Talk:Montréal–Mirabel International Airport

message: "...with a planned area of 39,660 hectares (396.6 km)..." followed further down by:-
"In 1989, 81,000 of the 98,000 acres (400 km2) were deeded back to their owners...."
First we have hectares and acres - both pretty meaningless units, but shouldn't the article stick to a consistent unit of measurement ?
Secondly, if the TOTAL PLANNED AREA was only 396.6sqkm, how could 400sqkm be deeded back in 1989 ????
Either the first figure is incorrect, or the second figure is incorrect - as obviously an airport cannot be MINUS 3.4sqkm in size.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 12:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing mix of imperial and metric units of area in the intro

message: Someone may wish to check the history of Mirabel.  I am fairly certain that at the time the airport system was planned to be organized around gateways to which all international flights would go.  Canada's two gateways were to be Vancouver and Montreal.  Because supersonic flights were expected to be the future of international travel, they built Mirabel outside the city, avoiding noise disruptions to residents and allowing it to operate 24 hours a day. Dorval was supposed to remain a domestic airport. Unfortunately that system was never adopted.  A high-speed rail link between the two was never built, making connections inconvenient.  Because of this, Mirabel was never really adopted for international flights, the proximity to Montreal and convenience of Dorval being favoured.  As it grew into less of an important airport, Pearson becoming the main hub in Eastern Canada, Mirabel was no longer really necessary.
*Actually, AFAIK, the airport was built a Mirabel due to a dispute between the Quebec Premier and Trudeau. Trudeau wanted it closer, in St. Eustache, but that was too close to the Ontario border for the Premier. Thus the horrible compromise position. Burgundavia 06:47, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)
*The political decision to name Dorval Airport for former Liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau is of note as Trudeau was one of the main proponents of the construction of Mirabel, originally expecting it to accommodate 26 million travellers a year.--66.102.74.146 15:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to work in Dorval (Fenelon boulevard) and the noise pollution was moderate. However, it is MUCH worse in Saint-Laurent, a densely populated area which lies right under the main approach airway. My brother-in-law used to live there; we could se the fine details under the Boeings as they was passing over us (by dozens) at dinner time. Hugo Dufort 08:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If the airport was planned to have so many more passengers, four additional runways, five more terminals, high speed rail access, etc., and these things never came about due to the airports failure to develop, I think it's fair to call it a "white elephant" which is, as our own article states "a thing which is more trouble than it is worth".Brian Schlosser42 04:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: With the major vandalism occuring the the featured articles of the day recently, I am terribly surprised that they have not been protected for the day.  Do people really want to see images of penises in the middle of supposed featured articles?  It ruins what we are trying to accomplish here.  --AlexWCovington (talk) 04:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: "Closing down Dorval would have justified Mirabel's investment and usage, much like how the Hong Kong government mandated the closure of Kai Tak to make way for the larger Chek Lap Kok."
As a native Hong Konger I can tell you this is a bad comparison. The reason for the new airport is very clear - Kai Tak was completely, utterly, totally saturated for the last decade or two of its operation and was constantly running above designed capacity with no possibility of expansion. However there is no point keeping both airports for a number of reasons. First of all Kai Tek was situated in the dead centre of a densely populated area with one of the trickiest approach paths in the world which crews needed special endorsement to fly. I'm actually quite surprised that no major accidents happened but it was only a matter of time. Also because of Kai Tek the whole area around it had a development height limit - remembering that this is the middle of the Hong Kong harbour we are talking about, or the "greater CBD" area for lack of a better term. That place is worth a fortune if redeveloped without the height restriction. So, Kai Tek wasn't closed to force everybody to use the new airport, it simply ran out of shelf life. CW 08:52, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to airports in Hong Kong 

message: Because of the reasons mentioned above, I have placed this POV problem on the top of the page.  It is a shame having a featured article have a Biased point of view.  Please correct quickly, so it would have a NPOV.
Weirdperson11 23:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased POV 

message: I removed the section showing that Terminal was filmed at Montreal Airport it was actually filmed at Palmdale Airport (in the old Rockwell hangars) near Los Angeles California. --Alohawolf 20:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Terminal (movie)

message: The Highway 50 has been greatly expanded in the recent years; it has been completed from Lachute to Highway 15 (through Mirabel). The map should be updated. Hugo Dufort 08:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: In December 2006, in a move he called "correcting a historical injustice", Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced the return of 4450 hectares of farmland expropriated to build Mirabel Airport. About 125 farmers, who rent their land from the federal government, were permitted to buy it back.
Does this mean Mirabel Airport will close permanently and get demolished and removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim856796 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No — like the article says, Mirabel is only using 19% of its area. Jpatokal (talk) 07:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirabel Airport may close permanently 

message: I'm wondering if a brief mention of the Chateau Aeroport-Mirabel hotel is warranted in the article. If memory serves correctly, it was a fairly large hotel (5 story, 360 room) themed-resort that sat directly beside the airport. I know it was originally owned by CP Hotels in the 70's, then changed ownership at some point, and finally closed on August 26, 2002--shortly before the airport was closed to regular passenger traffic. The building was still standing and intact as of mid 2006 from what I can find through online research...even still furnished and setup, but locked and up not been used for the past +5 years. I'd almost go as far as saying abandoned.
It's a piece of the airport and its history, isn't it?-Apple2gs (talk) 11:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chateau Aeroport-Mirabel hotel

message: I recently used Google Maps to look at Mirabel, and to my surprise, I saw that Mirabel's 11/29 runway was missing the X's which are usually used to denote a shut down runway (look at this example from Ottawa's main airport ).
I somehow recall that runway having X's before, but appear to have since been removed. Can someone investigate this? The Legacy (talk) 19:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  11/29 Reopened? 

message: There appears to be some complicated wikimarkup, else I would change it myself, but what does nautical mileage have to do with anything? 
"Mirabel is an airport located in Mirabel, Quebec, 21 NM (39 km; 24 mi) northwest[2] of Montreal." 
74.12.222.15 (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nautical miles are used because it's an international standard, like feet being used for elevations. See London Heatrow or Paris for example. Also it's easy to source and helps to cut down arguments about how far the airport is from the associated community. The downside is that it may not be clear where in the community they are measuring from. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 19:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nautical miles? 

message: I have a much better aerial photograph of Mirabel than the one on the page. How do I modify the proper field to use mine?
quist (talk) 23:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New better photo? 

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message: You have made an edit claiming that the demise of the airport here is because of the language laws. Whether it's true or not is secondary to whether it is properly sourced. Your edit is actually completely unsourced and appears to be WP:OR as the blog entry you have used as a source doesn't even say what you're saying in your edit, (that the language laws had this effect on the airport). Besides, blog entries like this are not considered WP:RS. You have replied in the edit summary suggesting that this is all okay because there was other information being replaced that was also unsourced. This is irrelevant and that information should be dealt with separately anyways. Air.light (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the language laws, I've already reorganized the other information to make it flow better. All three reasons for the demise the airport, while not fully unsourced, provide a good discussion point for expansion and research. The alternative is just to blank most of the article. JoshDonaldson20 (talk) 18:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you realize that we simply cannot have original research in the article? Reorganizing the other information is fine but drawing our own conclusions and adding that to the article as if it were fact is against Wikipedia policy. Please remove the part of your edit that states: "The provincial language laws, Bill 22 which made French the official language of the province and Bill 101 which largely banned the usage of non-French languages, caused an exodus of residents and businesses while also reducing the attractiveness of Montreal for immigrants." Air.light (talk) 18:44, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That portion was actually taken from the Charter of the French Language article, plus I added sources. The language laws are worth mentioning in this article as the laws were implemented around the time that Mirabel opened. I known that a previous version of Mirabel Airport mentioned Montreal's decline relative to Toronto, so its a likely reason why air traffic to Montreal failed to reach projections. JoshDonaldson20 (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I will comment that stating "The alternative is just to blank most of the article" is very seldom helpful.  It may be appropriate with regard to an unsourced biography of a living person, but with regard to an article about an airport, it appears to be uncooperative.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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