Talk:Practicing Cultural Mormon/archive

message: I don't have anything against this group, but I don't think this article belongs here as it is new research. Jgardner 21:36, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I lied. I do have something against this group. I'm a faithful believing Mormon and I think these guys should see their Bishop and get over their problems. I would be interested in seeing an article on this group if and only if they became notable and there was some research done on them. Jgardner 21:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

message: Adding this article was not meant to offend the believing Mormons, but to draw attention to the fact that these people actually exist. 
I admit the name makes it sound like an organization, which it clearly is not...but this is the only word I have found to describe this group of people. 
As you said, if actual sociological research is done on this topic, maybe a standardized name will be given to them.   
If you believe that New Order Mormons need to just see their bishop, I suggest you read a little on their website...there are well-written articles written on their website explaining their difficult position, most notably one called "The Paradox of the Faithful Unbeliever" 
http://home.comcast.net/~zarahemla/peggy_rogers1.htm
You said "I would be interested in seeing an article on this group if and only if they became notable and there was some research done on them."
The problem is that by its very nature, this group is a quiet minority within the LDS Church.  No research will be done on them, because no one knows they exist.  No one can tell how many there are, because they won't admit it, for the sake of their families.
If you feel a more generic word should be used on Wikipedia, as they are not a formal organization, perhaps we can think of one? 
Unorthodox Mormon?
:How about we call them "Mormons with issues about the church" and leave it at that? Are you sure that this isn't self promotion? What have these done? What role have they played? Are they significant in any way besides their sole existence? Compare this group with Opus Dei. There's just no comparison because Opus Dei is important, has affected the church they belong to in a significant way and such. Until New Order Mormons do something, who cares? The bottom line is, in my opinion, is that this is a group of people who are borderline ready to leave the church. There's been people like this since the beginning, and there will be people like this until the end. It's not until they decide to do something about their feelings that they become important. The fact that they all get together on a website and talk to each other isn't significant. There's a million groups out there like that.
:I am being hard, and I admit that, in the interest of being terse. But I hope it either helps you rethink whether this article belongs here at this time, or come up with some good reasons why it does - reasons I haven't seen yet. Jgardner 23:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit confused on the flow of the conversation here. Please leave four tildes (~ ~ ~ ~) (without the spaces of course) after your posting. Put colons (:) to indent the text. Jgardner 05:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I could tell you why I get upset, but it doesn't belong here. If you're interested you can contact me offline at jgardner@jonathangardner.net Jgardner 05:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  They do exist... 

message: I noticed on the to-do list at Template:LDSTaskBox that this article needed some clean-up. But it looks OK to me. Was there something in particular that was at issue? KevinM 03:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What Needs the Cleanup?

message: There are a number of statements in the current article that claim the LDS Church sees doubt as a sin to be repented of and detail various actions the church has taken against cultural Mormons. These need documentation, otherwise I would suggest the article be deleted. --MrWhipple 23:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed