Talk:Hurricane Janet

message: More impact. Jdorje 20:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also storm history, preps, and aftermath, if possible. Sources would be nice. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Interpreting the best-track data, this was a monster storm!  The 914 mbar record, already one of the strongest measurements in the basin, was from when the hurricane was at 155 mph winds.  On the next visit, the hurricane hunter plane was lost.  There is no way to know how strong this hurricane really was. — jdorje (talk) 19:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably didn't get much stronger, because on the next flight that didn't crash, it was at least 10 mph weaker. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 23:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monster 

message: Reducing to stub. There isn't much here. --Coredesat talk. o_O 18:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: She was once the most intense on record, and she just got booted from the top ten. Mention that she was the most intense added to the article. —Verrai 06:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She was never the most intense on record, though the MWR does make some impressive claims (tied for 3rd lowest land pressure ever recorded worldwide, behind the Labor Day storm and an unnamed Philippines tc) which I added to the article (though the MWR should not be taken as fact).  The actual numbers are impressive enough: no accurate pressure measurements were ever taken at sea, the only semi-accurate measurement was the 914 mbar measurement from Chetumal (which is not actually on the coast) after landfall.  From the MWR I get the impression that none of the hurricane hunter planes were ever able to find the eye of the storm, with the possible exception of the one that was lost. — jdorje (talk) 01:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Janet 

message: The figure of 681 deaths for Janet is attributed to the MWR (the 538 value comes from an internal set of NHC "unpublished notes" which I choose to ignore).  All values seem accurate enough except for the 500 for Quintana Roo which is an estimate.  Stangely though the total does not add up to 681: it totals to 687.  And either way deaths from Veracruz and Tamaulipas are not included.  If anyone notices something I might have missed from the MWR (an added 5 deaths somewhere would add up, if the NHC isn't counting the 11 lost hurricane hunters in the total), please add it. — jdorje (talk) 02:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite.  Deaths in Tamaulipas and Veracruz are basically unknown from what I can see - the number 300 given by hurricanecity is suspiciously similar to the 300 that MWR gives for Hilda deaths in Tamaulipas, while hurricanecity claims 200 deaths from hilda for some reason.  The only other source I can find claims 10-12 thousand deaths, but I do not consider that reliable.  Newspapers from the time may also be unreliable, however, but at least they're primary sources.  What newspaper archive do you suggest?  Do you know of a particular online site that's freely accessible?  — jdorje (talk) 02:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You bet. Click here Hurricanehink (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's some interesting reading.  I wonder if the flooding ("the worst flood in the country's history" according to one aggrandized newspaper article) deserves a separate article.  From what I've read tampico was already largely underwater from Hilda when Janet came along...then the floods from Janet not only submerged the rest of the city but completely cut it off from the mainland.  Government and international aid came quickly with the Mexican and US military moving in within a day or three to evacuate people in boats and airdrop supplies with helicoptors.  I still see no useful information on a death toll but it will be extremely difficult to separate Hilda and Janet here.  And wherever the information goes, it should make for a very informational "aftermath" section. — jdorje (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths 

message: I'd swear this page once had a great damage photo. Maybe it was deleted. I've found them again here. Unfortunately, I think they're copyrighted. But I'm almost sure they got these images from a public domain source, though. I just don't know where. We sould at least have a media section that gives a link to these photos, they are powerful. The destruction is absolute. I would be so disappointed if we can't find them in the public domain somewhere. (Other pics here, same site, need to scroll down a bit.) -- §HurricaneERICarchive 01:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

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