Talk:Vladimir Socor

message: Why are we quoting this article which was not written by Socor? Is only to show that the Institute which published an article of Socor had published also other articles supporting attacks on different countries in Middle East? I don't believe is relevant for Socor, it can be relevant for an article about the above mentioned institute.--MariusM 12:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point -- this whole thing is messed up.  The article needs to be revised.  Turgidson 13:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Point? Actually, I am not at all sure what MariusM means to say. While the article he links to above is indeed not written by Socor, it mentions Socor and is a valid source for an article about Socor. Surely we are not limited to only using source material written by Socor himself as the basis for Socor's entry. Or am I missing where MariusM is going with this? I don't think he has a point at all. - Mauco 02:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to be polemic, but the quote is taken out of context as it pertains to IASPS. As the original article clearly shows, and as widely quoted controversy about IASPS from Washington Post and other sources demonstrate, the key aspect of the organization is precisely what is currently highlighted in the article: Its overly aggressive (hardline / hawkish) stance on advocating confrontation between Israel and nearby states. This, quite rightly, is therefore what is highlighted in the summary. Mauco 03:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not to be polemic, but why is the ad-literam, paragraph-long quote I gave "taken out of context", when it's the only paragrapoh in the linked page that has the word "Socor" in it, whereas the "quote" in the article (which is not a quote, is it?) is more accurate?  As for what the "article clearly shows", and what the "Washington Post and other sources demonstrate" -- well, I don't know, where exactly is the "demonstration"? And, once again, why try to argue this here, and not on a separate page for the IASPS?  Turgidson 03:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In full agreement: As I have pointed out on your talk page, it is best to create a separate stub for IASPS. Please do so. For better or worse, what the organization is most known for is not Socor, nor its recommendations on the need for "nation building" and "operations against terrorists" but for its hardline/hawkish recommendations on the need for aggressiveness in the Mid-East peace process. This is what the stub must highlight, and we can then remove the rather irrevelant discussion of IASPS from Socor. - Mauco 04:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, thanks, but no thanks:  I have many other interests, both at wikipedia and elsewhere, and writing about the IASPS is not at all high on my priority list (though I may contribute tangentially if anyone else were to start it -- maybe).  Also, in all truthfulness, I am interested in this article about Socor only inasmuch as I can be of some help in conjuring a sense of fair play and neutrality about the subject (I first got to look at the article when I was just starting at wikipedia, and reasearching material for the this -- I stumbled upon an old article of Socor which was useful, and is now quoted there a whole bunch of times, by several contributors), and a sense of proportion and perspective regarding the wider issues I mentioned in the above.  Right now, I don't quite see that happening, but hopefully things will improve with time.  Turgidson 04:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good call, MariusM.   Let's keep articles (especially biographies of living people) focussed on the subject, and not engage in rather irrelevant discussions of this or that organization.  Turgidson 22:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The Economist labeling of Mr Socor as "hawkish pro-Moldovan" has been restored as per your reference. The previous reference was a broken link and the confirmation of the source and claim of Economist calling Mr Socor "hawkish pro-Moldovan" was not possible, that was why the passage "hawkish pro-Moldovan" was removed wrongly. My apologies. Iberieli (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Relevance

message: The source cited for Socor's support for the Iraq war does not support this claim. If he did indeed support the war, I don't think it would be difficult to cite some work where he did voice his support. The one used, however, supports no such claim. Therefore, it has been deleted pending a new, accurate citation. Republicandor (talk) 19:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article which is from March 23, 2003, and it is titled "The Real Energy Solution Is Not in Iraq" written by Vladimir Socor. The URL is http://www.iasps.org/opeds/show_article.php?lang=2&main=&type=4&article_id=188 and he also talks about the need to "reorder the Middle East."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.72.234.196 (talk) 04:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I saw this article as it was cited the first time. Again, this source does NOT support the assertion that Socor "advocated for 'the U.S. led war to rid Iraq...'". This source cited is (1) written after the fact, and (2) is not explicit in advocating support for the war. Thus, until you can produce a citation for an explicit endorsement, this claim will again be deleted. Any citation, even a excerpt from a radio/media interview would do. If he really was an advocate as you claim, this should not be difficult to find. Please do not include this assertion again without further sourcing.71.252.123.221 (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
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