Talk:Yorkshire County Cricket Club

message: I added a bit to try to explain the Yorkshire Phoenix redirect today.  I'm not overly happy with my explanation so if anyone could rewrite it that'd be grand.  194.203.110.127 11:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yorkshire Phoenix

message: I have reverted the edit suggesting that Yorkshire have played county cricket outside the traditional boundaries. Cricket had been played at Abbeydale Park, in the village of Dore, south-west Sheffield but only since 1946. Dore, though once part of Derbyshire became a constituent of Sheffield, and hence the West Riding (did I really say South Riding in an edit summary :-( ) in 1934 - see Totley#History and geography. TerriersFan 04:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you are requiring here.  You agree here that Dore is not within the traditional, pre-1889, borders of Yorkshire.  So this shows that Yorkshire have played home matches outside the traditional boundaries.  1934 border changes are no more accepted by the ABC than the 1974 ones.  I'm not sure why Yorkshire did this.  Possibly they didn't know.  Possibly they didn't care.  Morwen - Talk 12:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've added a couple of links that demonstrate this.  Morwen - Talk 13:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that YCCC - like many, including myself - take a more fluid approach to Yorkshire boundaries than ABC & co.  Sheffield is obviously a Yorkshire city and as it speads the Yorkshire border (in my mind at least) spreads with it.  This is in contrast to the way that the part of Stockton-on-Tees south of the Tees is officially in Yorkshire, but let's be realistic: Stockton is a town in County Durham and thus someone from Stockton is from Co Durham, regardless which bit of the town he is from.  Dividing a town or city up like this is a bit odd to say the least and goes against the natural identity of residents.  193.128.121.19 16:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbeydale Park 

message: England 
*    Bob Appleyard
*    Jimmy Binks
*    Dickie Bird
*    Geoff Boycott
*    Ronnie Burnet
*    Brian Close
*    Tom Emmett
*    Darren Gough
*    John Hampshire
*    Lord Hawke
*    George Herbert Hirst
*    Matthew Hoggard
*    Sir Leonard Hutton
*    Ray Illingworth
*    Maurice Leyland
*    Chris Old
*    Doug Padgett
*    Wilfred Rhodes
*    Brian Sellers
*    Billy Sutcliffe
*    Herbert Sutcliffe
*    Fred Trueman
*    Michael Vaughan
*    Hedley Verity
*    Vic Wilson
*    Norman Yardley
Australia
*    Jason Gillespie
*    Darren Lehmann
India
*    Sachin Tendulkar
New Zealand
*    Stephen Fleming
I have reverted the deletion of notable players. These list are normal in articles on sporting clubs. They are always POV but we should live with that. If you feel that the list is wrong (I have taken Bird out and put Jackson and Peel in), please feel free to edit it. TerriersFan 16:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable players

message: Please leave this section near the bottom of the article. It is a reference section and should be below descriptive text. TerriersFan 02:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honours 

message: I have removed this. The background is given here. In 1888 the traditional boundaries of Yorkshire were intact so we can take Ainsty to be part of the West Riding. TerriersFan 02:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ainsty 

message: Yorkshire played at the ground for many years, but the article concentrates almost exclusively on the defunct football club, to the extent that you get redirected to an article with "FC" in its title. Does anyone who knows more about Yorkshire CCC history than I do, feel like adding a decent section about Yorkshire's matches there? I've added a one sentence mention, but there should be more than that. JH (talk page) 21:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bradford Park Avenue]] 

message: Hi, I was wondering how you created this? 
I'm trying to revamp my county's page and would like to add it. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daz1865 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who are you and who is your county? you can sign you name by typing "~" 4 times Joe p15 21:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yorkshire squad labels 

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message: Most of this article is absolute drivel.
1.An over emphasis on the last 10 years
2.Unsubstantiated rubbish on the Boycott era - what were the factions - says who? about what?
3.Nothing really on the real hsitory and back ground.
4.Correctly the famous players has been removed as it is something one might find in a kiddies book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.216.183 (talk) 22:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: I have removed the record section from the end of the article and placed it here for the moment. I'm not sure if anyone actually likes these sections in the county articles and really such information belongs at an official Yorkshire site or on CricketArchive. As it is, it's way too long and I'm eventually hoping to put back a very truncated section (e.g. the highest total, score, aggregate, etc, rather than a long list). Obviously, if anyone feels strongly, feel free to argue here. I'd prefer to discuss it before it is put back. --Sarastro1 (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I also removed the international players section. I don't think such a section is needed, and it is incomplete and out of date. It could maybe be replaced as prose. Original is here. --Sarastro1 (talk) 00:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I entirely agree with the complete removal of both these sections.  One is heavily against WP:NOTSTATS and is pointless given the proliferation of these mind-numbing statistics on sites like CricketArchive; the other is POV and is impossible to maintain.  The way to ensure all notable players feature in the article is to include them at the appropriate point of the narrative.  The article still needs a lot of work but it is already looking much better than it did when those unnecessary lists were in it.  ----Jack | talk page 08:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now removed this from Somerset too, and placed it in separate list articles (you know me and my lists!): Somerset County Cricket Club#Records will include a short prose section on some of the more notable records, while List of Somerset first-class cricket records, List of Somerset List A cricket records, List of Somerset Twenty20 cricket records house the actual lists. Might be worth doing here too. I've also removed the notable players section, although it wouldn't surprise me to see it return soon. Harrias talk 22:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record section 

message: This section begins with a cross-reference to Sheffield Cricket Club and it is immediately apparent that the details given in the Sheffield article do not comply with those in earliest Yorkshire.  For example, the piece about cockfighting is a 1757 reference in Sheffield, not 1751.  It seems to me that there is an over-reliance on two main sources in the Yorkshire article and I am dubious about Hodgson in particular.
In addition, there is a glaring error where the Darnall Ground (dated 1820s) is mentioned in connection with overarm bowling.  I know for a fact that overarm began in the 1860s so is this to do with roundarm?  In any case, why does it precede matches against Nottingham which took place 50 years earlier?
I think a lot of work is needed here and I especially believe that many more sources should be consulted and not just so-called "official histories".  --Mykleavens (talk) 11:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest cricket in Yorkshire 

message: I notice in the squad section that Gurman Randhawa has a red link because there is no article about him.  I assume this is because he has not yet played for the first team and so does not meet the site's guidelines on article qualification.  Presumably a cricketer must have a first-class record to qualify; or must have played in an international, perhaps?  Can anyone point out what these rules are relating to cricketers?  
I would have thought that Randhawa should have an article as he is a member of Yorkshire's squad, but is that enough?  --Mykleavens (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:CRIN for cricket notability. Keith D (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gurman Randhawa 

message: I've been restructuring the article to try and comply with standards in other articles about sporting clubs, some of which are star rated.  This is why there are now a couple of headings with no content as yet.
I think we need to be very careful of overdoing the history sections.  I believe we should create supplementary articles which cover historical periods in depth and restrict the coverage in this article to overviews of each period.  --Mykleavens (talk) 20:50, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticing that recent years are very scantily covered in comparison to earlier years, when this is rectified then the history section will be far to much for this article. So I think that your proposal to split off into sub-articles would be appropriate. This works in football articles so cannot see a problem in cricket articles for which there is no GA or FA county articles to follow. Keith D (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nearly all the history up to 1914 was written by Sarastro1 and I think he should have his say on this. --Mykleavens (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club history 

message: Not really being into cricket articles, but the appearance of the Honours section at the top of the article seems to break up any flow and I would have expected this to have been down the bottom as is generally the case in other sporting articles. Keith D (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I left it alone because it looks as if all the other county club articles have the same format but maybe we in Yorkshire should set the standard?  :-)  --Mykleavens (talk) 18:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Honours section

message: This cites Rafiq as being the first player of Asian origin to captain England at any level.  However Nasser Hussain, born in India, captained England prior to him.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenCousins (talk • contribs) 16:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azeem Rafiq Reference in History Section 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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