Talk:Kate Sheppard

message: This article has always had a birth year of 1847, until an anon changed it today to 1848. There seem to be plenty of sources on the web for either date, but the later date seems more authoritative, being in, for example, the 1966 New Zealand encyclopaedia . Have the other sources been influenced by Wikipedia, or is there some genuine doubt about her birth year?-gadfium 23:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've included both birth years, with a footnote explaining that there are sources for both.-gadfium 07:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth year

message: An anon added the following section:
:==How Campaigning for the Vote affected Womens' Lives==
:Many women wanted to the right to vote, but as many men believed that women had the intellectual skills of a young child, they did not agree with women having the right to vote. This became a cause for wives to go against the belief's of their husbands and help campaign to get women the vote. This led to an increase increase in divorces/annulments, and a decrease in marriages. Getting the vote for women meant sacrificing everything, even their families. New Zealand women knew that if they got the vote, they would play the leading role in Womens' Suffrages worldwide, and it made it seem all the more worth it. Women were extremely prevoked and taunted for wanting to get the vote, but they never once resorted to violence. Campaigning for the vote meant going through extraordinary tasks, such as giving up their days by knocking from door to door asking people to sign petitions. Some women also dressed in men's fashions, to show that they were equal to men, and should be given the right to vote. Many women were literate and could do mens' jobs; the WCTU emphasised on this fact to show everyone that women didn't have the mind of a young child, but equal to the mind of a grown man.
I think this material belongs more in Women's suffrage in New Zealand than it does here, but without a reference it is not acceptable in either article. It also needs wikification and a copyedit.-gadfium 00:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced section

message: Kate Sheppard, née Catherine Wilson Malcolm  (born March 10?, 1847, Liverpool, Eng.—died July 13, 1934, Christchurch, N.Z.), English-born activist, who was a leader in the woman suffrage movement in New Zealand. She was instrumental in making New Zealand the first country in the world to grant women the right to vote (1893).
Raised and educated in Scotland, she moved to New Zealand in the late 1860s, and in 1871 she married Walter Allen Sheppard, a storekeeper. An early feminist, she believed that women should participate fully in all aspects of society, including politics. Among the causes she first adopted was dress reform for women, primarily the abolishment of corsets and other constrictive clothing. In an era when women were encouraged to be “ladylike,” she also promoted bicycling and other physical activity for women. In 1885 Sheppard joined the Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) and two years later became leader of the WCTU’s suffrage campaign. A tireless advocate, she wrote pamphlets, organized meetings and lectures, and presented a series of petitions to Parliament. Several suffrage bills failed before Parliament finally granted women the right to vote in 1893. Sheppard was later active in woman suffrage movements in other countries, including England and the United States.
In 1896 Sheppard helped establish the National Council of Women (NCW) and became its first president. Among the issues she supported were greater equality in marriage and the right of women to run for Parliament. Although poor health forced her to step down as president of the NCW in 1903, she remained a prominent figure in the women’s rights movement. Her image appears on the New Zealand $10 banknote.
                                                             
CITATION!
<"Kate Sheppard." Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Web. 16 Mar. 2011. <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1090714/Kate-Sheppard>.>
Cancelschool2011 (talk) 21:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about Kate Sheppard 

message: I have removed this from the article, not because I think it never existed, but mainly because it seems to have disappeared and may be a little obscure, and especially since I've found no evidence it's an on-going thing. If more information can be found would be happy for something brief about it to be re-included in the article. Here is the text (the reference was dead, so I removed it): 
"In 2016, a memorial lecture in her name was initiated – the Kate Sheppard Women of Influence Lecture. The inaugural lecture was held at Massey University's Wellington campus and the speaker was Stacey Shortall. It is planned to be an annual event, sponsored by Westpac bank."
Cheers. -- Shudde talk 15:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kate Sheppard Women of Influence Award 

message: After I started working on the article a couple of months ago I noticed that the citation style used a mixture of formats. I have altered it to the style we have now in order to make it consistent. I prefer this style myself, but if anyone has a problem with it please ping me about it here. -- Shudde talk 17:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Hi team, I've received an interview request, and the Radio NZ journalist specifically mentions the Kate Sheppard GA initiative. Is there anybody else interested in getting interviewed? If so, please add to the item on my talk page, or approach the journalist directly. Schwede66 05:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've emailed the journalist offering to answer any questions via email or on-wiki.-gadfium 17:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I emailed him and ended up speaking with him. -- Shuddetalk 20:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview request 

message: Hi. If we take this article to FAC then we have to be extra careful about close paraphrasing. I'm probably overparanoid about this, but is the statement  in our article too similar to the source   ?? -- Shuddetalk 20:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query about close paraphrasing 

message: Hi. I think it's nearly ready for a peer review. I'll give it another read through and a bit more of a copy-edit and then put it up for peer review.  Are you both happy with this? Do you feel we are done with significant changes? -- Shuddetalk 20:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There's still a "citation needed" for the paragraph about Merv Thompson's play, which should be dealt with before any peer review. Apart from that, it looks good to go.-gadfium 04:22, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't been able to find much to change, so I'm happy with it. Will do another read through though to check Susan Tol (talk) 05:48, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review time? 

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Sorry, couldn't figure out how to add this to the template of the "Notes" section. MurielMary (talk) 07:50, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for Sheppard House at CSIS 

message: The citation I added to the lead states 1992, but in the "Commemoration" section it states 1991. MurielMary (talk) 07:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There's something about the series five banknotes on the Reserve Bank website, and it states that "in mid-1991, the Reserve Bank decided to completely revise the appearance and features of New Zealand's banknotes". On the accompanying Flickr page, the sub-header states that "series 5 banknotes were first issued in 1991". To be honest, if they made the decision to revise the banknotes in mid-1991, I find it hard to believe that they got them into circulation before the year was over. Schwede66 08:10, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year that she appeared on the $10 note? 

message: The article only names schools in Cantebury, but there are others around the country. Should the article list more, or would it become too long and overly detailed? For example, Oteha Valley School: http://www.oteha.school.nz/about-us/houses/ 
* Orewa College: http://www.orewa.school.nz/activities/house-programme/ MurielMary (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other schools with a Sheppard House 

message: I found the article "Archival Activism: the Editors fighting Wikipedia’s Sexism Problem" this morning via Twitter.  
I made a few minor changes. Feel free to revert if they are not the default.Oceanflynn (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Tweet

message: I've been distracted for the last few months, but am now ready to make this article my priority for the next six weeks. I will be unavailable for a couple of weeks sometime in August, so this would seem to be the best time as far as I am concerned to put this forward as a FA candidate.
I had not anticipated that the coming anniversary of women's suffrage would make it difficult to get the source material from public libraries in New Zealand, but the main sources now have waiting lists. Fortunately I have bought my own copy of Devaliant's work. I'm in the library queue for a copy of Grimshaw's book, and I am prepared to go into the library to use a desk copy as necessary until it arrives.
Any comments before I start the FAC process?-gadfium 21:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Now nominated at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Kate_Sheppard/archive1.-gadfium 05:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Promoted to FA! Well done gadfium and everyone else who contributed. Nurg (talk) 11:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Time for a Featured article run?

message: Hi all, I've made an interactive map in my user sandbox using  if you'd like to take a look. I've included some explanatory comments; feel free to take the code and modify it. Please  me if you have any questions. — Hugh (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, the idea was to use a period map for the base. Especially outside of the CBD, the road network was much less dense 125 years ago than what it is today. If the library had been happy with giving me the map in high resolution for free we could have turned that old map into a location map. With the poor resolution image that was available to us it didn't seem worth going to that effort. Schwede66 05:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Since the interactivity doesn't work unless you choose the full-screen option, I don't find it very useful. The map does look nice, but I still think the period map is more appropriate.-gadfium 05:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interactive map 

message: This article references both print and web versions of Tessa Malcom's entry for Sheppard in the 1993 edition of the DNZB. These should be merged. I'd be happy to do this if it's agreed upon. — Hugh (talk) 01:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. I don't think this would be controversial.-gadfium 01:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will have a crack at it this weekend or early next week. — Hugh (talk) 03:25, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNZB refs 

message: Spotted this banner the other day; it's displayed at the Trinity Church in central Christchurch. Schwede66 05:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photo 

message: When this article was promoted to featured article status in 2018 (this is the version that was promoted)], it uses the word 'suffragette' several times to describe Sheppard and other people she worked with - indeed, the first sentence of the lead describes her as "the country's most famous suffragette", and linking to suffragette. All of these uses of the word have been removed since then, most recently by . I see that  has reviewed and accepted the change, so I'm not going to revert again - I just want to make sure that the text currently in the article accurately reflects the sources we are using - I'd be surprised if nobody noticed that 'suffragette' wasn't supported by the sources during the FA review, but I guess it could have slipped through. Some of the sources are offline, so I can't review this for myself; also pinging , who did a lot of work on it and nominated it for FA, so presumably has access. Best Girth Summit (blether) 10:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I was aware of the distinction between suffragette and suffragist at the time I worked on the article, and was more familiar with "suffragette". The main source, Devaliant's biography of Sheppard, doesn't give either term in the index, and refers to people's activities in support of women's suffrage or the women's franchise campaign rather than giving them a label. It does mention suffragette in the context of overseas campaigns, e.g. "Mackay...was the New Zealand correspondent for the suffragette paper Votes for Women" (page 207). I now understand that suffragists campaigned for women's right to vote via peaceful and constitutional means, while suffragettes came later in those countries where suffragists had not been successful, and took more militant and direct action. Suffragist is the appropriate term in this article.-gadfium 17:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The U.S. National Park Service says "suffragette" was coined in Britain by a journalist to mock the suffragists.  Schazjmd (talk) 18:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for checking in. Yes, the 2018 GA version wasn't correct; it should have used the term "suffragist". Sheppard was always peaceful in her actions. Schwede66 01:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't even realise until reading this discussion that there's a difference between suffragette and suffragist (beyond the former being more gendered towards women). Good to learn something new! Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

text: OK thanks all - good to know this has been fixed now, thanks to  and apologies for the inconvenience of my earlier revert. Girth Summit (blether) 05:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suffragette?