Talk:South Central Farm

message: Started the stub today, my first article for wiki. I'm collecting sources, and seeking help from individuals that have more experience and can maintain a Nuetral Point of View (NPOV).
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Califman831 03:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Thanks to those who have contributed.  Special thanks to the following:
:Dr. Peña who provided the plant list, reference documents, and inside knowledge of the SCF. 
:Mr. John McIntosh for the images and captions, who's work helps the article transend the confinds of screen text.  
:rockero citation formating, comments, and wiki-knowledge.
::Califman831 08:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: thanks to contributors

message: This part of the article needs major revision, possibly a time line of some sort.  
Califman831 08:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section

message: I added the  tag after reading this piece by Ralph Nader in Counterpunch; seems the shit is about to hit the fan in the next couple of days. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well there was speculation that the sheriff was holding out due to the elections. Califman831 07:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On KPFK they were speculating that they were holding off until the station's fund drive began (and would thus be unable to give the farm the coverage they normally do)... --Rockero 01:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current event 

message: SCF "is" an example of ER.  One of the main issues is the placement of the wharehouse or other industrial use in an area that is higly populated by poor minorities. This action by the city and the developer falls under the Category of ER.  
Califman831 23:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, why was the incinerator going to be placed there in the first place?--Rockero 01:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  The SFC is actually a really good example of what good can be done with land.  Its destruction also doesn't seem to be ER, as it is located in an area is zoned for industrial use, and has been so zoned for many years.  You could potentially argue that zoning an area that is highly populated by minorities as industrial is ER, but at that point all city-based industrial zones could be considered ER.  I do agree with Rockero that the incinerator proposal was a classic example of ER, however.  Maybe we could note that ER relates to that.  --Thalia42 01:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about more than the farm itself. It is about the history of the land and the community. That history is one of the people turning an environmentally-racist situation into something positive. It is also the history of a changing community. On those grounds alone, the SA should remain.--Rockero 03:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enviromental Racism  

message: Due to continuous pornographic vandalism from IPs and newly-registered users (many of which I've had to block), I have protected this page. Please continue to improve the article but beware of vandalism. When it dies down let me know and I'll unprotect.--Rockero 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we ready to unblock?--Rockero 06:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The assault seems to have abated--for now. Now unprotecting.--Rockero 21:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: still occuring by the same user. Califman831 04:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I blocked one of them for 3 weeks. I'll see about the other one now.--Rockero 04:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I think it's about time we started converting the inline external link citations into a references/footnotes section. As I began the process this morning, I was stalled when the very first link I clicked () had died! Also, we need a reference for Horowitz's decision on why not to sell the farm back. All I keep hearing is rumors about anti-Semitic remarks. I'll bet it was La Voz de Aztlán. They are always messing things up for us. But since it is so crucial to the story, some citation is necessary. And I suppose we need a reference for the early history. If we can get those, then I can get busy formatting the citations in-line.--Rockero 03:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed, the link to the los angeles times article covering the anti-semitic remarks is listed, but not as a footnote.  I have PDF backups of most of the articles on my hard drive. Not sure if anyone else would like a copy of the folder containing the files.  You are also correct that it was the La Voz de Aztlán. Why do people consider that site credible, they are like the national equiererCalifman831 07:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs etc. 

message: I've listed the raid of June 13th on the Main Page News Candidates. If this truly is the largest community garden in the nation, I think it deserves such a status. And, you know, all that other amazing stuff they do.  Canæn  06:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its status as the largest urban garden is still unconfirmed, but so far no one has disputed the claim.  It would be great to find its actual ranking some where.  As far as the extra things the farm did, a paragraph or two is needed.  This section will have to be done by some one who has visited the farm. Califman831 07:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it goes on the main page it will have to be unprotected. That's OK as long as someone can keep an eye on it, which I won't be able to do. As far as other activities go, maybe we should mention something about how the Farmers were politicized (radicalized?) by their experiences. The SCF, as an organization, participated in the 2006 United States immigration reform protests. I saw them at a teach-in on the Downing Street memo hosted by Maxine Waters in Inglewood. They were also at peace marches, etc. Is this what you meant by "other activities"?--Rockero 16:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I was refering to its role supporting other community organizations and nonfarmers, such as the farmers market and support for local food banks, etc.  Basically to balance out the political tilt of the article.  The items you mentioned should also be mentioned. Califman831 19:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Page News? 

message: The reference doesn't say much about the anti-semitic comment, other than to say Horowitz accuses some of the farmers and/or supporters of it. Where is this coming from, and which website said it? How prominent were they with the farmers? I doubt the majority of the farmers/supporters would have supported that, so who was it? The Ungovernable Force 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As mentioned earlier on the talkpage, it was the anti-semitic "news service" La Voz de Aztlán. This article mentions the "Jewish Mafia", and this one "exposes" the "Jewish mafia". These people do NOT speak for the farmers or anyone except themselves. But apparently, that doesn't matter to Horowitz.--Rockero 22:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to poke around on their website, since I've heard some bad things about them. I confirmed them all. They are incredibly anti-semitic and anti-gay, and if I spent more than 10 minutes there I could probably find plenty of other things to get upset about. I thought it was funny that they praised bisexual Joan Baez (among others) for being at the farm, then in another article talked about the sodomite menace in the Episcopalian church. The Ungovernable Force 05:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism 

message: What is the current tension between members of the black community and the SCF?  There appears to be a some bad blood in the cases of councilwoman Jan Perry and Mark Williams of Concerned Citizens of South Central.  One of the protestors splashed water on Mr. Williams.
It has also been alleged on indymedia that Horowitz is playing the race card by using African Americans as security for the property, although this allegation may mistakenly stem more from the color of security officer's t-shirts.  The scf has acknowledge some problems recruiting members of the black community to participate as farmers. please see Leslie Radford's piece a vicious campaign of calumny
Califman831 03:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: African Americans and the SCF 

message: several footnotes have associated links where the article is no longer present online.  Please do not remove these, thank you  Califman831 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Links

message: Is that banner depicting Lenin truly representative of the SCF? I know a lot of right-wingers have been accusing the farmers of being "communists" and much worse, but I doubt they have any such affiliation. Maybe that banner was put up by agents provocateurs? According to the licensing tag, it is the cover of a magazine. But there is no text, which makes me doubt that it is a magazine cover. Apparently, there really is a magazine called The Liberty Bell, published by Liberty Bell Publications , which is apparently a anti-semitic or white supremacist publishing house. Which raises critical questions about its credibility.
What was wrong with the old image (South Central Farm feeds families)? It seemed much more representative of the farmers than the image of Lenin. Anyone care to explain the changes? If not, I'll restore the old images.--Rockero 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And what is up with the satellite image??!! According to the last report I heard, the farm was only partially destroyed. There is no way it could be all gray like the current image shows. The image is also much smaller than the original. WatchtowerJihad, you have some explaining to do...--Rockero 15:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: the Lenin and satellite images were acts of vandalism. Califman831 19:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lenin? 

message: If horowitz purchased the property for $5.05 million, shouldnt the correct value of soccer field be 
2.6 * (5,050,000/14.2 acres) = $924,647.88 or a figure using the county appraised value?  The 3 million figure seems to be derived from the sale price Horowitz requested to the framers.Califman831 09:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Soccer Field 

message: This struck me as odd. When talking about the negative actions of the police, no qualifiers are used:
::Other protestors were removed by force and struck with batons, some reported to have been carried by ambulance. 
But when talking about actions taken by protestors towards the police and construction workers, pains are taken to qualify the action of protestors, with "allegedly" and mentioning that the people they "allegedly" assualted wern't hurt:
::Two others were also arrested, one for allegedly throwing a milk crate at a police officer and the other for allegedly assaulting a bulldozer driver (neither of whom were hurt).
Now, I'm not somebody that automaticall assumes the police were on their best behavior (quite the opposite), but whats with the double standard? How come the police didn't "allegedly" hit protestors with batons? From skimming the article there doesn't seem to be any huge POV issues, but that is a subtle one contributors should be careful to avoid, whether their bias is for the police or protestors. Brentt 09:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Careful with balance: portrayal of agents in the conflict

message: I just uploaded new photos from the bulldozed farm capturing the destruction there. Feel free to use them in this article if appropriate. Find them on wiki-commons here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bulldozed_South_Central_Farm
--Fluxaviator 18:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of the Bulldozed Farm 

message: Why does Juli 5 come after Juli 12? Should that be Juli 15? 82.169.240.67 (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going backwards in time? 

message: Juanita Tate is routinely given credit for leading the charge in opposition to the LANCER project, but it appears this is not so:
"An obituary in Thursday's California section on South Los Angeles activist Juanita Tate incorrectly stated that she was a founder of Concerned Citizens of South-Central Los Angeles and had helped defeat the Lancer incineration project. Tate joined the group when it was formally incorporated as a nonprofit organization in 1988, after the group's founders -- Robin Cannon, Charlotte Bullock, Gwendolyn Cannon, Sheila Cannon and Roberta Stephens -- led a successful drive against the incineration plant."
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/08/local/me-tate8 Mmyers1976 (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  LANCER Opposition 

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