Talk:Deus Ex (video game)/Archive 6

message: Speaking of sourcing, we really need to shore up the quality and relevance of our sources. Using the numbering in this version...
#This is a reference that will rot. Can we do better to establish the best-selling nature of the game?
#Probably okay; Metacritic is used in many articles.
#No problems.
#Probably not the best source but uncontroversial info. It'd be nice to have a better source, bit it isn't critical.
#This Gamespot review should be a solid source for a great deal of this article.
#Can we cite the PC Gamer where this was originally published, instead of the author's blog?
#Game dialogue citations are better than nothing, but can we cite secondary sources instead? Especially in the case of the endings; some review has to claim that there are multiple reviews.
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#Probably okay; fansite, but it's  an interview, which usually gets a little more leeway.
#Ideal ref.
#Same as #14.
#Less than ideal. This is an archive.org copy of a personal site that doesn't even mention Deus Ex at all.
#"
#Duplicate of #14. We need to lint for duplicate refs and combine them.
#Adrenaline Vault's review is a good source.
#Dupe of #5.
#Dupe of #20.
#Good ref, terrible use. Why are we citing a listing of the game as one of the 25 most memorable games of all time to back up the claim that the game is "slow and snoozy"? This does not reflect the intent of the article, I would think.
#Fine.
#Fine.
#Fine.
#Fine.
#Fine.
#Fine.
#This is a link to a list of GameFAQs fan-made lists. This doesn't cut it as a source, especially since it's redundant.
#Who the heck is Flicker Gaming? This is probably not needed.
#Press releases are less than ideal, but this is basic and uncontroversial. Bear in mind that this reference does not back up the claim that Midnight Sun was included.
Plus, we need to use citation templates, like . - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't all the refs, but it's a good cross-section of the problems we need to solve. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: what the hell happened to weapons in deus ex???!!?!?!
:It was deemed "unencyclopedic" and deleted. Gamer Junkie 23:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was merged as the result of this AFD. It wasn't deleted at all. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I'm thinking of another "Weapons In..." article. Gamer Junkie 01:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  weapons? 

message: I just remembered this quite long article (about 8 pages) over at Gamespy.com that was written in part by the actual team who worked on Deus Ex and its sequel, called the "DX 1 Continuity Bible". Though I have just skimmed through it, it seems like a really good source to use for info on the development of the game (which Consequentially mentioned as being needed), and pehaps for some of the smaller related articles (if we decide to keep them that is). 
Here's the link:
DX1 Continuity Bible
:Wow. That's an excellent article! Superb find, man. I'll try incorporating what I can into the article, but it's overflowing with information that can be used in the entire Deus Ex article series. This might also come in handy, although you might already know of its existence. 
Seven or eight interviews with game designers/writers.
Consequentially 02:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for some ''Deus Ex'' info 

message: I made an image that shows the methods of getting past obstacles in Deus Ex. Anyone care to put that in the article?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Methods.jpg ThunderPower 16:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Methods of beating obstacles

message: Next Generation Magazine called Deus Ex the greatest PC game of all time when it first came out.  Is this worth noting (if we can find a source other than my memory)?  --Marco Passarani 02:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most certainly, just so long as you can cite which issue, etc. they said that. Almost any such praise is a worthwhile addition. -- Grandpafootsoldier 03:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More praise 

message: Unless anyone objects I'm going to remove the "ambrosia canisters" image from this page. Not only is it not really adding anything, it's taken from another site and should be replaced with a self-taken shot anyway (as should a couple of the other more useful pics). -- Grandpafootsoldier 10:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Screw it, I'm just going to remove it for now. I'll leave a copy here in case anyone still really wants it. -- Grandpafootsoldier 05:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of image

message: Someone added Linux to the list of supported platforms for DX. Now, I know that there are companies who are working on it, but I haven't heard about a completed Linux port for the game. It can be played via WINE, but that's a port of the Windows libraries rather than the game itself. Can anyone provide a link to a finished port of the game? Chrismith 23:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brrr, Loki Games must be so dead cold by now. I remove Linux from the platforms since they never finished it (and I am not aware of any other companies that worked on the project) -- lucasbfr talk 05:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it because I thought it was implied here that it had been released in 2001, but I guess that was just a projected release date. I guess I should have checked around some more first. -- Grandpafootsoldier 09:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux? 

message: I think it's time we submit the article to Featured Article rank... it's very well written and... isn't bad. Should we? - ZFGokuSSJ1 19:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's worth trying to go for FA quite yet. There are still some elements this article still needs to pass that (specifically more references). It could be worthwhile to try for GA, however, though it might be a good idea to get a peer review first. -- Grandpafootsoldier 20:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've submitted it for peer review. -- Grandpafootsoldier 19:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! -ZFGokuSSJ1 20:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FA status is overrated rubbish.  Why even bother? Gamer Junkie 22:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we can someday appear on the Main Page and become famous.Personally, I'll be damned if Torchic makes frontpage and DX doesn't! - KingRaptor 01:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spending time editing an online encyclopedia is probably not the best way to upgrade one's social status :) Personally, I'll be happy with a comprehensive article which is useful to those who take the time to look it up. Gamer Junkie 02:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renomination time? 

message: Okay, I've renominated the page for GA. -- Grandpafootsoldier 08:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA again

message: Perhaps we should add some details. Jamhaw 14:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe they gave a specific reason.  I can't say I'm overly disappointed, though.  Judging by past attempts at video game-to-movie productions, it would have doubtless been quite shite. Gamer Junkie 15:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Game-to-film conversions have been pretty bad, but that's probably only because Uwe Boll makes them. - KingRaptor 11:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not forget Paul W. S. Anderson.--Drat (Talk) 12:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why did they cancel the movie

message: Personally I think the tagged merges for organizations should be merged into a single "organizations of Deus Ex" article since this current main article is 57 kilobytes. What are other peoples suggestions as to what to do? Radagast83 18:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the factions all use a single page (just like the characters). - KingRaptor 13:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally I would agree with you. The only problem with that from what I can see is it might be hard to cram all the worthwhile info from the separate pages into one page of reasonable length. -- Grandpafootsoldier 20:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the information on many of the pages seem to be mostly plot summary or character infomation.  Infact, most of the characters should be on the major/minor character pages, and not in the organization pages once those are moved there isn't much left. Radagast83 04:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, well if you think its possible go for it. That might remove a source for a lot of the constant bickering around here. -- Grandpafootsoldier 19:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I cleared out all the character info from the Organization pages. I propose that there should be two seperate pages for the organizations.  One for each game.  There still needs to be some cutting of information (that would have to be determined at the time of merging), but I really think that putting them together would allow for expanding the interactions between the different groups in each game, etc. Radagast83 05:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, those characters were transferred to their respective organisation pages because the character pages were becoming too crowded. Gamer Junkie 08:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Character content should probably not be removed from character pages.  Those articles are either almost or completely unsorced, the best move if a page is getting too long would be to hone down the content to be encylopedic (they seem to have quite a few unsourced statments that should be removed if there can't be any verifiable backing to them). I'll probably take a shot at it at some point if no one else gets to them first. Radagast83 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The information on the character pages is almost entirely from in-game dialogue.  People say that it seems unsourced, but that's because most people haven't played through every available path and script available in Deus Ex.  Not surprising, though, as hearing every conversation and picking every path available to the player would take at least half-a-dozen playthroughs in this game. Regardless of where the informations is, I don't care.  I helped shift it, but it was an admin who wanted it done to begin with, I believe. Gamer Junkie 15:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: I've moved the info for Nicolette DuClare and Chad Dumier to their own separate pages. The previous setup of having substantial information on two separate pages was not working IMO - especially in regard to DuClare. Also, given the fact that all other characters that appear in both games have their own pages, this didn't seem too out of the ordinary. -- Grandpafootsoldier 10:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character pages 

message: Is this for real? Jamhaw 18:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it is: Eidos Confirms Next Deus Ex -- Grandpafootsoldier 18:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: HUSH! Unbeliever! Do not doubt, this be the best news to hit this planet since the first coming of Jesus.Itake 23:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deus EX 3!

message: Would it be appropriate to add a development section to the article, similar to System Shock or Half-Life? Here are some sources of small info on development of DX (maybe... I know the first two are good ones, the rest are just good interviews with Warren... which are probably better for the Warren article): </br>
http://www.gameslice.com/features/spector/index.shtml </br>
http://nuwen.net/dx.html#postmortem </br>
http://pc.ign.com/articles/437/437677p1.html </br>
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070305/sheffield_01.shtml </br>
http://www.gametab.com/news/516264/ </br>
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/category/437 </br>
-ZFGokuSSJ1 20:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development section? 

message: Wouldn't it be helpful to mention this upgrade, and at least provide a link in the external links section? The System Shock 2 page mentions that game's respective upgrade packs.
http://offtopicproductions.com/hdtp/
--70.234.44.17 07:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those upgrade packs have got mentions in magazines and notable sites and the like. What about this?--Drat (Talk) 09:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yup, it has, right here. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 06:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That tiny mention is beyond trivial.--Drat (Talk) 10:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For putting it in the main article, I agree.  It fits just fine in the Deus Ex mods article though, as I can count on one hand (still) the number of Deus Ex mods that have even been mentioned in a print magazine article. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 21:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I assumed a short description of the upgrade along with a link would not require justification based on notable sources. I was thinking of it as an extension to the primary topic of this article, and not a "mod". Also one purpose of the External Links section is to provide convenient links to other resources that are just what someone reading the article might be looking for. (i.e. convenience, no external links are ever strictly needed) When I posted that I didn't know about the Deus Ex mods article, however, and agree the information should go there instead. --64.149.45.181 13:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, it was interesting to see that your name is part of one of the URLs on that magazine scan, yukichigai. I tried to download Shifter, but the zip files on both your site and Filefront were corrupt. But that's neither here nor there... That reference would be notable enough to put into either article for me - assuming the specific issue and publication date were mentioned - if a better one isn't found. --64.149.45.181 13:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deus Ex High Definition Texture Pack 

message: Hey, I was thinking about cutting down the "Popular Culture" section and turning it more into a Production-related section. Some of the stuff there could be kept (such as how the text system works in game), but it would just be put more in context of the overall game design. This seems pretty doable to me given all the info available in the Gamasutra postmortem. What do you guys think about it? -- Grandpafootsoldier 05:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops! Looks like you already suggested this Blackwing. Good call. -- Grandpafootsoldier 05:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop Culture --> Production?