Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)/Archive 2

message: After a one-month rewrite, I'm now sending it to peer review before FAC. Don't revert/restore old sections, discuss them here if you feel an absolutely need to do so, and copyedit this article for any spelling/grammar. - Mailer Diablo 23:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While we are doing this, I strongly recommend anyone to go to the library and get a book recently released by the LTA on Singapore's public transport. It has tonnes of info we can add into this article, especially on its history. Remember our history section is still not mentioning a thing on the "MRT Man"! :D--Huaiwei 11:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, I did that already. It's "The Journey - Singapore's Land Transport Story.". The main purpose is not really to add new stuff, since what should be here is already here, it's more to verify the facts and figures. And if we do it'll be on the history sub-page, this is rather big! (32k already) Not too sure what you're referring to on the MRT man though, may have missed that. :P - Mailer Diablo 14:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shacks....again I forgot the name of that MRT man! Do you have access to the book now, I hope? There was extensive literature on him in there if I remember correctly. We cant do without a mention of him in this article...seriously.--Huaiwei 15:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, I guess I have to make another trip before...on the day before I send it for FAC. - Mailer Diablo 15:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We need more photos for the stations. :D --Terence Ong |Talk 03:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article cant really take too many station photos liao lah. I dare you guys to snap the patrolling cops of the MRT unit for our security section! :D--Huaiwei 12:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why MTR have so many photos. --Terence Ong |Talk 15:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Coz the text there is longer, allowing for more space for more photos? Anyhow the number is just one small concern. I hope we can have better quality ones. I dont see how much value a tonne of badly-composed photos lacking in detail can contribute to this site anyway. :D --Huaiwei 16:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * Too many photos is better than having a shortage of photos. - Mailer Diablo 16:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We may like to improve the template like
. --Terence Ong |Talk 17:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm...I am not so sure if the colour parade is exactly good for this article. Come to think of it, why do we keep using the MTR article as a "template", when London Underground is also an FA article? I actually consider the London article far more all-rounded and more professional-looking as a whole.--Huaiwei 03:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: FAC version

message: I suggest we nominate this for Wikipedia:Good articles before trying for FAC. Then at least we have something to be satisfied about. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 08:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, overseas now on a vacation. Luckily cafes provide computers for free internet access. :P If we can pass through good articles then we go for FAC, but anything is fine with me. --Terence Ong |Talk 09:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * I thought we don't have to, because we're sending it for FAC once the peer review is finished. I'm quite confident it should make it through. :P - Mailer Diablo 15:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  good article 

message: There is quite a lot of (what I feel) is unneccesary linkage in this article.  several paragrahs have 4+ links.  Excessive linkage makes an article hard to read and looks unprofessional.  something to consider ....novacatz 16:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't find this necessarily so. On the other hand, links give the article a sense of "concreteness" and I actually find an article without links harder to read with lots of links...this is Wikipedia; having lots of links to other concepts is typical of any good Wikipedia article. How is it unnecessary? Natalinasmpf 17:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from linking to years (which IMHO is always a bit redundant), the level of linkage looks about right to me. Linking is the strength of wikipedia, having terms like 'rolling stock' and 'third rail' linked means if they're unfamiliar terms, you'll quickly become an expert. Can you give an example of a paragraph which is over the top? Stevage 00:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wayyy too much blue links 

message: After I noticed that the first undone task on the to-do list is copyediting, I took the liberty (and the task) to do some copyediting work. I rewrote some sentences and/or split them up to make them read better, and corrected some language nuances here and there, as well as providing some minor info (why nobody bothered to mention that the single-trip versions of the EZ-Link card is called Standard Tickets?). However, I know that there are still some problems with this article - duplicate links are everywhere! I am unable to track all of them down with ease, so I do appreciate it if somebody is willing to check on this article for such links. A.K.R. 16:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just realised the fares section made no mention on transfers between lines, btw. Not all rail systems allow one to go into and out of the entire network via two gates. Even nearby KL dosent have it!--Huaiwei 16:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting Work Done on This Article 

