Talk:Penmanship

message: I'm concerned about the information about the books that have been used in North America.  For one, if we are to include it, shouldn't it get a section of its own further down, seeing how it is not so important as to be part of a general description of penmanship in the first paragraph?  Secondly, should it even be included?  It is rather narrowly focused compared to the rest of the article and I don't feel like it gives much in the way of useful information to the average (in my very humble opinion).  And furthermore, the only citation given doesn't seem to provide any support for the information it is supposed to support!AliaGemma 03:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book Information 

message: i've got this image of fast, untidy handwriting. large in size- must be around 2000 x 2000 pixels.. is it needed for this. thanks.. Wildpixs 14:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: image

message: I can't figure out how to add citations to material I added, or how to do other corrections to a "protected article." Kate Gladstone - http://learn.to/handwrite 15:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't, you wait for it to be unprotected.  But the attached page isn't protected. Cbrown1023 talk 16:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: You can read up on citations here:Wikipedia:Citing_sources. Of particular interest would probably be Wikipedia:Footnotes. Hope that helps. If you have any further questions feel free to ask me on my talk page! Camann•TALK 16:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help me

message: well, like i said i think your handwriting is one of the things that makes you, well you  and i enjoy writing quite a bit  so i hoped you like my entry so thanks for reading  
:>  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.105.119 (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  penmanship 

message: Sorry people, I am not familiar with your Wiki protocols but someone who can fix the mess should know that the Penmanship page (at 3rd February 2009) has serious problems. Specifically, under the "Books used in North America" heading, after the bit that goes: Gaskell's Complete Compendium of Elegant...." there is a whole section missing. I didn't do it (the mess) I just visited the page to read about Penmanship. I had to go to a Russian website to read the original missing part which goes: 
"....Writing" and "The Penman's Hand-Book" (1883). 
Starting at the beginning of the 20th century, Zaner-Bloser Script and the Palmer Method, introduced by Charles Paxton Zaner (15 February 1864 - 1 December 1918) and Elmer Ward Bloser (6 November 1865 - 1929) of the Zanerian Business College and A. N. Palmer in his "Palmer's Guide to Business Writing", published in 1894, became the dominant copybooks in North America. Fact|date=February 2007 The A. N. Palmer Company finally folded in the early 1980s — Zaner-Bloser continues, and accounts for roughly 40% of handwriting textbook sales in the USA. Fact|date=February 2007 
New scripts include D'Nealian Script and Getty-Dubay — both published in 1976. D'Nealian (named after its inventor, Donald Neal Thurber) uses a slanted, serifed manuscript form followed by an entirely joined and looped cursive of the typical American variety. Getty-Dubay (named after its inventors, Barbara Getty and...." .
I sure hope one of you guys can fix the mess. By the way, the people who object to the title "Penmanship" should realize that this is a historical term. The people of the previous two centuries fully understood the nuances of the term, and as the major forms such as Spencerian and Palmer styles are practically extinct, except to those of us who make it our job to learn and revivify them, to rename this lost art in the present era smacks of a revisionist arrogance. 
Signed, Snozzle (who did not create account but just wanted to report a messed up page). Bye now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.213.85 (talk) 09:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixedjonathon (talk) 21:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  report of page errors 

message: Does wikipedia have an article on handwriting / marking symbols.
:e.g.
* awk. (awkward)
* cap. (capitalization)
* ref (reference)
* w/ ("with)
* w/o (without)
--75.154.186.241 (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marking 

message: Right now, apart from a small amount of lead-in material, this article is focussed entirely on penmanship in the US. It'd be really great if it could be expanded with discussion of handwriting styles from the rest of the world (which are often quite different; anecdotally, you can easily spot someone who grew up in the US from their penmanship, not that I have a citation for this assertion) to improve the encyclopedic nature of the article. Note that I'm not suggesting that the US-centric material be removed! Far from it. I'd just like to be able to compare the styles and history of the topic across a wider scope. —Donal Fellows (talk) 20:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be better now. rem. tag. Lexlex (talk) 17:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is currently too US-centric 

message: Does anyone think this tidbit of information deserve section of its own? Does Forgery relate to the topic enough to even mention it? I’d like to suggest removing it completely. — 15.195.201.88 (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. --GRH1087 (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgery 

message: I think handwriting is an ART how you show that your handwriting is good. it can be many method
but the main goal is to communicate with people in written way  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.224.10.252 (talk) 13:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  good  handwriting 

message: There are some serious errors in the section covering Chinese handwriting. The article confuses character forms (Simplified Chinese characters vs Traditional Chinese characters) and styles of scripts (Kaishu, Xingshu and Caoshu). All subsequent discussions on simplified characters are also irrelevant.  It is also wrong in calling all three styles cursive: Kaishu is standard, Xingshu is semi-cursive, and Caoshu fully cursive. The same type of mistakes are made in the schools of east section. 
I suspect a similar error in the paragraph covering Japanese handwriting.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.132.92 (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors in the eastern handwriting section 

message: What about penmanship in countries that still use the Cyrillic alphabet? Does anyone know if there is a cursive Cyrillic? Ileanadu (talk) 10:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Russian cursive is one example of cursive Cyrillic. I've tagged for globalization since this article is quite incomplete, and re-titled the "Western handwriting" section to "Handwriting based on Latin script" since it applies to writing systems that use the Latin alphabet. Cyrillic-based script (Russian, Turkic, etc.) should have its own section too. The method of handwriting and styles for other scripts such as Arabic script, Brahmic-based abugida scripts, Greek, Caucasian scripts (Armenian, Georgian), Native American scripts, and more, should also be mentioned. 68.101.102.227 (talk) 06:41, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrillic Penmanship 

message: I found a treasure trove of phrases in other languages that describe poor handwriting in versions of "chicken scratch," that is to say, referencing bird's feet. It might make a nice addition to this page. It's already in a chart, and for someone who is more savvy than me, the relevent lines of the chart could simply be pasted over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me
Hope this is a fun discovery for some of you! By the way, if you search for "chicken scratch" the disambig page takes you here! --Petrichori (talk) 04:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken scratch