Talk:The Kitchen Tapes (The Raincoats album)

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replies: text: No it isn't, and the fair use rational is valid and given in detail. I am getting seriously fed up with this bot. —  iridescent 00:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Raincoats Kitchen Tapes.jpg

message: This article was tagged in October 2008 for not meeting the music notability guidelines. On January 22, 2009 the tag was removed because "Raincoats are clearly a notable band, and this is one of their releases."  This not a valid argument for establishing the notability of this album as notability by association is never a good argument on it's own.
Unless the issues below are addresses this article may be sent to AFD
In order to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make claims in an edit summary or assert importance on a talk page - the article itself must document notability. This article is about an album release in 1983 and is told to be the bands "only live album". These comments makes no claims of notability and do not assert importance. 
The Albums, singles and songs guidelines state that all articles on albums must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This article contains no indication of such coverage.
Furthermore the Albums, singles and songs guidlines also state that a musical release created by a notable subject "may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia" and that articles such at this one, "with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article." It is important to the note the word "may", as used in the guideline, being used as a qualifier. If a musical release has "sufficient notability" on it's own and there also exists a stand alone article on the artist who created it, than that musical release may be allowed to have it's own article. As was pointed out, since at least October 2008, this article does not currently meet the guidelines of notability for stand alone articles.
The is no current policy or guideline that grants automatic stand alone article status to a musical release simply because the subject who created the release has their own stand alone article on the English Wikipedia. Likewise there are no current policies or guidelines that allows a musical release that was put out on a notable label (i.e - a business with its own stand alone article on the English Wikipedia) to automatically have it's own article. 
Thanks you. Soundvisions1 (talk) 12:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be ridiculous. This is one of only five albums ever released by a very significant band in the development of late-70s/80s post-punk/indie music and has been written on extensively by everyone from Griel Marcus to Kurt Cobain. Take it to AFD if you insist but there's only one way any discussion's going to go. – iridescent 16:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have copies of the "extensive" coverage on this specific release please add it to the article and expand it. See The Wall or Frampton Comes Alive! for some well fleshed out articles. If you have issues with the above cited guidelines for notability please also feel free to propose new criteria at the associated talk pages. Thank you. Soundvisions1 (talk) 17:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of {{tl|notability}} tag