Talk:Crane School of Music

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message: Crane School of Music should be merged into the article State University of New York at Potsdam as the "Crane School," represents an academic department of the college. --starX (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree completely. It has enough of its own identity and history. Plus, see these other music schools which are part of larger institutions but have their own separate articles: Eastman School of Music, University of Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music, Jacobs School of Music, Oberlin Conservatory of Music, Peabody Institute... I'm sure there are others. --Jondude11 (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are certainly free to disagree, but my merger proposal stands. I would argue that those other institutions should be merged as well. Also, just because you disagree with my proposed merger doesn't invalidate my reasons, so I would appreciate it if you would not remove the proposal. The point is, after all, to discuss and arrive at a consensus, is it not? --starX (talk) 20:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are right, I apologize for removing the proposal. I suppose all we can do is wait to see other people's opinions on this matter. --Jondude11 (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of SUNY Potsdam and the Crane School of Music being merged in cyber-space seems silly to me since they are so separate in real life. I attended SUNY Potsdam and rarely had any interaction with Crane's facilities, staff, or students. The two schools share a campus, but I do not consider them to be the same school. I think that should be reflected by also keeping them separate on-line. -luvbunny13 5 Feb 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.167.126 (talk) 19:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When you attended may be an issue, as could be your major area of study. There has been increasing collaboration between music department faculty and students in more recent years, particularly in the theatre and dance departments (which is perhaps more conducive to that sort of collaboration than any others. Specifically, I can cite the 1998 performance of Lines of an Unkown Poet, the 2003 performance of Cabaret, and the 2005 performance of Threepenny Opera as the more major collaborations on the theatre side. There have been numerous other joint works in the dance department, which I'm afraid was always a little bit more ephemeral to me, but I remember one piece specifically: The 13th Mourner</I>, which was an original composition and performed (musically) by student sin the music department, and choreographed and performed (physically) by students in the dance department. The chairs of these departments would concur that they have been working to bridge this gap for a long time and are getting closer every day. --starX (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with most of what you say, StarX, especially that the two schools are trying to tie together more lately. I am in Crane and I personally have several non-Crane friends and I still consider them to be part of the same school. However, by the history and nature of the school, I think it is appropriate to have separate articles on the two of them, just as there are separate articles for most other music schools in the country. -Jondude11 (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Crane Logo.jpg