Talk:Fairy

message: I've drafted a section on several modern Christian theologians and philosophers who have written about the reality of fairies: David Bentley Hart, John Milbank, Stephen R. L. Clark, C. S. Lewis, and J. R. R. Tolkien. This content, if others agree that it is relevant to the article, might be better integrated into the rest of the outline, but I did not see an obvious location for it. Feedback and suggestions much appreciated. Jjhake (talk) 03:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. The section should be clarified regarding how this is only a minority idea within Christianity. And Tolkien is only explicit about the possible reality of fairies in two places, the conversation reported by Lewis and the “Manuscript B” that I note. In addition to the five or so modern Christian thinkers, there are many example that are not modern, however, and I think it makes the most sense consolidated as a minority voice within Christianity. Jjhake (talk) 12:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

text: reading over your comment again, I might need to put some quotes into the citations to help here. The “Manuscript B” by Tolkien is clearly a second example of Tolkien being very glad to entertain a literal belief in fairies. The material from Milbank, Clark, Hart, and Lewis are all substantial as well in the more modern era. There is much more that could be cited when it comes to premodern Christianity as well, of course. Jjhake (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

text: I've tried restructuring the section to achieve several things: 1) make it clear that belief in fairies is a minority position within the Christian tradition, 2) follow a chronological order to allow for notes on the changes in the nature of belief that do take place with modernity, 3) select a more clear and explicit passage from Tolkien. There are no doubt far too many block quotes, and those should likely be summarized and cut down to very brief in-line quotations of just brief key phrases. I'm also open to the concern that this entire section is misplaced or poorly-structured in some more basic way, but I'm hoping that my few edits are starting to address some of the problems that you pointed. Jjhake (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section drafted on "Christian belief in fairies" 

message: the paragraph 
A group of fairies is called a “spark.” For instance, “the spark of fairies moved so quickly they looked like a flash of lightning.”
is uncited, narrative dialogue, and generally detracts from the article. it should be removed. 2601:649:0:E890:C073:FBFD:6E2:57ED (talk) 23:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I think that I added the citation needed tag a long while back. Another issue with it is that it was just inserted into the lede. If a good sources exists, such info might go in the article body somewhere but not the lede. Just deleted it. Jjhake (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  improper paragraph 

message: Change Celtic to Gael 146.198.75.64 (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The word "Celtic" appears 10 times in this article. Please make your request more specific. Pinchme123 (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023 

message: Malory's Morgan le Fay was just an awkward semi-translation of the French la fee Morgane (first used centuries before Malory and used still today: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fée_Morgane), also known as Fata Morgana in Italian etc. One other notable Arthurian sometimes-fairy is the Lady of the Lake.
As explained by Richard Cavendish in King Arthur and the Grail: The Arthurian Legends and Their Meaning (p.41):
"Fay is an old word for fairy, but ‘fairy’ nowadays has all the wrong connotations. It suggests a little, insipid, sugary, gauzy-winged sprite out of a story for small children. There is nothing childish or insipid about Morgan and the other Arthurian fays, who are tall, commanding and seductively beautiful. Dominating, ruthless, sensual and unpredictable, they are sometimes benevolent and sometimes cruel. They have formidable magical powers and are intensely dangerous to cross. They are of a race older than man, and they are either immortal or live far longer than any human span. They appear in the human world whenever they wish, but their true home is in the otherworld or land of faerie. Although the legend makes Morgan Arthur’s half-sister, she retains her faery characteristics." 
This sample (late) medieval French image may also serve as an illustration of this concept: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IRHT_17155_2_P.jpg (Lancelot being courted by "Morgaine").
5.173.76.191 (talk) 10:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite request: Arthurian fairies are NOT only Morgan, and NOT only in Malory