Talk:Minhas

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message: Are there any external links, say for example a community portal giving details of Minhas history? If there are, please add them so as to provide credibility to this article. Thanks.
Rajatjghai 21:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Minhas is also a gotra of Jats. It may be added. Thanks. burdak 03:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minhas Jats

message: Minhas and Manhas appear to refer to the same Rajput clan. The content of both articles appears to be intentionally similar. In this case, one article should be made into a redirect page that links to the other, but I'm not sure what the new article should be called. I'll effect the merger within a week or so, upon consensus or if there are no serious objections. Cheers. – Liveste 09:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles have been merged under Minhas. I'll try to clean the article up soon, but some of the information needs to be verified. Cheers. – Liveste 03:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: This article has the same factually incorrect wishful thinking synthesis like the disputed article content at articles Sikh Rajputs and Mair Rajputs in claiming Sikh are Rajputs or vice-versa. This is kind of categorization is outright rejected by Sikh Guru Gobind Singh, however this article section claims his followers practices that and hint that in his presence. It not only makes factually incorrect but also baseless claims with unverifiable information. I've placed "factually incorrect/Disputed" tags on the specific sections of this article. Please see the talkpage of article Sikh Rajputs for more information and objecting to these tags. Please do not remove these tags before having a reasonable discussion and substantiating claims with accurate and reliable NPOV sources, Regards, --Roadahead (talk) 00:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: User named  is following my edits in some sort of personal vendetta agenda and reverting/deleting my edits. Please be informed that you are not supposed to delete tags like the way you are doing (eg. [here] without leaving your opinion to the discussion that is already going on [here], [here] and [here]. If you feel you're an expert on the topic you should first take part in discussion and prove your points. Stop following my edits and keeping on reverting them. --Roadahead (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factually Incorrect 

message: Hi is not the term Rajput used to describe a person who defends Dharma (like a Knighthood is associated with Christianity), where Dharma is defined as Hinduism? So do Muslim Rajputs defend Hinduism against tyrants? Just Curious --Sikh-History 22:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I pray that I as one of these, am doing that. But Dharma cannot refer to "hinduism" because Dharma refers to law, and Islam has a law where it claims to be the completion of law from above, and technically speaking... that's a moot irrelevant point to ask discussion for. It's like saying, do they no longer have this parental lineage just because they became muslim. That there's a contradiction of where "how dare my son/daughter become a muslim, he shall be kicked out of the family lineage" ... but there are no signs that happened. Faro0485 (talk) 21:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muslim and Rajput - A Contradiction? 

message: I have stubbed this article again, Despite numerous maintenance templates requesting sources etc, and numerous contributions while those have been in place, nothing has been forthcoming. I have tried to source information myself, within the constraints of our WP:RS policy, and have had little luck. I do not deny the existence of the community but WP:V and WP:RS are core policies on Wikipedia. If anyone can provide statements that was verifiable per policy then that would be great. - Sitush (talk) 10:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and again. I rather think this can be rebuilt but past experience of Indic caste articles suggests that in this instance the easiest way to do it is to start over. Per policies such as WP:RS and WP:PUFFERY, there was practically no viable content and the situation has been such for long enough. Please, let's join together to rebuild it as something befitting this project. There are plenty of other places on the web where people can publish what they believe to be correct without our requirements for verifiability etc. - Sitush (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubbing 

message: The article was again deleted even I had added the references from Google books and some other reliable sources. Can someone tell me what was the reason for deleting this article now? Minhas 12:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You left a message on my talk page about this issue as well. I just wanted to tell you that I'm not ignoring you but I will not be able to get to this until later. Please be patient. Please sign your comments with your user name (not Minhas) and allow it to remain clickable.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: We've had some problems over the last 24 hours or so from various people who want to reinstate content that previously existed in the article. That content was removed because the sources - where it was sourced at all - were not reliable, the phrasing was all wrong for an encyclopedia, etc. This is why we currently have a single-sentence, unreferenced stub.Obviously, such a stub is far from ideal but that is not in itself a reason to reinstate material that contravenes our policies and guidelines; for example, WP:V and WP:RS. At some point, I'll probably be able to expand the article myself but anyone can do so: there is no need to wait for me, probided that you comply with the aforesaid policies etc. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old version of this article 

