Talk:History of cryptography

message: In this talk page, there is a link for Rowlett that doesn't look like a link for the numbering system. I suggest we change it to a not-necessarily-existent dis-ambiguated link, as well as creating a dis-ambiguation page titled Rowlett (disambiguation) for both the numbering system, Rowlett, and the proposed link that is the better link for the word Rowlett above this message to link to. 66.245.67.166 22:44, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Rowlett refers to Frank Rowlett; I've added a disambiguation header at Rowlett. — Matt 23:06, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rowlett link 

message: Ever since Ww asked for my thoughts on the Enigma article (I think it was) a few months ago, I've been meaning to come back and provide a little help to you hard-working crypto editors. :-)  Anyway, a couple of quick thoughts about this page since it has a lower MRR rating -- I think it needs a lead section, and I'd like to see modern cryptography broken into subsections (you all know what subsections would be appropriate, or at least you'll know better than I do).  I think that would improve flow a great deal.  I'll try and read it more closely in the next few days and offer some other thoughts if I can. Jwrosenzweig 22:28, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments, it's much appreciated! — Matt Crypto 22:39, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Stumbled here from peer review

message: Timeline needs to be delineated more clearly.  A 20th century example should not be included under the heading of Medieval Cryptography.
:Yup. Be bold and have at it. ww (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Since when is Mata Hari Medieval?

message: The Lorenz and Siemens machines (jointly Fish, and individually Tunny and Sturgeon) were attempts to do something better than a stream cypher. Given the use to which they wer put, the Germans clearly believed them to be more secure than Enigma. They were, in effect, attempts to reach one-time pad quality, though I suspect they did not have the equivalent of Shannon's unbreakability proof. So, since stream one-time pads are a special instance of stream cyphers and more secure than any, the original wording is appropriate. ww (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Fish 

message: I may be splitting hairs, but for all of my decades playing with ciphers and while taking courses in grad school on cryptography, I was under the impression "classical cryptography" referred to everything pre-enigma and/or pre-computer. The first paragraph of this article backs up that definition but calls it "classic" instead of "classical." The second section of this article uses a different definition for "classical" for it to mean I guess pre-medieval. Do we have a citation for this new definition? Should we stick to just using one definition?
Furthermore, the intro links to another page on "classic cryptography" that gives another definition for a "classical cipher" -- the one I was familiar with.
I consulted Schneier's Applied Cryptography and Stinson's Cryptography Theory and Practice to see what they said on the matter, but they were silent.
Skintigh (talk) 18:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "classical cryptography" 

message: This article makes unreferenced claims that the ancient Egyptians and others used encryption. I am familiar that the Egyptian hieroglyphic system was very artistic and they would use visual metaphors (I forget the name for it... like instead of writing "son" you draw a Sun) but I am unfamiliar with this claim, and the others, and tagged them all as unreferenced.
Furthermore, the article claims cryptanalysis was invented in parallel with cryptography. If we are claiming cryptography was invented 6000 years ago, and it is a fact cryptanalysis wasn't invented until the 9th century, it is a falsehood to say "The development of cryptography has been paralleled by the development of cryptanalysis."
Skintigh (talk) 19:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very questionable claims and false information 

message: User:Veerashok163 has added the following to the section entitled World War II cryptography. 'Alan Turing was a person who worked for British Army can be called as the "Father of Modern Cryptology"' This is inaccurate in that Turing was employed by the UK Foreign Office, not the British Army and his most important work was on the Enigma codes used by the German Navy.
An assertion such as that he 'can be called as the "Father of Modern Cryptology"' should be supported by an appropriate reference, if there is one. However, I doubt it. Turing is often referred to as the "Father of Computer Science" see: Why Alan Turing is the father of computer science. --TedColes (talk) 17:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this claim shouldn't be here (although the Enigma was used by all branches of the German armed forces, not just the Navy). Hut 8.5 17:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan Turing's position 

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has statement:
"The earliest example of the homophonic substitution cipher is the one used by Duke of Mantua in the early 1400s."
This seems to be outdated. See: 
      Two Treatises on Cryptanalysis, 25.
      Arabic Origins of Cryptology, Volume 6, 2007
      Mohammed Mrayati, Yahya Meer Alam, M. Hassan at-Tayyan, eds.
At least 300 years earlier this was described in an unknown writers manual in the 11th century.
As newbie I got question: How is the process in Wikipedia to correct a statement already there in article?(Mamoun2 (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  earliest example of the homophonic