Talk:Joe Jackson (talent manager)

message: Why this line? "In 2003, in an interview for BBC TV, Joseph admitted to using physical punishment on his children and also voiced his disapproval of homosexuality."  It is like it is thrown in just to throw it in.  Who cares if he did not like gays?  It is not a crime to not like gayness.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.187.106 (talk) 03:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexual? 

message: Found a decent picture for this page, submitting for review.
http://www.nndb.com/people/799/000030709/smilin_joe.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbrown1986 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Profile Picture

message: I have again removed the reference to Joh'Vonnie for the reasons I stated below and the fact that the cited source was a tabloid called "the mirror", hardly credible or up to wikipedias standards.Until Joe says that's his child or there is DNA evidence, she should not be included on this page.Tessie xo (talk) 05:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this in The Telegraph regarding Joe's alleged child. I agree the three other previously posted sources were questionable but I think the Telegraph is considered a reliable source. What do other editors think? ()Coaster92 (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: a single source that is basing its coverage on a story from the Mirror is not really the type of sourcing that we would want to use in a case like this. WP:BLP / WP:UNDUE -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Illegitimate child

message: This article is very much biased in favor of Joseph Jackson. Not objective at all. Does not meet Wikipedia standards. Too long. User:137.224.252.10
* I think it's absolutely correct. He abused his kids and now one of them gets all the blame and jokes.
Hmmm, maybe the sentence "Many credit him for discovering and molding his children's talents, helping to make the entire family something of an institution." could be rewritten into "Many discredit him for disturbingly exploiting his children's talents, helping to make the entire family belong in something of an institution." 85.226.122.227 01:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased?

message: I propose moving this page to a more specific page such as his full name, Joseph Walter Jackson, and making this a disambiguation page. Joseph Jackson is very common name and this page will be better used if it refers to all the other gentlemen named Joseph Jackson as well. Any objections? --Roswell native 09:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to make this page disambiguated and move current entry to Joseph Walter Jackson

message: Is La Toya really a "pop icon"? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to mention this man's most famous son? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.238.26.77 (talk) 21:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Toya instead of Michael? 

message: This article needs to say more about Joseph's current work. Until I edited it, the most current thing it said was Joseph's desire to organize a boot camp. It said nothing about where he is on that project. I acknowledged that the boot camp has started, but more people ought to elaborate on both the boot camp and Joseph's other current activities. Bibbly Bob (talk) 01:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Making it Current

message: According to the inductee list, there is no Joseph Jackson:
http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical-list/
Neither of The Hall of Fame entries for Michael and the Jackson 5 mention Joseph.
June 26, 2008
Of course Hall of Fame recognizes Michael and the 5. But why would a "hall of fame" mention Joseph Jackson.
Even when he is 80 years old, his 50 year old son dies and he can only publicize his record company.
I realize Joseph pushed so hard so he could get rich off of his kids. But dang! Did he have to push them away?
R&R Hall of Fame is not a 'House of Torture".
I feel sorry for the wife of Joseph Jackson. 
The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 05:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fame? 

message: Are he and Katherine still together? I just find it odd that she's been granted temporary custody of Michael's children if he's still in the picture. Are they living together?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.54.193 (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still married? 

message: Please change Joe Jackson's Parents names from Samuel Jackson and Crystal Lee King to: Father:  Andrew "Jack" Jackson Mother:  Mary (Molly) Ratliff/Radliff  
Major JACKSON2,16,90,110,134,135,136 was born in 1888 in louisiana.110  He was born in 1893 in louisiana.134  He was born in 1893 in louisiana.135  He was born in 1895 in louisiana.113  He was born in 1898 in Nachitoches Parish, La. He was born in 1898 in louisiana.136 He was born on 19 Dec 1898.16 He was born on 19 Dec 1898.90  He was born on 19 Dec 1898.16  He was born on 19 Dec 1898.16  He was born in 1899 in louisiana.125  He was born in 1900.134  He lived in Police Jury Ward 5, Natchitoches, Louisiana in 1900.110,136 He lived in Campti, Madison, Louisiana in 1910.113  He lived in Campti, Madison, Louisiana in 1910.125 He lived in Chicago, Cook, Illinois in 1930.134 He lived in Chicago, Cook, Illinois in 1930.134 He lived in Chicago, Cook, Illinois in 1930.135  He died in Feb 1974 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois.16,90 He was also known as Andrew Jackson.113  He was also known as Ethel Jackson.134  He was also known as Mayer Jackson.125  SSN issued: Indiana.16,90 He had Social Security Number 312-10-0686.16,90 fifth boy
Moved to Morgan Park in 1937
Name: Andrew Jackson JR
Age in 1910: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Jack
Father's Birth Place: Louisiana
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birth Place: Louisiana
Home in 1910: Campti, Madison, Louisiana
Marital Status: Single
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jack Jackson 60
Mary Jackson 39
Joe Jackson 3
Dave Jackson 17
Andrew Jackson JR 15
Isac Jackson 12
Mayer Jackson 11
Henry Jackson 8
Luther Jackson 7
Fred Jackson 6
Cleo Jackson 5
Wnnamed Jackson 8/12
Parents: Andrew (Jack) JACKSON and Mary (Molly) RATLIFF/RADLIFF.
Shanaland (talk) 04:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction to Joe Jackson's Parents  

message: It is ridiculous to describe him as "the patriarch" of his family. There is no such legal concept as "patriarch" in the U.S., grown ups are not subordinate to their parents, and women are not subordinate to their husbands. Such language is sexist and hopelessly outdated. As Jackson is primarily known for abusing his children, he was also not in good standing with his family, and was estranged from several of his children. Language that indicates the rest of the family was subordinate to him is ridiculous. Nashassum (talk) 15:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He was known as "the patriarch" of his family.  Perhaps that would be a better phrasing, whether or not the appellation is accurate.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 15:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexist and outdated language

message: Actually his parents's death years are lies because Katherine Jackson's mother Martha Upshaw-Scruse was the only Jackson grandparent who met the children younger then LaToya.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo'NiqueChild (talk • contribs) 20:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: I sure thought I had a handle on this, but then I started googling for news articles, press releases, and whatnot, and now I don't know what to think. Here's a sample of what I've found so far:
* 1928 birth year:
** July 16, 2008 - Chicago Celebrates Joe Jackson’s 80th Birthday
** July 25, 2008 - Joe Jackson celebrates birthday in Chicago
** August 7, 2008 - Joe Jackson Celebrates 80th Birthday Party Chicago Style
* 1929 birth year:
** July 28, 2009 - Scoop: Joe Jackson Plans 80th Birthday Bash
** August 25, 2009 - Inside Crazy Joe Jackson’s Chaotic Chicago Birthday Party!
I know that last one is just some kind of blog, but I found the following passage particularly telling:
:Even though his invites read that it was his 80th – he said he was 81 and other guests said he was even older than that. “We have been celebrating his 80th birthday for the past few years now,” one guest exclaimed.
My gut tells me that 1928 is probably more likely to be correct than 1929, but unless someone can provide a reliable source on this, then I suggest we add some sort of footnote to the article which describes the uncertainty regarding Mr. Jackson's birth year. Without it, we run the risk of going back and forth like this forever.
This is just one editor's opinion, of course; what does everyone else think? -- Bgpaulus (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to his official website (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html), he was born in 1928.  Nickm93 (talk) 20:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since his official web site says 1928 and the source in the article says 1928 I'm going to change his birth year to 1928.Sjö (talk) 17:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources currently cited in the article for his birthdate say 1929 (A&E's Biography.com, Katherine Jackson's My Family, The Jacksons), but the birthdate in the article itself keeps getting changed back and forth between 1928 and 1929. The official web site bio cited above by Nickm93 actually cites this Wikipedia article as the source for its 1928 birthdate, so we can't treat that as a reliable source. Seems to me this question has not been satisfactorily answered. Fortunately, Wikipedia has a guideline for dealing with situations like this. WP:APPROXDATE says when a birthdate is known to be either of two years, we should explain the uncertainty thus: "Anne Smith (born 1912 or 1913)..." rather than claiming certainty where there is any room for uncertainty. AtticusX (talk) 22:33, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to Katherine Jackson and the "Arkansas Black Hall Of Fame" reliable sources that are being ignored to get in a 1928 date, his birth is sourced there as "1929". Some person had even tried to change both of these sources to 1928. So, unless there is proof shown he was born in 1928, it should be at least 1928 or 1929 and not 1928 (from newspaper stories). Added to article more 1929 family sources.     
Those family sources uses wikipedia as a source. We can't use them. However, in this post from July 30, 2014 he says it's his 86th birthday. The official website cited by Nickm93 is not the same as the one being cited by   http://www.jwjackson.com/86-years-still-going-strong/ DrKilleMoff (talk) 03:44, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In what year was Joe Jackson ''really'' born? 

message: Here is an interview with the family. Between 4:00-5:00 it is briefly talked about.Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Joh Vonnie Proof 

message: In the public image section, it says that he has two daughters as the result of extramarital affairs. I know Joh' Vonnie is definitely his, but who is the other girl? Does someone have a source for this? In all my years following this family, I have never heard of a second love child.74.107.103.88 (talk) 17:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Image 

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message: Is there a source for the line "He was surrounded by his wife and his other children." in the death section? Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Section 

message: This is not a denial it's actually a confirmation
"****Both Joe and Katherine have denied the characterization of abuse. ****Katherine said that the whippings and physical punishments were common back then when Michael and his siblings grew up."
If this abuse had ended up in court a lawyer would seize upon this statement with glee, I'm not trying to just be difficult but that's not neutral language even though it seems to be at first glance 2001:56B:3FF9:D718:2007:CBED:4615:B9A5 (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor grammar