Talk:List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes/Archive 3

message: If someone else agrees with me I would like to archive this page once the Featured List Nominatoin ends. Cnriaczoy42 03:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have archived everything above this on the talk page. The list to the disscusion where we decided on the standards still links there. Cnriaczoy42 21:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TIme to archive? 

message: The first episode of Season 3 is the awakening, said by several websites. Dar book 07:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to 1 2 and 3? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, he just gets them randomly from his inside man in Avatar. I'm not sure if they make the episode names in order. Maybe what just first comes up. -Dylan0513 11:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: He as also anounced that that episode 3.3 will be titled "The Painted Lady". Again please don't post it as above. The Placebo Effect 02:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No, season three hasn't started, and there's no official word on when it will.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Season III did start just now xd well since u haven't posted. - Hariki<3 00:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get Ready... 

message: The page says that there was one exception where release didn't line up with continuity. Which one was that exactly? - Joshua368 13:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Appa's Lost Days, which showed events that happened at the same time as various events from several previous episodes, back to and including The Desert. Y BCZ 15:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it really noteworthy though? From a storytelling perspective, everything has been released in the right order... - Joshua368 15:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...It's a single clarification. It's three words. Who cares? Y BCZ 17:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one cared, it would've just gotten deleted. >.> - Joshua368 20:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Exception? 

message: Whoever keeps removing the source, please stop. Avatar Spirit and Distant Horizons are official fan sites recognized by Nickelodeon. This page requires a source for the episode listings so it doesn't look like we pulled them out of our (*EXPLICIT WARNING*) butt. Please don't remove anymore sources. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar Spirit 

message: Well... It shouldn't be listed or something like that in the article? Maybe...Maybe not. Diego Godoy (Talk to me =P) 02:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an episode. It being on the media page is good enough. -Dylan0513 03:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a full episode and it's not cannon, but it's clearly an episode.  Of course it should be on this page.  It just should be under a separate category for "specials" is all.  I'm too lazy to add it, though. ButteredToast 05:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not an episode. It is a special or short and we took that catagory away long ago. -Dylan0513 12:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See, the problem here is that whether or not it counts as an episode is more of a matter of opinion.  There are too many ways to interpret the definition of "episode" to say for a FACT whether or not a special or a short counts.  It's really up to the individual to decide.  This is one of those fundamental flaws in having an open-source encyclopedia. ButteredToast 00:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not an episode, it's a short. That's why it's nick.com/avatarshort. All sources will say it is a short. I don't understand how you think it's an episode. -Dylan0513 00:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calm down.  Nobody's editing your precious Wikipedia article to include School Shipping. 9_9  We're both right.  You're arguing semantics.  Get over it. ButteredToast 05:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Nick just showed off two more shorts during an Avatar Marathon, consisting of "Swamp Skiin' Throwdown" and "Bender Battle" on the Nicktoons Network.  It might be grounds on putting the special/short section back into the article.68.228.36.135 06:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Time Shipping 

message: There is a discussion about Fair use images in featured lists at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_criteria#Fair_Use_images which may result in this list losing its featured list status. - Peregrine Fisher 23:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh...well, if it comes to that, I'd rather have a list that's actually useful than have a shiny star in the corner.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why was this done suddenly without further discussion? Wouldn't the only consequence have been losing featured status? would that really be so bad?74.134.251.144 22:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus got established (elsewhere) to ban this sort of use all together. Can't say I agree with it, but c'est la vie.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it doesn't even look there's consensus for this.  This is something that got pushed through by a group of admins using their power to lock articles once they've made their deletions.  --Minderbinder 22:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well still, is it for the sake of featured status or general policy. If it's the former then it sounds like consensus would be required. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.134.251.144 (talk) 03:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove images or lose featured list status 

message: There is a discussion concerning the images on this list at |Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Clean_up_for_the_featured_ones. - Peregrine Fisher 18:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Removal of images from lists of episodes#Clean up for the featured ones|Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Clean_up_for_the_featured_ones]] 

message: has the complete book one DVD been released in the UK yet? please tell me.--P. Skiddy 17:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK DVD Level 2 headlineease 

message: Hey guys, how bout I shorten the text for the summaries of the episodes? The reason this is a good idea is because it will ruin everything for the people who read it. I am not going to change the names of the episodes or conjoin them like jimblack did, but I just want to shorten the summaries. so please let me. Arlion 20:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya Jim. Got another sock puppet, eh? (You aren't fooling anybody.) Anyway, at least you're using talk pages now, that's a nice change. However, I'm afraid Wikipedia policy dosn't let us remove/shorten things just to avoid spoilers.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment by [[User:Arlion|Arlion]] 20:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)Arlion 

message: Who the **** got rid of all the pictures for the episodes and DVD boxes? I mean i wanna know what the S2V4 picture is but its not there. But they had the S2V3 pic before it came out so what happened? (RedwallFreak305, July 4 2007, 9:41 pm)
:Long story short, it got decided fair use images weren't going to be allowed in these lists anymore. Nothing to be done about it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: according to this link, the first volume of Book 3: Fire will be released on October 30th, 2007. Should we add this to the list? Granted, we're not even 100% sure yet what each episode will be called (The awakening, Sokka's master, ect. are all just reported), but we do know that the season will start before the episodes are released on DVD. Also, the above link contains a picture of the Book 3 DVD coverart. Spoilers lay within.
--Piemanmoo 12:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the link, it should air before October when according to the link is when the DVD for the third season will be released. However, this looks pretty right on, so possibly expect the third season around September.69.136.181.249 14:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Not a forum H2P, keep this stuff off here... lol. -Dylan0513 00:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually just trying to make sure there is a reminder (while putting in a forum opinion...). I've seen the IMDB names removed a few times now. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 07:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those acrually aren't IMBD names anymore. Most on there are from Dongbufeng and pooldude now. -Dylan0513 11:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: that image looks like fan art Speaketh now to me! 15:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but it it's real. See my comments here. The image has been confirmed on an established site generally considered reliable, as well as by a known member of the show staff. Lucky number 49 17:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I was the one who originally saw this news item  on TVShowsonDVD.com and then emailed it to AvatarSpirit.net and posted it on Wiki. As AvatarSpirit.net notes, TVShowsonDVD.com "gets its information right from Paramount's password protected press website." So yeah, I'm pretty certain it's real.--Choi9999 23:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The air dates for season 3 are up on TV.com. --ShanRen 22:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Start of Season 3 was 'officially' announced at SDCC as September 21, 2007, 8 PM EDT. --opello 05:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 DVD release date 

message: I think the statement about the start of the next season  "The third season begins with Aang aboard a Fire Nation ship and Zuko returning home." needs some reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beast of traal (talk • contribs) 19:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third season 

message: Has anyone actually looked at the nick.com site? According to this site,  (nick's main avatar page), the season begins on September 21 8:30p.m., and also the commercials agree with this. I think thats about all the evidence needed to change that. It's just been bugging me for a while and it can no longer simply be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Lihead1 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  start of season 3 

message: When I bought the DVD I got a Aang figure with it, but oddly enough I haven't found any other information about the DVD coming out with a figure.  Should the figure be added to the DVD information? 75.110.134.91 02:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aang figure with Book 2 volume 4. 

message: Should this be added? (The Season 2 Jump-On)? 24.5.135.180 05:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recap with Katara 

message: I just check IMBD.com and TV.com and they had episode tittles!!! Yay!!! So here were the tittles that I saw form IMBD.com first episode obvously-The Awakening, second episonde also obvouse-The Headband, third episode-The Painted Lady (intresting), fourth episode-Sokka's Master, fith episode-The Beach, (episode number six is not listed) seventh episode-The Runaway, eighth episode-The Puppetmaster. Now here is TV.com first episode-The Awakening,second episonde-The Headband, third episode-The Painted Lady, fourth episode-Sokka's Master, fith episode-The Beach, (sixth episode is still not listed) seventh episode-The Runaway, eighth episode-The Puppetmaster and the ninth episode-Nightmares and Daydreams. Not sure if these are useable but that's what I found.Smileyface 12 91 00:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, TV.com isn't considered reliable. Long story short, all their info comes from an unofficial leak at Nickelodeon, not any kind of official publication or anything, doesn't cut it for Wikipedia. Also, IMDB is most assuredly not reliable in regard to episode titles and so forth. They've had some incredible garbage in the past; the editorial oversight is nil. In this case, my best guess is that their stuff is just copied off TV.com, anyway.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, they're just a fansite...their stuff is coming from that tvshows on dvd site, I'm not sure about where they get there stuff from, have to look into that.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I am now putting up the argument that TvShowsOnDVD is not a reliable source based on the information that 310 was an assumed title at that the others were gotten from Dongbufeng.net, which is not considered a reliable source on wiki. The titles will be taken down until this is discussed further. -Dylan0513 19:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and there's a discussion on this on the deletion page too. I think it would be more appropriate here, but whatever. -Dylan0513 19:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: regardless of where the information comes from, Nickelodeon considers them an official source, so we should consider them one too. i doubt that they would release unscourced info. Rau J16 22:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the source, the assume these are the names. The Placebo Effect 22:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nickelodeon considers them an official source"? How do you figure? You do realize that Avatar Spirit is just a fansite, not affiliated with Nick or anything, right?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure if you considered them reliable or not, but I have been to some pages that do. Just thought it couldn't hurt to tell you what I saw. About  it does have some info on it, but I don't think that nick would have the Day of  Black Sun so soon. Well I guess it could just be them talking about it. Any way if it's just a fan site it is very likely that they are just guessing about what will be on there. It will only be a few more weeks until we know for sure so why not wait? and as I said I was just sharing what I found I'm sure rauj16 was just doing the same.Smileyface 12 91 08:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: [reindent] It was on this, and other avatar pages when looking for sources, and name one time avatar spirit posted incorrect information. THEY ARE RELIABLE. Rau J16 19:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AS got their information from the aformentioned article. That article is assuming the names of the episodes based on the leak at donbufeng, ergo, it is not verified and not sutiable for wikipedia The Placebo Effect 19:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Look, Avatar Spirit parroting assumptions made elsewhere does not make those assumptions facts. ASN's own news page says that got the info from tvshowsondvd.com, and that site just assumed at the episode names for season three's disc two, they didn't get it from an official publication or anything. I don't care if half the sites on the internet have these episode titles, until it comes from a reliable source, it doesn't go in the article.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine Fine, but then the DVD information, and the assumed titles should all be removed. Rau J16 01:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  I think that TVShowsOnDVD count cause I found it from Avatar Spirit but someone had to delete it when it was removed. - Hariki<3 00:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Avatar Spirit got their information from this article, which in its wording does not 100% confirm the episode titles  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Placebo Effect (talk • contribs) 00:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I Think it's perfectly fine. I use it too and get all the info and I think it is reasonable. Avatar Portal has some info too!!! http://www.theavatarportal.com/ Anyways Avatar Spirit and Avatar Portal was right for the first 5 episodes. I think they are right as well - Hariki<3 00:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1-9 episode titles

message: more news on volume 2 is out just a heads up Rau J16 05:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The writeup on volume 2 says '7-10'. I'm pretty certain this should be 6-10, since volume 1 only has 5 episodes and the rest are supposed to as well (7-10 would only be 4). I've changed this, if anyone has a problem please say so. Tyciol 21:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire Volume 2 

message: Should the images of the DVDs be put into the charts? This is Wikipedia after all, and it would be best to show all the info. --Lucky135g 22:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't beacuse we are not allowed to have an excess amount of fair use images in an article, and puting 16 episodes would be too many. The Placebo Effect 22:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of DVDs? 

message: Does "upcoming" refer to America or in general?  Because The Avatar and the Fire Lord just aired in the UK. --Sonic Mew 17:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I assume if it really has aired in the UK, then it can be moved out of the Upcoming section. I'll give you the honor, but prepare to get flamed by the Avatar WikiProject. The Placebo Effect 17:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Upcoming" subheading 

message: In the UK, the first TEN episodes are being aired this week. That means that The Avatar and The Firelord, which airs in the US on Friday, Aired earlier today. FOur more episodes which have not been released in America yet, will air on thursday and Friday. The question is this: Do we add these episodes to the Aired section, because they have been released, or leave them in the upcoming episode section until the episodes are released in the US? My personal view is that since the episodes have aired somewhere in the world, they should be moved out of the upcoming episode section to the aired section. If you read this, Please respond because this will have to be solved ASAP because two new episodes come out Thursday and Friday night in the UK. The Placebo Effect 03:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we put it in the aired section but written on it as ONLY IN UK. When they are actually aired we removed the ONLY AIRED IN UK. - Hariki<3 01:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: THat works better on article pages than this list. The Placebo Effect 01:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMPORTANT DISCUSSION 

message: This article was tagged for deletion as a hoax, and I am not familiar enough with this show to know whether it's a legit episode or not.  Could one of you good folks help me out by either slapping a source on that article or tagging it for AfD deletion, as appropriate?  Thanks bunches. -FisherQueen (talk • contribs) 11:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That episode does not exist, the page should have been deleted. Rau J16 23:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Western Air Temple]] 

message: Someone needs to change when Book 3 Fire: Volume 1 came out because it was available at Best Buy today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.161.227 (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Release Date 

message: I know i'm probably making to big a deal about this, but why is creepy in the description of The Puppetmaster it just seems to opinionated for a wiki. Link287 04:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT The Placebo Effect 05:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creepy 

message: i changed the episodes of avatar shorts from '1' in2 'Short 1', since there is already and episode 1.
 and changed chpater in2 N/A, since it is not really a chapter.
219.88.255.88 05:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the shorst really deserve their own articles? I mean they hold not plot relivence so they are really just for entertainment, and in such case it would be easier to just watch them if you want to know what happens in them. I'd argue differently if they pertained to the actual plot of the series and added something to that story, but they don't. They're humorous shorts off on the side. Maybe one article for the three of them if it's really necesary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.26 (talk) 02:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to agree with you The Placebo Effect 23:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As would I. Seems to be entries on the episode list are all those really need.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar Shorts 

message: Not a big thing, but something I wanted to bring up: the next time we don't have info on any upcoming epsiodes, please don't just remove the section. That just makes it harder when that information eventually comes out. Instead, just comment it out, like so: . Thanks.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick request 

message: The information on future episode names I procured weeks ago from TVShowsonDVD and put up on the list page was removed at the time because someone was thought it unreliable. Of course, it turns out that information was completely correct. A consideration for the next time TVShowsonDVD provides episode names. --Choi9999 02:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read all of this Disscusion. The Placebo Effect 02:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that when TVShowsonDVD a) for a given news update b) is able to provide a copy of what the DVD cover will look like along with episode titles that c) the episode titles have at least some reliability associated with them that d) merits at least a status of "tentative." If we will only accept episode title information a) from Nick or b) when the episodes have actually aired somewhere in the world (as was the case with the UK episodes), then we should say so on the list of episodes page itself. Otherwise you'll just have people constantly arguing over the validity of one source over another. (Saying so in the discussion page seems less than useful, given the volume of information on the discussion page and the lack of ease of navigability of it. Somewhat reminiscent of the Vogons in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, who derided humans for not reading instructions posted on a closet orbiting another star.)--Choi9999 03:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: TVShowsonDVD 

message: How to deal with the annnounced episodes from, e.g. IMDB, where the title of episode 10 and 11 are told?
Afraca 16:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only TVguide.com and Nick,com are used when finding upoming episdoes. IMDB has been wrong, and tv.com gets information submited by uesre. The Placebo Effect 16:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Announced episodes 

message: They are both out on the same day? This will be a night to remember! --Lucky135g 02:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should they be merged into one article like The Siege of the North? Both are part 1, Part 2 episodes. The Placebo Effect 02:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it's being delayed due to a SpongeBob SquarePants marathon during Nick's Super Stuffed Weekend. Setherex 18:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day of the Black Sun Parts 

message: I just saw the episodes and it said the titles were:
The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion
The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclispe
--Lucky135g 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are 2 separate chapters. -Dylan0513 20:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Day of Black Sun is one chapter, aired as a movie.  When Nickelodeon aired it in both the UK and the US, the "title" pages clearly state the The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion was Chapter 10, and the Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse, was also Chapter 10.  Also, the credits to both parts were shown together after both parts were shown.  The credits are separated into Part 1 and 2 only because Avatar uses different writers and artists for each 30 minute segment of Avatar, since it takes roughly 8 months to produce one Avatar episode.  This is also why Avatar should not be affected by the writer's strike, since the story has already been written, and any break in the episodes is due to the time needed to produce the episodes. Also, Nickelodeon clearly stated that the Black Sun episodes were being aired as an hour long movie in both the US and the UK.  TV Guide in the US confirms this as the episode was shown on TV Guide the night of the 30th as: Movie: Avatar: The Last Airbender The Day of Black Sun.  Hope this helps. Jazzsax917 00:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: No, actually. The online ones were just leaked somehow.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I heard they both first aired on November 13th in the UK.  No, I don't have a source. ButteredToast (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ones that leaked were crappy .flv's but some tv quality .avi's have surfaced, perhaps this does mean that they aired. Rau J16 19:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Or you would just download them or go to one of the many sites dedicated to episode streaming, and also, please keep this discussion on topic, please. Rau J16 19:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  One: take you're spoilers and discussions elsewere this not a forum, two in the dvd section the day og black sun appears devided, with the second part in a diferent dvd. We should change it.--Tosta mista (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody divided the ep in two chapters, and it's only one, big, episode/chapter, not two.--Tosta mista (talk) 10:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind...--Tosta mista (talk) 10:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the old page The Day of Black Sun is still there. somebody should delet it ( i don't know how)--Tosta mista (talk) 12:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page deals with the chapter, its fine, when the episodes air they will both be put there. Rau J16 23:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well now they put "The Eclipse" on upcoming episode and "The Invasion" on the aired episodes. Even if they are not one chapter they still air together: If one as aired so as the other.--Tosta mista (talk) 19:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the invasion aired by itself in the netherlands. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, guys, since we are always accepting avatarspirit as a reliable source, we should, thus continue and add ep50 to the aired list, with the dutch airing date. (I truly don't understand the difficulties some people tend to have with the current airdates.)-Catneven (talk) 10:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The episodes are one chapter, that as been confirmed by that press release that said the the 3rd season add 21 episode but only 20 chapters, so we put then together--Tosta mista (talk) 21:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There are more sites that list both episodes as 2 rather than 1, however it yes yet to air in the US. I am confident that they will air the episode this Friday as a continuation episode without the commercial break, from the end of "the invasion" to the start of "the eclipse"; the episode is listed as a "tv movie" @ tv.com. The air dates has to follow the lead of next arcticle, "an important proposal," consistency between first air date, US air date, and "original air date. I second a split and list several air dates to satisfy the public. With the leaks available on the internet, [it] does not deter me from analyzing the complexity of the differences between the two, US air date episode vs. World air date episode, if there exists any! Jkdz100 (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TV.com is not a reliable source, and if we add all of the dates the page would become cluttered, ugly and too large. But both episodes have aired, so they are 'currently' in the aired section, unless some on can prove otherwise. the only problem with the current state, si the lack of a date for the second part, Avatar spirit only has an estimate. Rau J16 20:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since when was clutter and appearance and issue? They have NOW aired worldwide Jkdz100 11:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think that they aired world wide yet, just in a few countries, airing in America doesnt constitute a "Worldwide" release, and clutter and appearance will affect the grade the article receives and if its bad enough, even eventually have the list be put up for deletion, so to avoid that chain i still move to keep just the one column Rau J16 22:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did User:Jazzsax917 just post in the middle of a section, what purpose did that serve, i mean we already concluded that they were one chapter. Rau J16 00:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah....and everywhere else in the world they were both one chapter. Doesn't add up.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Except in the US, it says "Chapter 10" as it has everywhere else in the world. Until we get either offical confimation from Nick or the next episode comes out, then we can change the Chapter #. --The Placebo Effect (talk) 09:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus you digital camera shot of your TV is hardly reliable, that could easily be photoshoped to say "Chapter Eleven". Where as avatar spirit says that it is one chapter, and they are more reliable than your word of mouth. Rau J16 21:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, well, ONE: see b.y.w's post on the episode's talk page, he reached an understandable conclusion there, i have also made a point there(though not as good or resounding as b.y.w's). also, to keep this part of this discusion constructive, lets keep it on the other talk page, more people are responding there. Rau J16 06:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Day of Black Sun 

message: Ok, I dont know if this has been talked about but I feel this is important. While I do know that the matter of UK aired epsiodes has been discussed, I feel that this needs to be settled. I propose the creation of a new section or a new article with the various international air dates of Avatar: The Last Airbender. There is so much confusion on the world wide web about which Avatar episodes air when and where. Some of us know this is because people in various countries for example the United States want to know when episodes air in the UK, because the sooner they air, the sooner they know they can watch the episodes illegally online. I feel doing this would clear a lot of things up for a lot of people by providing a place where anyone can check when episodes will air in their region. That is what wikipedia is all about. After all it is an encyclopedia and should be a reliable source of information for anyone who needs it. Im not going to go into an entirely different subject but, the information that is available should not revolve around the schedule of the United States like it currently is, and I live here, and it is personally quite irritating. Please comment. Ebmonkey2 (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this would be like a TV guide. Good luck explaining at the AFD for this article that it is needed for the wiki. The Placebo Effect (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They did reach a conclusion, it was to put the date that it aired anywhere first, any time you see the U.S. dates as the 'original' the page has been edited by people who dont use the talk page, i checked the page before writing this, and those are the "First Ever" dates, with 6-9 having U.K. dates(you can tell because they are so close) Rau J16 20:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, and addition to the episode listings which includes the US air dates would considerable end all unnecessary further questions relating to this topic Jkdz100 (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on guys. Are we making an encyclopedia here or are we making an avatar fan-site, being careful not to step on its fanbase's toes. The bias towards US, UK or what country else -should- go. Why should a UK or US airdate have any significance to any other part of the world? People, who are just frustrated they haven't seen the eps yet, should not participate on such a note in this article. We should also remove the US and UK airdates from the template on each individual ep's page (avatar is one of the only series with such a contruction in its template), altough I do not know if this is the right place to discuss this matter.-Catneven (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, they should be removed from the articles, and if you would not discuss it here, then where, if you did it on the episode pages the discussion would be too wide spread to contribute any merit. And i also agree that the country doesnt matter, look at naruto, only about half of the series has aired here, and they list all of the episodes, even disregarding language. Rau J16 19:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just remove the airdates altogether if it's going to be this much of a problem?  I doubt anyone comes to Wikipedia for the purpose of looking up the original non-country-specific airdate of Avatar episode #18.74.73.7.57 23:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not an option. We don't censor a page because of bad edits. If somebody puts in the wrong airdate, they can be reverted. See? No problem.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "people in various countries for example the United States want to know when episodes air in the UK, because the sooner they air, the sooner they know they can watch the episodes illegally online"-is there no greater insult? Keyblade Mage 00:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

text: (REINDENT)Concerning this topic, no, there is no greater insult. but Fyre is right, plus it says on the list "Original Airdate" which implies anywhere at anytime, as long as its first; not even necessarily in English. Rau J16 04:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Important Proposal 

message: Okay there has been some confusion in this, The Invasion AND The Eclipes both say chapter 10 on the title card making it seem like they were both chapter 10. But the title card for the next episode The Western Air Temple says chapter 12. So did they skip chapter 11, or was there an anamation error on the title card of the Eclipes of one on The Western Air Temple, because I want to know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblue584 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter 11? 

message: "The Day of Black Sun" has already aired in some countries, this means the release date should be adjusted (30 November is only in the US) and it should be placed in Season 3. The Next Episode is "The Western Air Temple". The Western Air Temple is situated nearest to Fire Nation territory. It exclusively housed female Airbenders, and is the only temple not yet seen in the series. It is mentioned at the end of The Day of Black Sun, after the invasion failed, that they would go there for safety. Some theorize this episode will contain mayor revelations concerning the main characters, though this is hypothetical of course.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.224.134 (talk) 23:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is actually really annoying. Both parts have aired in the Netherlands, but finding a decent source saying so is a bit of a headache. AvatarSpirit mentions both aring, doesn't give a date for part two, though.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Avatar Spirit says a 'a day or two' so, i figure we should just list them as the same date, because well for one, its easier; and two, the post was on the 24th, with the episode airing on the 23rd, so i think that it would be safe to assume that the second part aired after the first, which would put the date on the 23rd(assuming that the post was edited on the same day that it was posted. Rau J16 19:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some remarks about "upcoming episodes" 

message: Someone keeps adding the episode, but i was under the impression(after checking the sources) that the episode has not been announced. I tried removing it, but i cant hide the coding(dont know how) and the little hidden comment said to hide it, so i figured i would come here and ask someone who knows how to do it to remove it. Rau J16 03:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual episode has been announced, but where did the release date come from? Arogi Ho (talk) 03:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where was it announced? Rau J16 03:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The episode has been listed at IMDb for quite some time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417299/episodes#season-3) --M.A. (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: tv.com has also followed and listed the next episode as "The Western Air Temple" (http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/show/28841/episode_listings.html?season=3&tag=nav_bar;3) Jkdz100 (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: neither one of those sites are to be used as sources, both are user driven. and the episode hasnt been leaked, i checked the same site that i found DOBS on and its not there yet, perhaps it will soon, but it hasnt yet. Rau J16 19:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: however at the end of "day of black sun: the eclipse" there is evidence that leads to the relocation of the adventure to the western air temple. regardless what the episode is named, it is located at the western air temple. 71.195.9.253 18:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While that is very true, that is not the discussion, the discussion is of the episodes existence, and how it should be handled; and honestly, i think some one over at Avatarspirit should just call nick and settle this once and for all, but unfortunately, i dont have contacts to ask them to do that. Rau J16 04:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

text: New information is over at avatar spirit which clearly confirms the episode. Rau J16 21:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think avatar spirit is a reliable source. The episode should be officially announced by nick before we can include it in the article. So I'll go ahead and revert your edit. --Slartibartfast1992 21:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, One, we have used them as a reliable source before, and two, did you look at the information, how can that not be reliable? Rau J16 03:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, when I followed your link, the only info I got was "server not found", and I decided to look for it by myself out of common sense. When I found it, it was a box, claiming that the Western Air Temple was going to come out. No link to any official Nick  info or anything. And, in case you haven't noticed, . Nothing about avatarspirit. And, somehow, "How can that not be reliable?" doesn't quite convince me. --Slartibartfast1992 21:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: [REINDENT] i was reffering to the new post on their home page, if you read it, its kinda hard not not consider that reliable, heres the statement: 
"Next up was a few breathtaking background shots from some unaired season 3 episodes. Dave confirmed most of them were from episode 312, "The Western Air Temple." " that is taken directly from the post, also, to me, this constitutes as an announcement made by the creators, which is more reliable than Nick. Rau J16 01:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: So.... do we include it? (Also O.o big words....) Rau J16 21:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry if I misinterpreted the message on the edit text. But I anyway didn't judge this page as reliable (which is the one I found). The page you gave the link to (which I had been unable to find before), however, makes me doubt. I didn't see the pictures they were writing about, but if they say that they saw them, they probably did. So... I don't know. Just think of my opinion now as neutral, I guess. Maybe you were right, Rauj, when you said "How can that not be reliable?"--Slartibartfast1992 23:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone makes mistakes, im just happy we reached a conclusion, i hate when these things drag out for too long. I'm going to add the episode now. Rau J16 11:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yea, seeing as they had it different from everyone else, lets wait until the chapter airs elsewhere before editing the information on the episode. Rau J16 02:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If Canada hadn't been different, then i would have no problem, but they have had differences with the other versions, therefore i feel it best to compare and contrast on this one. Rau J16 02:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't, aside from the people who saw it vouching that that is what it said. Hmmm..... perhaps you are correct, i am being biased. Seeing as you have seen this episode, and no one else appears to be arguing this point, i will leave this decision up to you. Rau J16 04:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok.. this has got to be a contender for stupidest edit war ever.  There is information released, from a "legal" source, its been BROADCAST even.  And the potential difference is a NUMBER for an episode?  Please.  Post the episode information.  And IF we find out later new information.. we can *gasp* EDIT THE PAGE.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.172.40 (talk) 06:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK; one, read the discussion before you post; two, the discussion is over; three, look up 'edit war' this was not one; four, it was never about legitimacy, but the chapter number; five, where was the information released, and what 'legal' source are you citing? Rau J16 06:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I need not, read my last post that was directed at you, (not the one directed at the ip) i am not contributing any further to this debate, i have conceded defeat on this matter. Rau J16 01:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Air Temple 

message: This is going to sound trivial compared to the whole "Western Air Temple" thing, but why is the "Unaired Pilot" listed under "Book One: Water"?  Although its part of the Season 1 DVD, it is still not part of the continuity.  --Hydrokinetics12 15:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's there because even though it is not part of coninuity, it is still a version of the first episode, placing at number 01a(where "Boy in Iceburg" is 01b) which paces in it book 1 Rau J16 23:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unaired Pilot 

message: it has already confirmed that there are 21 episodes, yet it still lists only 20
second, there is a need to confirm since nick made both the black sun episodes part of "chapter 10", if the whole one hour episode will be part of DVD 2 or that episode will be separated between DVD 2 and DVD 3
there is a chance DVD 1 is chapter 1 to 5, DVD 2 is chapter 6 to chapter 10(including 311)
than it comes the complicated part, is 312 chapter 11 or chapter 12?
depending on how it will be named chapter wise
DVD 3 will be chapter 11 to 15 or chapter 12 to 16(312 to 316)
DVD 4 will be chapter 16 to 20 or chapter 17 to 21(317 to 321) --Verdad1963 23:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already know that 312 is chapter 11, you are the only one making it complicated, the DVD section goes by chapter, so it only lists twenty, and there is no chance that the finale will be a four part chapter, because there is no reason to suspect that. and if it is separated on the DVD(which is unlikely)  we will make the change when more information becomes available. Rau J16 23:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVDs section 

message: The air date for Book 3 Chapter 10b (episode 51) The Day of Black Sun Part 2: The Eclipse has TWO comment tags, one after the other, that aren't very clear:
1) Date is approx. If you find an exact date, please add it. NOT THE 30th!!!
2) Aired in Netherlands on this date, DO NOT CHANGE!
The date in the article is November 23, same date as Part 1 of the same chapter. It looks as if the person who added the second comment forgot to remove the first comment. Does anyone know the actual date this episode was first aired in the world? --Secretss (talk) 09:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are close, it was the second comment that was to be removed. I forgot to remove it when i added the one before it. I added it because the date was an estimate, originally i had it as the 24th, but i figured it was reasonable to have it as the 23rd as well, so i didn't change it back when some one changed it to the 23rd. I still do not know the date, hence i have not changed it. Rau J16 19:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Date 

message: While i think that a new template was a good idea, and i like the one that is there now, i do have some questions. 
(1)If the template removes the chapter number, some people might not like that. 
(2)If it goes by episode number(this is for you placebo) why is DoBS marked as 50.1 and 50.2, those aren't the episode numbers, the numbers are 50 and 51. 
I would like to discuss this before anything happens(because i see something very well may).
Rau J16 19:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah..there need to be some changes here. The chapter numbers really should be there, for one. And, also, as above, that 50.1 and 50.2 is a complete invention. And, frankly, the whole thing looks, well, ugly. It was more readable before, IMO.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me explain myself. First of all, i switched to this new template because with the season 1 episodes beong marked as not meeting WP:EPISODE, Parent and I have started making an article for Season 1. Since this article will be all 20 combined, I assumed that the directors and the writers would not be included on that page and that it would be a good idea to add it here. Now about DoBS, both said Chapter 10, so they are the same episode, what is happening is that their will still be 20 episodes, but 21 half hours. DoBS was merged into one episode, so it is necassary to know this. And as for the chapter number, all it involves is taking the episode number and subtracting either 20 or 40, or looking at the production number, it shouldn't be that hard. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but you're wrong about DoBS. Its two episodes, but one chapter. And I'd like to object most strongly to mereging the episodes. We discussed that before and soundly rejected it. Did WP:CONS stop being policy while I was napping or something?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No ,but other polices override consensus. Take a look at the WikiProject talk page. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is ridiculous. Why do we even have talk pages if we just ignore them completely?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Er yeah I'm completely lost as to why the page no longer has summaries of the episodes and the pilot isn't listed.  Hello2112 23:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nvm.  Hello2112 23:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know! honestly, im satisfied with current template, but it just needs to be revised a little. first thing to be changed it the inclusion of the Production Code and the Episode number, are they both needed? why not replace the production code(or episode number) with chapter number. Also, i like the inclusion of the director, and writer, but how about only have the HEAD director and HEAD writer, that would clean it up some and make it more readable. Rau J16 02:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Rau. I prefer having the books and chapters on the page. The introduction of the article state that The series classifies each season as a "book" and each episode as a "chapter." I think the episode tables should definitely reflect this. What are production codes for anyway? The individual synopsis pages for the episodes have the production codes, so I don't understand why they need to be on the list page. And I agree that just one name each for writer and director would suffice. And anyway, "episode" differ from "chapter". DoBS is one chapter (10) that spans two distinct episodes (50 and 51). Currently with the production code on the page, this little nugget of information isn't shown. --Secretss (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Production codes are what the episode is refered to by the producers before it has a name. And you can change the number, IT is just that, because the Season 1 articles are in the proceess of merging (See the Wikiproject Talk Page) I did this to add Writers and Directors since that information I belived would have been gone. Like the WikiGuideline say So fix it! I am no more important than any of you in this matter so you are free to change it to the way you believe is right. If we like it, then it will be left alone, if not, then it will be disscused further here. The Placebo Effect (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template 

message: When does it come out? --Lucky135g (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When some one know, it will be here, until then just sit tight and keep the discussion on the article. Rau J16 21:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Episode 

message: Avatar Spirit Setherex (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Setherex. I actually found another page on avatarspirit. But that page anyway contains no information other than that the episode will be called "The Western Air Temple", and I don't even find that reliable. We only use official Nick releases as reliable sources. --Slartibartfast1992 01:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, see the discussion titled "Western Air Temple". --Slartibartfast1992 23:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Question - wats the episold after western airtemple? is it " The Great Joker " ... 125.237.111.27 (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, the episode was leaked again: http://www.avatarchapter.net/75/avatar-book-3-chapter12-western-air-temple-online-leak/ It is still yet unknown whether this may be 11 or 12. As it unclear, but it the plot for this episode has been leaked as can be clearly seen Gamloverks (talk) 18:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yea, sorry if i dont trust that site, seeing as the provide no source for their information, and if it leaked they would have it on there, not just a summary. And tot he guy about 'The Great Joker", we dont know yet, when we do, it will be on the page full time, with out reverts. Rau J16 19:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: SPOILER Azula they wouldn't kill Azula like that so early.--Tosta mista (talk) 22:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not post spoilers, that is for a forum, not a wiki. Also, unless otherwise noted, that is hardly a trust worthy source, considering all it does it stream the episodes and provide no source for the information that they post. Rau J16 23:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll remember that next time. I was just trying to find some useful information, and how you know this information can get leaked very easily. 76.251.241.185 (talk) 00:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: regardless of how easy it will can be leaked(which isn't as easy as you seem to think), leaks aren't official sources, because they leak, and sometimes, things get changed between time of leak, and time of release. Rau J16 02:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Air Temple - Add it 

message: I feel we need protection on the avatar pages, does any one else agree? Rau J16 01:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The back of the DVD v2 case confirms that, but that is off topic. Also i want more people to contribute in this discussion, because this page has been having numerous nonconstructive edits, mostly by ip's, but also a few accounts. Rau J16 06:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I just wanted to discuss it before i requested it; the reason i feel it needs it is because of the pointless edits, they make it harder to sort through the edit differences, and find the true vandalism; and are normally edits that get reverted anyway, and page protection would reduce that. On a final not, since you said 'anybody' im going to request it now. Also, didn't this page used to be protected?  Rau J16 22:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been protected a few time in the past. In general, pages are only protected for fairly short periods.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was fast, they protected it for two months already.... this discussion took longer. Rau J16 22:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Protection 

message: Ive added a synopsis which I saved in my user page.
Dar book (talk) 11:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Awakening 

message: It seems that something is wrong in the table coding - it's messed up. Can someone fix it, please? Trey7 (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table problems 

message: Some of that should not have been archived, what if those become relevant again, do we just watch the archive and have the discussion there, or use it as a reference point, i seriously think some of that should have stayed. Rau J16 22:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Pretty much' is not an actual conformation. Rau J16 17:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: And because it has no conformation, it is not on the article, neither of them are, both for the same reason. Rau J16 17:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: The next episode has officially been confirmed. Dong Bu Feng is revealing episode titles from Chp. 13 to Chp. 18. The next episode is called The Firebending Masters  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.233.29.211 (talk) 01:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are these oninuous names at Dongbu Feng, you're talking about? -Aresius, Freelance Writer, 29.12.20,07;20:49  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.79.192 (talk) 19:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: They do not count, what they say isnt official. Rau J16 01:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what would be legit source according to your guidelines rau? avatar spirit? because avatar spirit currently has it listed that there are 4 seasons of 71 episodes which nickelodeon only plans on 61. i would simply have to say some sources had been reliable in the past and "predicting" the following episodes name. *cough* tv.com. and before you rant on about it being a non-legit source. reference "the western air temple!" Jkdz100 (talk) 04:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two most often used sources are tvguide.com and Nick.com. Tv.com recieves it's info from fans, and as such, can not be relied on, because it recieves info the same way wiki does. The Placebo Effect (talk) 04:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A legit source to me is one that gets its info from nick. And nice to see you take stuff at face value, Avatar spirit counts their "specials" section as a season, and there are ten episodes in there.  The only difference between wiki, imdb, and tv.com is that wikipedia has rules as to what gets posted, the others do not. Rau J16 17:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i would have to disagree placebo! all sites are user-interlinked. there consistently is a person updating the webpages, is that not biased. if u would only read tv.com's stand: "Any current summary of this episode that is out there is pure rumor and is not true, so please stop adding it to the guide. When Nick releases an official summary, it can be added here, but until then no summary or recap should be added." direct citation from the site on the stance on the "the western air temple." and rau! just thought u should count the episodes listed under avatar spirit's webpage. there exists more than 10 specials! just thought u might want to know dat! and who are you to say that the other sources do not have rules and regs? and another tidbit, as previously cited, tv.com does take information directly from nickelodeon corporations! please re-read citation if u disagree. a webpages's reliability should be considered through past experiences and as tv.com is part of cnet co., where cnet has provided consistent unbias reports , a site should not be overlooked on pure judgment calls! Jkdz100 (talk) 02:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: And yet tv.com still lists "The Firebending Masters", and avatar spirit only has ten episodes under specials, the rest are recordings. and i miss worded what i said about rules, i should have said they have different rules. and sites like that are maintained by PROFESSIONALS who are unbiased, seeing as they wouldn't be professional otherwise. Rau J16 03:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Wikialexdx has provided a source for The Firebending Masters, i cannot view the page (freakin comcast internet), can someone verify it. Rau J16 05:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed it. As said above, all that source said was that it would be on, gave no further information of any kind.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks for verifying. my internet sucks........ Rau J16 16:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

