Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 18

message: I notice someone at this project suggested a  a while ago;  I've proposed that and several others at WSS/P.  Please comment there if you have any thoughts or (counter-)suggestions.  Alai 18:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A&M stubs;  another try 

message: The idea for an Evangelion WikiProject came up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. I took the initiative to make it a work group at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Evangelion. Feel free to join up on the effort, or just help out on setting up the group page. -- Ned Scott 23:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EVA work group/ task force 

message: Excel Saga is on the main page. Watch out for corrections, new contributors and possible vandalism. --129.241.126.121 00:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice! -- Ned Scott 00:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The image isn't really a good illustration for readers in that it doesn't show that it's a manga/anime, but on the other hand: Nabeshin, LOL! --129.241.126.121 09:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unfortunate, but TPTB decided that the main page can't have unfree images at all, even on cases like this...this is the result. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 13:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy hell. They've been moving fast. How long until there a ban on featured articles about fictional works still in copyright? --129.241.126.121 21:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think next in line is eliminating all unfree images in Wikipedia. That's the goal stated by Jimbo anyway. --Mika1h 22:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's getting ridiculous though. There are photos of the actors that are being pulled when they themselves have released them explicitly for wikipedia that are being pulled. Are they trying to eliminate all images from wikipedia of people and works?--Hitsuji Kinno 01:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But we can't use anything that's licensed just for Wikipedia, that's the problem. Because of the GFDL, *anything* on Wikipedia must be available for *anyone* to use, so a Wikipedia-only license is practically no better than fair use. There were probably a few older photos that were uploaded under such a license before we got really strict on the fair use stuff, but if the idea is to produce a free encyclopedia, we need to have as little unfree content as possible. Now, if you can find a papparazzi willing to release their entire catalogue into the public domain (or at least under Creative Commons), we'll be a whole lot better off. Confusing Manifestation 02:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excel Saga on main page 

message: This bot is going through and marking for deletion every image without a FUR. I strongly urge everyone to go through all the articles you watch and make sure all of the images have a fiar use rationale similar to that found here. You can see more about FUR here. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I've been dreading this moment... so much work, and I have like 500 images on my watchlist as is. That aside, I'd suggest going a bit beyond what's been done on that linked image and giving a more detailed reason for use if one is available, so that you don't have to fix it again next time they raise the bar. For a couple examples of ones that I've done, see :Image:Quincy (Bleach).jpg or :Image:Luppi Trepadora.jpg. --tjstrf talk 07:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, the FUR has to be in this format: ==Fair use in/for Insert article name here==, meaning that the FUR should clearly state for which articles the image is being used in. This is the convention I've adopted since I started added FUR's to my images about last year in May/June. Thank God I started doing it back then or else I'd be in a load of trouble.--十八 07:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I made an image instruction/FAQ-ish type page for WP:DIGI at WikiProject Digimon/Images due to the image cleanup and tagging, maybe we should make a general one for WP:ANIME. A lot of stuff (as in, just about all of it) is being reviewed. -- Ned Scott 22:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Also worth noting that two images I had provided fair use rationales for were deleted anyway. Apparently, they've stopped bothering to check if a fur has been added, and you have to remove the deletion banner when you add one or a bot will delete the image automatically. The text of the deletion template has been changed to reflect this, belatedly. Doceirias 23:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, whenever you add the FUR, always make sure to remove the deletion template so the bots (or non-bots) don't auto delete it. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That shouldn't happen, as betacommandbot can't actually delete pages (no bot can). I would check the deletion log and contact the deleting admin and ask what happened. But yeah, as Nihonjoe said, you should remove the deletion banner when adding the FUR. -- Ned Scott 03:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The deleting admin's talk page was filled with dozens of complains about it. Images were restored promptly, but much easier to take it off before the page gets accidentally deleted. It sounds like there are so many images in need of deletion now that they're not even glancing down to see if a FUR exists. Doceirias 03:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BetaCommandBot marking image with no Fair Use Rationale 

message: Is there any reason why we can't have the illustrator field in the manga infobox? It has been added and reverted a few times without discussion, so let's discuss it. mako made the point some time ago that it made the infobox longer and I would agree but common practice has been to add a and put (art) in the author field anyway. I believe that a few editors do want it and I'm sick of fixing the articles that still have it. --Squilibob 04:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree. We have the author/illustrator distinction for the light novel info box, and should have it for manga. I think the argument against it was that so few manga have separate writers and artists, but that's easily solved by making the illustrator field optional. And for those books that do have both, they deserve their own field. Doceirias 05:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too agree with this. I was going to add it in last month on May 21, but then reverted myself. My reason was that most (if not all) light novels have separate writers and artists, while manga tends to have more where the author and artist are the same person, but not always. On top of that, I thought that right now the convention is to put the author and artist (if separate people) in the same area with a line break inbetween, and if the illustrator box was then inserted, that would mean a whole lot of correcting to put the illustrator in its own field; thus, I reverted myself since I didn't think it was worth it at the time. It is more practical to have the distiction in the light novel box, but I still agree that it should be in the manga box too.--十八 06:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can also make the template adapt when the same name is used for both fields, preventing two entries from being shown. -- Ned Scott 06:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well the new demographic field is in hundreds more articles and the number of manga articles that have a different illustrator to the author would pale in comparison of size. --Squilibob 12:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think I actually had infobox complexity in mind; the boxes are pretty complex now, so it's a moot point. - mako 07:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox Manga and illustrator field 

message: Re: Talk:Case Closed#Requested move, I guess I had forgotten about the discussion, as I remembered it happening. Call me a bit slow, but only tonight did I notice that.. the requested move did not proceed. Am I reading this right? 19 users supported the move, while 6 opposed it... and the closing admin says "no consensus"? This is a problem that needs correcting. The question is, how do we do it? -- Ned Scott 08:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not the best place to put this comment, but I noticed one of the arguments seemed to be that it IS the official release name in Australia and New Zealand...that alone should have easily caused the move to go through, I'd think. Yes, definetly a problem that needs correcting. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 10:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say move it. Looks like a clear consensus to move the articles to me. Case Closed is only used in the US I believe, everywhere else it's called by it's original title, Detective Conan. Especially since one user pointed out, a lot of the stuff hasn't been translated/licensed (Manga chapters, episodes, movies, etc). --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 14:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the UK and Canada too. But this is not the correct forum for this, please. --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 14:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ok to get people's take on an issue like this. -- Ned Scott 19:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk:Case Closed#Requested move 

message: I'm toying with the idea of a mangaka taskforce. Most of the mangaka pages are not in proper format, are in disrepair, are missing sources or just have wrong information. I noticed that AMP doesn't seem to have time to focus on this 100% of the time. So this would be to try to get a handle on some of the pages and detail them out properly and to format (according to the Biography template)-- many mangaka *do* talk about themselves in notes to their readers so it's not like we're strapped for references. I'd like to get them up to par for them to get featured or at least beyond the stub rating many are stuck at. Is anyone interested? And if not Mangaka... a Creators Taskforce? ^^;; (Many Biography pages of authors manhwaga, creating directors etc have issues of the same sort.)--Hitsuji Kinno 08:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be interested, though I would want it to stick to mangaka and not include manhwaga (as they are not in the scope of this project). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we need more than three to make a task force... Anyone else? --Hitsuji Kinno 01:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be fine to create it now as there will likely be others who pop in and notice it. Not everyone follows this talk page with regularity. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't mind helping here and there, so make it four. But I feel like limiting the task force to only mangaka is just not enough. I want to suggest a project for all Japanese people — mangaka, seiyū, etc. — but I fear that might be too wide a project and probably could easily be covered by WP:JAPAN instead... // DecaimientoPoético 21:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about anime-related  real personalities then? So Seiyuu, directors, mangaka, etc? So people who are just related to the Manga and Anime industry. We could call it Anime and Manga Industry Biographies Taskforce. AAMIBT... I'm sure some obsessed fans would be into doing just a certain Seiyuu, etc. --Hitsuji Kinno 01:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That works, and it could be a joint task force with WP:WPBIO, too. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I figured that part out. Basically the task force will follow the structure of the Biography project, but supply information for the biographies and references for the biographies from this project. Shouldn't be too hard. I'll put the task force underneath this project since it's supply the info more and more people will be more likely to be interested in helping the biographies. --Hitsuji Kinno 22:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can certainly be a child project of both. --Masamage ♫ 22:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Masamage I'm having trouble creating it *feels like dunce* I started it under :  but I can't get the Task force tag to work properly. It keeps spitting out all this other stuff. I guess I want to do more on the *doing* side than trying to bang my head against something I don't understand side. At least it's started... but stuff needs to be filled out. And redirects, etc have to be put in. --Hitsuji Kinno 22:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a far too complicated name. Just shorten it to Biography. --Farix (Talk) 00:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. ^_^ That helps a lot. I still can't get the template thing to work though. People can add their names now...--Hitsuji Kinno 05:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mangaka Taskforce?

message: Some of you might be aware of WP:EPISODE, which is our guideline for dealing with articles about an individual episode from a show. Before it had the shortcut WP:EPISODE and the current title, Wikipedia:Television episodes, it was known as Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes . Well, it still says pretty much the same thing as before, but some recent redirecting of episode articles that weren't seen as notable lead us to some new activity on the talk page of WP:EPISODE. We're now looking for input and comments to expanding the guideline at WT:EPISODE#Suggested expansion of guidelines. -- Ned Scott 04:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:EPISODE, our guideline for articles on episodes 

message: Kung Fu Jimmy Chow has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kung Fu Jimmy Chow‎. There isn't a huge amount of interest in the debate so I'm writing here to ask people who might actually have an interest and better understanding of the content of the article to comment on whether it is notable or not. I hasten to add that I'm not canvassing for support, just don't want to see this article deleted without a wider consensus to do so by people who have read both side of the argument. If the wider consensus is to delete, I'll of course abide by that. GDallimore (Talk) 13:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for deletion - your views matter! 

message: As she has a wide body of work, I was thinking of proposing a WP to cover all of her works with task forces dedicated to each of the 4 major series that she's done (Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma ½, InuYasha).  However, given what has been done with other series recently in terms of creating task forces that are subordinate to WP:Anime dedicated to one specific series (e.g. Eva, Bleach, Haruhi Suzumiya), I'm wondering if that might be better instead.  This is because the coverage for each of the 4 series I mentioned widely varies.  IY has the most comprehensive, ongoing coverage, with Ranma as a likely #2, UY #3, and MI dead last, most likely due to relative availability of the series.  So I guess I'm open to either suggestion, whichever seems more practicable and maintainable in the long run.  --BrokenSphere 23:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that there's no practical difference between a WikiProject and a Task Force other than semantics. WikiProject Sailor Moon, for instance, plans to keep calling itself a WikiProject just out of a sense of community, but it's effectively a Task Force because of how we defer to WP Anime for questions, policies, and assessment. So I guess I'd recommend calling your group a Task Force, because it'd be similarly connected-at-the-hip with WP Anime. Good idea, by the way! --Masamage ♫ 01:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea for a Rumiko Takahashi Wikiproject

message: Just wanted to bring this up, but the article on anime conventions is in serious need of sources and improvements. I'm not sure exactly where to begin with sourcing the article. --Farix (Talk) 13:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd start with the history section. I'd help but I have no clue where to get sources for the article. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 14:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Anime convention]] 

message: I've been reviewing the articles that are still marked as stubs (:Category:Anime and manga stubs). Many of these articles have outgrown the Stub-Class or are ripe candidates for mergers, and yet others contain almost no information other then "XYZ is a proxy-genre manga series by CBA" with an external link and a list of characters. The latter I've been tagging with .
Anyways, I've gone through . to B and I may do the C's by the end of the day. Any help in sorting through the stubs to which which once have outgrown their status would be helpful. --Farix (Talk) 22:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The anime-series stub type still exists, I thought we had that deleted long ago. Should we use it? --Squilibob 10:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alai overruled us. He/she also did the same thing with the anime-film and anime-OVA stubs, even though we largely rejected it. --Farix (Talk) 11:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Something like  would have been more useful to the project as there appears to have a lot of those floating around. However, Alai has screwed up any chance of that stub being useful because he's bot has been throwing them around all over the place. --Farix (Talk) 17:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work for fixing up all those incorrect bot changes.--Squilibob 07:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. But I just wish he would think about why the project has rejected those stubs earlier rather then create them anyways as if they were the only choice. --Farix (Talk) 13:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviewing stubs 

message: I just created Japanese Movie Database. It's just like the IMDB, but for Japan. Please use this when looking up references for Japanese anime films. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a few years, but I usually found http://www.allcinema.net/prog/index2.php was far more complete. Doceirias 04:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I use both when possible as they will each sometimes have things the other doesn't. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Movie Database 

message: I've revamped and organized :Category:Anime and manga magazines a bit, so please make yourselves familiar with the new organization. There wasn't really any organization before. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime and manga magazines category 

message: Since the glossary rarely gets used (at least by me as I never go over there) or updated over on Wiktionary, I've set it up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Film credits glossary as I think it will be much more useful to this and related projects. Feel free to update the list. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film credits glossary 

message: It seems that this infobox entirely duplicates Template:Infobox Television episode. Is there any particular reason why we should use a different episode infobox for anime TV series? I don't really see the need have both of these infoboxes when one would do. --Farix (Talk) 14:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's about an anime episode, adding ja_name and ja_name_trans might be useful. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since such information is already in the lead, so it would be redundant. Unless you use the infobox to avoid having such a long lead sentence. --Farix (Talk) 19:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are multiple TV movies (as in the case of Nine), having those there is very useful in case the titles are all different. It's no more redundant than having it for the Movie template. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, take a look at User:TheFarix/Sandbox2. It clones the look of Template:Infobox Television episode while keeping some of the arguments of Template:Infobox Anime episode. It's not a drop in replacement of either one of them, yet. But it is an experiment. --Farix (Talk) 22:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox Anime episode]] 

message: I think  should replaced by proper infoboxes. Examples are:
* If the article is exclusively about TV anime, use .
* If the article is exclusively about manga, use comics infoboxes.
* If the article is exclusively about light novel, use .
* Use  for the films and OVAs.
However,  should used when the article is about entire franchise. (Examples: Sailor Moon and Strawberry Panic) -- JSH-alive 10:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You see if an article is about a manga and then at some stage down the track an anime adaption is made then all you have to do is add the anime section to it and not replace the entire thing. Is there any reason why you would want to use other infoboxes? Our infobox also automatically categorises articles. --Squilibob 11:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: is a proper infobox. Just because they don't go into needless detail like most of the other infoboxes doesn't make it inferior to those infoboxes. Also, if we drop the , the other infoboxes, particularly the comic infoboxes, will have to be alter to incorporate anime/manga specific fields. And frankly, if  is any indication when added a 'length' field, there is going to be quite a bit of resistance. --Farix (Talk) 11:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the others. It already is a proper infobox and presents the appropriate information in a concise and easy to read manner (the whole point of an infobox). There's no reason why such a huge area as anime and manga can't have infoboxes specific to them. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Hi all. There is a discussion going on at the Manual of Style page, regarding the "In Popular Culture" sections in many of the Japan-related articles. Since a lot of the bulletins in these sections tend to be references to anime or manga, I thought you might be interested to know of this discussion, and would want to contribute your views on the subject. TomorrowTime 18:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, they are mostly unnecessary trivia. It's one thing to mention in the article that many references are made to the work by other anime and manga, it's another to give an expansive list. --Farix (Talk) 19:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at Manual of Style/Japan 

message: Would anyone be interested in creating/joining a Lupin III work group? There is much to do, such as adding more information to the main article, movie, TV special, TV series and video game pages, Monkey Punch's page, character pages, and Yuji Ohno's page. Let's not forget the manga pages, too! --AutoGyro 12:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation of a Lupin III Work Group? 

message: First, :Category:Dojin and all subcategories: Is there a reason they aren't all at the macronned title, Dōjin, to match the article?  (:Category:Dōjin, :Category:H Dōjin, :Category:Dōjin anime, etc.) If not, then I'll have them all renamed at CfD.
Second, :Category:Pornographic manga magazines. This should be renamed to something, but I'm not sure what. :Category:Hentai magazines? --tjstrf talk 02:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ero manga magazines? We should get away from misusing the term hentai... Doceirias 02:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's why I'm not sure what the title should be. A lot of the other categories (like every subcat of :Category:H dojin) just say "H", and might be better renamed as well if we can find a better term. (These two potential nominations overlap somewhat as a result.) --tjstrf talk 03:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I suggested Ero Manga. That's what they call them in Japanese, which makes it the correct term. Doceirias 03:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: While we're on the subject, any one mind explaining to me why there is no macron in the Dojin soft article, but there is in the Dōjin and Dōjinshi articles?--十八 07:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here. I'm not sure if this reason is valid though. _dk 10:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that is not valid either. If the other two articles use the macron, and the very first word in the article uses the macron, shouldn't that be reason enough to macron the title as well?--十八 12:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A couple cat naming questions

message: List of Shin Lupin III episodes has been nominated for a featured list. Go to Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Shin Lupin III episodes to show your opposition or support. --AutoGyro 15:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Shin Lupin III episodes nominated for Featured List