Talk:Ring-opening polymerization

message: ===Response to Reviewers===
The structure of the article was re-organized.  The focus now is on the mechanism/synthesis of ROP, with links to their related or main articles.  We revised the Thermodynamics section and decided to put it last, as suggested.  Also, we grouped all the mechanisms under one section, "Mechanisms of ROP", as suggested by the librarian.  Now the information are in their respective categories (sections).  
Overall, the article is better organized. The references were also fixed, using doi and let wiki auto-cite (therefore, the link will lead to the actual article; we did not cite the abstract because this should be included in the website of the article).  Likewise, relevant concepts are now linked to their respective wikipedia pages.
We also revised the figures and fixed any errors associated with them (wrong/missing arrows, small radical, etc).  The format of the figures was changed to .png, as suggested, to preserve the quality of the figures when uploaded to the website.  We decided to keep the size and position of some figures because they flow with the text.  For example, all the mechanism figures were kept large and centered because it is easier to read the figures this way and avoid wrapping around the text (as in the case of figures positioned to the right or left).
The introduction was revised and key concepts were linked to their appropriate wikipedia sites to aid the understanding of the terms. Some sentences were re-worded so that a lay-person can understand. In this sense, the changes were not huge because ROP is a type of polymerization and anyone who visits this page would have a basic idea of what polymerization is.  Two more sentences were added for the purpose of clarification too. A generic figure and IUPAC definition were added to complement the intro.  The intro was also restructured so that the information is better organized.
In “History” section, the chronological ambiguity throughout the section is now resolved. All the previous works were cited accordingly. The word “synthesis” is now uncapitalized. Leuchs et al is now cited. The work of establishing mechanisms and thermodynamic in 1950’s was specified and cited. Information regarding vinyl polymerization and polycondensation is now removed since it disjoints the brief overview of the history. “Following control” is now translated into “controlled radical polymerization". "Vinyl polymerization" is not properly linked.
In the "Mechanisms of ROP" section, the information was revised and checked for any errors and also made consistent with regard to organization and punctuation. Under radical ROP, we reworded some of the sentences and reorganized information so that the concepts are clearer and the flow of information more logical. Additionally, we redrew the figures for this section.
AROP was also expanded and figures were added to complement the text and was made consistent with the other mechanism subsections. Information regarding the transfer/termination of AROP was clarified. Likewise, the ROMP subsection now contains a mechanism and a figure (previously, the subsection was simply about the catalysts used for ROMP).
In “Thermodynamics” section, the paragraphs were re-organized to exhibit the smoother flow of the content. All the symbols are denoted accordingly as well as their units. The sentence with the parentheticals is re-organized and moved to the introduction part.  Kinetics were removed to focus on the thermodynamics.
In "Copolymerization" section, the content is now supported with the corresponding citations. The mechanism figure is now added to delineate the synthetic method.
Other general overall edits:
*Removed all red internal links in article
*Adjusted the size and location of images to make the flow of the page better
*Reformatted most images to .png for better resolution; three images left in .tif because they look sharp online
*Also combined the mechanism sections under one Level 2 section  
Mr.Holmium (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review and responses during the educational assignment in March 2014

message: The structure of the article was re-organized.  The focus now is on the mechanism/synthesis of ROP, with links to their related or main articles.  We revised the Thermodynamics section and decided to put it last, as suggested.  Also, we grouped all the mechanisms under one section, "Mechanisms of ROP", as suggested by the librarian.  Now the information are in their respective categories (sections).  
Overall, the article is better organized. The references were also fixed, using doi and let wiki auto-cite (therefore, the link will lead to the actual article; we did not cite the abstract because this should be included in the website of the article).  Likewise, relevant concepts are now linked to their respective wikipedia pages.
We also revised the figures and fixed any errors associated with them (wrong/missing arrows, small radical, etc).  The format of the figures was changed to .png, as suggested, to preserve the quality of the figures when uploaded to the website.  We decided to keep the size and position of some figures because they flow with the text.  For example, all the mechanism figures were kept large and centered because it is easier to read the figures this way and avoid wrapping around the text (as in the case of figures positioned to the right or left).
The introduction was revised and key concepts were linked to their appropriate wikipedia sites to aid the understanding of the terms. Some sentences were re-worded so that a lay-person can understand. In this sense, the changes were not huge because ROP is a type of polymerization and anyone who visits this page would have a basic idea of what polymerization is.  Two more sentences were added for the purpose of clarification too. A generic figure and IUPAC definition were added to complement the intro.  The intro was also restructured so that the information is better organized.
In “History” section, the chronological ambiguity throughout the section is now resolved. All the previous works were cited accordingly. The word “synthesis” is now uncapitalized. Leuchs et al is now cited. The work of establishing mechanisms and thermodynamic in 1950’s was specified and cited. Information regarding vinyl polymerization and polycondensation is now removed since it disjoints the brief overview of the history. “Following control” is now translated into “controlled radical polymerization". "Vinyl polymerization" is not properly linked.
In the "Mechanisms of ROP" section, the information was revised and checked for any errors and also made consistent with regard to organization and punctuation. Under radical ROP, we reworded some of the sentences and reorganized information so that the concepts are clearer and the flow of information more logical. Additionally, we redrew the figures for this section.
AROP was also expanded and figures were added to complement the text and was made consistent with the other mechanism subsections. Information regarding the transfer/termination of AROP was clarified. Likewise, the ROMP subsection now contains a mechanism and a figure (previously, the subsection was simply about the catalysts used for ROMP).
In “Thermodynamics” section, the paragraphs were re-organized to exhibit the smoother flow of the content. All the symbols are denoted accordingly as well as their units. The sentence with the parentheticals is re-organized and moved to the introduction part.  Kinetics were removed to focus on the thermodynamics.
In "Copolymerization" section, the content is now supported with the corresponding citations. The mechanism figure is now added to delineate the synthetic method.
Other general overall edits:
*Removed all red internal links in article
*Adjusted the size and location of images to make the flow of the page better
*Reformatted most images to .png for better resolution; three images left in .tif because they look sharp online
*Also combined the mechanism sections under one Level 2 section  
Mr.Holmium (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Reviewers

message: Einsteinatemyhw (talk) 6:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Rasssar (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryan's Peer Review 

message: vechoe (talk)
Content
The introductory section might be difficult for non-experts to understand, especially when "cleavage of the ring" is mentioned. A picture might be useful here. Each section seemed to be the appropriate except there was a big difference between the length of the anionic synthesis and the others. It was the only one without a chemdraw figure, which might be helpful to include. To aid non-experts, maybe include hyperlinks to "ionic propagation" and "catalysts." Beyond that, just removing the dead links would help as there are many. The examples used and section organization makes the page very readable. The sections also make sense as to why they were chosen-based on the different types of ROPs. When compared to the existing page, there is definitely a lot more relevant and desired information. 
Figures
The figures are nice, easy to read, and guide readers appropriately. It might be helpful to separate the equations in a way that explains what the equations represent, specifically the three after the heading "At equilibrium (ΔGp = 0)..."
References
There is a good mix of journal and non-journal sources. I would double check the citations that were mentioned by the previous reviewer.
Overall Presentation
In the Thermodynamics and Kinetics sections, there is no kinetics subsection. I would include one or remove "Kinetics" from the section title. As far as the synthesis sections go, it might be beneficial to add examples to each of the sections, like you did for the radical ROP. I liked that you included the main articles, but still made more clarifications in addition to what the other main pages offered.
Overall, it is a very readable and high-quality page. The formatting makes it easy for a reader to obtain the desired information and be on their way. Great job!
Vechoe (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Unfortunately, two of your peer reviews are quite short. I have asked one of them to write a more substantial one and post it by 12 noon tomorrow (March 4th). The intro definitely needs a generic figure that gets the idea across and perhaps a few more sentences to clarify the concept. Right now the sentences that are there are too technical for a general audience. Think about explaining the concept to your parents. Each section should have a figure of either a generic or representative example. I found the thermodynamics section to be clunky. Is this somewhere else on Wikipedia that you could simply link to? At the least, I would move it to the end of the page so that the focus is on the synthetic methods. UMChemProfessor (talk) 16:27, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Instructor Comments

message: A few more suggestions here. 
* There are many red internal links in your article. Some of them can be corrected. For example, "vinyl polymerization" in the first paragraph of History can be linked to Vinyl polymer with syntax like  vinyl polymerization
* You may adjust the size and location of some images to make the article looks flowing better. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for tips. 
* The format of the pictures are not consistent too. It's recommended to use either .png or .svg format for better resolution and online display. 
* The mechanism sections (radical, Anionic, Cationic etc.) could be combined into one Level 2 section. Your probably do not need sub-sections under each type of mechanism.  
ChemLibrarian (talk) 17:23, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions from ChemLibrarian 

message: Technically, this isn't set theory so I reworded it. I know what was meant, but subset is solely for data sets and the like. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 17:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subset?