Talk:Ursula Caberta

message: This article needs to be expanded with additional citations from reputable secondary sources.  I will get to this at some point soon...  Smee 12:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Can information and reputable secondary sourced citations from the German version of this article be utilized to expand this version, and vice versa?  Smee 22:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current german version is properly sourced, and is not libellous. I don't know if the contents (e.g. her party affiliations) are of interest to the english public. I don't really have the time to translate it... here in wikipedia, I mostly try to correct stuff and remove POV. --Tilman 05:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay.  I just thought that if there were more information in other citations over there that could be brought over here...  Smee 05:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Wikipedia 

message: The article states "Ursula Caberta y Diaz (born 1950) is the Commissioner for the Scientology Task Force of the Hamburg Interior Authority. She graduated in political economy in 1950." Please note that her date of birth and the date of her receiving a degree in political economy are the same.Azawalli 21:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it out (there is more references for her birth date than for her education). Makoshack 17:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake in Dates

message: On my recent additions I am collecting translations on this story, here are two to start with: 
(21 August 2007, SWR website at 11:45am) 
Scientology experts deceived by con man
According to SWR information, the supposedly high-ranking dropout of Scientology is a notorious con man. The man was presented to the media by sect experts as a longstanding member of Scientology with secret insider knowledge.
In June this year Christian Markert contacted German authorities in the USA. The 36 year old supposedly seven-year member of Scientology with secret insider knowledge was helped getting out of the organisation.
Shortly later Ursula Caberta (head of the Task Force Scientology, TFS, in Hamburg) presented the man in an event about Scientology to the Berlin CDU faction. Before that the Hamburg ministry of interior had the man flown into Germany. Up to this day Markert is assisted by the TFS as top dropout of Scientology. Market had said to have been a member of Scientology´s interal “intelligence service” called Office of Special Affairs.
In jail for fraud
According to investigation by SWR the 36 year old man was noted many times as a con man; the supposed dropout was even sentenced therefore several times. In the late 1990s he was in prison. The data about his life history are that much contradictory in itself that a longstanding membership and high-ranking duty in Scientology seem to be impossible. In an interview with SWR he said to have studied in the USA in the late 1990s when he became a Scientologist. He claims to have been rapidly appointed member of the inner circle of executives for his talents. Finally he would had been sent to Ireland where he “more or less was head of the Dublin mission”. Meanwhile a speaker of the Irish police confirmed that Markert is currently wanted for theft in Ireland.
Markert gave interviews to “Focus”, ARD, ZDF and other media. The Baden-Wuerttemberg Office for Protection of the Constitution (internal secret service), too, questioned him for several days and was convinced about the correctness of his
data to a great extent. When confronted with SWR´s investigations the Office for Protection of the Constitution meanwhile declared that Markert´s information “are considered with caution”.
Voluntarily into psychiatry
But Markert not only deceived sect experts and authorities but also artists. In 2004 he planned the a musical gala with two dozens of performers and rented 40 halls throughout Germany. One staff became suspicious when he showed off to have been on stage even with Glen Close and reported him to the criminal police for fraud which then stopped the whole tour. According to information of the staff’s attorneys he then went to Essen where he admitted himself to psychiatry, the staff said to SWR.
In a catalogue draft of the musical available to SWR, he called himself Chris Markert-Davis and claimed “to have performed as various leading characters in the musical productions of Phantom of the Opera, Sunset Boulevard, Les Miserables and The Beauty and the Beast. With the same photo as in the catalogue he praises himself as an counsellor for life and “doctor of psychology”. Since weeks Markert could not be reached for a comment.
(21 August 2007, SWR website at 7:37pm) Scientology expert dissociating from dropout
Head of the Task Force Scientology Ursula Caberta dissociated from a dropout of the sect who according to information of SWR he is a con man. The supposed “top Scientologist” had also been questioned by the Baden-Wuerttemberg Office for Protection of the Constitution.
She never would have said that 36 year old Christian Markert was a “top Scientologist”,
Caberta said to ddp per research of SWR. However she admitted that “the man is assisted like any other dropout”. In a SWR interview in early July the Scientology expert had pointed out to the importance of dropouts for her work where she specifically referred to Markert who according to SWR is a supposed con man. He was presented to the media by sect experts as a longstanding member of Scientology with secret insider knowledge. In June this year Markert contacted German authorities in the USA. As supposedly seven-year member of Scientology with secret insider knowledge he was helped getting out of the organisation. Shortly later Ursula Caberta (head of the Task Force Scientology, TFS, in Hamburg) presented the man in an event about Scientology to the Berlin CDU faction. Before that the Hamburg ministry of interior had the man flown into Germany. Up to this day Markert is assisted by the TFS as top dropout of Scientology. Market had said to have been a member of Scientology´s internal “intelligence service” called Office of Special Affairs.
In jail for fraud
According to investigation by SWR the 36 year old man was noted many times as a con man; the supposed dropout was even sentenced therefore several times. In the late 1990s he was in prison. The data about his life history are that much contradictory in itself that a longstanding membership and high-ranking duty in Scientology seem to be impossible. In an interview with SWR he said to have studied in the USA in the late 1990s when he became a Scientologist. He claims to have been rapidly appointed member of the inner circle of executives for his talents. Finally he would had been sent to Ireland where he “more or less was head of the Dublin mission”. Meanwhile a speaker of the Irish police confirmed that Markert is currently wanted for theft in Ireland.
Markert gave interviews to “Focus”, ARD, ZDF and other media. The Baden-Wuerttemberg Office for Protection of the Constitution , too, questioned him for several days and was convinced about the correctness of his data to a great extent. When confronted with SWR´s investigations the Office for Protection of the Constitution  meanwhile declared that Markert´s information “are considered with caution”.
Voluntarily into psychiatry
But Markert not only deceived sect experts and authorities but also artists. In 2004 he planned the a musical gala with two dozens of performers and rented 40 halls throughout Germany. One staff became suspicious when he showed off to have been on stage even with Glen Close and reported him to the criminal police for fraud which then stopped the whole tour. According to information of the staff’s attorneys he then went to Essen where he admitted himself to psychiatry, the staff said to SWR.
In a catalogue draft of the musical available to SWR, he called himself Chris Markert-Davis and claimed “to have performed as various leading characters in the musical productions of Phantom of the Opera, Sunset Boulevard, Les Miserables and The Beauty and the Beast. With the same photo as in the catalogue he praises himself as an counsellor for life and “doctor of psychology”. Since weeks Markert could not be reached for a comment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makoshack (talk • contribs) 04:17, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
:That's kind of a lot. Perhaps Christian Markert should have his own article? AndroidCat 17:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caberta falls for con artist Christian Markert 

message: "In 1995, Caberta took on an active role in controversies related to Scientology in schools in Bjerndrup near the German border". wikipediatrix 16:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First I'm straightening up the refs and probable blp. AndroidCat 17:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind of vague, isn't it? 

message: ::::The Christian Markert show. This section is very awkward (especially in English). It begins with an OR conclusion mildly connected to Caberta, and then rambles all over the place with speculation about a person or persons named Christian Markert, Christian MARKERT-DAVIES, etc. It's unclear how much of all of this is really supported by the sources and how much is a synthesis. I suggest that you boil it down to point form, and rewrite it up from there. If you won't and persist in removing the tags, then there are various arbitration processes, especially for bio articles. AndroidCat 12:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Show"? As far as I understand this Christian Markert is an individual who claimed to be a Scientologist while being a known and proven fraud long before Ms. Caberta decided to sponsor and use him as a witness against Scientology. In the end he turned out as a fake Scientologist. This indeed could be material for a thriller. I took pains to find more reliable sources and aside from a lot of blogs or audio files with the radio show could find more references of the required quality. I would say by now each sentence of this paragraph is backed up by at least one or two references. Makoshack 05:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: What "agenda"? The point is that even if Markert has a "record", Caberta isn't related to it. Plus, scientology confirmed that he is a former member. They'll know why they hired someone despite him having filled out the standard life history form. --Tilman (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of rules, "202.64.77.113", I see that you not only re-added material previously discussed and removed, but you slipped in the Church of Scientology defamation site religiousfreedomwatch.org as a reference. You should know better than that. AndroidCat (talk) 04:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian Markert

message: A video shows how some members of the cult harass Ursula Caberta at the airport:
http://mediathek.daserste.de/daserste/servlet/content/1407418?pageId=&moduleId=799280&categoryId=&goto=1&show=  Пипумбрик (talk) 07:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Scientology members harass Ursula Caberta

message: Substituted at 09:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: An editor removed the Scientology classification without explanation. I have restored it. If there is a good reason to remove it, please discuss it here in Talk: Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 15:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not remove any "classification". I removed a template. It also wasn't without explanation. I gave a reason in the edit summary: WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. Try reading that guideline, and things will probably clear up. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

text: She is still categorized as a critic of Scientology. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Next time discuss your proposed changes to any article that covers Scientology. You might want to brush up on proper editor behavior on Wikipedia before you proceed with other edits. Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientology classification