Talk:Bože pravde

message: English translation is not very precise. I really hope that someone will change it asap. I would not like to do that because I'm not so confident about my English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belgrade (talk • contribs) 
:The source is official government site of Republika Srpska; there's no translation on *.gov.yu sites. As with any translation, the question is whether we want it more "precise" (i.e. literal) or more "nice" (i.e. keeping rhythm and spirit of the original text). Since this translation is (semi-)official, I would refrain from changes. Duja 07:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Serbian embassy says it means race. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 08:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Nope; you're probably mistaking it with Russian language, where "pravda" means "truth" indeed. In Serbian, it means "justice". Duja► 13:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation 

message: OK, I agree to some extent with the previous post, but only because that translation makes it rhyme. However, I think it shouldn't stand as official (which should be: literal) translation, but as the rhymeable improvised add-on. My oppinion is that the given translation should have a warning that a lot of words are changed for purpose of rhyme, and that it is thus very inaccurate.
Someone should make literal translation.
To help:
English word for 'род' is 'kin' (putting word 'race' in the given English translation can be interpreted as malicious act (as those who unsuspectingly read that English translation - especially if malicious - could interpret it as... racist?)). 
'Боже правде' is 'God of justice'.
Instead of worrying translation 'annihilation' of the profound meaning put word 'disaster' or 'ruination' ('пропаст').
"God of armies! be our leader, Strengthen then the Serbian race!"?!??!???! - Now -that must be a deliberate malicious translation... It's like it says that our supreme God is God of war and that we are a separate race seeking greater force!?! Totally wrong set of verses... That particular couple of verses in original says "Кад наступе борбе дани
к' победи му води ход. Боже спаси, Боже храни српске земље, српски род!" - "When the days of battle come, to victory lead its pace. God save, God feed Serbian countries and Serbian kin.". I mean - talk about failed translations...
"Be our leader as in the past." is totally failed translation, it should be "from now on as well be our salvation."
etc.
...Just make literal translation - that's official, not those artistic freedoms (plus with that old-English...).
:It is a beautiful translation and it carries the feeling of the original much better than a literal translation ever could. It's not supposed to be "accurate".
:I see that it's been emended and made incongruous since the first version of the article (which had a congruent, single translation): the opening words "God of justice, Thou who saved us when in deepest bondage cast" have been changed to "Righteous Lord; Thou who saved us from annihilation", and I'm of the mind to change it back.
:"God of Justice" is the actual appellation with which the Serbian version begins as well, and there's no justification for changing it to "Righteous Lord" against the congruity of the original translation. It does not mean that the song is addressing one of many gods, it merely emphasizes that the Christian god is being addressed in his capacity as a bringer of justice. If somebody honestly believes that a reader could be confused about this, then the proper way to fix that is to explain it in the text of the article, not to mess with a single, consistent translation.
:"Thou who saved us from annihilation" is indeed a more literal translation of the original Serbian words than "Thou who saved us when in deepest bondage cast" but it is completely dissonant with the rest of the first stanza.
:Also the fear that phrases like "Serbian race" in a 19th-century anthem translation could be construed as racist or "malicious" are truly unfounded. It is simply slightly archaic English, just as the original is slightly archaic Serbian.
:I would suggest to those who object to the free poetic translation: Do not try to "fix" the translation offered in the article piecemeal. Instead, find another, complete, more literal translation, one more to your tastes (or write it up yourself!) and put it into the article alongside this translation. Then everyone can enjoy both.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.155.151.233 (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Translating "храни" as "feed" or "nourish" makes no sense what so ever... It does, in fact, imply to archaic slavic meaning - "to protect", "to defend". Can that be fixed? --PrimEviL 14:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, with the person above. Serbs dont have gods, but one G-d.Mike Babic (talk) 07:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation is GREATLY inacurate 

message: I was contemplating including both "poetic" and "literal" translations, as it was done in Hymn to Liberty. 
Searching for a more literal translation, I stumbled upon this book by Voislav Petrovich, Serbian patriot and "lobbyist" in the UK, from early 20th century. The lyrics we were discussing above are translated by certain "Elisabeth Chistitch" (Јелисавета Христић?) as early as 1915 (the day when the book was signed, a page before). Well, I still didn't found a reliable source for a more literal translation, but thought this might be interesting... Shame that no one seems to credit her for this. No such user (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: a Great idea is a Great idea. I will also try to look for a more literal translation, maybe we can help each other translate it even.Serbia The Great (talk) 01:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The literal translation

message: I found a set of lyrics with this line in it and there's quite a few videos on YouTube using it, but it's not listed in the article. Is it an older or unofficial version? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 23:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a variation which honors the fact that there is a significant number (~15%) of national minorities living in Serbia. Serbian is per original. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 01:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. (I think?) the lyrics (at least the currently-used set of them) were only officially standardized in 2009, so before then you had (variations like?) this line. A video I found online using the line is dated as being from 2007, which seems to support the theory. So, it seems that before 2009 the line "Moli ti se sav naš rod" was used, but however is no longer. I think it might be a byproduct of the Yugoslav days (as the country consisted of more than just Serbia during those days), being discontinued in 2009, a few years after the breakup of SCG in June 2006. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Moli ti se sav naš rod''

message: Time and again, the consensus on this page was to omit English translations made by editors (as can be seen from talk archives and article history). There is already one translation, provided by an official source. While, strictly speaking, editors are not barred from translating certain parts of the contents, I find translating the whole lyrics way over the top. Worse still, it was factually wrong in several places that I would not care to enumerate right now (yes, I'm a native speaker). Was that, God forbid, a result of Google Translate?
Similar for IPA: while helpful for pronunciation of personal and place names, it is uncommon to have long stretches of IPA transliteration for entire texts such as this. Serbian orthography being highly phonemic, it is also redundant to have in the article. For the same reason, it is rather trivial to write the first approximation correctly (as you did), but your version had several errors and omissions in vowel length and accentuation (what, do you think there are no rising accents at all?). No such user (talk) 12:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA and English translation