Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon/O-vanish

message: How about quoting the Big O like any other printed source -- an unadorned author, article title, page number & date? For example, Richard Rheinhard, "Yes, I am an unimaginative, Right-wing hack whom no one reads, not even other Conservatives," The Oregonian (1 April, 2007), p. 40D. -- llywrch 19:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good point.  The newspaper article itself is the source.  The URL is simply a convenience link to an online copy of the source.  Even if the link dies, the source is still valid.  --SSBohio 20:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, only just noticed this discussion! I use The Oregonian as a source in WP articles all the time, in exactly this manner. My central point here isn't that the O. is unusable in Wikipedia -- it is certainly usable in Wikipedia -- but that the Oregonian does the state of Oregon a disservice by making its stories difficult to find online, even for those willing to pay for them. -Pete (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

message: Pete, great work on this. I'm not around much but pop in from time to time to look at articles and do small edits. Glad to see someone is staying on top of the latest developments. Davidpdx (talk) 03:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks David, it's always nice to see you 'round the wiki -- I do often notice, even if I don't say anything =) Did you catch my interview on OPB by chance? It's archived here, it's a pretty good read/listen if I may say so... http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/encyclopedic-ambitions/ -Pete (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great work 

message: This essay has been out of date for at least 3 years now, it appears to me, and I've been intending to post a note here or on Pete's talk page for some time, but didn't get around to it until now.  The main, lead "section" of this page, especially, mostly written in 2007, is very outdated. All Oregonian articles have remained available for free for at least 30 days (changed from 14) since late 2009 or 2010, and as far as I have observed, it is actually more common for them to remain available (in their entirety) for 2-3 years or more (!). Also, old URLs now virtually always redirect to an excerpt of the article after it becomes "archived" and no longer free. They almost never vanish without a trace anymore; I think The O. fixed that problem about 3-4 years ago.  I can think of other reasons to criticize The Oregonian, but this is definitely no longer one of them.  Nowadays, they appear to do better than most other big-city newspapers in this regard.  SJ Morg (talk) 08:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update on this. Since I'm less active on Oregon issues these days I had not noticed that it was consistently better. However, when I last checked it was their policy to delete articles (written up in their Terms of Use, or similar) after a few months, even though they didn't actively do so. Before deleting this page entirely, I'd like to check whether that is still the case - i.e., whether they have simply fallen behind on something they intend to do when they get around to it/hire a qualified intern/etc. Or whether they are actually doing better on this. Perhaps a small detail, but it seems worth checking out. -Pete (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There's no great urgency, and I don't know that deletion of this page even needs to be considered, especially since it is linked from numerous archived talk pages.  I was thinking more of an update to the main (lead) section. ... after you've had time to check it out a little more, to see whether your experience (with the O's site now) differs from mine.  No rush.  SJ Morg (talk) 10:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very out of date