Talk:Political Google bombs in the 2004 U.S. presidential election

message: They fixed it in case there is still interest in this topic  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.11.178 (talk) 08:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

message: I thought it came from "It's a Wonderful Life." Mr. Potter says, "I suppose it should give [my money] to miserable failures like you and that idiot brother of yours to spend for me." 
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I'm guessing Dick Gephardt wasn't the first ever person to use the phrase "miserable failure". But the use by him is the origin of the Internet phenomenon: "These are important issues. This president is a miserable failure on foreign policy ... and on the economy. And he's got to be replaced" is what he said in the debate. Georgeslegloupier 09:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Search engine spamming has been around as long as search engines have, which is well before Google. RunedChozo 22:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: I typed in "Miserable Failure" to Wikipedia, and half expected there to be a redirect page to George W. Bush :)
Would have been kind-of amusing. EuroSong  18:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'm surprised that none of the vandals have tried that yet. 71.236.33.191 01:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Someone's fully protected the page now, so even that doesn't work. Not that there was much point beforehand anyway.
Yoda921 08:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Almost expected a wiki redirect 

message: Why is it assumed that:
1)  The other bombs were retaliation?
2)  Why assume Bush supporters?
Hillary Clinton doesn't fit too well in that mold considering that it takes a good long time to get a googlebomb working, and she's only recently been speculated to be a candidate for the upcoming election.  I'd suggest retitling it as "other political googlebombs" or something similar.
: It's retaliation because why else would Democrats become the target after the news showing the president was considered the miserable failure?  Logic would just dictate this.  Michael Moore and the rest only climbed the list after the news story, so Occam's Razor would point to this being retaliation of course.
: Inner City Blues 19:41, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "retaliation"? 

message: I've been trying to keep the article on the phrase "Worst president ever" NPOV, but it looks like it's going to be deleted anyway. Does anyone have any objection if I merge the (admittedly little) information from that article into this one in a few days? Rizzleboffin 06:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Worst president ever]] article 

message: This article needs to be merged into this master one. The other is redundant. rootology (T) 18:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is  'miserable failure' a "master one?"   I can see merging it into notable google bombs or just google bombs but I would argue that 'miserable failure' should be merged as well.  'miserable failure' is a POV term.  I don't think anyone would argue that we merge 'miserable failure' into the 'great president' page.  --Tbeatty 19:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "miserable failure" is descriptive of the parent article itself and the originator of everything on this article. rootology (T) 19:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rename it first so that the articles correctly describes "political google bombs" so that it can encompass all of them.  It makes no sense to have just a single google bomb be the name of all of them.  Or delete miserable failure and move it into the google bombs sections.--Tbeatty 19:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Everything relevant to this has been converted over and the talk pages copied. rootology (T) 19:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Great President]] & [[Waffles (John Kerry)]] merger to this artcle 

message: The link on the page now links to the Democratic national campaign... should this be updated? Cmcl14 23:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Maps 

message: Between October 16 and October 25, this article named "Winston Smith" (the character from Nineteen Eighty-Four) as Google Director of Consumer Web Products. This edit was inserted by America jones. I have inserted the correct name, Marissa Mayer, and posted a  warning to his/her User Talk page (where a previous  warning had been removed and replaced with nonsense text.) — IslandGyrl 17:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: My edits were to remove POV descriptions ("by leftists", "Democratic operatives and wonks", etc) and to make sure that other text meets WP:V tests (specifically the info on Gephardt - none of the refs given indicates that he called for "association" of the term with Bush; the refs do agree that he mentioned it in a speech Sept 3rd (over a month before the Google-bombing started), and other sources indicate he used it "commonly" in reference to the Administration during that fall.  Also, the refs all validate that the initial suggestion came from the blogger's site, not as User:RunedChozo inidicates "Democratic operatives".  I invite other editors (and RunedChozo) to check the refs and either give references for the current text, or switch it to a more WP:NPOV and verifiable version as I tried to.  Thanks.  jesup 22:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're asserting it was a bunch of right-wingers and libertarians who googlebombed that phrase? Please. Pull the other one. RunedChozo 22:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm saying that the terms used (which you inserted) strongly imply a POV.  If it were rephrased in a non-POV manner (instead of "by leftists" by "critics of the Administration", as a random possibility) that would be ok.  The terms used violate WP:NPOV and WP:V (operatives - where's the reference for that?).  The Gephardt issues are that the current claims are not supported by the references (see my comment above).  Also, I changed shortly after to a month after, which is supported by the various references (Sept 3rd to sometime in October).  jesup 23:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I have added this tag because words like "wonk" and "bio" apprar. An encyclopedia, shouldn't use these terms. -- Selmo (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informal tone.. 

message: Is there any proof that the sentence:
:In October of 2003 Democrat partisan supporters launched an effort to create links of "miserable failure" to the official White House biography of President Bush. In about 6 weeks the link to George W.
is correct. That is, is it confirmed that the effort launched by Democrat partisans rather than Greens supporters or even apolitical pranksters? Ashmoo 23:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced statement

message: See: --Steven X 11:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah but if you just type "failure" in it will work :) :) :)Yoda921 09:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not anymore it doesn't.--Steven X 07:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Ironically, both "failure" and "Miserable failure" now all link to Wikipedia. :D lol --Hdt83    Chat 08:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miserable failure google bomb doesn't work any more 

message: This article isn't so much about Political Google bombs themselves (which are actually described in more detail at Google bomb, but more about the particular Bush & Kerry bombs. As such, i propose this article be renamed to Political Google bombs in the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election and simply linked to from Google bomb. --ZimZalaBim talk 13:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving now... --ZimZalaBim talk 14:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to "Political Google bombs in the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election"