Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music/Archive 3

message: Just want to say thanks to all the copy editors.  This is my greatest achievement ever!  Xihix 19:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dookie passed FA 

message: I've finally got around to nominating Pearl Jam as a FAC. Feel free to comment, object or support. CloudNine 10:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pearl Jam]] at FAC 

message: Nirvana discography is now nominated to become a featured list here. This would be the project's second featured list if it is successful, after Wilco discography. All supports, opposes, and comments are welcome. --Brandt Luke Zorn 10:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. I'm doing the same with Pixies discography. CloudNine 10:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nirvana discography]] 

message: Here. Comments are welcomed :) Kamryn · Talk 13:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Blood Sugar Sex Magik]]'' at FAC. 

message: Henry Rollins needs to be referenced and cleaned up mostly, which I'm working on at the moment. Help appreciated. CloudNine 09:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Henry Rollins]] at [[WP:GA/R|GA/R]] 

message: Since both  Wilco and  Loose Fur have categories in them which cause them to be included set of articles that are tagged by bot with , it might make sense for the band members and related discographies to have similar categories.  I was looking at  Jeff Tweedy and noticed that he has :Category:People from Belleville, Illinois and :Category:Illinois musicians in his article.  If he had :Category:People from Chicago or :Category:Chicago musicians in his article then he would be tagged with  and thus they would fall under WP:CHICAGO.  As WP:CHICAGO director, I would like to monitor these musicians, but I generally leave category decision to the editors of the pages.  Please make whatever category decisions you feel would be correct with this in mind for all band members, the bands and all discographies.
I am placing this message several places. I am asking all respondents to respond here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  13:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. I added :Category:Chicago musicians and  ChicagoWikiProject to the Jeff Tweedy, Glenn Kotche, and Mikael Jorgensen articles. —Christopher Mann McKaytalk 22:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great.  What do you think about  Uncle Tupelo belonging in WP:CHICAGO?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  18:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Belleville, Illinois is nowhere near Chicago. Teemu08 00:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilco and Loose Fur bandmembers and discographies 

message: One of this project's Good Articles, The Reputation, is under Good Article review (here).  Members of this project are welcome to contribute to the discussion and hopefully edit the article to avoid it being delisted form GA status. Drewcifer3000 22:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Reputation]] Good Article review 

message: I just discovered my library keeps bound copies of Alternative Press, Mojo, and Spin dating back to 2000 in circulation, in case anyone wants me to look for any articles/reviews in particular. WesleyDodds 00:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Could you have a look in Spin September 2004 for "Life to the Pixies"? I'm trying to find information about Santiago and Lovering between their disbanding and reunion. A bit general, but if you find something that's not mentioned in the Joey Santiago article (especially the last two sections of the biography), give me a shout. CloudNine 08:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope I can find something useful. I was really excited today when I found a short piece in Spin about Reprise's refusal to release Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, but quickly discovered that both the album page and the Wilco article already presented the same information via different sources. WesleyDodds 08:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I had a little too much time on my hands this summer. By the way, "Wilco albums" is now a featured topic candidate (pending the GA review of Kicking Television). Teemu08 02:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magazines for reference 

message: "Today" is currently nominated to be featured. Comments, supports, and opposes are welcome. --Brandt Luke Zorn 04:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Today (song)]] [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Today (song)|at FAC]] 

message: One of this project's "High" importance, A-rated articles, Nine Inch Nails, is currently a Featured Article nominee.  Check out the nomination page and take a look at the article and let us know what you think.  Suggestions and votes of either persuasion are all welcome and appreciated. Drewcifer 07:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nine Inch Nails]] Featured Article candidacy 

message: The Make-Up and their discography are currently a Featured Article candidate and a Featured List candidate.  Comments, suggestions, and votes either way are appreciated. Drewcifer 08:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two more FACs: [[The Make-Up]] and [[The Make-Up discography]] 

message: Seems like we're bombarding the FA process. Wilco is now there as well, you can comment here. Teemu08 21:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilco at FAC 

message: Furthering our bombardment of the Featuring system with this discography of the indie rock band Neutral Milk Hotel. It is currently nominated to become a Featured List here. As always, supports, comments, and opposes are welcome. --Brandt Luke Zorn 14:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Neutral Milk Hotel discography]] at [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Neutral Milk Hotel discography|FLC]] 

message: Our Featured Article Candidates keep on coming. John Frusciante is a current candidate. I hope as many of you can find the time to comment on its nomination as possible. Grim-Gym 18:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! This may be a record month for featured articles. I wish I could regain the discipline to sit down and finish an article (my current projects seem to keep expanding). CloudNine 18:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Frusciante at FAC 

