Talk:Clothing sizes

message: This is a problematic draft article. It gives the impression that there exists a single standard clothing size in each of the listed countries, and that a simple table is sufficient to convert between these sizes. It is not that easy.
There are lots of other things that need work on this article:
* it should use tables, not bullet lists
* it should provide a source for the quoted data
* it should not simply copy the list of external links from the EN 13402 article, which are mostly not relevant to this article
* the word "international" in the article title is redundant
* the use of title case in headings violates the Wikipedia Manual of Style.
I actually don't think that Wikipedia should aim to provide a simple conversion table, as they are all necessarily flawed. What would be helpful would be descriptions of how to convert between body dimensions and particular national sizes, but only with adequate references. Markus Kuhn 09:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does provide a a good general rule of thumb, but yeah... fixing up stuff needed by "somebody". Mathmo Talk 06:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems

message: I'm no expert here, but I do know that English size 8 is size 42 in continental Europe. This table can't be right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawebster (talk • contribs) 06:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Men's shoe sizes not correct 

message: I've noticed that a UK size 4 is a US size 2, yet on the size zero page it says that a UK size 4 is a US size 0. That doesn't seem right.. well, to me at least. Is it supposed to be that way or..?
A UK size 4 is actually more like a US size 00 in terms of measurements. The measurement for a UK size 4 are roughly 30-23-32, I cannot believe the US could have 1-2 sizes smaller than those measurements. Size 4 is the UK's smallest size, in fact it's very hard to find. You can find plenty of US size 0's and 2's, so a UK size 4 has to be more like a US size 00. It's just common sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dee26 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's clothing sizes 

message: There must be something wrong. On the German Wikipedia site it is mentioned that Italian sizes are 3 numbers higher than the German ones. Meaning a German 38 is an Italian 44.http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfektionsgr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe#Umrechnung_internationaler_Gr.C3.B6.C3.9Fen 
This is a German 38:	Bust 86-89 cm / Waist: 70-73 cm / Hip: 96-98 cmhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfektionsgr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe#Damen
With an average height of 164 to 170 cm.
And that would be 12 at the bust, 9 at the waist, 14 at the hips. Seems to me that these girls and sizes defer somewhat ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.158.158.155 (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Something wrong?

message: A couple of month's ago, it was on the news that all European sizes became one size bigger (ie. 36 became 34, 40 became 38 etc) so a European 34 is now a USA size 0.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.116.1.128 (talk) 08:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's clothing sizes 

message: So far I've only seen meseurments in numbers. However (most) stores operates with S, M, L, XL and so forth, even in Europe.
Is this kind of marking the same messurments in both Europe, UK and US? --84.202.208.245 (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Men size - Europe vs. UK/US 

message: Hi I added a link to www.knowmysize.net/advice/sizes.aspx which is an informational page comparing the sizes of UK high street stores showing where they differ from EN 13402.  It is not a sales or promotional page and performs a similar function to the other external links.  The difference being they are generalised US pages where as my link was to help UK buyers to understand the differences between the stores they do/can shop in.  Can this link be reinstated?  --KnowMYsize (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's clothing sizes - External link 

message: Men's clothing sizes were standardized by the US Army to permit purchasing contracts. More references would be needed to add this to the article.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Men's clothing sizes from the US Army

message: Does anyone really believe these are legitimate sizes for women's clothing?  A quick google didn't show anything to suggest they exist, never mind in widespread use.  They strike me as vandalism which has slipped under the radar. 84.198.212.164 (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Norris' and 'Renker' Scale

message: Need to add.--188.238.232.193 (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Children's Sizes Missing

message: Examples: what does 29 x 30 on a pair of mens' jeans in the United States represent? On women's pants in the US, what does a 2 represent? In Europe, what does 40 represent for women's pants sizes? Etc.
It would be helpful to have information from these two videos in this page, because they answer some of these questions.
Video 1
Video 2
Should cover:
* Vanity sizing
* Origin of sizing
* Differing sizes by manufacturer and why
* Sizing bias towards poor white women (see video 1)
Alexgleason (talk) 04:09, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Didn't answer the basic questions I had about clothing sizes 

message: By looking at this article, it won't fit for Jeans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.38.105.161 (talk) 02:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ل 37.238.60.21 (talk) 08:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we have the topic of Jean size? 

message: The inside leg measurements in the German/Scandinavian sizes table for women's clothing are obviously wrong. I don't know where this data came from, but it needs correcting - or at the very least removing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaneVannin (talk • contribs) 17:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inside leg measurements in women's "German" sizes incorrect