Talk:Pascual Orozco

message: I have removed this redundant paragraph:
*He led a small guerilla band in northern Mexico, making occasional raids across the US border. After raiding a ranch his band was pursued by Texas Rangers. Orozco was shot and killed; it was not until afterwards that his pursuers discovered he was anything other than a common bandit.
Nonetheless some info should be merged with the article's paragraph descibing the incident.
--Tycho 19:45, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: :When Díaz presented his resignation, Orozco was named commander of the Rurales in Chihuahua and governor candidate for Club Independiente Chihuahuense, an antagonistic organization to Francisco I. Madero.
What are the Rurales? — J3ff 10:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Members of the policía rural federal. –Hajor 14:43, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rurales 

message: Are there any citations for the following individuals and family branches? Names and lifetimes of his relatives are useful, if cited from somewhere, but because these were added anonymously without comment, I'd really like to see some citation:
* We have citation  for his parents names, but not for the date (1852 - 1948); also, that date is in there in a way that seems to apply to both parents, who presumably would not have had the same birth and death year.
* Aitana Vazquez Armendaraz (1821 - 1906)
* Armendaraz family from Navarre, Pamplona, Spain
* Don Fransisco Vazquez de Molinar' (1826 - 1888) was decendent from the Spanish Hapsburg family in Burgos, Spain
*  Dora Vazquez Molinar' Gonzalez (1879 - 1956) and husband, Carlos Diaz-Ferrales Gonzalez (1878 - 1953)
-- Jmabel | Talk 03:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives 

message: Orozco and Villa first demonstrated open rebellion against Madero and his regime by bursting into a cabinet meeting on 13 May 1913.
This has to be wrong. It couldn't have happened on that date in 1913, 1912, or 1913. Madero wasn't in office in office in May 13 1911, and he was murdered on Feb 22,1913. Orozco began his rebellion in March 1912, so by May 1912 he was in exile. Also, he wouldn't have done this accompanied by Villa: Villa fought against the orozquistas. Unless someone wants to correct this, I'm going to take it out. Tubezone 04:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This would have occurred in May 1911.  Diaz was still President, but Madero claimed he was really elected in the last election, and was in command of the rebellion to remove Diaz.  This incident happened after Orozco and Villa captured Ciudad Juarez and they wanted to execute the Federal commander.  Madero decided that he would not authorize the execution.  See Frank McLynn's book "Villa and Zapata" (2000) pages 96 &97.Ramon4 (talk) 03:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

text: First thing, the "picture" is a ballad praising Orozco, it reads as follows: Brave fighter and faithful lover, you tear off the mask of the tyrant! The thankful and delirious people shake your ardent hand! To the unbeaten General Pascual Orozco!. Second, we're limited here to using public domain images, so there aren't a lot of choices. Tubezone 03:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: He was also conspiring with Germans and Victoriano Huerta for a counter-revolution, when he got killed. The picture was one printed in a Mexican newspaper praising his exploits, I think it's fair enough. Frankly, I don't care how he'd like to be remembered. Tubezone 07:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No one is referring to him as a common bandit, but this is an encyclopedia article, not a eulogy. Also, unless references are provided to document the purported Habsburg lineage, I'm taking it out. Besides, I really don't see how it's pertinent, or why a Mexican would think there's any prestige in being related to a people who exploited his own country. Heck, Villa had all the Spaniards in Chihuahua deported. Tubezone 01:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date Error 

message: The following was removed with an edit summary that said it was wrong chronologically. It certainly was not in the right place in the article, but was it inaccurate? If not, it just be moved to the correct point in the narrative. If the errors are minor, then they should be identified and the bulk of it restored.
Huerta retuned to Mexico City strengthened by his agreement with Orozco, and a short time later he led the La decena tragica (Ten Tragic Days) in which Félix Díaz (the dictator's nephew), Orozco, Bernardo Reyes, and Huerta who had all once been fierce enemies joined forces in February 1913 and overthrew and assassinated President Madero. Huerta's coup-government was short-lived, however, and in July 1913, he was forced into exile: first England, then Spain, and then the USA. There he met up again with Orozco, and the two began to plan a new rebellion at El Paso, but they were placed under house arrest by the U.S. government.
- Jmabel | Talk 01:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The material I am familiar with indicates that Orozco did not arrive in Mexico City until after La decena tragica was over (he had been fighting against the Madero government, if he'd been there, he would have been in jail with Reyes and Diaz). The stuff about Huerta going into exile is correct, and is covered in the Huerta article. Tubezone 01:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decena Trágica 

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