Talk:2004 Ukrainian presidential election

message: There are several articles online dealing with election inconsistencies, and the monitors from the OSCE and CIS countries.  I may have time to get to this later, but if anyone would like to take a crack at starting an election corruption section that would be groovy. --thames 17:57, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election Problems 

message: This Financial Times article talks about the ongoing power struggle: Yushchenko probes Kuchma regime, by Stefan Wagstyl and Tom Warner.  It was deemed too POV to be linked from current events, but has some interesting information that I haven't seen elsewhere.  Can anyone link to other articles in the same vein (I mean analytical, not POV).  —Michael Z.
: I should've anticipated a problem when Diebold called the Ukranian election for Bush five minutes before the polls opened. --66.102.74.217 05:04, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political analysis 

message: Isn't it truly bizarre to have only a picture from a demonstration of Yanukovich's supporters (rather than Yushenko's), when the true newspiece has been the (by all accounts) much more massive demonstrations of Yushenko's supporters, and Yanukovich's more limited demonstrations came only in response to those? Aris Katsaris 19:08, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem corrected. Aris Katsaris 03:39, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre choice of pic 

message: I still think official CEC results should be used for this map, because that is what the Yushchenko/Yanukovych map used. Accoring to CEC the highest turnout increase was in Donetsk oblast with 18.56 percent increase.
I don't think any more detailed map than regions is needed, also the less detailed map is easier to compare to the Orange/Blue map.
 --Berkut 01:46, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turnout Increase cont. 

message: Much of the content of this page was moved to a different page (Post-election developments in Ukraine, 2004) -- but I really think that most of it would be better off if it had been taken to Orange Revolution instead. 
I also think that really more than a sentence is required in this article than simply "On December 3 the Supreme Court declared the results of the runoff election to be invalid". This is short as too be ludicrous.
How about something like the following structure:
#Candidates
#Preliminary vote
#Runoff
#International influence and reaction 
#Orange Revolution
#*This would be about three-four paragraphs, linking to the main "Orange Revolution" article, and describing (in brief!) the twelve-day or so period from the elections to the Supreme Court Decision.
#Later Developments
#*After the Supreme Court decision the main part of the "Orange Revolution" is complete as it succeeded its reason. This would now about be the events following all the way up to the election.
#Repeat Elections.
What do you think about such a structure? Aris Katsaris 02:14, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Three articles about roughly the same set of events is too much. If you ask me, the page Post-election developments in Ukraine, 2004 is superfluous. Let's move it all to Orange Revolution! Cheers, IJzeren Jan 06:42, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the content to Post-election developments in Ukraine, 2004 simply because Ukrainian presidential election, 2004 had become too long for some browsers to handle it. I agree with Aris's idea about structring the "main" election page. But I disagree with merging the timeline with Orange Revolution or anything else (at least as long as the events still unfold). There's nothing wrong about a detailed timeline, and it describes more than the Orange Revolution itself. Mind you, the Orange Revolution means only a "series of nationwide protests, sit-ins, and planned general strikes in Ukraine, organized by supporters of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko following the disputed results of the presidential election." Post-election developments in Ukraine, 2004 is also about political negotiations, separatism, international reactions, media reactions, legal issues, Ukraine's military presence in Iraq and other things that go beyond the scope of Orange Revolution. --Kpalion (talk) 09:05, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: I think it's a bad idea to move too much to Orange Revolution.  Since the outcome of the elections is still uncertain, and Yushchenko is not yet victorious, I think it would be jumping the gun to place all the events under the rubric of the Orange Revolution (and probably violative of NPOV as well).  Orange Revolution should simply discuss the one side, some background on their efforts, contributors, motivation, etc etc.  Post-election developments is about to be obsolete as well, since there's going to be another election.  Post-election developments also goes into a bit too much detail for the needs of wikipedia--if you want that kind of detail, Wikinews is now available--although IMHO it's far from useful.  I think post-election developments should be condensed into a summary of the salient events between the first election, and the upcoming second round of elections, and it should all be put under the rubric of the Ukrainian Presidential Election 2004, since this is all one event, more or less. thames 16:52, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right, but let's summarize it only after it's all done in Ukraine. --Kpalion (talk) 17:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of content 

message: Near the end of the article we have described the objections of the US and EU to the Ukrainian election. As no dates are given, it's hard to tell if these are objections to the first or second runoff election. If they are objections to the first one, could that be clarified? It would also be nice to have some followup responses to their reactions to the second election here. Wesley 17:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  International objections 

message: This article is written in a wierd, chronological manner. Sometimes past events are referred to as present (eg. "The United States government has also decided not to recognize the election" referring to the 2nd election, despite the fact that a 3rd election has already occurred.)
It is clear that the article was written like this, but someone should go through and update it to make it clear how things ended up happening. I'd do this, but I don't know much about the subject.
68.49.142.108 06:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronological

message: Maybe we can remove the "noreference" sign already? There's mor then 5 sources linked. Ukrained 10:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point! Done and reasons explained in edit summary. --Irpen 16:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "no reference" template? 

message: Quote: "This led to a serious political crisis, widespread acts of civil disobedience, dubbed the "Orange Revolution","
Doesn't this term imply that the protestors we're doing something wrong or acting in a negative way. It just seems like slightly biased wording and should probably be replaced. 84.65.218.55 21:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Civil Disobedience' 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Viktor yushchenko.jpg

message: I just spend more then an hour finding and adding references because a previous editor added -tags all over the article, although I am aware that wikipedia is a colleberal effort that does not mean that editors should let other editors do there work for them because other editors are to lazy to do there own research! The events of the Ukrainian presidential election, 2004 are well documented and several books (in  are written about it. So it is not that hard to find references, I suggest every user in future tries to find references first before adding -tags. If you do not have the time, first make time and then add the references yourself before wasting time of and discretioning previous editors (making other editors look that they spread false information is in my view also POV-pushing). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 15:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{fact}} 

message: I have removed the above map as it is not backed up the published data and the information is misleading.  See http://www.cvk.gov.ua/vp2004/wp301-PT001F01=500.htm
eg.  Donetsk 
* 1st round  2,878,213 voters representing 86.74% of the region and 10.58% of the total national vote
* 2nd round  3,711,606 voters representing 96.20% of the region and 12.36% of the total national vote
* 3rd round  3,143,730 voters representing 93.54% of the region and 10.97% of the total national vote
Voter turn out in comparison to registered list http://www.cvk.gov.ua/vp2004/wp301-PT001F01=500.htm
Donetsk 3,771,767 registered constituents   37,613,022 Total National list
* 1st round  2,878,213 voters representing 76.31% of the region and 7.65% of the total national list
* 2nd round  3,711,606 voters representing 98.40% of the region and 9.87% of the total national list
* 3rd round  3,143,730 voters representing 83.35% of the region and 8.36% of the total national list  
Other regions of note include Crimea. Luhanst, Sevestopol 
The data presented is misleading as it is incorrect and is without a clear explanation as to the basis of the calculations used and the dates that it applies to.  Donetsk is most certainly is not 17% Ukr-Trident (talk) 09:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Map original research

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have removed the weird maps some user had sprinkled the article with; the same maps appeared no less than five times. Worse, the articles were downright misleading. Instead of showing the strength of support for each candidate by region, as any reader would expect, they showed what proportion of each candidates total came from which region. That is rather irrelevant, and basically only shows population density. I hope good maps can be added to the article. Jeppiz (talk) 21:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps removed - maps needed 

message: I'm assuming the 51.99 for Yushchenko and 44.20 for Yanukovych reflects the 3rd (final) "second round re-run" on 26 December 2004?
Do we have what the earlier percentages were for the first round (31 October 2004) and and second round (21 November 2004)?
I think we should list all 3 sets of data points to make it clear how much the %s shifted between these 3 points. LichCake (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  three dates but only one pair of percentages