Talk:Azerbaijanis/Arguments

message: READ WHOLE ARTICLE HERE
http://www.anayurdu.com/auimages/01ISouthAzerbaijan.pdf
CSIS Caucasus Project Meeting Notes 
Azerbaijani Turks of Iran: Will They Lead a Revolution Again?
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/020808.pdf
A Look at Hegemony, Racism, and Center-Periphery Relations in Contemporary Iran 
by 
ALIREZA ASGHARZADEH 
(Paper presented in a seminar on Race and Racism, University of Toronto 
http://www.southazarbaijan.com/articles/new/?number=1
Iranian Azerbaijan: A Brewing Hotspot
http://www.cornellcaspian.com/pub2/0411IRAN.pdf
Azeri poet, Bulut Qarachorlu, 
Look at my misfortune 
My thoughts: 
Forbidden 
My feelings: 
Forbidden 
To remember my past: 
Forbidden 
To dream of my future: 
Forbidden 
To mention my parents’ names: 
Forbidden 
Do you know that when I was born 
the very utterance of my first words 
was Forbidden? 
Without my own knowledge 
The language of my mother into which I was born 
was Forbidden 
Yes Forbidden…
--Johnstevens5 01:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's, Essay's and views by Azeri Turks - LET US SPEAK WE HAVE A VOICE WE DON'T WANT PERSIANS SPEAKING FOR US! 

message: It has been ages since these citations have not been verified. Verification is needed. If not delete the material. the amount of time granted has been generious. The Azaris Iranian background has been verified through various scientific and academic sources, but the Turkic claim has not. The only think that has been verified is the Turkic langauge.
Certain editors try and avoid this, but if you do not give citations those claims will be deleted!!! 72.57.230.179
: Dude there is no such thing as pure Race's and your Nation is not determined by race can't you understand that?
English today are of the English nation, speak English have English culture however, genetically they will have Germanic, Nordic, French, Roman, Celtic and Native genetic make-up, does this stop them being English? NO
Azeri Turks like any other people are not of "pure blood", this changes nothing, it wouldn't change if they were from the Moon, just accept it man were Turks.   We have Turkic genetic makeup, Persian, Arab, Caucasian jeez who knows theres some of us with African mixture, if an African came a few generations ago and today mixed and became accepted as a Turk (we are very accepting) would you say, sorry YOUR NOT ALLOWED your not of the right "GENES"
Sorry but that's not only disgusting but unbelievably racist and sick.
p.s Persians arnt pure either, you have Arab blood, Turkic blood etc etc not exactly "pure Aryans" are ya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.201.80 (talk • contribs) 
::Ya no one claimed to be anything pure, but the fact s Azaris are Iranians. I have looked at all these sources and the whole ta;l page. This is the first time I am saying something about the issue. I think that the Turkic claims look very weak and really have no verification outside of language. The Iranian issue is very strong and has backup. The other editors just play a spinster game switching the subject. That is my 2 cents. 72.138.203.234
:We'll I am glad that you agree that Azaris are Turkic speaking ethnic Iranians. That is the whole point. It is also nice to see you acknowlegde the genetic evidence unlike some editors who pretend not to see it or know anything about. 72.57.230.179
: What a load of chauvanistic racism, there are people with Caucasion genetics, Semitic genetics, Afro-Black genetics, Turkic genetics, Persian genetics among Azeri Turk.
Again, race does not equal nation, you can be of any race but be a Turk or any other nation, today Azeri Turks are Turks they speak Turkish and they have a Turkish idenity.
This ignorant attitude dreamt up by the Shah 50 years ago that somehow Azeri Turks are TORKE-KHAR and that their total fools who are Persian in denial trying to be Turks is exactly the reason why their is a cultural re-awakening in South Azerbaycan and backlash against these Persian attitude.
Accept people for what they are not what you'd like them to be, if you really like Turks then support them and stop these silly stories which will get you knowhere.
--Johnstevens5 00:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: When are we Going to See Proof that Azaris are Genetically Turkic

message: READ WHOLE ARTICLE HERE
http://www.anayurdu.com/auimages/01ISouthAzerbaijan.pdf
CSIS Caucasus Project Meeting Notes
Azerbaijani Turks of Iran: Will They Lead a Revolution Again?
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/020808.pdf
A Look at Hegemony, Racism, and Center-Periphery Relations in Contemporary Iran
by
ALIREZA ASGHARZADEH
(Paper presented in a seminar on Race and Racism, University of Toronto
http://www.southazarbaijan.com/articles/new/?number=1
Iranian Azerbaijan: A Brewing Hotspot
http://www.cornellcaspian.com/pub2/0411IRAN.pdf
Azeri poet, Bulut Qarachorlu,
Look at my misfortune
My thoughts:
Forbidden
My feelings:
Forbidden
To remember my past:
Forbidden
To dream of my future:
Forbidden
To mention my parents’ names:
Forbidden
Do you know that when I was born
the very utterance of my first words
was Forbidden?
Without my own knowledge
The language of my mother into which I was born
was Forbidden Yes Forbidden…
--Johnstevens5 01:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's, Essay's and views by Azeri Turks - LET US SPEAK WE HAVE A VOICE WE DON'T WANT PERSIANS SPEAKING FOR US! 

