Talk:Hour record

message: We need to figure out the situation with the two record tables. The top table showing "example record times and equipment" already includes voigt as the curent record holder, but then we have teh table of record holders further down. Im not convinced in the use of the "example records" table as its just going to lead to two tables being constantly maintained, and the only extra info in there is bike type, which can easily be covered in the descriptive text of the hour. Dimspace (talk) 20:51, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  maybe just remove the second entry for each rider, so we reduce it in total to maybe 7-8 records, taking out the second moser, second obree, second boardman etc. It is only meant to be an "example" table, not a full table of all records. Dimspace (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate record tables 

message: how about incorporating female record holders, which have included the great Jeannie Longo?
:Great idea. Go for it! adamrice 13:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Females 

message: my other comment is to opine that the noteworthiness of G Obree was not the homemade bike aspect but more that he was a non TDF outsider--Billymac00 00:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obree 

message: The article says that Merckx did his hour record toward the end of his career when in fact in 1972 he was just around the middle of his career. While he had already won four editions of the Tour de France and three of the Giro d'Italia, he was still in the midst of dominating the sport and would win a further four grand tours at that stage not to mention one world championships, three Milan San Remos, one Paris-Roubaix etc. As Merckx'es career ended in spring of 1978 his hour record attempt would have been toward the end of his career if he attempted it in 1975, in my opinion.--Dawesaudax (talk) 06:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ive also removed boardman as he attempted it through his entire career, Indurain is debatable as he won a tour after the hour.. Only really moser and voigt were actually at career end and that is hardly enough to define the hour as "usually being attempted by riders at the end of their career"Dimspace (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And now we have riders going for it early im their career :D Dimspace (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Merckx/End of Career

message: If you are going to include the 1980 Ron Skarin & Eric Hollander tandem record, you ought to include the conventional record that it beat:
49.991km set in Milan by Bill Paul and Ernie Mills </em>in 1936 - 44 years earlier (and still standing in 1998 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/185129.stm ).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.133.145 (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tandem

message: Hi gang, I don't have access to public domain pictures or the skills to add them in Wiki's current editor, but this article would really benefit from some pictures, particularly of the different technologies used in the different classes. Off to a good start though. Maybe Adam Cuerden can dig up some shots of the old timers from the past. Cheers Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures: 

message: The table Hour record-holders and dates is not formatting quite right for me. I don't see what is messed up in the markup but the c and d columns are not seperated. Note this on is FireFox. XFEM Skier (talk) 04:28, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hour record-holders and dates table 

message: I would order the article now as follows:
History</br>
UCI Hour Record</br>
- mens record holders (both tables hidden)</br>
- Womens record holders (both tables hidden)</br>
Unified Rule Change</br>
- mens attempts followed by table</br>
- womens attempts followed by able</br>
Historic records</br>
- mens</br>
- womens</br>
Will have a look at it after dinner :D
Dimspace (talk) 22:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , that looks good and logical, i'm going to go through the prose and see if I can trim extraneous info - then thats me done for today! XyZAn (talk) 22:20, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've trimmed the prose a bit and sub-divided it into the specific historical periods, i.e, Merckx vs Moser and Obree vs BoardmanXyZAn (talk) 22:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Where are we on the inclusion of images from newspaper archives. I have to admit, uploading images to Wiki baffles me. But for instance, contemporary newspaper report of Van Oosten's record in 1978 http://zoeken.krantenbankzeeland.nl/issue/pzc/1978-09-18/edition/0/page/16?query=Keetie%20Van%20Oosten&period=1978&sort=relevance Dimspace (talk) 22:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, , I have no idea - it's not something I've done before and I'm not sure what we'd need to do to keep all the copyright people happy etc XyZAn (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

