Talk:List of democratic socialist parties and organizations

message: Last time I checked Canada had a political party, which is now the official opposition with 103 seats out of 308 that is constitutionally committed to "democratic socialism".  Why is the NDP not on this list?  Could someone with the ability to edit please rectify this error, they're certainly further to the Left than the Parti Quebecois!!
:Added! Ghostofnemo (talk) 08:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is the New Democratic Party of Canada

message: I would personally oppose the inclusion of the Sinn Fein party in this list: whilst their rhetoric is often left-wing, their supporters could often be associated with the new right - see for example the violence against asians in Dublin during the Sinn Fein supporters' riots earlier this year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.206.1.17 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 6 December 2006  (UTC)
:This may be a discussion that should take place on the :Sinn Fein talk page -- that article currently describes it as a democratic socialist party, so it makes sense to include it here for the time being. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 19:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinn Fein

message: I don't think this section belongs in a "List of democratic socialist parties and organizations" article.  While there are democratic socialist organizations working within centrist parties (Democratic Socialists of America comes to mind), there is no reason these cannot be included in the actual list.  The current section seems argumentative and POV, and I don't think lists of left-wing individuals belong in this article.  Anyone care to write in its defense? -David Schaich Talk/Cont 00:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Factionalism in centrist parties.

message: I don't know how to automagically alphabetize a wiki list; I hope someone who does, will do so to this one.  --Davecampbell 02:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or alphabetize by country? These are English translations of many of the party names. Ghostofnemo (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabetize list?

message: Why does this list list social democratic parties when they already have a list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghostbear616 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the intro says that some social democratic parties are listed since they "include significant numbers of democratic socialist members".  Are there any in particular that you think don't belong in this list? -David Schaich Talk/Cont 02:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that as long as they have significant social democratic and democratic socialist membership and positions (or paper or in practice, or both), there's little problem with keeping them in both lists.  In some cases might it be worth adding a footnote with some more information?  -David Schaich Talk/Cont 23:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Social Democratic Party of America there is proof of a type of duel schools of thought on their "Join Us" page oath at bottom.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.45.99 (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  They already have a list! 

message: I personally believe the title should be renamed "List of socialist parties and organisations" instead of "list of democratic socialist parties and organisations" as it would be open to inclusion of other socialist or leftist currents, I have examined the article and it appears we have eco-socialist, revolutionary socialist, and even Trotskyist political parties and/or groups in here. It just makes sense to re-title the article, which will also allow us to expand it, past its current expansion. Renaming using  the generic term "socialism" makes the article much wider in scope. It can allow us to include, liberal socialist, market socialist, religious socialist, libertarian socialist, eco-socialist, and utopian socialist political parties or groups, of course half of the socialist currents listed are rarely practiced in the modern world, but democratic socialism, eco-socialism, and market socialism seem to be still widely accepted ideologies within the socialist movement. B. M. L. Peters (talk) 22:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. Changing the title would lead to it becoming so big as to be useless (there are so many Trotskyist parties out there...) and would open up new areas of contention (are Communist parties socialist? are Ba'athist parties? "national socialist" parties?). I'm not really sure what the purpose of such a big list would be, when we have categories for that sort of thing. We also have an even more exhaustive list: List of left-wing political parties. Other list pages include: List of communist parties, List of Labour parties, List of social democratic parties, List of Trotskyist organizations by country,  and a page Socialist Party which lists all the parties called Socialist Party. So I think I'd go for specific rather than general. By the way, if we do keep it democratic socialist, the following are borderline cases that we might need to discuss, as they don't have reliable sources on their pages indicating they are demsoc: Sandinista National Liberation Front, Patriots of Russia, Estonian United Left Party, Fatah, Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, Left Party (Sweden), Working Families Party, Peace and Freedom Party, United Socialist Party of Venezuela.BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that every entry in this list is a borderline case. There is no universally accepted definition of democratic socialism, the term has been used by different tendencies to imply different things over time. Notably it largely overlaps with social democracy, and the better option would be to merge this article in the list of social democratic parties. --Soman (talk) 10:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing name change