Talk:Toph Beifong/Archive 2

message: Since it's undisputed now that she has a last name, should the article reflect that?  --Crisu 15:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having Toph Bei Fong as a redirect is sufficient, since she's hardly ever addressed with the full name, and its normal practice to name articles by a short version of a name if the person is overwhelmingly known by the short version. For example, "William Jefferson Clinton" is a redirect to "Bill Clinton".--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Having Toph Bei Fong as a redirect and stated in the article is enough. Bagpipeturtle 01:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article to "Bei Fong"? 

message: There seems to be some differences in opinion about the Trivia section mentioning possible meanings of Toph. First,  I wonder if anyone else is of the opinion we should add a small section on name meanings to clear up the clutter in the trivia, since it'd take out 2 of the larger entries. Next, there seems to be some debate about whether or not there is need for citations and if meanings are pure speculation and thus don't belong here. I think the many possible meanings are interesting and important, but the interpretations could be cut for the sake of remaining more "factual." (As in, mention that "Toph may be a play on the word 'tough'" and leave it at that.) Is that needed or should they remain as is? 
Imbrii 17:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think etymology is fine, provided that we can source things in it. Unless we hear direct from somebody, it will involve a little bit of speculation, but its acceptable in this context, I think.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Etymology

message: isn't anyone EVER going to add some?Tremewanbill 00:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've seen the show, you don't really need references unless it's something that hasn't really been released to the public. Qubeh 11:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: references?

message: ummm... sorry to open up this can of worms again, but here's proof that Toph has a crush on Sokka. The Placebo Effect 12:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Toph likes Sokka

message: I was listening to the creators' commentary on "The Blind Bandit" episode, and they said Toph's style of martial art was developed by a blind woman, so that their decision to make Toph a blind girl who employs this style of fighting was a "happy accident". Yet, when I looked up Southern Praying Mantis Style here on Wikipedia, they said NOTHING about this. Could their source (a friend of Sifu Kisu, who normally helps them work on the show) be wrong, or should we fix the article on SPMS so that it says this. (And, yes, I know that I should probably be using the Talk page with the SPMS article instead of this one, but the other Talk page hasn't been touched in ages, and I need an answer.) Thanks in advance! :)--Freespirit1981 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an expert on the style, but you would be amazed at the number of martial arts legends that are out there. Some styles have so many legends around them that it muddles up the true history. Just because Sifu Kisu said it doesn't make it true. Besides, his form and technique are terrible! I have a hard time believing anyone who claims to be a master and can't even perform what he teaches properly. (Ghostexorcist 21:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chu Gar Southern Praying Mantis Style 

message: shouldn't it be mention that when Toph's chi is blocked she can see, even with earthbending
According to the interview with the creators (at the Avatar Spirit site), it would make her completely blind. Toph "sees" with her Earthbending, so if Ty Lee were to block her chi (spelled "qi" in Chinese), she would lose her "sight". In short, it shouldn't be in the article.--Freespirit1981 06:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  blind 

message: shouldnt we add a picture in of toph in her new outfits in book 3?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragon queen4ever (talk • contribs) 14:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  firenation pic 

message: In Sokka's Master, Toph reveals that she was initially taught Earthbending by the Badgermoles. --Basique 12:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badgermoles 

message: Should a family section be added to relationships? They were shown in she was introduced and in one of the latest episodes her relationship with her parents did play a part on her attitude. 189.32.147.22 23:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The relationship section in Aangs article has been removed due to being considered original research, only fair that Toph and all the other characters have their relationship sections removed as well, as all relationship content seems to be considered original research by Wikipedias standards. [/sarcasm]. Can anyone get the Aang relationship section back? 189.32.153.180 (talk) 23:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: The article states:
:"An ongoing joke concerning Toph's blindness is her lack of ability to discern anything that has been written or drawn. In "Lake Laogai," Toph becomes angry when Sokka suggests that she needs help putting up flyers. She spitefully puts up a poster, only to inadvertently place it backwards and remarking, "It's upside-down, isn't it?""
The jokes concerning her blindness throughout the series are through the reactions of other characters (ie Sokka), not her "lack of ability" in itself (this quote makes it sound a lot like the series promotes that blindness is funny, which is insensitive and discriminatory). The "Lake Laogai" reference is tied to the first sentence, and  it reads like this event was also a joke. The way the scene was executed clearly shows that this was not meant to be funny, it was meant to show Toph's insecurities regarding her blindness and how (at times) it makes her feel useless. --Marshmello 23:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jokes about her blindness 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Toph and Katara1623.jpg

message: Shouldn't this article be at Toph Bei Fong, as it is her full name. Rau's Speak Page 08:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its here because in the show she is more commonly referred to as Toph. WP:NAME says to use the most commonly known name, and that the purpose of an article title is just so people can find it easily. If you still think we should move it, I'm sure there would not be any objections, but it seems more appropriate here, considering this is a fictional character article, not a real person. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 11:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked on there, but I couldn't find anything. But common name makes sense. Rau's Speak Page 13:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toph Bei Fong 

message: Since IGN made a review of first episode Toph appeared in, is it at all possible to make a reception section.  I am not very good at making references for these articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.88.239 (talk) 00:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Link up that review here and we'll see what we get out of it. Derekloffin (talk) 00:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm certain that there will be info for it. The episode was focused on her, there should be something. Rau's Speak Page 00:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception Section 

message: At the end of the page in discussion (Toph) it says "At the end of Book Three, she is shown to have learned Sandbending when she made an exact replica of the inner walls of Ba Sing Se (even adding the Earth King and his bear friend Bosco), thus making her able to use all the earthbending forms known so far." However, Toph has already been shown using sandbending in the episode "The Library", when she attempts to slow the sinking of the library by solidifying the sand around her feet to maintain a strong stance. Also, there have been no indications in any of the episodes that sandbending is difficult to use or learn, only that it is not widely used. Therefore, the aforementioned quote should be removed or edited and reinserted to the main paragraph. [EDIT] I have removed the aforementioned quote, and slightly fixed the last sentence of the previous paragraph so that it does not sound like the actual episode word for word.--Seb0910 (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandbending 

message: Why is Toph's age listed as 12 - 14? Each season of the series spanned a season, not a year, the first season is winter, the second is spring and the third is summer. As of the end of the series, only 9 months have passed, not 3 years. 189.60.129.184 (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: has anyone noticed that the writers would at times forget that Toph is  Blind at all?
1. in the episode "The Earth King" she is able to read the fake letter of her mom (brail?)
2. in the finale where the other airships had started burning the earth kingdom, Toph manages to say "wow,that is alot of fire." even though she was on an airship.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.6.177.170 (talk) 11:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't recall 1, but in 2, that was actually meant to demonstrate just how much fire they were talking about, that at that distance she could still feel it, which is why she ends that line with 'is't it'. Derekloffin (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very blind actually. Katara reads the letter to her. *SIGN* 20:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Plus, Toph often jokes about how the others will forget that she's blind. TakaraLioness (talk) 06:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not so blind actually