Talk:Pappy Boyington

message: Boyington was a flight leader within AVG. This is confirmed by this site: http://www.flyingtigersavg.22web.org/camco.htm. Also, it should be noted by other editors of this Wikipedia entry that using Boyington himself as a reference is potentially fraught with difficulty. Boyington was known to embellish his feats and sometimes fabricated entire stories. --Durin 20:57, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AVG

message: The discussion on the AVG victory claims is misleading. The distribution of credits to "shooters" was never a policy, and to the best of my knowledge never happened. What often happened, and what happened at Chiang Mai, was that when a pilot was lost, the survivors divided the credit equally among all who had taken part. The two men who flew top cover therefore got an equal share in the credit (and the bonus money). There is no basis whatever for Boyington's mathematics, save that he needed six AVG vics to be a contender as the leading Marine ace of WWII. --Cubdriver 2 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)
:Okay, fixed :) --Cubdriver 3 July 2005 21:38 (UTC)
It's also completely unverified.  There's not a source or reference in that section at all.  If competent historians like Dan Ford have showed us anything, it's that when looking for the truth of "victory totals", it's best to start with not kill claims records, but with the "shot down" side's records.  As this doesn't do that AND is an extraordinary claim, then really this section is not at all wikipedia worthy and should be removed completely.  I've given whoever the benefit of the doubt and have left it in there with 'Original research', but if the claims made there are not sourced within a week or two, I'm going remove it.
218.231.180.96 (talk) 07:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: those victory claims

message: This page says his nickname was "Pappy" but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4U_Corsair claims his nickname was "Gramps", with "Pappy" being a media creation.
Anyone know who's correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.28.88 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 13 January 2006 UTC
*You might be correct. I recall something about this as well. Investigation needed. --Durin 13:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname?

message: No, although he claims in his own autobiography that he was a small part Native-American blood.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starhistory22 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem likely. His mother was Grace Gregory, whose father was a railroad road master in South Dakota--a job not likely to have been held by a black man (or a white man married to a black woman) in the 1880s. She married Charles Boyington, a dentist--also not a profession likely to be followed by a black man in Idaho. Boyington turned abusive when she got pregnant, saying that the father of the child was someone else. If so, the most likely candidate was Ellsworth Hallenbeck, whom she married not long after. (The baby went unnamed for a while, until Grace decided to give him her family name.) Hallenbeck was a bookkeeper as an adult, again not a likely African-American profession. As a toddler, Greg had straight blond hair. As an adult, as his biographer Bruce Gamble writes, "There was an unmistakable hint of Native American heritage in his features, which Gregory later acknowledged was from his mother's side." Another time, he described his bloodline as "alley cat," Scotch, Irish, and "some Sioux Indian in there someplace." Gamble thinks this was a myth, since Grace's grandparents came from New York and Quebec, not Sioux territory. If there was an African-American or Native American ancestor, we must assume that Greg's biological father was neither Boyington nor Hallenbeck but someone unknown to us. --Cubdriver 21:59, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Note that the recent claim made in connection with the Univ of Washington hooh-hah that Boyington was "a Sioux Indian" has to be hedged. The poster (and the Wall Street Journal editorial) appear to be mistaken in this assertion. The claim to Native American ancestry was something that Boyington threw out from time to time, which his biographer Bruce Gamble was unable to verify. I have accordingly hedged the recent addition. Ideally, it should eventually be deleted, as a flurry that doesn't have a whole lot to do with Boyington's life story. But it's fun to see it there for the time being. --Cubdriver 22:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Colonel Boyington is half Souix and half Irish. He said so in his last interview which I posted a link to. I don't know where this Michael Medved thinks he's part African American. I know Marines  who are full-blooded Native American Indian (Navajo, Shoshone, Blackfeet), and met other Native American Indians of other nations before. Col. Pappy Boyington does have Native American Indian features. He sort of look like Lori Piestewa the first female soldier to die in the Iraq War. --James 5:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: African-American?

message: I believe the information on the UW rejecting the Boyington memorial should be mentioned in the page, since it was national news. If you don't want it there, please join this discussion instead of anonymously removing the information like someone already did.
Part of this section reads, "Another senator questioned whether the UW should memorialize a person who killed others, and this notion was poorly summarized in the minutes as saying 'she didn’t believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.'" The "poorly" aspect of it is editorializing... unless there is an actual transcript of what was said, we can't really assume that it was summarized poorly, can we? Scot0127 19:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UW Boyington Memorial

message: I have been told that my grandfather was a cousin of 
Pappy Boyington; how can I check that out?
Jeff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jofisher (talk • contribs) 02:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pappy's Cousins?

message: Was Boyington also awarded the Silver Star?  Emperor001 20:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Silver Star

message: He took part in fleet problems...
That doesn't make any sense. Is this merely poorly translated text from a non-English-language source?  If that isn't a direct quote from an English-language source, it should be changed to "fleet exercises" which would make sense.
Shawn D. 04:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Pappy's time Fleet problems were fleet exercises. It's not English, it's Navy, LOL.  o_O   Binksternet (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fleet "Problems"?

message: Why did Boyington need a record saying that he was never married to enter flight school?  Why would it matter?  Emperor001 (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Married

message: :See #UW_Boyington_Memorial section above.
An anon IP editor deleted the section about the UW Boyington Memorial in the article.  As it is reliably sourced and had national news coverage, as mentioned above, a discussion is merited prior to deletion. 
* My comment: Some level of information about the UW Senate response should be included, though the current coverage in the article may have undue weight. — ERcheck (talk) 04:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides POV problems, there is much that is unsourced: malicious emails, "nationwide controversy", etc. It's also far too long, with much of the text either irrelevant details or apparent OR, and World Net Daily is in no way a reliable source. I've cut away much of the obviously dodgy material, although it could probably stand to be trimmed even further. Ergative rlt (talk) 19:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: UW Boyington Memorial revisited

message: The following line "On September 16, 1943 Boyington shot down a F6F (the Pilot survived)." is cited by this forum  and does not contain any evidence that the event happened. The forum cites . After a bit of research the story appears to have come from a Mr. Danny Kennedy, owner/ operator of Adventure Sports Dive Gizo, Solomon Islands. Danny and his wife Kerrie researched the story of pilot Richard "Dick" Moore through the U.S. military archives and then contacted him. Dick actually returned to Gizo and is believed to have made a scuba dive or snorkel on his old Hellcat. While Mr. Kennedy might have done his research the story does not seem to be backed by Boyington's book or the records of the flight times of that day as pointed out by a poster in that forum. Long story short I don't think that the information should be included in the article as a fact. I’m a bit new to the wiki community and would love someone’s feedback on this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerrion (talk • contribs) 06:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shooting down an F6F Hellcat

message: What is the basis for saying his daughter committed suicide? He had 2 daughters, Janet and Gloria, and only Gloria is mentioned as surviving him in his obituary, so it must have been Janet, but I can find no cite for this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.186.161 (talk) 04:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide of Daughter

message: I was looking for a model kit, and found this. I think we can safely say that Pappy is a notable ace! bahamut0013wordsdeeds 19:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability? Check

message: if he was held prisoner by the Japanese, shouldn't his awards also include the POW medal.  could some one please correct this oversight in the main article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.3.98 (talk) 21:16, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military awards 

message: youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3SAAtb3XY  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.133.163 (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Tell The Truth Appearance July 2, 1957 

message: He had  six kills as a so called "volunteer"  for the Flying Tigers. He had 24 kills while flying as a Marine. He gave two kills that were actually his to men in his squadron who died in combat with the enemy so he could give them medals. His real total is 32 kills.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:A500:2A1:4D0:7A52:1EB3:5944 (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirty two kills is his real total. 

message: He claimed 6 kills with the Tigers and chronicled them all in his book. Whether he was truthful is another matter, but as I understand the Marines accepted his claim bringing his total at 28. Surely the article should mention his claim.Emperor001 (talk) 01:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying Tigers Claims 

message: Add CAR TO HIS DECORATIONS 173.49.72.7 (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) should be added