Talk:Atlantis/Archive 1

message: There are two stories linked from the Slashdot story. -- Jim Regan 08:58, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked from Slashdot: Scientists claim to have found Atlantis 

message: plz someone will delete that sentence.  If I write an internet site about Atlantis in the moon, in the next day, it will be here also? Interresting. I must test it. -Pedro 19:20, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antarctica 

message: Does this section even need to be in here? It's very poorly written and adds little or nothing to the article.
:Remove it. The editor that contributed also added a useless paragraph to the Mars article. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 13:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Strange Ideas" 

message: trying to get a conspiracy based wiki up and running. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiconspiracy. check it out, add input. most of all help me get it running (I'm kinda amature over here)--Matt D 02:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  proper place for conspiracies to run free 

message: People are so American-centric that even in the case of Atlantis they manage to put that in debate, reaching almost the ridicule. I think that the guy that wrote that should go in a boat from Greece to the US. This article needs NPOV, when a reasonable guy starts reading the article imidiatly thinks: "what an impossibility." 
Lets talk about the Iberian Findings and those from Greece. The only ones that are credible and not from a book that wants to sell in the USA. And take of all that non-sence, or manage to put it has a curiosity. -Pedro 02:35, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  America America America 

message: can we sort the location theories by region, please? so that we have the places actually known to the Ancient Greeks in one place, and the crackpot theories of Cuba/America/Indonesia in another? Can we also compact the horrible, unwikified, fawning India/Indonesia paragraph cut down to at most a quarter of its present length? dab 17:08, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and here I thought that the "real" City of Atlantis was in the Pegasus Galaxy! Silly me! VigilancePrime 06:45, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Locations

message: Deleted the reference to Riven the Seer under the Mid-Atlantic section. Confusing, poor grammer, and seemingly blatent nonsence added by one guy in order to express his particular viewpoint. Perhaps someone can rework it. 
It's been up since Jul 29. Surprised it last that long untouched.
As here:
The modern day legendary Riven, The Seer, proposes Atlantis to be a mid-sized Continental island in the Atlantic Ocean based out of the Amperes/Gettysburg Seamounts that was destroyed in several stages from Asteroid and Meteoric showers combined with a major Transform Fracture adjacent to the Atlantic Ridge.In 1979 a Russian expedition team found traces of a civilization at the Amperes Seamount which was published in the New York Times. The final catastrophe occuring at 6482 bC for the time also of the Great Flood that pushed civilizations into the eastern mediterranean. Later Atlantis controlling it's foundations up to Tyrhennia and Egypt from their Lake Tritonis Region no later than 1500 bC. Riven also translated the 10 Kings of Atlantis and the meaning of the name Atlantis into Fatherland and discovered the word Araklum in Etruscan scripts that relates to the mysterious Orichalcum element found in Atlantis. He argues that this battle must have been prior to 3100 bC and that the Narmer Palette and Gebel-Arak knife(4000 bC.), found in Egypt prior to King Menes(3100 bC), is evidence of an earlier foreign Sea-People invasion. His destruction theory is also based on the Eye of Ra Myth, the eruptions of Mt.Hekla and Mt.Vesuvius,the ecliptic alignment of planets on Nov 1,6482 bC, All Saints Day, and the flooding of the Black Sea from the Bosphorous straites opening. He has quite the visual website detailing Atlantis, it's location and maps with a list of the Ten kings of Atlantis and links to research sites about Atlantis called Tribes of Atlantis by Riven. The Atlantis story is a retelling by Plato and not a myth as many scholars attest because of Plato and his idealistic philosophies. The Original authors were Solon and Dropides who told the story to Critias elder who told it to Critias junior. Critias detailed the story to Socrates where it was later adapted by Plato. In 570 bC, in the time of Pharaoh Amasis, the extremely elderly Egytian Priest, realizing the end of Egypt was near, let the secret of Atlantis finally fall from his well guarded lips.
--Ailric 17:51, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations 

