Talk:Richard Bong

message: : "... he played the clarinet in the marching band and participated in baseball, basketball, and hockey."
Why not "played" rather than "participated in"?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.64.75.191 (talk) 20:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's easier on the eyes to read. Using played twice in the same sentence would show a lack of authorship when alternatives could be used that don't change the definition of the topic being discussed. 2601:243:C700:38E3:5C66:A154:C0F:F78E (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Life

message: : All of Bong's victories were while he was flying a P-38 named "Marge" after his wife....
: February 15 [1944] | 1 | Tony off Cape Hoskins, New Britain, first vistory in 'Marge''
Obviously, these can't both be right. The most reasonable explanation I can think of that would sort of satisfy both statements is if he had more than one aircraft named 'Marge', but that would still leave both those statements sounding rather odd. Unfortunately, I've no idea which one is nearer to the truth, but maybe someone'll take notice. --John Owens (talk) 14:53, 2005 August 8 (UTC)
Sorry, I am unfamiliar with Wikipedia markup. Feel free to delete this note. Bong's wife, Marge Vattendahl, under the professional name of "Kris Dahl," was editor of a dog magazine, the Boxer Review, for about 20 years. After her second husband passed away, she then revealed in an issue of the magazine that she was the wife of Bong. There was a model airplane based on the P38 planes that Bong flew, that included a sticker for "Marge."
http://slick.org/deathwatch/mailarchive/msg01140.html
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thread_title: Aircraft name -- Marge

message: A very nice article. You've even included a picture and a list of his kills. Awesome. If you can find a copy of his Medal of Honor citation, that might be nice to include, as many other Medal recipients have their citations quoted in full on their articles. LordAmeth 09:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? Seems more like a stub or Start Class to me. There are no details of his units/bases, no description of specific kills, and no attempt to explain what made him the highest scoring U.S. ace of the war. But we have a whole section devoted to his wife, whose main claim to fame seems to have been her husband. Grant65 | Talk 01:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:MILHIST Assessment

message: He was not the allied "ace of aces", that claim could be made by Ivan Kozhedub, who had 62 kills to Bong's 40 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jibba-jabbaman (talk • contribs) 14:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not say "Allied Ace of Aces"-- he was the American Ace of Aces, however, and so the term would be appropriate here.--Buckboard 13:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ace of Aces?

message: The article header, as well as the article itself, apparently states different birth and death dates than the info box... Or am I mis-reading this? Iansmcl 15:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The info box is wrong. --Panoptik (talk) 23:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth and Death

message: The initial paragraph indicates Bong had 40 kills; the table shows only 38. One or the other should be updated...  Byoolin (talk) 14:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of kills?

message: We have a conflict that needs to be resolved. Dear Mom has an appendix that lists Bong's flights and it shows Bong not to have flown for weeks during late June and most of July. The Chronicle of Aviation says otherwise. Which one is right? Was the flight unauthorized and not listed in Bong's flightbook? Was the daredevil pilot somebody else? Is the date wrong? Binksternet (talk) 19:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though Bong might have had reason to tell his family he buzzed a friend's house rather than flying under the GGB, he's the closest authority on the subject; far closer than Kenney. Unless we get new information, it appears that we'll need to keep the bridge story out of the article, or mention it for purposes of debunking. Binksternet (talk) 17:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: July 7 1942

message: The notation for Bong's November 11th victories (2) indicates that this was when he was recommended for the CMH.  Something is strange here-his CMH citation reads that it is for his actions between October 10 and November 15, when, "His aggressiveness and daring resulted in his shooting down 8 enemy airplanes during this period."  Besides the dates not jiving, the chart shows only 6 victories in that period of his 3rd combat tour (and 38 total instead of his 40 confirmed).  Bong claimed 2 victories on October 10, 1944-an Irving and an Oscar during a mission to Balikpapan (mission no. 384-the combat report for the 7 hour mission is dated Oct. 11).  the report states that Capt Baker and Col. Walker witnessed these victories.-"Dear Mom", page 393.
The chart of Bong's victories at acepilots.com (http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_bong.html) shows the October 10th victories missing on the Wikipedia chart and notes he was recommended for the CMH on/or after the November 15 mission.  I am not sure how to edit the chart in the entry to reflect this correction.  Besides the acepilots.com entry, "Dear Mom"'s "Combat Record of Enemy Aircraft Destroyed" (epilogue, pages 557-560) supports the October 10 victory claims.Rfuhrman (talk) 19:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Aerial Victory chart

message: That business about the "South West Pacific Theatre" is British Crap. Americans named it the Southwest Pacific Theater - and Bong was an American. Avoid using British terminology in all cases! Don't be insulting to Americans! 98.67.170.121 (talk) 09:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it as such a big deal; everyone can understand the concept either way. Bong would not have given it a thought, I imagine. Binksternet (talk) 10:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

text: An epic effort to be insulted for the Red White and Blue, complete with an actual intended insult.  (Southwest / South West) Pacific Theater is a simple geographical descriptor.  I hate validated stereotypes. 75.156.133.205 (talk) 01:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like you're matching hypersensitivity with hypersensitivity to me.--172.190.125.140 (talk) 03:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Use American Terminology About an American Military Officer!

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  Recent bold edit 

message: Bong does not appear to be entitled to the Philippine Independence medal due to the fact it is awarded for having both the Philippine Defense Medal and Philippine Liberation Medal; the Defense medal is for the period of Dec. 8, 41 to Jun 15, 42 - which Bong does not qualify for. YahwehSaves (talk) 22:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippine Independence Medal questioned