Talk:Michael Chertoff

message: Why were negative articles about michael chertoff from nationalvanguard.org and david dukes web site removed? Should there be pro as well as con articles on Michael chertoff?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnagod (talk • contribs) 
:There are both pro and con articles there.  However, the article doesn't need advertisements for dubious sources. Jayjg (talk) 01:30, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: No article on Chertoff can be complete or fair without pointing out that Chertoff has absolutely failed to gain control over the border in a time of terrorism.  Moreover, Chertoff supported "comprehensive" immigration reform -- i.e., rewarding millions of illegal aliens with a path to citizenship without controlling the border.  That bill was not "stalled," but decisively defeated.  Only when that proposed legislation was defeated did Chertoff realize that he might have to begin enforcing the existing immigration law instead of allowing 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants to wander around the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 (talk) 23:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chertoff's failings

message: There have been some competing edits regarding the date on which Chertoff was sworn in as secretary of homeland security. Although a ceremonial swearing-in, presided over by Bush, took place on March 3, 2005, , he was first sworn into office on February 15 . It was on February 15 that he actually became secretary. - Walkiped 02:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Swearing-in date

message: The section of the article on illegal immigration makes it seem as though Chertoff has been vigorous in opposing illegal immigration.  Not so.  Chertoff not long ago said that he couldn't spend his department's time chasing after "maids" who might be illegal.  In other words, Chertoff didn't even comprehend the basic fact that, with 12 million illegal immigrants wandering around the country, it would be impossible to know, in advance, what job a potential terrorist might be performing.  
Seven years after September 11th, 2001, our borders are completely insecure.  A border fence is slowly, slowly being built.  The quantity of employees on border patrol is almost comically low when compared to the 12 million estimated illegal immigrants.  
Seven years after September 11, 2001, the automated database E-Verify is not being used by all employers to ascertain whether prospective employees might be here illegally and have invalid Social Security Numbers.
Seven years later, the REAL ID driver's license is just a distant future prospect in many states.  Indeed, five states are still issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
None of these very important -- and hotly debated -- public issues are in the article.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.145.138 (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Borders and Ports Not Secure 7 Years after September 11th, 2001

message: What's his relation to Ben Chertoff/Benjamin Chertoff, 9-11 "research editor" for Popular Mechanics? Kwantus 22:37, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
: No relation Pepik70 (talk) 13:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: relation with [[Ben Chertoff]]/[[Benjamin Chertoff]]

message: I italicized city to get the point across--Jaysscholar 04:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "city" 

message: In the last paragarph I put in a link to a nice site with front pages from all the major papers. Please don't remove it until it becomes clear which paper he was talking about. Right now, the whole "dodging the bullet" thing looks an awful lot like a bald faced lie.
If it turns out to be true, it will then be open for discussion why the feds are using front page headlines for meteorlogical study.
→ It's 'Bold faced lie,' not bald.  70.177.15.225 22:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New Orleans Dodges The Bullet" 

message: It's fairly widely known that Chertoff negotiated a deal with lawyers for John Walker Lindh that involved dropping all but one charges against the young man in return for a) a guilty plea to the remaining one -- which did not involve taking arms against the US or fighting anyone; b) withdrawal of his claim that he had been tortured while in US custodyl and c) acceptance that he would not speak about his treatment during the plea=bargained 20-year sentence negotiated. Several sources: Good one was The Nation, February 14, 2005, citing Lindh's defense lawyer, who was involved in the negotiation with DoJ.
121.44.113.94 (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The above poster seems pretty pro-Lindh to me. The use of the term "young man" seems to be too cuddly and cute to describe Lindh. He was a traitor and a commando. There is no need to pretty him up. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Walker Lindh 

message: Hi, I am new to editing pages, and would like some guidance on best practices to improve this page. I am most interested in a good structure and NPOV. Some specific questions:
The opening paragraph seems pretty "newsy" to me. I think Katrina information is definitely a defining bio-detail, but I think the border waivers is more curent events. It is detailed later in the bio, which makes more sense to me.
Section Public Service: nothing is cited in this section. Is it okay to just remove this (per the BLP policy that says to remove unsources or poorly sourced material. I guess I could add the info from his official bio--that would at least be cited.
Section: Secretary of Homeland Security, my questions here are more regarding style. Other bios don't seem to have extensive quoting of news sources. Is it appropriate to update this (shorten significantly) for example, 
Chertoff signed waivers of the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act and other environmental laws to install additional physical barriers and roads at the Southwest border.  Congress gave the Secretary of Homeland Security authority to waive legal requirements to expeditiously build the border fence. This effort has been criticized on environmental and legal grounds.[cites to NYT and CRS)
 
Question, is this enough description of the controversy for NPOV?
That's all for starters. I expect there will be more! Kos42 (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help in Improving this page 

message: Besides for its NPOV problems, it is unsourced (if not factually incorrect). There are no sources for the criticism from human rights organizations of civil liberty groups. The one source provided for the criticism of the Katrina response made no mention of him.  One Times op-ed does not equal "widely criticized" and surely doesn't belong in the lede of a WP:BLP. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  explanation for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Chertoff&diff=245373915&oldid=245372637 lede removal] 

message: A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Michael Chertoff was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bot-created subpage

message: Doesn't this guy have investments in companies that sell "anti-terrorist" items to the government???  Something rings a bell in the back of my mind that this guy owns a significant investment in - and is profiting from - the very laws he wrote.  Maybe it's airport screening machines???  Can somebody please comment on this???  I went to his Wiki bio page to read up on this . . . . and found nothing - which I found very surprising.  I would swear that I had read about this in the past, but I could be wrong.  If he does, and it its not in his bio, it's a huge hole.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.52.201 (talk) 11:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Why Is Michael Chertoff So Excited About Full-Body Scanners? [gawker.com] suggests that the body scanning machine manufacturers are clients of his consulting firm. -- 203.82.66.206 (talk) 12:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Chertoff's investments

message: are there really no better portrait of him? he litterly looks like nosferatu extremely evil. if any jewish wikipedians here I would like to ask them this:would you have this image a representive of jews?
Can anyone help me find a better picture to improve the article?109.225.101.247 (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image portrait? 

message: The article currently suggests he did research assistant work for Ely as an undergraduate, but that seems somewhat unlikely to me, given (1) Ely was a professor at the Law School and HLS professors hire HLS students (not undergrads) to do research work, and (2) Ely's book Democracy and Distrust was published in 1980, so it chronologically makes more sense that Chertoff would've done the research while in law school, not in college. Anybody have any specific information that he did the research as an undergrad? If not, I'm going to change this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivytoarmy (talk • contribs) 04:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, went ahead and made that change.Ivytoarmy (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research for John Hart Ely 

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message: Two problems with this article. First, portions of the article are unsourced. Second, many sources used in the article are primary sources or other sources that do not fit Wikipedia's reliability guidelines. 24.29.56.240 (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: Chertoff is Chairman of the Freedom House Board of Trustees, according to Freedom House. Is this a suitable source to use? Ungulates (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom House