Talk:Anti-Brahminism

message: The word pair "Samana Brahmana" occurs numerous times in Pali texts  ŠRAMANA VIS-Ŕ-VIS BRÄHMANA IN EARLY HISTORY*. By. S. D. Laddu, Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute Vol. 72/73, No. 1/4, Amrtamahotsava (1917-1992) Volume (1991-1992), pp. 719-736 (18 pages)and Ashoka's Edicts. Collectively they represent the two kinds of philosophers/intellectuals. 
Samana (Shramana) includes Buddhist and Jain monks. The two quotes with the text "recluse or brahmin" are translations of समणब्राह्मणा and thus apply to both Brahmins and Buddhists/Jains and thus cannot be considered examples of Anti-Brahmanism.
You can search for text string समणब्राह्मणा in the Pali texts here: ब्रह्मजालसुत्तं  दीघनिकायो > सीलक्खन्धवग्गपाळि > ब्रह्मजालसुत्तं. You can see translation by Mahapandit Rahul Sankrityayana hereदीध-निकाय ब्रह्मजाल-सुत्त (१।१।१).
Malaiya (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: समणब्राह्मणा

message: to what version did you revert here? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:28, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This one. What this new account appears to be doing is WP:SYNTH. LearnIndology (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this article needs some improvement, beginning with decent sources for it's definition...  some time left? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Restore lead" 

message: ;Scholarly
* A Note on the Malayali Origins of Anti-Brahminism in South India
* The Brahmin double: The Brahminical construction of anti-Brahminism and anti-caste sentiment in the religious cultures of precolonial Maharashtra:
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:Interesting comment: "a Brahmin in the world of bhakti."
;Opinion
* The Colonial Genesis of Anti-Brahminism
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Can the two of you start discussing your reverts? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , we did. See . Anyways, regarding your addition to the lead, I don't think it does an adequate job of explaining what Anti-Brahminism is. Ambedkar and other reformists may have used the conception of "Brahminism" as a distinct thing but their views on what it is diverge significantly from the European Protestants whereas the the current presentation gives the impression that it's one and the same. More than anything the lead and the article itself should elaborate on the contemporary movement and should not be entirely composed of the term's reference in the colonial period which alone is not an accurate representation of the topic at large. Tayi Arajakate Talk 19:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? This is what this source says. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , because the source is about "Anti-Brahminism" in the colonial period? Specifics like "Indian culture was deemed to be corrupt and degenerate, and it's population irrational" is also only attributable to colonists and not the reformists per the source. There's an obvious issue with undue weight and presentation here. Tayi Arajakate Talk 04:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is about the origins of anti-Brahminism, and is clearly attributed to Christian colonialists. Sorry for you if you don't like those roots, but history is messy. No need to censor this. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , are you even reading what I'm saying? The subject of the article isn't the origins which is only an aspect of it and I am not saying that the origins should be censored, so please stop ascribing an intent to me, if anything I like messy histories and would like it expanded further in the section on history. I'm saying the viewpoint of the colonialists shouldn't be the only one present in the lead especially when its presentation attributes its exact formulation to everyone else which isn't verifiable from any source. It also appears that there is a debate over the origins itself per The Brahmin Double article which you have linked above but isn't used in the article, although that's a different issue. Tayi Arajakate Talk 05:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

text: , my point is that the conception at the roots shouldn't be given undue weight in the lead, which would outweigh any manual of style considerations in an under developed article like this. It would be the same as say the viewpoint of the Dravidianism derived Anti-Brahminism being the only one present in the lead. Anyways I've modified the lead, see if you agree to this version or not. Tayi Arajakate Talk 06:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts