Talk:Spetsnaz

message: Can we please leave these claims of "the best special forces unit" to the appropriate web sites and playgrounds?
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thread_title:  Claims of being best 

message: I have removed the "See also" reference:
: Systema: The Martial Art Used by Spetsnaz
Because Systema is not "the" martial art which they use.
Systema is only known to relatively few units, and even to the few it is not taught in a complete form.  Individuals are of course free to persue further training for themselves.
Spetsnaz martial training in general has been a relative unknown, however there are a few people who have mentioned a little of their own martial training.  Of course there is Sambo but also mixes of Karate and other arts.
I'd liken Systema to a mix of traditional and obscure Russian martial arts as well as a more recent Spetsnaz influence both by some training programs and some individuals.  I think the Spetsnaz link is most prominant because the immediate chain of teachers are Spets.
-- Sy / (talk) 14:25, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spetsnaz martial training 

message: The article says /ʃpecnaz/.  Shoudn't it be /specnaz/?  —Michael Z. 2005-09-6 19:57 Z
I think it is better to write spetsnaz because in case of specnaz that "c" can be wrongly readed as K.--Oleg Str 13:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the first comment above is about the pronunciation ... it is rather out of date anyway as the article now reads /spʲɛʦnaz/ — Stumps 13:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The following quote is incorrect, or at least I think so: "The parallel of U.S. Army Rangers and 1st SFOD-D (aka "Delta Force") is apparent." No, the US Army Rangers aren't even on the same level as the Delta. I'm not talking about their level of quality, they're among the best the US military has to offer, no doubt, but their purpose as a combat unit is totally different than that of Delta's. So, I don't think the comparison between Alfa and the Rangers is correct. In fact, the whole size of the unit isn't even alike, the Rangers can fight in batallion strength, therefor numbering in the thousands, whereas Delta does not and their particular purpose and training does not allow for such a large size. With the description of the Russian Alfa unit being such, I would imagine the same conditions exist for Russian special-op forces. Just an observation. 12.220.83.63 05:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Parallel Made 

message: could someone add http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~recon/SOG-SPETSNAZ-6.jpg as a picture, i dont know how... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GregLoutsenko (talk • contribs) 20:09, 6 June 2005  (UTC)
Please create new sections for new conversation.  Also, no.. it's not correct to just take pictures from the net.  Also that link is now broken.  =) -- Sy / (talk) 13:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Addition 

message: Changed the sentence:
Generally, English-language media refer to them as "Russian special forces" and, in fact, usually [use this term for other countries' special forces].
To:
Generally, English-language media refer to them as "Russian special forces."
I did this for two reasons: First, the sentence immediately preceding this one starts with an "in fact," making the paragraph sound repetitive (i.e., In fact...in fact).
Second, the last part of the original sentence is superfluous to the topic. This is about Russian Special Forces, not about the Special Forces of the rest of the world.
Sorry about not logging in but I'm kinda lazy today. 66.75.242.105 17:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed Sentence  

message: Due to the multy-significance of that term I'd like to offer some changes in the article.
First. As it seems the term "Spetsnaz" used for every special purposed unit in russia, and its a populized term. Therefore we should write here about different types and kinds of russian special forces, that are exist on Russian terretory. And the main accent of the article should mark the collective meaning of that word. Than we should separate on special regiment from another in the article. The suggestion is to wite a typology of special units.
Second. In my mind the most exact head of the article sounds like "Rusian special purpose units" or "Russian special purpose regiments" or "Russian special force regiments". And the artices "Specnaz" and "Spetsnaz" should redirect users here.
If nobody minds. I'll do that changes. And, please, type your opinion, it's very interesting. 
~~Yegor Chernyshev 19:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special purpose regiments 

message: Although it was unrefernced, I do not think it was proper to delete all this information. Why not mark this as  and wait a little?Biophys (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Information about specific Spetsnaz units

message: http://www.soldat.ru/forum/?gb=3&id=70744, 30 June 2008
===Российская Федерация===
( 1992 - ... )
В 1993-1994гг - менялись штатные расписания, появлялись учебные роты, менялось вооружение,
Часть данных приведена в сводном списке на конец 1991 года из предыдущей части.
Боевой состав на 2007:
* 2nd Independent Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) (ППД: п.Черехи, Промежицкй р-н, Псковская обл. ЛенВО) - 70 и 700 (Псковская обл, п Печора-1) , 177 (Кольский п-ов, п Пушной) - 329-й отряд, ШМС, Школа прапорщиков. 177-й был скадрирован в 1997-м. Однако к сентябрю 2000-го во 2-й бригаде было заново сформировано 2 отряда, в т.ч. и 177-й.
* 3rd Independent Guards Варшавско-Берлинская Краснознаменная ордена Кутузова 3-ей степени Spetsnaz Brigade "тяжелого состава" (ППД: п.Рощинский, р-н Черноречье Самарская обл. ПУрВО) - 330, 509, 510,512 ооСпН, 501,503.
* 10th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) "тяжелого состава" (образована в 2002 году п Мальково, Краснодарский край) - 107 оСпН, 4оуб СпН (сф в 2003), 85,95(сф в 2002),104,551 ооСпН (при СССР в Феодосии - 13 был развернут 325ооСпН) (Всего 7 отрядов).
* 12th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) (ППД: г.Асбест Свердловск обл. ПурВО, с 2004 года Челябинск) - 33 ооСпН. Известен также 374 отряд СпН (ППД - Н/Д).
* 14th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) "тяжелого состава" (ППД: г.Уссурийск, ДВО) – 282 ооСпН (Хабаровск), 294 ооСпН (Белогорск), отряд СРС, учебный отряд, и минимум 2 оСпН. Известен также 308 отряд СпН (Уссурийск-9).
* 16th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) (ППД: г.Тамбов МВО Переведена из Чучково в 2004 году.) - 370, 664, 669 (неотд). . Известен также 379 отряд СпН (ППД – Н./Д.).
* 22nd Independent Guards Spetsnaz Brigade (брСпН) "тяжелого состава" (п. Степной, Ростовская обл, СКВО) - 173, 411, 108 (сф в 2003 в г Батайск, далее ППД п. Ковалевка, Аксайский р-н, Ростовская обл, СКВО) ооСпН, 305оСпН (или наоборот 305 ооСпН, 108(неотд)), 54-й (56-й(?)) оуц СпН (п. Красная Поляна, Краснодарский край). На 2006 год 173, 411 и вновь сформированный 108-й отряды переведены в г Батайск.
* 24th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) "легкого состава" (пгт Кяхта (Улан-Удэ), СибВО) - 281 (всего:отряд СРС, 2 оСпН, 2 ооСпН, орСпМ, учебная рота)
* 67th Spetsnaz Brigade (обрСпН) (г.Бердск Новосибирская обл., СибВО) - 691 (Всего 2 отдельных и 3 "линейных" и отряд СРС). Известен также 690 отряд СпН (ППД-Н.Д.).
2-ая ОБрСпН в Чечне (2-ая чеченская) представлена сводным отрядом: одна рота 70-го, одна рота 700-го, одна рота 329-го, а управление, автовзвод, вмо и связь от каждого по очереди. Отряды СпН в Чечне соответствуют "неотдельным". В чечне воевал также отряд из 22-ой обрСпН (бригада стала гвардейской в 2001 году)
Во всех бригадах созданы учебные подразделения (это связано с тем, что печерский учебный полк перестал существовать). Отдельный учебный батальон только в 10-ой бригаде, в остальных ШМС (Школа младших специалистов - состоит из двух рот в одной три взвода в другой два и управления).
Остальные отряды скорее всего не развернуты, но на бумаге существуют.
О современной (1-ое десятилетие 21-го века) организации войск СпН
(не включая морской СпН)
Взвод тяжелого вооружения (в отдельных ротах этот взвод назвался специального минирования) как отдельная структура только в отдельных ротах. В отряде это рота тяжелого вооружения.
орСпН:
• управление роты;
• три взвода СпН (группы в ВВ);
• взвод СпМ (группа в ВВ);
• взвод СРС;
• взвод хозяйственного и десантного обеспечения.
Всего 115 человек.
На 1993-1995 годы 462-я орСпН 30-го гв АК ЛенВО имела по штату 128 человек (включала до 15 воинов-спортсменов, фактически в части не служивших).
Дополнительмый вариант ОШС орСпН на 2001 год - Штатный состав 120 человек, реально в 2 раза меньше.:
• Управление роты:
o Ком. Роты, п/п-к.
o Зам. по ВДС, майор.
o Зам. по инженерной подготовке, майор
o Зам. по воспитательной работе, капитан.
o Старшина роты, ст. пр-к.
o Секретчик, ст. Пр-к
o Кодировщик (срочник)
o Фельдшер ст.пр-к.
• Взвод разведки (*4), включая:
o Командиры взводов, капитаны / ст. лейтенанты,
o ЗКВ, пр-ки / ст.пр-ки.
o Комадиров отделений
o снайперов,
o гранатометчиков,
o пулеметчиков.
• Взвод спецрадиосвязи, включая:
o Ком. Взвода, ст. Лейтенант / ст.пр-к
o радистов РГ,
o Ком. радиостанций на машине, ст. пр-ки.
o радиотелеграфистов,
o водителей автомобилей с радиостанцией,
o аккумуляторщика.
• Взвод ТХО, включая:
o Ком. Взвода, ст. пр-к.
o Нач склада ПДИ, ст. пр-к.
o Нач склада РАВ, ст.пр-к.
o водители,
o повара.
РГ из взводов формировались примерно так (относится только к ТСП в мирное время) ком.группы офицер -ком. взвода (в зависимости от поставленной задачи мог быть и пр-к-ЗКВ и сержант из разведчиков), снайпер, гранатометчик, пулеметчик, 1-2 радиста с переносными р/с, аккумуляторами и ПЗУ, 1-2 разведчика дополнительно с АКС-74, по необходимости.
отряд СпН управления бригады:
• управление отряда;
• три роты СпН;
• рота СпМ (тяжелого вооружения).
Всего около 180-200 человек.
отдельный отряд СпН:
• штаб отряда;
• три роты СпН;
• рота тяжелого вооружения;
• учебная рота;
• рота СРС;
• взвод обеспечения.
Всего около 400 человек.
На базе взвода для выполнения боевой задачи создается группа, штатная численность которой 16 человек - это расклад: командир, замок, старший разведчик, 1-2 радиста, снайпер и т.д.
Свой штат ооСпН был в 3-й гв обрСпн, когда она была в ГСВГ.
===Источники===
#. Форум Военная разведка (vrazvedka.ru). Автор: 1071, 00:54:00 01/05/2002:
#. Сайт http://www.desantura.ru/
#. Сайт (ОШС оСпН): http://desantura.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6005
#. Суконкин Алексей, "Лиса в курятнике. Вдв и Спн."; http://artofwar.ru/s/sukonkin_a_s/text_0500.shtml
#. http://www.bratishka.ru/specnaz/gru/history.php
#. А. Волков – «Спецназ на тропе войны», http://www.rsva-ural.ru/library/mbook.php?id=386.
Pictures
hi do you mind if i add some spetnaz pics from the ussr  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie8282 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was support for move.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incoming material from Soldat.ru; to be translated 

message: #. Форум Военная разведка (vrazvedka.ru). Автор: 1071, 00:54:00 01/05/2002:
#. Сайт http://www.desantura.ru/
#. Сайт (ОШС оСпН): http://desantura.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6005
#. Суконкин Алексей, "Лиса в курятнике. Вдв и Спн."; http://artofwar.ru/s/sukonkin_a_s/text_0500.shtml
#. http://www.bratishka.ru/specnaz/gru/history.php
#. А. Волков – «Спецназ на тропе войны», http://www.rsva-ural.ru/library/mbook.php?id=386.
Pictures
hi do you mind if i add some spetnaz pics from the ussr  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie8282 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was support for move.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Источники

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support this makes sense 76.66.193.90 (talk) 06:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would simply be Russian special forces, which is not suitable for this article, while Spetsnaz is quite common throughout the world when referring to these special forces in a more accurate way (not in basic news articles). --Eurocopter (talk) 23:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: It's not clear to me why there's a reference to the usage of these troops in a video game at the beginning of the page. In my opinion the part
"In the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, they are depicted as an invasion/terrorist group in several missions."
should be removed without replacement.
(217.255.233.220 (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  reason for computer game reference 

message: I just began reading it, and I somehow notice the writer (whoever he/she may be) has oversold that rumor of the 85% failling. Such numbers are astronomical and completely innacurate. For instance, when he (the author) says "Their hand to hand fighting is extremely well implemented as they require special physical requirements to even get into training", he does not specify what type of CQC (or more common, CQB) style do they use nor what physical requirements are required. My opinion? This is someone who loves gaming and has read a few books on the Spetsnaz. I suggest an expert, or perhaps an active Spetsnaz to correct and write about this subject, for it is not quite correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.153.161.24 (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would go back to Soviet Internal Troops (that was hardly a justifiable edit) and SMERSH. One needs good books as sources to write about this. My very best wishes (talk) 18:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, I do not have time to improve these articles. As a side note, if someone follows you in various articles, but does not do anything contentious (like reverting your edits or making claims about you personally), this is not wikistalking. This is something you should learn to tolerate. I had someone (M.) who followed and occasionally reverted my edits for years. No problem.My very best wishes (talk) 21:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearly, this article's writer has taken sides 

message: Now it "only" needs references. --Niemti (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite complete 

message: If you're soooo interested about this guy, whoever he was (his totally unreferenced article isn't even very clear - was he GRU? The partisans were controlled rather by the NKVD, also they were partisans and not special forces), go and edit his article. And bring some (any) reliable sources when you're at it. --Niemti (talk) 09:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: exactly. the only proper sources are in russian. that's why it's a translated page. unless you want me to cite russian sourcesLugnuthemvar (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ilya Starinov 

message: Your illustrations are entirely random, and almost all of them (5/7) are Internal Troops! Which is in a way kind of throwback to the original shitty article that only had army guys plus a crappy photo of Belarusian OMON of all things.
While my is perfect in every way, including due representation (2 VV (one for the red beret thing), 2 army (Soviet and Russian), 2 police (riot and rapid-response), 1 FSB (would add the KGB if there was any), and also 1 Kremlin Regiment (but now identified as such instead of "honor guard")), captioned in not confusing way, and even being visually well composed (just look at the GRU pics, at the the SOBR guy and the priest in the one below him).   Also, no random bolding. So revert yourself --Niemti (talk) 17:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  God, what now again 

message: Can we get any information on here about training and selection? Most other articles of a similar information. Is such info available? Sephiroth storm (talk) 16:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training? 

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