Talk:Yuan (surname)

message: There is a proposal to create a precedent that names are not encyclopedic. Articles about names regularly show up on various deletion pages and are summarily deleted. Perhaps - since you've been working on an article about a name, you hold a different opinion that you'd like to express.  Please do: Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames SchmuckyTheCat 17:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: For this article, I've found it impossible to explain the the historical origins of the Yuan name, and variations of the character to write the surname, without using Chinese characters. Some uses may not be understood by an English reader without knowledge of Chinese, so I've confined these to the footnotes. For example:
:"Other transliterations of the surname include: 元; 渊; 圆; 源; 远; 苑. None of these are ranked in the top fifty of Chinese surnames in terms of population."
--Yu Ninjie 10:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: (copied from User talk:Yu Ninjie)
That article was very well written. I don't know if I was any help--I copyedited a bit but I'm no expert so I don't know if its fair to say I did a peer review (I don't know the rules of Wikipedia peer review anyway)...yet in reality I don't think there are that many experts on Chinese surnames here (or even on zh wiki for that matter!). Is Yuan your surname (in Mandarin)? Come to think of it, can we add the pronunciations in other dialects? Were you the anon 211.26.149.129 who created the article. Again, great job. --Dpr 06:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the kind praise. Your suggestion about dialects was very helpful. I added two that I know of, and will seek advice on other variations (Hakka, Minnan etc.). There may even be small numbers of Koreans and Vietnamese who have that surname, though I have never heard of any. In answer to your question, yes, Yuan is my surname and I was that anon writer - I think it was one of my first contributions to Wikipedia. --Yu Ninjie 06:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ninjie, there is something rather important I forgot to mention the last time--it's not entirely clear throughout the article whether the Yuan you refer to is monolithically the Yuan of Yuan Shikia which is a top-50 name, or whether reference to the "spread of the Yuan name", "Yuan families," etc include the very small groups of Yuan under other characters as well. I'm almost certain it's the former, but I don't think it's 100% clear in the text. All the best, Dpr 09:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Now all I need is transliterations in Xiang, Gan and maybe Jin, Hui and Pinghua. You don't know anyone who would be familiar with these languages, do you? Thanks for the continued attention, mate. Yeu Ninje 21:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: That article was very well written indeed. However, I would like to know how u found the materials in the Notes and references.  I.H.S.V. (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I got interested in the surname from studying the downfall of the Han Dynasty, particularly Yuan Shao and Yuan Shu's imperial pretensions. In China, quite a lot has been written about the early Yuan clans from a social perspective. It was just a matter of finding some good journal articles and then branching out from there. At least a third of the sources are just standard histories, so it's just a matter of combing through them and using some good electronic search terms. The rest of the research was through google. There are now a lot of genealogical researchers online (much different to three years ago when I was introducing myself to the area) and a lot of Chinese newspaper articles are online too. The biggest problem with genealogical research is that a lot of the sources are still uncatalogued or in private hands. Yeu Ninje 01:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: I wonder if it is worth a mention that the very popular Vietnamese surname, Nguyễn, would sound like Yuan in Chinese? Not very related, I suppose. -- KittySaturn 02:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nguyễn and Yuan sound quite different. In Mandarin Chinese the surname Nguyễn (阮) is pronounced Ruan. I think it has the same or similar pronounciation to the Cantonese Yuen, but I doubt whether that's worth a mention. Yeu Ninje 02:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: I noticed the not verified tag is still up on the Origins of the surname section. Niohe, will you please state what statements in that section are not verified? Surely you've had enough time to do that, and to obtain a second opinion on the original research issue. Otherwise, please take the tag down. Yeu Ninje 09:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: 元 袁 are both common family names.--刻意(Kèyì) 18:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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