Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 3

message: All of this needs to be deleted. It is OR, unsourced and conflicts with commentary in sourced media (for example, NME says that the Patient dies during Dead!). Until you can source it, it does not belong on Wikipedia. Period. --Jamdav86 18:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but it cites sources in the songs and its all really acurate too. -B3|\|
There are no sources and they are inaccurate. --Jamdav86 14:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary on the storyline for [[The Black Parade]]

message: Is MCR Alternative Metal? Famous last words sounds similar to Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace. I think they might have a few other songs that may be alt. metal. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 01:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a source and then you can add it. --Jamdav86 17:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, add it in the subgenre section however, since the only main genre we have now is Alternative rock.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Three Days Grace are not alternative metal. My Chemical Romance are not alternative metal, and I do not believe anyone has ever described them as such. --Switch 23:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They do have a metal influence, but so do The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and other alternative rock bands that aren't alternative metal. I don't think CD compilations count as sources, unless Hilary Duff suddenly became punk while I wasn't looking... --Switch 08:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alt. Metal?

message: I could have sworn there was a topic already about this, but I went through the archive and couldn't find it.  Is the "Fanfiction" information necessary?  I don't think it is.  I'm wondering what the argument is on keeping it.  Perhaps it could be limited to a link to the fanfiction page stating that there is fanfiction written about them and not all the fans approve.  I think that states it pretty well if it must be mentioned.--Jude 15:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason that I always kept and reverted removal was because it is sourced criticism which we had a lot of problem getting a little while ago. Also, it does show how some of MCR's fans can be obsessed and might not like just the music, which could also be an arguement to the "sell-out" thing. I did try and clean it up earlier because there was a lot more specifics, but I feel if we don't add specific stories or something then it should be ok. However, I do see how it could be considered for deletion, so I think we should maybe come to some agreement as to if we should keep it or not since it has been contested in the past.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fanfiction 

message: oaky i recentley herd that my chem was going to do an anamitaed musical for the black parade album. i have no idea where to put it cauz this page repeats itself way to much so i leave it to you folks to do.Oh yeah..havent you people ever herd of archiveing your discussion page?Razor romance 14:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a source if we are going to add it. I will archive the page again right now since the genre thing is sort of over now that we decided to do it the sourced way.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow. 

message: "In recent months, however, the two lead singers of both bands seem to have had a fallout due to disagreements over the addition of "Under Pressure" to In Love and Death. "
Is it still recent months though? It's been a while in my opinion, could we change it to something more appropriate? Kokiri kid 07:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Under Pressure

message: I went ahead and changed the infobox and created a Genre disputes and influences section linking from it. Please do some research and add more subgenres the band has been labelled/have labelled themselves or more influences the band has cited, as well as adding some citations to the subgenres currently there. Thanks. --Switch 05:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! It may look crappy at the moment, but this is the sort of thing that should grow. Citations for every genre please, and multiple citations are welcomed. --Jamdav86 17:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've quickly added a couple of citations. However, they've apparently made over their site for the new album, removing the part of the site in which they described themselves as "rock" and "violent, dangerous pop", and I can't find a mirror anywhere. There are several other pages that describe the band using that phrase, but most are wiki mirrors, and none of the others point out that the band themselves said it. So I don't know how to add a citation for that now. --Switch 09:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving this to the current page, because this section still needs a lot of work. --Switch 08:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Disputed genres" section 

message: Are these still needed?
#"Teen Titans" — Rolling Stone (2005-07-14)
#Rolling Stone Counter Reference
#Billboard Chart Positions
--Jamdav86 12:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if you can find what info in the article came from each of these. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 19:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: How about a few months ago. I remember converting most of those to refs over the summer and couldn't fix those, so I left them because I thought maybe they got accidentally deleted. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 01:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from page

message: Okay, I only edited it on the actual Mikey Way page, but let it be known here. Mikey DID NOT learn bass in order to be in MCR. If you've seen Life on the Murder Scene then you should note that Mikey said "Since a young age I [he] wanted to make music that effected peoples lives". It is also stated that Mikey was in several bands before MCR, even one with Gerard, and was playing bass.
So can we bear this in mind? In the booklet of bullets gerard thanks mikey for becoming a bass player.
:I also thought about this as well when I read it, however there was a source so I did not change it. I remember Gerard saying something on Life on the Murder Scene saying that they had always been in bands together with Mikey on bass.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I, too, was under the impression that Mikey had played bass before, but in a recent edition of Kerrang! Geoff Rickly says that Mikey learned bass to be in the band.  I'm pretty sure we were mislead originally.--Jude 16:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mikey 

message: Have MCR acknowledged that the occurrence of 'Used' in their music video is a nod to the band of the same name, rather than mere coincidence? Since it is a pretty common word, I think it should be noted that its appearing in the video is probably just coincidental. In fact, I have to question whether it has any real significance at all and whether it shouldn't just be removed altogether. --Owain loft 20:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Used

message: Does anyone know anything else about the fallout? I've heard several reasons. One was because supposedly My Chemical Romance used The Used to get famous and once My Chem did become famous it got to there head. Then I've also heard that it is because Gerard wanted to stop drinking and such and it pissed Bert off. Does anyone know ANYTHING about it please e-mail me. gerard_way3057@yahoo.com or x_paper_fantasiesx@hotmail.com
Well if you had of read the article it states that their fallout was due to the addition of "Under Pressure" to the Used CD... Kokiri kid 00:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has also been said it was a joke or Bert got mad because Gerard didn't want to go further in a relationship even though it has been stated that Gerard and Bert were never THAT close. But yes, I've also heard it was because of My Chemical Romance's fame. But it does not really matter anymore and no one truly knows because My Chemical Romance has not said anything and The Used haven't said anything either. I believe in a quote by Gerard said that they had a falling out but they don't want to talk about it because they don't like to say stuff about people or something to that effect. Anyways, no one truly does know but we can speculate it is the inclusion of "Under Pressure" on The Used CD since the song was meant to be a song for charity.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gerard and Berts fall out

message: Does this section need to be here?  It's not as if fan fiction only applies to MCR.  I don't see that it adds any necessary info for an encyclopedia entry.
:Please see discussion above.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true. I don't really have a stance on it because I can see it both ways, but I think we should have a community consensus before removing it. I have been seeing a lot of people saying remove, but we've never truly found out if people want it in or not.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fan Fiction

message: This section probably needs a cleanup, however, I would like to ask a few things for sources because if they are not sourced I will remove them since they contradict themselves or seem like nonsense. First thing is how does the song "Disenchanted" have anything to do with The Used or former drummer Matt Pelissier? As far as I am aware the song is about the concept The Patient and I am not able to draw any parallels to anything in real life in this song. I do not see how the song could be about their former drummer or The Used, a source please if we are to keep this. Next the part where it talks about references in each of their work and states the "I'm Not Okay (I Promise)" video and how it says "used" in it contradicts itself saying that it might have nothing to do with the band. Also we need a source for the part about The Used saying "chemical romance" and that it has to do with My Chemical Romance. I know it might not be likely but it could be a coincidence. If we can't find sources for this as well then I will also delete it. Those are just some quick concerns that come to mind when I look at that section.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As it has been a couple weeks since I first posted my concerns and no one seems to care for it to be kept, I deleted some of the unsourced stuff in the section. It is an important part of MCR's history but the section was getting out of hand. Please if you would like to readd the stuff please provide citations. Thanks!  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationship with The Used section

message: it says their music is based on horro filmas and the have bloody artworw but the misfits also has this characteristics in their music does that make them EMO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.165.186 (talk • contribs) 
:Don't create a new section for something that's already been addressed, please.--Jude 09:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Section 

message: excuse me, but most people i know who have listened to my chemical romance agree that the vocals are the best part. i didnt know mcr was famous for bass guitar?!- xanythingxbutxthatxonex 08:11, 2 December 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.41.85.28 (talk • contribs).
:Erm... what?--Mike Infinitum 10:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check the history, at this it was reverted: . Apparently it was incorrectly added and was removed.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 01:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable instruments? 

message: what happened to the picture? Dizzydark 01:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check the history, copyright violation.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 01:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably not. It's already been marked for deletion and you can't be sure if it's from Limewire.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: ... íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 12:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I've cited most of the , and deleted the ones that I couldn't find a source for. -  DavyJonesGSB 18:36, December 9, 2006 (UTC)
:Did you delete , or the text it was attached to? --Jamdav86 20:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. Cheers. --Jamdav86 18:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed

message: Is the Warped Tour Bootleg Series considered an album?  – Zntrip 19:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't think so. It isn't a studio album and the album isn't really anywhere on the internet.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: But that is different. This is not an album, is a live compilation. It is too short to be an album.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warped Tour Bootleg Series 

message: Blabbermouth news post mentions MCR winning the "Best band on the planet" award at the 13th Kerrang! Awards. LuciferMorgan 23:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Music Choice awarded MCR with the title of "Artist Of the Month" (for December). I don't have any visual proof at the moment, but for those of you who have Comcast, check out Comcast on Demand (ch. 199), go to "Music", and go to the very bottom. You should see it there. // Sasuke-kun27 21:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the article 

message: Hi,  the information about the injuries of Gerard and Bob filming the "WTTBP" video are wrong, wrong, wrong.  First of all, they were injured shooting "Famous Last Words."  Gerard was tackled by Frankie, knocked down, and the ligaments were torn in his ankle.  Bob, at the back of the set, was closest to the wall of flame.  He sustained a third degree burn to the leg.  Due to his lack of caring for this injury, it later developed into a staph infection.  I have seen/heard this information in numerous interviews available on youtube, etc. where it is the actual band telling this information.  Please fix it or remove it. True fans of the band do not like to read information that they know is incorrect.  Thanks :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frizzles (talk • contribs) 04:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors 

message: Why is My Chemical Romance classified under "disputed subgenre"? MCR has been an example of emo rock for as long as I can remember.
Litanss 12:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 2 for more information on the way the genres are currently classified. For further reference you may check Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 1, however the decision was reached in the second archive.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo Genre 

message: When have they ever been referred to as the Black Parade? I know that before the album came out some people speculated that they might have changed their name, but obviously those rumors turned out to be false. I have taken it off the list of aliases, but if anyone has a valid reason to think otherwise feel free to change back. --LadyJane 21:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an alias because it is their alter ego which they have stated previously. The Black Parade is their alter ego.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is proof since it was reverted: , , . There are plenty more too, search "The Black Parade alter ego" on Google.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, done. I used the VH1 link.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Black Parade 

message: I think the "Lack of Respect" section should be removed, and I'm going to do so.  The title seems pretty far from NPOV, and I don't see how it relates, even if it did happen and it has a source.  Definitely doesn't need a title like that if it stays.  All the source says is that the woman isn't happy with MCR because of their "lack of support" when she was raped.  There is nothing about respect, no huge crowd all aflutter over MCR's bad manners.  So.  I'm going to remove it for now.  4.91.110.118 02:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of Respect?

message: Ok, I think this section needs a bit of work done to it. There are a lot of sections and it's really long. Yes, it's mostly sourced but some can be taken out. I don't know, I think that maybe removing some of the nonsense is maybe the first step we can take to help make this a Good Article.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 17:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section

message: Really?  Are they?  The source article for this doesn't seem to justify that little fact, in my humble opinion. 210.55.130.65 00:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. // PoeticDecay 01:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  known as "The Black Parade"? 

message: I found an error with the "Life on the Murder Scene (Summer 2006)" section. Where it talks about Gerard Way and Bob Bryar's injuries, it was, in fact, Bryar who sustained the burn and not Way. That is what caused Bryar's staph infection Squirrlliewrath 20:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright this has been mentioned before, but seeing as it hasn't been fixed yet, I guess I'll leave my question up, as well as my suggestion.--Yunaresuka 18:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found an error, can't edit it. 

message: Why does the infobox list Newark, NJ, as MCR's origin?  Gerard and Mike are from Belleville, NJ. 72.43.140.77 20:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure the band is listed as being from Newark on official sites, but I'm not positive. Plus, not everyone from the band is from Belleville.--Yunaresuka 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a source then. For either one.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The band's official myspace lists them as being from Newark, but I'm not sure if it can be used as a source, since its Myspace... --Yunaresuka 02:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct, no Myspace sources and if there are then they should be deleted.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belleville, not Newark 

message: This article should have one picture for My Chemical Romance, not dozens. I visit this page every single day, and I see the band picture changing every single day. This is Wikipedia, not MyStalk. I mean, MySpace. [ Litis :: Talk to me ] 14:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't count dozens, really.  Three of the band, one of the fans as the black parade and 3 of the album covers, are the ones I count.  They're all warranted, I believe.--Jude 16:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pictures should always add to articles, never take away.  Having pictures of albums and the fans if it contributes is perfectly fine. BUT, if the main picture is constantly changing then it becomes a problem or if any of the pictures do not have proper or any copyright status, then they should be removed and deleted immediately. Darthgriz98 02:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if a free image is found then it should be kept and not changed and any further changes be reverted. Is the current one a free image?  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a copyrighted promotional image, yet all the information appears to be correct and it is cited. Darthgriz98 02:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then are there any objections to the current image being the main image? All others would then be reverted.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The image in question is Image:Mcr press2.jpg.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a little hard to see them, but I think it'll do for now since it's the best one we can come up with.--Jude 08:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, however, I think the criticism section needs work. Looks awkward, and there is a lot of information. I think some needs to be cut down and the pictures there are uneeded.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That is correct, I removed the pictures from the criticism section and shortened the section. It was getting long and out of hand and the pictures were uneeded. Since no one seemed to have any objections up above to a change I just went ahead and did it removing some of the unecessary stuff and moving some stuff around.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new picture each day? What is this, MySpace? 

message: The people who's creating and editing the songs articles must clam down. You can't create all the articles in a day. Because of that, all the song articles (except singles) have been nominated for deletion.  Armando.O  (talk|contribs) 05:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I voted on some of them, but then I started to feel like I would lose my cool because of comments like "even the album is nn."  I'll vote on them later after I take a breather.  Thanks for pointing this out.--Jude 06:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calm down with songs 

message: why are you putting disputed genres??? they're EMO!!!!!!! and pop punk.Chriscool334 00:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the discussion archive for the discussion relating to the genre dispute and how an agreement was reached.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: All genres are sourced. If it was in a reliable source then it can be added to the list.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ????

message: Is it possible to work in a reference to the recent MCR piano tribute?
69.211.109.206 00:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but I'm not sure in what section since they didn't necesarily make it.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If the photograph is not a free image I and any other respectable user will remove it immediately also, removing images of him as blond if they are the only way to represent him at the time that are free can be considered vandalism.  Darthgriz98 02:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: My Chemical Romance Piano Tribute added to itunes

message: According to AP.net, The Black Parade went platinum last week, needs to be revised.
:Feel free to if you can cite it :) be bold! Darthgriz98 04:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's why they have "Disputed subgenres" up there; tons of people believe they should be a listed as a bunch of things, so instead of listing a bunch and then having a bunch of people fight over them, its up as disputed. --Yunaresuka 02:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, as an added comment the discussions are in the archives as to why we do it this way, mainly Archive 2.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a small error

message: I have shrunk down the section and have moved some stuff around for this section. It is getting quite large and out of hand. Yes, the band may be criticized but why not add some throughout the article instead of having it all in one section? Isn't this a NPOV issue as well? If shrinking the section down is not the answer, then perhaps another solution can be discussed? I feel there is an issue when the criticism section has 4 sections and the main article is only 4 as well.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 22:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, but the Green Day page isn't broken up into sections. I think the section should be edited, I'm not sure if the whole "Lack of Support" section should be in there and I think the "Bottled" section could be added to the main article. I'm not saying to delete all the criticism however it is getting quite long and it is starting to get unsourced.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section

message: I found this by accident and as a first timer into the MCR section I'll pass this along. Blanking on the magazine but pretty sure the article was in the current issue of Spin
LadySatine 08:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article