Talk:Georg von Trapp

message: In the “Life between the world wars” section, there is a paragraph which begins with “As Maria relates in her book…”.  Which Maria — his daughter or his second wife?  I am sure it wouldn't hurt to identify the book. — Bob Blaylock 06:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: &ldquo;As Maria relates in her book&hellip;&rdquo;

message: In the Wikipedia article on Maria von Trapp, there is a link to National Archives material on the Trapp Family.  According to those documents, Rupert was born in 1911, and the Captain and Agathe Whitehead, his parents, were married to each other in 1912.  Better late than never, I guess.
The National Archives material also includes copies of Maria's he was in amazing man of curage and dignety  declaration of intention and petition for naturalization.  Both documents state that the Captain and Maria were married to each other on November 26, 1927, and that their first child, Rosmarie, was born on February 8, 1928.  Hey, the Captain is improving.  The second time around, he managed to get married BEFORE the child was born.  In the December 19, 1938, issue of Time magazine, there is an article on the Trapp Family Choir which claims that Maria is the mother of all of the children.
Just how many versions of the story has the family told over the years?
Today, the official line from the Trapp Family is that Rosmarie was born in 1929, and that the 
naturalization documents must be mistaken.  I doubt it.  The documents were executed under oath, at a time when few people had heard of the family.  Mothers usually manage to get the birthdates of their children correct.
The declaration of intention was signed in 1944.  As Maria relates in her book, around that time, she got into trouble with the War Production Board.  She was building her music camp, was cited for violating wartime restrictions, and was threatened with fine and imprisonment.  She managed to resolve that problem.  I suspect, however, that she was warned that she would have to be absolutely truthful in the naturalization process to avoid any further difficulty with the authority.  Thus, when filling out the naturalization documents, she gave Rosmarie's true birth date.
If Maria was pregnant when she married the captain, the story loses a lot of its "family values" appeal, and is premised on a fraud.
130.13.2.104 (talk) 04:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Real "Real Story" of the Trapp Family

message: There is almost nothing about his whereabouts after Anschluss.
Where did he die?
--Error 02:02, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He went to America with his family and died in Stowe, Vermont. --Dhartung | Talk 06:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd agree that this page needs more on the information on the later events of his life - where could I find that information?
Yoda921 12:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: After Anschluss

message: The "Notes" section goes into some good historical detail about titles of nobility after WWI.  This is relevant not only to von Trapp but also to many other notable people we have articles about.  It ought to appear in a relevant Wikipedia article, with a link from here. JackofOz 03:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles etc

message: Is there no information on the births/deaths of his children? The page for the Sound of Music says that the names of the children were changed--what were their real names? Morhange 23:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad to see that at least some info about his children was added. Morhange 00:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Children 

message: Unfortunately, there are many wrong details concerning Austrian noble titles and military ranks in this article. I've corrected them several times in the past, but they keep re-appearing again. Most notably, these are: (1) "Kommandant". This was not an Austrian military rank; instead Trapp's naval position is correctly called "k.u.k. Linienschiffsleutnant". (2) The link to the Military Order of Maria Theresa keeps disappearing. 
(3) The section on Trapp's title of nobility (begining with "For his wartime service (...)" is greatly misleading, primarily because the structure of the nobility in Austria-Hungary was entirely different from that in the United Kingdom. Applying terms such as "knight (Sir)" or "baronet" is not appropriate in this context, and a statement like "The introduction of 'von' changes the title from a knighthood to a hereditary baronetcy" is simply wrong. ViennaUK 09:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your excellent and helpful comments. What I don't understand is how he is called "Baron von Trapp". Can anyone explain that? 72.86.42.38 (talk) 17:22, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  My personal theory is that "Baron" is a title that was chosen by the authors of "The Sound of Music" because it is more easily understood by the audience than "Ritter". Also keep in mind that the makers of "The Sound of Music" were neither Austrians, historians nor German linguists. What mattered to them was to put catchy tunes to a nice story, not to educate the audience on facts. ViennaUK (talk) 00:10, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trapp's titles - many wrong details  

