Talk:Cork City F.C.

message: I've taken the liberty of editing the records: not the records themselves! but rather i've created tables to aranged the records into 4 columns, and reduced the ammount of white space in each record. the result is that the article is about 1.4 the length it once appeared, leaving more room for more detail :)--Gav 21:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabulated Records 

message: Someone who has a better knowledge of the club more then myself really needs a once over on this article, it a miss match of coloured tables of various kinds, as well the history could be written in a way so that it looks less like the one on their web site an more like an article not a just miss mash of stuff. I also had to remove the heros and villains section, it's just to POV to even be considered for this article, folks this is not a fan site this is an Encyclopaedia, if you want an idea of what this article should and has the potential to look like, i would take a look at the various EPL articles, like ones for Arsenal F.C., or Liverpool F.C. and others, Arsenal what should be strived for. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 03:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: The article was approaching Wikipedia's advised page limit, so I have broken the content up into other pages to get round this.
:That's good, but it's standard good practice to post your plans on the talk page *before* making wholescale changes like that! So that others can contribute. 
:Personally - while moving and creating a "History of football in Cork City" is possibly an OK idea - I think that some of the other stuff may not be appropriate for an individual article. You may find that some of the new "table of X" articles will be flagged with "not enough context" or some other  tags! I think there may have been other or better ways to resolve the "article is too big" issue. Guliolopez 16:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also - FYI - The WP article size standard is a guideline and not gospel. It should not be interpretted as an immediate spur a "cull" parts of the article. See Arsenal F.C.. This is a great article, (which happens to be "oversized") and doesn't suffer from some of the issues that the Cork City article does. Personally I think we should probably have just had a concerted effort to summarise some of the "season summaries", and "tidy up" some of the tables (which were probably a bit overpopulated with every available stat) rather than moving everything to their own articles. Guliolopez 16:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rights lads I'm reverting all of these changes.  I'm going to remove all the coloured tables and have basic text for most sections.  I strongly suggest a Cork fan rewrites the History into one brief article rather than a season by season guide, particularly when that is available (almost word for word) on the Club's official site  Dodge 18:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Size 

message: * I've left the template on this page so people can have a look.  I'm going to do the european section similar to the way I did it at St Patrick's Athletic F.C.  I don't thing the article needs all the info on the records page.  The official website give it all Dodge 19:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: * Get brief history instead of season by season from club website Done per "History rewrite" below Guliolopez 12:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless no objections, (and until someone can think of something better) I am likely going to (at the very least) summarise the awful and impenetrable "year by year", "blow by blow" section into a decade by decade history. That should go someway to improve this article. Guliolopez 19:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say go ahead.  Once you've put down the template.  I'm sure we(the Irish football people) can edit it.  Good luck Dodge 19:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - Per above, I've summarised the "year by year" headache into a "decade by decade" summary - reducing the original ~2300 words to ~1400. Summary draft is here. I'm not sure it's quite slim-line enough yet to replace the existing history, so I'd welcome any help/feedback on further summarisation before I move it to the main article. Guliolopez 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have edited your draft.  Don't think we need to know about every League cup or Munster cup failure, also removed the list of Friendlies. Does any other club list frindlies in its history?  Good work though Dodge 00:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To Do List for Cork City Page

message: Per above, Dodge and myself have completed an (exhaustative) effort to summarise the "history" section of the main article. See Cork City FC - History (Draft). Further comment/edits from other editors welcome before it replaces the current text. Guliolopez 10:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History rewrite

message: Ive updated the capacity of turners cross to 13,000.If any one can get an exact capacity that would be great. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.101.222.28 (talk) 
:Hi. From where does the 13,000 estimate come? I may be mistaken, but I understood that (even with the new "Shed End" stand), Turner's Cross capacity remains around 9000. To my understanding, capacity for each part of the ground is:
::South/DonnieForde  1900 + 
::North/DerrynaneRd  1200 + 
::West/SaintAnnesRd  2800 + 
::East/OldShedStand  1500
::= Total Seated of  <7500
:Accounting for (at a maximum) ~1500 "standing in the gaps between seated areas", the total capacity remains ~9000
:See  or  Am I missing something? Where does 13,000 come from? Guliolopez 01:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capacity 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Coekcityfc.gif

message: Would a discussion on how and when the crest has changed be a good addition? If anyone has the information (pictures/dates) I feel that this could be an interesting addition and could be included on the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.147.141.101 (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As you point out, unless a verifiable source (with dates) can be found, any such additions could be quite weak and problematic in terms of WP:VER. I say "weak" because, save for the most recent change, the crest hasn't changed to any notable extent over the years. The original logo (red ball, crest and banner) remained unchanged for a long time. When it did change in the 1990s and mid-2000s the changes made were slight. (Colour change to green and then green/gold. With slight tweak to banner length, font and text). The 2007/2008 logo update might be the only really notable change. (Removing ball and modernising Cork's "ship between towers" symbols. Return to black/red colour scheme). While it might be worthwhile adding a sentence or two on this to the "kits/colours" section, it is quite weak, and would absolutely require supporting refs. I'd recommend that it only be added if a VER source can be confirmed for the impetus/logic behind any of the changes. And confirmed dates of course. Guliolopez (talk) 12:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crest 

message: I am cutting down on the prevalence given to recent issues with the club in the lead section. It violates the guidelines on recentism (see Wikipedia:Recentism). The lead section should broadly reflect the entire history of the organisation; this issue is covered in detail in the appropriate section of the text and deserves no more than a brief mention in the opening. AC+79 3888 (talk) 15:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with lead 

message: Moved to 'Cork City Football Club' to allow changes to Cork City F.C. Fionnsci (talk) 23:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. But you should have raised the discussion topic BEFORE making any moves or renames! Guliolopez (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: ANd FYI - You should also consider having a look at resolving the DAB/incorrect link issues this move has caused. By reviewing/correcting the lists here and here. Guliolopez (talk) 12:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a huge amouont of aricles....is the only way to correct this to do it manually? Seems hugely time consuming. Fionnsci (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: In due course, the Cork City FORAS article should probably be moved to "Cork City Football Club". (Though NOT YET. While the club owns the name, rename shouldn't occur til the club starts playing/trading under that name). At that time, this article should probably be renamed to make way. In anticipation of the rename at some later stage, probably good to get some WP:CON now about what to rename this article to. Personally I think this article should be moved to Cork City Football Club (1984–2010). This would reflect similar naming setups at Cheshunt F.C.(1880–1931) and Tampa Bay Rowdies (1975–1993). Any other ideas? Guliolopez (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that Cork City Football Club, established 1984, should be considered to be no more. As stated in the paragraph below, the youths are still around, in spite of the League of Ireland side's absence. Also, it's of Cork City FORAS Co-op's intent not only to be renamed as Cork City Football Club, but to regain the history of old. In the official programme from last night's game, the chairman's notes (and others') read as if both clubs were the same. For example, referring to Timmy Kiely (a former player of Cork City, from former seasons) as a former player, citing the club's birth year as 1984, not 2010, and stating that they never ceased to exist (also citing the youth team as proof of continued existence). Paz-CCFC (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that when the name is returned, the articles should be merged. It will, in effect, be the same club. There is only one article on Derry City F.C. despite the very similar situation. The only real reason we needed a new one for Cork City was due to the name change. Fionnsci (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the articles become merged later, the name Cork City F.C. should be restored. I can see no good reason for spelling out "Football Club", especially when pretty much every club in the world uses initials there. – PeeJay 10:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I think we should just take up from where we left off, and leave the Cork City FORAS Co-Op page separate from the Cork City Football Club page. Include a note and link about it. Its a very important part of our history, but now that there's an extensive Cork City FORAS Co-op page, should we not leave it be and avoid trying to merge them? It seems like a very messy unnecessary task? Joseph 18:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion has been opened here. Guliolopez (talk) 22:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename CON (discuss well in advance of any rename) 

message: In the light of recent edits I think it's worth reopening this discussion to try and find a consensus. While the intro may need tweaking to address the change of name ownership, recent edits which assert that "Cork City Football Club is an Irish football team that plays in the League of Ireland" are not correct. "Cork City Football Club" does NOT play in the LOI. A club which owns the rights to the name, but verifiably does not play under that name, may play in the LOI. But - as per the above and separate discussions - until the LOI verifiably "recognises" the continuity/transfer of honours/etc, any changes which cover the 1984 club and the 2010 club are (at least) premature. Given the open discussion above (and elsewhere), editors interested in making broad changes to this article should provide detail and references supporting the "it's now the same club" position. Otherwise it's not in keeping with WP:CON or WP:VER. Guliolopez (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion has been opened here. Guliolopez (talk) 22:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reopen

message: Can "Cork City Football Club" be considered dissolved, seeing as the youths, a part of the entity, have been playing beyond the 23rd of February, are just finished their season, and will be continuing on in a few months, still as Cork City FC? I don't even think the holding company, Cork City Investments FC Ltd, are dissolved. They're in liquidation, but I'm not sure they're actually dissolved. I mean, they owned the rights to the name "Cork City Football Club" until a few days ago - if they were dissolved/out of existence, then would the have been able to own anything? Paz-CCFC (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youths 

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