Talk:Palestinian Authority/Archive 1

message: First, thanks for the clean up. I don't know how so many grammatical and organizational errors got past me. I think it is because I did the revision all in one go. I need to start considering doing section edits, it appears to be more efficient, and probably helps other editors keep track. Now, specifically, regarding the quotations about the size of the PA police forces, you are quire right, the Guardian was a good source which I missed. The other 2 sources in the footnote were Israeli government sources and that's what drove that edit. I am fine with the partial revert. Also, I don't know how all that info at the end got deleted. As I was trying to save, the system told me that someone changed the article while I was working on it. I hit 'back', saved my work elsewhere, went to the history tab to examine the changes, only to see that there were none in several days, so that alert must have been a glitch. I then clicked the current revision and and did a cut and paste from my saved work. I don't know where the lost information went, I didn't mean to delete it. Also, there were several hyperlink references throughout the article which are invalid, perhaps expired. What's to be done with them? Are they to be deleted alone or also the statements they're supposed to support? Finally, I am concerned about the devotion of the vast majority of the article to criticism and heaps upon heaps of negative quotations. There is not nearly enough technical information, about departments, budgets, accomplishments, responsibilities, etc. Just mounds of criticism, without an adequate balance from PA supporters. It seems a monumental task to include all this, considering how much real estate is devoted to criticism and negative quotations.--AladdinSE 08:42, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
:Wikipedia has been acting up under the stress, and odd things like duplications and partical duplications keep happening, particularly when one submits and then gets an error message, and then attempts to submit again.  Regarding expired hyperlinks, this is a problem.  Ideally they should be listed as references at the bottom, with an accessed date; there's a template for doing that.  Also good would be finding fresh links that support the point.  As for the imbalance, yes, it is imbalanced.  Part of the problem is that the P.A. has been such a shoddy, inept, and corrupt government that there is little good one can say about it; kind of like trying to find good stuff to say about the Zanu-PF government of Robert Mugabe. Jayjg (talk) 18:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the recent cleanup by Jayjg 

message: Mustafaa, the link you provided specifically says that "Yasser Arafat signed a law [...] to make Jerusalem the capital of the future Palestinian state" (emphasis mine). This is by no means the same as declairing Jerusalem to be the capital of the PNA (which is silly, and as far as I know, was never done). -- uriber 20:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Capital: Jerusalem" 

message: I'm removing the "area" figure from the infobox, since it's simply incorrect - it seems to include all of the area of the West Bank (much of which is not under control of the PNA), but excludes the Gaza Strip (most of which is under the PNA's control).
Also, the maps are wrong, as they do not show which areas are controlled by the PNA.
If someone can find figures of how much area is allocated to the PNA (as "Area A", "Area B", and "Area H1" in Hebron), and non-copyrighted maps of these areas, this would be a significant contribution to this article. -- uriber 18:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My source for the area was http://formin.finland.fi/netcomm/org/orgdata.asp?elem_id=1155&LAN=EN .  But yes, it does seem to be wrong; http://www.arij.org/pub/pubarabic/envdegredation/ gives what look like more reliable figures.  Here's two maps: http://www.palestinemonitor.org/maps/bantustans.htm, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/pamap.html . - Mustafaa 19:10, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area and Maps 

message: I am skeptical of this picture being the actual coat of arms of the Palestinian National Authority. Can anybody cite sources for this? I was searching for the Coat of Arms of Palestine on Google Images, and found this, and it seems more believable as a coat of arms. --Revolución (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of arms 

message: Perhaps this section should be moved its own article under carefully selected events that show Palestinians in a bad light. Alternatively, perhaps there should be an equally exhaustive section on Israeli incursions and slaughter in PA territory and against the PA, although it might make the size of the article somewhat unmanageable! - 81.100.216.53 21:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations of lawlessness in Palestinian areas 

message: The PNA is not a country, so you should remove some items of the box.
:Hello!  I can only attest to one point: the UN Human Development Index (HDI) and ranks have been assessed for Palestine and most UN member states; however, the Palestine article and others do not have the standard country infobox/template for various reasons, so the decision was made to include the HDI for Palestine in this article (with infobox) instead.  If you have any questions, please ask.  Thanks!  E Pluribus Anthony 15:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a country 

message: I think a page with the five (or more!) different Palestinian States briefly described would be very useful.  I find the differences between the State of Palestine and Palistinian National Authority to be confusing on first read.  I think the five would be the Historic State, the UN Mandate, the State of Palestine, the PNA, and then an article on the future palistinian state.  I don't know enough about it to really dig into this, but it would probably help clear things up.  Specifically, what is driving this is that since the infobox was updated a lot of the data has been changed from Area A, B and C to WB and GS.  I would argue that PNA would HAVE to describe things in terms of Oslo, while a future PS would describe it in terms of the full territory. Thoughts? WayeMason 11:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palestinian States proposal 

message: Shouldn't we recognize it as being the de jure capital of the Palestinian Authority and Palestine. Robin Hood 1212 14:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerusalem 

message: Obviously the most prevalent separating issue is between political blocks, but how are sunni/shia relations in the PA areas? Joffeloff 21:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam/demographics 

message: I just changed the capital, largest city, and map and have sourced all three of them. East Jerusalem is the desierd capital for Palestine according to the Wikipedia article of Jerusalem. The largest city is Gaza. The map did not previously include the Gaza Strip, so I have added it. W123 21:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital/Largest City/Map 

message: Some of this article, particularly the last section(s), seem to be "overwikified" -- every other word is a link.  I don't think it's necessary to wikify every single date or word (for example, "election"), nor is it standard process to wikify every occurrence of a significant wiki-item (e.g. "Gaza Strip").  Only items whose content would enhance the reader's understanding of the current article should be linked (what the style guide recommendations refer to as "major connections...and...technical terms"), and of those only the first occurrence (or, if the article is REALLY long, maybe the first occurrence in a section) should be linked.  (See Wikipedia Manual of style and style guide recommendations.)
Anyone else have thoughts on this?  I'll check back in a few days and if no one objects I'll tidy it up a bit. Bookgrrl 04:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overwikification? 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/060202134608.c3rt2alw.html
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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://www.pna.gov.ps/subject_details2.asp?DocId=1697
** In Palestinian National Authority on Sun Jul 16 21:21:12 2006, Socket Error: (110, 'Connection timed out')
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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040909-080855-4852r.htm
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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/defultE.htm
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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: Are these used interchangeably?  The article seems to go back and forth, which is a little confusing.  If one is more correct (or NPOV) than the other, we ought to use it consistently; if some people prefer the other, we ought to make note of that and explain whatever debate there is. Nareek 18:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think PA is more generally used, but PNA is technically correct, representing the full name. --Eliyak T·C 02:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PA vs. PNA 

message: Someone can't have a capital if it's only desired. You have to atleast control it. Else you could say that Jews had Jerusalem as a capital for 3000 years now. That should be removed from the template. Amoruso 01:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, seems like this article is pushind anti-Semitic Islamofacsist POV. Israel belongs to the Jews and everyone knows it. Cerebral Warrior 11:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I came to the discussion page to comment about this as well. And I agree, Paris would be better. -THB 08:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Paris ? It's nice 

message: I removed the following statement because it is unsourced and apparently not relevant (wrong time period). Please clarify the relevance, or at least the context, before returning the statement to the article.
:"The Liberation Party (Hizb ut-Tahrir) participated in the West Bank, before it was occupied, it currently refuses to do so."
--Hoziron 01:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberation Party is relevant? 

message: When I used to work as a laborer in Palestine we got paid in US dollars. I'm Jewish, so I had to change them to shekels to be able to buy anything where I live, but the boss kept dollars because I was the only Jew on the crew except for him and the Arabs preferred to be paid in dollars. Are there any Palestinians here who could say how common it is to be paid in dollars? 82.81.103.16 08:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency 

message: There needs to be inclusion of the following, who participates, controls and funds them.
* Preventive Security Agency
* Civil Police
* National Security Service
* General Intelligence
* Presidential Guards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.35.35.36 (talk) 13:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PA Security Forces 

message: I am a delegate in the Fifth Borneo Global Issues Conference, sometimes called the Mini-UN. If you haven't heard of it, I don't know why. It had several well-known guest speakers, such as David Belemy and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Professor Maathai.
In it, students in schools throught South-East Asia are selected and assigned a country. I have been assigned the Sultanate of Oman, and sitting next to me in the committies is the deledate of the Palestine Authority. However, several times the delegate of Israel has called for Palestine to have his voting rights removed, as he it "not a country" and "in the UN, Palestine cannont vote". I do not know if this is correct, so I would like a little help.
Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.6.224.42 (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A coutry or not? 

message: :Re-posted from Talk:Palestinian territories, as no response provided there yet
I am conscious of POV issues surrounding the name "Palestine", so I'm not trying to stir anything up here, but I would like to know what the best article link is for Wikipedia lists of nations etc.  I am asking here purely from an implementation perspective, as I have been doing a lot of work recently for Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template.  There are a lot of articles that contain lists of nations, dependencies, etc.  List of countries is perhaps the best example.  On those lists, there are flag icons followed by a wikilink to the main article for the nation.  (e.g. ).  What is the most appropriate article link to be used in conjunction with this region?  I have seen two articles widely used, namely   Palestinian territories and  Palestinian National Authority.  Often, the latter usage is rendered as  Palestine. so the wikilink still points here but the displayed text is "Palestine".   Use of this article as the wikilinked article seems a bit odd to me, as it refers to the governing organization rather than the region, but perhaps for some NPOV reason, maybe it is the best choice.  I don't know - that's why I'm asking here.  Is there any consensus on what we should standardize upon for Wikipedia?  We need consensus on two things - the wikilinked article, and the display text (if different).  Thanks,  Andrwsc 18:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this the best article for "country" references? 

message: Firstly, I would request, User:Asucena, that you review the wikipedia policy of Wikipedia:No original research. Adding statements without any reliable sources is a violation of the policy, and must be removed. Secondly, please remember, that per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, your edits to this and affiliated articles will be carefully vetted, just as if an employee of the Israeli government were editing the Israel and relevant governmental articles, or a US congressional staffer was editing the article about his or her boss. Please remember, that while anyone may edit wikipedia, they must do so in accordance with wiki's policies and guidelines. I would suggest, in your case, that you have discussions about any changes to the article here on its talk page, since you are an employee of the PNA. This way, everything will hopefully remain above board and in compliance. Specifically about your edit, please bring a reliable source here on the talk page that backs up what you wish to say. Thank you. -- Avi 03:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's really common knowledge that the PNA is the first truly independent government of the Palestinian people in many years I'm sure you know that. Secondly, I am (one of) Palestine's National Authority representatives here on Wikipedia and in my duties I am required to provide accurate information of our official standpoint - in this case that standpoint is "that we are the first truly independent government by Palestinians, for Palestine --Asucena 14:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Common knowledge", however, is (in general) not useful on Wikipedia; the nature of the work here means that pretty much everything has to be demonstrated with reliable sources. It's pretty easy when something is, as you say, common knowledge; there will be many reliable sources asserting the same point, so just pick one and cite it. As far as your duty is concerned: it puts a much heavier burden on you than on other editors, because the presumption has to be that you are biased in favor of your employer. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 20:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to lead 

message: The PNA does not control the entire West Bank, neither nominally or de facto. Therefore, presenting the combined area figures for the West Bank and Gaza Strip as pertaining to the PNA is misleading. Also, presenting maps of the entire GS & WB as "maps of the PNA" is equally wrong.
Unless there is a well-justified objection, I'd like to remove the "area" (and "density") figures. As for the maps, I would like to replace them by a map indicating areas under PNA control (areas "A" and "B"), but since I haven't been able to find a good map for this, I might leave the current maps for now, with a proper comment. -- uriber 19:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area figures and maps 

message: Since the Palestinian National Authority is no longer in control of the Gaza Strip, it is, in my opinion, no longer correct to state Gaza City (or Gaza) as the largest city in the Palestinian National Authority. It is the largest city of the Palestinian territories, but not of the PNA (since Hamas took control of Gaza strip on June 14, 2007). So shouldn't we declare Nablus as the largest city in the PNA controlled area? ColdCase 14:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PNA no longer in control of Gaza Strip 

message: I'm removing the following from the infobox:
East Jerusalem is the desired capital of an independent Palestine.
Whatever is desired as the capital of a future "independent Palestine" has little to do with what the actual capital of the Palestinian National Authority is. AFAIK, The PNA never even claimed Jerusalem as its own capital. Also, Wikipedia itself is not a valid reference. -- uriber 17:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Jerusalem as a "desired capital of an independent Palestine" 

message: Greetings. I realize this is a controversial article with POV disputes. One way to deal with POV would be grammatical style. In some sections, esp Overview, the PNA is not the grammatical subject ("character") of the sentence. Instead, the sentences are about the PLO or diasporta and tell us what the PNA is not. In an article, rather than tell us what the subject of the article is not, it would be better to say what the subject affirmatively is or does. If the current -- grammatically negating -- style reflects some degree of POV, then the proposed encyclopedic style would be more neutral. In any case, it would be better writing style. For example:
The Palestinian diaspora, living outside the West Bank and Gaza, which constitutes the majority of the Palestinian people, are not allowed to vote in elections for PNA offices. 
This sentence could be modified toward better NPOV as follows:
PNA offices are elected by voters in the West Bank and Gaza, not by the Palestinian diaspora, which constitutes the majority of the Palestinian people.
Or this would work as well:
While the Palestinian diaspora constitutes the majority of the Palestinian people, PNA offices are elected by voters in the West Bank and Gaza.
Note that these modifications do not change the informational content, yet aim to improve the neutral delivery.
The lead of the Overview section is more tricky and I don't quite see a neutral reason for the emphasis on the PLO rather than the PNA. Here is the sentence:
The Palestinian Authority is distinct from the PLO, and it is the PLO, not the PNA, which enjoys international recognition as the organization representing the Palestinian people.
For an affirmative sentence about the PNA, I would suggest:
The Palestinian Authority governs parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with international support, while it is the PLO which enjoys international recognition as the organization representing the Palestinian people.
Again this modifications wouldn't change the informational content, yet it would make for a more neutral delivery. My one concern is how to affirmatively and neutrally describe the international "support" or whatever that the PNA itself enjoys. Notice how the current version sets up a contrast but does not give us the affirmative data. 
What do you think?  Thanks. HG | Talk 22:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style -- make PNA the affirmative "subject" of the Overview 

message: I followed a link here from Australia, which mentioned Australia has a conselate in the PNA. DOes the PNA maintain diplomatic missions and if so, where? Basejumper2 08:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embasies and missions 

message: Could we get a picture showing the division of the territory between these areas? Emma.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.218.11 (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas A, B and C 

message: The Israeli government has made it very clear, through the erection of several "anti terrorist walls"(as they call it) that it is not interested in any way in establishing a country of unity with both arabs and israelis living in one country. These walls remind me very much of a similar situation in the partitioning of Berlin and the Berlin Wall. Any further attempts of establishing such a government would be senseless. In my opinion, Tsrael and Palestine should be split into two equal parts, with one common land border and with equal access to the Mediteranean and the Dead Sea. Jerusalem should become an independant city state, and so, all problems (theoretically) should be solved.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.150.47 (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Solution 

message: Hi. You might consider a spin-out for this section. In any case, lawlessness is not a common term for this content. So a renaming of the section would be helpful: how about a combo with Civil disorder and crime? Thanks. HG | Talk 16:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawlessness section 

message: Ok, I couldn't find an updated list of the palestinian cabinet anywhere online, so here's one I've got from the PASSIA Diary 2010 edition (www.passia.org), and double checked to make sure it's updated. This was part of my work and I don't have the time to edit it in in a nice way, so it'd be nice if someone could do that. Well, here it goes:
* Prime Minister - Dr. Salam Fayyad
* Minister of Agriculture - Ismail Daiq
* Minister of Culture & Arts - Seham Barghouti
* Minister of Detainees & Ex-Detainees Affairs - Issa Qaraqe'
* Minister of Education & Higher Education - Lamis Al-Alami
* Minster of Finance - Dr. Salam Fayyad
* Minister of Foreign Affairs - Dr. Riad Al-Malki
* Minister of Health - Dr. Fathi Abu Moghli
* Minister of Information - Dr. Salam Fayyad
* Minister of the Interior - Saed Abu Ali
* Minister of Justice - Dr. Ali Khashan
* Minister of Labor - Dr. Ahmad Majdalani
* Minister of Local Governement - Dr. Khaled Fahed Qawasmeh
* Minister of National Economy - Dr. Hassan Abu Libdeh
* Minister of Planning & Administrative Development - Dr. Ali Jarbawi
* Minister of Public Works & Housing - Dr. Mohammad Shtayyeh
* Minister of Social Affairs - Majida Al-Masri
* Minister of Telecommunication & Information Technology - Dr. Mashhour Abu Daka
* Minister of Tourism & Antiquities - Dr. Khloud Daibes
* Minister of Transportation - Dr. Sadi Al-Krunze
* Minister of Waqf & Religious Affairs - Dr. Mahmoud Al-Habbash
* Minister of Women's Affairs - Rabiha Diab
* Minister of Youth & Sport - Dr. Salam Fayyad  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.95.69.219 (talk) 08:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of ministers 

message: Currently the infobox contains strange name for president and only one for prime minister. Aren't these two in dispute between Hamas/Gaza and Fatah/West Bank? Alinor (talk) 15:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure on the details, but I believe the infobox should be removed in its entirety from this article, as I mentioned above. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  15:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox - president, prime minister 

message: Before I start, I will first acknowledge that I have not edited or created many new articles over the past few years.
Having said that, there are many occurrences of "citations needed" in this article which I think should be addressed or cleaned up. Considering this, should it be necessary to add the corresponding Wikipedia infobox into the relevant sections of this article? Allan kuan1992 (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Citations in Article 

message: Currently the infobox contains strange name for president and only one for prime minister. Aren't these two in dispute between Hamas/Gaza and Fatah/West Bank? Alinor (talk) 15:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure on the details, but I believe the infobox should be removed in its entirety from this article, as I mentioned above. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  15:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox - president, prime minister 

message: Before I start, I will first acknowledge that I have not edited or created many new articles over the past few years.
Having said that, there are many occurrences of "citations needed" in this article which I think should be addressed or cleaned up. Considering this, should it be necessary to add the corresponding Wikipedia infobox into the relevant sections of this article? Allan kuan1992 (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Citations in Article 

message: Shouldn't the infobox on this page be put on the Palestinian territories article instead? Isn't it a bit weird to state the population and area of a political party? Jprulestheworld (talk) 18:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not exactly a political party. Its an interim administrative body set up as a result of the Oslo Accords to oversee governance in Palestinian population centers in the Palestinian territories. It was assigned this task, intially intended to extend over a 5-year period, until final status negotiations with Israel could be concluded. However, because no settlement has been reached, its become instead more of a proxy police force for the Israeli authorities which works on containing resistance to the occupation on their behalf. Which is part of why Hamas has gained such popularity in the Gaza Strip. That perspective, however, is strangely not mentioned in our article and must go down on my massive to-do list. Tiamuttalk 16:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the infobox move. Instead, I think this article should include and be incorporated into the Politics of Israel template, as it is an interim governmental/authoritative structure, not a country. In other words, the infobox, if desired, should be on the Palestinian territories article, and this should receive a government infobox. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  14:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved the template to Palestinian territories. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  17:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just Reverted these edits. The current infobox is the consensus for apparently(?) two years now. Before making such drastic changes to the consensus position, there should be more of a discussion, otherwise this will certainly start an editwar (which must be avoided!). Until there's a consensus to change, please desist from such drastic moves.Bleddynefans (talk) 10:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love for more of a discussion, and would hate an edit war :^) I'm not quite sure how to get more participation, as I've never really dealt with much controversy. What do I need to do? I personally think two years without a disagreement on the talk page on a higher profile page (implied consensus) would be grounds for a move, though. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  18:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: After having left this topic open for several months and not eliciting any feedback, I have moved the infobox over to Palestinian territories. Other territories, such as Puerto Rico and Aceh, have the infoboxes, so I don't think this is radical at all. Please feel free to update the infobox as necessary to reflect the move. Also, at the same time I am removing it from Palestinian National Authority, as this is a governing political body of sorts, not the country/territory/region itself. As far as this needing consensus, I think it's unwise to prevent an edit just because there's no evidence of support; instead, if you feel so inclined to revert it, please give a functional reason for doing so. As an alternative to the infobox, I imagine one could be created for Palestine like the Politics of Bermuda article or something. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  16:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly object to this move. Your argument on consensus might be vaild, if ihis were not a article within the scope of the highly controversial and sensitive area of the Arab–Israeli conflict. There must be some sort of consensus on important aspects of an article like this., the removal of the infobox drastically changes the nature of the whole article. I find your arguments and the expamples you give wholly unconvincing and therefore I had to revert back to the status quo. Bleddynefans (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where would I take this to get more feedback? I posed the question earlier but got no reply. No one else seems to have voiced objections, and there is no logic in leaving the infobox where it doesn't belong. I welcome any further discussion, but don't know where to turn. ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  03:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: A recent edit changed all references from PNA to PA. I'm not familiar with the correct abbreviation, but it seems to be from the title of this article, as well as the intro paragraph, that the current organisation is Palestinian National Authority, and thus would be abbreviated as PNA? ~Araignee (talk • contribs)  21:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The name used by the PA/PNA itself always includes "National" in it, Israel on the other hand refuses the inclusion of the word "National", and would not go easy with it when it is printed on documents, thus although all signs and speaches would include the word "National", the identification cards published for the palestinians (by the palestinians) but controlled and constantly verified by israili for daily transactions of palestinians with the israili authorities (applying for movement permits, building permits, crossing a checkpoint ...etc) does not include the word national on it, the name without National is mentioned in oslo accords. this is on one hand, on the other hand, some palestinians also stick to not using National because of National being a synonym of patriotic in arabic, and some palestinians consider this falsification and subliminal message (clearly those who do so do not consider the PA respectable or patriotic or caring for the palestinian national rights). so the "official" name pushed by the PA would be PNA, in real life, you would find both forms, those who use PA use it for reasons that are practically (from a political perspective) on opposite poles. --Mayz (talk) 19:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PNA or PA? 

message: Any source confirming these are official languages? Fipplet أهلا و سهلا  00:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think English might be official, but Hebrew, even though widely implemented is definately not an official language of the PA.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew & English