Talk:Misty (Pokémon)/Archive 1

message: Extreme General, your edit removed a lot of information from this article.  Can you explain why you feel that your version is better than that which preceded it?  Kelly Martin 03:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
:well im sry, how bout insted of deleting it, why don't we make mine - Misty (Pokemon Game) & the prvious one - Misty (Pokemon)?
::You can't just delete something to make your own article!  Especially one that is much smaller and less useful than the exsting one!  I have reverted to the original, and merged yours into the "non-animé info" section. Sonic Mew 16:08, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
::This deserves an lol.  72.196.14.187 21:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Extreme General|Extreme General]]'s edit 

message: According to imdb, Misty's last name is Williams. Can anyone confirm that? - Plau
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:Misty has no official last name at the moment.  I am also pretty sure that May's surname is not Oak! Sonic Mew | talk to me 16:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be one sucky name. I think her last name's "Waterflower." Darth Katana X 06:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Waterflower" is also a fanon name, however. Sonic Mew 16:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: She doesn't have one...Leave it at that. Michael 00:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misty Williams 

message: I know this is minor, but the line about it being debateable if Prima is in fact Lorelei isn't correct. I guess not many know this, but the Japanese name of the episode she appears in was "Shitennou Kanna! Koori no tatakai!!" As Shitennou is the Japanese name for the Elite Four and means "Four Kings of the Sky" (or more commonly Four Emperors) and Kanna is Lorelei's Japanese name, the best English title would have been "Lorelei of the Elite Four! Ice Battle!" The English version episode was called "The Mandarin Island Miss Match."
:So Prima is or is not Lorelei?  I don't think that clears it up; I have been wondering about this since I first saw the episode. Michael 00:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prima 

message: The regular VA is going to come back. Don't worry. 71.111.215.224 21:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't be too pessamistic

message: In episode three Kasumi after finding Caterpie asleep beside her she says 「今日まで生きてきて十年間最低最悪の朝だわ」which loosely translated means "This is the worst morning I've ever had in my 10 years of life!" 70.113.220.11 19:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, is that really true? Perhaps you could post that fragment somehow, so we all can see? - Face 20:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Listen carefully, I won't be saying this again -- Forget about the damn unverifiable ages. The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow those are horribly irresponsible parents... lol. Lordofchaosiori 16:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  *Yawns* Just keep your theories away from the article until you have concrete, reliable, verifiable sources to back them. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misty's age

message: Does anyone know why the makers of the show chose to have Misty leave Ash and company?  I think this would be important to add to the article.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The writers never publicly revealed why. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 06:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She was just more expendable than Brock when it came to introducing May and Max. --Sonic Mew 20:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did Misty leave? 

message: Well, Misty is an atheist. She does not believe in God.
For example, let's say that she's a Catholic. I am sure they would at least show a scene where she is praying to God, saints, or the Virgin Mary, going to mass, or worrying about commiting a "mortal sin" if that is true. But she does not act because she's afraid God will send her to hell for doing something akin to a "mortal sin" nor does she pray at all. Since Misty does not display ANY religiousness (for any religion), it is safe to say she is an atheist.
134.139.21.29 20:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pikachu's also athiest, right?  Because Pikachu never goes to church in any of the episodes I've seen.  Squirtle was also never seen praying, if I'm correct.  And Bulbasaur never once said anything religious.  And Charmander, Pidgeotto, Butterfree—none of them carry a bible or anything.  Joking aside, since it doesn't seem to be very significant to her character that she doesn't follow any religion (or maybe she does but we don't see it in the cartoon), I'm going to go ahead and remove her from the category of fictional athiests.  Please refrain from adding every Pokémon species article to the fictional athiests category, too.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I never see Misty work with a camera, does that mean she doesn't know how?  We don't know, and just like her religion, it doesn't belong on the wikipedia article. Sonic3KMaster(talk) 21:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, there's no evidence to suggest that she is athiest (unless you can find a reputable website that tells that she is).  Making your own assumptions based on a lack of occurrences in a cartoon is original research, and you're not supposed to add information to Wikipedia unless you can find sources for these facts.  So show us some resources or else you can't add her to the category of athiests.  --Brandon Dilbeck 20:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's stupid. She doesn't kiss Max in the anime, either. Maybe we should make a couple hundred megabytes dedicated to things she doesn't do? -Amarkov babble 13:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There is a major difference between interesting and important. Only the latter is allowed to make it into articles. Also, we do not share your deffinition of interesting. This is why interesting doesn't get into articles; who's definition of interesting are we supposed to follow? Religion plays no role in the anime; therefore, it is not important. The Hybrid22:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, I didn't realise that I had. Where did I stereotype? The Hybrid Lives 04:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he meant not to speak for others about what we all think is interesting.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, I'll watch that in the future, sorry. The Hybrid Lives
Well, Misty is atheist. Here's the definition of atheist on wikipedia:
"Strong or positive atheism is the belief that gods do not exist. It is a form of explicit atheism. A strong atheist consciously rejects theism and may even argue that certain deities logically cannot exist.
Weak or negative atheism is the absence both of the belief that gods exist and of the the belief that gods do not exist. In other words, anyone who is neither a theist nor a strong atheist is a weak atheist."
So Misty is a weak atheist because she has an absence in the belief of the existence of god or gods. Does anyone have evidence that does possess some belief in the supernatural? 134.139.24.182 19:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it is just that IN THE DEPICTION, there is no religion. For instance, just because a certain novel does not happen to mention pianos does not mean it is set in a world without pianos. It's just that pianos are irrelevant to the plot of the novel. The same thing happens here. -Amarkov babble 21:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: LOL. Yes, I am a ex-catholic. I can't believe I fell for that stuff. I'm actually laughing right now just thinking about it. THL
Do not put this thing in the article again. We have yet to reach a consensus. THL 16:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheist? 

message: Someone edited out the part of the article that says that "There was a huge uproar on Misty leaving that agitated misty fans and they tried to get her back, but so far their cries have gone unheard." and the sad part is, that statement is actually true. See, Pokecommunity, Serebiiforums, Bulbagarden, and the tcg player forums actually had quite an amount of these clubs and topics (and unfortunately, flamewars kind of started by May fans and my own brethren (ie, Misty fans.) alike.). They may be fansites, but since there was quite an amount of these threads asking these and saying that she must return (And thus leading credence to the sources of that line.) that should not have been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.187.30 (talk • contribs) 
:Forums aren't considered a reliable source. Sorry. -Amarkov babble 18:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, wouldn't it count as a primary source in this case? Am I missing something? --Sonic Mew 18:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're probably right. A secondary source would still be nice. -Amarkov babble 18:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  umm... what had happened!? 

message: A bot removed the unsourced image of Misty in her Hoenn outfit. Does anyone have a sourced image of her? THL 14:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would hacking Serebii's image help? --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: By the power of Google bestowed upon me by the kindness of the Internet, I have detected that the original image came from here. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was fast! Thanks RA. If you haven't already, could you list it as a source; I don't know how to do that. I'll go ahead and restore the image. THL 17:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything for Misty! Anyways, added the source, and I do hope that OrphanBot doesn't go a step further by asking where they got the image from; it's a Freewebs site, displaying the images on it is probably copyvio as well. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 03:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is one of the advantages of bots, they cannot think. Anyways, thanks again. Cheers THL 05:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you keep thanking me?! The article isn't anyone's private property, we're all supposed to manage it. Shall we now tweak the Wikimedia software to make it thank an editor every time they make an edit? Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 05:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just trying to be polite. You saved me a lot of time reading about what pictures work on Wikipedia, how to upload them, and finding an image for the article. I was just trying to show appreciation for doing something that I had requested. Anyways, happy editing. THL 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excessive politeness can be a bit irritating sometimes. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 05:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gaaaaaaaah, shaddup the both o' yas! --Brandon Dilbeck 14:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, that's more like it. (Esperanzians would disagree, of course). --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 14:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Huh, I just saw this. Yeah, if a Pokémon image gets tagged as problematic, it's probably me doing it. In general, we need to know where the image was originally published, who scanned it (if applicable), what copyright status it's under, and if it's fair-use what our rationale for fair use is. Images found on random websites are almost never kosher. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the fact remains that "A thief isn't a thief until he (or she)'s caught." Unfortunately, you caught us, and now we'll have to find another Hoenn image. Yours irritatedly, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 13:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This really sucks! THL 23:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My reaction to A Man In Black's abiding by laws. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 03:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. THL 04:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gentlemen (and ladies?), I present before you :Image:Misty AG.jpg, hacked from Serebii.net. May the law be Misted over! May the Black be covered up by the Blue of the Mist! --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 05:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweet, I hope we can keep this one. THL 05:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: AAAAAAAARGH!! How does it matter?! Isn't the fact that it's from the anime enough?! Bow to the Mist! --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 12:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: We need to know where this image was originally published. Referring to the Pokémon anime narrows it down to one of 400-some episodes and however many movies there are now. I can guess what season this is from based on the outfit, but a republisher of Wikipedia isn't going to know that. We need to know what episode. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, looks like I'll have to concede. Let's see-- She's only appeared in 5 episodes, and a few specials, in that outfit. So we just need to go through Serebii's images of those episodes. But I have an important school project to start tomorrow, so I can't do that. Anyone? --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do it. THL 21:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Added to image page. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 13:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Hoenn Image Needed 

message: Don't. It's unsourced, it's too long, and it's ugly. Add it after it's finished. -Amarkov blahedits 16:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a draft section to the article