Talk:Bleach/Archive 1

message: Could someone possibly add a subsection for use of bleach in laundry? it seems like there would rpobably be a fair amount to say, considering differences in pretreatment and wash cycles. And to be honest, I actually came to this page hoping for some advice on how to wash a stained white fabric...what can I say, I'm selfish, now teach me :-p 134.173.121.223 19:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laundry 

message: I was hoping to find something on bleach through the ages (don't laugh!) Dveej 06:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea, so I've started a section on the history of bleach. I'm really tired right now, and I don't really know much about the topic... I hope someone else can fill it in more! ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  history of bleach? 

message: I have added some basics on how bleaches (including sunlight) work... anyone with greater knowledge in this area is invited to improve this section! Gwimpey 07:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 11:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Know some bleach chemistry? 

message: Shouldn't Bleach redirect to Bleach (manga)? It gets far more hits (on say Google) to the anime rather than this. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 04:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally speaking, no.  Bleach is a vital part of modern life.  Bleach (manga) is a TV show, fundamentally transient; it may well currently be more popular, but it certainly is incomparably less important.  Toby Douglass 22:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a point of view. This page should be a disamb, at the least. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 03:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleach disamb? 

message: As far as I'm aware, Acetone Peroxide is a sensitive HIGH EXPLOSIVE, not a bleaching agent. I suggest that references to Acetone Peroxide should be removed from this article. Baralheia 08:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explosives? 

message: I know this is hardly the place for a discusison on chemistry, but recently when I was using a bleach soaked paper towel to clear some mold from a painted bathroom ceiling, I noticed the paper towel start to heat up slightly in my hand.  Obviously some kind of exothermic reaction was going on, but as a Computer Scientist, Chemistry is not my area of expertise.  The ceiling had not been cleaned with any other chemicals beforehand, and this happened a few times whenever I got a new paper towel.  Anyone know what was going on?  12.149.167.6 18:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleach Reactions 

message: The second section, "types of bleach" is in need of fixing.  I don't know if its caused by vandalism, or general editing mistake, but it hass little [['s in it, and the second ¶ ends abruptly.  I don't have the time to fix it right now, but maybe somebody else can have a look?
Ghostwo 22:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree as well. Prior versions of the "Types of Bleach" had a lot more information in them than the  current one.  The older versions needed a little cleaning but they still had good information in them. --Bdevel 15:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs fixed

message: could someone please put in some information about color safe bleach or make an article about it, thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crd721 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  color safe bleach 

message: Will it catch on fire?
Just don't try it, 声援 -- The Hybrid 06:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It is a strong oxidizer though. --Belg4mit 22:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is bleach combustible  

message: is very difficult to understand. Could someone translate it into normal English, or expand it to provide some more information to us average Joes please? 声援 -- The Hybrid 06:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is actually fairly "normal english" for a discussion of environmental chemical hazards. You might prefer something like this. --Belg4mit 22:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The hazards section 

message: Could somebody restore the "How bleaches work" section from here? It was a casualty of
217.77.143.218's "Removed vandalism" on 2007-03-27T10:56:15.--Belg4mit 22:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mechanism 

message: I'm finding conflicting percentages for household bleach concentration. The clorox MSDS's show a concentration range for ultra clorox that overlaps the concentration of regular clorox and the scented varieties have less. Then the bleach I buy in Korea has 4% on the bottle but I'm not sure if it's by weight or what. --Gbleem 07:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  concentration 

message: chlorine dioxide or peroxides? Which is the paper industry using? --Gbleem 04:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that needs to be flagged. Joseph N Hall 10:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  chlorine dioxide or peroxides 

message: I can't really see where the contradiction tags are refering to in the 'Other Bleaches' section. After a bit of reading I'd guess it's the line: 'This can result in formation of dioxins, and the paper industry has begun to use peroxides instead.' coming after 'Chlorine dioxide is used for the bleaching of wood pulp, fats and oils, cellulose, flour, textiles, beeswax, and in a number of other industries' and as this first statement doesn't seem to have references and messes up an otherwise clear section I'm removing it, and the contradiction tag. If anyone agrees with the statement perhaps they can rewrite it into the section a bit more concisely. Mickthefish 18:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction? 

