Talk:Bengali phonology

message: According to a 1921 article by Chatterji, there are no voiceless or voiced aspirates.  This article seems well-written if unsourced.  If there is no sourcing soon, I will remove all references to aspiration here and at Romanization of Bengali. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 17:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Aspirated and murmured

message: "For some speakers, [s] can be analyzed as an allophone of either /ʃ/ or /tʃʰ/ ([ʃalam] for সালাম [salam] 'greetings' or বিচ্ছিরি [bittʃʰiri] for বিশ্রী [bisri] 'ugly')."
I don't think this is right. First, [bittʃʰiri] is probably not the correct IPA transcription. It's more likely to be [bitʃʰ:iri]. Secondly, even so, the [tʃʰ] in [bitʃʰ:iri] isn't really an allophone of the [s] in [bisri]. বিচ্ছিরি is a todbhobo (i.e., derived Bengali) word for the totshomo (i.e., Sanskrit) বিশ্রী. When a Bengali speaker is pronouncing বিচ্ছিরি, he knows he is pronouncing a different word than বিশ্রী, a word with a different lexeme in the Bengali lexicon. --Zaheen (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could [bittʃʰiri] be an emphatic form? Gemination is common for that. — kwami (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  বিচ্ছিরি  [bittʃʰiri] and বিশ্রী [bisri] 

message: What's the source for Bengali's postalveolars being alveolo-palatal? And the retroflex /ʂ/? Everything I've read on the language so far (which isn't much) has said they are simply palatoalveolars like in English and Hindi. AlexanderKaras (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the notes, we say "For some speakers, [s] can be analyzed as an allophone of either /ɕ/ or /tɕʰ/". That makes no sense, given the current chart. — kwami (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I'll put some notes (clipped from Masica) on my sandbox talk page. If s.o. here wants to use them to rewrite the article, feel free. This is just sitting on my to-do list. — kwami (talk) 19:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postalveolars 

message: These were notes I took from Masica, but never got around to integrating into the article. Now I probably won't, so use them if you can.
They're direct quotes. No page numbers, though. — kwami (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masica notes 

message: Filled with original researches, no strong set of references whatsoever and with contradictory information all over this article, it is hard to comprehend for anyone -- it makes a perfect example of how crappy an article can be. I am not an expert, but I know it requires a lot of work. 
To any editors here in this article: If you think you can improve without putting your original research or observations in the article please do so. But please please, do not put anymore OR here. It is enough already. --nafSadh did say 16:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a perfect example of Crap! 

message: 1) How can a language that produces a phonemic vowel chart with only 7 entries be described as containing 14-15 vowels while, at the same, describing vowel length as non-contrastive?
2) Why are we using square brackets for phonemic transcription and not slashes? (As is done in every other article on phonology that seeks to differentiate the phonemic from the phonetic...which this table isn't even doing).
3) What does how we transcribe sounds for Bengali on Wikipedia have to do with a phoneme chart of the Bengali language? It's irrelevant and more suited for an article or a sub-section entitled "How Bengali is transliterated on Wikipedia"...it's simply not part of the phonemic description of ANY language.
128.83.155.208 (talk) 16:41, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is this even possible? 

message: Is there a rule for pronouncing  (sbami, "husband") as ? --Anatoli (talk) 06:11, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: from my lame experience  is probably an irregular consonant cluster that should always pronounced as . It should be similar to the Hindi  (gy) which is really the letters jñ :-D – AWESOME meeos ！  *  (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 06:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{lang|bn|স্বামী}} 

message: Should nasal vowels be added to the chart? One of the other talk pages seems to include someone being confused and forgetting that Bengali has nasalization, so I think this would make it clearer, but nasal vowels aren’t used in certain eastern dialects (Khan, 2010) so that could be confusing in and of itself. Tyrui (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding nasal vowels to the chart