Talk:East Slavic languages

message: By the sheer number of the printed books, the Old Belarusian of the 16th-17th surpassed the contemporary Great Russian (Muscovite). It is sometimes considered, although contended, too, that the even the printing tradition in 16th cent. Muscovy had been initiated either by Skaryna during his visit to Moscow (c.1520s) or by another Belarusian printer, Pyotr Mstislavets (); c.1564), together with Muscovite Ivan Fyodorov.
It is worth noting, that not only the literature in Old Belarusian, but also the Orthodox literature in Church Slavonic, if printed in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, had been met with certain suspicion and even with hostility in the contemporary Muscovy, being perceived as «spoiled by the Latin and Polish influences» and highly «un-Orthodox». It had come to book-burnings, e.g., in c.1530 (books of Skaryna) and in 1627 (books of Greek-Catholic author Trankvilion-Stawravyetski). In 1627 and in 1672, there had been decrees issued, forbidding buying or owning books «of Lithuanian [Old Belarusian] print».
:Put simply, the passage displays a nationalist outlook. The terms "Muscovite language", "Great Russian language", "Old Belarusian language" have no currency in the academia. Furthermore, the passage fails to reveal influence of "Old Belarusian" on "Muscovite" or the other way around. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This is politics, not linguistics

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message: I added it because it was at one point an official language of a country, and it has features not found in any other slavic language  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judeobasquelanguage (talk • contribs) 10:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think it is yet recognized as a distinct language (hence "dialect"), there is still uncertainty over its status. Mellk (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novgorodian 

message: This was added sometime ago by an IP but now re-added by User:X3qt. This "Central Slavic" group is not mentioned in the sources (also random lexical distance maps are used) which looks like original research instead. I cannot find the existence of this "Central Slavic" subgroup that apparently  use. Mellk (talk) 06:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Slavic languages are coming from the Dniapro river valley, like Belarusan and Ukrainian (Ruthenian), West Slavic are developed on Germanic substratum (ie Polish) and East Slavic (ie Russian) on Finno-Turkic substratum, so their lexics are incompatible between each others, with Polish being a western version and Russian an eastern one. x3qt (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @X3qt Can you provide a reliable source with a quote that directly supports the idea of a "Central Slavic" subgroup? Because your previous edits looked like original research. Mellk (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there's no "Central Slavic" references except of some fringe sources, yet "source/base/original slavic" is agreed to come from region mentioned. Do you have any proposal on more exact wording? x3qt (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to Proto-Slavic, which is also referred to as Common Slavic? Mellk (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's right. I wanted to highlight that's Dniapro river valley and it's tributaries is origin of slavic languages, and everything else is developed from it's dialects. x3qt (talk) 01:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: From it's eastern and western dialects. x3qt (talk) 01:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if this kind of detail belongs in the lead but the history section is missing any kind of mention of this. I suppose it can be mentioned there. I will look into sources but probably it can be copied from other articles. Mellk (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Central Slavic" group