Talk:Eternal Father, Strong to Save

message: There's a sentence that this hymn is usually sung to the tune Lodsworth in the article. Where does this come from? I have universally heard Melita. Jhlister (talk) 15:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Rudyard Kipling's Recessional (poem) is also set to Melita, and is notably used by Australia and New Zealand in ANZAC Day services.  I'd like to add it here but am unsure whether that's appropriate. Either that, or a page about Melita itself might need to be added -- it's the tune for several hymns, not just some for the US military.  Raena 18:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recessional 

message: Anyone know what the status of the revised version is ?
ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright in later additions 

message: I wrote the following verse:
Most Holy Jesus who didst die
for our sins he was sacrificed.
Forgive the sins we daily do
And help us to return to you
Oh, Holy spir't who made us whole
protect our serving soldier's souls.
Is it appropriate to add with the others?
Thehuskarl, 06/17/09  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehuskarl (talk • contribs) 00:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, you wouldn't see fan-made verses of Madonna's "Like a Virgin" on that page either, so you shouldn't post them here either. Alec92 (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other verses 

message: About half the article is taken up with additional verses, not a single one of which is cited. Shouldn't the article stick to its core topic, the hymn itself, and perhaps truly notable variations?  (I've already removed one, which had errors of punctuations so basic and fundamentally flawed, it suggested a single sailor could staff an entire ship!)
I guess some people might still want to see this material in Wikipedia. If the consensus is indeed to preserve these variants, I suggest that they be moved into a separate article, something like "Eternal Father, strong to save (additional verses)".
Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion - tag the additional verses (or just the section(s)) as needing sources. If sources don't present themselves (and hence the verses seem to be non-notable), they can be removed after a reasonable amount of time. Doniago (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I guess I'm more of a cynic (smile). I'm not opposed to an article for the variant/additional verses, but I also feel that any that remain unsourced should be deleted entirely. Depending on how many we actually find sources for, article balance may not be a problem after clean-up's taken place. Doniago (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, you're welcome to start one, but I don't think I could support it unless there's third-party sourcing establishing that these other verses have significance of their own. Just because they exist doesn't mean they're notable. Doniago (talk) 13:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional verses 

message: Oh Guardian of domestic calm,
Please hear this small, but urgent psalm.
From all along the "Thin Blue Line,"
Thy servants watch for danger's sign.
Oh, guide their actions on the street,
For those in peril on the beat.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.117.168 (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional verse for our police officers in harm's way 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The content of this section should be in chronological order, as it is a type of history section. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It also needs additional sourcing; especially sourcing that establishes that these are indeed "notable" uses. DonIago (talk) 17:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable uses 

message: Doniago has twice reverted my reference to the inclusion of the entire hymn in Benjamin Britten's cantata "Noye's Fludde". I referred him/her to the vocal score published by Boosey & Hawkes in 1958 but this was not enough for him/her. On page 44 of the score, the entire cast begin singing the words "Eternal Father, strong to save" and there is a footnote "*[J. B. Dykes: W. Whiting}. It carries on to page 48, and the words "For those in peril on the sea." I trust this is sufficient to satisfy him/her that "the score specifically mentions that it's using EFStS". (I see now also
that it is already mentioned in the entry for the cantata.) --Hugh7 (talk) 09:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If the score specifically mentions that it is using EFSTS, with appropriate accreditation, then I would consider that satisfactory. I don't have access to the score so am unable to verify that for myself one way or another. DonIago (talk) 14:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is as I said: it uses the entire text and names the hymnodists, but no, it does not mention that it is doing so. --Hugh7 (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So...at best it's an "uncredited" mention? That would be problematic. DonIago (talk) 20:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not 'an "uncredited" mention' it's a use of the entire song, with credits to the authors. How is that problematic? Since it uses the entire text of EFStS including the title words, to add the title as well would be superfluous. Peter Evans' exhaustive "The Music of Benjamin Britten" (Dent 1979, 562pp) takes the use of the hymn so much for granted that he never names it in full: "...'Eternal Father' is a cry of faith from the centre of the storm..." (p273) - and in the previous sentence he refers to "the body of universally familiar English hymnody" - so I guess that won't satisfy Doniago either. --Hugh7 (talk) 00:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that you felt the need to passive-aggressively snark at me in your above message, I feel it is best to wait until other editors weigh in on this. DonIago (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Britten's 'Noye's Fludde'

message: As many Wikipedia pages as I've ever seen fit to modify or correct over the years, I have frankly never encountered one as screwed up as this particular inexplicably animated template overlapping the entire right side of the text which apparently starts to extend from top to bottom only upon clicking the first audio sample, but continues uncontrollably even when pausing that audio. I certainly have no idea at all how to begin to address the issue, let alone take on what I must assume may be extensive reformatting, if not some relatively simple "close template box" or similar command which I would hope and trust someone else with more experience and inclination to troubleshoot the matter can correct or add.
RRawpower (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I played the three audio clips I saw on the page within Google Chrome and wasn't able to reproduce this, unfortunately. DonIago (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major template problem on this page 

message: The only thing missing in my In Popular Culture edits were the sources. But instead of sourcing it, it was deleted for possible vandalism. There was NO vandalism whatsoever and I suggest In Popular Culture be added back with correct sources. Lostfan333 (talk) 00:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have sources, reinsert the information with those sources? Or are you asking other people to do your research for you? DonIago (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in my edit summary was there the word vandalism? Anyways, as I've said, Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save#Notable_uses is a far superior way to present this (the information is already there, with more accuracy, too) than the usual popular culture list-bloats. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  01:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're far superior as well so I'll agree with your point and ignore any further editing to this page. Thank you for the feedback. Lostfan333 (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture