Talk:Halo 3/Archive 4

message: I've archived some of the older conversations, but due to the lax posting method, it's pretty disorganized. From now on, please start new topics at the bottom! I'm going to just make this easier with a link up top. David Fuchs 21:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLEASE NOTE! 

message: In the shot of the HUD you see in the Et Tu Brute video, there is a fourth grenade type... can anyone make it out? I was only aware of three grenade types, as the "Shield Grenade", if it even is in gameplay, wouldn't count as a grenade - it'd be bad gameplay because you would need to look at the ground to throw it, otherwise you'd be throwing your shield away from you. --Ras29 06:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bungie has semi-officially nixed the fourth grenade- that not to say it won't become a gameplay element somehow (x button?), but there are only three grenades in the alpha tests everyone is actually playing- that includes Frag, Plasma, and Spike. Also, no one ever confirmed it was the Shield, and some have noted that if anything, the design resembles a flashbang from the Art of Halo book.209.153.128.248 21:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ras29, it's always possible to simply make it so that the Bubble Shield is automatically thrown down at the ground regardless of the reticle's position. Asides from that, there is no confirmation of the fourth grenade type's identity (the Bubble Shield device is deployable as a grenade) so it may be best to leave it out of the article for now. If someone so much as suggests the fourth grenade type in the article, I can only imagine the wave of edits and reverts that will come from it. Amalga 02:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The HUD 

message: Added an image of the Mongoose. If it's possible to put a few spaces between it and the right column, please do so. Thx. JAF1970 18:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it was removed. Why? JAF1970 20:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No, bungie has released a picture of the mongoose on their website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infinitejpower (talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: M274 ULATV Mongoose

message: The first is still proper english, regardless of "Some respected sources", and is used throughout wikipedia. WookMuff 23:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Such a minor grammatical quibble--particularly when both disputed forms are proper English, shouldn't incite argument. If it's proper, leave it be unless it's a fundamental flaw to the article. Amalga 02:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. Apostrophe states that "If the singular possessive is difficult or awkward to pronounce with an added s sound, do not add an extra s." I really don't think it is difficult or awkward to pronounce Tartarus's, so it should be Tartarus's. WikiMan78 04:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop the back and forth editing. Both are grammatically correct, both are proper, and need to be left alone. Reserve edits for more substantial things and quit arguing about a stupid apostrophe. It has no relevance to the article whatsoever. Whether you say Tartarus' or Tartarus's, it reads exactly the same. Leave it alone. Amalga 04:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tartarus' vs Tartarus's 

message: http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=34936
Obviously some Halo 3 "game footage" has surfaced on GameTrailers.com. I've searched for it elsewhere and haven't found it yet. It looks real, but the video's too choppy and low-res to be able to tell. Also, whoever posted the video on GameTrailers had nothing to say of where the footage came from or how it was obtained. A paragraph was added to the "Release and Other Information" section of the article, but I hid it for safety's sake, seeing as it was purely fan-based info. If someone can find some information to support that this is real stuff, then disregard my thoughts and put the paragraph back up.
:It looks like it could be halo 3 because the sniper miniscreen resembled the Halo 2 version because it showed the screen, but it was tinted green, possibly updated. You can't really see much but the thing that convinced me most were the medals that popped up in the mid left near the end of the clip for a double kill and a snipe, and the blue shotgun sights. I don't think there's much point in adding it to the article though. The minor things that were seen in the video are most likely going to be changed by release anyway. Might as well wait a month or two until the beta release to add more detailed info since it'll be more accurate. Dan Guan 01:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regardless, Bungie's widespread removal of the video pretty much confirms that it was not meant to be leaked out. Members of Halo 3's fanbase--particularly those involved with organizations such as HBO and High-Impact Halo, have been able to putz around with Halo 3's alpha build for Bungie's Hump Day Challenges. Someone from that "upper community" must have taken video of the game and posted it on the net, violating a non-disclosure agreement. Hence the video shouldn't ever show up here. Amalga 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 15 Leaked Footage 

message: Why is the rubble the MC walks through a in the E3 trailer called a "building?" It seems more likely that it is a bit of space elevator, and I don't recall Bungie ever calling it a "building." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.246.130.193 (talk) 22:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A space elevator is a building. Peptuck 06:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Building? 

message: Shouldn't prophets (or at least Truth) go under enemies?
:They're not confirmed by reliable sources to be in Halo 3 yet. we all know they're going to be there, but until we get a reliable source saying they'll be in there, they're out. Peptuck 23:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prophets

message: Should it be put that this new species might be a Sharquoi?
: No. Likelihood does not equate to fact--while it may be likely that this "new" Covenant species is the omitted Sharquoi, there is just not enough evidence to support it, let alone any sign of reliable confirmation. It's purely speculation, and will be left out. Also, please sign your comments. Amalga 04:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Something larger than a Grunt"

message: I know that Bungie is not known for their generosity of game details. However, the question is still out there, will the Arbiter again be part of the main story, and be a playable charecter. It seems likley that he will make a return, since he was with Sarge, and Maranda at the end of the second game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gundam94 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is quite likely he will return, we can't add him to the list until we have a reliable source saying he is returning. Peptuck 23:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. While it seems obvious that the Arbiter will return, if not as a playable character then at least as an important NPC, without citeability its a no go... for now. WookMuff 02:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbiter? 

message: Actress Julie Benz is not voicing Miranda Keyes for Halo 3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Momo Hemo (talk • contribs) 20:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, then, you ought to actually read the source. Julie Benz herself says that she will not be part of Halo 3, those words in that order in at least two instances during the interview with TV Guide. The interview also mentions that Halo 3's Miranda Keyes will have an accent and a different voice. Please do not use Wikipedia to discuss your opinions on whether or not this is a positive development. Amalga 08:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Point in case: 
TVGuide.com: Are you all done with your voice work for the Halo 3 video game?
Benz: You know what? I am actually not a part of Halo 3. I was informed a couple of weeks ago that they are actually changing the voice of Captain Miranda Keyes, and giving her an accent. Peptuck 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This source on this statement says nothing about the statement. 

message: When I was at my local Gamestop this past weekend my freind (who works there) told me that they had just receved the offical release date of Halo 3. I saw the compnay memo (I guess you could call it that) said that the game will hit the store shelves on November 1, 2007.Gundam94 18:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a verifiable source, though. Peptuck 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Not a verifiable source. If the release date doesn't come from Bungie themselves, then it's just safer not to trust it. Amalga 22:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The fact that speculative release dates from unreliable sources were posted here was a mistake to begin with, which is why they were removed. Amalga 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please dont take my comment as how could you remove the play.com release date I was just saying that Bungie says dont take any dates over their own. :) SGAtlantis 11:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please don't take my comment as misreading yours. You made the assertion that speculative release dates were being allowed into this article, and I presented a differing viewpoint. We know enough to only take Bungie's word on the matter--not a third party. Speculative release dates have already been removed and will keep being removed if given without official confirmation. Amalga 06:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My two pence: The picture accompanying this article has a big three in a Halo-style logo and under it in big white letters it says "Fall 2007". Lol. Sorry if that came across as patronising, but it had to be pointed out. El Oscuro 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a new picture, it wasn't there when this conversation started. 70.49.132.247 22:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please sign your posts. Until bungie says so, any retailer websites are assumed to be estimations for pre-ordering purposes. WookMuff 22:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: http://cache.libsyn.com/podtacular/podtacular98.mp3 On the New Podtacular, Luke Smith from 1up talked about how the brute ghost isn't actually called the brute ghost. Durandal-217 11:22PM EST 31 January 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's called a mauler. http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=charginmalasers Note anything in italics on the page. DarthJango42 01:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation on The brute vehicle formally known as the Brute Ghost

message: On the main page of this article I see the following . . .
On January 28, 2007, Martin O'Donnell of Bungie Studios stated in an interview with David Stockli of Gamesweb, that "After our work with Halo 3, there is a possibility we will move in the direction of a multi-platform game industry. 'We aren't done yet, and we've been curious of the Playstation 3's power. If xbox 360 had as much space as the Playstation 3 the game probably wouldn't be released until late 2008. Our guys have really been working hard on Halo 3. The game has big expectations, and we've gotta meet those expectations. If we can't, then that's just unacceptable." O'Donnell also hinted future Playstation 3 games. "Our Halo games have done well, which is why we are debating on expanding our games out to other consoles such as the Playstation 3". When asked if any Halo games would be ported to the Playstation 3 in the future, O'Donnell stated that for now "they remain xbox and xbox 360 exclusive". [50]
The reference that it cites is the announcement of the beta test and I think we all know that with Bungie being a totally owned subsidiary of Microsoft, this ain't happening.  I tried to delete it but for the life of me I can't find it on the page.  If someone else could do the honour it would be appreciated.
:It was vandalism. I'd already disposed of it when you started trying to edit it. Peptuck 01:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ???=

message: Under the ESPN TV advertisement, the article states:
On December 4, 2006, a 60-second CGI commercial for Halo 3 was aired on ESPN, followed by a release on Xbox.com and Xbox LIVE. The advertisement does not contain any gameplay footage, and was created entirely by Digital Domain, using a mix of live action (for the two children) and animation
The children look real, but are they truly "live action?"  This site indicates that the children are CGI models.
Regards, Mentat Tir 13:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they are. The opening scene (with the children) was filmed on a live set. They simply altered the lighting and filters so the transition to CGI wouldn't be as jarring. There is a Bungie Weekly Update that states this, if you look into "Older Stories" on the Bungie.net website. Amalga 14:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live action? 

message: This is rather unimportant, but Grunts is listed twice in the known enemies column. Rmsuperstar99 06:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are two types of Grunts? 

message: The Mauler is being listed on B.Net as being specifically Covenant in origin, but the 'Chopper' isn't; it's just listed as being 'enemy'. Now this could be a human enemy or not, but going with the Covenant and the naming of the vehicles, I'm willing to bet that the Chopper isn't alien.
:I'm not aware of any factions within humanity they might be fighting, let alone one with enough resources to field a chopper. It's also highly unlike it was merely a "test" as it clearly states that the pilot was also incinerated.
:Matoushin 18:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mauler & Chopper

message: There's a tag at the top of the page saying that there needs to be a consistent citations system for the page... but it seems relatively systematic to me... maybe I'm just missing something. Whoever put it there should at least give some examples. Dan Guan 23:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it up there when the references links were in the references section but mostly looked like: , , etc. and there were several duplicates. I've since went though and cleaned them up and changed them all to url links, but it's still a bit sloppy. -th1rt3en 23:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If I remember, they mentioned it when they announcement trailer came out, noting that Kilimanjaro could be seen in the background. Not sure though. -th1rt3en 00:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They mentioned that "There's more snow on Kilimanjaro in the E3 trailer than there is in real life".--ABVS 23:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: I've been looking over the Release and Other Information section and noticed that a majority of the information there consisted of speculated release dates (all of which only serve to lengthen the article). Would it be too much to suggest removing these speculated dates and simply state that Bungie has not disclosed a target date yet? I would have done so myself  but I wanted to make sure it was okay. Amalga 23:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be all for it. Make sure to include a note that speculative dates have been removed for brevity's sake.  Peptuck 23:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release and Other Information 

message: I didn't see the link for the video.  I found it onn bungie.net here . Can someone put it in the article?--71.170.41.7 18:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Et tu brute video link 

message: Is the ability to change gravity confirmed to be in the final game, or is it just something they are able to do with the alpha builds? -th1rt3en 00:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bungie mentioned in the EGM Halo 3 blowout that gravity will be one of several customizable variables in multi-player matches. I don't know if they actually set that in stone, but if they're still using it for alpha builds, it's likely that it will be implemented. Amalga 04:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It is only being used in the testing of the many customizable options in multiplayer. It has not been confirmed for the final build. Os00na707 21:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gravity clarify 

message: I've rewritten a lot of the stuff and reorganised it into a new form. The page was previously a mish-mash of information. It had descriptions of trailers, dot points of various items that had been revealed, all of which made it hard to actually find out what you likely want to know if you're coming to this page: What's Halo 3 going to be like? So I have gathered all the information that's relevant to various facets of the game (Graphics, Audio, Plot, Gameplay and Multiplayer in the initial edit) and put it right up the top of the article where it will be easily read. I have deleted nothing; the more detailed descriptions are still available further into the article. This page is likely to see quite a bit of traffic as the marketing campaign gears up and I think the new layout will be more useful for both your average punter and your hardcore Halo fan. ABVS 00:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite and reorganise

message: It had *The Chief Sprinting.
As of now this is not confirmed, moreover there is no distinction between running and sprinting in the ad. If you were to mention his little run then you might as well say they are going to have his side-step dodge and air jump kick in the game also.
Speculation does not equal fact.
Laughtrey 00:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no speculation about it, it was a direct observation. The speed at which chief was running has never before been shown, either in cutscenes of Halo 1 or 2, or in any trailer for Halos 1-3 preceding this one. We know from the novels that Master Chief is capable of sprinting at over 100kph for short bursts. It is not yet confirmed as a gameplay element, but then neither is the Bubble Shield. It's just something superbadass that they showed for the first time in this advertisement.ABVS 11:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The ad in question does not represent actual gameplay. Bungie explicitly stated as much. Therefore, in writing a textual description of the contents of the ad, I see no problem in using to word "sprinting". Because some dolt might take the ad as fuel for gameplay speculation--despite an official warning against doing so--explanations of the ad's content should not be needlessly modified. It is simply an accurate description of what occurs. --The Berzerk Dragon 07:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I remember correctly, Bungie clearly said that it was actually supposed to represent gameplay. In the week that Frankie announced it, he said it would have "gameplay elements" and a wbout a week ago I remember reading somewhere that it was supposed to represent gameplay in every way (except of course the kids and the MC waking up). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.228.121.50 (talk) 05:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Listening to a podcast from one of the reference links they clearly say its just a teaser and is not to be takin as gameplay at all. Reference link 47 --- FuzionZero 17:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed sprinting from the list on the Halo 3 advert. 

message: The new B button command could be for the shield, it may not be classed as a grenade. Then again, it's only a thought people. 
Lawnmowers Rock! 11:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, bungie were quite specific that the Action Button (what used to be X - used for get into vehicle, open door, pick up weapon etc) will become RB. It was mentioned that the context sensetive alternate use for B would be "something cool", but they were not specific about it. Wait for the Beta (as if everyone doesnt already have their copy of Crackdown). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeti Hunter (talk • contribs) 11:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: RB would be pick up weapon now for the right hand, making it easier than before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laughtrey (talk • contribs) 05:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  B Button possible command 

message: I suppose you guys editing this article know the Halo series so I'd appreciate it if one of you could look at Guardians and fix up the disambiguation that has to do with Halo as I have no idea what it's referring to. Thanks, Yonatan (contribs/talk) 22:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Guardians" refers to multiplayer matches, where a player is killed via odd means (e.g. a crate falling down from above crushing them, or a wierd level glitch killing the player) Normally, when the player dies, a message such as "You were killed by (Player X)" or "You committed suicide" appears. When one of the "wierd" deaths happens, the player instead gets a message saying "You were killed by the Guardians". essentially, its the game saying that you were killed by some means other than suicide or enemy players. Peptuck 05:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There is also a way to summon a guardian. It is very hard to do and only one person can see him. He runs around and kills people, except the person that can see him. You have to try to summon him though. Superbowlbound 13:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're going to try to propagate lies, do it on a poorly-moderated message board where trolls like you are welcome--not an online encyclopaedia. Search the Internet. There is no visual evidence of anyone ever encountering such a thing. People decompiled the game thoroughly enough to discover (and demonstrate) the unused Flood Juggernaut model, but there is absolutely no visible "Guardian" anywhere to be found. I've played Halo 2 multiplayer since the month the game came out, and I can confidently say, without even checking, that there are no actual "Guardians" going around, slaying players in MP matches. Ever. Under any circumstances.--The Berzerk Dragon 07:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your help 

message: in the plot section it says thet the grunts allied with the bruted in halo 2. I haven't played in awhile but i think at the end the alliances go:
Humans*
Elites*
Grunts 
Hunters
Brutes
Jackals
Prophets(idk if thats their name)
: at the end of halo 2 the seargent, captian keys's daughter and the arbiter are talching about the arch(i think its the arch), the arbiter seems to have no aggression to the seargent or captin keys and them likewise
::"At", "Halo", "Sergeant", "Keyes", "Arbiter", "talking", "Ark", "toward" (not "to"), "Captain" (two different variants). At least ten unique errors in one sentence. Please, people, for the sake of maintaining some sort of decorum here, think when you type and look at what you've typed before you hit click "Save Page". Also: sign your comments. --The Berzerk Dragon 17:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grunts are seen fighting alongside Brutes in Gravemind, High Charity, and in the Halo 3 Brute preview. Peptuck 03:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I'm of the opinion that the only maps that should be included in this section at the present time are the three that have been formally revealed, Snowbound, Valhalla and High Ground. I'm well aware that the others have been mentioned, but only in passing to describe a particular game element, such as light filtering through dirty glass windows ("big indoor level"), atmospheric effects ("cold base / warm base") or gametypes ("Codename jub jub"). In other words, we know nothing about the maps themselves. "Unknown big level"? That tells the reader nothing. May I suggest the minimum info needed in order to be added be a name and basic knowledge of the terrain?ABVS 00:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiplayer Maps

message: Since they updated their site, none of the weekly update citation links work anymore. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 04:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bungie.net weekly updates links no longer work 

message: There's a lot of vandalism that's been there a long time. It needs to be fixed--$UIT 00:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Et tu, Brute section 

message: I was wondering why it was a M6 Pistol when it should be a M6D HE Pistol.66.57.23.100 16:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we don't know if it is an M6D. Peptuck 17:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: M6 Pistol?

message: Will we see the Master Chief's face in either Halo 3 or the nupcoming Halo movie? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.225.135.55 (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been no confirmation on this. I personally hope not, because the mystery of MC's face makes it possible for people to picture him how they want him to be instead of having to accept how he looks. there is a poll on the bungie forum about this aswell FuzionZero 16:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how they are making both male and female spartan models, to the best of my knowledge, while not affecting master chief directly as master chief in character is male, it would suggest that bungie is aware of the fact that there are many female players (and certainly many different ethnicities other than whatever master chief may be - caucasian i believe per the books due to his paleness) and would therefore want to leave the immersiveness available to them that they would experience through a more faceless protagnoist... long story short, it might ruin it for alot of the world's gamers if suddenly the master chief is caucasian male...  i greatly prefer the faceless chief 
MazrimNJ 17:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Master Chief's face 

message: i know someone has more time on their hands than i do...  and as another user pointed out there is a nine inch nails? song called halo 3. Robkehr 07:58, April 4 2007 (UTC)
:The title is "Head Like a Hole", not "Halo 3" (although that's a common name for it - see Halo numbers). I've expressed my sentiments about it on your talk page and the purpose of . Will 03:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: will someone make a disambiguation page?