Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 1

message: Would somebody write about Sonias education qualilification? The article does not give all information about her. 
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*This link is loksabha's official page. The information is official and authentic. Her educational qualifications are : Certificate course in English Language from Cambridge (U.K.). P.S Lalu yadav is a graduate.Kaushal mehta 08:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: John
Yohajohn 05:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The para on the volker report is factually incorrect. I original allegation in the volker report is Natwar Singh/Congress.
Which is interpreted as Natwr Singh of the congress. There is no allegation on Soni Gandhi or Congress, even by the BJP. This para doesnot belong. Its should at best be added on page of Natwar Sing or Indian National Congress (INC)
I will be removing this para after waiting for time period for comments
: You are a cheat and seem to be a paid servant of Sonia Maino. There are reports that she wrote a letter to Saddam Hussein and it names her party as the beneficiary at a time when she was the President.
:: Please try to discuss instead of flaring up. The 'reports' on Volker report only mentions Natwar Singh and Congress. Therefore it should be placed rightly on Natwar Sing or Congress page. If u look at the article on Indian National Congress. U will see that the article is already there. On ur point that she was president of Congress...Does that mean theat we have to put Tehlka scam and all other scam that tool place when A.B. Vajpayee was in government on the Vajpayee page. Definitely no. I believe only the ones on which the person has been directly been accused of should be put up. In fact bofors allegation is a more appropriate article to be put under title 'Political Accusation'.
::: I think it was a great idea, that the Volcker Report para was removed altogether. I saw it mentioning Sonia Gandhi, and immediately edited it, removing her name. I am glad the para is not mentioned at all now. And please ignore this person who seems to be from the RSS. Even POV is ok,but factually unproved stuff such as "Natwar Singh is the foot soldier for the Congress" should not be included in a Wikipedia entry. The post below has noted this, and I too had noted the use of term "freedom fighters", among those who opposed her prime-ministership. Who were these so called "freedom fighters"? I am glad that is gone too. The new article is much more balanced and fair.
::::Some idiot said "And please ignore this person who seems to be from the RSS.". I would like to tell that the Wikipedia is as much of the RSS as much it is yours. Why do you mean by "ignoring"? Is this Yahoo! chat? UPA-led government may not allow free speech but Jimmy Wales-led Wikimedia project DOES. Should I make some comments on your race, complexion and religion? Should I prophecy that you are a black Christian from the southern India? Please refrain from making such gross statements. RSS is a patriotic organisation for a majority of Indians. No fact would be concealed. Lastly, learn to sign talk pages after defacing them (just like I do...LOL). ;) ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 09:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Volker report Removal

message: I looked over some references on her father being mussolini supporter. It may be true, it may not be true. Rigjt now I don't have any authentic references for that point. So it will remaim deleted till it can be removed
:Here is an authentic reference: /*Quote*/ I ask him about Eugenio Maino's alleged Fascist sympathies. "That shouldn't surprise you. He came from Asiago not far from Vicenza in the Veneto region where nationalism was strong. He fought in the Russian campaign alongside the Germans and remained true to Fascist Nationalist ideology all his life. I have even heard it said that he belonged to the Salo Republic that Mussolini set up in 1943 after he was ousted by his son-in-law. That is what people say but I have no confirmation of it. He even gave his three daughters Russian names in honour of the campaign in which he fought. He venerated the Duce. Many still do," says Giovanni, referring to Italy's war-time Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini. /*Unquote*/ from 
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1509/15090140.htm
Authentic enough?
The author of the Hindu Times article (see link) made a mistake: "for to go to Orbassano one has to get off the motorway and drive a good 20 km or so up the road to Vicenza", Vicenza is to the East of Milan unlike Turin which is to the West. 
Article seems v.biased; the author found no evidence and few people willing to talk. He (journo) was left with a relative who didn't own up to being a relative and was rude to him, hardly damming stuff. Can you imagine how much media they have had snooping around? Yitzak99 02:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed line on supporter of Benito Mussolini 

