Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 10

message: Am I right in assuming that the vast majority of categories have the format "English cricketers" as opposed to "Cricketers from England"? --Mal 20:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at Special:Categories: there appears to be as much of each. -- Francs2000  12:59, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions: country ajective foo'ers vs foo'ers from country name 

message: I've put some suggestions on Talk:Lancashire regarding changes to the various lists of places in Lancashire (mainly regarding the fact they are lists of places in all sorts of incarnations of Lancashire, never mind Greater Manchester, Cheshire, West Yorkshire....).
All comments and suggestions warmly welcomed - I don't want to make major revisions before I have an idea of other editor's feelings on this. I look forward to hearing from you, Aquilina 19:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lancashire lists

message: can be debated now at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion.  regards, Mayumashu 08:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do bear in mind the question I posed a couple of sections above this: "Fooian Fooers". --Mal 22:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: the (re)naming of [[:Category:Northern Ireland people]]

message: If a UK article has coordinates then they mostly have OS coordinates (and a few have post codes) rather then latitute and longitude. Does anybody know if this was a deliberate decision in the past or something that has grown up? It seems to me that there is a risk UK articles will be missed from any mapping system that gets setup because they use a non-global system. An example at the moment is the Wikipedia placemarks download for Google Earth which misses out most UK articles. Should we be looking to add this information to articles? --MarkS 19:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect it's because virtually every dataset supplied in the UK is supplied in OS National grid rather than Long./Lat, it's also a lot more "useful" for a country this size as it's possible for instance do point to point distance just using pythagoras, I would suggest that any mapping system that does get setup that dosn't allow for different mapping projections probably needs to be rethought.--ElvisThePrince 23:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could we have an automatic conversion system? Justinc 07:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The page that  links to gives latitude & longitude from an OS grid reference. -- AJR | Talk 11:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  There seem to be two ways the location information can be used. The first is when somebody clicks on the location and it takes them to something relevant;  does this really well. Conversions in this case are limited and can be done on the fly. The second use is building an alternative index to wikipedia (eg. the google earth placemarks download); in this case every article has to be scanned and coordinates converted to a single system. I can imagine conversion being a really heavy numbercruching job that would be avoided if possible. I agree with ElvisThePrince that mapping systems that miss out the UK mapping system should be thought about long and hard. However, there seem to be lots of country specific systems (eg. Irish national grid reference system and United_States_National_Grid), if I was setting something up then I would probably avoid country specific systems (there are 200+ countries so there could be massive amounts of conversion). I find it difficult to imagine that somebody in the US (and I guess most Wikipedians are in the US) would spend ages sorting out various systems for small overseas countries. I just feel we should try to avoid post codes for locations (which are used in lots of railway stations) and maybe put latitude/longitude alongside the UK coordinates). --MarkS 19:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There shouldn't be massive amounts of (manual) conversion, most projections systems are all defined in standard ways, and information on their parameters is easily availabe virtually any GIS system worth it's salt should be able to convert between them, for instance the (semi) random one installed on this PC has over 2000 but they are all defined in the same way.--ElvisThePrince 22:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OS Coordinates v Latitude and Longitude 

message: Hi all, since we now have probably more than a thousand articles relating to the railways of the UK I've decided to start a Wikiproject to try and co-ordinate them a bit better. It's located at Wikiproject UK Railways t'is very basic at the moment and has only one member! But hopefully with people's help it'll be able to organise and make the articles on British railways both clearer and better structured and ultimately the most informative of any country in the world. If you know anything about railways in the UK or would just like to help out please head over and join and we'll be able to get a decent community going. ta-ta, --Achmelvic 10:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Railways Wikiproject 

message: I'm contemplating a longish journey to Birmingham, to visit the Thinktank Museum to photograph the Railton Special Land Speed Record car.  I would be very happy if someone could do this on my/our behalf. PeterGrecian 15:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Image of [[Railton Special]] 

message: Users' comments requested on talk:Yvonne Fletcher, regarding the inclusion/exclusion of a link to http://www.vialls.com/zionist/yvonnefletcher.html Jooler 08:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Yvonne Fletcher]]

message: Hello,
I am very new to Wikipedia but have been expanding Town and country planning in the United Kingdom over the last few weeks and created a new subcategory of UK law called :Category:United Kingdom planning law.
I have reached a point where some experience would be very useful. How do I get some more people involved? Could someone with experience have a look at what I've written and advise on what articles we might be able to merge and what should stay separated for future expansion etc.etc. Many thanks--Mcginnly 12:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help wanted with Town and Country planning in the United Kingdom

message: I've proposed the removal of the NI noticeboard, comments are welcome at Wikipedia talk:Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board#Questioning the validity of this NB. Blackcap (talk) 08:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:NIWNB]] 

message: I've made a proposal at Wikipedia:UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW. Comment required there. Computerjoe's talk 20:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW]] 

message: American users keep putting "period" instead of "full-stop" in this article and it's becomming rather tiresome. Jooler 16:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, what a crazy situation! — Estarriol talk 22:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now added my thoughts on the matter in Talk:London Underground.  Please let's try to remain as constructive and calm as possible about this.  Cheers — Estarriol talk 22:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[London Underground]]

message: According to this - List_of_largest_empires - article the Mongol Empire was the largest empire in history. I have never seen any ranking which does not have the British as the largest and the Mongols as the second largest (albeit largest contiguous empire). Is this article correct or suffering from inaccuracy or perhaps POV? siarach 21:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oddly the online source given has the British Empire as the biggest. There is another source so my guess is that it is using one for the Mongols and one for the British. A very nice comparison of apples and pears. josh (talk) 21:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Someone keeps changing the figures around. Jooler 02:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: British Empire apparently only the 2nd largest in history

message: I've just nominated Cornish Holocaust for deletion as suspiciously POVy and ORish. There doesn't seem to be an active Cornish project (though perhaps I've missed it), so if anyone here has knowledge of the field please leave a comment. Shimgray | talk | 20:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Portal talk:Cornwall -- Francs2000  00:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornish Holocaust? 

message: Hi all, I have started to expand the PCI articles on Wikipedia. For more information see here if you think you could help, thanks.  theKeith  Talk to me  12:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presbyterian Church in Ireland 

message: Hello everybody.  Someone has left a note on Talk:Hertford about its pronunciation.  They're talking about how to write it in the IPA, which is a type of beer to me.  If there's someone out there who knows about these things, could they possibly have a look.  Thanks RicDod 19:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Pronunciation 

message: Hey all. This would be my first on this NB.
I'm going to begin getting some info on the RYA and do some substantial updating to its page, as it's hugely lacking for such a large organisation. I myself am a keen boatsman, with my RYA level 2 in sailing and a level 2 in powerboating (working towards safetyboat, aiming for advanced) I'm also a VI voluntery instructor at my local, so to speak (Despite it being 18 miles away) Just bringing some awareness to this wiki-in-need, and perhaps some other keen seadogs could chip in. --Dom0803 22:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Yachting Association 

message: I've adapted a graphic template devised by our Croatian friends to create what will hopefully be an improved method of providing locator maps for UK places. It's no longer necessary to create a separate locator map for each location. Instead, all you need to do is to specify a set of coordinates for the location in question and add them to the following template:
:
Here's a practical example. London is at coordinates 51.5086, -0.1264. We want a small 150px wide locator map without a caption, and with the city's name left-aligned to avoid it sticking out of the side of the map. The map on the right is produced using this code:
: 
See Template:Location map for more information and further instructions on syntax.
To obtain the coordinates for any given place, all you need to do is look it up on Multimap and look for the coordinates in the "Map Information" box; you will need the digital coordinates (the numbers with four decimal points), not the analogue ones (the traditional degrees, minutes and seconds). -- ChrisO 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, awesome.  Well done, much better than the old pink maps! Waggers 19:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've now done something very similar for London - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London#Improved location mapping for London. -- ChrisO 23:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you could hack something together for Edinburgh, this'd be great. I've been wondering for ages how best to illustrate the (small and idiosyncratically named) areas there... Shimgray | talk | 23:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this, you mean? -- ChrisO 23:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou! Now to find the time to get it added... Shimgray | talk | 23:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I want to make one for Northern Ireland, where do I find the orthographic view map that you used to get the UK one? (I wish to create this one btw in the interest of education, not request it) --Dom0803 11:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Actually, nevermind. I took a look at the relevent pages and managed to figure it out for myself, and voila. --Dom0803 11:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improved locator maps for UK places 

message: Vipaflex-C is supposedly a material that body armour is made from, and is supposedly bullet and stab resistant ... the only problem is I can't find any reference to Vipaflex-C anywhere.
Can anyone help? Deniwikmen 23:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vipaflex-C body armour

message: People here might want to have a look at talk:Upper class. There seems to be something of culture clash about this term. Jooler 14:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Upper class]]

message: User:SPUI is attempting to merge motorway and freeway, as well as concepts like Autobahn and autoroute. See Talk:Freeway and Talk:Motorway. zoney  ♣ talk 12:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorway 

message: A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. SilkTork 17:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Moved from Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW) -- Francs2000  22:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer & brewery notability criteria discusion document 

message: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sta 

message: To those who are not already aware of it: The online version Oxford Dictionary of National Biography requires a subscription, but many local authorities have a subscription for it for their local libraries and this subscription can be used by anyone in possesion of a library card, from the comfort of your own home. I have a library card for East Sussex libraries and as well as the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography it also gives me access to the
*The Times Digital Archive
*Britannica Junior – ages 5 to 11 
*Britannica Student – ages 12 to 18 
*Encyclopedia Britannica – adults 
*Grove Music Online 
*Grove Art Online 
*Kompass 
*NewsBank 
*Oxford English Dictionary Online 
*Oxford Reference Online 
::Which all prove very useful for researching articles. I have noticed that some articles like Elizabeth Hamilton, Countess of Orkney cite the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Should we perhaps put some tag on these references so that we can make readers aware that they might be able to access the site without actually taking out a personal subscription?Jooler 22:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A good idea. Could also do with a standard style for referencing ODNB - see eg Roald Dahl for a different way of noting it. --mervyn 08:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A list of local authority subscriptions can be seenhere. Perhaps we should put this info on a page called Wikipedia:Oxford Dictionary of National Biography subscription or something, maybe someone could knock up something similar to the ISBN links for booksellers. Jooler 08:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: A list of local authorities and library availability of other Oxford University Press products  (Like the OED) is available here Jooler 08:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

message: Lord Chancellor is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.  The article needs some help with inline citations and references.  Sandy 00:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lord Chancellor