Talk:Marian High School (Michigan)

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message: :Due to WP:Living, I have immediately removed the names of the individuals in the LGTB controversy's section. --Zfish118⋉talk 18:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the 2007 article cited only mentions the 2006 dismissal. It describes the dismissee's, then recently published, memoir and associated book tour. There is nothing there other than an allegation that "she was fired last year for going public about her sexuality" in her book. The 2006 dismissal was used as background after an eight year gap. I could not find if there was a lawsuit or a complaint filed and do not think it was significant coverage. Rob () and JonRidinger () summed up the BLP about the 2014 dismissal well. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I heavily disagree with you that the name of the teacher from 2014 should be removed. See the sources I cited above; this teacher's name was widely reported in national coverage and she herself spoke out about the firing, so sections like WP:AVOIDVICTIM and WP:BLPNAME don't seem to apply. I would believe differently if the teacher had acted to conceal her name (or even done nothing), but she actively sought media attention and it was achieved. I don't see how a mention of the name is a BLP violation in that situation. Could you cite a specific sentence or section of the BLP policy that supports this removal? ~ RobTalk 21:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: BLP or not, I wouldn't mention the specific person anyway, similar to not mentioning specific non-notable coaches, teachers, and/or administrators (like mentioning the coach of a state championship athletic team). Again, in the greater scope of the article, this is not a major event in the school's history, so a great deal of detail isn't needed. --JonRidinger (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we decide how "major" the event was? I would point to reliable sources to do so, and the reliable sources show this as the most major event in school history. Even ignoring the fact that we must go by reliable sources, it's exceptional for a high school to reach national headlines. I think this is pretty major by any definition of the word. ~ RobTalk 22:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTNEWS probably applies here, to some degree, somehow, although I honestly don't know how it would be best applied here. If the school is notable, and I think it clearly is, then there is also the matter of whatever official or unofficial style guidelines we might have for schools in general, as well as, I suppose, WP:WEIGHT. Most of the content about this event seems to be related to that event alone. If there were any sort of encyclopedic overview article out there about the school as a school, it might be a good indicator of how to structure the article, but I don't know of any, or even where one might find them. Of course, if anyone does know anything about MOS for schools or reference sources on schools, I think we would all love to see them. John Carter (talk) 22:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Comment: High schools are considered inherently notable in the manual of style, so there is no need to justify the existence of the Wikipedia article due to a controversy.  As for including the names, being fired, whatever the reason, is adverse information, and should only be included when vital to understanding the controversy. --Zfish118⋉talk 16:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't this change when the subject themselves publicizes it, however? As a side note, I don't think this adequately represents current policy. A name is never necessary to describe any controversy, since we could just say "Person X" and it would mean the same thing, but we regularly match names to controversies when they're well-reported in reliable sources because that's part of being an encyclopedia. For instance, names are named in Catholic Church sexual abuse cases. There is clearly something more complicated than "This is potentially adverse, so leave it out." WP:NPOV and WP:BLP don't demand that we purge negative information, but then again I don't even think this is negative given that the subject herself spoke out here. ~ RobTalk 16:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a matter of proportion.  WP:Bio specifically warns about including too much detail about living persons of marginal notability.  A women being fired for otherwise legal behavior that violated her contract is very different than major felonies committed by persons holding a position of public trust. --Zfish118⋉talk 01:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Another technical issue is this article should also be moved to Marian High School (Michigan) since there aren't any other Marian High Schools in Michigan, though that will need an administrator to do so. The disambiguation part of the title should be minimized and the only time a city name should be included is if there's more than one in the same state. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move