Talk:Greater Israel

message: this is racist nonsense
:Irredentism often is. —Charles P. (Mirv) 22:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: we need a map. Cameron Nedland 02:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: we need three. —Charles P. (Mirv) 16:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Sources? —Aiden 18:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well if there is even any mention of the Euphrates it is referring to part of Syria not Iraq or Saudi Arabia, which was the greatest territorial extant in history, and the idea of reaching the nile comes completly from the propaganda of Arab governments. Even so, really the largest irredentalist idea that actually exists today, is inclusion of all the West bank, Gaza, Golan, and very small parts of Jordan and the Sinai, but that is an extreme fringe belief.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 22:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current conclusion as to what the verses mean is unsourced OR. While some sources interpret the edge of the Nile delta (Pelusian branch - see Brook of Egypt) as being a border, I couldn't find any sources for significant portions of Egypt outside the Sinai, nor major parts of either Saudi Arabia or Iraq. While I couldn't find a detailed description of the northwestern border's limit along the Euphrates, that includes not having seen any indication that it expands as far as the passage infers. I'm removing the aforementioned parts, of course if a source is presented I should be reverted. Remember that the map included describes anti-Israeli propaganda and not biblical exegesis. Cheers, TewfikTalk 05:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  map discussions 

message: The map proporting to show the region controlled by king David is clearly inaccurate - Israel and its people at no point controlled that extent of territory - I could accept it as a version presented in some story or religious text if it were so marked (though I see no place in the Bible where it states that David controlled any such territory).  
:actually it's common knowledge and in the bible about david and solomon's time. "ruled over all the kingdoms west of the Euphrates River from Tiphsah to Gaza; he was at peace with all his neighbors" (I Kings, 4:24) . Of course it's according to the bible, since that's the main source for David's kingdom, and this is in fact a biblical idea too - greater israel. And it also says in the intro "Biblical boundaries". Anyway, what was written was just the caption from bible history.  Amoruso 06:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So we're taking he bible as fully accurate source with no other historical references? 96.31.177.52 (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region of king David?

message: Would someone please give a justification for spending such a large proportion of this entry to Daniel Pipes' classification of linguistic usage of the term "Greater Israel"? And further, in what sense is he a good authority on this issue? PJ 23:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Greater Israel" 

message: International Hyperzionist Movement “Bead Artseinu” (For the Homeland) pursue a goal of renaissance of Greater Israel in its biblical borders from the Nile to the Euphrates. 1 2--83.237.222.170 15:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear unsigned, although you are definitely right, Wikipedia has a policy of not giving undue weight to fringe opinions. Therefore, to include this opinion in the article, you have to find at least one published reliable source. Emmanuelm (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe even at least one functioning website ... Tomertalk 19:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperzionism 

message: I rewrote this article to shorten and clarify it. This topic is minor; please keep the article short. Emmanuelm (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic isn't as minor as your portray it. It is the center of a major world hot-spot. Without understanding the Jewish claim to Greater Israel / Eretz Yisrael HaShelemah, you can't understand a central element of Middle East and World politics. --75.239.143.242 (talk) 13:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: In the article Land of Israel, Jaakobou and I have reached the three revert point and request your opinion. Briefly: 
* Jaakobou, if I understand him correctly, argues that "greater Israel" refers to the Genesis 15 definition of the Land of Israel.
* I wrote that the expression "Greater Israel" is used by the political opponent of Likud to designate the current state of Israel with annexation of the West Bank and the Gaza strip. 
The Likud calls this territory "Land of Israel". Hence, this issue is relevant to that article. In an attempt to convince Jaakobou, I quoted three sources, including Israel's PM Olmert, then US SoS James Baker, and NYT editorialist Ethan Bronner, all using this expression. Jaakobou reverted this text too. Without resorting to a formal RFC, I invite you to voice your opinion on the subject. Please post your comments in Talk:Land of Israel.  Emmanuelm (talk) 18:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I only now noticed this thread. Anyways, it might be good to actually start an RfC as there seems to be a huge discrepancy between English terminology and Hebrew. I'd be interested in opening this for the wider community's perspectives. JaakobouChalk Talk 13:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are both right, and actually there are several other definitions. It a matter of context. Some definitions went out of use with the change in geo-political circumstances, some are still used depending on the specific context. DrorK (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute: definition of "Greater Israel" -- comments please

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Reference named "haaretz":
From History of Israel: 
From Flag of Israel: 
From Yitzhak Shamir: Former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir dies at 96 Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
From Muslim supporters of Israel: The many faces of Dr. Qanta Ahmed, Haaretz
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replies: text: None of the above. Ref. found (well-concealed) in another article.  Added. Done. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:07, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Greater Israel]] 

message: The maps contain far more information, and more specific information, than the words and the sources.  They may be original research, or simply taken from a source not cited.  WP:NOR. The editor who uploaded them has apparently left Wikipedia.  The maps should be removed or replace. Sfarney (talk) 11:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps without Source

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message: :Currently, the most common definition of the land encompassed by the term is the territory of the State of Israel together with the Palestinian territories.
Citation needed. Half of search results are the conspiracy version, anyway. -- 95.90.219.98 (talk) 09:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The comment below seems unsigned and has no reply button so I leave my comment here but I only wanted to provide a source for the debate that they mentioned as it seems that the content of the debate might provide some clarity as to disputes about the term "Greater Israel" on the wiki page. I do not intend to insert it myself but, for anyone who feels interested, you can find it here: DEBATE: Israel-Palestine w/ Noam Chomsky & Rudy Rochman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89GVWT-Dbys Hope that helps. AnthonyTF (talk) 12:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Currently" 

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Thank you. Basketcase2022 (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your contribution. You providing the exact wiki-source to replace it with is very appreciated! The citation has been corrected per request. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 01:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 August 2021 

message: Under the first image, the word "halachaic" is used. The proper word is halachic. Hereiszee (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch! Lizthegrey (talk) 20:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2023 

message: The Bible also talks profusely about why the jewish people WOULD LOSE that promised land, and for what reasons, the 2 destructions of Jerusalem (last one in 70 a.D. at the hand of the Romans, event prophesied in advance by none other than Jesus Christ), says when they would recover it, and the huge battle of Armageddon that is to come where they will be punished yet again until a REMNANT finally understands who their Messiah was/is..
Nowhere in this Wikipedia article is specified all that, and it should be. Tell us what was promised, but also tell us WHY THEY LOST IT, and reference the very specific biblical quotes. So, again, we know roughly from the Bible the geographic location of that promised land, but the Bible is also VERY SPECIFIC, both in Old Testament and New Testament, why they LOST IT. Spytrdr (talk) 11:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  the promised land and why they lost it... 

message: Below the "In academia section, please include the following:
In his pseudonymous article written in the Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs, experienced diplomat Michaela Domingo wrote: "it is high time for segments of Israeli society to come to grips with the idea, however painful, that the territorial integrity of the Land of Israel [shlemut ha-aretz] is an entirely delusional notion and a very dangerous one at that. Palestinians reside in many of the territories that they claim as part of the state to which they aspire and will always cling to the land they inhabit regardless of the circumstances. However difficult, both sides must internalize the idea of “safe sharing,” which rejects the use of violence—if not for the current generation then for the next one. A culture that includes knowledge of the other will eventually lead to empathy and a common purpose."
Citation: Michaela Domingo, "A Way Forward Even in Israel’s Darkest Moment," Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs, Volume 18:1 (May 2024), https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23739770.2024.2342055?src=exp-la Jacob DeMoulin (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2024