Talk:Acre, Israel

message: The image for 'Acre' used to be massive. I attempted to minimize it, but have accidentally effaced it altogether somehow (although the code remains in the source). For the time being, no picture is better than a gargantuan one, but I'd appreciate someone sorting this out.
CharlieRCD (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 21:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: : (still predominantly a 1911 text - needs lots of revisions; this land is currently held by Israel in violation of United Nations resolutions.
How come, Akko is well inside the Green Line (242 does not apply), its inhabitants (Jewish and Arab alike) are Israeli citizens, what's the issue here? --Uriyan
Uriyan is right here. There is no question that Acre, a coastal town in the Western Galilee, is within the boundaries of pre-1967 Israel. Danny
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I worked through the page and did major copy edits and divided into topics and sub-topics. I also replaced the information about Akko's wall with a correct one and added some links with the history of Akko, as well as the official site of the Old Acre Developmemt Company.
Currently, the part of history is need more works since its laking many details. Also, we need to relate to the modern city of Akko (outside the walls).
MathKnight 15:18, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: old talk (may be unsigned, undated and un-organized

message: A google search on English pages returns:
*about 5,090,000 English pages for City of Acre
*about 23,400 English pages for City of Akko
Restricting the search to Palistine and Israel
* about 27,900 English pages for Akko palestine
* about 27,000 English pages for Akko Israel
* about 739,000 English pages for Acre palestine
* about 413,000 English pages for Acre Israel.
It is not archaic to us it in English eg:
* http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=1042 
Original Author which was not a stub starts: "Acre, Akka, or St Jean D'Acre",
So why is this article not under "Acre (city)" or some other title? PBS 11:47, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This one is a little sticky, because while there is plenty of precedent for using the "English translation" of a local name, that "English translation" is ambiguous with a very common word. All of the options are unpalatable, "Akko" seems simplest. Google results are not very meaningful, because hard to exclude uses of "acre" the unit of measurement. Stan 19:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Because I thought it was a better name and then changed my mind but messed up the page move to "Acre (city)" locking the page. But on reflection I am not sure that "Acre (city)" is better than City of Acre. I am agnostic on either name as  a disambiguation name for the city of Acre.  PBS 21:50, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Anyone still interested in this page move? I would propose simply "Acre", unless it's inappropriate or would cause a disambiguation problem. IMO this reflects the city's historical importance best, notwithstanding the above page numbers. Wally 16:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: City of Acre

message: The article says:
:Here Herod built a gymnasium
Which Herod is meant? Gdr 21:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Herod? 

message: There appears to be an article about this fellow, as Cezzar Ahmet.  It looks like there should just be a redirect or something to the unwritten Jezzar Pasha Mdanziger 21:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jezzar Pasha

message: I can't belive he's not mentioned in this article..... COME ON.....
Pure inuyasha 01:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: done.  Thanks for suggesting it. -- Jeff3000 03:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bahá'u'lláh 

message: I moved the infobox out of the lead section because 1) it is ugly 2) the purpose of the lead section (see Wikipedia: Lead section) is to draw reader attention into the article and a picture is much more stylistically pleasing and inviting than a bland wall of statistics and 3) there is no rule that says infoboxes have to be in the lead section. In fact, many infoboxen have incorporated pictures into them -- with the picture coming first! It doesn't matter where the infobox goes in the article but it shouldn't be in the lead section when there are perfectly good pictures that can go there. In addition, per the MoS on image placement, don't stack images (or boxes) one on top of each other, they should be "laddered" left/right, there are even "nag tamplates" for articles that do that.  -- Stbalbach 05:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of that, it absolutely does not belong in the section "The Greek and Roman periods". If there were a demographics section you could probably put it there, but for now I think we should put it below the image of the city. --PiMaster3 12:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to compromise with that but the template won't position correctly so I put it as the first thing in the first section. -- Stbalbach 13:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really believe that the infobox should be at the top, like all the country pages.  If there is no picture option in the infobox template, that's a problem with the template, and not with this page.  I'll move the infobox back to the top. -- Jeff3000 16:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you stick one of those pictures into the infobox? There are two pics right at the top... Adam Bishop 19:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be too easy. Ok so now the only remaining problem is the template has no "image description" field so the image has lost some context. I'll post on the template page for a mod unless someone else has another idea. -- Stbalbach 20:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of "infobox" 

message: Regarding this entry:
:During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Hezbollah launched rocket attacks on Acre, with two rockets landing. The rocket attacks led to Israel's Home Front Command to order the residents of Acre to stay in protective spaces.
See Talk:Tiberias#Ongoing war incidents for reason for removal from the article. -- Stbalbach 13:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoign war incidents 

message: I noticed it's not mentioned in the first line.--NEMT 13:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen earlier English spellings where it's quite obvious the pronunciation is something like 'Akk-ker' - the modern 'Ache-er' mispronunciation (as in the unit of land area measure, the acre}, is, I think, relatively recent, and certainly wouldn't have been use by anyone familiar with the region. Ian Dunster (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not Akker but Akko.--Gilabrand (talk) 05:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern pronounciation?

message: Do we want to keep the paragraph on Lieutenant Petit? It is unsubstantiated hearsay that has obvious credibility problems on a number of fronts - also the person who originally added  it to this article mis-represented what the source said - I had to find the source and re-write the paragraph so it was accurate. What does it add to this article, all it shows is a Palestinian made un-proven claims against the Israeli army of atrocities - we could write an entire Encyclopedia of people who make claims like that.  -- Stbalbach 15:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense; go ahead and remove it. -- Jeff3000 16:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lieutenant Petit  

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support - ask an israeli about "acre" and he wouldn't have a clue to what you're talking about - "akko" is the current national and international name for the city. city of akko - on hebrew wiki - also, there are the notes i've given at the into to the reasoning which includes Abraham day name of city.akko, old city last note: just because some people are confused, doesn't change the current name of the city... for your pleasure: interactive touring map of israel - akko is up north, above haifa. Jaakobou 17:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support - ask an israeli about "acre" and he wouldn't have a clue to what you're talking about - "akko" is the current national and international name for the city. city of akko - on hebrew wiki - also, there are the notes i've given at the into to the reasoning which includes Abraham day name of city.akko, old city last note: just because some people are confused, doesn't change the current name of the city... for your pleasure: interactive touring map of israel - akko is up north, above haifa. Jaakobou 17:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: # Oppose - Ask anyone except an Israeli about "Akko" and s/he wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about. Acre is the widely understood, internationally accepted name for the city. Wikipedia has pages on Jerusalem, not Yerushalayim, Jaffa not Yafo, Safed not Tzfat, Tiberias not Tverya and many other examples. Similarly, articles are about Hebron, not Al-Khalil, Jericho not Ariha and others. 
#:This does not only apply to contentious Middle East issues. There is an article on Rome, not Roma; Moscow not Moskva; Prague, not Praha.
#:: Jaakobou's reasoning is spurious, and would merely serve to confuse readers of English Wikipedia. The article should remain under the common internationally-used name, with redirects from Akko, Akka and anywhere else some readers may look. RolandR 22:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: Since when has Acre been in the 'region of Europe and North America'? (see infobox). Is this PoV pushing?
Imc (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For UNESCO purposes, Israel is a European country. The alternative would be "Arab States," so you can see why :) <eleland/talkedits> 18:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like this hasn't yet been resolved. UNESCO lists Israel under "Europe and North America" Change it? Toropop (talk) 10:43, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: World Heritage Site

message: I have removed the following statement as it has been marked "citation needed" for several months:
:According to the first census after the British rule over Acre, the province's population was 100,000 inhabitants, most of whom were Shiite Turks, Turkomans, Azeris, Persians, Bosnians, Albanians, and Circassians as well as a small community of Greeks.
If anyone can find a source, feel free to re-add it. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 16:28, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statement removed 

message: In the city details on the right, there is no mention that Acre is in Israel, although on the page for Tripoli, it is explicitly stated that it's Tripoli, Lybia. This should be corrected.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toxvaerd (talk • contribs) 09:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acre, Israel 

message: The section I removed is a claim about general Israeli policy, which does not mention the demographics of Acre. In fact, it does not mention Acre at all. How is this relevant to the section and/or article? Canadian Monkey (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree that the paragraph is not relevant to the article, and while it does mention Acre briefly, it definitely constitutes undue weight. Why does a 1990 statistic have to be talked about so in-depth, not to mention with a POV tone, for example by using the phrase 'Palestinian citizens of Israel'? Unless someone can convince me that this meaningless statistic, which might have some place in Education in Israel if and when that article is expanded, is relevant to the demographics of Acre, I don't think it should go into the article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've trimmed the section so as to leave only the part relevant to Acre. -- Nudve (talk) 06:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demogrphics 

