Talk:Vasily I of Moscow

message: During the reign of Vasiliy I, feudal landownership kept growing. With the growth of princely authority in Moscow, feudals' judicial powers were partially diminished and transferred to Vasili's deputies and heads of volosts.
So, was feudalism growing or declining? My guess would be that the first sentence refers to the centralization of royal powers at the expense of local feudal lordships, but I haven't any books upon which to change the present unsatisfactory wording (though "feudal's" is certainly faulty English).
qp10qp 16:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unclear passage

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 05:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Vasily I of Moscow →  – Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Currently, Vasily I and Vasili I redirect here. Mellk (talk) 23:10, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose per WP:NCROY and WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. The primary redirect is sufficient. Estar8806 (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 6 May 2023 

message: What’s the best way of reaching a concord on the sources? @Mellk Okiyo9228 (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Both say this clock appeared in the Moscow Kremlin in 1404. But the first source says it is also the first public clock in any Russian city. So this is something that should be mentioned. There sources do not contradict each other. Mellk (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t quarrel with any of the aforementioned, what I quarrel with is when you put “of all Russia”, the source should be in harmony with the article. Okiyo9228 (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do not like the reference to geography, then it can be reworded to "the first in any Russian city". Note that this is how the source words it and was how the article worded it until you changed it recently. Mellk (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you were to do that, then, you would be acting against your intellectual conscience, for I remember when I tried to do the same to the Nevsky article and you didn’t accept it. Wouldn’t “in Moscow” be fine as when I did it before you reverted my edit? Okiyo9228 (talk) 13:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it would not be acting against anything. This is from a reliable source. The clock is notable because it is not the first of its kind in just one city. Mellk (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Before I changed it for consistency, the article used “of all Russia”, nonetheless, I assent to change being in favor of “the first in any Russian city”. Okiyo9228 (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Consistent with what? Anyway, fine, I will change it then. Mellk (talk) 13:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Consistent with the article’s name, for its Vasily I of Moscow. Ivan III, however, is a contentious matter. Okiyo9228 (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, understandable, but it was not a reference to a state. Anyway, I do not think we need to dwell on this. Mellk (talk) 13:46, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Les Sources