Talk:Al-Masih ad-Dajjal

message: The name is Arabic derived and it should be spelled as Al-Dajjal and not Ad-Dajjal. Ad-Dajjal is an absolute wrong pronunciation for the name. The name in Arabic is الدجال , first letters are A and L which compares to "The" in English. Then دجال  which consist of D, G, A, L. Pronounced Dajjal. The first A and L would make it equivalent to "The Dajjal" , the Arabic equivalent of Al-Dajjal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.39.159 (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: @99.224.39.159 sorry to interrupt but the deceiver is a slaughter, doesnt have passion saving other. they like to be boasting or proudfull but never take critism, back to hadith and yesaya .. also quran and sutra kali yuga QuaMbear (talk) 10:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of the name is incorrect 

message: Should be unified throughout the article. Either dajjal or daǧǧāl, the latter is preferable. Especially the eschatology section is a mess. Mistakes include grammar "ḥadīth ... give". Ḥadīth is singular, so *gives* or use the plural, either anglicized as ḥadīths or Arabic aḥadīth. Length is sometimes indicated as in nūrī, sometimes not as in kafir read kāfir etc.--Simha (talk) 13:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: it is written in the article: between syria and iraq. the place is sometimes named as sebbiah (or equal). more information needed to add to article, please help!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.222.136.15 (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: not true, some of his followers are Jews from Isfahan as mentioned in the hadith, please don't write before you have checked your sources and please give proof for your statement. --Şahrazade (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  place where ad-dajjal will appear? 

message: I have given the reference of Ahmadiyya beliefs. Admins. see the reference please don' the edit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk • contribs) 12:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: shias do not believe the dajjal will kill madhi, leave it blank i dont know what they believe but I am sure it is not that  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambelland (talk • contribs) 22:36, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: shia

message: There is a big problem..after every 2 to 3 months, the signs of Dajjal are being changed by some people, there should be some reference to these signs other wise I suggest the senior users to remove them as after years these "fake" signs would become true.. HunterZone (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Signs

message: I have taken down Ahmadiyya belief from this page, this page represents the Islamic View Of False Masih where as Ahamdi's are declared as non muslims in Pakistan this is the state from where ahamdiyya's originated see Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad and Ahmadiyya. Please refain from adding this section back. Best way to represent Ahamdi's point of view is to create a new page with Ahamdi belief. I removed ahamdis view as par WP:MOSISLAM. Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virgininfatuation (talk • contribs) 10:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the Government of Pakistan has declared that the Ahmadiyya are not Muslim has nothing to do with Wikipedia. We are not bound by their dictates. The Ahmadiyya say they are Muslim and Wikipedia reflects that. Also there is nothing in WP:MOSISLAM that suggests removing their views from any article. In fact Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi and Ahmadiyya Islam states the an Islamic sect. Also if you had read the guideline properly you would have seen that adding Peace Be Upon Him is incorrect. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 19:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmadiyya Belief

message: The comic book series Supergod includes a character named Dajjal, based on this idea. Perhaps this should be included? ComicVine Reference 198.255.175.17 (talk) 19:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: (This article is about an evil-person that only Muslims believe...)* From the Christian perspective your Mahdi is identical to our antichrist. Your version of Jesus is identical to our false prophet, and most importantly Isa son of Mary comes holding on to the wings of two fallen angels, NOT RIDING A WHITE HORSE DESTROYING FILTH.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.213.70 (talk) 06:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warren Ellis' Supergod 

message: he will be red im complexion,short,one eyed,with thick curly hair,pigeon toed,hunch backed,with a large forehead — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.157.0.5 (talk • contribs) 
:Please cite a reliable source for new statements. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of ad Dajjaal

message: I feel like there should first be a section just sumerizing what The Koran says about him before getting into the Hadiths and stuff.--JaredMithrandir (talk) 14:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no Koran section because the Dajjal is not mentioned in the Koran.
--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:03, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: hadith maybe... after 4th trial QuaMbear (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Koran section??? 

message: I hate to be a grammar nazi; but if the grammar is so warped that I can't figure out what is being said, then the passage has to be deleted. So I deleted this, from the lede: "He will be an anti-messiah figure, Muslims consider him to be the Antichrist, and to Armilus, in Christian and medieval Jewish eschatology, respectively." He will what to Armilus?
MrDemeanour (talk) 12:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: Hi the root of Dajjal is دجل (d-j-l) not da-j-l as written. Arabic roots most commonly are three radicals or sometimes four, but for sure not in this case. Just x-out the a please, the article is blocked unfortunately  --Şahrazade (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof: Hans Wehr I, p. 272  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Şahrazade (talk • contribs) 16:37, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Root of Dajjal 

message: Just read the second sentence:
 He has only one eye kafir is written on his head Dictionary of World Religions, Al-Dajjāl, p. 43.</ref>
First of all, that's two unfinished, completely different sentences put together; and second of all, the reference is not an actual reference with a little number you can click on, it's just the name of the source, the page number, and "</ref>". I looked through the revision history, and nobody vandalized it or accidentally deleted a part of it, that's exactly how it was written in the first place! I'm no good at doing references on Wikipedia so I can't fix it myself, but hopefully someone can.
--Annoyedhumanoid (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the sentence. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the first paragraph?? 

message: Dear Colleague,
Title Revision Needed, the meaning of dajjal and anti christ is the same deceiveful and liar, also the false phrophet in the end of times, they will come out with some sign like red blood moons, for false phrophet deceive some people in Matthew 7:15“Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves the false phrophet use their miracle created from 3 evil frog spirit 
Then 1  I saw three unclean spirits 2  that looked like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
i hope this will clear the main title for the god sake, ^^ i believe the word should be false messiah Dajjal or Anti Christ Dajjal
i wanted to help you with the content about al masih, dajjal is not al masih he is false messiah. i suppose the one think for sure is false messiah the al masih title is only for one and only for "isa" al masih or Jesus Christ. 
i hope you can change the al masih title from "al masih ad dajjal" thats not the correct meaning kinda miss leading. and thanks for change the picture regard's
Daniel 8
about the anti christ, daniel got the vision mentioning about the anti christ. 
False Prophet 
The deceiver false prophet.
Dajjal doesnt mention in quran but i believe he / she and the follower doesnt believe about the holy bible gave from god messenger torah, zabur, gospel and quran he also a disbelieve in allah الله ( adonai ) and all the prohet, in this time today god has send us plague as in the bible Psalms 91:6 Luke 21:11 and quran Al kahfi ( adonai send his messenger and trial to all mankind ) to warn the mankind neglect and reject the 7 sin "lust, Conscious ( mind "suudzon" ) not gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride" also the 8 sin "our word as the 8 deadliest sin Matthew 15:11 our word is the fatal one like 2 headed sword. also dajjal cant read and understand holy bible also koran and he doesnt believe end of time and judgement day,
also dajjal want to be worship also famous and wanna be equal as adonai ( الله )
https://alkitab.sabda.org/verse.php?book=42&chapter=21&verse=11 
https://alkitab.sabda.org/verse.php?book=42&chapter=21&verse=8 He 1  said, “Watch out  that you are not misled. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ 3  and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them! "because they will got trial from god himself and prophet adonai ( الله ) so in the time like this we must watch out for the false prophet. and keep guidance from the holy book
God Bless   — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuaMbear (talk • contribs) 17:39, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dajjal & Isa Al masih 

message: :I'm a newbie and I think that this issue requires some attention which is why I have raised it in this talk page. A certain user named User:Blessedby14 has been making massive additions to various parts of the article with the only reference being different pages of the site  Al Islam - The Official Website of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. While the spirit of wanting to improve the article is appreciable, I don't think this is reflected in the reliability of the information. For example, the user has made an addition to the Eschatology section by adding the beliefs of the Shia but not from any Shi'i sources but rather from  Al Islam - The Official Website of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community which may at best be a good source from the Ahmadiyya side of things. What should the course of action be? -- Southeastasian.little.abdullah (talk) 06:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of massive amounts of info with the only reference being www.alislam.org 

message: Why was the whole article referring to Hadith was removed? Without mentioning Hadiths, how would you suffice that the following topic exists in Islam? Also
this whole page is build on the basis of Islamic perspective. Prince khan official (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because of this: Sorry, when I mislinked it in my edit summary. WP:OR Please also read the other following guidlines and why Wikipedia does not favor any religion and for the sake of neutrality, religious sources can not be used for verification: MOS:ISLAM WP:ISLAM. Remember what Wikipedia is Neutral, this means, we do not have special rules for each project and do not promote specific religious ideas. The existence of a Quranic verse or a hadith, does neither prove that Muslims believe, nor does it say anything about historicity. Further, the primary language here is English. Other languages should only be used if the source is not available in English. Remember, we do not do our own research about a certain topic, we just bring together what reseachers, academics scientists found out. We are not the researches ourselves, though many Wikipedians might also be academics. But this is coincidence, when. I saw you readded your content. Please make sure, it is in accordance with the guidlines I sent to your, otherwise, it might be objected and removed again.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 01:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Hadith sources 

message: Al masih or mesias is title for messiah, for this title i will say about not reliable dajjal and false mesiah not al masih, please change the title because its miss leading..
what if under age kid who doesn't understand about holy book and find miss leading text, it should be change. because it can be missleading and hurt for the believer. god bless
19:17
فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًا سَوِيًّا
And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel [i.e., Gabriel], and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
— Saheeh International
if you gave the wrong intepretion for al masih and equal as ad dajjal, the message is clear false messiah is not al masih ( jesus ) son of mary, please dont use the title equal to dajjal
regards
QuaMbear
:Hello there, dear QuaMbear. I think you will find it interesting to note that the title is not al-Masih but rather al-Masih ad-Dajjal in order to convey the meaning as described in the article - which does not mean the Messiah but rather the fake, deceiver Messiah which is Dajjal. The two are clearly differentiated between in the ahadis and are not being made equal to each other. In order to address your concern regarding possible confusions, which I am sympathetic to as well, there is a system of adding a warning notice at the top of the article which tells people that the article is not to be confused with al-Masih (the Messiah). Perhaps someone more experienced will take note of this and implement such a warning. - Sultan.abdullah.hindi (talk) 09:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A warning has been added in order to address this issue. - Sultan.abdullah.hindi (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Dear  I think that you are misunderstanding this matter. ABC is not the same as ABD. As I have attempted to explain before, the term Dajjal implies a meaning similar to 'a great deceiver'. In arabi, it can be used for charlatan and deceiving people as well and not just al-Masih ad-Dajjal. The title al-Masih ad-Dajjal is not about al-Masih 'Isa ibn Maryam 'alaihis-salam but it is used to denote that this being will be a deceiver messiah who will claim to be the actual messiah first and then later on, he will claim to be God. Al-Masih is not a proper noun only to be used for 'Isa 'alaihis-salam. There is nothing to be worried about. Kindly read through the first parts of the article for a better explanation. Best regards - Sultan.abdullah.hindi (talk) 07:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Good day, does the title from allah ? or from god and goddeses from pit hole ? the title in what description ? please it hurts me as human kind QuaMbear (talk) 15:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title miss leading, al masih is a title for saviour.

message: Dear User:VenusFeuerFalle, I have introduced this new section in order to discuss the recent reversion of an an edit of mine by yourself.
You said: We can not use a Q&A webpage as a source, since every Muslim scholar can interpretate a hadith differently. ALso, it seems not, that Dajjal and Isa are easily confused, just because the term "Masih" appears within the title. 
Even though I did attach a note to the re-reversion, I would like to elaborate on my points here. It is simply not any Q and A page but rather one by a scholar of Islam and scholarly opinions in Islam is not subject to such a degree of whim  that it can be interpreted differently by every scholar. It is limited by the evidence, the actions of the first three generations on the evidence, the principles of scholarly assessment, the rules of linguistics, the chains of transmission and the license to transmit. I see that answer to be a wholistic assessment that builds on the past in the sense that it takes the opinions of many scholars of the past and produces a condensed clear-cut summary. One can argue about the subjectivity in the interpretation for any literary text in the world but that alone cannot change academic establishments. Also, regarding the second part of the matter, we must remember that wikipedia has users of various age ranges incl. kids who could confuse The Messiah or al-Masih with al-Masih ad-Dajjal. I hope that you will sympathize with at least this last part that we must consider the variety of users and their age range.
Regards, Sultan.abdullah.hindi (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  " It is simply not any Q and A page but rather one by a scholar of Islam and scholarly opinions in Islam is not subject to such a degree of whim that it can be interpreted differently by every scholar. It is limited by the evidence, the actions of the first three generations on the evidence, the principles of scholarly assessment, the rules of linguistics, the chains of transmission and the license to trasmit." It is methodically impossible to equal a 1400 years old tradition and every researcher on Islamic studies will probably agree with that. The idea of "following the first generations of Muslims" is ideologically motivated and refererred to as (in socialogically studies) Salafism. Similarities among such decrees provided by various Shaikhs around the internet are not due to a unequivocally and reliable method, but because of their ideological motivation. This is proven by the fact, whose scholars often contradict much of the exegetical nature, methods and results of earlier scholars. Such deviate views are especially prevailent among the supernatural and spiritual, the Dajjal included. I am not even saying this scholar is wrong, he might even be correct and have been more carefully in his exegesis than most of the other scholars on the internet, but this is our own subjective opinnion. We can not let such subjective judgments rule out, which scholars we trust and which not. Sources for religious ideas, should never be supported by a religious scholar themselves. An Evangelical preacher for example, should not be cited in exegetical matters for the Old Testament (the results will be arbitary). I sincery hope, you find someone who has done research about this interpretation, and can cite him. If your sources is authentic and imbedded within Muslim Tradition as much as you said, there will probably an author who has written about Muslim Eschatology, who mentions this. WIth best regards,--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

text: the main is in hadith and quran also bible.. in some ways cant be main truth because its sealed by the prophet... because the deceitfull cant understand the meaning... read hadith in end of time era... god bless QuaMbear (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding a recent reversion of edits made to the article 

message: do I understand it correctly that in this edit summary you are saying that it's debatable whether Isa ibn Maryam is the same figure as Jesus of Nazareth? If so, then you would be very wrong. At least among scholars, there is absolutely no debate about that at all. See, for example,  Do you have any reliable source for the debate you are speaking of? ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:13, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debatable whether Isa ibn Maryam and Jesus of Nazareth are the same figure or not? 

message: How do i describe dajjal to my friend that just converted to muslim 82.4.110.66 (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dajjal 

message: "According to the Sunni ḥadīth, the Dajjal will then be chased to the gate of Lod where he will be captured and killed by ʿĪsā. ʿĪsā will then break the Christian cross, kill all the pigs, abolish the jizya tax, and establish peace among all nations." yes as you can see e commerce every where main of the sugro already happen, also in main 2000 2005 mecca also have a big main clock in macca already written in hadith, keep pray and keep strong, deceiver is between us. QuaMbear (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  taxes 

message: Beginning of the article mentions Al Dajjal "will emerge from the West" but further down it mentions "emerges from the East". I think East is the correct one. This needs to be corrected 176.202.55.121 (talk) 10:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for pointing it out, I wonna check the sources. maybe there was an edit-conflict happening. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emerges from the West/East 

message: The Arabic word Dajjal might be related to the Hebrew word "Shollal" meaning "astray" or "deception".
שׁוֹלָל
From the book of Job (12:19):
ספר איוב פרק יב, פסוק יט:
A linguist may want to opine on that.
Thanks. 2A10:8012:1:D427:405B:58A2:D671:34B3 (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew

message: in the beginning there's an image of "Sasa matic" written prist
what is that? Bebo12321 (talk) 07:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is prist? 

message: I find no gate of Lod among the Gates of the Old City of Jerusalem.
Is the gate a known gate or is it opento interpretation?
-- Error (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gate of Lod