Talk:Mansi languages

message: Term coined by me. My source literature does not seem to have a name for this grouping. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 15:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Core Mansi" 

message: Much like with Khanty, Mansi is not a language: it is a dialect continuum of related languages. All sources discussing Mansi from a synchronic perspective focus on a particular dialect (perhaps most typically a Northern variety). Mansi as a whole is only ever treated as a historical entity.
It seems to me splitting the information into separate articles on 1) Mansi languages, 2) Northern Mansi, 3) Eastern Mansi, 4) Western Mansi, 5) Southern Mansi would be beneficial organizationally.
Compare the splitting of Nenets languages into separate bottom-level articles: Tundra Nenets language and Forest Nenets language. We also have split Komi language into Komi-Zyrian language, Komi-Permyak language and Komi-Yazva language despite that these three are still considered to be in only a dialectal relationship to each other.
Scholarly consensus on if the Mansi varieties comprise dialects or languages regardless does not seem to exist though. I'm aware of a very small number of papers explicitly arguing for a separate languages analysis, as well as a large implicit near-consensus (purely by inertia, without explicit arguments!) in favor of a multi-dialect analysis. We might need to pull a Chinese and describe each subgroup as simply a "variety" and leave discussion on the lang/'lect issues into the main article?
--Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 14:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @Tropylium I know this is 11 years old post (my goodness how time flies) but I think with the revival of the Mansi Category on the English Wiktionary, and proposal for splitting on there, it is time we tyr and revive this proposal. We might be better of putting this into the Wikipedia:Proposed article splits section so it can grab more eyes. Ewithu (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Ewithu (talk) 13:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Split proposal
 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have a hard time tracking the legitimacy of these names, on one hand I can't acces Hontis work, and any other source says otherwise. It was added by an IP number back in 3rd of june 2022. 
I'll be removing these terms until I am prooven otherwise, and maybe that IP number could say more then "Нормально" as in "Fine". Ewithu (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Smells of someone being confused about regular Northern Mansi as the one living dialect group vs. Southern Mansi as an extinct one. The extant documentation on the Vagilsk varieties is all roughly synchronous (from Kannisto's expeditions in the 1900s). --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 22:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Old" and "Modern" Mansi 

message: Hi @ValtteriLahti12, I can see you added the newest speaker number for Mansi (which is most likely the Northern) so I would say we should keep the speaker number at the appropriate page as in Northern Mansi language page. Or I'm opened to conversation about this :] Ewithu (talk) 18:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a typo with the numbers, however the census merely said "mansijskij" (Mansi), without giving more specific on which form it is. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true. I'll use this number in the other article as well, since the Northern is the only Mansi language still in use as of the latest data, approximatly the last Konda speaker died in 2018 too. Let's hope the next census brings in the distinction between the languages, if there are any more Eastern speakers. Ewithu (talk) 19:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Speakers of the Mansi languages 

message: In my opinion, displaying the native speaker count on the "families" page is redundant. It might as well be displayed only on the Northerns page because that's the only still extant language. This way we aren't just having the same number on two pages.
@Kepler-1229b I wanted this to be here as opposed to your users talk page, since this way more people could chime in as well. Ewithu (talk) 13:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair. Should I remove it? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It just produces extra maintenance work and the potential risk of the two pages getting out of sync if only one of them is updated. –Austronesier (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you @Austronesier for responding, wiki didn't give me a notification for this discussion haha Ewithu (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Native speakers