Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia/Archive 1

message: This WikiProject provides some overlap with the smaller established projects. I'm starting this discussion to best determine how to have all Australian WikiProjects exist in harmony. Kirill Lokshin suggests on my talk page the military history model was the merging of smaller projects into task forces dedicated to core topics. I'm not strongly in favour of any major changes like this before seeing what others think. Firstly I see us needing core topics to begin with. Work began on this at the AWNB last week. As for the rest of the content here, feel free to edit and correct whatever you deem necessary to bring the system home. -- Longhair 03:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For articles which don't relate to any Australian WikiProjects, I've added the orphan=yes parameter to . See Talk:Advance Australia Fair for an example. Its use is optional. -- Longhair 01:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smaller WikiProjects overlap

message: If this article is part of your project I suggest that this article is one too! Just a heads up! :) Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 14:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. I've removed the notice. -- Longhair 01:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SJ Fletcher]] 

message: - I've made a Userbox for those Userbox people, if you want to use it it's User WPAustralia --bdude Talk 06:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a slight edit to it so it makes more sense. Froggydarb 07:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. Perhaps somebody can give the  template an overhaul to use some Aussie colouring? It's on my todo list but it's priority is slipping fast :( Any takers? -- Longhair 07:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will do tonight. --darkliight[πalk] 07:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. I've removed the alternating colours, because alternating green and gold sent my dog blind and he can't even see colour! Also, I used a slightly lighter green than the one used in the userbox so you could see the writing a bit better. Let me know if you think anything needs changing, or just go ahead and change it (or revert if it's that bad). Cheers --darkliight[πalk] 13:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks great. I tried the green and gold combination myself and agree it's difficult to find a good match which doesn't test the eyes. You've done well. -- Longhair 23:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: How are these actually supposed to improve content, wouldn't these acutally be more useful in the project space rather than in the talk space?--Peta 06:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance and quality ratings

message: Ok, not sure where to stick this, but can we use stuff from here to help out in the above article? I am hoping to make this article good, but I need some help. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Advance Australia Fair]] 

message: Should the project banner replace all the subsidiary WikiProject notices (ie, ,  etc)? Also, surely there isn't any point in having separate assessments for subsidiary WikiProjects, as is happening with  and ?--cj | talk 07:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about this happening, but my focus for now has been getting the project and template working towards everyone's satisfaction. Assessments has raised some discussion. The template parameter already allows for sorting articles by project and also provides for each WikiProject to select an appropriate image to represent and link to themselves. One drawback to having this banner replace the others is the smaller projects lose control over their own to-do lists, though with changes to the template code there may be a way to enable a custom lists based on the project selected at the time. -- Longhair 01:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: After reading this again, I admit I used the Geelong WikiProject as a test case for these assessments. I'm happy to bring the projects I manage under the same banner. It makes good sense to contribute to the one overall statistical count. -- Longhair 05:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont see a problem with two banners, this one and a more focused group banner, if there were more, then only the 2 highest importance rated ones. That importance scales for this compared to the focus group will be different. The only real concern is that both assessments on the quality scale are the same. Gnangarra 06:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One banner to rule them all?

message: Dear members
An article with your banner on it, Platypus, is about to go down the gurgler in the FAR/C room. Anyone care to contribute to fixing up the article? Tony 11:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platypus 

message: Frustrated with the lack of decent information about daytrips/weekends away and travel in my region, i decided to start a [on south east queensland].  If anyone is willing to help me fill out this shell, go for it... and i also just found out this porject existed, so i might put my two cents in....
cheers,
Ryan
:The best place to do that is at Wikitravel. See the Queensland page for a starting point. Nurg 03:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi all 

message: After the recent deletion of what I and some others considered to be a well-known church in Sydney, I think it's time that we came to a consensus on what constitutes notability for a church in Australia - I use "church" coming from a Christian background, but presumably notable synagogues, mosques, etc should also probably be included in this. While notability for churches as a whole might be a good idea, I'm mindful that Australian white settlement, being only 200 odd years old, doesn't lend itself to the kind of historical value that church articles in England or the US might have compared to here. I think there should be some guidelines on what constitutes a notable church or place of religious worship in Australia. I think there should be more to it than a church simply having an historical value. The church, after all, is the people, not the building, so I think large churches in terms of congregational size, and not necessarily church building size, should be a factor for inclusion in this. I'm still trying to think of some categories for notability - obviously we don't want church articles reading like advertisements, as there should be encyclopaedic value to the articles; yet at the same time I don't think the view that some WP articles are taking, that any church article where the building is not historic is spam and should be deleted, is right either. I'm grateful to anyone for some views on this. (JROBBO 03:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately the primary way to prove notability (even though it's not a guideline) should be with multiple reliable references. If those exist, then the subject is by (my) definition notable. I'd suggest that the main guideline should be to not create stub or "directory" style articles about churches, as these will end up in AFD. So my suggestion of a "criteria" is that there should be sufficient reliable references to support an article of at least 4 or 5 paragraphs (ie too long to include within a suburb article). For older churchs the easiest references to find would be in local history books, for newer churches (if they're truly notable) it shouldn't be too hard to find references in newspapers and the like. If no one can find reliable references then I think it would be fair to dispute that the church warrants its own article. -- Mako 05:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If someone, or a group of people are able to produce a quality article about a place of worship, then let it stand. When wikipedia can cover some very esoteric subjects without the bat of an eyelid, I think a community gathering place like a church can have it's own article deservedly. SauliH 02:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Churches/Places of Religious Worship in Australia

message: Due to current media attention I expedited a review for this article.  I've awarded this good article status and consider it close to FA quality.  It's still listed as a b-class article in your project.  Please reevaluate. Durova 17:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't "read well with snorkelling" ... Golden Wattle, you've lost me there.  Why should it read worse with snorkelling than with anything else?  As for while vs. whilst, I've written about all I have to say on that on the Aussie English Talk Page.  Jimp 02:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thus isn't the point that in Australia we would say "while snorkelling"?  This was in the context of Steve Irwin not reading while snorkelling :-) --Golden Wattle  talk 09:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Steve Irwin]] 

message: I have created two articles which may be of interest to this group, Australiana and Stubby cooler.  Feel free to edit them mercilessly.  Regards Parasite 07:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The list of comanies now associated with Australiana (eg Arnotts, Mortein, XXXX, Akubra) are all owned by forien corps.  In fact, that's were I got the list from.  Please feel free to add some well known Australian companies to this list that are still Australian owned.  Oh, and a picture of australian art would be nice too.  Thanks Parasite 08:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubby coolers and Australiana 

message: Discussion is ongoing at Talk:Bill O'Reilly as to whether the Bill O'Reilly page should redirect to the commentator, the cricketer, or neither.  Your input would be appreciated. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill O'Reilly 

message: I think it might be a good idea to merge the Southern Gold Coast articals into 1. {I mean Tweed Heads to Broadbeach} We might turn 10 stubs into 1 FA. Nathannoblet 08:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? I don't see any point in merging every article on every suburb or town on the Gold Coast just to make one super-article. Every unique subject is deserving of it's own article in an encylopedia, and towns are unique. Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian places might be interested in your proposal, but I don't think it'll happen. -- Longhair\talk 09:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Southern Gold Coast Articals 

message: There has been a minor revert war on Northern Territory about the naming of these places between myself and an anon editor, who has now given reasons for his/her changes. I have called for a debate on Talk:Northern Territory and hope we can reach consensus. --Bduke 22:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Uluru]] and [[Kata Tjuta]]

message: I'm Australian born and raised and have always lived in Australia for every second of my life, I have visited every capital city of Australia and many country towns. I believe that Wikipedia doesn't have enough information on Australia and since I found out about this project I've been very interested. I am no admin or anything special like that, and I haven't been a wikipedian for that long but I really would love to join. If you wish to find out more about me visit my user page on User: John Harrison Highns.
Kind Regards John Harrison Highns 01:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'd Love To Join 

message: This site was mentioned on 6PR in Perth tonight it has copies of original documentation for the foundation of Australia including Cook originals orders http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/default.asp. should be useful information there for a number articles. Gnangarra 11:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resource - Foundation Documents 

message: Hello Australians!
I've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cave Clan article, mostly with the controversy surrounding the group and the resulting lack of neutrality.  Before the NPOV and clean-up tags come down, it would be great if a few other Wikipedians could take a look.  Thanks! -- hibou 18:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting help on Cave Clan 

message: Greetings colleagues,
I work at the National Library and had a look at our entry - it's a bit sparse and uninformative, especially concerning the largest library network in the world (Libraries Australia) which has 40 million holdings, and over a thousand contributing libraries.  I'm posting this as a heads-up.  I work for Libraries Australia and will be drafting an entry for us.  I haven't contributed to Wikipedia before, so will be looking up the procedures for that as well.  On the plus side, it's nice to see PictureAustralia has some mention :) --Curufea 05:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libraries Australia 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Hello!  Can anyone enlighten me regarding the general copyright situation regarding text and images from the State Library of Victoria?  Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this should cover the question about images http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Australia on Commons, all govt works before 1956 are pd, for non government works it best to read the various topics including external links to relevant legislation. Gnangarra 13:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting.  Easy enough, thank you! --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until Australian copyright law was revised under the US-Australia free trade agreement legislation at the end of 2004, the limits were 50 years for images and life+50 for text. The new legislation wasn't retroactive, so material in the public domain by the end of 2004 remained so. Therefore All Australian images published before the end of 1954 are in the public domain and All Australian text by an author who died before the end of 1954 is in the public domain. Hesperian 03:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright question 

message: Bodyline is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 01:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bodyline]]

message: From the Wikipedia Signpost:
An article by Jenny Sinclair (who has edited as User:Jenny Sinclair) in The Australian uses the lack of articles on notable Australian writers to explain how Wikipedia works, the nature of Wikipedia's "patchy, arbitrary" coverage, and the impact Wikipedia is having on the internet generation.  After discussing the reasons Wikipedia has become a must use resource, Sinclair urges Australians to improve the Wikipedia articles on literature and signs off the article intending to "create that listing for Jessica Anderson."
I'm an American, and I'd really rather not let this thing be dominated by us and the English. I'd really like to read more about Australia, and I applaud this WikiProject's efforts to better represent the nation. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 15:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian literature articles 

message: Please see Talk:Australian Aboriginal mythology#Requested move if you would like to contribute to a proposed move request. —Mets501 (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Would any participants here like to help me make Holden Commodore or Ford Falcon into featured articles?? I think at least one should be a featured article; any advice on making the articles into one would be good. --SunStar Net 00:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:FA]] suggestion 

message: Sydney Riot of 1879 is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sydney Riot of 1879]]

message: Eureka Stockade is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 21:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Eureka Stockade]]

message: Would someone mind creating an article about the controversial,, book Jonestown: The Power and the Myth of Alan Jones, about Alan Jones, written by Chris Masters? Thanks, Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jonestown 

message: I've got the article on the Brabham Formula One team up at Featured Article Candidates at present. It's been marked as a WikiProject Australia article for a while - now would probably be a good time to check whether you're still happy with that. I think when it was labelled as such, the lead started off by saying it was an Australian team. It had said that since before I started editing it - unfortunately after further research it turns out that it was not. The team was always based in the UK and raced under a UK license. Having said that, it was established by two Aussies, used Australian built engines to win two world championships and was largely staffed by Aussies and Kiwis for its first decade. Your call, I'm quite happy for it to remain part of WP:Aus if you feel it still meets the criteria. Cheers. 4u1e 21:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brabham 

message: How should articles on indigenous aboriginal communities be entered - as per towns or is there different protocol?  Fancyfootwork 07:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Towns and bounded localities are treated the same way. Assuming that it is a gazetted locality (i.e. it is listed in the Gazetteer of Australia ), then the article should be as per towns. Hesperian 10:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geo protocol 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: For anyone who has not noticed - there are now three state projects up and running.  Please support these projects as they all need participants and help to buld and maintain.
:Wikipedia:WikiProject Tasmania
:Wikipedia:WikiProject Victoria
:Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia
SatuSuro 02:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WP State Projects

