Talk:Terri Schiavo case/Archive 45

message: A lovely photograph of someone's schlong now adorns Terri Schiavo's wikipedia entry! Now, explicitness aside... we should make sure there's no copyright infringement here. : P
:Quite the case. I can't find a way to remove the... penis. -Chan Yin Keen | Talk 09:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected, it has disappeared already. -Chan Yin Keen | Talk 09:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandals!

message: In the "Palm Sunday Compromise," Florida Governor Jeb Bush is said to have "decided to obey the courts" when the linked story is that the decision was made only AFTER the FDLE met the resistance of local police. The attempt was made, it simply failed. Geminidomino 11:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hrm. Wrong story. Let me dig up the right link (if it hasn't been buried already). Disregard until then. Geminidomino 11:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Text doesn't agree with cite

message: I've been bold and archived everything on the talk page, as it had just become a big 132k pile of poop, and not particularly constructive poop at that.  If there were any burning issues that really should be here still, feel free to go into the latest archive and rescue them. Proto||type 11:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also got rid of the peer review box above, as the two reviews are already linked, and the failed FAC box, replacing it with a text link below the peer reviews. Too many boxes.  Proto||type 12:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm sure it was a very difficult process creating this article, for everyone involved. I just wanted to say that, from reading it now, it was well worth the effort. For such a difficult and controversial topic this is an outstanding article. Freddie deBoer 06:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: Of the hundreds on my watchlist this article is like the never ending edit. Of this I'm sure, this article has become a cause and darn if I'll let a "so" where there should be a "but".  If this article with its minutia is your cause well then have at it with all of your attention. It at least keeps you away from the rest of this project.  hydnjo talk 03:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh.  Terri Schiavo as a flypaper for the priority-challenged.  I like that notion.  ^_^  -Kasreyn 05:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: My dearest sir, you are so correct!  We are going to ramp this up slowly.  Terri Schiavo is not a movie star.  She is an issue about American jurisprudence and how wrong Congressional intervention is.  THAT is her notability.  If you think about it, she is just along for the ride. -- 70.231.192.59 22:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The perspecitve of this article should now <not?> change to the judges.  It is the politicians were who were the flies. They got swatted away, but she sticks to them, does she not?  Andrew William Morrow -- 70.231.192.59 22:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the never ending edit... 

message: Should we move medical info back in? (One sentence comments please)
Support
# This wouldn't be a wholescale revert to a month old version. Incremental changes, reductions, could still be in place. Marskell 10:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strawpoll (evil!) 

message: I have merged back per above vote. 
Ah, this unfortunate article... So it's 75K but adding back just 24 of the notes added 10k alone. The body of this is apx 45k, which isn't terrible. Given that I've done the mergeback I guess I'll be the one to pick through for inconsistencies that have cropped up and the notes and refs obviously need to be re-verified. Marskell 16:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mergeback 

message: I added a more objective way of describing Terri Schiavo. Certainly her being killed should be stated directly. I didn't write 'murder' because murder means the unlawful taking of life. Also the "feeding tube" portion in the second paragraph should more directly say that Terri was deprived of food.   
IamOne 09:30, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, your "more objective" way of describing was also rather poorly written.  As far as I know, "nutrition" is a noun, not a verb.  Perhaps you were thinking of "nourishing"?  -Kasreyn 02:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's not hide her death 

message: In response to this paragraph, User: 69.251.18.126 posted into the middle of the article the editorial comment that follows:
Beginning in 1998, Terri's husband and guardian Michael Schiavo petitioned the courts to remove the gastric feeding tube keeping Schiavo alive; Schiavo's parents Robert and Mary Schindler fought a series of legal battles opposing Michael. The courts consistently found that Schiavo was in a PVS and had made credible statements that she would not wish to be kept alive on a machine. By 2003, the matter, while still local to Florida, had received some national attention.
  	 	
: I doubt that the above statement is completely true. Because there is no such written evidence found till date that Terri Schivo had expressed that she would not wish to be kept alive on a machine. It was all that was said by Michael Schiavo. So I think that the true intentions of Terry Schiavo are still unknown. And that is why I oppose the way the world, we behave with Terry Schiavo. —This unsigned comment was added by 69.251.18.126 (talk • contribs) .
Sarah Ewart (Talk) 05:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial comment moved from article 

message: Does the wikilinking of almost every instance of a date seems excessive to anyone or is it just me?  hydnjo talk 04:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is pretty useless, but according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Date formatting, doing so allows user preferences to work. (Granted, it also has a section called Avoid overlinking dates). Generally, for dates with a day and a month, you should link for the benefit of people's date preferences. Dylan 21:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikilinking dates

message: I'm removing the :Category:George W. Bush administration controversies someone just added.  The case really never centered around the administration, despite their involvement; this is mostly clutter.  Superm401 - Talk 01:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GWB Cat 

message: Does anyone have a less POV source for Bobby Schindler's quote?  Also, can someone who is more familiar with the issue than me clarify that not everyone sees the autopsy result as ruling out bulimia or a heart attack?  Finally, I'm not yet familiar with the new citation style being used in most of this article, but someone who is should check the autospy section -- old-style citations, mixed in with the new, seem to be throwing off the numbering scheme.  --Allen 20:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A different source would be fine, but I don't think the quote is in dispute or inconsistent with his other statements.  As for the footnote system, it seems to be too difficult to insert new footnotes without throwing the system off.  I recommend that all footnotes be converted to the traditional method.  The more sources, the better, and we shouldn't delete citations simply because it throws off the numbering of old footnotes.--Mr j galt 20:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Schindler's book said that Terri had a strong heart since she lived so long without water. It should be easy to see dead heart muscle at autopsy, I would think. The strongest evidence for bulemia is, again I think, her lack of menstration. MartinGugino 06:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote at end of autopsy section 

message: Mr j galt, your new sentence, "Contrary to his assertion to the court, Michael Schiavo did not bring his wife home nor did he provide her with direct nursing care." seems like original research to me, and also a bit ambiguous.  According to WP:NOR, we cannot draw novel conclusions from even referenced facts.  In this case, the sentence would need to attribute to someone the idea that Michael Schiavo contradicted his own assertion.
Secondly, it seems to me that the word "assertion" doesn't make clear what Michael Schiavo said.  As far as I can tell, Schiavo was not asserting that he had brought Terri home, or even promising that he would, but rather was stating that he would like to bring her home.
--Allen 20:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will cite it to the Schiavo's new book.  He said "Because I enjoy it and I want to learn more how to take care of Terri.... I see myself hopefully finishing school and taking care of my wife. ... I want to bring my wife home. ... I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that."  "I am going to do that" is an assertion, not a desire.  If you can cite a source that Michael Schiavo did bring her home and care for her, let's put that in as well.--Mr j galt 20:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the ellipses indicate that material has been removed from the quote between "I want to bring my wife home" and "I am going to do that".  It sounds to me like "I am going to do that" refers to spending the rest of his life with her, not to bringing her home.  Also, does this book simply contain the quote itself, or does it contain the idea that the quote represents an unfulfilled promise that Michael would bring Terri home?  --Allen 20:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can call it a statement rather than an assertion if you like.  But Micheal Schiavo testified to the court that his motivation to become a nurse was "taking care of my wife" and "I want to bring my wife home."  He never brought her home, even though it was within his authority.  We will put the quote with what really happened and let the reader decide.--Mr j galt 20:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael taking Terri home 

message: The notion that Terri wanted a divorce is, I think, a relevant factor in the discussion.
Cited in the Shindler's book: A life That Matters ; last page of ch 4, (page 38) MartinGugino 03:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terri's wishes 

message: For me, the autopsy can describe the state of the brain, but how that relates to the state of the person is problematic. The Schindlers' attorney, Barbara Weller, thought that Terry understood her. I refer to the "I want to live" incident that Weller reported to the court, under oath. To my mind, Terry exhibited at least "artificial" intelligence, as defined by the Turing test, since Barbara was taken in by Terrys behavior. If Terry demonstrated artificial intelligence, then I think that it is more reasonable to say that she possessed real intelligence, and was aware. (MartinGugino 08:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious how "the state of the person" is problematic to you with a brain half the normal weight. You think she might have been able to cook breakfast but would have been confused over dinner? Marskell 21:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barb Weller 

message: This is a pathological condition. She was seeing a doctor about fertility. What did he say about this condition? There is no way he could have not dealt with it. MartinGugino 08:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall anything said about her being underweight, but there was some talk about her supposedly going on an Iced Tea diet or something similar; I honestly am not a specialist in this area of the Schiavo sage, but since I signed for you, I figured I'd show respect & take a stab at answering.GordonWatts 04:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not menstruating. 

message: Any objections to reducing the size of the reference section font? - RoyBoy 800 01:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference font size 

message: Shouldnt the article be titled Teresa Schaivo due to that being her real name? 69.19.14.34 07:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She was christened Theresa, not Teresa, and Theresa Schiavo already exists as a redirect to Terri Schiavo. AnnH ♫ 08:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The general rule is to use the version of the name most commonly used by the public, and redirect the others.  E.g. Madonna, Mother Teresa, Bob Dylan.  Ethan Mitchell 13:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change? 

message: I decided to offset the Schiavo I to IV sections with the emphasis that this was a period of struggle between Terri's parents and Michael, but that the struggle was at the family level and had not yet recieved any significant publicity.
Also: I think that Michael's malpractice suit belong's on Michael's page.  It did not "happen" to Terri at all.
I am going to inline the refernces today. It should have been done months ago. -- 64.175.42.18 19:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical info is still excessive 

message: I ran AndyZ's automatic peer review tool and add the results to the past (the third) peer review report. -- 64.175.40.143 09:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added automated peer review 

message: Shouldn't the of the husband, if he didn't want to take care of her, then give her into the hands of her parents? I have my opinions about those who are brain-dead, but she should've been the responsiblilty of the parents. --Yancyfry jr 06:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues 

message: One of these sections says that the doctors were getting a diagnosis that she was not in a vegatative state, while the other section says that she is in a vegatative state. Please correct this.
87.9.189.45 16:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About the 2 tagged sections on contradiction

message: Hi all,
I have promoted the article to the status of good article. I could not find any contradictions in the two tagged paragraphs. My only concern was with the sentence:
"However, there has never been any hard evidence that Schiavo had an eating disorder, and the low potassium could have been a spurious result caused by the intravascular administration of fluids during the attempt to resuscitate her."
No authoritative source for this statement was provided so I removed the "there has never been any hard evidence that Schiavo had an eating disorder" part (especially because this seemed to contradict early statements in the article). Upon reading the article in full I realised that this was the conclusion of Dr. Thogmartin who completed Schiavo's autoposy. My advice would be to note this point in that sentence otherwise readers will think it is editor speculation (until they get to the autopsy section which not all readers will necessarily read).
Cedars 02:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article promoted 

message: I was using this site as a reference in a paper. Now when I click on the Terry Schiavo site. It looks like it's been vandalized. How can the original information be put back? I need it for my citation paper page. Can this page be protected?
Please fix this. I am unable to.
Val
:It has been fixed. To see a good version, select history-the tab is on top-, and click on the date of the last good version.
Saros136 01:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, to fix it yourself, select the last good version, and then click edit this page on top. Click save. First put a comment in saying something like "revert", "rv", or "revert vandalism"
Saros136 01:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You can cite or bookmark a permanent version of this article by clicking on the "Permanent link" link in "Toolbox" box in the sidebar when the article is active. Cedars 01:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalized?