Talk:James Tiptree Jr.

message: Would be nice to see some characterization of her works.  A-giau 06:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your wish is my command. ←Hob 11:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the expansion.  Frankly I lack the knowledge to evaluate this material, but what I read is internally consistent, and so I say, "More power to you!"  A-giau 09:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characterization of her works 

message: I've added an adapted cut'n paste from the German WP article on Tiptree. It's stuck inside that ugly gray box! Is this what happens to all cut n' paste? The timeline was under GDFL license, after all!
Let's keep it as a placeholder, until I can figure out how to reformat it. Rhinoracer 15:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adapted cut'n paste 

message: I've added a bio workgroup banner and I'm rating this page as "start" by that group's standards because there's only substantial material on one of her careers here.
Randwolf 18:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject banners 

message: :the link to the starry rift, links to a jonathan strahan anthology of the same name, not the tiptree collection/story/novella.Tychoish 03:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to the starry rift 

message: Reasonable to merge the more trivial article into the bio. Louisamild 21:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Is there any way to combine the current infobox with a the author infobox? The problem is that she has had too interesting a life! 
The current info box doesn't give any info on her writing (genres, influences, notable works, even her pseudonyms etc) - which i think everyone agrees is her most important contribution to the world. 
But the writer infobox doesn't allow parents (she has a notable one) or education (she has lots).
If there is not an overall infobox, which is better?Yobmod (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of help from an infobox guru, and having to choose one over the other, I think the Infobox Writer one is better, and should be used. RedSpruce (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infoboxen - too many careers

message: * Alice’s Alias. New York Times. Review by DAVE ITZKOFF Published: August 20, 2006 Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 17:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional source that could be used 

message: The meaning of the gigantic table in "Timeline of Stories" is entirely opaque.  I have no clue what information the table is trying to convey.  --zandperl (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow -- I see what you mean.  So it appears it is meant to contain a list of stories by year and to show which collection(s) the stories were published in.  But it seems out of place, or at least, badly formatted.  Skandha101 • 19:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of Stories 

message: What is the "Big Green Yes" about? It's not clearly explained in the article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m pretty sure I understand what those yeses mean, so I’ve reverted the joke about “Big Green Yes status” and added an explanation. —Eric S. Smith (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Green Yes?

message: I converted the table, with its many big empty boxes, to a more compact and readable list.  It might be even better to cite the collections as footnotes in a special group, which I don't know how to do. —Tamfang (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: pointlessly huge table

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message: According to her biographer,
* contrary to what the article says, she called her lawyer after having killed her husband (NPR interview)
* they had a suicide pact: agreed to commit suicide together when they became too old to go on (Biography excerpt). --92.219.12.170 (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The telephone call sentence was clearly an error, which I've fixed. It was correctly described in the "Suicide in Later Life" book that was cited in that same passage, but that doesn't look like a particularly good source to me anyway-- there are some errors in descriptions of her work, etc.-- and this section could probably be changed to cite Phillips or other sources. But I'm not up to writing much now, so the only other edit I made was to remove the bit about "becoming reclusive", as it seemed redundant with earlier text. ←Hob 04:47, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder-suicide 

message: As the Phillips book is by far the most comprehensive biographical work about Tiptree, it makes sense that it's cited many times here. But, based on the current appearance of the References list, it seems as if many editors have independently run across the book and chosen to cite it in inconsistent or redundant ways:
* The book itself has a master entry under Citations, including publisher info, ISBN, etc. - great.
* Many inline citations just refer to the master entry: "Phillips, p. xxx" - also good.
* But quite a few other inline citations repeat some or all of the book details as if it's never been mentioned before. I assume there's no reason not to simply change those to "Phillips, p. xxx".
* Then there are citations of excerpts from the book on its promotional website - which also has a master entry under Citations, but is described again in full in the inline citations anyway. Unfortunately, the website has exactly the same author and title as the book, so I'm not sure how to disambiguate them in a shortened citation. Should they just be changed to citations of the book itself, since that's what the website is excerpting? Or is the idea that if part of something is available online, the web citation is preferred because it's easier for the reader to check immediately?
* Similarly, there's one link to an excerpt from a publisher's page (Macmillan), and several to an NPR story that contains an excerpt. Again, the cited text is ultimately from the same source: the Phillips book.
Any thoughts? ←Hob 04:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I went ahead and did the straightforward (I think) part in this edit: I changed all of the inline citations of various pages of the Phillips book so they just reference the master entry (which I also reformatted slightly using Template:Cite book). Using Template:Sfn, this produces things like "Phillips 2006, p. 11". That could still be slightly confusing because there's also a separate article by Phillips with the same year, 2006. But I think it's at least better than what we had. ←Hob 05:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent citations of Julie Phillips 

message: Whew, this article has more problems than I thought. There's a substantial section on Tiptree's early years and schooling-- all added at once by one editor-- which is full of what look like footnotes, but are actually just text like "[1]" that don't link to anything. That seemed like an odd mistake to make, but by looking at User:Marissaarnett's edit history I figured out what happened: the editor (apparently as part of a school project) did a lot of sandbox work to get the new text into shape, and then copy-pasted from the sandbox, but somehow only copied the formatted text-- not the underlying wikitext, which did contain real inline citations. Here's the sandbox text. But I'm hesitating to copy the citations over, because this editor used a different edition of the Phillips book, so the page numbers may not match the edition that's used for all other citations of that book in the article; not sure of the best approach there, but I think it'd be weird to have both "Phillips 2006" and "Phillips 2007" cited when they're essentially the same thing. I guess someone who has the book at hand could check whether the page numbers still work for the 2006 edition. ←Hob 16:28, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm informed via email by Ms. Phillips that the page numbers are not the same between editions, so unfortunately those citations can't just be changed en masse to the other one. ←Hob 22:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I've tried to merge the relevant details into the "Early life" section, and removed overlapping parts. If it had been properly sourced, it's possibly it would have made sense to create an "Education of Alice Sheldon" article instead, but lacking actual footnotes for the education section, that didn't seem like an option. /Julle (talk) 13:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Though with only one edition cited in the sandbox, perhaps that problem is solved now. Either way, I think it was overly long for the main article. Part of writing an encyclopedic entry is to not include things, lest you end up with a book instead. /Julle (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education section - citations and scope 

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