Talk:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series)/Archive 2

message: After looking at this page, I decided to look at some of the other BSG articles - to be blunt, they are in a terrible state. They seem chock full of original research and fanboy musing about this, that and the other.
--Charlesknight 19:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * 1100%? I think the >100% enthusiasm has run a bit amok! Debivort 22:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *LOLneoenoeno22wtf Ok, I'll tone it down a tad, then. My new, revised enthusiasm for BSG78 -- as opposed to BSG04 -- has been corrected, and has settled at a measly 412.4% higher setting. To clarify what this means in context; in proper King James english, it can thus be written as "OMG BSG78 liek ttlly 0WNZ BSG04". --Tirolion 06:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General comment about BSG articles 

message: move
to conform to WP naming conventions. Also, "TV series" is ambiguous, there are two BG TV series. 132.205.44.134 02:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move [[Battlestar Galactica (TV series)]] to [[Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series)]]

message: *Support. --Usgnus 02:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: There seems to be a general habit in the BSG articles to refer to the two halves of Season 2 as if they were separate seasons, and use the US DVD release scheme (2.0, 2.5). There are several reasons why this is a bad idea:
* The official scifi.com website doesn't use them for its official lists (episodes, etc.)
* This is the English Wikipedia, not the US Wikipedia. "2.0" and "2.5" are specific to certain regions (North America).
* Many shows are released on DVD in volumes that don't maintain broadcast or production groupings (or even order, in some cases). Using the DVD nomenclature is nonstandard and sets a bad and confusing precedent.
"2.0" and "2.5" may be convenient shorthand, and various people involved with the show's production may sometimes use the terms as such, but until official lists use the nomenclature, I think we're better off confining the terms to discussions of the DVDs in most cases.
-- Fru1tbat 12:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be one season, it's a US centric viewpoint that only came around because they had a longer than average mid-season break and the DVDs have been released as a US experiment based on the current European TV DVD sales tactic of splitting seasons in two and selling them as two separate box sets (the cynical amoung us would say to get the studios more money but that can't possibly be true, can it? )Ben W Bell talk 13:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season numbers 

message: What was the music used in the latest SciFi promos? It sounds like something about "say it wth me..." - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer my own question, for anyone who is interested, the song appears to be Savin' Me by Nickelback. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promo Music 

message: how did pegasus survive the cylon virus?
Answer: Pegasus was docked for a 3 month overhaul. Theoretically, it's systems were offline while docked. --LagZilla 03:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasus? 

message: it seems like the time units in the 2004 series is not well thought. in one of the episodes i had seen an analog wall clock which looks the same as analog clocks in real life: it was divided to 12 units, probably hours. the reason we traditionally seperate the circle to 12 sections has its root in the earth's movements (based on 360 days/year which defined a degree. months in a year:12, hours in a day:24 both divide 360 which makes this system practical). isn't this a contradiction or does anyone has a reasonable explanation for this such as their civilization's roots come from earth or something? 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.108.142.127 (talk • contribs) 
:Your question can only be answered by debatable fan speculation because the show, being space opera like Firefly and Star Wars, really never gets into the technical details behind anything (unlike other shows like Star Trek and Stargate SG-1). BSG focuses on story - and the fact that Glen A. Larson, Joss Whedon and George Lucas know jack about physics, science and astronomy, so you have to maintain the suspension of disbelief. 
:From a fan point-of-view I can only speculate that Caprica seems to have been the main world of the Twelve Colonies - the President resided there and the Battlestar Galactica was based there. Most of the main characters are from there as well (Giaus Baltar, Admiral Adama, Lee, and Starbuck). Therefore the 24-hour time standard was probably based on Caprica's rotation and months-years on it's orbit. According to the Battlestar Galactica video game which is based on the original show all the colony worlds are in one star system. If so - I think Caprica was probably the most populated and the most like Earth - while all the other colonies were terraformed or possibly colonies built on massive stations, orbital cities or whatever. Since we only have seen Caprica so far in the new show we'll never know unless they somehow go back to another colony world. Having all the colonies in one system would also explain why many human ships didn't have FTL drives. There were many interplanetary ships. But this is all my guess. Cyberia23 20:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moreover, any rotational period could be divided into 24 intervals, and those intervals labelled "hours". Mars could have 24 hours in a day, but they would be 1.04 times longer than earth hours. Since we have never seen a BSG episode run in real-time, we cannot even evaluate how long a BSG hour is. Debivort 22:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  time units:  a mistake or an allusion? 

message: Let's move the discussion here, away from edit summaries. Personally, I feel like this list was starting to read too much like an summary of episodes. Do we really think there should be 13 described "main story arcs" for the 6 episodes of season 3 we've seen so far? Season 2 had 20 episodes, and 14 plot arcs (proportionally maybe there should be 42!). I think a reasonable criterion would be whether a topic has recurred in more than one episode - how do we know if Baltar's humanity is a main arc of the season? He only questioned in in the most recent episode. Thoughts? Debivort 07:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree completely! I started to trim it down at one point, but it bloated right back up again. The "recurred in more than one episode" criterion is a good place to start, but some judgment still has to be used. There are a lot of minor arcs that aren't worth mentioning here. The question-type entries don't really belong at all, I don't think. They could probably be reworded to fit better, if they meet the other criteria. -- Fru1tbat 12:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think occuring in two or more episodes should be a necessity for inclusion, not a sufficiency! Hard to codify other strict criteria, but if consensus is consistent with our inclination, I think it won't be hard to come to a reasonable, shorter list. Comments from other people? Debivort 18:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  season 3 main story arcs 

message: Yeah, yeah... "what controversy section" right? That's the problem. There is some. There are, believe it or not, despite Hatch's 'conversion' (or bribe perhaps), a lot of us who don't like ths new un-imagining.
Like with things like the Star Wars special editions and prequels, there should be some section on the fact that... There Are Those Who Believe... that this new series sucks bigtime.67.169.63.116 05:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the problem with that is that your such a tiny minority, no one gives a shit —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.191.142.40 (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a big problem getting into this at all.  It's synopsis and the main part of it is something VERY appealing to me as a sci fi junkie / geek, but the whole cut-scene to that guy and his imagined girlfriend and flashbacks and forwards and upwards and downwards revolving around him just doesn't seem to continue the flow of the film and leads to me flicking fast forwards to retain respect for the show.  211.30.75.123 23:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section  

message: Is listing the current specific ranks for each character necessary? It seems to me that their names and call signs should be enough. The rank issue makes it more complicated, what with various characters constantly changing ranks (Lee Adama goes from Captain to Major to Commander and back to Major again). Wouldn't ranks be better suited in the characters' individual pages and descriptions? Also, the ranks could be considered unmarked spoilers. Monsieurxander 16:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Handling changes during the show's run is a problem that needs to be dealt with on a larger scale. There are spoiler issues, WP:WAF issues, clutter issues, just to name a few... Taking changing ranks out of the list is a great start, but be prepared to spend a lot of time removing it after it's inevitably repeatedly added back. -- Fru1tbat 16:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranks

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: What are the criteria for inclusion into the Regular Cast template? That they appear in the opening credits? 
I think that for Season 3, Number 3 should be included into the Regular Cast template, because she is just so prominent. 132.205.93.19 04:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regular Cast template 

message: We need to proseify this from bulleted list:
=== Season 1 (2004-2005) ===
Following the Cylons' genocidal attack on the 12 colonies, the surviving colonials flee through space in hope of escaping their attackers and finding a new home. Ongoing storylines in Season 1 include: 
* Helo's struggle to stay alive on Cylon-occupied Caprica and his unwitting involvement in a Cylon plan that employs a copy of Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii.
* The juxtaposition of military and government forces as the assumed leaders and decision-makers for the only surviving members of the human race; most chiefly represented by the mercurial collaboration between President Roslin and Commander Adama.
* The struggle to provide ample resources for the remaining ships and their inhabitants.
* The suspicion of humanoid Cylons hidden within the fleet. Some of these infiltrators have been programmed to believe they are human, and are unaware of the unstoppable Cylon mission they are designed to perform.
* Boomer, the copy of Sharon Valerii on Galactica, spends the season trying to reconcile the increasing amount of evidence that she is one of these "sleeper" agents. 
* The accidental discovery of the planet Kobol, which, according to Pythian Scripture, is the birthplace of humanity and holds the key to finding Earth; however, it is also occupied by Cylons.
* Adama asks Baltar to build a "Cylon Detector," but this process is hampered by Baltar's persistent hallucinations of Number Six and her insistence that God has a plan for him, as well as his fear of being unmasked as the traitor whose actions allowed the Cylons to execute their attack on the 12 Colonies. 
* The question of the elusive "plan" that the Cylons have and the reason behind their hateful fascination with humanity, which may have something to do with the destiny as foretold by the "one true God" they believe in (the religious Colonials are polytheistic).
=== Season 2 (2005-2006) ===
Moore has stated that in the second season, he wanted to resolve the many cliffhangers from the first, while examining the Cylons and the religious themes already introduced in more detail.
The second season's main story arcs include:
* Commander Adama's recovery from Boomer's assassination attempt.
* The Kobol landing party's struggle for survival and subsequent rescue.
* Starbuck's mission to Caprica to retrieve The Arrow of Apollo, which Roslin requires to complete her role as the prophesied "dying leader who will lead her people to Earth." 
* The escape from Caprica of Starbuck, Helo and one Caprican copy of Sharon.
* Deposed president Laura Roslin's escape from imprisonment and expedition to Kobol, in search of the way to Earth.
* The progression of Roslin's cancer and her eventual recovery.
* The discovery of a group of humans on Caprica who have survived the Cylon attacks and maintain a resistance against their presence on the planet.
* Reconciliation between Adama and the fugitive Roslin and Apollo, and eventually the fleet as a whole, after Adama reunites with the fugitives on Kobol and shares their discovery of the prophesied "map" to Earth. 
* The discovery of perhaps the only other surviving Battlestar, Pegasus, under the command of Admiral Helena Cain, and subsequent conflicts between Cain and Adama.
* The birth of Sharon Agathon's baby.
* The use of propaganda to further one's cause.
* Prisoner abuse and the implications of being a Cylon in human captivity.
* The campaign for the Presidency of the Twelve Colonies.
* The discovery of and settlement on New Caprica.
=== Season 3 (2006-2007) ===
The third season of Battlestar Galactica premiered in the U.S. on October 6, 2006. 
Main story arcs in the third season include:
* President Baltar's personal decline as he tries to balance his desire to protect the human population against the fear that he will be killed by the Cylons if he is too assertive.
* The resistance formed on New Caprica by the colonists to fight against the Cylon occupation.
* Cylon attempts to manipulate Starbuck using a daughter they claim was derived from her ovaries (harvested during her captive hospitalization on Caprica).  
* Ellen Tigh's cooperation with the Cylons and betrayal of the resistance.
* Galactica's coordination of a rescue plan after contact from the resistance.
* The Cylons' discovery and acquisition of the human-cylon baby Hera, born to Sharon in season two.
* Successful rescue of human race from New Caprica.
* The ultimate fate of the Battlestar Pegasus.
* Retaliation against those humans who cooperated with the Cylons during the occupation of New Caprica.
* Saul Tigh's emotional struggle to come to terms with his killing of his wife Ellen for treason.
* The Cylons are now also searching for Earth.
* A mysterious disease, borne on a space capsule (possibly left behind by the 13th tribe), that is proving deadly to the Cylons and their technology.
* There are twelve humanoid Cylon models, but only seven have been seen.  Where are the other five?  
* Is Baltar a Cylon?
* Is President Roslin a Cylon?
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Matthew Fenton (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  paste bin 

message: The third season of Battlestar Galactica premiered in the U.S. on October 6, 2006. 
Main story arcs in the third season include:
* President Baltar's personal decline as he tries to balance his desire to protect the human population against the fear that he will be killed by the Cylons if he is too assertive.
* The resistance formed on New Caprica by the colonists to fight against the Cylon occupation.
* Cylon attempts to manipulate Starbuck using a daughter they claim was derived from her ovaries (harvested during her captive hospitalization on Caprica).  
* Ellen Tigh's cooperation with the Cylons and betrayal of the resistance.
* Galactica's coordination of a rescue plan after contact from the resistance.
* The Cylons' discovery and acquisition of the human-cylon baby Hera, born to Sharon in season two.
* Successful rescue of human race from New Caprica.
* The ultimate fate of the Battlestar Pegasus.
* Retaliation against those humans who cooperated with the Cylons during the occupation of New Caprica.
* Saul Tigh's emotional struggle to come to terms with his killing of his wife Ellen for treason.
* The Cylons are now also searching for Earth.
* A mysterious disease, borne on a space capsule (possibly left behind by the 13th tribe), that is proving deadly to the Cylons and their technology.
* There are twelve humanoid Cylon models, but only seven have been seen.  Where are the other five?  
* Is Baltar a Cylon?
* Is President Roslin a Cylon?
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Matthew Fenton (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 (2006-2007) 

message: The article lists the dates in which BSG season 3 premiered in the US and the UK. Does anyone know the dates that BSG season 3 will premier in other nations? I for one would like to know when it's coming out in Australia.--Just James 04:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Release dates for other nations

message: The last episode of BSG made reference that there were at least 300 marines in the fleet.  It was mentioned that 100 got sick from hunger and another 200 are about to.  Can someone update the article to reflect this.  The section of "Military Rank Structure"  says there aren't many Marines in the fleet, but this was probably written before the Pegasus was introduced. REscano 10:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Marines

message: No time to get into the debate right now (busy day), but here's an interesting link from Playback magazine. Cheers. --Ckatzchatspy 17:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the same article on a different site, without the password requirement, at galacticabbs.com. That was the next reference I was going to add to the page, when it got protected. But hey, why waste time with facts when we can spend it more productively on an epistemological discussion about whether it is possible to actually know anything... Avt tor 18:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Canada controversy