Talk:Bill Graham (Canadian politician)

message: I know this sounds confusing, but according to today's reports, while Graham has become interim parliamentary leader of the party, and Leader of the Opposition, he is not the interim Leader of the Liberal Party; the leader for now remains Paul Martin. So it is premature to add the Liberal Leaders template unless Martin drops his other duties and makes Graham full interim leader. 23skidoo 20:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Leadership

message: Please refer to Talk:Bill Graham to discuss and vote on the requested move. - Jord 01:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Move completed. --a.n.o.n.y.m   t 01:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Also compare the 472,000 hits for the supposedly 'less notable' Bill Graham vs only 156,000 hits for this one. Seems like just more of the 'flavor of the month' thinking that Wikipedia excels at. 24.18.215.132 03:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: The article says that he grew up in Vancouver and Montreal.  It also says that he went to Upper Canada College which happens to be in Toronto.  Did he "grow up" in all three?  --JGGardiner 07:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not quite so personal

message: What does the "D.U." post-nomial listed stand for?
: I don't know either, unless it's depleted uranium.  Ctjj.stevenson added it to the article at 15:36 MST on 13 January 2006. Indefatigable 22:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably for Doctor of the University which is an honourary degree much like LLD or DLitt - Jord 22:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is really just speculation but the University of Ottawa gives out a lot of DUs.  Ottawa U is very concerned with french language in Ontario... Mr Graham's awards are mostly for promoting the french language in Ontario.  Both are in Ottawa.  If I was going to look, this might be where I'd start.  --JGGardiner 05:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Who's Who 2006, Bill Graham received the title of Docteur de l'Université from the University of Paris. 19:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  D.U. 

message: This section is a stub.  You can help JGG out by expanding it.  Thanks.  --JGGardiner 17:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Graham's Advocacy

message: This incident is most associated with the RCMP, so what is Foreign Affair's role in this? GoldDragon 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Maher Arar]]

message: Here's a more accurate citation from the CBC article:
:"People of my riding, I hope, will understand why I believe it is important that they be represented by a future voice rather than somebody from the past," he told his fellow MPs.
:He later told CBC News that he's rooting for Rae, who was the NDP premier of Ontario from 1990 to 1995.
:"I'd really like to see Bob elected, he's a great person, I think he'd be a wonderful parliamentarian," Graham said of Rae, who doesn't hold a seat in the House of Commons.
CJCurrie 22:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not for you to intuit what Graham intended, either. The inclusion of the word "however" in the sentence creates a POV assertion that Rae is not "a future voice" (and, in turn, that Graham is therefore contradicting himself by supporting Rae), neither of which are Wikipedia's place to decide. You're the one introducing inappropriate assumptions about Graham's intention here, not CJCurrie. Bearcat 08:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Then the answer for a biographer as opposed to a hagiographer would be to delete the "however" not the whole text.  Mr. Currie's first instinct seems to be to delete all unfavourable sourced text on Lib pols and to replace it with unsourced favourable text.  I wonder why? --Kibomt 13:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, my inclination was to delete dodgy and obviously slanted information.  I'll make no apologies for this.  (In the case of the Rae story, I didn't think it was significant enough to mention in any event.)  CJCurrie 19:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Kibomt, it's clear to me that you're operating under a pretty slanted definition of "objective" — that is, you're mistaking "neutral" for "agrees with my own opinion of the subject". In both the Rae and Arar situations, you clearly selected facts that could be stacked together to create loaded assertions about Graham and Rae. Bearcat 22:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: That is not a surprising view having regard to your own edit history. No wonder CJCurrie asked you for a "neutral" second opinion on your talk page.  Your days of unchallenged hagiography are over.  In both cases referred  to you I have added sourced material that will surely be included in any bio of the two Liberal pols in question.  Suppressing that information discredits Wikpedia, but will not silence the truth. --Kibomt 08:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Graham/Rae

message: This whole article is a whitewash. Mr Graham could have written it himself. It avoids any controversies, and truths. He has never stated that he is a member of the Anglican Church. His homosexuality is well-known and should be noted. Without the discussion page; nobody would have a clue of who this man is. Shame on the editor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factcorrect12 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The question of his sexuality has been endlessly debated on here, and the issue is that whatever anybody thinks they know, there aren't any actual verifiable or reliable sources for any of it. There simply isn't anything we can say about it in this article without proper sources, and those don't exist. Bearcat (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What national newspaper wrote about it when? I have direct access to several news databases — one which includes every single article ever published by any major newspaper in all of Canada as far back as 1981, and dedicated Toronto Star and Globe and Mail databases which go all the way back to the 1800s — and all three of those come up completely dry for any coverage whatsoever of the matter. If we could find any reliable sourcing for it, things might be different — but I can't find so much as a comma, and nobody else has shown any evidence of it either. Bearcat (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of Article 

message: Due to the strong feelings expressed by many that Mr.Graham is a homosexual from several news articles, comments in the Parliament of Canada and his lack of denial; and the constant refusal to print these "allegations" in the main page,I feel that the editor should identify if she/he has any association with Mr Graham. It is not merely allegations as the editor states of the need to identify a heterosexual as such, but the hypocrisy that people straight or gay disapprove of, and the illegal accusation that Mr. Graham publically hired an underage male prostitute,that was covered my the mainstream press.  What proof does this editor require?  The comments should and can easily be covered under a controversies section as many inividuals are, with far less supporting evidence.  Public officials receive taxpayers money while in office and out of, and are held at a higher level of accountability. If we require 100% verification for anything controversial on a public person; nothing would ever be mentioned. We would never even have heard of PM Mulroney and the Airbus scandal. It is a good thing ths editor does not edit a newspaper, although maybe Pravda would be in her/his style. Who are you and what are your irrational motives? 12.47.191.130 (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Impartiality in this Article 

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message: Bit of a conundrum here. Per Bill Graham's autobio, his birth certificate listed his father as Loring Bailey, his mother married F. R. Graham after Bill was born, and Bill only started living with F. R. when he turned four. It follows, then, that Bill's birth name must have been William Carvel Bailey, not William Carvel Graham. But nothing says this outright— not even his autobio.
So what to do? Do we leave Graham as his birthname, even though it wasn't, to match how no source really talks about this? Is it fair to infer his birth name from the information we have? Or can any primary source be used to confirm? I mention this last one because I actually found a mention in the British Columbia Gazette of one William Carvel Bailey changing his name to William Carvel Graham, and used that to source his name… before worrying that constituted original research and self-reverting. I would appreciate any input from others on what to do here. — Kawnhr (talk) 05:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name