Talk:Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

message: "White-faced Pestilences live there, as well as Hunger and Death and War."  Aeneid, Book 6, written 150 years before Revelation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:601:4CA0:288E:4C2B:E913:230F (talk) 01:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Ripoff of Virgil's Aeneid 

message: The interpretations for the concept of "damage" given in the article are good and thought-provoking.  One is missing, however.  The intended meaning may be much simpler than those previously suggested. That is, “damage” in the sense of "to touch so as to diminish."  Meaning, quite simply, that no one shall be permitted to have any oil or wine with their bread.  In the Mediterranean region during Biblical times, oil and wine were common household foodstuffs, not luxury items reserved for the wealthy.  Oil and wine were two commonly used sops for bread.  The passage may simply be meant to suggest that people shall be left to eat “unbuttered” bread -- a rather hard swallow.
NB: the term “unbuttered” is used here in the historical sense of the word.  That is, to be accompanied by condiments from a buttery, a buttery being barrel stores of durable goods, usually fermented liquids and oils.
I do not have the time to go out and gather supporting citations for this interpretation of the Biblical phrase in question.  I would appreciate other scholars doing so such that this interpretation may be rightly included within the main article.  Thank you. MrWhysir (talk) 00:02, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't this splitting hairs, though? >.> Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

text: How is this splitting hairs?  This point adds a different perspective and a different interpretation. Rajakiit (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "damaging" the oil and the wine 

message: I Think that the saying they were given the power of over fourth of the earth means that they were given the power of the water
-Ty S.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.160.177 (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the 2-year delay in noticing this entry--This is not a discussion page. And whether you are correct or not, Wikipedia requires no original research when editing articles. David Spector (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

text: The color of Islam is also red as in The Red Crescent. It is also the color of blood and therefore good symbolism for a people that love war. Muslims do love their jihads!71.174.128.28 (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pale horse 

message: In the text for the First Horseman it says
:The German Stuttgarter Erklärungsbibel casts him as civil war and internal strife.
and in the text for the Second Horseman it says
:The second horseman may represent the war of conquest as opposed to civil war that the first horseman brings.
Doesn't that seem backward? The First Horseman is called Conquest and the Second Horseman is called War.
Rajakiit (talk) 14:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems a previous editor has mixed things up. Several sources identify the white horse with wars of conquest, and the red horse with civil strife. -- 202.124.73.21 (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of the First Horseman in Stuttgarter Erklärungsbibel vs. role of the Second Horseman 

message: What Bible version(s) is/are being used here? The article says "NIV", but the wording differs from the NIV in some cases. -- 202.124.73.21 (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably supposed to be all NIV, I'll get around to straightening it out in a bit (although you're welcome to), but sometimes people change translations to different ones without changing the name of the translation.  It's an unfortunate problem with any article that deals with any translation issues, especially Bible related articles. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's fine, it's just the older edition of the NIV. -- 202.124.73.21 (talk) 07:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bible versions? 

message: There seems to be an edit war over the citations to www.apocalypsis.org.  Seems to me clearly not a WP:RS, but also seems to be a clasic case for dispute resolution.
If it is a WP:RS, the tag should be removed, if it is not the citation should be removed. I note that there are plenty of reliable book references already. 202.126.111.22 (talk) 00:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No discussion was found, 3O has been declined. May I suggest that you refer the actions of the editor in question who is claimed to be conducting an Edit War to the appropriate noticeboard. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, the site is actually www.apocalipsis.org. And it's clearly a WP:FRINGE site, with bizarre 9/11 stuff. The citation needs to go 139.130.39.54 (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh. I wasn't concerned with the entirety of the site. Whatever, though. Link's gone. Really, I think this was less a war edits than laziness. The simple answer was to add/find new citations and move around some old ones. I've admitted to be lazy and/or busy these days, so... yeah. No clue why the GIPU could do all this bureaucratic stuff but not just fix the problem. Oh well. Done. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 16:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Opinion

message: In the King James Version, The Revelation 5:1 refers to a "book sealed with seven seals". In later and recent Bible versions, it is a "scroll". Therefore, to cover both, it is referred to as the "book"/"scroll". - Brad Watson, Miami 65.3.238.158 (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "book"/"scroll" 

message: When viewed in the historical situation in which the writers were situated , it is easy to see the most evident explanation:
- A king (or usurper of the throne) is on a conquest spree: spreading his point of view as the righteous bringer of good news. (A new age under a new reign)
- This conquest brings the inevitable terrors of war: slaughter, havoc and mayhem.
- The lands or regions suffering these wars are plagued by the typical result of foraging armies: famine. Whine and oil are excellent items to give to your (mercenary) troops together with other loot (and food)
- Famine combined with the terrors of war lead to a massive death toll, compared to every day hardship and occasional natural disaster)
For people living in those times, there was nothing worse than this: no amount of praying , no sheltering in religious buildings could spare you the evil of war. Especially if those conquesting hordes follow another religion.
The story of the mythical figure Jesus breaks those four seals and unleashing these four riders could be interpreted as the ultimate evil set forth on man with disregard of his/her religious beliefs. Only in death will the devout follower be rewarded.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naughtynimitz (talk • contribs) 08:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:CITE and WP:NOR. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the most evident explanation viewd in its context. 

message: I'm surprised not to see the general Evangelical Protestant interpretation mentioned here at all. In that interpretation, the rider on the white horse is seen as the Antichrist; hence, his attributes look somewhat like Christ's. His role is to conquer, and hence he is seen as a great victor. He conquers the world, but without an excessive amount of bloodshed. The red horse is warfare, and it comes second because it represents rebellion against the Antichrist's rule, when his kingdom begins to unravel into civil war, leading to unimaginable bloodshed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GnatsFriend (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: New stuff goes at the bottom.  If you can find a reliable source (as described here) to summarize and cite, we could add that.  Ian.thomson (talk) 03:21, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Possibility for the Role of the White Horseman

message: One of the articles subarticles lacks any sources or verification. Its entitled "a modern interpretation"
It almost seems as if this is merely an editors personal interpretation. I recommend it be taken down.
Its written informally and gets quite dramatic. Not wikipedia material.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintobalys (talk • contribs) 08:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That was added a few days ago, and I just removed it. Johnuniq (talk) 08:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A modern interpretation 

message: Shouldnt that be pestilence/disease?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.114.72.103 (talk) 18:34, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very modern interpretation, relatively speaking. It's noted in the article. Rklawton (talk) 18:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conquest" horse???? 

message: I've removed the uncited "One should mention" paragraph again.  It would be fine to provide a contrasting viewpoint from one or more other scholars, but an uncited criticism like this is just original research.  It also doesn't really make sense.  What does "out of any religious-scientific relations" mean? Mattflaschen - Talk 16:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: One should mention - that's a good call. Rklawton (talk) 18:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "One should mention" 

message: The in-line notes that say "DO NOT add Pestilence, that is a later misinterpretation not based on the source text!" and the like seem a tad inappropriate to me, and a little OR. Interpretation of ancient texts is secondary research, and it seems that whoever is adding those notes is privileging his or her own interpretation of the text over a very common interpretation. In the context of mythological figures, it's a little 19th century to suggest that a popular interpretation is wrong just because it's different from the original source text. "In most accounts..." doesn't seem like an accurate way to summarise the different viewpoints. I would suggest, "academic interpretations based on Biblical text" say Conquest, whereas "another popular interpretation" says Pestilence. --62.189.73.197 (talk) 13:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-line notes 

message: besides incorrectly identifying ζυγὸν (look it up in a greek dictionary...) or "yoke" as "scales" which is a popular error in contemporary translations if one is open to the original one might consider allowing this part of the text it's own words... wikipedia already has the weakness of allowing for pathological disinformationists and kith to manipulate facts to suit popular versions of truth... frankly this article is so wrong as to be unusable and I might request its removal... this is my bible as well and frankly some of the opinions people have of it are reinforced by a rather well intentioned version of expertise which falls humorously short of meaningful. Besides murky and muddling these errors are frustrating the bibles efforts to allow understanding.
unless -of course- you want to cause harm why don't you check your translation using a third "uninvolved" party? good luck.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.61.131 (talk • contribs) 
:Wikipedia does not use original research.  What you found on Google translate does not beat out what professionally published mainstream academic works have assessed is the correct translation for KOINE Greek. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Wikipedia does not use original research, we rely on mainstream academic sources written by real historians instead of your analysis based on outdated sources and an honestly ridiculous confusion of how translation works.  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Your suggestion that this page be deleted because it doesn't agree with your unprofessional and unaccredited opinions is in direct contradiction to WP:NOTCENSORED.  See also WP:No personal attacks -- if you aren't willing to communicate with others in a civilized manner, you don't belong here.  Ian.thomson (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google translate 

