Talk:Sega/Archive 1

message: fellow wikipedian "Bigbadjon101" added this information. 
Sports Design R&D [[Smilebit[citation needed]]]
I would have removed it, but I was not able to find information against or for it, however I found out that Kenji Arai from Racing Games R&D was from OverWorks, even though OverWorks employees were merged with WOW to form AM1.
--Cube b3 14:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Smilebit members in Sports Design R&D

message: I'd like to restore the article from here.  Thoughts?--Butters 23:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Restore previous version

message: This article has very few references and no footnotes.  Parts of the article look like primary research.  I've tagged the article with the improve references tag.  --Butters 18:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs more references

message: The Sega Article is getting to large, I beleive the corporate infrastructure should be moved to it's own article, The Key people should the Key People Of Sega. While in the main Sega Article we can just right a small paragraph and a link.
--Cube b3 03:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dividing The Article

message: dammit why did you change it>:(
any way the first time i saw the notic "Needs Clean Up"
i was totally angry
but sinc is there thats cool:D
it was my mistake in the first place
i didn't know Sega made other arcade machines:D
><ino 09:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My lindbergh 

message: sega nomad was never sold in japan, someone should correct it. Also, in the "game gear" section, there is a paragraph about the megajet. It should probably be in the "nomad" section (there is a subtitle)
I Have a friend who has a nomad,I used to even know a kid who had almost all the sega consoles
plus the Sega Pelican ,somehow he modified it so it got local cable!
* I've done it, but it still needs some polishing. --32X 13:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sega nomad 

message: Is there any good reason to have every single geographical location mentioned in this article linked?  The profusion of links is distracting and I don't see how they help the article; I'd like to clean 'em up but don't want to tread on toes. Student Driver 05:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to every territory, country, region, and city 

message: What occurred me is the absolute absence of any information on the division/label called Sega PC. I know it existed, because I own an PC version of Ecco the Dolphin, and have seen an PC version of Comix Zone as well.
I don't know why this isn't mentioned even here, although one would assume that Wikipedia is being made of highly informed people. I can only assume that it was never as widespread as console versions of Sega games.
If anyone knows more about it, I'd like to see a few notes on it. Alrik Fassbauer 12:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you mean is a Teradrive or Mega PC, what Alrik means is the Sega subdivision which ported their console games to PC (like Comix Zone, Virtua Fighter, ...). --32X 09:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sega PC

message: I heard that there is a rumor going around that Sega and Apple are planing a new 7th generation home console, is this true? If it is then it should be mentioned. 211.27.43.182 01:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The next-gen rumor

message: Anyone know where the information about Viacom owning part of SEGA of America comes from? The only reference I could find was in the wiki for Viacom... unsigned comment by Captain Bonzo 22:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia really seems to be the only place connecting Viacom and Sega of America. And no sources are given on wiki. Seems pretty fishy to me. unsigned comment by Special:Contributions/213.216.199.30 21:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed it, see Talk:Viacom for more information about that topic. --32X 11:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega of America part of Viacom? 

message: Removed the following from the section "1989-2001":
"Robert Deith was the Chairman of Sega Europe throughout most of this time."
I did so because it is a complete non sequitur and adds no real value to the topic.  If anyone can justify putting it back in, feel free to do so.
66.41.25.143 00:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Deith 

message: I'm talking about this edit:
* Was it really the first service of that kind? I mean, even the Atari 2600 had modems.
* "millions of subscribers all over the world" ... really?
Could someone fix the spelling/wording or -if it's biased/wrong- remove that edit completely? --32X 22:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega Channel 

message: Are you sure Shenmue is a discontinued franchise, they are making a game called Shenmue Online. I'm not sure if that rings a bell or anything, but can you clarify it thats its really discontinued? or what you mean by discontinued is the series canon itself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sniper 99 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding to Shenmue for discontinued franchise 

message: I just changed info (read: removed misinformation) in the history section regarding Sega Channel.  First:  a claim that Sega Channel was the first downloadable-content game service.  It wasn't.  See Gameline for an Atari 2600 downloadable service from AOL's past.  Also predating the Sega Channel was Intellivision PlayCable (1981-1983).  Not to mention the early trial interactive-cable concepts tested from the late 60s on, including Ralph Baer/Sanders Associate's interesting merger of analog pong-style games with cable-broadcast backgrounds.
Second was the claim that Sega Channel had "millions of subscribers" all over the world.  A quick look at Sega Channel shows that the peak number of subscribers was quite a bit lower-- 250,000.  I therefore also removed the claims that the Sega Channel was more popular than the 32X and Sega CD; the Mega/Sega CD, at least, reached a higher market penetration-- 2-3 million in Japan, 2.5 million in N. America, 1 million in Europe...
Student Driver 01:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega Channel misinformation 

message: ...should be Sega Corporation, the total official name. Sega is a shortening. --Chr.K. 14:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sega Corporation" is a specific name for the post-2000 incarnation of Sega; the generic "Sega" title is more accurate as this page reflects information of all incarnations of the company (across time and geography), of which "Sega" is the common name. Student Driver 17:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name... 

message: There has been a recent letter sent from Sega to YTMND that says they need to take down all of the Sonic websites or face legal action.
Max tells the YTMND community about this: http://ytmnd.com/news/?news_id=56
Read the full legal notice here: http://www.ytmnd.com/info/legal/sonic.pdf
Max'x legal assistant DZK has already penned up a response available here: http://ytmndsega.ytmnsfw.com/
I Deleted it in case a kid were to see it boy it was probably gonna get wiki in trouble anyway
--ROMaster2 9:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  YTMND vs. Sega 

message: I heard lots of Rumors that Nintendo bought Sega. Is it true? By AA 71.166.147.39 22:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sold? 

message: as i try with web browser today, www.sega.com is now auto-redirect to www.sega.co.jp with no trace of "Sega of America" anywhere, anyone knows if Sega of america is closed or not?
--219.79.161.96 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have any problems here. Anyway, the discussion page is to discuss the article. --32X 16:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega of America is dead? 

message: This page should be reverted to a form that... has... content... And either my lack of knowledge or my lack of a user account prevents me from doing so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.194.29.66 (talk) 16:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandelism 

message: In the main page, it'd be nice to have lists of games, developed, and not just published, by each branch of Sega (JP, USA, EU). Unfortunately I lack the knowledge to do that. --h_a 17:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of games developed by each sega 

message: In Spanish sega means "the second player, in some games".
I find it funny.
--84.20.17.84 11:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Spanish 

message: Sega seems to use SEGA these days, especially in official documentation. References flip back and forth between the two spellings in the article. Since Sega is not an acronym, I think the original spelling should stick. But there should either be consistency within the article or some explanation offered for the two variants in spelling. 205.210.170.48 14:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega or SEGA? 

message: Are these right?
Because a lot of games that are developed by Sonic Team, have been listed as spread over several other teams? Doktor Wilhelm 17:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In-house studios and such

message: I'm trying to collapse this article as it's mostly redundant and an indiscriminate collection of information, besides being far from having many good qualities.  Because of this, I'm merging a section over into this article from that one to preserve this content, as most of the content of the article will be preserved from what I'm doing to it.  I'm not sure if this fits right where I'm putting it though, so I'd like some help if it doesn't fit right into the article.  Thanks. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 02:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Sega Studios & Video Games]]

message: It's understandable that since Sega's former title was Service Games, the search would redirect here, but service games are also a genre of video games- i.e. Root Beer Tapper.  Service Games should have a disambiguation page.
98.208.95.209 (talk) 09:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Service Games" 

message: There's a mention of these being a surprise hit. Is this referring to photo booths for passport photos etc, or what has gone onto become purikura? If it's the latter, it worthy of a link at least. Anyone know? Lets Enjoy Life (talk) 04:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coin operated photo booths 

message: This page is clearly written by non-English speakers, and is most likely written by Sega employees.  It needs so many citations that most of it should be scrapped.Wuapinmon (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: snow job

message: Sega has been shut down and has been canceled for good!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.142.218 (talk) 15:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  s 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Sonic 1991.png

message: this article has been brutily vandlized, and should be fixed.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandlizim 

message: I'm pretty sure Sega hasn't made 1,640 billion.  Maybe 1.6 billion, or possibly even 16 billion, but not 1,640 billion.  However, I do not know the correct figure and thus cannot edit it.  SaderBiscut (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 1,640 billion?

