Talk:United States military award devices

message: Some names of devices listed in the article need to be corrected and updated.
(Ref: DoD Awards Manual 1348.33, V3, P. 7 (List of authorized devices), Nov. 23, 2010)
Correct name of device :
* Fleet Marine Force (FMF) Combat Operations Insignia (FMF Combat Operations Insignia)
* Arabic Numerals
* "M" (Mobilization) Device ("M" Device)
* Berlin Airlift Device  — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 20:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish to propose a name change to an article you need to do it on the article's talk page.  Two of the changes you want to make, "M" Device and Fleet Marine Force Combat Operation Insignia, use section headings out of a DoD manual, which in my mind hardly constitutes the "proper name" since that text is not used in whole in the section they headline.  On Arabic Numberals you are out of luck there as the more common usage is for, as you may have guessed, an article about the writing system with Arabic numerals.  That being said, I can only support changing the name of the Airlift Device to the Berlin Airlift Device.  When naming articles on Wikipedia we tend to go with the Common name.  A search of commercial sellers of military awards shows that most of them call the devices by their current Wikipedia article name.  We want to name things in a manner that they can be found.  Including the official name, with source citation, is appropriate in the article, but the common name prevails.  Cheers.  EricSerge (talk) 11:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Device name changes

message: "United States military service devices".
DoD Manual 1348.33 V3 (most current manual, "lists authorized service devices" (P. 1 (1.) (2)
Award devices, award stars, and award numerals are not authorized names in the DoD and the services award manuals.— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 21:53, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are taking service device out of context.  It is used only once on page one of DoD 1348.33 V3 the quote is "(2) Lists authorized service devices and appurtenances for DoD awards and decorations."  The rest of the manual just uses the term device.  By my reading the placement of service before device is in reference to the fact that each service does not use the same devices, but it is by no means the "correct" name for these award appurtenances. Cheers.  EricSerge (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name change proposal

message: This article has become a bit of a mess lately.  I cannot really tell what the direction and purpose of all of the redundant wikilinks and oddly formatted references is all about.  Unless there is a major overhaul going on, with a logical end result coming soon, I am likely make major changes to this article from its current state.  Cheers.  EricSerge (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: The Army has just released an official MILPERS on the devices: MILPERS 17-095. As I suspected, no mention of differing colors or wreaths to indicate multiples.  I'm too busy rigth now to update the article myself, maybe some-one else can, Cheers  Gecko G (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  MILPERS 17-095 

message: They also snuck in many mentions of the new devices in the 21 Dec 2016 update to the various volume's of the DoD Manual 1348.33.  Gecko G (talk) 03:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  DoDM 1348.33 2016 update