Talk:American Atheists

message: This will be my working version for the main page, just to keep everything nice. -- 01:21, 1 October 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Gearing up for major overhaul

message: ===founding===
===objectives===
===methods by which they achive their goals===
===current situation/what is going on now===
===Affiliated groups===
-- 01:21, 1 October 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested major categories

message: -- 01:21, 1 October 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Affiliated groups

message: From the article :
William Murray has contradicted his mother (and some would say himself)
Who says this? What are their names? Is there a source for these comments?
Serenaacw 02:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel Words 

message: No mention is made of Jon and Robin before the statement that they disappeared in the article.  Who are they? blahpers 18:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jon is Madalyn's son (by a different husband than William's father).  Robin is William's daughter and thus Madalyn's grand-daughter, and most of her later childhood, she actually was raised by Madalyn.  (My source is William's book "My Life Without God."  A Christian I met my first year in college asked me if I would read the book, and I did.  I gave it a try and it actually turned out to be kind of okay.  Now, a straight-forward narrative of someone who has lived an interesting life, and who lets their voice come through in the writing, you can't go too far wrong.)   FriendlyRiverOtter 08:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jon and Robin who? 

message: GeorgeC editing this page back on 10:16, 1 March 2006 and added text:
"Your petitioners are atheists, and they define their lifestyle as follows:
An atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An atheist thinks that heaven is something for which we should work for now — here on earth — for all men together to enjoy. An atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, subdue and enjoy it. An atheist thinks that only in knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.
Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to 'know' a god. An atheist knows that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An atheist knows that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He knows that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter. He knows that we are our brothers' keepers in that we are, first, keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."This doesn't jive with what is on the American Atheist web site. It's similar but not quite. You'll find the word "belief" and a lot of the word "believes" in this version but not found in GeorgeC's version:
(from http://www.atheists.org/Atheism)
“Your petitioners are Atheists and they define their beliefs as follows. An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.
An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.
An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.
He seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man.
He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter.
He believes that we are our brother's keepers; and are keepers of our own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the time is now.”
This needs to be cited in light of the differences. Is there a court doc to cite?
GeorgeC's or American Atheists web site? 
G Goldring 04:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that not all atheists would agree with the above statement and reject any definition of atheism beyond the rejection of belief in the supernatural, and that beyond that, atheists do not necessarily hold any other beliefs in common.Bostoner (talk) 01:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheist "believes"? 

message: Reflists with 3 columns give 74 lines of references, but reflists with 2 columns "contraintuitively" gives 65 lines of references. That is of course because a 3 columns reflist gives more newlines per word, and thus shorter lines. In case someone wondered why I made a "testing" change from 3 columns to 2, that is. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 18:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A technote 

message: "American Atheists is an organization in the United States dedicated to defending the civil liberties of atheists and advocating for the complete separation of church and state."
Definitely POV in my view; the words "dedicated" and "defending" should be reworded, and to talk about the "complete seperation of church and state" is to imply that the current seperation isn't good enough, and that the church is part of the state.--86.179.212.200 (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost all political organizations define themselves in terms that are subjective and which could be disputed by a neutral party. Perhaps it would be better to phrase it "defines itself as an organization that is dedicated to..." Many Americans, esp. atheists, do not consider the separation of religion and state to be complete because of such things as prayer in Congress, "In God We Trust" on the coins, and a host of other issues. Most atheists I have known agree with this position but consider these transgressions to be so minor that they are not worth pursuing.Bostoner (talk) 01:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: Is one of their goals to undermine the credibility of Christianity? I added a quote, which is cited by Don Batten and Jonathan Sarfati in an article called "How Religiously Neutral are the Anti-Creationist Organisations?" 
These writers claim that atheists are using Evolution to promote a materialistic framework of thinking so that rejection of Biblical Christianity will logically follow. 
My question, as it relates to improving this article, is whether this imputed goal is an actual goal. In particular, I am wondering whether this imputation should be added to the present article ... or to some other similar article? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source that claims they seem to have that as a goal, then include it. I would think that promoting atheism necessarily means undermining the credibility of all religions, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's one of the goals of American Atheists, but I can't speak for the organization. Note that American Atheists isn't specifically an anti-creationist organization, and it has never claimed to be "religiously neutral". thx1138 (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Goals

message: Pretty sure the link to David Silverman in the presidents section is wrong. 60.160.78.236 (talk) 09:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Silverman 

message: "AronRa" redirects here, but is not mentioned in the article.  He is apparently a real person. Should the redirect be deleted? —Torontonian1 (talk) 10:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is merely a nickname, which may eventually redirect to an actual biography here, but so far no one has found him notable enough (aka wiki standards), nor found the time to make such an article to see if it would "stick". The editor who only had the strength to create the re-direct, probably based it upon Mr Nelson being listed on their State Directors listing for Texas, but it is without indication of term instantiation, nor term(s) served, nor currency of said term ( honorary ? for life ? expired ?).  WurmWoodeT 09:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  AronRa 

message: * American Atheists Announces Inaugural ‘EVOLVE Awards’ May 30, 2013.84.152.54.148 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Atheists Announces Inaugural ‘EVOLVE Awards’winners include [[Doctor Who]], [[The Good Wife]], [[Mythbusters]], [[Friendly Atheist]], [[Symphony of Science]] 

message: As I said on the Jennifer Love Hewitt talk page, she has said on several interviews that she is spiritual and loves god. She has also stated that she is Roman Catholics. Therefore, I'm going to remove her name from this articleTim Correll (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Jennifer Love Hewitt is not an Atheist

message: As it is called the American Atheists Organisation, should it be moved there? Gary "Roach" Sanderson (talk) 22:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem to mostly refer to themselves as "American Atheists", as well as most sources. Should be kept where it is. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:19, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I can find little reference to "American Atheists Organisation" with a capital O. Do you have a source for this alternate name? --2600:1008:B04D:71D5:5980:1AD4:B2A9:E1B9 (talk) 00:11, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with the title 

message: The section on court cases currently lists those which AA won, not those which were lost. For the sake of objective balance, both should be included. --2600:1008:B04D:71D5:5980:1AD4:B2A9:E1B9 (talk) 00:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Court cases' bias 

message: These religious pseudo-atheists deified a mistaken logo used by the United States Atomic Energy Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency who also based their designs on the archaic and erroneous Rutherford Model. Some paleo-atheists care about mimicking influential institutions more than being analytical. Probability is crucial for the actual atheist, studying it is a major atheistic value. Guaranteeing that a mistake remains eternally, not only isn't an atheistic value, but the exact opposite of atheism, especially when that MAJOR mistake takes the place of a Probabilistic symbol. Logotypes are crucial for a movement, and true atheists accept the evolution even of their ideas, if better data occur. Our atheoleaders don't evolve to accept officially the probabilistic orbitals. Some artists depict the probabilistic density via the usage of raster, others vary the weights of parallel lines etc. There are many ways to depict probabilistic density. The future non-metaphysical mental battle will be amongst paleo-atheists who don't evolve, and probabilistic atheists. Rejecting a Probabilistic symbol and putting instead in its place a famous - used by great others - archaic mistake, is the most religious thing an old fellow can do, even if (s)he farts atheism in you face! Don't fart, atheistically! ACT atheistically! Old people are boring... but they rule.... The article doesn't reveal that issue(s).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4115:CA00:881C:D36A:1128:44BA (talk) 22:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The American Atheists' logo controversy 

message: Nick Fish was named the president of American Atheists, Inc. as of September 6, 2018.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaurreauX (talk • contribs) 23:32, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this to the article.Knox490 (talk) 00:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the American Atheists website as a source. After the David Silverman firing, the atheist Ed Brayton (co-founder of Freethought Blogs) expressed disappointment that American Atheists didn't choose a woman to replace him.. If a reliable source could be found regarding some various notable atheists being disappointed regarding the choice of the new president, perhaps this could be added to the article.Knox490 (talk) 08:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Fish is now president of American Atheists 

message: non-American atheist or American Atheist but not part of the anti-quantum scam = orbitalist = one who supports quantum theory and the atomic orbitals = against the updated Rutherford model of the atom which is stylized as the essence of the non-profit organization "American Atheists"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4104:9438:BCC4:C02A:A71C:6BC2 (talk) 04:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Static, non-evolving religious symbol based on fame and not on being correct (there are ways to stylize orbitals with curvy raster of changing weighted lines)