Talk:Gliding flight

message: "How can I soar with eagles if I am surrounded by Turkeys". Soaring is the art of not coming down whilst still coming down. A bit enigmatic, but simple. Gliders fly because they are descending, ALL THE TIME. If they stop descending then they descend very rapidly, i.e. Stall. What the Americans call Soaring is still only gliding, they just do it in rising air more often than us Brits.
:Gliders can actually do loop-the-loops and so forth. They are not limited to always descending, and can gain altitude (without soaring) and without stalling. However, they are constantly losing energy (except where they are able to soar successfully).- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 23:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A peace was negotiated on Feb 18 and some page moves and splits were undertaken. See the Talk:Glider archives for details. In my opinion several of the articles have been significantly improved in that time. In the meantime, contributions to the articles are always very welcome, and its good to see new faces. I'm archiving the older talk page sections. Regards AKAF (talk) 20:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: What do people think about splitting this article into two, i.e. Gliding flight (humans) and Gliding flight (animals)?__DrChrissy (talk) 13:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong oppose No reason was given for this proposal. Gliding by animals is very similar to gliding by aircraft, especially types of lift used and the principle of the glide angle. There should be no confusion by having it all in one article and splitting it would result in duplication. There are interesting comparisons between the glide angles of birds and aircraft which would be lost by a split. Furthermore the article is not so big as to require a split. JMcC (talk) 15:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply Apologies for not giving a reason for the suggested split.  I am a biologist, and when I came to this article I was expecting much more material on gliding, non-human animals (for instance, the wor "pagium" is not even mentioned.  I feel there could be considerably more information added regarding this, and others might see the same for human gliding. So, I was looking to the future. In addition, there seems to be a trend toward splitting articles about behavioural activities into human and non-human articles.  I feel this is one of those.  Regarding duplicity, this simply cannot be avoided when splitting articles this way - but a little duplication can be tolerated.__DrChrissy (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't suggested "duplicity" would be a problem, just "duplication". I have no idea what "pagium" is. If it is as significant as you suggest, it deserves an article on its own. The article was intended to describe the physics of gliding flight in all its forms. Human gliding is thoroughly described in several articles such as gliding, paragliding and hang-gliding, as are the individual animals. This article should not have a detailed description of any single aircraft or animal because it attempts to unify the principles that affect all gliding, but if you want to insert a short description and a link to a detailed article on Pagium then that would be OK in my opinion. JMcC (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi.  In researching ways of expanding this article from the animal perspective, I think the article containing the information I expected is already contained in Flying and gliding animals.  So, I withdraw my suggestion for a split of this article.  I appreciate that not every gliding animal should appear in this article, but I think what might be interesting to the reader is examples of the different ways in which animals achieve gliding e.g. wings/feathers, body attachments, body shape changes.  Do you agree? I have already added some, and I will add some others in time.  By the way, it is not "pagium" but "patagium" - completely my fault as it was my typo.  And there is an article on Patagium.__DrChrissy (talk) 18:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

text: I have no problem if you added information on the different ways in which animals achieve gliding e.g. wings/feathers, body attachments, body shape changes. Aircraft usually do it with wings: some rigid, some flexible, while some wings can change shape using flaps to change the amount of lift. There are also Lifting bodies. JMcC (talk) 11:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: Although this curve illustrates that total drag is the sum of induced drag and form drag, it misrepresents that the minimum total or combined drag occurs at the point of interception of induced drag and form drag.  Although it is possible for this case to occur, it is an isolated case.  The minimum of the sum of two functions or curves occurs where the slope of the sum is zero which occurs when the slopes of the two curves are equal and opposite, not where they intersect. Although the example induced drag curve and the example form drag curve are depicted to have equal slopes at their intersection, this is not normally the case.  And, because of this symmetrical depiction, it is possible to mislead the viewer into thinking that you can find the minimum by locating the intersection, which is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E73:8930:47C:6751:2E03:A0BD (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: A suggested addition to the glide ratio template:  
* Sugar glider  |  Arboreal locomotion  |  1.82
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:(I have no clue as to how to edit this into the template) 2606:A000:1126:28D:C6D:29BD:7CD3:A312 (talk) 07:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Now updated template JMcC (talk) 10:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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message: Specifically, this section. Could anyone please tell me some good links for citations? I'm not sure which one to use on the Draco page, or how much info I should include.--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done JMcC (talk) 08:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section should probably include info about lizards of genus ''Draco''