Talk:Star Trek/Archive 9

message: Why is the following failing to render in bold?
*Movies based on Star Trek: The Original Series :
Acegikmo1 04:18, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it sees a group of 3, then a group of 2, and a group of five, and gets confused.  Put a space in the middle of the last group as I've done, to make it look like  ' instead of . --Golbez 05:32, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad rendering 

message: Just wondering...  should we have a Star Trek stub page? Allyunion 14:14, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a list of Star Trek stubs, or what? --Golbez 14:26, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ya, that's what I'm specifically referring to, with maybe a template to go with it.  Something like trek-stub: This article is a Star Trek stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. Allyunion 13:18, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Star Trek have it's own Stub page? 

message: This article is far too long. It contains more information about TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY than their individual pages do. I think a lot of information needs to be moved out of this article and into the pages about each specific series, but I'm not sure how to determine what should still remain here. Any ideas? - Brian Kendig 18:03, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this up. I was pondering this - I think it doesn't make sense for a section heading to be a link to another article. Especially since I put "For more information, see Star Trek: The Next Generation" in the section to make sure people know there's another article, and that links to the same place. I feel that the section headings shouldn't be links, and I was also considering removing the years from the section headings, because that's also redundant and IMHO the heading should just be a simple statement of what's in the section. What do you think? - Brian Kendig 18:00, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Manual of Style agrees with you. "Avoid links within headings. Depending on settings, some users may not see them clearly. It is much better to put the appropriate link in the first sentence under the header." Common usage is " Main article: Main article " - David Gerard 18:18, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: I think even though they have their own sections, they should have a paragraph or two summary of the series, and I've seen the header's linked in other articles, so I see no reason it can't happen  here. I also think the other articles should link back to the main one. Spinboy 18:19, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving to series articles 

message: The article Spot (Star Trek) is currently up for VfD.  Please see the VfD Discussion page to either help keep or delete the page. --AllyUnion (Talk) 06:03, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spot (Star Trek) 

message: It's entirely possible that they have inserted the "kiss shown" version in newer broadcasts of the show. But the original broadcast had it blocked, according to the IMDB and other sources I've read. But I WAS wrong; I said it was Kirk's head, it was actually Uhura's. Relevant passages from the IMDB:
:The first interracial kiss on American network television was in the episode "Plato's Stepchildren," which aired on 22 Nov 1968, when Captain Kirk ( William Shatner) kissed Lieutenant Uhura ( Nichelle Nichols). The studio expressed some concern, and it was suggested instead that Spock should kiss Uhura 'to make it less of a problem for the southern [US] audience'. Some stations in the South originally refused to air the episode. Kirk did not kiss Uhura *voluntarily*; they were forced to do it by aliens controlling their bodies. So the first interracial kiss, although between two of the good guys, was the moral equivalent of sexual assault.
:Despite the controversy of the first interracial kiss of Kirk and Uhura on television in the episode "Plato's Stepchildren," they never actually kissed on-screen - Kirk turns away from the camera as they draw closer keeping Uhura in front of him, obscuring the fact that their lips stay an inch or so apart.
They could be wrong. --Golbez 14:36, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
:Make no mistake about it, in many, many interviews and books, Mr. Shatner has admitted that he had, up to that point, wanted to kiss Ms. Nichols on screen. --AllyUnion 13:26, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kiss 

message: Just started the above page.  Please leave your comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Trek.--StAkAr Karnak 03:00, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek]]

message: What happened here? All that's left is one line saying "You can't have Star Trek without the science." That's pretty useless on its own -- has something been cut that shouldn't have been? 23skidoo 17:04, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Added by User:Roberto1221 on 23 Nov 2004.  Seems to me a new user who added that portion of the article, left unnoticed until now. --AllyUnion (talk) 07:13, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Trek Science subsection 

message: Hi - I'm agreeing with the post directly above. The sentence below is just nonsense and I'll remove it after checking back in a bit. I would like to to note that in terms either of technology or science, star trek is rather silly. I really do defy anyone to dispute that. Perhaps that is what the person who wrote that sentence was trying to say? In which case, I would disagree. We all like star trek because it portrays a vision of the future in which everyone tris to be the best person that they can; with cool spaceships to help them! Thats why they call it a fantasy!
Star Trek Science
Any decent Star Trek fan should know that even with technology you wouldn't get Star Trek without the science.
:Ah... Usenet Star Trek debates come to Wikipedia.... ;-) func(talk) 19:09, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: sense?

message: Do we have permission to use the images that are in this article? They all seem to be a giant copyvio to me. Spinboy 18:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I removed this section from the article:
:In every episode of Star Trek some sort of technology from the shows period is used. The Technology is a important part of Star Trek, without it Star Trek would not be as popular as it is today. The most prominant piece of technolgy is probably the Warp Drive, the Starships of Star Trek use the Warp Drive to get around the Galaxy.
The above is not written in an encyclopedic manner. It suggests a POV, and doesn't really say anything coeherent. I believe there is a place for a technology section, (even a whole separate article), but the above is not a good way to go about it. This is a wikipedia featured article, and I think we need to strive for a certain level of encyclopedic quality and NPOV. func(talk) 19:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek Technology 

message: Currently there are a lot of missing images on the Star Trek page, which is a bad thing, esspecially for a featured article. I think this needs to be fixed but I don't know which image were used, does anyone still have them in their cause or does the original author still has them on his computer? Switcher 01:03, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to track it down... -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:12, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:Spinboy deleted them.  Restoring the images. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:17, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The images were deleted to copyright problems. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:31, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Strangely enough, I don't know how the images were deleted but it was not in the deletion log prior before I deleted them... actually, I think I am going to restore them so that someone can refute the copyright problem issue. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:46, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: I was the one who listed the images as copyvio. I only did those, because those were the only ones I had linkbacks for, and I presumed that to list it, you needed the origional URL. If that is not the case, I would have listed the others as well. Spinboy 20:47, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If these photos in the Star Trek article are not allowed, then how come the photos in Babylon 5, Galactic Empire (Star Wars), Firefly (television series), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and other articles are? What's the difference? - Brian Kendig 21:20, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good question for the copyvio ppl. Spinboy 21:29, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha - I'm asking right now on Wikipedia talk:Fair use. Question: what do you mean by having a "linkback"? Do you mean that the images you removed were ones you verified as having been copied from the startrek.com official web site, or something? - Brian Kendig 21:41, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing images 

message: This talk page appears to have somehow gotten its sections duplicated: section edits aren't getting put where you'd expect, among other things.  I don't consider myself competent enough (or awake enough :-) to fix it without losing data... but I think someone probably ought to.  --Baylink 03:45, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Page Problem

message: I totally disagree with saying that some fans consider Star Trek: Voyager the weakest of the Star Trek seies. I am a scientist, and I feel that Voyager has the best science writing in all the Star Treks.
: Please sign your comments with four "~" symbols. I noticed that someone changed the word from "weakest" to "strongest" in the article, maybe to prove a point. I added a counter statement in order to balance out NPOV. 23skidoo 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Voyager - weakest series?

message: While I have never seen hints towards homosexuality in Star Trek canon, I have seen it in books. Two examples:
* Bart Faulwell, the linguistic in the S.C.E. series, writes love letters to Anthony Mark, who also seems to be male.
* In the novel The best and the brightest, Jayme Miranda is in love with another woman, a Trill named Moll Enor. The Trill symbiont thing mentioned above can't explain this, as Moll is the first host of the Enor symbiont.
193.167.132.66 07:35, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also considerable amounts of slash fiction out there based on Trek, and early printings of the officially licenced novel "Killing Time" contained some mild slash elements between Kirk and Spock and that were removed by the publisher for subsequent editions. 23skidoo 07:55, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Both examples I wrote above, while not canon, are officially licensed. And I think they make it pretty clear that the characters in question are in love with people of the same sex. I guess the book authors have taken a bolder attitude with time. 193.167.132.66 10:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Trek books

message: Would the anonymous user who keeps removing Wikilinks for Manny Coto and other topics please stop doing so? There aren't any articles on these subjects yet, but we are still supposed to make links to that when someone does write an article, they will already be linked. Please refer to Wikipedia policy. Thanks. 23skidoo 20:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put a slight warning on the talk page.  If he continues, use  and list him on WP:VIP -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:00, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks, AllyUnion.  Nice to know we have an angel; ghod knows we probably need one.  To clarify for the anon in question: it is not at all uncommon for an article writer editor to make a wikilink to an article which they are not sure currently exists.  If it does, then great.  If not, then it becomes a "Wanted Article", and someone else will likely eventually click through and write.  So, following the Be Bold theory, you're effectively asking that someone who knows more about that subject than you write the article, or at least it's beginning.  --Baylink 03:50, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Captain AllyUnion, administrator of Wikipedia, at your service. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:57, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ack, didn't see this before I took out the ship names... I'm still figuring this place out. Please don't punish me :O( I see your point about the producer's name, but the ships names aren't even linked from the Virgin Atlantic article. Regardless, I won't take them out again if you think they should be there. I'm very sorry to have caused any trouble. 4.154.66.123 18:59, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion wasn't directed at your edits, so no worries! 23skidoo 19:29, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing wikilinks

message: Hmm... I don't see this around... -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:35, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too sure what you're asking here ... ;-) 23skidoo 17:38, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is there an article that lists all the Star Trek Incosnsitancies that the Star Trek writers have introduced?  Such as Voyager's shuttle problem, etc. -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:41, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek Inconsistancies 

message: I'm fairly new to wiki editing, so I don't want to step on any toes with any of the "usual" editors for this page...  A few thoughts on the article layout that I'd like to run by anyone who's listening:
Even though the 32k limit is obviously not a hard-and-fast rule, the article size is becoming a bit awkward for dial-up connections like my own, and doubly so when editing.  Of course, you don't want to remove anything arbitrarily for size reasons alone, so I have a few suggestions that I think make sense:
*I'm wondering if the section on "Society and Star Trek" should receive its own article.  There's quite a bit of room for discussion on this, and giving this a separate article might make authors feel less constrained about minimizing their comments.
*I also wonder if Role-Playing Worlds would be better suited to a new article.  Maybe "Star Trek Role-Playing Worlds"?
*Although this wouldn't really shrink the article at all, if you don't like the above two suggestions, I wonder if "Role-Playing Worlds" should be at least promoted to its own sub-section.  It seems dubious to me if it really falls under "Society and Star Trek" in any but the broadest sense, and it certainly has enough material to support a full section.
Again, not trying to push anyone's buttons, just trying to make a few helpful suggestions.  ;-)
Roger McCoy 09:24, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Doesn't everyone have cable modems in 2005? I'm surprised! In any event, your ideas are excellent. One of the "rules" here is "Be Bold". If you have an idea that you think is worth trying, go for it. There is no particular "owner" to any article although there are some Wiki users who might become, for lack of a better word, regular custodians of an article. I agree that Society and Star Trek could use its own article, as could Star Trek role playing. The only thing to be careful of is don't simply cut-and-paste and leave it at that. When creating a spinoff article you need to make it truly stands alone and is also well linked to the main article, lest someone thinks the article is not worthy of Wikipedia and flags it for Votes for Deletion. Have fun! 23skidoo 16:00, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and moved out the entire society and star trek section (includes the role-playing bit) to Society and Star Trek since I'm not on dialup :)  The new article could use some tweaking (like a better introduction) and Star Trek needs a summary. Cburnett 17:59, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  A summary of the new article, like a paragraph should be placed back into the main article. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:13, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condensing/reorganizing article 

message: How long is this page expected to be semi-protected? Surely not indefinitely, that seems like overkill. Isn't the typical length six months or something?
There should be a specific sub-section under Cultural impacts for Technology that was inspired by Trek. They are scattered among the Trek articles in wikipedia, but it's an important part of Trek's legacy. Things like the cell phone, tricorders, iPads, etc. 
Surely this is at least an important a category as magazines, which does have its own subsection? 75.17.118.247 (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural impact : Technology section 

message: Erm, Star Trek: Axanar redirects here, but is not mentioned in the article. 78.35.193.39 (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It mentions about it in Star Trek fan productions as well as the planned fan film. JJ98 (Talk) 07:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axanar 

message: I notice a grammatically ill-formed sentence, i.e. "Moreover, the show is noted for its progressive for its era civil rights stances", which perhaps should be "Moreover, the show is noted for its progressive civil rights stances."
Sam Joseph (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch; change made. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:48, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2015 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Star Trek: The Original Series which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 07:29, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There is a Finnish parody series called Star Wreck. It has become somewhat notorious in Finland--92.114.148.141 (talk) 07:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Have any third-party sources taken note of it? DonIago (talk) 19:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add to parody section 

message: Reading the articles of Religion in Star Wars and Religion in The X-Files, gave me the idea for Religion in Star Trek. It could also be called Philosophy and Religion in Star Trek as the case with the SW article. Is anyone here up for starting it? I could contribute.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been super busy. I like the idea.  There are some good memory alpha pages on the topic.  Philosophy and Religion. This particular page also might be helpful. Oldag07 (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Nadirali نادرالی. It might be better you add to the memory alpha article.  I am not a huge fan of the religion in Star Wars or X-files page. Oldag07 (talk) 03:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion in Star Trek article suggestion 

message: The link for the official website needs to be fixed. Here is the URL: http://www.startrek.com/
Naf140230 (talk) 17:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   Corrected the web link. Thanks - Ninney (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  URL 

message: I created the Philosophy and religion in Star Trek article. Please help in improving it. There's plenty of sources for this. I even added a friendly search template in the talk page to help dig out sources.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy and religion in Star Trek article  

message: I wanted to include a short comment about Kes (from Star Trek: Voyager) in the ‘Conception and setting’ section as I believe this character is of special note even though she was not a major character in the Star Trek universe. SonOfThornhill undid my first edit (7 March) in this regard on the grounds that it over emphasized a secondary character, but a secondary character can represent a key theme better than some primary characters, while it is entirely appropriate to mention such a character when touching on this theme.
The theme being the humane values that underpin Star Trek. The second paragraph in the ‘Conception and setting’ section touches on this theme by noting that Starfleet is a “humanitarian and peacekeeping armada”, with the protagonists having “altruistic values”. I thought it appropriate to add a comment after this which states that Kes best embodies these values, by virtue of her short lifespan (nine years) and humanity, in keeping with her role as a medical assistant and her compassion for the other characters, notably The Doctor who was treated like a piece of furniture by other crew members until her intervention.
Minor or secondary characters can have a substantial role or impact, as when they act as narrators for events that occurred previously, such as Banquo’s ghost in Macbeth, or support the central theme as did the Boo Radley character in To Kill a Mockingbird. Boo had a substantial impact despite rarely appearing and minimal mention. His imposing appearance (tall with a jagged scar on his face, bad teeth, popping eyes and tendency to drool) seemed to confirm the negative stereotype of the ‘dangerous black man’, but once the conclusion is reached you know he is important to the story’s theme, and that without him the children would have been without his protection and an important lesson. That lesson is that most people similar to Boo are (like Boo himself) nice, once you get to know them. This supported the central theme of overcoming racial prejudice after a black man (Tom Robison) is accused of raping a white girl and this accusation is readily accepted by most whites due to negative stereotypes about black men, until his white lawyer (Atticus Finch) reveals the truth about the crime and the bigotry of people who jump to conclusions about black men accused of crimes.
Kes was not merely a memorable minor character like Serge, the desk attendant at the art gallery in Beverly Hills Cop, who had an effeminate manner and strange foreign accent (based on an the accent of an Israeli that the actor who played this role had once met). Serge was funny and amused us for a moment but was not important to the story and did not represent any underlying themes other than the desire to entertain the audience. In stark contrast, Kes was a regular member of Voyager’s crew from 1995 until the second episode of the fourth season, albeit in support of the primary characters. Kes was important to Star Trek as were all the other medical personnel in this franchise (beginning with Bones in TOS) by highlighting the importance of caring for the wellbeing of others; but Kes stands out due to her short lifespan (all the more so in contrast to The Doctor she worked with who was effectively immortal as he was a holographic projection of a computer program) and being the most caring cast member in any Star Trek series (as is apparent to anyone who saw all of them) which gave her an angelic quality that no other cast member possessed, which was accentuated by her deep voice that has an otherworldly feel about it which has to heard to be appreciated.
Thus Kes is more akin to Boo than the entertaining but disposable Serge, as her character (better than any other) represents the humane theme that underpins Star Trek. That said, my first edit was lazy as it merely repeated some information from the Kes page and failed to mention that she was a medical assistant; thus I modified my edit to the following: “The medical assistant Kes in Voyager best embodies the humane theme that underpins Star Trek due to her compassionate nature and short lifespan which reminds us of the fragility of life and the importance of loving relationships.” People who want to find out more about this character can visit the Kes page which describes her role in Voyager in detail, though one has to watch Voyager to fully appreciate my point. My edit may come across a tad ‘touchy feely’ to some (if less so than my original edit), but that is the nature of this theme, while we should not avoid any mention of this theme because doing so makes us a little uncomfortable as it needs to be noted. I hope this is acceptable to other editors and welcome any feedback. - Ocampa1 (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting opinion. But it is just opinion without any credible source to back it up. SonOfThornhill (talk) 15:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed we need reliable sources to add material.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

text: You need to stop adding opinion pieces to the articles. They don't really belong in an encyclopedia. Plus there is too much emphasis on the Voyager series which is a minor part of the overall franchise and the Kes character, a secondary character that was only on the show for three seasons. SonOfThornhill (talk) 13:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated. I'll try to reign in my fanboy obsessions. - Ocampa1 (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion is to work the other way around: find your sources first, then add what they say to the article, and follow your sentences right after using references. That way your content will (usually) stick in Wikipedia. One way to find sources is to type the term you're looking for (eg Kes) into your browser's search bar, then add into the bar a search string of reliable sources (you can find some here on my user page or you can make your own strings).--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your assistance. Excellent advice. - Ocampa1 (talk) 02:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kes 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Star Trek. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20061025235300/http://www.idwpublishing.com/titles/startrek.shtml to http://www.idwpublishing.com/titles/startrek.shtml/
  Stick to sources! Paine  20:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Just so people are aware, there's a draft for an outline of Star Trek at Draft:Outline of Star Trek. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:00, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. Oldag07 (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft outline 

message: A discussion about renaming the "reboot series" the "Kelvin timeline series" has been made at here. Please add your input. Oldag07 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussing the renaming of the Reboot series to the "Kelvin timeline series" 

message: There is a minor typo in the line: Episodes will also be availablle on Netflix within 24 hours of their U.S. premieres.
The word "available" is misspelled.
That is all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeithTParker (talk • contribs) .
::I fixed it. Thank you. Calidum ¤ 16:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor typo! 

message: Many Star Trek characters have full names that have only been revealed in the novels and comic books.
Spock's full name is S'chn T'gai Spock.
Sarek's full name is S'chn T'gai Sarek.
McCoy's full name is Leonard Horatio McCoy (also called Leonard Edward McCoy).
Sulu's full name is Hikaru Kato Sulu (also called Itaka Sulu).
M'Ress's full name is Shiboline M'Ress.
Riker's full name is William Thomas Thelonius Riker.
Janeway's full name is Kathryn M. Janeway.
Should these be added to the relevant articles?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.166.224 (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It wouldn't be a bad idea to add them but only in a Notes section since they come from a comic or novel. Citing the comic or novel that they came from of course. SonOfThornhill (talk) 14:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehhh, depends whether the article discusses non-canon. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full names of Star Trek characters 

message: Maybe add that the original star trek tv show was shown two days ahead of the NBC date on CTV in canada?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.122.197.250 (talk) 02:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  premiere date of the original star trek 

message: Two adjustments made due to the push back of Star Trek: Discovery's premier from January 2017 to May 2017.
Located in the second large paragraph.
Change "A new Star Trek TV series, titled Star Trek: Discovery, will premiere in January 2017 on the digital platform CBS All Access." to 
"A new Star Trek TV series, titled Star Trek: Discovery, will premiere in May 2017 on the digital platform CBS All Access."
Adjustment to the timeline graph.
Change the Discovery grey marker bar to be more in the middle of the 2017 column than the beginning as the show is now premiering in May instead of January.
Located at the end of the '2009 Reboot' paragraph.
Change "Star Trek will return to subscription-television in January 2017." to
"Star Trek will return to subscription-television in May 2017."
Located in the "Discovery beginning 2017" paragraph.
Change "On November 2, 2015, it was announced that a new Star Trek TV series is in development by Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman. The new series will premiere on CBS All Access in January 2017." Friday, to
"On November 2, 2015, it was announced that a new Star Trek TV series is in development by Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman. The new series will premiere on CBS All Access in May 2017."
Cited source for changes:
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-good-wife-spinoff-cbs-all-access-premiere-date-1201860613/
Drscifi (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek Discovery premier moved from January 2017 to May 2017. 

message: "SAG Award for Best Portrayal of an American Scene Feb 24, 1996
"The various 'Star Trek' TV series and movies also were recognized for 'outstanding portrayal of the American scene,' although they are set in space with an intergalactic cast of characters. Presenter Jimmy Smits noted that the mix of race and gender in all the casts embodied the American ideal. Actress Magel Barrett, widow of 'Star Trek' creator Gene Roddenberry, said she believes 'Star Trek' can last forever. 'It is our 20th century mythology,' she said."http://www.upi.com/Archives/1996/02/25/SAG-Awards-to-Apollo-13-ER/8990825224400/ 
"The Screen Actors Guild will honor "Star Trek" for 30 years of diversity in casting with the special Outstanding Portrayal of the American Scene Award. Rick Berman, "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry's hand-picked successor, will accept the award during the second annual Screen Actors Guild Awards, being held Feb. 24 at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium for broadcast that same night on NBC"
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-25/entertainment/ca-28311_1_toy-story
Getty Images Photo Link http://www.gettyimages.com/license/529500246
Getty Images Video Link (Nichelle Nichols, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, Eugene "Rod" Roddenberry)http://www.gettyimages.com/license/75709905 
LinQ TinQ (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and honors 

message: The sentence in the last paragraph of introduction sounds a bit too mysterious: “The franchise is also noted for its progressive civil rights stances”.[2] What “civil rights stances”? It should be at least briefly specified or properly referenced. If you check the reference #2 – you will not find it there. 
What I have learned is that Star Trek characters are living in communist-like society: no money, no state, etc. I think that this fact is interesting, educative and important. I propose to include the following sentence: “It has been suggested that Star Trek society resembles communism”, with the following references: a) article by T. Warstall “Star Trek Economics Is Just True Communism Arriving”, Forbes, 2015, October 5; b) book by G. Ermak “Communism: The Great Misunderstanding”, 2016. 
What do you think?
Prosto aneg (talk) 16:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is no room in an Encyclopedia for "it has been suggested". It's one person with an opinion.  - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "this is opinion of many people", that's the problem it is opinion. Encyclopedia's deal in facts not opinions. And certainly not in the lead. It belongs more in the 'Cultural Impact' section. SonOfThornhill (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on the last part. This isn't lead material. DonIago (talk) 13:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

text: There really wasn't a consensus yet. Plus the sentence inserted was inaccurate and placed with too much prominence in the section. It has been moved to a later paragraph and re-worded for accuracy. SonOfThornhill (talk) 23:26, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  new sentence 

message: Add note that Fan Film series or features have been seriously restricted as of June 2016. 
Cite source: 
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/paramount-cbs-establish-star-trek-fan-film-guidelines-20160624 Gavuain (talk) 19:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2016 

message: It now begins with "Print publications". That seems odd. Star Trek began on TV so the TV series should go first, then the films and then Print. This order would give proper weight to each element of the franchise. SonOfThornhill (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox displays the tv series immediately beneath the image.  The element "Print publications" has been in its current location within the infobox since 08:23, 30 August 2013. I could be wrong, but the order of elements within the infobox are controlled by the template coding.  Mitchumch (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It still seems odd that 'Print Publications' comes before 'Films and television', that's not even alphabetical order. If it is possible, would you have any objection to it being re-ordered to put 'Films and television' first? SonOfThornhill (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't care.  Mitchumch (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there doesn't seem to be an objection to reordering, I would propose the following order: Television first, then the Films, Print, Games, Misc. and then the Official Website. Is everyone OK with that? SonOfThornhill (talk) 14:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  To reorder the infobox you will need to alter the coding for Template:Infobox media franchise.  That template is used on 192 articles.  You may want to post your intentions on the talk page for that template. Mitchumch (talk) 04:25, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. But the template is just a guide for editors to cut and paste. It doesn't need to be changed. And as it says on the template page, "All parameters are optional", so there is no issue with reordering an infobox to more accurately represent the elements of a franchise. SonOfThornhill (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box should be reordered 

message: A discussion relevant to the most recently added/reverted/re-reverted edits to the mainpage by the same initial editors (both here and there) has started here: Talk:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701).  Thanks.  Jabberjawjapan (talk) 02:46, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Using "the" with ship's names

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message: I would have to disagree with the changes that Mitchumch has made to the lead paragraph.
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Star Trek is an American science fiction and entertainment franchise based on the television series  created by Gene Roddenberry. The first television series, simply called Star Trek and now referred to as The Original Series, debuted in 1966 and aired for three seasons on the television network NBC. It followed the interstellar adventures of Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner) and his crew aboard the starship USS Enterprise, a space exploration vessel, built by the interstellar federal republic United Federation of Planets in the twenty-third century. The Star Trek canon of the franchise include The Original Series, an animated series, four television series, the Star Trek film franchise and an upcoming television series scheduled to debut in 2017.
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Star Trek is an American science fiction entertainment franchise created by Gene Roddenberry and owned by CBS and Paramount Pictures.For a more detailed history of the ownership of the franchise, see the corporate ownership section. The television series Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Animated Series,See the Canon issues section of the The Animated Series page for more details. Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: Enterprise, Star Trek: Discovery as well as the Star Trek film franchise make up the franchise's canon.
I personally don't like the new revisions, and I do not believe they fit with WP:LEAD. I feel the lead paragraph puts an undue weight on what the original series is about. I do feel a sentence describing the setting of the the whole series might be an approprate compromise.Oldag07 (talk) 04:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tend to agree that there is probably undue weight given to the Original Series. Can you propose a compromise. SonOfThornhill (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally wrote the original, so I feel a bit biased when I say I like the original. I can't think tonight.  Oldag07 (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. I like the first sentence in the new version, as I don't think GR was directly responsible for the evolution of the single series into a franchise. I also like that the beginning of the first paragraph dates when TOS originated. However, it might be best to move the linked series items into the rest of the paragraph. DonIago (talk) 19:49, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The original was written in what wikipedia calls news style.  Reading through the manual of style in this section, "In Wikipedia articles, the first sentence is usually more similar to a definition, the lead is longer, and it ultimately provides far more information, as its purpose is to summarize the article, not just introduce it.". Honestly, I know I have a lot of edits on this page, but I am more interested in the techinical stuff. I really am not much of a writer. Oldag07 (talk) 03:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New Lead

message: Majel Barrett is listed is a Co-Star under TOS and TAS, however she was also a guest in TNG,DS9 as Lwaxana Troi. Voyager and Enterprise as the voice of the Computer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.130.137 (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majel Barrett 

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message: the character John Billingsly plays is Dr. Phlox, not phlox. This link currently directs to the fauna, phlox Achurley42 (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DonIago (talk) 19:25, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018 

message: Section 3.8 should read An untitled series was announced on August 4, 2018 which will see Patrick Stewart reprise his role
Not respire. 32.210.194.134 (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Danski454 (talk) 17:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2018 

message: A whole two hour movie is missing from your article. 
How can this be? 
Star Trek - Starfleet Academy (1997) 
Starring:  William Shatner, Walter Koenig, George Takei, and Christopher Plumber,
to name a few... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFjKV9IcGV8 
50.70.236.24 (talk) 15:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because it is a fan film edited from cutscenes from two video games? KIRKIN' OVERTIME: THE WEIRD LATE-’90S STAR TREK MASHUP YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, WIRED Chris857 (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: You're missing a movie!

message: There is a location missing in the miscellaneous section on the right. Movie Land In Germany- Movie Land in Germany holds an entire Star Trek ride, featuring the bridge of the USS Enterprise 1701D and plenty of memorabilia from TNG and even has a borg on display. Plenty of Startrek merch from all genarations in the shop after the ride.
http://www.startrek.com/article/operation-enterprise-officially-opens-at-movie-park-germany Movie Tecdoug (talk) 01:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Infobox lists four theme parks and exhibitions.  It gives me the impression that these are part of the franchise and presumably owned by Viacom.  The important question is whether the exhibit in Germany is on a par with these other four venues.  For example, the Infobox ought not try to be a complete list of all Star Trek-related venues or products, such as the re-creation of the Enterprise bridge in upstate New York that William Shatner reportedly visited recently.  Spike-from-NH (talk) 18:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing theme park in Germany

message: Sorry if I do this wrong ... but someone need to fix the errors on the main page re history of Star Trek being inspired by ect ect. 
How can you talk about Star Trek an not mention that the show was based on the discovery of Australia by Arther Philip & captain cook, in their ships the Endeavour & the Enterprise ( 1788 ) 
“The creator of science-fiction series Star Trek was also famously inspired by Captain Cook and his ship, naming his fictional hero James T. Kirk and his spacecraft The Enterprise.
Kirk is the son of an Iowa farmer while Captain Cook was the son of a Yorkshire farmer.
The spoken line in Star Trek's opening credits "... to boldly go where no man has gone before" was inspired by a line in Cook's journal: "... farther than any other man has been before me ... as far as I think it possible for a man to go".”
Again sorry if I mess this post up. 
I just think it’s an important fact to be included in the main article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.178.27.253 (talk) 10:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, and thanks for the question. You seem to be quoting from sources, and these are the sources which should be looked at in order to ascertain how accurate the assertion is. Is Roddenberry quoted in these sources? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The comparison between Cook and Kirk was studied in Blue Latitudes (2002) by Tony Horwitz. It is also possible members of the Captain Cook Society promote this concept… A blogger on SAILFeed posted about this subject in 2013, specifically naming the society. I am unsure if Roddenberry or any of his contemporaries made such comparisons/claims. Patrick Stewart did say Roddenberry considered Picard (not Kirk) to be an analogue of Horatio Hornblower in Chaos on the Bridge (2014). Rdzogschen (talk) 16:11, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cheers for your reply, I just like to point out that I hardly think the Cook society would be even remotely interested in associating itself with Star Trek nor do I think anyone can ignore the facts- James T Cook vets James T Kirk.- The quote “ to boldly go” ect ect straight out of Captain James T Cooks Biographie about his 1770 journey to Australia.- The fact the ships used to journey to Australia in 1770 where named, the HMS Endeavour & The HMS Enterprise.Again I’m not saying I’m wright, just that any article should address the question in order to remain credible. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-05/endeavour-discovery-to-end-resting-place-theories/7382728Cheers, & thanks again.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.178.7.19 (talk) 02:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspired by Captain Cooks journey to Australia 

message: The subsection lists is as and untitled series, and then the first word of the text implies that it's titled Picard. Which is it? Babspage (talk) 01:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Untitled Picard series has yet to be given an official title. The *title will be released sometime before production begins in April. Rdzogschen (talk) 16:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

text: Not very useful without a source. DonIago (talk) 04:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the Picard series have a title or not? 

message: Considering the number of new series coming out, maybe we should split the TV series section into a network television section and a streaming section.  It might be too early for that, but it probably is a good time to start discussing it. Oldag07 (talk) 13:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I somewhat agree here.Timur9008 (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't think it is necessary. All we'll get is more headers.–  Vilnisr  T | C 16:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to discovery there is 4 new series (Picard, section 31 a Lower Decks Series, and a Nickelodeon animated series) . A few extra headers might make sense. Oldag07 (talk) 10:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

text: What exactly would it give? I actually don't see any difference between TV series and streaming series as format stays the same, only difference i see between Live action series and animated series.–  Vilnisr  T | C 12:10, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I could go with animated and live action. Oldag07 (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting TV series into subsections 

message: Should the infobox list films or television series that are "in development"?  I've only seen released products listed in other infoboxes. Mitchumch (talk) 14:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, anything in the infobox should be, well, or at least established.  - FlightTime (open channel) 17:30, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox and "films in development" 

message: On June 06, Rdzogschen removed reference #104 (book "Communism: The Great Misunderstanding") and wrote: "Work cited is not specific to Star Trek, work cited is synopsized as broadly explaining communism, work cited does not include page numbers to verifiably support claim Star Trek is described as resembling communism. Removed. Please use Talk:Star Trek to discuss." I apologize for not realizing that the reference requires to include specific page number. The page that refers to Star Trek as resembling communism is #8. Please let me know if you would like to restore the reference and insert the page number (#8) or I should do this? Thanks, Prosto aneg (talk) 22:01, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference #104 

message: There's a timeline showing, in our universe, when the series aired and when the movies were out.  I'd like to suggest a second timeline, showing about when the stories are set in the Star Trek universe. Such a timeline would place Enterprise before TOS, for example. SlowJog (talk) 00:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second timeline 

message: Recently (over the summer), during various convention panels/appearances/etc, the franchise as a whole was referred to as the Star Trek Universe (ref). Various logos were produced, while an official logo was generated (ref). This franchise as a whole has an official title at this point. Arguably, the title of the page should therefore be Star Trek Universe. Though this name has only debuted with the resurgence of the IP, with appointment of Alex Kurtzman as the 'Head of Star Trek' - it has now, "retroactively", named the massive franchise. Undoubtedly there will probably be naysayers. Thoughts?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be a marketing term of art, and not an official (re-)name or (re-)brand. Wanderer0 (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Star Trek'' Universe

message: This article currently suffers from a lot of trivial information, fan-servicing, and fan-page layout. There are many run-on sentences and overall appears to be cluttered. A similar problem was discussed at the Star Wars article several months back. A cleanup effort was made and the page has a clear, concise, and structure appearance now. I would argue that something of a similar nature needs to occur here. I will begin work on this in a 'Sandbox' and share it here, when it finally looks better. It's going to take a very long time given the size of the franchise as a whole.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit away. Rdzogschen (talk) 11:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. Edit your heart out. Wanderer0 (talk) 13:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: To be honest, I am not the strongest of copyeditors.  But the second paragraph needs a bit of copyediting. The changes I would make are big, so I figured we should discuss them before I make them.
:In creating Star Trek, Roddenberry was inspired by C. S. Forester's Horatio Hornblower series of novels, Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels, and television westerns such as the Wagon Train.
:* Does this really belong in the introduction?  Before mentioning the major tv shows of the series? I say remove it from the introdution
:These adventures continued in the 22-episode Star Trek: The Animated Series and six feature films. six other television series were eventually produced: 
:* Why is the fact that the animated series has 22 episodes in the same sentence that six featured films and six movies were created in the same sentence? Too much is being said in this paragraph.  I know reading further you can see the rest of the movies, but mentioning only six films, and then mentioning more films is confusing. Moreover, we mention the fact that we mention the number of series in the previous paragraph. Why are we doing it again 
:Star Trek: The Next Generation follows the crew of a new starship Enterprise, set a century after the original series; Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager are set contemporaneously with the Next Generation, and Enterprise is set before the original series in the early days of human interstellar travel. The most recent Star Trek television series, Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard, air exclusively on the digital platform CBS All Access in the US. 
:* Why were providing a disproportionate amount of details about the setting of Enterprise, and scant details about the setting of the rest of the series? I personally think we should cut all the details about the settings about any of the series in this paragraph.
: The adventures of the Next Generation crew continued in four additional feature films. In 2009, the film franchise underwent a reboot with the creation in an alternate timeline, or the Kelvin Timeline, named after a starship featured in the film Star Trek. This film featured a new cast portraying younger versions of the crew from the original show; their adventures were continued in Star Trek Into Darkness (2013). Its sequel, Star Trek Beyond (2016), 
:* Why are we mentioning the names of all the reboot films, but not even mentioning the name of the Motion Picture, the first film?
:Star Trek: Lower Decks. Appearing on CBS All Access, it is scheduled to debut in 2020.
: * Why just lower decks and not the section 31 show?  Why here?
If no one has any objections, intend to rewrite this paragraph. I wouldn't mind if someone else took a stab at it.  Oldag07 (talk) 15:16, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *The history, background, and series development seem fine and are of interest. How about starting at the reboot, where film names could be cut, as could the promo for CBS paid services, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have done Randy's suggestions. It still needs more copyediting.  I am not having the information in the intro but I am against the way it is presented. Oldag07 (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Paragraph 

message: ... for example, the phrase “the Wagon Train” should be changed to simply “Wagon Train”; the article “the” is improperly applied, here.
: Thanks for pointing this out. I fixed the one you mention above. Can you identify others specifically? Sundayclose (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some minor typos and grammatical errors could use touching up. 

message: Okay first of all, why was this moved to 'cleanup' so fast? Secondly, the studio has continuously referred to the franchise as the Star Trek Universe. I am re-opening the discussion, below.... --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be a marketing term of art, and not an official (re-)name or (re-)brand. Wanderer0 (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Disagree - the studios involved can use a franchise title, as marketing all they like. The franchise as a whole received a logo, and continues to be referred to as such. This seems like more than just a marketing technique. Proper discussion needs to follow, . Not just you shooting it down and deleting the discussion.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  We'll see how the term is utilized in the coming weeks (or months). But at present, I've only seen it (rarely) in marketing materials for tie-in fiction and licensed products, but the actual products do not include it. We'll know more once the delayed Kelvin Timeline novels are released next year. They were announced at STLV as part of the "Star Trek: Kelvin Universe" series… Wanderer0 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Promotional materials from Simon&Schuster show the upcoming Kelvin novels will be marketed as plain ol' Star Trek, albeit using the upright word mark used by the films, versus the emph'd Star Trek from the Original Series. I have also not seen any uses of the Star Trek Universe in upcoming licensed releases (toys, comics, etc.), though a few catalogs did include the name in the subject headings. As you say, , it looks to be marketing-only to distinguish Trek from other franchises. Rdzogschen (talk) 19:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

text:  Deleting what? Shutting down what? Rdzogschen (talk) 02:50, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for editing the autoarchiving. Wanderer0 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. Figured that was part of it Rdzogschen (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

text:  We aren't calling Star Wars "Star Wars Universe". Oldag07 (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-opening this discussion: Cleanup too soon/fast....

message: Recently (over the summer), during various convention panels/appearances/etc, the franchise as a whole was referred to as the Star Trek Universe (ref). Various logos were produced, while an official logo was generated (ref). This franchise as a whole has an official title at this point. Arguably, the title of the page should therefore be Star Trek Universe. Though this name has only debuted with the resurgence of the IP, with appointment of Alex Kurtzman as the 'Head of Star Trek' - it has now, "retroactively", named the massive franchise. Undoubtedly there will probably be naysayers. Thoughts?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be a marketing term of art, and not an official (re-)name or (re-)brand. Wanderer0 (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Disagree - the studios involved can use a franchise title, as marketing all they like. The franchise as a whole received a logo, and continues to be referred to as such. This seems like more than just a marketing technique. Proper discussion needs to follow, . Not just you shooting it down and deleting the discussion.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  We'll see how the term is utilized in the coming weeks (or months). But at present, I've only seen it (rarely) in marketing materials for tie-in fiction and licensed products, but the actual products do not include it. We'll know more once the delayed Kelvin Timeline novels are released next year. They were announced at STLV as part of the "Star Trek: Kelvin Universe" series… Wanderer0 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Promotional materials from Simon&Schuster show the upcoming Kelvin novels will be marketed as plain ol' Star Trek, albeit using the upright word mark used by the films, versus the emph'd Star Trek from the Original Series. I have also not seen any uses of the Star Trek Universe in upcoming licensed releases (toys, comics, etc.), though a few catalogs did include the name in the subject headings. As you say, , it looks to be marketing-only to distinguish Trek from other franchises. Rdzogschen (talk) 19:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

text:  Deleting what? Shutting down what? Rdzogschen (talk) 02:50, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for editing the autoarchiving. Wanderer0 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. Figured that was part of it Rdzogschen (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

text:  We aren't calling Star Wars "Star Wars Universe". Oldag07 (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Star Trek'' Universe

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Star Trek: USS PAN. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  TheAwesomeHwyh 20:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Star Trek: USS PAN" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Within "Enterprise (2001–2005)"
Change "Dominic Keating as Malcolm Reed" (links to an Australian footballer), to "Dominic Keating as Malcolm Reed" Burnt micah (talk) 00:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 01:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020 

message: Shouldn’t Pamelyn Ferdin , who would go on to be a big child star, such as the original Lucy of Peanuts, not be included as a guest on the episode ‘And the Children Shall Lead’? Vin720 (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Special:Diff/951545319  - FlightTime (open channel) 18:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guest appearances 

message: As Discovery, Picard, and Short Treks aren't presented on television, they're not exactly television products are they? Isn't it about time this article got a web series section? 199.66.66.136 (talk) 07:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would consider any episodic series presented on Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ or any other streaming service (like CBS All Access) as a television series, since Streaming is just another way to get content to your television (we dont differentiate between shows that are on broadcast television and those that are on a cable only channel, despite that being two different methods to get that content to your television). A streaming app is just another way to deliver television to you. Rcarter555 (talk) 14:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Television?

message: I don't think this is controversial, but I figured I would mention this redirect here Talk:Lower_Decks#Requested_move_6_August_2020 Oldag07 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving Lower Decks Page 

message: ADD Actor "Aron Eisenberg"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aron_Eisenberg) as recurring role "Nog" in Deep Space Nine, and Guest character "Kar" in Voyager 
Actually: NOG could be considered a MAIN character if Jake Sisko is also a main. Many recurring but vital characters are missing from the table that were vital to DS9. The Grand Nagus / Gul Dukat / Kai Winn / Chancellor Gowron are just top of mind. 
HansDeLeenheer (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 18:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Actor Aron Eisenberg in table 

message: I am thinking about creating a Shared Cast in Star Trek template and moving the shared class section into that page. Then I could use the same shared cast section on this page, Star Trek crossovers. I thought about also added this chart to List of Star Trek production staff but it seems like the more appropriate thing would be to remove the cast section of that page and to add that to the shared cast section as well.  Thoughts Oldag07 (talk) 18:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Could work if it is done correctly. SonOfThornhill (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems too big for a simple template. I spun it off into a draft page.  Draft:List of Star Trek cast members.  Feedback is appreciated. Oldag07 (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed title to better reflect proposal Oldag07 (talk) 18:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Revived Discussion Oldag07 (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious how you distinguish between Main and Co-Star? Do the credits actually use the term "co-star"? Sundayclose (talk) 15:31, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am not sure. I am trying to move off the current chart off this main page. It is huge.  Here is my draft. Draft:List of Star Trek cast members Oldag07 (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like the table was originally added by  here. Let's see if that editor responds. Sundayclose (talk) 21:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, so I suggest changing all co-star designations to main cast. There's no basis for stating that Doohan, Nichols, Takei, and Barrett are co-stars rather than main cast. Sundayclose (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those actors were credited as Co-Stars for the entire run of the Original Series. Rdzogschen (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have access to TOS. Exactly how were they credited as co-stars? I've seen every episode and I don't remember seeing the word co-star. The names just appeared in the credits. Sundayclose (talk) 23:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only "Starring" credit was William Shatner's. Nimoy and Kelly received "Also starring" credit. The remaining actors were credited as co-stars in the end titles, but not every episode they appeared in. I believe the co-star distinction was made because Doohan, Takei, and the others, were actually contract players for Desilu (later Paramount Television). They routinely appeared in other television series also produced by Desilu But, I could be wrong, of course… Rdzogschen (talk) 00:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't believe so… Rdzogschen (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about spinning it off into a template and then placing it on here? Oldag07 (talk) 00:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think any discussion of how the shared cast is structured should be influenced by how the wiki is structured under other franchises and continuities with an equivalent complexity. There should be a prevailing theme that sets the standard for how cast & character cross overs are documented.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.112.131 (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spin off Shared Cast section 

message: "Netflix distributes the series worldwide, except for Canada." This sentence is inaccurate- Discovery is not on Netflix in the United States either. Prcc27 (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Discovery Netflix access

message: For the TOS cast members section, a regular bridge crew memeber was Yeoman Janice Rand, played by Grace Lee Whitney.
She was also in 3 of the Feature films, and deserves a mention.
 Jat0307 (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Ericfood (talk | contribs) 15:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021 

message: In the cast members section on TNG, pleace change to "Sir" Patrick Stewart, as he was knighted in 2010 by Queen Elizabeth II for services to drama.
The prefix is used with the holder's given name or full name as the proper honorific.
"change Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard to Sir Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard" Jat0307 (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per, MOS:HONORIFIC, not appropriate in this context. Zaathras (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021 (2) 

message: Please add Laurence Yep to list of contributing authors in the paragraph about Star Trek PocketBooks. His book was Shadow Lord, published in 1985. JinnieT (talk) 19:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books / PocketBooks 

message: It seems like this wording has been here since 2016.
"Additionally, some contend that the Star Trek society resembles communism."
It seems to have been added with these two edits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Trek&oldid=745770481
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Trek&oldid=745209708
I am not sure about the first source, but the second source seems to be a valid source. However, the wording does not belong in a section discussing technology. If this phrasing belongs in this article it belongs in the "Conception and setting" section. As for now, I removed it with this edit simply because the phrasing does not flow with the paragraph that it is presently in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Trek&type=revision&diff=1052472935&oldid=1052398975
It is kind of surprising that a sentence that is so out of place in this article has lasted so long. Whether or not we keep a version of this sentence in this article, this incident suggests that we need some thorough copyediting of this article. Oldag07 (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean it isn't wrong. A society that is a utopia that runs on equal footing for all people regardless of status, background, or wealth that runs without money is essentially the model that communism targets. Whether it is out of place in the article or has improper citation is a completely separate point. Ckruschke (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism section 

message: I got voted down the last time I tried to spin the shared cast section. The list, especially with all the new characters coming is a bit unwieldy and slow to edit even with the source editor. The page as of this posting is 162,780 bytes.  Looking at WP:SPLIT, pages that are  "> 100kB/100,000 chars" should "Almost certainly should be divided".  I can imagine when reading this article, that people will see the chart and move on to a different article.  Is it more important to know which actor played Spock in which series, or is more important that readers read about the real-world cultural impact of Star Trek?
I still advocate splitting the page off. However, for now, I put the table in a collapsable box. And I moved the section to the bottom of the article. Oldag07 (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved Shared Cast Table to List of Star Trek characters. No one seemed to be complain with the shared cast section being placed in a collapsable box. This page is way too big as is. Oldag07 (talk) 03:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shared Cast section 

message: Basic google search
:cultigenic: "relating to cultigen"
:cultigen: "a plant species or variety known only in cultivation, especially one with no known wild ancestor"
DonQuixote (talk) 02:23, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  cultigenic 

message: In section "The Original Series Era"
Add note that Desilu Productions was owned and managed at the time by Lucille Ball. If you are not aware that Desilu was Ball's studio it would be easy to overlook how one of the most powerful women in Hollywood at the time helped make Star Trek a reality. Bonnysweetrobin (talk) 21:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: While after performing a cursory look at Lucille Ball and Desilu Productions I find this to be true (which is certainly a nice fun fact, and reminded me that I Love Lucy exists, which was a nostalgic treat), I'm not certain it is relevant enough for us to go out of our way to point it out in the Star Trek article. Another editor is free to perform this request should they disagree with me, though. You are also free to perform the edit yourself by meeting the criteria for being made automatically confirmed, which will allow you to edit semi-protected articles. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 06:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lucille Ball not only was the head of the studio but was personally responsible for the decision to produce Star Trek; this is mentioned in the article Star Trek: The Original Series and rates a mention here; I'll add it. AJD (talk) 07:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2022 

message: "change  Star Trek: Strange New Worlds will be released in 2022 to Star Trek: Strange New Worlds was released on May 5th, 2022" . Also the corrected sentence should be moved down in the paragraph to make it chronologically correct. 2601:484:C200:B27:C0DE:D669:E84A:1B5 (talk) 06:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Terasail[✉️] 01:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2022 

message: This topic has come up previously, but I would once again like to question why we are not calling this franchise by it's current name (i.e.: Star Trek Universe). It has been titled this by the distribution/owning company. As it is categorized/listed as such in various reliable articles, and categorized as such by the company that owns the IP, for what reasons have we continued to ignore it?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:40, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well because Wikipedia goes by common names I guess? People call the franchise the Star Trek franchise, not the Star Trek Universe franchise; the names of the series and films in it are things like Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: First Contact, not Star Trek Universe: Discovery and Star Trek Universe: First Contact; Simon and Schuster publishes Star Trek books; etc. If we had an article titled Star Trek Universe, it should be about the universe the franchise takes place in, not the franchise itself. AJD (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Who possibly finds the word “franchise” denigrating and offensive? Rcarter555 (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No one I know. SonOfThornhill (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Franchise official title (revisted) 2022

message: If the following can be confirmed, it could be added to the Cultural Impact section:-
Apparently, when Star Trek was first aired in 1966, the use of the split infinitive in the phrase "to boldly go where no man has gone before" was regarded as bad English Grammar.  The correct wording at that time should have been "to go boldly where no man has gone before".  However, during the course of time, the phrase was repeated so many times over the years that by the end of the 20th century, the use of the split infinitive became acceptable in English Grammar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk • contribs) 
:You need to cite a reliable source stating anything like the above. Although, it's highly unlikely. See our own article on split infinitive. DonQuixote (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: reliable source required 1he0r0c1e10 (talk) 18:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: Re-posting this here as have not got any responses over at List of Star Trek films and the same questions apply here:
I am assuming that the coloured lines we are using in the film table have been around for a long time but was wondering if anyone knows the decision making behind them? I personally feel that if there is going to be coloured lines used to differentiate the sub-franchises then yellow for TOS and blue for TNG would make more sense, but I also know that we tend to avoid using colours like this for film articles. If no one knows how these colours came to be then I would recommend we remove them or have a discussion about using more logical colours and in a more consistent way. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All I can offer is: I, too, have been "around for a long time," and I have no knowledge of the origin, decision-making, or reason behind the lines. I don't spend a lot of time outside my nerd corners of Wikipedia, but I don't think I've seen other instances of that kind of signposting in tables. My knee-jerk inclination is to remove the lines. For one, they're perhaps not universally accessible to all readers. For second, in the contexts where they're used -- awards, reception, etc. -- that type of signposting really doesn't seem to me to offer value. If there is merit or significance to point out, e.g. "The TNG movies controlling for inflation were never as successful as the TOS ones" (i.e. to draw a comparison between films spawning from a TV series), it's better delivered in written text. And there's some haziness as always on Generations, which straddles "base franchises." Anyhow, my two slips of latinum. --EEMIV (talk) 11:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coloured lines 

message: Remove Short Treks and Very Short Treks from the table in the Television Series section, and add them to a new table in the Television Shorts section. McEngland (talk) 23:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think a table with only 2 entries is a good idea, no. Zaathras (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It just seems odd to me to have them in a table in one section, while their descriptions are in a different section, but I understand that so short a table would also be odd. Perhaps there's another solution? McEngland (talk) 10:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the solution is to move the description of Short Treks and Very Short Treks into the same section as the rest of the series. Rcarter555 (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2023 

message: The audio version of this article is from January 2010! Someone needs to update this as soon as possible - so much has changed since then. MisterZed (talk) 11:13, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: reliable source required 1he0r0c1e10 (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why you've responded in this manner; what does sourcing have to do with 's request? In any event, it looks like information regarding audio versions of articles can be found here: :Category:Spoken Wikipedia requests. DonIago (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The audio version of this article is way out of date 

message: History sections are particularly difficult to write on wikipedia, especially with a subject that is being changed constantly.  There seems to be a lot of speculation in the final section.  Sourced correctly, the section seems a bit bloated. I think we can trim out these sections completely.  They seem speculative...
"The service's Executive Vice President of Development and Programming, Julie McNamara, said they were unlikely to expand the slate of Star Trek series until one of these five shows ended, which could happen when a series' story runs its course or a lead actor's contract expires. McNamara hoped to release a new season of Star Trek each quarter. Discussing the next phase of the franchise, Kurtzman said several projects were in development. He feels there would be opportunities for future series to be associated to other Paramount Global brands such as BET and Showtime, similar to Prodigy being developed for Nickelodeon. Monthly meetings with the showrunners of each new series are held to allow coordination between the different series and ensure that "they're not stepping on each other's toes" by using the same elements of the universe, according to Kurtzman."
"In October 2020, Kurtzman stated that Star Trek series have been planned through 2027. Kurtzman cautioned that this was a preliminary plan, but it was necessary to plan so far out due to the long production schedules for each series." Oldag07 (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been no comments on this for about a month. I am going to remove the content, but I certainly would not fight adding it back if anyone has objections. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Trek&oldid=1193798753 Oldag07 (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lets also note that Paramounts financial position, there is good reason to believe that Star Trek plans that aren't officially announced have been trimmed. Oldag07 (talk) 18:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming the "Expansion of the Star Trek Universe" section