Talk:Dick Grayson/Archive 2

message: This archive page covers approximately the dates between May and August 2006
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Please add new archives to Talk:Dick Grayson/Archive03. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I saw this in categories. Could someone give a source? - Neodammerung 03:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a quick look through some issues I thought it would be in, and found nothing.  And yet I can't help feeling it's true, and I read it in one of the books (and no, I'm not the one that put it in the wiki article).  Can someone with one of those DC Encyclopedias see if it's in there?  D1Puck1T 18:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I had that feeling too, but according to this site, DC has never stated Grayson's religion so far. Some writers and artists like Chuck Dixon and Scott McDaniel believe nightwing is a christian, but again, it is not official, its just (IMO) speculation - Neodammerung 03:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian? 

message: As Core mentioned the pages are simply redundant and repeating information. Take all that out and there is one sentence on some obscure character called Van-Zhee, a paragraph on Supes and a sentence on Power-Girl, per the rules of Wikipedia this is not sufficient to entail an entire stub article. Simple as that. All of this info should be merged into the Dick Grayson page because Wiki is not a dictionary.
69.235.249.152
:I fail to see how the page stops being an encyclopedia just by having a short entry. (PS, you can sign your posts with ~~~~) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 17:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of those other Daredevils are Matt Murdock. It's not the same thing at all. --Chris Griswold 05:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Five days or when discussion seems to be over is the standard I've seen, not a couple of weeks. CovenantD 19:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I still don't think your thoughts adress the claim you made about this being a 'dictionary' entry ;) S'alight. That said, the correct way to show the page can be trimmed down is not to just hack the article, but to make an example page. In the sandbox, or off your own user page. Or, if you must, off the talk page. (and it's 5 days on the move page) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 19:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: So, what evidence do we have? Season 1, there were no indications about who Robin really was, with the exception of two small and debatable clues: 1. Robin has relationship with Starfire, which is a Dick Grayson thing to do, and 2. This show is loosely based on the Wolfman/Perez era, and they used Dick. Still, as of Season one, not clear.
But then Season 2 happened and that all changed. In "How Long is Forever?" Starfire travels into the future, and finds that "Robin" has since become "Nightwing." Now, Dick Grayson was the only one who has ever followed that character Evolution, so the "Robin is Dick" theory gained momentum. In fact, some, (like myself,) felt this actually proved it was Dick Grayson. However, others here felt that the whole thing was far from resolved. (Even if I thought it should have been.)
Then, In "Fractured," We see that an Alternate Universe version of Robin has come through the dimensional rift to admire his hero, the TT Robin. This alt-Robin was given the name Larry when his true name proved unpronouncible. His true name was "Nosyarg Kcid," Which as the episode itself pointed out, is "Dick Grayson" spelled Backwards. Once again, many felt that this proved that Robin is Dick, but as others once again pointed out, Larry is hardly a reliable source, so us Grayson supporters still had to sit on our hands.
Finally, in Season 3, the episode "Haunted" proved to be the clincher, which settled for just about everyone Robin's identity, though just a few have argued with it. In said episode, Raven travels into Robin's mind and see's flashbacks of his life, including the time he swore his oath to Batman to fight at his side, and, here's the Kicker, when we saw The Flying Graysons fall to their death! Most people have assumed this has settled things, that Robin is Dick Grayson and TT is outside of the DCAU. - 75.32.106.229
:Even though we have all this hints and stuff, the robin of the animated series is not only dick grayson. For example, the costume and the bo-staff are from tim drake's robin; and the dead of the flying graysons was also watched by tim. Besides, the show's producer Glen Murakami states that this robin is a more "iconic" character, as he created him to be a hero that people could identify with - Neodammerung 06:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The costume Robin wears in Batman (animated) was designed after the Tim Drake (comics) version, so the chicken and egg argument about that one continues.  Frankly, I'd say it's Grayson, but since this Robin is some what of an amalgam of Tim and Dick, I lean towards saying that it's suggested but left to interperatation. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 16:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a bad idea to base the Robin's identity on his costume on Teen Titans; after all, there's no way in hell that Grayson's original costume would have been approved for the show. :P EVula 16:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you cite source on that quote? (The leggings/cape showed up with Earth 2 Dick, yes, but the colors were different. The short sleeves and green unitard is a Tim Bit.  I'd argue Tim's current costume is more like Earth2 Dick's than his original costume). -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: When the show started, I had a feeling that this version of Robin was Dick. Guess I was right all along, although my friends said it was Tim!Jonathan.Bruce 5:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teen Titans Animated Show is Dick Grayson 

message: To what extent did Dick receive training from Dragon?
- colossus34
:Unclear in my opinion, because I am unclear if Dixon's Richard Dragon series will be considered canon in the post Infinite Crisis earth.  It retconned and contradicted a lot of things, and some of those changes don't seem to have stuck.  At the moment I am cautiously offering the opinion that it's not canonical any more.  The version of The Question seen in 52 seems to be the one trained to control his anger by Richard Dragon, something that doesn't seem possible with Dixon's angry Dragon.  So, going by that and a few other small things, it doesn't seem like Dixon's series is still canon.  But hopefully we'll find out for sure with the upcoming appearance of Bronze Tiger in Checkmate and the upcoming Dixon series about Connor Hawke.  At the moment I suggest a "wait and see" policy, until those books come out.D1Puck1T 20:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Dragon Training 

