Talk:Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs

message: Installation is handled by a PE, can be used for command prompt and remote desktop as well. Allows complete customisation within the installation, including removal of Internet Explorer (parts of it most likely) and Windows Media Player. The only part selected by default is IE. Partitioning is handled graphically rather than the Windows NT pre-Vista blue screen interface. Supports an "Unattended" XML file, rather than XP's INI-style unattended file.
Upon first boot, there is a "First Boot Agent" that handles all that the XP setup would normally do, including PNP and network configuration.
Tested also in VirtualBox, gets to blue screen with DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL error, after a pretty long installation.
Tatsh (talk) 18:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  To address the SP3 problem up there, the SP3 for FLP is a separate download.  It's slightly different from the XP SP3.  It is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=38764  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.173.224 (talk) 14:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences from Windows XP altogether

message: The article reads that hibernate is not supported/can't be enabled. This is not true. I'm running FLP on several machines and provided you have enough free space (atleast 1x the RAM size) you can enable and hibernate just fine, I have tested this and it works. Please see the screen shot of my XPize'd WinFLP install with working hibernation support here. I have edited the original article to reflect the reality e.g. hibernation being functional. Maybe others running WinFLP can confirm this. Thank you.
219.95.10.143 (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hibernate

message: Question: is that true that Windows Fundamentals (WinFLP) does supports games, as suggested in the article ? Many sources say it does not, so it is unclear.
By "Games", i'm not referring to card solitary games, but rather to full fledged and graphic-hungry DirectX9.0c games, such as UT2004, Oblivion and so on... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.65.70.192 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 9 January 2007
:Yes it supports DX9.0c, but if your hardware is ancient, the game won't magically play just because you install this. Also, if you want to use the Joystick calibration applet, you have to acquire joy.cpl from elsewhere. - WeniWidiWiki 23:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reason he is asking is because he is considering it for the memory/ram usage savings, for gaming. 66.215.12.70 (talk) 01:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have FLP installed on my computer, and can play new games just fine (Oblivion etc). --83.248.146.115 (talk) 05:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Games

message: Question: how does one obtain this operating system? there seems to be no opportunity to purchase or download WFLPC anywhere.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Magic.dominic (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 April 2007
:Per the article: "It is exclusively available to Software Assurance customers."  I suspect we might want to make the article clearer on this point.  —DragonHawk (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was leaked on P2P networks three weeks after its official release. But be aware that it is illegal to get it from there.--87.122.10.198 08:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "But be aware that it is illegal to get it from "  -- "If they're going to steal, we want them to steal ours" - Bill Gates circa 1998.  Microsoft's greatest fear is that you try alternatives like Linux and like them.  Note that this doesn't mean I am saying that you should steal FLP, but Microsoft's view is that "at least you're not using that other stuff."  Microsoft is well aware that copyright infringement distorts the market in favor of the incumbents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.173.224 (talk) 14:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Obtaining WinFLP

message: I'm also having trouble with null.sys, but with Apache.
I can't start the apache server and this is put in error.log:
 [crit] (OS 2)The system cannot find the file specified.  : Parent: Unable to connect child stdout to NUL.
 [crit] (OS 2)The system cannot find the file specified.  : master_main: create child process failed. Exiting.
I'm not able to find any information on how to install null.sys, I have obtained a null.sys from my other computer, and it won't work if I put it in \windows\system32\drivers either. Apparently you need a .inf file to install .sys files somehow.
Have anyone found information on how to install null.sys properly?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by ReCover (talk • contribs) 06:48, 16 August 2007
:Talk pages are not intended to be used for tech support.  You might try the reference desk. —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 20:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NULL.SYS 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Flp logo.png

message: Can Windows fundamentals be installed alongside WinXP as a separate operating system, available upon boot?
Also, do we have any benchmarks on the relative performance of FLP, compared to XP? It is all well and good claiming to have "cut the bloat" and "slimmed the os down", but shouldn't we have palpable evidence to that effect? What kind of improvement can we expect for system boot-up over XP. Or for typical Office2003 usage? Web surfing, etc? Hasn't anyone benchmarked FLP (on modern and legacy systems alike) to discover whether the hype holds? 84.254.12.174 (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that you can install WinFLP alongside other versions of Windows, although you can only buy it through Software Assurance. The system requirements are "similar to Windows XP", so I doubt that you'd see a huge performance gain. — Wenli (reply here) 18:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance, dual boot with standard Windows XP 

message: It should be noted somewhere that while the requirements are similar to XP, WinFLP runs NOTHING like XP with the minimums met.  WinFLP is at least twice as fast on the same hardware, mainly due to WinFLPs low memory usage and the fact that it is XP embedded at its core.
99.10.16.150 (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardware Requirements 

message: When installing Windows FLP on a system whose storage controller requires drivers that are not included in Windows, the installation procedure is different from Windows XP. The drivers need to be supplied in two distinct ways during installation: 1) During the first startup of the installation, the F6 button must be pressed at the appropriate prompt and a floppy disk with the drivers must be supplied; 2) The drivers must be included on the installation CD. In addition, the utility InfImporter.exe (included with the Windows FLP package) is used to create an XML file named driverinstall.xml that is parsed during a later part of the installation.--Alban (talk) 22:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional storage drivers 

message: This article reads that WinFLP does not have support for such major Windows applications such as .NET Framework 3.5. This is untrue. I have been able to install .NET Framework 3.5 on all of the machines I have running WinFLP (which is quite a few) and have been able to use such programs as Paint.NET and even Visual basic 2008-created programs using .NET with no problems.
The article also reads that WinFLP includes DirectX. Although this is true, it is a crippled version from 2005. it should be noted someplace about this, and that users are urged to upgrade to the latest stable version (currently at the time of this writing, the August 2009 release)as soon as possible.
As a longtime user of FLP, I can also safely say that there isn't much of a difference between the application support on a standard Windows XP machine as there is on WinFLP. you just need to add in the few files Microsoft took out (I.E. Null.sys, mspaint.exe, joy.cpl to name a few) and you should be alright. These can be, as has been explained in the SP3 discussion topic above, found mostly in the i386 folder in the mentioned directory after the SP3 install.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.245.197 (talk) 06:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Application Support 

message: nLite should be mentioned in the article as an alternative to FLP. It can be used to decrease the size and memory requirements of any NT 5 family OS, including XP, deploying images containing only the needed features, and potentially achieving more compact systems than FLP if using Windows 2000 as the base, which does not contain as many UI graphics, such as icons, that cannot be fully unloaded from memory. -- J7n (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong oppose: Hi. Mentioning nLite is against Wikipedia policy of WP:NOTADVERT. (They only case in which it is possible is when several independent sources have compared them. nLite can become a "See also" item.) That aside, mentioning nLite in this article is like mentioning Spacecraft in Tomato article. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative "Software Remastering" methods: nLite