Talk:Refaat Al-Gammal

message: Came to this from the ar.wikipedia article and found that its a little messy.  Could use some citations, NPOVing, et cetera.  You know, the works. Elijahmeeks 18:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Please bring source that Mossad admitted anything. The source should be a Mossad press release or official response to Israeli press.--Shrike 13:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last reverts

message: Shrike, we're not here to judge whether Al-Gammal was a double agent or not
I presented the way Egyptians think of him according to the information published by our Intelligence and let you publish the information published by your book
But the problem is you're arguing that the court rejected the Egyptian Citizenship for his wife and son because "Probably!" he was a double agent, that's what you say.
but actually that's not true and even illogical, if our government thinks he's a double agent then why would they publish his story and make him a national hero?? why didn't they arrest him in any of his visits to Egypt?? why are our retired intelligence agents still speak proudly of Al-Gammal even now.
I hope you're now convinced that Al-Gammal was not a double agent, at least that's what the government believes, the court believed and we believe!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usama707 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Again The Double Agent Issue

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message: Some sources claim that the information published by the Egyptian Intelligence is pure fiction and that the Shin Bet knew about Al-Gammal from the early beginning and converted him into a double agent to work for them, and that he provided false information to the Egyptians which led to the destruction of the Egyptian Air Force in the Six-Day War.The Spies: Israel's Counter-Espionage Wars, Yossi Melman, Eitan Haber A recent publication, Mossad - The Greatest Missions of the Israeli Secret Service (Bar-Zohar and Mishal, Harper Collins, 2014: 126) supports this claim. It claims that Al-Gammal has been working as a double agent for the Israelis for more than 12 years. This resulted in one of the greatest successes of the Israeli secret service. On the eve of the 6-day war (during which Israel conquered the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Sinai desert) Al-Gammal sent expertly doctored Israeli information to his Egyptian superiors that Israel would first launch a ground attack before sending its aircraft into battle. The misleading information, in combination with a classic 'maskirovca' action by the Israeli air force, lulled the Egyptian air force into laxity. On the 5th June 1967 Israel used its 196 strike aircraft in what was later known as Operation Moked; the surprise attack in which it destroyed within a 48-hour period no less than 416 Arab aircraft - 393 on the ground - at the loss of only 26 Israeli Aircraft (The Six Day War 1967: Sinai, Simon Dunstan, 2009:39, Osprey Publishing).The source for the first sentence is this Haaretz piece and supposedly The Spies: Israel's Counter-Espionage Wars. I say supposedly because there isnt any information on where in that book one might find this material. The Haarets doesnt quite support most of that sentence however, saying only that the GSS says that al-Gammal was caught and flipped and that he helped in 1967. The rest of the material doesnt establish where in any of those sources any of the material is supported. And WP:LEAD is pretty clear that we dont dump a bunch of crap that isnt in the main article into the lead. Shrike, could you explain why you are restoring such poorly sourced material to the lead of the article? nableezy - 15:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  poorly sourced material 

message: You can added the following section Personal life:
Al-Gammal married a German woman, Weltrude Scheffeldt who was then 22 years old and a mother of a girl named Andrea, in 1963. They had together one son, Daniel. 59.7.164.196 (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: This isn’t enough information to start a new section in the article. That’s not to say that a personal life section wouldn’t be helpful, just that you’d need to provide more content for it. I suggest opening another section on this talk page to discuss the addition of such a section and its contents with other editors. Once you’ve reached a consensus you can open a new edit request asking for the agreed upon changes to be made. — Tartan357  (Talk) 07:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020 

message: due to this page’s protected status, regular users cannot add a short description, please add one if you can Editor8778 (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have one already.Selfstudier (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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