Talk:Anders Fogh Rasmussen

message: I removed the following:
Anders Fogh Rasmussen caused controversy in his support for gay marriage, and he made it clear his support was 'personal' rather than based on his role as prime minister.
Because it's bullshit. It's true that he supports gay marriage, and that he said it's his personal view. However, it's not like his party is against gay marriage (they just don't have any official politic about it), and since almost everyone here in denmark share his view it has never caused any controversy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.185.7.8 (talk) 18:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Anders Fogh Rasmussen's view on gay marriages (2) 

message: When he was tax minister in 1992 where there aint something about that he left the post becouse of some accusations that he made tax "fraud"? --80.197.219.8 16:54, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: His term as minister of taxation was marked by many attempts to cut staff, and this turned the (remaining) bureaucrats quite hostile towards him. The downsizing also produced a lot of confusion in the department. Later, a number of accounting errors in the department were discovered, and two rumours about the errors persisted: 1) that they had been made deliberately by the bureaucrats, hoping that "good figures" would make the angry boss stop his cuts, and 2) that the mistakes had in fact been made accidentally, but no-body dared tell the boss they existed fearing for their own jobs. Consequently, the errors were never corrected. When the story broke, Anders Fogh Rasmussen assumed full responsibility and quickly resigned his office. An official inquiry found that he had not violated any law. --Valentinian 22:20, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um yes, Rasmussen was actually downright FIRED by the Schlüter government as a tax minister for breaking the rules. Bantaar (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about his time as tax minister? 

message: I removed the following text added earlier today, as no source was cited.
:Allthough Anders Fogh Rasmussen's father collaborated extensively with Nazi Germany during WW2, and Anders Fogh himself was part of a Neo-Nazi youth organisation in his late teens, he later switched allegiance to Venstre.
Thue | talk 08:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Utter bull****. --Valentinian 15:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Unsourced libel is not only unencyclopedic but also expressly against Wikipedia policy. Valentinian T / C 20:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Typical american-style of rubbishing. If he is not gay, there MUST be a nazi ancestor anyway. I have learnt how those idiots think and argue. --84.141.41.129 (talk) 20:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi connections

message: User:Asbent appears to like adding material about what he claims is a Muslim outrage against Anders Fogh Rasmussen. I have reverted this edit twice today (13 December 2005) and I have no intention of breaking the WP:3RR but I fail to see what possible relevance that edit has to this page. 
The Muslim outrage has to do with a Danish newspaper - Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten - printing 12 caricatures of the Muslim prophet Muhammad. Diplomats from Egypt and a number of other counties made an official protest and demanded Anders Fogh Rasmussen bring Jyllands-Posten under his control. AFR replied that the government of Denmark, like all other Danish governments since God knows when, believes in Freedom of the Press, and that - under the Danish Constitution - he had no powers to intervene in this dispute. If anyone felt offended, he urged them to use the legal system to solve the dispute. The relevant section of the Danish criminal code is §266B (the clause against racism). Had AFR said anything else, he'd have violated the Constitution's §77. This states that censorship may never again be introduced but that publishers are legally responsible for what they print. Danish law gives him absolutely no authority to intervene in a newspaper's editing.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen has not supported Jyllands-Postens action at all. In fact, he's said that he thought printing the caricatures was a rather bad idea. In my mind, the Prime Minister's, and Jyllands-Posten's - based on a number of articles I've read in that paper - the dispute only involves Jyllands-Posten, not the Danish goverment or anybody else. I'd really like to see a very good reason to include User:Asbent's edit in this page. --Valentinian 22:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop vandalising this article, Valentinian. The reason to keep this addition in the article is very simple: Mr. Rasmussen's comments to not step in and suppress freedom of press caused an international uproar amongst muslims and thus, in my opinion, it is a very important part of his premiership. I will once again edit this into the article. Should you want to reword it, be my guest. However, do not delete it again. (http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-11/18/article02.shtml, The ambassadors of 11 Muslim countries called on Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the prime minister, to take "necessary steps" against the "defamation of Islam".))--Absent 13:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Valentinian appears to be from Denmark, so I have to weigh his opinion on Danish law a little more highly than Absent's.  Also, the information does not belong in an encyclopaedia article about Rasmussen, since we cannot afford to print a paragraph or two on every comment he ever made.  Also note that there is a difference "ambassadors requested an apology", and your report of "all muslim countries imposed sanctions on Denmark".  Can you reconcile these? Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 14:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can edit the article then as you wish, I however think this section is very important in regards to Mr. Rasmussens premiership.--Absent 14:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Asbent, You are entitled to you own opinion, but 1) Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, 2) this "uproar" started more than two weeks before AFR stated that he'd not violate the Constitution. You have not provided any source of documentation for Muslim nations imposing sanctions upon Denmark or upon AFR personally. That's why any such references belong in the article about Jyllands-Posten. I've followed that case, and I read the paper daily. And no, I'm not part of any conspiracy or whatever. --Valentinian 14:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You liar, you were involved in the whole 9/11 debacle!!!!!!!! (I kid, of course) Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 14:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Let's put it this way; nobody outside of Denmark cares about his tax reform: on the other hand, very many people outside Denmark are interested in the fact that there are still non-dhimmi leaders in this world who are willing to take a stand for Democracy instead of being bullied and subsequently subdued by muslims to manipulate free speech so as to not "offend" their mighty religion.--Nosharia 23:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I love your username Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 13:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I love how I totally owned you in the beslan article--Nosharia 14:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: You what now?  looks at the article, confused What the hell?  You haven't even edited it...stop dreaming about being a WP troll at night.  Also, don't fuck with articles, especially not ones on my watchlist.  Cheers. Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 20:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by User:Asbent 

message: * "Under the proposal the number of counties (amter) would be reduced to five from thirteen". -- I am pretty certain that's not right. Anyone know what it should say? Jdcooper 18:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thirteen counties are being replaced by five new "regions". See Regions of Denmark. --Valentinian 00:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipal reform 

message: I suppose every Law system doesn't accept slander, insult and satire incorrectly publication about a person. What about a Prophet which  is respected over than 1,5 billion people all over the world. Unfortunately Denmark ,whether willingly or not,hosted this  unconscience event. I describe these cartoons as a global provacation it's a silly explanation to evaluate this publication as a freedom of press. Why?
What do they know about ur Prophet? How many message do they hear from him? Simply nothing.
How many Europen knows this clue belongs to him.
"A man who killed an innocent person is supposed to be killer of all humanity."
As an example Islamic thought doesn't permit to sink a ship which has 99 savage banditsand only one innocent for the sake of him or her.
In this century, unfortunately because of some occupations, uneducation and any other reasons some(very few) Muslims accept violance as describe theirselves. But most of Muslims reject this. On the view of our Prophet, current Muslim leaeders say "A Muslim must not be a terrorist or A terrorist must not be supposed as a Muslim.
I invite Danish people to learn more about Prophet Muhammed.
I invite Danish PM to consult to some leaders who are known as conscience as Clinton, Annan; about returning from his great fault.
I invite Jillyan Posten to excuse clearly and rejecting to be a part of Global Provocation.
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: The above is an unsigned comment. To the uploader: You may assume what you want, but Danish law is crystal clear: Everyone is entitled to print almost whatever they want. The restriction is that people may not e.g. print accusations that everyone from (insert country name here) are terrorists or criminals or something like that, racism is not allowed. It is not allowed either to falsely accuse somebody of having committed crimes or something like that. But these are pretty much the only restricions. Newspapers are not regulated or controlled by the government, the police, the army or anybody else in power. The businessmen that own them,  decide what they print. This is called "freedom of the press", and no Danish politician is prepared to give that up. It is also allowed to make jokes and caricatures about Christians, Jesus, Jews, Danes, Swedes, etc, and this is frequently done and accepted by the public. Images of Jesus much much worse than  the ones of Muhammad have also been printed, and this is in a Christian country. People accept this. It is not the first time a cartoon of Muhammad has been printed either. If you want to read the relevant paragraphs, the articles is the Danish Constitution of 1953, §77 and the Danish Criminal Code § 140 and §266 B. On a more general note: Remarks like these belong to the page on the Muhammad cartoon controversy, not here. --Valentinian 00:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I invite Moslems and Arab Leaders to learn something about European law. And I invite you all to tell us how and why Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who doesn't have any ties with the newspaper, who doesn't have it in his power to stop a newspaper (despite what Arab leaders say), and who has all along regretted the offence the cartoons have caused Moslems despite having nothing to do with it, should apologize! --Thf1977 09:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: If you are a Muslim you might be interested to know that this entire episode has only hurt one single group in Denmark: the immigrants from Muslim nations. The vast majority of them are peaceful and lawabiding citizens - in fact many of them were kicked out of the Middle East because they opposed religious fundamentalism there. But islamist terror has made some Danes begin to view these people with suspicion, which is not warranted. In Denmark, nobody controls what a newspaper prints - unlike in the Middle East. In a democracy, the government couldn't care less what newspapers print. The only thing the idiots burning the Danish embassy in Beirut accomplished was to decrease the chances of a lot of young Muslims in Denmark trying to get a job. After the attacks in Beirut, many Muslims in Denmark demonstrated *against* the idiots in Beirut. The Danish economy is extremely strong and probably the strongest in more than 30 years. In fact one of the strongest in Western Europe. And nobody cares about Arla's tiny exports to the Middle East. My mistake, one more effect has happened: Danes have become more willing to invest in alternative energy sources, so we'll be less affected by future increases in oil prizes. And don't have any illusions that we are afraid of an "oil embargo" or something similar. Denmark has plenty of oil fields of our own in the North Sea, far away from the Middle East. Valentinian (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be a part of global provocation 

message: Rasmussen received the most "personal votes" of any politician in Denmark with 61,792.
But the article on Poul Nyrup Rasmussen says:
Rasmussen currently sits as an MEP after winning a record number of 407,966 votes for an individual (from Denmark) in the European Parliamentary elections in 2004.
Who's right? Or is it that AFR's record is for Folketing elections and PNR's for EU Parliament elections...?
Tamino 12:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anders Fogh Rasmussen holds the record regarding elections to Parliament (Folketing elections). Poul Nyrup Rasmussen holds the record for MEP elections. The latter figure will naturally be higher since MEP elections consider Denmark to be one unified constituency (5.4 mill. people, so around 4 mill. could vote for Poul Nyrup Rasmussen). In elections to parliament, each politician stands in his / her own constituency but people can vote for the candidate in the entire county. To complicate matters further, the Greater Copenhagen District is devided into three regions for this purpose. Anders Fogh Rasmussen stands in Glostrup constituency in Copenhagen County (around 618,000 inhabitants, and 380,000 voted in the 2005 parliamentary elections  .) Hope this clears it up. Valentinian (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal votes 

message: IPA [fo] is pronounced like the surname of Dario Fo (as Dario Fo is pronounced in italian not in english) which is not how Fogh is pronounced by anyone in Denmark, except as I noted people speaking with a strong funish dialect. To be correctly trabscribed it requires a stød - written . If you continue to claim that the transcription [fo] has been used by "domestic media" then I will require sources for that - and it will have to be sources that are reliable when it comes to representing pronunciation in ipa such as a dictionary or linguistic publication - a news paper article will not do. I agree that it is important to note that his surname is often left out.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 09:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's a little difficult to find references, unless I go rummaging through tons of material from TV Avisen and TV2 Nyhederne, or perhaps Radioavisen. I'm fairly sure that I have heard it pronounced as in Dario Fo many times in the media (DR and TV 2). That's why I find your claim a little dubious. Strong dialects aren't the norm on the news, even if dialects have gotten a little more leeway in the last decade or so. The only thing I have at the moment is the satirical "minimalstat" song, where his name is pronounced [fo] (but this really isn't a solid source at all, of course). Sakkura (talk) 18:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but the pronunciation in the minimalstatssang clearly is supposed to rhyme with "bog" and "klog" which means its pronounced with a diphthong as . The pronunciation  rhymes with "so". If Fogh were to be pronounced there as simply [fo] there would be no native danish words to rhyme with it. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 19:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go back and listen to it again (0:12, 0:29, 1:31, 2:25 and 2:34 in the clip). It's even more conspicuous because it does not rhyme properly with "bog" and "klog". Sakkura (talk) 20:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that some of the times it is pronounced only with stød as in  (rhyming with so and klo) none of the times it is pronounced without stød. Anyway it should be uncontroversial to state that the most common pronunciations are those that rhyme with klog and those that rhyme with klo. If a pronunciation rhyming with Dario Fo, Otto and Kosovo exist it is clearly a minority pronunciation. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA

message: The article currentlt reads:
"So far, it is not proven that Roj TV has any form for connection to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)[discuss], therefore Roj TV must be legal in Denmark according to the Danish law."  But, the manager of Roj TV is quoted saying:
"Manouchehr Tahsili Zonoozi, a Kurd from Iran who is the station's general manager, acknowledges that the station maintains contact with the PKK, but insists it is not controlled by it." in the article about Roj TV.
I suggest that we write the following instead:
So far, it is not proven that Roj TV is the mouthpiece of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), therefore Roj TV is considered legal in Denmark according to the Danish law."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.91.24 (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the sentence in question. It should only be added in an neutral and well sourced manner, i.e. including reliable sources and representing both the Turkish, Danish, and perhaps the international opinion on the matter. As it stood, it was just unsourced opinion. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &wiki=wikipedia&lang=en  count) 06:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence "So far, it is not legally proven that Roj TV has any form for connection to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), therefore Roj TV must be legal in Denmark according to the Danish law." is not just an opinion but a neutral explanation of the problem. Fanoftheworld (talk) 16:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Without reliable sources, it stands out as an opinion. By all means add it with sources, because then I agree that it isn't opinion. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &wiki=wikipedia&lang=en  count) 18:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Roj TV

message: The only Danish person I've ever known was named Rasmussen. Is it just a chance impression, or is Rasmussen a very, very common name in DK?  Sca (talk) 19:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the ninth-most common last name in Denmark:  -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &wiki=wikipedia&lang=en  count) 19:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, it's a bit of statistical oddity that Denmark has had three prime ministers in a row named Rasmussen (Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, Anders Fogh Rasmussen and Lars Løkke Rasmussen). --RenniePet (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well. There are about 100,000 people with this last name, out of about 5,500,000 people. That's 1.8 % of people. So the chances of three in a row are 0.18 to the power of 3 - that about 0.6 % chance that three in a row would be named Rasmussen. Rasmussen is the ninth most common name in Denmark - so if we multiply by eight, we will get a too low estimate of the chances of three PMs in a row having the same last name, among the top nine last names. That's about a 4.5 % chance. Conversely, the chances of any one combination winning the lottery is, depending on the lottery, perhaps one in 10 million. So not that odd, perhaps. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &wiki=wikipedia&lang=en  count) 07:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, my studies in statistics go back almost 40 years, but still... 1.8% is 0.018, not 0.18. And my comment was very imprecise, not suitable for a quantitative answer. I guess one way to try to look at it more quantitatively is like this: Given that we have the first Rasmussen (Paul Nyrup), what are the chances that the next two PMs will also be Rasmussens? Answer: 0.018 x 0.018 = 0.000324, or about one chance in 3100. Not good odds if you're a betting man. :-)  --RenniePet (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rasmussens

message: There was a successionbox saying Rasmussen was Minister of Finance from 1990-1992, which i deleted, which was then edited back. Anders Fogh Rasmussen has never been Minister of Finance... I don't really think it is up for debate? http://www.fm.dk/Om%20os/Historie/Tidligere%20ministre.aspx
Harald ss (talk) 10:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He was "økonomiminister" ("Minister of Economic Affairs"). I guess from lack of this ministry in most other countries (except China it seems. Edit And a few other countries as well, fixed the disambig of that link), that there was no other suitable box for that. --Saddhiyama (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minister of Finance 

message: This article states that Danish troops were deployed to Iraq because of "Iraq's continued refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors in violation of the UN Security Council's resolution." In fact, in the months before the Iraq War began, Baghdad was cooperating with the UN inspectors. The latter were ordered out of the country by the UN itself just before the start of the war. This article is continuing to peddle a right-wing myth that was concocted to try to justify the Iraq War.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.65.102 (talk) 20:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for deployment of Danish troops to Iraq 

message: 213.185.28.192 added a filmography section to the article. I undid it, and 213.185.28.192 redid it, leaving a comment on my talkpage. I don't want to get into an edit war over this, so instead, I'll leave it for now and try and see what consensus on the filmography is here on the talkpage. The filmography contains two documentaries about Fogh Rasmussen and Denmark's involvement in war; it also contains a fictional movie about the murder of Fogh Rasmussen. The way I see it, a filmography should contain either movies by or starring Anders Fogh Rasmussen, of which to my knowledge there are none. Furthermore, Fogh Rasmussen is, I'm sure, featured in many, many more documentaries than these two. Judging from 213.185.28.192's comment on my talkpage, the inclusion of these documentaries may also be construed as POV: "Excuse me sir, but that Anders is not in any of the film is a complete lie. The two documentary movies are particularly interesting because they reveal Anders and his government as war criminals not following the Geneva conventions, this might be interesting for the general public to know since he is now chairman for NATO. The journalist of "Den hemmelige krig" was prosecuted for misinformation and Anders government answered with a 300 page long report. The journalist was later found not guilty. I was not aware that Wikipedia in this sense is suppressing liberty of speech and censoring crucial background information of general interest, just because you happen to have wicked political views...". The information in this comment may actually, if well sourced, be appropriate to the article on Anders Fogh Rasmussen, but this does not follow from putting it in a filmography section. The article on Tony Blair, for instance, has a section entitled Portrayals and cameo appearances which does not contain documentaries, but does contain both movies and series he's actually appeared in, as well as info on who has played him in movies like The Queen. But what does people think? -Lilac Soul (Talk • Contribs) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 05:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously it is wrong to include this information in a "filmography" when it is not concerning a person that is in the moviebusiness. I agree that the information, that critical and (in Denmark) acclaimed documentaries about Fogh and some of his politics exists, and that they sparked much debate at their release, could be worthy of mention, but it would need some sources to establish this. I propose a deletion of the filmography and I invite the IP-user to add the information in the article itself, if he/she is capable of coming up with some sources as well as writing about it in an NPOV-manner. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: As I know this is not true: "Rasmussen has focused almost exclusively on the tyrannical nature of Saddam Hussein's regime." If no source can be found, I think the statement should be deleted. Rerumirf (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentence

message: Regarding:
: the Conservative coalition partners repeatedly argued for more tax cuts and a flat tax rate at no higher than 50%.
I think that should be marginal tax rate, not flat tax rate. A 
flat tax rate of 50% would raise the overall tax rate for most Danes! 
In particular, I have never heard the Conservative party talk about a flat tax rate. That is usually reserved for the party Liberal Alliance and usually a proposed flat tax rate of 40%.
--Mortense (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flat vs marginal tax rate (in the lead of this article) 

message: Can this be added to the wikiepedia article, it's been widely cited in many news sources?
Vladimir Putin said that current NATO General Secretary Anders Fogh Rasmussen secretly recorded and leaked a private conversation with him, when he was the head of the Danish government.
Initial reaction was a denial issued through NATO Spokesperson Oana Lungescu who commented - “These accusations are complete nonsense. During his term in office as Danish Prime Minister, Mr Fogh Rasmussen never brought a dictaphone to record meetings with Mr Putin or anybody else.”
Mr. Gulbrandsen, a journalist with Danish public broadcaster DR, told Politiken that his subject was indeed wearing a microphone when he met with Mr. Putin in Brussels in 2002. Mr. Rasmussen was wearing the microphone to be heard during a meeting with journalists, and he didn't take it off when he later met with Mr. Putin.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C3E:73A0:21B:77FF:FECC:E4ED (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "What trust may there be after such incidents?" - Rasmussen secretly recording Vladimir Putin  

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