Talk:Alfonso X of Castile

message: His wisdom was of "sulphuric quality"? What the hell does that mean?
:Was wondering that myself.  "Sulphuric" would seem to indicate that it reeked of brimstone — as  in traditional descriptions of Hell — which nothing else in the article seems to suggest.  Smerdis of Tlön 15:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing because sulphur smells like crap, it means that he had crappy wisdom. The article does kinda describe him as eccentric. After all, he could be learned but not wise at all.-Alex, 12.220.157.93 08:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's no longer in the article. Kotabatubara (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If that line was a direct translation from Spanish, "sulfúrico/a" denotes irascibility. Still it would make much more sense if it was paired with personality rather than wisdom.--Escorxador (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Sulphuric wisdom?

message: So, did this motherfucker have a father? What's up? --Sean Gray 04:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget it. His father was Ferdinand III. I'll add that in now. --Sean Gray 04:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Father?

message: Blackmore's Night performs a song titled "Fires at Midnight" (on the album of the same name) and introduce it on a live album (Past Times and Good Company) by saying the song was written by Alfonso X.  Not sure if that's enough of a cite to merit inclusion.  Aapold 06:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Song

message: Image of Christian and Muslim playing ouds, miniature from Catinas de Santa Maria by king Alfonso X. Feel free to insert this image into the article. Phg (talk) 20:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Love this picture!  This is just a small point, but these instruments are long-necked lutes;  ouds are short-necked. Eulogius2 (talk) 21:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   In my eyes, Prim Tambura in Hungary looks like a similar appearance. However, I can't yet found any sources associating two instruments. --Clusternote (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian and Muslim playing ouds

message: Hello all, I'm just wondering why the Sephardic song is included under "links".  I think it's unrelated, and the claim the website makes about the text being from Alfonso's time is unsubstantiated...Should it be removed? Eulogius2 (talk) 21:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuando el Rey Nimrod

message: The first paragraph of this page states that one of Alfonso's nicknames was "el Astrólogo", which is translated as "the Astronomer". It really means "the Astrologer" (obviously).Lily20 (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  el Astrólogo 

message: In the "Military Training" section it says: "In 1321 Alfonso traveled with Pérez de Castron on a military campaign in lower Andalusia.". His year of death is listed as 1284. What gives?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.176.151.8 (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone switched the number instead of 1231 they typed 1321. I corrected it. Nice catch. Thanks.--Kansas Bear (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was interested in the military after death? 

message: The Spanish article is at the equivalent namespace but doesn't seem supported by any of its sources, which use "Alfonso X the Wise" or "Alfonso X of Castile and Leon".
This name certainly seems wrong: He was the 9th or 10th Alfonso of Leon and the 4th or 5th Alfonso of Castile, depending on whether or not you count Alfonso I of Aragon as a Leonnese and Castilian king. For some reason, we count Alfonso VII of León as if the king of Aragon doesn't count, then skip "VIII" to get to Alfonso IX of León and this guy, who are both numbered as if the Aragonese king did count.
I know things get murky because of the way Spanish monarchs played musical chairs with their kingdoms: "Alfonso I", "II", and "III" of Leon were actually kings of Asturias who got grandfathered in when the Leonnese kingdom started up. The 9th edition of the Britannica numbered the Castilian "Alphonses" separately; the 11th edition, which I guess is what we're following, lumps in Galicia, Leon, and Castile as "Spanish" kings, ignores Alfonso of Aragon, but then adds a Castilian king into the Leonnese list.
This might be the accepted way to do all this, given how the modern Spanish monarchs have numbered themselves, but without a move to Alfonso X of Leon and Castile we should at least have a name section to help clarify what's going on. — LlywelynII 01:00, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Alfonso X of Castile is correct as it is, and this is the name used in some of the books used as sources.  Would not consider Alfonso I of Aragón as king of León or Castile, in any case, a consort since it was his wife Urraca who was queen regnant. Maragm (talk) 13:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

text: The numbering is conventional, lumping all of the constituent kingdoms in the Crown of Castile together while using different numbering for Navarre/Pamplona and Aragon.  Whether we like it or not we are stuck with it, even though it doesn't make sense for any specific kingdom, it doesn't include Alfonso of Aragon (whose claim is debatable), plus we now know of two additional kings, Alfonso Fruelaz and Sancho Ordonez, overlooked when this standard numbering was devised who are not accounted for.  Because of the overwhelming use of this convention, when you say Alfonso X there is no question that it is this man to whom you refer.  As to his description, that comes down to a combination of usage inside and outside of Wikipedia.  As a general rule, Wikipedia uses 'Name # of Place' for kings, with only rare exceptions that use nicknames. Even someone as well known as Richard the Lionheart is still called Richard I of England, so we go with the standard 'Name # of Place' here too.  That only leaves the question of what place.  By the reign of Alfonso X, we are no longer talking about the Kingdoms of Castile and Leon and Galicia, but what came to be referred to as the Crown of Castile, and hence Alfonso X of Castile is the simple, accurate way of referring to this monarch. Agricolae (talk) 16:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: One mention of the Cantigas is followed by "XII A.C."  What does this mean?  It can't be the 12th century before Christ. Kotabatubara (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: XII A.C.

message: I just edited a sentence to make clearer the apparent division of opinion about his qualities as a practical ruler. On the whole though I'd say the detail presented in this section needs more citations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:19AF:51C:63CD:347F (talk) 00:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil War section 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alfonso X of Castile →  – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCROY. 49.150.12.134 (talk) 05:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 December 2023 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Alfonso VII of León and Castile which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 14:34, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The main article says he was “king… from 30 May 1252 until his death in 1284,” yet the infobox says from June 1, 1252, which is two days after. As the Alfonsine tables created in his honor mention June 1, this should be the right date. Consequently, I’m changing the main article to reflect the infobox.
CielProfond (talk) 11:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of accession to the throne