Talk:Measles

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thread_title: Actions to improve page

message: The second last sentence in the 2nd para says this:
Most people do not get the disease more than once.[6] 
However, the WHO fact sheet cited in [6] above doesn't say anything about this:
:Changed the reference to the CDC Pink book Ch 13, p. 212.  They discuss that the IgG response is similar to either vaccine or wild-type virus, and that it persists for years. Ian Furst (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't even need a biological explanation, just epidemiology. We typically do not see repeat cases of measles, regardless of the reason. MartinezMD (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  This isn't really the place, because this isn't about the article, but you should not assume you are immune if you have had it before. Last month, a man who thought he was immune because he had it as a child infected 38 people. I'm not saying you wouldn't be, but it isn't safe to assume that. Natureium (talk) 17:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I said typically ;) In cases like the one you cite, it's possible he had measles before. It's also possible he was misdiagnosed and had another illness as a child. MartinezMD (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are those of us who have had measles immune? 

message: The direct cause is a decrease in immunization. This has occurred due to a number of reasons and IMO just listing one in the lead is undue weight. Thus this belongs " and a spike in the "Anti-Vax" movement" in the body not the lead. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What are the other reasons (and relative percentage to the effect if available)? I think that would make a difference in whether it should be in the lead or the body. MartinezMD (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of increase in measles between 2017 to 2019

message: In the epidemiology section for Europe there is an incorrect use of there:
Currently it reads: "In 2019 the United Kingdom, Albania, Czechia, and Greece lost there measles free status due to ongoing and prolonged spread of the disease in these countries.[93]"
It should read "In 2019 the United Kingdom, Albania, Czechia, and Greece lost their measles free status due to ongoing and prolonged spread of the disease in these countries.[93]"
Please change there to their.
Thanks 
Ash Singalash (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for spotting the error. Graham Beards (talk) 21:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2019 

message: *https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/31/measles-wipes-out-immune-systems-memory-study-finds -- 2001:14BA:984A:F200:0:0:0:8EA (talk) 08:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immunosupression more damaging than believed 

message: Hello! We are a group of medical students from Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. We are working to improve this article over the next month and will be posting our planned changes on this talk page. We look forward to working with the existing Wikipedia medical editing community to improve this article and share evidence.
Thank you in advance for your assistance and feedback!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriammaes (talk • contribs) 20:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen's University Medical Student Editing Initiative 

message: Hello! We are a group of medical students from Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. We are working to improve this article over the next month and will be posting our planned changes on this talk page. We look forward to working with the existing Wikipedia medical editing community to improve this article and share evidence.
Thank you in advance for your assistance and feedback!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriammaes (talk • contribs) 20:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for sharing all these improvements  To help Wikipedians review these ideas to improve the article, can you please add in citations, preferably after every sentence you add. I added  tags above as examples. Please feel free to delete them as you go! You can paste your PMIDS/DOIs into the citation tool as we did in class on the 11th to auto-populate the citation Wikipedia style. I am happy to help with this as well on the 25th in class. Thank you again! JenOttawa (talk) 02:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen's University Medical Student Editing Initiative 

message: Under "prognosis" (first paragraph), the page says "About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1000 will die." I would be interested in a source on the hospitalization number, as it does not match what I am familiar with myself (which, to be honest, is just a single outbreak of several dozen cases). As the page is semi-protected, I can't add the [citation needed] myself, hence this comment. 2001:67C:2564:331:F9AB:882A:951C:8667 (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the numbers regarding child deaths. The CDC summary was updated in 2018 and 2019 and now says one to three children will die. We'll have to review the others. MartinezMD (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for hospitalization rate 

message: Why are there so much cases in europe in recent years? Are they imported with foreigners trying to get illegal into europe?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.81.251 (talk) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe 

message: I have summarized the cases betweeen 1938 and 2019 in the US, also the vaccine coverage level.
Best, --Julius Senegal (talk) 09:17, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  cases in the USA, 1938-2019 

message: In the 3rd paragraph of the introduction: "The risk of death among those infected is about 0.2%,[5] but may be up to 10% in people with malnutrition.[7]"
Are the percentages CFR (Case Fatality Rate) or IFR (Infection Fatality Rate)? Source says: "Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992." Based on source I would think 0.2% is CFR and therefore wikipedia article should not say "risk of death among those infected". Should say "risk of death among identified cases" or something.
(I'm not an expert. Just trying to compare CFR and IFR of different diseases.)71.191.92.147 (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I clarified that statement. Ruslik_Zero 20:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case Fatality Rate vs Infection Fatality Rate 

message: Is there a better photo? That photo seems quite controversial  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankour (talk • contribs) 10:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What is controversial about it? I restored it since, without a replacement, there wasn't a good reason to remove it given MartinezMD (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

text: It features a naked child. Isn't that disturbing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankour (talk • contribs) 13:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it does not and it is not.Graham Beards (talk) 13:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the photo 

