Talk:A-League Men

message: Jamie Maclaren is now Leading Goalscorer in the league 143. Get it changed from Berisha  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.12.11.151 (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

message: The ladder graphic explaining which team is which is inaccurate and contrary to the explanation text.
Looking at the ladder you would think in the semis number 1 plays the winner of 3 vs 6, and 2 plays the winner of 4 vs 5. Yes, the text in the graphic gets it correct, but what's the point of a graphic if only the text is correct?
I recommend the following instead
Elimination Finals	Semi Finals                                   	Grand Final
3 vs 6            	1 vs Lowest Rank winner of Elimination Finals 	Winners of Semi Finals
4 vs 5            	2 vs Highest Rank winner of Elimination Finals	
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.119.19.20 (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree in either unlinking the 2 Elimination Final matches from the 2 Semi Final matches or even removing the graph as all is explained in the text above in the Finals series section. --2nyte (talk) 01:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finals ladder is misleading 

message: Why are there teams listed on the Championships/premierships tables that haven't won anything? It seems pointless. A team should only be listed here if they have won something. Does anyone mind if they are removed?
Anderch (talk) 02:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: --2nyte (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Championships/premierships tables

message: I noticed at some point the information about current champions and most championships was removed from the infobox.  I couldn't find anything on the talk page about it, so I have restored this content. -- Chuq (talk) 22:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about the League, for all time, not the most recent season. That's elsewhere, for anyone to look up if they wish, so current champions seems out of place. As for most championships, with a max of two for anyone, it's pretty trivial. Maybe in 40 or 50 years time when the numbers are more significant... HiLo48 (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The fields for "current premiers" and "most premierships" were already included - surely the same would apply to them? -- Chuq (talk) 13:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I said in my edit summary that I moved the content to A-League Finals Series. I noticed someone created the page, so I thought I would populate it with relevant information. And it seems stupid to have the same stuff on this page so I deleted it here. In a few years time it would be good to have a developed article focused on the finals series, also this page doesn't go into that much detail about the tournament so maybe we can be more comprehensive on the A-League Finals Series article. --2nyte (talk) 02:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: But the finals series are a part of the A-League season itself.  You seem to be wording it as if there is one competition, that runs for 27 rounds, called the "A-League season", and the top six from that competition qualify for another separate competition called the "A-League finals series"?  I can see how it might appear that way, but in practice the "A-League season" runs from round 1, through to the Grand Final. -- Chuq (talk) 13:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought of the final series as a separate "mini-competition". You are right though; it says pretty much exactly what you said on the competition rules summary. So what do we do with A-League Finals Series page? Do we continue to expand it, or revert back to what we previously had and delete A-League Finals Series? I don't mind either way. We also need to specify what was said by Chuq in the A-League article, that the "A-League season" runs from round 1, through to the Grand Final. --2nyte (talk) 14:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the delay here.  I don't think that there is a problem with separate articles about the finals series; so long as the finals are included as part of the season information itself (both in this article and in the various season articles (2012–13 A-League, etc.)  I don't know if it needs to be explicitly pointed out - since it is a pretty standard setup for other sports leagues in Australia? -- Chuq (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Championship info in infobox 

message: The text above is in the Origins section, but there is no elaboration on it, and it doesn't seem to crack a mention in any of the sources. What was the deal? What was wrong with it? Can we source it? HiLo48 (talk) 05:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The television deal was made in 1998 between Soccer Australia (now FFA) and the Seven Network. Essentially, the broadcast rights to the NSL were sold to Channel Seven for a 10-year deal. Seven eventually limited the coverage to one hour of highlights a week, which was shown after mid-night. The lack of coverage resulted in loss in sponsorship and a decline for the NSL. This decline and soon demise was the catalyst for the creation of the A-League. As for a source, I assume it would not be that hard to find one describing the events.--2nyte (talk) 08:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. That certainly sounds like an unsatisfactory deal. I picked up on the text because of the somewhat non-encyclopaedic word "disastrous". That cannot stay without a source that supports it, and should really only be in a quote, otherwise we're expressing an opinion ourselves. HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it should be reworded and a source should be added.--2nyte (talk) 10:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard to find a decent source. How about this? HiLo48 (talk) 06:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

text:  Channel 7 didn't just 'limit' coverage, they deliberately squashed it to help the AFL. All came out in the C7 Sport vs Optus court case. Age report. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was the "...disastrous television deal with the Seven Network..."? 

message: The article currently reads:
The following do not fill a Visa position:
1Those players who were born and started their professional career abroad but have since gained Australian Residency (and New Zealand Residency, in the case of Wellington Phoenix);
2Australian residents (and New Zealand residents, in the case of Wellington Phoenix) who have chosen to represent another national team;
 
Is there a reliable source that says that an Australian resident (rather than a citizen) qualifies as a local? Hack (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The current PFA Collective Bargaining Agreement (2008-13, extended for 2 more years recently) says "Foreign Player means a player who is not an Australian Citizen. For the avoidance of doubt, a Player who is a permanent resident of Australia or a New Zealand citizen who does not require a work visa to permit him to be employed by a Club in the A-League is a foreign player." Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. I recall seeing a more recent document that suggested that the FFA could declare a permanent resident a local player if they committed to playing for Australia once they were eligible. Hack (talk) 12:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visa players 

message: I would like to move the existing Asian Champions League and National Youth League sub-sections into a new section to be called Related competitions as they aren't DIRECTLY part of the A-League so I don't think should be in the Format Section.  Basically the new section would cover other competitions in which A-League clubs participate.  So in addition to the NYL and ACL subsections it would include new subsections covering the W-League and FFA Cup.  I would not include a NPL sub-section as there is no direct overlap.  I created something similar on New Zealand Football Championship.  Any feedback?
Cheers --TinTin (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Related Competitions Section

message: SHould we have the clubs at the very start of the main body? It's a football competition and the clubs who partake in it is a pretty important part of what the competition is. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Club Section to top of main body

message: Change Youth League sub-section to Youth Teams sub section with further reading links to both the NPL and NYL.  It would also have a paragraph describing the A-League teams with associated teams in the state leagues.  This is becoming increasingly common, I think it maybe even mandatory for the NPL state-leagues to allow A-League youth teams in the relevant NPL division now?  I think this is the best way to cover both topics, as they directly overlap.--TinTin (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think everything but the Continental qualification information in the Related competitions section should be removed. We only need a brief one sentence mention of the youth league/women's league/all-stars in the opening.--2nyte (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree I think they have a high-level of interaction between A-League clubs and these other leagues is important and this section provides appropriate context of which the A-League operates within.  Maybe moving the majority of it to another article (or new article) and it could be summarised a bit more?--TinTin (talk) 02:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can move the majority of it to the youth league/women's league/all-stars articles. We can set the context in the opening of this article (without having a whole section on it) and link to those respective artciles. I think this article should remain focused on the A-League and not other competitions. We should stay on topic. If users want information on other competitions there are those artciles available (most of them need more content anyway).--2nyte (talk) 03:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Change Youth League sub-section to Youth Team sub section

message: Why on earth have we gone all FOX Sports on wikipedia with stupid icon boxes? Why cant we just have boxes with just 2 colours or just have the icons that we have been using for the last 8 or so years? --115.166.22.2 (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icon boxes 

message: does this recent Category link kk:Футболдан Аустралия чемпионаты to the Kazakh Wiki have a place here ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it's the corresponding page on the Kazakh WP, so yes. Hack (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazakh links ? 

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message: The word soccer should be replaced by the phrase Association football in the opening sentence Isaacd1- (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2017 

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message: 203.13.3.90 (talk) 03:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please see WP:NCFA for reference. If you want to change name, please discuss on WT:FOOTY first, thank you! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 05:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2018 

message: its football change all to football in aus foxsports labels it as football not soccer jus because the malaka media cant get the words right they too scared to call it football
CHANGE ALL SOCCER TO FOOTBALL NOW 203.13.3.94 (talk) 23:06, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Done, you seem to already be aware of the page, but again for your informaiton Naming conventions (Football in Australia). NZFC(talk) 00:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018 

message: Clearly there is some dissatisfaction with the way Wikipedia deals with the name of the sport. I have commenced discussion at Naming_conventions (Football in Australia) and I invite contributions. --Pete (talk) 06:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it soccer? 

message: I wanted to raise the point that this sentence is accurate except for the reference to Major League Soccer. Many American sports leagues contains one or more franchise elements. Major League Soccer, however, is a single-entity institution. All players are MLS employees. Owners are MLS shareholders with an exclusive license to manage a particular team, and make a number of operational decisions, but are not true owners of a club. Owners cannot unilaterally make player hiring decisions on their own for their team. Player contracts are with MLS and must be approved by MLS, even if the ownership group has taken recruitment steps. They do not own the intellectual property of the team they manage - MLS does. THe lack of control over one's own badge precludes a team from being considered a club, is my understanding. I suggest Major League Soccer be removed from the referenced sentence.
Dream-king (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to 'sharing franchising elements with...Major League Soccer...' sentence 

message: See (1) above 2013.
Which is more important? Premier or Champion? Which one is mostly used to denote the winner of the season?
The distinction (between Premier and Champion) is described well in the intro, but can it be included in the League championships section or (especially in) the table headings, too?
… for dummies (like me) who don’t know much about soccer. 
MBG02 (talk) 10:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Championship info in infobox (2) 

message: Why are people editing this and changing things to incorrect info FIFAREF100 (talk) 08:29, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: More details please. HiLo48 (talk) 10:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

text: , you can visit WP:NCFA Hhkohh (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: This is not a general article about Australian sports. It is an article about a specific sport that is called football. There is zero chance for confusion with any other sport such as various codes of rugby, table-tennis, or anything else. The sport's various groups and bodies don't call it soccer, so why should we? I'll accept that in a wider context there may be confusion, especially from people who pick the ball up with their hands, but nobody reading this article is going to think that the word "football" refers to anything else but football. 
And, speaking of the wider world, look at the heading fields of this sports site: Sections on "Rugby League AFL Cricket Football Racing More" Also here, 
here, here, 
here, 
here, 
here,
and here (headings of "Sport, Cycling, Football"). If the ABC calls it Football, why the hell is Wikipedia calling it anything else? We are required to use reliable sources, surely? Not just make stuff up?
--Pete (talk) 20:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We have on Wikipedia the naming convention WP:NCFA, as you know well seeing you wrote on the talk page there discussing which terminology should be correct. In that discussion, the consensus was clearly for "soccer" as is in the naming convention. If you believe anything has changed since the last discussion, you can bring it up for discussion on that page's talk page again. However, this article should not be changed until consensus is reached to change the convention. And even if consensus is changed, the terminology needs to be used correctly instead of as it was done in the last changes on this page which resulted in broken links and changing factual names of organisations (such as "Soccer Australia" - that was it's name at the point discussed and no change of terminology later on will retroactively change what the organisation was named). --SuperJew (talk) 22:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm well aware of all that old stuff. Don't treat me like an idiot. I'm more interested in your observations on the current facts. Consensus can change and the situation is that our reliable sources now call the game "football" and not "soccer". As editors, we are reliant on sources. --Pete (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So as I said, if you think there has been a change in the situation, bring it up for discussion on the talk page of WP:NCFA. Don't try to push it through on a specific page and don't do it in a brutish way which breaks links and retroactively changes historical names. --SuperJew (talk) 22:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is an article about football 

message: The article goes on endlessly about all sorts of stuff which may be interesting to some, but probably not that many. If you want to know who won the thing, you are lost. I a sure it is hidden somewhere  - and numerous people will point out that I am the idiot here. 09:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In the infobox you have listed the current champions and the current premiers. Under the section "League championships" you have a list of all the winners, expanded in the article List of Australian soccer champions. --SuperJew (talk) 09:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless Rant