Talk:Bonobo

message: I changed "This primate is frugivorous" to "The bonobo is an omnivorous frugivore". It is a more precise and less confusing description. The links to other wiki pages contain language that backs up this change. For instance on the wiki frugivore page "A frugivore is a fruit eater. It can be any type of herbivore or omnivore where fruit is a preferred food type." and on the wiki omnivore page, "Various mammals are omnivorous in the wild, such as the Hominidae...." The rest of the section is both accurate and well referenced and also explains quite well why Bonobos are classified as omnivorous frugivores.  68.12.189.233 (talk) 08:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  diet 

message: 'The bonobo also has highly individuated facial features, as humans do, so that one individual may look significantly different from another, a characteristic adapted for visual facial recognition in social interaction." - this statement is very doubtful.  Humans are adapted to differentiate between human faces. The bonobo face is similar in structure to the human face. This might be the cause of the apparent diversity in bonobo faces that is perceived by humans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.233.14 (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  diversity of faces 

message: I changed the line where it said Bonobos use bipedal motion less than 1% of the time. That was based on a study from 1993 and since then multiple observations have shown Bonobos ranging from even lower than 1% to substantially more than that. I was going to use this specific link as the reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1571309/
But I have no idea how to actually make a reference in the article, so if someone could put the reference in at the end of the sentence that'd be great. TheMadcapSyd (talk) 16:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this, sorry it was reverted so quickly, editors are (generally rightly) wary of an unsourced statements. Jack (talk) 15:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locomotion change reference 

message: Where is all the details on gestation and the proper details on their sex anatomy to other chimps. It seems this article over focuses on the "popular" stuff. really think these articles need more information. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 13:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right! I'll have a look into it now. Cheers, Jack (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete article 

message: Bonobos are one of two species of the genus Pan. They are essentially chimpanzees, though are smaller, less violent, and much more sexual than the common chimpanzee. In this Wikipedia article, much information is wanting as to the cooperation of bonobos in the wild. This article’s discussion of their social behavior focuses largely on their sexual practices and their engagement of homosexual activity. Cooperative traits such as kin selection and reciprocity are not mentioned in this article. Briefly, the article mentions that bonobos are altruistic, but the article fails to elaborate and say exactly how. This article can be improved by discussing the role of cooperation in child-rearing, avoiding predators, building shelters, and gathering food. Marklxb (talk) 19:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentary on Cooperation 

message: The bonobo genome has recently become available. See http://www.eva.mpg.de/bonobo-genome and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/wgs/?val=AJFE01
77.64.208.236 (talk) 19:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See also this article in Nature. Gobōnobo + c 21:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonobo genome available 

message: When I attempt to load this high-resolution image file, I only get the upper 30% of the image.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Pan_paniscus_%28female%29.jpg
My guess is the file is missing data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.61.170 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It loads fine for me. Have you tried forcing a reload - you may have had a connection issue the first time you tried to load it and subsequent attempts may have been from your browsers cache. In Firefox you do this by holding shift while pressing refresh or with ctrl+F5; I don't know how to do it on other browsers. Alphathon  (talk) 21:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken image file 

message: The word gracile has, in the past, been attached to the name of the bonobo as the gracile chimpanzee. Because of this, people seem to think it's approriate to say - as in this article - that the bonobo is considered more gracile than the common chimpanzee. Probably, it could be said that there is an implication that ... well it's like a kind of chimpanzee, but y'know ... more gracile. So people are led to believe that it is actually a chimpanzee but a gracile one. Then they might go on to think ... I wonder what gracile means - but probably not. They'll just think that it's a chimpanzee ... but a strange type. 
So, we know that the word gracile has been used as part of its name in the past - but do we take anything from that description. If I was to say, "A gracile man walked past my house." What sort of image would that convey? "My sister used to be gracile, but as she got older she put on weight, like the rest of us." Doesn't it sound a bit like lanky, skinny or moving gracefully - it does to me. 
Is the word used in any other context? Do we have gracile elephants, horses, geese or bananas? I haven't heard of them. 
My thoughts are, that we drop this strange, unhelpful descriptor and - probably trying to avoid saying how similar of dissimilar it is to the common chimpanzee - find another way of describing the bonobo.Francis Hannaway (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The word is used most commonly in biology when talking about apes. Australopithecus is often referred to as gracile, as is the bonobo. It is generally used to distinguish from the robust form of an animal. Jack (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps that's true, but it doesn't make it understandable to the general Wikipedia audience. It could be explained in the text.Francis Hannaway (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gracile is not a helpful descriptor 

message: I'd like to pin down more information on what extent oestrus is concealed in Bonobos. 
The article says:
"During oestrus, females undergo a swelling of the perineal tissue lasting 10 to 20 days. Most matings occur during the maximum swelling."
 
This reference says maximum swelling lasts 13.4 days, but that swelling cycles do not correlate exactly with the menstrual and ovulation cycles. Small, 1993 suggests "bonobos continually exhibit estrus swellings and behavior".
Is there good evidence, as the article says, that matings mostly occur during oestrus, and that oestrus/increased sexual behaviour unambiguously exists in Bonobos? Thanks. PhilMacD (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oestrus  

message: At the end of the socio-sexual behaviour section there is a single line "It is unknown how the bonobo avoids simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) and its effects." which seems to suggest that bonobos are somehow immune to SIVs. The nearest I can get to this conclusion in the linked article is that Bonobos have never been found to have SIV and some hypothesising that non-pathogenisis of SIV is due to a pre-evolutionary split SIV outbreak. The article isn't really about bonobos and they are only mentioned incidentally twice. Not sure what the etiquette/procedure is here. Seems to me like this sentence should just be removed but as I'm new I'll just leave this here Crothersj (talk) 02:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  SIV comment in socio-sexual beahviour 

message: I think this sentence is biased, poorly researched, and needs to be deleted or completed: "The primatologist often cited for the peaceful nature of bonobos has never studied them in the wild." There are several primatologists making this assertion including Francis White who has observed them in the wild. This sentence is unhelpful misinformation. Vince Watkins (talk) 03:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that line a minute before the IP commented in this section about it. Flyer22 (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  wild observation 

message: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141215-great-ape-birth-is-world-first
Bananasoldier (talk) 04:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible reference? 

message: There is an RFC that may affect this page at WikiProject Tree of Life. The topic is confusion over taxonomy of subtribe Panina and taxon homininae (are chimps hominins)?
Please feel free to comment there. SPACKlick (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is an RFC that may affect this page 

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message: 98.113.156.218 (talk) 22:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Empty request - Mlpearc (open channel) 22:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2016 

message: NightBlue3 is a part of this Primm34 (talk) 01:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2017 

message: I want to add that the term Bonobo is used often by the streamer Rabia "Nightblue3" Yazbek Rekkles (talk) 12:01, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: the article cited only says "The bonobo is a sister species to the more widespread common chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes, and the two share equal footing as our nearest primate kin." not that they are closer so the wording in the article is word 19:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Inogwabini BI, Leader-Williams N. Effects of epidemic diseases on the distribution of bonobos.   PLoS One. 2012;7(12):e51112. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0051112. Epub 2012 Dec 12. PMID: 23251431; PMCID: PMC3521019.
This reference may explain the wide behavior differences between chimpanzees and bonobos.  Bonobos can expand into rich areas but these areas have trypanosomiasis which kills the bonobos.  Thus bonobos have never been subjected to selection to defend territory. Keith Henson (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 

message: The third paragraph reads
"According to studies published in 2017 by researchers at The George Washington University, bonobos, along with common chimpanzees, split from the human line about 8 million years ago; moreover, bonobos split from the common chimpanzee line about 2 million years ago."
I feel 
"bonobos, along with common chimpanzees, split from the human line..." 
should read 
"the ancestors of the genus Pan split form the human line..."
to remove confusion that the two species had already evolved at that time and make it clear that it was, like our common ancestor, a common ancestor that split from ours and not the chimpanzees themselves (a common misconception) Caledonicum (talk) 23:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree and done. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction  - evolutionary relation to Homo 

message: Having a picture of Kanzi and Panbanisha from a time when they were extremely overweight as the image associated with the animal's Description seems almost misleading to me. I think that image would be better served lower on the page around the Similarity to Humans section, which mentions Kanzi by name. Literally any picture of a wild bonobo or just one that more generally fits the typical appearance would make much more sense there to me. I'm not a frequent editor, so I don't feel confident making the change myself as I'm sure I'd mess up the formatting.
GreatLiver (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A few years ago that picture actually was paired with discussion on Bonobo intelligence, not Description. I guess someone must have moved it up, but I'd agree with you that it's not the best image for the Description section Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 17:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description picture 

message: This section here "Bonobo clitorises are larger and more externalized than in most mammals;[89] while the weight of a young adolescent female bonobo "is maybe half" that of a human teenager, she has a clitoris that is "three times bigger than the human equivalent, and visible enough to waggle unmistakably as she walks".[90]" 
Is phrased in such a way that due to it describing the weight of a bonobos in relation to a "human teenager" when it compares the clitoris size with the "human equivalent" contextually could result in a misinterpretation that it is talking about a teenage humans clitoris, which is highly innapropriate. Can someone rephrase this please so that it's clear that it's comparing the bonobos clitoris with an adult humans clitoris? Perhaps by changing the weight comparison against an adult human female? The use of a teenage human in the weight comparison makes sense, and the comparison of clitoris size makes sense, but when combined in the same sentence it's an uncomfortable read, nobody wants to be visualising the genitalia of non-adult humans and the phrasing accidently induces that.
The mentions further down in the article about the sexual behaviour of bonobos involving infant bonobos, whilst important and relevent to the article, also make the misreadings of the earlier sentance even more uncomfortable.
Thankyou for your consideration, I appreciate the great work that wikipedians do and this article is a great read otherwise. Hope you have a great day :) Austroriella (talk) 07:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing of sentence about clitoris size including a mention of teenage human girls 

message: Conflicting information in the main section and the Taxonomy section regarding when it split off and the reasons why 87.75.185.229 (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:06, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023 

message: I'm planning on Featuring this article, will start working on it next week Tuesday, and probably nominate it in late June. Wolverine XI (den • 🐾) 18:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-Class to GA to FA 

message: Bonobos are omnivorous, they do hunt monkeys and eat them. Video evidence provided by tv show Queens that records a Bonobo troop hunting and eating colobus monkeys. 192.109.205.211 (talk) 02:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. UtherSRG (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024 

message: In the Taxonomy section under “Hybrids,” there’s a misspelling in the last sentence of the second paragraph of “lead” as the past tense. The correct spelling is “led.” I cannot edit it as the page is locked. 2601:346:B00:B100:D92C:CF8:3D0E:86F4 (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: UtherSRG (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling