Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archive 1

message: I just gave Tony Drago a new style infobox, and there were two issues:
* The style of the nickname: the object of the example we used, Stephen Henry, doesn't have a nickname, so in the example, it's just an empty box. Tony does have one - I put his nickname in italics, which seems a natural way of doing so.
* The old infobox (and for now the new one) mention 147 as his highest break. The text of the article however mentions 149 as the highest break. Do we want the infobox to really give the highest break (in which case, it should be 149), or do we want the infobox to show that a person has made a maximum break (15x red, 15x black and clearance), in which case the entry shouldn't be named highest break.
:I've put nicknames in double quotes in other infoboxes, but italics are fine. Consistency is the important thing. Drago's 149 was in a practise match. The infobox highest break is, implicitly, tournament breaks only. Maybe we should make this explicit somehow. --Auximines 07:47, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  More issues 

message: I've expanded the old article Embassy World Snooker Championship to include the entire history of the world championship (not just the Embassy-sponsored years), and moved it to World Snooker Championship. The old article now redirects to the new article. When I have more energy, I'll fix all linking pages to link directly to the new article. --Auximines 11:09, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: World Snooker Championship

message: I noticed that the Ken Doherty page mentions the tournaments 'Regal Welsh Open' and 'Rothmans Grand Prix'. Other player pages lists 'Regal Welsh' and 'Grand Prix'. Are these different tournaments? Abigail 00:11, May 16, 2004 (UTC)
:I believe they're the same. We ought to standardise on the tournament names. --Auximines 08:32, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Regal Welsh Open/Regal Welsh and Rothmans Grand Prix/Grand Prix

message: * I've upgraded the infoboxes of all the players to the new style as discussed above. (If I missed a player, then that's because the player isn't listed in the list of snooker players).
* I added birth and death entries on the appropriate date pages for all the snooker players (you gotta love Perl...)
Abigail 01:02, May 22, 2004 (UTC)
* Done world ranking pages for every year. --Auximines 10:16, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done things 

message: I've created an message box for world rankings 
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I intend this to appear on each of the world rankings pages. It's already on Snooker world rankings 1976/1977. Comments welcome!
--Auximines 16:14, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Rankings 

message: As you may have noticed, Wikipedia now has 'categories', which is an automated way of grouping related articles. I'm sure we can make use of that for the snooker pages as well. I suggest that we create at least the following hierarchy of categories:
* Snooker (top-level hierarchy)
** Snooker tournament (descendant from snooker)
*** Snooker ranking tournament (descendant from snooker tournament)
** Snooker player (descendant from snooker, probably from some sort of sports category as well)
I've created a snooker player category, and placed one player in it for now - tonight I'll automate adding the other players as well.
We could subdive the 'snooker player' category into 'English snooker player', 'Irish snooker player', 'Scottish snooker player', etc, but I don't think that adds much. There will be categories like 'English person', 'Irish person', etc anyway.
:This is fine by me, but on the player biographies the "Category" messages are shifting the infoboxes left, which doesn't look too good. --Auximines 08:26, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that that is a browser and/or user settings problem. If it were common, people would have complained much earlier (the English wikipedia was the last to convert to the 1.3 version of the software which makes this possible). You should file a bug report on the pages discussing categories - I've even seen a page that discusses where the 'categories' line is placed. I don't have the problem in the browsers (Netscape and Mozilla) I use. Abigail 09:03, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you by any chance use the Monobook skin? On Wikipedia talk:Categorization the problem you are experiencing has been mentioned in connection to the Monobook skin. It also says that the Monobook skin wasn't really production ready when it was released. I use the Standard skin, and there are no problems with that skin. Abigail 12:15, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fixed it! Thanks very much! A couple of days ago, my skin mysteriously changed to what I now know is Monobook. Don't know how this happened, I assumed it was a global thing. Anyway, I've now set it back to Standard, and everything's hunky dory. On with the show... --Auximines 13:24, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: Starting with 1927 in sports I'm adding world championship results to the 'years in sports' pages. Once I get to 1976 I'll add the number one in the rankings too. Other tournament results would probably be overkill. Got as far as 1930 in sports so far. If anybody has a way of automating this... --Auximines 14:27, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Automating should be a piece of cake. Don't do it by hand, I'll write a script tomorrow or on Saturday to do it. And then I'll rerun my script to add births (and deaths) of snooker players to the various date pages. Abigail 23:06, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll complete the 'years in sports' pages by hand, as I want to add the occasional comment, and it's almost complete anyway. Automated addition of births and deaths would be most useful, however. --Auximines 07:27, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I've done all these now. --Auximines 09:09, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Years in sports

message: Should there be a header for Ranking Tournament Wins in the infobox if the player has never won anything?  One example of what I'm talking about is Gary Owen.
--ChicXulub 22:25, 03 June 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, it shouldn't. Abigail 23:08, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I've removed most of them. --Auximines 07:54, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranking Tournament Wins

message: All the biographies have been allocated two categories, namely 'snooker player' and '<nationality> person'. However, I notice somebody has changed some of the Australian players to just one category, 'Australian snooker player'. Comments, anyone? --Auximines 08:07, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really like the idea, but I understand the reasons. The problem is that otherwise the '<nationality> person' categories get "too large". IMO, that just shows that categories might not be all so powerful. Making the nationality a subcategory of snooker players is arbitrary. One could have picked "Snooker playing Australian people" as well. Furthermore, down that road lies madness. Where does it stop? Will have a category "Left-handed Australian snooker players who died on Februari 29, were born on December 25 and had an acting career", just because the super categories become too large? Of course, snooker players isn't the only category that gets (randomly) subdivided - therefore, I think this discussion should be held on the pages discussing categories. Abigail 09:57, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories