Talk:Nicole Kidman/Archive 1

message: WRT Nicole's origins, she self-identifies as Australian (at least in Australia), spent most of her childhood there, trained there, had her first acting roles there, still has all her family there, etc. etc - so I don't think it's accurate to describe her as American.  However, seeing her biography discusses her origins in some detail I think it's probably easiest to let people read that and make up their own mind as to her national identity.
Doesn't she LIVE in Sydney now? User:Mark Ryan
She is an Australian citizen, her parents are (and always have been) Australian citizens. Her adopted children have Australian and US Citizenship. Her parents were Australian working for an American business, hence her foreign birth. She lives in Watson's Bay in Sydney, although she has apartments in the US and UK. - User:MMGB
Though the facts on Birth could be correct. Could someone maybe change the wording to have a less negative POV sound? I doubt people walked out during the film, because it has yet to premier - MacGyverMagic User:MacGyverMagic
Can someone confirm the pre-screening of Birth was during the film festival of Cannes? Mgm|(talk) 10:28, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC) This website certainly says so Peter Shearan 11:29, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:03, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Icon Project 

message: I included a screencap from BMX Bandits, yet it was removed by Yamla, who claimed that there was already too many images. I included the image because every other image on the page is from her more recent career. I thought the BMX Bandits image (from 1983) provided a good example of her evolving career. I would like to add the image again, but want to give Yamla the opportunity to explain his/her reasoning. Cnwb 04:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support putting that image back - it fits in well with the early career section and (IMO) doesn't overlaod the article with too many images. -- Ian ≡ talk 04:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I would support reinserting the image.Amerindianarts 05:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I still think there are would be far too many pictures.  However, I rather like the idea of putting an earlier picture of Kidman on the page, particularly one with hair like that.  Could we consider replacing an existing picture?  --Yamla 14:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I withdraw my objection.  On numerous other pages I have edited, the rule (enforced by others) has been one image per article unless the image is specifically relevant to an area of the article.  However, I can find no such recommendation in the Wikipedia guides so it would seem we can have as many pictures as we wish.  The only limiting factor would be, obviously, that we want the article to feel appropriate.  --Yamla 18:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree that photos should be limited.  I would have no objections to removing the promotional poster images for particular films.  It is a matter of preference, but I prefer the natural photos over the "Posed" images in the promos. Amerindianarts 23:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BMX Bandits image 

message: thats not a fact still just a rumor no one has said that adurey is the face of chanel yet at all untill they do its rumor shes doing the chanel bio film but so far not that     —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.206.205 (talk) 04:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  chanel No5 replaced 

message: Kidman is known to make more Bombs (of the Box office kind) than Hamas and Hizbullah put together!
Her films are considered real stinkers.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.132.242 (talk) 13:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career Achievement 

message: The photo at the top of Wikipedia's page about Nicole Kidman may not be of Nicole Kidman. Although it has a resemblance to Nicole Kidman it is clearly not Nicole Kidman. The colour of the eyes is wrong to begin with, Nicole Kidamn has blue eye this picture has dark brown.
If any one has an actual photo of Nicole Kidman could you please update the photo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.225.88 (talk) 13:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kidman04.jpg 

message: she is the most wonderful actress in the world!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.29.1.176 (talk) 22:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you check you will find that she didn't move to Australia until she was four. --Yamla 21:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The facts are she is an Academy awarding winning actress, born in the US, lived here until she was four, and now has dual citizenship and residences in both countries.  These are the facts, which is what we deal with here at Wiki.  Not supposition. If you have a reputable source (most ezines and mags are not reputable) stating she is in fact Australian,then cite your source.  Reference in the article to her being "Australian" needs to cited. If you state she is, you need to cite it. Lack of reference to her being either does not. User:Sliat 1981 has continually disrupted the editing process despite the history of this article and the consensus.  Continual disruption means they should be taken to task. The only claim being made is by User:Sliat 1981, and stating dual citizenship does not make the claim, as this user suggests ("you'd like to claim her as one of your own", as stated above), that she is an "American".  The facts are stated in dual citizenship. Amerindianarts 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Since April 2002 Australia does recognise dual citizenship - see Australian citizenship#Dual Citizenship.  --  JackofOz 05:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, she was born an Australian citizen because her parents had Australian citizenship.  She was also born an American citizen because she was born in Hawaii.  She has been a dual American and Australian citizen from birth, and naturalisation never had anything to do with it.  But she considers herself Australian first and foremost, as does the rest of the world.  --  JackofOz 05:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Born 

message: Why has this article been put in :Category:Gay icons, again?  The word "gay" and "icon" do not appear anywhere in the article.  There is no text to support this claim.  There should be a quote of somebody somewhere saying Kidman is a "gay icon".  Wikipedia should not be a publisher of original opinion.  Also, please don't respond by citing sources here.  If sources exist, please put them into the actual article.  Until the sources are included, this article is going against verifiability policy.  If it's important to say she is a gay icon, then its important to actually say it in the body of the article.  Also note, being a gay icon, means more then having some gay fans (anybody with a couple dozen fans, probably has gay fans, after all).  --Rob 07:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gay icon again 

message: One thing that I feel should be mentioned would be the fact that she is a verified XY female. Thats the reason why her children are adopted btw, she is infertile and doesnt have a uterus/ovaries. 67.182.22.63 23:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, right.  Please stop vandalising Wikipedia with your insane theories.  That's what blogs are for.--Yamla 00:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not an insane theory. XY female are such because they are biologically male but lack a functional gene for testosterone receptors in various organs. They are physiologically no different from any normal woman, other than the fact that they do not have a functioning reproductive system. Some people believe quite firmly that some well-known people such as Nicole Kidman or Jamie Lee Curtis are in fact, such XY females. Putting a vandalism tag on my comment page for putting forth a theory on a talk page is a bit over the top isnt it? 67.182.22.63 01:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a citation that verifies this "fact".  Also, please provide some explanation on how Ms. Kidman could become pregnant if she is in fact a verified XY female.  I really do not think the vandalism tags were unwarranted here.  --Yamla 01:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The wikipedia article on XY Female states that such a person can become pregnant via embryo implantation.  I wholehearted agree that a reliable reference would be needed for this theory to be included in the article of course. Gomez2002 (talk) 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I resisted commenting on this earlier. Now it's 3 am and I'm punchy so... I guess Keith has cleared that Urban myth up. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy theory 

message: BMX Bandits is probably her best movie to date as it required little or no acting talent
:-S
*If this is an expert opinion then you would think the writer would have the balls to sign their name.Amerindianarts 04:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ????? 

message: The paragraph about her wedding with Keith Urban contains personal remarks and conversational style. Needless to say, it is - sporadically - not well-written. Also, who cares enough for ALL the details of her wedding? The paragraph provides way too many information and it is far larger in comparison to other paragraphs that contain more interesting and vital information. It should contain less information. I wonder how the author doesn't mention her underwear brand (worn especially for the wedding), must have slipped him/her! I seriously think her acting work and her life with Tom Cruise (if we need to consider some "personal life" information) are far more important as it is, than the lengthy description of her wedding. Some people just maniacally write down huge amounts of very recent information, as if Wikipedia is E!News or something.
Xanthi22 21:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You missed my sarcasm of E!Online and People as reputable sources!  I've edited the personal life section down to the basic facts. --Steve 00:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wedding paragraph 

message: Dead Calm was a Warner Bros film, directed by Philip Noyce, so how can the article talk about Days of Thunder as her American debut? --Steve 00:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Debut 

message: According to the NNDB, her father is of Jewish ancestry? Is that true? I've never seen any reliable sources for it. It could or probably is more NNDB crap, but if anyone knows for sure.... Mad Jack 07:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: not impossible as there has been significant Jewish immigration to Australia. Arniep 03:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the case, "Jewish blood" does not read well and it should also not be in the header imho. It should be under early life, family background or the like if mentioned at all. In the past I would have removed this unless it could be clearly established by numerous reliable sources. I will not edit this now however.--Tom 21:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite correct. It's a weird mistake for the NNDB to make. Not because they're reliable or anything like that - they've made a boatload of mistakes. It's just that they usually copy other peoples' mistakes and not make up their own ones. Anyway, I was the one who added the info currently in the article (i.e. her mother's Scottish ancestry, etc.) from a book bio of Kidman. I couldn't find anything else. If anyone has a reliable source for any other ancestry, great. If not, not. As for being pro-Israel, a ton of people who are not Jewish at all are pro-Israel, including half the people who signed the petition or letter that Kidman did in August. Mad Jack 06:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Hollywood' tends to know on which side their bread is buttered!  And I removed the sentence from the lead until a citation that Nicole Kidman herself identifies in any way.  And then it can go in the body somewhere.  --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  08:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish ancestry? 

message: I think this article should be locked until mediation...etc sorts out this issue over if she is to be listed as Australian or American.
But here is some food for thought - Russell Crowe is listed as "New Zealand-Australian film actor"
--Mikecraig 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same is said of country singer Keith Urban.  Either American or Australian makes a claim that is not really lead paragraph material, but if she considers herself as Australian it can be intergrated in the main body where her dual nationality is again mentioned. Amerindianarts 03:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There are always poor articles that can be used as evidence for most failings of Wikipedia ;)  However, in this case, Kidman is a dual national, and the article lists her nationalities.  That is encyclopaedic and those are the facts.  Describing her as Australian without any citation is against WP:BLP.  Most Autralians see her as a fellow Australian, as they (cautiously) embrace anyone who has made in big in the US, but the fact she holds a US passport is probably unknown to most. --Steve 23:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's true of some, but not of Kidman, who was enthusiastically embraced long before she embarked upon a US career.  She was born to an Australian family, temporarily living in the US when she was born and lived for her first four years, and she was raised in Australia, and began her career in Australia.  It's no stretch of the imagination that she would identify as Australian, despite the circumstance of her birth.  Would "American-born Australian actress" work?  The dual nationality situation is mentioned, and this provides further clarification.  As User:Amerindianarts noted,  her self-identity can be integrated into the main article (with a source backing up her own viewpoint as an Australian.)  It shouldn't be too hard to find a quote/source where Kidman explains how she views herself and this could also be included. Someone else pointed out that Olivia de Havilland was born in Japan, but is not described as a Japanese actress.  This is a similar situation. Rossrs 23:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without reverting some bad revision on a protected page, I have to note, that "Australian" must be taken out.  If Nicole Kidman holds dual citizenship, then she is not simply Australian.  Putting Australian-American at the beginning of the article is additionally confusing.  Saying that she believes herself Australian is not enough.  You have to back it up with documentation.  I would, however, be surprised if Ms. Kidman were to publically renounce an American citizenship, as it the United States where most of her bread is buttered.  Her publicist has probably advised her against it.  Bastiq▼e demandez 02:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Good points.Amerindianarts 02:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the protection on this article.  The use of the term Australian in the opening sentence must be sourced with clear proof of Kidman's self-identification as Australian.  The Request for Mediation has seemingly died, however, it may not have been appropriate to begin with.  Unsourced information is simply not included in articles when challenged.  If this commences again, I advise the involved individuals to file a Request for Comment.  Bastiq▼e demandez 01:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In view of the constant revision and lack of discussion attempting to resolve the issue the request for mediation was entirely appropriate.  It initiated a process of resolution even if the mediators ignored the problem. Amerindianarts 01:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mediators did not ignore the problem. The Mediation cabal is severely overworked and understaffed.  Mediation is best when there are more than one problem editors, and this is why I suggested another forum may be ultimately best.  Bastiq▼e demandez 02:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I would say he is confused on certain points, as are the edits you propose.  He is indigenous to New Zealand.  He may consider himself as an Australian, but the facts of citizenship dictate that he is also New Zealander (has he denounced that citizenship recently? Please inform me.).  The facts belong in an opening paragraph. What he considers himself is fodder for the article content, as is his speaking for Kidman. His comment doesn't make it fact.  Now, that was simple, wasn't it?Amerindianarts 10:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, I have to say that your assertion that he might be confused does smack of just a little bit of arrogance on your part, no offence intended. I have no knowledge of what citizenship Urban may hold at present, but I do not believe this to be of any particular relevance anyway. As far as I am aware Urban grew up in Australia and it would appear that he certainly regards himself as being an Australian, which is hardly unexpected. Yes, he may also be a New Zealander, but as far as I can tell in the field of country music his *nationality* is Australian. It is as a result of this kind of unsophisticated approach to matters, a fixation on the vagaries of citizenship and the like, that we end up with ridiculous arguments such as whether Kidman is an Australian or American. As far as I and the vast majority of the world is concerned Nicole Kidman has always been Australian, so it seems silly for wikipedia to even contemplate contradicting this. Kidman is an Australian actress who also happens to holds American citizenship. It is as simple as that. Ernest the Sheep 00:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No, and so it's reverted.  Still looking for a reference that states she considers herself Australian, over and above American. And, considering her lifestyle is funded by Hollywood, that is proving hard to find. --Steve 01:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I "love" how these "people" are putting up dodgy articles to justify this issue on the Aus v US citizen issue - what would be awesome if someone could get a statement from Kidman's management/agent regarding this. --Mikecraig 01:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even in the case of a non-dodgy citation the info is hardly lead paragraph material in this case, but I'm not going to get into a revert war again with a user who refuses to reason, or engage in discussion as to consensus on the issue. Communication and mutual intelligibilty are lacking here. Amerindianarts 02:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: After checking various bios (Mel Gibson, Russell Crowe, Naomi Watts, Keith Urban, Errol Flynn) and the list of Australian actors it seems the Wiki precedent is to name the person as to citizenship. Gibson is listed as "American" stating that he maintained US citizenship after moving to and living in Australia for twelve years. One would assume that perhaps his family may have applied for Aussie citizenship after all those years, but the article does not refer to citizenship as such and lists him as an American actor, and he is included on the Wiki list of Australian actors. Flynn is listed as Australian: there is no reference to American citizenship (he may not have applied). Others are listed according to birthplace and applied citizenship. Amerindianarts 00:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian/American 

message: Quick Time is free, you don't have to buy it to be able to watch Quick Time movies. In addition they can be played with VLC media player which is open source. Hence I will reinsert the links. And you even deleted the YouTube link. 84.41.34.154 08:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look again. The YouTube link disappeared on an edit by 85.55.177.168, not my edit.  When I went to the link you posted and tried to open the file it offered Quick Time for $29.95.  I saw no free offer. Wiki is not too fond of these type of links (media), they really don't offer much info to be substantiated by a point in the article, which is the purpose of external linking. They also don't like links with downloads unless the download license can be verified. You might check this first.Amerindianarts 09:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick Time 

message: The description of her as being Australian-American is outright embarrassing. I can't recall ever hearing or reading such a statement elsewhere. She is universally regarded as being an Australian actress. So how about we exercise a little bit of common sense and change it back to just Australian? Who else agrees?Ernest the Sheep 22:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it, though I must admit I don't recall if that was the consensus of the RfC.  --Yamla 22:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mediation is still open closed --Steve 23:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She was born in the USA and holds dual citizenship. The current lead looks ok to me except I might put American before Australian :) Just kidding, keep as is is fine --Tom 21:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicole Kidman is an Australian 

message: A couple of people have been adding in an unsourced statement that Nicole's father Dr Anthony Kidman died in 2001. I believe this is a hoax and should be reverted on sight per WP:BLP. A quick Google search pulls up plenty of references that indicate he was alive at least as recently as October 24, 2006 . Please revert this information if it continues to show up without sources. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Kidman 

message: So whoever keeps putting that back in, get a life. They didn'tknow she was pregnant when they decided to end their relationship. He was not the cause of the miscarriage, she's pretty much never spoken about it.Johnpedia 23:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Cruise did not leave her knowing she was pregnant and be the cause of miscarriage 

message: If you've ever seen her in Eyes Wide Shut, she's clearly neither.
In keeping with avoiding sexist language wherever possible, i any reference to nicole kidman as an actress to an actor. It is taken for granted that she is female, and while actor is the normative, supposedly generic term, actress seems to suggest that she is a deviation to this norm. i urge everyone to assist in making these changes wherever possible and maintaining their edits to this regard. 
additionally, terms such as 'comedienne', 'murderess' and 'chairman' should be changed to their gender neutral equivilants wherever possible, sensical and relevant. Character234 04:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but that's nonsense. There's nothing sexist about words like that and changing them is just pandering to the PC brigade. SteveLamacq43 14:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that should be "butchress" and "doctress" ;-) Murderess is (or used to be) a widely-used word, but I think you're right in that "-ress" is a kind of diminutive. I can't see why anyone would object to gender-neutral terms, especially when it doesn't involve neologisms like "actperson". The use of "she" and her" in the article makes it clear that Kidman is female, so "actor" would be better, unless its a proper name like "Academy Award for Best Actress". Grant65 | Talk 13:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actress vs actor 

message: I thought I read somewhere once that she was born in Hawaii.  Doesn't that rate a mention somewhere?
:It's mentioned in the second sentence! --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  22:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  birthplace 

message: Can be viewed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicole_Kidman&diff=104509876&oldid=104504403 -- CyberAnth 04:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Refs were added, not sure why you removed it again, but I've reverted your change. --Steve  (Slf67)  talk  05:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed uncited content per BLP 

message: Looking at this article, I was wondering if the exhaustive awards list is necessary. They're all important awards, but having a long list of awards and nominations just looks tacky, in my opinion. Perhaps they could just be mentioned in the career section and as special notes in the filmography, instead of being a separated section? I'd be willing to help with that if the rest of you agree. What do you all think? - Lulu288 00:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards List 

message: The article says that she suffered a miscarriage. Kidman has recently denied that it was a miscarriage (see this or this article). She says it was actually an ectopic pregnancy. I am changing the information in the article, unless anyone has any objections? --DearPrudence 03:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscarriage - false 

message: *
:Source could be used in this article.  Cirt (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely that this has cropped up/will pop up in other sources as well.  Cirt (talk) 19:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicole Kidman "wants her kids out" of Scientology 

message: I'm somewhat surprised there has not been mention of her alleged cosmetic procedures as of yet. 
Kidman has denied that she has any work done; - 'not even botox'. 
'Nicole Kidman insists she hasn't had plastic surgery':
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22704246-5005368,00.html
Kidman - botox speculation:
http://celebritycosmeticsurgery.blogspot.com/search/label/Nicole%20Kidman
===Surgeons Weigh In===
This cosmetic surgery centre states outright that Nicole Kidman has had rhinoplasty (a nose job):
'Greats like Marilyn Monroe, Nicole Kidman, and Halle Berry have all had a rhinoplasty'.
http://www.ljcsc.com/articles/considering_rhinoplasty.html
These gentlemen too:
 'Whenever you look at Nicole Kidman lately, it is obvious that she is having quite a bit of work done lately. Besides the obvious Botox injections that she has been having, her new nose is quit obvious with its much smaller nostrils. Even the tip of her nose is markedly smaller and shorter'.
http://www.plasticsurgeons.com/resources/hollywood-nose-jobs.htm
===Before and After Photos===
'Nicole Kidman and Plastic Surgery':
http://plasticsurgeryphotos.blogspot.com/2007/08/nicole-kidman-and-plastic-surgery.html
'Nicole Kidman Plastic Surgery':
http://www.stars-plastic-surgery.com/nicole-kidman-plastic-surgery.html
===Sharon Osbourne's Public Allegations of Botox===
Sharon Osbourne publicly attacked Kidman's plastic surgery denials, causing a kerfuffle in October 2008:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1076534/Plastic-surgery-lover-Sharon-Osbourne-attacks-Nicole-Kidman-having-forehead-like-flatscreen-TV.html
Regards, 
Tiberius Aug (talk) 02:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicole Kidman and Cosmetic Surgery 

message: Sharon Osbourne publicly attacked Kidman's plastic surgery denials, causing a kerfuffle in October 2008:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1076534/Plastic-surgery-lover-Sharon-Osbourne-attacks-Nicole-Kidman-having-forehead-like-flatscreen-TV.html
Regards, 
Tiberius Aug (talk) 02:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sharon Osbourne's Public Allegations of Botox