Talk:South India/Archive 1

message: Dravidian race and Dravidian languages
Hi AreJay,
The whole lot of information on dravidian race and languages, that you wrote on the article South India is to be included in the article Dravidian race and Dravidian languages.
The details of race and languages is to be discussed in the individual pages dealing with them. So I am deleting them from the South India page. Please add them at the respective pages of Dravidian race and Dravidian languages. Thanks for you contribution. keep writing.
here is what you wrote: (please add them at the proper pages)
=== The Race ===
The Dravidian race is the oldest existing race of humans to inhabit India. Where they came from and how they dispersed through out the subcontinent is a matter of debate, and most theories  sadly, have been not convincing enough to elict a definitive theory on this race and its history in India. 
Many accounts claim that the Dravidians were an indegenous race. Others, like Bernard Sergent's claim that this is a Afro-Uralic race and sees similarities in semantic and grammatical elements of Dravidian tongues to those in the Sahel belt, from the Sudan to Senegal. He believes that Dravidian tribes entered India from Africa about 10,000 years ago to herald in the Neolitic Revolution. 
One of his hypotheses suggests that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley were non-Dravidian and that Dravidians had already penetrated South India by the time the Harappan civilization matured, which is also contradictory to the Aryan Invasion theory.
=== Dravidian Languages ===
Dravidian languages are a distinct branch of languages, whose origins have not been traced back to any of the major linguistic family branches. Modern Dravidian languages can be divided according to region. 
National languages of India are in bold typeface.
South Dravidian Languages
Irula
Tamil
Malayalam
Kodagu (Coorgie)
Kota
Toda
Badaga
Kannada
Tulu
Central Dravidian Languages
Savara
Telugu
Gondi
Konda
Pengo
Manda
Kuri
Kuvi
Kolami
Naiki
Gadba
Parji
North Dravidian Languages
Kurukh
Malto
Brahui
Sometime during the reign of Asoka (Third century BC), Tamil and Kannada developed into distinct idioms and the two cultures separated. A third major Dravidian entity called Telugu appeared in Andhra. The oldest inscriptions in Tamil date back to 250 BC -- the language's antiquity challenged only perhaps by Sanskrit. The earliest Kannada inscriptions may be dated to 450 AD. The earliest Telugu and Malayalam inscriptions date back to 650 AD and 900 AD respectively.
Please add them at the proper pages.
thanks Robin klein 18:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dravidian Languages 

message: Dravidian languages are a distinct branch of languages, whose origins have not been traced back to any of the major linguistic family branches. Modern Dravidian languages can be divided according to region. 
National languages of India are in bold typeface.
South Dravidian Languages
Irula
Tamil
Malayalam
Kodagu (Coorgie)
Kota
Toda
Badaga
Kannada
Tulu
Central Dravidian Languages
Savara
Telugu
Gondi
Konda
Pengo
Manda
Kuri
Kuvi
Kolami
Naiki
Gadba
Parji
North Dravidian Languages
Kurukh
Malto
Brahui
Sometime during the reign of Asoka (Third century BC), Tamil and Kannada developed into distinct idioms and the two cultures separated. A third major Dravidian entity called Telugu appeared in Andhra. The oldest inscriptions in Tamil date back to 250 BC -- the language's antiquity challenged only perhaps by Sanskrit. The earliest Kannada inscriptions may be dated to 450 AD. The earliest Telugu and Malayalam inscriptions date back to 650 AD and 900 AD respectively.
Please add them at the proper pages.
thanks Robin klein 18:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dravidian Languages 

message: Ok this seems to be an issue with people misinterpreting two similar sounding words. The word Carnatic is a Sanskrit derivation which means "pleasing to the ear", and was attributed to the kind of music coming from South India. Sanskrit is a Indo-European language and is from a different family branch from Dravidian languages.
The word "Carnatic" has been in use for ages. The first Carnatic War, between the French and British took place in 1746 and what is now Madras! Back then the territories were Hyderabad, the Madras Presidency and Kingdom of Mysore. Modern states like Karnataka did not exist!
The word "Karnataka" (ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ) comes from Kannada, a dravidian language. Karnataka is derived from "karu" meaning elevated (as is the Decaan plateau) and "nadu" which means land (as in kingdom). It is also important to understand that the region that is now Karnataka was always called Mysore prior to independence and for a while even after independence, and that the modern state was christened "Karnataka" on November 27, 1950! Even to this day, Nov 27 is celebrated in the state as "Kannada Rajyotsava" (Rajyotsava means "state festival") signifying the birth of the state. There was never a use of the word Karnataka prior to this.
Therefore the portion that refers to Carnatic being a European derivation of Karnataka needs to be removed.
AreJay 20:58, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The derivation of Carnatic (as a region, as distict from a musical style) from Karnatak (i.e. Karnataka) may not in fact be a misconception. From the 1911 Encyclopedia article CARNATIC, or KARNATAK (Kannada, Karnata, Karnatakadesa): "Properly the name is, in fact, applicable only to the country of the Kanarese extending between the Eastern and Western Ghats, over an irregular area narrowing northwards, from Palghat in the south to Bidar in the north, and including Mysore."  This corresponds to the modern boundaries of Karnataka, although the territory was then administratively divided between Bombay, Hyderabad, and Mysore. It goes on to say that "Administratively the name Carnatic (or rather Karnatak) is now applied only to the Bombay portion of the original Karnata, viz, the districts of Belgaum, Dharwar and Bijapur, part of North Kanara, and the native states of the Southern Mahratta agency and Kolhapur." This region corresponds to the northwestern section of modern-day Karnataka, and doesn't jibe with Are Jay's claim that "There was never a use of the word Karnataka prior to this [1950]." So by the early 20th century, the British had figured out that they had misapplied the term to the coast, when it actually applied to the land of the Kanarese (i.e. Kannada). The style of music and the geographic region may well have different etymologies, but that doesn't necessarily negate a Dravidian origin, and later European misapplication, for the geographic term. Tom Radulovich 00:00, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, you learn something new everyday! AreJay 16:04, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carnatic vs. Karnataka 

message: Ancient Sanskrit scripts say that the Andhras were Aryans that moved towards the Southern part of India.  They are not Dravidians.
:True enough. But how does that make the residents of modern Andhra Pradesh "mostly Aryan"? The Andhra, or Satavahanas, were the ruling clan of a state based in modern-day Maharashtra, at Paithan. The state extended into Telingana, but most of the chief Satavahana rock-cut caves, cities, and seaports are in Maharashtra, not Andhra Pradesh.
:Second, evidence that the ruling clan was Aryan doesn't necessarily mean that the population was Aryan. The Franks, who ruled France and after whom it was named, were German, but does that make the modern French Germans rather than Latins? Does the fact that the Bulgars, who ruled Bulgaria and gave their name to the country, were Turks mean that modern Bulgarians are Turks rather than Slavs? Frequently in history a ruling dynasty leaves a name and linguistic traces without utterly replacing the native population; in both the case of France and Bulgaria, the Norman kingdoms in England and Sicily, as well as ruling clans of India like the Sakas, Kushanas, Mughals, Afghans, etc., the ruling clan were ultimately absorbed into the majority population.
:The recent edits, stating Telugu is in fact a 70% Indo-Aryan language and not a Dravidian language, and that the Telugu people are mostly Aryan, are presented without any supporting references, and are at odds with the general consensus of linguists and historians. I am going to revert the recent edits; could you please present your evidence here on the talk page before again making such claims in the article? Tom Radulovich 01:45, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Andhra

message: Why is it given under every state to click here for more info on the economy of the state? Is this page economically related? I think it should be changed to "Click here for more info on [STATE]"
What are your opinions?  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK
:: The particular section you refer to provides a synopsis, if you will, of the economies of the various south Indian states. Because it would be counter-productive to discuss in detail the economies of all south Indian states in the South India article, a brief summary of that state's economy, along with a link to a more detailed write-up on its economy is provided. AreJay 03:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why more info on economy? 

message: :In my personal case: better than sons :( --hydkat 07:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how are daughters viewed in indian society? 

message: The present article only just mentions about the islands being part of south India. I think the islands deserve a better representation on the page. --  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 19:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: somehow I don't understand how the islands got into this article. Its a seperate geographic entity with its own unique history. Its akin to placing Alaska in the Northwestern United States article.  --hydkat 07:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I guess you are right - I couldnt find any refernece to the islands being part of southern India.I've removed the references in the lead.  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 09:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andaman and Lakshwadeep islands 

message: Should Notes be separate from References & Bibligraphy? --hydkat 07:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes, References and bibliography 

message: south India exists not as a political unit but rather as a cultural entity. The purpose of most authors and anthropologists for using terms like german speaking world or south india is to show the way the weltanschauung of a people is distinct within a nation state (eg South India) or similar across nation states (eg Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein etc). To model the page South India on the pages on other cities or countries or state would be to lose the very purpose of writing an article on a linguistic-cultural entity. 
The sub sections on culture are important and so are the detalis which seem unorthodox like clothing and its ethos. The prime base of an article like south India should be to express the weltanschauung and culture of a nation within a country. Modeling the south India page on that of cities and countries and state (eg transport, politics etc) would be not serving the very bases for the reason for such a page. Such Modeling leads to repatitive sections on road transport, politics, etc which could be found in individual articles like Tamil nadu, Karnataka etc. It would then fail to justify the reason for the existence for a page like South India. True it is very important to ready an article for the FAC title or position however that should not be at the cost of losing the very reason why an article should exist. South India is not a political country like South Africa, or Norway, instead it is a linguistic cultural region like Scandinavia. The article should discuss South India as a cultural entity describing the people, their ethos and weltanschauung, or else it would lose its very ethos. Robin klein 12:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! That's great! I mean the Scandinavia model. Really, creating the article in the way Robin klein has suggested will be great. Thanks a lot! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 13:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: .... what's South India's equivalent to norden? Sri Lanka? Tamilians in Malayasia? Sounds interesting --hydkat 19:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Allow me to chime in...Robin and I had actually collaborated on this article way back in '04..glad to see you back in action :)! However, I feel since we're dealing with South India, we should cover a broad umbrella of topics, all in Wikipedia:Summary style. Culture is obviously important, however details about South Indian culture should be relagated to a Culture of South India page; a summary of that should appear on this page. Coverage of other topics such as politics, language, economics, etc. should also follow a similar format. Politics in South India is quite different to that of other regions of the country. That needs to be adequately represented on this page as well. The Indian region of Malwa is currently a featured article and has great coverage on a wide variety of topics related to the region. I reckon that article is as good a place to start as any for purposes of reference. AreJay 19:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Losing the ethos

message: The "sports" section is pointless. While we're updating and making content changes, I'd like to go ahead and delete that section. Any objections? AreJay 00:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes it should go, or be compressed in a different section at most.  P.S. thanks AreJay Robin klein 00:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I too think it is a pointless addition.  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 06:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports 

message: The southernmost tip of mainland India is at Kanyakumari (Cape Comorin) on the Indian Ocean. This however is not the southernmost point over which India is sovereign; that distinction goes to Dakshina Gangotri or Indian Antartica, the southernmost frontier of south India.
This extract is from the regions section. I was wondering about the validity of this statement, because I think India does not have any territorial claims in Antarctica. According to the Antarctic territorial claims article, only seven countries claim territory on the continent. And as per the discussions on the talk page, India does not hold territory there.  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 05:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All claims are suspended as per the Antarctic Treaty. The 20 of the 28 countries (including India) that signed that treaty does not recognise any claim on the continent. --hydkat 11:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sovereign India in Antarctica 

message: Okay, this might be a silly question, but I was just wondering if it was necessary to capitalise the south in south India as in the article.  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 05:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. "South India" refers to the region as a distinct socio-cultural entity whereas "south India" means the southern part of the socio-cultural entity that is India. Compare "south Africa" and "South Africa". Ambarish 05:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It should be South India. Southern India encompasses the Lakshadweep islands and Goa, (and perhaps even Andaman and Nicobar) which I wouldn't really consider to  be part of South India. AreJay 13:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Yes I agree with AreJay, it should be South India, thanks. Robin klein 14:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The lead as it now stands goes precisely against this understanding. The old wording should be restituted, based on the consensus in this discussion. Regards, ImpuMozhi 19:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did read through the lead sometime yesterday, and was not too pleased with it. I will perhaps work on that sometime tomorrow and reconstruct it per WP:LEAD guidelines. AreJay 21:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored the old meanwhile. Feel free to amend. Regards, ImpuMozhi 22:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''S''outh India or ''s''outh India 

message: What is to be done with the setion on media, transport and education should they be considered apart or should they be merged with demographics/people section or any other relevant section, or merged together into one section etc. the page south India now seems to be heavy in content though lacking in a unified essence, the attainment of which is hindered by these sections being redundant, or waiting to be merged with other sections or neglected. Robin klein 19:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Robin. Media and Education are pretty uniform across India — I don't think the region offers anything unique from that standpoint. I would also say transport is pretty standard and probably dosen't warrant a mention. AreJay 20:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is to be done with media

message: There appears to be a large number of images in the article. The "Culture" section appears very busy. The number of images appearing on either side of the text is quite distracting and the focus from the textual content is lessened. Can we remove some images and ensure that they are all right aligned. I know this is not required per WP:MOS but I feel it will be aethetically pleasing and will draw focus once again to the textual content of the article and not its many images. Comments? AreJay 20:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Robin, given that South India needs to follow Wikipedia:Summary style, I'm going to reinsert the relevent information into the Culture of South India article. I think it's okay that it is currently far from the state that we want it to be — it can remain a work-in-progress. I have reorganized Culture by trying to get it as close as possible to summary-style as I could. I also removed the subheadings — the reasoning there is a) Because of summary style guidelines and b) because there really should not be any need for subheadings for two to three lines of content. I did remove some images as well, but they should all exist in their prior form in the Culture of South India article. Thanks AreJay 14:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi AreJay, I have redirected the page Culture of South India to a more appropriate term South Indian culture, its the same subtle difference between southern India and South India discussed before. Robin klein 15:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, I'm prefectly happy with the way it is now. AreJay 15:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images 

message: I have added Pondicherry to the defn of what constitutes S. India. Pondicherry is right next to Tamil Nadu, is overwhelmingly influenced by Tamil culture and should therefore be considered to be part of South India (at least in my eyes). Is everyone okay with this? AreJay 04:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Pondicherry, and its four enclaves are within TN, Kerala and AP. Therefore they should rightly be included in the definition.  thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 13:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pondicherry 

message: The biggest ideological influence in tamil politics is Periyar Ramasami. Though the self-respect movement is mentioned ... nothing much is mentioned about this cherismatic individual. --hydkat 09:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Hydkat, can you add some of that information to the segment? Unfortunately, I do not know much about politics and I had to refer to multiple sources, which probably didn't present an accurate picture of the situation. Also, any information you can add on politics in Kerala would be great. Thanks AreJay 13:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: will do so as soon as I can... --hydkat 06:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics of tamil nadu 

message: Substituted at 22:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I be including some contents from these two articles into this....
Murudeshwara, kodagu.
Your comments?
<B><I>Mugunth</I></B>(ping me!!!,contribs) 05:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Murudeshwara article doesn't seem to have a lot of content while the Coorg article is certainly not lacking in it.  What type of contents were you planning on including?  Thanks AreJay (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  May be something from Coorg into the Geography section and some thing into the Culture and heritage section from the Murudeshwara article?<B><I>Mugunth</I></B>(ping me!!!,contribs) 04:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds like a good idea! AreJay (talk) 20:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coorg and Murudeshwar 

message: After comparing with other country articles, I felt that, we have to add Education, Transport and probably Tourist attractions to this article.
Education should not be just a list of univ in SI, but should focus on Govt policies regarding compulsory education, may also state the reason for higher literacy rates in the South etc.,
Similarly, Transport, focussing on Southern Railways, road transport, BMTC Volvo (Volvo services for the first time in India) etc., etc., should be added.
Tourist attractions, could be sort of a list of important places of interest, Kanyakumari, Ooty, Kodaikanal, thekkadi, Kochi, Coorg, etc., can be added.
<B><I>Mugunth</I></B>(ping me!!!,contribs) 03:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I had given this some thought previously and had held off simply because of the fact that SI isn't a official political entity like a state/UT, so there's not one government enforcing policies on education, transport, etc.  In that regard, I except to see differences b/w the SI article, and others, say, India.  However, if you have the time, perhaps you'd like to take a shot at drafting these sections (Education, Transport, Tourism) and see what we come up with...I can definitely help fine tune them as necessary...just remember to keep them in Summary style.  Also, I think we can definitely add the "Tourism" section, since, while each state has a tourism authority, there's still enough general information about tourism in SI that can be covered in the article.  Thanks AreJay (talk) 04:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just noticed that Tourism isn't a major section for India-related articles as prescribed any of the WP:INSTATES, WP:INDIA or WP:INCITIES.  In seeming some Indian articles, it looks like mention of tourist destinations is made in the culture or flora/fauna sections.  We might need to do that as well. AreJay (talk) 04:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few more sections 

message: There are four images showing people.  Two of them are colonial images.  Would someone please add images representing actual South Indian people?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.47.249.252 (talk) 23:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial - Euro Centric Images 

message: Observation<BR>
I notice that the main article is hosted on a page titled "South India". Though browsing to "Southern India" also works (by automatically redirecting the user to "South India"), this is inaccurate. There is no geopolitical entity called "South India", except in informal and erroneous (and widespread) usage of the English language.
Description<BR>
Technically, "South India" would refer to a nation/state of the mentioned name (not a region, as the fact is). Examples are North America (the name of a continent), West Virginia (the name of a state), and South Korea (the name of a country). The word "South" is one of the four cardinal directions. The only two accepted usage contexts in the English language are: in a proper name (e.g. South America) and to indicate the direction with reference to a particular and already existing entity (e.g. Sri Lanka is to the south of India). The correct way of referring to the region comprising the states of Karnataka, Andhra Pradhesh, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala is "Southern India". The government of India recognizes this anomaly and discourages the usage of the term "South India".
Suggestions<BR>
The main article should be hosted under the title "Southern India". Browsing to "South India" should automatically redirect to "Southern India" and a note inserted about the inaccurate usage of the term "South India".
--203.199.115.214 (talk) 05:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, what about South Indian Bank? This is a quite prominent bank in South India. I could tell you many other samples. Can you give us an accurate source, that the government of India declines this name for the southern region of india? Googling provides me 2.4 million hits for South India and just 900 000 for Southern India anyway. --Thirusivaperur (talk) 03:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the article should be: Southern India 

message: The data presented in the economy section is obsolete and fictitious, the national per capita income for India in 2008 is USD 1004(nominal) the economic comparison should be done on the basis of Gross Domestic Product of each individual state which depicts a clearer view of economic performance rather than on regional basis which is absurd as great variation exists between the demographic and socio-economic conditions of the states in North part of India.
a) The richest states with highest per capita GDP are Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Gujarat & Maharashtra and union territories of Chandigarh and Delhi. None of the four south indian states is among the top five in the country.
b) Even High Income states are more industrialised, developed and have higher literacy rates than South India. They spend more money per capita on health, education and development than South Indian states.
c) South India is not homogeneous and is divided on the basis of four dravadian languages namely Kannada, Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam. They have their own regional differences and disputes.
d) The situation in South India is not very different from rest of India in terms of poverty, malnutrition, unemployment, politics, corruption, riots, Naxal violence, law and order problem, infrastructure, health and education etc. If you compare South with the worst performing states than it may look better, but the problem remain unresolved. Why not compare South india with some developed country in Asia like Singapore which has per capita income of US$ 26,481  Vs South India of only US$ 625(2004 estimate). This means the per capita income in Singapore is 43 times higher than South India. This clearly indicates that South india is not very different from rest of India and has to go long way before it can boast of having a distinction of developed nation status like Singapore or Japan.
source:
 --Himhifi 11:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic Comparison North Vs South- Data Obsolete/Article biased. 

message: Human Development Ranking by State(2001)
 State            Rank      GDP Per Capita
                            
 Punjab           1         2
 Maharashtra      2         1
 Haryana          3         4
 Gujarat          4         3
 Tamil Nadu       5         5
 Karnataka        6         6
 Kerala           7         - 
 Andhra Pradesh   8         7
 West Bengal      9         8
 Rajasthan        10        9
 Madhya Pradesh   11        10
 Assam            12        -
 Uttar Pradesh    13        11
 Orissa           14        12
 Bihar            15        13
Source:        
--Himhifi 11:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punjab & Maharashtra Tops the list in Human Development Ranking. 

message: thumb|left|South India
About 33 per cent of the census 2001 population of India live on one-third of the landscape. This is south India comprising Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.Anwar (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UT
:: A discussion on the constitution of the South is in Archive 2.  I don't think the term "New South" exists (or has been accepted) in India...we have to be careful not to bring in WP:OR into the article. Thanks AreJay (talk) 16:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anwar, could you provide a reliable source for including Maharashtra and Gujarat as well as Goa to the South Indian region? --Thirusivaperur (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Revised map

message: On what basis is South India defined in this article?  With the Southern United States, the distinction is clearly based on secession during the Civil War.  This entry, however, fails at present to attach the notion of "South India" to any clear variable(s).  It is this omission that will continue to evoke requests of cartographic modification like the one above.  Before we delve into History, Geography, Flora, and so on, I think we must first clearly define (with appropriate citational support) why the particular geographic region we have identified constitutes "South India." sæ (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed n times so far... Check the talk archives. For your information, you can search for "South indian states" in google. Reverting it back. If any one has a problem please discuss...
<B><I>Mugunth</I></B>(ping me!!!,contribs) 01:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Mugunth.  Perhaps this was already discussed, but isn't some sort of internal citation in order, particularly for the WP user who does not consult talk page archives?  sæ (talk) 00:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: South India Defined

message: All the comparisons are with North, if one wants to show progress relative- a more balanced approach would be a comparison with all regions and not just one. Haphar (talk) 09:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no clue how this happened.  The original table that I added a few years ago was sourced from Outlook India.  It seems to have been replaced now by this whereincity website whose credibility is nil.  I am going to go ahead and remove that table for now because it is sticking out like a sour thumb; meanwhile, I'll try to go back through the history to see if I can find my citation. Thanks AreJay (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just updated the table. AreJay (talk) 18:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good, could you add it to the Economy of South India article too ? Even there the other table had been put and I removed it yesterday. Haphar (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The new table is good... Let's go with this...<B><I>Mugunth</I></B>(ping me!!!,contribs) 04:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not an South India vs North India article

message: Hello, can someone knowledgeable about South India tell me the following (to my discussion page):
1. The literal meaning of the name "Subramaniam"/"Subramanian"
2. The literal meaning of the name "Ramanathan"
Thank you, Badagnani (talk) 08:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Subramanian is derived from Sanskrit and not a Proto-Dravidian language.  Su (means good, or dear), while barmanian (means Brahmin), translating losely to dear to Brahmins.  Ramanathan comes from Rama and nath, meaning Lord.  Thanks AreJay (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, bramanian not, barmanian.  Not too sure about Balasubramanian.  Bala means young in Sanskrit.  The name Subramanian is typically a reference to the elder son of Shiva, Shanmukha; I can only infer therefore that Balasubramaniam means Shanmukha as depicted as a child or young adult...similar to Balakrishna (Krishna as a child) or Balamurali (A young, flute-playing Krishna). AreJay (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Ranganathan is Vishnu, as depicted resting on Shesha Naga.  Krishnamurth(y/i) means idol (form) of Krishna AreJay (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: if we say south india goa should also be included or is this based on linguistic culture? 
--Neal007 (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Typically South India means the parts where Dravidian Peoples live or where Dravidian languages are spoken. Goa does not come under South India for this reason, the main language there is Konkani which is an Indo-Aryan language. Of course if you look at it from a geographic context the entire peninsular portion could constitute a "South India" but it is seldom reffered to in a geographic sense. --Deepak D'Souza 05:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cant we include Goa in this Section   

message: in kerala muslims are around 24%  kerala population ,every one's mother tonque only malayalam %
this is 11% population of south india is musilm (i.e 25 or 2.5 crore people) but only very few musilm have mother tonque urdu,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mappila
read about kerala musilm
know about musilm with mother tonque tamil
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Muslim
only muslim in andhra (i.e hydrabad area ,they only have urdu as mother tonque)
and converted musilms in karnataka to adopted urdu as a mother tonque 
ect....
maximum around 50 to 75 lacks people in south india speaks urdu , pan india musilm every one converting as urdu speaking muslims  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.48.53 (talk) 09:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong data of urdu speaking population (Urdu is spoken by over half of the 25 million Muslims in southern India) 

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message: A recent edit (22 January 2013) has included Kutuwa language as one of the languages spoken in South India. Can some more details about this language be added? Or shared on this page? Where is this spoken? Any reference to its existence and recognition by linguistics?
Anant (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: The  Languages of India article seems to show that only Tamil, Kannada and Telegu have been officially declared as classical languages by the Indian Central Government. Is there any notification, which can be cited, to state Malayalam has been officially declared a classical language?
There also seem to exist some criteria for declaring languages as classical. Please see  classical language.
There are many good things about Malayalam culture, including some well known historical contributions to medicine and mathematics. These could be highlighted some where?
Anant (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this into notice. No, Malayalam is not yet granted the status of Classical Language. I have removed it from the article. Thanks TheStrikeΣagle  13:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has Malayalam been declared a classical language?

message: So, what exactly is the problem with the neutrality of the tagged sections? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: This article is drowning in images now. How about a gallery, or removing several pictures? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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message: Urdu is official langugage of south India, check official language of new state telangana and Andhra Pradesh before its divide. Try to know before you just bluntly deny it as someone did with editing  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afroze.shaikh (talk • contribs) 10:53, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
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message: Andaman and Nicobar islands have been included in South India, while in actuality they are part of East India. In fact the East India page also lists these islands and the geographical society of India (which is administered by the Government of India) also considers these islands as part of East India, see | this link. Further the Government of Andaman and Nicobar Islands makes no mention of the union territory being part of South India (unlike Puducherry and Lakshadweep).
Kindly look into this matter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.75.75.86 (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion happened a few years ago, but I just happened upon it. I'm surprised no one has addressed this. Your source looks reliable, so I'll remove Andaman and Nicobar Islands from the page, as they appear to be part of East India rather than southern India. Kalariwarrior (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: I was simply browsing through the edit history and found out that all the additions of Udupi Cuisine (given with source) have all been reverted. Everybody in South knows about the specialty of Udupi cuisine and its prominence in the South. Please provide a satisfactory explanation regarding the undoing of that edit.--YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 08:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Udupi Cuisine 

message: I am not sure why the phrase "Dravida Nadu" is used in the info box. It is not a traditional name for southern India. In fact, as far as I am aware, it is a name which was made up by Tamil nationalists and separatists in an attempt to create some sort of "Dravidian identity." 
In fact, even the Wikipedia article of Dravida Nadu states that it is a "hypothetical state."
The ONLY people I have ever seen using that name are Tamil nationalists and people from related "Dravidian parties" in Tamil Nadu such as DMK.
This name being in the info box is appears to be politically motivated, and should be removed, as it is a potential violation of WP:NPOV, and its usage by fringe groups such as Tamil nationalists is likely a violation of WP:FRINGE. 
Wikipedia policy does not allow for politically motivated statements to be put on articles. I am removing the name in the name of the violated policies stated above. I putting this on the talk page to receive any feedback on the matter. If there are any objections, feel free to voice them. Kalariwarrior (talk) 07:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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message: Why was Tulu given such a prominence in the lead? I'm pretty sure it's a POV push. — DaxServer (talk) 09:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It was introduced in here on 28 September 2020 — DaxServer (talk) 10:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tulu in lead 

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Reference named "eb-calico":
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