Talk:Rhythm changes

message: I always thought the most common way to play the changes was:
 I  V7/ii | ii  V7 
That's what I hear in many of these songs.  Should this be up on the page?
Jrgsf (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: basic progression sub-dominant?

message: Nate, thanks for your comments in response to my recent post in the disussion of the article "Jazz", in the section "Much more needed...". 
It is true that the article Bebop is alot more informative!  BTW, In the discussion of Rhythm changes don't you want to also mention the "F-bridge": 
v / I7 /IV7 / IV7/ II7 / II7 / ii / V / ...see for example, Constellation below. I took the liberty of creating a table from your previous list.
Best regards128.231.88.4 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: main section

message: It would be nice to have a sample of the original gershwin and a couple examples of how it was used by various artists. --joeyo 23:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samples 

message: I see that a recent editor has fiddled the chords again, replacing the vi7 with a VI7 (dominant 7th) & then changing the F#-dim to F-dim. I suspect these may be closer to what Gershwin originally wrote (haven't got the sheet music here), & they're certainly one possible path through the chords, but I don't think that they are the usual rhythm changes--at least, most tunes written on them do not imply a VI7 in the 2nd half of the 1st bar, & I dunno about that diminished chord either.  (FWIW I just flipped to the "Rhythm Changes" chart in one of my fakebooks here & indeed it has the F#-dim not F-dim.)
Anyway, there really isn't one set of "right" changes--basically anything that's in the neighbourhood of the tonic will work on the A section, & anything circling around the fifths to land on the tonic will work on the B section.  But I think that the previous version is closer to "normal" rhythm changes, so the edit should be reverted.
Thoughts, anyone? --ND 14:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.learnjazzstandards.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Bb-Rhythm-Changes-C-Instruments.pdf68.48.204.94 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chords 

message: Do you include pieces that are partly based on the RC? I just see that Monk's (?) 52nd St. Theme goes Cmaj–Amin–Dmin–G7–C–Amin–Dmin–G7–etc., but the bridge goes way out.--Mardhil (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial Rhythm Changes 

message: For example, here is the form with substitutions used by the guitarist, Mickey Baker:
 | BbM6 Gb7  | F11  Gb7     | BbM6 Gb7   | F11  Gb7  |
 | Bb   Dbm7 | Cmi7 F13b5b9 | BbM6 Gb7   | F11  F13b9| 
 | BbM6 Gb7  | F11  Gb7     | BbM6 Gb7   | F11  Gb7  |
 | Bb   Dbm7 | Cmi7 F13b5b9 | BbM6 F13b9 | BbM6      |
 | D13       | D13  D13#5b9 | Dm6        | G13       |
 | C13       | C13  C13#5b9 | Cm6        | F13b9     |
 | BbM6 Gb7  | F11  Gb7     | BbM6 Gb7   | F11  Gb7  |
 | Bb   Dbm7 | Cmi7 F13b5b9 | BbM6 F13b9 | BbM6      |
The above was removed as uncited. I moved it here as there is a mention of Mickey Baker above and I thought you may be able to complete the citation. Hyacinth (talk) 07:38, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  whatever, the citation is right there in the previous section "at Page 50".  I don't really care. It was just to show what jazz substitutions might look like.68.48.204.94 (talk) 20:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: The most frequently cited source in this article is from a "free guitar lessons" website: :http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/moneychords/
The site itself actually uses this article as a reference and links here. All information attributed to the MoneyChords page should be removed, or else backed up be reliable sources. BassHistory (talk) 04:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like MoneyChords may be cribing from the Spitzer citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.60.111 (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Note that the "frequent" citations to the MoneyChords "Rhythm Changes" article are almost all in this article's list of songs using the changes. The MoneyChords article actually credits Wikipedia for only its last portion, showing the chord changes (in the key of C). I don't think we can really criticize a website for being free, unless you think Wikipedia should start charging. However, WP:SELFSOURCE provides some justification for viewing this source as unreliable. Hyacinth (talk) 01:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Slashes do not really indicate improvisation, per se. They indicate the beats and where the changes happen.  SeeChord chart68.48.204.94 (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slashes indicate improvisation?