message: Yet, Maria von Trapp's declaration of intention and petition for naturalization states that Rosmarie's birth occurred the year before, in 1928.
When is Rosmarie born ? In 1928 or in 1929 ? What's true ? 
I know, that she is still alive and live in Vermont (USA). 
--AndreaMimi (talk) 17:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to point out that Rosmarie Erentrudis von Trapp was born in 1928, not 1928, to wit: Rosmarie von Trapp (8 February 1929) (http://www.archives.gov/global-pages/larger-image.html?i=/publications/prologue/2005/winter/images/petition-p1-l.jpg&c=/publications/prologue/2005/winter/images/petition-p1.caption.html). In Maria's Declaration of Intention of 1 January 1944 and her Petition for Naturalization signed on 26 May 1948, she stated under oath that she was married on 26 November 1927, and that Rosmarie was born on 8 February 1928 (see http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/winter/images/trapp-intention-l.jpg). However, Maria used the year 1929 in her book and the year 1929 is used at the family website. Photos from Maria and Georg's wedding (3rd photo page between pages 96 and 97 in "Maria" by Maria von Trapp) show no evidence of a late-term pregnancy at that date, giving credence to the 1929 date, as does the fact that when the family arrived at the United States on 27 September 1939, the ship manifest lists Rosmarie as 10 years old. Quis separabit? 15:19, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Ah, I put the mother Maria's death date in for both her and her daughter; I'll remove her daughter's. Werner died 11 October 2007 in Waitsfield, Vermont. Otherwise our data agrees. - Nunh-huh 12:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: No, sorry, I don't have any more details on her death. Find-A-Grave seems to think she died in Minnesota on Christmas 1994 and is buried at the Trapp Familyl Lodge, but I too have read elsewhere that she died in Austria where her husband was a professor of Diplomatic Studies. - Nunh-huh 13:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rosmarie's Birthday

message: I put the dates to the children on this page in the form like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_the_United_Kingdom#Marriage - in a table. 
But it don't look very well.
The dates are correct. You can put a link to Agathe, Maria Franziska and Werner, because there are some informations about them. 
Please help me to find a correct form of the table. 
Now I put the links in a correct form. It looks better. 
Everything is fine. I can help myself. ;) --AndreaMimi (talk) 12:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you help me ? 

message: Look here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=641570
But one point is not correct: Johanna died on the 25th November on the affects of a stroke in Vienna, not on the 25th of December like in the link. 
Probably somebody can correct it on this page. 
I wish you a nice weekend. --AndreaMimi (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johannas Grave 

message: Two questions please.
#Did the von Trapps lose their real property, that is their estate, when they left Austria and, if so,
#Did they get it back after the war? Avalon (talk) 04:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Two questions

message: She was born 1890 and died on the 3rd September 1922. But I don't know her birthday. And I can't find anything in the internet about this. 
Can somebody help me ? --AndreaMimi (talk) 21:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agathe Whitehead von Trapp 

message: The section "Economic disaster and new career" begins "In 1935, Georg's money, inherited from his first wife, Agathe, was safely invested in a bank, the famous Lloyd's of London." As a moment's glance at the article about Lloyd's of London will show, it is an insurance market and entirely unconnected to Lloyds Bank. Someone should check exactly which institution von Trapp put his money into.--GagHalfrunt (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd's of London 

message: The discussion regarding Rosmarie's date of birth, and the effort to impeach the written record provided by the declaration of intention and the petition for naturalization are obviously intended to promote the POV that Maria was not pregnant at the time she married the captain.  The reasons on why the documents might be inaccurate are pure speculation.  One of the cornerstones of Wikipedia is verifiability, and the manner in which a person's date of birth is verified is by producing an official record, made at or near the time of the event.  Likewise, the written statements of the mother, made under oath, on two separate occasions, at times when relatively few people knew of the family, and in documents that are now more than 60 years old, and containing admissions against interest, constitute acceptable evidence as well.  On the other hand, a person cannot credibly testify as to the date or place of his own birth, and statements by secretaries in Vermont, who have an obvious interest in promoting a point of view, are not reliable either.  Vague references to what Catholic priests do or permit in a given situation shed no light on the question either, particularly since there is no evidence of any uniform standard to all priests conform in such matters.  What a person was or was not wearing at the time of her wedding has no bearing on whether or not she was pregnant at the time.  John Paul Parks (talk) 06:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantasies and anti-Nazi fairy stories have arisen around this man and his family. For instance there is nothing in the Bundesarchive to show that he was summoned for service in the German navy. He would have been almost 60 years old. How ridiculous. What verifiable evidence is there that this family were "persecuted" by the nazis after Anschluss any more than any other family in Austria? These are just fictions. Like Hollywood. 86.154.104.146 (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Statements Need Verification

message: When two sources conflict, its best not to flip a coin and choose one over the other. We have to report both and show the strength and weaknesses based on what third parties say, or what is written in the original document. We shouldn't guess on intentions, just report. The article by NARA doesn't mention the conflict, it just gives the correct information. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  When two sources conflict 

