Talk:History of Afghanistan

message: I'm not an expert on Afghanistan, nor do I want to look through all the various pages on the history of Afghanistan to be sure that the info at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5380.htm has been incorporated into the article.  But obviously there is someone around who doesn't mind working extensively on the history of Afghanistan, so just let me point out that the link above is in the public domain.  So you can copy and paste at will, if need be.  --KQ 04:08 Sep 12, 2002 (UTC)
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Are the Islamic State of Afghanistan and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan the same thing? --Jiang 10:22, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: There never was an "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan." --Wik 11:57, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)
Apparently, we have an entire article on the History of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. --Jiang 02:06, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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message: The CIA aid to the Islamic resistance during the Soviet intervention is well established and is documented in George Crile, Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History, Atlantic Monthly Press, 2002, hardcover, 550 pages, 
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Just noting this for possible future review.. The line "The puppet government of Afghanistan responded to attacks with heavy handed intervention from the army." is probably not entirely NPOV.  At that time the government was only seeking Soviet help, and had not really been replaced with one fully controlled by the soviets.
this article makes it sound like the soviet's created the government there.....and "Many groups
were formed in an attempt to reverse the dependence on the Soviet Union, some resorting to
violent means and sabotage of the country's industry and infrastructure. The government responded with a heavy handed military intervention and arrested, exiled and executed many mujahideen 
'holy Muslim warriors'"....the mujadhideen are the one's who attacked the trade center..
theyre religious extremists and terrorists and werent fighting for the people's will, 
they just want the whole world to live in the 7th century and believe in their 
universally renounced extremist interpretation of Islam.  The "dependence on the soviet union"... thats a non-NPOV way of saying they were recieving voluntary economic aide to build basic infrastructure that was up till then lacking....IF the US did it its selfless idealism....if the USSR did it then its the encroaching tentacles of an evil empire...PSH!
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This history of Afghanistan article is incredibly biased to promote American imperialism's revisionist history narrative. This is an invariable failing of Wikipedia which has been overrun by U.S. intelligence agency (for example CIA or FBI) propagandists whose job it is to create a self-serving, pro-American perspective on world events, especially for countries where the USA is deeply involved in regime change or taking over that country. Afghanistan is an obvious choice for their 'editors' to go to work. Even the post immediately above mine is pointing this bias out: 
'The "dependence on the soviet union"... thats a non-NPOV way of saying they were recieving voluntary economic aide to build basic infrastructure that was up till then lacking....IF the US did it its selfless idealism....if the USSR did it then its the encroaching tentacles of an evil empire...PSH!'
NEVER trust Wikipedia on political topics involving USA like this history of Afghanistan article. Notice how at the end there is nothing about the recent, literal 'in the middle of the night' unannounced to the Afghan government withdrawal of 95% of American troops from Afghanistan: you see, this inconvenient truth doesn't fit into the "spreading democracy" liberal interventionist propaganda narrative of the USA. You can rest assured any attempt to objectively, factually tell the history of the American invasion and occupation of Afghanistan will be quickly erased and edited to make the USA look like the benevolent savior of Afghanistan's struggling government. 
217.30.78.42 (talk) 10:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: CIA aid to the Mujahideen

message: Something must be written about the presence of Buddhism and the Hindu Shahi rulers of Afghanistan. Muwaffaq 2 July 2005 04:54 (UTC)
::Theres no point. It will just get erased. Or taken down. Because this is wikipedia. And sometimes computer dictators run wikipedia 71.105.87.54 (talk) 11:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buddhism and Hinduism in Afghanistan 

message: What's with the citations in the intro? Do you really need names and information about people who studied Afghanistan included directly in the beginning intro text (where space is limited)? It makes the article seem like it's about academics rather than about Afghanistan. falsedef 13:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first paragraph in the intro is perfect, explaining that major people and institutions are involved in putting together the history of Afghanistan.--NisarKand 11:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it's bloated and needs to be trimmed down considerably. Falsedef 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Falsedef. The first paragraph should be an introduction of the content rather than a summary of "The Study of the History of Afghanistan". Alexkreuz 22:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation bragging?

message: That section really is too long. For a short period of Afghanistan's history, it is for some reason the longest section of this article. Also, the content on the Mirwais Khan Hotaki article, is the same as here. The content here should be a shorter version. So all this section needs to be summarized and shortened because its kind of silly having about 30 years of Afghanistan's history being longer than the rest. --Behnam 06:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, the rest of the sections need to be extended and made longer so that the entire history be explained in much more details. This kind of detailed history of Afghanistan is not found anywhere else. By the way...check History of Pakistan or History of India and see how long they are.--NisarKand 11:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the Hotaki section should be summarized in this article and most of the content of the Hotaki section in this article should be merged into the main Hotaki article.  The main Hotaki article as of right now is a very incomplete summary and should be expanded. Alexkreuz 22:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mirwas Khan Hotaki section needs to be shortened. 

message: The information about Afghanistan is not correct. First Kushal Khan Khattak was not from modern Afghanistan he was from modern West-Pakistan, from Multan (some say he was from Delhi). Another fault is that the name Afghanistan is used for all centuries of this country. The name Afghanistan is taken from the Britain word Afghanland which was describing the area of Kandahar and NorthWestFRontier. In Baburnama Afghanistan is known as the Peschawar-Valley or the western Ghat where the Afghans live and call themself Afghans. They living region took from Kafiristan to Lahor and Quetta.
Another Fault is that Ghorids, Kartids,Samanids and Ghaznawids were Afghans. They weren´t. They were Persians or turkish origine. 
Please change the miss-informations. If you need help about the history just write me.
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Ps:the name of **Afghanistan** was in the later ancient and in the middle Khorassan (Country of the uprising sun) which is taken from the old languages of Parthian and the oldest iranic language of Awestan.
Plz study Baburnama or download it rom the web and search after the term Afghan. You can give your anser in the page where you can read the Baburnama and you will see Afghanistan was the Peshawar-Valley first, before the 19. century —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 10:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong informations about Afghanistan 

message: In an edit summary for Template:History of Afghanistan, Beh-nam said as he removed the link to the Hotaki dynasty, "yes it is consistent if you actually read the article, Hotakis did not rule this area". My question to him is: If not here, then in what area did the Hotaki rule? Where did they have their capital? --Bejnar 22:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Place of the Hotaki in the history of Afghanistan

message: I find it odd that among the reasons for the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan is women's rights.  Surely that can't reasonably be called a trigger for the invasion.  208.54.95.134 (talk) 01:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for invasion 

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===Kushans and Buddhism===
During the Kushan rule, Afghanistan became the center of Buddhist culture and learning.
===3rd to 9th century -Buddhist Turk and Hindu Shahis===
 
The Shahi (Devanagari शाही)  as in: Rajatarangini, IV,  140-43, Kalahana., Sahi  as in inscriptions: See: Hindu Sahis of Afghanistan and the Punjab, 1972, p 111, Yogendra Mishra., also called Shahiya  as in: Tarikh-al-Hind, trans. E. C. Sachau, 1888/1910, vol ii, pp 10, Abu Rihan Alberuni; Sehrai, Fidaullah (1979). Hund: The Forgotten City of Gandhara, p. 1. Peshawar Museum Publications New Series, Peshawar.Shahi Family. Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 16 Oct. 2006  . dynasties ruled portions of the Kabul Valley (in eastern Afghanistan) and the old province of Gandhara (northern Pakistan and Kashmir) from the decline of the Kushan Empire in third century to the early ninth century .The Shahis continued to rule eastern Afghanistan until the late 9th century till the Ghaznavid  invasions .
Intothefire (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: The Shahi (Devanagari शाही)  as in: Rajatarangini, IV,  140-43, Kalahana., Sahi  as in inscriptions: See: Hindu Sahis of Afghanistan and the Punjab, 1972, p 111, Yogendra Mishra., also called Shahiya  as in: Tarikh-al-Hind, trans. E. C. Sachau, 1888/1910, vol ii, pp 10, Abu Rihan Alberuni; Sehrai, Fidaullah (1979). Hund: The Forgotten City of Gandhara, p. 1. Peshawar Museum Publications New Series, Peshawar.Shahi Family. Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 16 Oct. 2006  . dynasties ruled portions of the Kabul Valley (in eastern Afghanistan) and the old province of Gandhara (northern Pakistan and Kashmir) from the decline of the Kushan Empire in third century to the early ninth century .The Shahis continued to rule eastern Afghanistan until the late 9th century till the Ghaznavid  invasions .
Intothefire (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 3rd to 9th century -Buddhist Turk and Hindu Shahis

message: If you click the article that says History of Afghanistan their is mention of Afghanistan's connection with the Indus valley Civilization, which has to do with India. And in this article, and other articles, their is mention how Afghanistan has Aryan heritage. And has a history of Hinduism and Buddhism. All of which I agree with. But for some odd reason, their is little mention that Afghanistan has a ethnic and cultural connection with the history and culture of India? It doesn't make sense. I mean if it has all these ties that I have mentioned, doesn't that mean that Afghanistan has connections to the history and culture of India? I am not saying it was part of the country. Because in those days their were no boarders. But wasn't it apart of the local Aryan people? Before Islam werent many people Hindu and Buddhist then here water? So wouldn't it be easier to just say, that ancient Afghanistan has a connection to Ancient India? And before you say no, remmeber something, when you click history of Afghanitan it mention's the connection with the Indus Valley Civiliazation. So that is a connection with Ancient India isn't it? So would anyone object to me making some change's? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it has connection ancient india but it aslo possible to say it has connection with central asian civilisation,and even more with Irannian civilisation 
so what i am trying to say is. 
to say that it very close connection with  Ancient india is nPov but leaving out  other ancient civilisation and regions especially is pov ref></ref> 
thanks 
Suggest removing connection with ancient india line from the first line and put it in maybe couple of lines lower and add other cilisation (just a suggestion)thanks Mughalnz (talk) 21:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you want to do that? Before Islam most of Afghanistan had a Hindu population. Even on wikipedia there is a page called Hinduism in Afghanistan that confrims this. Yet on this page you have little mention of it. And you want to move it down? ? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 11:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is their little mention of a connection with [[Ancient India]] then here? ?  

message: hey can some one expand or improve the new sectionsMughalnz (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  other civilisation 

message: Portions of the text as of 16 February 2010 are taken directly from the book Afghanistan revisited by Cary Gladstone. See, for example page 90 which matches the second paragraph of the lead. --Bejnar (talk) 19:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the text, that section in Afghanistan revisited was written by Craig Baxter in 1995. --Bejnar (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation alert

message: Before the arrival of Islam, Afghanistan was culturally and historically linked with Hinduism and ancient India. Even on wikipedia there is a page called Hinduism in Afghanistan and it mentinos this. Yet here there is little to no mention of Afghanistan being ilnked and apart of Ancient India and / or Hinduism then ? ? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 11:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article lacks a sub-section on Mauryaans conquest of parts of Afghanistan, and you can help improve the article by adding the text in the appropriate section along with the sources. But what you did in here is a vandalism. I had to revert it back. The History of Afghanistan does not start with Hinduism. The Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex existed several centuries before that Buddhism came to this land. Ariana (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldnt this article start with the links to Ancient India and / or Hinduism then ? ?  

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message: The Kingdom of Afghanistan: A Historical Sketch By G.P Tate
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message: The USA, modeling the TVA, set up in Afghanistan to bring infrastructure into the country in the 1950's. They literally created a "Little America in Afghanistan." 
See Helmand and Arghandab Valley Authority. It's even the subject of a modern documentary about the history of Afghanistan called Bitter Lake (film), numerous articles, a book, and even a Wikipedia page, yet somehow not linked to this page.
http://www.amazon.com/Little-America-The-Within-Afghanistan/dp/0307947041
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/visit-afghanistans-little-america-and-see-the-folly-of-for-profit-war/257962/
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message: At 135kb, this article is oversized according to WP:SIZERULE. There is far too much emphasis on the war in Afghanistan, for which there are other articles on Wikipedia that cover the same material.  William Harris |talk  12:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The opening paragraph of the section 'Middle Ages (565–1504 CE)' reads : From the Middle Ages to around 1750 Afghanistan was known as Khorasan.
The link beside this sentence (citation 61, Encyclopedia Britannica), on the other hand, states:-
Khorāsān, also spelled Khurasan, historical region and realm comprising a vast territory now lying in northeastern Iran, southern Turkmenistan, and northern Afghanistan.
This clearly means Afghanistan wasn't known as Khorasan during that time; only the northern parts of Afghanistan were part of an even larger historical region known as Khorasan. I think it's reckless to not specify this detail since people who are not estoric in the knowledge of the region may be misguided by it, just as I was. Cestabhi (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Afghanistan from the Middle Ages to around 1750 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :History of Afghanistan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Iranicaarticle":
From Arachosia: 
From Mohammed Nadir Shah: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:History of Afghanistan]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :History of Afghanistan(Khorasan). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 1#History of Afghanistan(Khorasan) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "History of Afghanistan(Khorasan)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Currently the penultimate paragraph of section #6.5 "NATO presence and the Emergency Loya Jirga's government" ends "In 2014, Ashraf Ghani was elected to be the president of Afghanistan." and the first sentence of the next paragraph starts "In 2021". Although there are references to other articles below the section heading perhaps there should be some mention of events between 2014 and 2021. Mcljlm (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATO presence, Emergency Loya Jirga's government 

message: Sorry, I'm on mobile and idk how to block quote.
"The majority of people in the cities including Kabul either welcomed or were ambivalent to these policies. However, the Marxist–Leninist and secular nature of the government as well as its heavy dependence on the Soviet Union made it unpopular with a majority of the Afghan population. Repressions plunged large parts of the country, especially the rural areas, into open revolt against the new Marxist–Leninist government. By spring 1979 unrests had reached 24 out of 28 Afghan provinces including major urban areas. Over half of the Afghan army would either desert or join the insurrection. Most of the government's new policies clashed directly with the traditional Afghan understanding of Islam, making religion one of the only forces capable of unifying the tribally and ethnically divided population against the unpopular new government, and ushering in the advent of Islamist participation in Afghan politics."
Citation 131 for this leads to a page with absolutely none of this info, just a short paragraph and links to other articles. Those should be cited directly for each respective source, as referenced by the quoted paragraph, no?? 71.185.27.93 (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad citation 

message: Lal and Satish are not reliable sources. Both are experts on Indian history not Afghan history and wrongly claiming that "Afghanistan was always part of ancient India" reeks of nationalism. Also, their citations taken are from the book "History of India" which means they could be only considered experts on Indian history. Especially Lal's work shouldn't even be used here in the first place considering he's an outspoken supporter of the debunked and fringe AIT theory. I think both citations should be removed but i am open to discussing this with other editors and considering hearing their options. Akmal94 (talk) 06:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem expert in South Asian history. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 09:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian sources in medival section  

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Military of Afghanistan which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 19:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress