Talk:Farah Pahlavi

message: Does anyone have an objection to me changing the picture to a different portrait? 
ACM83 (talk) 06:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing Portrait 

message: I vote for inclusion of public opinion about the former empress's memoirs since it was world news when it was published, the first time she had gone on record about her life, her husband's reign, et cetera. Unfortunately, none of the reviews was particularly good, and the New York Times's review reflected the general tone. Mowens35 17:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disagreement between Editors and Request for Input and Consensus 

message: As far as I know she was born in Tabriz. See The persian article.
And as far as I know, Farah Diba (Pahlavi) died in france today -- add her place/date of death to the article asap  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.167.38 (talk) 12:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth 

message: I think not. Couter-Revolutionary thinks she should. --SandyDancer 14:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the only reason Wikipedia does it, yes.  Although in my own view the titles haven't been abolished as no one, except perhaps the Shah himself, has the autority to do so.  Wikipedia, however, should refer to her as Empress out of courtesey, yes.--Couter-revolutionary 20:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we suppose Wikipedia should call someone by a title out of courtesy? Sure, WP should mention the fact some people, principally monarchists like your good self, refer to her as this-or-that out of courtesy, but arguably its a breach of WP:NPOV to describe her as Empress as if it is objective fact. --SandyDancer 20:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But guidelines say they are to be known by their highest ruling title.  I assume this is out of courtesey.--Couter-revolutionary 20:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even the cover of her recent memoir gives the author's name as "Farah Pahlavi". I think just about sets things straight; she is Farah Pahlavi (first name, surname) now, legally, but known, out of courtesy to her former abolished position (as are many ex royals), as Empress Farah, though she calls herself Empress Farah Pahlavi, which is another thing altogether. In any case, what's the hubbub bubs? All this is mentioned in the first graph, clearly and succinctly. Let's move on. FYI Counterrevolutionary, you've caught yourself in a POV hard place by stating "although in my own view the titles haven't been abolished as no one, except perhaps the Shah himself, has the authority to do so." Actually, the government of Iran, which succeeded the Pahlavi dynasty, outlawed any and all monarchical titles and styles about two decades ago. They are, like many ex royal families, now null and void, their titles outlawed by legal decree. Again, let's move on. This is an encyclopaedia, not a coffee klatch of imperial groupies. And FYI Counter, your article about the last heir apparent to the throne of Sarawak uses his regular name, sans the last highest held title he once used and has now renounced, so you're being inconsistent. If Wiki guidelines say ex royals "are to be known by their highly ruling title," then you've got some editing to do. Get busy. Mowens35 22:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  Couter-revolutionary which wikipedia guideline are you referring to? --- Melca 22:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The guidelines,can I believe, be found in previous discussions, there should be a link on my talk page somewhere.  Above I stated my PoV, everyone has a PoV, you will, however, note I did not let it influence my argument.  I did not try and claim that she is the Empress because no there is no authority to dissolve these titles.--Couter-revolutionary 23:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Couter-revolutionary i cant find which guideline you are referring to. Please quote it here. The Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style guideline explicitly states that "Styles and honorifics.. should not be included in the text inline" and "Styles should not be used to open articles on royalty". --- Melca 22:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are not styles or honourifics but titles. A style would be, for example, Her Imperial Majesty in this case or The Rt. Hon. in others.  A title is different, Empress is a title not a style or honourific.  Hope this clarifies things. --Couter-revolutionary 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Any government has the authority to rescind any honors, titles, et cetera, of any former title holders, as is seen clearly in the dissolution of the German empire, the French monarchy, et cetera, all of whose governments formally stripped royals and nobles from their ancestral titles, making such titles null and void and, in the case of Germany, illegal as titles but legal as surnames.Mowens35 00:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree with you but am not using this as a point of argument at the moment, fear not.--Couter-revolutionary 00:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it is irrelevant to this discussion whether the title was formally abolished. Is Shah Abbas not "Shah" Abbas anymore just because the monarchy was replaced by a theocracy? Shervink 10:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally believe this discuss to be entirely irrelevant; the article is accurate, factual, and fully referenced.Mowens35 15:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems you misunderstood me. I believe the title should be included, because it existed at the time of the Pahlavi monarchy. That it was later abolished is not a reason to exclude it from the article. Shervink 11:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think  you misunderstood me; it is already mentioned in the article. Why are we going back and forth on this? It is already in the article, in the opening graphs and elsewhere.Mowens35 15:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there are people here who will never be happy until Wikipedia tells the reader that monarchies can never be abolished and we are ruled forever and ever by a few wonderful families who are all descended from the goddess Venus etc etc (or "&c" if you fancy being pretentious), and only "marxists" don't accept that ... it grows tiresome, it really does. --SandyDancer 15:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Was just thinking. Presumably, this article should, by Wiki standards, be titled "Farah, Empress of Iran". Why? Because it seems that Wiki allows the last-ranking title to be used, even when the person has been exiled, the throne abolished, et cetera (see Leka, Crown Prince of Albania, etc). Can we start a vote on this? Just to keep it consistent within Wiki as per other articles of former rulers?Mowens35 15:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should she be referred to as Empress?

message: Is not accurate. I don't have time to re-write it now, but I will later today or tomorrow. The Shah and Empress Farah did not just stay in Egypt. They lived in the Bahamas and the USA, and possibly Mexico (need to research that part) before being given sanctuary in Egypt. It was truly shocking how almost all of the Shah's allies turned their backs on him after the revolution. This should definitely be included. Jeffpw 10:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I updated the section to give a more complete description of exile. ACM83 (talk) 09:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Exile section

message: Is this true of this beautiful woman? Manic Hispanic 03:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She is full Persian  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.158.81 (talk) 05:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It depends on what you mean by that.  She is an Iranian Azeri, as the article states. Rp (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have heard she isnt full persian 

message: I first entered the edit mode just to change the wording so I could a link to Iranian Revolution in the "Iranian Revolution & exile" section. The revolution was in the section title but not (until I added it) mentioned in the section. It's also logical to include it because the revolution is the cause of the exile.
I ended up doing further edits. I removed "she has a website" as well as "he has a website" (Reza), and "she has an organization as well" (Yasmine). The fact that Farah has a website is clear from the link to it at the bottom; it is definitely not a fact about her life that would be worth including in an encyclopedia article. Reza & Yasmine's website(s) should be linked on their own pages in the same way (I am not bothering to go check on that). 
I changed the reference to Reza to reflect (1) both his legal and pretender-to-the-throne names and (2) his political stance & activity. The previous wording (something like "he is active in the current affairs of Iran") seemed both coy and irrelevant. "Active in current affairs" is not worth including in his mother's biography; "still trying to get back on the throne," seems worth including. 
Question: under "birth," her mother's name is listed as Sohrab, but under "exile," it says the children were sent to stay with her mother, whose name there is listed as Farideh. Huh?  
That's all. 
Vcrs 19:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The many people who advise royals, Emperors, or the late Shah, always have an interest that the dynasty doesn't get rattled. Therefore the really important person does not get to know people who are not vetted. What if they meet a person who has not been screened, fall in love, and it turns out the family background leaves a lot to be desired. When a young prince goes to university, the advisors check out who is at the university, who the prince is likely to meet, and especially who he'll share a flat with. The advisors would have checked over Farah and then facilitated the contact as a good option. Especially since Farah had lost her father early, there was a good likelihood that an older man would be something she longed for, so it could be a good match. 121.209.56.202 (talk) 07:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits explained 

message: Although a series of edits over the past 24 hours have updated the article to indicate the Empress's death, I can find no reliable reporting (or any other kind, for that matter) on the matter and have therefore reverted them.  Until it's reliably reported, I think we must assume that, like Monty Python's Mary Queen of Scots, she's not dead yet... Robertissimo 03:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I can find no news reports in English, Dutch or French, and have done multiple searches. Though I remain neutral in the article itself, on this talk page I will say thank God the editor who made the change was wrong. The world is a better place with the Empress in it. Jeffpw 07:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I quite agree. Let's hope she is alive!  God save the Empress [sic]! --Counter-revolutionary 09:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent news!  Is she sick, however?  Smoke, fire and all that. --Counter-revolutionary 09:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: CR, I think if she were sick we would have heard about it. I have her on Google news alewrts and have not read a single article alluding to ill health. From everything I have read in recent months, she has remained active in both social and human rights causes. Also, on a personal level, she recently took the time to reply to a letter I wrote--I don't think she would have done that if she had pressing health concerns. Jeffpw 10:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alive?

message: Does anybody know the date of her coronation? Surtsicna (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coronation 

message: "Farsi" (with capitalization) is a proper noun in English, with this definition:  "The modern Iranian language, dating from about the ninth century a.d., that is the national language of Iran and is written in an Arabic alphabet." The word is commonly used, whereas "Persian" almost always indicates the ancient language(s) of the Persian Empire. SteveStrummer (talk) 15:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please discuss this issue at this page instead. Aaker (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farsi 

message: Currently, the article seems to imply that her Azeri-language name is the most common, and gives the Persian/Farsi name only for her maiden name.  I would think that logically her name in Farsi should come first, and I'm not even sure why her Azeri name would be included at all.  She was consort of a country whose primary language was Farsi, and I haven't read anything saying that her native or preferred language was Azeri.  Failing any clear justification, I plan to render both names in their Farsi spelling barring any contra-consensus here. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want you can put her name in Farsi on the first place, and the name of the Azerbaijani language in second place. Талех (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, but do we need the Azeri at all?  I understand she was part ethnic Azeri, but did she herself tend to write to write her name in Azeri?  MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is foolish to discuss this issue. Put the names in their native language. This is her native language Azeri and Persian. The names of the Azeris from Azerbaijan, Georgia, Dagestan and Iran should be in native languages. It is logical. If you remove the Azeri name, it should be removed for the milestones of the Azerbaijanis from Azerbaijan, Georgia, Dagestan and Iran. Талех (talk) 09:01, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Foolish"?  Courtesy, please.  And your response shows exactly the kind of nationalistic bias that made me suspicious of the addition of her Azeri name.  The current article says nothing about her being an Azeri speaker, preferring Azeri, etc.  If it is indeed the case that in her private life she preferred to speak Azeri, that would be useful info.  But barring that, to an outside observer (me) coming in, I see a person who was part of the Persian-speaking aristocracy, who had one parent originally from an Azeri area, and so I'm not seeing why this person's Azeri name is anywhere near as vital as her Persian spelling. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Do not mean to offend you. I want to say that the regions do not yet speak about what some of the parents could be non-Azerbaijani. Provide an authoritative source that the mother of Farah Deby was not the Azerbaijani woman. Aristocracy is not to say that the Azeri language is not owned by an aristocratic family. I would like to add that the name of Ismail Khatai also in Azerbaijani. Can offer and there Azeri name removed? Талех (talk) 15:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are writing using an alphabet that is completely irrelevant to Farah's heritage. Farah Pahlavi's father was from Iranian Azerbaijan where they do not use the Latin alphabet. The Latin alphabet for the Azerbaijani language is only used in the former Soviet Azerbaijan, which is quite different to Iranian Azerbaijan after a few centuries of separation. Why would you write in an alphabet that has nothing to do with Farah's heritage, seeing as Azeris in Iran do not write in Latin, and most wouldn't even be able to read Latin either? Furthermore there is not even any evidence to suggest Farah can speak Azerbaijani or considers herself to be from there. Tehran absorbed immigrants from all over Iran who mostly assimilated into the "Tehrani Persian culture" so it's rare to find Kurds, Azeris or other ethnic groups who are actually able to speak in the language of their migrant parents.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.1.133 (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Azerbaijani alphabet consists of two parts and I think we should add two options. This is true not only of Iranian Azerbaijanis, but also of Azerbaijanis from Azerbadzhana, Georgia and Dagestan. In the article about President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan are two versions of the alphabet. Талех (talk) 02:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in agreement with the IP above:  lacking any argument that Farah spoke Azeri, I fail to see the reason to have her name in Azeri.  We don't include the Gaelic names of Irish-Americans, or the Japanese-alphabet names of Japanese Americans (unless their Japanese-spelled name is tied to their notability, or used by them personally). MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

text: If I see no reason to write the name of Cyrus the Great in Persian. Maybe his name should be written in Tajik. =) If you remove the name of the Iranians of Azeri origin, it is necessary to remove the alphabet Iranian Azerbaijanis from the articles of the Caucasian Azerbaijanis or Azerbaijani alphabet of all the articles about the Azerbaijanis. I correctly understood your logic. Талех (talk) 16:54, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Lords, why we are talking about the alphabet? This is the language of the people, which owns the person. In articles about the Ottoman sultans  have the alphabet of Turkish and 
Ottoman languages, although if you follow your logic in the Ottoman Empire did not write in Latin Талех (talk) 19:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Талех, you seem to be the only person pushing this Azeri thing.  I emphasise again, barring any evidence that Farah had a tendency to use Azeri (by whatever alphabet) with any regularity, I and others see no reason to include that spelling. If it's an article about an Iranian-Azeri author who wrote in Persian but in his private life used Azeri, sure, give both spellings.  But at this point it appears that you're insisting on having Farah's name in Azeri (and in an alphabet not used by Iranian-Azeris of her period) solely because she was ethnically half-Azeri. Barring evidence of her usage of our preference for the Azeri version of her name, the translation should be the language with which she was associated, Persian. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Why do you do focus on the alphabet? Articles on Uighurs at the two alphabets, as well as articles about the Ottoman sultans. This person is an Azerbaijani woman and you have not submitted evidence that her mother was not the Azerbaijani woman. The fact that her mother was born in another place not yet said that her mother was not an Azerbaijani woman. About Azerbaijan proishozhenie Farah Pahlavi, you can also be found on Google Book. Here is a quote from the book "  For instance, the Shah's wife, Farah, is of Azerbaijani origin and often spoke in the language with Azerbaijani guests at the palace. ". Azeri intellectuals in the reign of Shah spoke in Persian, but it does not mean that the Azerbaijani language for them is not native.  Талех (talk) 14:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so we have some argument that she was capable of speaking Azeri.  But what's your justification for including the Latin Azeri alphabet vice Perso-Arabic Azeri?  The Uighur article has multiple alphabets because the Uighurs use multiple alphabets. The article is about an Iranian-Azeri (Perso-Arabic alphabet), not an inhabitant of Azerbaijan. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Dear friend. I explained that for a man of Azerbaijani origin need to put his name on the original language, rather than the alphabet. I'm advocating that all Azeris from Azerbaijan, Iran, Georgia and Dagestan to put names on the Latin and Persian-Arabic script. Articles about some of Azerbaijanis from Georgia and Azerbaijan have names in Latin and Persian-Arabic script. The main thing is not the alphabet, and the original name of the mother tongue. Талех (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: If you continue to focus on the alphabet, I'm not going to talk with you. I'm talking about the original native language, you tell me about the alphabet. Azeri name in Latin or Persian-Arabic script - the same thing. I accept the Azeri Turkish as an insult. This is a Turkic language, but not Turkish (closest to the Turkish language - it's Gagauz language. Do you want to call it Gagauz Turkish). I beg no longer use such a title. Талех (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Dialect Dagestani Azerbaijani and Georgian Azerbaijanis also differ. Perso-Arabic for Caucasian Azerbaijanis   What do you think about this? Талех (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: By the way Dagestani Azeris use Azeri Cyrillic. On this part of the Azerbaijani people in the English wikipedia too little is written, and in fact in 1920s the Azerbaijani language was the sole language of instruction in schools of Dagestan. Талех (talk) 16:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: We're talking about different things. You talk about the alphabet, I say that we must write the name of the mother tongue. I know a lot of Iranian Azeris, who read the Azerbaijani Latin alphabet. Well, let's name will be on Azeri Persian-Arabic script. You can name the original on the Azeri Persian-Arabic script to put down for all the Iranian Azeris? I only have one question. Azerbaijan Persian-Arabic script differs from the Persian alphabet. You are an Iranian Azeri or Azerbaijani just know the letter? Талех (talk) 06:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are Azeri and Persian names in that order? 

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message: One aspect that lead to the revolution, which obviously shaped Farah's life, is probably relevant enough to be mentioned. The late Sattareh Farmanfarmian wrote in her memoirs that Iranians were quite outraged that all US oil workers were declared to have diplomatic status to shield them from Iranian law under the Shah. This was apparently a significant contribution to the discontent which led to regime change. The world has not become a better place through the Iranian Revolution and a significant aspect that led to this negative development for individuals as well as countries should probably not be swept under the carpet. This is worth knowing, for this case and for a lesson how not to do things, or you get a revolution. 121.209.56.202 (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aspect re revolution  

message: dorod bar shoma madare tamame iraniha man ra bebakhsh ba 
ADabiyate sade kalamat ro ada mikonam inha az janbe dost 
Dashtane ziyade mara bebakhsh banoye in sarzamine afat 
 zade inra bedanid baraye man madarid doset daram ta akhar  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.99.32.23 (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  iran 

message: ba dorood bar khandane hamishe javid -haghir zahra  mikhastam zadrooze khojaste ra be shoma va iraniha tabrik begoyam- arezoo daram faghat yek bar dastane shoma ra beboosam -khedmatgozare shoma zahra -asheghetoonam  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:C38:1B00:C14:CF1A:BF9E:EA15 (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  zahra 

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message: This is directed to DrKay… why would you put a title as the consort of the Shah of iran. Just put her original title of Empress consort… I don’t know why you people have to make it so difficult.. 72.193.120.253 (talk) 14:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It says she was empress in the first sentence and the infobox. We don't need to be told the same thing four times in the first line of the article. The succession parameter, which I presume to be the actual point of contention, covers her reign as queen as well. DrKay (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I just explained why. She wasn't empress from 1959, according to the article text. You think Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh's official title was Consort of the British monarch? The parameter is fine used as a descriptor. DrKay (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why 

message: I know she wasn’t empress at 1959 she was queen but before you changed it all up it was previously Queen Consort Of Iran then under it it was Empress Consort Of Iran and ofc it had the Tenure as well. And why are you even comparing it to the British? they don’t even have real power they’re just figureheads 😂 2600:8801:224:6600:71B4:F8FB:F7E8:A6BF (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I know… 

message: HIM also holds following Orders:
National: Order of Aryamehr
Foreign:
France: Legion d'Honneur, Grand Croix
Germany: Order of Merit, 1st Class
Ethiopian Empire: Order of Queen of Sheba, Grand Collier
Tunisia: Order of Independence, Grand Cordon
Many others awaiting confirmation.
WORTH Istanbul 105.159.54.39 (talk) 14:32, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honours