Talk:Dieudonné M'bala M'bala

message: *Some links on DMM and his ties to Holocaust deniers and far rightists 
*http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolocaustDenial_83/5429_83.htm
*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4001332/French-comedian-gives-award-to-Holocaust-denier.html
*http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/outrage-at-french-comicrsquos-award-for-holocaust-denier-1214725.html
*http://thejewishchronicle.org/view/full_story/2424137/article-When-is-anti-Zionism-no-longer-funny-in-France--Ask-Dieudonne-
*http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/only-in-france-the-black-antisemitic-comedian-at-a-rally-of-le-pens-far-right-424947.html
It seems to me there shouldn't even be any argument any more about how relevant Holocaust denial is in the public perception of DMM. But there you go... --Insert coins (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: syrian agent photographed in Beyrouth with dieudonné and Manaf Tlass colonel in the syrian Republican Guard personal of Assad you can see in this picture:
source:
https://static.prtst.net/asset-proxy/4acb95604884c0bfdf6abd481a0e309d77d9b202/687474703a2f2f7265666c657865732e73616d697a6461742e6e65742f494d472f6a70672f64696e65725f746c6173735f66616d696c6c652e6a7067/http://reflexes.samizdat.net/IMG/jpg/diner_tlass_famille.jpg
meyssan is on the right, dieudonné in the middle.
Dieudonné is the director of Les Ogres Website, which denies September 11.
Iranian republic openly declares support Dieudonné M'bala M'bala.  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.33.208 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: associations

message: Hi, the article is fully protected for three days, that is plenty of time for some discussion to resolve this, there is a BLP report about this recent edit warring, please see and comment there, thanks Youreallycan (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP noticeboard report

message: I think now that the interior minister Manuel Valls is commenting on the matter, it is no longer "low importance"Geo8rge (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Such rankings are technically about whether this article is important for Wikipedia's overall coverage of France topics... AnonMoos (talk) 07:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low-importance France articles 

message: I have added a sentence about a recent incident in an English football match. It is rather trivial, but I included it as it is probably the first time most UK residents became aware of the issue. Tigerboy1966  09:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Anelka

message: See http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/01/the-bete-noire-of-the-french-establishment/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.221.179 (talk) 17:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media targets Dieudonne because he won't fall in line 

message: This sentence: "The Islamic regime of Iran openly declares its support for Dieudonné M'bala M'bala." has no context, no source, and seemingly nothing to do with Dieudonne's political views (the section in which it appears). It should be removed. 67.255.12.232 (talk) 03:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran's opinion of Dieudonne is not *his* political view 

message: You could add a few dates. The quenelle was first performed around 2005. It was a kind of fist fucking at first used in comedy show and did not have the political sens that you give it now.  Then, it was reused in 2009 for the European elections as an anti-system gesture.
Please do check the French article it's not perfect but far more balanced than yours.
What is not mentioned also is that Dieudonné is suing Alain Jakubowicz, the director of the LICRA (International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism), for saying that the quenelle had a relationship with a nazi salut. -- 18:00, 4 January 2014‎ Utope.spiro
:Why should anybody give any credence to M'bala M'bala's perfunctory pro forma disclaimers at this point, given his abundantly-documented record of abundant instances of bad faith? -- AnonMoos (talk) 05:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The quenelle 

message: this makes no grammatical sense. Either remove "also" or add an anti-system description to the gesture. Otherwise it is leading propaganda if it describes the physical move only and this should be corrected
"The quenelle invented by Dieudonné is a gesture comprised by a downward straight arm touched at the shoulder by the opposite hand. La Quenelle has also been described as a reverse Nazi salute."
70.29.242.105 (talk) 15:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2014 

message: Opinion polls
2014 controversy
I am sorry but any public polls from newspapers websites have shown a 60-80% support to Dieudonne, only closed polls from CSA ( state owned institute ) and other opinion polls institute which lack transparancy in France ( lets say they've been proven wrong on any poll for the past 20 years ) have revealed bad support, at least show both results.(signed by ?)
:Are there sources for this ? Pluto2012 (talk) 07:18, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other point 

message: He has a long career in comedy; as it stands the article is heavily biased towards a rather small part of it, and the controversy surrounding it.  Hope someone can add a little more depth, perhaps cross-link to other comedians who have used a 'nazi like salute' in their humour - particularly in Nazi-held territories under Hitler. 79.74.102.6 (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias towards current controversial intepretation of 'la quenelle'. 

message: Dieudonné is not only controversial for his politics. Right now he's under investigation for fraudulent insolvency and money laundering. He didn't pay his fines of 65000 euros that he was condemned for. He claimed to be penniless and asked his fans for donations. But when the police raided his house, they found 650000 euros and 15000 dollars. In cash. He also owns a property with swimming pool and tennis court, a 68000 euros barge, a 20000 euros Mercedes, a 10000 euros quad bike... Not bad for an insolvent.
Source : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/778796canard1.jpg
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2014/02/12/la-pretendue-banqueroute-de-dieudonne-mise-en-echec_979855
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/la-fortune-cachee-de-dieudonne_1323338.html.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.11.46.107 (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: 20,000 € seems very little for a Mercedes... Pluto2012 (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  fraudulent insolvency 

message: The lede should be no more than four paragraphs, so it needs some massaging.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The lede used to be way too short.  Lengthening proved pretty controversial but eventually it was done but by now it is so long that people are beginning to put things twice in it... *facepalm*.  It definitely needs pruning. Mezigue (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede 

message: Really, that should be updated, french news, called media-mensonge by Dieudonne , meaning media-lies, have cut a part of his show, that isn't relevant, cut out of his context. The phrase was texto "Tu vois lui, si le vent tourne, je ne suis pas sûr qu'il ait le temps de faire ses valises. Moi, tu vois, quand je l'entends parler, Patrick Cohen, je me dis, tu vois, les chambres à gaz... Dommage !", to what was added 'it's a silly brain talking to you' referring to what he has been called in an interview months earlier by Patrick Cohen, jewish and sionist, as alain soral , patrick nabe, and tariq ramadan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeeeLO2UIuk !So now, that was part of the show for dieudonne to interpret a 'silly brain', that isn't us to judge, if we like it or not, but that is the fact! That's why it wasn't considered antisemite, or encouraging people to hatred, when the show was suited , in Nates tribunal! Manuel valls, decided to obstruct the decision of justice and to resort to the state council tribunal! A decision that have really controversed by the population and comedians!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shokol8 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gas Chambers 

message: The External Links section is bloated, having eleven links.  If there's one external link that should be there, it's the official Dieudonné website, but since it was absent, I added it just now.  The other links should probably be pruned way back, eliminated, or used (if appropriate) as inline references.  See WP:EL. Mathglot (talk) 22:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: One removed, to MySpace--FeralOink (talk) 13:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloated [[Dieudonné_M%27bala_M%27bala#External_links|External Links]] section Suggestion 

message: «M'Bala M'Bala's arrest over his "Je suis Charlie Coulibaly" comments sparked discussion over a perceived hypocrisy concerning freedom of speech, contrasting his bans and arrest, with the freedom for Charlie Hebdo to publish controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.[89][90][91].»
There is a very integral component missing from this explanation: Dieudonné thought he was using his right to free speech and he was arrested; Charlie Hebdo writers thought they were expressing their right to free speech, and WERE MURDERED! If Dieudonné has been wrongly accused, then the hand of justice will find he should be acquitted - you know, as part of the process that takes place in civilized countries where the rule of law is enforced by judicial findings and rulings, and not through the barrel of a gun. In the meantime, to victimize Dieudonné and make him out to be as innocent as the victims of the Charlie Hebdo massacre is outrageous.In Dawkins we trust (talk) 14:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't make the news, we just report what's in the news.  What we need to do here is give proper WP:WEIGHT to this claim in contrast to the claim that his comments promote terrorism.  It appears that 3/5ths of that paragraph are currently supporting the minority viewpoint.  Everything from the sentence you quote onward.  So, there is a weight problem, indeed.--v/r - TP 17:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: - and too much quoted of his specious mea non culpa, imo , -  -but  what is the majority viewpoint? maybe indexoncensorship dieudone is  a racist and he has right a right to free speech ? following debate on twitter there is also those who reject the equation hebdo/dieudonne, they are about different things  one is article of faith, one is  6 million dead -but  believe in  free speech.  Sayerslle (talk) 17:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority viewpoint, as I showed above with ample major RS's, is that Dieudonne made an inappropriate comment and is now under investigation.--v/r - TP 17:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraph is a total mess now! Y'all need to stop messing with it for awhile! It isn't even grammatically correct any longer. I am removing the reference to THIS: http://quenelplus.com/a-la-une/liberte-dexpression-dieudonne-repond-a-bernard-cazeneuve.html It is a website for that racist "I hate Jews" motion, Dieudonne's quenelle! NPOV!--FeralOink (talk) 13:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry. I got grumpy.--FeralOink (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence, at this point, is appropriately versed and NPOV, look into the word perceived. The weight is also appropriate. @TP: Majority viewpoint does not govern Wikipedia, significance does; all significant viewpoint is presented. – nafSadh did say 16:03, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "all significant viewpoint is presented" Umm, no.  You are forgetting the rest of that sentence from WP:UNDUE.  It reads: "each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources."  In other words, we don't make a minority viewpoint appear equal to a majority viewpoint.  Whomever told you different was wrong, or else you're trying to push a point of view.  So you might want to explain yourself.  The majority viewpoint is the one we cover the most.  At the time of my 17:19, 15 January 2015 comment, 60% of the paragraph covered the minority viewpoint.  In reality, 80% of the sources support the majority viewpoint and 20% support the minority viewpoint.  And it really makes a serious dent on your argument that the minority viewpoint is equal to the majority viewpoint when you have to rely on a racist website to promote your viewpoint.  We rely on reliable sources here, not some crap that racists make up.  The 2015 section on this issue should have an 80/20 split at most with the 20% covering the minority viewpoint.  Because all editors are required to follow the terms of use with each edit, and because the terms of use require that all editors follow policy, and because the NPOV policy requires this, it is required that all editors on every edit seek this 80/20 balance.  Because User:Saint91's method of "You are welcome to add views critical of Dieudonne" doesn't fly here.--v/r - TP 17:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge problem with this sentence 

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