Talk:Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance

message: I know there are some other people who have "adopted" amerindian identity (like Grey Owl) but I am at the loss to what to call them - "false amerindians" does not seem like a good term. Any suggestions? - Skysmith 10:25, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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message: Just found a reference to the making of "The Silent Enemy in the book "Bill Guppy:King of the Woodsmen" The reference is on page 250. The online version of the book can be found at 
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http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=893641
The movie was filmed at Rabbit Lake just east of Temagami, Ontario, Canada 
17:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making of the Silent Enemy 

message: Fantastic work! You've made great improvents, and don't think it's gone unnoticed. Well done. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent contributions by Parkwells

message: The lead paragraph reads as though he was shunned for falsely claiming to have been from the Blackfoot tribe. In the documentary "Reel Injun" Melinda Micco claims the falling out had more to do with his African ancestry than whether his autobiography was tribally correct. I find her assertion to be more plausible but obviously can't personally say for sure. In any case the claim is not cited. Does anyone have citable information on this? Ceaseless (talk) 04:25, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Dropped by social circles"

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message: I just had to cut a whole bunch of stuff that appeared to be sourced, but when I checked, was not in the sources at all. In some cases it said the opposite of what is in the sources. Pretty serious misrepresentations, actually. This case is pretty tragic, and due to how many black people claimed Native heritage for very real survival reasons, it's not really the same as most of the white people who've done it. Still.... Native heritage has to be sourced from Native sources, not personal claims. The sources that were being used for this do not say he had any heritage whatsoever. There was an Amazon.com review by a neopagan author who said she believed he must have had some... Yeah. That was the "source." So, I'm afraid he stays in the category with Grey Owl, Iron Eyes Cody, et al. Though I do have more sympathy for the guy, we've got to be accurate. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various cleanup 

message: These edits by User:2603:8001:dc3c:3c92:14e:28c3:e252:18d6 substantially changed the overall claims of this article based on a single paper. Maybe this one paper really did upend all the previous scholarship on this topic, but if so I think we need more secondary sources saying so before reframing the whole article around it. Unless there are objections, I am going to restore the previous lead and move this new paper's theory into a less prominent part of the body. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I missed it or would have rejected it. Reverted back to stable version. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

text: I'm having trouble getting a copy of this paper. Do you have a link to a version that gives access to Wikipedians with jstor etc access? Or even a copy of the pdf you could email me? The text added by the IP does not seem to line up with what we know of CBCLL's claims. While it's certainly true that some of what they are concerned about (see earlier IP edits from same range) really took place (passing, assimilation, claiming other ethinicities than one's own due to racism), that doesn't mean we should conflate or confuse different people's cases. CBCLL seems to be a clear case of hiding African American ancestry by passing as Native, not the other way around. Not to in any way disparage or deny the existence of "mixed" people, but he claimed completely different tribes than what this user added to the article. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:40, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:UNDUE]] issues