Talk:Tarot of Marseilles

message: :The arcanes of Tarot of Marseilles are near from antic egyptian tarot. gypsies (meaning coming from Egypt), spread it around Mediteranean sea. The gypsies originated from India, then it could come from India as another gypsy art : circus.
This needs references before it is added again.
--Error 01:19, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: Why do these card images all seem to have copyright warnings in them? They're too small to read, but along the upper end of the left border of each card is something that looks like a copyright notice. Not a good sign.
Has whoever added these images checked that they're actually old cards (with original colourings)? If not, we're likely infringing someone's copyright. There are a number of decks that either use old Marseilles Tarot linework with altered colouring (which is a sufficient change to allow a modern copyright on the images) or else use modern images drawn in the style of the old Marseilles cards.
The source information given for these images is rather scanty and hardly reassuring. We need better information on where these images originate and why we can treat them as being in the public domain. Otherwise they need to be deleted. Thanks for your help. Fuzzypeg★ 00:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A little more research reveals that this deck is the Tarot of Marseilles published since 1970 by the French company Grimaud. Grimaud have cleaned up the images from the original woodcuts printed in primary red, yellow and blue. That little copyright notice probably says "© Grimaud 1970". Start looking for new images, guys! Fuzzypeg★ 05:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think cleaning up public-domain images does not make copyrightable images.  Am I right? Dicklyon (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright infringement? 

message: The article text conflicts with La Papessa#Manfreda. -- 88.112.53.195 (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papessa 

message: Shouldn't that be Les Amoureux and La Maison-Dieu? —Tamfang (talk) 03:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammar 

message: Tarot cards contain pictures that are full of symbols. Although symbols may change their significance over time, the clothes of the people in the Tarot de Marseille to date the images to southern Europe in the early fifteenth century. This suggests that the designs of the woodblocks that created the cards are significantly older than the oldest extant cards. It is unsurprising that the wood blocks would survive rather longer than the prints they originally made, and the missing top and bottom of each card suggests that the ends of the blocks became worn or even rotten before the printing of the deck that survived at the Grimaud company.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody has researched the original purpose of the cards very deeply, although many writers refer to the popularity of various devices for improving retention. Carruthers and Ziolkowski (The Medieval Craft of Memory, 2002) emphasize that retention was seen as the basis of creation. Much of what is known of this period and topic relates to those people who could read (a rapidly burgeoning group throughout the period) even if they were not always able to write, for lack of skill or materials. However, people who could neither read nor write would face an equally pressing need, perhaps a more pressing need, for memory development. The use of symbols to improve recall is a well-documented phenomenon. Tarot cards as a tool for illiterates seems a very plausible theory of their origin.Grae Baker (talk) 05:47, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediaeval Symbolism 

message: Does anyone have a copy of  this ref they can share?  Depaulis, Thierry (2013). "The Tarot de Marseille – Facts and Fallacies part I". The Playing-Card. 42 (1): 23–43.  Dicklyon (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking source 

message: Just checked the name of this card and its correct name appears to be Le Bateleur - this is often written on the card itself - and in English either "The Mountebank" (see Dummett (1980), p. 108) or "The Juggler" (see the International Playing Card Pattern Sheet for this card pack). The pack emerged in the 17th century probably in Lyon, but AFAICS the name "Magician" was not coined until Etteilla the occultist used it for the  Tarot 15 of his bespoke Egyptian pack around 1845. This lines up with the cited table in the Major Arcana article. It may well be that occultists who use this pack call it the Magician, but that is back-borrowing and not its original or correct name. Bermicourt (talk) 19:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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