Talk:List of schools of philosophy

message: As far as I can see we have two editors for Objectivism and three editors for Objectivism.  I will not repeat the arguments above.  In addition this is a new item on the list, not an established one.
I will put forward again that either Objectivism (Ayn Rand) or Objectivism represent a NPOV.  However if no other edits are prepared to get involved, or change their position then I suggest this is taken to mediation.  --Snowded TALK 20:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, the name of Ayn Rand's Philosophy is Objectivism.  No one is trying to define Objectivism to mean something else other than what it names.  Concerning this term "Randism" you use, that term is slang, not the actual proper name of Ayn Rand's Philosophy.  There is only one name for Ayn Rand's Philosophy: Objectivism. Karbinski (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: No one is saying that the proper name for Ayn Rand's philosophy is other than Objectivism and I am using Randism as a short hand to avoid writing Objectivism (Ayn Rand).  The point is that Ayn Rand's philosophy is not the only one which uses the word Objectivism.  Hence the NPOV position is to link to the disambiguation page which is the position that Ethan supported above.  That way there is a link.  The other acceptable option is to list the school using the name of the article itself  --Snowded TALK 07:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Right, I have amended the school to correspond with the article name.   If this is not accepted (or a link to the disambiguation page) then I am going to simply refer it to an administrator for decision.  --Snowded TALK 14:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

text: OK its been reversed with the normal accusations.  Its not going to be resolved here, I have posted a request for advice on ANI  here  --Snowded TALK 23:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forwards 

message: A simple search of Google scholar will show you some citations of Rand, but many other references to Objectivism which have no reference whatsoever to Rand.  Thus is clear evidence that the the term has broader meaning and if listed here as a school must either go to a disambiguation page or be clearly identified as Ayn Rand.
As far as I can see the link to the disambiguation page is the nearest to consensus.  Two editors opposed to the link with Rand, two for and one OK with disambig.  The default is thus clear.  --Snowded TALK 15:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What Snowded has not mentioned is that those other references to Objectivism are NOT schools of philosopy.  And there certainly is no article in Wikipedia for a school of philosophy with Objectivism in it's name, other than the one related to Rand.  He wants to link to a disambiguation page that has no other school of philosophy in it.  There is no sense to that. --Steve (talk) 19:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The Google citations (and any basic reading of Philosophy, in particular Philosophy of Science) show that Objectivism, like Pragmatism etc is a generic title for several schools or approaches to philosophy.  It can not be commandeered by the follower of one author.  Its not a question determined by Wikipedia articles as objectivist approaches (non randian) are referenced in many articles on the subject.  The link to the disambiguation page is a compromise (and that does make it clear that there are other uses of the term).  However it should really be listed with the same name as the page Objectivism (Ayn rand) as that is the school in question --Snowded TALK 20:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence/Status 

message: There is a school of philosophy, founded by Ayn rand, called Objectivism.  This is sourced, as if you didn't know it.  The school is not called "Objectivism (Ayn Rand)" so the philosophy named on this page is not to be called by the name of a wikipedia page.  Stop the POV edits, your disdain for Objectivism, no matter how reasonable, doesn't affect its name or its status as a school of philosophy. Kjaer (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Snowded, I suggest that it be left without any foofarah or dodads - just "Objectivism", like the others.  Now, I know that you are likely to object, saying it needs to be disambiguated from this other school of philosophy named "objectivism" - Why don't we wait until that alledged school of philosophy has an actual article and then we can put in this list as well - maybe as "Moral objectivism" or whatever. --Steve (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I know that is your position and I disagree with it.  Neither is there any requirement for there to be another article, the Google scholar search provides evidence of other uses of the term.  Objectivism is a respectable term in main stream philosophy and is not uniquely associated with the ideas of Rand.   My suggested compromise above handles that difference. At the moment opinion between your approach, and a reversion to the disambiguation page is evenly divided so there is no consensus.  Technically one might revert to having no entry here at all (the position before the edit war), as it is I am suggesting a way forward which I suggest you think about accepting.  --Snowded TALK 17:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know that you have been asked this before, several times, but let me ask again:  Would you please share with us the link, or links, to the other schools of philosophy called Objectivism that the reader might be interested in and that exist on that disambiguation page that you insist are being bypassed?  And let me complement you on the subtlety of your threat to delete a valid school of philosophy altogether if you can't have it your way - that is worded so well that it almost doesn't look like a threat and it sort of has built-in deniablitity - you can say, "That is not what I was saying."  And, Snowded, references to an edit war should always come back to a count, which reveals that you have been the prominent reverter and initiator.  --Steve (talk) 18:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know you have been asked this before, several times, but let me ask again: Look at the Google Scholar search.  You cannot confine the term objectivism to Rand.  That aside I really can't see why you object to the proposed compromise--Snowded TALK 18:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourced and Accurate

message: The link is to Objectivism (Ayn Rand) as the tooltip/rollover/alt-text informs the user.  The little superscript numbers don't take the user anywhere and are therefore somwhat confusing.  I think Objectivism (Ayn Rand) on its own would suffice.  Karbinski (talk) 17:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can live with that --Snowded TALK 18:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the link should be 

message: It appears to me some one is having some fun (aka vandalism) with the list.  One would think that the imagination doesn't stretch far enough to put the Bavarian Illuminati here.  So, object now, you of this secret order, or loose your link. --Steve (talk) 16:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bavarian Illuminati 

message: Sorry, this is a list of schools of philosophy, not a list of wikipedia articles, nor a list of disambiguation pages.  If you can find a reference showing that "Objectivism" is really called "Objectivism (Ayn Rand)" the please show it.Kjaer (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit, my motivation is to do a little marketing.  Karbinski (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No idea what you are peddling. However its interesting that the Stamford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy does not have a section on objectivism.   I return to the compromise proposal - we list objectivism with the pipe link but add a note to the effect that this is the school of thought that grew out of Ayn Rand's writings.  This really does seem a way of avoiding controversy/  --Snowded TALK 22:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whatever it is I'm peddling, the references do a fine job of it. Karbinski (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Shouldn't there be a template or something on the article or talk page if this has been escalated to ArbCom?  No link to referenced sites. Karbinski (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an ArbCom on the Ayn Rand article, which is focusing very much on the behavior of the editors of that article during the last month or so.  This article has been mentioned (by Snowded) but the ArbCom is not about this article.  The admins who resolve that ArbCom may look at this article, but it isn't the focus of the ArbCom. --Steve (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  They are looking generally at articles to do with Ayn Rand - we will have to see what comes out of that.  For the moment I am not engaging in an edit war on this even though it does not have consensus --Snowded TALK 20:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of schools of philosophy

message: Is Evangelical Christianity, Roman Catholicism, or Christianity in general a philosophical school of thought?  It seems to me that they are not; rather they are theological schools of thought.  A simple yes or no will be sufficient, but longer responses are always welcomed.  Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Barring a citation of course, no. A religion or a religious sect is not a philosophical school of thought. Thomism is an example of a Christian philosophical school of thought. An individual can be a Christian philosopher, but his Christianity does not necessarily entail what his philosophical views will be. OottoO (talk) 11:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the above, I am going to remove Islam. Also, are Achintya Bheda Abheda, Dvaita, Dvaitadvaita, Gaudiya Vaishnavism, Shuddhadvaita, and Vishishtadvaita considered philosophical schools of thought? I think there may be a misunderstanding in that the word 'philosophy' is used routinely in the articles on Hinduism. I do not know much about Hinduism but it appears that these "philosophical schools of thought" are little more than different religious interpretations, similar to the distinction between Jansenism or Calvinism in Christianity or the Hanafi and Hanbali interpretations in Islam. OottoO (talk) 11:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Ok, that's what I thought too.  Thanks.  Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 16:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity as a philosophical school? 

message: We need a School of philosophy article not redirected to this list. Editor2020 (talk) 01:57, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools of philosophy article