Talk:Firefly (TV series)/Archive 1

message: Should we remove the movie paragraph until there is? - Jeandré, 2003-06-28t20:46z
:It is certain that Joss is writing it, Jane Espenson is a reliable source. Of course we won't know for sure they'll really make a movie until Fox approves it. Lazarus Long 11:37 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::According to IMDB, Hollywood reporter, and this article, the Firefly movie is definitely "in production"... obviously it's possible that it won't come together in the end, but I'd say it's past the point of being only in the talk stage. -- Wapcaplet 19:13, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie.

message: Can anyone access MundoFox to find out when it will be showing in Mexico and South America? Starting 2003-04-19? - Jeandré, 2003-07-01t23:30z
:Finally managed to get info from the mudofox site (it requires MS IE, ugh): Heart of Gold 2003-07-12 so MundoFox, and not SCI-FI UK or SABC3, seems to premiere 13. For more episode order fun see their episode list. - Jeandré, 2003-07-08t20:40z
::1AGE13 The message, 26 de julio, 2003. - Jeandré, 2003-07-21t01:18z
Anyone know if http://us.imdb.com/ReleaseDates?0303461 is correct with its Brazilian air date of 2003-01-01, and if so what kinda episode order chaos the Brazillians were treated to? - Jeandré, 2003-07-26t23:45+02:00
According to TVTome, "FOX Latin America" (is this MundoFox?) showed Trash on 2003-06-28 , and Heart of gold on 2003-07-19 . Were these dubbed in Spanish, or shown in English? - Jeandré, 2004-05-15t20:15z
Well, unfortunately I don't recall exactly when the show debuted on FOX in Brazil, but I can guarantee that it was not on January 1st 2003.  It was sometime between June and August of 2003.  The episodes were shown in the exact same order used in the United States and had subtitles in Portuguese (they kept the original audio in English).  The unaired episodes (in the US) were shown after "Objects in Space".  Right now, probably as a means of covering holes in their schedule, FOX is rerunning all the episodes, again in that messed up order.  The original airing time was Tuesdays at 20:00 (right before Buffy the Vampire Slayer).  Present reruns are Mondays through Fridays at 17:00.  FOX has separated departments for Brazil and the rest of Latin America, because of the Spanish/Portuguese issue, so some of the info concerning Latin America does not apply to Brazil and vice-versa.  I imagine that most of what I've written about the show in Brazil did not happen exactly the same in other South-American countries. Hope this was of any use. Redux 01:56, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish tv.

message: It's not a television brand, and there's talk of a Firefly comic books series (like Joss' Fray); so, shall we move the article to "Firefly (television series)"? See also Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(television). - Jeandré, 2004-04-10t01:32z
:Done. -Sean 01:01, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title.

message: Just curious: why was the link to the hypothetical Firefly timeline removed? Granted, it could be justifiably removed on other grounds (since it appears to just be one fan's random speculation), but the "no original research" restriction only applies to Wikipedia articles. There's no rule saying we can't link to original research. -- Wapcaplet 01:36, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Judgment call, at least as far as I'm concerned (I can't speak for the others who have removed it).  There is nothing to base this speculation on, just random guesses, so I consider it like fan fiction which really doesn't need to be linked to around here.  RADICALBENDER★ 02:34, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypothetical timeline 

message: Also just curious: Why remove the detail of these characters' full names? Is it not considered canon/factual because it hasn't yet appeared in the movie? Rossumcapek 04:18, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The IMDB currently has "Zoë Warren" and "Hoban Washburne." --Rossumcapek 04:07, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: "Hoban Washburne" is the name I referenced above. "Warren" is a leftover from the "Jerry Lee 'Wash' Warren" mistake, and I don't want to assume that Zoë took her husband's name. SarekOfVulcan 23:44, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wash & Zoë's full names 

message: Some stuff I took out:
* (about cancellation): [I]t was also suggested that Whedon's additional responsibilities on Angel after co-creator David Greenwalt's departure from that show was a contributing factor
** I've always been uncomfortable with this bit, since it's not referenced; I fail to see how Whedon's additional responsibilities on Angel could have adversely impacted Firefly. It's not like he slacked off or did a lousy job on Firefly because of it, and most of the episodes were most likely done by the time Greenwalt departed (anyone know when that was?)
*** I've actually heard the opposite, that Whedon was so involved with Firefly that his preoccupation with that show was blamed for Buffy's cancellation. 23skidoo 16:35, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removals 

message: "It should be noted that the show was, by necessity, not filmed on multiple planets."
What does this even mean?  Of course the show wasn't filmed on multiple planets...I don't see many productions being made on Mars.
On the other hand, if the person means that every planet in the show looks the same because they're all supposed to be the same planet, then this is also wrong.
I'm removing this until someone clarifies what they mean.
Gnrlotto 02:31, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation - Multiple Planets 

message: Where was it announced that the Serenity release date has been pushed back? The official movie website still says April 22, 2005. -- Wapcaplet 22:58, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: Nothing major, but a quibble that I'd like to see cleared up one way or another. Is Anglo-Sino the Alliance's official or canonical name? Has that appellation ever been used on the show? As the prefix Anglo- is given to England or the United Kingdom, I find it strange that it would be applied to a merger of the US and the PRC. Khanartist 04:23, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-Sino Alliance? 

message: As I belatedly got around to watching Firefly (a serious competitor with Buffy as Joss Whedon's best, IMHO), I found myself wondering about something. One of many recurring entertainments of these Whedon shows is the occasional witty line that suddenly dies in the middle, as if the wit suddenly ran out. Here are Buffy and Firefly examples:
:Buffy: Giles, it's one thing to be a Watcher and a librarian. They go together, like chicken and… guh, another chicken… or… two… chickens, or… something — you know what I'm saying!
:: from Buffy, "What's My Line?", Part I
:Mal: Well, looks can be deceiving.
:Jayne: Not as deceivin' as a low-down… dirty… deceiver.
::from Firefly, "Out of Gas"
:Jayne: Captain says you're to stay put. Doesn't want you to run afoul of his blushin' psychotic bride. She figures out who you are, she'll turn you in before you can say… "Don't turn me in, lady."
::from Firefly, "Trash"; somehow Firefly's always come from Jayne ☺
I haven't seen Angel enough to provide an example, but I'd be shocked if it didn't have plenty to offer. What I'm wondering is whether Whedon-show fans have come up with a term for these collapsing witticisms, like MST3K's "Crow Syndrome" (extending suggestive quips to an extreme, only to be shouted down). The structure certainly isn't unique to Whedon's shows — Blackadder has a good measure of these — but I was hoping that there was a shorthand term among the Buffy/Angel/Firefly crowd. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsing witticisms 

message: An anon has changed a reference in the "Setting" section from Cowboy Bebop to Outlaw Star. I've never heard of either show, so I won't comment, but does anyone more knowledgeable want to take a crack at it? Khanartist 18:51, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)
I've never heard of either of these show either, but Wiki does have articles on both of them.  It does look like, however, that Outlaw Star more closely represents the plot and setting.  I suggest we put both references (Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop) in, though.  Stanselmdoc 20:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Show? 

message: Popgurls: There was a lot of talk about some Firefly episodes not airing in order. Whose decision was this, and did you have any say so?
Tim Minear: Well, again I return to the pilot not airing first. This colored everything that came after it. While the network was forever trying to get us to air out of order, in the end it was my notion to pull "Our Mrs. Reynolds" up in the rotation, because I felt it had a lot of great character stuff and was spaceship-bound. This bumped "Shindig" and "Safe" down in the airing order. Our fear was that "Shindig" looked like Gone With The Wind, and again, without the pilot to elegantly introduce the hybrid western/science fiction setting, people would be confused. (And they were, by the way. The most common comment we'd see is "Why the old guns and horses?")
"Shindig" was a fish-out-of-water story, and, without the pilot as introduction, we'd not had the chance to really set up the "fish" or the "water." Also, the original cut of "Safe" was rather troubled and needed a whole lot of reshoots and reworking. It couldn't be ready to air after "Shindig" if "Shindig" came early, and because "Safe" takes place right on the tail of "Shindig," we needed more post production time on these two. This was another reason to push those two episodes and pull up "Our Mrs. Reynolds."
-- excerpt from Popgurls.com interview, posted here by 67.136.145.246 at 08:42, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tim Minear on out of order airings 

message: I expect shortly to be creating articles on the currently missing regulars of Firefly (Wash, Inara, Simon, and River), unless someone beats me to it. I noticed that the links to all but Zoë, Wash, and Book have "(Firefly character)" unnecessarily appended to their names. Wikipedia practice normally gives the undisambiguated name as an article title to the most famous person with that name, and so far, none but "Malcolm Reynolds" seems even to have the least likelihood of requiring disambiguation. Other than the technical difficulty of moving "Jayne Cobb" back to the original undab'd position, is there any compelling reason not to have them all without the unnecessary disambiguation? (The fully dab'd links would remain as redirects and against future contention for priority.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No one seems to be concerned about this simiplification of character articles, so I've gone ahead and moved Malcolm Reynolds, Inara Serra, and River Tam to their undab'd forms. I've prepped Jayne Cobb (Firefly character) to be moved and requested a move to Jayne Cobb by an admin because both articles have histories. I've left Zoë, Wash, and Book alone, since their one-part names aren't especially unique, and I've left  Simon Tam (Firefly character) undab'd here in anticipation of creating the fully-qualified name and then moving it to short form (which isn't currently in use). Kaylee Frye was already undab'd. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: With the creation of articles for Simon and Wash, and the successful move of Jayne's article, all the regulars now have articles that follow the naming structure described above, except that Simon's was apparently created directly as Simon Tam, which is just as well. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary disambiguation for character articles 

message: Is the description of Jayne as "dull-witted" accurate? I admit, I've only watched the first three eps ("Pilot" through "Bushwhacked"), but he doesn't seem all that stupid to me -- just very self-interested. --Jay (Histrion) 16:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Keep watching. He's stupid. His self-interested plots always fail. The Singing Badger 16:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hes not really dull witted, hes actually really smart, if you watch the whole series, hes justtoo selfiish for hat to shine throughGavin the Chosen 22:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Gavin, there is a lot more to Jayne than at first appears. He is quite intelligent, but that intelligence is funnelled down certain tracks rather than a general intelligence. He is actually one of the more complex characters in the show if you look behind the facade he projects. Ben W Bell 07:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dull-witted? 

message: Now that we have articles for each of the 14 Firefly episodes (however currently stubby), is there any reason to have that honkin' big matrix in the middle of the article? It has a lot of minor details that seem better presented in each show's article (which I've added to them). The only thing missing from each show's Infobox is the channel on which each episode first aired, and that could be added to the show articles, parenthesized in a bulleted episode list here, or both. Any objects to my converting the table to a simple bulleted list? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: After ensuring that every bit of data from the episode table (including the networks) had been copied into each episode's individual article, I replaced the table with a simple numbered list and placed it at the top of a new section, Episode airing and cancellation, that combines the previous "Airing and cancellation" and "Episodes" sections, hopefully not too artlessly. Added benefit: the A&C text no longer requires jumping ahead to match the episode numbers to the show titles, since they're just above them in a more compact form. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode list 

message: I'll repeat here a question I asked at :Category talk:Firefly episodes: Should Serenity (film) be included as a Firefly episode? Technically, it's a movie, not a TV-show episode, but it's surely going to be considered a canonical "episode" of the Firefly story. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that in terms of raw accuracy that Serenity the film should not be considered an episode of the series, and that any information on the film should be included in the article for the film. Though made by many of the same people. Even the recent article in Entertainment Weekly includes a specific conversation with Whedon about his feelings in finally realizing that "Serenity is not Firefly" --- that the movie by its nature simply cannot be the same thing that the TV show was. While certainly "canon" from an artistic standpoint, I think that just like any other spin-off or after-the-fact project the movie would accurately fall into the category of "works based on Firefly." BarkingDoc 08:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serenity film an "episode"? 

message: I'd love to see a section about the music in the show. Some of it (and not just the obvious Ballad of Serenity theme tune or the Hero of Canton song) sticks in my mind. Any takers? Nearside 21:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: I added a section about the R. Tam videos that have been circulating on the internet.  They may go better on the movie page, but I've been avoiding it because of the spoilers.  If someone wants to check if there's a section over there already, and possibly move this one there if none exists, I'd appreciate it.
Quickbeam 06:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viral Marketing 

message: Perhaps it might be better to link to something like Google groups instead of a news: link? For a user that has never used newsgroups it is just going to launch confusing programs on their pc, and anyone who already knows howto use newsgroups would probobly prefer to add the group manually anway. --Windsok 11:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  news:alt.tv.firefly