Talk:Modoc people

message: This isn't right.  It'd be like the article for Mexico redirecting to Mexican American War.  I'll get a stubby article about the Modoc up in a little bit.  Gentgeen 08:38, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled section

message: I suppose it's Timothy; his brother Willy referred to him as Timmy; both were from Redding and had a parallel life in Quesnel, British Columbia where their mother works; through her they are descendants of Kintpuash and Willy was a friend of mine - I know this isn't a social networking site but if a Modoc happens to know Willy I'd almost say he's notable too, although his career in Saudi royal security I guess isn't a matter of public record/newsworthiness.  But from what I know about Tim, he was possibly notable as a Native American professional - a rising architect whose death at the hands of some State Troopers on the "back way" through Idaho/Eastern Washington to California from Quesnel outraged Willy whenever he talked about it (he maintained his brother was targeted for being too successful); not sure how "high" Timmy got in architecture, but if there's someone who knows this story has legs please write it up; I haven't heard from Willy in years but in respect for his friendship and what he taught me about the Modoc people and Captain Jack I'd like to honour the family by at least proposing that a bio of Timmy be written, if he's suitably notable; their mother Sharon Bailey may also be, for all I know (I don't know here even though I'm in BC).Skookum1 18:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Architect [[Timothy Bailey]]

message: Apparently the page is lacking sources. So, heres a few to help:
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/modoc.html
http://www.nativeamericans.com/Modoc.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/modoc/modochist.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oregon/modochist.htm
Axxus (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: This was posted at WP:CITE. Could anyone here help this person? ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 06:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this person know that you've moved the discussion here? Katr67 (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that person has any intention of coming back to Wikipedia. I think they are hoping someone will write or email them. There's a small chance someone here will help.  ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Hi. Wikipedia isn't really here to help people with questions such as these and talk pages are to be used to discuss improvements to Wikipedia articles. However, I'll leave a note in a couple of places and see if anyone can direct you to a place where you can find help. You might try our Reference Desk. Also, have you checked in with the Klamath Tribes and the Modoc Tribe of Oklahoma about their tribal rolls? (links to the tribal websites should be on those pages) Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post forwarded from [[WP:CITE]] 

message: I am new at this so please bare with me.  I am Modoc Indian.  My mother had all the paperwork i.e. scroll, type of Indian, ect.  When she passed away, I could not find any of the paperwork she had.  We all were paid a certain amount for our land, but still being able to use it.  I would like to know how I can find out where the scrolls are located and ask for information regarding how to get myself and my childrens names on the scrolls.  I know we are on them.  Need a phone number or address to get me started.  I have been looking all over the net and cannot seem to find anything regarding this information.  If you could be of any help I would surely appreciate it.
Thanking you in advance.  Pat Roth aka Rambo and Maloney Rambo from Mom, Irish from Dad.  Personal information commented out  I was born in Klamath Falls, lived in Merill till I was 5, then moved with Mom to San Francisco.  Still in California, am located in the beginning of the Sierra Mountains.
I look forward to hearing from those who have any info I can get.
Thanks, Pat 173.16.63.222 (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Wikipedia isn't really here to help people with questions such as these and talk pages are to be used to discuss improvements to Wikipedia articles. However, I'll leave a note in a couple of places and see if anyone can direct you to a place where you can find help. You might try our Reference Desk. Also, have you checked in with the Klamath Tribes and the Modoc Tribe of Oklahoma about their tribal rolls? (links to the tribal websites should be on those pages) Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking For Modoc Scroll Of Indians 

message: One of the perils of failing to correctly cite sources is determining later what the original source was, after everybody and his brother has scraped the content from Wikipedia, either first-hand or second-hand.
For example, the only source clearly attributed for this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modoc#Treaty_with_the_United_States is: http://www.oklahoma-tribes.com/modoc-tribe-of-oklahoma/
Attempting to learn when this content was published, I did a dated Google search of what should have been a unique phrase from that page, whic shows that this phrase appeared on AbsoluteAstronomy.com as early as April 1, 2000: Dated Search.  Therefore, if AbsoluteAstronomy.com had scraped this content from Oklahoma-Tribes.com, that would mean that they had this content at least that early.
However, AbsoluteAstronomy.com DID NOT scrape that content from Oklahoma-Tribes.com!  Rather, they  credit Wikipedia as their source.  Further, the first mention of Modoc Google can find on Oklahoma-Tribes.com only dates to February 1, 2001: Dated Search
Returning to this very Wikipedia article, I find that it is indeed the source of the unique phrase quoted from Oklahoma-Tribes.com - a fact that I could have recognized with much less fuss, if only I had been paranoid enough to search for such duplicity.
I'm removing the circular citations, tagging the section as unreferenced, and tagging paragraphs with citation needed.  To avoid further circular sourcing, it would be best to cite sources older than Y2K. Downstrike (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circular Sourcing 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chipewyan people which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 09:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved There was a consensus that, absent a centralized discussion about the naming of ethnicity articles, and without primacy of topic being proven, the article should not be moved. Note that the nominator is currently blocked for RM-related disruption.  DavidLeighEllis (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Modoc people →  – target page is a dab page, started as "Modoc (disambiguation)" on April 25 2006 by Dpv, then moved to "Modoc" by Parsecboy on June 21 2011, citing "fixing dab location"; the people article was originally at Modoc but was moved by Kwami on May 15 2011 in violation of WP:UNDAB and WP:Conciseness.  A survey of what's on the dab page shows nothing that could be construed as a more PRIMARYTOPIC than the people. Skookum1 (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

text: There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't.  That could be revisited.  But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people".  — kwami (talk) 12:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this is a difference between Canadian and American English, but it's absolutely incorrect to say that a county is never referred to without "county." In official contexts? Yes, you're more likely to see Foo County for clarity. That's why we wouldn't title a county without "County" in the name. But in common usage, counties can definitely be referred to by name alone, especially when they are relatively unique. It's analogous to the Mississippi River case described at WP:PTM. --BDD (talk) 17:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
*re "There was a consensus that, absent a centralized discussion about the naming of ethnicity articles, and without primacy of topic being proven, the article should not be moved. " = there was no such consensus, and as CambridgeBayWeather has repeatedly observed in other RMs that have resulted in closed/moved and in some where his point has been rationalized away by wiki-lawyering that were not moved, the guidelines mandating such moves already exist (and I mean TITLE and NCDAB and more, not just NCET, which is a spin-off of NCP).Skookum1 (talk) 02:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Are the Modoc people relations of the Lutuanian people ? Tjlynnjr (talk) 09:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Lutuanian ?

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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