Talk:List of Newspeak words

message: "Thoughtcrime" should be removed from this page, since it's an English word in 1984, not a Newspeak word. The Newspeak equivalent is "crimethink". (In Newspeak, "think" serves as both noun and verb, so the word "thought" is unneeded and is abolished.) 
I'm also fairly sure that "vaporize" is a standard English word in 1984, not Newspeak, though I'll double-check that in the book tonight.
One thing to keep in mind--just because an odd expression is used in 1984, does not mean that the expression is necessarily Newspeak. Newspeak is the official language of the Party, but it is not, at the time of the book, the dominant language; its official adoption date is set for some seventy years later. As is noted in the book, many of the party's slogans would not actually be renderable in Newspeak; one could not translate "Freedom is Slavery" into Newspeak, since there is no Newspeak word meaning "freedom". — Narsil 23:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thoughtcrime

message: I'm not sure that the section on 'the problematic doubleplus' is appropriate for this article. Firstly, while the article itself is a discussion of reasonably important Newspeak words, this section is a discussion of how effective a particular word (or prefix) happens to be; and more generally, the section is not so much a description of Newspeak as a critique of whether the language actually functions in the way Orwell/Ingsoc intended it to.
As it happens, I think the critique is itself mistaken. The purpose of Newspeak, as stated in the book, is not "to make it impossible to think unorthodox thoughts", but, rather, to make it impossible to express unorthodox thoughts in any coherent way (or to think them coherently, insofar as thought depends on language). It would always be possible to phrase crimethinkful opinions--if it's grammatically possible to say "Goldstein is ungood", it's possible to say "Ingsoc is ungood". But what is impossible, in Newspeak, is to explain why Ingsoc is ungood; the language simply does not have the ability to articulate arguments against totalitarianism.
But that's beside the point. It might be that this discussion (whether Newspeak actually succeeds in making it impossible to articulate ungoodthinkful ideas) is appropriate to the article on Newspeak as a whole; but I don't think it makes sense in this article, intended just to be a list of the more important Newspeak words. Narsil 23:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Newspeak is intended to do both. Certainly, it is intended to prevent people from having a vocabulary in which to express rebellious thoughts, but also to prevent the rebellious thoughts themselves as much as possible. Orwell himself writes it elsewhere in the appendix: "There were also certain irregularities in word-formation arising out of the need forrapid and easy speech. Aword which was difficult to utter, or was liable to be incorrectly heard [my emphasis], was held to to be ipso facto a bad word. Occasionally, therefore, for the sake of euphony, extra letters were inserted into a word or an archaic formation was retained". It just did not occur to Orwell that this applied very much to the difference between "Doubleplusgood" and "Doubleplusungood". But I think that to to the Party it would have occured long before the completion of worl on Newspeak in 2050, and that they might well have decided that this justified the retention of an archaic word like "evil" or the like. Adam keller 06:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been bold and removed the section. It was not well-written, and the speculation about "un" (not doubleplus) being problematic was entirely unsourced (WP:NOR again). Robin Johnson (talk) 10:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I somehow got from somehwere the impression that the purpose of having a discussion in Wikipedia is to reach a consensus before taking that kind of action, but it seems I was wrong. Adam keller 04:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on 'the problematic Doubleplus' 

message: Should goodsex be on the list of other Newspeak words? It has a paragraph with sexcrime earlier on the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.137.6 (talk) 02:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scratch Goodsex? 

message: I’ve added a quotation from Orwell’s appendix, “The principles of Newspeak”.  To avoid redundancy I wonder if it wouldn’t be pertinent to remove this ―:
:Syme, who works on the Newspeak Dictionary, tells Winston:
―and instead fill the gap in the brackets of the appendix quotation (in bold type below)?  
―Cesar Tort 19:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duckspeak 

message: A lot of the items in this section are part of the internal ministry jargon, which Orwell describes as being influenced by Newspeak, but not fully Newspeak. AnonMoos 15:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Other Newspeak words"

message: Words that have their own article should just redirect to the corresponding article. For example, "Minipax" should just redirect to "Ministry of Peace" right away. Anyone for making this change?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.228.245.174 (talk) 03:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words w/ their own article 

message: "all other forms of sex" links to "extra marital sex" but that's hardly accurate, since "all other forms of sex" could include the following non-extra-marital acts:
-masturbation
-female orgasm
-oral sex
-anal sex
-sex with a contraceptive  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.170.84.2 (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  sex crime 

message: Hi,
I'm in a group of students at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA (USA). For a project in our Linguistics course, we're editing, cleaning up, and enhancing the Wikipedia page on Newspeak. I'm wondering if I can add some of the vocabulary and descriptions on this page to the main Newspeak page. Does anyone have any concerns or objections? Thanks,
KadoruKadoru (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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thread_title: 2013

message: I think that this page should be merged with the Newspeak page, the page already has a list of all the words mentioned on this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.196.87 (talk) 18:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: we have plenty of glossary pages (:Category:Wikipedia glossaries), but this one was a hybrid of an article page and and a glossary. I've cut it down to a pure glossary, all article like sections were duplicates, with added coatracking, of existing articles and sections, and where these exist these have been linkjed.--KTo288 (talk) 02:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: merge?

message: This would seem like the natural antonym for goodthink does anyone know if the novel or its adaptations ever use it instead of crimethink as an opposite? Ranze (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, the opposite of "good" is "ungood" (see appendix).  "Ungoodthink" would probably be an allowable word, but the two words "Crimethink" and "Oldthink" seem to be used instead... AnonMoos (talk) 13:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Badthink

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It appears that many of the Newspeak words' pages (e.g. "doubleplusgood") redirect to Newspeak; plus, a glossary could be added there. This page has minimal additional information and could be merged easily. Hdjensofjfnen (♪ Oh, can I get a connection? Alternatively, trout me.) 03:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Newspeak]] 

message: Following the merging of List of Newspeak words and Newspeak, I highly suggest that we delete this. Opinions?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTeaDrinker (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy Delete Proposal