Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 4

message: Adam Mathias requested several articles using the full form found at Wikipedia:German-English translation requests. I've shortened them to one line each. Requesting Germans in Latin America, he wrote: "A lot could be done here, from escaped Nazis, to the list of famous Latin Americans of German origin (Stroessner, Kirchner, etc.), the alpine villages in the middle of the Brazilian and Venezuelan jungles, to the numerous Mennonite, Danube Swabian, and Volga German communities in the Pampas/Chaco/Entre Rios/Parana." Angr/talk 21:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested articles 

message: Any comments on whether this is good enough to be a Featured article? It is an expanded translation of the German featured article that hasn't been proofread very much by native speakers, so it might be quite bad. Any comment would be appreciated. Kusma (討論) 03:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read it, made some minor edits.  It's looking really, really good.  Let me know if you agree with the edits or if you reverted something.  I'll nominate it (since I didn't contribute much to it, that'll likely look better than a self-nom).  Some other minor things:  (1) is there a way to make the references look more uniform with the arrow up (I believe that's the current standard)? (2) I tried to display both FA stars on the interwikis but couldn't get it to work for me.  I posted for help on the Village Pump.  --Mmounties (Talk)   05:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did nothing else than you did about the stars and it suddenly worked... weird. I will convert the references to the currently favored m:Cite.php method in the next couple of days - once that is done, a nomination will be much appreciated :-) Kusma (討論) 01:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have converted the references, but don't have enough FAC experience to say if there's enough of them and if they are specific enough. Kusma (討論) 17:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your patience.  I've been a lot busier after the move than I thought I'd be.... haven't had much time to check in...  but if I did it right Georg Forster is now an FAC.  I'll try to be sure to chime in every night and move it along until it's officially a FA.  :)  --Mmounties (Talk)   06:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now Featured. There are still a few missing citations (I have asked for help at dewiki), and a couple of red links that could be filled if somebody feels like translating (see the talk page). Kusma (討論) 00:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Georg Forster]] 

message: Hi everyone, I've just altered the  template so it can link to German original articles with a different name. If, for example, someone translated :de:Scherenschleifer as Knife grinder today, they could put  at the bottom and it would render as:
:This article incorporates information from the revision as of 8 May 2006 of the equivalent article on the German Wikipedia.
Angr (talk • contribs) 08:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks better than , we should try to advertise this. Kusma (討論) 17:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for translations 

message: I translated :de:Alleinvertretungsanspruch to Exclusive Mandate --> please review and leave feedback on  my talk page or on the article's talk page. Also, I would appreciate feedback in regards to the English title; I couldn't think of anything more fitting and it seems as though native English speakers actually understand what is meant without having read the article, but nonetheless I think there is room for improvement. Your input is much appreciated, thanks. Alternate title is Exclusive Authority Claim, but I think that's a bit wordy. (Patrick 15:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusive Mandate 

message: I've just had a go at incorporating the information from the Lëtzebuergesch article on Luxembourgish in to the en: article.  My Luxembourgish isn't great, so I'd be very grateful if somebody could take a look - anyone here speak Lëtzebuergesch or a close enough German dialect from Bitburg/Trier? Aquilina 12:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Luxembourgish]]

message: Please comment on my suggestion of article and picture for June at Portal talk:Germany. If you want to suggest something else, our list of Featured articles and pictures to choose from is at Portal:Germany/Selected articles and pictures. Kusma (討論) 17:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany portal: selected article for June 

message: The posts above with translation questions regarding the Jugendweihe, some Stasi-related stuff, the Wende of 1989 etc. made me think we should perhaps found a dedicated WikiProject to organize articles about the German Democratic Republic and everything related to it. The project should be a central repository for translation questions of GDR terminology, create articles about all notable GDR politicians (we don't have an article about Günter Mittag, for example). If there are enough interested people, we could start an improvement drive and finally get Berlin Wall featured. If anybody is interested, I could try to outline a structure and advertise it more widely at Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects. Any kind of comment is welcome. Kusma (討論) 18:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there enaugh active people here? Agathoclea 20:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering we don't even have Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany up and running, I really don't see the need for a separate DDR project. All the tasks you mentioned can be part of a more general WikiProject. Angr (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, I think the scope of "Germany" is a bit large for a WikiProject. I think WikiProjects should be a bit more focused. I can't think of a way to organize a WikiProject for the geography of Germany and the history of Germany and all biographies of Germans and all German culture all at once. (That is why I didn't touch the Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany pages: I don't know how to start a WikiProject Germany overseeing thousands and thousands of pages). Kusma (討論) 00:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: About enough acive people: If there are two or three people here that are interested, I would draft a proposal and try to find five or six on the general proposal page. That should do for a start, and talk page templates could be used to advertise the project. Kusma (討論) 00:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's common to have very broad WikiProjects that serve as the parents of more specific WikiProjects. If there were other Germany-related topics with WikiProjects, they could all be daughters of WikiProject Germany. I'd be interested in a WikiProject Berlin, for example. Angr (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think working on and in the daughter WikiProjects is more fun. Berlin is a good topic; as I will move to Berlin this summer, I will also help with that. Note that many possible broad WikiProjects do not exist, most obviously Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia and Wikipedia:WikiProject United States, presumably because nobody knows how to organize such a vast area of the Wiki. Kusma (討論) 17:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject German Democratic Republic? 

message: Should the articles Archbishopric of Trier and Archbishopric of Mainz be at Bishopric of Trier (or Diocese of Trier) and Bishopric of Mainz (or Diocese of Mainz), as those are the current designations? Olessi 18:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainz is currently split between the old archbishopic (the old state of the HRE) at Archbishopric of Mainz and a list of modern bishops since the Säkularisierung at Bishop of Mainz, clearly separating the old and the new church hierarchies in Germany. If we merge these, we should probably do that as Diocese of Mainz, but I would prefer to expand Archbishopric of Mainz into an article about the electoral state and move all modern stuff to Diocese of Mainz / Bishop of Mainz. Kusma (討論) 18:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good. Another naming issue is at Talk:Prince-bishopric and archdiocese of Breslau. Olessi 19:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I hope I get around to translating Kurmainz sometime, then we can have the discussion on how to distribute the content again. Kusma (討論) 22:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishopric articles 

message: I found Albert the Warlike today, which obviously is not the best title for this individual. The German wiki has him at :de:Albrecht Alcibiades (Brandenburg-Kulmbach). Historian Hajo Holborn refers to him as Albert Alcibiades, Margrave of Kulmbach-Bayreuth. Other alternatives are Albrecht Alcibiades, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach and  Albert Alcibiades, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach. Any thoughts? Olessi 22:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about simply Albert Alcibiades? Angr (talk) 07:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: KISS principle sounds good. Olessi 21:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the article to Albert Alcibiades. However, Naming Conventions really should be followed (no nicknames in article name and his title should be listed), which suggests to me the article should be at Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (the title of the principality until 1604, based on :de:Fürstentum Bayreuth) or Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth (the title after 1604). It also looks like Margrave of Bayreuth should be moved to Principality of Bayreuth, Principality of Brandenburg-Bayreuth, or simply Brandenburg-Bayreuth. Any experts on the naming rules out there? Olessi 04:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albrecht Alcibiades 

message: The article Hans Tuppy has been submitted for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hans Tuppy. The subject certainly sounds to me as being notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately, the article as it currently exists has been barely translated from :de:Hans Tuppy and should probably be improved to address the concerns raised by the AfD. If someone could take a look at the article and improve it, I think that would be helpful. --Metropolitan90 05:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hans Tuppy]] 

message: Some users may have contributed in the past to Names of European cities in different languages and its successor pages.  There are proposals to delete these articles and the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of European cities in different languages, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of Asian cities in different languages, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of African cities in different languages might be of interest. AjaxSmack 19:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD:Names of European cities in different languages

