Talk:Hellenic Parliament

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message: Two images are available. One show the balance of power. One allow visualization of the +50 bonus, and the real balance of legitimacy.
	400px|visualizing the balance of power.
Use the one you want.
Yug (talk) 19:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "real balance of legitimacy" is the 129 MPs ND currently has. Signaling the 50 bonus seats is not justified, as no reliable source distinguishes those 50 seats from the rest. – Kosm1fent 19:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I too prefer the second, because that is the composition of Parliament, plain and simple, and that is what shapes the national politics. Demarkating the +50 seats and effectively implying that they lack legitimacy is simply wrong. For one thing, the electoral law is the law and would equally apply to any party, and extra seats have been allocated to the first party in most elections since 1974 (although never as many), without anyone having to denote them separately. If one is interested in the actual electoral balance, one has simply to compare the percentages of votes. Constantine   ✍  08:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no expert in Greek parliamentary politics, but the fact that 50 seats are awarded as winner-takes-all rather than proportionally seems like extremely vital information.  The first image shows it perfectly, IMO.  "simply to compare the percentages of votes" defeats the point of having a graphic in the first place.  Powers T 15:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The information can be conveyed without what is in essence a big pointy-y remark saying "look, 50 extra seats!". BBC for instance simply added "includes 50 extra seats for coming first" in the legend of similar depict ions, and that is fine. There is no need to denote the seats separately, implying reduced "legitimacy" or something... Constantine   ✍  15:15, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said before, the 50 bonus seats have no less or more powers than the rest MPs, so signaling them out (using different colors) would be inappropriate. Moreover, there is no issue of "legitimacy", as distribution of the seats took place under the Greek electoral law. – Kosm1fent 15:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would perhaps suggest a delimiter, then, such as a colored outline, around the 50 seats, rather than coloring them differently.  Powers T 02:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image : visualizing or not the +50 bonus 

message: Hello all,
I have changed the translation of the newly formed group "Ανεξάρτητοι Δημοκρατικοί Βουλευτές" from Independent Democratic MPs to Independent Republican MPS. As I was reverted, I'd like to explain my edit and hear other opinions per WP:BRD, before reverting back.
I believe that in this context it is wrong to translate Δημοκρατικοί by Democratic. The English-language concept of democracy is best translated in Greek by λαοκρατία/laokratía, while δημοκρατία/dimokratía is better translated in English by Republic, as in the official name of the country: Ελληνική Δημοκρατία/Ellinikí Dimokratía/Hellenic Republic. That makes it a false friend. As for political statements, I agree that this group has none, as it is a pure coordination group of independents from all the political spectrum, except the extreme. Also note that this term is also used on List of members of the Hellenic Parliament, June 2012–present and :fr:Parlement grec. Place Clichy (talk) 09:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling it a false friend is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Although δημοκρατία can be translated as both "democracy" and "republic", it is taken to mean the former except where it explicitly refers to the latter. You're quite right that Ελληνική Δημοκρατία is translated as "Hellenic Republic", but what about Νέα Δημοκρατία or Δημοκρατική Αριστερά? Furthermore, the use of the term republican in English often implies a contradistinction with monarchist that would be quite misleading in this context. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 20:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree 100% with ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ above. "Republican" in a Greek context would mean anti-monarchist, and post-1974 this is a moot issue. The meaning here is "Democratic" as it is commonly understood in English. Constantine   ✍  18:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best translation of ''Ανεξάρτητοι Δημοκρατικοί Βουλευτές'' 

message: In all honesty, this entire article reads like an MP's manual on how the parliament works. Is that really what the article should do? Do we really need to know how it operates in excruciating detail? This entire article should be re-written in my opinion, it is far too chaotic to be useful. In my view, the article should provide a general overview of the processes of how the Parliament works, what its responsibilities are, about its history and the history of its building - not an actual 30,000-character manual of operational procedures. There are seven sections on history - why?! It could be all merged into a nice section giving a general overview of the historical background, or broken into more concise subsections instead of having one section per period. There are no less than 20 sections on parliamentary procedures. Is there any reason we need to know every single subcommittee of every subcommittee of the subcommittee of a committee? Why is this relevant in an article intended to give a general overview of the Parliament? Anyone who wants to know exactly how it works can read the constitution and the Parliament's procedural guide. Does anyone else feel that this article is out of control and needs urgent re-writing? I personally feel that it is discouraging people from reading it (myself included). Wikipedia is not a law book, it's an encyclopedia. --Philly boy92 (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaotic article 

message: On top of the meriad of issues with this article, I would like to point out that the infobox, under "Government", is intended to show which parties are part of the government. Not everyone who gave the government a vote of confidence. If anything, the Government right now should effectively only list Syriza (145), with a note that 6 other MPs give it confidence. --Michail (blah) 15:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government composition 

message: Hello. It came to my notice that in the lead, the "Hellenic Parliament" (which normally translates to "Ελληνικό Κοινοβούλιο") was presented as being the english form for the term "Βουλή των Ελλήνων" (which normally should be translated into "Will of the Hellenes" or "Parliament of the Hellenes").
I have attempted to correct this problem with the following edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hellenic_Parliament&type=revision&diff=905798892&oldid=905399867&diffmode=source
However, if one visits the Hellenic Parliament's official website at:
https://www.hellenicparliament.gr/el/  (the Site in Greek language, where it is officially called "Βουλή των Ελλήνων" - transl. "Vouli ton Ellinon", meaning "Parliament of Hellenes" in English)
https://www.hellenicparliament.gr/en/  (the Site in English language, where it is officially called "Hellenic Parliament", meaning "Ελληνικό Κοινοβούλιο" in Greek)
will notice how the term "Hellenic Parliament" is used as the official english language's equivalent of the Greek term "Vouli ton Ellinon" even though the one isnt an accurate translation of the other. Also notice how even the official emblem of the institution is different name in each of the two language versions of the website - not the exact same name, but slightly different.
I am wondering if we should provide the additional info to the readers like how I did with my edit, or shall we revert to the previous version which officially uses two slightly different terms for the institution in different languages? --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 14:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hellenic Parliament", "Ελληνικό Κοινοβούλιο", "Vouli ton Ellinon" and "Βουλή των Ελλήνων" 

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