Talk:Al Murray

message: I can't see why the amendments added by me as follows require the persistent attention of a removal artist.
:"Al Murray has been married twice, and currently lives in Hammersmith with his wife, Amber, and daughter, Scarlett." 
and 
:" ... "I was never confused", which is an allusion to a supposed gay interlude in his character's early identity."—Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
per this policy, the first part needs reliable sourcing. Per WP:V, so does the second. Neither is sourced. From policy: "any material that is unsourced, particularly in relation to living people, may be challenged and removed, aggressively if necessary".  --Rodhullandemu 16:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also worth taking a look at WP:TALK to see what editing of a talk page is permissible. --Rodhullandemu 18:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that. However, I do know that Al Murray can spell, and I do know where he lives. However, as an admin here it is my responsibility to make sure that our policies are followed. That means removing inadequately-sourced personal information, which will continue as long as I'm around. --Rodhullandemu 21:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Just heard this on iPlayer, and apparently, I'm "the nerd", although he didn't give any credit for the assistance I gave him here. I suppose if I wandered into "his gaff" and began to rearrange the furniture to suit my own preference, The Pub Landlord might have something to say about it. Point is that we don't get to write articles to our own preference, and when we have no way at the time of verifying whether or not the IP's claim to be Al Murray is true. I might log out and edit Barack Obama's article claiming to be him, but my IP address says I'm in Wiltshire, so that claim would quickly fall to the ground. There are ways of dealing with this sort of thing here. At least I've never produced anything as dire as "Multiple Personality Disorder", and if those scripts had crossed my desk as a script editor I'd have said "Forget it Al, they'll crucify you." And they did. Rodhullandemu 19:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puzzle 

message: Corrected the details of the charity which Al is the Patron of (not a trustee).  Would have thought that a simple lookup on the Charity Commission website would have been done to check accuracy first (suggest for all charity entries).  Mark, CamKids Chairman 88.111.145.162 (talk) 09:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would help if he were listed there, but he isn't; you and Amber are listed as trustees, but the CC doesn't seem to list Patrons. --Rodhullandemu 14:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Charity

message: I always thought Al Murrays character was nameless, only known as 'the pub landlord', and that al murray was the name of the guy performing it, not the actual landlord (like alan partridge is steve coogan) but...now the tv show is called Al Murrays Happy Hour... so has he adopted it as the only thing he will do for his career?
:No, I just watched his latest show on ITV, and it was called Another Audience With Al Murray, The Pub Landlord.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.125.162 (talk) 00:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character name

message: I've removed the following:
Often in his shows, as a deliberate comic interruption, Murray offers a glimpse at the extremely intelligent and sensitive man behind his antithetical persona. This often involves a modest and subtle demonstration of his knowledge of philosophical and literary debates, and his appreciation of real-world political issues beyond the right-wing extremism he is lampooning (his act may be seen as a fresh take on the Alf Garnett idea). It is a testament to his skill as a comedian that he mainly uses this to deflate the egotism of anyone he invites on stage, who are mainly people with pretentious job titles from the first few rows. Although quite a lot of his act involves light-hearted 'attacks' on women, especially if they are drinking pints ("Tell me there's lime in it, darling!"), and people from other countries, the object is satire and ultimately the Pub Landlord is a deliberately pathetic creature, with Murray working in a background featuring a failed marriage, failure as a father and early homosexual experiences ("I was NEVER confused!") lying behind his misogyny and bigotry. As a particular example, when interviewing Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin, he essentially dropped the persona entirely to express his admiration for the astronaut and discuss the conspiracy theory surrounding the missions.[citation needed]
Although I think we should be thankful to the person(s) who wrote this, this is in no was neutral - see WP:NPOV. Wikipeida is also not the place for original research of commentary WP:NOT, so even if this may be well written, it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. I considered editing it, but almost every sentence is a matter of opinion, not a statement of fact. In the end I had to be bold and get rid of it. Tompagenet 09:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section 

message: The paragraph above having been removed, there is now nothing in this article that states the parody and contradictions of his character, which are major aspects of his Pub Landlord character. His character is supposed to be uneducated, with a over-simplistic xenophobia, strongly influenced by his wife's infidelity with continental men. There is no doubt that the real Murray is educated to a high standard, and, like Warren Mitchell and his character Alf Garnett, has clearly created a uneducated, right-wing 'straw man' character, in an attempt to discredit the right by reprenting them as ignorant and narrow-minded. However, whilst in character, Murray quite often drops his pretense, by doing things such as speaking fluent German, and, as pointed out above, engaging in intelligent conversation, such as with Aldrin. Another massive contradiction is that people who are very right-wing are strongly opposed to anything and everything LGBT. However, the Pub Landlord's favourite band, as he enthusiastically exclaims so often, is Queen (whose lead singer was a multiracial immigrant bisexual who died of AIDS). The suggestion is that the Pub Landlord is a latent homosexual, but no-one has pointed out that idolising Queen obviously runs completely contrary to British nationalism. The Pub Landlord has interviewed several homosexual guests, without condemning their orientation or lifestyles. That is very different to how a real nationalist is. Murray doesn't make his character a convincing portrayal of a right-winger, whereas Warren Mitchell did; Garnett never showed intelligence, nor ever mentioned loving an AIDS-infected promiscuous bisexual. Murray discredits his own character through the major inconsistencies in his act. There needs to be something in the article that states the points in this paragraph. Werdnawerdna (talk) 22:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Parody and contradictions

message: "... with a dislike for anything "un-British"." Not good usage, almost Orwellian, what's wrong with "not British"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.92.30 (talk) 01:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor English

message: The fact that Bubble and Squeak is is favourite dish is linked to a reference that refers to his divorce. Its clearly fallacious and has been put in as a joke. 
Its prolly you bloody Yanks that can't see that its stupid. bubble and squeak weekly? Jesus, give me a break. 
I'm great and you all suck. 
Bye  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.79.201 (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bubble and Squeak?  

message: User:Mabelina has written a paragraph musing on how "Murray's parliamentary pedigree and know-how exceeds that of lesser publicans, being able to draw on cross-party family connections..." with some plain primary-source links about how Murray's family tree contains various political figures. This seems WP:SYN at best: we don't really know what level of "parliamentary know-how" the man has, or whether is he able to draw on the "connections" of long-dead ancestors. If this is an individual Wikipedia editor looking at somebody's family tree and making a point or a joke about it, does it belong here? Has any press coverage of his standing for parliament commented on his ancestry as being particularly unique or interesting in relation to it? --McGeddon (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political connections 

message: Since FUKP is a real party, isn't it notable enough to have it's own article with policies, history, etc.? I'm not sure, what do you think?  Moony22 19:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding FUKP to new article Suggestion 

message: In the section marked "The Pub Landlord". I have removed the sentence; "When asked about the sitcom during live shows, in character as "The Pub Landlord", Murray claims to be unhappy with the television series, a joke some have taken literally." There is no citation or cross-reference for this and it is merely the opinion of the originator which contravenes Wikipedia guidelines for content.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FordFrazey (talk • contribs) 19:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, quite right. This kind of explanation can be put in your WP:EDITSUMMARY, for future reference. --McGeddon (talk) 08:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Sentence 

message: The article describes the Pub Landlord character as "mock-xenophobic" and professing "an apparent particular animosity towards Germans". If he's a fictional character, shouldn't we just say that he's "xenophobic" and "has a particular animosity towards Germans"? Or is the Pub Landlord merely pretending within character to hold these opinions? I'm not really familiar with Murray's routine. --McGeddon (talk) 09:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mock" xenophobic 

message: I have removed the following statement from this section. " His character "The Pub Landlord" is a stereotypical,Reductionist[1] right-wing British patriot avowing a dislike for anything "un-British"." With the attendant footnote, Ref Herring, Richard. "Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast Episode 79 - Al Murray". Retrieved 24 September 2015. This was done under the following Wikipedia guidline. "Ideally all information should be actually cited to reliable sources to provide evidence that it is verifiable, such as published books and mainstream press publications. Blogs, Facebook, MySpace, YouTube, Twitter, fan sites, and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is another Wikipedia article."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FordFrazey (talk • contribs) 07:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:SELFPUBLISH, I think it's safe to regard Richard Herring as an "established expert" on the subject of stand-up comedy characters, so we could quote his description of the Pub Landlord even if it was just written on his personal blog. It might even be Murray himself describing the character, given that the podcast appears to be an interview. --McGeddon (talk) 08:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

text: If you click through to WP:SELFPUBLISH you'll see that Wikipedia explicitly allows the use of blogs and other self-published sources if they're written by established experts. Herring's podcast seems like a reasonable source for a short description of a fictional character - it may even be Murray giving his own description of the character, I haven't listened to it. --McGeddon (talk) 10:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pub Landlord 

message: I removed the sentence about being in remainder to peerages, given Murray has disputed it and there wasn't a proper reference. Bellowhead678 (talk) 07:33, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor who added it 5 years back (and shortly after cited it when challenged) was blocked for long-term disruptive editing and behaviour a year later.  Particularly among peerage articles.  So I think we're safe to assume that this was not a good faith attempt to cite the content. Good call removing it. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 08:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In remainder to peerages 

message: Why does the article not mention that he was born on 10 May 1968? (86.154.234.140 (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: "...200 public figures who were signatories to a letter to The Guardian expressing their hope that Scotland would vote to remain part of the United Kingdom in September's referendum"
This is such a frequently-referenced text, occurring in the wiki articles of at least 200 public figures, what support would there be for an actual Wikipedia article on this subject?
Nuttyskin (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open letter to ''The Guardian''