Talk:List of countries by date of transition to a republican system of government

message: If anyone wishes to expand this list to include non-European countries, please feel free to do so. Don't forget to change the title though. Kpalion 23:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've read, shouldn't the USA be on this list?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleMatchGirl (talk • contribs) 23:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Seems a bit misleading to me. It looks as if Sweden or the UK (constitutional monarchies that mostly serve as folklore) were not even where  Switzerland was by 1684 or Moldova by 1940. Maybe a timeline with several types of events (rather than merely the republic) would be more useful. Rl 08:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's not stressed enough in the article itself, but the list is based on the premise that a republic is a non-monarchy. In other words, the basic difference between the two is that the head of state in a monarchy is called "His/Her Majesty" (or something similar) and the head of state in a republic is called "Mr/Ms President" (or something of that sort). This distinction has nothing to do with democracy, civil rights etc. There are democratic monarchies, like all of those in Europe, and there are totalitarian republics like North Korea. So if anything is misleading, it's the political façades, not the article itself. And I think it's way better than the List of countries by date of nationhood which is really utter crap. Kpalion 18:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The lead says clearly that it only takes into account the last transition to a republic. So in the case of countries like France, which became republics more than once, only the last such transition is listed here. And the list only includes countries which are republics today, so countries like the UK, which were repbulics at some point in history, but are monarchies now, are omitted. — Kpalion(talk) 16:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-European countries 

message: A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries.  Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Discussion

message: Based on the emboldended first line of the article, San Marino doesn't seem to qualify (per the third graph in the first section, San Marino was "a republic from its' inception.'  
Similarly, on the same criteria as the inclusion of any Commonwealth realms, should not the USA circa 21 June 1788 be added?
I'll make these changes if there are no objections at 0300 UTC 9 August (or later).  Sahrin (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True on the case for San Marino, it was founded as a republic. As for the USA, no since it was never a 'realm', but from colony directly to a republican nation on independence. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 08:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the article:  "by date of their last transition from a monarchy to a republican form of government" - "realm" was my usage, trying to sound snoody and intelligent without cause.  That said; there's no doubt that as a colony the US was a colony of the British Empire, and transitioned directly (...with some bumbling about) to a Republican form.  Per my original comment, I've made the changes - and I think the article is accurate as is.  Sahrin (talk) 02:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case for the USA, then every other colony to an independent republic should then be included from those in a monarchical system? Not just from the UK, but also from the Netherlands, etc. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 09:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with that.  I'd say that is the spirit of the article; regardless of the legal mechanics of the transition - the purpose is to denote nations which transferred from monarchial government to Republican.  Sahrin (talk) 03:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: San Marino Contradiction/add the USA

message: What about including a list of countries which were once Republics but are now monarchies, such as the Spanish Republic, the Dutch Republic or the English Republic? --Philip Stevens (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that these should be simply included in the list, with a note explaining that the country has since transitioned from the Republican system to some other system. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the countries I mentioned above to the list. I put them in italics to distinguish them from current republics. --Philip Stevens (talk) 09:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Makes your heart bleed to see that dark time in British history but they rightly should be included. I was thinking maybe "former republics" could have their own colour and be noted in the introduction in the way they are split from after ww1/ww2 so the distinction is even clearer. Some people are lazy and do no always read the full notes section within a table. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the colour of the former republics to yellow and added a note in the opening, they should stand out a bit more now. And yes, the republic was the most tyrannical government in British history. --Philip Stevens (talk) 15:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of former republics 

message: *San Marino declared its independence from Rome.
*The Netherlands won its independence from Spain.
*Switzerland was declared independent via the Treaty of Westphalia.
*Argentina won its independence from Spain.
*Chile won its independence from Spain.
*Korea was liberated from Japan.
*Indonesia declared its independence from the Netherlands.
*Burma declared its independence from Britain.
*Israel was declared independent via mandate from the United Nations.
*Cyprus declared its independence from Britain.
*Singapore was declared independent via expulsion from Malaysia.
So...where exactly is the United States? AuburnAttack21 (talk) 20:47, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: A quick question

message: If a new republican state gains independence from another republic, should it be included in this list or not? Palestine is included in the list, while South Sudan and Timor Este aren't.93.49.39.99 (talk) 22:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Should Poland's Regency Council really be treated as a monarchy? Poland's date of republican inception should really be in 1917, not in 1918 just because a Field Marshal took power from a loose group of politicians and Clergy who weren't a royal family anyway.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolutionizeSeven (talk • contribs) 15:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland 

message: For a second I thought this was a very exceptional special English word but seems like a typo. Someone should fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:7C0:409:8D1C:E121:86D1:EA37:2BD6 (talk) 21:16, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switzerlindependent? 

message: The Republic of the Congo gained independence on 15 August 1960 as a republic but belonged to a republic (France) before. Where to put it? Same for other countries like Algeria, Morocco, ... --androl (talk) 22:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republic of the Congo 

message: What do the background colours and italics mean?
94.173.210.180 (talk) 14:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no legend  

message: Kuwait was a republic for a short amount of time when it was a puppet state of Iraq. Hikerblunt01 (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuwait 

message: Many non-Republics on this list, such as Russia being listed as a Republic because of Lenin's coup.  There wasn't an actual republic until the collapse of the Soviet Union as the USSR was a single-party state. 8.27.218.220 (talk) 06:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List is innacurate. 

message: It looks like there's an edit war in progress between  and an anon re mention of unrecognized states in the article. I've placed a notice about this discussion here on the anon's talk page. I'm mentioning this here because I think that the issue or unrecognized states goes beyond the specifics at issue there. Open questions are whether or not this article should mention unrecognized states and, if so, how prospective mentionees should be filtered for inclusion and whether/how they should be differentiated from recognized states go beyond the specifics currently at issue, and that ought to be discussed here. 
I note that one other example of an unrecognized state currently mentioned in the article is the First Philippine Republic; there may be others. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Tibet for partial accuracy because the polity was not recognized by all countries but remained part of China. The ROC had Outer Mongolia and Tibet as monarchies but that became republics between 1924 and 1951 though Outer Mongolia was recognized by the ROC in 1946 under Soviet pressure and Tibet was absorbed into the PRC. I will temporarily re-add the Tibet section for now and add a note until this is resolved. —142.112.224.106 (talk)<  — Preceding undated comment added 14:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized states 

message: According to the Colonial government in the Thirteen Colonies article, the 13 british colonies in America which became independent from Britain as a result of the Treaty of Paris (1783) were in transition from colonial status during their revolution, and some of them were not able to adopt constitutions until 1777. During the revolution and for a time after it ended, they were in a union under articles of Confederation which (quoting that WP article) "provided clearly written rules for how the states' 'league of friendship' (Perpetual Union) would be organized." Power rested with those state governments until the U.S. constitution became effective on March 4, 1789. It seems to me that the U.S. became a republic de jure when the current constitution became effective, and perhaps de facto when republican constitutions became effective in all 13 of the states in that union. I'm no historian, though; I can't cite sources supporting that offhand and havn't been able to nail down citeable supporting sources by searching online.
My dates disagree with the date currently asserted without support in this article. Discussion? Sources? Wtmitchell (updated) Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA