Talk:Salome

message: Can anyone give an academic reason for dating Salome's death between the dates of 62 A.D. and 71 A.D? I have looked everywhere and have found different sources with contradictory information.  I was wondering why these dates were given.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.224.121 (talk) 05:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: * 
* Talk:Salomé — Salomé → Salome – "Salome" appears to be more often used in English than "Salomé", e.g. Oscar Wilde names his play Salomé in French and Salome in English, see Salome (play)#External links for the original text of both the French and English version of this play  --Francis Schonken 19:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
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text: I have no idea what that is supposed to have to do with this page having been moved to the name with no accent, but that would be Salome, Arizona. - Jmabel | Talk 17:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Can anyone add information regarding Salome, Arizona? It's a tiny town on hiway 60 between Blythe, CA and Wickenburg, AZ and a historical marker in town refers to a radio personality's use of the Salome name in a runny joke. The town sign says 'Where She Danced.'
Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ranagazamarr (talk • contribs).
: I have no idea what that is supposed to have to do with this page having been moved to the name with no accent, but that would be Salome, Arizona. - Jmabel | Talk 17:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Moved here from the article page:Salome is also the name of a song by Texas alt-country band The Old 97's. Using the biblical character as an allusion, the song describes a woman who is not right for a man and who causes trouble in his life."used as an allusion" may be very important for The Old 97's band (so can be mentioned in that article, and even at Salome (disambiguation) if you like, or in the article on the album where the song features, etc...), for the Salome article: Trivia. --Francis Schonken 15:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: used as an allusion

message: Moving to talk page:Among others, breakcore artist Hecate appropriated the theme of Salomé's dance on the album Seven Veils of Silence (2004), using elements of traditional arabic music, breakbeats and droning noise/industrial ambiences.--Francis Schonken 22:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More of the same 

message: :Australian musician Nick Cave wrote a 5-act play entitled Salomé which is included in the 1988 collection of Cave's writings, King Ink (the play alludes to the Gospel account, Wilde's play, and Pierre Puvis de Chavannes's 1869 painting, The Beheading of John the Baptist).
Note that:
* The Nick Cave text is now mentioned at Salome (disambiguation)
* It is not a 5 act play, but was titled "Five Plays" by Cave, totalling 9 pages of lyrics;
* There are two 1869 paintings titled The Beheading of John the Baptist by Pierre Puvis de Chavannes  - so, unclear reference.
--Francis Schonken 08:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Continued

message: :Michelle Kwan famously skated as Salome in the 1996 season, winning both national and world championships.
...trivia, no? --Francis Schonken 08:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  And again 

message: :In Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical Sunset Boulevard, Norma Desmond wrote a script called Salome. It is a comicaly dramatic script for a movie in which she plays the lead roll.
Was it in the Sunset Boulevard film too? --Francis Schonken 15:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  and a new one 

message: I have removed this paragraph:
:=== Other references to Salome in modern and popular culture ===
:References to Salome and/or allusions to the dance of the seven veils are legion in modern and popular culture (including pop & rock music, poetry,...), and not further listed here: none of these retakes of the Salome character and/or the dance of the seven veils theme led to new insights regarding, or a new appreciation of, the Salome character.
This strikes me as being too "meta" for the article space.  It essentially dismisses entire categories of unspecified allusions to Salome and her dance as uninsightful, which strikes me as being rather WP:POV, and offers excuses as to why they are not discussed in the article.  I suspect that many of these allusions should instead be removed to a new page (Salome in contemporary culture?) if they are zealously disliked in the main article space.  Smerdis of Tlön 18:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph removed to talk 

message: I brought back some material that possibly was deleted too easily, requesting for sources where these seem to be lacking. The balance of what merits inclusion (or: is "relevant" enough for inclusion) maybe needs a new assessment. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in my opinion, all of the "Songs" section and the goofball "Television" section (with vampires, for God's sake) are irrelevant and bring nothing new to the understanding of Salome. Carlstak (talk) 01:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of trivia/sourcing/balance in cultural references descriptions rebooted

message: The description of Salome in Herodias as being a desciple of John the Baptist and killing herself after his death is incorrect, I will be editing the entry to reflect her actual part in the story.  The story can be found online at http://www.classicreader.com/booktoc.php/sid.1/bookid.1454/ for anyone who's curious.
Herodiade (talk) 15:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of Flaubert's Story Herodias Incorrect 

message: Does anybody know WHY Salome's Mother wanted the Head of John the Baptist. I've never really understood that. What was her apathy with him? I didn't see it mentioned in the Article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niwdog (talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: May I remind the above poster (whose references to Luke indicate that he is a reader of the Bible) that John did not base his opposition to the marriage of Antipas and Herodias on an opposition to divorce, which was permissible by Jewish law. Rather, he was against it on the grounds that Herodias was the wife of Antipas' living brother Philip. 173.233.34.10 (talk) 19:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anyone know WHY Salome's Mother.... 

message: At the head of the page is the note For other uses see Salome (disambiguation). Lists of appearances of the not-uncommon name Salome add nothing to the Wikipedia reader's understanding of the subject of this article.--Wetman (talk) 00:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Salome (disambiguation)]]

message: A note about an apocryphal story involving the decapitation of Salome evidently keeps appearing and disappearing from this article.  I added the following note about the origin of the passage:
:The preceding passage was printed in an 18th century text entitled The Apocryphal Books of the New Testamenthttp://books.google.com/books?id=CfWvq4gU1eMC&pg=PA269.  An edition published in Philadelphia in 1901 by David McKay (later a publisher of comic books) contains what is listed as a preface to the second edition of the work stating, "Concerning any genuineness of any portion of the work, the Editor has not offered an opinion, nor is it necessary that he should." http://books.google.com/books?id=CfWvq4gU1eMC&pg=PR12
--98.229.226.37 (talk) 04:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Apocryphal

message: In the BBC4 programme Mothers, Murderers and Empresses of Ancient Rome, Prof Catharine Edwards describes relationship advice given by Livia, wife of Emperor Augustus, to Salome the daughter of Herod. This suggests that there was a real person called Salome in the household of Herod but also, since this was in approx 20BCE, that by the time John the Baptist was old enough to be a follower of Jesus, Salome would have been at the very least in her 40s. 86.128.242.19 (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Salome 

message: The article makes it sound as if no fictional writing appeared before Flaubert.  But Anne Killigrew wrote the poem “Herodia’s Daughter Presenting to Her Mother St. John’s Head in a Charger, also Painted by Herself” in 1686:
Behold, dear Mother, who was late our Fear,
Disarm'd and Harmless, I present you here;
The Tongue ty'd up, that made all Jury quake,
And which so often did our Greatness shake;
No Terror sits upon his Awful Brow,
Where Fierceness reign'd, there Calmness triumphs now;
As Lovers use, he gazes on my Face,
With Eyes that languish, as they sued for Grace;
Wholly subdu'd by my Victorious Charms,
See how his Head reposes in my Arms.
Come, joyn then with me in my just Transport,
Who thus have brought the Hermite to the Court.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.144.2.129 (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salome text that predates the 19th C 

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message: Hi,
If I am reading this article correctly, the author is stating that Herod married Salome, and cites a large age gap between them.  The reference for the statement that Herod married Salome is #4; namely, Josephus, Book 18, Chapter 5, line 4.  Here is the quote from that source.  Please note that Herod married Herodias, not Salome. 
 " However, he fell in love with Herodias, this last Herod's wife, who was the daughter of Aristobulus their brother, and the sister of Agrippa the Great."  See http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-18.htm 
This is also corroborated by the account in Matthew 14:1-11.  I will quote verses 3 and 4, to show that Herod was married to Herodias, not the daughter of Herodias, named in this article as Salome.  
" For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her."    From https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+14&version=KJV 
The reason there was an age gap between Herod and Salome, is that she was the daughter of Herodias. 
See Matthew 14:6, quoted below.
"6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod."   From: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+14&version=KJV  
Herod had married Herodias, not Salome. Herodias was close to Herod's age (if Herod was 34 when Salome was born, as the article states), since she had a daughter who was at least old enough to dance before the king.  Please change the article to match the stated reference.  Thanks so much.  Chemistmom (talk) 02:29, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you are reading this article correctly!  Where are getting this idea about what the article says? The lead says she was Herod II's daughter and " According to Josephus, Salome was first married to Philip the Tetrarch of Ituraea and Trakonitis. After Philip's death in 34 AD she married Aristobulus of Chalcis and became queen of Chalcis and Armenia Minor." Johnbod (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josephus states Herod married Herodias, not Salome.  

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