Talk:Carpetbagger

message: The first part seems a little embittered and anti-Northerner
As a rejoinder: The term "carpetbagger" is anti-Northerner by its very existence. It was created by Southerners to disparage Northerners who did move south to take advantage (in the neutral sense) of the Reconstruction-era political situation.
The article makes use of the external point of view ("perceived by Southerners") and certainly doesn't seem "bitter" to me. The actual diction itself might leave a little to be desired - it reads a bit like an 8th-grader's book report on the term - but I don't see the un-neutral aspect of term.
Seems pretty neutral to me Rrreese 10:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: embittered

message: This should be two articles: one on the history of the term; the other on Republicans in the South, 1865-1876. The implication that carpetbagger is a fair description of Tourgée or Morgan (in the same sense it was used of Alan Keyes, for example) is unavoidably POV  Septentrionalis 22:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: should be two articles

message: Undoubtedly the term was first used as an insult, but many carpetbaggers, including Tourgee, embraced it (Tourgee once said that Jesus Christ was a carpetbagger), and we are now stuck with it.  What else does one call "Northern Republicans living in the South during Reconstruction"?  An analogy might be to the members of the Industrial Workers of the World.  "Wobbly" was a term someone else gave them; it is now accepted by virtually everyone.  I believe "Mormon" has a similar history.
:Thanks, I think you have found a fix. Septentrionalis 22:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign with 4 ~'s, even if you don't have an account; it makes discussion easier to follow. Septentrionalis 22:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: the term was first used...

message: The basic issue with this article is that it violates central tenets of Wikipedia: verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research.
Not one alleged fact in this article is sourced. Historiography is crucial for the credibility of this article. A brief bibliography does not substitute for sourcing within the article. 
Wikipedia has standards. They are not being enforced here. This is not a whim. It is policy. This page will be flagged for the absence of specific citations. Citing sources will be a service to readers, especially student readers who will know that we enforce policy against sloppy research techniques.  Skywriter 02:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: After 1960 the neoabolitionist school emphasized their moral courage.
Foner et al. does a lot more than emphasize moral courage, and so I am taking it out until a more complete explanation is available. Skywriter 16:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Foner

message: To claim that all of these were replaced by Yanks is misleading.
Usage of this figure should be cited, and should be qualified that accurate figure is not known. Further, northerners did not fill all of the jobs in southern government. Many if not most were filled by other Southerners including blacks and whites native to the region. Skywriter 16:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 10,000-15,000 Confderate disenfranchised

message: Why is Furbush being called a carpetbagger(definition: Yankee). This article says Furbush was born in Kentucky. Is there a citation for this material? Thanks. Skywriter 06:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Historian Wintory calls Furbrush (in the title): "African-American Carpetbagger" .. Note that Wintory himself helped edit this section.  Rjensen 07:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furbrush was from Ohio, and that makes him a carpetbagger (Kentucky where he was a small child of course was a Union state too). The fact he had been to Liberia shows he had travelled widely. The section is based on a major article in a scholarly journal, which very explictly says he was a Carpetbagger. But there is an interesting point: what about someone who moves from South Carolina to Texas. I supposethat person was called a scalawag. Rjensen 17:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Furbush was born in Kentucky, but several sources say he received his education in Ohio (see my Ark. Historical Quarterly article). I haven't found any other connections to Kentucky except that he was born there. It appears that by the time he was an adult he was living in Ohio and working as a photographer--and taking pics of Union soldiers and local women.  I concluded that he had strong Northern connections--he established a family there...has children buried there.  How do you classify a former slave from a non-Confederate state, who was educated in the North and travels from there to a Confederate state to establish a business and fill political offices?  --Bwintor 18:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Furbush?

