Talk:Endosymbiont

message: Don't most (all?) higher organisms have organizisms such as bacteria that live inside of them that could be considered endosymbionts? Gut bacteria, etc. I can't recall the article, but I read in a Wikipedia article that rodents of some sort were bred entirely sterile and ended up dying of very odd disorders, the hypothesis being they (and by extension humans) need the bacteria, etc to survive. The article seems to only mention non vertebrate examples. Thanks - Taxman 03:05, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
:This is a good question.  The article currently only gives examples of a couple endosymbioses apparently skewed towards arbitrary subjects that the few people who work on this page are most familiar with.  This includes myself, having added the section on Symbiodinium.  The page can benefit from a broader range of examples.  When we all find the time we should add some other examples.  What comes immediately to mind are Rhizobium associations with plants and the fungal/algal associations of lichens.
:In the end, what I think would be most useful are very brief descriptions of many different examples.  The verbose descriptions for the few examples now present could migrate to the pages for those specific organisms, linked to from the endosymbiont page.
:With regard to the gut bacteria of vertebrates, it could be said that gut bacteria, being in the gut, are not actually inside the organism, the gut being the interface between the organism and its food from outside.  But this is getting into splitting hairs about what is "endo" in the endosymbiosis; some would assert that endosymbiosis only includes intracellular symbiotic relationships anyway.
:And, yes, it is probable that all multicellular organisms have microbial symbionts.
:Another thing we might want to discuss here is that symbiosis does not equal mutualism; i.e., parasitic and mutualistic endosymbionts perhaps should qualify just the same?
:Safay 08:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Bacteria transitioning into organelles, losing genes, Seed: Dead Bacteria Walking, October 20, 2006 ~Kylu (u|t)  00:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seed Magazine article 

message: could there be a section about endosymbionts in fiction, like the thing that lives in Tlc's gut in Stargate
CybergothiChé word to your mother 11:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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message: Substituted at 14:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Etymology is a poor guide to spelling, as languages make arbitrary choices and rearrangements over the centuries. The standard English spelling uses a t, and as you rightly say, that derives from the genitive, as often happened. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Endosymbion is also correct because the deepest etymon is on/creature, "t" exists in the genitive case "óntos", and then spread out to other words
:: Etymology is a poor guide to spelling, as languages make arbitrary choices and rearrangements over the centuries. The standard English spelling uses a t, and as you rightly say, that derives from the genitive, as often happened. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling by etymology 

message: This term is new to me, the concept is not.  Is it correct to say that humans also live with endosymbionts?  Then a section could be devoted to it.
We have microbes in our large intestine devouring fiber, releasing small-chain fatty acids as well as things that are suspected to have medicinal qualities.  When these microbes are starved or otherwise hurt, the human organism suffers the metabolic syndrome.  Causes that are usually named, and have been shown across medical literature, are a diet short in whole plant foods, abundant in animal food, and rife with highly processed food.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:93A5:1:6664:82C6:273C:593A (talk) 12:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endosymbionts in Humans 

message: I propose the plastid evolution article be merged into this one. They have overlapping scope, and though plastid evolution is the shorter article, it has some information not prsent here (e.g. tertiary endosymbiosis).
--Redge (talk) 17:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Plasmid evolution 

message: — Assignment last updated by Trillmc (talk) 03:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Comparative Developmental Biology

message: Added the following reference and citation for the relationship between the two organisms.
Mujer, C V; Andrews, D L; Manhart, J R; Pierce, S K; Rumpho, M E (29 October 1996). "Chloroplast genes are expressed during intracellular symbiotic association of Vaucheria litorea plastids with the sea slug Elysia chlorotica". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 93 (22): 12333–12338. doi:10.1073/pnas.93.22.12333. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 37991. PMID 8901581.
Potentially adding the following sentences.
Elysia chlorotica forms this relationship intracellularly with the chloroplasts from the algae. These chloroplast retain their photosynthetic capabilities and structures for several months after being taken into the cells of the slug. Madunn99 (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a reference and information for the relationship of the sea slug Elysia Chlorotica and Vaucheria litoria