Talk:Barlaam and Josaphat

message: I moved this page to make room for a page for Josaphat (king), one of the kings of Judah. --ESP 19:12, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Would that be Jehoshaphat? At any rate, I strongly suspect that at some point, Jehoshaphat's name got confused with the name of this character. It's the only explanation I can think of for the weird change of initial consonant from B to J. User:Angr 15:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears from the article that the change took place in the 8th century Arabic version. The change may have been prompted by the resemblance to the name Josaphat (Yehoshafat), but probably originated in the fact that the difference between initial Ba and initial Ya in Arabic is whether there is one or two dots below the letter.  Ba has one dot, Ya has two.
BobGriffin-Nukraya 21:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

text: "Josaphat" is a Latinization of the Hellenized form of "Jehoshaphat", "'Iosaphát" (Ιωσαφατ). This comes from the Septuagint (see the LXX translation of 1 Kgs. 22:41)-- several centuries before the earliest known date of the account of these two people, and about two centuries before the emergence of Christianity at all. Arsenic-03 (talk) 19:08, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic version

message: Hello,
I'm curious if any of you know how to properly pronounce the name 'Barlaam'. Thanks
Adam s 11:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
*Support The article is more about the legend called "Barlaam and Josaphat" than about the alleged Saint Josaphat, who was never canonized; it is about both alleged saints, not one only; "Barlaam and Josaphat" is the name of the corresponding other-language Wikipedia articles and the articles in other encyclopedias Lima 13:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :"The story of Josaphat was re-told as an exploration of free will and the seeking of inner peace Meditation in the 17th century."
This line is a little unclear.  It can't stand as it is, so I'll assume it means "inner peace through meditation" and change it accordingly.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 01:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the seeking of inner peace 

message: From the Move discussion:
:"Several third-century saints are apocryphal, and few were ever canonized. Septentrionalis "
Can anyone further clarify this point and incorporate this information into the text?  It seems that this is a bit of a grey area.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 01:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  few were ever canonized  

message: The lede is somewhat telegraphic and needs to be expanded per WP:LEDE to explain teh body better. One of you guys who knows more about the topic should do it, rather than myself - that way it will be done right. History2007 (talk) 17:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article lede

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message: Covers a subset of the topics of the main article, the lead section is enough for a single section on the main article. AtlasDuane (talk) 11:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: After some thought, I agree with this proposal, AtlasDuane (and I have just added a wikilink from Barlaam and Josaphat to Barlaams saga ok Jósafats). Although I'd have thought that there's enough scholarship on many of these different versions of the Barlaam and Josaphat story for them usefully to develop Wikipedia entries of their own, this doesn't seem to be the case for Barlaams saga, which seems to be the object of few studies. Moreover, the entry for Barlaams saga ok Jósafats is, if the content is correct, actually about three independent translations into Old Norse, and there's no particular reason why they would need to be clustered into one Wikipedia entry. Alarichall (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 10:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Barlaams saga ok Jósafats]] into [[Barlaam and Josaphat]] 

message: The article seems to imply a conversion from Buddhism to Christianity, but doesn't clearly state it, and seems to require on the reader having prior knowledge of the story? 
Is this ChatGPT summary correct?
''
The character of Josaphat in this narrative is loosely based on the historical figure of Siddhartha Gautama, who later became known as Gautama Buddha, the founder of Buddhism. In adapting the story, Christian authors transformed it into an allegory of conversion to Christianity from a non-Christian faith or a worldly life. Therefore, the specific religion or belief system Josaphat practiced before his conversion is left intentionally vague in the story.
''
SalaDitman (talk) 07:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know or care about ChatGPT, but in the minds of Christian readers of the Barlaam and Josaphat story in the middle ages, the previous religion would have presumably been some form of Indian paganism which they knew nothing about.  Few of them would even have known about Buddhism (though before the fall of the Roman empire, Clement of Alexandria had at least heard of it)... AnonMoos (talk) 22:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion from what to Christianity?