Talk:Engagement

message: Can anyone find out about the legal bases of engagement? In Germany and Switzerland, at least, there are laws that regulate it in more or less detail -- how is that in English-speaking countries?
I also understand that in most European countries, the engagement ring is worn on the 4th finger of the right hand, to distinguish it from a wedding ring. Comments? JREL 14:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal nature? 

message: Should there be an extra link to an article at the top about engagement in the military sense? 59.167.138.207 10:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is an appropriate article to link to, a disambiguation link would be fine.  Which article are you thinking of?  ACW 16:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other meanings for engagement 

message: All veins lead to the heart. --⁪frothT 22:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vein that leads to the heart? 

message: I would not disagree with the portion of the article that states that it is common in the US to call friends and family after a proposal has been accepted, but is it really "traditional"? I'm just curious how much sociological evidence supports this versus some author's personal experience within his or her own family and friends as well as with cinematic depictions cmac 07:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling friends and family? 

message: I'm confused by the idea that the engagement period may be a creation of the Fourth Lateran Council: if you look at the Bible, you'll see certain passages (mostly in the Torah) that discuss virgins pledged to be married, and I think that the Hebrew Bible is just a trifle older than the Fourth Lateran Council :-)  Nyttend backup (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the Talmud talks about it, where it is called shiduchei.Mzk1 (talk) 20:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engagement period begins in 1215? 

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message: There is clearly at least one typographical error in the sentence:
In some other countries from South America, like in Argentina, man and woman use each one a ring, and these are generally very similar to the wedding rings, with the difference that they are made of silver instead of gold.
Can anybody figure this out and correct it? roricka 17:47, 10 December 2008 (ET)
:I think it's supposed to mean that the fiancées give each other a silver engagement ring.  Churchh (talk) 07:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear typo but can't figure out what is meant 

message: In the section for "Engagement rings" shouldn't it be the fourth finger?  See Ring_finger and Vena_amoris.  The main article Engagement_ring also mentions the "fourth finger". The only reason I've not edited it yet is because some claim that the thumb is not a finger, though the article finger seems to contradict that notion.  Any objections to changing this article to read "fourth finger?" --Raztus (talk) 07:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third or fourth finger? 

message: What is the difference between Betrothal and Engagement? --91.96.59.30 (talk) 17:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In some cultures they are the same, but in Judaism they are two different things; Betrothal is the first stage of marriage.Mzk1 (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betrothal 

message: Since a number of wedding terms redirect here, should the glossary of wedding terms be added to a See Also section? 68.94.213.50 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also? 

message: This section has no supporting evidence.  It needs verification.  I realize we Americans have parties for just about any- and every-thing, but I don't recall ever hearing of an engagement party.  I'm not saying they don't exist, but in Wik we are supposed to verify things with refs.Kdammers (talk) 09:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Engagement parties

message: Now and then, even in some wikipedia articles, this term can be found referring to 20-21st century situations. But is engagement recognized in some way by the modern legal systems? Does engagement require registration with government in some jurisdictions? Any legal consequences? Article only slightly mentions legality when applied to some situations few centuries ago. This way or the other, article should have a section on the legal status of the subject. Yurivict (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am currently researching this for the engagement ring article, but so far it looks as if there were at least two and possibly three related but different concepts: engagement, betrothal, and espousal (don't know if the last two are the same). Until the Protestant Reformation betrothal was official, legally binding (although the contract could be annulled by paying restitution), and sanctioned by the Church. Then around 1525 the wedding vows in England changed to "with this ring I thee wed" at which point the wedding became more important than the betrothal. (No idea if Catholic countries followed suit during the Counter-Reformation) According to some sources, that's when betrothal started to become mere engagements. Today people do not register with the government, but some aspects of engagement are relevant in civil suits, for example, if a woman supports her boyfriend to get him through medical school and then he dumps her, an engagement ring would carry a lot of weight in court, but only as supporting evidence. Zyxwv99 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there such thing as "legally engaged"? 

message: A new Mormon section has just been added. The section title is too long. It should match the other section titles. The inline citation needs to go in a footnote. (WP:MOS has info on how to do that.) Also, we frown on websites as sources as they are subject to "link rot." The same information should be available from something in Google books. Here is a handy tool for turning a Google Books url into a Wikipedia citation: http://reftag.appspot.com/ Zyxwv99 (talk) 15:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormon section 

message: Does anybody know how to fix the opening paragraph? Because I've counted up the number of apostrophes and it all seems to match up. But for some reason, the formatting's broken. --75.186.76.198 (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. The edit that caused the problem was 23:35, 19 November 2013‎ 75.0.180.16, the betrothed near the bottom of the paragraph had a third apostrophe at the beginning but only two at the end. Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird formatting in opening paragraph