Talk:Éamon de Valera/Archive 1

message: Are there any freely available images of de Valera with Neville Chamberlain which could be used to illustrate Neville_Chamberlain#Relations_with_Ireland? (That article could use a few more images given the amount of text.) If not, which would be the closest and most appropriate image of deV to use? Timrollpickering 14:43, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I don't do SAMPA, but roughly "Ay-mun dev-a-lair-ah" -- Arwel 00:41, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: An anonymous editor has just changed the description of Fr Thomas Wheelwright from deV's step-brother to half-brother. I was a bit doubtful as the step-brother description has stood for a long time, but this reference on Roots Web describes deV visiting his mother, then known as Catherine Wheelwright, so I suppose it would be correct to describe them as half-brothers. -- Arwel 00:41, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fr Thomas Wheelwright

message: Concerning this: Does anyone know what year de Valera's mother emigrated to New York? I seem to recall it was 1879 (de Valera was born in 1882) but I may be mistaken. I point this out because one alledged father was a local man, a neighbour of his mother's back in Ireland. If she did indeed land in NYC in 1879 then it can be demonstrated that this claim, at least, has no basis in fact. 
It might also be useful for those interested to read the article in the Irish genealogical quarterly, "Irish Roots" ("Vivian de Valera: The Search Continues", Irish Roots, No. 49, Spring 2004). Also, in his memoir of 2004, de Valera's youngest son, Terry, addressed this issue in amazing depth and gave his father a family tree of quite some depth. But I have yet to see a single shred of evidence corobborating it! 
The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence for the existance of a man called Vivian de Valera, Eamon's supposed father. 
For myself, I do not see his possible illigitimacy as a slur - though some, especially the likes of Terry de Valera most certainly would, given his relationship and the era he was raised in. The only persons yet living who could give us a definitive answer to this puzzle have not done so; perhaps that will change when the last of de Valera's children dies? Fergananim
Fergananim, I think the relevant part of what Terry de Valera has to say is regarding the registration of de Valera's birth and baptism, his mother's registration with the maternity hospital, etc. As you say, the family tree etc does nothing to prove his case unless there's some documentary evidence out there to back it up. 
I think the rumour regarding the local landowner being de Valera's father can be ruled out - even Tim Pat has acknowledged it, having ascertained that Kate Coll arrived in the U.S. in 1879. I thought the photo of Vivion de Valera did bear a family resemblance to Éamon, allowing for the fact that the latter looks more like his mother.
Cill Ros 00:34, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Illigitimacy?

message: Hi you have two footnotes in this article.  One of them had become broken so I restored it for now just to make them be numbered correctly and work properly.  General agreement, however, is that footnotes should only be used for citing sources I suggest converting them both to parts of subsections somewhere and using normal subsection links instead.  For more information about using footnotes, please see Wikipedia:Footnote3 and all the articles linked from it. Mozzerati 15:13, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)
The footnotes are used as they are in hundreds of thousands of articles to deal with information that is worth including but which if included in the the body of the text would go of the central message of the main text. That is the way footnotes are used in professional texts. Many historians on wikipedia regard the supposed 'general agreement' as inadequate and have made a point of not following them and will not follow them. FearÉIREANN 20:37, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes.. 

message: Re the above claim from an anonymous user: I disagree fundamentally with much of de Valera's actions during his life but the claim that he permitted the bombing of Belfast docks by German bombers is a complete fabrication and lie. Thankfully that garbage has been reverted. FearÉIREANN 20:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim of German planes overflying 'Éire' to bomb Belfast docks

message: Perhaps the article should have something about his role as Chair of the League of Nations and his earlier dealings with Ghandi.  --ClemMcGann 23:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: International

message: Substituted at 20:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment