Talk:Epigynous berry/old title

message: While the term "True Berry" exists in just about every resource I've been able to find, I have not found anything referencing a "False Berry".  I question whether such a term truly exists in Botany, other than as jargon.  I nominate this article for deletion unless someone can prove it's a valid term with a well defined meaning.
Bvbacon 21:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is certainly a term that is used in some quarters at least, if not widely; personally, I'd not support deleting the page, but would support merging it with berry, the various structural differences between different berries can be better dealt with on one page, enabling e.g. illustrated comparisons (compare e.g. the merging of monoecious and dioecious into one article plant sexuality) - MPF 21:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a synonym of epigynous berry, as in the wiki article.  Meggar 02:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could we get more sources/detail on that?  I can't really evaluate that site's credentials. If it is correct that Epigynous berry and False berry are synonyms, I think that at the least the entry should be under Epigynous berry rather than False berry.  False berry should redirect to it.  I'm even more in favor of making it part of the Berry entry, once we get more information.  I'm still not convinced that Epigynous berries are not a subset of berries. - Bvbacon 18:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there such a thing as a False Berry? 

message: This article was nominated for deletion. The outcome was speedy keep. Capitalistroadster 10:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomination for deletion

message: This article lists blueberries as an example of a false berry, but the table and the blueberry article itself both state that it's a true berry. May I remove it as an example? (You've got enough other examples, I think.) Jeff Worthington 15:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ribes (gooseberry & currant) is a bad example of a berry as the ovary is usually party to fully inferior in this genus. Blueberries are also derived from an inferior ovary. I just checked the history of this page and all of these were originally under "false berry"; the formatting of the table was screwed up when somebody removed "grape" from the "true berry" column. BTW "false berry" is a rather obscure term that isn't much used in botany, as far as I can tell. MrDarwin 15:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blueberries 

message: How can one find a botanist among WP editors? We need an expert to sort out the unresolved false berry vs. (true) berry mess and discrepancies discussed here and on Talk:Cranberry and existing in and between this article and Vaccinium_vitis-idaea, Cranberry, Vaccinium, and several related articles. It's hard to believe all those articles are incorrect, so the error is probably here in this article. --Espoo 20:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those articles could all be incorrect if the same editor changed them all. A start at fixing it would be to get a few here to agree that those are not examples of True berries. MrDarwin might be one. As for this article, it might be best to merge it into Berry, where the difference between the two could be explained and illustrated rather than fought about. Meggar 03:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  botanist needed