Talk:Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod

message: As Mark G. Schroeder is only notable for being the current president of this Synod, this should be merged into this article. That the Synod is notable doesn't make its President automatically notable. Please see WP:N and related policies. Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added Karl R. Gurgel to the merge. Exact same situation, except it has information on his actions afterwards. This information is of no encyclopedic value, as he is not notable, except as a former president of the Synod. --Cerejota (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added Mark Schroeder (WELS president), redundant article title, but a good redirect.--Cerejota (talk) 09:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested merge 

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* Support - person not notable for anything else as per notability policies. --Cerejota (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

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* Perhaps the list of presidents chould be changed from redlinks. This would discourage the making of articles about non notable people. --Lendorien (talk) 18:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional comments

message: I removed the Anti-Catholocism bit.  First, who decided it was anti-Catholocism rather than pro-Lutheranism?  The entire paragraph is framed in a very POV manner.  Second, it isn't really a difference from LCMS beliefs.  Third, it did not accurately reflect the source that it cited.  Anyway, it's out.  --Hamitr (talk) 04:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of Anti-Catholicism bullet 

message: This has bothered me for quite some time. I think the sections that compare the WELS with the other two large American Lutheran Denominations is inappropriate. Neither of those denominations has section that contain contant of a similair nature. In addition, it has the result of defining the WELS based on those two groups rather than its own belief and practice.  I propose that these sections be combined into a section similair in content to Lutheran_Church_-_Missouri_Synod#Teachings_of_the_LCMS. The compare and contrasting language should be removed to focus on what the WELS belief and practice is in its own right. --Lendorien (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one appreciated that content. It is true that the WELS is the third largest Lutheran church in the US, and a comparison to the first and second largest seems appropriate to me. If that content doesn't go here, then where?  Or must a student necessarily read the articles on all three churches and perform his own painstaking analysis? Anyway, jmho. 208.58.71.231 (talk) 02:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't think it's proper.  None of the other lutheran articles have sections like this. Like I said, the WELS should be defines by its own teachings rather than that of other denominations.  --Lendorien (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In short, we should focus on our own synod first, before considering others. In that respect alone, there's plenty of work to be done. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It's not at all appropriate, as written. It's clearly biased an apologetic from the WELS standpoint. ELCA, e.g., also affirms that the Bible is "inerrant", they just have a different understanding of what that means. 128.210.106.34 (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing the differences sections 

message: Apart from the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church, the article should really consider verifying whether groups within Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod have ever sought a similar canonical structure to the proposed personal ordinariates. ADM (talk) 02:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk:Personal Ordinariate

message: The entry states the belief of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod that the pope is the Antichrist. However, the first link doesn't show any source for that, just some questions and answers related to the Church theology and the second link is plain empty. The first link about Doctrinal Statements shows this sympathetic view of the Roman Catholic Church : " Lutheran—that's just like Catholic, right?// There are many things that the Lutheran and Catholic churches share: the Bible, the Creeds, the Lord's Prayer, the Lord's Supper, Baptism, and much of the liturgy used in worship. After Luther was excommunicated from the Catholic Church, those who followed him retained the things from the Catholic Church which were good and true. They rejected only the beliefs and practices that were not scriptural. A significant percentage of the members of our church are former Catholics, so we certainly have no bad feelings toward Catholic people. But we do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church that are not based on the Bible./ Significant differences between the Catholic Church and ours include: the papacy, the nature and role of Mary, invocation of the saints, the doctrine of purgatory, transubstantiation, use of the Apocrypha and tradition as sources of doctrine, and justification through a combination of faith in Christ and good works./ As Lutherans, we love to speak about the forgiveness of sin that we have in Christ. If people realize that they have complete forgiveness through Christ, they will see why there can be no purgatory for Christians. If they understand that we are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus, they will understand why we do not need to pray through saints as mediators./ All of our congregations provide obligation-free information classes that explain what we believe and why. All are welcome to attend./ For more information about the various differences between the Lutheran and Catholic Church bodies, read Catholicism Today, a Bible study available through Northwestern Publishing House." This doesn't seem anti-Catholic at all. I also found this article in praise of pope John Paul II in their official website: . The entry needs a proper source to show if the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod considers the pope to be the Antichrist.Mistico (talk) 02:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, before any sort of overreaction to such strong statements, it is best to look and clarify/verify any such claims. For relevant material on this subject, here is one source: . KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  View of the Roman Catholic Church 

message: I simply merged its article into here.  There's simply not enough material to warrant a separate article.  If that section grows large enough such that it is too cumbersome to include entirely in this article, then that is a good time to give NPH its own article.  In the meantime, info pertaining to NPH is best here. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 12:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northwestern Publishing House 

message: I removed the following paragraph that was recently added to the Breakup of the Synodical Conference section because it seems to involve original research and opinion and, except for the one reference to the WELS Essay File, has no sources. It also doesn't seem fit in the flow of the article at that point since the next section directly references the preceding paragraph. If someone can find some appropriate sources, it might be possible to modify it and restore it to the article.
"As attested to in numerous congregational histories on the Wisconsin Seminary website (ref>http://www.wlsessays.net Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary Essay File), the WELS began a strong period of growth outside its historical territory of the Upper Great Lakes by receiving disaffected LCMS members who were angry at what they believed to be liberalizing trends within that denomination during the 1950s and 1960s. Inside the LCMS itself, conservative protest led to a hard-line conservative becoming denominational president in 1969 and a resulting crackdown on its flagship seminary in St. Louis, Concordia Seminary, to remove suspected liberal faculty and ministerial students. But some who were impatient for such full restoration of traditional orthodox Lutheran teaching and practices such as closed communion either joined existing WELS congregations or formed new ones, bringing the church to parts of the U.S. where the LCMS had previously been the only alternative for conservative Lutheranism. A growth spurt occurred for the WELS in the Southern and Western U.S. as a result in the 1970s and 1980s, lasting until the close of the 20th century."
Indyguy (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph regarding membership growth 

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message: I noticed that a recent edit to Martin Luther College removed a fair amount of history that, while perhaps only tangentially pertinent to that article, would be on topic for this one. Indyguy (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential additional historical information 

message: The WELS Synodical Council article has minimal information in it. The only links appearing in web searches are for routine business, and seem to be all in WELS-related websites. The content of the article would easily fit into the Synodical government section. Furthermore, the only mainspace link to WELS Synodical Council is from this one. Indyguy (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support per WP:NOPAGE. schetm (talk) 04:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I accepted and fulfilled the merge.  JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 02:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger of WELS Synodical Council into this article