Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kerala/Archive 2

message: The article on Thiruvananthapuram district is expanded. I am inviting the members to perform a peer review.
-- Rajith Mohan :)  (Talk to me...) 07:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are going for a formal review, please add it in Wikipedia:Peer review and also put a note in Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. If you are looking only for an informal review by fellow Mallus this page is fine. Tintin (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pradip Somasundaran
Tintin
Thanks for the invitation. Yes we are very passionate about music and musicians of Kerala. Don't you think some guys like Ageo are unnecessarily making it very personal? I know my music very well. Me and Jyothis have done quite a bit of searching on this guy and also know him well through T.v programs. If we were to go for a public poll where everyone in Kerala is allowed to vote then beware! We all will be beaten to pulp by his fans especially the female and middle aged ones(they like old songs which he specialises in) and those who watch T.V:-). Such is his popularity and respect here. He is more respected than adored like some others like vidhu pratap or afsal. Maybe since he is a lecturer. Some programs like Anjali on Amrita run due to him. Since he appears almost every day on Doordarshan his face is familir to every T.V watcher from 1996! He is a quiet guy who IMHO is being treated very badly by the so called film industry. If he were to sing more in films he would be the best after K.J.Y, M.G Sreekumar and P.Jayachandran. But he is sticking on to his job also(I am a lecturer too so think best for him to do)But he is a computer hardware geek and linux geek too! He came to our college to give a lecture on Linuxsome years back! His knowledge on linux and music are vast. You can know his talent from his blog..his songs are a treat...So guys I think instead of treating a fellow malayalee like this, help me and jyothis out on this. We are here to stay. Jyothis is already in malayalam wiki.I am determined to get all our great singers here.Also willing to help you guys on any thing you want. But first help us out on this issue and let's stop giving "paras" to each other:-). Let's be united..and we can do wonders for malayalam and malayalees....If we do not know about something best to admit it than clinging on to nothing.(Tintin u did the right thing...ur attitude has been very good) Thanks....Let's move as friends...Please ask Ageo also to calm down. I do not keep any personal vengeance with anyone. If we are to create great articles we should be united and not scattered! Also jyothis has put so much of his time and energy in talking to the poor guy over phone and managed to get some info from him. He was shy and wanted to stay away from all this. So jyothis had a tough time. But now the article is full of all the minute details and achievements of this guy and well documented and is fully verifiable. So now the fight is only about battered ego's. Let's do away with those ego's. Anyway it was due to all this fight that we all could get so much info on the guy! So let this article remain. Help us to help you...
 ooops forgot to login and sign...
--Gluewhale 17:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for [[Pradip Somasundaran]] 

message: Are u  joking friends? Shame...Shame....! Pradip Somasundaran is non notable...?!!! U  guys r living in which pottakkulam...? What happened to Kerala Wikipedians...? If u feel so I'm sure that they are not fit to edit the page of a great musician. I think some guys are using this page to exhibit their nonsenses and ignorance.They are so childish...? Pradeep is a great musician ,no doubt. We all love his music. Only a diamond merchant can judge a diomond. Remember ...but Stay Cool!
Rafeeq ali 12:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pradip Somasundaran]] 

message: User:Qudsi, the creator and subject of the article blanked it. Tintin (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm..another tough one. He does find mention in The Hindu a few times . I think he blanked the article because of the message he got on his talk page. Gosh..notability is such a tricky issue — almost impossible to ascertain.  Since he has written/translated 6 books, I think me might be notable.-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK14:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[S.A.Qudsi]] 

message: From Talk:Malayalam calendar:
can somebody please mention the no. of days in a month and days in a year for the malyalam calender.nids 10:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  days in month 

