Wikipedia talk:Votes for Deletion, the next generation

message: *Problem with the category is that it's not sorted chronologically, making it hard to follow deletions. --SPUI (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Given the volume of vfds, we could use dated subcategories such as :Category:VfD/August 2nd. NoSeptember 02:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Sounds good to me. --Phroziac (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

text: *Rob, I already do way more janitorial work on wikipedia then actual contribution. Most of what i know is already there! :( As far as I see it, it's still contributing to make the Wikipedia better, which is worth doing. I would support a comitte or opting into a time of "deletion duty" though. --Phroziac (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments moved from page

message: Firstly lets establish certain comon ground, we all agree that a vote prior to discussion is highly flawed. Correct me if I am wrong. --Cool Cat My Talk 10:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *I concur. --Phroziac (talk) 12:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion period of new vfd's

message: There is a way to list articles in a category chronologically: use the m:DynamicPageList extension, which was developed for Wikinews but could be very useful here. It's not (as far as I know) turned on here at the moment, but I can't see that being a problem.
It would allow the VfD template to include a category (if it doesn't already), and then a single page could automatically list all articles in that category, not only in time order, but also with the day they were added (useful for seeing which have had their time).
However, if the debate was moved to the article's talk page, wouldn't it be deleted along with the article in the event of a consensus for deletion? Dan100 (Talk) 11:03, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
:Neat suggestion! I like it. Yes, it would be deleted with the article. Do we really need an archive of every page ever deleted, and why? I suppose that if we do, an archive could be made, where the deleting admin archives it to before deleting. --Phroziac (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of the redundant VfD template we keep talk pages of deleted articles as to keep the discussion. Perhaps protect it as well as it shouldnt be edited what-so-ever. --Cool Cat My Talk 12:49, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

text: See for example Template:tony1 for a basic proof-of-concept. --Tony SidawayTalk 11:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dynamic Page Lists

message: Arbcom is discussing matters with minimun burocracy. I think this would be wise, disagreements? --Cool Cat My Talk 10:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have experience with arbcom -- is there any reason YOU do? :P --Phroziac (talk) 12:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Arbcom is a small group of people who are familiar with each other. I oppose making VfD similar to that: every established wikipedian should be able to participate in a deletion decision. And with so many people, you can't have a discussion as structured as Arbcom without bureaucracy (I'd even say, you can't have that kind of discussion at all). Eugene van der Pijll 16:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Arbcrom is already strecthed to its fullest, and this idea will cause users to scream either bloody murder or cabalism taking over. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: NO just see how Arbcom votes. It shouldnt be a vote on delete or keep but individual parts. --Cool Cat My Talk 13:45, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Process should be arbcom like?

message: I really like the pure wiki deletion system, and have for a few days. I decided how it can even exist with VFD, the next generation. Basically, you do normal deletes with the pure wiki deletion system, if someone reverts you, you can start up a poll on deleting it, to reach consensus one way or another. And, if there is some reason (like a copyvio) that a page or revision should be permanently deleted, we could have a template to add to the talk page, after consensus is reached, to bring admin attention to it. What do you guys think? --Phroziac (talk) 13:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pure wiki deletion system and VFDTNG