Talk:Gija Joseon

message: Please justify why the existence of that former paragraph adds anything to the article.  The paragraph is POV and unnecessary given the better-stated reasons arguing against the historicity of Gija Joseon above and below it.  Further, it is internally logically inconsistent:
# It argues against Gija Joseon's existence by assuming that a lack of archaeological evidence for its existence.
# It then argues that a tomb in Shandong is Jizi/Gija's tomb.
# Further, it cites, for support, a Web site that I've looked at; nothing on that Web page supports the assertion.
That doesn't work logically.  First, there is no conclusive -- or even persuasive -- evidence that it was Jizi's tomb (and there is really no archaeological evidence that the person of Jizi even existed -- which I'd say is a much better argument for the non-existence of Gija Joseon).  Second, assuming that it is Jizi/Gija's tomb, then it would actually tend to support the existence of Gija Joseon's existence, by extension of other Korean legends that stated that the Shandong Peninsula was at one point Korean-ruled.  (See, e.g., Chi You.)  The paragraph's statements are analogous to assertions that Yang Guifei fled to Japan because there was a tomb claiming to be hers in Japan.  That simply makes no sense.  If it's going to be reinserted, it needs to be cleaned up and re-attributed with better citation, while at the same time justified.  --Nlu (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If, as you claimed before, your English isn't good enough to engage in a discussion, then I think you have to seriously consider whether you are truly adding to the quality of English Wikipedia with your edits.  Further, even if that is the case, you can and should write comments in Korean and ask someone else to translate it.  --Nlu (talk) 15:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The removal of the former first paragraph of the "Controversy of Gija Joseon" section 

message: The reasons why I believe the paragraph should be removed are listed above.  Please make comments.  Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any paragraph base on a fact in this article ...? I doubt there is any true story. I wonder where is the article before the day 16.10.2006. Jtm71 09:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: Since we have Wiman of Gojoseon, Jizi should be Gija or Kija of Gojoseon. Considering we are dealing with Korean monarch. --Korsentry 03:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting re-direction from Jizi to Gija of Gojoseon 

message: Just to tell interested editors that a lot of referenced information now found on the Gija wiki could be used to improve this page. I have no time to do it myself in the next few weeks, but if some brave soul is willing... Madalibi (talk) 07:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References on Gija Joseon on the "Gija" page 

message: This article has been tagged with an NPOV concern since 2007 (!).  Is there still an active problem that needs to be addressed, or can the tag be removed?  --Elonka 05:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll remove it.  Tags like this which are added should be followed up with discussion on the talk page.  It's amazing how many of those tags outlast the issues they were designed to report. --j⚛e deckertalk 04:59, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: I included a "disputed tag" for now, as many parts are unsourced or possibly violate WP:RS. Also the whole artile is about the controversy if Gija was real (or Chinese or whatever). If I have time I will include neutral sections about Gija Joseon itself. If someone has suggestions please write them here. Thank you.--AsadalEditor (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Some references that may be usefull for other editors: https://books.google.at/books?id=iB8R0oEH3kEC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=gija+joseon&source=bl&ots=IdK24nGLfB&sig=ACfU3U3O1ONq3IKF9Z1u_GCqq5QdG5sqTQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-6vXqq8TjAhXwkYsKHSmnBS4Q6AEwE3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=gija%20joseon&f=false, https://books.google.at/books?id=DyN-AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=gija+joseon&source=bl&ots=jbUicFfxGQ&sig=ACfU3U2fkVuBxvjasa5llpDkn5FiQlc3mQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwits_eYrcTjAhUDt4sKHSLCCLw4ChDoATADegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=gija%20joseon&f=false, https://books.google.at/books?id=ABJ2DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=gija+joseon&source=bl&ots=bH_yIDYncf&sig=ACfU3U0U3KUZMSI5vU7r0p8-hLBtGaEM6g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwits_eYrcTjAhUDt4sKHSLCCLw4ChDoATAGegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=gija%20joseon&f=false --AsadalEditor (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed tag, article is a mess