Talk:Kolkata/Archive 7

message: I do not think the Maidan article should be merged with Kolkata. As of now, it has no extra information, but it is a seperate and important enough entity in itself with a lot of history and atmosphere. Central Park and New York City are seperate articles !
70.17.163.241 11:28, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Maidan

message: We need a brief on sections like history on the man page inspite of moving the history section into a separate page.
Arunram 04:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a discussion on this actually, Sean. Institution names are just that: names! Talking about Bangla names or English names is kind of not worthwhile. So, if Calcutta Times is not renamed to Kolkata Times or say University XYZ of Calcutta is not renamed University XYZ of Kolkata, we can't and shouldn't change that on the article. Hope this clears things up! Urnonav 05:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page needs summaries of separate articles 

message: Make smaller articles on specific things, and use this main article as a summary.
:I agree, there is currently far too much detail. Akamad 13:39, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there seems to be a consensus on the fact that the article is too big (and Wikipedia:Article size says over 50kb is when it's time to consider chopping up, this was over 70kb), I have moved much of the "Places of interest" section to Places of interest in Kolkata.  I see this as the best way I can think of of helping fix the length problem.  If anyone has a better idea, or thinks more of this section should be in the main article, I'd be happy to hear any ideas you have.  I know this article is too long and has to be fixed, I tried fixing it the best way that I could see, but if anyone has a better idea of how to fix it, then present your idea. Mr. Know-It-All 20:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is too big! 

message: Hi,
Calstreet is still not a complete portal. Don't add a link to it, unless it is pointing to an article.Chirags 22:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CalStreet  

message: The sub-heading Ethnic communities in Kolkata contains very interesting information and photo.However,in the article Kolkata I think the content of the sub-heading is a bit too large,given the concern on the size of Kolkata.
If possible,can the content of the Ethnic communities in Kolkata be transferred to a new article of the same name, while there remains a summary of the content under Kolkata , along with a link to the new article Ethnic communities in Kolkata ? 
I think this move would not only shorten the size of Kolkata,but it conforms to the usual rule of articles related to Indian cities,and will allow for newer sections like Economy,Administration etc. 
Similarly, the section on Festival can be shortened and transferred to a new article/category.--Dwaipayanc 08:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic communities in Kolkata

message: I have made several changes in the Kolkata page.The size has been somewhat reduced.Please review the article and modify.Also, the Administration  section needs to be developed.--Dwaipayanc 18:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning on oppose. —Nightstallion (?) 09:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: #Support as requestor joturner 19:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support move to Calcutta

message: #Weak oppose There are more than 9 million Google hits for "Kolkata" ... yes: less than half as many as for "Calcutta".  However, given that the locale's name was changed to K in 2000 and is not by any means uncommon, I see little pressing need to change it to C only for it to possibly be changed back to K once it gains more currency.  For example, a perusal of the West Bengal section of the Government of India website uses both, with more instances of K than C.  Moreover, publications like Encyclopaedia Britannica (Book of the Year; Almanac) increasingly list K first and C parenthetically after it.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose move to Calcutta

message: Do we really need this section Modern Kolkata? Though the section has good information (like the description of CBD), the theme is repeatitive, and has slightly been handled in the Economy section. Please comment.Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 11:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Kolkata

message: The history section was quite empty so I made it about 5 times bigger. There are some amazing facts relating to Calcutta's past that nobody had mentioned - I put these into the histort & trivia section. 
ASIA's FIRST RAILWAY
ASIA'S FIRST TELEGRAPH
INDIA'S FIRST NEWSPAPER
WHERE THE LINK BETWEEN MOSQUITOES & MALARIA WAS PROVED
THE BIRTHPLACE OF WILLIAM MAKEPEACE THACKERAY
Mighty facts, but of course, Indians have almost written the British out of their history. )-:
:There is no reference to Mother Teresa in the article. Can someone please add? - Ganeshk (talk) 08:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Dwaipayanc 11:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Hi! We have a good number of images on Kolkata. However, there seems to be too many of them. We can choose some that can be removed. And due to browser differences, sometimes there are images are seen differently by different users ! Following is the copy of talk I had with blacksun
"Oh ! When I am seeing in my browser, the 4 photos on transport section appears in the same section i.e. transport. This may be a browser/ settings problem, I have faced similar problems earlier.I use Mozilla firefox. Anyway, I do not mind removing that old horse carriage photo, but a traffic jam photo should be there. If necessary, you can put your arguments in the talk page of Kolkata , so that other wikipedia users also can see the problem and decide ehat to do, rather than just 2 of us. I am copying this message to Kolkata talk page, please answae there."
Please see so that images are used appropriately in the article so that they represent a good picture of Kolkata as a whole. Bye. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 09:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about creating a gallery of images as in Shimla, Jaisalmer etc.? Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there are too many images. Some of the b/w snaps can go. Gallery on the article should be  avoided. These could all go into a image gallery similar to Kerala image gallery. And a link provided to it. Ganeshk (talk) 18:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks a lot Ganeshk. The image problem now seems solved. We can create such an image gallery (Kolkata image gallery)   separately and put all Kolkata-related images there as a central repositiory! And then , take images from there to use in the Kolkata article considering the relevance of the images visavis the sections of the article. Thank you.--Dwaipayanc 08:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it solved yet. The article is still cluttered with too many images. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good now. - Ganeshk (talk) 01:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Can we remove Kolkata in the media? The section is not that necessary. With so many red links, it seems an eye-sore.One or two words in Media may suffice.--Dwaipayanc 09:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: check out the media section in Bangalore. I think its a good example of how to make a "media" section acceptable. Rama's Arrow 18:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kolkata in the media

message: Hi all - very good work by the collaborators. I have some suggestions to make: 
#"Tourism" section should not appear like a brochure.
#"Colonial Architecture" and "Modern Kolkata" need to be absorped into two sections: "Infrastructure" and "History." Such sections are usually not seen in city FAs. 
#"Education" - the listing of colleges is not the right pattern. You can create a fork - "Education in Kolkata."
Please create forks for "Geography" "Education" "Architecture." The images are great, and the balance can be achieved by distributing them into the forks. 
Check out Bangalore - a great example. Good luck, wonderful work! Rama's Arrow 18:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: If I may make a suggestion, the article appears to be overrun by images and while images are always great, they must not become the central focal point of the article. It might help significantly if we kept the images relevent and maximized on the quality of textual content. Also, Mordern Kolkota and Colonial Buildings can be merged into a civic administration (and city planning) segment. AreJay 04:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Can someone add a line or two about political scene on kolkata?  No POV just something about the fact that they have a ruling communist party for so and so years.  I dont know much about that topic.  It can probably go at end of the history section. (Blacksun 14:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I added such a line at the end of "history", with reference. Now I dont see it there! Anyway, I shall see to it. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 16:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be a separate chapter on KMC politics. --Soman 17:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! That was a good idea Soman. And who better than you to start such an article which would require great knowledge and resource of politics and history ? Please Soman, try to start such an article. It would be interesting to see people like Chittaranjan Das, Subhash Chandra Bose and Subrata Mukherjee, Bikash Bhattacharya coming into the same article! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: So we made a lot of changes in overall structure based on Canberra's (FA) city page.  Thanks to Dwaipayanc for pointing that one out.  I think even though this is a change from usual Indian city template, it works well with the needs of Kolkatta page as it has a strong focus on architecture and culture.  I was wondering what is people's take on media section.  Should it be kept as part of City culture or be kept as a separate section? If you think it should be separated, where would be the best spot for it?  (Blacksun 16:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Format

message: Actually, I moved media out now to follow the indian city format.  I am guessing even the current format might not be accepted as it is not according to the convention.  No reason to push it.(Blacksun 17:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: on second thought

message: Hi ! I readded the radar image and the slum image in the sections in "urban structure" and "demographics" respectively. The image count is 17 now, which, I think sounds optimal. Please comment. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 18:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats fine.  I really like the radar image in urban structure. I removed it because it did not seem to belong in its old spot.  Regarding the slum image, it is fine too as it shows all the sides of Kolkata.  And yes, I think images look optimal now.  Nice work!--Blacksun 20:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image-war again

message: This article has a rather boring first paragraph.  Do we really need to dedicate entire lines at start of the article on the name change?  Yes, I have gone through the talk archives related to the this topic.  However, I find it rather bogus.  Chennai should be used as a template here (simply say, "formerly known as" and it can be mentioned again in history.  Having the entire first paragraph about this is ridiculous.  Kolkata is mentioned as kolkata in most of world media except for ones connected to Britain.  An introduction is supposed to be summary of important items mentioned in rest of the article.  FOUR lines related to the name out of the first six lines is bit of an overkill.  Please advice.
:Support. The lead should be changed accorfingly.--Dwaipayanc 04:34, 21 March 2006 
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::This is done!--Blacksun 00:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead in problems