Talk:Alpha Delta Pi

message: The information on this page is graciously provided by Alpha Delta Pi, in order to maintain a factual Wikipedia entry it is kindly asked that you verify any major information changes by contacting the Associate Executive Director at aed@alphadeltapi.com Added by ImmortalGoddezz at the request of ADPi Associate Executive Director
Remember that while this person is likely to be a knowledgeable and helpful source of information about ADP, the Wikipedia community determines the content of this Wikipedia page through its users and numerous processes. Brholden 21:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editors note

message: :Users do not "own" wikipedia pages.   
* 1) If there is currently any copyrighted material, please promptly delete that material (certainly not the whole page).  Note that the page has been modified over 100 times and as such is (or was) not a copy and paste from the site.  Also, facts are not copyrightable; for example the fact that the Woodland Violet is the official flower of ADP is not copyrightable.  A particular expression of that fact is what is copyrightable.  You should expect that any content will be modified relentlessly by the community going forward.
* 2) If you wish to, add a  template to a wikipedia user name that corresponds to either your username or the username for the above noted associate executive director if that person is going to be the maintainer. 
* 3) Read the comment in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Maintained which says that page maintainers do not "own" the page and that other users are not forced to "clear" changes with the maintainer.  It is more that maintainer is an recognized expert in the subject area whose opinions should be given somewhat more weight.  There are distinct limits to this weighting.  For example, if there was a paragraph about some past scandal at ADP, it would be inappropriate for the maintainer to delete that paragraph even though it wasn't favorable to the image or current "party line" of ADP.  That sort of deletion would likely be quickly reverted and the credibility of the "maintainer" would be brought into question. Thanks  Brholden 17:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Just to make this clear, I did not claim to "own" this or any other wikipedia page. Granted, I've been in an edit conflict over a notable alumnae recently but even that it has remained civil and I have asked the member to wait until I receive verification from ADPi before reinstating the alumnae as a notable. Disregarding that I have been watching this page and trying to bring it out of copyvio status for some time, I have been in contact with the sorority to see what is permissible to take directly from the site (See links below for copyvio examples). The tag I have placed is at the request of the ADPi Executive Director, which I will change to reflect a more open attitude as accepted by wikipedia. Anybody has the right to add, delete, and edit this page, it is Wikipedia after all, and I am not suggesting that people should not edit this page. As for being out of copyright status, despite the number of edits it still remains the same. For example: Symbols, Timeline, Founding of, Founding of, unless I am wrong sections from these pages are pretty much copied word for word. The timeline I slimmed down so it only included the highlights of ADPi's illustrious history. I hope this clarifies things for both you and others. Thank you. --ImmortalGoddezz 18:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ownership of this page

message: This whole page is basically copied from ADPi's website. Given their web policy I'm unsure if it's actually a copy vio, but I'm emailing them to find out. --ImmortalGoddezz 20:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please promptly delete any copyrighted material. Also, see comment above.  Thanks Brholden 17:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given their vague and ambiguous copyright policy on their webpage it's not clear if the information is in fact copyrighted. Which is why I contacted them in the first place. If it was clearly a case of copyright infringment I would infact delete the info, or place a  tag on it. Thank you. --ImmortalGoddezz 17:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My suggestion is "if in doubt, throw it out".  Things on websites generally are copyrighted by default (without needing to be marked as such).  It is probably better if you assume that anything copied from their website violates their copyright and just delete it or rewrite the same material in different words to produce a page that meets WP:Copyrights.  Thanks Brholden 21:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I am aware of the copyright policy as I am not a new editor to wikipedia. I do understand that most things are copied straight from the website, but in this case I was not looking to verify information but to get use of the coat of arms and pin image. That's where most of this has come from. Since then I've been in contact with the sorority about the page I don't see the point in deleting the information or rewriting it at this time, but that's just me, and if you or others want to feel free. Since the coat of arms, and pin (" the badge, as well as the name 'Alpha Delta Pi' and 'ΑΔΠ'" ) are registered trademarks of the sorority I wanted verification that I could use them in the first place. Since obviously this is a bigger problem to some people than what I ever thought it would be I will just ask for their permission to use the copyrighted material via boilerplate. --ImmortalGoddezz 22:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation