Talk:David Tench Tonight/Archive 1

message: What is this, millions of Australians are bombarded with talk of this David Tench fellow, but not only is it not listed on wikipedia, it is actually locked from being listed? Ah well, maybe I should move to America so the worlds encyclopedia can relate to me. Hehe, like the American pages on bit part characters in the Simpsons or pages devoted to continuity errors in the American Star Trek. ^_^ JayKeaton 12:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

message: Now that Wikipedia is aware that "David Tench Tonight" is legit & is not an advertising gimmick, yet a real article about the show, its likely not delete the article... right?
:The matter needs to be taken to a Deletion review. Ansell 11:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, it's funny, the page of bit part characters from the simpsons was just removed a few days ago. Looks like a bit of sense has trickled into UrbanPedia ^_^ JayKeaton 17:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No longer going to delet it

message: there is dispute about anything I have writen then I can put the sources in.
:As for the comment on wikipedia, I thought it was notable, especially as anyone reading it already knows about wikipedia. It was "exceptional" in my eyes that someone in the wikipedia foundation (I guess that means anyone that can edit) deleted the page and then locked it, I have never seen that yet on wikipedia. It came accross as an act to punish channel ten rather than edit the page to abide by wikipedias guidelines, but that would just be guesswork so of course I did not put that specifically in. But wikipedias reactions was a result of the old pages actions, why those actions and reactions were chosen I guess cannot be said and arn't important why, just that it happened 
:Oh yeah, I am clearly not a professional at writing and gramma and stuff, but I did my best. Please don't bite my head off ^_^ JayKeaton 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: newly created

message: 12,500 google results for the exact phrase "David Tench", tench being a fictional surname almost all of them are for this David Tench (and I did check random pages of results, 12,500 is obviously too many to check them all). I would like to get rid of Goldom's little note on the page as soon as possible, does anyone know how I can shake him? JayKeaton 21:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's notable but I want to address the issue of there being "12,500 google results". That little number Google shows is notoriously inaccurate. For example, if we do a search right now for "David Tench" I get 26,400 results. But if I click to view page 10 of those results (I have 50 results per page) it actually concks out at page 7 showing "Reults 301 - 337" and the message "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 337 already displayed". If I repeat the search with the "omitted results included" it brings up - in some cases - hundreds of results which all point to the same site. If you look at those results, you'll see that "David Tench" appears as an item in a menu and that menu is then shown on many pages for the one site, yet all those "results" point to the same page. 337 out of 26,400 means only 1% could really be considered valid results. I just wanted to say this because Google "results returned" numbers pop up frequently as some kind of validation method, when typically it's wildly inaccurate. Yay unto the Chicken 04:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: notable

message: Added the Ten logo as the picture for the fictional character that the page is about was removed and it needs a picture there at least. Although it makes it look like an advertisement now, but meh, it'll do for now JayKeaton 22:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ten logo

message: Hey, I'm not sure why this article was deleted but "David Tench Tonight" starts Thursday on Channel 10 in Australia. I Wikipedia article should probably be created?
=== Why is it at David Tench ===
This page is at David Tench. David Tench only should be there. ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 12:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this page was deleted after an AfD, then recreated numerous time, speedied under G4, then eventually protected against recreation. Then, to get around the page protection, they moved onto the David Tench page, which has also been speedied under G4 several times now. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk from this page before move

message: This page is at David Tench. David Tench only should be there. ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 12:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this page was deleted after an AfD, then recreated numerous time, speedied under G4, then eventually protected against recreation. Then, to get around the page protection, they moved onto the David Tench page, which has also been speedied under G4 several times now. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is it at [[David Tench]] 

message: So when can we take that off? I mean it is clear that the show can stand on its own, maybe move this page to David_Tench_Tonight and redirect it until more info on David Tench himself comes in, but yeah, the page on the show and him are not being deleted, so can I just take it off? And consensus on the vote page has also turned around, there are less votes saying "delete" JayKeaton 18:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please wait until an administrator decides the final consensus and closes the AfD debate. If the page is kept, the admin will remove the template. --Spring Rubber 03:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Page has been kept now. I think it should be moved, and the focus put on the show (won't take much changing). Looks like it'll take an admin to move, since the target exists as a locked page. I happen to have become one just recently, so I'll do it if no one objects. Consensus toward the end sounded like it agreed on this, but I'm asking here just in case anyone has a problem with that. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 08:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objections, but if the other page is unprotected, I think this page should be deleted and protected. The comment above, "redirect it until more info on David Tench himself comes in," makes me cringe. One article is more than enough for the immediate future. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 09:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense, locking it for now as just a redirect to avoid recreation, as kept happening in the past. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 09:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: "One article is more than enough"?? Last week you were trying to delete it. Sarah Ewart (Please reply to ALL my comments about you.) Gtoomey 11:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if I supported deletion???? So did a lot of other people. That doesn't mean that I proposed deletion or nominated it for AfD. Get your facts straight and stop making personal attacks. Even though I supported deletion, and even before it looked like it might survive the AfD, I was helping to write the article, looking for references, copyediting etc. Check the history. You keep slagging off at me, but what have you done to help??? Yeah, that's what I thought: Nothing. Your contributions list shows you've made 6 VERY minor article edits since New Year's Day. The rest of the time all you've done is complain, criticise and make nasty personal attacks. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I also supported deletion the first time, however, the appropriate use of reliable sources this time made me support the article. There is definitely not enough interest (presently generated commercial hype out of the way) to keep two good articles. My solution, just deal with things here and make this article good.Ansell 11:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I guess you cringe rather easy then JayKeaton 20:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I don't. But I do cringe at the misinformation you have been (knowingly) pushing and your strange views of Wikipedia. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 23:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Say what you mean honey ;) JayKeaton 00:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I've moved it. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 14:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete nom tag thing

message: Just to let you all know, the "fan site" is actually a viral marketing technique used by the producers.
1. The site was up before it was even announced who or what Tench is.
2. Has publicity materials not found elsewhere.
:Is it? It uses publicity material found on the press release from Ten, and captures from the tv commercial. Drett 23:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an amateutish attempt with 3 screen captures, including one with a horizontal line through it. Surely nobody is so stupid that thay can't see that. Gtoomey 11:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fan Site

message: Ten will get their drawcard right here. After the failure of Yasmin's Getting Married, Tench is the much needed shot in the arm. Before you know it, he'll have the (second) best carpark at the network (the boss gets the best park of course) and rolling in green from the show. Ah, the sweet smell of success....
: I'm hoping the same.  Channel 10 suffered with The Wedge, which used a similar viral marketing campaign, but this idea is creative and cool.  Almost like the Gorillaz of talk-shows. Taylor 09:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The big drawcard 

message: This page mentions that talk radio has been discussing Ten's failures and mentions the cancelling of The Office US version. It might have been put on hiatus or whatever but for at least the last few months it has been on Sunday nights, so I have removed this. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 11:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Office 

message: Apparently callers to Kyle and Jackie O have expressed a disinterest in this.  Are callers to that show a reliable source? See:  Drett 22:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyle and Jackie O 

message: In less than 10 hours in fact (PS, Americans, that is Australian time which is much ahead of yours ;) ) JayKeaton 00:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airs tonight