Talk:Pausanias (geographer)

message: I can't find any bibliographical details about this book. I take it this is the living Andrew Stewart who's written on Greek sculpture, not someone quoted by the 1911 Britannica? I can't track down date, publisher, or ISBN. The text of the book is given on the Perseus site but that doesn't have any details either; it does have an ISBN, but it's for the wrong book. Petrouchka 00:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Stewart, ''One Hundred Greek Sculptors'' 

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message: Pausanias was not a geographer but a travel writer as should be clear as soon as you start to read his work.Dejvid (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: He was both. The ancient Greeks did not really have a clear distinction between the two. "Geographer" is the term ancient writers would have probably used to describe him with. "Travel writer" is more of a modern designation. I would be fine with either title for the article. "Travel writer" is probably more specific. --Katolophyromai (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to [[Pausanias (travel writer)]]?

message: Title page for  Pausanias  shows a Photograph of a book With a Beautifully Illuminated Portrait Showing Title spellings in Block Greek Capital Letters that seem to differ from its accompanying article. 
I only approximate transliteration thusly:
Pausaniou  ElladOs  PeriiEgEseOs 
Will a Greek Scholar Please explain this discrepency with Pausanias Ellados Periegesis? 
Thank you. 🐱🐱🐱 FritzYCat (talk) 04:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody answered at the time. In case anyone now wonders, the illuminated title is grammatical but incomplete: it means "... of the Tour of Greece of Pausanias": everything in the genitive case. Something in the nominative would additionally be expected, and, this being the first page of a Greek manuscript text, you might expect it to be "Book one ...". Why the expected phrase in the nominative isn't to be seen I don't know. Andrew Dalby 15:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pausaniou ElladOs PeriiEgEseOs 

message: In April this year User:ColinSchm, who does not normally edit on classical subjects, took it upon himself to split off the book from the author without any discussion, using as edit summary "per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_books/3 based on Pausanias (geographer) + re-write, infobox, etc".  
I rather think this was a mistake, as we know nothing about P except what he tells us in the book, which isn't much. What do people think about merging them back together? Both articles seem of pretty low quality to me. The biography gets 5-7 times more views btw.  It would be great if someone who knows the area better than I do would improve them/it. Also the title(s) - "geographer" is a tad misleading, and Peter Levy's Guide to Greece might be better.  I'll copy this to Talk:Pausanias (geographer); please comment there. Johnbod (talk) 04:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is a good idea. Neither article is especially long and most of the material in this article is strictly speaking about the Description anyway. As for the disambiguator, I like "periegete", but I suppose "(travel writer)" might be more transparent. Furius (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. we discussed a broader version of this a few years back Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_Greece_and_Rome/Archive_36#Merging_articles_on_ancient_authors_with_only_one_work?; this resulted in Diogenes Laertius and Lives of the Eminent Philosophers being merged. I still think that many of the other articles mentioned there are good candidates for a merge and, while not everyone was as keen on merging as me, there seemed a general consensus that cases like this where very little is known about the author are good merge candidates. Furius (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Crikey! I'd forgotten that, though I see you got one of them through. Vitruvius and De architectura might be added to the list - most of the quite long "biography" is about the book. Johnbod (talk) 03:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

text: I'm inclined to agree that they are better off as a single article. The sections in Pausanias (geographer) on writing style and modern views are all really about the Description of Greece, and should be covered in that article. The fact that we don't currently say that archaeologists have found the book to be largely accurate in the article on the book seems like a major omission! And once we have brought that back over, there's little point in keeping what remains separate – especially as even the Biography section contains information on the book which isn't currently in that article. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the bio does say "Modern views of Pausanias (header) Until twentieth-century archaeologists concluded that Pausanias was a reliable guide to the sites which they were excavating, classicists largely dismissed Pausanias as of a purely literary bent...".  But we don't say that he was almost certainly a doctor. Johnbod (talk) 04:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we reunite [[Pausanias (geographer)]] and [[Description of Greece]]?