Talk:BrahMos

message: I'm not suggesting that the BrahMos cannot be ship-launched, but I think the picture at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:INS_Rajput_firing_a_BrahMos_missile.jpg is blatantly photoshopped. There is a drop shadow behind the blast. Drop shadows don't usually happen IRL. Orokusaki (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems so. Here is the correct picture of a similar launch with shadow visible. http://www.brahmos.com/content%20image/sea-weapon-complex.jpg Enjoy Gainheight (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed Ship Launch 

message: This may not count as verifiable fact, but it's something of interest I was told by engineers at the Aero-India 2003 airshow, where there was a BrahMos exhibit: that the range of Brahmos has been officially limited at the interesting boundary of 290 km, because it allows Russian cooperation in the programme without being hindered by MTCR limitations.
The Russian Federation is party to the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), which aims at controlling the proliferation of nuclear capable ballistic missiles, including dual use missile technology. A nuclear capable ballistic missile was defined by the protocol as one capable of delivering at least 500 kg to '300' km; BrahMos' range is just below that, allowing the Russians to transfer technology without technically violating the treaty. BrahMos' stated warhead is also, of course, seemingly much lower than the lower limit prescribed by the MTCR, which might weaken the credibility of what this engineer told me; however, 290 is  interestingly short of 300 km. It might suggest a missile design left open to future 'upgrades', both in range and, possibly, in warhead size. -- Rahul Nayar
:Globalsecurity.org thinks there's something to that story also; see the updated article for a reference.  I wouldn't be surprised if they build a longer-range version in the future as well.  --Robert Merkel 07:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: i noticed that there's no mention in the article of the fact that the missile employs a ramjet. considering that i linked to the article from the ramjet article, i think it should have at least some mention of ramjet propulsion used by the missile.--Alhutch 09:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and make the edit, then. --Robert Merkel 12:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ramjet 

message: It was taken verbatim from two of the listed sources Azureprophet 04:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that means that you can fire it one direction, and it can turn around right after launch and fly 290 km in the opposite direction. -NorsemanII 05:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Means can be fired vertically and then the missile will tilt and fly towards the target. The warship need not have to turn towards the target to launch the missile. That's 360 degree coverage.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 15:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliminated Features Section 

message: I just removed some pro-Pakistani lines that are completely unrelated to the development of BrahMos. If you want to discuss what to add and what not, please write here instead of making stupid edits based on subjective POV's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.70.211.86 (talk) 17:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone is making heavily biased comments 

message: Can we use the same Anti-Ship missile for land targets? didn't they develop an LACM version which has probably different kind of terminal guidance? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.243.161.52 (talk • contribs).
:The only difference between the B-AShM and B-LACM versions is the seeker. The LACM has/will have a GPS seeker, while the AShM version has a radar seeker. Only difference between the two. They cant attack targets of the other type (At least at present), but can do pretty much everything else, including two missiles of different types being launched from the same launcher. T/@Sniperz11editssign 01:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahmos Land attack role 

message: If it has 2 times the mass and 4 times the velocity of a tomahawk. It should have 32 times the KE and not 16 as the article states. --Weedrat 11:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect calculations 

message: There was a problem a few days ago with this page, with some problem edits by User:Ronosen (talk), who redirected Brahmos from BrahMos to Brahmo, and added text to "Distinguish" BrahMos from Brahmo Samaj. I have added a redirect template text at the beginning of the page to point this out, and hope that will be the end of the matter.
Ronosen contacted me about this edit and I explained the rationale for it. Additionally, I am also creating this section for any public discussion on this issue. Please remember, Dont bite the newbie. T/@Sniperz11editssign 01:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[BrahMos]] vs [[Brahmo]] ([[Brahmo Samaj]]) 

message: It is mentioned that this missile can be fired from a submarine, but It´s surface-launched or it can be depth-launched? Maybe it has no waterproof and it must be launched when the submarine is not submerged. Someone knows???  --Damërung (talk) 10:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: BrahMos had been tested from static, underwater test stands in Russia and from the INS Sindhuvijay during refit trials. Enthusiast10 (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Submarine launched 

message: Someone removed the section on Brahmos 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BrahMos&action=historysubmit&diff=477683177&oldid=461676006#Brahmos_I_Block-II . I searched for it aand found a number of reliable sources for this. so i am rescuing the deleted section on Brahmos2 some sources are
# http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-develop-fastest-brahmos-2-missile-next-five-083833031.html
# http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-01-10/news/30611918_1_brahmos-aerospace-air-version-brahmos-missile
# http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110612/164581169.html
# http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=102
# http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=735910&publicationSubCategoryId=200 --ÐℬigXЯaɣ 15:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A new article regarding BrahMos-II has been created with most of the data from here being shifted there. Please feel free to contribute. - Jayadevp13 15:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahmos 2 

message: Some Editors would find these sources interesting
#The Russian-Indian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile at RIAN NEWS
# and export of Brahmos to Malaysia--ÐℬigXЯaɣ 13:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are some neutral sources() which state that this missile is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. The missile can carry a warhead of 200kg which is enough for a tactical nuclear weapon. More-ever Brahmos is largely based on P-800 Oniks which was also nuclear capable (). According to a news post from a company closely related with Indian defence sector(), Brahmos is nuclear capable but that is not it's intended use. This might shed some light on why it is not officially claimed so. Secondly, India has an official stance of No-First-Use and thus cannot publicly claim to possess tactical nuclear warheads. Hope this helps. Adamgerber80 (talk) 18:24, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Sources for Brahmos 

message: I have added some citation needed tags at points of information which are open to challenge. As per Wikipedia's Verifiability policy these should have reliable sources. In some cases these points may be speculation and not a documentation of fact, but a good source would solve the matter. I have also reverted two "dead link removals" User talk:IcyEd. Any thoughts are appreciated. --IcyEd (talk) 14:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifiability 

message: This article has a good update on current plans for testing and platforms, sub-launched could be fired by the end of the month, air-launched won't be fired until next year. http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_03_04_2013_p70-549011.xml  81.107.139.88 (talk) 12:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timings 

message: A new article/page for BrahMos-II is being developed in my namespace here. It is just in it's development stage. At present importance of this article might not be much but it woul soon increase since it is one of the three hypersonic cruise missiles being developed. Some matter from the BrahMos-II section of this article will also be transferred to this page so as to leave only a brief summary and link of BrahMos-II here. Intrested editors are requested to take a look at this page and make or suggest the required edits. Regards Jayadev P (talk) 07:19, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding BrahMos-II 

message: As far as open information is available, Brahmos Mk.1 has been fitted on the following vessels:
* INS Rajput - 4 Brahmos in inclined launchers replacing 2 SS-N-2D
* INS Ranvir - VLS launcher housing X nos. missiles
* INS Ranvijay - VLS launcher housing X nos. missiles
* INS Shivalik, Satpura, Sahyadri - 8 cell Brahmos VLS launcher
* INS Teg, Tarkash, Trikand - 8 Cell Brahmos VLS launcher
The P-16, 16A, 15 and other R class vessels are not armed with Brahmos and P-15 and 16A may be armed during mid-life upgrades.
The section needs to be edited and I might do it on the weekend.
Versova (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Navy Induction 

message: '...making India the first and only country to have a manoeuvrable supersonic cruise missile'
It is one example, but I am pretty sure the SS-N-22 Sunburn of Soviet manufacture in the 1980s meets those requirements and has been around a while.
Definitely  maneuverable, it does high g turns on final approach.  Definitely supersonic, and definitely a cruise missile.
Is there something I am missing?
Dperry4930 (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: some pr drone probably didn't do enough research before releasing that to the press. It would have probably made much more sense if they were talking about the land attack variant of the brahmos missile rather than the anti ship variant. Pvpoodle (talk) 10:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't think this statement is correct, someone explain please. 

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message: An entry from the site http://defencyclopedia.com/ is made here with many differences from what's there in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VandeMataram (talk • contribs) 11:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors detected. 

message: In the Development section, sub section surface to surface, the following statement seems to be false.
"The Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) said that there were "small hitches" in the last stage of the test firing, which was attributed that to the US GPS satellites, which were switched off on that day as Barack Obama was sworn in as the President of the United States. The missile traveled for 112 seconds instead of the slated 84 seconds and fell 7 km away from the target.[33] "  
According to GPS.gov  "Millions of users around the world have been monitoring and recording real-time GPS performance on a continuous basis since its inception. If the civilian GPS service had ever been interrupted by its operators, the evidence would be obvious and widespread. No such evidence exists." 
I am not going to edit it, turning it over to a savvy wikipedia editor. 98.101.179.122 (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim that GPS unavailability Caused targeting failure 

message: The whole section is sourced from a single blog based out of India. Should the whole section be removed?? Moodyman1 (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warship defenses section.  

message: The sources in this section are all several years old. Just one example, South Africa ended up selecting Exocet for their Valour-class frigates, BrahMos was eliminated from the shortlist quite early in the process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Export section is outdated 

