Talk:Ice hockey

message: ... and once again, the article's getting bloated with all manner of tangential stuff, and is approaching 150 kilobytes.  Folks, the object isn't to write a scholarly book on ice hockey; there are plenty of those, many of them cited.  It's to write a thorough encyclopedia entry.  WP:UNDUE enjoins us to consider the quantity of the text, and leave out what the article doesn't need.  I'll start wielding the scalpel -- again -- but no one should be adding stuff to the article just because there hasn't been anything added in a day or three.   Ravenswing      13:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fighting the overbloat 

message: It appears this entry dated June 25, 2020 in the Canadian Encyclopedia (online version) regarding the origin of ice hockey is already out of date, if not outright biased and wrong. 
It might be best to avoid using it a source when dealing with ice hockey's origins until it is updated again:
"In 2008, the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) officially declared that the first game of organized ice hockey was played in Montreal in 1875. Many also consider ice hockey’s first rules to have been published by the Montreal Gazette in 1877. However, research reveals that organized ice hockey/bandy games were first played on skates in England and that the earliest rules were also published in England. Canada made important contributions to the game from the 1870s on. By the early 20th century, "Canadian rules" had reshaped the sport."
"...and that the earliest rules were also published in England...", "made important contributions to the game",  "...Canadian rules reshaped the sport..."? Wrong. Before ice hockey and bandy, a variety of related informal skating team games which preceded both sports were played in various parts of North America and Europe. The earliest rules for ice hockey were not published in England, those rules were the precursors to organized bandy which has its own codes/rules. Apparently somewhere in the 1920's bandy received the name it is known by now (when and by whom, I don't know) to eliminate confusion with ice hockey which had developed in North America. Bandy used a field of ice and a bandy ball, ice hockey used an ice rink and a puck, this is a big difference...even bandy goalnets are massive by comparison, it's a field sport on ice. "Canadian rules" did not "contribute" anything, Canadian rules did not "reshape the sport"...these developments marked the formal beginning of a new organized sport itself which is now ice hockey. Organized bandy is a separate sport still played today; in essence it "disappeared" from North America because it never formalized its codes there, that was the UK. So no, ice hockey didn't reshape or contribute squat, it's just a different sport. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This page just seems desperate to redefine any early hockey as something other than Ice Hockey to clutch at the claim that Canadians invented it. The fact is the oldest Ice Hockey tournaments still running today started with English teams and English rules, its enough that Canada took it and ran with it and now it is quintessentially Canadian. There is no need to try and rewrite history. 82.6.32.114 (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Encyclopedia online may no longer be a valid source 

message: That section is quite long. I suggest we summarize it here, while copying the current text to a dedicated subarticle. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * Support creation of a separate article for history. A number of other sports have separate articles for history (ex. History of basketball) or even history in a certain country (ex. History of football in Brazil). The suggested split would also help to address the bloat of this article. Spitzmauskc (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split history section into [[History of ice hokey]]