Talk:Cruller

message: I've heard the Cruller is the only donut made with egg. True?
:Not likely. Maybe at a really penny pinching donut shop, or if you're visiting a mostly vegan donut place or something like that. Whitebox (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
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message: You people should be ashamed for deleting a very, very rich popular culture section. It may have been weakly sourced, but Jesus, it is a snack that isn't going to sue you or start a flame war.
Now the article is a bunch of babble about Europeans. Nice.--208.127.100.74 (talk) 08:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Popular Culture of the Cruller Outshines the Cruller Itself

message: What's the difference between a cruller and a French cruller?
The links to the references on this page need to be fixed.
ICE77 (talk) 05:24, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: I have often seen the alternate spelling "Crueller," yet it is not mentioned in this article. 70.192.13.62 (talk) 06:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: This article suffers heavily from being written from a US perspective (which it should be, imo) without that being made clear.
The spelling of the name cruller certainly looks like it was derived from Dutch or (Saxon) Low German (which would indicate a Pennsylvania Dutch connection), but the pastry itself appears to be most similar to the Scandinavian versions in shape, recipe and manufacture. I can't find a single reference in any Dutch dictionary or source about a pastry called a krulle (actual spelling in main ref Boston Herald) or krullen (unreferenced spelling in the article). According to Dutch wikipedia there is a local soft white bread bun with a knot in it stemming from the 1860s in a small 10km region in Brabant, eaten once a year, called a krol in the local dialect, but this appears to be a very rare baked good, as there are few sources for it.
It is not made clear that a 'French cruller' is a relatively recently invented/coined American pastry with extruded dough most similar to the German spritzkuchen in form, or in lesser degree a Spanish churro or Italian zeppole. Some Turkish lokma types (which have a much more ancient history) and Pakistani jalebi are also very similar. Although also using choux dough it is unlike a traditional French beignet. The word beignet is also confused, the French wikipedia page on 'donut' claims that although in France an American-style 'donut' is called a donut or sometimes a beignet sucré, a 'donut' is called a beigne in the French of Quebec or a beignet in Cajun. The Dutch sprits is inspired from the German spritzkuchen but although the dough is extruded it is a baked cookie not a deep fried dough. 
The information on Wikipedia about the Scandinavian klenät/klejner, which appear to be the most likely origin for the modern American pastry, is also confused/untrustworthy. The English article claims it has existed since the 1400s, but provides no good source for this. The earliest mention of the word appears to be in a Swedish poem about a feast from 1800, although it is unclear if this actually refers to the same recipe. The Danish article says that the pastries and the tradition of serving them at Christmas starting becoming popular there around the 1850s, and the Swedish article says only in the 1900s did the modern twisted form become standard, although the Swedish article makes clear other deep fried doughs were eaten in Sweden already in the 1500s, inspired from Italian/Venetian recipes. All the articles claim that the etymology of the names klenät/klejner hint at a Low German origin.
The statement in the lede referenced to a recent Boston Herald article about Dunkin Donuts claiming that the 'cruller' was already being eaten during the pilgrims' day appears very suspect, if the northern European recipes only became popular in the 19th century, and the word has a Dutch or related origin. It would seem there would be a much better source for something like the foods served by the pilgrims.
Yesterday I changed the text regarding Mrs. Anna R. Bradbury's theory regarding the etymology. Speaking Dutch myself, her claim about pronunciation looks silly. Also how would she ever know in 1909 that a military guy in 1617 invented a certain recipe when her main 1800s source doesn't mention it? She doesn't appear to be an expert in anything and was not born nor lived most her life in the region, although it would appear she much liked the town of Hudson. Searching for a local eponym to an apparently popular foodstuff in the region at the time looks much like folk etymology.
Basically there appear to be two (or more) origin stories in this article; that the pastry was adopted in the USA from Low German or Scandinavian traditions in the late 1800s and somehow gained a Low German name, or that the origin of the pastry was North America in the 1600s and somehow gained a Dutch/Low German name and that a few centuries later an almost identical pastry was adopted in Scandinavia with a Low German name. 86.83.56.115 (talk) 13:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Confusion 

message: Spritzkuchen is the German name for cruller Spudlace (talk) 23:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Spritzkuchen]] into [[Cruller]] 

message: This article is almost entire without references for over 10 years and according to The Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America this is an alternate name for crullers Spudlace (talk) 05:39, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see much resemblance between the two. Angel wings (and all their European varieties) are made with dense dough and are crispy. Crullers seem to be airy, like doughnuts. Ponor (talk) 14:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed my mind about this nomination, they don't look very similar. The Oxford Companion to American Food and Drink lists "Angel Wings" as a synonym for Crullers but it may be US-centric where it's a translation. Something like "Csoroge" are also known as "Hungarian crullers" in the US. I think it's ok to close this. Spudlace (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Angel wings]] into [[Cruller]]