Talk:Nirvikalpa

message: In my extensive rewrite of the Nirvikalpa article, an effort was made to avoid suggesting 
any particular school, discipline or guru presented greater truth about Nirvikalpa Samadhi 
than any other. In this respect- it would seem that outside links that promoted proprietary 
approaches to the topic are inappropriate as there are thousands of sources promoting 
disparate views. In my opinion the only links that are appropriate in the present list under 
Outside Links are The Wanderling 
and The Method of Early Advaita Vedanta - which take a scholarly approach to the subject. I've added a spam alert to the External Links section and will wait for input from other editors on the overall article to further address the links issue. Mayagaia 19:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links Issues 

message: I have removed the spam alert as I think it is not the correct aproach to this. I myself know nothing about yoga but if indeed the links provided in the article are not serious, but instead some kind of publicity, then removing them and either posting a "we need links" message in the talk page or getting some is probably the best way to go about it.
Cordial Greetings--Tsboncompte 04:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK- sounds reasonable to me - thanks for the input Mayagaia 18:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply 

message: I have removed some of the material that is not supported by WP:RS and have placed an "Unreliable" tag on this poorly-sourced article.  Use of web sites as sources is problematic in many cases, and those sites must still comply with the requirements of WP:RS and WP:EL.  Personal web sites and sites that cite no reliable sources cannot be used to source Wikipedia articles.  Apparently this term is used in Western occultism or New Age thinking in ways that do not correspond with its use as a technical term in Hinduism.  "Nirvikalpa" is a Sanskrit adjective meaning "non-discursive" when applied to the subject of thought (for this definition see: , p. 111. Obviously a great deal of additional interpretation about this type of mentation has been done by various people.  However the technical term could be pointed out and sourced. 
As a technical term in Buddhist scripture, according to Franklin Edgerton's Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit Grammar and Dictionary the expression nirvikalpayati means "makes free from uncertainty (or false discrimination) = distinguishes, considers carefully and adds a basic note that the term means "free from vikalpa" (which is a common Sanskrit word meaning a type of metal error). Vikalpa is a type of mental error defined in YS 1.9, and since it is a basic term in Raja Yoga there are numerous commentaries on what it means. Buddhipriya 22:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for WP:RS 

message: The reference *Hazelton, Joan. "The Relation of States of Consciousness and Stages of Consciousness",
Shambala Publications, 2005 is to comments by Joan Hazelton in an account published in the Shambala website of what are aspects of integral concepts including those of Ken Wilber.
It is more accurate to attribute the commentary to JH than to KW. Mayagaia 17:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: on further reflection- since the lecture by JH is a third-person account of what are essentially the concepts of Ken Wilber and JH is indorsed by Shambala as an authority on that subject- it would be more correct (and useful) to attribute the citation to Ken Wilber so I reverted his name back. Mayagaia 15:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Reverting Citation back to Joan Hazelton 

message: Other technical choices could be "Semantics" or "Syntax" but each of these terms are included in Etymology dictionaries.
In the book The Sanskrit Language by Thomas Burrow, p55- "The most striking syntactical development is the increasing tendency to use compound words and the increasing length and complexity of the compounds used."
Since an authority like Burrow brings the subject of compounding of Sanskrit words under the heading of syntax which can be an attribute of Etymology, I suggest the present section entitled- "Usage in compounds" be changed to "Etymology" which is a more general and familiar term. Mayagaia 16:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest "Etymology" replace title- "Usage in Compounds" 

message: No reference has been cited making these connections of "analogous concepts" to "nirvikalpa (samadhi)".  The references appear to be to works on the terms analogized, but in a random sampling, none of them said anything about "nirvikalpa samadhi" specifically.  That's still okay if someone else made all these connections, but no such reference has been provided (and I seriously doubt one exists that would meet WP:RS).  This entire section is WP:OR and a WP:COATRACK. rudra (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Analogous Concepts"