Talk:Advocacy group

message: The standard academic term for this is "interest group" (at least in the U.S.) and Google suggests that it the most common term as well; unless there's any objection I'd like to move this to "interest group." Christopher Parham (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Interest group

message: Add section on "interest group theory" although may be better off in lobbying (once merged with Interest representation: Academic overview)? Links:
*http://www.politicalscience.utoledo.edu/faculty/davis/IGelite.htm
Madmedea 09:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To do?

message: It appears to be about the same subject.  Should it be merged into this article?  -- de Facto (talk). 10:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. There are big differences now. See recent edits. Rowmn (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Advocacy is a process which may be carried out by a group or an individual, Advocacy groups (or interest groups) do seem to warrant a separate article. PeterEastern (talk) 13:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge here of [[Advocacy]] 

message: This page is a bit vague.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.189.119 (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vague?

message: My conclusion is that Interest group is too general for this article and that the IRS term of Advocacy group would be more appropriate (which also works well for us here in the UK). I therefore propose to make the following changes:-
#Move this article to Advocacy group
#Change Interest group into a disambiguation page and use the proposed text below as an introductory paragraph
#Change the following redirect pages to links to link directly to Advocacy group: Pressure group, Lobby group, Pressure groups, Lobbying group, Lobby groups, Advocacy groups
#Leaving the following redirects pointing to Interest group and then through the linked articles over time and redirect them appropriately:  Special interest, Special interests, Interest groups, Special Interest
#Delete the following redirect pages (unused or only referred to from use talk pages): Slogan 'special interest', Interest Group, Political pressure group 
PeterEastern (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does no-one have an opinion on the above? This is an important article with some 22,000 views a month so needs to be right. I will go ahead soon with a 'proposed move tag' on the article to see if that gets any more response. I have just been through all the articles that used the special interest group redirect and changed them to Advocacy group or Lobby group or left them alone as appropriate. I will work on the direct links now.PeterEastern (talk) 07:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The move is complicated by the fact that the Advocacy group article used  to be a live article for this subject before the content was 'cut and pasted' into its current location and therefore has a history of its own. Given its history non-administrators can't do a simple move. I will request that an administrator does the move today. PeterEastern (talk) 07:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The instructions for requesting an admin-moves seems unclear and admin may pick it up automatically - as such I will just wait and see if someone does it and then do any necessary cleanup afterwards. PeterEastern (talk) 09:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, splitting off material into an article which is now a redirect is no problem; simply cut and paste that section or other text.  Moving to a name that is now a redirect will require deleting the redirect, which is an Admin job.  Jim.henderson (talk) 12:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, however Advocacy group is indeed currently a redirect so is this an admin task or can I do it? I believe that I can cut and paste content from this article into the Advocacy group article over the top of the redirect and then insert the new disambiguation text into this article. Given that both pages have histories then that might well be the best way to maintain the complete history for the article - indeed it is probably the only way to maintain the complete histories. I will wait for clearer guidance on the matter but suggest that this might be the appropriate course of action.PeterEastern (talk) 12:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so I have now moved the content to the Advocacy group page using cut/paste and have changed a bunch of re-directs to point to it (including one from this article). I have created a link back to this talk page from the Advocacy group talk page for reference and have created a Interest group (disambiguation) page to tease out other uses of Interest group. I will now go through more of the links to this 'Interest Group' page and resolve them to the appropriate other page over the next week or so. Should I now change the 'move' tag at the start of this section or what to indicate that the 'move' has been completed.? PeterEastern (talk) 15:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed actions

message: :Support the move in general. The term advocacy group seems more specific to me.  "Interest Group" is a term I often see applied to entirely non-political groups (e.g., SIGs (special interest groups) of the IEEE).  I realize this is a pervasive change, but as near as I can tell it's quite sensible.  --Joe Decker (talk) 00:10, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I have been giving this a lot of thought over the past few days and now see that interest group is much wider than advocacy group and that advocacy group is a type of interest groups but that interest group is also used as a euphemism for advocacy group and lobbying group but that it is more helpful to keep the concepts clearer. It may be appropriate at some point to move Special Interest group to fill the 'interest group' disambiguation page with a clear link to advocacy and lobbying in the lead. Personally I think that is probably the best long term position, but lets see if this move is successful first. I may do some work on the special interest group article now to make the relationship clearer. PeterEastern (talk) 07:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: vote

message: * The content on this page has been moved back from Interest group as per discussion on talk:Interest group. I have left the talk page contents on that page for now. The move was achieved using 'cut paste' due to both articles having history associated with them.PeterEastern (talk) 14:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from Interest group

message: There is some debate about where this article should redirect to, either to Advocacy group or to Interest group (disambiguation). Given that this page used to be the location for the advocacy group article I suggest that it should go straight to Advocacy group for now until more of the links into this article are adjusted to point directly to Advocacy group . There must be some 200 links into this article with some 1,000 views per day. PeterEastern (talk) 15:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say I'm entirely mystified by what you are trying to accomplish these moves. This page is advocacy group. It cannot redirect to itself, and it's not clear why it would link to a disambiguation page which links back here. (The premise of a disambiguation page where both main topics are covered on the same page is confusing in itself). As far as I can tell, the entire effective difference between the two terms is due to regional usage; it should probably return to interest group on the basis of WP:RETAIN. Christopher Parham (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I understand now - there is also a redirect on talk:interest group which is where I intended to leave the above comment. I fully understand why you are confused but hopefully it makes more sense as a comment about the Interest group redirect. For the avoidance of doubt the question is simply about whether Interest group should redirect here or to Interest group (disambiguation). Would it be appropriate to remove the redirect from that talk page and to move the above comment to the place where I intended to put it? PeterEastern (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interest group should absolutely redirect here. Almost all the uses of the term refer to the usage discussed here. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear we are talking about the redirect of the talk page, not the redirect of the article itself. I have now removed the redirect on talk:Interest group and have placed the above comment on it. I think everything is now sorted out ok - I hope others agree. PeterEastern (talk) 20:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-direct to where? 

message: I'm not sure this section is very useful. It just contains a list of pressure groups with generally conflicting objectives, and it's not true that these groups are direct adversaries. The suggestion that the The Automobile Association and the Pedestrian's Association are directly in conflict is particularly contentious. --Ef80 (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adversarial groups 

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message: Much like the article evaluation posted on the Talk Page for Lobbying, certain sections of the article reveal a biased viewpoint. On a whole, the article does well to remain neutral especially in regards to such a controversial topic, but there do exist examples of slight bias leaking through. Under the Influence section, for instance, a claim is made that "large businesses... are key producers within their countries economy, and therefore, their interests are important to the government as their contribution are important to the economy." While this may be an assumption made by the general population, this claim cannot be made without a proper citation. As it stands without a citation, this statement can be construed as anti-big business. Shrino (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation 

message: I propose merging Classification of advocacy groups, Special interest group, Foreign policy interest group and Ethnic interest group  into Advocacy group. I think the content in these articles can easily be explained within Advocacy group (which is the topic they all overlap with or firmly belong within), and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Advocacy group. The four articles appear to be largely WP:OR or linked to scholarship by a few individuals. I fail to see why this content couldn't be covered within the Advocacy group article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 04:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: is there still interest in this? Klbrain (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose. These concepts are sufficiently distinct to merit the separate articles. Libcub (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: How do advocacy groups operate under neo-pluralism? Could this section be elaborated upon a bit more, and include a helpful link as well?Iisabellasanch (talk) 23:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo-pluralism elaboration  

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelica.gnlz (talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Global Poverty and Practice

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Special interest and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 16#Special interest until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  QueenofBithynia (talk) 20:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Special interest" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]