message: The first time I saw this article (a couple of months back), I thought it was a hoax — it was just too good to be true. A little bit of googling, and I end up flabbergasted. Indeed as the article claims, the father of analytical mathematics is a Kochikaaran. And calculus took shape on God's Own soil, and not under an apple tree, as I had believed. 
Is it just me, or has anyone heard of Madhava of Sangamagrama before? My first impulse was to check my NCERT textbooks. Well, he doesn't figure anywhere there. No wonder I was speechless when an anon asked me at Talk:Calculus to quote from Madhava as he should be famous in India. I'm amazed the Kerala Government hasnt done anything (or have they?) on this front. At least the tourism dept should have seen the enormous tourism potential in this.
So I ask: Where was this Kerala school set up? Is it still functoning (the page suggests so!). Whatever happened to all the books that they wrote? Where is Yuktibhasa, the world's first calculus text kept? Why are there no pictures of Madhava or his students available anywhere online, despite the fact that he lived centuries after Aryabhata (whose pictures are there everywhere)? 
And oh...if anybody here is good at mathematics, there's a lot of unanswered questions waiting you at Talk:Madhava of Sangamagrama.
<end rant/> -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK
:I first read about this three or four years back at http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/Projects/Pearce/index.html. A whole chapter is dedicated for Kerala alone. Pathetic that they don't teach us any of this at school. Tintin (talk) 05:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phew! So it wasnt just me afterall. Any idea about the latter part of my rant? About the status of the school and all.. Also, it certainly wasnt called Kerala school of Mathematics and Astronomy. Any idea what the Malayalam name was?-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK09:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kerala School]]  - An ''is it just me'' question. 

message: Pudiya Swapnangalum, pudiya pradeekshakalum ayi itha veendum Malayalikalude puduvarsham. Ennu Chingam 1. Ente priyapetta wiki kootukaarku ente hridayam niranja putuvatsarashamsakal. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK13:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy New Year!! 

message: Hi! If anybody has seen this movie, could you please complete the plot? I did a bit from a couple of reviews I read. Thanks in advance.-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK12:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Moonnamathoral]] 

message: List of Kerala cartoonists Tintin (talk) 06:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Prod

message: This person gets zero non-wikipedia google hits  so maybe someone with local knowledge could attempt to verify his existence? Kappa 04:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kumaranalloor Mani]] AFD 

message: The Bengal famine of 1943 article claims that there has never been a famine in India since Independence. However, I maintain that there was a famine in Kerala sometime during the 1960s (late 60s-early 70s?). For that reason, I edited all parts of the article claiming that India has never had a single famine since then.
Jayanta Sen has reverted my edits because he wants numbers to prove that there really was a famine and not just a shortage of rice. Does anybody have any written sources concerning the number of Malayalees who died as a result of the famine? (Snehamulla, Vijayan :))--Kuaichik 02:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my dad, there was a major flood in the late 1950s or the early 1960s, and Kerala experienced severe shortage of food. America immediately offered maize to prevent a famine from occurring. Hence, my dad is of the opinion that there was no famine, in the actual sense of the word (as far as he remembers). The event did turn into a big political issue, though, with the commies alleging ulterior motives behind America's move.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the one I'm talking about. Appa claims that the Americans sent (among other things?) much flour, and to this day, he personally prefers American flour to Indian flour. He says that if the Americans had not sent food supplies, "many more people would have died." Many more? Does that mean...that people already had died due to a shortage of food before the Americans acted? Just an idea. You and your dad are probably right, though. Sometimes I take Appa's statements too literally. And I'm sure it was part of the American anti-communist effort; if I'm not much mistaken, the American-backed reactionary movement in Kerala began around the same time. --Kuaichik 15:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I remember my father and my mother talking about a famine in the 60s. I still remember it because my mother said that she had to eat Chappati the whole time, instead of rice. rohith 12:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1960s Famine 

message: The Kerala users need to be ashamed of the article Nair. The "savarna" Nairs (how they got that varna!) think certain sub-castes which bear the name Nair are so inferior that they should not be mentioned along with those NSS- Okayed creamy Nairs. So they won't allow edits which list those "inferior" sub-castes along with the "noble" strata. They have condescendingly given those "untouchables" a general category of "others" and very particularly mention that they (the others) don't have anything to do with the "above mentioned Nairs" and also that they have been "raised in rank" "to serve Nairs" See the following excerpt.
"Others
These were people who were initially Avarna castes but later raised in rank and made to serve Nairs and other forward castes. However the above mentioned Nairs never maintained any social contact with them and practised untouchability. Due to their economic and social backwardness, they are today reserved in the OBC (Other Backward Classes) List." 
I am not familiar enough with Wiki to ascertain which policies this disgusting article violates. But I am sure this is barbaric and  goes against the grain of humaninsm. Kuntan 16:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disgusting 

message: See one of our Advocates commenting on this talkpage,
[]. Wretched wooing! Kuntan 10:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheap, isn't this? 

