Talk:George Fife Angas

message: A fuller version of Angas's biography exists at http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A010018b.htm?hilite=angas
Ozdaren 14:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: Is this a copyvio of http://gutenberg.net.au/dictbiog/0-dict-biogA.html
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I understand that copyright has ended for the content at Gutenberg, but it should at least be referenced.
Mark Hurd 05:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: Recent edits have left us with the headline description of "English businessman, banker and slaveholder" and the paragraph
:Over the next 20 years Angas took a large role in the family business in Newcastle with branches in British ports, the West Indies and Spanish America, and steadily developed his own shipping business in London, also spending time in Honduras where he owned 121 slaves. He was awarded some ₤6,942 by the British government in 1835 as a result of the compensation scheme that arose with the abolition of slavery.Fernandes, C. Island Off the Coast of Asia: Instruments of statecraft in Australian foreign policy (Melbourne: Monash University Publishing, 2018), 13-14.
The Guardian also has an article about the new book that highlights Angas as a poster-boy of using gains from slavery to establish his holdings in SA. Both the article and the Legacies of British Slave-ownership database describe that G.F.Angas collected the compensation. All four claims were awarded to other people. Neither the Guardian nor the database appear to assert that Angas himself was a slave owner. The database does not appear to indicate what the relationships were that led to Angas collecting the cash, nor what he did with it next. It seems a stretch to assert that he was a slave-owner himself based only on him having been the assigned collector. He might just as likely have been an associate able to collect in person then transfer the money to Honduras, or a debtor who was receiving the compensation in payment of a debt from the claimant. Does the book give clearer detail? --Scott Davis Talk 05:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Further checks - it is 70 years later, but The Advertiser in 1909 certainly associates Angas with the emancipists not the slave holders.  I've also found other references that put Angas with Wilberforce and Buxton. --Scott Davis Talk 06:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Another fact to check - the article presently states that he spent time in Honduras. That seems to be derived purely from the fact that he collected the compensation moneys. Other sources state that he had founded the Provincial National Bank in 1833 and the Union Bank of Australia in 1836, both in London, around the time of the compensation settlements. He seems to have spent the early part of his adult life working with and for his father in England, not  in Honduras. --Scott Davis Talk 13:49, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

text: The wiki should reflect the balance of historical research. Five historical sources (Hall, Fernandes, McQueen, the Legacies of British Slave-ownership Centre, and Coventry) argue that Angas was a slaveholder and benefitted directly from slavery. There are no historians who argue otherwise. In order to state otherwise one must engage in original research, which is what the wiki presently does on this matter. You have misunderstood the Coventry article. The point is that Legacies only says Angas "collected" compensatory amounts, not the reasons why. However, the research of Hall and McQueen shows that there was actual ownership of slaves by Angas. For this wiki to be objective it needs to state what the present balance of historical research is. Remember, no historian disputes this argument as yet. Unless you can disprove this, I struggle to see how I am the editor with an "agenda"...  User:Jack bulldog 2012 20:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slave owner or activist in emancipation