Talk:Ashdown House, East Sussex

message: Too busy to sort out the correct tags right now but I suggest this needs to be merged with the local settlement article.Charles (talk) 09:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go with that. I think it's an article with an identity crisis. Is the subject an 'historic' building? Or a school currently located in said building? There is a very slight chance that the building itself might be notable, but the article as it stands doesn't say that. The school is most definitely not notable in the slightest. Atlas-maker (talk) 10:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. I agree with the criticism that currently 'it's an article with an identity crisis'. The solution, however, is to fix this, not to merge the article. Ideally, there should be two separate articles: one about the school per se; a second about the buildings and the land, including the ancient manor that the school currently occupies. Is the school, rather than the buildings, notable? In my view, the school is as notable as is each of the other preparatory schools in England that currently has an entry on Wikipedia. Are the buildings, rather than the school, notable? In my view, the buildings are as notable as are each of the country houses in England that currently has an entry on Wikipedia. In my view, the current entry, therefore, should not be merged on the grounds that the subject, be it the school or the buildings and the land, lack notability.1.120.162.157 (talk) 05:38, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: According to the school's 'History' page on the school's website:
'The School's first headmaster in 1843, William Randall Lee, established the school in Brighton.  It was known at first as Connaught House but almost half a century later two of the founder's sons brought the school here to Ashdown House where its centenary on this site was celebrated in 1986.
The estate here is an ancient one indeed: records show that a chapel was consecrated here in 1296.  The Tudor manor which still forms one wing of the school dates from about 1575 but it was not until 1794 that Latrobe finished our famous central block before he won even greater glory in America.'
According to the 'Headmaster's Welcome' page on the same site:
'Ashdown House Prep School is one of the leading co-educational, boarding and day, preparatory schools in the country, catering for boys and girls between 4 and 13. Founded in 1843, it is also one of the oldest.'
If one accepts these statements as being true, then it seems to me that the school per se is notable on the grounds that it was established in 1843, meaning that the school has existed continuously for the last one hundred and seventy two years, and is now one of the oldest preparatory schools in England. Secondly, allegedly, the estate goes back to at least 1296. There was a Tudor manor dating back to 1575 that, allegedly, now forms one wing of the school's buildings. Last, in 1794 Latrobe built the central block now occupied by the school. If one accepts these last statements as being true, then, in my view, the buildings and the land are also notable. Both the school per se, and the land and buildings, therefore, are notable. All that remains is to separate carefully the information about the school per se from the information on its land and buildings. 1.120.162.157 (talk) 06:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the school vs history of the buildings and land 

message: The notability tag has bee removed twice, once because 'Bojo went to school here' and once cos ' It's a listed building". Neither automatically confer notability. I'm happy to see the article turned into a serious article about a serious notable building, but that requires significant coverage from WP:RS as per WP:GEOFEAT. But the school aspect must become the minor part of the article. Either way the notability tag needs to stay until notability is established. CalzGuy (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You've obviously failed to even look for sources. You're claiming it's not notable. It meets notability as a Grade II* listed building, being discussed by the likes of Pevsner and other architecture experts, not to mention as a school with plenty of coverage, including arrests and lawsuit over a historic sex abuse cases in the 1970s. This info is all available to anyone who bothered to get off their ass and Google. —МандичкаYO 😜 18:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone including you or me? Why is it my responsibility alone?  I'm not a deletionist at all. I just feel that the article as it currently stands does not really meet the WP:Notability criteria for either schools or buildings. There is already a single WP:Primary source for the Grade II listing in the article and there is some material in that reference which could expand the article a little. But to make it into anything more than stub will take more, and historic buildings are not a speciality of mine so it's not going to happen in the near future. But if you want to get on with it, be my guest. The sooner it gets done done the sooner it can be untagged. CalzGuy (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability tag

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