Talk:List of Wii games/Archive 6

message: ===Improvements===
:A couple improvements that could add value to the page are
:*column showing numbers of players possible (my wife keeps asking me which games more than 1 person can play)
:*another column that could be interesting is whether is needs a nunchuk, etc.
::Some interesting ideas. Each of those details, should of course, be within the game article themselves, but I can definitely see some people wanting to find the newest multiplayer game. Your second point, I feel would be better if it is within the game article itself, as that's a very game-specific element. As per the number of players possible, I can see it as a positive thing but am afraid that will clutter the list and make it less presentable. 68.181.225.103 04:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey there, based upon several suggestions, I've begun work on a Comparison of Wii Games which allows for additional details about Wii games to be listed that couldn't be listed here. Your thoughts are welcome, and any help you can give in completing the list will be most appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digiwrld1 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that some of the games have their European titles, would it not also be more consistent to place/retain the japanese romanjinized titles instead of immediately replacing them with the american/european titles? The lack of japanese titles has also made it slightly more difficult to search as titles of japanese releases are swapped for the american future release title.
Uncompetence 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I found sources. Digiwrld1 19:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Issues/Suggestions 

message: :A couple improvements that could add value to the page are
:*column showing numbers of players possible (my wife keeps asking me which games more than 1 person can play)
:*another column that could be interesting is whether is needs a nunchuk, etc.
::Some interesting ideas. Each of those details, should of course, be within the game article themselves, but I can definitely see some people wanting to find the newest multiplayer game. Your second point, I feel would be better if it is within the game article itself, as that's a very game-specific element. As per the number of players possible, I can see it as a positive thing but am afraid that will clutter the list and make it less presentable. 68.181.225.103 04:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey there, based upon several suggestions, I've begun work on a Comparison of Wii Games which allows for additional details about Wii games to be listed that couldn't be listed here. Your thoughts are welcome, and any help you can give in completing the list will be most appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digiwrld1 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that some of the games have their European titles, would it not also be more consistent to place/retain the japanese romanjinized titles instead of immediately replacing them with the american/european titles? The lack of japanese titles has also made it slightly more difficult to search as titles of japanese releases are swapped for the american future release title.
Uncompetence 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

message: I tried looking for, but could not find, any source saying that Hail to the Chimp and TNA Impact will be coming to the Wii--as of current, they only say that they are coming for Next Generation Consoles. These are the only two games currently that do not have a source in their article that explicitly states that a version for the Wii is in the works. I'm sure that they will be coming, just wanting to make sure that every game in this list is verifiable. -Digiwrld1 00:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I found sources. Digiwrld1 19:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources Needed

message: Currently undergoing Peer Review
Please direct your comments/suggestions to the Peer Review linked to at the CVG infobox. Thank you. Digiwrld1 22:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FL Push

message: Can someone change it so if only the quarter is known, it is listed as "Q2 2007" rather than "2007 Q2"? The former is how it is always listed, both by the press and the publishers themselves. It is also more natural. It would be like saying "2007 September" rather than the correct "September 2007". TJ Spyke 00:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's possible, though I may be mistaken. I believe that this format is intentional to allow to entries to be sortable. If it's Q1 2007 first, then it'll sort to Q1 2007, Q1 2008, Q2 2007. I'm not certain if we can change the order though, as I didn't implement it. Digiwrld1 05:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible, and a rather trivial change, actually. The input order is still "wrong" tho, since it's possible to have a 200X release date without a quarter, but not a QX release date without a year. --Conti|✉ 15:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q1/2/3/4 

message: First, when adding a game to the list make sure a source accompanies it. If it is not explicitly mentioned in the 3 lists at the bottom of the reference section, use cite web and give the source. So GHII, for example, would need a source as its not mentioned in any of the lists. 
Second, every announcement that had been made concerning the Wii and Guitar Hero failed to mention whether it would be a port for Guitar Hero 2 or whether a new iteration would be released. Most blogs/sites assumed that with the 360 getting GH2, it would follow suit that the Wii gets GH3. I remind again that this was pure assumption.
The updated FAQ on Red Octane (makers of the guitar peripheral) revealed that indeed it will be Guitar Hero 3 that is coming to the Wii, and as such the source is given for verifiability. Up until that point, no mention was given as to which GH the Wii would receive, but now that it has been released sites like IGN have updated their games list to reflect this update. So please don't add that Guitar Hero 2 is being released for the Wii, as now we have learned that it will be GH3. Digiwrld1 02:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Hero II Not Coming to the Wii 

message: I notice that citations are starting to creep back into the table itself as footnotes.  Is this what we have decided on or is it an ongoing issue?  In the past month alone, there have been a number of changes and (temporary) policies including the external link arrows in the name and date columns, a push to move all references to the game's own pages and now footnote citations.  I don't think it really matters what one we go with, but it should be consistent.
As an aside, is the silver colour needed for the Unreleased games?  I know it looks pretty, but it is maintainable int he long term?  And if it is going to be used, a mention needs to go in the How-to guide. Telvin 3d 08:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and take a look at the peer review, as all these changes were suggested from there. The silver font really isn't hard to maintain-copy and paste works well, and what it does is really distinguish between those games that will be coming out from those that will not be. I will add it to the How-To guide though, thanks for that. As per footnotes, here's how it works: there are 3 main lists given (GameSpot list, Nintendo of America list, Nintendo of Europe list); check first to see if your game is listed in one of these 3 lists. If it is, that's it, you're good to go. If it isn't, then a footnote is necessary using cite web. As the year goes by and these games get listed on GameSpot and Nintendo's lists, we can start clearing out some of those references, but not before. This will indeed be the standard from now on. If you have any further concerns, be sure to post it in the Peer Review as of right now. Digiwrld1 08:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strike that comment about citations, it looks like it still isn't finalized (yeah I know its getting pretty ridiculous). It'd be great if you could put up your concerns on the peer review and if you feel that one method is better than another feel free to put it up. -Digiwrld1 08:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: all these entries are missing; these show up in the edit page, but not the entry page. what the hell? 
Tehw1k1 02:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed - problem was a faulty ref tag. --User:Krator (t c) 14:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: They were missing due to template errors; we're attempting to get them sorted out, but they should be back on the list now. -Digiwrld1 21:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Games

message: This is just a suggestion, but I'd like to see a column or additional list that shows the 5 most recent games added to the list, so people can keep up with the new game announcements. Tehw1k1 20:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recently announced list 

message: I have reverted the following, because no sources were cited in the change:
*Wii Health Pack - Unsourced change of "July 2007" to "2007". Unsourced change of "TBA 2007" to "TBA". Unsourced change of "TBA" to "2007".
*Winning Eleven - Unsourced changes of "TBA" to "Q3 2007", "September 2007" to "TBA 2007", and "TBA" to "Q3 2007". All without using proper markup for sortable tables.
Please do not revert again, unless:
*A source can be found for each change.
*Proper markup for sortable tables is used.
--User:Krator (t c) 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User:UltraNintendoEntertainmentSystem]] 

message: The thing about video game creation is that even if you've released a playable demo, it can still be pushed back, or canceled. It happens to all the major developers, and it definitely happens with the smaller developers. In that sense it makes it difficult to have a 100% accurate list on Wikipedia, but to try and approach that the list must be kept updated--which includes removing games that have essentially disappeared as much as adding new ones. My proposal is to remove the following games if no major information is released by the periods specified. 
Blitz: E3 2007 (July 11-13)
Broken Saints: Comic-Con 2007 (July 26-29)
Disaster Day of Crisis/Project Hammer: E4All (October 18-23)
Final Furlong: E3 2007
JAWA: TGS 2007 (September 20-23)
Midnight/Orb/Thorn (Crossbeam Studios): Q1 2008
ROTR/Sadness: Q1 2008
Sidewinder: E3 2007
How do you guys feel about this? I've only listed those games which have been sitting there with little updates, and I feel that there is plenty of time for new info to come out. As you can see, independent developers get a longer period than major developers do. Digiwrld1 05:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO Blitz is most likely cancelled. Midway released a list of games they're showing at E3 and Blitz wasn't on it. It makes little sense for them to release it either, since EA is so far ahead of them with football controls on the Wii and Blitz isnt that strong a franchise in the first place. All the iffy devs like Crossbeam and Nibris need to just put up or shut up. Some Nintendo fans continue to be  delusional about those games. Tehw1k1 17:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Nintendo says Disaster is still in development, but Project HAMMER is on indefinite hold. I'm not sure whether or not to keep Project HAMMER on the list. --Optichan 00:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Following Games Have Until... 

message: This game has been released in Japan, is anyone actively updating this list? I'm wondering where the information on (TBA) versus (unreleased) comes from. 
Bakarocket 12:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. I just fixed it myself. Bakarocket 00:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirates of the Caribbean 

message: Should Manhunt 2 have been completely removed? So far Take-Two hasn't announced what will happen to the game, so we don't know if it will be released or not. We know the game exists, all Nintendo said is that they won't allow the game to be released unless it can avoid the AO rating. -- VederJuda 13:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hasn't it only been, what, a week or two? Even Hot Coffee took awhile to fully tear out and re-release, I imagine this is going to be significantly more complicated. I'd wait a few monthes or something and see what happens personally. Eusis 20:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manhunt 2 removal 

message: These "two" games are the same game. I don't know how to update the list properly, so ask that one of you guys could do it. As for citations, bear with me: I am playing the "TBA" 'Go! Go! Minon' RIGHT NOW, and noone can even find a boxshot of 'Machi Kuru Domino'...even sources (such as IGN: ) that state BOTH games under developer (Success/Red Entertainment) have the SAME description for both games. Developer's website  lists 'Go! Go! Minon' as their only Wii release. If 'Machi Kuru Domino' was a Wii launch title, they would surely acknowledge it's existance. So although I have no direct citation of my claim, there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence.
On a separate note, is there a sub project to list the localization names of the titles? For example, The list specifies Eldees EU for Elebits USA, JPN, but more drastic localization variations are NOT noted (ie. Dragon Ball Z: Sparking! NEO JPN = Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 USA...Such variations/interpretations could be misnoted as different games (such as problem above) and could easily be added as details in the list while keeping a clean sortable structure.
Thanks!
66.69.160.247 05:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed--removed duplicate entry. Thanks for that info. As per alternative titles, as it states this list refers to their English titles. As such if there are two english titles, both are given. Likewise, if its only a Japanese title, the romanized version is given rather than in kanji or katakana, thus keeping it English friendly. Since DBZ was released here, you see only the english NA/Europe title.24.113.186.25 20:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved MKD's page to Go Go Minon. Tehw1k1 17:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate Entry: 'Machi Kuru Domino' (Success, 12-2-06) and 'Go! Go! Minon' (Success, TBA) 

message: Column is super ugly and unnecessary, not to mention inaccurate in some instances. Please get rid of it oh Ghod!!111!!! Tehw1k1 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on removing it, and sent a message to the user who put it back in. -Digiwrld1 02:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: very ugly and not needed. RobJ1981 02:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely and absolutely disagree - the only reason I visit this page is to see whether a game is exclusive or not.  I strongly request that it be readded. unless 22:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find out more about each game by going to their individual entries. Tehw1k1 21:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  exclusive column - ow! my eyes! 

message: We appreciate your contributions Exukvera, but this is a very bad time to mess around with the page's established format, with E3 news rolling in, and several editors updating the page. Also there were several inaccuracies: non-exclusive games marked exclusive. There are also some disagreements about what TRULY constitutes an exclusive game, for instance Mercury Meltdown Revolution is just a Playstation port with a different name and Wiimote controls. State your case about why indication of exclusives is necessary before you proceed with further edits please. Tehw1k1 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusives bolding 

message: I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, but sorting by North American release date isn't working properly. --enbob89 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. It does sort properly if I click the arrow three times. Tehw1k1 22:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Going through the edit history, it appears that it stopped working because of this edit:   There's a lot going on there so I'm not sure about how to fix it. Tehw1k1 06:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date sort? 

message: What's the ideal way to format dates? They are done several different ways on the list. This should be added to the faq or the how-to guide on adding a new game. Tehw1k1 23:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date formatting 

message: Someone should add Nintendogs Wii to the list.  Check out this http://wii.ign.com/articles/708/708027p1.html. --Scotty12 21:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nothing specific yet, but it's definitely something that's in our minds." Has anything ever been mentioned about a Wii Nintendogs since E3 2006? If not, it's not really worthy of inclusion. --Optichan 00:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nintendogs Wii

message: Why can't the 360 list, PS3 list and Wii list all share a consistent format? The Wii list format is the best, IMO. Tehw1k1 07:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dang 

message: I don't think Rock Band is coming out for the Wii. I think it is only for PS3 and Xbox 360 24.115.70.56 01:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock Band? 

message: Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the PEGI ratings?  And the CERO ratings?  What about those used in Australia, Brazil or New Zealand? Tim (Xevious) 21:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game ratings info 

message: Well Which game do you think is the best for the wii? I have already finished Zelda and i think it is an amazing game any other game you might think is really goood for the wii.
        I think that Super Mario Stikers is the best game for the wii. But i personally would buy the Xbox 360  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatterson (talk • contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which game do you think is the best 

message: Necessary or no? Voice your opinion here. Should we have a vote on whether it stays or goes? Tehw1k1 16:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there only 4 Wii release regions? If so, I think it's fine. But if there are more, we'll end up with columns for Australia, Brazil, Surinam, etc. If anything, it could be set up by continent just to limit the number of columns we end up with. --Bakarocket 06:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia column 

message: Satoru iwata talks about it in a interview, should we add it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.16.253 (talk) 17:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he simply mentioned that they aren't working on it in the interview.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digiwrld1 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii sports 2