Template talk:University of California

message: I received the following from User:Allyunion on my talk page:
I just wanted to stay that it looks horribly uneven with the list of campuses on two lines, with the bottom line much much smaller than the top. The 6 campuses on the top, and the 4 campuses on the bottom made it at least a bit nicer. It just looks so... uneven to me with the 8 campuses on top and the 2 campuses on the bottom.
Perhaps it would be better to include a table within a table and put five campus on top and five campuses on the bottom? Right now, I think it looks messy. Not having it one line or not having it look even just doesn't really work.
I agree that it looks uneven and someone with the html skills should fix it, but we also have to take into account how it would look on smaller (eg 800 x 600 px) screens. --Jiang 21:59, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have HTML skills, just lazy ^^;; - Allyunion 07:54, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial comments 

message: Rather than editing the template itself and having disagreements over the look, I'll put my suggested change here:
University of California		
    
      Berkeley
      Davis
      Irvine
      Los Angeles
      Merced
    
    
      Riverside
      San Diego
      San Francisco
      Santa Barbara
      Santa Cruz	
Does this look fine? Allyunion 06:16, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki + HTML Table 

message: University of California
      
        
          
            Berkeley
            Davis
            Irvine
            Los Angeles
            Merced
          
          
            Riverside
            San Diego
            San Francisco
            Santa Barbara
            Santa Cruz
          
        
      
    
  
  
   
I put the three formats, the second one I just discovered recently how to do.  The third one I just put it up for the heck of it.
- Allyunion 06:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML only 

message: (via edit conflict, written before you posted the differnt codes) I converted to a 800 x 600 screen and the options looked like this:
frame|center|The old (current) version. Looks nice on the small screens, but has the problems you stated above for larger screens. 
frame|center|Your first new version. I initially reverted it because on my 1024x768 screen, it created two uneven blue bands on the sides of the UC seal, as opposed to the thin border pictured here and also visible for the old (current) version on my screen.
frame|center|Your proposal above. For small screens, the vertical expansion makes it rather ugly. For larger screens, the spacing is larger on top and uneven.
--Jiang 06:39, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The options compared

message: By the way, we can't always please everyone at every screensize.  Granted, 800 X 600 is a worthy resolution to consider, but anything smaller, such as 640 X 480 isn't really worth considering.  The majority of users I believe use 1024 X 768, unless they are old -- then they use 800 X 600.  Under the 800 X 600 resolution, the current template fits on three lines, with Santa Cruz on the last line -- orphaned alone.  I really think that the consideration for a 640 X 480 should not be a high priority in this case.  There is about 35 pixels from the Template border of the article entry to the table border of the navigational menu on the left side.  On the right side, there is about 132 pixels left under a 800 X 600 resolution.  Besides, the only reason anyone uses a smaller resolution is because they can't read the text -- which means having the text small doesn't help at all. - Allyunion 06:45, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  800 by 600 resolution 

message: University of California	
{|      	Berkeley     	Davis        	Irvine    	Los Angeles	Merced
Riverside               	San Diego	San Francisco	Santa Barbara	Santa Cruz	           	
- Allyunion 06:53, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Much more spacing on the first row than the second. --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying without a margin... 

message: University of California	
{|      	Berkeley     	Davis        	Irvine    	Los Angeles	Merced
Riverside               	San Diego	San Francisco	Santa Barbara	Santa Cruz	           	
- Allyunion 06:54, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: border around seal is fine, but links broken into two lines are harder too follow. --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying without center, and a set pixel size 

message: University of California	
{|          	Berkeley  	Davis	Irvine	Los Angeles
Merced                  	Riverside    	San Diego 	     	      	
San Francisco           	Santa Barbara	Santa Cruz	     	      	
- Allyunion 06:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: big chunk of white space underneath "Los Angeles". Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz are too close to tell the links apart. --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's try 4 campus, then 3, then 3... 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
                Los Angeles
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
      
    
- Allyunion 07:19, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: uneven spacing, as above. im also getting two bands of blue next to the seal. --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki's tables aren't working for me... going to HTML 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Los Angeles
                Merced
                Riverside
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Diego
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:22, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: spacing the line break issues, as above --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's try 3, 3, then 4... 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Los Angeles
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:25, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay...  going for 3, 4, 3 

message: === 4 UCs, 3 UCs, 3 UCs ===
   
    University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
                Los Angeles
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oops, let's make University of California two lines... 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
                Los Angeles
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 UCs, 3 UCs, 3 UCs 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Los Angeles
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 UCs, 4 UCs, 3 UCs 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Los Angeles
                Merced
                Riverside
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Diego
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
- Allyunion 07:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 UCs, 3 UCs, 4 UCs 

message: I think the 4, 3, 3 with a set width looks good.  I used 485 px, which SHOULD work under a 640 X 480 resolution with no margin.  Do you perfer it with a margin or without?  It looks like it has enough spaces to use a margin, slightly.
- Allyunion 07:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision comments 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
                Los Angeles
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
Notes: Table is now set at 450px.  This WELL should work under a 640 X 480, but my laptop doesn't support that resolution so I can't test that.  I've added the style margin comment, but removed the style width comment in favor for a standard table width parameter since I'm using HTML code.  Additionally, I should think the code should pass XHTML standards.
- Allyunion 07:39, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shrinking the table a bit, readding a bit of margin 

message: University of California
    
      
        
          
            
              
                Berkeley
                Davis
                Irvine
                Los Angeles
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                Merced
                Riverside
                San Diego
              
            
          
        
        
          
            
              
                San Francisco
                Santa Barbara
                Santa Cruz
              
            
          
        
      
    
  
Notes: Restoring the code to original format, with margin, centers, etc.  By the way, div align tags are now favored over center tags.
- Allyunion 07:48, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with all these variations is that the spacing is inconsistent, making the table look messy. A | mark works to separate adjacent links. I think by the looks of it, breaking into tables like this isn't going to work. How about making the "University of California" a horizontal bar on top, above the links? --Jiang 02:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring the code with the edits 

message: Berkeley | Davis | Irvine | Los Angeles | Merced | Riverside | San Diego | San Francisco | Santa Barbara | Santa Cruz
      
        
University of California
        
      
    
  
This is how I found the template a couple of days ago, and changed it; it looked like this: uctemplate.png. This design has problems:
*It seemed to be designed to have two rows, with a break separating them, but it's a fixed-width table. This is bound to break, and it did, with the first row wrapping a bit, then the br, then the second row.
*Even if it hadn't wrapped like that, the rows are not centered.
*The extra vertical bar at the end of the top row doesn't look good.
Hope you like the new version. --Yath 15:11, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Across the bottom 

message: If there is no objection, seeing as you haven't responded in awhile, I will now put up the new template. --Allyunion 06:25, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  No objection... 

message: Eh...  I dunno, it's just I dislike the idea of the auto fit width to the image and text... --AllyUnion (talk) 12:06, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  No complaints? 

message: All images used in templates that will appear outside the main articles for which their respective fair-use rationales hold (see WP:F) must be free images.  UC seals and any other images copyrighted by the UC Regents will not be free to use here, no matter how low the resolution. --Dynaflow 13:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This particular seal was adopted in 1910, and is thus in the public domain. See WP:Public_domain.  It is not subject to copyright, so we don't have to worry about fair use. Though it's still a trademark.  See WP:Logos.  I think, correct me if I'm wrong, we can use the seal in this template.Nguyenmdk (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  (copied from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_University_of_California#UC_Template_image) I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell, the seal still being in active use as a trademark means that it's not "free" and thus Wikipedia:Non-free content guidelines apply. I personally don't care, I even think it's a great idea, but putting the seal in the template would reproduce it all over the UC articles and thus violate the minimal use provisions of  Wikipedia policy. I wouldn't be the one to revert for doing that, but plenty of other people will. Ameriquedialectics 14:56, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use

message: Anyone object to adding PHEV Research Center?  It wouldn't create the need for another line, and is pertinent, especially as of recently. 71.137.196.107 (talk) 02:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to keep the template from becoming gigantic and overcrowded, I'd prefer it if we limited the articles listed to those on the campuses, on the hospitals, and on the large, detached, UC-wide research institutions which are geographically distinct from their administering campuses.  The PHEV Research Center should be listed on , though, if it isn't already.  --Dynaflow babble 18:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To an extent, the PHEV Research Center is UC-wide -- it's administered in parts all throughout California.  While some on there already, are only on 1 campus, such as Berkeley.  I say we make it all UC or get to include some specifics.  70.133.71.75 (talk) 18:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Other UC-wide research centers, such as UC Citrus Experiment Station, University of California Institute for Mexico and the United States and University of California Center for Water Resources, are adequately represented in the campus-specific template:Template:University of California, Riverside. The national labs at Berkeley are of obvious national historic significance. Concur with Dynaflow against overcrowding the UC template. Ameriquedialectics 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Another for addition of mind institute.  How is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_Observatory any more important, seriously? 76.20.18.186 (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "World's first permanently occupied mountain-top observatory," built between 1876 and 1887. We could put dozens of ORUs  on the UC template, it would overcrowd it. Ameriquedialectics 00:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The MInd institute is JUST as important...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.18.186 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  additional research branch 

message: For future reference, I'm using the official UC palette from here: http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/graphicresources/elements.php#colors.  --Dynaflow babble 08:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors 

message: Hastings is not on the official UC letterhead nor the official list of UC campuses. In this case, Hastings appears to have been added in this edit in 2006 by a user who has not been active for 10 years. Any objections before I delete it from the infobox? --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:45, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No response after over two years. I'm pulling it out. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to delete Hastings 

message: Are there any thoughts on adding University of California, Washington Center to the template? I think it could either go in the "Campus" line as "Washington Center" or a new line could be created (internship?). As far as I can tell, it's not administered by any specific campus. Bigcheddar (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Washington Center