Talk:Stanisława Walasiewicz

message: She was Polish American, Polish-born naturalized US citizen. Describing Walasiewicz only as "Polish" is entirely wrong!   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.162.97.219 (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

message: Is there any information about whether she got married or had kids or anything like that that could have shed some light on the gender issue? I realize they didn't have tests like they do now, but it'd be interesting to know if she married and tried to have kids
4.142.90.211 (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: I took the liberty to remove the following part as it seems a tad strange. At the same time, Walasiewicz had a reputation for aloofness, and did not socialize with the other women athletes, causing some to be suspicious. . The problem is that what the Canadian runner said is obviously true as she did not stay with the Canadian sportsmen but rather with her Polish friends. Some of them recall her as a friendly and helpful person (Kwaśniewska). Anyway, it's easy to suspect something... 60 years afterwards, but it proves little. //Halibutt 23:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Halibutt, VERY nice work on this article. I agree that people's comments/opinions should be left out of Wiki articles. ONLY material that can be sourced and ALREADY exists should be added. My own unscientific findings are that 90%, OR MORE, of Wiki IS NOT sourced. Now I am not saying 90% is INCORRECT, just that it isn't sourced properly. It seems that people/editors would much rather CREATE new articles as fast as they can rather than spending time to edit/source/cleanup articles that already exist. Again, sorry if we got off on the wrong foot but I REALLY appreciate your efforts. Thanks! --Tom 16:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, Halibutt (and nice work on the article), I wasn't happy with this part anyway - although the point should be made that there were some suspicions about her sex at the time, but there was even greater doubt about that of Stephens (due in part to a rather Machiavellian campain on the part of the Walsh camp), and the matter was dropped when Stephens proved to be female. Even if she kept away from athletes of other nations (which itself is, according to Olympic athletes I've known, frowned upon, but it does happen), it seems likely that a reason would be that Polish athletes wouldn't rat on her, but others might...  ProhibitOnions  (T) 17:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks guys. As to the link above and Onionic comments (too bad English doesn't cope as nicely with adverbs as Polish does): there was indeed a great deal of competition not only among the athletes, but also their "camps". This indeed might be the reason why such doubts are not mentioned in Polish sources. On the other hand it would be nice to have some better source for that than the link. BTW, I used it anyways, though in another part of the article. //Halibutt 18:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aloofness 

message: This article refers to the individual as "he" in one sentence and as "she" in the next, but usually uses "she".  Due to Stella having XY chromosomes, I think the article should use "he" exclusively.  Comments on the matter?  Useight 22:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our most common practice is to use the gender the person identifies as. It seems clear that Stanislawa identified as a woman, as her birth certificate said female, she was given a woman's name, and the article says that her male sex characteristics were not discovered until after her death. - Montréalais 18:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: He vs. she

message: I have Stanisława Walasiewicz as finishing 2nd in the women's 500m speed skating during the 9th National Championship of Poland, 11/12-02-1933. You can read a lot about her in the archives of the Polish sports paper Przeglad Sportowy, which has a good web archive for it's 1921-1959 publications. Dirk P Broer (talk) 23:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skating career 

message: Hermaphrodite sounds like a terribly oldfashioned and not very precise way of describing this individual's gender. From this article, and especially the paragraph mentioning both XX and XY, I would guess this is a case of intersexualism involving mosaicism. The word hermaphrodite only confuses, and should be replaced. // 213.89.53.155 (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I was surprised that the word hermaphrodite wasn't mentioned, so I put it in right at the top. The text should be accessible to readers, not just scientists or specialists, so let's use terminology that can be understood by the widest range of readers.--Megaforcemedia (talk) 00:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article hermaphrodite says "Historically, the term hermaphrodite has also been used to describe ambiguous genitalia and gonadal mosaicism in individuals of gonochoristic species, especially human beings". I fail to see how using outdated terminology is helpful to readers. I am not suggesting inserting guessings about mosaicism etc. in the article, just removing that strange word. I will try to make a compromise. // 213.89.53.155 (talk) 16:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: That's a MAN, baby!  A MAN!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.216.225 (talk) 22:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This matter will probably never be settled as the field of genetics in relation to sex was very undeveloped at the time. Contemporary reports almost certainly won't answer those kinds of questions. To class this person as a cheat assumes that they knew full well the intricacies of sex genetics, knew which elements provided an athletic benefit, and that the official rules at the time provided a careful and knowledgeable treatment of mosaicism in athletes. None of that was true at the time, and most of that still is not true. The case of Caster Semenya shows how most people are not self-aware of these factors, and that modern science and athletics administration are not well equipped to handle a sensitive or consistent approach. SFB 12:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hermaphrodite"? 

message: Detailed investigation has also revealed that she had both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes. If detailed investigation exists, why is this sentence so undetailed? Her sexual identity is the key to understanding the article. both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes is extremely vague. Does that mean Klinefelter's syndrome? XXYY syndrome? Or mosaicism as mentioned in a comment above? Or what else? --::Slomox:: >< 14:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Question! Chrisrus (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed investigation 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: My grandmother was born of a Belorussian man and a Eukranian mother who immigrated to the US and then met and married- in 1912. They were rumored to be fleeing possible retribution from the Russian Revolution, having been Tzarist. None of this can I verify.
In order to conceal themselves from Bolshevik agents rumored to seek Tzarists in the Cleveland area, my great grand-parents fled to Canada, changing their name from "Walchuk" to "Walsh".
My Grandmother was born in Cleveland in 1915 and was named "Stella". Then became Stella Walsh.
A peculiar coincidence I thought would have not connection with Intersexed Stella Walsh, but odd they both took this name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.237.207.214 (talk) 06:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange parallel