Talk:Castle Rock (Stephen King)

message: Do we need this very incomplete list ? -- Beardo 06:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residents 

message: (In Needful Things, we are told he died two years after the events of the story. However, he, or a character with the same name, appear in Lisey's Story, which takes place in 2006.)
Could it be possible that Andy Clutterbuck did die two years after the events of needful things (1990 something) and then the same character (who once again died) was in Lisey's story in 2006 (alive and well)?
The answer is yes.  Is the Castlerock in needful things the same exact castle rock as the one in Lisey's story or perhaps could it be  a parallel castlerock?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.73.217 (talk) 04:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do you really want to use this? 

message: This link: 
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=bangor,+me&daddr=Castle+Rock,+Sagadahoc,+Maine&hl=en&geocode=;FUmxnQIdL9DX-ylRUeC3_JqtTDESMH_9blqQYA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=44.379433,-69.211724&sspn=1.586156,2.469177&ie=UTF8&ll=44.363133,-69.279785&spn=1.586582,2.469177&z=9&layer=c&pw=2
Shows 'Castle Rock, ME' the exact distance away from Bangor that it is mentioned as being in 'Mrs. Todd's Shortcut' from 'Skeleton Crew.' That can't be a coincidence, can it?!? (It showed it as being 79 miles the first time but its saying 110 subsequent times, still within the distance of the various routes mentioned by Ophelia Todd in the story.)  --216.17.75.89 (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Maps joke?! 

message: The notice on this page clearly says: To discuss the merger, please use this talk page..  Yet all the action so far is off-piste at Talk:Castle Rock (TV series)#Alan Pangborn.
* @: You were the first merge proposer at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Pangborn and I personally therefore believe have primary moral responsibility for ensuring a proper attributed merge per e.g. WP:MERGETEXT is done unless you agree to delegate or consensus agrees another performer.  Also I am strongly of the opinion 'merge' means 'merge' and not 'redirect'.
* Pinging other merge !voters: 
* Pinging Keep !voters and closer 
* Pragmatically AfD can be a poor place to discuss good merges and if consensus can be reached between merge peoples from the AfD with no significant dissent as to the particular merge from the keep !votes that a different target is appropriate it may be possible to proceed without doing a formal Wikipedia:MERGEPROP.
* My opinion is if an adequate merge cannot be agreed and actioned by the merge !voters of the process the article should be kept or brought to WP:DRV if anyone feels appropriate.  Please get this sorted and keep some momentum on it.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: * @. Simples:  Some merge !voter or elseone get the merge done properly with rightful attributions.  Seeing a discussion started on the wrong page with controversial merge being backed out seems like a problem to me.  you have the required WP:COMPETENCY for example.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *Merge was done while completely ignoring the clear-as-day AFD result, and merger edit-warred over the content.* Fixed the above reply for you. See the discussion at Talk:Castle Rock (TV series)#Alan Pangborn. -- /Alex/21 12:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *Frankly, as long as  Alan Pangborn  is redirected to a place that contains some info on him, I don't see much of a problem. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: * I don't think the AfD was respected.  I've left a message at the closer. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

text: *: I apologise for my oversight in not notifiying you of this conversion earlier.  I will immediately say I am concerned your assertion on the summary at  Merging is an editorial task after the AfD closes. 0% can be merged. 100% can be merged.... is not compatible with the guideline at Wikipedia:Merging where it is stated "A merger is the process of uniting two or more pages into a single page. It is done by copying some or all content from the source page(s) into the destination page and then replacing the source page with a redirect to the destination page.".  I have highlight some because some is more the 0% and incompatible with your assertion of 0%.  Again apologies for my oversight in not notifying you earlier as article nominator.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

text: * Thankyou for that.  I'll let this run for 48h minimum and maybe up to 168h and if people are feeling the way you are I'll be delighted.  The essential problem with Castle Rock (town) as a merge target an any meaningful merge would look WP:UNDUE as no other characters are mentioned, the character seems minimal in the TV series whereas in the The Dark Half seems a much more significant character and a suitable place to describe how the character went on after that book in a sort of appendix section.  Thats my thinking anyway.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

text: * We differ here: My understanding is Redirect requires no attribution, merge requires attribution, the the WP:Wikipedia:Merging guideline.  My opinion is at AfD care needs to be taken to indicate which is being suggested.
*Comment - The reason I suggested Castle Rock (Stephen King) as the merge target was because the character has appeared in significant roles in multiple works whose main connecting thread was that they took place in that town, as he was the sheriff.  At this same time, there is actually very little in the current article that really needs to be merged.  So, my idea when proposing that merge target that he would be sufficiently covered in a sentence in the "Population and Geographical location" section, simply saying "Alan Pangborn was the sheriff of the town and appeared as a character in several of the works taking place there" or something along those lines.  If, however, people are leaning towards a merge to one of the specific books, as Djm-leighpark is suggesting, I would actually suggest Needful Things over The Dark Half.  While his first appearance was in "The Dark Half", he only appeared in a supporting role, where as he was the main character of "Needful Things", and much of the article, including most of the Fictional Biography section, is taken from that book.  Rorshacma (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

text: * @: The problem with a meaningful (ie copy of significant content with attribution) merge of Alan Pangborn to Castle Rock (Stephen King) is it would immediately have WP:UNDUE weight because no other characters are described in the article.  I view what your idea was was 'redirect' with small amount of original on target page.  But in that case vote 'redirect' and comment slight modification to target would be required .... (or even do it before voting so you can vote straight redirect).  If I have the timing right the original proposer of merge was Zxcvbnm at  04:08, 31 October 2019.  (I've had 5 things come up in RL: writing this) In practice we now have I believe have 4 options on the table.:
# Implement as Redirect to Castle Rock (Stephen King)(#?section) with addition to "Population and Geographical location" as suggested by Rorshacma.  In my opinion does not respect the AfD result and loses contribution attribution of content of source of original article.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In summary I offer 3 options of a merge should anyone feel strongly one way or the other.  I remain not happy with the redirect.  Hopefully people can focus on one option.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

text: * As stated above I have my indicated my very best intentions I will do a merge (per WP:MERGETEXT) in the timescales above, albeit that are longer than I would normally like.  I intend to do it when I am reasonably well convinced WWIII will not commence 2 minutes after I start.  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from  Alan Pangborn