Talk:17th SS Panzergrenadier Division Götz von Berlichingen

message: There is no town called Achensee! The Achensee is a lake! There is a town called Achenkirch near it!
80.109.134.50 21:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is anyone aware of which reference covers the suspected war crimes against the division by the American 42nd? Thakns in advance. NeoFreak 07:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "there was definitely a massacre" -- no, the only definite thing is that both Williamson and Munoz assert that there was a massacre without providing any source documentation for their assertion.  Even on this talk page, others claim that bodies supposedly found in this mass grave were actually found elsewhere.  On the internet, the claim that a massacre occurred is repeated, again without any citation except the two authors mentioned above. If this assertion were ever to be better documented, it would be a notable addition to the article.  As it is, it is best left alone. W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

text: It is also notable that a massacre of SS POWs by U.S. soldiers did take place on 29 April 1945 at Dachau during the liberation of the camp.  Anyone looking for more information on this may wish to read M. Kenny's comments on this site as it appears Kenny, unlike many others, did his homework on this incident.  Kenny notes there have been many assertions as to which SS unit the massacred men belonged to, among these units, the 17th SS Division -- but with no real proof to back the assertions. This incident may well be the ultimate source for the various assertions about the "mass grave" of 17th SS soldiers. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  One is surprised that "war crimes" or allegations thereof (even benign ones) are only listed under German (or Axis) units, while you'd never read that under Allied units. Now what conclusion is that suggesting? Somehow it's not a mark of objectivity --105.0.3.92 (talk) 02:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: War Crimes Reference

message: Can we get the image upgraded to .svg or a larger .png?  I'm terrible with image editing programs, but if it wouldn't be too much trouble it would be a lot of help for people who want it.  JagerSS (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Upgrade?

message: Where it happened ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.8.246.12 (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacre 

message: This section was removed in its entirety because it was directly copied from copyrighted material -- Munoz, Antonio J. - Iron Fist: A Combat History of the 17. SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Götz von Berlichingen".  If this material is re-introduced to the article, it should be written without stealing copyrighted material.  Please do not revert the copyrighted material back into the article. W. B. Wilson (talk) 06:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section: ''American Massacre of 17th SS Panzer Grenadiers'' 

message: Why was it named after this mercenary/Goethe novella character? Any theories? Historian932 (talk) 04:53, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was it named that way? 

message: When looking into some bunkers on the Norwegian coast, me and some friends found a quote/poem on the wall which was somthing along the line of (paraphrasing and translating) "If it is too quiet, you could do as Götz von Berlingen and lick my arse", think that had anything to do this division? Hjerta92 (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtful as the division was never in Norway.  The quote is (or was) well-known among Germans, though. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wondering 

message: This unit was responsible for the execution of 33 members of SAS Operation Bulbasket near Bonneuil-Matours in July 1944. Was this not a war crime? --TraceyR (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and add this to the article if you have source(s) for 17th SS involvement. W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Operation Bulbasket]] 

message: I have heard that the 17th SS division was raised as a cadre (officers, NCO's and leading soldiers) in 1941 on the south central Russian front under direction of elements of the 3rd SS division. This article is inaccurate!101.162.145.20 (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a source for this go ahead and edit the article then (and include the source[s]). Historian932 (talk) 01:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  17th SS division was raised in 1941 

message: Has anyone ever run across material describing the role of French volunteers in massacres in France? Seems like an interesting phenomenon.Historian932 (talk) 01:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of French volunteers?