Talk:Mesopotamian Marshes

message: This article is a geographical article as per its title and should avoid large sections about politics as they are covered in details in many articles. I'll try to deal w/ this asap. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you posted that in May. When will this article actually have some information in it? 68.84.224.36 (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nearly a full year since this was posted, and this article is still woefully devoid of content. What's going on? 68.84.224.36 (talk) 07:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: * the merger proposed is a poor idea. these things are not the same. Oppose merge. Cecole (talk) 16:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No to merging

message: E.g. see here. Hans Adler 07:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: True, see the three main marsh articles, Hawizeh Marshes, Central Marshes and Hammar Marshes which have more historical information. This article should have more information but it has ended up in the "subordinate" marsh articles I listed above.--NortyNort (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is more to be said about the history of this eco-system 

message: 1. Fayssal is correct, the political stuff here should be curtailed. The Saddam-bashing might have been popular 10 years ago during USA's conquering and occupation of the country at the time in the old Western mags & papers this article mostly references, but I question if all the allegations are fair. After all, one doesn't immediately assume genocidal retribution was the reason swamps of Florida, the Netherlands or the Fens of England were drained. Shouldn't Iraq have irrigation or control flood waters? Gentrification also destroys traditional local culture, but knocking down the new townhouses is rarely advocated. And who says the people should want to return to living in reed huts on isolated malarial muddy islets? People who don't live there, that's who! And it's simplistic to think that the problems of people can be largely fixed by piercing dams and just adding water...
2. It might be pertinent to remember the coastline of this region has changed drastically since the time of Sumer: these marshes were under the sea 5000 years ago, and likely only began to exist relatively recently, as the coastline has shifted 100km into the Persian Gulf. Go 12,000 years back, and the opposite is true, the coastline lay 100s of km to the south.
3. Linking the Marsh Arabs to the well-known Sumerians is romantic but rather dumb conjecture. Who's to say they aren't descendants of the Elamites? Or the Khamazi, Kassites, Akkadians, Guti, Dilmuni, Magani, Babylonians, Amorites, Chaldeans, Jews, Luri or some group that left no written trace? Or are simply Arabs who moved into the area at a later date? After all, can we claim that the people of New York are the descendants of the Mohawk or Narragansett because they happened to live nearby at one time? We can't even claim the people of New York today are the descendants of the people of New York 100 years ago. And the cities in this region were the largest and most cosmopolitan in the world only 1200 years ago, which tends to attract immigrants... 
Leo    86.83.56.115 (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Notes 

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message: There is a 4th marsh besides Hammar, Central, and Huwaiza. 
The 4th marsh is the Shadegan wetland which is in the same geographic region and populated by the same people, flora, and fauna except it is entirely on the Iranian side of the border and shares no territory with Iraq or the Iraqi border as it is separated from Iraq by Abadan.
It should be included in this page and it already has its own wikipedia article for reference to be linked here. 170.223.207.1 (talk) 15:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Marsh not mentioned here. (Shadegan wetland)