Talk:Tsagaan Sar

message: I guess I am making a fool of myself with this question, but do people really drink airag on Tsagaan Sar? I used to think that airag is first of all a summer thing. Yaan (talk) 16:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your question is right. Yes, they do, they freeze and store it till Tsagaan Sar. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airag? 

message: Bituun is the name of the lunar phase, not the name of 'eating to full' as many uneducated people think. The lunar phases are Bituun (dark moon), Shined (new crescent moon), Tergel (full moon), and Huuchid (waxing moon). The verb for the ceremony is "bituuleh", not "bituureh" which sounds like to "eat to death".  If some people are calling it "bituureh", and comment that "they must eat to the full", this is result of their ignorance. Many people go to hospital during those days in the result of "eating to the full". The wrong, hungry interpretation of this astronomical phenomenon may have penetrated some literature and websites.  The actual ceremony involves cleaning around home thoroughly, herders also clean the livestock barns and shades, putting 3 pieces of ice at the doorway so that the horse of the deity Palden Lhamo could drink as she visits every household on this day and burning candles to symbolise enlightenment of the samsara and all sentient beings. In the evening they eat the normal way as on any other holiday, the best and tastiest, but not necessarily "to the full".  Gantuya eng (talk) 03:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dark moon|Bituun]] 

message: :Those website links I delete are politely speaking diletant. They fit to be a non-professional tourist impression only. And they seem to have been copied to several other diletant websites.
:One of these sites is written by a person who completely doesn't know the meaning of the word "Bituun" and interpretes it as "last dinner". When people far from astronomy try to describe such an important event, it becomes really "tulga toirson setgelgee" (thinking which doesn't get far from the kitchen). 
:The other site tries to connect Bituun with the sky ibn the following manner:
:"The Tsagaan Sar eve or the last day of winter is called "Bituun", which means "full darkness". It is a single night when no moon is visible in the sky. On this day people eat to be really full. It is believed that if you stay hungry, you will be hungry all the coming year around." 
:So what does it mean by "single night". Single for the month or single for the year? This indicates that the writer does not understand what he/she is talking about. And again he/she is so hungry that strives to "eat to be really full" and immediate medical attention is required. This reduces one of the most important Buddhist events related to the science of Astromomy and celebrated throughout the Buddhist world to something primitive. In Buddhism, greediness is one of the basic types of Nisvanis while the passion to eat "to the full" IS greediness. That's why swine is depicted in the centre of the Wheel of Samsara to represent one of the three roots of nisvanis. Gantuya eng (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to remove those links again. Wikipedia is not for promotion of commercial websites. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to link to external pages at all, whether they are scarce or not. And those two examples clearly fall under Links normally to be avoided points 1 and 13. --Latebird (talk) 07:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diletant sources 

message: Hi, some sources I find claim the 2012 date to be around January 24. What's the most authoritative reference? --Latebird (talk) 07:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 Date 

message: I have found sources for:
* Амар байн уу? = Amar bain uu? --> ~102,000 but ~86,500 <-- цагаан сар Амар...
* Амар байна уу? = Amar baina uu? --> ~1,310,000 but ~230,000 <-- цагаан сар Амар...
* Амар сайн уу? = Amar sain uu? --> ~1,060,000 but ~303,000 <-- цагаан сар Амар...
* Амар сайн байна уу? = Amar sain baina uu? --> ~693,000 but ~301,000 цагаан сар Амар...
* Амар мэнд уу? = Amar mend uu? --> ~1,290,000 but ~237,000 <-- цагаан сар Амар...
* Амар мэнд байна уу? = Amar mend baina uu? --> ~1,270,000 but ~148,000 <-- цагаан сар Амар...
Now, except for a single page, Амар Сайн уу? Мэнд ээ. Амар Сайн уу? - Mayich's in Mongolia, which does not have much Mongolian in it, the phrase "Амар байна уу?" seems to be ubiquitous (omnipresent or present on every page).
Unfortunately the Internet relationship between English and Mongolian has a paucity incommensurate with the size of Mongolia (this is wack; we got dead dialects and dialects with a range a few kilometres wide but Mongolia's one of the biggest nations on Earth and we got squat). The most common phrase across these pages, Амар байна уу?, is shown on Амар байна уу? (Are you rested/peaceful?), the page in English that is most clearly written.
Following the results from these WP:Search engine tests and many others, i think the best thing to do is WP:Be bold and edit the article.
Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 06:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The most common greeting is Amar baina uu? (Амар байна уу?), to my belief.
As long as known to me Amar sain uu? (Амар сайн уу?) is returned by an older person to a younger person who first greets with Amar baina uu? (Амар байна уу?).
However, it is not for sure that nowadays these rules are strictly followed.
"Are you rested/peaceful" seem to be distorted meanings due to literal translation. If a literal translation is to be used for a cognitive purpose, then perhaps "Are you staying in peace?" would be better. Semantically it probably includes "Are you well, healthy, happy, in wellbeing, in peace of mind, without any reason to worry?"
A literal translation of Амар сайн уу? would probably be "Are you well and in peace?". Gantuya eng (talk) 13:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which greeting should we use? 

message: There's no way ALL those ethic groups celebrate Tsagaan Sar, seeing as many of them aren't even Mongolic or were ever subject to Mongol hegemony or influence. Citations needed. The Verified Cactus 100% 01:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic groups 

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