Talk:Printmaking

message: "Woodcut thought to be the earliest printmaking technique appearing first in 19th century China."
BC or AD? AD is impossible, since woodcut was used in Europe much earlier.
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http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=printmaking
plagiarism by wiki? or is the same author responsible for the bulk of the definition on both sites? wiki is post-dated by a day, so either is possible.
:ArtSchoolGirl (the E2 user who is the original author of this work), gave explicit permission to reprint this here. matt kane's brain 16:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: That is a reasonable statement. Iron oxide that we scoop up off the surface to make the paints, and iron it's self, has been here for millions of years. It would only change into something else if there was something w,heird in the room (like an open bottle of hydrochloric acid). Suffice it to say, the paper / cloth would likely have gone mouldy / fallen to bits, before the iron oxide / gold / lead changed in a normal atmosphere.
There are, for example, cave paintings, who's colours come from metal oxides, that were done at least a few thousand years ago and still retain their colour.
This is quite a difficult thing to explain but, the primary thing that decomposes pigments (in the atmosphere) is oxygen. If something is already an oxide (e.g. iron oxide), or unable to react with oxygen directly (e.g. gold), it can't go any further than it already is. Organic dyes, on the otherhand, can be quite easily oxidised; pretty much anything that's organic gradually oxidises when exposed to the atmosphere (e.g. perfumes / oil going dark yellow, then brown, then black).
The decomposition of organic materials is accelerated, sometimes a great deal, by exposure to UV and heat. This isn't much of a problem for simple oxides. Indeed, if any of the iron oxide did happen to decompose, it'd only be returned to iron oxide by such an exposure. Removing the oxygen from iron oxide requires a great deal of effort; e.g. a blast furnace (and then it slowly returns to iron oxide, rust, when left out).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.24.190 (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron oxide - million years

message: It doesn't make sense to list Printmakers below the article, which gives examples under each heading ("etching", "silkscreen", etc.), especially since the seperate Printmakers list below only identifies Mauricio Lasansky. Also, the lists of artists under each medium's content is misleading, as most were proficient in many different media. I suggest either removing the "Printmakers" heading and lone example or moving all artists listed at the bottoms of each medium under that heading. Or even creating or editing a "List of Printmakers" entry to be referenced here, removing the lists in this more general article (I see there is a List of artists collection of lists of artists of various media, but Printmaking isn't one of them!) Any preferences? PJV
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I agree that printmakers under each section is misleading.
And I think Category:Printmaking should be created -- although, there is a Category:Printmakers, which need to be applied to each artist using the media.
--Renice 15:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing Printmakers 

message: Graphics is currently nominated to be improved by WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you want to contribute.--Fenice 20:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement drive

message: I don't think, that merging the woodcut article with thisone is a wise idea. Woodcut was used in the old Chine for printing chineese letters (occasionaly pictures). The article about printmakeking is on the other hand strictly about printing images using "modern" methods. In other words, there is no history involved and shouldn't be, because the theme contents of strictly technical issues of printing.
--Mindshot 06:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree don't merge woodcut or woodblock into printmaking.  This is an overview article, not supposed to replace articles on woodblocking. Just like other print techniques,aquatint, drypoint, etc... all have their own articles. Goldenrowley 03:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge with woodcut 

message: I feel that the Philigrafika external link is just advertising and should be removed.  Anyone else?
GreenInker 08:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising 

message: I find it disturbing that the page lists four forms of printmaking, but in the explanation section its headings include woodblock (instead of relief) and etching (instead of intaglio.) This needs to be corrected. Listing woodcut as the only form of relief printing is a mistakes which excludes all other substrates as possibilities in the article. What about linocuts? And what about creating reliefs through metal substrates, even through the use of etching techniques? And as to etching being listed instead of intaglio, what becomes of drypoint or engraving, which never utilize an etching solution in any way?? The form of the print, whether it be relief, intaglio, screen, or litho, is really dependent on where the ink is held by the substrate, not the substrate being used. You can do mock-litho with a xerox copier print-out, without the need for stones in any way. You can create an embossed image that would print as relief with etching. The point is, the printmaking article should hold all of this information in order to become a more complete explanation of what that medium truly is.
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I agree. I think this article needs to be reorganized -- a rough-draft suggestion:
:* Relief
::* Woodcut
:::* Color woodcuts
::::* Multiple blocks superimposed in alignment (registration), eg., Ukiyo-e
::::* Reduction block Prints
::::* Cut-block prints (e.g., Munch's The Heart)
::::* White-line woodcuts: applying color by hand to separated areas
::* Linocut
::* Wood engraving
::* Blind embossing
::* Cast Paper
::* Cardboard relief prints
::* Foam plate prints
:* Intaglio
::* Drypoint
::* Engraving
::* Mezzotint
::* Etching
::* Aquatint
::* Chine Collé
:* Collagraph (collage-like process creating a plate that may print as both relief and intaglio)
:* Planographic
::* Lithograph (based on antipathy of grease and water)
:::* Stone
:::* Metal
:::* Offset printing
::* Monotypes [Note: I think the intro needs to be corrected, since the production of multiples is not requisite to printmaking.] ALSO there have been innovations in offset monotype in which multiple prints can be acheived!!!!
::* Xerography
::* Digital prints
:::* Laser
:::* Ink jet / Giclée
::* Photographic {Note: These are experimental photography techniques, NOT printmaking techniques. There are photographic techniques such as photo etching and photo litho.} 
::::* Polaroid Transfers
::::* Blueprints and Brown sepiaprints
:* Stencil
::* Pochoir 
::* Serigraphy (Silkscreen)
--Renice 20:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: changes to be made

message: Yes! 
Relief print should be merged with, or redirected to, this article. While the various types of relief print (woodcut, linocut, etc.) should have their own articles.
--Renice 16:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Relief Print? 

message: May seem obvious to the artists here, but it isnt for everyone   & also from  artists' books. Line will be added. DGG 03:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: differentiate from printing

message: I am writing an article called Old master print - not the happiest term perhaps but probably the least confusing.  This will cover the Western print, especially the "artist's print" up to about 1830 from a mainly art-historical & social perspective.  I won't link it in to this article until it is more complete, but do have a look. I am hoping not to have to do too much on printmaking techniques, but since this article here would in an ideal world be called something like "Fine Art printmaking techniques in America from 1950 to the present" I will either have to do something here or in my article. I will probably also work on the line engraving article, which should be linked to much more prominently here.
Johnbod 14:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Master Prints 

message: this redirects to an article mainly about CD's etc called "special edition" - fair enough. I have added to the printmaking bit there, but somewhere i have seen an Wiki article all about LE prints - but  i've now lost it. Anyone know what its called? Not "LE print" or "art print".
Johnbod 15:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  limited edition 

message: I have reverted these changes:
cur) (last)  00:51, 13 November 2006 69.118.30.221 (Talk) (→Techniques)  
because they made the whole bottom half of the article half width. I'm not sure what they were trying to do (blank edit box, no name user), but it didn't seem to work. Were those "Artists using... " always in boxes in mid-article? - I thought they were down at the bottom once. Personally I don't think I like them there & if they are so prominent they are an odd selection of artists, and too many, I would say...
The article certainly needs work, in fact a major overhaul, but as it is an important one I think it would be better to float changes here first
Johnbod 02:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  changes 13/11 "artists using.." 

message: Looking at the nature of the beast "Print Production" and the way technology is busy improving the ways of print production as we know it from yesterday. It is important to actually understand the huge amount of variables that many systems must take into consideration when trying to automate most of the processes but saying this, I could not find any research or information on the world wide web identifying what exactly these variables are? Thu the reason for this extra part to the Print page, please add your thoughts on variables not in the list below: 1) Paper 2) Ink 3) ...
(unsigned - moved from article)
:::NB this is printmaking, not the printing page Johnbod 11:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variables In Print Production 

message: who wrote that part, the print companies?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.199.45 (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A print is not a copy?? 

message: I have no idea how to answer on this page but I'll give it a try; why did you remove my links on printmaking? Does the fact that I created the pages I link to disqualify me for citing them? It is info everyone can use, presented as a subjective take on the use of a printmaking technique. Did you read these pages before deciding to remove them?
Best
Ldprints (Ldprints (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but I removed your links because I didn't think they were particularly good quality links, but it is also NOT a good idea to add links to your own sites it is considered spamming to do so Kind regards.Theroadislong (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: There are thousands of artists who make prints - we cannot include everyone...Modernist (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding my favorite printmaker

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