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message: Since the IP editor is so adamant on it being added to the page, I'll as for them. Is this link https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1718956/taiwanese-navy-accidentally-fires-hypersonic-missile-at-fishing-vessel-as-tensions-with-enemies-china-ratcheted-up/ an acceptable reliable source? Boomer VialHolla 07:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not consider this or the other link posted as reliable sources. The first link states that it could be the speed of the missile and this source only mentions the speed of the missile. A list of valid and reliable sources (, , ) place the speed of the missile at Mach2.5-3 which makes it comparable to BrahMos in terms of speed not better. I propose to remove that text altogether since it is no backed by any reliable sources whereas we have multiple reliable sources which point to otherwise. Adamgerber80 (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

text: FYI, there is a currently an RfC in progress discussing these points and some more. Any comments you(or anyone else wanting to be part of this discussion) have are welcome there. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of source 

message: I propose to update the operational range of the missile from 290-300km(current) to 450km. The extended range is not a new variant of the missile but just a restriction of MTCR. The extended range will be retrospectively applied to all currently deployed missiles and new missiles produced in the future would be of range 450km. Here are some references ,. Adamgerber80 (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the information to make the update 
 Recently the missile is tweaked and tested to range of 450km and they are also jointly developing a newer long range variant with 800km range. Gainheight (talk) 01:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to update operational range 

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message: BrahMos Aerospace chief recently said that a 500 km BrahMos is ready. Therefore I have updated the range of BrahMos. But I don’t think this missile has been tested to 500 km range yet. (or has it? After all, the Chief made this statement right after a test ) So is it correct to update it’s range right now, or maybe later?http://www.brahmos.com/pressRelease.php?id=88 Vaibhavafro (talk) 15:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on new Range of 500 km 

message: The claim seems spurious, given the fact that, with a speed of Mach 3, there are many other cruise missiles which are faster than it - even just within the supersonic range (i.e. ignoring hypersonic missiles with speeds well over Mach 5) - see here. The source linked is just a news page which makes the claim without any reference or evidence.
(comment to this by another user): It may have been the fastest when it was introduced. But we have seen new hypersonic missiles now (and used in 2022 in the Russia-Ukraine conflict) with a cruise speed exceeding mach 5. Also the Russian "Kalibr" missile exist in some version(s) with an additional booster stage providing hypersonic speed in the final phase of the flight.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.191.188.253 (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "fastest supersonic cruise missile in the world" 

message: I am new here so wanted to run this by more experienced folk around (, , , ,  and others watching this artile) before messing with the article. Does the below incident merit addition to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos#Accidents_and_incidents section? 
The Pakistani Inter-Services PR agency chief in a press conference on 10-March-2022 announced that on 09-March-2022 a high speed missile strike has occurred deep inside Pakistani territory with the missile having been launched from Indian territory. He mentioned that it was for the Indian side to explain what had happened.
https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1501951149661769736?s=20&t=CG1PGm4jEmzMXzsalv2GdQ
The following day (11-March-2022) India's Department of Defence put out a statement mentioning that a technical malfunction led to an accidental firing of a missile on 09-March-2022 which it deeply regretted. It also mentioned that the Government of India has taken a serious view of the matter and ordered a high-level Court of Enquiry.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1805148
It was reported by some media publications that this missile was a Brahmos (https://theprint.in/defence/accidentally-fired-missile-into-pakistan-due-to-tech-glitch-says-india-it-was-brahmos/869387/)
Webberbrad007 (talk) 23:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I have edited this on the article, I have not removed it completely, but I have just written that it is unconfirmed whether it was Brahmos, but sources say it was. I will edit it once updates come out from official sources and more light is shed on the matter Rahilmohd0220 (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good work.— Vaibhavafro 💬 06:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of recent incident of "accidental" firing of the missile on 09-March-2022 

message: The use of the phrase "pinpoint accuracy" in the the third paragraph is a clear violation of Wikipedia:FLOWERY in my opinion given that accuracy is not quantitatively described with circular error probable. The term is ostensibly attributed to this article, but has been in various outlets since at least 2015, with sources (to my knowledge) ultimately pointing to statements made by those involved in the testing or development of the missile itself (the first link does not provide any attribution, while the second links to someone from BrahMos Aerospace, for instance).
I think we should delete this phrase entirely (end at "800 km range") or modify it along the lines of "reportedly pinpoint accuracy", sourcing concerns notwithstanding
Carbon1674 (talk) 06:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pinpoint accuracy"