Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Chinese military history task force/Archive 1

message: OK, we need to settle a few things before we can get to doing some work:
#What are our long-term objectives?  In other words, what is our general vision for this task force?
#What are our short-term objectives? In other words, what shall we focus on for the time being? This is really asking: What areas of Chinese military history is especially deficient right now?
In the meanwhile, we can get to tagging relevant articles with the MILHIST project banner like this:
 
and inserting other sub-banners as appropriate. Also, we should probably make an attempt at revamping our category system which is quite messy at the moment. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 01:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best bet is to just contribute whatever you can in whatever area comfortable, and submit it here for comments and stuff. For the time being I think it might be difficult to have a concerted effort at one focus, not to mention Chinese military history spans thousands of years! BlueShirts 08:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything we should have a rough MOS or something similar, I think the current MOS for Chinese and milhist articles can be improved. And yes, it does span thousands of years but I think it still is possible to separate it into a few rough time periods. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think almost all areas of Chinese military history are deficient at present. We can make our group concentrate on a short list of articles and work together. Let's improve the articles one by one. We should put quality before quantity. There's still much to do. Anthony Gao 12:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First things first 

message: Comrades Compatriots Friends, WikiProject China has been started and needs members. This is obviously related to this task force, though it is in no way meant to be a "higher ranking" project. Those interested, please sign up. -- Миборовский 23:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject China 

message: Can anybody verify my father's assertion that the AVG pilots got thumbs up from the Chinese
and not the other way around. He says it's the figure gesture equivalent of "Ding Hao" and 
means number one. See Flying Tigers if somebody hasn't ripped it out already.
--Wiarthurhu 23:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know "one" in Chinese number gestures is extending the index finger, not the thumb. Ding Hao means "top good", so yes, #1. I'm too young to know if the thumbs up for "good" is originally Chinese, though. -- Миборовский 01:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thumbs up

message: The photographs are part of my book.  You're welcome to use them on 
Wikipedia so long as you list my book "Chinese Siege Warfare: Mechanical 
Artillery & Siege Weapons of Antiquity" by Liang Jieming as the source.
I hope that helps.
Cheers,
Leong Kit Meng (Liang Jieming) <liang_jieming@history-forum.com>
::Thanks Jieming. -- Миборовский 17:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Licensed

message: I just finished writing an article on the old Leitai fighting platform. I'm not quite sure if it fits into Chinese military history (just like my article on Zhou Tong (Shaolin Abbot)), but I would like some feed back on it. I posted this on the wikiproject: martial arts page and haven't recieved a reply yet. Tell me if you see anything wrong or missing that would greatly improve the article. Thanks. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 06:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That reminds me... time to go watch Fearless... again. :) I think the article is good, but has no relations to Chinese military history. Wars weren't decided by the outcome of leitai duels, so... -- Миборовский 07:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, not really a mil-history article... prod the guys at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Asian_martial_arts as well. -- Medains 08:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think it was military related either. But my Zhou Tong (Shaolin Abbot) was classified as such. I guess this was done since he taught Gen. Yue Fei his martial skills. Thanks again Medains. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 17:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New [[Leitai]] fighting platform article 

message: Hello. I just wrote the article for Red Turban Rebellion as it was requested here. Please take a look =) AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  04:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Turban Rebellion 

message: Hello there is a debate at the WWII talk page at Asia/Pacific box for WWII Collage discussion on the fact that the current picture TitlePicture is too Western-centric for the global war and that there isn't any recognition of the efforts of China which had the 2nd greatest casualties of the war so a second collage was made including the 1937 Shangai baby on tracks LIFE picture, Title Picture II. I'm here for a call of support to this collage from the Chinese military history task force, we need to give a more all-encompasing view to World War II.--67.118.132.2 08:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWII Article Picture Collage support for inclusion of China-related box 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 21:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: There's a new peer review request for Battle of Wuhan that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 04:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Battle of Wuhan]] 

message: http://www.network54.com/Forum/279501/thread/1148774152/last-1150431074/Some+pix+of+historical+Chinese+soldiers
(not all of them are of concern to us) They seem to be scanned out of books, does someone have an idea from which book they are? This could help me to make an agreement with the legal owner of these images, so we can use them on wikipedia (from his perspective this is advertising, so he will likely agree, but I must have an idea who to ask first). Wandalstouring 21:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first series of pics are obviously from Osprey books, the oil paintings I have no idea. -- Миборовский 23:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I found a list of pictures and need some help 

message: Can someone give me sourced details and perhaps a picture of a Zhong Jun Lei Gu Tai (中军擂鼓台 – “Central Military Beat Drum Platform”)? I know there were two kinds—a fixed platform kept at the center of a city (Beijing being a good example) and a movable platform used to direct battle arrays and troop movements during wartime. I would like to know more about when this platform first came about, its dimensions (both fixed and ESPECIALLY movable!), and if the city of Kaifeng had a fixed platform during the Song dynasty.
Also, the “Central Military Beat Drum Platform” sounds like a name for the fixed platform. Was the movable one known as simple “Military Beat…” or just “Beat Drum Platform”. (Ghostexorcist 12:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the military drum platform 

message: The requested articles departement gets reorganized. The requests get moved to the specific taskforce. In case of error move it to a concerning task force.
*Kesig, Mongolian bodyguard unit of the Yuan Dynasty
Wandalstouring 11:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to open task template. Kirill Lokshin 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested articles 

message: An old version of Chinese armour had a mention of paper armour (a specialized type of armour), however now the reference is missing and the Paper Armour article was deleted for nonsense for some reason.  The BBC documentary What the Ancients Did for Us seem to mention paper armour, but are there any good sources on it being used historically? ColourBurst 19:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paper armor 

message: I just added a globalize tag to this overview article, which is currently without any East Asian content. I think some Chinese cavalry could be described as heavy - can someone add a bit?  Thanks   14:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Heavy cavalry]] 

message: Hi all. I Just went through and cleaned up (and added) to the major category :Category:People's Liberation Army, however it looks like the higher level category :Category:Military of the People's Republic of China needs a little cleanup as well. Since I'm not familar enough with this subject, can somebody take a look a see if any of the articles can be moved into appropriate categories and the reference to the master category is removed please? Thanks wbfergus 14:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category cleanup request 

message: There's a new peer review request for Sukhoi Su-30 that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 00:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Sukhoi Su-30]] 

message: I've recently made some HUGE additions to the Yue Fei page. This includes info about his bios, more martial arts stuff, and bunch of new photos. I know the section about his military career could be a lot bigger than a single paragraph. Tell me what you think. (Ghostexorcist 02:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yue Fei 

message: There's a new peer review request for Battle of Shanghai that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 20:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Battle of Shanghai]] 

message: is listed for deletion, but it might be useful. Wandalstouring 10:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image for deletion that might be useful 

message: Hey guys. I've put a lot of work into the Chinese Song Dynasty article, from a large range of cited source material. I was thinking about putting it up as a candidate for Featured Article Status, but I wanted to get some feedback from others before attempting that. If anyone has the time to read through it and provide your thoughts on how it should be improved (or if it is ok how it is) then please do so!
Peer review page at Wikipedia:Peer review/Song Dynasty/archive1
Thanks,
--PericlesofAthens 21:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need Peer Review for [[Song Dynasty]]

message: The article Musketeer needs help and references on the question of the use of muskets during the Ming and Qing dynasties.  Thanks- NYArtsnWords 11:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musketeers in Ming and Qing dynasties? 

message: There's a new peer review request for Battle of Red Cliffs that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 17:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Battle of Red Cliffs]] 

message: Hi guys, I know this doesn't have incredibly too much to do with military history, but I have recently nominated Shen Kuo for featured article status. Shen Kuo did fight battles against the Tanguts of the Western Xia Dynasty, so I guess that counts somewhat as my excuse for bringing Shen Kuo's article to light here. Lol. Anyways, feel free to review the article and provide your support/objections/comments etc. for the article. Thanks!--PericlesofAthens 13:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shen Kuo for FAC

message: There's a new request for A-Class status for Sino-Indian War that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 07:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Class review for [[Sino-Indian War]] 

message: Why, they're all described and illustrated in the article (I created) on the 14th century Ming Dynasty military treatise of the Huo Long Jing, edited and compiled by the artillery officer Jiao Yu! Lol. Hey guys, how's it going, Pericles here. I just set up the Huo Long Jing article for peer review at:
Wikipedia:Peer review/Huo Long Jing/archive1
I'd be grateful if the lot of you would make some contributions in suggesting improvements or adding material to the article. Otherwise, why even join WikiProject China? Get to it, soldier, or I'll launch a fire arrow up your kiester.--PericlesofAthens 19:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Gunpowder]], [[Firearm]]s, [[Cannon]]s, [[Flamethrower]]s, [[Land mine]]s, and [[Rocket]]s - What do all of these have in Common?

message: There's a new request for A-Class status for Battle of Red Cliffs that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 17:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Class review for [[Battle of Red Cliffs]] 

message: I have a list is missing topics related to Chinese history, many of them about military history. Due to sources, at least some of the titles are based on the previous transliteration, so I don't know how many of them could be only worth of redirect. Feel free to check - Skysmith 08:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Chinese history topics 

message: I have this page on my watchlist, and the article's recent expansion from a stub looks very suspicious. The article now looks like a blend of half-truths and hearsays, as some of the details I can't find in Shiji or Zizhi Tongjian. I have approached the editor responsible for it, User:CCHIPSS, for sources, but he didn't respond. So, seeing that I'm not so familiar with the subject, can someone take a look at the article to see if anything needs to be done? Thanks. _dk 03:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Battle of Gaixia]]

message: I would appreciate some help in the crossbow article about the use in China. There were ambushes and such... Wandalstouring 14:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with the [[crossbow]] article 

message: There's a new peer review request for Korean War that may be of interest to you; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill 13:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Korean War]] 

message: There's a new peer review request for Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army that may be of interest to you; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! Kirill 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army]] 

message: The A-Class review for Sino-Indian War is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated!  Thanks! Kirill 14:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Class review for [[Sino-Indian War]] now open 

message: I've nominated The Rape of Nanking (book) for FA.  Please take a look at the FAC and vote or leave a comment.
*Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Rape of Nanking (book)
Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rape of Nanking FAC 

message: The peer review for Battle of Changban is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated!  Thanks! Woodym555 18:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review for [[Battle of Changban]] now open 

message: The book Law and Order in Sung China () states: "In 1042 the controllers-general were ordered to select villagers with military talents, in order to triple the number of archers in certain circuits. In some cases such men were apparently to be tattooed on the hand for identification purposes; in others they might be tattooed on the face. The Court in 1042 approved a request that in Ho-tung Circuit the archers to be inducted into the righteous warrior (i-yung) units not be tattooed but that those in shensi be tattooed on the face for use in the victorious protector (pao-chieh) commands. (These tattoos indicated the name and location of a soldier's unit.)" What other instances of face tattooing were used in the Song armies? Where the soldiers of General Yue Fei ever tattooed?(Ghostexorcist 01:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military face tattooing 

message: The A-Class review for Cold War is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated!  Thanks! Eurocopter tigre (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Class review for [[Cold War]] now open 

message: It has been proposed here that People's Liberation Army operations in Tibet (1950–1951) be renamed 1950-1951 invasion of Tibet.
Please join our discussion expressing your viewpoints. 219.73.9.154 (talk) 08:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move on PLA operation/invasion, Tibet

message: User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 70.55.88.176 (talk) 07:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, China is older than the PRC that only represents a fraction of China in history. Wandalstouring (talk) 13:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk:China has the RfC/RM discussion on the proposal. 74.15.105.204 (talk) 05:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: China and PRC articles request to be renamed

message: Hello, I have :
* an interesting topic-article (History of the Khitans), 
* a valuable source available (Xu Elina-Qian, Historical Development of the Pre-Dynastic Khitan, University of Helsinki, 2005. 273 pages.), 
* and a plan to expand is (edit the plan) : 
Collaboration welcome ! I already started this expansion (I'm working on Chap. 7). To help, read one chapiter (about 20-30 pages) or one section (about 2-3 page) of the source, write down a summary, send it on the article page. 
To notice your will to collaborate, come on my IP talk page. => 220.135.4.212 (talk) 06:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please make a proper account for communication. Wandalstouring (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This IP is my main account. 220.135.4.212 (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need your collaboration to read a valuable source and expand '[[History of the Khitans]]' ! 

message: Nanyue has been requested to be renamed Nam Viet 70.51.10.4 (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nanyue -> Nam Viet

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thread_title: Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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thread_title:  Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Chinese military history 

message: Chinese strategic thought has been nominated for deletion at WP:AFD 70.55.200.131 (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: =Chinese strategic thought