Talk:Porsche 911/Archive 1

message: This section is almost entirely hearsay, and lacks any citation. 
Furthermore, some of it is downright silly…
For example “There is also the possibility it might have dual rear-mounted radiators (like Lamborghinis and Ferrari Testarossa) for better weight distribution and to make more efficient use of the rear-mounted longitudinally-aligned flat-6 configuration” 
Why would a car with a rear mounted engine want its radiators anywhere but in the front, with them there already the 911 still has a weight distribution of 40:60 Front to Rear. 
This section needs to be identified as complete rumor, or deleted entirely, frankly I’m in favor of the latter.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.179.113.34 (talk) 15:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The whole section should be deleted.HondasareGOOD (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 998

message: Fuzzyworcester, I see that you have reintroduced errors that I had corrected. The terminology 'MkI' and 'MkII' is wrong, and the 964 Turbo was never offered in four-wheel-drive forms. Can you explain why you have done this? Thanks. Philsy 16:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors reintroduced

message: This article needs a lot of work. Much of the info is sketchy and incomplete. I've corrected some glaring inaccuracies, but haven't had time to do as much as is required. For instance, I've taken out references to 'MkI' and 'MkII' 911s in regard to air-cooled and water-cooled cars - such terminology is never used in this way. 
Note tht the 997 Turbo and GT3 are now launched and need to be included. I'll try to make time to do this.
done ! Sundeep pn 01:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs work

message: I think there needs to be a "standard" infobox for the Porsche car model pages.  Please see the work I have done so far:  Porsche Carrera GT, Porsche Cayenne, Porsche Cayman, Porsche Boxster, Porsche 997, Porsche 996, Porsche 964, Porsche 930, Porsche 928, Porsche 968, Porsche 944, Porsche 924, Porsche 912, Porsche 959, Porsche 914.  They emulate the very uniform infoboxes in the Ferrari pages, e.g. Ferrari Enzo, Ferrari F50, Ferrari F40.  Now look at Porsche 993.  There seems to be some resistence against unifying Porsche 993 infobox with the others. Please see Talk:Porsche_993 for some more nitpicks. K3rb 01:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard infobox

message: I see Porsche 911 GT1 currently redirects to this page. This needs to be changed as the GT1 was a 911 in name only, and is a completely different model.
:I've revitalized the Porsche 911 GT1 page. K3rb 14:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: GT1

message: I have removed the following content because I don't think it is relevant to the 911:
:"By the late 1970s, Porsche's entry level model, the 914, was dead, and an attempt to revive it's predecessor, the 912 had been a failure. Porsche felt they needed an entry level model, but lacked the neccesary capitol to develop one. Almost simultaneously, Audi, who had sub-contracted Porsche to develop a range topping sports coupe for them, dropped the Porsche designed model in favor of the fabled Quattro coupe. What had been the perfect top-of-the-line coupe for Audi proved to be the perfect entry level coupe for Porsche, and the 924 was born. Although Porsche choose to utilize the Audi sourced four cylinder the car had been designed for, it was truly a Porsche in most respects, and had the handling prowess to back up the Porsche badge and pricing. The 924 proved succesful for Porsche, and spawned a turbocharged upper-range varaint as well as a racing variant (the 924 Carrera GT) and was used as the basis for it's replacment, the 944."
However, I think it is good writing and could be incorportated into another article. SamH 12:38, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Your paragraph belongs on the main Porsche page, as being about the company rather than a specific model. Feel free to integrate it into my words on the same subject. Hotlorp 01:58, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-relevant content

message: I've updated the type 997 model data to be current as of December 2005
There must be a reference to the brand-new 997 911 GT3 RS. If no one takes care of this, I will.--67.162.213.207 15:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type 997 Updates 

message: Selling the Porsche 911 in the United States after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 is a controversial idea because the '911' name seems to celebrate the tragedy.
There is a debate going on regarding the Toyota Land Cruiser and other Toyota SUVs and trucks (built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia as well) because some people see them as 'Al-Qaedamobiles' ( Those vehicles are used by the AL-Qaeda illegal terrorist army in the same way that the Jeep was used to fight the Nazis in World War 2 ).  There is some speculation that these vehicles might be vandalised resulting in an increase in insurance rates for these vehicles.
THe Porsche 911 is not known to be part of the Al-Qaeda fleet but it's name '911' might be enough for the Porsche 911 to suffer what ever fate the Toyota SUVs and trucks (the ones that are built in Japan and possibly other parts of Asia that are used in the AL-Qaeda fleet) might suffer.
If you want to read more about the Toyota debate that might also affect the Porsche 911, then you can link to the 'Toyota Land Cruiser' discussion page here at:
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Toyota_Land_Cruiser ]
and then look for this post:
'about a proposed edit to this article regarding Toyota Land Cruiser as well as other Toyota SUV's and trucks'
:Again, your proposed edit is based on original research and DOES NOT belong on Wikipedia. --ApolloBoy 04:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to know that the Porsche 911 has been on sale for more than 40 years. By your logic, the emergency hotline 911 should also be changed. I sincerely hope that you do not intend to carry out vandalism against such vehicles mentioned in your statements (which are personal opinion and do not belong on the Wikipedia).--Folksong 16:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porsche 911 an insult to 9/11 victims in the United States 

message: Covin 911 Turbo replica kit-car is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Covin 911 Turbo replica kit-car. I'm suggesting that the contents of that page are merged into here. Does anyone want to comment over at the AfD? Mike Peel 20:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Covin 911 Turbo replica kit-car]] AfD 

message: There is a section of 911 Rally hsitory but not a section on the 911's history at Le Mans, Daytona and Sebring.  This seems a bit odd since the Rally history of the 911 is relatively minor compared to its endurance road-racing history.  Anyone have some good sources on the class winners for these races going back to 1964?  Targa86 02:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why No Le Mans/Sebring/Daytona section 

message: happy to do this, as the Turbo has over 30 years of history and even as a current GT3 owner, I know the Turbo has a marketing and icon history... as everyone has heard of the 911 Turbo. I have a Porsche article on 30 years of the 911 Turbo, with an update on the new 997Sundeep pn 01:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A 911 Turbo section should be introduced 

message: A global (at the very beginning of the article) infobox has been added to the article. Being global, all the data in the box should apply to all models of the 911. Some data, such as engine sizes, do not apply to all models and therefore, IMHO, should not be included in the global box. --Wiley 05:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a global infobox 

message: The 996 was launched in 1997 for the 1998 model year, so why is it being changed to 1999? Here is part of a press release from Porsche itself:
The 996 – the most dramatic rejuvenation process in the history of the 911
Entering its 34th year, the Porsche 911 experienced its most dramatic rejuvenation process so far: The 1998 version of the 911 Carrera – the 996 presented in autumn 1997 – went far beyond all existing dimensions. Indeed, this also applied to the car's exterior and interior dimensions far larger than before. And it applied in particular to the car's technical features, the new model being the first 911 to feature a liquid-cooled six-cylinder. Engine capacity was 3.4 litres, maximum output 300 bhp at 6,800 rpm. And like every Porsche, the 996 model series features brakes of exactly the right size and a chassis and suspension offering supreme safety reserves.
Focusing on the drivetrain, the customer was able to choose either a six-speed manual gearbox or five-speed Tiptronic S automatic also offering a manual gearshift function via paddles on the steering wheel. Then, entering the 2002 model year, the 996 was upgraded by a 3.6-litre power unit developing maximum output of 320 bhp, the looks of the car also being slightly modified.
The 911 GT3 entered the family in 1999, the most conspicuous features of this new model versus the 911 Carrera being the new front end, discreet side-sills, the rear wing fitted in position, red brake callipers, as well as new 18-inch light-alloy wheels.
The 3.6-litre 360 bhp six-cylinder power unit featured in the 911 GT3 was not carried over exclusively from the 911 Carrera, but rather also came in a direct line from the Le Mans-winning 911 GT1. Unlike the Carrera power unit, this engine features separate cylinder and crankcase housings as well as cylinder heads made of a high temperature-resistant light alloy. The titanium connecting rods were also carried over from the racing engine, maximum output of the GT3 being raised in spring 2003 to 381 bhp. The current version of the 911 Turbo had – and still has – the same basic engine, with maximum output in this case of 420 bhp. But the output and performance of the 911 can always be enhanced to an even higher standard, both then and today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philsy (talk • contribs) 09:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  996 dates

message: - 911 Turbo (Type 930) (1974–1989) – improved readability.  The bulk of info is in the 930 page so this should just be summary facts & my edits further that.  
- 911 SC / L, M, A, B, C and D series (1978–1983) – comprehensive overall including addition of info on special models & sales figures where appropriate.  Facts were attributed to their sources.  Relavent quote from Schutz added & attributed.
- 911 3.2 Carrera / E, F, G, H, I, J and K series (1984–1989) – comprehensive overhaul.  Info on special models, pricing & sales figures added & attributions detailed where applicable.
- References were augmented with pertinent texts.
imcarthur (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates: 911 Turbo, 911 SC, 911 3.2 Carrera, References 

message: After a recent change ("1995-1998" for 993), I found that the given years in the headings were a mix of calendar years and model years; I have since changed all years in the headings to calendar years. I think it should be self-evident that calendar years are preferable as a rule to artificial dates like model years, especially when introductory dates differed in different markets; or else you end up with a 993 date of "1995", which is a violation of facts in more than one way, since the 993 was originally introduced and entered production in autumn 1993. --328cia (talk) 18:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Years in headings

message: Would it be unecessary to have a separate article for the original 911? All the other models have them, and I think it would help organize things better if all the information on the orignal 911 was in one distinct article. Monkey343 (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Porsche refer to all of the series - 911, 964, 993, 996 & now 997 as 911s.  Those are internal number designations that are widely used but a modern first-time buyer is still buying a 911.  It should stay as one article imho.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imcarthur (talk • contribs) 11:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've moved this article to Porsche 911 series as it covers the whole series. Porsche 911 is a simple disamb. The original 911 is at Porsche 911 classic. -- Matthead  Discuß   13:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article needs to be weeded out, as to many details are listed. In contrast, the significant racing results are still underrepresented. -- Matthead  Discuß   17:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aside from one being a disambiguation page and the other being a page with "Main article" links in each section, how are "Porsche 911" and "Porsche 911 series" any different?  I suggest moving Porsche 911 series to Porsche 911, and get rid of the disambiguation page, as this series page should have all those links as well.  I'd also suggest renaming "Porsche 911 classic" to "Porsche 911 (1964-1989)" or "Porsche 911 (first generation)" or such. --Vossanova o< 19:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I support this merge. swaq 20:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate original 911 article