Talk:Enlil

message: You forgot to write that :
Enlil was the older boy-child of Nammu and An.
He raped his future wife and sister : Ninlil.
They got a boy child from this union : Nanna.
Enlil and his young brother Enki fought , but we dont know the end of the story. It seems to be the same story than of Cain and Abel.
sources :
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mythology/assyrbabyl-faq/
I read the original Ninlil Enlil text, and it sais that Nergal the was the result of this unholy union.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novoneiro (talk • contribs) 06:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Older brother

message: I've read a bit about Enlil while looking some of the comparative mythology associated to the story of Adam and Eve. There should maybe be a note added on how he might be related to this. ADM (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adam and Eve

message: In the last paragraph of Cultural History, the mortal surviving the flood is named as Utnapishtim. I believe the name comes, as the link suggests, from the Epic of Gilgamesh, but the story itself is older, and in the original, his name is Atrahasis (after whom the story itself is named). 85.29.68.97 (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utnapishtim/Atrahasis 

message: Two remarks:
- The meaning of Enlil's name derived from its Sumerian rendering en.líl, may be "Lord Wind", but the original meaning arguably was completely different: "God of the Gods", borrowed from Semitic (Eblaitic?). See W.G. Lambert, "The Section AN", in L. Cagni (ed.), Il bilinguismo ad Ebla, Napoli, 1984, 399 ad 802; M. Krebernik, Die Personennamen der Ebla-texte, Berlin, 1988, 84; Th. Jacobsen, "The Lil2 of dEn-lil2", in  E. Leichty et al. (eds), DUMU-E2-DUB-BA. Studies in Honor of Å.W. Sjöberg, Philadelphia, 1989, 270; P. Michalowski, "The Unbearable Lightness of Enlil", in J. Prosecky (ed.), Intellectual Life of the Ancient Near East, Prague, 1998, 241 f.; P. Steinkeller, "On Rulers, Priests, and Sacred Marriage. Tracing the Evolution of Early Sumerian Kingship", in K. Watanabe (ed.), Priests and Officials in the Ancient Near East, Heidelberg, 1999, 114 n. 36.
- Therefore the Sumerian evidence for Enlil's relationship with "wind" and "breath" becomes crucial. However, the reference in note 2 does not provide information to that respect, or it is not easy to retrieve that information on the webpage provided here. Could someone give a more detailed reference (number of the tablet, for instance)? Thanks.
Heunir (talk) 19:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enlil, Lord Wind 

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message: I have my doubts on the image that is now used as the depiction of the god. On wikimedia commons it states that the image depicts Enlil and Ninlil from a mural of Susa which is now located in the Louvre; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EnlilandNinlil.jpg However I looked at the original on the site of the Louvre and they don't even mention Enlil. They do mention Samas which some may argue is son of Enlil. But further then that I see no connection. Could the image be removed? (the louvre link: http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/panels-molded-bricks).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quirogatnonerat (talk • contribs) 15:34, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Does anyone know of a reasonably well-identified ancient Mesopotamian depiction of Enlil? The only image on Wikimedia Commons is the one that was removed because it does not actually represent Enlil. I have found some other images on the internet claimed to be "Enlil", but none of them are confirmed in reliable sources. In fact, in all the sources I have looked at, I have not seen a single ancient representation identified as Enlil. I have basically just rewritten the entire article and I am hoping to nominate it as a Good Article nominee, but I would like to have at least one image of what the ancient Mesopotamians imagined Enlil looked like. Does anyone here know of any such depiction? --Katolophyromai (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Are there any known genuine Mesopotamian depictions of Enlil?

message: 1.
The article gives a translation of Enlil's name as Lord Storm and cites two sources, Daily Life in Ancient Mesopotamia and Halloran's Sumerian Lexicon version 3.0. I have checked both. 
I accessed Daily Life in Ancient Mesopotamia using Google Books. The cited page, p. 182, contains "lord wind" but not "lord storm." Furthermore, a search of the book for "storm" reveals no instances connected to Enlil's name as such.
Halloran's Lexicon does define en as lord but gives the following for líl:
líl: n., wind; breath; infection; spirit (of a place); back or open country (reduplicated li, 'cedar scent'?)
v., to infect.
Furthermore a search of the lexicon from the other direction - for English storm - reveals various words: chiefly imi / im / em, uru, mer / mir / gur, and compounds of these. I found no instances of English storm in the lexicon linked to líl or to any compound of líl.
http://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf
I am replacing "Lord Storm" with "Lord Wind" because both the sources cited to support "Lord Storm" do not appear in fact to do so.
2.
I am a bit dubious about even "Lord Wind" for two reasons: one, I didn't see any weather-related compound words at all Halloran's lexicon that included líl, and two, the secondary definitions given above lead me to suspect that líl may be wind in the sense of "breath/spirit" rather than in the sense of movement of air due to weather (cf. Latin spirare, "to breathe," whence English spirit; thus in the sense that a living thing has breath). This leads me to think that a better translation may be something like Spirit Lord (or, taking some liberties and jumping off from the priestly rather than lordly sense of en, Holy Spirit). However, lacking expertise in Sumerian or more importantly sources I feel reluctant to go further than removing Lord Storm for lack of sources at this time. I would much appreciate any input/sources on this second question.
(p.s. as an ending note, I will add that lilu is given as an Akkadian word for spirit in the sense of a supernatural creature on this encyclopedia, and the page lists Sumerian equivalent lili - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilu_(mythology) )
Aithiopika (talk) 22:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a followup, I will restore mentions of Storm to the etymology section since further reading has indicated it has been read this way by some, particularly earlier 20th C. German scholars, even if there is not a consensus reading. Aithiopika (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both sources cited to support Lord Storm do not support it. Furthermore, even Lord Wind, though supported, seems dubious.