Talk:Ferenc Gyurcsány

message: Hello Sicboy, there is one other point in which I think we should make a change. You wrote in the article, that as long he was a minister for sports, a huge doping scandal broke out, which is true, still the context makes it look like as if it would have been his wrongdoing, and that is not encyclopedical. You must also know, that the official standpoint of the ministry was that our athletes had not doped, so either you add this too, or we shall remove the sentence at all. That does not mean, that I would like Gyurcsány, Medgyessy or Orbán, but since it's the Wikipedia, we should stay NPOV.
:That was not my addition ((i think)), so it can be removed, but let's see what others think about it. --Sicboy 00:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics scandal 

message: Funny guy :-) bogdan 22:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hugh Grant

message: I have a question concerning the point "Opposition Arguments". The sources are missing at some points. Especially on the issue of administrative reform, there is no source. Furthermore, what were the reasons for his predecessors resignation? What was the conflict between MSZP and SZDSZ about? Can anyone help out?
--Philiboy 14:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His predecessor, [Péter Medgyessy](aka "D-209" - he was unmasked as a communist agent) on August 19, 2004, due to impaired confidence in him by the coalition partner Alliance of Free Democrats (SZDSZ), declared his resignation, much to the dismay of the Socialist Party).Hungary's Prime Minister Exposed as Former Communist Spy  Amexos 2:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not correct. The D-209 scandal happened in 2002 and "the coup" removing him from power in 2004. He got replaced by Gyurcsany because of dwindling approval numbers and coalition disagreements. His predecessor didn't resign, the parliament can, with a simple majority, exchange prime ministers at any time. A beautiful mind 01:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  A beautiful mind is correct. He did not have to resign because of the D-209 scandal. He had to resign much later for other reasons.Msoos 08:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: OK. See correction with reference. Amexos 22:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opposition Arguments

message: How about making a new article about the events related to the audio recording? --HappyCamper 09:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article? 

message: Who taped and leaked the "confession"?
:The crystal clear quality of the voice material suggests it was taken direct from the amplifier used for driving the indoor loudspeakers. Someone simply attached an extra cable for tape recorder, so it must have been an insider job. The other alernative is ultra-topnotch spy equipment, as you don't get this recording quality from a usual bug or a laser bouncer that taps the windowglass to record voice through resonances.
:Allegedly, someone tried to sell the scandal records for either 100k or 600k euros several weeks before it was posted to major hungarian media outlets for free. 81.0.68.145 22:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who leaked 

message: I find it unfortunate that:
# With the exception of the 'we fucked it up' part, I wrote the artilce 99.9%
# That nobody gave a damn about the article up until then, and even then they only edited that subsection
# Right-wing people keep on saying that the article is pro-socialist but don't add to the article, instead, delete, or alter one word here, one word there, and argue over it.
# That left-wing people don't add to the article.
# That everybody readily critisises politicians verbally, but don't actually put their arguments in a referencable manner that would suit Wikipedia (since just saying 'every politician is a worm, so is Gyurcsány' is not encyclopedic as we all know)
# That a nation of 10 million has only one person that can find the time to keep in shape the article of its Prime Minister on Wikipedia.
So for everyone reading this, I ask this: Please add to the article. Add where he was born, what high-school he attended, what languages he speaks at what level, which conference he attended, which big politician did he have conversation with (Bush, etc.) and when, what are his current policies and what is the rationale behind these policies, and so on...
Thanks in advance, Msoos 22:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I find it unfortunate... 

message: In the box below the Prime Minister's photograph, his dates in office are listed as September 29, 2004 - October 1, 2006. I see no mention either in this article or in the article pertaining to the protests that says that he will be stepping down as of October 1, so where is this coming from? I don't know if it's true or not, but I do think that this needs to be verified. If true, particular mention of this fact should be made elsewhere in the article. --IntrigueBlue 04:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 1, 2006? 

message: The article's heading is plagued with funny characters, such as (\\\'\\\'\\\'Ferenc Gyurcsány (help·info)\\\'\\\'\\\'). Do they have any meaning? If no answers appear in a few days, I'll delete them. Any objections? --AVM 23:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Do those strange characters mean anything?

message: I just reverted the page.  Someone decided to vandalise again.  I also asked that the page be protected for the time being Dominic 16:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert

message: He's the 6th post-Communist Hungarian PM, but hardly the 6th overall Prime Minister of Hungary, as the template would seem to indicate. Biruitorul 23:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbering

message: I just received Hokizzczukka's letter, that the fletoka gyurcsanyi is resigned. He is totally K.O. on the wits.--Kutya gumi 15:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sniff!!

message: Sorry for disturbing with another thema. I would have a question about HU politics, but can't understand the language. In the I-Net dictionaries i have'nt seen the translation of the word "összetételében". Could anyone explain, what is that to mean in hungarian? And further: if the vokscentrum divides Antall-period into three and Medgyessy into two "összetételében"'s, then are those to be handeled as different governments with one and the same Prime Minister or are these just the usual government reshuffles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.35.135.40 (talk • contribs) 
"Összetételében" means approximately "regarding its decomposition"; if the word is used in reference to a government, then it's to say something like "and here's the list of people making up this government". There is no precise definition as to what makes a government "new", but as the political system in Hungary allows the PM to dismiss ministers and appoint new ones as many times as it pleases him/her, various cabinets under the same PM are generally not considered different governments. (Thus the Antall and Boross cabinets are usually referred to as two, except if someone says "Antall-Boross-kormány" to emphasise they are talking about both; whereas "Gyurcsány-kormány" generally refers to both the one before and the one after the latest general elections, unless someone says "első/második Gyurcsány-kormány" to emphasise they are talking about the first/second of these two periods only.) KissL 17:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I am new to wikipedia, so please take this comment with that in mind: I think that the following part is not true: "..making him the first Prime Minister to be re-elected since 1990.." since as he was elected only once. Could please somebody who has some skills with editing wikipedia pages maybe correct that ?
I've rephrased it a bit. KissL 19:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-elected? 

message: * Your source references "In an interview aired on TV2 during the 2006 parliamentary election campaign, Gyurcsány said that as a teenager, he "took part in confirmation for about two years" and even considered becoming a priest.[15]" How is it reference to "Gyurcsány has been tight-lipped on his religious affiliation, leading many to assume that he is an atheist."?--Beyond silence 12:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheist? 

message: I can't find many sources that would talk about him being allegedly expelled from the Apáczai, but this one does not suggest so. He seems to have had a conflict with the headmaster about having to learn a second foreign language, but ultimately chose to leave by himself, without pressure. I have actually never read anyone (other than Gyurcsány himself) claim he was expelled. KissL 09:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expelled? 

message: "From May 2003 until September 2004 he was a minister responsible for sports, youth and children. Under his office, Hungary has suffered a high-profile athletic doping scandal during the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens."
There is no justified connection between him and doping. I never heard about this speculation imputation, so I don't think you have any kind of reference - or you have? If no don't undo this! --Beyond silence 08:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under his office doping  

message: Specific description of the requested edit:
Delete this statements:
*Under his office, Hungary suffered a high-profile athletic doping scandal during the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens. (no reference to justify the connection with him)
*After his return to politics, Gyurcsány was at first tight-lipped on his religious affiliation, leading many to assume that he is an atheist (as can be expected from a former KISZ leader). 
(Referenced content don't justify about this this statement. The "as can be expected from a former KISZ leader" is an subjective opinion. Thanks --Beyond silence 23:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I see few attempts at consensus building on this page. Please try to resolve disputes then request unprotection. GDonato (talk) 13:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  editprotected 

message: Someone with an edit right please search for the link to University of Budapest and change it to Eötvös Loránd University. Thanks, Kuteni 19:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Renamed link

message: Added info on how communists used dynasty-building as a way to save stolen wealth and influence throughout the democratic transition and gain back rule a dozen years later. Gyurcsany's second and current marriage is such a prime example of this "social networking" tactic it's already written about in books discussing the modern age communist movements.
The bulgarian and russian ties of Gyurcsany and his works all point to the Kremlin's desire to reclaim Hungary into the eastern bloc, as re-emerging Russia constructs the belt of "satellite states" once again. Communists throughout eastern and central Europe are eager to assist and the same fate may await Slovakia. The rumanians and the polish are luckily to much russophobic to be tricked by the kremlin's servants. 91.82.243.75 (talk) 13:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the sentence "Klára Dobrev from a family of Communist politicians" a bit, since it was NPOV -  possibly libelous - and as far as I can see, she had one grandfather who was a party member. Emika22 (talk) 10:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanded the private life section. 

message: There are three unjustified statements here.
1) "his legitimacy is highly controversial"
Not true. As I corrected, his legitimacy is permanently questioned by his opposition. Distinction is important and very clear.
2) "expressed denial of his plans on social policy"
Not referenced. The video (in Hungarian) only proves that Gyurcsány denied planning certain measures in the 2006 campain. This cannot be a source to prove that actually he had that plan but denied having it.
3) "the only Prime Minister of Hungarian history..."
There is no source. The only reference here is Wikipedia itself which is not a source ever.
--peyerk (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Iohannesathanatos 

message: What does the above (last sentence in the article's second para) actually mean? The citation goes directly to a video, which doesn't help. I know the dictionary definition (to make relative) but it's not exactly in common usage; could someone please reword this to be clearer (and slightly less POV)? 86.143.51.126 (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Even though he's been trying to relativise this fact ever since"? 

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message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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