Talk:Sheffield F.C.

message: This is apparently disputed.
: Anon. I assume you mean the recently discovered "The Foot Ball Club of Edinburgh" from 1824. --Revolt (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See link for more >
http://www.nas.gov.uk/about/071112.asp
actually not disputed,
the 'Foot Ball' game played in Edinburgh was not football but a form nearer to rugby or Ausralian rules football
nothing like soccer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.145.235 (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oldest Club

message: Is it "formally called Coach & Horses Ground" or "**formerly** called..."?
Devoxo 11:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stadium name

message: "The world's oldest football club, Sheffield FC, celebrates its 150th anniversary with a star-studded event in the city on Wednesday." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7060059.stm
"it was not until 24 October 1857 that the first organised football club was formed, laying down a new set of rules. From its headquarters in a potting shed and greenhouse, Sheffield FC was born." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7059900.stm Nanonic 15:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  150th birthday 

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message: The above comments that the Foot Ball Club, of Edinburgh, played a form of rugby or Australian rules football are completely unfounded. The only time the ball is referred to as being 'lifted' in the earliest recorded reference to playing rules (1833) within John Hope's Foot Ball Club is when the ball is out of bounds, 'Allow the ball to be lifted between fields'. (The NAS website has wrongly picked up on the handling rule by just referring to 'lifting of the ball'. Hope's philosophy of a primarily non-handling game is echoed years later in his more complete rules of 1854. The relevant extract reads as follows... 
'The ball should not be kicked out of bounds. When this occurs, it should be lifted up by the hand, and brought within bounds. The party thus lifting it is entitled to a "free kick", but the ball should not be lifted by the hand from the ground at any other time.'
The NAS are clearly comparing the club with 21st century football (11 aside, goalkeepers etc) when they make the comment 'this was not football in its current form'. Football has greatly evolved from the 1850s and 1860s (as well as the 1820s) to get to the present situation. There is absolutely no evidence that Hope favoured a handling game. While the rugby game takes off in Edinburgh in the decade or so after 1855 (through the conversion of the city's private schools to the Rugby school code) Hope is not connected to the 'handling game' in any way and, indeed, actually associates himself with Edinburgh's first Association club in 1873. 
It is also important to remember that the early Association game was a hybrid style utilising rugby methods along with what we would recognise as Association football today. Heavy charging was a feature of the game and the weight and power of players was as important as speed and skill.
Indeed it could be argued that the early 1860s Association game had similarities with both Australian rules and rugby football - 1) players had to remain behind the ball to be onside 2) If the ball was kicked into the air players could catch it and kick it on 3) if the ball went wide of the goal posts and an attacking player touched it a free kick at goal was awarded (in rugby this was called a 'try at goal' with the rugby players taking a free kick at the goal), 4) no goalkeepers mentioned in the rules 5) with no cross bars goals could be scored with the ball passing between the posts at any height. Sheffield itself had some far reaching ideas, including the use of cross bars, but the club also adopted the fair catch, allowed for the ball to be hit or knocked on with the hand, and allowed for pushing - areas which are quite removed from the modern rules of football. The 1825 letter quoted by the NAS refers to kicking of shins and tumbling but this of course was the kind of game in vogue in the 1860s. Even though the FA Laws banned hacking, rough play remains a prominent feature of football during the 1860s and 1870s and Arthur Kinnaird (a future President of the FA) was a particular devotee of this tactic.
The original Sheffield Foot Ball Club and Glasgow's Queen's Park actually share some similarities with the Foot Ball Club of Edinburgh - during the formative years of both clubs, when they struggled to find other teams to play, the members were divided up into teams - precisely the method adopted by the Edinburgh organisation. Numbers could be quite large - 20 a side for Sheffield while Queen's actually played 20 aside in its first 'challenge' match in 1868 (the NAS article refers to a game involving 39 players - almost 20 aside). The 1824 club clearly was set up for the recreational amusement of its members - similar to the original aims of Sheffield and Queen's who both championed amateurism.
This is totally irrelevant...everyone knows there were clubs from the 1820s/1830s and older playing "foot ball" but having as little in common with the present association football as to be meaningless in a soccer context. But that's not even the point...the irrelevance is that this team no longer exists Sheffield FC do and are thus the world's oldest football club. Typical bloody Scots sticking their noses in as usual...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.89.195 (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oldest Club

message: I have removed the image previously identified as a Sheffield team photo from 1857, as it is now known (and confirmed by the club themselves) that this photo is in fact not of the Sheffield club at all.  See historicalkits.co.uk, specifically the listings for 9th, 10th and 15th October.  Luckily I found another vintage image with which to replace it..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image change 

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thread_title:  Links to "activ" websites 

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