Wikipedia talk:WikiProject recruitment for WikiProjects

message: (Same text as above, but trying to structurize the discussion)
Point is that management is something authoritarian. How can we decide what will be managed? Take the WikiProject proposals for instance. There are so many WikiProjects on the list that will not make it. Someone has an idea and posts it. Some others follow that idea and that's it. How can people be committed? 
The hierarchy is intended in choosing which projects will be followed with recruiters actively recruiting for a WikiProject and make it effectively a succes. So, authority is in the choice for the WikiProject not in ordering people around, but in excluding people and their WikiProjects. Something that happens automatically at the moment, because Wikipedia is sometimes a barren desert where nobody hears your call, unless you go out and meet people yourself. The people who exclude within the recruitment project are including WikiProjects in order to making them a succes, thereby excluding those WikiProjects for which they lack time in making them a succes. It is order into chaos, but a specific order, which excludes much of the chaos. So, there is no punishment needed. Besides, punishment won't work very well in a volunteer project.--Daanschr 21:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Competition can be a solution to the problem of the authoritarian choice for a WikiProject. If several WikiProjects are chosen at the same time, than managers have to make an effort in convincing recruiters which WikiProjects are the most worthwhile to recruit for. Recruiters can get popular among managers for their succes in recruiting, thereby the whole authority problem can be averted. (Can't imagine clearly how it will work in practise, though)--Daanschr 21:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Management and authority

message: I have the impression that the discussion about the management department has dried up a little. The discussion was too abstract, i think. Management is an activity. Therefore i propose to choose a WikiProject and start recruiting as a testcase. The methodology of the management department can evolve during the recruitment. So, which WikiProject will we recruit for? It must be something for which people could be interested in, so it shouldn't be too obscure or boring.--Daanschr 09:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A good way to come to a decision for the moment, to get things started is to ask everyone applying to start a WikiProject, to help recruiting for other WikiProjects in order to collectively making the recruiting project a success?--Daanschr 18:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will recruit some more people tomorrow in order to get more life into this project. My work consists out of doing nearly nothing and getting paid for it, which is pretty boring. So, i will spend a lot of time recruiting! I am managing a computerroom at a school for 16 to 20 years old.--Daanschr 16:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can see how that would be less than thrilling. Regarding getting new project starters to start recruiting for other projects, that could be problematic, particularly if the project proposer should have little if any interest or ability beyond their own limited scope. But, just as a suggestion, Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink has only eight members for a project of really tremendous scope and importance. That might be one place to start. John Carter 16:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see dozens of participants on that WikiProject, though the majority could be inactive. There are several subgroups.--Daanschr 09:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I will start up a new article for the management department tomorrow, where recruiting strategies can be build up. My suggestions for managing recruitment for WikiProject Food and drink is that we start with an orientation phase in which the goals of the recruitment will be determined, followed by a recruitment phase and finished by a evaluation phase after which a new recruitingproject can be started. My father is a director of a company, he plans everything in in time schedules via excell sheets, that could be an idea.--Daanschr 20:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Next step

message: I think this project would be better served as a working group of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council (assuming this project/work group ever becomes active). Right now this would include moving to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Recruitment work group, or something to that effect. I'm not really planning on trying to revive this project or otherwise work on it at this time, but as far as structure and general cleanup of inactive projects this would probably be better as a subpage of this project. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure there's any need to retain the existing material, actually, since it's not really developed (and pretty much duplicates the purpose of the Council itself).  Could we just redirect this page to the main WP:COUNCIL one instead?  Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. I'll still leave this up for the standard xFD 7 days to make sure. -Optigan13 (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me; maybe someone else will suggest a better idea. Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving to subpage of WikiProject Council