Talk:ABC (medicine)

message: This needs an urgent merge with First aid, Cardiopulmonary resuscitation, Advanced life support or Advanced cardiac life support. This list of ABCs has been covered in numerous articles, and it makes no sense to rehash them in a seperate article. JFW | T@lk 23:13, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok; I was just afraid to add to much content to First Aid; also, i wanted to link other pages, particularly the ABC acronym page to this one.  Actually, wait, maybe there could be some more talk, but i'd rather have it here so people could reference it directly.  Let me know if that doesn't make sense. JamieJones 05:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a good point in moving all ABC stuff to one article. I'd change the title (there's no need for CamelCase) and provide some references here. The ABC is followed even in advanced hospital settings, so you're probably correct that it is best dealt with on its own page. JFW | T@lk 09:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid i don't know how to do this.  See, I wanted to create a link from the ABC disambiguation page.  I can't just have this be the ABC page.  So I added the first aid part to make it separate from the ABC disambiguation page.  I looked again, and that's what most people did, but sometimes with brackets.  Check it out and let me know if there is a way to fix it?  I can't move pages because i am new.  I think! JamieJones 15:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Awesome yeah.  If you wouldn't mind.  Could you also fix :Category:First Aid, CPR and First Aid to have the right links?  Thanks! JamieJones 02:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This

message: Re: the proposed merger/move. We have ABC, ABCD on wikipedia (that I know of, there may be more). We also have ABCDE (from ATLS), ABCDEFG, and many more which exist in the medical world. Nobody really knows what each of the letters is supposed to stand for. Take ABCDE - Airway, Breathing, Circulation, Disability, Exposure is the classic; but we also have A = Airway & cspine control, or assess; B= Breathing, or Bleeding, or Breathing & Bleeding; C = circulation fairly consistently, D = Disability, defecits etc. ; E (which is the most problematic) = Exposure, Environment, Emotions, Examine (or any combination of these, and more!) etc.... Perhaps we should create a page called "Medical assessment priorities" or similar, and talk briefly about each system and its variants? --John24601 07:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me. —Keenan Pepper 15:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard "D" be "deadly bleed" or "defib", depending.  Sounds like a good idea John24601.  You still doing your first aid project?  I've been neglecting it cause it seemed like I was the only one! JamieJones  talk 19:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am, I've just been extremely busy in my real life recently. This is my effort to get back onto it! --John24601 19:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Have just reverted an edit adding D (for defib) onto the end, for two reasons. 1) The article is entitled ABC, other variants are discussed in a different place in the article so it was kindof in the wrong place. 2) Whilst the defib does terminate VF/VT, chest compressions are not what causes the heart to "re-sync". Would like to see some inclusion of defib, but it needs properly referencing and adding in the correct place in the article. --John24601 20:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defib revert 

message: I have ported this article to ABC (medical) as is applies beyond first aid in to the hospital clinical arena.  It was also originally designed as a training aid for hospital clinicians and nurses, meaning that the first aid moniker is inappropriate.  It also brings it in to line with other similar articles, which are postfixed (medical).  Owain.davies 21:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port to ABC (medical) 

message: I've never heard of the following, and it needs a reference before being restored (if it is real):
===ABCDEFG===
A 'G' in the protocol can stand for
*Go Quickly! — A reminder to ensure all assessments and on-scene treatments are completed with speed, in order to get the patient to hospital within the Golden Hour
-Dan100 (Talk) 13:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "G" 

message: Do the resucitation council advise first aiders to check pulse? I thought this was phased out as it is difficult to find a pulse / separate yours from the patients in some patients...
172.143.150.96 (talk) 23:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, first aiders do not check the pulse in resuscitation.  If you read the section on 'C' is does note that some protocols use 'compressions' or 'CPR' for C, but Circulation was the original definition laid down by the people who invented the mnemonic.  That said, I would expect many first aiders (although it would depend on level) to be making pulse checks if the patient is breathing (and that would also be the time when you went past C through D,E,F & G.  OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 08:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Also what i've been told, if they're not breathing then they are more than likely to not have a very good circulation anyway (And CPR helps).
172.159.51.45 (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: It has been awhile since I’ve been CPR certified here in the USA but the last time that I went through the course I was told that C stood for circulation but to check for consciousness and if they couldn’t be roused to assume that there was no circulation. Has anybody else been told anything similar? --ITasteLikePaint (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't even start ABCs unless the person was unconscious.  Consciousness check is part of initial patient assessment; without an obvious deficit, there's no need to check. Jclemens (talk) 23:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circulation 

message: Overall, this is a great improvement.  There's perhaps a bit too much bold face text to comply with WP:MOSBOLD, but I suspect that this problem will be corrected in a copyedit.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comments

message: Only one person commented on this article for its GA review, and below is that list of comments, so that editors can easily find them to work on (if appropriate).  
#Cardiac arrest is the ultimate cause of death for all animals is not true.  You can stop peoples hearts put them on the heart lung machine and restarted it a few hours latter once we have done the surgery.  Were they dead?
#WP:LEAD is lacking
#History section does not discuss the rest of the history and belongs at the end
#What about C spine "In this simple usage, the rescuer is required to open the airway (using a technique such as "head tilt - chin lift")"
#"In the event that the patient is not breathing normally, the current international guidelines (set by the International Liaison Committee on Resuscitation or ILCOR) indicate that chest compressions should be started."  Would need the ref were this is from?
#Do not like the use of all the lists
#What about ATLS, PALS, NRP?  The ABCs have a lot greater usage than just ACLS, BLS.
#What about globally?  Are they called the ABCs in french, german, japanese?
#This is written from the POV of a prehospital rescuer.  Needs to be written from a NPOV.  We use ABCs prehospital and in hospital.  It is part of the initial assement of every patient even though we usually do it automatically without thinking.  ie.  One says hello how are you if the response is normal one has varified their airway breathing and circulation ( poor circulation poor brain function ) therefore confused speech.
Regards, OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 18:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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