Talk:Red Star Belgrade

message: I propose that the stars in the logo get removed. Is this okay? (LAz17 (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Juventus F.C. removed them, what about other cases? I was already told, but I forgot, what do they exactly mean? Are they 1 World, 1 Euro Cup? FkpCascais (talk) 01:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what they are. No other clubs in Zvezda seem to have them - however FK Partizan has these. They must mean something in soccer - but who knows what? (LAz17 (talk) 04:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They usually mean 10 national championships (I know in Partizan case, and some other world football clubs they do) but they can have different meanings depending on the decision of each club. I think this stars in the official crest issue is not regulated worldwide, but rather nationally. They are usual to see in the major winning trophies clubs in the world, so I feel good that Serbian clubs follow this trend, as well. I don´t support all trends (I rather dislike trends), but in this particular case, when stars mean titles, I do like it. I understand you now better, because you are dealing with the all crests of Red Stars different sport clubs, but for football case, I prefer to leave them, having the official logo with stars. But, I don´t want to monopolise this decision, so it would be great to have more touths from other editors on this. Thanx Laz. FkpCascais (talk) 05:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Juventus F.C. didn't remove its stars, its just a logo restyling, the stars are now outside the logo. For Red Star the two stars mean two European Cup won. See: Star (football crest). Theirrulez (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  logo 

message: As FkpCascais has mentioned, the name Crvena zvezda is pretty hard to pronounce for the people not coming from the former Yugoslavia. That's when I've noticed we don't have IPA pronunciation here, and it would be very useful. I believe it should be something like [tsrvænʌ zvæzdʌ], but, unfortunately, I am not sure if I am right, and I don't want to write something I am not sure of. Is there anyone willing to put up a correct IPA pronunciation of the Serbian name here?--Vitriden (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent idea. Something should be done about this, especially when the page gets moved to the common name FK Crvena Zvezda. (LAz17 (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I´ll try to see who could help on this. FkpCascais (talk) 08:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's anyone willing to decipher, this could be useful: Wikipedia:IPA for Serbo-Croatian.--Vitriden (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA pronunciation 

message: Once more a consensus was not reached about the title of the article and the discussion was archived without any proposal or further resolution. The point here is not to close the discussion after the deadline has passed. A 6th or even a 10th move request will be asked in the future. The administrator or any editor who archives the discussion should take this into account. - Sthenel (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Majority"? But 8 oposed, and only 5 wanted... FkpCascais (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: What the??? What is the next step? To turn KHK Crvena Zvezda into HC Red Star Belgrade, and so forth?? a-ya-yaiy... (LAz17 (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The next step is to drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What 

message: Dodat grafički prikaz moguće prve postave. Predlažem da je ne čačkamo svaki čas, s obzirom da je tim tek otišao na pripreme i da je prelazni rok u toku.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulian (talk • contribs) 17:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bolje pisi na Engleskom, da ne kenjaju zbog jezika. Elem, I don't see point of graphical representation of starting eleven. Because any formation we can put is more or less biased. For example, starting eleven that you put is impossible, in Serbian SuperLiga. Since it has more than 4 foreign players. My suggestion is that we remove this from this page and perhaps place it on this page: 2011–12 Red Star Belgrade season. And that we base that graphical representations on number of appearances in starting lineups during the season. Something like on Arsenal's page: 2010–11 Arsenal F.C. season#Starting 11. Nightfall87 (talk) 17:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current  Squad 

message: I propose a semi-protection. Constantly come unannounced users and try to distort the data. I wanted a semi-protect. What should I do?--Nado158 (talk) 05:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-Protection

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message: OK, after partially cleaning up the youth sections of FK Partizan and FK Vojvodina (and there is still work with Vojvodina as it is unsourced and still with promotional tone), I have decided that here on Red Star there was so much work to do that it was not even worth having it for time being.  To start with, the youth section I removed it was almost a copy/paste promotional tone from the one I partially, not to say entirely, cleaned up at FK Partizan article.  Now, lets see what was wrong:
*"Red Star team was always formed out of its youth players and by occasionally bringing young, talented footballers, mainly from smaller Serbian clubs, into the team."  - False The same exact sentence was also written in Partizan article, also false.
Red Star was never formed out of its youth players, and only ocassionally had a few players in the starting line-up coming from their youth sqaud. 
Some may like it or not, but Red Star mostly brough good players from other teams, first in Yugoslavia, and now in Serbia and some parts of the region.  And these clubs the players were brought from were not at all necessarilly "smaller clubs", but mostly quite the opposite, Red Star usually brings to their squad players from regional medium size clubs, not to mention that during Yugoslavia it was not rare to see the big two (CZ and FKP) bringing the best players from the other best Yugoslav clubs (Zeljeznicar, Vardar, Velez, Vojvodina, Rijeka, Osijek, etc.).  Basically only Dinamo Zagreb and Hajduk Split had any chance of breaking this tendency and keeping their best players, and even so, numerous players from those two clubs were brought to both, Red Star and Partizan.  So, "smaller Serbian clubs"?  Leaves a totally wrong idea.  Then, can we look at List of Red Star Belgrade footballers and can anyone tell me how many are from its own youth team?  Can anyone number me 20 among all?  And how many players are on the list? Houndreds, over 1.000 perhaps!
Now, why this exaggeration about the youth schools? What is wrong about bringing players from other clubs?  Ah, is it because of the sudden propaganda in Serbia about the glorius "omladinski pogoni" which are going to save the bank accounts of local managers and convince the fans that is better not to buy real professional footballers, but bring instead a bunch of kinds from the school spending 0 euros?  Certainly is.  And now we have to present in an online encyclopedia a lie how that is the "club tradition" and happend allways? No.
Also, who added lists of players from which half of them were never even players of the youth schools of mentioned clubs?  With what purpose? Sinisa Mihajlovic a Vojvodina school product? He was already a senior for 2 entire years before coming to Vojvodina, and he came straight to the senior squad. Well, at least he was not added at Red Star school as well... maybe Lazio could then claim he played in their youth school as well! 
Now please, lets be serious. Lets separate what is trouth and what is imagination and current pure propaganda.  During Yugoslavia, the biggest Serbian clubs almost allways brought their players from other the top league clubs to their teams, and the players which came from the youth team were basically rare, and even those were mostly brought there from somewhere else.  And recently, yes, Partizan did relied on its youth school, but lets not exagerate.  Only a hand full of players had really good careers and now because of them the entire subject of the youth academies is exagerated. Yes, because of Jovetic and Nastasic now Partizan academy is suddently a factory of Messi´s and Maradona´s, yes right...  And now Red Star wants to copy the system as they don´t have money to buy real players, so they hope some new Vidic or Stankovic will come out of the kinder-garden such as happend with Nastasic in Partizan, but because of that now saying that that is a traditional way Red Star functioned? No.  Talking about Partizan, even "Partizanove bebe" from the 1960s were many scouted and broguht from all over Yugoslavia.
Vojvodina as well got their school on feet only recently, and they can only basically say that Krasic was their big name from the recent past, but beside him, it is really the current players that we are mostly talking about when refering to their academy, and most of them are really still building their careers (Aleksic, Medojevic, Katai, etc.) hardly worth glorifiying the club school because of them...
And about Partizan being the second best school after Ajax?  That is the joke of the century (and notece I am Partizan fan).  I can count you right away at least 20 European clubs with much better academy results and that don´t even mention it in the article...
 
So, lets not exagerate, OK?  And lets see the thing from the real perspective, as the entire histeria at the Serbian FA about football schools will only cost Serbian clubs to loose their professional perspective, and make them simple factories of (mostly mediocre) young players, so the Karadzic-friendly managers get new meat to sell. And also for the old racist chaps ruling Serbian football to convince that foreigners are bad, and that the "school" and "naša deca" is the way... And while club direction boards end up accepting this policy because of convenience (as I said, they convince the fans that is not worth spending money on real pro players when we have self-proclaimed Maradona´s in our schools who will cost us nothing and which we will sell soon and fullfill our pockets), that is not reason enough for us to write here on English Wikipedia unsourced essays about the glorious Serbian football schools...  And then old school Serbian self-proclaimed journalists make essays about "Why our petit Maradona´s lost against clubs from Cyprus" not ever even trying to see the reality, but even further making wrong excuses and digging themselfs in further lies and further bullshit, but that is another story...
I made an effort at FK Partizan article to bring it to some sourced encyclopedic level. Now, either we have sourced untendentious texts, or then it is better to have nothing on the youth school subject. FkpCascais (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youth school story 

message: The name Crvena zvezda is the official name of the club, is registered under that name and its a trademark. Its basically a company name and those are usually written in its native language. Furthermore, the governing body of European football, the UEFA, clearly uses the name Crvena zvezda for this club (see: ). Regards, Ratipok (talk) 14:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In my view, probably not as per WP:COMMONNAME. In English, Red Star Belgrade is the more common name. No problem with moving if you could show that there was greater use of Crvena Zvezda in English sources than Red Star Belgrade. Fenix down (talk) 15:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also what about other sections of the club? E.g.: KK Crvena Zvezda is not called KK Red Star Belgrade for example and none of the other sections use "Red Star" either? Plus Red Star is used in England only because commentators couldn't pronounce their actual name. Otherwise Borussia Dortmund would be called "Prussia Dortmund", Legia Warszawa "Legion Warsaw", Al Ahly SC "National SC" etc. etc. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: FK Crvena zvezda is imho the most appropriate name for the page about the football club, and Red Star Belgrade should be a redirection for SD Crvena zvezda. OxymoronNBG (talk) 23:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There were already several discussions on this issue, and the result was allways that English commonname for the football club was Red Star Belgrade. And, since this is English language Wikipedia, it doesn't matter what the official name in Serbian language is, but the commonname in English sources. FkpCascais (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  A quick English language Google comes up as "Crvena Zvezda" 11.5 million, "Red Star Belgrade" 1.25 million. I severely doubt Red Star is more popular than Crvena Zvezda even in anglophone countries Abcmaxx (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See the archives.  Depends on how you did the search.  Don't forget it must be English language and specifically about the football club. FkpCascais (talk) 18:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldnt this article be named "Crvena zvezda"? 

message: The article about Red Star contains some inaccuracies:
Gojko Zec was only a coach in period 1976-1978. Branko Stankovic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branko_Stankovi%C4%87 was the coach 1979-1982 who has brought Red Star to Uefa Cup Final in season 1978/79. During period of 1978-1982, Red Star also won Yugoslav Championship 2 times and 1 national cup. It was also a period of consistent participation in Uefa Cups with some classsic games agest Bayern Munchen in 1978/79, Inter Milan in 1980/81 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup) and Anderlecht in 1981/82 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup).
It is also worth mentioning that Read Star was in the semifinal of European Chmapions Cup 1956/57 losing on single goal by Firoentina scored in last minute.
Article also does not mention extremely successful 1970/71 when unfortunate defeat against Panathenaicos in smeifinal fo Europen Champions Cup prevented Red Star reaching final of the competition.
 
Also, in season 1974/75 Red Star beat Real madrid in quaterfinal of Cup Winners cup 1975/75 after penalties, which led to the semifinal game versus Ferenzvaros with highest ever official attendance on Red Star Marakana Stadioum (96,095 spectators). Tie was eventually lost with late penalty which prevented going into the extra-time.
Mladence (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  (e • t • c) 03:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2015 

message: why have you put Adam Mitchell back in the list of the first team? I know he has been signed by Red Star, but that is not the same as being in their first team. The team is listed on the Red Star website here and he is not on it. Do you have a reliable source that says he is? JohnCD (talk) 14:56, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem with that list is that is not so often updated. I guess that their website admin is not as fast as we here on wikipedia. There are few other players that are part of a first team currently but are missing from that list (Phibel, Vučićević, Avramovski, newly signed Ruiz). As for the source, I think that official list of players for pre-season tour could be used for that. Don't know how good you are with Serbian though. Nightfall87 (talk) 16:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

text: John, indeed, the official website list usually takes time to update. Mitchell has been with the team playing the frindlies, no reason whatsoever t exclude him, really. We have been editing football for a decade here, this is absolutelly usual. FkpCascais (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks, that's a good enough source. (I can read Cyrillic enough to recognize Адам Мичел, but I rely on Google Translate for the rest). Once he has actually played in the first team for a serious match, he should have an article, but not till then. JohnCD (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adam Mitchell 

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message: OK gentleman, we have a problem here. We need to see how to correctly present this title. Right at start the issue becomes controversial. The Red Star managment wants to have recognised that title as national, but that is not possible. "National" would have meant Yugoslav, and that league was just one of seven qualificational leagues played that season in Yugoslavia. Since in 1945 many pre-WWII clubs were disbanded and new clubs were formed, there was a total break in continuity and qualificational tournaments had to be played in order to find the participants of the first por-WWII edition of national championship, the 1946–47 Yugoslav First League. So, the league Red Star won in 1945–46 was just a qualificational league to find participants for the national championship. Those qualifier tournaments were played by geographically formed leagues. However, this league Red Star played and won is not even SR Serbian league because the territory of SR Serbia included two of these seven leagues: Vojvodina one, and "Serbia" (meaning Central Serbia) one. So in order for Red Star to be "champion of SR Serbia" a final between Red Star and Vojvodina league champion should have been played. But it wasnt. And it wasnt because those leagues were not intended to find any champions, but just qualify teams for national championship.
So, having in mind all this, we can call it "title" because it was a league, but it was not a "national title" (regional at most) and was not even a SR Serbia republic title because included just Central Serbia. And what Red Star direction is totally ignoring is the historical context that back then no one considered that to be a championship of Serbia, and the winner, Serbian champion, but just a qualifiying tournament to see which clubs from Central Serbia would play at national level the following season. Red Star won. Congratulations. But lets not make up things now and rewrite history, we should describe that title as what it really was. FkpCascais (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: How does Spartak consider its title? What is the position of FSS? I can speak for Slovenia, the title of Nafta Lendava is not recognised. Linhart (talk) 21:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thaks you very much Linhard for your input. As fa as I know, and I may be not fully infomed, FSS hasnt gave any thoughts about the matter. As far as I know Spartak Subotica hasnt made any major claims about that season. Nafta Lendava position makes absolute sense. It was a qualifiying league in each of the regions, so champions are to be congratulated, but they earned a place in Yugoslav First League post-WWI edition just as other well positio clubs in all those leagues were awarded to. So making this regional qualifier leagues sort of "championships" it ends up being hiighly missleading and megalomaniac. PS: People can claim I am not a Red Star fan so thaat is why I am holding tthis position, but believe me that even f my "favourite" club was the wiinner, my stance would be exactly the same. FkpCascais (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think that only if and when something changes and there is some reaction from the FSS, we can consider adding this "title". At the moment we can only note in the text that CZ is claiming it as a national title, but also explain what it actually was.Linhart (talk) 10:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Well, no. Those were just qualifiying leagues to see which clubs will play in First League. There was no trophy or anything. And please don´t make unilateral changes as you did at Yugoslav First League FkpCascais (talk) 15:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1946 title 

message: Why is the placement among the 32 best teams in the Europa League is a greater success than the placement among the 16 teams in the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup? I think that if Zvezda biggest successes after 1992 are the group stage of the Champions League and the knockout phase among 32 teams in the Europa League, it must also be in the round of 16 of the Cup Winners' Cup 1996/97.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar (talk • contribs) 13:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The greatest success since 1992 

message: 5 септембра 77.243.22.155 (talk) 18:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Могу ли играчи од 

message: Welcome plauers: Omri Glazer, Zan Filip Kraso, Stefan Bukinac,Emanuel Late Lat,Luka Milivojevic. Tank you ❤️ 188.120.117.71 (talk) 07:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plauers 

message: Hello, I noticed that on "Red Star Belgrade - Record goal scorers | Transfermarkt" and on Top ten scorers of all-time on Red Star Belgrade wiki page have conflicting lists, for example Katai is 1st on Transfermarkt with 105 goals, whereas he is 9th on the Wiki list with 106 goals, first place on Wiki is Bora Kostić with 230 goals, whereas on Transfermarkt he only has 27 goals and is 13th. Why is that? CallOfPavle (talk) 12:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Scorers list conflict