Talk:Child labour in cocoa production

message: The article claims that West African nations provide "nearly 50% of world cocoa", but when I checked the article on chocolate at Nationalencyklopedin, the figure for African countries 1994-98 was 63% of world production. The figures for individual nations for the same period was 39% (!) for the Ivory Coast, 11% for Ghana and 10% each for Indonesia and Brazil. I don't doubt that the figures have changed in the past 7 years, but we really need some updated references to get exact percentages.
Peter Isotalo 16:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Barbara Shack 13:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Figures 

message: Please, keep the link out from articles that have nothing to do with it. Like Fazer and Milka. --Thorri 11:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Chocolate and Slavery" link

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User:farialima Dec 23 2005
The picture shows treatment of slaves in the 19th century in North America, whereas the article is about 20th century Africa. Is it really the right place to put it ?
Also, the picture links to a site called "http://www.radicalthought.org/". I do not think that this is link is good: its content is obviously biased; its name does not hide its "radical" point of view, which I respect, but that has no place in an encyclopedic context.
Overall, I have the feeling that this article tends to appeal to sentiments; even if facts are true, I believe that this is not a good way to present them.
I am new to Wikipedia edits but I'd say that this article should have a "NPOV" tag.
:Barbara Shack 12:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know of some relevent images on the www post links to them here and I will see if they are eligible to be loaded. I am removing the current image as it turns the article into a campaign leaflet and not an encyclopaedia article on the topic. Lumos3 17:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture about 19th century while article about 20th/21th century ? 

message: advertisements do not belong in wikipedia.
Benwing 02:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  section 3 is an advertisement 

message: What in the world possessed people to think this belongs in :Category:Confectionery? JIP | Talk 08:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article belongs in :Category:Chocolate industry, or at least :Category:Chocolate.  The former because slavery as labour is used to keep profits as high as possible by some in the commerical production of chocolate (the chocolate industry), or at least the latter because this article is directly related to the subject of chocolate. Kurieeto 15:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every other article in Category:Chocolate and Category:Chocolate industry is about chocolate itself, not about matters connected with chocolate. Because of this, I feel that this article feels out of place in either of them. JIP | Talk 14:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quoting from Wikipedia:Category, "A category is a list page which serves to aid browsing of related topics".  I believe that it's indisputable that this article, chocolate and slavery, is a related topic of chocolate, and therefore at least would belong in :Category:Chocolate.  I would maintain that chocolate and slavery is also a related topic of the subject of commercial production of chocolate for profit (the chocolate industry), but would welcome discussion on the matter.  In my view, based on Wikipedia:Category, to not have this article in either of the above categories, it would have to be successfully argued that chocolate and slavery is not a related topic of either category.  Kurieeto 15:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Confectionery 

message: I feel like a lot of POV problems could begin to be solved by a move.  "Labor exploitation" is much less of a hot-button term than "slavery", and it should be immediately be apparent that these are allegations and not universally accepted facts. - Che Nuevara: Join the Revolution 13:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  recommending move: [[Allegations of labor exploitation in the chocolate industry]] 

message: If the claims are that slavery in the traditional sense at least is only being used to produce chocolate in Africa, would not that indicate that chocolate not certified fair trade but not from Africa--single origin chocolates and Latin American companies such as El Rey and Santander which only use beans from their own country--would not involve African slavery? I'm aware that these may use other "unfair labor practices" but then, would that not be another topic, maybe exploitation in the chocolate industry? --71.192.116.43 07:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Trade 

message: "it should be immediately be apparent that these are allegations and not universally accepted facts..."  The article itself says otherwise, repeatedly, e.g.:
* " it is documented that boys aged between 12 and 16 have been sold as slaves..."
* "Most slaves are impoverished young men and boys from Benin, Togo, and Mali."
* "Children are generally found traveling or begging and lured to the Ivory Coast, where they are sold."
* "Traffickers promise them paid work, housing, and education; instead, they are forced to labour and undergo severe abuse working on the cacao farms."
* "A 1998 report from UNICEF, the United Nations Children's Fund, concluded that some Ivory Coast farmers use enslaved children, many of them from the poorer neighboring countries of Mali, Burkina Faso, Benin and Togo."
* "A report by the International Labour Organization based in Geneva, Switzerland, also found that trafficking in children is widespread in West Africa."
And it goes on and on.  Either slavery actually exists, or most of the article needs to be gutted and rewritten from scratch.  I think the former is preferable, as the connection between slavery and chocolate seems extremely well documented.  As such, I'm moving the article to remove the word "allegations" from the title, and editing the first sentence to remove the word "allegedly". -MichaelBluejay 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should go, or be retitled Child Slavery in Africa.  The "chocolate" content is incidental and in no way does this article address the Economics of Cocoa.Rsheptak (talk) 20:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations or fact? 

message: The mentioned product seems to have a Dutch website . Is this link allowed as a reference or an external link? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.109.22.148 (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tony's Chocolonely 

message: How about turning this article into something like Economics of chocolate or Economics of cocoa, rather like Economics of coffee?  It could discuss the overall chocolate economy in general terms, and include information on exploitative labour practices and fair-trade coffee. --Saforrest 04:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that its not really about the Economics of either Chocolate or Cocoa, its about exploitative labor practices, some of which occur in the cocoa growing industry in Africa only.  So, no matter what its highly mislabeled.  There's nothing in this article that is about the Economics of either Chocolate or Cocoa, on a world wide basis.  This is in fact, as one other poster noted, a diatribe against a specific problem in Africa which includes, but is not limited to, the cocoa growers.  It should be an article about child slavery, or exploitative labor practices, in Africa, or the Cote D'ivoire.  That's all it is. Rsheptak (talk) 20:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Obviously, there are "political" sensitivities with issues like child labour and slavery, but on such things the cocoa industry was built! What is this article trying to achieve? Its current title is extremely broad and warrants an extention into the monetary side of cocoa economics, not to mention back-history of the role of slavery and indentured labour in cocoa production until the early 1900s—GRM (talk) 17:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Its title suggests generic appeal, yet it turns into a biased list of abuses in relation to the trade. forestPIG(grunt) 17:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange article 

message: Unless there is serious opposition, I will be promoting the section title Children in cocoa production to the article title. forestPIG(grunt) 17:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree, but you need to go through the "right process" before making the move...—GRM (talk) 17:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's no rush anyway. It should be given a week or so. forestPIG(grunt) 17:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

message: I added link GMI because if every person on earth had it, & if all people owned all things, then no one would be "forced" to buy & sell something, or someone (humans), into slavery of any kind. Stars4change (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Guaranteed minimum income]]

message: This article says there are 200,000 and gives a BBC article as the source, while this article also by the BBC news says as many as 800,000 work, who is right? I know the exact numbers are probably hard to figure but what caused this discrepancy?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.68.241 (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many children are working in Ivory Coast?

message: hi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.108.38 (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: the fifth link in References does not work any more and therefore it is hard to trace the information is true or not. I think the education on child laborers are underrepresented. The exploitation of child laborers is greatly influenced by the low education. I want to update information about forced child labor and children education in Africa. In this wiki page, I saw a lot of words like slavery, forced. I want to update more information about how we define as "children slavery".
https://books.google.com/books/about/Education_in_Africa.html?id=qqtKAAAAYAAJ
https://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/slavery/africa.pdf
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/world-july-dec13-burkinafaso_07-10/
http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/chocolate.pdf
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message: Well, to some extent, poor farmers, slave traffickers, the governments of Ghana and Ivory Coast, but no discussion about the role of the chocolate industry. But the industry has responsibility too:
Nestlé sued again over child labor in cocoa supply chain
https://www.confectionerynews.com/Article/2018/02/13/Nestle-sued-again-over-child-labor-in-cocoa-supply-chain
Feb 14, 2018 - Nestlé sued again for allegedly 'using child and slave labor to make chocolate' ... ADM, which alleged the firms aided and abetted child slavery in West Africa.
Your Halloween Candy's Hidden Ingredient: Child Slave Labor ...
https://www.motherjones.com/food/2018/10/halloween-candy-hidden-ingredient-chocolate-child-slave-labor-nestle-mars-cargill/
Oct 31, 2018 If you’re buying last-minute Halloween candy, you might want to know about a recent ruling by the US Court of Appeals Ninth Circuit in a long-running lawsuit against Nestlé and agribusiness giant Cargill that alleges the companies aided and abetted child slavery on cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast.
Does Your Chocolate Come From Slaves? – ETHICAL UNICORN
https://ethicalunicorn.com/2018/02/24/does-your-chocolate-come-from-slaves/
Feb 24, 2018 - Many children in Western Africa live in poverty, so begin working at a young age to ... supply cocoa to the international giants such as Hershey's, Mars, and Nestlé, ... eliminating child and forced labour in cocoa farms, particularly West Africa, ...
But if responsibility is assigned to the industry, Neutral POV suggests that the article also cover the corporations' attempts at improving the situation
Cocoa | Nestlé Global - Nestle
https://www.nestle.com/csv/raw-materials/nestle-cocoa-plan
Mar 21, 2018 - The cocoa supply chain features serious challenges, from low incomes for farmers to child labour and gender inequalities. We are tackling these issues through ...
Cocoa has a poverty problem. You can help by eating more dark ...
https://newfoodeconomy.org/chocolate-farmers-ivory-coast-ghana/
Jul 7, 2018 - On this World Chocolate Day, we're sharing insights on the state of the chocolate market and ... and Nestlé expressed their collective commitment to combat child labor in cocoa growing communities in West Africa through their support of the ...
I have expanded the article to cover such issues; I hope that @David Tornheim will check it out and provide any suggestions for improvement.  Peter K Burian (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is responsible for child slavery in the cocoa fields? 

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