message: Remember we made so much effort to "manage the size" of this article? I am beginning to wonder if we are kinda over-zealous about it. :D If one tries to copy the text into word and do a word count minus the captions, referencing, and other text not in the main article, it presently amounts to just under 3,500 words here. In comparison, the MTR article has over 5,000, while the London Underground one has over 5,600.
* Did we over-summarise?? :D--Huaiwei 19:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * I think we did fine. The other two articles were promoted on the basis of around this length. It was after on the frontpage that they now end up with > 5,000 words. - Mailer Diablo 07:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * We are already over the preferable article size limit; let's not stretch it any further. Also, in terms of summarisation, it looks fine to me. A.K.R. 12:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Not that long actually. It's just fine. We need some polish up like more images for station articles as most of the MTR and Underground stations have. --Terence Ong |Talk 15:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Alright then. I am being way too concerned about this article due to the FAC I suppose? :D--Huaiwei 08:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article too long?

message: It's going for FAC now! Let's hope that our efforts have paid off well! =D - Mailer Diablo 04:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit of the Labour! 

message: I note the following line was added recently:
:...extend a trip mid-journey, and pay the difference as they exit their destination station.
What this actually mean, because it is not clear if it involves leaving the fare gates or staying within it?--Huaiwei 08:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Extending a journey

message: There has been attempts by quite a few to remove links to "solitary years" in dates, and this request suffaced again in this FAC nomination. I removed a few in the beginning of the article, but that was reverted. This is getting confusing...--Huaiwei 09:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Date formats

message: This was raised up on the FAC page. We should emphasise the fact that yes, all of this is built for commuters, but we should also state the reactions/successes of it. I presume this could be appended easily. It could also be something covered by each section, especially fares in relation to ridership, history of any ridership, as well as a breakdown of ridership in general, peak hours, etc., who the demographics of riders are, where are the busy points, etc, perhaps this could be later mentioned in the individual station articles. -- Natalinasmpf 22:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  usage by commuters 

message: Frankly, these two are very similar, and could be merged (including their subarticles). This might also resolve NPOV issues in the long run, especially since there's something more substantial to write about as an introduction (in response to the protest of the use of "ensure" in the FAC submission). -- Natalinasmpf 01:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They may sound similar, but the underlying concerns are quite different. The rise of terrorism as a global threat has perhaps led to an increase in security considerations, even if it can also be said to "ensure safety" of commuters be it due to accidents or a terrorist attack. I would think there is likely to be much scope for expansion in both pages in their own right. Saying the MRT Police Unit was formed and that bins has been moved to the entrances due to "safety" concerns seems to be an inaccurate statement. Saying the CCTV system was implimented and the considerations in adding barriers to prevent falls due to "security" concerns are kindoff off-the-mark too, although one can say there is a small overlap between the two.--Huaiwei 12:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right now their sub-pages are a bit scanty. They could benefit from a merger. -- Natalinasmpf 02:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They have to be short because we cant expand on this article much further without breaching rules over its size. Main articles exist for both topics for further expansion.--Huaiwei 03:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, but they really are quite the same - they are both dedicated to safety. Terrorism is a much different problem than people sticking their fingers into sliding doors for example, but the benefit is ultimately the same. They can both expand on the same page, given that the ultimate mission of safety is still similar, and that terrorism is just an extreme safety problem. -- Natalinasmpf 03:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats generally true as I alluded above, but these articles are centered on the means of arriving at a seemingly common aim, and the means are quite obviously diferent. How do the "please mind the gap" annoucements contribute to security concerns on the MRT, for instance? The only major overlap I could think of is the CCTV system, which even then has been clearly indicated as a safety rather then security requirement, although its use for the later has suddenly become evident in recent years.--Huaiwei 04:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge safety and security 

message: It is mind-boggling why the graphic of future lines is placed there since it is not done by SMRT itself? "Artist impression"? I remember reading on the New Paper that it was done by a secondary school boy (not that I don't trust his abilities or anything, but while he may be talented, you must admit he isn't "professional"). Can a stronger disclaimer be placed in there?
:This has been discussed at length before. Anyhow if it was done by SMRT, it wont have appeared in wikipedia at all.--Huaiwei 12:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Or just "An artist's speculation on future extensions of the MRT network in addition to the current three lines." 202.156.6.54 12:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Speculation" seems to suggest that those lines are pure works of fantasy by one artist. The fact is they are mentioned and drawn in numerous publications of the said authorities, including that of the LTA and the URA.--Huaiwei 12:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  future lines 

message: This was relocated:
Stations are divided into two areas, paid and unpaid, which allow the rail operators to collect fares by restricting entry only through the fare gates, also known as access control gates. These gates, connected to a computer network, are capable of reading and updating electronic tickets capable of storing data, and can store information such as the initial and destination stations and the duration for each trip; fares are calculated on the basis of this information.
To me,I thought it belonged better on "facilities" as it just helped tie in or transition between the sections better. -- Natalinasmpf 02:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  relcatioh of data section 

message: Isn't anyone going to remove the attention sign. Or should we do a major edit to the article? --Terence Ong |Talk 04:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Mass Rapid Transit 

message: I added the Malay name of the system as "Sistem Rel Ringan", which I acquired from the web. However, I do wonder if this is wholely correct, so I would call for all to help ask around and verify this. Thanks!--Huaiwei 12:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sistem Rel Ringan" literally means "Light Rail System". Not sure if it refers to MRT or LRT thoguh.... Hayabusa future 10:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then that would be refering to the LRT right? Do you know the correct name for the MRT? Or is it simply the same as the English name?--Huaiwei 10:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah...so perhaps we can rename it as Sistem Transit Massa for now since we know for sure Sistem Rel Ringan is wrong? I did some searches, but its notoriously difficult to look for Malay names. I keep experiencing the same difficulty when it comes to adding Malay names for many other sg-related articles too. If only google has Malay language searches!--Huaiwei 12:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thats great to hear. ;) Anyhow, isnt sistem = system, which would mean the above stands for "MRT System"? If we only want the Malay phrase for the "MRT", can we drop the word sistem?--Huaiwei 07:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not so sure.. without the "sistem", it would mean something like "Rapid Carrier" or "Rapid Transporter". I guess it would work, but I have never heard it being used that way before. --fauzi 09:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh in that case I will leave it as it is, since I am no expert! :D--Huaiwei 13:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Malay name

message: Apparently, not all C751B cars have LED & LCD displays installed in them. I was on one two days ago and it didn't have LED or LCD displays installed. Quite shocking actually, thought all C751B trains already had them installed. The space where the LCD screen would have been has this white board thing (looks like a piece of cardboard). Its either SMRT ran out of money to install them in this train (haha, as if) or its a new train. After all, the place where the LED would have been doesn't have any drill holes in it, meaning nothing was ever installed on that surface & meaning nothing was ever removed. Should this very minor minor detail be written in the C751B page? Its nothing major, just thought you might want to know. Ignoramus
:I suppose it must be a new train or they are doing something else. :D --Terence Ong |Talk 05:33, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you will like to provide the carriage number so that we can check it out? Russianroulette2004|Talk 11:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  C751B Cars 

