Talk:Bombing of Kassel in World War II

message: The source I used for the time line was http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/oct43.html It states:
:3/4 October 1943
:Kassel: 547 aircraft - 223 Halifaxes, 204 Lancasters, 113 Stirlings, 7 Mosquitos. The H2S 'blind marker' aircraft overshot the aiming point badly and the 'visual markers' could not correct this because their view of the ground was restricted by thick haze. German decoy markers may also have been present. The main weight of the attack thus fell on the western suburbs and outlying towns and villages. 24 aircraft - 14 Halifaxes, 6 Stirlings, 4 Lancasters - lost, 4.4 per cent of the force.
:A number of Mosquito operations took place; 10 aircraft on a diversion to Hannover, 12 Oboe aircraft to Knapsack power-station near Cologne and 4 on Mark II Oboe trials to Aachen. No losses.
Note: "The main weight of the attack thus fell on the western suburbs". At the moment the article says "eastern suburbs of Ihringshausen and Bettenhausen". I am going to change it to western suburbs. If this is wrong please provide a source. --Philip Baird Shearer 00:59, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yah, it´s wrong, since Ihringshausen lays to the northeast and Bettenhausen to the east of Kassel. Provided source: Any map you can find of Kassel and its region, or at least Google Maps. I´ll refix it. 84.138.10.94 (talk) 11:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 3/4 October suburbs

message: As I already did at the Dresden bombing article, I again present sources for the claim that bombing civilians was a crime against humanity: ,  . Again I would like to point out that suppressing this information plays into the hand of sick people who say that the real bug crime of WWII was not the holocaust. 84.59.88.9 23:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of those so-called sources are opinion pieces.  Where is the documentation for the claims made on those pages?  User:Zoe|(talk) 23:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Then provide reliable sources, not opinion pieces!--KrossTalk 00:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an opinion that the bombings were war crimes as no trial has ever decided upon the question. As the opinion is widespread, as can be seen easily using google, it has to be noted. 84.59.88.9 00:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't just point to a Google search.  Document it.  Is there a book or a newspaper or magazine article which talks about the opinions that these actions were war crimes?  And don't give me neo-Nazi sites and other sites with an axe to grind, give me a neutral site.  User:Zoe|(talk) 00:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just look above. A fact does not become a fact because it is printed in a book. You can easily find books that say there was no holocaust. By the way, even if it were only Nazis who said this was a war crime - I doubt it because the Nazis used area bombing, too - it would still be noteworthy, as much as it is noteworthy that some lunatics deny the fact that millions were murdered in concentration camps. I have never read any book on that topic and I do not intend to do so. Get-back-world-respect 23:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  War crimes 

message: the third attack was clearly a british war crime. the chosen target area was the medival city center. there was no industry, no military installations in these area. it was a planned and systematical massmurder on the civil population without any military justification. a clear violation of article 25 of the den hague landwar convention of 1907. only some fanatic nationalistic british lunatics deny these historical facts. systematical attacks on the civil population are always a war crime thats common sense. the nationality of the victims doesn´t change that fact.--131.173.252.9 13:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clearly a britsh war crime

message: No mention is made that the giro/guidance for the V1 and V2 Terror Weapons was being produced at Philips Kassel with sub-workshops scattered/ dispersed throughout the city making it a class one military target. That was the origin of the last raid, and no war crime. Pity the poor guys who fell fighting the Nazis.86.46.147.159 (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destroying Terror Weapons is not a War Crime 

message: "The fire of the most severe air raid burned for seven days, at least 10,000 people died, 150,000 inhabitants were bombed-out, and the vast majority of the city center was destroyed." - (a) which was the most severe raid? Presumably October 1943, but it's not clear from the text, and (b) are the figures in the second half of the sentence for that raid in particular, or for the raids as a whole? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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