message: is currently undertaking the task to change the category sorting of towns with an umlaut by replacing the umlaut with its baseletter (ä=a). This is a good thing in a way, as it seems the software can't properly sort umlauts. My problem with it is that it really should be the transliteration (ä=ae) for proper sorting, but the user insists on the baseletter. My question is whether this subject has been discussed before, and what the consensus was. Or in fact, if a consensus has to be established. Agathoclea 08:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In German publications you find both conventions (ä=a and ä=ae). Dictionaries usually if not always use ä=a, while the telephone book uses ä=ae. IMO an encyclopedia is more like a dictionary than like a telephone book, so ä=a is the way to go. Does anyone know which convention paper encyclopedias like Brockhaus use? User:Angr 08:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just checked the 1996 edition, and it sorts things "my" way: Jager, Jäger, Jagger. --Stemonitis 09:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It does in fact sort things Stemonitis's way, not Agathoclea's way. Please note the first comment and the third comment above are not by the same person! User:Angr 20:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooops... That was exactly my mistake.--CarabinieriTTaallkk 21:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The next question should be - should the software be made to sort it - rather us doing the dorting for the software. I know that mysql allows for sorting foreign chars. Agathoclea 14:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There would still be work for us to do, because someone would have to determine what language each article was titled in, and so what system should be used. "Ä" sorts as "A" (occasionally "Ae") in German, but separately, after Z, in Swedish, for instance. So no, I don't think an automated system will be able to help much. --Stemonitis 14:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again I don't know the software used by wikimedia, but mysql has local-language support. I could envision setting my "language" to German and getting it sorted the German way or to Swedish and see it the Swedish way. In a way like the datepreferences but based on your language option. I'll pester at the village pump when I am back from Germany and see if any technical info is forthcoming. (From early computing days I always believed that the computer has to do the job for us - not we for him). --  Agathoclea 16:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that the software would somehow have to work out (or be told) what language options apply to each article. It would need to know which were German names and which were Swedish. It might be able to guess, but I'm sure there would be mistakes. It's more reliable, although admittedly more effort, just to do it by hand. It's not enough for me to say in my settings that I want to sort the German way, but rather there needs to be a flag for each article. I can imagine a 'bot could be developed to assist, so that the user merely needs to approve every article for German-style sorting or not, and similarly for Swedish, etc., but site-wide automation seems unlikely. --Stemonitis 07:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category sorting of German towns with an umlaut. 

message: The Germany portal could use help. Most needed are:
*somebody who helps to keep Portal:Germany/Germany news up to date
*somebody who helps patrol Special:Newpages, announce newly created articles at Portal:Germany/New article announcements, invite article creators to contribute to the portal and make sure Portal:Germany/New articles stays in sync with Portal:Germany/New article announcements
*somebody who scans newly created articles for possible DYK entries for Portal:Germany/Did you know and for the main page DYK suggestions at Template talk:Did you know
*comments on next month's selected article and picture (a new suggestion is at Portal talk:Germany
*some help with Portal:Germany/Anniversaries, currently 1/3 done, but only 11 days before we'll get a red link on the portal page
*any kinds of suggestions for improvement at the Portal talk page.
Mmounties did a good job with the DYKs and commenting on the selected article, but seems to be on Wikibreak now, so more help is needed. Any volunteers? Kusma (討論) 01:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason I am asking this is that I'll be mostly inactive for the next three weeks, and won't be able to monitor Special:Newpages and keep Portal:Germany/New articles and Portal:Germany/New article announcements synchronized. I hope I'll be able to avoid the Anniversaries reaching a red link, but can't promise anything. Kusma (討論) 21:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed at [[Portal:Germany]] 

message: Your history also had its share with Jagello and his dynasty. The naming discussion has a new approval poll, to discuss the matter of how to name the article currently at Władysław II Jagiełło. Interested editors are invited to participate, at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Shilkanni 20:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jagello