Talk:2007 World Championships in Athletics

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message: I've taken the liberty of adding all CR, WR, PB etc for past World Championships, at least as recorded by the official results on the IAAF site. There were a few errors, notably with the walk times, but generally everything looks accurate.
However, there is one major discrepancy and now that presumably this page will be paid a lot of attention, perhaps the community out there can address this: What is the status of the 2001 men's 4x100 relay gold won by America that year? As the page notes, Tim Montgomery's 100 m silver was rescinded due to the Balco scandal, but the RELAY gold is still listed as America's on the IAAF site (in contrast, when Kelli White lost her medal in 2001, so did the 4x100 relay team and that is reflected on the IAAF site.)
Today, I received a mailing from Track and Field news, their preview for each event of the 2007 WC. And in the past winners section, the men's team is listed as 2001 winners, the women's team is not. Does anyone here have something official stating that, indeed, the men's relay team also lost their gold, as that is what we have on the 2001 page.
AND... it would be great if someone fixed up the 1997 WC page to make it look like the rest of the pages. Canada Jack 16:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SA awarded 2001 worlds gold medal. Probably official enough. It's also said here at the official website. Sam Vimes | Address me 20:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1997 WC page has now been cleaned up (by someone else) and now is the format of the other 10 WC pages - and, for the first time, includes the actual times distances and points achieved! Canada Jack 02:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up of past WC pages

message: Why is there a separate section for relay teams? Punkmorten 09:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know I think it would be deleted, or moved to a "Participants of the 2007 World Championships in Athletics" or a article like that.  Chandlertalk 13:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the latter, at least..! Separate results pages will be created for each of the four relay races, when they are held. Punkmorten 14:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should there? if you look at the 2005 for example, they're all under Track. There's not need to over make articles about this World Championship. You could make a article that is more indeep with all participants in every sport all trails, semis etc. all results for everything... Why should the relays be singled out? they're not more important than anything els. Chandlertalk 14:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? See 2005 World Championships in Athletics - Men's 4 x 100 metres relay, 2005 World Championships in Athletics - Men's 4 x 400 metres relay, 2005 World Championships in Athletics - Women's 4 x 100 metres relay, 2005 World Championships in Athletics - Women's 4 x 400 metres relay. Punkmorten 15:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those pages arent even linked to anywhere but to themselfs... But it still doesnt explain why the Relay section is here... the other sports doesnt have the participants on this page. Delete them, and make a non-linked page if you want. Chandlertalk 15:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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replies: text: Chandlertalk 07:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: It's possible that corrections are necessary for this page, or possibly to other, conflicting pages. I don't know which it is. This article lists in table form under Men's Results three medal-winners for the 20 km Walk: Jefferson Pérez (Gold), Hatem Ghoula (Silver), and Eder Sánchez (Bronze). I know Pérez really did win, but I sort of thought Sánchez finished second. The individuals' article pages don't help, though. Jefferson Pérez shows he won gold, but Hatem Ghoula says Ghoula won bronze. The article Eder Sánchez doesn't mention medals at all; in fact, it says he came in fourth.
Can someone check these and fix the incorrect page(s)? I can't find anything online yet about the results except for Wikipedia, otherwise I'd be bold. If this page is wrong, the Medal Table at the bottom needs correcting, too. Thanks.  -John Hosking 85.2.229.205 11:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the thing, when I added the scores from here Francisco Javier Fernández was not there. and if you looke here Spain hasnt gotten a medal there. So i dont know whats right or wrong, IAAF will have to update further (who ever heard of ppl finishing on the SAME second in walk, for second place?) Chandlertalk 11:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  (bottom of the page) found some more, it appears that Spain has protested the disqualification of Francisco Fernandez. And got right. So we'll have to see what decided with medals etc. Chandlertalk 11:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah, nice. And now all five (this and the first four finialists') articles are both in agreement and correct! Good work. -John Hosking 85.2.202.177 06:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections (?) 

message: I've been adding medal boxes to all World Championships medalists (going back to 1983) and have established a template that seems to have been pretty well adopted as the medalists from 2007 emerge. I simply standardized what was being done in most places, and there is now a consistent style for all WC medalists. If you want to see the template and styles which I have adopted, check out my page.
AS it stands, ALL WC medalists from 1983 to 2007 have had their medal boxes standardized, or have been given a medal box. I've not added pages to those medalists who lack one. Canada Jack 15:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal Boxes

message: I notice that the use or non-use of metric units in results (ie. Isinbayeva vaulted 5.75 m but Lebadayev jumped 7.03) is not consistent.
As a point of style and consistency, all the past World Championships OMIT the use of "m" as it is understood that the unit used is meters. Similarly, the used of "s" to indicate seconds is not used as the unit in question is understood.
While I am sure there is a good argument to be made to include the units, in my view we already have a de facto style and therefore should omit the units. Canada Jack 15:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistent use of metric units

message: What constitutes a major upset? I know I shouldn't be harsh because it was contributed by a newbie, but really it seems like pure WP:Original Research deciding what was and wasn't an upset.  Peter Ballard 12:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I notice that Tyson Gay's 100 m win is there. But this hardly was a "major upset" since numerous observers picked Gay to win! Such as Track and Field News. There may be some "majorly upset" track fans, upset that their favoured athlete bonked at the games, but I don't think it is our place to denote what victories were "major upsets." It's enough to note that a victor was not one of the leading contenders according to the opinions of track experts.Canada Jack 14:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it could be noted in the event summary. Just remove the section, it was not hard work anyway. Punkmorten 16:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Upsets section 

message: 203 of the IAAF's 212 member federations entered a total of 1,978 athletes, the greatest number of any World Championships to date - the greatest number of athletes, or the greatest number of federations?  Corvus cornix 17:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both, I believe - though I can't confirm it. The IAAF did have a comparison page but I can't find it. If someone could confirm and then rewrite that line to end the ambiguity, that'd clear things up...Canada Jack 19:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed and (correctly) referenced. It was ultimately a record number of athletes, but not nations. Gr1st 21:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.  Thanks, Gr1st.  Corvus cornix 01:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I checked that, and it is not true anymore. to date means this would be record right now, which it is not. The 2009 World Championships had 2101 athletes which is more than these 2007 games had. This mention should now be in the 2009 WC article, and this changed to something else. 82.141.127.50 (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
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