Talk:Air combat manoeuvring

message: Most if not all ACM listed under Complex heading are really theoretical, unproven in wartime, and really  ASM (AirShow Maneuvers). I am entering this comment for further discussion then I may amend the article.
Looking forward to your constructive dialog.
--Man-hi 04:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Man-hi. These maneuvers are just that - theoretical, and thus, have never been proven in combat. These seem more like air show maneuvers.Zaereth (talk) 00:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complex vs. Theoretical ACM 

message: It appears to me that the section on History Overview has been directly plagerized from http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=52089&display_order=10&mini_id=51833 . The history seems to be covered more extensively at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight . Perhaps a link could be established from here to there.Zaereth (talk) 16:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Overview 

message: A lot of gamers and simulator lovers will probably be looking to this site for some useful information. The Wikipedia article called "Dogfight" gives a pretty good history and basic overview. It seems to me that the more technical sounding article "ACM" should provide information that is a little more tactical. The important differences between Lag, Lead, and Pure Pursuit; The concept of Nose/Tail Separation; The idea that maneuvers are used primarily to conserve energy through trade-offs between altitude and airspeed. The difference in the rolls played by the engaged fighter and the supporting fighter, and the need for good communication between them.
Some of the most useful maneuvers are not even mentioned in Wikipedia at all, such as the Low Yo-Yo, used to tighten an attacker's turn by taking some energy from the verticle plane, the High Yo-Yo, used to slow a fast moving attacker's approach while conserving his airspeed energy, the Cross Turn, the Defensive Split, the Hammerhead ... etc ... etc ...
A lot of good info can be found at http://www.352ndfightergroup.com/virtual/protac/acm/maneuver.html , or read the Navy Flight Instruction Manual at http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation2/P-821/P-8210193.htm 
Information on the specific rolls played by the wing-man and the lead, as well as good communication practices, can be found at http://www.combatsim.com/htm/jan99/ACM-pt1a.htm . Zaereth (talk) 18:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More tactical info please 

message: There seems to some confusion about the proper spelling of "maneuver". In the United States the most common spelling is just as I have spelled it: Maneuver" / "Maneuvering". See the navy flight instruction manual for examples of this at http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation2/P-821/P-8210193.htm . In the UK, the spelling used is "Manoeuvre" / "Manoeuvring". I will change the article to match the UK spelling in the title, and make a formal request to change the title to the US spelling. If there are any objections please let me know here. Zaereth (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can't argue with WP:ENGVAR. My main reason for wanting the change is to keep the spelling consistant throughout Wikipedia, such as found is articles like Basic fighter maneuvers. A search for manoeuvre even redirects to the maneuver disambig. page. I have seen it spelled every possible way in this article, (such as the edit in the article pervious to mine), and think some sort of consistancy would help with the confusion. Zaereth (talk) 18:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I concede to concensus per WP:ENGVAR. (I'm still kind of new, and wasn't aware of that policy.) I have already corrected the spelling within the article to match the title. Thanks everyone.Zaereth (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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