Talk:Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack

message: Should this article be named "Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack" instead of "Larsen's Opening"? Shouldn't the actual names of the chess opening from the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings (ECO) be used? The article itself says that in ECO, it is called the Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack.  Nimzowitsch's name is also spelled differently in different places, e.g., "Nimzovich", but "Nimzowitsch" appears to be the correct spelling. Anyone know what the ECO name actuallly is? Madzane (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ECO rarely name openings or variations. It's a multi-language publication and translation any words is kept to a minimum. I don't have a copy to hand but I doubt any naming clarity will come from ECO. Aron Nimzowitsch was also Niemzowitsch. The later his birthname and the former as a result of an error on his passport. No idea how 'Nimzovich' came about but seems that was not his real name. ChessCreator (talk) 04:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  ECO does not name this opening.  Coicidentally, the ECO material on it was written by LArsen.  Bubba73 (talk), 05:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misnamed article? 

message: I've recently updated the article somewhat, combining the Bibliography and Further Reading sections and adding some extra books. I've also off-sectioned the history into a separate section and added some further info there.
While doing this I was rather concerned by the nomenclature used to describe the subvariations of this opening (e.g. 1...e5 = Modern Variation, 1...d5 = Classical Variation, 1...Nf6 = Indian Variation, 1...c5 is the English variation, etc).
These labels are not used in any of the books that cover 1.b3 (or 1.Nf3 2.b3). Also, no source material is quoted for where these names come from, and I'd suggest that they are both spurious and pointless, given that in most games Black is likely to play at least 2 or 3 moves out of e5/d5/Nf6/c5. That being the case,  the transpositonal possibilities are so extreme that naming a variation after Black's first move is nonsensical.
It would be far better to discuss the opening in terms of the different positions that can arise after, say, move 4 or 5, e.g. reversed Nimzo-Indian, etc., which are the sorts of subdivision always used in books on 1.b3 / 1.b3 2.Nf3. Axad12 (talk) 08:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Per WP:CHESSOPENINGS openings and variation names should only be used if they are published in reliable sources. There is a tendency to use obscure names someone on chess.com invented as if they're official. The unreliable (internet) sources copy each other and before you know it people think the Coca Cola Gambit is some kind of official name. I'd add anything by Schiller to the list of unreliable sources on opening names. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks MaxBrowne2. I've now completely rewritten and expanded the section on variations, and added some notes on move-order considerations. Hopefully the re-write is a significant improvement. Axad12 (talk) 06:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of subvariations 

message: Following on from the discussion above (and the name change to Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack), last week I happened upon the quote below (which I though may be of interest to editors here). The source is Andrew Soltis' foreword to The Chameleon Variation: Confronting the Sicilian on your own terms by Carsten Hansen (Russell Enterprises, 2017). Soltis is referring to the origin of the title of his 1982 book Beating the Sicilian, The Chameleon Variation and to the titles of other Soltis-penned works at around that time:
'Chess Digest had issued my previous pamphlets with titles like 1.b4. [Chess Digest owner Ken Smith] wanted something memorable. For subsequent pamphlets I suggested titles such as Nimzo-Larsen Attack (for 1.b3) and Baltic Defense (for 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Bf5).'
It is perhaps unclear if Soltis really suggested the title 'Nimzo-Larsen Attack' for his pamphlet on 1.b3 (the actual title was Larsen's Opening, which was a point of some significance to the discussion above). However, we do at least now know which name he uses to refer to this opening in the 21st century. Axad12 (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Incidentally, the page views analysis of this article (accessed via 'View History') indicates that since the name change here the average page views per day has gone up from approx 5 per day to approx 70 per day (probably fuelled mostly from Google?). Axad12 (talk) 13:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soltis quote 

message: This phrase links to Tempo (chess) but the word "hand" does not appear anywhere on that page. — MFH:Talk 03:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, I wasn't aware that there was a policy stating that all words in a linked phrase have to be included in the page that the link leads to. Could you provide a link to the policy and I'll take it on board for future use. Axad12 (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Having referred to the Manual of Style section on linking (MOS:LINK) I don't see any reason why the phrase "move in hand" should not have been linked to Tempo (chess). Perhaps you could clarify your point? Axad12 (talk) 07:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "a move in hand"