Talk:Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)/Archive 2

message: I deleted this because it was somewhat too detailed and unnecessary, as well as consisting of improper statements ("Suprisingly, Real Madrid lost"). Peoplesunionpro 19:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last club paragraph 

message: its amazing how fast like 4 people went to edit the Ronaldo page to update how he tied the WC goals scored record
RideABicycle 20:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, Klose will be 32, and likely retired and replaced. Philc TECI 23:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  that was fast... 

message: The international caps and goals listed twice on this page were both incorrect, according to FIFA's World Cup 2006 website. . I therefore changed the information. I am however, a little suspicious of the caps figure, can anyone else confirm it?--Jackyd101 01:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Caps and Goals 

message: Now I understand that he was in the squad, and therefore was probably given a medal, but I think it's a bit much to imply in any way that he helped the team to this victory if he didn't play a single minute! aLii 13:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's on the roster, he's a world cup winner, end of story. Batman2005 19:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a long-going debate among fans and writers. One thing I always found funny was how certain fans would credit Ronaldo with being champion in 1994, but would not credit, for example, Franco Baresi for being in the roster in 1982 or Daniel Passarella in 1986. And even 'funnier' is that FIFA now recognizes these players' as winners in those tournaments, but never bothered to do so before Ronaldo and the 1994 world cup. The point is that just being on the roster wasn't enough to be eligible for the list of champions, and this seemed to be the consensus before the Ronaldo era. Then there seemed to be a certain urgency out there to ensure that everyone hears he was 'part of the squad'. Did anyone else out there notice this? I can't find, however, a FIFA source stating what the requirements are for a player to be recognized as world cup winner, or when these requirements were established. ChaChaFut 00:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You won't find a "FIFA Source" talking about requirements for being called a world cup winner.  It matters not if the player played a single minute of the tournament, they were a part of a world cup winning team, therefore they are world cup winners.  There's no reason to debate that point and if people are they are foolish.  Each player on the team, be it the starting center midfielder or the 3rd team goalkeeper are important parts of the team and only one play away from either being in or out of the game.  There's no plausible reason why we'd say Baresi or Passarella weren't champions...they are!  If people are saying they're not, then those people are foolish.  Simply put, Ronaldo was on the roster in 1994, therefore in 1994 he was a world cup champion.  It's the same with Kasey Keller...this was his fourth world cup...only the second that he actually played in, but he was in 4 world cups. Batman2005 01:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Won the 1994 World Cup? 

message: In the article, there is a statement that his is overweight. My problem with it is that it is definative in the present tense. Isn't that conjecture or even just opinion. Unless you've weighed he and calculated his BMI, isn't this just wrong? 212.159.117.243 23:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overweight? 

message: Who cares about what a crappy manager called Martin Oneill says? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hahahaha1 (talk • contribs) 
:Why do you think your opinion is more important than professional experts? Have you been editing this article to reflect your opinion like you did to the Thierry Henry article?   SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  01:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crap

message: Shouldn't this article be moved to Ronaldo Luíz Nazário de Lima and Ronaldo will automatically be redirected to it as this is his correct and full name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs) 08:42, June 26, 2006
:It's generally preferred to use people's common name when titling articles. eg. Pelé  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like suggested before, I also think "Ronaldo" should redirect to the disambiguation page. This Ronaldo will retire some day, and people will be more interested in reading about Portugese Cristiano_Ronaldo. Medico80 16:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I just looked; I don't think there is.  There is an article Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), which should really have a policy on Brazilians,  but WP:NC says:Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronaldo Luíz Nazário de Lima 

message: The given name "Ronaldo Luíz" is wrong.  The orthography of the name in Portuguese should be either "Luís" (with accute accent, ending with "s") or "Luiz" (no accent, with a "z"), but never "Luíz". (See, for example, the talk page on Lula.)  --HYC 14:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Name 

message: From the article: "The difference is that it took him three World Cups while Müller did it in just two.". Is this really necessary? How does it contribute? Hardwick 15:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on the opinion that it's already notable, and may be re-included. --Abu Badali 04:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring record 

message: With his third goal of the 2006 World Cup, Ronaldo became only the second player ever (Klinsmann being the other) to score at least three goals in each of three world cups, a sign of consistency at the top level. I added this info to the article, but then it was removed with the point of view that it is not a notable record. Fine with me if that is the consensus (?). But what if he scores again? He will become the only player in history to score at least four goals in each of three world cups. (4, 8, and 4 in 1998, 2002 and 2006 respectively). Will it suddenly make a difference and become a noteworthy statistic? Thanks in advance for your opinion. ChaChaFut 03:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on the opinion that it's already notable, and may be re-included. --Abu Badali 04:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring at least three goals in three world cups 

message: Removed reference to ACL (Anterior Cruciate Ligament) as a quick Google (for instance here []) seems to indicate that the first injury was to a tendon whilst there are conflicting accounts of the nature of the second injury. It's clear he had two knee injuries and hopefully that's what the article now says. Brainfood 11:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knee Injuries 

message: Not sure how to add this in but Ronaldo was originally brought to PSV by their (then) manager Bobby Robson; when Robson moved to Barcelona he brought Ronaldo to play there, (or at least got Barca to buy him from PSV).  I realise this is more relevant to Robson as coach, but isn't it always interesting to know who helped the player in his career? 88.109.31.255 20:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football career 

message: Anyone else agree there are way too many templates on this page? --Guinnog 12:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have had your say when they were nominated for TfD.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  13:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: Discussions take place Friday. (today)
He is not actually on AC Milan until he signs as expected on Monday Jan 29th 2007. Therefore he is still on the Real Madrid side. can someone please change this in the write up?
Ronaldo - Real Madrid to Milan (portuguese): Link Kal 04:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Current negotiations have fallen through. Kal 15:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This wasn't a rumor again, here was the first line, "Discussions take place Friday." I suspect you suffer from the inability to read sentences correctly. Kal 19:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ronaldo move disagreement

message: Someone had vandalized the infobox stats on October 12 . Took two weeks before someone (me, me ,me!) corrected this edit. Why include stats when no one bothers to verify them? InfoboxEditor 19:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not always easy to find the stats. Can you recommend a good resource or, even better, add the link to the External links section?  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  21:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone had referenced footballdatabase.com before, which I think is a reliable source for league goals although not for international ones. Another site I find accurate for league and European goals is sports.yahoo.com . InfoboxEditor 02:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox vandalism