Talk:Bank engine

message: "is a railway locomotive attached to a train that does not have enough tractive effort to climb a steep but short gradient, also called a bank." --Can someone translate this into English? o_O – ∅ (∅), 13:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translate

message: Would it be proper English to say that a locomotive "banks" a train? If not, what would be the proper verb? "push" sounds a bit too generic... (in German there is a distinction between "stossen" ("push") and "schieben" (??), which makes it sound wrong to me to use "push" in this context) --Kabelleger (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct in UK rail terminology (and also I assume by extension, Australian and some other Commonwealth countries).  However as ever there are many rail terminology differences around the English-speaking world and our cousins on the west side of the Atlantic will no doubt say something different! BaseTurnComplete (talk) 20:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding terminology  

message: What's up with these weird percent marks? 28%o or 60%o, like "percent" but with thousands instead of hundreds. It's extremely counter-intuitive. I'm going to go ahead and replace them with the standard percentage values (i.e. 2.8% and 6.0%)... if there's a reason for NOT doing this, feel free to post it here. --- 68.90.45.10 (talk) 12:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned in connection with other edits of yours elsewhere, please don't change information in articles arbitrarily just because you don't happen to understand it. Per mil is used in a number of countries (e.g. Japan) for indicating railway gradients. --DAJF (talk) 12:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider me schooled on Japanese gradient conventions; I will not replace any per mil marks on further Japanese articles. HOWEVER, Gradients in the USA, Canada, UK and Australia are indeed expressed in PERCENT. The correct nomenclature for these countries, as cited in this article, is percent. And, since this is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, and since the cited examples in this article are overwhelmingly US/Can/UK/Aus prototypes, interarticle consistency dictates that the whole thing be written in Percent, not Per mil. --- 68.90.45.10 (talk) 13:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

text: In Europe it is common to express gradients for roads in percent, while gradients for railways are expressed in per mil. I guess that's because gradients for railways are often in the sub-percent range, and it's easier to read and write 8 ‰ than 0.8 % e.g. on grade indication signs. This probabily applies to many other countries as well. So the real question is: Do we use railway terminology or "ordinary people" terminology? --Kabelleger (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, right. But in the UK, Australia, and North America, railway grades are typically expressed in decimal percent. Since this is the English Wikipedia, that convention should hold, although articles specifically detailing Central European/Japanese prototypes can of course use the "proper" terminology.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.45.10 (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Careful!  It is standard in theUK to refer to railway grades as 1 in n fractions, not percent.  10% being 1 in 10, 5% being 1 in 20 etc.   % in gradients is used for roads only in the UK, and that is a recent phenomenon too. 84.13.203.148 (talk) 22:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Kabelleger gets to the crux of the matter. It is a general question that recurs often on Wikipedia with respect to many particular cases. "Do we use specialist terminology or 'ordinary people' terminology?" The best answer that seems to keep organically evolving again and again is that we have our cake and eat it too by having some place where we explain to laypersons what the terms mean, and then linking to that place from anywhere else that the need arises. So in this case, what it would look like is that at the first occurrence on any railroading page of the per mil symbol, (‰), you pipe link it to the per mil article, plus or minus giving a one-line explanation to the effect that "in railroading, grades are often less than 1 percent and are often expressed per mil." Thereafter, anyone who might otherwise have asked, "What's that funny-looking symbol?" never has to bother, because they find out without having to ask anyone. Cheers all, — ¾-10 03:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you just need to work out how to apply it to the lede! EdJogg (talk) 08:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well right now the page refers to Usui Pass in per mil (as used in Japan) and Tehachapi Loop in percent (as used in the US). I'm perfectly fine with that, too. Although if some Europhile comes on insisting that *everything* must be expressed in per mil, I'll be back to fix it. :) 68.90.45.10 (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomenclature

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