Talk:Subnotebook

message: The picture does not really illustrate the size well.  A hand, ruler, or something for size refrence would help.
Also, there is way too much Sony bias. I think the Toshiba Libretto efforts deserve some more text. And, totally forgotten here, and by me, is the name of the Libretto predecessor manufactured by HP, which ran a DOS shell, and which was ultra-sexy at the time. A noprize to the first person to name it. Hey, for that matter why not start this article with the Timex Sinclair TX-100?? Hmmm?
Oh and, yes, a palmtop is not a subnotebook, but before there were palmtops there were computers designed to be very small and function much like the current subnotebook, and therfore should be included in a history of subnotebooks.
:Omnibook 300 ? It's down to palmtop dimensions, so maybe you meant the Omnibook 600 ? Both had a notable mouse-on-a-stick that popped out of the right side at the press of a button. --195.137.93.171 (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you not tell how large a subnotebook computer is from the picture?  It seems very clear.  The picture is also a direct illustration of this line in the opening: "Subnotebooks are smaller than full sized laptops but larger than handheld computers."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.25.163 (talk) 05:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: The Palmax PD-1000 published around 1999 could also be mentioned. I quote the specs: Cyrix MediaGX Pentium-level CPU running at 166Mhz, 32MB EDO DRAM, 6.1" TFT Display, 1.6/2.1GB Fast HDD. Had/has a touch screen and stylus pen. 83.77.237.184 (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palmax PD-1000 

message: I know some purist may not consider it on this category, even dough it weights as much as some examples listed.
Anyway it seems weird not to have a mention either on the page or discussions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernipiggy (talk • contribs) 07:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MacBook Air 

message: When a user searches for ultraportable, they are redirected to this page (subnotebook). Though this quote at the beginning of the entry makes it clear they are not looking at a page that applies to their search:
Subnotebooks are smaller than an A4 paper notebook (8.27 x 11.69 inches), but larger than handheld computer computers and ultraportables.
I think it's confusing for readers. Either subnotebooks and ultraportables are the same thing, should be on the same page (at it currently is), and this sentence should be corrected, or ultraportables should have their own page. Any thoughts?
:Ultraportables should have their own page, as they are between palm-sized and subnotebooks. Vulcan FlipStart is one such example. Ultraportables are good for people who travel and need to carry around as little weight as possible, but who require full OS functions of a regular computer. I am thinking that those people also need to carry around lots of accessories with these. In case of a FlipStart, one would need a USB hub, a USB keyboard, a USB pointing device for normal operation and a USB memory stick to exchange data (or add drivers or somesuch) and an adapter that switches off battery usage while plugged in. -Mardus 21:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree that ultraportables should have their own page. subnotebooks are SUB-notebooks, in other words, less than. the palm foleo and that sony thing in the picture aren't full laptop computers. they are SUB. ultraportables are the smallest fully functioning laptops available. for example, the dell x1 isn't in the same class as the palm foleo. 66.131.22.154 01:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I came to the talk page to make essentially the same observation, and there's still no fix to this. Hmm... --24.23.70.74 (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultraportable redirect 

message: Most of the measurements in the main article are in Imperial units while the measurements in the table are in Metric. This makes it very hard to contrast the different models being discussed.
Shouldn't they all be translated into Metric units with the Imperial units kept in parantheses? A column of Imperial units could also be added to the table.
Nameless Voice 12:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always use the  template to include both. Tothwolf (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements 

message: I found this blog (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html) that claims that Air isn't the thinnest.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apontas (talk • contribs) 18:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharp Actius MM10 

message: Do you remember Psion? A small laptop without harddrive. They had different models and the biggest one had a colourscreen. I think Psion belong to this history too.ARKK (talk) 20:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psion 

message: The notebooks are mostly purchased for portability, however, some cost $2000, and others cost $500. Would it be a good idea to ass ~price ranges next to the listing?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarti (talk • contribs) 14:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: doneTMV943 (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: Can someone explain to me why the Nintendo DS is pictured as part of this article? While it does have WiFi and a touchscreen, the DS does not support many of the other functions of a computer. It's a gaming handheld, not a laptop. Just because it folds up does not make it a laptop. In fact, I have never seen anyone put a DS on their lap to use it. By the same logic, we could say a smartphone, say a Blackberry, Treo, or even an iPhone fits the definition of subnotebook. The only conceivable way that this would make sense would be to include the DS for scale, but I think that it might be more effective to include a ruler for scale if the reader does not know the size of a DS.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.151.109 (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's that much of a problem; it's specified in the caption that the DS is a handheld, not a subnotebook. While it's true that people might not know the exact size of a DS, it still provides some reference for size, especially when combined with the regular laptop, which most people should know the size of. Plus, it's not a bad shot in itself, of a subnotebook. 74.71.92.252 (talk) 02:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: Although I don't think that it was called a notebook computer at the time, the HP 110 from 1984 should be listed in the history section. I think that it clearly fits the form-factor of the subnotebook laptop category. 4.232.105.190 (talk) 07:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: HP 110

message: The article says Compaq LTE's dimensions were 1.9 × 8.5 × 11 inches. It later says of the Apple PowerBook 2400c, "it measured 1.9 × 8.5 × 10.5 inches, so it was actually bigger than a Compaq LTE notebook." Which fact is wrong? The size of the Compaq?—not likely as link from Compaq LTE confirms it. Is it the dimensions of the PowerBook? Or is it the claim that the PowerBook was "bigger"? -Rrius (talk) 07:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: I don't know where best to put this, or I would do it myself. Lenovo has its Ideapad s10 out now, so it should be on this page too. ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.241.28 (talk) 17:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideapad s10 

message: In my opinion, subnotebooks and netbooks are synonymous. Both have similar features, functions, as well as form factors. Hence I think the netbooks should be merged with subnotebooks.--59.93.206.232 (talk) 11:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: subnotebooks and netbooks are NOT synonymous, they have different definitions. Considering Netbook was a term most recently coined by Intel, with regards to their atom processor, and then notably utilised by Ubuntu for a special version of their operating systems, you will also notice that many of the netbooks offer SSDs over regular HDDs, they are also built with a focus on the internet (ie: no optical drive, wifi and even wwan) perhaps these are the basis for criteria for what defines a Netbook. What is the criteria for a subnotebook? It is possible that netbooks are a subcategory of subnotebooks.. Netbook could be merged, but only as a subcategory, however, it may be in our best interest to keep it's own article, much like this article is separate from the main laptop article. --Hm2k (talk) 12:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: disagree to merge: For the reasons given above, I think there is a distinction which needs to be made between netbooks, as scc (small, cheap computers) and subnotebooks, some of which are a) very expensive and b) highly specified.  Although they may appear similar in appearance, the technical capabilities and intended (and actual) use is sufficiently different to make the distinction.  Netbooks as a sub-set of subnotebooks seems a reasonable way forward. regards, Lynbarn (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Given the above reasons are true, the article should differentiate between subnotebooks, netbooks and UMPCs. Currently, they are all synonymous according to this article. So probably it should be edited to distinguish the terms from each other.--59.93.254.110 (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Disagree. Btw, what is a definition of subnotebook???--Kozuch (talk) 09:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Availability, Price, Solid state storage based, Linux based, did I mention price? Mahjongg (talk) 08:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  plus Bluetooth, 3/3.5G HSDPA/HSUPA WWAN Connectivity? Regards, Lynbarn (talk) 12:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge.  The link that Hm2k gives above is really helpful.  Here's a quote: "Netbook: This is actually the brainchild of Intel's marketing department to describe sub-$500 notebooks centered around internet-connectivity, such as its Classmate PC. The original Eee PC, XO OLPC Laptop and Cloudbook would fall into this category. While it is technically flackspeak, I actually like it because it's short and fairly specific. Besides being endorsed by Intel (obvs), Ubuntu has officially picked up the term. Judgment: A keeper, even if it was coined by the Man." - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 18:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

text: then those texts should change, a subnotebook is a predecessor of the netbook. The canonical (first) netbook was the EEEPC, but subnotebooks existed before that, but were extremely expensive (starting at $3000) and therefore not mainstream popular. A good example of such a system is the flybook . A netbook and a subnotebook are definitely NOT the same thing. I think this article needs a mayor overhaul, and only real subnotebooks should be depicted in it. Even the slashdot article mentioned that we seemed to confuse subnotebooks with netbooks here. Mahjongg (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netbook merge

message: 10 years hence, it's clear that these should have been (and still should be) merged.  It's possible that the two are not synonymous—and I'm willing to accept that, with "netbooks" being about network-centric features a la Chromebooks, which have appeared since "netbooks" (and the original proposal above) first started showing up—but Wikipedia doesn't do a good job at observing the difference.  The netbook article, for example, doesn't focus, really, on the network-centric aspect, so much as it expounds on the topic as if their defining characteristic were being small form-factor laptops—which is squarely the definition of subnotebooks.
Whether or not they're synonymous, they can certainly live in the same article.  Subnotebooks should be the main article, with netbooks being a redirect to a particular point within the article, with a brief blurb of netbook-specific details.  The current state of the articles is evidence enough, and the subsequent messages in the Thin-and-light, Subnotebook, UMPC, Netbook??? talk section below further supports the position that it was unwise to have kept these separate.  We don't need to maintain this less-than-helpful separation going forward. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, really, let's merge 

message: That gallery is a joke - only netbooks showed.--Kozuch (talk) 09:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, however this does relate to the above dispute over subnotebooks vs netbooks. Please help towards that discussion to help resolve this. --Hm2k (talk) 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: This new Forrester report (What Makes A Netbook?) apparently cites both subnotebook and ultraportable as "Legacy Categories" with UMPC and MID being "Current Categories". I'm not sure I'm convinced as if I have to look up UMPC/MID/ULCPC/etc. every time I see them what's your average consumer supposed to do? For me the pecking order goes something like this:
* Laptop/Notebook
* Subnotebook/Ultraportable
* Mobile Internet Device
I've deliberately excluded netbooks from this list because I agree with the report in that they are a "true third form factor driven by connectivity". Anyway just something to keep an eye out for. -- samj inout 13:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy category? 

message: The pictures need a person's hand or something in them, so we can get a feel for the size of the computers.
Of course hands differ in size themselves... Jidanni (talk) 23:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  need hand in pictures so can get a feel for size 

message: Look, the thing has the same outline as the Compaq LTE (ie, US Letter paper size), and it's a mere 2.5mm shorter when closed (1.8 inches thick vs 1.9). That's just a "notebook".
I'd have been bold and just deleted it but I dunno if there's anything I can put in its place or how to rewrite the start of that section. But as it stands it seems like an attempt to shoehorn Apple in at the start of the section when it doesn't really belong there. It was more a direct LTE rival than something that was smaller or lighter than it in any significant way (OK, it shaved off *nearly* a pound, but only to 5lb vs 6lb rather than getting *really* light - your arm would still ache after holding it up for a while). 193.63.174.115 (talk) 10:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The powerbook Duo can be replaced by extremely more relevant Olivetti Quaderno, I think. Powerbook 100 still can be there. ThisIsNotABetter (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretty sure the Powerbook 100 doesn't count as a "subnotebook". 

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