message: Once again, Nirvana discography is nominated at WP:FLC here. All supports, comments, and opposes are welcome, and don't forget to vote on The Make-Up discography or Neutral Milk Hotel discography, the former of which needs three supports in a short amount of time to get featured and the latter of which I wrote. --Brandt Luke Zorn 04:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nirvana discography at FLC, pt. 2 

message: *that Portal:Alternative music could do with more DYKs? Currently we've got about ten facts, but I'd like to reach thirty or forty. If you post them here, I'll fix it up at the portal. Tips for good DYKs include odd band names, interesting other careers of members, or particular song facts. Example:
:*..that Pixies drummer David Lovering used to perform as "The Scientific Phenomenalist"?
:Even one or two will help. CloudNine 15:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. CloudNine 09:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know... 

message: Uh, the redirect for alternative music is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alternative music. Am I alone in thinking this is utterly bizarre? WesleyDodds 23:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it to RfD, see here.  But even now, I still think it's odd and should be kept. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 00:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed; I've "voted" speedy keep. CloudNine 08:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alternative music 

message: FYI, The Breeders discography and John Frusciante discography are up for nomination here and here. CloudNine 11:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two more FLCs 

message: Editors here may be interested in working to improve Del Palmer (best known as Kate Bush's bassist/engineer/ex-boyfriend) or taking part in a deletion discussion about the article: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Del Palmer (second nomination). Bondegezou 11:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD nomination of [[Del Palmer]]

message: As of 19 September2007 (because I've lost track of what's at FAC and FLC):
===FAC===
*John Frusciante
*Audioslave
*Nine Inch Nails
*The Make-Up
*Pearl Jam
===FLC===
*The Breeders discography
*John Frusciante discography
*Nirvana discography
A tip: you may want to mention the project in the FAC/FLC nomination, as it does help to attract interested editors. CloudNine 19:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Powderfinger awards is up there too. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wilco albums is back at featured topic candidates. Teemu08 01:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current nominations 

message: *The Breeders discography
*John Frusciante discography
*Nirvana discography
A tip: you may want to mention the project in the FAC/FLC nomination, as it does help to attract interested editors. CloudNine 19:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Powderfinger awards is up there too. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wilco albums is back at featured topic candidates. Teemu08 01:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FLC

message: Blood Sugar Sex Magik will be featured on the main page tomorrow, September 24, 2007. NSR77 TC 22:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Watchlisted - bring it on, vandals! Although I'll be out for part of the day =\ Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Blood Sugar Sex Magik'' 

message: The Featured Article wall is thrust into chaos with the major title length of "Today (Smashing Pumpkins song)". Although not the article title, I suggest we shorten it to simply "Today", clearing up the irregular spaces following it. NSR77 TC 21:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. We have a huge space down the left-hand side these days. I wonder if it's worth moving the member table there. CloudNine 07:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the stats table should go there, the member table is too wide (if people want to add additional comments, etc.). Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "FA Wall" 

message: One of this project's lists, Nine Inch Nails discography, is currently a Featured List candidate.  Please take a look at the article and leave your comments here. Drewcifer 04:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some comments, I'll support when they're done. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 01:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, I need to find a source for the US sales of all the NIN albums.  I've been unable to find any, but assume that Soundscan.com would have that kind of info.  Does anyone on this project subscribe to Soundscan and be willing to double check the sales real quick?  It would seriously take like two minutes. Drewcifer 03:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nine Inch Nails discography]] at FLC 

message: According to the Featured Article queue, The Smashing Pumpkins will be on the Main Page on October 11th. Mark you calendaers and be prepared to revert a whole lot of nonsense. WesleyDodds 22:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kickass. I saw them last night—came about a foot away from Billy, that was cool...Anyway—lock and load. Grim 03:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smashing Pumpkins on Main Page 

message: List of Powderfinger awards is now featured.  Since I'm a bit new to this project, could someone else add it to the project page? Thanks,  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Good work! WesleyDodds 07:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, thanks :)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New FL 

message: This list has been sitting in the back of my mind for a long while now, and I know a few other people expressed interest in whipping it into shape. It has now been tagged with  (), so now would be as good a time as ever to commence work on it. I thought that a list would be unusual as a COTW, so I'll just put this notice and contact a few people I think may be interested. Thanks, --Brandt Luke Zorn 03:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The booklet to The Aeroplane Flies High box set has a comprehensive discography up to 1996. WesleyDodds 06:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The Great Rock Discography has a comprehensive discography covering releases up to 2001. I'll help if I can, but won't be able to contribute next week.--Michig 19:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Smashing Pumpkins discography]] 

