Talk:Andrew Gold

message: This article reads as if it were written by Andrew Gold himself. Andrew, if you're out there, have someone else write your Wikipedia article so it doesn't sound like the bio you send to prospective employers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.226.142 (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Professionalism?

message: Not seeing any news reports on his death. Could this be a hoax? -- Man way 19:13, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing at all on Google. Anywhere. I'm reverting temporarily until we can get a reliable report on it. --Manway 19:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: His facebook page is covered with RIPs and condolences. But that's not RS. I'm keeping an eye on it and will revert my edit once a source is found. --Manway 19:24, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: We need a reliable source to verify information. No news services etc. indicate he had died, and so we should presume he is still alive. GiantSnowman 20:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Could not agree more. Twitter has mentions of Wikipedia entry, or links to YouTube video.  No confirmation. Artaxerxes (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I find the removal of the notation of Andrew's death fascinating.  "If we cannot find it on Google within 12 hours, it most not be true."  Therefore if we can find it on Google, is it always true?  FYI: I did not post the original notice.  I only added what I considered reliable information to this discussion page. One may need to be a little bit more well known before their death makes the AP or Reuters news feeds. Maybe I just don't understand the politics of Wikipedia, so in the future I will leave this to those of you who do.--FMunroe (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not wait until his death is formally announced then, rather than listening to on potentially false rumours? There's no rush for correct information, and WP:CRYSTAL may have some more info for you about this kind of thing. GiantSnowman 21:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Reports of the death of Paul McCartney proved greatly exaggerated--long before Google, Facebook, or Twitter came along. Done to sell records, by the way.  Artaxerxes (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: If it's a hoax, it seems very elaborate. His facebook page has posts apparently from his daughters confirming his death. Not wiki-reliable, but even so. I can't imagine why news agencies have not picked up on this yet, he is easily sufficiently well-known. The only actual sources seem to be blogs. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly why I started this. It's probably accurate. But why hasn't Variety or the LA Times picked up on it yet? --Manway 22:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing on his official website either, which you presume would be the first to announce the sad news. GiantSnowman 22:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think that family would have higher priorities than updating a website under the circumstances. Active Banana  (bananaphone 23:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but one would presume the website is run by his management or whoever. GiantSnowman 23:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Even under these circumstances, some of his family have posted on his Facebook page - you'd think someone from a news agency might have contacted them to verify. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree it's accurate, but that's not for us to decide. We're not a newspaper, we're a secondary source. We shouldn't be breaking any news stories whatsoever. I'm shocked it hasn't made any news outlets yet, but that's beside the point. We must wait for a reliable source to take the lead. -- But|seriously|folks  22:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: F Munroe - how did Renee Bodie verify the information? Was it published anywhere or were you told directly? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Nothing at Tmz.com (which first broke the Michael Jackson death, you'll recall).  Artaxerxes (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor at the Los Angeles Times. --22:49, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I have emailed Renee Bodie in search of a verifiable source.  While I consider Renee extremely reliable, I understand it does not fit the Wikipedia standard.  Bob Lefsetz has also talked about it today in his newsletter.  Renee is also his likely source.  Also, I believe Andrew handled all the editing of his own website, so unless someone else has knowledge of his login, it will be sometime before this information gets addressed on his website.--FMunroe (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Indeed; it's starting to slowly make Google News, so I guess it's true. GiantSnowman 11:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

text: That's the first source I'd say was concrete . Very sad. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

message: Per WP:BRD and Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria, I've removed the addition of his mother's name, which was added in this edit: . JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that fits here.  The fact that his mother is Marni Nixon is relative to his article.  Noted Parents are listed in nearly every biographical article. BurienBomber (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Gold's mother is quite notable on her own, as was his father.  Both have their own articles, which are already linked in this article's Early life section.  I really don't see how Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria has anything to do with this.  If you want to argue that the article already discusses who his mother is, so adding her name again as a "survivor" as if this article is an obituary is not needed, I'd agree with you -- Foetusized (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother 

message: The edits which were made so that Neil Diamond, Carly Simon, Leo Sayer and for The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band linked to their own pages by placing double left brackets "[" and double right brackets "]" around them. A superficial edit. EnglishHornDude (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The claim that Freddie Mercury every sang background on an Andrew Gold song, credited or uncredited, is an urban myth with no legitimate evidence.  The citations that are used in this article and others to "prove" this event happened are nothing more than non-cited, unsourced blurbs themselves, essentially links to pages that have nothing to do with Freddie, Andrew or anyone else connected to them, and simply stating it as a fact with no other evidence otherwise.  There is nobody connected with Andrew, Freddie or any of the Andrew Gold production work who have corroborated that it ever happened; in fact, Andrew's producer and bandmate Brock Walsh stated that Freddie never sang backup with Andrew or vice-versa, neither live nor in the studio.  Check it out here.  Brock appeared on the video for "Never Let Her Slip Away" (he looks like he could be a cousin on Gilbert O'Sullivan), and he also produced the album it appeared on.  Brock is also on a live video of Andrew's playing keys on "Lonely Boy".  Both of these videos are on YouTube here and here.  I believe this to a self-prophesying claim that is snowballing its way from fiction to fact simply because it's been said enough times and people want to believe it, but I find no credible evidence that it's true.  I'm going to give 30 days for somebody to provide solid evidence from Andrew's camp that it did happen or I'm going to change every article on Wikipedia that references this urban legend by saying that's all it is . . . an urban legend with no legitimate evidence.PhilMaglassup (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So established news and music websites are unreliable, but a forum post by some random guy is a top flight source. Okie dokie. You can run around gutting longstanding, referenced material, but don't be surprised when you're met with a block. Micky Moats (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You forgot an important part of your argument, which is that they're simply reporting the myth with no evidence to back it up.  Just because they're "established" doesn't mean they're reliable.  There is not one shred of evidence that it happened, just anonymous people saying it happened and somebody reporting that somebody anonymous said it, but nobody from the session or the Gold camp have verified it.  Why shouldn't the people who are publishing the myth be blocked? PhilMaglassup (talk) 21:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've found a reliable source from Andrew Gold's people that states that the Freddie Mercury claim is a bogus myth --- it's Andrew's official Facebook fan page at https://www.facebook.com/andrewgoldmusic/posts/urban-legend-in-many-places-on-the-net-is-that-freddie-mercury-did-background-vo/280313182069724/ --- so this is about as official as it can get from Andrew Gold's camp that the Freddie thing is just a myth.  None of the other sources who claim otherwise have nearly the credibility of this citation. PhilMaglassup (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That link doesn't refute anything. The so-called "myth" is that Mercury sang uncredited: the Gold Facebook page is going by the album credits ("Sometimes there are mistakes in the credits", "I... checked the vinyl insert"). The person handling the page also admits they don't know for sure ("I doubt anyone would have missed Freddie", "If... Freddie snuck in the studio"). Mercury's involvement is reliably sourced: your claim that a forum post trumps articles by The Guardian and The A.V. Club illuminates your status as an agenda-driven editor. WP:DROPTHESTICK. Micky Moats (talk) 06:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Freddie Mercury claim is bogus