Talk:Valley of the Wolves: Iraq

message: Is it really a controversy considering these events actually happened?
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: example: The story begins with a true story: “The Hood Event”… On 2003, the 4th of July, allied American forces come to the unofficial, half-secret Turkish headquarters consisting of eleven people. The Turkish soldiers suppose that this an ordinary visit from their allies. But this time it is different. In the changing conjuncture, America wants to be the only power “calling the shots”. To them, there is no place for Turks in the region any more…
A correction to the above example:  The Turkish headquarters was not secret nor illegal.  It was a liasion and observation base established according a bilateral agreement between Turkish and Iraqi governments.  As that agreement was not annulled the existence of Turkish special forces was legal while that of American soldiers was illegal (under international public law).EG 15:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge NPOV issues 

message: Compare the text with the text from the official website. Appearantly the text was not written by a 'fan' but is part of the marketing material (or they copied from here ...). IMHO not a good starting point for a wikipedia article as its NPOV will be a big issue anyway. --The emm 14:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright of text? 

message: This film is shown in several cinemas in germany in original title and language. The strong anti-US (my friend from peru insists not to be mixed as Amerikan) is comented in the media in germany. The muslim minority (most from Turkey) make this movie a good bussines success here.217.185.17.172 15:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Could you incorperate this into the artcile? Reuvenk 20:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text: In cities with big Turkish communities like Berlin Turkish films are often shown in original language. De mortuis... 01:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  in the news in germany 

message: The importer of many Turkish films into France (Toocool) complains that, although they have announced a release date for 1 March, they are currently unable to conclude a contract with any one of the France's monopolistic film distributors (insidious censorship the importer comments). --Cretanforever 07:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In France 

message: Should I extend that commentary remark to cover views expressed on the presences by troops of other countries in Iraq? --Cretanforever 07:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "(second most powerful army in NATO after USA)" Wishful thinking. King nothing 21:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  King Nothing, you can look at the figures. Maybe Turkey hasn't got a powerful industry to build war machines but you can be sure that we have a serious amount of money to spend on warfare. Look at the numbers of jets, troops, tanks. Those figures can amaze you ;) Deliogul 20:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But don't compair, if you look at the actual equipment and materials, to European NATO members.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.7 (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice history lession, Deliogul, but those of us living in the 21st century tend to hold the opinion that any given peice of land should belong to the people who live there. And, despite the best efforts of NATO's two biggest killing machines, that would still be mostly Arab.74.47.29.63 (talk) 06:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...although Turkish special forces were not supposed to be in Iraq...

message: Maybe the criticism section should be altered somehow. While there were no reports about trade with organs from Iraq, the Abu Ghraib scandal actually happened. So it is a bit strange to list both as fictional events. De mortuis... 01:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it.--Patrick 14:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional events

message: Article has started to get quite repetative (sometimes repeating almost identical text in different sections).
Have removed repetitions and also slightly changed some grammer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
Has an anonymous someone added slogans into the article? I think they should be removed. --Cretanforever 13:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Repetition

message: I didn't see anyone discussing on an American film this much. Every film has, in a sense, controvesy in it. I've never missed a single episode of the tv series of the Valley of the Wolves and I can easily say that the things you saw in the movie are "soft" if we compare them with the original tv series. In tv series, we have a Baron, Mehmet Karahanlı(the most successful businessman in Turkey but he is the servant of USA), we have secret organizations(Russian mafia and Turkish mafia) which want to control all the region. Polat Alemdar tries to destroy these organizations. In some episodes, the scenarios became so "hard" that the Turkish Government warned the production company. With respect, Deliogul 22:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Controversy induced by films is often irrational for the people not involved, Try to point out why "the passion of chris" induced so much controversy to an atheist! But the discussion of politicians was heavy to ban the fim here in germany.--Stone 08:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just said that the things you saw in the movie was nothing when we compare it to the original tv series. Actually I'm sure that there are some Jewish doctors who sell organs of innocent people to America but I'm also sure that there are many people of that kind in every nation. The movie softly continues the theme of the tv series, there are powerful people in the region who serve to their bloody masters so our undercover agent must terminate them. It is not a big deal. It is some politics with good action scenes. With respect, Deliogul 23:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is just a film 

message: Apparently (see here), locations are Gaziantep, Karkamis and Nizip, Turkey. This info should be in the article. Who can check it? --Filius Rosadis 19:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations? 

message: Under the headline International reception/US, an author depicts a situation where US authorities seem to try to exercise some kind of pressure on US soldiers not to wiew the movie (implicitly to make sure that the personnel should be kept in ignorance of the events described in the movie): "The US Army recommended that Army personnel not watch the movie nor even get close to cinemas in which the movie is played. [8]". When I followed the link to the source of this - in my wiew outraging - US Army policy, I found an entirely different picture. Nowhere in the articel (Stars and Stripes) is the recommendation not to wiew the movie mentioned. The recommendation not to go near theaters where the movie is running is in addition to this clearly ment as a safety precaution (i.e. the Army personnel could find themselves in trouble if they meet audience upset with what they have seen). I have no problem with neither the movie nor the concept that the US Army is responsible for major atrocities in the Iraqi War, but we do not have to invent problematic situations in theese matters, it makes for negativ draw backs. Furthermore the existing, and factual, problems are so many and so obvious that there is no need for fictional ones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hgus2038 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objectiv information? 

message: This section seems to be of minor importance to me. A google count analysis could be added to every movie page with the same justification but why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.139.79 (talk) 11:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree totally and suggest that somebody should re-write the whole reception section. 翔太 「Shouta:talk」 18:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  google 

message: This section is written as a list of trivia with headings. Maybe somebody can re-write it so that it is in paragraph form. I've added the  for the time being. If I have time I will try it myself.翔太 「Shouta:talk」 18:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: Where is the colon between "Wolves" and "Iraq" in the title?Lestrade (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing something

message: Why does the article claim the doctor is a Jew? Where is the proof for that?
Why do people even think he is Jewish? Is it because the organs are flown to 
Israel (among others). I think this argument would be too weak to keep this statement in the article. --213.39.217.122 (talk) 12:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As nobody answered me, I have changed it now.--213.39.202.82 (talk) 23:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

text: They claim he's Jewish because the West in general deals poorly with criticism, and this movie is critical. Additionally it doesn't portray Americans as gilded heroes of democracy and Good, so everyone has to find reasons they're allowed to hate it instead of manning up and just saying "Waaaah this movie isn't sucking America's dick, it makes me feel bad because I might realize that America isn't perfect!"--203.73.254.106 (talk) 10:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The doctor: a Jew? 

message: Ok. In the reference section - the editor or whoever wrote the blurb - wrote that after Stewart lampooned the movie he simply showed some clips of Arab/Muslim terrorists.
This is very dishonest. First of all, the tone of this blurb is disingenuous. The point of the segment was first to lampoon the movie and then to point out the HYPOCRISY of the mainstream media's reaction to the movie. So he lampoons it. Then, he juxtaposes the commentary of mainstream pundits next to Hollywood's depiction of Arabs and Muslims. Not all Arabs and Muslims by the way, but rather, within the same context as the perception of 'the other' within 'The Vally of the Wolves'. Example - the 'other' = Israelis viewing Palestinians AND NOT Israelis viewing Indonesians or Saudi Arabians. (This does not mean racism/bigotry exist primarily within the borders of a conflict but I'm trying to explain the Stewart's segment here.)
So I'm adding the term "stereotype" to the Arab/Muslims part of the explanation to Stewart's segment. I think this is obvious if you actually watch the video. This is not POV. It's the entire point of the joke.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.140.104.139 (talk) 14:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jon Stewart and 'The Daily Show' segment concerning this movie 

message: Is it part of the TV serial storyline. If so, where does it come in? Between 1 and 2, 2 and 3, or after 3? 109.77.22.244 (talk) 14:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to the TV serial? 

message: I'm wondering why there is a "Negative reactions" when it seems to draw on a German report and we have a "German" section under "International reception." This section would tend to violate WP:CRIT, especially the idea we should try and avoid "Criticism" sections: WP:CRITS. Best to rework it into the reception section, as long as we stick to WP:NPOV. (Emperor (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative reactions? 

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