Talk:Bobby Hill (King of the Hill)

message: For this character on King of the Hill disambiguation actually is necessary because there is another Bobby Hill meriting his own Wikipedia article. But most of the other characters don't need disambiguation. ShutterBugTrekker 21:45, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Can somone change that picture? Please I HATE dent Bobby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XxKautopsxX (talk • contribs) 23:59, 22 November 2006‎
:Somebody add a pic plz.[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 23:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: ^^ I want to put it back but I want some input first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.154.8 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 30 August 2007‎
:It should be removed or incorporated appropriately back into the article, per Wikipedia:Trivia_sections.Luminum (talk) 06:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody removed a buncha trivia 

message: Really, who ever put that there was just trying to gossip — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoldierOfColbert (talk • contribs) 05:49, 19 July 2008‎
	
:That Boy Ain't Right...
:Hank has a strained relationship with His son Bobby Hill. At times seems to really want his son to be "normal" yet Bobby Hill's behaviour makes Hank sometimes think that his son is effeminate. So when he hears from his neighbour Khan Soupanousimpone that Bobby is "Sex Crazy", and hearing he is interested in seeing his girlfriend naked seems to fit his idea of normal red-blooded American boy behavior. He is also immensly relieved to confirm that his son is hetrosexual. Whether he's really thinking "not normal" means gay is never actually explicitly stated, but it is implied.(Considering his largely traditionalist outlook Hank is surprisingly tolerant of gays). Hank is unnerved by some of the innuendos of Jeau Bea, Bill's cousin, is more upset that Peggy lost her virginity to a guy, the fact that the guy was gay was irrelevent. He accepts that Dale's father is gay, and does not ever make derogatory remarks)--T. Anthony (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't remember hank ever thinking bobby was gay 

message: Someone vandalized this page, removing all references to "Bobby Hill" and replacing them with references to "Aaron Bergman." The page needs to be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttc817 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page has been vandalized 

message: This lead is very long for the length of the article according to WP:LEAD.  I added the  tag, requesting that it be edited.OlYellerTalktome 07:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it.  It consists of a single sentence.  Any shorter, and it wouldn't be an introduction at all. 71.200.138.188 (talk) 02:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: There's been an issue lately concerning the age of Bobby.  If the show is chronologically the same as the "real world", Bobby is 23 years old.  As Bobby is still in middle school, one would think that the cast much slower than "real time."  How do we resolve this?  I believe that saying he's 14 (he had his 14th birthday in a later episode) is the best way to present his age and that saying he's 23 is misleading.  I don't want to get into an edit war so I'd like to discuss it here and look for a consensus.  OlYellerTalktome 00:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember the interview but they said that at first they considered having them age at an almost natural rate. (When you consider a season is only dealing with maybe 22-24 weeks of their life, if that much) So he went from 12 (or nearly so) to nearly 14 over a period of time, but then they sort-of abandoned the idea and I think the aging essentially stopped. I'm not sure they've had an episode where he turns 14, just ones that say his fourteenth birthday is "coming up." Perhaps because she's a more supporting character Luanne seems to have continued along the "slow but steady aging" vector. Avoiding some confusion about the first season she started out at about 18-19 and she's now at least 22. In most animated comedies characters don't age at all, Bart has "graduated" from the fourth grade at least three times that I know of, so really KotH is somewhat unusual in that the characters do or did age a little.--T. Anthony (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked for people in related Wikiprojects to comment on this discussion.  There was one (see below by AnmaFinotera) response at the Wikiproject (see here).  I asked the commenter to add his comment here but he hasn't so I went ahead and copied it over here.  See the previous link for proof.  So that you know I'm not cherry picking responses that prove my point, here are links to the Wikiprojects where I asked for comments (). OlYellerTalktome 19:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

text: "His age should be given in terms of the fictional work, i.e. in the series he is depicted as being 13 (or whatever his age was at the start of the series), and in episode X celebrated his 14th birthday. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age (2) 

message: This seems to be a controversial topic but I have noticed that Hank Hill, Peggy Hill, Cotton Hill, John Redcorn, Dale Gribble, Jeff Boomhaur, and Nancy Gribble seem to age correctly.  This means that for example Cotton Hill is said to have died in 2007 and  according to his Birthday he was 82 years old when he died. Hank was born in 1960 so he is listed as 48 years old etc.  The only problem is that the adults in the show seem to age as there correct ages are listed on Wikipedia.  For example it is listed that Dale Gribble was born in 1962 and it is also listed that he is 46 years old.  This makes sense.  But what doesn’t make sense is that most of the adult characters seem to age in real time like Hank, Dale, Peggy, Bill, Nancy are 12 years older from when the Show started according the Wikipedia articles but Bobby, Connie, and Joseph only age like 2 years.  This makes no sense because the adults age normally and the kids don’t.  Hank was born in 1960 so he is 48 years old, but Bobby was born in 1985 but he is only 13 years old?  The series uses real dates such as the 2000 Presidential Elections.  So if Bobby was 11 in 1997 then during the 2000 Presidential elections he must be 14.  This means that since specific dates are given such as the 2000 Elections and Cotton’s death in 2007 as attested on the Wikipedia article Cotton Hill, the show is progressing in real time and thus characters should age in real time. Another proof that the show is taking place in real time and not at a slow pace or in the distant past is the reference to modern things such as High School Musical in the Episode where Peggy is trying to get the perfect Christmas pictures.  This means that it must have been at least 2006 at the time which would make Bobby at least 21 years old.  Thus the show must take place in real time or at least after 2006 which is the latest mention in time that I have seen.  The earliest mention of a specific time that I have seen is 1999 when Hank was scared about Y2K.  This means that the show could have taken place no later than 1999 and it’s latest episodes could have occurred no earlier than 2006.  This means that if Bobby Hill was 11 years old no later than 1999 he must have been born in 1988 and if the latest episodes take place no earlier than 2006 this means that currently he can’t be younger than 18 years old.  This is based on the fact that earliest mention of an actual date in the series that I have seen is 1999.  Although I am not saying that there cannot be an earlier mentioned date in the series, all I am saying is that is the earliest date I can remember being specifically mentioned, which means that the show must start no later than 1999, but it could start earlier.  In the same way the reference to High School Musical in the Christmas picture episode means that since High School Musical came out in 2006, the show must go on to atleast 2006, but it could go on much later.  The lasted reference to a specific time that I have seen was the mention of High School Musical which would place the latest episodes to at least 2006, although once again there could be later references to times, but 2006 is the latest reference to an actual physical time that I can remember being specifically mentioned in the series.  This means that Bobby Hill was born no later than 1999 if he was at least 11 at time of the Y2K episode, and that also means he is at least 18 at the time of the Christmas Picture episode where Peggy makes a Reference to High School Musical, a movie aired in 2006.  Please let me know what you think.Eronel189 (talk) 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind paraphrasing that for us? OlYellerTalktome 22:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If they allowed the kids to age totally naturally they likely would've "aged out" of the show. Although I'm not totally sure the adults have aged in a totally natural fashion, they just tend not to mention their age.--T. Anthony (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So Eronel189, you're suggesting that an 18 year old is in middle school?  This is a fictional world of fictional characters.  Each article is its own project so the precedent set (probably by you) on Cotton Hill doesn't apply here. It's a television show that uses real world events as themes or ideas for the show.  The show started in 1995 so if you're suggesting he was a 4 year old middle school in the first episode, I think you've proven my point. OlYellerTalktome 14:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's further evidence, published by FOX, that the age of the characters is not parallel with the real world.  When Cotton Hill died, FOX published an obituary stating that his age is "unknown" even though his birth date is give (in KotH time) and his death date is implied (by Eronel's standards) by the air date.  I'd say that's as close to a signal from FOX that we'll get about the non-parallel time line of the show. OlYellerTalktome 15:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE AGE OF BOBBY HILL 

message: This page has several issues, most of which stem from Original Research and Speculation (see Wikipedia:No_original_research) and general copy editing that should be used to improve the style, quality, and formatting of the page (see Wikipedia:How_to_copy-edit).  I've therefore added the cleanup and reference improvement tags to this page.
Particularly, the intro is way too long (as noted previously by another editor) and should be reduced to the basics about the character and key ways the character meets notability (you can read more about improving the lead here: Wikipedia:Lead section).  Additionally, a cursory glance shows no references and original research and speculation in the article points (such as reasons why Bobby has not aged possibly being due to not wanting to change voice actors).
If other editors have other issues they would like to mention or suggest fixes to, please feel free to do so here.Luminum (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to make some improvements.--T. Anthony (talk) 01:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Clean Up

message: I've searched all over the internet and all I can find is spoofs and political commentary.  Someone please help me.  WHO is Bobby emulating when he pulls up his shorts and walks around saying "Vat are you talking about?  Vat are you talking about?" 68.84.58.186 (talk) 00:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure of the exact person, but I'm pretty sure it's an older Jewish comedian. Possibly Jackie Mason or someone from the Borscht Belt era.--T. Anthony (talk) 10:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comedy Routine 

message: I do not feel that this description of Bobby is a major quality of his character.  He is generally clumbsy and not good at house work.  However, this is not a main feature.  I see how it completes the idea of the comic foil to Hank, but if this detail is included, many more should be included as well.  Dmalsobrook27 (talk) 18:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  " generally not useful with his hands" 

message: The intro is misleading. Hank only gave him that nickname on a trophy either when he was very young or before he was born. It was never used in the show.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.244.71 (talk) 17:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never known as Butch