Talk:Joachim (Star Trek)

message: <BR>I feel that this article could benefit from mention of some of Joachim's accomplishments. Drearwig17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Accomplishments

message: <BR>Joachim had a quite honorable death and deserves mention. Drearwig17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: This article is littered with non-npov, speculation, uncited assertions, and in general is just poorly written. It is entirely plot summary with no material at all related to the significance of this character. I tried doing some editing to clear the extraneous junk out until this thing can be nuked, but really removing the tangential, insignificant, and/or inappropriate material would leave...just his name. --EEMeltonIV 02:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete mess 

message: I am happy to say that the article has undergone a complete turn-around since the above comments were made.  It even passed an AfD debate.  Fuck, yeah!  Shaundakulbara 19:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Woot!  It wasn't deleted!  It's Miller Time! TenaciousT 00:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Version

message: EEMeltonIV, I find it frustrating that in the wake of your failed efforts to get this article deleted you have made extensive non-helpful edits.  In at least two areas you removed citations and then added the dreaded  tag to question material that was verified by the citations you removed. I respectfully request that you make edits more carefully and avoid  edits which might be construed as sabotage.  Thanks. Shaundakulbara 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your one to speak.. the extensive, non-helpful edits.. sabotage.. attempting to get pages deleted.. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You put one of those ref tags in a wrong place. I'm glad it's in a spot more useful. As for sabotage -- take a look at the vast majority of the tweaking I've done. While I appreciate the re-write you did to make this a better article, it still had bits of OR, synthesis and generally poor grammar. I don't mean to work at cross-purposes, and your suggestion that I am "sabotaging" it goes against the Wikipedia policy of assuming good faith. I'll also point out that I have consistently been using edit summaries to explain my changes, whereas you have not. --EEMeltonIV 03:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: One thing with the TV Guide quote is the subjective time references, e.g. "recently" and "today". Recently/today when? I think a paraphrase would be more apt. Additionally, the material under Description and Character history seem to repeat each other. They probably can and should be combined. Eh, but I'm going to bed now. --EEMeltonIV 04:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Frustrating

message: Does this book identify the TOS character as Khan's son and the TWOK character as the TOS character's son? --EEMeltonIV 13:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks. Is the article now accurate? --EEMeltonIV 19:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify - To Reign in Hell 

message: Chop the article down.  Take out two of the pictures.  Nominate a 3rd picture for deletion.  Why don't we just nominate the article for deletion again and have it done with?  Now that I understand how much the movie this guy appeared in really sucks I have a hard time caring.  I'd rather turn my attention elsewhere.  There are some more interested in winning petty battles than making improvements.  I'm not one of those. If I was I would have gloated when a few dozen articles MatthewFenton wanted to save were deleted because of my efforts.  Thanks. Shaundakulbara 02:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For my own part, if I were interested in going through AfD again, I'd've just let this article sit here -- however, your rewrite (thanks again) seemed to put it over the mark for establishing notability. However, even rewritten, it still needed improvements; my first edit summary after it failed AfD was along the lines of, "Well, if it's here to stay, might as well make it better." I can't speak to the picture being nominated for deletion; I don't remember noticing  before. If the presence or absence of pictures, however, makes or breaks the article, then it isn't a very good article is it? Fortunately, one could strip all the pictures from this article and still be left with enough information to be worthwhile. As for the article being shorter, it seems you're conflating conciseness for being unsubstantial. I'd contend that most of the notable information from your version is still in the most recent iteration -- perhaps phrased differently and more tightly and reorganized, but the meat is still there. And as for your copyright stuff with , I've got no idea what you're talking about; take it up with him on his talk page. Thank you, though, for not gloating -- but were you gloating about not gloating? :p --EEMeltonIV 02:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominate for Deletion

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