Talk:Art Students League of New York

message: Only the part below the copy violation notice and before the links looks like a violation. Sparkit 15:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: copyvio

message: Are these names in any sort of order?Freiherrin (talk) 06:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It might not be in keeping with the character of the League if the list was organized in any sort of order. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For what its worth the deletion was fully justified, made to a red inked addition made by an IP... Having made more than 60 additions to this page I think the above verges on a violation of WP:AGF...against me..Modernist (talk) 21:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're on the same page . . . I myself did not notice the link was dead until after I made the above comment, and subsequently repaired it. Then I realized that was probably why you trimmed it in the first place. I'm also now aware of your substantive contributions across the board on art-related articles. It would be great if some better content could be added to this one, but I don't currently have access to much in the way of reliable sources. The lengthy list is a reasonable start but the article would be improved if more substantive content could be added. --Shorn again (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, I gave it a whack, entering more information from the ASL's own site and some NYT articles. It's just a rough start and edits and additions are surely necessary and welcome, but at least it begins to get some overall structure in. --Shorn again (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Question re names of teachers and alumni

message: How about a photo of the exterior of the building or a studio / class for illustration purposes? --Shorn again (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in agreement concerning the current photo and another picture would be welcome. Modernist (talk) 22:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not thinking so highly of the pic when I took it, I'm pleased and surprized at such praise.  Since it's down the street from my usual grocery I can try taking a few others at different times of day and weather conditions and offer them to better critics than myself for selection.  Not in the next few weeks however; lovely summer weather has kept me on the bicycle, producing a backlog of more than a thousand pix to look through and compare to pictureless articles.  Filled my SD card this afternoon in Fresh Pond, Queens and haven't yet finished looking at the previous card.  Snowstorms will allow cutting into the backlog.  Hope to see some of you on Sunday, Aug 23 at the Wikipicnic at Prospect Park.  Jim.henderson (talk) 22:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustration

message: Good job with the new categories, and paring both of the long lists down. Some deletions should be restored - those very well known artists who are thought of as being connected to the league - like William Merritt Chase and Charles Alston to name two. Modernist (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should only list artists with articles and with citation verifications. Kingturtle (talk) 05:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that notable people still don't have articles yet. I was just trying to think of a way to keep the list manageable. Kingturtle (talk) 06:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

text: oh, okay. Just that the League is famous for having had most major american artists as members (instructors and/or students) since it was opened (for example the Abstract Expressionists), that is why the list is necessarily so long. --UBU07 (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree in spirit; the lists became so long that they were unreadable after a while..I've re-added a few names..Members are actually selected faculty and students and others who have been nominated and elected; it's not an automatic process...btw..Modernist (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, you are correct, there is a nomination & election process, it is just that if you look at Linea, they give "Members' News", not "Alumni News" , thanks for making that clear. But the category of Students of Art Students League of New York sounds really awkward?
Thanks for the spelling correction, by the way. --UBU07 (talk) 00:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent deletions

message: This article has improved somewhat in the past year or so, with contributions from many sources, altough the content still needs further development. However, I would argue that the lists of students and teachers add little to the article, and that this not a particularly helpful format for anyone seeking particular information. There has been consensus that anyone considered notable should have their own article written before being listed here. As there are now categories for each of those classifications and the articles on each person can be listed under those categories, the lists here are also redundant. Based on this, I propose deleting the lists entirely from the article and leaving only the links to the category pages. Thoughts? --Shorn again (talk) 21:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to delete lists

message: The school's list of renowned alumni also includes:  Alan Brookman Beddoe, Aaron Bohrod, Angna Enters, John Philip Falter, Elaine Hamilton, Thomas Lamb, John Alan Maxwell, Jozef C. Mazur, Henry McBride, Ray Osrin, Sonya Rapoport,  Bridget Bate Tichenor,  Hervé Villechaize,  Stow Wengenroth...Modernist (talk) 13:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Add

message: I recently reverted the add of a long-time ASL instructor who does not appear to be a 'notable' artist per Wikipedia criteria. In brief, generally everyone included is linked to an existing Wikipedia page, which we have taken as sufficient evidence of notablilty. The general consensus is that if someone is notable, build their own page first, then list them here. If there is a compelling reason to include information on someone not notable other than their association with the ASL, provide the rationale. Shorn again (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Instructors

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message: This section needs editing; but otherwise is relevant to the article...Modernist (talk) 12:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: yes I am in agreement with you we should have this, but right now as it is, this list looks like a copy vio, and has no relevance without clean up and citations. It has been tagged for clean up since May 2020 with no actions. In this talk page from 2008 you were in discussion about organizing and clean up of this list too. How long do we wait? Jooojay (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I will get to it in the next day or two...Modernist (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am happy to help, if you need it. Jooojay (talk) 02:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

text:  Unless you can present a compelling argument to go against this guideline, the list format should be preferred. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been watching the article for a while and would like to see the names in a bulleted list, as this would be much more readable. I agree that it is currently a wall of text. I would also like to see both lists - staff and students - reduced to only those people with a reliable reference indicating attendance or teaching at the institution. Tacyarg (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Thanks. That is considerably easier to read and edit. Tacyarg (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable alumni section