Talk:Theory of multiple intelligences

message: I've just archived old material and would like to add a To Do list for this page but do not know how to add that banner yet.Stmullin (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Add '''To Do''' list

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replies: text: By the way, I notice that the way archiving was done on this talk page breaks the functionality of the new section link. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 23:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligence citations bibliography for updating this and other articles 

message: Hi. I think that this article should have a page in Simple Wikipedia.Frogger48 (talk) 02:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT. Huon (talk) 03:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple Wikipedia 

message: I think the reference to p35 of Introducing Neuroeducational Research: Neuroscience, Education and the Brain from Contexts to Practice by Paul Howard-Jones is fairly convincing that this theory belongs firmly to this category. What do others think? --John (talk) 20:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you show that MI is typically characterized in those terms in reliable sources? The psychometric literature is broadly dismissive of Gardner, but few authors are as discourteous as to describe his ideas as pseudoscientific ("armchair theorizing" comes up much more often). Wikipedia categorization should reflect essential and defining features of the categorized articles, and I don't think MI is commonly and consistently referred to as a pseudoscience in reliable sources.--Victor Chmara (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm, that is actually a nice point. Let me think about that, please. --John (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

text:  As Victor wrote, we should find more than just one source (how widely used is the cited source, and how noted is the author?) characterizing multiple intelligences theory in that manner before adding the category tagging. All the standard reference works on human intelligence make at least passing reference to Gardner's ideas. The multiple intelligences theory has perhaps not been as productive as its proponents had hoped, but it's more difficult to show that it's flat wrong in the way that most ideas that are regarded as pseudoscience are. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 19:54, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

text:  In case this discussion is revived, I would point out that Gardner (and Bruner and others) have a legitimate methodological disagreement with what constitutes proper evidence and by association what constitutes science. Psychometrics has no special claim on the definition of science. The fact that psychometricians look down on other approaches is not surprising or useful in this context. Bruner, for example, would claim it is the "data-crunchers" who take the untenable view. An encyclopedia should let that disagreement stand. (This differs from certain *applications* of 'learning styles', which clearly fit the definition of psuedoscience). Michaelacaulfield (talk) 02:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pseudoscience category 

message: I'm uncomfortable with the new fourth paragraph in the lead:
:According to a 2006 study many of Gardner's "intelligences" correlate with the g factor, supporting the idea of a single dominant type of intelligence. According to the study, each of the domains proposed by Gardner involved a blend of g, cognitive abilities other than g, and, in some cases, non-cognitive abilities or personality characteristics.[6] Empirical support for non-g intelligences is lacking or very poor. Despite this the ideas of multiple non-g intelligences are very attractive to many due to the suggestion that everyone can be smart in some way.[7] Cognitive neuroscience research does not support the theory of multiple intelligences.
There are several problems with this lead paragraph:
# It is not a summary of the article, but rather a report of a few select articles, one of which is not available in English.
# The 2006 article is actually part of a peer-reviewed debate between supporters and detractors of the theory, but only the supporters' opinion is mentioned.
# The 2006 article was not a "study". It was a rebuttal to a response by Gardner to an earlier article.
# One person's opinion, not otherwise mentioned in the article (imagining why the theory may be popular), is presented as part of the lead.
# The criticism section of the article is largely negative concerning this theory, but not entirely so. The lead should reflect this. But there is no mention of supporters of the theory in this lead paragraph. A proper summary should report the criticism without implying that there is a consensus opinion.
# Claiming "empirical support is lacking" is inappropriate without mention of Gardner's defense of his research base. Claiming support is poor is a valid criticism accepted by Gardner himself.
I moved the paragraph to the criticism section and reworded some sentences to correct a few of the errors, but my edit was reversed with the explanation "no, the WP:LEAD is a summary of the whole article".
--seberle (talk) 11:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead as a whole has to summarise the article as a whole. There is no evidence for this theory and the lead needs to include this. --John (talk) 09:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

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message: Gardner is quoted by a secondary source saying
--The Master (talk) 00:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a freely accessible version of the secondary source, which Wikipedia usually use.--The Master (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Should this quote be added in [[Howard Gardner]] or / and Theory of multiple intelligences?

message: Is this related to the neurological (MRI) studies and tests done by Adrian Owen and Roger Highfield?  They wrote a paper in Neuron ("Fractionating Human Intelligence", Neuron 76, Dec 20, 2012) that argued for the existence of 12 measurable cognitive skills, and they discuss relationships with the Spearman g factor.  New Scientist had an earlier article about this work "The 12 Pillars of Wisdom", in October 30, 2010.  DonPMitchell (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twelve Pillars of Wisdom 

message: In the second edition of "Frames of Mind" Gardner says that one of the criticisms of this theory has been that some have argued that the intelligences which he writes about may be talents rather than intelligences. This could go in the article when the article talks about criticisms of the theory.Vorbee (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and add this to the article. Explain what the difference is and how Gardner responds. --seberle (talk) 12:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Talents or intelligences

message: Gardner says in the second edition of "Frames of Mind" that he continues to think some type of spiritual intelligence may exist. This could go in the article. Vorbee (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is a section in the article on existential or spiritual intelligence. --seberle (talk) 12:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Spiritual intelligence

message: I happened accross this and thought it might be useful to this article:
However, a quick search does not indicate to me that this model has been used or accepted, or that Denis Postle is notable. I mention it here in case it is useful to other editors. Daask (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denis Postle's model 

message: "Bodily-kinesthetic" and "Physical intelligence" have the same topic. 1) There's an "anchor" on the heading "Physical intelligence" - can't we go around this silly restriction? And 2) "Physical intelligence" has got far more material then the other 9 or so modalities. Why not create a separate article and leave here only the general presentation, the one under "Bodily-kinesthetic"? Since we're talking of smarts :) Or are we just sticking to theory? Arminden (talk) 20:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do we deal twice with physical intel. (and only w/ that)? 

message: the link isn't to a publicly accessible site. Coderiety.py (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  error citation 2 first link 

message: When, at an early stage in the article, it says "According to the theory, an intelligence "modality" must fulfil eight criteria" and then lists them, would it not be better to say that these are the eight pieces of evidence Gardner cites for the theory? Yes, I have read Frames of Mind! YTKJ (talk) 18:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Evidence rather than criteria