Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Minnesota

message: List here lost properties that have been confirmed from a published source.  These should be reported to the Minnesota Historical Society for delisting.
*Blue Earth
**Zieglers Ford Bridge—Removed in 1995.
*Rice
**Laura Baker School—All original buildings razed.
*St. Louis
**Church of St. John the Baptist (Virginia, Minnesota)—Demolished around December 2018. -McGhiever (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Demolished

message: Besides the three sections above, these are the only properties whose coordinates I am less than 99% sure of.  In 2012 and 2013 I fine-tuned the coordinates for every MN NRHP listing to be spot-on.  These remaining properties are probably correct but have resisted confirmation through aerial or street view imagery. -McGhiever (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Coordinates unverified

message: Use this section to list issues that don't fit in any other category. 
*Big Stone
**District No. 13 School—Moved to grounds of Big Stone County Historical Museum (per site visit Sep 2013; haven't found a citable source). -McGhiever (talk) 02:43, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed what happened to it: In 1984 it was moved to Lake Washington County Park for use as a pedestrian bridge. The move was never "pre-approved" for the move as per NRHP procedures (documentation, approval by State Review Board, approval by the Keeper), and it was apparently automatically removed by the Register--though SHPO continues to show it as listed, at the old location; and the state bridge plan shows it as listed, at the new location. According to a January 11, 2011 by Dennis Gimmestead (Cultural Resources Unit, Office of Environmental Services, MNDot) it needs a new nomination to re-list. --Bobak (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Other issues

message: These properties were delisted due to loss from demolition, fire, etc.  They remain in need of a photograph, which could be solicited from a historical society or other institutional donation.
*Becker
**St. Benedict's Mission School
*Benton
**Ronneby Charcoal Kiln
*Big Stone
**Shannon Hotel
*Blue Earth
**Mankato Holstein Farm Barn
**Oscar Schmidt House
**Winnebago Agency House
*Brown
**New Ulm Roller Mill Complex
**Ruemke Mercantile Store
**Tivoli Gardens (Minnesota)
**Twente Farm Elevator and Granary
*Carver
**Iltis Brewery and Ice House
*Cass
**Julius Neils House
**Sixth Street Commercial Building
*Chisago
**Aaron Diffenbacher Farmhouse
**Johnson Block
*Dakota
**Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad Depot (Dakota County, Minnesota)
**Horticulture Building (Minnesota)
**Jacob Marthaler House
*Douglas
**Osakis Milling Company
*Faribault
**Constans Hotel
*Freeborn
**John Niebuhr Farmhouse
*Goodhue
**Kenyon Opera House
**Julia B. Nelson House
**Roscoe Store
*Houston
**Houston County Poor Farm
*Hubbard
**Hubbard Lodge No. 130
*Isanti
**Farmers Cooperative Mercantile Company of West Stanford
*Itasca
**Itasca Lumber Company Superintendent's House
*Jackson
**Heron Lake Public School
**Winter Hotel
*Koochiching
**Scenic Hotel
*Lac qui Parle
**Hotel Lac qui Parle
**Andreus Thoreson Farmhouse
*Lake of the Woods
**Spooner Public School
*Le Sueur
**David Patten Farmhouse
*McLeod
**American House Hotel
**Ansgar College
*Meeker
**West End Elevator
*Morrison
**O. A. Churchill Store
*Murray
**Murray County Courthouse (Slayton, Minnesota)
*Nicollet
**Bridge No. 6422-Saint Peter
*Nobles
**Faith Milling Company
*Olmsted
**Cutting Barn
**Hotel Zumbro
**Charles H. Mayo House
*Pine
**Bridge No. 1811 over Kettle River
**Cloverton School
**Pine City Naval Militia Armory
*Redwood
**Delhi Coronet Band Hall
**Lamberton Farmers Elevator
**Milroy Block
*Rice
**Church of St. Patrick-Catholic
**Dump Road Bridge
*Rock
**Close Brothers Land Company Tenant House
**Worthington and Sioux Falls Freight Depot
*Scott
**Bridge No. L3040
**Merchants Hotel (Shakopee, Minnesota)
**Reis Block
**Roehl-Lenzmeier House
*St. Louis
**John Harris Hearding Grammar and High School and John A. Johnson Grammar School
**Otto Johnson House
*Stearns
**St. Cloud Post Office/City Hall
**St. Cloud Public Library (demolished in 1981, listed in 1982?!)
*Steele
**Clinton Falls Mills and Dam
**Kaplan Apartments
**Owatonna Water Works Power Station
**Steele County Courthouse (1874)
*Waseca
**Seth S. Phelps Farmhouse
*Washington
**Heath Summer Residence
*Wilkin
**IOOF Hall (Rothsay, Minnesota)
*Winona
**E. L. King House
**James P. Pearson Steamboat/Julius C. Wilkie Steamboat
**Stockton Mill
*Wright
**Albertville Roller Mill
**Marsh Octagon Barn
**Middleville Township Hall
**Titrud Round Barn
:There are two Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad Depot (Dakota County, Minnesota), although only one that's listed is a former NRHP site. So if you people don't mind, I'm going to split that redlink between Farmington and Hastings. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  17:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Lost delistings needing photo

message: These properties were delisted because they were moved or altered, compromising their historical integrity.  They may still be standing but their current locations are unknown.  It may be useful to add their current coordinates and possibly a current photograph.
*Blue Earth
**Adam Jefferson House–Moved to North Mankato in 1987.  Historical photo.
**Kennedy Bridge (Mankato, Minnesota)–Moved in 2006.  Photos.
:Bridgehunter posting from 2010 says bridge dismantled, not yet reassembled elsewhere. -McGhiever (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Possibly standing delistings needing coordinates

message: Some properties, particularly archaeological sites, are listed by the NRHP as "Address restricted" to protect them from looting or vandalism.  There is a placeholder image used for these in county lists, but it may be possible to acquire specific images for some of these listings (for example, from a historical society or the Institute for Minnesota Archaeology, artifacts from the site now in a museum, or a historical marker).  Moreover some sites are more publicly accessible than the NRHP listing suggests (marked with interpretive signage in a park, for example) and could be given coordinates and a site photo.  
*Aitkin
**Malmo Mounds and Village Site (21AK1)
***Northwestern quarter of Section 32, Township 45 North, Range 25 WestAufderheide, Arthur C., et al.  "Health, Demography, and Archaeology of Mille Lacs Native American Mortuary Populations".  Plains Anthropologist 39.149 (1994): 251-375: 273.
*Benton
**Posch Site (21BN3)
*Cass
**Chippewa Agency Historic District
**Gull Lake Mounds Site (21CA37)
***"There is some archaeological interpretation in the Gull Lake Dam Recreation Area visitor's center"
***46°24'43.29"N 94°21'4.79"W -Whittaker, Timothy.  American Indian Mounds 1.0
**Hole-in-the-Day House Site
**Old Backus
**Rice Lake Hut Rings
**South Pike Bay Site (21CA38)
***South Pike Bay Campground, Chippewa National Forest.  No marker or interpretation per site visit 7-6-2016. -McGhiever (talk)
*Chisago
**Archeological Site No. 21CH23
*Clearwater
**Lower Rice Lake Site (21CE5)
**Upper Rice Lake Site (21CE4)
*Cook
**Fowl Lake Site (21CK1)
*Cottonwood
**Mountain Lake Site (21CO1)
***Presumably somewhere in Mountain County Park.  No marker or interpretation per site visit 7-2-2014.  -McGhiever (talk)
*Crow Wing
**Fort Flatmouth Mounds
***8 linear mounds beside Cross Lake.  However marked on a map of Crow Wing State Forest around .
**Gordon-Schaust Site (21CW83)
***"Two separate linear mound groups which lie almost parallel to each other. Located in a wildlife sanctuary on the south end of Cross Lake. N.E. 1/4 of Sec. 32-137-27."  However, possibly  based on configuration of roads in map on pg. 62 of [www.osa.admin.state.mn.us/documents/LiDARreportEdited.pdf Archaeological Prospection for Precontact Burial Mounds Using Light Detection and Ranging (LiDAR) in Scott and Crow Wing Counties, Minnesota], which doesn't look like a wildlife sanctuary. -McGhiever (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Address restricted

message: I shifted the Willard Bunnell House link from Winona to Homer, because the house is actually in Homer, which borders Winona. I am gathering solid material now toward creating the Bunnell House article very soon. Hurrmic (talk) 14:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Willard Bunnell House (Winona County)

message: Drafting at National Register of Historic Places listings in Minnesota\temp...if this turns out okay i would like to insert it into this list-article, as has been done for some other state RHP lists.   This main list-article is a bit large, currently.  If the remaining 20 or so small counties were table-ized, it would be too large.  Is it okay if i move out to separate pages, some of the remaining larger counties? doncram (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved out the remaining counties that had 20 or more listings.  A couple with 19 already were split out.  Still too big.  Need to split out all others with more than 15 listings, and then perhaps those having exactly 15 listings, i think. doncram (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Draft tally table of MN RHPs by county 

message: Doncram added statement on where to find the entries for Minneapolis and Saint Paul. This should help many readers, especially those who don't know the state's largest city is in Hennepin County and the Capitol is in Ramsey. Another editor has removed it on the grounds of inconsistency. I think the benefit to the reader of being able to quickly find the Twin Cities in the long list outweighs inconsistency, particularly since so many listings are there. Jonathunder (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems more than reasonable to me and, fwiw, there's precedent for this type of thing in the New Jersey and Delaware lists (there may be others, but those are two of which I'm aware). --sanfranman59 (talk) 01:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation aid 

message: Due to the slow page-loading for this list, built up by more photos being added all the time, i think it's necessary now to split out more of the counties.  That is, to create separate articles for Aitkin 10, Dodge 10, Lac Qui Parle 10, Mower 10, Nobles 10, Waseca 10, Big Stone 9, and Isanti 9 counties.  Hope that is okay. --doncram (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting out counties with 10 and 9 sites 

message: Are they counties without any places listed not yet researched, or do they just not have any historic places in them? Sarah.Angela97 (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of Minnesota's 87 counties has at least two sites on the register, all of which are shown in the county lists, though not all of them have articles. Jonathunder (talk) 23:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counties Lacking Historic Places listed 

message: These properties were proposed to be removed from the National Register by the State Historic Preservation Review Board when they met in August 2018:
*Albertville Roller Mill, Albertville, Wright County
*Cloverton School, New Dorsey Township, Pine County
*Columbian Hotel, Ortonville, Big Stone County
*Delhi Coronet Band Hall, Delhi, Redwood County 
*Hebeisenb House, Hamburg, Carver County
These are listed on the agenda for the November meeting:
*Commercial Hotel, Wabasso, Redwood County
*Itasca Lumber Company Superintendent’s Residence, Deer River, Itasca County
*Minnewaska Hospital, Starbuck, Pope County
-Jonathunder (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed removals 

message: Hi User:Jonathunder, others, does anyone have means to identify works by architect Lorenzo M. Boardman in the Minneapolis area?  He apparently worked in the area for 30 years.  An editor is keen to know.  I tried browsing in the sources in historic district articles in Minneapolis, but many of those sources are not available online. --Doncram (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll check some print sources. -McGhiever (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Lorenzo Boardman architect

message: Is this the kind of research that determines every site in the National Register? I came across this assessment (p. 309) by accident. I've never heard of Mead & Hunt before (they have 40 US locations and wrote other works cited in Wikipedia) but am taken aback by their sources and conclusion. I guess they talked to or read Patty Dean (MNHS) and Chris Osgood, and they cite Wikipedia at least twice. That's an unacceptable gut punch of a record. Why didn't Mead & Hunt ask Martin Keller? Andrea Swensson? Jon Bream? Chris Riemenschneider? Sorry but I had assumed that the register used reliable sourcing that is better than Wikipedia's sources.
-SusanLesch (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like the results of a study for potentially historic properties that would be impacted as a result of construction for the Southwest Corridor transit extension.  I get the feeling they weren't exactly looking to add a lot of properties to the National Register, but rather they wanted to cover all the bases for the draft environmental impact statement.  I'd be willing to bet that if First Avenue wanted to put their building on the National Register, they could make the case that it's significant either for its architecture or for its role in the Minneapolis music scene.  I get the feeling that these days, a lot of National Register nominations are about getting tax credits or financial assistance for historic preservation.  I just wrote about the Amhoist Tower, which was built in 1984 and recently added to the National Register, even though Larry Millett didn't even write about it in the AIA Guide to the Twin Cities.  I'd love to see the IDS Tower listed on the National Register, since it's arguably more famous.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Another question, . Do you happen to know if the Strutwear Building across from U.S. Bank Stadium is the same building in which Seymour Cray began work on the CDC 6600? Before he moved camp to Chippewa Falls. 501 Park Avenue where Control Data started seems to sit underneath a Minnesota Vikings longhouse. I agree the IDS Tower should be listed and really this Control Data history should be too. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Strutwear building might be associated with Seymour Cray and with the CDC 6600, but sources disagree.  I'm looking at a December 22, 1981 article in the Minneapolis Star (from newspapers.com), and it says that he designed the CDC 6600 in a lab that Control Data built for him in 1962 in Chippewa Falls.  But, a November 12, 1961 article says that engineers were working on the CDC 6600 in the Strutwear Building.  The National Register nomination for the Strutwear Building doesn't say anything about Control Data, only saying that Strutwear ended operations in the building in 1958.  So, I'm taking the guess that even if part of the design of the CDC 6600 was done in the Strutwear building, the building's notability for the National Register doesn't cover that.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that nomination form. I walk past Hess & Roise when I'm in Minneapolis and next time might knock. A search for Strutwear finds Robert M. Price wrote that as "a matter of historical record", the CDC 6600 was "well underway" before the move to Chippewa Falls (p. 36). Mr. Price worked for the company in 1961 and later was CEO. I understand that the Strutwear strike was an important event but gee whiz. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , today I tried to reach Hess Roise about Seymour Cray and the CDC 6600 at Strutwear. They seemed to take the message. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who does NRHS research?