Talk:Chief executive officer

message: There's a lot of discussion about the quality of the article, but I think the best improvement would be to rewrite it in English, not corporate-speak. I came here to get an idea about what the duties of a CEO are, and I learned they are, in part, to "coordinate external initiatives at a high level." What? That's business-school jargon reminiscent of emails from the corporate office that say a lot, but don't communicate much. I could try to decipher it, I suppose, but I'd rather just have a clear explanation in plain English. Paul M. Parks (talk) 01:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Clarity 

message: Here and here are quotable sources and here and here are helpful sources. --Espoo (talk) 18:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the term CEO more  recent than president? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  difference between CEO and president 

message: I'm working on the improvement of this and related articles, specifically Board of directors and Chairman. Their topics are all interrelated, and involve the top-level governance of organizations. IMHO the articles are or have been pretty weak. One problem is that good sources (as opposed to numerous sources) are hard to find. Another is that relatively few editors have first-hand knowledge of these matters. I have a LOT of first-hand experience with them, mostly in small and mid-sized nonprofits. I'm being bold in my efforts, so I'm sorry if I've unintentionally stepped on anyone's toes. All suggestions, references, etc. are welcome. --Lou Sander (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement project 

message: I deleted this and a similar term, since they are not referenced, are unfamiliar to me (a person with reasonable expertise in the field), and do not appear in the references cited in the article. Their meaning seems to be something more akin to the head of a committee rather than to a single chief executive. Please discuss this further on this page before restoring these terms to the article. Lou Sander (talk) 02:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chief Executive Committee 

message: This article is written from a US perspective. I have no issue with that, but the way it deals with the very different UK usaages for related titles is confusing. I have added a change and paragraph to show how UK charitable usage is different, but I think there needs to be some general restructuring  to improve clarity. ids tehre an HR professional who could set out UK usage with greater clarity? The Yowser (talk) 09:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Usage 

message: I'm drafting a revision to the 'Responsibilities' ("Duties") section and want to lay out my ideas here.
I believe CEOs are specifically responsible for four areas: Strategy, Culture, Budget, and the Senior Team.
Specifics (e.g., board relationships; hiring; compliance) can fit under these headings.
* For Strategy:
Peter Drucker's last unfinished work was on defining the role of the CEO.  He wrotehttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB113207479262897747.html that only the CEO can "answer the key questions: 'What is our business? What should it be? What should it not be?'"
References I suggest include Drucker's 2004 Wall Street Journal article "The American CEO" (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113207479262897747.html) and the 2009 HBR article "What Only the CEO Can Do" (http://hbr.org/2009/05/what-only-the-ceo-can-do/ar/1) by A.G. Lafley, CEO of Procter & Gamble since 2000.
* For Culture, I would quote Kotter and Schein.
* For Budget, I have no ideas for specific sources yet.
* For Senior Team, I would return to Kotter and Schein.
Thoughts?
Tom Cox (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  For "Duties" I Suggest a strong Drucker and HBR slant 

message: I think it would be fantastic to add additional information on the gender statistics of CEO positions. Whether they are added by country or continent. It would also be helpful to see the wage gap among CEO's that are men and women and to read the ratio of men to women statistics for CEO positions. A section on how things used to be in the 1950's when women started entering the work force to now could also be useful.
Nrudisill (talk) 02:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  CEO gender statistics 

message: Over the last ten years, many Executive Directors have lobbied their boards (usually a board of trustees) to have their titles changed to CEO, probably because they view it as more prestigious than the older Executive Director title. I'm not sure where to find secondary sources to back up this observation, so I will refrain from editing the article. 65.123.43.130 (talk) 15:36, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  CEOs and non-profits in the US 

message: It's pretty self-evident. The section currently starts by making a absolute judgement call about executive pay in the US. Can't find anything neutral about the first paragraph. 128.84.124.69 (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to have just been added today. The numbers appear to be imaginary, and the rest is just commentary. I've removed it. Kuru (talk) 01:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Dispute - Characteristics 

message: When did the title CEO first start being used? WHat is the history behind this term? 144.171.138.171 (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need historical background 

message: Characteristics is a weird name for that section. I'm splitting into two sections, Statistics and Famous CEOs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.113.225 (talk) 02:11, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Which means that the statistics that are in the lead have been in the article for  long time (I didn't go back and check, but at least since some time before the split by 76.71.113.225. Sjö (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Characteristics section is badly named and should be split into different sections 

message: The added gender "statistic" in the introduction of the wiki is completely out of place.
There is no valid reason as to why there would be a reference to the number of females CEOs at Fortune 500 companies.
This wiki is strictly about what a chief executive officer is, does, encompass and what their roles are.
I see the addition of this sentence more as a political statement rather than a productive/informational one.
Even if the statistic was meant to be informative, it would still be inappropriate considering that it referenced solely the Fortune 500 companies, which is far from representative of reality, but also because this wiki has nothing to do with statistics especially considering that nothing in this wiki suggests that it is talking about a collective of CEOs rather than a generic take on the role of a CEO.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.5.133 (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems perfectly reasonable to me - its highly relevant -----Snowded TALK 18:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's totally irrelevant, as the IP says. Why single out 'gender' as opposed to any one of a hundred other characteristics? It would be far more relevant to reference academic qualifications. This modern virtue-signalling obsession with 'gender' should have no place in an encyclopaedia. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 19:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

text: I can't think of a solid counter-argument for including it in an encyclopedia. It's the sort of stuff you often see in newspapers, and let's face it - it's POV. To include such a selective statistic is in effect saying 'how bad is it that 'only' such-and-such a percent of whatever occupation you care to mention, are women'. And where does it end? Why not detail the percentage of homosexual CEOs, or non-white CEOs, or anything else? And what about this one: Waste_collector. I've never yet seen a female bin collector. There's a sickening lack of women doing that job, but I don't see a mad scramble to document the percentages here or anywhere else. 78 - I suggest you wait a couple more days to see what anyone else might have to say about it, and then, in the absence of solid counter-arguments, remove the material. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 21:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Souced material relating to ethnic or other diversity is obviously relevant.  Academic qualifications as well - the absence of data does not justify removing material.  We also have a couple of largely single purpose recently created Its here.  That doesn't constitute consensus for change.   If you really feel strongly raise an RfC and post notices on relevant boards -----Snowded TALK 11:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It's not relevant in the context of this article. Including the statistic is bringing the article, and to a certain extent Wikipedia itself, down to the level of the Guardian or the BBC, where there's an unhealthy obsession with political correctness. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 11:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that makes your position clear - Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs,  The fact that people like the BBC regard such things as important is a reliable source for inclusion -----Snowded TALK 11:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It does. I'm against the stats being included, so that's my !vote. If we can get consensus here there will be no need for an RfC or notice board postings. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't get consensus with a couple of SPAs I'm afraid and we don't vote we follow guidelines and there reliable sources count more than your political opinions -----Snowded TALK 12:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple of things - who are the two SPAs? I can only see one possibility, and it isn't me. Secondly, the current source is a blog with a clear political agenda, so at the very least a reputable source needs to be found. Regardless, the issue is one of context, not especially sourcing. BTW, I said 'not-vote' (!vote) and not 'vote'. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 12:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Two at 78 and you've only been editing for a couple of days on a very limited range of articles, but you seem familiar with aspects of wikipedia - have you ever edited before? -----Snowded TALK 12:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I've been editing since 2004. Thousands of edits and almost 100 articles created. I put my user account into cold storage about 18 months ago to experiment as an IP editor, primarily to understand the difficulties this class of editor encounters. Here are my last two IPs: User:31.52.166.114, User:31.52.165.201. Anyway, let's see what other opinions, if any, we obtain. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Then you need to provide full links on the talk pages of the accounts and a link to the user account.  -----Snowded TALK 20:02, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but there's no policy stating that. And I'm certainly not going to link these IPs, or any others, to my user account. When I resume editing from the account (in the not too distant future) I will no longer be an "IP". 31.52.166.58 (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Editing with multiple accounts is problematic - you at least need to declare this to an admin -----Snowded TALK 18:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

