Talk:American and British English pronunciation differences

message: Santiago Claudio: I will ping, ,  & , in hopes that you reply to my message & don't respond "I have checked". I want a follow-up response & don't take this as an attack.
Where do you find these information? Why do you like editing this article, even though, it will be checked, verified & removed eventually? You're more of a liability rather than an asset & this is sabotage. You pick a random word that you read or heard somewhere & suddenly it has regional differences. That's not how to determine regional differences.
You mentioned English is in your register, but it isn't. If English is in your register, you should also know French/miscellaneous stress sections, splits/mergers of English phonology & phonetic rules. There's more to English other than single & multiple pronunciation differences.
This page is based on original research, but majority of my post are still there & some of them are deleted for a reason. I never bring back deleted post, but you still continue. My post is verifiable. While, yours is already covered in the section.
The Routledge Dictionary of Pronunciation for Current English
Here are the information, with page numbers for verification:
+Graeme/Graham[e] - Removed, check page 591/1591.
T(h)eresa - Removed, check page 1392 & 1400 of 1591.
Southern German variant of Ludwig  is a dialect & will therefore be removed.
Partisan is already listed in the French stress section.
Rioja  sounds likes a  in Loch & will therefore be removed.
Only three will remain: bastion - check page 143 of 1591; consortium - check page 300/1591 & Sebastian - check 1233 of 1591.
I hope you're not going to reinstate these materials again because it's displeasing & frustrating.
I only edit certain materials, such as, punctuation & spelling. You just edit everything you see & seem very impatient that you want to move forward quickly. I only have 934 total edits to my name compared to 33,324 live edits to your name. Wikipedia seems like a game or competition to you, that is, "How many articles can I edit in 24 hours?". The reason that I'm not active is because reading & writing messages can be long & intimidating. Also, if an issue arises regarding my post, I will likely be inundated with posts on both article & personal page of the Talk section. I have a limited time replying to messages. The reason users are complaining is because they want to eliminate toxic users & resolve conflicts/issues regarding users & articles. Also, Wikipedia has quality control standards.
You should leave articles alone, especially relating to languages in Wikipedia.
Since you don't know phonetics, click here or the above link for more information.
I have a suggestion & advice that you should take into consideration:
Suggestion: Head to your local library to find these two English pronunciation & phonetic transcriptions dictionaries to borrow the book or install the CD-ROM on your personal computer: (3rd ed.) 2008 Longman Pronunciation Dictionary & (18th ed.) 2011 Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary. The CD-ROM works perfectly on Windows 7/8/10. I'm not sure if this works on Windows 11.
Advice: Take phonetic lessons, read the dictionary & watch old audio/video from the previous century (that is, from the 1930s until 1990s).
NKM1974 (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that I've ever edited at American and British English pronunciation differences. Not sure why I was pinged? Valereee (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , The reason that I pinged you because this user was uncooperative & never replies to messages in the past before he was blocked. You can monitor the situation, if you like. It's on the Species section of his talk page above. NKM1974 (talk) 00:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I don't go out of my house most of the day for many years now, and I've never went to that library for that reason. Santiago Claudio (talk) 00:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: The very link you provide to Routledge confirms that the monosyllabic pronunciation of Graham exists in America as a secondary pronunciation (though not in Britain), so why delete that? The first time I heard the odd ‘Gram’ version was from a Northern Irish girl as it happens but it doesn’t seem to exist anywhere else in Ireland or Britain - she was half-American with a strange hybrid accent and thus just a special case. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: I can’t say I’ve tried to find those specific texts yet but it’s not only Routledge that lists a difference, just look up Graham at OneLook.com and you’ll see most dictionaries give two separate pronunciations for British and American English. I prefer the analyses given in Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com and two of the other online dictionaries which both give Random House dictionary as a reference - they all transcribe Graham in such a way as to effectively claim that some Americans pronounce Graham in the same way that most English people say ‘gram’, though Merriam-Webster goes as far as to claim it can be ‘Gra-um’. Some other dictionaries use the silly diglyph formed by combining ‘a’ and ‘e’, thus basically saying that the pronunciation can be ‘gram’ or ‘grem’, thus meaning there are at least 3 possible (from my perspective) non-standard pronunciations that could be listed as Americanisms. The version you mention that sounds like ‘Grame’ is surely just what happens when someone says the word in the standard way (Gray-um) but they’re speaking at a mile a minute, I doubt it’s standard anywhere and ‘grame’ and ‘grem’ sound completely different to each other anyway (so your comment about allophones seems somewhat baffling to me). Overlordnat1 (talk) 02:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree with  recent edit that most dictionaries give the wrong pronunciation. Nutella is a registered trademark & it should be removed. NKM1974 (talk) 05:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Rejecting dictionary pronunciations is bizarre and, anyway, all you have to do is look up the pronunciation of Graham on YouGlish for both the U.K. and the US and hear the difference for yourself. The same goes for ‘Craig’ and ‘Nutella’ btw. Clearly  was right that the fact that Oxford and MW have contradictory pronunciation notes for cumin is unhelpful but the obvious reality is that most people in both Britain and America say ‘cyoomin’ or, rarely, ‘coomin’. The ‘cummin’ pronunciation, if it exists at all in Britain (or anywhere else), is much rarer. YouGlish confirms this fact. Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majority of Your Posts Removed on American and British English pronunciation differences 

message: Apologies for half finishing an edit, getting distracted, and clicking "Save page" hours later; I am prone to this unfortunately. What I was trying to do was clarify the Moscow example was tweak the wording to clarify the point being made. The existing wording was:
For example, Moscow is RP  and GAm , but only the – difference is highlighted here, since both the presence of a contrastive  vowel in RP (which falls together with  in GA) and the RP use of  rather than  are predictable from the accent.
In my view, this is confusing; it is self evident from the full transcriptions given in the first part of the sentence that "only the – difference is highlighted here", as that is the only difference between the two full transcriptions that were just given. The preceding "but" is incongruous since that implies that "only the – difference is highlighted here" contracicts the previously given full transcriptions, when in fact it is in agreement with them.
The sentence then talks about the  -  and  -  differences between RP and GA, but the fact that the word Moscow would be pronounced with those different vowels in the respective accents hasn't been explained anywhere. For this to make sense, it first needs to be explained how the respective pronunciations would be transcribed in accent-specific notation.
I have altered the wording to:
For example, in their respective conventional accent-specific transcription systems, Moscow would be transcribed as RP  and GAm , but it is RP  and GAm  in the transcription system used in this article. Only the – difference is highlighted here, since both the presence of a contrastive  vowel in RP (which falls together with  in GA) and the RP use of  rather than  are predictable from the accent.
I am not entirely happy with the wording of this as it seems a bit cumbersome in places, but I think it makes the point that was missing in the previous version. Offa29 (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording of Moscow example