Talk:Murder of Kriss Donald/Archive 1

message: Regarding the repeated accusations that the BBC stopped covering the murder - is there any proof for this outside of the BNP/far right websites? Looking at the BBC News website, that clearly continued to cover the story. Average Earthman 11:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC coverage 

message: I think the article is mostly okay. I take issue with the word "inexplicably" regarding BBC coverage, as it implies that the BBC are engaging in unorthodox or atypical behavior. They may well be, but it would be necessary to cite authoritative sources who also believe this. Personal emails from Beeb types fall under the heading of "original reserach," which is against WP policy. Also, sentences like The murderers are the first people to be convicted of racially motivated murder in Scotland, using the word "murderer," skate very close to the POV line, if not over it. IronDuke 20:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Guardian, Earthman, let me say this: though you may irk each other, I think the two of you working together will make this an excellent article. You both know far more about UK politics than I, so other than the tiny style edit I just made, I leave it to you. A couple points: using the word murderer just isn't encyclopedia style. For example, if I referred to the provisional IRA as "the murderers" in a description of their conduct in the context of Louis Mountbatten, that would be less good than "assassins" or "killers." (Here is how their actions are referred to in the Mountbatten article: "The killing of Mountbatten..." which is appropriate even though they murdered him, in my view.)  "Murderer" sounds totally accurate in this article, but still the wrong style, you see what I'm saying? Another small point: twice we have mention of the BNP and political advantage. "There have also been accusations that the far right British National Party (BNP) have sought to exploit the case for political advantage" and "The BNP were accused by Scotland's First Minister Jack McConnell (Labour party) of seeking to exploit the case for political advantage." This needs to be fixed. Again, I think you're both reasonably smart people, and that you will make this a good article not in spite of your differing perspectives but because of them. Oh, and one more thing: I think the article will be stronger if a quote can be inserted about just what led police to think the attacks were racially motivated. Did the killers know Kriss? Would any white boy have done? Did they brag about it? What did they say? IronDuke 20:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: If we are making that case ourselves then we are violating the Wikipedia:no original research ban. Instead we should find a source which says that the ending of coverage by the BBC was indicative of prejudice.  It is not for us to draw conclusions. -Willmcw 22:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree with Willmcw entirely on this point. IronDuke 22:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm fairly new to this article, so please excuse if I'm covering old ground. I have no problem with the article including the BNP's claims - but I would be more comfortable if there were a ref with them. For all the reader knows, the article could be mispresenting the BNP by putting words in their mouths. And the "some people say" style is heavily deprecated on controversial stuff for similar reasons. Noonday, you seem to have done a lot of work on this article, and know the material well - could you find refs for these paras? It will greatly improve the article. Cheers, JackyR 16:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on NPOV