Talk:Welsh nationalism

message: Very much a bare bones entry because this had been requested 2 years ago and was still not done.  Needs fleshing out pre-20th Century (Owain Glyndwr himself probably needs more mention), translations of the names of the two pre-Plaid organisations and any information adding about further organisations.  Google suggests there may be a Welsh Republican Army but then again it could just be a wannabe teenage Davyd with too much time on his hands.  Meibion Glyndwr have an active website it seems (but I doubt it's worksafe and I haven't delved into it).
* Done a bit more to it now!
Thanks very much for doing the work and having the first go on writing this article. The article is fine as a beginning, but I think that it does need some tidying up. Meibion Glyndwr were not involved in the bombings associated with the 1969 Investiture, they were associated with the names of two organisations - Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (also known as MAC) and the Free Wales Army (also known as the FWA). Meibion Glyndwr were associated with the burning of holiday homes from 1979 and through the 1980s. I will write this up soon. I also think we need to distinguish between political nationalism, which did not exist before the ninteenth century, and the revolts which occured between the conquest and the annexation of Wales, including that of Owain Glyn Dŵr. I'll see what I can do and whether you agree with me or not. But thanks for getting things going. Lyndafis 00:17, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old, unsectioned comments

message: Is there any need to keep this link? Their Wikipedia article was deleted as non-notable... --Telsa 16:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Gareth 23:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The 4IM link

message: Where to start?  The title I suppose.  Personally I can see why someone might want to create a article on Welsh self government - but that should be in addition to, not instead of, one on Welsh nationalism.  User:Mais oui! doesn't appear to have heard of the term 'cultural nationalism' which is used in Wales to distingush those for whom the nationalist movement is more about the Welsh language and identity than independence, self government or autonomy.
So my first proposal would be to split the two and have one on each. From here on I'll talk about the edits to the article on the basis that this is what we are going to do.  My comments therefore are about an article entitled Welsh nationalism.
We should retain the section about the rise of nationalism in the 19th Century.  Most similar articles trace the heritage of an ideology (see socialism and liberalism).
Polling evidence should stay in.  User:Mais oui! may not like it, but that is the factual explanation.  He's raised some objections about the methodology.  These have been addressed.  Let's move on.
I'm not going to pass comment on the edits to the Conquest and Annexation sections, since it's not really my area of interest.
Obviously the slightly newspeak edits expunging all references to 'nationalism' will be undone (come to Wales sometime User:Mais oui! - there are many people who happily carry that tag and doubtless do not appreciate you attempting to erase it from history).
And that's it.  Then, if you want to create an article on self-government you can (though I'd urge you to collaborate with someone who knows the topic, as your grasp is somewhat underdeveloped). 
Comments please - I intend to reverse User:Mais oui!'s unilateral changes in a couple of days. Normalmouth 21:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User:Mais oui!]]2

message: Does anyone think that History of Welsh nationalism would be a better title? Astrotrain 20:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Should this article include a note of Y Mab Darogan, in English The Destined Son who according to legend will recapture England for its true Celtic inhabitants.--Rhydd Meddwl 17:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Y Mab Darogan]]

message: "It is believed that such a move will strengthen our struggle for an independent Welsh republic."
This sounds like its straight off the web page of the group, so Im changing the 'our'Abertyllgoed 23:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mudiad Rhyddhad Cymru

message: It is my view that this article is incorrectly titled. This is an article about the political and cultural movemement of Welsh Nationalism, from its roots to the present day.  It was until recently known as Welsh Nationalism but has recently been changed.  Welsh Self-Government should concentrate on the governane of Wales and specifically the ongoing process of devolution.  If someone wishes to write such an article they may do so. In th meantime I am proposing to change this article back to its original title of Welsh Nationalism Normalmouth 09:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any views to the contrary I have now made the above change, reverting the article to its original title. Normalmouth 17:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. Wikipedia:Content forking is crystal clear in this matter. --Mais oui! 17:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm keen not to break any rules (see my discussions on my talk page) but I am clear that this article's title should be reverted to what has always been. Normalmouth 15:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: A new poll has been published in the Wales on Sunday newspaper, regarding attitudes to independence, so I have incorporated this in the opening paragraph alongside the BBC poll. Abertyllgoed 19:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Poll available 

message: What is the reason for having this article at Welsh self-government? To summarize:
*Reading the article, it is about "nationalism" and repeatedly refers to it. This is to be expected, as the article was originally at Welsh nationalism; since it was moved in February, there has been little substantial change to the article .
*Reviewing results at Google Scholar and the Proquest database of newspapers, magazines, and academic journals, "Welsh nationalism" is 20 times more common than "Welsh self-government" and, from reading further, it appears that "Welsh self-government" is a specific subset of "Welsh nationalism", which is properly included in this article if not sufficient to be forked, but it is not the historical term for the subject, and it is not the exclusive subject of this article.
The only remaining reason against the move is a general wish to have the names of these articles standardized, but that is not a reason to have this particular article at the incorrect name until, if ever, that happens. Rather than reverting, please explain why the article belongs at which title. —Centrx→talk • 16:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mh, fair enough. I was only against moving the article to a location in direct contradiction of the RM result, but together with this explanation, it seems fair enough to me. —Nightstallion (?) 05:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Centrx→talk • 22:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move between [[Welsh self-government]] and [[Welsh nationalism]] 

message: Hi guys, what do you think about renaming this article "Welsh Independence", I started to add to the empty independence article, then realised this is actually the page you wanna look at if you're interested in the welsh gaining independence. Ryan4314 (talk) 03:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion has been had, and it was decided to stick with Welsh nationalism. Please see above. And it should be an article describing the situation from an NPOV perspective. not just for those who are "interested in the welsh gaining independence". Reagards. Normalmouth (talk) 17:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't realise it had been had, I'll remove the "merge template" then. Ryan4314 (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh Independence Merge 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Walescw.jpg

message: The same list of quotes, the same editor, the same out of context use of material can be found at Anglophobia.  Looks like a few newpsaper articles have been culled to make a list which is being imposed on multiple articles.  --Snowded (talk) 09:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Surprised the reference there to the "Welsh regionalist party" hasn't been changed yet....!!!  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: .."Plaid do not describe themselves as nationalists".  Maybe not, but everybody else does.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked article 

message: I think much of the history section(s) may be better suited for the Welsh independence article. They mostly deal with the gradual loss of independence, rather than the building of a nationalist sentiment which this article is supposed to be about. I recently added to the history section myself, but this was before I realized there was a separate Welsh independence article (which has a pretty shakey history section, actually).--Cúchullain t/c 13:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: Can the editors tell me why we have a basic modern map outline of Wales attempting to show the Medieval kingdoms when, if you agree the Medieval period was between 800AD and 1300AD, the actual area would have been very different.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.207.84 (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pointless Map

message: A Template:Confusing tag has been added to this article. As the template's talkpage says: “This tag is useless unless ... it is accompanied by explanation of what is confusing and why. All it says is that someone, somewhere, didn't understand some part of the article, which could have any number of causes.” Please explain. Daicaregos (talk) 08:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As no-one has tried to explain why they added it, I suggest it be removed.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the 'improve' tag too. As all articles can be improved, it's redundant. Daicaregos (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drive-by tagging 

message: Other nationalist wikis like Canadian American and British nationalism all have a flag image “The Union Jack, in addition to being the flag of the United Kingdom, also serves as a common symbol used by British nationalists” or simply “the flag of the United States” we should add a welsh flag image to this wiki 2600:8801:1187:7F00:C9EF:DF28:E340:3E59 (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag