Talk:Dimebag Darrell

message: Dimebag Darrell was a known racist, and someone who is seen in videos beign a racist and was known for flying a confederate flag.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/w3d56g/dimebag_darrell_refuses_to_sign_guitar_unless_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pantera/comments/icdni5/was_dimebag_darrel_racist/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.21.9.14 (talk) 10:12, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism 

message: The date of death for Darrell Abbott was Wednesday 8 December 2004. This can be verified by dozens of news articles. Stop changing the date to 9 December 2004.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.107.254 (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Death 

message: I entered some information about the article written by William Grim and referenced it to the article hosted on www.maximummetal.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.11.82 (talk) 09:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Grim 

message: nope she sure wasnt,the were neighbors as kids and 'longtime friends'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.49.98 (talk) 19:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rita Haney

message: http://www.nbc4i.com/news/3983630/detail.html
(It's true.)
RIP
I cant believe hes dead, 
Its incredible,
We will never forget him.
I believe either bob zilla or pat lachman died with him, since they are close on stage.
Suggestions on messageboards that it's a publicity stunt, though I'm unconvinced TBH. It seems unlikely so many news agencies would be fooled
This really needs a revert. It currently contains a bio of Dave Mustaine Tom k&e 13:55, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local news story 

message: Pix have been posted on the NBC website. I don't know what restrictions are on use of these images, but here are the links:
Nathan Gale
http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1209/3984911_200X150.jpg
(this is a photo from 'myspace',if you search for 'nathan gale' this will be the 10th result,he has no friends except 'tom' and the last login is Jul 5, 2006 2:26 PM ,very doubtfull that it was/is his account since it was accessed afetr his death.know what i mean?) 
Officer James D. Niggemeyer
http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1209/3985007_200X150.jpg
Erin Halk
http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1209/3985283_200X150.jpg
TimothyPilgrim 20:28, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
: These are wire service images or digitizations and are not republishable under the Wikipedia license terms. They should not be used in the article. --Dhartung | Talk 14:07, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of those involved in the shooting 

message: Didn't a police officer shoot and kill the gunman? If so, how is his picture posted above? Something is wrong
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The police officer did shoot and kill the gunman...if you think about it, his picture was taken before that happened.
Yes, the killer was killed.  The picture was taken beforehand
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Yep, blew the motherfucker's head off!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.201.28 (talk) 03:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killer dead too? 

message: "William Grim, a conservative writer for The Iconoclast, made an article applauding Abbott's death and spoke negatively about heavy metal and its "sub-human" followers. This was immediately met with criticism, not only from the heavy metal community, but from outsiders."
I think this little editorial comment at the end is a little inappropriate, as well as unencyclopaedic. Especially considering the article in question was in fact, a satire... not the malicious document from hell that everyone seems to be making it out to be.
(1/3): Actually, I and others who've looked at the site think that the author meant what he wrote - that he was using humor to make a point AGAINST heavy metal.
look, the article is obviously a parody -- and furthermore this kind of thing wouldn't be encyclopedic information anyway... nobody looking for information on "dimebag darrell" would be enriched in any way by reading this. so i'm deleting it.--Bangadrian 03:11, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Iconoclast 

message: Musical influences are listed twice in this article Pogue 06:28, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
William Grim is obviously some sort of uneducated bafoon. Ridiculing Dimebag Darrel's death is not only immoral, but down right Disgusting! Dimebag Darrel was not only a monumental influence on heavy metal, but on all the people he touched and inspired. He was a true musician and his music will live on forever for the sole reason that he was a tremendous musician and a inspiring human being.
Anyone else remember Dime talking about Blues Saraceno as a major influence? Abbott mentioned this in a Guitar for the Practicing Musician article circa 1995. It seems like this should be included in musical influences--Dime wore a plaid patch tattoo in honor of the guy.
quote: "... and later influenced guitar idols such as Joe Satriani." What nonsense is that?? It´s wishful thinking or spin to me. This needs to be removed!!--84.203.1.127 00:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical influences 

message: I've noticed that the section on Dimebag Darrell's killing is easily the largest. This doesn't seem right to me. 
I realise there are separate pages about Pantera and Damageoplan, but I still think the page should be mostly about his life and music.
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Why ? maybe cause the shooting was a massive and hard shock for the metal community, and even if wikipedia musn't be an emotional encyclopedia, it is necessary to show how people react to learning this (really) bad news.
(sorry for my poor english, i'm working on it) [Klem] 90.5.31.134 18:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Much Focus On Killing 

message: Could someone please verify this? Thanks, --Danteferno 23:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really think it belongs. Muya 03:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicians of the Political Right stub 

message: Dean is not out of buisiness...
YEAH I HAVE ONE
* They were. 64.90.217.245 03:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dean Guitars 

message: Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath was tuning his guitar down to C# as early as 1971 when recording the 'Master of Reality' album, which gave him his doom-laden guitar sound. I don't think its fair to promote Dimebag as popularising this practice, Iommi has been far more influential than Dimebag in the rock world. Listen to 'Into the Void'- heavy as hell! Pantera covered a couple of Sabbath tracks, which highlights that band's influence.
Good point. I'm rewording it. --Rp81 17:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Tuning- too much credit given to Dimebag 

message: A Google search reveals Roger Caron to be a gun nut who actually thinks it's appropriate to bring legal firearms to metal shows.  The possibility of accident at a show as rowdy as this one is extraordinary, and most people wouldn't go to concerts (especially metal concerts, for God's sake) if other attendees were carrying.  The paragraph he (or some other bozo) included is disgusting, irrelevant, and totally wrong, and guess what I just did to it? SluggoOne 18:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roger Caron 

message: According to the external link at the bottom of the page this is incorrect, as it states;
"Gale reportedly pinned Brooks to the floor and the stage technician said that he could feel the gun pressed against head, while the attacker shouted "Don't move, don't move." " 67.5.159.173 05:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So correct it. 71.252.220.32 12:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  remaining silent throughout the shooting 

message: The article should explain how he got his nickname.  The name is somewhat confusing b/c from what I understand Darrell was neither a pothead nor a dealer.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 23:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i think hes called dimebag cuz as a kid he could only afford to buy pot ten bucks at a time (a dimebag)♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of nickname

message: I deleted a paragraph here about some of the "criticism" he recieves for not using certain technical abilities. This does strike me as appropriate Encyclopedia information to compare his technical ability to other guitarists and state random people's opinions, such as how some of his solos are "filler". This just does not belong here. I left the other stuff though like his unique tuning, because it outlines a style of guitar playing he utilized and embodies actual information rather than a bunch of random opinions. Of course, the rest of this section could be disputed as well, but that's up to the rest of you. I just deleted what I thought wasn't necessary.
:I suppose the writer had in mind, though I haven't read the piece in some time, the people that tout Dimebag as the greatest guitarist to have ever lived. Though he was a good guitarist, this is simply not true. But I don't see how it's necessary to include the idea that there were Pantera songs that had solos for the sake of having solos. That's pretty common in metal, or rock music of any kind. 68.107.196.211 18:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Abilites 

message: "According to an interview with Dino Cazares then of Fear Factory Dime told him that during the recording of Reinventing the Steel he A/B'd his guitar tone with Dino's (incidentally during the making of Fear Factory's Demanufacture Cazares A/B'd his guitar tone against that of Vulgar Display of Power)."
What does A/B'd mean? I doubt I'm the only one clueless as to what it means. BrainRotMenacer 05:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A/B'd? 

message: This section looks copied from somewhere. It states, "These and another contest prize, his first Randall Amplifier, are the 2 staples of his style and sound." Using the present tense. Also, it already has a cite needed tag on this section. Unless we can get some references for this section soon, and then tidy up the wording, I suggest we delete it. I know Dime had stated on many occasions that his Dean and Randall are his main sound, but before his death he switched to Krank amps. I have seen videos  with Dime talking and stating these facts on Youtube. If I can use these as sources, I'll make the changes myself. If we can merge this into other parts of the article, that would be much cleaner. 172.141.126.112 05:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicmanship 

message: The article says that Dimebag Darrell's name is on the Rock Walk. Well .... I don't see any sources for that, and the RockWalk.com site shows many names ... but not his!
Can anyone verify this?  Angel Of Wisdom 21:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock walk 

message: I recently discover the band "Crucified Barbara"[]
, they made a song in their first album called "I need a Cowboy from Hell" , I think there could be a link with the Pantera's fifth album "Cowboy from Hell"[]
(kind a coincidence, isn't it ?), and the album was released only few months after the shooting. I think we could add it, that's only 1 line about a tribute, not a whole "fan" paragraph. [Klem] 90.5.31.134 18:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tributes to Abbott 

message: personally in my opionoin anyone who deletes or puts false info on the page is disrespecting dimebag darrell. and a wasy it seems scott ian from anthrax pays tribute bye dyin his goatie red  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.60.122 (talk) 04:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  disrespecting the dime/with that respecting him 

message: I can understand Adrian Smith and Dave Murray (of Iron Maiden) being influential to Dime. But Janick Gers? He has only been in Maiden since 1990, by which time Pantera had released Cowboys From Hell, and his style had been pretty much established (although it changed over the next few albums, Janick could hardly be considered responsible.) Unless Dimebag was a huge Gillan fan while Janick was in the band, Janick hadn't done a whole lot of notable guitar work before joining Maiden. Is it possible that someone read that Dimebag was influenced by Iron Maiden and thought "let's just put all of the guitarists in there" without realizing it? Matt d84 (talk) 17:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Janick Gers as an influence?

message: There's a lot in VH-1's About the Music Pantera show on the attendees, party, Eddie Van Halen putting his famed guitar in the coffin, etc. This could be added to the article, if someone has the tape or more details. 70.124.89.184 (talk) 00:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Funeral and burial 

message: Unless I'm missing something, the "Death" section doesn't actually say that Niggemeyer's shots proved fatal. Maybe that's obvious to people who know the situation, or who know guns, but a lot of readers won't.
(Incidentally, also in that section, in the absence of mind-reading how do we know that Gale didn't see Niggemeyer? Surely the best we can say is that he didn't react as though he had.) 81.158.2.229 (talk) 23:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  It doesn't explicitly say that Gale was killed 

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message: How is Hatebreed's Last Breath a tribute song when it was written seven years before he died? 75.179.3.77 (talk) 04:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribute songs. 

message: His Birthdate is August 20th. I have visited the gravesite at Moore Funeral Home in Arlington to confirm this. Someone please change it to the correct date.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zammy63 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. Some people seem to find it funny changing dates around, but it has been fixed now. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 23:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Date 

message: The January 2010 issue of Revolver Magazine is loaded with interviews from the remaining band members of Pantera on Dimebag and creating Vulgar Display Of Power. It also comes loaded with Pantera memorabilia and rare photos from the Pantera vault.
Am I the only one who thinks this passage, with the repeated use of "loaded," sounds more like an ad for the magazine than an objective encyclopedia description?  Jaltcoh (talk) 02:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2010 issue of Revolver Magazine 

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thread_title: File:Dimbag Abbott .jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: I'm not the expert but I thought he simply auditioned for the band and was not formally invited as a member.  Could someone maybe come up with a citation for that?  UselessToRemain (talk) 12:46, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megadeth - was he invited or did he just audition? 

message: This is placed right after the article mentions that Gale was met shotgun pellets: "Two fans administered CPR until paramedics arrived, but were unable to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene."
I think this is a bad place to mention this. Who were the fans adminerstering CPR on? Darrell or others? I doubt they would do CPR on Gale but again this sentence is said right after it mentions his face getting shot. Heyfunboy (talk) 04:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad place to put this sentence.... 

message: I have re-added the fact that this shooting happened on the same day as John Lennon's, but in 2004.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.214.63 (talk) 05:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry my mistake it was either John Lennon's birthday or assassination.  John Lennon's assassination is December 2nd, his birthday was December 8th.  Just the John Lennon note of significance re-added please can we have a vote or at least a small talk about this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.214.63 (talk) 23:52, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Lennon 

message: This dispute has NRA written all over it. Here you go. http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/120109-Ohio-police-release-report-on-chaotic-concert-murder/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.202.209.64 (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rounds of ammunition citation 

message: reverted my edits claiming that the February 28, 2015 grave vandalism is a hoax.  This incident has been published on several reputable news sites.  Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You wrote into the article that you know it's been declared a hoax, after having co-hoaxed everyone, which is part of exactly why Wikipedia is not a news site.  In addition to the fact that this would have been a factoid at best, and totally irrelevant to the subject's notability, and hence unencyclopedic.  And you ignored the fact that I just cited WP:NOTNEWS.  Everything about this was incorrect.  You should understand basic policy and encyclopedic concepts before making decisions, as several people have tried to tell you on your Talk page. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 23:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole point is that there weren't events.  It's all a hoax. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 23:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, even a hoax itself is an "event" of sorts. Anyways, what I was presenting was merely a best case scenario for Jax's content, a sentence mention if it really turned out to be this big media story. I ultimately don't think it should be included at all, at either article. Sergecross73 msg me 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 grave vandalism 

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message: Should we mention that his second-cousin is David Murray, who is better known as The 8-Bit Guy?  He mentions this in one of his videos (specifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJmhM3-uq4Y around the 4:25 mark)... RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 04:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives 

message: I get the desire to redirect searches for Dimebag here.  But shouldn't there also be a wikipedia entry for what a dimebag is (other than a link to the Wiki for the American's episode titled Dimebag).  A Dimebag was a $10 bag of pot. Not sure such a thing really exists any more, but it was basically when we as teenagers would mostly buy growing up in the 80s.  Scape $10 together and buy a dimebag.  That amount, in 1985, adjusted for inflation now would be about $25.  Which is what we paid for a 1/4 bag then. a $25 bag of pot.  Basically twice the size. But at the time we were teenagers and didn't get scales and weights.  Once we did, (in the late 80s/early 90s) a dimebag remained a small bag of pot, good enough for a couple of joints and to get you through a concert) but a 1/4 bag became a 1/4 ounce, ie: 7 grams.  Price seemed to go up and they started selling.  But the Dimebag was always a small bag of pot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countertop (talk • contribs) 18:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimebag and redirection 

message: Hi , you have made the same changes to the article without explanation twice. (At first, simply restoring your own month-old revision of the article with Twinkle.) This is WP:Edit warring, and should be avoided. Can you give an explanation for the changes you are proposing? Hrodvarsson (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, most of them are just copyedits though..? And a deletion of a citation which is trivial and not really necessary. FMSky (talk) 19:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most of the original edits were copy edits that were reverted when you restored an old version of the article, yes. You then removed "songwriter" from the article without explanation; this is not a copy edit. You need to provide a reason why that description should be removed. You also re-added a redundant template which I removed with an explanation last month. You should give a reason why that template should be there, or undo your own reversion of that edit. Hrodvarsson (talk) 19:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained changes 

message: The article has long described Darrell's first guitar as a Hondo. 194.125.37.215 recently changed it to Hohner. I edited to remove all mention of the brand name, as the cited source does not appear to mention any. For the record, I'm looking at the Google Books preview of Black Tooth Grin. On page 10, I see . No mention of Hondo or Hohner here, or anywhere in the book if Google's "Search in this Book" can be believed. Firefangledfeathers 19:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First guitar