Talk:Muscovy Company

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message: The writing in the article about "Russia" and "Russians" is manipulative.
The very name of the English company clearly indicates the name of the country with which they traded - Muscovy/Moscovia. And people there called themselves "muscovites" in those time. There are Constantinople peace treaty in 1700 where modern russian, still used that name for state and people. So, it's article either manipulative, or not accurate. 
In those times "russian/rus'/rusines/ruthenians people" it was name for Ukrainian and Belarusian people who was ancestors of Kyivan Rus' state. Muscovites invented to steal their name and history only in 1721, in order to claim the lands of the former Kyivan Rus. Actually, it was an invention of the Rusin/Ukrainian people of Kyiv-Mohyla academy, who was oppressed by Polish people in  "Polish, Lithuanian, Ruthenian Commonwealth of Nations". the Ukrainians were Orthodox, and therefore invented an alliance with the Muscovites. And in Moscow at that time there was not even a higher educational institution. That is why the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy later opened a Slavic Latin Greek Academy in Moscow and Slavic Latin Greek Academy in Iiasy (now - Academia Vasiliană). The fact that the word Slavs is used in the name of the academy shows that Ukrainians(rusines/ruthenians in those times)  did not consider Muscovites to be Slavs, as well as Romanians. They teached Slavic language for moscovites as foreign. 
So, why we use wrong name in article for Muscovites and Muscovy? Bodia1406 (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The charter literally says "Russia", so your claim is bullshit and you were already alerted about CTs. Mellk (talk) 03:30, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the people and the state?