Talk:Jason Voorhees/Archive 1

message: Jason has been awarded the MTV Lifetime Achievement award. Please restore this information in the trvia section. Warwolf 07:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, a source that can verify that would be nice. Bignole 12:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I helped you out and found a clip of the event.Bignole 12:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't take it out. Check the history. Most of it wasn't trivia but original research anyway, but if you want an explaination you'll have to talk to Bloddyfriday.   BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  19:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I'm recommending Actors to portray Jason Voorhees should be merged in here. Any objections? Stifle (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None here. That article not only repeats everything that this article has, but it's also in not in the best shape. When it's done, the succession boxes need to be tweaked; I'm not sure "to play" sounds right within the context it's used. --Bacteria 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  That article is in poor shape.  I'll be bold and work on the merge, also fixing the wording in the succession boxes.  --Myles Long 14:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

text: There didn't really seem to be anything to merge (everything in it was either here or in Friday the 13th (film series), so I redirected that article here.  I also changed the wording in the succession boxes to "Actors portraying Jason Voorhees" as that seems to be more grammatically correct than "Actors to portray Jason Voorhees."  Feel free to change it to a wording that makes more sense.  Also, instead of years in the succession boxes, I'd suggest listing the films in which the actor appeared.  Any thoughts? --Myles Long 15:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Actors to portray Jason Voorhees]]

message: if jason isn't making the "ch-ch-ch" noise then what is?  i'm not trying to be jerky; i just seriously don't know what the fan speculation is. Sparsefarce 22:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source indicating that the sound is anything other than background music? I've certainly never seen one.--Sean Black (talk) 22:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: no no no.  i'm not the one that added that comment in the article.  it just got me thinking is all.  i always assumed that it was jason making that noise.  it never occurred to me that it could be considered music or a soundtrack.  i was just wondering what fans' opinions are.  how is this covered in, say, the novelizations or comic book versions of the F13 series, as i've never read them?  Sparsefarce 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's explained in the DVD commentary, I've added a note to the end of the Trivia section. Slavedriver 19:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  that noise 

message: I noticed this article was added to "fictional psychopaths" wich Jason isn't. Jason's motivation is to avenge his mother by "punishing" anyone who enters crystal lake, who he associates with the death of himself and his mother. Also a phsycopath is defined by a lack of fear, remorse and empathy for the pain of others. Jason just lacks remorse.
Theres no such thing as a dream state.Jason subconsiously fears water,the water brought back memories of his drowning. Thats why Freddy recreated the Jason's drowning, the memoiries terrified Jason and Freddy would have been able to drown him if the van hadn't crashed.
Jason's love for his mother also proves he isn't a phsychopath since a phsycopath is sopposedly incapable of caring for someone.
alright jason is not a psycho,but he has no fear wich made it very difficult
for freddy to effectively destroy him
:It seems ficitional killers are too often associated with pretty much every term related to insanity used in pop culture. These include the terms "serial killer" and "psychopath," and I wish these two respective categories will stop be added to this article. Both of these are based on deep psychological issues; Jason is simply a killing machine, his only defined objective being simple revenge. If someone wants to adhere to the idea that Jason is a serial killer, I'll supply the reasons on why he isn't. But for now, a psychopath implies a mental illness, and there is not evidence that Jason suffers from such a thing. Psychopaths are characterised considerably by manipulation to satisfy their own wants, and Jason's only desire is implied to be nothing more than the kill itself (and even that maybe more of an impulse likened to a shark than a personal want). And to clarify, in terms of fear, in this context it is related to one's actions, not in terms of phobias like Jason's implied fear of water. There isn't enough evidence for me to believe that Jason has a mental illness, and I will continue to remove the incorrect categories unless someone can properly support otherwise. --Bacteria 10:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think saying Jason "blames humanity" is being a bit overdramatic. In my opinon, I believe he is simply acting out a misunderstood sense of revenge. Of course, debating why he kills is rather moot as the films are never entirely consistent, or at least clear on what Jason's motive(s) actually is. There's the implication of revenge by murdering everyone involved in Camp Crystal Lake. In Jason Goes to Hell, he seems to simply kill everyone in order to just get his body back (and the fact that it implies that he's a demon doesn't help the whole "human emotion" thing). But, of course, in Freddy vs. Jason, we get a gander at the idea that Jason's motivation can easily be swayed, and the fact that he can so easily be fooled backs up my theory that he has a rather child-like naivity about what he's doing. And the concept that Jason is a killing machine is not entirely my own thoughts. Many behind the scenes have spoken of Jason in such a way, and is literally referred to as a shark in the Jason Lives novelisation. In fact, the revelation that he has a small brain in Jason X is a reference to a specific legendary killing machine: Tyrannosaurus. In all honesty, the films have so scattered the elements, that I don't think you can find an irrefutable thread in Jason's logic and engine throughout the entire series.--Bacteria 02:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick quibble:  the statement "In fact, the revelation that he has a small brain in Jason X is a reference to a specific legendary killing machine: Tyrannosaurus." is folly.  Tyrannosaurus was one of the larger-brained therapods.  The Tyrannosaurids were beaten out only by the Dromaeosaurids ("Raptors") and the Troodontids (like Stenonychosaurus) in intelligence; at least among the non-avian Dinosaurs (if modern Dinosaurs are included, the list is shot to hell, since Crows have almost human-like intelligence, at least compared to other Dinosaurs). More likely, the "small brain" thing is a reference to sharks.  --Corvun 17:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't doubt that you're wrong (and I did try to verify it on the site's article), but I'm just citing the writer from the Jason X audio commentary. True or not, that was their intention. --Bacteria 03:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the Jason X writer actually referred to T. rex as a legendary, small-brained killing machine?  Y'know, I once dated a chick who'd gotten it into her head that the lagendarily small-brained Stegosaurus (who, back in the day, was supposed to have a "helper brain" at the end of its tail because it's brain 
supposedly wasn't even large enough to handle the beast's motor function) was a typical Dinosaur.  I had no idea how widespread this misconception really was till just this moment.  A cited quote (and a quick note in parentheses indicating that T. rex is actually considered one of the smarter dinosaurs, or something) would be definite fodder for the "trivia" section of the article!  --Corvun 05:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason is not a psychopath

