Talk:Psittacus

message: I notice that all of the external links have been removed from this article. Is the aim of wikipedia not to create useful content for its visitors any more? Are the reasons behind the removal of these links of a political nature or a genuine attempt to improve wikipedia. I am not so sure. (Notting)
On what basis that the link to Tinkerbell webpage got removed?  By calling that as spam?
Can I judge who you are?  Tinkerbell link was the first external link placed into
this page a few years ago.
What is the
authority of that person and how much is his knowledge of keeping flighted parrot
at home? That he want all others to partake of his own ignorance? They burn books in the past.
So in modern times of Internet, bookburners turn to labelling stuff they dislike as 'spam'
and deleting offending links?
Is it because the way to keep a grey parrot (or any parrots) is to cut the wings
and take away flight from them and Tinkerbell webpage is heretical against that mindset?
That same mindset that also hold on to that long discarded set of  misbelief that height placement
of cage affect relationship of parrot?
121.210.208.39 00:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Restored. I cannot understand this myself. I looked into the history of my edits at this time period. I was tracking anon vandals from my watch list. Since wikipedia is a bit slowish, I usually open several windows for version comparisons. When this article was checked for suspect's contribs I most probably accidentally hit the "revert" button. I have absolutely no opinion about parrots and never edited pages about them. Sorry again. I will try harder to be more careful. mikka (t) 07:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: It is unbelieveable that www.theafricangreyparrot.com has been removed as an external link and yet http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/ remains.
One is a well built authorative site showing 2nd in google for the term "african grey parrot" with lots of informative articles and other resources. The other has some information and nice pictures.
www.theafricangreyparrot.com has been readded. I'll leave it to other members to decide whether the other site should stay.
--Notting
02/03/07
any reason as to why it has been removed - ive checked the guidelines and the site falls within them _ Notting
With due respect, http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/ is the only site that gave all the details on how to have and live with a flighted parrot. The training that is required, the environment that you need. That will enable people to stop cutting the wings and return the gift of flight back to the parrot. And enable them to take even more spectacular pictures of them and their greys. I do not pay money to Google and Tinkerbell webpage appear in the first page of Google search. There is nothing commercial in Tinkerbell site and I do not promote books that seem primarily to advocate that wings are to be cut or to advocate commercially prepared food. Do read more and you will find it contains a lot more than just 'some information and nice pictures'.
Shanlung 02:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I have removed two links (Information about Timneh African Greys and Information about Congo African Greys) which are local sales page with some additional information. The info is limited, and the main thing is to contact people for buying or selling birds. I think they are unappropriate as links for an encyclopedia article, see WP:EL. KimvdLinde 20:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Hey I recently restored the "African Grey Parrots as Pets" section of this article. Can anyone skilled in grammar and vocabulary check if the section's content contains any mistakes and enhance the section. By the way PLZ DON'T REMOVE THE INFORMATION ALREADY THERE. IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GET THOSE AND THEY ARE FROM VERIFIABLE SOURCES. Birdeditor 21:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm unable to check your references for that section. Could you provide references from reputable online sources. Oh and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT, it's rude. --Dv82matt 00:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Take it easy birdeditor. If they are reliable and verifiable sources, it is not likely that they will be removed, unless it reads like a howto guide to Greys, in that case, it is unencyclopedic. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 00:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I have trouble with this sentence: "While captive-bred birds usually assimilate into their new households with relative ease, wild-caught African Grey parrots require (which are no longer legally available in the US or EU) can be difficult or impossible to take to life in a cage as a 'pet' bird."   The part after the comma does not make much sense and I am not sure what is meant, so cannot correct it. 198.96.180.245 (talk) 15:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the sentence now reads "While captive-bred birds usually assimilate into their new households with relative ease, wild-caught African Grey parrots (which are no longer legally available in the US or EU) can find it difficult or impossible to adapt to life in a cage as a pet". That reads much better to me. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 16:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHECK OUT THE "AFRICAN GREYS AS PETS" SECTION 

