Talk:Pregnancy options counseling

message: "In fact, such centers exist to manipulate women into continuing their pregnancies, and may use tactics such as providing misinformation that will lead women to delay their decision until they are beyond the legal time limits for pregnancy termination."  This statement is POV.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.191.71 (talk) 12:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: This article was again reverted with no attempts by certain others at discussion. I am replacing it with the version from yesterday that had more contributions and was better expanded. --User:Monnicat (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverts

message: It has been hard to find a definition of "Pregnancy options counseling" that is not supplied by a pro-life or pro-choice source.  The closest thing I found is from the Council on Accreditation.  They state that "Organizations that offer counseling on all possible options for the pregnancy (i.e., parenting, adoption or other transfer of custody, and termination) will be considered to provide Pregnancy Options Counseling." 
I think that this is fair, the concern I have is the next line, that clearly refers to organizations that offer something else, such as adoption agencies or some churches.
"Organizations that offer counseling only on parenting and adoption or other transfer of custody (i.e., not on termination) will be considered to provide Birth Options Counseling." 
I am concerned that CPC that offer Pregnancy Options Counseling will be said to actually offer Birth Options Counseling.  The fact is that all CPCs do provide information about abortion and discuss the abortion option with the client. (What they don't do is give women a list of abortion clinics.)  Comments?--User:Monnicat (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, without a citation, your concern does not belong in the article. If we have a source that says CPCs are different from "Pregnancy Option Counseling" then that basically settles it. Without another source, we cannot try to present CPCs' form of counseling as anything different. Keep in mind what I said above. Please try hard to avoid editing articles to insert your own personal views. We can only report on what the sources say. That said, I don't mean to discourage you. I really appreciate you taking the time to search for sources. That is a very good first step. That said, I think the former two sentence paragraph is fine. I believe it is worth mentioning CPCs somewhere in this article, I think qualifying their form of counseling as "controversial" works in this context, and mentioning their critics is good. I think one more sentence perhaps from a more sympathetic source would wrap up that paragraph. Something like, "CPCs are praised by X because of Y". -Andrew c [talk] 17:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: That is nonsense.  CPCs clearly attempt to steer women away from abortion.  "Providing counseling on all options" means presenting the options and helping the woman make the best choice for her, not "presenting two of the options, vilifying the third, and refusing to help the woman access the third if that is what she chooses".  Photouploaded (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just as you said "Of course Planned Parenthood claims to give "unbiased" counseling," I can say "Of course CPCs claim to give "unbiased" counseling". I mean, if you can cite anecdotal evidence from a blogging UNC student that PP is biased, surely we can cite a University of Maryland student that says CPCs didn't want to discuss abortion, and used scared tactics etc.   But this shouldn't be about us determining who is unbiased, and citing non-notable, anecdotal evidence. The point remains that, forgetting the allegations of bias on both sides for the time being, that CPCs admittedly encourage "the provision of positive alternatives to abortion" and therefore provide a different form of options counseling. A "guided" form, if you will (that is, taken that premise pregnancy options counseling should be supportive and non-directive). I found an interesting, clearly scholarly source from Journal of Midwifery & Women's Health Volume 49, Issue 3, May-June 2004, Pages 235-242   "Options counseling: techniques for caring for women with unintended pregnancies". The article does not discuss bias at all, but does describe an ideal form of counseling, cites other sources that we should probably look into, and makes the interesting statement that pregnancy options counseling should also be contrasted with abortion counseling, a type of counseling that "is provided to women who have already decided not to continue their pregnancies". Anyway, I will continue my research and see what I come up with.-Andrew c [talk] 16:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions

message: I just posted a note in Abortion that this article is currently not mentioned there at all.  I can't even see a section where it would logically be mentioned. Simesa (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed a note in Talk:Abortion and a wikilink into See Also in Abortion debate. Simesa (talk) 23:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Abortion]]

message: Part of the problem with this article is obviously a terminology issue: "pregnancy options counseling" is used for counseling by social workers at family planning clinics, counseling by doctors in their offices, and sometimes for counseling by non-professionals at crisis pregnancy centers!
However, that isn't what's at fault for the fact that the text just doesn't cite any sources. Sources exist that give guidance on pregnancy options counseling both for social workers at clinics and for doctors - why isn't any of this cited?
My real question, though (which I need to ask before overhauling the article myself), is: Should we have a separate section for each kind of "pregnancy options counseling"? Are they appreciably different, or can the differences be addressed in the first sentence or two by indicating that the service is provided either at X location by Y or at W location by Z?
-- Roscelese (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article has problems 

message: We would like to expand on the options that these women have regarding their pregnancy. We want to expand on the ideas of parenting, abortion, and adoption. We will discuss the aspects of each option and expand on each option.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexisdupuy (talk • contribs) 04:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea Proposal