Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 26

message: The page hit 87kb, it's time to archive again. Please, before starting a new topic, make sure it has not already been covered in the FAQ. Specifically, do not open new topics regarding Zelda / Sheik, the new release date, Famitsu's perfect score, or adding move lists to articles unless you have a new, valid point or contribution. Frivolous forum discussion will always be reverted. Coreycubed (talk) 18:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive, please read 

message: I think that assist trophies ought to have a bigger explanation. Currently, there is only one sentence about them, and it is shared with Poké Balls. They seem to be important, from what I've read on the DOJO!! and I don't think that they should just be mentioned as temporarily summoned guest characters. They are something new to the Smash Bros. series, and Poké Balls are just returning from Melee, so that should automatically make Assist Trophies more important. So, does anyone agree? Epass (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer: No. Long answer: Can you suggest how we can go into more detail, without having played the game or knowing more about the significance of assist trophies? They're just items that happen to be characters. It's a new element, and that has been noted. Maybe after release, there will be more to say. Coreycubed (talk) 22:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Assist Trophies act exactly the same as Pokeballs. The only difference is that Pokeballs summon Pokemon, while ATs summon anything else. It's fine the way it is.Satoryu (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, for one you could clear up rumors about Waluigi and Lyn being playable, because they are confirmed assist trophies. Secondly, maybe put in some of the popular characters that can be found in assist trophies, like hammer bros and nintendogs, throw in the capsule's appearance, and that is a fair bit of detail. The DOJO!! managed to make a section of it. It is just like the characters section, really. They have a list of the characters currently released and they have a list of Assist Trophies. It tells you what each character special moves are, and what Assistant's are, but you really don't know all about them. They really haven't released anymore information on characters than they do on Assist Trophies. I think there is enough information, check out the DOJO!! article on it. http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html Epass (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 11:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What rumors? We know all of this. On the Smash Brothers Series article we have a list of characters. Within that list are hidden tags that state that the AT Characters are not playable. -Sukecchi (talk) 12:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you'd be surprised. More than half the fan sites a look at say things like, "Do you think Lyn is playable? I hope she is playable." Or things like "Well, Wario's in the game, so it is obvious that Waluigi will be." Please note that that is not the exact words. Epass (talk) 12:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assist Trophies 

message: Which should be the section heading. Commence discussion here instead of constantly reverting. I will be letting those who changed it know on their talk pages about this discussion. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 04:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need for a discussion here on this specifically; we've talked about it before and its in the archives.  In fact, it should probably be added to the FAQ.  The consensus was to use Solo because we want to go with the mode names listed on the screenshot of Brawl's main menu. Arrowned (talk) 04:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there were 3 changes on it from 3 different editors. I didn't know about the discussion. I guess if anyone has any new reason to support their view, post it here. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 04:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: While I agree with Arrowned, I can't find said archived discussion after a quick look. Arrowned, could you link the part in reference so I can update the FAQ accordingly? In other news, apparently people don't read the article or the talk page. Coreycubed (talk) 06:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies, I was sure we had this discussion before, but you're right, it's not in the archives.  So it should be given its chance to build up steam here and get everyone's opinion in before we make a FAQ addition about it. Arrowned (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Arrowned also. Whatever it is really called on the main menu is what it should be called in the article, I don't see why there is need for discussion on it. Epass (talk) 19:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solo v. Single Player 

message: When i got a new game the booklets advertising newer games enclosed had different cover art than what we have for Brawl. Whats the deal? 
[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those booklets are out of date. The box art we have is the official box art.Satoryu (talk) 04:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  cover art 

message: Is it just me, or are the release dates still listed as the older ones?  The history, I think shows them correct, but not the article. 24.22.147.163 (talk) 05:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read a tad bit closer.  The article lists all release dates the game has had since its announcement, including the latest ones at the end of that paragraph. Arrowned (talk) 05:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense 

message: I saw that in the background there was a clear count on the stage select screen. I think that this means that we can get a very rouge estimate of the number of stages. 3% for a very early save, I estimate about 30-35 stages in the end. But I think we need a little more precise number before we can talk about adding it in the article, right?--Henke37 (talk) 10:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the SSE, I saw it too, but it can still be called orginal reasherch. There could have been check marks behind that diffucilty select. Way too early to state anything in the article.→041744 12:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no evidence to suggest that every stage in the game will be present in Subspace Emissary (or that they won't). The Melee article also doesn't mention the exact number of stages anywhere other than one screenshot of the stage select screen. Not to keep using Melee's article as a barometer, but it's way too early to even be considering a stage overview or synopsis for Brawl besides what's already there. Coreycubed (talk) 15:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stage count 

message: Is this noteable enough to add into the article. It was previously added, but removed by an editor citing WP:GAMEGUIDE. I feel that they are noteable enough to be added, but only in one specific part. Not both Subspace Emissary and Vault sections, just one or the other. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 14:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could add it in the items section.--DarkFierceDeityLink 14:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Already handled. A sentence was added in the sticker section, and the sentence about the "method that has never been seen before" was replaced. Proper references were added in both cases. This should suffice. Coreycubed (talk) 15:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that, it just looked very much out of place, with the information set across two sections, without proper refs, and using the word "you". Logan GBA (talk) 22:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no -- nothing to apologize for! You did good reverting that. I meant I came along later and revised the article properly. Monday - Friday, this article usually starts with someone coming along and adding in a bit about the latest update wherever the hell they feel like putting it, with no regards to the Manual of Style, references, etc. Then one of the regulars comes along and reverts it, decides if it's notable or not, then adds it (correctly). So, no apologies necessary -- you're SUPPOSED to keep stuff like that off of Wikipedia when you see it. :) Coreycubed (talk) 00:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sticker Power Ups 

message: All source claim an unknown leak of a game scan can we find a link directly from Famitsu? 63.76.234.250 (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which sources are you referring to? Famitsu is a well-known and respected periodical. Issue number has been properly referenced. Please include a link or more information detailing how this "unknown leak" disproves information currently in the article. Coreycubed (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception reliable? 

message: I put in a bit about the Challenges menu at the end of the Vault section. If anyone has any qualms to express, this is where to do it...but I think it will be fine. It does need a citation, though, so can somebody put that in? I always mess those up. :P Erik (talk) 01:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice: Challenges Added 

message: I just noticed something Mr. Tricky Sakurai Did. Everyone go on to Dojo and click on ANY character's page. Any one. Scroll down a bit. EVERY character has both their special moves and final smash revealed. I mean EVERY character. Go see for yourself. Well anyway, looking through all of the characters, I chanced upon Zero Suit's Final Smash. Her final Smash is changing BACK into Power Suit Samus. She doesn't unleash any sort of attack, just kinda... changes back. I mean when PS Samus does her FS, she does a huge blast THEN becomes ZS Samus. But Zero Suit just... changes back. Should this be mentioned? 24.186.101.182 (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because #1: the article doesn't talk about individual Final Smashes beyond a cursory mention they exist, and #2: we don't know what else that specific Final Smash entails.  It could damage opponents, or it could heal her slightly (this would make the most sense to be consistent with Super Metroid), or it could do something else entirely.  Since we don't know, we won't mention it. Arrowned (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you see, he said we don't know if it does anything else besides returning the Power Suit. -Sukecchi (talk) 22:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, although Samus's is the most extreme, Bowser and Wario also have Final Smashes that transform them. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 22:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, no they aren't.  They merely *enhance* attacks (to detrimental result in Wario-Man's case when he uses his hog). -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 00:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Peach Blossom begs to differ. It's not necessary. -Sukecchi (talk) 23:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You still don't know for sure that's all it does.  Again, if it's anything like the Crystal Flash from Super Metroid, it could heal her, which you can't tell from that video because she was already at 0% damage when she changed back.  Either way, this whole "it's not an attack/it doesn't do anything/it could do something we don't know" discussion is speculation and therefore against Wikipedia's rules to mention. Arrowned (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: What does any of this have to do with editing Wikipedia or the article? Coreycubed (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero Suit's FS