Talk:Islam in Albania

message: In light of the recent demographic study carried out by Pew for over 3 years and just released, it states that Muslims account for 79.9% with all other religions and affiliations accounting for 19.1%. This is backed up by a 2008 report by the Ministry of Statistics of Albania as well as Unicef.  Furthermore 95% of the Muslims in Albania are Sunni and less than 5% are Shia/Bektashi 
I will leave this message on here for about a week before changing the article.
The sources I am providing are http://www.childinfo.org/mics3_surveys.html and http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=451. You will need to download the pdf's.
I believe these are the most up to date and sources as well as unbiased. The statistics provided should not be confused with how much of the population is actually practicing that is a moot point. It’s to do with religious affiliation.
--Elias101 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 Pew Forum and Unicef map out muslim population in Albania 

message: In the Picture's caption, Ethem Bey should be Et'hem Bey. I'd change it but I dont know how to change it with out rendering the picture into text.  Freestylefrappe
: Fixed OneGuy 04:57, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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message: ""In October 2003, police arrested Kastriot Myftari, author of the book "Albanian National Islamism" on charges of inciting religious hatred. The book contained the author's opinions on Islam and how the religion has impacted Albanian life. According to the prosecutor's office, several statements in the book demeaned Islam. The prosecutor had asked the court for 6 months imprisonment for the author. In June, the court acquitted Myftari of all charges.""
This last paragraph does not seem very relevant especially regarding the fact that the author was found innocent in the end. I'll remove this from the main article page.--Vlug 06:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
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message: What's the source for this paragraph:
" A recent census has approximately 60% of the population as agnostic or atheistic, 12% as Roman Catholic, 18% as Albanian Orthodox, 7% as Muslim, and the rest as others. Ironically, Albania is considered by many a Muslim country though France has a greater percentage of Muslims."
Anyone has the source? If not, it should be deleted. 72.129.170.249 05:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Albania is 75% Muslim 15% Orthodox and 10% Catholic but not all are religious this is due to 50 years of communist rule but Islam has been growing rapidly since 1999 in 2004 the strength of Islam was shown when almost 200,000 people prayed the Eid/Bajram prayer in the streets of centre of Tirana (capital city) that is approximately a third of the population in the capital city and especially since 2004 Islam has been rising ever faster.
In Kosova 93% of the Population is Muslim the country canto become any more muslin unless the 6% of the Serbs and 1% of Roma Gypsys convert into Islam as well but realistically that's not happening Kosova has a small Albanian population that are non-Muslims its is around 15,000
:Your "statistics" are obsolete. Apart from cheap propaganda, I don't see any facts there. It just resembles Serbian websites talking about some phantasy-world islamic Albanians and such. But you can drop that here, because it's quite comical other than annoying. Where did you hear this nonsense: "200.000(!) people praying in the centre of Tirana"? Maybe you should say that in public around here and see the reaction of the people (but better not... if you want my advice). People here are some 74% nonreligious, last poll in 2004 by a private service and INSTAT the state stat. service. And that also quite fits the US state department data mentioned in the article, that from 2005 to 2006 had a decrease in estimates for the religious population in Albania from 30% to 25%, which leaves about 75% nonreligious. Thus the trend is not at all favourable toward religion. So if you take that into consideration maybe you'll even be able to see that the majority of mosques built in Albania after year 1994 with some peculiar Saudi Arabian funding, don't even have hodjas to manage them. Maybe even these Arabs were caught up in the "Albanians are muslims" hype. Eg. people have been sueing the two mosques in Tirana in the court of law because the muesins keep singing with loud speakers irritating the habitants. There's some misconception about this. Albanians weren't 70% muslims neither back in the 1930, cause even then the so called "statistics" were not real but rough estimates out of thin air. If there's a major religion here, they're the Orthodox Christians that have gained a lot of following, but all of them fall under the 25% of religious people, and no religion claims any majority of population in Albania, cause people would laugh at them. This shows you haven't got the slightest idea what's going on here for the last 100 years. If Albanians don't believe in gods, they just don't, where's the problem there? Isn't that supposed to be sth. personal? Vlug 19:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to interrupt but some little frustration problems there... eh. But, you know, it's not good to impose your islamic delusions upon others as reality. I think maybe Albanians are a 200% islamics and there is a world conspiracy that shows that instead they're Atheists. Keep fighting man, in the end you'll win. Just don't get out of the house. sth totally unrelated- are you sure you're Albanian? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.32.241.156 (talk) 08:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't mind him guys, he's a Serb posing as Albanian. They have quite some psychological problems up there and use the net for these things. Go figure.--Vlug 12:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Islam in Albania is long dead now. But you must keep on fighting nameless Serbian soldier / the world's depending on your shoulders. Incidentally, did you know that Albania is the only "muslim" country that didn't give a heck about those Muhammad cartoons. That's really strange, isn't it, because they are suppossed to be like... "muslims", aren't they? But strangely, none on the streets, none to even mention it, none to care at all. Not one single reaction. And do you know why, nameless soldier? Because Islam in Albania... is a bit... not there. But here you are, entertain yourself at Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy. --Kanibal 14:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: At what time will you take over the world, so that we prepare some popcorn.Dimror 10:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: People like you give Serbs a bad name. Point southeast and keep on walking. Johny Walker, failed impersonation label.--Kanibal 13:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The influence of Fethullah Gülen got very strong in recent times especially after the split between Gülen and Erdogan in 2013. http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanian-muslims-grapple-with-religious-identity/2027/3 (browse in Webarchive) The Gülen movement tries to bring the Albanian Moslems closer to the United States. You could mention it --87.154.191.202 (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I am getting to it. Much to do. Best. :) (talk) 13:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: . I have placed a sentence on the Gulen movement based on peer reviewed material. If you find something there in relation to Gulen bringing the US and Albania closer then ping me about it. Best.Resnjari (talk) 13:05, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  There were much more measures of the communist dictatorship against the Islamic community, for instance the prohibition of the Hajj, the outlawing of Moslem names, the changing of Moslem surnames to abbreviations, the prohibition of fasting during Ramadan (they were forced to eat) and the distribution of pork and alcohol to Moslems, as well as the forced separation of the Bektashi community from the Muslim Community of Albania in 1946, see the Albania section of the yearbook of Muslims in Europe.--87.152.166.42 (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I appreciate the feed back. I will say this. Content going into this article must be based on wp:reliable and wp:secondary previewed scholarly material (i.e journal articles, books etc). I have only placed sentences on the material that is available to me and that those sources contain. If you have come across any sources, place links to them here in the talkpage so i can have a look at them. Alternatively, instead of editing through an IP address, create an account (its easy) and assist me on this very important article about Muslim Albanians and Islam in Albania and bringing this up to high quality standards. There is still more to add on my part over the coming days to this article. What i had in mind in the way i want this article to be kind of layed out is similar to a few detailed Wiki articles: Islam in China, Islam in India and Islam in Indonesia and so on.  If you come across stuff on contemporary observances and practices in the scholarship too make me aware of it here. You will save a lot of time for me looking for it. By no means is this article finished. Happy editing and i hope you can come on board to assist. Also having your IP address show is not a good thing for privacy issues, so having an account allows you to do much more on Wiki using its other features and tools and also.  Best Resnjari (talk) 05:27, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gülen movement 

