Talk:Satmar

message: Locations
As far as I know, there is also a Satmar community in Vienna, Austria - but I am not completely sure whether this is the case. Could anyone verify this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.69.244.219 (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This paragraph
 Many Satmar Hasidim were murdered and dispersed during World War II and the Holocaust,
 though the group's destruction was less complete than many other Hasidic sects. Though widespread
 shootings and deportations had already killed aproximately 100,000 Jews under Miklós
 Horthy's leadership, Nazi-allied Hungary was not occupied by Germany until comparatively late
 in the war. The the first deportations of Jews and death marches to the extermination camps in
 Poland did not begin until the spring of 1944, when 440,000 Jews were rounded up by the
 Hungarian police.
keeps getting changed to
 Many Satmar Hasidim were murdered and dispersed during World War II and the Holocaust,
 though the group's destruction was less complete than many other Hasidic sects. Though widespread
 shootings and deportations had already killed aproximately 100,000 Jews under Miklós
 Horthy's leadership of Nazi-allied Hungary, the firts deportations of Jews and death marches
 to the extermination camps in Poland did not begin until the spring of 1944, when 440,000
 Jews were rounded up by the Hungarian police, under the oversee of SS Colonel Adolf Eichmann.
Aside from the spelling and grammar errors ("firts"? "oversee"?), this looks incorrect to me and the previous version appears correct. Nazi-allied Hungary was, in fact, occupied by Germany in 1944. Check out this text from the Hungary article:
 Hungary passed a series of anti-Semitic laws throughout the 1920s and thirties, and some
 massacres of Jews by Hungarian forces took place in the early part of the Second World War,
 but Hungary initially resisted large scale deportation of its Jewish population. Ultimately,
 however, during the German occupation, the Arrow Cross Party and government authorities
 participated in the Holocaust: in May and June 1944, Hungarian police deported nearly 440,000
 Jews in more than 145 trains, mostly to Auschwitz [1]. Ultimately, over 400,000 Jews in Hungary
 were killed during the Holocaust, as well as several tens of thousands of Roma.
The note about Adolf Eichmann also seems inappropriate and unnecessary to this article. If one is interested about who commanded SS troops in Hungary in 1944, one should look at an article like World War II, not an article about Satmar. I don't believe these edits to have any merit and I move for their reversion. Thoughts? --Makaristos 22:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, feel free to revert. Sorry for my error, it`s just that on the article Holocaust#Hungary it says that it was "October 1944, when the Horthy regime fell from power and was replaced...". This contradicted with this article which sayd that "The the first deportations of Jews and death marches to the extermination camps in Poland did not begin until the spring of 1944". It`s either Spring or Autumn? Also, the article Arrow Cross Party says that it "ruled Hungary from October 15, 1944 to January 1945. During its short rule, 80,000 Jews, including many women, children and old people were deported from Hungary...". Does this refere to the same event, and if so, why does it says 80,000 instead of 400,000? And I also don`t like the word "occupied". De facto, the deportations and death marches were done by Hungary, by the Hungarian police (under the oversaw ("oversee") of Adolf Eichmann - his mentioning is indeed superfluous) which altough had a puppet goverment, was not occupied as Poland or Ukraine were for example. AdoniCtistai 23:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungary in WWII 

message: About Satmar and Neturei Karta. THe Cherem bit is incorrect, as is the bit of a denunciation. Also the part of asking Reb Yoilish to meet with Yasser Arrafat. It's all myth. Yasser Arafat and the PLO were not the public face of the Palestinian cause before Reb Yoilish had his stroke, so it doesn't make sense. He was just the leader of one of many Palestinian resistence/terrorist groups. There wasn't even a PLO yet, just Fatah. 
About the cherem, I actually asked a chaver of the Satmar Beis Din about the Cherem, and he said it's nonsense. The Beis Din has not issued a cherem against a person or group of people since its formation in the United States. Cherem is the most severe punishment a beis DIn can issue in our day and it is almost never done by any Beis Din on people. Books, and things occasionally.
No denunciation was issued either. It's a made up propaganda piece by the Kakhnik radio station Arutz Sheva. It never happened. No such thing ever appeared in Der Yid, which is the official newspaper. Many Satmer are uncomfortable with NK, but there's no official stance. (Also, right now there's a false rumor in Satmar that NK denied the Holocaust on American TV, and since Satmar don't have TV, many believe it.)
I am going to remove it because I feel it mars an otherwise fairly accurate and informative article.Shia1 06:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neturei Karta

message: I think the title that Wikipedia has given R' Aharon (Rebbe of Satmar-Kiryas Yoel) is premature. I understand where it comes from. There's Nedvorna-Bnei  Brak, Nedvorna-Tzfas, etc., and Vizhnitz-Monsey, Vizhnitz-Bnei Brak, etc. But this is a little different Here, R' Aharon has literally moved part of his operation to Williamsburgh, supposedly in an attempt to take the entire pie. Whatever our judgment is about this maneuver, it clearly eliminates the accuracy of labeling R' Aharon to Rebbe of the Kiryas Yoel branch of Satmar. The desire to label and compartmentalize is compelling. But presently, it may be most accurate to say that the position of "Satmar Rebbe" is contested. It doesn't look like either side is content to be merely Rebbe of Satmar-Kiryas Yoel or Satmar-Williamsburgh.--Meshulam 15:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  R' Aharon, Admo"r d'Satmar-Kiryas Yoel 

message: I would love to see more in this article about R' Chaim Yehoshua Halbershtam, either in this article, or on the article dedicated to him. For ex., he is identified as the Satmar Rebbe on Monsey.  But the article does not clarify whether that is something that was unilaterally decided by the Chassidim (and whether R' Halbershtam asceded), or where his "home base" is (ie, the name of his shul). There are countless Satmar shuls in Monsey. Calling him Satmar Rebbe of Monsey is a little too general. --Meshulam 15:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satmar-Monsey 

message: From the intro:
Satmar (or Satmar Hasidism or Satmarer Hasidim) (חסידות סאטמאר) is a movement of Orthodox Haredi Jews who adhere to Hasidism originating in the town of Szatmárnémeti (now Satu Mare, Romania), at that time in the Kingdom of Hungary. Members are referred to as Satmarer Hasidim.
"...at that time in the Kingdom of Hungary." - This doesn't make sense to me... at what time (well when it was named Szatmarnemeti i guess?)?  This should either specify when the movement originated in Szatmarnemeti or should be phrased as "...originally located in the Kingdom of Hungary."
66.253.36.215 05:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro: when was Szatmarnemeti a part of Hungary (clarification/grammer)? 

message: rabbi and rebbe seem to be present about equally; for consistency's sake, however, it'd be nice to have only one or the other. --moof 08:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rabbi or rebbe? Pick one, please. 

message: can someone fix this article?  it was very encyclopedic before and now it's just amateur
:Perhaps you can give greater detail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.240.214.219 (talk) 10:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shrike (talk • contribs) 17:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Satmars slam Naturei Karta

message: Could someone please verify the statement Satmarers have stopped purchasing or advertising in Der Yid and Der Blatt?
Who authored this section? The grammar is just horrifying?Hearingpocket 19:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspapers 

message: Can someone help me rewrite the grammer and fix the spelling in the article; it is very bad indeed. Major rewrite needed. Any offers? Lobbuss 10:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: grammer and spelling

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:CRChe.gif

message: I've flagged the "Satmar succession feud" for neutrality and general cleanup. The section contains a lot of personally invested statements; it would be worthwhile to rewrite the whole section in a more neutral tone. --ArthurDenture (talk) 06:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: There is a consensus regarding an informal policy that all articles about Hasidic groups follow the "Name (Hasidic dynasty)" pattern. This applies both when there is an article with the same name, and when there is not. I think this policy should be kept and the article should be moved back to "Satmar (Hasidic dynasty)". Please share your opinions. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 14:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No offense, but can you provide some evidence that there's a consensus to that effect?  Somewhere this was discussed previously, etc.  I don't agree with this practice, obviously--the point of an article title is to name the article's subject, not to describe what it is.Prezbo (talk) 21:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: The disambiguation, by adding "(Hasidic dynasty)" is absolutely needed in this case because in Yiddish and in the Jewish world it can mean BOTH the city (not always a Hasidic place) AND the Hasidic dynasty that sprouted and derives only its NAME from there, see: "Satu Mare (Romanian pronunciation: [ˈsatu ˈmare]; Hungarian: Szatmárnémeti [sɒtmaːrneːmɛti]; German: Sathmar; Yiddish: סאטמאר (Satmar)) is a city with a population of 113,688 and the capital of Satu Mare County, Romania." Thank you, IZAK (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Spelling SATMAR in the english language only means the hasidic dynasty, so there is no ambiguation, when some one looks for the town Satu Mare, why should he/she spell it satmar? and in case some one does just but up a link above saying for the city Satu Mare in Romanie click here....--75.99.39.162 (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation absolutely needed  

message: I just read an article on allegations of widespread abuse throughout the Satmar community in NYC and abroad. I believe that something this newsworthy requires at least a mention in the article. It seemed pretty serious to me- http://www.vice.com/read/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.215.254 (talk) 06:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial Report on Satmar victimization of children? 

message: These books, formerly listed in the article's bibliography section, were perhaps accidentally lost when the bibliography section was replaced by a references section.  Since they offer an external view of Satmar life, I added them back into the "See Also" section.  
*Deborah Feldman. Unorthodox. The Scandalous Rejection of my Hasidic Roots. Simon & Schuster: New York, NY, 2012. 
*Yechezkel Yossef Weisshaus. THE REBBE. A Glimpse into the Daily Life of the Satmar Rebbe Rabbeinu Yoel Teitelbaum. Translated by Mechon Lev Avos from Sefer Eidis B'Yosef by Rabbi Yechezkel Yosef Weisshaus. Machon Lev Avos. Distributed by Israel Book Shop, Lakewood New Jersey, 2008. 
CharlesHBennett (talk) 05:02, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feldman and Weisshaus' books.  

message: they only hate zionism only cuz they support halachic state it is even written right here https://books.google.co.il/books?id=MVEvieysltsC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=halachic+state+neturei+karta&source=bl&ots=mpArwVyWrY&sig=FyBqueo3qmZZESVBl4ORupMAI_c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ellYVdPaJOjnygP30IGgBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=halachic%20state%20neturei%20karta&f=false
it said such people for example neturei karta—see “Zionism” as anti-Jewish, anti-Halachic and anti-religious.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.130.39 (talk) 09:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  about satmar and other haredi groups anti zionists  

message: It's clear (I can bring plenty of recent sources) that Satmar as a sect (i.e. its leadership and ideology) remains fiercely anti-Zionist. I've cleaned up this section for now, but if anyone objects, they are welcome to change it. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 13:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satmar Zionism section in article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The illustration of the (presumably Yiddish) poster "Rejection of Israel is expressed in a ban of voting ..." would be more accessible to English readers if someon could add a translation. Any offers? Arrivisto (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of poster 

message: Just to make clear from the start, this means no disrespect to the Tzadik R' Yoelish or his amazing community.
the Satmar Rav, Harav Yoelish said "forgotten is the Torah of the Baal Shem Tov"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.119.202 (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satmar, Chassidim or not ? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Satmar (Hasidic dynasty) →  – Unnecessary disambiguation ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 September 2022