Talk:Tilbury

message: There is a redirection from West Tilbury to Tilbury. I believe this is misleading since the Tilbury page is largely about the modern (19th and 20th century) town of Tilbury. The traditional parish and village of West Tilbury is and was quite distinct. I believe there should be a separate entry for West Tilbury, but I don't know how to do this.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I believe the paragraph about the Tilbury tree is a hoax - but it is such a delightful story that I'd like it to be true. Does anyone have a source?
Rjm at sleepers 14:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tilbury tree -hoax? 

message: I believe this section is not correct - the troops could have crossed to Kent very easily if they needed to. I intend to re-write it and move it to the West Tilbury page.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Elizabeth and the Tilbury Camp 

message: WHERE IS TIBURY GRACE BEACH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.119.169 (talk • contribs) 22:07, August 2, 2007
:I don't know it. Where did you hear of it? --Malcolmxl5 21:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This could possibly be Grays Beach which is a mile or two upstream from Tilbury Docks. Rjm at sleepers 05:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tilbury Grace Beach

message: A para on the above has been added to the section on the docks. Were they anything to do with the docks (as distinct from presumably wearing Docs)? Would probably be more appropriate to move this to a different part of the article (or delete it as unreferenced). Pterre (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tilbury Trojan Skinheads 

message: -for Tilbury Docks? Every other part of the PLA system - even those long since defunct (see eg Surrey Docks) - have their own article, yet Tilbury has none. It is the only one of those remaining as a working dock, and surely deserves a completely separate from this article on the town itself. There is much more to be said about it than merely one para here: and that para has no reference whatsoever (see these notes for a start. Surely we can do better than a 1946 map, too? Is it not Tilbury Dock not Docks: there is only one dock, isn't there?Peter Shearan (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - why not be bold and split it off? There is also some mention in Port of London (which to my surprise is not linked to from the Tilbury article) and Forth Ports. I guess the 1946 map is there because nothing later is out of copyright. I have more detailed PLA maps from 1925 and 1960s but neither is definitely out of copyright - you will probably have to create your own from scratch. As to the name I've always known it as 'docks' (and note that the Port Cities article can't make its mind up on the subject). While it may be strictly a single dock today, both my maps name 'Main Dock', 'East Branch Dock', 'Centre Branch Dock' and 'West Branch Dock'. In addition to the main water body there have in the past also been three separate dry docks and a tidal basin. Note that the port of Southampton (which strictly has no docks at all) is generally known including on road signs as 'Southampton Docks'. However, maybe it would be better to call it Port of Tilbury or something? Pterre (talk) 13:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I take your latter point, and had noticed the Port Cities' indecision! You are obviously well-informed about this - I'm merely an observer from across the river - but it appears that the London Cruise Terminal is rarely used as such now. Would that be correct? A further thought now is that, once the Docks info is removed, the article should then be concerning itself much more with the town itself. As I understand it, Tilbury has never recovered from the 1970s huge reduction in the labour force, since most of the inhabitants were port employees. The Wiki suggested method of writing about settlements here would need to include such economic info, as well as other details of the way people in the town occupy themselves! Talk about skinheads/travellers is hardly that! I may try to tackle it; and would be grateful for your comments when I do so. Regards Peter Shearan (talk) 06:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there should be a separate article for Tilbury Docks. There are actually several docks in the complex so Tilbury Docks (in the plural) is correct and certainly locally it was known as Tilbury Docks (I lived in Tilbury between 1988 and 1996). Indeed, a google book search reveals numerous references to the docks as 'Tilbury Docks' in the past and I think 'Port of Tilbury' is a relatively recent construct, perhaps derived from the Port of London Authority. There's a brief article in The Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911 ('Tilbury Docks'), which is in the public domain, that might serve to start the article off perhaps. I remember the cruise liners docking at the terminal but I do not know what is happening now. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed the info on the Port of Tilbury. The new article for the moment is simply word-for word as the original: it will need a good deal of work to make it into a coherent whole. I shall then make this article more comprehensive on the town itself Peter Shearan (talk) 06:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Port article rewritten Peter Shearan (talk) 07:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why no separate article -

message: Having removed the Port section, I have now rewritten the article to conform with the Wiki suggested pattern. I have removed both the paragraphs on Travellers and Skinheads: the first, according to the reference that was supplied, talks about Thurrock - it does not specify Tilbury: if it does mean that then there should be a better reference. The second is surely now in the past (25 years ago): even if it means that there is a meeting up of participants. Perhaps a short sentence under history if thought to be very important? IMO both the above only show what a terrible place Tilbury is - is that the intention?  
Questions:
* where is the secondary education for the town? Any private education? Tertiary (colleges?)
* is the Band the only cultural aspect? Some sports information? Library? 
* Where do people go for work locally? (needs a note under Economy) 
* Demography needs an entry: population etc
* any notable people?
Peter Shearan (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes on rewrite

message: I agree that the name for the docks, and the settlement around them, was taken from West & East Tilbury, or perhaps from the rather closer Tilbury Fort.  But the article reads as though the settlement was known as Tilbury Town.  I don't think it ever was, and I lived in Grays between 1950 & 1965.  My Grandfathers built much of the workers apartments (the dwellings) in the 1900s, and I never heard them call the town anything except Tilbury or very occasionally Tilbury Docks.  The first homes built when they were councillors were Tilbury Gardens, by analogy with Welwyn Garden city. (Not a convincing analogy, in my opinion).  
Tilbury Town was the name of the railway station, named so by the railway company to differentiate it from Tilbury Riverside, the sadly-gone steamer terminal at the ferry crossing point.
I notice that Thurrock council use the name Tilbury Town in their web site | here but I'm not convinced.  After all, the name of the first local authority was Tilbury District Council.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Plain Tilbury is certainly the most common usage even today. It does result in confusion with older sources that use the name Tilbury to refer to either East or West Tilbury - eg Queen Elizabeth's speech. Tilbury Town probably does derive from the railway station, but it has become a more general, although less common, usage. I have removed the term Tilbury Town and substituted town of Tilbury. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology? 

message: I have uploaded the requested photo - File:River-front-at-Tilbury.jpg. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo request 

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