Talk:Vanessa Lachey

message: I replaced the image, so we can use a public-domain one.  It's best to do this now, than wait, and find it suddenly deleted at a later date.  I do realize this new picture isn't her "prettiest", so if a better PD/GFDL one is found, that would be great.  --rob 22:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I replaced the photo

message: I've corrected Minnillo's ancestry. She has explicitly said in an interview (cited) that her mother is Polynesian. Googling the "Filipino mother" thing, all I could find are second-rate trivia sites that can't be used as sources anyway. A few sites refer to her as "Filipino American", almost certainly because she was born in the Phillippines. I'm guessing the assumption that her mother is Filipino came from her birth place. Mad Jack 01:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says, "Polynesian" when identifying?  I know Samoans tend to abuse that term but they usually use it in reference to a trait possibly linked to a Polynesian trait, rarely as an identity itself  If her mother is Polynesian, why don't they use the real term?  That's like saying "human".  Mamoahina 05:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I reverted your edits, Jack. Vanessa Minnillo goofed up. Her mother, Helen Berecero, is not Polynesian. She's a native of Leyte. Berecero isn't even a "Polynesian" surname. My explanation is that young Filipino Americans believe that they are Pacific Islanders or Polynesian. And that's not even the case. I found another interview with her where she talks about her Filipino roots.  --Chris S. 06:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe her mother was born in Leyte but is of Polynesian descent? I could see that as a plausible explanation. She's said that she's "half Polynesian" in two interview this year now, so I dunno Mad Jack 06:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Bercero isn't a Polynesian name, but a Filipino (well, Spanish) last name. --Chris S. 06:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I never heard of Polynesians going to the Philippines and as I said before, Polynesians don't refer to themselves as Polynesian. Mamoahina 13:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well OK, we don't go by last names Mad Jack 06:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, I think we should add that Minnillo has described her mother as "Polynesian", since that's the case, regardless of how accurate she was (i.e. have both that and her mother being Filipino in there) Mad Jack 06:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that sounds fine. --Chris S. 06:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll agree with that. Saying that is what she said according to that article. Mamoahina 13:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm aware of the last name rule, but that's something that should be taken into account. Anyway, when I have time (not anytime soon), I'll go to the library in the city and hunt down the Filipinas Magazine issue where she is on the front cover. It talked about her life story, her Filipino roots, her parents' separation and divorce, etc. But yeah, being a young Filipino American, she probably believes Filipinos are Polynesians and Pacific Islanders like Hawaiians are. Just Google Filipino and "Pacific Islanders." --Chris S. 06:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I hope you like the way I put it in there Mad Jack 06:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If she is of Polynesian ancestry, she would have specified it.  We use "Polynesian" when referring to our cultures on a collective level.  As for her mother's family name of Bercero, it was listed in the Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos on page 17 in the 2nd column.  That means, their family chose that surname from the book and I don't know of any Latinos that carry Bercero as a surname. Mamoahina
Did you miss her entire interview, Vanessa HAS claimed she is Polynesian, and she more then anybody, like you said, would know what she is.71.138.141.230 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Recognizability of a source (or being part of the mainstream) is not a criterion for considering a source unreliable.  If that were the case, then dozens of academic journals that are not recognized by the general public would be unreliable. Think of what would happen to the scientific articles we have here. I suggest that you reread Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources before thinking of removing the sources again. Also, Filipinas magazine is a mainstream magazine to Filipinos in the United States. It's been around since 1990, I believe. I am able to buy this magazine in Barnes and Noble and check it out at the local library. Furthermore Asian Journal is a mainstream Filipino-American publication in California and Nevada. But telling you this was moot, since it doesn't matter anyway.  Thank you. --Chris S. 21:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like I goofed, no not about Asian Journal's credibility (which I still don't doubt). Asian Journal is not the original source. I read the article carefully and at the end I saw the word INQ7. This is from the Philippine Daily Inquirer, which is one of the largest newspapers in the Philippines and is owned by one a major company, GMA. So it's highly recognizable and a major international source of news. The citation has been reinstated and changed to reflect the original source. So now all is good. Thanks. --Chris S. 01:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: My cousins like to claim "Spanish" ancestry and one could argue that if there's anyone who would know their heritage, it would be them.  But we do not have Spanish ancestry and my cousins then argued that their great-grandmother (my grandmother) had freckles.  So Chinese people with freckles are of Spanish ancestry too?  I've proven to them how we DO NOT have Spanish ancestry.  Again, I'll ask this, if Vanessa really is Polynesian, why isn't she claiming exactly what she is?  We don't use that term unless we're in a group of other Polynesians and we are being inclusive, then we'd group people or identify people as such.  Other than that, I'd expect, as I've experienced myself, a Samoan will say that they are Samoan and from which family.  A Tongan would do the same, and so would a Tahitian, Marquesan and in the case of a Maori, they'd specify from which tribe.  So why isn't Vanessa doing that? Mamoahina 23:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've reverting your edit. First you state that it is "rumored." That is not the case, she clearly speaks of her Filipino roots and her Filipina mother's culture and languages. Second, when you reverted it, you used the old source instead of the new source.  In any case, that very source is from March of this year; if anything, it seems that Vanessa is confused, as with many young Filipino Americans, as to the label she gives her mother. It could also very well be a transcription error by Maxim. The discrepancy should indeed be addressed in the article, but the first two sources shouldn't be watered down to point that it's misleading and the final word. Clearly there's something amiss and we should wait until Vanessa clarifies it in another article. Furthermore, could you point to me specifically where in the Wikipedia "rules" that support your argument. Thanks. --Chris S. 23:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi there, the problem was already solved. Two sources state that she was Filipino and the third one state she was Polynesian. All three sources used Minillo herself as a source. So that has been reflected in that particular paragraph. I have reverted your edit. Thanks. --Chris S. 00:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Polynesian, Not Filipino

message: I keep seeing italian and filipino but doesn't she have black in her? --Migospia 17:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black? 

message: In the maxim article she stated that she was born in Seattle why doesn't this article acknowledge it?
:I've reverted your edits. The Maxim article doesn't say that. --Chris S. 07:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  she was born in Seattle  

message: I'm unsure about the protocol for moving a page, but I think since she recently legally changed her name to Vanessa Lachey , that the page should be "Vanessa Lachey" rather than "Vanessa Minnillo." Safehaven86 (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change, move page?

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*Support - Since she legally changed her name, the article should also be changed to reflect it.    ArcAngel   (talk) ) 04:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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