Talk:2003 Cuban parliamentary election

message: The election data here uses the words "Voto unito" (united vote) and "Voto Selectivo" (selective vote), from Cuban Spanish, does that translate as 'Yes vote' and 'No vote'?  BruceHallman 15:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think thats block votes and individual votes, Bruce. The majority of time pressured Cuban would tick approval for the whole lot and be done with it. Whilst the selective voter would go through only ticking candidates that they approved of. In the early 90's I believe there was a drop in these figures to something like a 75% average, as Cubans thought the game was up. So Castro relaxed a load of conditions, suppressed the party and opened a safety valve as he is wont to do. --Zleitzen 16:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'wont to do' actions you describe are that of a polititian, more than an authoritarian, I think.   Also, there is certainly some interesting 'polling' information to be gleened from that data.  Not that I am advocating original research, but I do think that the data could be presented better so the readers could see it clearly and reach their own conclusions.  BruceHallman 17:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interpreting election data 

message: Xtra and PMA have inserted a link to "show election" on three occasions. The reasons given appear to be original research, ignoring Wikipedia policies on verifiability. As we have not been provided with any evidence that these elections are "show elections" - the article should not be linked in that manner. To echo comments higher up the page, I am quite happy to engage in any serious discussion about the Cuban electoral system - and the body of scholarly work analysing this process. However it is not possible to discuss these points with editors who have not quoted any primary or secondary sources, and appear to be relying solely on personal opinion. --Zleitzen 00:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again? I never did before. I reverted because the edit summary said one thing and the edit actually changed more. Xtra 03:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please address the issues of requests for citations and discuss this matter before reverting the page.--Zleitzen 03:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You accuse me of something and then ignore my reply? Please! Xtra 03:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am asking you to provide verifiable sources to substantiate the claims made on the page. It's a simple as that Xtra, and it is the golden rule of wikipedia.--Zleitzen 03:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again ignoring my reply to your accusation. I did not add the things you are requesting a citation for. I do not know where they specifically cam from. However, many of them can be found elswhere and are general knowledge. Xtra 03:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There are plenty of people on the WWW with opinions about whether the Cuban elections are a 'sham' and not.  'Sham' is a value judgement, relying upon, in a large part, which type of democracy you prefer.  To achieve WP:NPOV you need to describe the subject matter neutrally, with verifiable facts.  Just exactly how do you prove a value judgement as a fact?  BruceHallman 14:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't report on the Truth, because there isn't anybody here who has it.  We present, instead, the verifiable opinions of appropriately credentialled individuals and organizations.  TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's certainly the only way to present any factor relating to the presentation of Cuba. Cuba is a completely unique nation. From the island's geographical, political and economic relationship with the world's largest superpower, down to it's entirely homegrown political structure. What many people assume is "the truth" about Cuba actually turns out be something contradictory and problematic based on often deliberate misinformation. Therefore there can be no room for "received wisdom". We must stick to verifiable sources and scholarly research for everything. --Zleitzen 18:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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