Talk:Christ lag in Todes Banden, BWV 4

message: I have archived earlier, acrimonious debates on aspects of the article's content, in the hope that after the the soon-to-be-completed ANI, a more cooperative and collegial approach will be adopted in future discussions of possible amendments to the article. I am also restoring the article page to what it was on 26 April last, before the previous round of discussions began. This may mean that a few non-contentious changes will have been reverted, but that can easily be righted. The main point is that this is a recently promoted FA and TFA, supposedly an example of our "best work", and it should not be presented to the world in a state of disorder while content issues are resolved. 
I have done this as a housekeeping arrangement, not as a judgement on the worthiness or otherwise of the changes tht have been proposed. That is a matter for the content experts to decide, now with a clean sheet and, hopefully, an atmosphere of mutual respect. Brianboulton (talk) 15:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived discussions

message: I introduced Gerda's proposal above into the article. Some cleanup would still be in order I suppose (e.g. harmonise abbreviations used in table) – but definitely an improvement. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:46, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduced in article

message: I'd replace (in the "Selected recordings" section):
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Christ lag in Todes Banden was recorded early, and has been recorded often; as of 2016, the Bach-Cantatas website lists 77 different complete recordings, the earliest dating from 1931 when Lluís Millet conducted the Orfeó Català in Francesc Pujol's Catalan version of the cantata. The performance was recorded by La Voz de su Amo (His Master's Voice) and appeared on three 78 rpm discs.
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 BWV 4: 1931 Catalan recording
La Voz de su AmoCatálogo de discos "La Voz de su Amo": enero 1932. His Master's Voice, 1932, pp. 96–97	His Master's VoiceBach, Johann Sebastian (composer), Luther, Martin (author), Pujol, Francesc (arranger, translator), Millet, Lluís (conductor), Orfeó Català of Barcelona (performers). Cantata No. 4: Christ Lay in Death's Dark Prison: Sung in Catalan with orch. Victrola, 1932.	Movement	AudioThe AHRC Research Centre for the History and Analysis of Recorded Music (CHARM)
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In 1931 Lluís Millet conducted the Orfeó Català in 's Catalan version of the cantata. The performance was recorded by La Voz de su Amo (His Master's Voice) and appeared on three 78 rpm discs.
  		
  	
  	
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--Francis Schonken (talk) 06:54, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Catalan recording is mentioned. The amount of detail you suggest seems undue to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Gerda, it's better to move this comment to the "Discography section" thread above to keep the discussion together. It doesn't belong as a subsection here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moved to here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I think we have to be a bit careful here. In an early version of the article I put in a quite a lot of detail about Nadia Boulanger and her recordings, but I was asked to prune it as part of the FAR process. --Thoughtfortheday (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I have moved the material about the Catalan recording to a new article on the discography, where I hope it will find a happy home.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 10:22, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography section

message: Francis, please revert your un-archiving. Instead, make corrections, but please not more than one a day, to give us the opportunity to follow, and/or make suggestions here, with the same. Sorry, our capacity just for reading is limited. I guess I speak for myself, Thoughtfortheday and the many others who worked on this article.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted this highly disruptive and unconstructive "unarchiving". Francis, if you wish to set up automatic archiving for the future, fine. Do not use that as an excuse to restore the unholy mess you had made of this page and the entirely unacceptable restoration of other editors' comments which you had re-factored in a grossly misleading way. Your behaviour here has already been the subject of an ANI discussion a month ago. Enough of this. Voceditenore (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please revert unarchiving 

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message: I'm reluctant to make unilateral changes to a Featured Article, but the Notable Performances section is unnecessary and arbitrary, and I think it should go. Why are those performances any more notable than lots of others? Why should the performance history in the UK be of special importance? JBritnell (talk) 10:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone who wrote a lot of the section in question, I agree that the UK bias can't really be justified. I do think however that the index of Proms performances is often of interest because this concert series has been running for such a long time.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 11:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The listing of individual performances seems like indeed too much, especially if it is not based on independent sources, but I've kept the Proms as that is indeed a notable thing, and merged them with the recordings section. Hopefully that seems like a good compromise. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  20:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. JBritnell (talk) 02:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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