message: 2.50.4.170 (talk) 08:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: - This material is copy-paste from another Wikipedia article: Punjabi Rajputs, not new material, and much of it will not apply to this sub-group. A better approach to improving this article is to give smaller incremental well-sourced addtions you would like us to evaluate. -- Dianna (talk) 01:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 26 January 2013 

message: I am Ali and I am from Jhelum, Pakistan. According to the family tree and authentic documents we have, it is clear that Minhas or Manhas is a Rajput clan, which is an off-shoot of Jamwal Dogra Rajputs of Jammu. The ancestor of Minhas Rajput clan who's real name was Raja Malan Hans Dev or Raja Mal Hans Dev had 22 sons. One of his son, who was our ancestor, converted to Islam in 15th century during the era of Mughal Emperor Zahir-ud-Din Babur. He embraced Islam during his deer hunting trip some where near Jhelum or Chakwal.
Correct  Maaz Minhas (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Edit on 25th May, 2014 is absolutely wrong 

message: Please make this page unprotected. I want to add more information in this.
Rashid259 (talk) 15:28, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. If you do not want to list the changes needed here, you may wait until your account is autoconfirmed, which means you have been a registered user for more than four days and have made more than 10 edits. At this point, you will be allowed to edit the article yourself. Dana boomer (talk) 20:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
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message: For a long time "Minhas" community on Wikipedia was described correctly as a Rajput community in the Punjab, Rajasthan  and Jammu Kashmir region of India.  They have traditionally followed Hinduism, Islam and sikhism. Please make the correction.  Due to them being landowners, they are often confused with Jattss.  For this reason many jatts would like to claim they are minhas, while minhas rajputs would not like to be called jatts.  Kindly make the correction.
Singh rajindra (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2015 

message: I have just added this from Alain Lefebvre. It isn't the best of sources, being very much a passing mention in a study of a single village by someone who may or may not have questioned the claims made by the villagers regarding their origins. If nothing else turns up, I'd certainly not object to this article being sent to WP:AFD. - Sitush (talk) 01:09, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just checked :Questia for minhas rajput and for minhas jat. There are no relevant results there, nor using the same terms at :JSTOR. Google Books has a lot of snippets but they are extremely repetitive, appear mostly to be passing mentions in lists and in many cases are quite obviously reprints of the British Raj ethnography/census reports.Of course, searching in this manner is not the be all, end all but I've also been keeping an eye out as I've been reading hundreds of sources over the last few years. I'm seriously questioning now whether coverage of this community is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. - Sitush (talk) 01:28, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alain Lefebvre source 

message: Tahir Amin Manhas (talk) 12:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: Minhas or Manhas or Minhas-Dogra (Urdu: منہاس) is a suryavanshi Rajput clan from the Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab region of the Indian subcontinent. It is an off-shoot of Jamwal-Dogra Rajputs, the founders of the city and state of Jammu and its rulers from ancient times to 1948 C.E. In antiquity of rule, which is generally considered a benchmark of royalty, they are second to none, but the great Katoch Rajputs of Trigartaand Kangra. Paying tribute to the antiquity of their royal lineage, Sir Lepel Griffin says, “These royal dynasties may have been already ancient when Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt, and the Greeks were steering their swift ships to Troy.”
Most members of this clan are Hindus and reside in the following states of India: Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh and Indian Punjab. However, a considerable number are Muslims (who inhabit Pakistan mainly in Pakistani Punjab and Azad Kashmir). Sikh Minhas mainly inhabit Punjab (India)). Minhas is also a Jatt gotra or clan. Jatt Minhas are called ‘Virk’.
Origins
Minhas Rajputs are Suryavanshis and claim descent from Rama a legendary king of Ayodhya. In Rajputana, their closest cousins are the Kachwaha Rajputs of Jaipur.
They trace their ancestry to the Ikshvaku dynasty of Northern India (The same clan in which Lord Rama was born. He, therefore is the ‘kuldevta'(family deity) of the Hindu Minhas Rajputs). Specifically, they claim descent from Kusha younger of the twin sons of Rama, hero of the Ramayana, to whom patrilineal descent from Surya is in turn ascribed.
A Raghuvanshi descendant of Raja Kusha, ‘Agnigarba’ who was living as a recluse, came to Nagarkote (Kangra, Himachal Pradesh), in the Shivalik hills. When the Raja of Kangra came to know about this person’s ancestry, he offered him the hand of his daughter and a part of kingdom. The river Ravi was then the boundary of Nagarkote. Agnigarba crossed it and captured some villages in the Kathua area and declared himself as sovereign king. After his death, his son Bayusharva (1500-1530 B.C.E) married the princess of Parole (Kathua). The princess was known as Erwan and she died young.
The Raja founded a city after her which is still found near Parole, though now a small village and at the ‘Samadhi’ of the queen, a `Mela’ (fair) is held at every `Baisakhi’ (13th or 14th of April) every year. Bayusharva extended the boundaries up to the river Ujh. Bayusharva’s great grandson, Bahulochan was enthroned after his death. He migrated from Erwan and built his fort on the banks of river Tawi.
Raja Bahulochan died in a bloody battle with Chadaras, Raja of Sialkot (Shayalkot) and his younger brother Jambulochan (1290-1320 B.C.E) ascended the throne. In those days the area beyond Tawi (the present city of Jammu) was used for hunting. Tradition has it that one day Jambulochan came to this area and while he was sitting behind a bush to ambush some bird or animal, he saw a lion ( a tiger in some accounts ) and a goat drinking water from the same pond. This peaceful coexistence encouraged him to found the city of Jammu, which some say is named after him.
One of his descendants, Raja Shaktikaran (1177-1200 B.C.E) introduced the Dogri Script for the first time. Another of his descendants, Jasdev founded the city of Jasrota on the bank of river Ujh, and another Raja, Karan Dev built a fort on the banks of the river Basantar. In the early centuries of the first millennium the area came under the sway of the Indo-Greeks, with their capital at Sakala (Sialkot).
His later descendants, the Dogras ruled over the state for hundreds of years till 1948 C.E, when the state of Jammu and Kashmir officially acceded to India. Maharaja Hari Singh Dogra was the last in the long list of the Dogra rulers of Jammu. The Dogras also ruled over the Kashmir Valley for three brief terms, twice for short periods around 1000 C.E and one last time when Maharaja Gulab Singh Dogra became the Maharaja of Kashmir after the fall of the Sikh Kingdom of Punjab following the Second Anglo-Sikh War in 1849 C.E.
Minhas and Jamwal Rajputs
All the descendants of Raja Jambu Lochan were called Jamwal Rajputs, until Raja Malan Hans Dev took up agriculture as a profession and left the throne to his younger brother, Raja Suraj Hans Dev. Rajputs in general and those in the Punjab hills in particular have had a strong prejudice against taking up agriculture as a profession and therefore Raja Malan Hans and his descendants were styled Minhas.
Since that time anyone in the Jamwal clan who took up agriculture or converted to Islam was called Minhas whereas the name Jamwal has been confined to the royal branch including the Maharajas of Jammu and Kashmir.
Alternate view point: Greek origin
It is likely that because the ancient Indo-Greek/Bactrian Kingdoms overlapped with Minhas territory Bactria, Gandhara the name originates from Minas or Minos the Greek god, son of Zeus and Europa who was king of Crete and many of the Aegean islands. Many of the Minas line may have travelled into Bactria & Gandhara with Alexander the Great and remained behind and inter-married with the local populations.
Additionally there are also large numbers of Minas in Armenia, Turkey, Persia, Russia and other Central Asian states. Often the Armenians and Turks use the name as Minasian (“of the Minas family”) or Minasyan.
Manhas could also possibly mean son of Man as “Manu”, “Manushya”, “Manav” and “Manas” are Sanskrit terms for “Man” while Manasi means “Woman” .
Gotra
The gotra of Minhas Rajputs is Bhardwaja.
Minhas history
Minhas Rajput
The Minhas and Bhatti Rajput clans were extremely powerful during the time of the Hindu Shahi dynasty of Kabul and ruled over many small kingdoms extending from eastern Afghanistan through the Jammu/Sialkot areas of West Punjab and up to the Jalandhar/Kangra area of eastern Punjab. According to Farishta, during the second battle of Tarain between Prithviraj Chauhan and Mohammad Ghori in 1192, Chauhan’s left flank consisted of Hindu Pathan cavalry. It is said that this Hindu Pathan cavalry was led by a minhas raja from the northwest.
A famous Manhas/Minhas in history was Baba Chamliyal also called Duleep Singh Minhas, a warrior saint, whose Samadhi (place of cremation) is still visited by hundreds and thousands of Pakistanis and Indians each year in the month of June. The Mela (fair) which is held in honour of Baba Chamliyal, was celebrated for the 317th time on Thursday, June 22, 2006 as the man-made boundary between India and Pakistan lost its importance momentarily and people from both sides participated in the mela with vigour.
Banda Bahadur, the famous disciple of Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth Sikh Guru and the founder of the Khalsa Brotherhood was born into a Minhas Rajput family in Rajouri in the Jammu region. Banda Bahadur was an accomplished warrior-general, who almost destroyed Mughalpresence in eastern Punjab and arguably created the first Sikh State.
Muslim Minhas Rajputs
In Punjab (Pakistan), the main concentration of Minhas Rajputs is in Chakwal, a town sixty miles south-east of the federal capital, Islamabad. In Chakwal, the Minhas Rajputs are called Mair-Minhas (also spelt Maair) after their ancestor, Raja Mair, a Jamwal prince who converted to Islam in 1190 C.E. According to the legend, Raja Mair (whose name before conversion was Raja Bhagir Dev) was son of the Raja of Jammu and had come to the Dhanni area (present day Chakwal) for hunting. He fell in love with a local Muslim Gujjar woman, converted to Islam and married her.
There are also reports that the title of Mair was given by Sikhs in recognition of the bravery of Chakwal’s Minhas in the Battle of Chillianwala in Second Anglo-Sikh Waragainst the British.
Mair Minhas Rajputs number around six thousand at present. The ‘Chaudhrials’ or the Talukdars reside in Kot Sarfraz Khan, Kot Chaudhrian and the old-Chakwal city; whereas other members of the tribe, the Zamindars occupy eighty four villages in Chakwal tehsil including Behkri, Dhudial, Badsahan, Bhoun, Murid, Sarkal-Mair, Chakral, Udhwal, Dab, Sutwal, Karhan, Chak Malook, Chak Norang and Bhagwal.
The city of Chakwal is named after their Chief, Chaku Khan who ruled the area at the time of Mughal King, Babar’s invasion. The Mughal emperor Zaheerudin Babur conferred upon him the title of Chaudhry and made him the Taluqdar (area administrator) over 84 villages of the Dhani country, which since then has been known as Dhan 84. The Mair-Minhas tribe rose to further prominence during the short rule of Sher Shah Suri who handed them the control over the adjoining territories, as far as Swan River in Potohar and Kahoon in the South.
However, After the Mughal King Humayun returned to India with the help of the Persians, he handed over the entire Potohar including Dhani to the Gakhars, who had helped him escape from India during Sher Shah’s revolt.
As written in the History of the Gakhars, “Kaigor Nama”, the Mair-Minhas tribe proved to be notorious subjects for the Gakhars and almost never paid their revenue, killed the Ghakkar ‘kardars’ repeatedly and escaped in the mountains whenever military operations were launched against them.Sir Denzil Ibbetson in his Punjab census report of 1881 describes them as ” ever masterful and always retaining their independence in a singular degree.”
The Mair-Minhas tribe again rose to power after King Aurangzeb’s death. They had supported his son Moazzam in his quest for power and in return he re-appointed their chief Gadabeg Khan as the Taluqdar and Chaudhry of ‘Dhan Chaurasi’. Their rule over Dhani continued during the Sikh era as one of their chiefs Chaudhry Ghulam Mehdi had invited Sirdar Maha Singh to this side of river Jhellum. Also, their Dogra cousins Raja Gulab Singh and Dhian Singh were very powerful in the Lahore Durbar, so the influence of Chakwal Chaudhrials during the sikh era was considerable and they were considered one of the biggest Muslim land holders of the era.
It was during that era that Dhani breed of horses became very popular and even Maharaja Ranjeet Singh’s personal horses were kept in the stables of the ‘Chakwal Chaudhials’.
In the Second Anglo-Sikh War at Chaillianwala in 1849, the Chakwal Chaudhrials were among the very few Muslim feudal families who supported the Sikhs. Consequently, after the defeat of the Sikhs all Jagirs and titles of the ‘Chakwal Chaudhrials’ were confiscated. They further disgraced themselves by making over a British Lady, Lady George Lawrence. As a result they even lost proprietary rights over One hundred and seventy thousand acres of cultivated land which they had colonised and owned for many centuries.
Due to their general good conduct in the mutiny of 1857, some of their rights were restored and small Jagirs were granted to their chiefs in Chakwal. Chief of the tribe Jehan Khan and later his son Aurangzeb Khan were conferred an ‘inam’ of Rs.312/- per annum and the title of “Raja Sahib” as a mark of hereditary distinction. The Chaudhrials of Kot Chaudhrian were able to get more concessions with the aid of Maharaja Gulab Singh and almost half of their original lands were regranted.
The Mair-Minhas tribe is almost entirely confined to the Chakwal District. However, besides Chakwal, there are a quite a few other Minhas (other than Mair-Minhas) villages scattered all over the province including the famous village of Sagri in Rawalpindi, and in Gujar Khan, Kahuta, Sargodha and Faisalabad. Some villages are also located in the state of Azad Jammu & Kashmir. The Mair-Minhas are also resided at village Nauroz Pur Tarar near Jalal Pur Bhattian in district Hafizabad.
There is also a considerable population of Minhas families in Sialkot in the districts of Rangpura and Heerawalapura. They are descendants of Hashim Minhas (1781), and his son Ghulam Mui-Din Minhas. However in Sailkot, they were largely engaged in the tailoring and clothing trades. Many of their descendants emigrated for economic reasons from Sialkot to the Middle East, UK and the US.
Top Military awards
Members of Muslim Minhas tribe have the honor of receiving top military awards both in British India and in Pakistan. Subaidar Khudadad Khan was awarded Victoria Cross, the first native Indian to receive this honour
Rashid Minhas was awarded Pakistan’s top military honor, the Nishan-E-Haider. He was also the youngest man and the only member of the Pakistan Air Force to win this coveted award. The Pakistan Air Force base at Kamra has been renamed in his honour
Martial traditions
Gen.M. Iftikhar Khan, a Minhas Muslim Rajput.The Mair Minhas tribe has a long martial tradition which has continued into modern times.Some of the most respected officers of the Pakistan Army including its first General, PA 1,
Muhammed Akbar Khan(Order of the British Empire), PA 2 General Muhammad Iftikhar Khan(designated to become the first C-in-C, but died in an aircrash) and PA 48 General Muhammad Anwar Khan (Pakistan’s first E-in-C) all hail from this clan. General Anwar is considered the father of Pakistan’s Corps of Engineers, and also served as Chairman OGDC. Subaidar Khudadad Khan(Victoria Cross) from the village of Dub, also belongs to the tribe. 84.70.195.134 (talk) 01:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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message: Asif Ali Minhas, a Pakistani living in Austria famous HSE Trainer , social activist, Special Delegate in Pakistan of Lazarus Union, Vienna Austria with holding "Colonel" rank and founder of OSHTA Austria (Austria's first English Medium HSE Institute. 80.146.207.53 (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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