Talk:Smadar Lavie

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I removed certain paragraphs from the Talk about this entry. (Some of them are not relevant anymore, and some of them were libelious and offensive.) All the non-offensive bits were left unchanged. GL 05:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: You are more likely to get help with the tags on there. The tag lets people know that your article needs wikifying  -- it's not a stigma -- it doesn't mean your article is bad. There are many Wikipedians who spend their time trying clear up the articles needing wikifying. Without the tag you are less likely to get help. Plus the tag has links to the Style Manual etc. showing you the rules you need to follow.  Mattisse(talk) 22:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The wikify tag notifies the Wikipedia community that you need help 

message: Just let the facts speak for themselves, with referencing citations of course. There is no immediate danger here. Mattisse(talk) 23:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much improved since you removed all that extra stuff 

message: Please cite sources for these controversies. biographies of living persons require a high degree of citation and reliable sources. If none are provided then this whole article could be deleted in the future since the information could be seen as libel. Konman72 10:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite Sources

message: I have hacked out everything but one paragraph which should be easy to justify.
Once you have referenced this properly, you can add more stuff in, but you're going to have to justify everything A LOT.
Anybody adding further attacks to this article is likely to be subject to sanctions of a lengthy nature.
HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 12:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and I've taken advice and protected it, so work out any changes here on the talk-page in a peacable manner, please. —Phil | Talk 12:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive prune 

message: I would propose to remove even that single paragraph until things are clarified on the discussion board. Can you please do that? GL 14:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please remove even that single paragraph 

message: * A Census of UC - Davis Social Science Faculty as of April 1998 meantions "Smadar Lavie, Associate Professor (also in Critical Theory)"
* UC David General Catalogue mentions "Smadar Lavie, Ph.D., Associate Professor (Anthropology, Critical Theory)"
These are two independent websites of UC Davis, both mentioning Prof. Lavie as "Associate Professor."
GL 20:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence that Smadar Lavie was, indeed, an Associate Professor at UC Davis 

message: For all those who ever dared to cast doubt into the title of Professor Lavie:
* Promotion to Associate Professor, Step II, dated July 22, 1994, signed by Larry N. Vanderhoef, the Chancellor.
* Promotion to Associate Professor, Step IV, dated April 21, 1997, signed by Professor Peter Rodman, the chair of the Department of Anthropology.
* Confirmation of rank Associate Professor Step IV, and invitation to apply for promition for (full) Professor, Step I, dated June 9, 1998, signed by  Professor Robert L. Bettinger, the chair of the Department of Anthropology.
GL 15:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letters of appointment of Professor Smadar Lavie 

message: Since this was also a subject of debate, I uploaded a scan of her passport (with its number covered) showing 05 Mar 1955 as date of birth.
:The matter seems to have been resolved on the Hebrew wiki page. There's no reason not to include her date of birth on the English one.
:128.36.38.92 (talk) 03:57, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The birthdate is both contentious and contested (via OTRS). In such cases to meet BLP policy the date is either excluded, or only the year is given if it is supported by reliable sources. I have not seen anything that meets reliable sourcing criteria presented and have removed the BLP violating link that was previously included in this section.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 18:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professor Lavie's Age 

message: This is the verdict of the Israeli Supreme Court concerning the custody case (personal status) of Professor Lavie's son, in Hebrew:
* Page 1
* Page 2
* Page 3
* Page 4
And its English translation is available here:
* PDF format
The legal terms are not perfect in this English translation (e.g., it should be leave of appeal instead of permission of appeal), but these are minor errors caused by translating the original Hebrew text verbatim.
There has never been any criminal charges against Professor Lavie, and the documents here are of civil nature. The court found that Professor Lavie was acting in order to save her son when she removed him from the USA.
GL 06:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verdict of the Supreme Court of Israel 

message: Gabor, I am not going to go into a deletion and counter deletion war with you. You chose to remove Smadar Lavie's biographical details from the "discussion", 
=== Indeed ===
I did so in accordance with Wikipedia's policy that I quoted above. Indeed, and editor could be very helpful in resolving this issue. To satisfy your interest, I uploaded to my personal page Professor Lavie's letters of appointments.  
(the above is by GL, I believe.).
GL 15:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is There an Editor Reading This? 

message: I did so in accordance with Wikipedia's policy that I quoted above. Indeed, and editor could be very helpful in resolving this issue. To satisfy your interest, I uploaded to my personal page Professor Lavie's letters of appointments.  
(the above is by GL, I believe.).
GL 15:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indeed 

message: Someone is consistently entering erroneous information regarding Prof. Lavie's Macalester appointment. If the Wikipedia editors won't stop this person right away we will upload all relevant documents here, same as we provided information pertaining to her employment history in the past, when her credibility was defamed.  We will contact Wikipedia's headquarters and request to block this defamatory user, as we have done in the past. Despite the nick, we have found out the real identity of the previous defamer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.194.21 (talk) 18:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macalester Appointment 

message: Please update as follows:
For academic year 2009/10 Lavie is an associate professor visiting the University of Virginia's interdisciplinary Studies in Women and Gender program. http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=11151
see here for a better bio http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=2449
madar Lavie is a cultural anthropologist. She was born in Jaffa  to a Yemenite mother and a Lithuanian father. She regards herself as a Mizrahi (Hebrew: "Easterner"), an Arab-Jew.
Lavie specializes in the anthropology of Egypt, Israel and Palestine, with special emphasis on issues of race, gender and religion. She has written a classic, The Poetics of Military Occupation (Univ. of Calif. Press, 1990), on the resistance theatre of the Mzeina Bedouin of the South Sinai in Egypt, whom she has been studying from 1975 to the present. Since 1989 she has been studying the Mizrahim. She co-edited with Ted Swedenburg the oft-quoted Displacement, Diaspora, and Geographies of Identity (Duke Univ. Press, 1996).
Lavie received her doctorate in Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley in 1989. In 1990, she became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College.
In 2007-2009, she held the Hubert H. Humphrey Distinguished Visiting Professorship of Islam and the Middle East at Macalester College, St. Paul, Minnesota. Currently (2010), she is an Associate Professor at the Department for Studies in Women and Gender at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville -- see this March 2010 article about her in UVa Today.
While in Israel, Lavie was on the board of directors of Ahoti (Hebrew: "Sistah"), the movement of Israeli feminists of colour, and served on the advisory board of Israel's Women's Parliament. She was one of the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow representatives in Israel's NGO Coalition Against Racism. With Esther Hertzog she co-founded the Women's NGO Coalition for Mothers and Children. 
24.125.41.104 (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've put in the University of Virginia reference. I don't think that the Cork Palestine Society website is considered a reliable source, so we would need another reference for the later material. Why don't you sign up for an account, so that you can make edits yourself? RolandR (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

text: We cannot accept private, unpublished correspondence as reliable sources, because they are not verifiable. I'm sorry, but I hope that you appreciate we need to be very careful with biographic information. Facts that are not in the public domain - through their publication - are not appropriate for Wikipedia. See WP:V, WP:RS. Addition of these facts would require their publication in appropriate, independent, third-party references (such as a newspaper article. a book, etc).   Chzz  ►  01:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

text: What exactly should be done with these sources, and which facts in particular do they support?  fetchcomms☛ 03:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit requests March 2010 

message: Please add the following information after Professor Lavie's education credentials:
Lavie became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. 
Following verifications are from the discussion page of Lavie in Wiki:
http://registrar.ucdavis.edu/ucdwebcatalog99_00/WebCatCrs/gc_ant.htm
http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Associate_Professor_Step_II.html
http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Associate_Professor_Step_IV.html
http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Eligble_Professor_Step_I.html
Please add the following information:
In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, 
Following verification is as follows - please note that email address of author of the text found in this link is Professor Lavie's son
http://www.courageouskids.net/stories/s.htm
Please add the following information:
and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College. 
Following verification is from the discussion page of Lavie in Wiki
http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Beit_Berl_status.png
Thank you. Please let me know whether you would like information about Professor Lavie's contributions to Anthropology. Thanks.
Renate18 (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot accept private, unpublished correspondence as reliable sources, because they are not verifiable. I'm sorry, but I hope that you appreciate we need to be very careful with biographic information. Facts that are not in the public domain - through their publication - are not appropriate for Wikipedia. See WP:V, WP:RS. Addition of these facts would require their publication in appropriate, independent, third-party references (such as a newspaper article. a book, etc).   Chzz  ►  01:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 2 

message: Verifiable facts re Professor Lavie's University of California Associate Professorship:
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/2558.php
http://books.google.com/books?id=7t25kKLwyiMC&pg=PA333&lpg=PA333&dq=smadar+lavie+university+of+california+associate+professor&source=bl&ots=QuaYFv4N76&sig=TDmKi0C94unuJ6m4ZmMXH6Q7ETc&hl=en&ei=R8SuS_rzMIGdlgfMk8yRAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=smadar%20lavie%20university%20of%20california%20associate%20professor&f=false
http://news.clas.virginia.edu/womenstudies/x16078.xml
http://books.google.com/books?id=9R67z2G2kvMC&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=smadar+lavie+university+of+california+associate+professor&source=bl&ots=BUtw9WeXyB&sig=E2EEd75_OflT-xx36erwvtbUA9A&hl=en&ei=s8SuS8uoGoK0lQeW8KmDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAUQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=smadar%20lavie%20university%20of%20california%20associate%20professor&f=false
http://www.aaanet.org/about/Elections/upload/Middle-East-Section-2.pdf
http://www.suffolk.edu/college/30185.html
Professor Lavie received the 2009 Gloria Anzaldua Prize of the American Studies Association
http://news.clas.virginia.edu/womenstudies/x16080.xml
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123228435/abstract
Renate18 (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly should be done with these sources, and which facts in particular do they support?  fetchcomms☛ 03:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 3 

message: An answer to question re the many independent sources, aboe :
One ought to complete the missing parts of Prof. Lavie's biography:
1990-1993 - Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory - University of California, Davis, USA
1994-1999 - Associate Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory - University of California, Davis, USA
2001-2007 - Visiting Associate Professor of Anthropology and Women Studies - Beit Berl College, Israel.
Her UC Davis letters of promotion appearing in her discussion page, and entered by a Math faculty in Manitoba didn't seem to be enough for a Wiki editor, above, so we searched the net and found ample reference supporting her bio as it appears in the PIWP site. We would not dare enter the text ourselves, so please add the missing information. Thank you.
Renate18 (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 4 

message: All outside sources submitted yesterday have dates on them - either during the publication date, or as for the American Anthropological Association PDF, exact dates. A national association, the largest of its kind in the world, is a very accurate resource. 
Text to be added ought to read as follows:
In 1990, she became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College source (please hit 'page down" until you reach the full abbreviated bio with photo) : http://www.aaanet.org/about/Elections/upload/Middle-East-Section-2.pdf
Renate18 (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 5 

message: Reliable sources have been provided, above. Please explain why google books or u.c. davis roaster is not reliable. Thanks.
Renate.
Renate18 (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 6 

message: see here:
http://registrar.ucdavis.edu/ucdwebcatalog99_00/WebCatCrs/gc_ant.htm
http://www.antropologica.unisi.it/index.php?title=Smadar_Lavie
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/sce/BellagioDec.html
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a912088515&db=all
Renate18 (talk) 22:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 7 

message: Regarding all of the above requests, we are unable to proceed if the request is not in a clear, concise format. A request should give the details of a specific change - Please change "XXX" to "YYY", reference ZZZ.
Please format requests in this way.
If there is more than one request, please list them - but ensure that each specific request is clear, and has a reference.
At the moment, we have a collection of suggestions and various references - it is not possible for us to see which requests refer to which references. So, please help us, by making the requests more clear. Many thanks,   Chzz  ►  23:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please give '''specific requests''' 

message: SOMEONE IS MESSING YET AGAIN WITH THIS ITEM. SEE MALICIOUS *INCORRECT* EDIT RE THE PROFESSOR'S POSITION IN IRELAND. 
I HOPE WIKIPEDIA EDITORS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldWivesTales (talk • contribs) 06:32, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pending changes