Talk:The Three Caballeros

message: The penguin,at least in the spanish version is named "Polo" (Pole)
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Anything about this film being little more than a travel video for Latin America?  It basically depicted a Banana republic.  Don't get me wrong, I've loved it since childhood, but it rivals Song of the South in its rather patronizing and backwards portrayals of non-white ethnicities.  129.12.228.161 22:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Does anyone know, if the songs in the movie are considered as "original songs" or at least rewritten for this movie? Considering Leonard Martins The Disney Films, the songs are "original" material, but some other sources say, that only "Baia" was written for it, and the other songs (mainly frm Ary Barroso) were already released before the production of this film. 
What's true?--80.138.104.83 (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Songs? 

message: Should we mention that the title means one of those above in English. BTW I'm a pretty sure it's The Three Men. 174.16.80.109 (talk) 00:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Three Men/The Three Cowboys 

message: It is my understanding that the title song in this film took its melody from an already existing Mexican song called "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!", written by Manuel Esperon and Ernesto Cortazar. Manuel Esperon's Wikipedia page says that he wrote the song for a 1960 film called "De tal palo tal astilla", but this can't be true as I'm pretty sure "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!" was written before "The Three Caballeros". I found out that Manuel Esperon wrote the music for a 1941 film called "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!", so it seems likely that he wrote the song for that film, but I don't know for sure what songs do appear in that film and even if I did know for sure that the song "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!" appeared in the film of the same name, that does not necessarily mean that it was written for that film. Does anyone know the history of this song?--Jpcase (talk) 23:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have made the following comment a long time ago, but never got around to it. After discussing the matter with the editor who wrote that "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!" was written for "De tal palo tal astilla", I have found out that the song was not in fact written originally for that film, though it is featured in the film. I have also found out that "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!" is indeed featured in the 1941 film of the same name (here is a link to the clip) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrZZlbtjRfQ&feature=relmfu - I still don't know for a fact that the song was originally written for that film, but it seems highly likely. If anybody could confirm this 100% though, please do!--Jpcase (talk) 17:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ay Jalisco no te rajes! 

message: Does anybody know what language the song "Os Quindins de Yaya" is sung in? It is the song sung by Aurora Miranda when Donald and Jose go to Bahia. I would think that it would have been sung in Portugese, as that is the main language of Brasil, but IMDB says here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038166/soundtrack - that it is sung in Spanish. I'm pretty sure that IMDB simply made a mistake, but as I cannot understand Spanish or Portugese I would like some confirmation. Could someone please tell me what language the song is in?--Jpcase (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this page - http://latinbaby.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/olanguages/#comments - the song is in Portuguese, so unless anybody who speaks Spanish or Portuguese believes otherwise, that's what I'm going with.(I actually found this page and included info about the song being in Portuguese in this article a while ago, but decided that I should mention it here)--Jpcase (talk) 17:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for weighing in! Yeah, I realized a long time ago it must be in Portuguese; IMDB clearly made a mistake. Asking this question was among the very first things I ever did on Wikipedia, so it's quite a blast-from-the-past to see someone respond, haha. --Jpcase (talk) 14:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What language is "Os Quindins de Yaya" sung in? 

message: I have found conflicting information on the authorship of the song "Jesusita en Chihuahau" (Also known as "The Cactus Polka"), which is played towards the end of the film while the cacti are dancing. Some IMDB pages (Including the page for "The Three Caballeros") attribute it to Manuel Esperon and Ernesto Cortazar, however others attribute it to Quirino Mendoza y Cortes. After extensive internet searching on the authorship of the song, I have found that an immense majority of sources state that the song was written by Quirino Mendoza y Cortes, during the Mexican Revolution. These are the only two sources I could find aside from IMDB, that attributed the song to Manuel Esperon:
:http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/Manuel_Esperon_99_composed_Three_Caballeros_P111748/ (Does not mention Ernesto Cortazar)
:http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=1&Movie=722 (States that the song was written by both Esperon and Cortazar)
In addition to the lack of sources, it seems almost definite that the song was indeed written during the Mexican Revolution which lasted from 1910 to 1920. Manuel Esperon was born in 1911, which means that he could have been no older than 9 years old when the song was written. 
I could find two sources attributing the song solely to Ernesto Cortazar (http://music.aol.ca/song/101-strings-orchestra/jesusita-en-chihuahua/808987) (http://music.aol.com/song/101-strings-orchestra/jesusita-en-chihuahua/2594171), one source attributing the song to Ernesto Cortazar and Quirino Mendoza y Cortez (http://music.aol.com/song/silvestre-vargas/jesusita-en-chihuahua/11390026), as well as the source above which attributes it to both Cortazar and Esperon. Cortazar was born in 1897, which means he could have been 23 at the oldest when the song was written, though most sources date the song to 1916, which would have made him only 19. I know that Ernesto Cortazar was a lyricist, though I do not know whether he was exclusively so or if he also wrote the melody of songs. Almost all versions of "Jesusita en Chihuahua" are purely instrumental which means that if Cortazar only wrote lyrics he could not have written the song. It is possible however, that he wrote lyrics to the piece at some point after is initial release. I have only found one version with lyrics though (featured in the film "Love Laughs at Andy Hardy") and I do not believe that Cortazar wrote that version.
I have also found two sources which say that the piece is traditional. 
:http://www.cockmanfamily.com/john/jesse_polka/jesse_polka.pdf
:http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Jesusita-en-Chihuahua/3776
Though I am not sure, this may simply be due to the fact that all of Quirino Mendoza y Cortez's songs are in the public domain, as there was no copyright law in Mexico when he wrote them.
One further complication is that according to the poster on this site (http://forodeespanol.com/Archive/LetraJesusitaChihuahua/dbrqr/post.htm), some sources state that the song was written by Martin Robles in 1895 under the title "Virginia". I have only been able to find one source saying this, seen here - (http://books.google.com/books?id=nbCZdCO5Y9QC&pg=PA327&lpg=PA327&dq=Jesusita+en+Chihuahua+Martin+Robles&safe=strict&source=bl&ots=3WGmR7J8id&sig=JD-Xdt32j6EjBeO6EJF3Q2U5gCg&hl=en&ei=YbfPTuaWA4n30gHR2oU6&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Jesusita%20en%20Chihuahua%20Martin%20Robles&f=false)
Does anybody have firm proof of who actually wrote this song?--Jpcase (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesusita en Chihuahua 

message: An editor,  - continues to make additions to the article, ignoring the WP:CRYSTAL guideline.  In addition, the additions are unreferenced.  Onel5969 (talk) 13:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:CRYSTAL additions 

message: Does anyone know which of the birds in the movie are fictional, if any?  Not being an ornithologist, they seem to all be capable of being real, or at least based on real birds.  I've done a Wikipedia search for them but not being sure of spelling I wasn't able to find anything for certain.  If they are real, they should be listed and linked to their Wikipedia articles if those exist.  The following is a list of birds from the movie (spelling is a guess):
:Anabepreto: real or fictional? (said to be a bird of Colombia and Venezuela with "bagpipes" which I take to mean a large lung capacity)
:Arapapa: real or fictional? (said to be a bird of Paraguay with a large "pompidour"-like crest)
:La Tierita (the Scissors Bird): real or fictional? (shown to be a bird like a swallow with a very long tail)
:Arapasu: real or fictional? (shown to be a bird with a large, thin curved beak)
:Toucan: obviously real
:Aracuan: real or fictional? (said to an "eccentric" bird with a very unusual call, a bit like a Disney version of Woody Woodpecker)
:Marequito: real or fictional? (said to a small bird that builds a haphazard looking nest but which is actually very structurally sound)
:Flamingo: obviously real
:Ornero: real or fictional? (from The Gauchito, said to be a bird that builds a nest shaped like an oven (orno))
70.31.48.55 (talk) 18:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birds - Fact and Fiction 

message: There are a few issues I have, primarily geographic, with the setting of The Gauchito.  I understand that the Spanish version sets the story in Argentina while the English version places it in Uruguay.  More correctly, the gaucho/narrator is said by the primary narrator to be "an old gaucho from Uruguay."  It's a bit ambiguous whether the gaucho is most recently from Uruguay but grew up somewhere else or whether the story takes place in Uruguay itself, though I think the latter is the stronger implication.  Here are some of the geographic issues with the story:
:The gaucho says that he went out hunting for "condor birds", which I assume he means the Andean condor.  This bird only inhabits the Andean mountains far to the west of Uruguay.
:Even if accepted that the Andean condor may have had a range capable of reaching Uruguay, or perhaps a stray condor made its way there, the gaucho says he went "high up in the mountains.  Uruguay is virtually flat and basically is all Pampas plain or rolling hills.  The highest peak is the Cerro Catedral at 513-4m (1 683-6') AMSL and according to the "Geography of Uruguay" Wikipedia article, "...hilly areas are remarkably featureless, however, and elevations seldom exceed 200 meters [656']."  There simply aren't any mountains high enough in Uruguay as described by the gaucho and shown in the film.
:Confusingly, the gaucho said he was off to hunt ostriches which are not native to South America, but Africa.
It seems that Disney was either confused when they did this story or they figured Americans probably wouldn't know or care about these things. 70.31.48.55 (talk) 19:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with "The Gauchito" 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: I removed information about the dub actors for the foreign language versions of this film here and again here as information about dub actors belongs in the articles about this film in those language wikis and it is basically irrelevant trivia for this article what happens in the foreign dubs. A section of the article about the foreign language dub process may be appropriate if sourced but transient details without context add no value to this article. I disagree with the edit summary statement that undid my original edit of "Voice actors from foreign versions are usually non notable in the English wiki, but this is clearly an exception since it is important to point out how Nash, Oliveira and Garay voiced their characters in multiple languages" as I don't see any clear exception to the general statement that "Voice actors from foreign versions are usually non notable in the English wiki" that justifies adding that information. That three of the actors also dubbed some foreign versions is information about the actors themselves, not information about this film. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is interesting information that is relevant to the film; it's not just relevant to the actors. It should be included in the article, but I agree that it should only be included in the "Production" section (or possibly in a "Distribution" section) with references. It doesn't need to be added to the "Cast" section. I'd be very surprised if there aren't several sources out there that discuss this film's dubbing process. I'm not going to take this on myself, but if anyone wants to do so, adding sourced information about the principle actors dubbing their roles for foreign releases of the film would make for a good improvement to this article. --Jpcase (talk) 20:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign language dub actors 

message: In this 2017 edit, an anonymous IP account edited this article to say that the song "Babalú" is used in The Three Caballeros. Does anyone know for sure whether or not this is accurate? I built the Soundtrack section of this article myself, about a decade ago, and never came across any information about "Babalú" being used in the film. It's certainly possible that I may have missed a track or two while I was compiling the soundtrack information. But it would be good to confirm whether or not "Babalú" is actually used in the film. 
If the information about "Babalú" appearing in The Three Caballeros is accurate, can someone identify which scene of the film contains the song? Thanks! --Jpcase (talk) 15:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babalú