Talk:Islamic mythology

message: Islam was NOT founded by Muhammad. Muhammad as the founder of Islam is NEVER taught in Islam. Muhammad is rather considered "The Last Messenger of God". Islam also believes in the earlier Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. Believing that Muhammad is the Founder of Islam is contradictory to this doctrine. Among the main causes of this confusion is the relience on non-Muslim sources for Islamic doctrines. islamic law stipulates that non-Muslims can never be an authority on Islam nor are they allowed to teach Islam. In fact, even ignorant Muslims cannot teach Islam.
Bedejim 12:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You detest the word "Islamic" because it is not mentioned in the Hadith? That's probably because it is an English adjective, while the Hadith is in Arabic. "Islamic mythology" is not the same as "Arabian mythology" in the same way "Muslim" is not equivalent to  "Arab". dab (𒁳) 17:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Messenger of Allah

message: I have listed the following articles from the "Islamic Mythology category" at:
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion#List_of_articles_where_mythology_cats_are_potentially_problematic
*Genie
*Ifrit
*Marid
It seems that these concepts are taken from the Quran, and since there are definitely significant numbers of people today who believe the Quran is a sacred book, they would not share the POV of some that these topics are to be classified as "Islamic mythology".  Please see the above link for the general discussion. Thanks,  Blockinblox 14:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am curious if Muslims would feel okay if we use the mythology explanation box on the page (or made one specific to "mythology and Islam".  The general one looks like this (see right) and reads "In its broadest academic sense, the word "myth" simply means a traditional story, whether true or false. (—OED, Princeton Wordnet) Unless otherwise noted, the words "mythology" and "myth" are here used for sacred and traditional narratives, with no implication that any belief so embodied is itself either true or false."
Goldenrowley 18:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the info box is a good idea here. --Phatius McBluff 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Angels (called Farishta in Islam) - beings of light that serve as God's messengers; in Islam, these lack free will.
I removed the word Farishta. I'm a muslim from Indonesia and never heard the word 'Farishta', neither in Indonesia, nor Australia, nor any muslim sites I visited. The islamic word for angel is Malaaykah. Persian or Urdu words should not be used if you want to talk about any Islamic concept or any myth inspired from Islam. Kunderemp (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Qur'an "mythology"?  

message: : Angels (called Farishta in Islam) - beings of light that serve as God's messengers; in Islam, these lack free will.
I removed the word Farishta. I'm a muslim from Indonesia and never heard the word 'Farishta', neither in Indonesia, nor Australia, nor any muslim sites I visited. The islamic word for angel is Malaaykah. Persian or Urdu words should not be used if you want to talk about any Islamic concept or any myth inspired from Islam. Kunderemp (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the word Farishta 

message: I invite all editors participating in this article to join the discussion at Proposed change to policy on ambiguous words in religious articles, as it has a bearing on the contents of this article.--FimusTauri (talk) 15:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC on myth and religion 

message: This is not just about whether the stories in the Quran are true. As with Christianity and Judaism, there's a huge amount of post-Scriptual, indisputable mythological material, including pious and semi-pious legends, fantastic stories about jinns and the like, etc. The entire magical world of the Arabian nights belongs to Islamic mythology. And it's absurd that five out of six sentences in the lead of an article titled "Islamic mythology" are currently devoted to a defence of the view that Islam don't have no mythology, cuz it's all TRUE!!!--91.148.159.4 (talk) 15:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not just about atheist/Christian/Jewish criticism of Islam 

message: Here the article should related to mythologies in Islamic culture and not on Islam itself.Messiaindarain (talk) 06:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Beliefs and mythology

message: I stumbled on this page for some info on Islamic creation myth/belief. But there is not much here. Mostly a comparison with Judeaism and Christianity.
Don't think it's the end of the world, but there seems to be some 'vital' info missing too.
First there is:
God molded clay, earth, sand and water into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life. And this first man was called Adam.
But then goes on:
God placed the couple in a beautiful garden in Paradise
No mention about how that couple came to be ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.251.37.254 (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eve in Islamic Creation Belief? 

message: This opening mollifying line is not needed- Many Muslims believe that these narratives are historical and sacred and contain profound truths..  We are already explaining "mythology" and as in Christian and Jewish articles of similar natures we do not need to explain that some see these as truths.  This article needs to be treated the same as Christian, Greek, Jewish, Irish, etc....  tyvm Pudge MclameO (talk) 04:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unneeded 

message: In the Islamic creation belief passage it is written: "God molded clay, earth, sand and water into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life." Where was it said or written that including clay God also molded earth, sand and water into the form of a human? Is there any reference for this statement? 119.154.23.102 (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Indeed, the translation of scripture is something that warrants careful treatment. Therefore one must guard against mistranslated material. The article seems to indicate some sort of confusion in the Quran regarding the number of days involved in the creation of the heavens and the earth. The article goes on to say that scholars have already resolved this, but the damage is already done in the mind of the reader. The statement that alludes to a contradiction (i.e. the contrast made between 6 and 8 days) gives the impression of being a statement of fact, so that even when it is said that scholars claim that it is in fact 6 and not 8, the reader is left in doubt as to what to believe.
In several places in the Quran it is stated that the heavens and earth were created in 6 days. There is no ambiguity in any of these and it is taken as an established principle. In chapter 41 verse 11 of the Quran where a more detailed description is given, there is a word that has been the subject of mistranslation. This word (pronounced "thuma" if I'm not mistaken) has three (3) meanings. It can be translated to indicate sequential action, parallel action, or simply as "moreover". Given the fact that 6 days is taken as being established, translating the word in Q41:11 to indicate sequential action would be incorrect. Translators are not above making mistakes. 
I would advise that Islamic scholars such as Dr. Jafar Idris, Shayk Hamza Yusef and Shayk Yusef Estes be consulted in these matters. Kirk10p99 (talk) 00:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Number of Days in Islamic Creation Belief 

message: The original first section "Issues surrounding the term 'mythology'" was deleted on 6 February 2012, with the edit summary "This doesn't belong here. It belongs in mythology, which is already linked. Only 1 sentence was Islam-specific." Since myth and mythology are commonly misconstrued (for instance, "The contents of this section aren't mythological (myths involve gods)"), I think a brief section on terminology would be useful to readers who cannot reasonably be expected to first follow the mythology wikilink. Perhaps this proposed introductory section could use some of the original material. Keahapana (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology section 

message: Substituted at 19:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I wanted to state that this article really needs to be deleted. There is no concept in ISlam such as Islamic mythology. Im quite sure that this article will not stand around much longer  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.64.223.111 (talk) 04:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been around for eleven years.  It needs improvement, but it's not going to be deleted.  There are stories that some Muslims tell which are not necessarily in the Quran but which qualify as mythology by secular academic standards.  Ian.thomson (talk) 04:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Title is not correct

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message: Regarding the following passage "Adam is according to Islam, both the first human and the first prophet." really needs a ciation? If so, what exatly is objected? The fact that Adam is the first Prophet is very common in Islam, also that he is the first human. There might be varying positions regarding the claim "first human", since some Medieval scholars and Sufis asserted there had been a humans or human-like creatures, but these are rather minor itnerpretation differing from the common Islamic mythology itself. So, what exactly is requested here?--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Request 

message: Rather than focusing on Myths associated with islam, the page is heavily biased as uses personal opinions rather than islamic sources. The page has listed an islamic figure as a "supernatural creature". It's important that the correct information is given  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmason101 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Review Request (Biased Text) 

message: The page is about "myths" assosiated with Islam. There is a seperate page for Critism of Islam. Text on the page must be kept relevant to the subject and must originate from Quran or Hadith to be labelled as "Islamic". Personal opinions must not be added in order for the text to be neutral. This page is about "Mythology"
The context of following citation does not refer to a myth assosiated with islam but refers to an opinion, therefore it is irrelevant.
"The Oxford Companion to World Mythology Devid Leeming writes:[2]
I have treated the sacred narratives of the "great religions", including the monotheistic Abrahamic religions, as myths, not to deprecate those religions, but simply because to a believer in one religion the stories -- especially the supernatural ones -- of another religion tend to be seen as myth rather than history." --Tmason101 (talk) 16:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Opinion Removal Request  

message: There was a section which stated that Muslims believed the Earth was flat. There is no textual evidence in Quran to support this. Infact, the Quran (Chapter 79, Verse 30) contradicts this statement by saying the Earth is shaped like an Egg. Eggs are not flat in nature and have a curved appearance.
--Tmason101 (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  That Muslims beleived and that the Quran stated are two different things. The first is about that Muslims believe that the Quran states, and the second is about that the Quran actually states.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Information Removal 

message: I've already explained that "Quran (Chapter 79, Verse 30) contradicts this statement by saying the Earth is shaped like an Egg."
Can you explain why the edit was reverted?
--Tmason101 (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  First, although the Quran might state, that the earth is like an egg, Muslims obviously did not read it this way. It might be because the Quran is not stating this in the original language, or it is because Muslims in the past were too stupid to read the Quran propberly. Either way, Wikipedia is not a "Quran learning"-Webpage, but an encyclopedia. So it does not matter how to itnerprete the Quran properly. An encyclopedia about beliefs just covers that people contributed to their believes, but it does not tell you, that one should believe.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  because Wikipedia policy says you shouldn't use religious texts to make an argument. See WP:PRIMARY. Religious scriptures are primary texts, and policy says that "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation." Are you not aware that religious scriptures are often interpreted differently by different people? Doug Weller talk 09:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

text: And yet you still need independent reliable sources. You don't seem to be listening. Doug Weller talk 11:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

text: That first line you quoted sets it out quite clearly: "the body of myths associated with Islam and the Quran" does not mean the same as "a body of myths taken directly from the Quran". To say that something is not in the Quran, or that there is a verse of the Quran that contradicts it, is not an argument against something being part of a body of myths associated with Islam, or with the Quran. The idea of the flat earth being a traditional medieval representation amongst Islamic societies doesn't seem to be controversial - I came across this with a few seconds of Googling. I imagine there are scholarly sources discussing this that would be more up-to-date than the source we currently used in the article, and so I expect that this content could be refined or expanded upon, but removing it wholesale because your interpretation of the Quran says it can't be so isn't going to fly. GirthSummit (blether) 13:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit revision 

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Greetings, Requesting you to have a look at 
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Requesting article expansion help, if above topics interest you.
Thanks and regards
Bookku (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting help in article expansion  

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