Talk:Alexei Stakhanov

message: Someone please add link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CFA5:42A0:1856:D3D0:2063:CD36 (talk) 19:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

message: Okay i am talking about the story Animal Farm and i would like to know is Boxer the horse is that the person who played as Aleksei—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.131.191 (talk) 23:35, 18 March 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.71.98 (talk) 10:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Thanks for trying, Fastfission, but it is still deceitful. Is it OK if I post in my blog that your might have been raping little kids and eating puppies alive and then someone else will post this on Wikipedia as a legitimate point of view?
Our goal here is not to present opposing points of view - it's a job for Wikinfo or some such project. We must be neutral and stick to the facts. The selective quotes from Times distort the truth, they even distort what Petrov said.
The fuller quote is here. It's not Times quoting Petrov, it's Times quoting Pravda. And they hand pick the quotes to create an absolutely wrong impression.
I am sorry, but the point of view of NYT has no right to appear in the article. If it is to be included, we must clarify that it is a made-up controversy created by anti-Soviet forces in order to smear the Soviet order. It may sound high-flown, but it is reality. I explained above why the version currently presented in "Validity questioned" is a lie.
I mean, NYT intentionally distorted (or that Serge guy did) the truth. They cherry picked the facts, picked some out of context quotes and tried to cast doubts on Stakhanov's achievement. This is not an opposing point of view, this is a clear attempt to mislead. And yet you quote NYT as if they had a valid position that must be represented. This is nonsense. I appreciate your good faith attempt at re-editing, but I simply can't see how a demonstratively false NYT propaganda can be included in the article.
It may be possible to explain the truth behind these attempts to smear this particular Soviet hero, but I am not convinced that is terribly useful. However, I do not have any objections against that - it's just that currently you simply give too much credit to liars and their falsehoods. Paranoid 16:25, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The NYT is not "your blog" -- it is a major news source. I'm re-inserting it. If you want to say the Times got it wrong, then cite something that says so! If you think they mistranslated the quote, post your own translation afterwards! You'll get more bang for your buck if you say, "The Times got it wrong, like a lot of people -- here's some proof" than saying "The Times opinion shouldn't be represented at all." The view in the US news is that this guy is a picture of Soviet fraud. If there are counter-views, feel free to post them. --Fastfission 17:33, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version 

message: I am afraid New York Times journalists and its readers will never understand the dignity of labour. They will never understand how it ennobles the man, how building your own country can be the most honourable thing in the world. Search for "workers" at nytimes.com, you won't find anything. It is expected for a biased capitalist newspaper (with all the talks about liberal bias vs. righ-wing bias you forget that it's biased against the working people). Where are the films glorifying the labour in the US? Of course, when these people see Aleksei Stakhanov, a true labour hero that was respected by millions and who set an example for them, the immediate impulse is to smear his image with dirt, to deny that it can happen, that a "lower-class" man can be respected. This should not be the attitude of Wikipedia. Paranoid 18:25, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Enough with the rhetoric, please get real about this and stop seeming like so much of a Soviet shill. You'll convince more people if you can quote references than you will by appealing to the NYT as an anti-worker conspiracy. --Fastfission 17:34, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, Fastfission, you have a point here. I will do as you suggest. Do you have a full text of the article or the online link to an archive copy? To say "The Times got it wrong" I need to be sure that it was they, who cherry-picked the quotes and not, say, you (not that I don't trust you) or someone who quoted NYT article (if you did not get the quote directly from Times). Then I can provide a full translation and other references and explain the situation in more details. P.S. Thanks for defending your point in a relatively respectful manner, BTW. P.P.S. Waiting for the link/text/title (at least) of the article. Paranoid 09:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you send me an email using the "e-mail this user" button, I'll send you the NYT article in response (I have it as a PDF file). --Fastfission 14:50, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatred of labour 

message: Is there any specific reason why the names of the mines are in a different script, viz. "№31" versuses "No. 31"? It looks not only odd but even pretentious, without some explanation for this usage. -- llywrch 19:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. That's how Russians write what in English we'd just write as "No." (as an abbreviation for number) -- I've always thought it was a bit odd since there is no letter "N" in the Russian alphabet (the "N" sound is created by a "Н"). It probably means whoever put the text in was a Russian -- it can safely be rendered as text, I'm fairly sure (it means the same thing). --Fastfission 03:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage question 

message: Stakhanovism sounds the the beginning of the modern sales contest.  Managers find someone to set an outrageously high target and then admonish everyone to aspire to it.  As days dwindle and reality begins to rear its ugly head, those who doubted all along are silenced through terrorism or termination.  As the final days arrive, salesmen reach ahead to push product into clients' inventories and convert future sales into the sales contest, thereby increasing production through gimmicktry and at the expense of future productivity.  At the close of the contest, mangement is not obliged to reward any increased productivity because the target was not reached, but may do so out of the goodness of their hearts, and the organization then purges itself of anyone who was smart enough to see how it would conclude, even blaming them for ruining the sales effort with their negative attitudes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.0.91 (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father of the Modern Sales Contest 

message: the last paragraph of the main section is too repetitive of earlier material;
can someone please delete redundancy and move the S. Movement reference
to the first paragraph where it belongs? Coughinink 14:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite needed on last graph 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Time - Stakhanov.jpg

message: Wasn't Stakhanov the model for Boxer, from George Orwell's Animal Farm? - 114.76.227.0 (talk) 14:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now in the article, under "Legacy".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.71.98 (talk) 10:14, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Orwell 

message: Alexey was born in 1906..Alexey began working in a mine in 1906. Might be a typo but can we have this fixed? I can't find a source on his date of birth, but of course he doesn't start working right at birth.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russell leb (talk • contribs) 02:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph's timeline makes no sense 

message: This person was a propaganda tool of the Soviet regime. It was irrelevant whether or not he actually achieved any records - probably he did not. The publicity around him was a typical communist propaganda ploy. Yet this article is written as if it was simply all true, and the fame genuine. This should be correctedRoyalcourtier (talk) 22:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda 

message: Many Stakhanovites were beaten or killed by other workers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.71.98 (talk) 08:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deal 

message: His name was Alexey, but he was born Andrei. There is a story in the Eastern block that he was forced to change his first name because the telegram the Pravda received about his first big achievement only contained "A. Stakhanov", and they guessed that it was Alexey :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.21.207 (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First name 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved.  Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexey Stakhanov →  – WP:COMMONNAME, per Google Books Ngram.  —Michael Z. 21:28, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 January 2023 

message: Stop removing the paragraph about his alcoholism and the brawl. It is necessary here not to ridicule him, but to show a real person, warts and all. Alcoholism was and is a perennial issue in Russia and it should be of value to note whenever and how it affected famous people. It is not a pretty sight, but such is life. This is not hagiography.
* Where are the reliable sources for this? When was this removed in any case?? Luganchanka (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is now as it was then, Stephen, Kotkin. "Stalin: Waiting for Hitler". Penguin Press: 2014, p. 274. I don't know when exactly it was removed, but last time I added it was about a year ago. MrThe1And0nly (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcoholism