Talk:Soul music

message: There are no images. slambo 17:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delisted GA 

message: The page chronicles the history of the genre but sorta neglects specific musical characteristics (e.g. specific keys, scales or transpositions). Is there anyone with something to say about this? JFW | T@lk 17:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical characteristics 

message: Why does the article dance around this fact without ever stating it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.42.160.56 (talk • contribs) 25 May 2006.
:Why state the obvious? --Ezeu 19:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soul music is music by black people 

message: I have removed a link to Juliette leon in myspace. Let me know if that was a mistake. We generally don't link to myspace. :) Dlohcierekim 12:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  myspace 

message: This article is written from a rather highly biased point of view. Soul music is more than just the recordings most loved by rockists (Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, et al.), although they are certainly among the greats. The article needs to be re-written to encompass a greater focus (The Chi-Lites aren't soul?!). --FuriousFreddy 00:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Half of the links in this article look like spam to me:
*HoneySoul.com - Audio interviews, podcasts, listening parties, radio shows, videos
*  PlanetSoul.com - Radio, Audio interviews, reviews, blogs, more
*Soulfulkindamusic.net
*NorthernSoul.co.uk 
*Soul Source
*  SoulTracks.com - Online soul music magazine and biographies
* Shades of Blue - R&B bios, labels, reviews and trivia
Are these meant to reference something?  If not they should be deleted. Thoughts?  Strobilus 22:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MarvinGayeWhat'sGoingOnalbumcover.jpg

message: I'm flagging this.... There is a simmering black/white issue here from the arguments I'm reading... I'm hoping that a music
PhD will come and clean up this article.... It probably needs better verification... I'm having problems with Louis Prima.
All I know about Louis Prima is Keely Smith and some jazz standards from the 40s and 50s...  Back then it was called R&B -
by about the late 50's, early 60's....a particular form of R&B became known as soul music... However - An expert will help
greatly...
02:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where are you music historian/critic/columnist?

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message: Took him out completely from this article.  He did what was loosely termed R&B at the time. The best examples of his music are the remakes done by rockers in previous years such as "I Ain't Got Nobody" by David Lee Roth & "Jump, Jive N Wail" by the Brian Setzer Orchestra - which isn't of course, soul music, but a highly energized form of swing music and/or jump blues.  The entire American swing revival of the late 90s took its cue from Louis Prima rather than Glenn Miller.  Soul music descended from the "black churches" and influenced the rhythm and blues scene - not created out of spontaneity.
13:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Louis Prima

message: The article says the following: "Cultural origins: late 1950s United States (esp. New York, Chicago, Illinois)". Why?? I thought soul music was created in US state of Georgia by Ray Charles and James Brown. Netrat_msk (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you limit the origin of soul with Ray Charles and James Brown? There are multiple sources for the genre. 00:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They were the main contributors. Anyway, what about soul music coming from Georgia? Netrat_msk (talk) 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York? Chicago? Illinois? 

message: How about moving Neo soul from fusion forms to subgenres? Neo soul is surely influenced by hip-hop, but it almost never features any rapping or scratching etc. so actually it is rather influenced by hip-hop soul than hip hop itself. IMHO neo soul is a part of moder soul music rather than hip hop. So unless we believe soul music died out in late 1970 to be completely replaced by contemporary R&B, neo soul should be regarded as its sub-genre. Netrat_msk (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, neo soul belongs more to contemporary R&B rather than actual soul... Maybe we shouldn't move it. Netrat_msk (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo soul as a subgenre 

message: I see no link and google has no answers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.31.143.193 (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: what are "plastic body moves"

message: "Rhythm and blues (also known as R&B, R'n'B or RnB) is a popular music genre combining jazz, gospel, and blues influences."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.159.77 (talk) 18:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhythm and blues is already said to be a bit  gospel 

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message: WHY IS IT CALLED SOUL?
:This probably comes from the idea that one's soul is the seat of or the manifestation of emotion. It may be a sort of chicken/egg thing, but around the time that soul music arose, the term "soul" was often used to describe the emotional nature of a musician and/or his performance. A certain singer might be said to have a lot of "soul" in a given recording, and by extension, the recording itself would be said to have "soul", hence a style of music which emphasized a strongly emotional style of singing could be said to be soul music. Black musicians in particular were said to have soul, while often the "blue-eyed" white musicians were said to not truly have "soul" but we're rather just copying without understanding the style. Wschart (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOUL 

message: Part of the following should be integrated into this really crappy article:
* A brief history of Soul Music
* The Definition of Soul
* The History of Soul (also at http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2157141/the_history_of_soul_music_.html, but it is blacklisted)
None of these sources are entirely satisfactory, but they have lots of good info that is lacking in this Wikpedia article.
How could you talk about soul music without mentioning Sam Cooke?!?! "You Send Me" was released in 1957.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.177.205 (talk) 23:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't disagree - but there's a shortage of editors (we're all volunteers, you know) willing and able to improve articles like this one, so if you want to give it a go, read this and get stuck in.  :-)   Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

text: PS: Belatedly, I've started doing a little work on this.  If others want to pitch in, feel free. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crappy article 

message: I'll have a look around for some references. I think we may be able to remove some of the no ref tags. This article should be better but its such a wide genre with so many artists that its hardly surprising that no one has wanted to take it on. We are talking easily two months of solid work and attention to improve this article. I noticed that others have complained that it needs improvement but given the reasons above no one can apportion blame to anyone else. 
I sometimes wonder why Wikipedia doesn't take these sorts of articles into music colleges and departments through a student/equipment grant scheme. Offer the music department some music equipment or other related stuff and trust me - they will have their students working on this article like a slave. lol
Sluffs (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Sluffs.  I've been meaning to get round to this article for some time but haven't yet managed it, apart from a bit of tweaking to the section on the 60s some time ago.  I have sources, I expect you have sources... - I'm sure we and others can work together on this.  Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed - apply within 

message: Nope. You blew it mate. Out of here. 
Reason: one hour's work and a lead-in that was not fully formed destroyed for the sake of nothing.
pants - four million articles - I'm going to choose one that you are not interested in.
lol. they never learn or work it out. mind-racer editor putting foot to the pedal. gone.
Sluffs (talk) 16:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  At 15:58 on the 11 September 2013‎ - user Ghmyrtle decided my future involvement in this article 

message: I think that the lede should mention the key subgenres, such as Motown. However, I think that just giving a list of subgenres does not transmit enough information to the reader (e.g., "The key subgenres are Motown, Northern soul, Blue-eyed soul....). I think it is desirable to have a list of these genres AND say a few words about each subgenre. And here is where the debate arises. Some editors object to the cutting and pasting of text from the body into the lead. The challenge is that the text in the body often does a very good job articulating the nature of the different subgenres, so it is desirable to copy some of the body's text into the lead. I looked in MOS:LEAD and I did not find a specific prohibition of reusing text from the body in the lead. There are statements that the lead should summarize the body, and that the lead should not have too many details. I think a few words about each subgenre is not too detailed.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 13:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The lead/lede, mentioning those sub-genres, is essentially fine.  Of course, the guidance is that the lead needs to summarise the rest of the article - that is why it is there.  The problem in this case is that the main article is still quite poor, and needs a lot of expansion.  I know I keep promising to expand it (see earlier threads) and one day I will.  But if anyone else wants to expand the main article (using reliable sources) while leaving the lead essentially as it is, go for it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede should mention the key subgenres, like Motown 

message: A good source for citations on Stax related matters is "Respect Yourself" by Robert Gordon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.238.114 (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation sources 

message: I tried to remove Fats Domino from the article, but it was reverted. Domino is neither a soul singer nor an influence on Soul Music. He is R&B, Boogie-woogie, and Rock 'n' roll. In one way it doesn't matter because this may be one of the worst articles on a major music genre on Wikipedia. But somehow the article needs to be cleaned up and if we can't start fixing the small problems in the article we will never get to the big ones. I have a library of over 1,000 music books and I have never seen Domino named as an influence on Soul Music. It misleads users. Comments please.StonePeter (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Fats Domino from the article please 

message: I think there should be a move to take out Northern Soul as a subgenre. It's not a genre or even a style it was a scene. All the soul played was basically American soul from Detroit, Chicago and the south. 
Semioplex (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The genres in the infobox in the top right corner of the page are listed in alphabetical order, not in order of importance. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Soul 

message: I've reverted this change to the opening sentence once, but would like to see further discussion here.  Of course, soul music was performed by African-American singers and musicians.  That is not in doubt.  But did it "originate in African American communities" - or was the fusion of secular R&B and gospel traditions into soul music primarily initiated by record companies, for the prime purpose of selling records and making money?  And, those companies were primarily (not exclusively, I know) owned by white people.   So, is it right to assert that the genre originated in African American communities?  Or, is it best to leave that unsaid, and for the reader to gain a more nuanced interpretation by leaving those words out and reading the whole article?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I too have reverted it in the past. My rationale was similar to yours. For now, I've addressed the linking issues, but would consider removal again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be willing to accept "African American community," which would be a cultural community rather than "African American communities" which sounds geographic. I also would not object to "communities" just being removed. Carptrash (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...originated in African American communities..." 

message: I just cut this phrase out:  "Some considered the sound to be mechanistic," because we really do not get to claim that "some considered" anything without including a source or reference.  I am not going to insert the cute WHO thing, if you have a "who" include it and stick the words back in. Carptrash (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, who added that? Because that is some blatant weasel wording right there. Rjrya395 (talk) 02:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't really matter who added it, just that it doesn't get back in. Carptrash (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Motown 

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