Talk:Snowdon

message: I'm no expert on railways, but shouldn't it be "rack and pinion"?
:"Rack Railway" is an acceptable abbreviation. AHEMSLTD 21:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rack and pinion

message: How about an explanation of the English name Snowdon as well as the Welsh one since they are so obviously unconnected?--JBellis 18:07, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Origin 

message: While the article discusses several routes up, none of them mention how many miles or kilometers they are. Rmhermen 05:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How long?

message: The lead section currently implies that the mountain as a whole is called Snowdon, while the summit (only) is also called Yr Wyddfa. Is there a reliable source confirming this state of affairs? I'll admit that I tend to make this distinction myself, and others do too, but I suspect it's rather unofficial; it certainly doesn't exist in Welsh as far as I can tell. It would probably be better to start the article in the orthodox way, something like "Snowdon (Welsh: Yr Wyddfa) is the highest mountain in Wales...", possibly going on to mention the mountain/summit distinction if it can be referenced. --Blisco 19:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Yr Wyddfa" in Welsh is used to refer to the whole mountain.  It has to, because - despite its literal meaning - if it only referrred to the summit, what else would we call the rest of it?!  All Welsh maps label the mountain "yr Wyddfa", and I have never come across a Welsh reference implying the contrary.  Indeed a quick search of half a dozen official bodies' websites confirms this, in both their English and Welsh language versions.  I agree that the intro could do with altering.      Hogyn Lleol 19:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: In english?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark wounds (talk • contribs) 15:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Yr Wyddfa only apply to the summit? 

message: Snowdon is the name of a Movement, kind of gang culture located in the North East of England —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcstoney hiphop (talk • contribs) 18:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snowdon Gang Culture 

message: Should not this majestic mountain appear under it's true Welsh name as the main article and the English name as the redirect, after all we would not put Londres as the name for London. This is a Welsh mountain and we should refer to it by it's original and current name?
What do we think? AndyBoyd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyBoyd (talk • contribs) 20:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See Swansea, Munich, Rome etc. and .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.66.138.14 (talk) 14:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh name first English Second ?

message: Hi the pronunciation guide (IPA transliteration) is incorrected.
Currently it reads [ɐɾ 'wɪðva] but it should read [əɾ 'wɪðva] (see Welsh phonology for confirmation).
I corrected it 18 months ago (without having a login, but usually I'm on non-English Wikipedias, so for a character I didn't want to creat an account), but it was reverted within 20 minutes, even though this tiny correction of a single character cannot be regarded as vandalism. Now I feel discouraged to edit it again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.49.124.107 (talk) 11:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA phonetics incorrect 

message: Could someone add a geology section. What are the rocks composed of? Describe all rocks of which it is formed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.50.171.220 (talk) 13:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone add a geology section 

message: I'm not particularly well versed in Celtic water bestiaries, but is it quite right that  and the  are strongly associated with the mountain? I thought they were basically lake beings, as their articles suggest. I don't know if it means anything that the Welsh-language version of the article doesn't mention them, whilst it does keep in the giant, Rhita Gawr. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 10:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Folklore section makes it clear that the afanc and the Tylwyth Teg are associated with lakes on the mountain's flanks. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I was just wondering if it merits the intro mention, which makes it sound as if they are a key part of the overall mountain myth - not that mention isn't deserved in the article at all. They sound slightly minor, but maybe I'm misunderstanding their significance - however, I've been on and around the mountain for many years and spoken to a great many local people about the area and never heard them being emphasised in that way. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

text: The lead is merely summarising the article, and the sentence in question is only trying to say that there are various myths and legends attached to the massif, rather than drawing out examples of particular significance. I don't think it counts as undue weight. In fact, I think leaving out some mention of the other myths and legends would be to overemphasise Rhitta Gawr's place. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro - water fairies and nymphs 

message: Would someone like to incorporate something on Wordsworth's Snowdon section in his great "Prelude" of 1850?
[ The following text, in the common domain, from: http://homes.lmc.gatech.edu/~broglio/1102/snowdon.html ]
IN one of those excursions (may they ne'er 
                    Fade from remembrance!) through the Northern tracts 
                    Of Cambria ranging with a youthful friend, 
                    I left Bethgelert's huts at couching-time, 
                    And westward took my way, to see the sun 
                    Rise, from the top of Snowdon. To the door 
                    Of a rude cottage at the mountain's base 
                    We came, and roused the shepherd who attends 
                    The adventurous stranger's steps, a trusty guide; 
                    Then, cheered by short refreshment, sallied forth.          10
                      It was a close, warm, breezeless summer night, 
                    Wan, dull, and glaring, with a dripping fog 
                    Low-hung and thick that covered all the sky; 
                    But, undiscouraged, we began to climb 
                    The mountain-side. The mist soon girt us round, 
                    And, after ordinary travellers' talk 
                    With our conductor, pensively we sank 
                    Each into commerce with his private thoughts: 
                    Thus did we breast the ascent, and by myself 
                    Was nothing either seen or heard that checked               20 
                    Those musings or diverted, save that once 
                    The shepherd's lurcher, who, among the crags, 
                    Had to his joy unearthed a hedgehog, teased 
                    His coiled-up prey with barkings turbulent. 
                    This small adventure, for even such it seemed 
                    In that wild place and at the dead of night, 
                    Being over and forgotten, on we wound 
                    In silence as before. With forehead bent 
                    Earthward, as if in opposition set 
                    Against an enemy, I panted up                               30 
                    With eager pace, and no less eager thoughts. 
                    Thus might we wear a midnight hour away, 
                    Ascending at loose distance each from each, 
                    And I, as chanced, the foremost of the band; 
                    When at my feet the ground appeared to brighten, 
                    And with a step or two seemed brighter still; 
                    Nor was time given to ask or learn the cause, 
                    For instantly a light upon the turf 
                    Fell like a flash, and lo! as I looked up, 
                    The Moon hung naked in a firmament                          40 
                    Of azure without cloud, and at my feet 
                    Rested a silent sea of hoary mist. 
                    A hundred hills their dusky backs upheaved 
                    All over this still ocean; and beyond, 
                    Far, far beyond, the solid vapours stretched, 
                    In headlands, tongues, and promontory shapes, 
                    Into the main Atlantic, that appeared 
                    To dwindle, and give up his majesty, 
                    Usurped upon far as the sight could reach. 
                    Not so the ethereal vault; encroachment none                50 
                    Was there, nor loss; only the inferior stars 
                    Had disappeared, or shed a fainter light 
                    In the clear presence of the full-orbed Moon, 
                    Who, from her sovereign elevation, gazed 
                    Upon the billowy ocean, as it lay 
                    All meek and silent, save that through a rift-- 
                    Not distant from the shore whereon we stood, 
                    A fixed, abysmal, gloomy, breathing-place-- 
                    Mounted the roar of waters, torrents, streams 
                    Innumerable, roaring with one voice!                        60 
                    Heard over earth and sea, and, in that hour, 
                    For so it seemed, felt by the starry heavens.
                      When into air had partially dissolved 
                    That vision, given to spirits of the night 
                    And three chance human wanderers, in calm thought 
                    Reflected, it appeared to me the type 
                    Of a majestic intellect, its acts 
                    And its possessions, what it has and craves, 
                    What in itself it is, and would become. 
                    There I beheld the emblem of a mind                         70 
                    That feeds upon infinity, that broods 
                    Over the dark abyss, intent to hear 
                    Its voices issuing forth to silent light 
                    In one continuous stream; a mind sustained 
                    By recognitions of transcendent power, 
                    In sense conducting to ideal form, 
                    In soul of more than mortal privilege. 
                    One function, above all, of such a mind 
                    Had Nature shadowed there, by putting forth, 
                    'Mid circumstances awful and sublime,                       80 
                    That mutual domination which she loves 
                    To exert upon the face of outward things, 
                    So moulded, joined, abstracted, so endowed 
                    With interchangeable supremacy, 
                    That men, least sensitive, see, hear, perceive, 
                    And cannot choose but feel. The power, which all 
                    Acknowledge when thus moved, which Nature thus 
                    To bodily sense exhibits, is the express 
                    Resemblance of that glorious faculty 
                    That higher minds bear with them as their own.              90 
                    This is the very spirit in which they deal 
                    With the whole compass of the universe: 
                    They from their native selves can send abroad 
                    Kindred mutations; for themselves create 
                    A like existence; and, whene'er it dawns 
                    Created for them, catch it, or are caught 
                    By its inevitable mastery, 
                    Like angels stopped upon the wing by sound 
                    Of harmony from Heaven's remotest spheres. 
                    Them the enduring and the transient both                   100 
                    Serve to exalt; they build up greatest things 
                    From least suggestions; ever on the watch, 
                    Willing to work and to be wrought upon, 
                    They need not extraordinary calls 
                    To rouse them; in a world of life they live, 
                    By sensible impressions not enthralled, 
                    But by their quickening impulse made more prompt 
                    To hold fit converse with the spiritual world, 
                    And with the generations of mankind 
                    Spread over time, past, present, and to come,              110 
                    Age after age, till Time shall be no more. 
                    Such minds are truly from the Deity, 
                    For they are Powers; and hence the highest bliss 
                    That flesh can know is theirs--the consciousness 
                    Of Whom they are, habitually infused 
                    Through every image and through every thought, 
                    And all affections by communion raised 
                    From earth to heaven, from human to divine; 
                    Hence endless occupation for the Soul, 
                    Whether discursive or intuitive;                           120 
                    Hence cheerfulness for acts of daily life, 
                    Emotions which best foresight need not fear, 
                    Most worthy then of trust when most intense. 
                    Hence, amid ills that vex and wrongs that crush 
                    Our hearts--if here the words of Holy Writ 
                    May with fit reverence be applied--that peace 
                    Which passeth understanding, that repose 
                    In moral judgments which from this pure source 
                    Must come, or will by man be sought in vain.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.202.206 (talk) 05:40, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snowdon in Wordsworth's Prelude 

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message: The section listing and discussing the routes up Snowdon was inconsistent.  Some of the routes had lengths and height gains, some didn't, and there were errors (e.g. describing the Llanberis path as the shallowest gradient).  I have had a go at making it consistent, putting a standard statement of length, height gain, and overall gradient at the start of the description of each route.  I have taken these from Ordnance Survey 1:25000 mapping but there are problems with getting definitive numbers.  Some of the routes have ambiguous start points (does Rhyd Ddu start on the road in the village or at the (higher) station car park?  Does the Pyg track start at the road at Pen-y-pass or at the edge of the car park? Exactly how far up the road does the Llanberis path start?)  There are other differences in figures given on various websites, e.g. the start elevation of the Watkin path, that I can't see an easy explanation for.  By using OS contour lines, at least we have consistency, and I think it's likely to be as authoritative as anything, but others might have alternative ideas.
For Crib Goch and Y LLiwedd, I haven't put height gains, as these have significant "downs" as well as "ups", so the difference between start and finish elevations is not especially meaningful.
I also added a graph showing the profiles of the routes, again based on OS 1:25000 contours.  It's quite confused, which I think is inevitable to some extent when trying to show 8 overlapping routes, but I am very open to suggestions for how to improve it.
Other minor changes: I moved Crib Goch after Pyg to preserve the anticlockwise order, and I deleted the words in the "ascents" section about the views, which duplicated the longer account in a separate section later.Johnstoo (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ascents" section