Talk:Qian Xuesen

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message: I don't think that Tsien was a JPL director. The article needs to be corrected.
This needs to be sourced.
: Tsien is said to be embarassed about his past in the west and has destroyed documents associated with that time and has asked friends not to speak of it.  
In Chinese interviews, Tsien has talked often about his time in the United States, and I've never gotten the impression that he is embarrassed by it.
This came from an article about Chang's book.  The article implied that this was in Chang's book.  I have no idea if it is or not, I can only go on what was said.  If someone has Chang's books and can refute it that would be good.Ark30inf 01:49, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: The book doesn't say anything about embarassment. On the contrary, it implies that Tsien was angry and felt betrayed by the US government, and is still waiting for an apology. - mako 02:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Role at JPL

message: I am sorry; I have not heard  this term King of Rocketry applied to Tsien Hsue Shen before.  What is the source?Hillgentleman 13:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who called Tsien Hsue Shen ''King of Rocketry''?

message: "...he returned to China after being accused of being a communist by the United States government during the red scare of the 1950s the same way Wu Ningkun was accused of being an American spy in mainland China."
As far as I know, based on the autobiographical memoir by Wu Ningkun, and the memoir by his daughter, Wu was suspected of being an American spy, during the '50s but not officially accused by the authorities. 
He was denounced and sent to a concentration camp as an "ultra-rightist". I also think their experiences were quite different. So I think the analogy is rather misleading.
Another reason to remove the analogy is that many intellectuals were persecuted in China during the anti-rightist campaigns of the '50s and the Cutural Revolution, and many (especially if they had studied abroad) were suspected of being American spies. So, I don't see a reason to single out Wu in the context of Qian Xuesen's story. Cowdemon 16:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Analogy to Wu Ningkun seems a bit misleading

message: Needs to be added about the identity of the idiots who accelerated the Chinese Rocketry program by labeling this man a communist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.194.63.129 (talk) 22:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Was Hangzhou the capital of Zhejiang province when Tsien Hsue-shen was born there? Did the province exist by that name at the time? (sdsds - talk) 20:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how Zhejiang province was established in the Ming Dynasty, and AFAIK Hangzhou has been its capital since founding, I'd have to say yes. Unless Tsien is 600+ years old. ;) --Rpine75 (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hangzhou 

message: Does anyone have sources/resources on how he and his family were treated after being deported to China? I'm curious as to their experiences during the Cultural Revolution and whether they were "sacked" much. 24.83.201.24 (talk) 10:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whether he was "purged" by the Communist authorities? Experiences during Cultural Revolution? 

message: Qian was born on Dec. 11th, 1911 and died on Oct. 31st, 2009. Thus, his last birthday was Dec. 11th, 2008. 2008-1911 = 97. Not 98. I am sure the confusion comes into play since Chinese years of age are counted from each new year- thus Qian was 1 year old the entirety of 1912, and was 98 the entirety of 2009, for China. However, although Chinese naming conventions are preserved in the western world, for the most part, birthdays are not. Even worse is that the LA Times is reporting his death at age 98, despite that his age calculates out to 97. There's an edit war over the age- please check the talk page before you rashly change it back to 98. --Utopianfiat (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to East Asian age reckoning, Qian was 1 suì (歲 - "year old") from 11 Dec 1911 to 17 Feb 1912 (Chinese New Year's Eve), 2 suì from 18 Feb 1912 to 5 Feb 1913 and so on.  (New Year calculations courtesy of OK Lah.net).  But China no longer uses the system much officially so it's not really relevant for the time of his death.  —  AjaxSmack  05:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: I've gone through and cleaned up the most obvious errors of grammar and style, up to the point of Qian's return to China in 1955. I've also sourced the information about his education and family, wherever possible. If there are any quibbles or objections, let's handle them here rather than adding them to the article text. (I'm looking at you, anonymous editor at 128.111.144.32 - but thanks for your tip.) LibertyHiller (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone help me to locate a copy of HS Tsien scientific paper:
Tsien, HS, "On the Design of the Contraction Cone for a Wind Tunnel," J. Aeronaut. Sci., 10, 68-70, 1943  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.86.29.158 (talk) 02:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: ^ There was a statement on the page that indicated Qian applied for citizenship but could not afford the naturalization fees. This statement sounds like a propaganda piece during his time in China (coming from his wife) and should be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedi2155 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: well, phoenix is a pro-beijing source, but it's not a unreliable source for this kind of information so i left it and simply attributed it better. I think that's the best we can do for now. I don't know why this must necessarily be propaganda?Happy  monsoon day 18:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

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message: "The name he used while in the United States was Hsue-Shen Tsien, or H.S. Tsien."
Actually, that was the name he used, period, so the name of the article should be the same name he was known for. Nobody else has the right to change this. Only in the 1980's did the current pinyin system come to place in China replacing the Wade-Giles system. But this does not mean that the names of everyone who was born before this date have to be changed accordingly. It is the search result of 'Qian Xuesen' that should be directed to 'Hsue-Shen Tsien'.Yen-Tzu (talk) 08:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, so the Move has been made; edits to article will be required; hope you will help! Rgdboer (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

text: OK, Tsien has been used throughout except for his time in China, where Qian is his surname. This scientist deserves attention through his lasting contributions such as Engineering Cybernetics (1954) and his symmetrical airfoil. His legacy in English is as Hsue-Shen Tsien and this article in English Wikipedia adheres to that designation. Rgdboer (talk) 23:12, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've moved the article back to "Qian Xuesen" per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PINYIN. Google results for "Qian Xuesen" are three times as numerous as "Hsue-Shen Tsien". Encyclopedia Britannica NYT, New Yorker, etc. all use "Qian Xuesen". -Zanhe (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest changing the name to Hsue-Shen Tsien 

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message: Since so many publications are found with e.g.:
: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=hs+tsien
the article might be improved by adding the note that H.S. Tsien redirects here. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 08:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Published as HS Tsien