Talk:Nose

message: What is the evolutionary rationale behind humans' pronounced noses as compared to say chimps and gorillas? Lupin 08:40, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Evolutionary significance

message: Is that really the best we can do? With so many contributors, most of whom have noses, many of whom have cameras, and all of whom have access to the internet where there is probably some license-free image, that is the best?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sg227 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The human nose picture

message: From the Reference desk:
What is the evolutionary rationale behind humans' pronounced noses as compared to say chimps and gorillas? Lupin 12:08, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Aboriginal H.sapiens live in a far more diverse range of climates than do other great apes.  Humans native to arid, dusty places have  (very approximately) longer nasal passages, which helps to humidify the inhaled air (and secondarily, longer nasal passages afford more room for more nasal hairs, which helps block sand and dust). -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 13:58, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! That convinced me... should this be added to nose? That's where I went looking for it originally. Lupin 17:56, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It should only be added if it can be attributed to a source, and qualified with language that properly represents the acceptance of that source among evolutionary theorists. Humans are also unique in their ability to selectively close their nasal passage or their oral passage from the throat, which provided the capacity for speech. The evolution of more pronounced nasal protrusions also correlates with development of hard right angles in the oral passage and in the neural structure of hominids. Further, the greater nasal passage found in hominids facilitates cooling of air, which is distinct from the cleaning functions of nasal passages. What's more, there need not be a distinct survival advantage - the shape of human noses could have resulted from purely subjective preferential selection in breeding. One must be careful in making authoritative statements about the advantages of long noses not to offend those hominids who born of geneologies with less pronounced noses. The elongated nose, as interpreted by oriental macrobiotic physiogomy may be related to eating foods rich in both proteins and in precursors of dopamine, both of which are associated with aggressive behavior. The jury is still out on the question of whether aggression offers an evolutionary advantage or hastens the extinction of a species. ~.~ (anon)
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The bit about the "nasal compass" looks very suspect to me. If whoever wrote this can't provide a source (a scientific paper demonstrating that the nose compass exists) I think it should be deleted. (1) The whole human body, not just the nose, contains iron (in compounds, not as metallic iron) (2) iron only functions as a compass when magnetized (3) human beings are actually not good at orienting themselves and in a featureless landscape eg a desert will tend to go round in circles, which they would not do if they possessed a built in compass (4) other species tend to use (as far as we can tell) stars, the sun, and features in the landscape for navigation, not magnetic north (5) the magnetic poles wander over time, and the earth's magnetic field reverses from time to time. 
Exile 10:21, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Last I heard, "human magnetoception" was very controversial.  I think the claim stems from 1992 or so, when the pigeon magnetic field sensor was found to be a tiny skull region full of bio-magnetite and full of nerves.  Researchers looked for a human equivalent and found it in a nasal bone.  Whether it's functional was not known at the time.  Given that emotions run high among scientists about this topic (it has been regarded as on part with bigfoot and UFO research,) the controversy will probably obscure any results either way for years to come.  Also note: only crystalline iron compounds are magnetic (meaning ferromagnetic like iron metal.)  Single iron atoms in molecules are weakly paramagnetic ...but then so is dissolved oxygen. --Wjbeaty 21:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference Desk

message: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Neus1.jpg/180px-Neus1.jpg isn't a typical nose. A nose should slope downward from the face in a straighter line.  -Barry- 01:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the picture either.  Can't someone add their nose without having nose hairs coming out of it.  I also suggest someone without a lot of wrinkles add their nose to the article.--Dark Tichondrias 21:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the nose is fine. --Lukobe 22:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture of your own nose that you added, DT--has it been modified? Looks kind of Photoshopped. --Lukobe 05:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't the nose look nice?  We should all accept diversity in the United States.  Listen, I know there are different type of noses out there and I'm sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion to critique other peoples' noses, but the other nose was voted out by the consenses of other Wikipedians.  The other nose was described as being "ugly" because it had a crook, wrinkles and nose hair.  Now, everyone's noses do not fit other people's standard bar, but in my own opinion my nose is my nose and I am emotionally attached to my nose.  I am not going to chop off my nose to fit the hyped up, plastic standard.--Dark Tichondrias 18:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure how your response addresses my question. --Lukobe 18:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel very upset.  I do not want to draw out further hurtful devaluations based on the subjective whims of the narrow standard that is being pushed on my nose, my personhood.  Could some other user add their nose to this article?  User:Lukobe has taken it upon her/himself to be the final decision, so we hope User:Lukobe will accept whichever nose is added.--Dark Tichondrias 18:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's the PICTURE that's too cropped, not your nose. I challenge you to find anywhere where I've criticized your personal appearance. My point is that your picture doesn't show enough of the nose. The original picture shows the full nose and some of its surroundings.--Lukobe 19:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur. Whats with two white, aqualine noses being the example of human noses?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.229.34.157 (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The nose does lead to the brain though, for adding moisture to the air we breathe in as well as warming it up for our lungs. Ever wonder why it hurts to breathe in that really cold air during a jog? That's why it needs to be warmed up and moistened. Also what about Eygptians removing the brains of dead people through the nose? 71.250.34.13 13:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More common nose wanted 

message: Thoughts on whether the link to the Noses page at http://kennethomura.tripod.com is appropriate for inclusion? --Lukobe 21:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links 

