Talk:Lynn Conway

message: I'm going to start this on the talk page, because we are going to end up here anyway.
I would like to add "Robert" to the article, preferably by changing "Conway grew up in White Plains, New York." to Conway (born Robert) grew up in White Plains, New York". The references definitely exist, including *primary* sources at http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/Retrospective1.html and secondary at https://womenyoushouldknow.net/lynn-conway-microchip-design/ and http://lorentium.com/synetec/lynn-conway/ .
I'm familiar with WP:DEADNAME and given that in my opinion she was not notable prior to arriving at Xerox PARC, her name given at birth should *not* be in the Lead (This is a Laverne Cox situation in that degree rather than a Caitlyn Jenner or Chelsea Manning. 
I have no intention of making this edit until after at least some level of discussion here (or a week without response, which I seriously doubt will occur)Naraht (talk) 02:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really needed, though. And I don't see Cox's birth name in her Wikipedia article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no good reference available for Cox's birth name as far as I can tell.Naraht (talk) 05:04, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

text: The one source that purports to give the birth name is not credible, in my opinion.  I know that Lynn has done her best to eradicate the old name, and if it was Robert, I still doubt that it was Conway.  In any case, I think she would prefer to protect the privacy of her relatives. Dicklyon (talk) 03:52, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Changes were made at MOS:DEADNAME and it now clearly states not to include the deadname anywhere in the article if the subject was not notable under that name. Rab V (talk) 04:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Discussions of the policy itself are better suited to policy pages like Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Gender identity, rather than specific articles. You're certainly welcome to propose changes there, although I would strongly recommend not referring to other Wikipedia editors as "you terrorists" if you decide to continue discussing this. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including Male name given at birth. 

message: Breast implants are gender affirming surgery, right?* While I'd guess the term "affirmation" is preferred by the trans community for the removal of biologically normal male genitalia, I think the term is 1. judgemental + value-laden and 2. misleading and non-specific. I also don't believe any type of medical procedure should be characterized as "affirming" since if I were to have that surgery (being a biological male), it sure as heck wouldn't be affirming. That is, the "affirmation" depends on the context and therefore it is that context that determines whether or not the physical facts are "affirming" or mutilations or even crippling. (*I note that breast implants are also a common procedure on male (identifying) patients - not sure if they want to appear more muscular or if the more common objective is to have female-typical boobs, Id guess the former...).98.21.247.38 (talk) 16:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason the term being used in the article was "genital affirmation surgery", which is an unusual term. I have adjusted it to the much more standard "gender affirmation surgery". Regardless of your opinions on the subject, it is a commonly used term and is appropriate to use here. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender affirmation surgery? 

message: Is there a reason why the infobox spouse slot mentions   and not the first marriage "married to a woman and had two children"?
If privacy is an issue, at least a mention of a previous marriage?
By including the Rogers marriage and not the first, it gives the false impression that the first did not exist.
Are there any other marriages that should not be included?
If there is a reason, an HTML comment should state it in the spouse slot.
--Error (talk) 10:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reliable source that provides the name of her first spouse? It may be because it's difficult to represent a spouse whose name is not known in the infobox field. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  First marriage 

message: At the time of writing this section seems exceptionally poorly written. There are massive randomly selected quotes mixed in with one single actual piece of recognition all in a hard to parse jumble. I'm planning on trimming most of the section, or possibly just deleting it and moving the magazine mention to another section. Before I do that I'd like to hear if any editors think it should be taken in a different direction. XeCyranium (talk) 03:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The legacy section