Talk:Kannada/Archive 1

message: Can you also list a couple of sites which teach Kannada? Thanks.
user:Ramesh
:If you know of any, no one's stopping you from adding them to the article. --Brion
:: Done! --ashwatha 23:01, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: External sites

message: As long as there is no separate Kannada script or Kannada alphabet article, I place the 
Category:Abugida writing systems here. Pjacobi 20:55, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization 

message: There are some terms used to describe the "letters" but some are only in English and some are only in romanized Kannada. I'm guessing that swaras are vowels, and vyanjanas are consonants. "Unstructured consonants" is a term I don't readily understand, and "yogavaahas" has no English term and I also can't guess what it might be. It would be nice to have all in both languages and even both scripts. — Hippietrail 07:35, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should read better now; I tried to clarify those terms in the article; will be happy to do so further if it still sounds vague. --ashwatha 23:01, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Script terms 

message: I made some structure changes and added some info - I also removed the unicode chart; we are using unicode for the alphabet anyway, and there is a link to the Kannada unicode chart in the external links section.
That said, this article can do with a *LOT* more information, particularly a section on Kannada grammar and one on its dialects.
--ashwatha 04:31, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  changes 

message: The article claims that the language has been in existence for 2005 years. This is a debatable claim. My intention is not be finicky about the exact date, but can someone throw light on whether the language has been in existence for such a long period? --Vijay Krishna 07:35, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 2500 years?

message: The information in the transliteration paragraph seems to go over from sensible stuff to POV Bangalore spam after some ... The user that added this User:Cg.srinivas, was accused of spamming just an hour prior to the edits on this page. Also he changed the number of speakers from 45 to 55 millions without any seemingly justification. I know to little of the subject to make any changes. -- Larsivi 10:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the frequent used phrases section... Its now here: Kannada language/Translations of frequently used phrases. The article needs a rework to a better standard on the lines of Tamil. We'll need to work to ready this to featured article standard. --H P Nadig * \Talk \Contributions 08:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration strangeness

message: I suppose there are few ridiculous things in this article. 
* Confusion with Canada (now deleted)
* aptly called Sirigannada (fit only for poets and Kannada chaluvali cadres)
:This one probably ain't 'ridiculous'. I can understand your concern over the literati usage, but it is a 'fact', so it does fit into article quite well.
* Gandu mettida Kannada: Well, this was supposed to be the boast of Dharawadis about their 'rough' Kannada.
:what you happen to feel is a 'boast' might be the way they show their affection towards the language. Calling it a 'boast' is a POV. --H P Nadig * \Talk \Contributions 21:16, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Having just come across this article, I'd say that there's an urgent need for an explanation/translation of the phrase "aptly described as 'sirigannada'". I certainly don't know what that means (I'm British), and I doubt that the majority of Wikipedia readers will. Loganberry (Talk) 02:28, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've now deleted that phrase. I've no objection to its going back if it's explained properly. The word "aptly" could be seen as POV as well, so that needs some care. Loganberry (Talk) 13:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sirigannada, literally speaking, means rich/wealthy language and is basically used as a praise. I've no objection to the removal from the lead. If it needs to be added, it can be reworded as described by its native speakers and a para about its origin, below the lead.   Pamri • Talk 07:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gandu mettida Kannada? 

message: How to get Wiki in Kannada Fonts?
:See http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kannada_Support & http://kannada.sampada.net 
--Pamri • Talk 10:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kannada support 

message: Can someone here look at Vanavaasa and add context or confirm what it says?  Thanks!  --Perfecto  20:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone help with a bit of fact-checking? 

message: Badaga started out as a dialect of Kannada and according to some linguist it is classified as an independant langue. So it will be the first daughter language of Kannada in modern history and that should be noted.
RaveenS 17:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to [[Badaga]] langauge

message: * Kannada flag which is usually associated with the language can be put up on the article.
* A screenshot of Kannada Wikipedia can be posted here on the Kannada Script section.
* There were some images put on the article long back (of old scriptures and couple of screenshots). Can someone hop back into the article history and restore them back?
* Does the Misinterpretation section really need that much of highlighting? 
* History section needs some images. 
--H P Nadig * \Talk \Contributions 07:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of changes needed 

message: I have changed the "ranking" in the info-box from 23 to 29, since this is th rank given by the List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers article. I have also mentioned the approzimate number of speakers in the article lead section. --ashwatha 03:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking 

message: A unique literature work of its kind in world.
I assume that it is the first Literature of its kind(Compressed and encrypted).
please refer the Link.
http://www.pustakshakti.com/prod02.htm
This book is first work which is going to be converted to Software.
Guyz, I am translating whats published in Kannada Prabha. I do not want anyone to miss out on this.
------------------Translation of the news start here-----------
Ka.Ma.Ravishakara
KannadaPrabha News, BengaLuru, Nov. 6
Software has been prepared to decode the Kannada's all time amazing literary work, "Siri Bhuvalaya" by kumudheMdu muni.
This is the first book thats a software in itself. Three engineers have contributed to this Software Project on the occasion of "SuvarNa karnaTaka". The same would be available over the web-site. As a result, the "work" that was known only to small community would now be accessible through out the world, and any liguist(of any language) could study this "Literature".
At present only few Kannada Shlokas could be decoded. This could help other pundits. In future, efforts would be made to unravell the work to different languages.
This Software Project was assumed under "SiriBhuvalaya JnaanasaMvardhini sabha" Trust's M.D. Power Grid Engineer H.M.SadanaNda. BeNgaLuru's K.Prabhudeva, a Software Engineer has developed the software. Pradeva told here that the software would soon be made available over internet.
VaishiShTya of "SiriBhavalaya"
VaishiShTya of "Siri-Bhu-valaya" - Significance(??) of "Siri-Bhu-valaya
This graMtha could be converted(not translated) to 718 languages of the world.
Many works(GraMthas) that include vast knowledge about Ramayana, Mahabharatha, Bhagavdgeethe, Vaidya, veda, Jyotishya, Science, Mathematics, Technology., etc would be unravelled by reading this work in various angles.
This is the "One and only aMka shaastra (numerally coded???) kriti" that codes Kannada letters using numerals 1-64 and is being written in the form of 27 X 27 squares that are inscribed in Chakra(Wheels).
The Poet, "kumudeMdu muni" has called the work as "sarva bhaashaa mayi" [inclusive of all languages].
If the rows of the 27 squared cude is read from top-bottom it unravells a Shloka in Prakrit. Similary if read in different angles, the work would unravells literature of 718 languages.
This graMtha was constructed by KumudheNdu muni who lived in a village called yalavaLLi near Nandi Hills, near BeNgaLuru.. He lived around 1500 A.D. The poet has documented that he has written this work in a span of 47 minutes and Kannada has the power to hold 718 languages!@#@!#@!#".
The poet(or I would muni itself) has constructed the coded language used in Computer today called "Gupta lipi" and a Single Numerical System (Could it be binary or Hexadecimal??) to represent any laguage in the world around 500 years back.
This is the work that told the world what Global Villaga is all about. This unusual work that includes the coded script as well has still remained a mystery.
Till date its been possible to decode only a small portion of the work. As a result of the efforts made by Pundit. Yallappa Shastry, Karla MangalaM ShriKantaiah and Anatha Subba Rao, till date only its been possible to read the book in "vimalaanka baMdha" and "navamaaMka paddhati".
Kannada saaNgatya poems, Bhagavadgeethas Preface poems, Jain Dharma saara have been found. Sentences from Sanskrit, Prakrut, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, Gujarathi, BengaLi ...etc have been decoded from this.
echnology might help
Technology might help - Many of the decoding rules, Wheel deciphering techniques laid down by KumudheMdu Muni themselves have not been deciphered. This looks like modern days Computer Language. This language challenges the coded language, and hence it would be better if we adopt Technology to decipher this.
Muni has documented that this work would give as much fuits as you recite, as much wealth as much you think about this. He has also documented that this work is a Bhoo-valaya of Thousands, Lacs, Crores of Shlokas.
This is a very special graMtha, that uses coded numerical language, that cannot be found in any work of any language.
The Siri-Bhoo-valaya Jnanavardhini sabha has taken measures to document this work in Guiness Book of World Records, Software that would decipher the coded language of this book, develop a web-site etc. City's Pustaka Shakti Prakaashana has published few rules of deciphering the coded language used in the book.
Efforts have been made to implement the decisions that were made in Nov, 5, 2005 in one of meetings held by "Jnana saMvardhini sabha" at YarakkaaD, Tamil Nadu.
Few Facts..
1. There are 1270 Chakras(wheels) in various chapters of this book.
2. Out of these 1270 Chakras, only 90 have been deciphered.
3. No Pundit is alive today who could decode this.
4. The no. of letters(in the form numerals) used are 14 lacs.
5. Poet, KumudeMdu Muni has argued that its possible to decipher 6 lac Shlokas.
