Talk:Higher education

message: I temporarily move the text below here. The subject deserves a discussion, possibly even in a separate article, but the particular text below has not found its proper context in the current state of this article. (This unsigned comment was from me --Yuzz 23:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed section "Catholic higher education" 

message: I think the two articles should be merged. Post-secondary education defines itself as higher education in the article so it should be merged. --Noetic Sage 17:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Post-secondary education could refer to any form of education after completing one's Secondary Education.  This could be job training, certification (such as HVAC technician), vocational-technical, or Higher Education.  While often used synonimously, they are not.  Higher Education refers to a degree from a college or university.
Elwood64151 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No Merger

message: There is a distinction between post-secondary education and higher education. Examine:
*Further education
*Sixth form college
*Ontario Academic Credit
*CEGEP
In many places outside the U.S., there is a notion of a level of education above compulsory secondary education but lower than university-level higher education. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 00:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad merge 

message: While that section is interesting, I don't think it belongs on a general page about higher education around the globe. I think it should be relocated.
Concerned Scientist says : 
1) The above observation is completely alien to me - but where would the person advise that it be relocated to?
2) PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS (JUST USE ConcernedScientist 17:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal Bureau of Investigation created the National Security Higher Education Advisory Board 

message: It seems to me that the List of Higher Education Institutions by Region does NOT include the UK.  Is there any reason for why Higher Education within the UK is not included ? (of course, I suppose it is just waiting for someone to add it)
I haven't had too much time to review this particular Higher Education wiki (or think about how UK Higher Education institutions would work out) – but this would be a good thing to do at some point.  
ConcernedScientist 17:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Higher Education Institutions By Region

message: On the second paragraph:
"Deciding to further your education and attain a degree tends to improve many aspects of life. People with college degrees tend to earn more money and salary increases over the years are more substantial than for those that do not have a college degree or university degree. Additionally..."
From then on, the thing's packed with vague positives. ("Tends to improve many aspects of life"--which ones?) It also addresses the reader in the second person ("The Occupational Outlook Handbook is a wonderful tool that you can use in various ways.") 
Clearly, college can be useful, but this makes it sound a bit a college brochure. Do we edit it for tone and length, or just cut it out altogether? The bit about it impacting salary strikes me as valid enough. Kennard2 09:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Types--general" inappropriate tone 

message: Several institutions claiming to be of higher education are not and are deceiving thousands of people. Please address this. 199.117.69.8 (talk) 19:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: References please: who says they are not? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: Is there a reason why these are omitted from any mention under "Types" of higher education?
Please forgive me if I haven't done this right. I have never edited or posted anything on Wikipedia before.
--64.24.152.3 (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Science, Technology, Engineering and Math? 

message: The article for anti-intellectualism does not address the viewpoint several people including myself have of valuing knowledge but opposing the elitist, greedy, snobbish, aristocratic, and oftentimes hypocritic collegiate and university establishments and we question the validity of their academic degrees, curriculum, tuition fees, and methods of grading. We also oppose the judging of a person's value based on which places of higher learning they attended, if any at all. We oppose the whole idea of credentials actually. 199.117.69.60 (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a debate forum. If you can cite reputable sources and provide a cogent and relevant treatment, then by all means include the argument in the article. Wikiant (talk) 01:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: He *proves* this?? Perhaps we're using different definitions for academic. Wikiant (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Another is Ferdinand Lundberg's The Rich and the Super-Rich (1968) says  most philanthropic money funneled into education has some benefit, but most of it has been devoted to producing corporate personnel, with the primary mission of making profits.  It's common in US for people to read in newspapers and magazines of great new medical advances and discoveries, but they little realize that most of these advances  will never be available to them, will be available only to those who can afford them in a few centrally located medical centers. "The wide prevalence of slums would suggest to visitors from another planet that there was little education, science or medicine available to anyone at all in the United States." The book is loaded with info, so much that every word should be online. Stars4change (talk) 01:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  still no criticism? 

message: "Note that in North America, but not in Canada, the word "college" is very often used as a synonym for "university", especially in efficient conversation, for the simple reason that "college" is a two-syllable word, whereas "university" is five syllables long."
Citation for this would be good. Personally, I think that the reasons why people say "college" instead of "university" is considerably more complicated and, unless there is a reference provided, this whole statement should be removed.Jimjamjak (talk) 10:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Efficient conversation" 

message: This article should be merged with Tertiary education in my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylwia Ufnalska (talk • contribs) 07:41, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: I do not find the image that Rrodic/Mosalman has prominently placed at the top of the article is an iconic image of a US university. It is not immediately recognizable (it's now used for administrative purposes) and, as US universities go, fairly recent. I have no particular preference, but find the images congested and arbitrary, perhaps better placed in a gallery. The Harvard image was added in October 2011 and remained there until three or four days ago.  The image from Cambridge, the first to be added, is iconic. Mathsci (talk) 06:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Actually I'm neutral about the merge, but since my edit of Higher education was [ reverted], I would like to request for more opinions. Quest for Truth (talk) 08:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Higher education is to Tertiary education in the same way as Square is to Rectangle. It is correct to say that Higher education is also often called Tertiary education, however Tertiary education is not solely Higher education. No merge is necessary.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notwillywanka (talk • contribs) 19:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be merged. Tshuva (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Both articles state that they cover the same subject. Higher education calls itself Tertiary education in the opening sentence, and Tertiary education disputes Higher education's monopoly on the terms "post-secondary education" and "third level education". Unless these clearly diverge into covering two separate but similar subjects, they should be merged to eliminate redundancy and confusion. 8ty3hree (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

text: *Merge. I like the term "higher education" but admit that tertiary education is clearer and unambiguous. Apparently, I felt differently 3 years ago! (see above). Student7 (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

text: If we take Template:Education stages as authoritative, then Higher education is a part of Tertiary education. 93 00:55, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Tertiary education]] 

message: Right now, the article addresses some differences in higher education in different places (mostly English-speaking), but does so rather haphazardly. In order to make it more feasible to reflect global differences in higher ed, it seems like it would be helpful to consider a re-organization. Can anyone suggest a model article that takes on a topic like this with a good coverage of global variation? AngelaVietto (talk) 18:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructure article to allow for globalization?

message: The picture of a place in Fez being called as the "oldest university" is pretty much an exaggeration. There are seven editors at that article who have successfully defended against its removal. However, the concept of a university was not encompassed until the Middle Ages, in Europe, as listed in List of oldest universities in continuous operation. Neither is it listed at List of the oldest madrasahs in continuous operation in the Muslim world. There are more and neutrals eyes there. Guinness as a WP:RS? "Record for eating the most peanuts at one sitting?" That Guinness? I don't think so.
A madrassah, anyway, is more like a Bible school than a university. Student7 (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Oldest university

message: This article needs to have more juice to the topic. It only gives you statistics and bland definitions of what higher education is. It basically is reader’s digest for dummies. The need to add more opposing views and give you options for discussion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.206.224 (talk) 16:52, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Be our guest. fgnievinski (talk) 17:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher Education 

message: I see that nearly all the captions to the photographs refer to "institution of higher learning" rather than "institution of higher education". 
Now I realize that to some institution of higher learning might be the preferred term, even so "institution of higher education" turns up 13 million google hits compared to only half a million for institution of higher learning. Would anybody care to comment? Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Google's counter is notoriously unreliable, so I don't know if this is any more accurate, but.... I limited my search to the past year and googled "institution of higher learning" -site:wikipedia.org and "institution of higher education" -site:wikipedia.org and then clicked to the end to see how many pages of results there were for each, and there were 32 pages of results for "institution of education" and 38 pages for "institution of higher learning", which is only a difference of ~60 websites. IMO that's a negligible difference in the grand scheme of life. When I googled both phrases in the same search, I found a lot of universities using both interchangeably in their mission statements and the Code of Virginia says, "For purposes of this section: 'Institution of higher learning' means any post-secondary school, trade or professional institution, or institution of higher education." Maryland and Pakistan both have an office called the "Higher Education Commission". It doesn't seem like there's a clear preference to me (and we haven't even started talking about websites that prefer institiute of higher education/learning), so I think we should go by the old adage, "Don't fix what's not broken". Maybe a lot of the pictures were uploaded/labeled by the same person who was used to saying "institution of higher learning". —PermStrump(talk) 17:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Institution of higher education or higher learning 

message: Greetings to everybody:
I want to propose the addition of the International Handbook of Education 2017
The available option are as follows
* Webarchive Flipbook International Handbook of Universities 2017
* UNESCO Centre British Virgin Islands PDF International Handbook of Universities 2017
Both Options are available for free, compiled in a book, actually also available in a Paperback option in AMAZON 
 UNESCO International Handbook of Universities 2017
I published here, but another editor felt it was non enciclopedic, and UNDO the changes.
Thanks for feedbacksTaesulkim (talk) 19:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Handbook of Universities 2017 Link 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I note that the issue on this page has not been addressed. It is entirely US-centric- may I propose that it is renamed Higher Education in the United States freeing the title to approach the topic from the UNESCO Tertiary education (ISCED levels 5 to 8) definition. . See also:European Qualifications Framework
 
That said the residual article has problems with referencing, factual accuracy, over-linking and focus. The quality code needs to be revised downwards.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged since June 2018 

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message: The section with this title consisted of the following, which I have removed, since it discusses U.S. history only, which is obviously misleading - see, for example, List of oldest universities in continuous operation, which discusses universities in operation for many hundreds of years before the U.S. even came into existence.
:The U.S. system of higher education was heavily influenced by the Humboldtian model of higher education. Wilhelm von Humboldt's educational model goes beyond vocational training. In a letter to the Prussian king, he wrote:
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:The philosopher Julian Nida-Rümelin criticized discrepancies between Humboldt's ideals and the contemporary European education policy, which narrowly understands education as a preparation for the labor market, and argued that we need to decide between McKinsey and Humboldt.
-- John Broughton   (♫♫) 03:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of higher education 

message: I have my own theories on how this article got into such an appalling mess. I have left inline comments. I moved stuff from the lead to main, and littered the text with .  There is one country specific section that needs to be floated (and then copy-edited)- I could do it, but I would prefer someone else to take ownership. The topic is not just about bricks and mortar but should have a high economic and sociological input too. ClemRutter (talk) 14:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuing to remove off-focus material

message: Howa many language of insruction in Higher education in the world? Are anywhere list of these languages?--Kaiyr (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

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