Talk:Federal Reserve Act

message: What was the name of the committee placed in charge of investigating the control of the U.S. economy by influential bankers?  This is mentioned in the article, but the name of the committee is not. mdjkarazim 2005-07-03 02:29:23 (UTC)
United States House Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations and Comparable Organizations
where Norman Dodd was one of the main participants.The committee was alternatively known as the Cox Committee and the Reece Committee after its two chairmen, Edward E. Cox and B. Carroll Reece. It unwittinly revealed that the Carnegie foundation had been making efforts that these and related foundations were involved in the intentional instigation of the United States into World War I and attempting to mould world history through the explicit control of education in the United States. His allegations stem from reviewing the minutes of the Carnegie Institute and their explicitly stated plans listed therein.
I think you are talking about the Pujo Committee. - J  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.88.220.2 (talk) 21:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Committee Name

message: On 21 April 2006 I reverted an edit by a user at IP 156.63.113.54 containing several apparent coding errors that seemed to make no sense. There was a substantive edit included in the changes made by the user at IP 156.63.113.54, so if he or she may wish to try again. Yours, Famspear 18:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion of various edits on 21 April 2006

message: I have added some quotes from the Constitution. Also, the article as currently written stated that the constitutionality had been the subject of controversy, but the article on Nondelegation doctrine -- to which a link was provided as support -- offered no information on any controversy about the Federal Reserve Act or the Federal Reserve System. Therefore, I added a "needs citation" tag. I suspect we can find some sourcing on this. Stay tuned. Yours, Famspear 21:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding quotes and citation tag

message: Dear fellow editors: I have removed the following text:
First of all, the statement that the "Federal Reserve Act was not ratified by the States in 1914 as the Constitution of the United States requires" is nonsensical from a legal standpoint. The Federal Reserve Act is a statute, an Act of Congress. The Constitution does not require that statutes (Acts of Congress) be "ratified by the States."
The statement that the Act "therefore operates in a manner of taxation without representation and is unconstitutional" is also nonsensical, non-neutral POV. Whether a statute is unconstitutional is a legal issue, to be decided in a court of law. Obviously, the editor who inserted this material provided no supporting citation for it; the material is not only false, it is unverifiable for purposes of Wikipedia.
It is correct to say that "[c]itizens do not get a vote nor do citizens get to vote by way of Congress on whether or not the FED raises or lowers interest rates." Citizens do not get to vote on lots of things. So what?
Let's keep in mind some basic stuff: verifiability, non-neutral point of view, and no original research. Yours, Famspear 14:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the person who made that statement was confusing the federal reserve act with an element of the 16th amendment regarding income tax, which the supreme court at the time had ruled unconstitutional.  I've been hearing about this a lot lately.  Taxation of the american people's labor however is not a function of the federal reserve act or the federal reserve banks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.152.212.4 (talk) 09:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ratified by the States??

message: Another editor has begun a new section on "controversy" which I have renamed "critique." Some of this looks like the same kind of material that has bounced in and out of the article on the Federal Reserve System from time to time. I toned down the POV and removed some of the material for which no sourcing was provided, or for which the sourcing was highly dubious.
By the way, material on actual litigation (if any) of the issue of the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve Act could fit in the Critique section. Does anyone have any information on whether there have been any court decisions regarding the constitutionality of the Act? Yours, Famspear 02:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critique

message: The Rothschilds
    "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so
    dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." 
    -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863
  "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" 
  -- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
                                                                
Quotes from Senators & Congressmen
     "Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders.  
     The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the
     control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" 
     -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AZ)
    "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President
   [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....
   the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." 
   -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913
    "From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." 
     -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
    "The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board asministers
    the finance system by authority of  a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted
    for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's
    money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923
    "The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." 
    -- Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941
"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)
    "The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.
    There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the
    International bankers -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)
   "Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.
   They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the
   people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" 
   -- Congressional Record 12595-12603 
   -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932
"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the major cause is
that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and
unforgiveable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our
children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." 
-- John Danforth (R-Mo)
"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private
gain every dollar of the public currency..." -- Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate  Banking and Currency Committee - 1913
"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the
currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge
the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." -- Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913
                                           
From the Federal Reserves Own Admissions
    "When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in out account to cover the check,
    but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is  
    drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." 
    ( "Putting it simply" -- Boston Federal Reserve Bank )
  "Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is   
  just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." 
  -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975
"The Federal Reserve system pays the U.S. Treasury 020.60 per thousand notes --a little over
2 cents each-- without regard to the face value of the note. Federal Reserve Notes, incidently, are
the only type of currency now produced for circulation. They are printed exclusively by the
Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the $20.60 per thousand price reflects the Bureau's
full cost of production. Federal Reserve Notes are printed in 01, 02, 05, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar
denominations only; notes of 500, 1000, 5000, and 10,000 denominations were last printed in
1945." -- Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve system
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar
we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous;
if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important
subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present
civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon."
--Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank
                                                                           
From General Law
"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform
Commercial Code)" -- The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966
"There is a distinction between a 'debt discharged' and a debt 'paid'. When discharged, the debt
still exists though divested of it's charter as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge, something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transferred, even though the transferee takes it subject to it's disability incident to the discharge." --Stanek vs. White, 172 Minn.390, 215 N.W. 784
"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." -- Lewis vs. United States
9th Circuit 1992
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent,
privately owned and locally controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239
9th Circuit 1982
                                     
Past Presidents, not including the Founding Fathers
    "Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry 
    and commerce." -- James A. Garfield, President of the United States
    "A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is
    concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the
    most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of 
    free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government 
    by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." --President Woodrow Wilson
                    
Founding Father's Quotes on Banking
(May occur some repeats from "Founding Father's Quotes" / Information tends to converge)
 
 
                                                                   
Thomas Jefferson
     "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
     Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The
     issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to
     whom it properly belongs."--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
                                               
Andrew Jackson
    
    "If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money [currency], it was given to them to
    be used by...[the government] and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations" 
    -- President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836
                                               
James Madison
  
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance". 
-- James Madison                                                    
Misc. Sources
"Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing" -- Ralph M.
Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury
    "To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000
largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." -- Buckminster Fuller
    "Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't]
support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him
his job." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe
    "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for
if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford
    "[Every circulating FRN] represents a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." -- Money
Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee
  "...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to
  45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve]
   banks." -- Eustace Mullins
    "As soon as Mr. Roosevelt took office, the Federal Reserve began to buy government securities
     at the rate of ten million dollars a week for 10 weeks, and created one hundred million dollars
     in new[checkbook] currency, which alleviated the critical famine of money and credit, and the
     factories started hiring people again." -- Eustace Mullins
    "Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money becomes
     apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." 
     -- John Maynard Keynes, "Consequences of Peace."
   "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away
   from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will
   create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great 
   fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and
   better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your   
   own slavery, let them continue to create deposits".
    --- SIR JOSIAH STAMP,(President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, 
    the second richest man in Britain):
     "The modern Banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process
     is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banks can in
     fact inflate, mint and unmint the modern ledger-entry currency".- MAJOR L .L. B. ANGUS:
  "While boasting of our noble deeds were careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous
   money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not
  less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery. - Horace Greeley
     "People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam) nor
     contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the
     People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about 
     interest ...But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar 
     bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the
     bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond
     and an addi- tional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays
     nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue
     bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the 
     other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds
     would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National 
     Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control
     the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan". - THOMAS A. EDISON
    "By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people,
    and not one man in a million will detect the theft."
    --John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) 
    in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).
     "Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages
     foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their
     homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied 
     by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their 
     leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of 
     capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies 
     in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd."
     -- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, "The Organizer" January 1934.
"The Federal Reserve banks, while not part of the government,..." -- United States budget for
1991 and 1992 part 7, page 10
The Money Power! It is the greatest power on earth; and it is arrayed against Labour. No other power
that is or ever was can be named with it...it attacks us through the Press - a monster with a thousand lying tongues, a beast surpassing in foulness any conceived by the mythology that invented dragons, were wolves, harpies, ghouls and vampires. It thunders against us from innumerable platforms and pulpits. The mystic machinery of the churches it turns into an engine of wrath for our destruction. Yes, so far as we are concerned, the headquarters of the Money Power is Britain. But the Money Power is not a British institution; it is cosmopolitan. It is of no nationality, but of all nationalities. It dominates the world. The Money Power has corrupted the faculties of the human soul, and tampered with the sanity of the human intellect... 
-- Editorial from 1907 edition of The Brisbane Worker (Australia)
 
...I am convinced that the agreement [Bretton Woods] will enthrone a world dictatorship of private
finance more complete and terrible than and Hitlerite dream.
It offers no solution of world problems, but quite blatantly sets up controls which will reduce the
smaller nations to vassal states and make every government the mouthpiece and tool of International
Finance.
It will undermine and destroy the democratic institutions of this country - in fact as effectively as ever the Fascist forces could have done - pervert and paganise our Christian ideals; and will undoubtedly present a new menace, endangering world peace. World collaboration of private financial interests can only mean mass unemployment, slavery, misery,degredation and financial destruction.
Therefore, as freedom loving Australians we should reject this infamous proposal. -- Labor Minister of Australia, Eddie Ward, during the inception of the World Bank and Bretton Woods, he gave this warning. 
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Smith (nom de guerre) (talk • contribs) 20:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Federal Reserve quotes 

message: For the record: Ignoring valid critisism seems to be all the rage these days. I'm surprised that people find it ok to remove all controversy and critisism from certain pages as if the world we live in was devoid of controversy and debate. Democracy _is_ debate. If user Famspear found bona fide faults, inaccuracies etc. Why did he not remove these instead of the entire thing. Where is his documentation of "highly questionable" material after a glance"?
I'd like people to put some thinking into what is objective and what is just purely omitting historical events and valid controversy for starters. See Jurgen Habermas on public discourse.
I want a serious debate on what goes into Wiki, not a screaming contest on who's the holder of objective truth in historical matters and recording events of great controversy. Why would one Ignore  and/or omit the views of people like the twelve years head of the commitee on banking, Edison, Senators and Presidents? This is almost ridiculously POV and biased towards people trying to find both sides of an issue. My post was in good faith that this also would be a goal for wikipedia and wikipedians. Sincerely John Smith (nom de guerre) 23:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear user John Smith (nom de guerre): I noticed that you posted almost these same comments on the talk page for Federal Reserve System. I have responded on that talk page. Yours, Famspear 03:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critisisms of the Federal Reserve Act

message: They've got the U.S by the balls  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.12.94.17 (talk) 08:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: By the ballz

message: the birth of the federal reserve. its documented. w  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.197.90 (talk) 15:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually not documented.At least not by anybody who is worth believing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.147.226 (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis worth believing? [[The Jekyll Island Expedition:[] Scroll down to The Jekyll Island Expedition if you don't want to read the whole thing. Fafyrd (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: jekyll island

message: Why no explicit explanation(!) of the background for the use of the name Owen-Glass act at the time? Nunamiut (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Owen-Glass background

message: According to Money Masters http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936, the Federal Reserve Act passed the House of Representatives but it had issues passing the Senate.  The video claims that according to the Senate journal(citation needed)while the majority of the Senate was on vacation, the Senate failed to issue some weird Latin phrase that adjourns the Senate so it was officially still in session and that the bill was passed unanimously by only three senators.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.53.163 (talk) 02:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Federal Reserve Act passed the Senate by a vote of 43 to 25, so 68 Senators voted on it, not 3. More than 20 Senators had already left town for Christmas recess, but it didn't matter, because they knew it was not a close vote. Just four days earlier, the Senate had passed an earlier version of the bill by a margin of 54 to 34, so supporters of the bill had an absolute majority in the Senate. Since the versions of the bill passed by House and Senate differed, a compromise version had to be worked out in a conference committee. There are many other mistakes in The Money Masters, so don't believe everything it says. —KHirsch (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How the bill was passed by only three Senators 

message: An anon added this material:
::However, controversy still remains regarding the Act, with detractors pointing out that since the power to coin money being restricted to the Congress is an article of the constitution (Article 8), Congress cannot simply give away this privilege with a simple Federal Act no matter how big a majority passes it. Such a change would require a Constitutional amendment, which would require ratification by 75% of the states, a procedure that was never followed.
First, there is no such thing as "Article 8" of the Constitution. There is an Eighth Amendment, sometimes called an "eighth article of amendment," but that's not what the author of the material was referencing,
Second, the author provided links to the Constitution itself. Those kinds of links do not really constitute proper referencing for showing that there is a criticism of the Federal Reserve Act. The citation needs to be made to the material, if any, that states the criticism, not to the text of the Constitution.
Third, printing paper currency is not "coining money." Federal Reserve notes are not "coins." (This point really goes to the illogical and erroneous nature of the criticism.)
Fourth, it's not necessary to go into an explanation of the ratification process or into a description of what percentage of states must ratify a constitutional amendment, merely to describe a criticism of the Federal Reserve Act.
There are indeed criticisms of the Federal Reserve Act of this particular kind -- it's just that the material isn't properly referenced. I'm leaving it in the article, in modified form, but with citation tags. We can find citations later. Famspear (talk) 18:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Modified material

message: I was surprised not to find coverage of that section of the Federal Reserve Act, which i guess permits FRB to lend money to almost anyone when it will stop a real financial disaster!--Jerzy•t 08:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 13 (b) 

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message: By definition, a free market is one free from any kind of coordinated price setting.
When the Federal Reserve sets the cost of everyone's capital, as it now routinely does, it violates the basic tenents of a truly free market.
By artificially and arbitrarily setting interest rates, the Federal Reserve is just another OPEC, just another price fixing organization.
OPEC benefits their oil producing member nations. The Federal Reserve benefits Wall Street firms and banks, who because of the Federal Reserve have ready access to all the cheap money they need or want to ensure that they can much more easily make money.
Cheap money is the fuel of Wall Street. Without it, Wall Street firms wouldn't do nearly as many deals.
But artificially cheap money is devastating to savers, particularly senior citizens. Artificially cheap money also encourages investors to invest in riskier and riskier investments, which Wall Street firms are in the business of creating, and profit handsomely from.
The Federal Reserve rate setting benefits Wall Street firms and encourages speculation and risky behavior.
The free market would be well able to set interest rates, as it sets the price of every other asset. But the rates set in the free market wouldn't be as friendly to Wall Street firms voracious desire for cheap money. Hence we're stuck with the Federal Reserve, like we're stuck with OPEC.
Actually, the Federal Reserve is stronger than OPEC. Americans would be better off without both of them. 70.177.174.240 (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price Fixing