Talk:Eadgils

message: Wouldn't 'eth' - ð - be better transliterated into Modern English as 'th' than 'd' the way it is used in this article?
Plynn9 18:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: d is used as a transliteration in the cases where the source texts use d, e.g. in the English translation cited and in the Latin summary of the Skjöldunga saga. His name has different forms in various sources and the different forms are used to help the reader check facts.--Berig 18:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, cheers.  I can see that it's been widely used as 'd'.  Pity. Plynn9 19:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: User:Berig says the identification Áli = Onela is older than Wikipedia. I would like to see a decent reference for that. As it stands, there is only a reference to Ála being a genitiv form. I think this is trying to make the reader believe that the identification is supported by the evidence.  The reference provided is very unspecific http://www.sofi.se/GetDoc?meta_id=1464, to a portal site completely in Swedish. I dug it up, but it does not prove anything. Waste of time. Now Berig, put up, or I will delete again. /Pieter Kuiper 00:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article Ale in Nationalencyklopedin (1989) is one source. What about Birger Nerman 1925:149ff? You'll find the book in the list of secondary sources. Or Carl Anderson 1999:102, 110.? All the three sources are older than WP. The author of the article in Nationalencyklopedin considered the connection so factual that he does not even mention the name form Onela, but only states that the Ale of Snorri and Ynglingatal appears in Beowulf too.--Berig 00:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of your references to Anderson just point out how problematic that identification is. And  Birger Nerman does not seem very current. /Pieter Kuiper 01:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nationalencyklopedin has to be considered "current" and it does not "point out how problematic that identification is". Moreover, Andersson says that the battle between Aðils and Áli is echoed in the animosity between Eadgils and Onela, so please do not exaggerate. The identification is not a debated issue outside of this talkpage.--Berig 05:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one who is exaggerating tenuous litterary parallels. The sagas also 'echo' the Old Testament. Andersson also says that Saxo 'echoes' Cicero. As Andersson says, Áli is not a member of the Ynglinge dynasty, which would make the identification rather problematic. /Pieter Kuiper 07:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No primary source makes any statement about Áli's dynastic origins, so please point out something more substantial. Moreover, it is not *I* who exaggerate "tenuous literary parallels" as you can see by the sources I gave you. It is you who are trying to make up an academic debate in the issue.--Berig 07:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about some proof? 

message: User:Berig has deleted three times in a row a scholarly reference to the PhD thesis of Carl Elund Anderson, for reasons that are difficult to understand. Berig himself has adduced this thesis as an authority (see edit history, talk page). Berig regards this as 'his' article, it seems, to be read as gospel, not to be edited by anybody else. Well, in that case he can have his own website, but this is not acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia.
I will report this as a violation of WP:3RR. /Pieter Kuiper 07:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:3RR concerns more than three reverts of the same article, within a 24h period. For information about the dispute, please see discussion above this subsection.--Berig 07:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I thought that 3 times was the limit. In any case, your behaviour is disruptive. The blocking policy does not mean that you have the right to three reverts. And please read WP:OWN. "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." /Pieter Kuiper 08:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that you understand that "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it" also applies to your own edits.--Berig 08:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: wait, I don't follow -- why does this even matter? Where do we suggest Onela was one of the Ynglings? It's a complete non-sequitur to state "btw., nobody ever said Onela was an Yngling". If this is at all relevant, take it to the Onela article. dab (𒁳) 10:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the issue is the total identification of Ale=Onela made here. But I agree that this is more relevant in the Onela-article, and I tried putting this in, but User:Berig reverted me also there (and that is how he got up to more than 3RR). /Pieter Kuiper 10:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First you threaten me, then you say one thing and lastly you go so far as lying blatantly. Please try some honesty, instead of pretending that I made more than 3RRs, which I didn't. You are not going to gain any points here with false accusations, especially not since you made a comparable number of reverts. The only place where Onela/Áli's dynastic belonging is actually mentioned is in Beowulf, and there he is called a Scylfing which is the AS form of Skilfing, another name for the Yngling dynasty in Ynglingatal.--Berig 12:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misunderstanding of [[WP:3RR]] policy

message: I had removed the statement that in Ynglingasaga Snorri had used Skjöldunga saga as a source. The was a reference to page 150 of Birger Nerman's book. Well, I could not find support for the statement there. Now User:Berig claims that he "reinserted", but now the reference is to page 103 - sneaky. /Pieter Kuiper 19:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Birger Nerman discusses Aðils, the Ynglinga saga and the Skjöldunga saga on both pages 103 and 150. I must have confused the two pages when I wrote the original reference, and I thank you for spotting the mistake. Can you explain to me in what way it is "sneaky" to correct a reference?--Berig 06:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You left it for me to see that you had corrected the page number. But that is not a big deal. However, there should be a better - and preferably an English - source for this, as Nerman was not a philologist. /Pieter Kuiper 08:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he was not a philologist, which is why he referred to the Swedish Academy member Elias Wessén when writing the book, so you can hardly hold that against him. However, I still don't understand in what way I was "sneaky" when you say "You left it for me to see that you had corrected the page number".--Berig 08:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, you were not sneaky, you just forgot to mention the correction. Can we drop this? /Pieter Kuiper 09:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gladly!--Berig 09:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nerman and Snorri's sources 

message: He is also running around on the Swedish Wikipedia, all the time deleting other's work, totally unconcious of their feelings. He leaves articles that others have worked with for weeks in a state of total trash, with useless info about some scholar somewhere who once disagreed to obvious facts. He is just a well educated vandal, driven by typical leftwing political correctness, and should be banished or at least told to calm down and stop destroying articles. /LeosVän 23:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your suggestions for fixing the problem Leosvän. However, I do not think he is driven by left-wing political correctness.--Berig 16:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be Left-wing political correctness (but certainly something close to that), but User:LeosVän describes User:Pieter Kuiper quite perfectly. He has, for instance, been vandalizing the article :sv:Assyriska namnkonflikten several times now, by deleting well cited content and academic sources in the article with the motivation on the talk page "who cares". What's motivating Pieter Kuiper, I have no idea, but this close to vandalism behaviour is definitely not a serious editor. I also agree with LeosVän that severe restrictions should be taken here, possibly arbitration. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 00:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pieter Kuiper is a sofisticated left-wing vandal 

message: How do we know that this was not Aldgisl? Frisian/Danish/Swæfum kings' lists, transferred by the Icelanders to Sweden? /Pieter Kuiper 22:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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