Talk:Sexuality of Jesus

message: Another thing is that Jesus is commonly believed to be hypostasis of the Holy Trinity, and in this perspective it makes as much sense to ask about the sexuality of Jesus than to ask about the sexuality of God the Father or the sexuality of the Holy Spirit. There are certain female saints that have reportedly fallen deeply in love with God the Father. The Holy Spirit, for his part, is often described as the spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary because of his doctrinal role in the Incarnation of Jesus Christ on Earth. ADM (talk) 13:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: God the Father, Holy Spirit, etc

message: While many maintain that the Church is the Bride this is far from the only interpretation. Yet this article makes it appeapopr as fact.--174.45.209.117 (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bride of Christ

message: This is actually probably false as as in context, spado, which in most cases means eunuch, is generally translated as virgin as in here  and a fuller explanation can be found here. 
The original translation given in the notes is: Tertullian, On Monogamy, 3: “...He stands before you, if you are willing to copy him, as a voluntary spado (eunuch) in the flesh.” And elsewhere: "The Lord Himself opened the kingdom of heaven to eunuchs and He Himself lived as a eunuch. The apostle [Paul] also, following His example, made himself a eunuch..."
I added a bit to the reference to better explain it so a future editor can incorporate it into the article.
DemonicInfluence (talk) 09:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus being a Eunuch according to Tertullian 

message: "The sexuality of Jesus has been portrayed in fiction, but the Letter to the Hebrews 4:15 states: 'We do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.' Most Christian denominations throughout history thus have maintained that Jesus remained celibate until his death. Interpretation of indirect evidence has produced widely varying theories of Jesus's sexuality."
So I hear an argumentative tone starting at the comma-spliced "but". "Thus" seems unjustified. "Maintained" (vs., say, "understood") seems a bit strong, since Christian teaching typically ignores the sexuality of Jesus. And how can any evidence be more "indirect" than a passage from the Letter to the Hebrews, whose unknown author seems temporally and culturally removed from any personal knowledge of Jesus, and is arguing a Christology? In short, not at all neutral or encyclopedic.
I've deliberately not revised, knowing how invested some may be on one side or other of the question. To my mind a better lead, with references as appropriate, might read:
No passage in the Christian scriptural canon unambiguously describes a sexual act or relation of Jesus (as distinct from his relatively few but telling remarks about sexuality). Jesus was explicitly argued to have been a lifelong celibate by some Church fathers, and this understanding entered tradition, although without much subsequent emphasis. Contrary speculation, sometimes arguing from scripture, has been documented since at least the sixteenth century CE, and includes a number of explicit fictional portrayals. Michael (talk) 05:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead is argumentative 

message: Coming to this article fresh, I thought it would have been better if following the lead we had had a strong section on the celibacy of Jesus. He never married (pretty unusual for a rabbi), but furthermore preached an urgency about the coming of the Kingdom of God which made little time for personal relationships. This model was important for subsequent generations of Christians. Then we should move onto whether he had romantic or sexual relationships with others. I guess Mary Magdalene should come first, as it's the most well-known (thanks to Dan Brown), and then have a little on possible same-sex relationships. This would include the Beloved Disciple. And I disagree strongly that there couple of paras here we have are WP:UNDUE. That forgets that there is a whole article elsewhere on the relationship with Mary Magdalene! Contaldo80 (talk) 10:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Gene Robinson is a senior member of the Christian clergy as I understood it - Bishop of New Hampshire. I think your comparison to Elton John is insulting and cheap. Contaldo80 (talk) 10:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Work on article

message: What about the philosophical implications of Jesus possibly being a homosexual and engaging in homosexual sexual intercourse (which might typically include Jesus performing oral sex on other males, receiving oral sex from other males, being anally penetrated by other males, anally penetrating other males, masturbating the erected penises of other males, and having his own erected penis masturbated by other males) - if Jesus possibly did these things then they can not hardly be considered "sinful." And there is this philosophical problem, that if these things are sinful, why are we able to mentally form an image of for example Jesus homosexually kneeling before another man and taking pleasure in moving his salivating mouth back and forth over the other man's fully erected penis, to the point of Jesus stimulating his male lover to an orgasm and swallowing semen? Since this envisioning effects a permanent affixation in our brains, it would render us irredeemably sinful for thinking it unless either it is no sin at all to picture this, or the image reflects reality (ie Jesus actually having enjoyed completing an act of oral sex on another man). This is a serious philosophical issue, even though it requires discussion of imagary that might discomfit some, to be discussed. DeguJohn (talk) 14:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a forum for general discussion about the topic. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, such 'philosophical implications' are not especially anything to do with the sexuality of Jesus, since the issue is identically raised if we claim as much as to any of many other figures for whom the image of homosexual activity would be shocking. The same arises in connection with inducing a Muslim to picture Mohammad in this way, or perhaps of a Mormon induced to so imagine Joseph Smith. DeistCosmos (talk) 20:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophical implications 

message: Does anyone else interpret this as suggesting he was gay??
Crist was a mayde, and shapen as a man,
And many a seint, sith that the world began,
Yet lived they ever in parfit chastitee,
I will envye no virginitee,
Lat hem be breed of pure whete sede,
And lat us wyves hoten barley-breed,
And yet with barley-breed, Mark telle can
Our Lord Jhesu refresshed many a man.
(Geoffrey Chaucer's Wife of Bath's Prologue)  Walshie79 (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Jesus in medieval literature?

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message: Given that this has been more or less conclusively been shown to be a fraud, I've cut it out. Mangoe (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: Obviously we aren't going to be able to get rid of this, but since the verb in that is "ἠγάπα", surely we can find enough koine-reading bible scholars who can tell that the whole thing is bosh and a fringe idea. Mangoe (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The disciple" section 

message: – there are three contentious issues that are subject to an edit war and need to be addressed:
# – should the sentence in the lead, "That has not prevented speculation about alternative and fringe theories of his sexuality." be changed to, "That has not prevented speculation about and research into alternative theories of his sexuality."?
# – should the sentence, with citation, in the "Jewis background" section, "Jesus explicitly stated that he came "not to abolish, but to fulfill" Jewish law, and at his various trials, no one could testify that Jesus broke Jewish laws on sexuality.Matthew 5:17Matthew 26:59-60" be deleted as theology?
# – should the description of the Gospel of Phillip in the "Mary Magdalene" section as, "a very late book dating from around the third century which was rejected from inclusion in the Bible" be deleted as redundant?
– please respect that consensus must be reached before any further changes to these three issues are made - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: – I made two edits to the article based on the above concerns – 1. removed "on sexuality" from the sentence "no one could testify that Jesus broke Jewish laws on sexuality." as sexuality is not specifically mentioned in bible verses cited – also, WP:RSPSCRIPTURE might apply here as bible verses are cited without reliable secondary sources – 2. I added a wikilink for non canonical and shortened the sentence to "The non-canonical 3rd-century text Gospel of Philip" – please discuss here if anyone finds these changes unacceptable - thanks, Epinoia (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contentious issues