Talk:Newport (town), Vermont

message: How do we justify the airport statement here when it is in Coventry? I've tried to discourage editors from inserting stuff in town articles that were really in adjacent towns---unless we want to say that it is in "greater Newport" or something. Student7 (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article for the airport refers to a source that speaks of it as being in Newport. I guess there's a source for Coventry, so I can't see why saying the airport is in Newport is now acceptable. Nyttend (talk) 21:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the airport is named Newport Airport because it is supposed to serve the city of Newport and its suburbs. But if you look at a map, the airport is completely located within the town limits of Coventry. --Polaron | Talk 21:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (For the record, I've copied Nyttend's contribution into Coventry. Taking full credit for his research, of course. :) Student7 (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the thing is that I didn't have a map. Nyttend (talk) 04:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Airport

message: The property I own in Newport Center (according to the deed) includes the dwelling once owned and occupied by Amos Sawyer, one of the founders of Newport. As a result, I have done a great deal of research over decades.
Tracing records from the offices in Newport Center hits a dead end in the early 1900's due to the fire.
Tracing from the beginning in Newport (city) also hits a dead end in the early 1900's due to missing records.
Tracing from both ends puts the picture together, although a 1900's owner is missing.
Amos Sawyer is shown as having lived in a place called Duncansboro, Newport, and Newport Center. Did he live in 3 places? No! The maps confirm he lived in the same physical location. The census enumerated him as being in Newport since all villages are grouped together within the town for the purpose of the US census. He lived in Newport Center. At that time in history, Newport included another village which is now the city. Somewhat confusing when you are doing research.
Newport Center, was the first village in the early 1800's. By 1863, the town of Newport had two local governments (villages), each with it's own railroad station. Over time, one of those villages became the city, the other became the town. Both were originally part of Newport. ( Duncansboro based on the original charter).
When Newport Center became a town itself due to the split, it was still Newport Center, and the government was still the Newport Center government. At this point, it didn't matter whether you called it Newport Town or Newport Center. They were one and the same governing body, and physical place. The residents still lived in Newport Center, and the town selectman were the village selectmen. They were one and the same.
There was no village by the name of South Newport, but there was an area called South Newport, and it was in what is now Newport (town) or Newport Center (officially - in terms of legal address). This can be determined from maps which clearly show this area as south of route 100. It was not, and is not a village. It is very rural and remote in nature, and contains many hunting camps.
To preserve that legacy, the town was incorporated as Newport Center. The General Assembly later unincorporated the town, but nothing changed in terms of the geographic area, the village or local government. Newport Center was still Newport Center. It is contained within the town, and is the town.
It is unusual to have a village and town be the same. Usually a village is a smaller region within a town, which in this case it was until the split. In this rather unusual case, the village and the town are the same geographic area. The town has no other villages, and the village was never dissolved. It has no boundaries within the town. To this day Newport Center is still contained within Newport Town. The two are one and the same, and it's heritage is Newport Center. The stewards of Newport Center are proud of it's heritage, and have preserved it up to this time. It is well established and has it's own postal zip code of 05857 which covers the entire geographic area. There is no zip code for the town itself because the town has no area outside of the village. The local government is both town and village government. The people in the town are residents of Newport Center, and therefore the town. The town has a village center, which should not be confused with the name of the village. Some foolishly do.
Throughout time, residents preserved the legacy which is Newport Center - a village and well known place where Newport was first settled and carved out of the wilderness. Locally this geographic area has been, and still is, known as Newport Center, although once Newport Centre, as evidenced by photos of the train station..
The state of Vermont, and the US Census group villages within a town together for various purposes and refers to them collectively as a town. On a local level this creates confusion. The lowest common denominator when you examine the state (which includes towns cities and villages) is in this case, the village. .
Fortunately, Governor Jim Douglas has referred to the town as Newport Center. That ends the confusion. The post office, police, fire, motor vehicles, newspapers, radio, television, real estate agencies, and all others recognize and refer to the geographic area of the town as Newport Center. Residents have Newport Center as their address on their drivers license.
In summary, Newport center is a place that has existed since the beginning. It's was a village, and is a village. The village is located in the Newport Town. The town of Newport and the village are both the same place. For legal purposes, the residents live in Newport Center. For the purpose of the US Census, they live in the town.
What more can be said.
When all is said and done, Newport Center and Newport Town are one and the same place.
How will this be phrased when describing the town is the discussion.
I interviewed a 90 year old Newport Center resident who confirms this information. Also many other younger residents.
The town has always been called Newport Center.
People who live in Newport Center are considered as living in Newport (town), just as a person living in Vermont is considered as living in the USA. It's that simple!
There never has been a village called South Newport,
Sadly, there is a lot of misleading information which is hearsay.
You can discuss this, but you need to fix it so it isn't simply nonsense.
Childish and foolish ms-reporting of information that is not fact but fiction.
The public records can be reviewed by responsible individuals. They can even be transcribed by an ambitious person.
Those who are bent at publicly posting lies and rumors should get off the Internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notableresident101 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is very usual for the town, village and adjacent city to have the same name in Vermont. There is Rutland (city), Vermont, Rutland (town), Vermont which completely surrounds the city of Rutland. When the city of Rutland was created, the town of Rutland did not automatically revert to its remaining village's name of West Rutland! Looks up the remainder of Vermont cities. They mostly have the same history. The reason that Newport town has the same zip code as the rest of the town is because there aren't enough people in either to support a normal post office! Brownington (which is a separate town. I guess you will have to accept my word for this) has the same zip code as Orleans village which is different than Barton village. Orleans and Barton are in the same town. The post office neither knows nor cares. Their delivery is based on business needs. As long as you use the correct zip code, you can say anything for the name. Try mailing something to yourself in "Beverly Hills, Vermont 05857" Amazingly it will show up at your front door proving just how much the post office cares about political divisions. Apparently Jim Douglas is aware of the terrific sensitivities of the people of Newport Center on this score. Politicians will say anything to avoid offending people. Even avoiding the awful truth! Sorry. Encyclopedias don't have that option. Find a printed reference. Better yet, find a printed reference that shows Rutland Town is now West Rutland Town. BTW Barre Town completely surrounds the city of Barre. It is not called "East Barre" or "West Barre" or whatever its remaining villages were named. Fairly typical of Vermont actually. If you don't like it, please contact your legislator. This has nothing to do with fact and everything to do with your political opinion. Student7 (talk) 00:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a small point, but Lake Bridge was of course founded long before Newport Center. It later became Newport city. Why? Because you couldn't walk in Newport Center. It was a dense, inpenetrable forest. The only way to get around in the North Country was by lake and river. This is why Lake Bridge, Coventry, Barton Landing and Barton village were all founded before nearly evcrything else in the Northeast Kingdom. You just couldn't move except near rivers, lakes. (Okay animal trails and Indian trails but you couldn't move wagons yet - not enough room and trails were lousy. Not roads).Student7 (talk) 00:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Theory of "expansion of villages" - to take your theory that villages expand to the limits of the town, where exactly does Glover start and West Glover end? Both are unincorporated villages in Glover which is a town south of you. I've asked you before about Evansville and Brownington and it's many villages before but didn't get an answer. I guess you never heard of them. Student7 (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

text: When Newport Center village and Newport town merged, the name that was listed in the new charter was "Town of Newport". There is no current municipality in Vermont legally known as Newport Center. Because most people in the town lived in the area within the former bounds of Newport Center village, the two names could be used interchangeably without problems. However, while postal addresses for the entire town are indeed located in Newport Center, that does not mean the legal name of the town is Newport Center. As Student7 mentioned above, postal addresses don't always follow municipal lines. I suggest you propose a rename to WP:RM as I do agree that the commonly used name might not be Newport but "Newport Center". However, be warned that many Wiki editors seem to have a strong preference for consistency of names rather than the use of common names. --Polaron | Talk 00:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The title "Newport Center" would be appropriate for an article on the unincorporated village. If we had an article on the town and entitled it "Newport Center", it would be inherently inaccurate, since that's not the town's name. Nyttend (talk) 03:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But you do realize that people who live in this town would normally call it "Newport Center" and not "Newport" or do you dispute that? I'm sure the people who prefer consistency would all come out against it but there is nothing inherently wrong about gauging where the wider community stands on place names -- what people who live there call it, or the legal name of the place. --Polaron | Talk 13:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Polaron, are you local? If not, so far, all we have is this one very persistent guy claiming this. Other locals (see below) seem to accept the legal name. Student7 (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
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