Talk:Christian attitudes towards Freemasonry

message: First, I find in an old copy of the Handbook of Denominations in the United States that there actually are two American churches, the Church of the Living God and the House of God, Which Is the Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Ground of Truth, Inc., which seem to have some explicitly pro-Masonic beliefs. Both are mentioned in the article on the first named group in the edition I have been going over. I haven't yet finished the book, so there may be more. There are also a fair number of groups in the part of the book I have so far gone through which are apparently opposed to secret societies and their oaths in general, not necessarily limited to Freemasons and masonic organizations. I haven't finished the book yet, or looked in more recent editions, so there may be others as well. But I think there are reasonable grounds for a title change. John Carter (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps: Christian attitudes towards Freemasonry would be a clearer title?  Blueboar (talk) 12:05, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

text: *I would fully support moving this article to "Christian attitudes toward(s) Freemasonry." The current title strikes me as slightly worse than its predecessor. Bnng (talk) 01:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose renaming of article and possible creation of related article on Christianity and secret societies 

message: Please note that overall I fid this article to be very unbiased and neutral, offering equitable viewpoints for many of the statements, where applicable.
Looking at the "New religion" section there is a statement "It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites". This statement has a citation "Freemasonry article from the New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1964, Volume 6, pages 132 through 139 inclusive" with a link to the "New Catholic Encyclopedia" entry of Wikipedia. My concern is that this page has no reference to any of the items mentioned, I guess that the references are supposed to be in the encyclopedias themselves but there is no evidence of that, however if we reasonably assume that there *is* a reference for this statement then there is the question of whether the information in the encyclopedia is also accurate.
I would suggest that the source of information is itself biased given the well-known and well-documented dislike that the Catholic church has towards Freemasonry and would ask the question of how an organisation that has banned its members from joining has been able to gather such detailed information of the practices of Freemasonry.
I offer this alteration as an attempt to make this article more un-biased: The sentence could be made more accurate either by removing it entirely (even though parts of it are accurate), or adjusting the wording to indicate that this is an opinion, "It is believed that it includes". This would be the more-accurate and most neutral thing to do because, at least as far as I know, there is no documented evidence of the existence of any of these items.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardmw (talk • contribs) 13:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That said, the Church does interpret those customs and rituals differently than Masons do. Blueboar (talk) 14:53, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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