Talk:Anemoi

message: Since this is the only Wikipedia article on the Greek and Roman wind gods that is at all substantial (though it's still not much longer than a stub), I figured I'd ask here: what do you all think about the possibility of merging all the wind god articles into a single article on the lot of them, with individual sections on the different wind directions and their Greek and Roman embodiments and such. I believe this would be more efficient and would provide all the same information in a more compact and readily-accessible form, avoiding redundancies (i.e. all the current wind-god articles repeat the same list of all the other wind-god articles, often filling the bulk of the article's information with repetition) and encouraging expansion of all the different wind-gods by making their articles more immediately accessible to people interested in any of them. Currently, the state of the winds on Wikipedia is:
*East Wind
:*Greek: Eurus, a three-line stub
:*Roman: Vulturnus, a redirect to Eurus
*South Wind
:*Greek: Notus, a four-line stub
:*Roman: Auster, a totally unrelated article (it's an airplane!)
*West Wind
:*Greek: Zephyrus, a one-page article with a fair amount of information, a nice image, and an audio file; if merged with the other wind gods, would probably help encourage people to increase the size of the other wind god sections to match
:*Roman: Favonius, a one-line stub with a disambiguation to four things named "Favonius" that aren't; could either be made a disambig page (with a link to the general wind-gods page for the deity) or the links could be incorporated into Favonius' section on the wind-gods page since there's only one real page for anything with the name anyway (and presumably all the names derive from the gods' name, indirectly?)
*South Wind
:*Greek: Boreas, a nice-sized article of a similar size to Zephyrus; not as well-organized or pretty, but has a references section
:*Roman: Aquilo, a redirect to Boreas
*Southeast Wind
:*Greek: Apeliotes, a four-line stub
:*Roman: Apeliotus, a broken link
*Southwest Wind
:*Greek: Lips, a disambiguation page (that doesn't currently mention the god anywhere)
:*Roman: Africus, a one-line stub (that is actually completely factually inaccurate, claiming to be the etymological source of Africa even though this is heavily disputed; also, for some reason someone removed the Lips mentioning from this page)
*Northeast Wind
:*Greek: Kaekias, a broken link
:*Roman: Caecius, a broken link
*Northwest Wind
:*Greek: Skiron, a broken link
:*Roman: Corus, a disambiguation page (that doesn't currently mention the god anywhere)
We could also mention other Greek and Roman wind gods in the article who may merit their own article a bit more, like Typhon and Aeolus.
I don't care much where the merged article is; probably the best name would be Anemoi (the Roman equivalent, Venti, is arguably not as common and in any case more likely to be confused with other things; it's currently an article on a network storage system), just because it's more compact, stable, and historically-based than an interprative name like "Greco-Roman wind deities". But anyway, I'd love to hear feedback on this. -Silence 15:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. If a section becomes big enough, it could easily be farmed off back to an individual page, leaving a summary on the Anemoi page. ;) ntennis 15:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly! We can easily eventually have pages for all the winds again, a year or so down the line, once the merger's helped facilitate growth by a few more pages. Or maybe we won't. Either way, this should be a help. So, with that in mind, I've finished creating the Anemoi page; tell me what you think, and do feel free to make any changes you want. If no one objects, I'll change all the above links to redirects to Anemoi. -Silence 18:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Caecius" is incorrect. No such form can be found in any text in www.thelatinlribary.com (which has most Latin texts). Kanjuzi (talk) 14:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Roman/Greek Wind Gods merge?

message: Firstly: Great work Silence! Secondly, I'd like to consider the somewhat daunting task of applying one consistent approach to Romanisation of Greek names. I'm not expert but there appears to be two basic systems in use; one that I guess transliterates the Greek letters (eg. "Karpos") and one that is more of a transcription into Latin (eg. "Carpus"); the latter tends to be more common, especially in older texts. I suggest that for characters central to the article, both (or all) spellings are shown in the first instance (eg "Karpos/Carpus") and thereafter only one is used. Silence seems to have already taken this approach in introducing the Anemoi, preferring the -os to the more common "-us" endings. I also prefer the "-os" spellings, but many of the other names on this page are in the "-us" form, and it seems cumbersome to include two possible spellings for every character named in passing, eg "With Chloris/Khloris, he fathered Ampyx/Ampycus/Ampykos, Mopsus/Mopsos and Carpus/Karpos." Adding to the difficulty, the page names themselves are inconsistently romanised (eg. Chloris but Karpos - the more 'Greek' spelling was chosen to avoid conflict with the article on carpus bones).
So i'm sorry to present a tricky problem and not offer a great solution! It just sticks out to me when (for example) the caption on the image reads "Zephyros and Hyacinth", using a different spelling system for each name. Obviously this is a broader issue than just this page. See for instance Similarities between Roman, Greek, and Etruscan mythologies, which contains a list of wikipedia articles on Greek mythological figures. Unforunately, if we had to pick only one spelling, I'm afraid it would have to be the "-us" system as it's just more common. ntennis 01:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Consistency is most important. I'll switch to the Latinized versions of the names. I'd gone with the variants that were closed to Greek simply because we were also discussing the completely Roman versions of each deity, so going with the more Latinized names even for the Greek gods seemed unbalanced, but it's true that this leads to a lot of weird situations, so I've changed to using the "-us" endings almost exclusively. It's also true, and unfortunate, that there's very little consistency on this matter on Wikipedia. At least the current page name we have, Anemoi instead of the more common Winds, seems consistent with similar pages on Wikipedia: Charites instead of the much more common Graces, Moirae instead of the more common Fates, etc. Strange stuff. -Silence 02:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanisation of Greek names 

message: Thracian Boreas is in Aratus Solis Phaenomena associated with Andromeda, in lines 239-240 possibly with Aries and Pisces, and in 352-358 for secure with Aries, Pisces, Cetus and Andromeda. This should mean that the Thracian Boreas was a certain wind at a certain time of the year, where the said constellations were in a certain position... That Thrace simply was the home of Boreas seems like too simple for me, there must have been a certain seasonal wind causing this belief. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 22:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the Etesian winds, which are northern and awakens at the heliacal rising of Sirius. Then in South West, the opposite direction of the direction of Thrace, where from Boreas blew, as seen from Macedonia where Aratus was active, does Aries, Pisces, Cetus and Andromeda preside high in the heaven, but only just before dawn. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 22:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Thracian Boreas

message: This article says "Eurus, the east wind, was not associated with any of the three Greek seasons," which is a direct state meant that there are three greek seasons, but the article on greek seasons says that there are four (or arguably 2).  But not three. 76.126.215.43 (talk) 14:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconstant seasons 

message: I'm sorry to see that not all the other sensible adjustments have been made, but a minor one seems simple for somebody to do--not me, because I don't have the skill and/or power.
It makes no sense for Zephyrus and Eurus in the first section to link down to their sections of the same article while Boreas and Notus do not.
Please, can this strange imbalance be corrected? GeorgeTSLC (talk) 15:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unequal Treatment 

message: Just added a "Popular culture" section to the article, containing mostly info about the works of Rick Riordan that deal with the Anemoi. If anyone knows of other works with important references to these gods, I'd appreciate an expansion of the section. Thanks, and happy editing! - 2ReinreB2 (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture section 

message: It shouldn't be necessary to have 'Aquilon redirects here', since 'Aquilon' (which formerly appeared in the article) is an error, now removed. Kanjuzi (talk) 15:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Aquilon' 

message: Look at Turkic Bora/Boran < Mongolian Borugan The similarity is startling. There is a Persian word bārān باران and again a similar word to Turkish and Greek ones. Turkic bor/boz a kind of gray.UzunbacakAdem (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boreas 

message: anemoi 2600:1700:A9B0:ECB0:D401:5556:3BB4:B12B (talk) 03:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  lol 

message: The headings here have gone through various arrangements over time: in 2016 each Greek name had a section and a Roman subsection; by 2017 the Roman subsection headings had gone, with no mention of the Roman names; in 2019 Boreas had a subsection but none of the others did, and by 2021 Notus (alone) had a Roman name in parenthesis. In seems sensible to have the Roman name in the heading, so I have added it to the others for completeness. I trust everyone is OK with that. Moonraker12 (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section headings 

message: I propose that the section about Boreas be split into a separate page called Boreas. I believe the content of the section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. There are characters in Greek mythology with much less information than Boreas who have their own article. The section about his Roman equivalent would also be moved to that article.  Deiadameian (talk) 10:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal