Talk:Edgard Varèse

message: Noticed no mention of Frank Zappa and the influence Varese had on his work. Kemkerj 23:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to recall Zappa's favourite quote of Varese being "The present day composer refuses to die" which he might have quoted as said by Varese and which he certainly altered on one of his very first albums to read "The present day Pachuco refuses to die". Not sure if anyone thinks that this is worth including in the article, and if so, then where? In the trivia section, perhaps? Hi There 02:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zappa

message: How the hell do you pronounce this guy's name? The Guilty Undertaker 18:50, 27 July 2006
:As if written, in English,  Edgar Varayza. Or do you need IPA? -- megA 18:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, IPA please. OlYeller 06:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: pronunciation?

message: The section mentions two works, "Rhapsodie romane" and "Bourgogne". Is there any particular reason why they are not listed amongst his works at the end of the article? Also, more generally, he seems not to have been a very prolific composer; was he able, throughout his life, to support himself by his composing and other musical endeavours? Hi There 02:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Compositions Mentioned in Section "Early Life"

message: I found this in the WP Charlie Parker article: At various times, Parker fused jazz with other musical styles, from classical (seeking to study with Edgard Varèse and Stefan Wolpe) to Latin music (recordings with Machito), blazing paths followed later by others. Hopefully I will get around to finding out a little more about this, as it would be an interesting factlet to have in the article, if true. Hi There 09:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oellette's biography of Varèse contains this: "After the death of Charlie Parker ... the latter's wife came to see Varèse to tell him that her husband had followed Varèse up and down the streets of Greenwich Village for two years without ever daring to speak to him" AllyD 10:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Varese and Charlie Parker

message: My understanding is that he was born as Edgard, but initially published under Edgar, and around 1942 decided to resume the original spelling Edgard.   Hence, both versions appear in the literature. If these are the correct facts, is there a better cite than the ones I've been able to drag up ( )? --  JackofOz (talk) 04:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Malcolm MacDonald has a useful footnote about this at the outset of his book (cited in the article as ref. 4) Astronomer in Sound, p. xi. He points out that the French version of the name is 'Edgar', same as English, but Varese's birth-certificate shows 'Edgard' and thinks this may be something to do with his Piedmontaise ancestry - a sort of half-way house to the Italian 'Edgardo'. Cenedi (talk) 11:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling of Edgar[d]

message: I previously deleted an external link to an "Edgard Varese at Pytheas" page which had been added by user 2021music, as I feel that the linked page contains a list of Varese's works, plus various links, plus a banner ad. The user has re-added the link and has also placed a rationale on :User talk:2021music which confirms his/her association with Pytheas. I don't want to get into a to-and-fro edit war, so maybe the best thing is for others to look at the link and see if they feel that it adds anything or falls within the scope of Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided in which case it should be deleted again? AllyD (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Link removed. It fails all the What should be linked points and the conflicts of interest..."You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent..." Lame Name (talk) 18:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles.  This article is B-class; more information needs to be given about Varese's relationship with his wife (where and when they met and married, at a minimum), and with Theremin (when and where they met, the nature of their collaboration).  My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 21:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Composer project review

message: Wasn't "Nocturnal" unfinished, too, and completed posthumously? -- megA (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed so, and completed by Chou Wen-chung I believe.  It was much closer to completion than the projects listed in the "Unfinished projects" section though.  --Deskford (talk) 15:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a freely available recording of this version somewhere with an extensive comment which mentions this... ah, here it is... Yes, Chou Wen-chung it was. Interesting read, seems there was still some major "overhaul" done for this performance version. -- megA (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nocturnal unfinished? 

message: Varese did not study acoustics with D'Indy. If anything, he would have studied traditional academic music subjects like counterpoint and harmony. Varèse studied music with D'Indy - not sound. The preoccupation with sound was a result of Varèse's own philosophy and outlook. It's not overstepping the mark to say that his music is a complete reaction to most, if not all of what was taught in conservatoires at the time (and still to this day, in fact!) Knucmo2 (talk) 00:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just looked at my Grove Dictionary. It says: "He left home for Paris in 1903 and the next year entered the Schola Cantorum, where his teachers were Roussel (composition, counterpoint and fugue), Bordes (pre-classical music), and d'Indy (conducting). Bordes had a decisive influence in turning his attention to early music (always the favoured repertory for the choral groups which he directed from time to time), but Varèse was unable to put up with d'Indy's paternalism, and in 1905 he left the Schola to enrol in Charles-Marie Widor's composition class at the Conservatoire". Knucmo2 (talk) 00:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Excellent point. It was certainly misleading, even if one could say that music falls under the broad category of "sound"! I have changed it, always subject to reversion in the unlikely case that the cited source claims otherwise.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work Jerome. Knucmo2 (talk) 23:56, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  D'Indy - the famous acoustician? 

message: Substituted at 14:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The article contains the sentence:
"While living with his father, an engineer, Varèse was pushed to further his scientific understanding at the Institute Technique, a high school in Italy that specialized in teaching mathematics and science."
While the context suggests by that time Varèse lived in Italy, "Institute" is neither an Italian nor a French word, and "Technique" is not an Italian word, but is a valid French word.
Can anyone confirm that the "Istituto tecnico"  is what is meant here?Redav (talk) 16:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Institute Technique" is neither Italian nor French; what is meant?