Talk:Northern Catalonia

message: Current Rosselló and/or Northern Catalonia should be rewritten. I would stress Rosselló as a comarca and the historical county (they could also be separated). Northern Catalonia in the context of Catalan Countries after Treaty of Pyrenees and especially when this denomination was first born. Toniher 18:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the three current articles (Northern Catalonia, Roussillon and Rosselló (comarca)) are OK. The only problem I see is that their titles are not appropiate. I would rename Roussillon into County of Rosselló and I would rename Rosselló (comarca) into simply Rosselló. I also think that a Rosselló (disambiguation) page is needed. It could be merged with Roussillon (disambiguation) but it has to improve.--SMP - talk page (en) - talk page (ca) 16:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: The map used on this page seems pretty useless, since it provides no geographic context, scale or reference to present borders. It would be helpful to see where this area is with respect to the more generally-recognized French"Hexagone." 216.227.122.37 06:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The presently known territory of Northern Catalonia was actually the most northern part of the former Principality of Catalonia, that is, Catalonia. So, It was then under jurisdiction of Generalitat de Catalunya. I consider this should be reflected in the introduction, and not avoided as it seems now. Of course, French regime after the Treaty (both under monarchy and republic) wanted to close all possible ties with the Southern part the more the better (Catalan language forbidden, Catalan Generalitat without jurisdiction there, naming of the territory, etc.). This may be explained in the article as well. 
By the way, thanks Physchim62 for adapting some content from the Catalan version. It was long I wanted to do it, but I found no time. There is still more content to be added, also from other articles related which have a lot of info of that territory and are highly expanded in Catalan Wikipedia. Toniher 21:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: " the Catalonian territory ceded to France by the Crown of Aragon in 1659 after the Treaty of the Pyrenees" is not enough? Maurice27 21:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nope. I think it's a good idea to make the world know what the French authorities did in the Northern Catalonia after the Treaty of the Pyrenees. Maybe a special section for the Catalan language persecution would be suitable. "Soyez propres, parlez français" was what the French teachers told the Catalan children at school. I don't give a f* if you don't like it. It's just history.--Mreq (talk) 19:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principality of Catalonia 

message: It's obviously not the English name, but a typo from Cerdanya. Toniher 21:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ohhhh now you do know more than a english native speaker, right? []; Maurice27 21:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the native English speaker who put it in, it is not a typo! On the other hand, it is deliberate PoV (I made the word up, to get some reaction about it)! It is a perfectly logical English construction, but if people prefer "Cerdanya/Cerdagne" or "Cerdagne/Cerdagne" then that is more than fine with me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Physchim62 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cerdania 

message: After Physchim62's great work improving the article and Toniher's addition of the new LanguageS section, I made some changes:
#I change the old "catalan countries" template for the new one made by Xtv which refers specially to the Catalan language. Again, Tio de Nadal, Joan Miro, Valencia, Andorra or Salvador Dali have nothing to do in this article.
#In the LanguageS (yes, in plural), I have explained which are the schools giving the bilingual education. Those are private schools and even a foundation, but in no way public ones. This is to explain, that education is still given in French, being Catalan an optative language for 99% of the students.
#Cerdania/Cerdanya: Again, This is English wikipedia. If there is a word in english, it should be used. Therefore Cerdania is to be used.
#Treaty of the Pyrenees: As it is already explained in "Administrative history" section why the redundancy in the lead paragraph?
#Catalogne du Nord: This is a term not used (ok...maybe by a negligeable 0,2% of the pop) in France, therefore "is only very rarely used" is the way to be described. In France, the term "Roussillon" is usually preferred and "Pyrénées-Orientales" is the correct one.
--Maurice27 00:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re point 5: can I go on record as agreeing with Maurice27 :P point 3 is dealt with above; as for point 4, I feel  that the Treaty of the Pyrenees should also be in the introductory paragraph. I am trying to get up-to-date statistics on education in the Pyrénées-Orientales, until then I reserve comment (1997 stats indicate that (very roughly) 5% of the age group in the Pyrénées-Orientales sat a baccalaureate exam in Catalan, which would indicate about 20–25% 'knowledge' among 18-year olds in the département: I need better figures to to a better analysis :) Physchim62 (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I was only trying to get a balance between Catalan and French, not to complicate matters with questions of Occitan as well! As an Occitan speaker, you must be aware of the problems of Occitan orthography: myself, I am currently incapable of giving an opinion on orthography questions in the north-west of the Pyrénées-Orientales... Naming of the article in question should be discussed at Talk:Fenolheda, obviously :) Physchim62 (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: The area in green on the left-hand map is not just Roussillon, but also Vallespir and part of Cerdagne. If no one objects, I shall try to find a more accurate caption. Physchim62 (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! --Maurice27 16:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Northen Catalonia, as far as I know, includes Vallespir, Conflent, Rosselló, Alta Cerdanya and Capcir. Maybe it should be changed the name from the image and in spite of writting "the map at left shows Roussillon and Catalonia" should say "the map at left shows Northern Catalonia and Catalonia" (if you look, you can see that in the left image, Fenolleda is not included). The problem perhaps is to associate "Northern Catalonia" with "Rosselló". It's not the same, one is included in the other.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 17:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep, I forgot Conflent from my list. We can be historically correct in not specifically mentioning Capcir, which was a sotsvegueria of Conflent according to the Enciclopèdia Catalana. Physchim62 (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I understood you wrong and I thiught you wanted to put a map just from Rosselló not including the other territories of Northern Catalonia :-P For me it's ok if you find a clearer map. --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 16:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with the map, which I think is important in this article, especially when combined with the second (P-O in France). I think it was me who placed them there, after a dispute many months ago! It was just the caption which I was worried about: we all seem to agree that we shouldn't be making things more confused by saying that Roussillon = Northern Catalonia, whichever period of history you're talking about. Physchim62 (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map caption 

message: As proven by a number of comments on this talk page, the examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. Therefore, it is important to explain to non-related to Catalonia users this point. The existance of "Northern Catalonia" is teached nowhere but in Catalonia. Northern Catalonia is for the rest of humanity nothing else than "Southern France". --Maurice27 22:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if you read the first line of the article, you can see "is sometimes used, particularly in Catalan writings" and also "The equivalent term in French, Catalogne du Nord, is only rarely used". I think this perspective is then properly explained and contextualized.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 15:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is absolutly fantastic! I'm glad we both agree that the template:Globalize must be included.--Maurice27 18:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:Globalize

message: See also previous talk Pays catalans, where I wrote « i think pays catalan is not very used » but I'm not so sure, 3 years later; Pays catalan is now used here: www.cg66.fr, the Conseil général website, also on the Tourist information site. As far as I understand, it's just for touristic purposes. Alvar☮'s saloon. 02:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pays catalan

message: The language paragraph says, "Catalan language could be taken 1 hour per week in secondary school. In the 1970s [...] network of private schools started to offer complete bilingual French/Catalan classes from nursery up to secondary education[3]." Was the language taught the North or standard version? Politis (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Language: North Catalan or Standard Catalan?

message: I was brought to this page from the Hugo Lloris article via . Is there any reason why the first sentence should not include the words "also known as the Pays Catalan"? It seems to me that it was removed in 2007 because it was pipelinked to Pays (France), but I can see no reason why removing the pipelink should mean also removing the words. The term is commonly used in France, as was said by Alvaro two paragraphs up.  2001:BB6:4703:4A58:EDB8:E1A7:A5EC:2A38 (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pays catalan 3 

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message: This article is shocking there is no such thing as Northern Cataluña, only in some independentists' mind! Keep yourself to Spain, leave French territories alone thanks! 213.151.114.50 (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please go away. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:49C1:4458:E3A3:CB83 (talk) 08:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake news