Talk:Pope Celestine V

message: You say Benedict XVI, so what does this imply about Gregory XII (who became Pope under the condition that he would resign if that could end the Western Schism)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B103:1DCC:E933:7F48:26EB:B0AC (talk) 10:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Next Pope to resign on own accord?

message: There seems to be some disagreement as to Celestine's birth year.  Some have it as 1215, others as 1221, and the Catholic Church has it at 1209.  I'm going with 1209 for now, but I would like to see some documentation of that from non-church sources if possible.--Kurtkoeh (talk) 11:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Year 

message: “Many early commentators thought that [Dante] stigmatized Celestine V. Most later commentators, however, refute such an identification.” An overstatement. Many commentators, early and late, have thought it likely.  Some are uncertain, others reject it.  But it does have a long tradition behind it and finds a lot of support in the present (e.g. Hollander, Barbara Reynolds, Simonelli, Padoan and many others).  In 1986 Pompeo Giannantonio wrote: “All'identificazione con Celestino V ha aderito la maggioranza degli studiosi." Wikipedia ought to say this Ettormo (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dante and Celestine V 

message: Is there a RS calling him (or popes in general) monarchs? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Monarchs category

message: A great deal of this entry comes directly from Encyclopedia Britannica. A quick Google search turns up a result at 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HKgMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=celestine+v+infected+air&source=bl&ots=pdwm1WRgHB&sig=uucTxm5tQ7cH0qaFo0HUcwf7ELM&hl=en&ei=DeaPTpm6CMjv0gGxnfAY&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=celestine%20v%20infected%20air&f=false
That edition of EB is probably out of copyright, but it needs to be cited nonetheless.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maskaggs (talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source material 

message: Is this appropriate terminology? Over on the papal resignation article, it is specifically stated that it is NEVER referred to as abdication by the church. Similarly, the hotlink should possibly point to the resignation article. Thoughts? Infojunkie23 (talk) 11:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ″Abdicated″

message: The source cited in the papacy section (a Washington Post article) says that Celestine issued the canon for resignation after five months in office. The lead, citing the History channel says it was one of his first decrees. I have tried to remove the latter claim and restore earlier text and this has been reverted twice. Well, they can't both be true. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 09:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an easy solution to this, name the source that contradicts them and cite them both as a contradiction in reporting and who is saying what. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

text: He only issued a handful of decrees. Depending where you draw the line for "one of" the first, his last could reasonably also be one of his first. Sometimes things are both the very first and very last, not either. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He issued a lot of decrees, most of them bad. That was the problem. Boniface VIII only recognized a few of them. It doesn't make much sense that he would issue a canon of resignation, then talk to Boniface about whether it was possible for him to resign. I don't consider this a matter of POV, but rather of relying on a source (the History channel) whose main objective is grabbing an audience and has done some controversial things to that end. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 22:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll admit, I was just counting the ones mentioned in this article. I figure if there are seven or more, the last one shouldn't reasonably count as one of the first. I don't see it in the article, so I guess that's fixed. But yeah, History (and its sisters) should always be taken with a grain of salt. It's not all BS, but mainly for amusement. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I just made an edit in an attempt to clarify this controversy. I didn't realize there was an ongoing discussion on the talk page until after I had already made the edit. I don't wish to step on anyone's toes, but I do believe the The Catholic Encyclopedia is a more reliable source with respect to this particular issue than the History Channel. DiverDave (talk) 05:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction tag

message: Under sainthood on right right panel, It says that Celestine V was canonized by Pope Boniface VIII.  And, on top of that, in 1313? Didn't Pope Boniface VIII died in 1303?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.9.9 (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canonized by Pope Boniface VIII?!?!?! 

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