Talk:Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor

message: I removed the previous birthplace, as per what I read in the source given. --Attilios (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace

message: I have a book here (The Two Cities, Barber, 2004) that lists Otto's excommunication as of 1210, just as he entered Sicily. Any thoughts?
--12:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Excommunication date

message: "Otto became a friend of Richard I of England, who attempted to make him Earl of York in 1190, and, through marriage with Margaret, king of Scotland.[6] Both attempts failed, "
Was it not possible for King Richard to have appointed Otto as Earl or York ?   Was the approval of anyone else required for this ?  I think not.   So how did the attempt "fail" ?? Eregli bob (talk) 08:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Typically, international politics of this time in Europe were very often sealed by a marriage between nobility of the states involved, so, no, the English peers probably would have wanted to see a compact of marriage to appoint a duke. 104.169.35.251 (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre claim 

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message: Was Otto's coronation as Holy Roman Emperor on 4 October or 21 October? It seems the latter date has been used for most of this article's history, on the authority of Abulafia's New Cambridge Medieval History (1999, p. 131).
However, according to a footnote in Alexander's Three crises in early English history (1998, p. 123), it was October 4th, and an edit was made to reflect this (although not in the infobox) early last year. 
Obviously both of these dates can't be correct. I have changed it back to the 21st, given that seems to be the date reflected in most online sources, and the Cambridge Medieval History does seem in my opinion (for what that's worth) to be a work of slightly greater scholarly authority, but having tracked down both cited works, neither seems to give a source for either of the two dates. Is anyone able to find any primary sources to verify which date is correct? Katechon08 (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see 4 October date much more. Its on the German Wiki and in the NDB. See GBooks. Otto did make a solemn promise on that date (primary source). Srnec (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of coronation 

message: It seems reasonable to merge the stub June 1198 imperial election to this page, for context. Klbrain (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rather merge it with March 1198 imperial election into a single article on the double election. Srnec (talk) 21:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

text: I agree. 2601:43:0:36:0:0:0:65 (talk) 10:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: According to Van Cleve, The Emperor Frederick II of Hohenstaufen, Otto "clung tenaciously to his imperial title, defending to the last his right to wear the crown." Many other works could be cited that give his regnal dates as 1209–1218. The body of the article says nothing about his abdication/deposition. Paul Pixton, The German Episcopacy, explains that a papal council deposed Otto in 1212 and confirmed Frederick II's election in 1215. Srnec (talk) 02:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that his reign is disputed. Perhaps abdicated is the wrong word, but I notice in the article in the section titled "Conflict with Innocent III" that it says "Because Otto was forced again to withdraw to his private possessions around Brunswick, this defeat allowed Frederick to take Aachen and Cologne, and so Otto was deposed in 1215." with the Encyclopedia Britannica cited as a source. Perhaps you want to correct that also noting somewhere in the article that his reign is disputed. VFF0347 (talk} 02:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of reign 

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