Talk:Russian White, Black, and Tabby

message: As the person who put up the information I'm personally not fussed whether the pages are merged or not. In the future I intend to put far more information here with relevent cross references to published works.  
The Russian Blue may not have additional colours where you live, but in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa non-blue Russians have full championship status and are regularly shown. It is often stated that the Russian Blue is a "natural" breed, however examination of the early texts by Harrison Weir or Frances Simpson clearly shows that the blue cat in the UK was interbred between local cats and those coming from the Baltic.  Also these "russian" cats came in many colours, including white and blue tabby, and the very earliest "russians" identified by Harrison Weir were in fact semi longcoated tabbies! At the same time in the US blue cats were called many things including Maltese amongst others. Like all domestic cats, breeds are an artificial construct created by selection over many generations.  If you compare the earliest photos of the "Russian", they bear little resemblance to the cats shown today.  I have no objection to people maintaining their "romantic" view of the Russian cat but as a serious breeder I'm interested in researching the facts and presenting them for people to make up their own minds.
Oz mike (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: As a member of FASA i'm of the opinon that these two pages must be kept seperate as most bodies treat them as different breeds
--Prom3th3an (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Not Merge 

message: From all the research that I have done, merging these two breeds makes no sense. Few registries that do recognize the colors  and when they do it is as another breed.  They were outcrossed with another cat to get the colors.  If one was to merge these two breeds, then using that same logic, the Siamese/Orientals/Colorpoints/Javanese/Balinese should all be merged into one breed (as they all originated with the Siamese) as well as merging the Exotic Shorthair and Persian or the Abyssinian and Somali.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.113.66 (talk) 01:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Not Merge 

message: Does not matter, those who don't want the merge are just wrong on their facts.  In associations where the Russian colors are recognized, they are NOT recognized as a seperate breed, they are recognized as a Russian cat, in blue, white, black or tabby.  They are shown in the same class against each other.  No different than say, a Siamese, where chocolate, blue, seal and lilac points are all shown against each other as the "Siamese cat".  Color does NOT make a different breed and NO association makes a different breed just based on color! The people in the one association in N America need to get over themselves as they are only one small part of the worlds cat fancy, they are allowed to accept what breeds and colors they want, but they don't get to dictate what the rest of the world accepts and shows.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.242.235.229 (talk) 07:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge or do not merge 

message: I am redirecting Russian (cat) to here.  It seems to be a simple content fork.  Some of the content may be worth merging.  The Merge proposal for this page seems to have been lost in a different proposal to merge this article with Russian Blue.
The content of [[Russian (cat)] was :
During the early 1970s, Mavis and Dick Jones, Russian Blue breeders in Australia, mated a domestic white cat with a Russian Blue with the intent to create a solid white Russian Blue. By the late 1970s, the Russian White and Russian Black colors were accepted by cat fanciers in Australia as Russian cats with full registration and championship status with the two national bodies ACF and CCCA. 
Copies of key documents can be viewed on the Riverlight Cattery website  and standards are available on the Australian Cat Federation website .
Since then the whites and blacks have achieved full championship status in New Zealand and South Africa plus a few smaller registries in Europe, and provisional status in other countries as well.
Many countries still only recognise the blue coloured Russian, the Russian Blue, for full registration.
The Russian White, Black and Tabby are regularly shown in the countries where they have full registration.
--SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Russian (cat)]]