Talk:Mjölnir

message: Does anyone know how to pronounce mjolnir? I've not been able to figure it out or find it. I've been saying it like (mah-law-ner) and im probably wrong. anybody know? User:SirParagon
:Usually Js end up with a Y sound, so something like mih-yohl-ner would be close. I figure even if I mangle the word by saying it that way, it still sounds better than saying mole-ner and pretending the J doesn't exist. ;-) --NormanEinstein 13:43, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
::I had a professor who said there was a glottal stop in there which doesn't translate at all into modern English.  It's kind of a throat clearing sound at the top of the throat.  Anyway, it sounds like Myoat-ner.  The glottal stop is the oat.
I have heard, from not-necessarily-schollarly sources that the pronunciation is something like im-yole-nir with the stress on the first and second syllables.
can anybody give a pronunciation that is backed up and properly cited?
I pronounce it Myolnir. That's the approximate Scandinavian pronunciation (cf. Scandinavian languages). This is backed up by the Infoplease article, which cites the Random House Unabridged Dictionary. I have two other unabridged dictionaries I can check if that doesn't satisfy everyone. None that there is no vowel between the M and the y. If you find that difficult to pronounce, it could be approximated by saying "Me-olnir" with a really quick "e".
--70.36.146.44 01:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: Stan Lee, co-creater of Marvel Comics's The Mighty Thor claims that Mjolnir is a made up word.--Carlaude (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless Lee is a vampire or a time traveler or a time-traveling vampire, he is spectacularly wrong here. Let's clear this up once and for all. As I understand, "Mjöllnir" would be the proper Old Norse name (ctrl+f the word here:  - Lokasenna is from at least the 13th century) and the term is sometimes anglicized as "Mjolnir" or "Mjollnir" without the ö. In modern Danish and Norwegian, that'd be with an ø instead of ö. Now, if you think Lee's claiming he made up the precise anglicization "Mjolnir" a simple Google Books search proves him wrong, yielding hits from at least 1901 (). :bloodofox: (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He must have forgot where he learned it and maybe thought he (or someone else) had made it up. In any case your link shows him to be wrong, thanks. --Carlaude (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, glad to help! :bloodofox: (talk) 21:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Stan Lee is famous for spinning yarns, I wouldn't really take his side if there are conflicting accounts. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Stan Lee often forgets things easily. So it was probably just a simple mistake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.250.4 (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

text: He's technically correct as long as he didn't specify when. All words are made up at some point 208.110.180.67 (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious: Mjolnir, the hammer's name in Norse myth and Stan Lee

message: In the section discussing Mjoelnir's orgins from the Skáldskaparmál, the wording makes it very confusing as to who the sons of Ivaldi are. Are they the two he bets with? The two who made mjoelnir? Both? I forget who the two pairs of dwarves are, but I do believe that it was four distinct dwarves, not two. 
Anyone remember? Utgardsloki (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   Sons of Ivaldi 

message: In the Santa page on Wikipedia the word Jolnir is associated with Yule Figure when compared to Odin.
That, if true, is quite a coincidence. LeapUK (talk) 10:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It may just be me, but I see no mention of any 'Jolnir' on that page, coincidental or otherwise. Nor did I find any sources referring to this. Kleuske (talk) 11:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Search for Jólnir. The line says "The leader of the wild hunt is frequently attested as the god Wodan (Norse Odin), bearing (among many names) the names Jólnir, meaning "Yule figure", and Langbarðr, meaning "long-beard", in Old Norse." So, it's another name for Odin. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it. Thanks. I wouldn't attach too much meaning to two (more or less) similar names, though. I also advice a firm dose of skepticism when dealing with this kind of folklore pundits. Case in point: the Wild Hunt ws very popular in the 19th century and much nonsense was produced attributing all kinds of things to it. Kleuske (talk) 12:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name in reference to Odin 

message: It is my understanding the "only the worthy can lift the hammer" is just a Marvel fiction, it has no historical root in the Norse mythology. Can someone please confirm or deny this?
If it is true than the article should state it.
If it is false then the article should probably mention it, too and we should remove the note 2 which refers to this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnoSD (talk • contribs) 11:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifting Mjöllnir 

message: Under etymology there are a couple of references to the name being related to grind stones and grinding meal, which would be interesting to compare to the Biblical reference to an angel casting down a "stone like a great millstone" (Rev 18:21) into the ocean (that being the home of jormungandr) to destroy Babylon (which is ruled by a Dragon).
Things like this make me wonder on cross-cultural influences. LeapUK (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be some serious OR to say that the two are related, but there was a study done a few years back that was able to trace pretty much every "origin story" myth to the same location (i.e. pretty much every culture has the same base story that came from a single region). Primefac (talk) 13:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we know the link amongst Indo-European religions, so it would not be that large a step. Maybe someone with some funding and tenure can look into it? :D LeapUK (talk) 12:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grindstone reference 

message: The article currently shows a pronunciation with a long "aw" sound /ɔ:/, but the reference is to Random House.  At the Random House Dictionary, if you click "show IPA", the IPA transcription shows a short /ɔ/ sound, not a long /ɔ:/.  It also shows an ending in /ɪr/.  This seems to me more correct that the IPA currently shown in this article.  Worth correcting? 86.163.171.174 (talk) 22:32, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Despite its visibility, this article is currently largely in a poor state, a far cry from the quality of English Wikiepdia's Thor and Thor-related articles (compare many of the well-developed articles listed at :Template:Þórr, which carefully outline primary sources and chart discussion by scholars). I'll start preparing a rewrite over the next few days that will bring it to that level of quality. I qill post a link when I've made progress. :bloodofox: (talk) 05:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would very much appreciate if you could possibly neutralize the taint that is afflicting this part of our common Scandinavian cultural heritage. As you can see in the graph the interest grew suddenly after Trump's shameful attack on the United States Capitol. The White supremacists are doing what the Nazis did, tainting something that has nothing to do with them. Winge's painting of Thor was once a liberal statement against ignorance, now it is being interpreted in ways it was never intended.--Berig (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I figure the best way to deflect the efforts of, for example, neo-Nazi groups who hope to co-opt this stuff is by producing the best possible entry on the topic—drawing only from the best possible sources—making it much more difficult for these groups to present their personal interpretations as fact to the general public (and the media). I regret that this article wasn't in a better place when it received so many views recently (fortunately the site's Yggdrasil and valknut articles are much better). For now, I'm dropping my ongoing work on Ægir to focus on getting a new draft together for this page. As of now I am most of the way through the eddic poetry corpus. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, thank you. I agree that that's the best strategy. I'm afraid I can't help, for a number of reasons including increasing conflict of interest, except by possibly providing page refs to de Vries and some other old scholars that  may also have ready access to. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are all most welcome to assist! One thing that would be really helpful would be a table listing as many archeaological finds of the hammer as possible, which could include data about where it was found, its material, and in where it is today. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  and , I've made some progress with the rewrite here. Looking for databases outlining all hammers found to date, I encountered something I wasn't aware of: Eitri - the Norse Artifacts Database by Katherine Beard. Beard produced this database in parallel with her MA thesis, which is focused on Mjölnir and will make for a great place to draw current references and data for the rewrite. :bloodofox: (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite incoming 

message: I've launched a rewrite of the article that should provide a much stronger foundation moving forward. Please edit (especially any typos you find!) and expand. , care to sort through the etymology? I've just pulled the data in the current "etymology" section directly from Simek and I realize that entry may have been written in the 1970s.
Please note that there's plenty more that can be added to this rewrite—for example, it'd be great to have a lot more data on the amulets and their precursors, sections about potential Nordic Bronze Age depictions, discussion about comparative material from Indo-European studies, and the potential Sámi depictions. The saga corpus also isn't yet addressed in the "attestations" section. Beard's 2019 database and MA thesis (supervised by Gunnell) were extremely helpful for producing a rewrite in a timely manner and features discussion of all these topics. :bloodofox: (talk) 07:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Launched

message: At the moment the only reference to the Marvel comics, which represent one of the dominant occurrences of Mjölnir in the popular consciousness, is in the disambiguation. This probably ought to be changed by someone who knows more about both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.8.71 (talk) 12:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add reference to Marvel comics in the popular culture section