Talk:American Whiskey Trail

message: Note: This page does not constitute copyright infringement because it's based on material on my webpage  The American Whiskey Trail, to which I hold copyright. David Justin 03:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement is incorrect - it is neither a copyvio nor is copyright surrendered to Wikipedia by submitting. Rmhermen 20:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL". It (was) a straight text-dump of copyrighted text. How can it both be under the GFDL and another copyright at the same time? It's my understanding that straight text dumps of copyrighted text (non-GFDL) are not allowed. --Stbalbach 22:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: If the submitter owns the copyright, he can submit it here. The GFDL does not mean a surrender of copyright. The writer still retains copyright to their material and licenses its use under certain conditions. (and so it is irrelevant if the material is composed first on Wikipedia or somewhere else) Licensing it here means that you cannot object if the material is reused under the terms of the GFDL, though. Rmhermen 17:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright

message: The opening paragraph doesn't say what the American Whiskey Trail is. What is it? A random person's personal website? ―BenFrantzDale 02:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is it? 

message: The bottom of the article says that Jim Beam is distilled in a dry county.  It is distilled in Clermont, KY which is in Bullitt Co..  I am 99% sure Bullitt Co. is a wet county.
:A little checking  proves you're right.JimBeamer 02:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Jim Beam really distilled in a dry county? 

message: this page needs one. ReverendG 05:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: Stbalbach, See that you moved the Washington's Distillery information to the Mount Vernon article.  Obviously, it could go there.  Seems to me that the information is directly relevant to this American Whiskey Trail article, especially in light of the intent of the Trail (from the wikipedia article) : "... a cultural heritage and tourism initiative of the Distilled Spirits Council in cooperation with historic Mount Vernon...".  The existence of an operational distillery, and the uniqueness of the product sales at the gift shop, seems to me to be a sound case for that information being here. - Thaimoss 23:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington's Distillery - Info is appropriate for American Whiskey Trail article 

message: I am inclined to nominate this article for deletion, rather than edit it to improve it.  It is based on a website that is not in the public domain, to a degree that is reasonable to call plagiarism.  There is an assertion above that it is not copyright violation, because it is asserted by an editor that he is the author of the webpage.  While that suggests that he himself is agreeing not to sue Wikipedia for copyright infringement, it is insufficient to make this an independent work.  It remains a heavily plagiarized article, and I further believe it actually is in copyright violation, too, though that doesn't really matter.  It may or may not be the case that this editor put this material into the public domain by copying it here.  However, the article should be deleted for many reasons, including that it is plagiarized, that it is based on just one primary source and seems to constitute original research or an original proposal, that it is not notable, and so on.  Sorry, it really is just rubbing me the wrong way.
One way in which it is plagiarized is in its assertion of various sources, which were included in the website article but which were not consulted by any editor here (unless by the editor who claims to have created the website).
The whole article verges on self-promotion.  I am left unsure whether there is any real "trail", that is a program of any real organization such as Mount Vernon.  And, if so, whether that is notable.  This does not seem comparable to organized trails on other topics, like women's rights leaders, that are programs of the U.S. National Park Service.
I will leave this comment here for a short while, to see if constructive discussion is generated.  This is kind of a courtesy notice, although perhaps the discussion should be at Articles for Deletion right away. doncram (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too fond of the article either – it is basically about a marketing program to help the producers of American whiskey and other distilled beverages to sell their products. However, the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States seems to be a real organization and their "trail" appears to be an actual program that they operate. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete this article?