Talk:Tiffany Darwish

message: I lost the source, but recently she was in a few news articles mentioning an upcoming country album. If I haven't relocated this information and added it already, could someone else be so kind as to? Thanks. Granny Bebeb (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming country album 

message: Is there a source for this category? Last I heard, she was living in Nashville. This could be considered contentious material, if there is no proper source for it. Granny Bebeb (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "American expatriates in the United Kingdom"? 

message: What would be the best way to list tracks of hers that were exclusive to compilations - such as her 3 songs from the Jetsons movie soundtrack, or tribute album contributions such as her cover of Morning Musume's Sexy Lady, or the U2 - New Year's Day cover with Front Line Assembly? There were quite a few others as well - many of which would probably be considered notable releases. Granny Bebeb (talk) 02:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: She had some non-album B-sides on her singles too, back in the old days when singles had B-sides (as opposed to iTunes downloads, which truly are single!). *Dan T.* (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, definitely. Someone familiar with making the Wikipedia tables for discographies, please add these!Granny Bebeb (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography for tracks on other compilations? 

message: This article could use a lot more sourcing + tone cleanup...also, there doesn't seem to be any mention of her first single, "Danny". It failed to chart, but should still be notable, at least compared to some of the unsourced facts listed. Granny Bebeb (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I'm British and not entirely familiar with mall culture, but surely she can't possibly have played *every* mall in the USA? Bonalaw 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: She went on a mall tour, but no, she surely did not play every mall. Mike H 17:59, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
This article could probably use some expansion concerning "The Beautiful You: Celebrating The Good Life Shopping Mall Tour '87," as the mall tour was officially titled. - B.C.Schmerker 03:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mall

message: Does anybody have proof that she was born in Oklahoma?  This appears to be a matter of debate among fans, as there doesn't seem to have been a conclusive statement of her birthplace anywhere; it's variously given as Oklahoma or California in different biographical sketches.  Similarly, the spelling of her last name has been given as "Darwish" and "Darwisch" in different sources.  Tiffany herself doesn't seem to have shown much interest in insisting that reporters get these facts straight. Dtobias 17:12, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Her name is probably transliterated (from dervish).--Adoniscik 23:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace

message: Is this the singer that "danced" with her hands? Like doing dance moves which mainly involved her hand positions?
:Yes TheMan232 02:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hand Moves

message: Hi, I've seen and heard a lot about Tiffany's middle eastern blood lines. Obviously she's got middle eastern blood with the surname Darwish but is she part Lebanese or Syrian or both? And if so, aside from the rather obvious clue in the name, where is the proof to what's stated in this article? I'm sure many of Tiffany's middle eastern fans would love to know!
I am not sure which type of blood that you are referring to when you speak of the middle-east.  Is it that Asian, African or mixed (arab) blood?  From the boi, it appears as if her father was half something or they say 'part,' but that does not make her an arab.  Just like Doug Flutie said that he does not recognize any arabness in him just because a family member is Lebanese.  Arab and middle-eastern is not a race.  If anything, it means that you are more likely than not to have some African blood in you!--71.235.94.254 04:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Eastern Blood

message: Is this 'Other musical Tiffanys' section necessary at all? Considering that most of that section has anything to do with THIS Tiffany herself, that kind of stuff belongs in the disambiguation pages.
Chad427 (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right, even though I was the one who added that section in the first place a long time ago. *Dan T.* (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And why isn't the most famous of them all -- Korean megastar Tiffany (aka Stephanie Chang?) -- included?!
66.3.106.1 (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Other musical Tiffanys

message: Does anyone else think it would be good to mention the documentary "I Think We're Alone Now"?  Its focus is on two of Tiffany's stalkers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkdeadite (talk • contribs) 14:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just saw this (creepy) documentary too, and was hoping to find more information.  I don't think it's quite notable enough for its own article, but perhaps a sentence or two here would be appropriate(?). Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also saw it. I think it should be included in the article. But where? Legacy section? Film appearances? Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Documentary: I Think We're Alone Now

