Talk:Park Slope

message: I lived in Park Slope for several years in 2005-2008.  I did not find it predominantly gay, or even particularly gay.  What you did see most of was strollers, even w/ same sex moms.  But you also saw young bright, sharp students, musicians, writers.  It is a mish mosh where the only generality is that it seems to have a very nice cool smart vibe.  And no one group or type overshadows or dominates in number another.  So it’s just a great mix and stays interesting because of that.  Great restaurants, "hip" restaurants and bars where you can hear live music from country to folk to rock and roll to jazz to blues or poetry readings or sip on a beer with the regulars and watch a film, great dive bars and upscale too.   Something for everyone.
More edgy and interesting along 5th and as you get into the higher numbers, more sedate manicured family oriented in Park Slope proper and 7th Avenue.  
The new dog run needs benches, lights and a drinking hose for the pooches.  And there is nothing like off leash hours in Prospect Park in that large area (and for those who like a dip in the dog pond).  When I lived there there was a sax player who used to play on one of the benches in the morning.  Nice touch.
I'm actually moving back, though its almost more expensive then Manhattan now, and I moved there originally because you could get a lot more for your money.  Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. 
The negatives--lots of strollers (unless you are pushing one yourself), elitist attitude in some of the shops and restaurants, and the few times I strolled into the food co-op contemplating joining, I always got this feeling that nobody in there (shopping or working) was very happy and it had this cult feeling....
When I first moved there I stopped into the Barnes and Nobel for a cup of coffee and glass of water and they charged me for the glass of water.  Somewhat off putting to say the least.  But later it seemed to me to be in keeping with the feeling that those there that had money appeared always on the precarious verge of losing it, and those w/out, on the verge of being discovered or publishing and having it.  Yet another perspective on the meaning of "the slope."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.29.13 (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: :I would hardly call Brooklyn or Park Slope an example of urban sprawl. Please read the article on that topic to get a better sense of what is meant by urban sprawl. Darkcore 22:13, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  See your talk page. --Howrealisreal 00:38, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I replaced the urban sprawl characterization of turn-of-the-twentieth century development (which implies car-reliant development) with that of the streetcar suburb.  I think this may be more historically accurate.--Pharos 01:41, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, I am satisfied with this compromise. Thanks guys. --Howrealisreal 01:48, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: It's funny; actually I changed this independently of Darkcore's comment, which I noticed afterwards.  On another point, I'm not sure I agree with the removal from :Category:Gay villages.  This has been a major aspect of the neighborhood's development in recent years.--Pharos 01:51, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah that is true. Along with the influx of immigrants during the late 70s and 1980s, Park Slope is another classic example of how gays and lesbians have initiated gentification in neighborhoods. I am looking to find a good source that deals with this information before I add it to the Park Slope history section. Good point Pharos. --Howrealisreal 01:56, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a distinction needs to be made between a gay village and a neighborhood that may be home to gays and lesbians. The Queer community tends to be heavily urbanized. Also, the Queer community, particularly gay men, have, along with artists, played significant roles in gentrifying many urban neighborhoods in many, many cities. However, a gay village is a neighborhood with a distinct "gay identity" that, to me, does not really exist in Park Slope. Yes, gays and lesbians live there (and they live in Fort Greene, Astoria, Bed-Stuy, Williamsburg, etc., etc.) but I don't think the definition of "gay village" is particularly warranted for any of those neighborhoods. Nor do I think it is really appropriate for Park Slope. Darkcore 06:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text:  I'm fairly new to the term "gay village", so it may not be appropriate for this article. But, I do think Park Slope's association with the gay and lesbian community, specifically how they helped shape and evolve the neighborhood before the boom in property value of the 1990s, is more well-known and more significant compared to your other examples of Fort Green, Astoria, Bed-Stuy, etc... I've grown up in this area for almost 22 years now, and I do believe that there is a distinct "gay identity" in Park Slope, although it has been hindered more recently due to the area becoming fashionable to families and young professionals (hipsters, yuppies, whatever you want to call them). I know it is not the end-all/be-all, but Park Slope still hosts many gay and lesbian parades and events that cater to the queer community in and beyond its boundaries. --Howrealisreal 19:40, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Removed gay village category. At one point it might be appropriate but currently it probably doesn't. --Howrealisreal 16:47, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Park Slope and Urban sprawl 

message: Congatulations on getting this quite beyond stub status; of course, it could still be expanded, particularly with non-historical info.--Pharos 18:35, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll continue to work on this here and there as I come across more information. I really appreciate the help and comments from all the on-lookers out there. --Howrealisreal 21:31, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress 

message: The Squid and the Whale, the 2005 American film written and directed by Noah Baumbach and produced by Wes Anderson is set in Park Slope.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexvessels (talk • contribs) 13:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, all three of those movies are really in the Windsor Terrace area, which is sometimes branded "South Park Slope" by real estate companies trying to raise the property value and rents. I know this, because I grew up in Windsor Terrace for the past 21-or-so years of my life. Perhaps, you may want to move the section to that article. --Howrealisreal 00:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it for you. --Howrealisreal 16:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  movies 

message: Is there a need for 5 photos of brownstones? A max of two would seem to be sufficient, unless they happen to be of something particularly noteworthy. --mtz206 23:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: This article only seems to list the positive effects gentrification has had on Park Slope, making it seems a little POV from the view of those moving into the neighborhood during the gentrification. I would like to add the following, please give feedback, will wait for 3 or so days before adding to article.
::"The negative impacts however of this gentrification is the displacement of the immigrant population that settled in the 1980s. As yuppies began to move into Park Slope the rising rents have made it difficult for low income residents to stay. It is not uncommon to find those same early immigrants who moved into the neighborhood living adjacent to renters paying two to three times the rent.
::The commercial impacts of the gentrification can also be seen along the popular 5th Avenue stretch, where numerous banks and bars have replaced neighborhood staples such as the Salvation Army and once popular dollar store's. While gentrification and the ensuing rush of brand name stores normally signal a driving down of prices, in some industries such as food services, prices have gone up. The establishing of base prices by coporate businesses have led to smaller establishments such as the local convenience store to raise their prices, yet still maintain them under the base."
They arent necessarily in order, feel free to give feedback, pros cons etc --Zer0faults 20:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say be bold and go for it. I definitely agree with the nature of your proposed contribution, and if you feel it balances the appearance of the antithesis then by all means it is important to add. --Howrealisreal 13:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont' think that adding opposing views achieves the NPOV.  Two biases don't make neutral.  In particular, the paragraphs lack citations and contains several biased terms and too much unattributed speculation and original research.--Davmpls 21:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gentrification Cons 

message: I uploaded this picture I took of Park Slope. Would you like me to find a place for it in the article?  — Anna Kucsma
: Sure.. go for it. --Howrealisreal 15:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done!  — Anna Kucsma 14:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you added this winter shot, I deleted another of brownstones with snow in front. One winter shot is sufficient. --mtz206 (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Winter photos

message: The third paragraph includes, among other things, a list of institutions to which Park Slope provides "close access." One of these institutions is the Brooklyn Public Library. While the library's Central Branch is indeed on the edge of the neighborhood, the sentence as written suggests that the system as a whole is within walking distance. Of course, it ain't. Could someone re-write it? (I'm feeling a little mentally flustered right now, or I'd do it myself...)  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 01:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! --Ec- 18:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And nicely, too! Thanks for taking care of it.  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 20:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Close access" paragraph

message: I just reverted an anonymous edit that changed the southern border of Park Slope to the Prospect Expressway rather than 15th Street.  I am not completely opposed to this, but I think the issue deserves some discussion and consensus before a change is made.  I have lived in Park Slope for almost 14 years, and always considered 15th street (from the traffic circle at the edge of Prospect Park cutting West) the border.  Perhaps this has expanded in recent years - the highway is a more obvious deliminater.  Thoughts? --Ec- 23:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought of 15th Street as the border, too. Beyond that is Windsor Terrace (I think).  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 20:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was born and raised in Windsor Terrace (17th Street to be exact) for 23 years now: 15th Street is absolutely the border of Park Slope. Real estate agencies have been cashing in on the popularity of the Slope by terming Windsor Terrace as "South Slope" for awhile now. I strongly believe that the article should not give in to market-based boundaries. The true borders of the Slope should be defined in the intro of the article, and the "Park Slope sprawl" that is presently going on belongs down below in the history. --Howrealisreal 01:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern border 

message: I was confused about Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and Brooklyn museum, the description on the page would exclude these as they are outside the border the article talks about. As long as I have lived in Park Slope, over 30 years now, I have yet to see anyone actually call this area Park Slope either. These two institutions are actually in Prospect Heights. --NuclearUmpf 17:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NM, I see they are not attributing it to the neighborhood just banking off of its distance. --NuclearUmpf 17:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Border

message: I think that this should be added becuase there *was* decay in Park Slope at one time. If you look at the things in the category they are not all places that are ina state of decay but rather places that suffered it at one time.
futurebird 05:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya'know, I tend to think that this category is kinda meaningless. What urban neighborhoods have never suffered a little decay? (See also: :Category_talk:Places impacted by urban decay)  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 01:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that is a great question, there are places that have not suffered from blight, maybe not in NYC (though the upper east side comes to mind...) but in the country. What do all of those places have in common... I think that's important question to ask when thinking about Urban Decay. The remarkable recovery of Park Slope makes the fact that it was once a victim of urban decay all the more remarkable (and notable). --futurebird 04:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: adding Category:Places impacted by urban decay

message: I've created a userbox, User:AnnaKucsma/Boxes/Park Slope. Comments welcome. Users, too.  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 17:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Residents' Userbox

message: i think the author of this article meant to say that hipsters go to williamsburg and greenpoint, and yuppies go to park slope -- not that hipsters go to w-burg, and yuppies to the slope and greenpoint.  but i'm not going to change it since it is silly, unsubstantiated, and a gross over-generalization.  Nickhanlon 15:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  yuppies and hipsters 

message: Using the boundary definitions included in both the current Park Slope and Prospect Heights articles, the triangle bounded by Flatbush to the north, Park Place to the South, and 4th Avenue to the west would thus be part of no Brooklyn neighborhood whatsoever. My view is that the present northern border is actually Flatbush Avenue, not Park Place.
Though historically this area may not have been part of Park Slope, and was also not part of the Park Slope historical district, Flatbush is now commonly understood to be the boundary between Propsect Heights to the North and Park Slope to the south. As evidence, the official NYC website shows the northern boundary at Flatbush avenue. I'd submit that this is a higher quality source of neighborhood boundaries than New York Magazine. If this area is not part of (modern) Park Slope, what neighborhood is it part of? --Ominesan (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * Agreed.  The border between Park Slope and Prospect Heights is Flatbush avenue. I know that there is a bit of sensitivity about Park Slope's borders extending, but this one is both accurate (backed up by the NYC site, rather than a factor of the historic district demarcation), and a pretty small area at that.  63.251.31.10 (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

text: * As more evidence I'd submit the recent New York Magazine article (http://nymag.com/daily/food/2009/06/prepared_foods_with_a_pedigree.html) about a new store, Brooklyn Larder, located at 228 Flatbush (SW side of avenue), which is owned by the owners of Franny's, which is on the NE side of Flatbush. The article places Bklyn Larder as being in Park Slope, and Franny's as in Prospect Heights. Flatbush Avenue, not Park Pl, is the northern border of Park Slope and I am going to go ahead and make this change unless someone provides contradictory objective and current evidence showing Park Place as the modern border. I'd request that along with the evidence, it be proposed as to what neighborhood the the area bounded by 4th Avenue, Flatbush Ave, and Park Place is in fact part of if that area is not part of Park Slope. --Ominesan (talk) 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Border 

