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Talk:Raymond FitzGerald

message: Please note that the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition could not take advantage of the four volumes of Orpen which constituted the first serious in-depth historic analysis of the Norman invasion into Ireland. (A lot of research has been published since then too but nothing compares in its overall significance to this milestone by Goddard Orpen.) This means that the text taken from the Britannica is seriously outdated. I've just updated the discussion about his death. The original text assumed him to have died c. 1182 even if we know that he was still alive in 1185. The rest should be checked as well against current literature or preferably written from scratch. Raymond le Gros deserves a better article! --AFBorchert (talk) 23:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have updated some of this but I have tons more that I can put in when I get a chance later, I have only touched on Roche's entries on Le Gros, and want to cover other sources such as nicholas Furlong, TW Moody and others.--Jaquesdemolay92 (talk) 09:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1911 text is outdated! 

message: This isn't a French epithet, it's an Anglo-Norman epithet. A literal translation would be "big", but compare to "der große" in German, or to usage of words for "big" as epithets in many other languages, such as "magnus" in Latin, "μέγας" in Greek, "stórr" in Old Norse, or "great" in English. It seems likely this epithet was not intended to be insulting, although Geraldus Cambrensis possibly alludes to a double meaning when he discusses Raymond's figure: "quanquam carnosa superfluitate ventre turgescens". 14.2.175.53 (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A note on Raymond's epithet would be a good addition to the article. The thing is that we can't do it without a reliable secondary source that covers his epithet.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 01:40, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Le Gros? 

message: How's it known that "He was certainly alive when John of England came to Ireland in 1185."?
Looking at The Annals of Ulster p. 200, Mac Carthaigh's Book p.70, The Annals of Boyle p.292 and The Annals of  Loch Cé p.164-165, it can be supposed that some time between 1181 and 1183, someone variously named as "Remmon", "Remunn" and "Remund" was killed at Lismore, alongside Miles de Cogan, the sons of Robert FitzStephen and some other knights, as they rode for Waterford, but were intercepted by MacTire, king of Uí Mac Caille.
In The Annals of Clonmacnoise (a C17th English translation of a lost Irish chronicle) p.214, it's specified that this is "Raymond de la Grosse". This could very well be due to an erroneous supposition of the translator, but without evidence for Raymond's life beyond 1183, it may need to be considered. 14.2.175.53 (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longevity
Talk:Raymond III, Count of Tripoli

message: , thank you for your comprehensive copyedit. I am really grateful for your hard work. Now I can make a GAN. Have a nice week. Borsoka (talk) 01:01, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: Hi Borsoka, what didn't you like about these changes?
* "Her husband's jealousy gave rise"": the leading pronoun is ambiguous, easier to name him.
* "When appointing Hodierna to the regency for her son," is a bit confusing as it's the first time the appointment is mentioned.  Clearer to satate that the appointment happened, then clarify that it was at odds with his wishes.
Cheers, – SJ + 01:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, I love this series of articles and am learning a lot from them; no strong feelings about these copyedits, just trying to improve the clarity and flow. – SJ + 01:44, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Agree, clarity could be improved, but I think MoS should also be taken into account. For instance, "however" is a word to avoid. Borsoka (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aha!  I see :)  – SJ + 15:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referents
Talk:Antiochian Western Rite Vicariate

message: According to its own website the Western Rite Vicariate does not have a parish in Detroit.
Does anyone know if this parish still exists and to which Church it belongs?--178.6.254.91 (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the Church of the Incarnation? 
Talk:Richard de Redvers

message: "uterine brother to King William"  Is that a twin brother or a half brother (same mother)?  Also, which King William was this?  (King William I of England?) RJFJR 15:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still unsure which King William. But a uterine brother is a brother with the same mother but a different father (form of half-brother).  RJFJR 03:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going with William I of England. RJFJR 03:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Richard of Ilchester

message: I apologise, I had by chance had an amazon listing up open at that moment that had oddly, and wrongly, spelt the name "Pryde". I should have checked before correcting it. SamWilson989 (talk) 07:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, Sam. I did a Wikipedia search on 'Pryde' and found two other instances to correct ... no doubt Amazon was to blame there too! - Xenxax (talk) 11:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  My last edit
Talk:Blitz (character)

message: Would someone please add a picture to this site?  I  think it would be an improvement.  Ben 10 10:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Вот такая, понимаешь, загогулина получается)))))  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.235.67.137 (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blitz is a weird boy
Talk:Aniu

