Talk:Patrice de MacMahon

message: The proper French spelling is, as far as I know, Mac-Mahon. I suggest the article should be moved to that spelling, since it discusses a Frenchman. I realize that British and Irish people have different ways of spelling such names, but I think we should primarily write names as the people describe wrote their own name. David.Monniaux 19:40, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Futhermore, it's Patrice de Mac-Mahon, not Patrice MacMahon. 23:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The French spell his name Mac Mahon with a space and no hyphen, or often with no space and no hyphen. His biographer says: "It should be noted that the usage does not put and should not put a hyphen between Mac Mahon. The error comes from the Marshal himself, who often signed by putting a continuous line between the two words. The Official Journal interpreted this connection letters as a hyphen and the custom was to write Mac-Mahon in all official acts of the time, but it is wrong. " Gabriel de Broglie, Mac Mahon, Paris, Perrin, 2000, p.  17 .  Rjensen (talk) 07:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac-Mahon 

message: "To date he is the only person of Irish descent to have served as a head of state in continental Europe."
Did'nt de Gaulle have Irish ancestry? Fergananim
Various royalty have descent from Strongbow's wife...For instance:
Eva of Leinster m. Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke
1. Their daughter, Isabel, Countess of Pembroke; m. William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke
2. Their daughter, Maud Marshal; m. Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk
3. Their daughter, Isabel Bigod; m.2 John FitzGeoffrey
4. Their daughter, Aveline FitzJohn m. Walter de Burgh, 1st Earl of Ulster
5. Their son, Richard de Burgh, 2nd Earl of Ulster
6. His son, John de Burgh
7. His son, William de Burgh, 3rd Earl of Ulster
8. His daughter, Elizabeth de Burgh, Countess of Ulster; m. Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence
9. Their daughter, Philippa, m. Edmund Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March
10. Their son, Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March
11. His daughter, Anne Mortimer, m. Richard, Earl of Cambridge
12. Their son, Richard, Duke of York
13. His son Edward IV, King of England
14. His daughter Elizabeth of York, m. Henry VII, King of England
15. Their daughter Margaret, m. James IV, King of Scots
16. Their son James V, King of Scots
17. Their daughter Mary, Queen of Scots; m. Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley
18. Their son James VI and I, King of England, &c.
19. His son Charles I, King of England, &c.
20. His daughter Henrietta Anne, m. Philippe, Duc d'Orleans
21. Their daughter Anne Marie, m. Victor Amadeus II, King of Sardinia
22. Their son, Charles Emmanuel III, King of Sardinia...
Not a very clear Irish descent, but an Irish descent nonetheless. john k 02:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What About De Gaulle?

message: The second paragraph needs to be cleaned up big-time.  The sentence isn't conherent, and there is a URL and somebody's signature just floating around there.  --LakeHMM 07:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd Paragraph 

message: For one, the sentences about de Gaulle seem out of place. I'm going to delete them, unless somebody has a good reason. Thoughts?
Also, the "Quotes" section says "After the Republicans' victory in the elections of 1877, Gambetta told him to "submit or resign ( se soumettre ou se démettre) to which Mac-Mahon replied: "I'm here. I'm staying here! (J'y suis. J'y reste !)," but earlier in the article it says he said "J'y suis. J'y reste !" during the Crimean War in 1855. Did he say it twice, or is something wrong? Awiseman 16:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The French article does not refer to the elections of 1877, but to the Crimean War. Which article is right then? Sins We Can't Absolve 21:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions about this article 

message: I've removed the following.
:Charles DeGaulle, President of France from 1958 to 1969, was descended through a grandmother, Josephine Maillot, a McCartan from Ulster, who had previously published a biography of Daniel O'Connell, the Irish "Liberator" of the who organized mass rallies and represented Ireland in the English Parliament in the 1830s-40s.  
Where the heck did it come from and what was it doing there? FearÉIREANN\(caint) 19:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What was this doing in this article?

message: Are there any citations that his background is Irish? As far as I am aware MacMahon (or McMahon) is a Scottish name. Or are we referring to him in the same way at the Mafia refers to all English Speaking  Eurpoeans as Irish. Travsuth 10:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: M(a)c Mahon is an Irish name, not a Scottish one.  I should know, I am an Irish McMahon living in Scotland.  Something like Matheson I believe is the closest Scottish name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.63.110 (talk) 11:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Here's the article on his family: MacMahon family.  He's of Irish descent alright. Gronky (talk) 19:18, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Irish?

message: I suggest moving this article to Patrice MacMahon is the most common English name for the man. Carl Logan 10:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: In the classic cookery bible Le Repertoire de la Cuisine "Mac-Mahon" is a way to serve steak and lamb noisettes.  Fry the steak.  Deglaze with white wine and meat jus, then whisk in butter.  Serve the meat in a cocotte on a bed of potaoes sauteed from raw with chopped onion and pour the sauce over.  Was this a favourite of the gentleman in question?84.68.163.39 (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipe  

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class.  Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met.   With appropriate citations and references, this article would easily qualify as B class if not higher.   --dashiellx (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: Does a natural born citizen of France, who happens to be of Irish decent really count as a Wild Goose?  Something about that doesn't seem right?  Anyone got an opinion?  Otherwise, I think I might just remove that category.... --Leodmacleod (talk) 18:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You obviously are correct, even by definition of the WikiCategory, which reads: « The "Wild Geese" were Irish expatriate soldiers who served in continental European armies from the 16th to 18th CE ». (Mac Mahon was born in the 19th century and a natural born citizen of France.) - I will remove the ridiculous category myself since it is still there. -- Bien amicalement, Charvex (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wild Geese 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: MacMahon won national renown and the French Presidency on the basis of his military actions in the war against the Germans. 
:There is nothing in the article that confirms this. His record in the Franco-Prussian War was not distinguished. Valetude (talk) 13:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: well it was worse-- he lost his entire army and Napoleon III at Sedan (and was badly wounded). He recovered but France lost the war. Rjensen (talk) 14:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  War against Germany? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved   (t · c) buidhe 16:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Patrice de MacMahon → : see French article and its citations (French Presidency website...). Cheep (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 May 2021 

message: This article refers to the war against the Germans but the 1870 conflict was between the state of Prussa and France. The German union took place following the end of the Franco-Prussian war. 86.41.23.83 (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prussian, not German 

message: In the passage: "remain "au-dessus des partis" (on top of the parties)"
the proper translation should read "(above the parties)".
Attentive21 (talk) 17:14, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "above the parties" not "on top of the parties"