Template talk:Taxobox colour

message: After much discussion it has been agreed that changes need to be made to the colour scheme of taxoboxes.  Your comments on this matter are welcomed here; the proposed new template can be viewed here.
Thanks,
Verisimilus T 20:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the change. In a day or two, tag the other page with  and it will be deleted. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I put in the wrong hex code by the Excavates.  I've also streamlined the code.  Could you please replace the source code of this page with that of Template:Taxobox colour/Update?  Thanks, and sorry to be a pain! Verisimilus T 16:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour changes

message: this edit seams to give some funny character ;"| on e.g. the shark page. It should be fixed, not sure exactely which to change though :-) --Stefan talk 09:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was fixed with this edit. The available regnum are in Template:Taxobox colour scheme. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, to tricky for me to figure out :-) --Stefan talk 09:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  update request 

message: In Template:Taxobox_colour, the final line of the switch-coding (stating "transparent") causes the bizarre semicolon-quotemark combination. It could be replaced as just white-color (FCFCFC), followed by the category and another quotemark, as follows:
:: |FCFCFC"Category:Taxoboxes with an invalid color"}}
Although the invalid-color category might seem excessive, it has helped to detect animal articles that were vandalized to specify an incorrect "regnum" value. -Wikid77 (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, fixed up, but there must be a span parameter that's recognised as text? Rich Farmbrough, 23:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After this fix there was even more extraneous text (' style="background:#FCFCFC"";"| ') in the header, so I reverted. Can you create a test template that shows the desired effects? -- Eugène van der Pijll (talk) 10:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix for garbled title characters (;"|)

message: 31-Aug-09:  I have re-designed it under User:Wikid77/Template:Taxobox_colour as a tested-template, which will insert a new "style=" after putting the category-name link. Based on template designs of 4 years, I've designed the newer template to also allow a non-wikilinked regnum (such as kingdom "Animalia" or "Plantae" w/o brackets) and other link forms (such as "Animalia" or "Plantae").
The plan is to replace the current template using the exact coding of the tested-template. No internal adjustments are needed, because the template's categories come from the doc subpage.
For final test, view Template_talk:Taxobox topic "Broken". -Wikid77 (talk) 07:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Replacing as next-generation template

message: This is quite trivial but given the nice muted beige colour for animals, the greenyellow colour for plants now seems rather vivid (/ garish).  Would anyone object if I were to mute it a little, whilst retaining (or perhaps increasing) the distinction from the archaeoplastid's lightgreen?  I was thinking something along the lines of #adee3f. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 21:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garish green 

message: "Rhizaria is so close to Bacteria, Archaea, and incertae sedis that I can hardly tell a difference"....And suddenly it all makes sense-- those really bright colors on the taxa I mentioned above were probably all set back in the day when CRTs were used. CRTs naturally aren't anywhere nearly as bright, and therefore display the colors darker. Those are probably all easily distinguishable on a CRT, but on an LCD they're all too light to see due to the increase in luminosity. Or is it just me? I better request the participation of those WikiProjects... (done)
I'm making a motion to darken the colors of Rhizaria, Bacteria, and Archaea. Please comment. Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs)  15:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that many of these colours are likely to be hard-coded in the taxoboxes, using the  parameter (which is still widespread in these smaller taxa).  They look easy enough to distinguish on my LCD, and I for one like a high contrast between background and text (the proposed pinkish egg colour above looks too dark for me). Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 17:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, I'm using Windows 7 (fast-growing in many areas), and many of the colors seem lighter. I personally vote darker. Crimsonraptor | (Contact me) Dumpster dive if you must 22:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: In light of the luminosity increase

message: Could the internal linking be made optional for some more of the arguments that this templates takes? The specific on I had a problem with was Rhizaria, but I see a few others that still require linking. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now optional for Rhizaria. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 14:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allow more non-linked arguments 

message: Suggestion: add new colours for Hacrobia, Stramenopiles and Alveolata.
Zorahia (talk) 02:08, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You will need to suggest which colours, and why, and then get a consensus for the change. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, looks like the colors are being directly set in the taxoboxes for these. Do we use these classifications in significant numbers? I have no strong opinions on that (clearly I am not a taxonomist!) but I did write the script that generated the new color scheme and we have pretty much run out of visually distinctive colors that are AAA-compliant with links. Pinging . Opabinia regalis (talk) 01:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 18 September 2015 

message: Hello! Could someone help us with this issue? :eu:Methanococcus -Theklan (talk) 13:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: ignore my previous comment. I looked, quickly, at the templates you have over there. But they are older than ours now, which may be the problem. I don't understand yours well enough to help. Peter coxhead (talk) 23:23, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem in Archaea in basque Wikipedia 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Microbiology#Taxobox colour for Bacteria. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxobox colour for Bacteria 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Microbiology#Taxobox incertae sedis colour. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxobox ''incertae sedis'' colour 

message: I've added  (+ aliases without the underscore and with British spelling) to make it easier to set a taxobox to the colour of a higher ranked taxon. The following are exactly equivalent:
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I think we should deprecate the use of ; maintaining and updating the set of colours used in taxoboxes will be much easier if only  is used.
If you notice any problems, revert the edit to . Peter coxhead (talk) 11:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New taxobox parameter to set colour 

message: Please see Template talk:Automatic taxobox/Archive 13#Major rewrite of the colour setting system and Template talk:Taxobox#Update to taxobox colour setting. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:45, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to colour setting in taxoboxes 

message: Please see Template_talk:Automatic_taxobox#Lua_coding. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Lua 

message: Up to now, the colours of taxoboxes for ichnotaxa and ootaxa were set manually in the taxobox templates  and  rather than in this template. This meant that (a) they were not being set when taxonomy templates were viewed (b) they could be set inconsistently in other parts of the taxobox system (manual and automated).
I've now added the colours to the template here, which should be the only place that actual colours appear. In most taxoboxes, you can use  to set a colour. If you want the actual colour values for some reason, use , e.g.  → .
For reference, the current colours are shown again below. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template now sets colours for ichnotaxa and ootaxa 

message: Harosa is a synonym of the SAR supergroup used by some authors, but isn't registered in the taxobox colour template. This means taxoboxes invoking this one in the phylogeny get the default eukaryote colour instead, making the whole thing look pretty inconsistent. As I don't think it is a controversial fix, could it be changed please? Thanks a lot! ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 23:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . What article was displaying the eukaryote colour before? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Halvaria was, for instance. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 13:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make Harosa the same colour as SAR 

message: As Vector 2022 changed the link colours slightly to rgb(51,102,204), most of the current taxobox colours aren't AAA compliant anymore, or even AA compliant, with many of them dancing on the wrong side of the 4.5 contrast ratio limit. However, many supergroups have been merged since (Rhizaria with Chromista into SAR), have been deprecated (Excavata) or just aren't used in the taxobox colour scheme anymore (Amoebozoa). With the added liberty in colours of having a few less clades, there is more space to fit 11 lighter but still distinctive colours, meeting the accessibility requirements.
Clade         	Colour	Contrast ratio
Animalia      	      	4.43
Archaea       	      	4.53
Archaeplastida	      	4.41
Bacteria      	      	4.40
Eukaryota     	      	4.10
Fungi         	      	4.41
Ichnotaxa     	      	4.03
incertae sedis	      	4.77
SAR           	      	4.40
Ootaxa        	      	5.05
Viruses       	      	4.97
Right now, only four (Archaea, incertae sedis, Ootaxa and Viruses) pass the much lower AA bar (4.5), and none of them even comes close to the AAA criterion (7.0). While the current version worked before Vector 2022, we imperatively need a new colour scheme that fits these requirements today. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 15:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I support making the contrast ratios meet accessibility requirements. However, stepping back and looking at the big picture, why do we need to have different colors in the taxoboxes at all? What function does it serve? Do readers know what they mean (OK, there is some logic for making plants green but the rest seem pretty arbitrary). Some templates that used to support different colors have had that support removed (see e.g. Template_talk:Infobox_character#Propose_removal_of_the_Color_parameter). Plantdrew (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A major reason why colors were removed in  is because they were selected arbitrarily for each character as a "theme" and often led to edit wars. Here, given they're defined based on taxonomy, this issue isn't applicable. Another important difference is that the colors serve a more crucial purpose (knowing which kind of stuff an organism is at first glance), as compared to matching a character's color scheme.Also, when considering readers, there are different kinds of scenarios. Yes, a reader encountering a taxobox for the first time might not know precisely what each color means, but imagine one used to look at species articles (which, honestly, is the biggest audience of most taxoboxes). When reading an article about marine biology, they would benefit by typing a scientific name on Wikipedia and seeing, at a glance, if it is about an animal, plant, or any other miscellaneous creature.While one could argue that the taxonomical classification already serves this purpose, it is much less intuitive and relies on more expert knowledge, which in this case also becomes detrimental to the newer reader. Without further context, how could one know that pseudofungi like the potato blight are completely unrelated to fungi, or that brown algae have nothing to do with green algae and land plants? A color-coding of major taxonomic groupings helps readers that could otherwise be lost in the myriad of Latin names, and is much more intuitive to remember after seeing a few taxoboxes. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 17:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Okay, I checked and even a white background only has 5.36 of contrast ratio with Vector 2022 blue links. The problem might not be only on the taxobox side, unfortunately... ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 18:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vector 2022 and taxobox colours