Talk:Miracle on Ice

message: There is no mention in the article of the wider historical impact.  In February of 1980, the American mindset was still in a defeatist mode, regarding the Cold War, not to mention Iran.  Herb Brooks was the first person in this era to remind Americans this trend could be reversed and the Soviets could be beaten.  Ronald Reagan was the second person to do so, with still greater impact.
:Oh Lord.  Please don't bring Reagan into this.  He had nothing to do with the Miracle on Ice.  It's all about one amazing coach, and the team who followed him--Reagan had nothing to do with any of this, except that later on (that is, outside the scope of the article), he was able to capitalize/embody what many felt to be the meta-message of the game. (I do agree that that the Miracle on Ice had a larger cultural/historical impact, though.)72.229.110.85 (talk) 04:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: historical significance

message: From the main article. Any data on what odds the US team were being quoted at to substantiate this claim?
33 to 1 were the odds.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.132.190 (talk) 05:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "near-impossible odds"

message: There are a number of factual errors in this article.  Firstly, the United States tiesd with Sweden 2-2 in the preliminary round of the Olymics and not Finland.  Secondly, Ken Morrow did not play for the New Jersey Devils and was not a teammate of Fetisov and Kasatonov.  He won his Stanley Cup titles as a member of the New York Islanders.
:Okay, I can confirm one of these.  An article states that Morrow skated over to Fetisov before an NHL game where Fetisov was playing for the Devils, but it does not indicate where Morrow was playing!  This was one I misread.  A quick check of Morrow's career places him with the Islanders, so I'll correct that.  The other is more dicey - I read a source which said that Finland hadn't lost coming into the medal round, and they were in Group B with the U.S. meaning that the draw had to have been against the U.S.  But I can't find the source now, and I've found one non-authoritative source (an email from a random) which supports a 2-2 draw with Sweden in the opening round.  I'm going to call the library tomorrow and see if I can get confirmation. - Scooter 05:54, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article says the only team that couldn't win the Gold Medal going into the final day of games (that is to say, Feb. 24, after the USA/USSR game) was Finland. How is this the case? If USA had lost to Finland, and Sweden and USSR had tied, all teams would have had 3 points in the Medal Round (Sweden 0-0-3, others 1-1-1). I would think Sweden would be eliminated first due to having no actual wins, but in any event the tiebreaker would almost have to come down to goal differential and Finland could win that just as much as the other teams.
The tiebreaker was total goal differential (not just the medal round differential). The USSR came into the medal round beating teams like Japan and the Netherlands by double digits, and in fact wound up +40 in goal differential. So, unless Finland beat the US by a tremendous, record breaking score, they would in fact wind up with the silver medal.
The claim that the March 3, 1980 Sports Illustrated was the only cover in the magazine's history without any accompanying caption or headline is not correct.  Issues in SI's first year of publication (1954) did not have a caption or headline - the first caption didn't appear until 5/16/55.  SI covers for 1954 can be viewed at http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/select/1954-01-01/1954-12-31/dd/1/index.htm Kshockeysteve (talk) 03:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual questions

message: I do not know what sports venue the Miracle on Ice game took place. Did Lake Placid have a sports arena or was the Ice Hockey venue temporary?
:Lake Placid actually had two arenas for the 1980 Winter Olympics. Some games were played in the old arena built for the 1932 Games (known as the Olympic Rink), while others — including the medal round — were played in a new, larger arena (called the Olympic Arena). There was also a rink without seating that was used for practices, called the U.S. Ice Sheet. The 1932 rink is now called the Jack Shea Arena, while the 1980 facility is now named the Herb Brooks Arena. — Michael J 02:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should there be an article about this Jack Shea Arena? It is not a well-known sports venue and I do not know what its seating capacity is. Jim856796 05:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miracle on Ice sports venue 

message: Does anyone know why the team rosters were deleted from this article? —  Michael J  02:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like they got caught up in a multi-edit vandalism incident, and the user cleaning it up only caught the last one.  Fixing now, and putting this on my watchlist.  Other watchers, please check before you revert to make sure you're cleaning up all the vandalism rather than just the last edit.  Thanks... VT hawkeyetalk to me 21:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Rosters 

message: "A movie, Miracle on Ice, starring Karl Malden as Brooks and Steve Guttenberg as Craig, aired on television in 1981, and was released in theaters in 1989". This seems an unsually large gap between showing on TV and release in cinemas. The IMDB doesn't have release dates for the film; a Google search for the title and the year 1989 is fairly unimpressive (a few sites list it as "Miracle on Ice (1989)", with Guttenberg and Malden in the cast, but they are otherwise detail-free). Is there a poster somewhere, a review dated 1989? I can envisage it being re-released on account of the end of the Cold War, so it's not completely odd, but I think it needs elaboration. -Ashley Pomeroy 17:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Miracle on Ice" film 

message: I've stumbled upon Curt Chaplin's radio recording of the US-USSR game. While Al Michael's calls were the more memorable one, is Chaplin's also notable for inclusion here? Eaglestorm (talk) 09:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, the fact that it took a "stumbl[ing] upon" to note that it even existed is probably a sign that it's not notable.  If it's online, it might be worth a link in the External Links section, but I wouldn't bother with text mentioning it in the body of the article.  Michaels's call gave a name to the greatest moment in American sports history.  Chaplin's, unfortunately for him, didn't. VT hawkeyetalk to me 03:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok..It is, Chaplin posted on YouTube (found it here then other google links traced it too, he matched it along with the footage; here's the link )...which may not probably count, right? Eaglestorm (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curt Chaplin radio broadcast 

message: I have heard from someone who watched a documentary of the game that the 2nd Team USA goal at the very end of the first period was disputed by the Soviet players in retrospective interviews, that they claimed time had run out or should've run out before the goal was scored, that maybe there was a clock malfunction or something like that. Does anyone have info on that? If this is true, it should be added to the Soviet perspective.John ISEM (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting. I've never heard anything about that. I would almost be surprised to run across something like that. In my experience, having seen shows and coverage of it, the Soviet players are nothing but extraordinarily gracious and sportsmanlike about the matter. MrArticleOne (talk) 16:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd USA Goal Disputed by Soviet Players? 

message: Ken Morrow is from Davison, MI.  I grew up there and when you drive into the city, there is a sign that says "Davison, home of Ken Morrow".  He is not from Flint, MI.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.39.182 (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hometowns 

message: I was quite impressed by this phrase from The Golden Goal:
I think it deserves to be a part this article.
One quote from the game. After Buzz Schneider scorded the first goal, somebody (Al Michaels or Ken Dryden) said about Tretyak: "There is some suspicion, that he realy is not in a very good form at this point". --Alogrin (talk) 06:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ... hadn't seen so many flags since the '60s. "And we were burning them then" 

message: Is there no boxscore for this game? 67.193.244.48 (talk) 02:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Box Score?

message: I've added a few cleanup templates to the article, but a major issues  is the use of YouTube as cited source. In particular, the game day section is drawn entirely from a WP:SYNTH of game footage. It should use written reports of the game instead. Mosmof (talk) 06:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup templates 

message: The article says the Soviet team was "considered the best hockey team in the world".  If I recall correctly, in 1980, professionals were still banned from the Olympics (though a lot of countries tended to bend that rule pretty hard).  So were they really considered the best team, or the best amateur team?  Would they have been expected to beat the NHL champs from that year? --Trovatore (talk) 06:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That claim certainly needs a citation but it would not be without merit.  According to this article, the USSR team had beaten an NHL all star team in the Challenge Cup.  In 1981, they beat a NHL-laden Canada 8-1 in the final of the Canada Cup. (The USSR's only win in that competition).  In fact, the 1980 Olympics might be the only blip in what would otherwise be considered the hight of Soviet Ice Hockey.  Anyway, it would be reasonable to assume that it was 'considered by some' to be the best but a citation is needed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly needs a citation.  Added tag. --Brhiba (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  best team, or best amateur team? 

message: The material below was in the lead until an editor felt it was too much information. Personally, I think it acts as a good summary and introduction to a pretty long and highly detailed article. Just read the first paragraph after the current lead to understand that the average, non-hockey expert, might stop right there and easily feel overwhelmed by minute facts. Hence, a clear and general summary in the lead will help those who want the basics, and would stimulate others who choose to dig deeper. For those who feel that the lead may be too America-centric, note the article is about an American historical event. Using words like patriotic, etc., especially with the cites included, seems logical. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 07:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous lead for the record 

message: I think, that the image of the whole team, which managed to stand on the small podium - is very significant for this article. It helps to understand the spirit of US team, the one which played so important role during the olympic tournament. No words would be able to explain, how 20 players were able to step there:  . --Alogrin (talk) 03:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted image [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 9#File:Miracle on Ice - podium.jpg]] 

message: The story that the chant originated here seems to be a myth.  See here.  And the part about "national pride" was nonverifiable and non-encyclopedic so I deleted that too. Vidor (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: U-S-A!  U-S-A!

message: Players of the USSR national team were not born in Russia, in the USSR. Sorry, I dont know English i just used a translator.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.91.219.193 (talk) 17:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia 

message: "After the Soviets declined a request to move the game from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. for U.S. television (this would have meant a 4 a.m. start in Moscow for Soviet viewers), ABC decided to broadcast the late-afternoon game on tape delay in prime time. "
As opposed to a 1 am start?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johntiger1 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: American request to move game

message: I never heard about this until it appeared on American Dad.  At the time, I believed that it was totally fictitious because I remember  that the USA boycotted the 1980 Olympics.  I did not know that this was real until I saw it mentioned on the main page.  If I would not have seen the episode of American Dad, I would not have recognized that link among all of the others.
Frankly, unlike events like Moon-Landings, assassinations, terrorist-attacks, et al which the media replay, maybe only those who lived when this happened even know that this ever happened.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.233.65 (talk) 19:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How later generations remember or not the event. 

message: While the USA tie with Sweden was a moral victory that propelled them forward, it is not correct to say that the tie was necessary for the gold medal, with all other results remaining the same.  As ABC announcer Al Michaels indicated during the USA-FIN game, and the New York Times article of February 24, 1980, confirms, the first tiebreaker was head to head. Had Team USA lost to Sweden with all other results remaining the same, USA and URS would have had four points, SWE three, and FIN one. And thus Team USA would have won a simple two-way tiebreaker vs. the Soviets regardless of goal difference in any other games. 
Further, even if a goal difference tiebreaker had been used, it would have been calculated on the medal round games only, including the carry-over games (USA-SWE and URS-FIN); it certainly would not have included all the preliminary round results. Head-to-head points has been the first tiebreaker criteria at the Olympics from 1968 until present day. Joel225sp (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiebreaker criteria 

message: I had changed the line in the second paragraph of the lead "With only four players with minimal minor-league experience" to read "minor-league experience", noting in my edit summary that Buzz Schneider had played four games in the WHA. The World Hockey Association was, of course, not a minor league but a major league. An IP editor has  to "minor-league", asserting that "4 games in the WHA doesn't mean anything". The sentence as currently written implies that the highest level of experience on this team was four players who had played in the minors, and maybe it's splitting hairs, but that precludes Schneider, and his (admittedly limited) major league experience. Using "professional" includes both minor and major without judgement as to the quality of that experience. Rather than simply revert it back I am bringing it here for discussion per WP:BRD. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your version was most accurate. The WHA was certainly a major league, that's well-sourced and not in dispute.  The way you phrased it was the most succinct way to do it, and it was factually correct. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  prior "Minor-league" experience vs "professional" in lead 

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