Talk:St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery

message: Obvious question - why not move it to St. Michael Golden-Domed Monastery or simply Golden-Domed Monastery? Also, please use the image uploaded by me to Svyatoslav II. --Ghirla | talk 02:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose to simplify it even further. St Michaels Monastery in Kiev. Like Pochayiv Lavra Kuban kazak 00:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old, unsectioned comments

message: This article meets ALL of the Good Article criteria; It is well written, factual, well-organized, neutral, and has good photos. --GoOdCoNtEnT 22:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article

message: Hi, I've cleaned up the main picture a little bit in the commons. Hopefully will help in the FA nomination. Best, -- mno 01:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main picture 

message: I've done some copy editing of this article, removing the excessive and incorrect commas, changing articles and conjunctions to agree with normal Standard English style, and trying to vary the structure of the sentences so that they don't seem monotonous to a native English speaker. I have a question about the following sentence fragment, though:
::After Ukraine regained independence in 1991, the demolition of the monastery was deemed a crime...
This begs the question: by whom? The word "crime" means (if we're writing Wikipedia in encyclopedic style) that actual criminal charges were or are pending against someone, or that a recognized authority (the police, the mayor) announced that the act was a crime. If so, the individual or individuals who called it a crime should be identified. If it's just the general consensus that it was a legally chargeable offence, that should also be said (for instance, "...1991, many residents of Kiev spoke up to denounce the monastery's demolition as a criminal act."). If the demolition was instead just thought of as a horrible, horrible event by the people of Kiev and not an actual chargeable offence, I'd strongly suggest changing the word "crime" to something that doesn't have a legal meaning, such as "horror" or "abomination" (for instance, "...1991, many residents of Kiev spoke up to denounce the monastery's demolition as an abomination."). Both of these suggestions also put the event in active language rather than the passive language of the original sentence.
Again, forgive me for making these changes, but the topic of the article is so interesting that I'd like to see it make featured article status, and that's more likely if the grammar and punctuation is correct. --70.72.19.133 14:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for fixing it up:) I am not a native speaker of English, so I'm glad someone took the liberty of fixing up the grammatical errors. Acutally, I did not write that sentance, you will have to ask User:Ghirlandajo about the details. But I do agree that it was deemed wrongful at the time (or perhaps instead of crime, change it to: wrongdoing, deemed incorrect...?) If we do not find a reference for it, let's either drop that phrase, change it to what you suggested to either horror or abomination, or what I suggested. Cheers,  —dimæ [diskussion—[[User talk:DDima/Archive 1|archiv] ]] 20:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: You're going to hate me

message: I'm at a loss here: I suspect a false cognate: are gates of the monastic community intended here, as in a sense of "household"? --Wetman 10:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it fairly likely that Економічна is a false friend. Let's see what Ukrainian speakers think. --Ghirla -трёп- 11:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Economic Gates"

message: Congratulations to everyone involved with this fantastic article. It brought back memories of an all too short, but very enjoyable trip to Ukraine, which included a brief visit to the St. Michaels in 2001, which I now know was just about the perfect time to have gone since most of the restoration was just completed.  Well done--KaptKos 11:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todays Featured Article

message: There's no indication of whether it is a functioning monastery. Do monks live there? If so, do they belong to the uncanonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate or to the "official" Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church? What order do they belong to? (Do Eastern Orthodox religious even have different orders like Western ones do?) If it's not a functioning monastery, how is the building used today? As a museum? I'm surprised this wasn't brought up during the FAC discussion. Angr 13:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read carefully. The article says that the monastery belongs to Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate, rather than Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate). I have no idea which of these churches is considered "official" by Yuschenko's admininstration. There are no monastic orders in Orthodox church (apart from such movements as Hesychasm). --Ghirla -трёп- 13:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Take a look at the first sentence. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding that. It would still be nice if there were some discussion of the community who lives there then. All I meant by "official" is that the UOC-KP is described in its article as "viewed uncanonical by the Eastern Orthodox communion"; I didn't mean literally "official" as in recognized by Yushchenko's government. Angr 16:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Functioning monastery? 

message: The article was written about 11 years ago and must be upgraded. Then, the "architecture" paragraph is just like a small duplicate of the history, saying nothing about the actual complex: how many domes? How big? Colours of the church walls? Etc. --Holapaco77 (talk) 03:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrading and expanding the article 

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message: Hi editors, this article has not been formally reviewed since 2006 and I am concerned that it does not meet the featured article criteria anymore. I have outlined some of my concerns below:
*The lede should be expanded to include more information from the body of the article.
*The image of St. Michael on the left is causing MOS:SANDWICH
*The "Demolition of the cathedral and belltower" jumps around in its timeline, especially in the parts about the mosaics. I wish this section was broken up into sections considering its length.
*The article contains biased language and words to watch such as "valuable ancient artifacts" (don't need valuable) or "melodies of famous Ukrainian composers can be heard." does not need famous, and should probably explain which melodies were picked and why.
*The article needs a copyedit (Examples include: "Authors of the project - architect V. Shevchenko and architect I. Karakis (interiors and furniture)." and "soviet" with a small s)
*Except for the "Headquarters" section, there is not much information about the monastery post-2006. This article needs to be updated.
*I think there can be more information about the architecture of the buildings that were on the site previously and currently, such as the belltower.
*What is the cultural legacy of this building? Is it a major landmark in Kiev?
*Rapoport's source is not referenced in the article. Can we use information from this source?
*There are a bunch of sources on the Ukrainian wiki that are not used here. Are any of these useful in expanding this article?
Is anyone interested in helping to improve this article? Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: FA concerns

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I propose that the section about the demolition be split into a separate page called Demolition of St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery. The content of the section is only directly related to the main article, but this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. The section as it stands can be reduced so that a smaller proportion of the article as a whole discusses aspects such as the monastery's history, religious life, and architecture. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This split is fine by me and sounds like a new interesting addition to Wikipedia. I hope that you do not mind that I will probably not contribute to it.... I am just not very knowledgeable about it and am having other priorities then Wikipedia currently. Anyhow, good luck with future editing! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal 

message: The city’s name is spelled two ways. It should conform to good editing practice, the main article title Kyiv, and guidelines like WP:MODERNPLACENAME (“For articles discussing the present, use the modern English name”). The “RfC: Kyiv/Kiev in other articles” vote does not apply here.  —Michael Z. 16:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Now hopefully sorted, feel free to amend any I have missed. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. There’s still a couple of instances in image captions.  —Michael Z. 19:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent spelling of Kyiv