Talk:Josephine Baker

message: Seems to me that she should be considered part of the subject of Jazz music, otherwise all the mentions of her singing French Jazz should be excised and all the Refs mentioning Jazz or on the subject of Jazz that included Baker - like the Oxford Companion to Jazz, and the articles like "Real First Lady of Jazz" & "Le Jazz-Hot" could be regarded as suspect...  plus what about the Category of "French female jazz singers"?  Shearonink (talk) 05:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you made the right move by putting the WikiProject Jazz banner back on this page. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 17:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jazz singer?...or not. Part of WikiProject Jazz?....or not. 

message: In this article, it states:
The honor she was paid spurred her to further her crusading efforts with the "Save Willie McGee" rally after he was convicted of the 1948 beating death of a furniture shop owner in Trenton, New Jersey.
If you go over to the linked article on Willie McGee, there is no mention at all of anything to do with a beating death of a furniture shop owner. Are there (perhaps) two Willie McGees? The quoted sentence above does not have a reference, so it may not be entirely accurate. I'm not familiar with this topic, though, so I don't feel comfortable figuring out which is correct. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:16, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on My Grandfather's Execution, I think the link is correct but the content in the Baker article isn’t and should be changed and cited. Gleeanon409 (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I've tagged the sentence as dubious. I will leave this discussion here for a bit to allow time for anyone to provide sources. If none are provided, then I will remove the sentence (or at least the link, since it's very possible there's another Willie McGee). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a RS  about Miss Baker and her involvement on behalf of Mr. McGee. It says nothing about a furniture store owner or New Jersey. I can't help, but think that this is somebody's idea of a joke. I'm going to change this article over to what the RS says. --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency regarding Willie McGee 

message: JOSEPHINE BAKER'S LAST DANCE by Sherry Jones, a novel published by Gallery Books/Simon and Schuster in December 2018, should be added to the list of works about Ms. Baker. (Full disclosure: I'm the author.) --Sherry Jones  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberSmartWriting (talk • contribs) 00:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding my novel to the list of Josephine Baker "potrayals" 

message: Wouldn't it be more fitting to list her as American-French. She was a US citizen for almost half her life and while France was her adopted country for most of her life and that is where she made her career and Family, she did not abandon the US at all. She was very prominent in the US civil rights movement. She worked with the NAACP, spoke at the march on Washington. It even states that Coretta Scott King asked her to be the head of the movement after MLK's assassination.89.240.253.40 (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  American-French 

message: The lead contains the sentence,
:Baker once said: "I have two loves, my country and Paris."
which is sourced to an article on Al Jazeera, which contained the sentence
:“I have two loves,” the artist once said, “my country and Paris.”
But isn't this formulation a bit inane? This is the literal translation of the first two lines of the chorus of her most famous song:
:J'ai deux amours
:Mon pays et Paris
Baker did not say this once, she sang it, many times.  --Lambiam 09:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I have two loves" 

message: Is anyone aware of an independent source for the statement that "In 1968, [Baker] was offered unofficial leadership in the movement in the United States by Coretta Scott King, following Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination."? Seems that this claim may derive from statements in books by members of Baker's family, and has possibly been picked up either from there (or from Wikipedia?) by some other sources. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offer by Coretta Scott King? 

message: :Are there any published reports in French press that reflect Baker's reluctance to accept the leadership of the Civil Rights Movement primarily for safety reasons?--Radzsoleil (talk) 15:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Coretta KIng Offer 

message: According to the page on Jean Claude Baker (Jean-Claude Julien Léon Tronville), there were 2 Jean-Claude Bakers. One was a member of the tribe and the other was an older person whom Baker met in 1943. It would be good to have some clarification on this. It was Jean-Claude Julien Léon Tronville who committed suicide in 2015. Francis Hannaway (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jean Claude 

message: Since a previous discussion of Baker's sexuality is almost a decade old, and since it appears the article no longer reflects the consensus built in that discussion, I want to revive the topic with a fresh start.
My understanding of the previous consensus is that while many sources make a claim to her sexuality, as shown in that earlier talk, almost all, if not 100% of them when traced lead back to the biography of Jean-Claude Baker, whose biography is dubious.
However, some language affirming her bisexuality as fully accepted fact has made itself back into the article, all still with sources that uncritically quote the Jean-Claude Baker book. For example: "Baker was also involved in sexual liaisons, if not relationships, with Ada "Bricktop" Smith, French novelist Colette, and possibly Frida Kahlo.[68]" where source 68 is this article: http://www.glbtqarchive.com/arts/baker_josephine_A.pdf which, when you look at the citations, cites Jean-Claude's book, and a review of Jean-Claude's book, no additional sources.
I am going to make an attempt at an edit to be a bit more clear about her alleged bisexuality, basically trying to make it a 'meta' discussion within the article.
I presume there are biographies of her in French, since that's where she spent much of her life. I wonder if there is a way to collaborate with the Wikipedia French projects to try and get access to those sources? Maybe there's something in those sources that can add more clarity? In the meantime, discuss away. Sevey13 (talk) 01:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any discussion, and in the absence of consensus from independent sources that don't trace back to Jean-Claude Baker, I'm going to remove the LGBT related tags from the article. If more information comes to light, let's add them back. Sevey13 (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality Revisited 

message: This is a minor quibble, I know, but the paragraph on her childhood home refers to it as "212 Targee Street (known by some St. Louis residents as Johnson Street)" which sounds clumsy and makes little sense. From what I can discern, the street was renamed, but it's unclear when. It was definitely Targee Street in 1898 when Frankie Baker (no relation) shot her boyfriend in the same building, in the incident that inspired "Frankie and Johnny." I believe it became Johnson Street in the first few years of the century, probably before Josephine's family lived there, but I can't find a good source on that, or exactly when the rename occurred. The street, which ran North to South between 14th and 15th Streets, was bulldozed to create the Kiel Auditorium in 1934, and the site of that building is now in the heart of the Enterprise Center.
That sentence previously also put the street in the wrong neighborhood, Mill Creek Valley, which is several blocks west, but I corrected that. Google tells me that this very clumsy sentence, including the incorrect neighborhood, has been copied all over the internet. MD5353 (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Targee Street 

message: In September 1939, when France declared war on Germany ... She socialised with the Germans at embassies, ministries, night clubs, charming them while secretly gathering information. 
After the declaration of war the German embassy in Paris was closed. How many Germans with knowledge of (secret or important) information worked at non-German embassies, ministries (in Paris of course ministries of the French Republic) or spent their time in night clubs in the enemy's capital?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.13.145.145 (talk) 07:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  WW II