Talk:Hipster

message: ĤI'm not an expert on the subject, but I've seen many linguistic sources with various explanations of where the therm "hip" originated.
example:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2110811
::i dont think a journalist is higher then most linguists opinions...i think slate is one of the most biased places to find a reference --Juju 15:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: origin of 'hip'

message: How exactly is Beth Orton a notable contemporary hipster? Acb 12:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  While the list is subjective, it's hard for me to see the case for Beth Orton as a hipster, or someone of particular interest to hipsters. I'd say the same of Ani DiFranco, as well.  I like them both, but I don't see them as hipster icons.  --Misterwindupbird 03:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beth Orton? 

message: I reworked the opening paragraph to make it more descriptive of what follows, and less concerned with the etymology of the word "hip".  I'm not completely happy with it, so if anyone wants to take another shot at it, I'd encourage you to do so. --Misterwindupbird 03:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work.  I went ahead and gave the new opening paragraph a once-over; cleared out some of those dangling pronouns.  Getting better, no? GTBacchus 06:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Getting better, yes.  Thanks for the cleanup. --Misterwindupbird 07:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  reworked opening 

message: The list of "famous hipsters" for the contemporary hipster section seems to be getting pretty long, and populated with hipsters of dubious fame and/or "hipster cred".  I've gone and tried to explain why some of the people should be on the list, but some I don't know much about, haven't heard of, haven't heard of in a particularly hipsterish context, or are simply getting redundant (does every indie singer-songwriter and alternative comics artist of the past decade have to be listed?).  I'd suggest deleting the following, for starters, and there are certainly others I wouldn't try too hard to defend:
* Zach Braff (not a fucking hipster)
* Lukas Haas
* Ross Harris
* Pagan Kennedy
* Chuck Klosterman
* Jim Mahfood
* Stuart Murdoch
* Conor Oberst
* Stephanie Pakrul
* Pauley Perrette
* Paul Pope
Also, a lot of the people on the list seem to be there not because they are famous for being hipsters, but because hipsters like their work.  Maybe a new section for hipster movies/comics/music/books is in order? --Misterwindupbird 06:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and categorized both lists of famous hipsters.  So many of the 50's group were famous for multiple reasons that I couldn't get many categories for them.  Any changes are welcome of course, maybe it'll be easier to keep the lists balanced now. GTBacchus 21:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I guess the best thing would be to separate the latter-day hipsters into categories to reflect that distinction?  In other words, list famous hipsters, and then separately list artists and works that influenced hipster culture from the outside. GTBacchus 23:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  famous late-period hipster bloat 

message: Maybe ten years ago this would have been accurate, but most of Wicker is now about as hipster as um...Schaumburg. The bohos have long since been booted out by rising rents and yuppies with SUVs and pedigreed dogs. I updated the entry to reflect current realities. (Soon to be outdated as well! The condo-building boom continues...)
--bobo 05:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wicker Park, Chicago: Hipster Haven??

message: I would contend that Badly Drawn Boy is not a quintessential hipster. He may wear thrift-shop clothing and a funny hat, but his music tends to be more prematurely-middle-aged domestic sentimentalism than anything with any sort of hipster sensibility. If he's on the list, then, by rights, Chris Martin should be there too. Acb 11:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that I quite a agree with your assessment of his music, but I do agree he's not a quintessential hipster and can be removed.  Which I've done. --Misterwindupbird 17:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badly Drawn Boy? 

message: Hipster districts
Due to financial circumstances hipsters have often been forced to live in formerly unfashionable, often blighted neighborhoods in large cities around the world; after wealthier middle-aged people (many of whom are former hipsters themselves) move into these areas and begin to gentrify them, hipsters often move on.
Noted hipster districts in the United States include:
* The Mid-Town and Cass Corridor areas in Detroit, in addition to Hamtramck and Ferndale, suburbs of Detroit
* Echo Park, Silver Lake, and Los Feliz in Los Angeles
* The French Quarter and The Marigny in New Orleans
* Williamsburg, Red Hook, Lower East Side, and East Village in New York
* Thayer Street in Providence
* Virginia-Highlands and Little Five Points in Atlanta
* Mount Pleasant, Washington, D.C.
* Athens, Georgia
* Midtown in Memphis
* The Station North Arts District as well as sections of Bolton Hill, Hampden, Charles Village, and Fells Point in Baltimore
* Davis Square in Somerville, Central Square in Cambridge, Massachusetts,  Jamaica Plain Boston
* East Nashville in Nashville
* Houston Heights and Montrose in Houston
* Logan Square, Bucktown, Ukrainian Village, East Pilsen, parts of Humboldt Park and the very few remaining ungentrified blocks of Wicker Park in Chicago
* Baxter Avenue in Louisville
* Mount Pleasant, U Street Corridor, Le Droit Park, and Adams Morgan, in Washington, DC
* Old City and Northern Liberties in Philadelphia
* Capitol Hill in Seattle
*  North, NE, and SE Portland in Portland, Oregon
* Austin, Texas
* South Side in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
* the Mission District and the Lower Haight neighborhoods of San Francisco
* North Oakland, California
* the Nob Hill district of Albuquerque, NM
* Lark Street/Center Square Neighborhood in Albany, NY
* Downtown Troy, NY
* Coventry Village, Ohio in Cleveland, OH
In the UK, the popular hipster places of dwelling include Hoxton in the Old East End of London who became the legendary Shoreditch Twats, satirised by Chris Morris in Nathan Barley, as well as the adjacent Bethnal Green.  'Yuppification' has pushed many hipsters from those areas into Stoke Newington and Kingsland to the north, and Hackney and Dalston to the east.  New Cross, around the Goldsmiths College area (also in London) is popular with hipsters, especially the local art-punk scene.  Brixton and Camberwell in South London are also increasingly popular.  In Glasgow in Scotland, noted for its avant garde art and music scene, hipsters have been largely priced out of their traditional enclave of the Byres Road area in the West End of Glasgow to the nearby Kelvinbridge, as well as Shawlands in the south of the city, Dennistoun in the east end and the area around King Street in the city centre.  Other British hipster areas include Brighton on the south coast, Chorlton and Didsbury in Manchester and the small town of Hebden Bridge in Yorkshire.
Canadian hipsters tend to avoid the smaller cities and suburbs and congregate in older, core areas of the major cities: The Plateau and Mile End in Montreal; the Parkdale (Queen West), and College Street neighbourhoods in Toronto; and the Strathcona, mid-Main, and Commercial Drive neighbourhoods in Vancouver.  Other Canadian hipster districts include Mission, Kensington and Inglewood in Calgary; and Chinguacousy Park in Brampton.
Noted hipster districts in Australia include Fitzroy/Fitzroy North and Brunswick in Melbourne, Newtown and Darlinghurst in Sydney, O'Conner in Canberra and Fortitude Valley in Brisbane.  The term "coolsie" is sometimes used to refer to the hipster subculture in Australia, especially in Melbourne, sometimes considered the epicenter of hipster Australia.
In Germany, they tend to swing in Prenzlauer Berg, a district of Berlin, and the Schanzenviertel and St. Pauli, both districts of Hamburg. In Madrid, Spain they gravitate, among other areas, in a place called "Mercado de Fuencarral", and the area known as "Malasaña" and "Lavapies" (in this area the famous "La Movida" from the 80´s started), in Barcelona they gather among other areas as "Raval", "Barceloneta", "El Distrito del Born", Gracia, and specially you can see hipsters during the "Sonar Festival". In Paris they congregate in the Bastille district. In Rome they can be found in the Testaccio neighborhood, and in Milan they favor the Navigli area. In Greece, the Exarhia area of Athens is a hipster favorite. They can also be found in other French, Italian, and Greek cities.  In the Czech Republic, the hipster district is Zizkov of Prague.
The most famous district for Japanese hipsters is Shibuya, Tokyo.  Vancouver and New York are particularly noted as destinations for Japanese hipsters visiting or living in North America.
:::This section certainly did get out of control, but I hope to see it restored in an improved form because I think it is vital to the article and there is certainly enough valid research out there to support it. See the recent academic title "Neo-Bohemia" by Richard Lloyd for one scholarly treatment of the topic. I'll get to work when I can.~Sylvain 12/9/05
::::Do you actually get "hipsters" in the UK? I've only ever heard of it used to describe Americans (by Americans). Indie kids are different, and I note that the article on Nathan Barley doesn't mention the word. Secretlondon 02:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is original research, but in my experience, "Indie kids" started being called "hipsters" sometime in the mid-to-late '90s.  I never thought of them as different creatures. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed section 

message: For pictures of hipsters, see The Cobrasnake's Party Photos section. --Ribble 21:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of Hipsters

message: Does the Hipster PDA have anything to do with this?
I dont think so, basically the Hipster PDA adresses to be a organizational form of time planning, nothing to do with being "hipster"--Croncho 19:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hipster PDA 

message: how about getting rid of hipster doofus, and moving the content here?  --Binkymagnus 15:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derisive use of "hipster" 

message: Okay.  On the current page, the "modern hipster" section is total POV thinly disguised via disingenuous use of "some say that blah-blah-blah . . ."  Someone's a happy stereotyper!
Yeah, from the section: "Although they like to think of themselves as creative types, more often than not, they are simply culture miners, Johnny-come-latelys, and other Scenster types, who not so much create, but borrow and bastardize." I mean, come on.RSimione 23:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  total POV 

message: Since this article seems to be describing two different subcultures that just happen to have the same name, perhaps it should be split? —Ashley Y 08:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... It's not a bad idea, perhaps. -GTBacchus(talk) 15:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I third that, but don't have the wiki skills to do anything about it. -Dwinetsk 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

message: Wtf?  Did I miss something.  I have spent a lot of time with hipsters.  I went to Oberlin College (ranked #1 in the Hipster Handbook) and moved to Brooklyn afterward.  I have never seen a hipster wearing a viking helmet around, though I think it's a good idea.  I think it would be an interesting progression from the whole pirate thing.
Also, it says, "under-developed neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Brooklyn."  Have any of the authors ever been to Williamsburg without glasses of denial on?  If that's not developed, I don't know what is?
-Dwinetsk 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Viking helmets?

message: Both the articles Hipster (1940s subculture) and Hipster (contemporary subculture) have been replaced with near-identical takes on the subject by Jujucabana. (I added a quick explanation as the first sentence of the 1940s one.) While this new version is moderately well-sourced, it is both somewhat contradictory and far from NPOV, alleging that the term is both purely "derogatory" and a demographic invented by such corporations as Camel cigarrettes (never mind that emographic terms tend not to be derogatory). However, the text that was replaced wasn't necessarily up to Wikipedia standards either; after I reverted both, Jujucabana simply did it again, and I realized that there was a point, if less-than-perfectly-made, to doing so. What should really happen are the following, in no particular order:
*Both articles should be brought to the attention of an expert.
*Both articles should be put under the wing of at least one appropriate WikiProject.
*Both articles should be rewritten into either a stub- or start-class form, using whatever material can be salvaged from past versions. They should each have an introduction somewhere along the lines of "The word hipster, in the context of [the 1940s in the United States/the United States today] refers/red to..." and should mention the other usage within the first two sentences in a way that establishes both the distinction and the overlap of these groups. The contemprary one should perhaps also mention the wide plethora of possible uses (actual subculture, derogatory, and demographic).
Any thoughts or suggestions are extremely welcome. \sim Lenoxus " * " 15:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right.  I wrote the article in an hour, and clearly it needs someone more dedicated to reading the liteature surrounding the time.  I love Wikipidia because its factual and ignores biases, because ppl always check it.  I want others to re-edit, and recreate it, because thats the point of wiki.  --Juju 15:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: also i think my main problem with the one prior to my revision...was it was acting like the word 'hipster' was a tribe of individuals, which it is not.  it is clearly a label.  people do not commonly refer to themselves as hipster, rather it is a stereotype applied to ppl. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jujucabana (talk • contribs) 15:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding is definitely appreciated, and "people do not commonly refer to themselves as hipster" is an excellent point; now I get to munch on that one for a bit… — \sim Lenoxus " * " 05:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I most certainly agree this needs a rewrite of the most dramatic order. This current article is so full of fluff and lack of anything remotely resembling information. IMHO, the first thing to be done would be vast revisions to the history/orgins section. African etymology would have a place in the Hipster (1940s subculture), but seems to slow down the content even further. I also believe that this should be a wikiproject. FerventDove 16:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i think another problem with the page is that ppl just have too many long quotes, someone should read it through and rewrite it.  alot of the quotes are about 'hipsters' and are from credible authors rather then urban dictionary, but i dont think a paragraph quote, or actually any quote should really be on the page.  i know i put a few quotes, actually alot, so i am also part of the problem.  but i think its hard because so many people disagree with the credible authors and sources; and would be much happier if we just rewrote what urban dictionary has posted on their website.--Juju 22:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been keeping an eye on the contemporary article, which is even more of a mess than the 40s one. imho, I think that the split shouldn't be 1940s/contemporary, as the term was used in the decades in between as well. I'd rather have one long article doing the history, doing the etymology, and another SHORT article doing the contemporary denotation. The current contemporary article is a disaster in part because people want to turn it into a huge list of 1) famous hipsters 2) hipster icons and 3) hipster hangouts. It's really bad. I think the contemp. article should really just be one well-sourced paragraph that can link to other pages like indie or whatever. Nick 03:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: i still think the quotes shouldn't be that long, you should paraphrase it.  and also someone should paraphrase my quotes.  i think kangaru99 is onto the right idea.  i think the page should obviously be combined, he brought up some good points, that the word hipster has been used for many times in-between contemporary and 1940s.  also i should be working on my final, since it is nearly 1Am.  --Juju 04:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed rewrites of each subculture 

message: Can we just have the general "hipster" redirect to Hipster (contemporary subculture) already?
This page can be made to "Hipster (disambiguation)" 
Most people who are searching for hipster are looking for the current subculture. Thoughts?
-130.130.37.84 (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect