Talk:Florida–Florida State football rivalry

message: This section has been the target of numerous attempts at vandalism.  I have corrected the issue and added a citation.  Hopefully this will resolve the issue and we remember that this is an encyclopedia and not a depot for smack talk. 65.34.81.185 (talk) 10:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. The article must match the reputable sources, not what your brother-in-law who claims to have been there told you. "Questionable calls" is fair compromise wording, imo, especially since most Gator fans would use far stronger negative terms to describe that game. Zeng8r (talk) 14:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swindle in the Swamp 

message: The university logos are trademarked and copyrighted. However, no rationale is provided for their use.
In line with a similar usage discussion at :The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, I'm soliciting from editors here a rationale of why the logos should stay. This and WLOCP are the only article I see with the logos presented thusly. (IMO, it's also a cumbersome and unattractive presentation, but that's not the issue at hand.) Similarly in line with discussion there, I personally will not delete the logos for 24 hours, though I will not stand in the way of other editors removing the logos. After 24 hours, I will delete them under the WP:NONFREE guidelines which require a usage rationale, if they have not been provided. —C.Fred (talk) 12:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of logos (nonfree images)

message: This article is suffering from a lack of sources and, more importantly, a serious issue with  bias; some sections are wildly pro-UF, others just as wildly pro-FSU. There are plenty of sports forums on the internet for Gator-Nole smack, but wikipedia is not one of them.
I'll work on the problems little by little, and hopefully other  good faith editors with knowledge of this rivalry will chip in as well. Zeng8r (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into some of the games. I've kept every G'ville Sun sports section from gameday since 1993. Might be able to pull out some decent references. Jaguitar (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:Neutral point of view | Non-neutral point of view]] + [[WP:Citing sources | only one reference]] = an article in need of work 

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message: There's really no need to add summaries of every individual game since 2001 into the article. Game summaries should go in the "Memorable games" section, but only if they're particularly noteworthy. Otherwise, they should be only briefly mentioned in the series overview section up top, as in "From 2004 to 2008, Florida won 5 in a row..." etc., not details down to Harvin's injury and such. There have been a lot of streaks and trends in the series; that's what should be focused on up there (imo, of course).
Like I mentioned last year at about this time (see above), the The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party article is a good model. Maybe this year I'll actually get back to working on this one... Zeng8r (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization needed 

message: Though I personally enjoyed it, I seriously doubt that this year's game will be considered "memorable" in the rivalry, so it doesn't belong in the memorable games section. There were no shenanigans, no comebacks, no individual performances that will stand the test of time. Other than the weather, it was a pretty dull ballgame in the big scheme of things, especially when compared to the others in that section.
Anybody have a good reason why it should stay? Zeng8r (talk) 00:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 a memorable game? 

message: The colors for this table are very hard to read, especially on the years that Florida won.  In fact, it isn't easy at all to read and close to impossible.
Below are all the possible options I have come up with.  I personally like option #3 for UF and option #1 for FSU.  The Blue and Garnet will contrast well to make it easy to tell who won the game, while the white text will make it MUCH easier for everyone to read.  Thoughts?
===UF Options ===
Year	Florida	Florida	Florida State	Florida State	Location
1963	Florida	7      	Florida State	0            	Gainesville, FL
1963	Florida	7      	Florida State	0            	Gainesville, FL
1963	Florida	7      	Florida State	0            	Gainesville, FL
1963	Florida	7      	Florida State	0            	Gainesville, FL
===FSU Options===
Year	Florida   	Florida	Florida State   	Florida State	Location
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
--The Sports Diatribe (talk) 21:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; the current table is hard to read, and the third UF and first FSU versions are the best. Thanks for taking care of this! Zeng8r (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to Flip Colors 

message: Year	Florida   	Florida	Florida State   	Florida State	Location
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
1964	14 Florida	7      	12 Florida State	16           	Tallahassee, FL
--The Sports Diatribe (talk) 21:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; the current table is hard to read, and the third UF and first FSU versions are the best. Thanks for taking care of this! Zeng8r (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: FSU Options

message: For the benefit of those in a hurry, here's the excerpt from WP:ENDASH that requires a space around the en-dash in this title but not in references to Florida–Georgia or Florida–Miami: "All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items." —C.Fred (talk) 16:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: After looking at the List of NCAA college football rivalry games and seeing that the Florida Cup, not the Governor's Cup, is the three-way trophy between Florida, Florida State, and Miami, I can accept that the Governor's Cup applies to the UF–FSU rivalry specifically. However, it's not mentioned further in the article. Is there a source describing the trophy? If so, it should be mentioned here and also in the list of rivalries. —C.Fred (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governor's Cup? 

message: Should the "Notable games" just be put into the history section? It seems people add games arbitrarily. While their have been plenty of classics for both sides, why is the 2009 game important other than it being Tebow's last home game? It certainly didn't add anything new to the rivalry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PaxonGator (talk • contribs) 00:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 2009 was also Bowden's last regular season game, so I think it's notable enough to include. As for integrating and reorganizing the article, I suggested that over a year ago (see above) and actually started it but haven't had time to finish the job. Feel free to move things along further... Zeng8r (talk) 01:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: 2011 was the seminoles first win in the swamp since 2003.... yeah its memorable, maybe painful for same g8rs out there but keep it neutral pov and dont edit on a whim.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.223.211.208 (talk) 12:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Integration of History and notable games 

message: Question: Is there a specific location of Florida in which the Florida State fans tend to live and a specific part of Florida in which the U of F fans live?  Or is it pretty much scattered equally throughout Florida?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.33.152 (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: location question

