Talk:Baltimore/Archive 1

message: People, people! Please sign and date your posts using four tildes(Davidbober 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sign and date your posts!

message: As of 2005, the population was 641,943, up from 636,251 in 2004.
What is the source of this claim? I can't find it anywhere.
Here is a source.
:That article doesn't say that the population increased to 641,943 in 2005. It says that a revised USCB estimate as of July 1, 2004 was 641,943, which is an increase over the original estimate of 636,251, which was disputed by the city. I don't think the USCB has released any 2005 estimates, yet. --Browncat 06:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 2005, Baltimore is #18 (see List of United States cities by population).  I doubt it's dropped out of the top 25 so quickly (in 2005 #25 had 75,000 fewer people). --Jfruh (talk) 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population up since 2004?

message: The latest (13th Edition) of the Crime City Rankings came out, and Baltimore is now 12th.  Since this article mentions Baltimore being 2nd (in the 12th Edition) it should be updated.
City Rankings - 13th Edition Andywebs 21:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep Rewrite to Neutral point of view instead. Davidbober 23:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Government and Crime

message: This is somewhat trivial, but could someone please add something in the geography section about the shape of the city?  How did it come to be a half-square?  Is there a story similar to that of the formation of Washington, DC that might be interesting to note? -Laikalynx 16:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography

message: "The worst area in terms of crime is the near west side."  I'm not familiar with Baltimore but I am aware of that the East side is considered blighted.  Can someone who knows the area improve the precision or accuracy of that line?  lots of issues  | leave me a message 06:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concentration of crime 

message: I would like some input on the format of the city infobox. Many city pages are using a slightly new format of the infobox, one that includes the city skyline image inside of the infobox. The reasons for this are that mainly, it makes the infobox (and the page) look better, and more professional. The previous infobox format does not have city skyline included within the box itself, yet it is becoming very popular on city pages for a skyline image to appear at the top of the page. This causes the skyline image to be at the top right, with the infobox below it, in may cases with a different width for both the image as well as the infobox. I also think it looks a bit awkward to have the heading, Baltimore, Maryland appear at the top of the infobox, but not at the top of the page. Additionally, some pages that have more text in the opening paragraph statement, include text overflowing between the skyline image and the infobox, which I think looks poor (see Orlando, Florida for an example of this - though this also depends on the width of the monitor, which may be variable among users - still, it's bad form).
I propose the infobox pictured at the right, which includes the skyline at the top of the box, inside. This is currently being used on many pages, including Washington, D.C., Chicago, Illinois, Los Angeles, California, among others). In fact, the LA page had a discussion on their talk page that favored this infobox 3:1 over the old format.
I would like some more input on this format. I attempted to change it previously, yet Boothy443 seems to be engaging in an edit war over this with little opinion, other than that it looks ugly. Dr. Cash 03:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: City infobox format

message: That city is cold. I'm sorry, I just can't take it. Baltimore winters are not for me. I basically don't want to be anywhere above the Mason-Dixon River between December and March.
:Hate to break it to you, but Baltimore is below the Mason-Dixon line (which is not a river).  The Mason-Dixon line is the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland. --Jfruh (talk) 18:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Humid Subtropical?

message: The tone of this article makes it read like a travel brochure. Also, the section about the mayor does not seem objective either. --JetPackRocketBaby 05:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article reads like an advertisement

message: It would make me happy if someone would write something about the prevalence of row houses in Baltimore under "Culture".  As I understand it, a large part of the culture was shaped by the row house and the "stoop" and socializing while cleaning the front steps.
Loodog 17:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree would be something worth mention, rather then sniping about the amout of snow. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 06:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ISTR a Mencken quote (will need to source it) about row houses... something about how every Baltimorean living in a two-storey row house aspires to live in a THREE-storey row house. Davidbober 22:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Row houses 

message: I was wondering whether the recent changes from City to Poly were some rivalry/edit war heating up, or whether we've long had some incorrect info here, or whether we're just seeing a change from one claim to another based on someone else's nth-hand info. So for the record, it appears HLMencken did indeed go to Poly. DMacks 02:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, there's been an amusing-to-watch slow-mo revert war over whether Poly or City is the "flagship" school of the Baltimore public school system.  It's not as hilarious as the war over the city's climate, but it's good fun.  How about we just list both of them? ---Jfruh (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poly vs City 

message: Is Baltimore really called "Crane City, U.S.A."? I've never heard anyone call it that.
:Me neither, although if somebody could cite a source that might help. Davidbober 23:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Crane City, U.S.A."? 

message: Nobody has mention Baltimore's popular Club Music. It's an art native to baltimore, that should definitly be researched added in Culture.
: Is club music native to Baltimore in particular? Davidbober 23:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''''''== Club Music =='''''' 

message: Would anybody object to the removal of the section on baltimore hosting the miss usa pageant in the years 2005 and 2006?  This seems insignifigant to the extreme and its inclusion in this article is actually a tad bit embarrassing.
: Keep While it could be considered embarassing by some city residents, it is factual. Taken to its logical conclusion, if we delete everything considered embarassing to cities (crime figures, etc.) then we'd be eliminating facts from Wikipedia.  Davidbober 23:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's not all that important.  I don't object to it being included, but it doesn't deserve a point heading of it's own. (Zms676 14:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miss USA?! 

message: There is an inconsistency wrt the population in 2005. In the infobox, I read:
Population
City (2005) 635,815
But in the text at the top of the article, it is written "As of 2005, the population was 641,943 [...]"
Moreover, in Section 6 (Demographics), it is written:
*1950 - 949,708
* ...
*2000 - 651,154
*2005 - 635,815
while the text at the top reads "[...] but higher than the century-long low of 636,251 in 2000." The same number is found in Section 1 (History). But in Sect.1, the 1950 value is consistent with the table of Sect.6. However, no reference is given in Sect.1 and intro to the figures of 2000, 2004 and 2005. I found the number 636,251 in a webpage (Maryland Data Sort By Regional Council), but it is associated to the date 2004. According to this document, 636,251 is a "2004 ESTIMATE". This website says that 636,251 is the population in 2005. SkyscraperPage.com provides the number 636,251 as the current population of Baltimore. Several other websites use the number 636,251 as an indicator of current population, but it is sometimes written "estimated population in 2004". The conclusion of my research is: 636,251 is definitely not the population of 2000. Moreoer, the figures of Sect.1 and intro are based on estimations rather than sensus. Additionally, the population tends to decrease since sixties and it has not "bottommed out" in 2000.
In this article, the figures from the table of Sect.6 are consistently used in the text of Sect.6. These particular figures correspond to those found in the Top 50 Cities in the U.S. by Population and Rank, which reproduces figures from U.S. Census Bureau. In my opinion, these values are more reliable than those of Sect.1 and intro.
--Earendel 13:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discrepency may be because the at some point in the first half of the 2000s the city got the census bureau to revise one of its population estimates (remember, the figures from years not ending in zero are estimates, not the "actual enumeration" of the decennial census).  I think the 2004 population estimate was revised upwards in late 2005.  Thus, there are probably two different figures for the city's 2004 pop. floating around out there, one of which was released in 2005. --Jfruh (talk) 15:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population in 2005? 

message: :1. Well written? Fail
:2. Factually accurate? Fail
:3. Broad in coverage? Fail
:4. Neutral point of view? Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images? Fail
Additional comments :
* Fix the tag of these images :Image:Balt. Battle Monument 1a.jpgFIXED, :Image:Washington Monument, 1849, from Federal Hill 1a.jpgFIXED, :Image:Balt. Fire 1904 - West from Pratt and Gay Streets 3a.jpgFIXED, :Image:Balt. Fire 1904 - West from Pratt and Gay Streets 1906, 2 years later a.jpgFIXED. This image : :Image:NationalBohemianCoaster.gif needs a fair use rationaleFIXED.
* The population is given too much emphasis in the Lead section : see As of 2005, the population was 641,943, down slightly from 643,304 in 2004, but higher than the century-long low of 636,251 in 2000. The Baltimore–Towson metropolitan area, as of 2004, was estimated to have a population of 2.6 million. and After New York City, Baltimore was the second city in the United States to reach a population of 100,000, (followed by New Orleans, Philadelphia, Boston). Baltimore was the second largest city in the nation until 1870, when it was surpassed by Philadelphia. Baltimore remained one of the 10 largest cities in the United States from 1790 until about 1970. The city and metropolitan area currently rank in the top 20 in terms of population. FIXED
* The previous point makes the lead not comply with WP:LEAD.FIXED
* There is no general reference which lets the reader with no background information and the reviewer with no material to cross- or double-check evidences. This cannot be acceptable for GA material as many points would then become original research as no source is cited for the material used.
*:Just an example of that : The relatively shorter distance between Baltimore and the Caribbean colonies allowed swift transport and minimized the spoilage of flour.
*:There are more examples.
*: In Culture there are more examples.
* Inline citations are concentrated in the Crime subsection and do not represent the totality of the material present in the article, more are needed.
* Paragraph starting with In the early part of the 21st century, Baltimore is undergoing... changes the verb tense and goes into present which is somewhat clashing with the rest of the section.FIXED
* In Law and government could we have the reasons behind the fact that the city is considered to be a county or the time when it became one?
* In City Crime Rankings (12th Edition) ranks Baltimore second only to Detroit among the most dangerous American cities over 500,000 in population. is it possible to know out of how many towns (for not many are over 500k people)?Is this really necessary?  Other good articles don't include this
* Culture section is too huge compared to the rest of the article (make a subarticle and keep only the best).FIXED (made it an article by itself and referencesd it)
* Expansion of Neighborhoods would be appreciated. Just situating the city is already a plus.FIXED
* Education shouldn't only be listing the schools/universities/colleges but giving facts about its quality or its standards or its history.
* Same as previous point for the Media, Museums and attractions, Sports teams sections.
* Baltimore in fiction should be prose and not bullet point (IMO, it should be removed as it isn't notable trivia).FIXED, moved to it's own section
In light of such a body of work to do, I cannot pass this article. Please feel free to contact me to have more insights, comments or to discuss certain aspects. Come back to GAC when the article is improved.
Lincher 01:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA failed

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. 
:This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Baltimroe instead of Baltimore, Maryland, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

message: This is confusing.  Why not give a date? All three are Democrats; a Republican has not represented a significant portion of Baltimore since Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr. stepped down from the 2nd Congressional District seat to run for governor — a position he won by defeating Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 
:The whole thing was really more info than needed, especially now, four years after the fact.  I trimmed this part down. --Jfruh (talk) 19:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify republican congressman? 

message: NPOV Issue: "One of Baltimore's greatest moments occurred..."
Tagged "History" section. Apollosfire 19:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I’m glad to see the culture information redirected to its own article and paired down to a bare essential within the main article.  Unfortunately, the culture section within the main article is now quite incorrect.  “some point out that such uniqueness in dialect is found (at least in part) throughout Maryland and that, furthermore, the name of this dialect should reflect this”  No, actually.  The further away one gets from the city itself, this “dialect” dissipates.  There is no such thing as a maryland accent.  The accents on the eastern shore, washington suburbs and within the appalachians (geographically and population wise, more than half of the state) are not even related to the accents of the central part of the state (which itself does actually share some elements with the baltimorean accent), and the accent becomes exponentially more prevalent within the city and the working class inlaying suburbs populated by working class population shifts out of the city within the past fifty years.  The accent itself is distinctively baltimorean, rather than maryland in general.  The accent is not “(at least in part)” found throughout the state.  It is found, in part, in areas within in 30 miles of the city proper, with the city itself being the focal point. 
It is as though the author of the new culture section had a bone to pick with the notion of the previous wording, and the new writing betrays this.  This is no more objective than the previous section, and arguably less correct.
Also, I am unsure as to why Little Italy would be granted a mention in this “paired down” section over all the other distinct districts within the city, other than to mention Nancy Pelosi; which itself doesn’t seem particularly relevant to baltimore’s overall culture to warrant a mention in this two paragraph section.  Yes, this is big news this week (01/05/07), but will be quickly forgotten.  Also, the mention of “The” Washington Monument, rather than “A” Washington Monument, or “Baltimore’s” Washington Monument could be quite confusing to people more familiar with another Washington Monument forty miles away.
A new culture section, roughly the same size as the present one, should be completely rewritten.  216.133.97.133 05:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Off-loading from culture section

message: I actually think a few neutral but interesting summary grafs on the city's culture would be useful on the main page--so I typed in a few myself.  Edit away if you don't like them, of course.  Based on some of the discussion here, I guess some folks may be uncomfortable with any discussion of the local dialect.  I defer to the moderators.
Also, I tried not to make the text read like a tourist brochure.  However, it does read pretty "positive."  After that huge and rather disturbing (though accurate) section on crime, it seemed like we could use a calmer segue into the actual culture of the city.  After all, people really do live pretty happily in Baltimore (including me for most of my life), and it's a pretty attractive town, with affordable housing prices, too...
FYI, I think the separate page on the city's culture is terrific, and the pictures are great!  You get a feel for the city that text just can't provide.  I didn't touch it, I'm just complimenting it.
I did add a graf in the History section, right after the War of 1812, talking about how the city really became important after the National Road and the B&O Railroad were built.
I also slipped in, right at the top, a little phrase indicating that Baltimore's metro area was not the third largest in the northeast, that it was outpaced by Boston and DC.  It seemed the right thing to do after the statement that the "city" was the third largest after NYC and Philly.
This Baltimore page is getting better all the time, and I hope I have not hindered that.  Wikipedia is cool.
Jlevy 06:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New grafs I added; edit away

message: Generall speaking...
Is Baltimore an expensive place to live?Debit Card 20:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expensive??? 

message: Does anyone else think that the skyline picture is below-par? You can barely make out the buildings of downtown. Most other city articles on Wikipedia contain downtown skyline views. I have a few pictures I can contribute if there is enough support to change the picture. Irteagle102704 01:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Skyline Picture

message: I think this one is pretty unappealing.  The other at least showed the harbor, if from a great height.  This one is mostly expressway and rooftops...  (I'll look around on the Web for a good shot with no copyright problems, but I thought the other one was OK.)
I myself, prefer the other picture from the expressway, It showed the skyline, much better than either of the other two, on neither of which you can see the skyline clearly. Most other city pages on Wikipedia have an image that  was not taken from far away from the downtown center. Next time I go to Baltimore though, I will be taking many pics, for the mean time I'm changing it back. Irteagle102704 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we go back to the other skyline picture?

message: Hey everybody. I'm the student of Moscow State University (Department of foreign countries), Russia, and i'm on my graduation work at present. This sience work is dedicated to american cities revitalization and redevelopment. Also it is tightly connected with Baltimore. The main target is to learn the ways of revitalization in Baltimore, Oakland, Pittsburgh etc.
So, dear Baltimorers or someone who interests in it, could you please describe me the way of redevelopment in your city? The main point for me is to know all about measurement that were made. When exactly did it begin? What were the steps to revitalize the city? Was the downtown take down and rebuild? Were the citizens settled apart? I'll appreciate very much for any detailed information.
Any kind of information would be very valuable for me! Thank you. Simon Freydlin Freydlins 18:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore revitalization investigation 

message: I am not taking on another article at the time, but in a quick check I didn't see any reference to the entire "BELIEVE" campaign that is posted on all city vehicles and buildings (and followed by some people having personal bumper stickers with ", hon" appended). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 17:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A short paragraph about this campaign is now appended to the article's Crime section. --Adavidb 03:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BELIEVE, hon 

message: I've always been taught that Philadelphia was the largest city until New York became bigger in the early 20th century or thereabouts and that Baltimore more or less followed the lead of Philadelphia in many areas.  I think all the population statistics floating around are suspect because I've read many things pre and post Revolution where this is pretty much assumed.  My google search for "1830 census" brought me to http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/1830a-01.pdf where this shows Philly to be larger than Balto but smaller than NY.  But the main point of the link I show here is that it doesn't really jibe with the 1830 census link of this article (even considering the surrounding county).  So I'm somewhat confused by all the population statistics thrown around in this article.  Read pretty much anything written before the 20th century that references the population issue and Philly is always assumed to be largest city and the initial destination for most immigrants.  There should probably be some blurb to point out the point I make here.  --Blake 69.139.238.47 20:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, you think the numbers derived from actual census data are suspect because they don't jibe with what you believe?  For actual census numbers in an easy-to-read form, see: Largest Cities in the United States by Population by Decade.  Part of the issue is that Philadelphia wasn't consolidated into its current boundries until 1854; before that, the actual city of Philadelphia only consisted of modern-day Center City.  Northern Liberties and Southwark, both parts of Philadelphia today, were separate cities then, and both were in the top ten list of cities for the first two censuses.  --Jfruh (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't Philadelphia always the largest city until the 20th century? 

message: "Baltimore has been a Democratic stronghold for over 150 years, with Democrats dominating every level of government."
This simply is not true. Aside from the obvious Republican mayors we have had over time, during the 1850s the government was strongly dominated by the American or "Know-Nothing" party. The city was overrun and controlled by violent political neighborhood gangs which took complete "responsibility" for managing voting in their wards. It's hard to even call it voter fraud because nothing resembling non-fraud took place. Anyway... someone should help the history on this one. If no one else, I'll see what I can do. --Apostlemep12 13:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  19th Century Political History 

message: One thing outsiders quickly notice is that the locals refer to their city as "Bawlmer" or "Ballmer," dropping with the "t" for the most part.
As a Baltimore native myself, I can attest that this is sort of a myth. While there are people here who say "Bawlmer," the more common pronunciation I hear sounds something like "Baldimer," the "t" hardening into a "d" sound. This has been my personal observation; I can't back it up with research, so I'll refrain from changing the article. marbeh raglaim 22:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore accent 

message: What kind of source is sufficient to support inclusion of "Bodymore" as a city nickname? I reverted its most recent addition, leading to commentary by its contributor on my talk page. Let's get some wider consensus here rather than just my private response to him. DMacks 05:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I support your revert for the reasons you stated.  "Bodymore" is a nickname for the city in the television series, without evidence that it is prominently used in reality. —Adavidb 12:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be a TV phenomenon; as noted above, something that sounds like "Baldimer" is the prevalent pronunciation, and this sounds like a corruption (if that's possible) or an exaggeration of the usual pronunciation.  At the same time, new things pop up; Charm City was coined in the 1980's, I believe ironically, by radio jocks.   Wombatcat 12:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have never seen the Wire, I am sure there may be one or two others who havn't as well; so the nickname "Bodymore" is totally unfamiliar.  The other nicknames in the article are very recognizable. I remember when it was called the "Monumental City" by local cabbies and porters who worked on trains in the northeast corridor.Marylandstater 00:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: As a native Baltimorean, I have heard Bodymore and Murdaland quite often. (Not just since the Wire came on) Josephabradshaw 08:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bodymore" as nickname 

message: Why is there no mention of the writer and director John Waters?  He has put Baltimore on the map (whether you like his films or not).  He deserves at least a mention.
User:Alex Davis 17 July 2007
Sorry dont know how to sign and date properly!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.224.209 (talk • contribs) 14:23, July 17, 2007 (UTC)
:To sign and date, simply end with four tilde (~) characters.  Waters is mentioned in at least two subarticles, Culture of Baltimore and Baltimore in Fiction.  I added a sentence about him at the end of the Culture section. —Adavidb 22:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Waters

message: To fill a surprising gap, I have added some very basic information on a couple of the main performing arts groups in the city. Feel free to expand and otherwise fix! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performing arts 

message: I have always understood that the City of Baltimore is not in a county. So how can it be a county seat? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Baltimore is an independent city. Here's the response to this question that I've provided to another person on the Counties of Maryland talk page. Although I was following how the Census Bureau treats Baltimore for administrative purposes, perhaps I should remove the name of Baltimore City from the template, since its inclusion seems to create some confusion. But...on second thought, here's how the State of Maryland lists "Baltimore City" on its Local governments: Counties page. 
Taken from the text on this same page: "Twenty-three counties and Baltimore City make up the twenty-four main local jurisdictions found in Maryland. Baltimore City, although a municipality, has been considered on a par with county jurisdictions since the adoption of the Maryland Constitution of 1851." →Lwalt ♦ talk 20:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Parallel discussion going on on Template talk:County Seats of Maryland, probably best to keep all talk on this subject over there... --Jfruh (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  County seat 

message: I've been watching a lot of Ace of Cake lately & it seems that every episode has a couple of bar/bat-mitzva cakes, I hadn't realized that Baltimore had a large Jewish population. Am I reading too much into a TV show? 24.124.29.130 08:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you are not! Baltimore has a substantial Jewish population and has had for a very long time. Barry Levinson's Avalon & Liberty Heights both go into this a good deal as I recall (haven't seen them in years, though); Levinson himself is from Baltimore. Joseph Meyerhoff is another good example of the Jewish community and its impact on the city. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 12:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that most of the city's historic Jewish population has in recent decades migrated to northwestern Baltimore County (and thus strictly speaking outside the purview of this article, though obviously close enough to employ Duff and the Ace of Cakes crew!).  The city's traditional Jewish strongholds of Reservoir Hill and Corned Beef Row have very little Jewish presence left today.  There are still Jews in the city, obviously, me being one of them, but for a distinctive Jewish city neighborhood, all you really have left is the part of Pikesville inside the city limits, I think, though there's also a not insignificant Orthodox community in Mt. Washington. --Jfruh (talk) 22:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore's Jewish population? 

message: I've proposed a Baltimore WikiProject over at WPMD, if anyone is interested in helping to create and maintain it, let me know there.-Jeff (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an update to my previous comment, I've started a Baltimore task force of WikiProject Maryland at WP:WPMD/BAL.-Jeff (talk) 04:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject 

message: The article should explain where the epithet "Charm City" comes from. Badagnani (talk) 04:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source citation with the "Charm City" nickname in the Infobox provides plenty of explanation and links for further information. —Adavidb 13:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Charm City" 

message: Substituted at 14:19, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Surely there should be a section about Baltimore's greatest culinary achievement: lake trout. I think this article has been whitewashed, removing all references to lake trout. Lake trout is an important part of Baltimore history and a staple of Baltimore  cuisine and commerce. My suspicion is that the Crab Fisherman's Consortium (CFuC) has intentionally altered this article to remove any reference to its only major competitor in the Maryland seafood industry. Can we have a poll on whether lake trout should be in the article's intro?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.27.36 (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was born in Baltimore and lived there most of my life..I`ve never heard anything about lake trout there..my guess is you own a restaurant and are trying to promote it Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I assure you I wasn`t lying..I certainty meant no disrespect..I do seem to recall seeing it advertised in the city but I wasn`t aware it was a cultural icon..I guess what has me confused is I`m pretty sure there are no native fresh water trout left in the Baltimore area although there are stocked trout which I doubt end up in eating establishments...they must come from somewhere else.  As for crabs, personally I don`t associate them with Maryland as I get mine in North Carolina..the real Baltimore seafood delicacy was oysters but the big ones were fished out years ago. 24.240.171.194 (talk) 21:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Lying is an intentional act of deception which is not the same thing as making a factional mistake or error..I make it a point to try to know what I`m talking about before I speak..studying history one thing I`ve learned is place names don`t change..Herring Run was once a trout stream...I assure you that was a long time ago. 75.139.90.1 (talk) 05:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake Trout?

