Talk:John Michael Botean

message: I have received official permission from Fr. Ovidiu of the Chancery to use images and text from the official website (http://www.romaniancatholic.org) for use in Wikipedia. Sources are thus official and copyright permission predates publication.  TMLutas 16:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: On the off chance that this page is on a few more watch lists than normal, I'm going to be a bit more complete than normal on sourcing on this page, at least for a bit and keep up a section for that purpose TMLutas 14:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these are published third-party sources. Are there any books, magazines, academic journals, newspapers, or even reliable independent blogs? —Centrx→talk • 17:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see, Item 4, 5, and 6 on the list are all 3rd parties. A quick check of the main pages on those servers should have made that clear. Of course, as a Catholic organization, the bio and organizational stuff is verifiable via the Catholic Directory but that's not online so far as I know. You'd most likely have to take the trek to your local catholic parish or library for that source of verification. The bare existence of the diocese and bishop can be verified via the USCCB (http://www.usccb.org/bishops.shtml) which also verifies that items 1 and 2 are from the official diocesan website and the monastic communities link there demonstrates that item 7 is also an official source of news on that community. Is there anything in particular you're uncomfortable with? TMLutas 16:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of them are somewhat independent sources but they are not reliable published sources; see also Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. There is not, for example, editorial review on any of these. The letter is written by Botean himself, the rumkatkilise.org site has a trivial mention of him and was written by a church now affiliated with him. The www.hrmonline.org source looks fairly legitimate, but it is a single trivial mention that only verifies that he exists. The tcrnews2.com also looks relatively legitimate, but it is simply an interview with someone of unknown reliability. —Centrx→talk • 18:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, perhaps I was not clear. Do you have any actual problems with the article as written? Without an actual challenge as to, well, anything, there's really no point to the discussion. Over time, the article will improve and there are no contentious issues of defamation or libel involved here. You were simply incorrect that there were no independent sources at first and now you are incorrect that rumkatkilise.org is in a church affiliated with Bishop John Michael (unless you have some rather nonstandard values for the definition of "affiliated"). You may wish to look up what a sui iuris church is. So far as I know, the byzantine catholics in Turkey are not associated with the US diocese at all and not even with the Romanian synod which only has a somewhat dotted line relationship with the US diocese. If you would like to improve sourcing, have at it but I confess that I don't get what you're trying to do with your, thus far, inaccurate assertions. TMLutas 20:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: Bishop John Michael is 3rd generation american (no, not sourced but that's irrelevant for this conversation). Putting a romanian bio stub may or may not be appropriate but I've left it in because in the 38 years I've been on this planet I haven't gotten a straight answer as to what *is* a romanian; that is, what makes someone in or out of the group? Identity can be a tricky thing so anybody answering should remember to be gentle TMLutas 22:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Was he named in English or Romanian?  If in English, why give the Romanian version?  If in Romanian, why not give it first (and solely)?  If in English and he also uses the Romanian version in his work, that could be made explicit. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is his name Romanian or English? 

message: What is the source for this section?  It reads like a bit of (perhaps reasonable but still) original research. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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