Talk:Jeff Perry (politician)

message: Blogs are not normally reliable sources.  According to WP:RS, "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs and tweets as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the biographical material. 'Self-published blogs' in this context refers to personal and group blogs...."
So, for example, this blog entry would not be okay for the present Wikipedia article.  At the bottom of the blog entry, it says: "Blog posts and comments are entirely the thoughts and ideas of the people who write them and in no way represent the views of CapeCodToday.com, eCape, Inc., or its employees or owners."  So, this blog of Richard Latimer is not a "reliable source" within Wikipedia terminology, even though Richard Latimer may know exactly what he is talking about.  Incidentally, the host of the blog is CapeCodToday which is not a newspaper, but even if it were a newspaper, still it has explicitly disclaimed editorial control over this blog post.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the IP keeps reinserting this unreliable source, and has avoided discussing it at this discussion page, I've raised this matter at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Jeff_Perry_(politician).Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there has been no reply at the BLP Noticeboard, and the vandalism is getting worse, I've requested semi-protection.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Blogs

message: One settled out of court, by who? what are the details, it appears to me as an outsider reading that Perry made a payment out of court to settle the claim? Am I correct in assuming this? and is there a citation that supports that? Off2riorob (talk) 09:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My reading of the 3 news articles is that Perry was dropped from one of the lawsuits which was decided in the plaintiffs' favor.  The other lawsuit was settled out of court, and it's unclear who paid what, though I very much doubt Perry paid anything in either case.  He never testified in court, in either the criminal or the civil cases.Anythingyouwant (talk) 09:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil action 

message: The cited Cape Cod Times article describes Flanagan as a "subordinate police officer" and I think that's a better description than saying Flanagan was subject to Perry's shift supervision, which many readers could misinterpret as meaning that Perry was supervising the assault on the two girls (which none of the cited sources say he was doing).Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he travelled with Flanagan to one of the scenes.  By analogy, Caesar was with Brutus when Brutus killed Caesar, and Brutus was a subordinate officer, but that doesn't mean that Caesar supervised what Brutus did to him.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Subordinate police officer" 

message: The information pertaining to this individual needs to be updated.  In it's current form, the author creates the perception that this individual (Jeff Perry) was only minimally involved in the illegal strip search scandal of teenage girls.  Within the last week, three major newspaper stories have published articles that clearly show the Perry lied about his involvement in protecting and covering up for Scott Flanagan, the child molester.
Here are two articles from the Cape Cod Times written by George Brennan who wrote the original article.  The first which was published 6/5/2010 is titled: "Police reports contradict Perry's account." Here is the link: http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100605/NEWS/6050319/-1/NEWS2315
The second follow up article by Brennan which was published 6/8/2010 is: "Perry's police actions criticized." This article can be found at this link: http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100608/NEWS/6080310/-1/NEWS2315
The third article which is also a follow up written by Donovan Slack of the Boston Globe is titled: "Testimony contradicts House candidate."  This article was published 6/11/2010 and can be found at this link: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/06/11/testimony_contradicts_house_candidate/
::Thanks for the links to the recent news articles.  I'll incorporate them into the article tomorrow if no one gets to it first.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have updated the description with a more recent article that contains a good summary of the facts of the controversy. It is the entirety of a section entitled "The Facts" from an article in a reliable source (WBZ-TV) so it should not be removed or modified. Thank you, Jgui (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request

message: The expression "controversy arose" is a case of weasel words, inasmuch as it does not disclose who is making a protest or criticism.  Some of the newspaper articles about the police case are no longer available in full, so it is not always clear to me who is accusing Perry of wrongdoing.   Would editors who have worked on those topics please make the text more specific?  Thanks.  --Chonak (talk) 04:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think the "controversy arose" sentence has been there a long time; I know I didn't write it. I think the problem is that there are many sources who have described and added information to this controversy - it started with Cape Cod Times, but the Boston Herald, Boston Globe, and WBZ-TV have all interviewed Perry or those around Perry to try to investigate and add to the story. These are all cited in detail in the references section. I also have had no trouble finding full newspaper articles - I don't think I've found a dead link yet. I'm not wedded to that phrase, but don't mind it either. Do you have another suggestion? Jgui (talk) 05:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd introduce the topic with something like:  "During the 2010 campaign, political opponents criticized Perry over....", etc.   Then (new paragraph) present the reported facts about how the case happened; and then (another paragraph) present the 2010 criticism from specific persons by name, and the counter-arguments.   About old articles: the Herald archives stories after seven days, leaving only two paragraphs in view, so the Herald references are (or will presumably be) affected by this. "Snapshot" services like "freezepage" or "webcitation" can help work around this. --Chonak (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the improvements you've made so far. Much better. As far as this change, check out this ref http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100515/NEWS/5150321 which says that this issue has dogged Perry since he first ran for state rep in 2002. Thanks, Jgui (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words