft drink — Soda pop.
* Test — An examination (or exam).
* Vice-governor — In the provinces of the Philippines, the second-in-command, to the provincial governor and similar to a lieutenant governor in the U.S. states, territories and commonwealths.
* White-Out — A correction fluid/tape. It is a genericized trademark.
* Xerox — As a noun, it means a photocopier; as verb, to make a photocopy of. A genericized trademark from the Xerox brand of photocopiers. However, as per the recent legal notice published in Philippine newspapers (drawn up by Xerox's Philippine legal firm), use of the words "photocopier" and "photocopy" is strongly encouraged.
Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  vocab section removals 

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message: I am working on improving this article by finding relevant sources to fill some gaps in citation specifically in the areas of Phonetics and History. Sources I have found so far are:
- DETERDING, D. and KIRKPATRICK, A. (2006), Emerging South-East Asian Englishes and intelligibility. World Englishes, 25: 391–409.
- DETERDING, D. (2010), Norms for pronunciation in Southeast Asia. World Englishes, 29: 364–377. 
- Tayao, Ma. L. G. (2004), The evolving study of Philippine English phonology. World Englishes, 23: 77–90. 
If you have any useful sourcing information or feedback, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Jendoss9 (talk) 04:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working on Finding Citations 

message: "Monolingual Filipino-language-speakers often have non-standard pronunciations; a number of other indigenous languages, employ phonemes such as [f], [v], and [z]." Is the comma not meant to be there? It seems ungrammatical as it stands, and I'm confused what it's trying to say. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 10:57, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what the sentence is trying to say either, and I notice that it cites no supporting source. Perhaps the Pronunciation section of https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/philippine-english (linked from the Elternal links section of the aritcle) deserves a look. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:27, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear sentence 

message: I happened to stumble across a quote: "English is now ours, we have colonized it", attributed to Gémino Abad in numerous places on the net and apparently seen in the 12 August 1996 issue of The Philippine Daily Inquirer. I ran across it here, but I also see it here and it lots of other places and just thought to mention it here in case it may be useful in the article with, perhaps, some background from one of the sources mentioning it. I'm not really into linguistics, but there's another paper here which might be of interest in relation to that first one I linked. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:56, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "English is now ours, we have colonized it" 

message: In the Notes column for the usage of “Dialect”, it says,
From an erroneous redefinition of the term coined by the Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino after declaring regional languages in the country as "dialects" to Filipino. 
With a cited reference (Andrew Gonzalez 1998)
I was curious about this so I combed through the paper cited. There was NO mention of this erroneous redefinition of KWF at all. Unless I missed something, I think this statement still needs citation.
Quidquidlatetadparebit (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialect — not enough support 

message: From the Orthography and grammar section: 
This claim needs a reliable source. And how much is "almost never"? I see some Philippine news articles using serial comma, so I don't think it's almost never used in Philippine English. I will be compiling a list of articles that uses serial comma here. Feel free to add more articles below. Pandakekok9 (talk) 12:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serial comma 

message: *Fearful but defiant: Independence Day rallies push through despite warnings - Rappler "members of Anakpawis, Bayan Muna, Kabataan, and other allied groups" Pandakekok9 (talk) 12:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles that use serial comma 

message: Please remove the "bold" thing in the article because it's quite unappropriate. Wikipedia takes important knowledge bases, not sex education!
So please, remove it. AdjectiveGuy (talk) 03:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, so unless it’s incorrect, there’s no need to remove it. POLITANVM talk 04:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Do Wikipedia follows COPPA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdjectiveGuy (talk • contribs) 04:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m not a lawyer and don’t work for Wikimedia, but I don’t follow how it’s relevant. That law is about collecting data from people under 13. Also, please sign your messages on talk pages with “~~~~”. POLITANVM talk 04:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: The "bold" thing

message: I am from the Philippines. In Philippine English, there is a preference to use the -log spelling over -logue for some words, while the opposite is true for others. For example, I find "dialogue" and "monologue" to be commonly spelled with the -logue ending here, while words like "catalog" and "analog" are more used. I do not think it is right to say that the British English form is preferred when there are cases where the American English form is used. It is not interchangeable, but it is not uniform at the same time. Arsoniel (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of -logue and -log in Philippine English 

message: I happened to see this edit, My Filipina wife says that "September one" is common in the Philippines -- that's not a large enough sample to draw conclusions, I know. Anyhow, I found this source, which agrees with her usage in Filipino ("aprimero", followed by Tagalog ordinal numbers. editorial guessing about why would be WP:OR. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates, and sourcing 

message: This article may benefit from having some audio files for spoken examples of PhE, esp. ones that exemplify phonological features of PhE. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio files of spoken examples