message: Because I don't see it in the article and my source is sonic stadium. --Coconutfred73 (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it true that SEGA cut 30 employees because of the economy problems? 

message: I'd like to move this page and all the other pages to "SEGA...", etc.
SEGA should be all in capital letters. Look at their logo. - Eugene Krabs (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:TRADE. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting moves. 

message: Why does SEGA got of in the seventh-generation of vidio gaming, it might appear in the eighth generation CyberTech-100 05:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened? 

message: Virtua Racing was released for the MD 1994!
I'm going to change that. NeoDoubleGames 16:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seva v. accolade 

message: This may be simply my own interpretation of this, but, I'll do a direct quote of a section in the article.
"Launching with a small library of generally uninteresting software and in the shadow of the upcoming PS2".
I bolded the part which essentially made it biased. The PS2 has nothing to do with the Dreamcast's library of games. They're two different game consoles. And why is it necessary to note "uninteresting"..? Please, enlighten me how that isn't making this a biased sentence. --65.43.229.57 (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A little biased?

message: Where can I read up on the operating systems in the various products Sega manufactures?   The main article should have a link to an article that describes what the Sega products do, and what operating systems are found in them?   Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 23:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega operating system? 

message: Why does this article only begin with the Mega drive? Sega had two consoles I recall prior to the megadrive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.101.40 (talk) 00:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-Magadrive Sega 

message: Sega is registered in the USPTO. I think it should be added. Railer-man (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patent 

message: http://www.sega-amusements.co.uk/03/flash/SAE_03.swf
Sega Amusements Europe
WhisperToMe (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: To archive

message: I bought the sega, the sega cd, the sega 32x, I played a lot of sega. What took out Sega, was Sony. Sega is not dead but if I were Sega I would target Sony or I would not do business with Sony. Simply, to me, this is logical, but, also why I put it in discussion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.3.77 (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sega History

message: Worms and viruses with respect to a potential threat!
Please note that the reference # 58 (filedes) please do not click, it should be reviewed and possibly removed as a reference, today I had problems with my computer when I called the URL! Is it possible to investigate the matter because of trojan / worms / viruses on the ground? I ask for immediate feedback! Abani79 (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do the sacrifice. Island Monkey talk the talk 17:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And nothing comes up. Island Monkey talk the talk 17:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

text: http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=e3c530c333d54b2e5a3c9eb15fbdaa7da169795666b012ba633137b42e18d657-1306174654 Island Monkey talk the talk 18:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Removed. It was not a reliable source, anyway. Prolog (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention possible virus threat - READ! 

message: No mention of Sega's handheld consoles?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.140.225 (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Game Gear? Nomad?

message: Does this article need the warning about "multiple issues?"  There are only 2 or maybe 3 statements in the whole thing that have a "citation needed" next to them, the sourcing is fine, and I see little need for clean-up.  Obviously, it could always be expanded with more data and refinements, but it really seems like at least some of the warnings on top of the page are not needed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation request should definitly be removed,it is no longer neccessary.MilkStraw532 (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I will remove the reference to citations unless there is any dissent.  For now, I will leave the "clean-up" request, and ask that another user weigh in on the topic.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Hello wikipedians, i have re-tagged again the article, because there're to much deadlinks used as citation and they should eventually secured as archived site by using the internet wayback machine if possible or replace them. Please remove the tags first, if this tasks was done. Abani79 (talk) 18:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Issues? 

message: This article is pretty good but its missing a few pictures;
The SEGA CD tray model and the pop top side by side second gen model.  The original Genesis model that has a volume slide bar and a head phone jack.  Finally the horroble 32x upgrade for the Genesis which put the nail for me on SEGA platforms.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.181.116 (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Systems Pictures

message: There is a feature that runs through the Sonic games and has occurred in some other Sega games eg Super Monkey Ball Sega Superstars Tennis- a chequeboard design in 2 different colours. This may sound of limited interest but it is a highly relevant feature of some Sega games as far as I am concerned as the design greatly helps to accentuate the sense of speed integral to those games. I have always considered it as somewhat a hallmark of Sega's identity ever since Sonic the hedgehog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Picnico (talk • contribs) 22:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chequeboard design

message: Is there a way to better integrate the earlier SEGA R&D stucture?  The AM numbering and studio fiefdom structures are really only reflective of Dreamcast era Sega, and sorts of skirts over the strict arcade and consumer R&D divisions the company had in the 1980s to the mid 1990s.  There's also no mention of Japanese studios which Sega was was formerly invested in in such as RED Entertainment, Gau Entertainment/Nextech, Sims, C.R.I. (which was folded into AM2), Access Games or others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.113.30 (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pre-Dreamcast era R&D stucture 

message: It's in the head paragraph. I am thinking about replacing it with "highly successful", "Popular","Highly Rated" or some variation of all three. UNLESS someone actually sees a reason to leave it there. Multi-million selling does not really mean much. Shenmue was a multi-million selling "franchise" and it technically was a commercial failure. BUT, it is a popular game, and it had good ratings. Another example would be Phantasy Star, which got high ratings, was also successful, and was popular as well. 
:Keep in mind I am posting this since I know Sega is a very popular company and I know they have a very proud following.AustralianPope (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just threw that in there to match a similar statement at Capcom and a far more extensive list of games at Konami, not because I take any pride in the works produced by employees of companies whose products I have enjoyed in the past. "Highly successful" and "popular" are more vague than the current language, not that I care enough to fight you here. Shenmue wouldn't be ideal since it only had two entries and will probably never be seen again (least likely of all from Sega-Sammy). As I see it, Sonic was Sega's 16-bit flagship title and remains their current mascot, Virtua Fighter was their top developers' killer app during the fifth generation and remains their most critically acclaimed and influential arcade game, and Yakuza is modern Sega's defining franchise. (Nagoshi is clearly the best developer they have left.) Sega has been expanding in the West with mobile and PC games, and Total War is the most prestigious of the bunch. As for Phantasy Star, it may not be Sega's best RPG, but it certainly is their longest-running and most important.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That actually makes a lot of sense, the current wording better represents the spectrum of Sega titles. Sergecross73 msg me  18:17, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:   multi-million-selling franchises 

message: In case anyone would find this information useful for expanding the article, here's Sega's full year results. Most of this year's profits owes to its pachinko business, and its top selling video game was Total War: Rome II at 1.13 million copies. --benlisquareT•C•E 05:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Financial information for fiscal year ending 2014-03-31 

message: I have reverted Tripple-ddd's proposed trimming and reorganization of this article. On my talk page, Tripple-ddd explained their changes, stating that Sega v. Accolade "has it's own article" and therefore does not merit coverage here, the statement that Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is Sega's best-selling game "is not accurate anymore", and the excessively detailed 2005–present section should be summarized with "official milestones featured on their website and statements from annual investor reports from Sega Sammy Holdings". To which I reply: Sega v. Accolade is certainly an interesting and significant part of Sega's history, I'm not sure what more recent game supposedly outsold Sonic 2, and Tripple-ddd's reliance on primary sources is quite excessive. I welcome further comments on the matter. In the meantime, it is not only Tripple–ddd's mass deletions sans consensus that concern me, but also some of their own contributions, for example:
*Sega "has been the leader in the arcade industry from its foundation in 1960 to today." Nobody can deny Sega's significant contributions to the industry, but its own financial reports are not a good enough source to satisfy the Wikipedia standard of neutrality and verifiablity. 
*"Sega Sammy aims to be in the Top 3 in the digital game market", sourced to the company's latest financial report, is recent trivia from a non-neutral source and in any case hardly a meaningful statistic.
*"Sega of Europe and Sega of America have been moderating more autonomously being able to purchase western developers once again" is unsourced gibberish.
*"The challenging economic climate of packaged video game software in western markets, deemed titles such as Binary Domain, Golden Axe: Beast Rider, Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza localizations, Bayonetta not appropriate." "Not appropriate"? The cited source doesn't mention any of these games.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed mass deletion 

