Talk:Memorial (society)

message: Why on Earth list of foreign governments sponsoring Memorial was removed? This is information from Memorial itself, from their official site.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 02:26, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Zezen has been banned from editing English Wikipedia since Dec. 1, 2021. – Sca (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Why foreign sponsors removed?

message: Memorial was founded in the late 1980s during glasnost. Perestroika was the economic and bureaucratic restructuring which occurred under Gorbachev, while Glasnost allowed freer discussion concerning social and political problems. In addition, how could Memorial have been founded under "either" perestroika or glasnost as the Soviet Union had already ceased to exist in 1992 and both policies has in turn ceased to exist. As one can see in the section below the introductory one, they were already in existence in 1990.
:thanks. Fixed. Mikkalai 20:20, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: The lead says the group "also monitors human rights in post-Soviet states at the present time, for example in Chechnya." But according to the article Post-Soviet state, that term means an independent state that (1) split off from the USSR in 1991 and (2) were not part of the Russian SFSR. Do they monitor human rights in Russia or is this a political statement suggesting that Chechnya should be independent of Russia? Balipratipada (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chechnya

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Memorial has certainly earned its place today at the heart of Russian civil society. A new generation has come forward over the past five years, moreover, to renew and expand its efforts and innovative contributions to the education of society about the past and the present.
At the same time, it is wrong to attribute everything positive that has happened since 1988 to the activities of Memorial: in particular, the fundamental 1990 law on those "repressed" by the Soviet regime (a total of 12 million people in all) and the erection of the Solovki Stone next to KGB headquarters, were the work of other hands as well.
The article needs revision, expansion and proper documentation if it is to fairly represent the Memorial Society today, and give a convincing account of how it gained its present reputation.
John Crowfoot (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete, dated and sometimes tendentious 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the blanket use of present-tense verbs in the lead. I realize that other Memorial organizations still exist outside Russia, but since the main site in Russia has been outlawed, it's in effect no longer in existence. I realize it's a complicated situation, but it seems to me more nuanced verb usage in a somewhat more complex lead would be more appropriate and informative. – Sca (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Rustat99/John, the current situation is unclear and I think it's better to wait a little bit until we have more sources indicating Memorial in Russia has been fully disbanded. Particularly as it's unclear whether or not the Russian authorities will respect the ECHR's injunction. Jr8825 • Talk 17:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Verb tenses

message: Due to the notability of recent events and what could be considered a important event on the topic of human rights in russia and internationally
i would like to pre-emptively suggest that the section labeled "Intimidation and order to close, 2021" be turned into its own article if it gets large enough in volume to warrant its own article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephwhyman041104 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's necessary and I don't see how the WP:SPINOFF criteria would fit here: the article is neither overly long, nor a summary-style overview of a broad topic. Jr8825 • Talk 17:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

text: No, can't see any purpose in that. Keep everything in one article. 50.111.6.149 (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestion to create a separate page about recent events 

message: From the way things are going, e.g. the very unusual Joint Statement issued yesterday, there will have to be another section after the one I created and named "Unfinished Business". The reversion removes useful information about the State of Play in late December when courts ordered the abolition or, rather, liquidation of both International Memorial and Memorial HRC.
I shall now add a further section "The International Response" and at the next opportunity revert the changes to the present, renamed last section "Future Aims" (a strange title meaning ...?) which, whatever the intention of the editor, amounts to vandalism. Perhaps the editor responsible can respond here to explain why she/he acted in this way -- I can see no such explanation elsewhere on this page!
Yours faithfully Rustat99 (talk) 19:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not happy about reversion of last section 

message: It is wrong to assume that people were shot and buried at every major site linked to the Great Terror. Until there is documentary confirmation it is wiser not to assume this. An example from a couple of years later: Polish POWs were shot at NKVD headquarters in Tver and their bodies then driven out of the city and buried at the Mednoe complex.
The late Arseny Roginsky, an expert on the subject, warned that the widespread use of the euphemism "firing range" is misleading. When suitable areas outside population centres were set aside in 1937 for mass burial locals referred to these fenced-off and carefully guarded areas as "firing ranges": that does not mean the victims of the Great Terror were necessarily shot as well as buried there.
I have altered the link in the "See Also" section accordingly.
John Crowfoot aka Rustat99 (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Status of Kommunarka and other burial sites

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message: Someone with the best of intentions (doubtless) keeps altering the opening description of Memorial's profile as a society engaged in historical research. 
Initially, in the late 1980s, Memorial did formally describe its mission as dealing with the Stalin era. Subsequently, as is demonstrated by the over 3 million entries in the "List of Victims of Political Repression in the USSR", that scope was widened to include the entire Soviet period, stretching from 1917 to 1991. Rustat99 (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT just about Stalin