Talk:Cock rock

message: These guys totally qualify as cockrock. I'll find some lyric examples. PublicSecrecy 01:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Electric Six

message: I have been unable to find a reliable source that indicates the term was used in the 1980s as a synonym for glam metal. I wonder if anyone can help out here.--SabreBD (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally found one.--SabreBD (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 1980s Glam metal

message: "Cock rock is a term, typically used derogatively, to describe a style of rock music"
Citation for 'typically'?  The rest of the article does not address it being derogatory. 12.162.122.5 (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Derogatory?

message: To be honest the sources cited that this is a genre look a bit weak: a postgraduate journal and an unpublished thesis (the third one is a 505 deadlink at the moment). Notably the major writers who use the term do not use the term "genre", probably because cock rock is amorphous and has no internal identity. It is obviously a sociological description and not a genre in the sense that say blues rock or heavy metal music are. I also wonder why we are now adding a list of acts. Those listed are already in the article, which seems it bit pointless. Potentially this list would be massive, since it would include almost every rock band of the 1970s and 1980s and probably a lot from the 1990s as well.--SabreBD (talk) 19:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that this discussion is best split into two subsections since it covers two different topics — Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

text: It would seem this would be better classified as sub-genre, rather than a genre. It has specific characteristics within the larger context of hard/classic rock/heavy metal. Led Zeppelin is not easily classified to begin with; to classify them within this as a genre would (it seems to me) exclude them from the other genres. Ineed, it seems to me this is more of a performance characteristics rather than a genre or even sub-genre, but I would lean toward the latter. Just my opinion, based on the definition of genre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.244.96 (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

text: a) Quatro was not already in the article. b) Since the Characteristics section now defines cock rock quite closely, the list of artists may not, after all, become as big as you fear. However when it gets too big to be a section of the article it can always be moved into its own separate article and/or pruned — Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

text: It seems clear that initially, as you say, the definition of cock rock was amorphous and had no internal identity. However, Frith's definition in the Characteristics section is quite precise. Also, though in the past cock rock may have been "a synonym for" the hard rock genre, it is now defined much more tightly than hard rock. If hard rock qualifies as a genre, so should cock rock — Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree that it would be better to have stronger citations that cock rock is a genre; I only used academic sources that are downloadable free of charge. I have found what may be a stronger citation in Marion Leonard's book "Gender in the Music Industry: Rock, Discourse and Girl Power", , page 26:... This seems to throw into question Frith and McRobbie's (1990: 376) suggestion that 'the contrast between cock rock and teenybop is clearly something general in rock, applicable to other genres'. Had they selected other subgenres within rock they would perhaps have been faced with a more difficult task for analysis. It appears that we have Frith, McRobbie, and Leonard treating cock rock as a genre. Though I can access enough of Leonard's book to use it as a citation, it would be much better if someone could access the original Frith and McRobbie book that she quotes. Unfortunately I do not have access to it and, though there is a second edition of it (mainly by McRobbie), I could only read small snippets of the relevant section. Is anyone able to help by reading the original Frith and McRobbie book and adding a reference to it? Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for genre and list of acts

message: : a) Quatro was not already in the article. b) Since the Characteristics section now defines cock rock quite closely, the list of artists may not, after all, become as big as you fear. However when it gets too big to be a section of the article it can always be moved into its own separate article and/or pruned — Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Artists section

message: : It seems clear that initially, as you say, the definition of cock rock was amorphous and had no internal identity. However, Frith's definition in the Characteristics section is quite precise. Also, though in the past cock rock may have been "a synonym for" the hard rock genre, it is now defined much more tightly than hard rock. If hard rock qualifies as a genre, so should cock rock — Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it would be better to have stronger citations that cock rock is a genre; I only used academic sources that are downloadable free of charge. I have found what may be a stronger citation in Marion Leonard's book "Gender in the Music Industry: Rock, Discourse and Girl Power", , page 26:... This seems to throw into question Frith and McRobbie's (1990: 376) suggestion that 'the contrast between cock rock and teenybop is clearly something general in rock, applicable to other genres'. Had they selected other subgenres within rock they would perhaps have been faced with a more difficult task for analysis. It appears that we have Frith, McRobbie, and Leonard treating cock rock as a genre. Though I can access enough of Leonard's book to use it as a citation, it would be much better if someone could access the original Frith and McRobbie book that she quotes. Unfortunately I do not have access to it and, though there is a second edition of it (mainly by McRobbie), I could only read small snippets of the relevant section. Is anyone able to help by reading the original Frith and McRobbie book and adding a reference to it? Peter Loader (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for genre

message: This article would be more appropriate if it were merged with Glam metal. Benjamin5152414 (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with glam metal (hair metal)

message: ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.76.191.45 (talk) 22:06, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitesnake? 

message: "Cock rock" is a vulgar term that I've never seen used by someone who likes aggressive rock. Elvis Presley made sexual hip gyrations, as did many R&B singers. Were they "cock rock"? "Cockabilly"? It would be like calling today's pop diva music "c_nt rock". Look at Mick Jagger... are the Stones "cock rock"? I know some of the "big hair" bands strutted about like roosters, but that's not what is meant - "rooster rock". Given that the term "cock rock" is defined by the way the musicians move while performing, regardless of the type of music they are playing, it is preposterous to consider it a musical genre, because it cannot be classified by listening to it, only by watching a video or live performance.77Mike77 (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penis rock? 

message: How can a woman be classified as "cock rock"?77Mike77 (talk) 21:16, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quatro??? 

message: those are the sort of bands that I was expecting to see cited as examples as they fit that definition pretty well. 2603:6011:A400:4BC2:931:7A4C:3E61:2900 (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiss, Mötley Crüe, Poison, Warrant 

message: Can Steel Panther be considered a caricature of cock rock? David.Monniaux (talk) 06:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steel Panther