Talk:Manticore

message: Perhaps a better picture will suit, the first manticore pic looks more like a chinese new year lion on a bad day —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.234.227.185 (talk • contribs) January 29, 2006, 22:05 UTC.
:You want I should draw one? I'm pretty good.
I would recommend a change of picture. The first paragraph of text says that "The tail is either of a dragon or a scorpion." The manticore in the picture has a lion's tail. Should the picture be changed to fit the given description?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.184.211 (talk) 07:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I don't know much aboot it, but manticores appear in at least one episode of Charmed.  If anyone knows anything aboot the show, or knows how to find out more about the manticores in it, that would make a nice addition to the list at the bottom, IMHO.  Tomertalk 15:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Charmed

message: Wiley Ley speculated that the original stories of the manticore were based on 3rd or 4th generation tales of tigers with a bit of Asiatic lion mixed in. CFLeon (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: It said: "Nowadays, the manticore is said by the natives to inhabit the forests of Asia, particularly Indonesia. ... " and so on.
I am from Indonesia but I have never heard this thing or I don't know what it's spell in Indonesian.
Plese provide the refernce, thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndrasen (talk • contribs) 05:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: This article is about the mythical beast.  Why some small group of t-shirt designers warrant inclusion in this article I'm not sure.  Wikipedia is not your personal promotion platform, nor is it a directory of relevant services.  If nobody objects with a semi-decent rationale, I move to delete the section "Real Life Applications" and promotional links to the Emptees site. Mhoskins (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emptees? 

message: Given we have appearances from ancient thru modern in popular legend of this fictional creature, this was a needless and arbitrary split in the first place. Regardless of validity of content, I think the material in not distinct or notable enough to warrant a separate page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: # Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: # The material does need some kind of verification/notation as to its significance though; possibly a lot of it can be discarded. Шизомби (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support "merge," but really only a couple of things on the other article are notable enough to be moved over and the rest should be deleted as triviacruft. DreamGuy (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support, per DreamGuy.  Once the triviacruft is removed, what remains can be added back to the main article.  No need for a split in the first place, and no discussion on the part of the editor who performed it. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support merger, acknowledging that some of the items to be merged are at best dubiously notable and may not, in fact, necessarily qualify for inclusion in the merged article, as per DreamGuy. John Carter (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

text: If the material is bad enough to be deleted, then it should be deleted, not hidden in another article. If that's you're worry, I suggest you remove all unreferenced appearances and restructure the article around cited analysis. That, of course, would be starting from the beginning. Mintrick (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not 'hidden' by being in a main article - my point is this completely arbitrary and unnecessary splitting of articles that you have embarked upon. And yes, if there are a couple of notable appearances but the consensus is to delete the article as a whole, then they are more likely to remain in the pedia. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way it'd be deleted, as long as you have at least a handful of people there to say Keep.  Then you'll get a no consensus, at the very least.  I've seen articles like that preserved before, and will fight to keep it should anyone ever nominate it for deletion.  If that information was copied to the main article, someone would come along and tag it as trivia, then try to destroy it.  Best to keep it where its at now.  Dream Focus 12:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, in arms, brother :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Apparently DF is saying that he'll do whatever it takes to keep the info, despite it not meeting our content policies. I've seen plenty of those deleted before, and just because DF votes Keep on everything he sees doesn't mean everything ends up kept. Quite the contrary, in fact. DreamGuy (talk) 13:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh DG, don't be such a wet blanket :( I keep promising to try and dig up some stuff, I know. I will remove some spam though :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no consensus to merge, or destroy outright and add in a redirect, and yet on his own DreamGuy decided to do so, effectively destroying the other article.  I'm going to go undo that now.  Form a proper consensus, and stop bothering it.  Also, you don't need references to confirm those sources mentioned had a manticore in them.  If you think the article has merit to exist, then you can nominate it for deletion through the proper procedures.  Dream Focus 14:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Sorry Mintrick for the rollback. meant to hit 'undo' with commentary. I am digging up some sources. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I still think they are better together than split - one article is plent big enough for all. I will hunt down some more sources later. Note merge does not mean delete. I do think some articles warrant a separate cultural article when they are big enough, but most aren't, and there is no clear boundary between ancient and modern pop culture. Think fo Dante, Aesop's fables, shakespeare, various Roman writers, psychology etc. the split is in general not valid. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal  

message: :# Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: # The material does need some kind of verification/notation as to its significance though; possibly a lot of it can be discarded. Шизомби (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support "merge," but really only a couple of things on the other article are notable enough to be moved over and the rest should be deleted as triviacruft. DreamGuy (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support, per DreamGuy.  Once the triviacruft is removed, what remains can be added back to the main article.  No need for a split in the first place, and no discussion on the part of the editor who performed it. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: #Support merger, acknowledging that some of the items to be merged are at best dubiously notable and may not, in fact, necessarily qualify for inclusion in the merged article, as per DreamGuy. John Carter (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: * Oppose deletion merger There is no way to merge that much information into the main article.  Most of it would be deleted.  Preserve, don't destroy.  It is notable to see how a mythical creature appeared in so many stories throughout history. Dream Focus 22:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: My worry is that this page is more vulnerable to being deleted as is (i.e. on its own) than combined into parent article. As well, there is no clear line between ancient and modern. I wasn't meaning a deletion merger by any means. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the material is bad enough to be deleted, then it should be deleted, not hidden in another article. If that's you're worry, I suggest you remove all unreferenced appearances and restructure the article around cited analysis. That, of course, would be starting from the beginning. Mintrick (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not 'hidden' by being in a main article - my point is this completely arbitrary and unnecessary splitting of articles that you have embarked upon. And yes, if there are a couple of notable appearances but the consensus is to delete the article as a whole, then they are more likely to remain in the pedia. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way it'd be deleted, as long as you have at least a handful of people there to say Keep.  Then you'll get a no consensus, at the very least.  I've seen articles like that preserved before, and will fight to keep it should anyone ever nominate it for deletion.  If that information was copied to the main article, someone would come along and tag it as trivia, then try to destroy it.  Best to keep it where its at now.  Dream Focus 12:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, in arms, brother :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Apparently DF is saying that he'll do whatever it takes to keep the info, despite it not meeting our content policies. I've seen plenty of those deleted before, and just because DF votes Keep on everything he sees doesn't mean everything ends up kept. Quite the contrary, in fact. DreamGuy (talk) 13:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh DG, don't be such a wet blanket :( I keep promising to try and dig up some stuff, I know. I will remove some spam though :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no consensus to merge, or destroy outright and add in a redirect, and yet on his own DreamGuy decided to do so, effectively destroying the other article.  I'm going to go undo that now.  Form a proper consensus, and stop bothering it.  Also, you don't need references to confirm those sources mentioned had a manticore in them.  If you think the article has merit to exist, then you can nominate it for deletion through the proper procedures.  Dream Focus 14:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Sorry Mintrick for the rollback. meant to hit 'undo' with commentary. I am digging up some sources. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I still think they are better together than split - one article is plent big enough for all. I will hunt down some more sources later. Note merge does not mean delete. I do think some articles warrant a separate cultural article when they are big enough, but most aren't, and there is no clear boundary between ancient and modern pop culture. Think fo Dante, Aesop's fables, shakespeare, various Roman writers, psychology etc. the split is in general not valid. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: OK, rather than get in a revert war over unsourced material, I have placed it here and material can be transferred once reliable sources are found: Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop culture material - placed here while sources are found 

message: * In the book by Rick Riordan, The Titan's Curse, the manticore, named Dr. Thorn, is the headmaster of a military school. Thorn was later killed by the Greek god Dionysus.
* In Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses, one of the characters has a short series of encounters with what he calls a manticore in the streets of Jahilia, an ancient Arabian town which is the setting of some of the flashback-dream sequences.
* In Dante's Inferno, Dante and Virgil descend to the 8th circle on the back of Geryon, a Manticore.  Here the manticore is a symbol of fraud with a human face to depict the uniquely human nature of the sin.
* Piers Anthony's first Xanth novel, A Spell for Chameleon, features a manticore guarding the Good Magician Humphrey's magical demesnes, and poses one of the challenges protagonist Bink must pass to meet the wizard. The paperback printed by Del Rey features this scene with the manticore on the cover.
* Canadian writer Robertson Davies wrote a novel entitled The Manticore, published in 1972. It is the second volume of his "Deptford trilogy," which begins with Fifth Business and concludes with World of Wonders.  The manticore figures into protagonist David's psycho-analysis under Jungian analyst Dr. VonHaller.  David's dream of the manticore is reflective of himself and the roles he plays interacting with other people and society. reffed and added - was an award-winning book Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: * Manticores are enemies encountered in Cadash.
* Manticores are enemies encountered in  The Legend Of Dragoon.
* Manticore is the name of a NPC and Contact in the MMORPG City of Heroes.
* It is a troop unit available for hire in Heroes of Might and Magic III
* It is a neutral creature in Heroes of Might and Magic V
* In Titan Quest there is a Manticore in Chapter 2 in a cave. It is characterized as a legendary beast.
* The Manticore is an enemy creature on the Sega Master System game Phantasy Star.
* The Manticore, along with several variations, are enemies in Golden Sun.
* In Descent: FreeSpace - The Great War, the Manticore is a class of Shivan interceptor, and is the fastest ship in the game.
* Manticore appears as a boss monster in the Super Nintendo game Final Fantasy V.
* Manticore is the name of a (L) unit in Vrael@USEast's Feyvern RolePlay on the online game StarCraft: Brood War.
* Manticores and variations appear as monsters in the MMORPG game Final Fantasy XI.
* Manticore is the name of one of the more powerful civilian / privateer vessels in the PC & Mac game from Ambrosia Software, Escape Velocity Nova.
* Manticores were present in an early Windows video game entitled "Castle of the Winds: A Quest for Vengeance" and in its sequel "Castle of the Winds: Lifthransir's Bane"
* Manticores were also used in Electronic Arts "Archon" 1984 which was available on several computer systems and game consoles including Atari and Commodore .
* Sony Entertainment's Everquest Also used the Beasts In Mid Level Zone.
* Manticores appear as flying mounts in Total Chaos.
* A Manticore is a creature in the Castlevania video game series. It has the tail of a scorpion, wings of a bat and the body/head of a lion.
* Manticores also appear in the popular computer game Age of Mythology and Age of Mythology: The Titans Expansion Pack.
* In Disgaea : Hour/Afternoon of Darkness a manticore type creature appears as an enemy, when once defeated can be used as an ally
* Manticores appear in the Online games called 'Which Way?' and 'Get lost'
* A Manticore appears at the end of stage 2-1 of the Super Nintendo game ActRaiser
* In the card-based action role-playing game Lost Kingdoms II there is a manticore card.
* In the MMORPG EVE Online there is a Caldari Stealth Bomber class ship called "Manticore"
* Manticores also make a random appearance in the RPG Tales of Eternia.
* In the role-playing game Valkyrie Profile for Sony's PSX, the Manticore is a recurrent enemy at Lezard's Tower dungeon.
* Manticores are tamable monsters in the RPG Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
* Manticores occasionally appear in Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, as Dark Elf pets for instance.
* https://www.google.gr/search?client=aff-maxthon-maxthon4&channel=t26&q=mtg+manticore&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=Sk69WrbOFKHm6ASj2bnICQ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.220.160 (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video games 

message: * The Unicorn, the Gorgon, and the Manticore is the title of a cantata by Gian Carlo Menotti The three creatures described in the story are depicted as fanciful and benign, not as monsters.
* In Stephen Sondheim's fairytale musical Into the Woods, the manticore is mentioned as a possibility for what destroyed the Baker's house. The Witch dismisses it as imaginary.
* Manticore is referenced by Clutch (band) singer Neil Fallon in the song "Circus Maximus" from the 2005 album Robot Hive/Exodus.
* Tycho Brahe mentions manticores in a strip of the webcomic Penny Arcade.
* Leeds Surrealist Group, in the UK, published a four page A3 bulletin, called 'Manticore: Surrealist Communication' between 1997 and 2006 (eight issues).
* Manticore Records is the name of the record label launched by the progressive rock band Emerson, Lake and Palmer during the early 70s. It is derived from the inner gatefold sleeve of the album Tarkus by ELP and shows a series of pictures depicting battles between Tarkus and other half-mechanical creatures, until its eventual defeat by a manticore. "Tarkus" then becomes "Aquatarkus", an aquatic version of the land-bound original.
* In the Star Wars expanded universe, Imperial Admiral Daala commanded a small fleet of Star Destroyers whose names were taken from various legendary creatures: Manticore, Basilisk, Hydra, and Gorgon.
* In the Warhammer Fantasy setting, Manticores are vicious creatures of Chaos. They are sometimes ridden into war by the Dark Elves, who see Manticores as holy creatures of their god Khaine.
* In the YU-GI-OH! trading card game there is a card called Manticore of Darkness.
* Not sure how notable this is, but  (a pretty well-known card from Born of the Gods, one of the most recent Magic: The Gathering sets) is a manticore. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 04:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: The article says the mythical creature is called Baricos/Bárikos (Βάρικος; "Βάρἰκος" is obviously mispelled) in Greek language; I could find no reference for this, neither on Google nor in my Greek dictionaries. The most similar word I could find is the adjective βαρύκομπος (barýkompos), found in Pindar, Pythian 5.57, where it means 'loud-roaring (lions)' (βαρύκομποι λέοντες)--Carnby (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baricos? 

message: My Greek dictionary (Montanari) says μαρτιχόρας (martichóras) comes from Persian mardom-xār, meaning 'man-eater, tiger'.--Carnby (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I'm sorry, but just because an author of a book on Picts makes some bizarre claim that an image is a manticore, despite it looking nothing like one and the author having no background in the topic, doesn't mean Wikipedia has to include it. Plus the image is very poor quality to begin with. There's absolutely no reason for its inclusion here. The only person supporting it has been the person who took the photo. I'm thinking the edit has more to do with vanity than any serious effort to contribute to this topic.  DreamGuy (talk) 19:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, the contributor who keeps posting that image should quote the passage by Anna Ritchie in this discussion page; besides, he should find other references to that pic, since the picture is bad and it is not clear at all that it really shows a manticore.--Carnby (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Pictish manticore image removed 

message: Similar to the above, I removed text and an image claiming a manticore was on a wall, when it was clearly a centaur or some other similar creature. The book being used as a reference was by an author who is not an expert on mythical creatures, and it appeared to be one of those paranormal type WP:FRINGE books. DreamGuy (talk) 16:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another alleged manticore image removed 

message: An IP has just changed "an heraldic tiger" to "a heraldic tiger" with the justification "You only use 'an' before a word that starts with 'h' if the 'h' is silent, meaning that the word sounds as if it starts with a vowel". I'm not going to get into an edit war over this, but I want to put on record that this statement is complete bollocks. There's a long tradition of saying and writing "an heraldic ..." (as there is of saying and writing "an historic ...", "an heroic ...", etc), and both "a" and "an" are equally correct and acceptable. The Wikipedia article on Coat of arms, for example, defines a coat of arms as "an heraldic visual design ...". For a lengthy discussion, see here. GrindtXX (talk) 16:50, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  an heraldic 

message: The spiked tails sound a whole lot like ankylosaurs or stegasaurs.  Fossils?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabbycatlove (talk • contribs) 14:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dinosaurs?