Talk:Kent Whealy

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Category:1946 births
Category:Living people
Category:Technical writers
CinagroErunam (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: 1) Whealy cannot be used as a source to describe the reason he left Seed Savers - it can only say that he left. 
* The reason he left is cited in multiple references, included the Center for Food Safety.  It was a well publicized (but not in mainstream press articles) split over the Doomsday vault issue.)
2) citation 7 to Mother Earth News needs a complete citation to month (or was MEN just annual?)
* Fixed, it was a reference to the previously footnoted Mother Earth article.
3) its missing the actual Genius Grant which is the thing that actually makes him stand alone notable 
* Added, simple ommission. 
4) there is nothing about Philanthropy, the contribution to the California Prop is activism, not philanthropy
* His work and position with the CERES Trust is philanthropy.  It's referenced in donations noted and referenced in the article (Funding: The Vanishing of the Bees, Living Downstream, the National Organic Coordinating campaign, etc...)
5) the CERES content is based solely on CERES primary documents and borderline promotional
* The CERES documents are public tax returns filed with the IRS - it's not promotional, they are simply matters of fact that the organization supports organic agriculture and funds organic related advocacy. Further, they are backed up by multiple third-party references and NOT solely sourced to Ceres.
-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments about the DRAFT

message: Is there any reason why this article shouldn't be merged into and redirected to Seed Savers Exchange??  Zad68 16:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *Whealy is no longer associated with Seed Savers but he continues to be independently influential, so merger would NOT be appropriate. His work in agriculture/food policy remains influential but completely separate from (and in fact in several key areas is in opposition to) Seeds Savers.  Whealy has authored books and articles independent from his work with Seed Savers, he is a major financial contributor and advocate on food policy issues - all independent from that organization. CinagroErunam (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *It doesn't really matter whether or not he's still with the organization.  What we need are independent reliable secondary sources providing in-depth coverage of Ken Whealy the individual.  If he has been notable outside the organization, there should be sources to cover that.  Can we find those sources and get them in the article?  With the way the article is now, there's not enough sources to support a stand-alone article.  Zad68 16:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: as above, the MacArthur grant which was given to him as an individual satisfies the WP:ANYBIO, and the other item that he was known for, the donation, is not related to the Seed Savers. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ...as long as there are sufficient reliable secondary sources from which we can write an article, right?  I agree he passes notability criteria, I'm just complaining that we need the sources from which we can write the bio.  Zad68 16:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: meeting WP:N creates the presumption that he is suitable for a stand alone article, but there is of course no mandate. however, since two of the three items that we have sources for (the genius grant and the donation) are not related to Seed Savers it makes little sense to WP:COATRACK cover them in that article rather than a stand alone article about whealy himself -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Treastor, really?  What are you their lawyer or something?   Their marriage is referenced in documents posted by the Seed Saver's board of directors on their website forum and in multiple other gardeners sources from people who know them.  She is listed in the Charlevoix, MI phone book as "Judy Kern Whealy" . They are listed as joint contributors to various charities and political committees. And, they both claim the same residence in other public documents in Charlevoix, MI.  Are you somehow claiming now that they are not married?  Here is one of the many Seed Savers Exchange website discussion board posts which references her as Kent Whealy's wife: "Only after Kent stepped down as Board President, did a whole new culture start blossoming at Seed Savers Exchange. We are weary of the seemingly relentless attacks Kent has made against us and against Seed Savers Exchange. We have attempted many times to resolve his issues. Kent and his new wife, Judy Kern, have each sued SSE in different courts and for different claims."  (Archived at: http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=2546392&targetid=profile). They are listed as "joint donors" - "Kent Whealy & Judy Kern" to the Littler Travers Land Trust 2009, 2010, 2011: http://www.landtrust.org/Newsletters/AnnualReport2009.pdf; http://www.landtrust.org/Newsletters/AnnualReport2010.pdf; and http://www.landtrust.org/Newsletters/AnnualReport2011.pdf.  Here Judith Kern defends Kent Whealy, claims ex-wife forced him out of Seeds Savers "driven by her anger at being divorced..." = http://uncpressblog.com/2010/04/01/great-american-gardeners/ Judy Kern says: April 4, 2010 at 9:39 am, Ms. Coulter, I’m afraid you have your facts wrong. It was not Diane Ott Whealy who kept those seeds going, or Diane who introduced them to the commercial trade. It was her ex husband,Kent Whealy. Seed Savers was taken over by two board members, Amy Goldman and Neal Hamilton in October 2007. They through out SSE’s founder and director of 33 years, Kent Whealy. They had two motives. One to give Goldman a prestigious role in seed conservation which she does not deserve, and two to allow them to deposit SSE’s rare seeds in Svalbard, something the founder would not have allowed. Svalbard is not the black box storage that it is claimed to be. It is the portal to a FAO Treaty set up to facilitate acssess to seed banks collections for corporate breeders. The current board has viciously attacked Mr. Whealy, has spread malicious lies about him,has denied him access to 33 years worth of papers, has published new editions of his ground breaking books without his name on them, and has attempted to rewrite the history of SSE, giving all credit to his ex-wife who had a marginal role at best, while writing him out of it. Goldman’s actions have appalled SSE’s funders and their funding has vanished. Goldman maintain’s her power at SSE by handing out money to the other board members and lying to everyone concerned. A great injustice hs been done here and you should not be repeating their packaged lies.Diane Ott Whealy facilitated this takeover, driven by her anger at being divorced. - Judith Kern posted similar claims and documents defending Kent Whealy using her name here: http://www.findthatpdf.com/search-45649214-hPDF/download-documents-land-inst-svalbard-portion.pdf.htm  Treastor, why don't you explain why it is so important to remove references to Kern in this profile?  As previously noted, she's a relevant aspect to Kent Whealy's work and is the publicly listed co-Trustee to the philanthropy he uses to promote his work.  She's clearly also willing to use her name publicly online defending his work and there is nothing about her in this profile that's disparaging or not factual and well sourced.CinagroErunam (talk) 22:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Treastor is far too close to the subject. Major COI if I ever saw one. — JJJ (say hello) 01:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

text: * Now this ain't my pissin' match, but I just read through this weird screed and want to know who the heck is Ott Whealy and what 2004 has to do with anything written down here?  Somebody just needs to delete this Treastor's comments and make some decisions about this article and move on... What ridiculousness and distracting BS going on here should stop.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.43.66 (talk) 03:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Seed Savers Exchange]] 

message: She's a trustee of the Ceres Trust, she signed their 990-PF form last November.. Dougweller (talk) 17:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judith Kern 

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