Talk:John Hewson

message: Earlier this week administrator  reverted some edits by user: ‎Celco85 in this article as well as some other articles resulting in the editor being blocked for 24 hours. Yesterday the editor returned with some more unacceptable edits - one of which was reverted by  (who has also reverted edits by this editor in other articles) and the rest by myself. It was then found that the article contained many bare references, some were duplicates and some did not work. With the assistance of  this was sorted out so that all references appeared correct. Shortly after this was completed the editor concerned made a number more edits where I immediately found that one reference was duplicated which I deleted. And others also appear duplicated or without cover, making the reference section again look a mess. Hence I have again reverted to the previous version by MarnetteD. In article Carolyn Hewson John Hewson's second wife, it had been edited in that John Hewson was at fault in the break up of his first marriage based on a statement by his first wife which could not be considered a reliable source - this have also been reverted. Fleet Lists (talk) 04:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since yesterday afternoon Australian time he has posted another 9 frivolous edits most of which again did not provide correct references - all but 1 edit reverted in two separate steps. In 1994 Liberal Party of Australia leadership spill‎ I also needed to sort out two references which he had added and ran into each other.Fleet Lists (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Neither of those references were dead. One of them worked fine for me while for the other one an archived version was available which has been used in place of the one which was not working so your edits have again all been reverted. And if a reference is dead it should not be deleted but flagged as a dead link. And also when editing on a talk page please add your signature which you =have not dome on either occasion.Fleet Lists (talk) 11:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Report at WP:ANI? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:20, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

text: A good place to looks for older Australian material is Trove https://trove.nla.gov.au as it has archived websites going back for over 20 years. But as you have worked out no need to include frivolous or speculative material. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with this article 

message: Hewson did some remarkable things. Credit where credit is due. But this article reads like an enrolment of Hewson. Needs editing and abbreviating. BuckyRodgers (talk) 09:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of article 

message: Can this be added to the article it was after the 
birthday cake interview? --~~Celco5~~
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/127199581/13962567  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celco85 (talk • contribs) 09:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keatings visit to bakery 

message: it was Petro Georgiou who was John Hewson's chief of staff in 1994 to answer a question asked by a ip user.
--~Celco85~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celco85 (talk • contribs) 10:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old archived question 

message: Hawke told Hewson he let Australia down in his opinion by not becoming Prime Minister this can this be placed back in the article --Celco85Celco85 (talk) 08:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This can not be accepted without a source. Talk:Bob Hawke throws doubt on the source used. Also the source does NOT support that Bob Hawke said this - only that Hewson claims that Hawke said this - which is not the same thing. Hence any wording in the article must reflect this. And as myself and at least two editors have suggested to you on a number of occasions, references should by formatted. It should not be left to other editors to continually clean up your edits after you.Fleet Lists (talk) 07:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Even if Hewson is the one claiming it everyone knows Hawke had contempt for Paul Keating after he took the job of PM From him.--Celco85Celco85 (talk) 09:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone does NOT know so it mist be covered. No such assumptions should be made.Fleet Lists (talk) 10:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, the question here is relevance. Hewson's long-after-the-fact recollection of something Bob Hawke said to him does not belong in an encyclopedic article. Frickeg (talk) 10:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hawke 

message: "If the one source supports all these facts, why not put everything in the same paragraph?"
In answer to Instant Comma's question. 
It is basically common courtesy to the reader to put these facts separately for ease of reading.
I didn't appreciate Instant Comma removing the facts about Hewson's preselection and his early days in Parliament that I put in on the basis that it was unsourced.
It wasn't unsourced as I put in the article from Trove which he had also removed.
I suggest that he should have checked with the sourced article to see if it correlated with what I wrote in this article instead of immediately removing it without doing such a check. 
It frankly felt like a misrepresentation to me. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: One of your sentences was sourced. The rest were not. There was no way for the reader to know that the reference at the end of your sixth paragraph applied to the preceding five as well. My solution was to pull all six paragraphs together. Given that each of these paragraphs was long one-sentence long, this would have the added benefit of making your edit conform with Wikipedia's Manual of Style: "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text" (see MOS:PARA). Instant Comma (talk) 16:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instant Comma's question 

message: Tony Abbott worked for Hewson as his Media Advisor and near the
Abbott photo on the page is a sentence based on remarks Abbott made about Hewson's recently ended leadership of the
Liberal party. --Celco85Celco85 (talk) 08:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr Abbott 

message: I remember when speculation on John Hewson's leadership at the time it was said that his strategy in trying to save his leadership was to promote rivals on his frontbench.
Unfortunately now I am not able to find any of this online.
Can anyone help on this?  49.3.72.79 (talk) 03:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promote rivals