Talk:1984–1985 United Kingdom miners' strike

message: There should be more details on the employers use of the courts to seize union funds. It was an important part of the battle. Can anyone help? Johncmullen1960 (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Courts

message: It seems to me that the "History" section is long and muddled. Arguably the whole article is "history", innit. I'm thinking of splitting it into "Timeline" (or "Sequence of major events") and "Issues" (like the "Question of a ballot".
But if people have better ideas, I would like to hear them Chaikney (talk) 18:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the re-arranging, there's probably still rough bits. Also did some big offline rewriting. Be bold and all that... Chaikney (talk) 01:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-arrangement

message: From the BBC South Yorkshire website here
Chaikney (talk) 18:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful resources 

message: I removed the follwing section as I cannot find any sources to support this:
Football hooliganism, another big social issue of the mid-1980s in England, became a venue for proxy conflicts between supports of clubs located in areas that were on different sides of the strike. As most Nottinghamshire miners did not strike, supporters of the county's football teams often became the bitter enemies of supporters of Yorkshire and Derbyshire teams; the local derby between Chesterfield (Derbyshire) and Mansfield Town (Nottinghamshire) often saw running battles between the supporters, with Mansfield nicknamed 'scabs' by many Chesterfield fans, which continues to the present day.  There was also rivalry in the divide between Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire, as Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest were the biggest and best supported clubs in that area.
Feel free to add it back in once reliable sources are found --DFS454 (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football hooliganism 

message: I have been shocked to learn that Encyclopedia Britannica has literally nothing on this topic.  Wikipedia is definitely ahead of the game here.  However, I can understand why this is still only Class B.  We need to cut out all unverified comments.  There have been a few programmes on about the strike recently, so I expect that some others on here have some new information to add.  I think that there needs to be more on the years just before the strike: for example, about how Scargill had called national ballots for strikes in the five years beforehand, but they had always returned "No" votes.  Epa101 (talk) 12:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's go for Class A 

message: Does anyone know more about ITV reversing the timeline of events at Orgreave on their news bulletin? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ITV 

message: There were some inconsistencies in the punctuation of this article; I went through and changed some of the punctuation. Hope it's OK? Sw258 (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punctuation 

message: The introduction to this article says nothing about why the strikes took place. I think it needs to be a little clearer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.167.125 (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And therefore this remark: "This article's introduction section may not adequately summarize its contents."??? You want the same article in the introduction - just a little bit shorter? I can't believe it! --Wiskeps (talk) 08:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: "Violence flared after police on horse-back charged the miners with truncheons drawn and inflicted serious injuries upon several individuals. In 1991, the South Yorkshire Police were forced to pay out £425,000 to thirty-nine miners who were arrested in the events at the incident.[10] Other less well known, but equally bloody police attacks took place, for example, in Maltby, South Yorkshire.[11] These confrontations contained organised police lines including charges by police and police mounted on horseback. In some cases miners organised themselves against this."
This passage makes clear that there was brutality by the police in this strike and therefore I will reinstate the Category:Police brutality in the United Kingdom.BorisAndDoris (talk) 23:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police brutality in the United Kingdom 

message: Link 50, to Jeremy Deller's re-enactment is dead because the website has since been redesigned. I won't change due to a COI (work for Artangel) but if anyone wants to correct it the updated link is http://www.artangel.org.uk/projects/2001/the_battle_of_orgreave  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.208.83.130 (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I have replaced the link. Keith D (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: I find this whole article somewhat biased towards the left. 
Plenty on the subject of police brutality but not a word on the activites of the flying pickets and their violence towards miners who wished to go to work. Remember it was an unballoted strike, nothing peculiar at all about the NUM rules as you suggest, he manipulated the rule book (rules 41 &nd 43 ) to suit his own ends. There are many recorded cases of working miner's houses having bricks thrown through their windows and worse, working miners beaten up, their wives and children terrified but no mention here. 
Amongst all of the other things that could be mentioned Arthur Scargill argued that no pit should ever be closed anywhere ever unless exhausted or had safety problems and only then with the agreement of the NUM. He further proposed that in the event of a disagreement between the NUM and the NCB over any pit closure that this should go to an independant body and the NCB should be bound by this! No small wonder the industry was in the state it was then.
This man had no agenda at the time beyond bringing down the (tory) government and as such his activities were an affront to democracy.
Ytongs (talk) 13:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thatcher was a blessing for the UK, she saved Britain from marxist communists and an already highly subsidised industry such as mining. The decline of the mining industry began way before Thatcher arrived in 1979, mining jobs declined from 1.2 million in the year 1920 to 300.000 in 1979. The miners fought an already lost cause which is more a tragedy than policy. 62.226.81.28 (talk) 23:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: I have read that the miners' strike was a major influence on the generation of British comics who came of age in the 1980s.  (Linda Smith comes to mind.)  Can this be substantiated?  121a0012 (talk) 20:05, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural effect 

message: The map of English counties with deep mines in 1984 and 2010 doesn't show Merseyside as having pits at all; the article mentions four in Merseyside, one in Knowsley and three in St Helens, which is correct. How can I contact Mtaylor848 who produced it? Also, I think he could quite easily have included Wales and Scotland (1984 pits in West and Mid-Glamorgan and Gwent, and in Strathclyde, Lothian and Fife; 2010 none). Brian Hepworth (talk) 14:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You could drop a note on their talk page so they see it next time they login. Keith D (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Or you could download a copy of the picture, edit it yourself and upload it again to replace the existing one. It's commons material after all.  Let me know if you need a hand with that. Kaleeyed (talk) 12:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the map. Bazonka (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The introduction contains a factual error. "The later strike ended with the miners' defeat and the Thatcher government able to consolidate its free market programme." The term 'free market' conflates the Chicago school and the Austrian school. Thatcher persued more of a Friedmanite programme as opposed to a free market model. An edit to Fiscal conservatism would make the article more accurate. Regards, Crotale (talk) 09:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add this to the article (with references of course). Kaleeyed (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Market 

message: I don't know enough to write this, but it's missing. FT2 (Talk | email) 23:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete - draft a section "Political consequences and aftermath" 

message: Gorbachev did not become general secretary of the party until 11/3/1985, about a week after the strike ended. He did not become chairman/president until 1988/1990.
So why is he referred to as the "Soviet leader" in this article?
Marchino61 (talk) 11:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorbachev was NOT Soviet Leader during the miners' strike 

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message: This article concerns me - things are passed off as fact with uncheckable - or single, questionable links, and it all seems rather unencyclopedic. I speak as a life-long socialist by the way.
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replies: text: That was then, this is now. As a "life-long socialist", could you point to questionable information or facts? For what is it about the article that you object to? 91.110.75.111 (talk) 23:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

text: What exactly would you like to be removed?  I think that this article is much better than it was two years ago.  One problem is that the majority of books on this strike were written by socialists, as naturally they focus on the last time that >100,000 workers came out on strike for months on end. However, the references to Adeney & Lloyd or the Sunday Times surely cannot be considered socialist propaganda.  62.60.23.206 (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotionalism - Fighting The Battles Of A Dead Decade With No Objectivity 

message: Recent edit was a change from No... to Few... with the editor saying that the NUR supported the strike.  Was this the case, and was the support active or just passing a sympathetic motion?  I was not aware at least of any active support.
Gravuritas (talk) 21:28, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the relevant union in the railway industry that supported the strike was ASLEF.  See this on their website.  This is also mentioned on pages 82 and 234 of Davis Amos's thesis on the strike in Nottinghamshire.  Epa101 (talk) 14:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few (or No)  major unions supported the NUM 

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