Talk:Bhangra (music)

message: Some people behind anonymous IPs have been adding names of artists. Since I'm not all that conversant with bhangra, particularily the scene in the UK, I can't tell if these are the major artists or if they're someone's brother-in-law. I hope these names are legit. 
I rearranged in alphabetic order (easier to read and find that way) and turned them into links. All the red links are stubs and need to be filled out. That would be worthy project. Zora 03:02, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur Khiradtalk 22:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I won't stand against your edits, but be prepared to defend them if other folks protest. It would be good if we had a stated criterion. More than one album? As for me, I'm an ignorant gori and I like Daler. He does "honky-tonk" music -- reminds me a little of zydeco <g>. Zora 19:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicians 

message: It would be useful to have a discussion of the origins of the word "bhangra". Many people seem to believe it comes from bhang, an intoxicating drink made from marijuana but others say it derives from "bhag" which is a traditional  Punjabi dance . --Lee Hunter 13:50, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I, myself was wondering about this. Both make sense. Many sources refer to it deriving from the dance, and given the natural relationship between music and dance this is likely. But intoxication is also a common metaphor in the Persian/Indian world, and the similarity with bhaṅg (ਭੰਗ), while it may be a misleading similarity, it is still too close for me to dismiss without further study. Khiradtalk 22:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology 

message: I'm intrerested in bhangra, but I don't know enough about it. It'd be cool to have a list of movies it has been featured in, so some users can make that connection. Didn't the wedding scene from the film "Bend It Like Beckham" have a bhangra group? --bakuyaku 14:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it was a cameo of a notable group, but it was certainly bhangra, especially since the movie was about a Punjabi family. The movies bhangra is in would be perhaps too numerous to mention though as it is very popular to incorporate in Bollywood - especially the patriotic movies which always have at least one Sikh, if not a Sikh regiment. Such songs like "Shava Shava" from K3G (Kabhi Khushi Khabi Gham), etc., might be notable mentions though. Khiradtalk 22:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured In

message: I added the Gurmukhi. To avoid any appearances of bias towards India I also wished to add the Shahmukhi but was uncertain of its spelling. My guesses are: بهنگڑا، بهنگڑه, I am mainly unsure about the final -a. Also what about adding commentary on commonly heard Punjabi vocabulary used in bhangra. I myself don't know if others think it would be useful, but the interjections like 'shava' and 'balle' are notable features anyone of non-Indian origin who has listened to bhangra might notice. Khiradtalk 23:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Shahmukhi?

message: Even though it said "alphabetical by last name", various editors have been reorganizing it by first name. OK, I give. By first name. That is easier to alphabetize -- even if it might make it hard for people to find artists, if they remember the last but not the first name.
Some names seem to have been dropped during the re-organization. Could you please notify other editors if you're planning to drop someone? I don't mean vanity additions, some schoolboy in the UK putting his own name in the list, but people with actual albums or songs out. But dropping Daler Mehndi -- that seems like a criticism of his music rather than removal of a vanity edit. 
Now I realize that by the "album or song out" criterion we might have hundreds of names on the list. Maybe we need a stricter criterion. Let's discuss it here. But just dropping artistes you don't personally like, if anybody is doing that, isn't OK. Zora 19:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of notable artists 

message: Jatt, it's OK to categorize artistes by the period in which they were active, or the country in which they mainly perform. However, it is NOT OK to classify them by how "good" you think they are. That's your private judgment and you can't impose it on the article. I have reverted your changes to the point just before you started re-organizing them into "legendary" and "notable", and I'd ask that you stick to time periods and countries. If you're considering other categories, discuss them here first, please. Zora 20:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification of bhangra artistes 

message: Dear all, I am a fan of Bhangra and am a user of Wikipedia. Some of the artists on the list are a joke. For example, DJ Stormz is a little known radio DJ but he is listed as a producer. As far as I know, he has never put out an album or a single song in the market. The fact that he may be working on an album does not justify him being on there. Then there is also Panjabi by Nature who despite putting out several albums has not yet had a notable hit song. Who are Desi Elite Sounds? I'm guessing their DJ's, not producers. My point is, to an outsider reading this page, they will be getting the wrong idea about whose who in Bhangra. Can people please use common sense when adding artists? I find it rather sad that artists are using Wikipedia to satisfy their own egos. - Anon Bhangrafan, 14th April 2006
: I'm one of the few editors who keeps tabs on this article, and I'm just not up on the UK bhangra scene. Nor do I have time to research all the additions to the lists. If you could step forward and prune the lists, that would be great. Perhaps we need a policy re notability here? Um, if no Wikipedia article on the person, the entry goes? Articles get some scrutiny as to notability. So just go through and wipe out all the red links. Then if there are any blue links that look dicey, put those articles up for deletion. If only one person stands up for the article (the person who wrote the vanity article, presumably) then the article will go, the link will turn red, and can be pruned. Does this seem reasonable to you? Zora 11:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ego entries 

message: If no article, no name in list. Article must have at least one reference showing that the artist is notable. Zora 22:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: )  I've been through them once myself - some of the red links are certainly well known Punjabi artists (Hans Raj Hans, Apna Sangeet and some of the others).  However, others I'm not too sure about so I left all the red links in.  I did double check all the artists on Google and I removed some  but only the ones I was definately sure of.  Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm going to do it 

message: The article Jassi Sidhu needs to be expanded. The article B21 is probably okay, but I would appreciate it if someone could have a look at it. If there are articles on either B21 or Jassi Sidhu in other language Wikipedias that aren't already shown in these articles, could you please add links to the other-language articles? I rescued the Jassi Sidhu article from being speedily deleted, but I'm having trouble finding sources that I can use to expand it. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article [[Jassi Sidhu]] needs to be expanded. 

