Talk:Hand drum

message: * I have to dispute the flawed reading of the definition of hand drum.  hand drums are hardly restricted to a single frame body with a head on one end.  This description is of the most simple frame drum.  The belief that the hand drum definition implies all hand drums fall under the membraphone category would be assumption.  By definition a hand drum is only a drum played by hand.  Since frame drums existed on most continents in some form it is only the most simple example of a hand drum, without actually defining what a hand drum is.
So far as Hang replacement and opening the question of a Cajon if anyone is able to provide a categorization for these instruments other than just saying they are too new age or unique to fall under any sub category of percussion I'll be happy to accept that, it would be welcome.  Without neutral organizations providing proper categories for instruments we can only define by usage and purpose.  Steel drums are drums, handpans are a new development of a hand played steel drum sounding as different from other hand drums as a steel drum sounds from a drum kit...evolution does nothing to erase standards. Construction and usage must be used as defining factors to encompass new technologies unless new common usage categories (rather than single item "look at what I made that is so wonderful") must be used to enable overall communication between different people and musicians allowing people to find compatible instruments.  To exclude these unique and genius instruments from hand drums, we must have a legitimate category.  Based on the fact that a Steel drum is still a drum, a hang in spite of having a very sensitive surface, construction, and sound is best classified as a hand drum.  Insistence that legitimate sources provide new defined categories before removing these from consideration as hand drums simply allows new drummers to become aware of the instruments increasing awareness, exposure, and simplifying communication.  I apologize if the creators dislike this and can only encourage that instead of altering Wikipedia pages the creators petition legitimate music organizations, dictionaries, and encyclopedias to add entries for these instruments so that standards can be set.
*HANG Originally this was listed under new age and was removed with the statement that the DRUM article states a handpan is not a drum.  This is disputed by a drum dealer that has sold a Hang and a Hang owner based on technique used playing the instrument. No real citation was listed for the removal of Hang from the hand drum page, checking the linked drum page said nothing about material or sound requirements for drum classification.  Although acknowledged that the "handpan" is a new type of instrument from the point of view of a drummer, percussionist, or consumer it is played like a drum, and collected by drum collectors rather than only percussionists or bell collectors.  Any future removal of Hang as a drum or hand drum must be CITED by a legitimate source OUTSIDE of Wikipedia or single dealer's page.  Legitimate disputes would be from certified musical associations.  Until a new legitimate definition is provided giving handpans their own category (handpan is NOT a category it is a specific design group of instruments) we must use a classification that allows the general public to understand who uses the instrument and how by intended design.  With great respect for the original creators of this instrument it must be understood it is marketed to drum players, and although the distinction is noted in that the instrument is very unique this lacks justification for an entirely new classification of instrument drum quite simple fits better than bell.  Justification for similar playing techniques for another hand drum would be hand technique used on a simple frame drum to imitate a "whale" song.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird013 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 8 November 2013 (UTC)