Talk:Communist Party of Thailand

message: I will start working on a rewrite of this page.  Sources I will be using:
Rituals of National Loyalty (1997) by Katherine Bowie
The Thai Radical and the Communist Party (1983) by Yuangrat Wedel
“Political Oppositions and Regime Change in Thailand” (1996) by Kevin Hewison in Political Oppositions in Industrialising Asia
“The Revolutionary Strategy of the Communist Party of Thailand" (1984) by Kanok Wongtrangan in Armed Communist Movements in Southeast Asia 
“The Tradition of Urban Working Class Struggle in Thailand” (1995) by Ji Ungpakorn 
“History and Policy of the Communist Party of Thailand”  (1978) by Patrice de Beer 
“Radicalism after Communism in Thailand and Indonesia” (1993) by Benedict Anderson 
"An Internal History of the Communist Party of Thailand" (2003) published by Somsak Jeamteerasakul
Anyone else interested, please help with further sources, especially Thai language, as my Thai skills are quite rusty.--Goldsztajn 09:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning Rewrite

message: Not to interfere with Goldzstajn's rewrite, I'll add textpieces here that can be introduced in the main article later:
From "Factors Influencing Relations between the Communist Parties" :
*Prior to the formation of the CPT, the Chinese Communist Party of Thailand [was this the CPC branch in Thailand or a separate party???] had been active amongst ethnically Chinese in Thailand. After the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949, most of the Chinese communists in the country joined the CPT.
*CPT was legal for a brief period from 1946 to 1948.
*Thai Patriotic Front was launched on January 1, 1965.
*Armed struggle began in 1965. Initially, the armed struggle of the party consisted only of a few isolated attacks in the north eastern parts of the country.
*In the Sino-Soviet split, CPT sided with the Communist Party of China. Ideologically, it aligned with Maoism. In 1961 it formulated a policy of armed struggle along the lines of the Chinese experience, which was brought public in 1964. The party condemned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union as revisionist and social imperialist. As of 1966, relations with the Communist Party of Vietnam began to deteriorate, as CPT criticized CPV for to taking a clear pro-China stance.
*The increasing repression after the military coup made it possible for the CPT to expand its membership base. Many of the new recruits were students, workers, intellectuals, farmers or cadres of the Socialist Party of Thailand. A large section of the newly recruited members received political and military training in CPT camps in Laos. Instructors were Thai, Laotian and Vietnamese.
*By 1977, its estimated that the party had around 6-8000 armed fighters, and about a million sympathizers. Half of the provinces were declared 'communist infiltrated' by official Thai sources at the time.
*Following the expansion of its membership, CPT began to stretch out a hand to wider sections of Thai society for forming a broad democratic front. On September 28, 1977 the Committee for Coordinating
Patriotic and Democratic Forces was founded.
--Soman 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: While the US Air Force had a number of air bases in Thailand, it had only one bomber base, at the Utapao RTN Air Base. It was penetrated by saboteurs only once, and they failed to do any significant damage. While the source cited does support the statement, "PLAT forces intensified their operations, including attacks on US Air Force bomber bases in the country," the statement is correct only if the word "bomber" is deleted, or changed to "air." But I'm not gonna mess with it any more. Pawyilee (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bomber bases" 

message: Relevance of section 1930s – 1940s background and See also United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship have been disputed as irrelevant or tenuous. I'll admit to the latter and will try to establish relevance. I'll also admit that the section needs a substantial re-write to make it shorter and more to the point. Write now this is just a notice that I'm working on it. I'm in a remote village in Thailand with a slow connection via cell phone, and it will take me a while to get my $#!† together. For starters, I have no access to Goldsztajn's sources, but judging strictly by the titles, there may not be much in them about the 20's and 30's, and that may be why the statement communist activism in the country began as early as 1927 is unsourced, even though factual. I have read Win Lyovarin#Novels Democracy, Shaken and Stirred, which covers the same period as CPT activity in Thailand, which notes extrajudicial killings of political opponents as "communist" to such an extent that in today's Thai, it means someone who needs killing and is even applied to U-No-Who. The book is reviewed here. Note Ho Chi Minh  was educated in Paris at the same time as Pibun and Pridi, then stayed in the Thai village of Nachok 1929 - 31. The tenuous link to the UDD is their use of Red and, since their victory in the last election, changing the English-language name of the party to include "Front." A firmer link could be established if only I had a list of surviving CPT members. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the material repasted to the article has to do with the Communist Party, nor are there any WP:RS which are pertinent to the Communist Party. (This is why I deleted it in the first place).  The much more important context to the emergence of the CPS/CPT at this time is the Chinese diaspora communities in South East Asia and the Nanyang Party. Siam's elite in the 1920s and 1930s of course accused anybody oppposed to the absolute monarchy as being a commmunist (the Anti-Commuist Act effectively gave carte blanche for repression to any kind of democratic/social reform). The fact that Pridi and Pibun were in Paris in the 1930s only tells one something about France and its colonial relations, nothing about communism.  People who jointly studied in Moscow in the 30s would be much more pertinent here.--Goldsztajn (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance disputed 

message: I'm a bit concerned over the logo added, :File:Communist Party of Thailand.jpg. The bilingual design appears to be from a supposed later incarnation or a design created for modern social media. Would the CPT have used English in their graphics? The source is an online forum (pantip), without any attribution of source it appears? --Soman (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I have never seen any evidence suggesting the CPT ever had an official logo, let alone one that is distinct from the hammer and sickle used in their flag. Furthermore, knowledge of english in Thailand even today is fairly low, it would have been practically non-existant in pre-90s Thailand. I have also never seen any evidence of a new CPT being created after the mysterious disappearance of the CPT in the 80s/90s. Unless someone is trying to refound the CPT right now, I would suggest this logo is completely fictional! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo is from a rejected application in 2018. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, it clearly does not belong in this article, or even on wikipedia at all for that matter. This also means the uploader uploaded someone elses work without permission! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The design doesn't really have original elements, so it might not be original enough to be copyrightable. I've adjust the tagging on Commons as such, but maybe a deletion discussion could take place. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo?