Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles/Citing Quran

message: I propose this format:
*Sura 4.35 translated by Shakir
::And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people; if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them, surely Allah is Knowing, Aware 
--Striver 05:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is beautiful. BUT I *have heard* Yusuf Ali is the most famous translation. Isn't it? --Aminz 05:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: BTW, we also have Qur'an template: . --Aminz 05:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quran ref

message: * We should not reference to Qur'an directly in wikipedia since Qur'an is a primary source. There are many verses and Hadiths that are all used together by Islamic scholars. We can however quote "Scholar X in his commentary on verse X". Please note that the Scholar X should be a renowned Muslim scholar.
:: Of course we should be able to cite verses from the Qur'an -- not to say what they mean (that's interpretation) but just to specify what is under discussion. If there's any discussion of what the verses mean, then we cite scholars.
* We should not reference to Qur'an directly in wikipedia since Qur'an is a primary source. There are many verses and Hadiths that are all used together by Islamic scholars. We can however quote "Scholar X in his commentary on verse X". Please note that the Scholar X should be a renowned Muslim scholar.
:: Of course we should be able to cite verses from the Qur'an -- not to say what they mean (that's interpretation) but just to specify what is under discussion. If there's any discussion of what the verses mean, then we cite scholars. 
:: Per above, we should use the Qur'an when talking about verses, but use someone's interpretation (or preferably several interpretations) when talking about what a verse means. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 04:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed guildline

message: I have created Template:QuoteQuran and would like to present it here as an proposed standard model for quoting the Qur'an. --Striver 06:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: :Template:QuoteQuran-range is pretty cool, but something is wrong with it on some pages, Iram of the Pillars for example. I was trying to fix it but I can't find the problem. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just come from the same page - it definitely needs some cleaning up. If the inappropriate box border was only added to stop the introduction from looking like part of the article body, we should drop the box and move the chapter-and-verse citation to the small print at the end. --McGeddon (talk) 09:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote template 

message: Cite source for Qur'an translations has long been USC. I think this can be changed to some other source. I introduced a discussion on Template_talk:Cite_quran#Cite_Source. Please discuss there on the matter. --নাফী ম. সাধ nafSadhtalk 14:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite Qur'an 

message: In the holy Quran - "And the sky was built by Us with might; and indeed We are the expanders" - 51:47. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble’s Law states. Is it possible to some how put thi in "Metric expansion of space"? It would be a great reference for researchers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tauhidaerospace (talk • contribs) 03:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing Quran from external link 

message: Many Muslims quote the Quran.  In articles that report what some later person said, how (if at all) should the articles cite the Quran?  In these instances, the Quran is not a source for he/she said.  Doing a normal citation to the Quran creates the illusion of a citation for him/her saying it.
There are a number of articles, such as Sermon of Zaynab bint Ali in the court of Yazid where there are citations to the Quran for events that happened after the Quran was written.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Toddy1: I think the article creator had tried to show that she had used Quranic verses as parts of her sermons.(as the sources show). How about using footnotes to explain that some parts of the sermon are in fact Quranic verses instead of citing to Quran? Mhhossein (talk) 04:37, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing the Quran for instances when people quoted the Quran 

message: Quotes that are used to prove a claim, should normally be put in the ref that accompanies said claim. If and only if it is utterly and completely necessary, quotes might be included in the main text. The standard WP quotation format is a quote in combination with . In the past, specific quotation templates have been created, which some may consider to be "fancy" and others downright "POV": ,  and . Here I propose a replacement to standardise all of these "POV" templates according to the neutral , whilst retaining some of the specific parameters.
===Qur'an===
This standard combines  with . The proposed template markup is 
 
Example:
The "POV" Qur'an templates include many more translators than  does now, but those are relatively easy to add and so should not pose a major problem.
===Hadith===
I propose two variants: one in which the external link/reference is in ref-format, and another in which everything is non-superscripted 
(disclaimer: the following quote is merely an example taken from Shahid to illustrate a proposed standard and does in no way represent my opinions and beliefs. This quote just coincidentally had the best markup I came across). 
Variant 1)  }}:
Variant 2) :
I am not sure about where to put the classification (sahih, daif, etc.), although I suspect that classifications are not frequently added to  anyway. Perhaps it is best to put them between ref tags, somewhere after the Hadith-usc template. - HyperGaruda (talk) 11:34, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer that  with a capital "Q" be used, since Quran is a proper noun.  We should not expect our editors to use unusual capitalisation.  Of course  would still work as a redirect.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is easily fixed with a couple of redirects. - HyperGaruda (talk) 21:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standards for quoting Quran and Hadith 

message: I propose two variants: one in which the external link/reference is in ref-format, and another in which everything is non-superscripted 
(disclaimer: the following quote is merely an example taken from Shahid to illustrate a proposed standard and does in no way represent my opinions and beliefs. This quote just coincidentally had the best markup I came across). 
Variant 1)  }}:
Variant 2) :
I am not sure about where to put the classification (sahih, daif, etc.), although I suspect that classifications are not frequently added to  anyway. Perhaps it is best to put them between ref tags, somewhere after the Hadith-usc template. - HyperGaruda (talk) 11:34, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer that  with a capital "Q" be used, since Quran is a proper noun.  We should not expect our editors to use unusual capitalisation.  Of course  would still work as a redirect.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is easily fixed with a couple of redirects. - HyperGaruda (talk) 21:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Hadith