Talk:Rage Against the Machine/Archive 1

message: Regardeing the genre: Whether you like it or not, RATM was one of the major pioneers of rapcore and they did fuse rap, rock and metal elements. Calling them "rock" is not specific, Rapcore is the genre they pioneered and most of their music was as well. It clearly says ont he front page they were noted for blending those 3 genres. Please, whoever is, stop changing the genre. RAPCORE is the best term for it (which covers Rap / Alternative Rock & Metal) 
RAGE ISN'T RAP AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's Hard Rock
 -rage isn;t RAP, but RAPCORE (metal/rock/hardcore with hip hop elements).
;;;
:::.....core this core that.... The terms rapcore and nu-metal didn't even exist back in 1991 when rage began performing their early work, so what was it called then? I can positively say ratm would never acknowledge the term rapcore as a descriptive label for their music as it is synonymous to all the other 'cores' out there - over used and ill defined. have a quick read of the rapcore page to see what I mean. To say they were a hybrid of the 3 genres would be more justifiable.
- If the genre existed or not isn't really relevant. You can say that they invented the genre. But they aren't metal at all, according to Encyclopaedia Metallum, and most sane people.--193.90.59.237 17:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: The album "Live & Rare" is not an official album.
Actually, it was a Japanese import that was comprised of bootlegs.  I am not sure if Rage agreed to its sale, but it was published by Sony so I'm certain it's legit. 12.77.119.31 01:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  live & rare unofficial

message: Is it Rage Against the Machine, or Rage Against The Machine?
I know Artist Direct] has it lower case. —BenFrantzDale 15:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Words like 'the' and 'an' etc etc in titles/names/blah are never capitalized.
Well that's an interesting question.  Rage Against the Machine is often referred to as RATM, as oppopsed to RAM, which would be grammatically correct.  If this is true, the T in "the" should be capitalized.  -evrythingsgoingdown
Part of the reason it is reffered to as RATM is becuase RAM is already taken by Random Access Memory, and RAM is itself a word.  I personally use RAtM, even though it looks it kind of funny. Chris3145 05:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Rage Against the Machine is RAtM because "Words like 'the' and 'an' etc etc in titles/names/blah are never capitalized" ~Christophe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.85.219.15 (talk) 18:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The - the 

message: I've searched the NYSE site, and the rest of the web and the incident during the recording of the "Sleep Now in the Fire" is only covered on music/fan/promotional websites. There is no record of the stock exchange closing an hour early - except on Michael Moore's blog  - so I'm removing the comment about "dramatic financial consequences". Added attribution for the incident from MTV news - appears to have been the only news network to cover it. Shame because it's a great story :) --Dilaudid 02:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the video "At 2:52pm, in the middle of the trading day, the Stock Exchange was forced to close it's doors. No money was harmed".--85.210.58.16 01:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I too am interested in the NYSE incident and also haven't found an official news source reporting on it.  UK's The Guardian mentions it in an article about Michael Moore  and it was also mentioned in a CNN program (transcript ) by Michael Moore and Tom Morello.  It's in some music news, but it seems unusual that it isn't elsewhere as well. --71.113.225.164 16:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the largest stock exchange in the world. A million people watch the prices that tick through it, all news networks cover it in every western country. 23 trillion dollars are invested in it. It's reputation rests upon it being relied on not to lie. If the 4 members of RATM plus Michael Moore had been able to overpower the thousands of traders that work on the floor and stop trading it would have been a major news event across the world. As it stands, it's an excellent video. --Dilaudid 11:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're really keen to get this information further verified - why not add it to the main NYSE article, or ask on the talk page there? That's where I got most of my stats too by the way --Dilaudid 11:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The reference, if it is true, shows by omitting any mention of RATM-associated closure, that no such event occurred, supporting the claim. You may argue that the source is unreliable, or that it is not comprehensive, but not that it does not support the claim cited. Skomorokh incite 01:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that, by omitting any mention of this incident, the document supports the claim that trading continued uninterrupted.  However, the rest of the sentence that bears the reference has to do with the doors closing and the band being escorted away from the Exchange by security.  Perhaps the paragraph should simply be reworded in such a way that the reference and its referent are unambiguously related? Cww 01:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, you could split the referenced and unreferenced claims into separate sentences, or simply add  tags to the punctuation marks after the unreferenced claims within the sentence. Be bold! Skomorokh incite 09:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done.  Hopefully. :) Cww 01:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYSE 

message: Describing rage as rap metal or nu metal isn't informative unless either the term is defined, or the reader clicks the link and reads about the genre.  I think Rage fits into both genres just fine, and the nu metal article is much more informative, so I think that in the intro paragraph, the link should be nu metal. Smmurphy 19:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I personallly think that Rage Against The Machine is rap metal at 75% (vocals) and funk metal at 25% (rhythms). They cannot be classified as nu metal for two main reasons: their career has begun prior to the nu metal breakthrough, and this genre doesn't have only hip hop influences. Egr, 15/5/2006
RATM were by no doubt a massive influence on Nu Metal, but they're not part of the genre. Because its hard to put in them in a specific genre, i think Alt. Metal is the best to describe them, as well as Rap metal. They are metal, its clear from listening to their earlier material.
Too funky for metal, too metal for funk. Hard to say which they are. Anyhow, they're not Nu-Metal as they're missing a number of hallmarks of the Nu-Metal genre; RAtM have guitar solos, however unconventional; they don't down tune (they drop-tune - and even then not on all songs - which is slightly different from downtuning); while they're lyrics could certainly be described as angtsy they're not 'Nu-Metal' angtsy. I would personally describe them as a Hip-Hop/Alt. Rock amalgam.
Alt. Metal
They play in the punk-derived alternative music tradition, so they're alternative rock. They combine alternative rock songwriting with metal's "heavy"/"hard" aggression, so they're alternative metal. They fuse funk into their style of alternative metal, so they're funk metal. They combine rock and rap, so they're rapcore. ~Switch t c g 06:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rap metal or nu metal 

message: Anyone have photos of rage in public domain or GNUFD from all the Wiki's?. --Oscar 23:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos? 

message: The version of the page I corrected was horribly POV and grossly unencyclopedic.  Versions prior to mid-November are more neutral, and I would suggest that a version of the page from that time be restored.  WesleyDodds 04:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore older version of page 

message: can someone cite their sources for the music videos, because i could not find them after searching the web. by music video, do you mean tape performance on dvd, or actual music video like they would show on MTV or something else?
try yahoo music
Or YouTube, they have pretty much every music video by almost every artist.
(Blastdude 20:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: YouTube periodically removes most RATM videos, but they get put back up TheTrojanHought 21:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music videos?

message: i have a RATM album called burn yourself alive, which i wasn't sure if it was even for real, but found out it appears in both CDDB and freedb and on the net. i think it sould be added. any comments in the subject? --UVnet 03:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: seems to be an inofficial concert bootleg. it can be downloaded at ratm.de like several others (legally?). they list the album as "BURNING YOURSELF ALIVE 1-13 various dates in europe, 14 Mark Goodier sessions around 1993". i don't think the album deservses special mentioning, or do i miss s.th.?--Johnnyw 03:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  burn yourself alive 

message: Where should "Darkness" fit in to the discography?  Not a RATM album obviously, not a single (that I know of).  Always seems like this is a forgotten song of sorts..."Killing in the Name"'s page lists its inclusion as an "unreleased track" in 1999, for example. Tarc 04:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears on Live & Rare, so there's not really a problem. It's listed. Their other unreleased tracks, like the untitled Tool collaboration colloquially known as "(You Can't Kill the) Revolution", which was never heard except as an unfinished leaked track, and their unrecorded covers (eg. "Clampdown", The Clash), are more problematic, but as they never saw the light of day
I guess they're not noteworthy. --Switch 12:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having read a bit about it somewhere, the Tool collaboration was actually supposed to be part of the soundtrack for Judgment Night (film). Oh, it's actually mentioned in the WP article! Johnnyw talk 12:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an interview with Morello online somewhere where he talks about it - that could be used as a cite. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 05:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: There are indeed quite a few songs little known even to the biggest fans (Autologic for one example), a section about this should definetely be made. I'm far too busy right now to do it myself..someone should find out some info on the song "Producer", which as far as I know is live only, but is an excellent track.--Sean.ridgeley 00:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the contribution to the Crow soundtrack? 

message: Someone who reads flem regularly should post a point where the "testify" event happens Jackpot Den 19:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.flemcomics.com/d/20020916.html does this count as one, and how can i put it on? Jackpot Den 23:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flem

message: Propose: Merge Vietnow with Rage against the machine. it doesn't deserve its own page.
Slasher600 03:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge vietnow 

message: Did RATM ever formally articulate their political beliefs (like in liner notes, or on their website)? did they name a specific ideology e.g. anarcho-syndicalism? heqs 06:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but the reading list they distributed (still available on the Rage Against the Machine DVD) included What is Communist Anarchism?, so it's fairly certain that as a group they were some form of libertarian socialists. Morello described himself as "a socialist". Zack's history with punk rock suggest he might be an anarchist, but that's largely going on stereotypes. --Switch 15:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me crazy, but the title of the book strikes me as espousing communist anarchism moreso than libertarian socialism. heqs 06:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I dare say it is. As communist anarchism is a form of libertarian socialism, I think my statement is still a safe bet. --Switch 04:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone just changed the reference to revolutionary socialism to "revolutionary political philosophy" which I feel is a more NPOV characterization. The members of RATM are pretty independent thinking dudes, it's unlikely they subscribe en masse to one ideology. I say leave the description vague in the lead and add verified detailed descriptions, if such things exist, in the politics section. Skomorokh incite 17:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Morello has said himself he is a nonsectarian socialist (though he's also identified as Marxist and anarchist at other times I believe), so "their ideology" is pretty sketchy. As an aside, I can't find Morello ever saying "I am an anarchist/Marxist", but I can find him talking about having said those things. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 02:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  politics 

message: I looked for a citation for the reference to a speech by Karl Marx, but I couldn't find a speech in which he told workers to "rage against the machine", though there's a a chapter in "Das Kapital" that sounds like he might have said something like that. The edit that added the reference to Marx is the only edit by an anonymous user.
I'm also wondering whether, even if the Marx reference is correct, the name might also be a reference to Mario Savio's seminal "machine" speech in Sproul Plaza, the video of which certainly brings to mind "rage against the machine".
Does anyone have reliable information on the origin of the name? If not, perhaps there should just be a list of things that the name *might* refer to. Joriki 14:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: anybody who would care to research the subject would find out that "Rage Against the Machine" was going to be the name of Inside Out's second album (Inside Out was the Hardcore band that Zack was in before rage).69.218.199.100 09:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of the name 

message: that "Rage Against the Machine" is a phrase that Marx used in a speech. Couldn't find it at marxists.org or the MarX-Files; I guess it depends on translation, but it sounds a little fanciful to me, and it doesn't appear in these searches through all his writings and speeches. 151.204.61.230 14:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed the claim 

message: can someone backup the thing about bill hicks at his last performance shouting "fuck you i wont do what you tell me"?
 66.41.59.162 22:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that he shouted it at his final performance, but I do know that one of his CDs ends with Killing In The Name playing over the PA (he frequently ended performances by having a song played over the PA, usually something by Jimi Hendrix). - Ecksem Diem 17:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm near positive it wasn't at his final performance (there are a ton of Bill Hicks bootlegs mislabeled as being his last performance, I think partly due to the fact that around that period he was often telling his audience that the given show was his last show..I think this was some kind of joke, or perhaps he meant it to say that it was his last show for that particular audience, before his death), but I can verify that he did utilize the song in at least one performance. You can see it here. The part where he pretends to smash the fruit is a reference to an earlier part of the show where he's making fun of another comedian who did the same thing. Bill was definetely a Rage fan, there's a humorous interview with his friend/producer Kevin Booth who talks about Bill being a fan.--Sean.ridgeley 23:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yo. ~ Switch (✉✍☺☒) 06:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the one.--Sean.ridgeley 01:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Hicks 

message: In the DVD's section, under The Battle of Mexico City, it claims that Zapata's Blood is a cover.  This doesn't seem very likely, since Rage was extremely supportive of the Zapatista movement, which the song is about, and I have yet to see another band who openly supports them.  If it is a cover, could somebody please tell me who wrote it?  (and if it isn't, somebody please change it and say it isn't a cover) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.34.220.69 (talk • contribs) .
:Dont believe its a cover, though there is a line in the live CD version that Zack says is a Zapatista saying..perhaps that is the source of the confusion. --Sean.ridgeley 23:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Acutally, allmusic.com credits the song to De la Rocha and RATM, so I changed it.. --Johnnyw talk 19:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapata's Blood 

message: Half of the references that are supposedly a nod to the band don't give off any notification as to why they are a reference to the band or just a reference to the phrase. The list needs to be revised. --- Xephyrwing 17:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References in popular culture

message: anyone seen this? http://www.cosmicdynamo.com/zdlrnet/ It mentions a RATM reunion but the link doesn't work... Interesting..
The link just showed Tom and Zach posing with some fan, and both of them were smiling. That's all.
:Looks like an empty or outdated fansite looking for some fake attention. Not one of the links on the site works. The Car 08:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible reunion 

message: I have changed the statement that says that Killing in the Name is rumoured to be in Guitar Hero II.
It has now been confirmed to be in the game.
74.234.10.23 23:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitar Hero II

message: Could we discuss what genres Rage should be put in--preferably with reference to some source outside our own instinctive knowledge of musical genres--rather than edit warring? Nareek 12:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war 

message: I am not sure why there were two reference sections.  One was in the middle of the article.  I combined the two at the bottom.  – Heaven's Wrath   Talk  02:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two reference sections? 

message: Before it was converted into a table, the singles had additional information in the "Singles" section, about soundtrack appearances and the like. Is it possible for someone who knows more about the code to add another column for that kind of information to the table? -Switch 03:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -Switch 05:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single information 

message: I was bold and changed the intro from "leftist beliefs" to "revolutionary socialist beliefs". I think it's pretty hard to contend that they were not revolutionary socialists in some sense of the word, whether it's left communism or anarchism or anything else. Feel free to revert and start up a debate though, if you disagree or think the less specific term is better. -Switch t 11:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Revolutionary socialist" 

message: Anyone here read Kerrang!? RATM's reunion is the cover story for this month, and if anyone could cite the claims currently in the article, that would be good. ~Switch t 03:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Kerrang!''

message: I know it's vague and arbitrary, but I'm hoping for this article to be good enough for a GA nom by the time of the reunion concert. To that effect, I've just cited a whole lot of stuff, and removed some uncited stuff. There's still some stuff in there - like a quote or two from Tom Morello, and Brad Wilk's Modern Drummer interview - that still needs citing though. The major change was an overhaul of the section on Zack's solo career. Anyway, lend a hand if you get the time. Once it's well cited, we can rebuild it into a better layout and go about that GA nom. ~Switch t c g 04:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing Sources 

message: In light of recent vandalism, I have requested this page be semi-protected.Skomorokh 20:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism and protection 

message: Does anybody know why it there was a 4 year gap in between Rage Against the Machine and Evil Empire? It seems like it should be mentioned.  03:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album release gaps 

message: does anyone else think there should be a page for tire me? i mean they won a grammy for it....
:It has an article, and it's linked now. It wasn't before because it was in the Discography section before that was spun off. When that section was spun off, the sings below weren't linked. They have been now. ~Switch t c g 07:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tire Me 

message: Can the information for the album, "Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium" be put on here? Seeing as it was published by Sony back in 2003. (November 21, to be exact).
Jeddeh 19:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium 

message: Is Rage Against the Machine playing at Ozzfest this year? The System 3000 03:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Morello says only the Coachella and Rock The Bells concerts are planned - there are no others yet, and may never be. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 01:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, okay. That's cool. I was addressing The System. It's a pity that (according to what their site says) "Rage Against The Machine will appear at the three aforementioned dates only." :( Still, that makes at least 5 shows including Coachella and the acoustic set with only Tom and Zack. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 07:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, are they? The System 3000 15:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[RATM]] Ozzfest 

message: I added a 'Wilk and Commerford' subsection to this section which was subsequently integrated by User:SwitChar into the Audioslave section for being a once-off. If, as the article currently suggests, the Puscifer work was their only non-Audioslave post-Rage work, this would seem reasonable, but I seem to recall reading about other Maynard James Keenan related performances, work on the The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys soundtrack, as well as the pair recently laying down drum'n'bass of their own with no intention of adding guitar/vox. Am I imagining this? Does anyone have sources that confirm or refute these supposed projects?–Skomorokh 09:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not finding anything on it on the 'net. But I'm certainly not finding any evidence that it didn't happen. If any sources confirming it can be found a new section can be written up for them. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 11:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Rage work 

message: What he actually said was "...they should be hung and tried and shot" (notice order of actions). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rzudm0t1DY (at about 5:29)
Wikivarun 20:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Are IRC, MySpace, and YouTube reliable sources? for the rationale behind YouTube not being used as a reliable source. Published news articles on the other hand are reliable sources. We should go with what MTV's article says. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 08:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I clearly stated to you when I reverted it that it was already mentioned on the page. If you read the article you will clearly find this out. Most of your section is not irrelevant, but redundant. It's all already there, why add the same thing twice? Wikidan829 05:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: See the last sentence of the third paragraph here to see that someone beat you to the punch. Wikidan829 05:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coachella Quote 

message: Is there any news on RATM reforming since Coachella finshed? Now that Chris Cornell has left Audioslave, surely they will be considering it? Gus 80.193.211.68 14:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post Coachella 

message: :Image:RAtM-BattleofLosAngeles.jpeg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:RAtM-BattleofLosAngeles.jpeg

message: :Image:RATM Logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:RATM Logo.png

message: Can anyone else verify this as well?
:no i did this and cleared my cookies and cache and restarted the browser and it still counts down the same way (i.e. still says that theres XX days/hours/mins left). i'm removing the info from the article until someone can back up the claim (and even then it would be considered "Original Research" so... yeah).68.255.229.29 16:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just tried to remove this and it told me that the database is currently locked from editing for maintenance... or something like that.68.255.229.29 16:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can verify that it does indeed change the site.  It says "August 24th, Alpine Valley" and that tickets will be on sale at 10am 6/16.  I'd be happy to take a screenshot of it and upload it if you'd like. FireC 07:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turning PC Clock forward does not alter RATM countdown site 

message: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RMIXXC/002-1595201-2567220
That link suggests a new album, to be released at the end of August, titled "Lowdown". Has this been confirmed anywhere else? 213.218.244.201 12:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AllMusicGuide, VH1 and others list it as a video/compilation. I wouldn't expect to see a new album release that soon anyways, so keep your cool ;) I adapted the article accordingly.. --Johnnyw talk 13:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This is just a "biography and interview" disc. Similar ones are coming out for Tool (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000R348M6) and NIN (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000R4S6K0). --Blukens 13:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Album??? 

message: I've just imported a singles box from the Spanish featured article into the Discography section that flagrantly contradicts the navigational template at the bottom. Does anyone know an authoritative source for which singles were released when? Skomorokh incite 19:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles timeline 

message: am i the only person disturbed by the naked photo in the article. I mean its an article and not very appropriate for this site
:Wikipedia is not censored. Read the content disclaimer. ~ Switch (✉✍☺☒) 07:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not as if the picure is showing a sexual act, all it is is four naked men on stage. Look about the site, and you'll find many other pictures. How people can be offended by the sight of the human body is beyond me. ≈ The Haunted Angel 14:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can be offended with the human body. I wouldn't want to see my neighbors naked. That would offend anybody. Anyways, though I could care less if the image was on the article or not, it really doesn't inform us much. All I get out of it is "RATM stood naked somewhere," not, "Oh wow, look at these people and their political beliefs." There really is no point to it in the article. IronCrow 03:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  To cause offence is the whole point of the image and their act of protest. DevAnubis 07:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Nude art is fine, this is not. Wonder why......its bands like this that point out such hypocrisy in this crazy ass world we live in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roguestate (talk • contribs) 18:25, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
So your saying the image is in the article with the sole purpose of it being to "cause offence"? In that case it should certainly be removed - and I am going to do so. --LeakeyJee 04:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Allow me to make this very clear. 
#The image is of a notable incident in the history of the subject of this article. 
#No suitable alternative images to depicting this incident are available.
#A censored version of the image would not be a suitable alternative because it would not depict the incident accurately.
#As the incident was of an entirely visual nature, removing the image would cause the article to be less informative. 
Ergo the image stays. Skomorokh incite 04:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with LeakyJee. I don't believe removal of the image would make the article less informative when a written description would explain the exact nature of the protest. Lb34 20:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is very informative; it summarizes the section into one image. Not to mention it invokes interest. I know when I first saw it, I said "WTF?!" out loud, and immediately started reading the section to find out why they did it. -- Reaper  X 19:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disturbed

