Talk:Francis Boyle

message: There is not a single reference which can prove this. Professor Boyle did not even comment those themes...--Thom977 (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove what exactly? Hooooooof (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATO bombing and Kosovo 

message: n/t. --Belchman (talk) 05:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was the professor born? 

message: Hyperionsteel and No More Mr Nice Guy,
You have both either deleted or heavily edited the following excerpt, stating that youtube is not a reliable source.
"Furthermore, in a recent interview, Boyle stated:
“I spoke with the head military lawyer for IDF, Joel Zinger. You know, I spent two weeks here. It’s clear you people are inflicting Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians, exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What’s your explanation? He said, ‘Military necessity.’ Notice that he didn’t disagree with me! I said that argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers of the Nazis made them. He said, ‘Well, we have public relations people in the United States, and they handle these matters for us.’" [16]"
Hyperionsteel, after audaciously questioning my intelligence, you requested that a more reliable source would be a transcript of the interview. Apparently you did not even go to the source before questioning its integrity, because if you had, you would find no reason to question whether or not Boyle made this statement. Furthermore, you went ahead and summarized the quote, supposedly "to make it less POV". You summarized it as such:
"In an interview posted on Youtube, Boyle recounted a conversation with Joel Zinger, the head military lawyer for IDF. Boyle claimed that he had told Zinger that Israel was inflicting crimes against the Palestinians similar to those committed against the Jews by the Nazis during World War II, to which Zinger reportedly replied that the actions of the Israeli military are "military necessity." Boyle argued that this argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers of the Nazis made them, to which Zinger reportedly replied "Well, we have public relations people in the United States, and they handle these matters for us." "If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing!" Representative Press. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA&feature=watch_response_rev."
claimed and reportedly do not make it less POV, neither does "In an article posted on YouTube".
Regardless, the reliable source example page states, " In some cases, video clips published on YouTube may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed." Furthermore, the no original research page instructs, "Policy: Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.[4] Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source."
The quote comes from a 'video clip published on YouTube.' It is a primary source. Primary sources may be used on Wikipedia to make 'straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source.' The above paragraph does exactly that, without any interpretation. Anybody can click on the source. And once they click on the link, assuming that they have functional eyes and ears, they can verify that these were Boyle's exact words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VivaWikipedia (talk • contribs) 01:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I will have to audaciously question your intelligence again; the words "claimed" and "reportedly" are certainly more POV in this case, as does citing this quote as being sourced as a youtube video, which is the one (and only) source. In addition, this is not simply a "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts" or even an opinion by Boyle. Rather, Boyle is making very serious allegations against Zinger. I suggest you read Wikipedia's policy on BLP (Biographies of Living Persons), which requires accusations like this to be reliabily sourced if they are to be included in Wikipedia (for both accuracy and liability purposes, among others). In this case, the only source is a youtube video in which Boyle recollects a conversation he had with Zinger. If this was published in a mainstream source, it would be a different story. Wikipedia is not a place to post allegations such as this that cannot be reliably sourced. In fact, this entire quote should probably be deleted unless a reliable source can be found.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 04:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, this is not simply a "direct quote" by Boyle. Rather, Boyle is quoting somebody else (in this case Zinger). Therefore, the reliable source requirements for BLP apply. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 04:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

text: In addition to the above, you can't use the equivalent of a blog to make statements about 3rd parties. See WP:SPS.No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 04:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, if you can find a video on Youtube of Zinger making these alleged statements, feel free to reinsert it.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct Quote 

message: The format (or outline) of this article is scattershot at best. The article is wildly incomplete and out of date. It is difficult to pick apart Boyle's anti-semitism from his peacemaking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.80.113 (talk) 20:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Quality 

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message: Seems like a quote farm on this person, and the sources are dicey. Coretheapple (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Article issues

message: this conspiracy theory stuff looks at first glance to be a violation of BLP. Note that we use only one source, which is an opinion piece (see the bottom of the article, it says: "The views and opinions expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Forward".) Onceinawhile (talk) 13:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and remove it, but also note possible sources - although not for BDS.. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection from me to include an attributed statement of Jerold Auerbach's views. But what was there before called him a "conspiracy theorist" in Wikipedia's voice, which has a much higher burden of proof. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP violoation 

message: If Dr. Francis Boyle is a doctor and professor isn't he a source, and not a source of controversy? --Massintel (talk) 05:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: New stuff goes to the bottom. Your question seems to be a demand to regard people with academic grades as uniformly reliable. That approach does not work since being human and therefore fallible cannot be cured by acquiring a degree. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: question

message: His theory is (among others) backed by a new study at Hamburg University: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Hamburger-Forscher-Coronavirus-stammt-wohl-aus-Labor,corona6764.html - Maybe someone wants to add this? (I'm not a native English speaker.) ---  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.185.16 (talk) 15:37, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covid-19 conspiracy theory 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Frances Boyle. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 28#Frances Boyle until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Bearcat (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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