Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish Christianity/Memorandum of Understanding

message: Allow me to vent first...  I really hate the acrimonious debates between MJ editors and J editors.  MJ articles/templates being deleted, any mention of messianic topics being reverted from articles, personal attacks or attacks against a religion...it's terribly nasty.  WP should not be this nasty.  I've seen other contentious topics be resolved in a much more civil fashion, and cannot understand why this one isn't handled in the same way.
To address this, I think we need a MoU to specify what kind of treatment messianic topics should receive from non-messianic Jews here on WP.  (And vice versa.)  I think it's pretty clear that normal WP policies, procedures, and guidelines fail us—there's simply too much emotional investment in the issue for many people to keep their objectivity about them.  Such a MoU doesn't rise to the level of a WP guideline, because I don't think WP should be issuing guidelines that treat specific situations.  But I think it can be a "gentlemen's agreement" that both sides can reference, and honorably try to work out differences.  Think of it as a way of looking at the general WP guidelines applied to this specific interfaith situation, so that we don't have to reinterpret and rehash the same debates time after time after time.  Basically, we should be able to outline a set of expectations, backed by referenced WP guidelines, that will be consistently applied.  Can that be so hard?
Will this idea succeed?  To be honest, I don't have real high hopes for it, given what I've already seen.  But I'm an optimist, and I believe that G-d can work miracles even today. ☺ So let's try. ⇔ ChristTrekker 21:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  purpose and intent (i.e. what this page is for) 

message: Just a basic question: Shouldn't a user who self-identifies as a "CHRIST-Trekker" recuse himself from a serious discussion that wishes to assert that "Messianic (read: Christian) Jews/Judaism" is/are "also Jews/Judaism"? Would one assume the neutrality of someone who chose provocative user names such as a Muhammad-Trekker could be neutral about Islam vs Judaism or a Buddha-Trekker about Buddhism vs Judaism issues??? User:ChristTrekker should immediately withdraw from this discussion until such time as he can demonstrate that he is not an agent for Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity. IZAK 10:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Christ" offends you so much that you can't even see the printed word in a discussion?  Good grief.  Word: yeah, I've got a POV, but so do you.  I'm all about fairly representing that on WP.  WP:AGF—ad hominems because of my choice of nick are rather childish, don't you think?  "An agent for Wikiproject Christianity"...uff-da, do you think there's some kind of black hat conspiracy going on???  Are you serious??? ⇔ ChristTrekker 17:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi ChristTrekker: Point of order: I am not offended by the neutral use of the word "Christ" when used in a clear, unconfused and non-deceptive manner. In any case, the way Christians use and understand the word "Christ" is not NPOV and on Wikipedia it should NOT be used at all, but rather the name Jesus should be used to denote when a reference is being made to the one whom Christians have accepted to be as their "Christ"/"Messiah"/"Annointed One" and whom they regard as a part of God through the Trinity, (have you studied this stuff by the way?) By using the word "Christ" as you do,(translation from the Greek meaning "annointed" referring to Jesus only according to Christianity) and which by definition would mean that one accepts that Jesus was Christ which is a POV since not everyone agrees that Jesus was indeed "christ" and indeed most people on Earth do not accept him the way Christians do, such as Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists or Atheists. So please let's stay on track here and face the fact that it is you that has chosen a name that is bound to evoke and create tension as it indicates that you want to impose the CHRISTian view of CHRIST, which is not acceptable in a discussion where you claim to want to create an "understanding" with non-Christians. What have I not made clear? IZAK 12:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My nick is an identifier for who I am.  Yes, I am an unabashed follower of Jesus Christ.  You make the assumption that because of this, I am incapable of editing and contributing to WP in an unbiased way.  My nick is not part of the WP article space, is it?  Were my nick anything else, I would still hold the same views and still edit in the same way, but you'd have nothing to comment on.  Therefore, all your comment here has done is make evident your own bias. ⇔ ChristTrekker 20:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can something with "Christ" in it be Jewish or speak for Judaism? 

message: There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inter-religious content that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project proposal 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism/Memorandum of Understanding → Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish Christianity/Memorandum of Understanding – Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 September 10. ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:09, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  requested move