Talk:British Association for Immediate Care

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:No grounds for speedy delete - This page is of notability - if in need of attention from an experienced editor.  Page should stay. Owain.davies 13:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't Delete

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replies: text: Now added fair use rationale to image. Owain.davies 17:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Basicslogo2.jpg

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Good evening, I was previously logged on as BASICS_HQ having joined last evening on finding the BASICS page which contained inaccurate and misleading information. You have now rejected my changes and rolled the pages back so that once again misleading and wrong information is provided, you will note I fully referenced my edit to support the accuracy of the page. The various rules are misleading and far from transparent only becoming notified once an admin has decided you have infringed them which is most frustrating and frankly unfair. The page urgently needs revision to reflect the true role and function of the Association, please advise. AEK1961 (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying your affiliation with this organization. Please have a look at Template:Request edit#How to use; I am confident that following this method will result in a more satisfactory outcome for everyone. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Association for Immediate Care 

message: In so doing I should explain some of the concerns that underpin the current page. The original author(s) habve mistakenly muddled different BASICS organisations within this listing: BASICS as the focus of this article is a registered charity as cited but is not a limited company. This seems to be drawn from mistakenly identifying a separate legal limited company (& not a charity) BASICS Education with BASICS. 
 Infobox - Limited company PLEASE REMOVE, does not apply  (see Charity Commission registration https://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=276054&SubsidiaryNumber=0)
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 Infobox - leader_title3 = Chair of Trading & Education- PLEASE remove, this is a seperate limited company NOT PART of BASICS the charity.
 Infobox - leader_name2 = Dr Andy Pountney (Please include professional title) 
 Infobox - leader_name3 = Peter Holden (PLEASE remove, this is a seperate limited company NOT PART of BASICS the charity.)
 Infobox - affiliations Plainlist. Please remove - this is incomplete list, I would suggest that a full list be provided within the article
 Infobox - Many Air Amblances (This is untrue, only one Scheme with a HEMS service is affliated - MAGPAS Helimedix, others have individuals working for them who are BASICS members)
BASICS also encourages immediate care schemes to strengthen and develop co-operation between schemes providing immediate care and the statutory emergency services
 and to raise standards of care and training. This includes through the exchange of information and cooperation. (THIS REFLECTS THE WIDER ROLE OF BASICS AND WHEN TAKEN IN CONTEXT WITH THE NEXT EDIT SUGGESTION MAKES BETTER SENSE)
 BASICS as an organisation does not in its self provide immediate care, this is undertaken by its affiliated schemes. BASICS is also a membership association and this was reflected in its change of name from the BRitish Association of Immediate Care Schemes to the British Association for immediate Care in 1980 (REF: https://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=276054&SubsidiaryNumber=0
 Information to be added or removed: region = Nationwide (United Kingdom) Explanation of issue: see Charity Commission registration, BASICS is registered with the Charity Commission as operating in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland  References supporting change: https://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=276054&SubsidiaryNumber=0
— Preceding unsigned comment added by AEK1961 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed a large amount of the text that you posted, so that other editors might more easily be able to see your eight actual requested edits. Please post more requests as you see fit. Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have marked several completed requests as answered. Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have also marked a request as declined. Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The remainder have been answered. The COI editor is asked in the future to leave one instance of the  template open, and to place multiple requests as a numbered list underneath it. Regards,  Spintendo  22:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks, apologies really find the whole process very unintuiative and confusing. I cannot find which one has been declined. Note that the geographical area remains England - do I need to resubmit this? Thanks AEK1961 (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I had deleted the request about information in the region field on the Infobox- this was done in error, while trying to pick relevant text out of your submission where you had copied the entire content of the article onto the talk page and added bits of text in at various places. I have added the request at the end of the list of requests. I have declined this on the basis that there needs to be further information supplied to substantiate the claims. Drchriswilliams (talk) 12:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: 1. Limited company - BASICS in common with other organisations has a number of interests and subsidery activities, this is clear on our Charities Commission page (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=276054&subid=0) which states that "this charity has one or more trading subsidiaries'. These are both registered as separate Limited companies at companies house (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03553177 and https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03555825) but are not registered as part of the charity - hence it is false to state that BASICS is a Limited Company, it is not. The footer mention is because in common with other organisations one website represents the entry portal to all of our combined activities.
2. That BASICS does not provide clinical care, this being undertaken by its affiliated schemes. BASICS is clearly shown to be an umbrella organisation on the Charities Commission website (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=276054&subid=0). Further the independant status of our schemes as registered charities in their own right demonstrates this for example - LIVES (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1098364&subid=0) WM Care Team (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1129027&subid=0) North Staffs BASICS Doctors (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1044785&subid=0) etc. Additionally, our own website makes our role clear, nowhere does it describe that BASICS delivers clinical care but rather fosters/supports etc this via our affiliated Schemes (https://www.basics.org.uk/about-us/). Trust this clarifies.
3. Andy Pountney - Dr Pountney has, like you, worked hard to achieve his professional title. 
4. BASICS operates across the UK - To state that BASICS operates only in England is wrong. As a charity based in England we are registered with the Charity Commission for England and Wales, however, our entry states that our activities are also in Scotland and Northern Ireland ref: http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=276054&subid=0. Referring to our website information on affiliated Schemes shows activity in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (https://www.basics.org.uk/schemes/), as you will appreciate I cannot share membership details due to GDPR but we also have a number of individual members domiciled and working in all of the non-English Regions. 
Thank you
AEK1961 (talk) 14:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: # You have not stated what it is about BASICS (being listed as both subsidiary AND a separate limited company) which makes it false to say that BASICS is a limited company. Please clarify.
# You have not stated what it is about being an umbrella organization, which prevents that organization from generally being described as providing care that a subsidiary provides.
# The fact that Dr. Pountney works hard is irrelevant to the community's consensus which has decided how the use of honorifics such as "Dr." are to be effected in Wikipedia. Surely Dr. Pountney is cognizant and respectful of other organizations' ability to administer rules which govern their own internal workings.
# The  infobox parameter has been replaced with the  parameter.
Regards,  Spintendo  16:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 03-JAN-2018

message: My edits keep being reverted where they detail the doctors responding and who was the medical incident officer at each scene. this is important history, relating to a significant event, I included it appropriately referenced. It is hard to significantly reword a list, but even when I did this it was deleted. TheMouseMen (talk) 17:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read any of the messages on your talk page prior to being blocked for 72 hours? WP:COPYVIO means you cannot simply copy and paste content from the Internet. 10mmsocket (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 7/7 bombing details

message: The logo you show is outdated & has not been used for 3 years. Hava a look at www.basics.org.uk to confirm 90.202.247.228 (talk) 08:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo is wrong 

message: The introductory text is out of date. The two trading subsideries were dissolved a couple of years ago. 90.202.247.228 (talk) 08:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed on Companies House website, so fixed. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trading subsidaries were dissolved 

message: Have they disbanded? Tannim101 (talk) 23:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. They are an active group with 42 clinical members. www.simcas.org.uk is the website (COI - I am Chairman of the organisation). Blueflightmedic (talk) 08:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  SIMCAS