Wikipedia talk:Image sleuthing

message: I'm just interested to know what people are using to search for the sources of these images. Personally I've been using Google searches of firstly the filename and then the image subject if nothing comes up for that. Evil Monkey → Talk  23:25, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
:Yup, ditto; nothing more elaborate. --Tagishsimon (talk)
: Yeah, although I did stumble upon firstgov.gov, which helped in finding a bunch of those mildly satisfactory Allawi images. --MaxPower 15:05, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)
* Of course, if you're looking for replacement images, there are many, many options. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:47, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
* I was also using Google but I would use any search term I could think of for the image in addition to the picture's name. I also tried Ditto.com a few times to no avail. Nrbelex 20:07, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Google does allow you to search by general image size. The dimensions of that image are 475 x 500, which falls under Size:Medium in Google's advanced search. Not exacly as precise as you were looking for, but I imagine that it's rare that people are using Google to find the original source of an exact image. — Asbestos | Talk 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update: A Google Image search of any image size (eg. ""800X611") will now yield  images of the searched for size (e.g. 800 x 611). I hope this can help in the future! Nrbelex (talk) (sleuth) 04:06, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great tip, thanks a lot! Foobaz·o< 05:12, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately this doesn't find all images of that size. Compare this keyword search with this dimensional search. The former shows that Google knows about this image, but the latter doesn't show it in a search for its size. Foobaz·o< 09:54, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tools 

message: I spent some time yesterday and went through and recreated some images. I did all of the RAF sleeve insignia images, and some of the RN sleeve insignia images. The RN ones are recreations of crappy graphics and are much better quality. The images have not been tagged or descripted or put in the proper pages. Just uploaded. They are released under whatever, either PD or GFDL. I guess GFDL as that is what :Image:AVM_insignia.png is released under. If someone wants to tag/insert these into articles for me that would be great. Thanks! --MaxPower 13:53, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)
RAF
*:Image:AC_insignia.png
*:Image:ACM_insignia.png
*:Image:AM_insignia.png
*:Image:FL_insignia.png
*:Image:FO_insignia.png
*:Image:GC_insignia.png
*:Image:MRAF_insignia.png
*:Image:PO_inisgnia.png
*:Image:SL_insignia.png
*:Image:WC_insignia.png
RN
*:Image:AF_insignia.png
*:Image:LC_insignia.png
*:Image:LT_insignia.png
*:Image:SL_insignia-RN.png
:Good man/woman. I'll maybe attend to all of these late on tonight, or, at latest, within a week or so. Clearly, if someone wants to pip me to the post... --Tagishsimon (talk)
::Man. Thanks for doing that for me! Also, that whole section is in need of clean up. If someone has a special place in their heart for militray ranks...--MaxPower 16:16, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)
:::Done the RAF. RN to follow --Tagishsimon (talk)
:::Done the RN. Check out :Image:Admfleetbrit.gif versus :Image:AF insignia.png ... should we be concerned about the loss of detail? I think the thicker & thinner colour of braid in the wide braid is probably significant? --Tagishsimon (talk)
::::Is it? I assumed it was bad compression artifacts? --MaxPower 21:02, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)
:::::Don't think so. Looks like fabric to me. --Tagishsimon (talk)
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Oh also, someone took issue with the way these images have been tagged, here is the conversation from their talk page:
:I saw you removed the GFDL tag from :Image:AF_insignia.png. I was wondering what your reasoning was? I re-created a ton of those insignia images (the original ones were small and had unverified copyright status) and it was decided that while the image may be copyrighted (probably is) that particular instance isn't (licensed by me as GFDL). Now that I type this out, I think you might mean simply having the GFDL tag on there might get people to think that the image is GFDL. Is that right? A good point, however if that is how the images need to be tagged than *all* of them need to be tagged consistantly I think. I dunno, thoughts? Leave me a message on my talk page! --MaxPower 16:44, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
::yeah it seems you already understood my reasoning. having the gfdl tag on there way confusing (particularly regarding categories). My understanding of copyright tags is they mean the image (as a whole) is availible under those terms and this one clearly was not. Personally i don't have a huge interest in the whole issue of image tagging if you want to discuss this then i suggest moving this conversation to an appropriate talk page (and leaving me a note saying where you have moved it to ofc) Plugwash 16:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAF/RN Sleeve Insignia/Rank Images 

message: When we were researching :Image:China, Mao (2).jpg, we were unable to determine copyright status in China. Since then, I've figured it out. Photos go in the public domain 50 years after were taken. The details are in , which is used in the image. Yay! – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:52, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
:On 1 September 2006, User:Physchim62 added a cautionary message that the copyright of these images might remain or be restored in the USA. This is painful while the USA has not adopted the "rule of the shorter term" of the Bern Convention.--Jusjih 22:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PD-China 

message: I have just created Template:unknownsource, intended for images where the actual source or creator is unknown and uncredited, but the image is believed to be under a license we can use and has been tagged as such (Fairuse, Promotional, etc).  This differs from Template:unverified in that there is an opinion formed about its usability within wikipedia.  Please consider using this tag in conjunction with tags placed on images as a result of sleuthing.  Comments welcomed.  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo 01:39, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, there is a vote for deletion of .  See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Fairuseunknownsource.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  When removing "unverified" on fair use images please consider "fairuseunknownsource" 

message: *Feel free to use this icon! Nrbelex (talk)  05:32, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Sleuthicon.jpg 

message: If an image possibly isn't free and we have to consider a fair use claim, here is a ten point process for deciding. This is a draft, please edit and improve.
Below "Tag" means add the appropriate tag, as well as other required content such as the source or the detailed fair use claim
1. Is the image a photograph?
:Yes - Go to 4. No - Go to 2.
2. Is the image one of the categories such as "book cover" "screenshot"
:Yes - Go to 10. No - Go to 3.
3. Can you (or someone else) recreate the image from free sources?
:Yes - Recreate. No - ifd.
4. Is the source of the copyright known?
:Yes - Go to 5. No - Go to 6.
5. Try to contact the copyright holder and ask for a release under the gfdl
: Permission granted - Tag. Not granted (refused or no response) - Go to 8.
6. Sleuth for the source.
: Source found - Go to 4. Not found after thorough search - Go to 7.
7. Is the photograph so old that it is likely to be in the public domain.
: Yes - Tag ((fairold)), No - Go to 8.
8. Is the photograph notably creative or artistic or is it the subject of a current news story (not a historical record)?
: Yes - Go to 9. No - Go to 10
9. Does the nature of the image and source (if known) suggest it is intended for wide distribution (such as promotional images, devotional images)
:Yes - Go to 10, no - Go to 3.
10. Is the image placed in a relevant article and no larger than required for the web based article?
:Yes - Tag. No - Resize the image or write the article, and then tag.
Zeimusu | Talk 15:56, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 point plan for judging fair use. 

message: Alphax has been making the Image Tools Template and I thought the Image Sluthing page would be a good place to put it. I'm not really sure how to get it in with the markup on top so I was hoping someone who knows what they're doing could get that up... Thanks Nrbelex (talk)  02:09, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding the [[Template:Imagetools|Image Tools Template]] 

message: I said I listed ROFLCopter on WP:CP but I think I actually put it on WP:IFD. Superm401 | Talk 22:37, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
:We have to remove the image from the article, then list it at IFD. You will use CV for copyvio. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 22:52, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake

message: Please can someone who understand copyrights better than me (not difficult) plase check that my tagging of :Image:Appeal posterlg.jpg as fair use is apropriate. Thanks Thryduulf 23:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police appeal poster 

message: Hi!  
WP:PUI's process lasts for thirty days, and many images are either found to be free before then or they're deleted.  However, there are a few which need a little bit more examination than most.  They're listed in this section after their thirty days on PUI.  Any help/input from image sleuths on these images would certainly be appreciated.  
Thanks! kmccoy (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images from PUI 

message: I wanted to upload an image from the U.S. National Archives (NARA), but wasn't sure of how to tag it appropriately so it's not removed. Thanks for your help. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a tag precisely for this purpose;  .  In the future, you can save yourself time by checking Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. Superm401 | Talk 19:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I typically don't upload a lot of images, simply because there are so many different rules concerning copyrights and public domain, so it actually seems quicker to me to ask an expert then to try and wade through all the different variations. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little help for an image greenhorn