Talk:Francesca Dani

message: I've proposed deleting this because it seems to be simply promotion material aimed at driving clicks to the model's paysite. She may well be noteworthy, but the page needs to be written with full NPOV. Bedesboy 15:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: References showing she is the subject of multiple published works, per WP:BIO, have been added. --Oakshade 04:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion proposal 

message: Why hasn't this page been deleted? How is this relevant to anything? I'm not sure how this would be of noteworthy information on Wikipedia. -Pickle
I agree, why is this here? She's not a well-known model at all, nor is she even employed by a famous modeling agency. Most models on wiki are employed by either well-known fashion designers or by a famous modeling agency. Francesca Dani is barely known. I call for deletion. - Kimba
Seconded, if anything shes only become little infamous within the cosplay community for her ego. If she can have a page here then there are thousands of other cosplayers that would have their own pages too. This page seems to be nothing more then self advertising. -Dojorkan (talk) 22:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is this here?  

message: I removed the bizarre "Questions" section.  That "she buys costumes without giving credit to their creators" does not in any way negate her notoriety.  And the "proof" apparently being these links ->  ... which don't seem to have anything to do with this challenge (or anything else for that matter).  The first being a cryptic http protocol listing and the other being an old eBay auction. The real references in the article demonstrate great notoriety in cosplay. It appears the sellar of the unknown eBay item (i'm guessing a costume) is in a private credit dispute witht the model and is using Wikipedia in some kind of personal vendetta. Wikipedia isn't a place to display personal gripes at article subjects.  --Oakshade 18:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither is Wikipedia a place that espouses selective removal of legal, factual and relevant content. That Ms. Danni did in fact buy her costume from the said dealer is a well-known fact which Ms. Danni herself admitted. If you wish for this article to feature her "cosplay notoriety" then you should very well know that stating the maker of the said costumes -- the very costumes that catapulted her into the spotlight -- is important information. I am appalled at your audacity to charge the editors of mounting a vendetta when all that was meant is to provide a link to the source of her costumes. With all these in mind, I advise you to be wary of your inconsistency and prepossessions. Also, co-editors of this page -- fans, dissenters and neutrals alike -- have provided unreliable, or at the very least, highly variable and uncited information (such as her vital statistics). Wikipedia is not Myspace. While I do not challenge the existence of this page, I question its voice, standpoint and reliability. Amicalement, Revue 09:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you're going to make a personal attack or include controversial information on a topic, it must be sourced.  Period.  The "everybody knows this person is bad" attack without any factual citation of such is what's truly appalling.  If you can provide any 3rd party source, even from one of these cosplay publications, supporting the controversial statements, I won't argue against them. --Oakshade 19:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I sincerely hope that you did not just add a straw man into the argument. But in case you miss it again, let me reiterate: Nobody said "everybody knows this person is bad." Stating the source of her costumes is NOT an attack. Amicalement, Revue 15:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The links provided, as explained above, show nothing but an old eBay auction.  That there is a costume credit dispute does not change this model's celebrity status.  As stated in WP:Biographies of living persons, "Unsourced or poorly sourced  controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material  about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, and user pages."  And as far as the page being here, 1. an editor created the article and 2, there are many third party published works on this person establishing notability.  A personal costume credit dispute doesn't belong here. --Oakshade 23:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced attack

message: If FD has this page, why doesn't Yaya Han have one? Just wondering... Dancehallqueen123 18:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Which is why I just put it up for AfD (again). Realistically neither of them, nor just about any cosplayer, meets WP notability requirements (*maybe* Man-Faye but even that's stretching). Especially in this case because all the info is autobiographical in nature and seems to be largely self-promoting. Kensuke Aida 17:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a question 

message: not only is the entry an advertisment to her pay nude site, it leaves out details that are 
credible, and would be damaging to her rep. if we gave every cosplayer their own page, wikipedia would turn to garbage quickly. not to mention her photo is a heavy shopped picture. delete it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evaunit01berserk (talk • contribs) 19:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to vote for the deletion on the deletion discussion. It is currently up for AfD. You can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Francesca_Dani_%28Unknown_nomination%29 Kensuke Aida 21:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  calling for deletion 

message: This is interesting, and comes from a reliable, intellectually independent, third party news source used on Wikipedia before. I think it might warrant inclusion:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-08-30/world-cosplay-summit-ends-in-aichi
--Kensuke Aida (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is actually very interesting. I complemented some of your text so that the news source could be used only for verification (the original text per se was a little vague). I also added a small comment on the age controversy, a very polemic topic about Francesca Dani. Since her true year of birth should be very hard to verificate (let's face it, her own website or MySpace profile are NOT very reliable sources), I removed the year from the info box and from the beginning of the article. This is very similar to what was done on Gackt's article. KeiMakino (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: There is a pose that has become popular amongst cosplayers called the "Fran Dan", where said cosplayers can be seen holding one hand near their mouths and puckering their lips, in an attempt to mimic Francesca Dani's "signature" pose. It's not really documented,  but it can be seen in quite a few photo galleries on various cosplay community sites.
Should it be mentioned in the article? Dancehallqueen123 (talk) 18:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It should probably be mentioned, since it was a fairly big phenomenon in 2007 anime conventions that helped to popularize Francesca Dani's image. I'm just not sure if it should or should not include any links or photos of the "Fran Dan". KeiMakino (talk) 16:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The pose is not terribly unique to her, even; being reminiscent of 50's advertising,  a pose portraying pleasant shock or surprise. 81.187.6.201 (talk) 11:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fran Dan" poses 

message: If she has a page, why can't I? I can pose in dresses, too. 81.187.6.201 (talk) 11:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If your posing in dresses garnered secondary coverage from multiple reliable independent sources, then you can have an article too.  Good luck with that. --Oakshade (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

text: This is so grammatically off, I don't even know what I'd be responding to.  It seems to be some kind of WP:IDONTLIKEIT declaration. --Oakshade (talk) 01:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third call for deletion 

message: Cosplayers and softcore pornstars seem to have very dubious value for wikipedia.
Or are we supposed to give every person, no matter how little notability, a page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.165.213.150 (talk) 22:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's your opinion, but not apparently the majority one - which is why this page has survived three calls for deletion.  Can you offer a new argument, and one not covered before? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another call for deletion 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Francesca Dani. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070509233149/http://henshin.uol.com.br/wcs/2006/05/26/celebridade-cosplay to http://henshin.uol.com.br/wcs/2006/05/26/celebridade-cosplay/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070929131933/http://www.animeportugal.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=59 to http://www.animeportugal.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=59
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified