Talk:Family Radio Service

message: Up to now, FRS in US, Europe, Canada, HK, Macau, China has been included. Wtshymanski suggested the addition of japan info into the paragraph, however, i'm wondering whether the 422Mhz, 421Mhz and 420Mhz band should be included in the article or not. Unlike HK and China, they don't call the 422Mhz (etc) band as FRS, and also the power output limit is very low, 0.01W. Should this info be included in this FRS article? How do you think?
BurnDuck 16:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have a citation for U.S. -spec FRS/GMRS radios being used in Brazil?  Even if I found a Brazilian web site, I can't read Portugese! --Wtshymanski 23:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beware of disinformation: Because of the frequencies used by FRS, none (!) of these applications are legal to operate anywhere in Europe, including the NON-EU countries!   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4926:5F45:650D:A018:8C79:89C3 (talk) 14:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FRS in other countries 

message: If we could get references for some of the other radio services, the list of UHF personal radio services around the world could easily stand as an independent article. Sadly I am illiterate in Portugese, chinese, Japanes...etc. --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's spun out now...two and a half years on. See Personal radio service.  I suppose what's left in here could be further summarized and condensed. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spin out personal radio services

message: User:Wtshymanski keeps re-adding this claim that's not supported by the given reference:
 Interference to licensed services may be investigated by the FCC. 
Frankly, I think the claim is wrong and should be removed, as the FCC doesn't tend to conduct investigations of this sort. But since said user is engaging in an edit war in favor of inclusion, I've re-arranged the paragraph to accurately cite the one claim, and to -tag this one. Please don't remove the tag without a specific reference that supports the suggestion that the FCC conducts investigations into unlicensed operation on the FRS band. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 02:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand how anyone who has heard so much as six sentences about the FCC is not aware that part of their job is to investigate, and in some cases take enforcement action against, users of equipment that causes interference to licensed spectrum users. Perhaps that's just my bias as a longtime radio geek.... Nor do I understand why you are making such a big deal out of this one uncited claim out of many in this article, and many if not most claims in most WP articles. But whatever... I have provided a link, with a relevant quote, to the FCC page describing their Spectrum Enforcement Division.  Jeh (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your appeal to common knowledge is irrelevant. Thank you for sourcing your claims in this article. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Without common knowledge, the encyclopedia is just a collection of bits. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we making up pithy platitudes now? Okay, I've got one: "Without reliable sources, common knowledge is as likely wrong." 24.177.120.74 (talk) 03:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement that the FCC investigates interference to licensed spectrum users no more needed citation than would a claim that local police are among those who enforce traffic tickets. That's because they're both common knowledge. The bounds of common knowledge tell us where it's worthwhile finding citations for things and where it isn't worth the time. Insisting on RS's for common knowledge is not helping the encyclopedia; it is a hindrance. Jeh (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 09:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

text: @Jeh But... common knowledge among what group? Even your police analogy doesn't necessarily hold up to every group. In many countries, and even in some US municipalities, Police and traffic enforcement are two distinct and separate entities. To amateur radio operators, most of this article is common knowledge, but this,  and most of Wikipedia's articles, are not designed/written with the most knowledgeable group as the target audience. We are taught to be skeptical of anything that doesn't have a source— as we should be on an open source platform such as this. This may not be an article that has much disputed information, or one that is controversial, but unsourced information is still unreliable. Citations add a degree of trust to a piece of information, they also give readers a way to follow links and get more information on a particular subject, directly from the source. 2600:8800:5015:E500:3E24:293F:F63:E05F (talk) 18:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FRS investigation  

message: The article as it stands suggests that a US FRS radio (that doesn't have GMRS) is legal to operate in Mexico. However, as best I have been able to determine, this is not true unless the radio carries a certification for use in Mexico (analogous to the FCC ID on a US radio). So far I have not been able to find a source for this that would meet Wikipedia standards. A good informal source for this information is  Dr. Conspiracy (talk) 17:35, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FRS devices certified for Mexico