Talk:Magatama

message: This article is not accurate. Magatama in Japan can be found at the number of prehistoric sites beyond Yayoi and Kohun period, as far as 5,000 years ago into Jomon period. 
Magatama are the comma shaped jewels of the Kofun period which were generally made of Jadeite(Jade) which is only produced around Itoi River in Nothern Central Japan (and a part of Myanmar). Magatama is also made of other materials such as cristals, glass, and Nephrite (cheap Jade), and the evidences show that Magatama in Korea were all imported from Japan in the later period.
The discovery of magatama at the sites of rituals and festivals as well as many isolated discoveries leads us to believe that these objects were not thought of as mere ornaments but rather as a spirit possessing tool.
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thread_title: Comments

message: Open-box:  I'm not going to put back the "" in this article but your citations don't really back up the assertion that "Some think that magatama originated in Japan before spreading to the Asian continent through Korea."  And since the Keally quote says the majority of archaeologists believe that comma-shaped beads originated in Korea and was transmitted to Japan, the "some" in that sentence must mean the minority of archaeologists or should at least be defined.
All that the Britannica article says is that comma-shaped beads have been found in Neolithic sites in Japan.  It doesn't assert, one way or another, where the beads originated and the path of their transmission.  Perhaps you could infer support for the sentence but Britannica doesn't make that judgment explicitly and since the Metropolitan Museum of Art attests that comma-shaped beads have been found in Korea at Neolithic dated sites, perhaps basing ones claim on a weak inference might not be helpful to ones argument.  Similarly, your other citation simply says that clay magatama have been found at the carbon date of 5,000 B.P.  No mention of origin or path of transmission.  
I would, personally, feel better if you cited a credible, English source that backed up the claim explicitly and thus would make the article better but that is only my hope.  Thanks!  Tortfeasor 22:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: Removed this statement: "This seems to have led most archaeologists to conclude that the magatama originated in Japan"
The statement is incorrect since the source never actually says that. The source does suggest it as an alternate view, as a response to the original quote, which is "This fact seems to have led most archaeologists to conclude that the magatama originated in Korea."
Intranetusa (talk) 15:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: There are apparently two ICP magatama: a necklace at the Hakutsuru Fine Art Museum (1) and these ?komochi magatama?  at the Tottori Prefectural Museum (鳥取県立博物館) (2) If you check out 子持勾玉 on google images these look quite interesting, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant. I'll add them. Thanks always. Prburley (talk) 14:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus these bling ones excavated in Okinawa (沖縄県斎場御嶽出土品): , Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  komochi magatama 

message: Dear anonymous IP: 68.174.170.35. Please read the following references re: replicas of sword/mirror of Imperial regalia. Which actually belong in the anemic Imperial Regalia of Japan article, not in magatama.
:“They are said to have been passed from emperor to emperor until the 9th century, when replicas of the sword and mirror were made for the emperor to keep in his possession. The original mirror and sword are purportedly kept at the Ise and Atsuta shrines, respectively, where they are the most famous of the sacred objects known as shintai. The original curved jewels are purportedly kept in the Imperial Palace, along with the replicas of the mirror and sword. The replica sword was lost in the Battle of Dannoura in 1185 and was replaced shortly thereafter.) The replica mirror, three times damaged by fire, is enshrined in the Kashikodokoro (Place of Awe), one of the three palace shrines.—Encyclopedia of Japan.”
:“宮中にあった鏡は天徳四年（九六〇）・寛弘二年（一〇〇五）・長久元年（一〇四〇）と三度の火災に遇って原形を失い、わずかにその灰を集めて辛櫃に収めた といわれている。文治元年（一一八五）安徳天皇とともに海に沈んだが、浮かび出て再び帰京。この前後から宮中内侍所において天照大神の御魂代として祀られ ているが、内侍所の起源は詳かでない。神剣も同時に海中に没したので、一時昼御座剣を代用し、のちさらに伊勢の神主より上る宝剣を神剣と定めた。--国史大辞典”
:「神鏡」は、
:「村上天皇の天徳四年九月二十三日（西暦九六〇年）」
:「一條天皇の寛弘二年十一月十五日（西暦一〇〇五年）」
:「後朱雀天皇の長久元年九月九日（西暦一〇四〇年）」
:・・・など平安中期に三度も火災にあって被害をうけ、そのつど修復しましたが、灰燼とはならず、かろうじて形を保ちました。ただしこの時代に再度新しい「神鏡」を造ったとも解釈でき、そのため、現在の皇居賢所に奉斎されている「神鏡」には、推定三世紀の第十代崇神天皇の御宇の新造を修復したものと、平安期に新造したものと、二面がある――という話が書かれた本もあります。
:つぎに、「神剣」が失われてしまった大事件について、記します。[…]結局、いくら探しても見つからずに終わってしまいました。いまでも瀬戸内海に沈んだ小さな金属を探すなど、至難の技だから、無理もありません。--「三種の神器」の心（オロモルフ） Prburley (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replicas of sword/mirror Imperial regalia

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