Talk:Warlpiri people

message: The song is called "Down at Mission Creek where the Tjakargerries grow" . Does anyone know where to find a copy of this song?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.221.147 (talk) 01:03, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song about Mission(Yaloogarrie) Creek

message: I've never heard this thing about 'long grasses', can anyone confirm that this is correct? And I think the history of contact with the Warlpiri is pretty clear, by 1980 all Warlpiri were living in communities. And I doubt there are any that don't speak 'a word of English'--even the oldest people would have at least some English. Dougg 10:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Long grassers

message: A lot of items in this article seem suspicious to me, but I'm not confident enough to correct it.  I wish a few more people would come in and contribute.
In the language section, for example: I thought Warlpiri had clear relationships and partial mutual intelligibility with Warumungu and Warlmanpa.  I hadn't heard about similarity to Luritja.  And the story about this "causing confusion" seems a bit incoherent.  More work, please.  ACW 16:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: •You're right, there's some peculiar things in there--a lot of work needed. While I'm not a Warlpiri specialist (more Western Desert) I'll get out my references and try to fix it up as soon as I have some time. You're right that Warlpiri is more closely related to Warlmanpa and Warumungu than to Luritja, but they're all distinct languages so not mutually intelligible, although that's somewhat confused because of widespread bilingualism. Dougg 06:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More eyes needed 

message: :"The Warlpiri people are often described as "long grasses" by other Central Australian Aboriginal people, due to the fact that they were amongst the last groups of traditional aboriginal peoples to be brought in to white society. Stories are that some "long grass" Warlpiri did not meet whites until as late as 1980. Many Warlpiri, unlike people from other aboriginal language and community groups, do not speak even a word of English. 
:Many Warlpiri people to this day live out in the bush, using the various communities as a base only, and they live more traditionally than perhaps any other aboriginal people."
This section had been removed from the article - its usual to move removed sections of articles to the talk page. Cfitzart 06:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, sorry, I didn't know that. I thought the fact that previous versions of articles are available through the 'Page history' was enough, but I'll remember to do this in future. Dougg 03:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed section 

message: I added a fairly extensive section about the Warlpiri kinship/subsection system.  I feel like I didn't quite nail it, and I might worry at it a bit more in the near future.  More eyes are, of course, very welcome.
What I somehow didn't manage to say is that in traditional Warlpiri culture, it's really subsections that are considered primary, not actual family relationships.  You can argue that the Warlpiri word that's usually translated "brother" doesn't really mean "brother", but rather means "another male in the my subsection".  All one's actual brothers will of course be classificatory brothers, but Warlpiris don't assign great importance to the distinction.  See?  I'm still having trouble saying it.  Anyway, I might whack at it a little more; please do likewise. ACW 03:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinship 

message: Somebody please look up proper bibliographic cites for Meggitt's Desert People and Bell's (?) Daughters of the Dreaming.  It's getting a little embarrassing typing all this stuff in as if we're pulling it out of our rears.  ACW 03:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I did this a few days ago. ACW 22:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I worked out the kinship relations using the rules given and there appear to be two false statements in the text.
# First, it's claimed that the proper subsection of the spouse is one's maternal grandmother.  But in fact that should read paternal grandmother.  It's easy to prove the current statement is incorrect:  You are in the same matrimoiety as your mother, and the opposite one as your father, so father & mother (ie spouses) must be in different matrimoieties.  But your grandmother is the same matrimoiety as you, hence you could not marry someone from that subsection.
# The other error is the statement that some 1st cousins are marriageable -- namely your father's sister's kid, or your mother's brother's kid.  This doesn't seem to work out:  Suppose it did, and consider a daughter X of a couple who were such cousins (XM and XF).  XM's mother's brother's son is XF, her husband.  So X's maternal grandmother (XMM) is a sibling of X's paternal grandfather (XFF), therefore they (XMM & XFF) must be in the same subsection.  But from the rules one is clearly in the same subsection as one's paternal grandfather.  Hence X is in the same subsection as XFF.  But that's just the what I disproved in #1.
I'm not familiar with the actual Warlpiri customs, so does anyone know which is wrong -- these 2 facts, or the basic kinship rules given?  Or did I make a mistake somewhere?
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Also, it would be good to add a graphical representation of the inheritance.  A 2-column, 4-row grid of subsections does this.  The basic rules are then:
* One is always in the same row as one's father, and the same column as one's mother.
* If you're in the left row, you're directly above your mother; in the right row, and you're directly below your mother.
From these rules, the only marriages allowed are between subsections situated on the same rising (lower-left to upper-right) diagonal line.
I'd put something like this in if folks verify that #1 & #2 above are really errors.
--Damgo 01:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors with kinship system?

message: I found the description fairly hard to understand so I've added a table which I think shows the interrelationships of the different subsections as described.  I still can't say I quite understand the system though.  ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 06:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinship table 

message: Although there seems to be a lot of conjecture about a certain intimate greeting performed by men of the "Walibri tribe," I haven;t come across anything close to a reliable reference stating that members of this tribe shake members. Read more about this unexplained penis story on the many Google results.--OrinR (talk) 08:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unusual Greeting 

message: This should probably be a disambiguation page since "Warlpiri" can refer to the people and their language (by analogy with other such ambiguities; see Finnish). --N-k (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page 

message: Bullet point in Famous Warlpiri section: "Dorothy Napangardi, Highly respected female artist (Deceased, 2013)." Is this characterization necessary? I don't see Liam Patrick described as a "Highly respected Australian rules footballer..." Not sure if it is appropriate to remove.
Lily.r.s (talk) 23:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Warlpiri