Talk:Systemic therapy

message: This article is improperly titles as "Systemic therapy". What is described is in fact "family therapy" which was a forerunner to systemic therapy. Systemic therapy does not restrict itself solely to families but instead focuses more broadly on systems which may include families but is not limited to them. 
Given this the article should be titled "family therapy" not "systemic therapy". I move that we merge the content of this page with the "family therapy" page and put the content of the improperly titled "systemic psychology" page here instead redirecting that page to this one.
Since this a major change I'll wait a bit to see if others would like to discuss other options before I do this. --Sharktacos (talk) 03:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to propose a merge you should add an template to the two articles and start a discussion. You can also leave a note at the WikiProject Psychology and WikiProject Systems talk page. -- Mdd (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose the proposal: see Talk:Family therapy. Marschalko (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is improperly titled – move to redirect 

message: Based on the discussion on the more trafficked  Family therapy talk page, I made a first pass at a re-write of this page in order to have the subject matter address systemic therapy as opposed to the earlier version which was erroneously focused on family systems therapy. It still needs a lot of work, for example it lacks any info on praxis and methods of systemic therapy at the moment, but it's a start. --Sharktacos (talk) 14:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Major rewrite

message: I am tagging this article with Template:Update because no major work has been done on this article since 2008. In addition, I am tagging the article with Template:Cite check because most of the claims in this article are not supported with citations to appropriate sources; there are currently only two citations, one to a German-language book from 1998 and one to a book on medical family therapy from 1992. I can't read German, so I can't verify the German-language text. The reference to the medical family therapy book looks fine, although a more recent edition was published in 2014 () along with another major book on medical family therapy (), and the topic of medical family therapy probably deserves its own article as well. In general, this article needs more references and more recent references.
As it currently stands, the history section is too vague; it has a number of vague passive-voice claims that could be labeled with Template:By whom, although I haven't bothered to apply inline tags because I think the whole article needs to be rewritten. The praxis section is also too vague, and should be broken down with a number of subsections on different approaches and techniques. For example, the survey of systemic therapy in  has subsections on: 1. cybernetics and family systems theory (this subsection is mostly theoretical, with a diagram of Olson, Russell, and Sprenkle's circumplex model of marital and family systems); 2. strategic family therapy (conceptual framework and intervention techniques); 3. multigenerational approaches (conceptual framework and intervention techniques); 4. structural therapy (conceptual framework, intervention techniques, and case illustration); 5. experiential therapy with couples and families (introduction on Whitaker and Satir's early approaches, followed by conceptual framework of Johnson and Greenberg's emotionally focused couples therapy, intervention techniques, and case illustration); and 6. attachment-based family therapy. Obviously that list could be expanded, but the idea is to differentiate between a number of systemic approaches, explaining the conceptual framework and intervention techniques of each.
I think the article's portrayal of the difference between systemic and psychodynamic forms of family therapy is too simplistic. As  pointed out, interpersonal psychoanalysis from the 1930s through the 1950s developed systemic concepts, if not systemic techniques. And in the last twenty years, the emphasis on integrative psychotherapy has led a number of therapists to integrate psychodynamic and systemic concepts and techniques; see, for example:  and .
In addition to a more extensive and well-referenced history of theory, research, and practice in systemic therapy, it seems important to include some information on the current state of process and outcome research in systemic therapy.  appears to be a particularly important reference on this topic.
There is an extensive English-language literature on systemic therapy. Below I have included a list of potential recent sources that come to mind.
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I am willing to rewrite the article myself, but it's unlikely that I will have time to do so soon, so I am documenting my ideas here in case anyone else wishes to take up the task. Biogeographist (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what you described, Cite check wasn't the correct template; I'm going to switch it for . --Xurizuri (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is due for a rewrite (April 2015)

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I am willing to rewrite the article myself, but it's unlikely that I will have time to do so soon, so I am documenting my ideas here in case anyone else wishes to take up the task. Biogeographist (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what you described, Cite check wasn't the correct template; I'm going to switch it for . --Xurizuri (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential references

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