Talk:Infrared sauna

message: Should this article be combined with main sauna article?  
N8dawg (talk) 07:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

message: I've gotten really into infrared since a successful fight with cancer. A good (non sales) link explaining this is www.saunahealing.com [that link is a dead link as of 7 March 2021 and is up for sale]
Such a small world, I have been struggling with severe eximia for the last 4 years. I purchased an infrared sauna 4 months ago and already am making more progress than I did the last 4 years.  So I'd like to contribute another good "non-sales" link if you need a 5 minute buyers guide is http://www.saunabuyersguide.info [that link is also a dead link as of 7 March 2021 and is also up for sale], it gave me a good idea of what to buy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.177.176 (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested external link 

message: OK in the absence of any feedback to the negative I'm adding the link now  —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 01:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding 

message: I feel that the external link on this page is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at self-promotion, and is not in keeping with standard wiki guidelines of non-commercialism.
The list of companies on the main page is nearly just as bad, in my opinion.
Let's keep Wikipedia non-commercial.  What do you say?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.128.28 (talk) 08:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link 

message: The external link in question is educational and useful to people interested in infrared saunas.
Also, the info in the article is not in the wiki article.   The whole site in question is an info based site and not a sales site -   the site hosting the article isn't directly selling any products.  It seems to be within wiki guidelines.
The list of manufacturers within the wiki article does seem like a sales promo.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 12:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it because the article has very little information whatsoever, is highly promotional, and is heavy with advertising.  See WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT#LINK. --Ronz (talk) 00:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  response re external link

message: Has anyone researched health hazards of infrared saunas related to the eyes/testicles? If in fact infrared heats to depths beyond 1 1/2 inches, what are the effects of heating our eyes/testicles?65.102.96.125 (talk) 04:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Hazards 

message: none that I know of, however it is generally understood that prolonged time in any "heated" environment can lower a mans testosterone production, at least temporarily.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 07:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  response to Health Hazards 

message: What about people afflicted with various types of melanoma?  Does infrared wavelengths cause or have any impact on skin cancers?  [RWM] 14 April 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.15.63 (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other potential Health Hazards 

message: IMO this article needs work. For example, there is a reference to "researchers at the Mayo Clinic..."  but the reference link only takes you to the page on The Mayo Clinic!  I'd like to take some comfort that the evidence of reduction of "toxins" by infrared heat has objective evidence behind it.  Also, there is no evidence I am aware of that manmade toxins are any different than "natural" toxins.  You can poison yourself just as easily with both, as  was well known since the dawn of humankindPeter Frishauf (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost a year later and it still needs more and better refs, so I added the tag. --Ronz (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: article should be tagged as needing references

message: Re my revert , I thought that some of the other editors had commented when removing the same and similar information.  Sadly, I'm the only editor making any comments in the edit summaries. --Ronz (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious and promotional information

message: So I see the debunkers can come here and make their own unsubstantiated claims. If you have ever used an infrared sauna you know your metabolism amps up and you sweat profusely as your body attempts to cool itself. Both of these actions require energy. Energy equals calories. Your claim that using the sauna doesn't increase calorie burn is actually more offensive than all of those outlandish claims the manufacturers themselves make. You are flat out wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.10.213 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  calorie expenditure 

message: Why would people with CFS *need* to sweat, a need that can be satisfied by an infrared sauna? Citation needed for this.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.133.32 (talk) 19:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fine for the MEDRS thanks (apart from one source, which I trimmed). Changing citation style without agreement can upset people. Alexbrn (talk) 05:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Alexbrn I will keep the citation issue in mind. Could you help me understand the issue with the source re MEDRS, was it just not specific enough? OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine, one of the most notorious journals on the planet. In general, see WP:CITEWATCH for sources to suspect. Alexbrn (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood, with thanks OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronic Fatigue Syndrome 

message: Sources:
*Miyata, M., Kihara, T., Kubozono, T., et al. (2008). Beneficial effects of Waon therapy on patients with chronic heart failure. Results of a prospective multicenter study. J. Cardiol, 52(2):79-85.
*Mussivand, T., Alshaer, H., Haddad, H., et al. (2008). Thermal therapy: a viable adjunct in the treatment of heart failure? Congestive Heart Fai, 14(4):180-6.
*3. Kihara, T., Biro, S., Ikeda, Y., et al. (2004). Effects of repeated sauna treatment on ventricular arrhythmis in patients with chronic heart failure. Circ J, 68(12):1146-51. 
*4. Masuda, A., Miyata, M., et al. (2004). Repeated sauna therapy reduces urinary 8-epi-prostaglandin F(2alpha). Jpn Heart J, 45(2):297-303. 
*5. Imamura, M., Biro, S., Kihara, T., et al. (2001). Repeated thermal therapy improves impaired vascular endothelial function in patients with coronary risk factors. J Am Coll Cardiol, 38(4):1083-8.
*6. Masuda, A., Munemoto, T., Tei, C. (2007). A new treatment: thermal therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome. Nippon Rinsho, 65(6):1093-8.
*7. Masuda, A., Kihara, T., Fukudome, T., et al. (2005). The effects of repeated thermal therapy for two patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. J. Psychosom Res, 58(4):383-7.
*8. Matsushita, K., Masuda, A., Tei, C. (2008). Efficacy of Waon therapy for fibromyalgia. Intern Med, 47(16):1473-6.
*9. Masuda, A., Nakazato, M., et al. (2005). Repeated thermal therapy dimishes appetite loss and subjective complaints in mildly depressed patients. Psychosom Med, 67(4):643-7.
*10. Masuda, A., Koga, Y., et al. (2005). The effects of repeated thermal therapy for patients with chronic pain. Psychother Psychosom, 74(5):288-94.
*11. Tei, C., Orihara, FK., Fukudome, T. (2007). Remarkable efficacy of thermal therapy for Sjogren syndrome. J Cardiol, 49(5):217-9.
*12. Oosterveld, FG., Rasker, JJ., Floors, M., et al. (2009). Infrared sauna in patients with rheumatoid arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis. A pilot study showing good tolerance, short-term improvement of pain and stiffness, and a trend towards long-term beneficial effects. Clin Rheumatol, 28(1):29-34.
I've moved these from the article as they were added with no changes in content and without any other indication they verify anything. At a glance, they appear to be primary research studies. If so, they probably should not be used without a review per WP:MEDRS. --Ronz (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential references

message: I've rewritten and expanded this page to include new references and content. Unfortunately almost all the references used were not WP:RS and the majority of medical claims were not WP:MEDRS. I believe the article now meets the guidelines to remove the "addtional citations required" tag so I've done that too.OneUpOnUs (talk) 04:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fine for the MEDRS thanks (apart from one source, which I trimmed). Changing citation style without agreement can upset people. Alexbrn (talk) 05:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Alexbrn I will keep the citation issue in mind. Could you help me understand the issue with the source re MEDRS, was it just not specific enough? OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine, one of the most notorious journals on the planet. In general, see WP:CITEWATCH for sources to suspect. Alexbrn (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood, with thanks OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantial rewrite of page