Talk:Billy Ray Cyrus

message: This article has been tagged since the start of the year may this please get sorted. Also I think there is a lot of speculation of what is truth in this article. I've seen at least 5 people complain about this article. Also about his former home why is it only one site that backs it up? Other sources need to be found pronto.
Completely agree - the first line alone is absolutely laughable " who helped make country music a worldwide phenomenon"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.157.193 (talk) 01:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up required 

message: "The family resided on a 500-acre farm in Spring Hill, outside of Nashville, Tennessee".
Ok, I highly doubt that Cyrus lived on a 500 acre farm because from what I've read of his biography it in no way suggests he has ever been in the money. Also a 500 acre site could probably fit five towns into it. There is no sufficent evidence to back this up so therefore this leaves me with no alternative but too delete this refereance.
This is backed up with an authoritative cite. Lack of belief does not override a cited fact. Sufficient evidence backs this up so deletion reversed.
I've checked the link it has no mention of them living on a farm? Like someone would say back home in Tennessee I lived on a 500- acre farm. 
There needs to be more evidence than the source cited for god sake it looks as if a child has wrote it come on that is most certianly not a source. 71.32.188.84 19:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrus's former home 

message: "Cyrus and Tritt's rivalry was noted by Tupac Shakur, who saw that the feud elevated the fame of both persons, even the perceived one-hit wonder Cyrus. Shakur was inspired by this to turn on his friend Biggie Smalls---for commercial, not personal success." Seriously, is there ANY substancial evidence that this is true? Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. 
*I was about to say, that this appeared to by major breach of NPOV; considering that this doesnt appear on any other sources (try googling it). 220.237.56.163 14:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side notes 

message: I've seen many edits by IP users that are well mostly/sometimes doing vandalism so we should have SemiProtection so it's not so much vandalism on this page. --Kanonkas 19:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  WAVY 10 19:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SemiProtection against? 

message: I would like to change and update the charts with a colored back-ground, and putting (#) in front of the numbers. If I think I want to change something, I will talk it out on here. ----ElboMisery1993
:Suggest you check out WP:CHARTS for some background on standard practices before making any major changes. --NrDg 16:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also if you don't like the WP:CHARTS style guide, the best place to discuss what you would like to see is in the discussion page for WP:CHARTS. People will continue to revert things that don't conform to the style guide. It is really hard to go against it. --NrDg 02:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the Album/Single chart 

message: I would like to split out the discography section of this article into a separate article again. Almost all the revisions to this article over the last three months have been in the discography section and the edits related to the rest of the article are getting lost in the noise of the updates and reverts that are continually occurring. Before doing anything others might consider rash, I'd like to see if there are any comments, concerns, rabid dislike of the idea, etc. I know that there is already an article with that name redirected back to here by User:TenPoundHammer May 29, 2007 that was created October 4, 2006. I am not familiar with the reasons for the fold back into here, I assume they were good ones. I just think that in terms of the recent activity here that we should revisit the decision. --NrDg 05:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested semi-protect on this page and it is now protected for a while. This might give us a breather to see what happens and possibly make a split out unnecessary for a while. Depends on whether or not our prolific constantly reverted friendly anonymous editor from Saint Louis chooses to log in or not to make his non-consensus changes. --NrDg 16:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Billy Ray Cyrus discography]] article re-creation 

message: Copied to Talk:Billy Ray Cyrus discography please continue discussion there.--NrDg 03:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you wish the RIAA certification stuff to go away? It is authoritative and is based on the most accurate data available. It does measure stuff differently than the Nielsen_SoundScan retail sales figures, but it included more sales outlets than soundscan. I think is is good data and should be incorporated with any conflicts explained, if necessary.--NrDg 03:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Discography page is made Billy Ray Cyrus discography. --Caldorwards4 02:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I think the discography page can be justified as notable and I would like to see the main Billy Ray Cyrus page concentrate on his bio. --NrDg 03:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album Chart Re-Construction Suggestion 

message: I think it's time for someone to add Bait Shop (2008), the Hannah Montana Movie (2008), and now the movie, Flying By which will be out in 2009 to the Filmography section. 76.236.153.65 (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography Update 

message: How 'bout adding a pic from this year to the infobox? And just move the current one to the article itself? Any takers? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 19:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to find an appropriate free image. --Kanonkas :  Talk   19:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not exactly the best person when it comes to adding pictures, though. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, if it's a picture from his website, we don't know the copyright. Generally, if the person is alive and not some sort of recluse, we should use a free image or at least one with a compatible license. The current image is fine. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pic? 

message: I've heard that his birth name is William . Can some one confirm this for me, so we can add this to his page?
:Billy is a shortened form of William (as is Will, Bill, etc.,). Not really important. WAVY 10 Fan 12:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may or may not be a shortened form of William. It could be a nickname for something else. Some people are christened with what would otherwise be a nickname. I've extensively looked for ANYTHING published and all biographies including those on his official site never mention anything other than "Billy Ray" as his name. Until we get a reliable source of information that says his birth name is something else, we need to stick with what has been published so far. --NrDg 13:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Since this still seems to be contentious. His name is no longer "William Ray Cyrus". It used to be but it is not any longer. His legal name is "Billy Ray Cyrus". "William Ray Cyrus" is a former name, not his current name. It is factually erroneous to state or imply in any way in the article that is current legal name is "William Ray Cyrus". --NrDg 15:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

text: As I said above, in this specific case, "Billy Ray Cyrus" IS his current legal name and should be treated as such. Billy is a common nickname for William but that is not the case here. Billy Ray Cyrus's correct proper legal first name is no longer William. Given the evidence of writer credits he HAS legally changed his name. For consistency with other performer articles where the performer has changed his legal name the birth name should be mentioned in the bio early life section and not in the lede. --NrDg 16:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Legal name changes are a matter of public record, are they not? If he really has changed his name, there ought to be some solid evidence of this. If none can be found, it would seem reasonable to assume by default that he's doing the same thing with his name as Billy Joel, Billy Crystal, Billy Squier, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bill Bradley, Buffalo Bill, and the vast majority of Bills and Billys in the world. Cosmic Latte (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Name changes are also a matter of common law usage which is also a legal way to change a name. The public record is usage when a legal name is required. Since there is no evidence that Cyrus has ever used William Ray Cyrus for anything and he has used Billy Ray Cyrus on everything of record that requires use of his full legal name, the common law presumption is that Billy Ray Cyrus is his full legal name. I had to search really hard to find anything that supported William Ray Cyrus as his birth name and finally found it on an image of his birth certificate on a TV show. There is nothing else anywhere that shows him using anything but Billy Ray Cyrus. Normally we can presume that Billy is a nickname but in this case the evidence refutes that. An argument could also be made for a lot of other Williams based on common law that they too have made Billy or Bill their common law legal name. I know some haven't, such as President William Jefferson Clinton, Senator William W. Bradley and William Henry Gates III as they do use William for legal purposes. The others would require some investigation. Billy Joel might actually be his legal name now. --NrDg 14:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Name 

message: It is clearest and most succinct to introduce him as "William 'Billy' Ray Cyrus", not "Billy Ray Cyrus (born William Ray Cyrus)". Billy is a common nickname for William; it is not a pseudonym. It's different for Billy the Kid and Billy Ocean, whose real names aren't William, but a comparison here would be Billy Joel or Billy Squier. Nicknames are introduced in a similar fashion for Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Tim Curry, Tom Hanks, etc. Phrasing such as "Billy Ray Cyrus (born William Ray Cyrus)" is needlessly wordy unless he has legally changed his name from William to Billy. The vast majority of people who go by Billy were "born" William. There is no need to spell this out unless his use of the nickname somehow differs from the typical use. Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said above, in this specific case, "Billy Ray Cyrus" IS his current legal name and should be treated as such. Billy is a common nickname for William but that is not the case here. Billy Ray Cyrus's correct proper legal first name is no longer William. Given the evidence of writer credits he HAS legally changed his name. For consistency with other performer articles where the performer has changed his legal name the birth name should be mentioned in the bio early life section and not in the lede. --NrDg 16:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Legal name changes are a matter of public record, are they not? If he really has changed his name, there ought to be some solid evidence of this. If none can be found, it would seem reasonable to assume by default that he's doing the same thing with his name as Billy Joel, Billy Crystal, Billy Squier, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bill Bradley, Buffalo Bill, and the vast majority of Bills and Billys in the world. Cosmic Latte (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Name changes are also a matter of common law usage which is also a legal way to change a name. The public record is usage when a legal name is required. Since there is no evidence that Cyrus has ever used William Ray Cyrus for anything and he has used Billy Ray Cyrus on everything of record that requires use of his full legal name, the common law presumption is that Billy Ray Cyrus is his full legal name. I had to search really hard to find anything that supported William Ray Cyrus as his birth name and finally found it on an image of his birth certificate on a TV show. There is nothing else anywhere that shows him using anything but Billy Ray Cyrus. Normally we can presume that Billy is a nickname but in this case the evidence refutes that. An argument could also be made for a lot of other Williams based on common law that they too have made Billy or Bill their common law legal name. I know some haven't, such as President William Jefferson Clinton, Senator William W. Bradley and William Henry Gates III as they do use William for legal purposes. The others would require some investigation. Billy Joel might actually be his legal name now. --NrDg 14:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Not that it's too important (he's a country singer, not a politician), I see conflicting reports on Billy Ray Cyrus' political affiliation. WikiAnswers says he's 'probably' a staunch Democrat, citing his asking McCain to stop playing one of his songs. Yet, according to the Huffington Post, he's headlining a 'Freedom Concert' hosted by Sean Hannity! Either he's some kind of Democratic sell-out, or he's a Republican who doesn't like John McCain (or, having people play his songs without paying him). Does anyone have any info on this?!199.8.26.10 (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like you said, this is irrelevant to why he is notable. He is not a politician, is not involved in any way more than any other lightly involved US citizen might be unlike some other entertainers where they have made this an issue. There is no justification for any of this to be in the article. --NrDg 15:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party 

message: Reference No. 12 (as of 16/Feb/2010) needs to be corrected:
(wrong)Christopher Cody, from a previous relationshiwhatp;
(correct)Christopher Cody, from a previous relationship;
---Tossh_eng (talk) 23:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 14:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling 

message: Date of marriage is not 1992 but 28th December 1993 according to Williamson county.
86.42.252.41 (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 86.42.252.41, 9 July 2010 

message: Death at a water park in Mexico september 12 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MileyC12 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from MileyC12, 13 September 2010 

message: The article refers to BRC as "an American country music singer, songwriter and actor, that helped make the country music a worldwide phenomenon." 
Isn't this a bit over the top? I would have thought Country was worldwide when guys like Marty Robbins and Hank Williams were singing, let alone Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton, at least 20-30 years before BRC made it big. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While that is partly true, the statement is referenced by 3 different sources. You mention Marty Robbins and others, they however, didn't achieve the worldwide success that Billy Ray did. He had a number-one hit in several countries, whereas the ones you mentioned failed to chart internationally, or very poorly. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 19:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three references but none of them actually make the claim thet he "helped make the country music a worldwide phenomenon". That appears to be WP:SYNTH. 
--AussieLegend (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

text:  The fact Cyrus had a bigger hit doesn't mean he helped make country "a worldwide phenomenon". Both Parton and Cash have had huge followings internationally for decades (both achieving top ten hits in UK years before BRC was on the scene). Marty Robbins, whilst not achieving the chart success, headlined at Country festivals internationally and Kenny Rogers had 2 number one hits in UK in 1970's. I was listening to German country bands in the 1980's. This wiki link shows country was worldwide decades ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music#Other_international_country_music The Herald-Journal article (citation 2) speaks of a "worldwide resurgence" in Country, suggesting it was big before. Likewise, it says BRC is "riding high", not that he helped create the new wave (although he's obviously one of its prime movers). I'm not denying BRC's talent, success or appeal, I'm just pointing out that Country was already a well established worldwide phenomenon well before he came along. Perhaps "helped move country into into a wider mainstream internationally" (79.190.69.142 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Just to push the point a bit more, Kenny Rogers, according to wikipedia "However, the single "Lucille" (1977) was a major hit, reaching number one on the pop charts in 12 countries, selling over five million copies, and firmly establishing Rogers's post-First Edition career." I think this might just show that BRC was not the first major international Country star to have a worldwide hit. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 22:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: description is a bit excessive

message: This Wikipedia article lists December 28, 1992 as the date of Billy Ray Cyrus's marriage to Tish Cyrus, nee Finley. This is consistent with the cited ABC News article, which does say Cyrus "secretly married Finley on Dec. 28 1992." However, page 3 of the divorce documents filed on October 26, 2010, and posted on October 27, 2010 by TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/27/miley-cyrus-parents-billy-ray-tish-divorce-irreconcilable-differences/) list the marriage date as December 28, 1993 (one year later). It seems unlikely that court documents would get the marital date wrong, given the relevance of such a date to the divorce proceedings. Is this grounds for changing the date listed in the article? Starswept (talk) 15:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marital date discrepancy 

message: In the beginning summary of the article, it states that Hannah Montana is currently in its 4th season. Well, the series has just ended. Someone, please make a quick fix. --98.246.40.118 (talk) 06:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 15:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hannah Montana has ended. 

message: Please edit this, found under the Personal Life section of Billy Ray Cryus' Wikipedia page.
In a 2004 interview on ABC News: Primetime, Cyrus stated that daughter Miley (conceived with Finley) and son Christopher (conceived with Luckey) were both born in 1992, at which time Cyrus was unmarried, and that his marriage to Finley the following year when she was pregnant with their son was secret and against his record company's advice.
As this is quite misleading, the text should clarify: In a 2004 interview on ABC News: Primetime, Cyrus stated that daughter Miley (conceived with Finley) and son Christopher (conceived with Luckey) were both born in 1992, at which time Cyrus was unmarried, and that his marriage to Finley the following year when she was pregnant with their first son, Braison Chance, was secret and against his record company's advice.
Wiki934 (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Completely preposterous. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:15, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Wiki934, 10 September 2011 

message: The description reads like it was written by Billy Ray Cyrus himself (or his publicist).  It should be written more like any other wiki article (a neutral tone).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.117.33 (talk) 06:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Too much puffery. Other examples: (under The Mercury Record Years)  "The album became an instant chart and sales success."  (under career relaunch): "As the show began to air, Cyrus was instantly a fan favorite." Frappyjohn (talk) 21:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The description is still a bit too subjective 

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message: He never refers to 2 of his children as adopted, his family never thinks of them differently and use labels son, daughter, brother and sister when referring to them. Legally they are his children. It is somewhat demeaning to them and the relationship to tag them in a way that implies a somewhat lesser relationship. History is covered in article. Tagging them in the infobox implies a somewhat lesser relationship than to his biological children who are not tagged as such. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a purely emotional argument that the tag implies something negative, and an encyclopedia should be first and foremost about displaying information, not about emotions. The fact of the matter is that those two are not his biological children; they are adopted. Omitting this information from the infobox is highly misleading, especially since an infobox is meant to show precisely these kinds of details. Readers should not be forced to dive into the body of the article in order to scrape up the truth about this matter. —Wash whites separately (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that they are adopted and implying it is important is also somewhat emotional and it is demeaning to the people involved to keep bringing up that bit of past history that does not matter in any way to the people involved. Legally adopted means that they are his full children with all the rights and obligations it engenders by law. It is not important to the article to tag his children and their being adopted is not some distinction that matters to this family or to anybody else reading the article. Family history is covered fairly well in the article in the appropriate places. The infobox is not the place for extraneous parenthetical information, it is just an overview of what is important and how his children became his children is not important at all. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:07, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying his children are adopted when they are indeed adopted is not emotional at all; it is a statement of fact. The tag is demeaning only in your opinion; you do not speak for all readers. You also cannot ascertain that all readers are uninterested in how those two became his legal children. The infobox is there to clear that up. Again, omitting information for the sake of emotional sensitivities is very misleading and antithetical to the goal of an encyclopedia. —Wash whites separately (talk) 15:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also not just my opinion that it is unimportant for the infobox, but editor consensus up to this point until you changed it. For those who care, the topic is covered quite well in the article body. It is a minor fact about two of his children that is not important enough to highlight in the infobox. It gives WP:UNDUE weight to a minor detail about his life. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: "His right-handed father played guitar however left-handed Cyrus tried to play his father's guitar, but could not."
That punctuation could be improved. It is not a clearly constructed sentence. I recommend something similar to the following: "His right-handed father played the guitar. Left-handed Billy Ray tried to play his father's guitar, but could not."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSethJM (talk • contribs) 14:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording could be improved in this sentence 

message: Please delete :Category:Southern Baptists. It is not supported by anything in the article. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:46, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request, 12 May 2018 

message: Feel free to correct me but every source points out a glaring error: Billy Ray Cyrus was born first name "Billy Ray" -- not William. I'll adjust. See, e.g.: The Boot and every other reliable souce that talks "names." DavidWestT (talk) 20:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name error 

message: I find it a bit odd to mention the song's platinum status in Australia of all countries in the second sentence of the article. That seems like something that belongs in the article body or slightly later in the introduction. "Which was an international success" would maybe be enough? 130.208.182.75 (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Australia" 

message: Change "fourteen consecutive weeks" to "fifteen consecutive weeks". 73.241.122.184 (talk) 02:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Highway 89 (talk) 03:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2019 

message: 75.128.243.137 (talk) 06:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2020 

message: Please add awards and nominations for Billy Ray Cyrus in the infobox. There is already an existing article listing his awards and nominations. Can this be linked to his Wikipedia page? 2A00:23C7:4804:E01:59DB:97EF:7318:FFD4 (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look in the See also section of this article. And that link has been added to the infobox. Thank you for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 01:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2021 

message: I can't link because it requires signing in with my library card but it says, "Country singer Cyrus (AKA Billy Ray Cyrus) is 60" in a list of celebrity birthdays.
I don't know where they got this.— Vchimpanzee •  talk • contributions •  18:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it. I didn't see anything when I first searched but I tried a different method. How this didn't make it into the article I don't understand, but there are more sources saying he did than that he didn't. The word must not have gotten out, but it seems the original announcement was a hoax.— Vchimpanzee •  talk • contributions •  17:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  His name is Cyrus 

message: Billy Ray Cyrus also plays guitar live. 2.103.150.103 (talk) 18:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks, i added it FMSky (talk) 19:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instrument addition