Talk:Third-person shooter

message: They are first person RPGs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.103.44.251 (talk) 19:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elder Scrolls games are NOT Third Person Shooters 

message: Although I agree that the use of third person shooter, or third person point of view is quite prevalent when dealing with video games today, its always bugged me since technically this is a misnomer. Any video game in which you are in direct control of a character you can see is technically second person, not third. Although you are witnessing the events on the video game from outside the first person perspective, you are still the one controlling the character, thus it is like you are issuing commands to the character, using second person pronouns. "You jump on this block", "You shoot this monster", "You move over here and open this chest". Third person perspective would be witnessing events without any direct control over what happens, like in a movie or book. Someone is telling you a story using third person pronouns like "These people did this. Then they went over here, then this happened", etc. Thus nearly every game commonly referred to as third person should technically really be second person perspective. There are really no third person shooters unless you are merely a spectator watching what others are doing, and I wouldn't call that much of a game.
Is there anyone that agrees with me? And if so should this article reflect this perspective or remain like it currently is?
Madbunny0 21:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such thing as a second person camera in gaming or cinema or anything else relevant here. The literary analogy is thin. The "third person" refers to the camera, not the storytelling.Frogacuda (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The article is supposed to define the category.  Regardless of how technically correct or incorrect the term is, the article is describing the genre, which is still "third-person shooter".  Should the industry move to change this based on the same question you have brought up, there would be an article created to reflect this change. Until then, it's not our place to point out the technicalities of the term, only to define the term and games it encompasses. Gamer Junkie 15:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: it might be a good idea to upload an image of what a Third-person shooter looks like, a screenshot from Lost Planet would make a good example --Rageypeep (talk) 17:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

text: so what exactly is a second person camera? And where are the orignis of the terminology. 217.82.95.34 (talk) 08:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Person Shooter Term 

message: Tomb Raider Is an action adventure, and is very well known for its duelwelding shooting. but seriously why is there no mention of it being the first One? I am going to edit it saying it is. If anyone Has any objections or can location a source saying tomb raider 1 Isnt the Very first 1st person shooter, than change it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.49.12 (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's impossible to talk about the "first" third-person shooter in any way that's useful. It's a genre classification that came into being many years after its conventions were popularized. I can name a hundred games before Tomb Raider that meed the definition just as well, but this kind of treatment isn't productive here. It isn't that kind of genre. It's a concept that exists in relation to first-person gaming and the term didn't exist until the term "first-person shooter" began to overtake competing genre identities like "doom-clone." If you can find me a single instance from mainstream gaming media referring to any game close to what we now think of as a "third-person shooter" as such before 1998, I'd be stunned. It really wasn't until around the time Half-Life came out that you really started to see concept of first-person shooters broadening and the need to distinguish third-person shooters arising.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.113.35 (talk) 07:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The "first" third-person shooter is too ambiguous. Instead, we should be discussing some of the early games which popularized the genre, and brought the genre to what it is today. Tomb Raider didn't do this anymore than Duke Nukem 3D with its 3rd person camera. Tomb Raider is primarily a platforming adventure game, with minor shooting elements. ScienceApe (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomb Raider Is A Third-Person Shooter, and probably the Very First one. 

message: I was wondering if anyone knows of an earlier TPS than 'Narco Police' (1990)? I realize this game isn't rendered using polygonal 3D graphics, but that really doesn't define the genre, right? In gameplay and viewpoint, this game is way more similar to e.g. Gears of War than a game like Tomb Raider. --Schmid (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know anything about Narco Police, but this source calls Space Harrier II a TPS. It's sort of psuedo-3D at least. bridies (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we find some sources that label a few games pre-3D TPSs, we could mention them at the start of the history section. Randomran (talk) 17:24, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First TPS 

message: The history does not seem to go back before about 1992. I do not have time to properly write this up at the moment ... so what about Ant Attack and Knight Lore on the Spectrum ? See http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0009483  and Ant Attack. DJ Barney (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section definitely needs to be expanded. But those don't look like third person shooters, they look like isometric action games. And we'd need reliable third-party sources that say what they are anyway. Randomran (talk) 15:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section 

message: I think there's something in this source that can be used. I'll get around to it later. here Randomran (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  flagging more research 

message: No mention of Die Hard for DOS, from 1989? Here's some footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_3dN9voPq0
It's pretty much Max Payne, but released 12 years earlier. This is the earliest game I've seen that's recognizable as a third-person shooter in the modern sense of the term, rather than being a rail shooter like Space Harrier. Phediuk (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Die Hard for DOS (1989)