Talk:List of European countries by area

message: Why isn't Armenia on the list while Cyprus is?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariso Light (talk • contribs) 16:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been discussed time and time again. All three of the Caucasus states, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus (and sometimes even Kazakhstan) are included due to their geopolitical ties to the continent- irrespective of their geography. This is the standard set across almost all Europe-related articles and they are accompanied by notes highlighting their geographic location in West Asia. Cheers! Archives908 (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenia? 

message: The areaq of Denmark (as a European country) is listed as 44,493 sq. kilometers.   Then there is a note that measurement includes the faroe islands/Greenlans which is 2.2 million sq kilometers.    Obviously the 2.2 million is not included in the 44,493 figure.  I changed "measurement" to "Denmark" to indicate that that land is part of Denmerk but not in the 44,493 figure, and my change was reverted.   Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 03:41, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there has been a misunderstanding. The note means that the 44,493 figure includes the Faroes, and if Greenland would also be included, the number would be 2.2 million. I guess the revert you mention was mostly a matter of style: We had the wording "Measurement includes ..." for Norway and Portugal, so I guess that's why someone used it for Denmark as well. I think "Measurement includes" was a bit clunky though, so I just changed it to "Including". I hope that clears things up a bit. — Chrisahn (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I misread it and might still mis-read it if I just dropped in.  I read it as saying that Greenland was a part of the faroe islands. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, the wording still isn't great. The note for the Denmark entry says: Including the Faroe Islands; 2,210,579 km2 (853,509 sq mi) including Greenland; continental Denmark is 43,094 km2 (16,639 sq mi) in area. The semicolon after Faroe Islands is intended to end that part of the sentence, but I agree it's not very clear. But I can't think of a better way to express everything that's said in that note... :-( — Chrisahn (talk) 23:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark......am I missing something? 

message: Armenia doesn't belong in this list, since it is strictly in Asia. This list is simply based on geography, and not geopolitics. Cyprus should also be removed for the same reason Ddum5347 (talk) 00:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong oppose. Read the "Definition" section of the article. It very clearly states that, "Europe and Asia are contiguous with each other; thus, the exact boundary between them is not clearly defined, and often follows historical, political, and cultural definitions, rather than geographical". Cyprus and Armenia may sometimes be considered geopolitically European, despite them being geographically outside Europe's "traditional" boundaries. The article's definition is very clear about this. However, perhaps the wording in the lead can be changed to reflect that better. Archives908 (talk) 00:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

text: The Europe article includes both these states respectively. The terminology used there is: "The list below includes all entities falling even partially under any of the various common definitions of Europe, geographic or political". Area and population of European countries and List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe yet again include both Armenia and Cyprus with similar definitions. Therefore, I think it would be wise to adopt a similar wording in the lead here in order to align with other articles- for consistency's sake. Archives908 (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Agree. Neither Armenia nor Cyprus are in Europe. Both are in Asia. The whole list in inconsequential. I would suggest that all of the territory in the countries listed should be included. For Georgia, only the European part is listed, while for Armenia all the country is listed. If one lists all of Armenia and Cyprus, then clearly it would be much more logical to include all of Georgia and other transcontinental countries, as the latter at least have SOME territory in Europe. Also, Greece is listed as completely European, despite also having Asian parts. The easternmost islands of Greece are in Asia. Oddeivind (talk) 11:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Strong Agree. Cannot have all of the area of Armenia and all of Cyprus listed, while having only the European parts of Georgia and Azerbaijan and other transcontinental countries listed - that is inconsistent. If Armenia and Cyprus will be included in the list, their European areas should be listed correctly (i.e. 0) and then their total areas given as a note (as with the transcontinental countries).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.102.153.158 (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenia 

message: The asterisk next to Russia in the colourful list of countries image seems to not be explained. Please could someone add? I'm looking at the mobile version. It probably means Russia to Ural but not clear. Thank you. 95.146.56.63 (talk) 14:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image asterisk explanation missing 

message: Where is Gibraltar in the list?! Aminabzz (talk) 14:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not a country. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:110B:5058:3F5A:723B (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltar 

message: Which country is Crimea in? Of course it depends on who you ask, but apparently it also depends on what you're asking about. Data from the UN on population takes in data from each country, and Ukraine has said that they can't report any data for Crimea anymore. But Russia has said that they can, so the UN goes with it.
But for area, you don't have to ask if anything has changed if you assume nothing has changed. So the UN reports Crimea as part of Ukraine and leaves it at that.
So, reflecting the sources, the Europe area list and the big area list says Crimea is in Ukraine, while the Europe population list and the big population list say Crimea is in Russia. Similar figures are used on the Ukraine and Russia articles, although the Russia article adds caveats to each number.
I don't know how to resolve this difference. Maybe Crimea is Ukrainian land populated entirely by Russians (probably not). Assuming the situation could continue to change in the future and that there's no deadline, I'm not even advocating a change right now. But if anyone can offer any criteria for how to handle recently annexed land, please do so. Wizmut (talk) 05:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crimea 

message: Something odd happens with Portugal. In the current version of the table the European part of the country has 92,225 sq. km and when including the Azores and Madeira the area gets smaller – 91,568 sq. km, which cannot be true. 2dk (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is wrong. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:E51D:8114:E824:4CCF (talk) 02:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal 

message: @Hoborex made an interesting edit and I thought it deserved some mention here. The current note on most lists was written before 2022, so there's no mention of the most recent annexations of Ukrainian provinces by Russia.
This is different issue than changing which provinces are said to "belong" to either country, which would require most reliable sources to note any such change, along with a discussion here. Apologies to Hoborex for mistaking which issue he was taking up.
I noted on another talk page, so I'll note here, that statistics for Ukraine's area tend to reflect pre-2014 (CIA and UN agree, more or less), while population statistics tend to reflect post-2022 (the UN asks Russia what the answer is). So if you see slightly different treatment of Russia/Ukraine on different lists, that's why. Wizmut (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment Until Ukraine formally cedes those territories to Russia, they should count as parts of Ukraine. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:E51D:8114:E824:4CCF (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia's annexations of Ukraine 

message: Artsakh doesn't exist anymore as such. Its removal from other lists seems to be sticking, so there seems to be a quiet consensus that it's not a current item anymore. Wizmut (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead mate. 58.160.77.124 (talk) 09:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artsakh 

message: From a geographical point of view, only Lampedusa and Lampione are African islands. Linosa and Pantelleria are considered geographically Italian. Andrys8 (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian islands