Talk:Name

message: The lead is currently (28.7 Dec 2008) too long and inclusive and fails in its purpose: to succinctly but accurately define the subject. The word easily gets us into philosophical hair-splitting, which is not appropriate in a lead. Better to briefly define it, point out the deeper implications of the concept, and list the various subtypes of a name.
The lead currently begins with "A name is a label for a noun..........".  I don't think so. If it's a label, it's a label for a thing or concept, not for a noun. But even "label" is not a good choice of words because that connotes a physical object (a name tag) more than "name" does. 
How about:
A name is a word or phrase that identifies something. The "something" being identified can be a specific person, animal, object, place, or idea or it can be a general class or group of such entities. 
The concept expressed by this word is a basic one in language (grammar, semantics, and lexicography) and philosophy (metaphysics and epistemology).
In English grammar, a name is expressed as a noun or noun phrase.
[Then on to a discussion of the subtypes: proper name, general name, personal name, etc.]
Frappyjohn (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The lead

message: The article claims that there are "at least three" series of parallel streets that are named alphabetically in San Francisco, but I can only think of one series, the Sunset District streets referenced direectly in the article.  Could somebody please clarify where the other two series are?The Opressed One 19:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They cross each other in Bayview: Coleman Donahue Earl Fitch Griffith Hawes Ingalls Jennings Keith Lane Mendel Newhall Phelps Quint Rankin Selby Toland Upton, versus Burke Custer Davidson Evans Fairfax Galvez Hudson Innes Jerrold Kirkwood LaSalle McKinnon Newcomb Oakdale Palou Quesada Revere Shafter Thomas Underwood VanDyke Wallace Yosemite Armstrong Bancroft Carroll Donner Egbert Fitzgerald Gilman Hollister Ingerson Jamestown Key LeConte Meade. (Thomas Guide 2003) —Tamfang (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: San Francisco example

message: Plato in the stylus discusses two types of philosophical views on names, namely naturalism that all names have inherent meaning and another view in which names are purely the convention of societies. If I had the time I'd summarize the work and its relevance to meaning here but I'm extremely surprised that Kripke and Russell are mentioned before Plato.
someone should rectify it..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.196.209 (talk) 04:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plato in the Philosophical Discussion

message: i'd suggest a disambiguity step: named - interned domain name server daemon.
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It seems to be that the external link "Copernicus Consulting - Trademark & Naming Experts" is less of a useful link and more of an advertisement for a service. 
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It seems like the names of person section should be in a separate article, but Personal name is misleading, since the term is commonly a synonym for the first name.  Name of a person is graceless but accurate.  Also, Arabic name etc should be something like Names of Arabic persons or some such since they don't say anything about the naming of places or objects. Stan 07:32 31 May 2003 (UTC)
: I agree completely. I'm starting Human names. Akb4 20:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the Name density of everyone. Please go to that topic and edit it.
Elf | Talk 00:39, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  uncharted pieces 

message: "the word name is also used for cow(Bos taurus) killing in New York"
This doesn't sound to me like it means anything.  Delete?
Similar names are an interesting anomaly in the English language and for that matter culture. Names like Janice and Deborah can be, for all practical purposes, be considered similar to one. Conversely, uncommon names, like Chad, do not actually exist in the real world. The essence of fiction.
:That was an eminent example of a mild and loony WP:VANDAL joke. I don't know when you said that, because you forgot to sign your posts with ~~~~, so therefore I took the oportunity to explain the pretty obvious. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone said spam?

message: Can the intro be fixed by someone more knowledgable, as to whether it includes named non-living entities or not? For example the following:
* "My dog's name is Jim"
* "That building is Buckingham Palace"
* "The planet's name is Jupiter"
FT2 (Talk) 10:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper names, in intro 

message: I'm rewriting the bit about nyc street names. Right now it reads:
:In Manhattan, street names are numbers and East-West streets are "Streets" whereas North-South streets are "Avenues". 
I think this would be pretty rough to read for many people, especially if they aren't totally fluent in English. Akb4 19:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nyc example 

message: I hate to be well, how do you say, technical, or overtly politically correct, but...
The line which reads that "naming" is a "verbal" label, sort of struck me as odd. Because language has a wide variety of adaptations, some of which are non-verbal, such as ASL, better known as American Sign Language, commonly used by the Deaf or Hard of Hearing, I have taken out the word "verbal".  Also, almost every culture around the world has used visual, facial, or body cues to express ideas, and/or emotions.  These are also non-verbal elements.  A deaf person does have the ability to name things. 
Thanks, Ryver wolf
69.245.175.43 04:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The word verbal seems to have taken over from oral in popular language, because oral gives some people the giggles, but the root verbum means word.  The elements of sign language are words – discrete arbitrary signs – even though their medium is different.  —Tamfang 06:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verbal Usage for naming? 

message: Why is DOG names linked from this page?
: Why not?  —Tamfang 02:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cynonymy 

message: I have removed the above section, which had the text: 
: Recently, research has demonstrated a long-speculated concept in animal communication - that at least one species other than humans use symbolic, personal, names. At present this has been identified only in dolphins, who use whistling communication to convey information including the equivalent of personal names. The names are specific to individuals, who will respond even when the voice, speaker, inflection and other cues are removed from the sound. .
This is a misleading summary of the research. In reality, dolphins do not use whistles in any sense remotely similar to the human use of names.  What the research showed was mere that a dolphin can identify another dolphin by listening to the other dolphin's personal whistle.  Dolphins do not then go on to use other dolphins' whistles to refer to that dolphin or anything of the sort. 
See Language Log's summary. — Haeleth Talk 09:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal use of names 

message: Why is section "Use of names" repeated twice on screen now (20:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubled first section 

message: There are two links to Wikipedia:Naming conventions. One ought to be removed, but which one: the one at the top (because it is more on-topic under the header) or the one under the naming conventions header (because it's not helpful if Wikipedians can't access it easily)? --Gray PorpoiseYour wish is my command! 22:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-reference 

message: Before you read, please understand that this section could connect to the category, "Names." Shakespeare is an example of a famous name. This information will just make a point that we use such terms for figurative language.
William, the Bard of Avon, 1564–1616, English poet and dramatist.
This name, "Shakespeare" can be used in figurative language. When used, it mostly means power, skills, ability, and knowledge, and might tag along with a few other meanings. This means we can use famous names in idioms, metaphors, and similes to spice up our sentences!
Example Sentences:
*He says, “When you tackle Shakespeare’s great roles you change on a cellular level, so the place is filled with adrenalized memories for me.”
From Washington Blade
*The Shakespeare project, which Elizabeth had first encountered as a young woman in 1916, now seems like a minor side project compared to her other achievements.
From Time
*Maybe if we never started burning fossil fuel, civilization would have continued along the path it was traveling in Shakespeare’s time, 400 years ago.
From Nautilus
*It’s this algorithm that, you know, you give it a few words and it will spit out paragraphs and paragraphs of what looks convincingly like Shakespeare or whatever else you tell it to do.
From MIT Technology Review
*My trip takes the reverse path, and I begin by assessing the depth of my Shakespeare knowledge in his birthplace.
From The Daily Beast
Information from: Dictionary.comDictionary.com
Sources used: Washington BladeWashington Blade, From TimeFrom Time, NautilusNautilus, MIT Technology ReviewMIT Technology Review, Daily BeastDaily Beast.
Image from: Wikipedia'sWikipedia article of William ShakespeareWilliam Shakespeare.
: Only the MIT example even approaches figurativity (unless the project mentioned in Time is not about Shakespeare or his works), and it does not suggest to me "power, skills, ability, and knowledge". By the way, you clearly don't know how to make <ref> tags useful. —Tamfang (talk) 00:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Shakespeare

message: I removed the external links - the ranking of name popularity in the U.S. and other western countries doesn't really add anything to the page in my opinion.  On top of that, the second external link had too much spam, as per WP:EL.  The following EL would be better, providing essentially the same information but from an official website and without the spam.  
Australian government database of names
WLU 17:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Naming used to be it's own article, but per discussion it was deleted (and theoretically merged with brand.  Because I've never done this before, I am including the text of the original article below so that better editors than I may ensure merge nirvana:
-Naming Process-
Naming is usually based on a clearly defined marketing strategy or business plan and includes not only creative development of a name, but also its sound harmony test, a comprehensive analysis of its perception by a target audience (including groups comprised of native speakers of different languages), identification of a degree of its novelty, measures of increasing its patent protection, and the patent protection itself. 
Professional development of a name also implies that the specialists involved in the name creation should take into consideration possibilities of its graphic design, its further use within the trade mark, elements of package design and company style.
-Result-
The intended result of the naming process is an actual word, newly coined pseudoword or various combinations of them that might not be easily pronounced or catchy, but have to meet the above criteria.
--Cjs56 05:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has very little to do with name to me, and a lot to do with 'brand' or 'branding'.  At most, I'd say two sentences with a  to brand.  WLU 13:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and upon a more thorough reading today, everything that should be in this article is already in this article and everything that should be in brand is in brand.  --Cjs56 23:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I rule :) Glad you approve, thanks for the info from naming.  WLU 13:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: See also Pseudonym#Name_in_religion
This section needs expanding into an article in its own write, but I cannot do it do to lack of access to sources! The name of a character in both mythology and in religion often identifies that character's function, if the translation of the name is known. Naming something is the first step in gaining control over it, which is why the naming of brands and of Wikipedia articles is an issue. Naming a child or animal and getting it to respond to that name is a first step in getting it to respond to verbal commands. Getting a child on the autistic spectrum to respond to its name is an issue. Naming the name of a god in order to gain control over it is definitely a religious issue. A superstitious issue is the bandying about of one's own, true name in the hearing of evil spirits that may bring about one's premature death; so, too, bandying it about in the hearing of law enforcement officials. Pawyilee 10:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your identification of names as a source of control is original research without a source; you might want to write your sourced, suggested additions on a sub page before placing it on the main page.  WLU 19:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I live in a remote province of Thailand with a sloooooooow Internet connection, and can't get to sources! I put this here as an appeal to someone who can. But, you don't have to look far for examples, such as the next time someone gives you an order, or you give an order someone else! Pawyilee 16:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Not having to look far requires using my own experience, which means using my own knowledge as a primary source, which is right out.  WLU 19:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I put this on the TALK page and NOT in the article! Pawyilee 14:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Best Google can do in the time wasted: not good enuf.
http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/mysticalnatureofnames.html By: Jeffry R. Palmer Ph.D. 
http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/essays/namep1.htm ANYARA-APHORISMS 
http://linguisticmystic.com/2006/07/30/this-post-left-unnamed-so-that-you-dont-have-power-over-it/
http://www.excommunicate.net/understanding-the-power-of-names
http://academicmaps.blogspot.com/2006/12/positive-power-of-names.html
http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgency/English/Jewish+Education/Compelling+Content/Worldwide+Community/Connecting+to+Community/The+Power+of+Names.htm
http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=2245 	ASK THE RABBI
The Real Camelot: Paganism and the Arthurian Romances, by John Darrah (Thames and Hudson)
Pawyilee 15:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If you want to make or edit the section, either do so, draft it here or on a user sub page and ask for feedback.  WLU 13:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Names in religious thought

message: Naming, in the Greek and Christian tradition of thought, is to be distinguished from an utterance. This name is called "logos" and should definitely be discussed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.107.91.99 (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lacks discussion of logos 

message: I do not believe that the Wikipedia "named" page should redirect to name.  Named should be a disambiguation page that shows both naming and "named".  If I am overruled on this, please consider adding something to the top of the name page or the disambiguation page.
"BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is the most commonly used DNS server on the Internet, especially on Unix-like systems, where it is a de facto standard." Source: BIND
"BIND ships on most Unix platforms, where it is most often also referred to as named (name daemon) and is the most widely deployed DNS server."  Source: Comparison of DNS server software#BIND
--GlenPeterson (talk) 05:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  named is the common name for the BIND name-daemon on Unix/Linux systems, not just the past tense of "to name" 

message: I guess someone decided to edit the article and mash on their keyboard in the process of that editting... so I took the liberty of undoing it.Dannydog3067 (talk) 23:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Dorje Pakmo#Names
http://www.namgyal.org/articles/names.cfm
: -- 88.75.206.136 (talk) 09:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept of naming in Buddhism 

message: There is currently neither a page nor any mention of the topic of names given to items, such as weapons, computers, or custom cars. There has to be a technical term for it; either that or it falls under an already listed catagory and needs to be referenced in that catagory's description. A good example of this type of name would be Bilbo Baggins's sword, "Sting" from the Lord of the Rings books.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wing Dairu (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Be welcome to, if you know of sources that deal with that interesting subtopic. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names Given to Items 

message: The section Naming convention deals with a lot of things that are not names and others that are. First of all: a star "name" such as "HR1877" is not considered a name by astronomers, but instead as a designation – maybe a linguist or a philosopher would disagree. However, I'm pretty sure that the philosophers, linguists and the other scientists agree that in science most of the "naming" is creating terms, which are not names, but instead standardized non-name nouns (so called NNN:s) (disregard that last thing). I don't exactly know how to improve the section, but anyone having an idea might be WP:BOLD – the article deserves WP:BOLD. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Another philosophical question: is a "name" that is extremely rarely used really a name? (It's not like an unused name simply is an object that has never been accessed, a name exists only if uttered). A "name" that is commonly used is certainly a name, a "name" never used is not a name, but a "name" that is only used once or twice? Isn't that a failed naming? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible confusion 

message: I don't see any mention of the system used by either NATO (for Sov aircraft) or RAF (for their own).  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  00:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming systems

message: This topic is very interesting.  An article could be written on J.R.R. Tolkien's alone.  I don't think it is important enough for this main article however.  I removed the totally uncited sections.  I hope someone starts an article on the topic. Steve Dufour (talk) 04:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional names

message: User Jaibhim is constantly posting pictures related with a community he is affiliated to, hence the images have been removed under Wikipedia:Conflict of interest Wikipedia:Vested interestNickelroy (talk) 00:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Jaibhim forcing pictures from his community into the article 

message: Nickelroy is constantly vandalizing Wikipedia articles. This user never followed WP:BRD. This user is contentiously Wikipedia:Harassment doing for me. This user never stated particular reasons for removing following photograph which is very much relevant to this article. For removing any information follow WP:BRD because image fulfill wiki policies and very much relevant to this article.
Discuss on talk page if image is irreverent for this article.
JAIBHIM5 (talk) 19:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickelroy is vandalizing by removing Name change movement photograph 

message: I think this article is really interesting, especially the biblical name section. I'd like to see a few more citations in this area and throughout. I also think a section containing information on historical naming trends might be interesting, especially in connection with the biblical information, as biblical naming tends to run in populations where faith is predominant, for instance many Catholics are named Mary or Marie. Keep up the good work!
MissCrystal907 (talk) 04:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming traditions

message: Ancient Indian i.e. Vedic culture has attributed great significance to names - name of Gods, name of humans, name of rivers, name of mountains, names of celestial objects etc.
All ancient names in India carry some meaning deeply linked to the language Sanskrit.
Some examples - Krishna meaning one who is black, one who attracts. Aditya meaning one who is in place from beginning, one whose mother is Aditi.
There was a system to identify name of parents, e.g. Son of Vasudeva is Vaasudeva. Son of Angirasa is Aangirasa.
So, any discussion on name is incomplete without mentioning the most ancient tradition in the world for names! Chirag Patel 17:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2019 

message: The society and the parents are extremely strict to show that they do not care at all about the individual. They don't allow the self-naming of the individual. It is legally permitted in some countries only if the original name sounds bad, or if there's proof of use of a different name.
Humanists (not atheohumanists, but their hypernymous group) propose:
# (ability to change name with improved laws) adults (18 years old) should be able to change their name
# (personal and official question the state will make) 24 year old citizens, should be personally asked if they want to change name
Still playing with the state would be illegal. One will not be able to change officially names many times (for practical reasons). They can use nicknames. The point isn't to play with the state but to promote the culture of self-naming. The culture of self-namegiving isn't tautological to allowing the self-namegiving; that's why myelinated 24 year old adults would have to be asked in person.
:: Is self-namegiving good, bad, ethical, unethical or neutral?
:: Are we slaves or animals to be named by others?
:: Anyone has a non-infinite range of knowledge and inner tendencies. Thus self-namegiving is still biased. Is it less biased to oppress the citizens? Don't we respect the self-identification?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8240:8C00:94C9:3C0C:F946:480E (talk) 14:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-namegiving controversy 

message: (1549h, 23 March 2021) A period is needed at the end of the first sentence of the "Naming conventions" section. Page is protected so I can't do it myself. Eastwood Blues (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syntax Housekeeping 

message: :
Is there another kind of siblings?  I believe in some languages a cousin is a "distant sibling" but in China they'd have the same generation name. —Tamfang (talk) 10:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  mediacy 

message: :
Weakly, and only in the late Empire, it seems from that article.  I'm going to remove this sentence.  There must be much better examples of rank expressed in names, from other cultures. —Tamfang (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman naming 

message: names are used more by others than yourself 2601:1C1:8681:6890:974:30C3:89D7:1308 (talk) 04:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2023 

message: Eu quero nome velho no esto bo gas 138.97.226.243 (talk) 16:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nome cermelho