Talk:Black Dutch (genealogy)

message: This is poorly sourced, appearing to depend on a 1920s-1930s researcher, with much supposition and leaps of faith.  Not sure it is worth keeping.  Brent Kennedy is not an expert on Melungeons; his suppositions have been disproved by Dr. Virginia DeMarce, Paul Heinegg, and emerging results in the Goin Melungeon DNA study.--Parkwells (talk) 01:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Questioning Melungeon sources

message: I have always been told that my Great-great grandmother was black dutch.  I've also been told that two of my great grandmothers were Cherokee Indians.  Over the years people have told me that my high cheek bones indicate cherokee indian.  When I see pictures of Cherokee Indians they look just like my grandfather, with high cheekbones, white hair and bushy eyebrows. Vanessa1allman (talk) 03:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Black Dutch was definitely a term used to disguise Cherokee and Choctaw ancestry in my husband's Middle TN family from the 1900s to the 1960s or so. I have never heard this term applied to Rom (Gypsy) people -- only to Native or mixed Native/Europeans trying to "pass" for white in TN, KY, OK, and adjacent states. I have found references to this usage all over the web, for instance in the Yahoo group Cherokeendn, where numerous people spontaneosuly have posted that "Black Dutch" -- or the related "Black Irish" -- was the term their own family used. It is not new, it is not controversial, and if it is poorly documented, that is not the fault of those who have used this term for many decades in the South. I am saddened to see how argumentative this simple fact seems to some. catherine yronwode (not logged in, sorry) 64.142.90.33 (talk) 06:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any citations for Black Dutch's shift in meaning to a white person with native blood? -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cherokee

message: I have attempted to improve this article by giving it proper Wikipedia heading structure, adding more references, restoring some good referenced text that was deleted three years ago, and bringing in an image of the Cherokee chief known as "Dutch," who had previously not been mentioned at all. I think the article could still use some editing, but i am satisfied that at this point it is not an embarrasment to Wikipedia, as it was when i found it tonight. cat yronwode, still not logged in, but still me. 64.142.90.33 (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More refs, more data, text restoration, image

message: Removed the image and content related to the Cherokee chief Tah-Chee, as, other than the coincidence of the name, his life and experiences did not seem to have any relation to the Black Dutch discussion; he was not identified as mixed-race, and he did not stay in the area of the Southeast during or after Indian removal.  In addition, the citation for the material was wrong, as it came from an 1837 book, rather than an antiquarian's website.Parkwells (talk) 21:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing

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