Talk:Nikola Tesla/Archive 2

message: On par with a recent edit by Philosophus, I removed the line "It was possible that Tesla was told of the plans of the physics award committee and let it be known that he would not share the award with Edison." because it is seemingly an opinion placed in the middle of a biography. It could possibly be readded with a source stating "Some Biographers conclude......." Etc...
72.144.150.233 09:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is NOT an opinion placed in the middle of a biography. It is from various news stories of newspapers at the time. It is also recorded in most of the reliable biographies (Man out of time, Wizard, etc ...) which cite that he and Edison were told of this (and both were surprised when the prize was awarded to others). Removing the line is uncalled for and is another egregious act of removing information. 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is this "very unusual"?  17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: I removed "Tesla considered his exploration of various questions raised by science as ultimately a means to improve the human condition with the principles of science and industrial progress, and one that was compatible with nature.Kelley, Thomas Lee, "The enigma of Nikola Tesla". Arizona State University. [Thesis] (PDF)"   because its a very unusual line. I put it here in talk so someone can fix it up and have it make more sense, and be more "compatible" (no pun intended) with the article. 72.144.150.233 09:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is this "very unusual"?  17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Compatibility with Nature line

message: In thier article on Ferraris, Galileo ... "Meanwhile,  other physicists came independently to the same principle — among them Nikola Tesla, who applied and patented it. In the assessment of Thomas Edison they state, "yet [Edison] employed as his aides, at various times, a number of eminent mathematical physicists, such as Nikola Tesla and A.E. Kennelly." They themselves (though not explicity stating him being a physicists in his own article) call him a "Serbian U.S. inventor and researcher". And note, at the end of his entry that "Due to lack of funds, many of his ideas remained only in his notebooks, which are still examined by engineers for inventive clues.". 
This latest lil' series of "improvement" (and I use that term loosely) on the Wikipedia article of Tesla proves that Wikipedia suffers from opinions at the cost of facts. 
(ps. Inparticular the actions of User:Joke, User:Hillman, and User:William M. Connolley)
 14:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopædia Britannica 

message: Something should be added on Tesla currents (as defined in the 'IEEE dictionary') and Tesla's pioneering work in Electrotherapy. 
This article could be cited for a reference:
* Rhees, David J., Electricity - `The greatest of all doctors': An introduction to `high frequency oscillators for electro-therapeutic and other purposes'.  Proceedings of the IEEE. Vol. 87, no. 7, pp. 1277-1281. 1999  ISSN 0018-9219 
(PS., This is his article on it:  Tesla, Nikola, "High Frequency Oscillators for Electro-Therapeutic and Other Purposes". 1898-09-13. (ed., available from tesla.hu))
 14:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrotherapy 

message: I suspect the recent history of edits of this article may include some trolling, hence the new flag added to the headers at the top.  I hope that all editors who feel genuine passion will employ restraint and discuss possibly controversial changes in this talk page before trying to unilaterally implement them.  ---CH 23:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of it has been discussed. The majority of anon greivances on here have been generally ignored and as far as I've seen, the users who are editing this page are in cahoots with eachother. LaGrange 00:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Both 134.193.168.250 and User:177.140.153.233 have pointed out the unsound actions of WMC and Joke (I'm not as certain of your participation) in the editing of this page. LaGrange 00:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How ironical is your flag: ...Remember to always assume good faith. which you missed to assume yourself...Lakinekaki 05:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trolling? 

message: Note: this page is semi-protected at the moment, largely in response to anons breaking 3RR. I'm in favour of keeping it for a while; if anyone else has strong opinions that it should be lifted (or kept), please place them here where people can see. William M. Connolley 13:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for sharing. –Joke 16:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Linda Hall Library anon also edited History of perpetual motion machines very recently. ---CH 18:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected 

message: I've read some stuff about Tesla's car, which he apparantly demonstrated to his nephew Peter Savo in 1931. The car had an electric motor, but it seemed to get its power from some unknown but universally present source (dark energy, cosmic radiation, gravity). I'm no expert in the field so perhaps I'm talking complete nonsense here, but if it did indeed exist it would've been a fantastic yet forgotten invention. A "free energy" book you can order online claims to contain the instructions on how to build one yourself, but I doubt that as if that were the case we'd all be driving one now and free energy claims always tend to be overrated. Googling for Tesla's car brings up some information, but with little details and not always from the most reliable of websites. Does anyone know more about this and would it perhaps add to the article, or be worth an article of its own? BabyNuke 11:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seifer ("Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla".  (HC),  (SC)) talks about this, IIRC. Not sure if Valone's "Harnessing the Wheelwork of Nature" has anything. I'll look around. 204.56.7.1 17:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's car 

message: I have tried my utter best to portray this issue in NPOV. I have clearly stated that the topic of his natinality is disputed between Croatians and Serbs (which it is), and have taken absolutely no sides. Yes, I'm Croatian, and as much as I would like to post that Nikola Tesla was Croatian (and all Croatian children are thought this in school, even myself all those years ago), I conform to the NPOV rule just like everyone else should.
So please, don't revert this without just cause, which I doubt you could find.
xompanthy 15:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What to do, what to do?  This has got to be one of the silliest edit wars I have seen here to date.  I suppose it would be very naive of me to suggest that we call Tesla an American of Balkan heritage and leave it at that?---CH 11:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it would. And what you find silly others might not. -- xompanthy 14:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, since someone removed that section yet again, I find myself not caring. Keep it POV if it means that much to some people. -- xompanthy 20:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  I beleive Tesla's own words are the best guideline - he stated "I'm proud of my Serbian heritage and of my Croatian homeland..." . I could argue on both sides for many reason, but the truth is that he was of Serbian nationality, and of Cratian domicile (altough it was as many state a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire, Lika was integral part of Croatia, who shared the rights to Hungarian crown...and the ages of Tesla's youth are the ages in which the Croatian and pan-slavic (unity of all Slavic nations) ideas were the strongest...  they resulted with State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs , and later on with Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes...-- Vladimirko 22:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Tesla had American citizenship after all... --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: Can someone note that some "Tesla Coils" transmissions were "many" times the speed of light and that this is related to cherenkov radiation (and Bremsstrahlung which Tesla used in his X-ray experiments). Thank you. 204.56.7.1 17:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that when Tesla mentioned FTL transmission he was referring to Cherenkov radiation?  Can you give an example of a modern textbook (on physics?) which says this? ---CH 11:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FTL claims 

message: I NPOVed the Nobel Prize claims a month or two ago, but now they are back in their highly fan-like form. I have tried to fix them, but there seems to be some resistance. Could others look into making this have a NPOV? --Philosophus T 00:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nobel claims 

message: There needs serious help in outlining the Dynamic theory of gravity. Both CH and William M. Connolley seem to be pushing a anti-tesla POV (as seen from above and in that article). 
CH (User:Hillman) edits of POV - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=40547941&oldid=39938292
CH actions: 
*Removed referencecs to The Man Who Invented the Twentieth Century: Nikola Tesla, Forgotten Genius of Electricity, Robert Lomas, Headline Book Publishing, 1999. 
* Removed referencecs toTesla, Nikola, "How Cosmic Forces Shape Our Destiny". New York American, February 27, 1925.
* appeartly didn't know/uinderstand that Tesla release this statement to the press, as seen from this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=next&oldid=40537195 and here removing the citations that there was an Interview with press on 81st birthday observance  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=next&oldid=40541163
* put in "in Maxwell's theory there are no longitudinal electromagnetic waves" except that there are longitudinal electromagnetic medium waves (ex: waves in plasma) as seen from this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=next&oldid=40537850
* removed external sites that is relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=next&oldid=40541881
* putting in weasel words
WMC's actions, among other things:
* Removed "which some feel anticipates Ernest Rutherford's nuclear model of the atom. Tesla further claimed that there exist carriers transmitting "tensions or electrostatic strains". Some claim to see these statements as an anticipation of later work on elementary particles."
* Thinks he is Wolfgang Pauli by putting in "Today it could only be described as not even wrong" 
References to improve that article: 
* Seifer, Marc J., "Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla".  
* The Life of Nikola Tesla by John J. O'Neill (1944) Fourth Part SELF-MADE SUPERMAN http://rastko.org.yu/istorija/tesla/oniell-tesla.html#_Toc496780563
* Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity, from PowerPedia http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla%27s_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity
134.193.168.227 23:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dynamic theory of gravity]] 

message: I don't see why it simply doesnt state he was born in Croatia, instead of Austrian Empire...it doesn't make sense. If we follow this pattern then half of famous Americans were born in British Empire, Czechs and Slovaks in Czechoslovakia and so on...
:Tesla was not born in Croatia, because it didn't exist then. The part of the Austrian Empire that is now called Croatia was then called Vojna Krajina, so it would be more accurate to write that as well instead of just Austrian Empire. And you can't be born in a country that doesn't exist at the time of your birth, can you? I'm sure his birth certificate didn't show that he was born in Croatia, but rather Austria. --serbiana - talk 06:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't done your reading in full. Vojna Krajina, was the part of Croatia that had privileges and additional fundings from court as an defence zone from Ottoman Empire! ...and Croatia was constitutional part of Austro-Hungarian Empire!Vladimirko 17:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: There was no "Croatia" when Tesla was born. Aslo, what was called "Croatia" was much smaller then today's country known as "Croatia", it was only a small territory around city of Zagreb.Homo Cosmosicus 12:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Tesla was not of Croatian descend, nor he was half-Croatian half-Serbian. Both his parents were pure Serbs (In one letter Tesla writes about the deep medieval Serbian roots of his mother's family, the Mandićs). The fact that someone was born in Croatia doesn't make them Croats, you know. And Tesla wasn't even born in Croatia, he was born in what many years later became the Republic of Croatia. :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Tesla just can't be a Croat. At the time he was born, his birth place was not part of Croatia (and even if it was, then he would perhaps be a Croatian, and not a Croat again), and none of his ancestors were Croats. On the other hand, Tesla did have an American citizenship. Tesla was born in Austria-Hungary, he was a Serb by ethnicity, and an American by citizenship. Again, not a Croat at all. ;) --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Uros: you should have read Military_Frontier before editing the article, there were the Croatian and the Banat parts (Banat_Krajina). Phrase "in Croatian part of Military frontier" makes sense, please bring it back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zigzig (talk • contribs) 10:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in Croatia 

message: I'm not certain if this is being or already has been addressed, but I've noticed that several portions of the this article are word-for-word matches with the Tesla page at supernaturalminds.com/NikolaTesla.html . Just wanted to make people aware of this.
:Based on the age of the site, it looks like the copy/pasting happened the other way around, that site took info from this one. That is OK, but he should really be displaying the GFDL licence info... Phidauex 18:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible plagarism 

message: Noone ever mentioned any single relationship of Tesla with a woman, at least when he was young. All I know of this subject is an anegdote saying: "Once on a party a woman, a great admiror of Tesla's work, approached him and asked if she could meet him and he said: "I'm sorry, my wife electra would be very jelaous of that." Or it went something like that. Who knows what he and Mark Twain were doing in his lab during late night?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aljosa (talk • contribs) 
Tesla was a sought out by the ladies of high society. He did have very close relations with some women (the wife of one of his friend may have been a non-physical love). He though turned many young girl away, following the life of invention and the research of electricity (which he believed that he could not do to the fullest in the married life). He was not homosexual though, as you imply. Cheney, a biographer of his, in the documentry on his life insuinated that he may have impaired his manhood though (after a hot french actress kept bugging him). That is speculation though. 134.193.168.252
I didn't mean to imply that he was homosexual, it was more a joke. Wikipedians are often pretty stiff :) I think that wikipedia article on Tesla is pretty good and is trying to cover all aspects of his life but it can't really be complete without covering romantic aspect of his life/personality. So that's why I started this section - to find out more about this rather important part of life and to put at least one sentence about that in the article. Tesla was obviously in control of all biological needs of his body (e.g. strictly calculated diet).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aljosa (talk • contribs) 
He was an obsessive-compulsive anti-social recluse, I doubt that he ever dated anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cold water (talk • contribs) 
Howard Hughes was far quirkier and more OCD than Tesla, but was married, had mistresses, and reportedly had as lovers Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis, Gene Tierney, and Ava Gardner.Edison 15:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any romantic relationships? 

message: This article needs some serious toning down, so I have added a POV tag. Compare the bombastic introduction with the relatively modest phrasing in the Albert Einstein article. Personally after reading such an introduction, I am reluctant to take the rest of the article seriously. However the parts I looked at seemed to be good, and that introduction is doing the subject a disservice. Chicheley 00:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, his ethnicity is quite clear to everyone, and I have cited my sources. Only one user claims that this is not true, even though he has not shown a single piece of evidence. This is not reason enough to put a POV tag, and I have removed it. Instead, I would advise Afrika Paprika from being the only one that claims that Tesla was not a Serb. --KOCOBO 00:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody disputes him being a Serb, but it seams to me that you insist on not allowing appearance of any mentioning of Croatia in his introduction. I'm prepared to add his ethicity myself every time I see it removed, IF ALL the data about his birth are present. If not, to cut down disputes it's better to remove such references completely! I'm glad that you don't insist anymore on that obviously nationalistic propaganda article as refference in introduction... I consider it as a great progress, and there still might be some hope for this article!-- Vladimirko 01:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone it down please: POV tag added 

message: I can't claim to know much at all about Nikola Tesla, but I was scrolling through the article List of famous tall men and he is listed as having been 6'7".  Is this true?  70.50.53.38 22:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the first I've ever heard of Serbs being tall.  Does anyone know if there's proof for this claim of 6'7"?  If not, he really shouldn't be on that list.  70.50.53.38 01:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are all silly remarks. Some nations may be shorter than others but we are talking about an individual here. The tallest player in the NBA is Chinese, and Svetozar Marovic, a Montenegrin who presided over Seria & Montenegro is something of a shortie (by Montenegrin standards). Now as for Dalmatians and Montenegrins not being Serbs, well, this is a two-fold argument. On principle, a Montenegrin may not be, however, a person from Montenegro may be Serb, and they are the largest ethnic minority in that country. Dalmatians mostly identify as such at a regional rather than national level, as such, the majority of Dalmatians are Croats, but there are Dalmatians who are Serb too, and another thing: the variation in height affects areas and not Slavic denominations: the fact that Montenegro has such a high average is attributed to all living within its borders, and ethnic Serbs are just as tall as ethnic Montenegrins. In Croatia, the same, in places where Serbs can trace their origins back for three centuries, their typical presence is closer to non-Serb locals than to Serbs living hundreds of kilometres away. Equally, Croats themselves vary in height from one place to another: Dalmatian Croats are said to be tall but in Zagorje, there are far fewer tall characters, by that I mean Serbs and Croats alike. Tesla has been claimed by both Serb and Croat nationalists; and moderates from both sides have also at various times conceded that he belongs to the other nation. His height cannot stand testimony but during his time in this world, both the Serbian and the Croatian modern national visions were born, so he could well have been either. We need to find evidence of how he defined himself before he assert what he was and what he wasn't. Evlekis 12:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's height 

message: I read somewhere that Montenegro has the tallest people in the world.
Serbs and Croats are also fairly tall and that would make you wander "all 3 ethnic groups might share the same genetics and origins"
I don't think Bosnians, Macedonians and Slovenes are as tall and might be more mixed with other ethnic groups.
Interesting as people here are debating origin of Tesla.
I would think there is enough evidence to support that he was a Vlah by origin(What's a Vlah today?.
Not sure on the time line when these Vlah ancestors came to Croatia but they came to Croatia. His father was clearly as Serb. Confusing but clear.
Tesla ancestors and last name were Vlah origin , but he was Serb as was his father, Tesla was born in what is Croatia today.
FAIR ENOUGH
Jagoda 1 23:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the same reasons as I pointed above, the similarily in genes will affect people living closest together, gradually becoming different as you move farther away. I believe that the region from where Tesla originated is renouned for its giants, indeed they will have close genetic links even if they self-identify as a seperate ethnic group. The term Vlah varies according to region; the only people to call themselves Vlah in the census are certain Romanian ethnic individual groups from certain areas; Croatia does have a traditional Romanian population in the shape of the Istro-Romanians and there is every reason why ones surname may be Romanian/Vlah or anything else in origin. Again I say, Tesla's father may have been Serb by declaration but one needs to be absolutely sure that Tesla himself identified as such. Evlekis 12:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standing tall in fairness 

message: In Margaret Cheney's book, she mentions that he was a good, and perhaps great, poet.  I've never come across any of his work, and my Serbian friends - raised under Tito's regime - drew a blank on this, although they'd heard of his writings outside of engineering.  Does this get mentioned in any of the other bios of him, and if so, is there any further detail?  I understand he was also something of a musical aficionado, and I think a minor composer as well.....Skookum1 23:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's Poetry ? 

message: The article under education says he received several degrees from Graz. Seifer, "Wizard.."p17 says he did not take his final exams senior degree and did not receive a degree from the school." So where is a verifiable source to prove he graduated from the Polytechnic at Graz with all the various degrees? Certainly he studied there, but more than one source says he did not receive a degree.Edison 03:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seifer(op cit) says p17 " Exam time came, and Tesla was unprepared. He asked for an extension to study but was denied. He never graduated from the Austrian Polytechnic School and did not receive any grades for his last semester there." p18 says Tesla's father could not get him to return to Graz and complete his studies, so he started afresh at Charles-Ferdinand branch of the University of Pragus, for the summer term.  This does not sound like "graduate studies" as stated in the article. He left after that term (p20) so it does not appear he obtained an undergraduate or graduate degree there either. Authorities Seifer cites for details of Tesla's college years include his roommate, Kosta Kulishich, "Tesla nearly missed his career as inventor; college roommate tells," Newark News, August 27, 1931 and also cites William Terbo, Tesla's great nephew, honorary chairman and cofounder of the Tesla Memorial Society, and life member of the International Tesla Society.Terbo in 1983 said it was likely Tesla was dismissed for gambling and womanizing. In the Wiki article is a citation to Wysock et al which states he got the degree at Graz; the Wysock article does not provide a citation as to how they knew this fact. Perhaps someone could in Newark could verify the Newark News article. Did Tesla in any writing of his own ever claim to have graduated? Does anyone have access to the Tesla Museum to see if they have a diploma among the many volumes of documents Tesla kept? Does Graz Polytech still exist and do they say Tesla graduated? Even without the formal degree, he was better educated in physics than many 19th century electrical authorities. Pending verifiable sources for graduation, the article shoud state that he attended college but did not graduate (like Bill Gates!).Edison 15:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your postings with 4 tildes. In the 1875-1876 schoolyear at Graz, Tesla took 11 courses, for a total of 46 hours of credit. He received a grade of “vorzüglich” for each course, corresponding to A+ in U.S. grading. He took "Experimentalphysik" for 5 hours with Prof. Jakob Pöschl, the chair of the physics department, and thereby learned an excellent  coverage of electrical physics. He apparently took another physics course with Pöschl in his second year.Pöschl  purchased a small Gramme machine which was the first reasonably good motor and generator, and which impressed Thomas Edison as well, inspiring his motor-generator development. A generator is basically a loop of wire rotating in a magnetic field, or a stationary loop of wire with a rotating magnet, and naturally tends to produce alternating current. The Gramme machine was a state of the art motor or generator, with a series of coils embedded in a soft iron ring, which rotated in a magnetic field. By having a series of loops, a nearly continuous current was produced. I see this as the inspiration for Tesla's motors and generators with the rotating magnetic field. A commutator connected to each coil in turn  to keep the current always flowing in the same direction. Tesla saw that the commutator produced sparking and a loss of efficiency, and suggested doing away with the brushes. So the DC machine of Gramme in the physics class was the inspiratiuuon for his AC concepts, but it was not used as an AC machine. AC generation, transmission, and use was not taught in the class, except in the sense that AC is the natural result of a simple coil rotating in a field, or a magnet going in and out of a coil.  Edison 15:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Studies at Graz 

message: Please stop reverting to your version of this article. The Nobel claims have been discussed at great length, and it is extremely unlikely that what you are writing is correct. Your changes to the  school portions would require a citation. The current text already has a citation there, and changing it creates problems with that citation. In addition, please stop using devious methods to revert. --Philosophus T 18:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that makes sense for the school part. But the Nobel part doesn't seem right. Nominations are not made public, and most of the information there is just pure speculation. --Philosophus T 18:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nikola Tesla]] 

message: Tesla has lived in the USA since he was 28 until the end of his life, had the USA citizenship, and was by no doubt American. Being an ethnic Serb, he belonged to the numerous Serbian-American community, which exists today as well. Some people (Croatians?) seem not to understand the term Serbian-American and keep deleting it: it means primarily American, while the Serbian part is the ethnic reference, like Italian-American, African-American, Native-American etc. Although Tesla was a proud American, he also cherished his Serbdom, Serbian language and Serbian/Yugoslavian connections, and contributed much to the Serbian-American community in the USA. Marechiel 12:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  IIRC, Tesla was also at pains to the ethnic rivalry and civil strife that existed in his homeland. Mabey something to put into the personal views if a few refs can be found. 134.193.168.253 17:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is a another topic that has little to do with his ethnicity and nationality, which was Serbian-American. Tesla was one of the founders of Serbian-American community and a person whose name is cherished the most by the already mentioned Serbian-American community. Considering his political views, Tesla was a supporter of King Alexander's ideas, and a supporter of young King Peter II and his Chetniks during WWII (Tesla&KingPeter.jpg), as the whole USA were at the time, but this is a another topic. See this: Tesla: Tribute to King Alexander (MS Word Document). Marechiel 19:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yep ... this is a another topic, but it does deal with his ethnicity and nationality (which was Serbian-American). It (his views on his homeland) would be a good thing to cover in the personal views section. 134.193.168.253 19:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla was Serbian-American, what seems to be the problem with it? 

message: In the time when Tesla was born, the village where he was born belonged to the Military Frontier province of the Austrian Empire. This province was governed directly from Vienna and was not part of what was then Croatia. Area was included in Croatia in 1882 and Tesla was born in 1856, thus I hope that some people here are able to understand this simple historical fact. PANONIAN (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: :The proof is in your history book for elementary school. I hope you had one? PANONIAN (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth 

message: The article contains no mention whatsoever to Tesla's work for generating power from the Niagara Falls. It was a childhood wish that came true for him. 
Also, I think Tesla's missing papers should be mentioned more thoroughly. --Jambalaya 10:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's work at Niagara Falls and the missing papers 

message: This edit war is not helpful. Please discuss your positions below and attempt to reach a consensus. If everyone can agree to do that at least, I will lift the protection. Disclaimer: The protection of a page on any particular version is not meant to express support for that version. Kaldari 07:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm tentatively unprotecting, since apparently no one cares any more. If you want to change any information about Tesla's nationality, please discuss it here before editing the article. Kaldari 14:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war regarding nationality information in the intro 

message: The article says "Tesla" redirects here, but in fact Tesla redirects to the unit Tesla (unit). — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 13:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin: Please fix redirect comment (as its protected) 

message: Due to my lack of familarity with the scientific nature of Tesla's work, I don't feel comfortable reviewing it for GA. (Especially when it comes to assesment of WP:V and NPOV). However, I will say that I was thoroughly impressed with this article. I felt that the prose flowed well with nothing overtly technical that couldn't be answered with the corresponding wiki-link. After reading the article, I felt more knowledgeable and enriched--which is obviously a nice mark for a very informative piece. Kudos to the article's editors. :) Agne 17:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of good edits have added to the article, but there is way too much nationalistic edit-warring and ethnic boosterism:"world-renowned" "one of the most important inventors in history" "well known" "Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture.""he was widely respected as America's greatest electrical engineer" "many of his discoveries were of groundbreaking importance" all lack citations, and detract greatly from the quality of the article. If the article had only accolades which came from books, speeches, awards ceremonies, or eulogies, the article woud be greatly improved.  He won 2 major awards, and was widely praised at his funeral and in books from major publishers. Find where quotes similar to the ones above can be attributed to scientists and other leaders and the article will improve in quality and have a better chance of becoming a featured article. I think it can be shown that he was extremely important to AC electricity development and high frequency electricity including X-rays, and to radio remote control from 1882 to 1900, after which he drifted off into mad scientist mode, except for his high speed turbine invention around 1906. Eddy Kurentz 17:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tremendous work 

message: I evaluated the article based on 7 criteria:
#Well-written: Pass
#Factually accurate: Pass 
#Broad: Pass 
#Neutrally written: Pass
#Stable: Pass 
#Well-referenced: Pass
#Images: Pass
Congratualtions, it passes!  As opposed to the person above, I feel comfortable reviewing this article precisely because I don't know much about him, other than the technical side.  This is a wonderful article, and I heavily encourage the editors involved to try to push it to Featured Article status. --PresN 22:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't know enough about the subject, how can you tell it's "factually accurate" or "neutrally written"? Have you taken into account the information that is not in the article or what's in the article? --Jambalaya 14:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAC 

message: I find it odd that there's not much discussion of one of Tesla's little-known accomplishments: the discovery of x-rays.
Is this timeline correct?
 * Tesla mentions discovering a new form of radiation, keeps it secret, but does make photos of bones in his hand
 * His research is destroyed when his lab burns down on March 13, 1985
 * Roentgen discovers "x-rays" on November 8, 1985
 * Tesla makes no claims, but he does send Roentgen a glass photography plate taken from the remains of his burned lab: a photo of human hand w/visible bones
:I seriously doubt that Tesla sent Röntgen anything in 1985, as Tesla died in 1945, and Röntgen died in 1923.  Perhaps you're referring to the 5th Avenue lab fire of March 1895, instead?  :-)  If so, it sounds plausable, but you'd want to find a citation before adding, to avoid the ire of the crowd.   ◉ ghoti 19:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lol  Obviously my typo.  I forgot to "save page" after preview.  Yes, Roentgen announced the discovery of x-rays in 1895 and not 1985.  I've fixed it above.  but you'd want to find a citation before adding.  More than one Tesla book mentions this issue, in particular "Tesla: Master of Lightning" pp74-75.  Also, already the current WP Tesla entry states that Tesla started working with x-rays in 1882 and says that Tesla became aware of them specifically in 1892  (probably in reference to "On light and other high frequency phenomena" lecture at the IEE and Royal Society lecture of 1892.)    So the photos recovered from the 1895 fire show that Tesla apparently was making x-ray photographs a half a year before Roentgen at the very least.  In other words, Tesla discovered x-ray photography, then sat on the discovery.  (This is a common difference between scientists and inventors.  Inventors keep secrets.  Scientists publish, and they publish fast before others beat them to the punch.)  --Wjbeaty 23:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've un-done the changes to your original post so that folks reading this will have a clue what we're talking about.  If you've got these specifics, including titles, page and ISBN numbers, then go ahead, be bold and add the information, with references.   ◉ ghoti 03:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This topic is probably Original Research.  But I'm still thinking.  There's a big problem: the book "Prodigal Genius" mentions that in 1892 when Tesla was experimenting with HV single-electrode vacuum tubes, he claimed to have discovered "light, black light, and a very special radiation."   The same book says that before the lab fire, Tesla using this "special radiation" to produce  shadowgraphs on film contained in metal boxes.  And the book "Tesla: Master of Lightning" says that Tesla had made an accidental shadowgraph of a human foot in a high-lace shoe which was recovered from the rubble of the 1895 fire.   Yet in his 1897 lecture "On the Streams of Lenard and Roentgen With Novel Apparatus for Their Use," Tesla very definitely stepped aside and let Roentgen have the credit for x-rays.  Knowing what we know of Tesla's prior shadowgraphs of human bones, it appears that Tesla was being either polite or dishonest in concealing his own discovery.  Polite, in not stealing Roentgen's thunder, and dishonest in not letting the physics community find out the embarassing fact that Tesla had discovered x-rays months (years?) previously, but had kept the discovery hidden from other scientists.  --Wjbeaty 05:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Tesla did not show any witness his invention, did not apply for a patent, and did not write about it, he could have been accused of fakery if he came forward after he heard of Roentgen's work and said he had invented it first. He had too much class to want to look like a false claimant. Eddy Kurentz 17:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla discovers X-rays?! 

message: I'm trying to decide whether or not to remove the semi-protection on this article. Normally semi-protection should only be used for a short period of time, although exceptions are made for articles that are subject to long-term edit wars or vandalism problems. The semi-protection on this article seems to be doing a good job of reducing the edit-warring that the article was subject to previously. It seems that most of the disruption was coming from IP accounts who were only interested in a pro-Serbain or pro-Croatian POV, and not actually interested in the quality of the article. What do other people think? Is it time to remove the semi-protection or is it serving a useful purpose? Kaldari 17:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think most of the people edit warring about Tesla's nationality are necessarily interested in presenting a balanced and historically-accurate account. Kaldari 18:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm unprotecting the article tentatively. Let's hope it can stay that way. Kaldari 16:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Could someone change all occurences of Conductor (material) to Electrical Conductor? on this page? InvertRect 16:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Why not just do it yourself though?  In the time it took to type that message you could have done it.  Sparkhead 22:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request - Filled 

message: If you look up Alternating Current in Wikipedia, it states that it was "devised by many contributors including Nikola Tesla, George Westinghouse, Lucien Gaulard, John Gibbs, and Oliver Shallenger from 1881 to 1889."  
But if you look up Nikola Tesla in Wikipedia, it states that he "studied electrical engineering at the Austrian Polytechnic in Graz, Austria (1875). While there, he studied the uses of alternating current."  
How could he have studied the uses of alternating current in 1875, if he was one of the inventors of it years later???
:I think its bad wording rather than wrong dates. There is a big difference between alternating current as a theoretical possibility/lab curiosity/future idea and alternating current as a practical means of power transmission. Plugwash 19:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telsa and alternating current - Wiki dates are wrong 

message: Discuss. Kaldari 21:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Serbo-Croat" or Central-South Slavic is a diasystem (or dialectal continuum). Croatian and Serbian are languages. Afrika Paprika 05:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah Africa, like Illinois and Indiana are two languages. Pure bullshit.Edison 04:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: You're saying he spoke Serbian and Croatian, which implies he spoke two languages. But he spoke the same language with both Serbs and Croats, and it logically follows that Serbian and Croatian are the same language. And I think you'll find that they are considered one language by most non-Croat linguists. One example at random: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/slavonic/staff/ --estavisti 05:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement that he spoke two of these languages is PC statement. He spoke Croatian actually as he was born in Croatia and educated in Croatia. The fact Croatian and Serbian are mutually inteligible doesn't mean they are the same language...f.e. Czech and Slovak; Danish, Swedish and Norwegian; Macedonian-Bulgarian, etc. Stating that he spoke some fantasy never existing "Serbo-Croat" language is just false and wrong. Afrika Paprika 21:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pure bullshit. One language , two slightly different accents. maybe Kentucky and Illinois speak two different languages??Edison 04:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: He was actually born in Military Frontier part of Croatia, which was inhabited by a large Serb majority. Both of his parents were the Serbs. Thus, his native language must be Serbian. It is not logical that members of a Serb family could ever speak Croatian between themselves. ;) And he attended the primary school in Gospić, a town in the Frontier, and thus he spoke Serbian there, too. He could have heard Croatian for the first time only when he went to Karlovac to attend the gymnasium. But he also attended the University of Prague and yet I wouldn't say that he spoke Czech (as a native language). :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 21:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Tesla, he was born in the Military Frontier of Austria Hungary, not of Croatia. Croatia (the country) was created much later. Edison 04:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: All Serbs in Croatia are speaking and have spoke Croatian language and Tesla was no exception. Just like most if not all Croats in Serbian speak mainly Serbian language. He also did not attend only elementary school in Gospic but he also went to high school in Karlovac and later came to study in Zagreb from where he later went to Vienna, Budapest, Prague, New York (not nesscesarily in that order of course). Afrika Paprika 21:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, please... I wonder, was the Gorski vijenac that both Tesla and his mother knew by heart in Croatian too? And all the other Serbian folk poems Tesla's mother Djuka knew. And the Serbian folk stories she told him before he went to sleep. Were they in Croatian? And perhaps Tesla's father, who was a Serb Orthodox priest, served in Croatian? No, I'm sure they all actually were pure Croats! Just they didn't know that; there was no you to tell them. :) You see, perhaps Croats in Serbia in deed speak Serbian, but they have to, because they live in a Serb environment. On the other hand, in Lika, during the Tesla's lifetime, Serbs were the majority, and they were speaking Serbian freely, with no Croatian influences, unlike Serb-influenced Croats in Serbia (I believe you know that Military Frontier was NOT part of Hungary like neighbouring Croatia and Dalmatia [which were inhabited by the Croats, and the Frontier was inhabited by the Serbs], but under the direct jurisdiction of Austria). --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So in order to tell someone Serbian folk stories you must tell them in Serbian? LOL. That is really ridiculous right there. And btw. 'Military Frontier' was still part of Hungary(and Croatia) althogh it was under direct command of the army and the court as a buffer zone. Serbs were a minority btw. in the Slavonian and Croatian Military Frontier...substantial minority but a minority nonetheless. Afrika Paprika 20:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was not part of Hungary. It was under the direct jurisdiction of Austrian court. In Lika Serbs were the majority. Can you provide some references for your claims? --Djordje D. Bozovic 20:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was part of Croatia. Banatian Frontier was part of Hungary. And exactly, it was under the direct jurisdiction of the Austrian court and the King/Emperor. Nominally it was still and it never ceased to be part of Croatian kingdom. In Lika Serbs were a relative majority. For example in 1910. there were 104 000 Serbs and 100 000 Croats....what "huge majority". If we look at data of the whole Croatian and Slavonian Frontier(the one which is today part of Croatia) Croats were majority. Afrika Paprika 15:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Academic historian Sima Ćirković: "Teritorija Vojne granice bila je izuzeta ispod vlasti bana i Hrvatskog sabora. Teritorija Hrvatske, koju su suvremenici nazivali 'ostaci ostatka Hrvatskog kraljevstva' bila je na taj način još jednom okrnjena." (The territory of Military Frontier was not under the jurisdiction of the Ban and the Croatian Parliament. Thus, the territory of Croatia, which was called 'the remnant of the remnants of Croatian Kingdom' by the people of that time, was once again shortened.) So? :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 14:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Here is Tesla's father biography, with a statement that Milutin Tesla wanted to open a Serbian-language high school in Gospic (I don't know why, perhaps because he was speaking Croatian, like all the other Serbs in Croatia? :)). Then you have ...Ivo Andrić, the famous Nobel laureate in literature who wrote in Serbian, or Nikola Tesla... at . This site says: Other than in mother tongue Serbian, Tesla was fluent in six other languages. But I couldn't find anything other than this. :( It seems that Nikola Tesla had no mother tongue at all! And that ends our discussion - the problem is solved! ;) However, here you can find this: He spoke five languages fluently, but English was
his mother tongue. :D lol! Now what can one say? --Djordje D. Bozovic 23:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Seriously, why should anyone point out that Serbian was Tesla's native language? It is quite enough just to say that he was a Serb, and it is logical that a Serb would speak Serbian, isn't it? His mother was singing Serbian epic poems (her family, as Tesla once stated himself, was one of the oldest Serbian families, having roots in the Middle Ages). His father was a Serb priest. There is no way that he could hear them two speaking Croatian, really. :) Don't be ridiculous! --Djordje D. Bozovic 23:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But why don't we pick up a sentence written by Tesla himslef in his native language and analize it? Is there anything like that? --Djordje D. Bozovic 23:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems most of his published writing was in English. Kaldari 07:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, the speakers' preference is what makes the languages different. Have you ever heard of this saying: A language is a dialect with an army and navy. True, isn't it? --Djordje D. Bozovic 22:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbo-Croat vs. Serbian and Croation 

