Talk:Book design

message: Hello, I think this page could benefit from more citations.  I also think there should be a section on the history of book design.Tribu0727 (talk) 13:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: More citations/History section

message: Hi, the tables have no structural ordering. It's a very important information for people to know in which order the contents of the frontmatter and backmatter are ordered. There are norms for that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.169.12.85 (talk) 07:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Odering the Tables?

message: Here is a quote--from THIS very Article, giving the essence, or  quiddity, of Book design: 
   The basic unit in book design is the page spread. The left page (called verso)
   and right page (called recto) are of the same size and aspect ratio,
   and are centered on the gutter where they are bound together at the spine.
The page spread means NOTHING in regard to Book elements. If forced to do so there, I would call it there merely an open book. Also, this article commits itself to this "basic unit" by using as the ONLY illustration an image of a page spread.Ludvikus 05:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that was a too-narrow view of book design.  It can be changed to say "a basic unit...". Dicklyon 16:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Basic Unit in Book Design

message: It might be useful to review the originalintent:
Book design refers to the art of incorporating the content, style, format, design, and sequence of the various components of a book into a coherent whole.
Components include:
* Overall layout, type choices
* Front and back covers
* Title page
* Edition notice
* Table of contents
* List of figures
* Preface
* Body chapters
* Appendixes
* Glossary
* Index
Category:Book design
Category:Typography
Category:Printing

Yours truly, Ludvikus 05:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure enough, just about like the elements article, perhaps not so fine grained.  Dicklyon 16:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Conception of "Book Design"

message: Book design is a subject of the Library of Congress - and it means as it appears to do - the craft of desining books. So I think you should REVERT to User:Dicklyon's last version. I think as it was, was far better than it is now.
:I want to stick to diversifying the two articles.
:But I do not have the time now - I'm in a major dispute over Philosophy.
:So please revert to User:Dicklyon's last version - and work on Book structure.
::Yours truly, --Ludvikus 02:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject - Library of Congress 

message: Discussion closed: consensus to merge. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 07:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Book parts]] 

message: Editor Quiddities has informed me - unfortunately - after the fact, regarding capitalization rule on Wiki. I thank him, and look forward to cleanup & follow accordingly in the future. --Ludvikus 15:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "SHOUTING" 

message: The part that says "In books of Great Britain, the text runs from the bottom up" seems to be rubbish - certainly in my experience, as a Brit!
Gwynevans 18:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I clarified that it's talking about vertical spine text, in Europe, and it's a changing convention; see the Petroski ref that I added. Dicklyon 19:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I don't know about Europe, whereas I do know about books in the UK over the last 30+ years! :-) Gwynevans 16:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the brits were under more pressure to change, since their books looked wrong among the increasing preponderance of English-language books published in the US.  Germans and French had no such issue.  I checked my shelfs and only spotted one English book with text running bottom to top, and it was from London in 1953; and one English-language book from Zürich 2006, too.  If I could find my Petroski I'd see what he says abokut when Britain changed. Dicklyon 18:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stating spine texts to run bottom up is a European thing is simplifying. It is not just US vs Europe. I know from experience that all Dutch and English books are top down and that French and German are bottom up. That is the books I know which are published in Germany are bottom up, even if they are written in English. I would be interesting to have a more elaborate section on the direction of texts on spines.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.92.107.209 (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errata 

message: Back matter redirects to this article, but currently there is no information about this topic. --Abdull (talk) 14:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is.  It includes all the stuff listed under the "Back matter" heading in the sidebar.  It's just a collective term for the stuff listed there.  -- TimNelson (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back matter 

message: I feel that the Half title page could be merged into front matter, as there's no need to have a separate article of less than one line long on a topic which could be inserted into the section on Front Matter. It's currently marked Dead End and Citation right now; adding it here would make more sense to me.
Also, could someone upload an image of a half-title for it? I feel that would give a useful visual. --T3thys::ben (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Half Title"? 

message: Can someone please add info about a "quotations page?" I know it is front matter, but is there a more standardized name than "quotations page?"  In the book I have in front of me, it is a non-numbered page between the table of contents and the list of figures.  Perhaps we can also say how to cite such a page. Thanks!
Tntdj (talk) 23:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations Page 

message: I remember those... good times...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.11.196.206 (talk) 00:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: books

message: Hi - I think the 'other elements' section - or somewhere- should mention common children's book elements - fold-out pages, die-cut pages (eg the worm-holes in The Very Hungry Caterpillar, I know an old lady who swallowed a fly), touchy-feely books (Usborne are a prominent publisher that comes to mind), pop-up books, puppet books, there are even books by usborne featuring several stories each accompanied by a little track designed for a wind-up vehicle that comes with the book in a die-cut pocket with plastic-formed cover. There are also good examples of pop-ups and fold-out pages within art and comic/graphic novel genres as well as technical drawings in engineering and science. My Dad was a book collector and graphic artist, y mum is an independent bookseller and I am a mum of young children and once a child - I can see all these book elements in examples in my head if not have the muster/time/energy to list them right now, sorry. I really hope you can. I am working (or wanting to work) on the Very Hungry Caterpillar and related articles at the moment. Help is good.22:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other elements - childrens books, technical and art pop-ups 

message: Need to differentiate!Kathybramley (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Book Design and Graphic Design of books

message: This page seems to have problems to me. There are lots of articles on similar subjects that work better, maybe this article should be melted into appropriate sections of those. An alternative could be to move the bulk of the article, with improved citations, to new articles: Book design (classical craft tradition) and Book design (modern). The introduction is very strange, but perhaps gives a flavour of the original concept of the article. It seems not to be about book design as practiced in the publishing world overall but a very specialist 'arcane' esoteric version of it; a kind of craft tradition that would like to lay claim to modern publishing and remake all books in one mould. Or was that just the whimsy of a later editor?? 
*The introduction, aka the lead section, needs work. It should summarize the article as a whole and act as an encouragement to read more rather than be a soapbox.
*This article needs plenty more citations from respectable, well known institutions and notable people - with their notability demonstrated on this page and/or in the article. 
*The order and structure of the article perhaps should be played around with. Picking up a book you'd start with the elements in the sections at the bottom of this article. 
*Can someone look up and post here relevant style guidelines in wikipedia?
*The layout of Van de Graaf's page design is not adequately explained and put in context.
*Presumably Van de Graaff's is only one proposal of ideal design in page layouts amongst many. Where is the evidence of his pre-eminence? 
*I suppose earlier in the century Van de Graaff's proportions were a more familiar layout of text books and literature? The margins do look very large - aesthetically pleasing as all that white space is, I cannot remember many modern books laid out like that, only beautifully old ones. Or deliberately retro-vintage-look ones. 
*The link to page layout seems like a good faith addition, but the page does not relate to this section well.
I have already left comments about differentiating the topic here from Graphic design of books if appropriate; my thoughts on this have developed now. Whilst this article needs enough street-smart to explain the tradition or system of book design that the quote at the top of the article and the van de graaf diagram is about in comparison to modern publishing and general aesthetic theory, as if for popular and beginners-interest-in-publishing perspectives, this is already happening (especially if I read more carefully). And I need to cross reference the history really before shooting my mouth off! But I think my bullet points above are still valid constructive criticisms - I hope I'm making them with best intentions. 
The article does contain lots of the interesting technical details I would be interested in. Somehow it doesn't shine through enough to get my geek genes warm; it also seems to be written unnecessarily dryly and with a lack of wikification. Kathybramley (talk) 09:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion, re-design, move or merge?  

message: Can somebody add a category Epigraph to the Front Matter?  This is defined as: a quotation at the beginning of a piece of literature. A recent example could be from 'Flaubert's Parrot' where there is a quotation from Flaubert himself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.119.52 (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a row to the table, for Epigraph (literature). Tweak as needed. Thanks for the suggestion. –Quiddity (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epigraph 

message: "A dedication page is a page in a book that precedes the text, in which the author names the person or people for whom he/she has written the book." So, every book should be dedicated to its readers? More often the dedication page is used to thank a person, or people, who have helped the author in some way, i.e., a long-suffering spouse. Or a parent, for encouraging them, or an especially helpful editor. Actually, it could be almost anyone whom the author wishes to recognize, for whatever reason. But not, "the person or people for whom he/she has written the book." James Galloway (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT Johnbod (talk) 10:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dedication page 

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message: Dear Wikipedians,
Just want to sought an advice, found an image as shown: 
There is a drawing (feather-like) of something at the end of the paragraphs shown here, may I know what is the proper terms for this images is supposedly to be called ?
Curiously asked by Encik Tekateki (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this drawing called at the end of the chapters ? 

message: There are many aspects that can be added here like the illustration table and charts in some books. Books are complex and they can have a lot of add-ins that help with the book and design. THere should be some reference at least starting like this "there are some books that have different design elements such as ..." --Rashba (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other feilds 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Graphic Design History