Talk:Torquato Tasso

message: The Wikipedia article abruptly ends, and cuts off about halfway through its reprinting of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica text. This text is available at other places online. Would it be proper to copy the remainder of that 1911 text to this article?  OlYeller 19:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Following the precept, "be bold," I have attached the remainder of the 1911 text. It's not hyperlinked yet, nor is it written in an objective style. But it's progress. OlYeller 16:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1911 info 

message: I've placed a POV check tag on the article, requesting that the text (presumably based on 1911 Britannica version), should be edited to be more consistent with contemporary NPOV standards.  Thanks, Lini 18:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it uses EB11's unencyclopedically flowery and florid prose. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The style is that of a literary essay rather than a reference work; perhaps appropriate if one wants to sit down and read the thing for pleasure, but obstructive if one wants it for purposes of reference. The plethora of unsupported statements is an aspect of this. (E.g., 'The precocity of intellect and the religious fervour of the boy attracted general admiration.') The self-consciously literary style is also bound up with a romantic attitude towards Tasso which occasionally borders on the comic. (E.g., 'In 1565, Tasso for the first time set foot in that castle at Ferrara which was destined for him to be the scene of so many glories, and such cruel sufferings.' Cue violins.) Somebody who knows about Tasso needs to take a pruning-knife to the thing. Dayvey (talk) 13:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

text: I have just read the above post relating to the Italian article. I am Italian, a retired teacher of Literature, and would very much like to translate the article. I don't know whether my English is sufficient to the task, and hope that some patient editor with the proper fluency in English can help me. I'll work on my sandbox page:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebbles (talk • contribs) 10:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I forgot to sign. Sorry!--Pebbles (talk) 11:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: My translations is slowly proceeding. I would be very glad if a reader could tell me if it is worthwhile that I continue..or not!--Pebbles (talk) 16:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check 

message: I removed the "Sections" template because work had been done to create more subsections after the tag was placed.  I removed the "POV" template (which I had originally placed), because some work has been done on POV/tone, and because the "tone" template more correctly articulates what I had in mind when I first placed the POV template.  --Lini 23:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Sections" and "POV" templates from article 

message: 'However this may be, the nut has been cracked and we have at last read some new study, and heard some different article' [concerning Torquato Tasso]. 'For example, that of Sandra Giannattasio, a scholar who has contributed to the preparation of the celebrations.'
"The homosexuality of Tasso (...) is scientifically documented in the poet's letters. (...) Tasso had a stormy relationship with a young courtier, Orazio Orlando, while Lucrezia was for him probably that which was for Dante 'The veiled lady'... And his action, attributed to madness, of drawing a knife upon the servant who was spying upon him from behind a curtain, while he was diverting himself in an amorous exchange with Lucrezia, was in my opinion a paradoxical way of asserting a non-existent heterosexuality (or, by implication, 'normality'). Tasso was a victim of the Counter-reformation, with regard to his sexual inclinations being obliged to restraint, and from the intellectual and artistic point of view because he was obliged to rewrite his great work in a counter-reformationist way, transforming it, in the last years, into the dreary Jerusalem Conquered."
Some concrete references needed to incorporate this material. Note: the above information is NOT included in the current Tasso article in Italian Wikipedia, which is, incidentally, entirely unreferenced. Eebahgum 18:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is poetry and there is life and more private (and accurate) documentation too. In short, he was simply one of the greatest singers of love in all of literature, as Shakespeare was. The issue of his bisexuality take so much space in the talk page (and not in the article, where it's briefly but solidly referenced) only because one user was in the denial of it and vandalize the page because he couldn't accept the fact that Tasso was not purely heterosexual. Mardochee1 (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of the above unsigned comment 

message: Torquato Tasso lived in an era profoundly influenced by the Catholic church and perceptions of religious difference, and his carefully selected subject of Christianity battling Islam is a conflict with a long history and reverberations that still persist today. In the first octave of the Gerusalemme liberata, Tasso invites comparison with Ariosto's Orlando furioso, whose knights' religious beliefs seemed secondary to their heroic roles. While Tasso does indeed recognize poetry's divine fury, his conception of its origin differs from that of Plato. Francois Graziani posits Tasso's divine inspiration as more akin to Aristotle's theories of imitation, "parce que sans nier l'inspiration il ne lui donne pas une origine externe mais interne" 'because without denying inspiration, [Tasso] gives it an internal rather than external origin' and as a result, "la fureur poetique se confond pour lui [...] avec le genie poetique" 'he confuses poetic fury with poetic genius'  Grosaveux (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madness 

message: In the paragraph headed 'Tasso and other artists', after the sentence beginning 'Lord Byron's poem...' insert: Byron attacked Alfonso's treatment of Tasso in Childe Harold's Pilgrimage (Canto IV, stanzas XXXV-XXXIX).
Ljiljana Lake (talk) 16:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kharkiv07Talk 01:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2015 

message: I have no evidence for it except my notebook, but in 1979, on the footpath up the Gianiculum from the north, (starting from St. Peter's), there was a perhaps 15-foot long trunk of a long-dead tree, held
upright only by a metal support, to	which was attached a marker saying, "Under this oak died the Tasso. "Treethinker (talk) 03:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition to monuments 

message: Torquato Tasso's tragedy Il re Torrismondo was translated in English by Maria C. Pastore Passaro as King Torrismondo (Fordham University press, 1997).
149.152.26.92 (talk) 17:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --allthefoxes (Talk)  18:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2016 

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message: In their uneasiness they suggested every course but the right one, which was to publish the Gerusalemme without further dispute.
Though a rigid and unsympathetic man, as egotistical as any princeling of his era, but to Tasso he was never cruel; unintelligent perhaps, but far from being that monster of ferocity as which was later portrayed.
The man, like Hamlet, was distraught through ill-accommodation to his circumstances and his age; brain-sick he was undoubtedly; and this is the Duke of Ferrara's justification for the treatment he endured.
Rome once more, then Mantua, then Florence, then Rome, then Naples, then Rome, then Naples—such is the weary record of the years 1590–94.
"This article relies largely or entirely on a single source". "Relies"? Seriously, with such blatant POV's and purple prose it doesn't take a genius to guess that whole portions of this text must've been ripped off from the Hugh Chisholm text in the reference. And to make things even more obvious, the text that was plagiarized is actually linked to at the bottom. 37.190.146.24 (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about the purple prose. This style of writing is very florid and old-fashioned: "Wherever he went, wandering like the world's rejected guest, he met with the honor due to his illustrious name. Great folk opened their houses to him gladly, partly in compassion, partly in admiration of his genius. But he soon wearied of their society, and wore their kindness thin by his querulous peevishness." These kinds of passages should probably be either rewritten or deleted. Chillowack (talk) 08:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV, unencyclopedic style, and plagiarism to the maxxx 

message: "Actum est de eo" needs to be translated.
Don't know the particular source very well but here  is the sense (with the difference that eo = 'him').151.177.57.31 (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2020 

message: Looking through the talk page, it seems that there have been comments about the plagerism and prosaic/narrative writing in this article since something like 2007. As enjoyable as one may find it as a literary essay, it does not meet style guide/content standards for a purely informational/intentionally neutral article. I'm a new account, so I can't do anything yet, but I wanted to bring it up. If nobody has made the corrections themselves by the time I'm able to edit, I will go ahead and do so myself. A Gay Bird (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit for POV