text: The statistic mentioned is well sourced, and Wikipedia is a collection of sourced information. If information is found which contradicts this then this should be added as well, even if this is contrary to the views of the reader. The reader can then read the assembled information and take a view. We must be sure that the presence, location and style of information does not give undue weight. (See WP:UNDUE). In this case, I think that having the information in the lede could be considered undue weight, but to remove the information entirely would be at odds with the majority view. A separate heading may be more appropriate, and more than two sentences might be useful. AJ2265 (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

text: If you have well sourced material that relates to aspects of CEO performance then we can look at it. -----Snowded TALK 18:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

text: The source is reporting facts and as such it is reliable - its not an opinion.  S&P 500 is significant, happy to add more.   We can add a date to the reference - that is very common on wikipedia.  CEOs are leaders so gender balancece is highly relevant.  We can of course add other roles, ethnic background etc. -----Snowded TALK 21:50, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If The Sun reports a 'fact' is it reliable? 31.52.166.58 (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

text: You appear to be on a mission.   In respect of your comments above sexual orientation and ethnic origin might also be appropriate.   It's very common to provide such data on articles of this nature as roles like these are part of wider society issues...    Two IPs (one an SPA) on a mission is not enough to overturn material such of this and several editors have now expressed an opinion.  If you want to keep going then raise an RfC -----Snowded TALK 18:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I will not debate with you further on this matter. See WP:NPA and Ad hominem. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of CEO Gender statistics 

message: A somewhat arbitrary removal by an IP without an explanation; I can't see any reason for removal and in effect two editors (with more than 6 days edit history) support those changes.  So unless there is some reasonably argument and wider support for the removal I'll reinstate it tomorrow unless someone else does it first -----Snowded TALK 19:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of new sections on Executive compensation and diversity 

message: Perhaps an artificial intelligence section can be integrated to the article (after adding more sources and info) ?
According to Jack Ma, an AI CEO is still 30 years away (so available by 2047).In 30 years, the best CEO could be a robot It has been mentioned that all necessary mathematical solutions and logical apparatus for creating such a machine already exist. However, we currently still lack some of the key technologies needed for creating the complete intelligent machine. Also, the already available separate technologies have not yet been combined to produce a finished product.Can’t find a perfect CEO? Create an AI one yourself
Personally, I don't really think it's actually going to replace human CEO's (by 2047) completely, but rather simply "assist" humans in the decision-making process in corporations. So, at least one admin, and perhaps additional people (or a board) would then make decisions together with the AI. This seems logical, since AI is already being used by companies in some degree. I can't find sufficient sources to improve the section though, so it needs to improved by someone else first (befor inclusion to article).
Genetics4good (talk) 11:29, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Artificial intelligence

message: I am disappointed to find there is no history section in this article. Who was the first CEO? When and where was the term first used? When did it become commonplace for businesses to have CEOs? These are questions that the article should answer. 1.136.108.137 (talk) 23:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of CEO 

message: The term managing director redirects to CEO without explaining that the two titles are not synonyms.
In the two tier system managing director would be the same as a CEO, but the title managing director is not used as such.
But companies with a one tier system, have board of directors that combine executive directors and non executive directors.
In that case managing director would have the duties comparable to a CEO, but would also always have a seat and vote on the board of directors.
So I would say that the difference between a managing director and a CEO would be, that managing director always implies a seat on the board of directors, a significant difference.Jochum (talk) 14:52, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Managing Director 

message: we have a red link to Chief people and culture officer (CPCO). Is it a definable concept? If not, then the redirect should be done or red links to be unlinked Estopedist1 (talk) 06:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chief people and culture officer? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below.  Dekimasuよ! 10:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Chief executive officer →  – CEO is WP:COMMONNAME more then Chief Executive Officer as per Google Ngram Viewer ... Roma enjoyer (talk) 08:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose - As those above have said, simply because CEO may be the most common name does not make it the most appropriate title, as CEO could refer to any number of other things. Would also suggest/support snow/speedy close assuming comments after mine lead to that conclusion (which I presume they will). Estar8806 (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 March 2023 

message: In this article there is not a single mention of CTO (Chief Technology Officer). 90.146.107.73 (talk) 16:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  CTO? 

message: it means managing director 102.90.57.67 (talk) 14:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  MD