Talk:Attacks on humanitarian workers

message: There are plenty more, it would be good to make this a relatively comprehensive list, with links to the more notorious ones like the Canal Hotel Bombing and the Atambua killings.2toise 05:08, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
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message: Recent Israeli and Afghanistan wars are not covered, as well as the Korea situation (food aid blocked from US, Canada, UK for conditional reasons etc)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenga3 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: Of course it does not justify the kidnapping to identify the Koreans as missionaries.(See 
However it is very tricky to identify them as humanitarian workers who usually deliver humanitarian aid according to humanitarian principles which prohibit proselytizing (and usually spend more than ten days in the field).  It is hard enough to convince suspicious governments that the sole purpose of humanitarian aid is to help the victims survive and blurring the lines between missionaries and humanitarians does not help.--Joel Mc 10:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kidnapped Korean Missionaries

message: As with any list, the question is, who gets included? An fair rule would be, "the victims of the attack must be operating under a Code of Conduct advocating neutrality, impartiality, and independence". That is one razor shart distinction between government workers, for-profit employees, and aid workers.
By that rule, the "2007 Mogadishu TransAVIAexport Airlines Il-76 crash" link should be removed. The airplane was a commercial operation, in the process of carrying humanitarian aid, probably on a for-profit basis (as is almost always the rule for humanitarian cargo operations). The airplane technicians killed in the crash were clearly not humanitarians: they were in Mogadishu to repair one of the other airplanes in the company's fleet.
I don't mean be too inflammatory, but by my proposed filter, and USAID employees should not be counted as they are not independent humanitarian aid workers. Sometimes, as in Iraq, they are parties to the conflict, and end up making targets of themselves that way. Jra (talk) 20:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's actually incorrect.  USAID funded projects are not considered "parties to the conflict" unless they employ undercover U.S. intelligence or military intelligence operatives, which is another kettle of fish; i.e. for USAID to be considered a "party to the conflict", USAID would a priori be required to have a military mandate, which de jura it does not. De facto, USAID funds may sometimes be misused for such purposes; BUT that can happen with any form of humanitarian funding; i.e. a 'slippery slope'.  If it's fine to (kill, shoot, imprison) one aid worker on supposition of conflict-relation, then it's fine to do it to them all.  At which point humanitarian worker protections are destroyed. 83.77.7.7 (talk) 23:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Who Gets Included

message: Article has been semiprotected for 1 week.  — Rlevse • Talk •  02:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: Inclusion of an incident in this article carries an assertion that the incident constituted an attack on humanitarian workers. This assertion needs to be verified or it is WP:OR. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 15:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does. Therefore you should not remove an inclusion when it is sourced and verified. --386-DX (talk) 12:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, with the caveat that appending a source to a statement does not automatically mean the source supports the assertions in the statement. In your case, I read through the three sources, and they didn't. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Many sources attest to the ships bringing humanitarian aid, the people bringing humanitarian aid are classed as what? The Free Gaza movement is a human rights movement, so that can also be classed as humanitarian. ValenShephard 12:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Were they Non-combatants? Chesdovi (talk) 12:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Even if the content of the ships were widely regarded as humanitarian aid, which I don't believe it is, that wouldn't automatically make the passengers of the ship humanitarian workers. And it certainly wouldn't establish that the Israeli operation was an "attack on" the passengers. If you are intent on adding this incident to the article - which you clearly are - you need sources. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

text: So, for the fourth time, you need sources, to verify both your current assertion that the IHH is a humanitarian organization (Free Gaza is irrelevant here because its activists were not involved in the violence), and the implied assertion that Israeli action on the ship constituted an "attack on" the workers. Considering that on both counts there is video evidence to the contrary, this could be difficult. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

text: The Telegraph article explicitly states that the IHH is not a humanitarian organization. The article could not be clearer on this point. One of the main groups involved in the flotilla that was raided by Israeli commandos on Monday was the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedom and Humanitarian Relief, which is a radical Islamist group masquerading as a humanitarian agency. None of your quotes indicate that anyone except the IHH itself see the IHH as a humanitarian organization. The fact that the UN grants the group official recognition does not mean that it endorses the group's self-description. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 12:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That statement by the telegraph is the opinion of the telegraph only. Israel in the article doesnt dispute that what the IHH does is humanitatarian in nature. Secondly the UN recognises what the IHH does as humanitarian. Why else would it list it under the NGOs it recognises, supports and respects? The quotes I gave from the UN sister agency clearly shows that they agree with the purposes and aims of the IHH. You show no sign of wanting to compromise and didnt take the offer to change the name of the article or to balance the statements. ValenShephard 13:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Who gets included II

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message: I would shorten it and add some graphs showing trends. Zezen (talk) 12:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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message: I've drafted and am requesting another article Draft:Aid_Worker_Security_Database one reviewer, User:Robert_McClenon, rejected due to its relation to this article. The article I hope to post is not a spin out of this article for a number of reasons. In the present era of open data and the importance of data analysis, the database itself is a separate entity apart from the types of incidents it collects. Although the AWSD (Aid worker security database) monitors attacks on humanitarian workers, this data is used to produced a number of resources such as gender analysis in humanitarian work, over all numbers of aid workers globally, and nationalities of those present. According to recent publications, some of the AWSD data was used to frame a separate report on aid coverage in NE Nigeria. By requesting these two articles be one, it grossly downplays the contributions of the Aid worker security database, used by the UN for a decade, and reduces it to a simple footnote on the page for explaining the physical act of attacking a humanitarian worker. In addition to reducing contributions, combining these articles also downplays the vast uses for large datasets even beyond the sectors originally intended for. Using this logic, all wiki database pages should be a part of the wiki topics they keep track of, the database ACLED wiki page should not be separate from pages like Civilian casualties and the many pages that reference rules of IHL (International Humanitarian Law). I would appreciate any discussion on how Draft:Aid_Worker_Security_Database can be published as its own stand alone article. Thank you. Also to help this article, Attacks on humanitarian workers, one section should link to the wiki pages for Insecurity Insight and  ACLED, and hopefully the Aid Worker Security Database when it is accepted, as all three monitor attacks in different ways and use the data differently. HumOutcomes (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: Hundreds were killed, but not humanitarian workers; https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/news-releases/unhcr-office-destroyed-guinea-fighting
Regarding claim; "Guinea – December 7 – Hundreds of people were killed after rebels destroyed a UNHCR centre." Gene.redinger (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Workers killed in Guinea capital?