Talk:Order of St Michael and St George

message: It should be:
CMG - call me god.
KCMG - kings call me god
GCMG - god calls me god
Think about it - why on earth would the middle rank say kindly call me god, when the lower rank says it as a command?
:Because it's perfectly possible to make "kindly do such-and-such" sound immensely condescending. "Kindly make the tea, Smythe" etc. 86.132.139.119 (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also heard it before Yes, Minister, as Kindly Call me God! -- Necrothesp 13:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I've amended the article to include both versions and to point out that it didn't originate with Yes, Minister (I'm pretty sure I've done this before - somebody must have changed it back!). -- Necrothesp 13:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, Minister got it wrong... 

message: I have seen a photo . The man was a Knight Commandar only, but he wore a Collar too. Can anyone explain it???--219.79.107.17 18:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the caption on the Australian National Archives site you linked to, Sir Joseph Cook was in fact a GCMG, not a KCMG. I've added a reference to the notice of appointment in the London Gazette to the Joseph Cook article. --Dr pda 13:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Collar wore by Knight/Dame Grand Cross only?

message: In the See also section there is a disparity between Knights Commander and Dames Commander as to whether or not "of the Order of" is appropriate. - Kittybrewster 20:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This comes from the fact that when members of orders were first categorised, the categories created missed out "of the Order of", such as "Knights Commander of the British Empire" etc. However, these categories should be renamed to include "of the Order of". Craigy (talk?) 20:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That job needs somebody who knows how to use a Bot, I would think - Kittybrewster 20:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Knights vs Dames

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message: There are at least four persons listed in the article who are not current, being deceased. Two of these died only in the last 2 months, so their removal to "Select Former Recipients" is a matter of someone getting it done. But two have been long deceased, and should not be listed as current. (Sources: The wikipedia articles for each person named.) The persons concerned are:
Knights and Dames Grand Cross
– The Rt.Hon. Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolam GCMG (1965) – died 15 December 1985
– The Rt. Hon. The Viscount Soulbury, GCMG GCVO, DL (1978) – died 9 April 2010
Honorary Appointments
– Ong Teng Cheong, Honorary GCMG (1998) – died 8 February 2002
– Ryszard Kaczorowski, Honorary GCMG (2004) – died 10 April 2010
Ptilinopus (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Knights and Dames Grand Cross 

message: Are the only royals in the Order the Queen as Sovereign and the Duke of Kent? The Duke of Edinburgh was never appointed as royal consort and his role in the Second World War? The Prince of Wales and Duke of York weren't awarded it for their active duty work in the Navy? 74.69.11.229 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Queen is the Sovereign of the Order and the Duke of Kent is the Grand Master of the Order. In the Order of the Bath, again The Queen is the Sovereign of the Order and the Prince of Wales is the Grand Master of the Order and Sir Timothy Laurence is a Companion (for military service). The Order of the Bath is for military service and the Order of St M and St G is for diplomacy. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 22:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal appointments 

message: These need to be included.  For example: "GCMG" is not an initialism.174.3.125.23 (talk) 08:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your correct its not an acronym, its a Post-nominal. Please elaborate on how Etymology would help the page. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 09:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eytmologies 

message: Fazle Abed is listed as an honorary KCMG, but as he also holds British citizenship, shouldn't he be a regular appointee instead? Ratibgreat (talk) 02:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fazle Abed 

message: There must have been a reason, let's source it and put it in the article. 24.130.15.8 (talk) 05:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: St. George is the patron saint of England, and a military saint, as the order was originally an order signifying the British protectorate of the Ionian Islands. Eastern Orthodox sensibilities, where St. Michael is venerated, in a role equivalent to that of St. George, were probably being appealed to by the latter saint's inclusion. That, of course, isn't quite the definitive source you seek. Dhtwiki (talk) 16:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Why those two saints?

message: Somewhere in the introductory section there should be a mention of to what nation this order belongs. We should not assume that a reader unfamiliar with the order will recognize the names of the monarchs as having been kings of England/Great Britain/the UK. It is not the only nation with orders. Until that nation is named, it is not clear what would constitute "foreign" service.  Since the article states that the award is made by the British sovereign, I am going to revise the article to refer to it as a British order. If someone knows better, please correct the order's nationality.
:I got to this page after reading the article on Shimon Peres. Since I doubted that Israel or Poland have such an order, I followed the link to ascertain the country of the award. As the article stands now, there wasn't an answer in the intro unless I followed a link to one of the named monarchs or continued reading the article.
Ileanadu (talk) 23:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign to whom/what? 

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replies: text: These later archive snapshots of the old royal.gov site don't seem generally to work, but without returning an error. Will rework archive link, pointing to earliest, 2009, archive snapshot. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: What’s with ‘instagram famous’ people trying to be medal chests? An anonymous IP keeps adding “Lady” Kathryn McBride to the list of honorary GCMG recipients for 2018 “for humanitarian” service. McBride keeps being added and has been for months now, I’ve looked into it and no one by that name has been admitted into any grade of the Order of St Michael and St George. So where do we go from here? It’s clearly persistent vandalism, should this page be protected from IP editing? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 02:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  “lady” Kathryn McBride 

message: I  belive of Sir Charles Warren was K.C.M.G. and deserve mentioning 
 ‘Life’ Published in Kimberly - January 4th 1884.” The Royal Engineers Journal (1884): 54.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by תלמוד חירם אבי (talk • contribs) 17:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Warren 

message: "People are appointed to the Order rather than awarded it."
What is the difference? 141.155.6.2 (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused...