Talk:Amur leopard

message: Some article on problems Pacific pipeline project will cause to Amur Leopard
:But Alexander fears the Pacific pipeline project would cause irreparable damage. "The population in this area would increase several times," he says. "That means many more poachers; more people straying into the reserve. With a new industrial zone on our doorstep, this area would be impossible for us to protect." 
The article leopard talks about this species under the name Panthera pardus amurensis. What is the correct name for the subspecies, amurensis or orientalis?
:IUCN red list uses orientalis ,as does a 2011 scientific paper . So it seems like orientalis is the more commonly used, although it doesnt necessarily mean that amurensis and orientalis aren't both used. douts (talk) 23:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problems 

message: What is it then amurensis or orientalis???
--Francisco Valverde|Francisco Valverde 22:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Also confused 

message: According to the Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme it is orientalis not amurensis.
--Francisco Valverde|Francisco Valverde 16:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orientalis 

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Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:36 am 
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AMUR LEOPARD LINKS:-
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IUCN Red List of Threatened Species: Panthera pardus ssp. orientalis
Amur leopards are now believed to be practically extinct in the mountainous regions of ... In South Korea, the last record of an Amur leopard is from 1969, ...
www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/15957/all - 24k - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/15957/all 
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Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme
This Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme has grown out of the increasing coordination of the conservation work for Amur leopards between several key organizations – namely The Tigris Foundation, The Zoological Society of London, Moscow Zoo, Phoenix, AMUR and the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS). This group, along with additional funding partners, has formed the Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance and is working hard to increase public awareness of and political support for the conservation of both the Amur leopard and the Amur tiger. 
The Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance (ALTA) has produced an information sheet (PDF 1.21Mb) with lots of information about the activities in progress to secure a future for both leopards and tigers in the Amur region. The latest ALTA Newsletter (January 2007) is also now available (PDF 642Kb).
 
http://www.amur-leopard.org/ 
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Wikipedia the free Encyclopedia page on Critically Endangered AMUR LEOPARD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_Leopard 
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AMUR — AMUR (Russian Far East) Leopards
The Amur leopard has longer fur for winter warmth and ’open’ rosettes ... For a great deal more detailed information about Amur leopards visit the following ...
amur.org.uk/leopards.shtml - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
http://amur.org.uk/leopards.shtml 
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WWF - Amur leopard
This is the Amur leopard (Panthera pardus orientalis), also known as the Far East leopard, the Manchurian leopard or the Korean leopard. ...
www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/priority_species/amur_leopard/index.cfm - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/priority_species/amur_leopard/index.cfm 
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Amur Leopards - Wildlife Conservation Society
Conservation of the Amur Leopard in the Russian Far East, Wildlife Conservation Society.
www.wcs.org/international/Asia/russia/Amurleopard - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.wcs.org/international/Asia/russia/Amurleopard 
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Amur leopard - Panthera pardus orientalis: More Information - ARKive
ARKive - Images of life on Earth. A new digital library of photographs, film clips and accompanying information about endangered species, ...
www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Panthera_pardus_orientalis/more_info.html - 26k -
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Panthera_pardus_orientalis/more_info.html 
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VIDEO: YouTube - Amur Leopard, watch before they are extinct
Amur Leopard, watch before they are extinct ... The first Leopard who is shown here is a male called "Puzan", the second one with the cub is a female called ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm-k1oKz84 - 78k - Cached - Similar pages
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Save The Amur Leopards Petition
There are only around 30 Amur Leopards left in the wild, and only 10 purebred animals in captivity. Poaching, illegal logging, illegal fires, and a massive ...
www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/542398780 - 31k - 18 Jan 2007 - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/542398780?ltl=1169233749 
We, the Undersigned, endorse the following petition:
Save The Amur Leopards
Target: Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation
Sponsor: Annelisa Johnson
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Amur Leopard
With only 30 - 40 remaining in the wild, the Amur leopards are listed in international, federal and regional levels as critically endangered and are in immediate danger of extinction.
http://www.amurleopard.com/pages/1/index.htm 
 
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WAZA - World Association of Zoos and Aquariums - Virtual Zoo
This studbook forms the basis for conservation breeding programmes operated at the regional level by several zoo associations for the Amur leopard (Panthera ...
www.waza.org/virtualzoo/factsheet.php?id=112-007-002-004&view=Cats - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.waza.org/virtualzoo/factsheet.php?id=112-007-002-004&view=Cats 
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NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC NEWS: Photo in the News: World's Rarest Big Cat Captured
November 16, 2006
In the remote forests of southeastern Russia, scientists have captured what's believed to be the rarest big cat on Earth: a Far Eastern leopard. 
The animal is so scarce that only 30 are thought to survive in the wild. 
The team, led by biologists from the New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society, caught the 100-pound (45-kilogram) male in a snare last week while studying Siberian tigers in the Russian Far East, 20 miles (32 kilometers) from the Chinese border (See Russia map). 
The chance capture gave biologists a priceless opportunity to study the elusive feline, and Melody Roelke (below), a specialist in big-cat genetics with the U.S. National Institutes of Health, wasn't shy about getting a closer look. 
She and other team members conducted a thorough series of tests on the leopard, from studying its teeth to collecting sperm samples, before releasing the animal back into the wild. 
Among the scientists' main concerns is whether Far Eastern leopards, also known as Amur leopards, can continue to sustain their tiny, isolated population, or whether disease and inbreeding may eventually wipe out the cats. 
"This capture represents a milestone in our cooperative efforts to save the Far Eastern leopard and Siberian tiger from extinction," said Dale Miquelle, director of the Wildlife Conservation Society's Russia Program, in a statement. 
"With the information gained from these animals, and others to come, we will be in a much better position to determine appropriate conservation actions." 
—Blake de Pastino 
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Photographs courtesy John Goodrich/Wildlife Conservation Society 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061116-russia-leopard.html 
Atulsnischal 20:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''"AMUR LEOPARD" Links'''

message: Links 3 & 4 to news stories are bad in the references.
:The third reference to the CNN news story is broken. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 20:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad & Broken Link(s) in Article 

message: I've added new section: Government Conservation Programs.
It talks about a new program aimed to increase the population of Amur Leopards.  I've provided a reference to the respectable Russian news agency web-site.  I've also added the reference section as it was missing. I will add a couple more things to this page soon. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask.  Andreyx109 (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government Conservation Programs 

message: As of 15th February 2012, the IUCN red list website still lists the Amur leopard as Critically Endangered. Also as there is no citation for the statement saying this species is extinct in the wild (intro), i have reverted this back to Critically Endangered. http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/15957/0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douts (talk • contribs) 22:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: IUCN red list status

message: Would it be worth placing some protection on the article in order to prevent it being vandalised, which had happened repeatedly over the last few months?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douts (talk • contribs) 09:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: A reader noted the sentence:
The Amur leopard is the only leopard subspecies adapted to a cold snowy climate.
and asked about Snow leopard.
I don't have the subject matter expertise to weigh in, but hope someone here can. (OTRS agents see  )--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:56, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The snow leopard is NOT a leopard Panthera pardus subspecies, but a distinct species Panthera uncia. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  cold snowy climate? 

message: Along with leopards crossing between Russia, China, and North Korea across the Tumen River despite a high and long wire fence marking the boundary. -- that sentence is not well formed. 97.94.139.106 (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded the sentence – I hope that's better. —Bruce1eetalk 05:05, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  confusing sentence 

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message: In 2017, the Cat Classification Task Force of the Cat Specialist Group subsumed P. p. japonensis to P. p. orientalis, as in, they see the North Chinese leopard as being the same subspecies as the Amur leopard. At least the historic ranges of both populations include Manchuria or Northeastern China, so the new classification could solve the issue of which subspecies a leopard in that place would fit, but Uphyrkina et al. (2001) did say that though P. p. japonensis and P. p. orientalis were contiguous, the same goes for the former and P. p. delacouri, and that the association between all three is weak. Leo1pard (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amur leopard versus other leopards in the Far East 

message: Leo1pard (talk) 17:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page views 

message: Unless I am misunderstanding the information presented, it appears there is contradictory information regarding the Amur's distribution. The "Current Population and Distribution" section says the Amur inhabits about 5,000 km2. "The Forest Degradation" section states they only exist in an area smaller than 2,500 km2". If one of these two statistics cannot be sourced it should be removed to avoid confusing readers. If both can be sourced, these two conflicting statements should be combined into one sentence that says something along the lines of,   "The current population of wild individuals resides in an area estimated to be between 2500 and 5000 square kilometres" . 
To avoid redundancy (as Wikipedia generally calls for) it seems this information should possibly be removed from the "Forest Degradation" section and retained only in the "Current Population and Distribution" section". – Down time (talk) 18:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing out the contradictory info! I checked and removed the faulty info in the "Forest Degradation" section. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory distribution information  

message: 2605:A000:F481:F700:51FD:B3FF:DD54:16BB (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2019 

message: It's said in the article that Amur Leopards are only avaliable in Chinese-Russian border.However,it is available in Northern China,and the population is relatively big(though it's estimated that about 75% of them live in Shanxi Province).I have been searching behind the Firewall for an hour,only to find that the earliest report of Amur Leopard was in 2009,which stated that,“The population of Northern China Leopard(that is what we call about Amur Leopard) has been declining from 1987 to 2009.”Seems interesting,umm?So it can be inferred that the fate of Amur Leopard isn't as horrible as what is claimed in the article. Frost-CHN (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  About fate of leopards in Northern China 

message: there are about 80 amur leopards in the wild in 2023. 96.74.89.254 (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 23:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2023 

message: Collaborative conservation efforts are crucial for protecting Amur leopards in Northeast China and Russia. To achieve this, a balance must be struck between leopard recovery and the region's political and economic growth, including the creation of ecological corridors and expanded reserves. Sustainable land use and alternative economic strategies are essential to support local development while preserving biodiversity and ecosystem health. Sujal 3011 (talk) 23:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is already referenced, and according to its abstract, the authors present results of a population density estimate. The section on conservation of WP pages usually contains information on legal protection status in range countries of a species and successfully implemented measures to improve protection in the field. But this section does usually not contain . -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balancing Leopard Conservation and Regional Development in Northeast China and Russia 

message: Collaborative conservation efforts are crucial for protecting Amur leopards in Northeast China and Russia. To achieve this, a balance must be struck between leopard recovery and the region's political and economic growth, including the creation of ecological corridors and expanded reserves. Sustainable land use and alternative economic strategies are essential to support local development while preserving biodiversity and ecosystem health. detailed information on: Wang, T., Feng, L., Yang, H., Han, B., Zhao, Y., Juan, L., Lü, X., Zou, L., Li, T., Xiao, W., Mou, P., Smith, J. L., & Ge, J. (2017, June). A science-based approach to guide Amur leopard recovery in China. Biological Conservation, 210, 47–55. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.biocon.2016.03.014 Sujal 3011 (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done, see reply in previous section. – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:44, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023 

message: "At the beginning of the fall in 2011, Scientists from the Academy of Sciences in Russia equipped an adult male with a satellite collar. The animal weighed 62kg and was in excellent health, about 5 or 6 years old."
https://www.tendua.org/newsletter-no7,069?artpage=3-5
With respect to this information I believe we should update the current weight range of males from 32-48kg, to 32-62kg. Von Herre (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. RudolfRed (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed update to the weight range given for male specimens. 

message: P. p. japonesis was subsumed under P. p. orientalis in 2017, and this article treats it as such (and so do other articles, like the lack of a P. p. japonensis article), but this is still contentious at best. The following two papers discuss reasons why they do not accept the merge, and to my knowledge, no groups working with the animals accept this change either:
Due to the absence of a biogeographical barrier between these two sub-species (Jacobson et al., 2016; Kitchener et al., 2017), the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCNCat Specialist Group recently revised the classification of the NCL. They subsumed japonensis to orientalis (Han et al., 2019; CGTN News, 2019), although the NCL was earlier labelled as the typical sub-species in Northern regions of China since 1862 (Allen, 1938; Gray, 1862). Nonetheless, these subspecies' taxonomy must be based on molecular evidence. Genetic evidences should be the basis to clear up the difference between NCL and both the sub-species of the Tibet population (Laguardia et al., 2015) and the Amur leopard which despite their habitats overlap, these two felines are different by body characteristics (CGTN News; 2019). 
Vitekere, K., Consolee, K., Zaman, M., Karanja, H., Hua, Y. and Jiang, G. (2020) ‘Insights on the North China Leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis Gray, 1862): Challenges in distribution, population status, threats, and implications for conservation’, Journal of Animal and Plant Sciences, 31, pp. 1–18.
Although Kitchener et al. (2017) revised the taxonomy of leopards and combined the North Chinese leopard with the Amur leopard due to the obscure biogeographical barrier between them, given the lack of more accurate molecular evidence, this study still considers the North Chinese leopard to be an independent subspecies.
Yang, H., Xie, B., Zhao, G., Gong, Y., Mou, P., Ge, J. and Feng, L. (2021) ‘Elusive cats in our backyards: persistence of the North Chinese leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis) in a human‐dominated landscape in central China’, Integrative Zoology, 16(1), pp. 67–83. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1111/1749-4877.12482.
The following charities (amongst others) refer to orientalis as not including japonensis:
WWF – https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/amur-leopard
WCS – https://conservewildcats.org/portfolio/monitoring-amur-leopards-and-tigers/
Land of the Leopard National Park – https://leopard-land.ru/
Phoenix Fund – https://fundphoenix.org/
I therefore propose that this article treats them as distinct subspecies. I am happy to make the changes myself but I am checking here first before I do so (a P. p. japonensis article will also be needed, to semi-replace Chinese leopard).  DevonianShark (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article should continue to treat them as one subspecies as overall structure. The project has decided to follow the cat group classification for articles titles and taxobox  classification, which provides consistency across articles. However, alternative views should be discussed in the article. For a start, you could add a paragraph at the end of the taxonomy section explaining the controversy (there is a similar one with tigers, especially people working on the Malayan tiger). Then additions to other sections can deal with relevant differences (size, coloration, etc). —  Jts1882 | talk  08:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Vitekere et al. (2020) nor Yang et al. (2021) provide any morphological or genetic evidence or argument for treating japonensis as distinct from orientalis; these are NOT taxonomic papers. And what charities publish on their blogs is irrelevant here. BhagyaMani (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but they do highlight that it is far from agreed on. If the conservation groups working on the ground with the animals consider them separate, and no academic papers focusing on either the Russian or Chinese populations after 2017 appear to group them together either, then imo that should come above the Cat Specialist Group’s claims. But if that’s what Wikipedia follows, so be it, I’ll just add some bits about it not being widely accepted.  DevonianShark (talk) 01:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: P. p. japonensis