message: I need to improve Graham Staines and it is tagged as (Australian Crime) while it actually is a biography.--Poulton 12:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography project

message: Hi guys,
The template  has recently been created for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub Sorting. It would be nice if you could add it to any stubs about organizations based in Australia you happen to come accross.
Thanx,
--Carabinieri 19:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia-org-stub

message: Hey, do I need to apply here? Or just add my name to the list? AtomicZero 11:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just add your name to the list. Welcome aboard... -- Longhair\talk 11:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks AtomicZero 12:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining the project 

message: I've just added the Pat O'Shane article to wikiproject AU in the hope of attracting more eyeballs to it.  It has some NPOV problems and would benefit from more diverse input. John Dalton 23:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat O'Shane Article 

message: Hi,  I've just put photo requests on Stubby cooler and Australiana, and figure that maybe somebody on this WikiProject may have a suitable image.
Thanks,
Parasite 00:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos needed for [[Stubby cooler]] and [[Australiana]] 

message: Hello. I recently nominated the Dannii Minogue article for FA status. I was wondering if anyone could take the time to look it over to double check spelling, prose, etc. Thank you so much. -- Underneath-it-All 03:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dannii Minogue]] article 

message: There is a discussion about moving the name of this article to a name that is more consistent with other grape name articles. Since there is a regional preference between Shiraz and Syrah, any additional input would be appreciated. Please voice your thoughts on the Talk:Shiraz grape page Agne 22:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shiraz grape]] article name 

message: Wasn't sure by what means the wikiproject determines its collaborations, but figure this should be brought to somebody's attention, in here. Luna Santin 07:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request at [[Template talk:Collab-australian]] 

message: Professor and Reader (academic rank) might need an Australian eye.  I'm not sure if they describe the situation in Oz very well. For example, Professor used to suggest that Australians universities use Reader not Associate Professor. Here in NZ most use AP not Reader and I think they do in Oz as well so I update the page accordingly but perhaps I'm wrong. 203.109.240.93 00:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If nothing else pop a  tag at the top and note why on the Talk Page. This can stimulate some discussion --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  01:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added material and corrected material to these articles and academic rank. These articles are very confused because academic ranks are different in different countries even if they have the same same. For example, Associate Professor in Australia is not equivalent to Associate Professor in the US but to a normal Professor (not a named or distinguished chair, which is equivalent to Professor in Australia). Similarly Lecturer and, particularly Senior Lecturer are not equivalent to the US Assistant Professor because they are permanent (what passes for tenure these days) while the US position is defined by it being a non-tenure position. The term Reader in Australia is dieing out, with only a few old lags hanging on to it. --Bduke 21:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pages might need work 

message: The AfD on List of Australians reinforced an earlier impression I had that we had poor coverage of Australian Scientists and Science. The number of redlinks in the "Science and Technology" section of that list was much greater than for the other sections. I created David Rivett, second Professor of Chemistry at Melbourne University and then Head of CSIRO for many years. We should have had that article long ago. It needs a lot more work, particularly on his work at CSIRO. We have poor coverage of Fellows of the Australian Academy of Science, even the Foundation Fellows such as Rivett. Would anyone help me to set up a sub-project of this project to improve coverage of Australian science and scientists? --Bduke 21:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Australian Science

message: There is a revert war going on at John Funder. --Eastmain 23:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Funder]] 

message: I recently noticed that someone had tagged Henry Croft under your project. I don't think that Croft really would be appropriate for it. Yes, he was born in Australia, but he moved to England at the age of 1. He would later move back after finishing school, but would again leave soon for the United States. He was not really Australian except for the fact that he was born there. He was more Canadian, and even served in a provincial legislature for British Columbia. So, I don't really see Croft falling under the scope of Australia. Kaiser matias 23:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Croft is listed under the category Australian businesspeople.  I did a mass tagging of that category with the  template earlier and this article was swept up in the run. Does that category suit? Feel free to remove both if you don't think they're suitable. -- Longhair\talk 00:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but Australians take ownership of anyone who so much as sets foot in this country.  So no, you can't have him back.  Look at Russell Crowe and Mel Gibson. ;)  --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  07:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Croft 

message: Just to let everyone know, I've merged All Nations Park into Northcote, Victoria and redirected the page to Northcote, Victoria as there had been a suggested merge tag on since december with no objections. If anyone disagrees with me feel free to revert back RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Nations Park 

message: There is an interesting discussion going on at WikiProject Cities (discussion here) about the best way to organize the relationship between parent and descendent projects.  WikiProject Australia has been pointed out to us as an example of the use of "sub-projects" within a parent project, rather than "descendant projects" within a parent project.  
I am not familiar with the details of how sub-projects work on a day-to-day basis.  Would someone contact me here or on my talk page, to help us out.  Spamreporter1 18:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been talk of late between a few editors about changing the way we do things at WP:AUS, mostly do with the subprojects and assessments, and reducing the amount of templates needed on talk pages. It's time we pushed ahead with it actually. For those interested, I've created a subpage at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Future so that we can plan ahead. -- Longhair\talk 19:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for information 

message: Greetings WikiProject Australia from Wikipedia:WikiProject Reference Desk Article Collaboration. We have just created Cork hat and what we would really, really like is a free image of a comedy cork hat. Some one must have one... Whadyasay? Rockpocket 09:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo request 

message: As part of the article assessment process at WikiProject Cities I came across this stub article West Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands.  This was the first territorial capital I have ever seen in such a poor state.  I live in Canada and do not have physical access to this area.  If any members of this wikiproject could put some effort into improving it, that would be greatly appreciated. Alan.ca 20:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands 

message: I started a personal project to initiate and improve coverage of the issue of Climate Change and Global warming in relation to Australia. I have received some criticism for this and am therefore now trying to improve my approach and have the importance of the overall topic recognised in relation to Australia. There are numerous articles relating to Climate change, Global warming Effects of global warming but they are quite US focussed. There is virtually nothing on Australia, which is surprising as the Stern report suggests that Australia is likely to be hit quite hard and the issue has been in the news virtually every day since a month before An Inconvenient Truth commenced playing in cinemas. IPCC Fourth Assessment Report has recently been released and there is overwhelming scientific agreement as to climate change causing global warming as the result of human activity and that unless greenhouse gas emissions, notably CO2, are dramatically reduced quite quickly, there will be further temperature and sea level rises, and that these will impact strongly on Australia. We have even seen John Howard move from skeptic to considering a carbon cap and trading scheme. Clearly something is happening here and WP hardly recognises it at present in the Australian context.
I seek suggestions as to the structure of a project to ensure that climate change and global warming are covered from an Australian perspective in WP, and that articles on other topics recognise and discuss the issue these issues where relevant.
My approach to date has been to start articles on Coal Mining in Australia, Wind power in Australia and Solar power in Australia, and to follow from general articles on relevant issues to an article about that issue in Australia eg from Effects of global warming to Effects of global warming on Australia now redirected (quite wrongly in my view) to Climate of Australia. I have also amended articles including on Clean coal technology where they ignored issues and appeared to represent a pro-industry POV. 
I also stumbled into a debate about the relationships of environment, ecology and conservation which are related and sometimes overlapping but essentially different topics. 
I look forward to your thoughts. dinghy 14:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate Change and global warming - Causes, Solutions, Effects of Global Warming on Australia,  

message: After an article called "List of Australians" was deleted, a conversation has sprung up in various places about appropriateness of various lists. If that interests you, please join the discussion I have started at talk:Lists of Australians. Many of those lists need deletion or major work. --Scott Davis Talk 06:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of people 

message: Is anyone watching the edit war there? Satu[[User 
talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 12:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Railpage Australia

message: Hello, I am HB4026 and I am the newest member of the Wikiproject Australia. 
Does anybody know any information on Ford Falcons? I need some help to split up the articles into 'Model Sub-Articles' because I don't know alot about Falcons predating the AU. Please contact me if you are of any assistance. ThanksHB4026 03:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ford Falcon

message: See California Quail, it's even part of Project Australia. --Dara 07:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the article "They were originally found mainly in the southwestern United States but they have been introduced into other areas including ... Norfolk Island and King Island in Australia" --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  07:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I've read that. So can we list rats and cats (and the hundreds more introduced animal and plant species) as being Australian animals since they were introduced there too? --Dara 07:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many American things are now considered Australian because they live here, for example Nicole Kidman and Mel Gibson.  But if you were to remove the Australia Project tag from the Quail I don't think anybody is going to mind.  (And, after his recent behaviour, you could probably make a good case for taking Mel back too. ;) --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  07:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, flora and fauna that are naturalised in Australia are considered Australian. For example, the Flora of Australia series of monographs includes both native and naturalised taxa. ("Naturalised" means introduced and able to survive and breed at a rate sufficient to maintain populations, so most garden plants don't count, but rats and cats certainly do.) Hesperian 11:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  California Quail is an Australian bird? 

message: A quick overview for newcomers: The Kingbotk Plugin is a set of add-on tools for the wiki editor, AWB. In bot mode it offers robust templating for WikiProjects. In manual mode, it can also be used to help editors assess articles quickly and efficiently.
Per requests, myself and  have just released a new version of the Kingbotk Plugin which is compatible with the latest AWB. To make things even easier, the plugin now ships with AWB. You may also have noticed my bot running over the last few days, testing the new version.
Since your WikiProject is one of the few which are programatically supported it's important that you inform us of any important changes to your WikiProject's template which have occurred in the last few months.
*The most important change we should know about is new redirects to your template. If your template could possibly be used on talk pages with a different name unknown to the plugin, double templating could result. Please take the time to check for redirects to your project's template - somebody might have created one without you noticing.
*Deprecated or removed parameters. We don't want complaints that the plugin is using old syntax now do we? :)
*Not critical in terms of annoying the masses, but for your own convenience you might want to let us know of any new parameters that the plugin needs to support. Remember, it only needs to support parameters which will be added by bots or which are useful in the article assessment process.
I hope you still find the tool useful. Comments, questions and bug reports to User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. Cheers. --kingboyk 17:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingbotk Plugin 

message: It sh*ts me that our importance categories are entitled for example :Category:Top-importance Australia articles i.e. with a lower case "i" for "importance; but our quality categories are entitled for example :Category:FA-Class Australia articles i.e. with an upper case "C" for "Class". Looking at other projects, it appears that the latter is at fault - it should be a lower case "c".
It's pretty late to be trying to fix this, but as time passes it's not getting any sooner. I propose to fix it in the following way:
#Create an alternative category structure using lower case "c";
#Add documentation to both category pages indicating that a transfer is in process;
#Change the  template to tag into the correct category. In a perfect world this would fix the problem instantaneously, but in this world it triggers a database update that takes so long that it is placed on the job queue and executed asynchronously, probably over a period of a few days;
#Once the asynchronous update is complete, delete the old category and remove the documentation from the new.
Is this acceptable? Hesperian 02:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have any objections. I presume you'll undertake the transfer?--cj | talk 04:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Hesperian 04:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with the change. -- Longhair\talk 07:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment categories

message: Caulfield Grammar School has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
LuciferMorgan 02:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Caulfield Grammar School FAR

message: Hi there down under, Just to let you all know that the template has been created for Aussie film and cinema people article e.g film actors, directors etc. Please tack this tmeplate at the foot of all film related pages. Hope you like it
 ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fairly obtrusive.--cj | talk 23:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've de-emphasised it. Hesperian 23:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aussie cinema

message: This proposal will have wide-ranging consequences for this project and others. Worth a look, for those interested.--cj | talk 23:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reform