Talk:The Victors

message: The melody of the fight song is very similar to the trio section from The Spirit of Liberty March. (not Hail to the Spirit of Liberty by Sousa) This march appears on the Karussells of Europe recording. At one point, the University of Michigan article had a note that it was George (Geo) Rosey's and was copyrighted earlier in 1898. However, I can find no corroborating data, including searching the Library of Congress.
:Some Spartans sent me a link to the other song. The info I find from Karussells of Europe suggest it to be a traditional. [] MMetro 01:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tune 

message: These states constituted the former Northwest Territory: Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Is not somewhat probable that -- "Champions of the NorthWest" simply wouldn't scan, and was shortened by the songwriter to "West"?
66.65.76.15 21:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  The Big Ten Conference was long unofficially known as the "Western Conference."  Funnyhat 02:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Champions of the West

message: Is it "the leaders and best" as the article says or "the leaders and the best", because I recall a "the" in there, which matches the cadence of "the victors of the West" line, and a lot of people on the Internet (via google) think it's "the best" as well, far more than just "best", although using the Internet to figure anything out is pretty dodgy (yes, even wikipedia). Who determines the official song? What's written, somewhere, or how it is sung? This seems pretty problematic...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.151.216 (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The leaders and (the) best 

message: Wordbuilder, I don't understand your insistence on removing the lyrics.  The article does not violate WP:NOT#LYRICS because of the other content, the lyrics are public domain, and they add significantly to the article's value.  -TheMile (talk) 04:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: TheMile, I hadn't previously seen your message. I apologize for not responding sooner. Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Fight songs has now been closed with a consensus to not keep fight song lyrics on Wikipedia. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have since reverted my edits to other fight songs from which I removed lyrics. However, I was not the editor who last removed the lyrics from this article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: From a discussion on merging on the Talk:University of Michigan page:
As a song The Victors is notable without even being placed into the category of Fight Songs. It was named in Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Fight_songs as an example of a notable fight song. The article itself has a ref from the New York Times. Template:Big Ten fight songs is one of many places that refer to the song and other Big Ten songs directly. The sports articles use a template similar to Template:NCAAFootballSchool where the fight song has its own link. Group29 (talk) 22:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: University of Michigan is not represented with a project at :Category:WikiProject Universities. Please comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan#Should_University_of_Michigan_have_a_project.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  02:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Michigan Project 

message: I brought this statement to the talk page to get a better understanding if there might be some confusion as to just what is suppose to be expressed. It would appear that two different points are being made in the same statement: "The lyrics are unusual for a fight song, in that the typical fight song exhorts its team to play well and win, whereas "The Victors" is sung in celebration of a win rather than as an act to encourage success."
I thought it best to have the reaction of those that come from that environment to get across the nuances that might be missing in the conscious expressions but understood subconsciously by UM's in the know. I am confused about the lyrics being unique or the song being used in a unique manner after a decisive move? The other statement about use of the song certainly makes it seem as if it is used in more than after decisive actions?76.170.88.72 (talk) 08:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unusual lyrics or unusual use ?