Talk:Magus (Chrono Trigger)

message: I'm against the idea myself. If the real name of a character is a spoiler then there's no reason to have a "real name" section for any character, you could argue against Marle's, Robo's, and Frog's entries for the same reasons. The information is below the spoiler line, which is conveniently placed at the TOP of the article. And quite frankly, if someone is looking up Magus in an encylopedia, it's not too much to expect us to present the information in a straightforward manner. --BigCow 19:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magus's Real Name being a spoiler 

message: Note that he is speachless for a while when his earlier self and Schala tells him (the prophet) to spare Crono and his party.
:: Yeah.  That scene was probably the first real moment that 'Janus' came back inside of Magus so to speak.  Up until then, the character known as 'Magus' was in essence a twisted figure whose personality had been entirely overrun by sheer hatred and sorrow, which is evidenced by just how very far he is willing to go in order to get his vengeance on the alien godbeast.  When this kind of mentality of reckless and obstinate hatred and rage overcomes a being of Janus his power, it's not hard to see how and why the world of 600 A.D. was plunged into the nightmare that it was.  Also, as that particular part of the storyline you mentioned goes on, you can gradually see Magus regain his old feelings of affection for his sister.  In the Ocean Palace especially, when Schala collapses and the Prophet instantly reacts by approaching her slightly while uttering the words: 'Schala...!'.  Basically, what you saw there was 'Magus' gradually becoming 'Janus' again for an increasing amount.  The only thing the storyline never directly showed was the shock that Magus must have felt when he saw Schala again for the first time after having been thrown into the year 600 A.D., so many years ago from his own perspective.  
:: It's this unusual and rich character development which makes me enjoy recruiting Magus inside the party so much each time I play through this game.  
:: "You're... Janus, aren't you..?"  80.200.0.185 15:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magus showing no emotions 

message: I recall thinking a long time ago that Janus had great potential all along, but hid this fact due to the way his mother used Schala for her power. He figured it better to be written off as insignificant than to be made a pawn. Is this in any way substanitated, or is it just a theory?  --Onikage725
:A few quotes in the game suggested something along those lines. A few of the enlightened ones said that Janus didn't exhibit any magical power, unlike Schala. And another one says that Melchior believed Janus would eventually become more powerful than all of them. You can interpret that to say that he was hiding his power, or that it simply hadn't developed yet.--BigCow 18:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Young Janus' magical abilities 

message: This article is currently a testbed for a unified computer/video game character infobox, . It uses a series-specific subbox, .
Input on this infobox would be appreciated; note that the addition of things that would be obvious to readers unfamiliar with Chrono Trigger (such as what game is involved and the character artist) is intentional.  - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|General CVG character}} 

message: I'm working with the references.  Also, is there any information from Toriyama or Kato regarding Magus' design we can include? Sir Crazyswordsman 17:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm at your disposal today 

message: What I need now is for everyone to scour the internet for mentions of Magus is out of universe events. If we can get some out of universe information, the article will improve greatly. --Zeality 20:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, that was amazing.  I guess when you're Chrono Compendium webmaster you know what is where, and know stuff that I don't. Sir Crazyswordsman 21:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article revamp complete 

message: This article fails GA primarily on point #3, comprehensiveness, due to a complete lack of information on the creation or design of this character, and little information on how popular this character is (right now, there's only the GameFAQs battles, not mentioned outside of the intro, and the 8BT mention, which seems largely trivial).
This really can't (or shouldn't) pass GA until it's half or less plot summary. Right now, the plot summary could be soaked waaay down and this could be merged into List of Chrono Trigger characters or Chrono Trigger. I know there has to be more to say about Magus than that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is finding sources. Ask a random forum of fans who the baddest CT character is, and they'll name Magus. But no professional organization or publication has ever talked about this, and Toriyama is infamous for being tight-lipped and hidden from the public eye. So we're stuck. --Zeality 02:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you might be better off making Characters of Chrono Trigger, slashing the plot summary dramatically, and trying to get that through GA/FA. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, there are articles such as Selphie Tilmitt and Wakka which are much, much more suited for a list than Magus.  Magus has MANY more sources than some of Nomuras characters. I know you guys are trying to go after the SNES characters first, but we want to make these articles actually decent.  Frankly, I don't think we should butcher plot summaries just to put characters into lists.  Lists are where we start, and when listclutter becomes a problem, we break it off.  Lists aren't a goal, they're an origin.  If someone made a stubby article first, that would become more suitable for a list. Sir Crazyswordsman 05:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then merge those, too. I'm just telling you that you don't, right now, have the content for an article. Bloated plot summaries need to be reduced, not encouraged or protected, and when all you've got is plot summary, you don't have an article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: It seems to me that Janus Zeal should be merged into this article, seeing as how it's the same character. -Timzor 22:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Janus Zeal]]

message: This page really needs spoiler tag, it reveals magus identity in the first few sentances, that could ruin a game to somebody, to me moment of realisation who magus was, was the best moment in the game.. wikipedia shouldn't ruin this to somebody..--Defufna 13:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tag