Talk:Final Fantasy VII/Archive 1

message: As comprehensive as they are, I reckon that the big lists of characters and locations here and in Final Fantasy VIII could do with being put in their own articles (with the major characters and locations listed as required in the plot section of the main article, perhaps). Right now they just shove a big spoilerly gap in the middle of the article which probably won't help outsiders looking to find out a bit about the game. Thoughts? Sockatume 14:39, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Character & Location lists

message: Recently the "FFVII last cutscene.jpg" image was removed from the page by anonymous user, log saying it was a "huge spoiler". I sort of agree with this, aside of a few small things:
# There's already a big, fat Spoiler Warning up there. I agree pictures are kind of tricky even in pages with spoiler warnings...
# The article says what happens to Aeris in the spoiler'd section.
# And also, look at the picture - that's just Cloud and Aeris. Without the complete context from the game, it's hard to tell what exactly has been going on.
# And the big reason why I agree it should be there: At least on my Playstation Platinium version of the game, there's exact same picture on the back of the game case! Sony doesn't think it's a "huge spoiler", why should we?
Also, this whole ordeal is a very, very, very widely known fact. You just can't avoid reading about this in one way or another...
So, I put the picture back, with a less revealing caption!
--Wwwwolf 18:09, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed picture...? 

message: Anon. editor, I read several of the reasons you posted on your talk page (why not here?), and with several of them, you have a valid point. But there's still the notability question. Yes, every character plays some role in the game, but what is the notability threshold? "Providing statistics on Chocobos" would hardly seem notable (by that rubric I could argue that the status menu is an important character), nor would simply "having a name and interacting with the character." But I do grant that your expanded entries on several characters are worthwhile, and that some of them should be included (Zangan, in particular, was definitely a worthwhile addition, and Elder Bugah probably as well). Again, however, can I please ask you to consider Paul Soth's suggestion and move them to a related article. In light of your expanded entries, I accept that they have their place, but I still feel throwing everything onto this page does a disservice to people who would come to this page looking for a general overview of the game and who are instead greeted with borderline fancruft clutter. Something like List of Final Fantasy VII characters, which we can then link from this article? How does that sound? – Seancdaug 23:46, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
:I think the seperate article for massive expanded lists is an excellent idea. As for this page, the only characters to be spoken of I personally propose should be as follows:
:*Playables
:*Of the Nonplayables:
::*Just one bullet for "The Turks". Within the bullet, you can list the names if you want.
::*Just one bullet for "Avalanche", which can list the nonplayable avalanche members Jessie Biggs and Wedge.
::*The major players of Shinra: The President, Rufus, Hojo, Sephiroth. NOT Reeve, etc.
::*Characters' parents and relations if they have large speaking roles. Elmyra, Professor Gast, Budenhagen, Lucrecia. NOT Marlene, Barrett's wife.
::*Zack
::*Other major characters that play significant roles in the plot, on the spot I can think of Zangan, Weapons and Jenova.
:*NOT Choco Billy or the Menu Screen ! And NOT Dyne, Domino, Don Corneo - they are too much just parts of small irrelevent subplots to be part of a detailed overview.
:I bolded some characters because their sections should be a little larger than the others which only need a little explanation.--alfakim 16:51, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise?