Talk:Xbox 360 Elite

message: Edit made by anonymous user stated that an official announcement hadnt been made and that the console hadnt been announced - it has so ive undone their edit Redspecial68 12:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc comments 

message: Didn't Microsoft state that new 512 RAM mem was going to be in the Elite? Elite Deforce 00:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  512 MB RAM? 

message: I've requested protection so that idiots can't replace the article with (perhaps correct!) mockings of the xbox 360 Paulfp 21:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the protection permanetn? If so, sould someone replace the tag with sprotected2J.delanoy 15:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: The Black console is a limited edition. I've re-edited it again with the source. WILL IDIOTS STOP CHANGING IT TO NOT LIMITED WITH NO FRIGGIN SOURCE TO BACK IT UP!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH OKAY GUY http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168182.html
As for the fate of the current hard-drive-less $299 Core Xbox 360 and 360-equipped Pro Xbox 360 models, Penello said they would continue to be offered. He also confirmed that the new model would be a permanent addition to the 360 product line and not a limited edition.
:: Hmmm, well as it stands now that paragraph doesn't really make sense, because here on Wiki it's now stating that it will be a third model, yet the reference link points to a source saying that it WILL be limited edition, and once it's sold out the premium will just mirror the Elite's specification. I think either the article or the source should be changed (whichever turns out to be true) but I don't want to piss anyone off so I'll just leave it for someone else ;) Paulfp 08:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, that reference link most certainly does not point to a source saying it will be a limited edition.  You must have misread it. As such, I don't think it needs correction. Michael.A.Anthony 17:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I got mixed up when I was writing that comment... the bit I'm referring to in that quote is this: "Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI." which is in contradiction to what this article says: "The black-cased console [...] will feature as a third SKU alongside the Core and Premium bundles and will always be available for purchase, rather than being a limited edition model." am I right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulfp (talk • contribs) 20:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a second refernce link onto the paragraph, hopefully that will eliminate some confusion.  Although I still can't tell from the available information whether the black casing is limited edition or not. --Deathbane27 02:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE BLACK IS LIMITED 

message: http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=52196 - Just thought it may help your discussion.--Dlae 13:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little something 

message: Would it be fair to add a list of common criticisms to the article?  In particular, I wanted to mention that because the 1080p signal that the X360 sends is upscaled on the console end, the HDMI cables give no visual advantage while playing X 360 games and that DVD-9 does not have the storage capacity for digital audio, and as such there is no audio advantage either.  These are all verifiable claims, but would this be appropriate?  I think it would be, but I'm looking for a second opinion. Michael.A.Anthony 17:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a bit of criticism would be nice, as similar articles have them as well. Although not necessarily the ones you mentioned. (Myscrnnm 01:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not own a PS3, and within my own subjective capacity to make decisions, I consider it stupid.  However, my personal opinions not withstanding, what you have said is demonstrably and inarguably erroneous, and I recommend you do further reading.  130.15.225.207 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: A Criticism's section?  For what purpose?  To give gizmodo et al. more opportunity for pointless barbs?  The Elite is exactly as MS intended, and it is well received.  The usual MS-haters aside, what _valid_ or worthwhile criticism does it have?  Nonsense. Wageslave 00:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms? 

message: Is the Elite really notable enough to earn its own article or would a section on the main XBOX 360 page be more appropriate? I am not aware of another Wikipedia page devoted to what is essentially a minor revision of an existing product, the PS2 slim doesn't have its own page. I cannot see there being much more information released on the Elite to add to the article and the information there is could easily be included on the main page. SkorponokX 18:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd have no problems with it being merged into the main article Paulfp 20:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it should have it's own article just as the Nintendo DS Lite has it's own. Silver Sonic Shadow 20:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think this should have its own article. I agree with Silver Sonic Shadow. And if the PS2 SLim doesnt have an article, it should. i'm not gonna make it since i dont know much about it though. --Nick Scratch 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also agree that the PlayStation 2 SCPH-70000 series should have its own article. However, this Xbox 360 Elite article is just so justified because whereas when SCEI releases a hardware revision, it's not supposed to be an upgrade. But with the Xbox 360 Elite, Microsoft is basically screwing over the early adopters who bought the Xbox 360 Premium assuming they were getting the highest-end Xbox 360, but have now been screwed over by Microsoft. (Myscrnnm 01:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmmm - POV, lads, POV. You can get the main advantage of the Elite separately in the white 360 scheme in the form of the 120GB HDD. Also, HDMI is aimed solely at the American market - the only main 360 market where HDMI is in common usage. There is no practical advantage to having an Elite over a previous model unless you have a HDTV - and the quality difference between HD-Composite and HDMI is miniscule. No - it is the Elite owners who will be royally screwed for paying out extra for a new colour scheme.--JavaJawaUK 19:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the quality difference between composite and HDMI is huge. Composite has a maximum output of 480i (480 lines interlaced) while HDMI has up to 1080p (1,080 lines progressive). Not to mention composite is analog while HDMI is digital. Also, HDMI is NOT aimed solely at the American market. Sure, the French still use SCART, but Japan and others use HDMI. (Myscrnnm 19:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the poster was referring to component output, which he is correct in saying that when done correctly is almost identical to HDMI. --Ray andrew 19:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay then. But even when component AV has comparable video quality, HDMI is still far superior to it because it is able to carry Super Audio CD's sound format. Plus, the PlayStation 3 uses HDMI 1.3, which has support for the sound formats used in Blu-ray disc and HD DVD. Basically, it can carry next-generation lossless audio formats.(Myscrnnm 16:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate Article? 

message: Has anyone found definitive evidence that the transfer cable is also included in the Elite package?  I know it comes with the 120GB HDD, but what if you wanted to transfer your data from an old (20GB HDD) XBox 360 to your Elite console? OptimumCoder 04:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer Cable? 

message: Does anyone know if they will sell the black controllers, headsets, etc. separately also. Or will they not be sold other than with the console? Mawest11 04:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea they will be selling wireless controllers, charge kits, and headsets in black. --Ray andrew 15:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: They will all be available separately. --Ray andrew 03:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retail 

message: Does "The Elite will support the HDMI 1.2a specification, as development of the Elite began before the latest 1.3 specification was finalized" really belong. It sounds like a defense, specifically since the Playstation 3 is able to output at HDMI 1.3 and the specifications for it weren't released until June 22, 2006. Hempeater 22:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so they expect us to believe that the Xbox 360 Elite was in development since before the PlayStation 3? I say this is bull. Is there even a factual basis for the statement you quoted?!(Myscrnnm 03:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the section about it being in development before 1.3 was finalised should be taken out, especially as there is no citation given. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.61.241.100 (talk) 18:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDMI Output 

message: I read an article on dailytech that says someone got the console. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6974 —Anas talk? 18:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, some stores have already released them. I've seen it reported on Engadget. (Myscrnnm 03:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out? 

message: I'm confused about the DVD playback using the HDMI cord. The sentence makes it sound that the Elite will not play HD-DVD movies but will play DVDs to the point that they look like HD-DVD. Is this true or does it need rewording.
Basically will the HDMI cable make DVDs look better than using the original component cables?
192.122.237.11 18:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Xbox 360 Elite will 'upscale' ie, make a higher resolution of an image from the DVD, rather than just outputting the standard resolution, so they look better. They will not however, look as good as a movie captured in HD. Much of the article does need rewording anyway. RC Master 20:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused 