6. Since there were no Pundits, the deciphering task was halted. Now with the help of Technology its been made possible.
....End of Kannada Prabha article.
Comments from  Dr. S.Srikantha sastri, MA., D.Litt
I am informed that whole manuscript consist of many pages,which are in extreamly frail condition,so that it is very difficult to handle them.I had also several talks with Sri Srikantayya about the complicated problems raised by this astonishing work.
From the clues,laboriously worked out by the editors,I myself have verified that the readings given by the editors,are substantially correct as far as published and i can say that,however astonishing the results are,there is no proof of deliberate forgery by any modern author.A dispassionate scholar,with no preconceived opinions,should be prepeared to accept bearistic method of evaluating historical document until and unless substantial evidence is produced on the contrary.
'Bhuvalaya' claims to be the work of kumudendu,who says that he was guru of amoghavarsha of Manyakheta and a desciple of virasena and jinasena od Dhavala.The recent discovery and publications of 'Dhavala Tika' constitutes a land mark in Indological studies,essentially for Jainology.Kumudendu'd kannada Bhuvalaya is professinally based on Virasena's work,but is more extensive and important.I have scrutinised carefully for any evidence of a latter date than 9th century A.D.
The importance of this work can be briefly analysed under following heads.
1) For the history of Kannada Language and Literature, it is one of the earliest works,however much it may upset our present notions of development of kannada language,unless it can be proved to be modern.
2) For the history of Sanskrit,prakrit,Tamil and Telugu literatures of the 9th century,it is an eyeopener.
3) For the study of jainism in particular and all other schools of Indian philosophy and religions,it provides new material which may revoulutionise our present concepts of the development of Indian thought.
4) For political history of India and Karntaka,it provides fresh material as it mentions Amoaghavarsha and Ganga rulers of Mysore.
5) For the History of Indian mathematics,it is an important document.
The recent studies in Virasena's Dhavala Tika show that Indians even in 9th century ,if not centuries earlier,were conversant with the theory of place values,laws of indices,the theory of logarithms,special methods to deal with fractions,theories of transformation,geometrical and mensuration formulae,infinite processes and theories of infinity anticipating Canter and other western mathematicians,correct value of pi,permutation and combination etc.
Kumudendu's works seems to be far more advanced than even Virasena's and therefore not easily comprehsnsion.
6) For the study of Indian Positive Sciences,it is important showing how as early as the 9th Century ,if not earlier,Physics,Chemistry,Biology,Ayurveda,Zoology,Vetinary Science astronomy had Developed in India,
8) Special Attention should be drawn to the version of Bhagwad Gita and Mahabharata,which have been Embedded in the general text in such a way that it is impossible to assert that they are interpolations by some moderns,who should hav had extraordinary genius indeed to produce work involving a mathematical combination of letters to fit in the general scheme of numerous other Kavyas.
There are not less than eight or ten versions of the Gita according to Kumudendu in five languages.Regarding the mahabharatha in which Bhandarkar Institute of poona is working for the past 25 years and more to bring out a critical edition,Bhuvalaya professes to give the original nucleus of the Mahabharata called Jayakhya Samhita.
Further it gives three version of thr RigVeda differently entirely from the accepted versions.
The Bhagwadgita,Mahabharatha and Rig Veda as well as Ramayana(which also is included in this Kavya as Kumudendu) are acknoweldgly fundamental texts for the study of Indian culture.
9) Besided these works of general Intrest,The Buvalaya professes to give the text of Important Jaina textx like Tattavarthadigama sutras of Uma Swati,The Gandhahasti Mahabhasya,Devagamastotra etc,of Samanta Bhadra,Chudamani,Samayasara,Pravachana Sara etc of Kundakundacharya, the work of Pujyapada like Sarvartha Sidhi,Akalamka,Virasena,Jinasena etc of Digambara School,the Angas,and many work considered lost by Digambaras but claimed to have been preserved by the Swethambaras.
Technical works like Suryaprajanapati, Chandraprajanati, Jambudwiparajanati, Trilokaprajanati etc.
10) The work is also important from the Archeological point of view as it gives a list of 27 alphabets including Brahmi,Kharoshti, Yavanani (Greek),Saindhava(Indus script),Gandhara,Bolidi etc and languages like Tibet(Tibetan),parasa(persion) etc.
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:This work needs an article for itself.  I've been meaning to create one for some time now.  Will do it soon.  Sarvagnya 06:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siri boovalaya - A unique literature work of its kind in world ?