Talk:Virtual Magic Kingdom/Archive

message: Brian, you might want to review the following statement:
Previously the tour was awarded after completing only the Adventureland, Fantasyland, and Frontierland quests, but shortly after the introduction of the Tomorrowland quest, that one became required as well.
I cannot believe that the Tomorrowland quest is required, do to the fact that a person introduced into VMK at the park, would not have access to the Tomorrowland quest.  Also, many people, on the website www.vmkingdom.com, speak of only needing three of the quests to be eligible for the tour.  I unfortunately have not been able to return to Disneyland after the introduction of the Tomorrowland quest to verify in person that it is required. - User:Panzaer 07:12, 16 August, 2005 (PST))
:I've gotten lots of different answers to this question. I went to the VMK counter on two separate occasions and asked; once I was told "any three quests", the other time I was told "only the original three quests". Online people insist to me they were told "all four quests are required." It looks like nobody's clear on the exact rules - including the castmembers - so I documented this in the article. - Brian Kendig 02:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tours

message: I honestly don't think the secret codes should be publicly available like this. People are meant to earn them, not go on Wikipedia to see what they are. --Evanwohrman July 6, 2005 06:39 (UTC)
Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but the codes are all over the web, and I've seen them posted prominently on VMK fan sites; a simple web search can turn them up. So I don't think it would serve any purpose to censor them here. - Brian Kendig 00:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Codes

message: I want to make a few things clear about some of the inaccurate "corrections" people have been making to this article.
*First off, stop deleting the multiple-use codes. Wikipedia does not censor information like this. The codes are available all over the place online, and are easily found in a Google search; I see no reason not to list them here.
*The VIP tour is awarded after completion of the Adventureland, Fantasyland, and Frontierland quests. The Tomorrowland quest has nothing to do with it. Stop saying "after all four quests" or "after all quests". Okay, I admit I was wrong here - they changed this recently. I'll correct the article. - Brian Kendig 17:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Corrections" 

message: This article could use some "why did Disney do this project" action. SchmuckyTheCat 15:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They haven't said, and any guesses would be pure speculation. - Brian Kendig 17:31, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Money - Motivation 

message: Hey everyone, I'd like to alert you to the fact that I protected this page for now, due to the current edit war. Please try to settle your differences here on this talk page, and remember that we all share the common goal of making Wikipedia the best encyclopedia in the world. :) Once the differences are settled, list the page on WP:RFPP for unprotection (or let me know), and it'll be unprotected again. Thanks! -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 16:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your effort to resolve the edit war, but I think protecting the page wasn't the right decision - it's punishing people who want to make positive edits to the page, and I don't think it'll have any effect on MagicKnight. He's a new Wikipedia user who doesn't understand the concept of collaborative editing, and he'll just continue his reverts after the page is unprotected. I'm going to list this page on RFPP and ask that it be unprotected, and I'll continue trying to resolve the issue with MagicKnight in other ways. - Brian Kendig 17:34, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just unprotected it. From the history checks I made this morning and now I don't see that PP is currently justified. Should the problem suddenly get 'out of control' however it will be reconsidered (although present history doesn't suggest that it has done so as yet at any time). --Vamp:Willow 17:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Foxmagic since asked for page unprotection, so that's OK with me. I don't think that protection was unjustified, but if he thinks that the whole thing can be resolved without it, then that's fine, too. -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 18:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: apols for not removing the tag - phone rang part-way through dealing and just got off it --Vamp:Willow 18:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Protection 

message: Due to the redecoration of the Haunted Mansion in Disneyland, Series 2 Trading Cards have now become available.  The Haunted Mansion Quest has "temporarily" been replaced with a Pirates of the Carribean Quest.
Some of the new (Series 2) quest items are:
*4/30 Flaming Ransacked Window
*5/30 Crow's Nest Barstool
*6/30 Seagull's Nest Pirate Hat
*7/30 Pirate Treasure Rug
*8/30 Captain's Quarters Couch
*9/30 Pirate Insider Tour Pin
I have added a SERIES 2 section to include these cards on the article Panzaer 17:53, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Card Sets 

message: Just to clarify something: Wikipedia is a place to report on verifiable facts, preferably with references. Speculation - generally, anything that involves "Some people expect that ..." - does not belong here. With VMK in particular, there have been a great many rumors which have been proven wrong (for example, "The blue princess dress will be out at the next event"), so they hold even less weight here. We know there's a blue princess dress in the database and we can assume it may become available in the future, but this isn't a certainty.
If a costume or a room has been spotted in the game, being shown off by yavn or one of his friends, that's a verifiable fact that can go into the article. If this is the case, then it would also help to provide a reference (such as a link to a screenshot of it).
Just now I removed the mention of the Toy Story outfits, the Stitch outfit, and the Tomorrowland Space Mountain room. I've never seen nor heard of these, nor do I see any mention of them in the database. Can you provide any hard evidence as to their existence? - Brian Kendig 11:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: electric just stop it already. i must agree that you are a major control freak on this article. yes some people crashed but i dont think this information is needed in the article. some didnt crash i didnt crash. so it comes to a point where who wins? stop being a baby and use your own advice and work together. instead of creating a topic as i am doing you insist on reverting back to YOUR version. enough is enough already. i will not agree with you this time and usually support your reverts. sorry lime 64.12.116.139 09:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: The reason why I feel it's important to mention the problems VMK has had with events is that the game has terrible public relations - according to several polls I've seen on VMK message boards, hardly anyone has ever received a response from Disney after reporting a problem. When someone's been the victim of a scam and reported it to the online admins, they tell the person to report it on the web site; and when the person reports it on the web site, they never get a reply. The events have been rather dismal failures, with more complaints than congratulations on the message boards, and the server has become overloaded on multiple occasions when people have tried to get online to win a prize. I am not saying that everyone has had these problems - I'm only saying that a significant number of people have had these problems, as witnessed from the message boards. I feel it's important to cover this aspect of the game in the article. - Brian Kendig 09:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in regards to the disputed edit I'd try to cut down the text a bit. Also "large number" is POV :). Ryan Norton T | @ | C 21:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the game 

message: This is protected for a while for the edit war- as the aol ip that just reverted is most likely MagicKnight (whom I just blocked for 3RR) based on the edit. PLEASE discuss this people! Ryan Norton T | @ | C 09:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, for the record, I believe that 64.12.116.139 is someone different - I don't know who it is, but the person refers to me by my VMK name ("ElectricLime") and has a much different tone than MagicKnight has had. I'm willing to go with consensus on this article, and that's why I solicited third opinions. I appreciate your calm mind, RN! - Brian Kendig 09:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I feel the need to point out that this talk page and User talk:MagicKnight are full of my efforts to discuss this article, and that I'm the one who submitted it for peer review as well as a third opinion in an effort to get a larger number of opinions on it. Each time MagicKnight has insisted on reverting any changes to his edits, I've been following the rules for conflict resolution. - Brian Kendig 10:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: And that's what Wikipedia is all about - it's not "my edit" versus "your edit", it's a matter of finding a way to state information fairly. And I don't believe it has to involve compromise, either; it's all about what's best for the article, and most useful for the people who read it. That's why I want edits to have feedback - the more opinions there are, the more neutral an article can become, while remaining factual. All I want from you is to discuss issues here in Talk, rather than doing a blanket-revert each time you disagree with something. This is also why I think you'd benefit from exposure to other articles as much as Wikipedia would benefit from your help; I think it'd be useful for you to see how other disputes are handled. Keep fighting for fairness and keep the lines of communication open! - Brian Kendig 16:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that you have reconciled your views, or are in the process of doing so. Is the article's item at Wikipedia:Third opinion now unnecessary and safe to remove? Aapo Laitinen 21:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PROTECTED 

message: Brian, I completely agree with you on the long-term comment. Weekly changes are not really needed for this article, since it's more of a long-term informational source. Daily changes are reported on the myriad of fan sites and the official site. Perhaps we can limit the updates until after the event is closed, and then do a final edit with the new information. I do not believe fans visit consider this article to be the infinite and up to the minute source of information instead it's more of a general and long-term source for people. MagicKnight 00:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me! Would you like to take a stab at it after the 31st, when things settle down a bit? - Brian Kendig 17:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I'll do an update on 1 November. MagicKnight 18:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the update and made some other changes. See what you think, however I do think the current Games area looks better. I didn't have to time to reword the descriptions, let me know what you think. Thanks, MagicKnight 07:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long-Term! 

message: I much prefer the previous format, it's more aesthetically pleasing. In the future, please discuss such major changes to the article before you implement them. The information is important, as most of these items are sold individually. Should we make the article more concise by eliminating all additional details?! The information is needed in my opinion and therefore I have edited the details back in. Perhaps we can develop a more organized format (i.e. "Mission Space Suit (Helmet, Vest, Pants, Shoes)." I'm sure we can figure something out. MagicKnight 09:22, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd really prefer not to have every item listed out individually - there are just getting to be far too many of them, and IMHO this article is beginning to get mired down in the details. Also, listing every individual item keeps encouraging people to update the section every couple of days to reflect that items will soon be (or are no longer) on sale. I'm actually starting to think that we should make the article more concise by eliminating details that don't really have any bearing on gameplay: for example, keep the info about magic pins and pin prizes, but eliminate the lists of "numbered pins" and "pin series" and their store locations and costs, because that's getting too cumbersome to keep track of. Or else possibly spin off the detail lists into a subarticle - "Collectible items in VMK" or something like that. - Brian Kendig 13:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually you do have an excellent point there! Now that you mention it, it is getting a little out of control. Please feel free to make the recommended edits and changes to the article. In the unlikely event, I don't agree with any portion of the changes, I will discuss it here. I trust in your judgement and so do your best to make the article more concise :) MagicKnight 05:03, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costume  

message: :List of testers:
:Yavn/alyuel/AmericaSings/foe/Fusco/lasse/Morgil/nico/SillySyl/Taikuri/Wolfman
:List of VMK Staff:
:HOST_Annie/HOST_Bambi /HOST_Hula/HOST_Phinny/VMK_April/VMK_Babs/VMK_Bear/VMK_Bingo/VMK_Blue/VMK_Conga/
:VMK_Dinky/VMK_Flamingo/VMK_Ione/VMK_KittyCat/VMK_Lion/VMK_LoLo/VMK_Matt/VMK_Mocha/VMK_Nimue/
:VMK_Ting/VMK_Tink/VMK_Red/VMK_Runo/VMK_Smiles/VMK_Snail/VMK_Sunny/VMK_Zev/VMK_Zoo
:Most known VMK Players:
:CL_Nedakh/CL_MrGenie/CL_Danola/CL_Enderz/CL_Poseidon
I just removed the above lines from the article. What's the practical purpose of listing the testers, staff, and "most known" players? These lists aren't official, they're are subject to change without notice, and I don't see how putting up lists (which may already be outdated) will be at all useful to players. Especially the bit about the "most known VMK Players" (sic) - really, what's the point? - Brian Kendig 16:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing names of staff and testers and "most known" players? 

message: The section that states Yavn's name is derived from a Hebrew word meaning 'to build' is just a rumor, similar to the “if you rearrange the letters of the name, you get navy” rumor.  He actually selected the name from Star Wars episode 4. Yavin is a planet in that film, he dropped the i in the planets name because at that time in the games development they could only have 4 letters in their IDs. I've actually had this confirmed by yavn himself, though there is no way for you to confirm that I really know this, so I’ll understand if you don’t edit it.
:Thanks for the info, but I've been able to find some web pages which support the idea that 'yavn' might mean 'to build'. And I find it hard to believe that the game would have restricted player names to four letters at any point, especially 'cos eight of the other ten testers have longer names. - Brian Kendig 21:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yavn's name/meaning