Talk:Rock Hudson

message: What's the point of this sentence?
: Hudson was reportedly very good friends with Jim Nabors of television's Gomer Pyle.
In the paragraph's context, it implies that Nabors is homosexual, and unless I completely missed the memo, that is just false. Mike H 06:17, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
Removed this sentence (as this looks like a joke, and I can't find a cite): 
:The two reportedly adopted a son together and named him Rock Pyle although this is speculation.
It's all the same thing! In the early 70's, a false invitation to a real party was issued, which invited guests to the (false) marriage of Hudson and Narbors - the two were never invited. Before that time, Hudson and Narbor's had been good friends, but after that point they never appeared again in public together - and their friendship died. Rgds, Trident13 08:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Narbors?" Seriously? Try "Nabors." Sd31263 (talk) 08:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hudson and Narbors 

message: Removed section. Please see discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films#References in Popular Culture Project The JPS 12:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in popular culture 

message: At one point in the article, we have this statement:
Hudson never publicly acknowledged his homosexuality.
Doesn't this contradict other parts, such as his response to Boze Hadleigh?  ~ CZeke 08:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: More details about his childhood and ancestry are hereWjhonson 20:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestry

message: "Another Hudson biographer, David Bret maintained that the actor, sexually, was invariably the active partner and therefore more than likely contracted AIDS from an infected blood transfusion during open-heart surgery, as he had first explained: the hospital where the procedure took place recorded a number of such cases at the time."
OH I SEE NOW!!!  SO EVERYONE WHO ACQUIRED AIDS BY SEXUAL CONTACT DURING THE 80s WAS A FAGGOTY PASSIVE "BOTTOM" HOMOSEXUAL -- PLEASE, SOMEONE, TELL THAT TO MESSRS. FELA KUTI AND ERIC "EAZY-E" WRIGHT!!!  In the meantime, I'm going to edit the previous ignorant garbage out of the Rock Hudson page ....
75.36.209.231 (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oi! No need to shout, and we do not adopt, we only report. However, it's a limp piece of "information" and should go. --Rodhullandemu 20:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Wikified ignorance 

message: Rock Hudson filmography, which is linked as the "Main article" to the Early Career section in this article, is merely an exact duplicate of the Filmography section in this article. It adds no content and is simply a wasted link. Softlavender (talk) 11:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Softlavender (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there an exact duplicate Filmography article? 

message: Why is an article on an American in British-written English?  I'm gonna try and fix as many as I can... PokeHomsar (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please discuss before doing this, after reading WP:RETAIN. Thanks. Rodhullandemu 18:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Fair enough; as long as it uses one style consistently, that's fine. Rodhullandemu 18:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: If you think of "gay actor", his name is probably the first people think of.  Enjoy playing games, this site is irrelevant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.73.40 (talk) 03:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is why Wikipedia is a joke 

message: Way too much detail. Compare: Eazy_E#Death And it's widely known that Eazy's death from AIDS had way more impact on society than Rock's, despite the hyperbole of this section of the Hudson article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.171.232 (talk) 02:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's "widely known", I assume you'll have no trouble providing a reliable source to document it. Rivertorch (talk) 05:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't feel like documenting the obvious, and besides sourcing is irrelevant to what I'm saying. While it's clear Eazy-E's death from AIDS had a much more profound and wider-reaching impact than Rock Hudson's, even if it didn't the section in this article is still too long.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.171.232 (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, obviousness is a subjective thing, but in a sense you may be on to something: consistency between articles is often less important than getting each article right in absolute, not relative, terms. If you'd care to explain why you think the section of this article is too long, perhaps consensus will develop to support your argument. Rivertorch (talk) 06:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote a reply earlier but this stupid filter won't let me post it because of the casual swearing so I'll post my sanitized version-- "Rock Hudson was one of the most famous actors of his time, yet more of the article centers around his sexuality and disease than his f***** career. And not just the AIDS section. Look at the "personal life" section and "legacy" section. The personal life section is 100% about him being gay-- now yes that's of major interest, but for chrissakes you read this article and the ONLY thing you'd know about his personal life would revolve around his sexuality. Was he s*cking c*cks 24/7? Could anal sex be listed as his main "hobby"? There are more aspects of someone's personal life than their sexuality. Anything not directly related to his film roles in this article could be summed up by "Homie was a closeted gay, got AIDS and since he was the first big star to get AIDS this was a huge thing", and if that's the only thing you got to say about the guy other than shit directly related to his acting, well, you don't need that many paragraphs/words to f***** do it. Just sayin."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.171.232 (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a couple of points.  When aids first became known, people were fired from their jobs and evicted from their homes who had it, out of the fear and stigma that attached to the disease.  Hudson's disclosure of his infection helped change that.  It helped get funding for research that saved people from dying.  Even Hudson's best film saved no-one's home, job or life.   If you have something to add about his film career, do so in the article.  Or restore balance to the wikiverse by expanding the section in the Eazy-E article that deals with AIDS.  His personal life section is not about sucking c*cks.  That is why sucking c*ck is not mentioned in that section. But a person's personal life is largely about their sexual relationships, children, and friendships.  He had no children.  His marriage is addressed, as are his sexual relationships.  You could add information about his friendships if you have any.  David.thompson.esq (talk) 12:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Right. That's my sense of it, too. And, as I said above, this article and the other article you mention each stands on its own. Incidentally, while profanity per se doesn't offend me in the least, it rarely helps to illuminate ideas in a discussion. Then again, sanitized isn't necessarily cogent or persuasive either. What does sucking cocks have to do with anything? Does either article mention sex acts? This seems really silly. Rivertorch (talk) 17:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Eazy-E's death from AIDS had a much more profound and wider-reaching impact than Rock Hudson" This is a purely subjective point. Eazy E's death certainly did speak to many young people at the time because he was straight and had a tough guy image. The idea that people like Eazy contracting HIV and ultimately dying of AIDS did not cross a lot of his fans' minds because of that image. Those same people probably couldn't tell you who Rock Hudson was. Does it make Eazy's death "more profound"? Nope. He just reached a different demographic. I'm sure there are a lot of people who were around when Hudson was popular that were shocked that was gay and died of AIDS. Those same people probably couldn't tell you who Eazy E (or NWA for that matter) even was. Again, different demographic. There's not a "more profound" winner between the two. Like it or not, Hudson's sexuality and death remains memorable so it stands to reason that the article is going to cover that. Instead of going off on a homophobic tangent, you could have spent that time expanding Eazy E's article. I find it ironic that you dismiss Hudson's death because he likely contracted AIDS through homosexual sex but you want a detailed section about how profound Eazy E's death was because he contracted AIDS by having unsafe sex with multiple women. Just because Hudson contracted the disease in a way that obviously creeps you out does not mean his life and death was less significant. It's strange that people still think this way. 24.224.43.225 (talk) 09:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  AIDS section too long? 

message: he left money to other actors and friends, who are them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.202.242.52 (talk) 23:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the will? 

message: The section discussing Reagan's involvement privately and publicly with Hudson after his diagnosis was deleted by an anonymous editor who commented that the section was 'politically motivated'.  Even assuming that the subjective motivation of the authoring editor was political, the question on Wikipedia is different: whether the material is 1) sourced and 2) expressed with a neutral point of view.  Any comments on this would be appreciated. Note that there is already consensus based on prior discussions and edits that Reagan is relevant to the Hudson/AIDs section. David.thompson.esq (talk) 02:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reagan 2 

message: The filmography on Rock fails to mention his bit part in "Fighter Squadron" (1948) with Robert Stack and Edmond O'Brien.  I recall Rock had to have 36 takes for a line he said.  50.202.81.2 (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This editor is currently blocked for repeatedly using talk pages as a forum and trolling. - SummerPhDv2.0 03:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fighter Squadron (1948) bit part 

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message: I removed "In 2013 the transcript of one of the recordings was published. It showed that, contrary to her later public statements, Gates was aware of Hudson's homosexuality while married to him." 
First, the "transcripts" mentioned are not identified previously leading to confusion about which transcripts are being referenced.
Second, the "transcripts" are from Fred Otash's "private files." No actual tape of any of Otash's "transcripts" has ever been released to the best of my knowledge and only the paper transcripts are written about in the referenced articles. Otash was a one-time police officer, who was twice accused of neglect of duty and general unfitness (the first time he was suspended for participating in illegal gambling while in uniform and the second he resigned and became a private detective before the case went to trial http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/otash_fred_t.html). Although he called himself a "private detective," he was better known as "a freelancer and 'fact verifier' for notorious L.A. celebrity tattle magazine Confidential." The Confidential had several cases of libel brought against it- one resulting in a hung jury and many accusers were paid before they went to court against the magazine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidential_(magazine)#Decline Additionally, Otash himself admitted the Confidential was "junk" on numerous occasions. http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/otash_fred_t.html
Considering another of Otash's recently released "transcripts" reports Marilyn Monroe died because she was suffocated by a Kennedy, and the autopsy and other crime scene evidence shows she died from two conflicting sleep medications being in her system, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338425/Marilyn-Monroe-death-Confession-inside-diary-Hollywoods-famous-private-detective-Fred-Otash.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe#Deathhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe#Death, and considering the fact Otash stated, "I'll work for anybody but communists. I'll do anything short of murder." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rock-hudsons-wife-secretly-recorded-562508, Otash can hardly be a reliable source without actual tapes to back up his "transcripts." 
Third, Otash was paid at least $25,000 per year (about $210,000 today) by the Confidentials "investigation" arm and possibly 4 times as much to confirm any rumor they sent him. There is also circumstantial evidence that Otash was not only the person verifying news but also the source of some of the news. http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/otash_fred_t.html As written the statement I deleted implied that there was an actual tape of Gates recorded prior to her divorce in which she confronted him about his homosexuality. If this is the case, the tape needs to be referenced and not a "transcript" of the tape especially since the source of the "transcript" was paid to produce it.
Finally, the Hollywood Reporter provides only one page of the transcript for examination at the referenced website, and half of that page is blacked out. The "newly released transcript" that is shown as well as information found in it, is identical to one in Otash's book, Investigation Hollywood, except in the book the participants are named "STAR" and "WIFE" and therefore could not be used as a source since to the best of my knowledge these people are not identified by name in the book. The published, reveal-all book as a source of the transcripts is not mentioned by Hollywood Reporter. Presenting previously published information as new is plagiarism and source material that was plagiarized is unacceptable. 
It is already established that one solid source believes Gates knew about his homosexuality during the marriage, and so the information in this sentence is not only poorly referenced but also unnecessary.
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thread_title:  Gates knowledge of Hudson's homosexuality 

message: Was Rock Hudson necessarily registered to any party? I think he was mostly a centrist and hated politics, but I know he at least supported Barry Goldwater, which makes me think he leaned towards Republican. Prokrabsgod2 (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Views