Talk:Syd Barrett/Archive 2

message: I don't know a lot about Roger Barrett, but I do know that a lot in this article is bullshit and it needs a major clean-up. Especially the 'Wish You Were Here' section.
:While I agree that this article needs much work (although far fewer urban legends about Syd can be found here than many other places), what exactly is your problem with the "Wish You Were Here" section, other than a lack of references (which are easily found, just nobody's bothered putting any in)? The story is well-documented, and if you take a look at the mention of the incident in the Pink Floyd article you'll find referenced interviews as recent as this year with Gilmour and Mason talking about it. - dharmabum 01:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Clean-Up Needed 

message: The BBC just announced the death of Syd a few minutes ago.  On BBC News 24, the words used to summarise his biography were (I now realise on reading our article) a verbatim quote from the introduction. I don't believe they credited us.  Let's sue! :) --Tony Sidaway 13:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: Getting conflicting reports...the Pitchfork article (www.pitchforkmedia.com) is saying that he died of cancer, and includes quotes from his brother. Are many news outlets just assuming that he died of diabetes complications since he suffered from diabetes?
:The Daily Mail says it was cancer. Of course, if he did have both cancer and diabetes, both could be causes of death.
At the moment, the AP article is saying the cause of death has not been disclosed yet.--Undertow87 23:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Guardian obituary has his death as bign caused by cancer (confirmed by Brother Alan) see:  — Rod talk 17:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like the same "He died peacefully at home" statement from his brother that's been used on many sites - some saying diabetes complications, some saying cancer.Yankees76 17:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess cancer can be considered a "complication from diabetes". I'm still puzzled about why other sources aren't citing cancer as the actual cause instead of giving a vague cause. I suppose for now you could say his death was "diabetes-related, possibly caused by cancer, according to some cites," and mark the citations for the articles saying cancer was the cause.--Undertow87 19:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, especially since the cancer tidbit has appeared in only a few articles, to my knowledge.--Undertow87 23:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was it diabetes or cancer? 

message: I removed the external link to "Have You Got It Yet?" CDs. This is a BOOTLEG collection, and therefore infringes on copyright and is unsuitable. User:Sebbeng 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed external link 

message: "There is also the possibility that the sudden death of his father (a respected pathologist) when he was 11 caused him considerable anguish and left emotional scars that probably sowed some of the seeds of his later malaise. The subject matter of a lot of his songs, the nursery rhymes and fairy tale fantasies, were reminiscent for him of a "happier" period of his childhood before his father's death."
Please delete that. 141.211.4.25 03:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  original research 

message: 1 Biography
    1.1 Early years
    1.2 Pink Floyd years (1965–1968)
    1.3 Solo years (1968–1972)
    1.4 Later years (1972-2006)
    1.5 The Wish You Were Here sessions
    1.6 Compilations
    1.7 Last years
Shouldn't sections 1.5 to 1.7 be "subsections" of 1.4 ? --Astroguato 13:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess so. --Doktor Who 03:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it, although I think the whole Biography should be split into Biography and Musical Career or something like that. Unfortunately don't have time to do it now. --Astroguato 09:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just done it. However, the 'Early years' section looks really short. Maybe it should be expanded? I've moved the 'Mental illness' section so that it's in a more logical place because of the order of events. Yeah, looking at the article now, that was a good idea from Astroguato becauase the ordering looks much more logical. ( Davehard 12:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 

message: The profile photograph is due to expire very soon and should be replaced with something legit. Dwayne Kirkwood 23:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do help and try to find something "legit". The copyright paranoia which is seemingly enforced by a small handful of people on Wikipedia regarding band and musician photos found in dozens of places is exceedingly tiresome; please, if you can find something that will satisfy them, let us know here. - dharmabum 06:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Profile Photograph

message: It is said that this article is semi-protected due to "precautionary". However, it is listed on the rules that:
"Semi-protection should not be used:
* as a pre-emptive measure against the threat or probability of vandalism before any such vandalism has occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.74.103.209 (talk • contribs) 
:I agree as I saw no real evidence of vandalism prior to the tag, only increased editorial activity. If no further comment on this topic argues convincingly otherwise in the next 48 hours then I will remove tag. Richard 11:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: A later line in the song references "the band you're in starts playing different tunes", which is a situation Barrett often got into when suffering from the symptoms of his mental illness.  I strongly suspect that this is subjective and non-factual. --Doktor Who 03:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I find it hard to believe that Waters wasn't thinking of Syd when he penned this lyric, it's never been confirmed in an interview or other source I can find, making it original research. - dharmabum 08:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of DSOTM lyrics: a subjective pov

message: I have found a strange sentence in The Orb article: The album reached number six in the UK, but critics hated it, even comparing Paterson to Pink Floyd's Syd Barrett. --Doktor Who 14:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Orb

message: Due in part to the article's recent rearrangement this section currently launches into this topic without any prior general information about when Barrett became ill and the effect it on his career. This section ought to be put back where it was before or placed after a fuller summary of his life. Richard 01:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mental Illness section needs shifting or  the intro and bio needs rewrite  

