Talk:PlayStation Portable/Archive 4

message: PSP graphic unit has a very limited hardware clipping capability (only the near plane), software clipping is used in most games, that is something very technical but it could be added, as the article cites the hardware clipping.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.153.138.54 (talk) 01:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Limited clipping

message: http://pspbcg.googlepages.com
and yes it's mine because nobody else seems to have translated it :(
if this isn't useful please delete it
qwaxys (talk) 22:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this a usefull link?

message: shouldnt there be a little notice that gives a link to the simulerly acronymed braindisorder found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_supranuclear_palsy Atomic1fire (talk) 02:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really if you are searching PlayStation Portable you most most likely looking for PlayStation Portable instead of Progressive supranuclear palsy. Joeking16 (talk) 15:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brain disorder?

message: Hi, I added a model numbers section, as I couldn't find this info easily, and it seems to fit here ? Also I'm not 100% sure it's exhaustive? Jaruzel 12:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model Numbers 

message: Hi i thought Playstation portable only played games , a bit like a gameboy. But now im discovered it does internet,videos,pictures etc as well! i really want one Lol, is internet cheap, do you have to pay extra for it?? Im confused how it works. --Rebeccarulz123 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet via playsation portable 

message: I saw this: 
"However, recently released games such as Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters use a 266 MHz clock speed."
But have never seen anything backing up this factoid.  I've removed it, as I believe it's inaccurate.  If you can provide a citation for it, feel free to re-add it. 66.253.105.30 01:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  266 MHz Clock speed in R&C:Size Matters 

message: This is necessary. The ease of piracy with the PSP through custom firmwares is an extremely significant facet of its design. The sources to be used will be first party sources issued from such users as Dark_Alex in his release notes for his OE firmware. If such information is going to be prohibited on wikipedia due to the lack of an "official" "in the system" source. then there is a flaw in the system that is detrimental to the accuracy and completeness of the encycopedia. For the sake of letting this simmer for a bit. I will make no edits now. but I will within the next couple of days. There might be a homebrew article already. but the issue deserves more presence on the main console article.Colberton 01:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Homebrew/Piracy/Emulators

message: Things such as homebrew software have been traditionally kept to a separate article, and which is then briefly summarized in a small section in this article. I notice that a couple of editors are consistently trying to incorporate this into the general prose. This generally shouldn't be done because such things are largely unofficial. For instance, I could use the PSP as a paper-weight, but it isn't mentioned in the article, nor should it be. I could also use a toaster to burn books, but that's not mentioned in its article either. Hacks and homebrew software should be kept to the homebrew specific article; leave this one to official features. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unofficial features 

message: If you find any download able demos for the PSP or find out that your local EBGAMES/Gamestop is giving them out please post this info in the article. It will help everyone looking to get a taste of free stuff. --Shamo0 02:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The PSP Demo stand alone article 

message: I've noticed that, including the picture of the console itself in the infobox, this entire article only has two photographs. For an article of this length, it might be beneficial to brighten things up a bit. If anyone can think of some items to add, I can do the leg-work and either locate an appropriate picture or take one myself. - ZakuSage 02:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: add a pic of the new psp camera or the psp with the Umd slot open with a UMD sticking out..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Someone told me the other day that you can't use headphones not especially made for the PSP. I came here, thinking i'd find something on the matter, but could not. Can anyone give me any insight? Thank you.71.8.41.143 03:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk page is not the place for discussion on the article's subject, but yes you can as it uses standard headphone jacks (just as I'd assume most people would expect). - ZakuSage 00:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  headphones 

