Talk:Marsupial

message: I work for a pest control company in Riverside County, California (southern California), and we catch Virginia opossums quite often. The "introduced range" on the map is in need of an update.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.149.61 (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Range Map Incomplete

message: Should we be using this for the Scientific classification tables or the Metatheria subclass? The Metatheria page seems to say that it is a more modern classification.    The University of Michigan Museum of Biology uses Metatheria. I will not change it because I am not an animal scientist.  -- PlatinumX 02:36, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This article contradicts with Mammalia and many others, because of Marsupialia / Metatheria. I think it must be fixed as soon as possible, but - no changes since 30 May 2004. On the other hand, if the infraclass is Metatheria, then what is Marsupialia - just some abstract group within Metatheria? Or has it scientific taxonomic name too? --78.61.94.98 13:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In simple terms (although I am not a scientist) mammals are raising their young with the help of their mammalian glands, whether in a pouch or outside. Marsupials are born in an embryo like state and then develop in the pouch. There is no placenta. Animals that have a placenta (and larger womb) are also mammals and these are the ones we think of usually. 
Because we cannot see the mammalian glands which are in pouches, we tend to think marsupials are not mammals. Just goes to show, if you do not see it, that does not mean it does not exist. 121.209.56.25 (talk) 06:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Metatheria/Marsupialia

message: I don't think this classification (McKenna & Bell's, apparently) is a good one. The Ameridelphia is probably paraphyletic. I think my own classification (Mammal Taxonomy is better and the Metatheria and Marsupialia pages should be merged. Ucucha 14:28, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy 

message: In the opening line of the article, it says that marsupials are characterized by a pouch. This is untrue. The true defining characteristic of a marsupial is that it gives birth to its offspring at a young, undeveloped age (prematurely). This is the biological taxonomically correct reason for their classification.75.130.49.102 (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pouch Clarification 

message: There appear to be a few footnotes, but they aren't referenced at the bottom of the article.  Shouldn't they be?  Also, the author references "M.J. Spechtt" with respect to the Marsupials and Placentials evolving independently.  That's an interesting fact, and I would love to read the reference.  But if the reference is not well accepted, I'd like to know that.  OrangeMarlin 19:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any online reference to an MJ Spechtt - not on google, not at pubmed.  The only place it appears is in mirrors of wikipedia.  The closest I could find were: a JM Specht who works in cancer; an RL Specht who has done some research into the plants that marsupials eat; a Chelsea Specht who works in plant evolution.  I think this reference is fraudulent and should be removed. google "Spechtt marsupial -1982" or "Spechtt evolution -1982" (the last flag removes nearly all the wikipedia mirrors).  If there were a biologist/paleontologist named spechtt or specht who worked in this area, these searches would not come up empty. Flies 1 (talk) 22:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed ", first presented by researcher M.J. Spechtt in 1982,". - UtherSRG (talk) 04:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The first part of the article says that there are between 260 and 280 species of marsupials, but in the second part of the article the sum of the numbers of species in the orders is 334!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.131.10.241 (talk • contribs) .
:Fixed. The lower section numbers wer updated, but the upper seciton had not been. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of species 

message: Since the subclass rank is already occupied by Theria, of which Marsupiala is a subdivision, Marsupiala should be an infraclass. The Theria page confirms this. Jerkov 13:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have mostly encountered Metatheria as a monotypic (for present times) infraclass, not marsupialia (most times treated as a class or superclass by older and propably not very accurate literature). Even in wikipedia it is stated that metatheria and marsupialia are not completely synonymous while they are both treated as infraclasses. Can we have an experts' opinion on that please?--92.118.191.48 (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infraclass, not subclass 

message: I added marsupial frogs but UtherSRG removed them.  Why?  Are not marsupial frogs marsupial?  Is convergent evolution a reason why marsupial frogs are not marsupial enough to appear on the marsupial page? --SafeLibraries 17:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they already have an article, marsupial frog, which I put a link to at the top of the article where it belongs. In addition "marsupial frog" is unique, while "marsupial mammal" is redundant - the frogs are named for the mammal. "Marsupial" by itself with no context refers to the mammal; it only refers to the frogs in the context of the frogs. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see now.  I missed before that "This article is about mammal. For the frogs, see marsupial frog" was added to the top of the page.  That's a great solution.  Thanks.  --SafeLibraries 18:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marsupial Frogs 

