Talk:Punch (combat)

message: I question the relevance of a link to a, mainly, philosophical view about punching in the context of 
Wing Chun against a, say, more definition-centric approach to the same.
I suggest linking to the appropriate section in the Wing Chun entry of Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Chun#Punches
While we're at it, I suggest adding links to other MA's punching sections.
Punch away! o_x @==  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASMB (talk • contribs) 16:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Relevance: Kung Fu Magazine's "Wing Chun Punch" link

message: I have only found references to this on the Fight Nerd video about the Mixed Martial Artist Fedor Emelianenko's striking, is there any more source for this style of punching?  Does it have a different name?  Also that particular punch they are attempting to replicate is just a quick haymaker with a lot of body weight and technical body movement in it, you can see the striking part of the hand is often the inside of the fist, the side, or the wrist/forearm area if you slow it down.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.203.150 (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Casting Punch"

message: Does anyone have a name for the silly linked double-handed strike, which Kirk uses in Star Trek, and which was common in barfights in Hollywood westerns?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.245.162 (talk • contribs) 
:Yeah, it's called the "Kirk chop".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.80 (talk • contribs) 
::Most techniques have many names, and the only one I know for this one is the 'Mongolian Chop'. I've only heard it referred to this way when it's done in a downward motion. Chaos0mega 02:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about a rabbit punch?  Perhaps it refers mostly to the target, but to me anyway that term also connotes a hands-together double punch. --204.155.226.2 18:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Trek punch

message: Punches are not weaker than kicks. Who writes this stuff? Not someone who trains in kickboxing or mma, that's for sure.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.80 (talk • contribs) 
Of course they are. The leg is a heavier limb controlled by a larger and more powerful group of muscles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caerodyn (talk • contribs) 11:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Punches are not weak

message: I feel there needs to be a section on how to punch properly without hurting the thumb and alike. Wikipedia is very vague on this, and should expand since many amatures might hurt themselves. Also i cleaned this up a bit so its more organised :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.3.208 (talk • contribs) 
:People should not be learning to strike from an encyclopedia.Chaos0mega 02:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to Punch

message: Greetings all. Here is a further breakdown of what I edited and why:
* I reworded the opening text which appeared vague and needed some differentiation from "strike." I pulled out a definition reference for it. 
* There was a part about arthritis which was unverified and I replaced it.
* The part about wrestling was unnecessary because it has no punches, therefore no reason to have it here.
* In several places there are phrases alluding to the fact there are many different kinds of punches; by reason of redundancy I removed those phrases as punching by nature is varied.
* Moved the one inch punch reference to the Wing Chun section
* Removed the part about the elbow not being locked out - This is a technical matter, too instructional.
* Removed the numbering system in the Boxing punches section. This seemed more on how to punch rather than what a punch is.
In many of the descriptions of the punches it seemed more like agreed urban definition/instruction rather than research. There is a lot of excellent information there, however while much of it may be true, over half the types of punches listed were unsourced and made the article look like a guide on how to punch. There was some terminology that disturbed me in places where the description of punches went beyond being descriptive and into the land of instruction. I feel the article should not instruct or serve as a standard of judgement where people can come in and see if they're doing a punch "correctly", as in this case I feel "correctness" is subjective and a maneuver should be described in its most basic terms if possible.
What this article needs next:
* good, descriptive and properly referred punches and descriptions
* help the unsourced, undocumented punches with clarification
* Ninjutsu section clarification - knowledgable persons need to put in the work here.
* Karate section sources - see above
* External link cleanup
* Fraser Drew - no article exists for this person who is mentioned here
Thanks for your time, I think this article can be much improved still.
Deadlystrike6 02:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 29 Revision 

message: "Contrary to some opinions, it is joint overuse,[11] in addition to other factors such as improper technique and protection, not punching as an activity in itself, that is responsible for the development of osteoarthritis."
Can someone rephrase that. It confuses me and does not seem to be proper english.71.59.104.213 (talk) 06:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. It should be split into two sentences. --71.225.75.183 (talk) 02:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long-term effects of punching on the practitioner's body 

message: What's with all the 'citation needed' tags in the section that summarizes the various sorts of punches?  If nobody objects, I'm going to remove the tags soon.Jayess (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed ? 

message: The "modern" punch is indeed modern, it first appeared with English boxing in the 19th century, I believe. This is not in away verified. I ask for someone to update with this important information. In the middle ages the hand was used as a mace, swinged sort of as a hook and hit with the side of the closed hand (inside up) or the back of the forearm, or a strike similar to a palm strike, targeting the face.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.130.32 (talk) 09:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Every single person in the Middle Ages went through their ENTIRE lives without ever once considering an obvious movement we moderns make naturally. Of course, you can prove this. Leushenko (talk) 00:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They didn't need to throw punches back then, they were all bombing it around in helicopter gunships ;) Ryan4314  (talk) 01:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Punch is needed 

message: Yes, if this was a strike exclusively by a Japanese style or something, then yeah, I see why it should be there, but otherwise I think its unnecessary and kinda stupid. Either put how to say/write "punch" in every language, or remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.93.115 (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is the Japanese name for punch there?

message: ...Just a recommendation...It would be nice (in my view) to have some diagrams of how the various punches are actioned in practice.
....For the benefit of those of us who know nothing about punching (...apart from maybe being on the "wrong end" of one from time to time....).
Thank you.
82.5.68.95 (talk) 01:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stick Figures...? 

message: Seriously? I didn't realize the Japanese invented punching. Other languages should be added to that list if it is to be kept. Otherwise this is just gratuitous Weeaboo bull. -- 66.92.0.62 (talk) 09:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese name? 

message: The "Name 1/Name 2" distinction is unnecessary. Only one listed punch is accompanied by a second name, and it would be better to simply combine the two columns into one "Name" column. Both names can occupy one cell. 23.119.240.195 (talk) 01:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punch table 

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message: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/10/21/scientists-slap-stuff-with-cadaver-hands-to-study-the-evolution-of-human-fist-fights/
:Discuss. Kortoso (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did we evolve to punch? 

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Opie301 (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update Out of Date Link (#2) in References 

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# The proposed replacement link was not added, per WP:PROMO.
# The article already contains an 11 year-old Needs additional citations for verification maintenance template which seeks to address this issue — which, at this time a full decade later, appears to be chronic in nature.
Regards,  Spintendo  05:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 27-FEB-2019