Talk:College-preparatory school

message: I am pretty sure that in the UK, a prep school is a primary school - it prepares for secondary, not for higher ed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarquin (talk • contribs) 20:09, 19 August 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK/US 

message: Should we move the Commonwealth-related stuff to Preparatory School (as in, properly capitalised)? It might make things clearer than having a set of sections to do with US-style and Commonwealth-style schools so very intermingled...
James F. (talk) 10:34, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split out content? 

message: Prep schools do not pay more than public schools, they typically pay less.  For example, a teacher at the top-notch prep schools in Boston, New York, Philly, and DC with five years' experience and a master's degree makes about 45,000.  A teacher with the same experience and level of education in a top-notch publich school makes about 55,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.60.132 (talk) 00:29, 4 January 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article would be improved by including some common criticisms of prep schools such as the above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.207.194 (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is an interesting comment, it seems unlikely but I'd like to see the source you're referring to, it would certainly warrant a change to the document that suggests the opposite is true. Sapoguapo 16:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Teachers pay

message: An anonymous user has added the Top Ten Ranked preparatory schools.  Based on what exactly?  Is there a link to a source?  How was this ranking generated?  Does this section belong? Knoma Tsujmai 23:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, and I've removed it, since it is unsourced and probably copyrighted. — Dan | Talk 00:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Time magazine had an article about the top private schools in America, though I never read the article jcarkeys 23:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Top 10 list?

message: Perhaps there should be a comment on the meaning of the term - or rather about its near meaningless nowadays. When this term arose (18th/19th century?) only elite schools systematically prepared students for college, but now pretty much every high school does. Hawkestone 17:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of the term

message: The implication that religious prep schools are somehow less academic than others is absurd. Many of the finest prep schools are run by relgious orders, espc. the Jesuits (No, I did not go to a Jesuit school) but also other Chuches and Religious groups. Pelegius 23:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious prep schools

message: The first paragraph is wrought with biased language ("At preparatory schools, tuition is used to pay excellent teachers and provide enriched learning environments", "Where public elementary and secondary schools, by design, teacher and administrator apathy, or simple neglect, are failing many students who wish to matriculate to university, prep schools ensure such progression"). Consider moving such discussion to a section called "Support and Critiques of Prep Schools" or something of the sort. This especially got me: "Thus, prep schools are, because of their differing mission as compared to public elementary and secondary schools, both academically dissimilar and academically superior, in both method and substance, to public elementary and secondary schools." Regardless of the basis in fact, that statement is purely opinion. Pvodenski 20:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * i agree, that first paragraph sounds like an advertisement for prep schools 69.249.46.86 01:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * I just edited the first paragraph to make it a bit more neutral, and I altered its content a bit beyond that. Sapoguapo 06:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: The American entry is puerile. I'll research the topic and contribute to entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLY111 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: SLY111

message: the last few sentences are poorly worded and thus somewhat confusing. They talk about host schools and doing work for the same, this seems to imply that some prep school are run as a adjunct to regular schools, with students enrolled in both. While perhaps this is true in some countries, it certainly isn't true in the US, and the juxtaposition with the final sentence about the number of prep schools in the US seems to imply a connection. Then there is the strange parenthetical comment about Puerto Rico, Alaska, and Hiwaii. The latter two have been states since 1959. In fact, I think this sentence more properly belongs in the US section, and why limit it to just the 50 states plus PR? re there prep school in other US holdings, like the Virgin Islands, Guam, etc.?Wschart (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening paragraph 

message: In section Spain, hastings school is given a wrong link (to some school in canada that goes by the same name) 78.1.130.216 (talk) 14:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong link

message: Australia has preparatory schools, yet there is no mention? Rfkzsaok7 (talk) 03:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: Prep schools are not exclusive to the private systems in North-America. Many school districts have specialized schools, including fine-arts schools, and university preparatory schools. Canadian Federation of University Preparatory Schools (CFUPS), Boston Preparatory Charter Public School, McKinley Preparatory High School, and Cody - Detroit Institute of Technology College Prep High School are a few examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanishedUser sdu9aya9fs785 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA and Canada 

message: This article was originally titled "preparatory school" until this edit on 16 August 2005 by User:The Tom. Google Books returns only 12,800 results for "university preparatory school" versus 88,500 results for "college preparatory school." Furthermore, skimming the results shows that the latter term appears to be more often used as the generic term for this category of schools, while most of the results for the former term appear to be referring to prep schools attached to specific universities which as a result have names that include the phrase "University Preparatory School."   Any objections before I move this thing in a few days? --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with suggested change.  Rjensen (talk) 01:03, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As over a year has elapsed without objection, I just took care of this. --Coolcaesar (talk) 01:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title should be "college preparatory school" because that is by far the more common term 

message: I would like to be bold and delete all the unreferenced sections. But the problem is bigger than that. There is nothing actually to document. Why? It is solely a US phenomena. The US has a tertiary system where students aim for one college then jump over the hurdles the college sets. The high schools have no selection (apart from paid v free), There is no evidence of externally monitored final subject examinations. I have seen students swatting up to do a CAT test that is divorced from their areas of study- the sort of deprecated Eleven-Plus non verbal reasoning test.  Elsewhere in the world the system is very different. The college-preparatory school existt in the US to paper over a US specific problem- but you cannot internationalise it by pretending that other systems have one. The need is not there. 
*UK none
*Italy- the liceo is one track selected at 14- nothing to with cramming. I suspect that this is the same in all systems calling one part of their selective system- Lyceum, Grammar or Gymnasium
*Germany- none
*France- none, 
The premise of this article is false, so re-cast the first paragraph with a good strong referenced definition- then make it US specific. Fantasies do WP harm. 
As always, I look forward to reading the debate.
ClemRutter (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur.  Most of this article is entirely irrelevant to what is a college preparatory school and should not be here. --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, to correct a misconception on your part: college prep schools in the United States are usually selective (they use the Independent School Entrance Examination or the Secondary School Admission Test or both) and offer a broad selection of AP or IB courses.   --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We have left it three months for comment- so I have started the cull! - I hope you have some alternative text in mind! I am locked into a different system. ClemRutter (talk) 11:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for getting that started. Looks fine so far, I need to think about how to revise and improve this further. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:00, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Hello, ClemRutter, I know that this is resurrecting an old discussion, but I would like to see what you mean by prep schools (in the US) existing to solve some problem. There is no objective definition of a “prep school,” rather they are widely seen as private, elite schools that are often quite a bit older than other schools in the country. Many private schools (and I would argue all public schools) are not prep schools, owing far more to lack of prestige than quality. I cannot speak for any other country, but in the US there is no prep school “system,” but rather a term to describe an elite phenomenon. Prep schools are completely different from test-prep programs run by the likes of the Princeton Review. In the US, those are typically called test-prep/tutoring services, and (usually) not called schools. Maybe an older version of this article conflated those two. Older, prestigious secondary schools certainly exist in other places, so I was wondering whether that phenomenon should be added into this article for European, Asian, etc. countries? AnandaBliss (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fantasy. Delete and start again? 

message: A search for "feeder schools" redirects here in a way that does not relate to what feeder schools are (lower level schools that feed into higher level schools... all at the pre-secondary level). If this could be fixed back to what was originally set up via the soft re-direct decision back in 2013, that would be great. For more on this, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Feeder_school.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleuthero (talk • contribs) 22:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feeder schools?