Talk:Naturism/Archive 3

message: Why was I directed to naturism from nudism?  I thought the merging of nudism and naturism was complete.  It should be locked in or something.  Then we can finish the discussion of what to call it.  My preference is social nudity.  Clothes free (sic without a hyphen) is negative, awkward, and unpopular. Korky Day 01:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You always will keep a bunch of redirects, and especially if you replace general used terms with a new construct. KimvdLinde 13:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my own perspective here, but arguing over the usage of the terms "nudism" vs. "naturism" sounds to me like Star Trek fans arguing over the terms "Trekkie" vs. "Trekker/Trekkor"... I've always viewed the two as being synonyms of each other. Kilraven 00:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nudism & naturism are equal terms, and are overlapping groups 

message: Please treat this page as if it were "social nudity" or "clothes free movement" or "clothes free culture" as info on naturism and nudism both are on this page and we are trying to create a NPOV article on the general topic. Please note that a requst to move the page to social nudity has been put foward. Please join the discussion on this topic. Thank you for your NPOV contributions to Wikipedia. Dandelion1 02:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please use NPOV language on this page!!!! 

message: Ok, I have been digging in the history of this page.
On 25 March 2006 Sceptre moved both Naturism and Nudism to Clothes free movement  and  to repair a crude cut/paste move (cut/paste move fix), a consequence of moving the page content of these pages to the Clothes free movement page by User:Dandelion1 aka User:Dandelion at March 13 see page history dif. Unfortunatly, the page histories of Nudism and Clothes free movement are unavailable for me. Coincedently, the Clothes free movement saw its light just months before at the beginning of Januari 2006 when the commercial The International Naturists Association (INA) changed its name in Januari 2006 to ClothesFree International, Inc. see . This same person is now frantically pushing for the change of the page name from Naturism to Social nudity. KimvdLinde 06:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, it is a coincidence. So what? Use of the term "clothes free/clothing free" and "social nudity" predate the corporate name change. I personally have been using those conventions before ClothesFree Interational made the change as well. It has also been in use by the naturist and nudist community (see sources at bottom of page). Please stop your wild conspiratorial accusations or go find some solid proof that something more is going on. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 19:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to know you are not associated in any way with the ClothesFree International, Inc.. KimvdLinde 05:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I associate with many people, naturists, nudists, TFTBY, BFC, SLUGS, ClothesFree International, TNS/NAC/NEF, WNBR, Solstice Cyclists, Body Pride Ride, Hemp Ride, but I am only a member of TNS, SLUGS and BFC. Many of my closest associates are naturists and nudists. I also work with others who enjoy social nudity or select public activities who do not use those labels. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 17:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics and commercial interests 

message: Naturism is a specific, quasi-religious movement. It can no more be used to describe all efforts to outgrow the nudity taboo than you could just call ALL religions "Christianity". To put all nudism under naturism is, in fact, exactly like putting all religion under "Christianity". A more neutral, wider term needs to be used instead. "Social nudity" is hardly perfect, but much better than "Naturism". --Kaz 02:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. But I do not object to move it to nudism, as that term is the most used anyway. KimvdLinde 07:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Agree.  Also naturism is a euphemism.  See above section. Korky Day 07:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naturism is Ridiculously Specific