Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive/Artix Entertainment

message: Has there already been discussion and subsequent consensus on how to properly emphasize the difference between a player (i.e. someone playing the game) and a character (i.e. an in-game hero being controlled by a player)?  Is there some general rule (or specifically a Wiki-policy) to be followed when distinguishing between player and character?
I ask because I see examples where the term "player" is being used though the intended implication is "playable-character".  In these cases, I would personally prefer the term "character" be used.  Any other opinions?
-- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. I don't have a problem with you changing the wording. Alinnisawest (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player vs. character 

message: This article needs help! It's still at stub status. We need to clean it up and add to it. I really want to get those tags off the top of the article. I added a screenshot and reworded some of the descriptions, but it still needs a *lot* of work. Alinnisawest (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not add other features it has, like Ask Zorbak. Put more descriptions for each game, as in if the game is of some importance to the 3 Artix games' histories. I can't help you, I'm sorry. Captain | contribs 13:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I threw in a section on Ask Zorbak. Hopefully that will help. Alinnisawest (talk) 01:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get in there and add some more detailed descriptions about the gameplay of some of the games. They look too short. Most are just one sentence. I'll also add a few plot connections to the main AE games. Netaviofhell (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plot connections would be excellent! --Eruhildo (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebilgames 

message: We've been getting new members lately - yay! I'd like to create a welcome message to put on new member's talk pages with helpful links and such. Unfortunately, not much comes to mind - maybe I've been here so long that I've forgotten what I needed when I was new -_-. Anybody have any ideas? --Eruhildo (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The welcome template, where is it? I looked on the Wikiproject page, but I didn't see a link to it? Alinnisawest (talk) 04:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome message 

message: Moved from Talk:DragonFable#Complaints Section --Eruhildo (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the only section I haven't gone over yet, so it's still the original text. I agree with everything you said. I want to cut out anything we can't cite. I'd also like to have refs to websites other than the DF forums. I'm not too good at that sort of thing though, has anyone else seen mention of this stuff? --Eruhildo (talk) 19:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Something else to consider... Shouldn't only citable complaints be listed?  The Complaints section should not be treated as a free-for-all whining section, which is typically what Complaints/Controversies sections become when citation is not being given. -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely! I think renaming it to "Reception" might help it not look like just a compilation of complaints. Check out WP:VG/GL#Critical content. --Eruhildo (talk) 01:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Eruhildo! "Reception" is a good one, but is there another word we can use to replace "Complaints"? Captain | contribs 02:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only other thing that comes to mind is "Criticism". Unfortunately, people often associate negativity with that word. --Eruhildo (talk) 06:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Critical Reception"? I saw it in the MapleStory article. It sounds, well, less negative than just "Criticism". Alinnisawest (talk) 16:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That could work too. It doesn't really matter to me which one we use though. --Eruhildo (talk) 18:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: A good choice! Any other possible words? Even a dictionary (an old one) can't give me a synonym! Captain | contribs 22:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Feedback" or "Critical Feedback"? -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 12:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I like that even better! Feedback sounds much better. It's much more neutral. Alinnisawest (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Here is a possibility:
"While the majority of DragonFable is available to free players, some quests and other game content are only accessible to paid players. This content includes titan fights, where the player's dragon becomes a full-sized dragon for battles against other large monsters, the ability to save starting items, and the special DragonLord armor. Some fights important to the storyline are also only available to Dragon Amulet holders with their Titan dragons. However, free players can usually still watch the cutscenes leading up to them." Alinnisawest (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

text: That looks like a good openning to explain the overall situation to the reader. Keep up the good work! --Eruhildo (talk) 14:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if there's no issues, then I'll add it! Thank you very much! Alinnisawest (talk) 22:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Section added. Alinnisawest (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaints section name 

message: Hello. Back from a brief break and I just added a Project Goals navbox. Does anymore think it should stay, or should I write a new one in paragraph form and let the naviagation box bite the dust? Ronan Alifar (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a list form might be easier to work with, though the template is well done and looks nice. Also, if I remember right, it should be Lore (Artix Entertainment). --Eruhildo (talk) 15:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The closest I can find to our situation in the MOS is: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines/Naming#Disambiguation number 7. Which would make it Lore (Artix Entertainment). However, that does not mean the other titles can't be used for redirect pages (which I think they should be). As for the template, go ahead and merge the data into the project page, then tag it for speedy deletion. (See WP:CSD#T3 and .) Even though it looks nice, I think a simple list will be more funtional. I've seen other projects where lists worked well, but they always had more articles to take care of than we do. Speaking of which, when did we get a list of AQ characters article!? We need to take of that one quick before it becomes a problem. -_- --Eruhildo (talk) 06:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Goals 

message: Write: Lore (Artix Entertainment) should be written to give background on the world of Lore in general. It should include geography, culture, and races of Lore. Some redirects may be Lore (world) or Lore (AdventureQuest).
Expand: EbilGames is missing citations and references. It requires expansion, perhaps on the site's history and it's involvement in Artix Entertainment games, and it's update status. 
Clean Up: MechQuest requires reliable verifactions and sources. In a similar issue, it also fails to meet Wikipedia's Wikipedia:notability guide. • AdventureQuest requires additional sources, since it relies mainly on battleon.com, past versions of it which may not exist anymore. It needs third party publications, or perhaps still-existing forum posts to verify the sources. • List of Characters in DragonFable, List of Characters in MechQuest and List of Characters in AdventureQuest perhaps should be assessed as it does not have any citations, and it includes nearly every character in the game, including ones that could simply stated in the game article.  
Ronan Alifar (talk) 00:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed Project Goals 

