Talk:Seventh generation of video game consoles/Archive 3

message: In the Xbox 360 section it calls BioShock  an “upcoming exclusive” however it has now been released, and is also available or the PC. Someone should fix this.  71.224.213.145 15:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BioShock

message: Seeing as there is a "Top-Selling Games" row, I think it would make sense to add an "Anticipated Games" row. Thoughts? Laptopdude 20:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be the threshold for adding an "anticipated" game? Just64helpin 20:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say part of classic/best-selling series. - RoyBoy 800 16:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, too. Only games of well-received and best-selling series exclusive to the particular console. Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are the ones I would choose. Laptopdude 19:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The row should be named "Anticipated games" per WP:MOS. Other than that, I have no immediate objections. Just64helpin 20:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Both Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots are scheduled for release "TBA 2007". However, many games are "anticipated" without a release date. Not knowing when they will be released merely raises anticipation. Laptopdude 17:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The article already contains a "Software" section containing "anticipated franchise titles", which makes the row redundant. Just64helpin 20:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I never even looked at that section and had no knowledge of its existence. After looking, I completely agree that the row was unnecessary. Laptopdude 22:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anticipated games

message: Does this make sense? According to the GP2X page its only sold a few thousand and is only available in Korea. Is it really legit to compare it to the DS and PSP? Tehw1k1 03:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is stupid to have the GP2X on this page. The article itself states that it follows a completely different market strategy than the PSP or DS. It is Linux based and is closer to a handheld PC than a gaming system. Honestly, it should be taken off. There are only two real competitors in the handheld market. Everything else is a very distant third. --K1000 07:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: if we use your reason then then we can remove wii be chose it follows  different market strategy than xbox360 ps3 and if you forgotten ps3 also run linux --Andri12 21:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Then i'll give another reason. The GP2X has only sold 30000 units and only expects a total of 50000 by Christmas. The other two systems PSP and DS have sold over 10000000 (10 million) each. How can the GP2X be compared? 30000 is only .3% of 10 million. Not to mention that no gaming website such as IGN or gamespot has anything about it. TAKE IT OFF--K1000 23:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually the sales number is relatively new. It is less than a year old. This is usually acceptable. IGN and gamespot both have two or three articles total on the GP2X. I wouldn't count that. Also, if it had sold 50,000 units by christmas then it still is not in the same league. If sales continued to grow exponentially then it still would not even be close to the other two. Also, are there no other handhelds that are part of this generation, or even non-handhelds. Is it really just Wii, PS3 and 360? Somehow I don't believe that.--K1000 20:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I am not saying that the GP2X should be taken off the page, it just shouldn't be in the comparison chart. It actually looks bad to have it in the chart because their is so little information on it. It is a tiny column and it looks unimportant in the chart itself. Maybe it should be included elsewhere.--K1000 16:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GP2X in comparison chart 

message: I am aware of several online sources that give rough estimates as to the number of consoles sold. Although they update whenever a new sales figure is officially released, they keep an ongoing counter that adds the approximate number of consoles bout every so many seconds. I am wondering if sites such as nexgenwars.com and vgchartz.com are truly reliable and can be used in Wikipedia, especially since their numbers vary largely from each other. Laptopdude 20:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are unreliable for the exact reasons you state. The sites approximate, not report. Just64helpin 20:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just by looking at the discrepencies between the figures on nexgenwars.com and vgchartz.com, one can see that they can't both be accurate.  Personally, I prefer to look at vgchartz.com because it shows a smaller gap in sales between the Xbox 360 and the Wii.  However, it has already been decided that neither of these sites should be used as sources.  Useight 02:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Not only do I strongly doubt that, but there is no citation. I am changing it back to 3.6 million +. Laptopdude 16:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. Just64helpin 16:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units sold (home systems) 

message: The 'Lost in blue' franchise is the same as the 'Survival kids' franchise that already existed on GameBoy.
Maybe it should be moved to Revived franchise.
81.244.229.205 13:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franchise list 

