Talk:Face perception

message: Section Development: "A face that is perceived to have a negative emotion is processed in a less holistic manner than a face displaying a positive emotion." This is wrong, the stimuli used in Curby et al. (2012) wear neutral expressions. Holistic processing is inhibited if the encoding person is in a negative affective state.
I am currently cleaning up this section. Trying not to remove anything but a lot of the citations are not only extremely old... but misplaced in context of the claims being made. I also am working hard on making the language less definitive, as a lot of the things have not been empirically proven, but are just findings with suggestive data. A lot of the stuff mentioned is mentioned as if it is fact, and I am making sure to not remove said statements, but to just make it more clear that these are cumulative findings. Michehobson (talk) 01:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article cited incorrectly 

message: Is there any evidence to suggest that human face perception is linked to reading Chinese words?McDogm--172.162.33.57 20:15, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Words As Faces

message: | Youtube, Morphable 3D Face Model —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nadyes (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: "evidence that the other-race effect is larger among White subjects than among African American subjects" Did I miss something or is African American now just a synonym for black or negro?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.216.218.147 (talk) 10:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  when racism is politically correct 

message: This section is a bit unclear to me.
:Differences in own- versus other-race face recognition have been shown across a series of studies. This phenomenon is often referred to as the own-race effect.
I cut out a bunch of stuff, but basically it mentions there is a "difference", but not what the difference is exactly. I'm assuming it's easier for people to recognize faces of people of similar race, but it doesn't say that.
:A meta-analysis, Mullen found evidence that the other-race effect is larger among White subjects than among African American subjects, whereas Brigham and Williamson obtained the opposite pattern.
That isn't very informative unless you know what the difference is exactly. I think it means one study found that one group is better at recognising faces of people of another race, and the other with the other group is better. This should be clarified. Retodon8 (talk) 15:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Own-race effect unclear

message: I've seen facial perception/recognition talked about from animals (specifically crows and bees). Would this be the correct article to add such information? MiltonT (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think yes absolutely. I added to the beginning that the article is mostly focusing on human perception, but I think it would be completely appropriate to add a section going over facial recognition displayed in other animals. Michehobson (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animals? 

message: It should be included in the article walk victor falk talk 18:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Pareidolia? walk victor falk talk 05:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is the scientific term for the face recognition instinct 

message: This doesn't make sense; "While there is no question that most face perception skills are not present in babies, there is evidence of an innate tendency to pay attention to faces from birth." This obviously means that the salient fact - that a face is a face - is innate. And what about all these tags? Redheylin (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Help!

message: It might be interesting to include aspects of the face that help process emotion, or help perceive faces that need more than just holistic appraisal. This might include sclera, the whites of the eyes that help determine emotion and attention. In addition the brow and cheek muscles are also important indicators of emotion and would be relevant to face perception and its uses. Nguyen.M.T (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face Components 

message: The last para of this Sec read as personal research by a non-English speaker : I have tried to render it in more standard English, but I was unable to give meaning to the term "pose" in the context and have deleted the term.
Personal note: I have difficulty recognizing faces but have learned to recognize Japanese kanji largely in terms of their component radicals and my own and others mnemonics. If I become fluent and a competent reader, it will be my 4th language (I have a smattering of several others.) My difficulties reading after CHT have not impacted my learning the Russian or Greek alphabets, or my appreciation of art and recognition of familiar works of art.  I am also an amateur astronomer using my own and suggested asterisms, looking off the fovea (where my amblyopia seems an asset) etc.
Efforts to read with what had formerly been my dominant eye are as curious as swapping eyes and refocussing a telescope: almost a different book and definitely a different field of view (detail, contrast) Is there research on impaired facial recognition in amblyopia?
G. Robert Shiplett 00:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artificial face perception 

message: I think, in addition to Walker studies, the paper by Webster et al. (Nature, 2003 - Adaptation to natural facial categories) should be mentioned.
It tests for adaptation effects in the domain of facial perception, especially in terms of ethnicity and gender. The paper suggests that race, as well as gender effects in face perception can be accounted for by adaptation effects; meaning that depending on you and your daily routines, the perception and judgment of face changes. 
It's a very nice and straight forward approach and I think it is particular valuable because it shows very similar effects for different kind of facial categories, which leads to an unbiased view on the perception of different ethnicities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbansonnet (talk • contribs) 18:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity - Include this paper? 

message: Hi all. I was hoping to create a new sub-section underneath Adult Face Perception involving the advantage of face perception as opposed to voice recognition in the retrieval of semantic information. I would like to know if this is an appropriate article for such a subject, as I am doing this for a college course. Here are some of the references that I would be using to create this section.
 
Hanley, R. J., & Damjanovic, L. (2009). It is more difficult to retrieve a familiar person’s name and occupation from their voice than from their blurred face. Memory, 17(8). 830-839.
Hanley, R. J., Smith, T. S., & Hadfield, J. (1998). I recognize you but I can’t place you: An investigation of familiar-only experiences during tests of voice and facial recognition. The Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology A: Human Experimental Psychology, 51A(1). 179-195.
Yarmey, D. A., Yarmey, L. A., & Yarmey, M. J. (1994). Face and voice identifications in showups and lineups. Applied Cognitive Psychology, 8(5). 453-464.Jabrumbaugh (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Jabrumbaugh and Ditheodorou, and welcome to Wikipedia! Two of the sources you mention are quite old, and as far as I checked, your sources are all WP:primary sources, that is, results of single studies. However, Wikipedia is not an academic paper or essay. Wikipedia articles should preferably be based on reliable, published secondary sources (for instance, journal reviews and professional or advanced academic textbooks) and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources (such as undergraduate textbooks). WP:MEDRS describes how to identify reliable sources for medical information, which is a good guideline for many psychology articles as well. So please, reconsider your choice of sources and use secondary sources instead! With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 15:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm the instructor for these two users, and we discussed in class how to use secondary sources for Wikipedia.  Thanks for the help.  Greta Munger (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Face Advantage 

message: An interesting on-line test devised by the University of Greenwich:  It's reported by the BBC here: "The Metropolitan Police has a team of super-recognisers - police officers who are very good at recognising faces in a crowd who can identify people committing crimes on CCTV. Academics say fewer than 1% of people have the innate ability to be super-recognisers - and they are keen to discover more of them out there." Does anyone have a source for that 1% of people? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super recognisers 

message: I noticed two links in the External links section that don't work:
Are Faces a "Special" Class of Objects?
Perceptual Expertise Network (PEN)
Also, I'm not sure if the "Artificial" section is needed. If so, we should probably expand on it, but since there is a disclaimer at the top of the page directing people to a different page for computer-based facial recognition it seems pointless to include in this article. I would consider adding it to the computer-based facial recognition article if the contents of this section are not already in there. Camjohnson (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes "legalnorms.com" is a domain now up for sale, so I'll remove it. The vanderbilt.edu (Isabel Gauthier) link has moved to here, but looks a bit general. There are two studies on faces reported at the research page, so maybe replace? Tend to agree about the Artificial section, but open to other views. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonfunctional links and questionable section 

message: While reading the development section I noticed that it seems to skip forward and backward regarding the age groups talked about (it goes from information about five-year-olds to seven-month olds to nine-month olds).  This made the section a little more difficult to follow than if the age groups were cited in chronological order.  
Also, one brief correction I would make is to give a quick description of what ERPs are.  I know the word is linked to its own page, but a short explanation of what ERPs are could allow non-experts to  continue reading the article without having to be distracted by going to another wiki page just to find out what ERPs are in general.Dustin Runzo (talk) 18:37, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - I tried to restructure some of the sentencing and make some of the statements a little less "definitive", but as I continued on I realized I'll need more time to actually check the sources they are citing and seeing if they even correlate to the claims they are making. Hoping to do that a little later today. Also, the lines are being heavily blurred between psychology and cognitive science throughout this section I feel like that needs some clean up as well. Michehobson (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development section out of order 

message: I'm planning on adding a section to this article about face perception in individuals with schizophrenia. Here are the sources that I have found so far for this new section: 
1. Megreya, A. M. (2016). Face perception in schizophrenia: A specific deficit. Cognitive Neuropsychiatry, 21(1), 60-72. doi:10.1080/13546805.2015.1133407
2. Tang, D. Y., Liu, A. C., Lui, S. S., Lam, B. Y., Siu, B. W., Lee, T. M., & Cheung, E. F. (2016). Facial emotion perception impairments in schizophrenia patients with comorbid antisocial personality disorder. Psychiatry Research, doi:10.1016/j.psychres.2016.01.005
3. Soria Bauser, D., Thoma, P., Aizenberg, V., Brüne, M., Juckel, G., & Daum, I. (2012). Face and body perception in schizophrenia: A configural processing deficit?. Psychiatry Research, 195(1-2), 9-17. doi:10.1016/j.psychres.2011.07.017
4. Onitsuka, T., Niznikiewicz, M. A., Spencer, K. M., Frumin, M., Kuroki, N., Lucia, L. C., & ... McCarley, R. W. (2006). Functional and Structural Deficits in Brain Regions Subserving Face Perception in Schizophrenia. The American Journal Of Psychiatry, 163(3), 455-462. doi:10.1176/appi.ajp.163.3.455
Dustin Runzo (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The section you've added looks very good. I've added some links to the journals. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face perception in people with schizophrenia 

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message: I'm removed the tags for copyediting and the lead section being too short. Feel free to reintroduce them if you think the article still needs serious work on those fronts. Telemachus12389 (talk) 13:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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