Talk:Helios Airways Flight 522

message: The dicovery channel series on this crash claims that the flight attendant had '260-270' hours in airplanes.  this is not a "novice private pilot" as the article previously claimed.  To wit, this is enough for a commercial pilot certificate and even a flight instructor certificate (for small planes) in many areas and is a siginificant bit of flying.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.11.56 (talk) 14:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Novice" Private Pilot 

message: It's Cyprus not Cypres, not very important but still.
@unsigned commenter: Looks like this misspelling has been removed. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 10:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Spelling Mistake 

message: I apologise if people have been having trouble editing this page due to me changing its title every 5 minutes. I think its current name, "Helios Airways Flight 522", matches the naming convention used for other air incident articles. - Mark 10:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: Phileleftheros, the leading newspaper in Cyprus is reporting the flight number as HCY 522, not ZU 522.  Changed on wikinews also. It is also being reported as a Boeing 737/800 not 300.
 
More likely a 300 but wait for confirmation Andypasto 12:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight number 

message: SKY News reports that the English translation of the text message would be: "The captain has turned blue in his face. Farewell, cousin, we are freezing." Which is the correct translation? SAB 11:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The SMS message 

message: What is a 737-31S, exactly?  Sources I've seen call it a 737-300.--Pharos 19:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The last two digits of the type suffix on Boeing jetliners designates the aircraft's original customer and is known as the customer code.  Saying -300 is generic, while -31S is the code on that particular aircraft's operating certificate, and indicates that the aircraft was originally ordered by Deutsche BA. Hawaiian717 19:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  737-31S 

message: This article reads as if it were written by people for whom English is not a first languge. Anyone want to attempt a re-write? It's passable English, but rather awkward and clunky in places for an encyclopedia entry.  Moncrief 05:49, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
:It's also hopelessy inaccurate. I think I will undertake this task, but I'd rather people just read the Wikinews article, which is far better. Dan100 (Talk) 09:26, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
::Hopefully it's a bit better now. Dan100 (Talk) 09:57, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
:::It's not, because your latest edit omits recently broadcasted information from reliable media that has been confirmed about a few hours ago by official sources and eyewitnesses. Furthermore, in your massive removal of the most recent news, you also removed the correction of a typo. It is not "figher", but "fighter".
Read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Dan100 (Talk) 11:52, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
The article became overloaded with longwinded attribution of sources and material that has been refuted by new disclosures. A major purpose of Wikipedia is to nail down history. Since the Helios crash is no longer exactly breaking news, it should be trimmed to be a real encyclopedia article. I've revised it in keeping wiht Dan100's wise recommendation about verifiability  Myron 02:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write 

message: Wiki articles variously specify the F-16s came from Araxos or Néa Anchialos and that they were from the 116th or 117th Combat [sic] Wing. What is the truth and what is most precise?
The Wikipedia List of aircraft of the Hellenic Air Force shows 165 F-16s total but does not specify where they are deployed. According to Structure of the Hellenic Air Force, the 116th Fighter [sic] Wing (116 Πτέρυγα Μάχης) is based at Araxos, while the 117th is at Andravida. The home of the 111th is not given in that Wikipedia article. However, other sources  put the 111th at Néa Anghialos and indicate that it is the 111th Pterix that operates all the F-16s (F-16C/D Blocks 30 and 50) and that the 116th operates only nuclear-capable aging Vaught A-7E and A-7H Corsairs, one of which crashed March 22, 2002 on a training flight from Araxos , another of which was lost on a training flight from Araxos July 5, 2005 . On the other hand two F-16s attempting to return from a training flight to Néa Anghialos, collided and crashed on October 14, 2004 .
All of this strongly albeit indirectly indicates that the F-16s that scrambled to intercept Helios Airways Flight 522 were actually from the 111th based at the military airport near Néa Anghialos, which is on Pagassitikos Bay (AKA Pagasetic Gulf) and nowhere near Araxos (<EM>see http://www.scramble.nl/gr.htm and click on "Order of Battle"</EM>).
If I don't hear differently, I'll correct the Helios article as per the above. Myron 00:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where Were the F-16s Actually Based? 

message: Has anyone heard or have theories on the location of the East German pilot?  He was reportedly not in the cockpit when the F-16s were escorting, and they still have not found his body.
:There is no East Germany anymore. He is a German citizen. As for his body, the coroner has indicated that many bodies are burned beyond recognition, and will require dental identification. --Dhartung | Talk 06:20, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was the pilot? 

message: I don't know how true this information is as this is the first time I'm reading it, but if true, Turkey received a distress signal by the Helios aircraft at some point.  I'll be checking tomorrow to see if any more stories back up this claim.  Here's the link:      Turkey and Greece clash over Helios emergency code     K... 04:59, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distress Signal

message: It's been many months, yet nothing (the cause of crash etc) has been found? Has there been no updates? --Zeno McDohl 03:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Developments? 

message: Flight recorder data make it clear that explosive decompression was not a factor in this accident. True explosive decompressions are rare, one example of one which was virtually instantaneous but survivable was that of the Aloha Airlines Flight 243 Boeing 737 that lost a large section of roof while cruising at 24,000', illustrating how big a hole is needed to cause instantaneous decompression. A more typical decompression takes an appreciable time for pressure to be lost even with a hole the size, for example, of a window in the airframe. Talk of consciousness times in the 3-5 second range is therefore misplaced. treesmill 01:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "big hole" is the result of an explosive decompression, not the cause. "a small section on the left side of the roof ruptured. The resulting explosive decompression tore off a large section of the roof." 173.164.86.190 (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explosive decompression 

message: Here's a link to an article which details about the interim report of this accident in English version.
Helios Flight 522 was destined to crash
We may be able to update/rewrite the "Further Development" section basing on new information.
ppa 21:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interim report 

message: A Discovery Channel programme onon this subject contained an alligation by an air crash investigator that the reinforced cabin door prevented the air steward from entering the cockpit before it was too late to prevent the crash. Can anyone cite other evidence for or against this? Unfortunately it must remain a speculation, as though the black boxes records when they entered the cabin, it doesn't record how many long it took them. But in the wake of ever increasing aircraft and airport security, isn't such professional speculation noteworthy? ANTIcarrot 15:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aircraft security features 

message: I don't know if anyone can come up with a theory, but if the plane ran out of fuel why was there such a large post crash fire?  Not only was it out of fuel, it also ran out of oxygen - something that could have fed a post crash fire, any other theories?
:Actually, being out of fuel can lead to a really big post crash fire, as fuel vapors in the tanks are much more explosive than liquid Jet A. Once there fire starts, there all kinds of material, both fluid and solid, in an airliner that will feed a fire. And as for the oxygen, they ran out at altitude. Last I checked, there's plenty of oxygen on the ground to feed a fire. Akradecki 00:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of fuel, but post crash fire? 

message: I was watching Mayday on Discovery Channel, and their story was totally different from the one in the article. Does anyone have an explanation for the inconsistency? --Alx xlA 01:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It said there was only Andreas Prodromou in the cockpit and not two flight attendants(which is wikipedia's Error, see the final report[first external link] as it says there's a male flight attendant only), Andreas Prodromou entered the code to enter and not waited until the door unlocked --Cramhains 19:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, same for Air Crash Investigation on Nat Geo. Andreas definitely entered the code (because there is the sound of the keypad on the CVR tape). Also states he was the only one conscious in the flight deck at the end (and no mention of a female flight attendant there).
Bramley 07:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Oops, apparently this is the same program! Well I have edited those details anyway Bramley 05:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Why is the cabin locked? Anti-terrorism measure? Drutt 10:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Another program that was shown on the Discovery Channel had the story of two flight attendants, being Andreas and his fiancee, entering the cockpit.  Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtrf0oyr604 Google searches seem to show both stories, with F-16 pilots testifying in the various news sources found on google that he saw two flight attendants entering the cockpit 58.7.38.211 (talk) 12:04, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discovery Channel -- Mayday 

message: The article contains a map that purports to show the crash location. It looks more like a search area than a crash location. Has anyone got a better map? 82.1.57.194 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash location 

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message: The post 9/11 locked cockpit aspect was a major part of the post crash analysis but is missing from this article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloofToofTechnology (talk • contribs) 06:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked cockpit 

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