message: I'd like to see a little more about (or links to) the continental drift theories explaining why there are marsupials in Australia and South America but not in Africa.  Were there marsupials in Antarctica, Madagasgar and India?  I'd love to see a map showing the pre-drifted continents with a hypothetical "homeland" of the marsupials shaded in. User:bigfun 21:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Marsupials probably originated in North America and - in contrast to most placentals - reached both South America and Australia. They survived in Eurasia and North America (I'm not sure about Africa) until sometime in the Miocene; their extinction was probably caused by climatic changes. Ucucha 18:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I am unable to understand all that you are writing here, but you appear to be omitting the fact that there (to the best of my knowledge) are no Mesozoic marsupials anywhere in Gondwana. Instead, there is a large variety of Cretaceous North American marsupials, and there are also some from Asia. Ucucha 19:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ancestral homeland?

message: this article is a bit thin, could saome one go into more detail? maybe list a few more marsupials? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.238.48.40 (talk • contribs).
:Someone had vandalized the page. I've fixed it. - UtherSRG (talk) 06:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: more info?

message: what makes   Marsupial mammal in the family Macropodidae different to other animals —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.160.120.242 (talk • contribs).
:Have you read Marsupial and Macropodidae? - UtherSRG (talk) 13:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macropods 

message: The speculation that marsupials may have reached Australia via south-east Asia is so absurd that it shouldn't even be raised in this article.  Marsupials have existed in Australia long before Australia drifted anywhere near Asia.  The assertion that marsupials co-exist with "primates, hoofed mammals and other placentals" in Indonesia is false, as it overlooks the fact that they are separated by the Wallace Line, a deep channel in the sea within Indonesia that has insured that the eastern part (east of Lombok Strait) has never been connected by a land bridge to the western part during periods of low sea level.  Thus only a few flying mammals and rodents (which presumably caught a ride on floating logs) have managed to cross.
--59.154.24.148 (talk) 07:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  south-east asian origin 

message: The opening paragraph suggests that the only major difference between marsupials and placentals is their respective reproductive systems. This is misleading. For one thing, marsupials and monotremes lack corpora callosa. Not sure where to mention this, as the opening paragraph of this article already seems a bit overlarge, but this is hardly enough data to justify a new section. 89.0.101.51 (talk) 13:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have verifiable and reliable source that you can cite? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Walker's Mammals of the World, 6th Edition, Volume I, page 5.
"The brain of the marsupials, like that of the monotremes, lacks a corpus callosum [...]"
The same paragraph also mentions dentition and cranial characteristics. WorldAsWill (talk) 04:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marsupial neurology 

message: Marsupials have a cloaca that is connected to a urogenital sac in both sexes.
In what way is this sac urogenital? The text explains how it serves a role in waste removal, but has it got a genital role as well? Shinobu (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please clarify the cloaca bit 

message: The distinction between a placental mammal and a marsupial one is soft tissue which wouldn't normally be fossilized. I presume there are female pelvic differences that are taken as evidence. Whatever the method it should be made clear.  72.228.150.44 (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are distinct skeletal differences between marsupials and placental mammals - although it's not the pelvis that is crucial, and, indeed many marsupial fossils are known only from parts of the skull. I'll add something to the article to clarify the issue. Anaxial (talk) 21:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification of a species known only thru fossil record 

message: The Joey (marsupial) article is proposed for merging into this one.  
If this were to go ahead, please amend Kangaroo accordingly. Earthlyreason (talk) 15:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the merging. Figaro (talk) 15:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Makes sense to me, too. Anaxial (talk) 17:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree, too, because the stub article really has no reason to be apart from the main topic --Cyndaquazy (talk) 21:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree. Wikislemur (talk) 01:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge 'Joey' into this article

message: The page is incorrect, or at least vague, about the details of the marsupial reproductive system. Here's the problematic statement:
"Females have two vaginas, both of which open externally through one orifice but lead to different compartments within the uterus."
Most sources describe marsupials as having two lateral vaginas (for mating), along with a median vagina (for birth). The latter can be transitory or permanent. (One of the documents the page refers to the median vagina as a "pseudovaginal canal", which I haven't seen anywhere else.) The two lateral vaginas open into two uteruses, or a "double-horned (bicornuate) uterus".
Walker's Mammals of the World goes into some detail in chapter 1. MacDonald's Encyclopedia of Mammals is much briefer, but mentions the "double-horned (bicornuate) uterus". There are some illustrations of the internal reproductive organs in Stephen Jackson's Koala: Origins of an Icon.
WorldAsWill (talk) 04:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple vaginas

message: can someone check the petrosal link is right pls, there was no link from it before and most people won't know what it means, Tom B (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks correct to me; I'm not aware of another meaning of the word "petrosal" - albeit it's a separate bone in marsupials, not a part of a fused temporal bone, as in humans. (Although I agree a link was needed!) Anaxial (talk) 21:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petrosal 

message: http://www.biologia.ufrj.br/labs/labvert/Artigos/GEB13_439.pdf Andrew Colvin • Talk 21:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helpful paper for marsupials 

message: According to the article, "In Australia, marsupials displaced any placental mammals entirely, and have since dominated the Australian ecosystem." The source is The Ancestor's Tale, by Richard Dawkins. I asked the good folks at http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=5165 about this and someone said that nothing to this effect was in the book. Can anyone verify or refute this? Zhoulikan (talk) 03:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's false, as far as I know; bats have been present in Australia since the Eocene. Ucucha 03:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marsupials Displacing Australian Placentals 

message: Could that be added? Will (Talk - contribs) 11:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Males don't have pouches.  Only females have pouches.  Figaro (talk) 12:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Except in the thylacine and yapok . Ucucha 12:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thylacine (Tasmanian tiger) and yapok (water opposm) have pouches on both sexes- and this is not discussed. It should be made clear.Valchemishnuʘ 15:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What this article doesn't mention is if males have pouches 

message: The introduction mentions that there is one species of marsupial in North America -- but the Virginia Opossum seems to always be mentioned as the only North American marsupial "north of Mexico." Are there other species in Mexico? Since it is part of North America, the "one species" phrasing should probably be changed/clarified. -Tim D (talk) 18:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several other marsupials in Mexico; Marmosa mexicana is an obvious example, and Tlacuatzin canescens is even endemic there. I'll correct the article. Ucucha 18:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  North America / Mexico 

message: Since no one in the modern age suggests that marsupials in Sulawesi are relicts of an ancient expansion from China, rather than a fairly recent expansion from Sahul (Ice Age Australia with New Guinea), I've deleted the text "a few species of marsupials presently living in Indonesia as far west as Sulawesi, which is sometimes considered to be in an Asian ecozone, with its citation to Harrison, L., The Migration Route of the Australian Marsupial Fauna, Australian Zoologist, Volume 3, Pages 247-263, 1924 which was added in 2010. The statement " Modern marsupials appear to have reached the islands of Borneo and Sulawesi relatively recently via Australia." is supported by the Dawkins reference.--Wetman (talk) 15:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted misleading and antiquated  1924 reference to migration of marsupials 

message: Could someone who knows the details please replace the jelly bean statement with actual measurements? Sadly, jelly beans are no longer a standard size, there are giant ones and miniatures available. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Jelly beans

message: Please put the etymology in (early on) in the article. It serves as a quick definition. Marsupium - pouch. Done.
71.139.166.154 (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insert etymology 

message: Can someone provide a citation to verify the removal of Sparassodonta from Marsupialia? Ideally the first study that formally proposed the split (see Talk:Sparassodonta)- I don't doubt that it has occurred, but this fairly drastic taxonomic change needs verifiable documentation. Animalparty (talk) 20:22, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sparassodonta & Marsupials 

message: We read in the article: “A new hypothesis suggests that South American microbiotheres resulted from a back-dispersal from eastern Gondwana due to new cranial and post-cranial marsupial fossils from the Djarthia murgonensis from the early Eocene Tingamarra Local Fauna in Australia that indicate the Djarthia murgonensis is the most plesiomorphic, the oldest unequivocal australidelphian, and may be the ancestral morphotype of the Australian marsupial radiation”. Is it really a new hypothesis?
But this hypothesis is from 2008, so it is OLDER than the one (based on genetics, 2010) claiming that the microbiotheres are American autochthons and Djarthia is a result of the South America --> Antarctis --> Australia migration.
Anyway, the citing the two contradicting views in the article needs some clarification.
31.11.242.188 (talk) 12:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direction of the Marsupial migration 

message: Per recent edits and reverts by myself,  and , I believe we should currently give little or no mention of the non-peer-reviewed hypothesis that suggests some marsupials were dryolestoids, as it gives undue weight per WP:UNDUE and WP:BALASPS. There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Marsupial mole#On supposed dryolestoid affinitiy, which may affect this and articles on marsupial, dryolestoids, and extinct mammals. In the aims of centralizing discussion, interested editors may want to comment there. All the best --Animalparty! (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding dryolestoid affinity 

message: Citation 45 gives a title of "Why are There Fewer Marsupials than Placentals?"
and also specifies "December 2013, Volume 20, Issue 4" and page numbers,
but doesn't identify the journal.  73.53.61.168 (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 45 incomplete 

message: In your recent addition to this article, several grammatical errors were introduced in the automatic translation from German to English. Can anyone help us to correct these errors? Jarble (talk) 21:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical errors in automatically translated text 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Regarding teeth - what does "pine half" mean? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know but you can tag it for clarification if you like. Deb (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "per pine half" 

message: Okay, so is it safe to call newborn marsupials larvae? Sarsath3 (talk) 00:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larvae? 

message: The main image in the introduction to the article depicts a Virginia Opossum hanging from a tree branch by the tail.  Although opossums are often depicted in artwork as hanging by their tail, actual opossums are physically incapable of doing so.  It would appear that this photograph is not a live opossum, but is some sort of taxidermy.  The image should really be updated to avoid being misleading and perpetuating the false belief that opossums actually hang by their tails.  This false belief often results in people picking up opossums by their tails and causing serious injury.  Can someone please switch out the image with a biologically accurate one, perhaps with the lede image from the article for Virginia Opossum? Vontheri (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image is biologically inaccurate regarding the Virginia Opossum 

message: You know what would be nice? A section that mentioned the habitat of marsupials. Why isn't that a thing? Monkeytheboy (talk) 05:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , the habitats are mentioned, but "marsupial" is such a broad category of animals that we really can't say anything specific about them. Why don't you read about kangaroos or opossums in particular? Elizium23 (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Habitat

message: There are only two nation-states "north of Mexico". Why do you keep reverting edits removing this asinine phrasing? 24.235.57.197 (talk) 18:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Because as it is, the statement's wording is consistent with the rest of the paragraph, and is still technically correct.  I mean, there is no law stating that we must name-drop Canada and the USA in place of "north of Mexico," and then there's also the technical situation of how not all of the USA is situated "north of Mexico," as there are no Virginia opossums naturally found in Hawaii or Guam.--Mr Fink (talk) 18:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "North of Mexico" 

message: If joeys are born with one each, it would be better to say "A joey is born with an oral shield". The plural "Joeys are born with oral shields" would be ambiguous.
Now, the quotation marks seem to indicate that this is a specialized term, or an obscure one, and so it is! So why not explain it?  The article it is linked to says "An extensively developed oral shield was observed in the northern quoll. The upper and lower lips formed together with the rhinarium, a flattened ring structure that surrounds the buccal opening. The pair of naris appeared like two big holes."  One can draw an inference from this, but a clear definition would defs help. --142.163.194.36 (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  '"oral shields"' 

message: This editor continues to make unconstructive edits without justification or comment in two areas.
The first area is in the cladogram where the editor keeps changing it to a form inconsistent with the reference supplied.
The second is to add in an unjustified claim that macropods are biologically similar to rodents. A reference is supplied, but it is bogus (having previously discussed this with the editor when he/she was using a different address). Previous addresses include 193.119.116.137 and 124.168.229.4 from which he/she was blocked for a period. The reference given namely "Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, Volume 27, page 382, By Joel Asaph Allen" does not discuss anything of relevance on that page, it was not written by Allen, and Allen never contributed to that volume. See  for a copy of that volume and page.
I am reverting once more, after that I will have to report this editor. Jameel the Saluki (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Revert and report; IP's edits at Cuscus, i.e., an unsourced claim that the cuscus is similar to the lemurs due to convergent evolution, suggests the IP is being used by a LTA vandal who's been making WP:OR edits of no positive value for years.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[Special:Contributions/193.119.115.213]] 

message: "In 1816, French zoologist George Cuvier classified all marsupials under the order Marsupialia."
When one refers to the primary source (Le regne animal ... of 1816), Cuvier treats marsupials as a family  rather than an order, within an order "les Carnassiers", including bats, insectivores, carnivores and marsupials (les Marsupiaux), so on first sight both the rank and name are incorrect.
I'd guess that we'd want to include the first use of the name Marsupialia (Illiger (1811) - already in the article), the first use of the rank of order for the clade, and the first recognition of the clade as a sister group to Placentalia/Eutheria (Huxley 1880, as Metatheria?) Lavateraguy (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomic history 

message: — Assignment last updated by DoctorBeee (talk) 20:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: English 102 Section 5

message: This article references "true hair", but this sentence is not cited and I can't find anything online that mentioned true hair. Needs to either be better cited or removed. Inndrid (talk) 21:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation added.Anaxial (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "True Hair"?