Talk:Transgender people in China

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message: Hello, I wanted to say that I am pleasantly surprised at how much has been written on transgender people in China. This is one of two topics that I will choose to help improve -- for this article, I feel that there are some statements that are either opinionated or without citations (e.g. "China and greater China... have transphobia). While that statement may or may not be correct, I feel like it is a very strong one to be making. I would also want to work on the history of transgender movements in China, as I feel that there is now more literature to expand upon what has already been written. Finally, I think that there is a very interesting relationship between gender identity, sex change, and the Chinese legal system that could potentially be informative as well. Patriqueliu (talk) 03:40, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Potentially Expanding on the Article

message: Shouldn't there be a context of specific examples about Maoism opposing transgenders?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.169.37 (talk) 06:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The attitudes of younger generations that have been less exposed to Maoist ideologies are beginning to reflect more accepting attitudes towards members of the LGBTQ+ community.[7]" 

message: The lead sentence needs to have a definition of the title topic.  This can either be bolded, or not bolded if it doesn't make sense to include the title string in the first sentence. But in either case, the definition needs to occur in sentence #1. Mathglot (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: Kamako (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to [[LGBT history in China]]

message: 首先我是一个马列毛主义者, 也是一个跨性别者.
我反对这种观点. 就实际情况而言, 我所在的地下马列毛社群当中, 能够看到支持LGBT权利的讨论. 即使偶尔出现反对者, 在一番辩论之后也能达成一致的共识.
当时一位美国的左翼朋友在Telegram当中说他非常讨厌LGBTQ, 社区中很多人都表示不理解他为什么讨厌. (实际情况是过度的LGBTQ政治正确使得他非常反感.)
中国的马列毛群体是非常割裂的, 可以简单的分为地上党和地下党. 
地下党一般零散分布在各处. 有些是在现实中推进工人权利和权力; 有些则表现为地下论坛, 致力于启蒙思想 传播理论 以及分享实践经验.
之所以是地下党, 原教旨主义者通常认为当今中国已经彻底走资本主义道路了\修正了, 通常反对当前政府, 这种意识形态是不被允许的, 政府会干预平台删除发布的内容, 甚至有时候直接上门找人.
就地下党的人员组成来看, (社群有投票统计, 参与率未知)大多还是以学生和刚工作的年轻人为主. 我们这些年轻人从小被地上党及其附属系统灌输民族主义情绪, 灌输中国的强大的一面, 等等. 但当我们年龄增大, 接触社会现实或者阅历增长或者学会了翻墙见识到了社会的不公, 就会从原有的意识型态发生转变. 
讲一句个人观点, 我相信会有越来越多的人选择共产主义, 历史上美国的政府体系被苏联渗透的连雅尔塔会议的时候罗斯福身边两个代表都全是苏联间谍, 欧洲也有大量的间谍渗透, 这不是靠利益引诱能做到的, 更何况苏联也没什么外汇.
每个人都会根据自己的经历选择自己的解释, 例如有些人被互联网上欧美的正面宣传影响较多(这在中国互联网平台是可以发出来的), 可能会选择新自由主义意识形态(他们的言论通常不会被封禁, 当然影响社会结构稳定的也会被封禁和上门.), 限于篇幅就不再赘述, 如果感兴趣可以问我.
用一段非常粗略且失真的文字描述了一下中国原教旨马列毛主义群体的情况. 希望这有助于理解中国地下马列毛组织的进步性. 
Please use machine translation. Considering that readers may use multiple translation tools to aid in their reading (as I do), I'm just leave the original text in place.
First of all, I am a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and I am also transgender
I disagree with this view. In practice, in my underground Marxist-Leninist-Maoist community, I see discussions in support of LGBT rights. Even if there are occasional opponents, a consensus can be reached after a debate
At that time, a left-wing friend in the United States said in Telegram that he hated LGBTQ very much, and many people in the community said that they did not understand why he hated it. (The reality is that he is very disgusted by excessive LGBTQ political correctness.)
The Marxist-Leninist-Maoist group in China is very fragmented and can be simply divided into above-ground and underground parties. 
Underground parties are generally scattered all over the place. Some advance workers' rights and rights in reality; Some take the form of underground forums dedicated to the Enlightenment, the dissemination of theories and the sharing of practical experiences
The reason why it is an underground party, fundamentalists usually think that China has completely taken the capitalist road revision, usually oppose the current government, this ideology is not allowed, the government will interfere with the platform to delete the content posted, and sometimes even go directly to the door
As far as the composition of the underground party is concerned, most of them are still students and young people who have just started working. We, the young people, have been indoctrinated with nationalist sentiments from an early age by the Ground Party and its affiliated systems, instilled with the strong side of China, and so on. However, as we get older, come into contact with social reality or gain experience or learn to climb over the wall to see social injustice, we will change from the original ideological type. 
Speaking from a personal point of view, I believe that more and more people will choose communism, the government system of the United States was infiltrated by the Soviet Union, even the two representatives around Roosevelt at the Yalta Conference were all Soviet spies, and there were also a large number of spies in Europe
Everyone will choose their own interpretation according to their own experience, for example, some people are more influenced by the positive propaganda of Europe and the United States on the Internet (this can be posted on Chinese Internet platforms), and may choose neoliberal ideology (their speech is usually not banned, of course, they will also be banned and visited by affecting the stability of the social structure.), I will not repeat it in limited space, if you are interested, you can ask me
A very rough and distorted passage describes the situation of the fundamentalist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist community in China. Hopefully, this will help to understand the progressive nature of the underground Marxist-Leninist-Maoist organization in China. 
---Kunyeddzz (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The attitudes of younger generations that have been less exposed to Maoist ideologies are beginning to reflect more accepting attitudes towards members of the LGBTQ+ community."