Talk:Hellboy II: The Golden Army

message: I just added a reaction section the other day, based on early reviews, and someone took it down.  Why?  I cited it, and the info was all valid.  A number of other Summer films have reaction/reception sections, even films that have yet to be released...  Why not this one?  I'm gonna go ahead and put it back up.  Please don't take it down...  Even "Dark Knight" got one weeks ago, and it still hasn't even come out yet, and "Hellboy II" opens next week.  MaximumMadnessStixon (talk) 18:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was accidentally removed when an IP tried to restore a fuller Plot section.  Feel free to return the Reception section.  If you want, try to work out some actual reviews -- there should be one from Variety and one from The Hollywood Reporter. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks, I thought it might have been a technical problem, as I saw no reason for it to be taken down.  But, people will sometimes remove info for odd reasons, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't just some super-stickler or something.MaximumMadnessStixon (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, this is from a blog and is not considered a reliable source.  Try to implement reviews from Top Critics: two of them are Variety and The Hollywood Reporter. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the reaction section taken down? 

message: ===1===
*'Pan's Labyrinth' Duo Use Oscar Clout To Make 'Hellboy 2' Their Way
*Hellboy 2's Sapien Swims Into Love
*IESB EXCLUSIVE: Luke Goss Joins Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
*'Hellboy 2' heads to Korda
*'Hellboy 2' Update
*Mignola on his visit to the Hellboy 2 set
*SET VISIT REPORT: HELLBOY II
*Script Review - Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
*Set Visit: Hellboy II: The Golden Army
*Hellboy 2 Set Visit
===2===
*Budapest company bound for 'Hellboy'
*'Hellboy II': Too-Hot-To-Hold Details From Hungarian Set ... Including Talk Of A Threequel
*Hellboy II: The Golden Army: The Set Visit!
*Luke Goss is Hellboy II's Prince Nuada
*Anna Walton is Hellboy II's Princess Nuala
* Selma Blair Returns as Liz Sherman
*Hellboy II's Triple Threat, Doug Jones!
*Selma Blair Interview - Hellboy II
*Luke Goss Interview - Hellboy II
*Doug Jones Interview - Hellboy II
===3===
*Sem-Exclusive: On Set Interview With Luke Goss On Hellboy 2!
* The Creatures of Hellboy II
* Guillermo del Toro from the Set of Hellboy II
*Semi-Exclusive: On Set Interview With Anna Walton On Hellboy 2!
*Anna Walton Interview - Hellboy II
*THE WIZARD Q&A: ‘HELLBOY II’ DIRECTOR GUILLERMO DEL TORO
*THE WIZARD Q&A: 'HELLBOY II' DIRECTOR GUILLERMO DEL TORO, PT.2
*Shock Video: Exclusive Hellboy II Interviews
*Abe Sapien Returns!
*Brad Allan heats up ‘Hellboy 2′
===4===
*Hellboy II Open To Third Film
*Exclusive Interview: DOUG JONES RETURNS TO THE BPRD FOR 'HELLBOY 2: THE GOLDEN ARMY' - PART 1
*Selma Blair Talks Hellboy II: The Golden Army
*Hellboy II: The Golden Army: The Set Visit!
*On Set Interview: Anna Walton as Princess Nuala in Hellboy II: The Golden Army
*Exclusive: Hellboy 2 Video Set Visit!
*Exclusive Interview: MORE FUN WITH DOUG JONES AND 'HELLBOY 2's' GOLDEN ARMY - PART 2
*Set Visit Report - To Hellboy II and Back Again!
*Interview: Luke Goss
*The Creatures of Hellboy II
===5===
*Luke Goss Interview - Hellboy II
*Dark Horse Readies New Hellboy Merchandise
*Mignola on Hellboy's Extended Universe
*Universal rides with Dark Horse
*Raising Hellboy
*FX, Universal ink $100 million deal
*Fairytale of doom
*Universal signs ad deal with Microsoft for Hellboy II
* Update: Del Toro on The Hobbit, Hellboy II & New Project
*Del Toro: Hellboy III Would Be It
===6===
*Guillermo del Toro talks "Hellboy II"
*Guillermo del Toro dreams big on 'Hellboy II: The Rise of the Golden Army'
*The Life Aquatic with Hellboy II’s Doug Jones
*'Wanted,' 'Hellboy' top L.A. Festival
*Del Toro's Hellboy II Notebook
*'Hellboy' A.R.E. unlocks hidden treasures
* Exclusive: HB II's Ron Perlman, Doug Jones & Luke Goss
*Hellboy II: Edit Suite Visit
*Going small to dream big for 'Hellboy'
*Mike Mignola happy as Hellboy II joins the comic-book wave
===7===
*Guillermo del Toro Interview, Hellboy 2
*Poetry in Hellboy
*Guillermo del Toro crafts 'Hellboy II'
*Directing Red: Del Toro talks “Hellboy II”
*Selma Blair Interview, Hellboy 2
*Ron Perlman Interview, Hellboy The Golden Army
*Del Toro Inspired Hellboy II
*Blair Is Stronger In Hellboy II
*Hellboy II Deals With Change
*Jones All Over Hellboy II
===8===
*Exclusive: Guillermo del Toro on 'Hellboy II'
*'Hellboy II' took perseverance
*'Hellboy II': Meet Luke Goss, the New Nemesis
*Hellboy II's Perlman OK With Makeup
*Del Toro's 'Golden Army' of creatures
*'Hellboy' heats up box office race
*'Hellboy II': 'Golden' at the Box Office?
*Crowds will go straight to 'Hellboy'
*Animator Davis Wrangles Golden Bots in Hellboy II
*A Golden Opportunity for Hellboy II
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Headlines

message: *Exclusive: Guillermo del Toro on 'Hellboy II'
*'Hellboy II' took perseverance
*'Hellboy II': Meet Luke Goss, the New Nemesis
*Hellboy II's Perlman OK With Makeup
*Del Toro's 'Golden Army' of creatures
*'Hellboy' heats up box office race
*'Hellboy II': 'Golden' at the Box Office?
*Crowds will go straight to 'Hellboy'
*Animator Davis Wrangles Golden Bots in Hellboy II
*A Golden Opportunity for Hellboy II
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Since this section just has a track listing, it does not seem to contribute to a better understanding of the film.  The listing is easily available at websites for purchasing the soundtrack, so I've removed it in the meantime.  If real-world content can be provided about the tracks in the film, then the listing could be restored. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: I originally wrote a detailed plot synopsis for this film after seeing a very early screening. I was originally thanked for such an addition, but after returning to this page two weeks later, I see it has been replaced with the studio's synopsis. I have again replaced it with my synopsis, which I believe is extremely well-written and covers the film quite well. If it is removed again, I would greatly appreciate the editor to explain why. Thank you! DepTrus (talk) 19:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be removed this time.  The reason it was removed before was that the film was not publicly available to the masses, so your contribution could not be verified by other editors until its wide release.  We usually include the official synopsis of the film, rewritten to be more objective, as a placeholder until the film's public release.  Your revision is fine now, so feel free to review WP:FILMPLOT and make sure that it fits the guideline. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed plot synopsis 

message: Doug Jones plays three characters in this film, as many of you will know. Instead of listing all his characters by importance, they are treated as "subcharacters" to Abe Sapien, merely because they have the same actor. The Angel of Death and the Chamberlain should be moved further down the list, in accordance to their importance in the film. Both characters have precious little screen time. I suggest putting them under Mr. Wink. The Chamberlain is hardly notable as a character. Are there any interviews on him? The Angel of Death stays relevant as a far more important character, and Jones has been interviewed on him. I am going to correct the cast section. --MwNNrules (talk) 05:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Made a mistake: Jones has been interviewed on the role of the Chamberlain. --MwNNrules (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree with this assessment; this is a listing of the cast members who have played so-and-so.  It's not a list of characters, whose actor is then identified.  It is too disjointed to separate Doug Jones's roles where he has been noted in the media for playing these multiple roles.  I don't think that The Angel of Death and The Chamberlain take up too many lines, anyway, so it's not distracting. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but those roles only have a combined screen time of 5 minutes or so, Abe is the predominant role that Jones plays, it's more relevant to showcase that one more by having right next to his name.76.205.80.137 (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough reasoning. --MwNNrules (talk) 20:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess this is a decent enough compromise. :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List cast members by importance and relevance to the plot 

message: I found this a quite interesting influence, however it has not been verified.  Casey14 (talk) 02:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You could look at the headlines above that have not been struck out.  Maybe there is something there. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence by Takahta's Horus: Prince of the Sun?

message: According to this it got mostly good reviews, yet the review section is rather sombre and appears to be mostly negative reviews, shouldn't we change this? --81.156.26.22 (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Stabby Joe (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that the section has mostly negative reviews.  Based on 7.2/10 at RT and 78 at MC, it seems that the reviews are expressing a flawed-but-enjoyable consensus.  It really does not strike me as negative; if anything, it's on the positive side, but not completely.  It seems pretty even-handed, in my opinion. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I look at the RT general reviews than review average (since many of those reviews DON'T have scores and thus find it odd these sites come up with their own) being its 87% (right now?) which the reception doesn't convey... more like a 60% at the moment. By all means have it balanced and not biased but it doesn't appear that is was well recieved as much as it really was. Stabby Joe (talk) 21:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no particular requirement for the review section to reflect the balance of opinion. As long as we cite it prominently at the start of the section, using those Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic scores to say it was received well, I don't see a problem. It doesn't mislead anyone, and it also gives a readers a flavour of what some might not like about the film. It's also worth noting that the reviews average is a particularly tricky thing to rely on in isolation. A largely "meh" review that maybe praises one aspect (say Perlman) will still be counted as a positive one by RT. Steve T  • C 21:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with what Steve said; we reflect at the beginning the general consensus, then we explore a mix of what was liked and disliked about the film.  For the average ratings, reading this may clarify matters. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review Section 

message: hey does anyone know if the language spoken is a real one or what?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thestatue (talk • contribs) 05:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen the film yet, but the actors for Nuala and Nuada practiced ancient Gaelic for their non-English lines.  You can read about it in the Cast section. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 11:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  language  spoken? 

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message: Here is a URL for a screenshot for the Elemental so we can use it in a "Creature design" section when one is eventually written.  Currently, the screenshot can't exist without critical commentary, per WP:FILMNFI. —Erik (talk • contrib) 18:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshot of Elemental 

message: I thought I saw a BPRD handling a Gremlin from the classic movie, those little green freaks that don't like light and multiply by water. Was it what I thought or some other simular creature?--86.128.124.31 (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gremlins in the works 

message: I wouldn't consider this a horror film, but the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Horror Films apparently does. Hellboy II won the Saturn award for Best Horror Film. I'm not sure how to cite sources, so if somebody could add this info to the article, I'd appreciate it (the source, I think, would be http://www.saturnawards.org/). 69.46.243.23 (talk) 14:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saturn Award for Best Horror Film 

message: Maybe someone with an account can add #REDIRECT Hellboy II: The Golden Army to Prince Nuada. For some reason, Prince nuada already redirects here, but it's a person's name so it starts with a capital (as you can also see in this article). --82.171.70.54 (talk) 16:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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