Talk:Artificial consciousness/Blasphemy archive

message: I moved the following to your talk page, bc it is not worth asking that at the Village pump. You may get more damage than benefit. You may want to discuss this here. Pfortuny 10:36, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  racism at village pump 

message: Why sysops support Paul Beardsell's racist attacks against me? Tkorrovi 10:02, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes in general, but sometimes it's allowed to write it more shortly, like "Why make so much fuss?" (A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language by Quirk, Greenbaum, Leech and Svartvik). I don't know South African English though. Tkorrovi 10:21, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  In the latter example you have missed out two words, "do you".  Which has a different effect to missing out the one word "do" in the former example.  If you had left out the word "sysops" also then that would have been correct grammar but would not have conveyed your meaning.  The noun-subject requires the "do".  Paul Beardsell 10:49, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This was an example from the grammar what I mentioned. You may say it's wrong if you think that you are smarter than Quirk, Greenbaum, Leech and Svartvik, the best English linguists today. Tkorrovi 11:07, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it unlikely that the sysops sentence came from your grammar book.  Paul Beardsell 11:11, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You talked about the latter example, this was just an attempt to leave impression to these who don't read carefully that I was wrong. Tkorrovi 11:23, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No, please do not misunderstand me:  I do not want to leave an impression you are wrong.  You are wrong.  In your example it was not correct grammar to leave out the "do".   Paul Beardsell 11:42, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: About that I already said my opinion, didn't I? Tkorrovi 11:46, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you have already given your opinion and I have already explained why you are wrong but, as ever, you do not read the reply with enough attention.  I will try again:  You think your grammar book agrees with you but it does not.  If you supply a noun-subject you need the "do" in a question.  In the example you give from your grammar book there is no noun-subject so the "do" becomes optional.  Although leaving it out can sometimes change the meaning a little but that is not the point.  It is invalid to leave the "do" out where you left it out.  Paul Beardsell 12:01, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes it's just allowed to omit the noun subject and "do", or only "do", though it's not the best, just when it would be necessary to write quickly. English is not a language with so strict rules as you try to suggest, there is no official grammar in English. By strict rules the example would be far from correct. I already said that I agree that with "do" it was more correct, this is what my grammar also says. Was it supposed to be a proof that my english is "very bad and far below Wikipedia level", or how it was said by these who claimed that they "pissed me off" or, sorry, I don't tend to remember offenses very exactly. Tkorrovi 12:17, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes I did admit that I made simple errors, read the talk page, this was simply hypocritical from you. But you cannot take from me a right to say my opinion, what I did, and it's not always just black and white so that you either admit your mistake or say that you were entirely correct. And that you don't write to me but to others on my talk page is wrong also. This shows that you don't want to discuss with me, but seek support against me from others. At least on my talk page it's not honest. Tkorrovi 13:13, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: And now please explain to everybody what for example your reply to me "What we need around here is an anthropologist" meant. Tkorrovi 10:29, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't a reply to you.  But acknowledge first "to everybody" that the primary purpose of an  anthropologist is not to distinguish humans from animals, which seems to be your understanding from your Village Pump posting.  Then perhaps you saying that I consider you an animal might be acknowledged by you "to everybody" as being a non sequitur and yet another of your false accusations.  I do however know more reasonable animals than you.  Paul Beardsell 10:49, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Or then to determine what is my race, whatever. Tkorrovi 10:57, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: So you acknowledge your accusation was false?  Paul Beardsell 11:11, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the only logical reason I find for being persecuted by you now already a month, is racism. I would be thankful if anybody can suggest another reason. Tkorrovi 11:19, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You always feel persecuted.  Not just here but in all aspects of your daily life.  Paul Beardsell 11:24, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No, even here there were no problems since July 2003, until you came in last month. Is it that you life is not successful, like these who are taken to French foreign legion, so that they would then enjoy hurting others? Tkorrovi 11:30, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But the pity of it is, is that there is no evidence that you can quote to support your view.  The best you have got is that, in the midst of an anthropological argument (in which I was not a participant) I called for an anthropologist.  How you get from there to calling me a racist must be a puzzle for all your avid readers.  Paul Beardsell 11:39, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Does Wikipedia support racism?  Or, are all Estonians or South Africans this sad?

message: I just wanted to ask you to stop arguing about that. It is not worth the effort, I think. But obviously it's your problem. Pfortuny 11:26, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "racism thing" 

message: Where did you leave a message? Matt Stan 20:27, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  simulated consciousness 

message: Paul Beardsell reverted Talk:Artificial_consciousness so deleting two of my last comments. I think talk pages should not be reverted, as this is taking the right from users to say their opinion or write their comment on talk page. Tkorrovi 23:49, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Having said that, however, I see nothing in the history which indicates that your comments were deleted.  RickK 01:32, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean this revision by Paul Beardsell:  what was reverting to this earlier revision: . With this reverting my this comment:  and this comment:  were deleted. The text what was added by reverting was previously moved into this archive:  by me, but my these two comments were my last comments and were not archived anywhere. Tkorrovi 01:49, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Just now the same reverting mentioned above was repeated by sysop Ugen64, with my these two comments deleted again. Tkorrovi 02:15, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: When the threats against me end? I was threaten to be blocked already second time without no reason. Why I'm treated like that, can you show a single vandalism by me? I always tried to discuss and solve problems so, the talk page is 6 volumes long, but attacks against me didn't end. I didn't delete other people's additions to article, even if I found them wrong, I did not have any bad intentions against anybody. But nobody never said me welcome. Please believe me, I'm not a bad person, why you attack me? Tkorrovi 04:06, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: I'm user here since July 2003 and attacks against me started since March 2004. Tkorrovi 09:17, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: As you see, the attacks don't end. I deleted only Paul's comment "Yes, but someone has to keep the Estonians happy." what was not informative and I considered it offensive. Previously South-African Paul Beardsell said that it needs an anthropologist to find out my nationality, or maybe he meant to find out whether I'm human or animal. Tkorrovi 09:50, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: I don't take this and other insults humorously. I think it's serious. It was a reply to me. I think it's racism. Tkorrovi 10:37, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Knowing two, I find I like 50% of all Estonians.  Paul Beardsell 11:03, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that I like most of the South Africans except the rulers of the former regime there, for obvious reasons. Tkorrovi 12:02, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: What should I do to stop this man from persecuting me? Tkorrovi 10:44, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop deleting his comments?  Paul Beardsell 11:03, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: By Wikipedia rules I can delete offensive (and not informative) comments for defence against attack. My two comments you deleted can not be considered to be an attack by anybody Tkorrovi 11:15, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Anybody who thinks that it's humorous, please say it here. Tkorrovi 10:48, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Be careful now, he will take offense!  Paul Beardsell 11:03, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop your offensive and tasteless jokes. Tkorrovi 11:15, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: From [[Wikipedia:Village pump]]