message: Actually, the beginning of part 3 shows Jason on the floor of his makeshift shack lying down. He removes the machete that Ginny put in his shoulder and crawls away. Since the scene at the end of part 2 has him still with the machete in his shoulder, that furthers the hallucination idea.
10:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 2 note

message: I've noticed that the article has begun to incorporate information that is not seen on film, taken from the books and/or comics. The problem is that this article, nor the Friday the 13th series article, make mention of the canonicity of these spin-off publications. If they're not canon (and this issue is something I'd like to see addressed), then we need a seperate section to handle his off-screen apearances, not integrating them into the established history. --Bacteria 11:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, it wasn't a complete sentence, and it had grammer issues (which it isn't the responsibility of other edits to make major corrections to edits, which does not include copyediting). Also, the statement had nothing to do with Leatherface and Jason being confused for one another. People do not confuse the characters, they confuse the weapons the characters use. Also, you were introducing "speculation", not fact. Bignole 03:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-film information

message: This article needs some work, and I believe it has enough information to be done well enough to be a featured article. Here is an example of a featured article about a fictional film character. I think we could use this as a guide to better this article. Bignole 14:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just create an infobox for Jason. There are a couple bits of information that I wasn't sure about (i.e Height, weight). Bignole 15:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently working at the main body of the article, again using Jabba as the guide. If you wish to see the progress then please go here. If you wish to add something to that, or have an idea then please go here. Bignole 17:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's clear that he didn't drown as a child. If he had drown then he wouldn't have aged to an adult. If his body was already dead, then it would stop aging, cause that would mean it was alive. But, since he is an adult when he kills Alice, he never truly died in the lake. Bignole
But I think that's applying assumptions where the fiction at hand leaves holes. The series doesn't put much light on the issue, going as far as to tip-toe around it. And recall that if there is something supernatural regarding Jason, evident as the series progresses, then the aging issue is moot - the details of the so-called drowning incident is never given, and several years between the drowning and his resurfacing occur, leaving who knows what to to go down in that time. At the least, the article is inconsistent on this, glaring over these details, and I'm sure confusing anyone who is unfamiliar with the films. --Bacteria 06:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It's hardly assumption, it's deductive logic. We know he supposedly drowned as a boy many years before the events of the first film. The second films shows him alive, as an adult, and easily aware of pain. The same thing occurs in the third and the fourth. Once he is brought back to life in the sixth film he no longer cries out in pain. So, obviously his body was still alive in the second through fourth films, because you would often taper backwards in pain when he himself was attacked. There is nothing "supernatural" about Jason until the sixth film. All previous films with him as the main character are more "superhuman" than "supernatural". He's resilent, but he isn't immortal, at least not till he is brought back to life in the sixth film. I have tried to read the article all the way through, because frankly it's all fanboy stuff. That's why I started working on a proper article in my sandbox. I've just been busy with school and work to focus on all the sources that it needs. But, as for his death date, it's clear that it is the date of the fourth film. He never returns to life without something bringing him back (exception being 9th and 10th which didn't provide a reason). His body ages like 15 years (not literally, just don't know how long after he supposedly drowned and when he first appeared in Part 2) which cannot be done if you are dead. Decomposing and maturation are completely different. Also, his cries of pain when he is wounded show that he's very much alive. There are continuity errors surrounding the films but a dramatic increase in age isn't a continuity error over some "aging zombified body", that's showing that he didn't really die as a boy. It even goes along with the story that's told at the camp fire, 5 years after Alice dies, where the legend states that Jason actually witnessed his mother's beheading and sought revenge against the one that did it. Bignole 06:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work 

message: It seems there is a disagreement about who should be included in the "portrayed by" section. Thanos6 believes all stunt doubles should be included in the "portrayed by" section, even on pages like Freddy Krueger. My opinion is that "stunt doubles" do not count as "actual portayals" seeing as they are not acting a part but merely providing protection for the actor that is. This does not include "unmasked" and "masked" portrayals, because both are still playing the part of the character, just two different versions. The list of "portrayed by" would become extremely long if we went back and listed every stunt double for the previous "Jason" actors, seeing as not all of them were actually stunt doubles themselves. This argument originated when Thanos6 wanted to include Ken Kirzenger as "Jason" in (Part 8) because of him standing in for Kane Hodder on two of the scenes, because of (as quoted by Kane) "pressure and lack of time". To me, this doesn't qualify as an actual "portrayal", just like any stuntman for Robert England wouldn't classify as an actual "portrayal" of Freddy Krueger, especially when the credits do not list these men as those characters. Bignole 15:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but someone playing his feet for 1 scene does not get credit for playing him. It's like directing, you only get credit for doing it if you do it for more than half the film. Like Richard Lester, for instance. On Superman II, this is the reason he is credited as director, and not Richard Donner, because he scrapped Donner's footage so that he could reshoot enough to get his name on the credits. So, if Ken did 1 stunt for Jason, because of time reasons, and I haven't found a source yet that confirms that even taking place, only that Ken was the stunt coordinator for the film, that doesn't constitute him playing Jason.   BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  13:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stunt doubles 

message: What happened to the photos of Jason without his mask on? Who deleted them? I can't seem to find it in the page's history anywhere. BugEyedMonster 04:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The infobox claims Jason died in 1984 (when he was chopped by Tommy).But Jason drowned in 1957 in Crystal Lake and later returned as an undead.Dimts 09:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We had a little discussion about this above. Frankly, I'm not satisfied about the death date issue all together, and would like to see it come to a reasonable consenus. --Bacteria 09:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That was FvJ's problem. Jason couldn't have died in water, because he was a boy when that accident happened and he didn't start killing people till he was an adult. He was never officially buried until the end of part 4, that is why his death is that year. Also, the events of part 2, 3, and 4 take place in the same year so it really doesn't matter which you believe killed him, because they were all in the same days. So, it really needs to be changed to whatever year was being claimed in those films. Since the first film was 1979, and the second one picks up 5 years later, I think 1984 is a reasonable assumption of the year for when he finally died. Part two even states that he didn't die in the lake and that he watched his mother get beheaded, and that is why he haunts the camp. Bignole 14:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, first it was just Lori speaking in her dream, so does that mean her statement was "dream canon"? It can't be 1946-? because he has died. Since his aging process contradicts him dying as a child, the most logical is to say he officially died when he was officially buried. Freddy vs Jason is a cross-over and not always subject to canon. Secondly, why do we ever care about this, because the entire article is written incorrectly. It's written like a fanwebsite when it shouldn't. There is almost no enyclopedic information in it. We should be worried about getting the article into shape, not when Jason "officially" died. Bignole 16:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we just put 'Unknown' in the meantime, until we come to a consensus? Disinclination 06:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because he's a fictional character, and I realize that his "date of death" (or birth) for that matter do not conform to WP:WAF. Bignole 14:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Now that I think about it, I really don't think Jason's rebirth/ressurection/whatever is supposed to make sense. For example, Freddy did die for a fact, yet he came back, and has been "killed", but has also come back to the real world (as far as I have read).. and supposedly died once again. Perhaps the whole dying by fire/water isn't always one that is so literal. Freddy came back, but when he died, he went to Hell (flames). Jason "died" in the water several times, at least in the first one and FvJ. Massive flames and water were also present at the final fight scene of FvJ. Maybe its more of a mixture of literal and metaphorical. I'm not saying this should be put up there (I'm definately not), but its something to think about. While I think he truely did die in the lake.. he came back somehow, and kept growing, and saw his mother die. So. *shrugs* This is a doozy. God damn movie makers and their inconsistancies! Lol. Disinclination 02:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of death

message: This guy has to be taller than 6"5 he stands like two heads above everybody! --User:Crazy Chainsaw
:The tallest guy to play Jason was Ken Kirzinger, and he's 6'5" and some change. Bignole 14:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone factor in the boots?
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 (talk) 08:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: The article states that Jason spoke in the ninth movie. Just out of curiosty, what did he say?
All I remember is in Freddy vs. Jason, Jason is seen Running away with a limp, and yelling. Darthan the destroyer 14:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What did he say ? 

message: I went through and did some heavy editing to the character history section. Since I'm assuming it was the reason for the "in-universe" tag, and this has been retooled, can anyone with the proper authority in the editing game evulate the section to see if this tag can now be picked off? --Bacteria 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-universe perspective 

message: The teenagers Jason attacks are typically those who are involving themselves in premarital sex, drinking, or drugs. This seems to be explained in Freddy versus Jason, as when Jason was drowning he could have been saved, if not for the camp counselors at Crystal Lake being too involved in the aforementioned activities to notice his predicament. Some of the novels also hint that Jason's anger comes from resentment of the fact that his deformity prevents him from experiencing these things himself.
While I think this may be true, its always nice to have a few citations. Are there any quotes someone could grab from a book to refute this? I really think it should stay.. but we need a citation for it, nonetheless. Disinclination 19:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my sandbox, where I've been working on the article in its entirety, I've managed to find 1 source that refers to Jason as a "morality defender". I'm reading the two non-fiction books that were released as I type this, and I'm looking for at least 3 more sources to help substantiate this "morality defender" theory as part of his characteristic.   BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  19:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you found anything on the last part, where it says that his targetting of glutton teens (sex, drugs, etc) is because he can't experience it himself? Has it ever been hinted at? Disinclination 19:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the citation I'm using, from the New York Daily News.  I just started the "Making Friday the 13th:The Legend of Camp Blood", and it's about everything, so it will take a bit to get through it all. The website in that citation has commentary from Savini also. I haven't seen anything (yet) about him doing it because of not being able to experience it himself, at least not in the one I'm reading right now. The reason it's taking me so long to get through the book is because I have college textbooks to read and exams to take. Otherwise, I'd probably devote my entire time to reading it. It's go so much in this first book (and the Crystal Lake Memories is even larger) that I'm going to be able to, after I get all the Jason info, work on all the film articles and probably get them to at least GA status.   BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ahh. I see. Well, good luck with your exams, and thanks for taking the time to work on these articles. Alot of them really need help. I'd try working on them.. which I am. Kind of. But I'm afraid I don't do much other than vandalism control. or fancruft control. Disinclination 20:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience working on this site, vandalism control is probably the most important job on here because of the sheer volume of occurrences. There are only 3 fictional film characters that have made it to FA status, and they're all Star Wars characters: Padme Amidala, Jabba the Hutt, and Palpatine. From all the fictional film character pages out there, that should tell you something about what's going on them. I got tired of reading biographies for people that don't exist. That's what fansites are for. Hopefully, I'll get through the first book fast enough to get some good sources in the page.   BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  20:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason's anger 

message: "Godzilla and Chewbacca from the Star Wars series are the other two in that order"
Nice to have a reason to link to the star wars article, but honestly, who the hell doesnt know where Chewbacca comes from? Expecially seeing as Godzilla (as a character) doesnt have "from the Godzilla series" after it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.46.13 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. It does look rather unwieldy, doesn't it? I'll edit it out. Disinclination 20:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obvious 

message: Is there any way we could have a few outside editors go through the article and perhaps see if some of the tags are not longer needed? Editors like Bignole, Bacteria, DCarinate (sorry if I spelt that wrong), and countless others have gone through the article, and it has been seriously reworked since I first started watching this page. Are there any appropriate pages where we can ask for this? Disinclination 20:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay! :) Thank you, Bloodyfriday. Disinclination 04:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags being taken down 