message: I think this needs to be mentioned. Even if you are a PSP fanboy, you can't ignore these kind of facts.
In Japan:
*18 DS games have sold better than the top selling PSP game.
*Only one PSP game has sold more than 500K, and no games have sold more than 1M.
*The top selling DS game has sold 3,508,819 more games than the top selling PSP game. That's 625% more.
*Over twice as many DS games have sold 100K units than PSP games.
No matter how you look at that, the PSP is getting slaughtered in Japan. Of course, these aren't worldwide sales mind you, but I don' think the PSP is winning anywhere. I think this is important to mention somewhere. System sales aren't as big of a gap (DS sold 17% more worldwide, not including Lite), but a gap of 625% in terms of best selling game is big deal and needs mentioning.
PSP game sales in Japan
DS game sales in Japan--SeizureDog 01:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For neutrality's sake, as well as not creating a troll magnet, I'd say it's not a good idea. Note that in it's current state, the article makes no mention of the DS for one very good reason: this article is about PSP, not DS, nor the competition between them. Also note that in the article for Nintendo DS there is only one careful mention of PSP, which itself is contained in a very poorly constructed section that needs a clean-up anyway. Perhaps such information would be best left to comparison articles or the "History of video games" article on this subject? - ZakuSage 01:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, personally I think every console article should have some information on how it fared against its competitors. I actually came to this article a while back specifically to see how it compared to the DS in sales and was surprised to find no comparisions. I'll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but I just as equally want information of how the PS1 beat out the N64 as shown in the Nintendo 64 article. I find avoiding the subject actually less neutral than mentioning it as it conveys a sense of "let's not mention any bad things about it". Plus, I'm sure critical opinion can be found speculating on why the DS won in the handheld market (probably something along the lines of the PSP spreading itself out too thin with all of the multimedia stuff).--SeizureDog 16:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if anything we should just let the facts speak for themselves; state the beleaguered software sales and leave it at that. If possible, I think we should try to find numbers for the entire world as well, rather than just for Japan, as this is an international encyclopedia. Focusing too much on the competition really only will end with a poorly constructed article and inevitably non-neutral article, as has happened with the one for N64. Additionally, I think the best thing to do would be to avoid speculation as it could well be any number of things causing a lack of software sales. - ZakuSage 05:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should gloss over the relatively poor sales of the PSP. We're not saying "PSP sucks, DS rules," we're saying "The PSP hasn't been as successful as its main competition in terms of sales." It's not a neutrality issue; it's a factual and informative statement. Sir 0rion 07:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing is, this article is about the PSP, not how the PSP compares to the DS. Given that they're not aimed at the same markets (Nintendo are aiming squarely at casual gamers, Sony are... well... shooting blind, essentially) a comparison is slightly unfair, plus adding anything like that to an article is going to draw out the rabid fanboys and the whole thing would get very messy. - Davidjk RC Patrol 07:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I understand your point, Davidjk, but the fact that they are shooting blind and are a lot less focused than their competition is immediately pertinant to the progression of the system, as well as its past, present and potential future. If Sony decides to drop the PSP next month (hypothetically), it will be because the PSP did poorly on the marketplace. Now, as a reference to that fact, we would use the DS as an example of a system that did not do poorly, indicating that it was the system itself that failed to earn money, and not an unreceptive marketplace. Again, it's not a "DS is greater than PSP" statement, it's an "At this point in history, this system sold well, while this system didn't," statement. It will provide a future reference point for the decisions that both companies make with regards to their systems, so it is therefore a reasonable thing to discuss objectively, the way I see it. Sir 0rion 22:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was something about this on the BBC News website. The PSP has suffered from having few games written for it - mostly ports of games written either for other systems, or written as a multi-system release. The DS has had games mostly written specially for it, so making better use of the hardware, and meaning that if you want the game you need a DS - whereas with the PSP if you want the game you  can then decide do you want the PS2, PSP, PC, etc., variant. Its anecdotal, but within my extended family all the original DS owners (2) have stayed DS owners; anyone buying since has bought DS Lite (4); and of the three PSP owners, two have since bought DS Lite, and one buys DS games to use on his sister's console - and hasn't bought any new PSP games, or, as far as I can tell, play much on his PSP. I don't think it is a sign of the relative merit of the systems, but it is a sign of the relative merit of the games available for the two systems. The brain-training games seem to have done a lot to boost the DS, and the touch screen (laughed at by the PSP owners, initially, along the lines of what kind of game would want split screens) has made it a preferred platform for the animal-care stuff (Nintendogs, Petz, Sims4Pets, etc.). Nintendo do seem to have worked wonders by aiming at the large mass of people who didn't usually consider gaming as 'their thing', and it looks as if the Wii is about to do the same in the console category. Bendel boy 10:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup. But this is the role of the talk pages - stuff of interest, but not relevant to the encyclopaedic entry.Bendel boy 09:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as this talk is kept here I see no problem with that. What I don't want to see is this being dragged into the main article, as was suggested above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.182.98.12 (talk) 21:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Which one was more of a commercial success is not a matter of opinion.  It's a proven fact that so far, the DS is more of a commercial success because it has netted more profit for Nintendo than the PSP has for Sony.  That doesn't mean everyone has to prefer the DS, but this particular aspect of the competition is undebatable.  As such, your argument isn't really valid. -24.15.49.197 02:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately all those features eat up battery life and prolong load times-very important for a handheld.Tehw1k1 07:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There has been a few games that have sold over 1 million for the PSP before this discussion started.--Yomoska 06:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor game sales compared to DS 

message: A common trend that has begun cropping up is, instead of using flag icons for the release dates, people have been using superscript shortened titles for the regions. I bring this forward because the PSP was released in North America, not the US, on the release date mentioned on the site. If no one objects I'll change the flag icons to things like NA and EU. --Thaddius 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: Probably, some reference to the List of PlayStation Portable launch titles should be added in the article. I created that article but can't edit this one due to the date of my registration. --Rtut 15:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of launch titles 

message: The summary bar at the top says Units Sold, but the source [1] only provides units shipped. The same goes for source [2], which quotes the same 24.70 million number with a breakdown of shipments, not units sold. There is a huge distinction between these two ideas, and Sony rarely, if ever, announces how many units they actually sold.
I realize that the actual data in the right column says shipped, but the bold letters on the left column are misleading. While it might be standard practice to mention Units Sold for a video game system, if such data is never available, then there's no point using that phrase IMO.Eliwood914 09:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to "Discussions About The PSP Shipments" Eliwood914. You are topic creator number 1064, please take a number. There's nothing "misleading" about anything- it's clearly stated MULTIPLE times in the article that the numbers are shipped numbers, not sold numbers. Ex-Nintendo Employee 16:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think it would improve the article if there was some info about how well PSP has actually sold, has it been a success, what the reception has been etc. That information, which would be expected to be there, is missing. 212.68.7.227 09:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipped vs. Sold? 

message: Updated the firmware revision information, can someone just double check it though as I'm unsure about half the stuff I wrote (it's all off the top of my head!)and I don't have access to yourpsp.com from college to check it all. Thanks Huds601 13:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware Revisions 

message: I proposed that List of PlayStation Portable launch titles should be put into this article. If not: the list of launch titles needs to go. I see it being notable, but all consoles and handhelds have launch titles. It's an article better suited for a gaming site/game wiki. If someone really wants to know, they can read a gaming site or game wiki. RobJ1981 20:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. Article is long enough, and a list of 23 games would be way too much. I'm fine with just something like "was launched on <date> with 23 launch titles." Juggaleaux 01:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge. I couldn't agree with you more Rob, a merging of the list of launch titles would be nice, seeing as all of the other portable and non-portable consoles all have a list of launch titles...and I don't think it would make the article that much bigger! §†SupaSoldier†§ 17:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose. It was my understanding that lists are discouraged on wikipedia, unless they are standalone articles named as such. It is not needed on the page and a quick link to a seperate page is completely reasonable. --Thaddius 16:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose I don't see where it does anything for this article to have that moved in. RunedChozo 23:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose - Though I agree an article of a list isn't very encyclopedic, it wouldn't benefit the PSP article if the list was just merged to it. To be fair something like the Wii launch article would be far more appropriate, not just for PSP but for every gaming console. - Throw 09:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose - I think the article is quite long to be merged. Lugiadoom 12:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

message: I think there is value to adding model numbers to the article, primarily due to the UMD region restriction. If someone wants to buy a color not available in their region, the model numbers can help identify if a different color is available that is still compatible with UMD movies of their region. Thoughts? Wikipedia XP 23:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the people removing the list. It isn't necessary or informative. Obviously if I buy a PSP from Japan it's going to have the same restrictions as a DVD player, and every DVD player article doesn't have a list of serial numbers for each region. It just takes up space and makes a good article look ugly. - Throw 05:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree with you at all. There are only one player of UMD-movies, the PSP, but there are tons of DVD-players in the market. Look at the Swedish PSP article , it's just so much better than the English version, and it has got information about model numbers. 87.227.62.166 11:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose to Add section with PSP Model Numbers? 

message: I'd like to add a section regarding motherboard revisions. We have the TA-079 and TA-082 pages at the moment, (TA-086 hasn't been created yet) as nothing really links to them. Perhaps a merge could be done? Huds601 09:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any substantive information other than the home-brew specifics (which are covered on the homebrew page)? Both TA-079 and TA-082 just redirect to this article at present. If you do have some non-home-brew information, however, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it included. Jshiell 13:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: How come both TA-082 and TA-079 redirect here when this article has no content whatsoever about them? THat is rather pointless. Someone vandalized the articles into crappy redirects. It could atlwast redirect to http://bestwikiever.wikidot.com/TA-082.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realg187 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSP Motherboard Information 

message: "9.00 - 10/03/2007 - New Feature TV Channels. Channels available only in Japan, US and UK. Security update."I've heard absolutly nothing about this. Putting up a fact tag. --Thaddius 20:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, it's just vandalism (suspected as much). Can someone else revert it? --Thaddius 20:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest firmware 

message: Could someone please translate something from the Swedish article since it is better than this, the English, article. 87.227.62.166 16:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In need of translation 

message: Can we please leave the custom firmware section there and stop deleting it. It is highly important to the history of the PSP, as well as it's current and future development.
Also, I think the article needs to be locked again. There seems to be alot fo edits going on, and I don't think mnay of them have been beneficial. 82.46.37.33 17:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had it locked out and have attempted to piece everything back. I think the article is currently in a good state. --Auto(talk / contribs) 19:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Custom Firmware and Edits 

message: To me, the sections in this article seem to be in the wrong place.
Why do "Demos" and "Controls" have their own section under features? Also, there is a section for "Internet Access" and as well as a section for "Wireless Networking." I propose a bit of a re-arranging of all the sections from this:
    * 1 Variations and accessories
          o 1.1 Colors
    * 2 Features
          o 2.1 Games
          o 2.2 Controls
          o 2.3 Demos
          o 2.4 Greatest Hits titles
          o 2.5 Internet Access
    * 3 Multimedia and codecs
          o 3.1 Camera and GPS
    * 4 Wireless networking
          o 4.1 Ad-hoc networks
                + 4.1.1 Gamesharing
          o 4.2 Infrastructure networks
          o 4.3 Infrared
          o 4.4 RSS feeds
    * 5 Design and specifications
          o 5.1 Technical specifications
          o 5.2 Optical Drive
          o 5.3 Battery life
          o 5.4 Interface
          o 5.5 Firmware
          o 5.6 Firmware update history
                + 5.6.1 Sony firmware Editions
    * 6 Homebrew development
    * 7 Controversial advertising campaigns
    * 8 References
    * 9 External links
To something like this:
    * 1 Variations and accessories
          o 1.1 Colors
          o 1.2 Camera and GPS
    * 2 Games
          o 2.1 Demos
          o 2.2 Greatest Hits titles
    * 3 Multimedia Playback          
    * 4 Wireless networking
          o 4.1 Internet Access
          o 4.2 Ad-hoc networks
          o 4.3 Infrastructure networks
          o 4.4 Gamesharing
          o 4.5 Infrared
          o 4.6 RSS feeds
    * 5 Design and specifications
          o 5.1 Technical specifications
          o 2.2 Controls
          o 5.2 Optical Drive
          o 5.3 Battery life
          o 5.4 Interface
          o 5.5 Firmware
          o 5.6 Firmware update history
                + 5.6.1 Sony firmware Editions
    * 6 Homebrew development
    * 7 Controversial advertising campaigns
    * 8 References
    * 9 External links
How about it? Mr toasty 22:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections... 

message: Should it be mentioned that a PSP appears in South Park.Themasterofwiki 18:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOuth Park PSP 

message: Hey, do you guys think it would be worthwhile to edit the technical specifications sections to a form more like the PS2's?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2#Technical_specifications
I think it's in paragraph form because the PS3 article is like that. As much as I prefer the way that it is in the ps2 article I'm too lazy to change it and it would only get someone started on changing it back. Mr toasty 03:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I think you've got the wrong forum for discussing the pros/cons of psp/ps2/dreamcast. --Oscarthecat 13:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Specifications 

message: The article got hit pretty hard by vandals for the past 2 hours. I cleared it up but none of those idiots have been warned. I might need to request this article be semi-protected. Anybody know how to do that? - Throw 04:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For help with dealing with vandalism check Wikipedia:Vandalism and to request protection Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ~~ AVTN T CVPS 12:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: What happened to the Firmware update history? I found that section quite useful. - Akadewboy 21:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because some idiot had a cry about it, so now its gone.--58.169.27.134 23:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I found it useful also, it should be reinstated. Atirage 05:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree also. I'll put it back in.--Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo 10:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new table looks good. - Throw 18:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 'A man in black' who keeps removing it. He's started many an argument with another user over this. He'll just remove it again, but I think it should stay. It certainly was helpful and relevant. --Thaddius 05:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If 'A man in black' removes it again we'll just have to reach a consensus. More than likely more people will want it there, so it'd stay by getting the most support. - Throw 05:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. If/when he removes again (last time was here), let's revert and invite him over here to discuss the pros/cons of the table.  There are other articles which make use of a software version history, such as iTunes version history, Mac OS history, History of Microsoft Windows. --Oscarthecat 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: BTW, Whoever did make that table gets a kudos from me. It looks great. --Thaddius 01:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks fella! --Oscarthecat 05:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Firmware update history

message: The system software versions listed here are all from writer Dark AleX; other custom system software releases exist but are not in widespread use.
If this table only lists Dark Alex firmwares, then shouldn't it be renamed to reflect that, and include a disclaimer to that effect, mentioning other firmwares as isolated and not widely used...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.189.158.20 (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence you quoted does just what you're asking. - Throw 16:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Party Software Editions 

message: I read on IGN that there is going to be a camera released in Europe called the Go! Camera developed by Sony. Does anyone know if this the same camera written in the article that was released in Japan? Also, does anyone know if it is planned for a release in America?Playstationdude 00:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's the same camera that was first released in Japan with the name changed. There hasn't been any word about an American release, which is a surprise; we're their biggest market. I guess they're throwing Euros a bone for always getting PSP games months after we do. - Throw 03:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go! Camera 

message: I presume the battery life in the article is based on the launch model psp units, do any of the newer models increase it in any noteable way.Atirage 12:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not aware of an increase in battery life. The specifications still look the same on paper. However, I have a PSP from launch time, and it routinely gets up to 8-10 hours of continuous play, even with Wi-Fi on.(Myscrnnm 21:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battery Life 

message: There should be a brief summary of the design of the system, and it's major features. I'm mentioning this because it's not even obvious what kind of media the games are on. I shouldn't have to go to "Technical Specifications" just to see that it uses UMD optical discs.
Maybe the "Design and Specifications" section should just be moved to the top of the article. --70.234.38.62 18:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the PSP does not have wireless chat like on the DS. The only thing that comes close is sending an e-mail through the web browser. - 75.40.65.196 10:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic Design and Features 

message: Why is controls under the games section? Seems much more suited to design and specifications section no?
I'm going to move it, but I wanted to post this here in case there's some greater reasoning I'm missing XD. Mr toasty 04:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controls Section 

message: I'm not going to be in long enough today to fix this, but the "New Version" section that's just been added is not only full of speculation, but is also ripped off almost entirely from the provided source. Just because you say where you plagiarized text from doesn't mean it isn't still plagiarism. The section is here, and the article that was ripped off is here. (I'd just delete it entirely, but I think someone rewording it would be less likely to get reverted. Bladestorm 18:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a quick rewrite, capturing the essence of the rumour.  Not spending too much time on it, as unsure whether it's even worth mentioning in the article - crystal ball gazing etc, no confirmation from Sony themselves. --Oscarthecat 21:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The rumor doesn't have any creditable sources. It does not need its own section. Maybe one line somewhere in the article. 203.158.60.149 19:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation and plagiarism 

message: The article says that the adverts with the white and black woman were only in the netherlands. But I have seen the adverts in England. It was quite a while ago, but there were definately adverts like these over here.62.136.219.186 11:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banned advertisements 

message: Can someone add also that the new PSP supports power charging from the USB port now?
:Maybe, but it should go in the PSP Redesign page, the PSP 2000 hasn't been released yet... Df747jet 05:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PSP Redesign

message: Is it really worth giving the second generation PSP its own article? It's the same machine at the end of the day, a few notes in the main article about the differences between the first and second generation editions will suffice. Marwood 18:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, well maybe your right. But the Nintendo DS Lite has it's own article too. Maybe we should make a link that is directed to the PSP redesign article if people want more info on it. Or we could just merge if others agree too. Let's see what everbody wants. Sjgerges 10:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't really an argument. I could point out that iPod Nano and iPod Shuffle don't have independent pages for their first and second generation models. Arguably, there is more difference between a first generation and second generation shuffle than there is between first and second generation PSP's. Perhaps Nintendo DS Lite should also be merged into Nintendo DS? Seriously, the new PSP is practically identical to the original. I really don't see how we can justify an entire article about it when two paragraphs or so on the differences between the first and second generation models would ably do the job. Marwood 14:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A separate section wouldn't cut it. If a merge is appropriate, the PSP-2000 series would have to be covered throughout the article. Coverage of colors, accessories, packages, battery life, specs (such as the amount of RAM and UMD drive performance) all would have to be rewritten to accommodate the new model. Dancter 15:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I think this article should be re-written to focus on the new model, including a section on the first generation model and how it differs. I expect that, increasingly, people will be coming to this page looking for information on the second generation model rather than the first. If we don't merge, then we should change the name of the article from "PSP Redesign"; it's hardly encyclopaedic. Perhaps "PlayStation Portable (2nd generation)" or "PlayStation Portable (2000 Series)".  Or maybe this page should be about PSP-2000 and "PlayStation Portable (1st generation)" created for the original model? Marwood 17:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then I think the best thing to do is to merge the articles and give the redesigned PSP it's own section/paragraph. Because I agree with Marwood that if people want information about the new PSP, they can find it right here and not look at the other article. I didn't even know there was a article on the PSP redesign until Marwood higlighted it. Besides these is a paragraph about the redesigned PSP already on this page. So i agree with the merger.Sjgerges 08:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed a Nintendo DS Lite comparison, though the Lite is actually quite a bit different from the original DS models. This redesign is not substantially different, and will only have the difference that the slim PlayStation2 models had from the original PlayStation2s. It's only slimmer and lighter, and in Japan, a few different colors, though merely slimmer and lighter isn't enough for an article. C. Foultz 09:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree.  The DS Lite, in terms of performance, is no different than the original.  The primary difference is the form factor and negligible battery life brought about by screen brightness options.  I would argue that the PSP redesign is similarly (in)significant.  Although the form factor has changed minimally, the internals are different (64 MB instead of 32 MB, different UMD loading mechanism, TV Out port, etc).  I believe we should be consistent between the DS and PSP articles, insomuch as console fanboys would complain.  If it is deemed that the PSP revision shouldn't get its own page, then neither should the DS Lite.  Kyouryuu 02:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the articles should stay the way they are, meaning in two, seperate articles, the original and the redesign. It's more convenient to read two articles than one huge article with two or more topics, even if they're related. A paragraph or so about the redesign and a nice link to the other article would be fine, just the way it is now.--84.131.92.186 12:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new PSP (dubbed Slim & Lite) should have it's own article.  It has a large amount of new features and updated specs.  I know that this supposedly isn't a valid arguement, but it is logical that, if the DS Lite, who's only improvements were form factor and brightness, gets an article, then the PSP Slim & Lite, who has additional RAM, TV Output, and a new UMD Drive, should get it's own.  I also believe the Redesign is notable enough for it's own article. AsunaNegi 21:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redesign article merger

message: Has there ever been any popstation content in this article, that has been removed by some zealot who didn't care for side effects of his actions, or is this just another case of 'let's link there and leave the blame to them for not mentioning it'? --217.232.235.69 16:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two definitions for "popstation", it could be the knockoff PSP that only plays one game: Popstation and there is "popstation" as in the slang word for the official PS1 emulator bundled with PSP OS 3.00 and above. Df747jet 05:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popstation article links here, but then there's nothing here about popstation 

message: Why is the "Interface" section under the "Redesign" title? It obviously doesn't belong there, as it's referring to the original PSP and not specifically to the redesigned version.--84.131.92.186 12:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interface Section 

message: Currently TA-082 and TA-079 redirect here yet are not discussed here.  Rather than add the details here, I think that this article is large enough to warrant a sub article PlayStation Portable hardware that focuses on the hardware, similar to PlayStation 3 hardware.  Some of the technical firmware details currently on PlayStation Portable homebrew could be part of the new hardware article. John Vandenberg 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hardware sub-article 

message: The technical mumbo-jumbo in this article is mind-boggling to an average reader who just wants to learn about the PSP and its capabilities/features.  I suggest slapping the technical tag on this article and revising it for improved readability for the general public.  66.140.63.217 18:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessively technical/confusing to laymen 

message: I noticed that the Wii page had a "reception" section, talking about people's opinions on that system. I think the PSP should have one too, mainly stating the system's faults(lack of game sales, porting all their best games to PS2 or PSN), do you think so?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.211.248.1 (talk) 22:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not supposed to put POV, original research, or unsourced stuff. 12.110.109.246 06:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but if you can cite criticism( and praise) to reputable outide sources, it can be added. --WikidSmaht (talk) 13:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critisism  

message: In addition to the aforementioned Reception section, I noticed that this article is missing any sales data whatesoever, despite the presence of such information in articles on most other modern consoles.( In fact, I searched the article for the word “sales” and found not a single instance thereof.) Can anyone remedy this? --WikidSmaht (talk) 13:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales?

message: This article makes no mention of the PSP Test Kit, as pictured here http://psp3d.xhardwarereviews.com/homepage-news/12557-official-sony-psp-development-tool-sale.html 86.137.185.244 20:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSP Test Kit 

message: The image at the top of the page has been changed to an image of the PSP-2000. Shouldn't it be an image of the PSP-1000? The PSP-2000 has its own page, and this is kind of like making the main image for the PlayStation 2 article a picture of the SCPH-70000.(Myscrnnm 05:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The PSP will soon have remote play, allowing it to play games in the PS3 anywhere in the world via WiFi, read it in Game Informer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartman0052007 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Features

message: 3.72 was released today, can someone add it, because some power-mad admin put a block on me 212.219.220.125 22:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Firmware 

message: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/11/27/new-psp-battery-and-covers-coming-soon/ Reportedly the same 20 % more battery life on PSP and 80 % more on the Slim. Oh and If I remember it will be released in December (basically a battery cover comes with battery to cover the old batteries that stick out) .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.87.42.171 (talk) 05:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New 2200 Mah battery for PSP Slim & Lite 

message: The article mentioned that the European store for PC downloads was opened on November 22.
There's no mention of it, but the North American version opened at the same time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LS650 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS Store for North America 

message: I've added some merge proposals for recently-created stubs for Go!-branded items. I'm not sure they really need a full-blown discussion, but I'm not sure when I can get around to actually performing them. Dancter 19:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Go!