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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please change the following lines to include the entire position of the California Democratic Party. Thx
From :  position = Center-left
To :    position = Center-left to Left-wing 98.251.7.240 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Center-left to Left-wing 

message: This page lists "Ideologies" of the California Democratic Party. If you Google search "California Democratic Party" there is an information box and within that information box there is a list of supposed "Ideologies". They are listed as "Social liberalism, Modern liberalism in the United States, Progressivism in the United States". I am proposing that this section be removed unless a reference can be provided. This is in regard to the recent controversy regarding the California Republican Party having one of their ideologies list "Nazism" on Wikipedia which resulted in the Google information box displaying "Nazism" as one of the California Republican Party ideologies. At first, Google removed "Nazism" from the ideologies list. I asked in the talk page of the California Republican Party "who determines the ideologies of a political party?" and since then the ideology box has been removed entirely (by someone else) from both the Wikipedia page and the Google information box. This is not vandalism because the California Republican Party doesn't state their ideologies on their platform or anywhere else. I cannot find anything on the California Democratic Party page that states what their ideologies are and so it should be removed from this page. 108.252.124.176 (talk) 00:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me  14:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  California Democratic Party "Ideologies" 

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message: CDP is more left-leaning than other states' Democratic Party. I think the rationale for CDP being centrist is insufficient.
Therefore, I think it is wise not to write down the political position of the CDP.--Storm598 (talk) 00:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is never a small share of democratic socialists in the party, and the conservative journalist Daily Telegraph also reported that the party is moving in a far-left direction. The Daily Telegraph, unlike yellow journalist the Daily Mail, believes it has some credibility.--Storm598 (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have appointed yourself as an expert on the ideology of people and parties, but your judgment is -- in my mind -- suspect.  Your addition of :Category:Radical to a number of pages in which the article gives absolutely no suport for it is worrisome.  Because of this, I am not inclined to accept your opinion on these matters, which is why I reverted back to the last good version of the article before your edits/  I suggest that you are not the expert that you think you are, and that you find another subject area to edit in.As to the specific case, there is no mainstream political party in the United States which is purely a left-wing party.  They are center-left incluing the CDP, whose "leftness" is not nearly as great as you're making it out to be.  And the Daily Telegraph is hardly a reliable source for what is or isn't left. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the Democratic Party of the United States is a center-left party in the U.S. political context, and in terms of South Korean political standards, the "social" stance is very left-wing. Just because American politics is more conservative than European politics does not mean that it is mail oriented by global standards. The U.S. Democratic Party is a center-left party, and there are socialists and extreme leftists in the party.--Storm598 (talk) 00:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is inappropriate to define the ideological positions of American political parties by the standards of South Korea.  This is what I mean by saying that your judgment is suspect.Yes, the US Democratic Party is center-left.  There are NO "extreme lefists" in the party.  NONE, ZERO.  The farthest left anyone goes is a couple of moderate democratic socialists.  Again your judgment on these matters is poor, and you need to edit in another area. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I live in South Korea, the largest Korean wiki classifies the U.S. Democratic Party as a social liberal and social democratic party and the Democratic Party of South Korea as a social liberal and social conservative party. South Korea's Democratic Party is much more socially conservative than the U.S. Democratic Party and has a market-controlled tendency economically, but the problem represents some of the chaebol trust interests than the U.S. Democratic Party. And there is not a single socialist in the Democratic Party of South Korea.--Storm598 (talk) 00:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) A Korean source is not appropriate. (2) A wiki is not a WP:RELIABLE SOURCE.  If you continue to make very poor edits in the area of American politics, I will eventually be forced to file a request that you be topic banned from that subject.  I suggest, again, that you find a different area to edit it.  Your edits in this area are not productive. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What moderate democratic socialist in the U.S. insists on dismantling the financial district and destroying the police organization? There is no single socialist in the Democratic Party of South Korea and only conservatives. In South Korea, the U.S. Democratic Party is perceived as left than the Democratic Party of Korea.Category:U.S Democratic Party (Namuwiki)Category:Democratic Party of Korea (Namuwiki) It is simple for me to bring up South Korea. European standards are not applicable to American politics. If the U.S. Democratic Party is not left-wing to center-left by European standards, the U.S. Democratic Party becomes far-left by Korean standards. Is Europe the standard of global politics?--Storm598 (talk) 01:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, I just don't agree that CDP is centrist. In Europe, there is also a 'center-left'(not centre to centre-left) party affiliated with social liberalism. (A typical example is the Radical Party of the Left.)--Storm598 (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Even if the U.S. Democratic Party is "Centre to Centre-left," the CDP is on the left side of the U.S. Democratic Party's average. The CDP is never a 'centrist' party.--Storm598 (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So, a couple of things. First, I am not convinced that the South Korean Wiki is a authority on American political parties any more than say, an Italian one or a Brazilian one. External perspective is useful, but not necessarily authoritative especially given that the peoples of different nations can have (positively or negatively) biased views of people in other countries. Second, I'm a member of the Executive Board of the party in question and as such, I believe I have a good sense of where members of the party stand. From that position, I would actually support the original idea of removing center-left not for any of the nonsense reasons stated above, but rather because the party is an enormous body of over 3,500 delegates and we aren't all any one thing. There are progressives and moderates and a spectrum of positions in between that recognize a diversity of thought, culture and experience that cannot be summed up in "left", "center-left" or any other such term. Glennglazer (talk) 01:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your description of the various beliefs of your members is actually covered very nicely by "center-left", which does not mean "the center of the left wing", but instead, "from the center (i.e. 'moderate') to the left (i.e. 'progressive')" and everything in-between. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what Centre-left politics says. Specifically, "...are political views that lean to the left-wing on the left–right political spectrum, but closer to the centre than other left-wing politics. " Glennglazer (talk) 01:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Centrism' and 'Centre-left' are different. 'Centre-left' refers to parties that are not completely 'left-wing' but are not completely 'Centrist'. Modern liberalism in the U.S. is recognized as a mixture of progressivism, social liberalism and social democracy in my country, and moreover, CDP is not a "Center to Center-left" party. CDP is "Center-left" party. If the U.S. Democratic Party is "Center to Center-left," then the California Democratic Party is "Center-left." and Modern liberalism is an American social democracy.--Storm598 (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

text: In addition, the Modern liberalism in the United States documentation mentions the similarities between European social democracy. Modern liberalism in the United States is a little different from general social liberalism.--Storm598 (talk) 06:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Center to Center-left? 

message: I think we should added ideology as “big tent” and put majority of the ideology and factions ideology based on the actions/speeches of major California Democratic Party’s number. The political position should be centre-right to left wing since the California Democratic Party contains Neoliberals, Modern liberals, Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists. Sirui JIN (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should stop making disruptive edits and suggestions. FDW777 (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I suggest learning about non-negotiable policies before replying any more. FDW777 (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

text: You may wish to apply that standard to your first post. Since there is nothing actionable in your first post or any subsequent post, no change to the article is needed as present. FDW777 (talk) 16:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

text: If these claims are backed up by sources, they can be added then. Vacant0 (talk) 12:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

text: could you explain your revert, considering that you did not do it in your edit summary? Vacant0 (talk) 09:19, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, here's my edit summary: "Revert POV edit". Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it POV to remove unsourced content from an article? Vacant0 (talk) 10:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you only removed that particular content, not all the similar information in the infobox.  Infobox information does not require sourcing if it is adequately sourced in the body of the article.  It is, like the lede, a summary of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why I removed that is because, if you check the article's history, a user added (Special:Diff/1153716612) the claims without providing any sources for them. As of now, it still remains unsourced. Vacant0 (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As do more than a dozen other fields in the infobox. I know - let's blank them all! Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's indeed a problem, but sources for other used parameters could be easily found online, whether it is to confirm that Gavin Newsom is actually the governor of California or if the two Senators from California are Democrats. But if you want to keep the unsourced ideologies and position then okay, good to know. Vacant0 (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No longer a problem as it has been addressed, by me. Are you now willing to remove the unsourced ideologies and position from the infobox? --Vacant0 (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting that you went and searched for sources for other parameters, but studiously avoided doing so for those in the "Ideology" field - another indication of your POV. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Position & ideology 

message: Checked other State Democratic Party pages, all of them had an ideologies and sometimes political position list besides this one. Maybe we should add it in there. I suggest political position should be centre-left or maybe centre-left to left wing since it’s generally considered more progressive than other State Democratic Parties. Kevin454123 (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for adding ideologies and political position