Talk:Andrey Kolmogorov

message: With very few exceptions. recommend to chage it; it's confusing to have a little used spelling. Boodlesthecat (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Universally spelled "Andrei"

message: Okay, I think this one has already been unanimously decided that Kolmogorov should be used.  Nevertheless, a lot of old references used Kolmogoroff, and so therefore do a few new ones that cite old references....
Just thought it should be mentioned for completeness ;-)
—DIV (128.250.204.118 09:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kolmogorov or Kolmogoroff

message: On the pronunciation question - it is true that unstressed 'o' in Russian comes out more like 'a' (well, short British 'a', anyway).
Charles Matthews 20:47, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Usually, this is called akanie.--Imz 17:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: pronunciation question

message: I personally don't have an opinon and don't know if the allegations of homosexuality are true or not. Obviously, 194.154.84.35 believes they are untrue. Homosexuality in USSR was persecuted (AFAIK a few years in jail). If true, KGB must have known of it. Considering that neither one of them was persecuted, 194.154.84.35 might have a point. I can't find anything useful in google to confirm the allegations. User:Pyrop: can you actually produce some sort of evidence for your assertions? I am sure you can't produce eye witness accounts, so maybe instead of describing the issue as fact you can describe it as an allegation with references to the sources? Like, "such and such alleges that ...". See WP:NPOV. --Gene s 07:53, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This controversiary info removed by myself until it is proved. Friendship and living in one house does not always mean sex, right? Cmapm 13:27, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: I personally think there was just misunderstanding, the synonims of "sex": "pol", "polovoj" were wide-spread in SU. I agree that some of my arguments are my personal POV, I didn't search for any statistical data, because it's not the article "Sex in Soviet Union" :-) so it isn't worth of serious research. Cmapm 14:06, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it was a misundng, but not what you think. In SU "seks" was a taboo word. When this poor lady called a huge uproar of laughter in the audience by saying that "there is no sex in soviet union" for the whole world to hear, she meant to say that Soviet people were good and decent people of high morality, no one cheated their spouses, that there was no this kind of "bourgeois decay" called by this filthy word "seks". Mikkalai 00:56, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Remove. "Disputed" means rumors. There is no place in encyclopedia for rumors, unless a person was of importance for gays in some respect. Also, they were added there by user pyrop, who failed to defend his case here, hence no grounds to list in a list. You cannot put something in a list without having this in the directly related article. Mikkalai 00:46, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: These "hints" are bullshit. There are plenty of people all over the world of long lasting and fulfilling friendship without sex; even between men and women. Unless there is a direct evidence, this will not go into the article. Mikkalai 19:50, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On homosexuality

message: The Kolmogorov referenced in van Heijenoort published his paper in 1925, which means that that Andrei K. would have been 22 when the paper was published, let alone submitted (given he was born in 1903). Considering the profound complexity of the paper around the use of the law of excluded middle its hard to believe they came from the same man. However van Heijenoort noted that "professor Kolmogorov signified his acceptance" when the paper was published in van Heijenoort. Perhaps they are father and son?  Can someone please confirm? Thanks, I need this for a bio re Brouwer. wvbaileyWvbailey 19:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Are there two mathematicians named Andrei Nikolaevich Kolmogorov?

message: The "Lenin prize" article does not cite Kolmogorov!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockslave (talk • contribs) 00:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent with another article

message: The following material has recently been deleted from the page: "In the 1930s, Kolmogorov participated in an ideological harrassment campaign against his former teacher Nikolai Luzin. Kolmogorov was involved in a homosexual relationship with Alexandrov at the time," due to duplication of material.  Not all of it is currently available in the current version.  Tkuvho (talk) 15:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is Graham, Loren R.; Kantor, Jean-Michel (2009). Naming infinity: a true story of religious mysticism and mathematical creativity. Harvard University Press. p. 185. . "The police soon learned of Kolmogorov and Alexandrov's homosexual bond, and they used that knowledge to obtain the behavior that they wished. When the police asked Kolmogorov and Alexandrov to join in attacking Luzin, they did so."  This is a widely acclaimed book by recognized scholars.  I have not checked yet but I assume we have a page for at least one of them, or should at any rate.  Tkuvho (talk) 13:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The source mentioned seems to be reliable; however, it would be more credible if this sort of personal matter is supported by more than one independent source. Salih (talk) 15:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The other source is ">   Tkuvho (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The gay thirties 

message: Somehow "set theory" did not make it to the list of things he is "known for".  Should this be added?  Tkuvho (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  set theory 

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message: A number of reliable sources say as much; I came across an extensive discussion in Masha Gessen's _Perfect Rigor_, which takes K's homosexuality as a given, and quotes numerous people talking about his relationship with Alexandrov. e.g.,
“The strange story of the specialized math schools goes back to Andrei Kolmogorov. Having been so essential to the war effort during World War II, Kolmogorov alone among the top Soviet mathematicians avoided being drafted into the postwar military effort. His students always wondered why—and the only likely explanation seems to be Kolmogorov's homosexuality. His lifelong partner, with whom he shared a home starting in 1929, was the topologist Pavel Alexandrov. Five years after the couple started living together, the Soviet Union criminalized male homosexual ity, but Kolmogorov and Alexandrov, who exercised minimal discretion—they called each other "friends" but made no secret of the life-shaping nature of their relationship—apparently had no trouble with the law. The academic world accepted them as a pair, if not a couple: they generally requested academic appointments together, booked their accommodations together at Academy of Sciences resorts, and made donations to military relief efforts together.”
and
“Kolmogorov himself referred to his students affectionately as "my boys," reporting to Alexandrov, in a letter from a trip taken with his students in 1965, "In just three hours at an elevation of 2400 meters all my boys got so badly sunburned (parading around in their swimming trunks or without them) that they could barely sleep for two nights following." The casual happy homoeroticism of Kolmogorov's view of his students seemed to come from an entirely different time and place. Before the Iron Curtain sealed off the Soviet Union from the rest of the world, Kolmogorov and Alexandrov had done some traveling. Alexandrov, who was seven years older, had traveled extensively before the two met, but the pair spent the 1930–1931 academic year abroad, some of it together. They started out in Berlin, where all culture, and gay culture in particular, was flourishing. They imported all they could: books, music, ideas. "Interesting that this idea of a truly beloved friend seems to be purely Aryan: The Greeks and the Germans seem always to have had it," Alexandrov wrote to Kolmogorov in 1931, a few years before the reference to Aryans would have had a different connotation. "The theory[…]”
It seems from reading below that there are at least two other articles independently discussing this core feature of K's life. Whether he's be "classified" as gay under 21st Century terms, it's clear that the relationship with Alexandrov was unusually intimate, close, and erotic. 173.71.191.135 (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most certainly K was homosexual