Talk:Munkar and Nakir

message: Is is appropriate to use the number 40 when discussing distance from the grave given that the number 40 is used in many Middle Eastern traditions to describe a large but indefinite amount? While it represents the literal translation, it misrepresents the meaning of the term.
184.171.152.180 (talk) 01:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the number 40 

message: Dear Tarasayni,
I am currently tied up at work and have not had an opportunity to address your edits or your issues in full. Please give me a few days, and I'll get back to you. Thanks.
Maqdisi117 (talk) 03:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nergal Disputation 

message: Tirmidhi going to Iraq (if true) is completely irrelevant as that’s not how hadith science works in the Sunni school. Tirmidhi was a Sunni hadith scholar and the basics of their scholarship is that people in Medina and Mecca are truthful, people in Syria are somewhat disputed, and the people of Iraq are liars (Ibn Taymiyyah, The People of Madina). None of the narrators of the sahih hadiths in Tirmidhi are Iraqi or Mesopotamian. As all were Muslim and people the Prophet knew (whom were mostly Arab and previously followed Arab Polytheism). This would have to mean that A) A person the Prophet knew went to Iraq, went against all convictions and contemporary knowledge that he was truthful, honest and pious to insert one Mesopotamian God into Islamic Eschatology for no discernible reason (as many of the Mesopotamians were already converting) without 1400 years of scholarship noticing or B) a follower of this religion somehow infiltrated Hadith sciences and perfectly understanding Qurayshi Arabic created an accurate and biographically sufficient chain of narrators (knowing them by name even the ones in places he’s never been) knowing all of them to be truthful and pious and then tricking tirmidhi into writing it in his Sahih (which never occured with his other hadiths). Just so that he can have a figure in Islam that has the same semantic root as a figure whom wasn’t even worshipped by the majority in Iraq? Forgive me, but that doesn’t seem accurate or historical, and it’s relevance is strongly questionable. 
There’s also the case of whether linguistic analysis can actually show theological similarities. As Nergal and Nakir aren’t similar in any theological way, unless you focus on things that are beyond the scope of the hadith literature (like the article does with claiming stories from certain cultures, that previously worshipped Nergal). I believe it to be hearsay, and until it is subject to literary and historical criticism I say it should be put on hold or looked at critically in the article. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:D48B (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity of Nakir from Nergal and the Turkish Researchers work. 

message: @VenusFeuerFalle This article contains blatant lies under "History and Origins" section. For example the article falsely claims that "There is no reference to Munkar and Nakir in the Quran" this is of course a blatant lie as the grave questions are clearly mentioned in Quran 14:27 and it is explained in both Tafsir al-Tabari and Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Also the same section is talking about Zoroastrian figures which is completely irrelevant even the currently survived Avesta was written 200 years after Islam. You reverted my edits and I will not waste my time with you again. I suggest you fix it yourself because this section is a complete joke especially the part talking about Tirmidhi otherwise you will be helping in publishing a bunch of false information. Terminator 5505 (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tafsir are an interpretation of the Quran. The relevance of the Zorastrian spirits seem undue to me, as well. I also regard the extention of historical influence as undie weight, since the main-focus is on Munkar and Nakir, not the general idea of angels of the grave in various religions. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intentional False Information under the "History and Origins" Section