Talk:Roy Keane

message: Roy Keane has in fact been sacked by Ipswich, he hasn't just "left". The wiki could be misread that he has left of his own accord, I suggest you change it.
 BBC News Story 
Is Roy keane of Man Utd related to Robbie Keane of Spurs?
Nope 134.226.112.12 17:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: I really think the 'Dog' section of this page is ridiculous. Some details from it are interesting and significant, although it is not concise at all, and some information is just silly. It reads as though from a fan page on Roy Keane rather than from an encyclopaedia. I will change myself and monitor if no one has an immediate problem.  Alanbuchanan (talk) 02:19, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog? Seriously? 

message: "most dramatic ideological split the country had seen since the Irish Civil War" - this sounds like an exaggeration, to put it mildly.  How big was it really?  Some more stuff in the article (quotes etc) would be great. CTOAGN 10:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not get too ahead of ourselves now.  It was a big deal in footballing terms and indeed cultural terms but I don't think we should be calling it the biggest split since the Civil War!  --Lochdale 18:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole Saipan fracas should be moved to a seperate article, as it is an incident that involves Keane, McCarthy, the FAI, Niall Quinn etc. etc. and isn't only about Roy Keane, so doesn't belong on this page.  It's clogging up 
"But, in terms of his support, that is where it started and ended. There is no financial contribution Dermot will make towards this deal."
Manager Gordon Strachan added: "He has proved over the last 15 years that he is a competitor.
"You can't get enough competitors in your squad and this was too good a chance to miss."
Keane will not be eligible to make his Celtic debut against Hearts at Tynecastle on New Year's Day as Scottish Premier League rules do not allow for players to be both registered and play on the first day of the new transfer window.
He will instead be aiming to face Clyde at Broadwood Stadium in the Scottish Cup third round the following weekend." bbc quote from RK article
I can't see any mention of either the £22,500 wage limit, or of the quote from Peter Lawwell, so I've amended the article to reflect what the BBC article actually says.--TheMadTim 19:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since the civil war 

message: "During his time at United, Keane was widely regarded as one of the finest midfield players of his generation"
"He is commonly held as one of the finest central midfielders to have played the game."
Commonly held by whom? The only quotes are from British players/managers and as Ireland never really preformed on the World or European stage as much as other people who play in the same role how can he be considered the finest to have played the game? Shouldn't that be the "to have played the game in England/Britain"?
--ptegan
From this article
"Dutch manager Louis van Gaal was so impressed by Keane's performances that he nominated the Corkman for FIFA World Player of the Year."
ptegan, I think you make a good point re: POV. I believe though it is a widely held POV by the football community, as opposed to the POV of  the article contibutors. I think the comments should stay.--Downunda 06:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Not sure what's going on here - comments on nomination page imply this is on hold and that changes have been made to answer 'concerns raised on talk page'. However, can't see anything here relating to those comments. Anyway - will be assessing this over the next half hour or so, so watch this space........ 4u1e 23:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After further reading, I've got more worries about this - Ferguson's statement in November 2005 that he "wouldn't predict" on Keane's management future at United can't have come from the hardcopy references, which pre-date it, and it's not cited elsewhere. 4u1e 00:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The 'Many say' would be a good example of weasel words, by the way. Who said? 4u1e 01:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: I quote from Template talk:Infobox football biography:
* — A  delimited list of appearances and (goals) that the player has been awarded in league competition only for each professional club.
Roy Keane played 326 matches and scored 33 goals in the Premiership, according to the Sky Sports Yearbook, Soccerbase and just about every other reliable source. The number 481 (51) which keeps resurfacing in the article includes cup games, European games, Charity Shield etc. However, the guidelines for the infobox clearly states league games only, so I'm changing it back. Again. --Badmotorfinger 17:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  League games 

message: I am not able to find reference to this book outside of Wikipedia and its mirror sites. It was originally listed with an invalid ISBN. Can someone provide more information? Thanks. Keesiewonder talk 10:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this book exist? 

message: People say that of recent years Zinedine Zidane has been the greatest player of the game (soccer, football) but i strongly believe that Roy Keane has been. In the occasions where the 2 have met and played against eachother Roy Keane has been the overall winner on every occasion. Whoever disagrees must be either lying, blind or extremley biasedRisteard B 14:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are getting this site mixed up with foot.ie!--Vintagekits 14:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You may believe Roy Keane is the greatest of this generation, but it's just your opinion. We rely on the opinions of people who work in the field; if a player is the greatest of recent, we expect him to be touted as such by the sports press, footballers both past and present, managers and neutral fans. Roy Keane is not widely considered to be the greatest of this generation. In fact, I doubt very many Man Utd fans would claim that he was greater than Zidane. Yes, we all remember his performance against Juventus, but Zidane is widely considered to be the better player. Don't believe me? Look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinedine_Zidane#Awards.2C_honours.2C_and_appointments . Zidane is a World Cup and European Championship winner, and has a plethora of individual awards. Most significantly of all, Zidane was voted World Player of the Year three times. Kronix1986 12:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GREATEST PLAYER EVER 

message: If its just "an incident" - why does it take up more of the article than his entire Man Utd career which lasted something like 13 years? To anyone who knows nothing about him, it seems to focus too heavily on this section.
Also his managerial career, all of 9 months or so is already taking up a large chunk of the article. I believe this article should be overhauled to truly reflect his career in the right context - if someone took the standpoint of "how would it look as an obituary" when constructing a re-write you might get the right balance Seedybob2 20:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agreed. I deleted a chuck of commentary which really had little relevance to the article. Further tidy-up required (will try to contribute to this over coming day or two). Downunda 01:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice one Downunda - perhaps I should have suggested that if if was significant to create a Saipan incident article in its own right? Seedybob2 06:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so, it is really cloging up this article and is probably worthy of its own page  Downunda 01:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saipan incident 

message: Does somebody have a source for this claim?  Was he born at home?  As far as I know there's no hospital in Mayfield... 87.210.35.24 (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in Mayfield 

message: Why is the image gone?--86.45.136.204 (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed that alright. I took the photo of him so if there is a problem with it I could reupload to commons.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is back. The offending edit. ~ Eóin (talk) 02:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Just noticing with this article, that the picture used is of Roy Keane during his Manchester United playing days. I think that this picture is perhaps inappropriate, and a picture should be used that identifies Roy Keane as the Manager of Sunderland. Roy has even said himself, that he no longer wishes to be seen as the ex-Man United captain and does no like to be asked to sign autographs on Man United memorabilia, as he feels that is disrespectful to his current employers, who are in competition with Manchester United in the Premier League. 
Please let me know if you agree that a change of photograph would be acceptable on these grounds.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Letalent (talk • contribs) 14:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a better photo, please upload it to Wikimedia Commons and add it to the article. – PeeJay 15:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Again, if you have one that fits that description, then please upload it. Until then, the current one is the best we have. – PeeJay 16:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roy Keane's Picture not exactly up to date 

message: The entire section seems a bit POV and just littered with random junk. Aaron carass (talk) 17:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managerial career 

message: I think a small section should be added on Roy's involvement with certain charities such as the Irish guide dog association and the Special Olympics  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.196.225 (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity Work 

message: Just wondering whats the story with not saying the proper name of Ireland in d infobox? At the  Irish manual of style it says:
 A compromise has been proposed at WP:IWNB that the form "is a town on the coast of County Cork, Ireland" should be used. This is already widely used and will allow it to appear as Ireland whilst linking to Republic of, as per Follow local conventions.
So why is the Roy Keane article breaking Wikipedia policy? I don't think it should be.
:Two days on it looks like there's no objections, there was edit-warring on this I can see so I will wait a little longer to make sure no one is against this edit.Paddypc (talk) 12:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by less clear? Currently it is very unclear as there is no country in the world whose name is the Republic of Ireland. Ireland is the accepted official name of the country and it is wikipedia policy to show the correct name while linking to the correct article. Here are links to other Irish sportsmen which abide by Wikipedia policy just so you understand the situation. Brian O'Driscoll and Padraig Harrington. The current situation is incorrect and needs to be accurate.Paddypc (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

text: There is currently a huge argument going on there about the name of the article title. But that has nothing to do with here. You haven't provided why you insist on defying Wikipedia policy shown above and also defying the official name of a country. An article title is not an excuse to show incorrect facts!What is your reason?Paddypc (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Having seen the WP:IMOS guidelines, I'd say your stance is probably the correct one. However, the way this matter has been conducted is all wrong. The guidelines should have been cited as the reason for the change to begin with, and then this whole stupid mess could have been avoided. Make your changes. – PeeJay 19:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The change can't be made on this page as the page is locked to non long term users, you'll have to make the change.Paddypc (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth 

message: In his 2003 autobiography, Keane, Keane admits that although he has a Champions League medal, he does not believe he deserves it. That seems to indicate that if you asked Keane what honours he won while with Manchester United, he would not list the 1999 Champions League among them. Should we not, therefore, omit the 1999 Champions League from his list of honours? – PeeJay 21:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not down to the player's opinion. Similarly, if a former player sells his medals, the honours still apply. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If Keane doesn't deserve it then what about Jonathan Greening?! :-) But I agree the player's opinion isn't relevant for honours. Can be mentioned in the article text though I guess. --Jameboy (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

text: (ec) (to ArtVandelay13) That's a slightly different situation though. You don't have to have a medal to have won a competition, just like you don't have to have won a competition to have a medal. Keane says in the book, "No matter how many people tell me I deserve that Champions League medal, I know I don't. In fact, you could argue that my indiscipline came very close to costing us the treble." – PeeJay 21:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's slightly different, but I think it's similar enough to make the comparison. Regardless, the point stands, and while Keane's hairshirtedness may be worthy of a footnote, the record should still stand. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1999 Champions League 

message: There's a revelatory interview in one of the Irish national newspapers here. Should be useful in expanding the article. Skomorokh 05:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Times'' Interview 

message: The text says:
"Håland briefly considered taking legal action against Keane, but after both legal and medical advice he later decided otherwise. The Norwegian retired from football shortly afterwards, stating on his website that it was a recurring problem in his other leg that was causing him pain, rather than an injury resulting from Keane's tackle.[19]"
...but reference #19 does not point to Alf-Inge Haaland's website, despite the implication in the text, and the article that it does point to does not back up the claims being made about Haaland taking legal advice and that the problem was with his other leg (quite the opposite, in fact - it says "So, Keane has ended a fellow player's career")...
As such I've deleted the parts of the text that can't be verified.
192.93.164.23 (talk) 14:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just re-deleted that same part for the same reasons. Why did it get back on here?67.193.201.42 (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alf-Inge Haaland incident reference 

message: The references need to use the cite web template. Also a few of the paragraphs need references such as the first one in his early career section. Spiderone 12:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nom 

message: While I was editing the biography under the Keane's photograph (he played for Gay United, Villarreal, Valencia, Argentina...) I made a mistake, so I had to edit again, but someone else hade edited again Gay United, Argentina and all this!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.8.215.90 (talk) 10:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a Troll here 

message: Following his rise to fame Triggs was mentioned by several sources on many occasions, with Keane dogged by numerous canine references for the remainder of his career.
Have to commend the editor who typed up this sentence. Pure brilliance haha Morhange (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brilliant 

message: Am I the only one who thinks the Dog section is completely out of proportion? It looks messy flooded with all those citations and it's longer than some of the more relevant paragraphs in this article. I mean, there are three lines explaining a joke that Russell Brand once made about Roy Keane's dog(s) - I really don't think that's necessary... Mato (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kinda funny though 130.88.99.221 (talk) 01:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog 

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message: Please add a full stop to the opening line Dowtchaboy12 (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add a full stop to the opening line. 

message: A sentence which is written within Keane's later career section has a grammatical error. In the first paragraph beginning with sentence 3 the start is as follows, "They have eventually knocked out on away goals after a 3–3 aggregate draw with Bayer Leverkusen, despite Keane putting United 3–2 up." I believe the sentence should start "They were eventually knocked out..." ThatEngineer98 (talk) 11:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Volteer1 (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 

message: hes 50 92.40.169.144 (talk) 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2021 

message: In club career by source 55 it reads “Vieira, however, later suggested that having walked out on his national team in the FIFA World Cup finals, Keane was not in a good position to comment on such matters.” the issue is in the use of the world ‘finals’ which is incorrect and the already quoted source says this. 86.14.39.120 (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it wrong? Are you confusing the finals for the final? – PeeJay 00:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple error suggesting the RoI were in a World Cup finals with Roy 

message: change ((Laugardalsvollur)) to ((Laugardalsvöllur)) 98.239.227.65 (talk) 15:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laugardalsvollur 

message: This page says his transfer to man UTD broke the British transfer record and links to that wiki page, but the wiki page on the British transfer record does not mention Roy Keane and the numbers on that page suggest it wasn't a record at the time Mga.allen (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  British transfer record linked wiki page doesn't support statement 

message: It has been denied by Keane, and his denial has been confirmed by other players present, that he ever mentioned Rio Ferdinand's wages. This section needs heavy editing as it does not in away present the truth of what happens. It merely presents media speculation as fact and needs to be altered significantly to give the true story of what happened - which has been confirmed by the majority of people presents at the players meeting where they watched the video. 185.150.170.2 (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Departure from United 

message: Ted lasso Wikipedia entry notes that he is the model for the Roy Kent character in Ted lasso. Seems worth mentioning 71.58.94.212 (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted lasso Roy kent 

message: Change mention of 13 red cards to 12. No evidence of 13 red cards during career. Evidence of 11 red cards for Manchester United, 1 for Republic of Ireland. 2A00:23C7:5C11:BA01:E089:9351:5659:1368 (talk) 16:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 18:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roy-keane/leistungsdaten/spieler/3396 86.173.27.79 (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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replies: text: There is no source at all for the current misinformation. 5.61.122.211 (talk) 08:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2023