Talk:Peter Max Lawrence

message: I'm having a hard time satisfying myself that Lawrence passes notability.  Anyone else have an opinion? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability? 

message: I agree with the previous comment. This guy is known for having a bunch of aliases (Roberta Soltea, Whitler Pratphall) to promote himself. I don't think he should be on Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garydebussy (talk • contribs) 17:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding notability. 

message: i agree. i go to school with this guy. he has never "worked" with tony labat... he tried out for something tony held open auditions for. and sharon grace never said that either. everyone else he listed are just friends of his from school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Modestprotest (talk • 
contribs) 22:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  how does someone report this guy? 

message: I am requesting that this article be deleted for several reasons listed below:
1. I have a very strong suspicion that Peter Max Lawrence not only created this article, but has been the only one maintaining it. If you look at the history (administrators can see IP addresses) almost all the names listed there like WhtPratphall, Pratphall, Verdequete, Waitformyturn are probably linked to the same IP address. These "users" also have no userpages, and therefore, makes me think they are just aliases of Peter's to promote himself on Wikipedia. Almost -ALL- the links go to his own website and Paper Waster Press is also his company. Wikipedia is NOT a RESUME website.
2. Peter Max Lawrence logged on as Waitformyturn was the one who removed my initial request for deletion from this page. This is why I have now submitted it for debate by other Wikipedia users. I am sure I will find more aliases of Peter's on here defending himself, and would like honest Wikipedia users to intervene.
3. In the history section Peter Max Lawrence logged on as Waitformyturn also slanders a student at the San Francisco Art Institute by putting a link to his myspace page. I assume he is blaming this person for the problems he is experiencing on Wikipedia. He also has slandered other users who have made comments on this talk page under the name "Roberta Soltea" and wrote a lengthy open letter to one of the users about how "Roberta Soltea" is a real person. I removed that nonsense from the talk page.
4. Basically this article is causing a lot of problems on here and more importantly, it is completely, a self-made vanity article and should be deleted.  
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Modestprotest (talk • contribs) 20:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for deletion 

message: Why don't you delete it yourself if you want it to be removed? 
I'm asking because I tried to delete this a few days ago and "someone" aka "Waitformyturn" removed the delete and wrote a long rant about something in the talk section defending "you". Quite similar to the long rant you just gave above. If you really do not want this article to exist like you claim above I will put it up for delete again and won't expect "Waitformyturn" to remove the delete.
P.S. Sharon Grace nor Tony Labat don't even know (or probably care) about this fiasco going on about your Wikipedia article. Please stop dragging them into this. I only asked Sharon if she said the quote about you being the most relevant artist of your generation and she said no. Modestprotest (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, since the article exists, and has for some time, simply deleting it is not possible. It will need to go through the deletion discussion and an administrator wil make the final decision. However, since the artist himself has asked that it be deleted, and there seems to be some larger issues at stake, there are legitimate grounds to delete at this time. I've just tuned in to this, so I don't know all the details, but if this is all true, it's unfortunate. I also know that an adminstrator can delete the material so that the negative comments and other objectionable content won't be available via Google. freshacconci talktalk 01:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the "real" Peter Max Lawrence 

message: Opened up a sock puppet case against Petermaxlawrence and his several aliases to avoid scrutiny in creating his own article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Petermaxlawrence Modestprotest (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sockpuppetry case 

message: "Someone" went to the SF Public Library to get around IP tracking and created a new user name to update this page. Sigh. These actions are really transparent, that's what the sad thing is. Modestprotest (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second sock puppet case opened 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Petermaxlawrence
All of the aliases WhtPratphall, Pratphall, Waitformyturn, and Neutralsutures show "the pattern of behavior and edits from the other accounts are sufficiently similar to establish disruptive sockpuppetry" and have been blocked indefinitely, including Petermaxlawrence. I hate to toot my own horn but, turns out my suspicions were validated. 
And because of this action, can we now get back to the discussion of deleting this account?Modestprotest (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock puppet cases closed. 

message: If you stay away from this article and its discussions for a bit, it might actually be possible to improve the article. But your continued defense with the creation of alternate accounts to argue your points works against you in ways you may not realize. If the article can be improved and kept, it will be (or would have been). If it cannot be, it will go. Simple. But the circumstances now surrounding the article greatly reduce the chances that someone will step forward to even try. Imagine being in an elevator and someone passes gas... permeating the elevator with a scent that curls the hair in your nose and makes your eyes water. All you might want to do is get out of that elevator as quickly as possible.... maybe even take the stairs. You may even be reluctant to ever ride an elevator with that person again. So, if you guys just quit farting around, there might yet be hope. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TO THE AUTHOR, THE SUBJECT, AND VARIOUS PUPPETS... 

message: I'm trying to learn how to use WIKI but seem to be failing miserably.  Can anyone help me with these sources and information updates?
*http://www.dailycal.org/2013/06/06/queer-artists-encourage-booing-at-somarts-show/		
*http://verticalgallery.com/collections/peter-max-lawrence	
*http://www.kqed.org/arts/profile/index.jsp?essid=21920	
*http://brokeassstuart.com/blog/2014/01/10/ba-of-the-week-artist-peter-max-lawrence/	
*http://www.somarts.org/tag/peter-max-lawrence/	
*http://www.widewalls.ch/artist/peter-max-lawrence/	
*http://fadmagazine.com/2009/04/12/peter-max-lawrence-answers-fads-questions/	
*http://www.somarts.org/atwar/
*http://www.thisiswhatiwantfestival.com/work/#tiwiw-2014	
*http://www.thisiswhatiwantfestival.com/work/#tiwiw-2013	
*http://www.hdnews.net/news/lid-off-film-festival-hosted-next-weekend-in-lucas/article_4b390656-a1b9-5441-b622-2ba22352521e.html
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/somarts/sets/72157628947651571/	
*https://www.soex.org/projects-exhibitions/crank
*http://www.austinlawgroup.com/pages/art_gallery.htm
*http://archives.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2012/02/09/queer-performance-art-series-the-news-starts-strong-at-somarts
*http://www.fictilis.com/project/10-22-38-astoria		
*http://store.peacheschrist.com/products/133-sfusff-2015.aspx	
*http://openspace.sfmoma.org/2008/09/tonight-i-want-you-tony-labat/	
*http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Warhol-s-15-more-minutes-3248397.php		
*http://www.vice.com/read/gay-men-draw-vaginas-811	
*http://superuschi.org/invited-artists/		
*https://www.poetryfoundation.org/features/articles/detail/70089		
*http://bicoastally.blogspot.com/2012/02/weekend-review.html	
*http://cabinetmagazine.org/events/LeWitt_all_artists.pdf		
*http://www.wheelercentre.com/notes/miranda-julys-internet-interventions	
*http://www.krowswork.com/sova.html	
*http://booksandbookshelves.blogspot.com/p/motives-by-dunstan-christopher.html
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/6091386/an-essay-by-monica-jane-peck-peter-max-lawrence
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1842442/
https://theboltmagazine.com
http://contemporaryperformance.org/profile/PeterMaxLawrence
http://www.frameline.org/now-showing/frameline-voices/peter-max-lawrence
http://www.queerculturalcenter.org/Pages/Chrono/LawrenceL.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jg7ERvOiAI  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weepinggorilla (talk • contribs) 21:35, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  UPDATES NEEDED 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've tagged the article for further references. The ones listed are mostly closely associated with the subject, pay-to-play listings (such as the Saatchi link), or dead links (or frankly a combination of any of these). As it stands, the article is a PR statement, nothing more. I've removed some of the more obvious promotional items but we still have a problem with tone (promotional) and references (dead, affiliated and/or dubious). 
There's also an issue with SPA editing: two editors with similar usernames are adding and deleting sections, at odds with each other. I have no idea the motivations for either, but the "clean" version with my last edit (clean being relative) is the best of the options at the moment. Since there's been sock activity in the past with the subject possibly editing under different accounts, supporters and detractors of the subject may be at it again. Obviously work is required to make this article passable but I've done what I can for the moment: very low priority article that I can't devote more time to it. freshacconci (✉) 19:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  References, clean-up and editing activity