Talk:X (Mega Man)

message: Seeing as Copy X is a different character from the Original X altogether, should this article really go into detail on Copy X's Seraph Armour and Angelic Form? I think it should be stripped out and replaced with a brief mention of Copy X. Wolf ODonnell 14:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Copy X has his own article. Do it there, as this article is already saturated enough with information regarding the character. -ZeroTalk 14:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. -ZeroTalk 14:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Copy X]] Material 

message: Although there is a lot of good work here, this article falls well short of the featured article criteria and significantly short of the good article criteria. The biggest problem is that it does not meet the conditions of WP:FICT - it seems to be written almost entirely from within the point of view of a fictional universe. It also fails to meet the conditions of WP:LEAD - not enough context is provided in the introductory paragraphs. An additional problem is that it doesn't meet WP:REF or WP:RS.
To give you an example of what is seriously wrong at the moment, "X was created by Dr. Light in the year 20XX and sealed in a capsule for diagnostic testings" is silly - X was created by Keiji Inafune! And it certainly shouldn't be described that way in the "history" section... Further, the introduction doesn't even mention that X is a video game character. You could read this article as far as "weapons and abilities" without realising it's not about a cartoon character!
Some ideas that could help:
*Try to write from a point of view outside the perspective of the fictional universe
*Can you include details about the process of authorship? Which writers or creators developed the ideas behind this character? What did they base it on? How original is the idea? Is it based on something in real life? You ought to be able to verify this using reliable sources.
*What has the influence of the idea been outside this fictional realm? Have any other game designers professed to "adapting" ideas like this for their shows?
*What about critical response to the character? Perhaps you can talk about the gameplay aspects?
To help you along, here are 3 really useful links:
*User:Uncle G/Describe this universe (Gives the right philosophy for writing about fiction in WP: Describe this universe! Keep that at the centre of all your writing on this topic and you'll be fine.)
*Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Check your fiction (pretty much the official guide on what is required of articles about fiction. Helpful but a bit dry!)
*User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction (Funny and useful! A must-read for anyone writing about fiction on Wikipedia... I guarantee you will find it helpful.)
You also need to consider your references carefully. Whenever a claim like "In the manga by Iwamoto, X is somewhat less of the heroic image he is in the games" is made that needs a specific citation - who believes that he appears less heroic in the manga? "X has shown the most development of any character" doesn't say which characters he is being compared to and is, again, a subjective opinion that needs a specific citation. The references section is not correctly formatted. All external links used as references should have (as much as this is possible) the author, date copyrighted, and without fail the last date the URL was accessed (e.g. a good example of a linked reference would be this: 
:"German Sept 11 theory stokes anti-US feeling", Kate Connolly, November 20, 2003, telegraph.co.uk (URL accessed 6 April, 2006)
The link to www.gamefaqs.com needs to link to the specific subpages used in the article. A fansite doesn't reach WP:RS unless it is only being used to cite the opinions of fans - i.e. to describe the way fans have reacted to the character.
It might be a good idea to look at Spoo, which became a featured article. Read through and look for all the "encyclopedic" qualities of the article - not just the humour, but the fact that it had extensive inline references, all the references were reliable, authoritative sources, not just fan-sites (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources), it was written from the point of view of "this" universe, it considers in depth the process by which the idea was created, and it looks at the real-world impact of it. This shows that there is no reason an article on a fictional topic can't make it all the way to featured article status, but you have to do a lot of work, including extensive research, to get there!TheGrappler 19:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well Spoo is not a fictional character in article format, so I instead used the artice Wario as a guide, which follows a fairly simplistic way of conveyance. I've made changes to the article attempting to address your qualms as well. -ZeroTalk 13:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: I have recently reviewed this article & found that it meets the criterion for being a good article. So I have promoted it to GA status. My congratulations to all the contributors for doing a fine job.
Cheers
Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 01:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jolly good! -ZeroTalk 04:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA promotion 

message: The Light Armor and Giga Armor have overtly fanon names. I don't have a big problem with fanon as long as it's really, really common fanon; can those names be sourced to anything approaching a reliable source, preferably a site without "Mega," "Rock," or a reference to a robot master in the name?
Without a source, we're probably better off just calling them Mega Man X armor and Mega Man X2 armor. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: Currently, there's both a sprite and a scanned artwork for each image; this isn't kosher, as neither is actually discussed in the prose. Personally, I'd prefer a screenshot that showed a special ability of the armor, but, failing that, do we want scanned art or sprites, since we really can't have both? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Is there a reason we have to explain the specific abilities of every single part in this article? This is approaching game-guide levels, and isn't encyclopedic for the same reason that the Robot Master abilities were removed from Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Game guide

message: Done up to X3 and  is in use up to X5, and I'm gonna call it a night. X4 has a tangled plot (that's about where it starts getting more complicated than "Here's the guy who's secretly Sigma's pasty, ZOMG HE'S SIGMA'S PATSY, Sigma gets shot in the face, end"), and I have stuff I'd rather be doing offline.
Anything jump out as problematic for the plots of X through X3? I'm gonna be really annoyed if I go without any reply here, but come back tomorrow and see a wholesale revert with no explanation outside of the edit summary. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just finsh the citations when you return. Your edits thus far have been fine. -Randall Brackett 22:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretty much done for the night 

message: Pure original research (analysis sourced only to primary sources). This needs to be sourced to a secondary source, or the analysis needs to be ditched. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality 

message: Sorry, but I'm too busy right now to do so, and if anyone has any free time, that would be swell. This infomation comes from Tim over at Mega Man Network, which is from an offical source book entitled "Rockman Zero Complete Works". This infomation retcons a sizeable amount of past information, and much of the articles surrounding these characters need to be changed to reflect the new information. 
- Zero is not the original carrier of the virus. Hell, Dr. Wily didn't even engineer the thing.
- Dr. Light created the virus as a means of pacifying his creation, X. This "virus", which in actuality is called a "suffering circuit", keeps X calm and creates his hatred of violence.
- Zero was built as a pure raging homicidal maniac, so we can just infer that Wily completely circumvented the Rules of Robotics with his creation.
- Zero got the virus at some point*, and it does to him what it does to X, in that it suppresses his violent tendencies and makes him "good". Zero becomes a Hunter as Sigma's mental state deteoriates (I think it's inferred, if not stated, that Sigma gets the virus from X. How he becomes the carrier and eventually the virus itself is either not explained or not translated yet).
- The reason Mavericks become they way they do is because they can't handle the program in its raw form. They go insane because of it, which circles back to the potential cause for irregular behavior being some sort of design defect that X and Zero don't have because they are the originals.
- Zero is sealed away at some point in the X series era.
- Zero's copy body is made during this timeframe, and his memories transferred (the mysterious scientist in X6's ending?)
- Zero wakes up in his copy body to help X fight in the Elf Wars.
- Weil, as we know, finds Zero's body and builds Omega around it, because Zero is "immune to the virus". Perhaps that cleansing worked?
- Dr. Weil had corrupted the Mother Elf in his own way of doing good, because he wanted the Elf to destroy everyone he considered evil. Omega, who he created using the original body of Zero (that part wasn't retconned, thankfully), went overboard and killed 90% of Reploids/60% of humans instead. Elf Wars blamed on Weil, citizens of Neo Arcadia illegally banish him, yadda yadda.
- Guardians are killed at the end of Mega Man Zero 3, destroyed in Original Zero's explosion. Mother Elf shielded Zero and returned him to the Resistance Base.
- Zero 3 was initially slated to be the end of a three-game arc. Zero 4 was created, presumably as a way to bridge MMZ to ZX by killing Zero and setting it up for Models Z and X to be Live Metals with the other four Guardians (point explained below).
- Oh yes, Ciel and Weil's ancestors were once bitter rivals. 
the link to the thread where this infomation is given is: http://megaman.retrofaction.com/community/index.php?showtopic=3368&st=0&#entry68000 Zero X Marquis 19:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Information that Needs to be Assimilated Into the Article

message: The source given doesn't offer anything in connection to what is presented. I will remove the info if there is no explanation.--Neofcon (talk) 20:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't really a concern, as to do the things X does it is absolutely necessary that he have super strength.  For example, in order to jump several times his height, as he does in all the games, it requires him to have a certain degree of super strangth in his legs.  --Adroa  —Preceding comment was added at 15:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...he's a robot.  Are you implying that the cranes that hold I-beams have "super strength"? WiteoutKing (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Strength

message: The article link directs to the wrong site, and the actual Mega Man Network doesn't have this interview up anymore. Anyone have a copy or another source? SpeedBurner (talk) 19:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: X is not Mega Man

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Mega Man X (character)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "playmag":
From Mega Man 3: 
From Mega Man X6: 
From Mega Man (character): 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Mega Man X (character)]] 

message: *  Emphasis added. Sounds unnatural, so I've currently switched it to partnership.
*  To confirm, the following sentence,  is the reason why he had a difficult time with designing the character.
**Revised.
***.
*  Partly edited already. Just to clarify, they thought he looked "too evil" to be the protagonist and decided to soften his looks? Was his personality left intact or did that change too?
**Yep. Too violent. X is quite of a pacifist.
*** . Changed to "soften his looks".
*  Who's Suetsugu? I couldn't find an earlier mention of him in the article.
**Added
***.
*  Boldly edited. Just making sure the new armor was found in multiple Challenge Modes and not just one.
**Revused,
***. Added an apostrophe.
*  What is "doubts" referring to? X having doubts, his characterisation was dubious, something else?
**Like a conflicted warrior as while he is always fighting, he regrets killing.
***. Revised it to make the contrast more apparent
*  Who's Ito? I don't think he was mentioned before. I'm guessing he's from the cited source?
**Revised. It's the director of the first game.
***.
*  Emphasis added. What is a "first generation part" mean in this context?
**It's kinda retrospective. Yugi Mutou and X got their actors replaced as their series got new stuff.
*** .
*  Partly edited already. I'm thinking about making this a separate quote from the rest of the prose so that pronouns are being used correctly. What are the two or three sentences before the quote?
**Revised
***. Added a closing quotation mark.
*  I'm thinking about combining this sentence with the following one ( Is that why he was created by Dr. Light?
**Light's intentions are not properly explored. Apparently, he was created to just aid humans which is why his personality is kind of weak.
***. Reordered sentences and combined.
*  What was the first game called again? Might be nice to remind readers.
**Done
***.
*  Who's infected by Sigma? Zero or X?
**Revised. Sigma released a virus in X5 with Zero somehow not being affected. It tend turns out that Zero was once a Maverick but whether or not he turns into one depends on the route taken by the story. X5 has two routes. One where Zero goes Maverick and another where they remain friends
***. Also , as I removed some of the latter half of the sentence to make it less awkward.
*  Are the Mavericks infected by viruses or are the viruses infected by Mavericks?
**Yep. This mavericks are infected with a virus (this one is called Nightmare)
***.
*  X is the one who joins forces with Middy?
**Revised.
***. Did some more revising.
*  It's interesting, but it's not about X. It's probably better off in an article about Zero, but it could possibly be kept if it's combined with the following sentence,  What do you think?
**I checked your hidden note so I moved it with Infinite source to explore more his popularity.
***. Reorganised sentence to make it flow better.
*  This sentence looks orphaned; I'm not sure what sentence this is supposed to connect with.
**Can't find the source of iut
***. Removed.
*  Emphasis added. In what way is this new X "stronger"? 
**Well, this X kind of embraces more as he acts more like a leader.
***. Revised sentence to talk about his leadership role.
*  What noise is this referring to? Clashing colours, fan reactions?
**Seems pretty minor so I'm removing now that I see.
***.
*  Is this necessary detail? I could tweak it, but as it is right now it sounds awkward.
**What details though? If the entire sentence feels unnecessary feel free to remove it.
***. Removed details about the armors but mentioned them as a parenthetical thought in the sentence.
*  While I see the video in the source, this could be more neutral in wording. Capcom is giving him a new installment? I would call it a trailer instead of a demo, but this seems like an unnecessary detail.
**Trimmed it and tried a more formal word. Discontent sounds well?
***. I replaced it with "many were displeased". How does that sound?
****.
*  How was the original Mega Man getting tiring? The art team was getting fed up with the character design?
**.
*  Emphasis in original. Are we talking about X's actions that he performs gameplay-wise or his actions in the story?
**Revised.
***.
Looking forward to your answers soon! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied to most of them. Giving the article a second revision myself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit request for GOCE 

message: Hello, I'm a user from the Mega Man wikia. This page should be moved to "X (Mega Man)" since "X" is the name of the character. "Mega Man X (character)" should be used as a redirect. 
Keiji Inafune already confirmed that his name is just X and not Mega Man X in a Q&A in reddit: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1n57hs/comment/ccfinr3/ 
Many English fandoms and the Japanese Wikipedia are also following this usage: 
https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/X
https://capcom.fandom.com/wiki/X
https://rockman-x-dive.fandom.com/wiki/X
https://www.ssbwiki.com/X_(Mega_Man)
jp:エックス (ロックマンシリーズ) "X (Rockman series)"
For more info read the talk page for X in the Mega Man fandom: 
https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:X#X's_name 190.21.37.224 (talk) 09:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. X (Mega Man) is a concise article name and I would support such a move. I note that a version of the character appears as a villain in the Mega Man Zero series, and is called Copy X. Mega Man Zero is technically a continuation and spinoff of the Mega Man X subseries, which itself is also a spinoff of the main Mega Man series. The question would be, is (Mega Man) an adequate disambiguation, or should we have (Mega Man X) with the extra "X"? Haleth (talk) 00:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should use (Mega Man) since this article not only covers stuff from the X series, the article is about the character in the Mega Man series as a whole, in the same way we have Zero (Mega Man). He is also a supporting character in the Zero and ZX series plus he has appeared in many crossover series. And like Zero, he is one of the most recognisable characters in the Mega Man franchise. 190.21.37.224 (talk) 07:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Support: The main character of the Mega Man X series is just called X and not Mega Man X, in the same way the main character of the Mega Man Zero series is just called Zero and not Mega Man Zero. 103.238.104.161 (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move page to "X (Mega Man)" 

message: In some cutscenes from the first game as well as the character select screen of X4, X is fully called Mega Man X. On the other hand, future installments liked Xover simply left him as X so I added the mention in the lead with the reference. Tintor2 (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming