Talk:Russian literature

message: Won't someone add Nikolay Chernyshevsky to the page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.241.177 (talk) 09:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Authors

message: Aleksandr Nekrasov, as far as I can gather (), was a philogist and professor, and not a  major figure in Russian literature.  If the author meant Nikolai Nekrasov (whom I have just added), then please delete the name.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KCargill (talk • contribs) 03:59, 11 July 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I really don't think that belongs.  It is taking up over half of the space about the "golden age".  At the very least, it needs to be presented not as fact, but as some academics' opinions, IMO  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.166.9.98 (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. If this suicide discussion should be kept here, it should be squeezed to one paragraph in the best case. What is really missing in this section is a discussion of the major themes of the Golden Age like:
* The role of the aristocracy (dvoryanstvo) or of an educated person (later intelligentsia) in the society, e.g. the Superfluous man (Eugene Onegin, A Hero of Our Time, Oblomov), and later its opposite in The Cherry Orchard.
* The conflict between some modern ideas or ideals (usually represented by some idealistic character) and the society or the "real life" in general. E.g. nihilism in Fathers and Sons, materialistic radicalism in What Is to Be Done?, christian ideals in The Idiot, and in War and Peace (represented by Platon Karataev), materialistic entrepreneurship in The Cherry Orchard, etc.
* Satire, of political corruption and of the "unprogressive" Russian society in general (Nikolai Gogol, Mikhail Saltykov-Shchedrin, Aleksandr Griboyedov, Kozma Prutkov).
* The power and the society (e.g. Boris Godunov).
--Off-shell (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminist Stuff about Suicide in "golden age"

message: I changed the intro because it did not seem right to me to say so stridently about Russian literature declining under Soviet era. Yes I would agree 20th century literature did not have figures such as Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky - but by their standard what country wouldn't decline? Do we say English literature declined because there were no more Dickens or Shakespeare? Russia in the 20th century produced many great writers of poetry and prose. Certainly not all of them dissidents - and to call such as Pasternak a disident requires a very wide use of the term. A dissident cannot just mean someone who was, at one point in their life as against another, opposed to a regime. Solzhenitsyn okay - though whether one of the greatest Russian writers of the century is more a question. Or must we call Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky dissidents against tsarism? I think the intro was making a particular and here incorrect political statement.Stepyanov 02:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work - but I think it should go even further.  Who is the expert who knows when Russian literature "culminates"?  It's true that most sane people would say that Tolstoy and Dostoevsky are the peak of Russian literary achievement, but to imply that in any sense they are the "culmination" of all that came previously (and everything sense is somehow related to them and a denouement) is to undermine both authors' views of history (especially Tolstoy's).  At any rate, it needs a large number of citations.  More neutral language (leading to...?) rather than language implying causality needs to be used.  It would be better to be encyclopedic, that is, to simply mention pre-19th century authors, then major 19th century authors (including Bunin) then 20th century authors and allow readers to figure out on their own who resulted in whom.  If some are to be held to be literary references to others (Tolstoy arose from someone else, for example), citations are needed - did Tolstoy actually read those Russian authors while writing, for example, War and Peace (there's quite a bit known about this) or not?Levalley (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: intro

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message: Referring to the removal of Iff and Petrov.  They belong in the article but not under avant garde.Levalley (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good call on changing the part about avant garde writers. 

message: Did someone suggest that Burns is THE most important external influence on Russian literature? I for one didn't anything that said that he was THE most important influence, merely that he was and still is an influence. Saying that Burns does not merit inclusion in this wiki page is only POV. The info added regarding the influence of Burns in Russia is credible and has been fully referenced (unlike everything else currently in the Russian Literature wikpedia page). If you are able to provide references that say that Burns has had no influence in Russia then please provide those.
: Извините, а кто такой этот Burns?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 14:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: External influences in Russian literature

message: Hi Vryaldy,
Of course there are other external influences on Russian Literature. Where did it say that the only influence was Burns? The info on Burns was added as a further subheading under the heading of 'External influences on Russian Literature'. My understanding was that the purpose odf wikipedia for people to work together as a team to add info? I've added the info on Burns; I invite you and other contributors to add info on the other influences
Best regards  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.129.214 (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External influences in Russian literature 

message: Hi, 
I do not mind your last version of the section.
Vryadly (talk) 12:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External influences in Russian literature 

message: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/03043479
--222.64.26.148 (talk) 23:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A journal info about the topic..... 

message: This article claims:
Other Soviet celebrities, such as Alexander Serafimovich, Nikolai Ostrovsky, Alexander Fadeyev, Fyodor Gladkov or Demyan Bedny have never been published by mainstream publishers after 1989.
This statement is not true. An edition of Fadyev's "Young Guard" was published in 2005.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.216.101 (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factually incorrect statements 

message: Hello,
I think this subject allows a WikiProject on its own. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Russian literature. Yann (talk) 03:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a task force, covering the subject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Language and literature of Russia task force. It was started about a month ago, and currently is in development. I think that we can do without a standalone project for now. I know just a few people whom I intend to ask to join the task force, and better leave it as a part of WikiProject Russia. GreyHood Talk 15:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New WikiProject 

message: gorky is not as important as chekhov and should be included with the 20th century leading figures of russian literature, not as a second wave leading prosaist next to chekhov.--138.217.106.252 (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored an earlier version of this paragraph. The main problem I had with Gorky's deletion was the undue emphasis on Chekhov alone.Garik 11 (talk) 23:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Chekhov the leader

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message: Particularly the section on 20th century literature is really bad. A lot of noteworthy authors have been omitted, while rubbish from Nabokov, Solzhenitsyn, Pasternak, etc are given undue prominence. There needs to be more attention given to Gorky, Mayakovsky, Sholokhov, Fadeyev, and especially Ostrovsky's highly influental "How the Steel was Tempered". SadSwanSong (talk) 06:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your point of view. If you think they are really notable than the other (which I don't think, except for Gorky and Sholokhov), than be bold and do it yourself. Maybe they were popular in Russia, but not internationally. Regards.--GoPTCN 11:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor article 

message: Other Soviet celebrities, such as Alexander Serafimovich, Nikolai Ostrovsky, Alexander Fadeyev, Fyodor Gladkov or Demyan Bedny have never been published by mainstream publishers after 1989.
Which is not true. There's an edition of Ostrovsky's book published in 2007. Even in English, Fadeyev's work was published in the 2000s. Moreover, it should be considered that a large portion of these authors works are permanently available as e-books on Russian sites. SadSwanSong (talk) 20:57, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note User was banned as a sock account. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 06:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  False statement 

message: Most Russian literary classics are actually non-Russian, but poles, jews, and other slavs.
Kinda like most famous French today are actually non-French
*First of all, the article is on Russian literature, a literature written in Russian language, not literature written by genetically 100% tested Eastern Slavs.
*Second, there's no other definition of nationality but preferred language, unless you have Nazi racial theorists to measure if one's appearance fits what they consider a Russian appearance, or make genetic tests. A Russophone is presumably a Russian, unless the person himself says otherwise.
*Third, you're simply wrong. Of Russian classics, very few were jews. You should learn History of the Jews in Russia. Until XX century they were deprived of many rights, and until mid-XIX they could not even enter Russian education institutions. And there was not a single Pole who would become a Russian classic. I only can recall an Ukrainian (Gogol), some jews (Ilf and Petrov, Olesha, Babel, Mandelstam, possibly Strugatskies), and Pushkin had 1/8 of Ethiopian blood with 7/8 of Russian. The rest in the article are of Russian descent. Garret Beaumain (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexander Grin had Polish father.Xx236 (talk) 11:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Brodsky was Jewish.Xx236 (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian vs российский 

message: These are kind of abstract terms that hail back to Ancient Rome, and while I have seen them used before they seem increasingly antiquated when speaking of Russian Literature. They're also quite subjective. I certainly wouldn't throw someone out of my house for saying they preferred Yesenin to Lermontov. So I was thinking maybe these could be put in to context, or nixed. (Alcibiades979 (talk) 21:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Golden Age/Silver Age 

message: Yes, they were  widely influential, in many countries. Unsourced.Xx236 (talk) 11:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writers such as Victor Hugo and Honoré de Balzac were widely influential 

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message: I often see some confusion about this. Until the turn of the 17th/18th century, Church Slavonic was still used as the literary language in Russia, then limited to being the liturgical language. When Old Church Slavonic was first introduced, there was a single dialect continuum. Works from the 11th century are mainly just translations. Over time, local forms emerged which is referred to as Church Slavonic which included features of local dialects. In this case, it is called Russian Church Slavonic. The vernacular was usually used in other texts but it was not used as a literary language (although in Belarus/Ukraine this transition happened earlier). In the 18th century, during standardization, there were three styles proposed: the high style (Church Slavonic), middle style (mix of Church Slavonic and the vernacular), and the low style (vernacular). This may be something worth mentioning somewhere but I cannot find sources at the moment, maybe I'll have a look later. Mellk (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on language