Talk:Hyperlink cinema

message: Wait, how is Reservoir Dogs hyperlink cinema? As far as I can remember it all revolves around the 5 main characters, and they're all together right from the beginning. Luvcraft 15:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Asbestos here, I think anything taken from a guys blog should not be on here. I looked at his page and he is in no way an expert in the field, he makes websites. Also can anyone find the review of Happy Endings by Alissa Quart? It would be nice to have the origin of this phrase as a source.Gorkymalorki 06:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization 

message: Would 'Independence Day', directed by Roland Emmerich, be considered a hyperlink film?
:"The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth."  Find an authoritative source stating it is, and you can add it.  If there's no such source, don't. Chuck 21:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ID4 

message: Hi! Since the characters' lives are being portrayed in somewhat parallel narratives which intersect at certain points, would this be a good example of the aforementioned category? Thanks! Heavenstorm 22:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't think it is--I would call it an anthology rather than a hyperlink film (and yes, I'm aware that characters from each storyline appear in the others, but they don't really interact), but admittedly that's a very fuzzy line. But I'm no film critic so what I think isn't really relevant.  Is there an authoritative source that says Sin City is an example of hyperlink cinema? If so, go ahead and add it to the article, and cite the source, and you'll already be ahead of the other examples here. Chuck 21:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sin City 

message: Everyone is putting in pictures that have flashbacks or more than two plot lines—technically, this would include Stars Wars and Citizen Kane. I'm going to prune off the spurious examples, because they're that—spurious. Hope no-one has a cow.--TallulahBelle 20:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many examples 

message: Undoubtedly a great film, Magnolia isn't quite a Hyperlink film, principally because two of the defining characteristics of the genre—abrupt visual breaks based on cinematography and mise en scene, and globe spanning story lines—are missing. The same of course could be said of Happy Endings—however, that film is included in the list because it was the film that originated the concept. --TallulahBelle 13:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Magnolia is also in the original coining of the phrase, the link to the creators article is http://www.alissaquart.com/articles/2005/08/networked_don_roos_and_happy_e.html I think that after reading this, there needs to be a rewrite of this article, The definition that is on the Hyperlink cinema page is that of a bloggers and needs to be removed and rewritten according to the originators definition of the term.Gorkymalorki 03:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In progress. —Viriditas | Talk 00:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Magnolia'' and ''Happy Endings'' 

message: I removed the Third paragraph that was littered with citation tags. all of it was original research. Also The list needs to be cut down to only movies that have been identified as Hyperlink Cinema. The rest of them are original research and Listcruft. Those that have been identified by reliable sources are Happy Endings, Syriana, Magnolia, Crash, Opposite of Sex, Time Code, Nashville, Short Cuts and Nine Lives. All of those films have been named as Hyperlink Cinema by credible sources. If you want to add anything else to the list make sure that you have a reliable source calling it Hyperlink Cinema.Gorkymalorki 01:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found an article the Ebert says that City of God, Amores Perros, and Cape of good hope are also Hyperlink Cinema.Gorkymalorki 02:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: :"Hyperlink cinema is often characterized by globe-spanning locations, multiple languages, and frequent though unannounced use of flashback and flashforward."
I have to doubt its veracity. While I'm sure this is true of some films, it certainly isn't true of all films with multiple unconnected storyarcs about different people which effect one another. Atropos 07:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I must have missed that one when editing out the unsourced material a couple of days ago. I took care of it. Gorkymalorki 08:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This line 

message: Unless you can find an article from a reliable source saying that a movie is part of the hyperlink cinema genre, do not add it please. I am trying my hardest to keep this page free of any unsourced info. Most people add Pulp Fiction to here, but Pulp Fiction is considered an Anthology film. Gorkymalorki 01:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Pulp Fiction, at least all the threads interact (e.g. most storylines involve Marcellus), unlike Gomorra. Remove Gomorra. Sunnan (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Stop Adding Unsourced Movies

message: I have to question the current definition. "Multiple story lines, multiple (and international) locations, multiple characters, use of radically different cinematography and mise en scène to define each story line..."
In Crash:
The film is set solely in L.A
While different cinematography is employed, it is far from separating story-lines. (Halation is used frequently across all story-lines and is to make viewers physically uncomfortably, and definitely not to 'define each story-line.')  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.133.65 (talk) 10:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I used to have this article pretty well maintained and I had all that stuff deleted but someone kept putting it up faster than I could delete it, and then I took a wikibreak and came back to check on this page and it has really gotten way out of context. Gorkymalorki 04:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash does not fit 

message: "...though its development can be traced back to the beginning of cinema, starting from 1975." This may be a little pedantic, but I somehow doubt the accuracy of this statement. Cinema existed a long time before 1975...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.133.65 (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pedantic? 

message: Roger Ebert just provided his own official definition for the Hyperlink Film two days ago on his website  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.9.98 (talk) 21:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebert Definition 

message: This one is definitely a hyperlink film, but the closest thing I can come up with to a source is Roger Ebert's review (at http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20020118/REVIEWS/201180303/1023) which compares it to Short Cuts and Magnolia. Would this be enough? 202.168.103.248 (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be OK with that as a reference justifying its inclusion here. Chuck (talk) 23:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added the film. dissolvetalk 00:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Lantana (film)|Lantana]]

message: Is there any rule that says a Hyperlink film can't be a romantic comedy? Because Love Actually would seem to qualify.
The other thing is my source, http://tischfilmreview.com/blog/2008/12/29/i-need-to-know-who-he-is-the-search-for-certainty-in-david-fincher’s-zodiac/. Technically, he's using Love Actually to question the broad criteria of the genre, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. 203.208.67.34 (talk) 06:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a similar proposal for Playing by Heart (1998), which is undoubtedly a hyperlink movie. Lhw1 (talk) 07:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Love Actually]]

message: Should we add sections for these,  considering that 24 is already mentioned as an example? Other shows that would seem to qualify are Six Degrees and Heroes (I have a source  for Heroes which describes it as "X-Men meets Magnolia." Especially the first season, which often feels like one 16-hour Hyperlink Movie which would not get boring if watched from beginning to end.
As for literature, Middlemarch is the only one that comes to mind, but I don't have a source for it yet. 203.208.67.34 (talk) 03:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyperlink TV/Literature

message: I don't think The Player really counts - from memory, Griffin Mills appears in pretty much every scene, and every scene is to do with the blackmail, the murder investigation or the movie Habeas Corpus. 203.208.67.34 (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Player

message: Without wanting to get into the debate about the definition of hyperlink cinema, is it worth mentioning here that Traffic (which was written by Stephen Gaghan who later also wrote Syriana, both commonly mentioned as prominent hyperlink films), was based on Traffik, the 1989 British television serial/mini-series which already featured three different stories taking place in different countries?
The series is always credited as the source material for the film, but should this article also acknowledge it as an influence on the style of hyperlink cinema?  --129.215.4.116 (talk) 14:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Traffik]] (1989 TV miniseries) 

message: No_country_for_old_men?--x1987x(talk) 17:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It didn't come off as a hyperlink film to me.  But then, what I think doesn't matter; the question is, is there a reliable source stating that No Country for Old Men is a hyperlink film? Chuck (talk) 20:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[No_country_for_old_men]]? 

message: I would vote to include Go, Magnolia and (reluctantly) Sin City. In response to a previous poster's points about Magnolia I would argue that Hyperlink cinema doesn't necessarily need to include global storylines (Pulp Fiction and Amores Perros don't...) and I would argue that it does use abrupt visual breaks to switch between storylines.
I would vote NOT to include:
Timecode - fantastic as it is there are, by definition, no jumps in time and all characters are related to each other through a central point of interest.
City of God - very centered around one character, I can't understand how this is hyperlink cinema. If it is then so is Goodfellas...
Reservoir Dogs - all characters are related to the same crime.
No Country for Old Men - WHAT!?!?
Love Actually - no jumps in time. Also my mind can't cope with having this in the same list as Inarittu's death trilogy...
:It's not a vote. Whether a film is listed here as a hyperlink film depends on whether there's a reliable source that says it's a hyperlink film, not whether 58 Wikipedia editors "vote" that it is and 53 "vote" that it is not.Chuck (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: After Hours had a citation to Roger Ebert's review, which says it "could be called" a hypertext film.  I'm pretty sure Roger Ebert constitutes a reliable source when it comes to film criticism.  You are free to add The Big Lebowski as a hypertext film as well if there's a reliable source that says that it is one. Chuck (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In or out? 

message: I wanted to ask if there was a deliberate exclusion of Christopher Nolan's early films, that would seem to fall within the realm of hyperlink cinema.  Sticking with the focus on multi-linear storytelling and non-traditional narrative structure, I think the Prestige and Inception might be considered "Hyperlink Cinema".  
Many of his other films (Following, Memento) perhaps overly focus on the development of one character, but I am surprised there is no mention.  Open to opinions on the topic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amiaheroyet (talk • contribs) 19:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely agree with you that Memento seems like an obvious fit. I also wish that there was a differentiation made between an Anthology film and a Hyperlink film in this article like the one in Anthology film. Vctrbarbieri (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Memento is a single story about a man with memory problems, told backwards, with occasional flashbacks.  How is that obviously hyperlink?  In any case, can we please agree that nothing goes in the list unless there is a reliable source that supports it going there?  There are too many films on this list based on a reference which turns out to be a review only.  I've started pruning but this is job for someone who also speaks Turkish (a few are there purely on the say-so of one of Turkey's scholar-critics, assuming that the WP editor is a fluent reader of Turkish and got his ref's right.  Pretty shaky: he or she provided no page numbers, etc., to the book cited.  Another film was there based on an interview with the director, but the director was talking about all his films and there was practically nothing in the interview related to this.  One more thing: the list does not have to be "complete" (no such list ever can be: can you list "all" the tragedies ever written--what would be the point?), it just has to give a few solid examples.  ZarhanFastfire (talk) 06:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christopher Nolan's Filmography 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The lead sentence makes no sense at all. "Hyperlink cinema is a style of filmmaking characterised by complex or multilinear narrative structures, which are used in ways that are informed by the World Wide Web" That is patent gibberish. It needs explaining and expanding Sirhissofloxley (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What?

message: I've always enjoyed films of this kind and didn't have a descriptor to look up more like them. It would have helped if, for instance,  Disconnect (2012 film) said something like "Disconnect is a 2012 American psychological drama hyperlink film".
Should we add this term, at least to films that most hyperlink? 
We could start with the films mentioned by the film reviewer in the article where this term was coined back in 2005: Happy Endings, Crash, Magnolia etc. Antrikshy  (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Describe films as "hyperlink" in their individual article intros?