Talk:Members of the 111th United States Congress

message: This table needs to be checked for accuracy in religous affilations of congressmen and senators. Many of them do not the individual articles for members.For example Ben Cardin was listed as Roman Catholic when he is Jewish.Bentley4 15:28 Bentley4, 4 Febuary 2007 (UTC)
I started on this at User:Just H/110th Congressional Table. I'll probably be adding alot there and copy/pasting to here. Just H 15:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another statistic that should be checked for accuracy is the number of congressmen and senators holding JDs.  It says, "Of the 215, 180 Senators and 58 Representatives hold Juris Doctor degrees."  There is no reference, and the numbers don't add up. ReelMadRedhead 23:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: Is there any reason why the Senate table shouldn't have all of the same fields as the Rep. table?--Appraiser 13:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I had copy and pasted what there was already in there and I focused on the House first. Just H 22:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two tables

message: There is a distinct difference between religion and ethnicity.  The term "Jew" is not an ethnicity, it is a term to describe a follower of Judaism.  Ethnically speaking Jews are no different than Arabs - they're the same people.
Further more, if you look at any legal census or demographic questionnaire, it lists Caucasian to include Northern Africa and the Middle East.
The idea that the term "Jew" is an ethnicity is a modern notion that has a political background and not biological.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by KareemHamdy (talk • contribs) 19:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity v.s. Religion

message: In the list of House members, some of the start dates have an astrisk (*) next to them?  Why is this (and we should probably indicate so in the article (unless it is there and I just don't see it.
meamemg 20:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were elected in special elections. Sorry, I didn't add that yet. Just H 04:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: astrisk

message: There is a general statement of a blacksmith serving in Congress, but the only congressman who I know of having that occupation was Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. He no longer serves in the U.S. Senate. If no one can produce another congressman who is also a blacksmith, would someone like to choose a different example? (A farmer, for instance, as in the case of Sen. Jon Tester of Montana.)
This only addresses the Senate, not the full Congress. The article looks like it should be about both houses, not just one. Shouldn't a section on the House be added, or should this part just be moved to an article on the Senate? Or maybe the title could clarify that this is only demographic background for the Senate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.99.190 (talk) 01:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Occupational background

message: Good job on the separate states. I'm wondering if it would be easier to put in references there rather than in the main table. Just Heditor review 01:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmmm

message: The class assignments for senators do not mach up with the numbers for each class listed on http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm  not sure if there is a reason (or an easy way to switch it) meamemg 02:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: senate classes

message: The photograph in the table for Representative Ed Perlmutter from Colorado's Seventh District is incorrect. It shows a picture of Representative Doug Lamborn from Colorado's Fifth District.DarinJaneczko 18:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photograph for Ed Perlmutter

message: Did the person making this just sort of estimate when they thought each Senator might have been born? About of third of them are incorrect! DanyaRomulus 17:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Years of Birth in Senate Chart

message: Can't this page be split into many others? It has to be over some kind of size limit, especially in terms of memory. BirdValiant 05:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HUGE!

message: Should they be listed in full or condensed?  I.e. University of X or X?  I had been leaning toward the latter when doing the Senate table, to save space, but with some of the longer colleges' names, for which a commonly-known nickname does not exist, particular in the House table, might it be more clear to simply include the full name of the college wherever it is given in both of the tables?  What do people think? Qqqqqq 17:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Education -- names of colleges

message: Religion is a collection of theories a person has faith in.  Faith is a belief in the absence of evidence, or belief in the face of contradictory evidence.
A persons' opinion on Religion is no more or less relevant than her opinion on Chicago vs. New York pizza.  While interesting trivia -- like their hair color or favorite dog-breed -- it is not relevant to their duties.  
Perhaps the column should be changed to "Theism" (theist?); and the members should be listed "No" or "Yes", to denote those members who have a natural vs. supernatural world-view.
70.178.56.254 16:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the emphasis on religion strange as well, and probably inappropriate. Can anybody who supports the inclusion of religion in these tables point to a general-purpose list of this kind, appearing in print, that includes data on the religion of each member of Congress? Perhaps this information should be moved to a more specialized article.67.150.247.63 (talk) 09:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is Religion included?