message: I saw in the home systems comparison chart that someone has added that up to 8 wiimotes can be connected. I have heard nothing of this, and completely doubt it. I will replace it with 4 unless someone can give me a concrete citation.
On Nintendo's website itself () it says that "...Four Wii Remotes can communicate with Wii...". I do not think that there is any question, but if someone has something let me know. Laptopdude 23:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck connecting 8; they only have 4 lights on them, anyway.  Maybe they meant 4 wiimotes and 4 Gamecube controllers??  Useight 05:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm....I still don't think so. However, two interesting links: ,  Laptopdude 18:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No offense, but this should have been changed immediatly. For one their are many official things from Nintendo that say only four and there are only four lights on each Wiimote.  Even if it might be able to connect 8 through a hack or glitch, it is obvious that Nintendo only intended four. I think I read on some Wikipedia introduction page that you are supposed to be bold in editing. Again, no offense.--K1000 23:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I see your point. I was just getting really used to posting on the talk page. Something like that can just be changed. Laptopdude 20:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, until someone actually manages to connect 8 and play a game, it's not fact.  Useight 22:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  8 Wiimotes??? 

message: I'd say it's about time to archive the talk. I would suggest going to the end of May. That would mean all topics from "wheres the bits??" to (including) PS3 memory. What do you think? Laptopdude 00:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it. This talk section is huge.--K1000 17:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: I don't think that slightly updated games that have been released in the XBOX live arcade or the Wii/PS3 equivalent should be included under franchises that have been revived. That section should be reserved for actual new games that are sequels or prequels to old games.--K1000 17:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games from XBOX Live arcade 

message: I think we should fit it in somewhere that they slashed the price for the 60GB by $100 USD Source: CNN Article—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.246.83.240 (talk • contribs).
:I suppose a new row could be made for "current price" or something to that effect. Just64helpin 16:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely we need a new row, since the current tag of "recently dropped to XXX.XX" is really inconsistent with the layouts of the other console generation articles. 76.237.132.203 02:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New PS3 Price (60GB) 

message: Well, I looked at one of the cites for the Wii's units sold and found that the website also gives a list of top-selling games, three for each console. Check out  (scroll down a bit). What do you think? Laptopdude 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top-Selling Games 

message: Inside the table that compares the three consoles, the PS3's section says, "All of the services on the Playstation Network are free" under each of the three SKUs. I'm going to be bold and remove those three sentences because they really aren't included accessories, probably just some fanboy's addition.  Besides, the Wii's network is also free, but that isn't mentioned.  If you guys don't agree, feel free to put it back.  Useight 03:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 Included Accessories

message: Again, in the table comparing the three consoles, in the PS3's box about included accessories, it lists an Ethernet Cable and a Cat 5 Cable.  If I'm not mistaken, these are both the same thing, and I doubt there are two of them in the box.  Shouldn't one of these be removed from the list?  Useight 03:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category 5 Cable vs. Ethernet Cable

message: I removed Pokémon from the "Franchises revived during the seventh generation". The first Pokémon game released for a seventh generation console was Pokémon Dash for the Nintendo DS, released in December of 2004, only a month after the seventh generation supposedly began. Pokémon Emerald for the Game Boy Advance (a sixth generation console) had been released that past September. I do not believe that one could describe a game being released only two or three months after another game of the same franchise (but belonging to the previous generation) could count as "revival" of the franchise. (We might as well put the Halo series under the Xbox 360 section by that logic.) As well, the link in the article only led to the main Pokémon article (Pokémon), rather than the more relevant Pokémon (video games). Ultraflame 18:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pokémon removed from revived franchises

message: Is this frankly very non-notable console really needed in the Comparison section and chart? It really just seems like a waste of space to me, and deserves no more than just a line or two at the end of the section's paragraph. Haipa Doragon 15:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GP2X 

message: How come for the PS3 and Wii the numebrs put are for numbers sold, and yet for 360 it is for how many are shipped?  This seems unfair in my eyes.  I think it should be one or the other...or both.  What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.44.158 (talk • contribs).
:I believe this is because Microsoft financial information reports sold units of Xbox 360 to retailers, similar to PlayStation 3, while Nintendo reports sold units to consumers. This has been since time ago, and is generally accepted. -- ReyBrujo 03:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipped or sold 

message: Expected shipments for Wii are estimated around 72 million. . Preety good! PS3's shipments are expected to reach 10-11 million to March 2008 . Preety bad. Dont want to conclude somewhere but Nitendo will probably be 7th generations winner. Wii will end up with 70-80 million shipments and 65-75 million units sold. PS3 will end up with 15-20 million shipments and 10-15 million units sold. Reminding: im just presuming right now. Dont you think that this scenario is preety potential?!\
--Mysterious Spy 06:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right on! I agree 100%. But I don't think it is safe to say the Wii will dominate just yet. Remember, the 360 is still in the picture here.--Kondrayus 21:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: While that would be nice, this is not a forum for discussing the topic, but rather discussing how to improve the article, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  But I hope that happens, too.  Useight 07:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expected shipments for Wii: 72 million 

message: http://www.psu.com/Playstation-3-hits-6-Million-Sales-WorldWide-News--a791-p0.php
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p2.html
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/07/28/playstation-3-jumps-up-to-6-million-worldwide-sales/
and People discussing it:
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=88330
Hopefully we will find out if these numbers are true or not soon enough Jon God 00:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  6,000,000 PS3s sold? 

message: Some IP addresses keep changing the launch price to $449.99.  Just FYI, regardless of current prices and sales, the launch price should remain unchanged at $499.99.  Useight 22:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but an editor's note should explain this, rather than shoo people away. Just64helpin 23:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had placed a comment next to the launch numbers asking editors to refrain from changing them, because it was being changed nearly every day, but it was removed due to apparent "bad faith" when I was only trying to keep the article credible.  If an editor's note should explain this rather than shoo people away, there still needs to be an editor's note.  Useight 17:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It would be easy to stop people from editing this by just adding a current price section. Most people just see the number and not the label about what the number is about so if we had the current price people wouldn't bother editing the launch price number.--Kyle(talk) 23:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have grown tired of this and have applied for semi-protection of the page. Tehw1k1 06:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting the current price seems kind of close to spam-like advertising.  Other articles about items currently in retail don't usually have the price.  Useight 07:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Semi protection is probably the best thing since most of the annoying changes have been by unregistered users. That warning at the top of the page should stay for a little while too.--Kyle(talk) 01:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Taking the prices out entirely might make things easier. Then again, articles on generations usually focus on the horse race between the consoles, and price plays a role in that, especially in this gen. Tehw1k1 03:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Prices are too big a role in this generation to just leave it out. Let's just leave it as it is now with the semi protection and the warning on this page and see how it goes. Hopefully the annoying edits will slow down.--Kyle(talk) 03:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: $449.99 vs. $499.99

message: Nokia has announced to relaunch the N-Gage. But this time, as a platform, which will run on various of Nokia's Symbian handsets, although, which handsets will be able to play the games are still in dark. But N95, N93 etc. handsets are likely to be included. Several first and third party titles have been announced (including ONE and System Rush Evolution, Asphalt 3, etc.). The platform is to be launched in fall 2007, as Nokia's futurewatch website reveals. Like the previous N-Gage, online features will be available. Shouldn't we add this to the handheld section?
:If you mean add a column onto the handheld comparison table, plus lots of other information on it, then, judging by the sales of its previous iteration, no. This article's purpose is to mainly cover the major consoles of the seventh generation, not every one in great detail. Seeing as it's not even released yet (and unsourced, for that matter) I don't think anything more than a brief note in the paragraph above the handheld comparison table would be needed. 
:P.S. Note to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) every time you leave a message in a talk section. Haipa Doragon (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say a note would be enough, then, considering it's somewhat relative success compared to other minor consoles. Make sure to source what you're saying when you edit the article, otherwise it may get reverted, though. Haipa Doragon (talk) 12:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I erased that paragraph before I read this page. Perhaps I was hasty, but it read very much like marketing. Please phrase it in a more neutral, encyclopedic tone. Tehw1k1 16:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to cut it down, as well, and as part of the same paragraph instead of one of its own. It needs to be more like the brief synopses for the existing consoles, not nearly every small detail available. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't we add (Next generation) N-Gage?

message: what happened to not using vgchartz or nextgenwars? someone just replaced some sales statistics and changed the sources to vgchartz. Should we change this back?--Kyle(talk) 23:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VGChartz? 

message: Why are they used? they need to be removed ASAP! They are widely mocked as inaccurate and can't even use NPD numbers for america anymore.. Most are just guesses. They need to be removed and a more reliable and respect source used. There was nothing wrong with the old sources.
:I don't know if you noticed, but the discussion directly above this one is about this exact same thing.(oh, and make sure to sign posts using four ~~~~)--Kyle(talk) 00:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VGCHARTZ!!!!!!!! 

