Talk:Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2/Archive 4

message: Just a heads up, I archived the page. Sasuke-kun27 01:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived 

message: I removed the comment about "possibly accessing a special menu" for transformations.  The word "possibly" is a good indicator of speculation.  Also, it was pretty clear to me in the video that was linked that the menu the player accessed was actually the skills list for Goku.  CPitt76 16:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe I used the word probable. But still, why would transformations take so long unless you had to enter in a button sequence or the game is extremely laggish, which is highly unlikely.
EDIT: Also, Current event marker This article or section contains information about a computer or video game under development.
It is likely to contain information of a speculative nature, and the content may change dramatically as the game's release approaches and more information becomes available.
This article is allowed speculation. Blindman shady 01:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, no article is "allowed" speculation. Sasuke-kun27 01:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, Sasuke.  Speculation is not allowed.  You are allowed to include info from reputable outside sources.  Since the game is still in development, even those reputable sources sometimes print info of a "speculative nature" (gaming mags, for example).  That's what the marker is there for.  We are not allowed to input our own speculation.  You are right Blindman, you did use the word probable.  Didn't mean to misquote you, I apologize.  Regarding the transformation, I'm not sure what you mean about it taking so long.  In the youtube video, all the transformations occurred without the menu except for the one from SS3 to regular goku (as soon as the player built up their ki gauges).  It looks to me like the player didn't know how to go from SS3 to regular goku and checked the skills list.  Once he did that, he was able to do the transformation.   CPitt76 02:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's exactly what I meant! You activate the transformation screen where it looks like they are powering up. Then it seems to take 4-5 seconds to do the trasformation, I think that's when you enter in the button sequence to be SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, or Normal. If you still don't understand, just say so. Blindman shady 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see what you meant now.  But your original edit was a bit confusing.  Saying "you activate the transformation screen" (and linking a video where the player brings up the skills screen) makes it sound like you're bringing up a different screen not just doing the proper button input to make the transformation.  In any event, it doesn't really matter.  Either way, it's speculation and can't be included in the article without a source.  CPitt76 03:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it sound possible, I mean, why would the wait be like 2-3 seconds. I liked it better when the game didn't stop for tranformations and you still saw your opponent. Blindman shady 03:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it's possible, though I don't think it's the case.  If you can cite a source, we can put it back in the article.  CPitt76 00:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transformations

message: I'm thinking about putting a table in this article similar to the one that was done in the Marvel Ultimate Alliance article.  It looks a little better than just listing the playable characters.  There'd be two secions, recurring characters and new characters, similar to what's already there.  Any objections?  I also think we should put the "Fake Characters" section after the "Playable Characters" section, since the playable characters are more important to the game than the rumors.  Let me know what you guys think.  CPitt76 02:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I love it but I think the rumors need to be nearer to the top so any that come here don't have to scroll to the bottom that says specifically not to mess with the article just because they think Ledgic or Androids 14 & 15 are in-game. Blindman shady 02:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Blindman shady about the Fake Characters section. That's part of why I put it there when I wrote it.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 22:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Make the freakin' table, we like it. Blindman shady 03:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, haven't been on in a few days.  I'll put it in tomorrow.  I'll leave the fake character section where it is.  CPitt76 23:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Playable Characters

message: The characters table only has 129 characters on it.  I haven't seen any citation for the 130 number that appears on the page.  And this link provided by Sasuke is a Japanese commercial for the game.  Towards the end, the number 129 flashes across the screen with some Japanese text.  Can anyone verify there's 130+ characters?  CPitt76 16:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go back and count, there's only 129 characters (including transformations). Sasuke-kun27 22:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that more or less than the last one? I can't remember...--Suit-n-tieWhat Have I Done?!  22:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's much more than the last game.  I've made the change in the article to reflect 129 characters, not 130.  CPitt76 23:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That page lists a Great Ape version of Kid Gohan, this one doesn't.  I think that's the difference.  They're also listing a Great Ape version of Kid Goku, but I think that might be what we have as just Great Ape on this page.  CPitt76 19:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was referring to the Spanish page in the above comment. CPitt76 19:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of Characters

message: According to many people who have their grubby hands on the demo claim that you need only press R3 to tranform, should we add this to the wiki? 
Blindman shady 22:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OR.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 22:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Click it. WP:OR says that original research is not allowed. Un-specified people "claiming" things is original research, because it is not verifiable. It isn't even verifiable that they have the demo to begin with.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 22:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  Needs to be cited from a reputable source before we can add it.  CPitt76 23:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transformations