Talk:Michigan Civil Rights Initiative

message: Why Sharpton or Jackson's opinions are any more important than, say, mine, is beyond me. They've nothing to do with Michigan. Also, nice move giving Jackson and Jackson's own Rainbow/PUSH Coalition different bullet points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.172.161 (talk) 04:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition 

message: an anon added an NPOV tag. I've rolled it back as I see no assertion of NPOV or support for that tagging on this talk page. If there is a need for the tag please outline some of the issues you see with the article here on this talk. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 19:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: What was the Proposal 2 of 2004, the one to recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman only? Michiganotaku 22:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct Michigan State Proposal – 04-2 (2004)--Redandready (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Is there really a reason to have Jenny Gratz's picture up here? I recognize she was one of the driving forces behind the MCRI, but the article is the MCRI. I don't think it merits a picture. It doesn't help the reader.--Lindsay (talk) 03:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gratz was not just "one of the driving forces behind the MCRI" she was the MCRI's executive director. Furthermore the lawsuit that brought the case to a head for Michigan has one brought by her against the University of Michigan. The case was heard by the US Supreme Court. So if a picture of anyone is to appear in the article, it would be hers.
As for notability: her and Ward Connerly, were the public face of MCRI in interviews and TV commercials.
Your statement that it “doesn't help the reader” is an opinion I suppose one can make abo--Redandready (talk) 01:24, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: This fits your own criteria: "Or if the image of a person is associated with a movement..."--Redandready (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, agree to disagree. But you really contort what I said when my example was NAZI Germany vis-a-vis a state ballot initiative. Come on.--Lindsay (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I only quoted what I thought was the relevant part of your comment, specifically to avoid any comparison between this topic and Nazi Germany. The pertinent portion of your comment was the association of a person with a movement, not the degree to which a movement may be good, evil, or atrocious.--Redandready (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: A nice idea. I added the picture.--Redandready (talk) 00:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The lawsuit that ultimately lead to the Michigan Civil rights initiative included Ms. Gratz, so a picture of her is appropriate for the article. Furthermore, she was the director of the organization sponsoring the initiative. Ward Connerly was an architect of MCRI like in California, and also played a key roll. Remarks like, “unless having a blonde European-American for and an African-American against (or the other way around IDK) helps in some neutral fashion...” have no place in an encyclopedic discussion and are offensive.--Redandready (talk) 01:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Gratz picture

message: The statement that Proposal 2 was "overruled" by Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action v. Regents of the University of Michigan, 701 F.3d 466 (6th Cir. 2012), is both linguistically (courts don't "overrule" a plebiscite) and factually inaccurate. The en banc opinion was careful to limit its holding to only the public education portion of Proposal 2. The public contracting and employment portions remain good law (note Proposal 2's severability clause). I think the opinion can also be read so that the public education portion of Proposal 2 is still constitutional as applied to gender discrimination in university admissions, but that's arguable. De novo nova (talk) 05:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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