Talk:DB Cargo UK

message: I don't really know what to do - I think a new article is what is needed, I suppose a lot could be copied over....
Any suggestions please.
===Train image - Red===
DB Schenker train image - anyone got any more - it would be usedful - like the photo - but the fisheye effect is a bit much.Carrolljon (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ThanksCarrolljon (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: DB Schenker

message: DB Schenker train image - anyone got any more - it would be usedful - like the photo - but the fisheye effect is a bit much.Carrolljon (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ThanksCarrolljon (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: If anyone can, it would be nice if the history section could be expanded a bit - to cover briefly the period between creation and sale to DB. Thanks.Carrolljon (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The section containing locomotives inherited from british rail now includes all loco's including those, such as the 66 and 67 that were introduced after the creation of EWS.  I have altered the headings and reshuffled the list.  Are there any objections to this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.143.82.208 (talk) 16:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the european fleet doesn't work for EWS, it works for Euro Cargo Rail a separate company.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FengRail (talk • contribs) 13:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Traction and rolling stock" section is marked for expansion. Is the intention to include wagons as well as locomotives? If so, I suggest the format be changed from a huge table with pictures to a simple list with links to relevant pages. Biscuittin (talk) 12:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locomotive details 

message: Since 1st Jan 2009 the company has been renamed DB Schenker Rail (UK) Ltd.
Any new information about activities post this date should probably go in the new article therefor...FengRail (talk) 22:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New article

message: There really needs to be a SEPARATE page for English Welsh & Scottish Rwy. These are two separate companies and thus need two separate pages, for an example check out Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway, Burlington Northern Railway & BNSF Railway.--The Navigators (talk)-May British Rail Rest in Peace. 05:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This has bugged me since I noticed it happened. What happened to the English Welsh & Scottish Rwy. page? Was it deleted, the DB Schenker Rail (UK) page copied over it, or were all links to EWS redirected? Removing that page is removing a little over a decade of UK railroading history,, this is one of the few companies to survive from British Rail's fall, to up till recently.--The Navigators (talk)-May British Rail Rest in Peace.  08:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The EWS article was moved to this name. My understanding was that EWS and DB Schenker Rail are not separate. DB bought EWS and later renamed the company to DB Schenker Rail. I thought this was just a rebranding exercise to bring DB's EWS subsidiary inline with their corporate brand. As such EWS still survives just under a new name, and part of DB Schenker Rail (UK)'s history is the history of the company under the previous name, EWS. The other major problem was the massive amount of unsourced content in the EWS article. When you stripped much of that out there wasn't a lot left so it didn't seem to make sense to keep a separate article when all that had changed was the name. Adambro (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some references but more are needed. Biscuittin (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate page 

message: but I don't have any cited sources (other than the obvious, [i.e. that EWS used class 60 because there are Class 60s in their livery), So Anyone feel free to make corrections, I had to trim a few of the longer ones because the original set up was a list, so a few of the bigger descriptions didn't fit real well.--The Navigators (talk)-May British Rail Rest in Peace. 01:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: R-added the original Traction details

message: why was this "a" in - I couldn't find any explanation?83.100.138.149 (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: small a

message: Just noted it said Class 09-26mph...It was close but they go at 27.5. Just thought I'd make that clear :) Tpxpress (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Class 09

message: The use of the 'EWS' and 'DB Schenker' is correct.
Anything to happen (such as withdrawn stock and acquiring stock) before 2009, was under EWS, or English, Welsh, and Scottish Railways.
Anything After 2009, was under DB Schenker.
--The Navigators (talk)-May British Rail Rest in Peace. 02:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Traction and rolling stock */ Removed Cleanup notice. 

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==Traction and rolling stock==




Image 	Class	Usage                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            	Number in use
      	08   	Used for shunting and minor freight work. Limited to 15 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	numerous
      	09   	Used for shunting similar to Class 08 but with a higher top speed of 27 1/2mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	numerous
100px|	31   	Used for light freight traffic and departmental traffic withdrawn 2001.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	0
      	33   	Used on southern region and in Scotland withdrawn from traffic in 2001.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	0
      	37   	Were used for almost all workings. Most have been withdrawn and stored/sold by 2004, although a small fleet is to be retained for specific duties. All sold to DRS. Limited to 80 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           	0
      	47   	Were used for almost all workings. Most have been withdrawn and stored/sold by 2004.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	0
      	56   	Were used for almost all workings. Most have been withdrawn and stored/sold by 2006.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	0
100px|	58   	Built for use on heavy coal trains but got moved onto lighter work before the class was withdrawn in 2002.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	0
      	59   	Used for aggregate transportation from quarries in the West Country. Some Class 59s have been seen on railtours around Yorkshire. Limited to 75 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	6
      	60   	Used for slow coal transport like to Fiddler's Ferry in Widnes, Cheshire. They are also seen on some heavy haul coal and aggregate services. 2 examples(011 and 007 converted to "Super 60s" Limited to 60 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	100 (some in store)
      	66   	Used for almost all workings. They are currently used on most heavy haul workings and certain railtours.Some since exported/prepared for use to Franc/Poland Limited to 75 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	187 (66001-009/011-025/027/030/031/033-037/039-041/043/044/046-048/050/051/053-061/063/065-070/074-122/124-162/164-177/181-188/191-194/197-201/204/206/207/213/221/230/232/238/250)
      	67   	DB Schenker's fastest locomotives, with a max speeds of 125 mph, four (67004/007/009 & 011) however are limited to 80 mph due to brake modifications for hauling the ScotRail Sleepers north of Edinburgh. These locos are solely operated by DBS. Locomotives 67005 and 67006 also operate the 'Royal Train'. They also are used for freight and weed-killing trains. They have a high axle-load, and are subject to severe speed restrictions in some areas. Also in use by Chiltern Railways hauling Mk3 coaches and a DVT between London Marylebone and Birmingham Snow Hill.	30
      	73   	Electro-Diesel locomotives used mainly on Southern Region. Withdrawn from traffic in 2002                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	0
100px 	86   	Were used for almost all workings. They were mainly used on mail and on certain railtours. Class was withdrawn from service with EWS in 2004. Limited to 100 mph.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	0
      	87   	EWS inherited one off 87/1 number 87101. Used mainly on intermodal work. Withdrawn in 1999.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	0
100px|	90   	EWS's Bo-Bo mixed-traffic electric locomotives has a max speed of 110 mph, although apart from occasional railtours on the West and East Coast Main Lines or on loans to 'Virgin Trains' they usually operate at 75-80 mph. They are used all over the country for freight work on electrified lines. Some examples put up for sale. Their most notable passenger operation is the First ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper between London Euston and Scotland on the WCML where the trains are formed of sixteen coaches - the longest passenger train length in the UK.               	12
      	92   	Built for use in Europe as well as the UK, they've never left the Chunnel. They are very capable of hauling heavy loads and reliable. One has been seen pulling a coal train consisting of two Class 66s, a Class 60 and a Class 67. This locomotive can be used on 25 kV AC overhead lines and also DC 3rd rail lines due to its dual voltage system. Limited to 90 mph (75 mph on freight trains).                                                                                                                                                                             	10
      	325  	Used for Warrington/Wembley-Sheildmuir postal services                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           	16

There are a couple of issues here:
*The 'legacy' unit like the class 31s that didn't last long probably should be covered in a paragraph .
*The locomotives introduced eg 66 67 could have more info - but the bulk of the material should be in their own articles.
*Locomotives like the 56 58 which lasted longer and went on to be sold elsewhere need this mentioning, but again - most info should be in their own articles.
Primaryly the locomotive's own articles need improving, so that relevent sources and info can be used here. A gallery of every single locomotive ever owned by EWS is almost certainly not necessary. The coverage here should almost certainly be sentences with links to the relavent loco articles. No more than 3 paragraphs I would guess.
The second point is equally important:
*Needs info on wagons - in particular the HTA coal wagons, the covered steel wagons etc introduced should have just as much about them.
All this needs to be verifyable too WP:VERIFY. A livery gallery is likely reasonable, but not a huge table.Imgaril (talk) 23:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Traction and rolling stock

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message: Sort of things a "fleet list" should cover:
#History - from foundation onwards
#An overview of units at formation (or disestablishment) is probably a good idea
#Dates of introduction or removal of major classes
#Significant non-motive power lists - eg in this case - wagons
#Expanations of reasons behind changes in fleet
#Other possibilities = major/long term contracts (not minor spot hire, but be cautious if a proper overview cannot be made)
The current list just covers the present, the loco number lists are probably too detailed - essentially trivia. It seems to be based entirely on http://www.abrail.co.uk/diesellocodetail.htm - so why not just link to that in external links? - It seems a waste of time to duplicate it, and then discard info everytime it changes.Prof.Haddock (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , while a fleet list is valid it should be done at a point in time and state so, i.e. As at August 2014 the fleet comprised of...., from a valid source. It can then updated periodically maybe every 6 months or so, but not every time a locomotive enters or leaves traffic. Bbjet (talk) 09:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: Do we really need this section?
* It is unreferenced
* These aren't engines owned by DB, or on long-term lease.  It's just a list of steam engines that DB could hire.
* Note that two of these - the LNER Class P2 replicas, haven't been built yet.
* It looks like WP:LISTCRUFT.
This is clearly not part of DBS's core business.  Should this section be tidied up?  How?  Maybe removed entirely? Tony May (talk) 07:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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