Talk:Israel/Archive 17

message: Why don't you just open a discussion board of Israelpolitics.com . This is NOT a discussion board !!! The section above was getting too long on non relevant issues. It should possibly be removed too by an adminstrator. Amoruso 18:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NOT a discussion board

message: This page is too vulnerable not to be semi-protected. Some administrator recently removed the semi-protection. Since then, as before, there are at least 1 or 2 daily non-registered vandals here. I propose that the page be permanently semi-protected, and request the opinion of the others on this. --Daniel575 | (talk) 10:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what really bothers me is that users want to insert negative images of Israel in the lead under the pretext that it's according to WP:LEAD. It's pretty amazing that if you look at basically 90% of the country articles, the lead only contains a brief notion of the borders. Looking at the middle east, The Iraq lead doesn't mention any politics or developments (!), Syria article had a lead where it concerned itself with Greater Syria and THAT'S IT (see how they will react to a current change I made to cleanup and npov it), Egypt has no mention of any conflicts or problems etc, Jordan has no mention of how it was created and so on, Iran (!) has no mention of any controversies and deals with geography and Persia. If all of Israel's neighbours have such sympathetic articles, I wish editors won't insert their WP:POV to this. In addition of course, there's the problematic human rights sections which doesn't exist in countries with far worse human rights issues. Obviously Israel's human rights issues can only be understood in the context of the region. Amoruso 07:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, why would there be a Human Rights section in a country with no Human Rights? You're not thinking clearly... okedem 10:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  :) Touche. Amoruso 18:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good one, okedem.  6SJ7 19:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Permanent semi-protection

message: I don't know whyDaniel575 is so protective of his versions.
His edit of
:: 15:14, 11 October 2006 (edit) Daniel575 (Talk | contribs) (rv 'regarded as')
removed and vandalized my carefully crafted improvement that I had worked on for some time, and inserted just TWO MINUTES previously.
This is over-hasty and rash -  a common pattern I have found with Israel-related topics. Has anyone got an axe to grind?
He has removed several clarifications regarding citizen hood etc. – his description of his actions as "(rv 'regarded as')" is IMHO highly misleading. He also introduces patent inaccuracies, e.g.
::Jews have always maintained physical presence in the region as well as a strong 
This is clearly false. (100,000 years ago?) What he is putting here is a myth, not fact.(I had changed it to "for thousands of years", which may itself be questionable)
There is also the misquote of the Basic Law for Jerusalem – "eternal, individisible" – whereas my changes have tried to insert the correct wording taken from the actual text.
::::Johnbibby
:This article is always under fire, and when someone makes a serious change to it (in lead, no less), it might quickly get reverted. Please discuss such changes before you make them.
:As far as your Halakha addition - it has no place in the lead. It has very little to do with Israel. Most of the world's Jews are not even religous, and this point is irrelevant. (Oh, and it seems a lot of orthodox Jews manage just fine living outside Israel). 
:You wrote "...has been regarded as the 'birthplace' of the Jewish People for thousands of years" - It's not just "regarded", it is. And the "for thousands of years" part is out of place.
:Jews have continually lived in Israel at least since the 12th century BC (according to archeological evidence), so that's more than three thousand years. "always" obviously means - since there were Jews, but perhaps it could be better phrased.
:The current note about Jerusalem says "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel". okedem 19:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't know whyDaniel575 is so protective