message: We used to have a long long list of musicians, bands, producers ... they all just disappeared. When did that happen? Why? I know it was a pain to keep it cleared of advertising and vandalism, but it did have some information value. Zora 02:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was deleted by Sukh about a month ago.  In the edit summary, Sukh said that it was unmaintainable.  If you want more detail, I'd suggest leaving a message on [[User talk:Sukh|Sukh's talk page.  RedRollerskate 20:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um, when did all the artistes disappear? 

message: Sorry I had to do this, but: I just reverted the article to revision 146299596, as a very large part of the text was blatantly lifted verbatim from , without any permission being noted here. That article has a note at the bottom: "Copyright © Punjab Online, all rights reserved." Clearly we are not allowed to use this text like that. Hairy Dude 14:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant copyvio 

message: Can we find some sources for the article? At the moment, while it does a good job at summing up the history of Bhangra, it is completely unsourced, and as such will ned to be deleted/stubified  unless sources are introduced. Sfacets 00:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Present day Bhangra is nothing but a farcical façade of it's former self with the majority of those still producing albums, looking to make a fast buck with lyrics that have no meanings, and electronic instruments overused to the point where we've got Punjabi lyrics coupled with r n' b tunes that sound awful. Present day bhangra is a shadow of itself. The only saving grace are some productions that might come out of the motherland. Compare and contrast the scene of today with that of the late 80's and the 90's when we, as per the wiki article, had so much talent producing some excellent music here in the UK - an era which is now at an end, maybe partly because the artists didn't get the returns they should have due to bootlegging and piracy, and now, the internet and downloading where most asians seem to think that music should be freely available. Present Day Bhangra... give us a break! It's dead!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Volatileacid (talk • contribs) 04:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Present Day Bhangra

message: Play Bhangra music to most of Britain's 60 million people and they will automatically that know this music is of Indian origin, not British. Just because bhangra's modern form was invented in Britain, doesn't mean that it's British music; it builds upon native Indian music styles, not British ones. I am from Canada, and Bhangra is synonymous with the Indo-Canadian (and Pakistani-Canadian) community, there is no mention at all of it as a "form of British music." Regardless of where a particular form of music is invented, its cultural value is determined by its roots. I think a better definition for Bhangra is something more like "a variety of Punjabi music that developed in Britain from traditional styles of dance and song from the Punjab Region brought there my the large Punjabi immigrant community." It gives respect to its modern origins in Britain, its roots in South Asia and keeps it fairly equal. Any one knows Bhangra is Punjabi...not just British. Call it Indo-British, but calling Bhangra British is simply incorrect. Welsh, Scottish and English music is British, it developed after centuries (if not millennia) from native populations.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.73.186 (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "A form of British Music" a good definition for Bhangra?

message: In the Bhangra#In North America section, there is a link to "http://www.dholdiawaz.comment". This is an invalid URL and, predictably, is broken. Does anybody know where it's supposed to go? 152.7.9.32 (talk) 06:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it doesn't matter where it's supposed to go because the website was advertising itself on Wikipedia. Advertising is not allowed here so I've removed it. Thanks for picking this up. GizzaDiscuss © 07:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Link

message: The opening of this Article has its Racial essence in i, It is performed not only by Sikh Farmers but also by Punjabi Hindu farmers. Punjabi stands for Hindus from Punjab & not Sikhs.
I think phangra dance was invented whenever vasakhi celebration originally started may be hunderds of years ago and not just after 1947 as it has been stated in your writeup. My father was Indian military officer ( doctor ) he was sent to Second World War in 1941 when I was just 12 years old. First time I had the opportunity to attend a Maila festival at village Raikot in Dist. Ludhiana,Punjab. I had witnessed Bhangra Folk dance coducted by a group of dancers and singers cosisted of sikh and muslim young men and women. They wore colorful custumes and men dancers wore heavy gold necklas ( kandha ), Chadras ,traditional waist coats and turbans and women dancers wore colorful punjabi suits.The only musical instument I can remember was Drums and snakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.186.237.62 (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Bhangra Folk Dance 

message: seems their is quite a bit of confusion about bhangra dance (teams) vs bhangra music (bands)
two seperate entries are needed for these two things.  Perhaps one for punjabi folk (singers) as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 07:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Also, what's the problem with the neutrality tags -- just what makes the article not neutral?  AkankshaG 17:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  seperate bhangra dance page and bhangra music page needed 

message: Why is this term being used? Most Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, don't refer to themselves as South Asian. 71.105.87.54 (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Asia?  

message: It's a sectarian bias by stating that Bhangra is an entirely Sikh dance. Though Sikhs may have had an important role in preserving & making certain forms of Bhangra styles popular in the West, more traditional (folk) forms of bhangra and dhamaal, as well as the modern variants are enjoyed and performed all over by Pakistani Punjabis (Muslims). Even at UK concerts more than half of the crowd as well as many young musicans are of Pakistani Punjabi origin (nowadays called a "Desi" crowd). Bhangra was traditionally danced at Vaisakhi by all the Punjabi religious groups (except maybe the ultra orthodox).Though there is a "Muic of Pakistan template" the article itself makes no further reference to Bhangra in Pakistan at all. Even at Pakistani films from the 60's and 70's one could see the same Bhangra atire used at Pakistani Mele's, the turban (not Sikh turban), the chaddar, the waistcoat and khameez, the intruments and singing styles as can be seen in the old film song: Balle Balle Mele Vich Kharack by Noor Jehan and many others.The same style of singing, the same "so called" modern Dhol grooves, complete with Dhad and all. Bhangra styles are most probably much older then the formation of the Sikh faith (which has btw strongly been influenced by Punjabi Sufism) and are simply harvest festival songs and dances. Punjab has always been a melting pot of cultures and Bhangra is just one expression of it's farming culture.It's not good for Bhangra to let religious hatred, bias and communalism enter the music or you may publish your Bhangra music through the RSS propaganda distribution system alltogether.Because this is what these trolls want.I understand that many young Sikhs strongly self identify with Bhangra music, but so do others.Chapatti is also not a Sikh invention, though you'll eat it every day, so do others.95.223.187.171 (talk) 08:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Bias? 

message: This article has a heavy 'Western' bias -- it focuses on Bhangra as "a form of Western music, developed in Britain in the 1980s". There is little focus on the original Bhangra dance of Punjab, India. I suggest this article be split into Bhangra (folk dance) and Bhangra (Western music). utcursch | talk 09:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it must be split. Too much random stuff that confuses dance and music genres. The connections can be summarized by: 1. Music genre takes its name from the dance; 2. Sometimes, mainly in Western contexts, dance is performed to the pop music genre. Otherwise, most of the stuff being said  does not go for both phenomena, and must be distinguished. I've sorted the existing writing on this page so that all the dance-related stuff is together (except for what's in the lead section). That can all be copied over to a Bhangra (dance) page. I recommend that title (rather than "Bhangra (folk dance)") because "folk" is POV and limits what can be talked about. Keep it open. Also, I recommend the music page should not say "Western" because, though I get what is meant, that also limits it. It is now global music--don't limit it. But then "Bhangra (music)", while pretty acceptable, is potentially confusing because people may think it refers to the musical accompaniment to the dance (dhol, boliyaan, etc). Therefore I recommend "Bhangra (popular music)", which clearly indicates the well defined category popular music. The commercial Punjabi "folk singers", incidentally, already have a place to go: Music of Punjab (which should also eventually contain a link over to the Bhangra music page). DrBaldhead (talk) 04:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken the initiative and created a page of Bhangra (dance) to split this. All dance-related info is shifted to there. I am going to, therefore, delete all the dance stuff from this page, which for the moment remains the de facto MUSIC page.DrBaldhead (talk) 18:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now I've moved/renamed this as a music page. I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary, since there are just two articles. The "hatnotes" at the top of the articles should be enough to disambiguate, but anyone can make a disambiguation page if you think it's necessary.DrBaldhead (talk) 00:13, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

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message: *What is the Romanization for Gurmukhi ਭੰਗੜਾ ?  Also, why was the Devanagari transliteration removed?  I went into the revision history, and it was listed as भांगड़ा - bhāṅgaṛā (IAST) but seems to have been removed at some point.  Is bhāṅgṛā a correct transliteration for Gurmukhi?  Nikki (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Romanization of Gurmukhi is as it appears: bhaṅgṛā. The same would go for Nastaliq, though the homo-organic "n" would not necessarily be attended to with any diacritical. I don't see why there would need to be a Devanagari. First, that is a different pronunciation. Second, it is a Punjabi phenomenon, so we use Punjabi scripts and pronunciations.DrBaldhead (talk) 16:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: transliteration

message: Article mostly has this music genre as Bhangra (and four lower-case "bhangra"). Wondering if the "Bhangra" not at the start of a sentence should be changed to "bhangra". Examples of lower-case bhangra are 1) Wikipedia also has List of bhangra artists 2) http://www.bhangra.org/about/ says "bhangra". 
Most of other music genres seem to be all lowercase (examples: a cappella, acid house, acid jazz, benga, etc) with upper-case letters being used only when there is a proper name (country name etc) such as Afro-Cuban jazz. --EarthFurst (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  capitalization: Bhangra or bhangra? 

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message: The very annoying painting of lady playing sitar who had nothing to do with bhangra was deleted.  Anyways indias never made any bhangra music so why classify it as indian genre.  They can claim punjabi folk Noxiousnews (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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