Talk:Wayang

message: I love the article, but it is in the wrong place.  It should be named just "wayang" as it is a good overview of all the different types of wayang.  Wayang -- meaning puppet is the term for ALL Indonesian puppets.  Wayang Kulit is just one type of wayang traditionally made from leather hides and used in shadow plays.  Kulit means skin or hide.  Each genre of Indonesian wayang deserves its own article.  --Samuel Wantman 03:03, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience, in Malay, at least in the 70s, "wayang" meant "theatre", so that "wayang gambar" ("picture theatre") meant "movies". I supposed the same thing was true in Central Java, as witness "wayang kulit" and "wayang wong", but I do not speak Javanese. "Patung" means "idol" or "doll" and I don't remember it being used for wayang kulit puppets. There are traditional Malay forms of wayang kulit, too, the most common of which used to be wayang Siam, but decades of attacks on Kelantanese wayang kulit as being non-Islamic helped to gravely diminish the artform that at least as recently as the 70s was featured in 3-day festivals of the sea ("Main Pantai") every year in pretty much every coastal village in Kelantan and Terengganu. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm moving the article 

message: The following recent edits were made anonymously & without explanation.
*"…shadows cast on a linen screen…" became "…shadows cast on a cotton screen…". The ones I've seen were certainly linen. It might have well been a linen made from cotton. Does someone have a citation on this?		
*"…which are traced out onto kulit (skin or leather)…" became "…which are traced out onto kulit (skin or parchment)…"; "…skin or leather…" is, I suppose, a pleonasm, but we should probably keep the word "leather" one way or another, with a link; also, does anyone have a citation for parchment being used in this context? I'm not saying it's not used, just not what I recall having seen. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:44, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
:My understanding is it's a question of the materials used - "cotton" is from a cotton bush; "linen" is from the flax plant which isn't AFAIK grown in Indonesia owing to the climate. Similarly, leather is tanned for flexibility and parchment isn't - it's stretched, scraped and dried for stiffness. The hide from which wayang puppets are made is definitely processed as parchment, not leather. Although try asking an Indonesian about 'parchment puppets' and you'll get a blank look. I agree we need to keep the word 'leather' somewhere just to go with common usage. And just to clarify, I wasn't the person who made those edits. Tim Byard-Jones 15:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  question on two recent edits 

message: What kind of puppets are shown in this photo? --Fir0002 03:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They certainly are - the one in his left hand is the demon Cakil, the one in his right is at an angle so hard to see properly, but certainly a 'bambang'-type halus warrior - from what I can see I'd guess Permadi (i.e. the young Arjuna). Tim Byard-Jones 21:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: Would it beneficial to list some of the characters from the traditional Wayang Kulit (such as Twalen, Murda, Bema, etc?)
 How about a list for important books and publications regarding Indonesian puppetry and dance (such as the Bali Arts and Culture Newsletter)? Freddie deBoer 05:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. - Jmabel | Talk 21:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional lists? 

message: When Islam began spreading in Indonesia, the display of God or gods in human form was prohibited, and thus this style of painting and shadow play was suppressed. King Raden Patah of Demak, Java wanted to see the wayang in its traditional form, but failed to obtain permission from the Muslim religious leaders.
I'm not sure where the author have this version but as far as I know, it was Sunan Kalijaga, one of the Wali Sanga who wanted to play wayang. They were not only change the physical wayang but also the stories (such as omitting Drupadi's poliandry, or changing the sex of Srikandhi from male to female). Sunan Kalijaga also use Wayang as tools to spreading Islam Kunderemp 06:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History  of Islam Influence in Wayang

message: This article has a paucity of easily visible refs - if all the types are incorporated into one article - then a reasonable expectation is that from the large variety of materials that are available (in print as opposed to web baseed material) there should be speccific refs/further reading for each from of wayang - otherwise this particular article is not really user friendly? SatuSuro 13:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on it! Tim Byard-Jones 16:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Refs/Further reading

message: Since I last checked this article a year ago it has lost an enormous amount of information. This seems to have occurred without any real discussion. Does anyone know what is going on? And shouldn't we restore a lot of the lost information? - Jmabel | Talk 19:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. The major cut was recent, anonymous, and uncommented. It was simply vandalism. - Jmabel | Talk 20:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cuts: why? 

message: Moving from other projects is always a problem - as there are not many cited sources in the body of the text - this article should be tagged as such - and also there should be separate articles as the overall subject is far too big when described properly to be in one article.  So rather than tag - separate sections might become separate articles to allow for further development. SatuSuro 01:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues

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message: The main article only describes wayang kulit. (Shadow puppets). Whereas I think it should clearly refer to the different kinds of wayang that are described in the further sections in the article.
The article should start with a clear reference to wayang meaning "theatre" in general and then mention the (most well known) different forms, and point out that these are described in further sections. Otto Ede Pool (talk) 06:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wayang main article 

message: I think the gamelan - wayang connection is far stronger than now suggested in both the wayang and gamelan articles. 
What the leader of the djokjakarta sultans gamelan orchestra told me many years ago: Gamelan music in indonesian tradition is very often representing well known stories and tales mostly from  ramayana and mahabarata that are performed in wajang. Different characters in these stories more or less have their own musical characteristics or themes. People still in this culture can distinguishly  follow the stories  by only listening to the (radio broadcasted) music. Otto Ede Pool (talk) 07:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wayang gamelan connection 

message: is repeatedly far too dark and lacking calirity, surely there is something clearer and better than what has been put up so far ?  JarrahTree 08:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  infor box image 

message: For some reason clicking on the Wayang Klithik page brings you to the Wayang Golek page Maestrofin (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  A problem with the link