Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 11

message: Note: I've been doing this a while now and it adds significantly to the time the update takes me. Further I've had at least one user take affront at my comment as to why his nom wasn't selected, although it wasn't the most comprehensive comment, I could have done better. On the other hand it does seem to get the hooks improved and so forth in some cases... So I'm thinking this is mixed, at best.  I find I haven't been commenting on any noms above where I stop at all! And if the update lags, the ones I am taking and not taking are about to fall off the 5 day ledge because the update frequency has been low. 
On balance I'd cut it as extra work and instead encourage people to take a few min here and there to look and comment on noms.++Lar: t/c 15:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In progress review of commenting on every suggestion not selected 

message: Above, Piotr asks if there is a list of who updates or a process for becoming an admin that updates DYK. This is my view only, but there is no list, and no process to "become one". Just jump in. If you're an admin and you're interested, read up on the update process and the suggestions, guidelines and so forth... then maybe use history on the template and the template talk to see what edits are made in what order, and then just do it! Other admins will be happy to help you out or offer suggestions. I was in IRC the first time I did it but ended up not really needing to ask anyone anything, it went smoothly... That's how I started, it's no big deal per se. Anyone else have a comment?  Hope that helps! Another pair of hands would always be welcome. ++Lar: t/c 22:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have a go this evening. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional DYK updaters 

message: I would like to see the unused suggestions header left at level 3, same as the dates, that way if you edit the entire suggestions section, you can make a day unused by just moving the unused section up a day instead of having to either edit the entire page (risky) or by cutting and pasting in two separate edits (also risky). I have changed it to level 3, explaining why in the edit comments, several times, but someone keeps changing it back. Please discuss, thanks. If there is an issue with doing this I'd like to know what it is. If several people were doing updates and no one else liked it, that would be one thing but I've done the last few all by myself. (after today I will not be able to do updates, or less anyway, for about 5 days as I am going to a convention.) ++Lar: t/c 15:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level of unused suggestions 

message: I can't make my mind up from what the DYK rules state so could someone clarify this for me. Suppose I work on an article in my userspace for some time and then move the article into the main namespace when I have finished. Is that article eligible for DYK as it is a newly-created article or not? The article could well have a substantial edit history dating back more than the 5 day cutoff of DYK. I think it should be allowed, if it wasn't it would encourage editors who make articles in their userspace to copy/paste, which I think should be discouraged.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on all points. I consider it allowed, and I measure the start time from when the move happened, not the first edit. I admit bias because this is typically how I develop new articles, it gives time for them to get done nicely before I go "live" with them. An article is new because it's newly visible. We should not encourage either copy pasting OR rushed work, there is no rush here, we have time to get good articles. The downside potential is that while you are privately working on an article, someone else may do one with the same title, but in that case you should just merge your stuff with theirs and be happy...  (remember we do not own articles!) the article became visible earlier than if you had been working alone. All of the above is my opinion only. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 17:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for that. I thought that was probably the case, but best to make sure...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on userspace 

message: Greetings folks, got a bit of a technicality question. 
On Talk:Battle_of_Khaybar there is displayed an infobox that explains that an entry from Battle of Khaybar appeared in the Did you know? column on 8th May, 2006. 
Technically speaking the information in this infobox is correct at 22:54 May 8th till 04:40 May 9th (a total of nearly 6 hours) a DYK question relative to the Battle of Khaybar article was displayed. The problem is that this display was done in error. 
My question is this, despite the DYK question having been displayed in error (out of process) should the Talk:Battle_of_Khaybar display the infobox as though the DYK was legitimate? Myself and another editor have been trying to remove
the infobox in accord with such logic but some other editors insist that it be displayed. Please see this related discussion. What should be done? Thanks. (→Netscott) 23:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Displaying of a talk page DYK template

message: (copied from Mgm)
I see you've been working on this (and I cribbed what you did for Template:UpdatedDYKNom) per  I think it may have broken all the older usages, if you check what links here and follow a random link you'll see some messes. Let's discuss on WPT:DYK ok? something needs to be done I think. My suggestion would be that if the parms are not present, the whole date is omitted completely (and the template assumes parm 1 is the article name instead of parm 3). This kind of logic is doable with #ifexists and #switch, I know how... but I would prefer to discuss first. Thoughts? ++Lar: t/c 23:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated it to be similar to UpdatedDYKNom, because I often informed users some days after the article actually featured and altering the dates was a lot of work. If you want to renumber so the article is the first parameter, I've got no problems with that. If older articles are broken by the update, they should be subst: with the correct information. This is a subst: type of template. I couldn't find any examples of the template messing up. Can you point to a specific one? - Mgm|(talk) 11:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do a what links here... first one I checked had the problem. I agree it's an improvement but I think changing the order to have the art first would fix things a lot. I may make time to try to make that chnage (if you don't beat me to it) for both of them. Let's stay threaded here ok? ++Lar: t/c 12:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Good work guys. My preference would be to default to inserting CURRENTMONTHNAME and CURRENTDAY for the date if only the article name parameter is supplied. That way it would still function like the old version for immediate notifications, but still have the 3 parameter facility for later notifications. Is this possible, I'm no template guru? --Cactus.man ✍ 08:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I am pretty sure it is possible. I have to test it under the various subst permutations though, the templates I've done the most surgery on don't get subst'd. I plan to work on this when I have some time... I am pretty busy with a client in late stage production support that has issues but soon, soon, unless MgM or someone else beats me to it. ++Lar: t/c 11:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Still on my list to fix this, just haven't gotten a chance yet. early experiments with substitution warning caused some weird results. ++Lar: t/c 19:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:UpdatedDYK]] hacking