Talk:World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade/Archive 1

message: The uncensored cover of The Games Machine has been widely available through the official World of Warcraft forums for some time tonight, and I have saved it. Would it be appropriate to show it, considering Blizzard likely had a hand in forcing the censorship (both the website the the cover section listing the name and some details have been blacked out)? I'm not too sure.--Not . K 09:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's keep it, if they want it removed they can remove it themselves. :P Other then that, it's all still a rumor until Blizzard lifts the lid. Havok (T/C) 11:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriate to use uncensored magazine cover? 

message: I'm new to being a member of Wikipedia so don't wanna mess somethin up but on the World of Warcraft webiste they have shown the talents and spells for all classes except the Hunter maybe someone could include that i don't know how so someone help???
Yeah I'm Crazy 23:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion Talents and Spells Preview 

message: may i just say what everyone is probably thinking. blizzard did a pretty bad job of covering this one up. everybody knows what the flying mount is going to be on outland. yes, i know, it is controllable by you, but still, i have not a single doubt in my mind taht it is going to be dragonhawks. think about it: this expansion is revolving around the blood elves, outland, and quel' thalas. now, think of a flying mount related to that. isnt it obvious, or am i just the only one who sees it?
--Late Leo 19:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Leo this is not a page to discuss speculation, this is to discuss problems with the content of the article. Brokenscope 00:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying mounts 

message: This just came up on digg. The digg comunity didn't seem to happy about it's appearance on the front page. But it's there none the less. I'll let everyone else here be the judge on if it's real or not.
:I have allready added the information to the main article. They do look real, and I would love for it to be true. I guess we'll know in a week or so. ;) Havok (T/C) 14:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood Elves Screenshots 

message: Someone recently added (to the rumor of player housing), "However, the instance portal behind the portcullis is currently used for officer barracks". The person who added that is mistaken, so I'm going to rewrite it with more specifics to decrease confusion of what portcullis it is. Mastgrr 00:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portcullis 

message: I have a program called the WoW model viewer that lets you look at different items, people, mobs and the like, that are in the game. I was flipping through the thing and saw something interesting. It was a ragnaros like wind elemental, one of the old gods. So we can expect to have a few more of those fellows to beat into the ground with 39 friends.
:Actually, that's Thunderaan the Windseeker. You summon him to get the sword Thunderfury. Here's a guide . Mastgrr 12:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As of yet, very little is known of the Old Gods but we do know of their Elemental lieutenants, one of them being Ragnaros the Firelord. The other three are Therazane the Stonemother, Al'Akir the Windlord, and Neptulon the Tidehunter. Derktar 22:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Instances 

message: For information regarding the new alli race, it says in the article that "the speculated Pandaren and Worgen choices have now been disproven." Where did this come from? 66.41.212.243 12:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please cite sources 

message: I was wondering if any one knows any rumers about what will be put in the expantion. i am sure that some people would know little bits and pieces. so spill the beans!!
all thats really known is what blizzard lets spill out, for the most part they are the among the Nintendo's of secret keepers so they keep quite a good control about information distribution. The information that is on the article page is basically all that is known without you going to the main burning crusade page on wow.com. Tik 20:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what do you know? 

message: According to the Swedish paper PC Gamer, the release date will be October 2006.
 the expansion includes many things, including:
a level cap of 70
flying mounts
new profession (jewel crafting)
100's of new intems
100's of new quests
many more dungeons/insrtance
etc. etc.
i found a picture of a BC charcter creation screen with pandas as a race on the alliance.just go to google.com then click images. in the bar provided type in the burning crusade. click on the first picture. when you come up to the next page look at the top where it says view fullsize. click that and youll see it.
The release date is still "to be announced," also if Blizzard had given a release date, it would probablly change at least once prior to release.
Regarding the "screen shot," I've seen it, its faked. The character even looks like it was edited into the picture. More importantly, if you read the race description, it becomes clear it is not correct. The playable Blood Elves in TBC are not the same that are allied with Illidan. Would the orcish Hoarde really accept a group that was allied with the Legion? Also, it displays both rogue and hunter as classes for the Blood Elves. Everything up until now clearly states the Blood Elves will be able to select hunter or rogue, not both. Nom Déplûmes 16:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The clerks at Gamestop do not know when it will be released. The release date is not October 3rd. There is no release date yet, it is still To Be Announced. --Stormie 03:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: Is the offcial wikipedia format "To be Annouced" or "To be Determined"? Is there an official standard? Brokenscope 23:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TBA vs TBD

message: Lately, I've seen lots of edits changing th relesae date from TBA to various dates. The official FAQ on WOW:TBC website states that..
Q: When will the expansion be released? How much will it cost?
A: We have not yet announced a release date for the expansion set. However, we expect to announce further details, including the release date and price, on our community website in the months ahead. Please stay tuned to www.WorldofWarcraft.com for more information. ''
So the release date is not officially determined as of yet. Some interviews with developers of the game hinted at release date being a) Q2 2006 b) Q3 2006 and such, but those the aren't the official release dates. I would like to discourage editors from making edits on the release date until Blizzard decides to officially announce the release date for WoW:TBC.Deiaemeth 03:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agreed. The opening paragraph explains the situation and mentions the rumours. As long as the release date is yet to be announced, the date in the infobox should remain TBA! --Stormie 12:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no official release date yet. Gamestop's date, like everyone else's, is speculation. --Stormie 06:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the release date

message: ok. so the draenei are the new race. however, notice that blizzard has not shown us any screenshots of the so-called azuremyst isles (btw: i'd like to see some proof that that is indeed the starting location, as it wasnt on the website), nor have they revealed the name of the capital city, or (for either new race) the racial mounts. please, if anyone has any info from forums or anything, straight form the mouth of a blizz employee, leave a note. cuz i'd love to hear it.--Late Leo 01:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draenei Information 

message: Wisps as the new Alliance race is obviously an April Fools joke.  Blizzard is widely known for its jokes (/panda being one specifically from WoW).  Also, wisps are already in the game as the ghosts of the Night Elves.  It's also ridiculous to believe Blizzard would add one race that had permadeath.  It's a joke, and leave the mention of it as such (not "speculation" or "believed", it's a joke). GreatGatsby 04:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The facial hair picture is hilarious. GreatGatsby 05:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Indeed. Hence the "wide speculated to be". Thanks for changing it back. :) --Arabani (Talk ∞ Contribs) 04:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Feel free to go ahead and take it down now if you'd like.  It'll be gone eventually when the new alliance race is revealed anyway.  I wouldn't be surprised if that happens at this year's E3. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  April Fools Joke 

message: I would seem that the new race is infact Eredar. No word has yet been given from Blizzard, so let's just keep it as speculation until we know more.
*Wow Wiki
*Curse Gaming
*Malicesp
*WoW Guru
*BC E3 movie
I'll add more when I find it.Havok (T/C) 10:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Attended E3, played a Draenei in the Blizzard Booth - their starting area is called "Azuremyst Island", and initial starting place is the Crash site of interdimensional spaceship, called "Exodar". First series of quests revolves around gathering stuff for healing the wounded Draeneis. Too bad I didn't get to see the Draenei capital city, but I saw Silvermoon and Ghostlands (Blood Elves level 10-20 leveling zone). There is a neutral faction of Bloodelves called Tranquillien in the Ghostlands, and many scourge-affiliated mobs.
Also, Hellfire peninsula in Draenor seemed interesting - The alliance base ther e was called "Honor Hold", but I forgot what the Horde base was called. I only saw level 55-57 mobs in the Hellfire Peninsula - mutated Boars and Mutated Clefthoofs (looks like thunder lizards).  Deiaemeth 08:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eredar 

message: The last section in the article about Mount Hyjal being in the game is just a rumour without anything to back it up and should be removed.
:Removed, seeing as there where no sources given, and that the other part of it is talked about further up. Also, please do not post "unofficial" information in its own section. Havok (T/C) 11:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mount Hyjal

message: OK, so, since there are gonna be some new races, im assuming that they are going to have capital cities, since all the starting areas have a capital city. HOWEVER, thats not what i wanted to ask. Since each capital city has a weapons trainer, does that mean that their are going to be new weapon types, or will they just be redistributed. Also, did they announce the release date at E3? I got my dad to tape G4's coverage, but i havent had a chance to watch it yet.AimeeLee 01:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, wait never mind about the release date.--AimeeLee 01:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: New cities are as follows: Exodar for the Draenei and Silvermoon for the Blood Elves. About the weapons trainer, nothing is known about them yet, but Blizzard did not announce any new weapon types so I'm assuming they will be redistributed or have duplicate trainers in the new cities. Deiaemeth 01:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New cities 

message: This article has been added to the AfD, please go to Articles for deletion/Corrupted Blood and give your vote on the subject. Thank you. Havok (T/C/c) 22:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Corrupted Blood]]

message: Is is notable enough to include the things that will be available for players without the expansion? I mean: there will be a downloadable patch to WoW to enable regular players to even 'see' parts of the new content (at least to 'see' the new race models ingame). Players without WoW:TBC cannot jewelcraft but they will be able to use jewelcrafted items. There are new areas to explore even without the purchase of the expansion (new races start areas, but not the outland continent) does the expansion include instances available to all players?
So what is included in this expansion but not exclusive to the expansion-buyers? Might be worth noting IMHO. Felsir 08:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is sourced go right ahead. But has Blizzard said anything on the final details when it comes to the expansion patch? Havok (T/C/c) 08:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion items available to those who don't buy the expansion? 

message: Just reverted a change adding Hunter to the list of Blood Elf classes - I'm going by (Couldn't revert due to tiny url link) post from Eyonix from May 4th, referencing a design direction email dated April 24th. If you want to change the list, please cite a statement from a Blizzard source more recent than that. --Stormie 23:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood Elf classes 

message: Someone gotta unlink all sections linking to the same page, for example lots of the dungeons have a link just simply redirected to this page. Shandristhe azylean 20:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade_DMCA_Takedown_Notice
Not sure how this applies to the article, but as far as I can tell it's telling us to remove all the pictures.
: None of the images on this page are taken from the alpha of the expansion pack, they're all publicity shots that Blizzard has released. This means the linked to item doesn't actually apply to these images. Ben W Bell talk 06:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Issues 

message: I added and cleaned up the region info for Outland using info from the interactive map linked on Blizzard's main website.  The information there is what is currently known about the regions.  Hyde v 22:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outland 

message: Should someone check on Netherstorm being for 67-70 players? Or at least mention that, unless you are summoned there or are a druid, you wont be able to reach it until you hit level 70?  There are a lot of places in WoW that you can get to that are beyond your level, this doesn't mean the zone is meant for you.  Roffler 20:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Netherstorn is linked to the rest of Outland by a bridge between the edge of it and Blade's Edge Mountains. --Shandristhe azylean 20:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netherstorm 

message: "Terokkar Forest
The instance Auchindoun is located here consisting of four wings: ... and the Mana-Tombs for levels 70-72."
It was made clear that the level cap is 70, so someone should check the proper sources and fix this error.
--
I believe the official level range is 70-72 and those numbers describe the levels of the mobs in the instance, not the level of the players entering it. 81.86.163.133 17:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level Error in the description for Terokkar Forest 

message: It's begun, I just got an invitation. I added a little blurb into the article, but it should probably be expanded. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 06:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closed Beta 

message: The black temple cannot house Illidan at all. If anyone has finished Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne you will remember that Arthas kills Illidan outside of The Frozen Throne chamber while trying to enter it so the Black Temple simply cannot house him at all... P.S. is there any instance where you get to kill Arthas at all?
Arthas doesn't kill Illidan, he severely wounds him.  Then, presumably because he desired Lich King's power now rather than later, he doesn't take 2 seconds to kill him. 67.84.82.147 01:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Temple 

message: who deleted the external link taking you to the picture of the ellekk (or however its spelled)?--Late Leo 19:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellek 

message: i deleted the entire section because 1) it looked ugly 2) way too in-depth for an encyclopedia article --Htmlism 11:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Enemies 

message: Something to consider is that parts of this article, such as the looking for group window, are now present in the basic game of WoW thanks to patch 2.0.1.  Thus those improvements are, in fact, not part of the Burning Crusade expansion in the sense that all players have full access to them regardless of whether or not they purchase the expansion. 
I would recommend moving any notable information from this article regarding features included in patch 2.0.1 to the main article World of Warcraft, and having this article specifically talk about content and other things that are only availble to players who purchase the expansion CD (eg Blood Elves, expansion instances and zones). Including material here that was released as part of the normal content patch process is misleading. Dugwiki 17:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me.  My only concern would be if some of that information should be added to the World of Warcraft article, but at first glance I don't see anything in the removal that needs to be moved over. Jpers36 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem - 2.0.1 includes all of the expansion content, but some requires having the expansion to access. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 21:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I specifically tried to only delete items that are actively available to all players with the 2.0.1 patch.  For example, everybody now has full access to the lfg window, and everybody is using the honor point system.  So I removed those items from this Burning Crusade article.  However, since most level 61-70 talents and skills and spells and items will only be usable if you have the expansion, I left all that information in this article. Dugwiki 21:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the talents are accessible, and very few skills are not accessible. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 21:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe (am not 100% sure) that in order to level your character past 60, you'll need to own the expansion. If so then the level 61-70 spells and class abilities will not be accessible to characters of players who don't own it.  You are correct, though, that all the talents are accessible to all players (there are no level specific talents).  So I'll also go ahead and remove references to the talents. Dugwiki 21:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Turns out the point is moot; I didn't see any information in this article regarding the new talents.  So there was nothing to remove. Dugwiki 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I applaud your efforts, sir. --Htmlism 00:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: /thank Htmlism Dugwiki 20:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elements already present in WoW as of patch 2.0.1 

message: The text for this article sems to contain several rude references, though when attempting to edit it showed everything as normal.  Any suggestions?
:The rude text was probably vandalism that was reverted while you were trying to edit the article.  If you spot current vandalism, though, feel free to revert it out. Dugwiki 18:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rude Text 

message: I deleted a page which I believe to be a phishing page, asking for users to "upgrade" their accounts to Burning Crusade status, and asking for account information and your BC cd-key.
- ProfGlitch
:That actually was the real page. Anything in the worldofwarcraft.com domain is an offical Blizzard page. Now, I wonder how people knew about it on the 14th... *tries looking innocent* Maged123 03:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted link to phishing page in "links" 

message: I have locked the page due to the possibility of release hype leading to article spam.
--Insanity13 06:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is not currently protected according to the page's logs. I have removed the tag stating it was protected. Also semi-protection is not used as a preemptive measure against vandalism. Have a good day, and happy editing. Kyra~(talk) 11:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page obviously is protected, because I can't edit it.  And now there's not even a tag explaining why. 69.85.180.44 21:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time I posted that message, the page was indeed unprotected. Due to vandalism from anonymous editors however, the page became semi-protected. As for a tag, there is/was one, but it was changed to the little padlock icon in the upper right corner of the screen. Usually that is done if the page is protected for extended periods of time, or as least that is my understanding. I hope this helps to clarify any confusion you may have experienced. Have a great day, and happy editing. Kyra~(talk) 23:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Locked 

message: I really don't think this should be on the main page, isn't there a WoW criticism page? I think it would be more appropriate to put that stuff there. 
Fr0 13:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution Errors 

message: World of Warcraft can be played on Windows ME, but The Burning Crusade cannot run on Win ME. Is this true? Velen117 02:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: System Requirements