Talk:Hentai/Archive 2

message: Posts/sections no longer being replied to have been moved to the Archive 1 page in order to keep this page more manageable in size. It was beginning to get too long. --nihon 20:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives 

message: this is a good article for Hentai, but TOO MANY DAMN INFORMATION!
Why is there so many information on "Meaning of the word", just 2 or 3 paragraphs are enough, and why so many big deal on Background? i know you all work hard on them both come on,.. some one will enter wiki and read this article, just to find A LOT OF info on Background Meaning of the word
Yes this article needs PICTURES! to stand out
and i swear there was some links to some hentai pages, for example there was a link to Hentia Lovers Club, WHAT HAPPEN TO IT!?,
There should be a header on "Differences of Hentai"
it suppose to be about, hentai found on Interent and the Home Video, the differences about them
by the way, there was some more info on this Hentai page, WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM!?
lets get to work><ino 03:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia. You may wish to read What Wikipedia Is Not. -Harmil 10:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

text: all i am just asking is...if people come in and read Hentai article, they will see to many information, and they won't be botherd to read it...havn't you heard of persentations? do not pack to many information on one page...expend them
><ino 03:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  HENTAI!!!>:D 

message: Wether or not this was intent of vandilism or wrong assumption, there should not be links to hentai. --FlareNUKE 08:28, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: can someone put the changes they will do here before actually doing it! 
thanks
yes there shouldn't be a link to Hentai, only links that are not acctaully ment for porn, for example a H-anime/Hentai review wesbite, can be acceptd, but ones that actually shows movies, pictures, links to other hardcore are not accepted!
>x<ino 13:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, lol I remember when there was a hentai link on this page before, but I dont remember when lol, I was doing a school report when i got bored and asked myself "I wonder if.... they have concise information of...." and I got side tracked. I do agree that there shouldn't be any hentai links, bad for children's minds. But the theory that a link could used to lure people to the site as an "advertisment" is incredibly insidious and very evasive... poor sick little minds :P. --------Reeves 01:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Hentai Link 

message: :Image added. --nihon 04:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Images. --nihon 05:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image needed 

message: I am a photographer in Currently in Japan with some free time. Is there any specific suggestions as to what photographs would suit the page without being deemed as pornographic. If anyone has any other image requests that they wish to me to fulfill while in Japan (time will be limited) let me know.
Mark 13:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 02:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Clearly we need new images we can all agree on.  Something that is more hentai than the old ones, but maybe not as in your face.
In all honesty this is not about shocking, or what is tame, since those are both just POV.  But there is something to be said about this article's usefulness going down if as soon as you see it you have to close the window so grandma doesn't see it.  Or the poor soul who gets kicked out of the public library because he pulled this article up, and they thought he was downloading porn.  This is not a case of saying "tough luck, buddy, deal with it".  This is a situation in which we can accommodate, reasonably, and we should. There is a major difference in censorship and accommodation.
We want this article to be the best it can be; to be useful to as many as it can be. But I do understand that the previous images really didn't represent hentai. (That being said, I only felt :Image:Boku_83.jpg came close to an average representation. The other ones weren't even good hentai.)  I suggest external links for our "candidates" before uploading new images to Wikipedia. -- Ned Scott 04:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only image I have any major objection to (as far as being in the article) is :Image:Fuusen q21.jpg. The others (including the original three) would be fine and give a decent range of styles and content, IMHO. I included :Image:CreamLemonMakoSexySymphonyPart1manga.jpg because Cream Lemon is arguably the most famous hentai anime series ever (and apparently has something for everyone in one episode or another); :Image:LevelC-DVDcover.jpg to give representation to the shōnen-ai sub-genre; and :Image:RenaiConsultant.jpg because it shows the "cute" side of some hentai manga, and gives some representation to the shōjo-ai sub-genre. As I said above, I'm fine with :Image:Boku_83.jpg and :Image:Yuna q28.jpg being used, too. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 06:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I have only an objection with :Image:Fuusen q21.jpg as well. I agree that the line between censorship and accomodation is not fine, but I don't believe that that image accommodates that much. There are other images that fit the profile while still being SFW (:Image:Boku_83.jpg is an excellent example). In my opinion, this isn't a matter of censorship as it is a matter of making the article being used for research rather than a pornographic website. (There is a big, big difference between art and pornography. A look at a Rennaissance Art gallery proves it.) You could very well give external links to NSFW images at the bottom, or at the very least add a NSFW tag at the top if needed. The end goal is an article that is used for research on the subject, and I think that that image isn't necessary for that purpose.--Offkilter 08:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 23:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That image is still unsourced, meaning that it can't use in the article until SlashDot says where it came from. But judging from the watermark, it probably came off of the J-List website. --TheFarix (Talk) 00:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the source. Kotepho 09:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 01:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 14:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd still rather not use something that was just taken off jlist.com. -- Ned Scott 00:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I Agree that we need to get a new flippin picture. And to whoever posted the image titled boku, you got the Dokuro-chan theme stuck in my head. (Vance Clarend 10:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 15:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New images for article 

message: :Image:Awalcott.jpg Is used on the playboy page. Without being graphic it clearly demonstrates the erotic aspect of the magazine. Why not try and find a similar image for use here? Carterhawk
LOL at that playboy cheap image:P
Yea...we might need an image similar to that! Because who da hell wants to look at fuusu image, seeing a woman being cummed all over. >:@
:>x<ino 15:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 01:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 14:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sufficiently Representative? 

message: ja:18禁アニメ is the equivalent article in the Japanese wiki. The linked article is about cartoon porn, for those unable to read Japanese; would a kind admin please amend the article? And hadn't anyone noticed that an article named after a Japanese term doesn't have an interwiki to jp? :) --Sam Pointon United FC 23:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very weird --Haham hanuka 20:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ja interwiki 

message: Shouldn't there be a note near the top about Hentai's alternate meaning of metemorphasis (As used in the gamecube game Cubivore)? It's entirely possible that someone might come here trying to find information about that after playing Cubivore or seeing/reading/etc. something else about the metamorphasis meaning.
--the_suicide_forest  03:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I put it in earlier, but someone changed it. 変態 does not mean "strange appearance". Those are the individual meanings of the kanji in the compound. The collective meaning of a compound is generally different from the individual meanings put together; in this case, it means "transformation" or "abberation", and is used in biology to mean "metamorphosis". Note that on interwiki, ja:変態 links to Metamorphosis_(biology).  --Grenadier 19:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a Japanese, live in Japan. I agree with all of Grenadier's explanation. In Japan, we don't use 変態(hentai) to mean "strange appearance". I try to look up 変態(hentai) in my all Japanese dictionaries, but I can't found that kind of meaning. In Japanese dictionary, 変態(hentai) is explained only two meanings, "metamorphosis" as a word of biology, or "perverted/pervert (person)". Note that on interwiki, also ja:変態 (曖昧さ回避) links to Metamorphosis (disambiguation).--60.39.13.3 20:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added some time later: hentai indeed means "metamorphosis." For example, in the film of Rveolutionary Girl Utena there's a scene early on where Touga and Shiori are talking, and the scene shifts to a cabbage butterfly emerging from a cabbage in a field. In a few moments, the butterfly turns into Shiori with wings. To many of my anime-naive friends, the scene is not merely weird, it's absolutely incomprehensible-weird. But not in Japanese: the butterfly is undergoing/has undergone insect metamorphosis (a technical concept in biology) and so Shiori is hentai -- meaning "perverted." It's a visual pun and very effective if you know what hentai actually means. Timothy Perper 18:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Meaning 

message: Can some admin add this picture to this article. I can't because page is locked. --Haham hanuka 20:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 20:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The image seems acceptable at that size, as a thumbnail you can't really see anything too "shocking", but it is there in the image and gives the reader the option of clicking on it and seeing the full sized image.  I would also like to show support for this image being used in it's current form. -- Ned Scott 22:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 01:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 01:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: The uploader of CreamLemonMakoSexySymphonyPart1manga.jpg did not specify where he got the image. Androson 04:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a scan of the manga cover, that is the source.  Sources are not always URLs. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image is unsourced.Androson 05:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you even talking about this here? Put a fair use disputed template on the image if you feel so strongly about it. -- Ned Scott 05:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Image is sourced now. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 01:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It got deleted. -- Ned Scott 23:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 00:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use Issues 

message: You know, the first few days and months I was at Wiki. This article was called H-Anime. What gives changing the name to Hentai!?
Now the H-Anime article is for listing. >x<ino 02:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...I don't know how long you've been here, but according to the history this page was created under this title in 2001. There was a seperate H anime article which now redirects to List of H anime, but it never contained anything other than a short list of titles. Shiroi Hane 09:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 14:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  H-Anime/Hentai 

message: I still haven't sifugred out how to get rid of it all...... Zazaban 15:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FMA vandalism. 

message: I requested semi-protection to limit editing to registered users because of the anonymice blanking or nonsense editing this article. - Jaguara 22:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: In my studies of Japanese language and culture, I have found a strong trend of denial about Japan's cultural flaws and historical excesses. It is well-known in the West that Japan downplays the comfort women episode; that eupmemistic term refers to foreign girls and women enslaved and raped by the Japanese military in WW2. 
Less known is the connection between rape and Geishas: each geisha is raped upon beginning service, I've heard, with her "virginity sold" at a high price. Japanese don't like to talk about this.
Japanese are reluctant to teach Westerners any of their swear words. But I checked a few choice terms with Christian missionaries who are native speakers of Japanese. Yep, Japanese people have words for cunt and cock, et al., with the same connotations that the English terms have. 
Hentai is by no means a Western phenomena. It came to the U.S. from Japan, which has a 'rich' history of pornographic 'art'. Also, the classic Tale of Genji (which I read in translation, sorry, I never mastered kanji) involves a prince named Genji who can rape women with impunity and even kidnaps a little girl and has her raised to become his concubine. 
Let's not censor any of this. --Uncle Ed 15:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. We in the West get to see the best face of Japan. Everyone adores My Neighbor Totoro with the mild, kindly professor and the friendly neighbor lady who took care of the house. But the grittier, more realistic Sen to Chihiro showed the 'fallen nature' of Japanese people in pre-modern times. Is it just me, or did all the female staff in the bath house have slutty expressions on their faces? Anyway, many of the customers were monsters whose excesses were tolerated, and this cartoon movie became the top-grossing film ever in Japan. --Uncle Ed 15:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I note that my changes were reverted on the grounds that they were "original research" and did not contain sources. I will obtain sources and try again later. --Uncle Ed 17:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You know nothing of the Japanese culture or people Uncle Ed. 220.253.22.120 (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese self-concept 

message: Hentai is slang for "perverted" (connoting "strange-desire") meaning any paraphilia.
Ecchi is indeed the letter "H" which stands for the American slang "horny".  If Britain had occupied Japan the word would probably be "R" instead.
As applied to manga and anime, "hentai" still generally refers to types of sexual fantasy which are difficult or impossible to portray with live actors.  Thus, a pin-up magazine in Japan is not considered "hentai" but might be "ecchi."
IMO, traditional Japanese culture did not by our standards overly sensationalize or repress eroticism, leaving sexuality to the realm of the private and individual.  In late modern times these Western categories offered a new exoticism and prurience, as descriptions of foreign sexuality.  The re-exported applications of both of these new concepts are close enough to their original imported meanings.
Vendrov 10:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use and meaning of "hentai" and "ecchi" 

message: I understand that the users most responsible for fleshing out this topic would more than likely be fans of the genre.  However, there is a quote in the abstract for the article that states, "Hentai is a beautiful art."
I, too, believe it is a beautiful art.  I don't find the pictures too grafic and the videos are hott! =) People need to be more open minded.  Everyone always think hentai is so controversal when buying PlayBoy is not.  Just because it is now a drawling of sexual intercourse doesn't mean it is any different. Everyone should give hentai a chance, if you don't like it move on. And if you happen to like it, good for you!
Chairman B. 11:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality. 

message: I suggest semiprotection for this page. It's vandalised almost daily and often more than once a day. And the topic it discusses is prone to vandalism anyway. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 20:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RFPP. // DecaimientoPoético 20:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persistent vandalism 

message: Can someone make a list or people stop complaining about things that were deleted long ago? Allen649 06:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's wrong with this article? 

message: The people who bitched about this article are gone, and no one is "disputing" it.
Allen649 02:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the last tag 

message: The description in yaoi and yuri could confuse the reader into thinking that bishōnen and Bishōjo are contextual to those forms of hentai only and are not just general terms used to describe the sterotype.
Jinnai (talk) 04:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishi 

message: References need to be added to this article. Currently, there are none. I have flagged the article as such. --Vashir (talk) 07:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: If you want to add sources then please do so, don't just tag this article and go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allen649 (talk • contribs) 
http://www.yuribou.net/blog/hentaidic/hentaidic2.htm
There is a reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allen649 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You still need to provide them in the context of the page. Re-tagging article until this condition is met. Please discuss and reach a consensus BEFORE removing the tag. --Vashir (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You will not find sources for hentai! 

message: anyone want to mention how some people (and by that, I mean, the majority) think hentai is really, really fucked up? If you really want to be comprehensive, that's fine, but this article gives the illusion that hentai is perfectly socially accetpable. (The one reference to Japan is not adequate.) And it's not generally considered socially acceptable.
At all.—Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimmC (talk • contribs) 
:Do you know of any reliable published sources that support that view? If so, you can add information with citations to such sources. -- Donald Albury 14:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway while its not considered normal by some people there isnt really much harm in it, its probably less shocking than porn to most and if anyone comments on it being weird you just say 'its japanese' and people just nod ang go 'aaah, i see' because foreigners are allowed to be weird 172.142.250.251 (talk) 22:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Mmmm... I wonder... Is there any porn material "socially acceptable" by "the majority"??? And what do you mean by "fucked up", and how we'd put it in the article? Sspecter (talk) 08:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All these terms that he uses mean nothing, I'm guessing it is his uninformed, inaccurate veiwpoint. Some people (Mostly idiots on forums in my experience, who have little of no idea what they are on about) think it is unnatural, because it's not a real person. They ignore the fact that (apologies for being crude) it doesn't really matter what you jack off to at the end of the day, it doesn't make your hand into whatever you are looking at.  and also, it's not really an issue, is it?  TheDarkFlame (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  both sides of the issue 

message: I noticed that some external links leading to actual hentai sites were removed. While I personally think that wikipedia should 'NOT' link to sites like those as they contain no real value for wikipedia, I question if removing them would constitue as censorship. They may contrubute a little (they let an unfammilure person see for themselves what hentai really is) but is there not a better site that may explain a little about hentai unstead of just pics. 
If I were to see links like this in the future what should be done about them?New Order (talk) 04:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable sites and Censorship 

message: I really don't like this part: 
This may include portrayals of sexual acts which are unacceptable in society, dangerous, physically harmful or realistically impossible (whether because of anatomical extremes or due to the participation of aliens, monsters, and other creatures of fantasy). Examples include extreme bondage, creatures with tentacles, and other fetishes. Shunga artists like Yoshitoshi and Kuniyoshi showed gang rape, erotic crucifixion, and even forced late third-trimester abortions by a "cannibal witch".
It's only that in there, and it's one sided text. Also, there are no references, indicating Original Research? I'm gonna remove it until some more fit description is found. bladez (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph 

message: I feel that somewhere in this section, links should be posted that lead to a list containing every hentai of that sub-genre.
Oh, and since I'm here... well I know this is not a forum but,... are there any hentai with mermaids? Superjustinbros. (talk) 17:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add examples to Classification section 

message: Recently I was listing to the local radio and two people were trying to find out what hentai was, so the first thing they tried to do was look it up on wikipedia. Because the first two paragraphs didn't even say anything about pornographic animation and talk more about what it means in Japan they couldn't understand what it means from the wikipedia page. In fact if the entire article was read from the prospective of someone who has no previous knowledge of what hentai is I would say that a number of people would not be able to understand what it means in America. Considering that this is the English version of wikipedia I think that the article should be focused on what it does mean in America, pornographic animation. I would like to hear what other people think.New Order 20:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Hentai 

message: That image is NOT HENTAI. I will quote the article itself "Hentai is a Japanese word that, in the West, is used when referring to sexually explicit or pornographic comics and animation, particularly Japanese anime, manga and computer games." The image is of a WATER-COLOR PAINTING. The only reason the votes are in favor of it staying is due to perversion.24.184.206.83 (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My point has nothing to do with nudity. Hentai is anime/manga that is sexual. That image was just a water color painting and had nothing to do with hentai at all. 24.184.206.83 (talk) 19:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMAGE 

message: Tohobbes (talk) 19:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  H means ecchi? 

message: Somebody's put HENTAI IS THE BEST FUCKING SHIT IN THE WORLD in the article! I'm going to change it, don't worry.
Dibship (I don't have a tilde key)
:You can use the sig button which appears above every edit box. It looks like this:  ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the heck? 

message: Good information source for this article : A Short History of 'Hentai '  http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue12/mclelland.html
--Gdore (talk) 03:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Why not Paizuri?  That's the commonly known form of hentai.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master Dogma (talk • contribs) 13:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Category 

message: With so much kanji and etymology littered all over this article, you'd think there'd be at least one IPA pronunciation listed... 76.67.110.24 (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  where's the IPA? 

message: Scratching Your H-Itch Mania article on Hentai. 211.30.12.191 (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mania link 

message: I believe a section on criticism and controversy related to hentai would be a good addition. Here's a story related to pornographic depictions of young children in manga. It's interesting to note that Japan enjoys a low per-capita rate of rape. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 17:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Why isn't there any kind of history of hentai in the article that mentions important hentai such as Lolita Anime, Cream Lemon, and Urotsukidōji?  I'll write it myself, but I'd have to do the research first...I'm just kind of puzzled as to why there would be absolutely no history on the subject.
rzrscm (talk) 09:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished...Tell me what you think and suggest additions. rzrscm (talk) 20:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? 

message: right|200px
I'd like to propose that we change the picture to a picture that actually represents the hentai genre, such as a picture from an actual hentai series.  As I see it, the picture that's there is ugly and isn't a good representation of the genre...It's like crudely drawing an album cover and using it on the band's article.  I'd like to propose using the image on the right because we know that it's fair use, and it's from one of the first and most influential hentai series, so it's a good representation the genre.
I'd like to point out that this has nothing to do with the current image being "too explicit".  I don't believe in censorship in any form, and the image really isn't very explicit or offensive (then again, nothing really offends me)...Any 12 year old could draw it in his bedroom after his parents go to bed.  It's simply an ugly image that poorly represents the genre.
rzrscm (talk) 04:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess there's no objection. rzrscm (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

text: One question: How is this image able to illustrate what hentai is about? It's an mere cover of an hentai, but it doesn't illustrate the term itself. As an picture itself it would be much more suitable for Shōjo. If my picture is good or bad shouldn't be the question, sice everyone can have its interpretation if something is visualy appeling to him or not. --Niabot (talk) 11:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I've removed the image as it is in violation of Wikipeida's Non-free content policy. A free image can be created (in fact on already exits) to illustrate the subject of the article, thus casing the non-free image to fail point #1 of the policy. —Farix (t | c) 13:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright...I found the image on another article and checked the license, and it looked okay, so I used it.  This article seems to have an issue with being merely a definition of hentai as a form of pornography, although it's more than that...I've fixed it a little by adding a history section, but I still believe that we need to find a better image to use, and I will continue to look for one. rzrscm (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture replacement 

message: The following paragraph under the 'Classification' section should be modified:
"Hentai that features mainly heterosexual interactions are known as yaoi, and those that feature mainly homosexual interactions are known as yuri. Both yaoi and, to a lesser extent, yuri are generally aimed at members of the opposite sex from the persons depicted."
Both yaoi and yuri depict HOMOsexual interactions, between men and between women, respectively.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister Morris (talk • contribs) 17:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. I think someone was trying to condense the section and got confused. - JRBrown (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: distinction between yaoi and yuri 

message: Wouldn't it be appropriate to mention the ambiguity of the term "seinen manga" somewhere? The term can be used to mean either pornographic or non-pornographic comics, depending on the characters used to writing the term (:ja:青年漫画/:ja:成年漫画). The term is usually only used in one way outside Japan, but both usages are common in Japan. For example, the bookshop BK1 uses the term "seinen comics" (青年コミックス/成年コミックス) for both genres.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.11.156 (talk) 11:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seinen manga 

message: The article states “[t]he term is not often applied to pornography in Japan,” but in the History section doesn’t go on to explain how it came to be used that way in English. —Wiki Wikardo 15:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have to find some sources...The term they use in Japan is "adult anime". rzrscm (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Hentai'' in English 

message: We really need a lot more naked photos, the one we have now is 
ok' but there are a lot hotter ones out there with no copyright on them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.114.227 (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a new photo, and more of them 

message: In accordance with Japanese copyright law, no, I suspect the same is true for the US but I am not an expert. Now, that cover from Mezzo Forte is exactly what I have been asking for, an alternative, reading up on fair use it is at least my impression that we can use covers like that.
Mining the List of hentai anime I have found:
* Aki sora
* Angel (manga)
* Angel Blade
* Angel of Darkness
* Beat Angel Escalayer
* Bible Black
* Boin
* Boku no Pico
* Cream Lemon
* Crimson Climax
* Discipline: Record of a Crusade
* Djibril – The Devil Angel
* Dragon Pink
* Futari Ecchi
* Harukoi Otome
* Hatsuinu
* Heartwork: Symphony of Destruction
* Imōto Jiru
* Kamasutra (manga)
* Kite (film)
* Koihime Musō
* La Blue Girl
* Magic Woman M
* Marine a Go Go
* Mezzo Forte
* Mystery of the Necronomicon
* New Angel
* Night Shift Nurses
* No Money
* Ogenki Clinic
* Perverted Thomas
* Private Psycho Lesson
* Resort Boin
* Sensitive Pornograph
* Slave Doll
* The Rapeman
* Venus 5
* Weather Report Girl
* Welcome to Pia Carrot
All of these articles have images that could be used in the Hentai article. Now, I suggest picking a few of these from various time periods (the earliest I saw I think was early 80;s) and try to get a spread over sub-categories, formats (game, video, etc.), maybe even some of them are more famous (I am in no position to judge that), etc. Judging by the size of the article we should have room for a few, if necessary we should maybe have an image block at the bottom if we really can't provide a coverage by in-lining images.
I want to point out that I still would prefer an artist to try to produce an image somehow encompassing the whole genre, this is due to copyright concerns and not all countries have fair use policies. For these versions of Wikipedia they will be unable to do what we are suggesting here and properly licensed content should if of equal and/or comparable quality and relevance be preferred over what can be provided by arguing for fair-use. -- Dront (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these images can be used in the article as they would violate WP:NFCC #1. They are all fair-use images and a free image is either available or can be created. —Farix (t | c) 11:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's true, why does Pornography not have a free equivalent? I'm betting there are plenty of people with video cameras more than willing to offer some; it's due to accuracy. Hentai is, in its barest form, non-parody video. It's an encompassing term but each subcategory has its own name: (H-)CG, Doujinshi, ecchi, etc. --198.150.224.3 (talk) 19:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't know why it is handled this way inside Pornography. In comparison to other languages it looks way different (:de:Pornographie, :ru:Порнография, ...) and there would be absolutly no reason to use images by fair use. --Niabot (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

text:  Based on the description pages of :File:AN Penny Flame 1.jpg and :File:Holly Sampson - My First Sex Teacher Vol. 18 cover original.jpg, both have been released under CCA-SA 3.0 with c:COM:OTRS checked out, so they are free images. It's a rare case and one that the article takes advantage of. However, that is not the case for the DVD and manga covers listed above. —Farix (t | c) 20:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternatives 

message: Wikipedia's images aren't supposed to be controversial for controversy's sake, but as you can see here there's plenty of controversy going into a purportedly un-controversial picture. --198.150.224.3 (talk) 21:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: One person who refuses to put down the stick is not a controversy, Primetech. And you are not hiding your identity by switching between your account and your IP address. —Farix (t | c) 21:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The people asking for more pictures, or no picture, aren't me. Sorry I move around a private network.  A bunch of fappers isn't a democracy either. We all have our faults. --Primetech 21:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been the only one who has been asking for the remove of the current image and wanting to add a bunch of non-free images. As for your "fappers" comment, I'll remind you that we take WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL very seriously and that you refrain from such comments in the future. —Farix (t | c) 23:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

text: becuz it's okay to offend people as long as it's not a user. Lol hypocrisy? But I get you, as long as people nod their heads (sic) up and down to what you want done, it's all well and good. Because I'm sure the only people who edit this page, already have a strong obsession with hentai anyway. Sorry to try to bring a little evenness on this in a so-called improper way. I'll be more... helpful in the near future. Primetech 13:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has a policy that editors should not engage in personal attacks on other editors. Calling other editors "flappers" and claiming they have a "strong obsession with hentai" because they support the existing image are a personal attacks. This has nothing to do with offense. —Farix (t | c) 13:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, the term was "fappers," meaning people who enjoy masturbating to said material. Flappers would suggest you're a bit dated and twenties-ish. Maybe instead I should say that undue bias is given to those who aren't offended by pornographic material to begin with. Showing this page to the "average person" generally elicits either offense or a general "I can't believe Wikipedia..." in most of the cases I show it to someone else. --Primetech 14:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is no more offensive than those on sexual intercourse and other topics relating to sex and pornography. It should not be any surprise that articles in this subject area will contain images that some may find offensive because of the prudish viewpoints. —Farix (t | c) 14:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *gasp* Was that a personal attack? Again though, in order to find that you'd have to float through "sex" first and realize it's not dirty enough for you before continuing on to that. Either way, even the un-prudish see this article to be a joke (unargued by you). So your refusal to change the article even though change has been requested and controversy continuously raised (before me, see the archives), means the page stagnates at its low status. Primetech 14:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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replies: text: It has already been kept.--76.66.188.209 (talk) 03:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:Hentai - yuuree-redraw.jpg Nominated for Deletion 

message: I think most people can put two and two together. Hentai is pornographic anime. The picture is not representative of Hentai.
Hentai is often very sadistic and the girls faces usually border between looking like they are  in extreme pain or are extremely ashamed.
Since the pictures causes a lot of controversy why have a picture anyways? There is no drawing for the article on Yaoi. Just a picture
of a yaoi section at a comics store. Why not do the same here? take a picture of the adult anime section of a video store in Japan town San
Francisco? If anyone wants to see what Hentai looks like they just have to google it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.11.51 (talk) 12:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely disagree that hentai is often "very sadistic", because a lot of it isn't...I do agree that the current image isn't a good representation of hentai in the least, although I disagree that this article shouldn't have an image.  I'd rather it have no image than the image it has, but my past attempt to replace it was a failure...The "artist" is just too proud of his/her unauthentic, uninspired work to allow it to be replaced or removed.  However, I could talk with some Japanese artists about allowing their work to be displayed on the article when I have the time or search around for some photography of an anime shop selling hentai and ask the photographer to allow it to be used. rzrscm (talk) 01:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The artist(s) would have to do more than allow the image(s) to be displayed in Wikipedia. You would have to get the artist(s) to license their work for free distribution with no commercial restrictions (such as CC-BY-SA) or release it to the public domain. Many artists balk at giving up royalties and/or control over how the images are used. -- Donald Albury 12:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

text:  Lol, hentai not sadistic? You obviously haven't seen 99% of the hentai out there. Not ecchi, hentai. Seen guro? Bukkake? Rape? These things, and worse, tend to be a mainstay of the most popular hentai out there. Defending anime by saying it's not all hentai is one thing, but defending hentai by saying a lot of it isn't "sadistic" is pretty misleading to the genre. But it might depend on your opinion of sadism. --198.150.224.3 (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

text:  You're judging all hentai by one standard? Look, some hentai is sadistic, but not all of it. That's like saying that all porn (live action stuff with actual people) is rape or is otherwise violent. There's a lot of hentai that isn't considered to be violent or sadistic by even the most strict of standards. The sadistic stuff exists but it's not the majority of the genre. Believe it or not, that stuff isn't as big of a thing as you think it is. It gets noticed more because it tends to be more extreme, thus getting more attention, but for every violent or otherwise sadistic hentai (video, game, manga, or what have you) there's about 5-10 normal ones (consensual sex). Tokyogirl79 (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

text:  So Japan is very liberal with sex-related topics. They're naturally going to have more BDSM among other kinky fetishes that obviously sells in the market (otherwise, there would be no reason why people see so much of it). Exaggerating with that 99% figure isn't gonna go anywhere. However, the connection between Hentai and BDSM and other kinky fetishes, is like the connection between apples and the color red. Nowhere on an apple does it say that it has to be red, since there are green apples out there. Green apples are still apples despite not being red. They just happen to go together from time to time, so something being both pornographic and in a Japanese art style, doesn't imply anything kinky. There's no implication written anywhere. If for some reason we need a pornographic image to show what hentai is, the current image is just fine, though I'm not a person who's too fond of asburdly large breasts. 24.16.204.246 (talk) 00:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Something non-explicit would be no hentai and be misleading. In case of an non-explicit image it would be considered ecchi, which is not identical to hentai. --Niabot (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I think it does neet a picture. Why pornography article doesn't have it explicitly? Because all can guess what it is. Everyone can imagine and realize pornography by itself, even looking your own body. But something like Hentai isn't intuitive. I know it because I know people having problems realizing what it really is. While every person on the world knows what a genital is, there are countries for example where cartoon pornography doesn't exist, or even can't imagine what it is. Plus, it's characteristic enough to be notable, it's an enormous industry in Japan and has great controversy overseas. Its graphically different to simple artistic art or cartoon pornography, so an illustration contributes to the information of the article. Non explicit wouldn't be relevant for the article, and being "too explicit" is not a matter for wikipedia. WP is not censored not prepared for minors. pmt7ar (talk) 14:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, if it was not explicit it would not be an accurate representation of the subject. It would be like not having a picture of a kiss on the Kiss article because someone did not want to see people kiss. Granted, that is less explicit than this but the point is that neither article would have a picture that properly represents the subject if we did that.  Also as mentioned earlier a non-explicit picture would be more relevant for Ecchi than here.--76.66.188.209 (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't see the need. We already have WP:DISC. There are thousands of articles with pictures on the header that could be more shocking to some than this one. pmt7ar (talk) 04:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it from both sides to be honest. I think of it as a PR thing, how will someone whose first experience with wikipedia is through this page? They will think we are full of smut and forever have a negative association. I also see it as a free speech issue because I do not believe the internet should be censored. My idea may not be following the norm, but it's simply an idea meant to try and bring the two ends of the argument together. It's out there, do as you all please with it. Chris (talk) 04:42, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Would most people that start out on Wikipedia check out an article on Hentai first? I would think a first time user would more likely look for something more mainstream and not accidentally stumble into this article with no idea of what to expect. Most likely the vast majority of people looking this up would already have a good idea of what hentai is and would likely have already been exposed to some previously. I don't think this is a significant enough problem to warrant removal of the picture.--76.66.188.209 (talk) 18:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Never mind, I actually went to that article, and it does have imagery of Yaoi. Nevertheless, I'd still like to stand by the argument that what happens at Yaoi happens at Yaoi, and has no place here. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Does Not Need a Photo 

message: I've added the  edit notice, which will display any time someone edits the article. —Farix (t | c) 23:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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comicbooks sold in Japan 002.jpg Nominated for deletion
Perhaps it should be removed or replaced? Also, it is on the bad image list. 68.195.21.220 (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it should be renamed? After a quick look i can ensure you that less then 5% of the works would fall under lolicon. Lolicon isn't even illegal in itself. But regarding the deletion request: I can't see any good reason for a deletion. It isn't a copyright violation since every part is de minimis. This also concludes that there isn't any good reason to remove it from the article. --Niabot (talk) 23:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Except nobody CARES about the bad image list. The only thing that makes Wikipedia churn is the idea they can use this stuff without getting the banhammer thrown at them by the FBI.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.7.179 (talk) 06:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nobody at the FBI would have a problem with this image, because it is perfectly legal. I took my time and was going through all the covers. There is only a few small covers, which are barely identifiable, which could be considered to meat the criteria of lolicon. But since none of this images shows actual sexual intercourse they aren't even to be considered pornography and would additionally fall under artistic artworks. --Niabot (talk) 08:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image nominated for deletion