Talk:Grief knot

message: This is a great trick knot. It's primary use is as a trick, or to complete the set in the "Reef Knot Family". It could be mentioned as a REALLY bad bend, but it *is* a trick knot, isn't it? It's mentioned in the List of trick knots already - Adxm 21:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it to be in the binding knot category for consistency with the rest of the reef knot family.  Apparently can be used as a bend in flat material like grass where it's called a Grass bend ABOK #1490, and with the ends pulled back forming two interlocked half-hitchs and seized to become the Reeving-line bend #1459.  However I completely agree that until these variations are pictured and discussed fully, it's probably best to discourage the use of the Grief knot except as a trick knot...  --Dfred 05:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trick Knot" instead of "Bend" 

message: Changed "Its name is a portmanteau" to "Its name is an example of a portmanteau" (when I first read the article, I thought the knot itself was alternatively named a "portmanteau knot"!)
Mtford 00:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarified "portmanteau" sentence 

message: Existing text:
>>To tie the grief knot, create a bight in the end of a rope, with the standing part on the left and the free end on top. Then take the other end, and pass it up through the bight, over the top of the bight, down and up through the bight again to go over the bottom of the bight, and then finally up through the bight to come out where the end first went in. The second end has thus taken an anticlockwise tour of the bight, going alternately under and over every line it encounters.<<
Suggested text:
>>To tie the grief knot, tie a single overhand knot as if starting a square/reef knot, then thrust the two free ends together down through the center of the overhand.  Twist the free ends to form half hitches to lock, twist the other way for the granny-like configuration that rolls apart when the standing parts are pulled.<<
Reason:
The existing text is a literal description apparently derived from a picture of the finished knot.  The suggested method is extremely easy to remember.
Help please:
I'm a newbie, so I'll leave it to others to make the change, unless no one responds in the next few weeks.  Further editing (e.g., deleting the second sentence of the suggested text) may be needed for compatibility with other paragraphs in the existing text.
--Bh23b (talk) 18:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it.  It is a much more straight forward method.  I put in the article, with a few minor wording changes.  Also prompted me to make some other improvements to article.  Thanks.  --Dfred (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simpler method of tying 

message: I believe that this knot is the same as the water knot. That article is quite good, and its contents do not overlap very much with this one. I think both articles would be improved if they were merged into one. —Mark Dominus (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You would need some evidence to show they are the same The Ashley Book of Knots gives them different numbers, they have different applications.--Salix (talk): 06:01, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox on this page says they're the same. —Mark Dominus (talk) 03:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at this animation  it makes it very clear they are not the same knot. Our description leaves a lot to be desired which might cause the confusion.--Salix (talk): 07:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: These two knots (water knot and grief knot) clearly do NOT have anything in common. They are NOT the same! Admin, please remove infobox from water knot page, thx. --SlackPro! (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[water knot]]