Talk:Bob Woolmer/Archive 1

message: I removed the following contribution because I felt it was unsourced and a bit non-NPOV:
:Woolmer currently enjoys success with the Pakistan team as the team is very close to be placed 2nd on ICC's ranking.	 
:Woolmer is appreciated by the Pakistani team especially for introducing new techniques.
:Under is coaching, Pakistan team enjoys unity, confidence and ultimately better results.
However, it would be useful to acknowledge the success Pakistan have had recently in a factual way. For example, a comparison of Pakistan's results under Woolmer and in the immediately preceding years would be useful, if anyone can make one. But it has to be based on verifiable fact, not just opinions!
Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed passage 

message: umm--who updated his deth? i mean at was pretty fast--i found out on Saturday--3:00.--its sad he died. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.145.13 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 18 March 2007  (UTC)
I found an obituary at BBC for reference: 
Shenme 21:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Sometimes you just have to laugh at the vandals Wikipedia:May the Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense Be With You#From Bob Woolmer Nil Einne 18:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit of humour in this time 

message: I took out reference to the blood and vomit. I think its a bit tasteless and not encyclopedic - even if sourced. --Spartaz Humbug! 19:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. IMO. The relevant facts are that he died, that he was ill and we still don't know what he died of but that once its reliably reported we will include it. I just think we should avoid sensationalising the death until/unless more detail is released. --Spartaz Humbug! 20:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, leave it out.  Newsworthy ≠ Encyclopaedic. —Moondyne 01:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally still feel it is encyclopaedic and not sensationalising it. It's no different IMHO from reporting that he was diabetic or that his family thought it was a heart attack due to stress. But I'm not going to fight over it Nil Einne 12:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manner of Death 

message: I have condensed the section on ball tampering. I have removed the quotes, which aren't really necessary or desired in an encyclopedic article, and tried to distill the meaning into a couple of phrases. Much of the first two paragraphs was repetative, and the long paragraph with quotes was mostly related to the then-upcoming 20twenty match. Here's the diff. Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to ball-tampering section 

message: I added the thing on armbands etc based on the reference. But it appears that a minutes silence and black armbands are being worn in the NZ-Kenya game today as well. Don't have a reference unfortunately Nil Einne 14:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armbands etc 

message: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/19/sports/cricket.php —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.93.76.8 (talk) 07:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informative article 

message: In the last paragraph talking about the death, it is said:
:On Wednesday 21 March 2007, following an inconclusive autopsy, the Jamaican Police
It should be 20 March, because, the news of suspicion came hours before Jamaica went into 21st March, but Asia was already in 21st March.
Done. --Spartaz Humbug! 12:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Error 

message: At the moment the section Death during 2007 World Cup  (or any others) do not contain any reference to Pakistan's defeat against Ireland. Tintin 12:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note to the editors 

message: Some examples:
*Hong Kong Standard - 22/03/2007
*The Sun - 21/03/2007
*Online News - 22/03/2007
*Daily Mirror - 21/03/2007
*Geelong Advertiser - 21/03/2007
*Daily India - 21/03/2007
*Carribbean Cricket - 20/03/2007
*News Today 21/03/2007
*Kent News - 21/03/2007
That last one has the reports of his widow dismissing the claims. Carcharoth 21:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The denial is useful. I had it in before Spartaz reverted (albeit a shorter version). It seems wholly appropriate to discuss the widely-reported conspiracy theories along with her denial of them. The fact that newspapers are reporting and questioning her on the match-fixing murder theories suggests to me that it's a highly notable point of view that should be included in the article. I don't understand the opposition to this. Whitewashing the story by not mentioning the MASSIVE buzz about betting (for which Nawaz's comments are the only good source) is absurd and doesn't accurately reflect reality. Nssdfdsfds 21:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: keeping discussion in one place, see my comments in previous section. Spartaz Humbug! 21:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper article links