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message: There was a little back and forth this week via edit summaries, so just to get it onto the record...
Like any article on a controversial or contentious subject, sports rivalry articles can get heated as partisans try to make sure that their side is treated fairly and the other side doesn't inject their point-of-view too strongly. Hopefully, calmer heads prevail, and a good, well-sourced article emerges from discussion and compromise. This article has had several rounds of message board-style smack talk and reverts from both sides. Through much hard work, it has stabilized into a relatively fair and well-balanced text. 
Over the last few years, the "Swindle in the Swamp" section has swung from widely pro-UF to wildly pro-FSU. The current text is the result of work from many editors, and the citations used are deliberately national news sources (ESPN, SI, CBS, etc.). There were even more sources at one point that were removed due to readability issues caused by so many superscript numbers. Like anything else on wikipedia, everything is revisable. However, changing well-established and over-sourced material like that section would require very good reasons and sources. Zeng8r (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  rivalry articles 

message: I would like to know if there's any way someone can change the size of the FSU logo to be equal to the UF one. Both are different sizes and it doesn't look right. Any help would be appreciated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeminoleNation (talk • contribs) 00:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The images are the same height. Unfortunately, with the difference in the shape of the two wordmarks, I don't think there's any way to fix it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of logos 

message: I removed the (really long) summary of the 2015 game from the notable game section. As discussed in 2012 (a Gator win which I was in favor of removing), the section is only for the most memorable games in the series - contests that had national championship implications for both teams, or had a truly memorable plays or controversy, or that somehow shaped the rivalry for multiple subsequent years. The year's game doesn't fit the criteria, imo. Including a (really long) summary hours after the final whistle is almost never a good idea, since it takes a little time for the significance of the game to become clear. (See WP:Recentism for a discussion of how to deal with issues like this.)
Anyway, if the game somehow becomes more notable in the future, the summary could always be retrieved from the article history. But unless that happens, it's just another game in the series. Zeng8r (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As an aside, I might also add that this article is poorly sourced, and the "notable games" section is particularly so.  By comparison to the articles for the Florida–Georgia football rivalry and Auburn–Florida football rivalry, this article for a prominent CFB rivalry is long over due for a major re-write and addition of reliable mainsteam newspapers and other major sports media, and the removal of garbage sources like blogs and fansites.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 game in notable game section? 

message: This article needs a substantial re-write, starting with the "evolving rivalry" section regarding the history since Spurrier and Bowden left Florida and FSU.  This section is supposed to discuss the big picture trends of the rivalry in recent years, and it is not intended as an alternative or end-run around the "notable games" section, which includes 250-word summaries of the most historically significant and most noteworthy games in the rivalry's history.  The "evolving rivalry" section should not have paragraph-long summaries of virtually every game in the last decade.  The purpose of the rivalry history section is not to simply duplicate the "notable games" section.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed re-write 

message: The 5th quarter in the French Quarter football game between Fsu and Uf had some major relevance in the rivalry between the two schools in the mid 1990's. It was the first ever bowl game between the two schools while being a top 10 match between them as well.  At the same time I do agree more people recognize the Choke at Doak ahead of this game that lead to the 5th quarter in the French Quarter game. Right now the game is mentioned in the Coke at Doak section but not much information is giving about the 5th quarter in the French Quarter or the Choke at Doak for that matter. I was planning on adding more detail to the Choke at Doak game and debating to have the 5th quarter in the French Quarter game is on section or just a sub part to the Choke at Doak. Any thoughts on should we have this game it’s on Small section or just adding it into the Choke at Doak as a sub section with a little information would be welcomed. KillerFrosty (talk) 21:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  5th quarter in the French Quarter

message: As per several discussions on this talk page going back to at least 2008 (scroll up to view), new games should only be added to the "notable games" section if they are actually notable, for example if there was a truly remarkable play or individual performance, an important milestone in the series (first game, first win by one of the rivals), or huge national implications. Also, even if a recent game seems to fit the criteria, it's best to wait for at least a few weeks to see if the probable notability actually has some staying power before adding it.
Just like most seasons, last Saturday's game was just another in the series that makes the winning team happy and the losing team sad, but you can't compare it to all of the much more impactful games in the "notable" section. By definition, every Florida-Florida State game can't be "notable". Zeng8r (talk) 11:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 game 

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message: @Glman Not sure why your solution to what you felt was insufficient sourcing was to delete massive chunks of text. Dropping in "citation needed" tags or banners is a much better practice than wildly taking a machete to a pretty good article such as this one, especially since you actually deleted several citations that were already included among the supposedly "unsourced" material.
Anyway, if you mark the sections in question, I'll find and drop in more citations this weekend. Thanks. Zeng8r (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to add citation, just as you were totally good to rv my edits. It is a totally reasonable solution to remove text that has gone unsourced for years. I look forward to seeing the properly sourced and written sections! glman (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent massive text deletion