Talk:Tertiary education fees in Australia

message: The article says Commonwealth supported places are available to citizens of Australia and New Zealand and some Australian permanent residents.
It is my understanding that commonwealth supported places are available to all Australian permanent residents, however HELP is only available to Australian citizens and permanent residents who hold an humanitarian permanent residency visa.  New Zealand citizens and all other classes of permanent resident have no access to HELP (meaning that they have to pay the student contribution up front).
(The exception is people who are permanent residents, and somehow manage to not be resident in Australia while undertaking the units for which they are claiming a commonwealth contribution).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by P1mason (talk • contribs) 06:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Commonwealth Supported Places - Permanent Residents

message: I seem to recall that there was always the option of paying HECS up front at a discounted rate.  This should be mentioned if it's true.
The article says "When introduced it was a fee charged to all university students of $1,800" -- what was the basis of the fee?  Per-subject?  Did part-time students pay the same as full-time students?  From my limited time at uni, I seem to recall it being based on class hours or credit points or something.  It then goes on to say "When first introduced, your HECS was roughly AU$2000 per year of full-time study, irrespective of course or institution." so these should be made consistent
Shermozle 17:26, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
According to the Universities Australia website the discount when HECS was first introduced in 1989 was 15%, it was then increased to 25% in 1993 and dropped back to 20% in 2005. 
The annual rate of $1,800 was for a standard full time student, so those studying more or less than full time are charged pro rata. I'll try and write some of this up properly when I have a little more time.
Krisgesling (talk) 04:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History improvements 

message: "HECS-HELP (formerly HECS) maintains the same principles of HECS, however have since undergone major changes."
I'm not quite sure what this is trying to get at. HECS-HELP was an intermediate plan that followed HECS and has now undergone major changes to become HELP?  (I don't live in Australia so I'm not up on the latest wranglings over this.)
Shermozle 17:35, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
It's not that difficult. HECS-HELP is the same as the HECS payment system, it still maintains the same method of deferring university tuition, the main difference is the large 25% increase in tuition costs, and the government's decision to limit access to education after only 8 years. Hope that helps. -- PSYCH 12:29, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

message: I received my HELP statement with the new threshold for compulsory repayment. I will update the table.
cheers Visik 13:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: compulsory repayment for 2006-07 year

message: What happened to all information about the limitations to education? There is now no mention on the maximum 6 year (12 full-time semester maximum) entitlement to study. Quite a serious limitation, I don't know why it was removed. Someperson203 13:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how no one responded, I'll revert that section to add the facts. If anyone objects, discuss it here. 08:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limits on Education 

message: There are many tertiary courses that aren't covered by the schemes mentioned. The history of tertiary education in Australia goes back to the Mechanics Institutes that predate the Universities. matturn 01:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point. University-centric people (like me) probably tend to think of universities when they hear the term "tertiary education". However, tafes are obviously also tertiary education institutions. In fact, I would say the term 'tertiary education' is only really useful because it includes universities and other institutions like tafes (if we only want to talk about universities, then we can just say 'university education'). This article (as it is now) is really only about university education fees. Maybe the best way to go is to use the language of the schemes that the article is talking about - ie: "higher education". Then again, this is not very clear language. I guess the best way to go would be to  leave the article as being about "tertiary education fees", and include material about tafes, etc. -- DonkeyKong64 (Mathematician in training) 16:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TAFE is Tertiary too

message: I'm currently a uni student, VP of the North in the TUU and there's nothing on this article about the problems with the HECS/HELP scheme even though it's much talked about among uni students in Australia particularly among student council reps. There should be something on here about how many students don't pay off their HECs debt, going overseas or even dying before their HECs can be paid off. This should be on here, it's a serious issue. I'll try and put something together. Katana Geldar 09:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems with HECs/HELP

message: In the introductory paragraph it talks about domestic unsupported students paying up to $100,000 however it was my impression that the Rudd Government removed Domestic Undergraduate Full Fee (DUFF) places. When I get a chance I'll track down some reference and perhaps add it to the history.
Krisgesling (talk) 05:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Domestic Undergraduate Full Fee places 

message: Current content is excessively skewed toward undergraduate Bachelors courses.  Besides non-university education (TAFE), there are also shorter university courses (Diplomas?) and more advanced university courses (Masters, PhD) that should be covered.  
—DIV (2002:6575:32AB:0:0:0:6575:32AB (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Bachelors courses 

message: I work in a university but got confused by the end of the second para of the lede. Could someone who really knows this stuff please sort the article out?  Particularly by separating (a) review of the history from (b) setting out what a student needs to know right now. If the 2014 Budget proposals go through and are then simply incorporated here, I fear that the article will be of little use to anybody. Wikiain (talk) 02:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The current fees are at http://studyassist.gov.au/sites/studyassist/helppayingmyfees/csps/pages/student-contribution-amounts#2014 TRS-80 (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help this article 

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message: The history section seems to focus too much on certain details while leaving the major policy implications unmentioned. For example there's a lot of text devoted to the "SLE" and other limits but not much talk of changes to the discount system or valuation of courses or the repayment system. There were lots of changes in the 90s.
I've found a really good source for this info here
--Zyzzek (talk) 02:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear up the history 

message: I'm not fit to edit myself, but thought it important to mention that this year, 2020, the fee structures for Commonwealth Supported Places in the HECS scheme has been overhauled, with STEM & agricultural fields being subsidised dramatically more and humanities fields dramatically less:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/what-university-fees-increasing-how-funding-works/12381362
~Angus Small
Rates change every year. New rates are at https://www.dese.gov.au/higher-education-loan-program/approved-hep-information/funding-clusters-and-indexed-rates 
~chris w  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wongcr (talk • contribs) 00:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 Australian University Fee Adjustments 

message: This section is currently fairly subjective and should at least have a reference to an economic paper for increased university participation increasing future government tax revenue that is sufficient to pay off the debt incurred at the current participation rate. In particular, whether the increased tax revenue is always tenable subject to interest rate and if the probability of brain drain out of the country would impact on such an argument.
At the very least, the subjective sentence at the end of the section should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:79A0:A400:EC08:165:A408:B786 (talk) 04:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abolition of University Fees