Talk:Carl McIntire

message: I've scrapped a lot of what was added by 3petals because it was almost totally undocumented. The problem is that my replacement sections don't have many citations either. Improved documentation should be a priority for this biography.--John Foxe 20:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentation 

message: I should think that the useful move would be to add documentation to the new material, rather than scrap it--The problem now is that various things that are inaccurate have been restored or introduced, and too much good information is taken out. The inaccuracies in the original were what prompted the attempt to write new and better material in the first place. There is also the question of tone in the original, which here and there lacked the 'neutral' professional style expected of an encyclopedia article, and some of that has been restored as well. So what to do now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 3petals (talk • contribs) 22:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those additional references.  I think if we work on this together, we can improve both the style and documentation. My opinion of McIntire is less favorable than yours but more favorable than most secular commentators so, in that sense, my version has more of a NPOV than yours. Getting the article documented should be a priority.--John Foxe 10:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The changes 

message: Seems like no more of a "footnote" than his daft plan to rebuild Noah's Arc, and is backed by not only the source I listed, but this LA Times article, this Advocate article and at least a half-dozen other offline sources in my possession. The information is verifiable and verified so please stop removing it. Thank you. Otto4711 (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the references. You're right, and I'm wrong. But I think the placement and wording need to be tweaked so that readers don't take this comment too seriously—as if McIntire actually had followers ready to move to northern California in trailers.--John Foxe (talk) 00:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that he didn't have followers ready to move in. I did remove the line about both sides bluffing, as I have seen no source that indicates McIntire was bluffing and the various sources regarding the GLF don't indicate that the announcement was a bluff. There isn't really clear consensus amongst the sources as to how serious the GLF was about the plan but publicly it presented the plan as serious. Otto4711 (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Right again. But we can say with certainty what actually happened. Nothing.--John Foxe (talk) 10:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote 

message: I don't have a problem with a brief (a sentence or two) reference to McIntire's anti-Catholic views; but the material below places undue emphasis on it in the context of McIntire's notable anti-Communism and opposition to new evangelicalism, especially since this material seems intended to make some larger point about the Old Christian Right rather than discuss McIntire per se. I also note that the material below seems excerpted from a few pages of a single book, and sometimes the references are unclear.
:McIntire was also strongly opposed to Roman Catholicism.https://books.google.com/books?id=wxAgETGXRaMC&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=old+christian+right&source=bl&ots=PMmgcagz4Y&sig=adrzqc4bLYh2oMwo8dzRk6ZE0YE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCGoVChMInKSuv-GKyAIVURCSCh2CMAJL#v=onepage&q=old%20christian%20right&f=false He once declared that the "greatest enemy of freedom and liberty that the world has to face today is the Roman Catholic system." Arguing that the Catholic Church was even worse than Communism, McIntire stated that if a choice had to made between the two, "one would be better off in a Communist society, than in a Roman Catholic fascist setup." His efforts to unite fundamentalists against the Catholic Church, however, failed after many rallied around Catholic Senator Joseph McCarthy's crusade against Communism. Though McIntire's efforts to efforts to unite fundamentalists against Catholicism made a brief comeback with the election of the wealthy, Harvard-educated Catholic Senator John F. Kennedy as President in 1960 Presidential election,they wold fall apart once again by the 1964 Presidential election where Republican nominee Barry Goldwater, who was poplar among fundamentalists,picked Catholic William E. Miller as his running-mate. 
:Along with his friend Billy Hargis, McIntire was one of the most influential people in a movement later known as the "Old Christian Right."https://books.google.com/books?id=wxAgETGXRaMC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=old+christian+right&source=bl&ots=PMmgcagz4Y&sig=adrzqc4bLYh2oMwo8dzRk6ZE0YE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCGoVChMInKSuv-GKyAIVURCSCh2CMAJL#v=onepage&q=old%20christian%20right&f=false Both opposed the civil rights movement and argued that desegregation violated the Eighth Commandment by allowing the government to steal from one's property. Both Hargis and McIntire, however, would soon lose influence by failing to capitalize on the fact that most Catholics in America were staunchly anti-communist. With Goldwater's defeat in the 1964 election, the Old Christian Right would begin an irreversible downward spiral.https://books.google.com/books?id=wxAgETGXRaMC&pg=PA176&lpg=PA176&dq=old+christian+right&source=bl&ots=PMmgcagz4Y&sig=adrzqc4bLYh2oMwo8dzRk6ZE0YE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCGoVChMInKSuv-GKyAIVURCSCh2CMAJL#v=onepage&q=old%20christian%20right&f=false However, a New Christian Right which embraced the Catholic Church would eventually form in the late 1970s.
--John Foxe (talk) 13:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Christian Right 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Not one mention of Low Blow Joe in the entire article. Really? OMG.2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:E068:5A2F:92DB:963 (talk) 01:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the Ruotsila biography and you'll see why. John Foxe (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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