message: However, this is likely to have been due to a typographical error on the first document, and a copy of the same error on the second. Daughter Eleonore's name is misspelled as "Eleonora" on both documents, making it likely that the second was copied from the first without the error in Rosemarie's birth date being caught.  Further confirmation of the 1929 birth date for Rosemarie can be found in several places.  The passenger manifest of the ship on which the von Trapp family emigrated to America in September 1939 gives Rosemarie's age as ten years.  Furthermore, photos of Maria and Georg's wedding in 1927 show Maria in full white bridal dress, wearing a veil along with the traditional wreath of myrtle, a symbol of virginity.  Had she been seven months pregnant, she would not have been allowed by the presiding Catholic priest to wear white, the veil, or the myrtle wreath.
Rosemarie herself said in an interview, she was 9, when she lived austria and 18, when her father died in 1947. 
--AndreaMimi (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  These need to be sourced 

message: The statement "In May 1938, the family was "offered", meaning ordered, to perform at Berchtesgaden[citation needed], Adolf Hitler's private retreat on the German side of the Austrian Alps." needs further clarification.
According to Maria's 1949 book, the family was invited to sing for Hitler's birthday.  This is doubtless an allusion to Hitler's 50th birthday celebration, which was a nationwide event, and would not necessarily have been limited to the von Trapp family.  Hitler turned 50 on April 20, 1939, thus the May 1938 date would not be correct.  If the family was invited to a private audience at Berchtesgaden, we need verification for that.
The three events described in Maria's 1949 book, that supposedly triggered the need to leave Austria, are (1) the invitation to the captain to join the Navy, (2) the offer to Rupert to work in the hospital, and (3) the invitation to sing at Hitler's 50th birthday celebration.  That refusal to participate in these events would have necessitated a departure from the country seems doubtful:
(1)  In 1938, the captain was 58-years old.  He had not operated a submarine since 1918, the end of the First World War.  I doubt that the Germans were so desperate, in 1938, that they would have gone to any great effort to include him their Navy.  In the 1949 book, we are told that the captain first mentioned the invitation while he and Maria were in Munich (they had gone there to consult a specialist about Maria's pregnancy).  The captain pulled the letter out of his pocket and began to read it.  If it came to him in the mail at home, and he did not read it until he was in Munich, then obviously, he had it several days before he even read it.  On the other hand, since he was in Germany at the time he first read it, it is possible that he was reading material that he picked up at the Navy recruiting station in Munich.  Maria's writing style is vague and fuzzy on dates, which probably suits her purpose in many cases.
(2)  Rupert had just graduated from medical school, and he was given an offer to work in a Vienna hospital.  He declined, on the ground that procedures were being performed to which he could not assent, either as a Catholic or as a man.  Up until 1938, however, Vienna was independent of Germany, so if Rupert, trained in Austria, knew anything about such procedures, they had to have been going on in Austria prior to the German annexation, and thus were not entirely attributable to the German Nazis.  And if they were going on, Rupert doubtless would have been exposed to them during the course of his medical training.  Further, Rupert was a newly-minted doctor, with no experience and no particular expertise.  His refusal to work for the Nazis probably did them no harm.
(3)  As noted above, Hitler's 50th birthday celebration was a nationwide event, and it occurred in April 1939, not in May 1938.  There were probably many activities going on throughout the country.  The presence or absence of one singing group, more or less, likely would not have made any earth-shaking difference.
John Paul Parks (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So at the outset of WW2,  plenty of veterans of German U-boat navy from WW1 still alive to give advice,   not some veteran of inconsequential Austria-Hungary Navy.Eregli bob (talk) 11:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Further Sourcing Needed

message: * https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/suche.aspx - look here. And search for Johanna Trapp-Winter. 
Johanna was buried in Vienna on the 6 December 1994. She died on the 25 November 1994 at the affects of a stroke. 
Another source: William Anderson/David Wade, The World of the Trapp Family, 1998 
http://www.vermonthomesandtowns.com/17.htm . There is also known, that Johanna died in Austria. 
--AndreaMimi (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Johanna's Grave

