Talk:Seung-Hui Cho/Archive 2

message: * Written in British English (Not American Grammar)
* Cited source build’s motive off hearsay – with no implication of dating
:: | See for yourself
* Does not fit the bill (Described as loner)
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STILL NOT A SINGLE US PUBLICATION TO CITE!
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FACEBOOK COMMENTS ARE NOT A VIABLE SOURCE!
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I TOLD YOU SO!
76.109.163.61 01:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive Section Removal 

message: is the fact that he had a pet fish really relevent?  if others agree that it isnt, someone else will have to delete it, as I'm new.Sierrarose23 07:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and do it yourself.  Do whatever you think needs done (other than change the name of the perp  :)  --Dynaflow 07:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I cant.  The page is locked against unregistered and newly registered editors.  I'm newly registered. Sierrarose23 07:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You win.  You trump my BA Psych.  I'll get on it if it hasn't been done already. --Dynaflow 08:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course it's relevant: this article is a biography, and the fact of his keeping fish is a biographical fact about him --Yksin 17:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Amend: or rather, that is, it would be a relevant biographical fact if indeed he had a pet fish. But I can find no media account mentioning this.  The only mention of a fish in connection with Cho I can find is in a Toronto Star article that mentions his & his roommate's names being on a "pink fish" next to their door -- clearly not a real fish, but some kind of construction paper cut-out. --Yksin 22:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pet Fish 

message: The following passage is incorrect and needs to be revised:
"According to professor Nikki Giovanni who taught Cho in a poetry class in 2005, Cho was "extraordinarily lonely—the loneliest person I have ever met in my life." She said that he whispered, took 20 seconds to answer questions, and took cell phone pictures of her in class. After becoming concerned with his behavior and the themes in his writings, the professor started meeting with Cho to work with him one-on-one. She said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him. After notifying the legal authorities about his behavior, the professor urged Cho to seek counseling, but he refused."
It was actually Professor Lucinda Roy who said Cho Seung-hui was "extraordinarily lonely-the loneliest person I have ever met in my life."  Professor Nikki Giovanni is actually the person who said that it is "crap" when people say that Cho was "troubled".  The cited links for the foregoing passage confirms this.  This needs to be changed.
Lonesome road 19:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misattributed quote 

message: while wikipedia may not be a newspaper article, I think it's important to make sure you add attribution throughout this article. Journalists have to cite everything as police/fire/fbi said, and I think it should be seen in this article too.
Cho Seung-hui was accused of being the shooter in Monday's shooting, university police said. (1) or whatever.
Right now, it reads as if he is definitely the killer, which highly highly probable, but I don't think it's an encyclopedia's job to say who or what did something - especially a massacre. Just give it a written citation, not a footnote, until you get definitive proof from Police, which does not exist yet, that Cho killed everyone in both incidents. 
20:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The important thing is that every assertion made has a reliable external source, such as CNN, BBC, the local police website, etc.  This article is relatively well-sourced in that respect, it is not necessary to use a journalistic style of "police claim...", etc, but rather cite secondary sources. Anthony.moore 23:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Cite in Article 

message: Did anyone publish the full note? I'm guessing probably not since it's probably considered evidence , but I'm still wondering. --Evilturtlefromhell 20:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.. 71.252.244.130 02:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note? 

message: Am I the only person who finds that picture decidedly not-funny? And how did it get in there with an edit lock in place?
Gooshy 23:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image got there because the article wasn't fully protected but semi-protected.  See here for more info. -- P.B. Pilhet 23:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Were you looking for one more uplifting? I think the picture says a thousand words. ~ Rollo44 23:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Um... finding an image online does not mean it's free and can be used on wikipedia. MrMacMan Talk  23:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, not only does the person in that photograph not look anything like anything like the person in the other photographs, but simply tracing the address back to the subdomain gives you a blog which photos of the person, who is definitely not Cho Seung-hui. 71.224.249.33 00:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I think that the section on the female professor that met with him one on one and suggested counseling needs to be reviewed. Honestly, a story like that coming this quickly after the event seems very fabricated. The actual substance of the passage seems fictional and unlikely. Someone should try to confirm this and make sure its not some product of a media outlet or a "creative-minded" individual. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.150.79.160 (talk) 00:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These events are taken from and reiterated in several articles from established news sources, and the citations for which are already present in the article (particularly references 25 and 26, from ABC News and MSNBC, respectively).  I see no reason, at this point in time, to be pointedly suspicious of these anecdotes.  --Noblesavage 02:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section about the female professor? 

message: Was his killings more of a bang bang bang, kill as many people as quick as he can, or was it more spread out like a hostage thing with him talking to his victims or shouting out statements? It would be nice if this article could reflect that somehow. Also, did Cho file the numbers off the guns himself, or were they filed off before he bought both guns? The article just says that the numbers were filed off, it doesn't say "before he bought the firearms" or anything JayKeaton 02:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From all the interview's I've heard it is in my understanding that he just busted into classrooms and started shooting people in the head, people in the front rows first, then he just kept shooting, without saying a thing. In the German class he came and killed almost everyone, then left, the few people that were alive got up and barricaded the door. He went back to that classroom and tried to get back in but couldn't. It's all pretty messed up and I don't understand it. 71.252.244.130 02:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The gun purchases were 100% above-board, apparently, which would mean he filed the serial numbers off himself. Natalie 21:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature of the killings 

message: Can we make sure that every common variant in the news of this guy's name has a redirect to this page? 
*Sueng Cho
* the various ways it's spelled in Korean newspapers
:70.51.11.38 03:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirects 

message: I added this to the sentence on VA Tech's gun laws: "although Virginia Tech students were forbidden from bringing firearms on campus on threat of expulsion.", in the interest of NPOV. --YixilTesiphon Say helloBe shallow 05:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VA Tech gun ban 

message: There's been an edit war of sorts over the perp's name.  There seems to be a consensus on this page that we should be referring to the perp using the name he would have used in everyday life: Seung-hui Cho, rather than using the Korean convention of last-name first.  Can someone who is involved in reverting it please tell me why they're doing it, and could everyone who supports the name change please weigh in?  Thanks.  --Dynaflow 05:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's have a straw poll on which way it should be, that way one side can claim consensus. GarryKosmos 06:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is changing the name back to Korean-style and why? 

message: I see there's now an external link to a url called "www.cho-sueng-hui.info" - is this appropriate?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.219.227.6 (talk • contribs).
: I've deleted the inappropriate site. The third picture is absolutely NOT Cho. Look at the shape of jawbone. It's different from other pictures. Who commits a blunder! I don't know who is in the picture(third), but it is the infringement of his privacy and right. --2SteamClocks 11:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I previously removed it twice.  Can we find out who's repeatedly adding this spam and give them the appropriate warning?  THF 11:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's always the spam blacklist, which will keep it from being added no matter who does it. Natalie 17:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links? 

message: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/
The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two female students and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after his parents worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday.
Cho Seung-Hui had concerned one woman enough with his calls and e-mail in 2005 that police were called in, said Police Chief Wendell Flinchum.
He said the woman declined to press charges and Cho was referred to the university disciplinary system. During one of those incidents, both in late 2005, the department received a call from Cho’s parents who were concerned that he might be suicidal, and he was taken to a mental health facility, he said
--Jake7457 15:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes these incidents are relevant and should be incorporated. I suggest a new sub-section called "Criminal history" or something under "Behaviour" or "Biography". --Kvasir 18:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shooter spent time in mental hospital in 2005 - accused of stalking 

message: Section 5 seems to be about the massacre, not about Cho. There's a section of the same name with virtually identitcal material in it on the main page. I really think it's not needed here. Ikilled007 18:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - that section is not about him. MrMacMan Talk  18:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 5