Talk:Art Bell

message: The article states: "Bell's suit stated that several witnesses had reported hearing Oates accuse Bell of pedophilia. This was proven to be 100% false."
I'm concerned that the wording may be somewhat confusing to some readers. What was proven to be 100% false? Oates' reported accusation? Or, that witnesses had reported hearing Oates accuse Bell? As it's written, it suggests the latter, as the subject in the preceding sentence is actually Bell's suit, and not Oates' accusation. But, the citation given actually confirms the former, not the latter. Of course, most casual readers don't follow citations. I would suggest, for the purposes of clarity, a change along the lines of, perhaps: 
"Bell's suit stated that several witnesses had reported hearing Oates accuse Bell of pedophilia. The court found that the accusations of pedophilia were both false and defamatory." ? 99.246.125.63 (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Rationalobserver (talk) 00:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Feud with George Noory

message: I have a question of attribution.  In the broadcast career section it mentions that he worked at KMST.  While it does not give exact dates, other close-by dates make it appear as though it was roughly in the mid 1970s.  I worked at KMST from 1973 to 1978.  He did not work there during those years.  Is there a more exact time period from whomever added that section?Onramp (talk) 21:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny you mention that.  Previously, I attempted to help with turning KENI into a real article.  Art mentioned numerous times during the 1990s that he worked at that station as well during the mid 1970s.  One of my co-workers at that time knew that I was a regular listener, and repeatedly pointed out to me that he worked at KENI at around the same time, yet was quite sure that he couldn't remember him being there.  KENI has been one of the longest-running affiliates of Coast to Coast, so I would think somebody would have written something at some point regarding this.RadioKAOS (talk) 23:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

text: *I heard him say that it helped him get out of a traffic ticket.  --Kalmia 04:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Early years

message: The following was added to this article:
:Bell has stated he voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. 
However, no source was provided. Can we get a source for this please? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 06:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course the editor who initiated this change will also need to delete the entire “Trivia” section as 21 of 24 statements are unsourced. Coast Fans – you’re better equipped than I to handle this. I’ll unleash you guys on this one. Be nice and AGF. J Nothughthomas (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a bad idea, I dislike "trivia" sections. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 10:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I won't object to the deletion of that section if you do it. Nothughthomas (talk) 10:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved all the references to calls and guests to a "callers and guests" section, and I moved the other pieces of info into the broadcasting section as these are notable incidents. If you feel that any of the information is unsourced, please feel free to source or remove to the talk page. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you take that initiative? Why are you being selective in what unsourced statements you removed? A statement that a Washington Post writer - who happens to share a name with a Simpsons animator - had info of a connection between the President of the US and Osama bin Laden seems more necessary of a source than who Art Bell voted for ... I'm concerned why you chose to only remove my contributions and not act in a more consistent manner. Thanks.Nothughthomas (talk) 11:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I say, please feel free to remove any information you feel is not referenced correctly. I note that you still haven't provided a reference for the material that you added and that I have removed. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I haven't attempted to reinsert it, nor will I until I have a source. Wikipedia is not a race. Why are you only deleting unsourced edits I made? Thank you for clarifying this point. Nothughthomas (talk) 11:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, it's not a race. When I find the time and inclination I'll probably start culling material. Or maybe I won't! Where is the source for your material? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:15, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For the second time, Wikipedia is not a race. As I said, I will provide a source at the time I reinsert the entry; at such time as I have the time to research one that meets our high standards. In the meantime, please don't cherry-pick no-source deletions from editors you're mad at. Thank you for helping to make wikipedia more harmonious. Nothughthomas (talk) 11:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothughthomas, in the interests of verifiability, you clearly added some material that you must have gotten from somewhere. What was your source? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject of this entry said it in a radio statement. Obviously this can't be cited in a way that would meet your auditing standards. For that reason I will have to seek out an alternate sourcing method. It may be a few days before I have time to do this. Please AGF and don't cherry-pick no-source deletions from editors you're mad at. Thank you for helping to make wikipedia more harmonious. Nothughthomas (talk) 11:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think I can remember Art saying he voted for Obama aswell; i happened to have heard it on YouTube. Once you've got the date of the show just use this template :Template:Cite_episode. It's OK to cite radio/tv/videos etc., no worries.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text: You can in fact note that it was said on the radio show, and you can at least give the date that it was said. It would also be advisable to fully quote Art Bell so we know what he said. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rather wait to be able to cite a source that is verifiable and will better withstand scrutiny. Because Wikipedia is not a race I'm willing to wait until I have a few minutes to do that. Please AGF and don't cherry-pick no-source deletions from editors you're mad at. Thank you for helping to make wikipedia more harmonious. Nothughthomas (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, finding a more reliable source sounds for the best. When you do, most certainly readd this material. In future, however, please ensure that you have a verifiable and reliable source before you add material such as this. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be consistent in edits and don't cherry-pick no-source deletions just because you are angered with a user over a noticeboard complaint filed against you. It disrupts the entry. Thanks. Nothughthomas (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed some material that was not sourced, that is all. This is perfectly reasonable. If anything, you should not have added it. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 29 unsourced statements here. You removed one. The one I made. Then you aggressively engaged me on it in a virtual inquisition style of questioning. Your deletion of my edit and request for citation was justified. The way you followed me from entry to entry and - in this case - cherry picked one - does not demonstrate good faith in wikipedia. It demonstrates an axe to grind. We both know what's going on here. Please, I promise I won't ever cross you again. Please just leave me alone. Nothughthomas (talk) 12:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Inquisitorial" is going a bit far I feel. I didn't torture you, or compel you to answer the questions against your will. I merely asked the same question a number of times until you provided an answer. I did so even though you saw fit to try to change the topic itself, which was that I had removed an unsourced statement that you had added. I stayed on point here, and eventually you provided a reasonable answer. Nothing I have done here is unreasonable in any way, and the ultimate outcome was that you answered my question. Nothing that happened here seems very radical or out of the ordinary to me! - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:32, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tbsdy - once again, I will not engage you in any discussion in any entry any longer. Please. I don't know what else to say to you. Within minutes of me posting a noticeboard complaint against you began following me from entry to entry, engaging me in a very aggressive manner. I know this is a virtual environment but I'm a real human being. I deserve to be treated like one. Please stop doing this to me. Nothughthomas (talk) 12:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a talk page on Wikipedia, for the discussion of articles. I am currently (attempting!) to discuss this article. If you have something to say to me directly, the best mechanism to do this on is my user talk page. For the time being, I will continue discussing this article if I so desire, as I also wish to contribute to Wikipedia. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Obama vote

message: Why has reference to the kidnapping of Art Bell's son been removed from this article? I started reading about it a few weeks ago and came back to read what happened. I cannot understand how this article could provide so much information on strangeness associated with this man (accusations, etc) yet not include one of the most valid and terrifying experiences of his life. Can someone with the know-how (I dont know how) restore this information? Thank you. 24.188.207.20 (talk) 00:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read up on this through other sources and would like to retract this as what happened is the Bell Family's private business involving a minor and, as such, has no place here. 24.188.207.20 (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kidnapping

message: Is Art's current wife younger than some of his own children?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.217.137.183 (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ages of Children and Wife

message: There's some talk under Events of 2010-11 that he's posting on a Facebook. I can't seem to find an Art Bell account that backs this information up, can we get a link to Art Bell's Facebook with the alleged posts? Hukt own fonikz (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Facebook

message: This section falls foul of WP:TRIVIA and needs tidying. 92.251.137.49 (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Callers and guests 

message: Art announced the following on his Facebook page tonight:
"liver cancer, 3 to 6 months to live."
It's either true or his account was hacked. Please don't add this to the article until it can be verified with a reliable source. Freshfighter9talk 23:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whitley Strieber said tonight that he talked with Art and it's actually Art's father-in-law who is dying.Freshfighter9talk 02:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Whitley Strieber said..."  is called "hearsay" and it has no place on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:F481:BA00:80F8:841B:7B15:7E1F (talk) 02:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  liver cancer 

message: when u google art bell, the summary over on the right ("infobox"?) says "Education: Harvard".  i see no sign of this in his bio, nor even in google's own results.
what generates that section?  until now, i thought maybe it came from wiki. 209.172.25.34 (talk) 03:59, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harvard? 

message: Is he really best known for suggesting the Boston bombings are a hoax, of was that just the sheer laziness of the author to look into his other claims to infamy? One, He'[s the guy who interviewed Charlie Sheen when he had his meltdown talking about Tiger Blood and "winning." He's also one of the leaders of the so called "9/11 Truth movement." His gun debate with Pierce Morgan is another thing that got WAY more press than anything he said about the Boston bombings...it's just an ignorant comment all around. Jones has been in and out of the news for the last decade, long before the Boston bombing.
184.99.140.108 (talk) 08:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then, I'll edit it. 65.129.178.162 (talk) 12:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Looks like it was sheer laziness of the author in just copypasting the original Time article, which did indeed describe Jones as "the conspiracy theorist best known for claiming that the government perpetrated the Boston bombings". I've rewritten the section to avoid the wider plagiarism, I think it's enough to call Jones a "conspiracy theorist". --McGeddon (talk) 12:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

text: He's best known for claiming that the Sandy Hook shootings were a false flag. Ridiculous that this note came after that event. He's a conspiracy theorist. 24.56.243.110 (talk) 07:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex Jones 

message: We recently had a string of IP editors, all trying to add the same BLP-violating claim. I requested and received semi-protection for the article, hopefully that will take care of the problem. --MelanieN (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent vandalism by IPs 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Maybe later on, but in 1945 Art Bell's mother was a USMC drill instructor?  Has this been verified?  
Please see the following article regarding the history of women in the Marines:
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I would think that a female service member would have been discharged then upon pregnancy.  According to the article, female Marines weren't even integrated from the reserves into the regular Corps until 1948HistoryBuff14 (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  His mother was a Marine Corps DI…in 1945? 

message: I hate to say it, but this article is terrible. The structure is terrible, flipping between history and more general topics, it should be put in historical order and have sections at the end for an overview of his life, personal life sections etc. Also, the article is dominated by one liners about something he said on one of his shows (normally with no source). This includes the interminable retire/return cycle that is almost unreadable. We really need to pare down the descriptions of his shows to the most notable or provide a summary. Finding sources that aren't just the episodes themselves would go a long way to helping determine what is worth putting into an encyclopedia article. Ashmoo (talk) 10:46, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur on all points made by Ashmoo.  Some of the categories in the article make sense.  Others appear to be jammed there for lack of any other place to put it.  This entire article requires a matrix topic analysis followed by serious restructuring, and yes, elimination of a great deal of content that may be of interest  to Art Bell fans but is best relocated to tribute websites, not on a Wikipedia page.Clepsydrae (talk) 05:16, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

text: Coming back randomly 5 years later and the article is still a complete mess. I'm going to start fixing. Ashmoo (talk) 11:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of article 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: Hi-I am very concern about adding the names of Art Bell's parents, spouses, etc., to the article. Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons has guidelines. I had added a citation about his birthplace and removed his parents names because of the BLP concern only to have the names were inserted again in the article. The citation about his birthplace is still in place. Because of BLP concerns the names of his parents, spouses, children, etc., should be removed. Thank you-RFD (talk) 21:04, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would seem to think that your concerns are nullified, what with him having just died (hence him no longer being alive) and all. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 00:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Err, not quite, per WP:BDP. ►К Ф Ƽ Ħ◄  18:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographies of Living Persons 

message: http:// youtu . be / fkz-dFRYT-E
http:// www . youtube . com / watch?v=fkz-dFRYT-E
Zeryphex (talk) 07:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Las Vegas Review-Journal video clip from YouTube on August 2nd 2018 

message: I think this description might need some re-examination, although properly referenced, this label has a different connotation in our current era from when that reference was initially published.  AM radio and "conspiracies" evoke the image of right-wing or anti-government programming, his show was a platform that allowed alternative or fringe viewpoints but he certainly didn't condone or allow anything of that nature.  He was dispassionate, IMHO, WRT to the subject matter of his guests, and there's nothing to suggest that he subscribed to or promoted any single position of his guests.  He dealt with a very broad range of topics and as long as the guest wasn't espousing offensive viewpoints he afford them all an equal platform to speak.  
He had guests ranging from the president of PETA, to UFO conspiracists, to Catholic exorcists.  Offering a platform doesn't mean you subscribe to any particular point of view, and doesn't make one a conspiracy theorist, any more than the New York Times is a "conspiracy" publication for discussing the musings of Donald Trump.  He offered a platform, and nothing more. 108.200.234.93 (talk) 05:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to add, look at Walter Cronkite, for example.  While he was on the air, you couldn't deduce any political affiliation from his presentation style.  (Many [eople thought he was a conservative, until he died and his biography came to light.)  Similar for Art Bell.  I would guess that Bell probably leaned conservative, but he certainly didn't color his content with his own political bias.  Contrast this style to people like Jake Tapper or Don Lemon, for example.  You know exactly where they stand on the political spectrum.  108.200.234.93 (talk) 07:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

text: See WP:NOTFORUM. This page is for improving the article. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy Theorist label 

message: JC or Jonathan Christian Webster was a comical caller in Art Bell's shows. Check Jonathan Christian Webster and Art Bell & JC Webster İ Philosophy of Life Radio Personality and God's TEN Star General!—AnnaBruta (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a reliable source. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous caller: JC 

message: Art Bell said numerous times on air over the years that he was born at Camp Lejeune. One such broadcast where he says it is on the 1996-05-10 - Coast to Coast AM Open Lines episode. His own words are far more trustworthy and more of a reliable source than some secondhand source who writes substandard books and pseudo encyclopedias.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChonokisFigueroa (talk • contribs) 05:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policies disagree with you on that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was born at Camp Lejeune