Talk:Filipino Mestizos

message: That's exactly what confuses non-Filipinos into believing that Filipino is a separate race from Spanish or Chinese, when Filipino is just a nationality term, Malay or Austronesian, Spanish, and Chinese make up the ancestry of the Filipino PEOPLE. You're just confusing people even more by not using the term Malay, which by the way, is what Jose Rizal used. He never said "My Filipino people", he said "My Malay people" so why is it so wrong to use the word Malay? The purpose of this article would be to especially educate non-Filipinos, and whoever decided to change Malay to Indigenous Filipino, you're just adding to the confusion instead.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.110.66 (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the use of 'indigenous Filipino'?

message: Edited the entire page, removed and replaced all unverifiable and biased content with entries that are neutral and verifiable. Everyone is encouraged to contribute more verifiable and unbiased information relating to the article.  -- Heroditoes
:Changed "native" to "indigenous". "Native" as a noun can mean someone born in a place as in "Native of Boston"; as an adjective can mean belonging to or originating in a place as in "Native American". Native-born but pure-blooded Spaniards were called "criollos" in Spanish-ruled Americas and "insulares" or "Filipinos" in Spanish-ruled Philippines. To avoid possible confusion with being native-born,  the word "indigenous" is used instead of "native". Anti beast (talk) 06:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Clean-up

message: Is there a factual basis that Spanish mestizos rarely intermingle/intermarry with the indigenous natives because of a negative social consequence? For Chinese mestizos maybe yes but Spanish mestizo? No. Spanish mestizos are scattered in the archipelago and do not have any concentration in any areas in the Philippines (unlike Chinese mestizos). If the case stated in the article is true, then they are probably the most alienated amd loneliest mestizos in the world. It is totally impossible that this minority will not or RARELY intermingle with the indigenous since they do no see themselves different from them (aside from their ancestry). 
I know in Philippine's census, they never asked you of your ethnic background unless if you have recent non-Philippine ancestry. So how about Filipinos whose ancestors (during the Spanish era) are mestizos? clearly they do not document this as the people who does the census NEVER asked these kind of questions in the Philippines. Point is, Spanish mestizos mostly belong to upper and middle class is just a stereotype/assumption and not a fact. Are there any reference to this aside from the national demographics alone? If you based it on the demographics sheet, then it is flawed. As the likes of Pilita Corrales would consider themselves Cebuano than Eurasian. What more with Filipinos with no recent or direct Spanish ancestry?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by TruthComission (talk • contribs) 22:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish mestizos belonging to upper and middle class and rarely intermingle with the indigenous?

message: What happened to Junior Morales (Antonio Morales Barreto), and other people in the list of famous mestizos?
I've returned them now don't worry ;) but make sure that if you plan to put other names of mestizos make sure that there is proof. Otherwise if that particular person just "claimed" themselves to be mestizo then I must remove it. Blueknightex (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to Junior Morales?

message: This implies that there is a sort of “unfairness” in the entertainment industry and that the government should do something about it, like set racist representation quotas for non-kayumanggi and non-pango Pinoys on TV and in the movies. That indeed may be the wish of some, both Filipinos and foreigners, but it is definitely not in the interest of Wikipedia and its readers to take sides regarding this or any issue for that matter. Thus I rephrased the sentence.
Similar views would be that of Chinese-Filipinos being overrepresented in the business sector.
if the government did that then it would be branded racist don't you think?Australian Jezza 05:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overrepresentation

message: I have just reverted a recent edit of the population figure in the infobox.  The reason for the reversion is that the reversion cited two separate Wikipedia pages as supporting sources.  
Wikipidea Articles cannot be cited as supporting sources.  This used to be clearer and more visible in the guidelines than it currently is, but it can be seen in the guidelines as they currently stand in WP:RS#Generally_unacceptable_sources — in the list of examples of unreliable sources given there, see the example which reads:
:*Open wikis, including other language Wikipedias and even articles in this Wikipedia (when you find any sourced information on another wiki, you can validate and use the same source);
I will try to get this guideline made more visible. 
Also, parenthetically, I'm doubtful that the change would have been meaningful even if it had relied on citeable supporting sources.  It seemed to assert that since there are arguably X-many Eurasians of mixed ancestry (citing -implicitly via the wiki page cited directly- a Josua project source which does not verify this on the cited page) and Y-many Filipino Mestizos (with no cited supporting source), there are therefore somewhere between X and Y many total Filipino Mestizos. -- Boracay Bill 07:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of infobox population figure change 

message: Please do not delete this article! This is indeed a true fact, issue and a section about the Philippine colonial mentality that DOES exist on Wikipedia. It is on the Colonial mentality article if you want proof. The section that I have created on this article is not a NPOV  or some made up perspective from myself (which some users thought such as Jdcjds ! ). All I'm trying to do is link that section on the Colonial mentality with this article. Thank You Blueknightex (talk) 07:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: Use a "book" to find information and not your mouth or your personal point of view or other problematic issues. You will be surprised what you said are false. It seems you have not conducted a research study based on this issue. You have not provided any scientific or professional study. Your information is a philosphy are based on foreign issues and your Personal point of view. -- Jdcjds 3:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: I am not talking about Colonial mentality. I am talking about the "Favouritism issue", an information you have discussed in your subject of Colonial mentality. This is a controversial and vague information. There is no such thing as a "Favouritism towards mestizo"? Were did you get that information from?. Who conducted these research? Can you provide scientific and professional information conducted by scholars in regards to the word "Favouritism" on Filipino mestizo? It is a Personal Point Of View. Provide facts and not Nuetral Point of View. --Jdcjds 14:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial Mentality issues 

message: Once again, no reliable information has been conducted by scholars in regards to the information you have provided. Why are you linking Colonial mentality and Filipino mestizo, together. This article is not about politics. This is about an ethnic group. Your information is an issue from your point of view. Do not bring problematic issues or politics or other non-sense information in this article. Colonial mentality does not belong in this article. Once again, this article is about an ethnic group and "not" politics. Jdcjds 08:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:No original research]] on Colonial mentality or other

message: The definition of a mestizo as someone of "mixed filipino and any foreign origin" is incomplete. It implies 'filipino' is one race (presumably just the Malay/Austronesian one?). Filpinos of different racial origins can create mestizos. The Spanish, Chinese and whatever else I think have the right to be regarded as filipinos by this stage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.148.154 (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition is incomplete 

message: Please stop adding pictures or text about them in this article. While interesting, it is highly irrelevant to the rest of the content. Wikipedia is not a list of trivia.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 11:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Letizia and other Spanish royals with Filipino ancestry 

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message: Just want to ask who made the colonial caste system? I seriously think this to be false. You may want to check out the Filipinian section and many of the Filipino historians to check how the Spanish colonial caste system was in the Philippines because it is not the same as in the latin american countries. From what I read the colonial system in the Philippines goes like this:
I. Top: Pure Spaniards\European with 
 *1. Peninsulares (Spaniards born outside the Philippines) being on top
 *2. Insulares (Criollos or Pure Spaniards born and raised in the Philippines - the first term for "Filipinos")
Note:   Both resent each other. Peninsulares think they are superior than these "provincial" Spaniards and the Insulares hate the Peninsulares "worldly" arrogance. One of the priest in Gomburza was an Insulares, not mestizo.
II. Spanish Mestizos A. - many of the spanish mestizos who can pass for white may be mistaken or treated as insulares. hence, they have experienced certain privileges afforded only to Pure Spaniards
III. Mestizos
*1. Spanish Mestizos B. - half spanish-native mestizos who passed for mixed, or native. children of spanish mestizo and native.
*2. Chinese mestizos - usually children of bussiness-savvy chinese and natives, chinese and mestizo, or a mixed of the 3.
IV. Urbane population
*1. Indio A - (Urbane Indio) who lives near the city and usually interacts with Spaniards from time to time, comprises of the general colonized population at that time.
*2. Chinos A - pure chinese people/immigrants who changed their names and converted to catholicism, adopted the mainstream native culture and married a native
V. The "uncivilized"
*1. Indio natural - unconverted indios (and therefore not civilized to the spanish ways, usually live outside the spanish dominated areas like in the cordilleras)
*2. Indio Chino - Pure chinese or japanese immigrants that were not converted to hispanic mainstream ways (usually lives in the parian)
Not everything is black and white during that time. The ones being shown in the wiki seems like an oversimplification and seems highly imaginative than factual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.71.48.151 (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for the Spanish colonial caste system? 

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message: Hello, all! I'm working on developing the multiracialism article here on Wikipedia, and I aim to broaden the scope of the article to make it less Euro/American-centric. Because of the article's current focus, the experiences of multiracial individuals of Asian and Pacific Island heritage have been overlooked.
In light of this, I plan on including a section about mixed-race experiences in the Philippines and what it might mean to be multiracial in the PH. I was wondering if anyone on this page had suggestions or would be willing to provide direction for how this article might be structured. I have outlined my revisions and plans for more country-specific contributions (ex: what it might mean to be multiracial in Brazil) briefly in my sandbox if you're interested in the work I have planned. Please let me know if you would like to help me best represent our people. --Tmsloan (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bro trying to figure their race out is kind of silly. Personally I believe they were originally a mix of their native island genetics (Polynesian?) and Portuguese, then perhaps later on some African slaves got thrown in there. Definitely some kind of mestizo. 172.115.25.5 (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Developing the 'Multiracialism' Article