message: This article also makes claims that Indians are so gullible that "that they think any person who puts Gandhi in his/her name is a saint" and that "worshiping foreigners comes easily to Indians." Warzonewes 20:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Biased Writing 

message: There are a ton of statements in the main article on controversial subjects that havent yet been cited. I'm leaving them in for the moment, but I would like to see some references soon. Hornplease 23:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Needed 

message: The allegations that are conitunally put in the article as "persistent" are not some that have been aired in the press as often as the article makes it sound. The reference provided is from a single article, and that too written by a BJP MP. If you can find a report or citation that indicates that this is a "commonly-held" belief, please cite it and only then reinstate the reference. I certainly have not heard it, unlike the often-expressed concern that she took 15-16 years to gain Indian citizenship. Hornplease 21:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite properly please 

message: The Wiki article and the official website of Ms Maino contradict each other.
Is it Lusiana or Luciana. 
Compare the results:
http://www.google.co.in/search?hs=7yr&hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=lusiana+italy&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.in/search?hs=1yr&hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=luciana+italy&btnG=Search&meta=
♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 09:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She was born in LuSiana. There's no commune in Italy called "LuCiana". The results you got are "poluted" by the female given name "Luciana". Dantadd 19:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was Ms Maino born? 

message: I just found an interesting article .
Author make a reference to another source (Evgenia Albats) who had an access to KGB documents and says: KGB chief Victor Chebrikov in December 1985 had sought in writing from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU), "authorization to make payments in US dollars to the family members of Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, namely Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Ms Paola Maino, mother of Sonia Gandhi." CPSU payments were authorized by a resolution, CPSU/CC/No 11228/3 dated 20/12/1985; and endorsed by the USSR Council of Ministers in Directive No 2633/Rs dated 20/12/1985. These payments had been coming since 1971, as payments received by Sonia Gandhi's family and "have been audited in CPSU/CC resolution No 11187/22 OP dated 10/12/1984.” I also found very similar information in the book The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World by Mitrokhin (see Mitrokhin Archive). Mitrokhin described in great detail how suitcases with KGB money traveled to Indira Gandhi office.  Is that something that deserves attention and should be mentioned in this Wikipedia article? Biophys 03:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bribed by KGB? 

message: I doubt that the transliteration provided is the correct one. The Italian name "Sonia" is usually pronounced [sonja] and not [soːnɪja]. The latter is a correct transliteration of the Hindi/Punjabi word सोनिया, which again is not her name, but the closest Indian approximation. For that matter, should the Devanagri name be included at all, given how her name is an Italian one. Gamesmaster G-9 19:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: This is a very very brief article for one of India's most prominent political leaders. Does anyone have any information about Sonia' role as wife of the Prime Minister. I know she used to campaign for him during elections. More on the Sitaram Kesri controversy, the Mamta, Madhav Rao, Sangma resignations on her taking over and the "renouncement" effect would be useful.
I am trying to add more substance and could do with help
Rohitde 19:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Little

message: Can any one clarify as to why following passage isn't encyclopaedic , a reason  for which it has been removed by Aksi?After all, great leaders like Sonia ji have great personal qualities about them that can't be ignored.
"Sonia ji has immense firm faith in Almighty. She listens only to her INNER VOICE.Thats why she gave up lucrative post of Prime Ministership of India! She is a determined lady with grit. Swami Apratimanand Ji had predicted on 14th May, 2006 that she would be "...defeated in Raibarelly election by Uma Bharati’s lady candidate. This shall be one of the most spectacular political upsets witnessed in the year 2006."Political situation indeed was against her in UP then.But, she proved Swami Ji's prediction wrong through her grit, determination and blessings of Lord Hanumana whose blessings she had sought by visiting Lord Hanumana's temple before contesting the election.She has blended herself perfectly with Indian spiritual milieu. She is a lady with a golden heart who cares tenderly for ordinary Indians. She has carved out a special niche on her own in Indian history."
Kushwah 10:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is encyclopaedic after all? 

message: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kushwah (talk • contribs) 10:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Overuse of the fact template is strongly discouraged. This page is an example of that overuse; I encourage someone to prune them down to a more relevant level. Hornplease 20:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fact template 

message: I want to tag the "Early Life" section with the weasel word template because of the sentence "avoided all contact with publicity." I'm not confident enough myself to entirely change the sentence, but it seems like a possible overstatement to me. 158.143.169.130 08:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel Words 

message: There seems to be some kind of subtle POV in the sentence about Mussolini's link to Sonia's father. What's the point of saying that Sonia Gandhi's father was a one time supporter of Mussolini. Lots of Italians of that time were ultra nationalists and in that vein they may all be fascists. --Shahab 06:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Also POV in "she was a very sincere student and studied hard" Amit@Talk 15:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: "They had a lot of flirting and finally Rajiv had to marry her and ..." Amit@Talk 15:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed it. Amit@Talk 15:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What the hell is this ...

message: I just cleaned up the 2004 election section because there was a ridiculous amount of anti-Sonia POV in this article. Saying Manmohan Singh was the "dummy" prime minister was just stupid. Let's really try to keep to the Wikipedia standards and keep this professional. This is NOT a place for your anti-Sonia xenophobic rantings. If hate her, that's fine, but keep it out of Wikipedia please. Thanks --Mezaco 17:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WAY too much anti-Sonia POV in this article, esp. regarding 2004 election

message: Editors are hereby warned that edits of the kind cited above ("what sacrifice has she done ..." amount to vandalism, and users inserting that kind of content are liable to be blocked from Wikipedia. Please refrain from making such unconstructive edits. Also please sign your comments on the talk page. Amit@Talk 06:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Section "Dispute with Left Parties" was removed by user Blnguyen.
Can we please know why such an informative section was removed?
It contained a lot of references to genuine websites and hence can not be treated as somebody's personal opinions.
This section was not abusive, was not having Vandalism and more importantly was NOT anti Sonia.
Please refrain from removing informative sections just because you do not agree with them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslam1234 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the section again as it was totally out of place in this article. The relevant details of the Nuclear deal are present in the United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act article. Please don't add it again. Thanks. Amit@Talk 08:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not "bossing here", I removed it because a portion of one of Sonia Gandhi's speech doesn't constitute a signficant enough detail to be included here. I'm sure you could add plenty of trivia about her, but this is not the place for it. I think I have adequately explained the reasoning. There's no question of bias here as the portion in question was neither pro or anti-sonia, it was just superflous. As I said, the positions of various parties involved in the nuclear deal are mentioned in the relevent article. Cheers! Amit@Talk 13:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also I find it very interesting that it is you who is speaking against vandalism, since you have made edits like "she enjoys the company of many men ..." before in this article. Amit@Talk 14:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well it's good to see you admit to making edits that are not "genuine". The paragraph you added was unnecessary and of poor grammatical quality, and you are welcome to "take this entire matter to the concerned people in wikipedia", though I seriously doubt you would do that with your kind of edit-history. Amit@Talk 15:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks a lot, Mezaco for clearing the issue. The portion in question here was not abusive but unnecessary detail, besides being poorly structured; that's why I removed it, but some people seem to have made it a prestige issue to have it in the article. That's all. Thanks again. Amit@Talk 03:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why genuine sections are being removed? 

message: Someone had added an image of Reese Witherspoon with the caption "Sonia Gandhi in her early days". Please let's not do this. Amit@Talk 10:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Har har :-/ Amit@Talk 04:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No Jokes Please

message: <rm per WP:BLP and discussion at WP:ANI.>
:Stop bullshiting and vandalising the article, or you will be liable to be blocked Amit@Talk 03:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any reference for this?