Talk:Bolesław II the Bold

message: Since it has been estabilished on Talk:Boleslaus_I_of_Poland#Move and Talk:List_of_Polish_monarchs#Naming to use Bolesław instead of Boleslaus, I will just test the three royal nicknames and list other without counting for redirect creation purposes:
* Boleslaw II/Bolesław II (all 'B II's are a disambig)
* Boleslav II - 1400
* Boleslaus II - 526
** all 'B II's are a disambig so they don't caunt
* Boleslaw II Smialy/Bolesław II Śmiały - 383
* Boleslav II Smialy - 55
* Boleslaus II Smialy - none
* Boleslaw Smialy/Bolesław Śmiały - 1190
* Boleslav Smialy - 22
* Boleslaus Smialy - none
* Boleslaw II Okrutny/Bolesław II Okrutny - 12
* Boleslav II Okrutny - none
* Boleslaus II Okrutny - none
* Boleslaw Okrutny/Bolesław Okrutny - 8
* Boleslav Okrutny - none
* Boleslaus Okrutny - none
* Boleslaw II Szczodry/Bolesław II Szczodry - 30
* Boleslav II Szczodry - none
* Boleslaus II Szczodry - none
* Boleslaw Szczodry/Bolesław Szczodry - 20
* Boleslav Szczodry - none
* Boleslaus Szczodry - none
* Boleslaw of Poland/Bolesław of Poland
* Boleslav of Poland
* Boleslaus of Poland
** those should be a disambig, see Talk:Boleslaus_I_of_Poland#Move for numbers
* Boleslaw II of Poland/Bolesław II of Poland - 45
* Boleslav II of Poland - 9
* Boleslaus II of Poland - 1420
** 1500
* Boleslaw the Bold/Bolesław the Bold - 381
* Boleslav the Bold - 224
* Boleslaus the Bold - 1330
* Boleslaw II the Bold/Bolesław II the Bold - 265
* Boleslav II the Bold - 89
* Boleslaus II the Bold - 758
** 3000
* Boleslaw the Cruel/Bolesław the Cruel - 44
* Boleslav the Cruel - 141
* Boleslaus the Cruel - 147
* Boleslaw II the Cruel/Bolesław II the Cruel - none
* Boleslav II the Cruel - none
* Boleslaus II the Cruel - none
* 300
* Boleslaw the Generous/Bolesław the Generous - 10
* Boleslav the Generous - none
* Boleslaus the Generous - 285
* Boleslaw II the Generous/Bolesław II the Generous - 9
* Boleslav II the Generous - none
* Boleslaus II the Generous - 428
** 700
Although Boleslaus seems to be more popular then Bolesław (4200:2800), the difference is not that large, and for standarization I want to use Boleslaw (besides, it would be stupid to have Bolesław I the Brave and Boleslaus II the Bold, if they had the same first name, right?). The Bold beats the Cruel and the Generous easily (3000:300:700). Therefore if there are no objections, I'd like to move this to Bolesław II the Bold.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. Haukur 16:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Bold, the Cruel or the Generous? 

message: :Write Support or Oppose and an optional one-sentence reason. Longer parts of opinions then below at discussion.
* Support. As nominator. Marrtel 18:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll

message: This has been too long in a location which clearly contravenes the naming convention. So, this needed a more NPOV place. In recent other polls, the general editorship has shown a clear support for "non-Polish" name versions. For starters, the recent name was not arrived by any consensus, but by a unilateral move, so its proponents are not entitled to claim their version the original or "lawful" one. The original was "Boleslaus II of Poland". I am not entirely happy with the location here, because I personally think the English form could be "Boleslaus". Because so many (Polish?) editors have expressed they are most unhappy with -laus endings, I swallowed my own preferences and chose a more Slavic-looking -lav here. Hope it satisfies at least some. If this is not a satisfactory place, be welcome to open a poll where this should be moved to. Then, I will vote for Boleslaus. Shilkanni 23:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes boldness is a good thing. That said, the vote was 15-8 (including "weak" supports and excluding sockpuppets), if that's enough to legitimise a move, then the article ought to be moved to Boleslaus II of Poland. Srnec 21:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Just for the record - I'm not going to comment further here or recount the vote, it didn't seem to help at BoleXXXX I. I still recommend User:Nightstallion for an uninvolved admin with a lot of experience in handling move requests, if you feel you need someone like that. Haukur 21:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, he's taking a sabbatical from RM. Oh well. Haukur 22:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renamed 

message: Please note, that in the poll above, 
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are confirmed sockpuppets . The outcome of the vote may change based on this information -- Chris 73 | Talk 22:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sockpuppetry 

message: Considering that the article was moved even after RM (with some sockpuppetry...) determined no consensus, I wonder if we could not agree on 'Boleslaw II the Bold of Poland'? Please note that this is the only Boleslav, currently all three other kings of Poland with that name are Bolesaws (with the 'w').-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is one of the few Polish monarchs that uses 'of Poland' instead of a nickname. I would like to move it to Bolesław II the Bold. Consider that the following monarch (as most of them) is named Władysław I Herman, not Władysław I of Poland. Comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name, revisited 

message: There is a footnote stating: "The epithet "Generous" is the most verifiable by primary sources and as such recommended instead of "the bold"". Interesting, but what's the source of this claim? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per current discussion on pl wiki, Bold is more popular than Generous (by about 2:1).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about "Bountiful". Like it or not, in English "Brave" and "Bold" are almost identical in meaning and Bountiful (largus) is what he is called by the anonymous Frenchman. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am sure you can back up this adjective by plentiful references? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  13:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Generous, not Bold?

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Augustus II the Strong which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 14:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress