Talk:Jacques Parizeau

message: The point is that Parizeau never went around the law, which is what the people who propagated this information attempted to do by putting in parallel what most people have no choice to do and what a rich man can buy. This is dishonest and defamatory.
Regarding the question of the "open choice", you are mistaken on the facts and your starting point is that any restriction on individual choice is wrong, which is a dogma. It is only normal and rational to restrict access to something that is detrimental to society. That's why I cannot go to a store and simply buy a gun, buy certain drugs I many wish to experiment with etc. Now, you probably wonder how "educating children in English" may be compared to buying a gun or doing drugs. It doesn't compare of course. I was only illustrating the principle that in our society, "freedom of choice" is not absolute. At some point, if the ability of individuals to choose "something" can have severe consequences on society, we rescrit it. Why is access to English public schools restricted in Quebec? Because in the current context of Quebec society, as a French speaking society inside an English-speaking country, on an English-Speaking continent, providing this "free" choice would lead over 90% of the immigrants it welcomes to choose those schools over French ones. There are even quantity of Francophone parents who would also prefer English schools. To explain you why this is fundamentally bad for Quebec, I won't be able to tell you in only a few simple sentences. You'll have to start studying the Language demographics of Quebec and grasp the concepts of linguistic assimilation, Language shifts etc. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not complete enough to teach you all this. Good readings to start with in my opinion are these two:
* Le Devoir article on the French language's real power of attraction in Quebec
* Standing joint committee on Official Languages in Ottawa (1998)
The first one is a translation I have done of a recent newspaper article published in Le Devoir, the second is the transcript of a public hearing featuring the author of the same article.
-- Mathieugp 22:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is leading away from Parizeau, I should point out, as someone who studied English, linguistics, pedagogy, and didactics, that one of the fondamental realities with languages is that children have an incredible ease at learning them, and focus ON one language in a school program does not mean focus OFF another, outside of time constraints. Never have my studies of English (or for that matter Latin, Spanish, or Japanese) impacted negatively on my knowledge of French. Quite the opposite. The objective of the MEQ ESL program is to teach children how to "get by" in an everyday situation, not be bilingual. And, except for present company, the objective is both grossly unattained and insignificant. The context of living in a world where English is the predominant language of international business over all others is simply too great to ignore. Not knowing English today is as much an impediment as not being able to read and write. I understand the point Mathieu and 70.81.245.118 are trying to make, but at the same time the larger picture cannot be forgotten, and immersion programs should not be frowned upon, but embraced, for French speakers. Arasaka 02:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open choice not necessarily good 

message: To clarify something, in French we say Premier ministre for all first ministers, provincial and federal. The distinction that is made between the provincial parliaments and the federal one in Canadian English is simply non-existent in Quebec French. At no point in history did Quebec consider the Parliament of the Dominion to be some sort of an imperial power above its head (the Parliament of London was more than enough). However, the politicians who pushed for the creation of the federal level of government certainly did everthing they could to make provincial politicians share this view, using all the political and economic powers they had at their disposal. They were largely successful in Englishs-speaking Canada, but a lot less in French-speaking Canada.
Certainly, the view that the federal parliament is the creation of the provinces and that it should not have any more powers than the ones explicitely defined in the constitution is shared by many people in the Anglophone provinces (not to mention in the US where such thought is almost consensual with regards to their own federal state). -- Mathieugp 21:24, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premier ministre de l'Alberta

message: In Québec, we used to say Prime Minister of Québec, at any occasion. But, I think it changed with Jean Charest, who changed for Premier. Probably he thought to have the same title than other Premier of Canada (which is very significative, and very symbolic). Anyway, the official title is now Premier and President of the Executive Council. I'm not sure what was the title during Parizeau, but I think it was Prime Minister of Québec.--Staatenloser 15:35, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premier or Primer Minister 

message: Is Parizeau anti-Semitic?  If citations were placed in the article, then he could be added to :Category:Anti-Semitic people.  Octopus-Hands 02:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-Semitic Beliefs

message: I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, although it requires more in-line citations and referencing. I have assessed this as low importance, as I do not feel that many people outside of Canada would be familiar with the subject of the article. Cheers, CP 16:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Money and the ethnic vote should be merged in here - that is, if any part of the quote is deemed especially relevant.  Frankly, I don't think it is - an external link via footnote would do the trick and anything from the preamble at the top of that page can be merged into Parizeau's article.  There is no need for the Money and the ethnic vote as it stands now. Bssc81 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should note that he actually said "L'argent et des votes ethniques", which is more properly translated as "money and (some) ethnic votes."  That doesn't necessarily mean the same as "money and the ethnic vote," which seems to be the common (though inaccurate) anglophone translation. 2602:306:CFEA:170:B447:2EFD:F732:AFF9 (talk) 01:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Someone with an IP in the rang 65.94.225.xx that does not want to sign up for an account has been changing 'separatist' to 'sovereigntist' in this article.  The reason this person gives is that the term separatist is pejorative.  I have never seen it to be, and it seems to be quite a bit clearler to me than sovereigntist.  What do others think?  Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've request semi-protection for the article. GoodDay (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been changed again without any discussion here.  I will revert it until there is consensus.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I do think we need a consensus before changing something that has been here a while.  I actually have no real problem with the change, but still.  My separatist friends have no problems calling themselves separatists, but that is obviously just an anecdote. Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I think those of us that live in Canada know what sovereigntist means, it means Quebec separatist.  However, do other, non Canadian English speaker know this word?  That is the question.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

text: That seems clunky, but it might do.  What do others think?  Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah I am fine with that. -Djsasso (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you're learning, Wassup54. Go to the discussion pages, when you wish to make a content change. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I still say it is clunky, but that is a style thing.  (I have been marking papers, bear with me...)  But the content is ok yeah.Dbrodbeck (talk) 03:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Separatist

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