Talk:Grand Orient de France

message: A question... what does the Affaire Des Fishes have to do with "Separation of Church and State" which is the title of the section?  Either discussion of the Affaire needs to be moved to a different section or it needs to be directly tied to the topic indicated by the secton header. Blueboar 16:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main focus was on the Mass attendance of soldiers and civil servants as part of the paranoia (that affected both sides) of the Third Republic. JASpencer 20:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That said it could go to its own section as it was quite an important event in the GOdF's history. JASpencer 20:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Affaire Des Fiches]]

message: I think it is important to note that the vast majority of Grand Lodges and Grand Orients do not allow discussions of politics in the lodge.  This isn't just UGLE and affiliates... many of the "irregular" GLs and GOs adhear to this tradition.  GOdF is in a distinct minority on this issue. Blueboar (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with the current wording.  The only problems I had was that it could imply that political Freemasonry was insignificant (which in Europe and Latin America it wasn't) or that the French and the other Continental-style FMs acknowledge that the UGLE is in the right here.  Unlike the God question I don't know much about what the GOdF thinks on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if they asserted that it was the UGLE and their ilk who were the innovators. JASpencer (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of politics

message: The section currently states: In addition, it expects its members who hold a public office to fight for its values  Interview of Jean-Michel Quillardet, Great Master of the Grand Orient de France, April 2007; in order to forward its stated purpose of exerting an influence on ideas, it holds regular talks with elected representatives, including the Prime Minister (ibid).
Unfortunately, the source is in French, which not everyone can read... Please point me to the pertinent section of the source so I can get it translated and verify that the source does indeed support what is being claimed.  Blueboar (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind... I was able to find someone who knew French to verify it for me. Blueboar (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation issue in "Politics and Religion" section

message: The Le Droit Humain article has a nicely built section on international relations, and I was wondering if something similar could be set up for the Grand Orient for those who are knowledgable of their policies? What I can gather from this is that they are fraternal towards LDH but I am not sure if they are also fraternal to those who LDH fraternizes with. Furthermore, while LDH recognizes the Anglo orders of Masonry (not reciprocated) according to that chart, I do not know whether or not GOdF also has this policy or whether they are more strict and do not recognize them. Does anybody know? Tyciol (talk) 18:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In broad terms, Continental Freemasonry is less strict than Anglo Freemasonry, and so are more willing to grant recognition.  I beleive that GOdF has mutual recognition with LDH, but I do not know if they recognize everyone that LDH recognizes ... if there is one constant in all branches it is this: when you get into "recognition", things get messy.  I would be willing to bet that if you take any two Grand bodies, you will find at least one conflict of recognition (where A recognizes B, and B recognizes C, but A does not recognize C). Blueboar (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: International relations

message: The GODF is reputed to have quite a bit of influence in European, African and Latin American media, but it's really an open secret among journalists and television producers. Anyways, I think that some investigative work on the general relationship between Masonry and Media would be very much welcome on Wikipedia. ADM (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that some investigative work on the general relationship between Masonry and Media would be very much welcome on Wikipedia. No, no it would NOT be welcome.  What you are proposing is that wikipedias should be going out and finding evidence to support an accusation of conspiracy.  That is a deliberate attempt to circumvent one of wikipedia's foundation policies:  Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments.--Vidkun (talk) 17:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, if there are conspiracy theorists who can be cited as stating that Freemasons have some sort of undue influence on the media... this theory could probably be added to the article on Masonic conspiracy theories. Blueboar (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, if they can be found in a reliable source.--Vidkun (talk) 18:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. OR is never allowed. Blueboar (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence in media

message: I noticed that there was a missing section about the GODF's supposed role during the First World War. An intriguing element is perhaps the GODF's relations with the German Grand Lodges, with which it separated from after the 1877 schism. In particular, the question of Alsace-Lorraine became very acute in the 1880s, with each Grand Lodge and Grand Orient jurisdiction asserting control over that small slice of territory. Another interesting detail is that during the War, Turkey was aligned with Germany, but after the war it became aligned with France. ADM (talk) 01:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like Original research to me. Blueboar (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

text: An interesting angle.  Have you got any sources? JASpencer (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: WWI history

message: One likely source of anti-French sentiment in the United States is the historic separation between Grand Lodge and Grand Orient Masonry, which became noticeable in many areas where Masonry has been influential, such as politics and public life in general. After the 1877 masonic schism, the Grand Lodges began to promote an anti-France ideology, while the Grand Orients became very anti-American and anti-British. A similar division is also noticeable in the field of philosophy, which has long been split along the lines of analytical philosophy and continental philosophy. ADM (talk) 07:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-French sentiment in the United States

message: It would be a good thing if anyone could translate the article Querelle du Grand Architecte de l'Univers, which explains the 1877 schism. ADM (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: French translation

message: It seems like the Grand Orient de France has confirmed that they will not refuse admittance of a person based on their sex.
INFO LE FIGARO - Le Grand Orient confirme son ouverture aux femmes
Maybe it should be added to the article. What do you think?--195.57.146.182 (talk) 06:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have noted the change in the GO's rules.  Thanks. Blueboar (talk) 17:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No further discrimination because of the sex 

message: I've updated these for the time being with a current list from GoDF's English Facebook page. I can't use it as a reference, but I can't see why it would be wrong. I will cross check the new ones, and the lodges that are no longer mentioned, within the next few days. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lodges outside France 

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