Talk:Edmund Cartwright

message: Some sources say that Cartwright was born in Marham, Nottinghamshire.  The only map I have shows a Marham in Norfolk.  Which is correct?  Enlightenment will be welcome.  Thanks! - Astrochemist (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: Would it be relevant to mention Cartwright's struggle with the anti-progress Luddites?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.238.228 (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luddites 

message: The introduction at the top of the article reads like a 12-year-old's writing. It needs to be standardized to meet Wikipedia's quality standards.
Mwwmenger (talk) 04:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs copyediting 

message: Are the quoted dates for his birth correct? Looking at parish register transcriptions for Marnham (not Marham) St Wilfrid, Edmund was born 13 April 1743 to William & Ann Cartwright, and baptised on 14 April 1743, the very next day. It looks there were 8 children, although there were previous children called Edmund and George who must have died very young. I can provide fuller details if someone feels that they would be appropriate on this page. TonyP (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineage and Birth 

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message: The following vital-event dates are available in the parish records of Marnham St. Wilfrid, Nottinghamshire. These figures were obtained from the transcriptions of the Nottinghamshire Family History Society.
Name     	Birth      	Baptism    	Burial
George   	30 Mar 1735	30 Mar 1735	14 May 1736
Edmund   	27 Feb 1736	27 Mar 1736	19 Dec 1740
Ann      	15 Apr 1737	17 Apr 1737	--
Catherine	18 Mar 1738	26 Mar 1738	--
George   	12 Feb 1739	18 Feb 1739	--
Elizabeth	19 Jan 1742	20 Jan 1742	--
Edmund   	13 Apr 1743	14 Apr 1743	--
Charles  	21 Apr 1744	25 Apr 1744	--
Frances  	03 Jun 1747	07 Jun 1747	--
As mentioned above, the birth date differs from that quoted here. In fact, the erroneous place-of-birth ("Marham", now corrected), and this quoted date of 24 Apr 1743, have both been copied blindly in publications and on the Internet, but I have not seen a single citation for the data source. if anyone is aware of any work reconstructing Edmund's family, using original research, then it would be good to cite it on this page.TonyP (talk) 13:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this work and remark. How about this source: "A memoir of the life, writings, and mechanical inventions of Edmund Cartwright" by Mrs. Mary (Cartwright) Strickland, London, 1843, Saunders & Otley, Conduit Street, p.4  https://archive.org/stream/memoiroflifewrit00stri/memoiroflifewrit00stri_djvu.txt Dubidu  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:11F6:CE00:DD45:C6D9:F142:1C21 (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be very good step in the right direction -- thanks for finding that source. It doesn't explain the conflict, though, and I feel that it should be noted somewhere in the main article until there is a resolution. For instance, where did the date in the biography come from? It's also possible that the transcriptions I have tabulated were inaccurate. Unfortunately, I would have to call into the Nottingham Archive to see the originals, or images therefore, because they are not available online anywhere (I now live hundreds of miles from my home town). TonyP (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

text:  A possible resolution, here: there are 11 days difference between the birthdate transcribed from the register and the later quoted ones. Combined with the 1743 year, which predates the Calendar Act, then the register must be recording the date according to the Julian calendar and the later figures adjusted for the Gregorian calendar. I am happy with this explanation. If you add a citation for that biography, maybe you could note this in case anyone else spots the difference.TonyP (talk) 11:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineage and Birth (cont.)