Talk:Alice Prin

message: Hello,
It appears that Amadeo Modiliaghni also had something to do, since a painting of his on display at the Museo Thyssen in Madrid may be of Kiki.
:You are probably referring to: Amedeo Modigliani, Head of a Woman (1915) in the collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum. I do not agree with the point of view of Paloma Alarcó, it is much more likely that it is a portrait of Jeanne Hébuterne, his lover, common-law wife and frequent model. I have included a photograph and a picture for comparison. It must be said that Kiki was a friend of Tsuguharu Foujita as was Jeanne Hébuterne. The date of Modigliani meeting Jeanne and the date of the portrait would suggest in favour of Kiki, but I do not know how accurate the dates are. JHvW 08:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrait

message: The reason for the removal of the second photograph by Julian Mandel, recently introduced without apparent copyright being waived, is related to the statement at the History of erotic photography which states, In the United States, all portraits from prior to January 1, 1923, have passed into the public domain. Most are in black-and-white... [1] and that the source of the photograph is a site indicating a copyright.
83d40m 22:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tallulahs.com claims copyright of Design, Arrangement, & Text of their website, not on the pictures themselves. I am honestly puzzled by your notion that that Kiki's picture by Julian Mandel is in color; in fact it is a sepia tone photo. And even if it were in color, which it is not, it would be meaningless since in the early 20th century it was common practice to handcolor photographs, see eg this postcard, from the first decade of the 20th century. Furthermore, color photography did in fact already exist in the 19th century, but it was a very tedious process. Julian Mandel was active in the period 1915-1928, well before the introduction of Kodachrome in 1935, which made color photography more readily available. 12.74.162.36 10:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of color photograph by Julian Mandel

message: Hi, I just noticed that the link for Mayo in the section  Notoriety Begins incorrectly links to the county in Ireland. However, I do not know the history to know which Mayo, if any, on the disambiguation page the link should correctly point. Perhaps someone with more historical knowledge can correct the link.
Krasnoludek 02:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mayo is the artists name of Greek painter Antoine Malliarakis. Unfortunately there seems to be no entry for him at this time. The link has been corrected. JHvW 07:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Link for Mayo

message: Does anyone know the names of Kiki's parents? I've never stumbled across their names and I'm writing an article on her life. Thanks- Samantha555 (talk) 02:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never seen any discussion about her father, but her mother and grandmother are mentioned in many references seen while looking for references for the article. If I recall correctly, her mother was named, Louise, but I would have to find the sources again to be sure. Sources citing the name exist, however, if you want to look. ---- 83d40m (talk) 15:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

text: There is an excellent book "Kiki's Paris-  Artists and Lovers 1900-1930" by Billy Kluver and Julie Martin containing many excellent Montparnasse fotos of Kiki in her "prime."  In this book on page 60 it says: 
"Her mother, Marie Prin, worked as a linotypist for a local newspaper.  Marie's lover, Kiki's father, was Maxime Legros, a coal and wood merchant whose shop was just down the street."
(in Chatillon-sur-Seine, a small town in Burgundy).   For anyone interested in Kiki's life, I highly recommend checking out this book from a lending library.  I cannot personally vouch for it's accuracy, but due to the scope / size and amount of data (700 illustrations, 12 maps, 264 pages total) it is in the very least a "Kiki-fan's" dream.
davequ (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kiki's Parents

message: "She never returned as a resident." [citation needed] This apparently is incorrect according to Art Buchwald's memoir, "I'll Always Have Paris!" Buchwald relates seeing Kiki in Paris dancing on tables at cafes in the late 1940s. He writes on page 16 of how "She went from cafe to cafe and danced on tables while the crowd pretended to love it. I found it sad the first time I saw it--and even sadder each time after that." This behaviour hardly seems possible unless she was a resident.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.41.15.59 (talk) 05:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: CORRECTION: ARTWORK AND AUTOBIOGRAPHY

message: French postcards purporting to be of Alice Prin (Kiki) have been circulating the internet for years and have wound up here on Wikipedia. Anyone familiar with the subject knows they are not her. Kiki posed nude quite often in the 1920s, for photographer Man Ray and painters such as Foujita, Soutine, Pascin and Kisling. She even did a few "artistic" porn shots with Ray collectively entitled "The Four Seasons". But there is no evidence she ever sat for commercial erotica. Her portraits and nudes show a fleshy woman with broad shoulders, pear-shaped breasts and very big hips, to say nothing of her distinctive facial features. (Her epic angular nose was practically her trademark - Alexander Calder made a wire sculpture of it). Google images for "Man Ray Kiki" with safe search off, and compare.
The only feasible time that necessity might have driven Kiki to do anonymous softcore was a period of some months in 1918, after her mother kicked her out and before she hooked up with her first lover, painter Maurice Mendjizky; but the visual documentation is against this. Mendjizky's portrait of Kiki at age 18 (1919), Ray's earliest photos of her (1921), and a self-portrait sketched in a letter to Tristan Tzara prove she did not adopt her signature sleek bobbed hair until after March 1922, the year Foujita's painting "Nude with a Jouy Fabric" made both the artist and Kiki famous throughout France. So she could not have posed for the attributed postcards before then. And she would not have afterwards, because she was a star of the Montparnasse art scene - and well knew it.     
Also note that the Wiki article for postcard photographer Julian Mandel is unsourced and Kiki does not appear in the text (though she has a link below).  With no reliable provenance linking the postcards with Kiki, I believe they should be removed. TheBawbb (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spurious Photographs 

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message: Copying my message from Talk:Julien Mandel, since several of his photos are used in this article:  The apparently confirmed later than generally thought death date for Julian Mandel means that Mandel's photos are not yet legally copyright expired in his home country of France, so there is a pending deletion request:  Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Photographs_by_Julian_Mandel (For those who don't know, the Commons discussions are just as to matters of copyright, not whether they think they are good images something, so it's not a matter of votes.)  It looks likely that if the 1961 date is confirmed, Mandel's works on Commons will be deleted, with undeletion scheduled for 2032. BUT!  A good bit of Madel's work (pre-1926 publication) is ok for US use - and here at English language Wikipedia.  So if someone wishes to  local copies of a good sample and upload them here on en:w (with appropriate note that they are not yet internationally OK for Commons - ) they could be used for articles here for the next 10 years.  Heads up before are those easily accessible images on Commons disappear for 10 years!  -- Infrogmation (talk) 01:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Heads up! Confirmation of later death date for Mandel means his images will be off Commons for 10 years!

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