text: I recommend you check out WP:IUP. I would also say that in general no as the images are probably copyrighted and the copyright has probably not expired. But the location of publication might affect all of these. XFEM Skier (talk) 19:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   - yeh, i had a read through that. The particular images i was thinking about would be "scans" of contemporary news reports from back along, which possibly could fall under "fair use". I may actually just contact the newspaper in question directly and see what their position is on it. it technically wouldnt be reproduction of an image directly, but reproduction of a newspaper article containing an image for instance http://i59.tinypic.com/karyuq.png. bit complicated, think i will contact the publishers directly and see how they view it :D Dimspace (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   My understanding of fair use is that if we were discussing the article we could use a copy of it, but just as part of a related article it probably won't fly. Certainly if you can get the paper to agree to release the copyright than that would be great. But they will need to release the copyright to wikipedia which might be troublesome. XFEM Skier (talk) 23:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup and restructuring 

message: The 1972 record should appear with the Historical hour records. The following section can mention 1972 but should focus primarily on records set from 1984 with new technology. This is the key division between sections. The arrangement of the pictures should reflect this too.
--Darrelljon (talk) 22:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 

message: Reading the sections and age groups for UCI Masters records, I wonder why Voigt's and Wiggins' (and Toft's, if a record in a higher age group doesn't count toward a younger one) distances don't count towards their respective age groups. There are no references to rules for these records, which makes it look weird. What are the rules? 212.237.134.38 (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules for UCI Masters 

message: There is an hour record on penny-farthing, governed by Guinness. It's also held indoors. Even though it isn't governed by UCI it's a bicycle. It should be part of the article. 185.18.60.184 (talk) 07:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other bicycle types 

message: I have a feeling the answer will be no, but should Oliver Bridgewood of GCN's hour record attempt be incorporated on this page? TGRFAN (talk) 20:15, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an interesting story, but until the UCI verify that he has set a record, it doesn't belong in the article. --Find bruce (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oliver Bridgewood's attempt at beating Merckx 

message: I have removed :Dan Bigham's ride from the table "Men's UCI hour record attempts". It was a great ride but was not a UCI attempt because he didn't have the £8,000 it would cost for a :biological passport etc.   I have added a paragraph to the section on the UCI requirements with reference to his ride. :Molly Shaffer Van Houweling had the same issue back in 2015 . --Find bruce (talk) 00:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dan Bigham 

message: I see we have a new record! I'll try to get the plot updated in the next few weeks (unfortunately I can't do it right away, it requires some manual tweaking to prevent overlaps). --Falcorian (talk) 21:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- Falcorian (talk) 21:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellen van Dijk Record 

message: Hi all. WRT FL Dodds, one of the three men who may have set the 'first' (paced) Hour Record, could we talk about his identity? For several years now it has been assumed he was an American called Frank and that claim has been passed down from one source to the next, making it true through repetition. The reality is he was a Briton called Frederick Lindley. There is hard evidence backing this up: George Lacy Hillier, who was first to claim Dodds set the first Hour record (a decade and a half after the fact and based on an estimated distance covered in a race) tells us Dodds was at that time a student of Trinity College, Cambridge and later a resident of Stockton-on-Tees; the 'Alumni Cantabrigienses' (a sort of 'Who's Who' of Cambridge students) lists only one FL Dodds as a student of the university when Dodds's record was set, Frederick Lindley Dodds, of Stockton-on-Tees. The mere fact that a load of books have passed down one from the next the claim that Dodds was an American called Frank should not be sufficient to stop us from correcting an error. Cycling history is riddled with hand-me-down 'facts' that are wrong. That is unfortunate but that is the way it is. Mallon and Heijmans's 'Historical Dictionary of Cycling' (a cited source for Dodds being an American called Frank) got a lot wrong. It says the first women's Hour Record was set by Hélène Durieu (sic). You accept research that contradicts that claim and shows that Mlle de Saint-Sauveur (first name unknown) actually set the first women's Hour Record and that 'Durieu' is actually Hélène Dutrieu. So, can we talk about giving FL Dodds his true identity? For more on the research here see this FMK RoI (talk) 15:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds a lot like original research. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarises what the [[WP:RS| say. User generated content such as that blogpost are not generally considered reliable sources.  Is there a reliable source that sets out the information you think should be included? Find bruce (talk) 21:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  FL Dodds