Talk:Aesop's Fables

message: Changed factually inaccurate information: Babrius wrote in Greek, not Latin, as his own page gets right.     —Nathanbethell
This article says about Babrius: "Current opinion is that he lived in the 1st century CE"
The wikipedia article on Babrius says 2nd century AD. Can someone knowledgeable resolve this inconsistency?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsseung (talk • contribs) 12:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A name for aesop fables 2C0F:ED28:5983:70A0:416E:F99A:1E4F:6BED (talk) 20:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: A hash of the material has been made by a well-meaning editor attempting to separate an (apocryphal?) Aesop from Aesop's Fables, There is no Aesop aside from the Fables and there is no single canonic collection of Aesop's Fables, to the surprise of many. I am putting 'merge' suggestions on both articles, so that we can build one strong inclusive introduction to Aesop's Fables as a unified phenomenon. --Wetman 3 July 2005 00:42 (UTC)
:(Why? Am i the 'well-meaning editor'? :) ) There were indeed some evidences suggesting the existence of Aesop. To deny it totally would not be NPOV. i personally think Aesop would warrant an article of his own; while his fables (true, many versions abound but so are the Holy Bible, Analects and many other more serious works that have survived the ages) deserve another. In short, i'm against merging. --Plastictv 3 July 2005 04:02 (UTC
::To discuss the reports of the legendary "Aesop" as an aspect of the phenomenon Aesop's Fables is sensible. "To deny it totally" would be jejune. "His fables" is vacuous: "his who"? Babrius? La Fontaine?  The sources concerning the Fables, which one might read before editing the articles, are all at Aesop, not here.   Editing is meant to improve texts. --Wetman 3 July 2005 04:34 (UTC)
:::... I realize I ought to know these things, but what exactly does "jejune" mean? As for my own two cents, I think there's enough evidence to provide a reasonable doubt of the claim that "there was no Aesop", in which case, just putting information about Aesop in this article would, uh, make it two long. --Yar Kramer 23:30, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just prove it yourself by trying a write a 300-word paragraph on "Aesop" without mentioning Aesop's Fables. See? Discussion of "Who was Aesop?" would make a very sensible section of the article Aesop's Fables. The various contributors to the Fables, like Babrius, should be discussed and linked. The claim that "there was no Aesop" is a part of the story : have you read a good preface to a collection of the Fables? But, is there a secret fear that might be expressed as, "If there's Aesop's Fables but no "Aesop", then is there a Gospel of Luke and no "Luke". A reasonable fear, but an entirely separate question.... --Wetman 00:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: i get what you're saying now. Aesop should be part of Aesop's Fables, right? i agree with you. But deep down i'd like to believe in the existence of Aesop, perhaps in the same way kids believe in Santa but what does it matter? :) Please go ahead and merge the articles. --Plastictv 06:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Under Clarifying the Distinction... below I have suggested the alternative approach of using selected details from one article in another as better than merging and wholesale transfer of material.  Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 08:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested merge [[Aesop]] and [[Aesop's Fables]]

message: The Frog and the Scorpion is listed as one of Aesop's fables, but on the main page of the former it is stated that this is "mis-attributed" as an Aesop's fable. Seems to me that more information should be presented in either case. 24.116.118.202 23:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Aesop" is a phantom: the authentic question is, where did this fable appear in  the compilations, such as that by Babrius? --Wetman 07:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Frog and the Scorpion 

message: I have been curious to see who added the assertion that La Fontaine's Fables were "partly inspired by the Aesop's Fables, although he acknowledges that the greatest part of them is inspired by the original Sanskrit version." La Fontaine makes no assertion even remotely resembling this in his Préface, which I have now linked to the article. It was User:Deeptrivia we have to credit, in edits made on 1 July 2006. A test of our alertness, no doubt. One that we have failed to detect for over a year. Is the following, added at the same time, also bogus: "A strong similarity exists between the Aesop's fables and some stories in the Panchatantra, which was translated from the Sanskrit original into Syriac under the name Kalilag and Damnag."?  One may wonder. --Wetman 10:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there was something in Ben E. Perry's introduction to Babrius and Phaedrus about how Aesop's fables were introduced and assimilated into the Indian tradition thereby explaining the similarities to the Panchatantra. I'll look it up. Poshzombie 21:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Excellent. Maybe even a quote... --Wetman 10:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. May need different formatting though.Poshzombie 22:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: that "Sanskrit" version...

message: The "Robert Temple" link leads to an entry about Robert K. G. Temple, author of _The Sirius Mystery_.  I believe that this is a different person than the translator. 128.147.28.1 13:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: dubious link

message: In the article it says,
Aesop's Fables have become a blanket term for collections of brief fables, usually involving personified animals.
and the word "personified" is linked to Personification. Wouldn't Anthropomorphism be a better choice? In that article under the section "Literature" it even talks about this as related to Aesop's Fables. --Doug talk 00:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personification -vs- Anthropomorphism 

message: The article almost consistently refers to Aesop as male, apart from the picture at the top of the article. Which is correct? Stormcloud (talk) 09:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender 

message: attributes "The old man on the frontier lost his horse" to Aesop yet the story does not appear to be mentioned in the article.  Is that link misattributing the story (at which point, I wouldn't expect to see it in this article, anyway) or does wikipedia just not contain any discussion of that story? TerraFrost 08:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The old man on the frontier lost his horse 

message: I've put a tag suggesting a merge from Aesop among the Jews, because much of the content of that article is already summarised here, with the benefit of 100 years more scholarship.
It would be good if somebody could seriously go through the Aesop among the Jews article (which, being a straight import for the 1906 JE, takes no account of this article existing), and consider how much of it really ought to stay there, and how much is already better treated here.  At the moment that whole article is a very odd read, and feels very "unwiki".  It could really do with a sympathetic editor to contextualise and focus the material much better, relate it much closer to here, and generally make it a better-guided read. Jheald (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not merge these articles. they are seperate topics and by adding more and more information to one article, it makes it harder to find a specific thing. it will just cause trouble for researchers and people using this site.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Livilu211 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Under Clarifying the Distinction... below I have suggested the alternative approach of using selected details from one article in another as better than merging and wholesale transfer of material. I have copied this message here and the one above from the consideration of much the same subject in an earlier strand. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 08:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Having attempted the editing suggested, I have found the article on Aesop Among The Jews virtually unusable. The material is out of date, unsourced and obscure to a general reader. I have therefore recommended that it should be deleted altogether. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 22:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge from [[Aesop among the Jews]] 

message: would someone be so nice to edit the origins section, it's confusing and could use some clarity  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onepoint (talk • contribs) 17:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone please edit the  Origins section  

message: I want to reopen this discussion - the topics and material in these two articles are hopelessly intermixed. I don't think they should be merged - both are already overlong - but all the material on the fables (which make up most of the article on Aesop) should be moved to Aesop's Fables. 
The article on "Aesop" should:
:Point at the beginning to the article on the Fables;
:Discuss the possibility that there was a historical Aesop;
:Explain that most of the stories we have of his life are almost certainly mythical, and go through the sources chronologically and systematically.
The article on "Aesop's Fables" should:
:Point at the beginning to the article on Aesop;
:Explain at the beginning at they come from very heterogeneous sources and that there is much debate about the various lines of transmission;
:Go through the sources we have for the fables chronologically and systematically.
:Since there's so much information, much of it should be spun off to separate articles (some of which already exist) on Phaedrus, Babrius, the prose Romulus, etc. Probably the various surviving anonymous Greek collections shouldn't be a separate article but should be discussed fully in "Aesop's Fables."
Thoughts? 207.68.240.26 (talk) 16:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying the distinction between [[Aesop]] and [[Aesop's Fables]] 

message: Why are the titles of the fables presented in italics?  They are not major works.  Some last barely a paragraph.  Would it not be more appropriate to present them in quotes, like other short works, such as short stories and short poems? Robert K S (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicization for fables? 

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replies: text: The problem with having Walter Crane as the highlighted article is that it only appears in a gallery there. There's more context in this article, especially when paired with the part about the fables being retold in limerick format -- in that sense, it's helpful to have an example of one of those limericks. howcheng  {chat} 17:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: The subject, as foreseen, was complicated. The article was eventually created between 26 Feb and 5 March 2011 under the title The miller, his son and the donkey. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: his fables are kind i love it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.18.86.142 (talk) 22:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aesop fables 

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message: Caxton records some 350 fables by Aesop; the recent Penguin Books Complete Aesop (which isn't) has 450, while 584 are listed in the Perry Index. In view of this, red-listing just titles of fables at the foot of this article would be ridiculous. It only seems useful to feature those with WP articles devoted to them there, as at present, as a supplement to its information. Any thoughts? Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 11:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Recently the long-standing image of the 1885 Aix en Provence edition of Marbot's Les Bambous has been changed for the plainer cover of the 1931 Paris edition on the grounds that it is "by far the most sought-after edition". However, that justification does not meet the guideline on MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE. There was no mention in the article of that 20th century edition of a 19th century work; in addition the cover is ambiguous, giving the impression that the prominently displayed name of the translator is in fact that of the author. In order to give the image of the 1885 edition more relevance, I have added a brief sentence with a reference to an article that discusses the book's bibliographical history. Since the topic may verge on the controversial, this explanatory thread has been created for further discussion of the matter. Sweetpool50 (talk) 11:29, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creole editions 

message: , the article makes clear that the fables ascribed to Aesop are in reality from a variety of sources, some predating his traditional dates, others not even of Hellenic origin. It is further explained in the lede that no written collection of such fables in his name is known to have existed before the 4th century BCE (and even that one no longer exists). The "books of the 7th/6th century" category is inappropriate for stories only in the oral tradition at that period. Sweetpool50 (talk) 09:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book categories 

message: Would the popularity of Aesop's Fables be comparable to the Dictionary or Lexikon? should this also be mentioned in the article?Odenwald Monkey (talk) 04:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Popularity