Talk:Tokusatsu

message: Respectfully suggest that because Magma Taishi was never known in English as Ambassador Magma, it makes no sense to force Space Giants to be Ambassador Magma. In English, the show was most widely known as Space Giants, this is an English-language wiki, therefore Space Giants is the appropriate name of this article. The Hokkaido Crow 29 June 2005 06:57 (UTC)
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With all due respect, whether you know the show as Ambassador Magma, The Space Giants, Space Avenger, Monsters from Outer Space, etc., there's no denying that the character Ambassador Magma at least had a history.
One can always learn about The Space Giants through Ambassador Magma, just as one can learn about, say, Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot through Giant Robo or Battle of the Planets through Gatchaman.  Ryuuseipro
Japanese series with name changes are in an unusual position because due to the way fans use original sources, titles and characters are often more widely known by their non-American names in America than by their American names (cf. Usagi_Tsukino).  Google shows 862 hits for "Ambassador Magma" and 853 for "Space Giants" (including several false hits). Ken Arromdee 18:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: Aside from the racism and Americanization issues mentioned earlier on the discussion page, there is also a serious problem with the article concerning NPOV in the section "Realism" and all of the sections after it until the end of the article.  The author(s) are obviously sympathizing with the Tokusatsu creators way too much, labeling America as cynical and acting like these movies were bullied out of the limelight in the United States.  The movies are well known among most of the population, and they are well liked, if for different reasons.  With all due respect, you can't pretend a film is up there with Citizen Kane when it primarily relies on special effects and the special effects aren't too good.  The Tokusatsu films are an important part of cinematic history, but they aren't any messiah.--67.184.163.248 23:48, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unequal POV 

message: While I'm going to steer clear of much of the controversy regarding this page, I will suggest omitting the use of exclamation marks.  If this is to have the proper tone for a reference piece, then some of the enthusiasm implied within just doesn't work.  
or even tokusatsu kantoku (特撮監督), which is Japanese for, appropriately enough, "special effects director"!
We're here to inform people of the concept, not convince them of its viability as a medium.  Wikipedia is not an advertising medium - it is intended to be impartial and factual.  Please always keep that in mind.
So now I return to adding the last touches (for tonight) on the Karaoke Revolution song list, in which the Japanese "anime songs" compilation inexplicably includes tokusatsu themes (and before anyone goes gallivanting off to blame the Americans, it was Konami who perpetrated that themselves).  ^_^
Cheers!
Miwa 08:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: #In-line citations please, first of all.
#Please eliminate weasel words.  Stuff like One of the things that Japanese live-action fantasy is usually criticized for by non-fans in America is not sourced.  Who is saying this?  All of this should be sourced.
#Fandom is not relevent here.  It appears that some fan films are notable, but a major part of the "criticism" and the fandom sections appear to be pits so people can bash tokusatsu.
#Tone is an issue here.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia here to report facts, without any loaded language.  "Sadly, the jargon suitmation is mostly extinct today" is not necessary.  Just state that it's no longer used.
This article has six templates.  I'd like to get it down to at least three. Hbdragon88 06:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I almost destroyed the newly-renamed "United Sates view" because all it looks like is a pit of whiny complaints about Super Sentai vs. Power Rangers. Hbdragon88 07:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cleanup needed 

message: I'm really tempted to add something along the lines of the following to the page...
-- Schnee (cheeks clone) 22:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag overload 

message: Mediation is required for Tokusatsu.  User:FasterPussycatWooHoo is certainly correct in stating that there are at least a dozen other Anime topics covering the same material here, and as it is, Tokusatsu is a duplication of/or being text duplicated in other parts of Wikipedia.  I realize that the people here have strong opinions of what Tokusatsu means.  However, a Blog entry as a reference certainly doesn't have any credibility to me, and it indicates to me a serious lack of credible citations that prove that the current encyclopedic entry is verifiable, WP:NPOV, and not just a general belief.  I will be happy to support keeping Tokusatsu in a cleaned-up form if suitable citations can be provided, but I haven't seen them yet. Gohiking 17:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is a goal of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tokusatsu to work on cleaning up all articles we can that our topic covers, but I doubt that anime discusses the work of Eiji Tsurubaya or suitmation is covered anywhere else but their own articles. We will be working on improving this article, and it will be to a point that it discusses what makes it unique (which FasterPussyCatWooHoo does not appear to see).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Improving things is a better direction to take than degrading them to the point of uselessness. --Masamage 22:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: a dozen other Anime topics covering the same material here — anime is animated, that which is discussed on this page is live action; thus an overlap is unlikely. :] --Keitei (talk) 23:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation Required 

message: If you look towards the bottom of this article, you'll notice a ==References== section. These are the references. Therefore, an  tag is uncalled for. I'm sure that all the editors working to rewrite and improve this article are aware that it needs inline citations and better referencing, but a huge tag at the top does nothing. If you want to help, please add s where you think something should be cited instead. Cheers! --Keitei (talk) 19:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A references section at the bottom is entirely pointless unless readers know what fact comes from which source (so that they can verify it too).  Because of a complete lack of any in-line citations, I don't know what has been cited or not, which sections still need verification and which do not.  If I were to tag the article with , nearly every sentence would be tagged, which woudl be even more disruptive and less helpful than the "huge tag at the top." Hbdragon88 22:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please don't add {{tl|unreferenced}} tag 

message: I've translated the remaining Japanese titles into their respective English titles (using the official U.S. release title where able) and linked them to the appropriate articles if they exist. I've kept the links to the Japanese pages for movies that don't have a corresponding English article in hopes that perhaps someone will translate them and add them to Wikipedia. -Jacquismo 01:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated series list

message: I've removed G-Savior from the list. It in no way reflects the Tokusatsu genre. The only special effects in it are CG and the standard theatrical affairs. Also, the movie was written and filmed in Canada. If you were to leave it on the list, you'd have no reason to not add other moves to the list, like The Marix, X-Men, or even shows like Heroes or The 4400. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.7.201.100 (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  G-Savoir? 

message: Just wondering, why is there a "Criticism" section? There's not even anything there! All it does is take up space. Besides, when there was actually stuff in it, it was, as Hbdragon88 said, just "pits so people can bash tokusatsu." So, since this section serves no purpose anyway, I'm going to delete it.  Cabbage-Sama 16:45, 13 February 2008
:We haven't written it yet. Leave it until we get content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was several months, and then it kept being filled with unsourced criticism. I deleted it because it brought no good.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism Section

message: Following on from the somewhat agressively named accusations on the Administrators' noticeboard:
It surprised me to find vigorous opposition to my normal and literal use of "whom" tags in this article. The WP:WEASEL style guideline states: "Most critically, editors should not use passive voice constructs to avoid attributing words or actions to the appropriate speaker or subject, or to omit any other important detail from a sentence." The "whom" tag simply asks for more detail: who did or commissioned some dubbing from Japanese to English? for example. If such dubbing gets a mention, it has some importance/notability. Our encyclopedia can do without the conventional assumptions that such things "just happen", and give credit where appropriate or known. The tag provides a co-operative means whereby knowledgeable and less knowledgeable editors can collaborate in enriching and expanding articles, no? -- HoundsOfSpring (talk) 06:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This does make more sense then.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Whom" tags 

message: @Ryulong:  Okay, let's talk.  This original American show was a ripoff of Power Rangers in response to that show's popularity when it first aired in the USA.  First off:  It's a bad show with terrible production values and bad writing.  
BUT:  It's the FIRST American attempt to create an original Sentai-type show, although I'm not sure if there have been any other attempts since.  
The show's Tokusatsu/Super Sentai influence should be obvious to anybody who's watched the show.  4 young heroes transform into color-themed masked costumed heroes on a giant scale to acrobatically with rubbery costumed monsters.
So it deserves some recognition as a "Toku-influenced" production, as much as Chinese "Armored Hero" or Indonesian "Bima Satria Garuda" (neither of which would win an Emmy award for writing BTW) 
This show is not:  An adaptation of an existing Toku series  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zabadoh (talk • contribs) 00:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters From Beverly Hills (1994-95, USA)

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