Talk:Šubić family

message: Since there is a seperate article on Bribir, I think there is not a need that there be such a long explanation of it in this article.  If no one has any good objections to cutting it out I will.-Johnpacklambert.
I checked it and there is not really an article on Bribir, despite a link which makes it appear there is.  That first paragraph of the origins section is hard to read and would benefit from some editing though.-Johnpacklambert.
I would like to know who has provided the original information and done all this research? The spelling of the places at the end of the article is intriguing (not currently correct).
Sbrebrich  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.85.23 (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Do we need such a lengthy mention of Bribir

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message: I don't think Perényi and Peranski are the same family. Someone made a mistake there. Please, check data about those families! Walter9 (talk) 09:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peranski and Perényi same family?! 

message: There is a wealth of information in these two books but they are not included in the research for this article.
Zrin grad i njegovi gospodari by Ivan Kukuljević Sakcinski, 1883.
"Život Nikole Zrinjskog sigetskog junaka" by Matija Mesić, 1866. NikolaZrinski (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wealth of information missing 

message: I am interested in improving this article, which is pretty bad.  At the top of the page, it says "This article includes a list of general references, but it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. "   Unfortunately, I have been blocked from improving the article.  Why is that?  Because I have been critical about the editors who have done a bad job?  I this how Wikipedia acts in "Good Faith"?
For example, the following resources are worth adding:
Mesić, Matija (1866). Život Nikole Zrinjskoga Sigetskoga junaka
Salamon, Ferencz, “Az elsö Zrinyiek”, Pest, 1865.
Sakcinski Ivan Kukuljević,  Zrin grad i njegovi gospodari,  1883.
NikolaZrinski (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why have I been blocked from adding to this article? 

message: Someone wrote "also known initially as Bribirščić" 
The source for this is given as Matica Hrvatska: Zlatni vijek Bribira but the article has no references for that statement. Some research shows that a Damir Karbic uses the name Bribirščić but in his references, specifically the Historia Salonitana By Thomas (de Spalato) does not use that name
The Latin family name of Breberienses is credible. The name Bribirščić seems to have been INVENTED.
If there is credible evidence that the name Bribirščić was used by the family please let me know so that I can be better educated. 
NikolaZrinski (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bribirščić?   

message: Miki Filigranski, you seem to be fiddling a lot with this article which is still of surprisingly low quality. 
In Matija Mesic's biography of Nikola Zrinski, titled "Život Nikole Zrinjskoga Sigetskoga junaka"
The first chapter is "Njekoliko riečih o djedovih Nikole Zrinjskoga."
The second chapter is "Otac Nikole Sigetskoga junaka i njegovo doba."
This book "A History of The Croats - The Years 1102 to 1606" has the best family tree of the Subic family that I seen so far.  NikolaZrinski (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Matija Mesic's book   

message: The article says "... were arguably the leading noble family of Croatia for almost 500 years."
# There is no reference for that comment and therefore it is not a credible comment.
# The Zrinski family WAS not "the leading noble family" for almost 500 years.  It was ONE OF the leading families for centuries but the family gained significant estates (by marriage and royal donation) and status during the time Nikola IV Zrinski. 
I recommend that you modify that statement - or provide a source for the "arguably". NikolaZrinski (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Arguably"  - Is that credible?