Talk:Faroese language

message: On the Recent Changes page "faroese" is listed as a requested article...there is a Faroese language article. Is lower-case faroese something different, or is that just a typo? Adam Bishop 21:43, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a typo, by me. I made it into a redirect. -- Notheruser 23:29, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Faroese

message: In the article I read:
The letters ð and g, for example, have no phonemes attached to them.
This is definitely not correct. In the article eth I described the pronounciation of ð. Well, in most cases, it's not pronounced. Ok.
But: g is pronounced [g], [dj] (before single e, i, y and ey), [k] (before voiceless conconants), [d] (before n in the declension of past participles), as glide conconants [j], [v], [w] between vowels, and not pronounced between a, á, o, u and ø.
Pdn 03:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: read in article

message: Recently, tables for the consonants and vowels of Faroese were added (by an unregistered IP address). There was no source given and many parts of the table were very inaccurate, e.g.  is not a sound in Faroese but there is an explaination on Eth about why it is not totally useless. Also I don't believe that voicing is phonemic for all plosives except the velar ones where it is aspiration, etc. The vowel table might be better, but it uses nonstandard symbols and also misses the diphthongs which are very important in the language. Of course we should have a table about the sounds but it needs to be a better one. Stefán Ingi 13:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound table 

message: I read in the article: 
 As an example of this, consider the fact that Faroese has two words for duck: 
 dunna (from Gaelic 'tunnag') for the domestic duck, and villdunna for the wild duck.
Well, the etymology of dunna from Gaelic sounds interesting, but where have you read it? I mean, it comes from Old Norse dunna (mallard), which comes from Germanic *dusnō (also mallard). However, it can be, that both words have the same source, can't it? -- Arne List 20:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that "vill" means "wild" in Norwegian, "villdunna" just seems to refer to a "wild dunna". I think this section needs fact-checking. If there was a completely different word for "Wild duck", like öndur/andur or something, the statement would make more sense. 惑乱 分からん 19:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there are to words for duck in Faroese: ont and dunna. Both are almost synonymous, but dunna is marking more a domestic duck from villdunna, the mallard (to distinguish them) and ont is a duck in general (including all species of ducks). -- Arne List 17:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, that would make more sense. I'll rewrite it myself, soon, if someone else doesn't. Ill remark about the *dusnō etymology, though, does anyone know the etymology of ond in Norse/Germanic? I know that it's common Germanic, and quite plausibly PIE, but I don't know the exact evolution up to ont... 惑乱 分からん 00:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dunna 

message: I removed a very large section of the article that was dedicated more or less entirely to just instructing on how to use Faroese. Please note that this articles in Wikipedia are intended to inform on the languages in general, not write instructions on how to use them. I'm placing the section from the article below this post if anyone wishes to transwiki it to a Wikibook or something like it.
Peter Isotalo 11:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrase book 

message: *skriva eitt teldubræv [] - write an Email
*við telduposti [] - via Email
*Kæra Sára! [] - Dear Sára!
*Kæri Jón! [] - Dear Jón!
*Góða Marjun! [] - Dear Marion!
*Góði Petur! [] - Dear Peter!
*takk fyri teldubrævið [] - thanks for the Email
*orsaka at eg skrivi á enskum - excuse me for writing in English
*men tú kanst svara á føroyskum - but you can answer in Faroese
*vinarliga - sincerily yours
*vit hoyrast - we hear from each other
----
You mean, this small section justifies a Wikibook? It is just an overview about standard phrases, everybody interested in the language, could need and print out with the whole article, when visiting the Faroes. Why should a language article not show some pieces of living language es example? I found this small reference helpful, but thanks, that it is not totally destroyed. :-/ -- Arne List 19:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Write an Email

message: "However, Faroese didn't become the common language in the media and advertising until the 1980s."
Where did this come from? Faroese radio began in 1957, and has always broadcast in Faroese. The newspapers started writing in Faroese at about the same time. So, where did this come from? Mulder1982 04:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dimma was still writing some articles in Danish in the 80ies, didn't it? -- Arne List 13:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: From the article

message: From the article:
.The former colonial language Danish has still more importance than in Iceland.
This sentence definitely contains a mistake, but as it's not clear to me what the author meant, I'm not sure how to correct it.  Funnyhat 01:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here comes a wild guess: whoever wrote this says that Danish (the language of those who colonised the Faroes and Iceland) is, today, more important in the Faroes than it is in Iceland. we could correct this in some way like "Today, Danish is more important in the Faroes than in Iceland, although both countries were Danish colonies". Of course, someone should correct this sentence of mine, because I'm not whether the Faroes are or not colonies of Denmark, or if there is any other burocratic political thing between the two, or if the Faroes are an actual country...        Ciacchi 02:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: The article has 'hjálpa' as [ˈjɔlpa]. Shouldn't the 'l' be unvoiced? Haukur 11:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Thráinsson et al, it should. In SAMPA, [j O l_0 p a]. (Or maybe [t S O l_0 p a]?) // Jens Persson (130.242.128.85 20:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an unvoiced [l] that doesn't really sound like an l. In my opinion it's closer to X-SAMPA [K], so if someone were to ask me to transliterate 'hjálpa' into X-SAMPA I'd do it like this: ["jOK:pa]. Mulder1982 (talk) 23:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unvoiced l in 'hjálpa'? 