message: Information floating around the Internet is flooded with rumors and speculation about the eventual eighth generation.  For ideas, would it be worth while to set up a place to get the real information, and forcasts about the future systems and games.  This can be the bridge for the times they are released.Gopherwood 13:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 13:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eighth generation 

message: Is it possible to hook an Xbox 360 to a regular TV, because I've heard people say you need an AV cord or something like that.--Kondrayus 16:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, you can hook an xbox up to any tv with Audio/Video inputs. These can be HD (when you have green, red and blue cables for video and white and red cables for audio) or they can be standard definition (just red and white for audio and one yellow cable for video). THe Xbox comes with an A/V cable that has all of the necessary connections. --Kyle(talk) 23:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks.--Kondrayus 14:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox 360-HD 

message: Microsoft has recently stated that instead of 500 MHz, the Xbox 360 will now have 526 MHz. I think someone should add this to the article, and if not I will.--Kondrayus 23:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xbox 360 GPU

message: When I look at the references I see some sites I've never heard of, and I want to ask which sites are considered accepted. To me, it starts with any of Sony/MS/Nintendo's press releases or financial statements, Gamespot and IGN. Others are up for debate. Tehw1k1 04:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe NPD is also considered acceptable, while vgchartz.com and nexgenwars.com are not.  Useight 04:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. I should have specified more about which specific references I have doubts about, rather than recount the good ones. Unfortunately the edit page is glitching out on me so I guess I'll have to do it later. Tehw1k1 07:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These two jump out at me as questionable, especially since they both cite different numbers for PS3 sales. http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-54730.aspx |title=Updated: Worldwide PS3 Sales @ 0 http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/26-07-2007-6094.html |title=Worldwide PS3 sales only 0 Tehw1k1 20:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which websites should be considered acceptable as sources of sales numbers? 

message: Exukvera, you are putting in a link to a wikipedia page as a reference: "cite web |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3". References are supposed to be from sources outside of Wikipedia, not Wikipedia itself. (Not to mention that "article" is spelled "artical" in your most recent edit.) All the numbers I fixed in the article are THE ACTUAL NUMBERS WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH ON THE CITED SOURCES. WHY ARE YOU REPLACING THEM WITH OTHER NUMBERS? I invite anyone interested to look them up. If you are going to replace the numbers, find a good source for them. And Animal91X, please do not accuse me of fanboyism after I've edited the article so that the numbers reflect what's ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE CITED SOURCES. The reference that you edited back in "http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_US_PS3_Sales_Surpass_Xbox_360_Sales_But_Nintendo_Wins_07211.html" cites Vgchartz as its source, and VGChartz is not accepted, so why should a news article that cites its info be allowed?
Also, I sincerely believe that the way I've formatted it with the dates on the bottom is easier to read, but feel free to disagree. There are some other beneficial things about your edits that I need to take a closer look at, specifically cleaning up the outdated  refs and so forth. Tehw1k1 19:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales numbers edits 

message: The worldwide sales figures for the Xbox 360 have been "N/A" for a while now, but I think it should actually say "unknown" or "undetermined" because "N/A" seems to imply that Microsoft is shipping consoles but not selling them.  Not that they are trying to sell them, but have sold zero, but "N/A" just seems like the 360s aren't being made to be sold, just to be shipped.  I tried to word that as clearly as possible, but I don't know if that makes sense to the other editors out there.  My point is, I think we should change "N/A" to "Undetermined".  Any thoughts on the matter?  Useight 23:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't quite see what you mean that n/a makes it seem like 360's aren't being sold. Since N/A means not available(correct me if i'm wrong) it just is saying that the info is not available which it is. Undetermined and unknown seem to sound the same to me so if you want to entertain your own brain, go ahead and change it. It doesn't make much difference to me.--Kyle(talk) 02:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I always thought that N/A meant Not Applicable, but I could be wrong.  That's why it sounded to me like it wasn't being sold.  Not Available makes sense in the table.  Useight 17:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The abbreviation can mean both, but I'll edit it to say the full phrase, just for clarity. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Not Available" in the table seems a lot better.  To me, anyway.  Useight 14:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: N/A?