Talk:International College, Beirut

message: * Time does not say AUB is the finest. It does say " Today Istanbul's Robert College, and the seven others in the Near East College Association,† (Istanbul Woman's College, the American College of Sofia, the American School for Boys at Baghdad, the American University of Beirut, International College (also at Beirut), Athens College, Damascus College in Syria (founded in September 1945) ) have 40,000 alumni, including 29 U.N. delegates and advisers, have become the biggest single reservoir of U.S. goodwill in the strategic Near East. Last week 59 U.S. teachers sailed from New York to restaff the Near East colleges."
If this was said in 1946, it logically makes it much more prestigious now.
* Cragg as well doesn't say only AUB is the finest, he says "together with its younger offshoots, International College and the Beirut College for Women".
* USAID, which is an American governmental organization, says "IC has a long and illustrious history as one of the finest educational institutions in the world."
* The Harvard Arab Alumni calls it "the largest and most prestigious American high school in Lebanon".
I notice it bothers you that this school is better than most American high schools, probably why you ignored the fact that, from personal experience, I see it as much more prestigious than Louis le Grand and Lycee Henri IV, which in turn, are finer than the Sorbonne and the College de France. You probably forgot I told you that. The sources are enough. KlakSonnTalk 14:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that the more personal remarks are not directed at me but would you please clarify in the lead that this is a high school or preparatory school. With that clarified I think there is little problem with your superlatives. Thank you. --Justanother 14:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That is vital to a description of the nature of the school and should go in the lead. Especially as the American usage of the term college is for a four year post-graduate school. --Justanother 15:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I came to this page to comment on changes I am going to make to the text, but I see the discussion has already gone on, and yet the text has not been altered.  The four sources cited do not support the claim that the International College is "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world", not by a long stretch. 
*Link 1  merely lists it as one the seven others in the Near East College Association.  
*Link 2 merely says it is undergoing re-accreditation process. 
*Link 3 says it is "the largest and most prestigious American high school in Lebanon", which is not the same thing as "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world" by a long stretch of the imagination. 
*Link 4 merely says it is an offshoot of the American University of Beirut. 
All four supporting sources says something quite different from what the Wikipedia article claims say they say. Inferences have been drawn from the sources that are not supportable, and so I am removing the unsupported line from the article. Find a quote that directly supports the claim and the claim can go back in. 86.140.131.87 18:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsupported claims

message: Mischaracterization of a measured and explained edit as "vandalism" as in (rv vandalism - very stupid thing to do)  is very inappropriate. Diff. I happen to agree with the IP's edit but I am not going to edit war about it. I imagine that his version will end up being what the intro looks like when all is said and done. --Justanother 21:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User Klaksonn continues to mischaracterize edits as vandalism even though they are clearly not this is not acceptable. --Daniel J. Leivick 17:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Boohoo. KlakSonnTalk 18:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mischaracterization of another editors work as "vandalism" is a no-no 

message: * Link 1 merely lists it as one the seven others in the Near East College Association. 
It says "Today Istanbul's Robert College, and the seven others in the Near East College Association,† (Istanbul Woman's College, the American College of Sofia, the American School for Boys at Baghdad, the American University of Beirut, International College (also at Beirut), Athens College, Damascus College in Syria (founded in September 1945) have 40,000 alumni, including 29 U.N. delegates and advisers, have become the biggest single reservoir of U.S. goodwill in the strategic Near East. Last week 59 U.S. teachers sailed from New York to restaff the Near East colleges."
There is a slight difference between what you said and what was actually written.
* Link 2 merely says it is undergoing re-accreditation process. 
Link 2, if you look to October 13, 2005, explicitely says "IC has a long and illustrious history as one of the finest educational institutions in the world." 
I sincerely doubt you missed this part.
* Link 3 says it is "the largest and most prestigious American high school in Lebanon", which is not the same thing as "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world" by a long stretch of the imagination. 
It does say it is "the largest and most prestigious American high school in Lebanon", which is good enough and surely not by a "long stretch of imagination".
* Link 4 merely says it is an offshoot of the American University of Beirut.
Link 4 says "The American University of Beirut [...] came to occupy a unique place in the annals of Lebanese education, together with its younger offshoots, International College and the Beirut College for Women." Saying "Link 4 merely says it is an offshoot of the American University of Beirut" shows your intentions. 
The quote that directly supports my claim comes from USAID, an American governmental organization. But I guess if you assumed good faith, you wouldn't have ignored the content of the sources and the whole talk page. KlakSonnTalk 21:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, one of the four citations supports your claim. Why are all four there? Perhaps you should AGF that the IP made the same error that I did at first, going to that page and not understanding what we were supposed to see (yes, I see now but I missed it earlier). AGF that seeing that three of four did not support you and the fourth was not directly evident, he moderated your claim to align it with the other three references. Superlatives such as you want to use are dicey; so now you have one that supports and one that does not really, and a couple that invite the reader to infer your conclusion. --Justanother 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Calling the International College, Beirut one of the finest educational institutes in the world in the lead paragraph is truly ludicrous.  Look at some of the pages for leading world colleges.  Not one needs to puff it self up in the lead paragraph.  In any case just because one source says something does not mean it can just be put into an article as fact, if you really want to use the USAID source you can same  something along the lines of "the USAID has called it one of the finest..." --Daniel J. Leivick 17:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is sad. 

message: Do any of the sources provided specifically state that this high school is one of the finest educational institutes in the world.  Klaksonn's vehemence makes me skeptical and I havn't been able to find it myself. --Daniel J. Leivick 16:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Claims and sources

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