Talk:ORVYL and WYLBUR

message: The system consists of three parts:
:WYLBUR -- Text editor /user interface
:ORVYL -- Time-sharing monitor looks after file storage, virtual memory and resource scheduling
::ORVYL commands are limited to eight characters
:::SHOW FILES LIKE suchnsuch
:::GET ????
:::PUT ????
:::SET ????
::ORVYL User's Guide -- A guide to the ORVYL file system and command language. 
:MILTEN -- Terminal communications interface
The original computer system at SLAC worked with all of these components. Other systems may have replaced ORVYL and MILTEN with local equivalents.
SPIRES was separate but on the same system at Stanford. It was a database management system and an ORVYL program.
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It does seem a little strange.  While WYLBUR is the text editor that goes with ORVYL, WYLBUR was used much more than ORVYL, and I believe came first.  WYLBUR was used for editing and submitting batch jobs even on systems that didn't do timesharing.  (Especially on S/360 machine without DAT hardware.)   Gah4 (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wylbur was also used for word processing. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 12:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: *MILTEN handled start/stop terminals
*NIH Wylbur was a total rewrite
*There were several commercial vendors of Wylbur
*AFAIK those who implemented 3270 support did so outside of MILTEN
*Wylbur was not designed as a time sharing system.
*The article could use an explanation of associative ranges.
*The article could use a family tree Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Prior to Wylbur there was Conversational Programming System (CPS) under OS/360 and RUSH, developed by Allen-Babcock. I believe that RAX was also in that time frame. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 12:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: I've started a round of updates to this article. Jeff Ogden (talk) 04:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeff, thanks for your work on Orvyl and Wylbur. I did my best but they are topics in need of some loving care and attention from someone knowledgeable. You have started to supply that. Thanks. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to work on the ORVYL and WYLBUR article, but I'm not really all that knowledgeable about them and so it would be good to have others, hopefully more knowledgeable than I, review my changes. I suspect that it will take me two or three days to get my changes made. Jeff Ogden (talk) 04:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article updates : August 2010 

message: * The page "WYLBUR" has been moved to "ORVYL and WYLBUR".
* The page Talk:WYLBUR has been moved to Talk:ORVYL and WYLBUR.
Jeff Ogden (talk) 01:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pages moved 

message: It is pretty clear that WYLBUR isn't an operating system since it requires ORVYL or OS/360 or one of its successors to run.  But if it isn't an operating system, what is it?  Calling it an editor seems to sell it short.  It can probably be called a time-sharing system since it supported multiple users connected via terminals.  The risk there is that to many people "time-sharing system" implies "operating system". Would the phrase "time-sharing sub-system" be better? Is there another more appropriate label to use?
And while ORVYL or OS/360 is the operating system under which WYLBUR ran, I think it is the case that many (most?) WYLBUR users thought of WYLBUR as the operating system they were using since it was the thing with which they had the most direct interaction. Not sure what the best way to deal with this in the article is, other than to just come out and say it. Suggestions? Jeff Ogden (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In computing, the Time Sharing Option (TSO) is an interactive time-sharing environment for the lineage of IBM mainframe operating systems running from OS/MVT through MVS and OS/390 to the current z/OS.
So, would calling WYLBUR "an interactive time-sharing environment" be appropriate? Jeff Ogden (talk) 20:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe subsystem is the term usually used. WYLBUR uses the OS to do file I/O, and MILTEN to do terminal I/O. ORVYL does provide some features that other operating systems might also provide, but not those needed to run WYLBUR. (Systems without virtual storage can run WYLBUR for editing and job submission. WYLBUR EXEC files are a very limited form of time-sharing.) Gah4 (talk) 20:44, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  WYLBUR, isn't an operating system, but what is it? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've added a list of organizations that wrote enhanced versions of Wylbur, But I'm sure that it's not complete. Also, I don't have all of the manuals for NIH Wylbur. If anybody has manuals for any of the enhanced version, please include them in the references.
Also, I've started a section on editing. I don't have time to flesh it out, but I'm hoping that someone can do some wordsmithing on it. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Good man! Thanks. -- Derek Ross | Talk 03:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm thinking of adding a section on SuperWylbur™, especially the macro facility, but I'm concerned that it might be TMI. Also, I'm hesitant to add a section on only one proprietary version, and don't have the documentation for OBS Wylbur. Any thoughts? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 00:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts? Just do it. There are only a few people who will be interested. But those few will be extremely interested and the information is not widely available. So I don't think that you need to worry about TMI. Plus it is a notable part of computing history that it is in danger of disappearing. -- Derek Ross | Talk 01:38, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enhanced versions 

message: That they were named after the Wright Brothers? 199.168.151.173 (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we say the obvious 

message: It is desirable to specify a language with the SyntaxHighlight tag, but only if the language specified is appropriate for the text that it delimits. Wylbur syntax has nothing to do with COBOL, and lang="cobolfree" is inappropriate. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the language is specified, it is considered a error. You must specify the language supported by Pygments. -- Cedar101 (talk) 08:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syntax highlighting 

message: The original Wylbur was open source. The versions from ACS, OBS, OSI and SSI were proprietary. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:29, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  License