Talk:Norman Lowell/Archive 1

message: If you're contemplating labelling Norman Lowell as a "racist", "neo-nazi", "white supremacist" etc, I'm going to quote from Wikipedia's Naming Conventions page:
"When naming or writing an article about specific people or specific groups always use the terminology which those individuals or organizations themselves use." Drew88 19:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: This article was originally a propaganda exercise for Lowell and his Imperium Europa political party. I am trying to balance it by inserting other documented and sourced facts, some of which are admittedly not favourable to Lowell. There are many other contributions I intend to make, such as Lowell's habitual reference to Jews as 'Rodents' and his vitriolic attacks on all those who do not agree with him.
There is then the famous statement, made publicly on Smash TV, that Imperium Europa will colonise Mars!!!! (honest, he really said 'Mars')
--Avel2 08:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop using Wikipedia for propaganda 

message: Permit me to enter into the picture of the case regarding Norman Lowell.  I have been contributing to the Wikipedia on articles concerning Malta for years now.
Permit me to make the following reflections:
- An article has been created on this person, who was not even elected in Parliament. (Fine.)
- The content of the article is longer than the content of other articles of politicians, such as Edward Fenech Adami and Alfred Sant. 
- As far as I know he was not employed with BOV but with another bank
- The information in the article has no "citations". Very dubious statements
- Whats the importance of certain items such as the carrying of the sword?
These notes are solely a personal reflection on the article. Maltesedog 11:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My views 

message: So, post AfD, .. it seems like we should discuss some of these topics here, such as: "please don't re-add the following topics without (a) citing sources or (b) discussing on the talk page:    1. bank employment  2. colonization of mars 3. attributed quotes  etc.. ".     I am using this latest edit as an example, I don't have an opinion on whether it should be re-added,  I am just thinking of how other controversial articles manage these things.  「ѕʀʟ·✎」 15:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re-add of employment 

message: Most of the content here is plain slander and unfactual. most factual items have been taken out of context.
one example of slander is him being dismissed as a bank manager which certainly was not true.
the facts as from Norman Lowell's own mouth are:
 I am referred to as "dismissed from the bank". I was not, I resigned for a better job. This is common knowledge and a fact that come out in the records of the case. Also, not a penny went missing from the bank. Simply, an Italian used my signature to perpetrate fraud in Italy, that's all.
Where and when did he say that? Source please. Drew88 05:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  slander 

message: I am astonished that one person (Drew88) has been able to fight off any efforts to modify wording and adjust content in an article that is undoubtedly one of the most biased I have encountered on Wikipedia. If anyone is interested, please see the changes of mine he reverted and described as "vandalism". As I saw, astonishinh.
I am not interested in making this article biased AGAINST the subject but I must say - it seems Lowell is what most would consider a "crank" and at the moment this reads like he is a politician who is taken seriously and has considerable influence.
He undoubtedly isn't. For example, until I came along and made some edits, the article reads as if:
:(a) there had been a concerted effort to "ban" him from the mainstream media, as opposed to the more likely situation that he had simply been ignored due to lack of notability; and
:(b)he had enjoyed success in Euro elections when in fact he only secured a fraction of a percentage of the votes cast in Malta.
We can do better than this - just because this person is significant, a propaganda effort in his favour is surviving on Wikipedia. Lets add some balance. I have no interest in having this article deleted but I suspect that may be where this ends up. --SandyDancer 11:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased editing 

message: I am also proposing that the page on "Imperium Europa" be merged into this article - "Imperium Europa" appears to simply be the name chosen for Norman Lowell's election campaign in 2004, and although I am not denying it may well still exist as far as he and his supporters are concerned, we have been presented with no evidence of any real party structure independent of Lowell.
To use an analogy, Katie Price ran under the banner "For a Bigga and Betta Future" in the 2005 UK General Election, but that's a red link. Imperium Europa should be too.
If more evidence was needed, the website for Imperium Europa even serves as an advertisement for Lowell's own artworks. It seems to be more or less a personal homepage, perhaps representing his ambition to form a political movement and party. It can be discussed here, in the page about him (which I do not propose deleting).
The same applies to Viva Malta, for the same reasons.
--SandyDancer 22:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Imperium Europa]] and [[Viva Malta]] into this article