Talk:Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter

message: There needs to be more history in regards to their split from the SSPX and the controversies. Many Catholics do not consider the priests ordained since 1988 to be valid. Many FSSP priests accept RCIA and the Novus Ordo mass. They pick-and-choose what pre-Conciliar rules to follow. For example, they accept without question Vatican II, annulments, the John Paul II catechism, and they share churches. It's not clear which priests are validly vs invalidly ordained. It seems they share the Eucharist with Novus Ordo priests without reservation. They are directly obedient to the local Novus Ordo bishops and give money to the local bishops, unlike SSPX or other Catholic groups who operate totally outside of the Conciliar Church. It would be good to make it clear that FSSP has the appearance of traditions in some ways, but that they fully accept and are in communion with the Conciliar Church. This is a major issue because they broke away from SSPX, and the whole purpose of the SSPX was to have valid bishops and sacraments, and FSSP has totally abandoned the principle instead to have the facade of traditionalism, while totally accepting the new faith of Vatican II. Many laymen are fooled into thinking the FSSP is somehow fully traditional, while ignoring all these issues where they pick-and-choose what to accept as valid or not valid.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.144.200.122 (talk) 22:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: This is not a fundamentalist group, certainly not in the Christian sense of the word "Fundamentalism", which typically acknowledges a literal, plain reading of the Bible as the only authority in Christianity.  The FSSP has the typical Catholic view of juggling a wide range of authoritative documents, including Church Doctors and Fathers, Holy Tradition, Papal promulgations, and ecumenical councils, as well as the incorporation of various philosophical systems into Christianity.  The FSSP accepts the decrees of the Second Vatican Council and they are in full communion with the Popes since that council.  They are distinctive becasue they use the old Rites and artistic traditions of of the Catholic Church.  If the implication of the term 'Fundamentalist' is 'reactionary', then the categorization of "Christian fundamentalism"  is NPOV.  --02:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsigned comment

message: Can someone give the current member numbers, please? --Benedikt 07:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to their website , they have 300 members consisting of 180 priests, 13 deacons and 107 seminarians. NuncAutNunquam Talk 01:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member numbers 

message: This group is accused of including antisemitic prayers in their masses, at least in some instances (e.g. reported by Der Spiegel 8/2009). Could somebody more knowledgeable please provide more detail? 71.142.254.57 (talk) 02:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusations of antisemitism 

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message: there is not any thing about camp St Peter in the black hills.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.250.84.10 (talk) 18:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: more info

message: This section seems to have taken over the entire article. Perhaps listing every parish that the F.S.S.P. is unneccessary. (Imagine if the article for Order of Friars Minor did the same!) Wikipedia is not a directory or a phone book. I think it would suffice to condense the section into maybe a few very important parishes (but how to decide that), or just a digestion like: "The F.S.S.P. runs parishes and mass centres in the following countries, provinces, and states..." Opinions? — AlekJDS talk 03:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed it, Wikipedia is NOT a directory.  If the church is notable, then a link might be acceptable, but we do not list every Church that is FFPS.---Balloonman Poppa Balloon 23:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: List of parishes and mass centres

message: Notice how any edits regarding the true history of the FSSP and criticisms from the much larger SSPX are removed from the page. There is no mention of the FSSP saying the New Mass, no mention of the questionable ordinations, no mention of Rome appointing a modernist to lead the FSSP in 2000. All of these edits have been deleted as "unreliable", but unreliable according to the editor seems to mean "pages we do not like."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.144.200.122 (talk) 18:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see from my edit summary, the sources are not reliable secondary sources and so the edits are not acceptable on Wikipedia. Find valid sources and I have no problem. Elizium23 (talk) 20:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Elizium23 has declared that sources are valid so long as he personally thinks they're valid (i.e. Fallacy of Authority). He's decided that any links originating from SSPX, the parent organization of FSSP, are not reliable by definition. He will only accept articles that are in support of the position of the FSSP (i.e. articles originating from within the Conciliar Church) and that any positions contrary to the beliefs the FSSP are invalid. Considering that the leadership of the FSSP got its priesthood from the SSPX, that SSPX is a larger and global organization (SSPX has far more Masses and priests), and that the SSPX was founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who was a well-known archbishop and the biggest name in all of traditional Catholicism, it's bizarre (to say the least) that the SSPX is not considered a reliable source. This is pure bias and whitewashing of the wikipedia page by this person styled as Elizium23. I would assume they are connected to the FSSP, whereas I do not attend SSPX chapels. He would likely readily dismiss any source that is outside of the Conciliar Church, no matter the source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.144.200.122 (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This IP has been blocked for personal attacks. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Editors are whitewashing the wiki page

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