Talk:High King of Ireland

message: I have reverted again. 
*(i) the article is not written in house style; 
*(ii) If there is a holder of copyright on this text, as  195.92.168.168 states, then by definition it is a copyright violation even if it was the owner of the copyright who placed it here, as it has not been released in accordance with the rules of wikipedia. It could only stay here if the copyright holder waved copyright completely, in effect allowing copyright to be owned by everyone who edits the site and visits the site here communally and in perpetuity. The owner of the website may not be aware that in putting the text here he would in effect be giving up all ownership and it would become all our property to edit and change at will. FearÉIREANN 17:27, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for reversion 

message: * (i) Then edit it into house style rather than wiping it back to a very inferior version.
**    See comments above re wikifying.
**    The title does not appear in the body so no boldening is indicated.
* (ii) Then lets sort out the permissions that are required (which are a mere formality) rather than wiping back, etc
This page was wiped before because nobody bothered to check for permission. Try being constructive rather than destructive and point out what is required rather than getting paranoid about supposed copyright issues 195.92.168.169 23:07, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response 

message: The article does not sound like a NPOV encyclopedia article.  Rather than giving all the viewpoints regarding the office of the High King, the article begins by (somewhat rudely) refuting all opposing viewpoints.  I do not know enough about the subject to make any changes, but it needs to be addressed.
* I think the non-neutral heading should be removed because the article reflects the current state of knowledge (see linked article for instance). An article concerning the Earth would move swiftly on from outdated concepts such as 'flat earth' and 'heavenly spheres' and so does this one. I don't see what the problem is 195.92.168.175 21:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV heading

message: I think it would help if those wishing to change the article give supporting citation here. This will allow us to discriminate between the serious and the frivolous. 195.92.168.176 10:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article as it stands is covered by citation to the external link at the foot of the article. 195.92.168.176 10:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Does the Irish version really take the dative (Ard Rí Éirinn, 'high king to Ireland') rather than the genitive (Ard Rí na hÉireann, 'high king of Ireland')? The first is certainly conceivable (think of German Herzog zu Sachsen), but apart from Wikipedia mirrors, websites seem to prefer Ard Rí ar Éirinn or more frequently Ard Rí na hÉireann. Anybody know for sure? QuartierLatin1968  19:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rest are either modern back-translations from English or modern Gaelic forms. The version here is better (but rí Érenn would apparently be better yet). "OF Ireland" is wrong to begin with. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 21:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Érenn is genitive too, n'est-ce pas? It's just the older spelling of Éireann, I thought... QuartierLatin1968  14:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks more like a dative to me, but how could you tell a proper dative from a dative-looking locative anyway ? Angus McLellan  (Talk) 16:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brian Boru was self-styled as Emperor of the Irish, the people as distinct from the island.78.16.49.194 (talk) 09:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Dative?

message: Isn't there evidence of a similar system in Scotland?--MacRusgail 18:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not for sacral kingship, at least in terms of reliable sources. For the other eras, warlords like Domnall mac Áedo, early kings of Ireland like Máel Sechnaill and Flann Sina, and later ones like Brian Boru, all have equivalents in Scotland. The drowning of kings is reliably attested in Scotland, Onuist/Óengus had at least two rivals drowned in the 730s, and there's every reason to suppose that Pictish and Irish kingship and society were pretty similar. Irish poets certainly thought so. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 20:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s. Forgot to state that "High King" and "Ard Ri" redirect here, hence my comment. --MacRusgail 15:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why just Ireland? 

message: Both Wikipedia and Encyclopaedia Britannia say that Brian Boru was the High King of Ireland, so it can't all have been a fiction. As it is, this article violates WP:NEUTRAL, not to mention WP:FRINGE. -Blue-Haired Lawyer 16:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've rewritten the bit about Brian Boru to take out a lot of the POV and I've added some references. i also deleted the bit about Brian having designs on the throne of Scotland. If anyone wants to put that back, add a reference - i've never heard this before and it seems most unlikely.Steve3742 (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: There's a lot of material in this article which is not directly relevant to the concept of the High Kingship. I propose a new article on Early Irish kingship which would be the appropriate place for discussion of laws of succession and sacral kingship (articles on Sacral kingship and the Sovreignty goddess, which are features of numerous cultures, would also be advantageous. --Nicknack009 (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah - sacral kingship already exists as a redirect to Sacred king. --Nicknack009 (talk) 08:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs rewriting/reorganising 

message: This is getting ridiculous. The fact (and it is a fact) that Ireland was not a politically unified state under he High Kings is unrelated to the fact that the High Kings did not always manage to extend their authority over the whole island. The reference provided by User:86.188.201.211, a link to the bare text of the Annals of Ulster, does not provide any comment one way or the other on either issue. There is no "disagremeent among scholars" (and "disagreement among scholars" is in any case a weasel phrase) on this issue, and our anonymous friend has not cited any scholars in support of his contention that there is. I have attempted to accommodate ignorant one-track editors like this before, and it has never been productive, but I have been threatened with a block for "edit warring" if I revert again. I am therefore at a loss as to what to do to restrain this editor's disruptive behaviour, and have no choice but to leave it to others. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The latest sets of edits seem to lack secondary sources, and at best feel like OR. Let's see the editor concerned is willing to come to the talk page to discuss constructively. If not, then I'll revert. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. You might wish to revert the latest edit by User:Trackteur, who has twice removed a piped link and left the article reading "ruling from Hill of Tara", which is obviously poor English. I have reverted once, but he's just reinstated it with no edit summary, and I'm not giving anybody any excuse to accuse me of edit-warring again. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite wise. How about you leave Trackteur a message on his talk page, pointing him in the direction of the discussion here and inviting him to comment? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Already left him a message. --Nicknack009 (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Ta. Will see if he replies... Hchc2009 (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Politically unified state" 

message: For the most part historic figures are known by an English rendering of their name. I don't know what rule means that we should use either the ancient or modern Gaelic instead of English. That is they should be referred to by the name they are most well-known by in the English speaking world. To do otherwise is confusing especially as the use of Gaelic names is not consistent. 2.247.251.213 (talk) 07:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are the names all in Gaelic?  

message: What does this phrase mean? In normal current use, these are synonyms as verbs. Is there some difference in connotation here I'm not aware of? Urutapu (talk) 20:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "rule rather than reign"