text: "A guy" is no more reliable, or official, than "no guy". Also, how does telling a website an air date contradict what i said; that is in no way, shape, or from, being biased. Now, what i meant by "PROFESSIONALS who are unbiased, seeing as they wouldn't be professional otherwise" was that he would not be very professional if he was biased (probably should have included the word very in there). Also, please try to remain civil, we are. Rau J16 02:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: They haven't aired in the U.S. yet. Rau J16 20:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter 13: The Firebending Masters 

message: how is it that these leaks on upcoming episodes are first in other countries while nickelodeon is an american based operation? not that i mind, i enjoy both episode airdates, world vs US air dates. double the FUN! Jkdz100 (talk) 03:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What? what leaks, the only one i know of is DoBS, nothing else has been leaked to my knowledge. Rau J16 03:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: No they cant, seeing as they were released, by nick or otherwise. And last time i check, if something is released before it hits the internet, its not a leak. And going by that, then of course all of the leaks would be overseas, seeing as that cant happen in the US. Rau J16 11:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: last time i checked nickelodeon studios is located in CA, but maybe im wrong. while WAT is seeminly stuck in limbo in the states, our neighbor to the north has an airdate! hmmmm, that would b a leak since it DID hit the net b4 an official US air date! no way am i insinuating that its wrong to have similar interests globally and sharing. i just find it weird dat episodes are released elsewhere before hitting the states! Jkdz100 (talk) 02:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitting the internet before an official US air date does not make it a leak, hitting the internet before it airs anywhere is a leak. Rau J16 03:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah Rau, they released the first ten episodes in season 2, then started taking a month break between episodes, then they started releasing pairs of episodes that sort of fit together as monthly "movie events". Hewinsj (talk) 17:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't understand why it would be targeted the US audiences. If anything it would be at countries that have nickelodeon as a channel. Or english speaking countries. --Samuelhale (talk) 19:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is targeted at the US audience because it is made by a US corporation for their main network. Rau J16 20:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that applys to cartoons though. Cartoons are targetted at an age group more then a country.Wild ste (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That applies to all television, because standards as to whats appropriate for age groups differs from nation to nation. Rau J16 23:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaks 

message: DO NOT POST ANYHTHING THAT IS UNWANTED HERE
all i want to know is if it aired in the US, yet. if so, can i find it on youtube?Igglybuff63 (talk) 02:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link redacted. Please don't link to copyright violations. Thanks. --Bfigura (talk) 22:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Air Temple 

message: Once again, some one has cited ytv as a source, but i still cannot verify it. Rau J16 17:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Same thing as before (once you fix the link, anyway). No episode name, no indication its a new episode. I've removed it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, haha, whoops, i just copied it from the article. Rau J16 21:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't, unless you can find said trailer on youtube or the like.  I live in Canada and I haven't seen this trailer yet.  Doesn't mean it hasn't aired, but we've been getting enough fakers trying to use false claims to YTV as a source (ie YTV says nothing while they claim it does) that it is better to leave it off until the episode airs in full. Derekloffin (talk) 18:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: please don't link to copyvios. Thanks --Bfigura (talk) 22:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legit 

message: I think, for the time being, we remove the synopses for the aforementioned episodes until they air in the US and/or the UK, then the articles can be reverted to their current forms, plus the date(s), so as not to spoil the episodes for us unforetunate souls in the US and UK who haven't seen them yet. Also, possibly instating a 2/3 majority of premiere airing (any combo of US, UK, Canada) before synopsis posting? --WTRiker (talk) 23:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia; if the information exists, and is noteworthy, then it belongs, regardless of where it came from. We do not make exceptions based on the boundaries of man, we work globally. Rau J16 23:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As happaned when the UK aired it, we add the information. The Placebo Effect (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't want to figure out what has happened, stay away from the summaries of the episodes (which are now easily found in the character pages or the Avatar Wikia) as I have. The only exception to the information exists rule is when it is illegally leaked. Then it can't be posted. SkepticBanner (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does it say that, just because its illegal does not mean it doesnt exist. Rau J16 04:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopses for "Western Air Temple" and "Firebending Masters" 

message: Another wikipedian has brought it to my attention that i might have been a little condescending. To rectify this, I have a solution for all of those who want to view the old avatar pages, simply follow the steps on this page. This should hopefully help ease some of those who are miffed about this situation. Rau J16 03:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool beans! So the old episode synopses are there for anybody to read -- if anyone wants to contribute to new ones, go to Avatar.Wikia perhaps, which is a more logical home for episode synopses. Wikipedia shouldn't hold the whole of the Internet -- lots of other sites for that. --Choi9999 (talk) 03:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: YES. Choi, I totally agree with you! Some people don't get it. --Secretss (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading removed pages 

message: I think the discussion regarding the removal of the episode synopses got offtrack once "notability" got tossed around -- people started getting emotional about whether this or that was notable or not notable. Instead, I propose thinking of it this way -- just as you expect encyclopedias to be informative but not contain every book ever written, so too is Wikipedia not meant to contain the entire Internet. If you want an informative overview of Avatar, then Wikipedia as a wiki encyclopedia is a great place to go. If you want a detailed blow-by-blow read about Avatar episodes, you should go to a wiki devoted to Avatar. I mean, when you read William Faulkner's entry in an encyclopedia, you don't expect there to be a copy of The Sound and The Fury there, right? And again, if you want to read old episode synopses, you can do so by following the steps on this page, and if you want to read or write new episode synopses, go to Avatar.Wikia, which seems to really need people who care about it. Just my two cents.--Choi9999 (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Another example would be words in a dictionary. Each word has its own meaning and they're all knowledge and information and all of them are just as important. But you don't see wikipedia holding articles for every single word. We have online dictionaries for that. Just because it's information/knowledge doesn't mean it may necessarily merit a wiki article.--Secretss (talk) 09:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure how anyone can justify episode summary for Seinfeld, Lost, Alias, et al., as is the case here on wikipedia.  The frank truth is that "notability" is a very vague definition, which can be morphed to justify the removal or addition of any number of entries based on the whims of WP moderators.  Apparently Seinfeld fit that definition while Avatar did not.  Consistency in Wikipedia is sorely lacking, a fact that is shameful given the importance of Wikipedia as a source of knowledge.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.105.49 (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: That is a different project, the events of this wikiprojects articles have no bearing on the other wikiprojects. Rau J16 20:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding notability 

message: Someone added the episode The Forsaken Lady to book 3. I checked the talk page and used Ctrl+F to find any discussion on that episode title and couldn't find any so I used the comment tag to block the episode out. That's the first time I've seen that title for episode 14 and I have to say, I prefer that to Close to a Wedding and Fireload Ozai Recruits, which are the other two candidates I've seen. If you see fit then remove the comment tags. --Secretss (talk) 08:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fake, and even if its not, they provided no source for us to check to make sure it is real. I have removed the episode.  Rau J16 10:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Forsaken Lady? 

message: Well, now that the thousands of hours of volunteer work making up Wikipedia's Avatar episode synopses have been removed without any warning whatsoever by Vogons, we'll have to work on Avatar.Wikia , I suppose. But I think it's fair to say that site needs a lot of work. It's really nowhere as good as the Wikipedia pages were. Anyone up for it? Not that we have any choice now. --Choi9999 (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or you could quit complaining and help with the new avatar articles here, its not like the episode pages were removed with out a plan in place. Also, this is not a discussion of the improvement of the article, so this thread should not continue. Rau J16 00:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just a plan that no one warned anybody else about -- which is why I call the lot of you Vogons. I don't even disagree with the notability issue, and I'm not saying you're obligated to give due warning. Sure whoever removed the synopses has the power to do so, and maybe the right -- but if you do something by fiat without warning, you're a half-wit if you don't expect others to complain. Wikipedia's supposed to pride itself for the intelligence of crowds, for building knowledge as a community, right? If a lot of Wikipedians have spent time working on something, it just makes sense to let them know ahead of time what might be in store. That way you avoid complaints, and maybe even get people to work with you and not just flame against you. That's called being a good administrator. --Choi9999 (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: And even if the episode synopses aren't part of Wikipedia anymore, they're still the hard, beloved labor of the Wikipedians who helped contribute to this and other Avatar pages. So yeah, to me, discussing what we do with all that work that was originally done under the Wikipedia banner seems worthwhile. --Choi9999 (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well one; they are still there, just lost in the history of the page, if you need it try looking at it. Two, I figured there would be complaints, but it is getting ridiculous, they keep saying the same thing repeatedly, never changing.Rau J16 01:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Look, we're not working on the Avatar pages because we're getting paid for it, because, well, we're not. We're all doing it because we love it. And when you remove something that someone loves without any apparent warning or any easy way to get it back, people will get pissed off. I think the best way to resolve these complaints isn't to reverse the synopsis-removal decision and bring the pages back, but to show people how they can get that info they worked hard on, and where and how they can make it come alive again. I'd recommend showing people how they can see the synopses (because a lot of people won't think to look at the history pages), and point them toward an appropriate wiki (in this case, Avatar.Wikia) where they can paste that info up. Funnel all that negative energy to building something new. --Choi9999 (talk) 01:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you help work on the season articles instead? The Placebo Effect (talk) 01:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally speaking, I liked the episode synopses. I liked reading the play by play; I especially liked reading details that others caught that I initially missed; I liked reading how certain details in one episode connected with details in past and future episodes. Season articles are good overviews, but for me, Avatar is a great work painted in small strokes. I mean, I don't like reading Cliff Notes, either. --Choi9999 (talk) 02:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We have told people where they can find them, and the appropriate wiki that they can go. And I’m certain that some of that stuff might translate over unto the new articles, but still, not even all of that stuff was supposed to be permitted. Rau J16 03:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Um, yea thanks for reading whats been going on above this, thats real *wikipedia* of you. its all explained(several times) up there. Rau J16 11:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, then i guess you are out of luck. Unless of course you actually listen to what we say and that there is a replacement coming (not as good but better than nothing). Rau J16 23:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Put the episode articles back up.  No reasons given so far are good enough.  They were useful, and removing them reduces wikipedia's info on Avatar to irrelevancy for some people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.14.133.237 (talk) 04:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We are working on a solution to that. You can help too, go to Season One, those pages should help return some of the info to wiki. Rau J16 04:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The fact that the episode articles were on Wikipedia was fun while it lasted. Still, I don't think Wikipedia's meant to contain the whole of the Internet. Before Wikipedia came along, fans still put up episode synopses (my favorite was the Babylon 5 Lurker's Guide). Sure the episode synopses are not part of Wikipedia now (if you want, you can view the old Avatar pages by simply following the steps on this page), but there are other wikis out there. In fact, there's a wiki devoted just to Avatar right here []. --Choi9999 (talk) 04:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG PPL!! The episode synoposes are right here!: http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Avatar_Episodes#Book_Three:_Fire There's no point in arguing through this. They are there, though the Trivia hasn't been added, it's just like the old one but in a different place. I don't think there should be anything to dispute about because they are right there!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.110.189 (talk) 08:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I got that message too, from both Placebo Effect and the project itself. Rau J16 20:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Onward 

message: From what I hear, it will come out this April, but I feel that we shouldn't add this info until January 22nd, or until we can find a good source. Inside each individual volume, there is a flyer that states when the next one is scheduled to come out. Volume 2 of Book 3 will come out in about two weeks (12 days from now to be exact). But, for now, this is just a rumor. (Yes, I know this isn't a forum, but I thought I'd let the Wiki community know about this so that when the news is announced, we can add it.)--Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If Nick Magazine isn't an official source, then we need to rework what is. Rau J16 20:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Just because they haven't been wrong, doesn't make them reliable. Until they provide a source for their info, i won't trust them, if others think that it is time for us to, then go ahead. Rau J16 20:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 3:Fire,volume 3 

message: We should wait until it airs to add it. Just a reminder. --Lucky135g (talk • contribs) 21:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't asking because i want to see it, i was asking to see if there was info to add tot he article. And Dongbufeng isn't reliable. Rau J16 02:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, in my opinion, until they name a source for their info, they are just getting lucky with the names. Rau J16 20:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Uh-huh, and the name of their informant is..... Rau J16 04:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Riiiiight, no; i just dont trust things that i do not know about, such as, this mystery informant. Plus, who says nick even knows about the site. Rau J16 11:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Why isn't anyone here add "the Boiling Rock", it has been confirmed, and can be added, and some rumor said it will air this Friday, on .Seanroylv (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dongbufeng does not count as an offical site to confirm a title. More often then not, it will be nick.com, tvguide.com or when the episode airs that the title will be confirmed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Placebo Effect (talk • contribs) 22:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Just like last time, this isn't a good source. They get there titles from the same place as last time (dongbufeng.net). Until they show me an image with the back of the DVD with the titles, they aren't a good source. The Placebo Effect (talk) 01:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Nope, unless they have a source to prove the information. Rau J16 16:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There is. Nick Press releases. Unfortunately for us, they have not had one(to my knowledge) that has had the next airdate, or a reason for the delay. And yes, i would love to know why they have delayed. Rau's talk 11:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I See :Tambocho (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 13:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter 14 

message: what happened to the detailed info/article for each episode? Muhammad(talk) 06:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know i told someone i wouldn't be condescending, but, look above you, jeez!!! Rau J16 06:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Jesus would have liked your behavior. Muhammad(talk) 16:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys...let's not get into one of these arguments, I think we all know full well it won't go anywhere productive.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, Fyre is right, but still, he had that one coming. Rau J16 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: They lacked the required notability to have their own articles. I do believe that was mention in some sort or another, but its gotten so long, no one can even make heads or tails of it. Rau J16 00:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the big picture, they were not remarkable enough, although i do not think that is the right word. Rau J16 03:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah -- "inapplicable" (as in "inapplicable for Wikipedia") is how I think of it. Like how you don't have football players in cricket matches -- right in one context, wrong in another. --Choi9999 (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We are currently merging the episodes into articles by season. Want to help? The Placebo Effect (talk) 05:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus i was improving the articles, just not in the areas that needed it. I was bored, what can i say. Rau J16 06:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the nature of Wikipedia is to provide accurate and unbiased information, correct?  So, therefore, I have to wonder exactly which material in the articles happened to not fit Wikipedia's standards.  Honestly I don't know the problem due to my lacking memory; I can't for the life of me remember all the rules OR the content of the now-missing articles in question.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.7.242 (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the episode articles were very good. It's a shame someone decided they were not and deleted them. Nytemyre (talk) 12:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: For the most part, the information was accurate and unbiased. But, that was not why they were removed. Like previously stated several times above, the episodes were not notable enough for their own articles. That is why they were removed. Rau J16 03:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well one, i wasn't even there for this decision, i just decided to follow the decision and make the best of it, not complain for weeks on end about it. And this decision only affects this project, not the others, thats why the wire isn't being changed, and the Simpson's probably doesnt warrant an article for each episode. WP:Notability defines what is notable for wikipedia and what is not. Rau J16 10:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are(obviously) not going to be re-creating those articles some of us spent hours upon hours creating ever since the beginning of this series, and are obviously being dictated our orders by some newcomer, why don't we just place a link for the Avatar Wikia Episode listings page? Many of the more dedicated WikiProjects (Such as Star Trek) place a link to their Wikia (in this case, Memory Alpha) on every single page. Aang-kai (talk) 05:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe that it is a reliable source. And do not play that "they have it, why cant we" game, if I am not mistaken that is WP:POKEMON. Rau J16 11:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as a link added at the end of the article to an Avatar Wikia is obviously not Wikipedia, then surely people will not expect it to be as reliable as they would expect Wikipedia to be? Surely it'd be better than the nothing that exists at the moment. 121.45.129.168 (talk) 12:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unreliable is worse than nothing. Rau J16 19:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not knowing about something is also worse than nothing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.47.29 (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: It is the same thing. Knowing nothing, is not knowing something. Only difference is where the negative is. Rau's talk 04:35, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: That is very helpful: Much better than the condescending answers provided by this Rau character. Thank you Parent.Aang-kai (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks Parent5446 for clearing the reason up. I remember though that there was some production information on the episode pages, and that it seems that those that had information other than synopses were deleted along with the episodes that did not have the information, (ie. the references within the episodes to real-world things such as the laogi in Maoist China being referenced in "Lake Laogi" and things like literal translations of the Chinese characters that appear in episodes, things people would not find out elsewhere.121.45.73.160 (talk) 10:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: This is just silly. An article which doesn't have enough info or has info that is wrongly phrased etc. should be tagged so people know where to improve it. These articles had the ability to be improved, but now that entire process is halted because someone thought it neccesary to delete the articles. The point of a wiki is to constantly improve the articles. If you delete articles for being sub-par, wikipedia would have 130 articles! It is not hard to change the phrasing to be "out-of-universe", and add extra production info for each article. --liquidGhoul (talk) 11:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You do not understand. They were not phrased the wrong way, all the informating was useless plot summaries and speculation. It had been determined at the discussion about whether to merge the article that the episode articles could not be improved and since they could not, it would be easier to just maintain three season articles without the long plot summaries and with the very useful production information. The only argument that can be held is that plot summaries are important in Wikipedia. But to argue that, I suggest you argue it at WT:WAF (The MoS article for fiction.) Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 13:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:WAF does not state the plot summaries are unimportant. The only thing they state is that they should be phrased so as to prevent in-universe perspective. The plot summary is used in almost every episode article on wiki, they are just phrased to be out-of-universe. Secondly, there was translation information and some production information in most of these articles. This information is no longer available. The argument I am using is that the articles can be improved, greatly, but they can't any more because they have been deleted. As time goes on, more production information will become available, and more info will be able to be added to the articles. --liquidGhoul (talk) 22:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, one, the articles aren't deleted. They have been made into redirects. And two, with out that information now the articles could not stand. There was not enough real world information for it to warrant an article. But, in the future, if much more information becomes available, episode articles can begin to come back, but only if there is enough to warrant an article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rau J (talk • contribs) 00:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Info 

message: Is this page really going to be necessary once the other two seasons pages are finished? For the Chibi shorts, other media and pilot, I suggest we have the 3 seasons, and then move" Avatar Media" to that media page. What do you think? ~Pakaroo (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this page is here to offer all of the information in one simple place. I dont think it is necessary, but that it is a good idea. Rau J16 17:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Page (The Article this Chat is on) 

message: YTV  has annoced this episode as tomorrom's episode at 8:00 in canada can someone help me fix the episode box Please --Master_Hio_Cin (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That link is just there because no one has bothered to remove it. The reason YTV isnt being used is because it is offering no new information. Rau J16 03:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been proven wrong now, it did not air. --Lucky135g (talk • contribs) 23:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, how sad. But when will it air? Dar book (talk) 11:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forum, do not ask for airdates. if there is one confirmed you can find it in the article. Rau J16 11:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Boiling Rock 

message: Hey, who deleted all the articles for the episodes?? and BTW, they did air Chapter 14  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AtomMan365 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since when did Ch14 air? Arogi Ho (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It didnt, unless he can provide a source for it. Rau J16 07:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Firebending Masters 

message: According to avatarspirit.net, the release date for volume 3 is now May 6th, 2008. Here's the link:[].--Freespirit1981 (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you remember last time they "Announced" episode titles? they may have been right, but they were not a reliable source due to the wording last time, "Should be" which means that i doubt that they know for sure these are the titles and are getting them from dongbufeng.net. The Placebo Effect (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 3:Fire, volume 3 

message: AvatarSpirit.net has announced that episodes 314 and 315 will be titled "The Boiling Rock". Is it okay to add that? Aobaru (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't. They are getting their titles from the tvshowsondvd article, and it is worded in a way that implies that they don't really know the titles and are getting them from dongbufeng.net, which, just as last time, it was decided that we should't add them. The Placebo Effect (talk) 02:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapters 314 and 315: The Boiling Rock 

message: The article about the last episode of the third book, The Firebending Masters, now redirects to an absent article called The Awakening (despite being a completely different episode), and that article redirects to the disambiguation page for the word awakening. What the heck is that about? Fyrius (talk) 10:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its called vandalism, wikipedia has about three articles on it, read up on it. I fixed that page btw. Rau J16 16:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Annoying isn't it? Gamloverks (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see. I guess I was wrong in not assuming malice where ignorance would suffice. Fyrius (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messy Links 

message: does anyone know why there is such a large gap in time since the last aired episode?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph mitchell9 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: one, this isn't a forum; and two, its only been three weeks, its been almost two months for supernatural, so, yea dont complain. Rau J16 19:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  large gap since last aired episode 

message: are chapters 12 and 13 aired in the US? because i havent seen any commercials for themIgglybuff63 (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No they have not. Rau J16 12:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the articles, it'll usually explain what is going on episode wise. Gamloverks (talk) 15:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However, I think we can assume (using the date from avatar spirit post above) that if the date is correct in the DVD release, the episodes will air sometime before the month of may. Gamloverks (talk) 16:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While i agree with you, it is not %100 Dragonball Z tapes and DVD's were always released before the episode aired, so even though i agree, we should wait until dates are announced, because as my dad always said "Don't Assume, it makes an ass out of u and me. Rau J16 19:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that sounds about right. Gamloverks (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I love that quote.... Rau J16 01:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a very good quote. I've actually used it a couple times. Gamloverks (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airdates Question (Please Help!) 

message: Where did the episode list for Book 3: Fire go? Did a vandal erase it? --Freespirit1981 (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a vandal purse`, but rather someone whose internet likes to play games with them, its being fixed as i write this. Plus it was more than book three. Rau J16 01:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't noticed, thanks for fixing it though Gamloverks (talk) 17:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 3 disappeared! 

message: does anybody here know the new wikipedia avatar site, the one that still had the page information about the episodes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkyne (talk • contribs) 21:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  avatar wikipedia 

message: This is not a forum, these pages are for bettering the articles, please treat them as such. Gamloverks (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: can some tell me when a the avatar will come back in the usa with new episode  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.117.144.103 (talk) 15:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a forum as explained above. Nobody has confirmed dates for when any new episodes will release. Thank you. --Lucky135g (talk • contribs) 00:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLEASE! 

message: This is merely an aesthetics thing.  Would anyone object to changing the format of the table for Season 3 from having red lines to having no lines (white lines) like in Seasons 1 and 2?  I find the red lines distracting.  143.115.159.53 (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought thats how it was, but i guess it got changed, i am going to change it back, the red is distracting. Rau J16 19:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: really? I actually liked it, I even thought that someone was planning to make book 1 lines blue(water), and book 2 lines brown(earth) to go with Red (fire) --Verdad1963 (talk) 18:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for the white lines, less distractions. Gamloverks (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: White was still a distraction for me, so i made it gray; feel free to revert. Rau J16 20:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you serious? I thought it was a really good addition. What happened to concentration? If coloured lines are distracting, I would be worried about you guys driving! --liquidGhoul (talk) 12:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasnt the fact that they were colored, it was the color itself. Also, when driving the only time the color is going to be that vibrant, and that close, is when i am in an accident, and by that point worrying about it is pointless. Rau J16 19:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what do you mean by distracting? Do the lines interupt your reading? Do you zone out and start staring at the lines? And driving in a city, you can have 90% of your windscreen taken up by much more vibrant lights. --liquidGhoul (talk) 09:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on what time of day you drive. At night, yes, During the day, no. It's just the lines stick out more than we would want them to. Therefore, it's better for them to be less distracting to the reader.Gamloverks (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The red lines for Book/Season 3 

message: I noticed that Placebo did not remove them, and he is normally good at this kind of thing. Are they sourced, or is this just an error? Rau J16 20:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhhhh, the second one? The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did Boiling Rock get sourced? 

message: Nick.com's New Game of the Week - Avatar: Boiling Rock Rescue Rau's talk 10:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to have to say no. It doesnt say anything about it being a title of an episode. The Placebo Effect (talk) 11:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I really hope that Nick confirms the name so people will stop adding it to the episode list. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 12:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, just checking. that way when people use it as a source i know it to be false. Rau's talk 18:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: doesn't confirm "the title" (even if chances are great that "the boiling rock" is title for 314 and 315) but it does confirm that "the boiling rock" is a jail and will be part of one of the episodes--72.129.107.139 (talk) 22:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this validate the Boiling Rock? 

message: For a long time there have been rumours about "the boiling rock", and they are true! Here is a link to a new avatar game called "Boiling Rock Rescue": 
http://www.nick.com/games/nick_games/avatar/av_boiling.jhtml 
It says that "Now allied with the Avatar, Prince Zuko has infiltrated the fearsome Boiling Rock Prison on a dangerous rescue mission..." when you click on instructions. Now i think this is enough proof to show that the next episode will be "The Boiling Rock" and maybe part 1 and 2. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.216.40 (talk • contribs) 
: no it is not. It just says the infiltrate a prison, that does not nccesarily mean that is the episodes title, for all we know, it could be "The Prisonbreak" or "The Forgotten Prisoner". The Placebo Effect (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Placebo, while there is very good odds that it is indeed the name, this doesn't actually constitute a confirmation.  Remember, this is not a race.  When the episode airs or is properly announced it will get up there, just as of yet that hasn't happened.  Derekloffin (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree, there could be Numerous different titles for these two episodes. As for now, let's just sit and wait, chances are someone else will see it before we do in a different country, or they might wait until the americas catch up. Who knows? Gamloverks (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boiling rock is an episode is confirmed! 

message: I honestly have no idea if this is reliable enough, but upon doing a quick search:
http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/the-southern-raiders/episode/1173334/summary.html
http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/the-ember-island-players/episode/1179743/summary.html
So, if that's good enough, I'll just leave you folks to put those in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elithrion (talk • contribs) 16:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, its not. Thank you for coming to the talk page first, instead of just adding it like all of the others do. Rau's talk 18:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, tv.com isn't an accurate source. They're usually right, but there isn't anything to show where they got the name from. We do appreciate you trying to help though. Gamloverks (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think User:Elithrion deserves to be applauded as one of the only people to actually read the comments and discuss something first. If only everybody did this... — Parent5446 (t n c e m l) 14:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapters 16/17 titles 

message: Season 3, Episode 14: The Boiling Rock
Original Air Date: 18 April 2008
Season 3, Episode 15: The Boiling Rock: Part 2
Original Air Date: ????
Season 3, Episode 16: The Southern Raiders
Original Air Date: 25 April 2008
Season 3, Episode 17: Ember Isle Players
Original Air Date: 2 May 2008
Season 3, Episode 18: Sozin's Comet: Part 1
Original Air Date: 16 May 2008
Season 3, Episode 19: Sozin's Comet: Part 2
Original Air Date: 16 May 2008
Season 3, Episode 20: Sozin's Comet: Part 3
Original Air Date: 16 May 2008
Season 3, Episode 21: Sozin's Comet: Part 4
Original Air Date: 16 May 2008
http://imdb.com/title/tt0417299/episodes
--Verdad1963 (talk) 03:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one problem, IMDB is user submitted info just like Wikipedia, ergo, we can't use it as a source. The Placebo Effect (talk) 03:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDB now agrees with what I think is most probable dates 

message: People keep taking out the last part in this saying of book 3, "The final four episodes compromies the season finale [and the series finale]."
Isn't this the final season?--Wikialexdx (talk) 02:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: People are mixed on this, because it's not been totally confirmed that they aren't going to do a Season 4, I am unaware of it is or not. the last four episodes will at least end Book 3, but after that I don't know. The creators have thought about it I'm sure, but no confirmation yet. Gamloverks (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is the final season. See this interview.  The reason the phrase is removed is because we have no source that the finale will be a four-episode premier. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 14:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm.... The Summary of the Panel at NYCC states that it is a 2 hour finale. Any other questions? The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 15:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I didn't know that. In response to Wikialexdx's query, though, I would like to ask what you are talking about. The comment is in the article right now. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 20:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 3 the final season? 

message: When are new episodes going to air in the U.S. Why hasn't there been any new episodes (IN THE US) for three months and other countries have aired new ones? Was the series affected by the writers' stike or what? Maybe, if anyone knows the answer to any of these question, it should be put in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.226.114.69 (talk) 03:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When we know when new episodes will air anywhere it will be on here. As for why no episodes have aired; well, no, we do not know. The series was not affected by the writers strike, it was already written before the season began airing. No, none of this is notable, or has sources for the information, and therefore does not belong in the article. Rau J16 04:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: is likely but I can't put an official source anywhere, that in the USA 312 will air early April, and that Canada will air 314 in mid April(they doing each chapter in order per week again, and this week they will air 307 ) the only thing that should be for sure is that the finale has to be done May 16th or earlier, as the book by Simon and Schuster "Sozin's comet: the final battle" comes out May 20th --Verdad1963 (talk) 07:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There is no source the book is official, and no source that says that they wont release the DVD first. With out a source, everything you've said becomes irrelevant. Rau J16 02:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I theorized that maybe there will be another promotion of Nick which was similar to the "1 episode per week at 10 straight weeks" maybe a month before the end of summer. Also, I think book three will end "by the end of summer" since Aang must defeat the firelord, right? I kind'da got that idea from the air dates of book 2. Dar book (talk) 08:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, we have received word that the last four episodes are to come out in one two hour movie. Also, it is entirely possible that Boiling Rock will come out as a one hour combined episode. At this point, about the only thing that is trusted is Nick PR statements...Naraht (talk) 09:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question<!--caps are ugly--> 

message: no episodes aired as of yet, and no reason to think they would air at a later time this day, so i have removed the original airdate of april 18th from this article for the boiling rock episodes. shadzar-talk 00:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed any mention of a date altogether. Its pointless. Rau's Speak Page 00:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you seem to have beaten me to it. yes seems very pointless if the information is true and the only way to see further episodes is on the DVD that finalizes the series. very poor form of Nick to do that, sounds more like something CN would do. shadzar-talk 08:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually CN has done that. Remember GT? Rau's Speak Page 16:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: that is what i meant. CN does that all the time, but Nick has up until now not pulled some nonsense like this before. they had shows with no end point that jsut ended, but Avatar should reach a natural conclusion, it is the whole premise of the show for what the purpose of the Avatar is, and why he ran away...not something Nick would really do that often. shadzar-talk 00:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 18 

message: Reference 6 needs fixing or removal (citation noob). Carnelain (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix 

message: So it looks like the DVDs for eps 311-315 are coming out before all those episodes air. If this happens and no other country has aired them yet, we will put May 6 as the date released. Does that sound off? Also, i think for season 3, if not on this page, then the Season oage there should be a column for how and where the episode was aired first. Would I assume fansites would be a good source for that info? The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 14:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we could always put it right next to the air date like "... (DVD)" or (US) or (Canada) etc. In addition, the template that is used for the episode list supports a parameter for an alternative air date (when it aired in the US), so it would be helpful if we had both the original and the US airdate. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 15:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, for this article i don't think that would be necessary, but for the Season 3 article, that should be done. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 18:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We also have to be watching for moving back dates. They might do a seperate DVD release, but I sincerely doubt that when Boiling Rock hasn't aired in Canada yet. So I think the date for the DVD will be pushed back. Gamloverks (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Scratch what I said. "Privately, a Nickelodeon PR representative confirmed that the release date for the third DVD of the season will not change from May 6, 2008, meaning that several episodes of the show will be available on DVD well before they air on television." this is according to the Toon Zone panel report. http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=23164 It looks like the Boiling Rock may hit the internet well before it hits TV. Gamloverks (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Release Date 

message: I changed the template to reflect original release date. Which will allow for May 6th to be used for Boiling Rock with out affecting the other dates. Rau's Speak Page 21:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: It is officially confirmed by Nick that the new episodes will start Monday July 14th. Should we update the dates accordingly? --Dcelasun (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What dates need to be updated? Rau's Speak Page 21:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, The Western Air Temple will air in the USA on July 14th, so the upcoming episodes will be a week after each other, right? So, I think we should update the air dates for The Boiling Rock, The Southern Raiders, The Ember Island Prayers and Sozin's Comet (a week between each episode). What do you guys think? --Dcelasun (talk) 17:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly we have no clue in airdates anymore since Nick removed the banner that said when it was returning, so we no longer have any proof of when it will return. All we have is the DVD dates and that it ends in July. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 18:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And even then, if they were on a weekly schedule, it would not end in July. It would end in the beginning of August. Rau's Speak Page 18:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Dates for New Episodes 

message: Hey guys, (warning, contains spoilers) http://www.livevideo.com/video/71EB9790CB5D42A78A650F01402ADA4B/avatar.aspx
It's a video taken from the official New York Comic Convention where the creators screened footage from the final parts of season 3. "The Ember Island Players" is the title given for chapter 17. Should this be added, even though there's no concrete proof for chapter 16 yet? Erebos12345 (talk) 03:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. Also changed the name to NYCC so that it can include all information from the event. Will add the AvatarSpirit information soon, which is only a better reference than the one I wrote. Rau's Speak Page 04:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: we can also add to the BR episodes description that Zuko and Sokka enter the prison and are able to rescue Suki(she is in 317) and fight ty lee, mai and Azula, all the rest of the scenes would be speculation but what I wrote is pretty much facts --Verdad1963 (talk) 08:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We can probably speculate that for the Boiling Rock episodes that Sokka goes undercover in order to free Suki, but until it's actually proven, we can't state that as fact. We do know from the game that Nick.com did, the Boiling Rock is a jail and it's kind of easy to put two and two together from other parts of the series. We knew that the Kyoshi warriors were attacked. We knew that Azula had caught her and put her in some kind of jail. I think that's concrete enough for us to put it in. Although, I am a little confused. We saw a good majority of the characters, but the one we didn't see was Iroh. That's the undetermined factor in all of the finale. As for the other episodes, it's good that we're finally getting some of these sourced. As for the trailer for the finale, I looked at the screenshots, is Zuko's mom returning? Azula looks pretty...disoriented. The Play clip from avatarspirit.net was also really good. I love his face at who he finds out is playing him. The whole clip is very good, funny and a bit outrageous. Something also to consider was that Nick could have been waiting to air these episodes until the summer months so the series would cooperate with what it was like outside, probably why the July 2008 end to the series happened. And if the series ends in July, We should be expecting a couple of episodes to probably start coming our way on Nick for friday nights. I'd probably be bold enough to say new episodes start like middle of may or June. That's my assumptions though. Gamloverks (talk) 01:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked out nicks Avatar page and it says that new episodes will return Monday July 14. I don't know why that is different from what they said at NYCC, but that is what it says.Smileyface 12 91 (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which gives us a date for the US airing of Western Airtemple. Which is utterly useless.... Rau's Speak Page 23:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know, seeing as it'll already be out on DVD, and the episode is all over the internet. I don't know if they'll keep that release date if it's supposed to start airing again in July. Gamloverks (talk) 09:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which episode is all over the internet? Rau's Speak Page 23:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Western Air Temple and The Firebending Masters have both aired in Canada bot not here in the US, with the release on DVD, The Boiling Rock (Both Parts) will be on the internet. Gamloverks (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, alright. I thought you were saying that Boiling Rock was all over the internet, because if it was, I'd be pissed that I missed it. Rau's Speak Page 18:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, both parts 1 and 2 are out on the internet right now. As for how they got there, it may have been leaked on by someone who got their hands on the DVDs. Honestly, I'm not up to reading whole blocks of text off tv.com, so I haven't figured it out yet. Nevertheless, I believe the policy is that it shouldn't be added here (airdates etc.) until it's been legitimately aired, right? So, did they actually air on TV, or was it leaked? Anyone know? Erebos12345 (talk) 07:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What. Where? Hazelfo (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hint hint. www.tv.com. ;)  Somebody probably won't be happy if I posted the direct links, but search the show on tv.com, then enter the forum for the show. One of the threads will tell you. One of the threads also seems to imply that part 1 has aired, and part 2 will air today.Erebos12345 (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I did find the videos of The Boiling rock online. I'm not going to say where for now, but at least we get to see it. Gamloverks (talk) 11:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, the first episode has been spread across the internet, the second one however has yet to be seen (beside random videos that have that title just to get hits on the video.). Part 2 should be up tomorrow possibly. I'd also like to know, how did we get the Southern Raiders episode confirmed? Because last time I checked, we weren't sure that was the actual title. Gamloverks (talk) 15:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYCC 

message: According to TV-Guides info, the finale is indeed Sozin's Comet. Is there anyone against me changing it to Sozin's comet? Gamloverks (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that was a TV.com Blog, which makes me VERY skeptical of using those names. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 17:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, no, its not a tv.com blog. Its on TV Guide's website: here.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that is a blog, but it is an actual editor's blog, not just anybody, so I think it is credible enough.  For now I say we give it the benefit of the doubt.  If it proves to be incorrect, so be it, we just at TV guide editors to the unreliable list.  Derekloffin (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but i doubt nick will make all 4 episdoes titled the same thing. And a blog is a blog. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 00:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree. We're talking about an editor of TV Guide here, not just some random joe. And if you look at it, its really an article, "blog" is just what they call it. Its not really a blog in any traditional sense.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sozin's Comet is 4-Part Finale. 

message: To avoid confusion, I have taken a snapshot from a video on YouTube that should suffice as a source for the title. If not, you will just have to watch the video for yourselves. Rau's Speak Page 23:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that should work. Gamloverks (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players 

message: The matter of using information from a leak was brought up during October 2007 when The Day of Black Sun was leaked onto the internet. This leak however, was not acquired legally. To my knowledge, the episode was stolen. With The boiling Rock however, this is not the case. The episode was obtained through a DVD that had a premature release. This might not have been planned but the episode was obtained legally. That being said, is it okay to use the information? Or does it still go against previous consensus? And if it does, is it time for new consensus? Rau's Speak Page 03:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this is the actual DVD, I think we should use the information, regardless of the fact that this is a leak and not a release. If anyone doesn't object to the legality of this, I think the info should stay. About the consensus, I believe we need a new one, since the upcoming DVD releases (both part 3&4) will be out before the actual air dates, meaning we will encounter similar issues in the next couple of months. So lets discuss and decide now. --Dcelasun (talk) 08:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Personally, I'd wait till the official date it was supposed to air. Since DVDs coming out early can't really be controlled, it helps to have the date that everyone was frsta able to see it legally. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 12:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I have to agree with TPE, I'd rather wait until the epiosde actually broadcasted legally instead of the DVD dates. I think putting the info up is okay, just as long as we don't spoil anything for anyone. Gamloverks (talk) 15:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, we don't play the spoiler game. And I am not talking about changing dates, I'm talking about summaries and aditions to character articles and sections. Also, if we wait for it to be broadcast then we won't have any new information until July. And this was a release, simply premature. To my knowledge, it was one-hundred-percent legal. Rau's Speak Page 17:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boiling Rock Information