message: Okay, I think this is getting a little out of hand. I don't think we can add anymore quotes to the Reunion section. I reverted this last addition primarily because we already have a quote of de la Rocha slamming "those fascist motherfuckers at the Fox News Network". But I'm still concerned and I need to say this.I think we need to start being selective of what's included, or this section may become a coatrack because it is nothing but a collection of de la Rocha's words in order to make a point that what the Bush Administration has done is wrong, which isn't very neutral, especially considering this is an article about a musical band. Even though this is what RATM is basically all about here in 2007, we have other stuff to cover.To remind some and make notice to all:if you came here to carry de la Rocha's words to the Wikimedia community, go to Wikiquote and have a field day. If you came here to help carry the band's message, you came to the wrong place to do it. Opinions or original thought don't mean jack squat on an encyclopedia built on facts, go use a blog.Besides that, I think the section is okay for now. -- Reaper  X 06:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I still have an issue with this section. IMO, the last 2 speeches should be removed and summarized with "De la Rocha made subsequent speeches at two Rock the Bells shows critisizing the Iraq War." It makes the article too long. The speeches that caused a feud with the "fascist Fox network" are notable enough, but the band has made comments critisizing the U.S. throughout it's existence. In response to 68.157.60.208, relevance to the topic of the Reunion tour is illustrated well enough by the first speech. We don't need them all. Objections? -- Reaper  X 18:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose this diff] to the reunion section. Any objections should be made with good reason, because I think this is quite resonable. It cuts the article down by 4.1kb, makes the section more focused, and a wikiquote link is there for those who are interested in anything else de la Rocha said. -- Reaper  X 21:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going ahead with it after no response. -- Reaper  X 17:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reunion section

message: Really, I mean, I was doing a school report on the band, and I went down and my teacher saw the pic of the band naked and told me I wasent aloud to do the report anymore, thats not really fair...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.119.35 (talk) 20:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been dicussed over and over, yet it still remains. I believe it is an example of WP:SNOW, and therefore warrants no further discussion. -- Reaper  X 18:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It is fault of a negligent parent, and not Wikipedia, when a child stumbles upon adult content in a website which so clearly asserts that it is not censored, and absolutely includes content not appropriate for minors. Second, this was not stance devised by teens alone (or any at all, for that matter), so criticizing it based on the age of one helpful commentator is inappropriate to say the least. VanTucky Talk 01:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd hardly class ordinary nudity as adult content, however that's one for a broader discussion. xlynx 10:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not arguing that it's right, or wrong. I'm quite neutral on it, either having it or linking to it is fine with me. I'm just saying I don't think raising yet another stink about it is going to change it. All of archive 1 is filled with discussion about it, and it was discussed again above. Not to mention the image's history has had a bit of a war. Even through all this, it still remains. Just putting that out there. -- Reaper  X 03:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The image is a photo of a nude protest, censoring it would be a highly questionable practice. I am wondering why you would find it inappropriate for any child to see a picture of a nude protest? Finally a non-pornographic, meaningful nude picture on the internet. Johnnyw talk 11:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Then I will revert the edit. The picture stays - it has a purpose, and isn't there for the sake of it, it is demonstrating the protest they made, and it's not our problem that your teacher didn't like it. ≈ The Haunted Angel 19:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: You fail to understand the point of the "not censored" policy. It means that the taste of an image is not a suitable factor in choosing whether to use it, period. If a properly-licensed image illustrating a pivotal event (such as this one) exists, then it is our duty as an informational resource to illuminate the subject by using the image. In this case especially, an image is, as they say, worth a thousand words. VanTucky Talk 21:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly what he said. Also, please see WP:SNOW... this has been discussed before, and has always stayed - we're not gonna' remove it because it might "offend" a few people. ≈ The Haunted Angel 23:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Break. Firstly, I'm going to ask everyone to sign their posts using four tidles (~~~~). Secondly, I want to put this to bed, and I am requesting this receives wider community attention. I'm expecting lots of feedback on this one, so let's try and sift through this one last time and have some solid consensus. -- Reaper  X 04:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

text: That's exactly what I'm asking here. Either that or just leaving it. Thanks for the example. -- Reaper  X 20:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Absolutely not. That implicitly says "this image is potentially offensive so we hide it behind a box", while the other images are instantly viewable. As an encyclopaedia, we don't decide what image is "offensive" and what image isn't. This is the exact same reason why  was deleted. Melsaran (talk) 09:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The fact that the protest is against exactly this sort of "think of the children" mentality suggests very strongly to me that the image should stay. It's a notable addition to the article, because this is an article about Rage Against The Machine - a band that virtually defines themselves by protest. If it was an article about Elton John I'd probably agree that it wasn't necessary, but this image shows one of the kinds of protests that the band hurls themselves headlong into. If anything, we need more images of them involved in protests. Orpheus 05:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Listen, just break it down to the very basics. 1.) Rage Against the Machine (as the name more than tacitly implies) is a band very much in support of free expression in the form of opem protest, orthodox or otherwise. 2.) Wikipedia is a virtual encyclopedia and is not subject to censorship - WP:NOT#CENSORED, 3.)The picture is profoundly informative, illustrating (no pun intended) the very nature of the band's principles, and 4.)There is precedent for making such a photograph visible per the hundreds of articles detailing reproductive anatomy, and not just with cartoon schematics. Granted that is for "educational" purposes, but then again, information is education. This is obviously informative Wisdom89 08:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only comment I have is this - at the start of a lot of Wikipedia articles there are disclaimers about spoilers, current events, disputed information etc. Why not a disclaimer that the page contains an image which has nudity. I'm not commenting about the picture itself, just that I would like to see a warning (similar to the 'not safe for work' references you see on a lot of internet sites. Thanks. 203.31.52.131 03:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: *Comment - ...a rock band that put an image of a burning monk on their cover (which I personally find a lot more disturbing then seeing four naked men...) Protest is an important part of the band's biography. An image depicting one of the protests doesn't seem entirely out of place. As of yet, I haven't heard one reason to remove it that goes beyond "it is sick" or "it could be shocking" etc. which is why I would keep the image for the time being. Johnnyw talk 21:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DO we need that naked picture? 

message: Promotional discussion removed, please stick to commenting on the article SGGH speak! 12:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Day Out

message: There will be no additional Australian shows, stop stating that their will be, the addtional dates that were in the original press release were referring to the Big Day Out, and Brisbane was never mentioned, it was stated as "Queensland" which is the Gold Coast Big Day Out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.99.147 (talk) 09:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Australian Shows

message: Hmm? 
(The Elfoid (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New tour article? 

message: what is heoes of the year? when did they recieve this award? and y would they get it b4 2010 is ovr?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.151.146 (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: heroes of the year?

message: "Tim's actions are widely believed to be the impetus for singer Zach De La Rocha's exit and the end of Rage." - Can we have a better source for this rather pov statement? As far as I know Zach never stated this and the MTV website, covering their very own event, is rather biased. If there is no other source I would suggest to remove the line 77.11.173.53 (talk) 17:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Awards 2000 

message: how can this be a good article with so many unnecessary block quotes, some of which aren't even referenced? does anyone mind if I remove many of them and replace them with appropriate paraphrases? Kingturtle (talk) 02:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i think that's a great idea.--Lykantrop (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  good? 

message: If the quotation says "hung" instead of "hanged," perhaps "[sic]" should be included to confirm that it is indeed a verbatim quotation?
66.9.234.201 (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [sic] ? 

message: The "Political views and activism" section is getting quite lengthy. Would anyone object to moving this information to a new article and leaving a brief summary and link in its place here? Fezmar9 (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: In an interview with the chilean newspaper La Tercera, Zack de la Rocha confirmed to be preparing a new album with RATM to be published next summer in the United States ("... we are working on a new album due out next year, perhaps the northern hemisphere summer ..."). The interview took place in last October, before the concert in Chile in the Maquinaria Festival 2010. I could put the information but my english is not very good, so I ask a favor to a user to check the source and add it. Thanks. --Teby 95 (talk) 04:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for your claim?  Third hand accounts are not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia policy. --BBUCommander (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zack confirms new album 

message: In section 2009-2010: Killing in the Name campaign and subsequent European tour it says: 
"It was the first time the band played on that continent."
I might have to remind the one who wrote this, that the Americas is only one continent. North America and South America are not different continents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tincho8773 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point.  According to Continent, the 7 continent model lists South America as a continent, while the 4 continent model does not. What would you call South America if not a continent? --BBUCommander (talk) 17:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A political boundary.174.91.92.138 (talk) 21:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  continent? 

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message: Should we call this band, Nine Inch Nails, Fear Factory, 311, Faith No More and Tool 'Proto-Nu Metal'?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaggotSupremacy555 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your source for that? Binksternet (talk) 16:20, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: Welcome to you all. Sorry for bringing this here, but I suppose it is the best place for my question. 
On some pictures from some concerts, Zack de la Rocha is wearing a wrist-band of three colours: black, white and red. What is the meaning of these three colours combined? I believe there is some meaning, but I do not know it.
Thank you for your help. 
Sleepy Prince 2020 (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coloured wrist-band? 

message: I happen to be a rock music fan who doesn't like most hip hop, so it would be funny if this hard revert of sourced content  of my addition of hip hop to the infobox is a result of perceived rivalry between the two genres. The user's edit summary says "Hip hop is already mentioned in the musical style section and we have enough genres listed already." That it is mentioned in the article is a rationale to include it in the infobox, per WP:LEDE the intro summarizes the article. That "we have enough genres already" is an entirely personal opinion that sounds like WP:OWN; moreover there is empty space on the line for another term. Also, there is no rationale here why we should include say "alternative metal" at the expense of hip hop. Comments please. -Chumchum7 (talk) 08:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have five genres in the infobox, we don't need any more. Rap rock and Rap metal already cover the fact that the band has hip hop elements in their music. We don't need to include hip hop. Bowling is life (talk) 12:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You have already said we don't need to include hip hop in the edit summary of your revert. That's your opinion, which you are entitled to, and I happen to disagree. I would point to the notability of hip hop in describing this band's fusion of genres, demonstrated by the citation, which you removed. And there's plenty more sourced content where that came from  Per standard process, we need to open out our disagreement to other editors. -Chumchum7 (talk) 15:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hip hop]] genre in infobox 

message: I saw that all ties to Rage being a nu metal band were removed back in March. All I want to know is exactly why? Some I know will try to shoot down and deny this, but not only were there sources, they've also made plenty of material that fits the criteria.
Some might say Korn started the genre, but I'd argue they only gave it the name. However, I just to know why because I've seen too much push back on this over the past year since the removal and it's a bit worrying in places SlytheWarrior (talk) 05:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "All ties" weren't removed. Nu metal is still mentioned eight times on this page, and it's listed as one of their genres in the musical style section, it just isn't in the infobox. I believe the reasons for it being removed were that: 1. Template:Infobox musical artist says to "Aim for generality" in infobox genres, and alt metal is already listed (nu metal is a subgenre of alt metal). 2. In the musical style section, all the genres that made it into the infobox have five sources attached to them, nu metal only has four. Issan Sumisu (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rage Against the Machine Nu Metal Label Controversy 

message: Hi. I'd like to conduct a little survey in order to correctly translate the band's name for the Hebrew Wikipedia. How do you interpret the word 'rage' in the band's name, as a noun or as a verb? I have my own perception of course, but want to make sure since I think Hebrew speakers are getting it wrong. Thanks a bunch. כרסומת (talk) 22:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The name implies that they are raging against the machine (the system/government, etc). That's an action and verbs are actions. The definition of a verb is "a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen." In this context, I would say rage is being used as a verb in the band's name. Bowling is life (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks a lot. I agree. As far as translating it goes, that's the hard part... =) כרסומת (talk) 10:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question for native English speakers