Talk:Iron Bowl

message: It just didn't look right.  Now it's perfect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:348:380:1890:D974:10AC:EC0C:B9A9 (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed errant equal sign in data box

message: I am trying to improve this section's quality. 
The descriptions of the games lacked consistency in content and grammar.
::1893 -- I would like to use rolltide.com (UA's official site) and auburntigers.com (AU's official site), but I cannot find archives for Auburn. It will be balanced if we use both.
::1983 -- Auburn was awarded the national championship by Billingsley, FACT*, Football Research, the NY Times, and Sagarin (ELO-Chess). These have been added to the article.
::1993 -- The source citation (www.auburnfootball.com) for Auburn's other national title selections is a fan-based site. I think this violates Wikipedia's rules for [Reliable Sources].  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akp1947 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Games Revisions 

message: A recent addition by anon: User:24.136.36.173 was copied verbatim from http://www.angelfire.com/al/bamacrimsontide/ironbowlhistory.html.  Reverted. Autiger
:At some point user readded it. I have re-reverted it. Suggest we apply for protection. Littlerob1221 00:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When the user readded, they claimed (in the edit comment) permission to post, which is why I let it stand at that point.  The game summaries were an informative addition, (if a little slanted to Alabama) so I think they should be added back.  I had intended to consolidate the  summary and year-by-year results into a single table.   Autiger 23:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon CopyVio

message: I corrected the overall record of the series, which currently stands at 38-31-1, not 38-32-1 as previously stated. Being an Auburn fan myself, I hope that 38-32-1 is correct this time next year, but for now it is not. Adamepling 15:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected Record 

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message: I flagged this for a reassessment b/c it is rated Low Importance and should be at least a mid per the importance scale as a rivalry game. There is a case for ranking the game as a high too.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.68.160 (talk) 02:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  flagged for a reassessment 

message: So far I've seen "The Prayer in Jordan-Hare" and "The Happiest Return" among others. We should probably chill before we put it in. And wait for all the commentators to chill too. Volunteer Marek  03:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Notable game 

message: I'm going to toss my 2 cents in and say the notable games section is incredibly biased as well.
1.) Many of the game "nicknames" are frankly made up.  Some are well known to the fans "Punt Bama Punt" and "the Run in the Mud" being two examples of such, but many aren't.  I say scrap them all together and use the description to define why the game is "notable," not just the fact that the fans have a nickname for the game.
2.) Some of the more recent games have a sentence describing every scoring drive...it's too much.
3.) I would be in favor of significantly trimming this section and making a separate "notable moments" section...most of these aren't notable games, per se, but notable moments.  The first game, the resumption of the series, the first televised game, the first night game, 315, etc are all notable games though perhaps nothing notable happened in the game, while the 72, 82, 85, etc games had notable moments at the end of the game while nobody remembers much else about those individual games.
CH52584 (talk)
:We can check the sources. If they use nicknames, so should we. Volunteer Marek  15:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine.  They should be removed until you find them in the sources. CH52584 (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sources might be difficult to find.  For example, the 2008 game "Beatdown in T-Town" comes from the Birmingham New's headline from the following day.  It is not an "official" nickname (if there is such a thing) for that game and as far as I'm aware, the only 2 places where that term has been used is in the Birmingham News and in this wikipedia article.  The "Honk if you sacked Brodie" from the 2005 game is a reference to a bumper sticker made for Auburn fans after the game that year.  Again, I don't think you'll find that reference anywhere else other than a bumper sticker or this wikipedia page.  Instead of putting it in bold and separating it from the rest of the description, I suggest including the term in the description and explaining it's source.  For example: "2008: #1 Alabama defeated Auburn 36–0 in Tommy Tuberville's last game as Auburn's head coach, in what the Birmingham News would later refer to as 'The Beatdown in T-Town'," or "2005: Auburn set a new school and series record by sacking Alabama quarterback Brodie Croyle 11 times. Seven different Auburn players recorded at least half a sack in the game, leading Auburn to a 28–18 victory.  This game is sometimes known by the bumper sticker it would inspire, 'Honk if you sacked Brodie'." CH52584 (talk) 12:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

text: That list sort of indicates that nicknaming rivalry games is a SEC/southern thing. Volunteer Marek  15:35, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.  If anything it indicates that the "notable games" section is not a commonly used section in these articles, and most articled don't use nicknames.   Yes, the Egg Bowl, UF-FSU and FSU-Miami all have nicknames, but MOST don't have the "notable games" section to begin with...Alabama-Tennessee, Florida-Tennessee, Georgia-Florida, Auburn-Georgia, South Carolina-Clemson, Alabama-LSU, LSU-Arkansas, Tennessee-Vanderbilt, etc...And nicknaming games being an SEC might be valid, but doesn't make these particular nicknames any less made up or unsourced. CH52584 (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable games 

message: "Auburn came into the game as heavy underdogs but jumped out to a 14–0 lead, thanks to a 67-yard TD run by Terrell Zachary and 1-yard pass TD pass to Eric Smith from Chris Todd. Alabama responded with a Colin Peek 33-yard touchdown catch and a 2-yard TD run by Trent Richardson, tying the game at halftime. Todd set a new Auburn single-season passing TD record with a 72-yard strike to Darvin Adams. Leigh Tiffin cut the advantage to 21–20 with a pair of field goals, setting up the final drive. Auburn had one final chance, but a Hail Mary pass was knocked down in the end zone by Rolando McClain as time expired. Mark Ingram was held to 30 yards on 16 carries but still managed to win the 2009 Heisman Trophy."
This is a section I deleted from the 2009 game.  It is a full paragraph game recap.  The "notable games" section has been progressively lengthened by the addition of new games of questionable notability and summaries such as this.  What makes the game notable is the game winning drive by Alabama at the end of the game that kept their national title hopes alive; that can be explained in one sentence or less and does not need a full game summary.
The statement about Mark Ingram "still managing" is editorialized.  Instead of reporting a fact (i.e. "2009 Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram was held to 30 yards rushing on 16 carries"), the wording has a negative connotation, suggests the author's opinion was that he shouldn't have won the Heisman based on that performance.  And frankly, it's not relevant to the notability of the game, anyway.
As for the deleted years, 
1974- not a specifically memorable game as compared with several other games that decade
1994- I was at this game and couldn't remember the specifics of how the game ended until I looked it up
1997- The game ended on a game winning FG, but beyond that, how memorable was it for Auburn to beat a really bad Bama team?
This goes to my point above.  Why is the "notable games" section even needed?  What constitutes "notable?"  All it really takes is for one fan to come to wikipedia and add a given year, and it becomes notable.  At some point, decisions will have to be made about what constitutes "notable."  I suggest that we agree upon general "notability" guidelines.  Until then, we are going to continue deleting and re-adding games.  This has been an ongoing discussion on this page for years.   
CH52584 (talk) 09:48, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Editorializing the notable games section 

message: I went ahead and divided the section like I suggested above.  In reading the old section, some games listed are notable because of firsts...for example, first game, first game after resuming the series, first game in Auburn, first game in Tuscaloosa, etc.  The notability of those games have nothing to do with any specific occurrence during the game, but a significance of the game itself.  Games that are notable due to a specific thing that happened during the game have been moved to a "notable moments" section.  I think this is a good first step in evaluating and framing the discussion on the notability of each of these games/moments. CH52584 (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dividing the "notable games" section 

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