Talk:Londonderry Air

message: This was placed at the top of the article.  I saw fit to remove it because it had no place in the article:
"(There is no such place as "Londonderry". THe name of the town, and the county, is Derry. "Londonderry is a British bastardization of the name which is rejected by the Irish, and by the people of Derry.)"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.112.65 (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well to be honest if he thinks that then the jokes on him as derry is a British version of what the old irish name was! The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 11:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed inflammatory POV 

message: Properly, "Londonderry Air" can also refer to the music, not just this particular set of lyrics (one of many).  The song "Danny Boy" is also set to the same music.  Julian May describes a good deal of the song's history in an appendix to her The Many-Colo[u]red Land (it's page 410 of my 1982 Pan paperback, ) and gives a number of more scholarly references.  I suspect that there is even more recent scholarship on the tune than that.
The tune, says May, was first published in 1855 by George Petrie in a collection entitled Ancient Music of Ireland.  The version in Petrie's book  did not yet have a title.  18.24.0.120 02:30, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I suspect that the title, DANNY BOY, would be an anglicisation of the Gaelic, DOMHNAILL BUI, referring to Donal (in modern Irish) with the fair hair (BUI meaning yellow).  Any comments?
:It seems unlikely given that Danny Boy written by an Englishman, Fred Weatherly, long after the tune was published, but before he had heard it.--Henrygb 03:56, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danny Boy 

message: Is there a reason for not noting the obvious ribald pun? Litch 21:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What, London Derriere? --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 21:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Wikipedia tries to be encyclopedia not a schoolboy jokebook. --Henrygb 18:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's not noteworthy for the article's purposes, but I do have to admit that is the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the name. - furrykef (Talk at me) 13:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The pun

message: There is a conflict between this article and the one on Danny Boy.  Here, we are told unequivocally that "Weatherly intended the song as a parting message from a woman to a man".  The latter article says "Some contend that 'Danny Boy' was intended as a message from a woman to a man ... but it was actually intended as a father to a son."  It would be nice if someone who knows definitively would straighten this out.  If no one can say beyond personal preference which is true, appropriate weasel words should be added to both articles.  SDCHS (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. I thought the concensus was that Londonderry Air and Danny Boy should have 2 articles (as per discussion above) and yet... this article covers the words as if it is one and the same. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Danny Boy was wrong, due to a recent edit by someone who has made no other edits.--Rumping (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The "woman to man" is just one of several and certainly not as authoritative as the article suggests.  I've taken the whole section out, it belongs in Danny Boy anyway, and I've rewritten the references in the Danny Boy section to square up much closer to the facts. David T Tokyo (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Conflict (Danny Boy Section)

message: Isn't it the Londonderry Air? I've never known it called A until I came to this page. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The A was the result of the article having been renamed by Eduardo Sellan III on 24 March 2011 without explanation or discussion. I've now moved the article back to Londonderry Air (which is the correct title per WP:COMMONNAME). --Zundark (talk) 12:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 

message: Does anybody know the tune of the Aislean? Well, I do - I found it in the net a couple of years ago, it was published on standingstones.com. I added the tune to my harp- repertoire, and I am still wondering, why it is connected to the Derry- Air. You could as well take e.g. "Let it be" or something similar (ok, Paul McCartney is still a bit younger than Ruaidri Dáll Ó Catháin). The tune is quite connectable to London derrière, but it is a tune of its own, and I regard the similarity to be mere chance, really normal in traditional music. The link between the two tunes goes back to a man called Hugh Shields, who published it as early as 1979  , and everybody believes it. I don't.
Donnchadh Ó hAmhsaigh, who is supposed to be the Aislean's author lived through the complete (!!!) 18th century, wich is not so very long ago - though I regard the tune a little older - Ruaidri Dall seems more plausible , as the tune sounds more like rennaissance music, than baroque.
Funny enough, the words of the "The Confession of Devorgilla" fit much more to the Aislean. Have you tried to sing them to the plumber- boy's song (Just to add another schoolboy's joke: the pipes are calling, harr, harr): they fit into a different metrical system, you'll find it hard to press them into the Derry- Air. But the Aislean's time fits them all right - good to have another tune in store.--Ginness (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, here you are:  --Ginness (talk) 22:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. Should this link be included in the article to improve it by allowing readers make up their own minds on whether the theory makes sense, or would that violate some of the 2 million variants of WP:Whatever-you-do-DO-NOT-let-mere-readers-make-up-their-own-minds-in-case-this-might-call-into-question-the-Infallible-Authority-of-the-Priesthood-of-Authors-of-Reliable-Sources? Tlhslobus (talk) 01:55, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To my astonishment, I lately found a comment in Waltons' "Ireland - The Songs" (Dublin/ Westfield, MA, 1993 Vol. 4, p.16) upon the song "The Last Rose of Summer", where it is stated that Thomas Moore wrote the song to a tune called "The Young Man's Dream". Knowing the Aislean for a couple of years now and the Lst Rose even ten times longer, I was really surprised to find out that in this case it is definitely the same tune with only a few variations. But honestly, did anyone ever connect the Last Rose of Summer to Danny Boy???--Ginness (talk) 08:07, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did, and I think James Galway does too. Just listened to a Galway cd where the two are played right after each other in the same tempo, and they really sound like variations on the same tune. The kinship was so striking that I had to check for the roots of these two songs here on WP; and sure enough it turns out that they are (very likely) derived from a common ancestor. Added the connection into the article. :) 83.254.143.38 (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aislean an oigfear 

message: It's time to move these various songs and hymns to Wikisource - they are taking over the article. Wikipedia is not a song-book. Hohenloh  +   14:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.--Ginness (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many songs 

message: Could add 'Irish Rhapsody No. 1' by [Stanford].
Possible reference: http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/259514.html
I would do it, but I'd probably kill WP.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.100.23 (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instrumental Settings 

message: National anthem of Northern Ireland redirects to Londonderry Air, but I think it's wrong. Northern Ireland national football team uses God Save the Queen as national anthem, like the English team. I think National anthem of Northern Ireland should be a separate article like National anthem of England, National anthem of Scotland and National anthems of New Zealand. --Wikipean (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  National anthem of Northern Ireland? 

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message: "Please change the title Londonderry Air to Londonderry Air/ Derry Air. That would at least show some measure of respect to the perspective of millions of Irish, Northern Irish and Irish diaspora who continue to oppose the British occupation of Northern Ireland." Comhad na fírinne (talk) 20:28, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide references to support this being the correct name. Canterbury Tail talk 20:30, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2019 

message: Please consider adding opinion of Havergal Brian in Musical Opinion of 1935 (writing as La main gauche). That the "Londonderry Air" (as he knew it) was "of no great age, and this because the leading note, the seventh, is sharp and not flat, as is found in most traditional airs". Concluding "The only conclusion I reach is that some person of name unknown did write the lovely and immortal melody called the Londonderry air. Such single inspirations are not unknown in music: and in this case I venture to suggest that the inspiration came to Jane Ross, and that shyness alone robbed her of fame."
Musical opinion, February 1935, p. 395
http://www.havergalbrian.org/articles/londonderry-air.php Panchrestonalias (talk) 02:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2019 

message: There is no such place as County Londonderry. So change The "Londonderry Air" is an Irish air that originated in County Londonderry, Ireland to The "Londonderry Air" is an Irish air that originated in County Derry, Ireland. 78.16.143.2 (talk) 08:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Melmann 09:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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