Talk:Army Group Courland

message: This Russian New Agency (RIA Novosti) source states:
:At 11 p m on May 8, between TUKUMUS and LIBAVA, the German Army Group Kurland, consisting of the 16th and 18th Field Armies and commanded by General of Infantry Gilpert, stopped resistance and started turning personnel and combat equipment over to the troops of the LENINGRAD Front.
But this article based on Hans Dollinger'sG The Decline an Fall of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan - Page 290 that Carl Hilpert, surrended Army Group Courland on Karl Dönitz orders. 
However May 12nd, 1945 (From the Soviet Information Bureau Our Victory) part of the RIA Novosti 60 anniversary of surrender project notes that Hilpert was commander of the XXXVIII Corps, it explains why only 3 divisions surrenderd with him.
It is possible that the Russian source which is based on Russian news agency reports of the day are not accurate so can someone please verify that the distallation of the Hans Dollinger source for this Wikipedia article is is correct and check the source he used for the information. --Philip Baird Shearer 17:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  At capitulation AGC comanded by Gilpert or Hilpert 

message: It has been suggested that this article be merge into Army Group Courland --Philip Baird Shearer 10:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: The above note refers to Courland Pocket. 'Army Group Courland' is about a specific German unit, whereas the Courland Pocket article needs to cover ground outside the scope of 'Army Group Courland'. For instance, Battle of Courland redirects to 'Courland Pocket'. This proposed merger would be much the same as merging Battle of Britain into Luftwaffe or into Royal Air Force. Xn4 03:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose as per Xn4. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Oppose.Besides the reasons given in the first Oppose, the Courland Pocket actually needs to be renamed according tot he Soviet Operation that created it. It reflects only the end state of the operation as viewed ffrom the inside, and not the whole operation description that created it. -- mrg3105mrg3105   21:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Oppose. I'll remove the tags. -- Matthead  Discuß   21:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Oppose: a bit belated (though tag still here), per Xn4. —PētersV (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge into [[Army Group Courland]] 

message: Why not put that whereas a) Latvian historiography states that HGK was undefeated in a series of Soviet attempts to retake the peninsula, b) Soviet historiography (and most accounts I've seen, to be fair) describe the army group as 'blockaded' and bypassed? Put it as a footnote, if you like. Esdrasbarnevelt (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous version read "The army group remained isolated until the end of World War II in Europe and eventually surrendered after the reduction of the Courland cauldron."
I wrote that because the initial pocket was much larger, and was gradually reduced over months as Germany evacuated troops and had to reduce the perimeter due to this factor, as well as topography.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 15:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about: The army group remained under siege until the end of World War II in Europe and surrendered when the Nazi government capitulated and ordered all units to surrender ? ~~Xil * 15:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was technically a blockade and not a siege, and that is what the Soviet historians called it, the Kurland blockade operation. Pocket as it is named now is incorrect because that can only happen as a result of an encirclement, which was of course impossible because it was a peninsula, so for a time Germans were able to conduct evacuation just as the Soviets did from Odessa and Sevastopol, and to a limited degree, Leningrad also, although there because of the city locations, they were formal sieges.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 15:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, if we change siege to blockade will that do ? ~~Xil * 15:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, see the article.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 15:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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