Talk:Scrum (software development)

message: As requested by , I'm backing up each tag I added. Consider this something of an ad hoc WP:PR, I suppose... Despite being a computer programmer by profession, my job really has never put me on a collision course with this concept before. I've worked solo since 2018, on individual contracts for individual features to add to, or bugs to fix in, free software, mostly to FontForge. Before that, when I still worked in the normal commercial/proprietary software "industry", agile software development was still all the rage. But enough about me...
=== MOS:PUFF / WP:MISSION ===
Not my tag, but I agree with it. This article is riddled with language that says a whole lot of nothing. That might be OK for the Scrum website, but not for an encyclopedia. A particularly egregious example from § Limitations:
Isn't every approach to managing software developers "designed" to yield the "best business solutions"? Why would anyone "design" an approach to managing software developers that's meant to yield subpar "business solutions"? What even is a "business solution"; I assume it's anything that solves a "business problem", so what kind of business problem are we talking about here? It's no accident that  redirects to . It is also completely out-WP:NPOV to write an unqualified  in any context whatsoever. If Scrum has many virtues, I also think I have many virtues, and I'd like my Wikipedia page upgraded to reflect that. Preferably if we can put it in the most negative section as well, as here, that would be ideal. File:SMocking.gif18px
=== MOS:LEAD ===
I tagged  because that's what's needed. The lead is not following the most important parts of MOS:LEAD; no part of the lead would be in this article if it were WP:FA-class. The lead in this article is not an "overview". Again, more MOS:PUFF: ; . These phrases do nothing to enlighten readers. Complex compared to what? Advanced compared to what?
As a quite note,  makes absolutely no sense, and I can't WP:SOFIXIT because I have no idea what is meant. , perhaps? That also makes no sense, at least with how I understand the word .
As I'll discuss later, the inline cites in the lead are also unsuited for inclusion.
=== WP:FANPOV ===
§ Key ideas just compounds problems in the lead and other sections, and starts crossing from MOS:PUFF and into WP:FANPOV.  How? Also, ; but then we have the entire §§ Workflow and Roles, which detail in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail exactly how every little part of the Scrum system is, indeed, planned out and predictable. Is there anything less predictable than a daily fifteen minute meeting?
From § Roles, we get  about the "product owner", who uses , so presumably, no other management style can do this, because they don't have "the empirical tools" (they lack the spiritual technology, perhaps?). It's very obvious that the article is already deciding, in WP:WIKIVOICE, that Scrum is the best, and everything else is just backstory. 
Another thing I'm not impressed by is the continuous use of the word  to talk about other practices. This is more WP:FANPOV—we, the Scrum masters of the universe, are the enlightened, and everyone else is stuck in burdensome "traditions". This is especially visible in the sentence , which doesn't actually mean anything, but could, perhaps with better sources, start approaching some actual meaningful statement about Scrum governance. Right now it sounds like no one in charge. Is Scrum an anarchy? A new character is introduced very late into the article, at § Cancelling a sprint, the mysterious character of . Of course, capitalism exists, and our allergy to this term could not have been expected to continue indefinitely. Have we indeed just renamed the project manager a scrum master and sprinkled some MOS:PUFF on top?
=== WP:V / WP:RS ===
Our regularly scheduled program is on hold while we go over some sources. 
* Schwaber and Sutherland (2017) is WP:PRIMARY. It's being used inappropriately right in the lead. We ought to be able to find a WP:THIRDPARTY to back that up.
* I see no evidence Agile Alliance is WP:RS, though it may just be a quasi-RS as a trade rag of sorts. 
* DZone is WP:UGC and must be removed.
* StackOverflow is WP:UGC and must be removed.
* Schwaber's bio on Scrum.org is WP:PRIMARY and has no capitalized title; source has either changed or never said what it's meant to.
* There is no reason to believe "Agile Learning Labs", Johnson (2011), is an WP:RS. This is just someone's blog.
* Schwaber (2004), Microsoft Press, despite the imprint, is still WP:PRIMARY due to its author; however, I don't think any use of it in the current text is inappropriate.
* Schwaber (2004), Advanced Development Methods, more WP:PRIMARY.
:* So we're using two primary sources to draw an inference no WP:RS makes about why people started capitalizing SCRUM sometimes. Probably not appropriate.
* Verheyen (2013), this guy at least has a serious WP:COI if he's not WP:PRIMARY himself. According to his bio:
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: This in my view is more than enough to make Verheyen WP:PRIMARY.
I see no reason to keep going so granular, those are the major issue sources, and any other source by either Schwaber, Sutherland or Verheyen.
Third-party sources need to start being prioritized; Deemer et al. (2012) looks like a place to start. The Addison-Wesley sources and the John Wiley & Sons sources also seem at first brush WP:RS to me where they weren't written by Schwaber, Sutherland, or Verheyen.
One last thing before we move on. There is significant confusion in my mind about what the difference between agile and Scrum actually is. We seem to be using sources about agile, such as Flewelling (2018), but also many others when I have no reason to believe that this is appropriate. A section on the difference, if there even is one besides terminology, (I remain skeptical.) is desperately needed.
===Wrap-up / ping line===
 Thanks for the kick in the pants. Definitely learned something by doing this review: my day job is awesome! File:SFriendly.svg18px Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 06:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I agreed with these. Your first round was overkill. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   After sleeping on it, I think the best solution is to merge this article into the agile article. However, you've been contributing to it since before I joined Wikipedia. So, what's your thought on a WP:PM? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 20:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think there's enough here for a stand-alone article. It's not unlike the :Kanban (development) article although the documentation there is better. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{u|Psiĥedelisto}}'s review 

message: Thanks for the kick in the pants. Definitely learned something by doing this review: my day job is awesome! File:SFriendly.svg18px Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 06:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I agreed with these. Your first round was overkill. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   After sleeping on it, I think the best solution is to merge this article into the agile article. However, you've been contributing to it since before I joined Wikipedia. So, what's your thought on a WP:PM? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 20:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think there's enough here for a stand-alone article. It's not unlike the :Kanban (development) article although the documentation there is better. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrap-up / ping line

message: "Scrum is a lightweight framework that helps people, teams, and organizations generate value through adaptive solutions for complex problems." What sort of way is this to open an objective descriptive article? Like all marketing openers, it tells you nothing whatever about what the thing is, other than that the writer is absolutely sure it would "generate" plenty of "value" for you. 212.123.0.8 (talk) 13:00, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. What do you plan to do about it? :) Or you're just wanting to complain? Stevebroshar (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marketing tone in the lead 

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message: This discussion delves into the evolution of leadership in Scrum, specifically focusing on the transition from traditional "in charge" roles to the philosophy of "servant leadership." Explore why the term "in charge" was replaced with "servant" and the significance of this change. Learn how this shift emphasizes support, facilitation, and team empowerment, fostering collaboration and continuous improvement. Gain a deeper understanding of how embracing servant leadership principles can optimize team dynamics, boost productivity, and cultivate a culture of trust and innovation within Scrum teams. Asmund.skalevik (talk) 03:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Asmund.skalevik Where is said change documented to be widely in use? —C.Fred (talk) 03:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leading with Service: Understanding the Shift from 'In Charge' to 'Servant' in Scrum