Talk:Tố Hữu

message: What is the etymology of "Tố Hữu"? Badagnani 00:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's my take on the name (please don't take this seriously, it's meant to be a joke): 愬友. DHN 00:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Accuse. DHN 00:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it sounds funny, "Tố" means element, distinct part of a whole (nguyên tố, thành tố, yếu tố ...), "Hữu" means have, contain, exist, "Tố Hữu" means something that belongs to one's nature, implies: uprightness, will, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.244.41 (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, i don't know how to write the Han Tu :(, but "Tố" and "Hữu" are very common in Sino-Vietnamese words. Vinataba (talk) 03:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fist character is 素 here  and here  Vinataba (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm null at Chinese and literature, but when he was young, in one of his poems, he said:
roughly translated as:
That may give a clue to his name, sorry for my terrible English :( 
Vinataba (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I will do a title research, but AFAIK it's rather a symbol, a mountain in paradise, than a real mountain, since Thiên Thai appears in many fairy tales. Thiên mean sky, heaven, god, Thai means towers, platform (?) in Sino-Vietnamese. Perhaps, there is already an article about Thiên Thai mountain in Chinese Wiki. Nevertheless, i know a mountain in Bac Ninh called Thiên Thai, in a famous folklore song Quan họ "Trèo lên trái núi Thiên Thai" - "Climbing the Thien Thai mountain" Vinataba (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the article in Vietnam Wiki  there are two mountains, one in China, one in Vietnam called Thien Thai. Vinataba (talk) 06:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  Yes, in English, the mountain in China is called Tiantai Vinataba (talk) 06:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks like the "old friend" meaning wins.  And it's an actual word in Chinese! DHN (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of Tố Hữu

message: Need to get the meaning of his name, which can probably be found in a book (written in Sino-Vietnamese characters) that comprises his hagiography. Badagnani (talk) 07:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the "old friend" meaning wins.  And it's an actual word in Chinese! DHN (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Print source needed

message: Sholokhov Opinion and style in creating is very important for an artist. May be we should show Tố Hữu's ones for people in order they can understand more of him.  —Preceding comment was added at 07:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is English Wikipedia, so a very long text in Vietnamese isn't good to include, especially without an English translation. Badagnani (talk) 07:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion and style of Tố Hữu 

message: Most of his work deal with the communist party, the communist world, and important communist figures.  One poem, "Đời đời nhớ Ông" [Forever commemorating you], piteously bemoaning the death of Joseph Stalin ("Stalin! Stalin!/How I love you! When I was learning to speak/my first word was Stalin", "Yesterday I heard the loudspeakers in the fields/The [news from the] loudspeaker tore my guts tremendously", "Love of father, mother, husband/and self is only one, while my love for you is ten") is rarely reprinted in Vietnam today. DHN (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At that time (1953), he only knew that Stalin was a hero who liberated many contries from the Nazi. He was totally naive. Up to now, many of his poetries have been admired by many people in Vietnam and considered the masterpieces of L%E1%BB%A5c_b%C3%A1t form.  Saying "Most of his work deal with the communist party, the communist world, and important communist figures" is such an lie, infact, they are considered something like Socialist realism. Shame on the losers!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcanbiet (talk • contribs) 23:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that socialist realism is not communistic?  Can you name one of his work that has nothing to do with socialist life? DHN (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Socialist realism is not only about "the communist party, the communist world, and important communist figures" but (and more important part) about the life of normal people: workers, farmers, soldiers, etc. There is nothing wrong with the authors whose works are socialist realism, quite a few of their works have real value and have still been appicitated today. It is ridiculous and shameful that some people always cite the only small-and-naive poem of To Huu just to lower the value of the whole work of him. For instance, it's easy to name some of the famous poems by To Huu which just talk about the life of normal people, if you were a secondary student in Vietnam, you must already know: Trên dòng Hương giang (about the prostitutes on the boats on the Hương River), Tiếng chổi tre (about the night street sweepers).Don't be like a parrot, repeating the words of some losers who infact never read a single line of To Huu. Happy reading!Xcanbiet (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Works