Talk:Delphic Sibyl

message: Shouldn't "Oracle at Delphi" redirect to "Phythia" rather than the Delphic Sibyl?  If someone is searching for "Oracle at Delphi," they are almost certainly looking for Pythia.  Otherwise, we need a disambiguation page for Oracle at Delphi rather than a simple redirect to this page. ZG 13:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: Maybe it's sensible that the article Sibyl does not mention this article, since:
*It tells us that the Pythia at Delphi was "Delphica."
*It tells us that Delphi was a "Greek colony".
*It tells us that "prophecies" were written on bay leaves.
*It tells us that the Delphic Sibyl was "among the most admired of the Sibyls because of her physical and ideal beauty." 
:::Oi!--Wetman 04:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the "among the most admired of the Sibyls because of her physical and ideal beauty!" It's from the Vatican Museum—always so dependable in reading Greek mythology—site on Michelangelo's Sibyls in the Sistine Chapel: Vatican Museums. You just can't get there from here! --Wetman 04:45, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors and NPOV

message: (1) The discussion of this topic on today's Diane Rehm Show on National Public Radio.  The audio archive should be posted at http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/06/03/13.php#9773 at approximately 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.
(2) The book by the interviewee on the above-referenced radio program, namely, The Oracle: The Lost Secrets and Hidden Messages of Ancient Delphi, by William J. Broad.
(3) One or more of the research sources cited by Mr. Broad, e.g. DeBoer JZ, Hale JR, Chanton J. 2001, New Evidence for the Geological Origins of the Ancient Delphic Oracle (Greece),” from Geology; Spiller HA, Hale JR, DeBoer JZ. 2002, “The Delphi Oracle: A Multidisciplinary Defense of the Gaseous Vent Theory,” from Journal of Toxicology-Clinical Toxicology; and/or Hale JR, DeBoer J, Chanton J, and Spiller H. 2002, “New Evidence for the Geological Origin of the Delphic Oracle: Active Faults, Gaseous Emissions, and Architectural Anomalies in the Temple of Apollo,” from Conference abstract, 103rd Annual Meeting of the Archeological Institute of America.
Suburban 17:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three suggested reference links 

message: Pausanias, a Romanized Greek, visited a much diminished Delphi in the 2nd century AD. Listen to his garbled understanding from his Description of Greece(10.12.1):
:"There is a rock rising up above the ground. On it, say the Delphians, there stood and chanted the oracles a woman, by name Herophile and surnamed Sibyl. The former Sibyl I find was as ancient as any; the Greeks say that she was a daughter of Zeus by Lamia, daughter of Poseidon, that she was the first woman to chant oracles, and that the name Sibyl was given her by the Libyans."
Anyone care to set this quote in context of the Delphic "Sibyl"? --Wetman 06:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pausanias

message: Well, I just removed some of the more glaring errors from this article, but a lot remains to be done. I'm thinking that the article should be moved to Pythia; "Sibyl" isn't used of the Delphic oracle until the Roman period.
After that, the article should be re-written/expanded to:
1) give some impression of the oracle's role in Greek culture & history: it was consulted before colonial expeditions went out, before major changes in city law-codes, to ask whether a new cult should be founded, during major political crises (see Herodotus), by individuals like Socrates and Xenophon. (some of this material is in the main Delphi article, but more detail can be provided here)
2) cover the Delphic oracle in literature: it shows up briefly in Iliad, central in Aeschylus' Oresteia, Sophocles Oedipus, etc.
3) have a detailed section on the elaborate ritual of consulting the oracle, and the nature of the Pythia's prophecies: did she speak gibberish that was interpreted by the prophetai, or did she give prophecies herself? Was she in a frenzy, high on ethylene, or did she appear calm and rational? (Despite the recent articles in Nature and National Geographic, this is still a wide-open question.)
Perhaps this article should be moved to Pythia and there should be a main Delphic Oracle page. I'll wait for feedback before I move the page...
--Akhilleus (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ugh! 

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*Support This is the wrong name. The Sibyl was at cumae, and her imitators claimed to be Italian. Septentrionalis 05:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: After determining that the Pythia and Sibyl are different figures (see discussion above, especially the very helpful quote from Potter provided by Wikiklrsc), I moved the Pythia material from this article to the Pythia article, which had been a redirect page until that point. I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, but I'm very confident that the Sibyl is not the Pythia, and I wanted to remove this confusion from Wikipedia ASAP.
--Akhilleus (talk) 06:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Akhilleus. Thanks for the move. I may be putting some more material in the articles, but it all looks very well. Well done ! See my new information above from a night's reading in the library. I finally got my hands on Potter's book, etc. Great to collaborate. WP at its best. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 07:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: There's still a lot of confusion here because on the Delphi page and discussion page, "Delphic Sibyl" is treated as a fiction created later. The greatest confusion is that in the Heracles article, Heracles is described as being given instructions by the Delphic Sibyl, and there is a link to the The_Twelve_Labours, and in THAT article, Heracles is said to have been instructed by the Oracle, and there is no reference to the Sibyl. Confusion! 203.122.211.118 05:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads-up. --Akhilleus (talk) 06:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request cancelled; material moved to [[Pythia]]

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