Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 3

message: Should we add the hidden villages that Akatsuki's members came from to their profiles? Obviously we don't know all of them, but it might be worth doing. --AvatarZero 14:26, 24 August 2006 (GMT)
:It's noted at the start of each bio. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the Akatsuki members 

message: After looking it up, I've seen people mentioning that interview. Apparently it's from a Jump Festa interview that says "A nicely designed person will soon make an appearance in Akatsuki. And also a kunoichi of considerable strength." Has anyone seen this interview or is it just a fake? Nemu 18:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a December 18 interview and I'm betting in context he meant Sakura. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sakura was already introduced. My money would be on Yugito, a strong kunoichi introduced at the same time as the new Akatsuki pair. In any case Kishi did not say the kunoichi would be an Akatsuki member. Grrblt 20:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In either case, the flow of his comments at least makes it clear that he doesn't mean the final member, and given that we've had roughly half of Akatsuki introduced in that time-span, I'd say whoever he meant we've seen by now. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unamed member's gender

message: Congrats to everyone on this achievement! - Malomeat 01:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article

message: I went through and removed all of the fields that had a "?" in them. There's really no point in saying over and over again that you don't know the characters age, height, whatever. It helps to avoid clutter.--SeizureDog 17:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a point. It shows that we don't know their age, height, etc. Just leaving the unknowns out could indicate that we forgot to add it in or didn't care about it. Grrblt 09:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least you asked before you went ahead and did it.  Even the official naruto stat book thingy has '?'.  The stats don't NOT exist, we just don't know them yet.  Sure we can go through and add an individual field every time a new bit of information is unveiled.  Its about this time that I wish Wikipedia had a rolling eyes icon.  Put them back.Darkwarriorblake 14:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He makes a point. Having ? fields serves little purpose. Once we get the values we can readd them. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you never seen a movie, comic...anything where no info is available on the character?  They use '?' for info unknown.  The info still exists and so should the field.  Removing them makes the page look retarded and not uniform.  It looks ridiculous right now.Darkwarriorblake 17:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It might serve little purpose, but it serves some purpose. A search on the article for "unknown" gives 11 matches, and all those have been used to show that we, the editors, have thought about an issue and that right now we don't possess the information. ? fields does the exact same thing. If someone new to Akatsuki reads the article and finds "Age: ?" he will immediately understand that information is currently unavailable. But if he sees "Age: 31" on Kisame and no age on Hidan, he might start thinking "hey I want to know Hidan's age, why haven't they listed it?". An encyclopaedia should not only tell what we know, but also what we don't know. ? fields serve the purpose of telling people that we don't know. Grrblt 17:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown fields 

message: Whoever added the references needs to provide information such as publisher and author (or editor or whatever was used). Additionally, it would be nice to start sticking some citations in. Especially if you want to cite information that appeared in a perticular episode (only cite things that might be contested or are details that are easy to miss though).--SeizureDog 18:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Does Zetsu have arms?  I've never seen them.  The leave like things really his arms?  If someone has a picture of him and his arms, post it.  Or hyperlink, please.
:I don't know where exactly you would find a pic of his arms, but he must have arms since he has an identified ring on one of his fingers. Grrblt 12:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zetsu's arms

message: I noticed that on the Akatsuki page it says that Akatsuki means dawn or daybreak. Now I don’t speak or read Japanese but I did some research and found another possible translation. According to my findings Aka can have a couple of different meanings one of them being Bloody then I found out that tsuki means  moon so I believe that Akatsuki could mean Bloody Moon.
I also believe that if that is the case than it could be a reference to an ill omen in the wiccen belief called blood on the moon. One of my reasons for thinking this is that it is a bad omen and I cant think of anything much worse than having a run in with the Akatsuki.
:There was a discussion about that here. -The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Akatsuki  

message: So, in the light of the latest chapter (322) we learn that Kakuzu has the habit of killing his teammates in flashes of rage. Someone reminded me of how, in their introduction, Hidan was introducing himself as the one easy to anger and suggested that perhaps Hidan was just parodying on Kakuzu's violent behaviour. It would explain why Kakuzu, the one with the anger management problem, was all "shut up Hidan", and it fits with Hidan's attitude of not worrying about pissing Kakuzu off (since he can't die). Entire thread here http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=134065 It isn't a proven fact, but I think it makes incredible sense and I'd like to ask you guys if you think we should change the article accordingly. Grrblt 18:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and think it should be changed. Vrtrahex 19:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easy to anger 

message: All the other members have short descriptions about the jutsus and powers characteristic of the respective members.  But when I added some bits about how the leader's justus so far revolve around cloning various elements of other ninja, they were removed.  Why?  The Leader may be mysterious, but there are plenty of things known about him/her for certain.
:Not really. All wre really got on him is a blurry manga pic. 71.212.160.161 01:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense: we don't know what he looks like, but we know many things about what he can do. The manga clearly states that the cloning jutsus are his.  I think what's been added so far about this is now fine and should be kept (though I just deleted ANOTHER "The leader is the Fourth!!" picture someone added! Plunge 16:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why no information on the Leader's jutsus?

message: This article has been removed from the GA list because half of this article's information has "non-notable trivia", is written from an in-universe perspective and it has no inline citations. Tarret 00:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another concern would be stability. It's really too bad that adding speculation doesn't qualify as obvious vandalism. Have we considered semi-protection yet? --tjstrf 21:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We did it once. These people are both persistent and ignorant in their vandalism. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I think it's been done several times. It's unfortunate that pages can't be permanently semi-protected. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did it actually help? Because if so, I'd like to reinstate it even if it is temporary. I don't know about you guys, but my last revert's edit summary was going to be "Revert. You're an obnoxious bastard, go away." until I realized at the last second that it was against WP:BITE and WP:CIV. Having to revert the same page 4 times in 2 hours seems just plain excessive. --tjstrf 21:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it. it does severly cut down on the nonsense. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Request was successful. That should save us some trouble for a while at least. Don't know how long until it expires or whatever. --tjstrf 22:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which sentances? I'll fix 'em. :) -I PWN U ALL 18:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Delisted GA

message: Sasori has enough information on him to make one medium sized artical I mean come on people the dude is died and still doesn't have an artical of his own.  But if there is not enough information ( but I still think there's enough ) then forget it but if there is then please make one or allow me to make one and don't delete it.
:Considering Sai already has a (way too long) article, you may just have a point. --tjstrf 00:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly, but I don't really see the point. It just seems unneeded. Nemu 01:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Sai already has... wait a second, didn't I just answer this? At any rate, if we make one for him, Itachi needs one as well. --tjstrf 01:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Itachi might deserve one once he becomes more prominent in the series again and when his background and motives are truly fleshed out. At his current state, I don't think he needs one. Sasori will unlikely have any more information unless Kishimoto decides to be a dumbass. I think he's fine in this article. Nemu 01:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Naruto just plain has too many characters. --tjstrf 01:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If any member of Akatsuki is given a huge role in the future (Itachi, the Leader), then an article can be made about them then. Sasori's role in the series is already over; his section is fine the way it is. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Artical for Sasori  

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hidan's headband the same as one from the Hidden Grass village? You Can't See Me! 06:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Village? 

message: Seeing as the page is semi-protected right now and we needn't worry too much about our lovely speculation vandals, this seems like an ideal chance to regain GA status.
According to our delister, we have 3 things to fix:
# Too much "non-notable trivia"
# In-universe perspective 
# Lack of inline citations.
Of those, the easiest, though potentially most time consuming is #3. All we need to do is pick facts from the page, find the place where they are first stated, and then use a Source, chapter, page tag to cite the information. #1 Just consists of trimming junk out. The hard one will be in-universe perspective, since that's practically just a judgment call by the reviewer, but it should still be doable.
Let's see... relevant links are WP:Writing about fiction, the good articles guide page, citation guidelines, in-line citation how-to, and Shinigami (Bleach), the Good Article closest in nature to this one. Let's get this thing back up to par! --tjstrf 07:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA article rebuilding 

message: On a minor note, we're the 49th most visited Wikipedia page, receiving nearly 12,000 views per day. I guess that explains all the vandalism we were getting prior to semi-protection. --tjstrf 17:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as Naruto is number 14, it's not strange at all. I also recently saw a "Yahoo top 5 searches thing" from some American News TV, claiming that Naruto was on the list. Apparently, it's a very popular subject and Akatsuki is a large part of it. PS I love it that an article called "lonelygirl15" is 13 on that list :) Grrblt 17:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol at List of sex positions being #11. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sex is obviously on the brains of Wiki-viewers. That list is actually rather depressing. --SeizureDog 20:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That probably comes from Google searches more than the users. Nemu 20:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I only said Wiki-viewers. If it was the users then all of those articles would be featured articles by now...--SeizureDog 21:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Akatsuki in top 100 most visited Wikipedia articles

message: I couldn't find an exact reference for the following article statements by reading through the manga:
* the leader has obliquely referred to their ultimate goal as "obtaining the Demon fox... and everything else."
*It is implied that the cloak helps conceal their actions, especially hand-seals, giving them an edge in battle.
* That ring list. (We really need a reference for this one.)
If anyone could help track these down, I'd be most grateful. --tjstrf 23:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First one: Chapter 238 pages 18-19. Second one seems to be an original research. No clue about the rings. Nemu 23:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Anyone else have a clue on the others? --tjstrf 23:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Second is during Itachi's battle with Kakashi. Kakashi can barely follow Itachi's handsigns. Third is just a compliation of all rings seen thus far. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which chapters did that battle span again? (I can always look for it myself if necessary, but I'd really rather not) And if the third is just a compilation, then why do we have that note about Zetsu's ring that references a list of rings? --tjstrf 23:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hadn't thought of that. Does seem odd. Check the List of Naruto story arcs for a chapter list. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read the battle and I can't seem to find the second one mentioned. It seems to be an observation. Nemu 00:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The ring list was in one of the databooks, I know that. I think it was the second databook. Not sure on where to find images of it. The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Databooks? I have 2 of the 4 mentioned as references at the bottom, but they aren't translated. I'd say where to find them, but we have annoying issues with legality and the like. --tjstrf 00:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you need pages, it's shown on 180-181 of the second databook. Nemu 00:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, found it already. I even found a place with the page scanlated, but the image link for that page (and practically ONLY that page) is broken. Thanks for the help. --tjstrf 00:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that's why it isn't in the article any more. --tjstrf 19:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple reference requests 

message: can we add hidan's ninja village symbol to hidans information this seems like valuable information about hidan and would dismiss the confusion about hidans village hopefully also i think we need a better picture of hidan because the headband hes wearing looks to much like the grass symbol and that confused me at first--Zetsuie 15:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidan's Village and Main Picture== 

message: Ru.spider added this to Tobi trivia:
* The kanji on Tobi's ring (玉) stands for gyoku, the jade general in shogi (玉将). It is a main piece of the black (challenging) side.
I reverted it for now, since the kanji is the first part of Gyokunyo (jade woman) and not Gyokusho (jade general). However, I do think it's kinda interesting and wanted to hear your opinions on whether we could make something of this. Grrblt 10:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably just coincidence, given the real origin of the rings' kanji. --Pentasyllabic 12:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, frankly I do not have any support for this idea, but it struck me once and I've decided to put it here. Perhaps I should have added something like "probably" there. Of course, we can wait to see how the plot goes and whether in chapter five hundred something Shikamaru is going to face Tobi as a head of challenging army ;) --Ru.spider 15:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shogi reference in Tobi/Sasori?