Talk:Abdul-Karim Qasim

message: In the article, it says: "Another assassination attempt, motivated by suspected pan-Arabist influence and state control over the petroleum sector, was carried out with the backing of the British government and the American CIA in on February 9, 1963. Qasim was killed after a show trial on February 9, 1963." I think these two are mutually exclusive. You can't get killed after a show trial, by assassination, can you?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.130.57.172 (talk) 15:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  assassination or show trial? 

message: Declassified UK cabinet papers of 1963 printed in The Guardian on 1 January 1994, p5 revealed British & USA backing for the coup which removed Abdul Karim Qassim. AllanHainey 12:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  revealed British & USA backing for the coup 

message: Would anyone object to a move to Abd al-Karim Qasim, which is a more accurate form as well as that used in academic works such as Hanna Batatu's Old Social Classes and Charles Tripp's A History of Iraq? Palmiro | Talk 17:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also the spelling in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and the Library of Congress catalog. Another vote for a move. --Cam 16:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody has objected in more than a year, so I did the move. Please inform me if I did anything wrong etc. --Magabund 16:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: Many sections of this article express POV, such as the following snippet:
:"Qassim’s accomplishments are too many to include here in memory of his death. His accomplishments did not only include those in relation to politics and economy, but they covered a large range of improvements with regard to social services, legal system, agriculture, health and education, construction and the arts. Considering the short term of his leadership (four and a half years) and the youngest experience in the life of the Iraqi Republic, Qassim’s era brought the highest number of accomplishments and positive changes to Iraq compared with eras that preceded and followed him."
The claims made in the sections "Death," "After Death" and "Accomplishments" should be more precisely stated and qualified. Regardless of their accuracy, they lack citation and are written in such generalities that they constitute POV. In addition, the aforementioned sections contain several grammatical and spelling errors. Since the sections require revision in the first place, however, I did not fix these errors.
Thucydides411 07:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. In its current form, this article is definitely not up to Wikipedia standards. Chrisahn 23:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Tag 

message: Unreferenced material:
:He is still praised for his unselfishness by the Iraqi people: It is said that he died without owning anything, that he slept in his office in the Ministry of Defense and he used to give half his salary to his sister to cook lunches for him. During his rule he started many very serious attempts to develop the country and to improve its infrastructure.
Unreferenced POV:
:His accomplishments did not only include those in relation to politics and economy, but they covered a large range of improvements with regard to social services, legal system, agriculture, health and education, construction and the arts. Considering the short term of his leadership (four and a half years) and the youngest experience in the life of the Iraqi Republic, Qassim’s era brought the highest number of accomplishments and positive changes to Iraq compared with eras that preceded and followed him. 
Original research:
:A source in the First Branch of Iraq’s Directorate of Security told this writer in 1967 that some 340 Communists died at the time. A well-placed foreign diplomatic observer, who does not wish to be identified, set the total death toll in the neighborhood of 1,500. The figure includes the more than one hundred soldiers who fell inside the Ministry of Defense and “a good lot of Communists.” 
 
Unreferenced POV:
:He left Kafr Qasem with the reputation of a disciplinarian, meticulous and honest.
Confusing paragraph, not sure what writer is refering to:
:The Iraqi Communist Party championed Qassim throughout his rule, despite the steps he took against it, he tried to make a national government without any political influence from any party. It later appeared that Qassim's move against the Communist Party was his biggest mistake, since he was left with no means to mobilise ordinary people to defend his regime when the Ba’ath Party launched a coup in 1963.
:Qassim succeeded in the struggle against Egypt's Nasser. Gamal Abdel Nasser stated, “No doubt the fact that he had incurred my displeasure weighed against his position. But in the direct contest I was thwarted; I grudgingly acknowledged my defeat, just as I have since acknowledged defeat against other opponents in the Middle East arena.”  
POV tone:
:Qassim had the very difficult mission of steering Iraq through that era when pro-Arab nationalism was at its peak of power in the Arab world, especially after the formation of U.A.R between Egypt and Syria under the leadership of Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt.
Best wishes, Travb (talk) 03:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the following to talk 

message: wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below. —Preceding comment was added at 23:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I am not familiar with third opinion, but I know it is not binding.  Second, regardless of opinion, copyright violating sources are not allowed, particular blogs (where they do not address individual blog opinions in relevant individuals' articles).  Third, nothing has been addressed as far as the hearsay nature of the claims in the articles claimed.  There is nothing here proved or prudent, as far as I am concerned.  129.71.73.243 (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: ; Viewpoint by User:Dabbler: My opinion as summarised above is that there were sourced statements, albeit at secondhand, that the CIA was involved in the coup which overthrew Qasim. In this edit , User:129.71.73.243 deleted all sourced references to the CIA and its involvement in the coup because he did not think the websites were suitable. This is despite the fact that they were copying stories from reputable publications.
:Despite an attempt to get around his doubts about the sources in my edit  by adding "reported", the references and sources were repeatedly deleted. Rather than get into an edit war, I did not restore the deletions but continued the argument on the Talk page and requested 3rd party opinion. 
:My resolution as summarised above is that: 
:"(User:129.71.73.243) agrees to allow it to be noted (with sources) that there have been people who have said that the CIA and/or American government agencies were involved in the coup against Qasim and that the CIA aided Saddam in his attempted assassination. You are very welcome to provide other sourced statements to the effect that these allegations are nonsense......." Dabbler (talk) 00:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of the dispute 

message: Shows the tendency to avoid pan-Arab symbolism even more clearly than the flag... AnonMoos (talk) 02:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qassem government coat of arms 

message: Wasn't Abd al-Karim Qasim the president, as opposed to the prime-minister?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.215.18 (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leadership 

message: Those terms are explained on the Arab nationalism article, but would be extremely confusing to many in the way in which they're used on this article... AnonMoos (talk) 14:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  qawmiyya vs. wataniyya 

message: I have removed a map of supposed territorial claims due to it being inaccurate. I had previously forwarded my concerns about the map to the user who created it. Adel (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Born in tohwita in 1990, from a mother and a father.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.130.222 (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgio abdel karim 

message: I've noticed a number of self-published sources used in this article (for example, Angelfire.com, which I removed). In addition, I find that the sole source used for all of Qasim's achievements--the glowing "Iraqis Recall Golden Age"--is from the War and Peace Institute, probably not the most reliable source for historical facts. To balance what I percieve as a pro-Qasim POV, I have added a brief section on human rights violations under his regime. The fact is, Qasim was just a mini-Saddam, and his seizure of power launched a mass exodus of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis desperately trying to escape (a significant part of Iraq's population at the time).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He was in some ways crude and rough-edged, and had a relatively brief and turbulent reign, but to call him a "mini-Saddam" is merely a gratuitous and inaccurate insult.  Many of those who remember aspects of Qassem's Iraq fondly do so precisely because of how Qassem was different from Saddam... AnonMoos (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it was gratuitous, but I was trying to make a point. No-one wants to praise the monarchy the British propped up, but it was a lot more civil and democratic than Qasim's regime. In any case, I apologize for derailing the talk page with too much opinionated commentary of my own.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality and sourcing 

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thread_title:  Assessment comment 

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