message: The article is currently at FAC.  All comments are welcome here. Thanks, — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 02:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dream Days at the Hotel Existence]] at FAC 

message: Given that working on discography pages seems to be appealing to several editors right now, how about we work together on priority discographies? Of our Featured Lists, only Nirvana discography deals with a popular band with large, verifiable sales figures, lots of chart placings, and a relatively sizable catalogue; Wilco discography is the next closest, but on a smaller scale. However, Nine Inch Nails discography is up at FLC, Brandt Luke Zorn is gathering people together to work on the Smashing Pumpkins discography, and there are some people fixing up the RHCP discography. Any people interested in tackling the discographies for other Top or High-Importance bands?  I'll list a couple of first-rank suggestions, and interested editors can list their names under them. WesleyDodds 04:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...none of these particularly take my fancy, unfortunately. Although if the Pearl Jam one is that tough, I'd be willing to lend a hand if anyone else was willing to do the major work on it :)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 04:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I think I may eventually work on Radiohead's discography, after we sort out The Smashing Pumpkins discography. Pearl Jam's would be cool too, but the live albums make it daunting. As for Radiohead, I love the band to death but I always feel like I don't know enough about them to contribute to Radiohead-related articles. However, I think I could contribute to that band in some way by working on their discography. Also, I'm working part-time on Pavement discography, which will probably be a Featured List soon too after I beef up the lead. --Brandt Luke Zorn 04:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pearl Jam's is in OK state, but yeah, it would be a lot of work.  And in the spirit of what Brandt Luke Zorn said, I'm doing Powderfinger discography now, although the FLC looks to be doing OK. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 04:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pearl Jam will be brutal with all of those officially released bootlegs. Teemu08 07:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For Pearl Jam discography, the bootlegs are mostly covered at Pearl Jam Official Bootlegs, so it wouldn't be as hard as it seems. Pixies discography is surprisingly hard, as there's plenty of re-releases on different labels. That's a project I'd like to finish; I'm happy to help with the others. CloudNine 08:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems as though discographies have become the "it" thing to work on these days. Red Hot Chili Peppers discography is, for the most part, done. If anyone would like to look it over before an FLC, that'd be great. NSR77 TC 15:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More discographies 

message: FYI: A few issues of the NME Originals reprint series--which reprints articles, interviews and reviews from the archives of the NME and Melody Maker about a given topic--are still in stock. You can do a Google search to find the official site where you can order from. Relevant alt-rock editions still in stock are the issues devoted to Britpop, Goth, Madchester, and Radiohead (I myself own the Britpop and Goth issues); unfortunately the Nirvana, Oasis, and Manic Street Preachers issues are sold out. These are great resources that I recommend you check out if you don't mind ordering them. WesleyDodds 03:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NME Originals 

message: Anyone interested on working on genre pages? We've got one FA (Grunge music) and one GA (the main article, Alternative rock), but I'd like there to be more, if possible. A lot of the pages are in poor shape and in a way they are in need of attention over the pages of countless bands, since they belong to various alt-rock subgenres. I've had Britpop and Gothic rock on my to-do list for months (did quite a bit of work on the former) and I'd love to work on Shoegazing if only I could just find the sources. Anyone else interested? WesleyDodds 03:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be interested in doing Indie rock or Lo-fi music somewhere down the road, but I wouldn't be able to start that until I got all the other stuff I want to do done. So it would be a while. --Brandt Luke Zorn 01:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to help, but I don't really know enough about genres in general to contribute anything much. I could copyedit an article or something like that. Grim 17:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre pages 

message: Hi, the page for Claude Coleman Jr., drummer for Ween, is in really bad shape.  It seems to be a full cut and paste from a promotional site.  It's completely unsourced too.  I don't know enough about the band to fix it up but I know there are a lot of Ween fans around so thought this might be the place to mention it. Fathomharvill 03:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claude Coleman Jr (Ween) 

message: I apologize if this isn't the right place to make this request. I've put some work into the article, and believe that it is now better than "Start-class." I've done a bit of tweaking, added a few facts, added some pictures and most importantly added references. There wasn't a single ref to be found a few days ago, now there are twenty-seven. I'd be much obliged if someone could look it over and tell me where it needs improvement. I want to build this article to FA status, but have never done so before, so I don't really know where to begin. Cheers, faithless (speak) 08:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-assessment for [[Belle & Sebastian]]? 

