Talk:Zion National Park

message: I took this out:
More settlers moved into the canyon and improved its ability to serve their needs. Cattle and other domesticated animals, however, pushed out wild game and depleted native grasses. This made conditions worse for the Parrusits still living in the area (whose numbers had been greatly reduced by disease and slavery under the Spanish in the 18th century). In time, their numbers decreased to almost zero as the remaining inhabitants migrated to less-crowded lands south and were culturally assimilated. The canyon was farmed until it was protected in 1909.
because while generally true, it does not actually apply to places inside the boundary of the Park, which were NOT habituated by the Piutes at the time the settlers got there.  The canyon WAS farmed, but only very small parts of it. Ratagonia 05:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Native American / Mormon Pioneer Interactions

message: Thirty years ago I walked for a few days through the Zion National Park.  
Some of the trails were cut into the sides of cliffs and it was my information that these trails had been constructed through make-work projects during the Depression.    
This is not mentioned in the article though.  I think it ought to be - if my memory is not playing tricks.  I did a bit of googling but couldn't find anything on it.  - Pepper 150.203.2.85 04:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trails

message: From 16:21 to 16:25 GMT on the 2nd of March 2006 User:Geoffrey Pruitt edits the article.  He changes AD & BC to CE & BCE.  Geoffrey, you missed one but the point is are you justified in doing this?  Wikipedia's manual of style would suggest that you are not.  The manual shows no preference for either form.  Nor have I any strong preference for either I'm just not keen on seeing unjustified edits that could potentially start off an edit war. Jimp 04:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AD & BC or CE & BCE 

message: I spent nearly two weeks working on a virtual tour of Zion National Park which includes over 4,000 images. There is a user with a big stick who thinks I shouldn't put the link in here, so would someone else care to? It is at
http://www.UntraveledRoad.com/Zion-National-Park.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by KelvinSmith (talk • contribs) 
: Note user's spam campaign in his contribution history, as well as talk page discussions. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would anyone like to add this link? 

message: Can someone move the image in the lead to a better place in the article? It looks a bit messy where it currently is. Also, should we have the images alternate left and right, rather than the somewhat random placement we currently have? --Lethargy 23:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image layout 

message: I think the lead paragraph is a little long (see WP:LEAD). I think we could get rid of the list of plants and animals found in the area. Who the hell even knows what megafauna means? I mean, the Zion Snail is interesting enough that I think an entire stub or portion of the page could be dedicated to just that... not to mention the lists of common animals/plants. As for the history of peoples, I think a general paragraph about it will be helpful. The detail it goes into know is both boring and not appropriate for the lead. 
As for the pictures, I think there are a lot of wonderful pictures that could illustrate some of the key features of the park. I don't think having a picture in the Bibliography is all too helpful. Perhaps we could simplify it a bit and put a gallery in at the bottom for all of the pictures. 
Just my two cents. Jhunt47 (talk) 03:12, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We rely on reliable sources for our articles, not our own analyses. And Rothman isn't just anyone. "Hal Rothman, Ph.D., at the History Department at UNLV history.unlv.edu/faculty/rothman.htmlHal Rothman, Ph.D. Hal Rothman. Considered one of the nation's leading expert on tourism and post-industrial economies"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 09:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I write quite a bit about Zion and WP tends to have a great page on information that is hard to locate other places, I would argue against removing that information. I also don't like the idea of a picture gallery at the bottom either. Also, Rothman is an excellent source of information.~ty (talk) 16:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead and Gallery 

message: This Park was recently featured in the video game Fallout New Vegas as part of the Honest Hearts Add-On.  I thin this article should mention that.
Rynosaur (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not. See WP:TRIVIA. --mav (reviews needed) 23:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

text: No, ephemera don't belong in the article. Acroterion (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured in Media 

message: There's no doubt that the link you included provides interesting information. However, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of web sites that allow one to see views of Zion, and get interesting information. There are some stunning videos on Youtube, and some great pictures on numerous sites. Finding these sites is what Google is for; Wikipedia is not a collection of links.--Larry (talk) 18:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnecessary external link

message: The recent addition of news about a base jumping death was well written and cited, so I feel a little bad about removing it. However, it isn't especially noteworthy. There have been dozens of accidental deaths in Zion (according to one book on Amazon, the count is 73 since the early 1900's). Several involved temporary notoriety (one involved a Boy Scout; another involved mysterious circumstances). I don't see adding individual incidents as being useful. --Larry (talk) 16:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I understand why my edit was reverted. No worries. I was just reading about the incident in the news and felt it was notable so I decided to add it in. Though it is incredibly sad and somewhat noteworthy, in context with all of the other deaths at Zion National Park, it's importance does not stand out. If we list one of the deaths, we'd have to include them all and this is not the page to do so. I don't know if this information could be included in another page but if you have any ideas let me know. You stated that there has been 73 accidental deaths at Zion National Park since the early 1900s; maybe it is worth have a page of its own- Accidental Deaths at Zion National Park. I don't know. It's worth considering. Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 19:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good point. I'm not sure how to handle it, and if you felt strongly enough about it, I wound not re-revert. I just checked and the Grand Canyon National Park is silent on the matter. However, the more inclusive article Grand Canyon does have such a section - 'Grand Canyon fatalities'. --Larry (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base jumping death 

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message: I think this August 1979 is a good photo to insert. it shows tourists but also fills a gap, many pictures are very recent, or taken before the 1940s.
I don't want to disrupt the balance of a very good article, I let more expert users to take a final decision, Bye. --Alexmar983 (talk) 05:50, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: In the area section, I wanted to update the latest citation for [1], but couldn't find the ref name="area" anywhere that I can edit. Princeton wu (talk) 04:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I edit the reference in the infobox? 

message: In History you write "Later groups in this period built permanent villages called pueblos. " HOW can it be? Spanish was not spoken ! Maybe it was called - "SORB" that means "gathering" and it was in Slavonic language, because people came from Asia, Slavonic Russia where Slavonic languages are spoken. They all were called Serbs or "Sorben" (including Russians, Polish, Bulgarians...)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.155.139.87 (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish before Spanish??

message: 1. Is it Coalpit Wash or Coal Pit Wash? I see both in the article. There should be consistency.
2. The history section should be placed before the geography and climate sections.
3. The "Towers of the Virgin: The Sundial (left), The Witch Head, Broken Tooth, Rotten Tooth, Altar of Sacrifice" image is pretty lousy. The fog is totally in the way. A better image should be found to replace it.
4. The history section mentions the "Historic period" but it does not have a subsection for it.
5. The "Archaic period" and "Infrastructure improvements" should be written in a chronological order.
6. The list of movies at the beginning and end of the "More recent history" section should be in its own section.
7. The text mentions 75 mammals and 32 reptiles. Later the numbers go up to 79 and down to 28. This is inconsistent.
ICE77 (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question and comments