Talk:List of terrorist incidents in London

message: Since when were the Nazis terrorists? Don't get me wrong, I'm not fond of them, but they were the government of Germany at the time and it followed an official declaration of war made by Britain--Elfbadger 10:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The War-torn London section

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the July 7 London Bombings be placed in this as well? And if it is, I think this page should redirect to that and this should be a disambiguation page as most people who come to it would most likely be looking for the July 7 bombings.
JUST TO ADD- Something else missing, the 2001 Ealing Broadway IRA bombing is missing as well
ALSO TO ADD- The 1976 West Ham Tube bombing.. shouldn't that also be on this page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.144.200 (talk) 18:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be bold and add the missing events. --hydrox (talk) 07:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Something's missing

message: Is POV and should be altered to a more correct or neutral title--Vintagekits 17:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it should be called politically driven attacks in London?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.12.189 (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: List of bombings in London would be the most neutral title. The word "terrorist" is politically-loaded, and all but two of the incidents listed here are bomb attacks. ~Asarlaí 14:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Too vague, as by definition it could be taken to include First & Second World War aerial bombing. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about List of bomb attacks in London? There's a disambiguation at the top of the page anyway (For the German bombing of London during World War II, see The Blitz). ~Asarlaí 18:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent idea. Gob Lofa (talk) 06:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a long dead discussion and as there has bee no recent debate you should have reopened the discussion not just gone ahead with the move. I will ask an Admin to Undo the move as it cannot be reverted.Tmol42 (talk) 22:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of this article  

message: What is the exact criteria for adding incidients to this list?--Vintagekits 14:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for addition 

message: Should the song by Eskimo Joe Called London Bombs also be included in this wiki page or added as a Disambiguation ? Remingtond 14:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this also include the song by Eskimo Joe ? 

message: What's the connection between Islamist terrorism and the middle east? Misheu 10:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle East 

message: Oppose there have been enough terrotist attacks in London to justify a seperate list from List of terrorist incidents in the United Kingdom --Philip Baird Shearer 10:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into [[Terrorism in the United Kingdom]] 

message: Bomb blast in the Tower of London - Quite surprised that this is not in here... Willdow  (Talk) 13:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tower of London 1974 

message: Noticed right away that the Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was missing; likely there are many more earlier incidents missing as well. Thanks! 70.42.54.162 (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing Prior to 1867? 

message: *(terrorist OR terrorism) AND "in London" got "About 355,000 results" in news
*(terrorist OR terrorism) AND "in London" got "About 197,000 results" in books
*"terrorist incidents" "in London" got "About 334 results" in news
*"terrorist incidents" "in London" got "About 2,250 results" in books
*("Violent non-state actor" OR VNSA) AND "in London" got "1 result" in news
*("Violent non-state actor" OR VNSA) AND "in London" got "About 183 results" in books
GregKaye 11:16, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Search results re [[WP:UCRN]]

message: Gob Lofa, the most basic search of google scholar on 'terrorism' + "gun powder plot' will give you both a book and several articles.   You are more than capable of checking that sort of thing before you start edit warring.  If you need a reference then we use Milton, the Gunpowder Plot, and the Mythography of Terror by Robert Applebaum or one of several others. ----Snowded TALK 20:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And you still haven't done that. Why not? Gob Lofa (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it isn't necessary ----Snowded TALK 21:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, according to the MOS. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've no objection to your adding a reference if you think it is necessary.  Policy requires citation only if something is challenged, littering articles with citations for things which are universally accepted is discouraged.  So if you are genuinely arguing that an attempt to blow up the legislative assembly of a country is not an act of terrorism, then a citation can be added.   ----Snowded TALK 08:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Why indulge him/her? ----Snowded TALK 14:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not, no. Targets don't tend to be unbiased. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject. 2.96.105.170 (talk) 23:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't lack supporting information. We lack an objective assessment of whether or not the GP constitutes terrorism, and the target probably shouldn't be our first port of call. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gun Powder Plot 

message: If we're including isolated incidents like the shopping centre attack a couple of years ago, surely the deliberate, politically motivated murder of a sitting politician would qualify? The perpetrator himself has said it was a politically motivated killing. Surely that's the essence of terrorism? 108.171.128.174 (talk) 11:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Her murder might belong on another list, but, as she was attacked and died in Birstall, West Yorkshire, not on this one.--DavidCane (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder of Jo Cox? 

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message: Couldn't pretty much all of these be included in the 'Attacks related to Middle East politics' section?
Kohran (talk) 05:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Any relationship is more indirect than earlier events and have some distinct characters. Pincrete (talk) 09:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Most of the older attacks were not attacks on UK per se, more often London was the - almost accidental - site of a mid-Eastern conflict. Most 21st century events have been 'homegrown', large numbers of them relate to Islamism - which is only indirectly linked to mid-east. Pincrete (talk) 15:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Attacks in the 21st century' 

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message: This really shouldn`t be included in this article, pending the Police investigation. Just now the article is as per below;
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;2018
* 14 August 2018: At around 07:37 BST, a car was driven at speed into a group of cyclists outside the Palace of Westminster. A man in his 20s was detained on suspicion of terrorist offences. Ten people were injured, including two who were hospitalised.
"
There was video released by the traffic-division of police or TfL, showing the entire incident, starting clearly showing;
* driving very slowly (as if considering whether to complete leaving the roundabout southbound)
* continuing within the roundabout
* a person (pedestrian, cyclist, policeman, unidentified security agent, etc.) wearing highvisibility vest suddenly jumps out towards the vehicle
* the vehicle drastically changes course, drawing the attention of several heavily-armed security, enters northbound lane
* attempting to get out of the northbound lane back into southbound, driver hits other non-vehicular traffic (cyclists)
* crashes into barriers erected betwixt public-realm thoroughfare, fullstop
but not clearly showing;
* turn signals/indicators/blinkers
* traffic-code or highway-code posted roadsigns, traffic-lights, or temporary diversion signage
The description currently says "driven AT SPEED into cyclists" but is not realistic, as the driver was going slowly until the ambulance came across his right-wing-mirror and the person jumped/rode out towards his left-passenger/rear door.
If that was "intentional" terror-attacking, the speed could have and would have been exponentially greater, along with subsequent fear thereof.
This article needs improvement but not as badly as the newspapers need selling. 126.209.47.203 (talk) 13:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parliament Car Crash driver "spooked" before making wrong turn into anti-terror wall 

message: Surely the placing of explosives under the benches of MP`s deemed undesireable by the Stern Gang should be included in this article about London. That was around the time of the King David Hotel Bombing by the same terrorist militants.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.209.47.203 (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are corroborating details on the Stern Gang article (but I didn't have time to add refs) Pincrete (talk) 20:24, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lehi/[[Stern Gang]] wiring of parcel-bombs under the benches at Westminster Hall/ Commons/Lords 

message: Unsurprisingly  and  are confirmed sockuppets of Gordimalo (that's AmSam 13). So I see no reason why the Suffragettes addition should be allowed to stand, especially in the face of the community consensus that applies to all "List of terrorist incidents in..." articles. FDW777 (talk) 17:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Socks

message: We have above a proposal from @DeFacto as modified by Snowded that would read:
”With increased militancy in the movement in 1913, some Suffragettes and the authorities talked of arson and bomb attacks as terrorism. Contemporary newspaper reports likewise spoke of ‘Suffragette Terrorism’ in the UK and US. Some recent scholarship has sought to describe Suffragette actions as terrorist but this remains controversial".
Seems reasonable. It refers to a use of the term "terrorism" that is clearly subjective on part of those who either announced they were instituting "a reign of terror" by, say,  smashing windows in the West End, or who claimed, not merely to have been outraged, but to haven been "terrorised" by the bomb damage to the Coronation Chair. But how seriously should we take a rhetoric that would confuse such actions with those deliberately intended to take life or limb, or which are indifferent to substantial risks bodily injury of loss to others? Perhaps there are exceptions, but the risks in Suffragette "direct actions" were generally those assumed by the militants themselves. Of course there were those in the press and in government who regarded the suffragettes refusal of food--their prison hunger strikes--as "terrorism"ManfredHugh (talk)
:Might I suggest it would be clearer if you !voted in the section above where this is being discussed?
:The proposal was from me, not . I am very glad to see that we are close to agreement: 5 editors agree to the broad outline proposed and no-one's disagreed. Great! We're just down to the detailed wording of the last sentence: 3 for mine, 2 for 's. The 2 versions aren't miles away from each other, but as per my earlier comments, I remind all that we need to follow reliable sources, and I don't think reliable sources quite support Snowded's revised wording. I am happy to see more editors weigh in, or a third wording be suggested for that final sentence. Bondegezou (talk) 09:51, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nit picking "Some recent scholarship has sought to describe Suffragette actions … " would be simpler & clearer as "Some recent scholarship has described/describes Suffragette actions … ". And is there a more specific term than 'recent'?. Pincrete (talk) 10:01, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  As Bondegezou has established, it would be inappropriate to simply state that “some” recent scholarship has described their actions as terrorism, since that implies that this is a minority view, and it is clear that a majority of reliable sources share this view not a minority. Delayed Laugh (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal re. Suffragette "Terrorism"

message: In discussion above, there were 4 editors (including myself) in support of my introductory paragraph draft. 2 editors supported the idea of an introductory paragraph and part of the text proposed, but wanted a variation on the final sentence. Others have supported the broad approach but have not expressed a view on the proposed draft text.
There is clear consensus for an introductory paragraph and for much of what it should say. There is some disagreement on the final sentence, but a 4:2 majority for one version. Given discussion has died down, I have WP:BOLDly edited the article to add an introductory paragraph close to the draft I proposed. I've tweaked this a bit to make things clearer and to achieve some small degree of compromise with the alternate wording suggested. I'm not suggesting this new paragraph is set in stone. I am happy to see it edited (respecting discussion here) or further discussed here, but we've had a lot of discussion and I felt we were close enough to something that it was acceptable to make this move. Bondegezou (talk) 12:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Trying an introductory paragraph