Talk:Afro-Turks

message: Study of ethnic demographics in Turkey is a widely studied, deeply researched and publicly published area of academic study. And there are many avaliable credible sources and papres you can easily find in the internet, just google it you can finds TONS of data from credible academic sources, AND NONE OF THOSE SOURCES LİST AFRO-TURKS AS A MİNORİTY GROUP İN TURKEY. NONE OF THEM ACKNOWLEDGE THİS GROUP'S EXİSTENSE. (here, for those who won't even google it, here's a link for you: http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries.php?rog3=TU  there are many,many more...)And in some of these sources you can even find very low-populated, smallest groups like Chaldeans, White Russians who migrated during Bolshevic revolution or Polish immigrants who migrated during Napoleonic Wars. These groups almost do not exist today, only a  handful of people, and they are listed. But no Afro-Turks... I wonder why is it? Either this wiki article is a forgery or there is a wide-spread international conspiracy to deny existence of Afro-Turks. And yet, wikipedia does not delete this stupid article. what does this say about this institution's credibily?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.117.239 (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  THİS ARTİCLE İS THE LİVİNG PROOF THAT WİKİPEDİA SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERİOUSLY AS A SOURCE OF İNFORMATİON 

message: I BEG WİKİPERDİA MODERATORS TO BOTHER, JUST FOR SEVERAL MİNUTES, TO LOOK AT ANY RELİABLE SOURCE(CİA FACTBOOK, ANY KİND OF REAL ENCYCLOPEDİA, GEOGRAPHY BOOK OR SOMETHİNG) OF ETHNİC STUDİES ON TURKEY ; AND THEN REMOVE THİS ABSURD ARTİCLE FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! 2.000.000 AFRO-TURKS! AND BASED ON WHAT? SOME NEWSPAPER ARTİCLES (WHİCH, BY THE WAY, SOURCED THEMSELVES FROM THİS STUPİD WİKİ ARTİCLE!!!) IF THAT İS ACCEPTABEL THEN I GUESS THERE REAALY ARE ALLİGATORS ON NEW YORK SEWERS, AFTER ALL NATİONAL İNQUİRER WROTE THOUSANDS OF ARTİCLES ABOUT THEM!!!!!! DON'T BE ACCESORY TO VALİDATE A MAD MAN'S DELUSİONS AND MAKE US WİKİ READERS BELİEVE İN THİS İNSTİTUTİON AGAİN.
I agree with you brother. This article exists and is being promoted purely for political correctness (or should I say racial correctness). The name , population and existence of this group are all inventions to promote that purpose.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.116.82 (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''WİLL SOMEONE PLEASE END THİS NONSENSE!!!''' 

message: I must say that when I went on holiday to Istanbul, I didn't see many Afro-Turks at all, there is 2 million?
More like 20!Luckystars 14:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I strongly suspect this article is intended as a joke. I am a man who lived in Turkey for three years and consider myself well versed with the country and its people. Im telling you, you're about as likely to run into a Black person in Turkey as you are in North Korea or Kazakhstan. Two million sounds very, very far fetched indeed. More like a prank  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cankore (talk • contribs) 03:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke article? 

message: What kind of an "encyclopedia" uses newspaper articles as a valid source? Even worse, most of those papers use this ridiculous wikipedia article as their source for those stories. This is a pathetic vicious circle of misinformation and hearsay! when will this stupid article be deleted? 85.97.66.113 (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial rewrite/additional references 

message: What an Afro-Turk is, is not clearly defined. Judging by examples here, I assume it's the ones who look black/African, but anyone with the slightest idea about Turkey knows that 1 out of 20 people in Turkey do not look like that. There is a serious misinformation here. Even if Mustafa Olpak inflates the numbers and considers anyone who is remotely associated with Africans in Turkey as Afro Turks he can't reach numbers like 2 million or 3 million. It's common knowledge that there are a handful of villages populated by "Afro-Turks" so this 20,000 figure sounds reasonable.
By the way, I am not sure if the term, Afro-Turks, should be used in this article at all.  --Mttll (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that you can't read Turkish. Hürriyet says that 20,000 live around Ortaca and neighbouring districts. What about the figure 800,000 given by Sabah? Does that one sound "reasonable" enough or will you say that this is another purposeful inflation? Behemoth (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

text: What you're doing is:
 1 - Removing sourced material.
 2 - Purposefully misquoting sources.
 3 - Starting an edit war.
 4 - Vandalism. Behemoth (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is ridiculous - the definition and the population figure 

message: The funniest yet saddest thing is that this so-called "encylopedia article" is using "sources" that themselves copied from it. In other words, it uses circular sourcing. The entire article was built on original research. Some people (including the delusional Mr  Olpak) read about it for the first time on wikipedia. Olpak gives a few interviews to some newspapers who are desperate for something different to print and voila, you suddenly have  2 million of these "Afro Turks" (they must be invisible cos I dont see them anywhere). The proof is easily seen by looking at the date this article was created and the earliest versions of the article. The newspaper articles printed after the creation of this article (that are being being used as sources) use the exact same text as that of this "encylopedia" article as it existed at the time. So much for wikipedia being a reliable source of information.
Here you can read and see the real ethnic groups in Turkey which are Turks Kurds, Arabs, Gypsies(Cingene), Circassians (North Caucasus originated people), Armenians and jews . http://countrystudies.us/turkey/ Where are those 2 million "Afro Turks"? They only exist in Olpak's mind
:Mr. Olpak is a renowned writer on the subject and more recently a contributor and informant for a Vakfı project on this very issue. Calling Olpak "delusional" (only because his estimates are found too inflated) will not refute the existence of Afro-Turks. If you feel like finding sources saying that no such group lives in Turkey, please provide them. Also, please sign your comments. Behemoth (talk) 02:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The funniest yet saddest thing   

message: You are adding some audaciously false and blatantly inaccurate information which you claim is well-translated from some foreign language website. There are several problems with your edits:
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* I have already directed you to sourced information on the Arab Slave Trade article from doyens of Somali Studies that directly contradicts what you're claiming i.e. factual information from established experts in the field in question, not some self-published website with not one source cited to back up its outlandish claims. Since, for whatever reason you refuse to respect that actually sourced, authoritative & factual information, here it is again so that you cannot claim to have missed it:
:"Although Chinese slave traders bought slaves (Seng Chi i.e. the ZanjRoland Oliver, Africa in the Iron Age: c.500 BC-1400 AD, (Cambridge University Press: 1975), p.192) from Arab intermediaries and "stocked up" directly in coastal areas of present-day Somalia, the local Somalis -- referred to as Baribah and Barbaroi (Berbers) by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively (see Periplus of the Erythraean Sea),F.R.C. Bagley et al., The Last Great Muslim Empires, (Brill: 1997), p.174James Hastings, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Part 12: V. 12, (Kessinger Publishing, LLC: 2003), p.490 and no strangers to capturing, owning and trading slaves themselvesHenry Louis Gates, Africana: The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience, (Oxford University Press: 1999), p.1746 -- were not among themDavid D. Laitin, Politics, Language, and Thought: The Somali Experience, (University Of Chicago Press: 1977), p.52: 
::One important commodity being transported by the Arab dhows to Somalia was slaves from other parts of East Africa. During the nineteenth century, the East African slave trade grew enormously due to demands by Arabs, Portuguese, and French. Slave traders and raiders moved throughout eastern and central Africa to meet the rising demand for enslaved men, women, and children. Somalia did not supply slaves -- as part of the Islamic world Somalis were at least nominally protected by the religious tenet that free Muslims cannot be enslaved -- but Arab dhows loaded with human cargo continually visited Somali ports.Catherine Lowe Besteman, Unraveling Somalia: Race, Class, and the Legacy of Slavery, (University of Pennsylvania Press: 1999), p. 51 
:Slave labor in East Africa was drawn exclusively from the Zanj, who were Negroid Bantu-speaking peoples that lived along the East African coast in an area roughly comprising modern-day Tanzania, Mozambique and Malawi. "
That's why I reverted you. And I will continue to do so if you keep adding this blatantly untrue information, which a Wiki editor personally translated from a low quality, inexpert, non-English & completely unreferenced personal website to boot. Middayexpress (talk) 20:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The english translation for Afrika kökenli Türkler is Turks with African roots/origin.  Now i am assuming your contention is with the term Afrika kökenli Türkler and not the translation?  What confuses me is why delete the translation and not the term?  If you have a problem with the term then discuss it with the editor who added it, my involvement is only providing an English translation for it.  If it's not the term your disputing then you have utterly lost me.  Xaghan (talk) 20:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POV, personal translation, & self-published, foreign language website

message: Turkey is an Asian (Excluding East-Thrace) country, But is considered European. I suggest we (better) move it to Asia. --82.134.154.25 (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continent in the African Diaspora Box. 

message: Sanki bizimle dalga geçiliyor. Bunlar nerede oturuyorlar, hiç görmedim iki milyon (!) var mı ? Off bey gerçekten  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Turanbekin (talk • contribs) 23:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Böyle bir saçmalık görmedim 

message: Evidence of Afro-Turks (They have been living in İzmir for 350 years)
http://alkislarlayasiyorum.com/icerik/90971/izmirde-bir-zenci-mahallesi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.204.250 (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little proof 

message: I don't think English white ladies with one black Ottoman great-grandfather should be included in a list of "Afro-Turks". Anyway cool article, I hope someone finds the time and means to expand it. I also am skeptical of the two million claim -- I guess there's a lot of demographic work to be done, though. 07:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: To the best of my knowledge, Defne Joy Foster is of Turkish mother and US American father. Her heritage does not include Bantu/Zanj, at least not directly as is the case with Afro Turks. Therefore, she should not be included in this section. 88.243.159.0 (talk) 10:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Defne Joy Foster

message: I had a look at this page after recalling meeting an Afro Turk family living in London in the early 2000s. They were Turkish of distant African descent, had a Turkish last name and spoke only Turkish.
The notable Afro-Turks mentioned in the article appear to be more recent immigrants or people who have parentage of mixed ethnicity. 82.46.57.101 (talk) 11:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable afro-turks