Talk:Wymysorys language

message: This article contains quite some nonsence. Take for example: "The inhabitants of Wilamowice are thought to be descendants of Dutch, German and Scottish settlers who arrived in Poland in the 13th century. The inhabitants of Wilamowice always strongly refused any connections with Germany and proclaimed their Dutch origins." The fact is, in the 13th century, there was no Dutch nation, and neither was there a German nation. The Netherlands were formed in the 16th century, and Germany as we no it didn't exist until a good few centuries later. Also, Dutch 'volgen' has no ordinary use 'to understand' or to 'hear', and I doubt whether anyone in the 13th century had ever seen an 'olifant' in this part of Europe... Seems like someone felt creative.
* Although there weren't the political nations of Germany or the Netherlands in the thirteenth century, there were the ethnicities and certainly the languages. -Branddobbe 07:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The entry may be misread or mistranslated, but a wave of British and Dutch settlers came in Northern Germany in the 16th century (some Scottish and Dutch-Frisian Protestants were invited to live in Lutheran Prussia) at a time when Scotland was independent and the newly formed Netherlands wanted to ally itself with Prussia whom ruled over the region (Silesia, Kashubia and Pomerania) that gone to Polish rule after 1945 by Germany's defeat in WWII. It's comparable to Scandinavian influence in Low German words or terms are also found along the Baltic sea Coast (i.e. Rugen, Rostock, Kiel and even Danzig/Gdansk) after periods of Danish and Swedish rule from the 1100s to as recent as the early 1800s. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some nonsense here 

message: Should it not be Ślöf, rather than Śtöf ("sleep", Standard German "schlaf", in Silesian Dialect "schloof")? --Unoffensive text or character 09:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be ł pronounced as English w.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.218.238.253 (talk) 16:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lullaby

message: About the section "History":
"Middle High German" (= between  Old and Modern High German) is probably a mistranslation for "Middle German" (= between High and Low German).  The  German page on Wymysorys has "Mitteldeutsch".
About the Vocabulary:
See also the discussion page to the French version.
--Zxly (talk) 10:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further remarks 

message: There are no sources for the name anyway, so there is no use having the bad form from an original name, read by English speakers as [wɪ'mɪsəʊɹi:z]. The Polsih and original name comes from the name of this ethnic group - Wilamowianie (Wymysiöejer). I suggest the name Vilamovian language, which is read closely to Polish and original ones. Timpul my talk 10:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: Has anyone considered doing a translation of this article? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across the word "Haltsnovian," and I don't think my post is given even a bit of attention. On the other hand, Haltsnovian used to be spoken in the Hałcnów borough of Bielsko-Biała. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 04:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzenau_Dialect -EggSalt (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hałcnovian Ethnolect 

message: Seems to be a bit free and not very close to the text if I use my knowledge of germanic languages to try to understand it. Not to speak of the huge difference of it to the “normal” our father —2.203.243.184 (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, that's weird indeed. But I have found the source of the translation here. It's a literal translation of a not-so literally translated version of the prayer into Kölsch. No idea how it has found its way to this article. –Austronesier (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this is indeed a weird origin. The translation from Kölsch is correct indeed. But we should probably replace it with the Our Father in a common English language version that is either a common English version or a translation from Wymysorys, which should not be that different. —-2.203.243.184 (talk) 20:27, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

text: For the benefit of most English speaking Wikipedia readers who might see this discussion, we should mention that "Kölsch" is a German dialect from the city of Cologne and its environs. Am I correct in identifying "Kölsch" as Colognesque? Pascalulu88 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll experiment with a strictly literal translation from Wymysorys later or tomorrow, let's see how it works. –20:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  translation of the our father