Talk:Kyoto

message: It seems very strange to me to group these two together. Also I think most people would think of the great gardens of Kyoto as being many located in temples or in particular those designated as "Special Places of Scenic Beauty" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_garden Whats up skip (talk) 23:57, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Museums and gardens

message: * Is the Byodoin really the oldest wooden building in the world?  It dates from around 1052, and as far as I know, the Horyuji in Nara to the south is much older.
Also, Nanshu, calling Kyoto the "third target" is itself somewhat of an urban legend.  I don't know where it developed (I myself first read it in a book on old Kyoto buildings by Keiko Aso), but the US only had two nuclear bombs in August 1945, and were months from having a third one.  Kyoto's heritage certainly played a part in it not being one of the "finalists" for the actual nuclear bomb drops, even it it had been considered previously.
Recently I've been meeting people who have latched onto this "Kyoto was the third nuke target" with such fervor -- "See!  Those Americans *are* evil after all!  That supposed kindness in saving Kyoto was all a hoax!"  I suspect the latest wave of anti-American hysteria is enough to distract people from evidence to the contrary.  ----Heian-794 01:22, 7 Jan 2005
: Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki does a pretty good job of explaining Kyoto's place on the list of cities to be atomic bombed. It's worth noting here that Nagasaki was the actual "third target," since Kokura was scheduled for destruction that day, but spared due to poor visibility when the second atomic bombing crew made their flight. --Carl 05:32, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Byodoin

message: Some of the material in Kyoto Prefecture seems like it should be in Kyoto, particularly most, if not all, of the History section and the Tourism section, and perhaps the Culture section.  Granted, this would leave Kyoto Prefecture somewhat of a stub. Nik42 06:13, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Since Kyoto links to Kyoto city, not prefecture, all that information should be in the city page. The prefecture page should contain only information about the prefecture as modern administrative unit. --Carl 12:22, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving material? 

message: I know that what the article currently gives is entirely correct, but I've seen the name represented as "京の都" (actually just in Samurai I : Musashi Miyamoto). What's with that? Should we mention it?
:The same name appears in lots of jidaigeki. I suppose one could mention it somewhere. There's also of course just plain kyo. Fg2 10:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Kyo, Miyako and Kyo no Miyako.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 05:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Japanese? 

message: Kyoto City Web site has both figures for the area of Kyoto: 610.22 and 827.90 km². Japanese Wikipedia :ja:利用者:Sprinkler changed the Japanese Wikipedia from the smaller to the larger number on April 4, 2005. Does anyone know the reason for the discrepancy? Fg2 04:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I guess the city only partially updated its English page. That solves the mystery. Fg2 08:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area of Kyoto 

message: I'm having trouble listening to the ogg files using vlc. I don't know whether this is a bug of VLC or the sound files. I can only hear part of the file. The first part is lost.
In Ja-Kyotoo.ogg, I can only hear "to", in Ja-Tokyo.ogg, I can only hear "okyo".
Can someone confirm that the soundfiles are ok? Should this be reported as a bug to VLC?
:Kyoto works for me using Winamp. Fg2 21:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ogg sound 

message: Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). --Polaron | Talk 08:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese city article naming debate 

message: I have changed the sentence claiming that the Japanese pronunciation has two syllables (kyo-to) to indicate that it in fact has three - きょ・う・と (kyo-u-to). But I don't understand IPA, so I need someone else to fix the IPA that comes after that sentence. Please. Thank you. LordAmeth 16:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi LordAmeth, actually, Kyoto consists of two syllables, one long and one short (きょう being the long one, naturally). The う is not pronounced as a separate vowel/syllable, only as an extension of the "o" in "kyo". Mackan 19:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, every mora in Japanese, that is, every kana, is pronounced as a separate syllable. LordAmeth 21:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... no..? I'm not trying to be rude, but that's not true. There are short and long vowels in Japanese. A quick search on google will give you many results indicating this, for example . Mackan 21:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I, too, apologize if I come across as obnoxious, but as an MA student in Japanese Studies, in his fifth year of studying the language... I'm afraid that I'm right. They sometimes describe them as "long vowels" in early classes to help understand the concept, but they are still separate mora. That is, each kana is meant to take the same time, the same number of "beats", to pronounce. I guess it sort of depends on one's concept of the meaning of "syllable". LordAmeth 22:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be a small misunderstanding here. I know each mora is meant to take the same time, as I too am a long term student of the Japanese language. I've also studied linguistics at UCL. A mora is however not the same as a syllable. "いい", "ii", may have two kana/moras but is definately one syllable and would in IPA be denoted (approx, can't be bothered to find the proper code) /i:/. Am I making any sense to you?Mackan 08:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: From Mora (linguistics): "For example, haiku in modern Japanese do not follow the pattern 5 syllables/7 syllables/5 syllables, as commonly believed, but rather the pattern 5 moras/7 moras/5 moras". Mackan 08:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that's fine. I've never studied linguistics, and if you say it's 2 syllables, that's fine with me. No need to quibble over something so minor. Just wanted to make sure that understanding about the moras was there. Sorry for causing trouble. LordAmeth 12:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None caused at all.Mackan 12:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syllables 

message: In the spring semester of 2006, I participated in the study abroad program for the Kyoto Consortium for Japanese Studies, which at the time was called the Kyoto Center for Japanese Studies. It was housed within the Stanford Japan Center, next to the Kyoto City Zoo, and was administered by Stanford University.
Now, my impression was that from the 2007 academic year onward, the program came under the administration of Columbia University and moved to its present location at Kyodai Kaikan, but I hadn't heard anything about the Stanford Japan Center continuing on as a separate entity. If someone could clarify and/or confirm the current status of the SJC, I would be grateful. --Julian Grybowski 05:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied the words "KCJS and Stanford Japan Center" (without the quotation marks) into the Google search box and up came this link. Does the page answer your question?  Fg2 06:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KCJS and Stanford Japan Center: separate institutions? 

message: Currently there are several external links that don't seem to offer much or only offer what is found in some of the other links. 
http://picturetokyo.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=41 only has a few images with no or little descriptive information. I think this should be removed.
http://www.taleofgenji.org/japanese_temples.html has some very good information and the pictures are ok. I think this should be retained.
http://www.kyotoview.com/ has some really good pictures, but it poorly structured and has few if any descriptions. I think this should be removed as it is not a really great site.
http://www.artofjpn.com/kyoto/index.html has a good range of locations, very good descriptions and good pictures. I think it should stay.
http://www.allaboutkyoto.com/ should be removed as it does really seem to offer anything new.
http://www.japaneselifestyle.com.au/travel/kyoto_map.htm Good detailed maps are hard to come by, but this is better than any other online maps I have seen of Kyoto. I do wonder if the link should be directly to the site's Kyoto page http://www.japaneselifestyle.com.au/travel/kyoto.htm as there is a fair amount of information and over 1,000 pictures of Kyoto.
http://homepage.mac.com/japanpodguides/index.html I haven't had time to review this site.
http://www.city.kyoto.jp/koho/index_e.html Is the official site and should stay.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto This really isn't a great article as wikitravel goes. Much of it is covered in Wikipedia. I think we should review the continued existance of this link.
I notice the detail from the notes section has repeated again under the external links section.
Should the "external links" section be above the "further reading" and "notes" sections? It seems strange where it is.
Whats up skip 11:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links - Quality and Revision 

message: The OGG audio file at the top of the page that is meant to show the pronunciation of Kyoto is clipped and unintelligible.
TNCMYRK 19:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that it is a reading of kyōto-shi and the page makes no overt reference to shi, which would likely be confusing to the average English reader. Bendono (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Fg2 (talk) 01:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio pronunciation file 

message: It's rather controversial in the map on the top right to call it the Sea of Japan as the Japanese and Koreans have been embroiled in debates about it for a long time now.
At the very least, a more non-partisan map should be chosen for integrity's sake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiboy (talk • contribs) 06:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sea of Japan Controversy 

message: Took out line regarding petting of the Monkeys. I Have visited this park in the last 3 months and it is forbidden to touch them. The only place you are able to feed them is through a steel caged building (already mentioned). On side note - the Monkeys also stole my water bottle and cigarettes from my bag - they are evil things!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.55.96 (talk) 14:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iwatayama monkey park 

message: What food do people that live in Kyoto eat and is it good or bad?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.166.14 (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food 

message: This is a major city, and thus needs a montage, which many Japanese cities already have.--RM (Be my friend) 21:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montage 

message: Hi! shouldn't the subjected info be mentioned, or at least cross-referenced in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.63.185.204 (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_of_Japan contraversy 

message: I will remove some less notable or unsourced events from the list and put them here. Feelfree to discuss. I have rough criteria in mind, but typing them would be too long. The years are missing from the copied elements.
* Kyoto Daimaru Departmentstore (Karasuma)
* Kyoto Takashimaya Departmentstore (Kawaramachi)
* Kyoto Isetan Departmentstore (Kyoto Station}
* Daimaru Departmentstore (Yamashina)
* Takashimaya Departmentstore (Rakusai Newtown)
* Kintetsu Departmentstore (Rokujizo)
* Fujii Daimaru
* Aeon Shoppingmall Kyoto Station
* Aeon Shoppingmall Kyoto Hana
* Aeon Shoppingmall Kyoto Family
* Avanti Kyoto Station
* Porta Underground Shoppingmall (Kyoto Station)
* OIOI (Marui) Kyoto Kawaramachi
* OPA Kyoto Kawaramachi
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.23.5.48 (talk) 23:15, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Departmentstore and Shoppingmall

message: "The history of Kyoto have allowed to retain a variety of vegetables."
what??
It is kinda weird how Tokyo and Kyoto were both capitals consisting of the Same exact letters (Kinda like on Naruto..Tobi/Obito - TobiTobi
The current article lists the population of Kyoto (city) as 74,927,181 per the 2011 census. Nearly 75 million? It is actually closer to 2,542,740, per the 2012 census.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.128.12 (talk) 07:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted a recent vandalism. Thanks for the heads-up.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: What?

message: To me it seems that the second half of the lead ("Kyoto is a beautiful city, from lakeside Biwako in the north-east, to the confluence at National Rt. 81. With temples, parks, bustling business districts, markets, from regal estates to the tightly-packed neighborhoods, Kyoto is one of the oldest and most famous of Asian metropolae.") is a little non-neutral (e.g. talking about Kyoto's beauty as a fact rather than being in the eye of the beholder). To me it reads like promotional material from someone trying to encourage people to visit. I'd fix it myself but I'm not knowledgeable enough to do it properly, so could someone else please do so? Alphathon  (talk) 19:27, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-NPOV in lead 

message: The romanization for the Kyoto's old name is a little off. 『みやこ』 should be romanized as Miyako, not Meaco.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.36.156.235 (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaco? 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Kyoto]] 

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message: , I don't know what your obsession with the special bromance between Paris and Rome is, but it is irrelevant to other cities such as Tokyo and Kyoto. What I do know is that your edits are edit warring; once you are reverted once you can't keep hammering changes until you get your way. The sources make it clear that Kyoto and Paris are sister cities. Maybe not "super special exclusive twins since a long time ago", but they are sisters nonetheless. By way of analogy, my best friend has a twin sister and also has two other sisters. He might have a special relationship with his twin, but that does not reduce the "sister" status he shares with his other sisters. Surely you can see this analogy applies to sister cities also. So I invite you to put Paris back in the "sister city" list. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:45, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no "obsession" than the one to obey to the facts instead of unjustified interpretations. Your anolgy is useless and wrong. The official statements by the authorities of Paris (most current ones, see reference) and Rome are very clear and undisputable. Perhaps it is a lost-in-translation (every relation is called a sister city relation?)? Whatever, it does not change the facts that Paris and Rome do not have any other twin/sister cities relationships, until nowadays. Besides, all other city partners of Paris and Rome accept this fact – except for Tokyo and Kyoto? -- ZH8000 (talk) 10:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You say only Tokyo and Kyoto were "unjustified interpretations"? Well, the only reason you can say other cities "accept the fact" is because you've been busy removing mention of Paris and/or Rome from the articles on Seoul, Jakarta and  Beijing. Did the editors of those articles have translation problems too? What was "lost in translation" about the London entry? It just so happens that I had the two Japanese cities watchlisted and noticed what you are up to. I see that you attempted putting some sort of clarification in the Berlin article also, but  undid that edit. So don't try to make this a problem about the Japanese government misunderstanding when you have been clearing out the articles on all the major cities in the world. I've now noticed this a wide-spread problem you've cause, so will have to find the appropriate place to start a wide discussion. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister city 

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message: Tell me stuff  to do in Kyoto.
Please! 49.181.45.53 (talk) 05:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyoto attractions