Talk:List of United States Coast Guard enlisted ranks

message: These are NOT rates; Rate is JOB. This is a RANK page; Paygrade, where you sit in the cain of command, whatever you want to call it. My RATE is Boatswain's Mate; MY RANK is Third Class. Why can't you people get a SIMPLE concept right? Next time ask someone who knows waht they're talking about to put pages together for you (or something, at least).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.120.108 (talk) 01:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is NOT a rate page 

message: The links are wrong for some of them in the table. For example, Firman link went to Seaman page.
: the links are not "wrong", per se. The editor of the seaman page wrote it in such a manner that those editors that do not do due dillagance will use the seaman rates instead of getting outside the hull classifications, there is a section of the seaman and seaman apprentice pages that mention the non-hull classes. The Following pages in Blue Also Exist, the Red Links need to be created. Seaman Recruit, Seaman Apprentice, Fireman Apprentice, Airman Apprentice, Seaman, Fireman, Airman, i am of the thought that Links are essential for key concepts (at least once per article) Redlinks are better than imprecise blue links and the Redlinks eventually to be filled, but there is also Wikipedia:Notability to consider PerkinsC (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  E1 - E3 Section 

message: From List_of_United_States_Coast_Guard_ratings 
Fire_&_Safety_Specialist FF   
This rating was disestablished by the Coast Guard in 1993 and were absorbed into the PS rating 
Port_Security_Specialist PS
Support of Department of Defense national-defense operations overseas as a member of a Naval Coastal Warfare Squadron, or a Coast Guard Port Security Unit. Work at a Sector to ensure the physical security of a major U.S. port, or be a member of a Maritime Safety and Security Team (MSST). MSSTs are capable of being deployed throughout the United States to provide heightened waterside and shoreside security in support of maritime homeland security operations.[6][9]
this appears to indicate List of United States Coast Guard enlisted ranks is in serious need of revision
PerkinsC (talk) 20:04, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fireman Apprentice]] [[Fireman]] 

message: Major changes have been made to this article without any recent discussion. This concerns the rate vs. rank conversion in the title of the article and body of the article made on 6 September. The proper term that the Coast Guard (as well as the Navy) uses for enlisted pay grades is rate. The term "rate" is used in Coast Guard regulations and daily in communications to indicate a Coast Guardsman's pay grade as well as where they are in the chain of command. The term "rank" is used by the Coast Guard (as well as the Navy) to indicate an officer's pay grade and where they are in the chain of command. Enlisted have rate; officers have rank. This has been used historically for well over one hundred years. 
There has been no discussion about this prior to the changes made to this article as to why the author of the recent change feels like this is important enough to change. I feel that a discussion is warranted before such a proposed change be made. I object. First, there was NO discussion. Second, the proposed change is just simply wrong...it misinforms the reader about the personnel structure of the Coast Guard. Third, it ignores the history of the Coast Guard; if a distinction needs to be made then explain it in the article; i.e. officers have "rank" and enlisted have "rate".
If I knew how to revert this unwarranted change, I would revert it. Unfortunately, I don't Have that knowledge and I fear that I would make a hash of any changes back to the original terminology. Cuprum17 (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper terminology