Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing/Archive 1

message: Created Indy Grand Prix of Mid-Ohio page, (working race title) and transferred past CART race results per the previous templates of race pages. No known logo on Wiki for the track (can't find a good one anyplace else either right now), nor is there a logo for the race yet. A track map is currently the placeholder. Attempted to chase all the links. Doctorindy 19:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mid-Ohio

message: Per the IRL release, the Infineon race is now called the Indy Grand Prix of Sonoma County. Old page will be moved to the new title, so that the various links will redirect. Other links elseware should be revised. Doctorindy 19:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do they have to put INDY in EVERY SINGLE racename?  Name it the Grand Prix of Sonoma and be done with the market saturation: there is one Indy. --Chr.K. 14:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infineon

message: #Get a template for quality in articles put into the Project (template for importance is possible, but I'd ask who's to say what matters most, with the kind of questions people give Donald).
#Determine if the archived WIBC broadcasts of The Talk of Gasoline Alley qualify as a viable source for information on auto racing, and open-wheel specifically.  I know I've never heard him not correct any error he rarely gives. --Chr.K. 14:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things to do 

message: "Open Wheel Racing" isn't a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized. (I'm a pedant, I know). Recury 14:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be capitalized if it was the name of a business? If so, keep it as is. --Chr.K. 22:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it the name of a business? Recury 23:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OWRS once had all the words capitalized. --Chr.K. 11:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I had never seen it like done like that before, but looking at the other projects, some do, some don't. Recury 02:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the sake of keeping things simple, I think it's fine the way it is. If someone wants to chase everything, I guess they could change it to lower-case. Doctorindy 17:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project name 

message: *I noticed new Champ Car track footer template was created. Very good, now that needs to be placed on all the respective tracks
*One thing I noticed is that not all of the Champ Car races have race pages. The ones that don't need to be created. 
**In addition, a Champ Car Race info box, very similiar to the IRL race info box has to be created, and added to all of the Champ car race pages (and the new ones). There appears to be only one thing that needs to be changed....the line that says "First IRL race" needs to change to "First Champ Car race"
**Race logos need to be collected for the Champ Car season and uploaded (PROPERLY!) to Wiki to display in the race infobox. When uploading, just so everyone knows, you can upload a jpg/gif of the race logo, as long as it is marked with the "Logo" licensing box.
*A consensus has to be made about listing past results of races that no longer are run. In the NASCAR Wiki, they add it to the race track's page, with only a handful of exceptions. Seems reasonable. But all races that are currently on both series' schedules need to have a seperate page.
*Prior to the start of the project, a consensus seems to have been made about street courses and their race. Since street courses really aren't noteworthy outside of the race, we've gone ahead and had just ONE page, merging the info about the circuit and the race....for example see...Honda Grand Prix of St. Petersburg. There used to be a page Streets of St. Petersburg, but it was kind of a strech, and it's been better since we merged the two.  Doctorindy 21:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I did create the IRL season pages patterned after the NASCAR system. We could definitely convert the points standings for seasons prior to 2005 to the pretty table used in 2006 (maybe minus the car color coding since liveries for some of the more obscure entries may no longer be readily available). I personally don't feel that independent race pages for non-indy 500 races are necessary. WP:NASCAR is a much more mature project and doesn't have these nor are they moving towards this. Also, I don't see many people wanting to use wikipedia to find out the complete results for the 2001 True Value 500k or 1993 Portland CART race. I think the focus here needs to be on telling the story and history of championship car rather than just providing heaps of raw data. -Drdisque 16:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: **That seems fine with me. More pages means more work, and like you said, people probably aren't coming to Wiki to find out race results from 15 years ago. I like the way the IRL season pages were done, but I think they could be fancier for 2007 now that we have a team effort in place. For example, right now we show the top 10 in list form. A small table would be cleaner I think, add the flag icons, etc. Plus they list the pole winner, but no pole speed. Maybe someday I'd take a stab at making a demo version of one race. Doctorindy 19:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: ***I'm in favor of leaning an F-1 direction in season pages and standards, due to them taking care to go into almost obscene detail...which I love, admittedly.  I'd rather affiliate with the style of the high-and-mighty techno European world than with the people who invented green-white-checkererd... --Chr.K. 11:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TO DO LIST- Champ Car Race Pages 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. Also, I note that yours is a comparatively new project. You may be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide, which has a lot of information regarding project organization from several of the most successful WikiProjects. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. Badbilltucker 17:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: It sounds like an assessment was proposed in point #1 under the "Things to do" section. I like how WikiProject NASCAR assesses both quality and importance (see Talk:Jeff Gordon for an example) as part of the WikiProject's template. It would be relatively easy for me to tag all articles as unassessed (for both criteria) with my bot (using its find and replace feature) if that is needed. I could attempt tackle updating the WikiProject template:  if consensus is to go that direction. The template logic looks extremely tricky, so copying and editing the WP NASCAR would be the way to go. What does everyone think of my proposal? Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 14:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment?

message: There has been a merge request put up for the following articles that needs some attention:
*Detroit Indy Grand Prix
*Detroit Grand Prix
*United States Grand Prix East
*Belle Isle (Michigan)
I propose that all four be merged into Detroit Indy Grand Prix since that is the current evolution of the event. F1 results can be listed above the CART results, as they would be in chronological order otherwise. Doctorindy 16:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Detroit

message: I was able to create a wiki-dump from my "500" database. Please review and comment.
Below are the results for Rick Mears (http://indy500.tjs-labs.com/list-driver-wiki.php?name=RICK+MEARS) -- Mycroft.Holmes 21:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://tjs-labs.com/indy500/list-driver-wiki.php?name=JIMMY+BRYAN
All you need to do now is a ctrl-A to select all, then a ctrl-C to copy, and ctrl-V into the page you're editting.--Mycroft.Holmes 15:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Indy 500 Career Results Standard

message: Ugh, I'd really like to get rid of the F1 POV in many of the Indy pages. For example, the 1951 Indy 500 results starts out like this:
:The 1951 Indianapolis 500 was a Formula One race held on Wednesday, May 30, 1951 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
Many driver articles have a similar "F1 slant" to them. For example, Duke Nalon's career stats at Indy were limited to his participation in the 1950's. I've added stats for his entire career.
I think it's interesting to remember that Indy was an F1 race in the 1950's. But it's a footnote to Indy history. Perhaps a new article summarizing F1 results over the time period.--Mycroft.Holmes 17:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. I have noticed the F1 slant too, especially with some of the midget and sprint car drivers from the era who are incorrectly touted as F1 drivers. I have been slowly updating the articles with data about their primary racing career in midget and sprint from pages in the sprint car and midget car halls of fame. Many of the articles get a huge expansion and are taken in a new direction. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 04:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That the Indianapolis 500s 1950-1960 are F-1 races as well should be included as a major point, however. --Chr.K. 11:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indy ain't F-1 ... never has been. My main source books MAKE NO MENTION OF THE F-1 CONNECTION. It's a footnote to Indy history, at BEST. The "500" is a peculiar little thing, with its own lingo, traditions, and statistical "oddities". These pages should perpetutate that. We should not, under any circumstances, try to make Indy fit into the F-1 Euro-mold.--Mycroft.Holmes 13:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove F1 POV in Indy pages?

message: The table below shows all drivers with starts from 1950 to 1959. In my opinion, we should have ONE article based around this table, explaining how Indy fit in to the F1 schedule during those years and supplying this table, expanded perhaps to include poles, podiums, and points. It might also be interesting to note how many regular F1 drivers participated at Indy during those years (zero?) and how many points were won by regular F1 drivers (zero?). 
Please excuse the non-wiki format of the table. I didn't want to deal with translation just for the purpose of discussion. If we decide we want to use the table, I can change the page to generate proper wiki format, and to include poles, podiums, and points. 
Btw, the table below is also available at http://indy500.tjs-labs.com/most-starts.php?minyear=1950&span=10--Mycroft.Holmes 14:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Indy as F1