message: Do you think we should start a small criticisms and controversies section, not to bash Sega but to give a more well rounded opinion. Of course they wouldn't be our criticisms, just general critcisms from citable sources.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.11.177 (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms 

message: It seems like there is no interrest except us two about the correct portrayal of Sega's current business and history.
--Tripple-ddd (talk) 12:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My previous objections to your edits still stand. Indeed, you haven't modified any of the claims that you conceded were problematic. You've been causing a mess around a whole bunch of Sega articles, removing accurate information from Sonic Team with no edit summary, redirecting Sega AM3 to Sega Rosso when Sega Rosso should be AM5, ect., and with no consensus you really can't expect to get away with deleting half the article to skew the focus in favor of your original research "2005–present and the (ever-shrinking) Arcade market" section.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Please read WP:BURDEN, and WP:NOCONSENSUS. If you cannot prove your claims, which is the responsibility of the person who wants the change, then the changes are not accepted. This is why your edits keep getting undone. Sergecross73 msg me 11:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Alright, can you break it down a little further? Give a few examples of changes you've made, and the sources that support them. Maybe I can give you more insight. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That you didn't know Takashi Yuda created Knuckles is perfectly understandable, but your widespread pattern of unexplained deletions is disruptive in the sense that you should tag such unsourced material first. Moreover, if you don't know what you are talking about, it might be wise to leave massive restructurings such as your deletion of half of this article to better qualified editors.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

text: As the source says, Yuda also worked on UGA's Space Channel 5. In fact, UGA was filled with Sonic Team veterans such as Yuda, which is why they were merged back into Sonic Team when Sega restructured their internal studios in 2003.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The edits are reverted 

message: My problems with the previous version:
* Advertising campaigns section being tagged for a long time now, it has to be removed
* Sega R&D sections and Sega Studios being unsourced for a long while now, also the Studios section is redundant
* Too detailed history post 2005
* Revenue are from Sega Sammy as a whole, which doesn't count from Sega, so it is deleted
I restructured the article the better give a sum of Sega Corporation as it is represented on Sega Sammy's website. And to to make in similar lenght to other companies like Capcom, Square Enix and Konami  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripple-ddd (talk • contribs) 17:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You completely evaded the four concrete criticisms I presented under "Proposed mass deletion". Until you do, expect to be reverted. (Also, stop arbitrarily splitting the paragraphs into numerous disconnected sentences.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

text: I apologize for my rather sporadic edit schedule of late, not that it can be helped. While I still believe your text contains errors and excessively regurgitates Sega's PR statements, I suppose you haven't really made an already poor article worse, and I don't have the time to continue this edit war. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive changes 

message: I just parsed the paragraph you just edited a bit ago for the 2001-2005 section. What statement here:
Sega introduced several novel concepts tailored to the Japanese market. Derby Owners Club was the first large-scale satellite arcade machine with IC card for  data storage. Trading card game machines were introduced for general audiences with World Club Champion Football and for young  children with Mushiking: King of the Beetles.
is being cited to the East Valley Tribune article? It doesn't look to me like the citation's supporting what's being said here, so I'm probably going to take it out. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 14:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't think there's necessarily a quick way, but one way of doing so is going to the diff prior to each big block of Tripple-ddd edits. If we take the "accessdate" as being gospel, when on the page history, you can edit the date on the browse history to see the page looked like back then For what it's worth though, I agree that the citation definitely doesn't support that passage of text. Looking at that month, I can see 0 evidence of the citation being added at that point (or any point in March), so who knows what is going on. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. One thing I tried earlier is to just look at all of the March 2012 diffs one by one like you probably did, but none of them added that citation anywhere, so whatever that source is/was supposed to be for now is lost on me. Whatever. The article just mentions ALL.net in a single sentence about arcade networks in general, so removing it won't hurt anything. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 16:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * That particular cite was for the decline of the global arcade industry stuff. I think it was  who moved it around, and also wants to do the split of "products and services", and removing games etc. from the history article? Asking, is anyone really willing to do it? He suggested it, but hasn't done anything, aside from a bit initiating (removing pictures, renaming headers etc.). If he doesn't answer I would suggest leaving it as is, changing some stuff back.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 07:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *I haven't made any changes related to this.  Here is the revision before I made edits: link.  Eastvalleytribune is still being still cited in the exact same place.  All I did was fill in references with correct formatting and templates.  I haven't moved any citations from their original locations. --The1337gamer (talk) 08:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * I see, but what of the article split, are you expecting someone else to do it, after you did a bit of stuff?--Tripple-ddd (talk) 09:07, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *This is Wikipedia, anybody can contribute to page.  Me laying out a skeleton doesn't mean I'm the only one allowed to fill it or that the burden is on me to complete it.  If you want to start expanding the section then go ahead.  I'd suggest not removing information from the History section yet though as we don't want to lose any information.  Nobody has objected writing a Product and services section, and other GA-class company articles of this size and scope have a similar structure to this (see Google). --The1337gamer (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Well I won't change the article...I think the structure of segmenting the consoles and amusement business of before worked just fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega&diff=659797857&oldid=659797710...more headers is the only I would change. If for a couple of months no one majorly takes on the restructing I think it would be for the better just to remove the tag (and change the header back to other media)--Tripple-ddd (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

text: *The headers are currently fine. You've had other ones before (amusement sections) and they got removed, so why are you surprised? The main issue currently with the article is lack of relevant info inside each header. For example, there is a single sentence about the Sega Pico (in the Products section), and none about the Advanced Pico Beena. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * I think Beena coverage is enough within the Pico article. I don't really mind if you add more, but I personally view things such as the Nomad (Game Gear is more important) and Advanced Pico Beena as minor products. I think the article is big enough--Tripple-ddd (talk) 21:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Obscure arcade stuff is more noteworthy? Doesn't matter if they are minor, they should at least be mentioned. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Well, that arcade stuff is commercially successfull for Sega (which is why it makes it in a financial report) despite unknown in the west. Nomad is known, but neither has acclaim (which is why things like Shenmue are in the article) or was financially successfull. A short mention is ok I guess--Tripple-ddd (talk) 23:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

text: * "Wikipedia is supposed to give a worldwide view" Exactly, which is why NA specific products also merit a mention. Did you not notice the Canadian and UK info for the Sega Channel? As for the Nomad info being reduced, I'm fine with that, but you shouldn't just keep it one sentence either. For the removal of various mobile games, it's noteworthy, why do you disagree? It was reported on various websites, and it's fits in with the theme of Sega reshuffling. No, the article shouldn't report every single piece of news, but this wasn't just one or two games being removed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

text: *GameSpot reported that 19 games so far have been removed, along with Sonic 4. I don't think Sega has officially announced the exact games themselves though. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

text: *If there are a few noteworthy removals, then I think it should be included. If Sonic 4 has been removed, as one of the sources provided by Dissident suggests, then that's a fairly major removal. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Like I showed earlier earlier, games from different companies are removed all the time, and don't get into the main company articles. It's inconsistent with other articles on Wikipedia --Tripple-ddd (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Such as...? You haven't given any examples of articles you're basing this decision on, and it's making it harder for us to understand your rationale. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

text: * So just because other users haven't added that info on other articles yet, means you should remove it here? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * I doubt Wikipedia has info on info every single game that is removed from the app store, where things appear and dissapear daily. I really don't get this debacle at all. Also I have yet to see a good argument how the off-hand inclusion is actually consistent with the paragraph of the article. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, the removals of notable mobile titles is an example of how Sega is reducing/rearranging its service focus across the board in recent years, which is what that paragraph is getting into if the subheader is to be believed, isn't it? How is it not consistent? BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Laying off people, closures of offices, and outlining smaller number of packaged games/arcades over the last decade is actually pretty major (which can be detailed alot further as well). In comparision removing apps really isn't. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, it's already been established that one of the mobile games being removed was related to their most precious IP (Sonic), so honestly I'm not seeing how that's any different than the reduced output of packaged games, unless you're mitigating the importance of mobile vs. packaged games based on personal opinion. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 13:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yeah well, it's still just a game that has been removed. It has happened before. The sentence of packaged games is significant because it outlines the output within 10 years.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  quick question for [[User:Tripple-ddd]] 

message: Reverted Tripple's removal of the info, since I don't really get why they took it out based on this discussion or their editsum. Also, do we have a press release or some sort of source on which games were taken down, out of curiosity? BlusterBlasterkablooie! 21:59, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *GameSpot reported that 19 games so far have been removed, along with Sonic 4. I don't think Sega has officially announced the exact games themselves though. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

text: *If there are a few noteworthy removals, then I think it should be included. If Sonic 4 has been removed, as one of the sources provided by Dissident suggests, then that's a fairly major removal. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Like I showed earlier earlier, games from different companies are removed all the time, and don't get into the main company articles. It's inconsistent with other articles on Wikipedia --Tripple-ddd (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Such as...? You haven't given any examples of articles you're basing this decision on, and it's making it harder for us to understand your rationale. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

text: * So just because other users haven't added that info on other articles yet, means you should remove it here? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * I doubt Wikipedia has info on info every single game that is removed from the app store, where things appear and dissapear daily. I really don't get this debacle at all. Also I have yet to see a good argument how the off-hand inclusion is actually consistent with the paragraph of the article. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, the removals of notable mobile titles is an example of how Sega is reducing/rearranging its service focus across the board in recent years, which is what that paragraph is getting into if the subheader is to be believed, isn't it? How is it not consistent? BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Laying off people, closures of offices, and outlining smaller number of packaged games/arcades over the last decade is actually pretty major (which can be detailed alot further as well). In comparision removing apps really isn't. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, it's already been established that one of the mobile games being removed was related to their most precious IP (Sonic), so honestly I'm not seeing how that's any different than the reduced output of packaged games, unless you're mitigating the importance of mobile vs. packaged games based on personal opinion. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 13:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yeah well, it's still just a game that has been removed. It has happened before. The sentence of packaged games is significant because it outlines the output within 10 years.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: arbitrary break

message: A lot of the citing to these slideshows don't have anything like a page reference that says where in the document the info is being sourced from, and these are dozens of pages long so that's a problem-- moreover I've noticed that at least one one statement sourced to these things, the one about Phantasy Star Online 2 in the 2013-present section, doesn't even have anything about PSO2 in it as I ctrl+F'd the .pdf for "phantasy" and turned up no matches, so we may very well have to carefully check any and all cites to these powerpoint presentations to see if they even support anything they're being sourced for. Sigh.
I can't do this from work as viewing PDFs on this stupid old computer means I outright download them, and I don't want my head on a platter for shoving my computer full of random powerpoint presentations about Sega of all things. I might try to do some from home before bed, but I have a lot to do outside of work, so I'll need some help on this one. BLUSTER⌉⌊BLASTER 11:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll check on some later. Was anything that Triple-ddd added not either edited, reverted, or later removed? :/ ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing to the SegaSammy powerpoint PDFs might need to be checked 

message: While Sega is a Japanes company now it was originally a company called Service Games that made slot machines and headquartered in Honolulu. They only moved this operation to Japan in 1951 when the US government started to outlaw slot machines. Based on the fact this they were. It present in Japan until a decade after their founding I see the category calling them a Japanese company of 1940  as dubious.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 04:37, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the category 1940 establishments in Japan accurate?

message: Could somebody change the "US" to "U.S." within "| founded =  (as Service Games)< br > (as Sega)< br >Honolulu, Hawaii, 'US'"?
96.255.203.83 (talk) 02:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2016