Talk:Equestrian helmet

message: I have marked this article for cleanp, as it needs to be wikified, and has some typos etc. - Tim.bounceback 23:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I've made a small start, will see if the creator fixes it up.  If not, will dive in and do more work later.  Montanabw 20:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided it was time to just be bold, drug every helmet I owned out of the closet and started taking pictures. Then renamed it, and generally altered everything beyond recognition. (Also fixed at least FIVE redirects...!) Hope it helped! Montanabw 04:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I took out some comments that are POV or factually untrue.  In particular, untrue statements that ASTM sets safety designs for helmets.  --Una Smith 13:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unaware of any ISO standard pertaining to riding helmets.  ISO has other functions, one of which is to define guidelines for accreditation.  The text SEI is accredited to ISO/IEC Guide 65:1996 by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and the Standards Council of Canada (SCC) and citation already is on the wikipedia page describing SEI, where it belongs. --Una Smith 13:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Standards

message: Please leave bias out of the article.  Some cowboys wear helmets, some don't.  Some English riders wear them, some don't.  In some rodeo sports (especially bull riding!), wearing helmets and vests is becoming routine at the national pro level.  Contestants in my county's annual rodeo wear helmets and vests.  --Una Smith 13:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: First, the design standards are set and approved by an organization with expertise in design, engineering and safety.  This sounds good but it is simply untrue!  ASTM has no such expertise.  As I wrote already in this article, ASTM has a volunteer committee made up of helmet producers and users and that committee has written a safety standard, ASTM F1163.  ASTM F1163 is not a design standard.  I know this because I have read the standard. --Una Smith 13:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Design

message: : (formerly American Society for Testing and Materials).
Yes, ASTM formerly was American Society for Testing and Materials but that does not need to be explained on this page because it is explained on ASTM International. --Una Smith 13:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ASTM

message: Is this standard an equestrian safety standard or an equestrian helmet safety standard?  Someone who has read it, please abstract it for us! --Una Smith 13:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PAS 015

message: Replacing my earlier message with the comment that I am appalled at how much the various citations you added, when reading the source, didn't match what the articles actually said.  I have to say that this concerned me a great bit.  If you are going to critisize POV, bias and sourcing, then please look in the mirror first. As for the rest, I did some rearranging for readability. There still may be a place for some structural tweaks, but for heavens sake, be careful what you say about a source! Montanabw(talk) 23:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General replies

message: I have never heard of the "Snell" standard.  If it is so great, then explain who uses it.  From the text, it appears to just be something harness racing people use?  In what country?  And to sanctioning organizations require it, or is it just a good idea?  On that note, though, there is an argument to be made to include the standards for jockey helmets in Thoroughbred racing, I will admit. Montanabw(talk) 22:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snell 

message: Yeah, we definitely need a source on who says Snell is so terrific.  I have had horses for decades, taught lessons for years,  bought helmets for decades, been a member of USEF for decades and have never heard of Snell until you mentioned it two days ago.  Everything I see in the states, the catalogues, the magazines, the promtions for helmets, all the labels, at least on jumping helmets, is all pretty much ASTM/SEI.  I am not into Eventing or horse racing, though so maybe that crowd has a different standard, but whoever these people are, they may be great and all that, but from the source material I found for my last set of updates, the need for a penetration test is kind of the big debate between ASTM and EN...Americans won't wear hot helmets so they have some up with designs that have ventilation slots.  The sources I read suggested that the penetration issue is a debate, not a "clearly superior" design.  
As for what standards are mandated by the government of a given nation versus the ones that are industry-base, that can be mentioned, but needs to be NPOV.  An industry-based standard may be as good a standard as one mandated by the government, the issue is more that of enforcement for violations -- a wrist slap versus fines and sanctions, I suppose.  Source it, explain it, keep the article readable so ordinary people want to wear helmets...
Given the controversy here, I suggest that we try to source as much as possible.  Sourcing ends controversies, or at least dueling sources allows each side to present its view in a balanced matter.  It may get a little awkward to source every sentence, but let's try for paragraphs, at least.   It may help to know what general country you are working from, you sound like you have a European or British perspective, mine is western United States, the last bastion of "it's my head, why should I wear a helmet?" thinking. (which is why I know cowboys don't like helmets...sigh) My view is let's encourage helmet use and while accuracy is good, let's not get bogged down in technicalities.  Put the simple stuff first, the more complicated stuff farther down the page for those who care. Montanabw(talk) 07:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replies to all -2  

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message: It would be informative if there was a section in the article about other uses of these helmets, such as by mounted police. --Dreddmoto (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses