Talk:Battle of Chesma

message: Regarding the complaint posted on the order of battle: The list badly needed to be wikified, and I tried to organize things by squadron (to avoid a duplicate long list of ships in the middle of the article). I did not realize the original order was important; my apologies. I have a long weekend vacation coming up; is no-one has fixed the article before i come back, I plan to put the ships back in a table with column headings as follows:
# Order
# Name
# Type
# Captain
# Squadron
# Comments
Will this do?
Sysin 15:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of battle 

message: :On 5 July, the battleships came into action in the order listed:
===Russia (Count Orlov)===
:*Orlov's squadron
:**Battleship:
:***Tri Ierarcha 66 (flag of Count Orlov, captain Greig)
:**Bomb Ship:
:***Grom 12
:*Spiridov's squadron 
:**Battleships:
:***Evropa 66 (captain Klokatchev)
:***Sv. Evstafii 68 (captain Kruse) - Blew up, 5 July
:***Tri Svyatitelya 66
:***Sv. Ianuarii 66
:***Rostislav 68
:**Frigate
:**Sv. Nikolai 26/38?
:*Elphinston's squadron
:**Battleships:
:***Ne tron menya 66
:***Saratov 66
:***Svyatoslav 84 (Elphinston)
:**Frigates:
:***Afrika 32
:***Nadezhda 32
:**Armed merchant ships possibly involved:
:***Sv. Pavel 8 (pink) or Potchtalon 14 (despatch vessel)
:***Graf Tchernyshev 22 (hired English)
:***Graf Panin 18 (hired English)
:***Graf Orlov 18 (hired English)
:*Other
:**Fireships: (about 718 guns, total)
:***? (Dugdale) - Sunk by 2 Turkish galleys, 7 July
:***? (Mackenzie) - Scuttled and attacked a ship already burning, 7 July
:***? (Ilin) - Scuttled, 7 July, burning 1 ship
:***? (Prince Gagarin) - Stayed out
:***A number of Greek armed merchant and pirate ships
===Turkey (Hosameddin)===
:Details uncertain - about 1300 guns total
:*Real Mustafa 84 (Hassan Pasha) - Blew up, 5 July
:*Rodos 60 - Captured, 7 July
:*? 100 (flag of Hosameddin?) - Burnt, 7 July
:*11-13 other battleships - Burnt, 7 July
:*6 frigates - Burnt, 7 July
:*6 xebecs - Burnt, 7 July
:*13 galleys - 8 burnt and 5 captured, 7 July
:*32 small craft - Burnt, 7 July
Andreww 06:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ships involved:

message: :Details uncertain - about 1300 guns total
:*Real Mustafa 84 (Hassan Pasha) - Blew up, 5 July
:*Rodos 60 - Captured, 7 July
:*? 100 (flag of Hosameddin?) - Burnt, 7 July
:*11-13 other battleships - Burnt, 7 July
:*6 frigates - Burnt, 7 July
:*6 xebecs - Burnt, 7 July
:*13 galleys - 8 burnt and 5 captured, 7 July
:*32 small craft - Burnt, 7 July
Andreww 06:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkey (Hosameddin)

message: I found a history of the Russian Navy with a page on the Battle of Chesma. This may be useful for fact checking and giving sources. Does anybody have better references? Andreww 23:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More info

message: It would be nice if someone actually pointed out exactly where in Ceshme this battle took place.  I have been going there for the summers for years, and there is no mention or trace of this catastrophy (depends on one's point of view I realize!) and I can not find any info where exactly this battle took place (not that I searched it that exhaustively).  All I know is that in most of the waters around Ceshme one can not anchor or dive, the area is protected.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.162.23 (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where exactly was it?