Talk:Glasgow Subway

message: The  tag at the top of the history section is interfereing with system map, I will try and find some references to remove it but if I cant then maybe someone could rejigg it. Gingerblokey 18:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a few more references and removed the tag Gingerblokey 18:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Citation tag/map conflict

message: Does anyone have a good photograph of the new livery mentioned in the article? David Arthur 21:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not - contrary to what the article says most of the trains still use the orange colour Cynical 22:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Livery 

message: "It remains one of only two tube-type underground railways in the UK outside London, the other being the Tyne and Wear Metro."
What about Merseyrail? ProhibitOnions 16:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase ‘tube-type underground railway’ may be confusing the issue, but isn’t Merseyrail considered a regular railway — despite its unusual franchising structure — rather than a metro like those of London, Glasgow, and Newcastle? David Arthur 22:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merseyrail is an autonomous rapid transit urban metro system run by Serco/Nedrail. There are 4 metros in the UK: London, Glasgow, Liverpool & Newcastle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.58.123 (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Glasgow City and District Railway had an underground station served by underground tunnels - 1886. This is classed an an underground urban transit. Liverpool's Merseyrail is a similar but a smaller version to London Underground with underground and overground track. Its core is the original underground Mersey railway.  152.37.85.43 (talk) 13:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Merseyrail is labelled a metro.  The metro-mayor constantly used the word. It is the first metro to use hybrid battery trains. 152.37.85.43 (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Liverpool

message: I was wondering what would be correct terminology to use - moving walkway or travelator (have i spelt this correctly?) Simply south 22:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travelator\Moving Walkway 

message: The reference to the subcrawl seems very dismissive and brief. Suggest a fuller entry, based around info from the website at subcrawl.co.uk? The subcrawl is a well-established pub crawl route: at one stage it had its own wikipedia page, that has now been deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.237.212 (talk) 02:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcrawl

message: I have created two stations on the Glasgow Subway as a start but they need vast improvement. Also, the rest of the stations need to be created. 
The stations i have created are:
*Buchanan Street subway station
*Cowcaddens subway station
Is subway the correct word to use?
Please feel free to create the rest of the stations. 
Also can someone create a railbox showuing the Glasgow Subway stations, similar to the National Rail and London Underground ones?
Simply south 19:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stations 

message: Wondering if anyone understands what is meant by the section I've put into italics below:
Is there a bit missing at the end of the sentence, to go with the use of "consequently"? Or is it trying to say that the points between Govan and Ibrox came after the electrification (i.e. perhaps "consequently" was used where "subsequently" was intended)? In any case, it's totally unclear. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 00:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Exit points for maintenance

message: Does anyone have annual ridership figures for the subway? 86.0.203.120 02:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridership

message: I live in glasgow and I'm not aware of this term being 'frowned upon', although people do tend to call it the 'subway'.  NPOv problem? raining girl 19:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might be from Espedair Street, like the Subcrawl thing. I'll have alook and see if I'm right. Remind me if I forget! --Guinnog 20:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I am aware, it has always been the Subway GGPTE tried to call it the Underground after the 1979 refurbishment. The Worthies of Glasgow still called it the Subway. It is just possible that SPT have have realised the enevitable and are recognising the appelation given to the system. As someone who travelled on the Glasgow Subway today Stewart 20:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  not disputing 'subway', but rather 'frowned upon'.  raining girl 20:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry - mis-understood. The as far as I was aware - and have used - the term Clockwork Orange has been common usage amongst Glaswegians since refurbishment, even recently as the overall orange dis-appears from the trains. Stewart 20:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  k, well since two of us are local enough to use the subway and both doubt 'frowned upon' I'm going to take it out. cheers!  raining girl 21:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure that Banks is the source for the "frowned upon"; I might replace it with a source. --Guinnog 10:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Banks refers to it as the Clockwork Orange in Espedair Street; he has Weird saying he'd intended to do the Clockwork Orange pub crawl but had never got around to it. Mr Larrington (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Clockwork Orange

message: In Feburary 2005 a group of students created the "Subway Challenge". Participants had to leave the train at Buchanan Street station and attempt to re-board the same train at St Enoch station. Challengers were free to travel between stations by any means necessary, however due to the fact that Buchanan Street is pedestrianised, motorised travel was not used.
	
Initially this was intended as a harmless prank and a bit of fun between friends, however an online video of the stunt has become cult viewing resulting in the challenge making the newspapers  and the stunt being re-recorded for Channel 4. 
Ottb19 23:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took this out as I thought it unencyclopedic. Maybe I was being too humourless. What do other people think? --Guinnog 23:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Passing by with some comments... For starters the teamteacake.com source you've used isn't a reliable source, given it's the organisation itself. I actually saw the re-recording on TV yesterday... Can't remember if it was C4, ITV or one of those two's digital dross channels; one thing's for sure the re-recording certainly doesn't make it notable since the show is just a TV version of youtube. But the press coverage probably does. Ta/wangi 00:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Subway Challenge

message: Does anyone know why the Subway's ridership figures seem to be declining? (see articles for stations). This seems bizarre since the areas it serves are becoming more built-up and residential and the number of people living, working and socialising in Glasgow is now growing.FrFintonStack 03:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridership

message: The map is great but according to the Railway line legend the  symbol denotes "Interchange station (with suburban or light rail network)". As far as I know the Subway, this would only apply to Buchanan St and Partick. All the others should use the  image shoudln't they? I think it's a bit misleading to suggest they all interchange with ScotRail, which clearly they don't!
BTW I love the way Wikipedia maps standardise to the German S-Bahn symbol! :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnbrb (talk • contribs) 18:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I originally drew the map for this article there were far less symbols to choose from than there are now. I've now amended it to make use of the correct blue symbols for a metro system. There isn't yet a blue version of the proper symbol that I need for the depot. Signalhead 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Another small note. I have just added Merkland Street to the diagram and used the closest symbol i could find. This is because there doesn't seem to be an icon which shows a closed metro station in tunnel generally. Maybe i should put this on WP:TRAIL. Simply south 17:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map legend for stations 

message: I just found a subway ticket in good condition from 1996 with the old Strathclyde Regional Council logo.  I could scan it for inclusion in the article if anyone thinks this would be neat.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.228.120 (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old subway ticket 

message: This claim may not be true. See Istanbul's Tünel opened in 1875.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.129.79 (talk) 00:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First is London, second is Liverool, third is Glasgow City and District, 4th is Budapest Line 1, fifth is Glasgow Subway. 152.37.85.43 (talk) 13:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Subway in The World? 

message: The antique (Victorian?) Glasgow Subway has a shape like a Switchback Railway, with stations at high points and low points between them.  Very peculiar.  Its history may be worth discussing somewhere.  --Una Smith (talk) 05:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glasgow Subway a switchback railway? 

message: Does anyone know the by-laws regarding this? I heard that until recently drinking was legal on the London underground. Is it legal on the Glasgow subway?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnealon (talk • contribs) 12:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dinking on the subway 

message: I heard that, on the pre-modernisation Subway, because one side of the carriages was never seen by passengers, that side wasn't painted, to save money. Does anybody know if that was true?Shrdlu junction (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   At that time the elaborate painting with the insignia etc was painted on the platform facing side, but the other side which always faced the wall was simply painted black. 213.106.85.133 (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do they have doors on both sides if all platforms are on one side? --Tobias b köhler (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting one side 

message: Both this and the Budapest Metro article claim to be the 3rd oldest underground metro system in the world.  Which is correct? Lugnuts (talk) 11:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to say the same thing. I see the status of the Mersey Railway/Merseyrail is discussed about, but Budapest is still claiming "third place" after it and the London underground. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First was The Metropolitan Railway (London Underground), 2nd The Mersey Railway (Merseyrail), 3rd Liverpool Overhead Railway (it had an underground section and station despite the name), 4th Budapest Metro. 2A01:4B00:881D:3700:5C8E:C2FC:D6A7:F92E (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

text: London was first urban railway predominantly underground, with underground and open stations in cuttings. The Mersey Railway was next using the same. 88.109.15.131 (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Merely being underground and in an urban area is not enough to qualify a railway as being a metro system.–Signalhead < T > 00:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying London Underground was not the first metro? 94.192.60.122 (talk) 07:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: He is indirectly. 152.37.85.43 (talk) 16:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third oldest 

message: Can someone give a proper explanation of outer and inner circle as the article doesn't seem to cover it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.73.48.124 (talk) 08:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, two circular tracks with one being inside the other.  The inside track is known as the 'inner circle'.  I shall leave it as an exercise for the reader to work out why the other track is called the 'outer circle'. 109.153.242.10 (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Outer & Inner circles

message: Anyone willing to start a rail vehicle page or at least create a decent section on this page for the rolling stock? I would myself like ive done for most of the UK light rail vehicles but have no knowledge or experience of the Glasgow stock and find that theirs far less written about them online with which to found an article. WatcherZero (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stock 

message: When the Subway was refurbished in 1977, the Automatic Fare Collection system was provided by Revenue Control Systems (RCS) of Watford, who designed, built and installed all the equipment except the ticket machines which were provided by Westinghouse of Chipenham, based on LU style Westomat machines.
The system went operational in 1979 and the tickets used were yellow paper single mag stripe Edmondson size tickets.
The gates used the first microprocessors (Intel 4004).
The RCS systwm was replaced by Cubic equipment in the late 80's
M C Newton
217.128.70.25 (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glasgow Underground 1979 Automatic Fare Collection System 

message: I have decided that the misleading omission of Merseyrail from the introduction to this article needs to be addressed. There are four cities with underground rapid transit systems in Britain - they are London, Newcastle, Glasgow and Liverpool. The Merseyrail system is the oldest of the three systems outside of the capital and predates the City and South London in having deep level stations with lift access. Though there are fewer stations compared to the Glasgow Subway, the route length (6.5 miles) is slightly larger and the passenger volume through the five underground stations on the route is greater than all fifteen on the Glasgow system.
Much is made of the fact that Merseyrail is not a metro, which I accept, but what is the essential difference between Merseyrail and the Tyne and Wear Metro apart from the fact that the latter calls itself a metro? The systems are very similar in terms of system length, underground system length, train frequency, areas served etc. Certainly the two systems have far more in common with each other than either does with the Glasgow Subway.
Don't forget that this is not a technical forum but an encyclopedia with a general readership. In that light, the omission of the Merseyrail system is incomprehensible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mann Island (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merseyrail Reference

message: Hi just wondered if anyone knew the reason why pushchairs(prams) have to be folded before going through the gates at glasgow tube station. the reason I asked is we have twins and my wife was unable to take them on the tube on her own as it was impossible for her to carry two kids and a folded chair as well as a baby bag through the gates.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.148.94 (talk) 19:36, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pushchairs

message: It is not 100% clear what the operating voltage is now. Is it still 600 volts? Could this be made clearer? Thanks. PeterEastern (talk) 04:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added to info box. 31.48.73.38 (talk) 18:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voltage of operation 

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message: I remember the pre-refurbishment service as being called "the Shuggle" - by virtue of the vigorous rocking motion that passengers were subjected to. Am I alone in this recollection and, more importantly, do any published accounts record this?ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Shuggle"? 

message: The reference given says that Tait was *an* assistant engineer on the project, not *the* assistant engineer. Do we have any more references? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiliam Tait 

message: Apparently, the recently adopted official subway map in Scottish Gaelic says "Fo-rèile Ghlaschu" for "Glasgow Subway". It should be changed in the table.--2001:16B8:31B0:B400:D1DF:956A:E183:B2DE (talk) 15:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Gaelic name 

message: The existing future developments section primarily touches on former proposals for expansion. The section has collected things that weren't in the last round of modernisation.
In general, the expansion plans discussed have not been serious plans with funding and rigour (which is partly why we have a link to glasgowlive). The reference in the introductory remarks to expansion plans from 2007 is probably also not necessary; they add nothing to the context of what the subway system is today or will be in the future. 
Any dormant proposals, including crossrail, are probably not relevant in light of the publication of the final recommendations of the STPR2, which retains the subway in the Clyde Metro proposals.
Can we either reduce the existing "Future development" section to something more like "Former expansion proposals"? 2600:4041:5BE9:5404:D0B6:5A70:B9EB:645 (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Future development section is not about future developments