Talk:Doomsday (Doctor Who)

message: Does anyone have any information on the music for the final reunion scene on Bad Wolf Bay?  The one with the female warbling and the piano going plink... plink... plink... continually on the same note?  Because I think it is fab, and would happily purchase it ;) --Harris 21:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's slow and solemn, it's possibly Flavia's theme (or a variation). It's used when thinks get too time-lordy. Will (message me!) 21:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a somewhat uptempo version of Flavia's theme, although in none of the materials I've seen has anybody identified it as such. If you want to hear it for yourself it's currently being played on the official site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho). -- MisterHand 22:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That photo of Rose is distinctly unflattering. It looks like she has a moustache. Vitriol 23:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's another great Murray Gold piece. It's mentioned in the commentary (Julie Gardner says she was humming it for two weeks after hearing it the first time; I know the feeling!). If you go to the BBC Doctor Who page, hit News and Contact Us, you'll see this bit: "What was that music on the beach? It was specially composed by Murray Gold. We've still no news of a soundtrack album." Shame. I'd buy it too. It's my ringtone at the moment. :-) --DudeGalea 17:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "We've still no news of a soundtrack album." Bugger! I would buy it in an instant. Doctor Who is very popular, and the music stands out as gorgeous, so why not profit and please the fans? It bewilders me. Is there a rights issue being worked out? TransUtopian 16:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Good news, everyone. From BBC today: "We're pleased to tell you that Murray Gold's wonderful soundtrack to Doctor Who will be making its way to CD in the near future. BBC Worldwide are working with the composer to release the highlights from his Doctor Who scores on CD. While we don't have a release date, we felt we'd tell you as soon as possible. Thanks to everyone for the deluge of emails about the "singy lady", the "beach thing (i cried)", and, of course, the theme." --DudeGalea 16:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: Wonder if they wrote it out on purpose, the same way they tired to write out the sonic screwdriver way back when. Was kind of taking the fun out of it if all he has to do is flash a blank bit of paper and people suddenly accept that he's who he says he is--71.247.243.152 04:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't they also "write out" Rose's superphone at one stage ;) He'll probably either magically have it back or just make a new one. I think it's more useful for the production team to have around than to be completely without it- they could always have someone challenge his stated identity (like in the Long Game) if they don't want it to be a quick-fix, but then it's still there if they need it. --86.144.60.11 09:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He could easily have a spare in the TARDIS. Alternatively, they could switch to a different magic gizmo next year (though the sonic screwdriver will likely remain) or just have him get along without it, to have an additional change from the Rose years. He got along fine without it for 26 years (900 Time Lord spans). TransUtopian 16:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in rose's stolen lab coat, which she threw on the sphere room floor, or alternitivly in Singh's coat. Either way, he probebly noticed it was gone when he checked his coat, and went back for it. 84.69.2.42 21:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack had psychic paper when we first saw him, so it's not a unique artefact. 84.69.0.192 19:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's probably a whole ream of it in the TARDIS. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 20:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Doctor never does get his psychic paper back, does he? 

message: Is it my imagination or does David Tennant break into his natural accent during the goodbye scene? Matthew Platts 20:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goodbye Scene Accent 

message: The Doctor says that they cannot meet again - for the second time.
Three people (Rose, Jackie and Mickey) from our-universe reside in parallel universe, and the Cybermen and others crossed in the reverse direction - so there is a possibility of it happening again.
Alternatively they end up in a third parallel universe and avoid any paradoxes...
Jackiespeel 22:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't this belong on Outpost Gallifrey rather than wikipedia??? :-) quercus robur 22:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallel Universes

message: I can understand there should be a details episode summary for key episodes such as this, but the plot summary just goes on and on and on, it's not easily readable and would take a good few minutes to plow through properly. It doesn't need to detail every single thing that happens in the episode word for word. 83.151.197.97 19:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the love of god prune the plot! 

message: (spoiler warning, though at this point i don't know if it matters)
This was a great episode, it actually made me cry.  But I don't get how Mr. Tyler would know exactly when and where to jump to the other Earth just in time to catch and save Rose.  Is it worth pointing this out somewhere? (Corby 13:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really deus ex machina. Pete might have just been lucky, he might not have known at all, but its still not deus ex machina - it's reasonably believable luck. Now if Rose had been sucked into the void and then miraculously spat out on the Pete's World side with no apparent explanation, THAT would be deus ex machina. --GracieLizzie 14:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Pete's timing could have been luck, but he materialises with his arms outstretched. Unless people jumping dimensions can see the world for a second before they actually materialise? Damiancorrigan 14:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot (deus ex machina)

message: (Another spoiler warning, but as noted above it probably doesn't matter)
I think it is a notable continuity fact that this is the first episode in the history of Doctor Who in which the Doctor is actually shown weeping. I've seen every existing episode of the original and new series and I cannot think of any other occasion in which he's shown crying, thought the Ninth Doctor comes close when he tells Rose "You were fantastic" in Parting of the Ways. Before I add this, however, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of another occasion, in case my memory is faulty. 23skidoo 14:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He sheds a single tear in The End of the World, when Jabe says that she knows what happened to his people and she's so sorry. But I agree that Doomsday is the first time we see the Doctor weep, and that's probably noteworthy. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fact check requested

message: Not sure that's a correct translation for "Bad Wolf Bay".  In Danish, at least, "dårlig" is used as in "bad stomach".  If the meaning is as in "bad wolf", the word would be "slemme" - not sure if that's the same in Norwegian.  And "stranden" is "the beach".  "Bugt" would be "bay".  So, in Danish at least, I would expect the translation to be more like "Slemme Ulv Bugt" ... Daen 03:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dårlig Ulv Stranden?

message: I've remove the following paragraph:
*There is a parallel Torchwood in the parallel London. In "Tooth and Claw", Queen Victoria creates Torchwood after the Doctor's visit. He never visited the parallel earth before "Rise of the Cybermen", so, there should not be a parallel Torchwood. A possible explanation for the parallel Torchwood, is that in one episode, the Doctor says, "Each choice creates a new world." It is possible that when Queen Victoria decided to create the first Torchwood Institute, a new world was created, the same as our world is at that exact moment. Other decisions would have created the differences between the two worlds.
This is original research.  It is possible that in removing this paragraph I have removed material that, shorn of the speculation, might belong in the article. --Tony Sidaway 10:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not complete speculation in that this is a sequel to the first, and therefore anything described in this story, "cracks in between universes", can reasonably be applied to the first story, "cracks in between universes" (unless stated otherwise). DonQuixote 19:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's still http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research::
    Robin.lemstra 14:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moot point, the continuity part has been reorganised. Will (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallel Torchwood

message: I propose the next item is removed from "The Void"
Because it is quite speculative.
"The Doctor states that travel between universes was impossible until the Daleks broke down the walls between worlds with the void ship. This may explain the crack in time that the TARDIS fell through in "Rise of the Cybermen" to reach the parallel Earth in the first place."
Robin.lemstra 17:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not complete speculation in that this is a sequel to the first, and therefore anything described in this story, "cracks in between universes", can reasonably be applied to the first story, "cracks in between universes" (unless stated otherwise). DonQuixote 19:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's still http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research::
    Robin.lemstra 14:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moot point, the continuity part has been reorganised. Will (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: complete speculation

message: OK, so I understand most of the article gets its information from two external links. But the average reader doesn't know that. The lead should also be rewritten to better reflect the whole article, including a plot description, (get rid of that useless synopsis section). The plot could be shortened too, and there are no reviews (eg. IGN, who reviewed every season two and three episode).
Still, it's fine apart from that, and I hope other such Doctor Who articles can improve to this level before the notability inquisition comes in. Alientraveller 17:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to shorten the plot without removing quite a bit of context, trust me. Will (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: OK, the renom has passed. Alientraveller 21:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pass

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 00:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps (Pass)

message: I wanted to get that kind of throbbing, sort of hurt, sound of quite emotional rock, because I
 thought that's Rose would do if she was hurting and ran up to her bedroom and locked herself 
 in her room and had a good old cry, really."
Above is the quote made by Murray Gold, copied exactly as it appears in the article. It needs correcting as it does not make sense (possibly vandalism??) Does anyone know what this is supposed to say? yettie0711 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes more sense without the typo -- it's probably "quiet emotional rock". DonQuixote (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, nevermind.  It makes sense with "quite" as well.  Don't know what I was sniffing when I read that.  Anyway, what he meant was that the music reflects how she felt during that scene, which is exactly like if she locked herself in her room and had a good crying session. DonQuixote (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote does not make sense

message: It's very hard to mention this without going into a huge rant at how awful this episode was, but should it not be in the article that the very crux of the whole void-stuff device, and thus the whole point of the climax, renders Pete's rescuing of Rose completely non-sensical? Can that be mentioned in a neutral and non-OR manner? Perhaps a reviewer has picked up on this at some point and that could be sourced? U-Mos (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really a plot hole since it doesn't affect the plot.  It's more like a rabbit out of a hat (or a slight deus ex machina) in that it's there to save the heroine from death.  It's like what happened at the end of The Doctor's Daughter.  Chalk it up to artistic licence. DonQuixote (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: That can be put down to good luck and artstic license, but the fact the TARDIS was not sucked through is a plot hole. Also, the fact that the Cybermen outside the Taj Mahal were pulled upwards in the sky - which is away from the 'Torchwood Tower'  - could be considered a plot hole - although this sort of discussion is more relevant for a Doctor Who forum than a Wikipedia article. Personally, I think to describe the episode as 'awful' is perhaps a little harsh - although I agree that the conclusion is rather messy and badly written. Despite this - from what I can tell - it is the most popular series finale and one of the most popular episodes, although that is probably purely because it gave fans (new and old) the Cybermen vs Daleks episode they had long been waiting for. Alienturnedhuman (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Hole, no wait - Plot CHASM 

message: Seeing as Rose is counted as a companion for her role in "Turn Left" and Martha is counted as one in "Sontaran Strategem"/"Poison Sky", Mickey should be counted as one for these this two-parter. Ophois (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is stretching it really far. Mickey was not a traveling companion in Doomsday.  — Edokter • Talk •  15:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither were Rose or Martha in the episodes mentioned above. And neither was Jack in "The Empty Child", nor Astrid in "Voyage of the Damned". Ophois (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They have earned their status as a companion, either in following consecutive episodes (Jack), By statement of the producers (Astrid), or by accreditation (Rose). Sarah Jane was also not a companion in School Reunion, but was in The Stolen Earth / Journey's End. In short; a companion's appearence in one episode does not make it a companion in all other episodes.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying to add him for all other episodes. He is credited as a companion before this two-parter, and in "Journey's End", fulfilling pretty much the same role in this episode as in the latter. If he is to be considered a companion in "Journey's End", then he should be in this two-parter. The same with Sarah Jane. Ophois (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't have a companion role here, and I'm not too sure about his role in Journey's End either.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Martha doesn't have a companion role in "Sontaran Strategem". Ophois (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again... accreditation.  — Edokter • Talk •  23:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in the episode does it say that she is a companion? It merely says that she is a star of the episode. Ophois (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry if it seems that I'm being difficult. But it doesn't make sense to have two returning companions to be labelled differently, just because one of the actors isn't labelled as a star of the episode. Ophois (talk) 01:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Ophois on this one. I wouldn't credit him as a companion for Arm of Ghosts but he plays just as much the part of The Doctor's companion as Rose does. It seems right that he should be credited as a companion on this particular episode. BionicMK (BionicMK) 00:38, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey as companion 

message: I've seen the episode Rise of the Cybermen recently in my country, and this discussion about the existence of a parallel seems out of place for me. So I went to the article of that episode and I copy this fragment from the Continuity section:
"There are two Torchwood references in this episode, one in the news report that Rose watches on her mobile phone which mentions the Torchwood Institute, and during the party, when Pete Tyler identifies a party-goer as "the guy from Torchwood". This implies that the Institute is either more public on this parallel Earth or is not the same type of organisation (or both)."
It's obvious, Torchwood exists, although it cannot be the same organisation as it is in 'this' reality.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.79.136.171 (talk) 00:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Existence of Torchwood in the alternate reality 

message: It is said by the person that reverted my change that "it's emphatically One Canada Square, which is known to the public far and large as Canary Wharf (Tower)"
Which may be true, but "far and large" doesn't stretch to this small part of Australia, where I'd never heard of Canary Wharf.  So I clicked the link labeled "Canary Wharf" and was presented with information about some building IN Canary Wharf, rather than about Canary Wharf itself.
Perhaps the link(s) should be Canary Wharf (Tower).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.235.106.169 (talk) 23:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the whole plot is set in that building, while being referred to as "the battle of Canary Wharf", it is reasonable to link to the building.  — Edokter • Talk •  23:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to "Canary Wharf" or "One Canada Square". 

message: This section does not have any cites to independent reliable secondary sources. Do any secondary sources give this material significant discussion? If not, the subsection should be removed. Cirt (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Removed by  =  Thank you very much, most appreciated, Cirt (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity section problem 

message: I watched it just now, and it's pretty clear that only Dalek Caan escaped through the emergency temporal shift, just before it sucks in the ark. I believe he's the only one of the four that shows up in a later episode.Jeff (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Skaros or just Dalek Caan? 

message: Hi
During the opyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:
;Conception
*"he didn't know when asked by Collinson on the commentary," (para 3) - what is the commentary that is being referred to?
;Filming
*I have linked some regions which may or not be necessary, feel free to revert if necessary.
;Broadcast and pre-airing media blackout
*I have added an explanation of what the Fear Factor is, as well as that the Fear Factor website does not have a fear rating as per the beginning of the sentence, which describes them not being allowed to see it.
;Lead
*The lead says "... Doctor Who episodes since the show's revival.", whilst the opening lead sentence simply mentions the "... final episode in the second series of ..." without clarifying that this is the second series since the shows revival, as technically the second series was List_of_Doctor_Who_serials#Season 2 (1964–1965).
I hope this was satisfactory; but if there are any contentious edits feel free to remove them. Chaosdruid (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On the series issue, the 2006 series is commonly known as series 2, whereas the 1964 series is known as season 2. It's an idiosyncratic practice unique to Doctor Who. Sceptre (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit July 2011 

message: "Doomsday" is the thirteenth and final episode in the second series of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who". "Second series"? that can't be right. The second series would have been in the 1960s. Adpete (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I see the comment immediately above. But this article is for a general audience, not Doctor Who buffs, so if Doctor Who has "idiosyncratic" naming convention then this should be properly documented and linked to. Adpete (talk) 02:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second series? 

message: I know she was credited as "The Bride" at the end of the episode but for the sake of purpose and just generally to be less confusing to those who don't know, why not just have Catherine Tate listed as Donna Noble anyway - we know who she is and what her name is and it just seems pointless to list her as something else. It's a bit like listing The Master's disguises as there own anogramed name instead of just listing Anthony Aniely. I think it should be changed personaly but you may dissagree. BionicMK (BionicMK) 00:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donna as "The Bride"

message: First, I apologize if this is a silly suggestion, as I am new to Wikipedia editing, so please bear with me and try to resist the urge to laugh me out of the forum, though do feel free to delete this if it does reek of being a newbie comment.
Suggestions/timid proposals for updating:
#"features Billie Piper's last appearance in the lead companion role as Rose Tyler"
 should this read like the others with the use of "regular appearance" since she returns for the "Turn Left" trilogy? Or is that covered by "lead" companion role?
#"The episode is one of the most popular Doctor Who episodes since the show's revival."
 should there be an addition of "at the time of the initial publication of this article", or, "the time of the episodes release"?
Other things:
#"...the Doctor's farewell to Rose, was filmed on 16 January 2006 ... Piper's last scene was Rose's reunion with the Doctor in "The Satan Pit" on 31 March,[9] but the shoot was rather emotional,[5] to the point there were several tears on set."
 the wording of this seems misleading to me, because in the 2 parter of "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit", there isn't a reunion between the Doctor and Rose, though it could be considered a final reunion between Tennant and Piper, which I could see as emotional for the actors but not the characters. Though i could be wrong.
#And finally, for the dated material at the end, should that also have some parenthetical statement as I mentioned above, indicating the time period in which the stated statistics were true, as apposed to actually including all the data up to the present?
--SpeakNSpirit (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Need of Updating? 

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