Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 18

message: The article says that "In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii, both overall and in monthly sales." In my opinion this statment is controversial (in case of xbox).
According to vgchartz.com PS3 sold better in last 5 weeks than Xbox 360. It is true that since PS3 launch (roughly last 8 months) Xbox sold more units than PS3 (about 5 million compared with PS3 4 millions) but when we align launches and compare how much PS3 had sold in its first 8 months with how much Xbox 360 had sold in its first 8 months we get almost the same results: Xbox 360 - 4.138 mln units, PS3 - 4.108 mln (it can be easily seen in World->Hardware chart when we "align lanunches"). This still gives Xbox 360 a little advantage but it will probably change when last week results will be counted.
In my opinion the statment should be changed to sth like this: "In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii, in overall sales and behind Wii in monthly sales. Monthly sales of Xbox 360 and PS3 are comparable".
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Your argument was perfectly valid until you mentioned Vgchartz. Sorry.
7FlushSetzer 06:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Media create and NPD support the similar totals but lower for both as they do not account for non Japaneses or US sales.Manic-pedant 04:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Most likely higher also thanks to a percentage of owners who had to re-buy their Xbox when they were part of the lucky 33% rather then repair it. Denzelio 21:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same thing happened to the original PlayStation and, to a lesser extent, the PlayStation 2.  They kept breaking and people kept spending $150 on new ones. 72.43.143.214 17:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation sells lower than Xbox 360? 

message: It says Smackdown vs Raw 2008, which isn't out yet so that can't be right, and the source for that says it's Resistance. Someone should change that.
Acording to  which I think is a good sorce haha says that NCAA® Football 08 is the top game.  -- Vdub49 01:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That source shouldn't be used to cite NCAA Football 08 as the best selling PS3 game, since the list does not even number the games based on total sales ranking. --Silver Edge 08:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: VG Chartz has projections of video game hardware and software sales numbers, so it does not have actual sales figures. "A site dedicated to video game charts" does not necessarily make it reliable, or more reliable than the Associated Press. --Silver Edge 05:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Selling Game? 

message: In the article it states the following:
"According to the Amazon.com sales rankings, the price cut has increased PlayStation 3 sales by 3200%, far surpassing Sony's 200% target."
This is both misleading and inaccurate. Amazon.com admits on their site that sales rank is not an indicator of total sales volume increase. Rather it is the percentage that an item has moved in the rankings. The two are quite different. As such, the sales increase at a single online retailer is not reliable as a source of an overall sales increase.
Bdhoff 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Amazon.com sales percentage be removed? 

message: http://news.spong.com/article/13491?cb=993
I think this should be included, especially in light of the 33% XBOX 360 failure rate.
:Maybe it should go in the hardware section, or the hardware page? John.n-irl 13:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey you made a mistake. The PlayStation 3's announced failure rate is 0.02% not 0.2%. --TheN1Armyguy. (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 0.2% failure rate 

message: This article reflects the enormous level of FUD against the PS3.  I've been following the console wars for a while, and I do find the level of hostile fanboyism and misinformation from all sides to be rather unreasonable and detestable.  Sections of this article read like they were written by fanboys of other consoles who go out of their way to discredit the PS3.  Information and arguments which favor the PS3 seem to be mysteriously omitted.  Negatives seem to be amplified to the limits of what Wikipedia might let slide.  I would caution any reader to take this article with a grain of salt, as it is part of the battleground for the raging console wars, and it's encylopedic integrity is questionable.  The article is very actively editted by its subject's detractors.  24.23.231.54 17:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't seem to notice this... NinjaRooster 03:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you have specific examples? -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 21:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Way to keep things on topic with your valuable (and obviously highly intellectual) contribution John.n-irl 12:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This is a negative article slanted against the PS3

message: I'd just like to know if the BlackMagic Intensity HDMI capture card can capture digitally gameplay footage in HD off of the PS3. --Jack Zhang 18:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gameplay capturable in HD via HDMI? 

message: "In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii...
...likewise the PS3 sold 2.5 times more units in June than the Xbox 360."
Is it just me, but does the first part say that the PS3 is behind the Xbox, but the second part claims that it is ahead? Someone less lazy than me might want to fix this up. 59.167.93.124 13:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction in sales figures??

message: Under Hardware, the article says HDMI is available on all models. It is actually only available on the 80 gb model, not the 60 gb model.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.54.210 (talk) 09:04, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
it's on all Models, even the 20 gb model, i have a 60 gb model and my PS3 has it.
there is a diagram providing the information for you. note the things that only come on some models are marked with an (*).ReZerO 05:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. HDMI is standard on all models of the PlayStation 3, ever since the beginning, unlike the Xbox 360, which only started phasing them in recently, and even then, the Xbox 360 only uses HDMI 1.2, whereas the PlayStation 3 has the latest HDMI 1.3.(Myscrnnm 20:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HDMI Support

message: Can alot of these topics be removed, some are un-needed and old and ir-relevant and 62 Topics is quite alot with so many now irrelevant. Denzelio 21:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blanking is not considered a way to do so.  Archiving is.  I'll see if I get the chance to archive the page a bit later.  Anyone else who is familiar with how this page is archived can do in the meantime.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 01:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I archived most of the topics and stopped around the posts that were added around mid August.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 05:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TO MANY TOPICS

message: In the publicity and reception section section of this article, I count twice more positive reception paragraphs, and two negative ones, one being extremely small. I think this is very POV. I noticed a lot of negative publicity missing, for example the whole violent episodes that occurred during the opening night. This section should be rewritten so that it's not POV. C. Pineda 03:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Love Letter to the PS3 

message: I went to youtube in recently and there is a guy who said that 80GB version can play PSone and PS2 games well but here is the proof but that person is NOT me!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nOTzV24ag Rickengothic 10:19 , 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:The 80GB PS3 does not have the Emotion Engine or the Graphics Synthesizer, but it can still play games through emulation.  True, it can not play as much games this way, but it can still play a good amount.  There is no such thing as a PlayStation 3 unit that has no backward compatability. Closetoeuphoria 04:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wrong! The 80GB (and EU 60GB) version indeed has a GS chip, and lacks only the EE. Just look out for the many motherboard photos on the net. Unfortunately, while the EE can be emulated, the GS is a much harder to emulate part. The new 40GB PS3 lacks the GS chip, too - hence no emulation at all.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.101.27.232 (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 80GB can play PSone and PS2 games. 

message: Well, I saw that the SIXAXIS controllers have a total of 4 LEDs, indicating that the maximum number of players that can use the console at any given time is four, not seven. Just that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.16.114.33 (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Player 5's controller has the 1 and 4 lit up at the same time, player 6 has 2 and 4 lit up, and player 7 has 3 and 4 lit up.  Also, don't forget to sign your posts. Closetoeuphoria 04:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does a single PS3 console support up to 7 players? 

message: Where did the protection go?? -- Vdub49 02:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. It's been vandalized by this 70.44.etc. guy. Bakarocket 13:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection 

message: :: I started fixing stuff, but the vandal has changed a whole bunch of single words. I can't be bothered going through it all only to have him do it over. Someone doesn't have a job apparently. --Bakarocket 13:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we get some protection on this again, please?

message: The PS3 requires for all games and movies a HDCP compliant monitor/TV. As a alternative you can play games on 480i (ntsc) format with obviously less resolution.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.10.145 (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have answered any other concerns in the HDCP section below.  It is actually the 1.3a HDMI verification that requires HDCP, not just the PS3.--WhereAmI (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 to PC lcd monitor 

message: I've heard rumours that Sony is considering recalling the PS3 due to negative reactions and lack of sales, pricing, glitches, etc etc. Judging by this article I'm supposing this isn't true? --Marshmello 22:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That rumor is 100% not true.  Sony has said that they plan the PlayStation 3 to have a life span of at least ten years.  They would not recall the system.  Closetoeuphoria 01:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours of a recall? 

message: What's with referring to MB in some sections and MiB in others? It looks terrible, and is confusing. Stick with KB, MB, GB, or the "binary" prefix KiB, MiB, etc.
My preference, for the record, is KB, MB and GB. Sjhill 18:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be standardized in the article, however the differences is because people use "Gigabytes" while computers use "Gibibytes".  The size difference between the two explains why you "lose" 7% of your hard drive's storage.  Useight 03:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standards MB vs MiB 

message: It says in the aritcle that in most cases the PS2 is outselling the PS3, but it fails to mention that the PS2 is also outselling the Xbox 360. 75.52.170.140 20:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfair Statement 

message: I found this article in gamepro.com.  http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=133528  Rickengothic  10 September 2007 10:41 pm
From the content of the article it seems as though this is more speculation than fact. --Bdhoff 22:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony to release $399 PS3 (40GB) this holiday   

message: I would like to note that the Playstation 3 article in Wikipedia has a few minor errors with respect to past-present tense usage. For instance, the article says that "Sony have...", however the correct usage of the past-present would be to say that "Sony has...". I understand that this a minor correction, but it would help to clean it up.
Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.234.149.2 (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the wikipedia standards on English variation. The phenomenon you are talking about is perfectly acceptable in all regional variants of English except American. If the article in general uses American English, please go ahead and change it because you may be the only person on the planet who minds. If it uses anything but American English, it shall stay as it is. --Bakarocket 12:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical Corrections 

message: Some nerd with no life keeps vandalizing the page by replacing the Top-Selling game. Instead of Resistance: Fall of Man, they replace it with NCAA Football 08. I know for a fact that a football game that was only recently released didn't sell that many copies to become the top selling game. They have done this on more than one occasion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShinraiTS4 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued Vandalism 

message: the information regarding negative comments made by Todd Howard from Bethesda Softworks (http://www.fragland.net/news.php?page=1&id=15404) have been completely removed for this page as has the region coding infomation about blu-ray titles not working on a ps3 that have been purchased from another region!
DRM information should be included into the ps3 page stating that ppl need a HDCP screen to view content via the hdmi output of the ps3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
Pigfister 10:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of infomation and Infomation that should be listed 

message: In the line:
"European Imaging And Sound Assioation awarded the PS3, top honours for its media centre capabilities."
Association is spelled wrong. If this article wasn't locked (which, I might add defeats the purpose of Wikipedia) this issue would be resolved, but it's not.
: dont take it the wrong way, but I think we'd rather leave it locked so it's not vandalized; but I'll fix it.  -- Vdub49 01:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Error 

message: "The Dual Shock 3 will launch this November in Japan, while the US and Europe will receive the new controller in the spring of 2008."
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821010p1.html
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821358p1.html
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821289p1.html Denzelio 08:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DUAL SHOCK 3 - Rumble Feature Finally Available On The SIXAXIS Controller

message: I'm having a feeling that these Xbox 360 fanboys are going to vandal this Playstation 3 site, please more protection! HweeWieng September 28 2007
:Considering that the page has been doing just fine thus far, almost a year into the console's life, I think the current protections are enough. -FrYGuY 08:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah if only.. John.n-irl 12:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page must be protected. 

message: I read on ign a couple of weeks ago about a study by a financial group I think, saying that the ps3 will outsell the 360 by 2009 and by 2012 have the most software sales. Does anyone have a link to that and if you do, can you put it in the publicity section.--Playstationdude 16:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Study 

message: Many reports, including ones quotes in the main article, indicate that the initial PS3 units contained the Emotion Engine (EE) of PlayStation 2. Now, PS2 contained two major processors, the EE and the Graphics Synthesizer (GS) which, after each having gone through some silicon shrink steps individually, got combined onto a single die. This single EE+GS chip powers the later PS2 units (likely from the time of the PStwo redesign). I would expect this chip (EE plus GS) to have been embedded in the early PS3s -- not just the EE. Can anyone confirm this? The Seventh Taylor 21:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elimination of Emotion Engine 

message: Was checking out g4 website and on the feed they have more proof that the $400, 40gb PS3 is coming. They even think the release date is Oct. 28. I'm not saying that we should add this officially on the article yet, but I'm getting goosebumps!--Playstationdude 01:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feed 

message: The service is having several difficulties being anywhere near as popular as the Xbox Live system.
:Have moved the above unreferenced comment here.  If someone can provide a reference, then it can be put back. Icemotoboy 03:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation Network 

message: why does it say on the 60GB pal version there is no ps2 cpu backwards compatiblity but there is ps2 gpu backwards compatiiblity? isnt the emotion engine and graphics systhsizer all in one chip?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.246.100 (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See my question 3 sections above.The Seventh Taylor 22:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ps2 cpu backwards compatiblity and ps2 gpu backwards compatiblatiy 

message: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825213p1.html
The New 40GB PS3 will not allow for any Backwards Compatibility at all and is very surprising. As at first Sony decided to remove PS2 Compatibility chips in order to save with Production costs, and instead chose to use 'Emulation Software', which as a result leads additional time being taken to further include PS2 tittles under Emulation, rather then straight 100% compatibility through Dedicated PS2 Chips. Yet the New Console has neither the PS2 Chip nor Emulation Software, So this may just be an insight into later Versions of the PS3 and or a later Slim-line version at a later date ofcourse. Sony had stated that they didn't want to focus on just updating 'PS2 Emulation Software', and this system that was a result of 'Extensive Research' may just show that with out demand for PS2 support later versions may not include 'PS2 Software Emulation' in future systems yet to be Released. 
One of the strong points for the PS2 was the Backwards Compatibility, The PS2 was the first system to offer Backwards Compatibility, and the new 40GB PS3 is now the first to remove Backwards Support for Modern day Consoles. So for the new model you may just have to sacrifice your PS2 collection or hold on to your PS2 console for the foreseeable future.
In basic this PS3 model is now the first current Next-Gen Console not to include backwards Compatibility. Denzelio 23:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Removal of PS2 Backwards Compatability 

message: http://nz.playstation.com/news/newplaystation3.jhtml;jsessionid=BKGDLFGQELM4RS3YIXZSFE4LXBC5EIV0
Can someone finish updating the ps3 page so that this information is included. I would do it mayself, but I'm lazy :P (and have no idea what im doing)
I have tried to get a little bit in (last paragraph under launch), if someone would like to tie it up nicely, that would be appreciated.
00iddy 01:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Ps3 Release in Australia 

message: With the Addition of the new 40GB Model the 'Retail Configuration' Table is getting Confusing, Can someone either mention next to or under the 20GB & 60GB that they are now 'DISCONTINUED' or give them a Color to Signify this as their obviously isn't 4 different types of PS3 Consoles available in Retail Stores. Denzelio 03:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  60GB is not discontined at all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  60GB PAL Discontinued link: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825517p1.html Denzelio 03:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyone got any sources for the edits being made to the page? The current table looks a bit of a mess John.n-irl 12:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  Matte finish on 40GB model?? This is only a rumor started by a site. SONY never confirm anything about "matte finish" on Playstation 3 40GB. In official UK site of Playstation there is a photo of the 40GB Playstation 3 box and its a black glossy finish cover. The link:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.205.34.249 (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to update the Retail Configuration PS3 Console Table 

message: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825861p1.html
40GB PS3 model will be released in Japan on the 11/11 along with the New Dual Shock 3 controller, Both the New 40GB PS3 and Dual Shock 3 Controller in 2 Colors.
The Japanese 40GB PS3 is the same Model Technically as the European Model. The 40GB PS3 is not compatible with PS2 titles, The 40GB PS3 will also lack support for the SACD format.
In Japan 2 Colors are will be available for the New 40GB PS3, Clear Black (40GB PS3 model CECHH00) and Ceramic White (40GB PS3 model CECHH00). 'Clear Black' is the same color as the Current PS3 Consoles.
In Japan the Dual Shock 3 controller will also be available in 2 colors, Black (model CECHZC2J) and Ceramic White (CECHZC2J CW).
The New Japanese 40GB PS3 will not include a Dual Shock 3 Controller. The New PS3 still includes the standard SIXAXIS controller. The 'Clear Black' PS3 will include a black controller while the 'Ceramic White' PS3 includes the white controller.
With the announcement of the 40GB for Japan, There is Currently no mention of Discontinuing the Other PS3 Models for Japan. Denzelio 22:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New CERAMIC WHITE PS3 & CERAMIC WHITE DUAL SHOCK 3 CONTROLLER for Japan 

message: So, I know Jack Tretton bet 1200 dollars that no PS3 on store shelves would last more than 5 minutes without being bought, as it says in the main article. Could someone please add that the guys from Penny Arcade, as well as Handsome Tom and Stuttering Craig from Screwattack both tried to get Jack Tretton to pay them something like 50 K USD because they hung around a Gamestop or something and watched a stack of PS3s not get sold for more than two hours? I believe that this is on the article for Screwattack itself on Wikipedia.
They did not receive their money, and Jack Tretton never even responded.
Luckyhat4 20:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note, Jack Tretton is the president/CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. - XMog 12:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Hardly related to PS3, it's just more CRUD to make this article less Wikipedia friendly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If you want to mention this, then please include all the facts, like when Tretton said this, there were indeed no consoles around, however when it was published, there was.  Basically he was stitched up by said magazines, who delayed reporting it, until there were new supplies, then claimed foul. It's easy to get sucked into believing what the gutter press want you to believe --81.174.171.21 (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Tretton's 1,200 Dollar Deal 

message: The main Wiki Article is stating that "The 40 GB model does not feature any backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2 titles".
This is an unfounded rumor which is displayed as fact and should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.21.166 (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Straight from the Sony Computer Entertainment website link that is already referenced in the article: "The new model is no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation®2 titles, reflecting both the reduced emphasis placed on this feature amongst later purchasers of PS3, as well as the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles (a total of 65 titles across all genres by Christmas)." http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/071006e.html Please do not remove the comments of others from talk pages. Dancter 19:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  40 GB Model and backwards compatibility 

message: Isn't that disputed - including by both Sony and Nintendo themselves?!?!?  Also, it is akin to stating that the Lamborghini Gallardo competes with the Ford Focus..... 86.17.211.191 00:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is like saying a Razr is competing against Nokia N95. Since both are mainly used for a single service, they are competing. -- ReyBrujo 01:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well my first point stands.  Even Nintendo say they are in different markets.  And what is this "single service"?  Gaming?  So, Lambos and Fords don't provide the same service?!?! Anyway, PS3 offers many more services than does the Wii.  86.17.211.191 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Why should mentioning of the Wii be removed? They're all 7th gen consoles. Thus while they may claim they're not competing with each other, they are still very much associated with each other. And isn't this topic dead already? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 01:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Could certainly debate that all of them are/aren't next gen consoles, but due to their release dates, we consider them current gen. Much in the way we examine the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube as last gen due to their lifecycle and what was on the market, not by what each can and cannot do. What generation a console is does not lie solely on the fact that it can render things in HD or the PR spin of the likes of their marketing managers. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 09:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The PlayStation 3 competes with ..... Nintendo's Wii  

message: The article states "It was also revealed that the first-person shooter Unreal Tournament 3 will be exclusive to the PlayStation 3 in 2007". This is obviously outdated and I don't think it was ever true. The PC version will be out next month and the PS3 and 360 versions will come out some time later. 202.89.191.212 01:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For a period of time it was announced as a PS3 console exclusive title. The fact that the article no longer even mentions it as an exclusive title probably reflects the changes in the developer's stance accordingly some time in the past. Why are we even discussing this when it's not even on the article anymore? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 02:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreal Tournament 3 PS3 Exclusive? 

message: why are the usb 4x and 2x cells the same colour? it doesn't make sense. yellow colour is supposed to be used to show "partial" difference with the full spec. like hard or soft emulation, now with everything green there is no difference at all. it gets confusing to newcomers. Cliché Online 12:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the color is fine; but I have a problem with the backward compatibility section, I think it either does or does not work none of the hardware and software stuff. -- Vdub49 01:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: chart colour nonsense

message: As you have stated in the article, there will be a 40 GB PS3 in the nearby future but will it be in North America?  if so, will the package contain a High Definition Media Interface wire?  I would deeply appreciate to hear a response between now and late November.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.196.226 (talk) 13:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The New 40GB PAL PS3 Model does not even include the LAN Cable, that the other PS3 Models came with so you would be very lucky to see a HDMI Cable in the box, as no PS3 Model have even yet included HDMI Cable, and the 40GB is of course a Lesser version of the Higher Models. Denzelio 13:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will The 40 GB PS3 be released in North America? 

message: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/828/828382p1.html
As Already mentioned the 40GB U.S. PS3 will be the same as the 40GB PAL PS3 Model, Non PS2 Compatible. Will Retail for $400 and Release date is the 2nd of November
"Sony also plans to cut the price of the existing 80-gigabyte version from $600 to $500" Date of the Price Drop is not yet Confirmed. Denzelio 20:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true. The price drop is effective immediately. I made additions already, but perhaps someone could check my edits. Dancter 20:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: |here is a sorce to confirm the price drop, which is weird because you think they would make a big announcement about it maybe I missed it.   -- Vdub49 04:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  40 GB U.S. PS3 Date Announced, Also 80GB Soon Will Get A Price Drop 

message: CNN says, "The new low-end model won't be able to play games made for the PlayStation 2."  This article on Wikipedia says (in the table) that the new 40GB PS3 does not have PS2 compatibility, but in other places it says that compatibility is (or formerly was?) provided through software. Which is it? I find it shocking that Sony would completely remove support for PS2 games from the PS3, but this article and CNN both seem clear that this is what's happened. Either way, the article should be clarified. - Brian Kendig 20:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It really should be. We probably won't know for sure until people other than semi-clueless mainstream journalists actually use the 40GB model. I would not be surprised that they dropped backwards compatibility altogether; even though you can still emulate through software, by doing that you need a dedicated group of individuals to release updates allowing certain games to be playable (or just play better). Seeing as how Sony is in financial trouble with the PS3 as it is, they are probably throwing every single thing they have at just the PS3 aspect. Can't blame them for thinking that way. User918 04:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Backwards Compatibility will not totally be removed for the PS3, As PS1 Games for instance make money from people buying and downloading the emulated games through the PS3 Network. PS2 Support disappeared obviously because there was no money to be made from spending time having staff work on further PS2 support with no obvious financial gain as PS2 games are not available to be paid for, like the PS1 games can be through the PS3 Network. The End of PS2 Support may also indicate that soon at some stage that PS2 Hardware and Software may finally be Discontinued, The sooner the better for PS3 Sales as consumers usually prefer a cheaper alternative and there are many cheap PS2 games available in stores.Denzelio 20:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more PS2 support? 

message: North America - is now 1.75 Million - http://au.gamespot.com/news/6181267.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3
Europe - is now 1.69 Million - http://n4g.com/News-75071.aspx
Denzelio 01:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1.69 million PS3s sold in Europe information on http://n4g.com/News-75071.aspx comes from VG Chartz, which is not considered a reliable source since the sales numbers on VG Chartz are projections and not actual sales figures. --Silver Edge 02:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to Update PS3 Sales Chart 

message: I think it would be appropriate to add the current prices in the table that compares the different versions. For models that are no longer officially available, the last official MSRP could be added with an asterisk to mention that it is no longer sold.--SkiDragon 09:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add current price for different regions? 

message: I was under the impression that the PS3 will only work with "plug and play" keyboards and mice.  If this is true, the article should make it clear. 62.25.106.209 14:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  USB keyboard and mouse 

message: i think it should be noted that the price of the ps3 high end and low end model is the same in the us as it is in canada. (this is a simple short fact and shouldn't cause any trouble if its added, thank you for your time)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crack stuntman (talk • contribs) 02:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony respects rising Canadian dollar with price drop 

message: It has to be protected because many other users will threaten to start the flame war. Professional Gamer 18:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: when did the protection end? I just put it up there in case of a mistake.  -- Vdub49 18:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  playStation 3 Unprotected? 

message: There is a serious lack of information on the maufacteuring details of PS3. It's materials, what plastic, how recyclable it is. These are details that should be here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.255.91 (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: wtf? this is not a GreenPeace article. Cliché Online 19:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Playstation 3 materials 

message: With this reference still requiring that the section be modified and most likely shortened with more specific reference to PlayStation 3 configurations i have created and placed a table over the wording of the section and, as such viewing the release data in a table is much easier to read and view, rather the the many sentences specifying basically announced and then the release date. This way there will be less space taken by this section by those many references. I have left all the previous wording underneath the table so that i can get an opinion on whether people prefer the lengthy wording or a table specifying the same data. I am also not familiar with joining citations to the data so there is yet none connected to the table. As for the table, yes there already is a table about release information but that table does not clarify both the release and current price only one which is not the best reference also strangely contains alot of un-needed information on the (USD) for every region? which is odd as Wikipedia is worldwide, Like the previous wording of the section the table is by date. All the information in the table is from the previous wording there are a few gaps as not all prices word specified and or every region.Denzelio 01:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer having the retail configurations removed, leaving only the descriptions of the models, dates and a few more things, but not much. Wikipedia is not a product catalog, no need to have the price in every region. It should also be removed from all other console articles. -- ReyBrujo 01:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is just a test, it should not go directly on the article. I have moved the table to Talk:Playstation 3/retail table.--Kyle(talk) 06:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revision to 'Retail configuration' 

message: Why does it needs restructuring? It looks fine to me. Jørgen88 19:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructuring? 

message: This weeks sales in Europe showed on the feed:
1.DS
2.Wii
3.PSP
4.PS3
5.PS2
6.360
7.GBA  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Playstationdude (talk • contribs) 01:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What feed? Reference? Is this even worth mentioning? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 02:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Feed on the U.S. channel G4. Here is a link to the blog of it: 
I didn't mean to say this should be in the article.--Playstationdude 13:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to be a spoil sport, but this is not a forum to discuss about the PS3. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 16:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe loves ps3 more than 360

message: Some one needs to remove this statement from the bottom of the page between the last two expandable references.  Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.131.96.16 (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The mention of You suck 

message: According to this article: folding@home the PS3 help create the worlds alrgest distributed computing network. I think thats a notable achievement worthy of a section on the PS3 article.Manic-pedant 18:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned in the Folding@Home article, I don't think it's worth having a section here when it's probably going to end up a word for word section with it's bit on F@H. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 19:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Manic-pedant, I think it should be mentioned under "PlayStation 3 cluster" rather than it's own section in the PS3 artical.  -- Vdub49 21:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Mentioning this achievement int hat section would be good. the folding@home hit 1 petaflops. Manic-pedant 19:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folding@home 

message: Does anyone want to work with me on a advertising section of the PlayStation 3? There is a lot of stuff for it. Like the new Entertainment Universe, different slogans, and critism on the original ads like the crying baby.--Playstationdude 00:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads 

message: Can anyone confirm whether the 40GB model has Wi-Fi support? The article currently contradicts itself on this matter - the infobox at the top of the page states that only the 60GB and 80GB models have Wi-Fi, but the "Retail configurations" section indicates that all models except the 20GB one have it. 217.155.20.163 14:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wi-Fi support on 40GB model 

message: It states on the wiki that the 40GB is compatible with the PS3 is this correct?  I thought it had no compatibility with any older PS game  —Preceding unsigned comment added by College Watch (talk • contribs) 23:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS1 games work fine on PS3.  It's only Xbot talk that says they don't/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk) 16:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: If you don't know if it's true, College Watch, please do not add the information. If you had examined the note at the bottom of the table and the cited reference, backward compatibility with PS1 games was never accomplished through hardware. Dancter 21:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwards Compatibility with PS1  

message: Does anyone know if and when the Japanese version of the 80 GB model will be released? -- Ishikawa Minoru 23:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  80 GB NTSC-J model 

message: Somewhere in the article someone should mention the new campaign ads Sony created. Either put it in the publicity/reception section or make a new area and group it with the old ads.Einstein the afrodude 00:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Ads 

message: There's a 90mn that's supposed to be 90nm.
68.6.53.79 07:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor correction 

message: Major update to the PS3 page needed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.235.19 (talk) 08:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 2.00 firmware released 

message: According to NPD the ps3 has sold 2,105,500units in the US.Link
Karbfg10k 15:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 sales update 

message: This will make it easy for new users to know compatibility of the original PS1 games for the various PS3 Flavors College Watch 18:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I answered above, it's already mentioned in the table notes. What you added before was factually incorrect. Dancter 19:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to Add PS1 compatibility to Table Grid 

message: I've been hearing that the 40GB PS3 lacks the Universal power supply of the 60GB model, can anyone confirm or deny this? Admeister200x
:The 40 GB comes with the 3 pronged plug on the back, with no external power adapter necessary, as all PS3's do. Df747jet (talk) 08:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  40GB PS3 has no Universal power supply? 

message: I'm the owner of the PS3, and it experienced high problems and it stopped working, and it flashed red and I called it the "Red Flashing Light Of Death". Professional Gamer 16:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Problems 

message: It says in the article (in the retail configuration sections):
"Once stocks of 60 GB PAL region model are exhausted, the 40 GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories."
and references it to: http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item80772/Entertainment-like-you%E2%80%99ve-never-seen-before/
but i read through that article and it doesn't mention that there are any plans to replace the 60GB with the 40GB. Is this wrong, i hope it is. Chris_huhtalk 15:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched the reference to the general European announcement, which does mention it, though Gamespot has a quote from a spokesperson in which it is stated more explicitly. Dancter (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sony have ONLY ever said the 60GB/80GB are being discontinued, so unless (and it's a BIG unless), Sony don't release a new high end PS3 to replace them, then yes, the 40GB will be the only model.   Now considering Sony want to get a premium price for the PS3, for as long as they can, I think it's a safe bet, that a fully featured high-end 60/80GB replacement, with an even bigger HDD, is a near certantity, It's just they are not ready to announe it yet, for fear of stalling 60gb/80GB sales.  Once supplied are low, you can bet an announcement will be made.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  60B PAL to be replaced by 40GB? 

message: Do any of you know why 1 of SPEs is reserved for redundancy.
:: To incease production yields of the Cell CPU.
How and why you would be able to activate on.
:: Never gonna happen...
PS3 Hardware
Did a google on this subject and can not find any answer anywhere.
:Apparently its assumed broken and then assigned to the PS3, the fully working Cells are used in IBM servers and stuff. John.n-irl (talk) 05:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy  

message: The playstation 3 has outsold the Wii for the seconf week in a row. As this is probably due to the price cut ad is likely to continue, I think this needs to be added to the sales sectionEinstein the afrodude (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just report the facts: no speculation. There is likely to be a sustained boost in sales, but all we know right now is the sales up to this point. I already edited the Wii article based on this news, but that article is in somewhat better condition. This article hurts my eyes. Dancter (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the need to report it if it's only 2 weeks we're talking about. Better wait until Sony releases a press release stating they've outsold the Wii in Japan, or something similar. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 23:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it's only 2 weeks that the PS3 has outsold the Wii in Japan, it is in the context of a extended trend for the region in which weekly Wii sales in particular had been decreasing. Regardless, even if the increase in sales only lasted for the two weeks, it would still be a clear effect of the lower-priced options that were made available. Even if the new pricing had no effect at all on PS3 sales, it would be worth noting. Dancter (talk) 05:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so note it then. Just remember that this isn't a blog where you post minor updates. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 05:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 outsells Wii in Japan

message: * Are there any region codes on the games? Can European consoles play US-American/Japanese games, beside the NTSC/PAL topic?
* How about DVD/Blueray regiondes? Is it possible to play US-American DVDs or Blueray discs on European consoles? --Nemissimo (talk) 13:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info. Is it possible to use a Linux Player on the hardware to watch DVDs or Blueray regioncode free instead? And... is it correct that on the consoles with the the smaller HDs, any external USB HD can be pluged in without any problem? Is there any size limit? --Nemissimo (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HD size is not a fixed limitation. You can plug any 2.5" laptop HD into a PS3 without any adverse effect on the warranty. Thus if you pleased you could install ubuntu linux on your ps3 and use a linux movies player to play out of region DVD's or any other linux supported format.Manic-pedant (talk) 22:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible to use a Linux Player on the hardware to watch DVDs or Blueray regioncode free instead? — I've never tried it on my PS3, but VLC in Linux works fine since it decrypts the region codes when watching DVD movies. Should work on the PS3 as well if you use Linux+VLC. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 22:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regioncodes?

message: It says here that Star Ocean 4 will be a PS3 exclusive.
However, on the article for the game itself, the platform is stated to be unknown at this time. 
Wuzzat about? 209.243.25.69 (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your right.  It has not been confirmed in any matter and I have removed it.--WhereAmI (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Ocean 4 exclusive?

message: To many, the PS3 is to expensive, and they will go after the so-called cheaper Xbox 360. But when you look at the bigger picture, the PS3 is easily the better deal. It comes with many things that 360 owners will have to pay extra for. Free Blu Ray player, free wi-fi, free online service, and an updateable HDD are just some examples. The 360 elite is $500 (i think), but when you add the HD DVD player($150), the wi-fi ($100), 6 years of Xbox Live ($420), and 4 cotroller recharging kits ($80), you get almost $1250. That is way more than the PS3's $600.
I just guessed most of these prices (but I know they are pretty close) to roughly show people the true price of the 360, so feel free to put different prices (as long as you are sure that they are real).
Darth Hemsky (talk) 22:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Price Justified