message: Is it worthwhile to also note that the name also means "Baltic Sea" in Russian? I am thus casting doubts whether the original name history (Baltimore, County Cork) is correct. Alepik (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Baltimore is named after the British family that held the title Baron Baltimore; these were the first proprietors of the Maryland colony.  Their title in turn dervied from the city in Ireland.  This is all very well documented; I'm not sure why you would doubt it. --Jfruh (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: 'lord' is a generic term for all the british peerage, barons to dukes inclusive. thus, he might have been addressed as baron, or 'my lord'.Toyokuni3 (talk) 16:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

text: As the article states, it is only used sometimes, when a clear distinction from the county is desired. —Adavidb 13:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I live in Baltimore and have for five years and I hear the term used all the time.  You'd use to distinguish between the city and the county, but in that context it's quite common. --Jfruh (talk) 14:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The name/history

message: I have tried to add a Google Earth model of Baltimore City Hall but the "Wiki Police" keep reporting it as spam. Can someone instruct me on how to add this model without it being reported as spam? Should I create a new page specifically about Baltimore City Hall? Can I host the model on Wkipedia somehow so there is not a link back to my website to avoid the spam violation? It is also hosted on the 3D warehouse...should I link it from there? I cant imagine that 3D models are not wanted on Wikipedia.
Baltimore City Hall at Google 3D Warehouse  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3Doogle (talk • contribs) 22:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: site's been taken down. if this weren't a talk page i would have just removed this as a dead link.Toyokuni3 (talk) 03:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: see your talk ccwaters (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Earth Model

message: Would be nice to update the further information link so it goes to Baltimore Architecture, rather than Baltimore Neighborhoods - - is there such a page?... (for architecture) --Teda13 (talk) 02:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: mention definitely needs to be made of the german influence in the residential architecture of b'more, AND mention should be made in the body of the article (not just the 'see also') of the famous(infamous?) formstone of east b'more, hamden, etc.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Architecture

message: there is debate on the Baltimore, County Cork page as to whether it is correctly 'baile an' or 'baile na'. an is the definite article, while na is the preposition 'of'. na would seem to me more liokely correct. however, the reference cited is to place names in northern ireland , where cork very definitely is not.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the irish derivation of the name IS pertinent, and its deletion will be reverted every time.Toyokuni3 (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of name

message: Hi all. I just wanted to let you guys know that I plan on starting a rather significant overhaul of the article to try and get it up to WP:GA standards. I will be taking the following actions:
#Removing dubious uncited information and trying to find references for other facts. Anywhere a source is needed I will either add a  tag. If you happen to find a WP:RELIABLE source for that information, please provide it! To this end, please do not be offended if I remove information from the page that you believe should be included: nothing is gone forever and can always be re-added later with a proper source.
#Cleaning up lead to match WP:LEAD
#Moving long sections (e.g. History) into their own dedicated sub-articles and then revising down the information left on the main page per WP:SUMMARY
#Transform lists into prose form, and creating sub-lists for other information that is unneeded on the main page (radio and TV stations, former sports team, etc.)
#Editing sections to match the recommendations of WP:USCITY
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Please feel free to help make changes, or provide your comments here. If you do plan on helping with the overall. I ask that you please use the Sandbox, and make edits to particular sections only in order to reduce the chances of encountering edit conflicts. Thank you for your help. Best, epicAdam (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Mobtown" (usually written closed up) is a still a fairly well known nickname, usually used in a derogatory or ironic sense these days, but probably recognized by most Baltimoreans.  Yes, I'm a local and am basing this on my own personal experience (i.e. it's Original Research, not a Reliable Source), but I would just urge you not to toss that one out of hand like the others you list, which I think are genuinely moribund.  To provide a few examples of contemporary use, a pretty well known local blog, the Mobtown Shank, uses the name, as does the Baltimore City Paper's Mobtown Beat column. --Jfruh (talk) 03:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that. My internet connection went out between making that change and posting a correction, which should be up now. I do like to find references for all "hard facts" (e.g. dates, numbers, statistics) even if they may be uncontroversial, since it greatly aids readers who use Wikipedia as a research tool. I took out those particular fact tags as I am lining up sources. I'll be continuing to work on the article section by section in my personal sandbox so any changes I make will typically come in batches from now on as I find proper sources and work them into the text. Best, epicAdam (talk) 01:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltimore overhaul

message: Can we decide on which nicknames are actually going to remain in the infobox? Of the ones listed, I think "Charm City" is really the only one that is still in use; "Mob Town", "The City of Firsts", "Monument Town" are all rather archaic. "B-more" and "B-town" aren't really nicknames as much as they are abbreviations. As for the mottos, there is typically only one official motto designated by the local legislature. "The Greatest City in America" and "Get On It" aren't mottos as much as they are advertising slogans for tourists. There has to be a decision as to which names are actually listed in this article.
"The City that Reads" was on all the park benches for a while but I don't think it took.
:"Mobtown" (usually written closed up) is a still a fairly well known nickname, usually used in a derogatory or ironic sense these days, but probably recognized by most Baltimoreans.  Yes, I'm a local and am basing this on my own personal experience (i.e. it's Original Research, not a Reliable Source), but I would just urge you not to toss that one out of hand like the others you list, which I think are genuinely moribund.  To provide a few examples of contemporary use, a pretty well known local blog, the Mobtown Shank, uses the name, as does the Baltimore City Paper's Mobtown Beat column. --Jfruh (talk) 03:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames

message: You removed a cite and then placed a  on a sentence that is convoluted (has several ideas) but that seems neither controversial nor relevant to this article (and if true is surely resolved on the pages of the people linked). What specific item there needs sourcing? DMacks (talk) 00:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that. My internet connection went out between making that change and posting a correction, which should be up now. I do like to find references for all "hard facts" (e.g. dates, numbers, statistics) even if they may be uncontroversial, since it greatly aids readers who use Wikipedia as a research tool. I took out those particular fact tags as I am lining up sources. I'll be continuing to work on the article section by section in my personal sandbox so any changes I make will typically come in batches from now on as I find proper sources and work them into the text. Best, epicAdam (talk) 01:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: i really don't think anne arundel community college belongs in the list. anne arundel county (other than perhaps glen burnie, brooklyn and linthicum) feels every bit as much allegiance (rightly or wrongly) with metro dc. moreover, you don't list aa county as a contiguous suburb. further, if you're going to include aacc, then why not the naval academy and mcdaniel(in carroll county, which borders on baltimore county). maybe even hood. just not part of baltimore. comments?Toyokuni3 (talk) 20:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in agreement that AACC doesn't belong with this article. —ADavidB 06:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

text: While I agree that AACC should not be on the page - don't underestimate Anne Arundel County's allegiance to the city.  You would be surprised at how connected the population along Route 2 (north of annapolis) is to Baltimore city - it's the cultural center for all of central Maryland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.22.116 (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: A squared C squared

message: There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Baltimore, Maryland would be moved to Baltimore. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Summary of changes:
* added flag
* added pushpin map to better illustrate Baltimore's geographic position in a wider context.
* added city council members, city delegation, and congressmen - something I saw at the Sanfrancisco page.
* added demonym.
* added named for.
* corrected incorporation year.
* corrected area per U.S. Census Density Using Land Area.
* corrected coord data: removed seconds because the were overly precise, removed geodata template redundant with coord in Infobox, and switch from city to city(pop).
* corrected population data: Metro=CBSA and Urban=MSA. Compare say San Jose and Oakland which are in the same CBSA but separate MSAs. Updated MSA and CBSA to 2007.
GcSwRhIc (talk) 18:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox update

message: I have downgraded Baltimore's WikiProject Cities Assessment because the article contains a lot of irrelevant material and requires substantial cleanup, especially in finding citations. I will try to find references for the uncited material in this article wherever possible. However, per Wikipedia:Verifiability, I will go through and purge the article of "pseudo information" for any material I cannot verify. Additional editors' help in finding appropriate references would be much appreciated. Best, epicAdam(talk) 18:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced material

message: Can someone tell me what the island in the mouth of Baltimore harbor is, just south of the I-695 bridge is?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.92.82 (talk) 04:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "island" you're referring to is Fort Carroll. (You can find information like that by using Google Earth and checking Wikipedia under Geographic Web in the layers section of the sidebar.) DAK4Blizzard (talk) 07:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Island South of I-695 Bridge

message: Why are white americans spoken about first in the part about the population? It looks odd whites 34% blacks 64%, natives 0.1% etc...is there a logical reason for this? vap (talk) 20:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good point..the answer is the usual cultural bias which it would be nice if Wikipedia could rise above..I`m caucasian btw not that it should matter. 24.240.171.194 (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: The article currently includes the following:
:Prior to 1969, some considered Baltimore and its suburbs to be particularly underrepresented in the Maryland General Assembly, while rural areas were heavily overrepresented. Since Baker v. Carr in 1962, Baltimore and its suburbs account for a substantial majority of seats in the state legislature; this has caused some to argue that rural areas are now underrepresented. Baltimore's steady loss of population, however, has resulted in a loss of seats in the Maryland General Assembly. Since 1980, Baltimore has lost four senators from the 47-member Maryland State Senate  and twelve delegates from the 141-member Maryland House of Delegates.
Besides the references to the mysterious "some," the paragraph presupposes that everyone in Maryland lives in either the rural areas or Baltimore and its suburbs.  We are aware, aren't we, that the county that is now the state's most populous political subdivision is neither?  75.196.85.28 (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltimore delegation to General Assembly

message: Can't we get a better picture of the mayor? Say, one that does not involve a missing button on her blouse revealing her BRA? Do not delete this. The picture up at present is disrespectful and someone has to have a better one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.249.85 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been waiting for two years at least since someone first mentioned this, and nobody has volunteered to give us one. Sad. DMacks (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Mayor Rawlings-Blake

