Talk:Jesse Reklaw

message: He was born in 1981 and was getting a phd in 1995?  How precocious.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.180.75 (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As edit summary said, Slow Wave is the reason Reklaw is notable/a bio of him without info/description of Slow Wave doesn't make any sense, and the awards he had been given/the narrative of his bio are integrally woven into Slow Wave/history of Slow Wave. I think it's fine if you want to repeat some or all of the Slow Wave info in Slow Wave as well, but deleting it from Reklaw bio does no service to readers.
:Slow Wave has its own article. It certainly needs to be mentioned in the author's article (though it's not the only reason he's notable - a few years ago it would've been), but extensive details, critics' comments, etc. belong in the article on the strip; at least that's the way it's usually done. (Contrast Chris Onstad, who's done virtually nothing except Achewood - there still isn't any extra Achewood detail in his bio.) And it's not good article style to interweave biographical narrative with comments about a single work; it's a pretty basic standard of articles about artists and authors to keep most of the bio stuff in a separate section.
:The material that I moved into the Slow Wave article, I ended up paring down further there for various reasons which, again, I explained in edit summaries & should probably be discussed at Talk:Slow Wave. ←Hob 06:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is true that the Reklaw article should include information about Slow Wave + Reklaw. That doesn't mean everything about Slow Wave + Reklaw. A brief description of the strip is sufficient; there's a link to it in the very first sentence, and readers are accustomed to following links when they want more on a particular work. This is very, very standard - not just with long articles. If you think this is inappropriate because both articles are stubby, why wouldn't you just suggest an article merge? I don't understand why you didn't add any of that material in the Slow Wave article in the first place if you think that's the way to do it, but if you had, you might've realized that that's a lot of (heavily referenced) material to keep synced between two articles. Finally, I didn't "delete half of a bio"; a bio is a biography, and if anything, I've expanded that part. ←Hob 06:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't like to break it down as inclusionist/deletionist, I prefer to look at specific cases. In this case I disagree with you on two points. First, yes, it might make sense to merge Slow Wave into Reklaw; and it might be okay, if unwieldly, for them to both have the same material; but for the Reklaw article to say more about Slow Wave than the Slow Wave article does... that's the one thing that would not make sense, and I can't think of a single instance on Wikipedia where the artist's page has more about a specific work than that work's page does - except in cases where someone started a stub and never followed through. Second, it seems to me that you're saying they're both "excessively abbreviated" because you disagree with the cuts I made in the Slow Wave text after I moved it. I cut every one of those things for specific reasons, which you can certainly address if you want to (see my notes in Citations below), and I would've done it regardless of which article the text was in. I agree that both articles are now stubby - there's plenty of room for expansion; that doesn't mean the stuff that was originally there must be immune from criticism. ←Hob 09:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slow Wave 

message: I realize this may seem like I'm nitpicking because of our other disagreements, but this is really a separate issue: the use of section headings in this article and in Slow Wave was a bit wacky. The guidelines on this are pretty straightforward. "References" should be for sources that are cited for particular facts - not for an artist's works (Applicant). "See also" should be for related Wikipedia articles (Dream art, Slow Wave) and nothing else. (Why on earth is The Comics Interpreter in there? Oh, I see - they interviewed him once. That's really a stretch; better to wikify the other article, and let them use "What links here".) "External links" is for interesting reading that's related to the subject, including his website. (In some of the cases where I think the comments you've cited don't necessarily belong in the article, I'd still be in favor of listing those sources as external links.) Bibliographic listings should be in a section called Bibliography or something similar (some articles use "Selected works" or break them down by genre, etc.). I'm going to take a stab at reorganizing these now - please don't just revert them wholesale until you've read the related guidelines. ←Hob 07:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, "why on earth" means "I'm really puzzled as to why"; "that's a stretch" means "it's too tenuous a connection to justify a See Also"; and I'm mystified as to the "bad faith" part. If you saw them as attacks, I'm sorry. As for the references, you are certainly right that they don't have to all be footnotes; my objection was to the use of an inline/footnote reference for one of the artist's books. ←Hob 11:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of section headings 

message: Thanks to both of you for seeking a civil solution to your disagreements! As to the specific case here, I would say that as this article is about the man, a summary of his notable accomplishments (such as :Slow Wave) is indeed appropriate.  However, detailed information about these should be left to the article specifically about these accomplishments to enumerate, rather then rehashed here. A reader wishing to know more about a specific accomplishment can always follow the wikilink. Of course, a summary of the comic's content is quite alright, as well as a history of his development of the project (provided such information is verifiable, but since most such information would be non-contentious a statement from the author himself would be a valid source in this case). The article is also in significant need of being split into sections, which I believe would address many concerns of too much text.
While I see no significant problems in the civility area, I as always encourage everyone to remain civil and assume good faith on the part of others. Seraphimblade 19:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: There's a citation from a Yale alumni interview, saying that the story in Best American Comics 2006 is an excerpt from a graphic novel in progress called "13 Cats". I've been informed by the artist that this was a slight mistake by the reporter: he is working on a book which the "Cats" story will be incorporated into, but that isn't the title of the book. Obviously personal communication can't go into the article - but if at some point Reklaw updates his news page he may include the correction, at which point I'll make an edit here.
In any case, it's also verifiably true that the story "13 Cats of My Childhood" appeared in Couch Tag #2 before being collected in Best American Comics. Everything in BAC, by definition, was previously published elsewhere; it's a best-of-year reprint anthology, and doesn't include excerpts of anything that wasn't already available. I'm not sure why User:Cindery is so adamant about not including that fact without a footnote, as anyone who has the slightest doubt can check the credits of said anthology (it's no different than asserting that a particular song appeared on a particular album), but I've already had my edits on that subject reverted once and I'm in no hurry to try again right now. BTW, the minicomic in question was nominated for an Ignatz award so probably deserves at least a mention. ←Hob 19:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "13 Cats" as a graphic novel 

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