Talk:Miss Shilling's orifice

message: Most historical and aviation engineering books I have read on the Spitfire/Merlin refer to this device as "Miss Tilly's Diaphragm". I have never heard it referd to as "Miss Shilling's orifice".59.101.71.235 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: Wouldn't it be more logical to add this page to the one on the Rolls-Royce Merlin?Minorhistorian (talk) 12:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this page separate?

message: I understand that "To Miss Shilling's Orifice" is still a toast in RAF fighter mess. Anyone have a ref?  Andy Dingley (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: RAF toasts

message: An illustration, diagram and/or photograph would be nice. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration 

message: Hello. Do we know if Ms Shilling was comfortable with her invention being labelled "Miss Shilling's oriface". If not, there is a risk that this is a grubby workshop joke now being propagated by Wikipedia. Maybe "R.A.E. restrictor" would be a better title? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: A requested move does not mean apply the template then move the article, a discussion must take place and consensus gained for the move. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 07:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Undiscussed move

message:  Tddhoz (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Wikipedia:Content disclaimer. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 11:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The name 'Miss Shilling's orifice' is contained within the article, so removing it as the title would not be "censorship". Searches for that term will still bring the article up. Seeing this type of reductive, dismissive "joke" applied to the female anatomy (especially when it's in reference to a skilled female professional), not just mentioned in the article (which is fair enough, since it's a term that was used historically) but used as the title of a the article, has the potential to have a harmful effect on female readers, and supporting its retention is hardly a "neutral" action. Tddhoz (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please read the pages that I have linked in blue, to change the no censorship policy you would need to put forward your case at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. There is a guideline of not 'biting the newcomers' but so far you have ignored all and any Wikipedia consensus practises, no rational conversation can take place while that is happening. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 12:36, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

text: That is bordering on a personal attack on two editors (WP:NPA), I can only assure you that your thoughts are very wide of the mark in my case. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 12:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to see how my statement about my own experience could be construed as "bordering on a personal attack". Wikipedia has a problem with gender bias, partly because there are so few female editors. This is a fact documented in Wikipedia itself. It's a fact that might be worth bearing in mind when someone is asking that an article title be changed to one that is accurate without being offensive to women. A common name that is offensive to a group of people is not "neutral", and that seems to be what Wikipedia doesn't understand. But I'm not trying to convince you of anything – just trying to convey why the current set-up feels like a closed shop. Tddhoz (talk) 13:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Additionally, I think we're heading into WP:BADGER territory.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have raised an ANI case concerning this user and article at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, sorry but I will not tolerate attacks on my character. We need to let the administrators decide the way forward. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 13:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Recommending that we read an article on gender bias would, to me, appear to say that we are unaware of this problem and biased, again very wide of the mark. Until my recent retirement I worked as an engineer for a large and very successful motor sports team/company with very strict HR policies and an active diversity recruitment stance. I was asked to look after new starters/work experience students/interns and reassure them in what could be an intimidating environment (mostly down to sheer technical complexity). Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 14:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change article title from "Miss Shilling's orifice" to "RAE Constrictor"