Talk:Roots of anti-Semitism

message: :"German antiquity and Wagner's tales of Teutonic superheroes drove Hitler's fantasies of a Germanic state. He would later transfer romanticized notions of Norse epics and the Middle Ages onto National Socialism."
:"Aryan models of German manhood such as Siegfried and Lohengrin came to inspire a cult of ritual and make-believe within the Third Reich that seems like nothing so much as arrested adolescent development on a monumental scale. With secret codes and runic (ancient German alphabet) symbols, mystical rites (such as the passing of the Blood Flag), and oaths of loyalty, along with innumerable badges, costumes, and greetings, the Third Reich exceeded the customary use of regalia and ceremony within the military."
::Deborah M Rothschild, Curator of Exhibitions, Williams College Museum of Art; "Prelude to a Nightmare: Art, Politics, and Hitler's Early Years in Vienna 1906-1913"
:"Adolf Hitler was an artist—a modern artist, at that—and Nazism was a movement shaped by his aesthetic sensibility. Cosmopolitan Vienna incubated his peculiar genius as well as his hideous ideas. These views have been in the air recently, and a trenchant scholarly exhibition at the Williams College Museum of Art, in Williamstown, Massachusetts—'Prelude to a Nightmare: Art, Politics, and Hitler's Early Years in Vienna 1906-1913'—advances them."
:"The show's curator, Deborah Rothschild, was inspired by Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship, by Brigitte Hamann (1999). A forthcoming book, Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics, by Frederic Spotts, promises an interpretation of Hitler as 'a perverted artist.'"
::HITLER AS ARTIST, How Vienna inspired the Führer's dreams, by PETER SCHJELDAHL, New Yorker, Issue of 2002-08-19 and 26.
These cites back up my claim.--Cberlet 02:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wagner & Hitler

message: The Chart clearly states that “Christianity…[does] not inherently intersect with supremacist, theocratic, or fascist ideologies.” I don’t see how that could be clearer.  Nonetheless, this fact has been misrepresented to create a straw argument.  Here are some cites to books that discuss the role of Christianity and Christian apocalyptic belief on the construction of anti-Semitism in Nazi ideology.
*Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages, revised and expanded (New York: Oxford University Press, [1957] 1970) (Note the original subtitle was: Revolutionary Messianism in Medieval and Reformation Europe and its Bearing on Modern Totalitarian Movements).
*Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (London: Serif, [1967] 1996).
*James M. Rhodes, The Hitler Movement: A Modern Millenarian Revolution (Stanford, Calif: Hoover Institution Press, Stanford University, 1980).
*Andrew Gow, The Red Jews. Antisemitism in an Apocalyptic Age, 1200-1600 (Leiden: Brill, 1995), Gow describes his book as an exploration of the interactions between medieval Christian attitudes to Jews and apocalyptic belief/expectation, both Christian and Jewish.
*Richard Steigmann–Gall, The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003).--Cberlet 02:26, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Christianity, Nazism, and Anti-Semitism

message: *Chip Berlet. (2004) Christian Identity: The Apocalyptic Style, Political Religion, Palingenesis and Neo-Fascism. Totalitarian Movements and Political Religions, Vol. 5, No. 3, (Winter), special issue on Fascism as a Totalitarian Movement.
*_______. (2004). “Hate, Oppression, Repression, and the Apocalyptic Style: Facing Complex Questions and Challenges.” Journal of Hate Studies, Vol. 3, No. 1, Institute for Action against Hate, Gonzaga University Law School.
*_______. (2001). “Hate Groups, Racial Tension and Ethnoviolence in an Integrating Chicago Neighborhood 1976-1988.” In Betty A. Dobratz, Lisa K. Walder, and Timothy Buzzell, eds., Research in Political Sociology, Volume 9: The Politics of Social Inequality, pp. 117–163. 
*_______ and Matthew N. Lyons. (2000). Right–Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort. New York: Guilford Press.
*_______. (2000). “Countering Genocidal and Hate Movements in the United States,” The ISG Newsletter, The Institute for the Study of Genocide, No. 24, Winter, pp. 12-17.
*_______. (1998). “Mad as Hell: Right–wing Populism, Fascism, and Apocalyptic Millennialism.” Paper presented at the 14th World Congress of Sociology (XIVe Congrès Mondial de Sociologie), International Sociological Association, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, 1998.
This is a partial list.--Cberlet 02:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: My published scholarly articles and a book that discuss Anti-Semitism in detail

message: So, is there any objection to making this a redirect to anti-Semitism? --Goodoldpolonius2 23:29, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In haste, yes. Meaning, at the very least, I want to allow SlimVrigin time to finish her study, so that pertinent material would'nt be accidentally lost. I also want to hear Jay's thoughts on this. But I don't have a strong objection at this time, one way or the other. El_C 23:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a long edit the other day, but I must not have pressed save after previewing — either that or there was a server problem, but I think it was my fault because I remember the phone rang just as I finished the edit, and it distracted me — so I lost the edit. That's why the in-use tag was up for a day, because I didn't realize my edit wasn't saved. I'm not sure I have the heart to go back and redo it, so if there are no other objections, I'm fine with redirecting it. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:01, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
The problem would be in merging any content from here to there, the anti-semite article is already 68k. Most of that article is "history of anti-semitism", btw. I placed a note @ Talk:Anti-Semitism#Talk:Roots_of_anti-Semitism asking for input on the subject. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 00:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

text: What content here is not duplicated at that article?  This material seems similar, and, again, little of it actually addresses the article title.  --Goodoldpolonius2 01:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I am making this a re-direct.  I have not seen much information on this page (outside of the Marx material ably spun-off by [[User:El C) that is not also covered in the article on anti-Semitism, but I will try to merge where appropriate. --Goodoldpolonius2 17:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect