Talk:Scientology Task Force of the Hamburg Interior Authority

message: I wonder if there is any literature/citations explaining how they ended up with that logo.  Smee 11:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, I state the following up to the signature: Obviously they refer to an "Irrgarten (german word for «maze»; literally "crazy-garden" or "failure-garden")"... They obviously wish to create the impression, that SCN is misleading and the Dollar ($) sign seems to be the goal, which is (unnecessarily) difficult (up to lethal results by starvation) to reach (luckily there is Urs. Cab. Y. Diaz... Yahoo!!!)... It is also true, that outside of SCN it can be unnecessarily difficult and there might be early leathal results (even without being a person, that is considered to be "black" by CoS/SCN)... --Homer Landskirty 08:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An Irrgarten, quite interesting.  I see that we do not have an article on this term, and from what you say it sounds like there could be potential for one...  Smee 08:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But we have an article maze... Irrgarten is semantically the same in german language... The point here is the word game (if u translate "irr" and "garten" literally u get something like "crazy"/"failure" and "garden"... since some hours I have an association about "funny farm", too...)... :-) --Homer Landskirty 08:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see.  Thanks for the elaboration.  Smee 08:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OKI... no prob... :-) --Homer Landskirty 09:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: This article seems very cheerful - gleeful, even - about reporting the task force's criticisms of Scientology. The tone of it could be made to sound more impartial. Sentences like "The task force was reported to have successfully excluded the Scientologists from infiltrating the real estate market in Hamburg" makes it sound as if the Wikipedia article is supporting the task force's efforts. If "infiltrating" is their word and not Wikipedia's, it should be in quotation marks, lest it sound as if it is Wikipedia's opinion that for a Scientologist to purchase real estate in Germany constitutes "infiltration" of its market. wikipediatrix 13:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree (again): It sounds like Wikipedia wants to say, that this special task force leaded by a female is a criminal organization, that discriminates without good reason (e.g. several banks have their "fingers" in real estate market, while they have shown at least a neutral position vis-a-vis apartheid, and while the government neither hinders such banks nor accuses them of anything). --Homer Landskirty 08:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tone 

message: This seems rather one-sided as it does not include any of the objections by the Church of Scientology, by the United States Department of State, by the United Nations. And plenty more. Pretty one-sided. --Justanother 12:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for tagging this article.  If you know of some contrasting sources and can add them, you are welcome to.  I have fixed any language which might suggest that Wikipedia endorses the actions of the Scientology Task Force of the Hamburg Interior Authority.  I will remove the PoV tag accordingly. ClaudeReigns 13:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we want to remove the POV tag, let's remove the one-sided POV material. We are reporting on the Task Force, not on the RPF. We have an RPF article. This is part of the larger topic "Scientology and Germany", which begs an article. Such would also include the Sect Commissioner of the Lutheran Church. I am on a break but that overarching article is something that I want to work on when I return. --Justanother 13:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  I think the title of the report and the link is sufficient to inform the reader as to possible concerns without having to include the abstract.  I can't even recall where that's been done before in Wikipedia. ClaudeReigns 13:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. Do you read German? --Justanother 14:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nein.  My specialties are French and Russian.  But I do have my resources.  If you ever need a translation in any language let me know.  ClaudeReigns 14:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Danke, Merci, Спасибо (that last one is a Google translations). I was hoping that you might be able to search on German Google (http://www.google.de/) for notable criticism of this group and of the overall discriminatory actions against Scientoilogy in Germany. There is English material from the State Dept. and the UN and some BBC material but it would be good to get the German sources. --Justanother 14:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality tag 

message: I have learned (or I believe that I have learned) in german wikipedia, that there is no possible way to proof if some "system of ideas (or ideology)" is a religion... Consequently even "automobile production companies" (like Mercedes or BMW or Rolls Royce) r religions, since they promise safety and freedom... Shoudnt we mention that somewhere (I mean, that the question "Is it a religon?" has to be answered with "Yes." in many cases...)? --Homer Landskirty 08:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw.: The protestantic christians taught me a quite easy classification of religions: Jews, Christians and Satanists (which would be everything else: e.g. Catholics)... :-) --Homer Landskirty 09:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  religion related claims 

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