Talk:Surf music

message: It surprises me that there's not a single mention about Dick Dale in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.88.137.167 (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I added him. —Kenyon (t·c) 06:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Dale 

message: Someone has been switching around links to these three bands in a short paragraph about surf revival bands. I'm going to remove them, and link to Man or Astro-Man and Los Straitjackets instead, because 1) this looks awfully like a case of self-promotion as in WP:AUTO and 2) the surf revival bands I've mentioned are currently notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article each.
If someone can justify that the Howlin' Thurstons, Strange But Surf, or All Star Surf band are notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article -- per WP:BIO -- then I'd say it's appropriate to mention them here. As it stands, though, they just seem to be attracting self-promotional edits. --G0zer 23:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Drosenbe aka Blacktooth aka Drosenbe626 has continued to escalate the external link spamming. I can certainly no longer keep up without running afoul of the 3RR. Is it too soon to just report these accounts as vandals? (Maybe someone already has?) I have already reported them for sockpuppetry and tagged their user talk pages with . None of them have responded to my notes or others' notes on their user talk pages. --G0zer 17:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok. He seems to have stopped spamming, anyway. —ptk✰fgs 15:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange But Surf / All Star Surf Band / Howlin' Thurstons 

message: One of the more persistent external link spams is with the URL of "strange dave radio", a low-bitrate web stream hosted by Dave Rosenberg. Even without WP:AUTO, WP:VAIN, and WP:SPAM concerns, it is my opinion that this is only a minimally relevant link at best. I have been connected and listening to Strange Dave's Radio for a couple of hours now. The vast majority of the show consists of the host exchanging telephone banter with former fraternity brothers, regarding concerts and parties in their local town, as well as a large number of homophobic jokes. Although some surf and hot rod music is played, it seems to be stuffed quite heavily with the music of Dave Rosenberg's All Star Surfers. As best I can tell, the addition of the link is an attempt at self-promotion.
The link to Strange Dave Radio at Live365 may be removed on sight. --G0zer 02:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Dave Radio 

message: I am Angelo Liguori, Me and my band are the victim of harrasment by the Sock Puppet mentioned above as Drosenbe aka Blacktooth. He quit Strange But Surf in April 2006 and has nothing to do with me or my band. I am not Blacktooth and only go by the names above and have been defending this and other pages that have been vandalized repeatly by this attention seeker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marbles Mahoney (talk • contribs) .
:Ok. He seems to have stopped spamming, anyway. —ptk✰fgs 15:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange But Surf / Angelo Liguori / Marbles Mahoney 

message: As far as I can see, the subgenres of surf don't really deserve totally separate pages. Why not group them all under Surf Music? They are, by the article's own confessions, pretty damn similar. Stratpod 22:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Group them all

message: The article has a number of issues, including a lack of sources (WP:REF), a puzzling organisational scheme and a lot of format problems. It is also less than clear that the sub-categories are terms in general use and some of this reads like POV or OR. I will undertake a clean up soon. Any suggestions or comments that editors would like incorporated are very welcome.--Sabrebd (talk) 23:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up time

message: I am proposing that Surf rock be merged here. Authorities such as All music, while acknowledging the instrumental and vocal forms of surf music, do not distinguish them as surf rock and surf pop, with the Beach Boys being in 'the second wave of surf rock'[] Most of the material at surf rock is already covered here. It would be less confusing to have one article at this location. It seems logical to place the article here as "surf music" has the broadest coverage.--Sabrebd (talk) 07:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many devotees of surf music would disagree, making a clean break from the Beach Boys/Jan & Dean type of vocal music (which is not considered as surf music) and instrumental surf music, a la Dick Dale, Chantays, etc. See the links provided in the external links section for opinion/discussion on this subject. While there may be good reason to discuss both types of "surf" oriented music in one article, I think it should in fact be clearly pointed out that there is significant thought that the 2 types are quite distinct. Wschart (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The link to the band "The Astronauts" is incorrect and goes off to some movie instead.  My wife, a Colorado native, grew up listening to them in Boulder, CO.  Need a new link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.69.214.146 (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing it out. They don't seem to have an article so I removed the link.--SabreBD (talk) 07:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad link

message: A number of teen movies during the early 60's encorporated surf music and surf themes.  Endless Summer, Drag City, Ride the Wild Surf, and numerous "Beach Party" films used notable and popular surf music, sometimes featuring appearances by the recording artists.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goofyharry (talk • contribs) 03:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surf Music and Movies 

message: I was surprised that there was no mention of the revival that's kind of going on right now. (Well not so much now that it's winter.) Bands like Best Coast and Wavves have both released albums in the last year that're considered surf music by a lot of people. Not only that but they've both fairly big. I think it's worth a mention. -Vhaeos (talk) 23:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surf Music Revival 

message: There is a surf group active in the above County.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.119.123 (talk) 14:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange County in California 

message: with this section of the lede,  " backed by basic Chuck Berry rhythms."  What is a "Chuck Berry rhythm," anyway?  The Beach Boys ripped off some Berry tunes on their early songs, but the rhythm is just R&R.  I probably will change that unless something happens here.  Soon. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this, "backed by basic Chuck Berry rhythms," Carptrash (talk) 18:17, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am not happy 

message: "Their "vocal surf" style drew more from  Their "vocal surf" style drew more from African-American genres such as doo wop with its scat singing and tight harmonies. such as doo wop with its scat singing and tight harmonies."As far as I can tell this is complete nonsense. The Beach Boys vocal stylings draw much more from groups, white groups, such as The Four Freshmen than from  " Their "vocal surf" style drew more from African-American genres."  But let's talk. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just cut this out and moved it here for your perusal  

message: Evaluating Surf Music
within history, there was a sentence referring to the definition of reverb. There was no citation of where the definition came from.
Wrote "probably the single-most famous surf tune" this implies opinion of music due to no citation to proof that it was a top chart or most listened to song during that time period.
Citation needed for chart toppers for "Wipe Out"
Grims15NEC (talk) 18:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evaluation of some sentences in History 

message: On Feb 16, 2019, I made an addition called producers. Which basically looked like this below,Revision as of 10:56, 16 February 2019
;Producers
Herb Alpert played a part in the genre, producing for Jan & Dean.Rock and Roll, By Maury Dean - Page 297 Tony Hilder who owned the Impact label was a prolific surf music producer.The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, Colin Larkin - Page 287The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music, 1961-1965, John Blair - Page 102The Golden Age of Rock Instrumentals by Steven Otfinoski - Page 140 His name as publisher, producer etc., appears on many records, both 45s and albums. If not for the poor crediting on the budget releases his name would have appeared on more.Who Put the Bomp,  No.14, Fall 1975 - Page 12 "The Tony Hilder Story" by John Blair & Bill Smart Gary Usher was a producer who  produced, arranger and writer. His work included the Surfaris and the Hondells. He also wrote "409" and "In My Room", which were hits for the Beach Boys.Los Angeles Times, June 02, 1990 - Gary Usher; Co-Writer of Beach Boys Hits
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And later you User:ILIL came in and removed my work with this explanation below,  12:58, 16 May 2019 (→‎Producers:  WP:NAMEDROP, not even placed in the right section --- and so long as we're talking producers, where's Brian Wilson?)Well, I utterly reject the WP:NAMEDROP insinuation and say that is inaccurate and incorrect! Since then I have put my work back in  improving on it and slightly expanding on it while you have undone my work on Revision as of 23:59, 28 September 2019 with (→‎Producers:  see prev rationale). Well I believe your rationale is wrong so I invite you to discuss this with me before undoing my work again.My last edit on Jan 19, 2020 looked like this below,
;Producers
Herb Alpert played a part in the genre, producing for Jan & Dean.Rock and Roll, By Maury Dean - Page 297 Tony Hilder who owned the Impact label was a prolific surf music producer.The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, Colin Larkin - Page 287The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music, 1961-1965, John Blair - Page 102The Golden Age of Rock Instrumentals by Steven Otfinoski - Page 140 His name as publisher, producer etc., appears on many records, both 45s and albums. If not for the poor crediting on the budget releases his name would have appeared on more.Who Put the Bomp,  No.14, Fall 1975 - Page 12 "The Tony Hilder Story" by John Blair & Bill Smart Gary Usher was a producer, arranger and writer. His work included the Surfaris and the Hondells. He also wrote "409" and "In My Room", which were hits for the Beach Boys.Los Angeles Times, June 02, 1990 - Gary Usher; Co-Writer of Beach Boys Hits Terry Melcher was a producer, noted for his part in shaping the sound of surf music as well as folk. He worked closely with the Beach Boys and was responsible for some of their chart success.The New York Times, November 22, 2004 - Terry Melcher, 62, Creator of Hits in Surf-Music World, Is Dead By Jeff Leads Outside Brian Wilson's work with the Beach Boys, one of the acts he produced was Bob & Sheri with their 1962 single, "Surfer Moon".Inside the Music of Brian Wilson: The Songs, Sounds, and Influences of the Beach Boys' Founding Genius, By Philip Lambert - Page 53 to 54 OTHER PROJECTS
Revision as of 07:28, 19 January 2020
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;THE PRODUCERS & THEIR CONTRIBUTION
;Herb Alpert
* Herb Alpert played a part in the genre, producing for Jan & Dean. See Rock and Roll, By Maury Dean - Page 297 
* There's even an album Surfin Senorita that surf bands have recorded in a tribute to him.
;Tony Hilder
* Tony Hilder who owned the Impact label was a prolific surf music producer.  See The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, Colin Larkin Page 287,  also The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music, 1961-1965, John Blair - Page 102, and The Golden Age of Rock Instrumentals by Steven Otfinoski - Page 140. 
* His name as publisher, producer etc., appears on many records, both 45s and albums. If not for the poor crediting on the budget releases his name would have appeared on more. See Who Put the Bomp,  No.14, Fall 1975- Page 12 "The Tony Hilder Story" by John Blair & Bill SmartQuote: The Tony Hilder StoryBy John Blair & Bill Smart<I>Any attempt at a comprehensive survey of the surfmusic scene would be flagrantly incomplete. He was responsible for morelocal surf music than any one individual.</i>  
* In an article by CD Review, Volume 12, page 70 Hilder is referred to as "legendary surf guru".
* Hilder is mentioned in on various pages Surfin' Guitars: Instrumental Surf Bands of the Sixties - Surfin' Pages 50, 52, 149, 150, 151, 210, 212, 213, 215, 227, 228, 259, 260, 261, 298, 299
* Some surf albums by Hilder here at  - - Archive
* Some of his many records either on his labels or artists he produced, many of them surf Discography 0 Discography 1, Discography 2, Discography 3
* Then there's Hilder's alias, Mark Hilder. See Discogs - Mark Hilder. Also see AllMusic - Mark Hilder
;Terry Melcher
* Terry Melcher was a producer, noted for his part in shaping the sound of surf music as well as folk. He worked closely with the Beach Boys and was responsible for some of their chart success. See The New York Times, November 22, 2004 - Terry Melcher, 62, Creator of Hits in Surf-Music World, Is Dead By Jeff Leads 
* Terry Melcher; helped create surf music sound. See boston.com.news - Terry Melcher; helped create surf music sound By Myrna Oliver, Los Angeles Times    November 22, 2004
;Gary Usher
* Gary Usher was a producer who  produced, arranger and writer. His work included the Surfaris and the Hondells. He also wrote "409" and "In My Room", which were hits for the Beach Boys. See Los Angeles Times, June 02, 1990 - Gary Usher; Co-Writer of Beach Boys Hits
* Gary Usher helped shape the BB's sound - www.beachboys.com - GARY USHER
* AllMusic on Usher's band The Super Stocks
----------------------------------------------------So ILIL please before undoing my work again like you did with Revision as of 00:36, 26 February 2020, please, let's talk about it. I have included some background on the artists that I know have a place in the history of surf music. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 10:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've used the same edit rationale since 2019: WP:NAMEDROP. You don't have sources that state "Herb Alpert was an influential surf rock producer who contributed XYZ to the genre's development." Instead, you have banal trivia like "Herb Alpert produced Jan & Dean" and meaningless superlatives like "Tony Hilder is a legendary surf producer." This article is about surf music, not about record producers (WP:COATRACK). ili (talk) 17:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Has this dispute really been going on for three years? I suggest soliciting more opinions from the Wikiprojects listed at the top of this talk page, especially the ones marked high importance. My own personal opinion is that we should not include info whose only source is a producer's obituary. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear ILIL. You're still using different excuses. Auer music genre article without any info on who was producing it would be like having an article about a car and not mentioning the engine! Other musical genres here have section for producers. How can you look at and assess something without knowing what is behind it? Before attacking an article please discuss the matter here Karl Twist (talk) 08:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: <u>Removal of Important info</u>

message: Surf rock wasn't invented until the early 1960s. So how was it popular since 1958? This is really nonsense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.157.164.159 (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: from the Revival section because it does not say what it has to do with surf music.  If someone wants to expand it, that would be good.
"The fictitious band, Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters, appeared in the film That Thing You Do!."  Carptrash (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed this 

message: I noticed that one editor asked people to discuss whether to put Middle Eastern music in the stylistic origins section of the lead infobox. I myself don't know, I have seen evidence about Middle Eastern music specifically inspiring Dick Dale's stuff but I am unsure of its influence on the genre collectively. Evaporation123 (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Eastern music in stylistic origins?