Talk:Welsh Language Society

message: This is almost entirely ripped from the http://cymdeithas.com/ website as extremely biased towards Welsh nationalism - in my experience Welsh is at the most a secondary language and is not used day-to-day in most of Wales, bar a few communities. (unsigned comment from User:82.71.17.57)
:in my experience Welsh is at the most a secondary language and is not used day-to-day in most of Wales, bar a few communities.
:Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Welsh_Language_Society"
:The above is clearly a very ignorant comment to make - nowehere in the article is it claimed that Welsh is a majority language. However, to say it is spoken in 'just a few communities' is ignorant in the extreme. Clearly, you have little understanding of the subject, and Welsh IS used day-to-day in Wales, in communities, in the media, and in government. If you do not realise this you either are not from Wales, or live in a cave. (and I did not write the article by the way). (unsigned comment from 81.110.93.3)
::It also depends where in Wales you are. I barely heard any Welsh being spoken when I was a student in Swansea, but I heard lots when I was on holiday around Caernarfon. Thryduulf 12:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The author of the top comment is obviously  very confused - CYIG (Cymdeithas Yr Iaith Gymraeg)is a movement that was formed to campaign for the WELSH LANGUAGE not for independence or any type of "nationalism". CYIG has no ties with any political party, and therefore cannot in any way be biased to "Welsh nationalism" as s/he suggests. I also agree with the rest of the comments made by Thryduulf. (unsigned comment from User:Niall7890)
I have added the names of the originators to the various comments and indented them because I was getting confused! --Telsa (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: The first comment on this talk page is all too accurate in one respect: it is almost entirely ripped from the Cymdeithas site, specifically the What is Cymdeithas page, and there is no sign that we have any permission to do this. I don't think that changing "we" to "they" absolves us from this. Examples: 
* society's site: "...we believe in non-violent direct action, and in the course of our campaigns over a thousand people have appeared before the courts for their part in these campaigns, many serving prison sentences. These campaigns have resulted in many gains for the language, including two Welsh language acts, bilingual road signs, and the establishing of S4C, the Welsh language television channel. We are a voluntary movement entirely dependent on the support of our members and supporters to run our campaigns."
* current article: "Cymdeithas yr Iaith believes in non-violent direct action and in the course of their campaigns over a thousand people have appeared before the courts for their part in various campaigns, many receiving prison sentences. These campaigns have resulted in many gains for the language, including two Welsh language acts, bilingual road signs, and the establishing of S4C, the Welsh language television channel.  "Cymdeithas" is a voluntary movement entirely dependent on its members and supporters to run its campaigns. Two full-time members of staff are employed at their head office in Aberystwyth, Ceredigion.
*society's site: "Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg are campaigning for the language in many fields: education, media and culture, planning, local authorities. At present we are calling for a new Welsh Language Act which covers the many fields ignored by previous legislation passed in 1993: e.g. the private sector."
* current article: "Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg are campaigning for the language in many fields: education, media and culture, planning, local authorities. At present they are calling for a new Welsh Language Act which covers the many fields ignored by previous legislation passed in 1993: e.g. telecommunications, the private sector. They have on occasions littered windows of shops that do not have Welsh or bilingual signs."
Ouch. I don't really want to list this on the copyvios page: the whole procedure is a hassle. But it definitely needs fixing. Or someone to get permission from the society, I suppose... --Telsa (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: The society refers to itself as "Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg" in English. If no one protests, I will move the article. --MacRusgail 22:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly Object- Please read WP:NC which state that "article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a minimum level of ambiguity, while making linking easy and second nature". I heavily doubt that any monolingual native English speaker Without any prior knowledge of Welsh (Which make up the bulk of the English Wikipedia) would find this name "easily recognizable" and "second nature". --William Howard Hart 22:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just completely wrong. By all means have a redirect so that searches for the English name return the page, but the name of the organisation is Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg, not "The Welsh Language Society".  It's like saying that the wikipedia page for Ioan Gruffudd should be named "John Griffiths".  It's nonsense, and, frankly, disrespectful. 2A00:23C6:3899:5901:FC66:2321:F8AE:C5CC (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
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message: This was an incorrect statement, with a fact flag since February.  It could have been deleted then.  The true figure is 14%, but it's irrelevant to the article.  I also put in a citation for Tynged yr Iaith. . . .LinguisticDemographer 14:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: Having read this article today 7/6/2008, I do belive that the Neutrality question has been solved. the recent corrections in my opinion have taken out any biast opinion.
If no one objects, then I shall remove the Neutrality Banner on August 1st. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llywelyn2000 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality (2) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved.   estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Welsh Language Society →  – Change in common name used by independent, reliable, English-language secondary sources, per WP:COMMONNAME –  over the last 12 months. 
Note, COMMONNAME does not mean the most popular name per Google Trends or Google Search, as stated in WP:WIAN, but the COMMONNAME in sources. 
As stated in the supporting evidence below, the lead of WLS in Ngrams has drastically reduced, with Welsh forms sometimes taking the lead, and Google News Articles from the last 12 months show more use of the Welsh name. Manually searching shows many publications in the UK and Wales use the Welsh name first or not in parenthesis, while possibly using WLS secondly, in parenthesis or as a potential descriptor. International recent sources are scarce, while many use WLS, they discuss past events which per WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:WIAN shouldn't be given too much weight in terms of context. Therefore decided there is a basis for a RM for consideration. DankJae 09:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Comment - Edit, I believe WP:UE sums up my argument. DankJae 20:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 September 2023 

message: It seems that there was a different Welsh Language Society in existence in 1914, as I've found while reading the first issue of the Welsh Outlook; see here. Ham II (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I now think this must be what is elsewhere called the Society for the Utilisation of the Welsh Language, covered at :cy:Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg (1885) and in this dissertation. Ham II (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  An earlier Welsh Language Society