message: I'm not sure but I think Syd Barrett was in the band when they released It Would Be So Nice / Julia Dream. If you search the single cover in Google, you'll see that in the Pink Floyd photo, there is Syd Barrett. But I also know that the one who sings Julia Dream is David Gilmour. So there is a little bit confusion for me. Do you have any information about it? Because if Syd is in Pink Floyd in this time period, we should add It Would Be So Nice / Julia Dream single in his discography
:It is described by Schaffner as their first effort without Syd, so I guess the single cover just came from a slightly older photo. - dharmabum 19:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It Would Be So Nice / Julia Dream 

message: Is it time to archive (part of) this page?--Doktor Who 00:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was up over 45kb, so I archived. - dharmabum 02:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: --Msalt 19:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the wikilink to the incorrect article. Feel free to be bold in future when you see such an obvious error. - dharmabum 09:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Link "The Radio One Sessions (March, 2004): " 

message: Do you have some info about where he was buried (or ashes dispersed) ? 83.79.34.28 21:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burial 

message: The photo currently there - Image:Syd1971.jpg - is tagged for removal.  It seems to be the same as the cover for the Peel Session EP.  Anyone know its source ?  Anyone got a copy of the EP to hand to see if that says anything ?  -- Beardo 00:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the same photo. The jacket doesn't mention the photo specifically, but if someone wants to contact the label maybe they could get permission that way. Although, Mick Rock has a huge number of Barrett photos and I'm guessing he'd be willing to let us use one of those. I could be mistaken about that. User:Sebbeng 03:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: # Keep. I believe we should keep the paragraph, and that it should be improved by properly attributing sources. User:Sebbeng 17:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support Keeping (comment on whether you think edits should be made)

message: #
:1) Delete. The material accuses Barrett of assault with a weapon, kidnapping (unlawful detention). It is disgraceful as it stands, without proper citation and attribution, . Nobody with Wikipaedia's best interests in mind should countenance it. --RichardJ Christie 23:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support Deleting Material as it stands or Altogether (specify)

message: Note: This article has a small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and subject content. Currently it would not pass criteria 2b.
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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: I understand that since the subject of the article is English, the language of the article should be
British English. 
Any objections?
Trishm 12:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may think it ridiculous, but it is wikipedia policy. There are many contributors from the UK and other Anglophone countries (whose English is closer to British than American). see  WP:MOS#National_varieties_of_English and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28national_varieties_of_English%29. There are many Brits contributing to this article and related article. (Note the comments about "Pink Floyd are ..." instead of "Pink Floyd is ..." on that page.) Fortunately, Syd didn't have much to do with pavements or petrol. -- Beardo 02:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No - he was British, British English prevails. -- Beardo 19:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The style guide, yes. But WP:ENGVAR remains part of the MOS. -- Beardo 19:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We absolutely should  keep this as British English. Gives you Americans a chance to learn it (the wonders of the internet!), SqueakBox 19:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling: British English  

message: If someone wants to work this sort of stuff in, Tangerine Dream's new album Madcap's Flaming Duty is a tribute to Barrett. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tributes 

message: This article is being reviewed at Good Article Review for possible delisting of its Good article status. Teemu08 23:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what? What has made it decline in quality? TheQuandry 23:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article Review of GA status 

message: As far as I know there is not a 'The Lost Years' compilation album by Syd. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. I am not aware of a roio with that name but then it should not be mentioned amongst the official releases. One could consider adding the semi-legal book/cd 'A Fish Out Of Water' that contains two Pink Floyd demos: 'I'm a King Bee' and 'Lucy Lea (in Blue Tight)' (although that one is really called 'Lucy Leave'). This release was legal in Italy (but not in the rest of the world, I fear), to avoid copyright hassle the tracks have been attributed to a band called 'Architectural Abdabs' and not to Pink Floyd. Felix Atagong 13:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lost Years 

message: There's no way this is GA. It was added as a GA a year and a half ago, in October 2005. It fails the current GA standards by a long way, with nowhere near enough references for just one thing.-h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 01:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, IMO it never deserved such status, I suspected the award of such was a bit of a set up, as the article was/has been far worse than it currently is.RichardJ Christie 11:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: without going into it too far, was it a smallish group of 'consensus' benders that created the GA situation? and ha s wiki failed in some way, and now needs to make it good? will this be the true test of editors commitment to the task? or another random outcome from a random set of editors that arrive to mash it up for the purpose? ie will it be raised to GA standard or will GA staus be lost?  mmm pondering..moza 03:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on The Quandry and others so defensive of this article, how about working toward making it a real GA article? It will require a bit of an attitudinal shift for some, but I suggest removing most of the fanzine hearsay gossip about Barrett's behaviour when he was ill would be a good place to start. I would start doing it myself but the organised "ring-in" resistance I encountered last time deters me from bothering. RichardJ Christie 09:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We have covered this already. The "fanzine hearsay gossip" (which I very clearly cited and provided references for some time ago) that you refer to is an important part of understanding this person and is a part of his history. Wikipedia is not censored and isn't in a position to make judgement calls on what is nice and what is not nice. I don't appreciate you accusing me of "organised ring-in resistance", either. I will be here to make sure the important information in the article about Barrett's illness is kept. It has nothing to do with the article lacking a positive GA status. TheQuandry 05:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed GA status 

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