message: I'm still unsure about this one, as Wolf Quest can be considered non-canon to the original Balto movie. In an interview (here: http://fluke.theicecave.org/whitewolf.shtml ) it is noted that someone who actually worked on the original film has stated that the White Wolf is not Balto's mother.
You don't have to edit the article and add this in, but maybe add it to a new section or something.
58.105.177.134 07:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aniu & The White Wolf 

message: Would someone please add a picture to this site?  I  think it would be an improvement.  Ben 10 10:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Hi all. I added the unreferenced tag to the article. To be honest, I earlier had put a prod tag on, which was removed. Since I see now that there is active participation here, I went with the unreferenced tag instead. Someone (not me) had listed this page under the Notability Project, which is how I found it. I don't intend to go any further here, but there are plenty of folk who will happily afd unreferenced "fancruft" type pages. Best all. Xymmax (talk) 14:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources and notability please

message: I just visited this page in passing and wanted to mention that it's not very encyclopedic to have a fanfiction section. I'd edit myself but truthfully I have my doubts that this character even deserves its own page. 68.40.134.107 (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A fanfiction section? really?
Talk:Robert I, Count of Dreux

message: In the discussion of the wives of Robert I, Count of Dreux, his first wife is described as
    1. Agnes de Garlande (1122–1143), daughter of Anseau de Garlande, count of Rochefort.
but in the article about her father, Anseau de Garlande, his date of death is given as 1118 and the cause of his death is given. 
One of these facts has got to be wrong. Shouldn't "circa" or "estimated" be added to Agnes's birthdate?
It would also be appreciated if some hint as to where in France the Dreux lands could be found. Robert I is the beginning of a dynasty covering several generations.
--Oldontarian (talk) 10:56, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age discrepancy
Talk:Robert I, Count of Conversano

message: In 1110, Robert married Judith, the youngest daughter of Roger I of Sicily but, in 1135, he was "a man in the flower of his youth". Strange...77.128.169.104 (talk) 15:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Isidore of Seville, iuventus (youth) was the third age of life, following adolescence and lasting until 50. Thus, "flower of his youth" is probably a literal translation and corresponds to a modern term like "prime age". Srnec (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Robert (son of William I of Sicily)

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved   -- Calidum 15:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Robert (son of William I of Sicily) →  – The article was previously at this name, but it was moved on the grounds that there was no source for the number, but one can be found at List of Princes of Capua. PatGallacher (talk) 15:10, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 October 2021
Talk:Robert of Melun

message: This article refers to Robert being supported by Alexander II. However, surely this should be the 12th century Alexander III, rather than the 11th century Alexander II? Rtmisst (talk) 15:38, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander II/Alexander III: A Confusion of Popes?
Talk:Robert of Torigni

message: This article contains references to Bale's suggestion that Robert de Torigni authored two Arthurian Romances. Re:  Historia Meriadoci and De Ortu Waluuanii; Two Arthurian Romances of the XIIIth Century in Latin Prose, ed. J. Douglas Bruce (Johns Hopkins Press, 1913), viz. pp. x-xv, sub:  "II. Bale's acription of the romances to Robert de Torigni". Here Dr. James Bruce analyzed the writing style compared to that of Robert de Torigni, showing they do not match, and also shows how Bale made the mistake of attributing these romances to de Torigni based on an incorrect assumption. In addition, further analysis shows these romances to be written in the thirteenth century, not the twelfth (pp.xvi-xxiv). I think the references to Robert de Torigni as author of any Arthurian romances and subsequent categories need to be removed to improve the quality of this article. Does anyone see a reason these should stay? Bearpatch (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrections however should stay.  We should point out in this article that Bale did attribute this, so that future readers will not think, for example, that we don't know *of* these works and that attribution.  And then we should cite how they are not by Robert, as your above.Wjhonson (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a bad point. I'll see what I can come up with to at least acknowledge Bale's crediting Robert with these romances. Let me know if you have suggestions. If you don't mind your link Robert de Torigni's "Chronicles" (in Latin) seems to be a good fit in an External links section. That is, unless you have something else planned for it, in which case just move it back. Thanks Bearpatch (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: A needed correction
Talk:Midwest City High School

message: I have made a preliminary attempt to make this page more readable.  I discovered that the history section of the original article was taken from the school website.  It was apparently written by J.E. Sutton.  I also made a first crack at changing the football section from all caps to regular captialization and also made some grammar changes.  Hope it helps.Tmarsh 14:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This article Does not cite anything not one thing I would begin to cite thing but do not know where to start i will admit that I'm a Del City Alumni. But this is nuts there is not one thing cited So i ask that you please find cites for this information. Just a helpful hint.--Dcheagle (talk) 06:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been way too long since this was all done so I deleted just about everything that was unsourced. The entire thing read as promotional material and was entirely unencyclopedic in tone. We need objective prose backed up entirely with reliable sources that are properly cited. How this page existed in this form for so long is an embarrassment to Wikipedia. When things are this bad it's often best to just start over. Let's start over and do it the right way. SQGibbon (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

text: More, according to the person who created this article all the information was taken from the school's website (I was unable to find it there myself) which means it's all probably a copyright violation anyway. SQGibbon (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites?
Talk:The Pride of the Sunshine

message: Most of this article needs to be rewritten.  The tone is far too informal and personal.  KyuzoGator 14:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone is Inappropriate 

message: * Discuss the history/leadership in further detail.  Also more information about the Steinbrenner Band Hall is needed. Jccort (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving the Article

message: They performed in the Super Bowl XVIII halftime show. Abhiramakella (talk) 18:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  They performed in the Super Bowl XVIII halftime show.
Talk:Stephen III of Hungary

message: The citations for the expanded family tree can be found in the Wikipedia articles for the relevant people. My understanding is that these family trees don't require individual citations for everyone on them -- if they did, there wouldn't be a single one on Wikipedia, to be honest. --Jfruh (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WP is not a reliable source for WP purposes. A family tree which cannot be verified qualifies as OR. Please do not remove the templates, but try to fix the problem (to find and cite a reliable source). Borsoka (talk) 05:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck fixing literally hundreds of family trees on Wikipedia! --Jfruh (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are millions of problems to be fixed on WP. Actually, I have fixed in about 30 articles the same problem. Have a nice day! :) Borsoka (talk) 06:10, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family tree 

message: What am I missing, Borsoka? If I understand correctly, Stephen III ascended in 1162 and was deposed in 1162 by Ladislaus II, who was succeeded by Stephen IV, whom Stephen III deposed in 1165, right? The crown did not pass smoothly from Géza II to Stephen III to Béla III, did it? Surtsicna (talk) 07:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the major part of the country was ruled by Stephen III's uncles, but Stephen III was regarded the lawful king by many Hungarians (including the archbishop of Esztergom). I could not cite a list of the kings of Hungary from reliable sources which does not say that Stephen III ruled from 1162 to 1172. Borsoka (talk) 07:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. How do Ladislaus II and Stephen IV usually appear in the lists? It sounds odd, though. Stephen III controlled only bits of the country from 1162 to 1165, yet sources say that he ruled Hungary from 1162 to 1172 uninterrupted? Surtsicna (talk) 20:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ladislaus II and Stephen IV are regarded as anti-kings. --Norden1990 (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: However, when listing the kings of Hungary sources say, Stephen III was king from 1162 to 1172, Ladisalus II from 1162 to 1163, and Stephen IV from 1163 to 1165. (For instance, ; .) Borsoka (talk) 03:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, but in the other similar case in the early 14th century, the majority of Hungarian historiography uses other method: Wenceslaus (1301-05), Otto (1305-1307), Charles I (1308-42), desite that fact that Charles already styled himself as King in 1301. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession
Talk:Addiscombe Railway Park

message: The park has been partly opened but it is know known as Addiscombe Railway Park.  See Croydon Council page, http://www.croydon.gov.uk/leisure/parksandopenspaces/parksatoz/addiscomberailpark/.  I'm afraid I don't know (or maybe don't have the privileges) to change the name of this article.  There is a link to it from "List of Parks and open spaces in Croydon" and one should be added from "Addiscombe Railway Station".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.209.223 (talk) 18:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]
Talk:Thierry, Count of Flanders

message: The link at his daughter, Matilda of Flanders, points to the WRONG Matilda, a century too early. I've removed the link until I can figure out which Matilda is the right one. --Michael K. Smith (talk) 04:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm leaving the coat of arms in this article for now and it should temporarily be used as cut off point for arms of the counts of Flanders. I think to recall it was his son Philip who introduced the lion arms, but as I neither have time nor the source at hand I will leave this standing as such for now.--Caranorn (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  coat of arms 

message: In what sense is "Theodoric" his correct name? Even in English, isn't he basically always called "Thierry"? Adam Bishop (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  His name was neither Theodoric, nor Thierry. It was Dietrich...112.198.90.44 (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thierry or Theodoric? 

