Talk:Hip hop music/Archive 2

message: According to the spanish Wikipedia Rap is the music and Hip Hop is the culture... Why the English wikipedia doesn't even adresses the fact that the term "Rap" was more popular than the term "Hip Hop" for this kind of music until the decline of the nineties? And... What about Catholic Rhythm And Poetry? It's not even mentioned I think but there are other religious variations to Hip Hop... Or I'm wrong and only catholics waste their time on such propaganda?  Herle King 19:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rap, religion and culture

message: I moved some stuff around.  I thought it best to start what a description of what hip hop actually is, so I moved that stuff into a section at the top.  I tend to think that should be expanded, and I'd like to move some of the detailed history stuff to history of hip hop music, where we can go into detail on every little thing that happened.  I tend to our genre articles are history-heavy in general... I'm partially to blame for that. I also removed a section, put it in roots of hip hop music (because there's already a subarticle there, so I didn't have to write a summary).  Tuf-Kat 08:25, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
:And its done.  The history section here could probably use a copyedit to make it flow better, since I mostly cobbled together bits and pieces from the various sections. Tuf-Kat 04:42, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
hiphop and rap are different.
rap is rap.
hiphop doesn't have to be rap.
for example Ciara is a hiphop artists, but she is not a rapper in the least. 
This should be addressed
Theonejanitor
I differentiate between Hip Hop as a style of music and rap as a style of music and I know that I'm not alone on this... I think that hip hop is typically more underground and complex and delves into deeper thematic themes while rap is more a part of popular culture and is thug stuff/gangsta stuff... 76.188.98.191 23:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorg, more to come

message: I have made a listing for "hip-hop" at Wikipedia:Errors in the Encyclopædia Britannica that have been corrected in Wikipedia#hip-hop because I feel Britannica's opening for that article is misleading or outright wrong.  The issue revolves around the claim that hip hop is the backing music for rap, the musical style incorporating rhythmic and/or rhyming speech that became the movement's most lasting and influential art form. Tuf-Kat 20:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Brittanica error

message: Er...where did all the album cover images go? --FuriousFreddy 00:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh...to history of hip hop music. Nevermind. --FuriousFreddy 00:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images. 

message: Quote: "making abundant use of techniques like assonance, alliteration,nigger loving and rhyme."
Is "nigger loving" supposed to be a technique of hip hop? 222.153.168.32 07:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: Theres so many needless newlines throughout.  Someone should get rid of them.  I eventually will but dont have time now.--Urthogie 15:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  styilize it 

message: Please ask questions at the Reference Desk--Urthogie 00:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what makes hip-hop music fresh (question from anon)

message: This version of this article is better and more informative than the current revsion. As a featured article, this needs to be exemplary of Wikipedia's best work? Are there any objections to rolling this article back to this revision (and then doing some tinkering to that version, such as the additions of more pictures, some formatting ,and fact-checking?) --FuriousFreddy 03:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the diff], BTW, and I think I agree (especially the lead). Tuf-Kat 04:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  The history section in that version overlaps too much with History of hip hop music(we created a seperate article for a reason).  I do agree however that other elements of that diff are better.--Urthogie 12:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a summarization of the history section; it is nbot nearly as in depth. As such, I don't see a problem; anything particularly superfluous can be shortened. --FuriousFreddy 00:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it was shortened.  I would support a rollback if you kept the current history section and rolled back the rest of the article.--Urthogie 09:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs rollback 

message: " the first bands to combine metal with rap vocal techniques are said to be Anthrax and Pantera " - This is from the article... since when did Pantera associate themselves with rap music? The only song that comes to mind that seems like it could be rapping is "Primal Concrete Sledge" and that's not even close. Pantera were in many ways all anti-trend: this stance intentionally stood in direct contrast to bands like Limp Bizkit and other rap-metal acts who are commonly dismissed as "trendy" by most Pantera fans. I also question why KoRn are considered rap-metal (apart from their collaborations with some rap artists and the cover of Ice Cube's "Wicked"), as their vocalist's "scatting" technique is really as close as it gets to actual rapping.
:"We've survived every fucking trend. Heavy metal, grunge metal, funk metal, rap metal - and we're still here. We put everyone on notice that we don't fuck around. Our fans know we're true right down to the fucking core." - Phil Anselmo --> seems to cause problems with the claim that Pantera is remotely related to hip hop.
I think you're right about that.  I've never seen anything about Pantera being rapcore.  Feel free to remove that.--Urthogie 07:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pantera? 

message: A comment on the samples. I've searched through the archives, but I can't find a discussion on which songs should be used as samples in this article. The samples should really be "encyclopedic", they should show the songs that marked hiphop history, show also the evolution of the genre, the different styles of hiphop, examples of the instruments used... I don't think these ones have these criteria. Maybe Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five's "The Message", The first major hip hop message song, is good; but the Busta Rhymes and the Jay-Z samples are not notable enough in hip hop history. I would like a discussion on which tracks we should feature, so these samples really offers information and knowledge. CG 21:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should feature an old school track like the message, an afrocentric golden age track, and a modern song, at the very least.  I agree most of them shouldn't be there.--Urthogie 21:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see anything wrong with the Jay-Z and Busta samples...both are very large figures in hip hop history, like it or not.  Jay-Z certainly, considering the enormous influence he's - unfortunately - had on hip hop in the 21st century.  Busta is more arguable; though he's very well-known and very unique I'm not sure he's a major part of hip hop history, considering he doesn't really sound like anyone else and spawned few if any imitators.  Anyway, all of them seem to be worthy but if I were to remove one I would probably remove one of the Wu-Tang solo tracks: both of them is a bit unnecessary considering they're in virtually identical style.  I would change the Mos Def sample to something from the Black Star album, to cover that whole Kweli/Mos Def/Slum Village/Roots afrocentric late-90s Starbucks-hop movement.  And I don't think the Outkast track is particularly great choice (love the song, just not particularly representative); needs something that really shows their wild 21st century experimentation, like Slum Beautiful or GhettoMusick.  --Jamieli 22:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GhettoMusick? That track was completely a copy off of other trends in electronic and hip-hop music. Although, I must admit it sounds very good when youre high :).  Anyways, I say we should go with the KISS principle and go with one song to represent for each era. --Urthogie 22:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it's a "copy off other trends" (whatever that even means) is completely and utterly irrelevant.  If anything, it makes it even more worthy of inclusion.  --Jamieli 10:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what it represents as far as the modern hip-hop era currently; Outkast was influential with southernplayalistik and aquemini, et al. but speakerboxx really wasn't significant musically(although it sold millions and millions).--Urthogie 12:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GhettoMusick showcases a) electronic/"techno" influence on hip hop in the late 1990s-present, b) Outkast being very wacky, c) Outkast being a duo consisting of two very different people, d) their strong P-Funk influence, e) a group who both sold a colossal amount of records and were critically acclaimed, despite not really sounding like anything else on the mainstream hip hop market (or mainstream music market) at the time.  Speakerboxxx/The Love Below and Stankonia have been two of the biggest hip hop albums of the 21st century, like it or not.  Some stuff from Aquemini or before would be welcome also however, there's enough variation.  --Jamieli 12:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Earlier Outkast work wins in all of those categories except sales.  As far as someone to represent the great sales of hip-hop, I'd say that 50 cent would be a better sample.--Urthogie 13:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 50 Cent should get a sample too, but he doesn't sound anything like Outkast.  If you can think of another Outkast track which is more representative (of them) then go ahead.  I'm by no means attached to GhettoMusick, it was just a suggestion as it has a lot of stuff going on.  --Jamieli 13:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Jay Z is a pretty big influence on a lot of new MC's though...--Urthogie 18:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So why Jay-Z isn't mentioned in the article? CG 18:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article really isn't featured quality.  Its simultaneously bloated and lacking info.  That's why I nominated it for removal from FA.--Urthogie 18:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that we need a lot more diversity here -- the majority of the samples we have are from New York-based artists from 1993-1999. Certainly this was a productive scene, but it's way overrepresented right now. My vision for this section is ultimately four groups of samples, each containing 8-10 samples, and covering 1979-1986 (the development of hip hop), 1986-1993 (the golden age), 1993-1999 (hip hop becomes mainstream) and 1999-present (the diversification/explosion of hip hop). That would hopefully allow us to represent a few more artists and styles, without totally overwhelming the visitor. Comments? ByeByeBaby 06:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 32 to 40 samples would be overwhelming to me... I think a better idea would be to split off the sample into the subgenre it represents, e.g., add a Run-D.M.C. sample to The golden age of hip hop. Then the most representative samples from each subgenre would be included in this, the main article. TheJabberwock 02:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music examples 

message: This article is very seriously tl;dr. A lot of it is restatement of prior content and most of it doesn't even have proper grammar. "[blank] arose" happens at least 4 times in what I've read and edited of the article, that's lazy writing. This really isn't featured article material, there needs to be more editing done. Also, chart numbers need to be cited. Reduce this article by about 40% and it'll be readable.--Mod 13:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, bloated.  I wouldn't oppose nominating it to be removed temporarily from featured article status for cleanup.--Urthogie 13:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nearly 6000 words. There needs to be a reduction to at least 3500 words. --Mod 13:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and it overlaps with history of hip hop music way too much.  I've nominated it for featured article removal(see template at top of page).--Urthogie 13:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow this article is bloated

message: Hip Hop is dead. these "subgenre" are simply what replaced it. Calling a new "Gangsta Rap" musican Hip Hop is as bizarre as calling a contemporary composer classical.--chompy 12:53, 2 March 2006
:Hip hop culture is focused almost completely on rap now, thats all.--Urthogie 13:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, hip-hop isn't dead. Calling hip-hop dead is like calling jazz music or classical music dead. Both these genres have been around for years, have suffered through all kinds of motions, have seen some fairly incredible stars, and have arrived in modern day sleek, stylish, and ever-changing. The only people who decry jazz or classical as dead are those ignorant of any developments that they might like. There's plenty of ridiculously boring jazz and classical music out there, there's plenty of pap that goes nowhere, from every era. However there's a lot of stuff that's well-done, emotional, and technically astounding. When everybody said disco died, house music promptly took its place. Hip-hop has seen a lot of changes the past 30 years and at every stage of it there have been the old generation naysayers and the disillusioned "ex-fans" who had vague and arbitrary reasons lined up for the death of their formerly favorite genre. It's still going strong and it's still making people money. You're wrong. --Mod 03:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hip Hop isn't A. Rap or B. Around anymore

message: In light of censorship, the wiki page Political_emancipation could use some attention. Currently it is only a stub. Particularly the explanation of the term 'political emancipation' entailing 'equal status of individual citizens in relation to the state, equality before the law, regardless of religion, property, or other “private” characteristics of individual persons' is construed to be an 'opinion' and 'not delivering a neutral point of view.' Does anyone have more information on the word 'emancipation' also being used in the political context of establishing (or any step moving towards) equality in light of the law? Inserting the Voting Rights Act as such a step of political emancipation, for instance, was repeatedly erased.
The question one could pose, is: When there have been only 3 African-American Senators in modern times (out of more than the 1500 Senators in total), would you say that political emancipation has been achieved? 
FredrickS 18:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Emancipation

message: Not all hip hop is rap music as the first sentence seems to state.  Rapping is a component of a lot of hip hop but it does not necessarily have to be there.  Consider a song like "Metaphysical" by Handsome Boy Modeling School-- definitely hip hop, but not a single line of rap on the whole track.  That is just one example.  There is a lot of hip hop that contains no rapping whatsoever and the first sentence is very misleading.  LearningKnight 00:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what's misleading about it.  It says that hip hop music is often called rap or rap music, which it is. The first sentence does not mention rapping.  Tuf-Kat 01:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Hip hop music (also referred to as rap or rap music) is a style of popular music." - That suggests that they are completely interchangeable terms. It's my understanding that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap. Does that sound right? Because it's not too clear in parts of this page and on the hip-hop disambiguation page. — Flooq (Talk) @ 03:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Different people use the words differently, but they are sometimes used interchangeably.  Some people believe that "all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap", others might disagree and still others don't know or care about any differences, or use "rap" exclusively.  Tuf-Kat 11:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If any KRS One fans are here, the differenc between rap and hip hop are prominent. As he stated, "rap is something you do (i.e. a career). Hip hop is something you live (i.e. something done for joy or love of its nature, along with being a culture)." Rapping, also referred to as MCing, is no more a part of hip hop culture than is B Boying (breakdancing), DJing, and graffiti, the most accepted pillars of hip hop. Albeit hip hop and rap are distinguished and this should be demonstrated throughout the page.Arabic Pilot 03:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rap v hip hop 

message: Why this page has not protection?
MoonGod 18:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it doesn't meet any of the rules laid out in the Wikipedia:Protection policy. Tuf-Kat 23:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with your decision. TheJabberwʘck 18:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: except now you're protecting vandalism from being corrected.  grrrr.  Anarchocelt 20:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism guard 

message: Guys, how I can add to my watchlist all articles from the "List of rappers" by one click? ;) --MoonGod 15:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Watch list

message: I have nominated :Category:Dead rappers for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. szyslak (t, c, e) 06:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Dead rappers nominated for deletion 

message: Is there anyway that a picture of a Rap Metal album could be added on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddude87 (talk • contribs) 2006-06-03
:Maybe Image:Attack Of The Killer B's.jpg could be added to History of hip hop music. Λυδαcιτγ(TheJabberwock) 03:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rap Metal Photo 

message: Hello, my congrats for this article. It's one the best in this topic, and is surely better than all the articles related to House music, Techno, Trance, Electronic dance music and their subgenres related ones.Brian W 19:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The best  

message: The term hip hop isn't synonymous with rap. Hip hop is a subculture within rap. Check out this site: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563537/Rap.html
:First, you misinterpret that site.  It says "Although the term rap is often used interchangeably with hip-hop, the latter term encompasses the subculture that rap music is simply one part of." -- i.e. rap is a subculture within hip hop, which is essentially what Wikipedia says too.  It also notes that hip hop and rap are sometimes used interchangeably, which they are. Tuf-Kat 03:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term Usage 

message: Can somebody please show me how (e.g. cite a source) asians and latinos initiated the hip hop cultural movement.  They didn't.  I have done my own research for school.  I have looked on other wikipedia articles.  It is not the case.  Hip Hop has been influenced by many cultures but it was not started by asians and latinos.  It was started by blacks.  The placement of asian and latino alongside black for the creation of hip hop is clearly and intentionally meant to exclude whites.
--Matt
:First, please assume good faith. I don't see any signs of an attempt to exclude anyone.
:That said, it would be helpful to clear this point up. Why don't you find a source that indicates that hip hop was initiated mainly by blacks? I can show you how to cite it, or you can take a look at WP:CITE. Thanks, Λυδαcιτγ 02:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, change made. Λυδαcιτγ 07:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin

message: I changed rock n roll in the rythmic structure section, to the more generic term "rock". My reasoning for this is that the term "rock n roll" usually refers to 50's era music, does indeed swing. maxcap 20:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock n roll in rythmic structure 

message: I think perhaps "nigger music" is not an appropriate redirect to here... -Elmer Clark 11:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, good catch.  I put it on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_deletion.  Thanks.  bikeable (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: LAWL ZOMG UR FUNNY.  Read this article, friend: stereotype.216.203.6.12 13:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "nigger music" 

message: 1994-1996 saw such classic albums as:
*The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994)
*Nas - Illmatic (1994)
*OutKast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik (1994)
*Common - Resurrection (1994)
*Jeru the Damaja - The Sun Rises in the East (1994)
*Method Man - Tical (1994)
*Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)
*Gang Starr - Hard to Earn (1994)
*Mobb Deep - The Infamous (1995)
*Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... (1995)
*Onyx - All We Got Iz Us (1995)
*GZA - Liquid Swords (1995)
*Smif-N-Wessun - Dah Shinin' (1995)
*Das EFX - Hold It Down (1995)
*AZ - Doe or Die (1995)
*Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version (1995)
*Bone Thugs - E. 1999 Eternal (1995)
*KRS-One - KRS-One (1995)
*Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy (1995)
*Nas - It Was Written (1996) (Don't kid yourself, it's an underrated classic.)
*Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt (1996)
*Lost Boyz - Legal Drug Money (1996)
*Redman - Muddy Waters (1996)
*Mobb Deep - Hell on Earth (1996)
*The Roots - Illadelph Halflife (1996)
*Xzibit - At the Speed of Life (1996)
*Chino XL - Here to Save You All (1996)
*Jeru the Damaja - Wrath of the Math (1996)
*Fugees - The Score (1996)
What, just because most of these albums are Hardcore/Mafioso/Gangsta means they're not the best?  They dominate albums from any other era.  Accept facts and move on with life...
-Tainted 
Drifter
:This is more relevant to Golden age hip hop; please comment there. Λυδαcιτγ 00:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's because of the ways in which I was brought into listening to hip hop and my age (28 as of this writing), but I think it's absurd to say that Ready To Die and Illmatic "are not considered classics."  Rather than making an argument for moving the date, however, I think this illustrates that the breakdown in the article is a little too rigid--Chronic might be the culmination of Dre's work, or it can be seen as the beginning of enormonus commercial success for Death Row in the mid 90s. --Saurav 10:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why aren't the mid 90s includes in the "golden age" of Rap?

message: This entire section Hip_hop_music#Criticism is just awful.  It consists of no actual criticism; just a set of accusations of who hates whom.  This sort of fourth-grade nonsense is wildly inappropriate for wikipedia.  Valid and sourced criticisms of hip-hip would be reasonable here, but I propose to remove the entire paragraph unless someone has a better plan.  thanks.  bikeable (talk) 18:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone's think about adding such a section, consider that no comparable genre I've found has an equivalent here, and when you think about that, it makes sense: criticism is generally better directed at specific artists than a genre as a whole; it would be kind of like having a criticism section on the article about a certain nation or religion rather than one of its members. — Lenoxus 23:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Criticism" 

message: The second sentence quoted below either needs a citation or should be removed altogether.  I move for the latter.
"In the 1990s, a prolonged confrontation between the West Coast gangsta rappers and the resurging East Coast began. It would lead to the death of both Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G., in 1996 and 1997 respectively."
Is there really any evidence that a prolonged confrontation beween "the" West Coast gangsta rappers and "the" resurging East Coast lead to the deaths of Tupac Shakur and the Notorious B.I.G.?  Both murders are still under investigation.  No one has been charged in either case.  The police have not named any suspects.
Given that the police do not know who killed these men, it seems unlikely that we could know that their deaths were somehow tied to the "prolonged confrontation" described in the sentence above.
Maybe the person who wrote these two sentences has some evidence that the police are unaware of but unless she/he can provide it, I say we delete the sentence.--Ryanlovesyou 23:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably could be worded differently, the feud certainly peaked with their deaths. maxcap 20:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure that's right.  My point was that since we have no idea who killed these men or why, we have no good reason to assume their deaths were connected with the feud.  If we do not assume that there deaths were connected witht he feud, then we have no reason to think the feud peaked with their deaths --Ryanlovesyou 23:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, on the other hand people associate(d) their deaths with the feud, wrongly or not. And there was a much hyped feud before their deaths, and afterwards...not so much (except in talking about whether or not the murders were related to the feud). maxcap 00:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem Sentence 

message: Does anyone have any information as to who first coined the term 'hip-hop' and when? Was the name created before or after other terms like 'rap'? I think the article would benefit from some research on this.
MagicBez 18:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of the phrase 'hip-hop' 

message: Maybe I'm showing my ignorance of the genre, but it seems to me that the phenomenon of  singles by "so and so feat. so and so with some guy" has increased exponentially in mainstream hip hop in the past five years or so. Does anyone have any insight into this? maxcap 18:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Simply put, names means as much as, if not more than, your creative product. Paralleluniverse 23:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featuring 

message: FTHHI has removed the entire History section, replacing it with "hip hop is gay....." I removed the comment, but didn't notice that the whole section had been removed until after I had done this. And I lack the knowledge of how to revert changes... Could someone with know-how please fix this? Thanks. :) --TheSlyFox 11:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with Vandalism? 

message: I've removed "Latinos" again from the sentence, ...hip hop, a cultural movement that was initiated by inner-city youth, mostly African Americans[1] in New York City, in the early 1970s.  The reference given is barely relevant, but mentions only African Americans.  If someone can provide a citation for Latino influence, we can of course add it back, but the phrase "mostly African Americans" seems highly appropriate to me.  bikeable (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have readded the Latino's mention, along with a source from the Smithsonian. --RapPhenom 21:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  first paragraph: "Latinos" 

message: I removed the following from 'World Hip Hop - Asia' section because it was largely unclear. Anyone with knowledge of hip hop in SL could translate/update? Fauxvegan 10:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: HipHop:Asia

message: Since I'm not an expert on the Rap music scene, I don't know if it's worth saving or not, but the Music of South Florida article is being nominated for deletion. Any input from experts in the rap scene would be welcome to improve the article and to provide an opinion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Music_of_South_Florida#.5B.5BMusic_of_South_Florida.5D.5D</br>  
Thanks! Dreadlocke  ☥  17:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Music of South Florida AfD

message: Just wanted to apologise for my vandalism of this page. I didn't mean to delete it all, but still that's not an excuse, this isn't a forum so I shouldn't have posted my gripes about rap here.
Thanks and sorry again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.1.145.30 (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apology

message: Excerpt from the section:
:While the majority of listeners are able to distinguish entertainment from lessons in social conduct, an evident pseudo-gangsta sub-culture has risen amongst North American youth.
That seems to be in tune with 50 Cent's "the thug life portrayed in gangsta rap is nothing but entertainment" mindset. Reword? — Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 11:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on youth 

message: the new section on "product placement" must be toned down signficantly.  A brief mention of the issue is certainly in order, but the whole section reads as ridiculously POV.  "Rappers worldwide have bowed down before large corporations as shills"?  Can you provide evidence beyond the article that anyone is offended by the trend?  I would suggest that cutting it to a non-POV description at about a third of the current length would be an adequate treatment.  bikeable (talk) 16:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: huh?  hip-hop long predates acid house.  bikeable (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: should have checked my facts, thanx for straightening that out. --AlexOvShaolin 03:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Product Placement section 

message: The language section is ridiculous... It serves a purpose, but could we please use more relevant slang than "yo" "phat" and "what's the dilly, yo"? And saying "Of special importance is the rule-based slang of Snoop Dogg and E-40 -izz to the middle of words" has no basis in fact. Of special importance to whom? Not even those two rappers use it that frequently anymore. And though the first recorded use of it may have been Frankie Smith's "Double Dutch Bus," I was under the impression that it was a Bay Area (California) slang, thus derived from there (as both emcees are from California, E-40 the Bay specifically) not the Frankie Smith song. And to that point, it should be mentioned that most emcee's slang is strongly influenced (defined even) by the city which they're from and that many cities, the Bay Area in particular, take a lot of pride in their slang. Also, that through popular Hip Hop recordings, certain slang expands from regional or city-exclusive to becoming used nationwide by the Hip Hop: "Diss" is mentioned in the article, but other examples could be mentioned, ones that expanded from their city but not necessarily to the non-Hip Hop public (e.g. Ballin, Stunt, Gwop, etc.).
Also, different subject, but I find it odd that there's no mention of the word "Nigga" in either the Hip Hop Music or the Rapping wikipedia article. Considering the controversy over the word's use and its prevalence in Rap music since the 1990s, it's at the very least worth a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.129.132.177 (talk) 07:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Language" 

message: hi, i was just watching CNN's specal: hip-hop: art or poison?
and i got the idea to post this if anyony has anything to say please fell free to speak!--Lolicon(Anti Child Porn)Saikano 17:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a discussion forum.  Talk pages are for talking about the article, not the subject matter.  Friday (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hip-Hop: Art or Crap? 

message: The beginning of this article is great talking about the history of rap coming from the streets of New York, but that's about where it ends. No mention of Chuck D or Ice-T? How can you possibly have an article about rap and not even mention Chuck D? Someone try to explain why this article should even exist without Chuck D please. Not to mention that Ice-T was the first gangster rapper. I am at a loss. And it was a featured article???Jsderwin 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a joke 

message: The sample for the song says this:
MC Hammer's "U Can't Touch This" (file info) — play in browser (beta) 
From the 1990 pop-rap album Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em, which sold 10 million copies, and, despite poor response from critics, is still the top-selling rap album of all time. 
its not the best selling rap album of all time, though at one point it might have been.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.18.17.22 (talk • contribs)  
: You're right.  I reworded it.  The RIAA best-sellers list is here, and I see that Speakerboxxx (11.0 million) and Crazysexycool (11.0 million) have both outsold Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em (10.0 million).  bikeable (talk) 02:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample for 'U Can't Touch This' 

message: Albania Albania and Kosovo have been a revolution in the hip-hop industry in Europe. Rap bands like The Bloody Alboz, Etno Engjujt, WNC, 2Po2, Double G Army, Tingulli 3, DMC, Rudi and others have striven to portray the real Albanian attitude of today. Albanian rappers like Rebel aka UniKKatiL, Lyrical Son and Milot have become successful in part because their high sound quality and excellent performance standards are considered the equal of anything available from American or other sources.
1) for those less informed .. albania is a country .. and kosovo is a province of serbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo)
so it would be great if someone with access to the material could remove kosovo from the list
2) the stuff and the bands pointed out for the sebia is not correct.. but i would prefer if someone would point out to me the number of posts or other things that i need to correct it myself later on...
thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aupicku (talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  psz change this 

message: The 'Hip hop music' article has been blanked and replaced by some advertising for a musical group, and I can't fix it because I am not registered. Please revert it to the version before the one by Snakeguitars. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.118.0.28 (talk) 02:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please fix this (semi-protected) 

message: I noticed there wasn't much in the article about music theory in hip hop like there is in other music articles. Maybe it would be good to talk more about it. (Musicophilia 20:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music theory?