message: ::::::, i know where your coming from. The section though to which you are making changes to is about conversion of locals, not the actual arrival of the religion. The religion itself arrives with the Ottomans proper (solders stationed as garrisons, some administrative civil servants collecting tax etc) in the late 14th century. That is different from locals converting though. In the Islamisation article that is outlined and cited. Recorded instances of locals converting is in the 15th century (starting with the elites mainly). Everything is outlined and heavily referenced with wp:reliable and wp:secondary. Consult them for more if its a topic of interest. Best.Resnjari (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamisation 

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message: This parts sound very interesting. If its true it means that Albania was the first Balkan region where Islam was introduced. On the other hand, historical data about Byzantine Albania (Theme of Dyrrahium) don't mention any contact with Muslim people/missionaries.Alexikoua (talk) 10:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Came into contact, its in reference to that. People from the Muslim world passing through, that's why in the Jazexhi source the word is introduced. Nothing about coverts. Zero. Nothing also about being the first. The bit stayed in the article from way back. Jazexhi places that every year in that Muslim yearbook thing. Also the Ottoman presence was a conquest. Academia refers to a conquest. No need for POVish words like "invasion".Resnjari (talk) 13:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you understand the diferrence between "unknown people that were just passing through" from "the arrival of a new religion" in a specific region. If we believe that Islam arrived so early this makes Albania the first Balkan region.Alexikoua (talk) 15:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Yes i do, because a new religion can arrive in an area if a group of people settled there, even a few for a short period of time without gaining converts (i.e merchants). An example of this was Byzantine Istanbul who had Muslims long before the bulk of the Anatolian Orthodox Greek speaking people became Muslim Turkish speakers (i.e: todays Anatolian Turks), so Islam introduced there long before. Many other examples of that kind. I went with Jazexhi's, wording. In of his works he explains it further, i will find it when i have time -its not a priority - the priority stuff is covered in the article.Resnjari (talk) 03:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: Hello please change this the percentage of muslims in Albania is about 75-80% in this article is wrong they say 58% but is different im Albanian i know it or if you don't belive me search in wikipedia or in other sites in google in Albanian language "numri i muslimaneve ne shqiperi" and you will see that the number of muslims in Albania is 75-80% in all informations in google and if you ask Albanians here most of them will say that is muslim please review article because when i change the percentage to right number always someone else change it to wrong number the right number is about 75-80% Flori Florian (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You're all absolutely wrong. Islam in Albania is about 59% and Christianity is about 38% according to the correct analysis of 2020 by Oxford studies 79.106.124.238 (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage of Muslims