Talk:Box camera

message: I appreciate your work on Wikipedia Egil but I'm sorry to disagree with most of your recents edits about box cameras, Brownies, Instamatic, disposable etc...
- IMO not every basic camera is a box camera the term seems to disapear with the change in shape which correspond to the use of smaller formats.
::I've always used the term box camera for any fix focus, single aperture, simple optics, simple shutter camera for daylight use. And I think this use as a technical classification is very common. Agfa called their disposables of the 1990s Le Box, obvisouly to borrow some of success of the Renault Le Car.  Todays disposable share just about every single feature and aspect of the early Kodaks, both technically and marketwise, even down to use of cardboard material and "you push the button - we do the rest". I've seen the early box cameras referres to as classical box camera, which is descriptive. 
::Furthermore, the tern box camera is needed to denote the difference to the modern adjustable aperture/shutter/focus compact camera. One would not want to use the term compact camera for a disposable.
::PS: FWIW Encarta seems to support this definition of box camera: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761595618¶=45#p45
- Instamatic didn't introduced the photographic flash to cheap camera the earlier Brownie Starlet had a separate flash the Brownie Starflash had an integrated flash.
::By all measns. I did not mean to imply that it did, either. It introduced the four exposure easy-to-use flash cube, which I thought was worthy of a mention. -- Egil 07:10 Mar 25, 2003 (UTC)
- The users of the first Kodak N°1, N°2 etc.. had to mail the camera back to the Kodak factory. But I think the brownie used rollfilm since the first one.
The first Brownie (later renamed N°1) used 117 giving 6x6 pictures. The N°2 used 120 giving 6x9 pictures.
::My understanding (but I am no expert on the subject) is that there is a difference is in the ability to load films in daylight. The first Kodak box camera in 1888 could not do this, so they were shipped to the factory for reloading. The first daylight loading roll film and camera was in 1891. The first Brownie model in 1900, which was the first really low cost camera. I've never heard that the Kodak No. 1 was ever called "Brownie". 
BTW I took the photo for the box camera article, this is a Brownie 2A using 116 film.
Have a look at this page http://members.aol.com/Chuck02178/brownie.htm
Ericd 22:50 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
"no more than a cardboard or plastic box"? What about box cameras made of wood or metal? Either include those materials or don't mention any of them.
CamCollector (talk) 16:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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