Talk:Cymbeline

message: British chieftain, Cunobelin?, who reigned at the time of the Roman invasion.--when is that? do we have dates by chance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DennisDaniels (talk • contribs) 22:44, 18 October 2002
:I've added the link, for those who want to know the actual history.  Also Asimov's interesting observation about the similarities to the history of Augustus & Livia - at least the version of it later novelised as I, Claudius.  For instance Agrippa Postumus was Augustus's grandson and rejected heir.  Of course if this was the sources, Shakespeare must have decided to change it a great deal.  Hypothetically, he began a Tragedy of Augustus, felt it wasn't working and re-wrote it as the play we have.  
:Augustus concentrated on Germany, leaving Britain alone and in fact failing in Germany.  Caligula maybe contemplated invading Britain but did not try it.  The actual invasion was done by Claudius.  --GwydionM 15:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Cassius Dio, Augustus did consider invading Britain three times, in 34, 27 and 25 BC (Roman History 49.38, 53.22, 53.25), although he never actually crossed the channel. All three occasions predated Cunobelinus by some time, though. --Nicknack009 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: This past weekend, a Swedish theater group in my part of New York state performed their version of Cymbeline entitled Immo and Leo. Just a thought... JB82 19:53, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to see Cymbeline and you are in Montana, Montana Shakespeare in the Parks is showing it over the course of the 2005 summer.  I enjoyed their performance of Cymbeline. Jrincayc 3 July 2005 21:21 (UTC)
Cymbeline is running until 11 November 2007 at Chicago Shakespeare Theatre , a production directed by Barbara Gaines.69.209.205.113 16:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Performances

message: Imogen is one of the very small number of great female roles in Shakespeare.
Really?  I can think of at least a dozen other good ones (Lady Macbeth, Goneril, Regan, Cordelia, Gertrude, Ophelia, Desdemona, Cleopatra, Miranda, Rosalind, Titania, Beatrice, Portia, Viola, Olivia), and that's only going with the most famous plays, not even getting into plays of the level of fame of Cymbeline.  On what basis do we make this statement? john k 14:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it means small in comparison to the number of great male roles? I agree, though, that it's an oddly-expressed statement. The Singing Badger 15:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Imogen isn't a particularly big part for an actress, at least in comparison with some of Shakespeare's other women, but she does get a lot of praise as one of Shakespeare's most attractive heroines. However, I don't see that statement in the article, so I guess it was removed some time back. Cowardly Lion (talk) 13:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Female roles

message: How did this remain for two weeks? – ugen64 20:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: Who is the target of the "poison"  ??? The summary makes it sound like it is both for Imogen and Cymbeline but it is given to Pisiano and he is told it is medicine. Who is actually supposed to drink it? This makes it sound like Pisiano is not supposed to drink it, but some other things I have read make it seem like it is intended for Pisiano...?  Anyone have any information about this? Kiega 07:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The specific dose of poison in the play is intended for Pisanio, although the Queen also threatens to use the same poison on Imogen. The key line, spoken by the Queen immediately after giving Pisanio the poison, is: "I have given him that, / Which if he take, shall quite unpeople her / Of liegers for her sweet: And which she after, / Except she bend her humor, shall be assur’d / To taste of too." Pisanio is the "lieger of her sweet", so when he takes the poison she will be "unpeopled" of such liegers. But then she goes on to say that, unless Imogen agrees to marry her son ("except she bend her humor"), then she will "taste" it, too. Justin Bacon (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Poison

message: I was of the impression this is a real piece of theatre - a god descending from the skies and throwing gunpowder on the stage ("sulphurous to smell"), and the stage direction concerning the  British and Roman armies. 
The decapitated Cloten bit: it's probable that the actor who played Posthumos also played Cloten. Note the bit when Cloten says 'How fit his garments serve me'; all the actor would have done is gone out in his Posthumos garb but speaking his Cloten voice. This explains why Cymbeline states all that stuff about knowing his "Martial thigh" when she awakes beside the decapitated body of Cloten. JoeBlogsDord 17:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Staging - Decapitated Cloten

message: The following is difficult to make sense of:
:The play has a relationship with Philaster, or Love Lies a-Bleeding, a tragicomedy that Beaumont and Fletcher wrote ca. 1609-10, which tends to support this dating around 1609, though it is not clear which play preceded the other.
I suggest rewriting it. RedRabbit 09:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing sentence

message: Surely the most likely location of Luds town as a place to dsplay Clotens head would have been Ludlow, an important military town on the Welsh Borders in Shakespear's day.81.86.54.87 (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Luds Town 

message: As far as I understand George Bernard Shaw's criticism on Cymbeline it derived from the substantially cut stage productions he had witnessed. especially Act V. He then set forth to write a new "enhanced" ending of the play, but this was only to prove that Shakespeare's own final Act was much superior to any of the stagings he had attented. Thus Cymbeline Refinished does but serve to mock the stage directors and certainly not Shakespeare's text and the mastery he employs in bringing the play to its happy ending. If one ventures to read Shaw's text, its absurdities and ridiculousness openly reveal the author's intentions.Danninx (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Bernard Shaw's Cymbeline Refinished 

message: When someone changed the caption of the painting from Posthumus to Postumus, I changed it back, because I was aware of the character Postumus. However, having checked as much as I can - including asking on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Postumus or Posthumus - and especially because (as I was told there), Christie's say they sold Posthumus and Imogen in 2007, I accept that the spelling is correct, as far as we can see.
So undone my own edit, and it is back to "Posthumus".
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  08:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postumus or Posthumus 

message: The following 3 sentences are no doubt true (& you might argue that Jupiter's intervention is only needed because the plot has got so convoluted) but as they stand I see no logical connection  between the first and the other two: 'Some have taken the convoluted plot as evidence of the play's parodic origins. In Act V Scene IV, "Jupiter descends in thunder and lightning, sitting upon an eagle: he throws a thunderbolt." After stating that Posthumus' fortunes will improve, Jupiter returns to heaven on his eagle.' Could someone make it read more clearly?Costesseyboy (talk) 22:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd paragraph

message: The text of the article contains the following sentence:
"Cymbeline did have two sons but they were stolen twenty years ago by Belarius.".
In my opinion this needs to be changed to:
"Cymbeline did have two sons but they were stolen twenty years before by Belarius.".
What do you think?
In the same way you can say:
"I lost my job a month ago."
But, in my opinion, you can't say:
"I got a new job in 2010. I had lost my old job a month ago."
You must say:
"I got a new job in 2010. I had lost my old job a month before."
Again, what do you think?
Thanks!
Contact Basemetal here 20:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What I think is that you should go ahead and make whatever changes you think need to be made. Your edits indicate you know what you're doing. And thanks. Tom Reedy (talk) 04:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pleeze himproove mee grammour! 

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text: Hello Hallep620, I believe I have fixed it by using <ref group="lower-alpha"> instead of . – Þjarkur (talk) 18:44, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Currently the sources section contains the following sentence: 
"Shakespeare, however, freely adapts the legend and adds entirely original sub-plots." 
It isn't cited and the original sub-plots it mentions are not elaborated upon. Does anyone know where this claim comes from, or what sub-plots are known to be all Shakespeare's? If the 'original sub-plots' refer to the following discussion of the wager plot, the sentence might need clarification to avoid the impression that Shakespeare alone was responsible for coming up with the wager plot, rather than just combining it with historical legend. 
-SMambs (talk) 02:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original sub-plots 

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