Talk:Supergirl

message: my first posting. please don't yell, tho' I haven't read the manual (life's too short, kids). I believe yet another kink in the supergirl origin may've been introduced in a comic by evan dorkin (of "milk and cheese" "fame") and sarah dyer (of "action girl"). in this "contranuity", kara-el, if I don't mistake her name, is from krypton's sister planet, argo, is immune to kryptonite, though has a phobia of cold (not shared by other argoans), and remains his cousin. I might be wrong. thanks for your forbearance!
: Welcome. It's customary to sign any discussion posting you have with --~~~~. Don't sweat it, though. (You might want to check out the Sandbox for getting used to the system.) Oh, I also hope you don't mind if I put a section header to this, for neatness. Anyhow, you're thinking of the animated Supergirl, born Kara In-Ze. She has a fear of cold because she and her family were the last survivors of Argo, knocked out of its shared orbit with Krypton after the latter exploded. She and the survivors of her family created stasis chambers designed to let them survive until help arrived. When help did arrive, in the form of Superman, only Kara's chamber was still active and undamaged. She subconsciously fears returning to the cold threat of death. She's technically not related to Kal-El, but they both consider themselves adopted cousins of a sort. If this isn't in the main article already, it should be; if it weren't so late local time, I'd do it myself right now. --Joe Sewell 02:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the information you suggested. --Joe Sewell 17:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supergirl of Planet Argo 

message: I can understand the desire to have Helen Slater as the main pic, but since the article still referred to the Alex Ross artwork, I saw the need to correct the comment, or bring back the picture. I chose the latter, with an appropriate correction to the verbage. I'm not completely happy with the page layout, but it works for me for now. --Joe Sewell 02:30, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brought back the Alex Ross artwork 

message: I don't want feel it's my place to quash someone's point of view on the level of maturity or sophistication of a comic, but is it really accurate to say that the Supergirl books where Linda was an "Earth-born angel" are more mature than most other superhero books?  I read them, and that's not the impression I got at all.  In fact, I had the opposite feeling for these stories, and I thought that they were kind of obvious and gimmicky, like the angel they had serving on the JLU for a couple of years, for another example.  
I don't think we need to editorialize for the reader.  Just explain what the story was about, and let the reader of the article decide for himself (or herself) whether it sounds mature or sophisticated.  
The bit about Lilith being Adam's first wife is also a little vague and out of context.  Why put in that bit at all?  Just link to Lilith's own article.
And on another note, the grammar in that section is all out of whack (a young boy who [sic] she believed was God).  At the very least it should be fixed up for that reason.
Mael-Num 07:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firey Wings = Sophisticated? 

message: I have just reported the recent 3RR violation by the anonymous user 24.168.61.123. You can look at it or add comments at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:24.168.61.123 That's just the beginning of the policies his recent edits ignore, but one thing at a time; a block for a clear-cut 3RR is not something he can fail to notice, and maybe that will get him engaging in some kind of dialogue. Or, failing that, just leaving the article alone, which would be less good but also acceptable. PurplePlatypus 05:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  3RR 

message: By no means expert in DC stuff, let me raise a Q. Isn't the "first app" tag reserved for the gennie item? OK, Jimmy's "wish girl" was super, but was she Supergirl? I'd say no, Supergirl deubt in Action 252, which is where the Overstreet & Comics Journal (as I recall) both put her. So whassup with Action 123?  Trekphiler 09:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supergirl? 

message: Should there be a separate paragraph for the last survivor of "Argo" named Kara in the Superman/Aliens miniseries? Kaijan 19:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kara from ''Superman/Aliens''

message: "We all know that logically a young girl cannot be physically stronger than a grown-up man, we also know from the DC event "One Million" that a Kryptonian gains more powers the more he stays under a yellow sun, but, considered that the only sources at the moment on Kara are an interview to her main author and the comics, we can easily read that the current plot device is the feeling of uneasyness of the superhero community for a young girl that _they_ perceive as unnaturally strong, even compared to Superman's standards."
I don't think it is impossible for Supergirl to be stronger than Superman. My reasoning is that this incarnation of Supergirl is technically older than Superman, thus it is probably that her powers are more developed. in the Superman/Batman comic book Superman meets an "older" and "stronger" Superman, which suggests that this incarnation of Superman's power is still developing. anyways its still too early everything new talked about is left to speculation.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.31.180.15 (talk • contribs) 
It's all moot anyway - Superman IS more powerful than Kara and it's all explained in Issue 5 of the most recent series.
--Charlesknight 12:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relative strength

message: Matrix lived with/was raised by the Kents, but did they refer to her as their daughter? I can't remember. --Chris Griswold 14:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe so. --Joe Sewell 16:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Nevermind. I checked my Supergirl comics, and they do refer to her as their daughter and have a loving parental relationship with her. After the merge, they continue to maintain that relationship, and become friends with Linda's birth parents as well. --Chris Griswold 19:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matrix and the Kents 

message: I added a section about the original (Pre-Crisis) Kara Zor-El's last appearance, in the 1988 Christmas with the Super-Heroes #2, in which she cheers up Deadman Boston Brand at Christmastime. This is a relevent and important part of the Supergirl mythos: an actual goodbye and remembrance of the character. While I can understand if someone might edit the section, I would like to see it stay. --Chris Griswold 20:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris, could you provide a source for the rumor about the story's impact on Waid?  While I don't think rumored information belongs in the entry, informed speculation that could be referenced and cited would be OK.  (For example, I'm thinking of a statement from someone who worked at DC with Waid at the time -- someone who might actually know the circumstances of his having left the position.)--Galliaz 21:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you're right. I decided to start trying to find out about this, but forgot to delete it. Will do that now. --Chris Griswold 22:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris, I forgot to mention that the section is a nice addition to the entry!--Galliaz 03:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Acquaintance Be Forgot 

message: Since it seems that all of the other Supergirls (Matrix, Linda Danvers, Cir-El and Power Girl) have their own articles, should we turn this article into a Kara Zor-El only article, or make an article devoted only to Kara? Coronis 02:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ChrisGriswold and I have been talking about the very same thing. We thought that moving Kara Zor-El to her own page would be more appropriate. (Obviously much of that interchange happened before your additions to the Matrix page). CovenantD 02:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kara Zor-El only? 

message: if you guys want to give Kara another article, her history in this one needs to be severely cut down or we have two articles saying the same thing.
:Not only that, we can combine the two Kara Zor-El sections into one. Also make major re-edits. A lot of her biography is covered in her own article already. We don't need to give too much detail. Let this article be about the different characters who are called Supergirl and some background info only. --Destron Commander 14:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kara Zor-El split 

message: Is it really appropriate to have a Superwoman listing here, since she/they has/have her/their own article? CovenantD 18:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it mentions her as a precursor and doesn't really go into detail.  Exvicious 03:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superwoman 

message: What's the source on Superman beginning to the end of JLU being 10 years?  I realize it might have been 10 years in real time, but time passes differently for comic characters.  So which holds true in this case, real time or comics time (or neither, or a combination)? Darquis 22:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Supergirl in other media, particularly the line and citation about DC wanting Superman to be the only surviving Kryptonian at the time. DonQuixote (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  DCAU 

message: Kara is described by the Question and Gilbert Hale as
‘She’s just a girl! Blonde hair, blue eyes – real farmer’s daughter type!’
‘And a handshake like a vice?’
(Fearful Symmetry, Justice League Unlimited)
Should this be removed? I watched this eposide today and the statement was about Galatea, her clone. While both had the same appearance, they don't share the same personality.
If the info is incorrect, then yes, it should be removed or transferred to Tea's article. CovenantD 14:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote Removal? 