message: Both quotations can be found in Margaret Cheney's biography of Tesla. So it can be used as a source. Somebody please source it when this page becomes unlocked. Horvat Den 22:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cheney book is a reliable source, even if there are mistakes in it, so if something has it as a a source, it is fine to cite it in the article and remove the 'fact' tag. If a different book says otherwise, then the article can be kept neutral by citing that as well. Eddy Kurentz 17:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The two <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki>s 

message: It's been a while since I've read Tesla's Bio, but I believe I read his younger brother fell down the cellar stairs horsing around or some cellar stairs involved accident- age five seems young to have had a horse riding accident, usually children this young would be supervised by adults. I'll try to find where I read this and get back.
:Tesla had an older brother Dane, who died in a horse riding accident at the age of 22, in the time when Tesla was five. --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brother's Story 

message: Why does it link to Croatian Krajina, a very poor stub, instead to the rich Military Frontier article? Also, the seperation on "Croatian" and "Slavonian" was by-gone abandoned (simply on districts) by the time Tesla was born... I have no idea who changed the link to "Croatian Krajina", as it seems like trying to present a POV, at the cost of a very good article. --PaxEquilibrium 16:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I have read that Nikola Tesla was given the credit for inventing the Radio.
The invention was credited to Tesla in 1942. Why do people still say Marconi invented the Radio today? 
Was the credit of 1942 taken back and given back to Marconi?
Jagoda 1 03:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Inventing radio" is a pretty meaningless phrase.  See Nathan Stubblefield, who transmitted voice messages in 1892. Marconi used electromagnetic waves to send telegraph signals to great distances, like across the Atlantic Ocean, and his company put wireless units on many ships. Tesla did not. Such is fame. Edison 04:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla Invented the Radio, not Marconi 

message: Is the note of him being proud of his Serbian ethnicity and Croatian homeland in the intro? It isn't that relevant at all... --PaxEquilibrium 18:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: I think July 9/10 should be restored, as many sources give that –  . Biruitorul 06:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 15:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural depictions of Nikola Tesla]] 

message: After Estavisti flagged the quote from Tesla's book My Inventions as needing a more authoritative citation , I went to Amazon.com and used the "search inside this book" feature to locate the quote.  I searched for both "I am proud" and "Croatian homeland" within the book and came up with nothing.  However, the Croatian National Tourist Board's website claims that Tesla used that quote in at least one telegram.  With that in mind, are there any objections to me putting the quote back into the article, and citing it with the CNTB's website? (Thanks Estavisti for flagging this issue.) - Walkiped 19:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from ''My Inventions'' 

message: What is meant by the line in the "Middle Years" section:  "Also in the late 1880s, Tesla and Edison became adversaries in part due to Edison's promotion of direct current (DC) for electric power distribution over the more efficient alternating current advocated by Tesla and Westinghouse."  How is AC more efficient than DC? Does it have some sort of technical meaning or is it a bit of NPOV? I honestly don't know and wonder if this needs som emore clarity. --Gangster Octopus 21:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See War of the currents. AC can be easily stepped up to thousands of volts and sent for great distances over relatively small wires, then be stepped back down the the voltage used in homes and businesses. DC required a generating station every 2 or 3 miles and big conductors. The efficience probably refers to less power lost on the conductors because the current is reduced when the voltage is stepped up. AC won the battle by the 1890's, although big city utilities kept supplying DC to some customers for many decades, since the customers had elevators, pumps etc that continued to work fine on DC.Edison 05:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, AC loses some energy via radiation.  It is the convenience overall of properties of AC, especially its flexibility using transformers and efficiency of AC motors (particularly 3-phase ones), that seem to have prevailed in practice. — DAGwyn 22:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: True, Tesla was not a Serbian, since he never lived in Serbia. But he was a Serb by ethnicity, despite that he was born in what is today Croatia. And the adjective meaning of Serbs is Serbian. Read the sentence once again - it does not say that Tesla was Serbian-American, it says that he was Serbian-American scientist, which is not the same. --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Why then Tesla says that Croatia is his homeland???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.164.141.73 (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC/DC Efficiency Question 

message: Thomas Edison (And I really don't care if I mispelled his name.) is dumb. I don't know why we are saying that he did a lot for the science...
Tesla created many thing that we are still using in our days. But most of all, he created 2 thing that are not in the article and IT SHOULD BE!
First of all, he created a Free energy and secondly he created a tower wich was able to conduct the electricity in the Atmosphere to an another tower. Those 2 great invention were removed from him by the gouvernement. So why his best project are not in those page! And by the way. Don't support G.W.Bush in any possible way. Well, if you care of your own world. And by the way, I suggest you to do some ressearch about free energy, 911, Terrorstorm, IgnoranceIsntBliss, They Want Your Soul, Electric Car, An Inconvenient Truth, New World Order and after that, give the information to anyone. But if you are too sacred and don't want to believe it cause it don't suit your perception of the world, then I hope you will survive the next decade... Without becomming slave or dead as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by INeedMoreInfo (talk • contribs).
You missed out the bit about the black helicopters, the Rosicrucians and the lizard people. Great spelling, though. Notreallydavid 14:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I want to know why the greatest of Tesla's project are not here... 

message: Since this page is protected, please add this:
Once that's done, Tesla should probably redirect here.
: added. timrem 04:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Added "fact" tag to the boasts in the intro. It is unencyclopedic to repeatedly say things like "Tesla is regarded as one of the most important inventors in history." Find a book where the author said it and is a reliable source. "In the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture." Ditto. Find a source. "he was widely respected as America's greatest electrical engineer. " Find a source where some scientific or engineering organization said it. He certainly made major contributions to electrical engineering, but surely when he won awards they said similar things about him. That would count for something. This sounds like boasts by his descendants or countrymen, and is like someone saying "X is the greatest musician in the world" or "Y is the best football player in the world" which would both get promptly edited out if they don;t have a source saying it. If it is the opinion of an editor, then it is original research and must be removed. Let's put in similar claims, properly sourced, so they do not violate WP:NOR. Thanks Eddy Kurentz 15:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The boasts at the beginning will surely keep this article from getting featured status. They still are POV and lack reliable sources. Someone added footnotes 3,4, and 5 and removed the "Fact" tags. But surely there are better references than websites of fan clubs to support the boasts. Sources should be reliable, like WP:RS describes, and these are not, since one is a photo site where anyone can write anything, the second is a fan club or organization devoted to promoting the inventor, and the third is a site devoted to promoting Serbian national pride.  Where are quotes from independent organizations, scholarly journals, or organizations presenting him with prizes? Isn't there anything quoted in the books by Cheney, O'Neill or Seifer? The present sources behind these boasts are nothing more than window dressing, non-reliable sources: 
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdredding/279133663/  A site where anyone can apparently say anything
*http://www.teslasociety.com/  a fan club
*http://news.suc.org/people/tesla/index.html a national pride organization
Thanks Eddy Kurentz 19:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unencyclopedic boasting 

message: It might be worth mentioning in the article that he also has an elementary school named after him in Novi Sad. Stop The Lies 11:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many primary and secondary schools all over Serbia named after Nikola Tesla, not only in Novi Sad. --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but that's the most special one :P (I went there hehe) Stop The Lies 12:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikola Tesla Elementary School in Novi Sad 

message: Tesla was born in Croatia so he is a Croatian inventor.
:As far as I know, Tesla was born in Austria-Hungary, not Croatia. He was born in the province named the Military Frontier, whose population was mostly Serbian, and Tesla was a Serb himself, being son of a Serbian Orthodox priest. His mother was also a daughter of a Serbian Orthodox priest. Both his parents and all his ancestors were Serbs (in one letter Tesla said that his mother's family is an old Serbian family whose roots reach as far as the Middle Ages). Tesla was only born in what many years later became the Republic of Croatia. Now, do you claim everyone who was born in what is now Croatia a Croatian? Even if they were born in, let's say, the prehistory? --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, Tesla was not born in Croatia. He was only born in what many years later became the Republic of Croatia. --Djordje D. Božović 15:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla is croatian scientist 

message: put in List of Tesla patents? 69.76.192.205 20:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unless I've missed the point of your question. (Emperor 22:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Tesla patents 

message: Intro Section.
This sounds like hearsay:
"Tesla is said to have contributed in varying degrees..."
Make it:
"Tesla is is credited with contributing in varying degrees..."
::Please cite the reliable source in each case which credited him. Edison 05:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prose Request -- "Said to Have" 

message: Are any editors here involved in, and responding to, the current FAC nomination?  This article is so close to FA status, yet the FAC is currently nothing but "objects" on a number of points that aren't too hard to fix. I'm writing here only because it would be so nice to see a successful featured article candidate on an important and interesting encyclopedia article like this. Thanks. –Outriggr § 00:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One sticking point seems to be "Recognition and honors". A fix might be moving Nikola Tesla in popular culture to "Cultural depictions of Nikola Tesla" (see suggestion above) and add the bulk of that material in there and polish it all up. Most other things are easy fixes. (Emperor 00:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  who is responding to FAC? 

message: The following quote appears near the bottom of the article, "Tesla has also made a recent appearance in the movie The Prestige portrayed by David Bowie. In the film he is called upon to build an electrical 
illusion [emphasis added] machine."
In the movie, Tesla was commissioned to develop an electrical teleportation machine, not an electrical illusion machine.  Unfortunately for all involved, the fictional Tesla actually creates an electrical cloning machine.
--Rhurwitz 21:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nit on "Prestige" reference in Tesla article 

message: === "node" vs. "terminal" ===
The word "node" in the following phrases, "single node vacuum tubes," "single node X-ray producing devices," and "single node bulbs" should be changed to "terminal" as this is the preferred term used by Tesla himself.  The word "electrode" is also used for this element. (See Tesla's lecture, "Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency," IEE Address, London, February 1892,  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm ).GPeterson 01:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  REQUESTED REVISIONS 

message: The word "node" in the following phrases, "single node vacuum tubes," "single node X-ray producing devices," and "single node bulbs" should be changed to "terminal" as this is the preferred term used by Tesla himself.  The word "electrode" is also used for this element. (See Tesla's lecture, "Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency," IEE Address, London, February 1892,  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm ).GPeterson 01:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "node" vs. "terminal" 

message: The description "Aims to reuse the Wardenclyffe Tower" associated with the external link "The Tesla Wardenclyffe Project" is inaccurate and should be changed.  The correct wording is "Mission: the preservation and adaptive reuse of Wardenclyffe.
GPeterson 14:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate wording 

message: Shortly before Edison died, he said that his biggest mistake he had made was never respecting Tesla or his work. [citation needed]
If there is no source for this, it should go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.105.179.56 (talk) 13:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is. Both in Margaret Cheney's and Marc Seifer's books. Horvat Den 09:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edison's last words 

message: Why does telsa direct here but not Tesla?
:Because there is a disambiguation page for the many uses of the word Tesla there. A Ramachandran 23:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Telsa should redirect to the Tesla disambiguation page as well - this has been changed. ~Kruck 00:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  teLSa 

message: Re. very critical misuse of facts stating that Nikola Tesla was a Serb-American inventor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
Nikola Tesla was born in the village of Smiljani near the city of Gospic both geograficaly placed in CROATIA and not Serbia.
Nikola Tesla was Croatian born and this page was clearly edited by pro serbian.
I am Danish and I don't belong to either sides but the fact is the fact and the fact of the matter is that Nikola Tesla was Croatian born.
Thank you
Søren K
:Please see and participate in other discussions on this talk page about this topic, as there are many. Ex: Talk:Nikola_Tesla#Nationality. ~Kruck 13:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikola Tesla was a Serb-American inventor 

message: This is sourced to a footnote in a book by a fairly non-notable author. I have not been able to ascertain where the author got it from. We should be careful about these things, and until we can corroborate this with another source or two, I have blanked the sentence (but left it in the article, it just can't be seen).--Hadžija 21:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antisemitism 

message: As far as I can tell, Tesla's mother country was internationally recognized as the Kingdom of Yugoslavia by the end of Tesla's life. Per precedent set on almost every other biographical article, the opening should state, the person's nationality, not ethnicity. People have repeatedly pointed out the absurdity of calling him "Croatian-American" due to the nation not existing in his lifetime. It only makes a little more sense to call him "Austro-Hungarian-American," since the state no longer existed after WW1 and Tesla was still alive for decades thereafter. Therefore, it seems to make most sense to call him "Yugoslavian-American," with "Yugoslavian" wikilinked to the Kingdom. Thoughts? Simões (talk/contribs) 19:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By your logic, most Irish-Americans were "British-American", most Polish-Americans and Jewish-Americans were "Austro-Hungarian-Americans" and "Imperial Russian-Americans". The forumla is [ethnicity]-American, though it's debateable whether to include him as an American at all unless we have source to show that he considered himelf one. Your suggestion regarding the Kingdom is quite funny, given that he was 62 when it was formed. I don't see what's unacceptable about the current phrasing to be honest.--Hadžija 21:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Britain has never included Ireland. It's England, Scotland, and Wales. So, no, most Irish-Americans were not British-Americans. "Austro-Hungarian-American" and "Russian-American" are fine. Often, an article will say "[Name] is a [nationality] [professional title] of [ethnicity] descent." Finally, Tesla was an American citizen. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Simões (talk/contribs) 22:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that was sloppy of me. "UK-Americans" is what I meant :) As for "Austro-Hungarian-American" being OK, it gets a massive 39 non-WP hits in Google, none of which are even in the context you suggest. And please, just try to call a Polish-American or a Ukrainian-American whose folks came from the Russian Empire that he's a Russian-American. See what happens :) I'll buy you a beer if you survive to get back to us :D --Hadžija 22:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking a few topics above, I see this debate just seems to go around and around.  Here's my 2 cents worth.  I'm very disinclined to refer to Tesla as "Yugoslav"-anything.  This is an anachronistic rewriting of history.  His nationality or citizenship was never "Yugoslav".  He was born an ethnic Serbian citizen of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.  When he was 28 he moved to the USA.  When he was 35 he became an American citizen.  When he was 73 (!!), his old country reorganized itself into the "Kingdom of Yugoslavia".  Of what relevance is that last event to Tesla?   None, imo.   I’m also disinclined to leave him as “Serbian American”.   That means "an American of Serbian descent", which suggests someone who was always American but has Serbian blood.  That is not the case for Tesla and people of similar circumstances.  Tesla’s children (had he had any) could properly be described as Serbian Americans - but Tesla himself, no.   Trying to have a short-form nationality descriptor that fits all possible circumstances is doomed to failure because it allows too many ambiguities.  Why not say the unambiguous (if slightly long-winded) truth: He was born an ethnic Serbian citizen of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and later became an American citizen.   JackofOz 23:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why, that's not bad at all! "Why not say the unambiguous (if slightly long-winded) truth: He was born an ethnic Serbian citizen of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and later became an American citizen." Why does everyone have to be categorized into a one-word or hyphenated two-word nationality when most of us are much more complicated than that! Stop The Lies 00:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I also support JackofOz's proposed wording. A minor case of long-windedness is of no consequence when accuracy is not achieved with shorter phrases. Simões (talk/contribs) 00:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And let's not forget, it's less controversial that way. Wouldn't want a wheel war or edit war over that, now would we? So that I think is a great compromise :) Rfwoolf 15:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I made one small change: "Serbian" became "Serb," since the former refers to occupants of a region (regardless of ethnicity), and the latter is, in fact, an ethnic group. If anyone objects to this modification, feel free to revert it to the pure consensus (i.e, JackofOz's sentences) version, and we'll hash out the issue here. Simões (talk/contribs) 15:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't necessarily have an objection if those are the accepted definitions of the ethnic group versus the occupants of a region, but it reads funny.  "Serbian" flows better, and since the sentence already says "ethnic" why not use the one that flows.  I almost made that edit right off but figured there was a reason it was "Serb" and not "Serbian" so I checked the talk page here.--Littleman_TAMU (talk) 19:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Settling the nationality dispute 

message: I recently picked up a copy of this book by Lomas (from a Vinnies Shop!)  Is this considered to be a reliable book?  I ask this because there are a few things in it which are not in the article.  For example, Tesla's phone call to Colonel Erskine in the US War Department offering his 'teleforce' weapon to the US government.  The call was made in the hours before Tesla's death so it would seem to be significant in the light of the FBI's moves.   Is this book regarded as a reputable source, from information may be drawn to add to the article? John Dalton 00:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lomas Book 

message: ...is wrong. Tesla couldn't've been born in a state created a decade after the occasion. --PaxEquilibrium 22:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Simões (talk/contribs) 22:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: Paragraph 2 under United States says that in 1919 Tesla wrote that Edison offered him a bonus to complete the redesigning of the generators.  Paragraph 8 of Middle Years states that in the last 1880's that Tesla and Edison became rivals.
In 1886 Tesla started his own companies and worked in other research labs than Edison's, and they were Nobel nominees in 1915.
Did Edison offer him a bonus in 1919?  How was it possible for Tesla to still work for Edison at that time, being rivals and involved in totally different locations with different companies?  Or does this mean that Tesla wrote in 1919 that Edison had offered a bonus?  If so, when did that original bonus interchange take place?
--WPaulB 07:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approximate Bonus Offer Date 

message: Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia (at that time within Austria-Hungary). He completed his elementary and secondary school education in Croatia (in Gospic and Karlovac).
When his mother died, he paid a visit to Croatian capital Zagreb in 1892, where he gave a lecture about alternating current. On that occasion he said:
    "As a son of my homeland I feel it is my duty to help the city of Zagreb in every respect with my advice and work."
There is no doubt that by saying "homeland" he meant Croatia.
His monument carved by Ivan Mestrovic, who knew him personally, can be seen in Zagreb (Croatia). After the end of World War II, the famous sculptor was asked by Belgrade (Serbia) officials to prepare Tesla's monument for the capital of Yugoslavia, but he refused, explaining that Tesla did not like the city. By the way, the family name Tesla does not exist in Serbia.
So now all that beeing said. How can this article state that he was a "Serb-American inventor" ?
And to the people saying he cant be Croatian because Croatia didnt exist then; he cant be Serbian then either since Serbia didnt exist either.
:I don't know when this question was posted, but the article hasn't said that for some considerable time.  It says: "He was born an ethnic Serb citizen of the Austrian Empire and later became an American citizen."  and later: "... Tesla was born ... to a Serbian family in the village of Smiljan near Gospić, in the Lika region of the Austrian Empire, located in present-day Croatia.".  These are the facts. 
:An ethnic Serb means a person whose family was of Serb genetic stock and spoke the Serbian language, regardless of which country they were citizens of. It doesn't mean Serbian as in a citizen of the country Serbia (which, as has been correctly pointed out, didn't exist then).  He and his parents were ethnic Serbs; that is indisputable.  He and his family were Serb (not Serbian) subjects of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and he later became an American citizen. He was born in what is now Croatia, but that doesn't make him a "Croat".  (He might be considered "Croatian" by association, but only in the same sense that Bruce Willis is "German" by association, because he was born there.)   JackofOz 02:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Serbia did exist at the time of Tesla's birth as a principality independent from the Ottoman Empire, although it gained international recognition in 1878, about twenty years after Tesla was born. --Djordje D. Bozovic 13:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikola Tesla was a Croat 

message: Here  is a website with 16 public domain photos of Tesla and his equipment.  The website clearly states that the pictures are public domain and may be freely used.  Perhaps someone should upload as many of these photos as possible to the commons?  I'm afraid I don't have the time to do it now (deadline looming) but someone else might.  Some of the pictures would add value to this article.  For example, a picture of Tesla's boat, the display at the 1893 Chicago Exposition, Colorado Springs Lab and Wardenclyffe Tower.  The site has quite a few public domain photos of other pioneers which should be grabbed for the commons as well. John Dalton 08:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: ...Nikola Tesla was Serbian, born to Serb Orthodox Priest and Serbian mother. 
As a matter of fact. Croats blow up his native house few years ago. But nowdays they want to make him "Croat". 
Regards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.157.166.87 (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Nikola Tesla nationality 

message: It is best to call him Yugoslav because he supported the Yugoslav idea (that serbs croats and bosniaks are one)... In addition, calling him this would be good because he was from Croatia and was Orthodox. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reisender (talk • contribs) 06:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was not born in Yugoslavia, nor he was a citizen of Yugoslavia. Even if he did support the Yugoslav idea, he never declared himself as a Yugoslav, but simply as a Serb. There is nothing so strange and bad if one declares as Serb, you know. Why does everybody keep trying not to admit that Tesla was a Serb. Croatian is fine (even though Croatia didn't even exist back then), American is fine, Yugoslav is fine, there were some who even tried to make him a Vlach (!), but only Serb cannot possibly be good enough... --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some other voices (like Henri Coandă) that sais Tesla (originally Teslea) was an istro-romanian, and so was his father. Coandă have met Tesla many times, so he should know what was Tesla saying about his ancestors.--Alex:Dan 10:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is well known what was Tesla saying about his ancestry, as he was mentioning his Serbian roots so many times. His surname Tesla (not Teslea) is actually a regular Serbian (not Istro-Romanian) word, a noun connected to the carpentry (Serb. tesati, tesanje, teslar, tesla). --Djordje D. Bozovic 15:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tesla(tool) and teslar(carpenter, man working with a tesla) in Romanian too, meaning the same.--Alex:Dan 22:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a number of Slavonic words in Romanian. --Djordje D. Bozovic 18:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Watch your vocabulary. --Djordje D. Bozovic 17:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslav! 

message: We should focus less on expansion on Popular Culture and more on the Early and Middle Years sections. Best resource for this is "Marc Seifer's Wizard" Tesla Biography. Horvat Den 09:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion Problems: Lets get to Featured Status 

message: From the article:
Middle years--
There, at one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators he generated a resonance of several surrounding buildings, but ironically due to the frequencies involved, not his own building, causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he hit the resonant frequency of his own building and belatedly realizing the danger he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the astonished police arrived.
Nikola Tesla in popular culture-
The Discovery Channel's popular Mythbusters show successfully debunked Tesla's claim that he had created an "Earthquake Machine" in their 60th episode.
Maybe a note or reference to the incident should added to mythbusters' attempt to recreate what Tesla did.
--136.159.209.27 18:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythbusters, Earthquake Machines, and mechanical resonance 

message: Tesla should come here (as it has in the past). All meanings derive from Nikola Tesla, so the lemma should redirect there and not go to a disambiguation page.
Why is it so crucial to have the reader goto a intermediate page, when the majority of references of Tesla are to Nikola Tesla? The unit is found on the disambigous page, which would be @ the top of this page with "disambig|tesla" template. Tesla, as a name, is really not ambiguous at all.
As stated in Talk:Tesla (disambiguation), by another user, it's perferable to have the query directed to Nikola Tesla as all of the other links in this disambiguation about the Nikola Telsa. The terms are somehow derivitive of Nikola Tesla. 
J. D. Redding 16:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In order for Tesla to redirect here, the disambiguation page that is there now would need to be moved (such as to Tesla (disambiguation)).  Feel free to propose such a move at WP:RM.  --Minderbinder 17:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  REDIRECTION OF [[Tesla]] 

message: Original content to be put in Tesla (disambiguation). 
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__NOTOC__
Tesla in most circumstances denotes Nikola Tesla, the following articles can be used to diambiguate the references.
== Main ==
*List of Tesla patents
*Nikola Tesla in popular culture
*Tesla (unit)
*Tesla coil
====Entertainment====
* Tesla (band)
====Business====
* Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport
* Ericsson Nikola Tesla
* Tesla (company)
* Tesla Pančevo
* Tesla Studios
* Tesla Motors
[[* TPP Nikola Tesla
====Miscellaneous
 International Linear Collider 
* Tesla Fault
* Tesla Advanced Communications 
* Time Efficient Streaming Loss-tolerant Authentication

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A disambig already exists for the topic at Tesla.  If there's consensus to change the redirect, it would just need to be moved.  --Minderbinder 17:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tesla (disambiguation)

message: citation 105: should be http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1926-01-30.htm
I couldn't figure out how to edit the reflist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.148.163.112 (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link 

message: *Tesla Experiments With Alternate Currents
:No. It just republishes free content from Project Gutenberg with Google Adsense. Bad link. Also, please stop spamming across article talk pages. See WP:EL and WP:SPAM. Nposs 02:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Link 

message: Please note - there is a statue (identical to the one at Niagara Falls) of Nikola Tesla in front of the University of Belgrade's Department of Electrical Engineering (http://rti.etf.bg.ac.yu/rti/homegifs/tesla.jpg). Please include this in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.210.152.221 (talk) 12:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monuments 

message: I doubt about the claim of his "sporadic anti-Semitism”. First of all, I believe that he term is self-contradicting: it expresses an –ism (that means an concept, an ideology), but which is sporadic (word that expresses non regular occurring).  Most importantly, the clue in which it supports what it claims it is only based in someone’s record of an out of context phrase spoken in everyday manner. I delete the phrase.
I think we there is a kind of a fanatic anti-anti- Semitism emerging in our days. You really have to count your words otherwise you will be called anti-Semitist.
Soklamon 13:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, Tesla may have just been joking when he said that... --George D. Božović 15:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "anti-Semitist" 

message: It is quite clear in the film that the machine Tesla builds is more than simply an illusion: it creates an exact double of the subject.  As such, I changed "he is called upon to build an electrical machine to simulate an illusion of teleportation" to "he is called upon to build an electrical machine capable of teleporting a human being. The machine works, but instead of teleporting someone it makes an exact clone."  Demosthenes X 21:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And all the duplicated hats ? And all the other tanks in storage ? -- Beardo 11:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prestige 

message: The article (currently) says his mother died in 1892. This looks wrong in the context of the rest of the article, and it looks like this is a typo for 1882. Can someone with access to the sources used to write that sentence please check and correct if needed. Thanks. Carcharoth 23:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's death date 

message: It appears that Serb and Croat nationalists have decided to make this talk page a battleground for their squabbling over Tesla's ethnicity. The talk page for the 0.999... article has a special page where arguments against the proofs given in the article are placed (to avoid cluttering up the main talk page with unproductive comments). Would anyone object to the same being done here for the serb/croat stuff? Simões (talk/contribs) 14:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no productive discussion going on anyway. It's almost all anonymous nationalists on either side flaming each other. This isn't suitable for a talk page full stop. Chris Cunningham 14:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Odd, because the article itself is so good. I think the idea has merit, although I would miss the fights. Karldoh 14:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serb/Croat arguments 

message: The monument for Nikola Tesla at Niagara Falls is in Queen Victoria Park, Ontario, Canada.  It is currently listed as being in New York, USA.  I just visited the site last week and posed for pictures with the beautiful statue.  It is located behind the area where the Table Rock inscription is in the park.74.121.207.240 15:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monument for Tesla is listed in wrong location 

message: Editors at the removing referenced and notable information about Nikola Tesla.
This is the section they are removing ... 
: In 1899, the eccentric Nikola Tesla, in accord with many other plans of his, planned to build a tower in a experimental station at Colorado topped by a copper ball that he would  turn into a sensitive radio telescope.Eric Brus, Richard Golob (1990). The Almanac of Science and Technology: What's New and What's Known. 530 pages. Page 52.Margaret Cheney, Robert Uth, Jim Glenn (1999). Tesla, Master of Lightning. 184 pages. Page 95. While investigating atmospheric electricity in 1900, Tesla noted repetitive signals that he deduced must be coming from a non-terrestrial source. Although Tesla mistook this to be radio communication from intelligent beings living on Venus or MarsTesla, Nikola, "Talking with Planets". Collier's Weekly, February 19, 1901. (EarlyRadioHistory.us) it may have been the earliest observation of an astronomical radio source (A 1996 analysis indicated Tesla may have been observing Jovian plasma torus signals).Corum, K. L., J. F. Corum, "Nikola Tesla and the Planetary Radio Signals".
===References===
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Any help would be appreciated in keeping the information there ... J. D. Redding 04:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although this seems to be a documented occurrence, describing it as "Tesla being the inventor of Radio astronomy" (as found in much Tesla literature and fan sites) is not supportable by the facts. See Talk:Radio astronomy#Furhter discussion for futher talk on this. Halfblue 13:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Radio astronomy]] 

message: ----
Any help would be appreciated in keeping the information there ... J. D. Redding 04:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although this seems to be a documented occurrence, describing it as "Tesla being the inventor of Radio astronomy" (as found in much Tesla literature and fan sites) is not supportable by the facts. See Talk:Radio astronomy#Furhter discussion for futher talk on this. Halfblue 13:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Citations for wireless power transmission. 
* Elroy McKendree Avery, Elementary Physics. Sheldon and company, 1897. 317 pages. Page 301
J. D. Redding 23:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wireless power transmission 

message: The "Monuments" section of the Nikola Tesla article mistakenly places Queen Victoria Park in Niagara Falls, New York. In fact, Queen Victoria Park is in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada. 
The caption to the photo of the monument gets it right. Please note also that "Niagara" is mispelt in this section. 
The confusion no doubt arose because both the American and Canadian cities of Niagara Falls have monuments to Tesla.   
Gsmck 04:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Victoria Park - please make correction 

message: Other inventions
Tesla is known for the invention of the Teslascope, a radio transmitter designed with the intention of communicating with extraterrestrial life on other planets.
Removed above to talk because it is not s "true" statement. The sources on this point out that the Teslascope may be the fictional invention of Arthur H. Matthews the writer of the book "The wall of light; Nikola Tesla and the Venusians space ship, the X-12", or it could be a Tesla idea. The one thing you can't state flat out is that Tesla did invent this... so needs to be re-writen. This also means that listing this device under a heading "Electromechanical devices and principles developed by Nikola Tesla" would be incorrect.Halfblue 20:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have re-intergrated this information into the article in a more factual form. Also removed "Teslascope" from "Electromechanical devices and principles developed by Nikola Tesla" for reason given in summery. Halfblue 12:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teslascope 

message: In this section of the article there is the line: "After the war ended, Tesla made predictions regarding the relevant issues of the post-World War I environment, in a printed article (20 December 1914)."  I find this desciption confusing because it states "After the war ended", but then cites the date "20 December 1914".  The War, of course, began in 1914, so how could he have commented on something "after the war" in the same year it began? Kirkesque 22:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion in "Later Years" 

message: At the end of the paragraph "Hungary and France", there is a blurb about Tesla running from Paris to see his dying mother. His mother died in 1892, but he moved to the US in 1884, and apparently gained citizenship in 1891. Which means he was no longer in Paris when his mother died. And I doubt he could "hasten" to see his mother just hours before she died, because at that time transatlantic flights were quite scarce. In addition, if he really went to see his mother in 1892, then it should be in the following paragraph, "Middle years", as this paragraph starts in 1886, and documents him being the vice-president of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers from 1892 to 1894. 213.114.83.242 11:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies of dates in "Early Years" 

message: The article presently says "Tesla said he worked night and day to redesign them and gave the Edison company several profitable new patents in the process." If this is true, then the article should include the numbers of the U.S. (or non U.S. patents) that resulted from Tesla's work. I have not been able to find any such patents.  Thanks. Edison 05:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What patents? 

