Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transformers/Archive 1

message: Might as well kick this off while I'm here. Regarding the suggested merging of these two articles, I say thee nay. "Series" desparately needs to be cleaned up, and I've been meaning to do it for absolutely ages, but what that page should serve as is a master list of the assorted Transformers television series (some of which have their own articles to be linked off to). So in actuality, it should probably be renamed "List of Transformers TV series," or something like that). It's the same principle as "Transformers (comic)", which serves as a list of the assorted Transformers comics published - I don't see anyone suggesting that should be merged. "Transformers Universes" is a totally different thing from both of those pages, dealing in cartoon, comic and toy that lists how all those things are either separate, or how they inter-relate and form different fictional universes. - Chris McFeely 13:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series & Universes 

message: : Not that there isn't enough already on Wikipedia, but this site, which specializes in SciFi stuff, has a good bit of info on Transformers and may be of use during the researching to add info and update TransPages.
: VigilancePrime 08:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources of information 

message: * Anyone else think we need to swap out one of the logo images on the template? I like these ones, but the Autobot one is 3-dimensional (note top line is beveled) while the 'Con logo is 2-D (notice all edges are flat). I don't know how hard or easy that is to change, but I am SURE that I have a set (many different sets, probably) of matching logos if someone else wants to swap them out for uniformity (on the off chance nobody else has a matching set, which I'm sure is not the case).
* Anyway, it's a thought. I have those a lot this late at night... oh wait... morning...!
** side note, I inverted this page cause in the long run, putting the newest questions at the top makes the pages generally easier to read (no scrolling a mile to get to the last post).
** BTW, DB, I got your message. I agree, but would hate to see a revert war over the format... yes, it CAN happen!
* VigilancePrime 08:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images on template 

message: This really need to be done.--D-Boy 05:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I heavily expanded the Ratchet and Bumblebee pages awhile back and since then others have helped those two along a ton. 'Preciate the help. VigilancePrime 06:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Started project 

message: Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, we can't use fair use images outside of articles, which excludes userboxes and Project templates.  However, I noticed :Image:Autobot-glow.jpg is a fan made image, and you might be able to use that.  However, even that is unlikely, as WikiProject Anime and manga just went through a similar thing since we had been using a fan image as our "mascot".  I know it seems strict, but that's apart of being a WikiProject too.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. -- Ned Scott 06:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That hurt, dude.....deep. -_---D-Boy 06:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images in user boxes and WikiProject templates 

message: I noticed a lot of spoiler tags on transformers articles, but these are very vague. Like a spoilers tag at the top of the Optimus Prime page. I don't know if someone is afraid to let someone else know Prime dies in the movie, but I don't think this is appopriate - spoiler tag at the top of a page about the WHOLE article does nothing, since you don't even know what the spoiler is. I could maybe understand a big plot point being marked as a small part of an article. What are your opinions? user:mathewignash
I agree with you. It should be like articles on comic book characters where the spoilers tag only applies to the most recent events (like the Civil War stuff with Spider-Man). Having a spoiler tag on the whole article is just stupid. --SMegatron 22:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. It is recommended that editors avoid placing spoilers in section headers (unless the spoiler warning is before the table of contents) and avoid linking from another article to a section inside the spoiler area. --Siva1979Talk to me 12:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers tags

message: Template:Trans
Transformers
Transformers series	Transformers: Generation 2  Transformers: Armada | Beast Wars
Characters         	List of Decepticons
Films              	Transformers (2007 film)
Other              	Transformers (toyline)
Video games        	Transformers: Convoy no Nazo
improve if u want but keep it small and simple.  We don't need it bloated and ugly.--D-Boy 06:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  made a template to put on pages 

message: I noticed that Madchester is deleting Transformers wikipedia pages again. He removed the Ransack (Transformers) page now. I have no idea why. Can anything be done about this? User:mathewignash
Did he consult anyone? If he didn't then something needs to be done, like reporting him to the admins. I mean if we all voted for it then fair enough, but as we didn't...--SMegatron 19:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted Transformers pages by Madchester

message: I wanted to suggest that a few items could be added to the infobox. How about "I.D. Number" where you can list the Takara code number for a toy. Like C-1, C2 etc. ALso, a line for Cyber-Code for the Cybertron toys with codes. Also, some characters have multiple mottos, and it's hard to list them with the auto-quoting. Any recommdations? User:mathewignash
:How about getting article format down first?  Personally, I think the infobox is big enough.--D-Boy 04:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox additions

message: A while back I added a lot of comic book history for comics UT Optimus Prime, and it was written in the past tense with a note on each paragraph as to what issue each thing happened in, but then someone rewrote it in the present tense, and removed the references to which issue of the comics. So this is really two questions - should character histories be written in past or present tense, and should (and if so HOW) we mention the issue episode something happened in? There was been a lot of screaming and yelling for referenes and sources, so I can't understand why anyone would be going around REMOVING mentions of episode names and issues numbers from the character histories. user:mathewignash
:I'm all about the past tense, myself. Always write stuff that way. I don't generally include issue references, though - while I understand the importance of referencing your what-not, my Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe upbringing makes me detest imbedded references that disrupt the flow of the prose and break the fourth wall of the summary. - Chris McFeely 11:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Present tense is guideline at Wikipedia. You can say stuff like "Optimus Prime was Orion Pax" because that's set in the past as you watch the series. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 21:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Past or present tense and issue/episode numbers of character histories

message: They don't even have pictures....--D-Boy 07:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They WERE all different and WITH images until the WikiGestapo started deleting them all... VigilancePrime 01:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What did you expect?  Those images are trademarks.  You can only use the images in the articles that describe them.--D-Boy 20:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't expect anything. There are many other userboxes with images of various types (including corporate logos - at least one I know of and use, even if it a non-profit). I just find it odd that some users (and not all those who "adjust userboxes) have NOTHING in their contributions except reverts and removals. That's all. VigilancePrime 05:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need so many userboxes? 

message: Hey guys and gals, lots of talk going on here.  I don't really have anything constructive to say, but I just wanted to show my support for the project.  I've got to transform and roll out to basketball... Dawhitfield 22:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  support 

message: As part of the new infobox project it has been proposed that new pages be made for different series. This could potentially make the comic masterlist smaller and simpler with the bulk of the info added to individual series pages. I suggest we agree on the pages that should exist from the list below:
:Marvel
:Generation 1 (US)
:Generation 1 (UK)
:TF: The Movie
:TF: Universe
:G.I. Joe and the TFs
:TF: Headmasters
:Generation 2
:Dreamwave
:Generation 1 + G1 MTMTE
:Armada/Energon + Armada MTMTE
:G.I. Joe + TFs
:War Within
:Summer Special
:Micromasters
:IDW
:Beast Wars
:Evolutions
:'-Ation' Series (Needs name other than IDWTFU)(To include Stormbringer, Spotlights, etc)
:Botcon
:Wreckers
:Universe
:That's the inital plan but it's changeable.
:Daniel Guardian 13:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comic Title Pages

message: In Dead-End (and other pages) there are links to galleries & reviews of the toys at the top of that toy section.  Is that preferred over having an external links section?
Icefox 21:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: In relation to the above discussion regarding 'Comic Title Pages' I brought a suggestion to the IDW Publishing forum that a name be given to the IDW TFU. The consensus seemed to be that 'Ultimate Transformers' been the name given to the universe because of the Marvel series. Seeing as we're trying not to have a page for every miniseries I suggest we take some initiative and make 'Ultimate Transformers' the page for Infiltration, Stormbringer, Spotlights, etc. Any problems?
Daniel Guardian 08:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a fan term, even if you have a large (and I mean LARGE) backing, it should not be used. Also, please sign your comments.--Orion Minor 15:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Hookay. Well, I'm going to assume you were joking about that Republican jab, as personal attacks (be they focused on political ideologies or otherwise) are not allowed on Wikipedia. Moving on, Generation 1 was a fan term that was derived from the Generation 2 line and Generation 1 can be found in official statements now. The most accurate term should be used until an official title or one that has been adopted by a large, notable group of fans. For now, I suggest calling it the IDW Universe.--Orion Minor 16:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Adding my agreement to SMegatron Orion Minor. While some fan terms have made it into widespread use - and Generation 1 was one that most people came up with independantly in the first place, before the internet community, which is why it became so widespread - even though you recieved a lot of agreement to using "Ultimate Transformers," this one is NOT a universal term used across the fandom, and to be honest, I doubt it ever will. It's just pinched from Marvel, and less people are going to know it than people who do. No other versions of the continuity have "names" - just as it was simply the "animated series," or the "Marvel comics universe," or the "DW universe" this one should just be the "IDW universe." - Chris McFeely 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ultimate Transformers

message: I know MistaTee wanted to link the toylines on the template so could someone please makes page toyline pages for these series. I would but I don't know all that much about them and can't be bothered. Daniel Guardian 09:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unicron Trilogy Toyline

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. EVula 01:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Trans }} 

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replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 23:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: May God Bless You Always!
My name is Stephen P. Gentry and I have just joined this WikiProject. I use to love the Transformers when I was a kid and I still enjoy them.  I have a few old episodes on tape that I watch from time to time.  I am excited about the re-release of the Transformers the Movie and am looking forward to working with this project.
	Upon reflecting on my childhood, I realized that my television watching and toys were largely made up of Transformers, G. I. Joes, and Legos.  I had other toys of course, but none of them were in the same quantity Transformers, G. I. Joes, and Legos.  This leads me to an idea.  The only 1980s cartoon and toy equal to the Transformers in coolness and popularity was G. I. Joe.  
	Ironically, G. I. Joe and Transformers has a lot more in common then most people realize.  Both television shows and movies were produced jointly with Hasbro and Marvel.  The Transformers and G. I. Joe toys were all produced and distributed by Hasbro.  The comics were produced by Marvel and similarities to not end here because many of the voice actors were the same.
The best example is that of Christopher Charles Collins who provided the voice for Transformers’ Starscream and G. I. Joe’s Cobra Commander.  Collins was also the voice for Wheeljack, and Sparkplug Witwicky for Transformers and Gung Ho for G. I. Joe.  Then there is Michael Patrick Bell who provided the voice for Transformers’ Prowl, Swoop, among others and provided the voice for G. I. Joe’s Duke.  Frank Welker provided several voices for Transformers and G. I. Joe.  Welker’s voices included Megatron, Galvatron, and Soundwave in Transformers and Junkyard, Torch, and Wild Bill in G. I. Joe.
G. I. Joe and Transformers are, in my opinion, the two greatest animated series of all time.  Since these to great series have so much in common I propose that WikiProject Transformers be expanded to WikiProject Transformers and G. I. Joe.  Any WikiProject is monitoring not one of the G. I. Joe.  I think that this is a shame and that this group is appropriate for filling that role.
Yours in Christ, 
(Steve 15:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Transformers Wikiproject has enough material to deal with. I'd suggest forming a seperate, Wikiproject: G.I. Joe and anyone who wants to do both can be part of both groups.--Orion Minor 18:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed for two reasons: 1. BOTH deserve their own WikiProject. 2. With all the WikiCops there have been around lately, I'm SURE that a flame war would erupt if someone tried to make one project based on two continuities, especially when the basis is, as they would frame it, "cause one user really liked both sets of toys." Right, wrong or indifferent, it's true that it would happen. Personally, I was never that into GI Joe other than the Marvel comic crossovers into Transformers. (I loved Lego!) I think they both deserve their own WikiProject. Awesome intentions, but I think there's a better way to go about it. VigilancePrime 23:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Proposal 

message: Okay, don't make pages like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cybertron_Defense_Team
This is up for deletion, nominated by myself. Not all subgroups deserve their own page, especially one as minor as this. --Orion Minor 03:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Pages 

message: ===Vote===
#Support Wiki-newbie 16:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move [[Transformers universes]] to ''Transformers (characters)'' 

message: #Support Wiki-newbie 16:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote

message: *The article has come a long way, and has become the main page for the WikiProject and all Transformers related articles. But I feel Transformers (characters) would be far more encaspulating a name to describe the whole shebang. Wiki-newbie 16:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I noticed someone tagged the images from the Landfill (Transformers) page. I'm not familiar with this tag, what is it all about? user:mathewignash
The fact of the matter is that the toys are there, their existence is not copyrighted like a film frame or album cover. It's the same issue with people and buildings. It isn't really fair use. WikiNew 15:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Replaceable fair use images?

message: I noticed this user (The Matrix Prime) is running around changing "Transformers: Generation 1" to "Transformers: The Original Series". What is this Star Trek? Anyone else have an opinion on this? I didn't want to get into a reversion war with him, but he keeps changing it back. user:mathewignash
*If I could throw in my two cents here after seeing the main bones of contention I think both of you have a point. I agree with Matrix Prime about the Transmetals issue. The Transmetal term is more a Beast Wars term than a G1 term and only really came into use with the Dreamwave profile comics. The fact that its extremely rare for the term to be used outside Beast Wars in TF merchandising, and that most fans disregard it in regards to G1, always indicated to me that only the Beast Wars Transmetals - the ones created by the quantum surge and the TM2 experiments - are true Transmetals. That said, I agree with Mathewignash about the original series bit. Original series is only a good heading so long as the section only covers stuff from the original animated series. Problem is, most of the G1 sections nowadays also cover other stuff like the Marvel, Dreamwave, Devil's Due and IDW comics, the various generations of toys and Japanese stuff like Kiss Players. Original series really isn't applicable to the entire section so I think we stick with the Generation One heading. Regards.SMegatron 11:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing things

message: Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 14:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please also note Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 20 for a review of the decision regarding :Category:Actors by series. Tim! 08:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD notice