Talk:The Doctor (Doctor Who)/Archive 1

message: Is the Scream of the Shalka doctor counted as the ninth doctor or is it Christopher Eccleston?
:The producers have made it clear that Eccleston is the Ninth Doctor. The REG Doctor has been relegated to non-canonical status. -khaosworks 21:22, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Scream of the Shalka

message: Sorry about the string of edits... I was trying to make the article look better and kept coming up with more changes. -khaosworks 05:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots of tweaking

message: I notice khaosworks has updated this page to point readers to the main Doctor Who and Doctor Who spin-offs articles for information on other Doctors, but neither of those contains all other Doctors from other media.
Wouldn't it make sense to have a section here listing, at least briefly, all the actors to have portrayed the part, so they can be found all together? The list needn't contain much detail; each could be linked to the most appropriate article for more information (e.g. Peter Cushing's and Rowan Atkinson's personal entries, Big Finish Productions for the various Unbound Doctors, etc). Thoughts? - Guybrush 04:55, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you do up a draft here first? -khaosworks 07:26, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: This proposed revision seems to have fallen by the wayside. Unless anyone objects or wants to see a sandboxed version first, over the weekend I may transfer a large chunk of information from Doctor Who (in particular the Appearances portion) about other Doctors into a new section of this article, along with stuff from Doctor Who spin-offs. --khaosworks 17:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Doctors 

message: It's official: 
That didn't take long, however the press release suggests that we'll at least see the regeneration this time, most likely during the announced Christmas special. Maybe the Tenth Doctor will be Santa Claus? 23skidoo 04:23, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Eccleston quits

message: The novels, most recently The Gallifrey Chronicles, have given us glimpses of the Doctor's possible parents: the Englishwoman Penelope Gate (first seen in The Room With No Doors) and the Time Lord Ulysses (who may be Daniel Joyce from Vampire Science).  Should they be included here, or somewhere (with the usual caveats about canonicity, of course)? --Josiah Rowe 18:38, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Daniel Joyce turns out to be Professor Chronotis in Unnatural History, not that rules him out I suppose. Let's not forget brother Irving either… Tim! (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does he?  I'd forgotten that.  Perhaps I should re-read it... —Josiah Rowe 20:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Doctor's parents (maybe)? 

message: I've added this section since the idea of the Doctor as a sexless creature is, IMO, quite notable. I've even worked in a very vague allusion to Ulysses and Penelope. I now unleash the hordes of Wikipedia editors on it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Doctor and romance

message: Supposedly David Tennent is the Tenth doctor, but is it likely that he went 900 years without a regeneration, and then NINE regenerations in forty years? What was he doing for the first 900 years of his life to allow himself to stay so trouble-free - twiddling his thumbs?
In which case, maybe the Doc has now reached the end of his regenerations? Which brings me to my next point - why exactly are the Timelords limited to 12 regenerations? If that was a 'law' passed for population control, then presumably the deaths of the rest of them negates that ruling. Or perhaps its like in Highlander, and timelords absorb the power of their dead relatives (in which case the Doctor would have millions of regenerations left). Just seems a shame to have the Doc run out anytime soon.
:There are several things to note here. One is that the last 40 years (or 27 years) are what we have seen of the Doctor, but they are not the only adventures he has had. See Doctor (Doctor Who)#The Doctor's age for that. Secondly, yes, it is firmly established that William Hartnell was the First Doctor, the original, and David Tennant is the Tenth; but see also Doctor (Doctor Who)#The Doctor's regenerations for more on that. Thirdly, the 12 regeneration limit was first stated in The Deadly Assassin as a hard limit, not a law. The exact quote goes something like, "After 12 regenerations, nothing can prevent death," but see also Time Lord#Physical characteristics for possible exceptions. In any case, any writer worth his salt can get around the 12 regeneration limit. I myself can think of at least four (or five) distinct ways around it given the facts as established. I wouldn't worry too much. :) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we actually have evidence that there were no Doctors between McGann and Eccleston? Algr 08:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately, only Russell T. Davies' assertion that Christopher Eccleston is the Ninth Doctor. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What number Doctor are we REALLY at (and how many more to go)?

message: I reverted the expansion - and I believe we've gone through this before - because I cannot think it can honestly be said that Sarah, Peri or Tegan were "openly shown" to be attracted to the Doctor. At best, there were only very, very subtle hints and even then I would hesitate tremendously to characterise it that way. Peri was only with the Fifth Doctor on screen for two stories, there was nothing with the Sixth Doctor, Tegan and the Fifth Doctor bickered all the time, and even Elisabeth Sladen is on record as saying that Sarah and the Doctor were "best friends" and never goes beyond that. In the commentary for the DVD of The Ark in Space Sladen goes to far as to comment about how they managed to make the chemistry non-sexual. Romana, yes (the most blatant example being in State of Decay where the Doctor tells her how wonderful she is), but the others, no. 
I hasten to add that my objection here is not from a standpoint of a person who sees the Doctor as sexless (I have no problems with the various kisses, for example). I simply don't see it being strong enough in these cases to warrant such a phrasing. I would like very specific examples to be cited if this is to be argued. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. I can't say I've ever seen Sarah in particular having an attraction to the Doctor, but neither Tegan nor Peri show any sign. Grace does (although she's not a companion IMO), Romana may do and Rose and Jack possibly do, but that's it. --Whouk (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree that the argument for Doctor-companion romance in "classic" Who (excepting Romana) is tenuous. I added the comment about the production team playing up the characters' sexiness though, because it wasn't just the press that was responsible for that. JN-T in particular tried to have it both ways, putting the companions in skimpy costumes but forbidding Peter Davison to touch them onscreen. I suppose his thought was that it was OK to sexualize the companions as long as the Doctor never showed an interest in them. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, because, as the cliché goes, they weren't for the Doctor to oogle, but for the Dads to keep watching after the sports results. :) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Doctor and romance reversions

message: Minor point - it's mentioned that Parting of the Ways was the first time the Doctor regenerated standing up. Are you sure he wasn't standing when the Time Lords regenerated him at the end of War Games? I haven't seen that episode in more than 10 years so I can't recall if he was sitting or standing at the time. 23skidoo 14:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We never did see him regenerate at all in The War Games, just Troughton receding into darkness as the faces swirled around him, and saying he was getting giddy. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also recall him starting to make faces, as if his face was being altered. However that might also have been Troughton mugging. Of course if one subscribes to the Season 6B theory, this wasn't a lead-up to regeneration at all... 23skidoo 15:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regenerating standing up?

message: I'm going to be not-bold and make my suggestions here :-)
: This has occurred three times to date on the television series (The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors), and numerous other times in various literary and audio spin-offs.
Should we list, canon or otherwise, The EastEnders Play here?
:It has has been suggested in fanon that the Time Lords erased the Doctor's memory after such encounters, however in The Five Doctors, the Third Doctor accurately describes the appearance of his fourth incarnation (suggesting the two may have met in an unchronicled adventure).
I hadn't heard the theory that the Time Lords erased their memories. I always assumed the lesser effect of the BLE as applied to Time Lords in different incarnations was that the earlier incarnation lost his memory - rather than there being a big explosion. A much bigger problem is the predestination paradox in The Two Doctors because the Sixth Doctor rescues his earlier incarnation.
I thought the implication of that line in The Five Doctors was that Pertwee is interpreting what Sarah Jane is trying to describe, but I'd have to watch it again to check. —Whouk (talk) 09:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dimensions in Time doesn't really count, because the different incarnations of the Doctor do not actually cross paths, although the Fourth Doctor is able to send them a message. The erasure theory is just one that I remember being kicked around back in the day (I'd be surprised if a novel or Big Finish audio hasn't tried to address it but I'm less familiar with them), and the Third Doctor's exchange with Sarah Jane: "But, you changed." "All teeth and curls? Well, it hasn't happened ... yet." is a pretty explicit reference to the Fourth Doctor. I agree the predestination paradox should be noted as well. 23skidoo 12:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point about DiT. I'll try to have a look at The Five Doctors later (I wanted to check a quote too). I vaguely remember Sarah Jane doing "teeth and curls" hand signals. —Whouk (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've just checked - Sarah makes "teeth and curls" hands gestures, which the Doctor interprets. At least, that's the simplest explanation. —Whouk (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm...guess someone beat me to the discussion page...anywho, Sarah clear makes pantomine motions to her teeth and hair, prompting the 3rd Doctor to make the "teeth and curls" comment.  Anything else--i.e. positing that the 4th and 3rd Doctors have met some time before--is fan speculation and when weighed against the onscreen evidence just doesn't belong in this article. DonQuixote 20:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'd like to know is how someone supposedly as intelligent as the Doctor would interpret someone pointing at her head as meaning "curls". For all we know, she might have meant "brunette" or "bald" for that matter. That said, the novelization does have Sarah, not the Doctor, saying the "teeth and curls" line which supports the rumor that Pertwee asked to be able to speak the line (though I'd like to know the source of that -- I'd never heard that trivia item before). In any event, it still needs to be acknowledged otherwise someone will just add it back later. I'm going to put back a modified version. 23skidoo 20:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Her actions are more demonstrative than just pointing at her head. And when it comes to interpreting it, it's not as if the Doctor hasn't at times shown a propensity for telepathy :-) —Whouk (talk) 20:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dicks says it on the DVD commentary, which is appropriately sourced in note 15 of The Five Doctors. I don't want to mention this in the main article, but in the Virgin New Adventures, particularly Christmas on a Rational Planet by Lawrence Miles, reference is made to a dangerous and disapproved of game called "Eighth Man Bound" that was played by young Time Lords on Gallifrey, where the player tries to see his possible future incarnations and running the risk of regeneration, death or random genetic rearrangement. The name "Eighth Man Bound" comes from the fact that the maximum number of incarnations any player has been able to see is eight (a record rumoured to have been equalled by a member of the Prydonian Academy, but the Doctor denies he'd have ever played such a reckless and irresponsible game, oh definitely not). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If nothing else, it's a self-referential joke. Sarah pointing to her teeth and hair with the Doctor then commenting "teeth and bald", or whatever, isn't as funny as "teeth and curls".  Besides, "teeth and curls" is a common English phrase, much more so than "teeth and bald", etc. DonQuixote 23:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When regenerations meet 

message: Just a observation. (And spoiler alert for Christmas Invasion). I think it's unlikely the Doctor wouldn't have had access to a mirror inside the TARDIS because The Christmas Invasion has him checking out his "new look" in one. The idea of the Doctor checking himself out in a mirror while changing his outfits is something of a tradition in the series. One bit of fun speculation (which actually works) is that the Doctor could have recently had a haircut! ("Could have been worse -- look at the ears!") ;) 23skidoo 13:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or spent some time in a monastic order that forbade objects of vanity like mirrors... in Lancashire. ;) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: My assumption is that this isn't the first time he's seen himself - it's just that he's unsatisfied with how he looks, and keeps checking himself to see if he's getting used to it, or to find something good about it. (Just like you'd do after a bad haircut.) How's that? --Brian Olsen 00:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mirrors

message: Much of the specifics for the new "renewal" paragraph come from the Tomb of the Cybermen DVD -- in particular the running note feature present on most (if not all) classic-series DVDs. If someone wants to cite specifics (for instance the First Doctor's intended age versus the Second Doctor's revealed age), go right ahead.
As for the two exceptions to the general trend -- well. Both the Troughton-Pertwee and the Davison-Baker regenerations were kind of unusual. In all other cases, the pattern has been true. Also perhaps incidentally, Davies recently went on record about how he didn't think older Doctors were viable anymore -- though he framed it more as a demographics issue. --Aderack 03:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Renewal

message: I've moved the article to The Doctor (Doctor Who), since our Time Lord is credited as "The Doctor" (ie including the article) in the new series. --Kwekubo 17:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it back - see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name). The Doctor, as written, is never as "The Doctor" but always "the Doctor". We've discussed this before, here. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor vs The Doctor 

message: Khaosworks recently removed a mention of Father's Day from the section on regenerations meeting.  I don't think it needs to be in this article, but even though there was no visible energy discharge or explosion when the two Roses touched in Father's Day, Paul Cornell has made it clear that the "ZAP!" the Doctor warned Rose about was the BLE, and that it was the BLE energy discharge caused by Rose touching her baby self (sounds a bit icky!) which allowed the Reaper to enter the church. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blinovich and his limitations 

message: The discussion regarding the character of Doctor Who and his lack of sexuality, becoming controversy and then hinting at involvement with the character of Rose, does not refer to the slight flirtation with the characetr of Captain Jack and the references that both Doctor and Jack make to being 'not restricted' to one gender...
I don't know how to put it without making it seem like a 'cry for time-traveller-gay-rights' :) - can someone else do this - please?!
(Also - reference needs to be made to the episode where cassandra inhabits the odctor's body and how the sexuality and love aspects are played out)
Crescent 23:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The doctor and his lovelife 

message: I haven't edited the main page to reflect the following observation as I don't have a copy of Vampire Science to hand: I recall that in Orman and Blum's book the Doctor gives his age as '3',  i.e. the lifespan of his eighth incarnation so far. In the same conversation he gives the 1012 figure by adding up the lifespans of all his incarnations.
Applying the same rule, 900 years could be the lifespan of the Ninth Doctor only, making him well over 2000 if we consider the books canon.
Jsteph 06:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've heard this theory before, but it doesn't jibe with the 900 years of phone box travel, 900 years of time space, or (especially) his "Look at the ears" line which implies a recent regeneration, so I've never put much stock into it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think his regen into #9 was all that recent when Rose staretd.  Looking back, the Doctor would have needed ample time as #9 to go back in time and appear in all those pictures that Clive/Mickey had on the "Who Is The Doctor?" website.  Notice Rose was nowhere in those photos. - EmiOfBrie 17:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if she doesn't appear in the photos she saw - she knows she didn't appear in them. For all we know, she was standing behind the camera/told the sketcher not to include her to avoid exacerbating the paradox - SoM 19:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And in any case, they all could have taken place between the time he leaves her at the end and then returns for her ("Did I mention it also travels in time?") at the end of Rose. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather put them before Rose altogether than try and force something in there - that's not a "gap" - look at his face throughout the scene, both B&A. No way is there more time elapsing between those scenes for the Doctor than Rose. - SoM 20:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that the placement is not clear. It's like the unseen portions preceding The Face of Evil taking place in that moment where you see the TARDIS just fading out  (and not even completely at that) in Robot. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Doctor's age 

message: See my comments on the Talk pages of Time War and S2 episode School Reunion about the point at which the Doctor became the last Time Lord: if there are more information fragments they could be brought together as a section on this page. Jackiespeel 21:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Last Time Lord

message: Aside from the fact that this is highly unencyclopedic wording, what are the suggestions for this other than the epilogue of The Dying Days?--Keycard (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None in the series; this was mostly (as stated) played up by the press and/or the production team (read: JNT). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Suggestions of hanky panky" 

message: I've moved all the categories to :Category:Doctor Who Doctors, where I think all categories that apply to all his incarnations should be to avoid duplication.  Categories that apply mostly to one regeneration (such as Fictional musicians for the Second Doctor and Fictional vegetarians for the Sixth should stay with their articles.  That okay with everybody? Jonathan D. Parshall 08:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: An anonymous editor recently removed this line from the section on the Doctor's accent(s) as too specific for an encyclopedia article.  I'm not sure I disagree, but it's such a great line I'm slightly loath to lose it.  What do other people think? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is fantastistic, but where does it come from? Jefffire 16:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from the episode Rose. Since this is a general article, it may be better just to note the line in the Ninth Doctor entry, where it is quoted verbatim. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's also in Aliens of London, isn't it? Or was it boomtown? Algr 18:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's World War Three — Rose repeats the line to Harriet Jones, MP (Flydale North). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lots of planets have a North!" 

message: I seem to remember the doctor being shot as he exited the TARDIS at the start of the episode and then regenerating in the morgue, not as a result of surgery as stated in the article. Someone corect me if i'm wrong i only watched the movie once and refuse towatch it again as i consider it a blasphemy.
:You can read a aynopsis at Doctor Who (1996). The Seventh Doctor was shot, but he was still alive. He was brought to the hospital, operated on, and died on the operating table because Grace couldn't navigate his alien physiology. They even say that the bullet wounds weren't that serious. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, I believe he was only ever shot in the shoulder and leg. There have been more fatal injuries on record!--71.139.18.66 10:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  7th - 8th regeneration 

message: I'm sure I recall seeing somewhere that the Doctor makes a cameo appearance in High Wizardry by Diane Duane: he's the "man at the bar" who helps the protagonist escape from her pursuers, and the description is apparently a dead ringer for the Fifth Doctor.
There is much discussion on the forum at her fan-site but I haven't yet been able to track down any specific yeah-or-nay from Diane herself.
Correction: I was able to track down this reference…which is on the Errantry Concordance, DD's official site, at which articles may only be created with her approval.
HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention in novel 

message: Should the main photo be replaced with the new one seen on the Tenth Doctor's page or not? GusF 18:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so; I uploaded the new one for Ten's article as the character is at a lonely, melancholy point in the narrative, post-Series 2. The pic here, I think, should reflect him more generally (he's standing in for nine predecessors, as well), so I think it's fine as it is. Radagast 02:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New photo

message: Hi, I've edited the page a couple of times to correct the article's claim that the Doctor regenerated outside of the TARDIS four times, and the list of special circumstances associated with these transitions. In fact he's done it five times, the fifth being Logopolis after the Doctor falls off the huge antenna. The special circumstance in this case would be merging with the Watcher. For some reason both of these edits have since been deleted and the article again features the inaccurate content. Is there something I'm missing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.6.224.49 (talk • contribs) .
:Yes. You're double counting - it's been only four times.
::#The Time Lords forcibly regenerating him in The War Games.
::#The push from Cho-Je in Planet of the Spiders.
::#The falling off from the tower and the subsequent recovery in the Zero Room (Logopolis and Castrovalva).
::#The television movie.
:As I've tried to point out a few times in the edit summary, the Logopolis regeneration and the Castrovalva regeneration are the same one: he regenerated in the former story and recovered in the latter story, so it's already covered. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That does seem the most likely explanation for Jack's immortality, but I think that we can't really incorporate anything here until it's either been properly explained in the series proper, or commented on by a reliable source.  In the case of Doctor Who, reliable sources might include newspaper columnists, Doctor Who Magazine, or comments on trusted forums from writers associated with the series.  If it's just fan speculation — even if it sounds probable — we can't really include it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TARDIS assisting in regeneration

message: I don't remember which Hartnel episode (War Machines and Gunfighters come to mind) where he introduces himself as The Doctor to someone.  This person says "Doctor Who?" and Hartnell says "yes...quite right" and then goes on.   Just wondering if that should be mentioned in the Doctor Who? section of the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sabalon (talk • contribs) 16:33, August 30, 2006  (UTC)
:For the reference, I think it was The Gunfight at the OK Corral. --Jashank 06:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who? reference 

message: I'm going to revert one more time, and then leave it for others to handle. Essentially, the edits by  or  or whichever identity he's decdiding to use at the time excise a large chunk of the article, shift footnoted information, screws up the organisation that has been settled on after much months of refinement among several editors, and winds up with bad punctuation, bad formating, and quite a sizeable chunk of POV and inelegant writing. On top of that, the new picture with the various regneratons is just plain ugly, and he use of the montage in the infobox is awkward. Not to put too fine a point on it, these are not improvements to the article and in fact, damage it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Admittedly this may simply be because I wrote said paragraph, but I find the removal of just about the only chunk of "real world" information there was in the whole article rather... odd. Heaven knows I can go into too much detail on occasion, but I can't believe that we don't want a bit of non-fanwank stuff in the piece somewhere. Angmering 06:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current edit war

message: In the 7th Doctor book The Algebra of Ice, the anti-entropic "creatures" say he has little slivers of ice in his hearts, and "... little Doctor, you belong with us ...".  Could someone work out a way to factor this into the page?--Jashank 05:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it really notable? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think it is.  I mean, every hero character (e.g. Superman) has at least one scene where the baddie says there's a little bit of evil in him.  DonQuixote 20:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Doctor and evil 

message: Just to explain the rationale for my change, the movie clearly indicates in dialogue that the gunshot went right through his shoulder causing "no damage" so says a nurse. The reason why he's on the operating table is the X-rays show an abnormality in his cardiovascular system; this is why Dr. Grace Holloway, a heart specialist is called in. She states to the Seventh Doctor that she is going to examine his heart, figure out the problem "And then I'm going to fix it." The Doctor tries to tell her he isn't human (which sorta contradicts what the 8th Doctor says to her later, but anyway...) but he's put under and Grace basically commits a bit of malpractice causing the Doctor to enter cardiac arrest and die. (So actually now that I've written this the actual cause of his death is a heart attack.) This makes Grace the only companion to actually "kill" the Doctor (although Doctors 5 and 9 regenerate as a direct consequence of trying to save their companions, of course). 23skidoo 00:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seventh Doctor regeneration

message: I've been wondering if there should be a page with a title like Incarnations of the Doctor from spin-off media, detailing what little we know of the Anghelides Doctor, the Infinity Doctor, the Unbound Doctors, etc. Any thoughts? Daibhid C 18:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Doctors

message: Leaving aside the snitty accusation of vandalism, can someone explain why is this relevant or in need of a table? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctor actor's ages

message: Is this article plusgood enough for the nomination? DrWho42 09:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good article?]]