Talk:Lurs

message: -I added Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari Province as it has a large population of Bakhtiari Lors. --DFront21 02:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: I removed this image, since there are concerns expressed about whether they are Lurs. Such as Darius I of Persia or Karim Khan. Please verify/modify.Mukadderat (talk) 22:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please add a source about Luri being a form of Parsig? Perhaps even an Iranian one as opposed to an English one. It would be a good detail to add. Shreksdonkeyfromchina (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Lurs 

message: baba taher
karimkhane zand
mir norouz
sardar asad bakhtiari
abolfathkhan bakhtiari
alimorad khan bakhtiary
bibi maryam bakhtiary
key lohrasb  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madaktoboye (talk • contribs) 10:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  famous guyes  

message: Man, 
I am giving hours and hours to correct the false information that from beginning it started wrongly, each time I am trying to correct the article. It again returning to beginning. Okay,I am giving up. 
But please, do not cite references/resources from Turks nor from Persian, cause they distorting the real purpose.
Good Day.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bavê Şêrko (talk • contribs) 14:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to edit. But the problem is that your sources do not match with your edits. Your references must match with your edits, Because you refer to them and they will be examined and reviewed by the other editors. Sources must be reliable. Altering sourced content and replacing them with false/wrong ones is not constructive edit but exactly disruptive edit. Also do no write offensive comments (like your above comment) about other ethnic groups. Winter Gaze (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am tired of correcting your text under: Lurs 

message: Dear Sir,
Several times I tried to correct the article under title 'Lurs' in the Wiki English page. But each time I correct the false information at article; they've been deleted by a Wiki's author called Winter Gaze.
Sir,
I am against racism but it seems your author called Winter Gaze smells like a racist. Today we may call Lurs just as Lurs. No need to force them feel as Kurds nor Persian. Lurs are just Lurs. But we can not deny their historical ties with Kurds. As given information below there are many ties and connections between Lurs and Kurds. Nonetheless, Paul Ludwig writes that linguistics does not provide a definition for when a language becomes a dialect, and thus, non-linguistic factors contribute to the ethnic unity of some of namely the Lur, Kurmanj, Kalhur, and Guran.
Today there are two main dialects spoken by Lurs in Loristan. First is Luri and Second is Laki. Laki dialect is very lose to Kurdish and is spoken nearly by half of Lurs. They no not deny their ties with Kurds. Genetical researches done on Lurs show that they are closer to Kurds.
Sir,
If you make a researh on the internet you will find a lot of information regarding Lurs and their connection and ties with the Kurds. Here I will give you some samples for this. I would like to start from Wiki resources:
In Wiki Turkish page it says that they are a Kurdish branch:
'Lurlar (Farsça: لر Lor), Batı İran'da Luristan, Huzistan, Hamedan, Çaharmahal ve Bahtiyari, İsfahan ve İlam eyaletlerinde yaşayan Kürt halkının kollarından biridir.'
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lur
In Wiki Kurdish page it says that the Lurs divided apart from Kurds and lately become known as Lurs and their Language mixed a lot with Persian Language.
'Lor anku Lur, îro navê gelekî li navbera Fars û Kurdistanê ye. Şerefxan Bedlîsî gelê Lor li ser Kurdan dijmerê, Kurdolog Izady wî yekî qenat tînê, li gorî wî Lor di sedsala 16 de ji kurdan qetîyanê û bûnê gelekî serbixwe. Lêbelê zimanê Lurî wê demê weke zaravêyekî Farsî tê dîtîn. Lûr jî bi piranî xwe gelekî serbixwe dibînin, lêbelê Lure ku xwe li Kurda an jî Farsa dijmerin jî hene. Gelek çavkaniyan dibêje aslê Lor diçe Kurdan.'
http://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lur
A 16th century of Kurdish historan in his histroical Book Sharafnama gives information on Lurs and stresses they are Kurdish origin. He states that there are one of four division of Kurds: Kurmanj, Lur,Kalhur and Guran, each of which speak a different dialect or language variation.
Wiki:
'The Sharafnama divides its history into four parts. The first one deals with the five Kurdish dynasties that have enjoyed status as royalty (Saltant): the Marwanids of Amed, the Hasanwayhids ofDinavar and Sharizur, the Fadluyids of the Great Lur, the princes of little Lur, and finally, Saladin the Great and the Ayyubids.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_Khan_Bidlisi
Wiki English page in article under Lak people (Iran) says:
The Laks are an Iranian group in southwestern Iran. They speak Laki (or Leki), a Northwestern Iranian language, that is usually grouped with Southern Kurdish dialects.[1][2][3][4] It is important to note that many Laki-speaking communities identify as Kurds and many scholars continue to classify Laks as ethnic Kurds.
Many scholars as well as Laks themselves consider Laks as ethnically Lur.[7] There has been much debate over ethnic identity of the Laks throughout the twentieth century. Zayn al-‘Ābidīn Shīrvānī, the writer of the Persian geographic work Bustān al-siyāha (“The Garden of the travel”) in 19th century introduces the Laks as a Lur tribe. In our own times, the Persian writer Īzadpanāh about laks, the writer of the Lurii-Persian dictionary, emphasizes the Luri identity of the Laks and calls it a misunderstanding to consider the Laks as Kurds.
Vladimir Minorsky, who wrote the entry "Lak" in the first edition of the Encyclopaedia of Islam, referred to the Lak as "the most southern group of Kurd tribes in Persia" and stated that their language has the characteristics of Kurdish.[8] Some of the Lak tribes live in Lorestān Province, among Lur tribes, although Minorsky quotes some evidence that they were brought there from further north. He mentions that they are often confused with the Lur, but are different.[8]
The Bajilan are one of the more prominent Lak tribes. There is a tribe of the same name east of Mosul, but whereas Minorsky believes the Bajilan of Zohab had come from Mosul,[8] the later scholar D.N. MacKenzie believed the Bajalan or Bajwan of Mosul to be an offshoot of the much larger Zohab Bajilan.[9]
In Academic Kids it says:
Ethnologists classify the Lurs as aboriginal Iranians, closely related to the Kurds. As stated above, their language, called Luri, is closely related to Persian, and there are two distinct dialects of this language. Lur-e-Bozourg (Greater Lur), which is spoken by the Bakhtiaris, and Lur-e-Kuchik (Lesser Lur), spoken by the Lurs themselves
http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/Lurestan
In Encyclopedia Britannica it says:
Lur, any member of a mountain Shīʿite Muslim people of western Iran numbering more than two million. The Lurs live mainly in the provinces of Lorestān, Bakhtīārī, and Kohgīlūyeh va Būyer Aḥmad. Their main languages are Luri and Laki. Luri, which has northern and southern variants, is closely related to Persian, while Laki is more nearly related to Kurdish. Still other Lurs speak Bakhtyārī, which is mutually intelligible with Luri. The Lurs are thought to be of aboriginal stock, with strong Iranian, Arabic, and other admixtures.
In Cultural Survival it says:
Most Lurs speak an Iranian dialect known as Luri; however, nearly half the Lurs of Luristan province speak Laki, another Iranian dialect. The Luri dialect is closer to Persian while Laki is closer to Kurdish.
In http://fasa-eeg.blogfa.com it also in http://www.uandmyfuture.blogfa.com/post-2754.aspx says:
LUR TRIBES
They are probably the most intact tribes of Iran, retaining their robustness, virility, and tall stature. They are mostly cultivators and shepherds and occupy the high grounds of Lurestan, south of Kurdestan, and Kermanshah provinces.
The Lursare thought to be a division of the ancient Kurds, both tribes being considered true descendants of the Medes. The Mamasani Lurs dwelling in western mountains of Fars form one of the most important clans.
In Faili Kurds web page it says:
The following ideas will be discussed: 
- There are those who see the Faili as part of the large Kurdish population 
- Those who believe that the Faili is Lur / Lorr with no ethnic ties to the Kurds 
- Faili Kurds is the origin of Kurds, ethnic and linguistic 
- Lurs are not Kurds 
- Kurds are Lur / Lorr
The theories are many. I as Faili Kurd sees us as Lor, and consider the Lor/lur a non-divisible part of the Kurdish people. Historical evidence of how close ties Lurs have to Kurdistan and Kurds are many.
Mr. Erik Jhon Anonby in his article called 'Kurdish or Luri?' says:
Conclusion
This article has attempted to address issues of ethnicity and linguistic affiliation of the peoples commonly called »Laki.« Both topics remain uncertain as concerns Posht-e Kuh Laki, but the status of Pish-e Kuh Laki has been clarified in the present study. While members of the latter group have at times been considered ethnically Kurdish or Laki, they in fact define themselves as Lurs. The genetic affiliation of their language, which has also been the object of contradictory accounts, has been located
within the Northwestern family of Iranian languages. Pish-e Kuh Laki is thus more closely related to Kurdish than to the Luri languages.
At Faylee (Fayli) Kurds page it says:
Who Are Fayli Kurds and where do they live?
Fayli (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) Kurds are, as their name tells, an inseparable segment of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, which is divided among many countries in the Middle East, mainly Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. Fayli Kurds have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak a dialect that belongs to the southern Kurdish dialect called Luri which is spoken in the southern areas of Kurdistan proper, particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran. [1] 
However, all Kurds speaking this dialect are not called Fayli [2]. One can say that Kurds speaking this dialect and living in and around Baghdad as well as some cities and towns in eastern and southern Iraq are called Fayli. There are many and diverse explanations for why these Kurds are called “Fayli”; however there is no plausible, well documented and generally convincing or accepted one. 
Fayli Kurds in Iraq have lived mainly in Baghdad (largely in the Kurdish Quarter (Agdelkrad, a Ghetto) and when they became better off economically they moved to more affluent areas, such as Etefiya, Jamila and Shari’ Falastin) and in lesser numbers in towns and cities near the borders with Iran from as north as south of the historically and demographically Kurdish city of Kirkuk to as far south as north of the southern city of Basra. [3] On the Iranian side of the borders, Fayli Kurds (though not referred to by this name) live in the provinces of Kirmashan and Ilam and southward though not called Fayli Kurds. Since the mass expulsions from Iraq in the seventies and eighties there is a large number of Fayli Kurds in Tehran as well. 
[1] Fayli Kurds are Muslims and the vast majority of them are of the Shiite faith. 
[2] A distinction must be made between Fayli Kurds from Khanaqin, Mandali and surrounding areas that are within or in proximity of the southern end of the Kurdistan Region in Iraq and Fayli Kurds living in Baghdad and other cities and towns in central and southern Iraq inhabited by an Arab majority. The former have suffered from forcible internal displacement whereas the latter have been subjected to forcible deportation to a neighboring country, namely, Iran. 
[3] They live in the cities and towns of Khanaqin, Mendeli (Manali in Kurdish), Saadiya, Shahraban, Kut, Amara, Bedra, Zurbatiya, Jassan, Kumet, Sheikh Saad, Nu’mania, Hei, Rifa’i, Ali al-Sharji and Ali al-Gharbi and other towns in the central and southern parts of Iraq. 
[4] Some Fayli Kurds living in close proximity to Arabs in Iraq dress themselves like Arabs but speak Kurdish and see themselves as Kurds. Among them are the Rewari and Kurdeli. The same phenomenon is observed in Kurdistan Iraq too, especially among Yezidi and Shebak Kurds and Kurds from Sinjar. [5] According to American estimates there are at present 700.000-750.000 Fayli Kurds living in Baghdad (source: personal communication after a recent visit to Baghdad). According to Ayatollah Seyid Hadi Muderrisi there are 3 million Fayli Kurds in Iraq (written statement on the still continuing injustices against Fayli Kurds, Sept 24, 2003). 
http://faylee.org/articles/doc111.htm
Based on above information we can not deny Lurs ties and connection with Kurds. For that, I insist of reediting of Lurs article in Wiki.
Please do not give the right of editing the article of Lurs only and only to the Wiki's editor/author so called Winter Gaze as it will not be fair.
Sincerely Yours,
Bave Sherko
21.01.2012  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.184.231.173 (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you'd be best served by taking your issue to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. fredgandt 20:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is not the correct venue to raise these issues. Please try Talk:Lurs. If, after some days of discussion among the editors there, you do not reach a satisfactory resolution, please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. --Jayron32 20:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would add to the advice of Fred Gandt and Jayron that you should read WP:AGF and WP:NPA. It is not only Winter Gaze who reverts your edits; you are being reverted by several editors. They revert you correctly because you do not cite reliable sources, your sources do not support your content, or you remove sourced content. Note that Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. —teb728 t c 21:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-editing request of Lurs article at Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurs) 

message: "Lurs consider it an insult to be confounded with the Kurds, Luristan and Luri areas are not part of Kurdistan.The Kermanshahi people have no interest in autonomy"  some sentences by Solhjoo. What is this? an encyclopedia or his blog? Why none of admins doesnt stop him?--Meymano (talk) 20:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This much is actually attested to by Clement Huart in his book "Ancient Persia and Ancient Civilisation". It isn't a new thing. Shreksdonkeyfromchina (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by User:Solhjoo 

message: The info bar states Lyrs also adher to Yaresan. What part of Luristan does this occur? From my experience, all Lurs are Shia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.123.133 (talk) 07:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Some are removing Baba Tahir as a Lur. Here is the sample of sources:
* "The relations of these dialects to one another, and to the languages of ancient Persia, have not yet been fully worked out, though excellent monographs on several of them exist, and the quatrains of the celebrated Baba Tahir, "the Lur...," 
* "A little volume containing the quatrains of 'Omar Khayyam, of Baba Tahir the Lur of Hamadan (the most celebrated dialectical poet of Persia)"  
* "Two modern copies of quatrains (in W. Persian dialect) of Baba Tahir 'Uryan " the Lur." 
* "notably of Baba Tahir whose poems in the Lur dialect are highly esteemed"]
* "le Luristan et le poete Baba Tahir Hamadani" -Raayen (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baba tahir 

message: Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.--Gomada (talk) 11:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another falsifying from User:Shadegan. The source says:Fayli (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) Kurds are, as their name tells, an inseparable segment of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, which is divided among many countries in the Middle East, mainly Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. Fayli Kurds have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak a dialect that belongs to the southern Kurdish dialect called Luri which is spoken in the southern areas of Kurdistan proper, particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran. And the user:Shadegan is using this source as a proof of so called Lur identity. Who will stop this vandalism?--Gomada (talk) 11:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and reliability of sources 

message: User:Shadegan Those are only some varieties of Lori, and since there is no Standard Lori, and in my opinion it is only a dialect of farsi, we better don't add that to the article. Many (if not all) varieties of Lori don't add al to make a noun plural.Taddah (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I wonder what is the reason you ae doing such an annoying edits t lead the involved users to edit war???
By a simple search in linguistic websources it is completely evident that Luri in distinct from Persian and it is considered as independent language. Please stop your annoying and baseless edits.--Shadegan
What you say is irrelevant to our dispute. I say what you write is not Luri. It is Laki or maybe Kurdish (as Laki is a dialect of Kurdish). By the way, Luri is merely a dialect of Persian today. Taddah (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

text: ,  I have restored the Persian spelling of their name, since Lurs basically speak Persian and Lurish. Also, both of you guys may be blocked if you keep engaging in edit-warring. Please discuss your disagreement here. Thanks.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 13:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree that Laki is distinct from Luri, as most Laks consider themselves as pure Lurs. The user Taddah based on his personal wishes has tried several times to prove that Luri is a Persian dialect unjustly but he/she has not provided a scientific reliable reason. Several scientific linguistic websources like Ethnologue, and several scientific papers involved in the paper Lurs are inserted. Southern Lurs use the plural suffix "al", or "yal" in their language as Laks do so. This is not  strange issue,for example Kurdish dialects use different plural suffixes and it is not odd at all.SHADEGAN (talk) 13:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

text: I would suggest both of you guys to calm down and discuss in a civil manner together. Please focus on content, not users. Do you have any source supporting your claims ? if yes, please provide them here. Thanks.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   your above link is Encyclopedia Iranica, a good source, and it supports clearly some differences between Laks and Lors. I quote : "From a cultural point of view, the Lak are very close to their neighbors and have sometimes been confused with them, especially with the Lors in their southern and eastern environs. The main ‘ethnic marker’ of the Lak, however, is their language, which is quite different from that of the Lors.  Several European travelers, as well as native observers, have spoken also about the difference in physiognomy of these two ethnic groups." , it seems that  is right. Thoughts ? Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Dear , thank you for your kind attention. Excuse me for my late. As you know there are very dispute about the ethnic identity of West Iranian tribes. A significant part of Laks especially in Lorestan, Ilam and southern parts of Hamadan consider themselves as Pure Lurs as is mentioned by different foreign explorers, in case of Iranica; the biggest Lak tribe is Beyranvand tribe, please take a look to this section of Iranica , also for Hasanvand tribe that is a major Laki speaking tribe it is clearly evident . I do not deny some Lak tribes mainly in Kermanshah consider themselves as Kurds too but the majority consider themselves as Lurs. The modern canadian explorer Erik Anonby verified that Laks in Pishe kooh Luristan (today Lorestan province strongly consider themselves as Lurs ["Those belonging to Pish-e Kuh identify strongly with the Lurs, and those known as Posht-e Kuh show strong cultural ties to both Lurs and Kurds" in (http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/laki-article-typset.pdf)]. There are also good sources mentioned in the paper Lurs, you can have a look there. So based on some sources mainly focused on language characteristics we cannot ignore and deny the identity of people who are the majority of nowaday Lorestan province. My moternal tribe as an example are Laks that believe their Lurish identity is irrefutable! Can someone force them to change their identity? 
Mrs/Mr Taddah insists that because of different plural suffixes used by Luri dialests inside, we should not insert them in introducing  Lurs in their native language!!! In addition to Lurs in Lurestan, there are a significant group of Bakhtiari and Southern Lurs who are lingally distinct. Southern Lurs like Laks and half of Bakhtiaries use the plural suffixes " al", and "gal" [ طاهری، اسفندیار (۱۳۹۳) ساز در لری بویراحمدی معرفه‌های ساخت - پژوهشگاه علوم انسانی و مطالعات فرهنگی، صفحه ۵۷–۷۰, قابل دسترس بصورت آنلاین در: 20160718150537-10064-142.p], I wonder how the user Taddah tries to delete this characteristics repeatedly!?! Best RegardsSHADEGAN (talk) 18:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Since this claim seems to be disputed, it should be worded in a WP:NPOV way. Something like "Some Laks identify as Lurs but others do not" (this is just an example).---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:18, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Wikaviani Take a look at what he has done. I made some changes to the page and wrote my reason. Shadegan reverted my whole edit (instead of just changing the part under dispute) without even writing an edit summary as always. Please just tell me what you think about him and his manner. Taddah (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lurs in Luri

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message: I question the use of the word aboriginal here. It is generally taken to mean first - the first to live in an area. While these people may be related to the 'original' Aryan/Iranian people who settled in this region, so are most other Iranians. Since there certainly were people living in the region before the Lurs, they can't be said to be aboriginal to the area. And if the intent is to say 'aboriginal Aryans,' then the word original would suit better that the extreme aboriginal. 
And yes, I understand that there may be political implications to this term. But its use here is wrong. 
MarkinBoston (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aboriginal 

message: On britannica, which is linked below, it states "Luri, which has northern and southern variants, is closely related to Persian, while Laki is more nearly related to Kurdish." 
One is closer to Persian the other Kurdish. Shouldn't this article be split?--Persian Lad (talk) 22:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are these people really a separate ethnicity? 

message: In pashto language lewara means tall ; and in comparision with the meanings of fars and turk that I personaly found them it concordantly denote one specification of statue.
this is not a quote. Thanks 
194.86.153.173 (talk) 11:36, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of Lur

message: I like to state that There is two opinions about were the lurs come from as most consider them actually the original persians and lot's say that they are persian in the middle east and the only reason they speak a dialect of middle persian is actually because of them wanting to keep original persian traditions and therefore are not their own ethnic group so if your going to make this article it upsets me your not teaching them both sides of the story. 8.25.30.159 (talk) 15:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source? --Semsûrî (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020 

message: I think you are confused with laks as lurs are actually the original persians that's why their culture is mainly per-islamic persian culture which means lurs are  not their own ethnic group and their language is actually a dialect mixed with early and middle persian so that means this page should not exist and even if it does you need to add this as a page about the people who speak it and you may say maybe your a persian who is a ultranationalist but my family are lurs and we consider ourselves original persians and so does the rest of iran and thats why their actually called Persian lores in english as they mean persians backstory PersianAryan7 (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2020 

message: Hey, I've got a few suggestions and potential topics to be added to the Lur page. 
1. Tribal structures (as in, the general way that different Luri tribes organise themselves traditionally)
2. Potential links to an ancient city called Lor (a page for which exists in WikiFa)
3. Usage of more Persian sources. This is important because western sources rarely rely on actual contact with Luri culture and language.
4. Potential links to Luristan Bronzes
Perhaps adding some things from the Persian page might help (slightly edited). Shreksdonkeyfromchina (talk) 19:13, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for this page 

message: This is not lurs wearing, this is qashqai people wearing and the photo must be corrected Irani2024 (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloth and wearing