message: "The Senate is 1% African American and the House is approximately 9.2% African American" I don't get it.  Is it Because Obama is only half black? 1/50=2%, just like my milk. 205.145.64.64 20:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, there are 100 Senators, not 50... Simon12 01:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How is there 1% blacks in the senate

message: article states that congress is made up of 13 jews in the senate and 30 in the house. thats 43. 43/540 is about 8%, not 6.9% stated later in article. 6.9 would be the percent in the house, not all of congress.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.180.166 (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then fix it.--Dr who1975 (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: percentage of jewish population

message: Is Barney Frank's religion really "Queer"? His page quotes him as being of Jewish origin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.3.76 (talk) 23:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing it out. That edit was just made yesterday. I'm surprised no one had noticed it yet. In the future, feel free to correct such vandalism yourself.--Dr who1975 (talk) 15:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Barney Frank

message: I'm sure everyone agrees that when sorting the congressional Members tables by name, it would be more helpful if it sorted last name first. Instead of "Amy Klobuchar" appearing first, it should sort with "Akaka, Daniel" first on the list (just like the Senate's Roll Call, or any other official listing of congressional members).
As I know it would be too big of a request, I decided to do it myself. I did BOTH tables. Also, to ensure that the Representatives had their "correct" last name I cross-referenced my edits with http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
I checked it twice and it all looks correct. Hope this helps people in the long run. --Qwayzer (talk) 08:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Last names first

message: Please print the total compensation package for each member of the Senate and the House of Representatives.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.180.83 (talk) 17:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Find us a source and we might. Or better yet... you find a source and add them yourself. Everbody here is a voulenteer. We are not your servants.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Congress' Total Compensation Package???????

message: This field seems to be being used in an inconsistent way for those who have served on several non-consecutive occasions.  For most (e.g. Jane Harman, Baron Hill, Jim Cooper) it seems to list the beginning of their most recent service.  But for at least one other that I've come upon (Nick Lampson), it gives the year he first entered Congress.  This might be solved by making some way to indicate previous terms of service in the table. john k (talk) 15:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this inconsistency should be fixed, but I believe the best solution is to just change the year. The column is named "First took office" so it should list the first year each person took that office, not the most recent year they were reelected to that office. Hope you agree. --Qwayzer (talk) 07:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the choice here should be based on whatever the rules are to determine rank by seniority. I assume that this is the year in which their most recent tenure began, but I might be wrong. 67.150.247.63 (talk) 09:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "assumed office"

message: While "black" has been used to refer to Obama, "African American" implies for many a legacy that goes back to slavery, which would exclude many American blacks from being African-American, including black baseball players from the Caribbean and black doctors from Nigeria. I think that the current consensus is to not list Obama as an African-American. 72.141.228.23 (talk) 11:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Obama as African-American?

message: I don't know why this was reverted. I added in the intro to the demographics section that there is an atheist, a gay man, and a lesbian in Congress. It was labelled as "libel". This is not libel, this is fact: Rep. Pete Starke is an atheist, and both Reps. Barney Frank and Tammy Baldwin are gay. And since when is stating that someone is atheist or gay a bad thing when it's true? Homophobic perhaps? I'm changing it back. Hihellowhatsup (talk) 07:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Atheists and LGBT people in Congress

message: I came across Should Our Legal System Use Wikipedia as a Source? which says that Wikipedia has been cited for the number of openly gay lawmakers. This article didn't cite any sources for any of them, and I've stubbified the section. If there are reliable sources in the individuals' articles, please use them here as well as in those articles. Thanks, Andjam (talk) 12:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the paragraph with citations for each one.  Ral315 (talk) 07:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Andjam (talk) 09:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stubbyfied sexual orientation section

message: "477 members of Congress are male and 88 are female" -- That totals 565, but there are only 540 members (counting the 5 delegates). Unless there are about 25 hermaphrodites in Congress ;-), these numbers are way off.  141.156.183.244 (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in gender counts

message: In the Religious demographics section, there's a missing word in the last paragraph. Should it be "first" or "only"?
As of a statement in March 2007, California Rep. Pete Stark became the [first?/only?] publicly-stated atheist in the history of Congress.
I think, based on the wording of the sentence, that "only" is better. I'm making that change (not fact-checked).
Unimath (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics/Religion Missing Word

message: This would take the size of this article down a lot. Possibily also split the demographic section.--Levineps (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree strongly. I've been wishing for a long time for a separate U.S. Senate article. Besides, this article is super long. Hope other people agree. --Qwayzer (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay, upon looking at it again, it is too long, but most all of it is only tables. Reywas92Talk 23:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: split Senate and House

message: If there are no objection I will be archiving this article to a new article called Members of the 110th United States Congress since we will enter a new congress next month and all the old information like members who left office and 2006 election result will be erase. Farkas2029 (talk) 03:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a good idea; I was gonna suggest the same thing. It's certainly better than simply editing the article, and losing much valuable information to everything but the article history. Lampman (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Creating [[Members of the 110th United States Congress]] from this article

message: Hey everyone. I updated the list of senators last night and I am looking for help updating the list of representatives. Please take a stab at it if you have time. Optimusnauta (talk) 23:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating List

message: For now please leave the Franken seat as unresolved and the Burris seat as vacant as the ultimate decisions on those seats won't be made until the Senate convenes tomorrow at the earliest. Optimusnauta (talk) 23:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Franken / Burris

message: In occupations, is it possible, if the information is out there, to include how many senators and representatives have served in the US, and possibly, who amoungst them have attained the highest rank, and who may still be serving (national guard or reserve)? --207.114.206.48 (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Military Service

message: Why is it that Rep. Austria (R-OH-7) is excluded in the count of asian americans? --207.114.206.48 (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Steve Austria

message: The year taking office and year of birth for new Reps. Gary Peters (MI-9) and Dina Titus (NV-3) are not displaying properly in the Current Members table: the dates are instead displaying at the bottom of the Education section. I can't figure out how to fix this one. 68.194.217.223 (talk) 15:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting problem

message: This article reeks of original research.  Information are grossly outdated and there are no citation for any assertion.  Seems like it just gets renamed every time a new Congress convenes. DHN (talk) 19:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe there are any original research concerns with this or any other document outlining the various congresses. There are ample references for statements that are not readiliy verifiable or understood as common knowledge. Every little statement does not need its own reference.DCmacnut<> 20:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: I will be removing Sen. John McCain from the list.  He was born on a US Navy Base within the Panama Canal Zone, a US Territory at the time of his birth.  I believe there is already a lengthy discussion of this on the John McCain talk page, an in many of it's archived pages as well..  Unless there is an objection this change will be made by me on 11FEB09.--207.114.206.48 (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign Born

message: I believe a better title for this article is Current members of the United States Congress, as it was called throughout the 110th Congress and until the 111th Congress began.  I don't know why it was moved, but in my opinion the old title was better.  Also this title suggests that it lists members who served at any time during the 111th Congress, such as Hillary Clinton, who didn't leave office until after it began.  I would like to hear others' opinions before moving it, however. -Conrad (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care which it is called, but there is a difference between current members and members of the 111th Congress. The latter term includes people such as Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Hilda Solis, who were members of the the current Congress but are not current members of it. As a result, it should named after whichever it is. -Rrius (talk) 23:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current members of the United States Congress

message: I saw a list of Greek and Serbian Orthodox congresspeople, but it did not include representative Darrell Issa (California), who I believe is Greek Orthodox (Antiochian Greek Orthodox, but Greek Orthodox nonetheless).  His name should be listed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.236.198 (talk) 02:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Darrell Issa--Greek Orthodox

message: Shouldn't this page include an overall list, or a link to such? Vidor (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are links: one for the Senate and one for the House, and each is in its own section. -Rrius (talk) 07:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Where's the list?

message: First of all Brazil is not part of Hispania. Ibero-America would include Brazil. See Hispanic America.
Second of all, Spanish people and people who are European who happen to live in Latin or Central America are NOT Hispanic. Knowing many people who are "Mexican", but who's whole families recently came from Spain or other European countries, they are considered white, not hispanic. The term Latin can refer to people of Spain, Italy, France, etc. People who are mestizo can also be called Latin, but the term "Latino" is used more; which is also used interchangeably with "Hispanic" to describe race. "Latino" and "Hispanic" are used to describe people of mixed ethnicity - Spanish (European) mixed with Native or Native and African. "Hispanic" also refers to the region, culture and language of Spanish-speaking countries, but when referring to race, hispanic is not used. A person from Spain is a Spaniard and a white European. 
Do NOT add Spanish people to this list. Spaniards are not Hispanic in terms of race. The term used is Spaniard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_America DOES NOT REFER TO PEOPLE FROM SPAIN. I will be forced to report those who add back Spaniards to the Hispanic American lists if this continues.
Also, there are many white cubans, Argentineans who are not of native descent (may be Italian, etc.), and other European peoples who are not mestizo who are from Latin American countries. I feel that keeping their nationality is sufficient enough for a category. For instance Argentinean-American vs. Hispanic-American. I will consider the deletion of these other nationalities only after further discussion on the List of Hispanic Americans page. Because the definition refers to those from Central and South America who are not Portuguese. It is difficult to know who is a direct descendant of Europe, however, unless it is specifically stated in a person's biography. I feel whites from Latin America are NOT Hispanic, however, especially if they are recent immigrants to Latin American countries and are European. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 04:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Spanish from this Hispanic sections, will remove Portuguese and Brazilians as well. 

message: The total numbers for House and Senate do not add up. Seems they should equal at least 100%? 96.38.132.204 (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Education Levels

message: While perusing, I noted that Ed Pastor is listed as a chemist. According to his article, he was never a chemist, rather he taught high school chemistry. While teaching is important, I don't think this qualifies him as a scientist. Similarly, Louise Slaughter holds a BS in microbiology and an MPH, but went on to work as a market researcher. The other four listed all hold PhDs and had careers in academia doing research before moving on to other pursuits.--Epsilon17 (talk) 16:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: What is a scientist?

message: Pretty basic: you should list female members of the House as you do female Senators, at least until there are too many to count.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.114.183 (talk) 01:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women? 

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