Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf

message: I,ve been trying to sharpen up the David Graham article. Still not very good. Strange that a HoFer had such a silly article with extreme details on his early career and just briefly description of his major wins and the wrong birthplace.
Well, one thing is still confusing: On the external sites World Golf Hall of Fame, PGA Tour, Texas Golf Hall of Fame, Sport Australia Hall of Fame, For the good of the Game and Golfweek 20150711 Graham gets credit for having won golf tournaments on six continents including South Africa and that should be the 1977 SA PGA Ch'ship. Graham says himself that he is proud of that and it's mentioned in the book "David Graham: From Ridicule to Acclaim" by Russell James, chapter 7.
I can't anywhere find a source confirming any South African win for Graham and he certainly not won the 1977 SA PGA, which John Bland did. Anyone knows something on this? Regards, EEJB (talk) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: SA PGA Championship could be referring to the South Australian PGA Championship, but the 1977 event was won by David Galloway. So really not sure about that one. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

text: For South America wins he has 1971 Caracas Open in (Ven), 1980 Heublein Open (Brazil) and 1970 World Cup in Argentina.Tewapack (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

text: If I'm counting down the leaderboard correctly, Graham finished in a tie for 20th place in the 1977 Lexington PGA Championship. Wouldn't be the first time HoFs have taken their info direct from the Player (pun intended) without verification and ended up being inaccurate. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

text: The 1978 PGA Tour Media Guide  doesn't mention it, although the 1977 Australian Open is mentioned. However it does get in the 1979 edition . So could be in 1978, I suppose. Maybe a pro-am or something similar? Nigej (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately the PGAT have often accepted what the players report, without verification, so their media guides can be also unreliable. Yes, if I were to guess, I'd say it's probably a pro-am played in connection with the South African PGA in 1977. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the book by Russell James the South Africa title was won "a month or two" before the 1977 Australian Open. That is the 1977-78 season. Probably a pro-am ahead of the S Afr PGA, in which Graham obviously took part. So let's leave it there until evidence is shown. Thank you! EEJB (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Graham 

message: I see we have an article for the 2024 Players Championship, which begins tomorrow and has no detail in it. I was thinking though, do we still think that these individual tournament articles for the Players Champ are warranted? I get the sense that interest for this tournament is waning as time goes on (alongside with most of pro golf at this time in general). The tour have also lost a lot of backbone regarding their "5th major" claims given the strength of field. Obviously we don’t know exactly what the future holds, but personally I would be happy to do away with the individual articles (as we have done with the BMW PGA Championship). Interested to hear everybody’s thoughts. Jimmymci234 (talk) 13:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there are pages on all of The Players tournaments it is probably consistent to continue with the yearly articles. As an "almost major" the Players usually has had notable coverage in media so it seems the only way to demote it on Wikipedia would be if the sources disappear and the tournament's notability is downgraded by the PGA and public sentiment. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I was intending to add the field but couldn't find a complete list of the entry requirements. It still has a special status in the OWGR system, with a guaranteed 80 points, otherwise it doesn't seem so special at the moment. Can't help feeling that the PGA Tour has shot itself in the foot by excluding the LIV golfers. Nigej (talk) 14:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Nigej this may be of use  Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not convinced its accurate. This [] has a "Top 70 on Prior Year's FedExCup Points List through the Playoffs" category which seems to be new. Nigej (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really a distinction without a difference, since all of the top 70 through the Playoffs will be well inside the top 125 after the fall. The handbook (pages 28–29) only lists the top 125 category. Inside the Field lists the top 70 category, and has the categories in quite a different order from the handbook, which is another unimportant distinction. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

text: It's ok with yearly articles on The Players, but in my opinion historic senior majors, women's majors, senior women's majors and men's and women's amateur majors have higher priority. Regards, EEJB (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yearly individual Players Championship articles 

message: Why are there not any team appearances sections in the Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods articles? Regards EEJB (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone decided to put them in List of career achievements by Jack Nicklaus and List of career achievements by Tiger Woods instead. There was an AfD recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Jack Nicklaus which may be of interest. Nigej (talk) 14:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you EEJB (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team appearances for the GOATs? 

message: I am struggling a little bit with this draft for LPGA player Gurleen Kaur. She made the cut at the U.S. Open (although she finished 66th) which would qualify under WP:NGOLF, but I cannot find sources that I feel would constitute significant coverage. There are some references from her college and some local television coverage, but mainly just mentions and nothing in-depth. What would be the project's take on notability with this one as I don't want to move to mainspace if it is likely to get deleted? CNMall41 (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It there isn't sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG, then we shouldn't have an article. As a minimum, per WP:SPORTCRIT, anything in draft needs to have one GNG qualifying source before being moved to mainspace. Also, anything relating to non-elite level sport (including school/college) would need to be particularly outstanding to justify an article on that basis alone. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it. What I am saying is she does qualify under WP:NGOLF (presumably notable) based on her making the cut in the U.S. Open. I am wondering if the references used would be considered significant coverage from those who regularly work in the project. Don't want to waste anyone's time with a deletion discussion, cleanup, etc. Hope that clarifies. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no longer a presumption of notability under NSPORT guidelines, only an indication the significant coverage is likely to exist. Also, NGOLF needs tightening as it's become clear that significant coverage does not actually exist for many players who make the cut in majors or play a small number of full season(s) on tour without making an impression. Personally, I'd say the references in the article are not enough – the two most detailed are not independent of the subject – so more is needed. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability