Talk:Military of the Mongol Empire/Archive 2

message: This article is obviously not a copyright violation, as →Iñgōlemo← points out.  It may need some sourcing, and I will begin that in the next few days.  I intend to remove the tag, unless someone has problems with the article, other than the sourcing issues, once I rectify that problem.old windy bear 23:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NO copyright violation

message: blacksmith is nothing to be ashamed of in Mongol society.
Iron was considered a sacred substance among the Turks and Mongols. It was associated with heaven. That's why the word iron appears in many names. It was a good luck word.
Turko-Mongol peoples generally revered the blacksmith and two of their greatest heroes Temujin (Genghis Khan) and Timur both had names derived from the word for "blacksmith." The Ghuz Turks in particular where considered practically a blacksmithing people en masse at one time.
Wandalstouring 19:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  blacksmith 

message: On in general. The Mongols used composite reflex bows on horseback and longbows. Wandalstouring 20:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bows used 

message: Should this be merged with Military advances of Genghis Khan? It could be either a useful subheading (or two) or a HUGE article as this baby has a lot of expanding potential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samrsharma (talk • contribs) 19:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: merge?

message: Halfway through the article it says "Each Mongol soldier maintained between 2 and 4 horses." Then at the end it says "To ensure they would always have fresh horses, each trooper had around five spare mounts". Although not vastly inconsistent, they are clearly not the same number. Vicarious (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, it isn't really necessary to make the same statement twice, so we could remove one instance. Second, we won't get any accurate figures, so it may be good enough to just say "several horses". --Latebird (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to find a source and updated the info, it still says it twice, but I'm feeling too lazy to fix that. Vicarious (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horse quantity discrepancy 

message: "A general such as Subutai, unable to ride a horse in the later part of his career, due to age and obesity, would have been ridiculed out of most any European army of the time.[citation needed] No one would have respected him, let alone obeyed his orders."
This is pure unreferenced speculation on the writers part. What about Ivar Boneless, for example? This should really be removed unless a reference can be found (which I actually doubt).
-- Wikigeek at gmail  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.106.234 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment about Mongol Leaders 

message: The first sentence of this paragraph is "Most European armies consisted of a few professional men at arms, and knights, and large levies of peasants or militia. Only the Knights and the few professional fighting men trained regularly, and their training emphasized individual combat, such as jousting, rather than group combat tactics." This is both irrelevant and untrue. Maybe someone can rewrite it? Krastain (talk) 00:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it is entirely wrong, but it's at least an oversimplification. A statement like this is relevant as a comparison, but a more specific (and sourced) comparison would of course be better. I don't think I have any suitable material at hand, so someone else will have to try a rewrite. --Latebird (talk) 05:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training and Discipline 

message: Sorry, but keshik is the name of a special guard corps formed by Genhios-khan. By the way, the first defeat came not in 1260 in the battle of Ain-Jalut, but in 1238 under walls of Vladimir in Russia. Алексей03 (talk) 17:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keshik 

message: this citation can be provided by the book "Genghis Khan and the making of the modern world", if someone has it--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed 

message: I know we have the idea of powerfull rider-warriors, but the existance of infantry in mongolian army seems to have been proved, at the very least in levied 'related peoples' and such, if not native. I means, there can't be horses for everyone, and infantry can be better than cavalry for some stuff perhaps, like sieges...
I know the historicity of things like the movie Mongol, the KOEI Genghis Khan games (and others), some comics like a cult classic BD (whom I sadly forgot the name),etc can be debated, but the fact they ALL present foot soldiers may bring a point.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.100.110 (talk) 21:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No infantry? 

message: Any reason the Decimal system section was removed? Cythraul (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't look like it. I reverted the removal. 74.176.213.104 (talk) 10:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decimal system 

message: "In many ways, it can be regarded as the first "modern" military system."  Yeah, by whom?  69.158.139.14 (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this sentence does seem a little vague, perhaps change it? Uhlan talk  03:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:SOFIXIT. I removed the sentence as it is not supported by any source in the article body. --Muhandes (talk) 12:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  First modern military system 

message: I think this article could be improved from this Армия Монгольской империи.--Кардам (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving this article 

message: The Battle of Parwan occurred two years before the Battle of Samara Bend. Should that not be listed as the Mongols first military defeat?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.76.180.230 (talk) 23:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody is sure exactly what happened at Samara Bend - the entire historical record consists of a couple of sentences written by an Arab over a thousand miles away from the event. 104.169.28.113 (talk) 02:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: First Mongol Military Defeat

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