Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia

message: Should this list be deleted and replaced with an automatically updated categoy list? VirginiaProp 01:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe.  It does have the date each one was added to the registry, which is a little bit more info than is contained in the category.--Kubigula (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is now a "Category:National Historic Landmarks in Virginia" which complements this list.  Per general guidelines about lists and categories, it is entirely appropriate to have both this list and the category.  This list-article articulates with List of National Historic Landmarks by state and is here to stay. doncram (talk) 03:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion: NO

message: Is this actually an NHL?--Appraiser (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is. There is currently one too many site listed for the number of NHLs in the state, but this is not the problem one.  Have to create articles for them all, and it will emerge. doncram (talk) 03:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cedar Creek and Belle Grove National Historical Park

message: As with other list-articles of NHLs included in WP:NRHP, this is to be rated as an article, until it can be put up for Featured List.  For now, it is a Stub, by the simple definition that this is a Stub until every NHL on the list has a Stub article. doncram (talk) 03:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Later upgraded to Start for wp:NRHP.  Just now upgraded to C-Class for NRHP, for it meeting Lvklock's review during 4th of July cleanup drive.  Main criterion:  there is separate article for each NHL, with mention, source of NHL-ness. doncram (talk) 22:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality rating as an article

message: Lvklock pointed out that there was a problem with links to NRHP text/photo documents for Alexandria Historic District, the first NHL on the list.  My bad, i had put in links and not tested them I guess.  Maybe it was when the NPS website was down?  Anyhow, those docs are just not available on-line in the NPS system, it turns out.  I dunno, are you willing to request the hard copies from the NPS, and work from them?  Certainly okay to say no, and perhaps eventually someone else might do so.  Not sure I want to either.  Again, sorry about the bad links, i have removed them now. doncram (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But I noticed KudzuVine was including links to the Virginia DHR copies of other NRHP nomination forms, and checked there.  So I was able to add a copy of the NRHP nomination form for Alexandria Historic District, and other useful items such as a link to a map of the district, at VA DHR.  I hope you may go ahead and develop the article using these new sources. doncram (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alexandria Historic District

message: Clariosophic pointed out to me that NRHP.COM's listings indicate NHLs.  I did not know that before, i never noticed that.  Clariosophic further asked/commented: "A question, I have is onNRHP.com for Hanover County, 3 blue stars are supposed to be NHLs, but some are and some aren't on the NHL list. The Richmond National Battlefield Park which is actually in Hanover County has 3 stars. Cold Harbor National Cemetery also has 3 stars. I found one in Sumter County SC that has 2 stars but isn't on the NPS NHL list."  Unfortunately NRHP.COM seems to be down right now, so I can't go see.  But I believe that NRHP.COM's data is limited to the same NRIS download that Elkman's infobox generator tool accesses, and the same that was used in creating the original table of Virginia NHLs.  The NRIS database has a field for NHL or not, and that NRIS database indicator of NHLs is inaccurate, I know for sure.  So I would think the NRHP.COM source would have to be wrong, often.  Maybe the three stars indicates National Historic Sites, Nattional Battlefields, and other National Park Service areas, listed further below in the List of NHLs page?  The Richmond NBP appears there, but not the Cold Harbor National Cemetery.  I guess their system gives stars for sites that are National Cemeteries, too, which are not the same kind of historic sites as what we want to list.  I am curious to see the NRHP.COM system and try to figure out what the rest of its star system covers.  Thanks. doncram (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NRHP.COM listing of NHLs

message: I was asked, what's to be done, what would I like to have done on this list-article.  If you're willing to take something on, here are some ideas:
*NRHP_INFOBOXES: create new stub articles with NRHP infoboxes where there are red-links, using the Elkman infobox generator.  I personally make a point to add, by cut-and-paste, the number and street address information that is visible in the generator but is not part of its suggested infobox output.  I also add any alternative names given for a site, also not part of the standard output.
::dibs on new article creation for Hanover County Courthouse by Clariosophic 
::I was going to add infobox to Jackson Ward Historic District article.  The Elkman tool has two, one for the original and one for a boundary increase.  Do you put both in the article?Lvklock (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Our NRHP best practice seems to be to merge the information into one infobox that shows refnums and listing dates for both the original and the boundary increase listings.  I just added a note with link to two examples, at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Style guide#Boundary increases, to describe how this is done. doncram (talk) 07:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I went through the list and checked articles and wikimedia for pics and added what I found.  I have a couple questions.  Cedar Creek Battefiled and Belle Grove Plantation.  I moved a pic in the article into the infobox, but the red dot pointer still shows and I'm not sure why.  Same thing in Green Springs Historic district.  I added a pic in the Washington & Lee University article, but it's not showing and I can't see what I did wrong.Lvklock (talk) 03:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the red dots, but I fixed the pic display in the Washington & Lee University article.  Apparently the university infobox requires redundant/weird formatting of "image=[[Image:". doncram (talk) 10:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  some task ideas / division of labour 

message: I started an article for Marlbourne just now, which I would be interested in putting up for DYK, if developed properly to describe secessionist Edmund Ruffin's agricultural innovations including use of marl to replenish depleted plantation soil.  Map shows 3 marl pits.  But, among other problems, can't find a usable picture to include in article.  NRHP doc mentions HABS pics from 1969, but i can't find them. Also can't find any external links that would be very helpful to include, despite mention somewhere that the site is open for visiting. doncram (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marlbourne 

message: I just announced some of the new VA NHL articles in the new articles list at WP:NRHP:
# Alexandria Historic District, a VA NHL
# Aquia Church, a VA NHL
# Barracks, Virginia Military Institute, a VA NHL
# Benjamin Banneker: SW-9 Intermediate Boundary Stone, a VA NHL
I don't always announce my own new articles, but think it hurts to attract other attention to our joint articles-in-process.  These ones are short but all have multiple sources and have photos (thanks, KudzuVine and RebelAt for adding those).  Everyone should feel free to announce our new articles there, if you get them up to a point where you feel proud of them. doncram (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article announcements at NRHP 

message: You should be aware that most Virginia cities such as Alexandria, Richmond, etc, are Independent cities and are NOT in a county. The city of Richmond was once in Henrico County, but is no longer. It has annexed into other adjacent counties. Places with the name "Richmond" may not be in the city but in an adjoining county. To confuse things further, there is a Richmond County in the Northern Neck, some distance from the city. Also Alexandria County no longer exists. It is now Arlington County. The City of Alexandria is independent and it too has annexed into other counties. I'll be trying to correct them. clariosophic (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, please do correct these.  I am used to relying upon the NHL webpages to give me the county to use for category within NRHP/NHL webpages, but in Virginia it is NOT serving me well.  Basically the NHL webpages can only handle normal counties, and they are erroneous for every one of the independent city cases.  Another systematic error in the NHL webpages for me to report to the National Park Service, adding to my list.  The NHL_list PDF file that is a reference in the article, however, does tend to make the distinction of city vs. county.  Thanks! doncram (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: County column

message: Okay, this may be silly to do.
Manual tabulation of indexed articles (118 NHLs, 11 NPS areas, 1 former NHL)
Date   	Good</br>blurb	</br>#Stub+	</br>#Start+	Pic	#NRHP</br>ibox	#ibox has</br>NHL date	#NHL</br>sum</br>linked	#NRHP</br>textlinked	#NRHPphotoslinked
Target 	130           	130        	130         	130	130           	130                   	130                    	130                 	130
4/06/08	?             	?          	?           	34 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/16/08	?             	100?       	?           	?  	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/17/08	?             	108        	?           	91 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/20/08	?             	112        	?           	91 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/21/08	?             	118        	?           	92?	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/22/08	?             	121        	?           	92 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/23/08	?             	125        	?           	92 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
4/26/08	?             	130        	?           	91 	?             	?                     	?                      	?                   	?
Just now there is an article for all 130 sites indexed by our list, and 91 or those are with pictures included in our list.  With this, I am upgrading this list-article to Start and will announce it in WP:NRHP's new articles section.  Nice work, all! doncram (talk) 22:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status report, and now rate at Start 

message: If anyone wants to do a DYK or two, I just started two articles that could make good ones: Tuckahoe Plantation, boyhood home of Thomas Jefferson, and New Kent School and George W. Watkins School, focus of 1968 desegregation case following up on 1954 Brown v. Board of Education.  I added good sources, links.  HABS drawings available for the first;  NRHP pics could be used for 2nd.  Plenty of material, if someone wants to develop the article a bit more and nominate.
I personally don't really get how DYK works, never had one.  I have nominated Carter Hall, a Virginia NRHP related to one of our NHLs, in the April 17-created batch at Template talk:Did you know, will see how that goes. doncram (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYKs 

message: There seems to be a discrepancy. The official list mentions 119 entries and doesn't include "City Hall (Richmond)". However, its entry doesn't show that it has been delisted. Anyone having more information? -- Firefox13 (talk) 20:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  119 or 120 entries