Talk:Olympe de Gouges

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Needs work and more citations, but basically a B.
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message: anonymously removed "As she had little formal schooling and was illiterate, she must have dictated these to someone literate" and  changed her mother from "a seller of finery goods" into "a washerwoman", which hardly fits in with the description of a petit bourgeois family. Both changes were made without comment. No sources cited, but none cited for what was replaced, either. - Jmabel | Talk 03:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing "washerwoman" comes from , on the site of Sunshine for Women, neither a notably good nor a notably bad source. Does anyone have anything solid on this? I don't have anything solid either way on whether she was literate: my suspicion is that it is unknown. Her opponents played up her supposed illiteracy, her supporters denied it. Someone who wants to do some real research should be able to find something citable on each side of the question. - Jmabel | Talk 04:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: And now "at the age of 18 she fled her husband for Paris" has been changed without citation to "when her husband died she moved to Paris and took the name of Olympe de Gouges." Since nothing here is terribly well-cited, I'm not jumping in, but if someone finally decides to do some serious work here, this is another thing to sort out. - Jmabel | Talk 04:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable edits 

message: : I guess she didn't understand the meaning of the words MAN and CITIZEN, in "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen", taking them as they meant solely the MALE HUMAN BEINGS and the MALE CITIZENS.  A serios misunderstanding that cost her neck. A woman neck, not a male neck. 201.19.156.168 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Female Citizen" 

message: I am not an expert about Olympe de Gouges life... But...
In the English version it is written: "she challenged the oppression of male authority and the notion of male-female inequality. She lost her life to the guillotine due to her revolutionary ideas."
It seems like she die because of being feminist.
In the French version... it seems more that she has been condemned to death because she challenged Marat, Robespierre, and the girondin .
The French introduction say she died executed, and that at her death she let lot of writing for the women/men equality.
So... ("à sa mort sur l'échafaud en 1793. Elle a laissé de nombreux écrits en faveur des droits civils et politiques des femmes et de l'abolition de l'esclavage des Noirs")
Maybe the introduction has to be changed.Froggy helps ;-) 15:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time it didn't take much to end up on the guillotine, it was the terror after all, and most of those who started it also ended up without their head. Aesma (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason of her death & Introduction 

message: Recently added without citation "Gouges was also a flaming homosexual, and had many partners throughout her life." This should either be cited or removed. - Jmabel | Talk 05:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: Is it really correct to use the word feminist for someone who lived at the 18th century? Isn't it an anachronism? Aaker 19:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminist? 

message: What word should we use then?
I think feminist is just OK!
--Ludovicapipa yes? 20:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know actually. Is there no word that they used in those days for female freedom fighters that is still in use? Aaker 09:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It would be very interesting to find whether there is a word, or there was one. Don´t know how to find out. For us, she is/was a feminist though. She was also a revolutionary.
--Ludovicapipa yes? 11:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Word

message: Some online sources also say she was born in 1745; however this article references both dates and the French version of her page says only 1748. Does anyone know which is correct? - IstvanWolf 10:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  birth year: 1745 or 48? 

message: J'ai donné une contribution hier sur Olympe de Gouges, or elle a été censurée. Je vous rappelle que je suis le principal biographe d'Olympe de Gouges et que mon premier livre sur le sujet a été publié en 1989, réédité en 1989 et une nouvelle version, avec des augmentations importantes a été publiée en 2003 aux editions rené Viénet. J'ai également publié les écrits politiques d'Olympe de Gouges publiés en deux volumes aux editions Côté femmes (1993).
Ma biographie a été traduite en allemand et c'est à partir de la version allemande que Paul Noack a publié, en Allemagne, sur le même sujet en utilisant mes travaux. Or dans votre notice, vous vous référez uniquement à Mr. Noack : ce n'est pas sérieux: vous devriez diversifier vos sources et au mois citer mes propres travaux réalisés à partir des archives françaises. D'autre part, le portrait que vous publiez a été reproduit sans mon autorisation, car je possède les droits de ce tableau qui est à Paris. Je vous demande donc des explications sur la censure dont j'ai été l'objet.
Olivier Blanc (Paris)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.204.155.28 (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olivier Blanc 

message: The following paragraphs are garbled:
possess equally the right to mount the speaker's platform."
That same year, in response to the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, she wrote the Déclaration des droits de la Femme et de la Citoyenne ("Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Citizen"), the first declaration of
been guillotined.
In addition, later on the page there is excess whitespace like this:
and then more text.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.14.154.3 (talk) 00:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Garbled

message: It was performed as L'Esclavage des nègres ("Slavery of the negroes")
:Translating the word as "negro" is an understatement. (Try using it in Paris and see how far you have to run for life.) 201.246.72.225 (talk) 04:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: 2013 Palgrave book: Reading Olympe de Gouges by Carol L. Sherman DOI:10.1057/9781137343062 Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 21:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reading Olympe de Gouges" 

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message: First recorded in English in 1851, originally meaning "the state of being feminine." Sense of "advocacy of women's rights" is from 1895. Instead 
Category:Women's rights is very much correct and doesn't fall int a misplaced ideological anachronism wishing to shape the past in its contemporary image and understanding. PS Same goes for the term suffragists.
*Anachronism - is a chronological inconsistency in some arrangement, especially a juxtaposition of persons, events, objects, or customs from different periods of time. The most common type of anachronism is an object misplaced in time. Doctoral historian (talk) 12:11, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unhistorical and Anachronistic: The use of a Feminist Category in This Context

message: Since this is a longstanding article with a consistent footnote style I wanted to open a conversation before making the change, but I'd like to convert this article to use Template:Sfn for the footnotes. I think short footnotes are clearer and more useful when an article frequently draws on different page numbers of the same source (as in, for example, Ōyama Sutematsu). Right now this article has a lot of citations to Mousset which really clutter the references. I've just acquired Olivier Blanc's biography and plan to add a lot of citations to it, which will also get repetitive. Are there any objection to switching to the sfn style? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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