Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One/Archive 2

message: I don't know if this has been noted before, but a lot of the historical results seem to be missing the last driver (i.e. the first driver to retire from the race). For example, see 1998 Brazilian Grand Prix compared to  - Ralf Schumacher went out on lap 1, and is missing from the WP page. sjorford →•← 11:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: yeh i noticed this with one race a while ago but thought nothing of it. BillCook (no longer here i don't think) did all races automatically using a VisualBasic program, there was obviously a bug in it if that has happened for a lot of races. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 03:01, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I've noticed that the times aren't always accurate. (Case in point, the 1972 - 1977 United States Grand Prix entries had minor time mistakes, at least according to United States Grand Prix And Grand Prize Races 1908-1977 (Doug Nye, ) More I'm sure were slightly off, but alas, I had not the time, and the book was due back at the library... -slowpokeiv 22:58, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing results? 

message: Foolish Question. As it is silly season, I pose a few questions regarding the current listings on 2006 Formula One season:
# Should the current lists be in place? (or should they be removed until all details are confirmed.)
# Should the dates list include the tracks? (or should just the dates be present)
# Should the flags of drivers not yet confirmed be present?
My answers would be 1) Yes,  2) Yes, and 3) No, as To Be Announced does not have any nationality assigned to it. I figured it would be good topic to bring up, as it only 4 editors have altered this article, showing that the existance of the page might not yet be public knowledge. -slowpokeiv 01:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. Yes, 2. Yes, 3. No - the flags are just strange. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 06:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Formula One season 

message: Foolish Question: Do we need/want a table formatting template? I pose the question, as the formatting that is suggested on ou WP page, and is currently in use is much nicer than "prettytable", the formatting template currently in use on the 2004, 2003, and further back season reports. I suggest said template, possibly called F1table, and have that added, inplace of the other formatting in place for just about all of our tables. (honestly, I can't find an exception, and it would add the benifit of if we wish to change the standard, we can do it once, instead of X times.)
Also, side note, recently discovered (as I was putzing for the main table) If you want to declare the entire row a colour (our header, for example) you can mere state
|- style="background: #f9f9f9;
instead of declaring it each time, even in the first row (which does not usually require the |-). -slowpokeiv 02:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made one called :Template:F1 race table that sets up the style and columns for the F1 race results, like the table shown in 1950 British Grand Prix. It is used like the prettytable one, just:
{|{{subst:F1 race table}}
|-
|data
|-
|etc
}
AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 06:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a CSS class (in MediaWiki:Common.css) that defines a consistent look for basic tables.  Just use class="wikitable" at the start of your table.  Templates for defining style have a bigger processing cost than CSS.   Rather than use a template for only F1 articles, just document some example tables with copy-and-paste wikitext. -- Netoholic @ 23:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table Formatting Template? 

message: For the GP Race Reports should the category be YEAR in sports, or YEAR in motor racing. From 2000 on, and including the current year, motor sports seems to be the standard, but prior to that sports is, and is also the listed standard on WP:F1. Slightly confused, and just want to know, before I change one or the other... -slowpokeiv 16:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Motor racing is more specific than sports, I'm guessing what's happened in the later years is someone's created those categories, but hasn't done them for pre-2000. If motor racing is available I'd use it, where it's not use the 'in sports' one.. - Joolz 18:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories? 

message: About a month ago I created Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Formula One (see Wikipedia:Wikiportal if you're unfamiliar with these), and Mark83 did some work on it while I was out of town. However, maintaining it is a big job, so please help out! Each of the boxes is a subpage, and each has an "edit" link in the upper right corner. Also, please add your comments to the talk page, and help decide things such as how often the featured article and picture should be rotated, how to format the standings, etc. Thanks! — Dan | Talk 14:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formula One portal 

message: I hope that this is the right place to ask. The question is why the default F1 Race Results table do not include a column for tire manufacturers? Is this discussed before? Can we add it?
--Pulsar 20:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tire Manufacturer? 

message: I hope I'm not treading on anybody's shoes or anything (although you are supposed to "be bold" on Wikipedia!), but I thought that Formula One could do with a good old tidy up, so I'm about to edit parts of the whole article. I think the article at the moment is a bit too long; it needs to be more concise. Perhaps we need to set out what really needs to be in the main article and what can be left for other articles such as History of Formula One, as I think the aim of Formula One should be to explain the basics of F1 in a concise manner. doctorvee 20:44, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. There is, and doubtless will always be, a tendency for people to add details about the current season which are irrelevant to a general overview of the sport, and instead belong in one of season articles. However, though concise writing is desirable, there's nothing wrong with a long article, so long as it doesn't contain any extraneous information. — Dan | Talk 20:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Yay! I've put its little FA infobox on the WikiProject page, hopefully we can get some more in the future. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 04:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Formula One]] 

message: I think there needs to be a bit of work done on some of the Grand Prix and circuit articles. While some of the articles are very in-depth (such as Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps and Autodromo Nazionale Monza), Brazilian Grand Prix has very little in it.
I'm trying to think of ways you could expand the smaller articles, and also to distinguish the GP articles from the circuit articles (eg. don't include information that's specifically about Monza in Italian Grand Prix). I think for the GP articles you could write about such as venue changes and particularly notable grands prix. The circuit articles could contain more information on how the circuit has evolved, or famous corners. What does everybody else think? doctorvee 18:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. I've fleshed out the Canadian Grand Prix a bit -- added a paragraph on the 1982 Grand Prix. Is this sort of along the lines of what you were talking about? CanSpice 20:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking of! There'll probably be a severe bias towards writing about recent grands prix, but it's better than nothing. \•/ doctorvee » Talk 00:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GP and circuit articles 

message: I noticed the classification tables in the Grand Prix reports use "team" rather than "car". While this is not a problem for races held since 1982, it does pose a problem when talking about older Grand Prixs, as privateer teams and drivers were a regular fixture in World Championship events up to the mid 1970s. Also, the season reports should take into account non-World Championship events, such as the BRDC International Trophy, the Solituderennen or the Syracuse Grand Prix. Pc13 18:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privateer entries 

message: And I quote from Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One, "How to help", point number 5:
Keep an eye on Formula One-related changes at Special:Recentchangeslinked/Formula One.
I don't know about you, but as far as my F1 interests are concerned, I don't give a (insert phrase here) about 2001, Japan, October 23, World War II, 2005, Moscow, and the likes. Yes, those articles are important, and they should be kept accurate, but to be honest, I just don't care. (That, and someone else can do that.) What I suggest, and have started to implement, is a listing of all truly F1 related pages, located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Related Pages, allowing the use of the following link (Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Related Pages) to quickly see what pages that I do care about have changed. -slowpokeiv 15:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's a good idea, I imagine there are lots of pages though. -- Joolz 17:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm sure there are. I started by conglomerating all the "list of" pages, I figured that should cover all Grands Prix, Circuits, Constructors, drivers, and other non-driver persons. I'm sure if there are any omissions, someone will add them to this list. (hopefully...)-slowpokeiv 22:03, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Excellent idea. I fixed the link in the "How to help" section. — Dan | Talk 05:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related Changes 

message: When I copyedited the main Formula One page a couple of weeks ago, one of the things I thought was particularly in need of attention was the external links section. There were about two dozen links in it. This doesn't help anybody — how would anybody be able to know which sites to visit if they wanted to find out more about F1? The list needs to be short and discerning. I trimmed it down to six. It seems that people have a habit of coming along and adding a site to the list, never to be seen again. I would call this spam. I said at the time that I thought links should either be immediately deleted or discussed here. What does everybody else think? \•/ doctorvee » Talk 17:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Especially if this page is to be Featured Article quality, the "spam" links should be cut to a minimum, and if there is a link that appears, it should be immediately removed. If possibly noteworthy, it should be discussed here. If not, it should be pointed out to the user that inserted it, and that user should be invited to discuss it here. -slowpokeiv 22:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Having taken a while to sort and transcribe the qualifying results for Spa this weekend, I decided to take a go at automating the process.
The result is available here: .  Though it's fairly basic at the moment, I've used it to populate a number of races this season.
I'm not sure of the status of other such scripts — I know Bill Cook created a program to populate past results — but I'm thinking of putting further effort into this sort of thing; the idea being the creation of automated qualifying and race results, updates for the portal (such as next race, championship standings etc), circuit and driver infoboxes and so on.
Any thoughts/suggestions? » Christopher | Talk | 23:07, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Work. I've been working to standardize and correct old race data but it would be a great time saver for new info. ChrisR | Talk | 16:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automated generation of updates 

