Talk:Crunk/Archive 1

message: The word crunk has been around for a loOOOoonng time.  As a matter of fact, after I have done some significant research, I found the earliest time I ever found the word "crunk" was in a Stephen King book 1997's The Wizard and The Glass. 
"... but no more. I knew it was going to be that way as soon as they started talking that stupid crunk of theirs." There was no proper word for the dialect of the Mejis vaqueros, but "crunk" served well enough ..." 
So the word would seem to serve as a form of dialect. And whomever uses it first should get credit right?
The Underground Kingz used it a long time before ANYONE else did. 
Crunk comes from the mixture of two words. Crazy and Funk. It is not a mixture of drunk and crack. Or Chronic and Drunk...NONE of those is right. 
here is the official definition from crunk.org
What is crunk? Well crunk is crunk. What may be crunk to you may not be crunk to another. There are other words to define things that are crunk. Words such as 'fly' 'def', or 'tha bomb'. But they are merely shadows of what crunk is. It is a hip-hop term which is used in the positive. If something is good, then it
is 'crunk'. It can be used as a predicate adjective: "That club is crunk." The word has been around for quite some time now. I have read the word used (while not in the proper manner) in books as far back as 1992 (Stephen King's Dark Tower series). I also have had people tell me that crunk was used on some late night TV shows a long time ago. The Underground Kingz used this word in a song a LONG time ago- in 1995. There is apparently a character on some cartoon (Dexter's Lab) called Crunk, and there is a candy bar in Asia called Crunk. So the words been here for a while.
::I have to call you to task for suggesting that there's an "official definition" of... well, anything. There is no authority for the English language, as there are for Dutch or French. Certainly the fact that someone was first in line to register "crunk.org" doesn't make them an authority. So it's just one person's opinion. --tgeller 03:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow. They have crunk ALL wrong in this definition 

message: Crunk is to music what Harry Potter is to literature. Tolerable, nothing great, WAY overhyped, and generally deserving of a quick euthanising. Am I the only person who remembers when rap used to actually involve intelligence and messages and a fucking point (or at least one that goes being "getting low" and "blinging" and "being clinically retarded")
:Rap has become party music from its roots in expression of anger or frustration. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmm 

message: This page seems to endorse crunk as a club attraction. This form of hip-hop can and does cause violence between the immature and trouble making club goers. Especially the young wanna-be thugs
Gorgeousp 23:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need some balance 

message: under the songs with crunk in the name, "forest crunk" is attributed to Aesop Rock, but its actually by Blockhead, Its just on Ace Rock's 'Daylight EP'Mike McGregor (Can) 09:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: small change

message: In the mid-1990's I was playing football at Tennessee State University, a historically black university (HBCU)- Alma Mater of such public figures as Oprah Winfrey and Wilma Rudolph.  We often had discussions about pop urban culture on topics such as:  who was better WuTang/NoLimit or the legitimacy of Tupac's death, and I vividly remember lengthy debates about the word "crunk" and another derivitive "crump".  Keep this in mind, most of my teamates (at least 90% of them) were from inner-city Memphis, Nashville, South Florida (mainly Miami), and Atlanta.  The general consensus from our impromptu debates while standing around during practice was that "crunk" was the proper term with a postive conotation meaning "crazy drunk".  "Crump" came from local ebonics as a local way of saying "crunk".  What I gathered was that "crunk" was more Memphis than Atlanta, but the hip-hop community from Atlanta in the late 90's and early 2K gave it mainstream exposure.  Our discussions pre-dates pretty much all of the information in these "crunk" related Wikipedia articles.  Also, the guys on my team were from/grew up in the environments that are glamorized in the lyrics of these hip-hop songs using expressions such as "crunk".
:Isn't crump more like Rize (2005 film), high energy dance (maybe like Hyphy) and "crunk" more about getting high/buzzed/intoxicated? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A more accurate history of Crunk 

message: This article needs to be edited for a more encyclopedic and NPOV
tone.  Also, it contradicts itself, saying that the genre is on
the wane and popular mostly in its hometown now, while later saying
that it is ubiquitous and will only get more popular. 24.215.155.9 01:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: Crunk means crunk (like cranked)...wound up. Getting energized. This article goes way to deep into the word...it's kind of stupid.
--Vehgah 04:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think this article is taking Crunk too seriously. 

message: I'm sorry but I really don't consider T.I. crunk. His music is not crunk music. He did songs with artists that are obviously crunk artists but he himself I wouldn't consider him crunk. Hasafienda 6:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: T.I. Crunk?

message: Ciara is definatly not crunk she is a pop/rap artist(see Ciara) and i feel she should be deleted from the list of notable crunk artists.
:A quick search on google for 'ciara crunk' returns several articles/interviews claiming that Ciara is the "First Lady of Crunk & B"
:* http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2004-07-26-ciara-verge_x.htm
:* http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1285/is_6_35/ai_n14702704
:* http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/ciara/bio.jhtml
:I'm pretty sure it's safe to say she is at least a Crunk & B (derivative of R&B + Crunk) artist. In more than one instance, she is referred to as being the 2nd person to release a Crunk & B song (after Usher). Iluvitar 21:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ciara crunk!? 

message: Watch for vanity edits being made this article about "artists", by editors with the same name on Wikipedia. Escaper7 13:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanity edits

message: Is it just me, or is most crunk bass synthesized? Not electric bass? — Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 01:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electric bass? 

message: What the hell, whats this? "All artists of the crunk genre are challenged, druggie, hippy, man-slut, high-school droppouts that are lucky to have made a dollar." Guys, I'm white but I imagine that is very offensive. Even if it's true, I doubt that POV belongs in Wikipedia. Someone clean this article up jesus --AF1987 06:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called vandalism and there's plenty of it on Wikipedia.  If you see something like that, simply remove it. Regards Escaper7 06:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I deleted the sentence in the beginning of this article stating crunk started in Brooklyn with Kane.  Somebody straight didn't know what they were talking about right there... Chairman SharifChairman Sharif 16:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kane?  

message: These are important elements in the development of crunk music.
:Go ahead, add it in. -- BillWeiss | Talk 15:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How dare you guys leave out Miami bass and electro music

message: West coast is known for hyphy music, a style like crunk Wiggl3sLimited (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: West Coast

message: why is this protected? also, conan o'brien used the term "crunk" in 1995, not 1993. it was suggested to him by Ice T, a guest on his show that night.
:Unprotected. Feel free to make the edits you suggested. the_undertow talk 22:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: um

message: I added some sub-headings because the article was just a wall of text before - change anything you think should be put back, but i think it looks alot neater now Melofetehgold 08:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaned up article

message: I've read it here and there. Is it really true? I hope yes, because I want another hip hop genre to become mainstream. 83.228.121.186 (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you ask me, yeah. I threw all my crank hip hop albums in the bin. And no regret - it's the one of the few popular music styles (along with snap music) that are popular since five or six years - it's time they go away. 213.240.234.212 19:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crunk losing popularity?

message: I always heard it as "chronic drunk," as in, on both marijuana and alcohol.  138.192.86.254 (talk) 23:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folk etymology 

message: in clubs people get crunk with the dances and the music. another example is in sports. players get crunk to be zoned in and ready to play their best games!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.143.10 (talk) 02:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  crunk is the state of bieng fired up and readdy to do anything. when people get there blood pumping intentionaly just because u like the rush 

message: Apparently, and according to the Wikipedia article, Dr. Suess himself coined the word and first used it in his 1972 book Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now! Can we refrence this in the article, please? --70.110.23.238 (talk) 01:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Suess is the man? 

message: Skillet is a Christian Industrial/Hard Rock band. Who said they were Crunk? I am removing this, it is clearly vandalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.205.187 (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skillet 

message: Shouldn't this article mention the recent trend of scene kids trying to be ironic and playing "crunk", Brokencyde for example. (Of course in a more professional and non-biast fashion than what I just wrote). I think it deserves some mention and explanation as it seems pretty popular. RKFS (talk) 02:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reliable source to cite? --Evb-wiki (talk) 02:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scene Crunk?

message: None of the music coming from the south during the early 90s resembled Crunk, at least not unless it was by some underground rappers (who aren't listed here). I think there needs to be more detail about when and how Crunk started, such as the first Crunk song and so on. And also why is Master P listed as a pioneer? You can't label any southern rapper as Crunk.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 06:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  early 90s? 

message: In the first paragraph, the article contradicts itself by saying that crunk means crazy drunk, then later saying it means chronic drunk. Neither place citing a source for that information. Guinnevere (talk) 16:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differing Points of View in Paragraph One 

message: The line which reads:
"Crunk" is a music style, like techno/rap/funk, therefore to get crunk is to become a music style.
"Become a music style" doesn't make any sense. The same section of the article offers two other definitions of the word crunk which would be more applicable. One can become "crazy drunk" or "chronic drunk", but not "a music style".
Androclez (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary/Nonsensical sentence 

message: The whole section starting with: "This is a Houston word of which rhymed with "trunk" which happens a lot there." to "There is no record of that because freestyle recordings never made it to mainstream." is shaky in its facts. It seems to be based on first-hand knowledge as opposed to data that can be referenced from a reliable source. I'm not sure if this part of the article should be deleted, but it needs some credibility.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MongrelWarfare (talk • contribs) 17:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology errors