Talk:Chittagonian language

message: May I propose to write Eastern Nagari script in place of Bengali script as the writing system of Chittagonoan? -Bikram98 17:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That will be entirely incorrect, as Bengali script (sans the other extra characters) are used to write Chittaonian (in fact, written Chittagonian is same as Bengali, the differences seem quite arbitrary). --Ragib 20:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing system 

message: Till date chatgaonian is not recognised as a language. As it is not, please don't create several languages by splitting a single language that you wany. I don't think Wikipedia is a place to divert folk. I you have any official proof then change it to a language. শরদিন্দু ভট্টাচার্য্য (talk) 05:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe the general perception is that Chittagonian is a dialect. Although Ethnologue lists it as a language. May be we can have comprehensive discussion here. Za-ari-masen (talk) 08:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I have added some details from Masica (1991), The Indo-Aryan Languages, which explain both the common perception, and the assessment by linguists. –Austronesier (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks, that should solve the dispute. Za-ari-masen (talk) 09:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just noticed that the Infobox has the entry "Ethnicity: Chittagonians". Judging from the explanations in Ethnologue and Masica (1991), speakers of Chittagonian ethnically identify as Bengali, so "Chittagonian" would maximally denote a regional identiy, but not an ethnicity. What do you think? –Austronesier (talk) 09:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , you are right, Chittagonian or Chatgaia is not an ethnicity, it is more like a Demonym like Parisian, Chicagoan etc. There are such demonyms for almost all the districts in Bangladesh. Za-ari-masen (talk) 10:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

text: The Chittagonian people identify themselves as Chittainga(Chittagonian) and they call the Bengalis 'Boinga' which means the people of Bongo that means Bengali people. If Chittagonians had identified themselves as Bengali then they would never call the Bengalis with a particular name(Boinga) which literally means The Bengalis. LOL 103.148.177.5 (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Chittagong is not a dialect. It is a completely different language. Assamese is seventy percent similar to Bengali, if it is a different language, then Chittaganian is not even thirty percent similar to Bengali, how is it a dialect? 103.148.10.251 (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

text: This talk page is about how to improve the encyclopedic content of this article. The article is called "Chittagonian language" and begins with "Chittagonian (চাটগাঁইয়া Caṭgãia) is an Indo-Aryan language". What is your point? If you want to chat about the sociolinguistic status of Chittagonian in Bangladesh, see WP:NOTFORUM. –Austronesier (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language or Dialect? 

message: I think WP:MOSIS has an exception for Indic scripts in language articles.  Chaipau (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks I wasn't aware of the exception, I reverted such edits of mine. Glennznl (talk) 11:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOSIS 

message: @RicardoSadik, It seems you and i are getting into edit warring, so let's talk. You removed pronunciation (saŋʈgaiyaŋ) from infobox, changed the order on lede and added your original research, i.e. from চাটগাঁইয়া & চিটাইঙ্গা to সিটাইঙ্গা & চাটগাঁইয়া. Please don't add your original research, here on ctg incubator you claimed every Chatgaiya's writing of Chatgaiya is wrong and you are correct. Please stop. I and other editors reverted your edits, restored last good version but you keeps doing it. 
Most common name source mentions for this language is:  ("... which is generally known as Chatgaiyan Buli" or "চট্টগ্রামের আঞ্চলিক ভাষাকে বলা হয় ‘চাটগাঁইয়া বুলি’ from Banglapedia) &  (, ).
Please provide reliable sources for সিটাইঙ্গা. If there is no source, please restore last good version.
(ping @SalamAlayka who also removed সিটাইঙ্গা & others who also reverted RicardoSadik's edits: @Yamaguchi先生, @Glennznl, @Sumanuil) আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no such "Chittagonian Language Academy", it's a facebook page, not an actual academy. Please provide source for "সিটাইঙ্গা". Reliable sources says it's চাটগাঁইয়া & চিটাইঙ্গা. You might be right & if there is reliable sources, i'm ok with something like this. If you can't provide reliable sources, please restore last good version (note that i didn't write that version). Thank you. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 15:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I told you about this in the Wikimedia Incubator. Still, you continue to do  same. Please stop, because Wikipedia has rules and policy. For your information, I repeat that Wikipedia is not a place of original research, the information you add here must be cited from reliable sources, otherwise, there are rules for deletion. It is not at all desirable that you are creating edit war repeatedly. According to the policy, administrator can block a user to creating edit war and breaking 3RR rules. So please do not revert each other's edits without adding reliable sources. Try to contribute according to the rules. Thank you. Al Riaz Uddin (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Most Chatgaiya writes Chatgaiya using Bengali alphabet, it doesn't mean we are saying it's a dialect of Bengali (leave it for linguist). I am discussing about spelling. Reliable sources says it's চাটগাঁইয়া & চিটাইঙ্গা. You keeps removing চিটাইঙ্গা and added সিটাইঙ্গা instead, but no one, even Chatgaiya's doesn't write this word using স. In another discussion, you said everyone is wrong and you're right, do you know that's original research. You can see on the article history that everyone disagreeing with you. Please provide reliable sources for সিটাইঙ্গা and we can add it with other spelling. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 13:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The majority of Chittagonians, and the majority of Indo-Aryan-researching linguists consider it to be a Bengali dialect. If you have any evidence to prove otherwise, please provide them. SalamAlayka (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's controversial, some consider it, some don't. Note that not much research has been done about this language/dialect. I think this should be discussed separately, not in this section. Here i'm just asking about চ / স spelling and if he has source or not. If not last good version should be restored. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Yamaguchi先生, there is no consensus and no RS was provided. It would be great if restore a version before this edit war started. Thank you. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Having a separate ISO code doesn't imply you can change the order in the lead. Please cite source when you make changes. And refrain from making personal attacks. Regards. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 15:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

text: @Saeedmoin you can't apply your original research here per WP:OR, so please stop repeating the same things and provide reliable sources for your claims —MdsShakil (talk) 03:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

text: The rules of wikipedia are not, at all, vague. You cannot write anything without citing proper sources, see WP:OR. The sources must be reliable, see WP:Reliable sources. The rules are very clear. Wikipedia do not judge truth or falseness. If 1% of the reliable sources say something different from the other 99%, then wikipedia will allow you to publish the claim of that 1% sources along with that of the other 99%. You must keep the both. But, YOU HAVE TO CITE FIRST. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 22:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Go to Prothom Alo and look for "চট্টগ্রামে আঞ্চলিকতা টিকে থাকার পেছনে প্রধান যা লক্ষণীয়, তা হলো এখানকার চাটগাঁইয়া ভাষা। চাটগাঁইয়া বা চিটাইঙ্গা ভাষা হলো ইন্দো-আর্য ভাষাগোষ্ঠীর মধ্যে একটি।" আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

text: "BANGLA article" so? Is there any rule that says in English wikipedia reference has to be/must be in English? Prothom Alo says native spelling is চিটাইঙ্গা. Above many editor disagree with about "সিটাইঙ্গা". Please provide reliable sources for "সিটাইঙ্গা" and i will add it. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Who says they don't care and that's not native spelling? I am not going to argue with you anymore as there is no point, you are saying same thing again and again. I will say again, Please provide reliable sources for "সিটাইঙ্গা" and i will add it. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

text: That is what we trying to make you understand so long... Can you please cite a reliable source so that we can understand the "phonological" difference between চিটাইঙ্গা and সিটাইঙ্গা. Please, do not repeat the same "nonsense" as you are since the beginning of this conversation - that is doing nothing but wasting our valuable time. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 02:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

text: PS It is very funny, that you are using this "blog" published a week ago by , a participant of this conversation, for citation of your claim. Seems like a group of "cabals" are trying heart and soul to have what they mean to have. LOL. (: — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 02:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

text: I do have a phonological sense how these eastern Indian dialects sound like. Let us take Sylheti language from your example. Sylheti term for tea sounds like sa, but is written as চা/ꠌꠣ. Similar case is for Chittagonian. If you think otherwise, you have to provide proof citing from professional linguists; you are not a linguist. This is Wikipedia, not your phonology classroom. Provide a reliable citation, otherwise leave this conversation as it is now so that anyone can continue in the future (if he has a citation). — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 14:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

text: I feel sorry if it seemed personal attack to you. However, it is very annoying to shout the exact same thing over and over for obvious reason. If you say we are turning blind, that's probably because there is nothing to see in before. There is no absolute proof of your claim and to some extent YOU are trying to change the "spelling" forcefully, without citation, showing self-proclaimed so-called "phonological" logics; obviously you couldn't show any linguistic proof other than your discussion-page "lectures". I am sorry if it sounded harsh again. Wikipedia is definitely not oppressive; you are unable to fill-up its criteria for inclusion. And here's a disclaimer: I am obviously not going to reply next time if there's the same repeative "phonology" and no citation for your claim (except the self-published one). — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 19:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

text: PS. Repeated Edit-war is not going to work either. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 19:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling 

message: "The Arabic script has historically been used to write this language."
No source has been provided to back this statement. Al Gofran Orin (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source not provided 

message: The Chittagonian people identify themselves as Chittainga(Chittagonian) and they call the Bengalis 'Boinga' which means the people of Bongo that means Bengali people. If Chittagonians had identified themselves as Bengali then they would never call the Bengalis with a particular name(Boinga) which literally means The Bengalis. LOL 103.148.177.5 (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity  

message: Chitaingha or chatgaiya are not bengali culturally or biologically..They are a different ethnic group than bangla speaking bengali.￼ 27.147.224.249 (talk) 04:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  chittagonian a different ethnicity