Talk:Dhulbahante

message: The Dhulbahante live in almost half of Togdheer, occupy  40 percent of the land in Sanaag with the the warsengeli tribe elder brother of the Dhulbahante living in 50 percent of Sanaag and the minority isaaq clan living the remaining 10 percent of the Sanaag region and reside exclusively in  Sool region. —the preceding comment is by L33ter - 17:08, 17 April 2006: Please sign your posts!
::The Dhulbahante live  in Six regions: Sool, Togdheere (Buhoodle out the four districts of this region), Sanaag (Erigavo out of the three districts of Sanaag), Nugaal (Near the border of Sool which used be  part of nugaal and Nugaal), Jubbada Hoose (In the district of Kismayo), Zone five of the Somali National state of Ethiopia (Bookh District and Buhoodle area). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.146.115.21 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 4 June 2006  (UTC)
:::Thanks for your response, but can you cite a source for this? The whole point is that the current claims are disputed, so any information related to this should be verifiable. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather then adding information that you know from personal experience, please add information that we can verify. Thanks -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: To 75.161.248.2, if you want the people on the list then they need to be sourced and even better have an article. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable people

message: Is I. M. Lewis, "Force and Fission in Northern Somali Lineage Structure", American Anthropologist, New Series, 63 (1961), pp. 94-112. Figure 3 in this article provides a genealogical tree of the sub-clans of this Somali group. (I'd add the information, but I'm not quite certain how to insert it into this article without causing unnecessary drama or -- even more importantly -- mistakes.) -- llywrch (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You could blend it into the current clan tree, do another tree below the current one that would show the differences between sources or post it on the talk page first. Don' worry about drama or mistakes. something lame from CBW 19:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A source on subdivisions of the Dhulbahante 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Dhulbahante Clan 185.13.106.233 (talk) 21:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  —  IVORK Discuss 00:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 February 2018 

message: As this is an English wikipedia article "Dhulbahante" should be spelled "Dulbahante" or "Dolbahanta" , that's how it is usally spelled by English speaking scholars . Also the Somali transliteration is wrong it should spelled "Dhulbahante" (like in the name of the article) not "Duulbaahaante" which lacks the "H" and uses double vowels. The Arabic transliteration is also incorrect , it says "لبهانتة‎" (Al-Bahante/Bahante") it should be like this "دلبةنتئ". GeelJire (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I'd suggest a WP:RM if you are wanting to change the name, else I can create redirects from those pages for now if you'd want   —  IVORK Discuss 00:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 April 2018 

message: 198.208.47.95 (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: this request is not specific about what needs to be changed. — xaosflux Talk 20:14, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2018 

message: Much of the information written about the Dhulbahante during the Dervish period seems to be inaccurate although its sources. I would recommend that it be looked at again. Futhemore, the sources are books written by colonial officers in a very derogatory and disrespectful manner, I don't these sources should be used in wikipedia. Shirshore (talk) 02:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dervish Period. 

message: @Dabaqabad I reworded the content in a more concise way. No sourced content was removed. Please see the article again your edit is already covered above in the article at citation [60].
 How is changing it from "expect the three sub-clans of Rer Hagar, Rer Wais Adan and Ba Idris who were considered friendly by the British" to: "expect three small sub-clans" rewording content in a concise way?
In addition, you changed a paragraph in the same section from "In 1904 Hassan attacked the Jama Siad clan and in 1908 the Dhulbahante raided the Dervish and looted their camels" to "For instance, in 1904 Dervishes attacked segments of the Dhulbahante, and similarly in 1908 Dhulbahante fighters raided a Dervish garrison"?
That is the opposite of concise as it makes the text vague, and makes the whole situation less clear. Dabaqabad (talk) 13:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Dabaqabad Okay, revert the edit as you see fit. Shirshore (talk) 14:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 2021 

message: @Dabaqabad I would urge you to stop reverting and deleting sourced edits. You have done this twice on this article - here today  and a few days ago you deleted this sourced sentence : 
"The Dhulbahante in Buuhodle were particularly the first and most persistent supporters of the Dervish Movement". Shirshore (talk) 09:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Dabaqabad I haven't removed any cited text, I might of reworded so the content of the article follows better. Also there is no POV editing on my part, I only cite reliable publications to provide a fair and balanced description for readers. Regarding the history section, the role the Dhulbahante played in the Dervish Movement is well documented and the two are almost inseparable in most literature. I don't doubt there were segments of the Dhulbahante who at times switched sides and joined the British, but this is expected as no conflict is ever clear cut. Nonetheless, please avoid removing text that is cited, thanks. Shirshore (talk) 22:25, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptive Edits 

message: / Please stop removing sourced material without an adequate explanation. The resistance and eventual assassination of the leader of the Dhulbahante at the time at the hands of the Mullah is very relevant indeed, especially in the Dervish history section. Dabaqabad (talk) 23:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop reverting 

message: In history section please talk about the Dhulbahante Garaadte in depth, thank you. Abdo1279 (talk) 08:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.   melecie   t 10:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 July 2021 

message: Hello ,
I partially reverted your edit on this article since the source you cited does not explicitly state or imply that all Dervish forts are referred to as "Dhulbahante garesas". Ferro e Fuoco in Somalia, da Francesco Saverio Caroselli, Rome, 1931; p. 272 only mentions that the Dhulbahante clan handed over garesas to the British, with those garesas or houses not being specified. I checked the discussion you linked at the Dervish article that the Italian-speaking users took part in (link) and there is nothing there that could even remotely be construed as all Dervish forts being Dhulbahante garesas. You therefore referring to all Dervish forts (including Taleh) as Dhulbahante garesas is original research.
Hope that clears things.
Many thanks,
Dabaqabad (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Dhulbahante garesa 

message: Hello ,
I partially reverted your edit manually since the section with the blockquote doesn't support the actual content. While it only mentions the "belittling" of Hassan, there is no explicit mention of any sort of distortion of a "motive to liberate Somali territories" (matter of that no such thing is mentioned). Then is the fact that the edit summary is incorrect; these native sources you mention actually cite these colonial sources and heavily take from them. Gebagebo (talk) 23:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2022 

message: Hello ,
I removed "triumvirate of Darawiish rule, which included a Sultan, emir (the Sayid), and a haroun government" in the sentence "According to John William Carnegie Kirk, most Dhulbahante clans sided with the triumvirate of Darawiish rule, which included a Sultan, emir (the Sayid), and a haroun government" since this was not supported by the cited source. The letter itself does not suggest a triumvirate of any sort, and nor is a triumvirate mentioned anywhere else in this source or in other sources covering the Dervishes. Stop adding original research to Dervish-related articles. Dabaqabad (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of triumvirate 

message: I removed content which contains derogatory language that intends to belittle the group concerned. This is Wikipedia were information must be provided in a respectful manner. There are abundant sources available which demean and belittle all Somali groups, if this standard is allowed on Wikipedia, the platform will be disposed to hate rhetoric instead of providing readers respectful and credible information. If you disagree with my action please engage here and explain the reasons why you think this content must be kept on the article. Shirshore (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derogatory content 

message: Change "horse breed" in #History#19th century to a link to the page Suleiman horse (visually maintained as horse breed). This page is currently orphaned. Loopexott (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 July 2022 

message: Khaatumo is formed no more somliland stop writing lies in here new history from august 25 2023 is needed 2600:1700:2870:91B0:71C7:E214:7BB0:6271 (talk) 23:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major change of power 

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 Joeciliton (talk) 23:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2023