Talk:Adrian Boult

message: The article says that Boult gave the British premiere of Mahler's fifth symphony. However, Symphony No. 5 (Mahler) says that Heinz Unger gave that premiere - my source for this info is Kenneth Thompson's A Dictionary of 20th Century Composers (published in the mid 1970s, if memory serves) - if somebody knows better and can say for sure that Bould really did give the premiere, then the article on the symphony needs to be changed as well as this article. --Camembert
:I don't think the article says that Sir Adrian conducted the British première of Mahler's 5th. The 3rd, certainly - which is documented in Kennedy. Tim riley 23:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mahler

message: I found a transcript of a lecture by Richard Witts which talks about the Thomas Russell affair, at this link: http://www.witts.me.uk/pdf/Boult__Russell.pdf
I have not included this yet in the Boult wikipedia article, as an external link, partly because it has not been published in any formal journal that I can see, but also because some of Witts' comments about Boult are at best snarky, at worst possibly libelous.  In fact, in a pdf from the Institute for Historical Research (London), Witts makes no bones about his thinking in the title of the talk there: http://www.history.ac.uk/annual/annrep01_02.pdf
"Richard Witts: 'Adrian Boult, witchfinder general: musical McCarthyism in post-war Britain'".  To me, the irony is that in accusing Boult of Joseph McCarthy-like slander, Witts himself seems to be using the same "character assassination" tactics in some of his comments on Boult, even if it's more "personal" than "political".  So, to include or not to include?  Thanks, DJRafe 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't libel the dead (as I understand the law), but whatever care needs to be taken not to give the criticisms undue weight.  David Underdown 10:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on Lecture on Boult & Thomas Russell

message: I think I read somewhere that Horenstein had been scheduled to do the Everest Mahler 1 session (& perhaps others too) in 1958 but got sick, and Boult came in to cover for him, which accounts for the unusual Boult recorded repertory of Hindemith, Shostakovich, & Mahler. Can anyone confirm this? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 01:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boult & Horenstein? 

message: As we are allowed only one under WP fair use rules I thought the colour photograph familiar from the cover of Sir Adrian's memoirs and the associated EMI recording was more suitable than the black and white photo with the NBC logo with which Sir Adrian is not normally associated. But happy to go along with the majority. This article is at PR. Comments invited. Reverted to the colour image, pro tem. - Tim riley (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boult photo 

message: Thanks to Parrot for suggestions just before FAC discussionwas closed. Comments here:
*He was recruited by the War Office as a translator (he spoke good French, German and Italian)" - when was this - before/during/after 1916? Also, is "fluent" a more descriptive word than "good", or would that be over-egging it a bit?
**It would, rather. Sir Adrian recalled in his memoirs that his reasonably convincing accent was let down after a couple of sentences or so by his faulty grammar. "Good" is there or thereabouts, I think.
*"some of which were subsidised by his father, with the aims of giving work to orchestral players and bringing music to a wider audience" - was this his father's aim, or Boult's aim?
**Both, but Boult's principally. Suggestions for better phrasing gratefully received. 
*"In 1918 he gave a series of concerts with the London Symphony Orchestra, which included important recent British works" - the concerts included important works, not the London Symphony Orchestra.
**Hmm. OK - amended.
*"Just before the Armistice, Gustav Holst burst into my office:" - this quote might benefit from being not in the prose, but in a quote box - check out Template:Quote box3. You can see how it works in, for example, Dick Turpin. Your choice though, just a suggestion. Right now it isn't obvious who gave the quote.
**I've had a go at quotes, but will investigate your suggestion further. Looks good in the DT article.
***Later: have cribbed the Turpin quote box and used in this article. I like it. I wonder if others agree? Tim riley (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further improvements after FA promotion 

message: Having just started the article Ditchling Unitarian Chapel, I found that Boult was married there in 1933.  The source—the History page of the chapel's own website—is of moderate usereliability; I'll look for a better one.  Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: Would anyone object if I separated footnotes from references? That is, discursive comment from plain source citations? Tim riley (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes and references 

message: An editor recently added this (uncited) statement:
:In 1944 he conducted the premiere of Nikolai Medtner's Piano Concerto No. 3 in E minor "Ballade" at the Royal Albert Hall, with the composer as soloist.
I added this hidden comment, which an editor has removed without explanation: "Is this really notable in the context of the large number of premieres Boult gave?" 
Grateful for comments on whether to leave or remove the sentence.  Tim riley (talk) 07:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medtner 

message: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra (Bartók) (which redirects to Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion) says it was premiered in New York by the composer and Ditta Pásztory-Bartók with the New York Philharmonic under Fritz Reiner.  Here we're saying Adrian Boult was the conductor, and presumably somewhere in London.  They can't both be right.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true, but we have a citation here, and the Sonata article hasn't. I'll leave as it is pro tem, and inquire further into the matter. Tim riley (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

text: (e/c) Grove says first performance "L. Kentner, I. Kabos, cond. A. Boult, London, 14 Nov 1942". BencherliteTalk 13:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonata article now corrected. Tim riley (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  All good.  Thanks.  I've also added the details to Ilona Kabos's article.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bartok Concerto for 2 Pianos

message: This entry on Sir Adrian Boult should most certainly mention that, in 1984, the year after his death, a memorial stone in his honour was installed in the north choir aisle of Westminster Abbey. It reads "1889 Adrian Cedric Boult CH Conductor 1983." This great memorial to Boult serves as his grave. For Sir Adrian actually willed his body to science. A photograph of Boult's memorial stone can be seen in Westminster Abbey's website (www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/people/sir-adrian-boult).
: Please always sign your posts by adding 4 tildes (~) at the end.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 23:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Boult's Memorial in Westminster Abbey

message: Surely "Peter Hepworth" should be "Peter Heyworth", as in this Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Heyworth
85.210.157.28 (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It should indeed. The article is signed simply "P.H.", and my faulty memory caused me to expand this into Peter Hepworth rather than Peter Heyworth. I'll amend forthwith. Many thanks for spotting this error. Tim riley talk  16:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicianship and Notes [85] 

message: Why is it unimportant to mention that Adrian Boult was the president of the Modern Symphony Orchestra for two decades and conducted it several times? The Modern SO is a notable English orchestra which performed several world and English premieres. So why is that irrelevant for the article? Best, Tobias 
:This obscure position is not mentioned in the 342-page Kennedy biography of Boult, nor in Grove, nor in the ODNB, and in my view has no place in an encyclopedia article that tries to summarise Sir Adrian's life and career into 5,000 or so words. We must stick to the essentials. Your new article on the orchestra looks very worthwhile, and I'll look in and Wikify punctuation etc when I have time. Tim riley talk  14:56, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tim here. An honorary position with an amateur symphony orchestra is not really something that deserves mentioning in a summary of his life and career, especially if it doesn't even get mentioned in much more detailed accounts about him. Put another way, he is important to the orchestra but not vice versa. BencherliteTalk 15:05, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Symphony Orchestra 

message: Can I propose that in 'Bibliography' the word (autobiography) be inserted after My Own Trumpet. London: Hamish Hamilton, otherwise some people may think it is a brass manual? Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The crashing noise you may have just heard was me falling off my chair laughing. I shall at once do as you suggest. Tim riley talk  21:13, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blowing Trumpets 

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