Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports Results

message: Event:              	Gold:                    	Gold:  	Silver:                 	Silver:	Bronze:                         	Bronze:
Marathon            	Rob de Castella Australia	2:10:03	Kebebe Balcha Ethiopia  	2:10:27	Waldemar Cierpinski East Germany	2:10:37
3,000 m Steeplechase	Patriz Ilg West Germany  	8:15.06	Boguslaw Maminski Poland	8:17.03	Colin Reitz Great Britain       	8:17.75
====Comments on style B====
*I think we should have flags in the medals table but NOT in the results table. The flags cause the tables to become cluttered with redundant information. The nationality of each athlete is already in the table so I do not see the benefit of having the flag too.  (from Archive1)David D. (Talk) 04:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia_talk:Flags_in_results_tables:_examples#Style_B|Style B]]

message: *I think we should have flags in the medals table but NOT in the results table. The flags cause the tables to become cluttered with redundant information. The nationality of each athlete is already in the table so I do not see the benefit of having the flag too.  (from Archive1)David D. (Talk) 04:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on style B

message: Event:              	Gold:          	Gold:  	Silver:          	Silver:	Bronze:            	Bronze:
Marathon            	Rob de Castella	2:10:03	Kebebe Balcha    	2:10:27	Waldemar Cierpinski	2:10:37
3,000 m Steeplechase	Patriz Ilg     	8:15.06	Boguslaw Maminski	8:17.03	Colin Reitz        	8:17.75
====Comments on style C====
*I think that this is the best solution and I think it's most beautiful of these 4 styles. - Darwinek 20:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia_talk:Flags_in_results_tables:_examples#Style_C|Style C]]

message: *I think that this is the best solution and I think it's most beautiful of these 4 styles. - Darwinek 20:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on style C

message: Event:              	Gold:          	Gold:  	Silver:          	Silver:	Bronze:            	Bronze:
Marathon            	Rob de Castella	2:10:03	Kebebe Balcha    	2:10:27	Waldemar Cierpinski	2:10:37
3,000 m Steeplechase	Patriz Ilg     	8:15.06	Boguslaw Maminski	8:17.03	Colin Reitz        	8:17.75
====Comments on style H====
*The advantage of this style is that it is the most economical with space.  This allows for longer names.  Since the country code is small is does not distract from the athletes name. The flag and country name are always in a consistent place. A disadvantage could be that we are defining that one row is at least two lines, however, it should be considered that there is no format that can contain all this information with out using two lines for each row.  Unless people have a very wide monitor! 
:It is hard to scan down this table since the flags clutter the columns but it is relatively easy to ignore the flags when scanning the rows. The later is probably and advantage for track and field, and many other sports, since information in each row is related.  An important feature is that the cryptic flags and country codes are not a problem since mousing over either will give the full country name as a 'pop up'. David D. (Talk) 04:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia_talk:Flags_in_results_tables:_examples#Style_H|Style H]]

message: *The advantage of this style is that it is the most economical with space.  This allows for longer names.  Since the country code is small is does not distract from the athletes name. The flag and country name are always in a consistent place. A disadvantage could be that we are defining that one row is at least two lines, however, it should be considered that there is no format that can contain all this information with out using two lines for each row.  Unless people have a very wide monitor! 
:It is hard to scan down this table since the flags clutter the columns but it is relatively easy to ignore the flags when scanning the rows. The later is probably and advantage for track and field, and many other sports, since information in each row is related.  An important feature is that the cryptic flags and country codes are not a problem since mousing over either will give the full country name as a 'pop up'. David D. (Talk) 04:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on style H

message: Event:              	Gold:	Gold:          	Gold:  	Silver:	Silver:          	Silver:	Bronze:	Bronze:            	Bronze:
Marathon            	     	Rob de Castella	2:10:03	       	Kebebe Balcha    	2:10:27	       	Waldemar Cierpinski	2:10:37
3,000 m Steeplechase	     	Patriz Ilg     	8:15.06	       	Boguslaw Maminski	8:17.03	       	Colin Reitz        	8:17.75
====Comments on style I====
*I would vote for this style, provided that the country code is placed after the athlete's name. For an example of this, see Rowing at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Medal summary. Regarding the example, I'm not sure that the comma between athlete name and country code is the best delimiter; perhaps just a space would do, or one might enclose the country code in parentheses. The main advantage with this style is that the athlete's name is the first, and thus the most prominent, alphanumeric information in each data cell, with the three-letter country code coming in behind. --Wernher 21:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia_talk:Flags_in_results_tables:_examples#Style_I|Style I]]

message: *I would vote for this style, provided that the country code is placed after the athlete's name. For an example of this, see Rowing at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Medal summary. Regarding the example, I'm not sure that the comma between athlete name and country code is the best delimiter; perhaps just a space would do, or one might enclose the country code in parentheses. The main advantage with this style is that the athlete's name is the first, and thus the most prominent, alphanumeric information in each data cell, with the three-letter country code coming in behind. --Wernher 21:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on style I

message: Perhaps we should consider removing the green 'dispute alert box' from those ch.ship articles whose result listings have been mostly filled in with our current layout/flag style? One candidate is this year's ch.ships. --Wernher 00:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree. Punkmorten 17:16, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to remove 'dispute alert' from some ch.ship articles? 

message: Whatever the format of data entry into the tables, can I take it that we have agreed that the sp called 'pretty' style for the tables themselves has been decided upon as the best course of action? All 4 styles here use it and I think it's better than what we have already on some pages. I'm only asking this as I'm wanting to add some of the missing resuts to some of the Commomwealth Games pages and want to at least try and get the general table style right for now. Evil Eye 10:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched to prettytable since the lines appeared too prominent in the previous tables.  The problem with prettytable is that it is too padded.  I just realised that we can create our own template, but, of course, this will lead to another huge discussion.  I created a template called Template:Sports result table based on the Template:Prettytable.  We can edit it to hearts content. One of the huge advantages of using our own template is that if we need to tweak the tables at a later date we only have to change the template not edit every table manually.  Templates are definitely the way to go and i just changed all the examples on this page to the sports result table template.  See below for a comparison of the prettytables template with the sports result table template.  David D. (Talk) 16:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The tables themselves: "prettytable" or what?

message: There has already been a fair amount of comment on this issue at the following two talk pages,  Talk:2005_World_Championships_in_Athletics; 
 Wikipedia:Measurements_Debate.  
To summarise: Americans obviously prefer imperial measurements since they are more familiar with those units.  In fact, some Olympic results in track and filed have been entered as imperial only, despite the results being measured and reported in metric.
At the page for the 1988 Olympics the field events are reported in imperial only.  Similarly the 1984 Olympic results were also presented in this format.  I edited the 1984 Olympic results to include the reported metric measurements too leaving the imperial measurements intact.
Results presented with imperial and metric (from the 1984 Olympic  page).
Event:  	Gold:            	Gold:         	Silver:       	Silver:       	Bronze:    	Bronze:
Shot Put	Alessandro Andrei	21.26 (69'9") 	Michael Carter	21.09 (69'2½")	Dave Laut  	20.97 (68'9¾")
Discus  	Rolf Danneberg   	66.60 (218'6")	Mac Wilkins   	66.30 (217'6")	John Powell	65.46 (214'9")
Results presented without the imperial conversion.
Event:  	Gold:            	Gold:	Silver:       	Silver:	Bronze:    	Bronze:
Shot Put	Alessandro Andrei	21.26	Michael Carter	21.09  	Dave Laut  	20.97
Discus  	Rolf Danneberg   	66.60	Mac Wilkins   	66.30  	John Powell	65.46
I created a similar page for the  1986 European athletic championships but I did not add the imperial equivalents.  This is pretty much in line with the metric only stance. The assumption on my behalf is that few US contributors would find this page interesting and it is time consuming to convert all the heights and distances.  If, however, a US contributor wants to do those conversions and add them to the article I would not complain although I believe those measurements are not necessary.
Metric should always be present since as someone mentioned in the  Wikipedia:Measurements_Debate, "The advantage of the metric system is that it is unambiguous". Nevertheless, we need to establish a policy for the inclusion of non metric measurements in these tables. David D. (Talk) 15:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are including imperial measurements in the table, Style C or H would definately suite it. As we need two rows otherwise the tables will be wider (wider then the page, meaning we have to scroll across). - Nick_C 16:46, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

text: It's the throwing and jumping events that use imperial. David D. (Talk) 05:30, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I think we should use only metric system. - Darwinek 21:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I think this small type scheme is a brilliant solution, GregorB! We get to have our cake and eat it too. :-) --Wernher 16:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also like Gegor B's format. David D. (Talk) 19:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with GregorB. I would never insert imperial units, but if someone does (preferably as shown above), I won't revert it. Punkmorten 17:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Metric and Imperial ?

message: I know thi is only a minor point, but when it comes to including result abbreviations after results (such as PB or WR) we need to decide whether the letters will follow immediately after the resutls or whether they will appear in brackets after the results. The 2005 World Championships in Athletics article is a prime example of use of both methods, each seems to have been used equally up to now, even with out concensus between adjacent results. Personally I don't mind which method is used, but would like to see a decision made. Evil Eye 20:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Result abbreviation

message: We should agree on the use of capitals in titles such as "Olympic champion", "world champion", etc. I'm not 100% sure, but I strongly suspect that the only word to consistently capitalize is---you're right---"Olympic". Comments, anyone? --Wernher 03:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, only Olympic, should be capitalized David D. (Talk) 19:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization of ch.ship honors

message: Regarding the new Template:Sports record codes (which was somewhat overdue, it seems), we probably need to discuss where it should be placed on the relevant sports pages. For its introduction, I just put it beneath each table, but I'm not sure I like it best that way. Perhaps placing it just below the section headings "Men's results" and "Women's results" would be better, I don't know. --Wernher 03:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Wernher,  I like your template.  I played around with it making some 'bold' additions.  I also changed the location in the womens tables in the current world championships page to experiment with placement.  What do you think? David D. (Talk) 19:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. I've now done the same with the remaining tables. Still, I wonder whether my suggestion above would be at least as good---as it is now, the reader has to scroll to the end of long tables to get to the codes. But perhaps we should require readers to do that, if they're at all interested in understanding the codes anyway? :-) --Wernher 20:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Another question: how come the tables' line of Sports record codes are taller (vertically bigger) than the head line ("Gold, Silver, Bronze")? The tables would really look better if both of those lines were of the same height. I have tried to find out about this but wasn't able to do anything about it, alas. --Wernher 03:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

text: That means Area Record (Area probably meaning continents, but CR is used for "Championship Record") the areas are: North America, South America, Europe (including Russia, as far as I can see), Africa, Asia and Oceania. So that was a new South American record. /AB-me 17:41, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I've also just heard on TV that Christina Obergföll, of Germany has just beaten the European Record in the Javelin. (She beat the European record with a throw of 70.03m), so that will explain what AR means. Results. - Nick_C 18:25, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:Sports record codes

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