Talk:Baroque pop

message: I'm just not sure that some of the bands listed in the "Modern Baroque Pop" list are actually baroque pop, or if their just strongly influenced by baroque pop.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.62.240.2 (talk) 02:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baroque Pop or influenced by Baroque Pop 

message: start with the similarities between the music and the music in the baroque era?  Mainly the harpsichord.. (also  hurdy gurdy, bass viol, lute, violin, and baroque guitar.)
how do the bands in this INCREDIBLY long list fit in?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verstandlich (talk • contribs) 00:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Didn't the name baroque pop...

message: I think this is better capitilisation. Think about it and do it. --AresAndEnyo 04:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Screw it I'll do it. --AresAndEnyo 04:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, it's not a proper noun--see all other genres on wp--indie pop, post-rock, geek rock, lo-fi -- definitely do not rename. Moonty 05:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fine Noted but it still seems wierd to me everywhere else has a capital p in pop. --AresAndEnyo 08:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Baroque Pop 

message: I really like Iron and Wine AND I really like baroque pop, but I can't see that Iron and Wine fulfils any qualities of the latter, i.e the songs and instrumentation are conventional folk/blues. I've removed him. 
Added Harry Nilsson to the 'old guys' list. Markw1504 20:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is Paolo Nutini on the list? I think he's alright but I don't see how his style could conceivably be considered Baroque Pop, even given how wide the scope of the genre is.80.195.246.3 (talk) 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: A Google search confirms that Nutini has virtually no media references to baroque pop. Hence, removed. Markw1504 (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I suggest contributors could Google the artist name and "baroque pop" and look for several reputable media references. Markw1504 (talk) 02:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Could not agree more.  My god does this list get me angry.  These bands share like nothing meaningful in common. ILikeThings (talk) 06:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the names on the list I either agree with (Tindersticks, Decemberists, Divine Comedy) or don't know enough about, but Coldplay? Really? Studio overproduction shouldn't equate to baroque/chamber/whatever pop, I don't think.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.165.29 (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I added a hidden note requesting inline citations for any additions to the list. Those who watch this page will know edits largely consist of this list being addded to and then deleted by regular editors. This might help and certainly helps justify any deletions. We will have to purge the list of those without citations at some point, so if you have evidence from a reliable source for those without them please add them.--Sabrebd (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: The list is now purged. If you wish to add an artist please give a citation--Sabrebd (talk) 07:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Having edited the list down to only those with a reliable reference, it has grown again, largely because Real.com think every current band is baroque pop, and frankly I am not convinced this is a reliable source. I suggest that we incorporate some of the key artists into the text and delete the list, replacing it with a link to the category for Baroque pop artists.--Sabrebd (talk) 21:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I received no response so I restored it to just key artists.--Sabrebd (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baroque pop artist list 

message: "Baroque pop is a style originated in the mid 1960s as the flipside of sunshine pop. It used similar orchestrations but was infused with a melodramatic edge."
what does being a "flipside" mean? also, it doesn't make it clear whether the second sentence describes baroque or sunshine pop.Clockwrist (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning paragraph

message: there is a lot more information to be had regarding a subject such as this . . . i'm sorry, i feel bad doing it, but it had to be done . . . it is seen as a vague subject as it is, i think this regard is brought about by too many writers of the subject not having a clear view of what it really is, or who's really making it . . . if you have any questions please contact me, i also encourage discussion with anyone . . . i know i can do this page justice, and i will . . . all great cities have been built upon existing cities, i thank you for laying the foundation . . . Rwohlfeil (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  i deleted most of your baroque page . . .  

message: I ask the community to please take a moment and compare my version of the article with the current one . . . I was only about 1/3 of the way with my article when it was reverted back to it's original . . . Anyone who knows anything of the subject, please come to my defense and let me finish and give justice to this article . . . thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwohlfeil (talk • contribs) 15:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please look at the revisions page and compare my edit! 

message: This article refers to 'baroque rock n' roll' at the start, in musicology I find most references to 'baroque rock'. The article also  mentions relatively few of the British acts usually identified as fundamental to that kind of rock, but this may be because they are 'rock' not 'pop' (see, for example, the Guardian article in the notes). It seems to me this should be covered somewhere in detail, but I would be interested in reading opinions about the best solution: a separate 'baroque rock' article with references to this one; an 'English baroque rock' page (the term is used) that points to this for cross influences (and vice versa); a redirect from 'baroque rock' to here and then the addition of some subsections to deal with those bands. Opinions welcome.--Sabrebd (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop or Rock

message: While there is a string quartet on the Beatles song "Yesterday", the Harpsichord metioned as being in the song "In My Life" is actually a baroque piano piece which George Martin played on the piano and then played it back and rerecorded at double speed to get the sound he wanted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharmaartist (talk • contribs) 18:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A minor instrumentation error 

message: Shouldn't Coldplay also be listed as a baroque pop recent artist? Many of their songs include string sections, and one has a viola solo as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.45.173 (talk) 16:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They certainly deserve a mention if a reliable source can be found that points to this.--SabreBD (talk) 06:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coldplay 

message: The article says that in western European music history Baroque music was hittin' between 1600 and 1760.  I have generally heard the dates to be between 1600 and 1750, because Bach died in 1750.  The date should be changed.  ? ? ? 
"Baroque music describes a style of European classical music approximately extending from 1600 to 1750."[1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_music 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremybass49 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source actually said 1750, so I just changed it to that. Thanks for raising it.--SabreBD (talk) 10:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: I worked in all levels of the music industry during the 70s and 80s, most especially in used record stores where I had to price every record ever pressed.  Later I started a retailing business where I dealt with record wholesalers.
Prior to 1990 (I use that year because during the 90s I was more "out of the loop"), NO ONE used the term "baroque pop" EVER, PERIOD.
The problem with Wikipedia allowing any "fact" if you have ONE reference, is that you can find someone somewhere saying just about anything.
Prior to 1990, the number of genre and sub-genre names in use was less than 1% of the number used now.
The only term in use that was even close to "baroque pop" was "Progressive Rock".  A few reviewers might have used the phrase "symphonic rock" but that was never a genre term.
And that is a major point - A journalist's phrase does not indicate a genre or sub-genre existed with that name.
And The Rolling Stones were never classified as any of this (smh). 
(I expect that when you are old, you will be looking at the Wikipedia entries for 2015 and shaking your head at how far it has drifted from reality.) 162.205.217.211 (talk) 22:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Newsweek, 1982: "It's been five years since Costello first burst into view. Since then, he's composed and recorded nearly 100 songs in a protean range of styles: bare-knuckled rock, baroque pop ..."--Ilovetopaint (talk) 11:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Using a price gun<>encyclopedic knowledge of music, particularly analytical/critical terms created or popularized through academics. "Well, I never heard of it" is zero basis for an article's deletion. The term has enough support for an article's existence. Many such terms (not just in music but in film, literature, and other fields of human endeavor) are applied much later, so of course you may not have heard it at the time you worked in the record store. Just as no one in 1945 ever looked in the paper and said "Let's go see that new 'film noir' down at the Rialto."PacificBoy 04:11, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is full of music articles like this using terms coined by obscure American pop culture academics and popularised by American magazines like Rolling Stone. It's particularly irritating with British acts of the 60s and 70s who never used the terms themselves (and still don't). --Ef80 (talk) 22:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is entirely fictional 

message: The baroque rock reference is in the bit of reference 1 that says "by early 1966 the term "baroque rock" had gained wide currency..." which goes on to describe the instrumentation and that it is a companion term to "folk rock" and "raga rock". The reference to Chamber pop in the Allmusic article states that it "draws heavily from the lush, orchestrated work of performers including Brian Wilson, Burt Bacharach, and Lee Hazlewood, Chamber Pop arose largely as a reaction to the lo-fi aesthetic dominant throughout much of the 1990s alternative music community." 
So what is the problem with this?--SabreBD (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." The work of Wilson and Bacharach does not equate to baroque pop. You can just as easily interpret that sentence to be about orchestral pop or progressive pop. This is the problem that results. If baroque rock is the same thing as baroque pop, it needs to be verified, not guessed.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 23:56, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then, if we are not going to deploy any common sense, lets follow the logic and recreate the articles for baroque rock and chamber pop, since there is clear evidence from reliable sources that they exist and remove that information from here.--SabreBD (talk) 19:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The AllMusic page for baroque pop states: "its spirit lives on in everything from the Philly soul sound of the early '70s to the like-minded chamber pop sound of the mid-'90s." If you can infer "baroque pop is interchangeable with chamber pop" from this single statement, then there's nothing stopping anyone from deriving "baroque pop is interchangeable with Philadelphia soul". And that's ridiculous. If baroque rock is the same thing as baroque pop, simply prove it.  Most music genre pages on this site are already embarrassing enough with how often OR edits slip by and are subsequently treated as universal fact on forums and such. Only now have I ever thought, "Wait, are they really the same?" And sure enough, the linked source says nothing of the sort, and nobody would have ever said it prior to the mid-2000s or so..--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Not in citation tags

message: I'm kinda surprised as the level of tagging you've applied in this article, at Pet Sounds#Recording and production also. I've raised this issue in a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Clarification on tagging articles re verifiability issues, hoping or thinking there might be a relevant guideline. Please feel free to join the discussion – and everyone else should too, of course. I'll also post something at Talk:Pet Sounds. JG66 (talk) 15:12, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of tagging in the article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'd like to add "Eloise" and "I Can't Let Maggie Go" to the Baroque pop list as they are both absolutely classic examples of the genre, but I can't find an option that allows me to do this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seso101 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice that the article provides sources for the moniker when applied to songs. Which sources call the 2 songs you mentioned "baroque pop"? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding songs 

message: I don't know enough to say what songs should be mentioned, but I am surprised to see no mention of The Beatles's "For No One" in light of its use both of the French horn and polyphonic harmony. Opinions? Joe Avins (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  For No One 

message: It is interesting, when you search "Baroque pop" (w/out"") at OMO there is no result of the combination whatsoever. "Baroque rock" gets you a single entry of the combination: Tim "Buckley’s insatiable musical exploration, as he progressed through baroque folk-rock and avant-garde jazz styles." Other than that, there is a definitive reference of Baroque music to hard rock (guitar solos) and heavy metal (structure). Just saying. MenkinAlRire 10:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oxford Music Online