Talk:Credo

message: The audio file in this article providing the latin pronunciation of the creed is the wrong one... the person is reciting the Apostles' Creed, not the Nicene Creed. dh ▪ 2¢ ▪ 22:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it on Feb. 10, 2009. Agathman (talk) 02:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Credo 

message: I wonder whether in its current form, this article is more of a dictionary definition than a stub article. --Randolph 00:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: DicDef

message: :factórem cæli et terræ
It's been more than ten years since I formally studied Latin, but I thought it was cœli. Am I wrong? The Wednesday Island 13:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was pretty sure it was caeli but now I think it's both. Look at the Google hits for coeli and caeli. Both seem to have reputable sources behind them (Vatican encyclicals, the Catholic Encyclopedia, etc.). Hmm... Rigadoun 16:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Caeli is classical latin, coeli is (sometimes) medieval latin, because the sounds merged, and people got confused.  Caeli is probably better. BovineBeast 12:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cæli/cœli 

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thread_title: File:Gregorian chant.gif Nominated for Deletion

message: Bach's Mass in B minor (take note of the capital B!--the lowercase B is a German convention that is not used in English discourse) is not of the Classic era, which is implied by the phrase before the parenthetical note in which his mass is mentioned.  Also, I would like to know from what source the word "High" came, for it certainly did not originate with Bach.  It should simply be referred to as: Bach's Mass in B minor.  Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to mention that it is from the so-called Missa tota, as the Credo did not appear until years after the Kyrie and Gloria were written.  Also, the very idea of mentioning Bach's Mass in B minor in this parenthetical instance is suspect.  The Credo opening straddles a fine line upon examination.  Even though The Credo chant is not intoned before the concerted music begins, Bach has only a  (the) tenor(s) sing the "Credo in unum Deum" at the offset.  This is a nod to the composers of the past Renaissance polyphony tradition, which he knew very well--not only is the melody constructed from the Credo chant, but it is also sung (as said before) by the tenor (i.e., the very part that would always have the chant melody in cantus firmus masses).  Given the implications of these strong "backward" compositional leanings in this section, some thought should be given to how his mass should be presented within this article.
In addition, and slightly off topic, it is suspect that this entry has but one citation!  
Orgelspielerkmd (talk) 06:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bach as a Classicist, and other intriguing tidbits 

message: "factorem" is more like "builder", as in making something out of existing things. "Creatorem cæli et terræ" is more correct, in the sense that "creatorem" is creating, ie, making something where previously there was nothing. Which is more consistent with the belief of a "creator". 
Old_Wombat (talk) 11:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  " factorem cæli et terræ "  is not strictly correct.