Talk:Jonas Bronck

message: In an edit at 18:51, 23 January 2011‎ (UTC) it was asserted a document exists indicating Jonas Bronck “was from Komstad, near Sävsjö, in Småland, Sweden”. We are interested in learning about this paperwork. It would be helpful to know its location, the credentials of whoever interpreted the document, and in which publication its specific content and analysis was published. Three minutes after that edit a “citation needed” notice was added by “Djflem”.  Nearly 10 months have passed and no citation has yet been offered.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eritasactium (talk • contribs)  
=== Bronck was Danish ===
In regard to a reference associated with our Jonas Bronck edit of 23:03, 12 November 2011, the following describes credentials of A.J.F. van Laer, and also provides Wikipedia descriptions of the American Historical Association and the “American Historical Review”, the journal that published van Laer’s cited statement “…Jonas Bronck was a Dane…”
Arnold Johan Ferdinand (A.J.F.) van Laer was a librarian and archivist with the New York State Library (1899-1915) and the Division of History and Archives (1915-1939), best known for his translations of New York’s colonial Dutch records. Published works include four volumes of New Netherland records, two of Beverwyck, six of Albany County, four relating to Rensselaerswyck, and one of Lutheran records in Holland relative to the Colony of New York. He also wrote numerous articles for journals, principally the New York State Historical Association Quarterly, the Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, and the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Record. His translations are considered superior to those of any of his predecessors or contemporaries, a result of his fluency in both Dutch and English, his research into colonial history and language, his understanding of Dutch customs and traditions, and his particular interest in the individual settlers. Frequently overlooked are his contribution to the developing professions of manuscript curator and archivist and his efforts to encourage the preservation of historical records.
A.J.F. van Laer was born in Utrecht and settled in the United States in 1897, living in Albany from 1897 until his death in 1955. He received the degrees of mechanical engineer at the University of Delft and bachelor of library science at the New York State Library School. He and his wife had three sons. Biographical information can be found in a memorial address by Charles K. Winne, Jr., published in the Yearbook of the Dutch Settlers Society of Albany for 1954-1956, and reprinted in volume one of New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch (Baltimore, 1974).
Scope and Content (of the New York State Library’s van Laer archives): These papers contain correspondence, research notes, and other administrative materials relating to Van Laer's duties as librarian and archivist with the New York State Library (1899-1915) and the Division of History and Archives (1915-1939). The correspondence concerns his published translations of documents related to the Dutch colonial period in New York State. For example, his correspondence with Howard Townsend concerns translation of Dutch documents in the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers. In addition, his correspondence also relates to the history and genealogy of families of Dutch origin and New York Colonial history in general. (Source – the New York State Library)
The American Historical Review (AHR) is the official publication of the American Historical Association (AHA). The AHA was founded in 1884 and chartered by Congress in 1889 to serve the interests of the entire discipline of history. Aligning with the AHA’s mission, the AHR has been the journal of record for the historical profession in the United States since 1895—the only journal that brings together scholarship from every major field of historical study. The AHR is unparalleled in its efforts to choose articles that are new in content and interpretation and that make a contribution to historical knowledge. The journal also publishes approximately one thousand book reviews per year, surveying and reporting the most important contemporary historical scholarship in the discipline.
The American Historical Association (AHA) is the oldest and largest society of historians and professors of history in the United States. Founded in 1884, the association promotes historical studies, the teaching of history, and the preservation of and access to historical materials. It publishes The American Historical Review five times a year, with scholarly articles and book reviews. The AHA is the major organization for historians working in the United States, while the Organization of American Historians is the major organization for historians who study and teach about the United States.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eritasactium (talk • contribs) 04:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Requested for nationality 

message: In regard to a reference associated with our Jonas Bronck edit of 23:03, 12 November 2011, the following describes credentials of A.J.F. van Laer, and also provides Wikipedia descriptions of the American Historical Association and the “American Historical Review”, the journal that published van Laer’s cited statement “…Jonas Bronck was a Dane…”
Arnold Johan Ferdinand (A.J.F.) van Laer was a librarian and archivist with the New York State Library (1899-1915) and the Division of History and Archives (1915-1939), best known for his translations of New York’s colonial Dutch records. Published works include four volumes of New Netherland records, two of Beverwyck, six of Albany County, four relating to Rensselaerswyck, and one of Lutheran records in Holland relative to the Colony of New York. He also wrote numerous articles for journals, principally the New York State Historical Association Quarterly, the Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, and the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Record. His translations are considered superior to those of any of his predecessors or contemporaries, a result of his fluency in both Dutch and English, his research into colonial history and language, his understanding of Dutch customs and traditions, and his particular interest in the individual settlers. Frequently overlooked are his contribution to the developing professions of manuscript curator and archivist and his efforts to encourage the preservation of historical records.
A.J.F. van Laer was born in Utrecht and settled in the United States in 1897, living in Albany from 1897 until his death in 1955. He received the degrees of mechanical engineer at the University of Delft and bachelor of library science at the New York State Library School. He and his wife had three sons. Biographical information can be found in a memorial address by Charles K. Winne, Jr., published in the Yearbook of the Dutch Settlers Society of Albany for 1954-1956, and reprinted in volume one of New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch (Baltimore, 1974).
Scope and Content (of the New York State Library’s van Laer archives): These papers contain correspondence, research notes, and other administrative materials relating to Van Laer's duties as librarian and archivist with the New York State Library (1899-1915) and the Division of History and Archives (1915-1939). The correspondence concerns his published translations of documents related to the Dutch colonial period in New York State. For example, his correspondence with Howard Townsend concerns translation of Dutch documents in the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers. In addition, his correspondence also relates to the history and genealogy of families of Dutch origin and New York Colonial history in general. (Source – the New York State Library)
The American Historical Review (AHR) is the official publication of the American Historical Association (AHA). The AHA was founded in 1884 and chartered by Congress in 1889 to serve the interests of the entire discipline of history. Aligning with the AHA’s mission, the AHR has been the journal of record for the historical profession in the United States since 1895—the only journal that brings together scholarship from every major field of historical study. The AHR is unparalleled in its efforts to choose articles that are new in content and interpretation and that make a contribution to historical knowledge. The journal also publishes approximately one thousand book reviews per year, surveying and reporting the most important contemporary historical scholarship in the discipline.
The American Historical Association (AHA) is the oldest and largest society of historians and professors of history in the United States. Founded in 1884, the association promotes historical studies, the teaching of history, and the preservation of and access to historical materials. It publishes The American Historical Review five times a year, with scholarly articles and book reviews. The AHA is the major organization for historians working in the United States, while the Organization of American Historians is the major organization for historians who study and teach about the United States.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eritasactium (talk • contribs) 04:06, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bronck was Danish 

message: The province of Skåne belonged to Denmark until it came to Sweden in 1658 as a consequence of the Treaty of Roskilde. Therefore Jonas Bronck was Danish, speaking a Scanian dialect somewhere in between of Danish and Swedish. --Proofreader 18:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that Skåne was Danish at the time, but Sävsjö (and Bronck's birthplace) is in Småland and therefore in Sweden then as now. I'll correct this. The dialect is irrelevant, but would have been a Småland dialect. --CodeGeneratR 00:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, america "belonged" to the indians at the time.. whats your point? Even if he HAD been born in Skåne, wich he wasnt... So if a woman had a baby in america at that time, would that baby have been an indian? (native american) heh...
Npovorpov 12:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Changed header from Untitled to Skåne. One untitled section, the first one, is enough. --Thnidu (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Skåne

message: "Many people of Scandinavian descent claim that Jonas Bronck himself was descended from Eric the Red and Leif Ericson, who colonised the area. There is also some small archeological evidence suggesting this." - which archeological evidence suggest JB was a decendent of Eric the Red? --62.242.60.122 10:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the above clause from the article. If there is any "evidence", it should be mentioned and sourced.--CodeGeneratR 08:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eric the Red & JB

message: I've changed some things in this article, because it is not for sure to say if Bronck used to be of Dutch, or Swedish nationality. The German page of this subject is stating both options, something I think is legitimate. --84.104.123.100 12:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling "Bronck" is distinctively Dutch, which supports the theory that he was originally Dutch or of Dutch ancestry. --Thnidu (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutchman or Swede?

message: The site of the farmhouse is said to be 500 ft from the Willis Avenue Bridge and 1000 feet south of Bruckner Boulevard within the rail yard.Djflem (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the location currently in the article is within the rail yard and, if it's not absolutely precise, must be within 20 feet or so from the location you indicate. Since the Bronck farmstead is said in the article to have occupied 680 acres, the current coordinates seem close enough. Deor (talk) 21:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: Addition of geographic coordinates is certainly helpful. I subtracted 12 arcseconds of longitude from that original edit to move the referenced location slightly east from the center of the Willis Avenue Bridge to the railyard. I also believe it would be useful to restore linear references to the Bridge and Bruckner Boulevard for those who relate better to such indicators. Eritasactium (talk) 17:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: Does anyone know when railroad tracks were first placed by the site of Bronck’s “stone building with a tile roof”? Perhaps the location was relatively undisturbed prior to introduction of rail facilities. Bronck’s substantial home may even have survived until that time. Maybe the house’s foundation and other evidence of his occupation still exist beneath the rail yard. An archaeological survey using ground penetrating radar could reveal artifacts without interfering with rail traffic. A local university, college, museum, or The Bronx Historical Society might already have undertaken related research. Can anyone cite such a study for possible inclusion in the article? Eritasactium (talk) 17:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bronck Homestead Artifacts? 

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message: The article says Bronck's farm "covered roughly the area south of today's 150th Street in the Bronx in what, today, is Mott Haven." But it also says that the farm abutted the Bronx River. As far as I can tell, Mott Haven doesn't abut the Bronx River; Hunts Point does, and north of that along the river looks like it's Charlotte Gardens?  The line described by 150th Street intersects with Hunts Point well inland.
Is the description of the farm's boundaries incorrect, has the course of the Bronx River changed, or am I missing something? -- Beland (talk) 22:50, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I think I was mixing up the Bronx Kill and the Bronx River. Sorry for the confusion! -- Beland (talk) 07:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of settlement