Talk:Jo Koy

message: I did some referenceing, and re-writting, but left the majority of the original in under "Addtional Info".  Guy M | Talk  22:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed entire section.  It was a cut and paste from here (copyrighted page).  Guy M | Talk  23:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Additional Info" 

message: Why would his ex wife and child’s info not be included? 2603:8080:7405:E848:4D6A:9D6C:5BEA:2FB0 (talk) 16:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mentions of previous wife or child 

message: Add Michael V, a famous Filipino comedian to the list of comedians who defended Jo Koy. 
https://www.facebook.com/BitoyStory/posts/pfbid037HB15UvZDyncNQhJkLqp7prDMqTpCcPcmbHbBfa6GTbpfUjvLKPKL4YFb4Q4TjX9l SimpleStickman (talk) 11:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Michael V. is notable, would you happen to have a secondary source that mentioned this? Sam Sailor 18:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2024 

message: 2024 Golden Globes: 400 hundred words on •one• hosting gig? You've got to be kidding! It wasn't that important. ; 16:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2024 Golden Globes section 

message: I substituted "Filipino mother" for "Filipina mother", but Fabrickator reverted my edit [Edit: Here's Fabricator's revert: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jo_Koy&diff=prev&oldid=1194372531] , justifying it by saying either is okay in his or her edit summary. If I'm saying the former is better, and he or she is saying either is okay, why revert my edit?
A mother is presumably female, so what is gained by saying the latter instead of the normal English former?
This article is not officially a Philippines related article, nor is it written in Filipino English, and therefore the MoS does not say it should be Filipina, and therefore "Filipino mother" is better, IMHO, being standard English. English does not have the Spanish "a" vs "o" for gender in words. We don't say "Americana" for female and "Americano" for male. We say "American man" and "American woman".
[Edit: Jo Koy is an American who allegedly has some Filipino ancestry. The Jo Koy article therefore not a Philippines-related article, and this is reflected in the fact that the article has not officially been categorized as such. And the [guidelines about Philippines-related articles] says "Filipina is used when referring to women, both as an adjective and as an adjectival noun. Examples: a Filipina poet, The company is run by a Filipina.
Filipino women is an expression that is mainly used outside the Philippines and should be avoided in Philippine-related articles; in Philippine English, standard usage is Filipinas, Filipina women or, more rarely, Philippine women. [bold font is mine]" N.B. There is nothing about avoiding it in other articles. If it was to be avoided generally, the MOS would say so, and this part of the MOS therefore carries the implication that "Filipino women" is preferred in non-Philippines-related articles.]
As I see it "Filipina", at best, is a slang word, or a foreign word used sometimes in English. Its use causes confusion, because if someone says "There were a total of ten Filipinos." the meaning is clear in standard, nongendered English. But if Filipinas exist, then the reader must wonder how many Filipinas there were in addition to those ten Filipinos.
By the way some Filipino women think "Filipina" is a derogatory term: https://josecarilloforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=265.0
[Edit: Inside the link above, you can see that "Filipina" has several meanings in addition to "female Filipino", which quite apart from being in some cases allegedly derogatory, make the use of the term "Filipina mother" in the article somewhat ambiguous and therefore less clear than "Filipino mother". The complete lack of any context (no information is given about the livelihood of this woman, nor is it clear who originally said that this woman was a "Filipina") makes this ambiguity a real problem.
Also, according Wictionary, "Filipina mother" could mean "A Filipino mother who is a female Philippine-born person of pure or majority Spanish descent." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Filipina#English. "Filipino mother" doesn't have this problem.] 
Polar Apposite (talk) 06:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Filipina mother" vs "Filipino mother".