Talk:Battle of Saragarhi/Archive 1

message: Ummm ... shouldn't there be a caption to the photo? Was this fellow in the conflict (which is suggested by his appearance in the article) - I expect it is merely a photo of a soldier. Can someone please add an appropriate caption? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 21:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo caption? 

message: It helps us all if reviewers can see who has entered comments in the discussion pages. Just use four tildes (~) at the end of your comment and you will get an automatic name/date/time stamp. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 21:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please sign your comments 

message: Hello everyone, I am attempting to give fresh inputs to this article. --Bhadani 13:57, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think 22 includes Havildar, and the 21 number is the number of men he led (?).--Duk 16:49, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fresh inputs 

message: Am new to wiki. Have changed my original question title to make more specific/reflective of question I asked.(Hope this is OK) 
Thank you again for your article. Your article inspired me to read further on the subject. With anything I think worthwhile, I always check sources, and  that was what lead me to ask about it.
I had hoped to enhance the article by finding the specific link to the UNESCO quote so that others might be able to appreciate and compare the scale of the event. I spent several hours, searching generally, and specifically on the site, but was not successful.
I will read all of the links you have taken the time to give.
Best wishes.
ryangeary 0845, 13 February 2007
===Some useful links===
Great to find you around. I welcome you and hope to see more edits from you. I thank you for your comments above as such comments add to enhance value of wikipedia by citing sources and giving references. Your insight as a new editor is really remarkable to start wiki-ing with a serious topic (or perhaps you have been already wiki-ing) - in any case, welcome friend! I think that perhaps you could not find any reference as the facts appear incredible to many and so people may not try to search sufficiently. I am giving some links, and in case you have a large library nearby, you may try to locate some books on military history to read a little more than what wikipedia tells about this Battle - several books are available on this Battle :)
*http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/personalities/military/sargarhi.html
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/rgt-sikh.htm - it may be noted that the site has good standing , and has also been positively commented upon by the Forbes: 
*http://mod.nic.in/samachar/march01-03/html/nd.htm - this is from a government of India site. Government of India should not be telling  lies! BTW, one may also find several references in British archives.  
*http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/History/1765/Saragarhi.html - BTW, Sainik Samachar (news from the armed forces) is a Government of India Publication, the largest democracy in the world and Government of India will certainly not publish something dubious .
*http://www.mod.nic.in/samachar/nov16-04/body.html - a page from Sainik Samachar
And, still there are many other resources including books and magazine in the printed media too. In case, you are interested in the topic and if you have time and inclination, please try to locate few of them and please try to update this wikipedia page. We certainly require editors like you to make this encyclopedia still better. Regards. --Bhadani 04:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A day shall come, when it shall become a FA if we get more inputs like the one under reference as it shall prompt the value editors of this page to add more value, reliable and pure. --Bhadani 04:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank you

message: Great to find you around. I welcome you and hope to see more edits from you. I thank you for your comments above as such comments add to enhance value of wikipedia by citing sources and giving references. Your insight as a new editor is really remarkable to start wiki-ing with a serious topic (or perhaps you have been already wiki-ing) - in any case, welcome friend! I think that perhaps you could not find any reference as the facts appear incredible to many and so people may not try to search sufficiently. I am giving some links, and in case you have a large library nearby, you may try to locate some books on military history to read a little more than what wikipedia tells about this Battle - several books are available on this Battle :)
*http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/personalities/military/sargarhi.html
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/rgt-sikh.htm - it may be noted that the site has good standing , and has also been positively commented upon by the Forbes: 
*http://mod.nic.in/samachar/march01-03/html/nd.htm - this is from a government of India site. Government of India should not be telling  lies! BTW, one may also find several references in British archives.  
*http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/History/1765/Saragarhi.html - BTW, Sainik Samachar (news from the armed forces) is a Government of India Publication, the largest democracy in the world and Government of India will certainly not publish something dubious .
*http://www.mod.nic.in/samachar/nov16-04/body.html - a page from Sainik Samachar
And, still there are many other resources including books and magazine in the printed media too. In case, you are interested in the topic and if you have time and inclination, please try to locate few of them and please try to update this wikipedia page. We certainly require editors like you to make this encyclopedia still better. Regards. --Bhadani 04:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A day shall come, when it shall become a FA if we get more inputs like the one under reference as it shall prompt the value editors of this page to add more value, reliable and pure. --Bhadani 04:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some useful links

message: The article seems a bit one sided (not exactly Neutral Point of View) but I've refrained from making any changes to this aspect of it.
Redgrittybrick 22:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but your missing the point this is very big in India and the eastern world not western world. Most western media and movies are about western history and events. Most average people in the west hardly know anything about Indian history.--Peter johnson4 00:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Based on the comments above, I feel that we should try to modify the contents to look more encyclopedic. Yes, I agree to the comments - we should remove/ modify certain information. --Bhadani 14:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the NPOV,though it wass truly an act of great courage,the article particulary the Standing ovation section its full of epic and subjective statements:All around were signs of the supreme sacrifice of the Sikh soldiers in Battle lines Every defender of Saragarhi had laid down his life to the last man and to the last bullet and it crearly is biased:When the heroic deeds of these valiant soldiers.So i propose a more objective description--Andres rojas22 18:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There definitely is a lot of hyperbole associated with the article, part of the problem is that the battle does not even get a mention in the online resources of the British army/ battles. ( Which could be due the non "British" troops involved which usually have not got British press coverage for most campaigns). I have seen the standing ovation in British Parliament line on many India military publications ( Bharath Rakshak for instance) that it seems that parts of the article is lifted from some of these publications. Haphar 15:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that someone should try to tone down the language to make the same look more encyclopedic. Despite its absence on the online resources, it must be a remarkable battle as almost all the soldiers got Indian Order of Merit (military) which  was like Victoria Cross for non-British soldiers. --Bhadani (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV?