Talk:Hel (location)

message: What's the source for the use of "Helgardh" rather than "Hel" or "Helheim"? I've been unable to find any use of this form elsewhere and I've also never encounterd the spelling "gardh" for the Norse "garðr" postfix elsewhere.
:Indeed, I don't think "Helgarðr" occurs anywhere in the sources (though if it did "Helgardh" would be as good an Anglicization of it as any other). I'm moving the page to Hel (realm) for now. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 14:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Helgardh"

message: The recent edit makes the following statement: "Hel is not to be confused with Niflheim. They are completely different places."  This edit is unsigned and not cited.  I have already written about the ambiguity on the subject on the Talk:Niflheim page, dated 2007 January 8th.  The reality is that Hel and Niflheim ARE confused with each other.  For such a statement on the contrary to exist in an encyclopedic article, definitive evidence is needed.  Please cite a professional/academic source AND state the reasons for your conclusion, or it will be reverted.  At least this needs to show why the two places should not be confused with each other, even though there is so much confusion. --Trakon 09:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon edits w/o sources.

message: The Helheim page redirects here. Helheim is referenced in Finnish WP, French WP, and on various Internet sources, so I put it back in. If there's a source for the assertion that the term appears in no original sources, then let's see the reference. If there's no reference showing that Helheim is inauthentic, then it should remain. Jonathan Tweet 15:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, no you've got that backwards :) If you want it in then you're the one who needs to find a reliable source for it. Haukur 15:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The following statement is true: A reference is needed for authentication.  Jonathan Tweet has it backwards.  If this were not the case, we could also write about how Elvis, Cobain, and Hendrix all live in my backyard as undead zombies, at least until someone provides a source stating otherwise.  --Trakon 05:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: helheim

message: I have since reread much of the texts (and multiple versions).  Hel is equivocated as both a being/realm.  I still maintain the belief that Hel (realm) needs to be merged with Niflheim.  One thing that is even more troubling to me, however, is that in the current revision of the article, Hel is said to be a hall.  This I do not remember.  Citation is needed and while that's being taken care of at it, the solution to this analogy:
:Hel/Niflheim is to Eliudnir as Asgard is to Valhalla and Fólkvangr.
Hel (being) lives in Eliudnir, does she not?  It doesn't make sense that Hel (realm) would be a hall with another hall called Eliudnir inside of it.  I add, and this may be a bit too slippery at the moment, that this hole is easily solved if either Hel (realm) is Eliudnir or Hel (realm) is Niflheim.  
On the other hand, I can imagine situations where Hel (realm) is either a hall in or is a realm that is NOT Niflheim.  In either case Hel (being) lives in Eliudnir.  If both Hel (realm) and Niflheim are realms (one moment to specify, "realms" as in worlds, not just halls), then Eliudnir could exist in either. --Trakon 11:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Hel a hall or a realm, or are the terms synonymous?

message: In the article Niflheim, it says that Hel is located within Niflheim, but on the Hel (realm) article, it says that they are completely different places.  This is contradictory information; please verify & fix.  --Wykypydya 01:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I understand, Helheim is either a synonym for Niflheim (Hel home) or, more likely, a hall in Niflheim. It's probably a similar situation to the location of Valhalla in Asgard - Valhalla is a location within Asgard. :bloodofox: 02:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction with [[Niflheim]]

message: I have just removed some information relating to Náströnd and placed a link in the "See also" section. In relation to this, there is a conversation going on (hopefully) about why I did so here: Talk:Náströnd#Náströnd -inside- Hel, the location? :bloodofox: (talk) 11:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Náströnd -inside- Hel, the location?

message: "unlike English hell, did not imply any sense of damnation or punishment."
In Prose Edda it says "But evil men go to Hel" ( http://web.archive.org/web/20080518124955/www.northvegr.org/lore/prose/013016.php )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.138.73.35 (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hel(l) 

message: In the etymology section it states "Hęl derives from Proto-Germanic *khalija*".  Does anyone know if there's an etymological connection to the Hindu goddes Kali? Based on the word's Indo-European roots, it seems possible.  With the similar chthonic natures of Hel's mistress & Kali, it would make an intersting not for the section ic it could be confirmed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadScientist72 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The etymology section is currently poorly sourced and either needs to be appropriately sourced or rewritten with a better source employed. Comparative material is welcome. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

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