Talk:Chinese poetry

message: I've expanded the content significantly, to cover the forms in more detail and adding forms not already covered.   The structure at the moment is based on the forms used in each period (early, classical, modern), which I think (hope) works OK.
Markalexander100 07:22, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanded

message: We need something that we can link to to explain the different forms when we mention them in other articles.   I think that means either spinning off each of the forms to its own page (like ci-poetry), or section headings for each form.  Comments? Markalexander100 07:01, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely spin-off new articles. They are literary forms with tremendous amount of works. --Menchi 11:09, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In regards to links, I think the "See also" section, now organized into subsections, will help. As to "spinning off" new articles, I think that it would be most help that when doing so that 1) a link to it be included in the "See also" section, or other appropriate and prominent location, and 2) that a summary of the "spun off" material be retained in the main article, and in such a way as to preserve its overall cohesive structure and flow. Dcattell (talk) 19:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Links needed

message: This article and the shi article show some misconceptions of Chinese poetry. Terminology is a problem. I've tried to correct them. But there are still too many things to do.--K.C. Tang 04:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think examples are an excellent idea; however, there are obvious potential copyright issues, especially with English translations and with Modern Chinese poetry. Dcattell (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: I'm not finding this article very useful for getting a good overview of the history of Chinese literature, and I've had classes on the subject, so I'm somewhat familiar. But it seems that each section is too short to provide a good introduction to both the formal characteristics of each period and the key movements/poets. How can we better organize the individual sections? Aristophanes68 (talk) 02:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned up the Early Poetry section, so that should be taken care of, unless someone wants to expand it. Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now cleaned up the Classical Poetry section, but this could really use an expert's help! Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I have taken a brief survey of the history. I think part of the problem is that parts of the article have been "spun off" without being replaced with either an adequate summary or clear linkage. I think much of the material exists in various other articles: part of the problem is/has been to find them and then incorporate them appropriately into the main article. Similarly, there are many related articles which should be integrated, for instance some of the articles developed by the guqin people or the linguists or the modern English poetry fans (not to mention the military historians and biographers -- this is a particular problem since almost anyone of any notability for much of Chinese history seems to have been a poet). One approach to making this a better article is to 1) find relevant individual articles and add them to appropriate categories (as far as these exist, I find them somewhat problematic, and the same with the portals, such as Poetry and China), 2) to make prominent and stable links to the relevant material that is in these articles (apparently material has been moved to a separate subarticle, leaving behind an in-line link, which has later been carelessly edited over, changed, or moved --or the article linked to was renamed, etc.-- contributing to a disruption of article's the overall structural integrity), and 3) to integrate the material from these articles into the main "Chinese poetry" article as organized summaries. In the course of trying to make a start to this I have also noted the presence of plural articles on the same person/subject or overlapping and unlinked material within the articles, much of this due to the historical Chinese practice of one individual having various names: given names, style names, and so on, and in the case of the emperors (often poets) temple names and posthumous names. Combined with the high degree of homophony characteristic of Chinese, together with dialectical variants, and huge inconsistencies when it comes to transliteration into English. But now that I have complained longer than anyone else here, I'll end on a careless comma, Dcattell (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: The last section on modern poetry was full of grammatical errors and it was entirely unreferenced. I didn't disagree with everything in it, so I left it and just tried to clean it up, but it requires some research to be satisfactory. I will try to get back to this after I read up on the topic some more. —Zujine|talk 03:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Poetry 

message: The final sentence "Other notable poetry was written during the Ming Dynasty, the Ming-Qing Transition, and during the Qing Dynasty." seems unacceptably vague. Is there any reason not to delete it? It could also be rephrased to refer to "many minor developments", but why bring them up without description?
Philipmerrill (talk) 12:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason that this section is poorly developed is that no one has gotten around to making the improvements which it probably deserves. Ideally, I think it should be expanded into two or three subsections within the Chinese poetry article and with linked main articles. Dcattell (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ming, Ming-Qing Transition, and Qing poetry 

message: The four notes that are presently there all are referred from the beginning paragraph of the main body on Classical Chinese poetry and only supply the characters to go with four major poetic styles (shi, ci, qu, and fu). Once the article gets going two paragraphs later, characters are inserted into the text enclosed by parentheses, so there is a certain inconsistency between that practice and the notes. I can see the desirability of having a notes section but I suggest that this is a poor use of it, and the characters should be inserted in parentheses where the present footnote references are.
Philipmerrill (talk) 12:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ideally, the Notes section would at least (or primarily) contain citations from the reference sources listed in the Reference section. Some of these actual references may be found in the linked Main articles. The question of how or to what extent Chinese text should be included in English Wikipedia articles is still fairly open. Dcattell (talk) 02:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes 

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http://books.google.com/books?id=QmSIiSXyL88C&pg=PT19&dq=Pusaman+tang+japanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qBmnUPuWKrPF0AH02IDgCA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZKdPAAAAMAAJ&q=Pusaman+tang+japanese&dq=Pusaman+tang+japanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qBmnUPuWKrPF0AH02IDgCA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?id=JUVIAQAAIAAJ&q=Pusaman+tang+japanese&dq=Pusaman+tang+japanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qBmnUPuWKrPF0AH02IDgCA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=aV8HAQAAIAAJ&q=Pusaman+tang+japanese&dq=Pusaman+tang+japanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qBmnUPuWKrPF0AH02IDgCA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=Lgs4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xRNnU-SpDyYC&pg=PA818&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1RNX8IW2dTEC&pg=PA73&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=BJ8QAAAAYAAJ&q=Pusa+man+tang&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=idt8pQQKrfQC&pg=PA216&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=84042rX5WnUC&pg=PA14&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qAqGhgMx8PIC&pg=PA257&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ciGnUP6HAYjo0gGq_YC4BQ&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Pusa%20man%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fOQrAQAAIAAJ&q=Pusa+man+tang&dq=Pusa+man+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DSKnULb8OJC_0QHi7oDYAQ&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBzgU
Guderyean (talk) 05:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetry sung to Pusaman melody 

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message: Could someone create an article for the early Qing Dynasty poet Mao Xianshu (毛先舒)? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needed for Mao Xianshu

message: New article needed: Ten Talents of the Dali Reign (大历十才子; pinyin: Dàlì Shí Cáizǐ). 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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