Talk:Glay

message: "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment, e.g. avoid: REALTOR® instead, use: Realtor" 
"All proper names should be capitalized in the body of the text." (noting that 'capitalized' is not ALL CAPS)
"Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28trademarks%29#General_rules
(Special exceptions are trademarks with initial uncapitalized letters such as iPod and CamelCase)
Reduce track titles on albums where all tracks are in all capitals to title case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28capital_letters%29#All_caps
Most of the arguments that I see about retaining letters 'because that's the artist's official name for the album/song/person' misunderstand the role of the encyclopedia: to inform about the topic, not to display in the body typographically these 'official' names. The place to do that is sidebars and album notes at the end of an article which can inform of these typographic vagaries - the body text should not. English readers simply are interested in legibility.
Whatever people's feeling about this, it is still important to respect style guidelines which have been developed over hundreds of years for a good reason. Nobody can arbitrarily over-ride these 'official' guidelines. Of course, common sense should be observed and the occasional judgement call (ABBA, for example) can be made but having the names in this article in all-caps/small letters goes against Wikipedia rules.
In short, use sidebars and end-notes to display official styles - not the body of the text. I'll be making changes in a week or so to the page to reflect the rules of Wikipedia and the correct way to style English in an encyclopedic setting. If anyone has objections, feel free to discuss it here within the framework of the official style guidelines. If you don't discuss it here, don't moan about such changes later :-) My common sense call is to leave GLAY itself all caps. Macgruder 12:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respect the Wikipedia style guidelines 

message: I must note something very important for future editors of this page (also try to observe this for any non English speaking band or author... etc): If you see a single, album, dvd, concert, or book title that contains poor grammar, please consider that even though the English spelling or grammar may be incorrect, that it still may actually be the official title. If someone is searching for the single, and cannot find it the official way... then what good is wiki? Please do not tamper with titles unless you have found hard evidence that the title has been written incorrectly from the official spelling. also note, some OFFICIAL japanese titles are titled in all CAPS (or with stars and hearts or other "non-letter/number characters) this is NOT a mistake, please leave them like this. All one must do is observe the picture or written info of the single/album/book on the official page which is linked in the article at the bottom. Please help keep wikipedia encyclopedic and correct! Thank you. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 04:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, can you provide arguments on why should we break the convention? why not putting redirects in the all uppercase titles? The article text could use uppercase, but I don't see compelling arguments for changing the convention of the title. Also, for the "people wil lsearch for the upper case title", well, that's what the redirects solve. So far I haven't seen a discussion (perhaps you can point it to me) and since there's no consensus yet, I suggest not to change albums titles to uppercase (as in AROUND THE WORLD from the existing titles). --  ( drini's page ☎ ) 04:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Important Titles Note for ALL artists (please copy this on other asian artist talk pages)

message: The locations/venues for GLAY EXPO 2001 are exact translations from the official website and were confirmed with a search. Please do not change them to inaccurate locations (in regards to the change form Kitakyushuu to Kyuushuu).
--Ladymercury 21:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not change the locations 

message: I've heard that Glay became their name because they accidently misspelled their name at an early/first(?) live and decided to stick with it. The reason given now for the misspelling that they 'wanted to be different' being perhaps used in retrospect when it became apparent that to English-speakers' eyes at least this particular misspelling (deliberate or not) is a disaster of epic proportions. It would be difficult to prove either way, but misspellings that coincide with common misspellings are rarely if ever used for commercial reasons especially when the misspelling doesn't appear to be deliberate. (Compare deciding to call your band The Recievers. )
Macgruder 15:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling 

message: "Due to their musical diversity, beautiful lyrics and wonderful melodies"
This is POV
"The Beatles also influenced this misspelling, as they had purposely misspelled their own band name ("beetle" became "beatle"). "
This has no citation. Beatle is not a misspelling. It is a play on words. 'Beat' is a word. Glay is a straight misspelling. The connection between Gray-->Glay, and Beetle--> Beat + Beetle --> Beatle is tenuous at best. 
"they have become one of the most successful and well known bands in Japan, and most of Asia."
This needs a citation. What is 'most of Asia'? 
It's clear that the writer of these elements is a 'fan'. There are many online tools to write a fanzine if that's what's required. Wikipedia is not the place though.
Macgruder 19:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Revert POV back 

message: This whole article reads like the gushing commentary of a fan. Wikipedia is not a place for fans of the band to try to promote them by saying how 'wonderful' they are etc:
"Due to their musical diversity, beautiful lyrics and wonderful melodies,..." 
"Unlike many bands, GLAY makes their music according to what they feel, not what others tell them to do. Because of this all of their songs come straight from their hearts. Their thoughts and feelings of their surrounding days is put into music so everyone is able to share a small part of their lives. With inspiration coming from various people and musicians from all over the world, mixed with the courage to try something new, GLAY's sound is truly unique and one that is always evolving."
The above two are the worst examples, and have been reworded or removed. 
Due to the dispute regarding the name of the band, everyone should remember to adhere to Wikipedia policy and not revert and article back without discussion and reasons. Saying 'it was fine before' is not a reason. Macgruder 04:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is not a Fanzine. Do not revert without discussion 

message: This article needs a cleanup. It suffers from:
Some non-encyclopedic style English:
"continuously producing one #1 hit after the other, with very little time to rest."
Non citated, fanzine, and/or weazel words. e.g.
"By being able to work with many foreign professionals, they gained a different perspective into the music industry from different parts of the world and were able to change and shape their band's sound to become something different from "typical" Japanese rock"
"Although GLAY's style had once again changed in "THE FRUSTRATED", it was a change that still retained the classic GLAY sound that made them rise to the top, and yet introduced new dimensions to their music which presented fans with something fresh and exciting"
And many more. Macgruder 14:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of cleanup tag 

message: I think the article stays clearer with the discography in other page, once it's so big. Please, do not revert it back without dicussing it here. -- iori 08:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I've just remastered the page, by placing the sections in proper order, removing most of the weasel words and removing the "Music" section, because almost every sentence of it was unsourced and contained weasel words. It would be great if someone could rewrite it properly. I'm going to work on the articles about the albums and members, and then, I'll create articles about the remaining albums, and perhaps even about the singles. Once all this is done, I'm also planning to remake the template of GLAY so that it follows the same style as Dir en grey, B'z and X Japan ones. If you would like to comment on this, do it, because I'm going to spend the next weeks on this. If you would like to help, remember to cite sources and please avoid trivia and fanclub material. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, keep that in mind. Victao lopes (talk) 23:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current situation of the article 

message: I wrote some information in the "history" section, since it wasn't making much sense and was lacking relevant facts. Please, if there are "weasel words"  or whatever, try to rewrite it without taking out the information. For instance, there is a reason why the section "Rebirth" has this title, and it's not just because of their tour name.
I gave sources for most information, though I find some unnecessary. Even for the type of music played by the band there was a tag of "citation needed". I've read other articles by Japanese bands and it doesn't seem that they cite references to every bit of information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.68.101.152 (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources and information

message: Why is nothing mentioned about them being visual kei? Xfansd (talk) 20:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual kei 

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message: This band's name is, always has been, and always will be GLAY, stylized in all caps. While I realize it would be awkward to write it that way every time on an English-speaking article, the idea that it cannot even be mentioned in the article when other bands in the "j-rock" genre are given this privilege no questions asked is equally ridiculous. Google GLAY and you're not generally going to see it written as Glay anywhere ever... except in this article. Also before someone chides me about not logging in and using different IPs and whatnot, I just do not care about being recognized. What I care about is this page being accurate and it's crazy that it's still a tug-of-war after all these years just to give this band accurate representation. 174.71.59.17 (talk) 05:37, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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