Talk:Matsunosuke Onoe

message: Hello. I am curious if this is the same person as Onoe Matsusuke IV (29 February 1843 ~ 5 September 1928). The dates do not quite match up, and I'm really not sure if they're the same person. But, if the "Matsunosuke Onoe" described in this article was a professional kabuki actor with a major official troupe, he would fit into a lineage. IMDB, unfortunately, is not to be trusted with this sort of thing, as they focus only on film/TV, not on theater, and do not acknowledge the traditional lineage system. I.e. even if he was the first or only Matsunosuke Onoe to be in films, it does not mean that he was the first Onoe Matsunosuke to be within a given lineage of the Onoe kabuki family. I look forward to your response. Thank you. LordAmeth 17:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not the same person.  I'm fairly confident about the dates, which appear in numerous sources; in fact, his funeral was even the topic of a 1926 documentary.  (Hm, suppose I should add that to the article...)  Many early Japanese film stars took names that followed kabuki conventions (Onoe Matsunosuke, Kataoka Chiezo, Ichikawa Raizo, Ichikawa Utaemon...).  It seems that his kabuki name was Tsurusaburo Onoe, according to Journal of Film Preservation 72.  He apparently adopted the more prestigious name on his own in 1904.  I don't see any indication of the lineage, though; might need to check Japanese sites. Shimeru 20:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Thanks a lot. If I happen to come across more info on his kabuki career, I'd like to add it in. Meantime, you've got an excellent article on his film career. Nice work, as always, Shimeru. :) LordAmeth 10:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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