Talk:Section sign

message: Czech keyboard has a dedicated paragraph button. Should be added, but I can't edit the page...
Czech:  (key between  and  on ANSI layout and  and  on most ISO layouts)
217.30.66.51 (talk) 13:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech keyboard dedicated entry 

message: I removed all paragraph:
:In the written language of the Kalahari Bushmen, the section sign is used to warn of nearby snakes, owing to its striking visual similarity to a pair of snakes intertwined. Snakes in Kalahari culture are associated with strong superstitious beliefs; many believe that simply reading about a snake can be fatal. Accordingly, the section sign can either indicate real snakes, or a written paragraph which mentions them.
It was unsourced, written by an anonymous user who was already warned for vandalism and it looks like nonsense. --Amir E. Aharoni 10:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kalahari Bushmen 

message: In Poland, this sign means "paragraph," not "section." The Polish penal code, in turn, is organised in paragraphs. Thus, this sign shows up on the covers of books about law and on law enforcement officers' badges.
Description in this stub does not do a good job explaining that.
:Yes and no. Indeed in Poland this sign is called "paragraph", but it is used nevertheless as a sign denoting sections. Basic unit in Polish laws is an article, not section (or paragraph). For instance the crime of ordinary homicide is in an article 148 § 1 in criminal code while homicide with the firearm in an article 148 § 2. Only very important laws use § signs (like criminal code, civil code, code of civil/administrative/criminal proceedings etc.) Other laws use so called "ustęps" instead of sections (§). IAAL. Przepla 20:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not entirely true. Paragraph is actually used as a basic unit of legal text in government's regulations ("rozporządzenie", "zarządzenie", "uchwała" etc.) which are, by theirs nature, placed hierarchically lower than parliament's acts, either codes and ordinary acts, and as such could be regarded as "less important" (but in fact are the significant part of polish legal system). In the case the prevalent denoting pattern is e.g. "§ 1 ust. 1. ......." (section 1 subsection 1). Moreover, the paragraph sign is also used as an universal sign of independent piece of legal text in all kinds of written contracts, by-laws, organisational regulations and alike. Mroq (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning in Poland 

message: At least when you are using a Swedish keyboard. Nopedia 14:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The instructions for typing § on MS Windows is incorrect 

message: "Many Maxis games, from SimCity 3000 onwards, including The Sims, The Sims Online, The Sims 2 and Spore, use this symbol (with a very round loop) to represent the unit of currency in the SimNation, the simoleon." There is no reference for Spore using Simoleans as any type of currency, in fact it has been suggested that 'evolution/eco points' or something similar will be a 'currency' in said game, I am removing Spore from this list, at least until someone turns up real proof.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KitsuneDragonRA (talk • contribs) 12:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to the references to Maxis games? If they were removed for good reason, can someone link to change that led to their removal for the benefit of future editors? InsertGenericMemeHere (talk) 17:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, in the Maxis game, Spore, the in-game currency denoted by the symbol is a "Sporebuck", in use during the Civilization and Space stages of development. Also, the sign continues in use in The Sims franchise. The question arises, however, as to whether such usage is sufficiently noteworthy to merit re-inclusion in the article. As The Sims is undeniably a prominent game series with an international audience, it may. 2600:2B00:9214:4800:248D:F65:7219:B6A5 (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; I think its use to stand for Simoleons count as a use of the section sign "in pop culture", and merits inclusion. 122.213.236.124 (talk) 08:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Spore from list 

message: On 14 Nov 2013, the article Sahoyúé-§ehdacho appeared on the main page, in the "Did you know?" section. That article says that "§ehdacho" is a word in the Slavey language. In turn, the Slavey language article explains that Slavey "is written using Canadian Aboriginal syllabics or the Latin script." This symbol does not look anything like any of the Canadian Aboriginal syllabics, so I have to presume that it is some form of Slavey/Latin script. Anyone know any more about this letter, such as what it is called or how it is pronounced? --Keeves (talk) 14:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here with the same query: how it is pronounced when used in writing First Nation languages. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this also a letter in an alphabet? 

message: The proper name of this character is the "silcrow" though it is now known popularly as the section sign.  The article should reflect that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.71.1 (talk) 19:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Untrue. That's an informal nickname, rarely used, a sort of pun on pilcrow. It's not the name in Unicode and it does not appear in a Google Books search. 82.28.153.207 (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

text: I am a professional type designer, and I have never encountered the term "silcrow". Citation needed. Devanatha (talk) 14:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  silcrow 

message: In Unix terminfo descriptions and used in ncurses, this symbol is called the "lantern symbol", but the origins of that elude me. Google books cite to Programmer's Guide to nCurses by Dan Gookin. -Elijah (talk) 04:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lantern symbol 

message: The "Scilicet" link is merely a link to the page itself. I think we should remove this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyy8fh (talk • contribs) 03:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scilicet 

message: The previous discussion asked for a source for the term "silcrow", but it still seems to not be present in the article (though there is a redirect from silcrow, which is inconsistent if nothing else). There's plenty more evidence of the term's usage in a Google search of the web and images, including the source I cited when adding it back into the article. Here's a sampling: , , , , . These are by no means official they just demonstrate that the term is in use out there (understandably, as it's cleaner to say than the Unicode name, "section sign"). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silcrow re-visited 

message: This isn't mentioned. At the very least a link, and a mention of the slink template used to produce it? CapnZapp (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done with h§tnote. Acceptable?--~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 00:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. Maybe begin with a less-technical "For the usage of § on Wikipedia, see ..." We do have several instances where we link from general article space into "wiki help space" (for lack of the formal term). Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 08:42, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage on Wikipedia 

message: Add in Uses that it is used almost unanimously to represent Parseltongue in Harry Potter Fanfictions. Justjustin2300 (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: .  No source given. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:05, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2019 

message: When I was growing up, my first encounter with this symbol was from the game series 'the Sims'. Does anyone else think this is notable enough to include in a section or paragraph maybe about it's modern cultural significance?
As it was my first encounter with the symbol.. I always recognise this as the simoleon symbol ^^. I'm probably not the only one though, so I was surprised theres no reference to the Sims in this article.
:If you can find a third-party wp:reliable source that records it as culturally significant, then it can go in. We try to avoid making our own judgements. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't redirect here. It should redirect to The Sims. Which I will do now. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is interesting, is it not, that there is no mention of it in its own article. It certainly doesn't belong here, see WP:trivia. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  use as the 'simoleon' symbol? 

message: I deleted this section 
;Font renderings
Various glyphs for the section sign grapheme in different fonts:
Default font	Arial	Calibri	Code2000	Courier	Fixed	Helvetica	Palatino	Corbel	Arabic
§           	§    	§      	§       	§      	§    	§        	§       	§     	§
Because it is wildly misleading unless the reader has all of these fonts installed. In each case where they do not, font substitution will be applied: in the extreme case, they will all be substituted and the default font displayed in every case, and all cells will be identical.
If anyone really believes that this is useful information, they will need to create an image file such as given at dollar sign or pound sign. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font renderings 

message: The Keyboard entry section could include a line with the relevant Vim digraph, which is .https://vimhelp.org/digraph.txt.html 
I would do it myself, but this is a protected page, apparently.
SchipholAirport (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I used  because the digraph is case-sensitive. —Dexxor (talk) 09:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vim digraph 

message: Under § Keyboard entry it states that for MacOS the key is `⌥ Option`+`5`, but in current Mac Mojave it is `⌥ Option+6` Rmedved7 (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Yep, just tested it. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 17:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Please remember to close, thank you! --Ferien (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021 

message: All Scandinavian keyboard layouts (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish) include the character on the top left key, that is: the key to the left of number 1.
On Norwegian keyboards it is shared with pipe: Pressing the key itself gives pipe; pressing shift plus the key yields paragraph (section: §).
On Swedish keyboards it is shared with ½: Pressing the key itself gives paragraph (section: §); pressing shift plus the key yields the fraction ½.
On Danish keyboards it is shared with ½: Pressing the key itself gives the fraction ½; pressing shift plus the key yields paragraph (section: §). CannedMan (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2021 

message: Add this right after Vim Keyboard entry
|Emacs:  followed by digraph 
	 PianoDan (talk) 18:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2021 

message: As per @John Maynard Friedman's far earlier advice, I have managed to find a user manual for the Deluxe Edition of The Sims (chosen because while there is an archive of the original Sims manual, the image supplement for the section on finances is too low-resolution to discern any meaningful text, as well as the fact that the Deluxe Edition's manual is virtually indistinguishable in terms of information provided) which could provide some basis for The Sims' inclusion on this page.
However, reading through WP:UGC begs the question; should the source of the digitised manual, 'oldgamesdownload.com' count as a reliable source in this context?
As far as I'm able to tell from their 'About Us' and 'FAQ' pages, they only offer abandonware and retro games at no charge (claiming to host the files on sites such as archive.org), in addition to the control schemes and user manuals for those same games. While it is technically user-generated content, given that a main feature of their website allows users to both request and fulfil requests for abandonware not already on the site, could a citation from them nevertheless count as acceptable use?
W0nderhat (talk) 06:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately that source just presents you with a new problem: copyright. Wikipedia policy is not to be an accessory to copyright theft and so not link to sites that do so. See talk:backslash. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thinking about this a little more, you have no obligation to say where you found the bootleg copy. You don't have to give a URL. It is still WP: verifiable, just not as easy to verify. You would have to use  rather than , which is no great hardship? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Copy that, will look into it more in the morning W0nderhat (talk) 13:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of "oldgamesdownload.com" 

message: MacOs : Latest version of MacOs uses  rather than  for the § symbol. Tharun Dyanish (talk) 20:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reliable source, like an Apple product manual or news source. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 10:04, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Your statement is credible and no-one doubts your word, it just needs supporting evidence. For instance, does it apply to every apple keyboard setting worldwide? (Obviously not.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2022 

message: change option + 6 to option + 5 in mac VinayakHk (talk) 13:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see the previous discussion. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2023