Talk:Croydon facelift

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:The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Croydon facelift was proposed for deletion. This section is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. Further comments can be made in further sections, of the talk page. The result of the debate was KEEP. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
*Delete. Neologism, only found at define-your-own sites and their mirrors. Susvolans 14:27, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Graham  ☺ | Talk 00:57, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes for deletion (2004)

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Croydon facelift was proposed for deletion. This section is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. Further comments can be made in further sections, of the talk page. The result of the debate was KEEP. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
*Delete. Neologism, only found at define-your-own sites and their mirrors. Susvolans 14:27, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Graham  ☺ | Talk 00:57, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: VfD

message: I find nothing in Google or Yahoo. --Error 19:44, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm moving the header to the top of the page. --Viriditas 04:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Rklawton 00:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The emphasis is on the hair being pulled back to the extent that it tightens the facial skin around the forehead and flat parts of the temples, as opposed to hair merely tied back into a bunch. Why Croydon? Nobody knows. It has been given an undeserved reputation over the years as an overbuilt concrete tangle which then reflected adversely on the dress habits of its inhabitants. Dieter Simon 22:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what Dieter is trying to say is that it is a ponytail. - Abscissa 20:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you idiot. As Dieter explained, the point is that the hair is so tight that it pulls the skin with it, often slightly distorting the eyes giving them a kind of mock-oriental look. The picture here doesn't quite do justice to the extreme variety. You'll know it if you see it. On another matter, can we move this to scrapeback which is a common name around the country. "Croydon facelift" sounds specific to London - I've never heard it and as you can imagine, people outside London wouldn't use it as the Croydon connotation is not understood. 86.136.0.145 23:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd never heard 'scrapeback'. I've always known it as a council facelift. Icundell 22:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image requested

message: Before we get into an edit war over whether this is known as an Essex facelift or not (it was recently removed by one user just to be put back by another) do we have a reference that this is sometimes referred to by that name? -- Roleplayer 14:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found 700+ Google hits for Essex facelift with no mention of Croydon facelift.  ("Essex faclift" -"Croydon facelift").  The toplisted link was from the Times Educational Supplement and dated today.Rklawton 20:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brewer's Britain & Ireland has an entry for 'Croydon facelift - '...scraped back so tightly into a ponytail that it pulls back the skin on the wearer's cheekbones...'. There is no such equivalent entry for 'Essex Facelift'. It does seem to exist but it needs a source as 'Croydon facelift' has. Martín (saying/doing) 21:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that an awful lot of the Google and Yahoo websites are Wikipedia mirror sites all of which refer to our own page. You really need to go through the websites whether they have anything original to say (often of course the sample sentences give an indication of the original Wiki article). As for 700 Google hits for E. F. as opposed to none for C. F., I really would take this with a pinch of salt. Dieter Simon 01:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by a pinch of salt?  Can you explain your logic a bit better?  Our article references both Essex and Croydon.  A search that turns up only Essex couldn't be a mirror or it would also reference Croydon.  Run the search yourself.  And the top-most listing certainly isn't a mirror.    Rklawton 02:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do I mean by a pinch of salt? Look at your first page of Google, after having entered "Croydon facelift" "Essex facelift" (together) and you will find the first website is Wikipedia with the introductory para starting "In English slang a Croydon facelift sometimes Essex facelift Council facelift or..."  Out of the ten websites on the first Google page seven websites start exactly the same way as the Wiki page: "In English slang a Croydon facelift sometimes Essex facelift Council facelift or..." They are in fact copies of Wikipedia's article. They are not separate entities, they are one and the same thng under different names. So that's seven out of ten you could under no circumstances call different articles. That's what I meant by spuriously counting up websites citing "Croydon facelift" and in the same breath "Essex facelift". So, it means nothing because the whole caboodle is one and the same article. Yes?   Dieter Simon 00:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Essex facelift 

message: I've deleted the "Moscow blah blah blah"
The style pictured is clearly a ponytail, and the hair isn't pulled back. --Bicycle repairman 01:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The general idea here is one of continuous improvement.  If you've got an image you think more "relevant", then by all means add it.  However, taking away the only image this article has does nothing to improve it.  Rklawton 02:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How an image of a young woman supposedly taken in Moscow can illustrate an article about Chav culture is beyond me. I do not have a "better image" but I believe that using an unsuitable one is a lazy excuse. If you made this photo and liked it - just say so. But you can't honestly claim that it illustrates the page about "Croydon facelift". Anyway, what do I care. --Bicycle repairman 02:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought this was an article about a hair style.  Is it the word "Moscow" that bothers you?  Rklawton 03:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely there's someone out there with long hair and a digital camera who can create an image of this. --Helenalex (talk) 01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: *Croydon is Chavtown It's the Chav capital of the South. Chavdon, I mean Croydon, should be proud to have a hairstyle named after the town, it's the only thing Croydon has ever contributed to British culture. If the name of this article is changed, Croydon will have no claim to fame. 172.215.159.125 05:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't mistake the acknowledgement of an encyclopaedic fact (re Croydon facelift), for an acknowledgement of the reputation the town has undeservedly received over the past. Croydon is one of the most integrated towns in the UK, and is continuing and planning to continue to enhance its environment in future. Dieter Simon 22:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Totally undeserved reputation

message: The recent images which have since been removed did not really demonstrate what a Croydon facelift looks like, namely the tight pulling back of the hairline from the temple and forehead which leaves the facial skin very taut. Though the girl(s) were very pretty, you didn't really get an idea what it is all about. Dieter Simon (talk) 01:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent images did not really show what is meant by a Croydon facelift

message: I've always felt there is something otherworldly about the Immigration & Nationality Department at Lunar House, but until now, I could not quite put my finger on it... Streona (talk) 13:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there is evidence of the ancient Egyptian god Anubis being worshipped in Leicester from archeological digs, so I suppose anything is possible... -- Roleplayer (talk) 16:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Did the Ancient Egyptians Settle in Croydon ?

message: The usage and primary topic of  is under discussion, see talk:facelift (disambiguation) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "Facelift"