Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (AFC)

message: This does not sound right at all, I cant find any official information from the AFC but Asia has NEVER used Asian Cup results as a basis for WCQ!
:Correct, AFC has never used the finishing positions of the previous asian cup as seedings for the world cup (which spoon added that?). In fact, there have been two methods used in determining the AFC seeds in the last 2 WCs. For WC02, they were based on World Rankings. For WC06, they were based on the finishing positions in the previous WC qualifying campaign. Who knows which method will be used? Rankings? Previous WC positions? I have feeling it will be as follows: 
::*QR - world rankings (bottom teams in QR, regardless to previous WC position);
::*GS1 - Previous WC positions (Australia number 1 seed!!!);
::*GS2 - Previous WC positions
:For previous WC positions, the are teams are place in the following order:
::*Teams that qualified for WCF and those that progessed the furthest;
::*Teams knockout in GS2
::*Teams knockout in GS1
::*Teams knockout in preliminary round
::*Teams that did not enter.
:Within each 'group' teams are separated via - points; goal difference; goals for; World ranking
:FYI the following is the seedings for the group stage if indeed the seeds are based on previous WC positions: Australia, South Korea, Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Uzbekistan, Kuwait, North Korea, China, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Syria, Palestine, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Indonesia, Tajikistan, Hong Kong, Yeman, Vietnam, Kyrgyzstan, Maldives, India, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Taiwan, Laos, Bangladesh, Macao, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mongolia, then the others who did not enter the last WC in ranking order...
:::--Fridge46 19:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have reverted this section to take out the additoins by Mussav, but I will explain why here.  There is no definite position for sides in the second round as yet, so even the position of Indonesia is not definite.  However, if (as might be expected) all remaining matches go with seedings then Indonesia will go here.  I don't think we can put Winner A v B as an option as the result of the tie will completely alter the result (ie, East Timor cannot ever be Seed 12 and China could never be Seed 19).  I hope this is clear.  The only options that can reasonably be put in Second Round at this point are this one or just leaving it blank with the seeding numbers.Jlsa 06:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Second Round display

message: You made a mistake in the final round. if teams are divided into two groups of five then 
shouldn't they play 8 games.
:: Yes they play 8 games. But there are 10 match days, because in each day, 4 teams play and 1 team rest Calapez 01:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Each team will play 8 games, but in 2 matchday days, the team will have to rest in order to the other 4 teams play each other.. 8 + 2 = 10 matchdays. They choose to have 10 teams in the finals, so they had to split them in 2 groups (5 each) Calapez 03:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake 

message: Thong Nhat Stadium in Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) will be the home stadium of Myanmar football team.Peanux 09:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Home Stadium of Myanmar

message: The table is split into rounds (but ordered by total).  Some players may score a lot of goals in these initial rounds and that will be noted.  There will probably need to be some sort of "code" for teams not playing (a "-" would make sense) and something else for an eliminated team (an "x" or a ".") Jlsa 00:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goalscorers

message: Why was the DPR Korea v Mongolia match stopped? Will there be a replay?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.57.176 (talk) 01:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly.  However, the only reference I've seen to the match (the Guardian) suggests there was no stoppage - only the result was not released.  Normally, that would seem stupid, but this is North Korea we're talking about, so you cannot rule that out.Jlsa 13:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Korea DPR v Mongolia

message: I have proposed one kind at Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)#Results Tables please see if it is liked, and i will provide them here. F9T 21:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results table for Groups 

message: Is there a reason to list all goalscorers of qualification? I think the table should be cropped up to leave out players with only 1 or 2 goals, because there is no point in having all the goalscorers listed. Artyom (talk • contribs) 14:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  All goalscorers? 

message: With two matches to go, the worst case scenario for Saudi Arabia is that Lebanon draw level with them on points. But Saudi Arabia has beaten Lebanon twice. Is the first tiebreaker goal difference or head-to-head? Bush shep (talk) 20:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first tiebreaker for (all) of the qualifiers is goal difference, so atm they can get overtaken by Singapore. Aheyfromhome (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. Turns out to be a stupid question: I thought it was Lebanon on three points. Erk. Bush shep (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has Saudi Arabia progressed? 

message: If Iraq qualify, don't they take the 5th seed, so they would enter Pot 3 and push Bahrain into Pot 4?? This is because, if Iraq qualify they will have their fixtures clash with the FIFA Confederations Cup in 2009
Druryfire (talk) 20:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Round Four Seedings 

message: There's a discussion in the CONCACAF section where someone wants to change the format of all goalscorers including this page and other confederations.  In case you want to take part in the discussion before the tables here are changed, please have a look.  goalscorers Vorlath (talk) 19:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  goalscorers 

message: On September 11 2008, I made a few edits adding information relating seedings, e.g. "Pot A consisted of teams who earned at least five points in the Second Round of the 2006 qualifying competition.", "Palestine were thus the only Pot A team who did not reach the second round, while Singapore were the only Pot B team who did."
The next day, Jlsa undid all my changes, writing "(As written, this is too much like editorial content (paragraphs starting with 'So' are never a good idea). Maybe if rewritten, rephrased or something.) "
Now, I am reluctant to enter an editing war with Jlsa, who has added many valuable comments to Wikipedia.  Nonetheless, I was surprised by this editing.  "Editorial content" is usually taken to mean statements of opinion rather than fact: I am of course happy for the removal of any of my statements if they are not correct facts.  The statement "paragraphs starting with 'So' are never a good idea" may or may not be a valid opinion, but it is not Wikipedia standard policy.
Jlsa's comment "Maybe if rewritten, rephrased or something" was undoubtedly well-meaning.  Nonetheless, it is not clear how the information on seeding could be added to Wikipedia in a way that meets Jlsa's standards.  The editing process is most effective when editors take a page forwards, rather than backwards: many editors thus prefer to alter rather than delete. Pete Ridges (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your argument without viewing the situation in detail. I hope that editors always attempt to improve on articles as a work in progress and not omit such that doesn't meet their personal expectations. However I must stress I haven't looked at the edits to gain a complete understanding of this situation. I appreciate your efforts to improve wiki and I hope that you continue to do so and we've all been through something like this. Keep going mate. Lympathy  Talk 15:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably "editorial" wasn't the most helpful description - it is a combination of two problems.  First, it read like a stream of consciousness monologue, and the information seemed to verge on the trivial (and trivia sections are discouraged).  For example, I'm not sure what the import of the "all teams in Pot A got 5 points in 2006 qualifying" comment.  So what?  Seeding is not tied the idea of 5 points, it is tied to performance, which leads to 5 points (and even then, if this is a hard cut-off it would only be by coincidence).  Finally, (and this applies to other similar sections, notably in CONCACAF), it appears to provide some strange analysis of "upsets", which are really saying whether a team in a band determined by performance in 2006 (for AFC) or rankings from mid-2007 (for CONCACAF) outperformed a team in a higher band at that time, regardless of the relative strengths of the sides when the matches were played.  This is where the comments veer towards the editorial, it is "personal analysis and comment by inclusion", that is, by adding it, you are in effect commenting (in an editorial sense) on the effectiveness of the original seedings. I hope this clears up my discomfort with the inclusion of these sections. Jlsa (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seeding details, now deleted

message: The Preliminary Draw Information sheet from FIFA named the rounds as Stage One, Two, Three, Four, and Five for First, Second, Third, Fourth Round, and the Play-off Round. I think we should change it back. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 04:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (Sadly) I think you are right (I'm not sure what the rationale for undoing your changes was as it was not commented on, just done).  Note, however, that the interconfed playoff is like a "Stage 6", so it is separate from Stage 5 (which is how you had it before).Jlsa (talk) 04:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: Can't seem to find how to edit the note in Group 4 to add that Qiu Li was the player in question which caused Singapore to get punished by FIFA. Icedwater (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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