Talk:Wong Shun Leung/Archive 1

message: There are way to many links - ideal is 2 or 3 - definately keep below 10.Peter Rehse 01:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It looks like a bomb went off in that section. --Xiliquiern 04:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent turn of phrase! Personally, I would expand it to the entire articel as it seems very hard to read. It may be worth someone editing the whole page, blanking it in the text box and rewriting it from scratch there (I had to do the same to Increase Mather). 68.39.174.238 02:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it's like somebody took a link-bomb into the edit textarea.  I personally don't even want to touch this article, but it looks like many many sections need to be deleted.  Like, poof. Mazin07C₪T 22:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love to do a bomb-and-rebuild on this, but it's pretty well sourced now, which hasn't been the case for all the other articels I've done that to, which makes me incredibly hesitant to do so. Also, the fact that many of the titles are in a foreign (To me) langauge doesn't help. 68.39.174.238 13:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link Farm

message: ::::It's not well sourced - all the sources are various web pages, well sourced would be published material in English.  See Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:Citing sources.  A lot of the links are for articles written by David Peterson, which as a student of WSL would make his writing a Primary Source, and inappropriate for use in Wikipedia. -- Medains 08:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I added the NPOV tag because the tone of the article could be shifted a bit more toward neutral.  Many sentences contain superfluous superlatives.  I tried copyediting the lead section, but perhaps a native speaker who is familiar with the subject matter might lend a hand here.  I'm not knowledgeable on this topic at all; I'm just trying to help clean up the writing. OscarTheCat3 01:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: As if this wasn't bad enough, look at Wong Shun Leung's Profound Knowledge of Fighting! 68.39.174.238 12:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I listed that one at AfD, looks like it's a good candidate for transwiki to Wikiquote. OscarTheCat3 22:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aargh! 

message: Removed large chunks & shortened headings still 129k over size --Nate1481 17:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done more but need attention by someone with better back ground knowledge, just tried to improve grammar and shorten wordy bits. --Nate1481 00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits 

message: 1. The Development of Ving Tsun (Wing Chun) in Hong Kong (1954-60), by Ving Tsun Athletic Association (詠春體育會) - tertiary from an association with close links to the subject.
2. What I Have Learnt Through "Beimo", by Wong Shun Leung - primary so ideally quotes only support.
3. Wong Shun Leung Ving Tsun Kung Fu Association U.K. - Home Page - tertiary as 1.
4. Wong Shun Leung: the Legend Behind the Legend, Recalling the life of Bruce Lee's teacher, by David Peterson - unpublished essay 
5. The History of Wing Chun: The late Wong Shun Leung, A Student of Yip Man, by Reading Academy - tertiary but wider scope
6. Ving Tsun Update: About Wong Shun Leung - tertiary see 1
7. IMDB: Biography for Wong Sheun-Leung - tertiary dose IMDB review these
8. Wong Shun Leung: Wing Chun Personified by David Peterson - unpublished essay
9. Ving Tsun Update: Wong Shun Leung tertiary see 1
10. Melbourne Chinese Martial Arts Club (MCMAC): Sifu David Peterson - club where peterson  teaches
11.Wong Shun Leung and His Friendship with Bruce Lee, by Wong Shun Leung -unpublished essay
12. Bruce Lee's Letter to Wong Shun Leung Dated 11 January, 1970 (Original Copy) - picture in chinese
13. DEATH OF A LEGEND by David Peterson unpublished essay
14. Wing Chun UK: Ip Man - Bruce Lee's Teacher
15. www.cheungswingchun.com - Grandmaster William Cheung
I'm getting a theme here... most come form _ing _un club websites or essays by ex-pupil David Peterson that ar only published on... club web sites, haven't gone on but most seem to go to similar (or the same few) sites using 1 or 2 of these as general refs for undisputed info but to support specific claims their no good. Some of the material also seems copy & pasted then every few words referenced to the site or another with similar text. --Nate1481 23:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Evidently, this page was AfD'd before: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wong Shun Leung! I've asked an administrator to check and see if it's substantially the same thing; if so, we're sunk. 68.39.174.238 15:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The VfD was from sept 2005 so doubt anyone is in a rush to do it (when it looked like this). Article still needs a lot of work thought. --Nate1481 17:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer I got from the administrator was that there was no similarity. 68.39.174.238 11:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eek! 

message: By Wikipedia:Article size, this page should be split if at all possible. — Swpb talk contribs 04:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that this article should not be split yet, because it's such a mess.  If it can be cleaned up and is still too long, then it should surely be split.—Erik Harris 16:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split