Talk:T'au Empire

message: Ethereal castes control them with pheremones? Where was this rumored? My whole love for the Tau is being shattered, I stayed away from the Tyranids because they were mindless slaves. Is the Ethereal Caste just another evolution that was more useful? WHY?
:I'm not sure but I think it was mentioned as a theory as to why the Tau are so blindly loyal to the Ethereals. No one actually knows for sure, if I'm remembering the codex correctly.
::It is strongly implied that the Etherals use phermones to compell other Tau.  However, do not mistake that for slavery.  The mere sent of an Etheral nearby causes other Tau to discard their doubts and fears, clears their minds of any selfish thoughts, and turns them into near perfect instraments of the Tau'va.  This is why when an Etheral leads a squad of Tau on the table-top they become fearless.  If you want to see some first-hand evidence of this, then I recommend reading the book Fire Warrior based on the (unfortunately mediocre) PS2 game of the same title.  The Tau who are near an Etheral describe sensing a strange but wonderfully pleasant sent on the wind that causes them to fully embrace the Tau'va.  However, as I said the Tau are not complete slaves.  Such control only works if an Etheral is nearby, and Etherals cannot be everywhere at once.  They teach other Tau to carry on when they are not around.  The book also shows them gathering Tau around to reach a decision together for the greater good.  When they arrive at a decision the Ethereal declares that he had already reached that decision and sent out his orders.  When the other Tau ask why they were asked to deliberate if that were the case, the Ethereal tells them that because they arrived at the decision on their own they would be more certain that they were doing the right thing.  They had complete faith in the Etherals already, but by doing this the Etheral ensures that such faith is not blind.  --Fearless Son 02:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover, this ability does not allow the Ethereal to control the minds of other Tau, only to bring peace to their minds, to calm them, to allow them to think clearly and to see reason in everything: this reason being mostly following the path the Greater Good. All unlike the Hive Mind and the Tyranids. --Loc.warhammer 14:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: in general though, the members of the Tau castes are conditioned from birth to follow their parts of the greater good. it's a kind of extreme nationalism. the Etheral's calming presence is not required to control a Tau, it's more for getting Tau to calm down, pay attention to them, and thus help settle disputes. 64.91.21.97 (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wtf, I don't get this

message: Was the rewrite article finally implanted into this? Colonel Marksman 18:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ???!!! YAH!

message: I have the Tau codex and the Demiurg, the Nicassar or the Tallerians, none of them are in the fricken codex! my freind placed his custom chapter and you said " It was not codex!" what was that all about! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tauman (talk • contribs) .
:Have you read (eg) the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, in particular the part referenced by the Demiurg and Nicassar articles (To Unite The Stars)? They are both canonical Games Workshop creations. Cheers --Pak21 14:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Tallerians are mentioned in the novel Kill Team. SAMAS 12:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've got Kill Team, could you confirm the spelling of "Tallerians"? (See Talk:Tallerians (Warhammer 40,000) for context). Cheers --Pak21 14:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey hypocrites! 

message: Shouldn't this page be renamed Tau Empire or The Tau Empire? This is what it is officially called on Games Workshop's website, in the new codex, and in Dark Crusade.
86.135.184.171 19:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it depends on if we want the article to be about the alien race (Tau), the political entity (Tau Empire - as per the background) or the playable game faction (Tau Empire - as per the game). - Heavens To Betsy 14:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since two out of three of the above reasons are for Tau Empire, I think someone should move it, and have a section on the Tau race and history. Martin23230 12:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried moving it to Tau Empire, but it dosn't work. Could someone else do it for me? Land raider 12:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that "Tau (Warhammer 40,000)" is a fine name for the page.  I would rather that the "Tau Empire" page redirect here.  Besides, their first codex began under the name "Tau", so that is another reason to keep it like this.  We have seperate pages for the Kroot and the Vespid, and since they would normally be kept under "Tau Empire" it does not make sense to have them on seperate pages.  However, if we keep this just "Tau" then it makes more sense to keep it all seperate.  --Fearless Son 02:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Tau Empire" page should be a page about the Tau empire and the included species, and cover the expansion phases, which are not covered here.  This page is more about the Tau themselves, not their empire.  I am writing the article on Tau Tech right now, so if someone else would like to write the article, please do. Tealwisp 01:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tau Empire 

message: Why do we have a subpage at Tau (Warhammer 40,000)/archive? Things like this should be done in non-article space. Also, it seems that it hasn't actually been done much with since september. Should we put it up for deletion?-Localzuk(talk) 18:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an archive of the old page before saberwyn's rewrite. It can't be deleted as it is needed to preserve the contributor information, although a history merge could be done. --Pak21 09:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subpage 

message: Perhaps we can change the Tau Emblem in the Infobox? It's a beautiful rendering but looks tacky with the white-on-gray background. A transparent GIF/PNG/SVG would probably look much better.
RCanine 21:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I moved the infobox to the top of the page because that seems to be the general thing on Wikipedia and also (I think) makes the page much clearer, giving important information first. Anyone object? 
--Davard 10:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I made a change indicating that Fire Warriors have a comparable physical strength to humans.  Someone recently reverted this change, leaving in text implying that they are physically weaker than humans.  My source of information on this was taken from Imperial Armour Volume III: The Taros Campaign.  Can anyone offer any other GW-sanctioned source that contradicts this?  Because if not, then we should still indicate it as it has otherwise been established as canon.  --Fearless Son 02:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In game, the Tau Fire Warriors are equal in terms of strength to average guardsmen. Also, in Index Xenos they are mentioned as being roughly the same in terms of strength and resilience. Where they are lacking, however, is visual perception (where they appear to focus slower then humans do). They are definitely not weaker then humans, unless you count Space Marines. Sybaronde 19:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Fire Warriors probably are thought of as being inferior to humans in strength because of either the reason Sybaronde posted, or because they do not engage in melee combat (they see it as primitive or barbaric) like humans do. Groundlord (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire Warrior physical strength 