message: It's been a while since I saw the fifth season of JLU, but is the recent edit that says the animated Supergirl is staying 28,000 years in the future correct?  I know she's with the animated version of the LSH, but the comic version is only a millennium ahead. --Joe Sewell 16:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The comic-book LSH was from the 31st century, making it roughly AD 3000. I seem to recall they may have played around with that for the JLU incarnation, which is why I'm not sure, either. --Joe Sewell 16:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Please don't rely on your memory. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If I weren't very knowledgable about the topic, yes, I'd research it. The Legion's time being one thousand years in the future is a core part of the concept; you apparently aren't very familiar with the Legion, so I would ask that in the future, when writing about that topic, please double-check. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to ask that you be calm in your responses. I mean no offense by asking you to make aure you have the correct information before adding it to an article. I have no higher rank. I understand that you have admitted your mistake and now have apologized, and I appreciate that. I do not believe I have impolite or inconsiderate, but I have found your responses to be more dramatic than necessary. We're both working to improve Wikipedia; I'm not your enemy. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 08:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chill out, Chris. I suspect many of us edit from memory, rather than have stacks of references handy. If that's not "appropriate" here, then maybe Wikipedia isn't the right place for most of us fallible humans. Besides, as I said, I seem to recall some slight differences in the DCAU version of the Legion, which could've included its point in time. (Now, see, I realize I don't remember for sure, which is why I brought it up here rather than just fix it in the article.) --Joe Sewell 16:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't understand what the problem was. I asked him to double check to be sure what he is adding is corect and was called inconsiderate and impolite. I don't need to chill out because I'm not upset. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate a more reasonable tone from an editor. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 20:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is your arrogance upset me. I'm all for researching, but that was a human mistake. And your tone when you write is awful and unpolite. That's why I feel angry. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel about the issue.--The Judge 21:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please cease the personal attacks. Comment on actions, not editors. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? *you* attacked me. I'm only trying to explain it to you it wasn't nice.--The Judge 21:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's review: So far, I've asked you not to rely on your memory, to research a topic when you are not knowledgable about it, and to make sure the information you add is correct. You have questioned my manners and have called me impolite, inconsiderate, and arrogant. I'm finished with this conversation. Please remember to be civil in your future dealings with editors. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's was my whole point! You need to be civil, Chris!! You were, I only pointed it out--The Judge 08:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kara In-Ze 28,000 years in the future, or 1,000? 

message: ===Discussion===
Spearheaded by edits from The Judge, this "Supergirl" article has returned to being very Kara-centric.  Initially, I thought there would be more resistence, but there have been no reverts as I can see.  The problem is that now we have pretty much two of the same article with Supergirl and Kara Zor-El.  So either we radically re-edit "Supergirl" or merge "Kara Zor-El."
I support The Judge's argument that Kara's "return" ends up making all the other Supergirls footnotes in history.  Kara was Supergirl for about 25 years before Matrix.  Matrix was Supergirl from about 1988-1996.  The Linda Danvers/Matrix Hybrid was "Supergirl" for 4 years and Linda Danvers was Supergirl solo for two years after they split.  Cir-El was Supergirl for a little under a year, I think.  Then we have the return of Kara who will probably be Supergirl for the forseeable future.
The argument against that is "there's four supergirls, people will get confused."
Anyway, I vote merge, or someone needs to seriously edit the Supergirl article -- Exvicious 07:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion: Merge with "Kara Zor-El" 

message: Spearheaded by edits from The Judge, this "Supergirl" article has returned to being very Kara-centric.  Initially, I thought there would be more resistence, but there have been no reverts as I can see.  The problem is that now we have pretty much two of the same article with Supergirl and Kara Zor-El.  So either we radically re-edit "Supergirl" or merge "Kara Zor-El."
I support The Judge's argument that Kara's "return" ends up making all the other Supergirls footnotes in history.  Kara was Supergirl for about 25 years before Matrix.  Matrix was Supergirl from about 1988-1996.  The Linda Danvers/Matrix Hybrid was "Supergirl" for 4 years and Linda Danvers was Supergirl solo for two years after they split.  Cir-El was Supergirl for a little under a year, I think.  Then we have the return of Kara who will probably be Supergirl for the forseeable future.
The argument against that is "there's four supergirls, people will get confused."
Anyway, I vote merge, or someone needs to seriously edit the Supergirl article -- Exvicious 07:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: * Merge per my nom above  Exvicious 07:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I did some work tonight, and I want to make sure I explain it. I copy edited the entire article, fixing the tense and condensing where necessary. Some sections were unnecessarily long, particularly since the article itself says that pre-Crisis Kara is the best-known version, and her section was less detailed than some of the others. I also took out a "powers" section that is redundant with regard to the one in the Kara Zor-El article and which pertained to that character alone despite the article describing a number of characters. I also re-ordered to article to reflect actual publication history as tends to be the format for these articles.
Oh, and I linked to Streaky and Comet. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 10:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job.  In this format, do you think there should still be a superhero box? Exvicious 10:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I really don't. The SHB is not right foir this type of article, just as the team and series SHBs would be ill-fitting. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edits 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Helen Slater as Supergirl.png

message: The entry has to provide complete citations: "an interview in the TV Guide" is not OK.  We must include the date upon which the interview appeared in print (or online).--Galliaz 17:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smallville info 

message: How is that noteworthy?--Marhawkman 05:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed references to the film from the entry.  It is not a notable media depiction, and the most recent edit about it, which rehearsed one side of the facts in a possible dispute with the producers of Smallville over intellectual property rights, did not enhance the entry.--Galliaz 18:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fanfilm??? 

message: *nominaton/merge - Due to the multiple interpretations and incarnations of Supergirl in the past 50+ years, the current separtion of alternate verisions framents the article.  The amount of information that would not be reduplicated would not be enough to put the page over 36Kib. In short, for the purposes of style and cohesion the pages should be merged, and size is not a factor. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: note: the fictional character biographies in this article can be removed since the individual character articles have full biographies- its unnessecary detail. This article should only focus on the publication history of the use of "Supergirl" EX: how supergirl came to be, and the real world impact of the various character's use in mainstream DC publications Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[Alternate versions of Supergirl]]

message: I see that powergirl has been added to the main box as a canon Supergirl however I can't remember her ever using the title. She is Kal-L's cousin and a parallel Kara but as far as I'm aware was always Powergirl even on Earth-2. I'd agree she should be listed as a variant on the Supergirl concept but that she was an actual 'Supergirl'. For example if Linda had called herself Mighty Maid she wouldn't have been Supergirl despite Kara having gone by that name previously. 90.201.210.239 (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powergirl 

message: Supergirl is currently on volume 5 yet only 4 are listed. Volume One is the 1-10 series mentioned that ran from 72-74. Volume Two also stars Kara Zor-El and began as the Daring New Adventures of Supergirl and ran for 23 issues from 82-84. Volume 3 was the 4 issue matrix mini series and volume four starred Linda Danvers. We are now on 5 again starring Kara Zor El. Can this be fixed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.150.182.224 (talk) 20:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  publication information 

message: I think it is unclear that this character is in fact Linda Danvers. They made comments that she LOOKED like Linda, but Linda stopped being an Angel after issue 50 of her own series, she never had feather wings (only firey ones), and she acted a little strange and out of character. It was never truly established that she was ACTUALLY Linda Danvers and the character that appeared seems vastly different than Linda ever was. Linda was never a "child" of Lilith as it was implied and honestly, I can see now way other than by name association and the fact that many characters (all acting rather out of character themselves) mentioned her being Linda/Supergirl.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.163.32 (talk) 04:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linda "recalled" to Hell? 