message: I have removed the following section from the article because Talking Heads - Phrenology at the Countway Library of Medicine describes Nasology as "an extended joke at the expense of phrenology":
==Shapes of the human nose==
Human noses can take many different shapes according to the individual. An attempt to make a classification of noses was made in Eden Warwick's Nasology, where the following classes are presented, associating them with character traits in a way akin to phrenology, this 
*Class I: The Roman, or Aquiline nose, which is rather convex, but undulating as its name aquiline imports.
*Class II: The Greek or Straight nose, which is perfectly straight
*Class III: The African, or Wide-nostrilled nose, wide at the end, thick and broad, gradually widening from below the bridge. The other noses are seen in profile, but this one in full face.
*Class IV: The Jewish or Hawk nose, which is very convex, and preserves its convexity like a bow. It is thin and sharp
*Class V: The Snub nose
*Class VI: The Turn-up or Celestial nose, with a continuous concavity from the eyes to the tip
Image:Class_I_nose.jpg|Class I
Image:Class_II_nose.jpg|Class II
Image:Class_III_nose.jpg|Class III
Image:Class_IV_nose.jpg|Class IV
Image:Class_V_nose.jpg|Class V
Image:Class_VI_nose.jpg|Class VI
-- Donald Albury(Talk) 12:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd keep this paragraph: the classification in se is correct, the figures are nice, but it is the interpretation that was intended to mock phrenology. I'll add however some extended comment to explain it. LHOON 12:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be careful of Class IV. Calling that caricature of a nose Jewish smacks of anti-Semitism. I am against using any part of this, as the classification scheme itself was part of the joke. I think the whole thing is in very poor taste, and does not belong in the Nose article. It might be appropriate in Phrenology as an example of the reaction to Phrenology, but I do not think it belongs here. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 14:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems interesting to me to keep a paragraph about human nose morphology. Rather than engaging in an edit and revert war about this however, let's get some other people's opinion about this issue, maybe there are other proposals too, that's what a talk page is for! LHOON 14:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest removing it because these arbitrary distinctions in nose shape are obscure.  They are also named after racial groups which is not objective.  An objective approach would be to name them by shape, but even then there are more shapes than listed on the drawing gallery.--Dark Tichondrias 21:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling that caricature of a nose Jewish smacks of anti-Semitism. Don't be ridiculous. And this is why you prefer that the public remain uninformed about the different types of noses? --72.94.206.35 03:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling that shape of nose Jewish is indeed a common tactic of anti-semites. I also question the reality of the so-called nose types. Noses vary in many ways, and trying to assign them to types is subjective and not useful, especially when some of the types are called Roman, Greek, African and Jewish. -- Donald Albury 23:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, this is a sensitive to subject to many people, but rather than erasing the classifications, I propose that we include them in a historical and social context.  The article needs discussion of the fact that in the past, anthropologists (and popular imagination) have assigned intellectual characteristics to physical features (essentially, races).  Anti-Semitism and racism take this further to imputing "moral" characteristics to physical features.  This would be a perfect place for a mention of the use of the disputed "Jewish nose" for propaganda purposes, for example in Nazi Germany.  As to whether "nasology" (or whatever the classification of noses is called) is a joke: as late as 1949 a Yiddish textbook, Uriel Weinreich's College Yiddish, took nasal types seriously enough to include an informal survey listing the various types of noses that Jewish people possessed in a particular city, showing that they do not fall categorically under the "Jewish" type.  Perhaps in this article we should take out the ethnic description of the noses, as Donald Albury suggested, and list the types by their shape only, though some discussion of ethnicity in historical or social context should be included somewhere. Travis P. Johnson 05:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A well-sourced discussion of the use and mis-use of nose shapes to classify and pre-judge people would be good. The point I was making is that the cited source for 'Nasology' was apparantly intended to mock Phrenology, and was not intented to be taken seriously. -- Donald Albury 02:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "A well-sourced discussion of the use and mis-use of nose shapes to classify and pre-judge people" does not belong on an article on the nose, IMHO. I personally think it would belong better in an article about invalid stereotypes. --Kjoonlee 02:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it didn't look like it was particularly well-sourced, and neither was it a neat discussion. If info on nose morphology would be nice, something else would definitely be better. --Kjoonlee 02:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One other thing: my nose doesn't fit with any of those types... --61.72.41.169 02:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look to some other historical sources and try to find suitable figures. However, any connection between nose shape and personality traits should be considered - at the very least - controversial and should be treated with reserve. LHOON 08:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Nasology]]'' 

message: I had heard somewhere that the nose and ears never stop growing throughout life.  I was wondering if there was any truth to this, since I have googled and have found no conclusive answer.  Anyone know any references to prove/disprove? --72.202.129.98 17:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nose never stops growing? 

message: I removed Severus Snape from the famous nose list - put back with a citation Uncle uncle uncle 00:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Severus Snape

message: Uh, I'm not like a 'nose' expert or anything, but I don't know if this article should be all about Oprah.
Everyone would be better off without a nose, I say. Especially Oprah. 71.120.108.110 (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Oprah?

message: In most fish, the nose is the primary large organ for smelling. As the animal sniffs, the air flows through the nose and over structures called turbinates in the nasal cavity. I'm guessing that these two sentences should be in separate paragraphs, otherwise it sounds like the fish is smelling air. Am I wrong? Parables (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I am mistaken, but fish don't have noses... do they? Perhaps 'fish' should be replaced with 'mammals'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.41.206 (talk) 11:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The last remark seems a bit odd because the smell sense is all along the vertebrate lines. In fact we can only smell what dissolves in the water and diffuses to reach the olfactory tissues receptors. As the receptors and brain structures are about the same there is basically no difference in smell perception among vertebrates.Viridiflavus (talk) 10:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This seems fishy.

message: A sentence is missing its end, anyone have any ideas? I've fixed the fishy issue above as well as a few grammar errors. I've also moved the tapir picture.  
Mystery Correction (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: has become...

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Smeller (technology) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 14:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Add active voice: Eliminate the word is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.175.63 (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Add active voice to the Nose page and...Wikipedia