message: Ceoil suggested I push it to FAC, but I met him halfway and put it up at Peer Review. The article's as complete as can be reference-wise, so if ou see anything else that can be done, please drop by at Wikipedia:Peer review/Just like Heaven (song)/archive1 and leave comments. WesleyDodds 09:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an FYI, I've created a bot, User:CloudNineBot, to run through peer review every so often and update  our peer review subpage. CloudNine 19:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Just like Heaven (song)]] at peer review 

message: New FAC - all help appreciated! Dihydrogen Monoxide 08:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dream Days at the Hotel Existence]] 

message: Hello all, I've started doing some work on the Kim Gordon article, and I would like your input on how the article should be formatted, mostly concerning the structure of the article. Right now, the headings "Early years", "Musical career", "Art career", "Personal Life" and "Other work" should be restructured, in my opinion. One of the headings should no doubt be "Sonic Youth", but the problem with that is that her numerous projects and bands are overlapping chronologically and are hard to write about in a biographical way.
So, I would really like your input on how to structure this article. If you have any ideas or pointers, please feel free to share them. Thank you.
By the way, I'm going to remove the Trivia section as soon as I look further into perhaps incorporating the remaining trivia points into the body of the text, as I already have done with a few of them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cambrant (talk • contribs) 11:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My advice is to take a strictly chronological approach to her biography (integrating personal life, side projects, and all that), and then create suitable headers. WesleyDodds 11:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: You should perhaps take a look at some of our project FAs: Frank Black, Elliott Smith, John Frusciante and Joey Santiago (well, that's everything but an actual featured article). Which reminds me, I should really finish Kim Deal sometime. CloudNine 12:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kim Gordon]] 

message: Given some recent comments on Talk:Kurt Cobain that argue that the article isn't GA status, I feel something needs to be done about the sizable suicide dispute section. While for a while I tolerated it as necessary NPOV balance, now that I think about it the suicide dispute does not need to be discussed at length in the article, since virtually all reliable sources agree he committed suicide. I feel any mention of suicide theories should be done in the appropriate sections of the article that discuss the relevant books and documentaries. 
All viewpoints should be discussed concerning this matter. Please add to the discussion on the talk page; hopefully we can clean up the article before it enters WP:GAR. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Branch it off. Teemu08 (talk) 07:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one have considered that, but then I wory that it would essentially be a POV fork. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, if 9/11 conspiracies can be branched off, I don't see why this conspiracy can't be. Teemu08 (talk) 08:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Teemu08 here... Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Cobain suicide theories 

message: Powderfinger is a current featured article candidate. Spebi 09:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Powderfinger]] at FAC 

message: I'm quite a bit new to this project, and I may not know how it works, but would List of Silverchair awards be included under the scope of this project, on Alternative rock music. If so, there should be a lot of other pages related to Silverchair that would fall under this project's scope. RaNdOm26 (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I would add it, as Silverchair is considered alternative rock. If you want, I can get my bot to do the tagging where necessary. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you H2O, and for your very swift response! You can use your bot to help out with the tagging, Good luck! RaNdOm26 (talk) 06:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, running now, just be sure to check afterwards to see if it screws anything up. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 07:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 07:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, looks like some of them are done, but there's still several articles left untouched. I'll tag them manually. RaNdOm26 (talk) 06:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they weren't tagged, they probably weren't in :category:Silverchair... Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 07:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silverchair 

message: Courtesy of User:Betacommand, we now have a list of all articles by length (this also functions as a project watchlist). It'll help us to spot the most comprehensive or shortest articles in the project. CloudNine (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music/Articles by size]] 

message: Per the discussion at Talk:Loveless (album)#Nationality and due to various edis on MBV-related articles, we should settle on what My Bloody Valentine's nationality is. Are they British, Irish, or some unholy union? WesleyDodds (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's essential to acknowledge the band's nationality in related articles beyond main band page because I realized looking at the Loveless page (currently with the nationality removed, as it should stay until the issue is settled), if the reader ended up on the page from another article or list, they might be confused at first as to where the band is from and why certain words are spelled funny. It's a small but essential point for reference and comprehension. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To the first point I think they can go to the band article and find that out.  To the second, either they know our policy on spelling and will work backwards, or they don't know our policy and it wouldn't matter anyway, they'd still wonder why words were misspelled.  I simply think that WP:NPOV over-rides these issues, it is the purpose of the encyclopedia which all other policies are supposed to serve. Hiding T  11:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I would say MBV were Anglo-Irish, although it does sound a little awkward. Sounds like a good compromise, but then again, I don't know too much about them. CloudNine (talk) 12:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Irish-British also sounds good to me. CloudNine (talk) 12:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Bloody Valentine nationality 

message: I have started a discussion at Talk:Industrial_rock#Merge on merge the 2 articles. Ridernyc (talk) 19:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comments on the merger of Industrial Rock and Industrial Metal