Talk:Juan Manuel Fangio

message: JMF has (still) the best win% in F1 history. Can somebody confirm he was called "The Maestro"? And add it at List of athletes by nickname?  Trekphiler 11:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Argentins actually say "El maestro, el mejor", which loosely translates into The Teacher, the best one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skylab72 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Maestro

message: For the attn of User:Ernham; rgding your reverts
Claims of quoted out of context is incorrect. Quote true to intention as indicated by BBC article's title. I've just changed the sentencing of Michael Schumacher overcoming the record. It was required to rephrase, because in this article, the subject is Fangio and not Schumacher. The information should be on Fangio, and correct. Whether Michael schumacher has seven records or nine, has to be present in Michael Schumacher's article. Here what matters is that one shows it was a 45 year (long standing) record, and the person who surpassed it. Since the quote was made after beating the record, and because it was about Fangio, becomes relevant to the article and the sentence.
As with the "considered greatest by many", Fangio is somebody who has a distinction of regarded so, by his peers and followers(something michael was doing). But still we dont say "considered greatest" as it says more that it might. For instance you seem not to share that. Many people do, and that is evident from Fangio's profile on the official site. So we say "considered greatest by many". POV is wrong so is dilution. Please check the profiles of other notable drivers - Senna or Schumacher in the same official site Champions' Profile. That would speak about their achievements, but you dont see a mention of greatest in the opening intro.. 
Thats the difference.. If say, I am a Senna fan, i might feel like going and editing in Senna is greatest.. But that defeats the whole purpose. And that is what you seem to be doing with Schumacher.. And when you are editing with such an intention, you are wasting your own and others time. It is evident that you dont care about the article you edit as much as your opinion. Shown from this edit; Besides manipulating the quotes, you've taken off Mercedes Benz and Maserati... and you probably noticed only now; So much for the concern of the article. You have the right of an opinion, but please dont be here just to impose that, esp when there are no grounds and you are in violation of even the basic guidelines. Just a reminder because honestly, one doesnt enjoy wasting time repeatedly with changing rash edits. Having to say coz, had tried discussing matter very politely with you previously to no avail.
--Su30 15:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the saying goes, "by their fruits you shall know them". If Fangio is the greatest, show us that cornucopia of fruit he bears, and let people make their own decision. If you put direct quotes in your wiki, particularly when those quotes come from living persons, you better make sure that it is in context and conveys the whole meaning that was stated. if i just cut up peoples quotes, I could provide a page bigger than the entirety of Fangio's wiki of modern race drivers/experts/commentators all proclaiming Schumacher as "the greatest". Ernham 15:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The argument on the quotes being misleading is not valid(see above). You may not have liked him say that, i can see from your attempts. But can it be taken off on that grounds alone? It can be discussed if you have a problem on the "considered greatest by many", coz there is some sense. But to take off/modifying the quotes has no grounds whatsoever.--Su30 15:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  btw, I didn't mean to clip out part of the four teams. no, i was actually going to change that to what someone had put in there before that was complimentary to Fangio, the statement about how he won with 4 different teams. But i got caught up elsewhere last night and forgot about it. in any event, you continue to take Schuamcher's quote out of context. He stated that as a RACING PERSONALITY *he* considers fangio greater than  he sees himself, and that basically you can't compare things across eras like that. I've stated my argument on this like 5 times now and no one has bothered coming up with a valid counter-argument outside of he "well he said these words".Ernham 15:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've pointed that out just to show your concern about the article. I am not very happy to criticise, but give it a thought. I see no point in an edit war. Just consider one thing. Most sports in any period has heroes, and fans for each of them and there is so much emotional content in the support and it is not out of the ordinary that a fan would want to see their hero on the ultimate summit; yeah yeah.. he/she would have lot of reasons to say that.. But when that is carried out to an encyclopedia, there is trouble. Dead sportsmen with dead fans would go out of the window, however good they were.. And each era, would redefine the summit. Fangio's best years were done before he arrived in europe, the 5 titles dont measure the driver completely. Besides knowledge of the equipment, doesnt know any other driver who peers unanimously talk with reverence. Not to pull down what recent drivers like Schumacher or Senna have done. Will be back on this one--Su30 16:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look, I'm not going to rag on Fangio too much, because he's probably the nicest guy ever to race in F-1; however, you simply cannot call him the greatest when it comes to driving. The reality is, that in Fangio's Era the sport was dominated by ultra-rich overweight men. It was more a country club than it was a competition. I wrote that it was "feat" that fangio won with 4 different  teams, but in reality it wasn't really a feat because Fangio was well-known for absolutely having to have the best car. He ALWAYS went to the team that had the best car, hence his "feat", both of winning 5 WDC and of winning with 4 different teams.(as a side note, Senna did the exact same thing) I think I've been more than flattering to Fangio in light of reality.Ernham 16:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't even need to answer with words: http://members.atlasf1.com/williams/collisions.jpg Ernham 23:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently you don't need to answer it at all, you just have to post some irrelevant stats. Bretonbanquet 23:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: and meaningless as well - what do those stats actually mean? Bretonbanquet 23:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ahh, ok. To the unbiased observer: at least you can see what kind of ridiculousness I have to put up with around here.Ernham 23:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? Don't pretend that table of stats is self-explanatory, because it isn't. No wonder people have stopped arguing with you, it's like talking to a pile of bricks. Bretonbanquet 23:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to point out, for the sake of sanity, that you cannot compare what Fangio achieved with what Schumacher achieved statistically. There were less races, different rules and different machinery. Both drivers were absolutely the best throughout their careers in F1 and both can be "considered the greatest" depending on your point of view so can the Schumacher worshipper please get down off his high horse!86.1.38.43 21:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro - Schumacher comments and Considered Greatest 

message: Fangio's nephew also was a race car driver -- Juan Manuel Fangio II I am unsure about placing a "see also" or "for this driver, see this article" marker on the top, but I have acted boldly and done so. I would say that the link is up for discussion, though. -- Guroadrunner 10:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Juan Manuel Fangio II]] 

message: Considering Fangio's record in domestic racing prior to going to Europe, this article could probably do with more than a single sentence on the matter. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-F1 Career

message: Can anyone clarify the sentence "In 1992, Fangio met the three-time world champion, Ayrton Senna, who had genuinely felt the encounter had reflected the mutual affection for both drivers." in the Later life and death section. Without access to the source it's not clear who's saying what about whom or even what it is they're saying. Mighty Antar (talk) 23:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting Senna 

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message: This list seems to leave off at least some of his lower place finishes, at least in the later Fifties. Any comments before I look into updating the record? Proscriptus (talk) 18:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Prix Race record 

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message: Shared drives
1950 Italian Grand Prix, 1951 French Grand Prix, 1953 Belgian Grand Prix, 1953 Swiss Grand Prix, 1956 Argentine Grand Prix, 1956 Monaco Grand Prix and 1956 Italian Grand Prix. That is 7 shared drives. 
He has started 51 races and has entered 53 races. His 2 non starts are the 1952 Swiss Grand Prix where his car did not arrive and the Indy 500 where he did not qualify. Mobile mundo (talk) 00:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shared drives and entries 

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