Talk:Uranian (sexuality)

message: Any connection with "Uranus"/"your anus"?  Or is that an entirely irrelevant homo-nym? —Ashley Y 20:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, perhaps that's the reason it didn't stick! My question is: How could the term have "already gained currency" before Ulirch coined "urning", as the article states, if the Brits started using it "perhaps as early as the 1860s" and Ulrichs wrote "urning" in 1862 and published in 1864?  ntennis 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The origin seems to be Plato's Symposium, specifically the discussion of Aphrodite Ourania vs. Aphrodite Pandemos. Haiduc 04:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's what one website has to say: "[Ulrichs] coined the term 'Urning' (Uranian) for such a person. This was a reference to Uranian (Heavenly) Eros who governs principled male love, whereas the Pandernian (Vulgar) Eros governs heterosexual or purely licentious relations." (This, I think, is ironically the source of our modern dichotomy "Platonic" vs sexual love). Ulrichs himself acknowledged Plato's Symposium as his source. However, this article as it stands suggests that some folks in Britain arrived at the term "Uranian" (meaning homosexual?) prior to Ulrichs, but unfortunately this claim was not sourced by the anonymous editor who added it. I find it perplexing, because the phrase "perhaps as early as the 1860s" suggests that there is no direct evidence for the British use of the term until after the 1860s. Yet Ulrichs published the term "Urning", defined as male-male love, in 1864, and was using it even earlier. So I suggest that unless a source can be found that we credit the invention of the term back to Ulrichs. ntennis 13:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Not my specialty, no objection. Haiduc 17:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: OK now done. I'm happy to be corrected should a source be found. ntennis 04:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: How is this pronounced?
Is it pronounced like earning? or oorning? (oo like in cool) or uhrning?
--Josh W 03:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: It is seems fair and appropriate  to give a detailed account of the origin of the term 'Uranian' as used in gender-focused and gender-related literature, but that is not by any means the only place where the term 'Uranian' is used, and reference to any dictionary in wide circulation will verify that.
I have in the past attempted to include other definitions of 'Uranian' from dictionaries, and the additions were rejected.
My Point:  In the occurrences of the term 'Uranian' in the English language, how often does it refer to sexuality in literature, and how often does is refer to astronomically-related phenomena, or to unconventional or technically-oriented mindsets?... and most significantly, to such genuinely ethically controversial issues as pedophilia?
Is this someone's idea of a practical joke to slant Wikipedia to define 'Uranian' only as its usage as a literary term attached to sexual issues?  Sometimes such biases only fuel the culture-war arguments of overly-powerful Religious Fundamentalists trying to create a fascist theocracy in the USA.
I believe it is in the best interests of Gays and Lesbians to both:
1) acknowledge that 'Uranian' is not (as dictionaries indicate) exclusive to literary/sexual terminology (and in fact most frequently refers to astronomically-related phenomena), and
2) more clear distinctions are made between homosexuality and pedophilia, so that the warped stereotypes of the sexually-repressed and culturally-ignorant Religious Fundamentalists are not served and reinforced.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.75.138 (talk) 19:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does pederasty have to do with it, Jesus?.. Even in the same "Symposium" of Plato, in the section where this term originates (where types of love are discussed), there is a rejection and condemnation of pedophilia. Валя Беляев (talk) 08:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: the term does seem to have been associated with pederasty in the past -- for example, in Jennie June's Autobiography of an Androgyne, page 107 in the Project Gutenberg html format: "At that time I incorrectly described myself as an urning. Urnings are, at least usually, active pederasts, or else addicted to mutual onanism." I believe it should at least be more explicitly addressed than it is at the moment Eli 22:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses of the term 'Uranian' 

message: Rather that engage in a push pull with the German construction on one side and the British on the other, would it not be better to first disambiguate and then have separate articles for each?
Also, recent scholarship, both McKenna and Kaylor, place Wilde (and Hopkins, as per Kaylor) in the Uranian orbit. That needs to be discussed here. Haiduc (talk) 10:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too jumbled 

message: I got into a discussion with a buddy about whether Urning was a derogatory word. I asked a German relative of mine and she did not know of the word. Is it obsolete in modern German? Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX (talk) 06:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urning in modern German? 

message: Is so, so poorly written. It's practically incomprehensible. It also doesn't cite any of Ulrichs' specific works, which I'm assuming it's based on. Even without the sources, I feel compelled to try to improve the clarity, but I might have to give up because I can't even figure out what the original writer of the article is trying to say. Someone who's actually familiar with Ulrichs' work should definitely take a look at it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.59.138.117 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "development of classification scheme" section 

message: Wiki bravely banned me some time ago, but I see I am no longer logged in.  Uranian astrologers are so named to cover their pederastry?  You really should make a comprehensive survey of the crap you put out and purge the worst of it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.15.119.52 (talk) 17:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banned? 

message: In Taxonomy of Uranismus, appears this term and definition: "Manuring: feminine in appearance and behaviour, with a male psyche[...]"
Is this vandalism? Surely the logical form would be Mannurning? And not this, surely rather unfortunate word given its similarity to an English word for muckspreading. Nuttyskin (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manuring? 

message: Buidhe, There is a separate article for the planet Uranus - redirects to the corresponding article can be forwarded directly to the article of the planet Uranus. And this article is about the historical term denoting male homosexuality. This article has significance and here it is revealed in much more detail. Валя Беляев (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, the search  shows that this meaning of Uranian is not the primary topic of "Uranian". Therefore, if we're going to have a separate article on the homosexual meaning of "Uranian", it would need to be at a different title. However, per WP:NOPAGE I do not see a justification for separating an article on "Uranian" from the already existing article on its coiner. (t · c) buidhe 18:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, no need for a separate page for this little known usage of the term.  Any information not already on the Karl Heinrich Ulrichs page, could be expanded there. Onel5969 TT me 18:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think the redirect proposal meets WP:RPURPOSE. The evidence given by Buidhe all uses "Uranian" as an adjective, which doesn't seem plausible as a WP search term on its own; people searching for "Uranus" or "Uranian moons" will use those terms, but those searching "Uranian" probably want the historical noun. If confusion between the two is a real problem, then a disambiguation would be the solution, not a redirect. Newimpartial (talk) 19:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To add, if there’s disagreement about whether this article meets notability guidelines, then it would be better to do a deletion discussion. Restoring a blank-and-redirect after it’s been reverted goes against WP:ATD-R. Politanvm talk 20:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible redirect

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure)  (talk) 23:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Uranian (sexology) →  – sexology is defined as a 'scientific study of sex and sexuality' while the term concerned by this article is a subjective self-descriptor used by various artists and activists with zero immediate scientific relevance. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 July 2023