Talk:List of English-speaking Quebecers

message: Most people in the list have their own articles where with birht-death dates and other biographical information. As such, a lot of info given in this list is unnecessary and makes for an ugly list to read. Perhaps splitting into seperate sections based on occupation (e.g. politicians, musicians, business people, etc.), leaving just the wikilinks to the bio articles like it is done in many other List of people articles, would be preferable.--Boffob 19:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary bio information 

message: This List was proposed for deletion in November 2023, on the basis that there were no criteria for inclusion on the list and it was simply a list of people with English last names who had some marginal connection to Quebec. 
After discussion, a consensus developed that the fact that there is a well-documented article on the subject (English-speaking Quebecers) supported a list of English-speaking Quebecers, but the list needs clear criteria for inclusion, consistent with WP:LISTCRITERIA:
:"Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources."
For the discussion, see: 
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English-speaking Quebecers
Based on the discussion, I would suggest that there are three criteria for inclusion on the list:
:1 The person was resident in Quebec for some period of time;
:2 English was the primary language the person used while in Quebec;
:3 The person meets the general notability requirements and has an article about them.  As well, if they have left Quebec, their notability includes their activities or career in Quebec.
The reason I suggest these criteria is that the category of "English-speaking Quebecers" is a linguistic criteria, not an ethnic one.  If a person ceases to live in Quebec, particularly if they moved away from Quebec at a young age, they may no longer qualify as an "English-speaking Quebecer".  Even if they are generally notable, they should not be included in this list unless they are notable for their activities while in Quebec.
One other point is that the starting point for inclusion on this list is July 1, 1867, the date the province of Quebec came into existence.  To be included in this list, a person needs to have been active in Quebec after that date.  (This is not a comment that there were no English or French speaking groups prior to that date, but the adoption of a clear start date for the category, since it is tied to residence in Quebec, not an ethnic affiliation.)
I would welcome thoughts, comments, and suggestions;  this is just meant as an initial draft.
Once we have reached a consensus, I would suggest putting the criteria as the lead to the article.  It would then be necessary to go through the article and cull individuals who do not meet the criteria, particularly the requirement that they be notable for their activities in Quebec, if they have subsequently left.
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there has not been any objection to these proposed criteria for inclusion on the list, I have created an introductory section on the List page, and have set out the criteria there. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion on this list 

message: I'm working my way through the list, and have deleted several individuals that were born in Quebec but left and are notable for elsewhere.  I'll put individuals here that might be judgment calls.  Thoughts?
* Elie Abel - born and educated in Quebec;  grad studies in US;  journalist, with some time with the Montreal Gazette;  but bulk of his career in the US.  I'm inclined to delete, since the time with the Gazette doesn't seem particularly notable.
* Ben Addelman - born and educated in Quebec, did his first film as a student project;  can't tell from the article if he still lives in Quebec?
* Melissa Altro - born and educated in Quebec;  article doesn't say if she still is in Quebec?
* Jay Baruchel - born in Ottawa, grew up in Montreal;  extensive film career;  article doesn't say if he still has a Quebec connection?
* Daniel Bayne - if there is a consensus on clear start date of July 1, 1867, he should be deleted.
* Don Ferguson (actor) - clear Quebec roots, and he worked for CBC, but article doesn't say if that was in Quebec?
* Naomi Klein - born and raised in Quebec, but can't tell from the article if she has had a Quebec presence as an adult?  Currently lives in BC.
* James McGill - if there is a consensus on clear start date of July 1, 1867, he should be deleted.
* John Molson - if there is a consensus on clear start date of July 1, 1867, he should be deleted.
* Conrad Poirier - article lists him as Québécois, and his last name is French;  nothing in article suggests he's an English-speaking Canadian?
* Sam Roberts (singer-songwriter) - born and education in Quebec, where he started his first band;  not clear if he has any ongoing connection to Quebec?
* William Shatner - born and educated in Quebec, left at a young age, but has been given an honorary degree by McGill?
* Rufus Wainwright - raised and educated in Quebec and started band there;  not clear from article if he still has any connections to Quebec?
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would count Jay Baruchel. He continued living in Montreal even as he was getting Hollywood roles and only left in 2015, mostly for work reasons. He's also very vocal about his Montreal roots, still considers himself a Montrealer at heart (all per this article) and seems to be accepted as such by others even after his move: the Montreal Gazette calls him "the Montreal actor" and CTV Montreal calls him a "native son". — Kawnhr (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this.  I will include refs based on these cites for him. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added "strikethrough" for individuals whose status has been resolved, one way or the other. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible deletions - Edge cases