message: "During this period, in the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture"- Inspite of the reference, this sounds dubious to me. Is it implied that Tesla's fame was more even than Edison's in the public imagination?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashujo (talk • contribs) 22:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I think I have fully dug into this issue and understood it. Who was the one who introduced this in the first place again? --PaxEquilibrium 12:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is someone trying to suggest he was a descendent of Dracula???--Jack Upland (talk) 09:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vlach origin 

message: The bit about J. Edgar Hoover declaring Tesla's papers top secret has a citation that just says "Hoover, J. Edgar et al". So the source for a comment allegedly made by Hoover is Hoover? How is this a citation if there's no mention of a source in which it is recorded that he actually said that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.126.132.70 (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoover citation 

message: in the first paragraph:
Tesla is often described an important scientist and inventor of the modern age, a man who "shed light over the face of Earth".
it should read:
Tesla is often described as an important scientist and inventor of the modern age, a man who "shed light over the face of Earth".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by X CheshireCat x (talk • contribs) 16:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: -- OlEnglish (Talk) 05:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammatical error 

message: Famous Serbian basketball coach, Dušan Ivković, just said in interview for RTS, emission Balkanskom ulicom, that he is close cousin to Nikola Tesla by both mothers' side, so you should add that fact to the article, please. Also can you put the photo of Belgrade airport which brings Tesla's name?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.15.58 (talk) 13:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives 

message: That term never officaly existed. It is a region which was called like that but it's officialy called Lika.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 11:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the article talk archives. This is a compromise solution, and no term is perfect. Chris Cunningham (talk) 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont deny that Tesla came from the territory of modern day Croatia yet we cant invent a name of "Croatian Krajina" since it's never been called that in history. The term is a wikipedia invented term to describe the Austrian military border or simply called "military border" in Serbian "Vojna Krajina (Krajina=Border)". Thus we cant attribute the place of birth of Tesla by an unrecognised, incorrect term for the region.Mike Babic (talk) 04:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was among the warmest defensors of "Croatian Krajina" though totally unacquainted with historical geography of Austrian Empire ; I took a few minutes to check your assertion, which is to be taken seriously. I just searched through Google Books, and found this source (an Austrian book from 1856, Die österreichische Monarchie, geographisch, statistisch, topographisch) where I can read : Hiervon kommen 8 Regimenter und si (?) Militär-Comnninitäten auf die eigentliche Kroatische Militärgrenze (288,„ Q, 2», und 53N,Nl4 E,, im I, l85l>, welche geschichtlich zerfällt in die Eorlstädter, die Banal- und die Warasdiner Grenze, see also this example (from 1851). Though I am not ready to play the game to try to understand primary sources from an exotic country in a language I don't master, your assertion according to which "Croatian Krajina" would be a "wikipedia invented term" does not seem true, and you should demonstrate it more thoroughly if you want to make your point. Note that on Wikipedia, at least on Wikipedia in  German, (see the article:de:Militärgrenze), "Croatian Krajina" is not supposed to be synonymous of "Military Border" but only the westernmost part of this military border. French Tourist (talk) 12:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatian Krajina 

message: From this book written by a relative of Nicola Tesla:  The life and times of Nikola Tesla Biography of a Genius - Marc J. Seifer
80 Trunks.  According to Seifer they were "Drums".  Wooden casks of the era.  
There is also a picture of the "Death Ray" Particle Beam weapon in Seifers book. page 470  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.18.70 (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Death" 

message: incorrectly tagged as American inventor?--Billymac00 (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't think so: the American categories could apply as he spent a significant amount of his time living and working in America.  He may not have been "ethnically" American, but then again it can be tough to argue what exactly an "ethnic American" would be. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 17:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  He became a naturalized citizen .. there is no error. J. D. Redding 14:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  category tag 

message: Why is "live theatre" included in this article but "popular culture" exiled to its own article?  Does the fact that culture's popular weigh in against it???--Jack Upland (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Tesla in Live Theater would fit better in the "Tesla in Popular Culture" article.   Cut and paste job for the most part.  Amiaheroyet (talk) 01:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed and moved. Hark80 (talk) 19:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Theatre 

message: This sentence here: At Tesla's salary of $18 per week, the bonus would have amounted to over 53 years pay, and the amount was equal to the initial capital of the company.[29]
What does the 53 years of pay mean anyway? I think it is ambiguous. Someone please let me know.
Lucgallant (talk) 03:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds to me like 53 years of $18 a week.    18:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

text: As in "He did a nice job. Let's give him a bonus equal to the initial capital of the whole company, or the pay he would earn in 53 years of employment at his present salary." Edison (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand the structure of a sentence and I don't think I'm alone 

message: Tesla demurred at the concept concerning Professor Lodge's view that electricity was a mode of manifestation of the aether. He did not object to an aether associated with matter, or 'bound aether'. 
ref:
John Joseph Fahie, A History of Wireless Telegraphy. W. Blackwood and Sons 1902. Page 139-140.
J. D. Redding 01:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Aether]] 

message: In the "Early Years" section, the birthplace of Milutin Tesla, Nikola Tesla's father, is listed as "Meduc." It's actually Raduc. Raduc, an ethnic Serb village in Medak County (Lika) was the home of the Tesla family from the time Milutin's father, also called Nikola Tesla, settled there in the 1810's until 1995, when they were ethnically cleansed along with all of the other ethnic Serbs in the region during the Croatian offensive Operation Storm. (They now reside mostly in the Belgrade area of Serbia.) 24.12.81.102 (talk) 05:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you may wish to edit the article and update that fact? --George D. Božović (talk) 21:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milutin Tesla's birthplace 

message: I have searched high and low for the "Newspaper" that claimed to have that headline and I can't find it anywhere. Every place I look has the exact same line Newspapers of the time labeled Wardenclyffe "Tesla's million-dollar folly." or some form of that. No where is there any reference to WHAT newspapers said it. It seems with the plural usage of it there must be multiple papers, but there is never a listing of the source who said that. Can anyone clarify this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.179.198 (talk) 01:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched too and couldn't come up with anything as well. (Slapshot24 (talk) 16:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read Siefer ... I think he mentions it. Seems to be no online source ... but his biographers mention it, IIRC. If i get to one of my bio books, I'll put in the ref ... J. D. Redding 04:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just a side note ... his folly was the construction of a power delivery system ... which his finacial backers refused to bankroll. The folly was not the physics and engineering of the facility.  I can't remember if it was J. P. Morgan's son that finally cut Tesla off or not .. anyways ... J. D. Redding 14:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's Million Dollar Folly - says who? 

message: Anyone noticed that Nikola Tesla's Wikipedia page is featured towards the back of the graphic novel, "Southland Tales: The Prequel Saga"?--DrWho42 (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia page featured in graphic novel 

message: Did Tesla invent the squirrel cage fan?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleepersix (talk • contribs) 16:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invented squirrel cage fan? 

message: la:Nicolaus Tesla Thanks. --Roland2 (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 16:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks --Roland2 (talk) 22:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add the interwiki link to [[:la:]] 

message: Gee, this huge long article about one of the greatest inventors/engineers of our time with no mention of WHY there are monuments and plaques at Niagara falls? According to the book "Wizard" (see notes), it was an illustration of Niagara falls in a book that he read when he was young that inspired him to consider working with electricity in the first place. He tried to imagine how all that power could be redirected to run factories and such. He built the first large-scale hydroelectric facility there. He was concerned that fossil fuels would eventually run out and imagined that Niagara falls, if harnessed, might have all the limitless energy we would ever need.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.32 (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Become a contributor. Add it to the article. Rsduhamel (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? Nothing about Niagara falls? 

message: How can it be that, and I quote from the article  'Tesla's patents and theoretical work formed the basis of modern  alternating current electric power (AC) systems'? The world's first AC power systems were in England. (See the Wikipedia article on  Electrical power industry )
Towns in England such as Godalming and Holborn  were being powered by electric grids using AC current long before the Americans and Tesla in particular copied the idea. 
A.C. power systems vary in their design from country to country. Is the author implying that some countries methods of distributing power are not 'modern'  and what does 'form the basis of' mean? You could equally argue that any number of early electrical pioneers work 'forms the basis of AC power systems.
~~'Parochial View'~~  5th June 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.138.200 (talk) 11:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Emperor's Clothes 

message: I find it interesting how nobody ever mentions the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death, i've read that he was supposedly run over by a car after he planned on revealing something big which i can't remember right now, but maybe he wasn't such a mad scientist after all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.216.157 (talk) 10:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Is it right to call him Dr. Nikola Tesla? I understand he never graduated fully from the university in Graz, but surely he was awarded a doctorate considering his research and scientific standards? Mogtheforgetfulcat (talk) 00:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's Doctorate 

message: What happened to the pitcure of Telsa? The one now isnt as good as the one that used to be at the top of the page!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.138.98 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Picture 

message: The tone of the section seems to express the personal doubts of the writer. Unless there is a citation of a consensus of historians to the same doubt, the section should be rewritten as NPOV. Rsduhamel (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla and Edison 

message: should 
* Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States. 
be in books? J. D. Redding 16:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon Palace? 

message: Between the frequent random vandals and the edit warring Serbs & Croats engaged in their tug of war over Tesla's identity, the article doesn't stay stable for very long.  Should full protection be applied for?  If granted (which is by no means certain) it would make legitimate edits more difficult to accomplish, and sooner or later the protection would expire anyway, leaving the same problems to resume.  Any thoughts on page protection, pro or con?
An alternative is for all who monitor this page to quickly return it to a clean version based on the cited references. Hertz1888 (talk) 15:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the tug of war over Tesla's identity, I've tried now another solution. I have no idea why vandalism is so more frequent on this article than on others, but maybe we should live with it. --Cyfal (talk) 21:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see this article forever protected from new and anon IP editors. Whether it is or not, I'm dedicated to checking its status every time I log on to WP. This Serb versus Croat crap disgusts me... If Tesla could rise above it, why can't we? Binksternet (talk) 21:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would like to third that... I find it disturbing at times when I come to read about one of my idols and to find it having been deliberately corrupted. But; I will do just that. Revert back to the old page whenever I encounter attacks in the tug of war. Citybug (talk) 13:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no tug of war. Tesla's father was a Serb Orthodox priest, his mother from a famous Serbian family. Tesla was born in Austria. He never had a "Croatian citizenship", he never called himself a Croat, he always emphasized his Serbian ethnicity. It's just that his village is now in Croatia, and to some, that makes him a Croat. Oooo :P --GOD OF JUSTICE 00:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

text:  Tesla called Ruđer Bošković his "countryman". Also, let's not forget Tesla's sentence: "Ponosim se srpskim rodom i hrvatskom domovinom", or in English: "I'm proud of Serbian origin and Croatian homeland". So, Avdo, your statement above is not correct. DarkoS (talk) 13:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to open a discussion of such matters on this page—in a section of their own—and seek consensus for any proposed changes.  Whatever changes are made need to be reliably sourced and, if necessary, balanced with the existing sourcing and carefully explained.  Without a consensus it just goes back and forth, and without sourcing it will quickly be reverted. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the Austro-Hungarians should chime in here, since he was born as a subject of that empire, in their military frontier. Edison (talk) 05:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection needed? 

message: Wikipedia has a guideline, WP:ENGVAR, to determine whether U.S. or British spelling and vocabulary should be used in an article.  It says that if one variety of English is the first one used in an article, then that variety should be used exclusively, unless there is a strong tie to a country with a particular variety of English.   A recent edit  by Bobo192 changed "honors" to "honours" on the grounds that British spelling was standard for this article. The spelling "honor" was the first disambiguation of national variety of English, in this edit  from 18 September 2002. "Rumor" (rather than "rumour") was introduced 15 August 2003. That argues for the U.S. variant of English, as does the fact that Tesla was a U.S. citizen. He was never a citizen of the U.K., didn't live there, and didn't work there, so both his ties to the U.S. and the first disambiguation by the edit cited call for the use of U.S. spelling in the article. Both spellings appear numerous times in the article at present, and it is jarring. The spelling should consistently be the U.S. variety for the reasons stated, to comply with style guidelines. Edison (talk) 03:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why British version of English? 

message: I suppose the image of Tesla has been mythimized over the years.His contemporary sculptur depicted him as a hook-nosed man but banknotes's image is quiute different,with Tesla having a straight nose.Where does the truth lie?
Frank Russian (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the appearance of nicola tesla 

message: Unknown if this is important or not, however, Nikola Tesla and You is an item which can be found in Fallout 3. See [Here]. One would assume that this information could be applied to the main page (by someone with a little more knowledge about how wikipedia works than myself) under a "Nikola Tesla in Popular Culture" mini section or something of the like. In my opinion, this information is relevant to the Nikola Tesla page. Even looking at the image of the in-game item, it somewhat characetures Nikola himself. --90.197.0.19 (talk) 18:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, per WP:TRIVIA. We Wikipedians try to avoid unnecessary trivial information. Thanks for your input though. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 12:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallout 3 

message: Nilola Tesla is one of the least recognized geniuses of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
There is a list of all his patents in the book: The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla, Edited by Jim Glenn, ₢ 1994 by Barnes and Noble, Inc.; .
This lists the first patent for an electro-magnetic motor built without a comutator (381968), the first system of electrical transmission of power (382281, 487796), and the basis of radio transmitter-receiver systems (645576).  
What is amazing is that Tesla had held the patent for AC generation and transmision just when George Westinghouse was trying to win the Current Wars with T. Edison.  Because Westinghouse asked Tesla to not hold him to their agreement, (Tesla would get about $2 per horsepower generated), Tesla tore up his patents. So it is ironic that later when Tesla needed money, for some reason the Westinghouse company was not able to be very accomadating.
UoPTucson (talk) 08:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patents and Inventions 

message: The July 10th birth date listed in the article may not be accurate.  I have seen a great many articles that have the birth date as July 9th.  Seeing as how he was supposedly born at midnight, does anyone have any reliable information as to which day he was actually born?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyvern t (talk • contribs) 19:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have searched my sources, and he was apparently born exactly at midnight between the 9th and 10th.  Saying he was born exactly at midnight, I believe it should remain the 10th.  It is a highly disputed thing on the web, but I think officially midnight is considered the next day.  Maybe there should be a little insert at the beginning of the page or the early life section that says he was born exactly at midnight?Aswed123123123 (talk) 05:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: Considering that most of the books dealing with AC motors and rotating magnetic field refers to both Tesla and Ferraris as the main personalities involved in the development of the polyphase technology, it seems quite strange that the author has completely neglected the fundamental contributions given by the italian scientist. The speech: "In the same year, Tesla conceived the induction motor..." is not a rigorous description of the steps leading to the paternity of the idea. Did Tesla gain wide acceptance of his "conceived" discovery by the scientific/academic comunity in 1882 ? Despite Galileo Ferraris deliberately refused to patent his inventions he publicly demonstrated the working principle of the rotating magnetic field in the summer of 1885, three years before Tesla's AC motor patents; models of the AC motors used during the experiments performed in 1885 by Ferraris can be seen at IEN institute (Turin-Italy).
151.50.28.75 (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has Galileo Ferraris never been mentioned? 

message: The Austrian empire came to an end in 1867, how could he be a citizen until 1891?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.69.46 (talk) 03:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: statement : "Born in Smiljan, Croatian Krajina, Austrian Empire, he was an ethnic Serb subject of the Austrian Empire" is compromise. All this statements are right for year of his birth and until 1867, but latter is another story. Between 1867 and 1881 he was: ethnic Serb from Croatian Krajina, subject of the Austro-Hungary and between 1881-84 he was ethnic Serb from Kingdom of Croatia in personal union with Austro-Hungary. after 1884 Tesla is american citizen.--Rjecina (talk) 04:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: STRANGE THAT THERE IS NO MENTION OF HAARP. THE NEW YORK FIRE OR EXPLOSION WAS CAUSED BY AN EXPERIMENT TO LIQUEFY HYDROGEN. LATER A CO WORKER NAMED LINDE GETS THIS PATENT. THE UNITED STATES STEEL SOUTH WORKS IN CHICAGO(USED TO BE AT 79TH & SOUTH SHORE DRIVE) UTILIZED 25HZ AC POWER FROM NIAGARA FALLS.TESLA ALSO TOOK AN X-RAY OF MARK TWAIN! THE BATTLE OF THE CURRENTS CLIMAXED AT THE 1893 COLUMBIAN EXPOSITION WITH THE AC ELECTRIC CHAIR THOUGHT TO BE MORE HUMANE THAN THE DC ELECTRIC CHAIR.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.115.228.74 (talk) 03:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NO MENTION OF HAARP 

message: No mention in Tesla article about Tesla Remeberance day ceklebrated BOTH in Serbika and Croatia on Nikola Teslas Birthdate Jul.10th! Celebrated in the US since July 2005(Tesla Society citation) as Global Energy Independence Day.To remember Dr.Teslas life and work.And to promote alternative CLEAN GREEN energy sources!Teslaguy (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Mention of Tesla remeberance Day celebrated in Serbia and Croatia Jul.10th 

message: EDISON,HENRY FORD AND MANY OTHERS .HAVE VOICE RECORDINGS. YET, THERE SEEMS TO BE NO VOICE OR EVEN OLD NEWSREEL RECORDINGS OF NIKOLA TESLA SPEAKING!WHY?! Teslaguy (talk) 18:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is puzzling, since Tesla lived for years after Edison died. In February 1894, Tesla visited Mr. Bettini, phonograph experimenter, who planned to record Tesla's voice, per Wizard by Marc Seifer, page 138. Tesla in his later years was honored by a yearly luncheon where he addressed reporters, so it is not as if he had faded into obscurity. He had some odd behaviors, so perhaps microphone shyness was one of them. If conspiracy theorists are correct and he was being watched by government officials, maybe there are secret recordings. Per The craft of scientific presentations, Michael Alley, page 181 Tesla had a "high pitched, almost falsetto" voice.  Cheney in Tesla master of lightning page 52  said some reported he had a soft, low voice. Some said no accent, some said a heavy accent. Other sources say   he would speak with various voices while having a conversation with himself , a trait that Tesla said his father had exhibited. It seems possible that recordings might exist, if he addressed a society, or that a newsreel might have been made of him commenting on scientific developments in his later years. Edison (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK ARE THERE VOICE RECORDINGS/NEWSREELS OF TESLA SPEAKING? 

message: Austro-Hungarian Empire. Croatia was then part of Hungary. Hungary along with Austria were the Austro-Hungarian Empire. So the country of birth is Austro-Hungarian Empire.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.46.245.104 (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country of Birth 

message: A note to Editor of this page. The Tesla Society(see google) and many other Tesla Societies are appealing to the politicians of New York State and the nation(former Vice President Al Gore for one) To have the Wardenclyffe Long Island ,Site of Teslas Wireless Power Transmitter experiment declared a national Mounument. The brick building still stands desighed by the famed Stanford White. A U.S. Tesla Museum is needed!Andre(Edson)Andreisme (talk) 22:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The web is full of groups of hobbyists or Teslaphiles, but those do not generally qualify as "reliable sources" with respect to any movement to make the remaining structure at Wardenclyffe a Tesla Museum. Google Books had no hits for "Tesla museum" Wardenclyffe. At Google News, I found a 1997 New York Times article about the Seifer book on Tesla which quoted Chris Bach, "a spokesman for the national Tesla-Wardenclyffe Project" which was working to preserve the site, and which said "Friends of Science East" in Shoreham NY were seeking to buy Wardenclyffe and"turn the site into a Tesla museum and science center." It said the Wardenclyffe was then owned by "the AGFA division of Bayer Corporation." I think this is enough to mention in the article that there have been efforts to preserve the site and make it into a museum. Edison (talk) 15:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Searching Google News Archive for Tesla Wardenclyffe turned up a 2002 NY Times article  which said the site was still owned by  Agfa-Gevaert, that it was neglected and full of overgrown foliage. It said that the Tesla Wardenclyffe Project and Friends of Science East in Shoreham were still trying to get the site listed as an historic place on astate and national registers and to get a science center bui;lt there. It said Agfa might sell the site to a developer who would presumably knock it down (or maybe convert it to condos?). The article Wardenclyffe Tower  is where most of the details about a proposed museum should be placed. Edison (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note to Editor Edison.Wardencylffe(Shoreham) Long Island  Tesla Museum site 

message: ""I'm happy that I have the chance to express my gratitude that I was and will always remain a Serb and nothing else. If there is any glory and duty to humanity that can be ascribed to my name, that honour belongs to the Serb people, from whose surroundings I came from... " Nikola Tesla, February 3rd 1892. From a Lecture in London, at The Faraday Institute  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.167.142 (talk) 11:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's quotes, please add