Talk:Jutland horse

message: The article previously called this horse breed cold-blooded.  I think the writer means that the horses can withstand cold temperatures, but that term refers to a system which is not autothermosustaining, which is not the same thing.  I have deleted the cold-blooded adjective, but have not replaced it.  Any suggestions are welcome.   Raymondwinn (talk) 02:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Cold blooded" is a term of art among horse people for draft horses and refers to their calm "cool" temperaments.  Montanabw(talk) 05:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cold-blooded?

message: If it matters, I learned during some of the work Countercanter did on chestnut (coat) that chestnut is in may ways the simplest and most basic coat color in horses, the most recessive color there is, and biologically created by a genetic mechanism that is equivalent to that which creates blonde or red hair in people.  So, given that we are dealing with Scandanavia, it's interesting (maybe even mind-boggling and entering the Twilight Zone?) that even prior to the development of DNA testing, the people were looking for a form of recessive genetics in horses that paralleled common genetics in many of the local people.  (and that it's genetic, not simply color, because they discouraged cream genes...?)  Wonder if the red dog thing is another genetic parallel?  Anyway, it just sort of struck me as interesting.  Montanabw(talk) 23:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The chestnut thing

message: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22jutland+horse%22&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C47&as_sdtp=on
The Heredity article might be helpful and is free. TCO (talk) 13:13, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some good stuff in here, Dana.  If you are not sciencey, we can help, but no push.TCO (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't seen this section until just now. I have to go do a bit of housecleaning, but will be back on in a bit and will work on integrating some of this information. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 17:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've integrated some material that I felt was relevant from Genetic analysis, breed assignment and conservation priorities..., 2008. Not sure if this was the article you were talking about or not? If not, could you post the link to the article you were talking about? Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about this one.  but if the info is not helpful, don't include.  there's only 8 returns in that google search, so would just check all 8 and see what you can extract!    TCO (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That one has nothing. Two mentions of the Jutland - one about their relationship to another breed that's already in the article and one saying that further study should be done on the Jutland, since they weren't included in this study. Dana boomer (talk) 13:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google scholar search 

message: 1.  This is CC-by-SA on Flickr.  Is horse right horse?  We could crop a bit to blow up. http://www.flickr.com/photos/celesteh/2294260939/
2.  We should get a picture of that famous statue.  There are a bunch on Flickr but all restricted.  Could have Mottenen grab one.  Or write someone and get a permission to upload (and yeah, I know GA says all pre-free, I'm not concentrating on that, just trying to build the article).
3.  If there is anything else to photo, maybe Mottenen could do it.  for instance here that webpage (even if not an RS, and I have not given up hope that it's a decent website, looks organized and not like a garage band) might direct us to a main breeder or the like.  Mottennen could get pics and maybe that person can refer to RSes (books or articles or pamphlets).TCO (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First image, no idea. The angle is weird, so it's hard to see what size the horse actually is. It looks more like a pony build to me, but because there's nothing there for comparison (a person, etc), it's hard to see if the horse is tall or short. Second image, no. That's an Icelandic horse that just happens to be in Denmark. If other images can be found, awesome; we just have to make sure they're properly licensed and of the proper breed. There's lots of bulky chestnut horses floating around Scandanavia, so just because it's a draft horse in Denmark doesn't mean it's a Jutland. Dana boomer (talk) 19:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I dropped a note with "EPO" (uploader of your Carlsbad wagon pic) at Commons.  Asked him to get us a pic of the Randers Jutland stallion (largest horse statue in the world).  He's Danish.  Invited him to take a look and see if anything else he do to help.TCO (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  images 

message: I was surfing the Carlsberg site (had this idea that they might be a source to content).  Maybe we could write and ask for image licencing.  Or even if they have some RS content.  
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(they say "high res to download" and it is part of a "press kit"  so I excpect they might react favorably to a licence request for CC-by-SA 3.0).  Might not even be needed, but I would do to be safe.  I can put in the request if you don't know how to. I did it a lot with Painted turtle.  It's just a canned email I send, not that much work really.  Has lead to good things at times.TCO (talk) 15:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what the value of either of those images would be? There's not a lot of room in the article for extra images, and two of the Carlsberg horses would probably be headed towards undue weight. The two images that I would like for the article are one of a horse in a color other than chestnut and one of a horse, standing properly, on good footing, facing left, without a bunch of stuff in the background. The latter is our ideal shot for the lead in most horse articles, but is hard to find. You're welcome to ask them, of course, but I'm not really seeing what the point is? Especially since both of those have horses at a rather weird angle. Dana boomer (talk) 17:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's pass.  Just tossing ideas out.TCO (talk) 17:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  pretty pony pictures!