Talk:Lepontic language

message: I wonder who the scholars are that link Lepontic with Ligurian. It's interesting, but I have not come across it before.
--Nantonos 19:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection to Ligurian

message: It will be good to have pictures of originals, the copyrigh expired 2500 years ago .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.123.48 (talk) 01:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  no pictures of orginal 

message: Is there a way to simplify the introduction and push some of the material further down into the body of the article? I also want to try to find a way to talk succinctly about the position adopted by McCone in eg (1996) Towards a Relative Chronology (et al??) that Lepontic is just a variety of early Gaulish. Any suggestions? CecilWard (talk) 17:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not easy. But, with respect, it seems to me you just made it more convoluted. But let me give it a shot.  Pasquale (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  >it seems to me you just made it more convoluted.. - :-) - fair point, in that case, go for it, all help gratefully received. I'd certainly like to try and improve the intro and treat that as a separate task from dealing with issues of clarity in the rest of the article. I think it's important to say from the outset that the status of Lepontic is disputed (not that I'm saying that I support the Lepontic=merely Gaulish PoV)CecilWard (talk) 15:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro rather convoluted 

message: Lepontic is clearly a proto-Italic (archaic Umbrian) language; It shares more similarities to Sabellic languages than to Keltic languages; It stems from the Indo-European (Urnfield) Golasecca culture which is direct archaeological context to the proto-Villanova (Italic) Bronze-age cultures and its speakers were Insubres (IsOmbri) i.e. Umbrians; It is a proto-Italic language; Agilulf2007 (talk) 23:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't know what you are talking about. Until you do, please do not make edits to this article. Cagwinn (talk) 01:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL the "expert" has spoken; if you dont know that Lepontic shares more features with Italic languages (mostly sabellic) than you really (truly) have NO clue what your talking about; And NO clue about Lepontic; Just for starters did you know that Lepontic retained the IE *p a feature that is absent in all Keltic languages (i.e. a feature of the proto-Keltic stage) thus making Lepontic not even proto-Keltic or how about case final -m which in Keltic languages is fixed as -n; Just a few examples; Cagwinn the Expert; (LOL) Agilulf2007 (talk) 02:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Lepontic does not preserve the IE -p- as such; some scholars argue that it became a labial-fricative spelled -v- (as in uvamokozis from PIE *up-amo-), but even that it a matter of debate now. The phoneme written -p- in Latin transliterations of Lepontic inscriptions stands for Celtic -b- (from PIE -b-, -bh-, or -gW-) or -p- (from PIE -kW-).Cagwinn (talk) 18:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

text:  LOL the "expert" again; do you know what palam is? Of course you dont but thats as expected; Dont bother you have NO clue and vividly demonstrated that; Neither of the linguistic topic you wish to talk about nor about the Archaeological context Lepontic is structured in; There are many more linguistic features that are exclusively shared with Italic (mostly Sabellic) but non existing in Keltic (not going to waste my time listing all of them) Your the "expert" so keep on truckin and always remember if you Cant truck it .... Agilulf2007 (talk) 18:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless you can demonstrate that this is a majority view, or even just a significant minority view in current scholarship, this discussion is useless. I personally don't have any first-hand knowledge of Lepontic either (or those Italic languages for that matter), but I sure did look through what seemed to be a representative selection of current publications on Lepontic recently, and none of the authors there expressed any doubt about it being Celtic. Please make yourself familiar with the "no original research" and "verifiability" policies. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem Mr. Fut.Perf.; The entire article is a complete joke (misrepresentation/farce) of the subject anyways; Will not waste my time with it any further; Maybe i will add a little bit here and there (sources will of course be cited / make sure you double-check that); But i do think its odd that people created and lets call it "contribute" to an Article they have obviously no clue about i.e. the subject/topic in general and in specific; Anyhow Lepontic, Keltic and Italic are all Indo-European languages and Italic and Keltic are close to each other and share the most similarities within the entire Indo-European family; Distinguishing Lepontic from one or the other depends thus on the exclusive features to one or the other and Italic is clearly the "winner" and undoubtedly manifested by Archaeology (and the Umbrian Insubres); And thats that; Agilulf2007 (talk) 15:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear WP:RANDY (see also WP:CHEESE), geography, archaeology and vague sound-alikes (BTW, the Insubres are considered a Celtic tribe, certainly not an Umbrian one, although the relevance of the Insubres here is unclear to me anyway) are useless in attempting to decide this question, and Keltic is an outdated spelling. There is no way that uvamokozis could be Italic (where a continuation of Proto-Italic *supemo-hostis is to be expected, compare Latin summus and hostis), let alone Umbrian (where the i would have been lost). Also, how could pala/palam disprove the Celticity of Lepontic? It has no known etymology. Either it is a substratum loan, or if it is inherited, it could also be a word starting in b (the Etruscan-based script does not distinguish /b/ from /p/, as Etruscan only has /p/), or if Lepontic converted *kʷ into p like Umbrian (as you seem to argue), a word that originally started in *kʷ. To quote yourself: "LOL" What an "expert" you are. Try harder, troll. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh Mr. Blaschke do not get too emotional just because i called your boyfriend an "expert" LOL; As for the topic Pala/Palam has a known etymology and it is IE *palso- (Latin:sepelio Umbrian:pelsa-) meaning Tombstone/Rock and equivalent to the Gaelic All (notice no *p); do not get to full of rage just because you and your dear boyfriend look like cows in the rain and have NO clue; proper experts LOL; PS: you claim to be from Bavaria but your last-name is Polish; As for uvamokozis LOL thank you for the punchline; PPS: If the relevance of the Insubres here is truly unclear for you than i seriously suggest you inform yourself about the topic; Because after such a statement only pathetic and sad come to mind; Agilulf2007 (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Lepontic is '''not''' Keltic

message: To add to this article: at least some information about what the surviving Lepontic inscriptions talk about. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but it's hard to know which to include here. Most inscriptions seem to be one word (or less). I'm new to this particular Celtic language, but I'll try to see what has been said about some of the longer ones, or the most easily identifiable. Here's a list of some inscriptions https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/wiki/Inscriptions Johundhar (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article