Talk:Mohammad Khatami

message: Will he run agian or has his pererted ways shakin womens hands!!!!!!!!!!!!! sick anyone know anything? I think he is great and im an american he has my vote  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.181.23 (talk) 23:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 2009 Election any chance?

message: "Khatami has been the only democratic, sincere, and honest leader who never lied to his people" This sounds like a violation of NPOV. 06:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. It's also tautological: "The democratic man who believed in democratic principles", "The honest man who never lied.". Although I am reluctant to edit this, since (being a Westerner) my POV is of course highly biassed in his favour, I'll try to reword this a bit. squell 14:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

text: The section During his presidency ... change the historic name of Persian Gulf. isn't exactly NPOV either. Political action of National Geographic? According to Google, this is referring to an atlas in which the Persian Gulf was nicked Arabian Gulf? Iran Daily (pdf). squell 15:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: There is absolutely no way for a true proponent of democracy to become the President of Iran — the chances of the mending of a broken glass is higher.  Mohammad Khatami is like all government officials of the Islamic Republic except that he is chummy.  He must have enjoyed the salary and perquisites, of course.
--66.81.17.227 04:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the Persian saying goes, you're obviously one of those people that "kenaare howz neshasteh va mige lengesh kon" [this roughly means that one is standing on the sidelines and is saying do it].  I don't know you but i can guess you're either an Iranian that hasn't lived inside the country for more than a decade or you're not an Iranian and therefore not familiar with the complex political situation in present-day Iran. Your opinion I believe is the result of an over-simplified view of Iranian politics. Anyway ..... one may argue that Khatami failed at carrying out his promises as a president. But it is truely unfair  to say that Khatami was not a sincere and honest person. It is unfair to even compare him to any of the other hypocrites in high offices of power in Iran. If you had lived in Iran, if you knew Iran, you would never judge him that way. He won the hearts of tens of millions of Iranians, because he gave them the respect that was taken from them for so long, he never lied to the people. During his 8 years in office, he was arguably the most "publicly insulted" head of government in the history of Iran, because in a country where it's usually done in a blink of an eye, he never allowed for a single person to be arrested for "insulting the president". He proved time and again that he truly believes in freedom of expression, tolerance for opposition, rule of law and democracy. He has shown in practice that he is not interested in power, he was the first Iranian President that did not seek any power in the regime after his term ended (a customary way to go in this country), as a matter of fact he was in a hurry to retire himself from government service to start leading an NGO only dedicated to the progress of human well being in the world.  Even today, having failed to realize the dreams of his supporters, people love him as a person which has always had honorable and noble intentions. Many are angry at him and call him a "failure", but you never hear people calling him a "thief", a "dictator" or a "murderer" like the others (if you are an Iranian, you know exactly which ones I mean).  Look at the ones before him (Mr. Rafsanjani, Mr. Khamenei, ...) and the one after him (Mr. Ahmadinejad) and all the other people in high offices of power  in Iran. Look at their words and their deeds and tell me if you are not ashamed to dishonor Khatami's character by comparing him to those people.
*So long as the mullahs are in power, no Iranian President can do anything lest he ends up like Banisadr and Rajai.  Hypothetically speaking, if Ahmadinejad even wanted to bring religious and political freedom, he would fear the Assembly of Experts, Council of Guardians, and Supreme Leader.  There can never be a democratic republic under Islamic laws in the same way that the supernatural do not jibe with physical laws of the universe.
--66.81.192.28 11:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great Actor and Dissembler 

message: I went over the "Chocolate Robe" section and removed the notice asking for improvements.  I also re-organized the sections to put the awards and publications at the end, which seemed correct to me. I made a few very minor improvements elsewhere.  Hopefully people will like my changes, if not... you can always revert!  Good luck! --Brianyoumans 07:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Small Improvements

message: In light of criticism made by the Simon Wiesenthal Center  and Gov. Mitt Romney , how would any of you feel about having a section on criticism? If so, how do you should we handle any inaccuracies in the criticism made against Khatami? I ask this because Romney, for one, has been criticising Khatami for actions of the Guardian Council and rogue elements within his government - such as the nuclear programme, the stifling of human rights, and the murders of dissidents. --Cat Constantine 13:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea to create such a section. Inaccuracies in each allegation must be pointed out and explained (if there are any). I for one believe that 90% of the criticisms that are made are due to the fact that the legal position and power of the president in the Iranian political system is not understood correctly by the criticisers.  They probably compare the Iranian president to the U.S. president. It must be emphasized that the powers of the president in Iran are much more limited and that he is outranked by the supreme leader.  For example the president has absolutely no legal control over the armed forces (police, army, revolutionary guards), state radio and tv, the judiciary and prisons, the expediency council (which has the final say on legislation). Not only that, but even in the areas that are left for the president to excercise his power (for example, legally,  he appoints the minister of intelligence)  in practice decisions are imposed on him by the supreme leader. It is a known fact in Iran that the person chosen for the intelligence ministry must have the explicit approval of the leader, although that's not written anywhere in the law. If you dig out the newspapers of 1998 (in Iran) you will see that Khatami's aids have said in different interviews that Mr. Younesi (Khatami's second intelligence minister) was Khatami's 14th choice!! (the first 13 were not approved by the leader). Of course Mr.Younesi was "one of the good guys" and made a lot of reforms in the ministry, but that's not the point; Khatami had 13 people in mind before him but wasn't able to pick them.   Anyway, i guess i got carried away ... i agree with the idea of a 'criticism' section. Barnetj 14:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I am adding this for the substance of his comments, and I am not concerned about his position.  I would add his comments even if were a run-of-the-mill journalist by just stating the news agency.--Patchouli 18:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I removed it. Find authoritative sources that actually know what they're talking about. Kaveh 05:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Criticism 

message: I removed this Quote because the main/independent clause is missing and therefore it says nothing.
:On Osama Bin Laden
:*First, because of the crimes he conducts and second because he conducts them in the name of Islam, the religion which is a harbinger of peace and justice. 
Blanchette 07:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Osama Bin Laden? 

message: I added this talk subsection to discuss irresponsible edits (with a hint of vandalism) that are recently being made by User: Patchouli to this otherwise stable article.
Patchouli has added a section to the article called "reform within the islamic framework". There's no problem with the title of the section, but most of the content he is adding under this section is POV, verifiably false statements, unverifiable statements, and include weasel words and misleading use of references.
(last version before I tried to make improvements:  )
For example the section opens with this sentence:
"Khatami's desire to not make extra-Islamic reforms made people question the purpose of his presidency. He has received criticism inside and outside the Islamic Republic and it is not known how a mullah can bring freedom."
This remark is so blatantly POV, that is seems more like vandalism.  
Some other remarks under this section are:  
".... Many of them [his former supporters] had gotten physically beaten by security forces before the meeting [at Tehran university]" or 
"Khatami denounced the protesters because of 'their envy' and that they 'created obstacles,' referring to people like Akbar Mohammadi."
and Patchouli has even included a reference for some of these remarks. but when you read the reference you will see that it does not include anything of the like!  and that he has twisted the words around and put them in the article. for example, in the latter remark, if you read the source, Khatami is referring to some politicial movements "... with twisted minds, who lust for power, and who ignore the popular reform movement and its demands". and he does not name anyone or even hint that he is reffering to a person such as Akbar Mohammadi.  The last part of the sentence isn't even bothering to twist the words from the source, it's just made up!
Finally I must mention that User: Patchouli has also been harassing me on my talk page with personal attacks 
 therefore I  wanted to clarify the reasons that I had for reverting/making changes to some of his edits and I hope that others will join in to help uphold the policies of Wikipedia. Barnetj 08:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have warned  Patchouli on his talk page to abide by Wikipedia regulations  .  Barnetj 09:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patchouli edits 

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message: I just removed a paragraph under the criticisms section that was based on decision of the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution for not joining an international convention of women's right. Khatami, as President, was automatically chairman of this council. However the majority of the members of this council are appointed by the Leader (Ayatollah Khamenei) and the decisions of the council are approved by vote of majority. That means Khatami (or any other President for that matter) had no control over the decisions of this council and therefore can not be criticized for them. This council itself was one of the institutions of the government that was resisting Khatami's reforms and was involved in clashes with his reform programs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.196.50.105 (talk) 22:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution decisions don't have anything to do with Khatami 

message: I have moved the following from the article:
"Presenting a false front to a Western audience" : It has been pointed out that the image Khatami projects for a Western audience is different from than that for a foreign one. For example, the Persian and English versions of his 2006 speech in Harvard differed greatly. For example, Osama bin Laden was rendered in Persian as "that gentleman" (Aan Agha) (Source: )
Before restoring this let's discuss this. The reason being Khatami is alive and its best to do him no harm. I removed it for two reasons. One is that "pointing out" is highly contentious language. The other is that the criticism is coming from a non-notable and seemingly biased author. There is no reliable source making the statement.
Cheers,VR talk 23:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article

message: A review of this article for lingering copyright problems is, I'm afraid, necessary. This article was tagged for potential problems in the section "Khatami as a scholar", with text duplicating this source. Investigation identifies this series of edits, , as the point of introduction for this text. At the same time, text was introduced which infringed on this subscription article, . While I have not purchased the article for comparison, a google search of key terms hits duplicate text: ,  and . Some, but not all, of this text remains in the article. I am removing this text and request that contributors to this article evaluate carefully to see if other text has been copied from non-free sources without evidence of permission. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright review needed

message: I feel that this last photo in the article seems to have been tampered with or photoshopped to include the face in the background. A second opinion anyone? Yazan (talk) 16:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited photo? 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to revert the undiscussed move. These sorts of requests can be processed more quickly at WP:RM/TR.  Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Muhammad Khatami →  – On 4 October 2023, the title of this page was controversially changed to "Muhammad Khatami" without prior discussion. The user responsible for the alteration is a CU blocked sockpuppet, and their account has been globally locked as well. The justification provided by said sock refers to "IRNA English", even though it is WP:COMMONNAME we adhere to rather than individual (state media) sources.
In accordance with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RS, the overwhelmingly preferred spelling is "Mohammad Khatami," as opposed to "Muhammad Khatami." This preference is evident in places such as Google Books, where "Mohammad Khatami" yields 86,500 hits compared to 48,700 hits for "Muhammad Khatami." Similarly, Jstor records 1,895 hits for "Mohammad Khatami" and 906 hits for "Muhammad Khatami." - LouisAragon (talk) 00:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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text: Strong Support per sockpuppetry, not even sure why it would even warrant a discussion process here if it was undiscussed to begin with.Orchastrattor (talk) 03:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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