message: To me it seems more probable that the contrast in the plosives is between aspirated and unaspirated rather than voiced and unvoiced. A source for this is e.g. Lenition and Contrast by Naomi Gurevich, p.97, , citing personal communication with Marius Staksberg, secretary of the Faroese language committee. Stefán Ingi 20:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aspirated plosives 

message: I've been listening to Týr lately and I noticed that the singer doesn't pronunciate retroflex  as it would be expected; instead, they pronunciate a clearly trilled [r]. However, he pronounces "sterkum" as  or something like that, with a voiceless retroflex thingy, that is (or should be) due to the retroflection of the R. I know that a folk metal band is not really the best way of drawing linguistical conclusions, but I found it odd anyway. Is this normal in some part of the Faroes or are they just strange? Ciacchi 16:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In singing r is often trilled but in normal spoken language it usually isn't. And retroflex [ʂ] is certainly perfectly normal. Haukur (talk) 00:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Ciacchi, r in Faroese is pronounced in a very particular way when joined with k or t as in "sterkum", "verk", "tú ert" and "bert". In the song by Týr called "Ormurin Langi" the singer prounces the word "sterkum" correctly. When  telling non-Faroese speakers how to say one of these words, I've found that they never pronounce it correctly. They reduce the sound of rk and rt to the English sh which is incorrect. In the cases mentioned above the r is not the usual r as in "regluliga" or "greitt". And: neither of these are of the "rolling" kind common in Swedish and Spanish, except when putting extra emphasis on the word containing the r e.g. when singing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravnurin (talk • contribs) 13:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Very, very few songs are in Gøtu-Danskt—there are probably more in English even. The band provides lyrics sheets in many releases and clearly denotes which language they're using. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 18:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trilled R 

message: The vowel table has two letters listed with this name:  and <ì>. Which one is it? Makerowner 22:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fyrra i 

message: This article needs to be completely rewritten from the start. The overall personal tone is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, and vast portions of the article read as if they are some kind of instruction manual or how-to guide. For example:
:Unfortunately, the English-Faroese and Faroese-English dictionaries are sold out.
It feels as if the article was written by a non-English native speaker, which I fear it was, and unfortunately this has rubbed off on the article. I have just branched off the grammar section into its own article, which suffers from the same problems. The phonology section should also be broken off after it has been cleaned up, as it is lengthier than most of the equivalent sections of other language articles. Perhaps after all of this the article could do with some expansion. Max Naylor (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Are the unusual diphthongs rising or falling? That is, where should we put the <  ̯> diacritic, and how does that fit the length diacritic? kwami (talk) 20:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the latter part of the diphthong is usually the non-syllabic part. So (in X-SAMPA) they'd be: /Ei_^/, /ai_^/, /Oa_^/ etc. At least that's how I understand it from a native speaker's POV. Mulder1982 (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  diphthongs 

message: I'm currently reading Einar Haugen's 1982 book Scandinavian Language Structures, where he mentions the phonologies, morphologies, and syntaxes of the insular and continental Scandinavian languages, including Faroese, and if a Harvard professor is to be believed, some aspects of the phonology section are wrong.  In addition, some of the areas of the phonology section should really belong with the "Faroese alphabet" section.  Thus, I'm probably going to attempt some sort of rewrite of the Faroese phonology section (in anticipation of it getting its own article à la Icelandic phonology), and probably touch up the "Faroese grammar" article a bit.  --Daniel Blanchette (talk) 10:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible rewrite of Faroese phonology section 

message: From the page Tutorial written by Johan Petur Dam I confirm that the
series should be 30,40,50,60 rather than 30,40,5,60. :-)
50 Hálvtrýss/Fimmti holv-truysh/fimm-tee
Looks like it went in wrong  Initial version of Faroese numbers
Lent (talk) 16:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  50 not 5 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is a Welsh Wikipedia article on Faroese: Ffaröeg. However, it has only one sentence, does not cite any sources, and has three red links, including to two for category pages. I strongly suggest improving said article. Btw, Welsh = Cymraeg.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh 

message: The article states that there are 72,000 Faroe Islanders, 53,000 of which live in the Faroe islands, and 23,000 of which live elsewhere. These numbers do not add up to 76,000, not 72,000. Which numbers are correct? 172.58.44.172 (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  72,000 or 76,000 Faroe Islanders? 

message: On this passage: "As a result, the Irish language has had some influence on both Faroese and Icelandic."
This is a very contested (if not outright false) claim, although popular among amateur linguists.
For those that read Icelandic I would recommend Eiríkur Rögnvaldsons article on a recent book on the debate: https://uni.hi.is/eirikur/2022/12/09/er-saegur-geliskra-tokuorda-i-islensku/
To boil the article down: There may well have been a cultural impact of Irish and Celtic settlers in Iceland, but there is no evidence of a linguistic impact.
Is this not also true for Faroese? Would be helpful to have a Faroese linguist chime in Ástmögur Þjóðarinnar (talk) 10:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Influence on Faroese