Talk:R32 (New York City Subway car)

message: I have proposed merging the R32A article with this one, as there is virtually no difference. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: I just clicked on the R32A link and was redirected right back to the R32 page. Since the article no longer exists, it's pretty pointless to keep the merger proposal on the page. I'm not going to delete it just yet to spare myself from some scolding on my talk page. I just wanted to see your opinion on the issue before (and if) I do anything. Thanks!
-Fan Railer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fan Railer (talk • contribs) 22:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  R32A no longer exists. 

message: An editor continues to revert or water down a paragraph I added here sourced to the recent New York Times article, "For the C Train’s Rickety and Rackety Cars, Retirement Will Have to Wait.". If there's a further difference of opinion on use of this source it should be discussed here, not in the edit summary. In my view, the facts contained in this article need to be fully reflected in this article, especially since it otherwise consists almost entirely of technical details of little value to anyone except a train buff. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Times article on C train service

message: At New York City Transit Forums, several users who happen to be official members of the New York Transit Authority have been hearing and officially saying that the R32s will not be switched over to the A nor nearly half of its R46s will be switched over to the C (making it 100% of those) despite the Rockaways getting their fully restored service back. I think its fair to follow what the transit employees are saying in the forums. Why not? JoesphBarbaro (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Summer Swap on the A/C has been confirmed to not happen 

message: I know this is from the NYT article, but shouldn't it be six (R36, 38, 40, 42, 44 and 110). I am assuming the NYT wasn't counting the R110s as a proper car class, but technically they were built and retired (long) after the R32s had been introduced. Thoughts?Avman89 (talk) 07:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:   Five other car types built after them have been mostly or completely retired. 

message: They have long been in the class of older rolling stock, but recently they've passed several other contenders and may now be the oldest operating cars in regular service anywhere. The Lo-V (New York City Subway car)s had a span of about 52 years, a line in England for about 50, Buenos Aires of course had the 100 year old wooden cars (now retired), a record which may never be matched, and even Boston has no heavy rail cars this old. SEPTA Route 15 is a stretch to count, for one thing it's a streetcar, additionally they were refurbished at over one million dollars each which is comparable to the cost of a new vehicle. Once so many things have been rebuilt or replaced, it's not fair to go by the year of origin. Strictly in terms of subways, I'm pretty sure the R32s have got the record, but when you expand for other rail transit types, it gets a little more grey. It's hard to imagine they will be in service for at least eight more years (2022), with the reputation they already have. By then they may also have the record of the longest lasting NYC Subway rolling stock ever. This is why I mentioned the long retired Low-Vs, because they are a non-R train that the R32s have surpassed. B137 (talk) 22:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the R32s are currently the oldest rolling stock used in any subway system in the country, and maybe one of the oldest in the world. I can't say anything about the other rolling stock, though. The R32s have been in service for 51 years so far, and by the time they retire, they'll be 58.Incidentally, London Underground 1972 Stock, London's oldest rolling stock, will be 55 when it retires. I guess bigger rapid transit systems use their rolling stock for longer (except Tokyo Metro and Seoul Metropolitan Subway, whose stock gets replaced after 25-30 years on average). Epic Genius (talk) 01:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm seem to be no obvious contenders. Too crystal ballish to consider the London stock for now. Both are a long way from retirement and dates could change (e.g. I could imagine an emergency order to replace sooner if they became horrendously unreliable). As far as the NYC system goes, the article states that 51 years is the "longest for any R-type car." So what are some pre-IND cars to be in regular service longer? B137 (talk) 22:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like 2022 was removed without mention as the new plan is for enough R179s to replace them all several years earlier. B137 (talk) 03:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So final retirement for about 120 remaining R32s (about have of the 220 in service now), has been set at 2019, when they'll be 55 years old. Looks like they are undergoing a final renovation to push them through the past few years. B137 (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Not the oldest in the world. Paris is operating older MP59 cars on the 11, and Berlin is operating older A3E and D class cars on their U-bahn as well. While both classes were built at roughly the same time as the R32, I believe currently active cars from each were in service prior to the R32s. Pyongyang's D class cars date from the 1950s. Some active former soviet E class cars also date from the early 1960s too.  MrLincoln (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest 

message: Since it seems the R179s will replace the R42s first, the R32s will be the only 60s cars left, if they go first, and will be older than at least 5 other new car types that have been fully retired. Will some R32s still have to wait for the R211s? Because it seems the R179s are in fact replacing R32s. B137 (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: R42 retirement first?

message: The C train is still running trains that debuted in 1964, the oldest of any subway system on the planet
NYC subway ridership dropped for the second straight year in 2017
The C train has the oldest running subway cars in the world
B137 (talk) 14:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the oldest in the world. Paris is operating older MP59 cars on the 11, and Berlin is operating older A3E and D class cars on their U-bahn as well. While both classes were built at roughly the same time as the R32, I believe currently active cars from each were in service prior to the R32s. Pyongyang's D class cars date from the 1950s. Some active former soviet E class cars also date from the early 1960s too.  MrLincoln (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref for world's oldest

