Talk:Penal law (British)

message: How about we incorporate the Irish section into a new article on the Irish Penal Laws? El Gringo 21:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: its large enough - go ahead ClemMcGann 19:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New article on Irish Penal Laws?

message: While credit should be given to Daniel O'Connell for the repeal of these laws, the French influence needs to be mentioned.  After the French Revolution, refugees "for crown and altar" fled France and were welcomed in England.  Masses were said in some of the great houses, and at least one army barracks, when doing so was actually illegal!  ClemMcGann 23:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeal

message: "Five of them became known as the Clarendon Code, after Edward Hyde, 1st Earl of Clarendon, though he was not their author, nor did he fully approve of them."  Would it be unreasonable to suggest to that these be specified, or (better yet) discussed? ThaddeusFrye 04:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across a section on the Clarendon Code in the Act of Uniformity wikipedia article, so I've basically pasted that section into this article, since "Clarendon Code" redirects here.  I should note however that this page originally stated that there were 5 acts in the CC, whereas the Act of Uniformity article stated that there were just four.  Perhaps there's some disagreement on this point?  ThaddeusFrye 06:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarendon Code? 

message: my understanding being that 'penal law' would refer to the body of law that specifically governs in situations related to the prison/within criminal justice system, rather then 'criminal law' in general which deals with any transgression against the law.
'penal law' would suggest that it pertains to the rights of prisoners, or the rights of people within the 'penal system', which are different then those of people in the conventional 'civil system' (which seems true, as they are imprisoned, which under any other circumstance would be a violation of their 'inalienable rights'), and that the system by which decisions are made and punishments determined for people within the 'penal system' would likewise be different: (although if this principle were taken and extended it could arrive at a 'bill of prisoner's rights' which, in application, would be 'cruel and unusual' by conventional standards) this is not stated in the article, but i have no knowledge of 'penal codes' or 'penal law' and am simply addressing what i think is confusing usage. -- (sio6627)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.224.27 (talk) 16:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  penal as identical to criminal law 

message: I hereby move the introductory text to talk, as we already have a reference to the criminal law article on the top of the article.
"In the most general sense, penal is the body of  laws that are enforced by the State in its own name and impose penalties for their violation, as opposed to civil law that seeks to redress private wrongs.  This usage is synonymous with criminal law and is covered in that article.
"In some jurisdictions, such as Canada, penal law is distinct from criminal law even if it encompasses this last field. This is a result of federalism: only the federal Parliament has the legislative power to enact criminal law statutes, yet provinces can also attach penal dispositions to their non-criminal statutes so they will be respected."
Str1977 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved here

message: Numerous Penal laws were produced by Elizabeth in the 16th century, which are not mentioned clearly here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.165 (talk) 13:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See the laws of 1552, 1558 and 1570 and the like. The laws mentioned in the current version are mostly those directed at non-conformist Protestants.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.165 (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note silence 

message: The current article about laws concerning English dissenters from the established church is not remotely the word's   in any form of English. American and British Google Books produces no results whatsoever for this meaning of "penal law" within the first 100 returns. It is completely foreign to Black's Law Dictionary (US); it completely foreign to the Oxford Dictionary of Law; it is a secondary historical sense in the OED.
This page has utterly no business being here. Moved. — LlywelynII 14:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Absolutely not

message: I suggest a move to a more specific title, e.g Penal laws (British religion) or Penal laws (religious conformity)
Penal laws against the Welsh 1401–2 and Penal Laws against Irish Catholics are very different laws and there should be more clarity on the scope of this particular page. Titus Gold (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Welsh penal laws are very different, but there is clear congruity between the British and Irish laws, and I just proposed an RM for the Irish article that would actually bring it in conformity with this one. I suggest we see how the arguments develop on that one, before moving to an RM for this article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to a more specific title