Talk:The End (A Series of Unfortunate Events)/Archive 1

message: According to book sellers, the release of Book the Thirteenth will be on the 3rd April 2006.
That's really strange. I thought it would come out Sept/Oct 2006. If its the last book in the series, you would thing Snicket would drag it out, you know?
I've removed erroneous information regarding the release and added the tentative release date. --MattManic7325; October 24th 2005
Thats odd. From what I know his books are usually taken out late in the year. Has anyother book fallen out of this consistinsy ? -M.G.
It comes out on October 13th 2006. Daniel Omy talk. 15:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Release 

message: Who is J.S.? Is he Jerome, or Justice Strauss? Tell me what you think.  Depressed Marvin 16:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  J.S. 

message: This article seems to consist mainly of speculation. I have removed most of the speculation that gave no supporting evidence, and have tried to rearrange things into a more concise and continuous format. Anyone is, of course, free to replace this deleted text, but please consider that Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation (WP:NOT). 
In addition, this article's language and organisation could be cleaned up to be more professional, but I do not have time to do so. Something should probably be added about this being stated to be the last book. --Constantine Evans 04:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: There are two different and purportedly confirmed release dates listed in this article. Could someone who knows about the true planned release date please fix this problem and add a citation? --Constantine Evans 02:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date inconsistency 

message: The last book might be called The Esari End, but I don't know what in the world Esari means, do any of you?
It doesn't mean anything.  "The Esarni End" was a hoax title which a member of the UnfortunateEvents.com forum invented. - Anonymous
if u search Count Olaf on this site, it shows him surrounded by CROWS,coincidence? respond----Chris
Coincidence to what?--Daniel O 16:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its not. Its part of a Lemony Snicket book set. The Olaf surrounded by crows is from the Vile Village.--CyberGhostface 17:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anyone know what Esari means- The last book might be called The Esari End! 

message: Here's a picture of the last book: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/arjayoh/esarni.gif. Have any of you got any better ones?
Again, this is a hoax by a member of UnfortunateEvents.com.  That "cover" is Photoshopped. - Anonymous
If it's a hoax then why if you put Esari End in Google it comes up with this article page?
:Uh, perhaps because Google find the phrase on this page. It's a hoax - ignore it. CLW 15:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the last book 

message: There's been a library in every A Series of Unfortunate Events book and the Baudelaier's escaped with Count Olaf on a boat at the end of The Penultimate Peril and there can't be much of a library on a sailing boat so what kind of library do you think will be in the next book?--Daniel O 17:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are likely to get more of a response from a discussion board, as noted further down on this page. The purpose of this page is to discuss changes to the article. --Philosophus T 01:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Library 

message: How come no one is replying to anything anymore on this discussion page? Where have you all gone???Daniel O 15:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't think me rude, but this isn't actually a chat forum! This is more a page for any queries or useful comments relating to the actual article, rather than somewhere for general ASUE chat. Sorry - please don't take offence! CLW 17:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where have you all gone? 

message: I just reverted 5 edits to this page, all of which seemed to have been made in error. In particular:
* WP:MOS states that punctuation should usually go outside quotations.
* I do not understand the removal of capitalisation.
* The addition of the number of pages needs to have a citation.
* The last two edits seemed to only cause formatting problems.
I am fairly certain that all of these edits were made in good faith, so I hope I have not reverted any useful changes. --Constantine Evans 03:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revert 

message: After reverting various IP editors who added 384pp as the page count, I have found that Barnes and Noble give this as the page count on their preorder page. If these users had told me this instead of ignoring my warnings, I would not have kept reverting the change. I will add this again.
:I've added a question mark to this - I don't think any page count can be trusted this far ahead, and online retailers often have completely the wrong figures even long after the release.  That said, the same figure is given on Amazon.
Do you know on Amazon they've already got a review about book 13.Daniel Omy talk. 15:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see any such review myself, but if it does exist, it won't be reliable at all.  The book isn't out for six or seven months yet, and the idea that anyone could have gotten their hands on a copy is ridiculous.  Probably just another generic review from a robot or spam from some kid.
If you type in on Amazon 
 Book the Thirteenth: Complete & Unabridged (Series of Unfortunate Events S.) 
it will come up.
I'ts a tape review.Daniel Omy talk. 16:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Count 

message: Someone almost completely rewrote some of the article un an unprofessional and speculative tone. Can a professional editor fix this mess? Thanks -Power Slave 21:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: wharr?

message: Someone is claming to be Klaus from the future. Why has this not been taking off as vandilism? The only reason I could speculate, is that it really is Klaus, which I highly doubt.
~PhantomBPR
:Vandalism, pure and simple. I've removed it, and will remove it again if I see it happen again. --Southwest 00:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Claus???

message: I bought it 2 days ago. I finished it last night. Definitly not my favorite. My reaction at the end was, "I read 13 books for that ending?" It's pretty weird, but the rest of the book is good.
I <3 Kit Snicket 4EVER!!!
Haha, so there was someone else who got it early. Good to know. I was surprised to see it being delivered today --Omnieiunium 22:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I Got An Early Copy!!!

message: I believe the orphans died, because apparantly the nameplate of the boat was Beatrice, and in the Beatrice Letters, the poster thing has a picture of a boat all wrecked up, with  half a nameplate that has "Beatrice" on it, and Violet's Ribbon, Klaus' glasses, and Sunny's whisk. And, in the Beatrice Letters, the punch out letters are an anagram of "Beatrice Sank." What a depressing ending.
Wow, never noticed that. Good theory and observation. I think that they survived however, I mean they escaped so many situations.
:"The Baudelaires watched her approach, wondering what the next chapter in this infant's life would be, and indeed that is difficult to say." [Chapter Fourteen, page 10]. So you see not even Lemony Snicket knows what happened to them. 62.136.55.237 10:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Baudelaires' Death

message: At the ending thing of Chapter 14 (the thing with the descriptions of Daniel Handler and Brett Helquist) next to Snicket's box, it say "LEMONY SNICKET is still at large." Who knows, maybe Daniel Handler will start a new series.
This does not belong in an encyclopedia - it should be cleaned up. -Slash-
Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. TheMadBaron 09:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar power, encyclopedia quality 

message: What's that doing here? Wikipedia isn't Amazon! If some external source has reviewed the book, then of course that can be cited, but a completely anonymous review that might be from anyone surely isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia. Loganberry (Talk) 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A review of the book"? 

message: Okay, listen it was never revealed that Olaf didn't burn down the house. I have no clue why people all of sudden don't think he did it. But, it has NEVER been stated that he didn't, so I'm going to remove the sentence that says he didn't do it. As far as I'm concerned he did do it, Lemony would've said something. All Olaf said was "Is that what you think." That's it, do you know how many things that can mean. Unless, you get a source from Lemony Snicket himself that says he didn't do it, this is complete speculation.
EDIT - Listen... if you read between the lines, you find out that Olaf never. Didn't you read the bit where he felt pain at Klaus's statement? You may as well delete the bit about Beatrice isn't the mother, because the line "Beatrice is your mother" is not in the book. Only joking but it is more or less stated that Olaf didn't burn down the house. If anything, it hints at Esme and Lemony
Remember that Olaf was shot with a harpoon and had a fungus in his lungs. I think he was in pain from that. Look, I'm not dismissing Olaf not doing it. I think it's very probable, but there's not enough proof until Lemony himself says something....and knowing him that won't be for a while.
:We shouldn't say that Olaf did or didn't as its never clearly stated (and reading in the lines is still speculation) but we should at least mention Olaf's remark.--CyberGhostface 01:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your comments, people, it makes these discussions a lot easier to follow. TheMadBaron 09:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop 

message: The Medusoid Mycelium article needs your help! It only mentions The Grim Grotto, and I added the fact that it is also in "The End", but I haven't added anything to the role it plays in the book, the fact that hybrid apples also are an antidote, etc. Please contribute to that article! Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 22:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medusoid Mycelium 

message: I think we should a Harpoon Gun article in he VFD section. It appears to be an VFD weapon. We can use the picture in The End where Ishmael has the harpoon gun in his hand.
I think that article would be a stub for a looong time.
:Please sign your comments on talk pages by using four tildes  (" ~~~~ "). TheMadBaron 17:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "HARPOON GUN" ARTICLE 

message: I'm a little new to wikipedia, so this is my best attempt at giving input!
On the symbolism section, shouldn't there be something showing similarities between God (specifically the God of the Old Testament) and Ishmael?  For example, his not forcing anyone to do anything, but them doing it anyway can be paralleled with the Christian threat of Hell to those who don't worship God, even though we have free will!  And his secret hording of knowledge links to the lie that Adam/Eve would die if they ate from the tree of life.  Someone could probably do this better than me, so I'll leave it at that.
RadicalPaddy17:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know any credible sites or books that you can cite for this connection? bibliomaniac15 16:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ishmael" ARTICLE 

message: Perhaps we'll learn more about all the stuff Handler leaves unanswered (grr...) in The End if he carries on releasing "Rare" editions of the books (as he did for the Bad Beginning - think about it, that would be thirteen extra chapters of stuff!)
22:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Revelations

message: I have proposed that Chapter Fourteen be merged into this article. Fancy formatting that Snicket did to make it a look like a seperate book aside, Chapter Fourteen was, when you get down to it, just an epilogue to the series and does not deserve an actual article by itself. A section? Sure. But not a full-fledged article.--CyberGhostface 22:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, I'm just putting it up for deletion. Adding the whole thing to this one would just bloat it. If that fails, I'll try to merge it again.--CyberGhostface 22:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Its in The Slippery Slope.--CyberGhostface 00:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: I get that you have issues with Chapter Fourteen, but thats no reason to delete the section. Even you have said that it deserves some mention. Clamster5 07:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't delete the section. All I deleted was a heading for it. The bulk of the section is still there, its just integrated into the main plot section. There's even a reference to it being the fourteenth chapter.--CyberGhostface 20:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chapter Fourteen Section

message: The whole Biblical parallels section is largely speculative and unsourced. With the exception of the apples and the snake, I don't think anyone can say what Snicket was referring to or referencing.
We don't need a whole new section for Chapter Fourteen. Its fine just integrating it into the plot section and for possible secrets to be lowered in the bottom half. Let's not make the page more cluttered than it has to be.--CyberGhostface 23:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can read, thank you. The article has a section on Chapter Fourteen. I haven't removed any of your precious information. It just doesn't have a header. Why a header is so important to you I don't know.--CyberGhostface 20:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter Fourteen and Biblical Parallels 

message: The result of the AFD discussion was No Consensus as the majority of the people called for merging/redirecting than outright deletion. The admin also put merging templates on both pages.
The majority of people called for merging in that discussion. 
People in favor of merging and/or deleting
*CyberGhostface
*Humblefool
*T Rex
*Zetawoof
*JChap2007
*Lee M (who said keep or merge)
*Eddie Willers
*Metropolitan90
*Kevinalewis
*JCoug
*Biblomaniac15
People in favor of keeping
*Clamster5
*Arvedui 
*Lee M (who said keep or merge)
Being that the people in favor of merging was 10-2 (not counting Lee M who voted for both reasons...counting him makes it 11-3)
Because of this, I'm going to redirect Chapter 14. And before anyone asks, the reason why I reverted the previous attempt to merge it prior to the AFD closing was because there are strict rules not to do so until its over.--CyberGhostface 00:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging