Talk:George W. Bush/Archive 8

message: GBWR, this should not have been marked a "minor" edit.  Nor was it "reverting vandalism" as the comment says:
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I don't agree with either version in the sense that I don't think anyone can authoritatively state what proof was shown to whom through diplomatic channels and back channels.  And the "proof" thing in general is a bit of a red herring.  Is there any war which started with a jury trial establishing findings of fact which were then accepted by both parties as a basis for the conflict stage?
Still, it was not a minor edit, and should not have been marked as such.--Roland Walker 16:39, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course that was vandalism, the anonymous turned the truth into its opposite. If he had anything to support his theories he could have discussed it. The Taliban were not shown proof that Bin Laden was behind the attacks, the US government refused to negotiate. "So the Taliban was threatened with military action." is not partisan. "Under the Geneva convention they do not qualify as prisoners of war as they do not represent the armed forces of any country" is not a fact but an opinion many law experts do not share. To characterize the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals]] as (well known as an activist Liberal court, and holds the distinction of the most over turned court in the union, and has gained the nickname of the 9th circus court, it is best known for it's pledge ruleing) and deleting 26 lines without justification is just trolling. Get-back-world-respect 17:10, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Not a minor edit

message: "Critics of that view say that the prior administration under-reacted to the World Trade Center bombing on February 26, 1993, treating it as a criminal matter rather than an act of war." - (World Trade Center?!)  Does this have any connection to the Al Queda or the Taliban?  I thought these people were caught. Kevin Baas 17:23, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just the point. They were caught and tried as criminals in open court rather than viewing the bombing as an act of war. The subsequent trial was attended by Al Queda sympathizers or operatives who took notes as the prosecution explained, in detail, the mistakes that the bombers had made which revealed the errors in the planning that failed to bring the Towers down. Ultimately, though six people (IIRC) were murdered and many injured, the jury didn't even give any of them the death penalty. This gave Al Queda and its sympathizers the indication that criminal trials were the only downside to their operations and, for people willing to commit suicide, that was no deterrent at all. -- Cecropia 18:44, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes, Afghanistan and Iraq already should have been nuked because Muslims had murdered people in 1993. The US should have nuked itself in order to make sure all sympathizers of the Unabomber would vanish, then the Anthrax letters never would have been sent either. If only Quebec had asked for some US weapons of mass destruction in order to eradicate itself and root out the separatists. Only problem: How to nuke Saudi Arabia, where most of the WTC terrorists came from, without damaging the precious oil reserves? And yes, Bin Laden for sure would have shied away from 9/11 had he known that the US would go and get him - which they still have not up to now. By the way, in order to join the EU a country has to have laws that ensure basic human rights, i.e. the death penalty has to be abolished. Get-back-world-respect 21:40, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If the US had understood the war nature of the first WTC bombing, Clinton might have grabbed bin Laden in 1995 when Sudan offered him on a silver platter. If 9/11 would have happened anyway, it would have been without bin Laden's work, at the least. -- Cecropia 22:25, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bombing and hijacking 

message: I've decided to opt out of this revert war. However, I'm aghast at the removal of the "Pussy" comment and the WMD joke. As I've said before, both notes are factual and reflect in a substantial way upon the man's character.
Just because these facts about the man don't portray him in the best light does not mean they should be excluded from Wikipedia. Do we exclude the fact that Jeffrey Dahmer was a murderer and cannibal? Of course not. We shouldn't exclude the WMD joke or the "pussy" comment either, then. 
I am taking this to Wikipedia:Requests for comment. 
Mike Church 17:40, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support a factual sentence or two about how Bush is known for verbal gaffes (similar to how this kind of thing is treated in James Danforth Quayle) but do not support the sprinkling of the article with random Bushisms. It adds little value and makes the article look biased. The "pussy" thing isn't even a quote with context. It's an anecdotal story which, even if true, doesn't give us the context of what really happened or even the original story (I couldn't find the 1988 Hartford Courant article). Even if it's just as you say, I do not feel it is particularly notable or horrifying. (If I didn't feel particularly horrified by a married president who had not-quite sexual relations with an intern, I'm certainly not going to think twice about a president who makes a crude comment like this.) If you have time to work on this article, consider researching and adding to the section about Bush's environmental record. Mdchachi|Talk 18:23, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

text: If there were a section addressing complaints about Bush, or, more likely, a link to a whole article on the matter, the pussy comment might be an interesting addition. As it stands, it is out of context. It may well be able to be employed for the purposes people have been describing here as a demonstration of Bush's character. As it stands, it wasn't doing that. Snowspinner 21:06, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also support the WmD Joke, as this made it into the news worldwide, and therefore is certainly encyclopedia material. I haven`t heard about the pussy comment, so I can't comment on that. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:16, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: No Excuse for Censorship