Talk:De Wallen

message: As of April 2010, this § contains only location information, essentially names of streets. Has this entry suffered from another "revert war"? 170.63.96.108 (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location, history, name 

message: Although the "human trafficking" part is good, wouldn't it fit better in Prostitution in the Netherlands and a smaller summary of that in this article. It just doesn't seems specific enough for de wallen, but more for prostitution in general Garion96 15:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. A lot of the Wikipedia articles on this subject are currently very POV towards attempting to give the impression that most of the window prostitutes in the Netherlands are controlled by pimps/human trafficking/organised crime gangs even though this claim is disputed by organisations such as the PIC. Indeed the whole point of having prostitution legal and regulated is to try and stamp out the exploitation of prostitutes by pimps. While noone is claiming that the problem has been completely eradicated the police do keep a very close watch on the RLD's and have never been able to establish that exploitation is taking place on the scale that some are claiming. 86.112.87.9 (talk) 22:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human trafficking 

message: Yeah, that's right. But I've read the rules of Wikipedia recently and I discovered I could have broken the 'original research' guideline. What I've done is I researched an internetsite (www.hookers.nl) where prostitution-clients write about their experiences with prostitutes. There's a lot of interesting information there. For instance about the age and nationality of the prostitutes. There's no report where you can find such information!!! By analyzing this site I have gained much more insight into the world of prostitution. I've also used the chatter done by prostitutes and clients on this site (including me). You know, I am a prostitute-client myself. But anyway, if you happen to speak Dutch and you research prostitution, visit www.hookers.nl. You can check things for yourself. I think I'll expand Prostitution in the Netherlands too. I'll be as neutral as possible. --Bruno Junqueira 23:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  True 

message: I’ve definitively broken the ‘no original research’-rule. I removed all the data about the ages and nationalities of prostitutes. I researched those myself. I also removed references to certain alleys. I obtained that data from what a prostitute told me.
All the data in my contribution to this article can now be verified. But.... I have to offer some additional notes. The Scharlaken Koord states that out of 439 Dutch window-prostitutes on the Wallen they had contact with in 2001, 380 indicated they were brought into prostitution by a loverboy. That’s not a fabrication created by a fundamentalist Christian organisation. This is confirmed by many other sources. A police officer named Manon Niemeijr has spoken with a lot of window-prostitutes in the ‘Spijkerkwartier’, a red-light district in Arnhem (source: ’Verlicht Kwartier, 40 jaar Arnhemse spijkerbuurt’ by Kees Crone). She confirms most Dutch women behind the windows were introduced into prostitution by a loverboy. And above all, I had the chance to ask two (former) window-prostitutes if this was true (original research!!!). They both confirmed it. But they stressed that most girls get rid of their pimp very early on in their career and only a few are still under the spell of a pimp. --Bruno Junqueira 09:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Original Research 

message: This article doesn't really talk about De Wallen as much as it seems to talk about pimps and human trafficking. Seems to me like these extra things are thrown in here to negatively color what might otherwise be a simple article about a famous place. 65.3.134.219 02:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: I came to this page to see what sorts of things Amsterdam has to offer, but am really disappointed to see a long article about the sex industry rather than the Red Light District itself. Most of it is irrelevant, and a lot seems uncited and inaccurate. For example - saying Banana Bar and Casa Rosso was shut down: I walked past both today and they were still very active. Does this article just need to be restarted from scratch? 194.171.56.13 (talk) 10:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy? about closing down live sex shows 

message: I believe there is a statue of a hooker on the University of Macquarie campus that was installed prior to 2007.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.153.171 (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First statue 

message: The "zipcode" (actually ZIP code, an acronym for Zone Improvement Program) is an Americanism. I suggest "postal code." Dick Kimball (talk) 14:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  City government actions of 2007/2008 

message: How many prostitution-windows is there in De Wallen now in 2010?
This article says approximately 300 at the beginning of the article,
but then it says 60 further down in the article.. So what is correct? Oppmann (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definitely less than 300 active windows now. Even 60 is probably an over estimate at this stage. There have been big changes in that part of town over the last few years. Most of the remaining windows are in a small area around Oudekerksplein and the narrow lanes (e.g.  Sint Annenstraat) nearby.89.242.194.4 (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of windows 

message: You need to stop removing sourced information from the article.
This UNODC report states clearly at page 63 that NL is a top destination for trafficking:http://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/HT-globalpatterns-en.pdf
The report reads:
"With reference to the citation index, ten countries in the Trafficking Database score very high as reported destinations for trafficked victims. Five of these countries are in Western Europe (in alphabetical order): Belgium, Germany, Greece, Italy and the Netherlands. Among Asian countries that score very high are Israel and Turkey (Western Asia and Turkey); Japan (Eastern Asia); Thailand (South-Eastern Asia). The other very highly reported destination country is the United States (North America)"2A02:2F0A:505F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:9F0F (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: NL isn't just a "potential destination" or a "destination" for trafficking as you have written (nearly all countries are), but it is a top destination:  the UNODC report classifies countries as scorring "very high"; "high"; "medium"; "low"; and "very low" as destinations. And NL is classified as "very high" - so I'm sorry, but you'll have to get used to it, and you need to stop attempting to slant the article by misrepresenting facts. 188.25.159.151 (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of sourced information by ip 213.46.146.247 and report by UNODC 

message: Section "Abuses and Human trafficking" reads:
:"It was suggested that 75% of Amsterdam's prostitutes are from Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia, according to an alleged former prostitute who produced a report about the sex trade.[17] However the author of the report, Patricia Perquin, was later revealed as journalist Valérie Lempereur who was not a sex worker and was employed as a publisher in Belgium during the time period she claimed to have worked in the RLD."
This is not correct. This report was made by former prostitute Karina Schaapman. The woman who falsely claimed to have been a prostitute is not the author of this report quoted here; she is another woman named Patricia Perquin - that was an entirely different case.2A02:2F0A:507F:FFFF:0:0:BC1A:B65E (talk) 08:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Abuses and Human trafficking" 

message: Perhaps it should be mentioned that some of the faculties and other buildings of the University of Amsterdam are also located in "De Wallen". For instance, the buildings on the "oudemanhuispoort" en "oude turfmarkt".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.251.32.157 (talk) 16:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Amsterdam 

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message: I noticed someone attempt to change the words "prostitution" to "sex work" on here and the revisions were taken down. It's important to stray from the word prostitution because it stigmatizes what sex work is. The term "prostitute" is filled with harmful bias that takes significance away from sex work and demonizes sex workers. These revisions should be re-implemented.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmabenyosef (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prostitution to Sex Work 

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message: 86.170.89.253 (talk) 12:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Daily Mail in not considered a WP:RELIABLE source on Wikipedia, and the article cited does not mention De Wallen. -- Polly Tunnel (talk) 13:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  All the UK tabloids seem to have carried the story over the past few days. Obviously this would be totally unconnected to Sarah Forsyth's book being re-published at the weekend. --John B123 (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't find any reliable news source from the Netherlands or police report about this murder in Amsterdam. Not sure if this story is real --Hannolans (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore the IP editor. He's a serial vandal. I would have reverted this if it hadn't pulled in a couple replies. TJRC (talk) 22:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6562675/Woman-relives-horrific-memories-abducted-19-sold-sex-slave-Amsterdam.html 

message: Why is the district referred to in the past tense throughout the article, and stated to have been "closed down" in 2020?
The district is very much still active, despite having been closed temporarily during the Covid-19 pandemic for safety reasons. The district has not been permanently closed down, and there are no plans I can find to make moves above and beyond increasing policing. Neither of the sources cited for the statement that it was closed down in 2020 mention any plans to do so beyond the temporary closures due to the pandemic, either.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.180.105 (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Tense and Claims of Closure 

message: hay 87.213.227.166 (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  hay