Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 2

message: I am a huge movie buff and I love looking up artciles on movies after I watch them. Anyways, I am always watching most Batman Related Movies.
Pages worked on: 
The_Karate_Kid to The_Karate_Kid (film)
Groundhog Day (film) - Removed Rating that was placed on page; Added WikiProjectFilms in Description.
The Day After Tomorrow (film) - Moved the page to (film); Added WikiProjectFilms in Description;
Dave (film) - Lots of changes.
--^BuGs^ 10:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you change The Karate Kid to The Karate Kid (film)? MechBrowman 14:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that was the standered being used for films. Tell me if I am wrong. --^BuGs^ 16:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films). We only use (film) if there is another article that would have the same name. Since there is no other article named The_Karate_Kid, there is no need to put (film) on the end. Thanks for your contributions, though -- perhaps you could also help renaming the remaining (movie) articles to (film)? The JPS 17:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Roger on that. Now I understand... ok. I will look for (movies) and change them to (film) --^BuGs^ 18:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi All. 

message: Wouldn't it make more sense to move the Plot section to the end of the main article body? As it stands, the plot becomes the cast section. Wouldn't someone interested in the movie but not having seen it be a little annoyed at having to try to get past the plot section, which we've helpfully marked with a spoiler warning, to find out who was in the movie? (Example: Rush (1991 film)) I would think that all of the information that doesn't give the movie away should be before the plot, which does. You can call me Al 16:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter how you style it, the plot will always show. If I goto the end of the page, to see related links, I am going to go right by it. If people were looking up the movie on a "Encyclopedia" they want to know information about it. --^BuGs^ 07:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style - Article body 

message: I'm currently working on the article to The Day After, which has potential to eventually be a featured article. Any comments, criticism, and contributions are greatly appreciated. You can discuss on the talk page/edit it or leave comments on the page's Peer Review page. Thanks. Volatile 03:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly desrves featured status, eventually. That is a brilliant, thought provoking movie. The Wookieepedian 12:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doesn't (film) have to be added? --^BuGs^ 02:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  Personally I dislike the bracketted (film) extension on the titles of articles about films, but its a useful navigational aid. In this case, the title does probably does not need a disambiguation page, so a redirect page The Day After (film) would be fine.--ChrisJMoor 02:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Day After]] 

message: um...ooops, i didn't really read the bit about 'wikiproject' before I edit the film Constantine, but seriously, it really needs an update so I just kind of wrote a film summary. 
am I suppose to? *confuse*
:No what you did was fine, but you can say how the film says ends. Don't forget to add a  tag. It was nice that the synopsis wasn't too detailed. Sometimes people go over board in that section. MechBrowman 22:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  er...can't think of a headline, sorry 

message: um...I'm a huge 'random movies that no one ever heard of' fan and I only just realise that heaps of movie aren't in wikipedia. For example, 'a return to Salem's Lot', sequel to 'Salem's Lot' by Stephen King. I mean, it's really quite a famous movie (although old), so yea. Oh! and wikipedia is seriously lack of foreign film (thing i'm best at cuz no one ever understand them) so yea, I think you guys should really kind of check out the movies...
I'm not a pro (in fact, I suck) at writing articles but is that alright if I just occasionally edit some movies? thanks
Ps. just to let you guys know, curry pie tastes so much more better without tomato sauce
AC 07:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Me again 

message: I joined yesterday and would like to alert all project members to two articles that need improvement: Rumor Has It and Victim.--HistoricalPisces 19:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: I started a temporary page to help merge/improve the quality of film crew and filming production roles in October and after working on it solo for a while, took a month break from the project.  In the meantime, no one has really contributed to the effort, despite some support for it on the Talk:Film crew page.  Anyone wanting to help out, please do!  It would be much appreciated.  On an unrelated note, it might be time to archive this page, no?  -Parallel or Together? 02:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, it is done.  Please feel free to still check out and help at the improved film crew page, though.  -Parallel or Together ? 05:31, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Film crew]]

message: Although I think identifying spoilers in films are easier to do than for some other forms of entertainment, project members might consider contributing their insights to Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines#Spoilers...66.167.253.58 07:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any opinions about what is and isn't a spoiler? 

message: I have not seen people post many screenshots for films, is it alright to put a few screenshots for particular films in say a particular section? A bit like the sections that are done for computer games and consoles (E.G. [Wikipedia N64 Screenshots])
Lummie 12:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You can if you have to, but you must follow Fair Use guidelines and use them sparingly. MechBrowman 20:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It's a situation where free use images are rarely available. Wikipedia:Image description page gives info about, for example, setting out a fair use rationale.  As a general rule they should not be used purely for decorative purposes, and as MechBrowman said, should be used sparingly.  The images used should illustrate points made in the text (ie they should be relevant) and the relationship between image and text can be explained in the fair use rationale.  Sunset Boulevard (1950 film) was recently a featured article of the day, and it includes a few screenshots, if you want to look at the images as examples. Rossrs 08:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, publicity photos taken on the set are copyright, but open to use in conjunction with publicity and reference (which this falls into). Thephotoplayer 05:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots allowed for films? 

message: That’s the question. When we don’t have an album cover, we put the following image: :image:Nocover.gif. But what happens when we don’t have an image for our articles about films? I have written a small article about Brennu-Njálssaga and even though I tried to find the image cover for centuries, I couldn’t. I had to put my own version of a no cover pic: :image:Missing_image.png. Is this OK? I have another article to publish with no image and I don’t know what to do. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 14:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its better to use nothing than to have image that says there is no imgae available. The image you created is also problematic, unlike Nocover.gif which says no image available, Missing_image.png makes it look like an error message.  Missing_image.png sounds like it can't load the image or it can't find the image in the database. MechBrowman 17:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I will work on it again. Unfortunately, the Nocover.gif used in music albums has a CD case on it and that makes it not suitable for films. Luis María Benítez 19:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the time that could be spent adding the file to the articles? Couldn't this time be more productively spent finding and uploading proper images? The JPS 08:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Do we have a “no cover” pic for our film articles?

message: The infobox code was recently changed, so some of the field descriptions would need to be included on the project page here. Template talk:Infobox Movie/Syntax Guide already covers their use, so maybe just linking to it would suffice? Having this information in two different places is counterproductive, so I'd appreciate suggestions for merging them. - Bobet 17:38, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in the infobox 

message: I added an awards section to The Last Seduction, using the wikitable format. Looks good? Bad? Improvements? Troy34 19:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would look better if you seperated the table by which awards were won, and which it was just nominated for. I think it's awkward having the result column. I like the way Blade Runner organizes it, a minimal use of a table. MechBrowman 20:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I think you should concentrate on the clearly major awards, especially in the case of a film like Godfather. Adding huge lists of awards on a page isn't really useful, since very few people would want to read through them all. The general appearance of the table is a question of personal preference. I'd like it more if there were no lines between cells, and the headers were lighter, making it more discreet. - Bobet 22:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the personal preference of the look on the table, i am open to ideas to change it to something everyone will use as we're going for consistany on all pages. I disagree on only putting in major awards. We're building an encyclopedia and, in my humble opinion, there should be as much information as possible on every page. Should we leave out some of the lesser known elements of the periodic table because most people wont read through them all? Troy34 23:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to put all the awards on such a large table, you could just have the major awards in the table and keep the rest as text. My personal preference is also to for the headers to be lighter. MechBrowman 23:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I lightened up the headers. Looks better. More? Troy34 23:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks a great deal better, a real difference. MechBrowman 23:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: Quite a few film articles have long plot sections, is it a good idea to break up those that do into subheadings? I've also noticed that there are some plot sections which are written in film-review style where they dont include spoilers, or try to only give an introduction to the plot, rather than providing details. Is it alright to include the entire plot because there is the  template?---- Astrokey44|talk 12:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is alright and generally prefered to include the entire plot. But subheadings should not be used in Plot summaries, and plot summaries should be kept short and sweet.  It shouldn't be a detailed outline of every plot point and detail. MechBrowman 23:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think more significant films should have longer plot summaries though ---- Astrokey44|talk 11:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  plot 

message: Please, add some screenshots from american trailer's movies released before 1964 on Commons, il you have some. licence. Thanks a lot. Petrusbarbygere 01:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailers on Commons 

message: The first quote was cool.  The second quote was cute.  This most recent quote addition is tedious.  I think everyone knows that film is important.  There doesn't need to be self congratulatory quotes about how important this project is.  If there is no objection, I will remove all/some of the quotes. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 22:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I would just keep the first one. Gflores Talk 22:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I say spread 'em. NuclearFunk 00:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Spreading them might be a good idea, actually... there is a lot of blank space next to the TOC? The JPS 09:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: I'm a little unsure if it's OK to put endings in the movie pages, for example The Ring, The Sixth Sense, and other thriller movies. I'm guessing it's a no, from what I've seen, but I'm not entirely certain. Gflores Talk 23:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is alright to mention the ending, just include the  tag. MechBrowman 23:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endings 

message: Are there any ideas/guidelines about what external links should be included in articles about films, and how many external links are too many? I'm of the view that random news articles/commentaries from regional newspapers aren't notable enough to be included, and that links to yahoo chat groups and otehr random discussion lists don't belong either. Wikipedia:External links suggests that fan sites might be okay, but I'm inclined to think that it would have to be an official and/or notable fansite, and not some random board that somebody created. 
There have been numerous reverts at Brokeback Mountain over that past few days with annonymous users putting up (arguably not notable) external links that keep getting taken down. What is the best way to deal with this? Should we create a guideline for external links on movie sites? -- Adz 00:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: With there being a link to each film's IMDb page in the infobox, does there really need to be repetition in the External Links area of each film? Lady Aleena | Talk 23:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in agreement with Lady Aleena on the IMDB page under external links. Many film pages that have an infobox have just the one external link to the IMDB page. But there doesn't seem to be any point. I think it should be deleted if there is an infobox for the page. Lummie 09:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: My apologies if this has been dealt with earlier, but is there a convention for naming foreign films?   I've seen both where the title is the original release name in the country of origin (L'homme du train), and where it is the English release title (Manon of the Springs).  Most articles are good in that they provide redirects for the English release title and the foreign title but it is strange to see a title (Le Salaire de la Peur) with an release poster in English.  There needs to be some consistency either way, though I personally favor the English release title.  See :Category:Films by country for examples of both, though French films seems to have the most movies with original release name.  If there isn't a policy then a straw poll should be done to see which is prefered.  Whatever is decided should also go into the naming conventions policy. Thanks --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 16:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to be a pest, but am I going to get any response on this?! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 15:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I'd vote for using English for the article's title, with a redirect from the original-language title. And if there's no image of the original-language poster available, I think the English poster should be used only if the film has been translated and re-released in English. Don't know if this makes sense, but it's my $.02. Cheers, Her Pegship 15:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: In the English section of Wikipedia, I say stick with the English title. Same goes for the other languages, use the language to decide which title to use. Lady Aleena | Talk 23:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally agree, but there are many cases where a film is known mainly by its untranslated title in the English-speaking world. Hence Ikiru, not To Live. Don't go overboard in translating article titles into English. --dm (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions for foreign films 

message: I created this image right before I head to bed...  Could use this on the WikiProject Film pages and I could create a Userbox template if I ever get a change at it! (Can't seem to figure it out, but I am going to ask the userbox group once you guys think of this logo. (ok bed time for me. up for 36 hours now...)  --^BuGs^ 17:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Text is way too small to be usable, though I like the idea. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 20:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo/Image for Project 

message: Hi all.  I was wondering, if some of you aren't too busy, I've got a film page up for nomination and I need some fresh eyes to give it a once-over.  Not for research, (although any advice would be most appreciated) but for grammar, spelling, structure, and that other nitty gritty stuff.  Thanks!  Palm_Dogg 10:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[Triumph of the Will]]'' ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Triumph of the Will|Nomination]])

message: I wondered what the Film project recommended regarding "tagline" notes on film articles. On the Syriana article, I removed the line with the tagline for several reasons: 1) it's just thrown into the article near the beginning, without any regard to structure; 2) it doesn't seem encyclopedic. I think that the taglines are often placed in film articles because IMDb does the same thing, but to me, they often seem out of place and not important enough to note (it's just a marketing motto). I think they should only be included if they are somehow relevant to the article. I checked this WikiProject's talk archives to see if there were any guidelines regarding taglines; all I found was a note here, but there wasn't much discussion, so I thought I'd pose the question here: Should, in your opinions, taglines be included in articles or not? – Mipadi 02:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any thoughts? – Mipadi 19:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree, almost all taglines are unencyclopedic. Only a few are worth mentioning.  An example of a tagline worth mentioning is "Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water." for Jaws 2. That tagline was extremely succesful and still reconigzed today. In the cases with notable taglines they still should only placed within text as prose. MechBrowman 22:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most film articles have a Trivia/Notes/Miscallenous section. If you think that the tagline for a film is not particularly relevant you could move it to the Trivia section. Otherwise, I'm for keeping taglines AdamSmithee 07:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I personally like the way taglines are being used in leads. For example Tagline:Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water. I think so far it works well, it may not be that relevent in all cases, but its interesting. Forever young 07:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But that's out of place—it's basically just thrown into the article. Many articles have a block of text, and then just a line like Tagline: Tagline here. The article loses flow when it's thrown in. – Mipadi 08:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taglines 

message: A couple of questions:
#Is there a general guideline for externally linking reviews in film articles?
#What would be the reaction if a professional film reviewer was found to be linking his own reviews in a large number of film articles? (I can guess, but I just want to verify my assumption.)
Thanks. android79 14:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No no NO! I have reverted the "addition" of at least one of these reviewers trying to draw attention to themselves.  Feel free to revert them or you can also leave me a message with the user as it will be much easier for me to revert their changes. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 14:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By "large number", I mean two dozen or so. It won't be terribly hard to revert these. The user in question is ; I asked him if he was the reviewer he was linking to and he admitted it openly, so I don't think there is any bad faith involved. I've already told him that what he's doing is probably not a good thing; he appears to have stopped, and I am awaiting further response. If I don't get one in the next day or so, I'll revert all his links. You are welcome to do so without my approval, of course. android79 17:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes...Mr Sells.  This would be the second time that I have reverted his edits.  The first time was not a couple films it was every film he had reviewed .  I try my best to AGF, but this was a spamming of wikipedia and I think should be treated as such.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and thanks for your work at AFD. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 17:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like he continued as an anon for a bit after I warned his registered account. Thanks for tipping me off to the anon. android79 17:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links to reviews 

message: just to inform you you can vote to support Horror film as a featured article by voting at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Horror film/archive1 - i dont think i've ever seen a film-related featured article, at least not one that isnt just a specific film, and specific film info is better served at imdb anyway. these kinds of genre articles are much more informative but never get much editing attention. Niz 21:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Film related featured articles?

message: Are there any more guidelines for writing a synopsis than the Plot section? I've been tempted to add subheadings to indicate act structure, for example, and decided that that's not very valuable. At Jaws (film), I expanded the synopsis significantly, broke it up with subheads (without attempting to match act structure), and added in-line quotes. I felt it was getting a bit long, but others added some production detail that I've since moved. I also made a plea for people to be judicious about what belongs in a "synopsis," but pointing to guidelines would be a help to all (level of detail, where to put the spoiler tag, how much to reveal about "twist ending" movies, etc.). --Tysto 20:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Synopsis' need to be short and too the point, if you think sub-headings are needed, than there is too much detail. There is no offical guidelines, but the film featured articles are perfect examples on how to write a synopsis. MechBrowman 22:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: This was already touched upon in an archived discussion, but the short poll didn't get much input and there are no real guidelines at the moment. As usual, the featured articles are good for comparisons, since they're supposed to be deemed good in every way by disinterested parties, see Sunset Blvd. and November (film) for examples of how the plot section is implemented. Twist endings should always be revealed if they're significant to the movie, The Sixth Sense is currently an example on how it should not be done. We're not trying to sell the film, just provide information on it. - Bobet 14:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. My vision of a synopsis (with subheads) is influenced by long hours of study years ago with Microsoft Cinemania. This changes my thinking, so I'll trim the Jaws (film) synopsis. But I hate "...and hilarity ensues" synopsises (and Latin plurals), so I'm happy to find that the general consensus is that a complete description is preferred. --Tysto 20:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopis guidelines

message: Distributed by: the film's original theatrical distributor. In the case of there being different distributors for different countries, list only the film's U.S. distributor (and its distributor in its home nation first if the film was not produced in America). You can clarify this in parentheses at the end, e.g. "Orion Pictures Corporation (USA)" if Orion only released The Terminator in the U.S.
This has to change.  By all means prioritise the distributor in the home nation, but why should the US distributor always be listed, even for non-US films?  Suggestion:
Distributed by: the film's original theatrical distributor. In the case of there being different distributors for different countries, list only the distributor in the country where the film was produced. You can clarify this in parentheses at the end, e.g. "Orion Pictures Corporation (USA)" if Orion only released The Terminator in the U.S.
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias Stevage 10:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is pretty much how it's done already, at least, that's what I've put in as the distributor. The wording is a bit problematic though, since "the country where the film was produced" isn't always the most relevant criteria, eg. in The Last Samurai, which I think was aimed at mainly American audiences (in that case, the distributor is the same in Japan and USA so it wouldn't make a difference, but that was the best example I could come up with). - Bobet 14:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, well I've updated the wording. There are obviously still limitations, as noted. Stevage 03:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American centric

message: It's probably outside the scope of this project, but "principal photography" and other articles under "film production" need a lot of work. I only mention it here where film-loving Wikipedians dwell because, in my heart of hearts, I imagine that Martin Scorsese is a Wikipedian. --Tysto 20:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Film production

message: User:ericnorcross created the page Long island project about a short film he seems to have produced (if that is his real name). I don't really know what to make of this, so I thought I'd come over here to see if anyone can verify this, thinks we should delete it, can improve upon it, etc. Cheers! Semiconscious · talk 00:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be deleted as vanity. MechBrowman 02:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Long island project

message: I only just found out about this WikiProject. Just FYI I've just created several articles about different MGM musicals if anyone wants to check them next to the standards being established. In the last few days I've done Ship Ahoy, I Dood It, Thousands Cheer, Till the Clouds Roll By, and Born to Dance. Except for Clouds, the other films all have Eleanor Powell in common as I'm working to fill out the redlinks in her filmography. 23skidoo 14:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MGM musicals

message: Can someone tell me what the awards line in the infobox is for or how to use it? I tried writing in it just to test it but nothing came up. Is there any use for it? Or there is and I just haven't seen it?
Thanks, Lummie 15:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been talk about that before, at least in Template talk:Infobox Film. The template currently doesn't have a field for awards (some film infoboxes have the field, but it's not displayed), since most people seem to feel that including them in prose in the article text is better than cramming a lot of awards in the infobox. - Bobet 15:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, I didn't think there was a need for it but just wanted to confirm. Ta Lummie 03:31, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards line in infobox 

message: Just a quick heads up. I removed the infobox from Supervolcano (documentary) as for some reason it was causing a PHP error (in IE if it's browser specific) on the page. Someone with a bit more knowledge can prob fix it, it's still in the page history. exolon 15:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore previous, box is back and not causing a problem now. exolon 19:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Supervolcano (documentary)]] 

message: What's up with that? We don't have a category under :Category:Participants in WikiProjects either. You can use the generic "participant in WikiProject" box:  but I think we deserve better. :) Does anyone know how to create a userbox? Her Pegship 22:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted and acted upon. Palm_Dogg 09:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's "Mr." Dogg, and you're welcome. :) Palm_Dogg 20:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey! We don't have a [[Wikipedia:Userboxes/WikiProjects|userbox]] 

message: I just added a new list of films, The Century of Films from The Guardian magazine. If anyone is bored and looking for something to do on the project, I think WP's coverage of foreign films and foreign directors is lacking. This list is a good place to start writing new articles and expanding existing ones in this area. Volatile 02:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added redirect pages at some of the redlinks (the list contains the UK version of the titles in many cases) and fixed spelling on a couple of titles on the list, where missing dots made them into redlinks. I'll take a look at the rest after the lists at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable films are done with (not in a while) unless someone else gets to them first. - Bobet 02:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Century of Cinema 

message: Hey all.  I've been checking out .  Seems like, from what I read in his user agreement page, that we could use some of these excellent stills for Wiki pages.  Many classic film actors are missing photos, and some photos in Wiki have questionable copywrite status, so I think this page would be helpful.  Anyone agree?  Steve-O 21:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  What he's put on his page is basically a disclaimer saying that he understands the images are copyrighted and if anyone feels their rights as copyright holder have been infringed, they should let him know.  That disclaimer does not automatically carry through to Wikipedia. Also, he has made no effort whatsoever to identify or acknowledge any copyright holder. Our own policies say that we should be stating who the copyright holder is but this site provides no useful information in this regard.  I think some of the photographs are brilliant, but they are no freer than a multitude of dubious images currently being used on Wikipedia.  I think correctly tagging them, and providing source/copyright/fair use rationales as per Wikipedia:Image description page are still as important as ever.   Rossrs 12:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images/Actor photos 

message: Some people have again been adding more fields to the template without talking about it so I reverted and figured I'd ask here to get consensus about it (no one seems to read the template talk). The (certificate) ratings field has already been talked about several times and while some people think having ratings in the film articles would be useful (per talk on this page), no one's even suggested that they should be in the infobox. Plus the field was only meant for MPAA ratings, adding to systemic bias.
The other added field was for film trailers. I have no idea why that should be in an infobox, or how it belongs to an encyclopedia, please tell if you think it's a good idea to have it. - Bobet 12:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly against inclusion on both fields. Ratings have been discussed, and links to trailers can be put somewhere in the article, if someone feels the need to (although these are meant to be encyclopedia articles, not commercials) AdamSmithee 13:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a film guide. There are too many ratings to put in an infobox. Trailers should definitely not be put there. MechBrowman 17:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have said in another post on this page, I use WikiPedia as a film guide. Lady Aleena | Talk 21:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Also against inclusion of ratings --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 20:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, we have to AdamSmithee 08:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well, it was just a thought. Lady Aleena  22:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox film fields (trailer/ratings) 

message: Four Word Film Review is a site which provides film reviews in four words or less by various users. The site covers a lot of films and could easily be added to the infobox as the films on that site have numerical ids. The reviews are humorous, but do we have to be completely serious all of the time? Lady Aleena  23:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we have to AdamSmithee 08:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well, it was just a thought. Lady Aleena  22:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Humor in the infobox

message: What about adding AMG to the infobox? The pages on films there are more concise than IMDb, but everything is on one page "at a glance." It would be helpful for when people are editting the pages just like IMDb.
All Movie Guide
Lady Aleena  08:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AMG in the infobox

message: So I've noticed that the guys over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history, of which I am a part-time member, have been really raking in the Featured Articles as of late.  I'm guessing that, in addition to being really smart and well-motivated, it's also due to their task bar.  I noticed that the Portal:Film site wasn't really using theirs and since the Featured Portal:War shares theirs with their respective WikiProject, I figured WP Films could do the same.  I put in as much info as I could find, but if you guys like it, feel free to expand it.  If not, my apologies, but I really though the project could use some sort of central coordinating template. Palm_Dogg 03:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WikiProject Films tasks]] 

message: As we already have a WikiProject Indian cinema, I don't think it makes sense to add the template of this project to films that have to do with Indian cinema per se. It may be better to continue this discussion at that project's talkpage for better response. --Gurubrahma 17:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Indian cinema 

message: Just wanted to let the members of this project know that I've created a list of films that have been shown at Sundance Film Festival. It can be found at List of Sundance Film Festival selections. It has about all of the information needed for the 2006 festival thanks to the handy festival film guide that I picked up. I'm going to hit up some people I know to get copies of guides from previous years so hopefully the other years will be as complete as the 2006 section is. I've also been working on getting all of the films shown at the festival tagged with :Category:XXXX Sundance Film Festival where XXXX is the year that the movie was shown. I've seen some that are both a year before and a year after the other mentions of years in the article and on imdb, so please check the year before you tag all of your favotire films. And finaly the category of :Category:Sundance Film Festival award winners has been created for all of the award winners. This year there were 27 awards given out, so there should be quite a few films in both categories. —A 07:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sundance 

message: Over at Talk:Brokeback Mountain there has been much discussion on the subject of Awards and I was surprised that there was no guidance, actually no mention of Awards in the article structure currently endorsed by this project. There is obviously a wide range of ways the subject is handled depending on the film/article so this is probably something that should be addressed. Key questions:
#Should awards be mentioned in the lead? Which are notable enough for that prominence? (just Oscars? Golden Globes?)
#Should Awards be a top level section? Or a section within Reception? Should it include nominations (as a subsection?) or just awards won?
#Should listed awards be limited or complete? What criteria should be used to limit? Notability? Quantified how? Only those awarding organizations with WP articles?
Discuss. :-) AU</b>Tiger ʃ talk/work 07:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards revisited

message: Has anyone checked the list of disaster movies?, because its almos completeted. Storm05 20:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why have a list and a cat? Isn't a cat enough?? imo, lists should be for chronological occurrences etc. and cats are much better in terms of organising. --Gurubrahma 17:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of disaster movies]]

message: in order to make a film portal that is easier and quicker to use, i move that we need to create a template such as the on used for the films of Federico Fellini, except for Jean-Luc Goddard
to keep it simple, i would suggest that it be the same format, just with information for godard in place of fellini.--zachjones4 02:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  creation of a template for Jean-Luc Godard 

message: Could you lot either find sources for this article or put it up for AfD please? Thanks in advance, --Jamdav86 11:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on afd now. - Bobet 12:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marvel Knights (film)]] 

message: Which group should I address regarding my thoughts on Kurosawa's "Rhapsody in August"?  I would like to discuss with someone regarding some edits I would like to make to the entry.  Thanks in advance! Vnv lain 16:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article's talk page (at Talk:Rhapsody in August) is usually the best place for this. Sometimes it can take a while to get answers there, but you'll usually get an audience that's interested on the particular subject. If no one answers, or if you feel like it, you can always be bold and just edit the page and see if it sticks. Since you probably got here through a link on the talk page you probably looked there already. The template at the top of talk pages is just  used to inform people of this wikiproject and as far as I know this talk page is used for more general topics about film-related articles. - Bobet 23:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry for the intrusion... 

message: Our project can always use more input. Stop by any time. Her Pegship 18:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could use some help in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Films based on books|Films based on books]] 

message: Which is the preferred category for film genre stubs, :Category:Film genre stub categories or :Category:Film Genre stubs? Thanks - Her Pegship 06:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:Film Genre stubs, since :Category:Film genre stub categories only contains 2 subcategories. They'll get categorized correctly when you tag them with  anyway, there's no need to worry about stub categories. - Bobet 12:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm doing some stub sorting, so I just wondered why there are two sub-cats that sound so similar. Thanks. Her Pegship 16:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct stub category? 

message: In a film article is it the norm to link the roles of the various crew mentioned?
I thought it was standard practice to link for example Actor, director, writer, producer, Costume designer etc
However, I've seen people unlinking these with the justification that they are common enough terms for the average reader to understand without requiring links and that such linking is "overwikification". Alternatively, couldn't these terms be linked by default within the infoboxes?  Gram 10:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it standard practice to link job titles in films or not?? Gram 16:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Linking job titles?

message: I see that  is taking on a life of its own and will soon be moving out on its own and contributing to Wikipedia *g* ...Drama is such a broad genre it becomes a catch-all. Would it be appropriate (as I see with  and ) to create more "country" film stubs to siphon off some of these? Maybe the top film-producing countries, such as France, Germany, Italy, Australia, South America? This would be a sub-cat of . I will post a proposal at the stub sorting project for discussion. Her Pegship 21:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion concerning this is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. - Bobet 23:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub type? 

message: Hi everyone, I've changed  to include a category link to :Category:Participants in WikiProject Films. This category seemed to only have this talk page as a member. Now, anyone using the WikiProject Films userbox will be sorted into this category as well. Yorick 21:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox and category 

message: I've removed the fair use image from the infobox; per Wikipedia fair use policy #9, use of fair use images should be avoided outside the article namespace. Feel free to revert if this edit was in error. --Muchness 22:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use

message: Wikipedia:Article assessment is currently accepting submissions for "1980s comedy films".  Next week all the submissions will be assessed.  Please consider adding a submission and helping with the assessments next week.  violet/riga (t) 10:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article assessment 

message: Is it possible to get a concise list of appropriate stubs and categories to use in articles on the main project page, so occasional editors don't have to search through the huge talk page to try and find some? Thanks - Nekura 22:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a list of stubs at the beginning of  and at Wikipedia stub types, and you can browse  for sub-cats. Her Pegship 15:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub and Category List 

message: How about a Best Picture Project? I just went through and added the  template to each article and on the way I noticed that some of those articles are no more than stubs and some of them could become featured with a little extra work. I would like to start a project with the goals (1) Standardize those articles (to a reasonable degree) (2) Make sure that all of them have critical information on Plot/Production/Response, etc. (3) Add Images (4) Link to Wikiquote, etc. Let me know if anyone else is interested or if anyone has some ideas as to more project goals. I won't start this until we have a handful of people who are at least tenuously committed. savidan(talk) (e@) 03:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen that template and is there any way to make that more asthetically pleasing? It just looks like a big block of text. Besides isn't that template redundant with the :Template:Succession boxes and Academy Award for Best Picture? -- CHANLORD [T]/[C]  02:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that, if you are interested to standardise and contribute to important films, there is already a more general subproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable films. AdamSmithee 08:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the template's appearance is OK although there is room for improvement. I was thinking of removing the succession boxes because they give much less information than the template, but sometimes its also nice to be able to find the ones immediately before and after easier. But the template certainly is not repetitive with the sucession boxes because it gives much  more information. Imagine trying to get from Sunrise to Million Dollar Baby! savidan(talk) (e@) 10:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best Picture Project? 

message: This was asked at Portal talk:Film, but I doubt many people read that so I'm asking the same thing here (the question being: would anyone object if I reverted the Film industry article?):
Film industry seems to have been mostly a duplicate of film which was expanded to the point of breaking. It heavily duplicates history of film and film crew (both of which I've added merge tags for, since there is some information that should be moved over). I did some cleanup, but much more is needed. Your help is appreciated. -Harmil 16:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone made a complete mess of the page with this edit, pretty much overwriting it with the article on Film and then cutting and pasting more things from the pages pointed to by the  template (the Film history, Film theory etc. pages). Would anyone object if I just revert it to this version, that's actually about film industry? - Bobet 17:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Film industry]] 

message: The "Cinema Collaboration of the week" is now six weeks old. ("The next winner will be selected on Saturday, January 28, 2006.")  Perhaps it should be removed if it's not going to be updated. --Jeremy Butler 19:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove 'Cinema Collaboration of the week'? 

message: On the article page it is stated: 
:"If you find, create, or contribute to a film article, please paste  onto the article's talk page and add a Wikilink to the page on Lists of films." (emphasis supplied).
However, no policy guidance is given on which list in the List of films one should list a film. I recently wrote the article on Vampire's Kiss and found this project today. I posted the notice on the talk page and then went to the lists and found that this movie would fit in multiple lists--1985 in film, List of films: S-Z, List of United States comedy films, List of comedy-drama films and List of films set in New York City (actually the most appropriate list is missing and maybe should be made: List of dark comedies).
Is it desirable to list a film in every category list it fits into, despite the duplication this creates? Is it recommended that only one list be chosen? Is listing in certain lists better for film ranking? Is there no policy on these matters; or is it thought not to matter? Some guidance would be helpful. A paragraph on policy might be placed either right after the instruction to "add a Wikilink to the page on Lists of films," or probably more appropriately, at the top of the Lists of films article. --Fuhghettaboutit 15:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Policy guidance on adding to Lists of films

message: This "article" was a joke? Such "articles" are speedy deleted in the de:Wikipedia. </br>
For example: The last new film article of me here: :de:Der Dummschwätzer. --AN 09:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The film subsubsubstubs 

message: I'm surprised this info isn't in the box, the DP being one of the biggest contributers to the final product. Certainly if we have a line for "music by" we can include the DP. yes/no? --24.131.209.132 07:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox DOES have an entry for cinematography AdamSmithee 08:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I fill in all spaces on the infobox whenever the information is available. But for a lot of the films I'm adding or planning to add, sadly the details aren't there, in English anyway. Wisekwai 05:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. One reason why many films don't have this info is that the field has been introduced in the infobox relatively recently, so older infoboxes do not have it. However, it is also true that some people do not consider this info significant :-( AdamSmithee 08:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox reform: include cinematographer/DP 

message: ===Lead Section===
Shouldn't a non-spoiler premise of the movie also be here? – Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A one sentence premise seems like a good idea AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Taglines are verbal hooks, often printed on movie posters, but also used in TV ads and previews.  Some movies have no tagline, some have several.  Most taglines are pretty generic, of little interest, and should not be included.  For more interesting ones, including them in the Trivia section make sense, but keep the number down.  If a tagline (or a set of taglines) was a significant part of the cultural infulence of the film, create a section for it and discuss the effects.  For example, none of the more that five taglines for Wes Craven's New Nightmare deserve mention.  On the other hand, discussing Jaws 2 without mentioning "Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water..." would be a glaring omission.
– Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Completely agreed. It's good that you made this point, as it seems to be highly controversial (at least to me) AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No other comments, I' adding a section to the style guide. - Isogolem 06:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I prefer short plot sections, with the essential, without all the little details AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Body

message: Shouldn't a non-spoiler premise of the movie also be here? – Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A one sentence premise seems like a good idea AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead Section

message: We need to address this in the 'article body'.  Describe when taglines should and should not be included.  There's discussion of this above.  I suggest the following text:
:Taglines are verbal hooks, often printed on movie posters, but also used in TV ads and previews.  Some movies have no tagline, some have several.  Most taglines are pretty generic, of little interest, and should not be included.  For more interesting ones, including them in the Trivia section make sense, but keep the number down.  If a tagline (or a set of taglines) was a significant part of the cultural infulence of the film, create a section for it and discuss the effects.  For example, none of the more that five taglines for Wes Craven's New Nightmare deserve mention.  On the other hand, discussing Jaws 2 without mentioning "Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water..." would be a glaring omission.
– Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agreed. It's good that you made this point, as it seems to be highly controversial (at least to me) AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No other comments, I' adding a section to the style guide. - Isogolem 06:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagline

message: This should be directly under the Lead section.  It gets the "review-like" aspects of out of the way.  I think most movie searches are be people looking for a movie they haven't seen and wanting to know "Was it any good?" or "How were the reviews?".  Putting this section earlier in the article satisfies those people, but will be useful for someone doing deeper research. – Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: I've seen several articles that retell the entire movie in this section in great detail.  I'm an offender here, though not the worst by far.  Some stronger guidance would help here.  Maybe spliting this into Synopsis and Analysis sub sections?  Specifically, by calling the section "Plot" and not having better guidance as to the consensus of what should and should not being included in this, you make it easier for people to miss the mark, and then argue about it.  – Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer short plot sections, with the essential, without all the little details AdamSmithee 22:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: It would be a good idea to standarize the layout of the cast and crew list.  Is there some template for this somewhere? – Isogolem 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast and Crew

message: There are two movies named Paradise, one with Phoebe Cates from 1982 (for which there is already an entry) and one from 1991 with Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith. How should I name the newer "Paradise (film)" without creating too much confusion? I am sure there is precedent for this, I just can't find it. H0n0r 09:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) for the relevant guidelines. The recommended way to distinguish these articles is to name them "Paradise (1982 film)" and "Paradise (1991 film)". --Muchness 10:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created the new article and a disambig page. The new artilce needs developing though. The JPS 19:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions? Paradise (1982) and Paradise (1991) 

message: I noticed at Schindler's List some commentary in the plot summary. I'm not sure how to deal with this as a policy/guideline. Should commentary be moved to a separate section? Certainly it needs to be sourced if it stays in the article. I believe, as far as the plot summary goes, the film is an implicit source and anything objective that can be determined from watching the film is okay to put in without a separate source. However statements such as "Göth is the focus of the film's depiction of Nazi sadism and inhumanity, not only taking pleasure in murder and torture, but considering it an integral part of his job, a matter of duty," are commentary on the intent of the devices used in the plot, and cannot be objectively deduced from the plot. How should situations like this be dealt with? Should a separate "commentary" section be created? My personal feeling is that Wikipedia is not the place for Cliff's Notes-like commentary on the meaning of every little bit of the film, however in certain obviously important cases (e.g. the girl in the red coat in Schindler's List) things should be spelled out. If you're curious what I consider commentary, see here (though some of these edits were to fix incorrect chronology). – flamurai (t) 19:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely with this now-almost-month-old comment.  Independent of this comment I've recently split commentary from plot summmaries a couple of times, in Minority Report and Vanilla Sky in particular.  I'm pretty sure there are lots of other places where such cleanup is required.  I tend to contribute without logging in, which prevents me from participating as a full-fledged member of a wikiproject, but if a regular community member cares to propose some conventions for cleaning up such articles I'd follow them.  For example, I've grown fond of m:Cite/Cite.php style references; perhaps the project should consider promoting a particular style of citing sources.  The community should also consider creating and promoting through example the use of film-specific templates to use instead of template:OriginalResearch, template:unsourced, and template:fact.  66.167.138.237 11:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up commentary in plot summaries 

message: Based on the cleanup I've been doing so far today I have the following prosals to add to/augment the current style guidelines:
*Section titles: Should be standardized to consice and descriptive terms (e.g. "Plot" instead of "Story", "The Movie", "Summary of Plot", "Synopsis"; "Production" instead of "The making of the movie", "Production facts"). There should be further discussion on these, but I think it is important that they are standardized and a list of common section titles be presently clearly on the Project page.
*Awards should be divided into wins and nominations (subsections). Only awards which are notable enough to have a wikipedia article (e.g. Oscars, SAG) should be included. 
*Quotes should be included only if there is encyclopedic content associated with them (e.g. "Here's looking at you, kid" was voted the most memorable line in a movie. In early scripts, blah blah blah"). Otherwise, they should be moved to wikiquote, which should be linked in the External links section only.
*Analysis and Themes should only be included if they can be sourced (e.g. to film reviews in reputable sources, either in print or from extremely notable websites like RottenTomatoes) as per WP:NOR. 
*Infobox information should not be repeated wholesale in the article unless it is used to give context to significant new information. For example, "Ang Lee directed this film" is repetitive with the infobox, but "Ang Lee agreed to direct this film only when they agreed to buy him a house" is not repetitive.
Sorry, if these are repetitive with the current guidelines, but these are problems that I see all to often. Would anyone object to me augmenting the guidlines? savidan(talk) (e@) 22:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposals 

message: Are there any rules or guidelines as to posting box office totals or total gross figures? Somebody did that for She's the Man today. It looks weird to me, but on the other hand there is no real entry on the normal infobox for this type of information. Thanks. --Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK! 03:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film grossing/box office totals 

message: What happened to that WikiProject? It's red-linked. --Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK! 03:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Descendant WikiProject: actors and actresses

message: There is inadequate information on the silent film at present. I have added mention of the original scores composed by William Axt and David Mendoza, as this information was missing from the original entry. Furthermore, someone should edit an entry that Thames Television commissioned a new score from Carl Davis when the original Axt and Mendoza scores were available for hire. I can attest to this as I sighted the manuscripts at the Library of Congress in 1991. The Carl Davis score, in my personal opinion, does not lend itself to the filmed images.
Jeremy Sefton-Parke
kinopanorama@msn.com--58.166.242.14 04:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben-Hur 

message: I assumed that the disfigured model's suicide represents vanity, not pride, as presented in the article.
Unless I mis-counted, this aricle only lists six of the Deadly Sins, and not Se7en. Where's vanity?
: Erm, you miscounted.  See seven deadly sins.  Vanity is a kind of pride.   - Isogolem 06:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's Vanity? 

message: Following a discussion on the talkpage of Indian cinema project where we found new editors adding lot of plot details, we came up with a template  which is visible only in the edit mode (and only if subst'ed) - it appeals to people to stop adding all the details and not give away the twists in the storyline and the ending. The template may find some use in this project as well - hence this heads-up. --Gurubrahma 11:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plotnote 

message: hi, just to inform you that the article Hong Kong action cinema is about to be pushed for featured article status. Please feel free to comment at the current peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Hong Kong action cinema/archive1 on anything that you feel could prevent it from becoming featured, or join in editing. thx Zzzzz 20:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hong Kong action cinema

message: Ok i finished editing this page, can i remove it from the list???
--Killswitch Engage 22:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wild 

message: For the plots of newly released films, should we wait about a month or something before putting a complete plot summary up?- JustPhil 12:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I know little about fair use rules. I saw an article on a DVD that consisted of the text from the back of the DVD package. I didn't think it was a very good article, but more importantly, is this allowed? Does it fall under fair use guidelines?
Freekee 02:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that this would be a copyright infringement and I can't imagine any way we could argue fair use.  Fair use should only be used if there is no alternative or if the quoted text is itself the subject of discussion, and even then selected quotes would be limit acceptable.  What you describe sounds like a lazy cut and paste.  To put it simply we should be able to rewrite the text into our own words to convey a similar meaning rather than just steal someone else's copyrighted work.  Because we can do this, I think we must do this.  Rossrs 13:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use 

message: I'm finding lots of film orgs stubs (institutes, festivals, archives, etc.) and film companies (distributors, special effects, etc.) that don't really fit anywhere and have been filed under . So far I've been tucking them into , but it's starting to bother some folks. Shall I propose  (to go under ), or perhaps  (to go under )? Or both? Cheers, Her Pegship 03:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like there are 84 stubs that could go into either  or the proposed , and about 106 that could go into  as described above. Any ideas? Her Pegship 15:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another stub proposal 

message: What about a slightly modified type of infobox specifically for animated films?  The current film infobox does not take the animator into account, who is often the most important person in animated films, especially in short films.  It could also have a category for the animation technique used (puppet, clay, cgi, cut-outs, shadow, sand, cell, pinscreen, and so on).  This infobox could be especially usefull for creating a cataloque of all short animated films (the ones that appear in film festivals).  I got the idea from the Russian Wikipedia, which already has an infobox like this (here's an example: ).  Anyway, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this.  It might be nice to start an "animated film" project on wikipedia, but I'm not sure how to go about doing this.  Any tips? Esn 23:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I sure like the idea of a custom infobox. Her Pegship 22:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Animated Films/Animation

message: User:81.99.182.121 is claiming to be from a studio and posting false plot information for Saw III. He has NO SOURCES to back up his claims. Even if this is true, this falls under the NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH policy.--CyberGhostface 21:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Saw III]] Trouble 

message: Casablanca, one of the few film featured articles is excellently written, but lacks sufficient in-line citations (it has only 6). If anyone at this Wikiproject has the wherewithall to add appropriate citations to the article please let me know (preferably on my talk page) soon, so I don't have to take the article to WP:FARC. I would much prefer that the article be improved behind the scenes. savidan(talk) (e@) 00:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP: [[Casablanca (film)|Casablanca]]! 

message: Articles are popping up with an imdb rating in the info box. Is this really a good addition? I think it is a problem since the IMDB ratings can fluctuate so regularly and you will never have a true reflection of how many votes have been made unless it is kept updated almost hourly. --Cammoore 05:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree.  The information goes out of date very quickly.   Furthermore the IMDB rating itself is probably subject to copyright - I'd be surprised if it wasn't - and we could never claim "fair use" for it.   Rossrs 06:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDB ratings 

message: With the Haneke being quote attributable to others, including Errol Morris, its inclusion is as pointless as the Godard quote is pretentious.  Consider replacing them with a quote that might prove more inspiring to the average contributor. Jonathan F 01:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, Jonathan, I think you should definitely consider replacing them.  When you've had a chance to consider it, if you feel like being polite, you can reply here with a list possible replacement quotes and ask for comments.  For a more bold method, you could just replace the current quotes with new ones and see how people respond to your choice(s). In your considerations, please include, Davis (Steve Martin) from Grand Canyon: "That's part of your problem: you haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered in the movies."  Thanks! - Isogolem 05:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a rather thorough look through the Wikiquotes on film, and couldn't find one that seemed up for the task.  This Steve Martin quote is starting to look really good! Jonathan F 06:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About those quotes again...

message: Does anyone know of a Metacritic-like site that will either a) only collect film reviews from or b) can seperate specific movie reviews by country?  (Like the UK).  There is a strong suggestion that the film reviews for V for Vendetta (film), were much more negative in the UK than in the US.  I suppose another question would be, would making such a statement based on findings from Metacritic, etc... be considered original research?  --P-Chan 19:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a second question...  who are the big film reviewers in the UK???  In American that would definetly be Roger Ebert.--P-Chan 02:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country Specific Reviews 

message: User:Sasanjan has created :Category:Iranian actresses and been populating it out of Iranin actors.  We haven't split up these categories by sex... should we start?  I'd say no but if we do this for one group we need to do it for all... so this would be a big policy decision. gren グレン 11:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I knew that, but don't forget, this is English Wikipedia, some Iranians are male and some of them are female, this our LANGUAGE which's classify both as same but in English it's different, in German it's different too, in German we have Musculin, Femenine, Neutrom, every language have its own rules. Another issue is Iranian users who might not understand such classifications, it's not a real problem because they will search their favourite artist anyway. And this is not a big policy!, I think, because for example there's no need to classify engineers or scientists or film director etc. by genders in English.Sasanjan 17:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Can you sign your posts using ~~~~).  Well, it would change French actors, German actors, etc.  and in English it's ambiguous and you can typically refer to actresses under the category of actors.  So, English is ambiguous and we can user either properly... I think it was never split before because of concious decision... I may be wrong.  I have put it up for CfR here (Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Iranian_actresses_to_Category:Iranian_actors) so everyone can vote as they wish. gren グレン 23:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  No, in English there's no ambiguous on this issue, a female can become actress and a male can become actor, just this.Sasanjan 18:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actors / Actresses 

message: Check out , for companies which don't make films but provide services to the film industry (special effects, talent agencies, licensing, etc.) and , for film archives, institutes, and other film organizations. Cheers, Her Pegship 21:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub types 

message: Two new tasks await your superbly honed editing skills:
*Film/book articles to be split NEW - Articles containing entries on both a film and a book, which should be split into separate articles
*Film/book stub articles to be split NEW - Stub articles containing entries on both a film and a book, which should be split into separate articles
Pitch in any time. Thanks! Her Pegship 20:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating film and book articles 

message: Here's an idea - Why not add to most films a soundtrack section, describing a list of available soundtracks' titles/tracks/performers. I think this is as relevant to films as the cast, and besides, it can later be crossed linked with the performers, to get a list of their works used in the movie industry.
Manos 06:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding a soundtrack section

message: If anybody is interested in movie composers, I just made a stub for David Nessim Lawrence (American Pie, etc).  I'm not at all a movie buff, but I was working on David Lawrence (disambiguation) for an unrelated reason and thought I would try to kick-start one of the entries that didn't even have a stub.
I had a hard time finding any relevant online reference material other than the filmography list at IMDB, so if anyone has access to other resources, that might be best. -- JVinocur 18:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Nessim Lawrence (composer) 

message: I think that the Rottentomato average would be a welcome addition to the Film Infobox, since it does not go out of date like the IMDb rating, and it is the average opinion of Professionsals. .... 03:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rottentomatoes in the Infobox 

message: I'm trying to use the Gallery template on films to show an accesible and useful cast display...examples can be seen Spartacus (film), The Empire Strikes Back, and Richard III (1955 film).... 03:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...New thing for CAST 

message: I have included Gervaise, the 1956 film by René Clément, which was the only BAFTA Award for Best Film which was a redlink. I would like to ask for your support and contributions to this candidate in the WP:COTW.--Francisco Valverde 07:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gervaise at the Collaboration of the Week 

message: See Wikipedia:Reward_board#Quarterly_Review_of_Film_and_Video. — Matt Crypto 19:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notice: Quarterly Review of Film and Video bounty

message: Does anyone know how to start a new talk page and put this one in an archive?  We already have one archived talk page, but I'm not sure how exactly to go about it myself. Estrose 05:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive