Talk:Odessa pogroms

message: Removed the JE entry due to 
*One century out of date secondary source
*non-NPV
*reproducing content of another encyclopedia
Added two new sources, numbers 2 and 3 in the notes.
Xenovatis (talk) 19:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding new sources, I hope that wiki page is and is going to stay reliable. However, I am restoring J.E. quotation. It is an important historical encyclopedic source and we mention its date. Note that historical encyclopedic sources may or may not fit to someone's idea of POV. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Encyclopedia

message: "In 1981, right after the begining of the Greek revolution in the Peloponese "
1891 maybe?  Could someone who knows, update it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.86.107 (talk) 15:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong date. 

message: Can anyone provide a good citation for the 1886 pogrom? I can only find http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/pogrom.htm but it is possible they take the info from Wikipedia. They do seem to cite Visualizing pogroms in Russian history by Robert Weinberg but the on-line edition is subscriber/pay only. Anyone?BobFromBrockley (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll find it here:  which is currently cite #3.  Сол-раз (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1886 

message: Testimony in the Mendel Beilis case, transcripts of which I am translating, suggest that private parties spent money on an investigation.  Or was that only the Kishinev pogrom?
71.163.114.49 (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1905 aftermath 

message: The lede currently contains the sentance: "According to Jarrod Tanny, most historians argue that the earlier incidents were a result of "frictions unleashed by modernization" rather than antisemitism.[2] The 1905 pogrom was markedly larger in scale and antisemitism played a central role".  This seems not quite right to me for a couple of reasons:
: Firstly, "Someone (not important enough to have their own article) says other people say" seems a bit too vague, particularly for the lede.  If there are lots of scholoars saying that, and little mainstream disagreement, then presumably we can just state that as fact, with references to back it up.  On the other hand, if scholarly oppinion is more divided, then we shouldn't just say "someone says opinion ish't divided" with no counterpoint.
: Secondly, and possibly more importantly, the cited text doesn't quite say what the lede says.  "Not a resurgence of medieval anti-Semitism and Judeophobia" is not the same as "not due to anti-semitism".  Modern and medieval antisemitism are - as I understand it - somewhat different beasts, derived from different prejudices.  The former tends to be "they're too poor/too rich and taking all our jobs" combined with "And they run the government!" conspiracy theories, whereas the latter tended to be "they killed Christ".  "Largely the product of frictions unleashed by modernization" is entierly compatible with the modern forms. 62.172.108.24 (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede 

message: The Bolshevik Piatnitsky is not a reliable source or trustworthy source or credible source. His long section critiquing the Tsarist government (a Bolshevik saying anything to criticise the Russian Empire, imagine my shock) should be removed, --2001:8003:59DB:4100:C866:73A5:A4AA:6EC3 (talk) 09:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No comments? I'll remove it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:59DB:4100:4D2E:5C6F:2EF6:10D (talk) 07:39, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1881-1906 section 

message: Following the changes on Odesa page, the page should be renamed. 00:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no WP:RM. For now, the spelling needs to be consistent with the title. Mellk (talk) 01:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article to Odesa pogroms