message: Any thought of having the race direction arrow at the start/finish line, as is done on the FIA television graphics? CanSpice 20:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Maps 

message: I was wondering if you have any plans to expand the project to cover grands prix prior to 1950 or if it's worth starting a new WikiProject for the task? I've added a race report for the 1937 British Grand Prix using the basic layout from the 1950 race and expanding it a little. Comments, suggestions, help and criticism welcome. Luca's Ade  21:47, 1 October 2005
:I have tonnes of information on the pre-1950 races. Andreasu 04 October, 2005 09:52.
Great. I've started a new category to try and bring the information together, rather clumsily titled I'm afraid :Category:Grand Prix Before Formula One. Any help appreciated. Luca's Ade 21:15, 4 October 2005
Would a WikiProject Grand Prix racing be a good idea? Those articles certainly could use some improvement. — Dan | Talk 23:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That project should only cover racing before World War II. Racing held after 1945 should belong to the F1 Project, as F1 rules came into effect in July 1947 with the Swiss Grand Prix. - Pc13 11:31, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-F1 grands prix 

message: DNS stands for when a car does not take a a race start. Makes sense. By having Ret listed that mean the driver has actually started in that race and will count a race starts towards the driver race start tally.. The formation lap does not count as a lap at all as it is not added towards the race classification. For when does a driver 'start' a Grand Prix? To my mind he does so only if he is on the grid when the flag drops or light goes green at the final start. Should a driver have failed to compete the formation lap, for instance (as was the case with Prost at Imola in 1991), he cannot truly be said to have started the race. In the case of restarted events such as the British GP in 1986, poor Jacques Laffite certainly did start the race, but this was declared null and void and he was not presented to take the restart, which is the only one that counts. For true official race results is best to get them off www.forix.com as they receive their race results from the officials. Yes I know formula1.com is official but not 100% official in statistics. If you decide to leave it as Ret then you must give all the drivers a race start count!
I have spend hours in researching and asking many F1 statistician who are famous and know more on Grand Prix. All the statisian I have contacted and got back told me it is actually DNS not Ret, they also have mention the formula1.com is not very accurate with their race results. The formula1.com is incorrect as listing as ret instead of DNS for 2005-USA. This were the responses from the following people. Renowned F1 statistians, like David Hayhoe or Autosport's Peter Higham agree that all Michelin drivers were DNS in 2005-USA, but consider a RET if a driver didn't made a re-start, for example. That was the common view in the past - no contemporary source listed Lauda as a DNS in 1976-Germany - and they simply ignore the current "null and void" FIA rule. I totally agree to change it as DNS not Ret as they didn't take part on the first lap.
Here is a intersting fact. Button will start his 100th race start in the 2005-China race. But according to wikipedia when doing the math by adding all Button race starts it would be his 101st race start in China as Button has been listed as Ret instead of DNS for this year 2005-USA race. Does this make sense to you. That means wikipedia will have an extra race start for all the drivers who have no started in the 2005 USA race have an extra race start which wouldn't be official to the drivers stats.
I am trying to help you all to have accurate data on Formula 1 on wikipedia. I DO beleive the formula1.com site doesn't not give out accurate race classifications. As I have been involved with FORIX and autosport.com for many years as my job is to look for incorrect data on their server. Andreas 04 October 09:36
:Go for it. I put them down as DNS before, but took it off my watchlist a while after the race had ended. - SoM 20:54, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 USA-Race  

message: Hello all - I've just noticed that the infobox at the top of each driver article (and perhaps more articles..) results in a { being displayed at the start of the article - having fiddled with the Alonso article, i can't find a simple explanation or solution - this occurs in IE and Firefox, and apologies if this is a known MediaWiki problem - anyone got any idea how to tidy this annoying display bug up? Petesmiles 04:31, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have been the result of vandalism to Template:F1 driver, which is now reverted. — Dan | Talk 05:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Small problem with the tops of F1 Driver Articles

message: Quick suggestion: I know that the discussion had been held, and the statement made, that nationality had no place on grand prix past winners articles. (discussion) I would propose that it seems to be that a driver's nationality does seem to be relavant, in that on 2005 Formula One season, and on current race reports (AUS, SMR, MCO, etc...) flag icons are present. I propose that flag icons be added to all Grand Prix articles, to match what had been done at Dutch Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix, among probably others -slowpokeiv 00:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags on Grand Prix Pages 

message: I was looking at the 'What links here' for Dave Walker (a musician) and found links from Grand Prixs. I investigated it and found that there was a Formula One driver named Dave/David Walker. I can't find any Wikipedia pages about the latter. Should a page be created for him, and then all the incorrect links moved?
I could write that, as I have the neccessary research materials (just give me a chance to find that 'Motor Sport' article about Walker from last year).  Dave Walker is famous for a few things in F1 history, but mostly for being the team-mate of Emerson Fittipaldi at Lotus in 1972.  Fittipaldi won the Championship, while Walker didn't score a single point.  Walker's still bitter about that even now...Lec CRP1 04:35, 18th October 2005
 David Walker article has now been created.  Probably needs a bit more work. --Lec CRP1 06:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave Walker 

message: I've started a table to contain a summary of Cosworth's involvement in F1. Any help filling it in would be good, thanks. Spute 16:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosworth page 

message: Up until a couple of days ago, Sauber redirected to BMW Sauber, and the combined history of both teams was on the BMW Sauber page. Then someone (probably accidentally) put information about Sauber's outside-F1 activities on the redirect page, and now all the information regarding the "original" Sauber has moved back to the Sauber page. I think this is the right way to go, because BMW has completely taken over Sauber, and Peter Sauber has walked away - similar to what happened with Benetton/Renault and Jaguar/Red Bull etc, despite the team keeping the "Sauber" name. I was a little surprised when I first saw the changes, but after thinking about it, I think it's right. I was just wondering what everyone else thought. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 10:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, Sauber has history outside F1, especially in sports car racing, that needs to be on its own page and is completely unrelated to BMW Sauber, especially regarding the Sauber-Mercedes partnership in Group C racing and the initial Sauber prototypes. --Pc13 11:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree. I was just thinking the other day that someone should write a proper article about Sauber's sportscar, etc. history.- there's loads of info on Sauber's official website that could be included - and best to do it before BMW revamps the site and makes it about their own motorsport history. I'd have a go if i had time, but really not feasible at the moment.Spute 13:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've taken the liberty of editing the BMW-Sauber webpage to include BMW's F1 history as well as a short history of Sauber in F1.  If someone wants to modify the regular Sauber page with a more complete sportscar and F1 history, feel free. The359 06:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sauber]] vs [[BMW Sauber]]

message: I've recently been working on getting the List of Formula One World Champions up to featured list status. I put in a lot more information than the current list (here), and as a result, drivers' and constructors' champs couldn't be put in the same table. So I did two seperate tables, and got a bit more information (records, totals) such that I thought they might even need to be put on two seperate pages altogether. I think this is the best way to go, as it means that we could have information specific to either Championship (it would be awesome if someone could find a free image of one or both trophies), and the pages do not get too big. I've included a little marking on each to indicate when the team's driver has won the wdc, and vice-versa for the wcc, so to tie the pages together. The problems are that (1) we have a v. nice template :Template:Formula One, which links with the word "Champions" and if we had seperate pages, we would need 2 links to fit in the same space; and (2) i'm not sure what would go on the List of Formula One World Champions page... Anyway, here are the lists I made:
*(Combined into one page): User:Albinomonkey/List of Formula One World Champions
*(Split into two):
**User:Albinomonkey/List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions
**User:Albinomonkey/List of Formula One World Constructors' Champions
There is also a User:Albinomonkey/List of Formula One World Championship pointscoring systems, which shows the distribution of points for the championship over time but i'm not really sure about the suitability of this. Maybe we could write a general description of pointscoring etc on the List of Formula One World Champions (current) page and include this information on that instead. Let me know what you think!
ps, i made a new template for quickly inserting links to F1 seasons - instead of typing 2005 to produce 2005, you can now just type in  (you can leave out the subst: bit, but i think it makes it easier for people in the future). Thanks AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 15:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Formula One World Champions]] 

message: I've put List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions as a featured list candidate. Express your support or opposition for it's promotion here. Thanks AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 05:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions]] on [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates|WP:FLC]] 

message: Articles related to Formula One:
History of Formula One
Formula One regulations
Formula One cars
Formula One racing
Future of Formula One
Lists:
Grands Prix | Drivers (Champions)
Constructors (Champions)
Circuits | Records | Other People
Articles related to Formula One:
History of Formula One
Formula One regulations
Formula One cars
Formula One racing
Future of Formula One
Lists:
Drivers (Champions)
Constructors (Champions)
Grands Prix | Circuits
Records | Other People
Since I've split up the List of Formula One World Champions into separate lists of drivers and constructors, I thought we should probably change the current F1 template (see here) to include links to the new lists, replacing the "Champions" link currently there. I also took an irrelevant list of F1 records off the WC page, and made a new page List of Formula One records, and I think this should be included too. I'm not very good with this kind of stuff, but I had a go at adjusting the current one... Hopefully someone can tweak it or come up with something better. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 05:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New [[:Template: Formula One]]? 

message: Eh, I'm going userbox crazy, and thought I'd create the  userbox. Proclaim with pride that you are a member of the Formual One WikiProject!Or not, up to you, just thought I'd announce it to everyone. -slowpokeiv 16:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox Insanity! 

message: OK, possibly controversial subject here: When using flag icons, what flags should be used? The flag as currently used in that country, or the flag that was used at the time of the event? Anyone that can guess why this could become controversial, well, bonus points for you, but if we continue to use flagicons, we should have a policy as to which ones we do use. -slowpokeiv 16:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to use the flag of the country at the time of the event. What would we do for countries which no longer exist, otherwise? Obviously, the controversial flag would be Germany's from the 1935-1945 period. But when German drivers won races during this period it was the swastika which was raised above the winners podium, wasn't it? I'm not sure if any German drivers or teams participated in races between 1945 and 1949, though. If so, there may be a problem as the country had no flag at the time. (These issues regarding Germany only need to be dealt with for pre-Formula One grand prix, as the flag has been constant and non-controversial since 1949, assuming the East Germany wasn't involved in F1.) Pburka 16:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True, that flag has been constant since then, but not all F1 flags have. (quickie example, the (some would call annoying) habit of the USA to change their flag each time that a state is added, last occuring in 1960.) Main point was, that whichever policy we have, (and podium flown seems to be a good one, and consistant with consensus when the Union Jack v. St. George question came up.) we should agree to it, and as it is in place, be able to enforce it. (my standardization tendancies, coming through...)(side note: Occupied Germany 45-49 used a Nautical C flag  with a triangle cutout, so I suppose that would suffice, and would have probably been used.) -slowpokeiv 17:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag Debate 

message: The Mark Webber article is a complete mess, i have tagged it as needing a cleanup --Windsok 13:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Webber 

message: Now that it has been decided to keep the 2007 Formula One season article, it is important to keep the information contained within pages like this respectable. I have removed M Schumacher from the Toyota driver line up of the 2008 Formula One season article. This is complete and utter speculation. I would suggest we apply the following guidelines to these articles and similar speculative articles in relation to F1:-
1) If information is confirmed by a team, driver or the FIA then it should obviuosly be included. e.g. Alonso to McLaren in 2007
2) If information is strongly hinted by those invloved and backed up with a large amount of media writing but yet to be confirmed, it should be added but with a * (* = to be confirmed) and references (and links where possible) given.
3) If information has sufficient back-up i.e. respected media strongly suggest it to be true, then it can be added but with a ** (** = Strongly speculated) and references (and links where possible) given.
4) If information is mere speculation in media and general gossip, then it should NOT be added to the article but discussed on this talk page with references (and links where possible) given.
I don't want to restrict freedom, but it would be good to discuss things first on the talk pages.
Feedback/comments please. MonkeyMumford 19:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Season 2010 is a candidate for delection. Feedbacks (or eventually improvement to article) in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2010_Formula_One_season, i.e. are there some interesting things to tell in the article? Should we  wait some years?. -- Cate 14:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future season pages editing policy suggestion 

message: I've been going through the season pages all the way back to the 70s, and I've noticed that a lot of the results for final constructor's results are way off, especially in that teams are listed in the apparently incorrect place.  I'm going off of the final results pages on Formula1.com, and I'm being left just utterly confused... The359 19:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Constructor's Championship results

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? I noticed your list of FAs, are there any others? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings from WikiProject Community, which supports the Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects effort. Just wanted to let you folks know (if you didn't already) that you have a listing at Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/WPHobbies#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One and the article Brabham Racing Organisation is being assessed at WikiProject Australia/Assessment. I know zero about auto racing of any kind, but I'm impressed by this WikiProjects efforts and have learned a lot since I encountered Peer review/Brabham Racing Organisation and Portal:Formula One. I took the liberty of editing WikiProject_Formula_One/Task_template and :Category:Formula One (Hope you don't mind). I highly recommend Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment, considering the bulk of articles you folks are handling. • CQ 15:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: Can we add the technical data for the cars to the appropriate teams article? For example, Super Aguri:
 Technical Specifications
SA05
Chassis Construction: Moulded carbon fibre and honeycomb composite construction incorporating front and side composite impact structures. Integral roll protection structures. Fully enclosed fuel cell.
Bodywork construction: Composite one piece sidepod and engine cover, separate carbon floor section, structural composite nose box and composite wings.
Front suspension: Wishbones, pushrod operated torsion bars and dampers. Mechanical anti-roll bar.
Rear suspension: Wishbones, pushrod operated coil springs and dampers. Mechanical anti-roll bar.
Dampers: Ohlins
Wheels: BBS
Tyres: Bridgestone
Brakes: AP Racing Calipers, Hitco material
Steering: SAF1 power assisted
Steering wheel: SAF1 specification and composite construction
Drivers seat: Driver specific carbon composite
Seat belts: Takata
Fuel cell: ATL kelvar reinforced to SAF1 specification
Battery: 2.5 Ah lead acid
Instrumentation: SAF1 specification
Transmission: SAF1 carbon composite maincase. 7 speed semi automatic electro hydraulically controlled
Clutch: Sachs
 RA806E
Displacement: 2.4 litres
Configuration: V8 naturally aspirated
Vee angle: 90 degrees
Maximum power: Over 700 bhp
Maximum revs: Over 19,000 rpm
Valve train: 4 valves per cylinder, pneumatic valve system
Throttle system: Electro hydraulically-operated system
Ignition system: Honda PGM-IG
Spark Plugs: NGK
TruthCrusader 09:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I think it's a bit much. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 10:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I just thought maybe people would want to know the tech parameters of the cars themselves. TruthCrusader 15:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a bit much for the team article. Where there is an article on a specific car you could put it in, though. (Not very many car articles at present - see Brabham BT46B for example (Yes, I'm blowing my own trumpet...)). It would be more relevant there. 4u1e 16:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical data 

message: I believe that the entire F1 section needs to have every reference to "Formula One" changed to "Formula 1".
All branding material from the FIA refers to it as Formula 1, the official site is formula1.com. I also seem to remember a rant about 1 vs One in Road and Track magazine by Rob Walker (although it could also have been Paul Frere or Phil Hill -- their other F1 honchos).
Comments? -- BarnacleKB 19:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formula 1 vs Formula One

message: Someone has recently vandalised Template:F1 driver. We need to keep an eye out for these in particular, as ONE change in ONE of the F1 related templates will change ALL articles which use that template. --Mal 01:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep an eye out 

message: I'm starting to wonder whether one reason that so many visitors to the Formula One main article add inconsequential details about the current season is that there is no obvious route from the main page to the current season details.
I've added a link to 2006 Formula One season to the head of the History section, but thought that a link to Current season could be added to the navigation box at the top right of the page, which I assume is part of the Formula One template.
Does anyone agree and does anyone know how it is done? 4u1e 26 April 2006
:Yeh I think it's a good idea. I'll leave it to you to work out whereabouts it should go in the box - edit it here. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation template 

message: I've found the use of wiki links in F1 articles to be very haphazard. If you mention a year in an F1 article, please link to that year's world championship not to the generic year article (link to the generic year from within the year's world championship article insteadO). If you mention a specific race, don't link to the city (I found a link pointing to Monza) but link to that actual race (e.g. 1994 Italian Grand Prix), and link to the city and race track in the race report. Always wiki link the first mention of a driver, team or manufacturer. Don't create red links for shortlived non-notable spinoff operations, or minor team figures who are only notable for their involvement in that team. Thanks. --kingboyk 06:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinks 

message: Since Grand Prix Masters is for ex-F1 drivers only I think it's within Project scope... Please note that the 2006 Qatar race doesn't have a race report. Calling all Mansell fans who have Sky TV! --kingboyk 06:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Grand Prix Masters]] 

message: I was about to put an entry on Talk:Juan Pablo Montoya when I saw that it was part of this project, so I thought I would post here instead….
On the article for Juan Pablo Montoya there are many sections, 2 of which are Juan_Pablo_Montoya#Podiums_and_wins  and Juan_Pablo_Montoya#Complete_F1_Results.  It appears to me that all of the data in the former section is also in the latter.  Is this intentional on the part of the project, or something that the project might consider as a cleanup?    Removing the Podiums and wins would reduce the page length of the article substantially without removing any non-redundant information, I think. --Brian G 22:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I don't think there's any specific project 'policy' on this - I imagine the podiums/wins section was added before the complete results section, but now it's effectively redundant. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 11:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you're right - there's not much consistency on driver or team result presentation anyway, and the new table looks good, so I think you are right to think that the 'podiums & wins' list can go. Probably best to note what you're doing on the article discussion page as well, though. 4u1e 06:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podiums and Wins 

message: In the race report, don't you report some race highlights like incidents, overtaking in the track(not overtaking during other drivers pitting)?
Example:
*Lap 68/70 - M.Schumacher overtaking Raikkonen
--Aleenf1 07:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race Highlights 

message: The conversation above sent me looking at List of Formula One drivers, which I had not really noticed before.  This got me to noticing that there are many more drivers listed here than there are in all the Categories which roll up into :Category:Formula One drivers by nationality.  It looks like there are 2 primary reasons for this: 
#There are 101 drivers who have note 1 (Competed only in Indianapolis 500 events) and only 6 of them are listed in the "drivers by nationality" category.  I assume that it is intentional that these are not listed; do you want the flag removed from the 6 for consistency or added to the other 95?  I'm guessing that you want it removed from the 6.
#There are 65 drivers who have note 2 (Never started a Formula One race) and 25 of them are listed in the "drivers by nationality" category.  I'm not sure it this is intentional or not; do you want the flag removed from the 25 or added to the other 40?
I have all of these noted in a spreadsheet, so I would be happy to make all of the updates, I just need you to tell me how you would like things from a consistency standpoint.  Also, if I do add the drivers to the categories, do you want them removed from the non-F1 categories?  I would not think so for the "note 1's", since F1 was not their primary series of racing, but I will follow whatever the consensus dictates. --Brian G 03:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  F1 Drivers by Nationality 

message: Someone's trying to get this article deleted.  We need to expand this and similar articles and make them more informative to stop people thinking these drivers were total failures, and thus non-notable. Bretonbanquet 21:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have expanded this article, and this nutcase still wants it deleted.  Judging by his user talk page, he's always been lots of trouble, but I'd be grateful if a few people could go over and vote for the AFB article to be kept. Thanks. Bretonbanquet 19:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Just to let you know, "Robertsteadman" has been indefinately blocked so Azdrubal Fontes Bayardo can RIP. On a side note, I think that anyone who has ever even been considered for a test role in a team deserves an article. F1 is the pinnacle of motor sports and the elite few who can get a sniff of the race track deserve recognition. -Aprithvi 07:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Azdrubal Fontes Bayardo]]

message: In case anyone is interesting in voicing an opinion on this topic, either pro or con, the article American Championship Car Racing is currently under review for deletion. --Brian G 03:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Championship Car Racing]] 

message: Im not sure if this already exists. If it doesnt, how about we have a list of ALL grand prix winners. i.e. we just have every winners first name listed. I thought this would be a good idea since there are a limited number of race winners. if the list is too small we can make it all those who have reached podium. Thoughts? Cheers, -Aprithvi 07:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race Winners 

message: What is armco? Reason I ask, whilst adding an infobox to Jochen Rindt, I had the occasion to stumble upon the race report for the 1970 German Grand Prix, which states that "...the race was moved to Hockenheim as this track already had been fitted with armco." OK, I'm a newbie, but what is armco? -slowpokeiv 14:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick Q: 

message: Are you aware of the above effort to list article assessments by way of a bot? Most major WikiProjects are using it now and yours is a noticeable absentee. --kingboyk 14:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index]] 

message: I would have posted this on the article discussion page, but I am inexplicably blocked from editing that one page on the whole of Wikipedia...
This is an argument I'm not sure I want to have, but I think Donnelly is from the UK.  Rightly or wrongly, Northern Ireland is part of the UK and I think he raced under a British licence. Does anyone know anything more?  If not, I'll change it. Bretonbanquet 20:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the 1990 and 1991 F1 guides I remember reading had him with a British flag. --Pc13 11:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion already been had, consensus, to sum up, Union Jack in all cases applicable. (England, N Ireland, Wales and Scotland)-slowpokeiv 19:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Martin Donnelly]]

message: User:The359 has proposed the creation of a Wikiproject for sports car racing. Since many F1 drivers and teams throughout history have taken part in sports car racing, I believe WP:F1 project members might be interest in this. If anyone wants to support this project, please go here: Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects#WikiProject:Sports Car Racing --Pc13 11:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject for Sports Car Racing

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Abu Badali 01:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst: FairuseF1 }} 

message: It's been suggested at WP:RFF that the heading "Notes" used on F1 Race Reports might be better replaced with another title, to avoid confusion with the "Footnotes" heading. I personally agree with this, and feel a more appropriate title should be used. I'm not sure how we'd go about changing all the race reports, and if a bot could perhaps be used to modify them should we decide to change it. Do others agree with a change or is it clear enough as it is. Alexj2002 11:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  F1 Race Report 

message: OK, an American asking for help here: I hear a rumour that the 2005 United States Grand Prix was not aired in full in other countries. (Who could blame them?) As I am in the US of A, I have not the proof required to add this information to the article. (one point of contention blocking this article from FA status.) If someone that was watching the race (or even better, wasn't able to) could please add a referenced comment (something to the effect of that TV's web site apologizing, or something like that) I would appreciate it. Thanks, -slowpokeiv 22:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Denmark, TV 2 aired the entire race. --Fred Bradstadt 05:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Same in Australia. I must say I haven't heard this before – and Bernie has pretty strict contracts with the television stations I think. The USGP this year was shown in Australia an hour before the advertised time because someone stuffed up the time difference and they are actually not allowed to show that race delayed (most other races are shown delayed). – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 10:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In the UK, the race was shown in its entirety, including the podium 'celebrations' and the press conference.--Diniz 12:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: See this link  and particuarly post #570. Post 660 of the same thread said TF1 did not show the race at all.  I can't confirm or deny any of the above but hopefully someone might know where to look. --Jsydave 12:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 United States Grand Farce 

message: Going off of the work of those who created templates for , , , and , I've expanded it to include every tire manufacturer who has participated in Formula 1 except Englebert, simply because I can't find a conclusive color scheme for them.
*I have a nice enamel plate advertisement in my garage for Englebert and the dominating color is yellow and blue Image Englebert...Hektor 15:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tire Manufacturer Templates 

message: Dear all, please take a look at Template talk:Formula One teams#Proposal. Thank you, Mxcatania 13:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template F1 teams