Talk:Stanley Spencer

message: I have made this sub-heading plural, as an interim measure, since it discusses both Hilda and Preece. But there is at present stuff about the latter in a subsequent section.  And there is important information available publicly about Spencer realising that he had made a huge mistake over Preece, and his daughter Unity forgiving him. Plus, the Carline family were important artists in their own right, including Hilda - both self-portrayed and drawn by Spencer.  Whereas Preece was disreputable - we can say this without risk of libel, since there are several respectable cites. She even exhibited paintings done by Dorothy Hepworth which Preece signed i.e. passed off as hers! This can also be supported by cites. I propose separating material on Hilda from that on Preece, either by means of two Sub-sections, or by following the chronology and inserting the facts about each in the sequence in which they occurred.--Dendrotek 13:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriages 

message: Short title needed for 1920 - 26
A short title is needed for the Section 1920 - 26 (or should it be '27?) Spencer finally left his parents' home in 1920 (see the chronology in SS, Tate Publishing, 2001). As the Wiki Article at present says, he moved with his family to work in Burghclere, in 1927 - the same chronology says this. In this mid-1920's period, perhaps the most significant influence of his actual life i.e. biography, on his art, might be "Hampstead" where he not only finally decided to marry Hilda, but also worked on the first major "resurrection". A problem with this Article as it stands at present is that it conflates "SS Biography" and "SS Art." Making large changes, like the last, without discussing them with anyone, does not help. His first solo exhibition at the Goupil Gallery in spring 1927, needs considering in the context of this section, too. "Marriages" needs moving, or as I have previously posted, dealt with differently.--Dendrotek 20:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short title needed for 1920 - 26  

message: A check on the first three sentences of this Section:-
Spencer has been described as an early modernist painter. His works often express his fervent if unconventional Christian faith. This is especially evident in the scenes that he envisioned and depicted in Cookham. ... etc. Using a Google search containing these words throws up only blogs, WP echo sites and WP parasites. Clearly the beginning of this potentially important Section needs a citation to a respected source.  So unless somebody discovers where this came from, and it is good, what I propose to do is to replace it with either a close paraphrase (cited), or a direct cited quote from such a source. In either case, conveying more or less the same ideas.  Probably one of those we already use elsewhere in the Article. Comments please!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendrotek (talk • contribs) 22:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning of Section on Art

message: This says: - Spencer has been the subject of several biographies. The diminutive survivor of turmoil domestic and military is depicted ...  There are more than several biographies, of course and in any case we have a Bibliography in the Article. Shall we just delete this? Or move it? And the start of the next sentence is strange too - who "depicts" SS thus?--Dendrotek 16:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd sentence and a half at start of 3rd para of Section Royal Academician

message: Dendrotek, I appreciate it may have taken you as much as twenty minutes to copy, word for word, the 'Summary Chronology' section from the Stanley Spencer Gallery website, but that is clearly what you did and as such is a blatent copyright violation and that material needs to be deleted from the article. I'm sorry I didn't check it sooner. A link to the Gallery page can be added under 'External Links' but wholescale copying, no matter how you try to amend it now, is unacceptable.14GTR (talk) 07:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation