Talk:Lynx Rapid Transit Services

message: Are there plans for this system to serve the Amtrak station? Mackensen (talk) 21:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * The light rail lines both under construction and proposed will not have a direct link to the current Amtrak station on North Tryon. The only transit access to the station directly is CATS 11U & 11H bus routes. Future plans call for a new "Gateway Station" at the SW corner of West Trade and South Graham Streets the will serve as a replacement to the current Amtrak station in addition to serving as the primary transit hub for future commuter rail projects into Uptown. Patriarca12 21:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Okay, thanks! Mackensen (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: * See also NCDOT's description of the Gateway Station project.  Land acquisition was completed in 2007. Wlindley (talk) 19:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amtrak 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LYNX logo.jpg

message: The light rail debate has become a very contentious issue within the county, and mentioning it is essential in developing a well balanced article telling the WHOLE story of the LYNX system. With that being said, the information should be apolitical in nature and just let be known the petition drive and the ramifications of the tax repeal and its greater effect on the systems funding. What I had originally included in the article I felt provided that insight to a degree and should be included. Discuss please what should be included and STOP this edit war!
Patriarca12 02:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Seeing as how non-existing proposed infrastructure was taking up over half the article, I've taken the liberty of creating spin-off articles for proposed lines.  I believe it greatly improves readability and focus. Cheers.--Loodog (talk) 21:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  consolidation of future section 

message: I corrected some of the Blue Line script that showed its operation as future tense, given it opened this morning. Further, similar corrections are likely needed. --Eightane (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gramatical errors 

message: "Rapid transit" traditionally (and in the public transportation industry) refers to heavy rail transit, such as the Washington Metro, New York City subway, Atlanta MARTA and San Francisco BART, etc., and not to light rail systems, which typically share city streets, traffic signals and the like along with regular vehicular traffic and thus are not really "rapid" (especially as compared with heavy rail, which operates on exclusive rights of way and often underground). Devoted editors of this page (of which I am not---I'm just passing through) may wish to adress this issue in the title of this page as it detracts somewhat from the credibility of the article. In addition to the regional BART subway, My hometown of San Francisco also operates an extensive network of Muni system light rail trains in the city, but never would they be considered "rapid" transit, and I doubt Charlotte's light rail would be much different. Just a thought...
...Okay, I see now that your transit system's logo incorporates "rapid transit," so I now better understand the page title, although I find it rather strange that the transit system elected to use that terminology in the logo, considering the type service it provides :)
As far as Charlotte transit goes, this is as rapid as it gets :) Tingrin87 (talk) 05:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Title Inaccuracy/Confusion 

message: does anyone have any information on why or how the LYNX name was chosen?
I can guess that it is to tie in with the Charlotte theme of Bobcats, Panthers, CATS... but does anyone know if LYNX stands for something? Tingrin87 (talk) 05:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LYNX Naming 

message: The previous ridership stats linked to a source that no longer exists.  I replaced it with the APTA source.  I'd actually prefer to keep this source for the article, since APTA numbers are the basis for ranking in the List of United States light rail systems by ridership article, and offer the only consistent comparison across different systems.--Loodog (talk) 04:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridership stats 

message: In the main article is the claim that the rolling stock of 25 additional vehicles "were delivered January -March 2010". How can this be as it is only Mid February when I write this addition to the article? Yes they may be scheduled for delivery between january, through march, but until the chickens are not all hatched I would not count all of the eggs as being delivered. Richard416282 (talk) 05:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stock Delivery Dates 

message: I have started a discussion at Talk:LYNX Blue Line Extension#Move proposal regarding the creation of an article for the Blue Line separate from this LYNX system article. Please comment there. --Scott Alter (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dedicated Blue Line article 

message: This seems to be a very confusing circumstance now. I'm not sure that CityLYNX Gold Line should be considered "part" of this system. Can somebody show where both Blue and Gold lines are considered part of the "same" system called Lynx Rapid Transit Services? (itself misnamed as neither light rail or streetcar are actually "rapid transit")... In any case, this is a bit of a mess as the Blue Line is light rail, and the Gold Line is streetcar, and anywhere else that I can think of where both types of systems are in operation, the light rail and streetcar systems are considered "separate systems" (e.g. Seattle and Portland). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In truth, it isn't, they are two separate beasts.  Also, funding is different as the Gold Line is totally funded by the City of Charlotte, thus called CityLYNX.  However, they are part of the system together of future color lines that utilize light rail, street car and possibly commuter rail, all within' CATS.  If you don't feel they should be lumped together, what proposals do you suggest the articles should be organized?  --WashuOtaku (talk) 21:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really have an answer for that. I'm asking really because I'm more concerned about how to handle this at places like Light rail in the United States, Streetcars in North America, etc., where Portland's and Seattle's streetcar systems are handled separately from their light rail ones. In my opinion, Lynx's Blue and Gold lines should be treated as separate systems on these pages for the same reason. As for this article, I think it needs to be made very clear that while both are part of Charlotte's overall "transit system", these two lines can't really be considered part of one unified "light rail" system, because they really don't seem to be. Also if the two lines' owners, or operators, are separate entities, then that would "cinch it" that these are, in fact, two distinct systems. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstood, the funding for the street car is from the City, but it and everything else is still managed/operated by CATS.  As for a break out, Charlotte just now has two lines that happen to be different from each other; would we have enough original content to break it out further with LYNX and CityLYNX and then Blue Line and Gold Line.  It just seems a lot of departmentalizing for such little amount of information at this time.  But hey, that is why we talk about it here. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You say CATS operates both – do you know who "owns" each line? For example, does the city own the Gold Line, but CATS (or some other entity) own the Blue Line?... But circling back to your earlier point, they may be under a "unified transit system" with different "colored" lines, but that doesn't mean that, say, any future LYNX Red Line should be "counted in" with, say, the Blue Line, as the former is commuter rail, and the latter is light rail, which makes them "different modes". The problem is that things get a little "fuzzier" when it's light rail vs. streetcar. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You seemed very confused that this one particular line is funded differently but is still OWNED and OPERATED by the Charlotte Area Transit System.  Explaining this would be a long write-up, the quick summary is that its existence has been controversial from the start. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

text:  Oh, and you're right about the "over-compartmentalizing" thing. I think that's why I'm wondering if this article should exist. The CATS article should cover the whole network. The Blue and Gold lines should get their own articles (and apparently do, now). But does this article need to exist? Is a separate "Lynx Rapid Transit Services" really it's own "thing"? Or should content from this article be merged in to those other articles, and this article then converted into a redirect?... I think that's a real question worth pondering now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Considering some of the articles were recently broken out here, I'm going to say merging is not an option at this time.  It is true that CATS uses a branding of LYNX as light rail and CityLYNX as streetcar, at this time.  However, I'm hoping others will also way in on this discussion before anything further happens to the layout of these articles. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good idea. If you put in the Requested move, I'll support it... It is kind of a shame to "lose" this article, as it's currently a "Good article" – if this article is divvied up, it means the destination articles will have to be nominated as good articles separately... In any case, I agree with you that it looks like this needs to be done, regardless. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  If consensus can be reached here, there is no need for an RM. We can just do it ourselves. --Scott Alter (talk) 10:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm fine with the changes.  --WashuOtaku (talk) 21:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I just changed the category structure. :Category:Charlotte Area Transit System is now the main category for all the articles and templates. This new categorization fits most other transit system categorization on Wikipedia, so it shouldn't have been controversial at all. I'll hold off for a bit on dividing up this article to see if more people comment. --Scott Alter (talk) 04:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the proposed moves per the reasons set out above. Conifer (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  CityLYNX Gold Line