Talk:Suyab

message: I need help in identifying and englishing several Chinese names mentioned in the Russian-language texts which I translate below: 
"In 748 Suyab was destroyed by the military governor of Baichin (Beshbalik) whose name was Van Chenzian (Ван Чженцянь). The Chinese traveller Du Huan (Ду Хуань), who visited Suyab ca. 750, found among the ruins the still-functioning monastery Dayun (Даюнь), where Princess Tziaohe (Цзяохэ) used to dwell".
"The inscription [found by archaeologists in Suyab] mentions the governor's aide, whose name was Du Huai (Ду Хуай). He was in charge of the castle of Suyab in the 680s and erected fortified walls around the so-called Khitan quarter". --Ghirla-трёп- 19:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese sources 

message: The version of the article endorsed by me is this one. I have no control over Eiorgiomugini's subsequent edits which spawn numerous questions, for instance:
1. What is a "Hu" merchant? The link leads us nowhere in particular.
2. Why should Suyab be replaced with Talas, and my external link to an academic reference be replaced with the reference to Eiorgiomugini's favorite Chinese book? The reference quoted by me alludes to Suyab and not Talas. I can tell the difference. I don't see why the Chinese reference should be preferred to the Kyrgyz one.
3. The western capital of the khaganate was Navekat, and it was excavated by Soviet archaeologists. I don't see why we should introduce the subject into this article with the name of Taskent, a then-obscure locality whose present name appeared in the 11th century. 
4. I also can't see why we should reproduce unreadable hierogliphs every time we mention Talas. Please provide the Chinese spelling in the article about Talas (if you are so sure it will be tolerated there) and be done with it. This is English wikipedia, not the Chinese one.
5. Why do you keep replacing "abandoned" with "aabandoned" or "the Tang Dynasty" with "the China"? What is the China? The logic of these substitutions escapes me. --Ghirla-трёп- 21:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions for Eiorgiomugini 

message: The Chinese traveller Du Huan, who visited Suyab ca. 750, found among the ruins the still-functioning Buddhist monastery, where a Chinese princess used to dwell.
As far as I can tell there's no princess that ever married to the western qaghans nor dwell in sayab. Read The History of Chinese Heqin () by Cui Mingde. Eiorgiomugini 08:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you have access to Chinese sources, you may find the text of his account and check what he was talking about. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Not all books have ISBNs, you know. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Was she a princess from Jiaohe? Your phrasing seems to imply that Jiaohe was her name. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Why don't you start a page about that city? --Ghirla-трёп- 09:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Du huan and princess 

message: Concerning this edit. Don't you agree that the city was settled primarily by Soghdians? --Ghirla-трёп- 09:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know the difference between these? Both are Iranian and very similar, in fact. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soghdians 

message: I'm trying to unravel the phrase "when the Chinese court decided to replace Sulu to the position of puppet qaghan Ashina Xian". What actually happened then? Was Sulu appointed a puppet khagan of the Turks instead of Ashina Xian?  --Ghirla-трёп- 10:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to rephrase it to make it more clear. --Ghirla-трёп- 10:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting war 

message: Well, I must said that this article is far from satisfied. Could anyone else please translate the cyrillic references into this English Wikipedia? Eiorgiomugini 11:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what "cyrillic references"? We try to avoid non-English references for perfeclty mainstream statements that can easily be sourced to an English language publication, but if some particular point has been made by a Russian scholar, in Russian, there is absolutely nothing wrong with citing that publication. As a service to the reader, the titles cited may still be translated, and the authors names transliterated. At present, the references are partly transliterated and partly in Cyrillic. This is a straightforward formatting issue and not a cause for edit warring. dab (𒁳) 14:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: you could ask for that without all the edit-warring. really. If it's really urgent, ask for assistance on WP:RD/L. dab (𒁳) 15:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Satisfaction

message: #I had no idea why our friend Ghirlandajo here keep linking the article to Jiaohe, this link leads us nowhere in particular, it should be removed straightaway per WP:CONTEXT.
#: I will remove the wikilinks if it is annoying to you. --Ghirla-трёп- 16:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue

message: I tried to find the location of Suyab on Google Earth using the description in the article [60 km north east from Bishkek, and 8 km southwest from Tokmok, in the Chui River valley, present-day Kyrgyzstan] and can not find anything that looks like it might be the ruins of the ancient city. I believe that the direction 60 km north east from Bishkek is incorrect, since that is in Kazakhstan.
The website www.fantasticasia.net [an adventure travel site] says that Suyab is 6 km south east of Tokmok. Looking in that approximate area on Google Earth I found what could be ruins at these coordinates:  42°47'0.63"N  75°19'58.03"E. I've done quite a bit more searching on line and in several atlases but haven't found any more information - actually, online I've found several other approximate locations that are different from that listed on this page.
Does anyone know if these coordinates are actually at the site of the ruins? If so, I think we should include them - and a picture of the satellite view of the site on the page.
Dmbstudio 18:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  location of Suyab 

message: Are these the same or different places? Again, the location at the top of the article seems impossible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamin Trovato (talk • contribs) 03:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Krasnorechenskoye]]