Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Magic: The Gathering/Archive 1

message: (shamelessly stolen from Magic: The Gathering sets)
* MTGSets Template - I tried my hand at it and the formatting is awful. Grue 13:50, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Checklist 

message: Each block now has its own color.  Here's a table
Block    	Color
Unblocked	Lightgrey
Ice Age  	Lightblue
Mirage   	Orange
Rath     	Magenta
Urza     	Violet
Masques  	Tan
Invasion 	Gold
Odyssey  	Red
Onslaught	Lightgreen
Mirrodin 	Silver
Kamigawa 	Yellow
Portal   	Teal
Un-      	Pink
The teal for Portal block might be a little dark.  The text is readable but maybe there is a better color out there.  Also, the violet used for Urza block is very similar to the magenta in Rath.  There is a difference when looked at side by side but there might be alternatives here as well.
Here are some colors to avoid using for a block (which will only happen every so often): green, blue, indigo.  All of these colors are too dark for the text to be read.
We'll need to agree on a color for Ravnica block when it comes out.
-- Nis81 14:52, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
:I've changed the infobox so everything is silver.  Three reasons: the colors for new sets weren't consistent with each other, the colors were being arbitrarily assigned, and some weren't that readable.  I think a consistent look is the best.  -- Norvy (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Block colors 

message: I modified the Final Fantasy Wikiproject's Project Notice to fit with this project and have put it on the talk page of many MtG articles.  Hopefully this will help increase the project's visibility.
Here's what it looks like:
You can access it with .  Any improvements to the template are welcomed!  -- Norvy (talk) 07:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Notice 

message: I've been asked to look at if the use of expansion symbols such as :Image:Visions (Magic- The Gathering) Symbol.gif can be done under fair use or not.  Obligatory disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.  That said, I feel that the use of the expansion symbols in the articles on the respective expansions is justified under fair use, so long as the guidelines at Wikipedia:Fair use are followed and the image description page includes a rationale as specified in Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale.  Use in any other article is probably not justified. --Carnildo 22:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use of expansion symbols 

message: I really don't think that articles in :Category:Magic: The Gathering sets should also be in :Category:Magic: The Gathering. :Category:Magic: The Gathering should be more of a holding ground for articles that don't fit any of the subcategories. What do you think? -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  -- Norvy (talk) 03:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. I'll get started. -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 03:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic Sets in [[:Category:Magic: The Gathering]] 

message: When you speak of notable cards in set-related articles, please take the time to write what format any ban information added applies to. Otherwise the result is a bloody tangle of a mess. also, i fixed some factual errors (Sharazad is legal to have 4 of in both Vintage and Legacy). --80.222.69.104 08:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable cards in set articles 

message: The page on Unhinged lists the card "Super Secret Tech". I was wondering if there was any source to that or if it was a hoax (qv Throat wolf). Radiant_>|< 19:27, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
:eBay has several reputable people selling it: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=super+secret+tech  -- Norvy (talk) 23:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Secret Tech 

message: Slobad create Category:Magic: The Gathering planes, huh? All articles about planes should be part of this category, huh?
Slobad 04:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Magic: The Gathering planes 

message: Is there any real reason to give pages like Ravnica, Mirrodin, or Guildpact the (Magic: The Gathering) nametag? With these, there's nothing to disambiguate them from. -Senori 05:51, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
Ravnica's been jumping around lately.  As of now, it looks like this:
*Ravnica: City of Guilds - expansion information
*Ravnica (Magic: The Gathering) - stub description of the plane itself
So it essentially needs to disambiguate from itself.  Any ideas? Ravnica (Magic: The Gathering) and Ravnica (plane) would probably be my vote.  -- Norvy (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just Ravnica? Im sure it's a trademarked name, so I doubt there will ever be any ambiguity. Move Ravnica: City of Guilds to Ravnica, make Ravnica (Magic: The Gathering) redirect there, and fix the MTG sets template accordingly. Andrew Levine 00:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ravnica is a plane, not a set, huh? Slobad think that Ravnica or (Ravnica (Magic: The Gathering)) should be an article about the plane, with links to each of the three sets in the block, huh? Slobad 05:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm agreed that keeping information on Ravnica under the storyline section is the way to go.  The article can cover both.-- Norvy (talk) 06:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Magic: The Gathering) 

message: Who knows when this was deleted?  I have been away for awhile but I come back and I can't find this page at all.  It hasn't been moved and appears to be lost.  I'm looking through the deletion logs so I can vote for an undeletion but I can't find it anywhere.  Any help would be much appreciated.
:Hmmm... apparently, Portal: is a namespace, like Wikipedia: or User:, which must have confused the wiki software, the admins, or both. Stay tuned... --Ashenai 19:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ... Well, I asked the Help Desk. Unfortunately, no one could figure out how to get the articles back so far; this may change in the future, or it may not. In any case, the article names will have to be changed. I suggest Portal - Three Kingdoms and Portal - Second Age. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. --Ashenai 23:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Portal Three Kingdoms was restored. Portal: Second Age could not be found (if you can find a Special:Contributions link for someone who edited it, please tell me; it probably has another name). --cesarb 01:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal: Three Kingdoms 

message: this only is allowed when there is another article with the same name right? it really isn't allowed when there isn't anything else? personally i feel it would just be nice to just add it to everything and make redirects. are there more people who feel that way or is it simply against wiki rules? Boneyard 10:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you attach the (Magic: The Gathering) tag to everything? You should only disambiguate something when it's necessary to do so. -Senori 01:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  (magic: the gathering) addition 

message: time to update the ice age block, remove homelands and put coldsnap as the latest serie of that block i take it? The question has still not been answered as of if Wizards of the Coast are going to use the old templates of the card or the new ones as of the 8th ed in 2003. there was supposibly problems with the card they made in the unglued set that had the old templates. Boneyard 09:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this question was answered in Randy Buehler's original Coldsnap announcement back in October. See here under the FAQ question "Q. Will there be theme decks?" Randy notes that there will be, and that they will include other cards from the Ice Age block, which will be updated with the new frames because the Coldsnap set will be using the new frames as well. FallenAngelEyes 12:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coldsnap 

message: I made all cards in the "power 9" redirect to the Power Nine article.
Added redirects:
*Mox Emerald
*Mox Jet
*Mox Sapphire
*Mox Pearl
*Time Walk
*TimeTwister
*Ancestral Recall
the other 2 were already redirected (Black Lotus, Mox Ruby)
--HTL2001 (Talk|Contrib) 04:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  power 9 redirects 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: For all you that have userboxes, I just created . Enjoy! --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 02:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: I noticed just yesterday that there was no article on Card sleeves, so I started one.  It needs work... it's not an MtG set but since card sleeves are such an important part of the CCG culture, I figured I might be able to find people here knowledgeable about the subject.  Mangojuice 18:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Card sleeve]]s 

message: Zvi Mowshowitz Mathmo 03:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kept. User:IdahoEv's comprehensive argument  for inclusion of professional magic players is a good read, and noted here as a reference if this happens again.  -- Norvy (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic page up for deletion 

message: we need a better pic on out main page as the jibmo wales one says nothing about magic or what it is.  or our project Carbine 09:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Magic: The Gathering needs a better pic than the hidious jimbo whales 

message: we need a page deadicated to the colours ot magic and their description Carbine 09:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Magic:_The_Gathering#The_colors_of_Magic seems to work just fine, I disagree that another article is called for.  -- Norvy (talk) 21:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  we need a page specificly for the diffrent colours or magic 

message: Would someone from this project be willing to take a look at Stax (Magic: The Gathering) and clean-up the article to make it fit in with the standards around here.  I'm not familiar with Magic: The Gathering at all (aside from what my friends tried to teach me 6-7 years ago in middle school), but stumbled upon this while doing wikification projects.  Any help would be appreciated.  Metros232 21:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stax (Magic: The Gathering)]] 

message: I created a userbox for us.  If you want to identify yourself as a member on your user page, add  to it. Tophu 15:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox for Project Members 

message: We use quotes, pictures, and card links. On the Magic: The Gathering deck types and subpages, there is a need for decklists. I have no idea if this the correct way to go about it, but I have hacked a dirty decklist template on my userspace and I need someone who is better at wiki to complete it or at least tell me it's impossible.
Here's what you type:
 :::
Here is what you get:
Here it is in execution:

{{User:NorrYtt/deck
|Red Deck Wins
|Shuhei Nakamura
|Japanese Nationals|
4|Grim Lavamancer|
4|Jackal Pup|
4|Mogg Fanatic|
4|Blistering Firecat|
4|Firebolt|
4|Seal of Fire|
4|Magma Jet|
4|Pillage|
4|Cursed Scroll|
4|Wasteland|
4|Rishadan Port|
4|Bloodstained Mire|
4|Wooded Foothills|
8|Mountain}}
I'm going to clean it up and make it way better, but at least it's functional! NorrYtt 23:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decklist Template 

message: I noticed that some of the parts of the time spiral were still stubs.  does anyone have info on these new series's.  
Ps whats this new snow mana in cold snap?
F 22 07:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you tap a Snow-Covered Island, you get a blue mana that is also considered snow mana. Some cards in Coldsnap reward you for using snow mana.NorrYtt 16:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time spiral 

message: Shouldn't all wikis relating to MTG be listed on this page in the form of its own section? HaLoGuY007 01:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Page 

message: Does anyone else feel that the MTG characters (A) pages should actually be at Characters in Magic: The Gathering (A)? I'm sure this would be much more inkeeping with Wikipedia's naming conventions for pages. Does anyone know of a bot for doing large-scale page moves? QmunkE 07:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MTG characters pages 

message: I noticed that we're using two different infoboxes for the various set pages, and even then there are quite a few places where a set doesn't quite fit into the template. I had the bright idea of both combining the two templates and making it flexible enough to fit any given set. Sadly, I can't get the code right, as I want to embed table code inside a template parameter and apparently you can't do that. If anyone wants to take a crack at it, the (proposed) new template is at Template:Infobox mtgset. --Khaim 21:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I got it working. Template:Infobox mtgset now has all the fields availible in the other infoboxes, and eliminates rows if the parameters are not supplied. So, for example, you can eliminate the "mechanics" parameter on a base set and it will simply not display the Mechanics line. Likewise for codename and a few others. --Khaim 19:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Infobox 

message: I'm making a shortcut for the Wikiproject. 
Something like WP:MTG. Dfrg.msc  23:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done!  Dfrg.msc  00:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortcut 

message: Just a heads up to you guys regarding the Ravnica page. Large sections of the text are either a copy/paste or a slightly reworded copydump from the following copyrighted pages.
* http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/ravnica/home and subpages
* http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/guildpact/home and subpages
* http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/dissension/home and subpages
On all other fronts, keep up the good work! -- saberwyn 10:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up on copyright violations 

message: Since this seems to be the official place to drop off random templates...  since I notice lots of the Set articles link to various cards, I created the  template for fast & easy Gatherer links.  Less chance of a random typo, and if WotC changes the website in the future, there won't be a ton of repairs to do, just one.
It's pretty self-explanatory, as it's ruthlessly ripped off the  template;  will yield . SnowFire 22:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MTGCard template. 

message: This article needs a serious rewrite from people with knowledge about the subject - --Charlesknight 23:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article requires serious rewrite 

message: Seeing as some creatures eg slivers are so popular and talked about.  Why don't we create separate articles for them?  Who here thinks we should make a sliver article? Culverin?  Talk  05:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creature articles 

message: I have begun work on articles for pro players, in accordance to guidelines on biographies for competitors. I added an infobox for us to use when adding a new player. Since the easiest source of information is the pro cards, I used similar fields as found on the back of said cards. However, there is potential for more data such as notable decks. Shadowin 16:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro Players 

message: This message is to notify you that a stub template that is associated with this WikiProjet () is up for renaming at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^=</font> 19:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SFD/R notification 

message: Ok, I've taken a hatchet to the project page, and archived the talk page.  Now that things are simpler, let's talk about other aspects of the project besides the sets.
Specifically, I think we need to set guidelines for what kind of information we want in pro players pages, as well as MTG fiction pages, such as Lim-Dûl.  Who deserves their own page, and who gets stuck in a list like Magic: The Gathering characters: L?  -- Norvy (talk) 19:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other aspects of MTG besides sets... 

message: I think we should have an article (or a section of the main article) dealing with the front of a Magic card. I think it would make sense for a person who doesn't play the game to read something that tells what each part of the card means, rather than looking at the cards and trying to process all that information at once (it is a lot). Maybe we could use  or  or  to illustrate (using Flying as a simple, understandable concept). --Insane 00:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it deserves its own article, but perhaps at Magic: The Gathering rules?  -- Norvy (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic Card 

message: Hello all. I'd like to introduce my new project, Magic: The Wiki. Magic: The Wiki is a new service for players and collectors designed to catalog as much MTG data as possible, in a single location.
The goal of the wiki is to have an article for every card, set, and general deck ideas, as well as some basic articles on the game and strategy (which overlap somewhat with the articles here, but are provided on Magic: The Wiki for completeness). I'm still fairly new to the idea of wikis, and so any guidance/comments/criticism/badmouthing will be appreciated.
Right now, since it was started only about 3 days ago, it has very little content. I'm still learning things about wiki structure and organization, and I'm trying to use that to generate templates and other functional stuff. It also has very few articles, for obvious reasons.
So yeh, that's my new project, I'm interested in what everyone else here thinks!
AbstractApproach 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic: The Wiki 

message: Why isn't there a template for boxes showing you're a member of the project? Or a userbox? Cooljeanius 23:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Talk Member Box Template 

message: I was looking at :Category:Magic: The Gathering characters and wondering why each letter seems to have entries
*MTG characters (A)
*Magic: The Gathering characters: A
I looked at the 'A's and they look very similar.  Is there a reason other than history why there are 2 articles (for each letter of the alphabet)? RJFJR 16:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above.  Unfortunately, it was a cut and paste move, so it's going to need to be repaired.  I've already asked for an admin's attention.  -- Norvy (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm working on it. Incidentally, the preferred title would be List of characters in Magic: The Gathering: A (cf. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (long lists)#Styles - preferences). Once I've merged the histories, I'll move the titles to those pages unless that causes some consternation here. Kyle Barbour 00:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Kyle Barbour 06:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  I also noticed that you seem to be missing a front page for these lists, as well as a connecting template (series box), so I created  and List of characters in Magic: The Gathering. Not necessarily the best looking at the moment, but it'll work until someone wants to pretty them up. Attached to them in :Category:Lists of characters in Magic: The Gathering, which I'll put together soon. Kyle Barbour 16:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Kyle Barbour 17:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry about the cut and paste, and nice job Kyle Deadbraincell 20:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No worries, and thank you! Kyle Barbour 08:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dup articles? 

message: Back in December I proposed a merger for three fair use templates, Template:Game-cover, Template:Boardgamecover, and Template:RPG-artwork.  I made an effort to publicise the merge on the villiage pump and various places that deal with fair use templates.  After a lot of support on tfd and a lack of opposition elsewhere I attempted the merge on January 15.  Post-merge I've had two objections, one of which said that I "should have brought up the merge with the various projects that manage those covers" (which I thought I was doing when I informed WikiProject Fair use).  The merge has been reverted by the person who said I should have brought up the merge in more places.  So here we go... IF ANYONE FROM THIS PROJECT CARES ABOUT THIS MERGE PLEASE VISIT Template_talk:Game-cover#Merge AND JOIN IN DISCUSSION THERE. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use template 

message: Ravnica just got deleted. Considering the state of that article and the others on this project, I think a lot of them will follow suit. Which sucks. Obviously we can argue, but will it do any good? (not rhetorical, please answer) - --Deadbraincell 06:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it wasn't deleted, it was temporarily redirected.  But I think the redirector had a point re: the article being poorly sourced.  We really need to hash out some fiction guidelines.  Any suggestions, please fire away.  -- Norvy (talk) 07:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ravinca