Talk:Piaggio PD.808

message: An example of this type appeared in the film The Shoes of the Fisherman as the Pope's official aircraft. The film itself is the reference for this. Roger (talk) 07:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:AIRPOP and WP:MILPOP for guidelines on determining that. But unless the appearance is especially notable to the aircraft, which must be asserted by a reliable source (not the film itself) I don't see it being notable. - BilCat (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how I read the guidelines too - thanks for the links. It's trivial unless a reliable source makes a big deal of it for whatever reason. So it stays out unless such a source is found - not that I'm going to search for one, I have bigger fish to fry. I just happened to see the movie last night and found this article after googling "Piaggio-Douglas" which was on the fuselage in quite big lettering in the movie. I didn't recognise the type - in the "long shots" it looked to me like a baby Sabreliner. Roger (talk) 10:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

text: It is a rare appearance of a rare aircraft, as only 24 were buitl, and 22 used by the Italian AIr Force. Are/were you able to get the aircraft registration number? That might help to track down who owned the aircraf tused in the film, be it the IAF or someone else. It's possible an aviation source wrote about it circa 1968, and some searching of online archives might turn up something. "Jack" (I don't remember his username, but I'll try to find it) has done some good work digging up old sources, and he might be able to help. - BilCat (talk) 11:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=184204-ShoesFisherman19.jpg they were only two civil aircraft I-PIAI and I-PIAL operated by Piaggio, I-PIAI crashed in June 1968 but looks like the registration in the image. I assume the image is from the film! MilborneOne (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that image is definitely from the film. The Papal coat of arms is visible on the forward fuselage, though partly obscured by the wingtip fuel tank. Roger (talk) 15:53, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film appearance notable or trivial? 

message: I find it quite ridiculous that the film itself is not an acceptable source for something that appears in the film. 
It is exactly analogous to asking for a reference to a quote from a book but prohibiting the use of the book itself as the cite. 
If it is the consensus that this film appearance is notable because of the rarity of the aircraft then I don't see why there is a demand for a source outside of the film itself to verify the fact that the aircraft appears in the film. 
Notability and verifiability are separate issues. Roger (talk) 16:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable source

message: Could you tell me where you find the name Vespa Jet in the source?
Franjklogos (talk) 09:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Also appears in flight in 1962 https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1962/1962%20-%200367.PDF it is unlikely that Flight would make up names it has no need to. The article does make it clear it was the original name during the development which was presumably dropped and not used when the PD.808 went into production.MilborneOne (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Who cares?  If Flight makes up a nickname, it's likely to stick. BTW - Piaggio split the aircraft and scooter companies apart in 1966, which is well after this. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Vespa Jet