Talk:Eurasian eagle-owl

message: Is the all capitalization correct for this bird's name? -- Zoe
:Moved. --mav
Should there be linkage to greek goddess Athena's pet owl "Bubo"?
:Good idea. Be bold yada yada.... --LiamE 10:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. ;o) dllu (talk) 07:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Can there be a rference put in concerning the reintroduction of Eagle Owls to England, which went unoticed for over 6 years. Now there are successful breeding pairs in northern England.
:As I understand it - and I did a bit of research on it last night - its no so much a reintroduction as a repopulation by escaped (ringed) birds. As these birds were native to Britain until relatively recently it is not too surprising that they will survive happily and even breed as they have reportedly been doing. Sightings of these birds are common if still a little shocking to those unaware of their presence. There was a piece on this on radio 4 last night but I missed it - can anyone fill me in on what it said? Owners of cats and small dogs should start to worry, methinks. Now if only one would take up residence near me to get rid of all those pesky pigeons... --LiamE 10:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much 86.13617.159! Annoyingly I missed the program but what you've written about it ties in with what I've found. Aparently there was a reintroduction program in Germany a few years back which was successful and numbers increased quite rapidly. Increases (from what level I don't know) were soon seen in the Low Countires and it is thought that the increase there was a mix of escapes and westward migration of some of the German birds and/or their offspring. As for the birds preferring rocky habitat I think this may in fact be a slight fallacy in that if left alone by man (its only real threat) it would live anywhere where there is safe nesting and abundant food - a forest (or even an urban park) with a very large unpredated population of rabbits etc would be excellent habitat for them one would have thought. It might well be that they choose these rocky areas to stay away from man. Apparently they are able to hunt well in any forest that is not too dense (due to their size) and often choose to settle in ares of broken forest and open areas. They are found from the Sahara to Siberia so are obvioulsly not too fussy about habitat if left to their own devices. As for Victorians not being able to identify them - well that just sounds like rubbish to me. Weren't the Victorians avid collectors of birds eggs? How could they have done this without being able to identify and differentiate between species of birds? And what on earth could you possibly confuse it with? A barn owl? More likely a barn door. As for whether or not they have ever been present in the country at all, well it would seem very odd to me if a young bird looking for new territory would never have made the short flight across the channel of its own accord despite easily being able to see from one side to the other. Not to mention the fact that is warmer in the winter this side of the channel and therefore there is more prey. As for their possible threat to other species again this sounds like rubbish. The numbers of of predators and prey reaches equilibrium without either becomming extinct except when our influence comes to bear. The "damage" to wildlife caused by even a few hundred large owls is frankly insignificant compared to the damage done to ecosystems by domestic cats - the only animal where a single specimin caused the extinction of a species. To my mind there would be some poetic justice in a bird going after cats for a change. Anyway - I'll do some more research and try to colloate it all into a reintroduction / repopulation section for the artclie over the next week or so - any more info gladly accepted. I'll also expand the habitat info and add some detail on range. --LiamE 13:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reintroduction 

message: Yet another case of animal size exaggeration: the wingspan is nowhere near 200 cm, but rather 138–170 cm (according to Mullarney, Svensson & Zetterström). Also, it's quite clearly smaller than the Golden Eagle (1.6–4.2 kg vs. 2.8–6.7 kg). --Anshelm '77 23:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wingspan of up to 2m is supported in several online sources I have looked at, please bear in mind they have a vast range and the largest are only found to the northeastern extremity of their range, which is not in Europe, making your source questionable. Yes a female golden eagle is significantly larger than a male eagle owl but on the other hand a female eagle owl is typically a bigger bird than a male golden eagle. The comparison is there as an aid for people that know few birds, not as the most accurate possible size similarity. The golden eagle has a huge range and is well know outside of the field. Few other birds of prey of this size are. --LiamE (talk) 14:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The article is genarally poor and it does not mention subspecias at all. Please proceed and make a subspecies section. I would like to contribute on the subject with info by a birds' identification guide, but I am not sure if it is violation of copyrights.--94.69.241.213 (talk) 21:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballooned stats 