message: In the lead paragraph, there's this line:
"...resulting in a population density of approximately 68,000/square mile, or approximately 26,000/square kilometer"
I'm guessing that those figures are probably reversed -- that is, that it's more likely 68,000/sq km and 26,000/sq mi.  Otherwise, the conversion doesn't work.  There are about 2.5 square kilometers in every square mile.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Largeman2 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop. density stats are reversed 

message: Can I get a holla ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.55.249.171 (talk) 19:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How 'bout a mapp y'all? 

message: Repost from this:
An article about Park Slope, Brooklyn omits the following four interesting and important facts about the neighborhood:
1. Barack Obama lived on Second Street in Park Slope immediately after he graduated from Columbia University
2. Al Capone grew up on Garfield Place in Park Slope
3. Park Slope now contains the largest Historic Distirict in New York City
4. The Trolley Dodgers played there first baseball games in a ballpark where Washington Park is now located. ("In the 1880s, a new professional ballclub called the Trolley Dodgers played in Washington Park, at a field between Fourth and Fifth Avenues on the flatlands below Park Slope. The first game of the new team was played in 1883." by ) 
How would I go about getting them included? -- 70.107.122.85 (talk) 01:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold! Looks like you have some good citations in hand. Here's another cite of Al Capone having lived at another Garfield Place address. Seems to have been sourced by the NY Times from NYS Census data, so it's not an "old owner told the realtor" story or a neighborhood legend. TimBRoy (talk) 05:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding facts in article that are not included. 

message: The list makes up more than 50% of the entire article. Doesn't Wikipedia regard these lists as trivia? In that case, the whole list should be removed entirely. A concise article is the better option here. - Rantankamus (talk) 18:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is huge and should be moved to a separate article, with references and a brief description added about what makes each person notable.  Richard Apple (talk) 21:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downsize or remove entirely list of "Notable Residents" 

message: how can this article refer to the 1890 census information when, in fact, there is no direct information to cite from. i was in search of the census data from 1890 and found out that it had been destroyed in a 1921 fire. where is the author getting his/her information from regarding the wealth of the residents of Park Slope, in 1890, if there is no hard (accurate) government data to look at?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhlitwack (talk • contribs) 02:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1890 census data destroyed  

message: Cleaned up the Public Schools section, including the full names of each school.  I also added the new standalone pre-K and edited some of the school descriptions (according to their websites, 321 and 107 both eliminated pre-K).  I also removed MS 266, since it isn't in Park Slope by any measure.  SixFourThree (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Schools 

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message: I think this section should be split to List of people from Park Slope. The section is already pretty long (it has 130 entries with 63 references) and has more than 37,000 characters of wikicode. epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , looks like no objections so go for it but would be best per past AfDs if there was a case for their notability as a list apart from that there are many. (not watching, please ) czar 21:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 02:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Park Slope →  – I propose renaming the article in order to standardize it with other articles on NYC's neighborhoods, which normally follow the format ["neighborhood", "borough"] (for example, Jamaica, Queens). - Headphase (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 December 2021 

message: I propose merging South Slope, Brooklyn into Park Slope. There seems to be no reason for pulling one section of the neighborhood out into its own article; most of the businesses and schools referenced in that article consider themselves as being in "Park Slope" if you actually click the links.  It seems that anything covered in that short article can easily be absorbed into this one without causing any article-size or weighting problems in Park Slope.By the Beard of Worf! (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also add that there seems to be more information about South Slope in the main "Park Slope" article than there is contained in the "South Slope" article.  So merging would help minimize confusion and better disseminate information. By the Beard of Worf! (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, and since there has been no objection in over a month I'm going to do it.  SixFourThree (talk) 16:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal