Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 10

message: For those interested, I nominated Protocols of the Elders of Zion for FAC status, for those interested please comment and vote. --Goodoldpolonius2 18:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somewhat related: please doublecheck & fix the note I added to King of the Jews. This title is being repeatedly used in the Protocols. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Protocols of the Elders of Zion|Protocols of the Elder of Zion FAC]]

message: Could someone please help sort out Talk:Hasidic Judaism#Incomprehensible phrase? The phrase is  "The picture of a 'Ba'al Shem' erroneously contributed to Israel ben Eliezer, the founder of Hasidism". - Jmabel | Talk 19:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasidic Judaism 

message: Please see the newly-proposed Template:Juddom which strikes me as odd and redundent for now. Please add your views at Template talk:Juddom. Thanks. IZAK 14:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template:Juddom 

message: Jon513 has created  to add to pages on halachic topics to summarise the halachic sources. I am not sure what to think of it yet, but thought it should be mentioned here. jnothman talk 00:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox Halacha]] 

message: Alright, the Qadish article has come a long way, and except for a few tweakings, I'm almost ready to nominate it for FA.  Meanwhile, I think it's time to encourage anyone interested (and with requisite knowledge) in working to help brush up the עaleinu article.  I've made a couple of observations at Talk:Aleinu to get the process started.  Cheers, Tomertalk 04:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Aleinu]] 

message: Are there objections to having :Template:Jewish-hist-bio-stub? ←Humus sapiens ну? 08:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a question to take up at WP:WSS.  Cheers, Tomertalk 08:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish-hist-bio-stub 

message: Have your say, here. ems 13:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article for deletion 

message: Help requested at Talk:Holy Land#objections to the jewish section. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Holy Land]] in Judaism 

message: It can explain our Yeshivish usage of English. ems 12:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Babel 

message: Can we have a greater involvement from everyone here on Messianic Judaism as there are several anonomous editors who are trying to force their pov. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 17:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Messianic Judaism]]

message: The Merchant of Venice#Religious Perspective is something of a mess (rather POV, etc.). In particular, I am not sure it is accurate in its characterization of Jewish doctrine, especially for the period (let alone what Shakespeare would have known of it). Help would be appreciated. - Jmabel | Talk 02:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Merchant of Venice'': help sought 

message: Talk:Hasidic_Judaism#Incomprehensible_phrase: An issue about an incomprehensible picture caption has been unresolved for over a week. Can someone please help sort it out? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 03:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking help yet again: Hasidim 

message: Do you think this Cat. is viable? If so, should it include people like Isaac Luria rather than teenage idols? ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good. I noticed that fishy Category but didn't know what to do about it. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, kabbalah isn't a Coke-Cola product? What have all those people been drinking, for all these years? ems 14:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean you didn't know that the Kabbalah Center sells "Kabbalah water" (also tried to sell "Kabbalah soda")? and some have imbibed some of it no doubt...and it no doubt resulted in some (Kabbalah Centre-)burping... IZAK 14:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, ha, ha, ha! ems 16:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Kabbalah practitioners]] 

message: *Humus: The people who were in :Category:Kabbalah practitioners were all pop-celebrities followers (some not Jewish!) of the controversial Kabbalah Centre. I therefore created a more accurate category for them :Category:Kabbalah Centre followers and put them into it. :Category:Kabbalah practitioners should thus be nominated for deletion because the Kabbalah Centre, its methods and its students are rejected as being a cult by all streams of Judaism! In any case, just what is a "Kabbalah practitioner" exactly speaking? Great rabbis in Judaism like Rabbi Isaac Luria were SCHOLARS of the Kabbalah, they did not "practice it" in the sense of doing one of the 613 mitzvot ("commandments"). Kabbalah is basically a specialized sub-division of the mitzvah of Torah study. It is more like a "theoretical abstract science" (it is kind-of the mystical equivalent akin to the study of the Talmud which is a more rational process) and it does not represent something removed from the practice of Judaism (do we have :Category:Judaism practitioners yet, which should come first, right?) The problem today is that the Kabbalah Centre people have taken it upon themselves to "market" Kaballah as if it was a "Coca-Cola" product and so now people think that it is something that is "practiced" differently to regular Judaism. So let's not confuse matters. For now :Category:Kabbalah is sufficient for the subject of Kabbalah. IZAK 08:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good. I noticed that fishy Category but didn't know what to do about it. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, kabbalah isn't a Coke-Cola product? What have all those people been drinking, for all these years? ems 14:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean you didn't know that the Kabbalah Center sells "Kabbalah water" (also tried to sell "Kabbalah soda")? and some have imbibed some of it no doubt...and it no doubt resulted in some (Kabbalah Centre-)burping... IZAK 14:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, ha, ha, ha! ems 16:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Avoid the Kabbalah Centre trap !

message: Hi, I`m not sure if much work is being done on getting JE articles online on wikipedia; the JE page at project Missing Encyc Articles looks really sloppy, and there are only some 500 articles tagged "JewishEncyclopedia", so even if there is one untagged article for every tagged one, no more than a fraction of JE articles can be found on wikipedia. I`m trying to get at least an article a day online, but I obviously can`t tackle this task on my own, help would be appreciated! Maybe a subproject Missing JE Articles would be an idea? --Talmid78 09:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Encyclopedia 

message: I think some of the articles on festivals are quite poor. None have references sections, and many are poorly written and structured; it would be a good idea to actually get out some books and look at the topic closely rather than working from our heads.
Now, ems suggested to me privately that we improve the Pesach-related. I think in general, we should possibly try in 2006 to have a festival improvement drive in the period leading up to that festival. (Of course, many come all at once and that makes it more difficult.)
Who's up for finally having some of these become featured article quality?
jnothman talk 14:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am currently working on Haggadah of Pesach. ems 16:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I have notice that many Jewish holiday article don't use the standard holiday template and instead use their own table.  Is there a reason for this or should it be changed? Jon513 18:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be fixed. ems 06:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Festival improvement drives 

message: This appears to verge very closely on advertising...  Woohoojew's only contribs are to this article...  Someone with a better-discerning eye than mine might ought should check it out...  Tomertalk 04:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both copies of this article (JCDS and Boston's jcds) were made up of content taken directly from  and . I have therefore marked it as a copyvio. (And this technically doesn't belong under WP Judaism, but does under WP Jewish Culture, I would think.) jnothman talk 05:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ... unless Woohoojew is the copyright holder.... ems 08:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly, but the rules on Wikipedia:Copyright problems imply that assertion needs to be made before the material is posted. jnothman talk 04:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[JCDS]] 

message: I would like the project members' opinion and feedback regarding a discussion I am having with Briangotts about various categories including  and . This issue is whether the categories themselves should be subcategories of  and , or whether just the articles which actually are about , such as the parent article Edom and Esau, should be tagged. Further explanation and a place to both voice your opinion and vote may be found on the talk page of Category:Midian. Thank you for your time and input. -- Avi 19:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Midian et. al

message: Please take a look at the discussion and give your opinion. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Category_talk:Midian#Vote]] 

message: It looks like there never will be a majority unless more voters join. Please see Talk:Jesus#Final_Candidates and vote so we can get on with Mitzvot. ems 18:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another poll

message: Please come help out @ mysticism / Talk:Mysticism. Another editor and I have been butting heads over some minor issues, and the article could really use some outside input. Please come lend a hand! Sam Spade 19:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling all mystics! 

message: ===Sabbath===
See Talk:Sabbath#Jewish naming of festivals. ems 17:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perhaps there should be a disambig between the Jewish and the Christian Shabbat/Sabbath? Shlomke 07:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it's already there Shlomke 21:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It was added in  by an IP whos edits show it is a christian. I have removed it. ems 15:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: A Christain perpective of what!  I can't tell what it is talking about, but my best guess is Mehelah (stealing from consecrated temple items).  Perhaps it is time to make a Mehelah article.  Jon513 11:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading articles 

message: See Talk:Sabbath#Jewish naming of festivals. ems 17:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perhaps there should be a disambig between the Jewish and the Christian Shabbat/Sabbath? Shlomke 07:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it's already there Shlomke 21:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Shabbat|Sabbath]]

message: Another Christian article with major problems. (Rabbinic literature, Midrash, and other Judaism-only things) ems 08:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Feast of Trumpets]]

message: There is so many problems with the article, I don't even know where to start. ems 17:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Son of God]]

message: I am about to have a heart attack ch"v. ems 19:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[YHWH]]

message: Why does this article bring in the concept of the Godhead. The disambiguation has nothing related to Judaism. Does anyonone know if this term is actualy used in Judaism? if it is, then there should probably be a Jewish explanation in Godhead. If not then we need to change the link in the article. Shlomke 14:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added in  by an IP whos edits show it is a christian. I have removed it. ems 15:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ein Sof]]

message: Yet another one... Should this one just start all over again? ems 14:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pulpit]]

message: The last navi, and just look at the page! ems 15:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Malachi]]

message: rotfl, Martin at it again. ems 15:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Messianic prophecies]]

message: Those are some interesting Jewish views with all those Christian references. ems 16:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Abraham]]

message: A mix is jewish and christian beliefs, needs attention.  Jon513 17:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[First Fruits]]

message: Primarily based on an Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition article that is largely a Christian perspective.--agr 15:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Christain perpective of what!  I can't tell what it is talking about, but my best guess is Mehelah (stealing from consecrated temple items).  Perhaps it is time to make a Mehelah article.  Jon513 11:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Corban]]

message: After seeing many people of us on the Freenode IRC network. I think it is worthwhile, to have an IRC channel for more interactive communication. So I've opened up #WikiProject-Judaism or #WP-JEW for short. 
The network also has some helpful channels like #Wikipedia-Bootcamp, that was really helpful when I joined, which I would recommend to any of our members to the project. Hope to see you along ;)
For how to connect using the IRC protocol, please see IRC clients. ems 20:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Judaism IRC 

message: Oh boy.  I found some "questionable scholarship" in Salvador Fernandes Zarco.  I've commented it out, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing I commented out should be deleted as [pathetic] OR--possibly sent to WP:BJAODN.  I'd appreciate it if some others could take a look... Tomertalk 08:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Salvador Fernandes Zarco]] 

message: A new editor is making rather bold claims about Judaism's view of Jesus, and also insisting he knows Jesus' Hebrew name. I'd appreciate it if interested parties could look at Talk:Jesus#Hebrew_name_of_Yehoshua_or_Yeshua and Talk:Judaism's view of Jesus. Jayjg (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judaism's view of Jesus 

message: Please see Talk:Judean Mountains.  User is insisting that "Hills of Judea" is "wrong" and that if I want to include it in the article lead (whence he's removed it twice), I must state that that it's wrong to call them hills (as though that's what I was asserting).  Some help would be appreciated.  Tomertalk 01:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Judean Mountains]] 

message: Currently a WP:FAC. Please comment. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:First Council of Nicaea#Antisemitism]] 

message: Someone from this WikiProject might want to look in on Talk:Purim#Significance of Purim. Basically, two articles disagree about the degree of historicity of the Book of Esther. I suspect that, like most biblical texts, there are a range of opinions on the matter. But I have no idea of the degree to which this particular Book intersects history. Could someone knowledgable please weigh in? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 02:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment Book of Esther is unreasonable biased towards the critical historical view. It is perhaps useful to remember that if such an incident happened, it may not have gone down in the Persian royal records. After all, it was only a minor court intrigue involving a small minority. JFW | T@lk 16:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purim / Book of Esther 

message: I have noticed the Template:Lang-he being used.  
#Should we be using this?  
#Should we be subst'ing this?  
--Jon513 10:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also :template:Hebrew (for just the Hebrew word/s alone) and :template:Hebrew paragraph (short: :template:he p) (for whole paragraphs in Hebrew). -- Olve 22:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why you made these templates that add a span tag to the hebrew.  The hebrew shows up fine on my browser and even without a tag.  If there are problems with the display of hebrew shouldn't it be dealt with at the Wikipedia:Village pump.  Idealy wikimedia should see that it is hebrew and make the appropiate tags.  Jon513 17:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Showing up and looking decent are two different things... The problem is that the Hebrew display even on the best of browsers/systems defaults to fonts that are ugly and often hard to read — typically Arial / Arial Unicode MS  or the like. Yes, a software level solution would be great, but in the mean time I see no pint in avoiding improvement. -- Olve 22:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using firefox, goto tools-->options-->Content-->advanced Fonts and Colors and you can change how you want the hebrew to be displayed.  Why should we assume that people do not have the setting the way they want and need us to change it for them?  In any event, if you insist on this, an empty  would be better and the css can be put in the main css sheet.  Jon513 12:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hebrew words 

message: What a great an accrate article on Shimon haTzadik: Simeon the Righteous -_-. Wow, I can't believe it, they even were even able to fit in a mistranslation of Isaiah.  And now with the Book of Isaiah article... I am lost for words.  ems 10:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched the quote and um did some other stuff...Shimon haTzadik is no longer in the saint category, but I didn't take out the "traditions" and quotes from luke. Now for the book of Yeshaiya(hu)...-Epl18 17:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave him in :Category:Saints.  He's a canonized saint in most of Christendom...  Tomertalk 19:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: They are need to be merged back in. I'll try and do it. ems 06:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow, now I have seen it all.  

message: Hi Yiden (Ashkanazim). Did you know we have our own language? lets build it! Yes the Yiddish Wikipedia
You don't speak Yiddish? No problem! You can make interwiki links to us from many English articles to Yiddish, so we spread the word of our existence.
Thanks.--yidi 19:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I last checked the yiddish Wikipedia was not very large at all. Furthermore, there are many terms that may exist under numerous spellings. Would you consider releasing a list of the articles (1538 at this time) so we can see which articles could be linked? JFW | T@lk 19:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If i had the time to make a list, i would have linked it myself. Also please consider for a language so few users like Yiddish this number of articles is huge.--yidi 19:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yiddish wikipedia 

message: User 71.235.95.87 has been making some strange edits recently including some contradicting ones . Its very likely 71.235.93.130 is the same user. It looks like to me he is pushing a Modern Orthodox POV (mostly from his edits on Role of women in Judaism). If anyone has some free time could they please sort through the user edit  (if not I will get to it later this week or early next week) and leave an apporiate notice on the users talk page. Thanks eeemess 10:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by a user 

message: I would like to bring to your attention that a request for comment on User:Woggly's conduct has been filed. Toda and thanks for your support. Bonnieisrael 18:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Woggly]] 

message: There have been a few changes by user:68.44.184.149 (ip indicates southern New Jersey) adding links to shurim by Rabbi Dovid Bendory  (rabbi in of Congregation Etz Chaim of Livingston, New Jersey). The articles include Tu Bishvat, Purim, Tzitzit, Hanukkah, Passover, Counting of the Omer and earlier (in February) Shechita and Tefillin.  I have not listened to them so I cannot attest to their quality, but someone probably should and decide if they are quality or someone just adding in his rabbi. Jon513 19:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The work is okay. Only question is on notablity. eeemess 13:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is notablity an issue. If is produces quality stuff the link is good, if not the link shouldn't be there.  Non-notable people can produce material that is link worthy. Jon513 17:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm Jon: Wikipedia is not a "repository" for all the online writings and sermons of all the world's NON-notable rabbis no matter how Judaicly well-spoken, literary, and knowledgeable they may be. Rabbi Bendory may be a nice man and a good writer (he may even know shas backwards), but he has zero standing as a notable Orthodox rabbi and thus it is against Wikipedia policy to have his links "featured" and other living rabbis not. There is no way Judaism articles on Wikipedia can have (never ending) links to all the rabbis that write online! IZAK 06:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links 

message: Looks like a lot of articles (Tu Bishvat and Purim, for example) have recently been linked to pages at http://rabbi.bendory.com. I won't claim to be qualified to judge the appropriateness of these links, but I figure someone on this project will be. - Jmabel | Talk 04:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, its just pure self-promotion for the guy, and if it gets out of hand just delete the links. IZAK 06:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rabbi.bendory.com