Talk:The Sandman: Worlds' End

message: argh. someone please make this better. i'm damned if i can write something good on the prez story and the litharge story in an even vaguely small amount of space. i'm sure SOMEONE can. AW.
AW - World's end is a number of other things. Some of which are probably more notable than this one. Disambiguation requried.
Indeed. There are many pubs named the World's End, including one in Camden Town. Perhaps "World's End (The Sadman)". BTW, is is "Sandman" or "The Sandman"? I'm not sure. I've never really understood the Prez story -- either its relevance to the rest of the collection, or its ending which left me with the feeling of being unfinished. -- Tarquin
OK, will disambiguate to Worlds' End (Sandman) in a bit. Please note it really IS Worlds' End, not World's End. It's The Sandman (check the spines of the collections). (I notice the last two sentences are a bit odd as counterpoints, but I disambiguated Brief Lives to Brief Lives (Sandman), so may as well keep consistency.) The Prez story is rather nice, I think, but leans rather heavily on America as a subject. I could write a rather good 3000 word essay on it but i'm a bit stuck for a paragraph. :) --AW.
: The Prez story leans so heavily on America because it's a re-use of an old, long-retired character who was, in fact, this "all-American" golden boy who was elected President in his own short-lived comic. It's kind of built into the character, so as far as analyzing Sandman itself goes, it's more a matter of why that character was chosen. I suppose there's rather a lack of Messianic-yet-unpowered characters in the history of comics, and Prez just fit. Nerrin 08:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Make it better

message: I've created a proposal to reorganize the Sandman articles by story arc instead of by trade paperback. My full proposal and discussion on the issue can be found at Talk:The Sandman (Vertigo)#Reorganize storylines.--Marcus Brute (talk) 00:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of interest, tried my university library (cambridge, we're one of the UK deposit libraries), whose search appears to have just been redesigned to be 100% less usable. they don't seem to have the sandman books on file. anyone know if library of congress is publically searchable? AW
DC Comics call it "World's End" - http://www.dccomics.com/directcurrents/comics/1-56389-171-9.htm Mintguy
Mintguy - then all your sources are wrong. But it's clearly not your fault for trying to correct, although it illustrates the dangers of secondary sources. I'm sitting next to my first edition copy of the Worlds' End collection, and I previously owned the most recent softback reprint; both call it Worlds' End. It is clear from the actual story why it is called this. The story is set at an inn which is not the inn at the end of the world but at the end of the *worlds*, hence the name is in fact grammatically correct. IIRC, the bibliography on Gaiman's site isn't written by himself or anyone directly related to Sandman, and contains a few typos and errors, though it's generally good.
I'm not sure re Oneiros. I got it from memory. I'll have to find the issue where the name is used and check up. --AW
"Oneiros" is correct. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear: I mentioned that as evidence that that site is not letter-perfect, not as another correction for the articles here. I don't remember noticing the apostrophe. "Worlds" plural makes more sense given the story. -- Tarquin
I don't have my copies with me to check, or I would change it myself.
Isn't it The Cluracan, (The being part of his name?) Vik-Thor
Good point. I think you're right. --AW
Isn't the World's End in Camden an inspiration for Sandman the World's End? Number 0 16:05, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganize storylines

message: Has someone noticed that the waitress that shows up on the very end of the story, to whom the story is being told, wears a pingent in her necklace pretty similar to the one given to Nuala by Larissa? Would she be Nuala herself or maybe Larissa?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.102.78 (talk) 06:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderfully observed! Indeed, they do look very similar, but I cannot find any conclusive evidence to confirm. I wondered if it was Thessaly, and/or perhaps the woman who gave Nuala the necklace (given the flexibility of chronology in the series). I checked The Sandman companion and came up with the following: on page 248, Bender asks Gaiman (of the "female bartender....who bears a definite resemblance to Thessaly") "...there's no mention of who the woman is in the story, and there's not even a hint of it in your script for the issue. Any comment?" Gaiman responds: "No, I'll leave that determination up to the reader. Sometimes a character is best left unnamed." I am sure there is a convincing case to be made for Thessaly or Nuala, but I think no comment should be made on the page assigning authorial intent. Cfsibley (talk) 18:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Waitress 

message: Does it seem necessary to mention Death in the Synopsis? I think not. Ideas? If it does seem necessary, can someone please help with improving the wording "sadly"? I am out of ideas, and it seems a radically oversimplified analysis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfsibley (talk • contribs) 18:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis