Talk:Charleston, South Carolina

message: "Where you exit I-26 onto Meeting Street in Charleston." Really. This is the best you could do? 24.211.215.187 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Caption

message: There are way too many lists in this article. Charleston is such a great place that I am surprised no one has tried to bring this up to featured article status. I am going to attck the lists and will make some entries here if anyone wants to discuss my conversions or deletions. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 01:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello! I have always thought that this article has sucked and revamping it has been on my to-do list for quite some time. I would not oppose you chopping off a bit of the history section and moving it to the other article. I have been watching what you have been doing with appreciation. Keep up the good work! Muttnick (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many lists

message: My first work on the lists was the list of marinas. I deleted this list for Relevance. A bulleted list of marinas does not seem relevant to an encyclopedic article on a place like Charleson. I did move the list to CharlestonWiki.org/?title=List_of_marinas, where relevance is not as much of a concern.
A list of current and past marinas could be relevant in an article on the maritime history of Charleston, if someone wants to take up that task. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 02:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Marinas

message: I deleted the list of neighborhoods and subdivisions based one Relevance. I cannot beleive that there might be articles in WP that have acheived either Featured or Good status that contain a list like this. Again I moved this list to CharlestonWiki.org/List_of_neighborhoods. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Neighborhoods

message: I agree with the sentiment (12 years ago) that this article is way overstuffed with lists. Most of them are headed with hyperlinks to full lists already. I'm not saying that the main article on Charleston needs to just be an aggregation of those links, but some severe winnowing needs to happen. Especially for lists that do not claim to be comprehensive (and really, really especially when there is a hyperlink to a full list elsewhere), I'd like to suggest trimming some of those. The list of notable people includes several people who are not really all that notable to start with and certainly no one associates them with Charleston. It's also a mishmash of historical people (colonial governors) to social media influencers. I don't want to lop off most of the entries, but does anyone have strong feelings about this? Or which (five or six?) are really characteristic of the notable people?ProfReader (talk) 00:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello! I have always thought that this article has sucked and revamping it has been on my to-do list for quite some time. I would not oppose you chopping off a bit of the history section and moving it to the other article. I have been watching what you have been doing with appreciation. Keep up the good work! Muttnick (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable People

message: I've removed this sentense: "It is also the second most productive port in the world behind Hong Kong.", for it didn't had any resource. I only found this on the internet ( http://www.crda.org/business/unique_advantages/port_of_charleston.html ), but that site only says that the port of Charleston is cited as such.--Robster1983 (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it probably won't be any more. Maersk has moved out of the port, and they were a large part of business. --Scouto2 (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Port of Charleston

message: I'm taking out the list of squares in Charleston.  First, there are still way too many lists in this article.  Second, Charleston is not laid out around squares.  In fact, there has not been a Market Square in Charleston for two hundred years.  Liberty Square is not really a square in any way but name.  And, Courthouse Square is not a square either; it is a street named for the land upon which the actual courthouse is built.--ProfReader (talk) 03:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Squares

message: A section should be created in sports for the Stingrays.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.238.160.2 (talk) 21:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stingrays Hockey

message: Should the fact that ghost superstition and tours are used in Charleston often be mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.206.39 (talk) 23:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not particularly.113.22.24.34 (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, if you can find a WP:RS discussing it. — LlywelynII 03:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Ghost (tours)

message: This section goes into pretty good detail about Charleston's Infrastructure, but nothing about the economy beyond mention of the Port.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.243.136 (talk) 07:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Infrastructure and economy

message: I have created a History of Charleston, South Carolina article, in which I have transferred the original components of the History section entirely into the new article.  In its place, I have shortened the section to hit the high points of historic significance and established clear historic periods.  This was done to shorten the main article and highlight the extensive history of Charleston, which deserved its own article due to its length and importance.  Smaller Beaufort (pop. 11,000) had a dedicated History article, as do other cities of Charleston's size and renown.
--Cdamgen (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanwhile, for what it's worth, you might like to visit the (admittedly very short) article on Henry Peronneau, and see if it can be referred to in your subsection on the Colonial period. TheAMmollusc (talk) 09:38, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Can someone please take a look at section 9.5 (museums, etc.)?  There is a problem with the bullet points preceding each entry.  I think that the introduction of the St. Matthew's photo has screwed something up, but I can't figure out how to fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.221.45.194 (talk) 17:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting problem 

message: The demographics section needs to be expanded.  The data on racial and ethnic groups does not correlate with 2006 estimations.   Would be willing to do this myself if no one's up to the task.  Thanks--(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please include the median income amount and other economic stats. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:36, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics section 

message: Should  be placed on this page to link to the disambiguation page for Charleston?  Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{t|Main}} 

message: Is there a userbox for Charleston? Allen (talk) 11:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: I know there is probably a specific statue or whatever but this article reads very pro charleston to me. Not that you need to be super neutral on an article as innocuous as this but some person with a whole lot of charleston pride greatly contributed to this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.228.135 (talk) 08:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone too pro-Charleston

message: While the Armed Services section is already quite thin, I'm curious why the Air Force and the Navy weren't mentioned in that section at all. (LadyKatie99 (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely because neither branch has facilities located within city limits. Air Force facilities are located in North Charleston and Navy facilities are in Goose Creek.   Cjmclark (Contact) 16:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But on the Airport section the Air Force is said to "shares [the] runways with the adjacent Charleston Air Force Base." If the airport is listed in the article, and in the article it talks about the USAF, then they should be included.--♠|RP|♠ 15:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This justification is pretty thin. It's one thing to include the airport, even though it's in North Charleston; anyone flying into or out of Charleston pretty much has to use it. Including the Air Force base just because it's mentioned in association with the airport is fairly tangential. If you were going to do this, you'd actually have to address it as Joint Base Charleston, because the entity known as the "Charleston Air Force Base" technically no longer exists – and now you've bought yourself into including the Navy facilities in Goose Creek (also part of the Joint Base), which are not even remotely in Charleston. It is the area's largest employer, so I don't mind inclusion as such, but it should be designated "Joint Base Charleston" and the article should specifically mention that its facilities are located in North Charleston and Goose Creek.   Cjmclark (Contact) 20:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Force and Navy excluded from Armed Services Section. 

message: I have twice reverted the addition of information regarding the Boeing Charleston Factory being located "at" the Charleston International Airport. Boeing owns the land that its facilities have been built on, so they are not part of the airport, regardless of being shown on a map of the airport. Furthermore, the airport is only listed here because it services the Charleston area, so the addition of the Boeing plant (located in North Charleston) does not add value to the article.   Cjmclark (Contact) 19:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: After looking into it a little deeper, Boeing is actually only leasing the land from the airport authority until its purchase of that land plus additional acreage is finalized later this year (see here). I'm still not sold that the plant warrants mention in the Charleston article, however, unless it's under the economics section, as Boeing is a major employer in the area. It certainly should appear in the airport's article.   Cjmclark (Contact) 19:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Okay. Now were getting somewhere. lol. Ill agree with you on the Economics section and the airport article. Economics is a must because it brought like 2,000+ jobs to the Charelston-"Metro" area.  ♠|RP|♠ 12:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? Of course it is "at" the airport. In this instance the use of the word "at" perfectly matches the definition of the word. Merriam-Webster defines "at" as "used as a function word to indicate presence or occurrence in, on, or near." So the Boeing factor is both "near" the airport, immediately adjacent the airfield, and "in" the secure fence of the airport. Boeing planes don't land "at" the airport and then call Uber to get to the factory. If you got a call tomorrow from a lawyer saying you inherited property "on" the Mississippi River, would you not know he meant property "adjacent" to the river? Or would you be upset because it was not literally floating "on" the river? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 06:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of [[Boeing Charleston Factory]] 

message: For historic colony this should be titled "Province of South Carolina." The colony was never officially called simply a colony, most of the 13 colonies were officially Provinces. In fact the link pointing to the article is also called Province of South Carolina.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.95.175 (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial Name 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 09:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Charleston, South Carolina]] 

message: March 31, 1801, a group called The Eleven Gentlemen of Charleston organized what is today's Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Freemasonry.  The Scottish Rite was organized in Charleston at what was Sheppard's Tavern.  Every Scottish Rite body that opens, across the United States and the world, always mentions Charleston as the place of the Rite's birth.  Given the important cultural value of the Scottish Rite and its impact on society, I do believe the Rite deserves a mention in the overall history of Charleston.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.204.182 (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Freemasonry 

message: Mace Brown Museum of Natural History, and Confederate Museum.--Manfariel (talk) 00:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  lacking museums 

message: I replaced the unsourced claim that the '65 image solely showed destruction owed to the '61 fire as (a) completely unsourced and (b) highly dubious, but if there is sourcing somewhere for that claim feel free to restore the information. I think a generic caption about the city's ruined state and reference to both major fires works better to illustrate the article and the city but, if the detail is accurate, it certainly belongs on the picture's summary at Commons (which says nothing of the kind atm) and could go here in a  note. — LlywelynII 03:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Scenes of destruction

message: ===Britannica===
Well, honestly the history section here could use paring and merging into the History of Charleston, South Carolina, article at this point, but it'd probably be best to mine the rest of the info from the EB9 and EB11 articles first on topics such as the 19th-century railroad links, rice mills, phosphate and fertilizer industry, &c., and as a source verifying that the focus of the economy long remained based on cotton. The current article wants to upsell the industrial development up to 1880 but in 1878 $18.7m of the city's $19.7m exports was cotton; there was more development after but some explanation should be found for the bottom falling out of its exports: only $10.8m in 1897 and less than $2.2m in 1907. Also has some other interesting points, such as the black and white schools of the 19th century both being almost entirely staffed by white women. (The remainder being 4 white men.) — LlywelynII 03:44, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion

message: Well, honestly the history section here could use paring and merging into the History of Charleston, South Carolina, article at this point, but it'd probably be best to mine the rest of the info from the EB9 and EB11 articles first on topics such as the 19th-century railroad links, rice mills, phosphate and fertilizer industry, &c., and as a source verifying that the focus of the economy long remained based on cotton. The current article wants to upsell the industrial development up to 1880 but in 1878 $18.7m of the city's $19.7m exports was cotton; there was more development after but some explanation should be found for the bottom falling out of its exports: only $10.8m in 1897 and less than $2.2m in 1907. Also has some other interesting points, such as the black and white schools of the 19th century both being almost entirely staffed by white women. (The remainder being 4 white men.) — LlywelynII 03:44, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Britannica

message: There's also much more at Category:Charleston at Commons and its subcategories like Category:History of Charleston. The city has been important for long enough that we should basically be able to have period paintings throughout its history mixed with topical images like the Indian map or the photos of the Battery in 1863 and the destruction in 1865. — LlywelynII 03:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Commons

message: Looks like someone or some people spent some effort on this but it's not actually helpful to have a long list of books that is—in effect—just a half-arsed cut-and-paste from a Google or Amazon topic search. An example of how slapdash it currently is is the omission of Simons & Lapham from the architecture section.
At minimum, it needs to be pared down to the major, influential, or comprehensive works and glosses provided to explain their relevance. Better would be split this off as Bibliography of Charleston, South Carolina, and go in depth into the fights over the historiography of the city there. Best would be to use the best sources as sources for the article (or spread them out as needed to history of Charleston &c.) and leave the unnecessary works by the wayside. — LlywelynII 04:02, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Further reading

message: Marek69 seems to have adopted an arbitrary standard, rolling back my edits today when I was still working on the article, saying the reason was "more than 10 edits". But the rollback rules do not address this - it says "Rollback should only be used to revert vandalism and should never be used to revert good faith edits or in content disputes." I see that Marek69 has also been working on this article and, as most editors do, apparently prefers his version. My edits are good faith and are not vandalism. Of course there are issues over which we can disagree. I think it usually strengthens an article to use active voice, and had content to add about some portions of the slave trade and history, among others. I have worked on this article before, as well as several articles about Southern history, the Denmark Vesey rebellion, the domestic slave trade, etc. I also added sourced content from a 2011 article about the shift in ethnic population from 1980 to 2010 on the peninsula, as it seemed pertinent to an article about the city including recent history.Parkwells (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Marek69 rolled back my second edit today, using the same "more than 10 edits," before I even had a chance to add the cite. The editor has not responded to my efforts to discuss content.Parkwells (talk) 15:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Rollback of edits

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message: "The dewpoint in June to August ranges from 67.8 to 71.4 °F (19.9 to 21.9 °C).[17]"
Outdated, the dew point is in the mid 70s currently and will be at least 72 thru this week, in September, and hits upper 70s regularly in mid summer,
when nights are consistently in the upper 70s to 80. B137 (talk) 15:22, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dew point 

message: : Charleston was controlled by an oligarchy of white planters and merchants who [...] launched the Civil War
Can we have a source on this? - 91.10.15.216 (talk) 23:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  From the Lede 

message: I updated the regions section to include Mount Pleasant as this is a highly populated residential and commercial town where many (if not most) Charlestonians live. I consider it a region of Charleston because it is directly across the river from the peninsula, and anyone who lives in Mount Pleasant considers themselves to be living "in Charleston". Futhermore, the Charleston official website considers it a highlighted area in "Charleston" . I'm curious if you all think Sullivan's Island and Isle Of Palms should be included on this list for similar reasons?
Sarahjessamyn (talk) 20:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   First, I agree that Mt. Pleasant is basically Charleston. I also agree that Sullivan's Island and Isle of Palms are also basically Charleston. But I must note that most Charlestonians do not live in Mt. Pleasant if you look at the population numbers. Muttnick (talk) 01:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   Good point, I didn't base my assumption that most Charlestonians live in Mt. Pleasant on any data (this is not included on the article page). Thanks for your corroboration, I added in Sullivan's Island and Isle of Palms to the list. Sarahjessamyn (talk) 14:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the city of Charleston, not the surrounding cities. In other words, if it's outside the city limits, it really shouldn't be mentioned here. There is a separate article for the Charleston metro area, which includes Charleston and the surrounding suburbs. Sullivan's Island, IOP, and Mount Pleasant are separate municipalities, so should not be mentioned as sections or neighborhoods of Charleston. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  JohnRidinger is correct, in my haste to correct the assumption (as a proud Charlestonian) I misspoke. However, there is no reason not to add this information to the metro wikipedia article. It is linked to in the first paragraph of the article. Muttnick (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography + Mount Pleasant 

message: In the same article, the city is referred to as Charles Town, Charlestown, and Charleston. The only note of a name change is "about 1719". In fact, the name of the city was changed in 1783 according to the history timeline. Most of the article deals with the current city, so it would be Charleston of course, but when speaking of historical events is it feasible to use the official name of the city? If so, it would be Charles Town until 1783, and Charleston thereafter. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 23:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what's it called really? 

message: I would be happy to have help with this draft. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Draft:Morris Street School]]

message: Would love a photo of the Marx Cohen Jr. cenotaph at Coming Street Cemetery for List of Confederate duels. TY if anyone can help!  jengod (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo request  

message: Should the fact that Charleston was at one point the most Jewish city in US be mentioned in the intro? 2600:100C:A20A:17AF:391E:5C87:CC3F:37E0 (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charleston’s Jewish population