Talk:Kenosha, Wisconsin

message: Kenosha, or any other geographical place, does not "lay" anywhere. "Lay" is a transitive verb, and the intransitive verb that you want is "lie". Female birds and reptiles lay eggs, and I can lay my last dollar on a purchase. One the other hand, St. Louis lies along the Mississippi River, Chicago lies along the Chicago River, Washington, D.C., lies along the Potomac River, Cleveland lies along the southern shore of Lake Erie, and Naples, Italy, lies along the lower slopes of Mt. Vesuvius. 
Also, the official spelling, and the official trademark of AMTRAK is in all upper case letters, just like I just typed it.98.81.9.253 (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kenosha '''''lies''''' on the western shore of Lake Michigan

message: Interestingly no mention here of the UW - Parkside campus. I think that a link would at least serve justice. Also a little history from the AMC and American Brass, etc. days wouldn't hurt. 
Kenosha, Wisconsin in my opinion is a remarkable case of an American city that rebound after massive plant closures and depression. How was it done and who was behind the recovery is perhaps a noteworthy topic. HAE
I remember reading about Micheal in the paper. the cop got a medal and just recently the family won a settlement suit. but i think it should be its own article because like people have already voiced, this kind of thing happens in every major city sooner or later, and Kenosha wasn't the first or last to have such an unfortunate incident (for both sides).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.18.86 (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  UW-Parkside 

message: The list of "notable people from Kenosha" has grown quite large. Are all of these people really from Kenosha, and in what way? (i.e., born in Kenosha, grew up in Kenosha, visited Kenosha once in 1967...? :) HollyAm 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The list has now been greatly reduced to only Kenosha born notable people. Spizzma 06:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; I changed the heading to "Notable natives" then. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable people

message: All due respect to National Geographic, but this does not sound right to me.Mikereichold 04:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What evidence do you have that it isn't? As far as I know, it is. Also, I live in Kenosha, and I have never heard of anyone be insulted by being refered to in such a way. And just a note, this does not have to do with the edit by 63.232.76.182, next time just start a new topic by putting == Title ==. :-)Spizzma 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by 63.232.76.182  

message: Please put points for and against Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland here. If the position can be supported, then perhaps it needs looked at. Otherwise, some references to Kenosha being part of Chicagoland would be useful.
* According to the online community http://www.kenoshaonline.net/, there is a controversy about the designation of Kenosha as part of Chicagoland. This is a large (1,000,000+ hits) community, and appears to be a counter-culture to the paper newspaper, "Kenosha News." 68.248.234.180 09:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland 

message: Are we sure that the name "Kenosha" comes from Potawatomi mashknozhé (my guess on the proper spelling; on this page it's spelled "mas-ke-no-zha") and not just knozhé? The latter is the name for "northern pike" (see, for example, ), while the first probably means "muskellunge" (the literal translation being something more like "bad pike" or "ugly pike," judging by my limited knowledge of Ojibwe, where maashkinoozhe means "ugly pike"--i.e., "muskellunge"). 
It seems more likely to me that, of these two words for different types of pike--knozhé (pronounced k-noe-zhay) and something similar to mashknozhé (mawshk-noe-zhay)--the one almost matching "Kenosha" exactly is the origin. Does anyone have any references for the origin of the name that support "mas-ke-no-zha"? Or that support something different?
Thanks, --Red Newt 16:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dictionary of Wisconsin History says "Kenosha" comes from the "Chippewa" word "Kinoje" to mean "pickerel or pike."  But please keep in mind that "Chippewa" can be a collective term for all Anishinaabeg, and the area of Kenosha is not a traditional Ojibwe area, but that area was an area for the Potawatomi.  The Ojibwe word described here in the Double Vowel spelling would be ginoozhe, which when converted to the Potawatomi orthography would be gnozhé. So Potawatomi? Yes.  From Potawatomi word mashknozhé? No.  From the Potawatomi word gnozhé? Yes. CJLippert 05:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Name 

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message: Whatever happened to the income levels? I can't seem to find them in any recent edits. Schnauf 18:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: Right now it's called Kenosha, Wisconsin.  But it is a significantly sized city, and there is pretty much zero chance of another city ever being named Kenosha.  So why not take out the extra letters?  It's not like there are other Kenoshas out there.  See Dunkirk for an even smaller city with nonesuch ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup.  It's all true.  Click here for more.  My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 22:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if it was something RHaworth or Lord Laitinen did wrong, but when the page got moved, the Facebook page that's linked to this Wikipedia article got renamed as well, so everyone's profile as well as business pages just says Kenosha now instead of Kenosha, Wisconsin. Something needs to be done about this. MikeM2011 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to move page to Kenosha 

message: With this picture, just no, no.  It is not a neighborhood.  It is a tree.  It's in the outer part of a yard by a sidewalk.  And, I know that neighborhood, it is not a "typical" neighborhood, it is a "nice" and more expensive neighborhood, relatively speaking.  We need to replace it; if it is a picture of a "neighborhood" there should probably be some buildings in the picture. It's a great picture, but it's not a total representation of Kenosha and it's not a picture of a neighborhood. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup.  It's all true.  Click here for more.  My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 21:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Why do you wish to keep out the information about a very important geological marine biology event that cost a lot of money to tourism and the fishing industry as a whole in the 60s. When alewives piled on the shores and destroyed the beaches, Coho were introduced and within a season the problem was not only rectified but brought on an entire new industry for Tourism with the yearly Kenosha Coho Arama, Now the Coho tournament.  
Periodic mass dieoffs result in vast numbers of the fish washing up on shore; estimates by various governments have placed the percentage of Lake Michigan's biomass, which was made up of alewives in the early 1960s, as high as 90%. In the late 1960s, the various state and federal governments began stocking several species of salmonids, including the native lake trout as well as non-native chinook and coho salmon; by the 1980s, alewife populations had dropped drasticallyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
This event was covered comprehensively by National Geographic and the Discovery channel.  As a 61 year old Keno, I can say the WIki article is spot-on but missing so much.
Speaking of SPOT. Also the Spot drive-in which each and every Kenoshan will eat at whether living there or visiting. It is a teenage hotspot that is a rite of passage for the kids. But the adults pull in right behind them. It is one of the last cohesive bastions of all generations to co-mingle.http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/species/cohosalmon.pdf
Dlschuch1953 (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappointment about notable information 

message: The shutting down of the AMC plants was critical to Kenosha's economy. This has been covered by several notable rags. I will look for situations later.
The irony was, the plants kept small and lucrative businesses from being able to get workers at an affordable pay for DECADES. So we had to travel to Milwaukee or Chicago to shop.
When the plant closed, many were out of work, some close to pension. Every man in Kenosha, up until 1987, worked at one time for American Motors. It was just a rite of passage.
The positive was, many small businesses swooped in and changed not only the ambiance of downtown Kenosha, but ctreated amny more jobs than expected, Of course, they do not pay as well as AMC, but the all around benefits outweigh that.
Also, Jelly Belly has a factory there open ALL YEAR around, not just during the holidays.
The Jelly Belly factory is in Pleasant Prairie, not Kenosha  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8036:5FB0:49A5:3EEA:2FC3:6151 (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee Iacoca Controversy 

message: I really doubt "Kenosha" is pronounced  with two primary stresses; one of them must be a secondary stress.--Carnby (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: In history section it should be mentioned that Jacob Blacke was reaching for a knife and this is the reason he was shot.  https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN25M0KS 2607:FEA8:460:4430:252F:CF27:DFB9:709D (talk) 06:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Which others deny.Slatersteven (talk) 09:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

text: . This is clearly not "History", so I removed the paragraph, so the request is now moot. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not "History", but it is not reasonable that the Kenosha article doesn't even cross-reference Shooting of Jacob Blake and the ensuing protests and violence. Of course, WP is not a newspaper, but that doesn't mean we should ignore events like this entirely (cf. WP:EVENT). The Blake shooting and subsequent events have been covered not only by national media, but around the world (France, Germany, India), with Kenosha being prominently mentioned. If not under History, what would be a more suitable section? --Macrakis (talk) 18:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2020 

message: I'm appalled not to find any mentioning of Jacob Blake and the consequences (unrest in the city, dispatching of the National Guard, etc.)
Those are in the international news, and here, they're not even linked in the history section?! Very strange. [And yes, this is developing history!] Any reason for the silence about what has catapulted Kenosha into the international spotlight? --Ibn Battuta (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I removed it.  Seriously though, appalled? That's pretty hyperbolic.  Especially seeing something about ongoing events in the "History" section is silly.  This is an article about the city from a long-term perspective, not a newspaper.  At best, a link in the "See also" section would be appropriate.  I wouldn't even be opposed to a temporary hatnote directing readers to the appropriate place. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added a (temporary!) hatnote as just mentioned.  At the very least, this should be given a good while, especially until it fades from the news cycle before anything specific is added.  Even then, it's hard to see more than one or two sentences at this point. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Welp, I missed the responses above.  Macrackis has a reasonable point, which hopefully the hatnote addresses.  If not, what was there was way too detailed.  For an article this broad, something along the lines of   Anything more, especially at this point, is premature. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I was wondering why it was removed, but then it is only one killing.Slatersteven (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is definitely a recent event, WP:USCITIES does suggest "events that shaped the community" in the history section.  I'd be in favor of a line or two with a link to the two main articles.  Something like, "In August 2020, a Black man was shot by police in Kenosha, resulting in protests in Kenosha and elsewhere". Magnolia677 (talk) 10:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But we do not know yet if this will "shape the community".Slatersteven (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  hi. If this were about Paris or Moscow, I'd see your point. But, with all do respect, it's about - what's the name again? Kenotia? Kanusha? Somethink like that. Nobody EVER heard of it before Blake being shot there. Users click the page to get some local context, for instance the excellent demography data. And, essentially, your argumentation falls like a house of cards when you actually do read through the History section: minor local events receive their own paragraphs, with this or that specific Renault model being built there, or the street lamps (!) of anno ... being replicated and reinstalled. Which is fair enough. But the Blake shooting is LESS historic than that? Really? The fact that he was shot probably isn't, these events come a dozen to the cent, but THAT'S THE ISSUE, and this one made a difference. The Sarajevo assassination was also one of many in that time (especially in Russia, maybe less in Austria-Hungary), but it started of a certain event you might have heard about. I hope you did. The way you go on a political crusade here indicates that you either a) never heard of the Great War or anything of historical importance, or b) you do very well understand what does put History's wheels into motion, and this one development is not to your liking. Too much fuss, too many articles already, to paraphrase you. But it's like trying to stop a tornado with a pointy hood: physics works against it. Have a merry, unmasked day in the open. Arminden (talk) 07:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing: Jacob Blake and the consequences 

message: Hi, User:Magnolia677 and I are having some disagreements about the location of Petrifying Springs Park that I would like to open up for discussion.  This user has removed the park's info as they are claiming it is not located in Kenosha based on "Google Maps and the county GIS...http://kc-web-01.kenoshacounty.org/InteractiveMapping/"  
My issue is that the park itself and the golf course both have addresses for Kenosha, Wisconsin. The official Kenosha County website lists the address as - Petrifying Springs Park
5555 7th Street, Kenosha, WI 53144  (as does Google Maps). The issue here is that it has a Kenosha street address and a Somers, Wisconsin mailing address . Nevertheless, I believe it is worth mentioning in this article given the official address is Kenosha. At the very least, it needs to be moved to Kenosha County, Wisconsin.
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replies: text: I agree it would be worth mentioning on the county website. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petrifying Springs Park/Golf Course  

message: Both the article and "Talk" page at Kenosha unrest shooting are blocked from editing.  Please fix this ridiculous situation immediately! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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