Talk:Turkish Cypriots/Archive 1

message: -	This is ridiculous. Why is there an ethnic groups table on this article ?	 
-	Turkish Cypriots are a subdivision of Turks.	 
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-	While you're at it, why dont you create a "Turks from Konya" or a "Turks from Izmir" page with some population stats ?User:Mrent
Mrent is "sockpuppet" of khoikhoi! Be rescpectful what did you say at first...
-Inanna-
: Mrent the Turkish Cypriot people are different from mainland (Anatolian) Turks only someone who lacks any knowledge on the Turks would make a statement like that. DivineIntervention 19:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, Wikipedia has no personal attacks policy. --Khoikhoi 21:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that Turkish Cypriots are counted on the Turkish people page as well. And the statistics sound extremely high. The entire population of Cyprus is nowhere near the figures given. Half a million in Turkey alone? If these figures are accurate, then some references are in order as I haven't seen these numbers before. Tombseye 23:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Could you keep the table in your revision? I like having the table on the side, it helps add color to the article instead of just black and white text. --Kotjze 22:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whats with the ethnic groups table ?? 

message: "Turkish Cypriots view themselves different from mainland Turks, reasons for this include, the Turkish Cypriots say that mainland Turks have lost many aspects of Ottoman Turkish (due to language loans from other languages) as well as distinct cultural differences."
This sentence added by an anonymous user has just been suppressed, but it seems quite plausible to me as Turkish Cypriots were already separated from their mainland brethren at the time of Atatürk's cultural revolution. On the contrary, fantasy numbers of Turkish Cypriots in the world shouldn't be included in the article, it is simply not possibly accurate from a demographics point of view. It would be wiser to make a table with the successive ethnic results of the Cyprus censuses. Pylambert 19:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was originally added by User:DivineIntervention. The reason why it re-appeared is because the anon was reverting to a version a few weeks back. Inanna removed the sentence because she says it's not true. She is a Turkish Cypriot by the way. --Khoikhoi 19:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  differences between Turkish Cypriots and Turks 

message: i decided to change the numbers of the turkish cypriots,cause according to the most sources,200000 people is the whole population of the occupied northern territory,and not the population of the turkish cypriots alone.
i have also deleted the number of turkish cypriots in turkey for 3 reasons: 1.there is no need to refear to turkish cypriots in turkey,unless they are considered a separate ethnic group.2.because the number 500000 can in no way be considered as accurate,even if we accept that the turkish cypriots in turkey have had the highest birth rates in the world during the past 100 years!and 3.because this number is based in a pro-turkish cypriot webpage with obvious refearances on irrentistic views.if it is accurate,i would like to see more sources that mention the same number,before i see the article been reversed to the former version again.
here are some references that state the number of turkish cypriots in cyprus(on of them is the CIA world fact book that is considered reliable from the Wikipedia):
--Hectorian 15:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in the demographics 

message: Inanna, what are you doing ? Where is the source for all this? Of course, if the previous figures aren't sourced either, then they should go as well. Let's all cite our sources, so that we can finally agree on accurate figures. If there are no sources, then that sentence should be removed per WP:V. --Latinus (talk (el:)) 01:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's Inanna's source. Here are Hectorian's sources:  . --Khoikhoi 01:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I have to go right now - would you be able to do it? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 01:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: We really need a neutral source here - one that is not Greek nor Turkish. --Khoikhoi 22:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Inanna, if you think that I am Hectorian as you said in your edit summary you are wrong. Please don't make accusations like these. I'm not Greek, I'm Jewish. --Khoikhoi 00:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, that was Hectorian before he got a user name. Sorry about accusing you. --Khoikhoi 01:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The stats 

message: Don't know who is right or wrong but sort it here. Also read WP:3RR. If you get consensus then ask for it to be unprotected. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not come to my talk page and ask me to make edits to page. I do not know which is the correct version I only protected it to stop the edit war. There needs to be discussion. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: Instead of asking the administrator to revert the article to your version,Inanna,it would be better to cite your sources(the neutral ones) here in order to come up with a solution.
remember:here we have to deal with an accuracy dispute of this specific article.so,if u have anything to say about the past,the armenian genocide,the greek minority in turkey,the Ecumenical Patriarch,the kurdish issue,etc etc,say it in the talk pages of the respective articles,or in my talk page if u wish.
Here are some sources that i have found:,CIA world factbook ,a UK page ,another neutral one ,a governmental cypriot one(maybe not considered neutral,but it does not say anything different than the others)
and finally a page of the European Union .
I have found sources about the turkish cypriots in the UK varying from 80000-130000,but not even one about turkish cypriots in turkey.
waiting for your reply,on this topic.do not force me to refer to other subjects here.--Hectorian 17:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take out the cyprus.gov.cy one because it's almost a counterpart of Inanna's source. However, I think the other one's are good. So with these sources, what would the introduction look like? --Khoikhoi 18:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing sources 

message: There's absolutely no recent discussion here.  Unprotecting. --Tony Sidaway 16:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotecting

message: I don't care if I am stepping on your toe, that's why I directly edited the article without discussion, this article has no two sides to it, it is about Turkish Cypriots, there is no room for your demonizing of mainland Turks or naming EOKA butchers freedom fighters here. You change the article, I'll re-edit it; you get the page locked, then I'll edit articles related to Greek Cypriots, I'll make sure you are uncomfortable. Nobody mentioned any EOKA atrocities in this article except for the link given, you should be satisfied with that and just leave.--Kagan the Barbarian 14:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hectorian 

message: Isn't the article Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus the same? Why don't we unite them both?
Danny-w 12:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. I didn't read it all. it's not. :-). Danny-w 12:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus