Talk:Northern Sámi

message: I'm not very good at editing but I stuck a link at the top of the page. I think it would be a good idea to put that instead of the video of Sámegiella speakers that is already there. The video I inserted I believe better represents traditional Sámi, as the other one has a LOT (I am aware there is differing opinions on this but) of what I consider kind of made up words like  that were just invented recently like a word for "technology" etc. This one also features more traditional Sámi culture which is a good insight to go along with the language page. There are subtitles available in Swedish Norwegian English and about 10 more. 98.3.103.238 (talk) 16:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  QUESTION 

message: Thought I'd make a note of this in discussion incase anyone had something to say.  Genitive and Accusative don't really diverge in personal pronouns, and generally in the literature concerning Sámi are treated separately.  As for Inessive-Elative, I haven't really seen that term used though it makes complete sense.  On the other hand, the literature I've got just refers to it as locative.  --Ryan 11:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronoun table changes 

message: How does a handwritten Ŧ look? How do you differentiate Ŧ and F in handwriting? Thanks! 85.176.188.161 (talk) 18:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt there are enough minimal pairs to create particular confusion. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ŧ 

message: This is a question to editors more familiar with the situation than myself: Is there any data on the language's present status among the younger generations? Is it generally being passed on to children, are there enough schools to ensure education in North Sami, etc. Is there a government effort to support the language? Trigaranus (talk) 16:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vibrancy / Decline 

message: I recently transcribed a Swedish-Sami book that appears to be in Northern Sami. It was out of scope for Swedish Wikisouce, so I duplicated the entire book at the common Wikisource site and placed the Sami part here.
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Peter Isotalo 20:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't really make much sense of it in this old orthography. Is there a modern version available, or could it perhaps be rewritten? CodeCat (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given that the book is from Sweden, this is likely old Lule Sami rather than Northern Sami; as might be suggested by e.g. åå for *oa (as in pååtedh 'to come'). In theory it could be also Ume Sami, for which several religious writings from the 17th century are known (but I can't seem to notice any positive characteristics of it just now, and at least mubbe 'second' is clearly a Northwestern Sami form). As far as I know, there are no written Northern Sami materials from before the 18th century. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 19:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I noticed a few instances of "uä" too, is that also consistent with Lule or Ume? CodeCat (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  On checking: per Korhonen this is actually southern Torne Sami, so within the modern perimeter of Northern Sami. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 18:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Sami text 

message: How is the cluster tk realised in Northern Sami? I've seen some hints that the first member may actually be a fricative, so ŧk, but I don't know if that's accurate for all dialects or even for any of them. If the first member is a stop in some dialects, is it still lengthened in the strong grade like in other consonant clusters? Rua (mew) 00:22, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I added info about this to the consonants section. ArcticSeeress (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cluster ''tk'' 

message: I found one source that gives, in passing without giving it any thought, the pronunciation of "olbmot mannet vuojadit geassit" as /olpmoh manneh vuojaðih keassiih(t)/. The intervocalic d of vuojadit is apparently transcribed with a fricative /ð/. Is this the normal pronunciation in this environment? I've never seen it mentioned in any sources beside this one (and this can hardly be considered a mention). Rua (mew) 21:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added this now. It only took six years, but better late than never. ArcticSeeress (talk) 23:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''d'' between unstressed vowels 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Kildin Sami orthography which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 15:03, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I would like to know which sources the user Rua uses when he states that -i, for example, is always the illative ending. This is obviosuly not always the case. An noun ending with a will have this letter removed and changed into -ii. A noun ending with -i will have it changed into -ái. I tried to put this information in the article, but had it removed. Also, -is is sometimes the locative ending (not always just -s). 83.226.235.204 (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see in the article, the table of endings gives a general overview of the endings, stating that the actual forms can differ in details. These details are not included in the table because 1. they'd just clutter up the table and make it less neat and 2. they're shown down below for actual nouns. The section "Post-stressed vowel alternations" deals with the changes in stem vowels and thus shouldn't be repeated in a general overview of the endings, again because it would add unnecessary clutter. Also, what makes you assume I'm male? Rua (mew) 22:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Sami noun cases 

message: ...and should be chopped up into smaller, more manageable bits. It takes forever to load on slow connections. For example, most of the grammar parts could be moved to Northern Sami grammar, much like we have Finnish grammar as a spin-off of the Finnish language article, etc. -Yupik (talk) 02:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the page is far too large. I'll think about creating a separate article on the grammar once I've verified everything here; I'd rather not move a whole bunch of unverified material onto a new page. ArcticSeeress (talk) 23:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is way too long... 

message: Why is the IPA transcription for 'davvisámigiella' '/ˈtav.viː.ˌsaː.me.ˌkie̯l.la/'? I originally added it as '[davvisaːmegie̯lla]' and then  corrected me. I'm not saying they're wrong, I just don't quite understand. Logan Sherwin (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just how it's pronounced, isn't it? Why is anything pronounced the way it is? Rua (mew) 20:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, for some reason I thought that in the current orthography 'd' always correspded to [d] and 'g' always corresponded to [g]. Now that I'm reading more about the orthography (and phonology) I understand. Sorry about that! :) Also, I'm kinda new to talk pages, and I'm not sure whether or not I delete this section now that the discussion topic it resolved. Should I? Logan Sherwin (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription for 'davvisámegiella'