Talk:Fiber to the premises

message: Many people might think that FTTP is another kind of protocol. Isn't the name confusing in that respect? Camilo Sanchez (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FTTP-HTTP

message: Shouldn't FTTP article be renamed to Fiber to the Premises? 
See Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_spelled-out_phrases_to_acronyms
Tygar 06:37, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
# Noticed that there is a Fiber to the Home article (instead of FTTH)... renamed as per acronyms/vs spelled out names link above. Tygar 06:43, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
: Is this article a duplicate of Fiber to the Home ? bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 09:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fiber to the Home now redirects here. There were originally two, completely redundant, articles. Mirror Vax 11:08, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  FTTH is not the same thing as FTTP. FTTH is a subset of FTTP. But I certainly agree with redirecting the fiber to the home article to this one because there is not currently enough FTTH information in this article to merit breaking it off into its own article. Riick 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiber to the Home 

message: Isn't FTTB synonymous with FTTP?  If so, I propose putting it back in the introduction. Riick 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have discovered that FTTB is actually a subset of FTTP.  I have put mention of FTTB back into the introduction but I have clarified its meaning. Riick 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiber to the building 

message: I do believe we need to state the speed capabilities of FTTP in connecting to the internet. People are comparing internet connections by their download/upload speed nowadays, so putting it might be a leap to featured article status...--202.156.6.54 17:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speeds vary.  UTOPIA boasts speeds of 100Mbit or 1Gbit depending the type of connection you get.  On the other-hand, companies like Verizon boast speeds in the realm of 30Mbit.  It all depends on the service provider and what they wish to provide. Krocheck 08:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed capabilities of FTTP? 

message: This section of talk was formerly titled "Availability".     Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The availability section is still filled with specifics, but I removed the external links. The external links within the text itself were replaced with internal links when possible. It had turned into a spam magnet with new links being added constantly, regardless of project size, company size and importance. The section still needs work. -- Kjkolb 11:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose changing the title of the Availability by Country section to Deployments or Deployments by Country.  Such a wording change would be aimed at giving the section more of a history and current events feel appropriate for an encyclopedia, as opposed to the consumer's guide feel mentioned above by Kjkolb.  I want to get at least a little consensus on this before I act because it seems that many people have put a lot of time into the section and maybe they have some preference for the Availability wording.  (Note that Deployments is the wording used to label a very similar section in the cable television article. Riick 04:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard anything in more than a week, so I've gone ahead with the name change.  The section is now called "Deployment History".  I have also changed the name of the related talk section.  Hopefully this will encourage editors to make entries in a more encyclopedic style, such as "In March 2007, FiberPush introduced FTTH..." rather than "FiberPush is now introducing FTTH...".  (The latter might look pretty silly to someone viewing this article in 2017, after FiberPush had been bought out by OmniGlutton and FTTH had been replaced by some newer technology!) Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This entire section isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia entry.  It a list of companies and their products that use FTTP technology.  It is not information about the actual FTTP technology.  The information on the various products seems to be updated by the companies employees and users, and much of it is out of date.  It is basically an area for companies to advertise their products. It should be moved to a separate page, or possibly moved out of Wikipedia all together. Bifferoo 17:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this section is mostly just thinly-veiled product promotion.  However, I would point out that (1) moving it to another page is not going to make the content any more encyclopedic, and (2) the section does contain some valid historic deployment info hidden amongst all the advertising.  I consider this section a "problem section", but there don't really seem to be any great solutions.  (By the way, a past proposal to move this section can be found under the heading Time to break out a separate article for FTTP projects?)   -Riick 17:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deployment History 

message: A few ideas for keeping the "Deployment history" section appropriate for Wikipedia:
# Avoid external links to company websites.  I believe these fall under Wikipedia's external links to avoid. Riick 22:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make appropriate edits 

message: Available in Sweden, through bredbandsbolaget, tele2, and several local isp:s since ~1999, with 100/10 now priced at ~30€. 212.247.37.98 11:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Available in Sweden 

message: I read that Japan and Korea adopted FTTH as the industry standard (as opposed to DSL) a long time ago.  --71.124.240.231 02:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Asia

message: At the risk of appearing to flog my now-defunct blog, I used to maintain a blog that listed, among other things, links to articles on specific FTTP projects around the world. The blog should not get a link here; see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. I have put a link to it on one of my user subpages; I think that's probably acceptable within the limits of Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines. The blog is out of date but may have some useful resources for editors looking for links to articles. --A. B. 16:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Info on specific FTTP projects - a resource

message: It's very worthwhile to list all these projects with some information on each, however as that list grows it will come to dominate this article. I suggest we considering forking this information to an article with a title such as "List of FTTP projects" and linking the two articles together. </br>
--A. B. 15:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Mirror Vax 15:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Unless we have a place to list the different projects they will end up back on this page, as we are starting to see already.  Bifferoo 20:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  I think they are appropriate here, but I do propose renaming the section from Availability by Country to Deployments in order to encourage users to make more encyclopedic entries.  (Discuss this under the Availability section of this page). Riick 05:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time to break out a separate article for FTTP projects?

message: A large amount of the Deployment History section adds little relevance to the subject. Including specifics like who is providing service in which cites in a county is definitely going too far [With the Exception of which city was it deployed in the world first]. I think  it should be much more generic, definitely shorter. Possibly "Deployment History of FTTP" could have it's own article if it is wanted to be discussed further. I think here it should be limited three to five paragraphs. Covering what speeds, standards or equipment are in place in what years globally and unique developments affecting deployment. This would also be more likely to be read in it's entirety. WikipedianYknOK 12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a by country list, in an article that otherwise is not about particular countries.  Problem is, as with the former Broadband Internet access worldwide article, there are too many countries in the world.  Solution, as with that article, is to send each country's section to its particular Communications in my country article.  Jim.henderson 02:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deployment History is becoming a something of a sprawling list

message: I had the following requests by email:
*I would find it interesting for the Wiki piece to consider separately
#the FTTP bit-moving service and 
#retail services that use the bit-moving service.  In fact, if there were a good title for the latter, it would make sense to me to move them to a separate Wiki piece. (Sometimes the same provider delivers both kinds of services, but not always.)
*I'm interested in what FTTP systems are using what technology. (I think active Ethernet is better than PON. I think BPON is already obsolete.)
I am no expert on this topic. Can someone sort this one out? -- Alan Liefting-talk- 05:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article update request