Talk:Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, BWV 582

message: I deleted the last paragraph because I believe it was added erroneously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.139.216.235 (talk) 07:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted last paragraph 

message: I was wondering if it might be beneficial to the article to remove Marie-Claire Alain's analysis of the Passacaglia. Her theories seem to me to be spurious at best. Her point about Nun komm is perfectly accurate if you allow for the semitones being ornamentations of the Nun komm tune spelled in the dotted quavers, but when she says that the cantilena in bars 24-48 spell out 'Von Gott will ich nicht lassen' I cannot see how she came to that conclusion.
If written in degrees of the scale the chorale tune would be as follows (phrases are divided by semi-colons): 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 7; 7, 1, 1, 2, 2, 5; 5, 5, 4, 3, 2, 3; 2, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 2; etc.
For comparison I will write out the openings of each part from bar 24.
Top part: 1, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 2; 5, 4, 3, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 7; 6, 5, 4, 3 etc.
Voice two, right hand (starting from bar 25): If one accounts for the implied modulation that results from the imitation at the fifth then the pattern is almost identical to the one above.
Left hand part: (starting from after the quaver rest in bar 24) 5, 1, 2, 7; 1, 2(flattened), 3, 1, 4, 2, 1, 7, etc.
Aside from a coincidental similarity that arises when falling scales are used in both pieces (which could be applied to any piece with a scale falling from the 5th to the 2nd) there is absolutely no similarity here between any of the voices in this cantilena variation and 'Von Gott will ich nicht lassen'.
As for 'Bars 49-72, the scales are a reference to "Vom Himmel kam der Engel Schar"', that Chorale is no more scalic than any other Lutheran hymn tunes, many of which move by stepwise motion. As Bach's scales involve a lot of notes I shall not transcribe what he wrote into degrees of the scale, but I invite people to compare the Bach scales with the Chorale as I see no similarity of shape.
I am not familiar with the 'star' motive in "Herr Christ, der Ein'ge Gottes-Sohn" so I cannot comment on that, nor do I know the ornamented figure to which she refers from "Christ lag in Todesbanden".
She says 'Bars 144-168 "Ascending intervals in bass recall the Easter chorale "Erstanden ist der heil'ge Christ"' but the ascending intervals in the (by which I presume she means pedal) are a rhythmically altered and then perfect restatement of the ground bass of the passacaglia.
I would like some others to check this out as well in case I am mistaken or overlooking something. If I am not then her theories are unhelpful to students of Bach or music theory and simply read into the work quotations that are not there. If this is the case then her conclusions are wrong and she is not a credible source in this instance.
Thanks in advance to whoever takes on the laborious task of doing the double checking and well done to anyone who actually sat through all those numbers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhainault (talk • contribs) 02:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alain's theories - spurious? 

message: Second paragraph under Analysis says 20 variations; paragraph four says 21.  (Possibly the opening theme plus 20 variations = 21?) Casey (talk) 04:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many variants? 

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