Talk:List of people from Ukraine

message: Half of these are A: Russian B: Had ukranian parents, but are american, C: Visited Ukraine at least once and D: Are not ukranian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.80.246.30 (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide more constructive criticism and arguments and solutions in future. I will adjust the lead cause you do have some points. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 16:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: What about List of Ukrainians/List of people born in current Ukraine? — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is that specific choice of who to list of any greater historical significance than List of people born between the 34th and 35th parallels? What is the justification for keeping the list as inclusive and unfocused as it currently is? And wouldn't the combination of finding birthplaces in one source and the current country containing that birthplace from a different source lead to massive violations of WP:SYN? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Keep as is. Trust me, as soon as you rename it to "current Ukraine" you will have to admit the whole List of Crimean khans. East of Borschov 10:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  You call this a ukranian list? 

message: *Mykola Arkas
*Maksym Berezovsky
*Dmytro Bortnyansky
*Konstantyn Dankevych
*Mykola Dyletsky
*Arkady Filippenko
*Vitaliy Serhiyovich Hubarenko
*Semen Hulak-Artemovsky
*Mykola Leontovych
*Borys Lyatoshynsky
*Mykola Lysenko
*Stanyslav Lyudkevych
*Heorhiy Maiboroda
*Mykola Markevych
*Yuly Meytus
*Petro Nishchynsky
*Lev Revutsky
*Yakiv Stepovy
*Kyrylo Stetsenko
*Artem Vedel
*Mykhaylo Verbytsky
*Mykola Vilinsky
    Oleg Karavaychuk (Russian: Оле́г Никола́евич Каравайчу́к; 28 December 1927 – 13 June 2016) was a Soviet and Russian composer, author of music for many films and theater performances.Karavaychuk was born on 28 December 1927 in Kyiv, into the family of a violinist who was arrested when Oleg was two years old.
    Yuri Anatolievich Poteyenko (Russian: Юрий Анатольевич Потеенко, born December 5, 1960[1][2]) is a Russian film composer. Four times the winner of the Golden Eagle Award for the best film music (2010, 2013, 2016, 2018).
Born in
Molodohvardiysk, Soviet Union (now Ukraine)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artixxxl (talk • contribs) 09:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Composers

message: *Alexander Archipenko
*Alexander Bogomazov
*Vladimir Borovikovsky
*Mykola Burachek
*David Burliuk
*Mychajlo Dmytrenko
*Alexei Grischenko
*Jacques Hnizdovsky
*Vasyl Krychevsky
*Nikolai Kuznetsov
*Ivan Marchuk
*Heorhiy Narbut
*Nikifor
*Maria Primachenko
*Mykola Pymonenko
*Kliment Red'ko
*Aleksandr Shevchenko
*Volodymyr Sichynskyi
*Vladimir Sosnovsky
*Vladimir Tatlin
*Tetyana Yablonska
*Vasyl Yermylov
*Ivan Yizhakevych
Soundsboy (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Painters

message: Please remove Mark Kac from this list. Per the discussion at Talk:Mark Kac and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia, he is not really Ukrainian: the town he was born in was Polish for most of the time he lived there, he grew up and was educated as a Pole, and he had already come to the US when his home town was annexed by the Soviets in 1939 and adjoined to the Ukrainian SSR. The discussion on his talk page on this issue has been open for two weeks with no dissenting views, and I've just removed the reciprocal links to here from his article. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree, this was never ment as a list of ethnic Ukrainians (as since long explained in the lead). I don't see what the problem is anyway, it is not that being labeled a Ukrainian is as bad as being labeled a Nazi... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I just had a idea. See above please. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not Ukrainian and he's not from Ukraine. His hometown was added to Ukraine after he left Europe. This maximalist version of who should be included makes no sense historically to me and in any case violates WP:SYN. Find a reliable source that calls him Ukrainian or remove him. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm removing the editprotected tag since it's clearly controversial. Gain consensus and then ask again. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I had gained consensus at Talk:Mark Kac and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia. How many more talk pages do I need to gain consensus at. How about instead of letting a local cabal of Ukrainian maximalists decide their local consensus, we instead try to follow our core policy that "material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." Clearly, Kac's listing as a Ukrainian has been challenged. So where is the attribution to a reliable source? —David Eppstein (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

text: WP:OWN. There happened to be a discussion at the Russia project, after it was moved there from the Math project. The Russia project does not control the list here, any more than the Math project does, but then neither should the Ukraine project. What is more relevant is the discussion at Talk:Mark Kac and of course here. But, I made a separate talk page section specifically about Mark Kac rather than a continuation of the previous section of this talk page with the intention that we could try to resolve this one case without having to get into generalities, so I am a little disappointed to see that none of your responses address this specific case. Where are the reliable sources I have now repeatedly asked for? —David Eppstein (talk) 21:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I hope everyone here realizes that maybe 20% of the list so far consists of people who have identified themselves as "Ukrainian" in their life time. Soundsboy (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Mark Kac 