message: There is no mention of the early methods of bleaching cloth as in bleachcrofts or crofting.  --jmb 00:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crofting

message: Looks like the first sentence of the article needs to be changed.  Spammer edited it.
Kanscrx 20:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: The chemistry section and the mechanism section are redundant.  The current chemistry section does not describe the mechanism of bleaching, but only describes the reaction of chlorine and water.  This has little to do with the chemistry of bleaching.  HokieJC (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemistry 

message: This is the first I've heard of people drinking bleach to increase sexual prowess. I've heard about people doing it to beat drug tests however. I took that part out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.252.111 (talk) 05:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an employee of Clorox, I can guarantee that not one of these recommended uses will be in one of our commercials any time soon... GVB012009 (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  drinking bleach? 

message: Chowfonsin (a user), has been making racist remarks. Has he been taken "care" of? Yojimbo501 (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Without entering into the nomenclature of products (;-)) I would be happy to supply a graphic of the bottle for Clorox(R) Liquid Bleach.  I work for the company, and while I am sure that we try to eschew commercialization of these pages, it does (1) hold a commanding market share of the U.S. market, at least, and (2) have instant name recognition in the bleach category.  I will leave it to the community to decide the appropriateness!   GVB012009 (talk) 21:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: racist

message: So, someone seems to have left a fat tag on the intro, and I don't have an account, so I can't seem to find a way to edit that.  Anyone care to do the honors?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.105.222 (talk) 00:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you meaning in the same product?  That would be very tough without some sort of segregation (e.g., multiple chambers), given the immediate reaction between these two chemicals.GVB012009 (talk) 21:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh... 

message: Greetings, all.  I am new on Wikipedia editing (though have used it a TON as a resource).  As an employee of The Clorox Company, and researcher in the bleach area for literally decades (since 1980), I have seen an opportunity to supplement and clarify some information on this page.  I would very much welcome any feedback and questions for clarification! GVB012009 (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Made some changes to the article, adding primarily information in the safety section.  If anyone has any questions and/or comments, I'd love to hear them!  GVB012009 (talk) 18:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introducing myself as potential editor 

message: A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion 
or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please 
visit the discussion at 
Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

message: Added a section on antimicrobial efficacy. I would like to add to this section a chart showing all of the bacteria, fungi and viruses that bleach has been shown effective in eliminating. I welcome feedback on this addition. GVB012009 (talk) 06:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section:  Antimicrobial Efficacy 

message: Seems the link is not appearing. Tried to fix it, but couldn't see the problem. Can someone look into this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it.  The colons and slashes had been escaped.    Randall Bart    Talk   22:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's a problem with ref #3 

message: There is also a Wikipedia article about sodium hypochlorite.
I would suggest merging these two articles, or at least strictly disambiguating
them (for example, discussing only chemistry in the article about
sodium hypochlorite and only household use in the article
about bleach). Thomas.Hedden (talk) 20:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1! 194.207.212.189 (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be merged with [[Sodium hypochlorite|sodium hypochlorite]]? 

message: Per someone else's comment above, I would like to replace the White King image with a Clorox Liquid Bleach image, as it would better illustrate the article for most people (for example, see ).  As always, I welcome feedback. GVB012009 (talk) 08:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All -- per my earlier suggestion, I replaced the store-branded bleach graphic with one of Clorox Liquid Bleach.  Please let me know if there is an objection.  GVB012009 (talk) 23:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleach graphic? 

message: All, I'd like to post a perspective on both the Bleach and Sodium Hypochlorite discussion pages pertaining to the Odabasi references (8 and 9).  I have reviewed the information and found the results interesting, but Obadasi, et al. did dimensionalize the potential risk to consumers or to workers (of which it appears to be vanishingly small):  
:1.	The highest level that Odabasi cites for concentration of carbon tetrachloride (seemingly his biggest alarm) is 459 micrograms per cubic meter -- that translates to 0.073 ppm (part per million), or 73 ppb (part per billion).  The OSHA-allowable time-weighted average concentration is 10 ppm -- almost 140 times higher -- and ***over an eight-hour period***.   
:2.	The OSHA highest allowable peak concentration (5 minute exposure for five minutes in a 4-hour period) is 200 ppm, twice as high as Odabassi's highest peak level (from the headspace of a bottle of a sample of bleach plus detergent). 
I do think that we owe it the readers, if we wish to include the Obadasi information, to put it in perspective.  I would welcome feedback from the group before making such an edit.  GVB012009 (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obadasi Study Perspective 

message: Nowhere in the article it is mentioned that most bleaches contain small amounts of Potassium chlorate. Often this extracted compound is used to make explosives. In the Anarchists Cookbook, there was even a recipe for making plastic explosives (though the latter should not be mentioned in the article). Still a mere stating that it contains the compound and that it is used for making explosives should be mentioned. Perhaps it can persuade the pharmaceutical companies of leaving it out or make more environmentally sound alternatives
:All, the amount of chlorate that is present in bleach is not only ***quite*** small, it is really swamped out by chloride (present in molar levels equal to hypochlorite).  Isolation would be virtually impossible; if you had the wherewithal to do so (through chromatography or otherwise), you would have more than ample smarts to generate it through oxidation of chloride.  I think that this is one of those seeds best left unplanted: if we reference "chlorate" in Wikipedia (which seems innocuous enough), and that page is edited to contain this usage, then so be it.  But here seems inappropriate.  My two cents....  --GVB012009 (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. There's small amounts of many things in most other things. We don't live (and never have lived) in a pure world. The joys of entropy. Freestyle-69 (talk) 09:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Occurrence of Potassium chlorate

message: The article tells me that sodium hypochlorite degrades to sodium chloride and decomposes to salt.  I hope someone with more chemical knowledge than I can make this more meaningful.    Randall Bart    Talk   22:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sodium chloride and salt 

message: MSNBC sez, The page you are seeking has expired and is no longer available at msnbc.com. Michaeld42 (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref 13 no longer available 

message: there are many false claims claims about bleach that need to be removed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.254.35 (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All -- I tried to provide perspective that I have understood, though I do not currently have a source at hand.  The implication is that fish sense the hypochlorite, and will try to swim away from it.  In a large body of water, they can escape the hazard, but if inappropiately dumped into a koi pond or aquarium, it is toxic, per the reference cited in the section (newly added).  I also included the paragraph above to provide a conclusion from the European Commission that there is no significant environmental risk under normal use conditions.GVB012009 (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of thing needs a source.  Unless you actually performed this experiment in person, how do you know about it? (Daniel Tsadok)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.207.40 (talk) 05:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Conducting an experiment in person would be an instance of original research and not appropriate anyway.  There are lots of things you can know with a high degree of certainty without conducting an actual experiment yourself— you just can't include them in a Wikipedia article without citing a published source is all.  KDS4444Talk 14:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cleanup 

message: The site's recommendation of 1 part bleach to 9 parts water is ridiculously high. Toxic for food surfaces. That is a 1:9 ratio of bleach to water or 14.22 ounces of bleach to 1 gallon(128 ounces) of water. Someone needs to update the site.
The correct federal regulation for diluting bleach to disinfect food contact surfaces is 1:256 
(.5 ounce of bleach per gallon of water)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.32.102 (talk) 16:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dilution ratio incorrect for disinfecting food contact surfaces 

message: why does the milton sterilization method point to bleach? there are no details about this method in this article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.84.164 (talk) 12:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  why does the milton sterilization method point to bleach? there are no details about this method in this article 

message: msnbc.com says the text for ref 19 ("Mystery solved: How bleach kills germs") is no longer available.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.43.32.193 (talk) 04:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link for ref 19? 

message: No mention yet of medical uses.
* Dilute bleach has been used successfully to clear infections in body cavities in Russia.
* Bleach is an effective topical microbial where more popular options fail
* Bleach kills yeasts & viri as well as bacteria
82.31.207.100 (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical use