Talk:List of American artists

message: This is a list of historically recognized American "fine artists" known for the creation of artworks that are primarily visual in nature, such as painting, sculpture, photography, printmaking, installation art, avant-garde performance art, and experimental film.
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:I'm new to this -- why is this comment "hidden"? Can anyone tell me what it means for some comments to be hidden and others not hidden? (Trackway 02:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you pick this up from somewhere? If you put the <! etc before & after text it is only seen when editing. Johnbod 02:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of American artists

message: I got this one up recently, which no one has yet tried to delete. Tyrenius in particular saw it without the urge to delete. Of course it's far smaller, & is able to add value in ways categories can't by mentioning the different techniques. The categories attempted this with very poor results.  You might find a similar approach works. I would do completely seperate lists by period, as you have so many people.  Best of luck - I won't be able help I'm afraid.  Johnbod 01:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of printmakers]] 

message: My main concern now is the coding for individual years and artists. At present it appears:
*1900<BR>
Alice Neel (1900-1984), painter<BR>
Jack Tworkov (1900-1982), painter<BR>
*1901<BR>
James Richmond Barthé (1901-1989), sculptor<BR>
I admit this does have an attractiveness to it, but it's quite unconventional wiki-wise by using "small" tags (though these only have to be done once to set up each year) and also "br" tags to force a line break. I think for ease of viewing, either for those hard of sight or using high res screens, "small" should be avoided. Tyrenius 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Decades, small years 

message: 1900
*Alice Neel (1900-1984), painter
*Jack Tworkov (1900-1982), painter
1901
*James Richmond Barthé (1901-1989), sculptor
This is currently my preferred version. Very simple to format for all users, minimal coding, easy to see, aesthetically acceptable, compatible with visual expectations on wiki. Tyrenius 02:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: looks OK to me Trackway 03:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decades, names with bullets, years plain 

message: The small font idea could be combined with the simple bulleted list, and become:
;1900
*Alice Neel (1900-1984), painter
*Jack Tworkov (1900-1982), painter
;1901
*James Richmond Barthé (1901-1989), sculptor
The small font in bold seems perfectly readable ... Trackway 04:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decades, names with bullets, small years 

message: We need to study Wikipedia:List guideline and Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists). Using the latter's example of List of winners and shortlisted authors of the Booker Prize for Fiction results in:
*1900
**Alice Neel (1900-1984), painter
**Jack Tworkov (1900-1982), painter
*1901
**James Richmond Barthé (1901-1989), sculptor
I can't say I find it all that attractive, but it's very easy to format with just one or, for indent two, asterisk(s). Tyrenius 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the unattractiveness, it's like maybe too many bullets. I like the years in plain text as opposed to bold, though -- is there a coding to make the unordered bullet list you suggested at first with plain font? So there would be an indention, but no bold heading? Trackway 04:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I read you correctly, I think you mean what I have now added above as "Decades, names with bullets, years plain". I will comment above on it.Tyrenius 02:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decades, years and names with bullets 

message: It's possible to use a heading for each year as in Vincent van Gogh chronology with TOC in table form, rather than normal list form. That was level 2 heading which produces lines, but a level 3 heading wouldn't. In this case the ten year divisions wouldn't be needed as each year would have a TOC link.Tyrenius 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I were to do this, I'd go even smaller, to a level 5 heading -- the bold font is perfectly visible, and easy to distinguish from the plain font of the artist entries, and it's a lot more attractive. But, that said, I also have to mention that the Vincent van Gogh chronology has only only 36 years in the TOC -- imagine the size of a 100-year TOC! In my opinion, it would look awful, and for whatever slight ease it adds to a search, I don't think it's worth it (and I continue to believe that the page will mainly be used for creative free-association, rather than to find which artists were born in which "exact" year). A TOC divided into decades gets you pretty close to where you're going, I don't think it's a lot to expect that a visitor could scroll from there. Trackway 04:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I think decade headings will suffice for ease of location. Tyrenius 02:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No decades, years as headings

message: :* John Baldessari (1931-), conceptual artist
:* Lee Bontecou (1931-), sculptor
:* Audrey Flack (1931-), painter
:* Malcolm Morley (1931-), painter
:* Robert Morris (1931-), sculptor, conceptual artist
:* Tom Wesselmann (1931-2004), painter, collage artist
:* Robert Bechtle (1932-), painter
:* James Lee Byars (1932-1997), installation artist, sculptor, performance artist
:* Dan Flavin (1933-1996), sculptor]]
:* Sam Gilliam (1933-), painter
:* Alison Knowles (1933-) Fluxus performance artist, sound artist, papermaker, printmaker
:* Yoko Ono (1933-) installation artist, sculptor, filmmaker
:* James Rosenquist (1933-), painter and muralist
:* Don Bachardy (1934-), portrait artist
:* Walter Darby Bannard (1934-), painter
:It seems this could be done by putting in two spaces (I couldn't figure out how to simply add a single space). I can undersatnd the logic of it -- if it's done this way, new section dates don't have to be added when a previously unused year is added -- but  I find it hard on the eyes, and a little confusing, when searching; and it could get fouled up easily, if contributors didn't follow or understand the system (i.e., one space won't work, etc.), unless specific directions were added; but the "year" headings act as directions in and of themselves, making entries easier ...
:Trackway 04:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - not satisfactory. Tyrenius 23:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Born 1930-1939

message: This needs to be checked in WP:MOS. Should it be 1900-1984 or 1900-84? Tyrenius 02:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I'm missing it, this is not directly addressed in the WP:MOS.  I checked out a page called History by period and the long versions are used, as in: "Edwardian period (United Kingdom, 1901 - 1910)" and "Cold War (Soviet Union and United States, as well their allied states, 1945-1989)" ... the linked pages also use this form. I think this long version looks more proper Trackway 03:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date format

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