Talk:Pre-nominal letters

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I suppose this may be a valid subject for an article, but I'm absolutely sure it's not at the correct title. Is there really a difference between this and...er..."Title"? Deb 19:35, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I created the article, their is a post-nominal letters article and whilst pre-nominal are not as common they do exist eg Eur Ing (using pre-nominal ensures that people don't confuse it with post-nominal- they often do), this is not a title in the traditional sense of social titles, similarily other titles such as professional are properly called "pre-nominal letters" or "pre-nominal designations" - most people use just "title". Ultimately I think a redirect would be better than a deletion. Djegan 19:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Using "pre-nominal" is just more specific than "title" which can be either "pre" or "post" Djegan 19:49, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But post-nominal letters are not the same as titles, whereas pre-nominal letters (or at least, the way the article is written at present) are. Deb 21:07, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: This proposal can probabilty be solved by creating a redirect to title and in the opening paragraph explaining that some titles are "pre" and some are "post". My reason for creating the article was primarily because the Eur Ing title is often mistaken as a post-nominal title whilst it is not and to have a formal pre-nominal article - in time the article may expand or simply remain a stub - ultimately its simply a better way of classifying "Doctor", "Lord", "Professor" and such - but is it neccessary to delete such a new article which reduces disambig, does wikipedia include the total sum of human knowledge already - maybe titles should be classified into pre and post articles. The post-nominal article already has many of the titles and many of these titles have extensive articles on them. I say keep?. Djegan 21:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Aren't these called "honorifics?" They're sure not pre-nominal letters. Geogre 21:38, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Another thing known by many different names! Djegan 21:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's as may be, but by Wikipedia standards the article should normally be at the most common name for the subject, which "pre-nominal letters" isn't. (I searched on Google; both pre-nominal letters and prenominal letters got no hits whatsoever. That doesn't necessarily prove that the term doesn't exist, but it does prove at minimum that it's a far less common term than honorific.) I'd propose that anything useful in this article which isn't already in honorific or title should be merged into one of those two entries. Bearcat 23:31, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: On closer examination, honorific seems to be written in such a way as to imply that honorifics only exist in Japanese. Major cleanup needed there, since that's emphatically not true. Bearcat 23:35, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Don't worry pre-nominal does exist - search a little deeper, title is a very common term, pre-nominal is specific and includes professional not just social and such. (i have not contributed over 6 months of rubbish, i set my standards very high) Djegan 23:41, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Fair enough - as long as the previously existant articles make it more clear as to pre- and post-, less ambiguity, their is already to much duplication anyway! Djegan 18:46, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

message: Same goes for Lord/Lady ("Dr. Lady Jane Poshname") or Hon. ("Maj. Hon. James Bellamy"), right? —Tamfang (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You would think so - but this example states otherwise: " 'Professor Lord Robert Winston' or 'Lord Robert Winston' are incorrect in British usage though used elsewhere in the world." (from Robert Winston#Styles and honours) Norman21 (talk) 04:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  That example actually supports my point: immediately above the quoted sentence is the style Prof. The Lord Winston.  "Lord Robert" would be a younger son of a ≥marquess, which he indeed isn't; see also Lord Peter Wimsey (younger son of a duke), Lady Sarah Chatto (daughter of an earl). —Tamfang (talk) 09:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are correct - the "incorrect in British usage" is referring to the inclusion of his first name, not the sequence of the titles. Norman21 (talk) 13:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Sir'' etc in sequence 

message: The article treats the titles Mr, Mrs, Ms etc as an afterthought, but seems to imply that they are members of the class of prenominals. Given that these are vastly more common than the higher-status titles listed in the article, they should be given more prominence or else distinguished by saying something like "these common titles are not usually considered as prenominals" JQ (talk) 05:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common titles