Talk:Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Archive 1

message: This page mentions a band called Stellastar. I'm pretty sure there's no band called that, but tiere is one called Stellastarr*. Anyone have any confirmationa bout which band it is?
I think the band that sings the end theme is Starsailor (The Bread 03:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What band

message: Intro re: information coming from Trailers and Konami site
The rest as it currently is.
Can we call the dispute resolved? Sockatume 21:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, now we've just got to wait for whoever protected the thing to unprotect it. Bleurgh. I'm going to throw in some extra odds and ends of information about the baddies which I've gleaned from the trailers when I get the chance. Sockatume 21:28, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Villains of Snake Eater

message: Before changing this again, please read up on the differences between the AC-130 Spectre and the MC-130 Combat Talon. Regardless of what Snake calls it, the plane is demonstrably designed in the manner of an AC-130. The in-game plane has weapons on its port side, the MC-130 does not. The in-game plane is described as having the firepower to take out a tank, the MC-130 does not have any firepower save defensive flares. I also note that whenever this gets changed, only the name gets changed, not the designation. Having either variation of the C-130 would be an anachronism, unless you can point to a canonical reference that actually states that the plane in the game is supposed to be a "secret black op". The planes did not exist before 1967 and 1966, respectively. -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 18:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spectre vs Combat Talon 

message: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater will have revolutionary gameplay based on camouflauge. There will be a meter called the "camouflauge index" to determine how visible the character is, on a scale of 100%. The player will be able to put on various uniforms like "Tiger Stripe" or "Olive Drab" in conjunction with face painting. There will also be a fake crocodile head to wear. Hideo Kojima has included a "Naked" camo, which is basically renders the player character shirtless. This function is for "Rambo" type players, he says.
The Camouflauge Campaign, a competition allowing people to get a chance to design a camoflauge for the game, started and ended in the early spring and summer of 2004.
I spelled camouflauge wrong.Andre Wong 21:42, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Gameplay Details

message: Can someone who has bought the game update this page?
:Well, I finished it a few days ago. I guess those of us who have done the same compare notes and work on this along with the other articles (like Revolver Ocelot, Big Boss, The Patriots, Metal Gear, and so on). I got a few ideas in my head, but I need to sort them out. --Paul Soth 21:32, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from that "Leaked Document." And it can't be Mantis, he's too young for starters, and his background doesn't match at all. --Paul Soth 03:39, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  More content 

message: Who put the info concerning Ocelot being the son of The Boss, or that Boss is Sorrow's wife?  That's PURE speculation, and there's nothing in the game that supports it.  Lover of Sorrow?  Possibly (but "wife", give me a break).  But the part about Ocelot is just speculation.  In fact, the child of Boss and the Sorrow is more likely to be Psycho Mantis than Ocelot, think about it. Terrapin 16:33, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from that "Leaked Document." And it can't be Mantis, he's too young for starters, and his background doesn't match at all. --Paul Soth 03:39, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting Speculation on relationships 

message: Can a quotes page be added for the MGS3 section? This game has some great quotes.
:Go to the project front page. Look along the bottom. See wikiquote? Good. If you're the same person who asked about putting quotes pages into MGS and MGS2, which I also explained and then slapped a Wikiquote link on for, I'm going to lamp you. Sockatume 13:11, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes page? 

message: Is this section even necessary?  It looks like nothing but a biased bunch of crap. Like some fanboy runoff about how wonderful and magical the game is. It's definitely non-NPOV. I was just going to delete it, but maybe someone can fix it so that it isn't so glaringly biased.--DoubleCross 05:03, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
* No, it's not necessary.  It's actually non-encyclopedic, fairly speculative (Kojima's plot points don't always move in logical ways (to be polite), so you can't say this leads directly to the previous games) and redundant. I was BOLD, and deleted it.  Terrapin 15:41, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Beginnings of the Legend" section 

message: I was very disappointed with this game i thought there was alot of aspects the makers could have improved on.
thats nice.........but you dont have to tell us on wiki, this isnt a forum or discussion board, Don't use talk pages as a chatroom or bulletin board..Tik 16:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  disappointed 

message: Would it be appropriate to make reference to the nightmarish scene that appears when Naked Snake dives off the waterfall?  I thought this was noteworthy as the only apparent way of exiting it was to let Snake die - a gameplay 'solution' I've not seen before.
Sticksoft 20:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, it's rare but not unique. Planescape: Torment also requires you to die at certain points. Also, it's probably too spoilerific? I dunno. --Golbez 20:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Sorrow"'s zombie-river sequence 

message: I have to say, I feel the storyline section as it currently stands is horribly written. It dwells on many insignicant things in the game (ie. Major Zero's history), skips over useful plot points (like Snake actually meeting Ocelot for the first time) contains passages that are badly written (a C-130 Hercules doesn't "hover" over anywhere) and contains references which don't seem to have any basis in the game reality (EVA is certainly not the real EVA, but the game specifically says that ADAM and EVA are two people). I'm curious why the version I wrote was summarily reverted to the seemingly less accurate version used prior. -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 06:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Specifically, the fact that EVA admits she isn't the real EVA does not mean there is no real EVA. EVA was never supposed to be at the meeting. The game specifically states that two people, ADAM and EVA defected. It also mentions that EVA is a man. EVA is a real person in the game continuity, but not necessarily present in the game. -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 06:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * Additionally, EVA (Tanya) disappears in Hanoi 4 years after the end of the game. The wording prior to mine makes it sound like she disappears in Hanoi at the end of the game storyline. -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 07:25, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * By all means, stay. Please stop adding innacuracies to the article though. It's also helpful if you sign talk page responses with four tildes (~~~~) -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 07:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * Indeed it is. Again, I'm not asking you to not edit. I'm asking you to please make sure you present accurate information. Wikipedia doesn't help anybody when it's wrong. -Le Scoopertemp [tk] 07:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storyline 

message: Just like the person who stated that the camo sections are well done, I agree, but you are still missing some important details, like where one might be able to obtain the camouflage uniforms. I just thought that there are people out there who have never owned a Metal Gear Solid game, and are maybe just a little bit curious as to where they might be able to obtain the camouflage uniforms. I would also like to state that it would nice if someone would add a wikipedia page about hints and such about MGS3. I would like this, because I am in school currently, and I am unable to access sites that are restricted by the school's internet filter. I can only go to a few sites, and none of them have the necessary materials I need in order to learn stuff I would like to learn about the game. For examples of stuff I would like to see, I would like to see a hints page, or a walkthrough.--AGE
:Wikipedia is not GameFAQs.  (Try Wikibooks instead.)  I'm genuinely sorry you suffer from restrictive filtering rules, but that issue is between you and your school.  Walkthroughs, FAQs, and game guides don't belong on Wikipedia; this article is just meant to be a description of the game and its contents. – Wisq 05:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, but that's way beyond the level of detail needed or wanted in an encyclopedia article.  You describe what the game is, what happened in it, how that relates to the rest of the game's fictional world, how the gaming community received it, etc.  You don't discuss walkthrough things like level layouts, guard positions, boss strategies, Kerotan positions, etc.  Those things just aren't important in the grand scheme of things, and including them would be like putting the transcribed script of a movie into its article, or the lyrics of every song a band has ever made onto that band's page.  There are other resources for those.  This is just an encyclopedia.  Ideally, it's for people who have never played the game and want to know about it.  Players already know most or all of this stuff, and they can get more in-depth information from gaming walkthrough sites. – Wisq 19:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camouflage uniform obtaining details need to be added... 

message: Hello,I have been looking everywhere for a list of possible game rankings you can achieve once you beat the game and the conditions for them. I believe this would be a good adition to this article.
:Try here http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/metal_gear_solid_3_codename_ranking.txt, not sure it's appropriate for the article per discussions above...ka1iban 16:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Game Rankings

message: That merge notice has been up there for far too long, and some action needs to be taken. I originally thought of just adding the info to this article, but there's no weapons section. I'm thinking of creating a page for MGS3 items and weapons. Anyone want to help? -- Steel 16:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even see a section that explains why the articles should be merged. I'll remove the tag. --Tuspm  [Leave A Message] 01:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EZ Gun 

message: Cheesy dialogue making the game amoral? Compared to other video games, MGS3 is far from amoral, and the dialogue far from cheesy. Plus this gets put in the second paragraph as if it is an important aspect of the game.
CPT Spaz 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Paragraph? 

message: As Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence is essentially the same game (just with rather substantial extra material), do they really need to be two articles?  Integral is part of the main Metal Gear Solid article and it looks like the two Metal Gear Solid 2 articles are being merged. Ace of Sevens 23:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should not be merged. The Subsistence article is too big. I've removed the merging tag you put on Subsistence (link) because of the reason I stated above and you did not put an explaination of why they should be merged at the Subsistence talk page. If you can provide a much better reason on why they should be merged, go ahead and put the tag back on. --Tuspm  Talk | Contribs | E-Mail Me 18:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of that is the online mode, which I think would be a good candidate for a separate page itself. Ace of Sevens 19:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Subsistence merge

message: Is eva taken from the james bond love idea? (just a thought)
Lombers 15:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. --Golbez 15:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, EVA is referred to as Tatyana (Tanya for short), like the Bond girl in From Russia with Love, one of the films referenced by Para-Medic when saving. Combined with the other nods to 007 in the game (the opening credits sequence and song), it's pretty likely it was intentional. --Nick RTalk 19:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eva and the james bond idea

message: I'm asking for a citation because I've played through the game, read the script and rewatched the cinematics and it never says that Snake was the one who actually brought the PL microfilm to the USA (that I can see). Is it spelled out somewhere in Subsistence (which I haven't bought yet)? On some reputable website? In an interview with Kojima somewhere? I'm not saying it was Ocelot, but if you can't cite where the info comes from, the wording whould be changed to reflect that it is actually unclear how the PL film goes to the US. Heck, maybe The Boss just air-mailed the real one :P --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 21:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the part in the end with Snake and the film, but the way Snake offhandedly tosses away the film he has after EVA leaves makes me wonder if he believes he has the real one. In addition, it's not really clear that The Boss gives EVA any film, even a fake (all she says is "I got...", from the Boss? From Snake? From Volgin even?). It's a fact that by the absolute end, EVA has a fake, but when and how she got it is open to speculation. It also seems a little ambiguous as to how the real film actually gets back. Ocelot knows the US has it, but has no obvious mechanism for knowing. Snake doesn't act like he thinks he has it. It makes me wonder if maybe credit for handing it over shouldn't just be eliminated and replaced with something like "through the machinations of Operation Snake Eater, the US government manages to acquire the Legacy microfilm." Until someone like Kojima comes out and says for sure, its all just speculation which shouldn't really be presented as fact in the article. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 16:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Like I said, it might be worth it to just say the US operation ended up with them getting the Legacy rather than who specifically did it, as it all gets very ambiguous about who has what for real. As to the last point, the text epilogue says "1970 - The United States accumulates the remainder of the Legacy. The US branch of 'Philosophers' changes its name to the 'Patriots.'" ;) --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 15:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, you may note I've altered the article section a bit. Basically it now states that EVA/China had a fake (somehow, since we don't see how actually), the US has a real one (probably because of Big Boss, but maybe because of Ocelot). --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 18:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who had the Philosophers' Legacy?