Talk:Internet radio

message: Is there a WikiMediaRadio project?
: Quinobi 20:13, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a WikiProject Radio. --PhantomS 16:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is the page of the project Wikipedia:WikiProject_Radio Bilalak (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiMedia Radio project

message: There should be more detail about the Microsoft and Real Audio formats since many sites still opt for those closed formats. 
: PolyGnome 01:09, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there should be ... but ... as a free and open environment, Wikipedia is more atuned to , shall we say, less proprietary structures and methods. Not that Real Audio is not ... or is it?  Nevertheless, as is objectively declared, the Ogg Vorbis format might be a bit more meaningful.  But hey... that's just one point of view. 65.240.51.122 05:57, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed with Polygnome, but the reasons behind this usage have to be explained (computer monopolistic position of MS, streaming monopolistic historic position of real audio format, and not QoS (quality of services)) would be good idea to link to the software patent / free software debate. Izwalito 16:24, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Closed formats

message: some information about the copyright situation would do the article good.
: Agreed. There should be information about the Legality of Internet Radio.
::I added a reference to an article by Michael Geist, the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. It discusses how  broadcasters can benefit from different laws in Canada where royalties are "a percentage of revenue model rather than the U.S. per-stream approach." I imagine there are lots of other ways to bypass US royalties. Can someone add how European laws might affect this situation? Dtaw2001 15:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal Situation

message: I didn't found the origin of that, and i do not know if the quote is a verbatim copy, but it is inaccurate!
Dang Thi Thu Huong, writing a PhD on internet radio at Bournemouth University, UK, argues that internet radio is a particular form of media in itself, and cannot simply be the rebroadcast of on-air radio programmes via the Internet. She suggests this definition: "Web radio is a hybrid of radio and the Internet, featuring professional output including live radio programmes online and/or archived radio programmes online, accompanied and supported by some text and/or images, and interactive communication via the World Wide Web."
:What part is inaccurate? Can you make it more accurate? ThanksE. abu Filumena 02:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it doesn't fit with wikipedia. while Huong may be writing a dissertation, wikipedia is not, and the definition is very awkward. sounds like self-promotion to me. -65.30.156.9 19:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to do with this paragraph? 

message: Is there a problem with some of the exteranl links?  Mikereichold 02:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  spam, pov 

message: I'm currently working on a proposal for an  Internet Radio Project to help try and organize some of this stuff.  Feel free to stop by and give some input. Randomgenius 04:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet Radio Project 

message: I re-arranged the external links on the Internet radio article. One section, I made, "Some sample internet radio stations". It seems to be an advert area for odd-bit stations ? I am not sure it should be there at all. Should it be deleted ? Thoughts ? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 14:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that section, since it was clearly being used for promotion. The standard practice in this situation is to link to a directory rather than having an incomplete and not clearly defined list. Wmahan. 05:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not a place to promote things, as you attempted to do here. If you wish to add content, it would be welcome. Wmahan. 23:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links to radio stations ? 

message: I added a couple words to the first paragraph to help clarify a few of the technical terms that were being used a little loosely.
Broadcast refers specifically to wireless transmission since that delivery method eminates broadly without discrimination.
Netcasting is the term used to indicate delivery through the Internet.
It is worth distinguishing since netcasts require a series of technologies (computer, monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, modem, cables, appropriate software, exact URL) and for-pay services (browser software, player software, internet access), BUT broadcast media require only one device and no fees
Think of it as the difference between cable and the "Networks."
Also, I added the term e-Radio as a synonym since it's used by over 2 million websites to identify their internet radio services.
JussD 20:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying Terms

message: I've deleted the same link to radio (Radioguide.fm) twice in one morning.   User goes by name of Economyms but account seems to have been deleted; this morning s/he used ip address 86.92.243.214 to make the changes.   Can an admin handle this, plz?  Jfarber 12:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spammer has also been posting to List of Internet stations. The ip addresses and user names that I've seen for both articles are:
* 195.241.131.49
* 86.92.243.214
* 82.92.94.32
* Economyms
--PhantomS 09:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recurring reinsertion of spamlink 

message: Without deleting any unique content, I've done some copyediting for encyclopedic tone and readability.
It would be great to work on  standardizing all the citations with , so that they are all automatically listed in  In this way, an article which is printed out will still contain all citations, nicely numbered and linked. --Lexein 16:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced all the inline external links with  a short while ago.  The citations could probably still use some work but I think it's a lot better now.  Hoping to be able to remove the {cleanup} before too long. SlubGlub (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: copyediting

message: This addition appeared here :
"More recently, in 2006, a company called IP Radio, Inc. was formed by entrepreneurs Stephen Padron, Ray Lytle, and Clyde Passman.  The trio recognized the enormous potential of Internet Radio and the trend towards increasing advertising dollars being earmarked for the internet.  Their offerings are a combination of music and entertainment in the genres of classic rock (http://www.Throwbackrock.com), alternative rock (http://www.Disasterradio.net), and country (http://www.Hotnewcountry.com), and have quickly became the most popular streams on the Internet."
:This was built up with no edit summaries, no comments in Talk, there are no citations, it's POV, it's advertising, the corporate parent http://www.ipradiocast.com/ is a raw directory of files.  This casts doubt on the claim of "one of the most popular streams".  Posting this entry in Talk is a courtesy. If it was up to me, rv non-notable, but I hate edit wars.
--Lexein 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History - ip radio inc 

message: Why is this article tagged with the current event message? I think it should be removed. Unless I'm missing something... Hey martin 15:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the current event message? 

message: There seems to be a big hunk of history missing.  For example, around 2000, the US radio actors union claimed that any radio ads streamed over the Internet would have to pay the radio actors a "national" fee rather than a "local" fee, and since that royalty was substantially higher, a lot of stations dropped their Internet streams for several years until software was developed to block the local ads.  The stations came back in dribs and drabs, but it was a pretty bleak period for Internet radio from 2000=2003.  None of this is mentioned here.
Even now, the software the stations use aren't perfect.  I quite often hear the start of ads before the software kicks in and plays Muzak.  Sometimes the software doesn't switch off and the actual program gets stepped on.  I guess the union doesn't mind as long as stations are making an effort to block the ads.
The important thing to note here is that even though stations continued to stream while there was ongoing arguements about copyright royalty payments, the radio actors union kicked off probably a thousand Internet stations for a while and did more damage than the various copyright committees did.
70.22.211.209 (talk) 17:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing history information 

message: I'm guessing that the people working on radio articles - particularly this one - might have some insight to add to this discussion over on Wikinews.
The idea of a Wikinews Radio station was proposed, something that simply wouldn't work due to lack of content. But Wikimedia Radio, drawing on audio from all projects, seems achievable. Commons has free music, Wikipedia has spoken articles and a few podcasts, Wikinews can do news summaries for regular playing, Wikiversity has a similar idea - Wiki Campus Radio - and wants to do educational material, Wikisource has audio books, and Wikiquote generally has a recording of the quote of the day. With enough cross-project collaboration it starts to look like we could run our own Wikimedia Radio service.
What I don't know, and strongly suspect those editing this article will, is what are the technical considerations to take into account? Is there a "runs-out-the-box" FLOSS streaming solution we could use? Please feel free to hop over to Wikinews and give input on these items and any other ideas you might have for content. --Brian McNeil /talk 07:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikimedia Radio 

message: It might be appropriate to add an internal link to Musicovery, an orphaned article. -- Wavelength (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There aren't links in this article to much more notable services that are similar--Pandora and Last.fm, for example.  While mentioning those services would seem to be justified, Musicovery is simply not as notable. SlubGlub (talk) 06:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible new link: Musicovery 

message: The article becomes a bit of a WP:COATRACK at the end with all the SoundExchange and Day Of Silence stuff.  While that deserves mention, the article is about Internet radio, not about a distinctly American dispute between webcasters and SoundExchange.  
The dispute is controversial and very important, and like I said, it deserves mention.  But it is way outsized.  It probably deserves its own article.  Meanwhile, there are important historical entities like Spinner.Com that aren't even *mentioned* in this article.
I've tried to be fairly aggressive about keeping the SoundExchange stuff brief, but I think it needs significant editing at this point, and so I thought I'd get the consensus on this issue before forging ahead with only my own personal opinion.  (Or maybe someone else wants to take a whack at it.)
At the very least, the heading "Recent SoundExchange Developments" needs to be removed or changed.  Those developments won't be "Recent" forever.  I propose removing it and perhaps consolidating the information in that section to a single paragraph (or, at most, two paragraphs).
SlubGlub (talk) 05:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks to me like everything from the  template to the end of that section (right before "Popularity") could be struck. It's minutiae and doesn't add anything to the article. Padillah (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent SoundExchange Developments and Coatrack Concerns 

message: Is the infobox for Media Players really appropriate on this article?  If so, is there a way to make it more compact?  It seems to take up a lot of real estate for a topic that is related but not essential.  SlubGlub (talk) 18:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the navbox template for Media Players to allow it's state to be overridden in articles, and then added a parameter in this article to collapse it.  I'm not 100% sure it belongs in this article, but certainly it should start collapsed.  SlubGlub (talk) 00:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media Players infobox 

message: The section on the US royalty controversy takes up almost half the article.  It takes over the article, as if Internet radio has already fallen apart due to this controversy.  The section goes into too much detail about the temporary situations on May 1, 2007 and August 16, 2008, rather than taking a long-term view that shows how these events fit into the whole history.  I assume that people have just been adding to the section like a diary, without looking at the big picture or the entire article.  The section mentions Live365, Pandora, and Last.fm, but a previous section should explain what these and other notable stations are, and how they grew.  Filling in more of the history and current status of Internet radio, and its use outside the US, would balance the article and keep the US royalty section from being so overwhelming.  I would write it myself but I don't have enough expertise. Sluggoster (talk) 06:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  sections out of balance 

message: I'd like to switch the name order in the citations to last, first.  This makes citing different pages of a resource easier - Dude, p. 43..  Asking here per WP:CITEHOW. Discuss? --Lexein (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation format 

message: Are there any programs like SAM Broadcaster? Someone tell me why there is no Wiki article that lists and describes:
Internet radio broadcasting applications.
Thanks. Because I want to know. - Curious Wiki-er.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.68.162.10 (talk) 10:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SAM Broadcaster... 

message: The first Internet radio broadcast was by Carl Malamud.  An IP removed this information back in 2010 without any explanation of why they made the edit, even though the information was referenced.  In addition, Severe Tire Damage has the honors of doing the first-ever Internet concert (as backed up by two references)  Samboy (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: First Internet Radio

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