Talk:Ojamajo Doremi/Archive 1

message: Shouldn't we have a seperate page for the English dub? It's very different from the original, and I just can't find a place in the article to put a section on the English dub.
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Not a separate page.. Maybe we can describe the characteristics of the dub in a section, but this must be written with the names of the characters in the dub as this is the English Wikipedia. WhisperToMe 12:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate English page

message: After reading up some on the dub Doremi I am wondering how much 4Kids knows about Doremi. It's just that the girls and the fairies have a name pattern now (Dorie - Dodo, Reanne - ReaRea, Mirabelle - MiMi) so I don't know if they relised that Pop (Caitlyn) becomes a witch later in the show with a fairy called FaFa so wouldn't it be better to call her name begining with Fa? Like Faith, Fay, or perhaps Farrah? That said Lala's name was changed to Lorelei and Majorika's to Patina and they don't match (also Lorelei doesn't have the octave pun in her name) but it will be silly if Caitlyn ends up with a fairy named CaCa. (Yes I also posted this over at http://mmpu.smuncensored.com/forums/) GracieLizzie 16:44, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dub Name Musings 

message: It is confusing that both parenthesized original terms and bare original terms exist in one article. Isn't there improvement method? --Kasuga 11:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment to Original Terms 

message: Please see the debates above for more info, then vote. Votes will be counted by the end of the month and then the article will be changed or kept the same accordingly. The vote is now closed, due to the month ending, a seeming majority, and ineptness. It'll be kept here for further discussion, however.
For Dub Names and Titles:
# WhisperToMe 04:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Characters should be called what the series officially states their romaji names as. If that does not exist, use what they are named in the most recent or popular English translation, if it exists, isn't egregiously bad, and is the generally-used name (a google test is appropriate here). Otherwise, use a literal transliteration.
Next, why not just called the article Doremi. Have Ojamajo Doremi, Magical Doremi and Magical DoReMi redirect to it. It satisfies both arguments. The OVAs, Movies and Na-i-sho which all contain doremi in their title will also match easily in a search for them. They don't have their own pages yet, they need to link here easily.
I'd also like to point out that the page reads terribly, there is no flow at all in the story section because every time a name is mentioned, the alternate language name is placed in brackets, breaking up the sentence. Then most of this information is repeated in the very badly formatted characters section anyway. 
So what I propose is this: 
*Follow the above stated guideline and in the story section use japanese names only.
*The character section does not have to be triple indented, it looks horrible, reads terribly and makes the bottom half of the page, which is just a big list, too long. Take a look at this page Yu-Gi-Oh! main characters. That would be a good way to set out the character's names. 
*If you were looking for a specific character, where would you look? Maybe the Rusty Broom and Witch's Land section should be called main characters and have subsections so that the said main characters show up in the table of contents. "Other Humans" should be called Minor Characters.
- Squilibob 15:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Further Discussion and Closed Vote

message: In light of all the name disputes, I have moved everything to do with the Japanese version to it's own page Doremi. Because the english version and japanese versions have their own pages, the difference wont have to be justified every time there is a name reference. Now that the japanese version does not have weight on this page, all american names should be used. Anyone looking for the american version should not have to be constantly reminded that there is a japanese version. Anyone who blanks this page or redirects it to the japanese page will be treated as a vandal. If you have content to add that is only american, add it to this page and that goes for japanese content on Doremi. I hope that this finally satisfies WhisperToMe and Amina. If not, then we need to use the Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal. This should have been done when it was first suggested. I hope to see no Edit Wars and no name disputes on this page in future. I'm just trying to find a solution to this problem and I hope this is the correct way to finally end this. - Squilibob 08:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Yup this article needs some cleanup and it can go into more depth about the americanization of the series without the POV problems of before. - Squilibob 01:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty, is there anything in particular I should clean up first? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just don't want to do anything to mess it up. ^^;; Amina 06:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically where there is no direct reference to the japanese version, all japanese text should be taken out. There is still instances of Doremi, Hadzuki and Aiko in there. The minor characters section has all japanese names except for people like Todd. So those should go. I'm now treating this article as something a young american who watches cartoons would be viewing and the Ojamajo Doremi article as something someone with a good understanding of anime would view. I have a few plans for the other page, particularly fleshing out the Na-i-sho section. - Squilibob 07:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I edited the format of the first three main characters - do you like it better this way? You can change it if you like. Also, should we delete Momoko, Onpu, and Hana's profiles since they're not in Magical DoReMi yet? Amina 14:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason to delete them. Delete one thing such as that then you'd have to delete a range of things. For example, the main image in the infobox is from Naisho, which I'm sure is confusing. Maybe Momoko, Onpu, and Hana could be separated somehow. - Squilibob 14:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I've done some editing to separate the current english adaption and the future proposed adaptions, which includes Momoko, Onpu, and Hana-chan. Something needs to be done about the japanese names of family and school people though. I've seen a lot of the japanese versions but none of the dub, so can't identify any of the english names. - Squilibob 15:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved Japanese to a separate article

message: ::Alrighty, is there anything in particular I should clean up first? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just don't want to do anything to mess it up. ^^;; Amina 06:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically where there is no direct reference to the japanese version, all japanese text should be taken out. There is still instances of Doremi, Hadzuki and Aiko in there. The minor characters section has all japanese names except for people like Todd. So those should go. I'm now treating this article as something a young american who watches cartoons would be viewing and the Ojamajo Doremi article as something someone with a good understanding of anime would view. I have a few plans for the other page, particularly fleshing out the Na-i-sho section. - Squilibob 07:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I edited the format of the first three main characters - do you like it better this way? You can change it if you like. Also, should we delete Momoko, Onpu, and Hana's profiles since they're not in Magical DoReMi yet? Amina 14:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason to delete them. Delete one thing such as that then you'd have to delete a range of things. For example, the main image in the infobox is from Naisho, which I'm sure is confusing. Maybe Momoko, Onpu, and Hana could be separated somehow. - Squilibob 14:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some editing to separate the current english adaption and the future proposed adaptions, which includes Momoko, Onpu, and Hana-chan. Something needs to be done about the japanese names of family and school people though. I've seen a lot of the japanese versions but none of the dub, so can't identify any of the english names. - Squilibob 15:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Just checked Onpu's section and saw she has a dub name. Is this actually verified? There's been much speculation in various forums but I don't think anyone has discovered what the dub name is yet. Would someone please provide a source for this? It'd be much appreciated, and thanks in advance. If there is no source, I'm  thinking we should delete it, as we're misinforming the people that use Wikipedia.  Amina 11:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, since no one's replied I'm deleting it. If it was true, then the person who put it can feel free to add it once more with a source. By the way - the page's box is about Ojamajo Doremi instead of Magical Doremi. Shouldn't we change that? ^^;;; Amina 14:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever keeps putting the name up, please state your source. I'll keep deleting it until you do. There's been much debate on this, so unless you have a source, unnamed person, please stop. Amina 18:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on Onpu's Dub Name