message: Hello, we are a group of medical student’s from Queen’s University. We are working to improve this article over the next month and will posting our planned changes on this talk page. We look forward to working with the existing Wikipedia medical editing community to improve this article and share evidence. We welcome feedback and suggestions as we learn to edit. Thank you. KTyyy1 (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit is good. Harrison's is certainly a good secondary source, but it's behind a paywall and your average reader doesn't have access to it. If you can find an open source it would be better. MartinezMD (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks for sharing this. I was looking at your reference. This looks like a news piece from the WHO which summarizes this CDC report, including the potential for an impact due to COVID. Am I correct? Is anyone more familiar with these sources to suggest what best fits MEDRS? JenOttawa (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this!, yes I just read the report, I think it was not available yet at the time of my research! I will change my reference for the official report. Ldelorme9811 (talk) 14:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Let's see if anyone else has some feedback on what would be the most appropriate source on Wikipedia. Probably CDC report? WHO news piece is a secondary source but would not be peer reviewed so would be weaker, I am assuming, as it looks to be written by a medical journalist from the WHO. Is the CDC a "report" a study on it's own though? I did not read that carefully.  this is just my 2-cents,  do you have a suggestion for which of the two sources to use when adding in this evidence to Wikipedia? JenOttawa (talk) 14:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're talking about reference #1, it's a news report, of a summary, of a bunch of separate reports lol. The cite has a specific link to the MMWR article. I think that one is a better source. MartinezMD (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I will use the second reference for my official change to the page.Ldelorme9811 (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Same theme as before, it's behind a paywall. That is not exclusionary, but if you can find an open source it would be better. MartinezMD (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I have not checked the source, but I really like the way you have written this- much more clear than the previous version. Cochrane reviews can be challenging to paraphrase as you need to consider the actual published review and the plain language summary to ensure you are not accidentally copying the text. Can you add wikilinks to terms (as long as they are not linked earlier in the article? intramuscular injection and/or antibodies, for example?JenOttawa (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks for sharing this. For your last sentence, please re-use the same citation to highlight where this evidence came from. When you add your references while editing the actual article, you can see the options "automatic Manual Re-use". The first time you add the citation (if it is not already used in an article, click "automatic" and add your PMID, DOI, or website, then click "generate" to fill the template. The second time you want to use the same citation in an article, click "reusue" and search for your citation in the list. This adds in the a,b,c versus duplicating the citation in the list. If possible, practice this in your sandbox before editing live on Monday. Thanks again!JenOttawa (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks for sharing this. Do you have specific page numbers from where you found this evidence in the text book? Some online books do not, but if you do have them, please manually add to the citation when you edit it into the Wikipedia article.JenOttawa (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen's University Medical Student Editing Initiative 

message: I would like to have the following paragraph added to the Research section
Research has identified over 24 measles genotypes and many measles strains (including wild strains). Genotypes are generally restricted to specific areas so in measles free countries any outbreaks will come from those imported areas. The MMR vaccine is effective against all genotypes and strains, but a double dose of the vaccine is recommended for best protection.
Thank you HaraldW1954 (talk)
:Most of this is covered in Measles morbillivirus and this citation is little more than a blog and is not compliant with our policies. See WP:MEDRS. Graham Beards (talk) 07:28, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: new paragraph in Research section on strains and Genotypes

message: In the info box, in the article lede paragraph, and in the alternative names section, please change "rubeola" to "rubeola (not to be confused with rubella)".  Rubeloa and rubella are two different diseases, but the words have similar pronunciations, and searching online for info on one tends to bring up information on another. 47.139.45.80 (talk) 16:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: There's already a hatnote, we don't need more. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  22:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2022 

message: In the Signs and Symptoms section, I suggest removing mention of 'itching': 
"It starts on the back of the ears and, after a few hours, spreads to the head and neck before spreading to cover most of the body, often causing itching."
Measles is not usually an itchy rash. It may cause itching on occasion, but this is not 'often'. 
Source: NHS (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/measles/) 
"The spots of the measles rash are sometimes raised and join together to form blotchy patches. They're not usually itchy."
I am a Public Health specialist
Many thanks. Rainwaker (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinchme123 (talk) 04:00, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2023 

message: Update the frequency and death statistics in the info box as follow: 
Frequency: 20 million per year -> Frequency: 9.2+ million per year 
Death: 140,000+ 2018 -> 130,000+ (2022)
Using the following source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreaks-cdc-who-report-2022/
Thank you! If this update is not necessary that's okay too! New editor. Triviameetsgame (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. It would be better to use the CDC report as a source (). I'll read it a see what can be used. Thanks again. Graham Beards (talk) 10:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2024 

message: The article states the following:
> and in about 1 in 600 unvaccinated infants under 15 months while more rarely in older children and adults, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, which is progressive and eventually lethal. [37]
SAP is diagnosed years after the fact, and the summary gives the impression that it happens in unvaccinated infants. In fact in the source study, the children were median age 12 years old and had been vaccinated (though they has measles illness as infants before they were old enough for the shot).
Further, the source used in this article does not actually state 1 in 600. However, that claim can be justified by this research :https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/3/suppl_1/916/2637718?login=false
What about
> and in about 1 in 600 infants who contract measles before 15 months of age, a late onset complication called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis can manifest years later, which is progressive and eventually lethal. 98.21.66.81 (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I'd want to make sure does SSP begin years later or does it start at the time of infection and is only detected long after? (I also made 2 minor typo corrections on your proposal. Didn't think you'd mind.) MartinezMD (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research Summarized Inaccurately 

message: I tried to retrieve your reference #10, "Global Measles Outbreaks" from the CDC. Unfortunately, I get a 404 error (page not found) when I click the link. I searched the CDC site for a page with the title "Global Measles Outbreaks" and didn't find anything that seemed to match. Most likely, the CDC has revised their website since you created the link in question.
That link is trying to go to https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/measles/globalmeaslesoutbreaks.htm
The way to fix this would be for someone to find a link on the CDC website to support the text on your page, that text being "Deaths 140,000+ (2018)". 96.19.97.54 (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Link Rot" for Reference #10