message: I'm going to change the date of Tiffany's appearance in Playboy.  It was in April 2002, not 2009.   Elsquared (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction to Playboy issue date 

message: i saw a horror film the other day with tiffany in it cant remember the name now but it was about friends staying at a log cabin in the snow  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.57.13 (talk) 08:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Necrosis was already in the Acting career section of the article at the time of your comment. Hoof Hearted (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  FILM 

message: Why no Australian chart positions? ITWAN reached #13 and 'Could've Been' and 'I Saw Him Standing There' both went top 10...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 (talk) 04:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Chart Positions 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was:  Moved. Several people made good arguments, and there is no name that is free of disadvantages. The move was favored by a majority of editors. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Tiffany (American singer) →  – Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer using the name "Tiffany". Tiffany, a member of South Korean girl group Girls' Generation, is also an American because she was born in the U.S. (however she is now based in South Korea thus everyone often misleads that she is a South Korean. Simon (talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: The present title "Tiffany (American singer)", though, is highly ambiguous, while "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" is not WP:CONCISE and has no WP:CONSISTENCY with the pattern of similar articles' titles. In Google Books search, "Tiffany Darwish" gets about 134 results and it gets about 56,000 results in Google search. So "Tiffany Darwish" has at least some common usage, and provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation while keeping conciseness. Her birthname is also "Tiffany Darwish". Khestwol (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:UCN the common name is just "Tiffany" so it becomes Tiffany (singer born 1971) -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Her birth year can be hardly remembered, so "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" as an article title will not be easily searchable for users. Also, :Category:21st-century American singers does not have article titles with birth years as disambiguators so "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" also fails as per WP:CONSISTENCY. Khestwol (talk) 09:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly does not fail CONSISTENCY, since it is consistent with biography disambiguation guidelines. And it follows UCN, since it clearly identifies this as a singer called "Tiffany" which using her widely unrecognized surname does not, since she isn't widely known that way. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

text: As I stated above, Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer named "Tiffany". Simon (talk) 02:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

text: * As I stated above, this "Tiffany" is not the only American singer. See Tiffany (South Korean singer), she is an American singer too but based in South Korea, thus everyone is misleading that she is Korean. Simon (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, the thing is, Tiffany (this American singer) has the same type of notability for her first name AND last name as Oprah Winfrey. She is another case of Oprah in a sense with the naming convention. Oprah doesn't use her last name often, but people still recognize her last name as Winfrey. Same with Darwish. Tibbydibby (talk) 23:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * No, she doesn't, she is not known by her surname, and her surname is not widely known, unlike Oprah, whose suranme is widely known, Tiffany's is hardly known at all. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * She is sometimes known by her surname, sir. Simon (talk) 06:39, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: * Per the last move request, she is rarely known by her surname. It is not common nor widely recognizable. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 04:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Post close comment: the views of regarding presenting the other Tiffany as being an American singer may not have complete relevance.  The title of the Korean language page of that singer translates to : Tiffany (singer of the Republic of Korea).  GregKaye 13:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 June 2015 

message: Support split - Discography section takes up more than one third of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Tiffany Darwish discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiffany Darwish discography 

message: Substituted at 05:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: "She passed a hat amongst the crowd afterwards, and collected $40,000 in what would be her first career earnings."
If there was ever something which needs a source, this is it, WikiAlto (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, someone vandalised the article, and it seems no one noticed, until an IP did a partial revert, leaving this crazy number in there. corrected, and added citation needed, since that still seems like it would warrant a citation. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  source for $40K from "passing the hat." 

message: Tiffany Darwish is the daughter of James (Jamie) Darwish (1934-1995) and Jane Christine Wilson (1946-). They married in Los Angeles, California in 1970-1971 and divorced around the same time when Tiffany was born in 1971.
Tiffany Darwish's birth certificate- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG6J-G6T
Divorce certificate of Tiffany's parents
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PX
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PD
Tiffany's father James (Jamie) Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 according to his the Naturalization Act of 1940 of his parents Allie Darwish and Annie Osmon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDB-TXLF?cc=2546149&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AC9ZZ-Z93Z
James Darwish Grave Memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167417554
Her paternal grandfather Allie Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1909 and her paternal grandmother Annie Osmon was born in 1914-1915 in Highland Park, Michigan according to the act above. They were married in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 where James (Jamie) was born.
Annie Osmon was the daughter of Joe Osmon and Jennie Osmon both also from Tebnine, Lebanon. Joe Osmon/Ossman Draft Registration where it says he was from Tebnine, Lebanon 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XZ-MB5
Annie Osmon in the 1920 US Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ7P-6GWChris O' Hare (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiffany Darwish Lebanese origins 

message: I think that the first sentence of the article should be worded differently. People are reading “Tiffany” followed by “Tiffany” which is quite badly worded. I propose that her full name should be first and then “also known simply as Tiffany” or “known simply as Tiffany” or anything to that effect. I’m not disputing that she’s known simply as Tiffany, but to read Tiffany followed by Tiffany again is a bit silly.
: the article about Cher is not the same because the article states “Cher” then “Cherilyn”, not “Cher” and then “Cher”.--EsotericJoe (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Both articles start with the professional name they're most known by, followed by birth name. This doesn't change because you think this particular example sounds silly. NJZombie (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiffany then Tiffany  

message: Is there any awards and nominations received by Tiffany? 222.127.184.57 (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and nominations 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is rough consensus that Tiffany Young is another American singer known mononymously as Tiffany. While their full names may not be their common names, discussion has generated consensus that the guideline for preferring natural disambiguation prevails in this case. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Tiffany Darwish →  – Why is Tiffany Darwish's surname being used as part of this article's name? She's not generally speaking known by her full name, she has never been known by her full name on any music videos or any merchandise like posters, t-shirts, tours, etc. There's no confusion between her and Tiffany Young with the latter going by and being known by her full name. Even if there were two people sharing the same mononym that's still not a good enough reason to include the surnames of both of them when one of them has never really been known by her surname and a simple (born 1971) for Tiffany Darwish and (born 1989) for Tiffany Young would solve it anyway. We all know that Madonna's full name is Madonna Ciccone, but her surname isn't used in the article's name about her because she's never gone by her surname, the same goes for Tiffany. FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that “Tiffany (American singer)” is much better than just “Tiffany” - the former redirects to the article anyway. It doesn’t matter if journalists and other people use her surname sometimes, most of the time they do not; she sold records using just her first name and the merchandise about her is just her first name too. We all know Madonna’s surname is Ciccone but she’s always just presented herself with her first name and sold records like that too. The idea that “Darwish” should be included in the title of the article because of another person named Tiffany is balderdash. Tiffany Young is widely known by her surname, Tiffany Darwish is nowhere near as much. There’s nothing problematic about it at all.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 10:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Is there even any other non-American singer that frequently goes by the mononym "Tiffany"?  If not, then (American singer) should be eliminated from consideration outright, replaced by Tiffany (singer) instead, for WP:CONCISE reasons. -- Netoholic @ 13:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I should have made it more clearer from the beginning, I am suggesting the article be moved to "Tiffany (American singer)" and not just "Tiffany".--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 July 2022 

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.  No such user (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Tiffany Darwish →  – I did not make this clear last time. I do not believe that there’s any need for “Darwish” to be included in the name of the article so I propose changing the article to “Tiffany (American singer)”.FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

text: No, I initially only used "Tiffany" rather than "Tiffany (American singer)" and there was quite a bit of support for a move to the latter. I changed it a bit too late, so I would rather people decide on "Tiffany (American singer)". There's no reason to include her surname when she is never referred to as such and is referred to by her first name throughout the article.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 August 2022