Talk:Langues d'oïl

message: I think this should be moved back to "Langues d'Oïl".  It's the term (even in English) that I have seen more frequently.
A google search reveals 28,700 hits for "Langues d'Oïl", and only about 15k for "Oïl languages".  Furthermore, "Oil Languages" is a misspelling.
Anyone oppose?  The Jade Knight 01:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page used to be at Oïl languages. We also have the fairly superfluous List of Oïl languages. I was (and still am) quite content with Oïl languages, as that's what I say in English myself. What I do not say in English is Oil languages - not only a misspelling but a mispronunciation. Man vyi 07:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And, of course, this page is still in :Category:Oïl languages! Man vyi 11:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, the argument that diacritics are not used in English (and so that therefore the Oïl languages should be renamed in English Wikipedia) hardly stands up when one looks at:
*Franco-Provençal language
*Provençal language
*Niçard
*Māori language
*Mócheno language
*Pfälzisch language
*Na-Dené languages
*Bokmål
*Meänkieli
*Võro language
*Luiseño language
*etc
Man vyi 11:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*Support.  Despite being in principle against non-English titles and diacritic creep, Langues d'Oïl seems to be the correct title.  A pure English title would be the somewhat confusing "Yes Languages." LuiKhuntek 19:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have changed the explanation of Francien. 
Liam D 23:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francien 

message: Why is there nothing about Switzerland here? See Swiss French article. How did French reach the western cantons of Switzerland, and how long has it been there? --MacRusgail 15:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Switzerland

message: It seems there is a differénce between conforming to common term, and Frenchification. Is the titling of this article not more in accord with the latter? -Stevertigo 21:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Frenchification]] 

message: Aside from a few quaint street signs, shop names and hobbyists, is there any use of an oïl language other than French spoken at a level that would be unintelligible to the average Frenchman?
I don't ask this to be snarky, I am genuinely interested in whether Gallo, Champagnois, Picard, Burgundian, etc. actually exist in any real usable form--a search in Google for most of these languages yields little more than links to Wikipedia, and other than Walloon, I don't think any figures are given to the number of speakers. 
Also, how much does each oïl language diverge French (in comparison, say, to Scots vs. English?)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As is the case with most of these minority languages, there is a problem of visibility - excluded from official use, they are used mostly at home or within traditional spheres - down on the farm, in the pub, at village meetings, rural markets and other arenas where speakers are likely to gather. As a Norman speaker, I know some Gallo speakers and Picard speakers, but that's just my anecdotal experience. Man vyi (talk) 07:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you speak Norman and be understood by Gallo and Picard speakers and vice versa?01:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I manage some simple and slow conversations with Gallo-speakers. I've attended story-telling and drama evenings and got the gist, and I can listen to Gallo broadcasts (but any humour or topical references go right over my head, so I don't manage to follow all that much). Anecdote: a couple of years I made some travel arrangements for some Gallo speakers and the meeting point on arrival was to be the harbour; they understood everything I communicated except the word for harbour - which turned out to be somewhat crucial. Picard's more difficult for me, as I come from the west so I only have occasional contact even with Cauchois speakers. By all accounts, Picard is easier to follow for Cauchois speakers. I've managed to be in a meeting where some of the discussion took place in Picard, but it was very difficult to follow. Walloon defeats me, really, and I've never got the impression that the few Walloon speakers who've heard me have ever been able to follow my Norman. None of this, of course, is encyclopaedic, but may be of interest. Man vyi (talk) 16:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The French actor Dany Boon speaks Picard fluently, and released a comedy DVD in the language (with French subtitles). Funnyhat (talk) 02:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite anecdotal evidence to the contrary, the fact is that many of these languages are endangered and some may already be extinct. Others survive outside of France where they have been suppressed less aggressively. Take for example Occitan, which survives in Italy and Spain but has almost disappeared from France. Or Wallon and Picard, which are still widely spoken in Belgium.Dave  (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 19:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point, the same seems to be true for Norman which has survived in Jersey and Guernsey. Aaker (talk) 14:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual Use? 

message: If this is Langues d'oïl and the other is Langues d'oc, what is Langues de si ? 76.66.193.119 (talk)
:I think that referred to Catalan and other Ibero-Romance languages. 98.209.116.7 (talk) 02:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, Langues de si definitely refers to those Romance languages that use a type of si for yes, including Portuguese.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djkernen (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and Italy. In fact, oïl/oc are outliers with regard to Romania continua, and according to the ALF (carte 958), reflexes of SIC are (were) found in the South of France, sometimes alongside HOC, sometimes not. The main point is that there were three major candidates for straightforward affirmative 'yes', not two, as the text states -- strangely, in that just a few lines further on it cites Dante's recognition of three types. 96.42.57.164 (talk) 15:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

text: No. The oc languages category was made for Occitan and Catalan. The si languages were Portuguese, Asturian, Spanish and a bunch of Italian ones. The medieval word for yes in Catalan is hoc. 46.25.8.55 (talk) 15:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Oil/Oc/Si

message: Why are some articles on oïl varieties located at "XXX language" and others at "XXX dialect". --JorisvS (talk) 08:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of articles on oïl varieties 

message: The green and yellow map suposed to show the distribution of these languages is more or less meaningless without a key.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.231.208 (talk) 19:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

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message: I added a part that explained that oil refers to an Old French word that became oui and not the nonpolar substance. But it was reverted. So does that mean langues d'oil and langues d'huile actually are synonyms? Does "oil languages" refer to actual oil? If so, how do the languages relate to oil the substance?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.215.124 (talk) 23:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of langues d'oil? 

message: === Oil and oc ===
The point of the name of this classification is the difference between the forms 'oïl' and 'oc', not the modern French form of the word 'language'. Suggesting the French form is used because it is native to the group is false, because as it stands, it is used with the 'oc' grouping, which is in contradistinction to the French.
=== Te reo Māori ===
We have Māori language, not Te reo Māori. Other languages do not use the native word for language, but the English, even when accents are used.
=== Chauvinism ===
The only reasons this has survived in English is by its use by French readers, which does not justify shoving it down the throats of English readers, and by the English inferiority complex arising out of the Norman invasion, and by French language chauvinism. The use of French grammar in pluralizing 'langue d' to 'langues d' clearly shows that French is being used in the article where English is policy.  See also 'Oil and oc'.
=== Move article ===
In conclusion, the reasons given for moving this article were false and irrelevant, and its name now is against Wikipedia policy and practice. It should be moved back to Oïl languages or Oïl or Oil languages, whichever is more in line with Wikipedia practices and policy. Please add your replies after this line. 121.127.200.1 (talk) 04:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oïl not langue 

message: In conclusion, the reasons given for moving this article were false and irrelevant, and its name now is against Wikipedia policy and practice. It should be moved back to Oïl languages or Oïl or Oil languages, whichever is more in line with Wikipedia practices and policy. Please add your replies after this line. 121.127.200.1 (talk) 04:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move article