message: how does a text written by a discredited biblical scholar qualify for entry here? this entry is irrelevant except to illustrate the folly of this obscure independent. should be removed.?Wikipedia does not care about you or me (or  Edward Bishop Elliott) being qualified scholars. Wikipedia is not a scholarly site, but a summary of sources that speak for themselves.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronottoJennings (talk • contribs) 04:18, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  horae apocalypticae 

message: The bible neglects naming the first rider so should we.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronottoJennings (talk • contribs) 04:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two different white horses in Revelations and two riders. One conquers using the bow, while the other used the sword in his mouth. This can be taking as he uses "cutting remarks" or criticism instead of an actual weapon. The return of Christ can also mean the return of Christianity through conversion, instead of the return of a physical Christ. As to where Christianity will return, that is obviously back to the only place it has been practically wiped out, aka Muslim lands which were previously Christian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.128.28 (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  the name of the rider of the white horse 

message: Does anyone else agree that the Edward Bishop Elliott sections amount to undue emphasis on a particular, perhaps fringe, interpretation? They take up a fair amount of volume in the article and might be better moved or merged to a separate page. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 23:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:   Edward Bishop Elliott – undue emphasis? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There seems to be a person who I think is edit warring and following my every edit and reverting everything I change.
Futurism is a Christian Eschatological position and I think futurism should replace the word 'prophecy' in that heading because Historicists also promote future prophecy. Nashhinton (talk) 07:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Here? You think it's okay to bring this up here? Well, it's not. This is not the forum for that. Edit warring is to be reported here; other misconduct is reported here. Please stick to the content at hand on article talk pages. El_C 07:15, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I am the admin you get. El_C 07:20, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was wondering if 'Prophecy Interpretation' under Interpretations should be changed to 'Futurist Interpretation' 

message: Preterist interpretation
Article: Some modern scholars interpret Revelation from a preterist point of view, arguing that its prophecy and imagery apply only to the events of the first century of Christian history.[24]
Me: The Book of Revelations was written well after Christs death, around 100 AD by most sources, and can not be a "prophecy" of the first century after the birth of Christ as it was written either at the END of that first century or AFTER that first century.
Some people seem to have had brain farts!!!!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.128.28 (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone make sense of these rambling, insulting text walls?  Is there anything useful in this and other sections where Biblical blogs are cited as sources, "Muslims do love their jihads!" statements, etc? Zaathras (talk) 22:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @Zaathras: No, please remove any off-topic comments (including mine) which are not helpful for improvement of the article. I semi-protected this talk page and will take further action if needed later. Johnuniq (talk) 04:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I'd've just blocked the IP instead of locking the page.  It's dynamic but it seems stable enough at the moment.  Ian.thomson (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is STUPID 

message: There have been a number of authors comparing events in the Middle Ages to The prophecy. They mistakenly tend to concentrate on events in Europe when the prophecy refers to "the earth", so events outside of Europe would have a bearing. These events are as follows
1) The Mongol Conquests - the largest empire that has ever existed was the Mongol Empire and was created in short time by horse nomads whose main weapon was the bow - an excellent fit for the Conqueror
2) Turkish destruction of the Byzantine Empire by the Turks in wars that spanned hundreds of years. They are Muslims and wage jihad wars as a matter of religious duty. Muslims and their endless jihads are a perfect fit for the people that would take peace from the earth.
3) Famine from crop failures due to the cooling weather of the Little Ice Age
4) The Black Plague - a disease spread by rats which live underground and are literally beasts "of the earth".
In conjunction these 4 events caused a worldwide population drop on the order of 25% as required by the prophecy. This has been the ONLY worldwide population drop of that magnitude KNOWN to have occurred since the time of Christ. There may also have been a worldwide population drop around the time of the fall of the Roman Empire as another Little Ice Age hit at that point as well, but not enough evidence exists to prove it.
The Bible statement in Revelations 6:8 "And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, and by plague and by the beasts of the earth" is an 100% accurate description of what happened WORLDWIDE during the Middle Ages.
The article should reflect this fact to the extent allowed by wiki policies! You show some dufus interpretation about how the prophecy was about events in the first century Roman Empire which is PLAINLY STUPID as the prophecy happened AFTER those events. Prophecies are about the FUTURE and not about the PAST! it's kinda the definition!71.174.129.20 (talk) 05:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Ages 

message: Have taken the liberty to excising this passage. It was the first thing the IP was edit-warring over, and seems to have been perhaps overlooked when they moved on to the other nonsense? Not seeing the utility of a wordy citation to discionary.com that blows the intro up 2x its size. If we do really need this it could be shortened considerably. Zaathras (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dicdef in the lede 

message: Original
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are described in the last book of the New Testament of the Bible, the Book of Revelation by John of Patmos, at 6:1–8, according to the main exegetical stream since the Reformation. The chapter tells of a book or scroll in God's right hand that is sealed with seven seals. The Lamb of God opens the first four of the seven seals, which summons four beings that ride out on white, red, black, and pale horses. Before the Reformation it was generally thought that there was only one Horseman, riding successively these four horses.
Though theologians and popular culture differ on the first Horseman, the four riders are often seen as symbolizing Conquest[1] or Pestilence (and less frequently, the Christ or the Antichrist), War,[2] Famine,[3] and Death.[4] The Christian apocalyptic vision is that the Four Horsemen are to set a divine apocalypse upon the world as harbingers of the Last Judgment.[1][5] That the number of horsemen are four is important: four is the number associated with creation or the earth in the Book of Revelation. On the significance of fours in Revelation, see Biblical numerology.[6]
Proposed revision
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are described in the last book of the New Testament of the Bible, the Book of Revelation by John of Patmos, at 6:1–8, which is thought to have been written around 96 AD with a small minority proposing that it was written around 68 AD[1].
According to the main modern interpretation, this prophecy describes a period of time when a quarter of the population of the earth would be killed by a combination of wars, famine and disease.[2] The prophecy describes the causes as a conquering people whose weapon was the bow ("I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest"), a people engaged in constant war ("Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword"), as high food prices leading to famine ("before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, 'A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!'") and disease[2] ("I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him."). These four are then summed up as follows: "They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by the sword (war), famine, and plague and by the wild beasts of the earth."
Compare and tell which is a better version for someone willing to spend 1 minute for information and only willing to read the intro.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.127.186 (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The existing version is preferable...straightforward, concise, well-written. Yours is a bland wall of text, bloated with quotations and excessive detail. Zaathras (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to look up well-written. the original looks like it was made by a gang into hack and paste. That's below cut and paste.I can say more about the other words you used but I will refrain.71.174.127.186 (talk)
I would like that someone would give a reference for "Before the Reformation it was generally thought that there was only one Horseman, riding successively these four horses." I don't know where this surprising assertion came from. There's a very famous 1498 woodcut from Dürer (check up the year and the Reformation chronology) where you can see four horsemen, simultaneously as a dramatic representation because he was a great artist. Before that you would usually find them to be represented separately, but that doesn't mean they weren't considered different horsemen. I mean, this is completely wrong and kind of nuts but it's presented as a fact nevertheless. I'd add a "citation needed", as apparently all this relies on just a 2019 self-published book I don't have access to, but the article is locked.83.34.72.98 (talk) 21:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on the lead 

message: This section is simply PATHETIC. There is only one reference to disease in the section and it is way inside when it should be the very first thing. 
The first and second horseman represent 2 types of wars, 1:conquest and 2:war for the simple love of war. The third represents famine, and the fourth disease spread by beasts of the earth. Again PATHETIC that something this obvious is not included in the description.
The way it is written the fourth horseman is a combo of "pestilence and the beasts of the earth" - aka a disease spread by beasts with a strong connection to the earth. say burrowing animals. Think of the combo of bubonic plague and rats. Another well known example of a disease spread by an "animal" is malaria and mosquitoes.
Authority was given to them (the four horseman) over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword ( war) and with famine (famine) >>>and<<< with pestilence >>>and<<< by the wild beasts of the earth.
Notice the first "and" is followed by a second. In English if the item following an "and" is a combo. you get "and this AND that", with THIS AND THAT being a combo. This is the way English is USED. 71.174.127.186 (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  on the pale horse and simple english 

message: Under the Pale Horse section, there is this unsourced claim:
"Some christians believed that the “wild beasts” refers to the Nephilim hybrids (reptilians, bigfoots, insectoids, dogmen, etc) destined to be loosed from their underground habitat to kill a third of humanity."
This seems to be a fringe belief from an earlier editor. Should this sentence be deleted?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.204.46.59 (talk) 21:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced cryptozoology-theology claim 

message: has changed the link to Christian Mythology to point at Christian Religion (which redirects to Christianity) several times after being reverted. I invite them to set out there reasoning here. Best GirthSummit (blether) 15:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with keeping it to "mythology". Calling the historic interpretative developments of the "Four Horsemen" is clearly "mythological" and not in any way demeaning of the Christian Religion, because clearly anything other than the specific reference to the exact lines of of the Revelations scripture is mythological. Such bullies as Vonteous have discouraged me from making any edits to any articles. Tumacama (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think it should link to Christian Mythology, but "Christian Scriptures" seems good enough as well. BlueBanana (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Such bullies as Vonteous have discouraged me" Have you had personal interactions with this editor? Dimadick (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Mythology or Christian Religion 

message: I just deleted this: "Other interpretations relying on comparative religious research ascribe the first Horseman as guiding for "the right path".In Mahabharata Lord Krishna was a charioteer to Arjuna by riding on white horses, while Arjuna himself was an archer."
Firstly, ramarajyam.org is no longer online and cannot serve as reference. But more importantly for consideration of future misappropriations: the Four Horsemen is clearly a Christian legend/myth, it's not appropriate to be citing the Mahabharata here, certainly not including it under the "Christological interpretation" sub-heading. I suspect some cult tried to inappropriately combine apocalyptic ideas from both Hindu and Christian traditions. Don't do that! Tumacama (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an archived version of that website (archived in 2018) here. It doesn't look even remotely like an RS to me, I would strongly support the removal of any content supported only by that site. GirthSummit (blether) 09:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "Comparative Religion Interpretations 

message: The word θανάτῳ is not a “variation” of the word Θάνατος; it’s the dative singular of Θάνατος. The dative is required here because θανάτῳ follows ἐν; its meaning is still Θάνατος. θανάτῳ in Rev 6:8 is translated in many ways: in the Vulgate as “morte” (ablative of mors, death, the name of the rider)https://www.biblestudytools.com/vul/passage/?q=revelation+6:8;+revelation+6:12; in the KJV as “pestilence”https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+6%3A8&version=KJV; in the NABRE as “plague”http://usccb.org/bible/revelation/6; in the Vatican working draft Chinese as 瘟疫, wēnyì, plague (can’t give you the link to that one, sorry). In other places in the Bible, the word θανάτῳ is translated as “death” (in the KJV in Mt 15:4, Jn 12:33 inter alia)https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/inflections.cfm?strongs=G2288&t=KJV&ot=TR&word=θανάτῳ. One who apparently didn’t study Greek can’t really justify preferring to read θανάτῳ as “plague” by casual reference to a single interlinear source, am I right? I didn’t edit the article, because whoever wrote that sentence should have an opportunity to explain why they thought that sentence should stand on its own.
2600:6C44:7C80:431C:F981:F818:7AF7:73DE (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  θανάτῳ and Θάνατος, death and plague 

message: Could someone give the Hebrew word Ezekiel used for "wild beasts" and explain it precisely? Does "wild beasts" include insects (locusts, mosquitoes, killer bees, killer hornets) or does the word mean something more restricted? WordwizardW (talk) 02:30, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone give the Hebrew word Ezekiel used for "wild beasts" and explain it precisely? 

message: The main infobox on the article was recently changed to Christianity, what are your opinions on this? Personally I think Christian Eschatology was better as it is more specific and more accurately fits the subject, whereas Christianity seems a bit too broad. However, on the other hand there is a separate infobox for Eschatology in the Interpretations section of the article. BlueBanana (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox: Christianity or Christian Eschatology? 

message: What should we do about the parts where corn is mentioned? I think the concerns of 45.48.101.140 regarding that corn was only introduced to Europe in the 15th century are valid. It seems stupid that we should keep obvious misinformation in the article just because of WP:NOR. BlueBanana (talk) 00:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corn 

message: Can Christian editors take a step back on this. People have co-opted Zechariah and Ezekiel to reinforce revelation. It probably is the case that John had in mind these texts but it is wrong to try to align them all to support Christian eschatology. Deal with them separately 203.171.51.94 (talk) 04:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have simply clipped Zechariah and Ezekiel from the lead. There are no "four horsemen" in either. Srnec (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Christian 

message: 4 Horsemen symbol for 4 major super powers? 122.59.22.161 (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything is possible, but we don't state in our articles just because it is merely possible. See also WP:FORUM. tgeorgescu (talk)  04:53, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can the four horsemen apocalypse represent the 4 major super powers?  

message: It makes no sense to not have the 4 horsemen (the entry) actually be defined in the first or second sentence of this article. Even on search engines, this information doesn't pop up on wikipedia immediately. 87.89.215.78 (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, done that. Johnbod (talk) 03:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  yeah but what are they, upfront?