Talk:Operation Barras

message: I have seen no evidence on the internet that an Mi-24 was used in this action? Can this actually be verified? --Wikipediatastic 13:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Some unknown user keeps deleting the entries regarding the SBS. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Talk 23:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The article requires revision following the release of new details regarding West Side Boys casualties and the operation in general: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307151/SAS-vengeance-West-Side-Boys.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
:STRONGLY DISAGREE!.... The Daily Mail and it's online variant MailOnline (dailymail.co.uk) is considered unreliable by consensus, and was deprecated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Daily_Mail by Wikipedia in 2017 (reaffirmed in 2019), and so its use as a source and/or reference is generally prohibited within Wikipedia. M R G WIKI999 (talk) 02:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: New revelations

message: :Image:OpearationBarras.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:OpearationBarras.jpg

message: The line, "The ground operation was conducted by D Squadron, 22 Regiment Special Air Service—who assaulted Gberi Bana in a bid to extract the Royal Irish—and elements of 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment (1 PARA), based around A Company, who launched a diversionary assault on Magbeni.", contained an ungrammatical use of "around". (Things can't be based "around" other things; as a concrete term, "base" requires "on" or "in".) However, the line is confusing as written; after several readings I couldn't figure out which unit and action was related to which. Therefore I've simply deleted "based around A Company"; if this information is necessary to the account, please restore it without reintroducing a "lazy around" to the article. Cheers.
Laodah 21:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edit confusion

message: Since the References section was ordered this way ("General" first and "Specific" after it) in the FA version I want to propose changes here on Talk rather than just go ahead and implement them. There are two problems with regards to WP:FNNR:
* Is there any compelling reason to do the exact opposite here? It's counter-intuitive at best.
* This is not how the sources in the "General" subsection of this article are used. Can it be renamed "Works cited", "Sources", "Bibliography" or something else?
– Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point. I can't remember where I picked up the "general/specific" titles from and I'm not attached to them; I've changed them to "bibliography" and "citations", which I've been going with for more recent articles. As for the order, it's mostly personal preference—I've always thought the list of works consulted is much more interesting than the page numbers relating to a particular fact. Maybe I'm mad, but it's the style I've used for most of my articles and it's survived multiple FACs. To be honest I'd want a better reason to change it than a sentence buried deep in a guideline that even starts with "usually", and I see the same guideline says, two paragraphs above,  . HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?  10:54, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The current layout seems readable/nice; it's not like there are 300 books listed. --Errant (chat!) 13:54, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  References section 

message: Currently, the article ignores *ALL* available evidence that is less than salutory to the British military, including evidence cited by the Daily Mail already mentioned by another contributor below. It is not encyclopedic, it is propagandistic, providing only the official reading despite the fact that plenty of supplementary material is available. As such, the entire article is certainly not NPOV, as it displays an outrageous bias towards the official reading of the British government - for instance, the extensive evidence of far higher casualty counts provided by Tim Butcher is not mentioned anywhere. Articles like this one are a stain on Wikipedia. In fact, even deletion of this entire article would be better than the propaganda that is currently displayed here. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 10:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably just a matter of perception, but your tone suggests you may not be approaching this from a NPOV yourself. Anyone can edit the article, just be encyclopaedic and use reliable citations. Obscurasky (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is absolutely terrible in its current form 

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