Talk:Hotak dynasty

message: http://www.iranica.com/articles/georgia-vii-  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.219.196.21 (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hotaks were supported by Qizilbash to invade Persia because of Georgians 

message: Idk about people who keep labelling this empire as a simple empire without acknowledging the Hotaks empire was fundamentally a Pashtun empire, based on pashtun culture and the pashtunwali. Refer from changing this fact please
Also regarding persian as the langauge of the Hotaki empire is wrong. It was again a pashtun empire with pashto as its langaue..persian was more likely to be the regional language of Kandaharwhen the safavid captured Kandahar 
However the empire ; the Hotakis was a pashtun empire and therefore its important to acknowlege that Pashtunfacts (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yawn, show sources for your claims or leave this article alone. No one is calling this dynasty a Persian one or whatever you want to call it. Sources simply call the dynasty 'Afghan' generally, not 'Pashtun'. Heck, it's called Afghanistan today, not Pashtunistan. Stop these disruptive edits; dont. change. sourced. information. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi i dont think you understand but this historically was a a pashtun empire. There only afghan at that time and bistorically were the pashtuns. In fact hotaki is a major pashtun tribe . No need to change ethnic hiwtory based on nationaity  stop the distruptive edits Pashtunfacts (talk) 13:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think you understand that this isn't a forum where you can rant and try to impose your own personal opinion on others. Again, show sources for your claims or leave this article alone. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Lol. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empire ethnic 

message: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_The_Hotakids.png Can IP addresses please stop adding this map and saying it's "the correct map of the Hotaks" when it isn't? This map is extremely inaccurate and should be removed. The person who made this map listed no sources whatsoever and completely drew made up borders. 
1. Balkh and Afghan Turkestan weren't ever conquered by the Hotaks, The Bukharan Crisis: A Connected History of 18th Century Central Asia and The "Ancient Supremacy": Bukhara, Afghanistan and the Battle for Balkh, 1731-1901 illustrate this. It was controlled by Bukharan Chinggisids who made their own independent state in 1702 seperate from the Bukhara Khanate.
2. Kabul, Ghazni and most of Eastern Afghanistan was a mughal province at this time and never conquered by the Hotaks. The only source at all that says that Kabul was conquered by the Hotaks is Persia in Crisis: Safavid Decline and the Fall of Isfahan and no other source corroborates this. In reality, the Hotaks never conquered Kabul-The Afsharids did in a 1738 campaign.
3. Balochistan was ruled by Independent chieftains who constantly warred with the Hotaks. Nasser Dashti's book on the history of Balochistan gives a pretty detailed account of their wars.
4. Herat was ruled by Afghans, but a different kind of Afghan-The Sadozai Sultanate of Herat that also constantly fought with the Hotaks. Christine Noelle-Karimi and Sajjad Netajie's studies on Herat are good sources for this and is further corroborated by other sources for this period like Astarabadi, Lockhart, and Axworthy.
5. Khorasan was ruled by independent chieftains dominated by one Malek Mahmoud Sistani, entirely out of the sphere of Afghan rule. The Cambridge History of Iran Volume 7 and Axworthy give good accounts of the turmoil prevailing in that region at the time. Lockhart also provides substantial info.
6. Mazandaran, Astarabad, southwest Iran, and much of the countryside of Iraq-e Ajam and Fars were controlled by Safavid loyalists or other Safavid pretenders.  The Dutch East India Company records give good information on this. The Hotaks gradually took the surrounding area of Isfahan by 1725 but much of Iraq e Ajam was outside their control. Southern Iran was subdued by 1728 but even then they didn't control the coastal regions.
7. There was a split in 1725 and Ashraf Hotak never established his rule over Kandahar province, which was ruled by Hussain Hotak.
btw the source containing the dutch east india company records is The Afghan Occupation of Persia 1721-1729 by Willem Floor 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mapofthehotaks1728.png this map is much more accurate.
Kailanmapper (talk) 01:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am pinging the involved users in the hope of engagement User: 2A02:908:1511:71C0:5DA4:3E5A:777D:8509, User:94.220.113.244, User:2A01:C23:7554:3500:5DA4:3E5A:777D:8509. 
For you User:Kailanmapper, you did good by creating a talk, keep in mind that if there’s a dispute like this on WP you have to open a talk as the one wanting to change the article and facing opposition and you should refrain from reverting before there’s any consensus here on this page. I will perhaps join the discussion in a few weeks since I am too busy currently Xerxes1985 (talk) 00:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

text: No problem, also that would be very nice, thank you, if you have finished it link me to it User:Kailanmapper. Noorullah21 (talk) 22:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Ok, thank you. Noorullah21 (talk) 02:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Also people keep removing your map, reverted the person who did it again, this keeps traversing into an edit war now. Noorullah21 (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Kailanmapper Ok thank you, and yeah the general period of Sikh Misl borders around that time is very hard to determine. From what I know the Sikhs captured Multan in the same year in an offensive but Timur Shah Durrani had stopped it. Noorullah21 (talk) 20:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

text: @Kailanmapper Any update on the durrani map lol Noorullah21 (talk) 16:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Alright, thanks. @Kailanmapper Noorullah21 (talk) 21:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Kailanmapper Yeah im never getting that map are I lol, also if you dont mind me asking, whats your discord server link, the one from your youtube appears to be expired. Noorullah21 (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

text: its fine lol, and Ok. Noorullah21 (talk) 02:59, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Removing the Correct Hotak Map 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

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Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 16:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: melecie   t 02:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you 89.241.33.89 (talk) 11:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite error 

message: This is not the right map of Hotak dynasty.
Right map:
File:Hotak dynasty (greatest extent).svg Anyperson2020 (talk) 07:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong map 

message: Once were trusting Wikipedia but I dont know why Wikipedia changed the real map of Hotaki Empire the new map is false please correct the map. 2A03:2260:11B:E700:A959:BFFA:75D7:58D4 (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hotak Empire did not rule Kabul, Mazar-i-Sharif, or multiple of the northern afghan cities, they were only centred around Kandahar, and later expanded into persia. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring back the old map of Hotaki Empire 

message: Basedafghan (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2022 

message: Map is totally wrong requesting to change back to it's old map Hameed1992 (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. See above discussion Cannolis (talk) 09:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2022 

message: I have noticed that Persians, editiors are corrupting the map. While I provided contemporary sources about the map of the empire. They ignored it and push their own agenda map, falsifying history. According to "an account of the kingdom of caubul" they Hotaks had all of Persia under their rule. So, please if you can't provide a source for your made up map, than stop pushing your nonsense. This is an educational website not a propaganda one. Afghan.Records (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You got reverted by your countryman  and the map  is by your countryman as well. Anyhow, the background of others are of ultimately no relevance; don't bring up the backgrounds of other people and unsubstantiated theories (WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS). Not only did you not cite your "source" properly (WP:CITE), but Mountstuart Elphinstone is not WP:RS either, see WP:PRIMARY and WP:AGE MATTERS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Afghan.Records, please refrain from commenting on other editors ethnicity(or perceived ethnicity), since it appears you have been   blocked for such comments before.  --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map issue 

message: ghilji is Turkic tribe who become Pashtunized. David432ttpon (talk) 05:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was not turko-afghan