Talk:Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics

message: I think this article would look a lot neater and be a lot clearer if there tables were used for each sport rather than just lists. Darryl.matheson (talk) 01:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had discussion about that on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics.  Something will be "standardized" in the next couple of months.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables 

message: How come it says England qualifed for the Olympics by beating India in the Euro Hockey comp??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.64.28 (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes this was wrong, it was actually at the Olympic qualifiers, i've corrected this. -Basement12 (talk) 13:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hockey qualification 

message: Should the format of the women's results table be the same as the men's results table? I know little clue as to how this competition works/progresses, so will leave for someone else to do. Yboy83 (talk) 13:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in a similar table, assuming the competition works in the same way. It's quit complicated but I think i've done it right. Basement12 (talk) 15:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gymnastics Results 

message: Is the womens 4x100m relay record correct?  I thought that one of the swimmers was replaced for the final.Cairocat (talk) 06:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct - Sylvester replaced Beckett for the final. I now remember Jameson/Moorhouse saying on TV that there had been a swim-off in the training pool between the heat and final. I have fixed this now. Yboy83 (talk) 11:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Swimming Record 

message: User:Basement12 has recently added detailed results for the hockey. My opinion is this additional information is not required as part of this article. For no other sports have we included so much detail - who the officials were, which seat in the boat the rowers are sitting, score for each individual dive in the diving etc. The Sport at the 2008 Summer Olympics are the article pages for such detailed information, and as such there are  for each sport in this article, leaving a summary in a simple readable table as had been prepared.
What are the thoughts of other editors to this article? Yboy83 (talk) 11:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point, I merely added it to be in line with other team sport results on pages for other nations, eg at Argentina or Brazil. This is probably something to discuss WikiProject Olympics? - Basement12 (talk) 12:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Although individual splits in e.g. swimming relays are probably a similar level of detail (at least to who the scorers were) and I don't think they are a bad thing. Basement12 (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hockey detailed results 

message: Should this not be broken down into seperate swimming and diving sections and placed in th corresponding alphabetical positions, as found at the other nations pages. They are listed as seperate sports on Template:EventsAt2008SummerOlympics. - Basement12 (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest asking on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics‎, to ensure that it's the same for every country. Bluap (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have now asked for opinions here. - Basement12 (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Aquatics

message: Do people think a table like the one below, found at the US page, would be a good addition for these events or is it too much detail?
Heptathlon	Event        	Hyleas Fountain	Hyleas Fountain	Hyleas Fountain	Jacquelyn Johnson	Jacquelyn Johnson	Jacquelyn Johnson	Diana Pickler	Diana Pickler	Diana Pickler
Heptathlon	Event        	Results        	Points         	Rank           	Results          	Points           	Rank             	Results      	Points       	Rank
          	100 m hurdles	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	High jump    	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	Shot Put     	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	200 m        	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	Long jump    	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	Javelin throw	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
          	800 m        	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
Final     	             	               	               	               	                 	                 	                 	             	             	
The various events within events are equivalent to the different rounds in e.g 100m so I believe the full scores should be included. Basement12 (talk) 01:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That table looks very nice.  Bluap (talk) 02:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it should be included, much better table. Eddie6705 (talk) 09:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Heptathlon/Decathlon

message: User:Peterwill appears to have chaged the ordering of the athletic tables by events rather than the traditional by surname established in other articles and in other tables of this article as well. While I do not condone such actions, because it makes easy to see which events British athlete are in but usually when your updating the table it's natural to look for the athlete by their surname. Also, if this table is going to be kept like this, are the other tables going to be changed as well? --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 18:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally when i started designing the tables being used on all the Nations pages, the intention was to list alphabetically by athlete surname as personnally I want to see everything a particular competitor has performed in, more so than a comparision of all British competitors in a particular event. I see someone has done something similar for the track cycling pursuits too. A solution would be to have sortable tables, but then we'd have to remove the rowspan and repeat the athlete name for each event. I think we'd only want to do this for athletics and swimming where there are multiple competitors in an event, and there aren't too many team/relay events. Yboy83 (talk) 07:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Athletics: Sorted by events? 

message: Someone added a date column to the medalist table, I don't think this is a bad idea, particularly as the day by day medal tables will probably be removed post-games. What do others think and if it stays what format should the date take (16th, Aug 16th, etc)? basement12 (talk) 18:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not a bad idea and nothing wrong with just 16th. Dont think it needs to be linked to the date as following the link does not provide any information about the Olympics. MilborneOne (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Medalist dates

message: How about adding the targets for each sport set by UK Sport in a table with comparison of how many medals were won in each sport? SeveroTC 22:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely worthy of a section in the article in my opinion. Probably should slot in just below the list of medalists i guess.basement12 (talk) 01:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal targets 

message: A random bit of trivia: this page is currently number 405 in the list of long pages!! Yboy83 (talk) 14:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mirroring the current medal table we're behind US (28th) and China (59th). But this article is in far better shape! - basement12 (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long page! 

message: I have adjusted the wording for Rebecca Romero ace achievement today as there have been multi-sport winners in the Winter Olymipics but according to the BBC not in the Summer Olympics see here. I have also removed the statement re only second woman in history to will medals in two different sports as there are a number of these but maybe in relation to the Summer Olympics only, this is I suspect only a small group and worth noting if it can be checked out.
I think references should be added to support statements here and provide access to further information so will try and add these. Welcome others to join in. Tmol42 (talk) 17:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes Section - Rebecca Romero Medalist in two Olympic Sports / References 

message: There are certain names in bold in the rowing tables, and other names not bolded. That can be considered a NPOV violation. Is there a good reason why the names are bold?  AcroX  13:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are medal winners. This is the same for all sports, not just rowing. Yboy83 (talk) 13:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolded Names in Rowing 

message: Some athletics results have been listed as personal or season best times. These are all unreferenced, are almost certainly not completed for all the athletes and are not mention for other sports. I think they should be removed but wanted to check with other users before doing so. basement12 (talk) 16:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for removing them. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto. Yboy83 (talk) 19:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm sure they could be added for all sports, but in atheltics especially (and swmming to some extend) PBs/SBs seem to be a heavily focused on and will be easy to find references for. I'm not so sure it would be easy to find referneces for many other sports (e.g. rowing). That shouldn't stop us including them in the article where we can find references though - with the aim of including them for every sport should references be found/be actualyl something that is actually measures. 78.86.183.220 (talk) 18:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are heavily focused on, mostly in talk between tv hosts and during interviews with the athletes, but are not really relevant to the olympics. Obviously they belong on the athlete's pages but they have no bearing on what is being discussed in this article. Basement12 (talk) 18:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, athletes' individual pages are the place for personal best information - in a few weeks/months, they could well post new personal bests, and I doubt anyone is going to come back to this article to remove the PB notation. Yboy83 (talk) 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: PB/SB in athletics

message: Minor proposal: we adjust the subheadings of Canoeing and Cycling to:
    * 7 Canoeing
          o 7.1 Flatwater
          o 7.2 Slalom
    * 8 Cycling
          o 8.1 BMX
          o 8.2 Mountain bike
          o 8.3 Road
          o 8.4 Track
Equestrian is already in this format, and I have seen this on a few of the other nations pages too. Yboy83 (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Had the same thought myself about 5 minutes ago but kept getting edit conflicts so gave up. Go for it. Basement12 (talk) 11:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section headings/subheadings 

message: Now that the events in many sports are drawing to a close I think its a good idea to write short paragraphs summing up the British performance in each. I've had a go at one for track cycling and would like some opinions both on the idea and what i've written. Basement12 (talk) 18:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary Paragraphs 

message: While I appreciate that medallist is the correct British-English spelling the spelling medalist is in common use in Britain and is the one used on ALL  etc wikipedia olympic pages and this article should be consistent. Basement12 (talk) 20:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:ENGVAR-Strong national ties to a topic. See section here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Medalist vs. Medallist. Yboy83 (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Got to agree with Yboy83 on this one.  Haven't changed back as it's in danger of becoming an edit war and I think a consensus needs to be reached first. Dpmuk (talk) 20:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Agree with what you say but the problem is that it has now been noticed and as it would appear there's some disagreement it looks like a decison needs to be made.  I like the medal winners idea as it will solve this problem in a neutral way. Dpmuk (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Medallist" is correct but "medal winners" is a sensible compromise. – ukexpat (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: British article, British English. I thought that's how Wikipedia worked. The compromise is fine, but I just think it's using a phrase which isn't the first that comes to mind. Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I will change it to "medallist" this once (sorry if I seem a bit persistant, but I really am all for proper/British English), and will see what happens about it being changed back and the "medal winners" change... Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 19:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medalist vs Medallist 

message: Am I the only one thinking this new article that has been linked to from the 'Records' section of this article is redundant and should be suggested for deletion. It appears to be just a duplicate of the information on this article. Yboy83 (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only is it a duplicate it is wrongly named (its a list of NR, not PBs), unreferenced and factually wrong (all the NRs are listed under WRs). It should probably be nominated. Basement12 (talk) 12:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I have let User:Mazdamx5, who is the sole editor of the article, know about this discussion on their talk page. Basement12 (talk) 15:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[British Personal Bests at the 2008 Summer Olympics]] 

message: Other than the fact it needed special permission to take place does this have anything whatsoever to do with the 2008 Summer Olympics? Its not part of the games in any case so I don't think it belongs here. Basement12 (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wushu? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose - this has already been discussed many times, see links in discussion section below. Basement12 (T.C) 13:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - we just have to ask: "why not?" --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I've now adapted the lede of the article to reflect the fact that the team reprsents GB & NI, hopefully this will serve as a suitable compromise. Basement12 (T.C) 17:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One Olympian has moved from Team GB to the Ireland team in recent years - it simply depends who they choose to compete for, so the British/Irish/dual citizenship issue shouldn't be an issue here. We shouldn't use it as a reason not to use the name "Northern Ireland" anyway.- --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

text: By Republic, I mean the Republic of Ireland, not any other one. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes they do - Wendy Houvenhagel (who won silver in the track cycling) comes from NI. . And if you can't believe the BOA's website, who can you believe? DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Is this needed? I haven't seen it prior to today and we were fine without it. Surely the sortable table for all medals would cover such a table. And, on my browser at least, it overlaps the main table of medallists. Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 16:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Works well if you have a very wide screen! but I dont think it really adds any value to the article all the information is listed under each discipline further down. Support deletion. MilborneOne (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't think its needed. In addition to all the ifo being under each sports section the number of medals per sport is summarised in the targets section. Basement12 (T.C)
I added this this morning as a similar table was shown on the BBC coverage and I felt it was an interesting way to display the data.  I've considered merging it with the targets table though, as there is obvious overlap between the two, and I suspected it could be problematic on smaller screens.  Perhaps the "Targets" section could be renamed "Medals by Discipline and Targets" (or similar).  What do people feel about this?  Personally I think it's nice to have the medals summarised in this way, rather than having to piece this information together from other tables, but I understand if people feel it doesn't add enough value to weigh up with any negatives. Lukens (talk) 17:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I would also argue that the table adds as much, if not more, value as the 'Daily: Overall Medals' table does.Lukens (talk) 17:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Daily overall medals will probably be removed after the games. See Wikiproject olympics - day by day medal tables. - Basement12 (T.C) 18:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You could try expanding the target table as you suggested, we can always change it back if it looks confusing! MilborneOne (talk) 19:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I feel that the medals by sport table is much more useful than the medals by day, and would rather have the former than the latter (which you can get by sorting the main list) Bluap (talk) 05:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medals by Discipline" 

message: On 2008 Summer Olympics, it says GB has 312 competitiors, as does the infobox, but the lead section says 311. I assume the lead is wrong because 168 men plus 143 women equals 312, but the math for the total delegation with either number is wrong because 236 officials plus 311/312 competitors is 547 or 548, not 549 like the lead says.  Reywas92Talk 14:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the numbers so they are consistent, unfortunatley the 2 sources used (no's 2+3), both from the official Team GB website are inconsistent. One says 311 athletes the other 313. I've gone for 311 as the source for this is the actual list of competitors. Basement12 (T.C) 14:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There were originally 313 competititors named but Frankie Gavin and Alex Nelson withdrew without competing and were not replaced. If you add all the competitors and a few extrarelay squad members you should get 311. Topcardi (talk) 00:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number discrepancies 

message: The article states that the BOA revised the medal target to 20 medals on the 20th August. Apart from the Times article I couldn't find any other references to a new target. The article actually says "...British Olympic officials have set their sights on a final count of 20." which is, I think, quite different from setting a new target. Unless anyone objects I'll rewrite the text here in the next day or so. Spuddock (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Took me ages to remember but I have changed the section on the revised target as I've done more digging and can't find another reference other than the Times article. Spuddock (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Targets

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