message: I wonder, what is the point, beside defamation, to bring the allegations that proved to be unfounded in the history of a 3,000 years old city? Did you know that in 1812/1813 at least half the Muslim population of Acre perished due to plague outbreak? (Thomas Phillip: Acre the rise and fall of a Palestinian city page 176). This was a much larger calamity then the typhoid fever of 1948, but considering the long history of the city I do not believe that even that should be mentioned in the article. Taking a anecdote and making it an important part of the history of Acre (about tenth of the history section in the article is dedicated to that) is wrong. Avihu (talk) 08:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you say it wiped out half of the population, then it's certainly notable. These are exactly the kinds of research-based facts that city articles are lacking. I say add it, if you have access to the source. —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what I said. I said "half the Muslim population". There was a very large Christian minority and a small Jewish minority (yes, there were Jews in Acre before 1948). But you have missed the point completely. Either you write a very detailed history on the city which might include the fact about the plague outbreak and might include the unfounded suspicions about Jews poisoning wells, or you write a short history about it and give the major events (which the article does, sort of, the sentence "Suleiman Pasha, under whose milder rule the town advanced in prosperity till 1831" is totally wrong), but you can not have both. Avihu (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't like the current history section that much, work on a rewrite. Nobody said you couldn't. I am personally not interested enough in the history of Acre to contribute content to it, but would like the article to be improved, so if you can do it, please go ahead. —Ynhockey (Talk) 06:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I have enough work in the Hebrew Wikipedia (where the article about Acre is much better). If you prefer the current situation with the Incongruous paragraph about the typhoid fever of 1948, so be it. Avihu (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The typhoid fever of 1948 

message: The article places Suleiman Pasha as the ruler between Jezzar Pasha and the conquer by Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt. The Israeli wiki claims this is Abdalla Pasha, and has a very detailed article on him. . Can anyone explain? Are they the same person? --Muhandes (talk) 07:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll sort it out. Suleiman Pasha died in 1819 and was replaced by Abdalla Pasha. --Muhandes (talk) 08:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suleiman Pasha 

message: Is this section needed? (WP:TRIVIA)? Chesdovi (talk) 11:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, its gone! Chesdovi (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, Chesdovi! The article looks much better now. But I do think the Knights Hall photo was nice, and think it should be restored.--Geewhiz (talk) 12:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can make it fit in nicely, go ahead! Chesdovi (talk) 12:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture? 

message: There are a lot of citations to "Sharon, 1997" in the article, but really if that's the author of a book I couldn't find it. Anyone can verify or knows what that book is? 89.141.116.9 (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sharon" references? 

message: Per  and , this edit established the usages of the page as  and British English. Kindly maintain both consistently, pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 08:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Housekeeping

message: Please add a link to the orphaned page Saint Jawarjius Church and Monastery, an Oriental Orthodox church located in the city of Acre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Jawarjius_Church_and_Monastery Sideriver84 (talk) 07:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . Page needs significant improvement and may not be notable. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2021 

message: The name Acre most likely derives from the Greek 'Akra' meaning "end, point or extremity" which befits the geography of Acre's natural harbour.<Greek dictionary, Divry> 110.22.48.169 (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2021 

message: Adding this picture to the Acre (Israel) page is recommended.
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:British_Memorial_Plaque_in_Acre_(Israel)-1.jpg
109.66.117.91 (talk) 11:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  British memorial plaque in Acre 

message: In this phrase:
 thirty-two per cent of the city's population is Arab
Please change to:
 32% of the city's population is Arab
One sentence later, there's a comment about the mayor last being elected with 85% of the vote, not eighty-five per cent of the vote; it helps to use the same format consistently. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 02:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tollens (talk) 03:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2023 

message: I suggest you remove the "and perhaps diphtheria" section from your section under the 1948 Palestine War section, as that is quite literally impossible. Diphtheria cannot be transferred through water, it is an airborne virus. 
It should simply then read "...pouring flasks of typhoid bacteria into the aqueduct," RaccoonLover21 (talk) 03:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The source does mention dysentery, so I added that in the place of diphtheria. Perhaps the original editor mixed up the two. Liu1126 (talk) 14:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2023 

message: These were previously being (mis)applied in the etym section (they don't source the Egyptian text as being "Akka" at all)
* .
* .
but the first isn't bad itself and the second is fantastic. Both could be used for extensive citation or additions of points in the history section. — LlywelynII 17:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion