Talk:Education in Scotland

message: This article has the potential to grow into a great article. We could mention (at least briefly) issues such as:
 
* Curriculum and it's evolution (e.g. 5-14, A Curriculum for Excellence).
* Assessment and how it is monitored and deployed at a national (as well as a school) level. This could include Assessment is for Learning (AifL).
* The recent ASL act.
MP   (talk) 10:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, this article needs expansion on all of the above. --Bob 21:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement of article 

message: I think the school years table needs a little amendment as the start ages seem out by a year.  For example pupils start secondary school in Scotland (in S1) at the age of 12 and are usually 13 when they finish the year. Pupils also start S6 at the age of 17 and leave at the age of 18.  Earlier years should be adjusted accordingly.  Maybe some confusion has crept in because some pupils take their Highers in S5 (and maybe even S4).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbillcliff (talk • contribs) 11:32, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I had originally put them in as you have entered them.  I think it is difficult to directly compare the two systems for school years and either way is going to make it imperfect.  Works for me, but yes we need to find a source or citation. Davidkinnen 12:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: But there _are_ fourteen years in the English and Welsh System:  3 at infants or Key Stage 1 (years R, 1 and 2) (Note: reception is not the same as nursery - nursery is pre-reception.  Children go into year R during the year they become 5, and are at least 4 and a half (they start in the term preceeding their 5th birthday typically) - which seems to correspond to the description in the article of Primary 1); 4 years at juniors or Key Stage 2 (years 3 to 6); and 7 years at secondary (years 7 to 13) of which the last two are not compulsory, and which students who take an extra year finish at age 19).  I always thought the Scottish system finished a year younger than England and Wales anyway, because Scottish students qualify for University a year younger. 90.213.139.19 (talk) 09:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

text: No, Reception class is not another word for nursery school. 90.213.139.19 (talk) 09:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It's over a month later, and no one has commented, so I've been BOLD and changed it.  I can't see any other way to map 14 years to 13, even though the same ages are covered, especially given the ages being in the table (no 16 year old for example would be in year 13, so as it stood before it was misleading) 90.213.139.19 (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: School Years Table

message: Queen Margaret is not in Edinburgh (as the list shows), but in East Lothian.  I seem to see this a lot on wikipedia.  It can be described as being "near Edinburgh", but the campus is in East Lothian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.181.180 (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: QMU

message: I appreciate that that section was far too long for this main article, and therefore needing splitting out into its own article. However it is standard Wikipedia in-house style to leave a brief summary of the topic in the main article! Not simply a bare link to the new article. For examples, please see the subsection format of any FA articles (eg, Belgium). --Mais oui! (talk) 07:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An editor has now removed about two thirds of the History article in one edit. Please see: Talk:History of education in Scotland. --Mais oui! (talk) 03:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of education in Scotland 

message: I note that Qualification exam is a redlink. Should we start a stub on it, and redirect Qually to the new stub?
Eg. please see:
*It comes after speculation of a return to the old Qualification exam - or "qually" - in Scotland., BBC 8 Jan 09
--Mais oui! (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Qualification exam]] 

message: This article really should have at least a couple of sentences on Gaelic, with integrated links to Gaelic medium education in Scotland (just having that in the see also section is not enough) and similar, and info on Gaelic as a second language at school. --Doric Loon (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaelic 

message: I am surprised to note that there is virtually no mention of the actual content of Scottish primary education. Just a lot of stuff about ages. We really ought to have a go at creating a proper, referenced section regarding primary education. --Mais oui! (talk) 03:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish primary pupils to be taught two foreign languages 

message: Why is Robert Gordon's in the "Secondary school naming" list? The list states that these are state schools, but RG (as its own page says) is private. I guess somebody thought that it's of interest to mention the places named College, but then we'd need to change the numbers anyway and include others like George Watson's in Edinburgh; or be clear that the list included independent schools. Or am I missing something about RG's status? – Kieran T (talk) 11:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing private and state?

message: As the article is about formal "education" and primarily about schooling I suggest the title should be changed to "Formal Education in Scotland" with a similar approach taken for other regional articles. Education is a lifelong and unrestricted process that formal "education" systems are only a small part of (and some would argue are counter to lifelong educational goals), therefore restricting the word "education" to that which operates under a formal system is incorrect.
--Farnishk (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Which regional articles are you thinking of that do this. I note that there are articles for Education in England, Education in Wales and Education in France.--SabreBD (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "Education" but "formal Education" 

message: There is a strange tone in the lead to this article, almost like advertising - others have an opinion? - Sara FB (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Which bit is the problem?--SabreBD (talk) 08:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see that there is any strange tone or indeed that any bias is prevalent in the lead for this article. It appears factual and balanced. It also seems to reasonably summarise some of the key points of the article. The Scottish educational system has remained separate from the education systems in the other countries of the UK and the article lead seems to be able to represent some of the elements of what is distinctive about the Scottish system. The article lead also currently manages to steer clear of mentioning more controversial distinctive elements, such as the notable policy differences around University tuition fees that exist between Scotland and other parts of the UK. If I were to pick a fault with the lead, I would highlight that the lead (and the article as a whole) is lagging behind a bit in terms of its coverage of the recent resurgence in gaelic-medium education, which is another fairly unique element. Drchriswilliams (talk) 03:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias in tone 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: There are 15 universities with the power to award degrees. The mention of three colleges is technically incorrect. They can prefer candidate for a degree, which are then awarded by an approved university. Reference 49 would be better using the listed bodies legislation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2018/7/introduction/made 2A0C:B381:59A:EE00:9891:78D4:C18F:B399 (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Education section  

message: The photo described as "Scottish school children during a classroom lesson", is actually of an event at Glasgow Science Centre, so neither a lesson nor in a classroom: Education_in_Scotland#Access_to_education
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RAF_100_YOUTH_PROGRAMME_TAKES-OFF_IN_SCOTLAND_MOD_45162978.jpg
It's a nice photo (of children colouring in military hardware) but I wonder if we could get a photo of an actual class? 2A0C:B381:5A8:B00:EC3F:10C5:C6AF:7A19 (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "classroom lesson" photo ...isn't.