message: Like the bum rests of C651 trains, luggage racks of C751B trains and tv screens of C151 trains which were all experimental programmes, how about a section devoted to it?
Other experimental programmes include
1. New GTM Card Reader being tested at some GTMs at City Hall Station. You don't insert the card to top up the value at this GTM, you simply place it on the reader. (Should this be added to the GTM section? This is minor so I don't know if it deserves to be added)
2. The Passenger Information System & terrestial TV monitors @ the Woodlands Extension Stations. In 1996, there were tvs at each station showing tv programmes I think. Not only that, these stations were the first to feature LED screens at concourse level showing train arrival times and enhanced flip dot displays at platform level showing next train arrival time.
3. Music being played at stations in late 1990s to 2000s.
4. ezlink mobile top up service. One small machine for passengers to top up their card by tapping on it. After that authenticate that transaction thru the mobile phone that is.
There are more but I can't really remember now. Ignoramus
:Or should it all come under a new section called "technologies in the MRT"? Btw...do remember to sign your comments.--Huaiwei 17:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of technologies, some time ago I edited List of current systems for electric rail traction and added the specs for our trains. Perhaps we can add in the specs for the future Circle Line if we know anything about it. --fauzi 10:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a section for SMRT/SBS Transit/LTA experimental programmes? 

message: 1. I think people would be interested to know how fast the trains move in the lines owned by SMRT and SBS.
* All in the specific articles. SMRT 80kmh, SBS 90kmh, Average 45kmh. - Mailer Diablo 08:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: After FAs is not the end of the world. :) Like what Huaiwei and Natalinasmpf said, we can give the uniqueness to readers about our MRT. I really hope this article will be promoted. We need lots of improvements to this articles. :P --Terence Ong Talk 07:00, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible additions 

message: Wrong year, and missing citations (probably check the sg e-Hansard if it was discussed in Parliament). Ngiam Tong Dow mentioned in an interview/talk this year that the USSR offered in the mid 1960s to build an MRT system for Singapore for $1 bn. The decision by Parliament to plan to build the MRT at $5 bn was made in the late 1970s - not in the 1960s as is written in the article. Akikonomu 05:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A url link please?--Huaiwei 20:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire speech was reproduced in the ST Commentary page, probably on or around their 16 January issue. I don't subscribe to ST online, so I can't find it. However, the article was also printed by Business Times, at http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/storyprintfriendly/0,4568,105455,00.html - which again works only for subscribers. Akikonomu 02:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah! Needed the link to counter-check and for referencing purposes. You dont have the article title, auhor and page number by any chance?--Huaiwei 06:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lessons from 40 years of policymaking in Singapore" in Business Times, 16 January 2004. No author since it's a direct transcript of Ngiam's speech to the Economic Society. The Zaobao 16 Jan article is "前高级公务员严崇涛：政府地价政策不合理, 导致经济竞争力丧失" by 郑英豪. The ST article printed excerpts from his speech on 16 Jan as well, in "Ex-top civil servant speaks up on policy misses" Akikonomu 08:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found the BT article and copy it to my user subpage User:Vsion/Ngiam Tong Dow. It was copied from the forum page . Quite interesting. :D --Vsion 04:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That could go well with our history sub-page, I suppose? :) - Mailer Diablo 04:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More history of SMRT 

message: Given the failure to address challenges to the accuracy and neutrality of the article, I've added the appropriate templates to the page. Monicasdude 23:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some other section 

message: Is to nominate this FA to the main page in Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article. Maybe we can take some time to further polish it up abit more and take into account some suggestions made in the FA nomination prior to doing so as well? ;)--Huaiwei 14:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure do! :D - Mailer Diablo 15:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is great! --Terence Ong Talk 15:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The next natural step

message: Well we've done it, we've achieved FA, but we still have a few tasks to do that are preferably done before it reaches the main page: I've updated the todo list. We should work on our subpages now. It's preferable to establish a bit more integration as we've remembered to link the sections (it's a basically if you see the oppurtunity, do it kind of thing), perhaps in a cause and effect kind of way. (Ie. Reduce road use means using rolling stock, which requires rail facilities. which requires ticketing, security and safety.) That way, citing facts like train speed et al. doesn't seem so random as part of a carefully constructed presentation. -- Natalinasmpf 03:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am moving the safety and security sections towards the bottom as requested by someone (cant rem who) in the FA nomination, which made sense for subjective sections seems better off towards the bottom then right on top?--Huaiwei 04:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Enoch who suggested it. Should we merge it to Safety and Security on the Mass Rapid Transit? --Terence Ong Talk 10:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a discussion with Natal on this above, and there was no agreement yet. She feels they should be merged, while I would think they may be better seperated. Hope the rest of you may chip in with your opinions.--Huaiwei 14:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  upcoming tasks 

message: I want to add a section about the evolution of the MRT system map but do not know where to place it without pissing people off. I figured that under The Mass Rapid Transit network a link to a main article could be made, detailing the change in graphical layout of the system map, the reasons behind it, its good and bad points etc.Ignoramus 10:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section is a good place to put it. --Terence Ong Talk 17:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the history sub-article is better. Then I can add an image of the old map as well. :D - Mailer Diablo 19:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It has been added. However, I need someone to confirm that the colours are correct, and to add the pictures of the maps, wiki it, and maybe edit it a little to look better (nothing major, really). Spent a long time typing it, very tired. But at least the MRT articles and sub articles are starting to fatten up. Very detailed. Ignoramus 05:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont see a single map in History of the Mass Rapid Transit?--Huaiwei 17:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, added an old map which was lying in my system for ages =) Mailer diablo, is your map before or after Woodlands Extension? If its before, I can add the extension to this map, or post the "horizontal version"(the one you see on SMRT trains, on the advertisement panels), so we'll have a more comprehensive collection. :P Advanced 19:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is much better now. Glad to see the old map for readers. Gives an impression of how the system was like when it opened. --Terence Ong Talk 05:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a small error with the map. In that version (before the Woodlands Extension), "Marina Bay" was simply marked as "South". It was after the Woodlands Extension that it was changed to "Marina Bay". Similarly, if I remember correctly, "North" was relabelled "Woodlands" after the extension.A.K.R. 12:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it? I didn't know about that. Quite surprising to me though. North and South as in where, the station or the line? --Terence Ong Talk 12:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok Errors Corrected. North and South/Woodlands and Marina Bay refers to the area in Singapore, labelled on the old map. 202.156.6.54 18:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  System Map 

message: Jurong East MRT Station
             	
Current Code 	NS1/EW24
Previous Code	W9
Malay        	Jurong East
Chinese      	裕廊东
Tamil        	ஜூரோங் கிழக்கு
Location     	Jurong East
Operational  	10 March 1990
Operator     	SMRT Corporation
Lines        	North South, East West
Platforms    	4 (elevated)
Levels       	3
Escalators   	
Elevators    	
Exits        	
Around four to five months ago, Huaiwei proposed this station infobox. I'm thinking of it and there will be a slight modification from this. Any suggestions? You may like to look at Quarry Bay (MTR) and Tai Koo (MTR), also look at Oxford Circus tube station if you have any improvements to Huaiwei's template. --Terence Ong Talk 12:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much cleaner than which one? I would prefer a photo than a station map. --Terence Ong Talk 05:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Much cleaner than the current way we list information for stations. We could add room for a second photo at the end of the infobox, mainly for stubs we have photos, but not information with. The problem is that we need statistics. Where can we find them? Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 05:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is very hard to find all these stuff. The operators do not reveal the station stats which I don't think is good. I've also modify the infobox above a bit. --Terence Ong Talk 05:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Why not try adding line colours into the infobox? (e.g. Red for North-South Line, Green for East-West Line, etc.) --01:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station Infobox 

message: :I don't understand why someone translates the Mass Rapid Transit into 大众快速列车. The Chinese translation is not a direct one for all cases. --Russianroulette2004 Talk 05:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The translation was sourced from the net, or someone put it in, so unless you can show its inaccurate, there is no reason to remove it. I arent too sure what you mean by "The Chinese translation is not a direct one for all cases" anyway.--Huaiwei 11:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: “大众快速列车 is definitely wrong. It should be “大众捷运” in full and “捷运” in short. (大众 = mass, 捷 = rapid, 运 = transit/transport) It is the same as Taiwan, as they use the term "Mass Rapid Transit (MRT)" too. Moreover, SBS Transit's Mandarin corporate name is “新捷运”, as heard on national radios and TV. --Kenneth88 20:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While 捷运 is also acceptable, I am quite sure that when I was in Taipei, they called their MRT 地铁 too.--Huaiwei 20:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked with my Taiwanese friend and he said that they refer to their MRT as “大众捷运” and “捷运” only. However, they also know what “地铁” is, but do not use the term. It is just like Singaporeans knowing what "Metro" and "Subway" are, but do not use them. Okay, back to the main point: I think we should just use “大众捷运”, “捷运” and “地铁”. I did not mention about “大众捷运” and “捷运” just only because Taiwan MRT uses them. The other reason is that I have recently heard national radio and TV using the terms “新捷运” when refering to rail operator SBS Transit. “大众快速交通” also sounds like it is in simple and informal Mandarin. “地下铁路” must be removed as it only refers to completely-underground systems.--Kenneth88 19:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, "I did ... Taiwan MRT uses them." My original point of contention was "大众快速交通". You all have spent so much time on this article and I don't want the first few lines to discredit the rest of the article. We shouldn't really include non-localised versions of references to MRT like “捷运”; they are indeed very rare in the papers despite being the same length as “地铁”. But again, that's a less major point to me.—Goh wz 18:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was right of Goh wz to remove the term "大众快速交通". We should just have the name "地铁" only, until we can find solid evidence that "大众快速交通" is used officially.--Kenneth88 15:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Whooaa!!! While we await for SMRT's response, I would just like to comment, that there is a similar difficulty in looking for a full, formal Malay name, since Malay newspaper articles regularly refer to it simply as MRT too. Attempting to find the full name in the earliest articles is actually not always productive, as newspapers are not obliged to do so, instead prefering to stick to common shorthand names. While few may have heard of this term (I myself hadent heard of it too either), it may not neccesarily signify its non existance. What we need to do now, is to actually find any evidence showing the non existance of a full name for the MRT in Chinese....not an easy task indeed.--Huaiwei 11:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Translation of MRT 

message: At the end of the day, very little people—even my Chinese teachers—have heard of the term "大众快速交通" before. The 1987 papers made no mention of this supposed full name of the MRT when the service started. With such rarity, I wonder what else would convince the Wikipedia community of the non-existance of a term.—Goh wz 06:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whooaa!!! While we await for SMRT's response, I would just like to comment, that there is a similar difficulty in looking for a full, formal Malay name, since Malay newspaper articles regularly refer to it simply as MRT too. Attempting to find the full name in the earliest articles is actually not always productive, as newspapers are not obliged to do so, instead prefering to stick to common shorthand names. While few may have heard of this term (I myself hadent heard of it too either), it may not neccesarily signify its non existance. What we need to do now, is to actually find any evidence showing the non existance of a full name for the MRT in Chinese....not an easy task indeed.--Huaiwei 11:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion 

message: As you see, the article has appeared on the Main Page as Today's featured article. Let's take this as an honour for all of the SGpedians'. Well done, to Mailer Diablo and Huaiwei who have contributed significantly to the article. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 01:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: haha ... nice try, but no, you can't take this away. :P , there's no dispute at all, read the news article again. --Vsion (talk) 08:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is jealousy, let's ignore this comment. --Terence Ong 01:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We've made it! 

message: Why is there a picture overlapping the text of the lead - and why is this immediately followed by an hard-to-read (undersized) image surrounded by white space? Rmhermen 16:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo appeared on the right side (probably got lost in transit in vandalism reverting), so I moved it back to the left side. It's not an ideal place, but it's better than overlapping text and images. Quite frankly, I think we have too many images in this article. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I've moved it to the right but at the bottom of the lead. There's no overlapping like that, so hopefully it should be fine. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: Some jackass has quite obviously hacked this page. Does anyone know how to fix this? Mr President  22:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -- That Guy, From That Show! (talk) 22:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page hacked 

message: Okay, what do you think of an infobox like New York City Subway? It would be a good place for the logo. And that reminds me what is the MRT rail gauge anyway? Does anyone know?
Oh, our work is far from over :D. The work is now to provide information on each station, ie. its locality, size and passenger traffic, so we can eventually add more information on the lines itself. Then at least we have some decent material to summarise for the "network" section of this article. ;-) Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 01:28, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at the infobox above, expansion of the station articles is needed. --Terence Ong 02:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, but I meant an infobox for the main article in general. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 05:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Featured articles such as London Underground and MTR do not have infoboxes. I don't see a need of an infobox on the main article itself. --Terence Ong 07:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox and line specific 

message: I have noted the contributions made by user Guangyang on how to differentiate or spot the three rolling stocks found on the North South Line and East West Line. I would like to express my point that there needs to be some rewriting of this section before being posted onto Wikipedia. Indeed the information is of valuable importance it is essential that it is phrased nicely so that it is presentable, coherent, and easily understood for all. Russianroulette2004 11:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to be a bit harsh here, and I apologise for that. I think it fits into one criteria of WP:NOT, or else that will be useful. However, some of the information are useful and we can integrate them into differences section. We need to improve rolling stock articles and other MRT-related articles. I will find some time to do that when I'm free. --Terence Ong 13:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a Trains on the Singapore MRT template and placed it into the 4 rolling stock articles, to help improve the articles a bit, and for easier navigation purposes. Any improvements made to the template et al,are welcome. Advanced 07:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice template, better for navigation like you said. Isn't anyone interested in the station infobox idea? --Terence Ong 15:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Information about MRT Rolling Stock 

message: * Individual Station Pages - Train Services Information Added
* Train services information for the following individual station pages have been added and completed. Do not DELETE, but you may edit the format A BIT!
** Woodlands
** Yew Tee
** Khatib
** Yishun
* Train services information for all other individual station pages have not been added or not completed. Please help to ADD THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION, BUT using the format that has been used in the above 4 station pages for a sense of continuity. Thanks.
* Shops & facilities for most stations are not complete. I can only probably finish off those for Khatib and Yishun and Yew Tee stations. Need help with other stations. Follow the rough format given in the above 4 pages. Thanks! Ignoramus
:I believe that train arrival/ departure times are unencyclopedic. You may like to take a look at Central (MTR) and Baker Street tube station for examples. London Underground and MTR are featured articles, is best not to put all this, as it kind of violate Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Ignoramus, hope you can cooperate, not encyclopaedic at all frankly speaking. This information is quite hard to get actually. I understand that you have put in a lot of effort finding all this information, sorry. I do like the shops and facilities part though, I will add sections on exits and station vicinities. :) --Terence Ong 12:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Station Pages - Train Services Information Added 

message: I cannot find any other source for this book:
*Sock, Y.P. and Walder, Jay H. (1999), Singapore’s Public Transport.
Maybe it does not exist? Does anyone know? --Ghormax 13:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not very sure about this, but I believe this book exists somewhere but cannot be found in the cyberspace. --Terence Ong 15:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's strange that it cannot even be found in the NUS library, right? --Ghormax 16:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Follow-up: I have looked through the genesis of this article and I think that perhaps this academic text is an unpublished paper. If so, it should be reverted to the earlier "Academic articles" --Ghormax 15:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academic text? 

message: I notice that individual articles of MRT stations on the North-South Line have information on train  schedules and now, bus services nearby. Maybe can we discuss on what specific information to be placed in all such articles in order to standardise all information that we present on the Singapore MRT. --Russianroulette2004 07:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information on Individual Stations