Talk:Alizée/Archive Mar 2006

message: Should a new speculative page regarding Alizée's third album be created, which will have all speculations/rumors and tantalizing clues, including but not limited to the release dates and possible collaborations, that sorround her comeback album? --Soumyasch 09:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or that a portal be created to coalesce all information regarding the said album? --Soumyasch 09:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Third Album

message: There exists a brand of alcoholic drink by the name Alizé. Does it need a mention when describing the namesake of Alizée? My vote is against. I just wanted to know others opinions. --Soumyasch 11:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alizé 

message: The images of J'en Ai Marre and J'ai Pas Vingt Ans (in pic gallery) have been taken from these videos and NOT from their English versions. Even though the videos are more or less same, the titles should not be changed, as it will amount to a violation of copyright. --Soumyasch 07:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sequences are different in the two versions. Also, I don't feel it to be necessary to put in shots of both the versions. But I feel it should be correctly mention of which version it was taken from. --Soumyasch 12:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I am removing the lines which say that Alizée's third album is probably releasing in April. There has been no official word on this, nor is there any factual evidence which might point to this conclusion. The date is only a hope. So I have replaced the dates with a more generalized statement that she is slated to return in 2006. --Soumyasch 10:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculated dates for third album 

message: There were three citations in the Personal Life section. I removed then and replaced them with an equivalent phrase, beacuse the quotes were from english translations of her interviews and thus could not be directly attributed to Alizée. --Soumyasch 09:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: I think this is time we go in for a peer review, so that we may get this article to a status of a featured article candidate. What do you think? --Soumyasch 10:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one raised an objection. So I am doing it. --Soumyasch 00:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: :However, it seems likely to assume that at some point in the future "She'll be back".
I removed this line, as there was no reference or citation supporting the claim. --Soumyasch 00:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  She'll be back 

message: Alright the last name might be Jacotey (weird as a French spelling, but you never know with Corsicans), but according to , her birth prénom is indeed Jennifer. deeptrivia (talk) 01:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see  and the references there, and the transcripts of her interviews here. --Soumyasch 01:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name 

message: Noting that there were more countries where her singles were on, I updated the singles chart. - An Alizée Fan, 15 March 2006
:I formatted the chart to fit better on 1024x768 screen without horizontal scrolling. --Soumyasch 09:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia, Piece of Paradise. You do not have to include the reference for every table, just below it. You can put the link in the References section at the bottom of the page. And as of this particular reference to www.alizee-fanpage.com, it is already listed in the reference. So there is no need of duplicating it elsewhere in the article. --Soumyasch 13:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts Updated 

message: The revision regarding Alizée's future by Frits Van Houten had some structural glitches, and I made some edits to it, to state the same facts minus the seemingly biased POV. I am writing the rationale behind doing it.
:In what was claimed to be an unpublished interview with Alizée herself, from November, 2004 Alizée would supposedly have said that this new album would be more in the style of rock music. However, the validity of this interview has never been verified, and it should be noted that celebrities of Alizée's status normally don't give interviews without being paid and/or having a signed contract saying it will be published.
The second line (it should be noted...) shows one's personal opinion to a general practice, and is not a verifiable claim. This is not from a neutral point of view, and hence should not be included in the article.
:Since the following information is almost 3 years old, it doesn't say anything about Alizée's plans today
Just because the information is old, it does not mean it will become irrelevant in today's context, specially when no action is visible to suggest either ways.
:So, at this point nobody besides Alizée herself can say what her plans for the future really are.
In addition to Alizée, her production team will have some information, even though it might not be as exhaustive as what she knows. So, it is better to say that "her future plans can't be confirmed right now" (or something similar) rather than pinning it down to who knows and who doesn't. 
:In what was claimed to be an unpublished interview with Alizée herself, from November, 2004 Alizée would supposedly have said that this new album would be more in the style of rock music. However, the validity of this interview has never been verified, and it should be noted that celebrities of Alizée's status normally don't give interviews without being paid and/or having a signed contract saying it will be published.
The article claims this interview to be unofficial and unverified. But it is claimed here that the interview was official. This is a reference against what is claimed in the article. I am not removing it but am bringing it up for discussion. There is also no reference for the pre-tour interview mentioned.
In addition, the flow of the section was not coherent. First it dealt with present scenario, then moved back 2 years, then further 1 year, then to present again. I tried to fix it by first describing the present situation, then the situations which led to the current belief (the two interviews mentioned) chronologically. But there can be a better structure.
::The old version can be seen here and the version with my edits here.
--Soumyasch 18:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These seem like sound changes and I think they improve the article. It would be good if others voiced their opinion so that we can get consensus. Everyone please stop revert warring, as this is not likely to get any disputes resolved. In fact, revert wars have a way of turning into personal vendettas that don't help us write a better encyclopedia article at all. Officially the rule is WP:3RR, however personally I stick to a 1RR principle, and let the rest be determined by consensus. Being pushy about "your" version is only going to turn editors against you. jacoplane 20:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the changes have been reverted twice within two hours of their inception, by Frits van Houten. --Soumyasch 20:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alizée's Future 

message: Frits van Houten, could you please explain why are you so intent on putting in your opinions to bias this article, when it should be kept neutral? --Soumyasch 19:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting Clarification 

message: :T. Hendriks from www.Gourmandises.nl probably still has the article.
Could you please get a reference to that article for the references section? That would only benefit the article. --Soumyasch 21:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you get a reference? 

message: I have changed the picture gallery to include only screen captures of Alizée's music videos and performance videos. As long as the picture gallery contains such pictures only, that too one screenshot per video, it would be easier to give a fair use rationale for the pictures, as the rationale for using one image applies for others as well. So please make sure only pictures which meet this criterion are included in the gallery. I am making a template which details the fair use rationale of the images. Please include the template in all the images that are featured in the gallery. The template, which can be used by including , can be previewed here.
:The template displayed here is only for previewing and does not apply to this page.
--Soumyasch 09:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture gallery 

message: I noticed that Air France was written as the airline that started the competition. That's wrong, it's actually "AOM". "Air Outre Mer", as it is called, is a former French airline partly acquired by Swissair. - Piece (Piece Of Paradise) 11:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Airline

message: Do you think Alizée's charitable performance in Les Enfoirés needs to be somewhere put in the article? Should it be put in the Career section or a new section for Charity (or something similar) be created?
--Soumyasch 14:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I included that in the Personal Life section, because I couldn't find a better place to put that info, and couldn't write enough to justify a new scetion. If you feel you can contirbute in this regard, please do and spin it off to a separate section if you feel like. Also I have said Alizée is actively involved in charity. But I am not sure if I should use is. I used present tense because I feel if a person ever does something charitable, she will always be a supporter of charity works. Even if the person doesn't do anything notable, it doesn't mean she is not doing something minor. Still, if somebody feels this is not correct, please go ahead and edit it into past tense. --Soumyasch 16:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Les Enfoirés 

message: As per the peer review, the article needs a (professional) critique on Alizée's music, i.e, comments (both positive and negative) from professional reviewers should be presented. Can someone please help find reviews (English or French) which speaks on her style of singing (and not any song in particular)? Please edit the article to put relevant quotes (preferably in a new section), or post a link to the review here. And if it is a magazine publication, please give a link to an online transcript of the same. Please translate French quotes before putting them in. --Soumyasch 04:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a Critique section. Please modify it if it is not good enough. --Soumyasch 14:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: The early years section quite resembled Alizée's biography at rfimusic.com, I have edited it. --Soumyasch 14:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Years 

message: There has been no confirmed official word regarding Alizée's comeback into the music buisness for almost two years. Her official site has been down since the summer of 2005 but there is speculation by fans and gossip magazines that she is set to make a comeback in the near future. [citation needed]
:I am providing a link to the discussions regarding the rumors in the fan forums, from there links to both fan rumors as well as mag rumors can be worked out. But am not sure whether this citation is really needed. I am not providing links to scans/texts of individual mag rumors, as there are many. Still, if the gossip magazines word is controversial, it can be taken down.
However, another gossip magazine recently published an article claiming her to have supposedly cancelled all her contracts to spend all of her time on raising her daughter. [citation needed]
:Citation pending
In an interview that was taken just before her concert tour in 2003, Alizée said that if her second album doesn't achieve sales comparable to that of the first, she won't do a third album, [citation needed] however there has been no further official follow-up information regarding what is happening.
:Citation pending. See discussion above.
In what was claimed to be an unpublished interview with Alizée herself, in November, 2004, Alizée supposedly had said that she was working on a new album, which would then be in a style of rock music[citation needed]. 
:Done
However, the validity of this interview has never been verified. Numerous other rumours regarding her possible third album have surfaced in the last one year, only to turn out to be false[citation needed].
:The interview, I think, needs a mention because it is regarded by many to be authentic, and because, if it indeed is authentic, it does give important info. So I kept the mention of the interview, highlighting associated issues. No other rumors have been explicitly mentioned. And I am not providing one more citation here since that would also lead to forums discusions.
--Soumyasch 04:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations in Future section