Talk:Carlo Gesualdo

message: There has been research done via the painting with him in it that suggests very, very strongly that not only did he NOT kill the infant, but that the infant never existed, and was just a story made up to make him look worse. I'd not be surprised it this "father-in-law" business was the same thing, just a false tale made to besmirch him. There is good reason to believe that he did indeed feel guilt and agony from these deaths all his life.
I direct you to another site with Gesualdo information: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rneckmag/gesualdo.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.50.115.55 (talk • contribs) .
:Yes:  there are no records from official sources (as far as I know) for either of these two additional murders.  I added another line to that paragraph indicating exactly this.  Antandrus  (talk) 01:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right, and I don't have the Watkins book with me here.  Go ahead and fix it with the information above if you like; I think it's useful to mention the tale, because it's so widely circulated, but also to mention that it's unverifiable.  As of the painting, I no longer remember where I got that date, and even if it was me who inserted it, so feel free to change that and cite Watkins.  Antandrus  (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Murderers

message: It would be greatly useful to find a catalogue with his books of madrigals. Where can we find it? --Leonardo T. de Oliveira 14:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can add a works list to the article (I'll put on my to-do list--maybe tonight).  In the meantime you can find a complete list at grovemusic.com (subscription access).  Unless I hear any objection I'll do the madrigals by book, i.e. I'll list the contents of each book with the publication date. Antandrus  (talk) 16:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Works

message: Could anyone please rectify the sentence about his birthdate?  Exact data are found in http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gesualdo (first sentence of "Biografia"). -- Gprini 12:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: I question the relevance of this to an article about a musician, but the following website claims that Gesualdo dallied with both sexes. Hmmm. I suppose it is rather interesting when one takes into account how much of the article is devoted to scandal and murder, it does make for even more interesting reading:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/gesualdo.htm
I had no idea how to fit it into the article!
21:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I read all of the biographical matter available (Gray/Heseltine, Watkins, Grove) before writing the article, but do not remember seeing any reference to something like this.  Unfortunately the author of that website does not give a source (all the other details in his article are correct, as far as I can tell).  Interesting ... Antandrus  (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexuality

message: "Gesualdo had arranged with his servants to have the locks of his palace copied in wood so that he could gain entrance if locked."  Yes.  What does this mean, exactly?  How would it help to copy your locks in wood?  Should it say 'keys', perhaps, rather than locks?--JO 24 (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, while I wrote the article, I didn't add that part.  It's obviously wrong as is, and your suggestion is a good one.  I don't have the Heseltine book nearby, but what I remember is that he arranged to have the locks seem to latch, but yet be openable from outside; it might have involved another set of keys.  Antandrus  (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess it is meant that a lock's copy made of wood works with the same keys, so one would not easily notice the fraud, but may easily be destroyed when locked. But I can neither confirm nor reject this point, my sources say only that the locks had been corrupted. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 19:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gesualdo's Locks

message: It was great to include a catalogue with his madrigals and its correspondence to each book (in madrigal repertoire it is not always indicated, and everything becomes free and detached). Thanks to Antandrus. But in this catalogue I couldn't find "O malnati messaggi", madrigal probably from the third book. Is there a reason for that? And isn't there an order for each madrigal book content? We can deliberately consider them in an alphabetical order?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talk • contribs) 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Madrigal "O malnati messaggi"

message: It said Gesualdo asked Cardinal Borromeo (his uncle) to send him relics (skeletal remains) of his uncle, which makes no sense. I removed "of his uncle Carlo."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.12.97 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: They are two different people -- Carlo Borromeo died in 1584, was canonized in 1610, and Carlo Gesualdo was writing (over and over and over!) to Cardinal Federico Borromeo, shortly after the canonization. I can cite the Grove article if you like. Antandrus  (talk) 22:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Relics

message: Is it really "ridiculous" to describe the means by which he is alleged to have killed his first wife and lover (not to mention the possible other two)? If no details are known, shouldn't this be clearly stated instead (perhaps in a footnote), as this casts further doubt on the veracity of the allegations? I quite agree that Wikipedia is not a tabloid. But the method(s) of murder are not "gory details", they're just facts (if they actually exist). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to research the topic in reliable sources, and add content to the article accordingly. My reaction was entirely regarding the  tag, suggesting the article would be somehow incomplete without the gory details. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll dig out my back issues of Venosa Enquirer. We obviously need an "add gory tabloid details" tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Apparently, forensic psychiatrist Dr Ruth McAllister has used the murder as a case study. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely, there's enough material to be found for a separate article on the killings (never doubted that), like we already have a separate on some of his compositions, e.g. Tenebrae Responsoria (Gesualdo). For me the balance for the biography article would be that neither his music nor the extraordinary events of his life get most of the focus, for which the end of the current lede might be a good compass: "The fascination for his extraordinary music and his shocking acts go hand in hand" – the link you provided above to the I Fagiolini program shows the same approach splendidly: concert (Gesualdo's music) intertwined with "case study" analyses. That's the artistic approach, but for the encyclopedic approach the same kind of balance can apply: divide the attention more or less equally between music descriptions and biographical detail. More biographical detail could eventually be spinned out to one or more separate articles, like we have separate articles on some of the compositions too. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You must mean spun. But an interesting idea - I fear I might get caught in your web. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killing of wife 

message: Substituted at 10:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I can keep reverting you all day. Per WP:HONORIFIC, we're not adding don to the subject's name. You haven't made a case for adding the quote from The New Yorker and you don't have consensus. Per WP:BRD it's time to discuss. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:37, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, please use this talk page to explain your edits if you want to see them accepted. Regarding "But ...": this is generally avoided per the guidance found at WP:EDITORIAL, i.e. "but" is generally avoided unless a reliable source uses that wording in its description, and then it needs to attributed to that source. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The quote from ''New Yorker'', etc. 

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message: Why is "As a musician he is best known for writing intensely expressive madrigals and pieces..." to be preferred to "As a composer he is best known for writing intensely expressive madrigals and pieces ..."? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musician vs composer?