Talk:Lead paint

message: Would it be helpful to add that there's apparently a nontoxic replacement (scroll down to the next-to-last entry before the warm white; sorry, I couldn't get a direct link either showing only or redirecting to the specific paint) for artists' flake white? Gamblin oil paints makes one. I ran into this fact on a painter's blog and then the website, and discovered it wasn't mentioned here. However, since I'm pretty sure it's a single-brand product, I was worried that adding something would sound like an advertisement or bias. Apparently, it handles pretty differently from several other types of white. However, I haven't researched beyond this, and it's made by the company that makes the paint, though at least one artist that my painting teacher gave me material on color from says they're very good at giving information about their paints. I've only ever used titanium myself, so I can't tell. Frystavirki (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamblin Flake White Replacement? 

message: Would you think that mentioning some high-profile cases, like the recent recall of Mattel toys would enrich the article? SaintCahier 05:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some High-Profile Cases 

message: (Though, when taken in small amounts, lead may act as a vitamin by interacting with nicotinamide receptors in myocytes to aid in transport.) Where the heck did this come from???? Lead is definately not a vitamin, nor is arsencic nor DDT nor Polonium 210.  Lead is not required by any known organism.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.87.166.127 (talk) 04:55, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
:Actually, if you read the article you'll discover they taste sweet.  As in "Lead paint - delicious but deadly". Josh Parris#: 01:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe mercury was added as a fungicide.--Jrm2007 (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Mercury, in the form of thimerosal, was used in some "latex" and other water-based paint.  It cannot be used in "lead paint" or other "oil" paints as it is insoluble in hydrocarbons (water-based "lead paint" is theoretically possible, but was never made commercially).  It would also serve no purpose as it was added only to preserve the paint while in a liquid state (solvents inhibit fungus in "oil" paint).  It did little to protect dried paint as it would quickly dissolve out of the coating .  Namati (talk) 09:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is Toxic 

message: In the section on lead paint in art (which I largely wrote), someone added the following:
"Lead paint will often become discolored over long periods of time. This is due to the reaction of the lead carbonate in the paint with traces of hydrogen sulfide in the air and with acids, often from fingerprints. [2] As a result, many older works of art that used lead paint now show some discoloration."
As I found this surprising, I went and carefully read the study being cited. Their research seemed to refer only to lead in aqueous media on paper, although that wasn't absolutely clear. But lead paint has rarely been used in watercolor techniques in modern times! (It was occasionally used that way in the nineteenth century and earlier.) Today's artists working in transparent watercolor (aquarelle) don't usually use white paint at all, or just occasionally a bit of "Chinese White" (not lead) to make corrections. And opaque watercolors (gouache) and acrylic (polymer) artist's paints typically use titanium dioxide or (rarely) zinc white, but never lead. Normally "flake white" is used only by oil painters, and there's no indication in the study that they were referring to oil paints. Cooperstown is a well-respected institution, and perhaps they were referring to some early-nineteenth century work; but for practical advice to contemporary artists, I'm sticking with the modern master technologist (Ralph Mayer). He and many others have observed that flake white may get *slightly* yellowish after centuries -- but nothing like the gross discoloration referred to in the paragraph above. If someone has more information on this, please mention it here; otherwise when I come back I'm going to delete that paragraph or water it down (no pun intended).
Why the use of "unfortunately" in this sentence? "Unfortunately, it allows owners to not even test for lead-based paint; instead owners can simply disclose that a test has never been performed." That is not viewpoint neutral.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.25.235 (talk) 17:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading reference to study? 

message: This article talks about the dangers of lead in the human body but does not talk about whether lead from paint can get into the body and does not mention specific amounts.  Isaac 01:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is biased! 

message: .....and medical studies leading to the decision to ban it in residential use in 1978 should be detailed here.  Also the lack of recent government oversight of the problem of leaded paint in imported goods AND NOW LIPSTICK OF ALL KINDS AND TYPES!  should surely be included.207.178.98.7 23:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead ingestion specifically leads to mental retardation! 

message: Someone chose to add a tag indicating this article does not represent a world view of the subject.  I cannot find a reference to a world view in the article or on the talk page.  Can anyone point me to it?  If not, the tag should be removed as it misleads the reader into believing that other countries differ in their opinion of the dangers or lead paint.
Let me be clear.  I would be more interested in reading about another country's differing view of the dangers of lead paint than in removing the tag.  But, if there is no mention in the article or talk page about those differences then the tag is inaccurate and must be removed. - Tεxτurε 17:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the tag was accurate and I've reorganized the article to park the US-specific items under its own heading although it could use some additional cleanup. The reorg facilitates the inclusion of other countries take on the issue by just adding a new section.--Hooperbloob 23:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World view 

message: Lead based paints can be used in x-ray studies of paintings. In the past, paintings were 'improved' by the people who were supposed to be preserving them. X-rays showing lead white can show the layers and modifications to the painting. That's about all I know. I'm just putting this here in case anyone knows more about it and would like to write about it. If I know more I'd write it, but I don't think my contribution would be worth much on its own.
Everything I know about this is from 'Colour - travels through the paintbox' by Victoria Finlay
121.72.145.9 (talk) 11:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-radiology 

message: At what point in time was lead first used in paint?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.128.141 (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly Medieval, probably earlier. The Romans used lead as a drier (not a pigment) in boiled linseed oil, and white lead pigment was used in cosmetics by the Egyptians. Can't remember offhand when red or white leads first appeared as pigments though. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start of Lead Based Paint? 

message: Does regular dust build-up, such as on window sills, potentially create the risk of inhaling lead contaminanted particles if the dust is disturbed? Is lead dust generally a separate thing from regular dust or can regular dust carry lead from off painted surfaces? Also, how far does lead dust spread when disturbed (low level activities such as opening a window sill) and what would be a reasonable expectation for how long it remains airborne?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.115.144 (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead dust 

message: The article's statement that "flake white" and "Cremnitz white" are both names for white lead paint is misleading.  Flake white is often a combination of white lead (lead carbonate) and zinc white (zinc oxide), while Cremnitz white is (almost always) just white lead.  Namati (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of Article 

message: is there going to be some indication of how to recognize lead paint compared to lead-free paints? 94.224.194.209 (talk) 03:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that may be something that could possibly be added to the article but Wikipedia does not offer DIY advice or act as a how-to guide. Here in New Zealand there are test kits available to detect lead paint. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  recognizing 

message: "Red lead" paint, containing lead tetra-oxide is not mentioned in the article. It is still available as an industrial coating, in many countries. More highly oxidized metals are, in general, less toxic.WP has an article on red lead paint, and should be linked here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.69.239 (talk) 09:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we do: Lead tetroxide. Good point. Bus stop (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Lead paint. 

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message: I have found the following so far:
1.	United States Congress, Residential Lead-Based Paint Hazard Reduction Act, October 1992;
2.	Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Guidance on Residential Lead-Based Paint, Lead-Contaminated Dust and Lead-Contaminated Soil, July 1994;
3.	U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Affairs, Guidelines for the Evaluation and Control of Lead-Based Paint Hazards in Housing, July 2012;
4.	American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM), Subcommittee E06.23, “Standards on Lead Hazards Associated with Buildings”, September 1998;
5.	Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), Office of Health Compliance Assistance, 29 Code of Federal Regulation (CFR) 1926.62, Lead Exposure in Construction; “Interim Final Rule – Inspection and Compliance Procedures”, December 1993/ change 1, November 2015.
Additional OSHA guidance can be found here https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/LBPH-48.PDF
Is there anything important missing? --136.219.16.35 (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regulatory Standards for the US 

message: The article states that lead-based paints were banned in 2003 because of the Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive. This is about consumer electronics, though it may incidentally involve paint if they were used in a consumer electronic. This seems to be misleading. The main regulation was the 1989 European Economic Community Council Directive 89/677/EEC, which was a directive and would have been followed by later national-level laws to carry out. Any objections? I will edit if not. Le nain bros (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU Directive incorrect 

message: "Titanium dioxide is considered safe enough to use as a food coloring and in toothpaste, and is a common ingredient in sunscreen."
This is no longer true in the EU. As of the 7th of August 2022, it was banned from use by the EFSA and deemed as not unlikely carcinogenic and has been connected to inflammation of the bowels. 
(Was not banned in pharmaceuticals strangely enough.) 
Source:  https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/6585
I have never done a wikipedia edit, and I am not an expert on titanium dioxide, but I believe this section of the article should be edited to reflect recent changes in consumer laws in the EU. 46.9.138.175 (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titanium as an additive