Talk:Hindustan

message: If "the modern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh" is "a part of the former United Provinces", pray, which are the other parts thereof? WikiSceptic 18:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  See United_Provinces_of_Agra_and_Oudh. Vpendse 13:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Or parts thereof 

message: How do you write "Hindustan" in Persian? Tuncrypt 15:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Tuncrypt, Hindustan is written as هندوستان in Persian. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 23:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian 

message: Do you want this to be an article or a disambiguation page? It currently is both, which is undesirable. TimBentley (talk) 04:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a disambiguatin page by all means but I feel it requires some cleanup.--seXie(t0lk) 08:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article or disambiguation page? 

message: Shouldn't there be an entry for India. Hindustan is referred to as indian subcontinent. I will rearrange the page(s), making a separate disambiguation page. If anyone has a point splash it here --seXie(t0lk) 21:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No entry for India 

message: I think Hindustan should not be as a separate article itself. There should be only one article "India". Hind was a name called instead of India. Hindustan was referred to this subcontinent at one time. today the same area is officially called India. It would not be correct to have 2 pages talking about the same area under 2 different names. this could create difference in the information for the same location.  We are not talking about the Arab world in this page. they were the once who named this part as Hind due to the Indus River by calling it Hindus River. As they did not have a pronunciation of "I" in their language they pronounced this as "H". This is the basic difference between Hind and India. Now as the constitution of India has officially called the region as India or Bharat, no other official word can exist as a name for the region. Today even if the Arab world still pronounces as Hind, It is written as India. Therefore I don't understand the requirement of a new article. May 30, 2011  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.249.59.165 (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the material in article Hindustan should be split between India, Names of India and Hindustani. Hindustan can be mentioned in India article as one of the alternative names of India, in Names of India the etymology be explained more in detail and in Hindustani issues such as Hindustani culture, music, etc., can be dealt with. Hindustan ought to be a redirect to India. --Soman (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: This article is fine as it is. Merging to India would be absurd, as this details do not belong in that article, which has so much more basic information to cover. Merging to Hindustani would make appropriate classification impossible. Postlebury (talk) 23:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No merger with India article. == == Yes merger with India article.

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindustan&diff=387487547&oldid=355792113 changed "rendered as Hindusthan" to "rendered as Hindustan". I've no idea if the original was correct, but the sentence now doesn't make sense:
"gave birth to the word Hindustan, which was rendered as Hindustan".
Since I don't know what's correct, I won't change it, but either it should be changed back to "Hindusthan" or the last clause should just be removed. CupawnTae (talk) 07:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindusthan? 

message: The following text-
An alternate and infrequently cited theory on the origin of the word Hindustan puts it further the back in time. This may be based on the Sanskrit shloka from the Barhaspatya Samhita of the Rigveda (ca. 1700-1100 BC): Himalyam Samarabhya
Yavadindusarovaram
Tam Deonirmitam Desham
Hindusthanam Prachakshate
Translation: The country which starts from Himalayas and the borders of which reach till the Indian Ocean (Indu Sarovaram), has been created by Gods and its name is Hindusthan.
looks dubious. It could be an attempt by some fringe right wing groups to create and perpetuate a myth. The above text could not have appeared in the Rigveda simply because the word 'Hindu' is of Persian origin. The Sanskrit word was 'Sindhu'. If anything, Rigveda would have used 'Sindhusthan'.
The Rigveda is available online at WikiSource . If this text actually appears, the chapter number and hymn number should be mentioned.--Aayush18 (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked, the text does not appear anywhere in the Rig Veda.--Aayush18 (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubtful Text 

message: I suggest cross-referencing the article on Agra, the former capital of Hindustan.Penelope Gordon (talk) 06:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agra, former capital 

message: Could somebody find or create a map to illustrate the geographic area?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.137.247 (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I notice that despite this being an English page, the map is in Hungarian. Should this be changed since the map is labeled in a language other than that of this page or can it remain since the map's features are still there?
AnonymousMusician (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the map? 

message: Although the term Hindustan was historically used to refer to north/northwestern Indian subcontinent, it is widely used today as an alternative name for the Republic of India, along with Bharat. In fact, in common usage, this is likely to be one of the common meanings for this word. In Indian cinema, this is invariably the default meaning of the word .I plan to add a few lines pointing this out in the intro and the current usage section. Let me know if there are any issues regarding this. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right. The meaning of Hind, Hindustan and India all changed simultaneously in 1947, moving from the entire subcontinent to the Republic of India. I can't find anybody who thought about why or even noticed that it has happened. But it did happen. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That is already discussed in the article. We have an entire section devoted to the newer and alternate meanings in addition to a disambiguation page. In the Dutch language it means all of South Asia. But centuries old usage of the term is what must come first. What more do you want? How many times must I repeat myself?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is the English language wikipedia, not Dutch. And in the English language today, Hindustan is a commonly used synonym for the Republic of India. There is a Hindustan Motors, Hindustan Petroleum, Hindustan Times and other English names referring to companies and English language newspapers that concern themselves with the Republic of India. There is no wikipedia (or any encyclopedic for that matter) policy which says that 'centuries old usage term is what must come first'. You removed sourced, relevant content from wikipedia, and you need to explain why you did so. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 02:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Yes there is under WP:COMMONNAME. The historic geographic term has been around and is the original meaning of the word. Hindustan does not mean "India" in English. The English word is India. The meaning of this word in English is "land of the Indus" which encompasses much of eastern Pakistan, parts of North India and Nepal, so "India" is not the correct translation. I "removed sourced, relevant content" it's already in the article and what you did was remove a reliably sourced edit, fully cited and supported by the map. Are you not reading? Even some who use it to refer to "India" does not replace centuries old name. The English translation of the word is "land of the Indus". Please stop edit warring and pointing to a discussion you keep on ignoring.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 19:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hindustan is a synonym for India in English, this was in the references you removed. It is also evidenced by the names of companies like Hindustan Petroleum and English newspapers like Hindustan Times, where Hindustan refers to India. English dictionary entries clearly state that Hindustan is the Persian name for India, http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hindustan?s=t I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 20:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Neither of those references you provided say such a thing. You ignore not only my edit summaries, but my arguments in the discussion, remove reliably sourced edits and are inserting your own original research.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:38, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  NadirAli, first off please read talk page postings thoroughly. I linked the entry in the English language dictionary for the word Hindustan, where the very first meaning of the word clearly states that Hindustan is the Persian language name for India. The Lonely Planet source clearly points out the use of Hindustan as a synonym for India for various locations and businesses. See the use of the source here Hindustan Zindabad. Hindustan is used as a synonym for India in English widely and extensively. Here is another source, the Merriam Webster dictionary, that clearly says that Hindustan is used to refer to the Republic of India (among other meanings), https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hindustan I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 17:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

text:  , you are still not addressing the main reliable sources I have cited. The Merriam-Webster dictionary, dictionary.com, the Lonely Planet reference and the paper by Aparna Pande published in an academic journal. As the article Hindustan Zindabad points out, Hindustan Zindabad translates to "Long Live India" in current usage. You claim that the use of Hindustan for India is 'incorrect', do you have as many English language references to back that claim as have been provided to show that is used to refer to Republic of India in English ? I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 16:23, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe that the confusion here is caused by the relevant page in the Lonely Planet book not being available for public viewing any more. Here, however is the BBC, an authoritative English media source, clearly equating Hindustan and India. "Clad in a white tracksuit, our MC for the evening encouraged shouts of "Hindustan Zindabad!” (long live India!) from our side of the border," http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20150429-indias-bizarre-border-ritual I can replace the Lonely Planet source with this one if it works better. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 19:55, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

text:  I already pointed here that there is a distinction between The Republic of India and Hindustan. I did see dictionary.com and it states the Persian word for India, but that is not referring to the Republic of India, but the historic name which means Land of the Indus. I'll even quote the Persian term, cited in the article "More accurate is the modern Persian designation Hindustan, " land of the Indus," a name properly applying only to that part of the peninsula which lies between the Himalaya and Vindhaya ranges". The BBC source can be placed in the other usages section which already mentions that one of the usages of the word is The Republic of India. However in academia, there is a distinction between Republic of India and Hindustan (also mentioned and cited in the article), which existed for centuries and is the original and geographic meaning of the term. --NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  NadirAli, you keep referring to this article of de Tassy from 1875. It has no bearing on the current usage. Also, the meaning of "Hindustan" as the "land of Indus" is in the time of Darius I. It is not relevant either. You can create a section on historical meanings if you wish. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  . I have now created a section historical meanings. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current usage 

message: I am deleting this sentence fragment
I don't see any connection between Hindustan and the Indus River basis in these references. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not removed (see the last para), but it is likely to be, because I don't see the sources talking about "disciplines of Geography and History" (with capital "G" and "H" to boot). You might want to look for sources that support the claims. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:27, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted content 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Hindudesh. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 23:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hindudesh" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: "The Indian Armed Forces use the salutary version of the name, "Jai Hind" as a battle cry.".
I don't understand. "Salutary" means "healthy", "curative", etc. (from Latin salus = health). What has got to do with this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.249.60.11 (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salutary? 

message: British India before partition was Akhand Bharat. After partion of India it was separated as Bharat and Pakistan. If this fact is correct, why my edit is being reverted by other user? Anubhavklal (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can see in the linked article, Akhand Bharat is a recent (mid-20th century) term. Implying that this was historically synonymous with Hindustan is incorrect.RegentsPark (comment) 19:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before partition