Talk:Rinaldo (opera)

message: 24 February 2011 is the tercentenery of Rinaldo's London premiere. I have agreed to try, in the linited time available, to expand the article to featured standard and to shepherd it through the FAC rocess in the hopes that it can be chosen as the main page article on the tercentenary date. It's a tall order but I think it can be done; in about a week I hope to have a respectable revised draft, then a week at peer review, giving 12 to 14 days for the FAC process. I am reasonably well supplied with sources (User:4meter4 has been brilliant in digging up stuff on modern performances) but if anyone can point me to articles oor other relevant texts, that will be be much appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mission possible?

message: *:File:BoucherRinaldoArmida.jpg| (Rinaldo and Armida by François Boucher, 1734 (Louvre))
*:Image:Jean-Honoré Fragonard 022.jpg (Rinaldo in the garden of Armida, painting by Fragonard)
*:File:Tiepolo - Rinaldo und Armida.jpg (Rinaldo falls under Armida's spell in a painting by Giovanni Battista Tiepolo, one of his many works inspired by their story.)
:The above images are alternates for that selected, in the "synopsis" section Brianboulton (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Temporary parking spot for images (while the text develops)

message: Should the roles of Goffredo and Eustazio be linked to Godfrey of Bouillon and Eustace III, Count of Boulogne? And, although more tenuously, Rinaldo's origin to House of Este? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Godfrey is already linked in two different ways, piped to Bohumir in Armida (Dvorak)#Roles and as himself in Armida (Rossini)#Roles.  If he's to be linked, one method or the other should be adopted. --GuillaumeTell 19:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text: The names Goffredo and Eustazio seem close enough to the target names to permit piped linking without falling foul of WP:EASTEREGG. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Godfrey of Boullion and Eustace

message: *Can someone who knows this article fix the references section? Thanks! --Robert.Allen (talk) 05:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs appear to have been vandalized quite a few edits back 

message: It would be good to upload a sample from the opera, I suppose the entire work is in public domain due to author's death year. 89.76.224.253 (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The score is in the public domain, but not a performance of it, unless the performers release their copyright (or it's a very old recording pre-1923). Voceditenore (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample 

message: Should "Rinaldo" in the article's title be italicized? --Another Believer (Talk) 19:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:ITALICTITLE, yes. I've italicised it. mgiganteus1 (talk) 20:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (Seeing this here after reverting), my understanding is that opera titles are not italicized. In any case, there's surely no reason to italicize '(opera)'? --Kleinzach 05:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Opera Project has a specific practice of non-italicization,  explained here, which has been applied to all titles of opera articles and has been accepted as valid through numerous FACs. Brianboulton (talk) 19:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italic title? 

message: Why is there a cut-and-paste archive of this talk page that's only around 2k and this page is only a little over 4k?  WP:TALKCOND says "It is helpful to archive or refactor a page either when it exceeds 70 KB, or has more than 15 main sections" (my emphasis).  —  AjaxSmack  02:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The archived discussions (2008–09) have no relation to the current article and therefore don't make any useful contribution to the talkpage discussion. The link to the archive is there, for the curious. Brianboulton (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Says who?  Plus, a reader doesn't know that until clicking through.  —  AjaxSmack  17:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

text: It's good to have archives. Speeds up reading the talk page. --Kleinzach 02:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three miniscule sections in the archive that take up less than a full screen (assuming average resolution/screen size).  How does having to access a separate page for that speed anything up?  —  AjaxSmack  17:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Brian. The older conversations have no relation to the current version of the article which has been entirely re-written and has been majorly expanded. The old and irrelevent conversations would be confusing to new editors visiting this talk page. Removing them to the archive improves clarity and prevents old, stale, and currently irelevent conversations from being needlessly revived. (As often happens on talk pages with drive-by editing by anon IPs). Having the archive makes sense and is useful. Further, one could argue that this is simply a logical implementation of the talk page policy "Refactoring for relevance" at WP:TPO. 4meter4 (talk) 18:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there an archive at this talk page? 

message: Is Rinaldo (opera) the primary topic of "Rinaldo"?  If not, what entry at Rinaldo is the competition?  —  AjaxSmack  02:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes there is no one primary topic. --Kleinzach 05:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that.  I was implying that not only are the other entries at Rinaldo are not only not primary but lack sufficient notability to compete with the opera, i.e., the opera is the primary topic.  —  AjaxSmack  00:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO the Handel is not primary. --Kleinzach 01:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the opera is not the primary. Rinaldo is after all a first name used in Italy.4meter4 (talk) 19:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this the primary topic? 

message: The date seems inaccurate: Alcina and Orlando were premiered in the 1730s. I have not corrected the date myself as I don't know the source whence the quotation is drawn.--Jeanambr (talk) 16:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The source at the end of that sentence says Admeto and Orlando, without a specific year, so I've removed "1719" and changed the name of the first opera. DrKiernan (talk) 10:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1719 (?) 

message: I accept that in the past there have been infobox wars on other articles. I have not been a part of that, but I know it happens. If you believe that this article would be spoiled and not assisted by an infobox, please state your reasons here. I do not have an opinion about infoboxes on this particular article, so I shall not be taking part in this discussion. I am just asking you to keep the peace. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 17:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox