Talk:Underdog

message: Could do with some mention of the psychology of favoring the underdog. 80N 10:05, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
:Do you mean with respect to betting? Ground 04:12, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article is missing the origin of the word and other historical details such as usage and alternative spelling. One reference  states it is from 1887.
Also I sometimes see it split in two words under dog, as in Agatha Cristie's story from 1926.
I have no idea how some of the totally inaccurate and off-base information gets posted on Wikipedia or how and why it is then accepted as fact, but the listed origin of the word "underdog" as a guy who gets covered in saw dust to explain why the word is used as a descriptive for a person, team, group, etc. not expected to win a contest is a good case-in-point example. While it may in fact be the origin of the word itself; it is not the origin of it's common usage. 
The actual origin of the now common usage of the word "underdog" is based on the legendary race horse Man o' War. (March 29, 1917 Nursery Stud farm, Lexington, Kentucky - November 1, 1947, Faraway Farm. Man o' War is still considered by many, if not most, experts to be the greatest thoroughbred racehorse of all time. During his career just after World War I, he won 20 of 21 races and set I believe three World Records.)
The only blemish on his near-perfect career on the track was a single loss that came as a complete surprise. The name of the horse who shocked onlookers when he inexplicably handed Man o' War his only career loss? You probably already figured it out. "Underdog".
Doesn't that make a little more sense than the sawdust origin?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jess symgai (talk • contribs) 06:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The origin of the word 

message: This article needs to cut down on the sports under dogs because some of them are ridiculous stretches especially the Astros
right, there is way too much recent underdogs...as if people add them because they saw it on TV or it concerns their favorite team.
I also suggets the addition Goran Ivanišević's 2001 wimbledon victory as a wildcard.ErnestC 18:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stretches 

message: The turtle [hare]; David [Goliath]; Rocky [Apollo Creed]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.177.62 (talk) 14:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous underdogs missing 

message: The list of underdogs is not particularly helpful. It could be millions of entries long in theory, so what is the criteria for the inclusion of these particular episodes? Maybe one entry in one or two different fields could be informative as examples (and these can be worked into the text), but really it just seems like an invitation for people to add their favorite upsets (for example, look at how many sports upsets since 2000 there are). I say remove it altogether. Any other opinions? Strikehold (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of underdogs 

message: I know there are lots of sports films with underdogs, but I think that it's important to add a section about film underdogs because of there popularity in films. Could or (should) someone create a section of film underdogs. 
That is if people think its relevant.
If you think its necessary someone else more experienced could make a separate list on film underdogs instead of adding on to this page, that is if you think it might bulk up this page to much and needs to be separated. 
First discuss if its relevant.
Suggestions include:
Rocky Balboa (Rocky Series)
Average Joe's Gym (Dodge ball)
Also In examples I Think you should add the Wiley College debate team. They were a African American debate team that challenged Harvard (a white team) it was the first time a Black/White debate occurred  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvernon199 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Underdogs In Films? And Wiley College Debate Team 

message: Considering the colonists were aided militarily by France, Spain and the Dutch, I don't really think this qualifies as an underdog moment. Britain defeating all four of them would have been the upset.
I also think it's dubious to call the Battle of Britain an underdog victory; regardless of being outnumbered, the RAF was fighting on home soil, had better doctrine and also Britain also out-produced Germany in terms of aircraft. The RAF were hardly underdogs --Allthestrongbowintheworld (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Revolution 

message: Jafeluv alerted me to WP:DABNAME (which recommends the ambiguous title if there's no primary topic), so I moved the page back to Underdog pending the outcome of the next RM. Miniapolis 23:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Underdog (disambiguation)]] moved back 

message: Infracaninophile redirects here, which makes sense - but then the article should help the (non-latinate) reader make sense of this.--Nø (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   Infracaninophile 

message: Please use this space to discuss the proposed merge of Cinderella (sports) into this article. Pinging , who initiated the proposal. Joyous! Noise! 02:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal