Talk:English Shepherd

message: *English Shepherds are intentionally not show dogs dogs so the above request is odd here. Some have already submitted fine pictures of dogs in the field which is more appropriate than unnatural show dog pictures. 172.56.2.133 (talk) 08:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo request

message: Despite its name, the English Shepherd breed originates in the USA.  The ES breed was mainly developed from dogs imported to the USA out of the landrace of collie/shepherd dogs that was once common in the UK.  But the ES breed also incorporates breeds from other parts of the world, for example it's documented that Beauercon were mixed into the ES breed.  The English Shepherd was not developed into a breed in the UK.  It was developed into a breed to meet the needs of farmers on small farms in the eastern and midwestern states of the USA.  
Numerous references for the American origin of the English Shepherd breed can be found, for example:
- In an article published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences entitled "Breed distribution and history of canine mdr1-1delta, a pharmacogenetic mutation that marks the emergence of breeds from the collie lineage" by Neff, et.al., the authors state "Thus, the ancestral population that produced mdr1-1delta was probably an admixed population of working sheepdogs. The ancestors of the Australian Shepherd, English Shepherd, and McNab also trace back to this ancestral population, roughly defined. Although these latter breeds were developed in North America in the 1900s, they were most likely derived from nondescript farm collies imported from Great Britain and Australia in the 1800s and early 1900s."  PNAS August 10, 2004 Vol. 101 no. 32 11729
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0402374101v1.pdf
- Linda Rorem's authoritative "Herding on the Web" site references "English Shepherd - An American Breed"
http://www.herdingontheweb.com/dogs.htm
- the website of the largest club for the breed, the English Shepherd Club, lists the ES breed as "America's Heritage Farmdog" http://www.englishshepherd.org/
Sardog1 (talk) 07:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of Breed

message: I made some grammatical and clarity changes to the working dog section.  - Gunnanmon (talk) 06:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed Up Working Dog Section... 

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message: I rewrote the entry somewhat to be more historically accurate. I also added some links which are helpful to casual readers. I restored a deleted photo and tweaked the caption a little to be more correct. I probably know or have met many of the ESC people so I will not be offended if any of you do some changes. I just ask that they be edits and not dumb reverts by trolling rollbackers (Trollbackers) and such. We need to police against that mob. 172.56.2.133 (talk) 09:29, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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