Wikipedia talk:Notability (schools)/Archive 5

message: Aaron Brenneman made an excellent suggestion above: let's try working on a page and establish a sort of model that we should pattern our school coverage after. I've made a start in my user space: User:Flowersofnight/Schools
Right now the coverage is skeletal and brief, but I hope it does show one possible way to organize things. Please feel free to edit these pages, rearrange them, make them better, etc. Let's see what we can come up with. Anyone interested? flowersofnight (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes i have looked and will have some input and help when i have some time.  Good job on geting this going.  David D. (Talk) 19:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Very nice work! I especially like how you've handled individual schools. I believe this provides a useful framework to organize school articles as a group, and brings a much more encyclopedic tone to the whole thing. Denni☯ 03:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Model pages

message: I've now got all AfD results from 1 January 2005 to 20 Jun 2005 in a flat file.  I'll keep collecting the data up to 1 November, but it's tedious so I'll begin parsing what I have, and expect some results in the next couple of days.  Are there any metrics and/or questions in particular that anyone is interested in? brenneman(t)(c) 06:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it much matters. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Did you want some perl magic to aid either the collection or the parsing? I'm glad to help. The only question that I personally would like beyond your own analysis is a list of participants and their frequency of participation. It might be nice to have one that doesn't mention tendency at all, so that some relatively outsider like me can try to wrangle participation without any worries of unintentional bias. --William Pietri 07:29, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I was wondering is how many people always vote "keep" versus how many people always vote "delete". I think these individuals, whoever they may be, are one of the reasons we cannot come to consensus. Denni ☯ 03:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that's the reason we've had trouble finding consensus ;). Gateman1997 03:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analysis 

message: Hi! Something Denni said above made me realize that archiving some of this material would be helpful. I've never done that before on Wikipedia, and given the potential for contention on this page, I'm not quite ready to be bold. Is there anything I should read beyond Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page? And an I just take everything up through item 22 or 23 and put them on Archive 3? Thanks, --William Pietri 07:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'd archive up to point #17, "Top and Tail". But other than that, you're on the right track. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 07:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done up to Top and Tail. Celestianpower 08:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive? 

message: I'm unilaterally adding a break here because the thread has become impossibly long to edit. Please also note that this page is 164 KB long, and someone more proficient than I should archive some of this discussion, please?
To reply to a comment by Turnstep regarding expansion of school articles: it will not happen. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will review the findings of a school article study I did. As of about a month ago, there were 110 school articles for schools in the states of California and Texas. Only 11 were more than a year old. Of those 11, nearly half had undergone no expansion at all since their creation, and had received at best some cosmetic attention. I do not expect the picture will be any different a year from now; as a matter of fact, thanks to the rapid proliferation of substub and stub articles in the past year, I expect an even smaller percentage of articles to be properly attended to. I am neither supporting or opposing at this time. I would like to see the bar raised higher (twelve sentences works for me) but at the same time I see Hipocrite gritting his teeth and must sympathise with him. What I will say is that I'm very pleased with the progress we have made and I encourage everyone to push this through to a form we can take to the general membership. Three cheers to all! Denni ☯ 04:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who cares? If a school topic is a stub, it will be merged under this proposal. If it never grows, it stays as a redirect, if it does, it grows. What's the problem? Trollderella 16:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Please continue