Talk:Guns N' Roses/Archive 2

message: http://idolator.com/tunes/mp3/leak-of-the-year-guns-n-roses-democracy-has-finally-arrived-238270.php
I became aware of this site wich has a song called Better. It seems to be from the Chinese Democracy album. Hrundi Bakshi 01:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Song leak?

message: Why is 'Live ?!*@ Like A Suicide' in the albums list when it was quite clearly an EP? 'Lies' is also called an EP in the album list. Surely a new section for EPs would be appropriate? Thinking about it I own a 'civil war EP', there are probably quite a few GNR EPs out there for listing.
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I agree. According to Wikipedia, "Usually, an album has eight or more tracks (anywhere between 25–80 minutes), a single has one to three (5–15 minutes), and an EP four to seven (or around 15–25 minutes)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_play)
So GN'R Lies is definitely an album, not an EP.
194.126.209.1 10:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography Question

message: Pittman is the keyboards and effects man on the band. This position was previously held in hte band by Teddy "Zig Zag" Andreadis, but he was not considered an official member, even though he played in the Use Your Illusion Tour and appeared in the band's videos. A couple of websites say that Pittman is an official member, however since 2001, no official word from the band or it's management regarding Pittman has been released. Therefore, until Rose or his management realease this information, Chris Pittman cannot be considered an official member. <<Coburn_Pharr>> 18:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Teddy was also introduced by Axl at shows. The key diffrence is that Teddy was only a touring member, he did not work with the band on any of their albums, whereas it's almost certian that Chris has worked on Chinese Democracy.  Although prehaps the amendment should wait until the album comes out to confirm this. Danikat 15:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Pittman

message: There appears to be consensus above that Guns n' Roses is the correct way to write the band's name.  Why was this moved to have a capital N? Tuf-Kat 18:47, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
:   , etc. —siroχo
Er... where did you get an idea of consensus on lowercase n'? On all Guns N' Roses albums it is spelled with capital N'
194.126.209.1 10:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Adding an apostrophe to an acronym or appreviation kind of kills the whole point of having one in the first place. Please quit adding the apostrophe to "GNR". I am aware that on GNR Lies it is printed as "GN'R" but this is the only place that it is referred to as such, and on the official website it does not even have GNR, it has G&R. I think it's better to keep "GNR" as it usually printed and said than use the apostrophe.
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I think it is up to the band to decide what is the correct spelling of their name including its abbreviation. Whenever Guns N' Roses use abbreviation GN'R there's always an apostrophe.
194.126.209.1 14:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Abbreviation

message: guys! axl says he's got a rock band! what axl says goes. he says it in an interview in an exclusive 1987 mtv only (pre-LIES) acoustic concert. i can upload the mpeg as proof, but i don't want to support piracy or illegal files or anything of that nature. if it comes down to it i will upload it but just keep it as rock or heavy rock. keep in mind, he claimed to be a rock band after the interviewer specifically asked him what he thinks of being called a metal band. that settles it. enough...end the argument. the majority believe it is a rock band anyway, and the majority goes here. just because two clueless users think it's metal does not mean it should be labeled as such.
--Elysianfields 23:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: what axl says goes!

message: The "Rise to fame" section says Appetite For Destruction sold 20 million copies, but the "Sales" section mentions only 15 million....
:I updated a while back, forgot to mention it hear, so doing it now! :D --aditya mukherjee 12:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appetite sales 

message: It´s said that Steven Adler left "short time after the release" of Lies. I´m not an expert on the issue, but this fact seems strange to me. I suppose that he left at least 1 - 2 years after the release of that album. Isn´t it right that he played drums on "Civil War" which came out seperately on a tribute album (or something) in 90  - 91?
Another point:
'Adler had been replaced by the hard-hitting (but technically inferior) Matt Sorum,'
Shouldn't that be 'technicall superior'? I'm a guitaist myself, so I can't claim to be an expert in the field, but wasn't Matt for more technically gifted? I recall reading a guitar magazine article interviewing slash where he was quoted as saying that Stephen's playing is all over the place on Appetite. Somebody get a sober drummer to verify this...
**Adler was fired on August 1990, part of "Use Your illusion" was already recorded. And anyone who says that Matt Sorum is inferior to Adler, drumwise, doesn't know anything about music. It is simply obvious that Matt is a much better drummer.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 18:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven Adler 

message: Those pesky mexicans E- terrorists have vandalised the article again
they keep changin the article to matt smith loves penis, i think we should give into there demands and give them there own page.
I added the anon user:172.201.64.206 to the list on WP:VIP, I am not an admin but will try to keep an eye open just in case. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 22:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Coburn, If this happens again, just go to WP:VIP and admins will jump to your help. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone deleted the entire article and replaced it with the line "Matt Smith loves penis," so I just cut-and-pasted it back to the way it was. It was apparently vandalized by 216.204.132.3, if I'm not mistaken. --KittyCollier 18:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandal 

message: Please stop the edit war, everybody (that includes me). The article should either stay like it is now hard rock or be protected. 
If we can't get a consensus here, I will ask an admin to protect the page until we can resolve this issue.
Let me start. I propose we change it to Rock and Roll since it's a more generic classification and it is what Axl said they are.
--Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I also like hard rock better, but we need to try and compromise with the users who adamantly disagree with us. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:51, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe they do notice and don't agree. You seem to be the lone ranger. I recommend submitting to the majority's decision. And please, sign your posts and avoid words like "crap", they are hardly necessary. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Classification 

message: currently, hollywood rose redirects to guns n' roses, but personally i think there should be a separate article on hollywood rose. Gringo300 04:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, now hollywood rose has it's own article. Gringo300 02:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: hollywood rose

message: I personally believe the quote about "Mr Brownstone" is unnecessary. We can say the same things without the need to use epithets and curse. Wikipedia is not supposed to be censored, but if we can convey a message and explain the situation without the need to use the "f-word" and "g-d" then it's our obligation to do it.
Please post your comments here and let's make a decision.
Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's two of us. Let's see what the rest has to say for a couple of days and then we'll copyedit the article accordingly. Sebastian Kessel Talk 00:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done, hopefully it'll stay that way. Sebastian Kessel Talk 22:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: Since there won't be such a compilation titled above, should I fix the albums that links to that album page? --Snkcube 06:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just finished the edits. --Snkcube 22:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome to the Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N' Roses 

message: I wonder if the tone of the article is a bit hyberbolic. There is no way to test such statements as a "defiant" release, or that a band is "one of the best" or what have you. There are a lot of adjectives that don't add a lot towards making this into an encyclopaedia article- "notorious" and Someone did say "most dangerous band in the world," but without attribution, this is straight-away opinion that doesn't belong in wikipedia.
The statement "the band shared the stage with famous groups" is silly. Of course they were famous. "The famous band shared the stage with other famous groups?" Well, that's why they are on stage.
I did some editing. My advice is to look carefully at adjective use and stick to the facts.
--Defenestrate 17:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about tone and adjective use 

message: There used to be a whole section on the former members' new bands, including Velvet Revolver, which seems to have been deleted in this edit, and never reinstated. I've added a line about VR, but there's probably more info from the missing section that ought to be re-added too. — sjorford (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-added it (with some modifications) to the section "Breakup". GentlemanGhost 23:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it got deleted again, and I've re-added it again. It is definitely pertinent information that several former band members play together in a new band, plus the stuff about the various GNR lawsuits should certainly be here in some form. — sjorford++ 20:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm OK with not putting it back the way it was. Mostly, I put it back in because it appeared to have been deleted by a vandal, not by a conscientious editor. That said, it seems insufficient to me that the current article doesn't mention Velvet Revolver whatsoever. GentlemanGhost 08:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Velvet Revolver]]? 

message: In 2004, an album by Hollywood Rose, called The Roots of Guns N' Roses, was released... does this fit in any place of the article? igordebraga ≠ 18:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hollywood Rose album 

message: About the so called reunion, people keep adding things in without any source!! There are no official news about whether or not GNR's classic lineup is back. A couple of days ago Matt Sorum was interviewed and he said he talked with Axl, but that he didn't know anything about the so called reunion. If this is going to happen, let's add it to the article when it's official. If not, let it be...please, no more adding stuff without sources.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 20:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: So called Reunion

message: The regulars on this article might want to read this. I'm not to happy about seeing such this page disscused on a forum that is aprently into search engin optimisation.Geni 22:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: This guy's name is Ron Thal. Should he be in the article as such, or as bumblefoot? Remember, Brian Mantia is known as "Brain" and yet the article and all fan sites refer to him as Brian Mantia.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 05:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bumblefoot

message: If anyone can find a citation or wiki-link for this non-existent music genre then by all means include it. Until then it is nonsense. 156.34.142.158 16:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Srsrsr, please review all the edit histories before making false accusations. It was not me who rv'd your POV it was Zigthis. Perhaps you should review all Wikipedia policies. They may be very helpful to you. Start with assume good faith, Wikipedia is NOT and citations. Good luck and happy reading. 156.34.142.158 18:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aerosmith-style blues

message: I've removed Chinese Democracy from the list of Guns N' Roses albums because such album has never been released. Someone immediately put it back in. Why is that? Has it been released? Can I buy it? Official release date has been announced by a record company? NO? Then what is it doing there in the list? Axl said it will be out this fall? Hm.... I've been hearing this from 1999. So I guess we must agree that Axl's word doesn't have any value (at least in this particular subject). For all we know it may never be released - Axl failed to deliver it in 13 years and can easily spend another 13 years perfecting it! If it is ever going to be released he may decide to change its title, tracklist etc. So this PLANNED album does NOT exist as it didn't exist 5 years ago when Axl embarked on Chinese Democracy world tour promoting this very same album. It should NOT be in GN'R discography until it is available in the shops.
194.126.209.1 14:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Democracy

message: Why does the list of GN'R members in the beginning of the article not include original members pictured above? Surely Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steve and Matt have much more to do with Guns N' Roses than a bunch of nobodies hired by Axl to play the songs originally written and performed by the classic line-up. Let's face it, the current GN'R is a Guns N' Roses tribute band. They have not released a single album yet, let alone produced any hits. Guns N' Roses is defined by Appetite/Illisions era, so the people who were in the band at that time must be listed as members!
194.126.209.1 15:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well i think the wikipedia article is supposed to be listing the current members of the band, not just the "definable lineup" which is arguable. MyLovelyMan 23:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Original research?  --ElKevbo 22:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Members List

message: Oh My God was on the End Of Days soundtrack but it wasn't released as a single. I'm sure Hair Of The Dog wasn't either.
Can anyone prove that they were actually RELEASED as singles, i.e. sold in shops? Cover photo? Disc number? Release date?
The fact they may have been played on radio doesn't make them singles.
194.126.209.1 16:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles

message: As far as I know, the Charles Manson song is still on the CD.  I bought a brand-new Spaghetti Incident disc this year, and the hidden song was still there.
Me too Skeeker 21:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Spaghetti Incident

message: Why is every member's former or future band listed in "related articles"? No other band that I could find did this. The closest is The Beatles thing had a link to Yoko Ono's page. There was no link to Ringo's all-star band, etc. Thus I ask that you remove all the bands such as NIN and The Replacements from the GNR category box thingie. I'm trying to go through all The Replacements pages for disambigs to the movie or the kid's TV series, but everything I don't know is a GNR song, member, etc., and it is unneccesary. No other band does this. Bsd987 18:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Band's box thingie

message: Perhaps we should make mention of the fact that Izzy has been performing with the band again? He played tonight in Greece and has been at about half the shows on this European tour now. In fact although he was supposed to finish his run of shows at the end of June he keeps turning up... there's mention in the article of him returning during the UYI tour but no mention of him being at the Euro 2006 tour.
I heard the KROC interview with Axl on which when he was asked about who the current band members were, he mentioned Izzy among the others.The Archer 16:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Izzy 

message: Recently I've seen a bit of this. Constant changing of the image to represent the article for Guns N' Roses, I just felt I should ask here to see what the general feel is concerning the representing image. For a while, it has been the older lineup image and recently it's been changed to the new lineup, old again and now back to new. Personally I am in favour of the new image as it portrays what the band now is, instead of what it was. I believe the arguement of 'more people care about the old lineups' to be invalid also, as this page is meant to be an encyclopedia entry on the band to show GN'R for what it is. I just thought I should give it a mention to see what others thought and hopefully decide on one image instead constant change.
BirdieGryphon 14:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we use an image from one of the booklets? See this topic. - Face 07:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band lineup image 

message: This news is driving me crazy. I saw GNR live in San Juan and Axl introduced Ferrer normally, as an official member. Several sources have also said that both Ferrer and Mantia are official members. Can we find a link that is really realy OFFICIAL. 'Cause i don't know, I guess this is the only band in history that has TWO drummers. If we can't find any official official official news site, maybe we should put Ferrer in the touring members section, not in the band members section.136.145.83.127 21:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Ferrer

message: Guns N Roses used Synthesizers on Appetite for Destruction? I thought they were a rock band? Didnt New Wave bands use Synthesizers? 
I would suspect Bon Jovi but not GNR?
Could someone clarify this?
I also checked & found out Poison dont use synthensizers, is that not funny but GNR does. I thought it was the other way around. Warrant, Britny Fox have used them but that is expected as they were hair metal. 
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tna (talk • contribs) 02:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Axl Rose - Vocals (Lead), Synthesizer, Percussion

message: I see that this article was at one time a Featured article or FA candidate. However, the article is not listed as a Good Article . As part of the Rock music WikiProject, it is suggested that an article achieve Good Article (GA) status before having it's candidacy re-newed. So be sure that points from any previous Features article candidate (FAC) archives and peer reviews are taken and applied to the article, and shoot for a GA nomination. Good luck! -- Reaper  X 22:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A note on GA status

message: I've cleaned up the whole article. I'm not entirely happy with the Chinese Democracy and Legacy sections... I might work on them some more.
Some references are needed to make the article encyclopedic.
With some work, this article could be a successful featured article candidate.
Tom H 21:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Ok, i just was surfing in the internet and i scrambled the words Guns N' Roses, in the google search box and i found a CD called  Guns N' Roses > Collector's Box , released 2006. Shouldn't it be added to the GNR discography in wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.152.81.67 (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Guns N' Roses - Collector's Box 

message: Why not add the image of the band from the Appetite for Destruction booklet? Or from the Use Your Illusion booklet? Such images fall under non-free promotional, right? I have those booklets here, and I can scan and upload them if that's ok. - Face 18:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image of GNR