Talk:David Quinn (actor)/Archive 2

message: I guess there's probably a suggestive dispute about how many categories there should be. I like having the Teacher bio in the article, but someone who knows the man best should add more content to it. --TreyGreenawalt 02:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 or 3 Categories? 

message: What is the objection to the references section as of the last version before revert.
As far as I could see, all of the links were reputable sources and contained neutral information.
TheRingess 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference section 

message: Can we talk about the objections to the inclusion of stubs in this article.
Do we feel that the article is long enough that stubs aren't warranted, or are the stubs the wrong categories?
TheRingess 05:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubs 

message: Can we provide a date and category for the Emmy?
TheRingess 05:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emmy 

message: Does anyone have a suggestion as to how we can provide a source for this material?
I surfed to the website of the camp, and could not find a mention there of the material?
What can we use as a reliable source for this material?
TheRingess 05:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theatre camp info 

message: How about the info about the degrees that he earned?
This seemed like useful info for a biographical article and had a credible verifiable source.
What was the objection to the inclusion of that information?
TheRingess 06:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info about Degrees 

message: Added the dates he hosted 3-2-1 Contact, since they are documented in the article about the show and I simply feel that they improve the article, a little.
TheRingess 09:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Basically, the word currently, whenever possible should be replaced by a specific date.
Many articles in Wikipedia might be around for years (though not this one) and the word currently will have the little or no meaning several years down the road.
TheRingess 09:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor style comment 

message: I went ahead and changed the external link here into an internal one.
This makes it easier for any interested reader, not familiar with the award, to find out more about it.
TheRingess 09:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peabody award 

message: I found the website and located the year of the award  and changed the article to include the date of the award.
I'm also including the awards official website.
Again, my apologies for deleting that sentence in previous versions.
TheRingess 00:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apologies for previously deleting the info about the Puget Sound award 

message: I went ahead and archived earlier material from this page.
It's always a good idea to treat everyone with respect, but it's especially a good idea to do so on discussion pages like this, since they don't get deleted.
TheRingess 16:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early material archived 

message: The problem seems to be a lack of sources for the material added. But it's not Quinn's fault for the lack of sources. George Bush is the president of the United States, and for that reason and others, there are myriads of websites on George Bush. And therefore, his article can be well-written from the plentiful sources. But there seems to be very little sources about Quinn. Thus, and of my opinion only, this article should've never started in the first place. And if it had started, it should have remained a stub, not an attempted article like the current one. It will remain incomplete unless we find other sources. But that's the other problem. Someone can just quickly create a website about Quinn and use that as a secondary source. The website may seem very reliable, but in fact, it was created in very little time. So that's absurd. All Quinn has to do is make a website about himself with all the stuff he wants on Wikipedia and it can be added to Wikipedia with a link to his page. But it's absurd because some other individual can do the same thing.
George Bush is the president, and so is known by almost everyone in the United States. And because of that, his article receives a lot of different views/opinions, but those differing ideas all converge into facts in the end. I'm not saying that Quinn isn't popular, but his audience seems to be signficantly smaller. Therefore, it's a problem. A lot of people means majority vote will work better.  Few people and majority voting does not work.  I'll get back to this, but I wish to have my arguments supported or refuted or found probable. --TreyGreenawalt 16:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Sources / Popularity Problem 

message: See the deletion page.  I'm tired of typing individual messages to you all. -DQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.17.29 (talk • contribs) 19:24, February 26, 2006
:Many thanks for the revert, Travis! 67.160.17.29 00:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I may express myself very strongly at times, I want to say for the record, that none of my edits were intended to violate Mr. Quinn's right to privacy and in no way were meant as an attack.  If anything I said came across as that, I publicly apologize.  Though there is a rant on my talk page, it is still not intended as any kind of attack. TheRingess 00:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Message for all interest parties

message: Now that it is unlocked, I made a few tiny changes, added a reference, and attempted to make the entry a little more chronological by removing the categories.  Thought I was logged in at the school library, but I wasn't.  Went back and signed the entry again. --MidnightTOKer 21:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: I just made a couple of edits to the article. I'd expect David Quinn himself to restore the info before I can say boogaloo so I should explain it here too.
Info is supposed to be verifiable as per the section #Lack of Sources / Popularity Problem above. It's also supposed to be relevant. So I removed the resumé-part and anything that would be uninteresting for the casual reader. I encourage other editors (provided they approve of my edits) to make sure to make sure the info is not re-added to the article.
Actually, a person has not much saying in what is written in his Wikipedia-bio. He should restrain himself to the discussion page, like Jimbo Wales does for most of the time.
Fred-Chess 22:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Outsiders view and edits 

message: I'd like to make an unnecessary but interesting comment. The original article was a stub. A "revolution" occured when a few people tried to change the article and wanted to categorized them. It resulted in an unecessary heated battle that went on for a long time. Finally, the article came back to stability, but was basically returned into a stub. What achievements? Very little. I don't recommend anyone trying to overthrow the article. The edits so far have been good. Just don't provoke another war. Okay, this is only my opinion... --ReRateofMice 06:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABsurdity 

message: I've gone ahead and removed the following statement
:Quinn was in BY STROUSE and MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG as well as the original OUR TIME CABARET in the summer of 1982 at Stagedoor Manor in Loch Sheldrake, New York, where he went for many summers.
For basically 2 reasons:
#It needs a reference and none was provided.  Perhaps the Stagedoor Manor has a page that supports this?  If it does an editor will need to include it in the references section.
#Basically it seems rather trivial for an encyclopedia article.  Was there something particularly notable about those productions that warrants inclusion in an Encyclopedia.  If this camp is notable enough, doesn't it deserve it's own article? The info could and should go there.
TheRingess 15:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of Theatre Camp Info 

message: Thanks for your willingness to contribute to this article.  I felt it necessary to revert the material though, since you did not provide easily verified sources.  Please keep in mind, that Wikipedia requires that any material added be easily verifiable by any average reader.  For example, having to buy and watch a DVD to verify a piece of information in an article, probably does not count as easily verifiable.  Also it's unreasonable to require a reader to travel to verify the information.  Somewhere on the internet there might be information about this man's achievements and work history.  Please search for that and use it as your source.  For reference, you might wish to read Wikipedia's guidelines about reliable sources and verifiability.
TheRingess 00:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharing correspondence from another editor over changes 

message: Your tone is really not appropriate.  You are acting as if you where the final authority on wikipedia entrys.  I completed an interview with the subject of this entry for a high school project.  I am not aware that you have interviewed the subject.  I have been to the subject's home, seen the awards and viewed the relevant material.  You are acting as though the internet is the only source for knowledge claims, and that is a fallacy.  Should I ask Mr Quinn to borrow his LiveAid dvd to make screen caps for you?  Do I need to take pictures of him holding up an award?  If I publish an interview with him on my home page, is that any more verifiable than me adding to his entry.  I thank you for your willingness to edit, but I'm returning the page to the version I wrote.  if you have a problem with it, take it to a higher level wiki editor.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.150.79 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 11 November 2006
:Please sign your posts with ~~~~ whenever you post on wikipedia discussion pages, thanks.  Sonic3KMaster(talk) 06:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, you might wish to read Wikipedia's guidelines to verifiability.  WP:CITE might help also.  Please keep in mind WP:CIVIL also. TheRingess 07:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My responce 

message: I think it is now time for us to request that some third parties weigh in on the current issue.TheRingess 05:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it's fine as it is, but if anyone wants to manually archive it they're welcome to do so.  Some articles have much  larger discussion pages, but they are also broader topics generally.  There's an archive bot that will automatically archive the older discussions eventually, but I'm not sure how that works... Sonic3KMaster(talk) 04:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there are several requests out to respond in the requests for comments section below.  It seems that the usual policy on discussions is to allow them to run for a week or so.  In about 3 or 4 days I'll archive this talk page. TheRingess 04:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitration 

message: The ongoing rev between myself and another editor is over the appropriate sourcing of the following line: "In addition to his commercials and television appearances, Quinn also performed in the original LIVE AID concert in Philadelphia, singing with Mick Jagger and Tina Turner in the show's finale."  
I claim that the DVD, the book, and the subsequent verification by Quinn himself (here) are all enough.  The other editor says that Quinn's name must be in the credits of the book or the concert to be verifiable.
Which standard is enough?  When is enough proof present for a sentence to stay in? 71.231.150.79 05:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your comment.  I realize that I may have sounded like I believed an offline source was not acceptable.  But I never meant to imply that.TheRingess 07:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comments 

message: Four letters: IMDB.  Hope you enjoyed the book.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.150.79 (talk • contribs) .
I checked Mr. Quinn's imdb entry about a week ago.  The Live AID fact was not in there.  I am checking with the imdb management to determine the source of the statement.  Mr. Quinn himself stated in the archive that his students like to add him to movies.  Until I hear from the imdb management I'm leaving the sentence out.
I decided I was a little harsh with my statements.  I think we can leave the statement in.
TheRingess 14:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New imdb entry 

message: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-20 David Quinn (actor) is the page for discussing the request for mediation. Please see that page for a description of the request, and comment on it if you are a concerned party. No Wikipedia policies are in question, only whether concerned parties are following Wikipedia policy. If after three days no one has commented on the request, the request will be closed due to lack of participation. Thank you.SFinside 14:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation announcement