Talk:Six Kalimas

message: Do we really need to include the vowelling? It makes the Arabic script a bit messy and cluttered.
Yeah, because it helps people who aren't necessarily experts at reading arabic script...
Speaking of vowelling, I would like the kalima-e-tayyabah to have vowels just like the rest in this article. It doesn't make sense to leave one of them out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.244.136 (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vowelling 

message: The introductory paragraph is profoundly simplistic. The Six Kalimas (or Six "Words") are recorded in various books of knowledge can you name one of these books at least? I regularly read Islamic books in both Arabic and English and have yet to have even heard of this. and are recited (and remembered) by Muslims across the globe I am assuming these "Muslims across the globe are a particular sect, perhaps mystical. These kalimas were compiled together for people to memorize and learn the basic fundamentals of Islam.Who compiled them together? And as they are prayers or adhkar how does one learn the basic fundamentals of Islam from them? They are not found altogether complete in any one hadith or narration from the Islamic prophet Muhammad. What are those hadith they are found in? Supertouch (talk) 14:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing

message: I always thought that the last part of the first Kalima was "Mohammad ur rasul-allah"
"not wa Mohammadan rasulul-llah" Puck42 (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: First Kalima

message: There should be a seperate page for just the Kalimah. The idea of the 6 kalimas is practically unknown outside of the Indian subcontinent, it is something specific to a portion of the Muslim community and in all honesty, means absolutely nothing to the rest. The Kalimah however is THE symbol of Islam, and as such it deserves its own page, so 'kalimah' should not redirect to this page any longer.Musa abu A'isha (talk) 11:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kalimah vs 5 Kalimas 

message: it seems it was an urdu speaker who made this article.
Urdu is not the language of islam, arabic is the language of islam.
please remove urdu sentences and replace them with arabic ones.
thank u  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.129.51.169 (talk) 21:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  urdu 

message: The article name says 6 Kalimas, but the article says there are 5 Kalimas. This is the most egregious problem here. Aside from problem stated above. This article needs to be rewritten so a non muslim can understand it, and how it fits into islam. This article gives very little context, and reads more like a page from a religious instruction manual.66.80.6.163 (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 5 or 6?

message: In addition to all the problems mentioned above (applicability of the concept of "kalima" to Islam in general, the use of Urdu terms, no references to any hadith, no explanantion of "books of knowledge", etc, etc), none of the references which link to dawateislami.net (currently ref's 1, 3, 5, and 6) ever actually completely load.
There were numerous errors in presentation of original Arabic text, transliteration of the text, and translation of the texts, which I've done my best to repair.  Some errors were minor and others were major.
It's my view that this article is really irreparable and should be scrapped.  How does one go about officially proposing deletion?--Akhooha (talk) 20:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why hasn't this article been deleted? 

message: ...because clearly nobody else is going to.
I think I figured out that it is difficult to find references on the "six kalimas"  because there used to be five. 
"five kalimas" are mentioned in this 1894 source, so it seems reasnoable to assume that the first five became standard at some point in the 19th century.
The addition of the sixth seems to be comparatively recent, certainly post-1945. 
The best lead seems to be Darul Uloom Deoband, which is recorded as teaching the "six kalimas" by the 2000s. The school was founded 1866, and they might have introduced this notion of "six kalimas" at any time after that, but maybe their canon didn't become mainstream until recently. 
Of course, when we read about "five kalimas" or "six kalimas", we have no way of knowing that these are always the same texts, as "kalima" simple means "word" or "utterance" or something. 
long story short, the first reference to "six kalimas" I found so far dates to the 1990s, which seems to be about the time when they became mainstream in Pakistan, but reference to "five kalimas" can be found in the 1890s. --dab (𒁳) 17:46, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: trying to source this