Talk:Fort Snelling

message: :-- geoWIZard-Passports 11:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: * Giacomo Beltrami - Upper Mississippi River Basin mapping expedition in 1823
* Fort Scott National Historic Site - Supplied by Fort Leavenworth wagon trains 
* Stephen H. Long with the Permanent Indian Frontier Army's Topographical Engineers
* Patrolling the Indian Frontier
:-- geoWIZard-Passports 12:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: The census says there are 0.09. Kusma (討論) 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there any females living there? 

message: "Snelling was considered to be a reasonable commander—when he was sober. He was susceptible to becoming angry when ill from chronic dysentery, and he left the installation in September 1827 when recalled to Washington. He died a year later from complications due to dysentery and a "brain fever"."
I don't need to look at the wikipedia standards to know that this is not the correct style to be using.  And while it is funny, and I did laugh out loud, I don't think it's what should be here... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.247.152.4 (talk) 03:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-encyclopedic style 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: I was incorrect in my edit. Pike Island is in Ramsey County, and the little squiggle of land where the Minnesota River added a new path during a flood years ago and thus is in Dakota County, the remainder of the Fort Snelling unorganized territory is in Hennepin County. All land in Minnesota is located within a county. Check out the official Hennepin County section map at https://www.hennepin.us/residents/property/historic-and-current-section-maps. The closest I could find on the Ramsey County website is https://www.ramseycounty.us/sites/default/files/Elections%20and%20Voting/Maps/County%20maps/RamseyCountyPrecinctMap11x172018.pdf. Pike Island is indeed within the city limits of Saint Paul, see https://stpaul.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=21c68099a3124881b4411859ff66c3e3. A quick map of the portion of Fort Snelling that is Dakota County is at https://www.lakesnwoods.com/temp/FtSnellingSquiggle.PNG
Look at http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/general_ref/cousub_outline/cen2k_pgsz/mn_cosub.pdf, pages 14 and 15: Fort Snelling abuts Ramsey County, but it doesn't extend into it: the entirety of the Ramsey County area is St. Paul, and an unorganized territory can't be within a city.  Meanwhile, it's not at all in Dakota County; Lilydale officials would likely deny that there's any unincorporated area where their city lies.  At the same time, consider this population estimates page: Fort Snelling is listed exclusively in county 53, which is Hennepin County.  Nyttend (talk) 03:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's some confusion about what this article is about. There's Fort Snelling the unorganized territory, Fort Snelling the fort and then Fort Snelling the surrounding land including the state park. The unorganized territory might only be in Hennepin county but Appraiser is correct in that the land associated with the fort stretches into all three counties. The National Historic Landmark for example is for the fort and not the territory. I think this article might need to be split into separate articles to avoid confusion. Any thoughts? ~ Eóin (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to confine it to this article, and see if there's enough info for more than one article. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking that this article needs some work to explain the different areas of the fort. Pike Island is definitely in Ramsey County, is within Fort Snelling State Park, and is historically significant.  Picnic Island is in Dakota County, is within Fort Snelling State Park, and is historically significant. This discussion began due to changes to :Template:Ramsey County, Minnesota and :Template:Dakota County, Minnesota. It's hard to me to understand the argument that these islands shouldn't be represented in their respective county templates. Looking at detailed maps, they certainly are as I described and the islands are "unorganized territories." Why remove those areas from the county templates?--Appraiser (talk) 22:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything geographically within a county should certainly be in its template. I'm just saying this article shouldn't be splintered, as I doubt there's enough material to justify it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After looking at some maps I think I understand the issue. Fort Snelling the statistical entity is located solely in Hennepin County, however the state park and the conventional idea of  Fort Snelling are in all three counties. The problem right now is this article is too focused on the statistical entity. I think the article should be split up with "Fort Snelling, Minnesota" being about the statistical entity and an article named just "Fort Snelling" about the fort and its historical significance. Thinking of Fort Snelling as a statistical entity is rather outdated, it appears the only residents are that of the VA home. I don't think the amount of material justifies a split but combing these articles is rather confusing. No one refers to Fort Snelling as a territory but rather as the fort and state park. ~ Eóin (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When you watch their film at historic Fort Snelling, they treat all of it as a continuum. I don't see the point in splitting it out if they don't. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  County/counties 

message: The captain's quarters at Fort Snelling, as stated on the PBS program History Detectives, is the oldest standing structure in Minnesota. Badagnani (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest standing structure 

message: The picture used the the info box is out of date. The Flag is no longer mounted on top of the round tower but is off to the side. Could the picture be replaced with this one or one like it?
http://flickr.com/photos/mnsomero/2935051334/in/set-72157607432421214/
--Myotus (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it a free photo? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the licensing listed on the page it  it is creative commons licensed. I believe this tag should work. --Myotus (talk) 04:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace Outdated Picture in Info Box 

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message: I'm rather confused about dates and terminology.
If the fort was decommissioned in 1946, how could it still serve to be the headquarters for a brigade up to 1994?
Does the brigade being a "reserve" one make a difference.
I thought that once something was decommissioned, it was no longer used and no longer "officially" part of the military/service; even in "reserve" capacity.
If I'm missing something, I think that other non military/service people will also be confused.
Can this be clarified?
Or am I still missing something? 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: When Minnesota became a state, the army sold it to Franklin Steele in 1858 for $90,000. When the American Civil War broke out the Government commandeered the fort for the War Department as an induction station. Franklin Steele made a very tidy sum with the U.S. government buying it back as he almost went bankrupt with his land speculation. The War Department decommissioned Fort Snelling a second time on 14 October 1946. Myotus (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decommissioned and Deactivated 

message: The article reflist shows the attached link as a "dead link" when it works fine here.  Cans someone explain please.
Thank you.Mcb133aco (talk) 01:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: There's been a lot of confusion about this: Fort Snelling is an unorganized territory of Hennepin County, not with respect to the United States of America. Minnesota was not admitted as a state with any exceptions. You'll find it along with the many other unorganized territories in Minnesota, not in territories of the United States. You can see this on official state maps: [ The issues of land cessions and treaties apply to a much larger area (all of Minneapolis?) than the current territory within Hennepin County. —innotata 17:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unorganized territory 

message: The article states, "It ceded 155,320 acres of land in the area (400 km2)." But 155,320 acres is not 400 square kilometers, and the book I have here in front of me states, "They ceded about 100,000 acres, according to Pike’s estimate, valued by him at $200,000." Awhit003 (talk) 01:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same book referenced by the article. Awhit003 (talk) 01:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History - Land session treaty