message: They are also used at least in the background on the promotional image from the recent Spider Man Homecoming movie. B137 (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Add official retirement year of 2022 per https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2019/06/22/r32-brightliners-tour-oldest-trains-in-the-mta-feet-older-than-the-mta?cid=share_fb&fbclid=IwAR1u8nSkiHMHvJ5a0euyvE8hL0tdM27AcE1CndljDrPD_ki0CSNzPamr2Uw 68.194.117.152 (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: The MTA has been delaying retirement for years.  WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL.  Retirement in 2022 may be delayed again. Orville1974talk 02:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2019 

message: Well i guess today is a very bad day for the MTA. The r32 is not being retired by the r211 but instead being retired by the r179. Also according to the r179 article, the r32 is being replaced by March 2020, which was totally unexpected because I thought they would be retired by 2022, along with the r44 and r46. Can somebody verify if this is true or not?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eti15TrSf (talk • contribs) 00:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  R32 retirement in the first or second quarter of 2020 

message: If there are 600 built, 74 in service, 8 preserved, and 360 scrapped, aren't there 158 trains unaccounted for? SportsFan007 (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of trains 

message: Does anyone know if there will be a final run for the R32. Even though they are temporarily out of service because of the single cab and COVID-19 precautions. I know they are still on property since I saw quite a bit of them at 207 yard recently. 24.104.250.197 (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your answer, they last ran on March 23, 2020, when they last ran some trips on the A and C. They have not been seen after that date, since the COVID 19 service reductions that suspended the (C) line entirely. That's as far as we all know my friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:610b:4600:a173:de34:fcac:f073 (talk • contribs) 
Well, here's the sad news about the requiem for the R32's we were all waiting for http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1542790
Sorry folks, it appears that their days are over for now, so don't kill the messenger bringing you this sad news.
Enjoy what you have now, and y'all be well & be safe out there, because with the way thing are presently there may not be a final ceremonial trip with the R32's.....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:610B:4600:4DFF:953:C7B5:5F5A (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  R32 final run 

message: The R32 (J)/<Z> train's are back now due to a R179 lemon train issue. Should the Infobox have a R32 J train instead of an R32 A train? Eti15TrSf (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  R32 J train 

message: The Paris MP59 will be retired next year, the German U5 and U55 line will be connected this year to re-retire the Class D stock, and the Japanese 500 cars in Argentina are exiting service somewhat at least, and most if not all of these have been greatly refurbished, where R32s had one normal overhaul. Also the Paris cars are rubber tyre. 
If the R179 turn into true lemons and don't come into service by next year, it might revert once again to the R32's not being fully retired until the R211 come out in 2022 or so. 50.48.171.95 (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , stop dreaming that the R32 will become the oldest subway car or that they will be retired by the R211s. You have not cited any sources to prove your points. If the R179s do get replaced, then it will show the R179 replacing the R32 and R211 replacing the R179. Stop thinking the R32s will win some sort of world record because soon the R179 will come back to service and replace the R32s. Eti15TrSf (talk) 01:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The R179s likely won't get thrown away, but if they are out of service long enough, some 211s might come in first I meant. And within the next year, all three cited older rolling stock are getting replaced. So they might briefly make it, but will never be the oldest ever because Argentina used to have wooden rolling stock that was literally 100 years old until recently. 50.48.171.95 (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , checked all articles, retirement is never mentioned. The R32 will never be the oldest stock that is in service. Cite your sources to prove that these trains will all be crushed by 2021. Eti15TrSf (talk) 04:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Rubber tired as well but it was in another article. MP_14_(Paris_M%C3%A9tro)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.48.171.95 (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess what,  I checked fr:MP 14, and it says will replace the MP 59 from 2022, which does not mean they will all be gone from 2021. Eti15TrSf (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest subways running 

message: Aside from the units saved by NYTM and RPC, there seem to be at least 8 other cars (4 pairs) used for public excursion trips time to time. Should we include these cars in the "preservation" section? 199.98.31.165 (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   These seem to be part of the pairs used on the final run back in January 2022. I heard the pairs used on the parade and excursion in the Rockaways were used for movie shoots, since they have the older M logo. There are also statements that claim 3360-3361 are being saved. Right now, we are waiting for official sources to confirm that these pairs are indeed being saved; you never know whether or not the cars used recently are indeed being saved or are being removed for scrapping at a later date. Davidng913 (talk) 17:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The roster on nycsubway org seems to have been updated recently, and it lists 6/8 of the cars on the last run as being preserved or active. Unsure if that warrants listing more cars as saved. Mtattrain (talk) 02:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  We will have to see. If the legend is correct, 3646-3647, 3828-3829, 3888-3889, and 3894-3895 may be saved along with 3360-3361, which I'm sure will be kept. 3698 is also reported as saved upon being purchased by a private owner. This leaves 15 cars preserved (or 17 counting the training cars), of which fourteen are in the museum fleet, shared between the NY Transit Museum and Railway Preservation Corp. In addition, the roster also seems to point out that some R32s are still in work service, although I'm not sure if that changed. --Davidng913 (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the work service part is wrong empirically, so maybe nycsubway org isn't the best to count on. Mtattrain (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  recent video from DJ Hammers shows that 3646-3647, 3828-3829, 3888-3889, and 3894-3895 are running for a movie train. They also had security cameras installed recently. Maybe that will confirm that they are indeed being saved. Davidng913 (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't hear about security cameras on the non NYTM units. Mtattrain (talk) 01:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional cars used for Museum excursions