Talk:Viviane Reding

message: I don't know if it is notable enough, but is certainly worth mentioning here that on Wednesday 7 July 2010, Reding was assaulted by a man with mental health problems in front of the Palace of Europe. Source: . That was the very day she had her meeting with Thorbjørn Jagland there to kick off joint talks on EU's accession to the Convention on Human Rights. The irony of it! --Insert coins (talk) 15:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reding assaulted 

message: An IP has been continually re-adding a statement that a facebook group was created today calling for the individual to resign, despite that it's clearly not notable. Rather than risking continuing an edit war, I welcome comments from other users. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 15:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I´m going to try to do an all encompassing statement, if any of you can improve it, that would be great! 85.54.239.176 (talk) 21:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I may have found common ground. I hope all sides agree! Hurray for diplomacy! Napoleonic (talk) 21:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facebook group 

message: [I am resubmitting this request, as uncertain whether it went through the first time. A red message from wikipedia suggested otherwise.]
I have three points for which to suggest required edits.
First edit point:
I would like a necessary addendum to be made to the following section:
"He also pointed out that 80% of the camps removed during August 2010 were of "gens du voyage", i.e. less than 20% were Roma camps".
To read thus:
"He also pointed out that 80% of the camps removed during August 2010 were of "gens du voyage"(French Roma), intended, ironically, to mean that less than 20% were Romani camps". (or better alternative manner of inserting the information described as follows).
As I have stated in the "discussion" section on this page; "Gens du voyage" (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gens_du_voyage) is an official French euphemism for French Roma, or Manouches, making the government statement seriously self-incriminating, rather than satisfactorily explanatory. (Or is there any question about that?).
I have also corrected "Roma camps" to "Romani camps" because the existing adjective for "Rom"/"Roma" etc. in English is not the plural noun "Roma" -as currently misused by a number of journalists, but either "Romani" or "Romany" (the older spelling dating from 1812: http://dictionary.reference.com/etymology/romani).
Second edit point:
I also have a suggested modification for the following section:
"This mention could be explained by the fact that Roma account for the overwhelming majority of foreign migrants setting up camps in France, and that "most Roma from the two countries [Bulgaria and Romania] are thought to be in France illegally".[12]  French President Nicolas Sarkozy pointed out that the directive in question was canceled as soon as his government became aware of it."
After careful consideration, I argue for the full deletion of the first half of this section up to the reference link [12]. The grounds for this are as follows:
The claim made that the mention "en priorite ceux des roms" "could be explained"(no reference)as above is lacking in both facts and logic, as I will demonstrate: 
1)If the French government's priority was in fact to dismantle all "illegal camps" regardless of the ethnic origin of the occupants, it does not logically follow that the ethnic group which "is thought" to make up most of the "foreign migrants" in such camps should be targeted "as a priority". Rather, what this does logically entail is that statistically this group would turn out to have been the most affected BY DEPORTATION ORDERS(capitals for emphasis,as the official French circular went into much detail about closing down camps using every possible legal basis, of which unfulfilled visa requirements among "foreign migrants" was just one.)These are two very different propositions.
2)"En priorite ceux des roms" could in fact also cover French Roma (see also my first suggested edit, above), of whom it is currently much harder to say they are "thought to be in France illegally". 
3)The erasing of French Roma from the above equation turns a convenient blind eye to the elephant in the room: That, as the BBC article quoted in support of the section in question opens:
[From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11027288]:
"What prompted the latest government action?
In July, dozens of FRENCH ROMA [my emphasis] armed with hatchets and iron bars attacked a police station, hacked down trees and burned cars in the small Loire Valley town of Saint Aignan."
-Indeed, Sarkozy's emphatic statements and actions from July 2010 against camps either "thought to be" lived in by numerous Romanian and Bulgarian Roma or by people who are merely "gens du voyage"(French Roma)came as a response to events concerning a specific group of individuals of French Romani ethnicity. The only connecting thread between the two events is the ethnic origin of the people involved, thereby unmistakably associating said ethnic group with criminality, which the Sarkozy government claims to be fighting, rather than perpetrating (i.e. in the Woerth scandal).
Third and final edit point:
Finally, I suggest a needed edit to the second part of the aforementioned last section which, as pointed out by someone in the discussion, could easily have been written by a French minister, since it unquestioningly takes an official statement at face value:
"French President Nicolas Sarkozy pointed out that the directive in question was canceled as soon as his government became aware of it."
Here I contend that the terms "pointed out" and "his government became aware of it" could easily and more honestly (unless indeed written by someone with intimate knowledge of the French government's day-to-day workings at ministerial level) be replaced as follows:
"French President Nicolas Sarkozy sought to bolster his case by referring to the fact that the directive in question was canceled as soon as it became public, stating that his government had previously been unaware of its contents."
I am of course open to any stylistic improvements to my versions and would be very interested indeed to hear of any defensible objection to any part of suggested edits' contents.
Many thanks,
Albertino1212 (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your reading of the Gens du Voyage entry is wrong, Albertino1212. I am not sure how fluent your French is, but for the benefit of all I will translate. The entry plainly says of Romas that "among the itinerant population of France [i.e., legally, les gens du voyage], they constitute but a minority". The BBC faq is wrong in stating that gens du voyage is a euphemism for Roma, at least in the French case. The error may be understandable as the terminology and demographic situation are different in Great Britain, especially since British media may wrongly equate Irish travelers with Romas too. Not only is "Gens du Voyage" not a euphemism for French or foreign Roma, but instead it was specifically introduced to replace a previous categorization that could have lent itself to ethnic interpretation (see the French entry, again). I am not aware of an ethnic link being drawn by Sarkozy in his speeches either, let alone being accurate given the demographic facts; but of course, I may have missed something on that. It follow that your proposed edit is more misleading. Besides, it introduce POV matter in what is a report of what Sarkozy said.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Albertino1212, 26 September 2010 

message: There were rumors in the Hungarian press,suggesting that she promised action against the Fidesz-government of Hungary. I am not sure, that these were true, it is highly doubtful, that a EU-Commissioner made such remarks. Could someone provide reliable sources?--Ltbuni (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bilderberg conference

message: Has she had a MACS facelift?79.74.101.164 (talk) 14:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facelift  

message: Finally, Europe has a vision! As one country it will be much stronger. Winston Churchill, a prominent European statesman said:
"If Europe were once united in the sharing of its common inheritance there would be no limit to the happiness, the prosperity, and the glory which its 300,000,000 or 400,000,000 people would enjoy."
and
"Why should there not be a European group which could give a sense of enlarged patriotism and common citizenship to the distracted peoples of this turbulent and mighty continent? And why should it not take its rightful place with other great groupings and help to shape the onward destinies of men?"
Can we mention that proposal in the article?--89.128.236.143 (talk) 06:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viviane Reding proposes United States of Europe 

message: Should the last paragraph on 'revolving door' issues be specified, receive a spell check and better formatting? Irseer (talk) 14:17, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
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