Talk:Philip of Sweden

message: Show us any respectable source which uses "Philip Halsten". This monster creature for a name seems to be a product of Wikipedia. Hope no more inexpertised people perpetuate this. Marrtel 12:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, it should be Filip Halstensson and his brother Inge Halstensson as his father is Halsten Stenkilsson. And, of course, his uncle should be Inge Stenkilsson. Apart from the WP:OR in the MoS, what justifies using a name unknown in WP:RS ? The MoS is normative but No Original Research and Reliable Sources are prescriptive. In any case, the use of patronyms reduces confusion in the case of Early and High Medieval Scandinavia, and others, where primogeniture is not common. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am no friend of patronymics in aticle names, except in Russian context. I regard a patronymic similar to a nickname, and to be used only in limited circumstances. Well, he is king "Philip of Sweden", thus no dspute should arise whether that is correct or not. Marrtel 13:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Patronymics and epithets are perfectly good ways of disambiguating people, widely used by historians. They are especially common for Medieval Scandinavia, far more so than the arbitrary and inaccurate regnal numbers concocted in the distant past. I can find two or three reliable sources which call the subject Filip Halstensson, The Cambridge History of Scandinavia for example. Apart from the MoS, what backing is there for the article name you have chosen ? Angus McLellan  (Talk) 13:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name issues in 2006 

message: * :Philip of Sweden → 
* :Adolf Frederick of Sweden → 
– Per consistency with other Swedish kings who were without a regnal number, such as Birger, King of Sweden, Valdemar, King of Sweden, and Albert, King of Sweden. 2601:249:9301:D570:940A:52B5:CCA9:A4A3 (talk) 04:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. For consistency I would do the opposite, i.e. renaming Birger to "Birger of Sweden" etc. Marbe166 (talk) 06:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Support alternative move for Adolf Frederick. Move Adolf Frederick of Sweden → Adolf Frederick per WP:CONCISE and the updated WP:NCROY ("Only use a territorial designation when disambiguation is needed.") Searches in Google and Google Books confirm that the Swedish king is the primary topic for this name. Consistency is the least important of the article name criteria, and it depends on which group of names the monarch is compared to. Another natural comparison could be to other 18th century Swedish monarchs. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Support alternative move for Philip. Move Philip of Sweden → Filip of Sweden per WP:UE. Searching post-1970 English literature for filip+inge+halsten returns better quality results than philip+inge+halsten. Neither of the searches brings up very many results. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Filip Halstensson (GBooks search) would also work as a naturally disambiguated name. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 09:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relisting for consensus on moving to Filip of Sweden and Adolf Frederick. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Courtesy ping to @Jähmefyysikko, @Marbe166, and @2601:249:9301:D570:940A:52B5:CCA9:A4A3. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Sweden, WikiProject Norse history and culture, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, and WikiProject Middle Ages have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Support proposed alternatives Adolf Frederick and Filip Halstensson. Recent English-language sources tend to use the Swedish names, so the consistency issue mentioned by the OP probably ought to be solved by moving them to Birger Magnusson, Valdemar Birgersson and so on. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 May 2024