Talk:Wade Robson

message: OK, the problems start with "prodigy" and "acclaimed" and move on from there. The whole thing reads like a pr puff piece, not gonna argue notability atm but there's no NPOV and very little cite-able info here that I could find on a simple search (news search on his name came up with 4 articles - all associated with so you think you can dance contestants and 1 happy birthday wish.)The stuff about his childhood, education, success at 6 years old - couldn't find any of that. Michael Jackson testimony and awards can be verified, but again the cites need sifting thru - this was all written from info off subject's personal site and who knows where. The Spears/Timberlake stuff is pure gossip, couldn't find a single real cite and what is its relevance? Needs scrubbing.  EBY  (talk) 04:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wade Robson was teaching choreography classes to pop stars at age 11 the word prodigy is not over the top. People are only removing these things from his page because they don't like the allegations. That's not right. House Tules (talk) 09:59, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Peacock Tag

message: Please don't look for an excuse to discredit what was revealed in court. The emails revealed how he and his mother conspired to bring the  lawsuit forward and how she filled in his "memory" to bring claims forward.2601:447:4101:5780:6C83:42A9:AB42:F90 (talk) 03:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ,  - little help please? We may need to get this article protected. Popcornduff (talk) 03:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Why cover up a direct source? Scribd is most certainly not unreliable and is used as a library where these documents can be made public.2601:447:4101:5780:6C83:42A9:AB42:F90 (talk) 03:23, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone is covering anything up, but to use a source on an article like this we need a) for it to pass WP:BLPSOURCES, a pretty high bar, and b) to agree here that the material is WP:DUE in the article. If you have any suggestions for material to include, please raise them here. --MarchOrDie (talk) 07:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the source is a court document. BLP is also a lame excuse, as the source is neutral, verifiable, and not original research which was added by my own words. The due policy also refers to material with weight, which this edit was light with.2601:447:4101:5780:807F:49FF:5B6F:D6C9 (talk) 12:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A court document is a primary source and we would prefer a secondary one, especially on a BLP. Is there one? --MarchOrDie (talk) 15:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: At least one source, People Magazine, discussing how the Jackson estate's lawyers asked Robson to surrender the emails. As Jackson also fits in with the Power Elite of C. Wright Mills, it is hard to trust the mainstream media criticism. Even step 4 of Mills' Sociological imagination, which was ranked as the second most influential sociology book of the entire twentieth century, states "Know that journalism can be a great intellectual endeavor, but know also that yours is greater."2601:447:4101:5780:D4A6:22CF:881A:88 (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well People is a source, albeit not the best one. All we need now is a bunch of people here giving policy-based reasons why we should use this material. You could start us off if you wanted. --MarchOrDie (talk) 16:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Was away. Yes, I agree with reverts by Popcornduff. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Emails Rule Against Robson's Credibility

message: Shouldn't that be mentioned? Chaptagai (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackson estate denies allegations 

message: Not sure if this trivia is worth mentioning, but Wade went to Bancroft Middle School  in Hollywood, California.  It's a performing arts magnet.  Dance & choreography are among the courses.  144.178.0.146 (talk) 02:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life  

message: The addition made by user Funkof40000years at the end of the Allegations against Michael Jackson section about a leaked deposition video is incorrect and misleading. He wrote the following.
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If you follow the citations, they both refer to the same article; the first citation points to a copy of the article posted on Yahoo! Entertainment, and the second points directly to the original article at The Blast! website. The article in turn links to a web page titled Lies of Leaving Neverland that contains an embedded YouTube video with the same title. The video is clearly not Robson's deposition video. It's a 33-minute tabloid TV style hit piece on the Leaving Neverland documentary and its participants and contains only a few very short clips of Robson's and his mother's deposition videos. I'm removing the addition and leaving this Talk Page section to explain my reasoning. I think that if we're going to start listing all the videos and documentaries rebutting Leaving Neverland, it should be done on the page for Leaving Neverland. Metrowestjp (talk) 09:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a leaked deposition video 

message: Why edit out the fact that Robson’s story has changed and evolved since 2013? It’s in many articles, it’s in current lawsuits and the story is different than once being told in Leaving Neverland. Which version of the story do we add in this article? Leaving Neverland’s? 2013 version? Or one thereafter? TruthGuardians (talk) 14:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Where he has made different, contradictory claims we should report them all (assuming they are covered by reliable sources). There's no need to add extra analysis along the lines of "He has changed his story several times" or anything like that. Popcornfud (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Like I stated here, I reverted this material not only because most of it was unsourced, but because it was inappropriate in tone. If Jackson were still alive and it was some claim from Robson or Robson's family about why Jackson lost some deal or whatever, editors would object to it being there. And given what WP:BLP states, I don't see that there is a strong argument to include "but according to Jackson's family, his change of story was provoked by his failure to secure a job as lead choreographer of a Cirque du Soleil Michael Jackson show."  Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing and evolving abuse allegations  

message: I'm having trouble following the narrative presented in this article, and looking at sources isn't helping much. I can't figure out how many lawsuits Robson has filed. According to sources, he filed at least one in 2013; a judge dismissed one in 2015; and a probate court dismissed one in 2017. I can't figure out which case is which or how to present this in the article. Popcornfud (talk) 20:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many lawsuits?