message: Not to mention that he only invented Atlantis in the first place as a ficitonal example of a society destroyed by its own behavior.  This page needs big help.  It's so POV, it's not even funny.  Maybe there's a statement somewhere here about mainstream historians' (and archaeologists', geologists', etc.) opinion on this topic (I.E. that atlantis never existed), but I am not about to sort through all the cruft to get there.  I may take a crack at cleaning this one up soon.
To any atlantis-believers who may be bothered by my skeptical attitude - don't worry!  even though I think atlantis is a myth in the most literal sense of the word, i also think that all of the varied opinions and stories about it are what makes it interesting - and i'll treat everything in an npov, respectful manner and avoid stepping on toes).  Basically, I plan to increase the size of the introduction, and include the academic consensus promeniently, but leave in as many of the other theories as I can - removing only those that are written with irredeemably bad style or do not come from notable published works (using a very low threshold for notability).  
It will probably take me a long time to get around to doing this.
ZacharyS 03:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plato Pt. 2, and general grumbles 

message: Since all of OUR information derives from Plato, perhaps the dates he was writing these works would be important to state? As it is, it's not even mentioned until much later in the Modern Revival section, where one can do the math and get the time period. This is a rather clumsy way of doing things. CFLeon 00:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: This article needs to be re-written. It presents pseudohistory as actual history. Plato used Atlantis as an allegory for a moral message, as he was fond of doing (The Republic), and people started taking it literally. Now, New Agers have taken it as a myth of theirs, even though it is fiction and was intended to be recieved as such. This is mind-boggling. As Carl Sagan explained in his book The Demon-Haunted World, there is absolutely no evidence for Atlantis and there never has been.
Maprovonsha172 17:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pseudohistory 

message: Which parts are nonsensical? not that I am defending the "existence" of Atlantis, I just want to know which parts need improvement or are disputed. --Revolución (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsensical 

message: did Plato's account mention natural or divine causes as the reason Atlantis was destroyed? Or were the divine elements of the story added later? --Revolución (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plato's account 

message: 50,000 to 10,000 years ago, the oceans were 100 meters (300 feet) shallower and the world's offshore continental plateaus were exposed and dry. Glaciers held the difference in ice located mostly in interior highlands. It is hypothesized that global climate may have stabilized between arctic highlands and tropical seas (at least along the equator); and that Atlantis was not one city, but a global, nautical civilization whose cities ringed every continent along these lowland plains. When enough ice melted to top off the oceans, often catastrophically (thousand foot tsunamis coming from inland, volcanoes, earthquakes, 40 day rains, etc.), this civilization was smashed and drowned completely. What little we recall of it, we call Atlantis. 
this is highly speculative and unlikely. Would anyone support removal of this section? --Revolución (talk) 23:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and deleted it. --C-squared 03:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Other locations' 

message: This article is getting too long and unwiedly.  I have moved some the content to a new page.  It doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be cleaned up, but hopefully will be in more manageable chunks. Reflex Reaction 19:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving content to individual pages 

message: Should we merge the articles Lost Lands, Lost city, Phantom island together?
And one more thing: do you think the title Mu (lost continent) is appropriate because it's probably not actually a real lost continent. Should it be Mu (legendary continent) or Mu (mythical continent? --Revolución (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about the merge. I also suggest that another article created apart called List of lost lands. Regarding Mu, I think Mu (mythical continent) would be the right title. Cheers -- Svest 14:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  discussion of multiple pages on "lost lands" 

message: I've just created a new article Atlantis in fiction that I had to split from this main article. -- Svest 00:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New article

message: Is possible that Atlantis of Platon was Sumeria, in anteluvian era?
--Ionn 20:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlantis and Sumeria 

message: :I removed, now twice, a link to atlan.org as it tells nothing about Atlantis but only seeks to sell a book. I do not believe that it is appropriate here, and after comparing it to other links on the Atlantis page, I believe that judgement to be correct.
:IF someone would like to COMMENT on why this link should be there, we can discuss it here and come to a consensus. Until then, it will continue to be removed.
:On a side note, it is listed under location THEORIES, and yet the site seems to assert that they have found it and everyone else is wrong. I think that's a secondary conflict and would seek resolution to that as well.)
:VigilancePrime 19:56, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Selling website

message: The section data is not 'original research' as all the sentences are well documented on sources and adds nothing more to those same sources, either esoteric or scientific peer-reviewed (presented below on the references section); as so, I'm going to revert your edition/erasion as it has no grounds. --GalaazV 23:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if sourced (and there seems to be only one person in that regard), the text you placed in this article is just a diatribe in favor of vertical tectonics, and puts forward no theory on the location of Atlantis nor an explicit explanation of what happenned to it and when.  As it adds no useful information on the topic of Atlantis itself, it is inappropriate.  BTW - If you are David Pratt, then you should see the guideline WP:AUTO. --EMS | Talk 23:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlantic ocean Atlantis and the Vertical tectonics