Talk:Temple of Set

message: "Many Archeologists and experts in ancient Hamo-Semitic languages, as well as critics of the Temple of Set, assert that if an ancient Egyptian deity were to communicate an ancient Egyptian word, that word would have at least been correctly pronounced by the deity in question as "Khe-per"."
Citations? This paragraph needs them badly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.138.121 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 26 June 2005
:I think we should eliminate the material in this page about pronunciation altogether.  It's a bit silly: how could anyone possibly know how ancient Egyptian was pronounced?  Scholars even dispute - or, I should say, have long since stopped disputing - the "correct" pronunciation of Latin and Ancient Greek (which, one may safely gainsay, was pronounced quite differently than its modern counterpart, partly due to the inevitable vicissitudes of history, but more especially due to the sweeping cultural changes during the time of the Ottoman Empire).  Since no audio recordings exist from the Classical Age, determining the "correct" pronunciation of these languages is quite impossible - assuming (and it is quite an assumption) that there ever was a "correct" pronunciation uniform in all city-states and rural regions, throughout history.  As for Egyptian, it is far less likely that we could ever know its pronunciation for certain, since much of Ancient Egyptian history is even older than that of Ancient Greece and Rome, and since the vast majority of Egyptian writing is in pictographs (hieroglyphs) rather than in an alphabetic script. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.169.127.98 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 22 September 2005
::Greek — Preceding unsigned comment added by OwarePlayer (talk • contribs) 13:35, 10 January 2006
::I agree. -Willmcw 09:02, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khe-per 

message: I've amended some phrases in this article to fall in line with NPOV. Most are minor adjustments such as changing "The Temple of Set was founded in 1975 by Michael Aquino who was charged with child molestation, and a group of other members who left the Church of Satan organization because of disagreements with its administration and philosophy." to the more accurate "The Temple of Set was founded in 1975 by Michael Aquino (who was charged with child molestation though the charges were dropped), and a group of other members who left the Church of Satan organization because of disagreements with its administration and philosophy." Other changes are visible in the page's history. - Reason. 25 October 2005
Jan 2005: Recent edit added the clause, "... though [it] is largly an American based organisation."  Question: How does one determine whether an oragnization is largely a [whatever geographic] based organization? The majority of Setians are Americans, but the majority of Catholics are South American -- does that make the Roman Catholic Church largely South American? Or because its offices are in Rome, does that make it a largely Italian organization? Members of the Board of Directors have served from Europe, conclaves (conventions) have been held in Europe, gatherings on at least four continents. Assuming (for the sake of this question) that the Temple of Set either is or someday will be an international organization, at what point does one stop trying to claim "though [it] is largly an American based organisation"?
Balanone 03:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV-Violating Language 

message: I note that someone deleted the statement that Dr. Michael Aquino is not an officer of the organization.  I added it back in, since he is not an officer.  I see that the Wikipedia page on him suggests he is current High Priest. He is not; his latest term of office in that position ended a while ago.  This can be verified if needed by the Executive Director.Balanone 06:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Removing Vitalyb's Satanism template, added by him Jan 6 2007.  It seems to be the consensus here that the Temple of Set no longer has anything significant to do with modern Satanism, and therefore the Template was removed without complaint by Darkahn on Nov 30 2006. Unless Vitalyb can suggest good reason for the template to be used here, it should be left off. Balanone 22:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Like most good Christians put a few Satanists together and they tend to fight each other like ferrets in a sack. Surely this aspect of the Temple of Set should be mentioned? its long and tiring war with the Church of Satan can be a source of fascination and much humour.
Some Setian philosophy is particularly silly, they unify Satan and Set, but with little or no justification. Researching this area myself I found that Satan probably does have a relationship with the Egyptian gods - except that Satan looks very similar to Horus rather than Set, and indeed the great pyramid has several names that connect it directly to Lucifer. (His name means 'bearer of the Light' while its name means 'the Light', it wouldn't be a great stretch for that to actually be 'bearer of the Light' instead). Moreover the logic of the situation suggests it quite strongly - the Jews had a habit of bundling their enemies Gods in as demons - eg Baal and Belial, and they certainly didn't see the Egyptians or their Gods as great friends. If Jehovah supposedly caused the Egyptian plagues then surely that would make him a good candidate for being linked with Set wouldn't it?.  Lucien86 (talk) 03:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setian Philosophy 

message: This article needs extensive work. It presently reads like a manifesto for the Temple with a superious comment added here and there by the Temple's detractors. It is also riddled with loaded words. I suggest a complete revision. FenrirRising (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality of article 

message: The Controversy section of the article is rather sparse, and there have been plenty of accusations, from it being a cult, to it's founder and leader being accused of sexually abusing children and if nobody else expands it in the next few days, I'll do it.
Source of those accusations: [redacted]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumblebritches57 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  So are Bill Cosby's recent controversy, yet they're still on his page... Bumblebritches57 (talk) 06:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to remove your link. This news article doesn't appear in the archives of the San Jose Mercury News. Given that the article was written at the height of the Satanic Panic, and contains nothing but innuendo, I am guessing it was retracted at some point. I'm not up on all of the edge cases for what makes a good reference, but I imagine that having been retracted the article could not be used for a reference by Wikipedia standards, since that's the whole point of reliable sources, that they correct themselves when they mess up. But, even if this were allowed as a source for the article, a link to a copy of this article on some right wing conspiracy blog wouldn't cut it for a cite either, since we have no way of knowing if the copy is accurate. And lastly, I'm removing the link, because looking at the circumstances, I think part of the motivation for putting it here was to advertise the blog on which it appears. 23.242.135.196 (talk) 10:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Currently a search for "Michael A. Aquino" redirects to this article. Is there any reason why he doesn't have his own article? Michael Aquino is a former US military officer and former member of LaVey's Church of Satan; he is of interest as an individual, besides his connection to the Temple of Set. Can we create an article just for him?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDCCLXXVI (talk • contribs) 01:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means. Just ensure that it is properly sourced using WP:Reliable sources. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:14, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirected from Michael A. Aquino 

message: Thanks, MW131tester (talk) 18:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a list of Setian international conclaves anywhere? 

message: "In 1983, he performed a solitary rite at Walhalla, the subterranean section of the Wewelsburg castle in Germany that was utilised as a ceremonial space by the Schutzstaffel's Ahnenerbe group during the Nazi period." any source of that? Hardly imaginable, as the keepers of the castle in post-WWII Germany would not alllow anyone to enter the castle for ceremonies.
Also - Walhalla  -  "subterranean section"? No such thing there called Walhalla. American romanticism?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.18.130 (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wewelsburg - source?? 

message: Anyone else having a hell of a belly laugh reading the super serious nature of the writing then seeing photos of edgyboi's LARPing? Maybe the Christians in the 80's were right and dungeons and dragons did set us down a bad path! ROFL! :D 121.210.33.50 (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  3edgy5me. 

message: Wikipedia currently redirects a search for the term "Setianism" to the Temple of Set Wikipedia page. Yet the Temple of Set represents only *one branch* of contemporary Setianism.Marian, G.B. (2020). Setianism: A Brief Introduction. http://desertofset.com/2020/06/15/setianism/ Not all Setians identify as "left-hand path" occultists or "Satanists."Marian, G.B. (2020). On the Temple of Set. http://desertofset.com/2020/06/17/tos/Marian, G.B. (2020). Setianism Predates "the Left-Hand Path." http://desertofset.com/2020/09/30/lhp/ Please consider creating a separate page for the term "Setianism," then making it the "parent" of the Temple of Set Wikipedia page. Setians are an extremely complex and multi-faceted religious demographic, but there are two primary varieties: Setians who are left-hand path occultists, like Temple of Set members, and Setians who are Kemetic Pagans, or who actually worship Set in a devotional context.Marian, G.B. (2021). My Religious Taxonomy. http://desertofset.com/2021/01/05/my-religious-taxonomy/ The Wikipedia article for Setianism only includes information about our occultist subpopulation, which can be misleading, so more information about non-ToS Setians who are devotional polytheists is needed.
: Not done: Wrong venue. Try WP:REQ. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating a Separate Wikipedia Page for "Setianism" and Including Resources to Non-ToS Setian Writers & Groups