message: A user called AQWIKI created this article- I really don't think it should be there until the game is actually released, but I'm not really sure what to do about it. Alinnisawest (talk) 21:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say just clean it up and keep on top of it - it's too much of a pain to get rid of it then bring it back later. I'll do some research on it when I have some free time. --Eruhildo (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I try to get in on every test day, so I'll be providing most of the new information. I'll be watching the homepage for any event that comes up. --Netaviofhell (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[AdventureQuest Worlds]] 

message: I propose to remove all See also sections since our navbox does the same thing and is near the same spot in the article. What do y'all think? --Eruhildo (talk) 07:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I 100% agree. They are now unnecessary. Plus the navbox looks a lot better.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alinnisawest (talk • contribs) 16:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also sections 

message: I've noticed a lot of edits lately using abbreviations from the forums (like AE or DF or SC and so on). While these are sometimes OK, I think they should be mostly avoided in the articles. While we know (well, sometimes!) what SRoD and CCL mean, most readers of Wikipedia don't. So I think we should avoid using them if at all possible- what do you think? Alinnisawest (talk) 01:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, definitely - I'd say always spell out anything that might be confusing. I don't actually know what SRoD and CCL mean. ^_^;; --Eruhildo (talk) 04:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a glossary of abbreviations somewhere on the forums. SRoD is ShadowReaper of Doom and CCL I'm not certain about. I know CCA is ChickenCow Armor, but I don't think anyone uses that one, anyway. Alinnisawest (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using Abbreviations in Articles 

message: The video game project's guidelines underwent some changes recently and suggest everyone to go through it and read the updates. Especially read the revised WP:GAMECRUFT section - it has lots of stuff specified in it now that shouldn't appear in articles. --Eruhildo (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:VG/GL]] changes 

message: There's been a lot of vandalism lately on all our articles. (especially AdventureQuest... the entire history is vandalism and reverts!) Is there something we can do about it? I noticed List of Characters in DragonFable has been semiprotected; can the same be done for the other articles, or at least AdventureQuest? Alinnisawest (talk) 04:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Ok, I'm proposing a new guideline: If a character is not relavent to the game's plot that character should not be listed in the list of characters. Thoughts? --Eruhildo (talk) 04:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a good one. I don't know about the others, but I support it. Captain | contribs 04:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I also agree. We've needed a firm guideline for a while on exactly what characters should/should not be included, and I think this one works well. May be a bit iffy for Mechquest, though, because there isn't much of a plot yet. Alinnisawest (talk) 20:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters to keep and characters to throw out 

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message: For those who don't know, I'm currently writing up a set of article guidelines for this project. It's going kind of slow though, so I was hoping y'all might have some ideas. So, any ideas on what would be good to have in an article guideline for AE articles? --Eruhildo (talk) 00:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see... stuff to definately include: (my thoughts in italics)
* some sort of a definite guideline on what characters should/should not be included in character sections (I vote for only characters that are important to the storyline or otherwise notable... like King Alteon in DF is important, but not a major part of the story)
* same for settings/towns (again, major towns/cities should be listed, especially if major events happen there, but not much else. Like Westion can be listed for MQ, but Khaeldron and Alamonia shouldn't be listed seperately, perhaps.)
* we really need a decision on unreleased stuff. I noticed there's been a lot of stuff over that on the AQ article (something to do with the Sweep... which I don't even know what that is, really...) and there was a thing over the paladin/necromancer classes in DF with unsourced stuff. (maybe if it's an unreleased class/whatever it has to have a definite source with it, like a forum post by a staff member (not just a mod, an actual staff member) or a DN)
And yeah... that sort of thing. I'll see what else I can come up with, maybe? Alinnisawest (talk) 01:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

text: That helps a lot! Thanks, you really got my creative juices flowing again. Ok, I've cleaned up my working page enough to share it now. User:Eruhildo/WP:ARTIX article guidelines - everyone feel free to add anything you think would be appropriate. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project guidelines 

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thread_title:  '''BIG PLOT EDITION FOR AQ WORLDS''' 

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replies: text: Eruhildo used to relatively be in charge, but I'm not sure if he's still active enough in this WP to take that position... I don't really care, honestly. Who's actually active in this project, anyway? Me, you, Megaman en m, Jakcer, Fridae'sDoom, Mark Chung, Veonyx, Eruhildo and 7h3 3L173 are all I can see that have significantly contributed to the pages (by a quick glance at the history pages). I guess we're more a collective community than a hierarchy. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress (extermination requests here) 13:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinators' working group 

message: For anyone who is intrested: click here. I think it's better than the version we have now, but... eh, it's explained at the top. Just for anyone intrested...
7h3 3L173 (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandboxing 

message: I have the format for the "World of's" stuffed up in here. The real thing I'm saving on my computer, because it is too messy :P. Anyway, I'm asking if "Characters" should be merged with "Factions"; it'll be easier for me but it's going to be easy to switch between them anyway, so anyway...
Thoughts?
(I changed my sig again, I'm finicky :P)
7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t / c ) 20:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks pretty good as a start! Once we actually start putting in information, we may find that it's too long in some parts and have to cut it, but it's a great place to begin from. I'm not sure about the factions/characters... probably not, I think, unless the article is simply too long (or the two sections are too short). --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress (extermination requests here) 01:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More sandboxing 

message: WarpForce is coming! I can't believe they're releasing a new game so quickly! AQW just came out a year ago! For those who haven't seen the teaser in AQ or the forum announcement yet, it's sort of a sequel to the Devourer Saga. In space. With drakels. I hope we get mechs. (oh, and so I can pretend this is on topic, I added a section on it to the AE article, and properly ref'ed it and everything! ;) )--Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress (extermination requests here) 00:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHOOOOOOAAAA! 

message: OMG!!!! There have been no discussions from anyone related to the AE program since, like, May!!! Where is everyone?!!!!!!  --Jakkinx (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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