message: Look at this You Tube-clip first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haSywRjAyBg&feature=related
Note: 60.000 junkies out of 600.000 citizens (i.e. 10%) is clearly wrong. No city on earth could have coped with that. But what they mean is probably 60.000 out of 2.7 mill. in the larger Baltimore-area. That over 2% and is still an extremely high number.
While it's always important to focus on the positive things first and foremost, one must never shy away from the truth. And the truth is that Baltimore is having a serious heroin problem. You shouldn't waste an awful lot of space writing about it. But one or two sentences in such a long article, would strangely as it sounds improve it. Help the reader to understand for example why the crime rate is constant high due to a large user population, no matter what the police do. Please don't use dramatic words like "heroin capital of the usa" either, as these things goes up and down other cities could pass Baltimore. I know that this is double standards, but the articles must always of the highest standards. While this is just a discussion page with exchangement of opinions. 
Stein S., Oslo
PS. Was a little surprised that heroin wasn't mentioned in connection with The Wire either. The whole TV-series centers around this drug, and NOT crime in general.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.100.54 (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Heroin capital of the USA ?

message: I propose to change the night panorama image from :File:Bmore-Skyline1.jpg to :File:Baltimore Inner Harbor Skyline Night Panorama.jpg --Jovian Eye talk 12:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm opposed to it. The new photo's center of focus is on Rash Field which distracts the viewer as well as putting the actual skyline out of focus. The existing photo is strictly skyline and has a greater effect. IMHO. GcSwRhIc (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to change night panroama image 

message: I propose to remove the information about Baltimore being the "largest independent city in the United States." First off, the claim is not cited to a reliable source. Second, it's a distinction that's both meaningless and misleading, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the structure of local governments. Being the largest of a handful of cities doesn't really convey any information to the user; it's like saying that Pennsylvania is the largest commonwealth in the United States, it may be true but inconsequential. Best, epicAdam(talk) 06:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent City 

message: How else are you supposed to say "to" and "do" other than "tew" and "dew"? I am from Baltimore and i don't understand why they put that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.136.73 (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this to/do sentence from the article.  Its claim was not supported by the accompanying cited source or the Baltimore dialect article.  A guess is that the "eh" sound that prefixes an "oh" sound in the dialect was also thought to precede "oo" sounds. —ADavidB 04:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Local dialect

message: Seems quaint to just go up to the 20th Century.William (The Bill) Blackstone (talk) 18:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: What about the 21st Century

message: Please talk about this with the detail and concern it deserves, including the fact that West Baltimore place are some of the most violent in America.
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwaggawwagga (talk • contribs) 20:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about the city so on the contrary, we actually need to prevent it from becoming dominated by the Freddie Gray information WP:RECENTISM. ― Padenton|✉   20:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pretty significant riot.  I think that 2-3 sentences, something along the lines of how the riots in Los Angeles were handled in that article would be appropriate. Onel5969 (talk) 21:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a specific page for West Baltimore where concerns for the area can be voiced?  The city as a whole is in trouble, but West Baltimore is moreso in trouble because of the events, and 2-3 sentences don't really cover an event that is destroying an entire community.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C03D:62B0:805C:94E8:16B2:BE1B (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, not a specific article about West Baltimore as its own separate entity.  There is a List of Baltimore neighborhoods, and several of those have their own articles.  Onel5969 (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freddie Gray Protests 

message: Moderated discussion of issues with this article is being started at the dispute resolution noticeboard.  Any editor here is welcome to participate, either to add comments or to become a party to the discussion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moderated Discussion 

message: The ground rent and the rowhouse are very much linked in Baltimore City.  It made homeownership much more affordable:  The buyer paid for the structure only, then a small sum annually for the use of the land.  I don't have formal sources, though you can still see ads asking to buy up ground rents in the back pages of the local newspaper.  I think it should be included as part of the city's history, and, though not unique, certainly unusual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.183.2.208 (talk) 07:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ground rents and rowhouses 

message: This has been discussed before in the talk page...Towson is not it Baltimore it is in Baltimore County..someone please remove it from the article..on a side note somewhere in the article it should say that the county line had been North Avenue historically...it may be there but I haven`t read it yet...it was changed after the Civil War I believe to where it is now which is basically Walker Avenue and York Road. 75.139.90.1 (talk) 06:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towson University 

message: Was Baltimore ever known as Valdimor? I came across this image which noted Valdimor as the site of the 1831 Anti-Masonic Party convention. For the record, it was [] in Baltimore. A quick Google search revealed no other references. --Ratha K (talk) 23:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To whoever left the comment above: The only references I can find on google to Valdimor were related to that picture. Sometimes it's in quotes which makes me think it was a nickname, maybe something Mason/anti-Mason related, or a person's nickname. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has more information. PermStrump(talk) 18:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, forgot to sign my original comment above. Fyi, it is apparently a meme made by pro-Masonic political protesters (second paragraph). --Ratha K (talk) 23:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valdimor 

message: I just made a lot of changes in the neighborhood section because it sounded like a tourism ad with some racism mixed in, the vast majority unsourced. I'm happy to answer specific questions if anyone has them PermStrump(talk) 09:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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