Talk:Richard Kenney (poet)

message: how do i make it have an inuse template?  JenniferL 17 20:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Put it at the top of the article
Natalie 20:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: We need to keep in mind that the "inuse" tag should only be used for short periods, so after some improvement is made, let's remove that.  It should only remain on an article for 2-3 hours. ---Charles 21:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inuse template? 

message: The speedy deletion of this page is not justified, certainly not at this point.  I nearly tagged it as db-empty right after it was first created, but decided instead to encourage the author to place an inuse template on the page and go about the work of filling in the blanks and making improvements.  Clearly, a great deal of work is still to be done, not least of which would be wikification, categorization, the placement of a stub-tag, etc.  At this point, the content in not encyclopaedic enough, and looks more like a criticism page (which is not what we want) than a biography.  However, all of that said, it is unjustified to call this nonsense.  Hence, I will remove the speedy delete tag and the hang-on tag, and place some edit tags.  With some cooperation, there is no reason we cannot improve this and make it encyclopaedic.  Thanks. ---Charles 21:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I took it off. Natalie 21:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense? 

message: I was wondering a) how can I add a picture of the author and of his works and b) how is it coming along?  I still have a few more sections to add.  JenniferL 17 03:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is pretty good for a first article. I have no idea about the pictures though - not my area of expertise. But it looks like you figured it out. Natalie 15:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding pictures? 

message: I'm working on cleaning this up a bit. I removed some senteces discussing what happened in 1948 from his bio - seemed like the wrong place for it, and none of these seemed particularly ironic to me. (The sentences I removed: "Ironically this was the year of Mahatma Gandhi’s assassination, the creation of the United States Armed Forces, and the initiation of extensive missile testing in the New Mexico desert. Ironically this was a time drenched with war and power struggle and the creation of the peacetime draft. Ironically this was the year that Richard Kenney, the writer, began to grow up in.")
I rearranged the second paragraph - it seemed to be moving backwards - and removed his current teaching job, as it doesn't seem that notable of a thing. I'm not sure what to do with the influences section - I'm not thrilled about the list style. Also, I linked the magazines he's published in - the only "American Scholar" I could find is linked, so I hope it's the right one. Natalie 16:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made an infobox, but I cannot get the picture to work. Gack! Natalie 16:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added the picture to the infobox and resized the book cover. Looks OK in Firefox, haven't tried IE yet. Hope this helps. Bubba hotep 19:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, and Alf did too! Bubba hotep 19:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks just fine in IE.  Thanks, Bubba. ---Charles 19:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup, etc. 

message: This still doesn't have a copyright tag on it. If someone lets me know where it came from and what the copyright status is, I will update it... before it gets deleted! Cheers. Bubba hotep 20:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenney image 

message: First of all, thanks to everyone for all of the help!  The page is looking really nice.  
I put the whole irony thing in there just because what happened in his life happens to be the subject matter of his writing...war, evolution, the progression of science, etc.  I think you're right, though; the site looks cleaner and more proffesional now.  
Again, thanks a bunch!!
JenniferL 17 21:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. That makes sense. Maybe the world events that influenced his writing could be discussed in the sections on the books? Natalie 05:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "irony" i put in the biography 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The Invention of the Zero.jpg

message: The quote from Merrill is incorrect and misleading.  Here it reads, 
"The poetic wheels just spin and spin, getting nowhere fast. But Kenney--it's what one likes best about him--nearly always has an end in view, a story to tell."
At the very least it should say, "[T]he poetic...", with a bracketed T, to indicate that it was excerpted from a longer sentence.
However, the sentence it is taken from actually has a significant difference of meaning:
"Meter, often headlong and approximate, sways us down the corridor of some hurtling train--of thought? of mere syntax? The risk here is that the poetic wheels just spin and spin, getting nowhere fast. But Kenney--it's what one likes best about him--nearly always has an end in view, a story to tell."
So you can see, the way the quote is taken out of context actually ascribes this negative property ("getting nowhere fast") to Kenney, whereas Merrill was merely making the point that his forms risk (but avoid) this.
We should think about how to rework this quotation to stay accurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.72.78 (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Merrill Quotation