message: Thierry of Alsace is attributed to bringing back from the Holy Land a few drops of Christ’s blood that were spilled by the lancing to his side? An annual procession still takes place in Bruges whereby the reliquary containing the blood is paraded through the streets with a deal of fanfare.A person on horseback takes the role of of Thierry. Should this be mentioned in the article? Dorkinglad (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Procession of the Holy Blood in Bruges
Talk:Thor Longus

message: If somebody has access to George Craufurd's Manuscript History, I take it from Robertson that it has more specific manuscript references to Thor the Long, including one that is more specific than Anderson about the entry in the Domesday Book that refers to Thor the Long before William the Conqueror confiscated Thor's possessions. If somebody can find that book, it would be of great assistance to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgreinhardt (talk • contribs) 14:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domesday Book reference
Talk:Waleran, Duke of Lower Lorraine

message: I do not have access to Loud and Schenk, but can someone check what sources we have for the II? As far as I can see Waleran is the third of that name in Arlon, and the first in every other title he is known for? I notice that the German article calls him III and Dutch calls him I (of Limburg).--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have realized the II is based on the assumption of Udo=Waleran, which would make him the second Waleran in Limburg. I would suggest it is easier to avoid giving this person a Limburg number though.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name. Waleran II or III: verification check please 

message: I think Lorraine is a confusing term for this period and not the one normally used by historians writing in English. Lotharingia would be better? For the time being WP is inconsistent, but I think most better articles also use Lotharingia. I'll post a few such messages on articles where I notice examples.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name, Lorraine-> Lotharingia?
Talk:Welf I, Duke of Bavaria

message: Judith of Flanders, daughter of Baldwin IV of Flanders, is also said to have married Tostig Godwinson. Charles Matthews 21:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, it says on the page that she was Tostig's widow. Charles Matthews 21:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:William Clito

message: Just to note. William Clito if he bore any arms at all (which is not yet proven) would have used the fabled gyronny shield with an inescutcheon. The Lion was only introduced by one of the suceeding rulers of Flanders. If I still remember this issue tommorrow I will start stripping pre-heraldic counts of Flanders of their inapropriately attributed arms. I thought we'd solved this a while back.--Caranorn (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of Arms

message: There is a month (exactly a month) between the reign as Count of Flanders, stated in the box on the right, and the date of his death. As some people get June and July easily confused, I thought to state it here, so the experts can correct this if necessary.--78.51.35.52 (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates of Death and End of Reign

message: Article reads, Both "Clito" and "Atheling" signified "man of royal blood", or the modern equivalent, "prince".
Can that be documented? I'd love to see a source for that, and can't find one. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clito
Talk:William de Turbeville

message: William de Turbeville was one of the bishops in attendance at the Council of Clarendon and forced to agree to said Constitutions. It is known he wanted to capitulate and agree with the King, for he feared the King's anger. I'm sorry, I am new to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure how this information isn't relevant? Likewise on similar bishop's pages, especially those more embroiled in the Becket Controversy? Rtmisst (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: the information isn’t supported by your source. You can’t claim that someone became embroiled in a controversy of the source you’re using is the actual document ...that primary source only supports the fact that he signed the document. No where does the actual constitutions of Clarendon support the embroiled bit. As for the other bishops... the ones you got reverted on all are good or featured articles. There, what is included is based on secondary sources...not primary ones. The constitutions are a minor blip in those bishops lives..so it’s trivia. With Nigel, it is also a problem like here, you were using the constitutions to draw conclusions. I see you’re editing as part of a class...does your class have a page for your professor? Or any interactions with the education project? Because ...quite honestly, Wikipedia is nothing like actual historical research and it must be approached totally differently.Ealdgyth - Talk 12:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

text: You added a secondary source, but you cited the entire book. That isn’t helpful at all...specific page numbers for large sources are what is required, especially for good or featured articles. And when you add the same information to multiple pages, it is basically spamming.. you’re not trying to fit the information into the context of the articles subject, you just found a factoid/opinion and are throwing it everywhere you think it might fit in the hopes it might stick. Look, I’m just waking up, but you need to actually take on board the information in those modules you “trained” with. And understand that Wikipedia is totally different than doing masters level historical research. Let me get caffeinated and I’ll explain further on your talk page. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutions of Clarendon?
Talk:William de Wendenal

message: The fact that many sheriffs were corrupt is one thing. To make the conclusion that Wendenal, too, "may" have been corrupt and even "may" have been killed by a rebel peasant seems like a pretty far-fetched speculation. Since no source is cited for it, it looks like somebody's original research.--Anonymous44 (talk) 23:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpublished synthesis?