Talk:Astrid Peth

message: *Martha's page was created 7 months ahead of her screen debut, so I think introducing a new companion page now especially with the publicity in gear - she has been seen in trailer form on TV now - is not a bad idea.Wolf of Fenric (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning page as per [[Martha Jones]]

message: A journalist who's seen the special has this to say: "As we all know, Kylie plays 'Astrid Peth'... Don't read as much into her name as some of you have been doing, though." --Tom Tresser (talk) 13:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Digital Spy story

message: anyone else thining about Neil Gaiman in last few minutes of this episode? Flying not falling, stardust...??? just me being a fan of both rtd and NG then huh?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crescent (talk • contribs) 04:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neil gaiman referencing

message: I read the notes in the failed FAC, and I also see some prose issues that should be ironed out to make this article a GA. I'll do the review over a few days, but I'll leave the notes here so that you can fix them while I am continuing my review. The references and the image Fair use already pass.
* "Martha Jones, (played by Freema Agyeman), on August 14, 2007" - either go with the brackets or the commas; doing both is completely redundant
* "she is alongside the Doctor to discover" - why not shorten to "She and the Doctor discover"?
* "Astrid grows increasingly fond of the Doctor kissing him as part of what she assures him is an "old tradition" on Sto" - cumbersome grammar
* "he attempts to recall her atoms" - who is "he"
* "Astrid is only the second Doctor Who companion who does not travel in the TARDIS at any point during their time with the Doctor, the first being Liz Shaw" - suggest to put the last part first: "After Liz Shaw, Astrid is..."
* "and later sees from a distance the TARDIS adrift in space" - the phrase "from a distance" makes this subsentence very awkward to read
* "It was officially announced that Kylie Minogue was to feature as Astrid in the episode "Voyage of the Damned" by the BBC on July 3, 2007." -> the BBC officially..." Also, I very strongly suggest to move this sentence to the place in the paragraph where it should be in the chronological order.
* (Out of interest, not part of the review: I noticed that the starship is sometimes mentioned as "Titanic" and at other times as "the Titanic". My maternal language always requires the definite article for ship names, but this doesn't seem to be the case in the English language. What is used more often then?)
(more to come for "Publicity", "Reception" and "Possible return" later) – sgeureka t•c 21:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done the top list already. Will (talk) 13:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, thanks for your suggestions. I've done the second half of the list. I do not think Casting and Publicity need merging and I haven't rearranged the sections. Here is my rationale: Conception - creating the character; Character history - what Astrid does; Casting - behind the scenes, how and why Kylie Minogue was cast; Publicity - behind the scenes, episode promotion directly linked to Minogue playing Astrid; Reception; behind the scenes, how Minogue's appearance as Astrid was received; Possible return; behind the scenes, although speculative it is based on sources and I think it is important this information is given here to avoid unfounded speculation being included in the article. Thus, moving 'Reception' earlier would disrupt the flow of sections specifically relating to Astrid the character with a section describing relevent behind the scenes and reactionary information. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 14:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote box is as per those on the Jack Harkness article which I think has already achieved Good Article status. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 14:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did two more grammar tweaks (please check whether I didn't accidently change the meaning of the sentences). I am pretty sure that I once read in an FAC that  should only be used when it is a quote box in parallel of the text, not as "inline" text. I think  should be used instead, but this is too minor a change to not promote now. Thank you for your work. – sgeureka t•c 19:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article review

message: As I see it, the characteris not notable. Please see my rationale here. I have some further points: the sources appear to confer notability either to the casting (which is true for any character in television or film, I guess) or the episode. They don't seem to confer notability to Astrid's character/personality which is what the article is mainly about; her conceptual history can be discussed - if needed! - at Voyage of the Damned. I see no reason why she deserves her own article - she didn't even play that huge a role in the story. Everything listed in the article as it stands is either moveable into the episode article, or unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TreasuryTag (talk • contribs) 19:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Voyage of the Damned (Doctor Who) is big enough already (also already a good article nominee). And since the episode and actress have proven notability, that automatically extends to the character being portrayed. The episode article deals with the episode, this article mainly deals with the character and how it was received. I think it warrants a seperate article.  — Edokter • Talk •  20:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that Peter Kay playing the Absorbaloff had equal notability, as did the episode. Does that mean he gets his own article too? —TreasuryTag—t—c 20:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with Edokter's reasoning, but agree with his conclusion. This character is very much notable, the information included in this article is all relevent; merging would make the target article far too big, and/or mean we have to lose valuable information. For what it's worth, I'm not a Doctor Who fan, and generally do not support loads of information on fictional characters. J Milburn (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: Well, technically when sacrificing herself she killed Max Capricorn, who as nasty a character he was, was still killed by the hands of Astrid, so I was just wondering if you could add her to the list.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo2505 (talk • contribs) 
:Don't want to be nitpicky, but I think, in all fairness, that this category is supposed to be about characters in crime fiction or characters who are characteristically villlainous.  That is, people like Tom Ripley or The Master.  In the spirit of things, Astrid is more a heroine, who are people who may kill people in their line of work but aren't necessarily murderers. DonQuixote (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, she only kills in self-defence and defence of the Doctor. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 02:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added to Fictional Murderer list? 

message: Look, I know we've been down this road before. But the character was in one (1) episode. She wasn't especially notable. Had she not been played by someone famous outside the series, she wouldn't have a page. She wasn't a companion despite what the BBC says and the fact that other "one off" companions have pages isn't a good reason to keep hers, it's a good reason to get rid of theirs, too. Discuss. :) Wilybadger (talk) 22:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The press certainly think the character is notable, given the number of sources; that is what establishes notability. Add to that that the article currently hold Good article status, chances of merging are nil.  — Edokter (talk) —  23:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge it or ditch it or something 

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message: Who here thinks Astrid Peth is more an allies charater then a companion? 
"Nuff Said." 198.217.122.254 (talk) 05:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who Here?