Talk:List of governors of Indiana

message: This article in unbelieveably poor.  No only should be there be a comprehensive summary of the position of Governor of the State of Indiana, but there should at a mimimum, be a listing of the line of succession for the role.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.115.155.55 (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why yes, it is poor. I'll get to it when I can. In the meantime, you're free to add stuff. --Golbez (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is fine as a List. The redirect page Governor of Indiana, needs to become it's own article with that information. I can try to do that this week.  Charles Edward 01:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession 

message: Do you think it is notable to add the two impeachments attempts. The legislature attempted to impeach Jonathan Jennings in 1819, but didnt succeed. They addtempted to impeach James B Ray in 1826, also did not suceed. Charles Edward (Talk) 23:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since they were not removed from office I do not think it is necessary to list it here. It's most relevant and already at Governor of Indiana in the History section. After this, that article would be nice to collaborate on. Reywas92Talk 23:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impeachment 

message: I don't think we need to separate the Lt Gov. Party labels from teh governor. The only discrepancies are ratliff boon and John H. Thompson. But - in that period there were no party labels in state. As in, when they were elected, they did not list a party on the ballot. Everyone was the same party, just different factions of the same party. []. The only other discrepancy I notice was when Paris C. Dunning (democrat) was acting lt. governor during the term of Oliver Morton (republican) - but that is not listed here. Charles Edward (Talk) 00:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: re Lt Govs, this column should not be sortable, as it includes two pieces of information, and thus only the first would be sortable. --Golbez (talk) 00:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you make just one column "un-sortable"? Is there some code we could put on that column to keep it from working? Or maybe is there a way to make the table plain, and then just certain columns sortable. I am not terribly familiar with wiki code, so any pointer would be appreciated. :) Charles Edward (Talk) 01:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "style=unsortable" in the column head, I think. --Golbez (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LT. Gov Party Labels

message: I am ok with putting the terms into columns, but I think we should decide how to do it first. I don't think it is a good idea to just put half terms, because that is a bit misleading in most the cases. Lane was governor for 2 days, half term is an overstatment. Morton resigned just a couple monthes before his term was over, so saying half term is cutting him short almost two years. Also, the terms were originally three years, and now they are four. I think it would be better to list days in office, or years and days in office - if we are going to add that column. What do you think? Charles Edward (Talk) 00:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Days maybe, but the fractional terms also let you easily see who shared an elected term. I see no problem whatsoever giving a 1/2 or 1/3 or whatever to a 2 day term; the point is to indicate not the length of the term, but who shared it with the elected governor. --Golbez (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Funny, even M. Clifford Townsend lists his Lt and Gov terms overlapping. I'll see what I can find. The term lengths are great. Thanks! For some reason however, when they are sorted they are listed alphabetically with all the 1s then 2s first, not numerically. I'll look for a solution for that. I also corrected Schricker as also being 8 years 4 days; it was a few days shorted than that. Reywas92Talk 02:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the ref tags that is causing it. I removed them all out on a test edit, and it allows them to sort numerically. It must be forcing alphabetical because it is detecting letters in the field. Wonder if there is a fix? Charles Edward (Talk) 01:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: No, I am unsure that it counted the leap years, I suspected that perhaps it did not but have not had time to look at it in detail. I could not find any other utility that would calculate before the year 1971. I will try to hunt down something now. Although I do agree that putting the number of terms would look neater and present better, it is splitting the partial terms where I am concerned. I think it would be fairly misleading to simply put terms into half or quarter fractions. Is there any other alternative? I also checked my book and the date Reywas put in for the overlap is correct. Thanks! Charles Edward (Talk) 01:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I checked it and leap years were not counted. I went through and added the leap days to the terms were needed. Charles Edward (Talk) 02:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you omit 1900's non-leap day? --Golbez (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had not thought of that! Thanks for pointing it out. I have corrected it. Charles Edward (Talk) 14:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Terms Column

message: From Golbez's comments, I believe there are only two things left to do. One is to change the party color from a background to a column. Other FLs use backgrounds, but I can change them. I'm really not sure which I like better. Second is to add a terms column. I still don't like it, but it can be added, though in addition to the days. If refs are moved to the column with terms, then the problem of sorting the days is solved. And the numbers Charles had were correct in the first place. I calculated some of them myself and the new numbers added one for the leap years, but they were already there. I may be able to start that tomorrow, otherwise after Friday when school is out. Reywas92Talk 23:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done both of those. Didn't take as long as I thought it would :). Please double-check my work and let me know what you think. I guess I was overzealous before, but now I really think the list is ready to take to WP:FLC. Reywas92Talk 01:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

text: If you had not just explained that to me, I would have no idea that is what was meant by the terms on the Arkansas page. I think our readers would be misled or confused by this system. Especially one man who served during two terms, but was listed as serving less than one term. If we do put it footnote on each instance of a partial term with an explanation, I think it would be ok though. Charles Edward (Talk) 20:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you think is best, though it should not be too abstract. I knew that ⅞+1+½ for Morton looks very strange, but I put it there anyway because it's a little more literal than 2⅜. He only served one full term plus some on either side, so it shouldn't be 2 plus some. For Ray and Baker, it's to show that they inherited the end of the previous term rather than that it was an extension of their full terms. And yes, every one with a fraction has a note. Reywas92Talk 22:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But the way it is now, you're trying too hard. Especially the 1/8 vs 7/8 one; as a reader who might be confused by Arkansas, that would confuse me; why is this one 1/8? 2 days is much less than 1/8! --Golbez (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what should I say? 1/730? 1/2 or even 1/4 is an even bigger overstatement. This is why I didn't really like a terms column, though I do see the usefulness of comparing some of them. But there's the 3 year- vs. 4 year-term as well! Reywas92Talk 22:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left to do 

message: What do you think about adding a see also section with the indiana portal template and Indiana Governor's Residence? Charles Edward (Talk) 03:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure! Reywas92Talk 17:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  see also 

message: I was out of town during most of the FLC, and I conommed because I do think it's FL quality, but I think it could be better. My complaints:
#The picture at the top. Why not the current governor? This is not a huge complaint, though.
:I like having all the people photos together. This is a list of all governors, not just the current, so I think a more general photo is more appropriate for the lead. 
#The lieutenant governors.
##Stubs. There should not be blacklinks here. They're notable. They can be stubs.
::We have addressed this already. They can be stubs only if they are actually useful, not just "Name was lieutenant governor of Indiana from year to year under governor." If you would like to research them I invite you to, but even the Indiana Historical Bureau site doesn't have profiles on them. 
##Each one, IMO, should have its own cell. Yes, this renders the table unsortable. No, I don't think it matters.
::IMO, sorting is important; readers can look at the govs alphabetically, or grouped by party, or by shortest to longest time in office. I know someone has delveloped an excellent way to sort rowspans, and hopefully it will be implemented soon. User:Tcncv/Table Sort Demo
#Days. I don't think this really helps, and it clutters up the table. It's easy to see who served a partial term with the terms column; if someone is truly interested in how long the term is, they can do the simple math. This is my biggest issue with the list.
:Some people aren't so good at math. There is List of United States Presidents by time in office, so the information should be included. State governors just shouldn't have a separate list.
#Terms. My complaints here are no secret; I think you're trying to be too smart by half by trying to be "accurate" with fractions that are supposed to be wholly abstract. I'm referring to the 1/8 term. That should be 1/2, to fit with the other styles. The whole point of the terms column is to easily indicate which terms were partial; not to try to give some fake accuracy to the concept. The plus system, I can deal with later.
:I'm not trying to be "accurate", otherwise it would say 1/730. I understand that it should be abstract, but 1/2 is a bit off. Can I call his very short term 1/3? Things that are supposed to be general are often taken too literally. If the sole purpose is to say their term was not complete, then that's what the notes are for. I may have gone to far with the pluses (½+1 rather than 1½), but I don't want to say Morton served 2½ terms when he was only served one full term.
Should I give up? I just don't think there is a big enough consensus, at this point, to switch from my preferred format to the one used in this list. --Golbez (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldn't necessarily give up, but you can't have it a certain way all the time; we should compromise somewhere. Maybe some lts did other things that make them more notable, but a sufficient article can't be made for every running mate in history. Some people may not find term lengths as interesting as others. I did do excessive plussing in the terms though. Maybe Charles would like to comment again. Reywas92Talk 02:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaints 

message: I noticed that it didn't mention political parties for these people. Is that because they didn't have any?
65.214.67.173 (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Territorial governors were appointed, not elected, so their party was irrelevant. They weren't nominated or declared for any party. --Golbez (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Parties of Territorial Governors 

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