Talk:List of graphic adventure games

message: What about the new Leisure Suit Larry games that were launched in the 2000s decade and 2010s decade ? They are not in the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.36.231.16 (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: New Larrys

message: What exactly disqualifies these games from the list?145.100.125.133 (talk) 06:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 2022, The 7th Guest and The 11th Hour are included in the list. Sapientia Obscura (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  7th guest / 11th hour 

message: Added the 6 games that were missing from the list. But some (the first 7) games are illustrated IF, not graphic adventures. Check here. I think they should be removed (they better fit in a list of text adventures/IF). Any thoughts? --Pikazis (talk) 12:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tough call; They are more traditional text-parser games, but it says you can interact with them by clicking on the image in many cases, which I'd say makes them graphical. I'd say we should err on the side of completeness, since the defining trait listed at Graphic adventure game is the fact you can see the situation, instead of relying solely on a description. "graphic adventures revolutionized gameplay by making use of visual human perception.", which would seem to include the Legend games, if only just. --Canageek (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend Entertainment games 

message: Hi all. I wanted to start a discussion here so that we can come to a consensus on what kind of referencing would best work for this article, and in doing so, address the weaknesses raised by the "needs additional citations" tag.
One possible approach is to add an additional column to the list, labelled "References", within which to add inline citations for each of items included in the list. Any thoughts? (talk) user:Al83tito  19:15, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The sheer existence of a game is a trivial information and thus does not need citation. A list of things doesn't generally need citation. In some cases the classification of a game as "graphic adventure" may be doubtable for the reader and thus needs sources (game mags etc.) that classify the game as such. In some cases a game may be so rare or obscure that the reader may question its existence, in that case a citation can help. On a side note, the "notes" column is superfluous as it contains information that belongs into the game article, not into this list. Kind regards, Grueslayer 09:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi User:Grueslayer. In response to your remark: "The sheer existence of a game is a trivial information and thus does not need citation. A list of things doesn't generally need citation." I'm not sure this is correct, assuming I'm not misreading MOS:LIST. The MOS says: "The items on these lists might include links to specific articles or other information, and must be supported with references like any article. [...] Lists, whether they are stand-alone lists (also called list articles) or embedded lists, are encyclopedic content just as paragraph-only articles or sections are. Therefore, all individual items on the list must follow Wikipedia's content policies: the core content policies of Verifiability (through good sources in the item's one or more references), [...] Reaching consensus on the talk page before editing the list itself not only saves time in the long run, but also helps make sure that each item on the list is well referenced and [...] When an item meets the requirements of the Verifiability policy, readers of the list can check an item's reference to see that the information comes from a reliable source. [...] Even if you're sure that an item is relevant to the list's topic, you must find a good source that verifies this knowledge before you add it to the list (although you can suggest it on the talk page), and add that source in a reference next to the item." --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:7015:D73C:A515:90B5 (talk) 15:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to address the tag: "needs additional citations" 

message: An IP removed some indie games from the list because  There is merit to that: the AGS website alone details over 2600 games (100 per page). More importantly, there's also WP:NOTCATALOG to consider - listing every adventure game in existence would go against WP's purposes. Some objective criteria of relevance appears necessary, such as being described by reliable sources as an adventure game (there is already a tag demanding more citations) or having an article (which usually indicates it has established notability). --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess games that have articles are safe shots. For the rest common sense says that notability must seem at least likely. So the notability guidelines that apply to articles on video games apply to list entries here as well. Maybe a bit less strict. As a reader I would want to find somewhat less notable entries here as well, but not non-commercial games (unless notable for whatever the reason). Regarding games from, say, the 90's, "commercial release" could be a valid criterion, but today every Tom, Dick and Harry can release their home-made game on Steam, so that's no longer applicable. I have no solution at hand. But there's more lists on WP than this one, some with awards, so there should be applicable rules out there. Kind regards, Grueslayer 19:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering why there even is a list for this, when we use a category for :Category:Point-and-click adventure games... This list currently has 800+ entries, and could easily be expanded to include 2000+, even with relatively strict criteria discussed above. Is that really something we want? --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:7015:D73C:A515:90B5 (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria 

message: This list includes entries of games that are adventure games but not graphic adventure games. Probably with the best intentions, editors have added games such as Stray, which is an "adventure game" and a game that uses "graphics", but is not a "graphic adventure game". Allowing additions without references might exacerbate the problem. One problem with the article is that there is no lead section. A lead could explain to readers what exactly are graphic adventure games. There are several links to graphic adventure game, but likely that's insufficient. Because that's a vague 'lead' for several subsections that include many types of games, from walking simulators to escape the room games. It's actually kind of funny that there's no List of point-and-click adventure games, even though that subset of adventure games is far more distinct. There is a category for these games though. Hm. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:7015:D73C:A515:90B5 (talk) 16:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Or is every game that has graphics and an adventure a "graphic adventure game"? Because if it is, then it includes such an insane amount of (commercial) games that we should never even have tried to create this list. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:7015:D73C:A515:90B5 (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Adventure games