Talk:Bela Lugosi

message: "There he rose to the rank of captain in the ski patrol and was awarded a medal equivalent to the Purple Heart for being wounded at the Russian front."
Why cant the name of the medal be named? Why does it need to be compared with an American military medal? It would be much more logical to write 'He received xxxxx medal for being wounded in action'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.180.219 (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: medal

message: The second paragraph of the "Typecasting" section is a mess. It seems to simultaneously suggest that he was both interested and not interested in the role of Frankenstein's monster. It dismisses the legend that he turned it down, then claims that "despite not being interested" he was replaced. Which is it? Was he not interested or was he replaced? If the truth is some mixture of each (i.e. he was interested in appearing in the film but not playing that particular part or that he thought badly of the role but was willing to play it anyway) then the paragraph needs to be more clear about how. It then ends by contradicting itself with evidence that he was in fact happy with the role of the monster. I've a mind to delete the whole section.  
For reference purposes re Lugosi's claims he was fleeing the Nazis in a 1940s interview:
:sjc I might be wrong about the fact that Bela Lugosi left AS the Naxis were invading, but I know he did fear the Nazi presence in Europe.  He spoke of this in an interview he gave in the 1940s. He mentioned this as one of the reasons he wanted to leave Europe, before things got worse.  My husband owns all of his movies and is so into Bela it is scary! (Scarier than Bela's movies I'm afraid, LOL!)  I will check my facts again since it has been a while since I viewed the interview.  (Yes, we own this too!) Luckymama
::I read this interview too. I always discounted the "scared of the Nazis" premise on a number of grounds, mainly that he was a bit of a careerist. I would take 99% of what Lugosi says with more than an ample pinch of salt.  He had settled and appeared in his first American film in 1923, long before even the first Munich putsch. user:sjc
:Truth.  Bela was a actor through and through and very much the showman.  I will conceed this one.  I always wondered about this statement because the dates didn't make much sense.  I know that some in the European intellectual community (ie: scientists, university personel, the artistic communities) seemed to get wind of what was happening in Germany with the Nazi movement long before they posed a real threat to the whole of Europe, and left.  I guess I just took Bela's statements on the subject as one of those who saw it coming and fled before it really started.  You are probably correct in your assessment of Bela's bravado, though.  He did do these interviews during WWII so I can see him wanting to enhance his stature by claiming he saw it coming too.Luckymama
A little historical perspective might be helpful here. First, bear in mind that the fascist takeover in Italy took place in the early twenties and during WWII there was no real distinction drawn between Nazism and Fascism generally. Second, Bela had to flee Hungary following the collapse of the Hungarian Soviet under Bela Kun because his union activities typed him as a leftist in the politics of that time. Third, left wing political thought at the time lumped all counter revolutionary political and military movements together with Fascism as part of a general reactionary upsurge.
Assuming that Bela's political outlook hadn't fundamentally changed, it's entirely likely that he saw no distinction to be made between the Nazis, Fascists and the political forces that proscribed him in Hungary. Bela's remarks might be better understood as saying that the forces that drove him from Hungary were socially and politically identical to those in power in Nazi Germany. This interpretation is buttressed by the fact that the Hungarian regime was the ally of Nazi Germany during WWII. WB Reeves  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.229.177 (talk) 17:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: comments

message: Category:Romanian actors? 
: I corrected it.
Well, if Austria-Hungary makes someone Romanian then probably the Dalai Lama is Romanian as well. :) 
I mean, um, he was Hungarian when he was born and while he was alive. I don't think someone changes nationality because the birthplace got annected to another country.
:::Annected!!  What a great new word.  Thanks.  JackofOz 12:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He means 'annexed', of course. CFLeon 21:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually his family name was "Blasko". (derived from Slavic Vlasko=Vlach)  :-)  Bogdan | Talk 14:02, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I had a similar problem with an an article on an economist (I forget who now). He was described as an "Austrian economist" although he was a Jew born in what's now Lithuania and who moved to the United States as an adolescent—presumably because the area was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire when he was born (or maybe it was just that somebody figured he was an economist from Europe, therefore he must be Austrian). —Chowbok ☠ 23:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it possible that he was an Austrian School economist? --Orange Mike  |  Talk 19:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially as Lithuania was never part of the Austro-hungarian empire...122.61.157.138 (talk) 09:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian actor? 

message: This doesn't sound right: The "double" can easily be spotted by the fact that he looks nothing like Lugosi and covers his face with his cape in every shot.  
If the actor's face was covered in every scene, how can we tell whether it's Lugosi or not?  was it his shape or height that gave the game away?  JackofOz 12:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's about twice as tall as Lugosi. Really, you can tell. The Singing Badger 15:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lugosi was tall himself, over 6 feet. He was typically the tallest player in any scene. — Walloon 16:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So ... the double was about 12 feet tall?  JackofOz 09:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The double's movements ("body language") and his hair, brow and eyes are different from the footage of Lugosi included in the film. Naaman Brown (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Face not visible

message: Didn't Bela do a cameo in the Wolfman, as the original cursed creature who Bites the main character. (The name slips my mind.) I believe he was the husband of the gypsy woman. That's not in here, and I know he's in it cuz i work at a video store and the cover of the dvd says "WITH BELA LUGOSI!"
:Correct, although he's called her son (more appropriate with the apparent ages). The character is named 'Bela' in the credits. CFLeon 21:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the birth dates here are correct, Lugosi was just six years younger than his screen mother (Maria Ouspenskaya)! WHPratt (talk) 18:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolfman 

message: While watching an episode of Sledge Hammer, I discovered that one of the episodes was made about an ageing actor who resented being typecase as a vampire.  At the end, there was a title card that said "In the memory of Mr. Blaskó".  Mushrom 01:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honors

message: I've tagged that sentence as "dubious", mainly because I just read this paragraph in our own article about the 1931 film of Dracula: The eerie speech pattern of Lugosi's "Dracula" was said to have resulted from the fact that Lugosi did not speak English, and therefore had to learn and speak his lines phonetically. This is a bit of an urban legend. While it is true that Lugosi did not speak English at the time of his first English-language play in 1919, and he had learned his lines to that play in this manner. By the time of his filming this role, Lugosi spoke English as well as he ever would. Something needs to be cleared up here, either he spoke English or he didn't...K. Lásztocska 16:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couldn't speak English? 

message: Apparently there were 8 movies to star both Messrs Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff. This was mentioned in the The Black Cat (1934 film) article. Can someone list these 8 movies, if they are indeed 8? --h_a 23:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that you're correct -- the dream sequence I remembered was in House of Dracula a few years later. WHPratt (talk) 12:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the 8 movies to pair Karloff & Lugosi" 

message: I think I wanna know what happened to all the actors in B rated films.(TougHHead 19:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is he? 

message: In the section of his typecasting, there is a sentence that discusses an "erroneous" belief that he turned down appearing in Frankenstein. Yet in the following paragraphs, it presents several possibilities of why he decided not to do the movie. Regardless of reason, he still declined the movie. This section is unclear and I don't know enough about it to change it, but I really think it would help its clarity. Tithonfury (talk) 02:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typecasting 

message: Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers]] priority assessment

message: I noticed this was previously in the article but was removed (June 2009)
In 1979, Lugosi became the subject of a song by gothic rock band Bauhaus titled "Bela Lugosi's Dead". In 2006, French bossa nova band Nouvelle Vague released their version on their second album Bande à Part. Voltaire has produced a song called "Vampire Club" which mentions "Béla Lugosi's still undead". The German musician Bela B. was inspired by Bela Lugosi to his pseudonym.
And we don't currently have any mention of these. In particular I'm familiar with Bela Lugosi's Dead which is significant to the goth subculture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_rock
http://www.gothicsubculture.com/origin.php
http://a44paco.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/hide-the-children-marilyn-manson-is-back/
--75.159.246.68 (talk) 16:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bela Lugosi's dead 

