Talk:Hapkido

message: People come to Wikipedia for the data, not some editor's nit-picky comments.  If the information is accurate and on topic, the style, footnotes, etcetera, etcetera are best left to the author.
Whoever is scurrying around putting all these boxed notes at the top of articles, probably hasn't created much of anything in their life.  If they really want to improve an article, they need to get off their a** and add some data.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.182.98.237 (talk) 02:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is with the boxed notes at the top from Wikipedia bitching about the article? 

message: The Yu from the water principles is written, in hangul, as 류. The pronounciation however is that of 유. The hanja for the water principle is the one that is in the text now. This one: 流.
There are more words in the Korean language that are sometimes written with a ㄹ at the beginning and other times with a ㅇ. Think of the last name Lee (이 or 리), which you sometimes see as Ee, Yi or Rhee. The Korean word for dragon is also sometimes written as 용 and sometimes as 룡. Maybe somebody with more knowledge about Korean language can explain the details.
What I am trying to say is: Don't let the romanization of words be your guide. A great source to look up Korean words and their corresponding hanja is http://endic.naver.com/
:Although originally pronounced with a ㄹ/r, all syllables containing ㄹ + /j/ (i.e. ri or starting with ry) have dropped the ㄹ/r, except in the Korean spoken in North Korea. The family name Li is still usually pronounced like this in English, but not in South Korea. Therefore, for hapkido purposes, 流 is yu, not ryu, same goes for dragon etc.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Julien Baley (talk • contribs)  22:51, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Yu

message: I started a Steve Sexton article for others to fill in. See here: Steve Sexton  --Mateo2006 01:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Sexton Article 

message: Are the principles of Won, Hwa and Yu true hapkido principles?? From what I have heard (yes I know, have heard is not a basis for an encyclopedia) these principles entered hapkido after people had read an aikido book (where aikido was translated as 합기도, and thus people assumed it was the same thing). I don't know how much emphasis is/was placed by people like Choi and Ji on these principles. I know that in the IHF curriculum there is a huge emphasis on these principles, but the ties with aikido are much stronger in the IHF-techniques. 
One could say that the principles started to play an important role, after the sorry-i-read-the-wrong-book-accident and found there way into hapkido. Just a thought. Kbarends 11:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Principles

message: There seems to be people have trouble with Combat hapkido and keep deleting their inclusion in International Organizations section.
There could be valid reasons for this but I think they should be handled in TALK rather than continuing to do this 'yo-yoing' of posting deleting that we are seeing here.--Mateo2006 16:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat hapkido 

message: According to this link (hwp document) at the IHF website, in 2006 there were seven organisations in Korea whose dan certificates were accepted by the police academy.
Their names are:
#재단법인 재남 무술원  (International H.K.D Federation, JaeNam Musulwon)
#대한기도회  (회장 한호택) (Korea Hapkido Federation KHF)
#대한국술 합기도 협회 (회장  박윤박) (Korea Kuk Sool Hapkido Federation, kuksul hkd link)
#대한국예원 합기도 협회 (회장  조진래)  (Korea Kuk Yae Won Federation kukyewon hkd link)
#대한신무 합기도 협회  (회장  황덕규) (Korean New Martial Art Hapkido Federation sinmun hkd, Not Ji Han Jae related link)
#한국 정통합기도협회  (회장 유병돈) (Korea Orthodox Hapkido Association traditional hkd link)        
#한민족 합기도 협회  (회장 서인선) (Hanminjok Hapkido Association hanminjuk hkd link)
Kbarends 02:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added links to the homepage of the organizations that haven't got a wikipedia entry yet. Maybe somebody feels like writing about the organizations ^^ Kbarends 02:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hapkido and police

message: We have had a long history of problems with the abuse of "External Links" on this particular page and it was for this reason that we went with the "International Organizations" title. I still support this idea as the tendency toward self promotion seems irresistable with an external links category and hapkido-in.
Others' feelings on this?--Mateo2006 14:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see you point was just attempting to standardize, I regularly remove schools added to jujutsu & others and I'm sure someone will create the external links section if it's not already there --Nate1481( t/c) 15:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Have put a comment in that might help, also shuffled secitons a bit, seen others organised like this & think it works. --Nate1481( t/c) 15:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link Heading 

message: Is this needed, seems like it's not 100% relevant, as it may relate to a specific school --Nate1481( t/c) 15:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Klaas and I have talked on this one before somewhere. The curriculum comes from He-Young Kim's book which is supposed to represent the Korea Hapkido Association curriculum established by Ji Han Jae and others. It is pretty representative of the content if not the order seen in the majority of hapkido schools. I think we do need to have more in the way of describing "what do people do in hapkido" rather than "Who does hapkido", as the article already has too much of that. I'm for keeping this section. Just my opinion.--Mateo2006 16:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's from reasonable central source then it's reasonable, have re titled & sub-sectioned it a bit but can see why it should be kept --Nate1481( t/c) 16:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is too much we can always move it to a separate article. Right now I would like to see more updates in the history section. It is only about people now, little about the formation of the different HKD organizations, demo teams in Vietnam, etc. etc. Kbarends 23:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example syllabus 

message: I've started up pages for Myung Kwang-Sik, Kim Yun Sang, and this morning, for Kwon Tae-Man and Oh Se-Lim, if people would like to add to these.--Mateo2006 12:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Linked Pages to Hapkido People 

message: Here is a letter from Richard Kim to a Japanese resercher.
http://www.toshima.ne.jp/~fukuoka3/hapkido/hapkido3.htm
dated November 26, 1984:
"The founder of Hapkido, Mr. Choi -- Japanese name Yoshida, is not related to Yoshida Kotaro, Samurai extraordinary. 
Mr. Choi was a student of Yoshida Kotaro. In fact he was an excellent student. You must realise that before Japan surrendered in August 15, 1945, all Koreans had Japanese citizenship and names. 
Mr. Choi returned to Korea and taught Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu. He named it Hapkido which in Japanese is Aikido. Since his time Hapkido has become modified with a distinct Korean flavour. It is an excellent art. 
I would that the thrust and direction of Hapkido where it is different from what originally Mr. Choi had taught is in a number of sophisticated kicks which is unique to the Korean style of fighting. Probably, according to some, it may have improved the art for modern day consumption. That would be a matter of debate. 
You are learning a good art. Stay with it and practice until perfection. 
Sincerely, 
Richard Kim, Hanshi "
Kim was a student of Yoshida (though for how long seems to be debated). Many of us have seen this etter before and it is interesting. It would be nice to know if there is any other evidence supporting this. I contacted Donn Angier in regard to this association but he could offer nothing that was not represented in the Aiki News issues of that time.
On a personal level, many other claims by Kim also seem questionable. --Mateo2006 03:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Relation with [[Kotaro Yoshida]] (吉田幸太郎), a leading pupil of [[Sokaku Takeda]]

message: I've added a page on Chang Gedo. Kim Yun Sang whos biography link appears on the Hapkido page was originally a student of his.  Do you want to add a link to Chang Gedo's page too?
Bamboo01 16:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography of Master 

message: We seem to have an editing war going on in the links to "biographies of masters" section regarding the inclusion of Steve Sexton and other names. While I, myself, didn't think Master Sexton merited a biography ON the main hapkido page I can't for the life of me think of why someone feels so strongly about not including a link to an article about him and others on another page.
It would be helpful if whoever keeps on deleting the links might follow Wiki protocol and discuss things and here and, if people don't agree with their reasons, cease and desist with the action before forcing a lockdown of this article and/or a banning of their right to post.
I am not saying that it is a foregone conclusion that their isn't a good reason to take people like Sexton or Shaw or whoever off the link to other articles list however at this point the argument hasn't been made.
I think it would also be helpful if people identified themselves with at least a posting name so as people will know who they are discussing things with.--Mateo2006 (talk) 11:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing war 

message: The first sentence of the article describes Hapkido as eclectic. Is any Korean martial art eclectic? I know they borrow heavily from Japanese arts, but that seems to be an incorrect word usage. Compared to Jeet Kune Do, Hapkido doesn't really seem eclectic. Just because a martial art works on multiple techniques such as throwing, joint locks, punching, weapons, etc., doesn't necessarily make it eclectic. --RisingSunWiki 16:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Hapkido eclectic? 

message: Found this about Yoo Byung Don at a dutch website 
Grootmeester Yoo Byung Don is de president van de Korean Orthodox HAPKIDO Association in Tae-GU.Grootmeester Yoo,was een topinstructeur van Grootmeester Choi de grondlegger van HAPKIDO.
In English: Grandmaster Yoo Byung Don is the president of the Korean Orthodox Hapkido Association in Daegu. Grandmaster Yoo was a top instructor under grandmaster Choi, founder of hapkido.
Homepage of the KOHA can be found at 
Kbarends (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also an article about him (in Korean)  And the right romanization for 정통 합기도  would be Jeon Tong Hapkido if you use revised rom. Kbarends (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a student of Kim Yun Sang master Yoo was indeed a student of Choi. There are a few pictures of the two together. If I am not mistaken he was a 6th dan under Choi. Kbarends (talk) 07:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Yoo Byung Don

message: For further context on the recent edits here involving the Korean vs. Japanese history of the art, see the debate regarding the origins of Tae Kwon Do at Talk:Taekwondo (begun at Talk:Taekwondo/Archive_4#Japanese_origins). JJL (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: Is it Geup and is it everywhere the same?--Razionale (talk) 19:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belt system 

message: We currently list the hanja for 유 as both 柳 and 流 but only 流 is correct. 67.100.167.5 (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yu hanja 

message: The sourcing on this article is awful... Really needs to be pruned and rewritten. Too many images that are too large, some flowery prose, ahhh.... toobigtokale (talk) 11:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources