Talk:Bob Dylan (album)

message: Hey, how about some discussion on the songs? Dylan's supposed to be the greatest songwriter of all-time but reading these pages leaves me nothing on how that came to be. For example there's only two originals on his debut but I know at least one of them used a melody from an old folk song. Dylan did that quite a bit as did most folk artists. How about some lyrical analysis too?
: But why would you focus on songwriting in an article on an album that has only two original songs - one with no tune and one with a non-original tune? 
:: Songwriting is more than just tunewriting.  Moreover, I assume that the song you say has no tune is "Talkin' New York."  I'd suggest you look up Talking Blues -- a long tradition of "tuneless" songs that nonetheless had to be written.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.226.163.23 (talk) 03:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here is a comment about a song.  First of all, I agree that the words to the song which is entitled "Song To Woody" were written by Bob Dylan, but that the vocal melody to that song was written by Woody Guthrie.  And now here is a question about that song.  Why is it that in the article to which this is the talk page, there is no mention of this fact?  That Columbia Records has chosen to not give Woody Guthrie proper credit is one thing, but why did the author of this article choose to duplicate Columbia's questionable practice?  Any comments?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.25.133 (talk) 08:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have reliable sources to support the assertion the melody in question was written by Guthrie? Wikipedia is after all, a tertiary source, the policy of which is to publish only content and that it is verifiable in reliable published secondary sources, and in a neutral point of view.--JayJasper (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jay, thank you for your fast response, and I must admit that your question is well-put, for the simple reason that although I do know that Dylan borrowed the melody from Guthrie, I have not yet traced the melody back any farther than Guthrie, and so it might be that the buck does not stop there. However, I will continue searching, and find out what I can.  --Mike Mandaville  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.106.30 (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, so I have now succeeded in tracing the melody of the lyric "Song To Woody" back beyond Woodie Guthrie himself.  The song from which Dylan borrowed the melody for this lyric is the Guthrie song "1913 Massacre".  However, Woodie himself borrowed the melody for "Massacre" from Roud #140, which is variously known as "The Bold Grenadier", "The Nightingale Song" or "One Morning In May".--Mike  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.152.60 (talk) 14:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: More info about songs

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:Section headings take sentence case - see WP:MOS; and there are some POV issues such as 'the album did not receive its fair share of acclaim'.  Worldtraveller 14:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: 15. "Roll On John" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 3:16 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [7])
16. "Hard Times In New York" (live) Bob Dylan 2:32 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [11])
17. "Smokestack Lightning" (live) Chester Burnett aka Howlin' Wolf 3:03 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [3])
18. "Stealin' Stealin'" (live) G. Gannon 3:24 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [10])
19. "Baby, Please Don't Go" (live) J. Williams 2:19 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [8])
20. "The Death of Emmett Till" (live) Bob Dylan 5:11 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [5])
21. "Man On the Street" (live) Bob Dylan 2:25 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, September 1961 [1])
22. "Omie Wise" (live) Traditional 4:02 (WRVR-FM Radio, Riverside Church, New York City, New York, 29 July 1961 [2])
23. "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" (live) Bob Dylan 3:21 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, 15 October 1962 [3])
24. "The Girl I Left Behind" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 5:39 (WNYC Radio Studio, New York City, New York, 29 October 1961, Oscar Brand’s Folk Song Festival [2])
25. "Blowin' in the Wind" (live) Bob Dylan 2:29 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, May 1962 [3])
Source: Björner, Olof. Olof's Files: A Bob Dylan Performance Guide. Ottery St. Mary, Devon: Hardinge Simpole, 2002-
9781843820413
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/56355580 
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message: The first album was released in April 1962.
Many sources are wrong on that.
See Cash Box April 7 1962
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FONmMMNXEAA3Zk_?format=jpg&name=large
https://twitter.com/dagbraathen/status/1505159768901664768/photo/2
If anyone knows how to edit to Wikipedia standards... Htrowsle (talk) 10:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 1962!  

message: It’s misleading to say, as the article currently does, that Carolyn “Hester had invited Dylan to the session [her first album for Columbia] as a harmonica player.” According to Hester herself, Zimmerman had petitioned her to let him play guitar on the album. When she refused, he asked if could play harmonica instead and she relented. He’s on only two tracks. TheScotch (talk) 08:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hester 

message: Since the article discusses the liner notes already, it seems to me that something should be said about their outrageous lack of veracity. The liner notes state, for example, that “for six troubled months, Bob attended the University of Minnesota on a scholarship.” In fact, Zimmerman never attended, never enrolled, and did not have a scholarship. (This is just an example—and not even the most egregious.) TheScotch (talk) 08:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liner notes 

message: An arrangement cannot change in remastering.  The convention, as per every other song listed, is for no arrangement credit where there is an author (as opposed to a traditional song).  The arrangement credit should either be deleted or be changed to McDowell or Dylan but not both.  The footnotes do not support the arrangement credit as described.  If the intention was to state that the more recent (remastered) release of the song credits Dylan as arranger, then perhaps (if an arrangement credit is to be listed at all) that is the one to use.  But to distinguish a remastered version from the prior master of the exact same recording in such a way as to state that the two versions have a different arrangement makes no sense. 2603:7000:3400:29E1:6417:7B1D:79C2:FB84 (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Freight Train Blues" Arrangement Credit