Talk:Football/Archive 11

message: As far as I knew, International rules football was a hybrid code, just like Austus and Universal football.  What makes it belong in the Irish and Australian varieties of football.  it has been around for less than 50 years and has no leagues or clubs of any substance.  --Spewmaster 01:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It belongs there because it is a hybrid of Gaelic and Aussie rules, which are the main games in that "family". The reason why it has no clubs or leagues it that it exists only for games between the two codes. Its significance is had to dispute when you consider that this year it set a crowd record for international sport in Ireland, with 82,127 people at Croke Park. Grant65 | Talk 03:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears to be a lot of people.  Is there a way of objectively analyzing a sport's contribution to the economy by measuring ticket sales?  Ignoring free admissions, and off-site peripheral economic activities, would it be fair to say that 82,127 admissions was roughly comparable to $500,000 US dollars?  Would it be fair to say that that sum was matched by businesses on the periphery, such as hotels and motels, snackfood vendors and the like?  In short, perhaps $1,000,000 US dollars?  How much of the admissions was returned to the leagues and co-sponsors organizing it? 198.177.27.32 22:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of the scope of this article.GordyB 22:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hybrid Codes 

message: Would anyone object to the "Other developments in the 1850s" being replaced with a section on the rise of club football. I suggest this because it has become a poor section where general facts about the decade seem to collect. Meanwhile the rise of club and inter-club football is completly ignored. It was clubs which subsequently pushed for common codes, created the FA and gave rise to paying spectators and ultimatly professionalism. Documenting this specific part of the culture rather than a random decade would improve the article. josh (talk) 19:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the facts collected there are important, and would be totally opposed to them being deleted. They could possibly be better organised.  The rise of clubs is covered pretty well by Oldest football club and the earliest clubs in each code are also mentioned in this article. Grant65 | Talk 15:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace 1850s section 

message: Sections 2.2.10 and 3.1 ought to be ammended. Firstly, Ireland ought to be included in those countries listed whereby football (often) refers to another sport other than Association Football (Soccer). In rural areas, the term Football soley refers to Gaelic Football and the Irish media use a convention whereby Association Football is referred to as 'Soccer' and Gaelic Football as just that.
The origins of Gaelic Football predate the 19th Century as the post implies. This addition ought to be made:
The first mention of football in Ireland is found in 1308, where John McCrocan, a spectator at a football game at Newcastle, County Dublin was charged with accidentally stabbing a player named William Bernard.
The Statute of Galway of 1527 allowed the playing of "foot balle" and archery but banned "'hokie' [sic] — the hurling of a little ball with sticks or staves" as well as other sports. However even "foot-ball" was banned by the severe Sunday Observance Act of 1695, which imposed a fine of one shilling (a substantial amount at the time) for those caught playing sports. It proved difficult, if not impossible for the authorities to enforce the Act and the earliest recorded inter-county match in Ireland was one between Louth and Meath, at Slane, in 1712.
The first references to the nature of play was in 1670: the ball may be held and struck either hand or foot. Often referred to as peil (see modern Peil Gaelach).
Football was thought to have been introduced into Ireland by the Normans in the 12-13th centuries and was predominantly played in the south and east of the country. There were no references to Football in the Brehon Laws (Fénechas).
Caid refers not to a specific code of football but the equipment used i.e. the ball. The Field Game as it was played in Kerry was the principal basis for that code of football played by the Limerick club, Commercials, upon which Maurice Davin is thought to have drawn inspiration. It was a pitch-based, field game composed of two opposing teams that took turns defending a 'goal', which comprised the boughs of two stripped trees tied to one another in the characteristic 'H'. Different scores were indicated depending upon whether the ball was driven above or below the bar.
Gaelic Football is similar to Australian-Rules Football, although their common origin is disputed. What is not in dispute, however, is that the Irish of Victoria played football (noted in 1843). Also, most Irish convicts at that time were either Rebels (or their descendents) from the 1798 Rebellion and thus predominantly from the south-east of Ireland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martan32 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaelic Football