message: --68.63.113.121 (talk) 20:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIX THE TITLE 

message: The current introduction should be removed in its entirety. It advances a number of controversial ideas, all Ukrainophobic and politically motivated. It advances an idea that the very idea of a Ukrainian ethnicity is in question. Since the article is a list of Ukrainians, I propose a very short introduction explaining who is included in this list. The following is my suggestions: "The following is an incomplete list of well known Ukrainians. This list includes people who are citizens of Ukraine, are born in Ukraine and territories it now occupies, or identify themselves with Ukrainian ethnicity and nationality." These are the common, traditional criteria, that are used internationally. --Hatteras (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: David Eppstein, let's edit this paragraph together. It is important to have it in the Introduction, because it provides the reader with the information on the contemporary situation in Ukraine, extending and complimenting the preceding paragraphs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.208.200 (talk) 04:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Go edit stuff having nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia until you have a better idea what WP:NPOV means. If you can't edit neutrally, you should not be editing here. The edits you have been making here are not helpful to whatever cause you are trying to promote, and promoting a cause is very much not what Wikipedia is about. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  David Eppstein, thank you for clarifying your position. David Eppstein, Wikipedia indeed is NOT a milieu for promoting one's ethnic hatred towards the things Ukrainian - Ukrainian history, culture or politics. Your mentioning of the WP:NPOV clause is very appropriate. In case you have not noticed, David Eppstein, luckily for us, Ukrainians, we are no longer living in the days of "Komintern" and "Cheka". I hope you understand that the days when Kommissar-steins were deciding what has or has not anything to do with Ukraine, are over. David Eppstein, please consider contributing to Wikipedia constructively, and not destructively.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.208.200 (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: If Narking is "crypto-anti-Western pro-Russian" he deserves an Oscar for fooling me all these years , as a friend of him I can honestly say he is not... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: The current version of the introductory section contains at least one paragraph that is purported to make Ukraine look as a home of all sorts of people, except Ukrainians themselves. Here is what it says, as of today:
: Ethnic Ruthenians were frequently a rural people and often formed minorities in their own cities and towns. For example, Kiev in the 1920s was approximately 1/3 Jewish and 1/3 Russian, with the remaining third constituting ethnic Ukrainians, Poles, and Germans. A similar demographic history existed in Lviv with a majority Polish and Jewish population.
Am I the only Ukrainian editor who finds these kind of statements offensive? Not only these kinds of claims have absolutely no ground in the known Ukrainian historical facts, but they, in fact, repeat, almost word in word, the statements made by anti-Western anti-Ukrainian Putin propaganda!
I asked the editors to provide the citations justifying the obviously false claims in these paragraphs. My requests have been deleted and I has been told that they will block my Wikipedia account.
:In 1926 3/4 of the Jews in Soviet Ukraine lived in urban areas. For example 27,2% of the population in Kyiv were Jews (36,5% in Odesa, 31,9% in Lviv, 26,7% in Dnipropetrovsk and 19,5% in Kharkiv). The figures for Russians in the same year gives 24,1% in Kyiv, 37% in Kharkiv, 38,7% in Odesa and 31,5% in Dnipropetrovsk. There were 50,8% Poles and only 16,2% Ukrainians living in Lviv. There were 42,1% Ukrainians living in Kyiv. Furthermore I quote from "Ukraine. A concise encyclopaedia" (ed: Volodymyr Kubijovyc): "These figures show that the Jews chiefly lived in cities, that the Russians did so to a significant degree, that every fourth Pole lived in a city, but that only one out of ten Ukrainians did." Närking (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A typical anti-Ukrainian Russian imperialistic claim 

message: Perhaps we should change "List of people born in Ukraine" to "List of people of significance born in Ukraine", or something of the sort. I find it confusing, if not insulting, to keep the title the way it is. It sounds like it would be a list of every single person born in Ukraine ever. Seeing as this is Wikipedia, I doubt someone would legitimately assume that, but it doesn't make it any less broad. Yelyzaveta (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making the title more specific? 

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message: Over the next little bit I'm planning to gut this list. I've started by pulling all redlinks or other no-article entries - notability comes first, then an entry. Next plan is to remove people solely of Ukrainian descent who have not lived for a significant time in the Ukraine. Per the article's lead, "This is a list of individuals who were born and lived in territories currently in Ukraine, both ethnic Ukrainians and those of other ethnicities," so the content should match that. After that, I might split the list into separate smaller lists like List of chess players from Ukraine or similar just to cut this down even more. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gutting this list 

message: The current list now includes the subject section. The collaborative work of several LBGTQ Wikipedia editors on expanding this section is currently underway.
The current list of names in this section is composed of notable Ukrainian LGBQT activists with established Wikipedia entries and otherwise notable Ukrainians who were or are members of the LGBTQ community. 
Any help, additions and constructive criticism are welcome.
:Several of the individuals in the section you added are already listed elsewhere in the page. Those who are not already listed should probably be moved to the appropriate section by profession (entertainer/activist/musician/etc.), to match the rest of the page. PohranicniStraze (talk) 06:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  And puffery is not compatible with our policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Activists of Ukrainian LGBTQ movement and notable LGBTQ Ukrainians 

message: * Philip "Phil" Erenberg (1909–1992), American gymnast and Olympic silver medalist  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.21.19 (talk) 03:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add 

message: *Igor Nesterenko (born 1990), Israeli-Ukrainian basketball player in the Israel Basketball Premier League
--2604:2000:E010:1100:75C8:71C2:3C10:A928 (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: --Ymblanter (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add 

message: In the politicians section, under Nestor Makhno there is an entry that says: "Esa-Pekka-Jukka-Tanga-Juho-Iida-Anna-Iida Chanel, best ass licker ever, cannot use a tampon properly (1912-1921)"
I am maybe not most well versed in history, but im pretty sure its not supposed be there Varangianbum (talk) 08:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for noticing--Ymblanter (talk) 08:57, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretty sure that counts as vandlism 

message: * Include, obviously--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizens or former citizens of Ukraine (past 1991)

message: * These people were traditionally included to this list, and the current lede allows for this inclusion. I feel that this is more justified for post-1918, or possibly for the 19th century, since what is Ukraine was already reasonably well defined, but the same point also applies to Kievan Rus (which would make Yaroslav the Wise a "Ukrainian"). I understand however that it is difficult to draw a line here and would weakly support the inclusion.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Individuals who lived for a long time at the current territory of Ukraine, even if not ethnically Ukrainian

message: * An example would be someone like Isaac Stern who was born in 1920 in Kremenets which was then Poland but is now Ukraine, emigrated in 1921 to the US and spent there his entire career (he probably never visited Ukraine but even if he did it would not change my vote). I would exclude these.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Individuals who were born or lived short-term in Ukraine but are only notable for someting not related to Ukraine

message: * I would exclude these as well. Ukraine is not a monoethnic state (though recently unfortunately it behaves like it is, but this is not what their constitution says). If we include individuals of Ukrainian ancestry, why should we not include people of Crimean Tatar, Polish, Romanian, or Russian ancestry? And it is virtually impossible to trace the ancestry. And the list would become unsurmountable. If there are some individuals which significantly contributed to Ukrainian culture, but otherwise are not related to Ukraine (like US- or Canadian-born), there must be a separate list for these. I guess List of Ukrainians, if made a separate article, could include all encyclopedically notable ethnic Ukrainians.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Individuals who have some Ukrainian ancestry but are not directly associated with Ukraine

message: * Can not immediately think of any.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Other categories

message: * Ivan Paskevich, Field marshal of the Russian imperial army.Ivan Paskevich was born in Poltava on 19 May 1782.
* Kirill Razumovski – Field marshal of Russian Imperial Army. The village Lemeshi where Razumovsky was born to this day stands in Kozelets Raion, Chernihiv Oblast, Ukraine.
* Vasily Zavoyko – an admiral in the Russian navy.During the Crimean War, Zavoyko led the successful defence against the Siege of Petropavlovsk by the allied British-French troops.Zavoyko was born in Prokhorovka (modern Kaniv Raion Ukrainian: Канівський район was a raion (district) of Cherkasy Oblast, central Ukraine.)
* Nikolai Linevich –Adjutant general in the Imperial Russian Army during the latter part of the Russo-Japanese War.A nobleman born in Chernihiv (today's Ukraine), Linevich entered military service as a cadet in 1855.
* Ivan Gudovich, a Russian [noble] and military leader.Ivan's father was an influential member of the Ukrainian Cossack starshina. 
* Pyotr Kotlyarevsky - a Russian military hero of the early 19th century.He was born in the village of Olkhovatka near Kharkiv into a cleric's family.
* Semyon Timoshenko, marshal of the Soviet Union, added his native village Furmanivka and other western territories in 1939.
* Yekaterina Zelenko, a Soviet Su-2 pilot who flew during the Winter War and World War II. She remains the only woman ever alleged to have performed an aerial ramming
Zelenko was born in 1916 in the village of Koroshchine, then part of the Volhynian Governorate of the Russian Empire. 
* Alexei Berest - Soviet political officer and one of the three Red Army soldiers who hoisted the Victory Banner.Born on	March 9, 1921
Horyaistivka, Sumy Oblast, Ukrainian SSR
* Mikhail Kirponos, general of the Red Army 
Born	on 12 January 1892
Vertiyivka (Verkiyivka) village,
nezhinsky Uyezd, Chernigov Governorate,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artixxxl (talk • contribs) 09:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Figures 

message: On the section "other" you should add the Youtuber Nikocado Avocado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikocado_Avocado), a very known figure on his genre of videos (mukbang). He was born in Ukraine. Finestbakery (talk) 13:11, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023