Talk:Ramil Safarov

message: Despite the 1994 cease-fire, soldiers, officers, and civilians continue to die due to the constant low-intensity war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over NK and other occupied regions. Every year dozens of people die in sniper fire and mines on the Line Contact, by now their numbers being at least one thousand. So why should Ramil Safarov have a page in Wikipeda -- he is just one of the victims, who has killed himself and saw killings all around himself coming from a refugee family -- and not Armenian Army Lt-Colonel Pargev Abrahamyan, who also used an axe, but to kill his wife, not enemy combatant?
The story of Ramil Safarov is somewhat complicated, as, like many other refugees, being another victim of the Karabakh occupation by Armenia -- which made hundreds of thousands of people poor and desperate, and turned some of them, like Safarov, to desperate measures, multiplied due to post-war stress and experience as a refugee child. Today’s condition of Ramil’s birthplace, the region of Jebrail in south-western Azerbaijan, near Karabakh region: the village was destroyed by Armenians, several relatives of Ramil who were killed by Armenians, and the region still under Armenian occupation.
The President and government of Azerbaijan have condemned such actions and expressed condolences to the family of Lt. Markarian. Meanwhile, both individuals were military men, able bodied, strong, young yet inexperienced, with hot-heads. Same cannot be said about a senior Armenian army representative, Lt-Colonel Pargev Abrahamyan, who killed his sleeping wife with an axe.
By Gayane Abrahamyan ArmeniaNow reporter
Published in: “ArmeniaNow” (http://www.armenianow.com), 11 April 2006 (Official translation)
Two Years Of Imprisonment For A Murderer
Contributed by Eduard Grigoryan, Women's Rights Center
The Malatia-Sebastia community Court of the first instance (judge – Tigran Petrosyan) sentenced Lieutenant-Colonel Pargev Abrahamyan, officer of the Headquarters of the RA Defense Ministry, to two years of imprisonment for killing his wife, Marine Maloyan, with an axe. Successors of the victim intend to file an appeal against this verdict of the court.
(from: http://www.stopvaw.org/Domestic_Violence4.html)
:Placed the BBC source for the citation tag. 
::Removed the Geocities link and the Sumgait.info which are both extreme Armenian nationalist webpages. --adil 00:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just a host. It's not the source.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 00:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: same can be said of any POV website. Armenian sources are not acceptable, no way to POV. --adil 07:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I reverted some unsourced text added by an IP. discuss first pls. Andranikpasha (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: As it is obvious this article is related to both Azeri’s and armenians and references supporting either of them are not reliable. The references part merely includes links to pages supporting armenian ideas plus a link pointing to BBC, which concerns the condolences to the family of Gurgen Markaryan. This makes the article look biased towards armenians.Amir.azeri (talk) 19:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: At present, Ramil Safarov is a convict.  He needs to be listed as such.  The sections of Hungarian criminal code he was held to have violated need to be listed as well as the legal rulings.  All this is absent in the present presentation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.86.47.131 (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conviction 

message: The restored photo, as indicated in the file description, is not the actual axe used in the murder. Putting an ordinary, unrelated axe does not confer any encyclopedical value. Brandmeistertalk   17:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no specification of the axe used by Safarov. During the trial Safarov described it as "The handle of the axe was around 1 meter long and the iron part was red, color of the light tree." Carpenter's axe, which is pictured on the photo, is the most common type of axe. --Yerevanci (talk) 18:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The axe on the image does not even look similar to what Safarov described. So it's better to remove, especially given that there is no specification of the axe used. Brandmeistertalk   18:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

text: The one actually used in the murder is almost twice as long, more an axe than a hatchet. Why are we so insistent on belittling the intelligence of the reader here? There's a Wikilink for the axe so they can just click on it just in case they don't know what one looks like.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not about showing the reader how an axe looks like. Putting up a picture of the instrument of murder is a common on Wikipedia. Plus, there is no image in this article and a photo of it wouldn't harm.--Yerevanci (talk) 22:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axe photo 

message: This official reaction might be useful http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-foreign-affairs/news/press-release  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.221.149.121 (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, just added to the article.
The press release is archived here - This is the Hungarian version, which is archived here WhisperToMe (talk) 22:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian Government reaction 

message: Let me know what kind of facts are needed to prove that the motive of this murder was Ethnic hatred?--Yerevanci (talk) 22:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A conviction that states that it was racially aggravated murder. Anything else is supposition. It might be well founded supposition, but we do not post our assumptions as facts. Kevin McE (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you kidding me? He was convicted in a murder and sentenced to life in prison. Also, Safarov confessed that he killed Margaryan because of his ethnicity.--Yerevanci (talk) 22:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: More exactly: he said he killed the Armenian because Margaryan "mocked him and desecrated his country's (Azerbaijan) symbols." --Norden1990 (talk) 23:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That was asserted in court and never proven. Balázs Kuti, Margaryan's roommate, said that Margaryan and Safarov, and generally the rest of the officers, had never had any conflict. Safarov also told the police that he was revengeful against the entire Armenian nation. I think his actions speak for themselves. Chaojoker (talk) 23:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive of the murder  

message: I would suggest refraining from the word "hero" - in this case it is a personal impression of the news authors and the presence of that word in the article is non-neutral, making it look like an essay. Also the word is in the Words to watch area. Brandmeistertalk   01:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree if the context was that the article stated him to be a hero, or stated that he was officially designated as a hero. However, the article states that "he was greeted as a national hero", and "is considered by many in Azerbaijan to be a hero", both of which are confirmed by multiple neutral sources as mentioned in the article. Taking those away without reliable sources to prove their inaccuracy leaves the impression of trying to subdue the reality of the occurances. Chaojoker (talk) 03:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hero 

message: budapest.sumgait.info is a pro-Armenian website. Should not be seen as a reliable source. Esc2003 (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's against Wikipedia rules to discriminate against websites because their Armenian or Azerbaijani. If you have specific reason to belive it's not reliable, lets discuss it. George Spurlin (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't need to be told. Please examine. Esc2003 (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Where is the original source of this information? If the original source is unknown. this information can not count correctly. Esc2003 (talk) 14:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: budapest.sumgait.info is used to provide the full text of the murdrer's interrogation. Nothing is intepreted in there. Chaojoker (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

text: How can a translation of protocol be pro- or con-? --Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I said a simple thing: The original source? Esc2003 (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure the original is Hungarian. What do you have against the host? Again you can't discriminate against a website because its Armenian, Azerbaijani or Chinese. George Spurlin (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Can we add the opinion of the Archbishop of Esztergom? I know it is not an official statement from the government but he is the head of the Hungarian Catholic Church. --Norden1990 (talk) 17:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be added under the Reactions -> Hungary section. I don't think it has to be only from a government source. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 19:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Two more sources of use for someone to add: the OSCE's (as well as Russia's) reaction and condemnation of Azerbaijan:  and inter alia the payment of eight years' worth of backpay to Safarov by the Azerbaijan government .--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

text: An idea to consider: In Russian wikipedia they created a separate section called "Other countries and organizations" and placed Archbishop's response in it, which may also make sense. Currenlty there are some responses from political and or religious organizations, which don't perfectly suite under state responses. --Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great! I'll add a section Non-government organizations which will include all statements by non-official sources. --Yerevanci (talk) 20:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Minsk group or CSTO can't be considered "Non-government" or "non-official". Plus there are cases, like post in Twitter from MFA of Sweden, which is not exactly "official", but still noteworthy. --Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check the article. I think it looks good.--Yerevanci (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Péter Erdő

message: Extradited *is* the more common term used in this case based on a Google search 13.900 for Safarov repatriation, 14.000 for Safarov repatriated, 167.000 for Safarov extradition and 167.000 for Safarov extradited.
Even though the Google results prove the same thing, they need not be taken into account as in an official statement by Hungary's Ministry of Public Administration and Justice it was stated that Safarov was extradited. Chaojoker (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extradition vs repatriation 

message: Since there's a veritable edit war going on at this page with a handfull of people involved, I have now fully protected the article for one week per WP:BLP. That should give you time to discuss pending changes and controversial parts in the article. De728631 (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for reacting promptly. Chaojoker (talk) 19:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: but that's not the only thing he did in prison. According to this he also attacked a prison guard and for this he got a 2 1/2 years in a separate trial. There is also a bit of information here, a condemnation of Azerbaijan's decision from both the Council of Europe and the President of the European Parliament.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.221.149.121 (talk) 19:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translated several novels 

message: Please change the link at the end of the section ==Budapest murder and trial== (section 2) from Azeri to Azeri. This will bypass a redirect.
Hgrosser (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yunshui 雲‍水 09:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 5 September 2012 

message: Could you please add the official statement of France to the article under Ramil_Safarov#Other_countries_and_international_organizations? 
I think it should be placed between Russia and Sweden.
*: Foreign Ministry said that "France expresses her concern following the announcement of the pardon granted to Safarov by the Azerbaijani authorities". As one of the Minsk Group countries, France is "strongly committed to a peaceful solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, believes that this decision risks seriously damaging the negotiation efforts and the establishment of a climate of trust between the parties."
Second request is to replace "A demonstration is planned in Budapest's Kossuth Square on September 4. More than 2 thousand people have joined the event on Facebook.[59]"  with "On September 4 a demonstration took place in front of the Hungarian Parliament Building in Kossuth Square. It was reported that about two thousand Hungarians protested against their government actions."
Thanks.--Երևանցի talk  15:37, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 edit requests  

message: Extradition of Ramil Safarov. I'm not sure if a separate page is needed for the extradition at this moment and it doesn't seem to me appropriate that a new article has cropped up which can be edited, while this one can't. Perhaps a merge is in order.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 06:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed that as well. I support the merger, there is really no need for another article. George Spurlin (talk) 07:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merging too. I've put a merge tag there. Brandmeistertalk   17:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Extradition article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extradition of Ramil Safarov. De728631 (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

text: — Note to closing admin: Konullu (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Daniel (talk) 00:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible fork 

message: This article: The person (Azeri) has killed one Armenian. Motive: "Ethnic hatred" (Massacres of  Azerbaijanis by Armenians.)
Article Gourgen Yanikian: The person (Armenian) has killed two Turks. Motive: "Revenge". (Massacres of Ottoman Armenians.)
Both persons have killed for "revenge" of massacres against their people or both have killed for "ethnic hatred". Why do we have motive "revenge" in one article and "ethnic hatred" in the other? Do we have double standards in Wikipedia? I request serious comments, please... --E4024 (talk) 15:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Should I copy my reply from Yanikyan page? Are you going to spam anymore articles? George Spurlin (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am asking the WP community. (And not spamming anything. I only wish to have an objective WP.) --E4024 (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

text: It is true. Unfortunately, there is a double standarts in English Wikipedia. If killer is Armenian, he is hero. If killer is Turkish or Azeri, he is terrorist. I'm trying to fix it but some users prevent me.--Reality 14:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It proves double standards.--Reality 17:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree with you on Gourgen Yanikiyan. But not for Safarov. Because only source of "ethnic hatred" budapest.sumgait.info. This is a doubtful situation. You can try to talk about Varoujan Garabedian(received a life sentence. after gets pardoned. welcomed like a hero with ceremony. given apartment). --Esc2003 (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am talking about all "ians" or "ovs" or whomever. WP has to have one standard for all these cases: Look at the violence not the violent... --E4024 (talk) 17:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive: Double standards? 

message: Read the section "Legacy" in Article Gourgen Yanikian. As long as there are people who make heros out of assassins, there will be more and more assassins. Here in WP we should treat all the assassins with the same approach. (See above talk.) --E4024 (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:SOAP. George Spurlin (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killers made heros 

message: Please add at the Armenian diaspora section the movilizations that the Armenian community in Argentina effected at the Hungary embassy at Buenos Aires, Argentina. --Liepaja1941 (talk) 22:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Telam presents Safarov as Hungarian. It does not look very much like an RS really. --E4024 (talk) 22:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

text: That was a Télem error. Here is another link about the protest in Buenos Aires: http://noticias.terra.com.ar/internacionales/protesta-armenia-en-buenos-aires-frente-a-embajada-hungara,40a70d8ad7b99310VgnVCM5000009ccceb0aRCRD.html (in Spanish).--Liepaja1941 (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They (Terra) only quote the Télam text and I can't find any reliable sources that cover these protests. Please try to find betters news coverage. De728631 (talk) 11:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

text:  Another sourse (Reporter): http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2012-08-31-outrage-as-hungary-releases-azeri-axe-murderer--Liepaja1941 (talk) 16:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That link seems to be broken. All I get is a large table full of markup code and web templates from their site. De728631 (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2012-08-31-outrage-as-hungary-releases-azeri-axe-murderer <<<this one works--Երևանցի talk  17:22, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks Yerevanci for the link correction. Muchas gracias. --Liepaja1941 (talk) 01:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian diaspora  

message: Extradition and pardon section needs to provide link to the main article:
Konullu (talk) 06:45, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure where the deletion discussion for this one is heading but I've still added the link. De728631 (talk) 17:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extradition and pardon section 

message: I think everyone would be well advised to consult this article published by RFE/RL, which analyzes the many twists and turns Safarov's motives took in the Azerbaijani narrative from almost the day of the murder until today. The "insult" meme, as the author shows, has seen itself morph from Margaryan and/or the other Armenian officer doing any one of the following things: urinating on the Azerbaijani flag, using it to clean and wipe their shoes, making insulting remarks against the flag, and playing an audio recording of "voices of suffering Azerbaijani women and girls." It should be noted that none of these claims were or ever have been substantiated by witnesses. This information should somehow be incorporated into this page, I think. Mention might also be made of the variety of stories we hear about Safarov's earlier years and we should try to note the more outstanding discrepancies that pertain to the war years and the number of relatives he purportedly lost during that period.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The shifting, twisting narrative of Safarov's motives 

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Please cause the template to be removed, since the present activity on this article is not in accord with the guide for the use of template.See:  Template:Current#Guidelines.--Yellowdesk (talk) 01:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for the "current" template to be removed. 

message: The full protection of the article has now been changed to semi-protected. To avoid recurring nationisticl and NPOV edit wars, I am imposing the following sanction on this article for a period of six months, ending on 11 March 2013:
The sanction disclaimer will also be visible in the edit window. De728631 (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discretionary sanctions 

message: As this image might be deleted from Commons (likely a copyviolating derivative), I would recommend you to file it for fair-use in this article. --Túrelio (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the image. The juxtaposition with the flag is inappropriate, in my opnion. And I think the use here falls outside our non-free content criteria, with the photo being one of a living subject. wctaiwan (talk) 14:47, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. We can't use a non-free image where the person is still alive. De728631 (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:File:Ramil safarov.jpg]]

message: Hi, I noticed that this talk page is getting bigger and bigger and some of the information from this talk page could safely be archived by now.
For e.g., some sections of this talk page had no comments for years: Notability and References. Some of the topics are no relevant any longer: Axe photo (an image of a typical axe is no longer needed as a link to the actual murder weapon is now provided), Possible fork (the forked article was already merged into this article due to another discussion), Extradition and pardon section (Extradition and pardon of Ramil Safarov article has now been removed). There were also some minor requests when the article was under the full protection. They were implemented without a discussion and are no longer relevant as this article is not fully protected any more: Edit request on 5 September 2012 and 2 edit requests.
So I suggest to move these sections to the archive. My question is: do you prefer an automated archive to be set-up, which will archive any inactive section where the last comment was made more than 90 days ago, or would you prefer a manual archive which would allow archiving of both inactive and obsolete discussions? --Daniel (talk) 12:10, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving of the talk page 

message: I suggest removing the information citing / referring sumgait.info (they are a lot) based on proof that it provides one-sided information, because it is owned by Armenian guy based in Yerevan. Here is a proof I would suggest to ban this link to be referred in Wikipedia, because this source doesn't meet requirements of Wikipedia for any purpose. Please also see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_131#sumgait.info_in_Ramil_Safarov_and_related_articles. Best, Konullu (talk) 19:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumgait.info 

message: Reference no 5 at the moment (Washington Post news) is a dead link. Could someone kindly repair it please? On the other hand, I believe "Sumgait.info" (see above) is not a reliable source; we should not use it. --E4024 (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now replaced the Washington Post link. Please note also that the page is no longer edit-protected, so feel free to replace the Sumgait.info reference with something reliable. With all the media attention this case got back in 2004 and recently during Safarov's release, there should be plenty of available sources. De728631 (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

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thread_title:  Malware Link Removal 

message: I'm not trying to whitewash what he did but the lead section in most articles are supposed to begin with the general and then progress to the specific. In fact, I think I was the one who wrote the first two lines of this article many months ago, until I recently realized it's a bit too detailed for a lead sentence. What Safarov did was gruesome, but the reader is first going to want to know who Safarov is before continuing on to read about his crime and how he went about committing it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you just "realized" it. better late than never. but you realize that first-degree murder is too broad, right? and hopefully you realize that the axing part is the main reason why this case got so much attention. whitewashing is exactly what you are doing. with the same logic you can remove the mentions of him being welcomed as a hero, because its too specific and the reader "doesn't want to read" about it. --Երևանցի talk  17:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This case got so much attention, because an Azerbaijani officer murdered an Armenian one, and these two nations hate each other, deadly. Axe was only a tool which used by Safaroy, but he could easily have used a knife, gun, baseball bat or something else. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: no need to remind that these two nations "hate each other", because that'ts not my point. the axe part IS very, very, very important, because that's what shocked the people the most and not the killing per se. just go through the articles of major newspapers      . if not in their headlines, they mention the axing in the first sentences. need I say more? this makes me wonder why Marshall started his sentence "I'm not trying to whitewash", because that is exactly what he's doing. and you don't seem to differ. --Երևանցի talk  18:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current lead is neutral and limited to the facts. Yes, the axe as lethal weapon is also important information, however this case is under the spotlight, because Armenia and Azerbaijan had lot of conflicts and wars with each other. Nationalist sentiment heats both sides. The previous version contained Armenian POV. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have to be kidding. Not mentioning the circumstances of the murder is POV. How many times do I need to repeat that the axing in sleep is what made the murder so shocking and not the killing itself.
See WP:NPOV. It clearly states five principles 
*Avoid stating opinions as facts. 
*Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts.
*Avoid stating facts as opinions. 
*Prefer nonjudgmental language. 
*Indicate the relative prominence of opposing views.
I'd like to ask you now. How is mentioning the circumstances of the murder (which are facts) Armenian POV?  --Երևանցի talk  22:39, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

text: The previous lead sentence was hardly tilted toward any particular POV. The most important aspect of this case has always been that a military officer from a country from an unresolved conflict, brought up in a vengeful environment where scorn is widely poured upon Armenians, snuck into the room and murder a fellow participant because he happened to be from a certain ethnic background. The weapon he used is also significant but that should go into the following sentence or perhaps even better second paragraph and not clutter the lead sentence. And a POV tag for the entire article simply because you disagree with the lead sentence? Well that's obviously not what the POV tag is for.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 06:18, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see response to any of the questions raised. I already stated why the axing should be in the lead. Come back with better arguments.  --Երևանցի talk  17:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead rewrite

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article should be completely revisited. 
Information in the article should be neutral.  
Moreover, not considering most important part of whole story - why case become a sensation and how effected whole story afterwards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrvagl (talk • contribs) 00:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Killing an Armenian is bad" = Azerophobia. Says everything Adalalada (talk) 06:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azeriphobia 

message: I cleaned up the article from unreliable Armenian Revolutionary Federation and Armenian National Committee of America owned sources. Please refrain from adding sources like Asbarez, ArmenianWeekly. Thanks! Aredoros87 (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: None of those sources are considered unreliable by Wikipedia, and since the BLP noticeboard discussion didn't generate any discussion, I'm going to restore those sources. --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RSP is a list of sources that have been discussed many times at the reliable sources noticeboard. It is not a list of all reliable or unreliable sources, so a source not being on the list makes no comment on its reliablity. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up from unreliable sources