Talk:Sentō

message: the sento is now closed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.236.99.172 (talk) 05:26, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone remove the reference to civic land nissei? 

message: I added distinction between "sento" and "Japanese bath house." The sento is only one type of public bath house (公衆浴場 kōshū yokujō) that meets certain criterias, and are subject to price restrictions by law. --69.214.226.246 01:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sento = a type  of public bath house 

message: With a thorough hammering of grammar and general structure, there is all the material here for a future featured article. Anyone want to go over it with me? Soo 11:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article? 

message: This article should be merged with Sento, and also needs a major cleanup.  Exploding Boy 05:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...um.... this is the article Sento. Should this be merged with another article? Which one? -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I changed a portion that said "many sentō and onsen have a no tattoo rule to keep yakuza out of their baths, often under the pretense of hygienic reasons". However, from my experiences at these places, the sentos do not hide the fact that they want to refuse services to yakuzas in particular, and they make no phoney claims about hygienic reasons either. On the streets of these neighbourhoods there are often signs that say something along the lines of "Yakuzas get out!", etc.—Tokek 14:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentos that are anti-Yakuza 

message: what are the actual tempretures of the baths? i have heard that japanese like very hot baths, for instance ≈60 degrees C. which is very hot, it's scalding. is this correct? 
I have read that in america water heaters for private baths (spas, jacuzzis) are not allowed over 104°F (40°C, not very hot) by law.
i think the article should mention actual temperatures. -unsigned
:Typically they are in the range of 12 - 45 °C. The baths in the mid to upper 40's are considered "very hot", while the baths in the teens °C are usually taken to cool down, after a sauna, for example. Rumors of ≈60°C were greatly exaggerated. —MangoCurry 10:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one onsen (not sento), where the water used to come out at 60, and they stirred it like mad for a few minutes to bring the temp down, so they could spend 1:30 min in there. But I think the water flows changed and it s no longer so hot. Nowadays supposedly they do it only for tourists. Otheriwse the temp in sentos can be adjusted by the customers, and even the attendants often do not know the actual temp. -- Chris 73 | Talk 07:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  actual tempretures 

message: I removed the following sentence "However, except for a single case in a small town in Hokkaido, racial discrimination at public baths virtually does not exist." on the grounds that this is not verifiable either way.
I also alter this sentence " such racist situations are very rare" to "rarely reported". 
There is not intention to imply that racism is rampant at sentos, the statements were just one person's opinions. —unsigned
There is lack of facts or reason to speculate that racism is anything but rare to nonexistant at a sentō. To give an impression otherwise would be misleading the reader. The "such racist situations are very rare" snippet may have been another person's addition to the article, if so, that'd mean it wasn't "just one person's opinion." IMHO, an encyclopedia shouldn't exceed reasonable speculation.
Before I added the snippet you mention, I did search Google for other instances, but I couldn't find any. My searches did not suggest racism was a widely reported issue save for one instance. If someone has better reseach skills, that's fine with me. However as a general rule X shall be innocent of Y until proven otherwise. —Tokek 11:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimintion 

message: I'm under the impression that traditionally, i.e. before the opening of Japan to the West, most sento were mixed-sex, meaning men and women bathed together.  If my impression is correct, it would seem there's been a significant cultural change in the sento during the past hundred years. Shouldn't such a major alteration get a fairly prominent mention in the article? T.129.93.16.77 01:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that mixed bathing was forbidden during various times in historiy with various levels of enforcement, and the current separation originates from commodore Perry. - Chris 73 | Talk 06:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I noticed that you seem to have edited the onsen article to agree with your supposition.  I did note that the earlier edit claimed it was a rural tradition - that edit was unsourced as well, however - being "under the impression" is not a valid source for a claim in a wikipedia article.  I have added citation needed, but am going to look around and see if there is a source that would resolve this.72.205.55.200 21:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sento history - Mixed-sex vs. single-sex

message: The entire section was practically "PUBLIC BATHES: The Walkthrough". While it might be educational, it's highly inappropriate for wikipedia. Maybe wikiversity or even a wikibook on japanese culture/visiting japan (actually, that seems like a good idea) would be better, and then post a link to another wiki. Or explain the etiquette without using "you", or post a link to a site that explains 'the rules' (there has to be tons out there), but just not on wikipedia -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION!  12:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I removed a couple of sentences that give advice, but otherwise i think the basic procedure is a description that is useful for the article. -- Chris 73 | Talk 03:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etiquete section removal. 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose The current article still primarily seems to be about Sentō, even if it has expanded to include other things. There's a separate article at onsen, so I think we can keep this about Sentō. John Smith's 22:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
::Information for all. It's the definition of Sento from jp.wiki.
法律上は、公衆浴場として、次の定義がされている。
* 「公衆浴場法」第1条の規定
この法律で「公衆浴場」とは、温湯、潮湯又は温泉その他を使用して、公衆を入浴させる施設をいう。
* 「公衆浴場の確保のための特別措置に関する法律」第2条の規定
この法律で「公衆浴場」とは、公衆浴場法（昭和二十三年法律第百三十九号）第一条第一項に規定する公衆浴場であつて、物価統制令（昭和二十一年勅令第百十八号）第四条の規定に基づき入浴料金が定められるものをいう。
さらに、各都道府県の条例で、「普通公衆浴場」（おおよそ「日常生活における保健衛生上必要な入浴のために設けられた公衆浴場」と定義される）と「その他の公衆浴場」（自治体によっては「特殊公衆浴場」とも呼ぶ）に分けられており、「普通公衆浴場」を一般に「銭湯」と呼ぶ。
なお、入浴料金は物価統制令（現憲法発布前に出された勅令。法律としての効力を持つ）の規定により、各都道府県知事の決定で上限が定められている。そのため都道府県ごとで料金が違う。
Oda Mari 05:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be useful to post a translation for anyone who doesn't read Japanese. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not good at J to E translation. To translate the long definition short, 普通公衆浴場/standard public bath/Sento is a public bath house to keep one's body in good hygiene in daily life basis. Not for recreation or luxuary. Correct my English, please. Thank you. Oda Mari 06:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 11:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: As the introductions to both the Sento and Onsen articles report, the two are different and should be distinguished. The place that debito went to was an onsen, not a sento. It's dishonest to report all bathhouses (onsen and sento) as practising discrimination, and it's particulary egregious for debito to be advertising his lawsuit against Yunohana Onsen on the sento page, when said reported discrimination didn't occur at a sento.
His publicity still appears on the onsen page, along with all the requisite links to his own page, so I don't see any need for it to be duplicated here. Recall that there are no other published examples of discrimination at a sento. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 08:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have removed Discrimination and Lawsuit 

message: I have changed previous text stated, "They are not exclusive: A sentō can be called an onsen if it derives its bath water from naturally heated hot springs. A legal definition exists that can classify a public bathing facility as sentō."
In Kanto that is for more or less true, but in Kansai the nomenclature "onsen" merely means bathhouse and has no connection to if there is a hot spring fed baths. While there are numourous sento (members of the prefecture bathhouse association) that do have true natural hot spring  water filling at least one of their tubs, there are even more bathing facilities in the region that only use tap or well water for their baths. The Japanese page for the absolutly wonderful, but normal water, Gengahara Onsen in Osaka contains the following caveat:
 なお、｢○○温泉｣は上方に於ける伝統的な風呂屋の屋号であり、天然温泉を意味するものではない。
"In the Kyoto area the word onsen is a traditional name for a bathouse, it does not mean that there is a natural hot spring."
--219.106.152.19 (talk) 04:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between "sento" and "onsen" -- local usage in Kansai 

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