Talk:2008 Canadian federal election

message: I have changed it so that the Green Party is no longer in the info box. This is because the party has not won any seats and only has a small amount of the popular vote.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.71.174 (talk) 21:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with this change, and it appeared from the discussion earlier on this page that the consensus was that the Green Party should be included. Newspapers typically included the Green Party in coverage of election results, polls, and so on. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 21:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm with Paul Erik on this one; the Green Party should be in the infobox precisely because, while they're still technically a minor party, they're the only minor party that has widespread enough support that they get covered like a major one: Elizabeth May got into the debates, they're covered in election results and polls, they run candidates in virtually all ridings (a feat which no other minor party comes close to), they get enough voter support to get per-vote funding (a feat which no other minor party comes close to), and basically the press and the political system in Canada does treat them as contenders. Whether they should treat the Greens as a serious force in politics or not is not for Wikipedia to say, given WP:NPOV rules; our job here is solely to reflect the fact that they do treat the Greens as a serious force in politics. Bearcat (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, 6.8% of the popular vote is substantial.  TastyCakes (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally the raw figure of 900,000+ people is substantial.  FPTP doesn't make them not notable, it just makes them powerless. - BalthCat (talk) 09:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Paul Erik, too. Winning seats is one measure of notability; winning votes and media coverage are equally valid measures. Ground Zero | t 10:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree.  The Green Party isn't even an official party recognized by parliament.  They have zero seats in Parliament.  Their leader does not hold a seat.  Recommend removing Elizabeth May.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riptider (talk • contribs) 21:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article isn't about parliament, it's about the election.  The Green party got over 900,000 votes, which I still think is significant enough to justify its inclusion in the infobox.  Should we have a vote on the subject?  TastyCakes (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree with above (recent) comments in support of inclusion. Also note (as noted earlier) that as leader of the Green party, May participated in the national debate, and that Dion specifically chose not to run a Liberal candidate in her riding (and vice versa), which was one of the unique aspects of the 2008 election. Singularity42 (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Now that the election has passed, it might be a good idea to trim that section down. (And the tense needs to be changed; a lot of it was clearly written before the vote.) 24.11.127.26 (talk) 05:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you'd like to rewrite it, I'd certainly support you. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: I think the Anything But Conservative article is too long and overly detailed. I propose it be merged into the Canadian federal election, 2008 article with a paragraph or so explaining the campaign. Please discuss. Karl 334 Talk--Contribs 21:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How is an article being "overly detailed" a problem? I see know reason why it should be deleted for a paragraph. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. There is room for this article. Ground Zero | t 01:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems there is not appetite for this article to be merged, expect from Karl who hasn't responded to mine and Ground Zero's comments. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just an idea, talk first act later ;-). Karl 334 Talk--Contribs 14:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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message: Right now the picture being used for Stephane Dion in the infobox is :File:Stéphane Dion (cropped).jpg. It's been that way since, as far as I can tell, 2020, but I don't think it's the best option - it's dark, not particularly accurate to the year (as far as I can tell it's from when he was in Trudeau's cabinet), etc.
I propose we switch it to :File:Stéphane Dion.jpg. It's lighter, still front-facing, and actually from 2008. Beyond that, this is actually the picture that this article used for over a decade. The reason we ended up with the newer picture of Dion is because in 2020 a completely different picture was uploaded as a "new version" of :File:Stéphane Dion.jpg (you can check the file history to see what I'm talking about). I'm assuming this was an accident, but as a consequence it meant that this newer picture ended up being used here automatically - since it was overly wide and didn't fit the infobox, a cropped version - :File:Stéphane Dion (cropped).jpg - was added in it's place. What it meant was that the 2008 got changed to one from 2016/2017 without any input from anyone here.
I don't think it'll be a controversial change but I don't want my edit to get reverted so I'm bringing it up here.
Tholden28 (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason not to change it. FWIW, the file at :File:Stéphane Dion.jpg was an uncropped variant of the newer picture for sometime between 2020 and 2021. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 23:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant! Wasn't sure if I did a good job explaining things Tholden28 (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth it's not hard to fix it by cropping - for instance like it is here. Plus again it has the benefit of being from 2008 instead of 12 years after the election. Tholden28 (talk) 02:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The current Dion picture was taken on August 20, 2008. It was uploaded in 2020. Ak-eater06 (talk)  04:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't though, that's what I've been trying to explain. All of the information associated with the current picture - the date it was taken, the original Flickr URL, the original author, licensing, etc. - belongs to the picture I'm suggesting instead. The current picture (:File:Stéphane Dion (cropped).jpg) got uploaded on April 12, 2020, during the period when the image I'm suggesting (:File:Stéphane Dion.jpg) was an uncropped variant of the newer picture (again, I'm not sure if I'm doing the best job explaining things, but you can check the file history to see the issue I'm talking about). Because of that, the cropped image (the image currently used in the article) has the date/source/author/permission/etc. associated with :File:Stéphane Dion.jpg, even though it is incorrect. I'm not spreading false information here - you can check. If you look at :File:Stéphane Dion January 30, 2020.jpg, you can see the information it should have, including the fact that it was taken in 2020. That's why I'm suggesting we change it. Tholden28 (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. Sure, let's change it to your suggested image (though you should crop out the hand). Ak-eater06 (talk)  16:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dion picture