Talk:Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms

message: Two articles separated by External Links? Which one is better? I suggest a merging job. ZephyrAnycon 7 July 2005 22:53 (UTC)
Ten stories down? Cite, please? -- Karada 10:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Given that the cited external links refer to COBRA, I propose that we move this back from Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms to Cabinet Office Briefing Room A.
James F. (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree.  Just because those links say Cobra does not mean it is correct (indeed, those articles could be the very cause of the claimed mistake in the addition of an 'a').  One could easily find official references to COBR (for example at the No10 and Cabinet Office sites) and substitute them for the existing links. What needs to be recognised is that there are many official references to both COBR and Cobra.  Interestingly, the inclusion of an acronym usually presents the reader with 'COBR' while the inclusion of a name usually presents us with 'Cobra' - suggesting that the acronym has a basis in fact and the term is merely the written representation/transcription of the spoken word. [Also see the discussion on the 21 July attacks page regarding this subject.] 62.252.0.6 22:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: COBRA is the proper term for a certain type of meeting. It is described here by Professor Helen Fenwick from Durham Law School What is COBRA? Here is The Home Office's Response to Terrorist Attacks - Home Affairs Committee Contents. It directly refers to COBRA. It is formalised here:  Baldwin Clere (talk) 09:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. You might want to read the footnotes to the source you've cited (specifically page 5) which acknowledges that the report is using the terminology incorrectly (and then continues to use it wrongly anyway because of "popular usage"). Wikipedia should not perpetuate mistakes. COBR is a place, not a specific committee; different committees under different chairs can meet in one of the rooms in COBR; Conference Room A is in Kent's Treasury, another part of the Cabinet Office main building, not in COBR. Wiki-Ed (talk) 09:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: They announced on BBC News 24 that Gordon Brown will, but hasn't yet 18:00 BST 30/6/07 held a COBRA meeting. You will probably want that it soon...?
St91 17:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glasgow Airport 

message: Do we really need to list every single (known) occurrence in the last couple of years? I'm sure there's a WP guideline somewhere advising against creating great long chronological lists like that. 81.158.0.187 11:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incidents when COBR has been used 

message: There is no such appointment as 'Director of the SAS'.  There are Commanding Officers of the various SAS Regiments, and a Director Special Forces (DSF) that also has responsbility for other areas of UKSF responsibility.   Darth Doctrinus 18:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The mistake seems to have been eliminated now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.53.152 (talk) 07:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is Director Special Forces who heads all UKSF.Sammartinlai (talk) 09:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Director of the SAS 

message: If you are in the UK and can access the BBC iPlayer then watch "The Secret World of Whitehall" Part One: The Real Sir Humphrey to see the big steel door of COBRA and inside the room itself. --AlisonW (talk) 00:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeing inside 

message: COBR article goes into far greater details of the meetings, Civil Contingencies Committee would be better suited as a section in COBR.  04:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose they are distinct.Holland85 (talk) 03:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Oppose totally distinct and we'd have to list all the other committees and groups that use the facility. This should have been closed a long time ago. Wiki-Ed (talk) 21:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Civil Contingencies Committee]] 

message: Given the evidence above, I propose rewording the first paragraph something like this:
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Any comments, suggestions or alternatives? -- DeFacto (talk). 21:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternative: move all naming information to a hatnote/reference and explain how/why certain sources use the wrong term, just to avoid misleading readers and perpetuating the fiction. Wiki-Ed (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  it's now fact, not fiction. The word has entered the lexicon, so is not wrong, it's just an alternative. -- DeFacto (talk). 22:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rewording of first paragraph 

message: Use of the term 'COBRA'
The term 'COBRA' is often used in the press (insert sources) as shorthand for the UK government's civil emergency response process (insert Parliamentary source). Although the origin is unclear, it may have come about because it makes the acronym more obvious and memorable (insert Institute for Government Source) or, alternatively it may have been confused with other meeting rooms in the Cabinet Office which are not part of the COBR facility, including the old Treasury Board Room, which is labelled "Conference Room A", and located in Kent's Treasury, a different part of the Cabinet Office building. (insert Independent source) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-Ed (talk • contribs) 10:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's try and be a bit more neutral, attribute the opinions, and accept the reality. How about something like:  -- DeFacto (talk). 21:30, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new paragraph 

message: On April 19th 2020, a Twitter reference to a Sky News clip of Iain Duncan Smith describing what COBRA means. This is a violation of WP:TWITTER since the tweet is not being used as a reference for the parties involved (Sky News or Iain Duncan Smith), but instead is being used as a reference for another topic (the meaning of a "COBRA" meeting). Given the main subject of the clip is currently a highly charged political topic ("It is normal for a Prime Minister not to be at COBRA meetings.") this reference should be removed.
2A02:C7F:6C11:EB00:79B4:E2B6:B944:ECA5 (talk) 08:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highly Dubious Reference