Talk:50 home run club

message: Mays hit 50 plus in both 1955 and 1965. This is the MLB record for the most seasons between 50 plus home run seasons for any player. This is kind of a pet stat of mine, a stat that is real, but that I made up myself, having never saw any reference to such a stat before. I double checked it here and indeed, that 10 year stretch is the longest. Ruth didn't do it. Aaron didn't do it. Bonds didn't do it. Sosa didn't do it.Neanderthalprimadonna (talk) 19:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Willie Mays

message: I have removed references to "the Steroid Era" because there is no citation and including it seems to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. It sounds like the intention is to say "Steroids are to blame for the increase in home runs"; however, Wikipedia is not in a position to draw conclusions like that. The increase in HRs is certainly notable; how that came about is not verifiable and does not belong here. --SuperNova |T|C| 00:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to disagree... to have absolutely no mention of steroids in this article is to ignore the entire picture. Correct me if i'm wrong, but this sounds like a fairly unbiased statement that doesn't draw conclusions (which I will add) "It is suggested that this increase in home runs is a result of widespread use of steroids in then 1990s known as the steroid era. While the numbers might suggest that this is the case, none of the sluggers on this list have been proven to take steroids or other banned substances." Cms479 18:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cms: See avoid weasel words. "It is suggested" is not indicative of a verifiable statement. If you think this needs to be included, find a reliable source to that effect and say something like, "Noted baseball reasearch Joe Blow, among others, has alleged that..." and then cite it. Enough people have made the claim that we shouldn't fall back on weasel words, assuming this discussion is even relevant to this topic at all. --SuperNova |T|C| 20:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is seven years late, but to remove mentions of the steroid era violates the very WP:NPOV guideline you cite. It's called neutral point of view, not positive point of view. The corruptions has been verified and overcited more than enough to satisfy your concerns. Facts with reliable sources in regards to players that are known performance enhancing drug users is necessary to mention in this article. You can try and argue that Babe Ruth used "PEDs" as well, though I doubt hot dogs and beer help you hit 60 home runs. On an unrelated note, Dock Ellis threw a no-hitter while on LSD. It's appropriately footnoted and cited in the List of Major League Baseball no-hitters, and the mention of performance enhancing drugs in this article is also appropriate. 50+ home runs were accomplished 17 times before 1990. Just 17 since Babe Ruth ushered in the live-ball era by being the first, second, third, and fourth player to accomplish the feat. Players exceeded 50 home runs 25 times between 1995 and 2010. Many of those players have been proven to use PEDs whether through evidence or self-admission, like Bonds, McGwire, and A-Rod, three of the poster-boys of what I nicknamed the Black-Ball Era. Frankly, I think there should be an indicator next to any player that has been definitively proved to have used PEDs. Albert Belle of all people was 99.9% likely to be clean, but will forever be labeled as just another black-ball era player. It seems like Ken Griffey Jr is the only player that will escape this horrid era without dishonor. He didn't shove needles into his ass to shatter the home run record with 900. No. His body broke down with age instead of getting more powerful like Bonds did when he suddenly became a monster at the age of 36. An anonymous former college player and steroid user that went from 0 HR in his high school through freshman year to 10+ HR in his sophomore year once said, "Steroids don't help you hit the ball. Steroids help you hit the ball farther." We saw it happen, it's been proven, and the 50 Home Run Club needs those sentences to let people know that perhaps half the names on this list used an extra boost to get here. Agent VodelloOK, Let's Party, Darling! 19:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, I've reworded and added sources, most of which I took right from the sluggers' wikipedia sites. If you have any problems with the current edit, please don't just scrap it again. If your goal is a well worded, supported statement and you don't think this is good enough, then help me fix it. Eliminating it altogether makes me think that you just dont want such a statement in the page, whether it should be or not. Cms479 13:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Steroids Era

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