Talk:Michał Kamiński

message: If anyone's good at translation, there's a sizeable article on Kamiński's former party on the Polish Wikipedia at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zjednoczenie_Chrze%C5%9Bcija%C5%84sko-Narodowe Timrollpickering (talk) 10:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian National Union 

message: Should there be anything on this page about MacShane's allegations against him here? Just wondering...Tessaroithmost (talk) 13:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denis MacShane 

message: Note. For purposes of WP:COI declaration, my father is an active member of the Liberal Democrats, and has stood for local office. I have no political party membership myself. 
I would invite anyone else who has any potential COI here to declare it now. --Barberio (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: COI Declarations

message: I deleted the following section from the article:
'According to one commentator, such language is not uncommon in Poland, one of the most Catholic and socially conservative countries in Europe.'
Firstly, this is not an article about come commentator's view on Poland but a biographical note about Mr. Kaminski.
Also it is unfair to quote people (without stating their names) only to prove a point - if you want to make a statement that Poland is homophobic, the most Catholic country in Europe and most conservative please provide statistics and reliable data on this.
According to me such language is very uncommon in Poland and I have never heard or seen in public speech. 
Please stick to facts.
Monika Chodakowska  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchodakowska (talk • contribs) 18:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The source of that information was from the BBC, a reliable source, and the author was placing Kaminiski's remarks within the context of his society, background and, quite possibly, upbringing. I will reinstate the information into the article if you don't respond here within a day as I believe it to be entirely appropriate for use. Mas 18 dl (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the quate from the article you mentioned: 'But this stance is not as controversial in Poland as it might be further West. Poland is perhaps the most Catholic country in Europe, where many people hold conservative social views. It is not uncommon to hear well-educated people refer to gays and lesbians in a derogatory way.' Not sure this is what I call reliable data. saying 'perhaps the most catholic country in Europe' is a bit different to 'most Catholic country'. The rest is based on what - commentator visit to Poland? Any research? Or just subjective opinion? But of course agree with opinions below, thanks for your contribution. 
Monika  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchodakowska (talk • contribs) 21:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Personally, I agree with Monika Chodakowska. There are tens of thousands of journalists giving their opinion out there, I don't think this one deserves special treatment, and he doesn't add much of relevance anyway. In fact, the journalist is racially stereotyping Poles as bigots. --Chumchum7 (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If this must go back into the article, it should be made clear that it is the perception of one foreign commentator. Lamberhurst (talk) 07:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd just like to say, "racial stereotype"? No sir! National stereotyping perhaps, but there is no comment regarding the Polish race. Let's not call each other racists here, or things could get very messy. / 16:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There are precedents of anti-Polish racism that have been identified and prosecuted by UK law, such as case S/123726/06 F603/30 Mr J Lipka v Response Handling Ltd. But I agree, 'national stereotyping' is indeed a more accurate phrase. On that note, when I read around the Kaminski affair in the UK press, I found many, many cases of very ugly stereotyping of Poles as bigots, homophobes, anti-Semites and Nazi collaborators as if it is absolutely fair and accurate to do this. The Stephen Fry remark wasn't an exception but part of a trend. His apology (bless him) was exceptional, and he seems to have admitted his comment came out of some kind of unconscious motivation. This is classic herd behaviour in witch hunts, reminiscent of Two Minutes Hate. It is getting quite hysterical, and The Economist for one has written about it. So it begs the question whether the 'Kaminski affair' should have its own section on the Kaminski page, or even its own Wiki.--Chumchum7 (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Latest news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/22/hague-conservatives-europe-right-wing Chumchum7 (talk) 11:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

text: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/opinion/23iht-edcohen.html Chumchum7 (talk) 15:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

text: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6409202/Far-right-Tory-EU-allies-not-on-radar-says-US.htmlChumchum7 (talk) 07:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjective comments about Poland 

message: We must be very careful with such a section. I've removed the info about family members (see WP:BLPNAME) and tagged the remainder, because it does not seem contentious material.--M4gnum0n (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: Kaminski was severely opposed by Tory MEP MacMillan Scott, who also criticized him in a pamphlet . I guess the article should report this too.--Dans (talk) 20:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clash with MacMillan Scott 

message: The link is dead. Only Polish langauge broadcasts were jammmed, the government didn't care about the English ones, how do you know they were illegal?Xx236 (talk) 06:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  illegal BBC World Service broadcasts