Talk:Rammstein/Archive 1

message: I'm not sure where whoever wrote 1993 got it from, but I changed it to 1994 - Source http://www.rammstein.com/Band/Timeline/T1994/ /Hugoflug 23:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Band formation

message: I have not read any information stating that Rosenrot will not be released in the U.S., only that no U.S. or Japan release dates have been announced. Does anyone have a reference that says otherwise? --mdd4696 00:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is likely that the U.S. will have a release date very close to Canada's... don't give up yet! --mdd4696 21:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: they're not releasing in the US for awhile. u can order it online though or buy it as an import. i bought mine at Virgin in NYC. --msh25 03:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read on a fansite (www.rammsteinniccage.com) that Universal will be releasing it around the 28th of March. --stolilv87 01:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Olliver said: "We don´t want to release in the US something in the following time. We´re messed up of the USA" --[User:Rosenrotes Benzin|rosenrotesbenzin]] 22:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Rosenrot Release Date

message: My German friends glow red at the mention of this band, and hotly claim that Rammstein is not representive of the German music scene. :) -- Stephen Gilbert
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Too bad for the German music scene. ;-) --Pinkunicorn
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Is it true they are banned in the U.S.? Heard this from a friend. Love the music, don't have a clue what they're saying, be it left-wing, nazi, or talking about their love for pink bunny rabbits. Dze27
They're not banned in the US.  The record store at my local mall has all their CDs.  It's all on Amazon.com too.  Don't know about radio, but haven't heard anything about it. -Anonymous fan
I've heard them on the radio. But only a few times and the first time I heard them on radio, they were playing an English version of Links zwo drei vier. -other anonymous fan
Also, somebody translated the lyrics and posted them .
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I heard that new album will be released in march 2004?!
TASHA
I don't think we need a list of every song they've ever written. The songs on albums are listed in the article on that album. They are apparently in the studio so March 2004 seems unlikely. Secretlondon 15:35, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
Links 234 is just a video from Mutter - it wasn't released as a DVD as far as I know. The only release of videos was Lichtspeilhaus. Unless there was a DVD single? Secretlondon 23:13, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there was a DVD single  but it apparently wasn't released in the US. --Biekko 00:46, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Asorted comments

message: From http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/reise_reise , which translates the phrase as "arise, arise":
:Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language.
-- ChrisO 21:02, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, ChrisO, but this has been already discussed in Talk:Reise, Reise (before Herzeleid.com published the lyrics and the translations). --KeyStorm 18:36, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of "Reise, Reise"

message: Compare today's Manchester Evening News article on Rammstein  and the "Controversies" section of the Wikipedia article... -- ChrisO 12:43, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lazy journalist copies and pastes this article

message: Any word about Laibach? --Yonkie 05:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laibach 

message: I know this has been mentioned before, but I thought I'd repost this for those who don't read older posts.
The album and song Reise, Reise means "Arise, Arise."  Yes, reise can also be used as a noun to mean "journey", but this is not the case.
Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language. 
(Jeremy Williams. Herzeleid.com.  http://www.herzeleid.com)
--Der Sporkmeister 16:50, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reise, Reise 

message: * "With the exception of the song "Amerika", which uses some English words in the chorus, Rammstein's lyrics are entirely in German."
No, Stripped was in English. Then again they didn't write it. This should be changed to include Stripped or why it's not.
::You are correct.  Stripped was in English.  Also, Flake Lorenz's cover of "Pet Cemetary" was in English, too.  I'll make the edit, but why couldn't you do it yourself? --Der Sporkmeister 01:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just making sure I wasn't being a dumbass... I often make simple but profound mistakes, and I didn't want to put anything wrong. DevastatorIIC 05:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stripped in English 

message: what about the t.A.t.U. collaberation. i'm in the proccess of writing the track listings in the native russian and german of the 2 groups. I've also got some artwork. email me at theblindburito@gmail.com
:This is great to know. Why don't you add your contributios to these pages yourself? It would be easier than passing over information from one end to the other. :) --KeyStorm 11:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  pruzinki 

message: It appears that a user from 205.188.116.198 disputes the line "The extra 'm' in the band's name means that it translates literally as 'ramming stone', or 'battering ram'.". That user argues "Rammstein does not translate into 'Battering Ram', since the word 'Ramm' has no meaning whatsoever." Arguments like that are better suited for the talk page rather than the article text. Also, from the construction of a similar word it appears that the argument is incorrect. I've reverted for now; people with opinions should resolve it here before changing the text. --William Pietri 05:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty good, but do you have sources on the band denying their connection to the accident? Because the song Rammstein is obviously about this accident. --NorkNork 09:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I haven´t found any source in the german discussion of the article, I´ve just translated it. Sorry. --84.166.211.144 09:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of Rammstein 

message: Which individual songs, if any, should have their own pages? Recently some articles such as Amerika (old_version) and Rammstein (old_version) have been redirected to their albums. Shawnc 07:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Any song that is notable enough to have an article of its own can have one.  "Du Hast", for example, is one of Rammstein's best-known songs.  It is worthy of having an article of its own. --Der Sporkmeister 15:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But what's the point in redirecting them to their albums? Jogers 20:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual articles for songs? 

message: The article currently lists two instances of the Segway HT incident (Flake hitting Lindemann), once for a July show in Sweden, once for a June show in an unnamed place. Aren't they actually the same incident? rWd 16:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are completely right. Fixed.
b0red 20:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segway incident 

message: Is there any reason for these, or am I just going insane? o.0 b0red 22:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some issue with the template, I think I got it fixed. --Bjarki 22:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names at the top 

message: *No need to link to "battering ram" from "ramming stone" as well, since it's already linked from "battering ram" itself.
*Spelling/grammar/style on the Grammy Awards line.
*Song and video titles (short works) in double quotation marks, not in italics. Album and VHS/DVD titles (long works) in italics without quotation marks. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles). Quotes also in double quotation marks, except when mentioned on a line of their own.
*Removed duplicate links, so that any given link appears at most once per section, except in the movie appearances table.
*Rather than linking "Halleluja" to "Links 2 3 4", I'll create a redirect page titled "Halleluja".
*Capitalization in titles: all words. (Following the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles). I'm also fine with capitalizing only the first word, as long as the same scheme is used throughout the article.)
*"Links 2 3 4" is without commas, at least according to the Mutter album cover. It is given as "Links 2-3-4" on the single front cover, and again as "Links 2 3 4" on the back cover. So I guess we should use dashes or nothing, but at least no commas.
*The title of the single "Engel [Fan-Edition]" is given with brackets on its cover.
rWd 23:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the cleanup! ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Capitalization rules in German are different than in English. I suggest using this scheme  (to capitalize only first worlds and nouns in German titles). Jogers 21:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of my Dec. 14 edits 

message: Hi all. I've been thinking about creating a sound clip, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers, for this article. I would like to get some input on what people think is a typical song for Rammstein; one that would illustrate their style enough in a 30 second (or less) sound clip. I think the following songs show off the different elements mentioned in the Rammstein#Lyrics and style section of the article:
* Ich Will - Like many of Rammstein's song, it has a heavy beat. Till doesn't sing much, but he definately uses that signature deep voice. It's chorus is like many of Rammstein's songs; here it's a weird saw-like melody.
* Du Hast - A song many Americans are already familiar with. Edgy like some of their earlier music, but Till sings like he does in their newer albums. The keyboard and guitars are prominent.
* Zwitter - Has lots of funky sounds and an electronic metal sound. One of the weirder songs they've done.
We'd have to choose one of their longer songs since we can only make samples that are 30 seconds long, or 10% of the song, whichever is shorter. Well, leave your comments or suggestions! ~MDD4696 01:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ich Will" is very powerful. "Du Hast" suffers from having been horribly mistranslated, and misunderstood.  From the latest album, Rosenrot, "Feuer und Wasser" returns to earlier form- more old style Rammstein, and they would probably appreciate the joke (their pyromaniac obsession) or perhaps, even better, "Hilf Mir" (more pyromania with a good dollop of strange fairytale land and madness), it has a very familiar feeling to it, although I find it a very compelling Rammstein track.     Chamonix 23:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the songs you suggested ("Hilf Mir" and "Feuer und Wasser") are good examples of their lyrical content, but I also think that they're too subdued to represent their musical style in general. ~MDD4696 05:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've added 4 sound clips that I think demonstrate several different aspects of Rammstein's style. Each clip is supported by some part of the Style or Lyrics sections. ~MDD4696 00:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example sound clip 

message: In line with other music pages (I'm trolling through the heavy metal ones doing this), I've separated the discography off to a separate article. This prevents duplication on, for instance, band member articles and also reduces the size of the main page. If anyone fancies making it into a Wikitable and adding images of the album sleeves, be my guest! IainP (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Is there some kind of source to the stuff about american "conservatives and christians" having accused Rammstein of immitating Hitler by singing with rolling r's? (If any yankee has a problem with rolling r's they can take it up with every Russian, Spaniard, Swede, Pole etc who uses them.) I don't really see the point in mentioning this since it only works as bizzare guilt-by-association. It seems to me as an excuse to squeeze in the word "Hitler" and the word "Rammstein" in the same sentence.
:I did a brief search and came up with http://www.religioustolerance.org/sch_vio6.htm, although they don't source the claim either. It's a fairly reputable site, so I put a link in the article. ~MDD4696 20:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is mainly the german media, for example magazines like Der Spiegel. This does not only stem from the rolling r's or the military beat, but also by articles from music magazines. Music magazines termed bands like Rammstein, Einstürzende Neubauten and Subway to Sally "Neue Deutsche Härte" (new german hardness) - to describe bands that had relatively "hard" music and sang in german, something that musicians in Germany didn't dare to do after Germany's past. Due to this term, the general public somehow associated Neue Deutsche Härte with neo-right ideologies. This was picked up by several conservative journalists, resulting in bands like Rammstein, Subway to Sally and sometimes In Extremo being called Nazis. --NorkNork 16:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of r's 

message: If you inquire a German dictionary the only word that I know of that translates from Battering ram is der Sturmbrock. It seems to me that if there is no word "ramm" but it exists in english, and that if "stein" means stone, and then you come up with "ram stone" in english, that doesn't mean that it means the same thing in German.
:"Rammen" means "to ram" in German, so the translation "ramming stone" or "ram stone" is perfectly legitimate. --NorkNork 15:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. By the way, there is the word Rammbock which means much the same as Sturmbock -- Genesis 16:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the same. Sturmbock redirects to Rammbock on de: . --NorkNork 17:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on meaning of the name 

message: Do members of Rammstein have signature instruments? Sabrebattletank 03:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you clarify the question? Are you asking about the instruments themselves or the type that they play? ~MDD4696 04:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Richard has a signature guitar, ESP RZK-1 /Hugoflug 14:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarification: Do they play speccific types, like does Flake always play a Korg Triton keyboard? Does the basist play a certain bass?70.21.105.41 19:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Paul Landers plays a Gibson Les Paul. --NorkNork 20:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature insturments?