Talk:Promotion and relegation

message: What is the best promotion record? or the worse relegation record? it the football (England) system. Although it it theoretically possible to move up 36 divisions to the premier league, has any team made it up significantly? I am sure some football pundits would know this, and it would make a good addition to the article. Just a thought. Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.47.64 (talk) 00:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment

message: It is worth noting that relegation does exist in a limited sense in some college sports in North America.  The Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (EIVA) -- www.eiva.cc -- does this.  The Tait division (highest level) last place team gets relegated and the top team of the Sweeney and Hay Divisions (of equal standing) gets promoted.
The following statement has been removed from the text.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.48.9 (talk) 13:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Relegation

message: I question the first sentence of this article, which says that most of the world's sports leagues, with the exception of North American pro leagues, use P&R. For one, it's not just pro leagues that lack P&R in North America; it's almost all leagues at all levels. Secondly, considering the size and wealth of the United States, there might be as many sports leagues in the U.S. as there are in Europe. Finally, as discussed at professional sports league organization, not all leagues outside of North America have P&R. -- Mwalcoff 01:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Most" sports leagues? 

message: Overnight I have re-sectioned and rephrased the entire article. And improved the explanation or argument by introducing some new material. None of this makes it more wikipedic. (For example, all but the first clause, nine words, of this long sentence is original to me overnight: The NL's dominance of baseball was challenged several times but only by entire leagues, after its first few years; five new leagues after 1882 all tried with eight clubs, the established norm, a prohibitively high threshold for a new venture. There isn't much peer-reviewed historical writing on baseball and I am not in a position myself where I must publish this or perish.)
I agree, the article sprawls. 
At the same time, I agree with its insight(?) that "Promotion and relegation" should not wait for this sort of historical account to grow within articles on baseball's NApbbp and NLpbbc. The open question, to me, is where historical accounts fit in the set of articles that now includes at least {Professional sports league organization, Major professional sports league, Promotion and relegation}.
I agree, it presents original research.
--or unresearched conventional wisdom, in some combination, who can say? While rephrasing the newly-distinct baseball section, I have not put it in the past tense, which would obscure its theorizing nature. (The NL baseball system "would permit the owners ... and give them ... those would guarantee ...") --P64 17:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article Structure and Scope 

message: Beside documentation, the article needs more on the developmjent of the system within the FA. (maybe supported by other promotion/relegation examples but there seems to be 'pedian consensus that the FA is crucial) In other words, this article doesn't need less history, it needs more history with shift of spotlight on P&R rather than the supposed North American alternative.
For example, this is woefully short on details regarding annual election of lowest members vs automatic relegation. (In rephrasing thoroughly, I had to guess the meaning of the final paragraph.) Annual election of n lowest members is a version of annual election, specified by designating that the N-n highest members have a votes. That isn't promotion and relegation system, so the historical part of this article needs more, probably needs more both on the election era and on the transition. Since this is straight history of English football, which remains a major sport today, I presume that numerous authors have covered it.
On the period prior to football league, the basic criteria for membership and for FA Cup participation should be noted. For example, was it necessary to constitute a club(?) formally? Had Parliament defined clubs throughout its jurisdiction? --P64 19:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree; the article is on promotion and relegation in general, not only in the UK. Such content should be place in the FA article, or a new subarticle, not here. It is already too biased as it is. The hole non relegation systems section is as long as the rest of the article, and the part on USA history seams off-topic to me. Mariano(t/c) 07:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is needed? more FA history 

message: Inverness Caledonian Thistle F.C. have never been relegated BobbyAFC 10:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICT 

message: In the section on "Early football leagues in England" (near the end of the article), there is the statement "When the Football League was founded in 1888" with "the Football League" being linked to the article on the current Football League, encompassing only the Championship to League 2. In my opinion, this is a different football league to the one that was created in 1888. Should this link be replaced or removed? Squidgyegg 15:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Football League link 

message: In the section on early baseball, the author wrote:
The capitalist founders of the new League judged that in order to prosper, they must make baseball's highest level of competition a "closed shop" with a strict limit on the number of teams, each member having exclusive local rights.
I think "capitalist" is being used as a perjorative here, and is unnecessary.  It doesn't add anything to the article, but it sure did catch my attention enough to make me sign up for an account.
Mattvsmith 05:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Capitalist" as a perjorative 

message: Its very soccer heavy, seriously poor in terms of refs and poorly laid out. Murry1975 (talk) 06:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soccer heavy 

message: Rapid and Austria Wien never relegated ( always in the Austrian first level since 1911 )         151.75.84.137 (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rapid and Austria Wien never relegated 

message: I was hoping the article would discuss more explicitly the effects of relegation and promotion have on clubs. For example, is being relegated seen as an embarrassment and disgrace, or just how the game is played and it doesn't really matter? Is it better to be the top of a lower division, then near the bottom of the top division? Do sponsors tend to drop out of relegated clubs, and start backing promoted ones? What impact does relegation have on the clubs finances, morale, fans, support, staff, and so on?
Ouizardus (talk) 16:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effects of Relegation & Promotion 

message: The article does go into a lot of notice on leagues not having P&R. There should be a little more emphasis on what P&R does and where it does exist. 
However, I think there should be a mention that the new Women's Super League, also does not have relegation/promotion, despite there being a league system below, as was the original plan for the English Premiership. Lee Vilenski(talk) 13:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe Super League