Talk:William Holden

message: I added the Tom's Diner reference. I think it is an interesting fact, but as it stands the seciont on his death ends with "... Who had died While he was drinking it was no one I had heard of", which is sad. Feel free to rephrase that sentence so the quotation is partial or not at the end. BenFrantzDale 08:19, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We've now gone back to showing 16 November in the lead para as the date his body was found.  And the most probable date of death 12 November has been removed from the Death section.  I query both of these.  Why give prominence to 16 November when we know for certain that he died "several days" before then?  16 November is not a significant date in his life - the date he actually died is far more significant.  OK, so we'll never know exactly when he died, but I don't see a problem with stating that forensic evidence suggests 12 November as the most likely date.  Showing "November 1981" as his date of death in the lead para seems to me to be a much more pertinent piece of information than "remains found 16 November".  The detail about when his remains were found can go in the text.  It does not have the same status as date of birth or date of death.   JackofOz 11:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point, but I think, in absence of a precise date of death, the date his remains were found is quite significant in biographical terms. I didn't notice someone had removed the 12 Nov info from the text though and will restore that. Wyss 11:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if he hadn't been found for 2 weeks, or a month, or 6 months?  Would the date of his finding still be significant?  It's an interesting piece of passive detail.  Passive, because it is about the actions of somebody else after Holden was dead; it is not about anything Holden did himself, and therefore does not merit such prominence in amongst the primary facts of his life.  Keep it, but put it in the text.  That's my view.  JackofOz 11:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it would be significant (I've worked on other bios, here and elsewhere, whose subjects died on unknown dates). However, the notion that his b-d dates are expressed in a way that could rankle some readers does concern me, so I'll try something else. Wyss 11:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I await your solution with great interest.  JackofOz 11:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, like I await your reaction :) Wyss 11:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like your solution.  Hey, I would have been happy with "November 1981", the way it was before.  But you've gone one better.  Thanks.  JackofOz 11:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the nudge. Wyss 12:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tom's Diner

message: The date 16 November appears from time to time.  We'll never know with certainty when he died, however it definitely was not the 16th.  That was the day his body was discovered, and he was long dead by then.  As I said in my earlier contribution, forensic science determined his probable date of death as 12 November, and that date appears in reputable sources.  I have made the necessary correction.  JackofOz 22:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We've now gone back to showing 16 November in the lead para as the date his body was found.  And the most probable date of death 12 November has been removed from the Death section.  I query both of these.  Why give prominence to 16 November when we know for certain that he died "several days" before then?  16 November is not a significant date in his life - the date he actually died is far more significant.  OK, so we'll never know exactly when he died, but I don't see a problem with stating that forensic evidence suggests 12 November as the most likely date.  Showing "November 1981" as his date of death in the lead para seems to me to be a much more pertinent piece of information than "remains found 16 November".  The detail about when his remains were found can go in the text.  It does not have the same status as date of birth or date of death.   JackofOz 11:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point, but I think, in absence of a precise date of death, the date his remains were found is quite significant in biographical terms. I didn't notice someone had removed the 12 Nov info from the text though and will restore that. Wyss 11:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if he hadn't been found for 2 weeks, or a month, or 6 months?  Would the date of his finding still be significant?  It's an interesting piece of passive detail.  Passive, because it is about the actions of somebody else after Holden was dead; it is not about anything Holden did himself, and therefore does not merit such prominence in amongst the primary facts of his life.  Keep it, but put it in the text.  That's my view.  JackofOz 11:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it would be significant (I've worked on other bios, here and elsewhere, whose subjects died on unknown dates). However, the notion that his b-d dates are expressed in a way that could rankle some readers does concern me, so I'll try something else. Wyss 11:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I await your solution with great interest.  JackofOz 11:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, like I await your reaction :) Wyss 11:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like your solution.  Hey, I would have been happy with "November 1981", the way it was before.  But you've gone one better.  Thanks.  JackofOz 11:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the nudge. Wyss 12:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Death 

message: I guess it's ok to keep the information about the Newman kids in the article but I've made it more encyclopedic and qualified, there's zero paper trail, after all. Wyss 17:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Newman children

message: the supposed "game preserver" he was in on in Kenya was in fact a hunt club that encoraged the rich and famous to come on big game safaris. He and two others, one of which had mob ties and died when his car was blown up, bought the place for $30,000 and then invested millions. They actually used wild game meat in the restaurants.
He sold his interest when Kenya started discouraging hunting but before they outlawed it.
My source for this is a show on cable called "world tour" on History International.
feb 2 2006
Jackhammer111 00:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhm, sensationalistic cable television shows are not considered reliable sources, even for Hollywood bios, never mind those allegations are wholly unsupported. Wyss 00:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to www.whwf.com, the official site for the William Holden Wildlife Foundation, and read the history there.  The foundation still owns the Mount Kenya ranch.  The neighboring hunt club was the initial site that Holden visited for hunting, but after seeing how the animals were dwindling he decided to buy the ranch and 200 acres next to it and established the game preserve.  This was in the 1960's.  He never sold his interest in it and owned it until the day he died. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da Beyotch (talk • contribs) 20:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The William Holden Wildlife Foundation web site is actually located at www.whwf.ORG and there is much more information about the Game Ranch here: www.animalorphanagekenya.org/about_mt_kenya_conservancy.php Chuck @ UPDmedia.com 19:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: the Kenya hunt club