message: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.   Adv. P. R. Bijuchandran 03:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stay cool, you must. And stop the indecent hot pursuit of female names.Kuntan 10:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the way you look. Kuntan 18:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Personal Attacks 

message: Kerala-related Afd and prod listings for the week follows below.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 09:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Er..if that was aimed at the above AfD, please add it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poomulli. Thanks!-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 08:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for deletion 

message: I am placing a request to start a new article on Sreekanteswaram Padmanabha Pilla, popularly known as Sreekanteswaram. He is the author of the first and very comprehensive and very much authentic dictionary in Malayalam, the Shabdataravali. Much information about the book or the author is not available through internet. It would be great if we can publish a good article about him and his book in wikipedia, the great encyclopedia.--Samaleks 16:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request of new article 

message: Please read. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 08:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Workgroup-level quality statistics 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 15:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Please check  and comment. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kerala-related help sought 

message: The article S. Jithesh was speedy deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Jithesh (recreation of deleted content) and the page was protected. The alleged sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry  second deletion nomination (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Jithesh (2nd nomination)) only raised doubts.
However, User:Devapriya insists that he is famous in Kerala.
She has provided some links to prove her point:
* : This is a directory, which anybody can join and add/update his/her profile (From the site: "It is FREE without photos and Rs.100 with photos")
* : Again, anybody can sign up and create a profile here.
*  is a personal page hosted at Tripod, a free web-hosting service
*  is a personal page hosted at Geocities, a free web-hosting service
* Chintha.com: I'm not sure about this one. But from the website: "Chintha.com depends heavily on the resources of many voluteers. They are contributing their time and energy to create content"
However, I understand that not every notable person has an online presence. So, I wanted to know from Keralites: Is this person is really notable or not?. If yes, I (or some other admin) will unprotect the page and allow creation of article with references.. utcursch | talk 13:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[S. Jithesh]] 

message: Please see this ! U will say that all the persons listed here are notable ....except one .... ? I know it very well...! But references are references..! An editor must not be biased...!We all know P. K. Manthri is highly notable. Can u show any sort of online news report or online reference about P. K. Manthri  to prove his notability...? Nileena joseph 16:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A doubt...? 

message: Those who know Malayalam may read the above said article. As we all know 'Malayalam' Weekly is so popular. Have u ever read the article 'Jeevitham Enne Enthu Padippichu'. That noted column is compiled by former deputy chief secretary-  T. N. Jayachandran.I.A.S. Every week Malayalam weekly publishes the visions of notable persons from different walks of life. It is a hit column. Only notable persons are allowed to write in that particular column.The above link is the scanned copy of that column. In kerala wikipedia somebody thinks that a person who had played in just one oneday cricket is highly notable. But an artist who had drawn more than 10000 bookcovers and cartoons are non notable. I dont understand such things. They will comment Kottakkal Sivaraman is non notable and Ayyappa Baiju is highly notable. Amitabh Batchan is notable but Harivamsarai Batchan (the great poet in Marathi)is non notable. Usually encyclopedias are edited by experts in the concerned subjects.Unfortunately in wikipedia it is by teenage computer professionals. They know about icecreams, munch, cricket and commercial films . May I ask a Question...? How a person can judge cartoons and caricatures if he is ignorant about Prakash Shetty, Ajith Ninan, Ravi Sankar or E.P.Unni...? Just read...read...read....
Reading contemperory Literary periodicals is the only medicine to solve ignorance in post modern literature and art. Also have a watch....! Doordarsan's Nisagandhi, Asianet's On Record, Jeevan T.V's Njan....etc! I don't think thatChintha.comis publishing the bio of non notable persons. It's a site created by eminent journalists. * : This is a directory, which publishes the biography of artists . It willnot publish the biography of any layman...! If anyone is doubtful please try...!My humple request is that experts from various fields must come and edit wikipedia. Or otherwise this site willnot improve. Stupidity and ego clash will kill wikipedia. I think this site is not for just cricket related articles...! There are hundreds of art lovers....!
Devapriya 14:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only to those who have good reading habits in [[Malayalam]]. 

message: Google hits must not be taken as a sole yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search. It is really misleading...Isn't it...? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance. May I know ur valuable opinion ……?
 Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 05:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's 

message: There are two deletions going on in the AFD which are Kerala related. Anyone interested can vote here.--Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 20:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AFD's related to Kerala

message: The portal is up for peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Peer review/Portal:Kerala. Please post your comments and suggestions there. Thank you.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Portal:Kerala]]

message: Are these notable: Anuj Nair, The Indix, My Love for You, Simple Truth? utcursch | talk 12:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I've heard of him. Doesnt look notable to merit an article, IMO.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 11:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability