Talk:Leonard Cheshire

message: The Leonard Chehsire Foundation has a major impact from the UK Disability Discrimination Act - according to the Leonard Cheshire Disabled Peoples Forum, people with disabilities do not want Charity -will Leonard Cheshire Foundation survive?   Or will it's 3 Public Liability Companies absorb the foundation? (Companies House)   Have they already done this!
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It appears that Cheshire also started The Memorial Fund For Disaster Relief around 1989.  Roger Water's "The Wall Live in Berlin" (1990) was to benifit the fund.  Some badges and Parker pens were also sold, made from scraps of nuclear missiles.  It looks like the fund was merged or discontinued.  Any details on this?
Gadget850 09:08, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: The British observers Cheshire & Penney were on Big Stink not The Great Artiste according to “Cheshire” the biography by Richard Morris (2000). Hopkins was meant to link up with the others at Yakushima, but he kept at 39,000 feet instead of the agreed height (30,000 feet?). He tried to justify this by the need to keep the VIP passengers out of danger. 
Cheshire thought Hopkins (in charge of Big Stink) was “overwrought” according to Morris. The appointment of Hopkins was “strange”; as the operations officer he had no regular crew. Cheshire was with Penney, and in Hopkins’ plane so I have amended this page accordingly (at present it says The Great Artiste). Hugo999 06:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Which B-29?

message: According to polish sites  and  he was awarded Virtuti Militari, can someone check it in his biography? I couldn't find any good sources online.Plushy (talk) 19:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: It would be helpful for someone to ascertain when Cheshire's first marriage (which he left out of his entry in Who's Who) legally ended, as it appears from the narrative in this article that it was still in existence throughout his relationship with Joan Botting, up to seven years on from the wedding day.  It must have been dissolved by the time he married Sue Ryder.Cloptonson (talk) 19:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage to Constance Binney - End?

message: I question the veracity of the suggested relationship between Joan Botting and Cheshire, and the resulting child Merle Elizabeth Botting born January 1946 as added to this article by "Gerald Ryder". 
Cheshire did not set up the VIP community at Gumley until 3 June 1946, when Merle Elizabeth would have been nearly 5 months old (p. 237 Richard Morris "Cheshire" - there is no mention of Joan or Merle in this very comprehensive biography published 2000).
I have checked the references given by Gerald Ryder throughout the article to Andrew Boyle's biography "No Passing Glory" and Cheshire's book "The Face of Victory" and none of them mention Joan Botting, a relationship extra to his marriage to Constance Binney or a child. 
The reference to p.69 of "The Face of Victory" stating that Joan ran the nursery at Le Court does not give any evidence that this was Joan - only that a woman who was a teacher was given the job of running the nursery. 
The anecdote given by Cheshire on his first stirrings of religion at the Vanity fair in 1945 Andrew Boyle "No Passing Glory"p. 274-275 refers to neither Claire Gilbertson nor Joan Botting, just "a woman", so again, not sufficient evidence for a relationship with either of these two woman at the time. 
Interestingly this conversation is also in Cheshire's own book "The Face of Victory" where he dates the conversation to early July 1945 when his brother was repatriated from Poland  Richard Morris "Cheshire" & p. 47 Leonard Cheshire "The Face of Victory"  a mere 6 months before Merle Elizabeth Botting's birth (a very rapid gestation period indeed!)
Gerald Ryder goes on to say that the affair with Joan Botting commenced on VE Day 8th May 1945. Cheshire says he was in Washington when VE Day was announced, as it gave thoughts to him and his wife about how they should spend their future together  Leonard Cheshire The Face of Victory p. 46 .
Cheshire was posted at the RAF delegation in Washington from 22nd December 1944 - 14th September 1945. It would have been very difficult for him to impregnate Joan Botting around April/May 1945 (presuming her pregnancy took 8 months) as he was not even in the country, and was in fact living with and looking after his wife in Washington.  Leonard Cheshire The Face of Victory p. 46 . 
It seems unlikely that Merle Botting is Leonard Cheshire's daughter, seeing as there is no evidence for Cheshire and Botting being in the same country at the time of her conception, or living together at the time of her birth. 
It is possible that the Bottings were living as part of the the VIP community at Gumley and Le Court, as VIP was an exercise in collective communal living for ex servicemen and women and their families. Gerald Ryder's story of these events are very interesting in themselves.
HighHill1 (talk) 15:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Merle Elizabeth Botting really Cheshire's daughter? 

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message: On leaving the command of Marston Moor and taking over command of 617, you state he was promoted to war substantive wing commander.
I've always been under the impression that he took a drop in rank to wing commander from group captain to take command of 617, and the text of the article would seem to bear this out.
Also in his biography, Cheshire V.C. ISBN 10: 0237446308 he states that he did in fact take a demotion to become commander of 617.
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replies: text: I have removed it, as it contradicts the book I have over the squadron. Beside that, the given source does not mention Cheshire at all. The Banner talk 16:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Why does the article not mention he was a war criminal? 86.148.205.157 (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: because he wasn't convicted of war crimes RoseFeb (talk) 14:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  War crimes