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Sorry buts thats not a few hundred not even a few hundred people, there are close to a million there.
This isn't in Azerbaycan, this isn't in Turkey, this is in Iran by the TORKE of Iran ;_) Accept it.
Have you ever been to Iran? Azeri Turks arnt even called Azeri Turks their just called "Torke" ie Turk, that's a fact if you knew Iran you would know that I don't know why your trying to lie like this, its an accepted fact in Iran that they're Turks, try telling them their not ;_)
I mean common, just be honest, look at the pictures theres close to a million there there are marching as Turks thats the reality, look at their hands what's going on there? is it all a big conspiracy, I don't understand why you blaim Azerbaijan or Turkey for this they didn't fund or support it. 
The reality is, Turks of Iran want their language, identity and rights recognised, as long as you carry on with this self-destructive racist chauvanism and pretending that everything's just fantastic and rosy these problems will escalate and escalate.
Accept people for what they are not what you'd like them to be!
Turks in Iran are not a minority, they are the largest group, Azeri-Qasqai-Turkmen can understand each other, there population is roughly 30 million, Azeri Turks alone constitutre 23-24 million which is more than the Persian population according to ethnologue.com.
They deserve recognition and equality.
--Johnstevens5 00:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azeri Turk protests in Iran against anti-Turk racism 

message: Alot of information for the article can be found here, written by actualy Azeri Turks, not people telling Azeri Turks who and what they are like what is happening here.
READ WHOLE ARTICLE HERE
http://www.anayurdu.com/auimages/01ISouthAzerbaijan.pdf
CSIS Caucasus Project Meeting Notes
Azerbaijani Turks of Iran: Will They Lead a Revolution Again?
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/020808.pdf
A Look at Hegemony, Racism, and Center-Periphery Relations in Contemporary Iran
by
ALIREZA ASGHARZADEH
(Paper presented in a seminar on Race and Racism, University of Toronto
http://www.southazarbaijan.com/articles/new/?number=1
Iranian Azerbaijan: A Brewing Hotspot
http://www.cornellcaspian.com/pub2/0411IRAN.pdf
Azeri poet, Bulut Qarachorlu,
Look at my misfortune
My thoughts:
Forbidden
My feelings:
Forbidden
To remember my past:
Forbidden
To dream of my future:
Forbidden
To mention my parents’ names:
Forbidden
Do you know that when I was born
the very utterance of my first words
was Forbidden?
Without my own knowledge
The language of my mother into which I was born
was Forbidden Yes Forbidden…
--Johnstevens5 01:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's, Essay's and views by Azeri Turks - LET US SPEAK WE HAVE A VOICE WE DON'T WANT PERSIANS SPEAKING FOR US! 

message: Azerbaijan 
1998 
One thousand three hundredth anniversary of the epic Azerbaijani legend Kitab-i Dede Qorqud
UNESCO DOCUMENT http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0011/001194/119498e.pdf
This is from pre-Islamic Turkic era and many references are made to Azeri Turks its also part of the heritage of the people.
Also Koroglu, Oguznama, Nasreddin Hoca etc are all part of the Turk identity of the people.
--Johnstevens5 01:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kitabi-Dede-Qorqud 1300 year old - Unesco award

message: Look My pan-turkis  friend.    Unlike Turkey where Kurds do protest in millions, the number of Azeri protestors were insignificant.  Your 30 million figure is bloated, but that is another issue.  Now as per your big lie.  Every country can make up a lie and UNESCO will sponser it.  It doesn't make it historicaly legitimate though.  There is only two manuscripts of dede Korkut work (compare it to say Shahnameh with 1000+ manuscripts).  Dede-Qorqod contains about 150 Persian words and 300 Arabic words.  It talks about Iranians (tats) with beards (Oghuz Turks at that time were mainly mongloid like Turkomens) doing Azzan while Iranians were not Islamified yet 1300 years ago.  It talks about the land of Rum, while at that time it was not even at the hands of Muslims!   Dede Korkut (the culture of Oghuz Turks) is totally from the Oghuz culture.  .  Indeed to show that is not as old as  ultra-nationalist pan-turks claim, the word "istanbul" is found in this book.  And I quote: The merchants set out on their long journey and traveled steadily for many days and nights. They came at last to the city of
Istanbul.  
The name Istanbul was chosen fairly recently (in 1453) for the former constantinope and assuming Dede Qoqod was written in 1453, then there is no way a manuscript exists that is 400 years older.   As per the second part of the above sentence and Oguz-Nama, I haven't seen anything reliable from pan-turkists about Oguz Nama.  But there is a work by a certain Rashid al-Din Tabib of the Ilkhanid era in PERSIAN commonly also known as Oguz-Nama..  Author:  Rashīd al-Dīn Tabīb, 1247?-1318  and the book is written in the Ilkhanid era and has been translated to Turkmen and other languages.  None of the major references claim anything about Turkish presence in Iranian Azarbaijan or Anatolia before Islam and the couple of Khazar and Hun incursions in the caucus does not translate to wide settlements.  --Ali doostzadeh 04:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dede qorqod once again