message: I added links to an entry I wrote for the Encyc. of Ark. History & Culture on Arkansas carpetbagger D. P. Upham, as well as a link to Ark's carpetbagger Gov., Powell Clayton.--Bwintor 16:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Figures if they ovoted for tahat communist who married a yankee!(Lihaas (talk) 06:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arkansas additions 

message: Our first sentence here claims that Reconstruction started in 1865. As any serious historian notes, Reconstruction started at least in 1863 with Lincoln's 10% plan and 1864's subsequent Wade-Davis bill. These two examples clearly demonstrate that major Civil War era politicians were considering plans for Reconstruction during the war. One could even argue that Reconstruction started in 1861 with the Sea Isles experiments off South Carolina. At any rate, to mark the start of Reconstruction from the end of the Civil War is largely off base. I'm not going to change the date until we at least have some discussion about it, but this needs to be corrected. 66.10.167.1 05:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect Reconstruction dats 

message: Hello,
If you know anything of this topic please write it down. This page had been vandalized and if you can be of service that would be much obliged.
Thank you,
MR.X  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.76.227 (talk) 03:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And perhaps you could enlighten us to the "real" reasons of the Iraqi occupation.  In order to be more ridiculously cliched, you should have written this: That's like saying the Iraq Occupation is for something else other than oil.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.101 (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalization 

message: On page 290 of the chapter "Reconstruction and Expansion" of "The Human Interest Library, vol 3, "Our Country in Romance," it says that carpet-baggers were the ku klux klan. Or were called as such by the Southerners. It describes the KKK as a secret society to "protect" whites from Negroes who fight against whites back then; it does not say this in support of the KKK, as it originally describes them disparagingly.
:This is totally wrong. The carpetbaggers and the KKK were on opposite sides and struggled against each other. I'm not saying the carpetbaggers were perfect but they were working for equal rights for the blacks while the KKK was trying to suppress the black people. Jaque Hammer (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Human Interest Library 

message: The article says this term was given to "opportunistic" northerners who moved to the South. But was it given only to people who were opportunistic or to all "invading" northerners? Were there not northerners who moved south with good intentions to help in the rebuilding? I'm concerned the article gives the impression that everyone who moved south was a carpetbagger and that all carpetbaggers were sleazy opportunists. Is that fair and accurate? Freakshownerd (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I have again [removed an extensive section on Rockefeller. This time, there was a source (Dr. Allen H. Loughry II, Don't Buy Another Vote, I Won't Pay for a Landslide, McClain Printing Company. 2006, pg 160). However, the only use of the term "carpetbagger" in that source occurs on page 77 (not page 160). In context, the usage is not referring to Rockefeller as a carpetbagger, rather it is a quote from Justice Warren McGraw referring to "preventing the abuses and self-dealing of the 'carpetbaggers' of the Reconstruction period" in reference to WV's 1872 constitution. Rockefeller was born in 1937. The quote has nothing to do with him.
This issue falls under our policy on biographies of living persons. To refer to Rockefeller as a "carpetbagger" here, we would need {WP:RS|reliable sources]] referring to him as such. As an alternative, if we had a reliable source quoting someone quite significant or notable calling him a "carpetbagger", we might find a place for the claim in Jay Rockefeller. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Rockefeller 

message: Seems a bit strage to me, as an Australian i have never heard the term used in this context. I dont think it should be inlcuded simply because one person happened to use it in an article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.69.48.80 (talk) 02:26, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Usage? 

message: There was opposition to the Jews who came over. TYhat needs mention here. Heres some prelim refs (Lihaas (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not add anything from rense.com as it is certainly not a reliable source in any sense. In addition to failing our guidelines, it's a conspiracy theory site: the government controls weather patterns, Obama is secretly dying, unemployment in the U.S. is secretly at 37%, etc. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews 

message: In the "Economic motives" section there is the following:
There is a quotation mark missing here. Probably some of them should be single because they're nested. Unfortunately, without access to the source (Foner, Eric. Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863–1877 (1988), p. 137. Harper & Row) I don't know how to resolve the problem. The relevant page isn't available on Google Books. Hairy Dude (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit request: Need access to source 

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message: After an inexhaustive search through Nation of Nations: A Concise Narrative of the American Republic by Davidson et al., I could not find clarifying information about the "[s]ixty men" who were elected to Congress, as mentioned in the lead. In hopes that someone might have better luck than me, I've added a when? tag instead of deleting the passage. Jodapop (talk) 23:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  When ("Sixty men from the North")