message: Lugosi was approached in the summer of 1891 to star in a Broadway production of Dracula adapted by Hamilton Deane and John L. Balderston from Bram Stoker's novel. 
Lugosi would have been about 9 years old in 1891... can anyone find the correct date for this event?--Sobekneferu (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dracula_(play) has a date of 1927 with a citation, so I added it here. --Jamoche (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date mess 

message: The article says that "Lugosi Béla" is his native name and "Béla Lugosi" is just the Western name order (and no doubt about it, the name he was known as). Yet, it goes on to say that "Béla Lugosi" is just a stage name and he was born "Béla Ferenc Dezső Blaskó." So, was he born as "Blaskó Béla Ferenc Dezső" or is his surname actually "Béla" and did he ever go by "Lugosi Béla" in his native Austria-Hungary (it says he went by "Arisztid Olt" in some order at one point)? The whole "native name" for a stage name doesn't seem to add up and should be clarified in the article.--Tim Thomason 19:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The surnames he used were Blaskó, Olt and Lugosi.  Béla is a common given name in Hungary.  English name order is given name + middle name(s) + surname.  Hungarian name order is surname + given name + "other name(s)" (it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to call them "middle names" there, because they come at the end, but they're the same as what we'd call "middle names").  So, Ferenc and Dezső were his middle names.  In Hungarian, his birth name is given as "Blaskó Béla Ferenc Dezső"; in English it's "Béla Ferenc Dezső Blaskó".  His first stage name was "Olt Arisztid" in Hungarian name order; "Arisztid Olt" in English name order.  His best known stage name is "Lugosi Béla" in Hungarian name order, "Béla Lugosi" in English name order.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  20:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal name / Romanian name / Western name order

message: Hi all, please participate in the deletion discuss for the infobox image here.  I would love if anyone can come up with reliable sourcing for where this image came from, such that its copyright status is verifiable. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image deletion discussion 

message: I love the caption for the Invisible Ghost photo, citing that Lugosi is in the center. EnjoyForward (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Invisible Ghost'' photo

message: Wife #2 only gets mentioned in the infobox.  Why isn't she in the Personal life section?  Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ilona von Montagh 

message: I've read in other web accounts that Lugosi helped start the Screen Actors' Guild, just as he did similarly when he worked in Europe. If this is true, it may help to explain why Lugosi didn't get many roles at the bigger studios. When the knowledge of Nazi atrocities became known, his typecasting as a horror actor should have helped him gain roles as Nazi commanders in the war movies that were made after 1945. If anything, his natural Hungarian accent could only help him. I've also read that his drug use was another detriment but his role in the formation of the guild may not have endeared him to Hollywood executives. MARK VENTURE (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Lugosi and The Screen Actors' Guild

message: This article has way too much wrong info to correct it all. You guys don't bother with facts check? Fingers broken, can't Google? Here's one: "The cape Lugosi wore in Dracula (1931) survives today in the ownership of Universal Studios." Wrong! A quick Google search shows you that it's in possession of his son, Bela Jr, & family. In 2011, he tried to auction it off for over a million dollars. It didn't sell. Plenty of images & documentation online prove this. Why so little care for this article? The notorious reputation of Wiki for wrong info is proudly displayed at this page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.113.107 (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: The Dracula Cape & wrong info galore

message: My understanding is that Bela Lugosi was the Minister of Culture of the Republic of Workers Councils in Budapest in 1919.  
On a visit to Budapest I was informed that he was also on the extreme left wing of the Hungarian Communist Party of those days, and that the Hungarian regime was considerably to the left of the Bolsheviks.  
Some kind of elaboration of this might be useful.
Charlie Lomax (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Bela Lugosi: Minister of Culture of the Hungarian Soviet Republic of 1919

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