Talk:Red Star Belgrade/Archive 1

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Oppose It is not surprising that Crvena Zvezda should be their name in Serbian; but what we want is what they are called in English. "Red Star Belgrade" gets 150,000 ghits beginning with the club's official page. "Crvena Zvedza" gets no more in English. Septentrionalis 18:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I think the coaching history should be presented like on the Partizan#Coaching_history, since that way it's much shorter and it looks better. In other words, not sorted by the season, but by the coach.
Vitriden 08:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think that rather than just listing them name-by-name there should be link to Red Star Belgrade head coaches or List of Red Star Belgrade head coaches because there's a lot to be said about many of them season-by-season and it would clutter up the main page. 65.94.128.174 22:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coaching history

message: I have put this nickname in the textbox, but with a note that this is mostly used in pejorative manner, although sometimes even the club supporters call themselves " Cigani ". This nickname is created by the supporters of some of the opponent clubs and it probably takes its origins from the Bad Blue Boys, the supporters of Dinamo Zagreb. I think it should stay this way.
Vitriden 22:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The name didn't originate from Dinamo Zagreb's fans at all, but from Partizan fans way back in the 1960s. The fans outside of Belgrade and Serbia barely knew the term exists - it was more for internal Belgrade use and rival club oneupsmanship. As for whether it's insulting or not, yes, I'm sure it's initial intent was meant to be derogatory, but since Red Star fans accepted the name themselves and used it ever since - it can't really be classified as pejorative. Besides it's a lot older than Delije for example.65.94.135.162 23:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to hear some more opinions, since there was some reverting and deleting going on about this issue, so I think it's obvious some consider this to be an insult.Vitriden 12:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to say but I think this is an insult. I have never heard any fans called themselves for "Cigani". Litany 17:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a legit nickname. I've heard Red Star fans refer to themselves by that name many times. There's even a fan song: Mi smo Cigani, najjaci smo najjaci. Zvonko 16:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you think about sometimes used in pejorative manner or something like that? Vitriden 02:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be OK, as far as I'm concerned. Zvonko 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok then, let's do it that way.
Vitriden 09:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Litany above, I have never heard any fans refer to themselve as Cigani and I believe it serves little purpose other than to displease fans. To draw a parallel, do other club sites have disparaging nicknames in wiki? For example, Manchester United are widely referred to as "Scum", "Man Ure" and more recently "Manchester United Bucaneers" however the only nickname entered is "The Red Devils". I see no benefit of having debatable disparaging nicknames, it just opens the door for unecessary conflict IMO. Just my 2 cents.
batobatobato 10:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the nickname "Cigani" an insult?

message: I propose to move page to FK Crvena Zvezda. It is much more appropriate. Why we here (in encyclopaedia!) should use "common English name"? For example, club that is commonly known in English as "Besiktas" has its page on Beşiktaş.. and so on - all clubs have pages in their local language (while it is in (extended) latin alphabet). --Monkbel 21:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quite. Either it should be named according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names), which is "Red Star Belgrade", or use the local name combined with the aforementioned convention, which would be simply "Crvena Zvezda" (unless there are other significant organizations of the same name that would get an article). --Joy [shallot] 07:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: page name

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Descision

message: Yougoslavia was created in 1918.even though the name of the country from 1918.to 1929.was "Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes".UEFA Champions League was created in 1955.even though the name of the competition from 1955.to 1993.was "European Cup".
No, both Internazionale and Nottingham Forest, for example, have the pages with this same trophy named "European Cup", because that's the name of the trophy the time they won it. I can't see a single reason to rename the trophy years after it was won by Red Star.
Vitriden 17:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Vitriden but could you please translate that to English? :) Thanks - Litany 12:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I understand that you are tired but somehow we could resolve this question. Best regards Litany 12:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Please don't make personal attacks on other users. Calling people "idiots" isn't helpful or acceptable behaviour, and it could get you blocked if you persist. -- ChrisO 17:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Star won UEFA Champions League  

message: Please give your feedback on my changes, perhaps not include the Cyrillic version? // laughing man 04:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  translation in infobox 

message: I think the coaching history should be presented like on the Partizan#Coaching_history, since that way it's much shorter and it looks better. In other words, not sorted by the season, but by the coach.
Vitriden 08:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think that rather than just listing them name-by-name there should be link to Red Star Belgrade head coaches or List of Red Star Belgrade head coaches because there's a lot to be said about many of them season-by-season and it would clutter up the main page. 65.94.128.174 22:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coaching history

message: I have put this nickname in the textbox, but with a note that this is mostly used in pejorative manner, although sometimes even the club supporters call themselves " Cigani ". This nickname is created by the supporters of some of the opponent clubs and it probably takes its origins from the Bad Blue Boys, the supporters of Dinamo Zagreb. I think it should stay this way.
Vitriden 22:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The name didn't originate from Dinamo Zagreb's fans at all, but from Partizan fans way back in the 1960s. The fans outside of Belgrade and Serbia barely knew the term exists - it was more for internal Belgrade use and rival club oneupsmanship. As for whether it's insulting or not, yes, I'm sure it's initial intent was meant to be derogatory, but since Red Star fans accepted the name themselves and used it ever since - it can't really be classified as pejorative. Besides it's a lot older than Delije for example.65.94.135.162 23:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to hear some more opinions, since there was some reverting and deleting going on about this issue, so I think it's obvious some consider this to be an insult.Vitriden 12:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to say but I think this is an insult. I have never heard any fans called themselves for "Cigani". Litany 17:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a legit nickname. I've heard Red Star fans refer to themselves by that name many times. There's even a fan song: Mi smo Cigani, najjaci smo najjaci. Zvonko 16:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you think about sometimes used in pejorative manner or something like that? Vitriden 02:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be OK, as far as I'm concerned. Zvonko 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok then, let's do it that way.
Vitriden 09:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Litany above, I have never heard any fans refer to themselve as Cigani and I believe it serves little purpose other than to displease fans. To draw a parallel, do other club sites have disparaging nicknames in wiki? For example, Manchester United are widely referred to as "Scum", "Man Ure" and more recently "Manchester United Bucaneers" however the only nickname entered is "The Red Devils". I see no benefit of having debatable disparaging nicknames, it just opens the door for unecessary conflict IMO. Just my 2 cents.
batobatobato 10:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the nickname "Cigani" an insult?

message: I propose to move page to FK Crvena Zvezda. It is much more appropriate. Why we here (in encyclopaedia!) should use "common English name"? For example, club that is commonly known in English as "Besiktas" has its page on Beşiktaş.. and so on - all clubs have pages in their local language (while it is in (extended) latin alphabet). --Monkbel 21:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quite. Either it should be named according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names), which is "Red Star Belgrade", or use the local name combined with the aforementioned convention, which would be simply "Crvena Zvezda" (unless there are other significant organizations of the same name that would get an article). --Joy [shallot] 07:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: page name

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Descision 1