Talk:Deir Yassin

message: It is a nonsense to have two articles, one about the Deir Yassin massacre (openly stating that it DID happen, and offering historical evidence) and another, this one, that is supposedly about the Deir Yassin village, but ends up curiously trying to deny that that very event happened (or at least it tries to reformulate it from a zionist perspective, clearly not NPOV).
If you want to talk about the Deir Yassin massacre, please DO it at it´s appropiate article.Violenciafriki 20:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005

message: May I remind readers that this "operation" took place before Israel existed as a state.  The forces involved (Lehi, Irgun) were terrorist organisations, not sovereign military forces.  Even Ben Gurion thought so (he later tried to kill Begin - see Altalena).  To call this "an Israeli military operation" is to call Munich 1972 "a Palestinian military operation". I call into question the impartiality of this page. 86.15.169.220 12:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please report your concerns at Talk:Deir Yassin massacre. This is the article about the village. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli military operation?!

message: It is normal for the Arabic name for a village to be provided, and not simply the English transliteration. I hope some one can provide the necessary script.Nishidani 09:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic name 

message: Is there a confusion here between Givat Shaul and Givat Shaul Bet? Givat Shaul existed, but Segev says Givat Shaul Bet was built on Deir Yassin. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 19:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Actually, I had no idea they were different. Go ahead and make the adjustment in the article? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not 100 percent sure they're different myself. I know only that various sources speak of them as two separate places, though one source refers to Givat Shaul Bet as the hospital itself, so I'm confused too. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 20:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have any of my books with me right now (maybe in a few hours), so I'm just going to go by the article on Givat Shaul which says Givat Shaul Bet is a sub-neighborhood of the neighborhood. Do you have any reliable sources that say otherwise? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I recently put in the article that Givat Shaul Bet was established in 1906, thinking it was Givat Shaul. This is incorrect, right? If so what year was the latter neighborhood established? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was 1949 according to the Deir Yassin article (and Tom Segev). That was why Buber and the others were protesting, because it was so soon after the massacre. See the last section of the massacre article. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 20:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha. I am going to wait until I get hold of my Khalidi book in two or three hours. I won't oppose anyone making the necessary changes in the article, however. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tidied it as best I can with the sources I have here, but I don't have Khalidi, so feel free to change what I've written. I removed Chomsky because he's not a historian, and I find he's usually wrong about points of detail in this area. For example, he said the Deir Yassin cemetery was bulldozed.  But I watched a recent video of someone walking through the cemetery. It's been allowed to turn into a mess, but it's still there. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 20:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Nothing against removing Chomsky (I believe it was added by another user a while back), but I would like to add a sentence centered on how the massacre provoked the Palestinian exodus since that seems like the biggest effect the event had. Could you add this with the source you used in the massacre article? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, will do. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 21:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to inform everyone, Khalidi states on p.291: "In the summer of 1949 several hundred Jewish immigrants were settled near Dayr Yasin and new settlement was named Giv'at Sha'ul Bet, after the older settlement of Giv'at Sha'ul which had been established in 1906." --Al Ameer son (talk) 14:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking it up. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 15:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Givat Shaul Bet 

message: I have concerns about the use of this map, given how confusing the issue is already. Some names and roads have been superimposed, so it's not clear what is from the original map dates (and there are two, because two maps were spliced), and what was added. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 21:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this particular map is difficult to read, but we certainly need some sort of detailed map in the geography section. Perhaps the one being used in the massacre article: :File:JerusalemWest1870s.jpg? Anyhow, I added the pushpin map to the infobox, but we still need a detailed map. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that would be fine with me. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 00:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true, but the previous map is kind of confusing. I there a clearer one by any chance? --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a very good and clear map of Jerusalem District Villages, 1948 in the Tamari book I noted above. It shows the location of Deir Yassin relative to other villages, to Jerusalem, and to the main Jerusalem-Jaffa road. The map is credited to House of Maps in Ramallah. I haven't been able to find it online. I could scan it, but would I be able to post it either to this talk page or to the article? RolandR 18:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's copyrighted, you can't post it here as an image (no fair use images allowed on talk), but you can link to it. However, maybe it's a PD map, like most maps from that period. It would be interesting to see, please at least scan it for me :) —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't link to it, as it doesn't seem to be available online. And I think it is a modern schematic map, not from 1948. I could send it to you if you have email enabled. And by the way, re the below, Zero has recently returned to editing, which is welcome news. RolandR 18:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, I see you haven't enabled email. I have, so write to me and I can send you the map. RolandR 18:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Re to Al Ameer son: Well I'd be really excited to get my hands on the original, but Zero0000 doesn't edit anymore, and I have no idea where to find this map. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated :) If you are based in the US, you might have access to such materials. Of course, I could just make a map, but with the dispute going on about this one which is made from an authorative British map, I shudder to think what other Wikipedians will say about a map made from scratch by a Wikipedian. —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: ...has this rather nice photo of 'Turk. Trenches, Deir Yassin' if anyone wants to upload and use it. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Library of Congress...

message: Regarding this edit and the Hebrew source used by Yehuda Lapidot. I think this may be the English version of the same text. I have no idea whether it's regarded as a reliable source either with or without attribution. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sean's link is a partial English version of the Hebrew text. In fact, the Hebrew starts from the previous page , at the paragraph beginning "In March, the acts of hostility reached their peak". But some of the English seems a rewriting, rather than a translation, of the Hebrew.Yehuda Lapidot was a professor of biochemistry, a former Irgun member, and later head of Israel's underground propaganda activity in the Soviet Union. He wrote several histories of the Irgun; I have no idea whether they are considered reliable. RolandR (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lapidot was himself a participant at Deir Yassin, in fact one of those in charge of it, so his words have to be taken with that in mind. Zerotalk 03:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Yehuda Lapidot at daat.ac.il

message: It would be very nice if some good at reading old German could translate Tobler, 1854, pp. 529 -530. He also gives some sources, but I haven´t been able to find them. 
I wonder if the  Deirassin, RHH,  pp. 41 -42, No 164, mentioned in 1136, is it? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  German speakers? 

message: this ok than here you go "https://books.google.com/books?id=9dI8cUKQplgC&pg=PA375&lpg=PA375&dq=deir+yassin+arab+propaganda&source=bl&ots=YjwSUfryeR&sig=hwvcaDRisVUQLE6Cz-DSjWwpc_0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MI5YVef6C-3X7AaCtIGIDw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=deir%20yassin%20a this is said that the arabs spread propaganda about their yesin massacre and the whole world was brainwashed cuz of that. "Although he claimed further that it was not atrocities at Deir Yassin but Arab propaganda “ so if we can say it about the whole people who were condemn this even cuz of that we can say that about einstein.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.130.58 (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not at all clear what point the IP is trying to make above; but it appears that Einstein is not even mentioned in the source s/he cites, so it would in any case be unacceptable synthesis to claim that this characterisation refers to him. As it happens, the IP is quoting a statement ascribed to Menachem Begin, one of the people widely held to be responsible for the massacre, so it is hardly surprising that he would deny that there were any atrocities committed there, and ascribe it all to "Arab propaganda". There is no way that we can use this claim in Wikipedia's voice; if we use it at all, we must say whose view this is. RolandR (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  einstein and the arab propaganda  

message: This word makes no sense in the lede. Is it meant to be "razed" or "erased" or am I just misreading the context. Tigerboy1966  19:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure someone just misspelled "razed". Thanks for pointing that out. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raised? 

message: Does anyone has  copy of the Canaan-source? -Huldra (talk) 22:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canaan-source, anyone? 

message: Eliezer Tauber, The Massacre That Never Was: The Myth of Deir Yassin and the Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem (The Toby Press, 2021), 336pp. 2A06:C701:4836:400:8875:FE7B:9860:E408 (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but its been discussed at Talk:Deir Yassin massacre. nableezy - 21:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In the first chapter of this book there are a lot of details about the village that one can add to the article. 2A06:C701:73EB:5400:BF8:41C8:D48D:A9E7 (talk) 10:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A New Book about Deir Yassin 

message: Change "he five" to "The five" in the following sentence:
he five hamulas (clans) of Deir Yassin were the Shahada, 'Aql, Hamidad, Jabir and Jundi. AnthonyTF (talk) 10:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: M.Bitton (talk) 14:47, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2024