Talk:Kingdom of Germany

message: Well I used to made a Infobox for "Kingdom of Germany" and someone undid my edit, saying "Consensus against infobox" i'd love to know why ! Thank You Gabriel Ziegler (talk) 17:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is at the top of this page... Furius (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the Infobox is not allowed? 

message: So I have a question because of the info box, why was it removed? because there was no real "Kingdom of Germany" that's righst but the term Germany is not wrong but right, Germany means land of the Germans that means a "region/ or the Lands" where the Germans live or rule, usually both so that the term makes sense, even today Germany only has the sense of attributing the place where Germans live or the land of the Germans is and that's what it was at the time too, so I don't see a problem when we call the realm or kingdom of Germany bcs it was the Kingdom the Germans and both had the same meaning as I explained before. AsuraZC (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox was removed because infoboxes suck. More seriously, it was removed because you cannot convey what the medieval kingdom of Germany was in a box. It is hard enough in prose. Srnec (talk) 01:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why there are texts and pecific Infos writen about it too, it would help to find out some properties faster AsuraZC (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are looking for the kind of information typically found in such infoboxes, you will be disappointed. The kingdom of Germany did not have a capital or official language, flag or coat of arms. It has no precisely datable beginning or end. Srnec (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really see a recent consensus against adding an infobox. I think we should start an official WP:RfC on the matter per WP:CCC. Personally, I think the article can benefit from an infobox as it links what the Kingdom of Germany was before, and what it became afterwards. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you think came before and after? (There have been three discussions of the infobox, see above and archive 7.) Srnec (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I saw them, the discussions were mostly small with a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. This should have an WP:RfC to attract as many viewpoints as possible for a solid consensus that isn't dated. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be opposed to an infobox. All the factors that an infobox presents (start date, capital, official language, predecessors and successors, etc) are complicated for the kingdom of Germany and infoboxen aren't good with complexity. But if you think an RfC would be worthwhile, you should go ahead and open one. Furius (talk) 17:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see how this is different from Kingdom of Italy (Holy Roman Empire). The "Kingdom of Germany" was a constituent kingdom of the Holy Roman Empire. I will note that a similar discussion was held here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pretty dire infobox. The flag and coat of arms aren't actually that of the Kingdom of Italy, but the HRE as a whole. The set of events in "historical era" are important, but fairly randomly chosen. I doubt that the HRE kingdom of Italy really had an ISO code. It strengthens my opinion in the previous comment that infoboxes aren't good for these entities. Furius (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

text:  I'm with Srnec. Not including an infobox is one of the few things every side can agree upon. This is also a somewhat problematic topic for RfCs - it's too low profile and niche to gather much interest on its own, and those that do find their way here take one look at the talk page and decide it's not worth it. Prinsgezinde (talk) 12:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info box