Talk:Luby's shooting

message: Your POV is showing:   "eventually lead to the largely uneffective 1994 "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act" commonly called the AWB (Assault Weapons Ban)."
The correct word should be 'ineffective', but in any event, such a determination is beyond the scope of this article, right?Cpeterkelly 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Why isn't he on the victim list.
:Someone added him after you asked on 20 April.  Please sign and date your posts using four tildes (~~~~). --CliffC 20:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Gratia? 

message: This article lists Rep. Hupp as the sponsor of the gun law passed in 1995, but according to Hupp's wikipedia article, she wasn't elected to the legislature until 1996. 
69.255.82.121 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She probably testified in favor of the "shall issue" law, then was subsequently elected to public office as a result of her interest in political activism. However, if the dates above are correct, it would be improper to refer to her as "sponsor" of the legislation, at least in the legislative sense of the word. 69.42.7.212 (talk) 02:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Sponsor Clarification 

message: I would like to take the word "easily" out of this statement: "The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush and became part of a broad movement to allow U.S. citizens to easily obtain permits to carry concealed weapons". The adverb "easily" imparts a subjective tone to an otherwise factual statement. For example, in Texas, passing a background check to purchase a firearm, applying through the state DPS for a CHL application, sitting through 10 hours of instruction on self defense law and de-escalation, passing a firearm proficiency exam and paying the $170.00 application fee is not "easy".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SalsaNChips (talk • contribs) 19:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the "easily" sounds reasonable to me.  --CliffC (talk) 20:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably adding the word "more" in front of "easily" would have been just as acceptable, since it would have created a more-or-less objective comparison between two laws. 69.42.7.212 (talk) 02:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Easily"

message: Not that it's that important, but I served at Ft. Hood (in Killeen) until August 1990. I'd been out of the Army for about 14 months when this happened. I used to eat there occasionally just before church....on Wednesdays (this happened early in the day on a Wednesday). Sad, sad event. Buddpaul (talk) 22:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory 

message: Someone should add a short profile similar to the one found on San Ysidro McDonald's massacre. I do not have enough info to add it myself, but there should be more information on him. Thanks Who (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Jo Hennard profile summary 

message: I'm not trying to stir up controversy, but the trend with articles of this type has been leaning towards the use of the term "shooting" versus "massacre": 2013 Santa Monica shooting, Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 2012 Aurora shooting, etc. There are exceptions such as Virginia Tech massacre, but given the creations dates it would seem that the term "massacre" was used because of this article and/or the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre article. There is considerable discussion about the use of the term on the Virginia Tech article's Talk page.
Obviously it would still be in the article body and if the article were moved to Luby's shooting a redirect would be created and anyone using the term would still find the article.
I am in no way trying to change the impact or impression or any other interpretation of the event, this is simply for consistency sake with similar articles. Does anyone object to this move? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 20:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: After posting this about a month ago and with no objections, I have made the move of the article to Luby's shooting for the sake of clarity and consistency with other similar articles. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 17:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "shooting" or "massacre" in title 

message: Listing/Naming the survivors seems a bit much. I've scanned some other shooting articles and this is unusual. I am saving the info here for discussion, if necessary. Perhaps the sources may be useful for other info, though one (from the Wellington Leader) is incomplete and three others are by subscription only (from the Austin American-Statesman). Lightbreather (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing/Naming the wounded 

message: It has a video that doesn't load, and the text doesn't adding anything to the article, but I'm preserving it here in case someone else finds it useful.
* Updated October 14, 2011.
There are some archived versions at archive.org/web, but none of them work any better than the original. Lightbreather (talk) 23:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preserved sources 

message: A lot of the details in this article have no source. I am going to put an "in-use" tag on this for about 24 hours and rewrite a lot of it using details given in the sources. If someone wants to add details when I'm done, fine, but please provide sources if you do. Please do not simply revert to this frequently unsourced version. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 23:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In use 

message: Parts of this article appear to be unsourced, but I stumbled upon a "source" today that matches quite a bit of the version that was here before I started adding improvements. The "source" is:
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However, upon further investigation, some of the text in question in this article pre-dates the "source" date, so for now I am assuming that what we have is a case of backwardscopy.
The results from the Duplication Detector: .
I will take some more time to look the history over further and report. Whatever the outcome, the unsourced material needs to be properly sourced or removed. Lightbreather (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwardscopy 

message: Since I am on the cusp of retiring, I'm not going to fight it, but I think to call a massacre an "incident" is not NPOV. Shooting and killing 23 people, and wounding 28 others is more than an "incident," and to call it an incident is NOT NPOV.
From Merriam-Webster:
*incident - an unexpected and usually unpleasant thing that happens
*massacre - the violent killing of many people
When G.W. Bush's VP Dick Cheney shot a hunting companion, that was an incident. When Mark Chapman shot John Lennon, that was a shooting. What Hennard committed was a massacre. One might also say a mass shooting, but not just "a shooting." Calling this and other massacres shootings is like calling Hitler a tyrant; it downplays the truth of the matter. Lightbreather (talk) 18:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Incident" v "massacre" 

message: Figured i'd add a map of where the shooting took place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 00:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding a map of the location

message: A particular user seems to be pushing for the inclusion of a link to a dubious source that the shooting occurred in a "gun-free zone" just like the Sandy Hook, VT shootings, and the Pulse/Orlando shooting and that, somehow, that made it possible? I'm not sure I follow the logic train on this one. This particular information is not included in any of pages for these particular events and the topic itself is only mentioned on the VT page (as of a quick search today). I've invited the editor to respond the talk page. 67.149.186.215 (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gun-free zone" inclusion 

message: The type of gun used was recently removed from the Perpetrator section. I reverted the removal because the gun type adds clarity to the section. Please discuss any objections here. –dlthewave ☎ 20:42, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type of gun 

message: Is ghoulish, and encourages potential copycats. I don't see the value in posting it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.239.71 (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact ranking of deadliest attacks 

message: I just watched an episode of "I Survived" (season 4, episode 27), where one of the female survivors, Suzanna Hupp, tells her story. In her story she mentions how Hennard TRIES to retreat to the restrooms but was unable to because of the other cafe patrons that were hiding in there & preventing him from opening the door. Your article, like several others, lead the reader to believe he WAS possibly able to retreat into the restrooms. I found another article, (It was one from the Killeen Daily Mews, kdhnews.com, about the 25th anniversary of the shooting), that states "Hennard engaged the officers as he retreated to an alcove along the western wall leading to the restaurant’s bathroom." and "...the officers entered the restaurant and watched Hennard retreat to the bathroom alcove,..."  So according to one of the survivors' story & possible eye witnesses, Hennard never actually went into the restrooms but instead only reached the restroom alcove. 209.179.77.56 (talk) 01:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of where the killer retreated to. 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Is there a reliable source that says 27 injuries were caused by gunfire? The talk page for this article says 3 injuries were caused by glass so it looks like at most 24 people were actually injured by gunfire. Shouldn't the infobox be corrected/clarified? Yodabyte (talk) 09:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  27 injured?