Talk:Jack Sparrow/Archive 2

message: I would like to inform editors of the article I have rewritten the article in my sandbox, and after being copyedited, it shall replace the current turgid version. It is closely modelled on the FA articles Palpatine, Jabba the Hutt and Padme Amidala. Alientraveller 19:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of article 

message: I am curious; why is it that ALL of the Talk articles are removed? I'm sorry, yes I've been with Wikipedia for a while under the name of Gargoyle123 but I still didn't know that you could delete articles in Talk unless they are like "forum", erm, stuff. BlackPearl14 03:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Deletion

message: Why is it that all of the references to Jack's appearances in POTC videogames was removed (and yet obscure appearances/references in games like Fable are mentioned?) Tempobabempo 22:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2666826/ 194.78.37.122 16:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've just checked the game credits and while they don't say the characters the different actors play, Johnny Depp is not listed as a voice actor. He is only listed in the 'special thanks' section for allowing modelers to study his face. Fredvdp 13:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game references  

message: Under characterization, it says "And He's sexy!" Yes, I can agree with that, but that is pure opinion and I don't see that in other encyclopedias. I am deleting it, just so you know. BlackPearl14 01:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called original research. Bignole 02:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No, using it as a primary source would be saying "Jack tripped, and wasn't cut by so-n-so's blade". Saying "Jack's clumsiness always allows him to escape unharmed" is original research. Bignole 00:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: What is the point of it? He isn't a real person. The point of the "characteristics" section is to have information from third part sources describing his characteristics, not his rope swinging abilities. Bignole 03:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: You're interpreting his actions. You need a third party reliable source to do that.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 00:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characterization

message: There was information on Jack's ship-about the Black Pearl; his job on the ship when it was known as the Wicked Wench and it was a merchant ship, etc. There is verifiable proof for that, and here it is: Check the Disney Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest MOBILE game. It is official.
And Jack's Birthplace? Why, the official Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean Complete Visual Guide says that he was born on a Pirate Ship in the Indian Ocean during a typhoon. Maybe you should check before you delete verifiable information. I will rewrite that, but I am just saying...
BlackPearl14 01:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wicked Wench? AND Jack's Birthplace? Oh My Lord

message: Brilliant job, really really good article, awesomely out of universe, smashing job. And I still can't do the Article history template yet, so could someone else do that please. Gran2 20:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Passed

message: Do we need that much detail for 3 film appearances? Don't the actual film articles take care of most of that? I would think that we only need to mention the big picture of what was going on. I was just reading the first paragraph and it tells me just about every move he made in the film. This seems to be redundant to what is already on the film pages.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 13:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not saying they aren't a bit much as well. It could be that what was voted into FA status changed. Regardless, I think it's a bit too much detail. The same principle applies to those sections as to regular plots for films, and scene by scene shouldn't be done. I think maybe a nice full paragraph for each film is all that is necessary. Maybe it just needs a good copyedit to clean out some unnecessary wordage. Would anyone object to my doing that?   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 15:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I recognize that, which is why I think maybe the section needs simple copyediting.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 15:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film appearances 

message: Who's flag was the basis for Sparrow's flag again? Therequiembellishere 20:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. Got a citation? Alientraveller 20:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm asking a question--you know how Barbossa's flag is based off of Calico Jack's? Well, Sparrow had a basis too, I just forget who's it was, and it's not in the article. Therequiembellishere 20:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well have you got a cite to validate where you know Jack's flag is based, and if so would be worthy of inclusion as it's not a prominent prop? Alientraveller 20:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just that all but one of the Pirate Lords' flags are based off some major pirate (see the page). Therequiembellishere 20:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually it is not. It is based off of Henry Every's flag. -Elizabeth (BlackPearl14 23:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Who deleted it? I thought it was good to know his original look before Depp changed it!!! -Elizabeth (BlackPearl14 22:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Idiots deleted it. Idiots who revert the article to when it was Start-class, like today! Alientraveller 15:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good thing it is back, is it not? -Elizabeth (BlackPearl14 00:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Jack Sparrow Picture

message: Some of the images contained in the article appear to be screen captures or to be derived from promotional materials.  Where were these sourced?  Are they licensed?
67.189.48.7 00:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All are sourced. Two have links to the url they were taken from, and the other were apparently personal screen captures from the DVD (no url required). Bignole 01:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for Images?

message: But Needless to say I dont know how. This includes That Jack was born to Captain Teague an a Indian Maiden - I'm sure this was in this Original Article aswell as PoTC Wiki. Also he changed his surname from Teague to Sparrow as part of becoming a pirate. Lee Curry 19:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There needs to be a source that others can verify it with. We may believe you, but we want the best and most accurate information on Wikipedia. Alientraveller and I are firm on that, and we hope that you can give it to us as soon as you can. Thanks. -Elizabeth (BlackPearl14 06:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Stuff I have been trying to Add 

message: Hey, so it says to edit the article, you must be an established user. I'm an established user, right? Just refresh me, I can't remember. Thanks. -Elizabeth (BlackPearl14 06:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An established user has been a member of Wikipedia for more than four days.  For more info see Wikipedia:Protection policy.  Arwen Undomiel talk 15:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for telling me. I had no idea, literally, but I've been on for a long time...-Elizabeth [ BlackPearl14 02:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Established Users

message: I am not a Wikipedia user so apologies if I misstep.  But I noticed that Jack Sparrow is listed in the "Fictional characters with multiple personality disorder" category, supposedly for the item in the article which reads, "There Sparrow has been hallucinating an entire crew comprised of himself, each representing a facet of his personality."  Should he really be listed as having MPD/DID on the basis of this alone?  If so then almost anyone who dreams, hallucinates, or fantasizes can be said as having this disorder.  I'd like to recommend that he be removed from that category.  (I have no username to sign, so again I apologize if I'm doing this wrong.  I do not understand the 4-tildes format.  If my post breaks any rules feel free to delete it.)--tehuti 208.100.201.198 11:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I questioned this myself, and I find that this statement in the article is unsupported by any other facts. I'll be sure to remove that immediately. BlackPearl14 01:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Personality? 

message: I do think the name should be Captain Jack Sparrow for the article, and I know we've talked about this before. BlackPearl14 19:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Just thought I'd better leave a note here;  someone's nominated this article for FA, but they don't seem to have ever actually contributed to the article, so I'm concerned the issues raised at the nom won't get addressed unless one of you regular contributors keeps tabs on it.  It could be worthwhile wandering over to Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jack_Sparrow.  It was me who added the only comments so far (with a few unconditional supports before me), and I can just see none of them getting addressed unless one of you lot keep an eye on it!  Cheers, and good luck!  Oh, don't take the comments to heart, they're all easily fixed, and once done I won't have a problem with supporting too. Carre 12:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA nomination 

message: When exactly should we have this sheduled? I was thinking November 21. I can put the page excerpt box for the main page article. Just let me know what date you want it scheduled. Again, I was thinking November 21. BlackPearl14 01:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a free use image of Johnny Depp, probably a free use Jack Sparrow image somewhere as well. Gran2 15:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean this? Alientraveller 17:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Wait until Gran2 crops it. I'm not sure about having the article on so soon though. Alientraveller 11:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I shall wait...yes, I understand about the article date. I wasn't so sure, hence I asked. BlackPearl14 19:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the best date would be the original release of Curse of Black Pearl. Gran2 15:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea BlackPearl14 01:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The release date of the first film was 9th July. That means we'll have to wait for 8 months to get this as FA. Or it can be featured as FA on 9th June (Depp's birthday). Varun280287 06:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They prefer articles that've been FA for a longer time. Seeing as this has been nominated quite recently, I would think that the 8-month wait is good enough. As such, the PotC 1 release date seems adequate. -- BlackPearl14 (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA Date

message: Jack Sparrow is a fictional character from the Pirates of the Caribbean universe who is portrayed by Johnny Depp. He was introduced in the film Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003), and appeared in the back-to-back sequels, Dead Man's Chest (2006) and At World's End (2007). He is also the subject of a children's book series, Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow, which chronicles his adolescent years, and the character's image was introduced into the theme park ride that inspired the films when it was revamped in 2006. The character has also appeared in numerous video games.
Sparrow is the Pirate Lord of the Caribbean Sea and can be treacherous, surviving mostly by using wit and negotiation rather than weapons and force; although he will fight if necessary, he tries to flee most dangerous situations. Sparrow is introduced seeking to regain his ship the Black Pearl from his mutinous first mate Hector Barbossa in the first film, and in the sequels, attempts to escape his blood debt to the mythical Davy Jones while battling the East India Trading Company.
Initially, Sparrow was conceived for the first film as a trickster who guides the hero, Will Turner (Orlando Bloom), but Johnny Depp's performance led to Sparrow's role being altered. Depp's flamboyant and eccentric characterization, partially inspired by Pepé Le Pew and Keith Richards, turned Sparrow into an iconic anti-hero and the breakout character of the series. Depp earned his first Academy Award nomination, and in a case of life imitating art, Richards played a cameo role as Sparrow's father in the third film.(more...) 
A Jack Sparrow chapter book was released on November 21st by Disney Press. BlackPearl14 23:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a free use image of Johnny Depp, probably a free use Jack Sparrow image somewhere as well. Gran2 15:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean this? Alientraveller 17:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Wait until Gran2 crops it. I'm not sure about having the article on so soon though. Alientraveller 11:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I shall wait...yes, I understand about the article date. I wasn't so sure, hence I asked. BlackPearl14 19:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the best date would be the original release of Curse of Black Pearl. Gran2 15:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea BlackPearl14 01:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The release date of the first film was 9th July. That means we'll have to wait for 8 months to get this as FA. Or it can be featured as FA on 9th June (Depp's birthday). Varun280287 06:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They prefer articles that've been FA for a longer time. Seeing as this has been nominated quite recently, I would think that the 8-month wait is good enough. As such, the PotC 1 release date seems adequate. -- BlackPearl14 (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: November 21

message: Okay, this is really bugging me... It's CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow!!!!!!!!!!! Not JAck Sparrow!!!! Why won't it let me fix that!!! It's not abuse!! It's his name!!! Can the author please fix that or something???
--QueenOfSparrabeth
:The problem is that his name is Jack Sparrow. Captain is his title, and it is definitely what he has others call him, but that’s why. There was another earlier message on this, I’d advise you to check the archives. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 02:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content in Article 

message: Why does this article downplay his sword Talent so much?
He Duels on par with Will Turner, James Norrington while being distracted, and even outduels Will on one occasion. He also dueled on par and won against Davy Jones and Captain Barbosa, While Jones out classed both Will and Elizabeth at the same time, yet was Disarmed by JAck. 
My overall point is
in the characterzation article
it states his sword skills as being "Very Weak"
i think that seems very incorrect, as the only reason is because he often avoids fights.
Per examples his sword skills seem very strong, as hes technically not lost.
:Thanks for your concern on this, but everything has got a source. Also, his swordsmanship is important because in the films, Sword-fighting was an important part. Jack also keeps bragging about said skills. If you need any other answers to any general PotC questions, write me on my talk page (click on "Pirate Lord-ess"). BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The writers state in their commentary for the first film that Sparrow is not as good as the other fighters: that's where his manipulative personality developed from. Alientraveller (talk) 17:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's Sword Skills