Talk:List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States

message: This list was obtained from Dykes Automobile and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia dated 1919. Oldfarm 03:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: This article has so many references that ref naming should be used like Clymer, p.205. and then use only 
 to reduce ref listing.   --— Typ932T | C  18:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tagged this article for being too long primarily due to the issue with the way the references are currently displayed. Another editor may wish to work on them. My attempt to correct the problem was quickly reverted.Shinerunner (talk) 21:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: Clymer mentions a "Searchmont" steam car being built from 1900-1903 in Philadelphia. This is not correct; the Searchmont was a gasoline powered automobile. I guess the error evolved as the company was mentioned as the successor of the Keystone Steamer (in the article about the Keystone Steamer) - which it was not (see Searchmont article). As this is just a guess (although one that makes sense) I didn't remove the Searchmont (Steam) link but added one to th Searchmont gasoline car that is verifiable. --Chief tin cloud (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If Kimes is saying otherwise, I wouldn't be too worried about removing the steamer. IMO, Clymer's reliability on details is a bit suspect. (I'd want to have a glance to see if he reproduced an actual Searchmont ad, tho.)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  23:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Searchmont 

message: Is there a tree, showing all the relationships of all the brands to all the parent companies somewhere? Landroo (talk) 13:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tree / Flow-Chart? 

message: If possible, can you please add Merkur (a Ford division from 1985-1989) to the list.  Thank you very much!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.67.212 (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have included it in the list. German wikipedia has an article about it. They sold an US variant of the European Ford Sierra and imported the Ford Scorpio via Mercury dealerships. Source mentioned in the German article: Covello, Mike: Standard Catalog of Imported Cars 1946–2002. Krause Publications, Iola 2002. , p. 557. I don't have this book, so I omitted reference in the List.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 10:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merkur (1985-1989) 

message: With Suzuki halting sales in the USA, should they be added to this list? KellyCoinGuy (talk) 17:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suzuki 

message: I think it would be more convenient for readers if the defunct manufacturers were included as a section in List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States, as is the case for other countries. Therefore I propose that the two articles are merged. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 05:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the size of the defunct list, I would leave them separate. And I would be reluctant to bring in so many broken references (although they are really just one missing Harvard reference).  Stepho  talk  23:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Hello . In my opinion, the list entries in an article titled "List of defunct manufacturers..." should be manufacturers, not models. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing models instead of manufacturers 

message: Continuing the discussion from above, perhaps this format might allow significant models to be shown while keeping the formatting tidy?
* A Automobile Company (1910-1913)  'Blue & Gold' model
* Abbott-Detroit (1909-1918)  Moved to Cleveland and renamed to 'Abbott' in 1917.
* AC Propulsion (1997-2003)  Models: tzero
* Apex Motor Car Company (1920–1922)  Models: Ace
* Acme Motor Car Company (1903–1911)
* Adams Company (1905–1912)  Models: Adams-Farwell
Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List format 

message: Hi . Regarding the redlinks, WP:Red Link states "It is useful while editing articles to add a red link to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable". The redlinks being removed from this article have no indication that an article will be created soon or references supporting that an article should be created.
For the unsourced entries, WP:LISTCOMPANY talks about the importance of sources in establishing whether a company should be included in a list article.
There are also many entries for companies which did not produce a meaningful volume of cars, or do not meet the definition of "manufacturer" discussed above. I do not believe that the article benefits from being a combined index page for Clymer and Clarke & Kimes. In the 1900s and 1910s every man and his dog had a crack at forming a car company, most of which disappeared without a trace! Therefore I think these entries  are not useful inclusions. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do what you want. I'm done. I'm not wasting any more time on this. And I'm damned if I'm wasting the time & effort research & creating a page that's just going to be challenged as "not notable" in two goddamn minutes, or waste two weeks arguing with the trolls that want to delete it. I have better things to do.  I begin to think WP is entirely a waste of time & effort.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 22:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redlinks, unsourced entries, inclusion criteria 

message: There is currently an inconsistency between the listings in letters A - F and the rest of the list. Letters A - F have the names of defunct manufacturers with links in blue bold font, while the rest of the list is not. Articles like List of automobile manufacturers and List of truck manufacturers show no bold listings.
To be consist with the other articles mentioned above, I propose that all of the defunct manufacturers with blue links that are in bold font be changed to normal text (with the blue link intact). All of the listings that do no have links would remain in bold black text so that articles with links and those without remain differentiated. I will gladly make the changes necessary if we come to consenus to make the change. Zcarstvnz (talk) 11:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For consistency, all company names should be in bold or all company names should be not bold. I'm not fussed which of these 2 options we use. But we should not do what we have now, where some items are bold depending on whether they have a link or not.  Stepho  talk  13:35, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: --Akrasia25 (talk) 14:26, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Format