Talk:Cherokee society/Archive 2

message: Well, we'll be discussing this topic via a new talkpage.  --Bumpusmills1 08:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion Page Two 

message: It seems the information of this bmills person came from those two books referenced at the bottom of the page.  I've read those books and the authors are legitmate.  So I reverted it back simply because this information was used and cited from those texts. --4.152.96.220 02:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted Back 

message: Additionally, since the information was taken from two legitmate authors writings then how can it be "bunk"? --4.152.96.220 02:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that the above IP is most likely Bumpusmills, since he was using the same IP that resolves to an Atlanta Level3 IP block to vandalize other pages yesterday. He was ultimately blocked by Improv. --BWD 03:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It should also be noted that User:BWD doesn't like anyone who doesn't agree with him. --4.152.96.220 03:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. Thanks. — Rebelguys2 talk 03:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Note I'm just stating a fact.  --4.152.96.220 03:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Please just read the books.  Don't go by what this waya sahoni character says.  The only real way of knowing is too read the books listed.  --4.152.96.220 03:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additionally 

message: The information was taken for the references listed at the bottom of the page.  The authors are both well known Native American authors.  So the info in the article was legitmate.  --4.152.96.220 03:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until you read both those books from cover to cover then I'd suggest leaving it the way this bmills fellow had it.  It is NPOV.  What else can one asks for?  --4.152.96.220 03:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legitmate Native American Authors 

message: Can any of you 100% prove that waya sahoni knows his stuff?  Has he written books on the subject?  The authors of those books listed are both well known Native American authors.  --4.152.96.220 03:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waya Sahoni 

message: When a person puts their trust in someone who claims to be something and then one finds that this person isn't at all what they claimed it damages trust.  Until waya sahoni gains my trust and respect, which is the Native American way, then I'll go by the authors of those two books.  --4.152.96.220 03:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that's it.  What exactly is the "Native American Way"?  Traditional Cherokee Society and beliefs have nothing to do with modern inter-tribal new age white hippie views or beliefs. Waya sahoni 20:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I lived and grew up in the Cherokee culture, I don't need to read books written by non-Cherokee fiction writers which are not authoritative references on our culture -- I know our culture and practice it every day.  Translate the following:  Da-do-na-da Go-hv-i, Sqo-la U-ne-ga Ah-wa-hi-li, U-ka-s-ha-na, ka-ne:i-s-di Go-we-la-i, wa-ya ah-he-na ah-ha-ni.  I have chosen phrases you won't be able to locate on internet Cherokee/Translators -- you have to know the language.  If you can translate them, I'll engage and discuss this with you.  If you cannot, please don't put yourself forward as an authority on our culture ad spread misinformation about us.  Thanks. Waya sahoni 20:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems the anonymous editor desires to truly learn his/her heritage.  Why not offer to assist this editor instead of critizing his/her efforts?  It seems he/she is merely screaming; "I want to learn, please teach me"!  But it also seems that nobody is willing to do that. Of course this is just an observation from the outside looking in. --Bookofsecrets 03:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you really saying he was asking to be taught by repeatedly shouting that he was the only one qualified to write about the subject?  A student is not likely to learn much by repeatedly insulting those from whom he wishes to learn.  -- MediaMangler 04:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "This editor", also known as ,  and various IP proxies, was given ample chance to learn the ropes back in December and January when he joined.  However, his standoffish editing style and trouble with WP:OWN lead him to conflict, despite the efforts of admin  to calm him down.  He left his usual user name, Bumpusmills1, to become "a VANDAL".  I see no reason to give credence to those who evade blocks, violate 3RR regularly, and have wholly committed themselves to vandalizing articles. — Scm83x talk  04:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, you beat me to it. This user is yet another sock puppet of User:4.152.96.220/User:4.152.156.212/User:Bumpusmills1/User:WECoyote. He keeps coming back and ends up stirring up the same mess. This is the second or third ban evasion. --BWD 05:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Scm83x, BWD, & Rebelguys2.  I suggest you all get a life and mind your own business for a change of pace.  --Bookofsecrets 12:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this will fall on deaf ears, but please refrain from personal attacks. These type of personal attacks are a consistent problem with you and is probably the reason you have such a hard time getting along with other wikipedians. --BWD 14:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That goes beyond a personal attack and directly to a threat. All of my contact information is public if you wish to speak with me. Check my user page. Further, I live in Georgia. Perhaps we can meet and discuss this over coffee if you prefer. I don't hide behind anonymous accounts. --BWD 00:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You guys don't know the difference between attacks, threats, and facts.  My statement prior to this one was facts plain and simple.  No I don't want to meet you for coffee.  Why?  I don't trust you.  I'm getting to where I trust very few people in our society. Why? Guys like you aren't helping matters that is for sure. I am Bumpusmills1 and I am from Tennessee.  So does that look like I'm hiding? --Bookofsecrets 00:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trust 

message: I am not trying to cause trouble here.  Folks, if you are as intelligent as you seem to claim, you'll go read those two books.  Until then none of you have a leg to stand on.  You'll just be going by what this waya sahoni tells you.  How do I know he's who he claims too be?  I don't.  And neither do you.  Use your thinking organ and read the books.  Then make your educated assessment.  --4.152.96.220 03:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not trying to cause trouble 

message: I've come to the conclusion that nobody here learned how to read in school.  Or you're afraid to get the books and read them because you're afraid I'm correct.  --4.152.96.220 04:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the 8th time: people here only want you to comply with Wikipedia policy. You need to give justification for edits like the prior author did. Reverting with "read the books" as the edit summary is not justification! Please stop erasing someone else's hard work. Thanks. --BWD 04:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't Read 

message: See!  You have to dabble in everything or nearly everything I place on wikipedia.  And you wonder why I'm acting terrible? --Bookofsecrets 01:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting Terrible, Why? 

message: Was there any harm in adding an article about Cherokee Society to promote and share my heritage?  Was there any harm in using the works of the two authors and citing it at the bottom of the article?  I don't see any harm in any of that, but obviously you people do.  --Bookofsecrets 01:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except you don't know anything about your heritage if you truly are Cherokee.  Based on your explosive temper, impatience, and hostile attitudes, I'm inclined to believe you are of our blood, as you do act like a pissed off Cherokee and I would guess you are Ah-ni Gi-lo-hi by descent.  Give it a rest.  The cure for stupidity is silence (an old Cherokee saying).  Sit back and learn, I am here to reach and teach our people. Hv-wv Waya sahoni 03:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was? 

message: Am I detecting silence?  --Bookofsecrets 01:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detecting Silence