message: Aaron Pepin March 12, 2007- Does anyone know a website that lists stuff that has happened to jason? (For example, in Freddy vs. Jason, he was set on fire, slashed with freddys claws, electrecuted, impaled with poles, stabbed, etc.) You can put it on my user page if you want. I've been searching the internet, but I can't find any page.
:How would finding this website help you contribute positively to the article, though? Disinclination 19:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website 

message: That's so fruity! Jason's choise of weapon is not machete! IT'S RANDOM STUFF! You just get the ollusion that that is his favourite weapon because it is one of the only weapons that he uses more than once and in more than one film. He doesn't seem to really care what weapon he uses. I honestly think his bare hands are his choise of weapon! Aaron Pepin
:I kind of agree. I think though the machete should stay, but the header should be changed. Something like "Most notable weapon", or something to elicit the effect that he is often shown with the machete, and it is used more than any other weapon in the series.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 14:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe "signature weapon" - that which he is known for, like Freddy's knife fingers, etc. -Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I like that better. I think if we go with that then we should make the same change on the Freddy Krueger article.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 15:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's why I think "signature" is better, because you often see him, in not only movies, but pop culture images, and toys, with a machete in hand. It's like Michael Myers. He often uses, or is seen with a kitchen knife, but he's used other things before. You could say "choice" if you looked at Jason X, as he kind of initially chooses a weapon that looks like a machete, and later discards it for his real machete. But I think "signature" is a bit less presumptuous.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 16:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of weapon?!?!? 

message: I think there should be a temporary if not permanant section describing Jason's skills and mannerisms. For example, knife throwning. He throws weapons in part 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, and fvj. He also jumps in the movies 3, 6, 7, and 9. etc.  He swims, throws knifes, jumps, breaks through walls, hides people purposely, throws people through windows; all stuff that other slasher people don't do and makes Jason unique. It should also explain Kane Hodder's body vocabulary when he plays Jason. Just for people who want to know about his personality just incase they want to make a Jason book (me) or a Jason movie, etc. Aaron Pepin 
:No reliable source talking about it, then we can't use it. It's original research to describe it as "skill". Also, he doesn't "swim" he sort of just walks at the bottom of the lakes.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 17:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jason's mannerisms

message: Where does Jason get the cloths that fit him? He wears a bathing suit in the 1st one, and when he's an adult, he has overalls or farmer cloths, and farmer shoes. In part 3 to takes Manhattan, he's weiring just a shirt, and jeans, and boots. In goes to hell, he's weiring some sort of blue mechanic's suit. In FvJ, he apears to be weiring a mechanic suit, with a torn up shit, with a potato-sack jacket. And in JasonX, he apears to be wearing probebly the same thing. Where is he getting all this? Does anyone know? I don't remember him killing someone his size and taking their cloths! User:Aaron Pepin
I would assume Jason got the swim trunks by his mother. After he drowned and got washed to the banks of Crystal Lake to rot and his mother resurrected him by dabbling in the occult (which would explain why Jason's heart is a demonic spirit or possessed by one.), he probably stole a hermit's clothes and killed him when he got back to his shack. Now the sack on his head most likely got washed away with Jason. In part 3, he did the same thing with the new set of clothes; he stole them off a clothesline then killed the couple who owned the clothes. He also did the same thing with the mask; stole and killed as well as the gloves and belt in Jason Lives. I honestly don't know how he got the dark blue coveralls in The New Blood. But I do know why the belt and remnants of the gloves disappeared; they were cheap and rotted away while Jason was unconcious after he got chained in the bottom of the lake. He stole another hockey mask after his old one got destroyed, but i don't know how he got the new gloves. But, i do know he didn't steal them. Then, in Freddy vs. Jason, while being in Hell, his appearance had altered during the time he had spent there. They did the same thing with Jason like they did with Freddy. Though not exactly. The effect of being in Hell for Freddy gave his eyes a demonic, bloodshot appearance and his teeth sharp while they made Jason two inches taller, at least ten pounds thinner, gave him a new hockey mask, and a new set of clothes. The shackles and chains off of Jason X he got from being captured. They were basically restraints. But what does remain a mystery is how the clothes he steals fits him if the people he kills for them are shorter than him. 13jason13voorhees13 01:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jason's Atire

message: Does anyone else think that there's too many pictures on this page?  It looks a little cluttered.  Surely there only needs to be one picture of him unmasked, even if they are from different films.
:Been there, tried discussing that..LOL. Yes, I agree.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 16:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking "freddy arm grabs Jason mask", "jason dragged to hell", "new blood", "unmasked part 2"...for starters.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 14:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I removed them, resized others, and moved some that people had placed in the middle of text.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 14:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures