Talk:Yuan Shikai

message: Was Yuan sent to America for education? I have come across some references that he attended Yale University and joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity there. I know some of his contemporaries like Zhan Tianyou were educated in New England via the Chinese Educational Mission, but see no references of Yuan's participation in this or a foreign education in the present article or any material revealed by a quick google. If anyone can shed insight this would be a nice addition to the article. -User:Lommer | talk 00:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Education? 

message: This material of mine touches on Yuan Shih-Kai's constitutional attempts: []. Perhaps people can use some of it, here and in any article on the Hartford convention. PML.
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Was Yuan ever really an emperor?  My most detailed sources indicated that he delayed his coronation repeatedly and finally abandoned his scheme altogether.  At best he would be emperor-elect. --Countakeshi 04:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was emperor, although he never coronated himself. See Empire of China (1915-1916). Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 09:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New material? 

message: Can someone please remove all of the links to years/months that have no date, as per WP policy. This is necessary to satisfy the critera for Good Article. Tony 06:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  date links 

message: I am failing the GA nomination for paucity of sources and lack on in-line citations.  The article is generally well written and covers the subject sufficiently fully but without verifiable sources it doesn't quite make the cut.  Eluchil404 12:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination has failed 

message: "The Imperial Government in Japan suggested similar ideas"
--I thought that Japan opposed any settlement that would increase political stability in China? At least, isn't that why it crushed the imperial movement later on? Brutannica 06:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan on imperial bid 

message: Um doesn't Hongxian roughly translate to 'enlightened age' or something similar? Im pretty sure it was a self-proclaimed term.
So it is essentially the Chinese equivalent to "Meiji"? Interesting. 207.112.45.19 (talk) 19:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hongxian 

message: Apparently his descendants are everywhere in the world. Someone should put up a list. Colipon+(T) 03:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: This article was recently moved from Qing Prime Ministers to Qing Dynasty Chancellors as a result of a blanket move that, seemingly, no-one noticed. I've proposed for it to be moved because it is a simple error. Please add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_22#Category:Qing_Dynasty_chancellors —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumple (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: Does anyone knows what was, if any, the name chosen by Yuan Shih-Kai to be the dynastic name (such as Ming, Qing, etc)? Hongxian seems to be his reign name  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.57.129 (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Empire of China (1915–1916).Ferox Seneca (talk) 19:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynasty name? 

message: The speed of his death after dissolution of the proposed regime is notable, and kidney failure is readily caused by poisoning.  Is there no further discussion of cause of death in the literature? – SJ + 23:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been alot written about Yuan, but I have never heard of any reference to such a plot in any account of his life.  There probably isn't any evidence to suggest that he was poisoned.Ferox Seneca (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  cause of death 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=kseZ-zeY3CoC&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 328
http://books.google.com/books?id=kX8aNxOwp34C&q=yuan+ch'ung-huan+yuan+shih-k'ai+ancestor&dq=yuan+ch'ung-huan+yuan+shih-k'ai+ancestor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCA
Pages 88 and 89
http://books.google.com/books?ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&id=S4A0AAAAIAAJ&dq=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestor&q=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestral#search_anchor
Pages 88 and 89
http://books.google.com/books?ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&id=JjEyAAAAMAAJ&dq=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestor&q=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestral#search_anchor
Primary source for wikisource
http://books.google.com/books?id=wGtxAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 03:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim of descent from Yuan Chonghuan 

message: Page 229
http://books.google.com/books?id=BsBwAAAAMAAJ&q=both+equipped#search_anchor
Title	The fall of imperial China
Transformation of modern China series
Charles C. Moskowitz Memorial Lectures
Author	Frederic E. Wakeman
Edition	illustrated
Publisher	Free Press, 1975
Original from	the University of Michigan
Digitized	Sep 9, 2008
, 9780029336908
Length	276 pages
Rajmaan (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development of Yuan Shikai's army 

message: Here is a public domain account of Yuan Shikai's manipulation of the Xinhai Revolution and how he attempted the restoration of the monarchy. Please pu on wikisource and link relevant chapter to this article.
http://books.google.com/books?id=fjoPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA374#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikisource 

message: Yuan's army was originally named the Pacification Army. Its name was changed to the Newly Created Army and during the Boxer Rebellion its name was changed to the Right Division of the Guard Army.
A fully separate article is required on this individual army, I will list the sources available here, we may need to debate about which name to choose for the article before creating it,
http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA185#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA186#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2MeUoD9G9xAC&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bwi-sUw5Z24C&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA16#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=wWvl9O4Gn1UC&pg=PA498#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuan Shikai's Army 

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