Talk:Beverly Hills Supper Club fire

message: I added the NPOV tag as the article as it includes a lot of subjective, POV language in it.  The article is also too verbose with a lot of superfluous narrative. —  Stevie is the man!  Talk | Work 15:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically, what research would this be? Book name, website URL, or magazine issue and page numbers, please. I ask because if true this goes against the evidence of the fire marshal and of the governor's commission, which found absolutely no evidence of organization in the evacuation, which is one of the reasons why so many people died - no lighting, no exit signs, no easily identifiable exits. You can't funnel anyone toward an exit if you don't know where the exit is. I'm not doubting you, but to add it to the article it it has to be verifiable and traced to a specific source, not just "research has revealed" - anyone can say that about anything. --NellieBly (talk) 04:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: I've added some sourced information from the Cincinnati Enquirer and from WLWT-TV, which produced specials on the 20th and 30th anniversaries (respectively) of the fire. I don't have an emotional connection to the fire (a year ago I hadn't even heard of it) so I hope I've been neutral and have represented what the sources have stated - please bring it up here and let me know on my talk page if you think otherwise so we can all reach consensus. Cheers! --NellieBly (talk) 04:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dec 2009

message: Recent edits have added material that conflicts with no original research. Writing an article based on interviews with people would be fine on a personal website, but it is not allowed here for the simple reason that there is no way for other editors to verify the accuracy of the statements. Imagine an article on politics where editor A writes "X is good" (reference: personal interviews), while editor B writes "X is bad" (reference: personal interviews). Sorry, but all this material will have to be removed from Wikipedia.
Some of the current references are:
*Robert Webster, personal research and accounts, author of Northern Kentucky Fires, board member of Kenton County Historical Society
*Personal accounts by Johnny "TV" Peluso, March, 2010 to local interested volunteers and historians.
*Personal accounts by Walter Bailey and Barbara (anonyous), violinist on stage who performed in the Cabaret Room on the night of the fire.
*Personal account of David Brock, former busboy, N. KY resident.
*Personal accounts from Wayne Dammert, former club banquet captain and David Brock, former bus boy and current researcher/archivist on the fire (2010).
*Personal account by Inner Investigational Review Panelist, hired by Gov. J. Carroll, R. Freels
*Personal account by David Brock, then busboy and 30 + year private researcher and archivist to this case, N Ky resident.
*(wishes to be kept anonymous), Hazmat Instructor, near Utica, Ohio
*Personal account of David Brock, former busboy, purported arson witness and long-time private researcher and archivist of club records and testimonies.
*Personal accounts of former club employees, Wayne Dammert and David Brock, "Survivors for Justice"
Undoubtedly this research is extremely well intentioned and involved a lot of work, but it cannot be used here. I do not have time at the moment to fix the article, but am posting this to alert anyone who was thinking of adding more that it would not be a good idea. All information must be verifiable. Johnuniq (talk) 11:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added tags for reliable sources and essay-tone; the lack of response over the last few days only underscores a sense of ownership of the article. JNW (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only solution I can see is a deep revert. As living persons are mentioned, this is a BLP issue was well. There will be some collateral damage but we can live with that. Dougweller (talk) 20:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: I have reverted the article to this  revision, and I suggest that future changes should be made carefully with regard to citations, and an appropriate amount of detail for an encyclopedic article. Material should not be added without a suitable reliable source.
 and  made their first edits to this article on 21 June 2010 and have not responded to polite messages on their talk pages and here. The material added by these users would be excellent on their own website, and it may be suitable to add one external link to such a site. A lot of the material is probably sourcable to this book (Inside the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire by Ron Elliott, Wayne Dammert), but the level of detail in this article is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Johnuniq (talk) 03:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revert 

message: Why is there no cause for the fire mentioned in the article? 66.31.76.221 (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause?

message: I removed the following from the section "The Fire" due to being incomplete:
"Bruce Rath, a Fort Thomas firefighter who responded to the blaze, was interviewed by WLWT-TV in 2007. He said of the fire:"Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire". WLWT-TV official YouTube channel. Accessed December 6, 2009."
Jedikaiti (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed from Text

message: Substituted at 09:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ozone Disco fire which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 01:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Why is arson cited as the cause? That is conjecture. 2603:6011:1D49:BC00:AD87:3C8F:579D:87B (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arson