Talk:Fiat justitia ruat caelum

message: How can the basic principle be of English origin if its German equivalent Fiat iustitia et pereat mundus is half a century older than the first use of its English equivalent and back then was known as the official motto of such a prominent figure as Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor? --Tlatosmd 07:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  German origin, not English 

message: the article on the alternative phrase Fiat iustitia et pereat mundus   is based on de WP, and see my note there. I share User:71.76.239.85|71.76.239.85's doubts on the meaning, though the German gives a source for the negative sense, at least of the alternative phrase--such a meaning may well be unique to Germany.  Based on the sources as they now appear, I'm adjusting the section on Roman use. A proper modern source for all this is needed.   DGG (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on sources

message: The Harry Turtledove story "Though the Heavens Fall" is named after this maxim (and the maxim appears in the story).  Though not as noteworthy as Middlemarch, this might deserve mention in the section Famous modern uses. Kier07 (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Harry Turtledove story

message: "Fiat Justitia" is the motto of the RAF Police, it is true, but please notice it is without the "ruat coelum" clause. Therefore tangential to the article. Removed.
Consider a separate article for the motto "Fiat justitia".
Following is personal comment, trying to explain what a difference the clause makes: "Fiat justitia" is a hope, an ideal for the guardians of justice (e.g. the Police), and us all, but is not "Fiat justitia, ruat cœlum" strongly unconditional, for the administrators of justice (e.g. the Judiciary)? P0mbal (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAF Police and Fiat Justitia 

message: P.D. James uses the phrase in Death Comes to Pemberley (2011) when, after the inquest, Dr. Clitheroe declares to Darcy that the outcome of the case will depend upon two questions. 
199.104.125.193 (talk) 13:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  P.D. James novel 

message: I don't know that it'll be considered "famous", but Aldnoah.Zero does use the English translation of this quote ("Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.") as its slogan (in the advertising, and in the opening of the anime). Perhaps worth mentioning on the page. --V2Blast (talk) 01:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aldnoah.Zero 

message: The article claims in the introduction that the phrase "was used in the landmark judgment, Somerset v Stewart, where slavery was held to be unlawful at common law.[2]"
Later in the "Modern origins" section  the article states that the phrase was found "not, as is commonly believed, in Somersett's Case, the 1772 case concerning the legality of slavery in England)"
I don't know which is correct, nor do I have the ability to review sources at this time. But I thought it was worth making a note of this apparent contradiction (unless I'm confused and misunderstanding this).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.145.140 (talk) 05:16, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  contradiction 

message: (I am not a Latinist but) It looks like both "coelum" and "caelum" are valid spellings, but all the classical sources in this article use the spelling "coelum", so that looks more. Right now this page title uses "caelum" and there's a redirect from "coelum". Is there any reason we shouldn't flip that, and have the main page at "coelum"? — Narsil (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to "Fiat justitia ruat coelum"? 

message: Seneca spoke of Pisos justice with the quote cited in this article. https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199990009.001.0001/acref-9780199990009-e-8222 how can this article live in both the the neighborhood of make believe and  that of fact. This is why I am so happy that there is nothing on Wikipedia that really matters like chemical abstracts. Any one may write in this forum and this is her biggest weakness. I am so sorry to say. Dachvid (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are ancient sources cited by no less than Oxford University