message: ok this is my question 
does this thing can support 1080p via HDMI?
If it does, imma buy it!!!!!!!!!!!
and how can i get a black 360 A.S.A.P.????? it looks soooo nice
: Yes, it can ouput 1080p via HDMI. All Xbox 360s are also capable of outputing resolutions up to 1080p via Component or VGA connections. Though not all HDTVs can accept 1080p signals, and fewer can do that over component. RC Master 20:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although all XBOX 360's can all ready produce 1080p signals and send them accross componant ,for example (like I do with mine), HDMI is just a simpler and easyer way of sending 1080p signals to your HDTV. For example, HDMI is compaired to the SCART cable of the SDTV world. - 82.26.192.3 08:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the million dollar question 

message: Does ALL 360s will have an HDMI output? not just the Elite. --MarioV 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No only the elite has HDMI, the others can output via component and VGA at up to 1080i and 1080p respectfully. --Ray andrew 00:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was a rumour that later this year when MS move to the 65nm process they would update the hardware; so all SKUs would use the same motherboard and hence all have HDMI ports. But currently, thats just a rumour, and only the Elite has an HDMI port for now. RC Master 20:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As of August 2007, the premiun also has an HDMI output. (Question Resolved)--MarioV 22:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDMI on all versions? 

message: I don't think the Elite deserves a full article. If so, why don't you make the PSOne a full article?
-I agree, there is no need for a Elite article considering its not a "new" system. If it were like that then PSOne, Slim PS2 needs one too
I think it should be a full article just like the Nintendo DS Lite and Game Boy Advance SP are full articles. If you think the PSOne or Slim PS2 should be an article then you could be bold and make one for them. Silver Sonic Shadow 19:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly think that this article should be kept seperate from the main Xbox 360 article for one reason. The 360 article is long enough without the added length that would come from merging this article into the main one. Just look at the PS3 article. It is way too long, but no one can figure out how to make it shorter. Don't do the same thing with the Xbox 360 article.___J.delanoy 00:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Article 

message: Anybody know why MS made the console dark grey rather than the advertised black?   The controller and the console itself are different shades. —The preceding Mayko-Crossfire 05:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Advertising in terms of color? 

message: So which DVD Drive the Elite comes with? the Samsung? the Hitachi? or the BenQ? --MarioV 19:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   DVD Drive  

message: Where is the 360 Elite. I've herd of it everywhere but I've never seen it. I've gone to every store, malls and whatnot and I've never seen it. Where are they? Iv'e seen the Black controller and 120GB hard-drive but never the Elite. --TheGreenLink 18:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where? 

message: In the Reaction section, this article implies that Microsoft is neutral in the debate over Blu-ray versus HD DVD.  The format war article that it links to, though, states directly that Microsoft sides with HD DVD.  Which one is right/up to date?
-VetteDude 02:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microsoft "format wars" position? 

message: The price of the XBOX 360 Elite in England is £329.99 ! Animal91X 10:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XBOX 360 Elite - England 

message: Now that the Xbox 360 Elite and Premium/Pro models are both shipping with all the same internal parts (IE: the same motherboard and HDMI port), I propose that the two articles be merged. I didn't believe the Xbox 360 Elite should have it's own article to begin with, but now it deserves it even less. It's hardly a major hardware revision like the PSOne, PS2 Slim, etc, and even those don't have their own pages. The fact of the matter is that the only difference between the Elite and Pro/Premium models now, is the color scheme, and the size of their hard drives. And quite frankly, if we're creating articles for every single color variant now, then the GameCube, GameBoy Advance, and so on, should each have about 10 articles. Thusly, I'm proposing a merge. Believe it or not the majority of this information can be inserted into the Xbox 360 article without bloating it. --Venomaru 2.0 22:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well thank you muchly, TH1RT3EN. I was planning on doing it tomorrow, as I finally have a whole day free, but now I have even less to do and more free time, so again, thank you. --Venomaru 2.0 02:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I went ahead and merged the page into Xbox 360#Xbox 360 Elite. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 17:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well thank you muchly, TH1RT3EN. I was planning on doing it tomorrow, as I finally have a whole day free, but now I have even less to do and more free time, so again, thank you. --Venomaru 2.0 02:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page merged