Talk:Felice Beato

message: I came across two problems while writing this article. First, Beato is constantly listed as a British photographer...but he was born in Italy. I could not find any information about his early life, so I figure he probably moved to England early in his life. Secondly, no birth years or death years match up. I've seen 1830, 1825, and 1820 for birth years and 1906, 1907, and 1908 for death years. I have no clue which years are correct and so no dates were included in the article.  — Aurora (Say hi!) 05:28, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
:I'll be adding many more details of Beato's life as well as links to possible articles on his brother, Antonio, and others. The existing "James Robertson" link needs to be corrected (not the right James Robertson).Pinkville 19:23, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been pretty well established that Beato and his brother Antonio were born on the Island of Corfu near Greece, which was then part of the British Empire to a British father (hence British citizenship) and an Italian mother.  The family then moved and lived on the island of Malta.  The brothers were later hired and taught photography by James Robertson, who married their sister.  I have lots more details on his life but don't know how this system of editing articles exactly works, so I am posting this here.  By the way, I don't think anyone knows the exact date of his death, but the most likely one is 1908.  He died apparently in Burma.  Photoarts 00:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article describes Felice's origins in Corfu and consequent British citizenship, and the marriage of Robertson to Felice and Antonio's sister, but some of the bits of information you mention I have not come across in any research (I wrote and researched the vast majority of this article). Can you provide references for the following: Antonio being born in Corfu (and maybe a date), British father and Italian mother, family move to Malta, and exactly why you suspect he died in 1908? Of these items, the only one I have seen before is the possible death date of 1908, so I'm very intrigued by your post and your promise of "lots more details". Please post any references or other replies here, but if you'd like to discuss related issues more generally, you can post a message on my talk page. I look forward to futher discussion! Thanks. Pinkville 02:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, Pinkville, but you must have done the revise/update to the page after I reviewed it.  None of this data was on the page at the point that I reviewed it (in fact it was full of errors and pretty skimpy).  You've done an admirable job pulling together this detailed data on Beato, and the article reads very well.  I will try to get the research that you requested pulled together on some of your questions and either repost here or on your talk page.  I'm just not sure when.  Probably after my next nervous breakdown. By the way, his photos of the Sudan certainly have survived.  I have even owned one myself.Photoarts 02:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, and thanks. I think what probably happened is that you came across the article during one of its vandalism phases, because most of the information I mentioned has been present in it since last November (since then there have been several updates to the article, which is otherwise generally the same). I do indeed hope to see your research sometime soon - and hopefully without any accompanying nervous breakdown! Ciao! Pinkville 02:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins & identity

message: An explanation is given of 1834 as a possible year of birth, but nothing is said about the candidature of 1825. Could something be added please? Honbicot 08:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as it's possible (the sources give no details) I've explained the 1825 date. Pinkville 17:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The 1825 date

message: can anybody tell me??
How I can add a new page??
Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadia ismael (talk • contribs) 16:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How I can add a new page?? 

message: Hello, here is an external link to an interesting and rare gallery that i added but was deleted by a meta user.
*F Beato: 150 photos from "Metadata Database of Japanese Old Photographs in Bakumatsu-Meiji Periods" (english version) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.90.44.39 (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I deleted that link since it is already listed in the references ("Nagasaki University Library"). Thanks though. Pinkville 17:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An external link to a gallery 

message: Can we get temporary protection to deter chronic vandalism about anal intercourse? Freedomlinux 02:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or at least a citation to support the notion that Beato liked it up the bum... :~) Pinkville 02:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: On this edit: What's bad about having the ToC float? -- Hoary 06:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ToC floating (or not)

message: Look at these, the first photo (from the 1860's) appears to be a color photograph. (The earliest known color photo is from 1861). Is this real, or did someone "photoshop" it at some point? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Samurai.jpg
Here's another one, but more fated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Satsuma-samurai-during-boshin-war-period.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russianspy3 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These are hand-coloured albumen print photographs, not colour photographs, but correctly dated original images. Pinkville (talk) 23:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest color photographs? 

message: Probably ought to explain that last edit. There appear to be about 50 photos in the collection of The National Archives of photographs by Beato of Egypt and the Sudan taken c.1885.
You can see the list
here
--62.25.109.195 (talk) 14:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. I've seen this list before, and it may well be true that the Sudan photos listed are by Beato, but without any further supporting evidence we can't be sure. I would love to see the actual images and I imagine some researcher will eventually get around to confirming whether they are Beato's work or not. (For that matter, they might be by Felice's brother, Antonio - also a photographer - who lived and worked in Egypt!). Until such comfirmation, it remains true that none are known to have survived. I also reverted the addition of "Egypt" because earlier in his career Felice Beato made many photos in that country and so the statement that very few of his Egypt photos have survived is misleading. Pinkville (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Two things. Firstly, I've actually seen these photographs. I'll have to see about getting them up on The National Archives Flickr page. Secondly, you misunderstand what these records are. Each one of the images (a number of which are fabulous by the way) is attached to a signed form attesting to the authorship of the photograph for copyright purposes. (Hence the catalogue references of COPY 1) I am that researcher. You couldn't get a clearer attribution! --Mr impossible (talk) 17:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sudan Photos 

message: Yes, the article has problems. I thought that fixing disambigs would be easily, and so I lazily decided to do that alone today. My job looked easier when I found that there was only one link to a disambig page. Unfortunately I can't confidently choose among two of the options provided. I therefore asked here. 
Which I bother to relate here mostly in order to avoid the impression that nobody cares about the problems in this article or about having these fixed. -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ling.Nut has kindly fixed the disambig. So now this article has one fewer species of problem. -- Hoary (talk) 03:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Beitang"

message: I've pulled out:
;: Imperial Summer Palace before the Burning, Yuen-Ming-Yuen (sic), Pekin, October 18th, 1860
::View of the Belvedere of the God of Literature [Wen Chang Di Jun Ge] (now known as the Studio of Literary Prosperity or Wen Chang Ge), Garden of the Clear Ripples [Qing Yi Yuan] (now known as the Summer Palace or Yihe Yuan), Peking (now Beijing), China, 1860
because the link doesn't work. The Peabody Essex Museum website still exists but I can't find the photograph within it. But perhaps PEM will eventually improve its site so that it will be findable. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Imperial Summer Palace before the Burning''

message: All that are provided work. (Try for yourself.) Or anyway they did a few minutes ago. -- Hoary (talk) 05:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just copy all the images to Commons and provide a gallery on the page?  They're all PD by now. Jpatokal (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I am planning on putting this up for FAR, but I would like to post my concerns on the talk page first. The major problems with the article is the lack of references, like in the sections "Japan" and "Later Years". Also, there should be a removal of the "Selected photographs" as its irrelevant.  GamerPro64 17:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I now have material for a lot of small improvements; these should be in place within 24 hours. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR comments 

message: Of Beato's trip to Korea, we read that:
:The views Beato took on this expedition are the earliest confirmed photographs of the country and its inhabitants.
Which was unsourced. 
Choi Injin and Park Juseok's book The Century of Korean Photography: Images from the Land of the Morning Calm (Seoul: RIHP, 2001; no ISBN) doesn't mention Beato or any other very early photographer by name, but does talk of a military photographer with a French squadron in 1866. This would predate Beato. Choi and Park only mention such very early photography in passing, but a statement sourced laconically trumps another not sourced at all. I therefore removed the assertion. The assertion may well be correct, but if so then let's see a source. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now kind-of fixed. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea 

message: A lot of the references weren't actually cited. I've therefore removed them, but I reproduce them below. -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited references

message: I originally put a Talk comment here asking someone to do this, but I think I figured out how to do it OK. If not of course someone can improve or correct it. 
Hanamizu (talk) 04:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'See Also' Section Added with Reference to the Film "Felice, Felice" 

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message: I was reviewing this article as part of WP:URFA/2020 for a potential WP:TFA run in January. However, when skimming the article I noticed that there are lots of uncited passages, including most of "Burma and later years" and information about his death certificate. Is anyone willing to review this article, add citations and potentially look for additional sources that might be included in this article? If not, I will nominate this for WP:FAR.  the FAC nominator,  who participated in the 2011 FAR. Z1720 (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I can dig up the citations for the passages you mention and any others that require the same. It might take a little while, but as the principal writer/editor of the article I should still have the relevant notes.  Pinkville (talk) 04:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Were you able to find additional sources? I noticed that "Burma and later years" is still largely uncited. Z1720 (talk) 01:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I've been waiting to get access to the relevant sources. Should be able to update soon. Pinkville (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you still interested in updating this article? Z1720 (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I recently was able to lay my hands on the necessary sources. I should be able to do some work on it soon. Pinkville (talk) 04:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:URFA/2020]] review