Talk:Divine Liturgy

message: I just put in enough information to tell people what the Divine Liturgy is. It's a placeholder. There needs to be a more thorough discussion, as there is for Roman Mass. Basil Fritts 06:46 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
(Structure outline moved from talk into actual article.)
: Good start; looks pretty familiar. Between the Lesser Entrance and the Epistle Reading, we usually have a number of Troparia and Kontakia hymns that are appropritate to the day, and the ones we nearly always do, like to the patron saint of our parish. Our priest gives the homily right after the Gospel reading, though I think some do so after Holy Communion, and there may be a couple other places. For the first point, I think the priest first says "Blessed is the Kingdom..." which signals that the service is a Divine Liturgy and not just a vespers or matins service. 
: Even having said all that, this is good enough to go into the article; it can be improved on there. Edit boldly! Wesley 20:49, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Haha, I even forgot the homily :) Ok, I'll be bold...
Oops, where is the Trisagion ? Would you mind inserting it correctly ?
In my humble opinion, detailed descriptions of one particular liturgy are out of place in discussing Divine Liturgy.  Such discussions should be broken out into separate pages for the Divine Liturgy of Saint so-and-so.  For example, there might be a page for the Divine Liturgy of Saint James and another for the Divine Liturgy of Addai and Mari, etc., etc., etc...  --Sophroniscus 16:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes indeed, but the article in its current state is little better than a stub. There's clearly plenty of room for expansion.  TCC (talk) (contribs) 00:50, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub

message: This text seems to have been here a long time , so I thought I ought to explain here why I'm removing it.  Although the Descent of the Holy Spirit is the defining moment of Pentecost, he also arrives at other times and in other ways. I've never heard the Epiklesis labelled in this way before. Indeed an explicit connection to Pentecost is only made in the Slavic tradition in what is really an interjection of the Prayer of the Third Hour. (An interjection that's particularly awkward in the case of St. Basil's epiklesis where there's really no room for it.) So it seems to me better to let "Epiklesis" stand on its own here. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pentecostal invocation" 

message: Ouital77 is right. Those pretentions of fatherness of Chrys aren't but naive sights. There are a lot of liturgists that don't agree with.
Even the expression, «Liturgy of St ...» is false. It's only about anaphora (+ prayer upon the gifts, and other additions throughout the litanies btw word liturgy and altar liturgy). 
And there should be an article as Byzantine eucharist, showing the schema of the eucharist within the Byzantine Rite, and separate articles speaking about the 2 anaphores:
* Byzantine anaphora of Basil the Great;
* Anaphora of John of Constantinople.
Apparently, the 2nd one is but an Antiochian text found late by a priest named John, from Constantinople. This is all.
From another point of view, "Divine Liturgy" is NOT an Eastern word. In all the Eastern liturgies (except Byz), the eucharist is called sacrifice: «qurbana», «badarak», etc. So, we have only 2 choices:
* Use this expression, "Divine Liturgy" for all eucharists (both Eastern and Western), as in most languages of East Europe; 
* Use it only for the Byzantine Rite.
We must choose one. - Waelsch 19:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byz Lit 

message: The only Divine Liturgies I've been to have been conducted in song. Is that always the case? KittyHawker 17:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Everything is chanted a capella except for the homily. Some Greek churches in the US now use organs, but this is highly incorrect. I suppose this ought to be mentioned in the article. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, it should be mentioned. Not only in the Divine Liturgy, all public services are chanting. Perhaps we are better to explictly mention "reading from the Letters and Gospels" are also chanted. 
Another question from me; the article says the D.L. has two parts - Liturgy of Catecumens and of Faithfuls. When the former ends and the latter begins? The former ends with "the Litany of Catecumens" and the latter begins with "the first Litany of Faithfuls"? Am I correct? --Aphaia 05:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, that's usually taken to be the dividing point, which is one reason why it's not such a good idea to omit the Litany of the Catechumens and their dismissal IMO. TCC (talk) (contribs) 09:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singing 

message: Reference is made to various psalms. But is the numbering system Septuagint or Masoretic Text? It would be useful if this could be stated, perhaps with reference to the table in the Psalms article. Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psalms: which numbering? 

message: The article acts as if the Liturgy of John Chrysostom has ambiguous origin, as if John Chrysostom may not have written it. I understand there were a few minor modifications done in early to mid Byzantine times, but we know what those were. Isn't it certain that he wrote the liturgy?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.172.76 (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who wrote the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom? 

message: Well, there is a lot talk about the Divine Liturgy, but where is it? Can we have the various texts (and translations)? That would make this article 100% more useful. Gingermint (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There seem to be various translations mentioned at the "External links" section. Feline Hymnic (talk) 18:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Text

message: An editor has tagged the article with inappropriate external links. Not sure what is intended here. This is usually meant to suggest that imbedded externals are in the article. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Something wrong with material under "External links?" Would the editor care to be more explicit? Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: I added Polish & Czech/Slovak terms for the Divine Liturgy, since there are Orthodox in those countries, but...it seems to me that all of the Slavic terms are quite transparently etymologically related. Perhaps we could use the Church Slavonic in the lede as a shorthand, and move all of the modern Slavic descendants into a ref tag, to avoid an overly-long sentence? Jpbrenna (talk) 02:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavic 

message: The translations in the lede sentence seem excessive, indiscriminate, and if they should stay in the article, should be moved to a section such as "Etymology" or "Meaning". Elizium23 (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur that they as excessive, & cetera, and in this and other Eastern Orthodoxy articles their number mushrooms. Honestly, just clicking "Languages" in the left column of the page reveals most of these (Georgian being a notable exception) and methinks that, at most, the original Koine Greek should remain.  Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

text: And I just linked Georgian; that article had linked to Liturgy but on-line translation shows that that is about, specifically, the Divine Liturgy. Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations in lede sentence