Talk:Heinz Guderian

message: Recently under infobox 'Allegiance' someone changed the dates for German Empire to (1898-1918), which I thought unremarkable. Soon thereafter someone else changed it back to (1907-1918), which I now see was the long existing prior value. This looked strange to me, because the German Empire existed long before 1907.
Looking at the template docs  gave me no added understanding. But... if the logic is that the dates necessarily reflect the _individual's_ "Years of service", here "1907–1945", then that could make sense. Why are there so many undocumented gotchas 'round here? Shenme (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As the title indicates, the dates are of Guderian's time of service; from the time he entered the German army as an officer cadet in 1907, to his retirement in 1945. I'm not sure what's unclear about that. Mediatech492 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance 

message: The caption, saying Guderian is on the left, does match the description given with the photo's source. However, the person on the left does not look at all like Guderian; the one on the right looks more like him. Both of these figures seem to be wearing wedding rings on their right hands, which would be unusual (at least by modern American custom). Could the photo have been reversed? (The reversal would have been done at the source site, not by a Wiki editor.)MayerG (talk) 08:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The person on the left is clearly Guderian; compare with the lead photo. The officer on the right does not look like Guderian. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you are right, and my suggestion of a reversed photo is clearly wrong-- Germans do wear wedding rings on the right hand! In the lead photo Guderian doesn't look chubby, which is what threw me off. MayerG (talk) 00:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo from Sweden 1929 

message: There is much space allotted to Russel Hart’s belief, that Guderian even supported the 20 July plot. But Hart’s evidence is thin, even dubious.  He claims: “On 18 July, as Guderian himself admitted in his memoirs, his former Luftwaffe liaison officer from Russia, von Barsewisch, who had developed and maintained a close relationship with Guderian, came to see him as an emissary of the conspirators in a final attempt to enlist Guderian’s participation. Barsewisch informed Guderian of the impending attempt on Hitler’s life, even though he did not say precisely when it would occur, as the final decision had not yet been made.” (p. 99) This is based upon Kenneth Macksey’s book Panzer General (1976ff.). According to Macksey their talk was not only about Kluge’s idea of arranging a separate armistice in the West: 
 
The problem with this is that Macksey does not provide any source for his story, admitting that it is not within Guderian's book and that the conversation was a completely private one between the two men. In his bio Dermot Bradley only notes that Guderian and Brasewisch talked about Kluge’s plan. Besides Guderian’s memoirs Bradley cites a letter by Barsewisch to Guderian’s son of 28 April 1975. See also Smelser/Davies’ discussion of Guderian’s feelings towards the plot. Guderian, whom Goebbels described as “insurpassable in his loyalty to the Führer”, still condemned the plot after the war. In short, this seems to be way too much space for way too much speculation.--Assayer (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: please feel free to make the necessary changes / shortenings. Nobody owns the article so if there are ideas for improvement, then they can be implemented as needed. --K.e.coffman (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the changes: diff. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  20 July plot 

message: I have found source which state his quote  klotzen, nicht kleckern,“ by which he meant “Fist, not Fingers as his analogy for the battle strategy. Can anybody tell me where i can use it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agus Damanik (talk • contribs) 12:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from him 

message: ... the People's Court, set up for the purpose of prosecuting the alleged plotters
That's not what the Wikipedia entry on the Volksgerichtshof (estd. 1933) says.2A02:AA1:101B:5EF1:1498:288C:A1F8:6DF3 (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  People's court