Talk:Draugr

message: I strongly mean that the english name for this seacreature is not "Draugr" and "Draugar". These are merely the old norse names popularized by games like Skyrim, where the creatures don't share any resemblance to the ones from scandinavian folklore. The correct english term should be just like the current scandinavian, "Draug" and plural "Draugs". KnutfAen (talk) 12:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one has commented on this so far i'm just going to assume everybody's ok with it. KnutfAen (talk) 15:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to perform the move, but to preserve the discussion that was previously at the Draug talk page, I'll copy and paste it in the below section. -- Atama頭 16:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Had this been advertised anywhere I looked, I would have objected. Old Norse is the academic lingua franca for discussing ancient and medieval Scandinavian matters in English; in academic contexts, neither the modern continental Scandinavian forms (which drop final -r) nor the modern Icelandic (which changes it to -ur) are usually used. The usage in gaming is tangential; as noted above, in this instance they don't even resemble the Old Norse draugar. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I also would have objected to this. The article needs to be moved back. There is no "English name". :bloodofox: (talk) 02:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the name of the page 

message: Some old page history that used to be at the title "Draug" is now at Talk:Draug/Old history. The text of the corresponding talk page is at the section entitled Old discussion from Draug talk page, and its history can be found in the early edits to this talk page. Graham87 07:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old page history 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support as proposer. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got to point out that the above three responses are just patent nonsense. They're probably the work of a single user. :bloodofox: (talk) 01:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I removed mention of the supposed Old English dréag ('apparition') and its or Old Norse draugr's apparent spawning of the Irish terms dréag (mentioned in the cited dictionary and the book the cited book review covered as drèag, with a grave rather than an acute) and driug in .
The cited book review of George Henderson's The Norse Influence on Celtic Scotland (1910), written by a W. A. Craigie (who appears to be this fellow), explicitly states (on page 380) that there is no such term dréag in Old English with the meaning of apparition; I myself could not find it in Bosworth–Toller or in the 2007 release of the Dictionary of Old English: A to G from the University of Toronto.1 The book that the book review covers states (on page 106) that the Scottish Gaelic equivalent cannot have come from Old Norse draugr since the ON g would have yielded gh in the Scottish term (therefore *drōgh) and so it, it states, it had to have come from the supposed OE dréag, but the review states that the OE g also would have yielded gh therein.
I failed to note before that Henderson's note had more to do with the Scottish Gaelic terms (seemingly: dreag, driug along with the following forms from the work of someone simply mentioned as "Armstrong", perhaps Robert Archibald Armstrong: dreug, dreige2; all from page 105) than with the aforementioned Irish Gaelic terms, and so I perhaps hastily removed mention of those. Though, I now notice that Henderson mentions the same etymology that was in the article and from the dictionary cited before (on page 106): "M'Bain  gives the variants dreag, drèag, driug, 'from the Ag. S. dréag, apparition, Norse draugr, ghost,'—rightly." I do not know how the g of the supposed OE dréag or the g of ON draugr would appear in Irish Gaelic or how the differing diphthongs would be rendered therein, but if MacBain believes they came from OE term rather than from the ON term directly (possible, I suppose, but I am not exactly sure), then I believe the removal was completely fine.
What do you guys think?
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Thanks,
Espreon (talk) 05:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  draugr, dreag, and potential Celtic derivatives thereof 

message: * 1 
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Thanks,
Espreon (talk) 05:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Dreegh not Draugr, but almost certinaly he took the name from Nordic traditions.--GwydionM (talk) 12:52, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a vag Vogt story 

message: FWIW, I think the reconstructed PIE term is now more commonly translated as "falsehood", with "phantom" being the evolved Proto-Germanic meaning.
B.Bryant (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cognates and etymology