message: I question the listing of Pasadena in his youth.  It is on the internet that he grew up in the City of South Pasadena and I know multiple people who knew his family.  He went to South Pasadena High School and lived at or near the south-west corner of Mound and Oxley (now shopping center).  He also reportedly lived near the corner of Meridian and Oak and perhap on Milan.  --CSvBibra 05:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the 1930 U.S. Census, he lived at 1911 Fletcher Avenue, South Pasadena.  And he and his brother Bobbie attended South Pasadena High School.  You're absolutely right.  I've made the correction. Monkeyzpop 06:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After further research, it's easy to see how one might make the error.  Holden's Fletcher Avenue home was literally on the line demarcating the boundary between South Pasadena and Pasadena.  The rear property line of his yard was the boundary!  But the house was definitely on the South Pas side.  FYI. Monkeyzpop 16:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean the border between Alhambra and South Pasadena.--CSvBibra 04:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, it sure looks like Pas/South Pas on my map. Monkeyzpop 07:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: City of Pasadena vs. City of South Pasadena

message: i can't find  any mention including in this article of why holden
changed his name ... stage name etc , include explanation - spike joanz whoman69.121.221.97 (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: name change

message: Conspicuously absent and worthy of inclusion is 'The Blue Knight', a three part miniseries that starred William Holden and aired in November 1973. Holden picked up an Emmy for "best actor in a limited series". It re-invigorated his career and was critically acclaimed for its adult theme of an aging LAPD cop, who struggles with mid-life crisis and contemplates suicide(its success helped spawn a TV series of the same name starring George Kennedy). Also, its year is erroneously listed in the Filmography as 1974 instead of 1973.
I humbly suggest that the entire section of the article, "Later career", needs a rewrite. The last sentence in the section, "While his second Irwin Allen was a critical and commercial failure and largely disliked by Holden himself, his other last film directed by Edwards was more successful and a Golden Globe-nominated picture", is clumsy and confusing.
Theaternearyou (talk) 05:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blue Knight TV Miniseries 

message: The biographical summary at the top of the page lists Holden's cause of death as "hypovolemia," which may be technically accurate, but is a little deceptive. I suppose lack of blood volume is the ultimate cause of many deaths that are more informatively listed as "murder," "suicide," or "accident;" and it is a vague term, which can result from bleeding to death (as in Holden's case), or dehydration due to diarrhoea, vomiting, or lack of fluid intake. I have changed the wording at the top of the page to more accurately reflect the cause of his death, consistent with the way it is explained later in the article. DoctorEric (talk) 10:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of Death

message: He wan't a prisoner, he was one of the commando force sent to destroy the bridge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.1.195 (talk) 09:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "an ill-fated prisoner in The Bridge on the River Kwai " 

message: Is there another legally usable photo available for the main portrait in this article?  Holden bleached his hair for one film in his career (Sabrina), but otherwise was dark haired and most familiar that way.  There's already another photo subsequently in the article showing him with the bleached hair in Sabrina.  It seems to me the main photo ought to be one depicting the person as most commonly seen. Monkeyzpop (talk) 03:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 5.5 years later, I ask the same question, except that now the article contains three photos of Holden from Sabrina with the bleached hair.  It seems excessive in light of it being only from one film.  I suspect the photos would have been replaced if there were 3 shots of Holden in the blackface he wore in one film.  I suppose I'll do it myself when I can. Monkeyzpop (talk) 10:26, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principle photo 

message: the source of the erroneous date of death for Holden's brother apparently is taken from this site.  
http://www.sphsaa.org/class_profile.cfm?member_id=1414991
Beedle was in squadron VF-18 aboard USS Bunker Hill (CV-17), shot down at Kavieng, New Ireland.  In 1945 Kavieng was long in the backwater of the Pacific War, while Bunker Hill was not yet back in combat in January 1945.
Btillman (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Brother's death

message: Can someone parse this sentence?  "The conservancy is home to the critically endangered East African Mountain Bongo, which aims to prevent extinction by breeding."  It seems to imbue an animal with the ambitions of the conservancy, no? Monkeyzpop (talk) 10:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Wildlife conservancy

message: Substituted at 10:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I don't think it's relevant to the article on Holden that, decades after his death, his adoptive daughter became the grandmother of a baby who, still more decades later, became the perpetrator of the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting. Even though it's sourced, it tells us nothing about Holden, and it tells us nothing about the shooting.
Thoughts? DS (talk) 22:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's completely irrelevant, WP:TRIVIAL and too much WP:WEIGHT. We're all related to someone notable somewhere. Praxidicae (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance 

message: He married Brenda Marshall in Las Vegas on July 12, 1941, as per sample URL below, which would be nice to cite exactly the date in article body.  This is important because it was still five months before the Pearl Harbor attacks and the USA entry to WW2 (which war he entered in 1942). If he was married after Pearl Harbor in 1941 -- it might have been because he planned to enlist (as many soldiers did).  The point is, citing the month answers that question in a reader's mind in-advance. (In any case, the fact is now capture in TALK.)
https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10182-134507/william-holden-in-biographical-summaries-of-notable-people
#correction: The wikipedia URL below states the date is Sunday, July 13, 1941, not the 12th (can't trust any one web thing)::
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1941#July_13,_1941_(Sunday)
James Rodriguez 07:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage date & place to Brenda Marshall