Talk:Baháʼí Faith

message: I have  added some info on this with links and references on a number of pages including the Panentheism  page. Cyrus19Baha (talk) 12:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You should start by noting the welcome message left for you suggesting getting used to Wikipedia needs for citations and scholarly reliable sources. I'm not saying your effort was entirely off base but your points need to use citations and not the ones common in Baha'i circles of just using what we internally accept as authoritative. In Wikipedia "authoritative" are such published materials as through vetted venues like scholarly journals or publishing houses like universities and such foremost. I think the direction you were going in could be well developed but you desperately need to learn to cite materials in a wikipedia-savvy way first. I suggest learning how to use a sandbox area, study citation syntax, and develop your sources. Smkolins (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like I have done that now. Please take a look. Cyrus19Baha (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you mean God_in_the_Baháʼí_Faith#Two_Positions_and_Panentheism I don't see your suggestion of improvements. Please be specific where you think you are improving where you wrote. As is this will have to be removed as it makes all kinds of unsupported statements.Smkolins (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This whole section is written by me. Cyrus19Baha (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware - but I don't see any sources. See your talk page. Smkolins (talk) 12:56, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I’ll work it on that. Cyrus19Baha (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panentheism  

message: and , I wanted to briefly follow up on a talk page discussion here last year (see here). Both of you had put forward some tentative proposals for reorganizing the page, and I raised some objections at the time and said I'd follow up but never did. At this point I don't have a clear idea of the exact way the page should be organized and I would probably support whatever someone else implements as long as it's clear and neutral. I don't plan on doing any major rework of the page. I could help out here and there if someone else was reorganizing - though I don't know if either of you plans on this now that the FAR is over. Gazelle55 Let's talk! 02:23, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Some miscellaneous thoughts on the previous discussion while it's fresh in my mind – in case an editor decides to rework the page at some point. A few books were suggested there that could be used as models for the organization. I think the source by Warburg (2001) looks the most promising since it's about the right length and generally uses simple headings that could be understood by someone with no background on the Baha'i Faith. However, I don't think the current headings are terrible and it might make more sense to make incremental improvements to the organization rather than redoing the whole page in a sandbox. I do like how she has sections for prayer and the nineteen-day fast rather than folding them inconspicuously into "Exhortations". I don't really like "Fundamental beliefs" as a heading (why not just "Beliefs"?) and "Baha'is in the world" strikes me as too vague to be helpful to readers. During the FAR someone commented about how some parts before the "History" section were hard to understand because they referred to various Baha'i leaders who hadn't been introduced yet, so perhaps the history should appear earlier or else some of the descriptions above it should be clarified. I think sections for "Administration" and "Criticism" would also be valuable additions. Gazelle55 Let's talk! 02:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note Gazelle55. I also saw the archiving of that discussion and lamented the lack of action. I have a great interest in doing the re-org on this page and Baha'u'llah but it would take a long time, maybe 20+ hours per page. It's definitely on my radar and when I get around to it I'll be requesting comment. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 19:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

text:  While I have been somewhat active in some research and publishing, I too have interest. Just now - last couple weeks - I've been dealing with a fairly severe case of covid. But thanks for reaching out. So many things to be done! :-) Smkolins (talk) 10:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow-up on reorganization discussion 

message: I have begun to experiment with Wikidata items as an efficient way to include reliable sources in articles I am editing. I am sharing these items as a resource in my user page space here.
One advantage of the use of the Cite Q template is that the same Qnumber can be cited in any language in Wikipedia.
One disadvantage is that you need to add the </nowiki}}
Once a Wikidata bibliographic item has been created and all the properties have been added: author, date, title, DOI, ISBN, etc have been entered, it will generate the complete reference. 
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* You can use the cite Q template with the <nowiki>  You can see the result in the reference section below.
* Or you can use the </ref> by manually adding <nowiki> to the References. The example will not work in the talk page, only in the main article. The Abdolmohammadi article is newly published.
Anyone can edit and/or create Wikidata items. 
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I hope this is helpful. I would like to share this with other Baha'i-related articles and with Baha'i project, Baha'i Faith. Oceanflynn (talk) 03:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Using Wikidata items to facilitate generation of references

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