Talk:Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award

message: how many black quarterbacks have play in the superbowl?
# Doug Williams, Washington Redskins, Super Bowl XXII, 1988
# Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans, Super Bowl XXXIV, 2000 
# Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl XXXIX, 2005
:Of course, there were other black quarterbacks who were backups. Zzyzx11 21:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope this answer isn't too late, but several players have played for both teams. In terms of Super Bowls, then you're thinking about either Ken Norton (who won three straight Super Bowls between both teams) or Patrick Haley (a Super Bowl record five wins between the two teams.) Bwburke94 14:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While this answer is essentially correct, the players in question are Ken Norton Jr., and Charles Haley.  Another player that should be considered in this discussion is Deion Sanders. 172.191.192.62 (talk) 01:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: This article needs to explain how the MVP is chosen.  By the refs?  By journalists?
Mikedelsol 06:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Explain how the MVP is decided

message: Since this game has not yet taken place, it might be appropriate to remove Ladainian Tomlinson as the game MVP. I can't figure out how someone managed to get his name and team listed because when I try editing the table itself, the edit page does not list him. But his name is quite clearly visible on the article page. Could someone fix this?
Greg jinkerson 20:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it. Someone must have taken care of it. —Wrathchild (talk) 14:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Superbowl XLII MVP

message: Is "MVP Winner" the most appropriate term? There is a winner of the game, but the MVP is the recipient of an award. I think "recipient" is a more appropriate term. —Wrathchild (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Super Bowl website says - "The MVP award winner is presented with the Pete Rozelle Trophy", so that's probably the appropriate term. Cogswobble 20:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Winner"?

message: I've been searching and I can't seem to find a picture of the actual Pete Rozelle Trophy that is given out... any ideas? PaulC/T+ 00:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo of the trophy?

message: I just removed the parentheticals, colleges and HOF fields.  This was for many reasons.
As for the colleges and HOF info - this is superflous information that is not a central focus of the award.  If anything, the award might be better known for the fact that many winners have had somewhat "uneventful" pro careers (Larry Brown and Jackson for example).  The college information is irrelevant and considering the fact that there is some discussion of the college aspect, duplicating the information in the table just adds to the "size" of the article.
The parentheticals were removed because the summary is provided below.  Aditionally, when looking other sports mvp awards - this format is more consistent (see NBA MVP and MLB MVP). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  08:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of superfluous information 

message: Quoting The award is sponsored by Cadillac and the winner is presented with a new Cadillac automobile of his choice.
I do have issue with this bit as it is rather now outdated, this is for those who watched it, especially last night, MVP awardees are now allocated a particular model chosen by Cadillac. As I remember MVPs was allocated a Cadillac of his own choosing, this was until Super Bowl XL. But as far I can remember, Peyton Manning was given a Cadillac XLR and Eli was given a hybrid Escalade. Willirennen (talk) 17:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MVP award accuracies 

message: Eli and Payton are brothers who have both won the MVP.  That is a remarkable note ... shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?  Are they the only brothers to achieve this feat ... or have others done so in the past, also?   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this after someone else added it. It just strikes me as trivial; I'm sure there are many other oddities when it comes to Super Bowl MVP winners, but they can't all be included on the page. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  What other two brothers have won?   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: None that I know of, but I still think this is a trivial item. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manning brothers 

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The table is copied from List of Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award winners by age at win - which repeats much of this list, but still has some new info.  I think this information should be incorporated into the main table - perhaps so it is sortable by age/team/year etc. - but don't know how to do that.Greedyhalibut (talk) 03:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Responded on Greedyhalibut's talk page. The existing columns in the table are already sortable; just click on the arrows in the header cells. Giants2008 (17-14) 16:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see the "age" added in for each player. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Age seems trivial for the list, as it's not often mentioned w.r.t. the MVP (Manning aside).—Bagumba (talk) 19:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do you think it's trivial?  Are most of these guys in the same "age bracket"?  I thought there was some big brouhaha about Manning being the oldest quarterback to win a Super Bowl?  So, age seems relevant.  Not that he won the MVP award, but still (he could have).    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Manning didn't win the MVP this year, so it was irrelevant for me to bring it up in hindsight.  The oldest and youngest can be mentioned in prose, I just don't think it's important enough to warrant a dedicated column for this list.—Bagumba (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Bagumba that an age column would be trivial in nature. While I would hope that we can avoid adding too much trivia-type content in the article, the oldest and youngest winners do seem important enough to mention. It took more effort than I expected to find reliable sources, but the oldest and youngest winners are now covered in a third-paragraph sentence. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:14, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for doing so. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for deleted table - winner by age

message: We all know that the QB position is the most glamorous, especially pertaining to the SB MVP award.  However, let's get some variety here... KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 23:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Be our guest.  --Jayron32 20:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As the editor who helped this list get to FL status, I took a stab at creating greater balance by replacing the photos of Joe Namath and Eli Manning with those of Jerry Rice and Ray Lewis. That leaves eight pictures with five quarterbacks, which I don't believe is an unreasonable balance considering quarterbacks have won the award more than half the time. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 14:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures: Too many QBs 

message: There are a number of players who have won Super Bowl MVPs despite having otherwise unnotable pro careers (Jake Scott, Mark Rypien, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Deion Branch, Malcolm Smith - even arguably Doug Williams and Dexter Jackson).  Any objections to a small section to comment on the anomaly? --Legis (talk - contribs) 23:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if it is well sourced. The definition/criteria of inclusion of such "one-hit wonders" should not be original research. This is still currently a Wikipedia featured list, and any new content that does not follow Wikipedia:Featured list criteria risks having this page being demoted. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  I'll try and find some articles in the media which discuss the issue and use those for sources.  I am sure I must be able to find some.  To be safe, I may put the proposed text on the talk page for review - last thing I would want to do is get the page demoted by accident... --Legis (talk - contribs) 13:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: One-hit wonders

message: On the list of winners, each person's name has a little symbol of an up/down arrow immediately to the right of their name.  What is that symbol supposed to be for?  Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly didn't notice it before, and I suspect it's something new with the underlying platform.  The same quirk is at NBA Most Valuable Player Award and other lists.  Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is probably a good place to follow up, if any of us are inclined.—Bagumba (talk) 20:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it was was reported at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Sorted_tables_problem and fixed at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126007 —Bagumba (talk) 02:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   It has now disappeared.  I assume someone fixed it?  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of winners 

message: I suspect we should mention that the MVP winner also got a car in some years. Cadillac was the sponsor until 2009, there was no sponsor (and no car) in 2010, and Chevrolet supplied a vehicle from 2011 to 2015. Apparently the 2016 winner does not get a vehicle.
This and also this are blog posts and thus not a good WP:RS. However, they list the vehicle awarded going back to 2004. That data can be used to find supporting WP:RS. This is a news article about the lack of a car this year. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:41, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a sentence saying that most winners have gotten a car. According to a Sports Illustrated article I found and used as a source, automobiles have been given to Super Bowl MVPs since the beginning. As it turns out, Drew Brees (the 2010 Super Bowl MVP) was the first winner not to receive a car. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:20, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sponsor and the car 

message: This addition was recently made to the article, saying that Tom Brady became the oldest Super Bowl MVP. This is a classic verifiability, not truth situation, which I realized after the Super Bowl when I couldn't find a reference to support this. We had the oldest and youngest Super Bowl MVPs in the lead before Super Bowl LI, but Brady becoming the oldest Super Bowl MVP was apparently overshadowed by the Patriots' comeback as I couldn't find anything on it in any post-game media reports. After not being to find a source for a while, I removed the oldest and youngest winners from the lead. Now the oldest winner has been restored, without a reference. I'd like to have this in the article, but not unsupported, so I've removed it for now. Can anyone help by pointing to a reliable source that mentions this fact? Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:32, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found a few close ones but those would be hinging on WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. Can't find anything that explicitly states he's the oldest SB MVP. A google search of ""oldest super bowl mvp" + brady" only yields 775 results, and none of them are what we're looking for. This is clearly something that hasn't been reported on much in the press, or anywhere else for that matter. Lizard (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that looks like OR/synthesis to me as well. The odd part is that we had no problems citing the previous oldest Super Bowl MVP (John Elway). I guess the media just hasn't had a chance to do many articles on Super Bowl facts and figures, which usually have such details, since the last game. If I ever see an RS with this fact, I'll make sure to re-add it. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest Super Bowl MVP 

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message: We are still in the process of arriving at resolution on the question of whether the table will have better quality with, or without, a column for "College".
And during this discussion, Giants2008 presented examples of tables that include a column for "Stats" or "Highlights", which goes a long way toward explaining to the reader why a player was awarded the MVP.  So while the College question is being resolved, we could concurrently discuss whether the best form of the table would also include other info, such as Stats.  Here is one sample from the most recent game:
:2018   LII   Nick Foles   Eagles   QB   28-of-43, 373 yards, 3 TDs, 1 TD reception
It would appear that some here have the opinion that "less is more".  But Stats could be a case where more is more.--Mark Thomas II (talk) 04:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We generally avoid stats columns on NFL lists. It's cruft that adds a wide column to the table, especially in cases where stats don't tell the whole story, like for Ray Lewis and Martin/White. It's just too much. Lizard (talk) 05:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stats" column 

message: The table at Super_Bowl_Most_Valuable_Player_Award#Multiple_winners is currently broken because Brady has now won the award with two teams.  He won 4 with New England and now 1 with Tampa Bay. This current version separates the wins with the two teams, unnecessarily making a reader add the two together (not to mention, it's currently an error showing 5 with NE and 1 with TB).  Given this is an FL. it should be fixed to 
# Show the correct total
# Decide whether a separate row itemized for each team still works, given that not all quarterbacks (Brady) played for only one team.
For comparison, neither NBA Most Valuable Player Award#Multi-time winners nor World Series Most Valuable Player Award#Multiple winners, which both have players who have won with multiple teams, has multiple rows for the same player.
—Bagumba (talk) 12:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple winners table style