Talk:Mormonism and Nicene Christianity/Archive 18

message: The revision by 198.60.4.6 changed the introductory sentence to say that Mormonism and Christianity are two different things.  This change essentially declares that the POV of Mormonism is false.  Against this lead, the following paragraph asserts the opposite - as though Mormonism is in an argument with Wikipedia.  Furthermore, the revision asserted that there is "common ground" between Mormonism and mainstream Christianity - which in light of the following sentence is confusing, or misleading.  I reverted these changes for those and a few other lesser reasons. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert explained 

message: I've removed the sub-heads that separated "contrasts" from "comparisons".  In the process, I also reduced several of the mainstream views, in order to focus these explanations on what may be nearer to the point of departure being discussed.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 01:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed two-part structure 

message: I've completed a massive re-structuring of the article, re-writing in some cases the Mainstream views (which are still largely unsupported), grouping some related subjects as sub-heads.  I have separated most of the discussion of LDS views from the discussion of "mainstream" views.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 02:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-structure 

message: These two sections speak of essentially the same thing; so, they should be merged. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I look at it, the more it seems to me that the problem that nags at me is a matter of the headings that are used.  Better titles would suggest a clearer distinction of the content.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It should be "Ordinances and Sacraments" to give parallel to the the Mormon view and the Christian view. Bytebear (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Authority" and "Priesthood" 

message: Do we need something in this article on the history of interaction between the two groups? Something on the early Mormon pronouncements about the nature of other churches, and maybe the Christian response? DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article needs to be a light summary of the interaction, because other articles cover particular things in great detail.  The entire article contains references to what the Mormons have said about the other churches: that is basic to the article's thesis, and I don't think it's obscured.  But maybe what you're talking about are those very notable interactions that are absent from this article:  that concern those teachings and practices that provoked the strongest and most violent antagonism to Mormonism in the past.  These would include charges of sanctioned polygamy, formal racism, and theocratic politics.  I'm not sure how these would fit in the article though - because it often leaves a false impression when these are raised, that Mormons are still differentiated from their neighbors by these and other obsolete distinctions. Perhaps we might just briefly say that they are currently obsolete?   — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 22:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: DJ Clayworth has asked for clarification of the idea of "apostolicity" that runs through the Nicene tradition.  Encyclopedia Britannica: Christianity explains this idea in some detail.  In part, for example:
:The church erected three defenses against the prophetic and visionary efficacy of pneumatic (spiritual) figures as well as against pagan syncretism: (1) the New Testament canon, (2) the apostolic “rules of faith,” or “creeds,” and (3) the apostolic succession of bishops. The common basis of these three defenses is the idea of apostolicity. 
Apostolicity is a notion that the church is erected upon an unchanging foundation, upon which the church develops in its encounter with deviations, growing in dynamic interaction with that original deposit, so that over the entire course of the church's existence it more fully explicates that foundational faith, to gradually become a more pure and more fully explicit expression of participation of the whole building in the life imparted to the church at its foundation.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apostolicity 

message: Unless there is data and references to back it up, showing that any other churches accept the doctrines and other ideas of the LDS, mainstream is not the right term.  "Other churches perspective" might be the best option.  Fremte (talk) 00:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 09:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mainstream" churches as heading