message: http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/singerlkw1089/Canada%202007/?action=view¤t=Canada001.flv - there speaks Rosmarie herself. And said, that she was 9 when she left Austria in 1938 and was 18 in 1947 when her father died. 
--AndreaMimi (talk) 22:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A stepmother is a mother, why do you find that a contradiction? She never uses the word "biological mother". --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mr. Norton, please read the article, "Music:  Family Choir," published in the December 19, 1938, issue of TIME magazine.  The article begins as follows:
Twenty years ago a patch-mustached Austrian nobleman, Captain Georg von Trapp, commander of an Austrian submarine, came home from the War to his family castle near Salzburg. There he and his buxom wife, Frau Maria Augusta, settled down to the serious business of raising their family. The family flourished. By 1921 it included seven small von Trapps; and there were more to come.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,772134,00.html#ixzz1T4yWFAEM
According to this, Maria married him before the First World War.  How many tales has the woman told?John Paul Parks (talk) 02:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Source about Rosmarie von Trapp 

message: "In Maria's 1949 book, "The Story of the Trapp Family Singers", she describes informing her step-children of her first pregnancy in the summer. Therefore it is most likely that Maria made an inadvertent error on the earlier papers." - yes, that's true. Also in "Vom Kloster zum Welterfolg" (German Book, 1949). But it's not clear, if Maria Augusta means summer 1927 or summer 1928 in this case. 
--AndreaMimi (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maria Augustas first pregnancy 

message: This is the biography of a real person. I think it's entirely inappropriate to write it as a comparison to the semi-fictional character. Numerous paragraphs highlight differences between this subject and the movie/musical. But in reality, there was a book, plays, and movies - so exactly which one should we make the comparison? Instead, we should simply stick with the biographical facts, remove references to books, plays, and film, and move any useful comparisons between them to those articles. In other words, let the books, plays, and film articles explain why they're different from the biography and not the other way around. Rklawton (talk) 21:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: This source says the subject's name was Georg Johannes von Trapp and not Ludwig. Why are we using Ludwig? Should we change it? Rklawton (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should change it, yes. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I've reverted your change for now, because it doesn't make any sense to have the title one way and the text another way. We have a published reliable source from the family giving "Johannes" as his middle name -- we need something at least that good, that we're sure wasn't sourced from the Wikipedia article, to replace it. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we get a consensus here? Per the Toronto Star obituary for Agathe Joanna Erwina Gobertina von Trapp: "She was the oldest daughter of Georg Ludwig Ritter von Trapp, an Austrian Navy U-boat commander in World War I who lost his family fortune in the Great Depression." –Skywatcher68 (talk) 20:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This gives his name as Georg Johannes Ludwig von Trapp. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 20:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Georg Ludwig von Trapp

message: There were a number of edits made on Nov 11. The one about Hedwig was clearly incorrect and I reverted it. Hedwig was not male, did not live in Indiana, did not die in 2012 and was not the father of the person who edited that entry as that person stated. Can someone keep an eye on this?? I was not able to check the other edits made that day as I am not an expert in the subject.Kgilbert78 (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits of Nov 11 Need to Be Checked

message: Johannes was interviewed in April 2012 so could not have died in 1999.  Removing indication. Gawul00 (talk) 04:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless he was interviewed by John Edward.  :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Johannes not deceased

message: Every time I look at the image of the U boat I'm guessing which one is von Trapp. SlightSmile 01:01, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which one is von Trapp? 

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message: Dear friends, I feel it is my duty to point out that submarine commander von Trapp's first names are not "Georg Johannes" but "Georg Ludwig". A Georg Johannes/Johannes Georg does exist in the family, but is one of the submarine commander's sons. If you are in doubt, please do consult German language sources. For reasons unknown to me, the English-speaking internet has renamed the submarine commander "Georg Johannes". Best wishes, Cyan22 (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trapp's first names 

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message: (1) I recommend that users editing aspects of Trapp's titles familiarize themselves with Austrian nobility beforehand to gain some insights into the subject, particularly with regard to the difference between Ritter and Freiherr/Baron.
(2) In 1918, Austria-Hungary ceased to exist, the last Austro-Hungarian monarch (Karl I.) abdicated and the empire fell apart. The bulk of the empire's German-speaking areas became the Republic of Austria, which in 1919 abolished the Austro-Hungarian nobility and banned the use of all titles of nobility by Austrian citizens (much as the US Constitution does in the case of US citizens). As an Austrian citizen after 1919, Trapp's legal name would have been Georg Trapp (like the legal name of the former emperor would have been Karl Habsburg). This was enforced by the public authorities of the Republic. In social situations, however, it was still common to address members of the abolished Austro-Hungarian nobility in the manner as before 1919 because the "republican manner" was often felt to come across as impolite.
(3) Had Trapp received his appointment to the Military Order of Maria Theresa before the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, he would have qualified for the title of "Freiherr" (baron) in the Austrian nobility as specified in the Statutes of the Military Order of Maria Theresa of 1895. However, Trapp's nomination for the Order was not processed until after the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Shortly before his abdication, the last Austro-Hungarian monarch delegated to the Chapter of the Military Order of Maria Theresa the power to process nominations for awards relating to acts of bravery during World War I. The Chapter continued its work until 1931, when it decided that further awards would not be made. Due to the legal situation in the Republic of Austria after 1919 (as outlined above), ex-Austro-Hungarian officers who received the Order between 1919 and 1931 (like Trapp, who was admitted to the Order in 1924) did not receive further titles of nobility in Austria. It is possible, however, that he may have been addressed as "Freiherr/Baron" socially by those who had contact with him. ViennaUK (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History lesson part 1: nobility 

message: The article lists the following as Trapp's honours:
* Austro-Hungarian Empire’s Knight's Cross 
*Baron of the Military Order of Maria Theresa 
*Knight of the Order of Leopold
*Military Merit Cross 
*1898 Jubilee Medal
*1908 Jubilee Cross
*War Medal 1914–1918 with swords
*Long Service Cross (18 years)
*Iron Cross First Class (German Empire)
There are fundamental mistakes in this list: There is no honour called Austro-Hungarian Empire’s Knight's Cross, and equally no honour called Baron of the Military Order of Maria Theresa. What Trapp received was the Knight's Cross of the Austro-Hungarian Empire's Military Order of Maria Theresa, and even this was only granted to him by the Chapter of the Military Order of Maria Theresa in 1924, six years after the abdication of the last Austro-Hungarian monarch/formation of the Republic of Austria and the abolition of all titles of nobility within the Republic of Austria. 
ViennaUK (talk) 23:31, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History lesson part 2: orders, decorations and medals 

message: I recommend that users editing aspects of Trapp's titles consult not only English-speaking web pages  but also German-speaking ones. A comparison of the two groups suggests that English-speaking web pages on the Trapp Family are often influenced by the "Sound of Music" plot and not as historically accurate as would be desirable. ViennaUK (talk) 00:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History lesson part 3: online sources on Trapp

message: My great-aunt wrote several times a week to her twin sister, my grandmother, for years. Von Trapp is referred to in a couple of the undated letters written in the 1930s: “Edna […] has had an interesting visitor who she brought to visit us. He is Baron von Trapp, a German Nazi. He seemed perfectly sympathetic and open.” My great-aunt, who was French, uses the word “sympathetic” in a slightly different way from the English.
Some time later she writes: “Baron von Trapp is here again. This time he has with him 14 young German gymnasts. They put on a performance in the Free Church Hall (Welwyn Garden City). It was pretty amazing, when they had finished they sat round a big table with a young Englishman and an interpreter. There then was a session of the Englishman asking questions about religion mostly, but also a bit political. They seemed to give sensible answers. Then it was thrown open to the public to ask questions. Jack […] started asking questions in a very aggressive manner. I am no Nazi, but I did feel a little embarrassed. K […] asked the same kind of questions about what they thought of the ‘revolution’. Baron von Trapp answered quite calmly, and finally the Church minister brought things to a close. They sang a few songs…
The von Trapps stayed at the Hughes and left this morning.”
Is there any other information about this period of his life? Padres Hana (talk) 20:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1930s 

message: This section is confusing. At first, I thought it was talking about him leaving Austria after WWI, which has no relation to the movie events of 20 some years later. But after finishing the article, it sounds like this is talking about leaving Austria around WWII. This should be clarified in the section and maybe the section needs to be moved to later in the article instead of placed earlier in the article so it sounds like this happened earlier in his life. 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian Citizenship section 

message: Georg Trapp's full name, as per his birth register entry (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899X-PWZB?i=128&cc=2040054&cat=674373) was: Georg Johannes August Eduard Conrad Carl Trapp. This is also correctly stated in "Notes on the Trapp Family in Austria - From Maria's grandparents to summer 1939" (Norderstedt: BoD, 2023), p. 119. 2003:EC:9735:3209:607D:45FC:C32B:13EF (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georg's name 

message: Bulgarian nationality was added to the infobox in April, but no reference was added then and it wasn't (and isn't) mentioned in the article text.. I'm not that familiar with the subject. Did he hold Bulgarian nationality at some point, or is this an error? Thanks. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgarian nationality? 

message: Trapp, as it currently sits in the article, or von Trapp, which appears to be much more common? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname