Talk:Perth/Archive 2

message: I understand this was the main transport hub for perth for the first 50 years of the colony due primarliy to inhospital sandy soils, most transposrt was on the river.  The area around the jetty was where the afghan camel trains were loaded and unloaded there cargo then went onto boats for the trip to fremantle.  The afghans were responsible for the planting of the Date palms along the foreshore.  Gnangarra 14:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barracks Street Jetty 

message: This is an interesting piece of engineering the bridge was originally required to enable the camel train to pass over the train line without affecting the trains. The problem they had was there wasn't sufficient approaches on either side to enable a conventional bridge.  The horse design enable the short crossing, but because of the length of the camel trains it was required to be extremely wide to enable them to be turned at the top. 
Thats all i know at the moment can some help to expand into a better section Gnangarra 14:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  horse shoe bridge 

message: I agree that a search on Perth alone should show all centres with the name PERTH whether they are 200 years old or whether they have a population of 2,000,000 or 2.
But what I cant fathom is when time is spent correcting links from the disambiguation page to the article that is object of the link people are going back and removing the disambiguation. Gnangarra 14:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how stupid 

message: This should help:
:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite.php
I've changed one external inline link to a reference using this method.
SeanMack 16:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References needed

message: Found this in section 8.8 (Freo).
'... one cannot visit Fremantle without going to the Fremantle Markets, before having one of the many varieties of coffee on the city's infamous Capuccino Strip - South Terrace'
What exactly is infamous about the capuccino strip? Is that sentence there because of the nightclubs on the weekend nights (which do get pretty hairy sometimes, especially at the taxi rank), or what? Because I can't think of anything else infamous about the strip (in fact, even for the crezze clubbers, infamous is probably the wrong word).
Bird of paradox 18:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  infamous capuccino strip? 

message: Quote:
:Water supply
:In recent years, climate change has resulted in reduced rainfall in the region, reducing inflow into dams by two thirds over the last 30 years
Does someone have a source for this? Generally (no I don't have a source for my generalisation ;) ) reductions in inflow in Australia are attributable to changes in land use, soil degredation, deforestation, etc. This statement presumes climate change is a proven, indisputable fact, without provision of a source showing that the climate has changed.
For all I know the reduction in inflows to Perth, WA dams is due to the increase in water extraction from the Great Artesian Basin.
(yeah, it doesn't even go all the way to Perth. Whatever!)
Garrie 23:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read(the west) that the reason for the reduction was an increase in trees in the catchment area that by thining the problem wll be resolved Gnangarra 04:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography / Water

message: I think the article needs a section on the economics of the city. Any takers? This is a good reference for starters: http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/html/pub_pdffiles/CapitalPerth.pdf Cheers SeanMack 06:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: fully agree, last sentence in History section is more of economic than historical value. -- Goldie (tell me) 21:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Information

message: Going through the subsection "Naming and founding" most of it seems to be related to Western Australia in general and not to Perth in particular. I can understand Foundation Day is relevant as Perth and Fremantle are parts of the first settlement but Federation referendum is largely irrelevant. Same applies to british concerns and settlement of Albany - Stirling's voyage is important, Albany is not relevant beyond being the foremost colony in WA and Perth/Fremantle being the second. 
So I personally think the irrelevant information should be moved to WA article (as there is no History section at all), and what is left to be merged in a monolitic History section without a subsection. -- Goldie (tell me) 21:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And while we're on the subject, the eventual history section in this article should mention the "city of lights" story, the hijacked tank incident and the bombing of the French embassy. Snottygobble 01:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It was an APC, not a tank. What about the WA Inc. years then there's also Noongar history, dreamtime, Yagan, and mascre in the valley 1830(victms buried at all saints church, henley brook). Gnangarra 02:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think WA Inc. should be considered part of the history of Western Australia rather than the history of Perth. Noongar history would of course contain aspects relevant to Perth, including the life of Yagan. Snottygobble 02:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: In fact, there's probably enough material for an entire article on the superb buildings lost in Perth! Have a look at the photos of St Georges Terrace in the 40's and you get a bit of an idea - Gobeirne 06:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Also catalina's flying out of Crawley, and langley park as an airfield prior to sth guildford. maybe the robbery from tax office during early 70's as well. Gnangarra 15:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: As raised on the Western Australia talk page Talk:Western Australia Aussie Rules has the most paying spectators but other sports have higher memberships and participants than footy I adjusted the article to show it as the a popular spectator sport.  Gnangarra 12:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  define Most popular sport 

message: It seems that User:Auroranorth and myself created separate articles History of Perth and History of Perth, Western Australia at about the same time (just a few days ago). There is no doubt these above pages should be merged. As to merging with Perth, Western Australia, I would suggest no merge as there is a huge amount of material that could go into a separate History of Perth article, and it would also be consistent with the convention used by other Australian Capital cities (which have their own history pages). Gazjo 01:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Per Gazjo. Snottygobble 01:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Perth

message: Here's what Perth will look like in a few years time according to an artists competition held in 1929.  I didn't have a place to put this and just wanted to share it with you all. :) -- I@n ≡ talk 06:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: interestingly there is a bridge at the narrows that was still almost 30 years away Gnangarra
I have just added the photo Perth CBD from air in the Governance section - not really sure if this is the right section but I thought this gives a good perspective of the CDB's scale compared with the suburbs. --Chewy m 16:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Should there be a section of references to Perth in literature or modern culture? I think there would be many people interest to know that in The Sandman, when Lucifer retires, he moves to scarborough – and I'm sure there would be many other fun and interesting mention of Perth. Hegar 06:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea, but is the Sandman comic really referring to Perth's Scarborough? There are several other places called Scarborough around the world... Bonga 05:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perth In Lit/Pop Culture? 

message: This article needs to decide what direction it is taking, is it about
#Perth - the Metropolitan area, and capital of WA
#Perth - Suburb and city centre.
#Both
I think it should be the first option Gnangarra 11:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was always under the understanding that it was the first one. SeanMack 12:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think Cyberjunkie edits was to bring the article back to that focus. Gnangarra 12:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This article should be about the metropolitan area; the standard (though not full implemented for WA and QLD) is to have separate articles for local government areas.--cj | talk 16:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article seems to attract enthusiastic POV when it carries certain headings (see below)  I do think that some compromise needs to be made where the section headings do not attract this sort of POV attractant, so whichever way the article goes, it really needs to exclude items that can be more suitable reviewed in other arts - such as LGA's, or other parts of the Perth project. Just my delayed 2 bobs worth :) SatuSuro 12:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  starting point 

message: Whatever happens, this section should be removed, it seems to attract POV like flies to ... SatuSuro 12:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. SeanMack 17:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree also.  I'll move it out.  BTW, I was just reading the Adelaide article which is very well done - but we're getting there!  -- I@n 01:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lifestyle

message: :Perth is a relatively small city in comparison with Sydney and Melbourne, the capitals of New South Wales and Victoria respectively, but it is still the fourth largest city in Australia. The Central Business District is the financial centre of Perth, and while a hive of activity during the work week, is relatively quiet and deserted during weekends. Despite Perth's CBD being quite small Perth has many large suburbs which have shopping centres, supermarkets, cinemas, takeaways and many other amenities.
I removed this paragraph from the article as it's has nothing to do with the City skyline section it was in. If there is better place please return it to the article there but it will need cites and a reword as well. Gnangarra 10:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cut section 

message: I think that this recently-added photo-
:Image:Perth City Skyline.JPG
- is of subpar quality. It should either be re-taken at a different time of day/night, when the light is more aesthetically appealing, or it should simply be removed, given that there are multiple other (much better) photos of the skyline already.
Does anyone else agree?
Bonga 22:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skyline photos 

message: I found this on the Polish Wiki - Can someone fit it into the table as the formatting of it is weird...
These are Perth's partner cities:
 Kagoshima (1974)   Houston (1984)   Rhodes (1984)   Megisti (1984)   San Diego (1987)   Vasto (1989)   Nanjing (1998)   Taipei (1999)
 Thanks, Imperator Honorius 07:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this list. This article is about the Perth metropolitan area, not the City of Perth, which these cities are sister to.--cj | talk 15:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Partner Cities

message: I think this should be added somewhere, as it is often mentioned in The West and in the local news reports. Something about being the second highest in the country, and the huge growth rate. I have a link which I got off the Canberra wiki REIA. This has all of the necessecary information I think. 
There's also no mention of the Economy of Perth, I don't feel it's adequetly covered in the Western Australia article, which passes over the heavily services based sector. I'm not sure if it's needed though, as, except for the Major mining companes based here, it's much like other large western cities.
I like Radiohead 06:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definately agree, Perth's economy is booming at the moment.  Not only the mining sector, but other areas such as tourism and the businesses services sector. AustralianTraveller 21:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housing Prices/Economy 

message: This article reads like an add for the company and I think it should be deleted.  The original request in the to/do box was for Perth Trams, which I took as the use of trams in Perth between 1890 and 1960. can who ever put the original request please clarify what they were looking for. Gnangarra 09:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see how the article reads like an add for the company - it is not bias or one-sided in my point of view.  For tourism in Western Australia, I think it is quite a prominent attraction, hence the need for the article.  The original request was for Perth Trams, but I didn't take it as the old trams that were in use.  If that was the original intentions for the request, then maybe another article can be made about the mode of transport used in Perth at that time.  So while it may not have been the intended article, I think the article is still needed, having been a tourist in Perth myself. Sorry Gnangarra if I totally misread the original request, --Ali K 09:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know what the origiinal request was for hence the question, its not Bias its just reads like an add rather than an article. The other point is it doesnt link from any articles, I though maybe who ever requested the article in the first place would respond and link to what they wanted it for. Gnangarra 12:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks for the concern. --Ali K 12:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the article should be deleted - although perhaps some of the info should go on the new page about the historical trams. Anyway, i've nominated it for deletion. See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perth Tram Company DonkeyKong the mathematician (in training) 08:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Afd finished early after all article editors indicated it should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perth Tram Company 

message: Robert and Janet had 4 children, Peter, Paul and Simon and a daughter whose name I cannot remember.  Help. — Moondyne 14:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Catherine.  Thanks User:124.189.207.200 — Moondyne 08:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Robert Holmes à Court]]

message: Do we want to mention the MRS in here someplace, or would it be better in a separate article?  Gordon | Talk, 11:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Gnangarra 11:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metropolitan Regional Scheme 

message: Hi, I just archived pretty much everything before October, as it was mostly out of date. They can be found in /Archive1 and /Archive2. I like Radiohead 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived Old Talk 

message: I am suprised that no Perth related articles mention London Court.  It is a distinctive architecture and major tourist drawcard.
http://www.londoncourt.com.au/
--Biatch 05:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true - negigble mention -  also it is  a potential good separate article that could be written - as the context of construction and its survival - would help notability - tourist attraction is not necessarily sufficient to warrant an article  as such SatuSuro 05:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any anyone does fancy the article I have some reasonable pics to add. SeanMack 13:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: London Court.  Thanks for the pics Sean. —Moondyne 09:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  London Court 

message: I removed this due to inaccuracy. Perth is 31.5248S 115.5258E, Hamilton Bermuda is 32.293N 64.782W. Not even close to being antipodes. According to mapquest.com, the closest city to Perth's antipode is Ensenada, New Mexico.  (You'll need to zoom out on the map link), and even that is too far away to be considered an accurate antipode. Orichalcon 17:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antipode Trivia 

message: Somehow, Perth failed to be included in Wikipedia:Version 0.5. I've nominated it to Wikipedia:Version 0.7. Regards Comte0 06:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Version 0.X 

message: This makes no sense to anyone who has no clue what Native Title means.  Please clarify the term Native Title if you know what it is. Dkriegls 08:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native Title 

message: Western Fury (state womens cricket team) needs to be added into the article - i dont want to take away its GA status - so i wont add it myself. Twenty Years 13:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Fury 

message: I looked at various other cities and they all have the time zones listed, but I don't know where to put it, and don't want to mess up the article. If anyone wants to know it is GMT+8. If someone could put it in that would be great --Fapmyster 13:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Zone

message: In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. Unfortunately, as of 
September 16, 
2007, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R. 
*Every statement that is likely to be challenged needs an inline citation.
Regards, Epbr123 17:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No wonder considering the ad hoc accretion of un-cited parephenalia into the article - the Perth project should be called on its slumber to cleanup the article SatuSuro 01:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The structure's kind of fallen apart and images are randomly scattered everywhere, that seems to be the main problems. I will do what I can in the next couple of weeks, there's no reason we can't get this back up there. Orderinchaos 06:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been working on those citations last week, the result being several red links left in the references and a couple of  in the article.  More specifically, I've corrected some numbers in the Demographics section, and I'm afraid that correctly sourcing the population by year infobox on its right will be a major headache. Comte0 (talk) 14:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA delisted

message: Some basic things that need fixing are:
*A proper summary section of the main History of Perth, Western Australia article
*Remove all the gallery sections and moving to commons all images not already there
*Clean up geography section, probably remove skyline section, remove CBD section and reformat relevant information.
*Move demographics section to level 3 under Geography.
*Remove Metropolitan Region Scheme section and include relevant information in Geography
*Create Level 2 section "Culture" and Combine Visual Arts and Performing Arts into one level 3 section, add a level 3 music section after moving three quarters of the listed music groups to Music of Perth and write the section in prose.
*Write sport section in prose rather than in list form
*Move native title section to Native title article and move relevant information to history section.
Other's thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 12:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All sound like good ideas. I think we should also try to look at FAs of similar size/importance cities such as Houston, Texas and Boston, Massachusetts and see what good ideas they present. Orderinchaos 13:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good - also anything to stop the ad hoc chaotic addition of everybodys backyard music group must be good SatuSuro 23:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Previously there was a list of musical acts from Western Australian - when the list was converted to the two categories; [Category: Western Australian musical groups] & [Category:Western Australian musical artists] - I kept a version of the list on my user page (as it included a number of Western Australian bands which didn't have specific articles - some of which are notable and others of which are not) - List of Western Australian Musical Acts.  There are some gaps in the list that I am endeavouring to fill (abiet slowly) but am happy if you want to copy those notable bands from Perth in the article - List of musical acts from Perth. Dan arndt 05:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes to the structure

message: :what the hell this city produces?what they live of?services, industries, financial sectors? what is the Gross Regional Product!
all this should be included in this section guys!any body has any info about Perth's Economy?EdwinCasadoBaez 04:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Perth metropolis/urban area would hardly warrant much of an economy section.  Its just place where people live and work.  Economy of Western Australia is the right place for this material.   —Moondyne 08:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy Sec

message: The recent edits to the demographic section  may or may not be correct in listing the Malaysians as the third largest group of "settlers". However by deleting reference to Italians and other southern Europeans it grossly distorts the situation where these ethnic groups are of very considerable importance in Perth. I would like somebody with access (and expertise) in the relevant statistics to have a look at setting the record straight. Paul Fisher (talk) 13:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Checking the source confirms that the edit was correct, though possibly it could be worded better - the apparent distortion is due to the fact that the number of Malaysian, South African and Italian  immigrants (only) is virtually identical. There is still reference to Italy in the article. Gazjo (talk) 06:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: Is this the original Perth?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LagosGuy (talk • contribs) 05:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that would be Perth, Scotland. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original?