message: Could someone divide his bio into Golden/Silver/Modern Age sections, where applicable (specifically, add/rearrange info about his origin)? I read a cheap reprint of his original origin story some time ago, and I'm quite sure most details in the present "origin" part are additions/retcons. Uthanc 09:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin versions 

message: Currently Dick is batman, thus him in the batsuit should be his current main picture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.89.191 (talk) 03:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing Picture 

message: Does anyone know of any references in current, post-IC continuity, as to Dick's age?  I know that in the article, it states that he was 12 now when his parents were murdered.  Is the DCU still on a twelve year sliding scale, making him 24?  It seems like he should be in his later twenties by now, but that's just my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.96.66 (talk) 02:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately Wiki is not a place for opinions, but I would say Dick is 23-26. Tim would be 17, & Jason probably 17-23. (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick's Age 

message: Should their be at least SOME mention of her here? Shes not exactly non-canon. And with "Damion" being brought further into the continuity...
The same goes for Starfires article.....the daughters kina of an important tidbit, regardless of reality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.2.239.251 (talk) 06:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She's an Elseworlds character, so that's where she gets mentioned.  Alternate versions of Robin mentions her, I believe.  Unless she's introduced into the regular DCU continuity (or in an animated version), she stays out. --Blckng 07:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightstar 

message: What section should I add this too??? Other media?
http://www.sfne.com/index.php?cat=gallery&gallery=nw
:Good question.  I'd almost say 'In other media'... -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightwing theme PArk ride 

message: The page was long, there was very little 'new' discussion to be had, so I archived and now we can start over :) Merry Ramadan! -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived 

message: I think we should add Secret Society of Super Villains in allainces and categories. Even though he just joined for esponiage or other stuff. Brian Boru is awesome 14:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alliances 

message: Per a discussion at Talk:Batman_Family#Discussion, it seems that there is agreement that 'Batman Family refers to the comic book publication and supporting characters of Batman refers to the affiliation of people that surrounds the main character. I'd like to get some input before I try to find wording that reflects this. CovenantD 23:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those articles do refer to those subjects, yes; however, Birds of Prey and Runaways refer to the comic book series and not official team names, and we do use as shorthand for affiliations. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 00:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alliances - Batman Family 

message: In issue # 127 Nightwing reierates that his "mind is his greatest weapon" and says that he's always been considered a "savant" and that it clearly explains why he can see patterns in ways normal people can't. Marv Wolfman says in an interview that he always saw it that way and it was why Dick was the only person in the DCU to be able to solve the mystery of Who is Donna Troy? This should be added to skills/abilties. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.101.15 (talk) 08:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read the Autistic Savant article, and it heavily implies that the downside to the savant abilities is some sort of mental impairment.  I'm not a doctor, and I'd be loathe, without some in universe statement of Dick being classified as such, to add any claims of savantism to the article.  While Marv Wolfman may have created Nightwing, he did not invent Robin or Dick Grayson.  His desires not withstanding, no one in the DCU has said Dick's a savant, in those words, and it's speculation to say that he is.  Simply put: Dick's a master detective, he's a frigging genius, but we have no 'without a doubt' proof that he's a savant. Yet. Get a link for an article where Marv says it outright, or scan a panel of a comic where it's there in plain text. Otherwise, we're guessing and assuming, and neither of those belongs in an encyclopedia. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 17:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I just re-read Nightwing just now.  Nightwing says his mind is his greatest weapon, and then calls himself an idiot savant, in direct reference to his love life.  Smart guy, sucks with girls. I think this stays out. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 23:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightwing is an Autistic Savant 

message: I reverted RonBatfreak's edits because we don't know which Nightwing it is in Gotham at the moment. There are contradictory news articles on the matter, and in Gotham, he's 'Nightwing' and not Dick or (the likely suspect) Jason. Please, let's keep it out of Dick's page until we can confirm it within in the pages of 52. I put the information on the Nightwing page in the meantime. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 19:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightwing and Batwoman 

message: I removed the future mention because we don't know who 'Red Robin' is, and putting it here is speculative and borderline original research.  I mentioned this on the users talk page, but they seem to be ignoring that. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 03:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this in reference to Kingdom Come? I do believe that is Grayson, and Drake is a pilot. If it's not in the actual series directly, it's in the cards or other supplemental elements. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 05:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DC also released a teaser image a week or so back with almost zilch information. One of the characters in the image was Red Robin. Fan spec is that it's for either WW3 or the rumored follow up to 52 --- a 52 issue weekly starting the week after 52 ends, numbered 51 through 0, and focusing on the multiverse. — J Greb 05:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Right, but it's spec.  Like how we didn't know which Nightwing was in 52, hitting on Batwoman.  Until we know, we should play it safe. And god help me, Chris ... there's MORE Kingdom Come? I'm going to stick my fingers in my ears and sing 'la la la!' *sigh* I like it as an Elseworlds but can they PLEASE leave it alone? k'thnx'bye. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future 

message: *Greg Land  -- See comments... - J Greb 07:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A straw poll is not a vote; It's used to determine what users think. It's clear from this poll that Sook and Land are the two choices and that Sook is more popular. However, it's also been determined that Sook violates WP:COMIC policy, whereas Land does not. Which leaves the question, should we violate policy for Nightwing and if so, why? Dlong 04:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice