Talk:Gdańsk/Archive 6

message: See also: 
* Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (disputed place names)
* Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation
:This is merely a proposal, and has no authority. john 23:15, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You are invited to join the discussion. Mestwin of Gdansk 20:57, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: This is simply not true.  I am a native English speaker, and I always heard Danzig as the historical name, and Gdansk as the modern name.  I heard them both enough that I was 20 when I realized that they were referring to the same city, and not two different cities.  -- Walt Pohl 20:42, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: You're telling me that I don't know how we name things in my own language?  Now that's funny. -- Walt Pohl 21:14, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes I do! Maybe you grew up in a ghetto, or maybe you never went to school. To this day instead of " ...I've always heard...", you write "I always heard"!
So, there! You still didn't answer, if "what you always heard" belongs in an encyclopedia! I am an English speaker, myself. From California, pinche mamon! Space Cadet 21:25, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia naming conventions 

message: The encyclopedia is designed not only for researchers, but also for tourists. I think it is essential to tell the reader planning to visit the city that it the polite city name is Gdansk, very polite name is Gdańsk (with diacritics over n) and it is extremely rude and barbarian to call it Danzig. Just be warned. Mestwin of Gdansk 20:53, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ridiculous! What does politeness have to do with a problem of the city name throughout history? I don't think a tourist will go to Wikipedia and read about Teutonic knights or Royal Prussia, but rather buy a guide. I met some very nice German tourists in Gdansk and I told them: "Herzlich wilkommen in Danzig". I din't feel like a traitor. But I certainly wouldn't greet English tourists like that! Space Cadet 21:03, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polite, very polite and rude name of Gdansk 

message: A famous In Your Pocket Guide, written by an international staff and published by a German company for English speakers uses Gdańsk and never Danzig in all references to the city's history and present day.
http://www.inyourpocket.com/poland/en/category?cid=3132
* Bolesław I the Brave is recognised as the first king of Poland in 1025. Merchants from Lubeck arrive in the town of Gdańsk in 1224, bringing with them the Lubeck Law which codifies trade issues. Gdańsk welcomes vessels from England, Sweden and the Walloon Lands, among others, and is noted as a potentially great port. 
* Austria, Prussia and Russia impose the first partition of Poland in 1772-73. As a result Gdańsk loses its trade routes and falls into decline.
* [...]1807-13 by Napoleon. During this time Gdańsk is established as a free city, with French troops stationed there. After Napoleon's defeat and the Congress of Vienna in 1815, Poland is partitioned anew: Gdańsk is given back to Prussia
* After the defeat of Germany in WWI, the partition of Poland collapses. Gdańsk is caught up in a tug of war between Poland and Germany who turn to the League of Nations for assistance'
* In 1939, WWII starts with Nazi Germany's September 1 attack on Poland's military posts at Westerplatte in Gdansk
http://www.sopot.net/history.htm
* Later Sopot becomes tourist attraction for its big neighbor Gdansk
* On 8 October 1901 Sopot was promoted to town status by Prussian government in Berlin. After the conference at Versailles (1918) Sopot, which many foreign citizens inhabited, went under the jurisdiction of Free Town Gdansk
Mestwin of Gdansk 23:05, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in any way particularly important for me, and I have no problem to accept beeing in substantial minority, but I wished (and wish) to state that although I appreciate your arguments, they don't sway me on the principial point, since I am convinced people read www-texts in a less consecutive way than they read printed texts.--Ruhrjung 10:34, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern city guides refering to historical Gdansk