Talk:Philip Bloom (businessman)

message: The discussion was closed as a Snow Keep very soon after it was opened. I disagree with the Snow closure. There's a very strong argument to be made that Bloom's notability stems from one event and it this unnnotable per WP:BLP1E. Perhaps the discussion should be started anew or we should commence discussions of perhaps merging this article to Coalition Provisional Authority, which is the standard for WP:BLP1E's.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't there several events here making up the plot - the notable crime over a lengthy period (not quite the same "incident" as, say, throwing green custard at Peter Mandelson), the prosecution with well sourced quotes and the conviction, again with plenty of media attention on quotes and detail. This does not seem to fit the definition given in WP:WI1E.—Ash (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mandelson's custard throwing incident also took place over more then one period. The custard was purchased one day, the tickets another day, the planning another day, and Mandelson's comment occured another day. One Event is more like one thing, not one circumstance. Well sourced is not a way of avoiding wp:blp1e, as these 15 minute of fame events are usually exceptionally sourced. At the end of the day, he is serving less then four years of prison for this crime. If all his notability stems from a crime for which he is serving less then four years in prison, his notability exemplifies WP:BLP1E.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The event here is not just the minutes it took to plead guilty in court. How long do you think it takes to spend $2 milllion "in bribes, in cash, real estate, designer cars, watches, and the services of prostitutes"; is that one event?—Ash (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is. One event is not the event or events leading up to notability. The event is the media coverage. WP:BLP1E was meant to exclude people whose entire notability stems from 15 minutes of fame. Ask yourself, was this man in any way notable before the substantial media coverage commenced? Is there anything to indicate that this person will receive media coverage in the future? If the answer to both questions is "most probably not", this is the type of person that wp:blp1e was intended to exclude from this encyclopedia. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If that were a suitable interpretation, how would the article Matthew Shepard be notable? He's only notable for his murder, unknown before that and being dead, unable to become more notable.—Ash (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  He's dead. Hipocrite (talk) 17:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

text: and yes, a person can become more notable after death. As in Shepard's case, when Federal statutes named after him were enacted as a result of his murder. Were they any major long lasting changes, such as Federal Law, enacted because of Bloom. No think so.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are truly convinced by this extended interpretation of WP:WI1E then why not use the WP:DRV process if you feel the AFD was closed too early? I raised the AFD to address the issue of notability in order to ensure such challenges were addressed and a reasonable consensus could prevail. I could think of other counter examples but I'm sure other people will have better rationales for notability.—Ash (talk) 17:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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