Talk:Clip (firearms)

message: I think someone is grumpy over non-gun fanatics and their sloppy unproffesional regard for things he hold for sacred, what with 30% of the article being a preventive correction. 
A clip can be defined as "a mechanical device for holding something and supplying it as needed", by the way. A fine description of a magazine I think. [unsigned]
:It can be, but it isn't.  Clip and magazine are two terms with very clear definitions that are not the same thing.  A fork and a spoon are both implements designed to facilitate the consumption of food, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. Deleuze 02:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006-07-26

message: Thanks for the recent revert, Squalla. The edit summary had the ring of good faith, but wow, those edits … that would require some defense here on the talk page. Lumbercutter 02:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007-01-16

message: With the huge rise of clip culture on the internet during 2006 the magazine word can no longer be considered the most notable use of the word clip, hence my creating the new title and redirecting clip to the disambiguation page. TV Genius 01:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New name for the article

message: According to Ian Hogg's Military Small Arms of the 20th Century (7th Ed., p.180), the French 1890 Berthier Calvary Carbine utilized a clip containing 3 rounds which was loaded into the magazine along with the ammunition. It was then ejected from the bottom of rifle after all rounds were expended. This is an en-bloc clip, not a stripper clip, and should be noted as such in this article.
The stripper clip or charger was apparently introduced on the 1889 Belgian Mauser. This is noted on page 174 of the same publication referenced above, as well as this link, which I referenced on the clip page itself. Incidentally, the 1889 Belgian Mauser was designed in Germany by Mauser (ostensibly under the supervision of Paul Mauser himself, though I have not yet been able to verify this), the Belgian government purchased a production license from Mauser, and the first rifle manufactured by Fabrique Nationale was in fact the 1889 Belgian Mauser.
It should also be noted that the French 1890 Bethier Calvary Carbine was introduced in the same year as the 1890 Mannlicher Calvary Carbine (upon which the M1895 Steyr-Mannlicher [sic] was based), thus it is difficult to tell which rifle was the origin of the en-bloc clip. If anyone has any more information, it would be appreciated. Until this can be confirmed, the line "The first rifle to use an en bloc design was the M1895 Steyr-Mannlicher." should be omitted from the article. Raygun 06:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical Origin of Stripper and En Bloc Clips

message: The "Moon clip" section seems to have enough info for its own stand-alone article.  Recommend we divide out that info, make a new article, and summarize it within the section here. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree.  They were combined for good reason.  The moon-clip article as written is just check full of information that's just fluff. It's a chunk of metal with holes or notches in it.  Wartime expedient with minor advantages for competition shooters, major disadvantages for police and self-defense in general. You say, "Moon clips were designed to allow rimless cartridges to eject in revolver. The M1917 was the most used example, though there are a few more.  You make it from steel and it's faster than speedloaders", and that's all the unique information there is, really.  Everything else is fluff.  Please, fluff up this article instead. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 17:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to counter by pointing out that it does have three references (not amazing, but better than a lot of articles) including the original patent.  Plus the list of moon clip revos really doesn't belong in the main article, though it's not too bad if it's just in a Moon clip article.  Didn't mean to be difficult by making it a fait accompli, I just figured it seemed pretty self-evident to move the content.  MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not for the list at all.  I'm pretty sure WP guidelines dicourage such lists.  At any rate, the article was redirected to this article before and I believe there was a consensus there.  I'd say that you'd have to build a stronger consensus to resplit it and, perhaps, tag this article for a while first?  I recognize you were being bold and it really doesn't hurt anything, but there were surely valid reasons to include an ammunition clip in an ammunition clip article, don't you think?  Sounds logical to me. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read up on WP:LISTS, and the particular kind in Moon clip doesn't seem to be the "to be avoided" kind, like the "Trivia" or "In popular culture" sections WP hates.  I think it it somewhat pertinent, in that those revolvers are pretty much defined by their usage of moonclips.  I.e. using moonclips is what makes the S&W 940 distinct from many other S&W J-frame snubs.  I did check Discussion, etc. and there didn't seem to me any real debate on it here.  What with the utility of having good pics of Moon clip, a list of firearms that are basically defined by mc usage, and the fact that there is actually some interesting historical content about how moonclips came to be, I figured it article-worthy.  It is indeed still covered in the ammo clip article, but now (like the other subjects in that article) has a blurb in the parent article, and a "see main article Moon clip" for more info.  I'm feeling reasonably good about it overall. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Your feeling good about it does not constitute a consensus.  I'd like to hear what others have to say as this is obviously not something we agree on. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 01:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest making "Moon clip" its own article

message: If "Most weapons that use clips, such as the M1 Garand as seen above, utilize the clip by loading it directly into the firearm." was rewritten to "Some weapons that use clips, such as the M1 Garand as seen above, utilize the clip by loading it directly into the firearm." resolve the debate? This statement is correct.
If no one objects I'll make the switch but am really interested in opposing views because I believe there is better version. Thanks 66.189.84.45 (talk) 15:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise?  

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