message: Most of the information available in that section is taken from www.itsagreysworld.com, that site itself is owned by an experienced owner of multiple African Greys all of whom receive great individual attention according to the site. The site is contains some useful and genuine information and is very informative. The few remaining other sources are miscellaneous, and the information left by the contributor before me is not deleted. Birdeditor 21:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that it would be great if you would provide some referenced scientific material. Why not make a start? Snowman (talk) 10:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "African Grey Parrots as Pets" - "verifiable" sources 

message: I am again removing an external link that has ads, which makes it commercial. Forums, blogs, and bulletin boards are not good Wikipedia links either. Any domain that is added to multiple pages is spam. And the animal telepathy site is not encyclopedic. 
Wikipedia is not a link farm. DO NOT RE-ADD YOUR SITE. If your page is so noteworthy that it should be an exception to the spam and linkfarm policies, find a couple admins to review your site. Then one of them can add it back with an invisible note that it was added after review by an administrator. If I see that, I will leave it, although I can't speak for all the Wikipedia Project Spam editors (WP:WPSPAM). But it would probably be better to add content to the page rather than links. Pollinator 16:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed all of the external links as of today, and they all seem fine to me.  So, I'm removing the spam tag.  Cmichael 03:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I'd like to see a couple references to again, but I don't feel I have enough experience to do a major edit to an article such as this. Namely, I'm referring to the differences in appearance as CAG and TAG parrots age. After the first molt (around 12 months), tailfeathers grow back without black tips, but rather fully red. The iris slowly lightens from pure-black at hatch to bight yellow around 18 months. Also, vocalization in the form of human speech minicry typically develops around 12-18 months of age. Anybody feel up to it? Thadius856 18:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think life expectancy should appear somewhere too.  It's a more significant factor than some of the other information in the 'as a pet' section.  81.157.122.109 00:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its in there. --LiamE 03:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aging 

message: Would it be acceptable to play around with the idea of splitting this article up into more topics?
It seems "African Greys as Pets" is kind of a vague spectrum. In this portion of the article it covers history to care. I don't find it very organized at all.
I think perhaps it would be more appropriate if we seperated the article into a few different topics such as "Care and Grooming" (Or something like that) "Habits and Lifestyle" (You see what I'm getting at?)
I'm not saying any of the information should be dumped, but just seperated in a more organized way.
Anyone with me on this?
-Also, I may have pictures of baby CAGs if you think there is a place for them. 
Best Regards Le Peregrine 21:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I think we should keep the article in one piece, like I noted on your talk page, but the "African Greys as Pets" section should be seperated into subsections. I have tons of pictures as well, but lets worry about that for when we have a long enough article to fit a couple more pictures. thadius856talk 22:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see more pictures. Do you have a photograph of the eggs.  Snowman 16:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'd like to know... 

message: A copy of this article was moved to wikibooks using the Import tool (with all revisions). If this article was marked for copy to wikibooks or as containing how-to sections, it can now be safely rewritten.
If contributors are interested in expanding on the practical information that was in this article, please do so on the wikibooks side. For pointers on writing wikibooks, see Wikibooks:Wikibooks for Wikipedians. --SB_Johnny | talk | books 13:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notice of import

message: they eat artichokes, rice, chesnut, but many people say that hazelnut is poisonus for they . Are there references?
212.97.182.180 13:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  They eat 

message: See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Aviculture.  The purpose of this project is to help increase the amount and quality of content related to aviculture on wikipedia, and to maintain and organise articles relating to the subject, eventually bringing as many as possible up to good- or featured-article status. Snowmanradio (talk • contribs) 16:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aviculture WikiProject proposal 

message: "While comparative judgements of animal intelligence are always very difficult to make objectively..."
Wouldn't all comparative judgements be difficult to make objectively, by virtue of them being comparative and not objective?  Or am I totally off-piste here? 81.157.122.109 00:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup you are are a bit off on that. Whether or not a comparative judgement is objective or not depends simply on whether or not the subject being measured is being measured in objective terms. Lets say for instance we looked at a comparative temperatures for London and Moscow over a year the results would be objective as there is no confusion on how to measure temperature. On the other hand inteligence is far harder if not impossible to pin down. How do you compare Einstein to Da Vinci to Mozart? All geniuses in their fields to be sure but how would you objectively test that? Then try developing a test that thart a parrot can (or will) complete... Not easily done. --LiamE 03:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logic 

message: This page is on the way...added a description bit but I have run out of time for the mo'.
AFAICT - Needs a distribution section and surely there must be some meaty dna taxonomy info out there...and a bit of a tidy up of course. cheers,  Casliber | talk  |  contribs 19:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has far too much of a how to feel to the pet section to be a FA ATM. Titanium Dragon 04:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  .....................A potential FA canditate? 

message: The section on Grey Parrots as pets has way too much of a how to feel. It needs to be wikified or removed. Titanium Dragon 04:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much of a how to feel

message: Who decided on the one page policy that nothing with an advert can be used? That is not wikipolicy. Granted if the site's sole aim is to sell you stuff it should be removed pronto but what is with informative sites that have a bit of advertising being removed? May I point out that many of the most informative sites on the net are commercial and contain advertising. Should we remove every link and reference to the Newscientist, for example, as it tries to flog you a subscription on every page? Surely the criteria must be the strength of the info the link contains not whether it contains advertising. --LiamE 09:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree, this is typical wikipedian behavior here. chest pounding and quoting of "wikipedian policy". people use and abuse the "policy" to limit the site to what they wish it to be. if wikipedia were a commercial encyclopedia then maybe this would have some merit, but this is a communal project in which all points of view are to be shared, and providing legitimate external links pertaining to the subject is part of that process. i think the majority of people here are in consensus that it is a valid link and it is a small, but determined minority who keep removing the link. rather than asking why these anonymous editors keep deleting, lets just revert and replace. we already even have admin consensus that the links were ok.--71.205.253.125 (talk) 23:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Attack of the link Nazis

message: I'd like to discuss the spelling of the colour "gray" in the name "African Grey Parrot". I have never understood why gray is spelt "grey" in the name, since it is refering to the general colour of the bird. If anyone knows why this is so, can they please add information to the article? Thanks! --Adamd1008 (talk) 23:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It reflects the Commonwealth English  spelling of the colour. For more info check out American and British English spelling differences. The article was clearly started by someone using the Commonwealth spelling, although a glance at the article shows that some other editor has used American spellings (color). For consistencies sake the article should be edited to reflect one spelling, in most instances the spelling of the original editor(s) is  retained (in this case British). Sabine's Sunbird  talk 23:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It goes further than just Br Eng spelling in this case. Even in the USA the spelling "grey" is correct when referring to the parrot. Why I don't know, but it is. --LiamE (talk) 04:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour spelling 

message: My brother and I have recently outdoor free flight trained our congo African Grey. We are a commercial site but these three pages do not suggest to purchase anything.  Just great content.  Please have a look and let me know.  http://www.birdtricks.com/AfricanGreyParrots/congo-free-flight.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chet Womach (talk • contribs) 21:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting Review of My Link 

message: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/ap_on_fe_st/odd_japan_parrot_returns
Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 18:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grey parrot makes international news! 

message: Can the BBC be considered a reliable source on this?  Can African Grays read and write?  Can they write stories?  Can they carry on conversations actually at the level of a 6-year-old?  I mean, if they can learn to use language, then you could give one an IQ test.  Would one really score like an average 6-year-old?
Can somebody find a more credible source, or an explanation of what the claim is supposed to mean?  Mark Foskey (talk) 02:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The intelligence of a 6-year-old? 

message: Does anyone happen to have a GFDL/CC-licensed image of this colour mutation (or any of the other listed mutations for that matter)? I guess that if someone did, then it would probably be in the article already - but still, it would be a very interesting addition. Just a quick nudge. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red factor African Grey 

message: anyone know anything about what they mean
i have 2 african grey's and they'r bands have 4 letters and 5-7 numbers
and yeah those bands are put one by breeders
there are 2 types of rings / bands solid closed alminium and clammed rings (for putting on adaults)
Bands are not standardized. Breeders order bands with their codes. There used to be a web site listing breeders and codes, but last I checked it was defunct. Band information is often determined by the manufacturer. Often a breeder will use their initials or a few letters representing their aviary, a 2 digit year date and a chick sequence number--1, 2, 3, etc. Others simply have bands that run in sequence. Note that if there is a 2-digit year given, it may be inaccurate. If the breeder didn't order bands for 2009 yet and they need to band a chick, they may use last years--or one from 5 years ago! UnSpace (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  leg bands / rings 

message: Under the subject Noises for this article, "R. Parnefjord, MD, Ph.D." has inserted original research written in the first person, both of which do not comply with style guidelines. I believe everything after "...and any other electronic sound that is often heard by the parrot." should be removed.
SyntheticProsthetic (talk) 05:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noises 

message: Is it possible for anyone to give me some advise on the best foods to give my congo african grey parrot, she is 15years old and daily in a cage (because i work fulltime) I just want to give her the best affordable food.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.211.201 (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Try something like one third quality dry parrot feed, one thrid fruit - apples, bananas, grapes, whatever, and one third vegetables and greens - wahtever you have basically. Make sure you check up on what is poisonous - I cannot stress that highly enough. Also you need plenty of stuff for them to chew so it helps if you find a suitable tree you can get fresh chews from, again checking what is poisonous. Different birds like diffent things though and birds not used to a varied diet are often slow to adjust to it but it is worth persevering in the long run. --LiamE (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What foods do congo african grey parrots prefer (in captivity) 

message: This paragraph contains original work as source:
:One exceptionally talented African Grey is N'kisi, who in 2004 already was said to have a vocabulary of over 900 words and was noted for creative use of language, as had been Alex. For example, when Jane Goodall visited N'kisi in his New York home, he greeted her with "Got a chimp?" as he'd seen pictures of her with chimpanzees in Africa. His voice sounds so near to a human's that a conversation between him and his owner seems to be a chat between two women.
You should also take a look at the website used as reference. The website claims an existing telepathic link between the parrot N'kisi and Aimee Morgana... Come on. Correjon (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Current scientific concensus : there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all. Therefore the source is both original work and unreliable. Correjon (talk) 07:25, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original work? 

message: hi just a quick question our african grey ruby has just laid an egg but her pooh a funny colour its brown was wondering if this was normal  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.199.141 (talk) 14:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  african greys 

message: Citations of Pepperberg et al should link to www.alexfoundation.org. Pepperberg collaborated with various ornithologists (www.alexfoundation.org/papers/) Some researchers (e.g., Gagnon & Dor6,1992,1994; Pepperberg & Kozak, 1986; Triana & Pasnak, 1981; Wood et al., 1980).
IMPORTS: The USDA stopped importing African Greys in 1992 and has very limited records to identify birds.
For example a split ring stainless band on one leg with the state abbreviation and number will only tell you which state the bird came into, and that it was imported prior to 1992. Since these birds live such a long time, many are still alive and any birds born 1992 to present were hatched in the US from existing stock. I have contacted the USDA, and I know they could not tell me more than this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.97.197 (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations needed 

message: parino and incomplete ino, are the same mutation,
 par=partial, 
also the mutation names better be changed to the standard parrots naming.XP_2600 (talk) 00:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  mutations have to be reviewed 

message: I've heard these are long lived birds and was surprised the article says nothing about this. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too! A small amount of longevity info added. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text: The longevity entry says the longest reliably recorded longevity is 4 years. I had a hamster that lived longer than that. Looks like a typo. Perhaps should be 40 years? ~madmax  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.97.133.244 (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long lived?