Talk:Ned Flanders

message: The trivia section is very unorganized and some of it is not even trivia.  I am going to remove some of the things that are not necessary (as they don't actually have anything to do with his personality or are just unimportant to the article). PhoenixPrince 03:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trvia Section

message: Does the Flander's name also come from Senator Flanders, the US Senator who challenged and stood up to McCarthy during the 1950s?
:I'd always understood that Ned Flanders was named for Ed Flanders, the popular, but now dead, American actor.
::It's surely a coincidence, but has anyone noticed that "NED" is the IOC code for Netherlands and part of Flanders is in the Netherlands? Rwestera 04:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably coincidence. As with many other Simpsons characters (e.g. Rev. Lovejoy), I suspect Flanders' last name is derived from the name of a street in Portland, OR. I don't know where the first name came from, though. 4.242.108.39 (talk) 22:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Since the Leftorium only figures in episodes about Flanders, and as there is not terribly much to write about ("When Flanders Failed" being the only episode where it is prominent), I propose merging and redirecting Leftorium here. - choster 14:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, seems a bit pointless by itself. Definately merge and redirect. Squidward2602 15:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Leftorium

message: Is this really necassary;
"He also possesses a large "package" as featured in the shower scene of Homer's singles dating video made after Maude's death."
Do we really wanna know how well endowed a cartoon character is?
:: Yes, we definitely do.
since Ned's "allure" is a ongoing theme (I'm thinking of Homer's horrified reaction when, on the ski-slope, he thinks of Ned's tight-fitting outfit -- "Stupid sexy Flanders!") it would seem that at least some mention of his attributes is quite appropriate...
--Robertissimo 14:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet he's so humble, he refers to it as his "shrinky-dink" :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 03:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Huge package"? 

message: I don't think it qualifies for the main page, but thought I'd share this:  Sheri Tepper refers to some people as having 'warm, kindly and nurturing Ned Flanders sort of personalities' in her fictional book, The Visitor (page 96). Barefootguru 03:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In literature 

message: I was wondering about Ned and alcohol, in later episodes, like "Viva Ned Flanders" and "Duffless", it appears Ned abstains from alcohol, but in the episode Dead Putters Society, his has a bar with imported beer in his basement? Is this a continuity error or did I miss something?
the one where flanders has alcohol was an early episode when the characters were still being set up, according to the commentary
In the ninth season episode "The Joy of Sect", Ned still has the beer tap in his basement (the beer snaps Homer out of the brainwashing by the Movementarians). I'd say it's just another example of the dynamic continuity of the show. Things are however they need to be for any specific episode.Adiosmofo (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: What episode was it that had him looking all muscled up like MR America....seems like he was standing in the Bathtub?
--[user:nospmis]   9:45, 9 February 2006
I'm pretty sure you are talking about the episode named "Home away from Homer", season 16. --Fishysushi 00:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  question  about Ned Flanders 

message: The article states Ned's age cannot be determined, because although he stated that he was 60 in the season 10 episode Viva Ned Flanders (which aired in 1999 so he may have been born in 1939  Since the characters in The Simpsons haven't aged in 17 years, I think we can assume that he is 60.  If we use the logic in the article when calculating age of the characters, Bart would be 27.  If nobody has any arguments against it, I will change his age to 60 tomorrow. Prometheus-X303- 00:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm more inclined to believe the events of "Hurricane Neddy" (which I agree is a strong indicator of Ned's actual age, as it provides visual and spoken proof), and that and what his file at SNPP.com say (...it is generally accepted that he's in his mid-30s or 40s) indicate to me that he is actually no older than 40 and that he is lying about his age, so the age section of his infobox should be changed to reflect this (Claims to be 60, but looks no older than 40). If not, then perhaps the info on Ned's age should just be removed from his infobox. Starbuck-2 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed the parts about his age since I couldn't find a reliable source about it, and it could've just been a simple mistake on the show. Also, why would he need to lie about his age? It doesn't add up. --AAA! (AAAA) 10:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Isn't the statement that besides Ned all his family's names rhyme with "God"? How does Maude rhyme with God? Maybe that should just be re-worded to say that just his sons names rhyme with God. TJ Spyke 21:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the American pronunciations that sound the same
On the show, it is pronounced to rhyme with god. Sure about that.Fishysushi 01:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: How the heck ELSE would you pronounce Maude? It's just like Claude. It rhymes with God.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 03:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flanders Family Names 

message: There seems to be quite a lot of POV statements in this article. i.e. '"'The Passion of Cain and Abel (the title characters were played by Rod and Todd; Ned played Adam) was a gory homage to Mel Gibson's faith-through-film agenda." Regardless of what one may think of Mel Gibson's prostelyzing, this statement is pretty biased. I've removed a few other statements saying certain things are funny because Ned says them, etc., since they aren't cited from some review or other source. --199.218.252.113 23:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops. Forgot to sign in and also accidently italicized a bunch of stuff. My bad. --Natalie 23:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: They've made Ned's character increasingly unpleasant over the years, the death of his wife is sometimes given as an explanation in fandom, but racist? The prejudices mentioned are against religions not races. I've never seen an episode where they show him as being racist.--T. Anthony 09:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I see where they get this. No, he clearly does not hate Jews. He was quite friendly with Krusty and other Jews when they were in episodes together. Possibly he believes "Jews run Hollywood" judging by that one episode, but it's also possible the dream sequence just represented his fear Hollywood would make his sons abandon Christianity. Wanting your kids to share your faith isn't Anti-Semitic. The Star of David deal is more about his obsessive fear some other belief system will be proven true by a miracle or by reason.--T. Anthony 09:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, he's always been portrayed as getting on fine with the various different ethnic groups in Springfield. I'm removing the category. --Switch 11:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Flanders' name is the origin of the term "Flanderization" for a reason - little by little, his right-wing Christianity has become his most defining characteristic, to the point that he's basically just a caricature. Atypicaloracle (talk) 11:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional racists?

message: Her exclamation "Hello, Joe!" is entirely in keeping with the cutesy rhyming ways of the Flanders family. No Joseph Flanders has ever been mentioned.
:This sort of reminds me how young the demographic generally is for editing articles like this. There's no reason this statement would imply any Joseph. "Hello Joe" was part of an old routine/song. Something like "Hello Joe, what do you know, just got back from Kokomo." (Although where the Joe got back from sometimes varies) This was used once or twice in Mystery Science Theater 3000. I've seen indications it dates back to World War II or in least the late 1950s. Anyway the statement is most likely only meant to imply she's old and senile so spouts old routines/songs--T. Anthony 13:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'Hello, Joe' line is from the opening line in the lyric of a 1939 jazz song, "Well, All Right" recorded by some of the greats - The Andrews Sisters, Ella Fitzgerald, and Tommy Dorsey & His Orchestra - "Well hello Joe, what do you know I just got back from a vaudeville show" https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100123063937AAudZ1l Tadchem (talk) 19:25, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello Joe

message: This statement Ned watches Fox News, as well, though perhaps only for the "weather skanks" (whom he refers to as "hot") seems so out of character I wonder what episode it's from.--T. Anthony 09:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weather skanks?

message: That whole section is just line after line. It needs to be cleaned up so it's nicer lookin'. Razorthe6249th 12:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hobbies and interests

message: I changed "NE Flanders St." to the correct "NW Flanders St." as the inspiration for Ned Flanders' name.  This is backed up from Groening's own words on Simpsons DVD commentaries (Season 9).  --Satyricrash 10:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Directional Difficulties

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replies: text: I added a rationale. I think it's sufficient. --AAA! (AAAA) 06:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: Can someone source that --62.150.178.140 20:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He said it himself in Viva Ned Flanders.  I have added the reference.  GeorgeC 16:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 60 

message: Has Groenig ever commented on who Flanders is modeled after in real life? I've heard tell that he was modeled after one Peter Sipple, headmaster of Moravian Academy, who was at Harvard when Groenig was there. Chubbles 01:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flanders' origin?

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replies: text: The article currently is far too long and does not follow the Wikipedia guideline on writing about fiction. The article should be about one-third its current length. It should not have all that "biographical" information about the character (including his favourite flavour of ice-cream!) but instead needs to be rewritten from a real-world perspective. For example, the article should not have a paragraph explaining why “Ned Flanders” started to sprinkle his speech with the term diddily because of a discipline program; rather the article should explain why Harry Shearer and the Simpsons writers originally chose to voice the character like that. --Mathew5000 03:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently busy with other projects, but I'll clean up as much cruft as I can. -- Scorpion0422 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructuring

message: Hi all,
In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that Ned is still legally married to Ginger, until such time as they tell us otherwise in canon.  Anyone know of a reason this would not be the case?
Thanks - Seansinc 17:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't be mentioned in the lead because it was a 2 episode thing and has little to do with Flanderses character. -- Scorpion0422 17:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the lead paragraph also shouldn't contain an untrue statement.  Herbert Powell has only appeared in 2 episodes, but it would be inaccurate to state "Homer has no siblings".  I know it's a silly subplot, but Ned is still married according to canon -- if you don't think this is important to his character, move the discussion to further down in the article, but don't just lie. Seansinc 15:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said it doesn't belong in the article, I said that doesn't belong in the lead. There's a difference. -- Scorpion0422 15:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right on that.  I've moved the topic to the Romantic Relationships section, where it belongs.  Seansinc 15:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegas wife 

message: Yup, definitely a good article, well-written, referenced, comprehensive enough and it adheres to WP:WAF. I hope to see a beefed up FA-level article one day with lots of analysis on Ned: but this is fine. Alientraveller 21:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA pass

message: sorry if this is off topic.  I searched and could not find any mention of Ned keeping kosher, in the article nor in the Talk: page.  However my son (more knowledgeable than I am about the Simpsons) says that Ned Flanders eats kosher food, "just to be on the safe side".  Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere in the article?  Just my 0.02 Mike Schwartz (talk) 05:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, because it was just a single line in which he mentions this: "I've even kept Kosher just to be on the safe side", and we try to limit one-off jokes and lines like that because otherwise the article would be twice the size. -- Scorpion0422 05:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  keeping kosher 

message: I added a bit of information that came directly from Harry Shearer about a cult in England that dresses up as Flanders, yadda yadda yadda.  I know you don't think "cultural" really means a cult; I only put "cult" because I don't know what else to call it; "group" seems too general to me, and I was referring more to Flanders' influence on them,  rather than any literal translation of the word.  Would you mind if I added it back? - Cubs Fan (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a better source than the Harry Shearer interview? I think somethink like that should have a news report or something because for all we know, Shearer might have been joking. We also don't know a lot about them - is it a serious thing, how many are there, when did they start, etc. -- Scorpion0422 03:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, okay.  I don't think there's anything else that covered it; and it sounds funny, but personally, I don't think Shearer was joking.  But I'll leave it be. -- Cubs Fan (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture influence

message: I would argue that, contrary to the lead sentence, he isn't a recurring character - he is in nearly all episodes.
I would change it, but I am interested to hear others' perspectives first.
--J. Atkins (talk - contribs) 19:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: CHange it to what? We call the non-family members recurring characters because then we don't have to deal POV issues like if it should say "main character" or "semi main character". -- Scorpion0422 19:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm also confused here; he is a recurring character. He isn't a one-off character, nor is he Homer or Bart. From recurring character:A recurring character is a fictional character, usually in a prime time TV series, who is not a main character but who appears from time to time during the series' run. Recurring characters often play major roles in an episode, sometimes being the main focus. This seems to fit Ned to a T. faithless (speak) 19:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is he really recurring? 

message: Should there be a bit about Ned's infatuation with the Beatles, as seen in Bart of War?  Apparently he took Lennon's infamous speech to heart. Burnside65 (talk) 22:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the harm in a one or two line mention, but we should be careful not to pay it undue weight. :) faithless (speak) 23:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, thanks. Burnside65 (talk) 13:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles 

message: "There have been two occasions where Flanders was not voiced by Harry Shearer. In "Bart of Darkness", Flanders's high pitched scream was performed by Tress MacNeille[28] and in "Homer to the Max", Flanders comments about cartoons being easily able to change voice actors and on that occasion he was voiced by Karl Wiedergott."
What about his high pitched scream in the episode where he buys the murder house, and his singing with a womans voice in the church in the episode where Bart falls in love with reverend Lovejoys daughter? --85.89.84.152 (talk) 18:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flanders voiced by others 

message: Ned mentions he has a sister who lives in Capitol City, in When Flanders Failed. Shouldn't she be placed in the info box?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.50.147.108 (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister

message: I cam across this article today and read it in its entirety.  I made some edits because it read more as if it were written by a Bible-pusher.  I made the article a little more neutral.  I also made it read as if Ned is an ordinary person with faults just like everyone else.  The way it read before, it sounded like Ned was the best person in Springfield just for being a Christian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.8.191 (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made Some Edits 

message: Ginger's name links to the article on the plant Ginger, just thought I should point that out. 67.10.113.37 (talk) 14:46, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, CTJF83 17:04, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ginger 

message: Is Flanders in any way based on Mr. Rogers? There definitely seem to be some similarities between the two... 67.10.113.37 (talk) 14:46, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Rogers? 

message: I just noticed that for the names in the infobox, specifically Maude and Edna, only the first name is listed.  Ginger only had a first name and Maude was Maude Flanders but Edna is still Edna Krabappel as far as we know so I think it should be either Maude, Ginger, Edna or Maude Flanders, Ginger, Edna Krabappel.  If nobody responds I'll probably eventually just be bold and change it but I wanted to put it up discussion first. Cat-five - talk 22:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem here. CTF83! 11:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  wives' names in infobox 

message: :Category:Fictional religious workers seems to be tagged as a container, but I don't see an appropriate subcat for this. Also, is the cat intended for those working in an official capacity for a religious organization, as I'm not sure the article mentions Ned in that capacity - seems more that he's just very religious, but his work is separate. --Slivicon (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional religious workers 

message: Someone ought to start an article on the Ned Flanders-themed metal band Okily Dokily, and also add mention of the band in the cultural influence section of this article.  allixpeeke (talk) 23:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Okily Dokily]]

message: In one of the really early episodes of The Simpsons (I forget which one), Flanders is portrayed as African American instead of white. Should this be mentioned in the article? I believe that this was the episode where Homer gets an RV and his family has misadventures in the woods. I don't know if this is worth mentioning or not.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.214.67.173 (talk) 06:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: One time different race

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have noticed that the word Flanderization comes from Ned Flanders' exaggerated Christianity caricature that slowly destroyed his other characteristics. I even think a Flanderization section could be under the Cultural Influence section. I have even noted several news that may potentially be good sources:
*http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/feature/a831352/tv-character-transformations/
*http://www.studentnewspaper.org/the-decline-of-the-simpsons/
*http://honisoit.com/2017/03/why-the-simpsons-couldnt-survive-the-new-millennium/
Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 21:20, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would search academic journals as I would presume one that would be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards would cover this aspect of the character. I'd suggest doing a literature review, and if many/the majority of/the most prominent of the sources describe the character having phases, reorinent the article so that each phase's personality/history is covered separately. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add flanderization 

message: A VERY hallmark characteristic is his speech pattern (e.g. his tendency to add syllables to words, such as his trademark "Okely-Dokely" or "howdy-ho, neighborino"), which I'm surprised the current Wiki entry doesn't make a single mention of it. Can someone add it, please? I was actually trying to look up what it's called since I was trying to look up speech disorders. Thanks! Edwardw818 (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the late response; people often don't read the talk pages. Anyway you'll need to find a reliable independent secondary source that talks about it (see Wikipedia:RS). It can be a magazine article, newspaper article, published book, or academic journal article. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speech problems/impediments? 

message: There is a lot of bias in the episode. It portrays him as a good man, while the show could only intend for this. I added "(seemingly)", to counter with a part to help not bring so much bias. However, My Pants Metal reverted the edit. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit was a violation of WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of bias 

message: Isn't known that Ned was left handed? 172.58.38.217 (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left handed