Talk:New Girl in Town

message: I find it confusing to have the storyline thrown at the reader right at the start, when he would probably rather collect the credits (source, director, authors, etc.) and prepare him- or herself for the plot. This is a somewhat forgotten but very major show--major people, but also an attempt by musical-comedy folk to tackle a serious story in the Rodgers and Hammerstein manner. Segregating the synopsis would also invite editors to emend and refine it, which they really can't do when it's right at the top of the article. Also: the heroine's love interest is not Matt but Mat (as in the O'Neill play) and he was played by George Wallace--not George D. Wallace or G. D. Wallace, though he used all three names at various times.Fred Lane 06:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Per Estreya's and Fred Lane's comments, above, I am separating out the synopsis and adding info to the introduction per WP:LEAD, which states, "The consensus of many editors formed the conventions described here, and Wikipedia articles should heed these guidelines."  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 13:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As usual, Ssilver's edits resulted in an article that repeated a number of facts TWICE. While the suggestion that a synopsis be placed in a separate section because it's "confusing" otherwise and difficult to amend if it's "right at the top" seems odd - I would assume the average reader would recognize a synopsis as such without a headline explaining what it is, and any part of an article is open to editing, no matter where it is - I am willing to concede it should be so designated, but the repetition of info and a discussion of the production in an illogical, non-chronological order makes no sense. Also, I have found few articles about musicals or plays that list a cast of characters and find doing so to be of little value. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a Playbill.  And by the way - my original edit spelled "Mat" correctly, but Ssilvers changed it with the claim I was wrong. SFTVLGUY2 12:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: By separating sections this way, it becomes apparent what is still needed in the article and encourages editors to improve the article.   In addition to the detailed Film project guidelines on the subject, the Opera project and G&S project guidelines WP:G&S are very useful with respect to similar issues that arise in these types of musical theatre, such as list of songs/musical numbers and role/character list. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan/Opera articles.   Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I think this should got to WP:RFC/USER, not because SFTVLGUY2 doesn't make valuable contributions, he is indeed a prolific and even valuable editor. I too have had cause to question his actions (with interests in the London theatre) but he generally has a clear rationale for them, so I assume WP:GF. There are few articles that do not benefit from editing, but as Ssilvers et al point out the degree of excision is leading to continual editing disputes and a loss to articles' coverage and verification.
I don't think the point of this is to sanction SFTVLGUY2 but to obtain clear guidelines from the editorial team as to the level of editing that is being engaged in and find some way forward based on WP:CONSENSUS. One of the reasons for looking for intervention is to increase the participation in the discussion and to seek an unbiased opinion.
I would also suggest that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre participants' list be updated. One of the aspirations there was to provide a detailed guide to musical theatre. Kbthompson 15:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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