message: I read DC comics throughout the 1960s.  Never was a last name given for Kara.  Her parents were Zor-El and Alura.  "El" was the family name and was tagged onto male family members.  The custom regarding female children was not discussed during that time.  If she was given a last name, it could be "El" or the family name of her mother.  In the movie, "Supergirl", she identified herself as "Kara, daughter of Zor-El and Alura.  I think that she should be identified in the article simply as "Kara" until you get to the different versions of her where she is identified as "Kara Zor-El" or by other names.74.110.233.92 (talk) 15:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to research this but I'm pretty sure the "Kara Zor-El" name was applied sometime in the 60s or 70s.OBloodyHell (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kara's Last Name 

message: Folding Supergirl (comic book) into this article makes sense at this point given the states of both articles.
At this point Supergirl (comic book) is little more than a content fork from here. Merging it in would give this article the out-of story context it needs.
- J Greb (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Did Supergirl ever have sex?  Just curious.  Anybody got any RS?  Thanks.  69.236.142.83 (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a brief approach to that subject in this essay: Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex --Simon Le Bon (talk) 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Depends on which version i guess. Its heavily implied that the post-Crisis Matrix Supergirl had a sexual relationship with Lex Luthor. Highly doubt it was ever shown or stated, but they lived together and dated and slept in the same bed. Stands to reason they did... Planeis (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex 

message: There is surprisingly little here about the artists of Supergirl in her 50+ year tenure. The array of well known comic artists who did so, particularly either notable appearances and/or long runs, ought to be at least mentioned briefly in passing, if not in a separate section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.170.247.45 (talk) 06:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for improvement: Artists 

message: I've noticed recently that someone, who, by their username, appears to be related to Albert Plastino, is changing the article's infobox to list him as the artist who created Supergirl instead of Curt Swan.  The problem is that when I looked at the article, I saw that the lead now also says that Plastino created her, but I don't see anything in the main body that answers who really did.  Does anyone know which is the correct artist, so we can have the article and infobox match and nip this in the bud?  rdfox 76 (talk) 05:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swan or Plastino? 

message: Supergirl has been drawn by a remarkable number of talented and historically significant comic book artists. I'd suggest some love is due to them in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OBloodyHell (talk • contribs) 03:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The usage and topic of The Super Girl is under discussion, see talk:Supergirl (Japanese TV series) -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 06:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Super Girl"

message: Dated July / August 1951, Superman builds a robot Super Woman in the second story, "The Anti-Superman Club".(83.39.37.19 (talk) 15:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Superman 71

message: The infobox should be shortened because it should not just into the main body of the article. BaronBifford (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: hi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.18.91.202 (talk) 09:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi 

message: The link for "Alternative versions of Supergirl" under "Other Versions" within the article redirects to the top of the page and does not offer any further information on the material. I saw that there was a consensus to merge the article "Alternative Versions of Supergirl" as of December 1st 2020 (as seen here [] ) however it seems this article was deleted without any information actually being transferred. I am unsure how this should be handled.
Cassandra Prime (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge improperly implemented?

message: Ok, well I feel like I've given more than sufficient notice about the issues in the "Other Versions" section of this page. I'm going to take it upon myself to do it, and essentially merge the now non-existant "Alternative Versions of Supergirl" page that the link in the section once redirected to with this page. Making this post, and giving it another week or so, on the slim chance someone will voice an objection to this, and as a record, but as the above post was made about a month ago, I doubt there will be. Any feedback on the decision to make this change, before or after the change, is much appreciated.
Cassandra Prime (talk) 00:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well its two years and a week later, but that's close enough, haha. No objections were voiced so I'll go ahead Cassandra Prime (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete Rework of Alternate Versions Section

message: The article list various Supergitl appearances, however missed the  first appearance of Supergirl along with Superboy in Adventure Comics no. 278 in 1960.  Supergirl is on the cover and the story was a 12 page story written by Georgd Papp about Supergirl going back into time th o Superboy's era. It is often mentioned th as t the ffg first Suprtboy/Supergirl story is in issue no.80 of Superboy. But that wasn't until 1961. This is the original meeting story (Adventure 278) of Superboy/Supergirl. 2601:483:C300:AF00:2C6E:BCAF:979E:762C (talk) 07:39, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction consideration.  The article states Supergirl appearances in Adventure Comics. The first appearance of Supergirl is in Adventure Comi cs was in Adventure #278 in 1960. She appears on the cover and a 12 page story written by Papp. Furthermore this is the first appearance of Superg iijwith Superboy.