Talk:List of wine professionals

message: I'd like to see this list used for people who have made a noted contribution to wine, not to list anyone who has ever had any contact with wine, or is a hobbyist, minor player.  Thoughts? Alan Davidson 09:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When a vlog provider becomes the subject of various WP:RS, using terms such as "wine superstardom" etc, it becomes hard to argue against inclusion to this list. MURGH disc. 11:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The three you have linked to seem quite OK to me. "Dead pioneers" like Jayer should meet no opposition. Tomas e (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  As concerns my edit of 28 juin 2010 à 16:41, reverting back Max Leglise and Jacques Puisais here's why. As opposed to what I did a couple of months ago around Château-Chalon AOC, I won't waste my time in discussions leading to a dead-end. Now, in my opinion, red links present the clear advantage to starting an orphan article that any contributor knows that some things need to be written. I offered to start these articles, and will do so as soon as I find firm and written references about these wine personalities. In the meantime, given the red links, someone else could also start the job, even much better than me. Without red links, we are dependant on somebody else 1° thinking about those wine specialists, 2) realizing that this person could be listed in this list. --Olivier Debre (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I supported your addition, but I hadn't realised you planned to add redlinks. I believe the rationale behind excluding redlinks is that this type of list risks being a spam magnet, and with redlinks it would risk deteriorating quickly, to become useless to the point that the whole existence of the list could be questioned. It's a balance between the need for inclusion criteria and one of several possible uses of lists (expansion), which in this case is influenced by the amount of spam that you risk having. We unfortunately see a lot of biographic material added to wine-related articles that looks self-promotional, which influences my view in this specific case. Tomas e (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep it real

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message: This article does not currently meet the guidelines at WP:Stand alone lists, particularly with regard to the WP:Stand alone lists#Lead and WP:Stand alone lists#Selection criteria. Selection criteria need to be expressly stated in the lead togethr with appropriate background and citation to reliable sources to establish those criteria. --Bejnar (talk) 00:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: In the AFD discussion,  suggested what I think is a better name for this article: List of notable wine professionals. Maybe we should rename it. Thoughts? –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I plan to introduce sections along the value chain of the wine industry (owners of vineyards, oenologists, viticulturists, winemakers, wine merchants, professional wine critics, wine writers and sommeliers). Then, most existing entries of this list can be reassigned to the new sections without questioning the notability of the persons first. Thereafter, a cleanup should follow.--BBCLCD (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: After rearranging existing entries according to sections, I left questionable entries under Others. Please help to clean up these entries. In my opinion, most of them should be deleted from this list.--BBCLCD (talk) 10:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  . Whoops. I moved some people in the "others" section up to the other sections just now. Let me know if I need to undo. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating sections