Talk:Kiribati

message: This is only a minor point but it may be of some interest for the Health section. After Independence (1979), at least through the early 80s, UK physicians (and their families) were posted on the major islands. I don't know when the postings ended. Perhaps someone with better access to NHS history/archives could add a line and cite or efn. Zatsugaku (talk) 22:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  NHS Physicians Post-Independence 

message: has added a lengthy list of Christian denominations in the infobox which were previously included in the "Other Christian" category. It's a burden on the lead and the relevant religion section of the article is the better place for elaborating the denominational breakdown from my perspective. RegardsNeplota (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   are you serious? You, not me, have started an editwar on this article as you have did on other articles since July. You have not respected the rule of 3 edits on Kiribati and you are putting other things than sources say. So your "perspective" is not an argument. and I will ask for your account to be blocked.--Arorae (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You wrote on your last diff comment "I am just defending the stable version of the article before you added a lengthy list of the Christian denominations in the infobox which can be better elaborated in the relevant section.". The problem is that the new results of the 2020 Census were published on June 2022, and I have updated them because they give other keys and figures of each religious denomination, especially after the new Kiribati Uniting Church, created just after the 2015 Census, started again to divide itself into 2 completely different denominations, since 2015 and on. And you cannot add together KUC with KPC and also with complete different religions, some are not even Christian.--Arorae (talk) 14:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Dear Neplota, you say that I am disrespectful with you, but you have systematically undone all my edits since July 2022 without replying at one of my comments. So I am glad that you have finally accepted to discuss this topic. You say that on your opinion, we cannot insert all the denominations in the Infobox. So you have decided to put together "potates and carrots" as said my old math teacher. The problem is that you cannot only indicate the RC and the KUC, the 2 main denominations, and ignore the third one (KPC). And ignore also the Bahai (2.1%) or the Adventists (same figure). There is no technical limit in the length of an Infobox, but you cannot make strange additions that doesn't exist in the Source (official 2020 Census, published June 2022) about the 119,438 inhabitants of Kiribati. You have reverted so many times all the data in less than one month (according to an Admin, you haven't reverted it 3 times in less than 24 hours, you are lucky because you will receive no block), but it is not the very first time that you show few capacity of fair exchange, not replying or opening discussion so lately, as you have done here. Of course the article Religion in Kiribati could me more precise and complete than the Infobox, but the source is primordial and you cannot alterate numbers. Regards.--Arorae (talk) 17:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This was overly detailed for the infobox. I removed another Christian denomination, outside of Catholics, it is very mixed. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 19:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Lengthy Christian denominations list in the infobox

message: Re the recent infobox edits, here are some citations for the pronunciation of Kiribati in Gilbertese. https://www.britannica.com/place/Kiribati
and https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/kiribati
I can provide some assurance that this is generally correct, but I have no info whether the correct convention here should be Kiribas, Kiribass, or kɪrəbæs. Zatsugaku (talk)
:. Gilbertese language pronounces Kiribati as /Kiribæs/ but IPA ([ˌkɪrɪˈbæs]) should be more specific or accurate. Most of the people pronounce the letter i as in English "bit". --Arorae (talk) 06:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Kiribati in Gilbertese 

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message: A couple of topics might be worth adding enhancing so we can add wikilinks.
1)    Should there be a short section here on Kiribati’s response during the pandemic? There is a main page COVID-19_pandemic_in_Kiribati, but it doesn’t seem to be referenced on this page. It also isn’t referenced in the list on National_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic page. I think there should be enough mentioned here to at least to have wikilinks. 
2)    A recent event that has been in the news has been the hospital ship visit by China to several Pacific nations, including Kiribati. Does it justify mention here or merely on the Foreign_relations_of_Kiribati main page and/or only on the China–Kiribati_relations page (neither of which mention the visit yet)? Zatsugaku (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: These sound like very specific additions to this very general page. Have you considered whether other subpages may be a more appropriate? CMD (talk) 01:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: CMD, sure. However, for 1 I think the minimum is a single sentence somewhere to contain the wikilink to the current COVID pandemic in Kiribati main page. And I can also add a new list entry on the National responses page also going to that page. For 2, if you think the ship visit only belongs on the China-Kiribati page, that is just fine. At some point it might be appropriate to be part of a more integrated discussion on the Foreign relations page. Thanks. Any other thoughts? Zatsugaku (talk) 03:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the current state of the article a sentence on Covid-19 might fit in history, over time secondary and tertiary sources should establish its relative importance more clearly. I do not think the ship visit belongs on this page, but it may be appropriate for Foreign relations of Kiribati. CMD (talk) 03:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found an additional page, COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania that should probably be fit. into the same sentence. Zatsugaku (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Additions done. Zatsugaku (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modest additions to improve wikilinks  

message: Twice now, User:Sri Imperator Maharaja has edited this article to report the formal name of Kiribati to be the "Independent and Sovereign Republic of Kiribati", the second time supplying two sources in the edit summary, and User:Glide08 has reverted it as mistaken. I checked the country's constitution and found no declaration of its official name. There is section 132, "Interpretation", that defines terms used in the document, including:
* Kiribati' means the territories which immediately before Independence Day comprised the colony of the Gilbert Islands, and which are more particularly specified in Schedule 2 to this Constitution". "Kiribati" isn't defined here in terms of a longer formulation, as it would be if it were meant to be understood as a substitute for an official name. Instead, it's defined directly in terms of the geographical expanse of the country. This suggests to me that "Kiribati" is its official name.
* the Republic' means the Republic of Kiribati". The capitalized "R" suggests that "Republic" is part of the country's name, but "Republic of Kiribati" appears no where else in the document (except as noted below), and, as I already observed, "Kiribati" isn't defined in terms of it. I suspect it's just a matter of a spelling practice that I wouldn't have recommended if I'd been consulted: it should read the Republic' means the republic of Kiribati".
At the end of the constitution is Schedule 1, "Oaths and Affirmations". which provides four oaths for various occasions, such as  Here, we do have "Independent and Sovereign Republic of Kiribati". But because this has appeared nowhere else, and given the ceremonial nature of these oaths, I think that this is no more than floral verbiage contrived for this purpose alone and that it is in no way an official name. Perhaps the sources SIM provided observed this formulation and concluded that it must be the formal, official name of the country. That might seem to be a reasonable inference, but, as I've shown, it doesn't hold up in the broader context.
Oh, but now I just looked at the UN's list of official names of its members. It gives "Republic of Kiribati". If that's the name Kiribati is giving to the UN to use, then maybe they do treat it as the official name even though their constitution doesn't say so. Maybe it's been declared in legislation. Largoplazo (talk) 15:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Republic of Kiribati, without "Independent and Sovereign", is the name that appears on the EU's Institutional Style Guide and the United Nations Multilingual Terminology Database (UNTERM), and also on the cover of Kiribatian passports, so that's the correct one. Glide08 (talk) 19:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Also, the sources Sri Imperator Maharaja used include worldstatesmen.org, which is flagged as an unreliable source here. Glide08 (talk) 19:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be "Republic of Kiribati"/"Ribaberiki Kiribati", per all sources given plus UNGEGN. CMD (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Independent and Sovereign Republic of Kiribati