Talk:Mas Oyama/Archive 1

message: I think it would be offensive to him and his parents who named him Choi Yeong-Eui not to use both names as much as you can. Even in Japan, it was highly publicized that he liked to be called Bae-dal (which was the Korean pronounciation of Mas Oyama read in Hanja). How justified is it to say he liked to be called Mas Oyama when he initially used a Japanese name in Japan because of the prejudices in that country against Koreans. Many Koreans living in Japan today will use a Japanese name cause they fear getting fired from their jobs if they use of Korean name.
:Whatever.  This article is for the entire on-line community, not just (or specifically) for Mas' parents.  However, I think the article as it is right now is on the right track, but definitely needs more input, especially verifiable, referenced information on Mas' life.  By the way, why don't you sign-in with a user account and user name and sign your posts to this discussion page? Cla68 12:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone just made an edit to the article that shows Oyama's nationality in a way that I hadn't thought of before.  In 1923, when Oyama was born, Korea was actually part of Japan (the Japanese Imperial Empire). Cla68 11:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Choi Yeong-Eui vs Masutatsu Oyama

message: I saw what happened when someone cut and past a Mas Oyama article onto Wikipedia. But why didn't anyone just revert it back to the way it was instead of starting a new article? The original Wikipedia article way ten times better and rewriting it was an absurd idea. Back then I didn't know how to use Wikipedia or else I would have reverted it myself. -xx.124.113.216
:What happened to the old article? Shawnc 00:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though there's some garbage in this entry as it's written now (someone keeps putting the Oyama legendary stuff in there as if it's fact even though a lot of it is probably false), there are still some good stuff that's been placed on there, like the article outline, some of the references, the bio info box, and his name written in Japanese and Korean characters.  So if you want to revert back to an older version, instead, I would suggest copying the text you like from the older version and adding it to this newer version, editing it so it fits, and then save it. Cla68 12:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I undeleted the history (and also moved your request to the proper section. It looks like a fix of the cut-and-paste that the admin accidentally forgot to complete. Sorry for the inconvenience, I'm sure he was just interrupted in Real Life before he could complete the move. Please let me know if you see any othe problems. --Deathphoenix ʕ 13:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who's idea was this?

message: Someone (it wasn't me) deleted the text about Oyama fighting and killing bulls, stating that is'a bunch of hoo-ha.  I believe that his bull fighting exhibitions should be mentioned, but need to be accompianied by an inline citation to a credible source.  That should keep them from being deleted.  I think there's a website that has actual video of Mas fighting and knocking down a bull.  If you can find it, that should be a credible source, among others that should be available. Cla68 23:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to delete it now; I didn't realize it was deleted before.  The reason I and deleting it is that it is just taken verbatim from [] which explicitly has a copyright.
There is a website that has a video that everyone here has seen of Oyama fighting one young bull that is restrained at the head, otherwise known as a bridled calf.  Adult bulls are far larger than that.  If you want to post that he beat one calf then go ahead.  Or find a credible source for the more outlandish claims.  I just wish people would stop posting this "killed most of them in one blow" crap.  What does that even mean?  That he only hit them once?  That seems unlikely since these same people also claim that he would chop of a horn with his first blow.  Oyama did many impressive things in his life, it would be insulting to him to resort to half truths and embellishments to make him look better.  207.161.3.28 04:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: One problem is that Oyama never tried to refute any of the of outlandish stories told about him.  People would repeat these tales, and Oyama would reportedly just stand there, nodding and smiling.  It doesn't mean that these legends and tall tales can't be written in the article, but they should be in a separate section titled "Oyama legends" or "unverified feats" or something like that. Cla68 04:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oyama's Bull Fighting Legacy

message: as a man of neutral background...it surprises me to see so many anti-semitism and anti-Korean point of views on many articles of Wikipedia.
however before attacking on my personal view, please think about the way most of you think..
i think it is quite shameful to see many people (usually non-German or non-Japanese) tend to think any story/article relating to Japan and Germany's warcrimes and their ethnic bashing/ethnic cleansing as being pro-Korean or pro-Semitism...i know it may be hard for you guys to think such things happened in the past but they did.
still many zainichi, Chinese nationals of Japan and Turks of Germany and British Asians suffer from hidden abuses...(inequality, ijime etc)
and just because you're interested in Japanese/German culture that doesn't mean you have to worship them and defend their crimes as well.
you shouldn't have too much sympathy for the oppressors and admit to their mistakes in the past
202.37.68.16 06:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before anyone considers responding to this, please be aware that this anonymous editor may be a sock puppet for a notorious POV-pusher whose account was given a long-term ban.  Of course, this anonymous editor is free to sign-in and sign the message above with his account name to prove that I'm wrong, if I am. Cla68 14:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism and anti-Korean 

message: "was said that he shaved one of his eyebrows so he would not leave the mountains."
Ok, so what exactly does this mean? Fred26 10:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "was said that he shaved one of his eyebrows so he would not leave the mountains." 

message: :Image:Kyokushin way.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kyokushin way.jpg

message: :Image:Sosai3.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sosai3.jpg

message: In Korean its written "소내주"  he was Korean trained together with Mas Oyama.
The article mentions "So Nei Chu (소네이쥬, 1907-?)" but it's uncited. This does not seem like a typical Korean name; it seems more like a Japanese name written in hangul. Can anyone cite this? Otherwise, we need to remove it. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So Nei Chu (소네이쥬, 1907-?) 

message: Historical Accuracy: Japanese Military occupation of Korea ( More Accurate).  Average Japanese Joe Smo down the street didn't occupy Korea. It was Japanese Military
Regime. Koreans have fought 36 years from Japanese Military Regime Occupation not from average Japanese down the street.
During the time frame of his birth in Korea, Korea was officially annexed by Japan (i.e. Korea was considered as part of the Japanese empire, Koreans were Japanese citizens, at least on paper) and not a colony. I think the first paragraph should be changed to provide more accuracy to the entry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.253.243.157 (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonization of Korea vs. Annexation of Korea... 

message: in my opinion 1994-1922 = 72 not 70.
88.77.0.17 (talk) 20:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: not Bobby lowe. It is Japanese student. His name is Kyosuke Machida.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by イケメン大王 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The oldest student