message: In Codex: Tau Empire, it states that the highest level of command for Tau is coalition. This should be added to the governing body box in the tau empire information.
213.249.245.48 19:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tau Coalition 

message: I would recommend editors to look at the Tyranids or the Eldar (Warhammer 40,000) pages (I recommend the Tyranids page, as it has had the most work and the "game play" section is better than the Eldar's) for some examples of catagory organization. The current organization hurts my eyes when I scroll through. The reason is not as many line breaks, which cause the sections to blur together. 
This is easily fixed by removing the heading "fictional" perspective, breaking it down into history, society, army, special info or characters, then gaming (history of books, edition rules, campaigns, etc). 
Also, the info box is a little problematic (because they normally go at the top, but so do the current codexes), so maybe create a different page devoteed to the individual societies/planets/systems, which can expand on a lot of information there about culture and the rest. Possibly call it Tau_society or Tau_culture, or something similar. The Eldar have Craftworlds, so it has a more convienent name, and I don't know what the Tau parallel would be. 
Also, maybe another side page discussing the Kroot army (as it was mentioned many times in White Dwarf, had chapter approved articles/in the Chapter Approved 3 book, and has special miniatures by forge world to expand on it). 
This paragraph starting: "The Tau were the fourth army" could definately fall at the bottom undering a gaming section. Its definately information that isn't primary (meaning, if I just came to a page, whats the most important thing to find first). But yeah, I have some other things to expand on other pages, but these were just some things that I thought of (and currently lack the time to bother doing any on my own). 
So far, the actual text is looking good. SanchiTachi 05:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, the Imperium page is the page that discusses the government for the humans, where the army pages only discuss it in passing. Maybe a similar thing belongs here, as the Tau have many versions in the different games/different information present about culture (like Fire Warrior has a bunch of excerpts about it, game and book), and the Kroots/Vespid societies have their own aspects that probably should be discussed but would clutter the army page. SanchiTachi 05:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Suggestions

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Codex- Tau Empire.jpg

message: I don't have either of the Tau codexes to hand, but when I read the History section it ringed a few bells in my memory.  Can someone check it's not a word-for-word copy from a codex (old or new)? Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 22:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: Is there even a shred of evidence to support that change to the page C(itationd efinatly needed)?
The Squats are the analogue to Dwarves in Warhammer fantasy, who are not ranged weapon specialists and are notable for their very strong armour and sturdiness in both hardware and physiology and are rowdy and bawdy as characters and good in melee combat. Squats were similar to that thesis in many respects.
Compare this to the Tau - who's armour and technology is sophiscated butnot especially resilliant compared to the space marines, who are quiet and reserved in character, and cannot fight in close combat in just about any shape or form.
I've never seen any official information that says they're Space Dwarves, not all races have analogues, take the Tyranid for example.--85.62.18.3 01:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A vandalism edit that was missed earlier - has been reverted now. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 01:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tau = Squats Replacement? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Codex- Tau Empire.jpg

message: Does the "Appeal to the Players" bit have any references cause it looks like someones original research and opinion. Personally I like them because they have a Japanese flavour (advanced technology in a smaller empire, warriors willing to sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good (they can even get a bomb that makes them kamikaze), the Caste system, and the Ethereals remind me of a member of the Imperial family or Daimyo, pushing the moral and skill of their troops to the max and using something vaugely similar to the weapons of a samurai, but thats just me. IF there are resources supporting it, put it back cause I'm taking it out until then. Also removing the bit about whatever artists work they resemble, original research.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeal 

message: In the strategy section of this article it states that the player may take advantage of Commander Farsight's special rule which causes all Tau units to gain the "preffered enemey" special rule, this may have been aplicable for the 3rd edition of the codex, but with the changes found in Commander Farsight's section of the 4th edition, now the "preffered enemy" rule for armies that include Farsight only applies to Orks. So it might be wise to either edit this subsection to note that it may only work against Orks or remove it altogether.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.186.56 (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oversight 

message: I've found an autopsy picture of Tau somewhere...
Here.
And i wonder, is this picture is official?
I mean, it isn't some kind of fan-art or something...
And then i remembered the X-COM:Enemy Unknown game and the Ethereal race.
Here is the link to Ufopaedia.
Aren't they... similar?Especially the autopsy image.
And also, X-COM is 1993, and Tau is
late 2001.
p.s.
Sorry for my errors in spelling or something,just curious.
94.180.169.59 (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity? 

message: Besides requesting more inline citations I find the bit below on the Bibliography section in rather poor form: 
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I'm sure it won't be too hard to scare up the pertinent titles for those who have access to the pertinent publications. Dracontes (talk) 04:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This topic seems not likely to be notable on its own and should be merged here. Thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 14:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of [[Kroot]] 

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