Talk:Mumbai/Archive 2

message: A list of all the stations in Mumbai seems necessary to be given in the box of Mumbai related topics, at the end of the article. eg Borivali, Andheri, Dadar, Churchgate, Chembur etc... In fact much of Mumbai is known to people through these names.
There are no links at all to many stations in Mumbai in this article on Mumbai. That seems to be a very major omission. Water Fish 23:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Mumbai stations

message: The article currently says that it was formerly known as Bombay, but I thought Bombay was still the English Language name for this City. Isn't this just like Wien and Vienna? User:DavidFarmbrough 09 Jun 05
:The name was officially changed (in English too) and is recognised universally.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:59, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
::An official change would suggest a change made by the Indian Government, Does their jurisdiction extend to changing the name used by the inhabitants of other countries? BTW I am assuming that the original Bombay was an Anglicisation of something that would now be transliterated as Mumbai, but please tell me if this is wrong.User:DavidFarmbrough 10 Jun 05
::No, its not transliterated. Ref to the =history= section: the city was known as Bom Bahia by the Portuguese; then Anglicised to Bombay. Bombay was changed by the right-wing Shiv Sena party, who claimed that it was known by the name "Mumbai" before British times. (edit:My personal viewpoint: Unfortunately I can't find any proof that their stance was ever correct; they have also renamed a lot of city institutions. Thank goodness they are out of power!). Interestingly, till 1996, the name in some Indian languages were: Bambai --> the Hindi transliteration, Bomain --> Konkani and Mumbai --> the Marathi transliteration.
::The name is widely used outside India. I've seen it on the BBC & CNN weather and news. Foreign embassies too have adopted the new name.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 09:23, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
::In Portuguese wouldn't it be "Boa Bahia" instead of "Bom Bahia", using the proper feminin article?  I find it hard to believe that it would change gender over the years.
:::No, I'm aware there is a gender difference, but I've clarified it with User:PedroPVZ.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 04:26, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
::::"Bom Bahia" is an error. Some words in Portuguese indeed changed genders over the time, from “neuter” (invariant) to either feminine or masculine (ex.: "senhor" was both fem. and masc. in Camões day, and now the fem. form is "senhora"), but even in these cases adjectives do agree (Camões’ «minha senhor»). So, "Bom Bahia" is an error. ("Boa Bahia" is possible, but "Bahia Boa" is much more likely. Post-1911 spelling is "Baía".)
::::(I can add that Portuguese 15th century "Bombaim" seems to be an assimilation of the Maratthi (or Konkani?) word, whose pronounciation may have evolved with time; Portuguese "Calicute" is a similar case. Why a this change is felt needed but not, say, Lisboa/Lisbon or, as mentioned, Vienna/Wien, is an interesting issue, though hardely original.)
:::::I'd asked a Portuguese user here in WP abuot the m/f gender. He confirmed that though Bom is incorrect, the masculine was also incorrectly used in the past. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:56, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
:Question here, does Mumbai rhyme with Bombay, or with 'goodbye'?
::Goodbye would be closer.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 05:07, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
*It is obvious that Bom Baía is not correct Portuguese because "bom" is masculine and "baía" is feminine. Though it was/is common that Portuguese-indian creole people speak/spoke this way. But I think that the name is from bom + baím. Being baím a sort of small bay because of "...im". The modern Portuguese word for small bay (cove) is enseada. Though I didnt found Baím in any dictionary, possibly because it is archaic.--Pedro 14:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bombay or Mumbai 

message: Why not page on massive floods in Mumbai? pradeepsomani
: It's at the Timeline of Mumbai events, linked under the History section. I've added a direct link. -- Hongooi 06:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive floods in Mumbai 

message: I was wondering how the population density of Mumbai compared to that of other cities of the world. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 13:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population Density 

message: Isn't there any better map that could be used in the infobox? We don't need to represent neighbour countries to show the location of a city. A plain map of India, highliting the mumbai city, and maybe the capital, should be represented. CG 15:16, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Dhwanit is marking locations of Indian cities. We can ask him for a simple one. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

text: No it doesn't. It shows the control of the state by the above two countries. Please note the boundaries. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map used in infobox 

message: # The Sanjay Gandhi National Pari is a national park rather than a nature reserve
# Suburbs to describe Kalyan and Virar is less accurate. Township is more accurate.
# According to the Manorama Yearbook, the city handles half of India's passenger traffic. The same figure does not apply to cargo.
#Please do not remove the   and — 
# Removing extra details. THe transport stuff should go in the detailed article.
=Nichalp «Talk»= 06:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: The page has been locked to prevent an edit war.
# The BMC logo is of the organisation. It should be put under the BMC page not here.
# Mention the Wall Street on the Dalal Street page. This page is a summary and should talk about the city as a whole, NOT facets of the city. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page locked

message: Hi:
Matriculation means 'To admit or be admitted into a group, especially a college or university'. It is Graduation ('Conferral or receipt of an academic degree or diploma marking completion of studies.') which determines the size of the university, as a figure of merit.
Pizzadeliveryboy 23:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder, how word matriculation slipped in. I am sure, I did not type it. But anyway, I will be careful. Thanks for a watchful eye. Law is a post graduate course, i.e. one can not take up law after 12th. Meanwhile, IIT, engineering and medicine can be taken up after 12th.
Ofcourse LLB can be studied after XII. cf. http://www.glc.edu/courses.asp
Pizzadeliveryboy 23:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduation, not Matriculation - in response to Npindia's Education edits 

message: Please note that the LLB degree (in ref to 'Education' section of article) could be a 3 year graduation course, conferring the LLB (Gen) degree for non-practising students after a 2 yr study, or a full LLB degree after 1 additional year of study for practising advocates.
The 5 year course confers a 'dual degree' of BLS, LLB. If you complete 3 years of study, a BLS degree is conferred. On completing 2 more years of study, an additional LLB degree is conferred. Both degrees are eqv in academic (though not professional stature), much like a B.Ed degree, which is a bachelors degree, but can be conferred only as a 2nd degree after the individual has acquired one primary bachelors degree (BA, BSc or whatever).
THIS DOES NOT QUALIFY LLB TO BE A P.G. COURSE ('cf.' npindia's edit remarks). THAT HONOR GOES TO LLM.
Pizzadeliveryboy 23:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law degrees (LLB) can be both graduate or post-graduate level 

message: Magicalsaumy added:
'However, the population pressure of the daily commuters is becoming exceedingly high day by day; indeed, during most of the times during the day, most of the passengers find it difficult to even breath and stand properly in the heavily crowded local train, forget about getting a seat. The commuters' pressure especially reaches unmanageable pushing and pulling at the suburban stations of Dadar and Kurla.
As there exists no point of linkage between the Western and the Central suburban lines except Dadar (and Parel), in order to reduce the crowding, the state government and the Municipality have decided to construct an international standard Metro Suburban Railway, just as in Delhi (the existing suburban system is not at all upto the international standards). One of its lines would connect the eastern suburb of Ghatkopar with the western suburb of Versova. This is expected to reduce the commuters' pressure significantly.'
Perhaps an abridged version can be put up in the 'Mumbai Suburban Railway' article.
Any thoughts or initiatives???
Pizzadeliveryboy 00:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magicalsaumy's abridged edits 

message: How do you do this? I have added ' to the Bollywood article, but there seems to be no effect.
Pizzadeliveryboy 01:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Bollywood to Culture section of Mumbai related topics section 

message: The lead section is way too long. An easy way to shorten it would be to give the last paragraph its own section. It can stand on its own and users could more easily filter out information why this article isn't named Bombay but Mumbai. Markus Schmaus 02:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: There is no section on the architecture of Mumbai....esp the ref to the Indo-Saracenic, Neo-Gothic and Art Deco styles used throughout the last 200 years.
Any ideas????
Pizzadeliveryboy 15:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture of Mumbai 

message: I have removed the main article link at the beginning of the Transport section since there is already one at the end of the section.
Moreover, the correct main article link should point to a more generic Transportation in Mumbai and not just the specific rail system - mumbaikars use both road and rail for commutes
Pizzadeliveryboy 16:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport 

message: I have commented out these two images because they would be better placed in the article on the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai. The Municipal Arms could be placed at the top of the Mumbai article unless anyone knows of other symbols which would be more appropriate. Green Giant 00:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Municipal Arms and the City Officials 

message: The seal feature on the infobox is optional so should not the L&F of other city pages where such a seal is not available. I have removed the seal from the Civic Admin section. Any ideas on formatting are welcome.
Oops!!! Spoken too soon!!! Anyone has ideas???
Pizzadeliveryboy 00:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update, the seal is much better where you've put it because a symbol of the city should be the first thing people notice in the article. As for formatting, it would be good to make some of the pictures on the right hand match the text on the left hand. Might not be possible for all pictures but readers might appreciate the text more if a relevant picture was adjacent. The other thing is the ward map is now out of date, because the map shows 22 wards, the text reads 23 wards and the official website lists 24 wards but this matter might have to wait for an appropriate map :) Green Giant 01:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  seal feature 

message: I have changed the template for the main infobox from India Capital Infobox to the Mumbai infobox, so that the CoA does not mess up with other city pages. Anyways, since the template is static, should we shift the entire city officials infobox in Civic Admin section into the new main infobox, or leave it there?
The motto of BMC is given in its site. Is that the motto of Mumbai too. I know India has one!!!
Pizzadeliveryboy 01:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in format 

message: there are 24 of them, cf. . However some of the links dont seem to work....need help in expanding the specific details of the new wards listed in the municipal wards aritcle.
Pizzadeliveryboy 19:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wards in Mumbai 

message: Many of the changes were passive to active voice changes - which makes for easier reading - but this does not apply in all cases. So I have reverted a few changes, kept several of them, and tweaked a wee bit on some.
Pizzadeliveryboy 14:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for overhauling my overhaul, it makes better reading when written by two or more people :) Green Giant 20:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GG's changes 

message: It is understandable that everyone wants representation in the list of languages spoken in Mumbai, however adding every possible lang/dial/version will make the article unweildly and is impractical. Hence, it is better to keep only those languages based on actual census figures, which are from neighboring states (tho not a firm criteria - eg malayalam), and is a schedules language (that keeps out Angika - no offence meant).
Pizzadeliveryboy 19:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: Please do not include blog links in references and ext link sections, since they are opinion pieces, and not verified or standardized works of journalism.
Pizzadeliveryboy 13:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  no blogs