message: I checked up a couple of books from the University of Lapland Library, The Birds of the Western Palearctic. Volume IV. Terns to Woodpeckers. (Cramp 1985) and The Birds of the Soviet Union. Vol. 1. (Dementiev & Gladkov 1951) to be more specific.
Wing lengths according to Cramp:
*B. b. bubo #1 ♂ 430–453 mm (avg. 444 mm n=9) ♀ 463–513 mm (avg. 482 mm n=12)
*B. b. bubo #2 ♂ 435–480 mm (avg. 448 mm n=23) ♀ 455–500 mm (avg. 473 mm n=29)
*B. b. sibiricus ♂ 435–480 mm (avg. 456 mm n=9) ♀ 472–515 mm (avg. 491 mm n=8)
Of the subspecies included in both sources (the ones found within the areas of Western Palearctic and former Soviet Union, although classification may have changed since then) sibiricus averages largest in wing length. Compared to Cramp's sample with the lower values, ruthenus and turcomanus appear to average larger than nominate bubo as well, however neither exceed the maximum (513 mm) achieved by bubo. In fact, Dementiev et al. put the nominate form's maximum at 520 mm, while Cramp's figures for sibiricus cited Dementiev. The only wingspan I found for sibiricus was 1,586 mm by Dementiev for a single specimen. Though the full spans by Cramp (160–188 cm) and Dementiev (1,550–1,800 mm for bubo) best be treated unreliable, and inferior to Mullarney et al.
The 138–170 cm range in wingspan by Mullarney et al. may already include sibiricus, as it's found on the Ural region on the edge of the WP area. At the most generous, the wing length of sibiricus (female average) can be called 3.8 % greater than that of bubo (lower value female average by Cramp). If the range is presumed to exclude sibiricus, with the 3.8 % differential applied to span – which may or may not yield correct results – it would still put the maximum of sibiricus at a mere 176 cm; a far cry from 200 cm. These figures may have been exceeded by an extraordinarily large individual, but unlikely by a margin of nearly 18 %.
--Anshelm '77 (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is genarally poor and it does not mention subspecias at all. Please proceed and make a subspecies section. I would like to contribute on the subject with info by a birds' identification guide, but I am not sure if it is violation of copyrights.--94.69.241.213 (talk) 21:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: More info

message: Bubo as a word is much older than the middle ages, considering Vergil uses it in the Aenid (IV, 462). I've removed the unsubstantiated statement that the word is based on the owl's call.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.187.168 (talk) 12:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Encourage the Uhu to setup residence in GB, America, NZ, Australia, or South Africa and you'll probably have a popular English name.--Eostrix  (🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 13:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name origin 

message: Could it be that the Eagle-owl is the owl that is depicted in the cave engraving at Chauvet France? Photos of the engraving look like the depicted owl has two prominent tufts of feathers on its head like this owl does. Just a thought.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.112.60 (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While its one thing to jump in a car and come face to face with bears and bobcats I still dare say there would be a vocal contingent of city dwellers who would get upset by them when they go and take their dog for a walk in the local park and find an owl there that is looking at their pet as dinner! Cases of that happening have come out in the news over the last couple of years here. Also you'd be suprised how many peregrins now live in London eating the pigeons. Rats and sparrows would be harder to come by as rats hide in sewers and the sparrow population has crashed. As for taking other birds of prey as I understand it they are not preferred prey (which is normally rabbits and such) but rather the eagle owl will not tolerate competition from them in its range. --LiamE (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could it be? 

message: Just a detail. Crete is well documented to have eagle owls, but it is excluded by the distribution map. I'll provide link about it soon. --Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution range 

message: * Eurasian Eagle-owl → Eurasian Eagle-Owl
* Pharaoh Eagle-owl → Pharaoh Eagle-Owl
* Cape Eagle-owl → Cape Eagle-Owl
* Spotted Eagle-owl → Spotted Eagle-Owl
* Greyish Eagle-owl → Greyish Eagle-Owl
* Fraser's Eagle-owl → Fraser's Eagle-Owl
* Spot-bellied Eagle-owl → Spot-bellied Eagle-Owl
* Barred Eagle-owl → Barred Eagle-Owl
* Shelley's Eagle-owl → Shelley's Eagle-Owl
* Verreaux's Eagle-owl → Verreaux's Eagle-Owl
* Dusky Eagle-owl → Dusky Eagle-Owl
* Akun Eagle-owl → Akun Eagle-Owl
– IOC capitalizes Eagle and Owl and uses hyphen for this group of birds.  Requesting move to synch with IOC spelling. Pvmoutside (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Jafeluv (talk) 13:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: This article should be summarized here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dietary biology of the Eurasian eagle-owl]] 

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