Talk:Robert H. Foglesong

message: Wiki History is written by the victors, or in this case the people who didn't know the man.  He appears to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.  Nothing about him diverting Med Evac flights so he can land "Ol' Triple 7" or how we wasted the tax payer's money painting buildings which where slated for demo...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.169.148 (talk) 05:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the Doc we knew... 

message: I removed them all:
"Great Bulldog Nation"
"I fell in love with 480 knots."
"One State, One Team"
"Check Six"
"Thanks for all you do"
"Hey, I just got done flying (insert aircraft)"
"That was a real nice thing, I'm not gonna lie to you."
"L.T., you're fired".
Because they are not notable, and make the page read like a fanpage.  --Adam Brink 15:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'common terms and phrases' 

message: I have cut all of this:
'== Assignments ==
1. April 1972 - March 1973, student, undergraduate pilot training, Columbus Air Force Base, Miss.
2. August 1973 - June 1976, T-41 instructor pilot, 557th Flying Training Squadron, Peterson Field, Colo., and U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colo.
3. July 1976 - April 1977, Aide-De-Camp to the Commander, Air Forces Korea, 314th Air Division, Osan Air Base, South Korea
4. May 1977 - January 1979, AT-33 and EB-57 instructor pilot, flight examiner and assistant operations officer, 17th Defense Systems Evaluation Squadron, Malmstrom AFB, Mont.
5. February 1979 - January 1980, AT-33 instructor pilot and Commander, Detachment 1, 24th Air Defense Squadron, Malmstrom AFB, Mont.
6. February 1980 - December 1982, F-15 pilot and squadron scheduler, 9th Tactical Fighter Squadron; chief of quality assurance, 49th Tactical Fighter Wing; and Commander, 49th Component Repair Squadron, Holloman AFB, N.M.
7. January 1983 - May 1985, Special Assistant for Tactical Issues and Executive Officer for the Deputy Chief Of Staff For Research, Development and Acquisition, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
8. June 1985 - May 1987, Special Assistant to the Commander, and Chief, Combat Analysis Division, Headquarters Tactical Air Command, Langley AFB, Va.
9. June 1987 - June 1988, F-16 pilot and Assistant Deputy Commander for Operations, 31st Tactical Fighter Wing, Homestead AFB, Fla.
10. July 1988 - June 1990, Chief of Staff of the Air Force Chair and Professor of Joint and Combined Warfare, National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.
11. July 1990 - February 1991, F-16 pilot and Chief of Maintenance, 347th Tactical Fighter Wing, Moody AFB, Ga.
12. February 1991 - March 1993, Director, Chief of Staff of the Air Force's Staff Group, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
13. April 1993 - December 1993, Commander, 14th Flying Training Wing, Columbus AFB, Miss.
14. January 1994 - November 1995, Commander, 51st Fighter Wing, Osan AB, South Korea
15. December 1995 - July 1997, Deputy Director for Politico-Military Affairs, the Joint Staff, Washington, D.C.
16. August 1997 - August 1999, Assistant to the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Washington, D.C.
17. September 1999 - August 2000, Commander, 12th Air Force and U.S. Southern Command Air Forces, Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz.
18. August 2000 - November 2001, Deputy Chief Of Staff for Air and Space Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
19. November 2001 - August 2003, Vice Chief of Staff, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
20. August 2003 - December 2004, U.S. Air Forces in Europe; Commander, Allied Air Component Command Ramstein; and Air Component Commander, U.S. European Command, Ramstein AB, Germany
21. January 2005 - present, Commander, U.S. Air Forces in Europe; Commander, Allied Air Component Command Ramstein; Air Component Commander, U.S. European Command, Ramstein AB, Germany; and Director, Multinational Joint Air Power Competence Centre, Kalkar, Germany''''
This is an encyclopedia, not a log book.   ---- Adam Brink (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'assignments' 

message: I edited the page to include relevant information about how Dr. Foglesong's time at Mississippi State has been perceived by both students and faculty, which is quite negatively.  I cited this with 4 different pages, two of which are facebook groups composed almost entirely of Mississippi State students where they have voiced their concerns with Dr. Foglesong.  These changes were removed with the note that the citations did not provide support for the stated claims.  If the comments on the groups were read, anybody could see that many students are in fact quite dissatisfied with his "leadership."  In addition to the two facebook groups, I also linked to two news articles about how the faculty dislike his leadership and I know that the claims I made about that were backed up by those articles.  I could change it back, but I don't feel like waging a war on wikipedia to make sure that the truth is heard.  If we could come to some consensus about this, I would prefer that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.18.115.66 (talk) 01:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time at Mississippi State 

message: I have cut the following out:  
==Council on Foreign Relations==
He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.''
I have found no evidence for it.  If you have some you can put it back.
--Adam Brink (talk) 10:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFR 

message: I have cut the following section out: Notable Accomplishments - While USAFE Commander, Gen Foglesong became famous for his Armed Forces Network morale building PSAs.  These PSAs used his now familiar catch phrase "Don't forget get to...check your six."  These commercials were often filmed in front of his famous F-16 Fighting Falcon, nicknamed the "Triple Nickel."   That isn't notable...  Just to re-cap:  Foglesong himself is not very notable - he is one of a large number of generals that the US has generated in the last century.  If he merits an entry - and it is far from clear to me that he does - he merits a couple of sentences, nothing more.  Even if he was notable, what is mentioned about him here would be trivia, and should be cut for that reason as well.  --Adam Brink (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-notable 'notable achievements' 

message: I have removed this: While at USAFE his often erratic/egocentric behavior caused many in his direct chain of command to question the Air Force's ability to select and promote the most capable officers.http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index.php?/topic/13965-the-foglesong-thread/.
May be so, but forum chatter is not proper substantiation of a fact.
I have removed some more abuse. Alright, you all hate the guy.  But share it with your therapist, or substantiate it with proper sources. --Adam Brink (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  forum chatter abuse 

message: He didn't save the daffodils!  He had them dug up and destroyed the Crepe Myrtles at the sports complex!  He also had the Art and Architecture Departments remove work visible outside their facilities. This article has so many inaccuracies that I'm sure it was written by Foglesong or his PR people.  What fluff!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.115.105 (talk) 00:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saved the Daffodils my *%@! 

message: Facilities is spelled wrong in the section After Retirement. Someone registered should fix this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.57.82 (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facilitites