Talk:Lillooet

message: I've been the main contributor to this page, and have sought to incorporate material from the original, shorter page into newer material; I'd appreciate advice from Wikipedia specialists on how to get it to conform to style/content guidelines; my own style is rambling but attempts to be thorough; on the other hand because of incorporating previous material there is some repetition, maybe, and some recursive comments that could be combined or condensed.  Advice please to mikecleven_at_gmail.comSkookum1 22:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: The population figures in the InfoBox are those for the District only.  The town, in an informal sense, includes the three main reserves of the Lillooet Tribal Council which abut the town on all sides, and in a practical sense also includes the population of the Fountain Indian Reserve, about 12 km up Hwy 99, although that place will have its own entry anyway, as will the reserves.  I'll figure out the totals and put the real-town total in the text, rather than the infobox; above and beyond the reserve populations there are unincorporated populations down the West Side Road (Texas Creek et al) and up the lower Bridge River and otherwise outside the district boundaries and the immediate vicinity of town.Skookum1 21:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: For anyone who's been/lived there, they'll recognize this as something of a local expression, as also the name of the annual town celebrations in July, also known as Gold Rush Days on the lillooetbc website.  But the reason the expression exists is because of the town's many singularities; just wondering about listing some of them, whether it's the wild white poppy and wild asparagus or the Death Slides and Hanging Tree and Ice Caves, or any of the particular type of town gossip/affairs that can qualify; the comment can be as much cynicism as anything else, of course.  What does come to mind, right away, are bits of Lillooet speech - "ooizit" and "kweesht", which I'd thought of adding to Canadian English but seem so specific to Lillooet/Seton/the Canyon and adjoining areas I think they're better put on local pages, since they're not standard Canadian English, nor even standard BC English.  Can anyone visiting here thing of other things that locals say that you just don't hear anywhere else?Skookum1 06:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Only In Lillooet" section considered 

message: Seriously, it seems kind of unencyclopedic. I live in Sitka and we get loads of celebrities and people passing through but it hardly seems notable to stick it on a town or city's encyclopedia entry. Jarfingle 03:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Imagine if NYC had a notable visitors section. --Usgnus 03:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credibility of "notable visitors" section? 

message: What's the origin of the name?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  22:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a complicated story....some might be accounted for on Talk:Lillooet River, if not I'll be back later tonight, I have errands to do and it's too involved to give a brief answer.....Skookum1 (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, like I said it's complcated and many people are also confused why the town of Lillooet isn't on the Lillooet River.  Hte name-origin is from the ancient First Nations name of what is now hte Mount Currie reserve, Lil'wat, which popular lore says means the type of wild onion that grows in the area, but lately I've seen lingists saying "no, it doesn't," and that it's of unknown meaning.  Mount Currie was "Old Lillooet", and "the country of the Lillooet" was from the top end of the Douglas Portage (from Harrison to Little Lillooet Lakes) onwards; in white eyes, that is, as really the name only applied to the site of Mount Currie, and in the form Lil'wat'ul to the people, or thigns to have to do with Lil'wat....in native terms their mythographic boudnary is a place called the Footstone near Birken; beyond that was the country of the lakes and Fraser River people; this has to do with what comes next.  The town of Lillooet's original "white name" was Cayoosh or Cayoosh Flat; it was one of half-a-dozen gold rush bootowns in the vicinity, but hte only one surviving the rush and that remained as any kind of a resemblance to the town by mid-1860.  It was then, during a visit by the Governor (or Judge Begbie, but I think it was Gov. Douglas), that residents petitioned the government for a change in the name of the town, as "Cayoosh" was deemed objectionable, possibly because of the name-aasociation with the Cayuse War and associated hostile native peoples.  They proposed the name Lillooet as being "more euphonious", apparently because the town was at the end of what was by then known as the Lillooet Trail, meaning originally the trail through the country of the Lil'wat.  Because Lil'wat/Lillooet was the name of, or belonging to, the people in the Pemerton Valley, permission was required and granted; in the course of which the Lil'wat and the St'at'imc came to terms over their shared name - "We are all Lillooet now" as one St'at'imc chief put it (St'at'imc means "people of Sat', which is the hame of the Bridge River Rapids north of town and was a collecctive name for the non-Thompson,non-Shuswwap inhabitants of the rapids area (both were present at the fishing site in the old days).  Today you'll hear some people say the whites stole the name, or that they were mistaken; but it was all done :"indigenously correct".  Taht is, if you don't dismiss non-indigenous accounts simply because they're non-indigenous.  In terms of putting this in the article, I think the easiest and maybe most succinct way to do it is for me to find the relevant passage in Mrs. Edwards' or Mrs. Harris' books, and use a blockquote.  Anyway, there you have it; any number of subtopics tangent off it but I'll leave off here....Skookum1 (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What's in a name? 

message: The new mistitled/ or mis-contented "Education" sectino has been expanded with significant detail about Fountainview Academy (currently a redirect here, and shouldn't be), which once I'm woken up will split off as a separate article; for one thing it's not in the District of Lillooet, albeit it is in the Lillooet District (word order has a lot to do with very real esmantics as used in the area!); it does deserve its own article and a palce on the BC Education tempaltes, so after I'm woken up I'll split it off and rewrite the section here covering SD schools; FN schools also although they're not "in" t he District of Lillooet, though in the greater town of Lillooet (which Fountainview isn't; in fact being on the south side of hte Big Slide kinda puts it "outside" Lillooet...."Lillooet" in that context being the sociogeographic space aka the Lillooet Country, although really I guess Laluwissen is more likely the "boundary" with the "Lytton Country")Skookum1 (talk) 14:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Fountainview Academy]]

message: Just added an Image of the "Welcome to Lillooet" Sign, I Took the image in July 2010 when driving from Calgary to Vancouver, I hope the image comes in useful, after all it is the only real image on the article. HordeFTL (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Image

message: Seems Ashcroft, and Spences Bridge seems to be forgotten alot in regards to desert like climates. Being from the island, i really dont consider Lytton, nor Lillooet to be desert. Kind of the the fringe really. I imagine it's a thorn in the side of the Lillooet and Oysoyoos fan boys, i would rather be ignored by same  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.194.133.9 (talk) 22:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: None of them are proper desert, despite Osoyoos' loud promotional brags about being the only one in Canada.  They're all just semi-arid, and it applies to Big Bar and Riske Creek as well as Ashcroft-Cache Creek and Spences Bridge.....Kamloops and the TNRD promote an area on the northwest side of Kamloops Lake as "Red Desert Country" also.  Being from the Island, why do you care at all?Skookum1 (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Oh, so you're just here to yank my chain?  How nice, kinda cute.  "Lillywet" is not made up, and your "latent fanboy" comment indicates you're just a piss-ant.  Smalltown bulls**t.  And typical Canadian carping and criticism...you live for that huh?Skookum1 (talk) 02:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashcroft 

message: There's no historical population or historical commerce here as yet, and I haven't added information on the ranching and farming industry in the area, the new winery, and more; but suffice to say History of Lillooet is a probable spin-off article...as there's so much of it, as with other towns of its vintage and historical importance in BC.  In re the commercial and population matters, I have hand-written notes transcribed from early censuses to add, but also lately have discovered the Vancouver Public Library has a large collection of online city directories, which lay out who could afford to pay for a listing (not a population matter, more like a local who's-who and merchants, etc); among them the listing of the Chinese merchants for most years, and listings of farmers; "Lillooet" meaning more than today's DoL, of course, and also including listings for the rest of the Land District (incl e.g. Clinton and Big Bar). Pages like this from 1863, or this from 1898 are too many to list all here; some include descriptive articles about the local economy...including early mention of how well grapes grew.  They're not available in all years; sometimes it's a San Francisco shipping guide or a Victoria-only list, or just a listing of government officials as in the 1860 one.  Sometimes they might be used as a cite for other articles, such that so-and-so lived there or did business there for bios; had a full list for Bralorne in 20th C pages too, and Seton Portage and Shalalth and others sometimes have their own listings, depending on the year.  
Starting this section to use for notes drawn from them as I have time to explore them; they're interesting reading if you know the local names, many of which are still around town (Lillooet has an entrenched settler population from gold rush/ranching times), and I'll use the merchant listing for the Chinatown section even though their stores were all facing Main Street (China Alley being out the back below the residential Chinatown below what is now the BCR/CN tracks); so far all I see is merchants, though I think Wo Hing was also listed as a farmer.  With the names found, also, I'll write the Chinese resources institute at UBC again and ask for specific records on specific people and see if I get an answer this (fourth) time I will have written them.  Watching the rotation of type of listing for certain individuals has been interesting e.g. Dan Hurley (businessman) who was hotelier, storekeeper, hunting guide and more, listed variously.  The variable spelling of Joseph l'italienne (Joe Italian for example even though the name is French) gets interesting too; the name Nicoli in the first directory linked above is still around as Nickoli, and the family is still in the freighting business.  Certain natives are listed, I'm thinking of Frank Gott's family,but then he was a hunting guide so that'st a business listing; few notable natives like James Scotchman (Grand Chief Jimmy Scotchman) have listings if any.Skookum1 (talk) 11:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Directory listings 

message: I see no reason at all for Lillooet railway station to be its own article, especially given its minimal content; the station is not notable itself.Skookum1 (talk) 09:05, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Note also the parallel merge discussion at Talk:Seton Portage#Merge discussion.  Both NN and UNDUE and no reason to exist separately from their community articles.Skookum1 (talk) 09:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge discussion 

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message: I’ve noticed that the heatwave record for the June 2021 heatwave may be outdated. References 7 and 10 both say that the highest temperature was 46.8C on June 29, but for some reason in the both the paragraph and climate table that cite these references it is showing what was then the record temperature of 44.8C recorded two days prior on June 27. Looking at the edit history I can see that this was originally there but was (possibly accidentally) reverted by a user because they were trying to revert some other more dodgy edits. Seeing that the June 29 record is clearly cited by both Sources 7 and 10, I was going to edit it back, but I didn’t want to accidentally start an edit war or create a problem. Should I do it or leave it as it is, despite it being outdated? - InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 12:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it’s been a while and nobody has replied, I decided to be bold and do the edit. Revert if there’s a problem. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 13:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2021 heatwave record (outdated?)