Talk:Shantideva

message: I deleted this para, because it's the first time heard it, and there's no citation or anything. And I've just been through the newbie's guide to NPOV (heavy going), and I think it's inappropriate to be saying "contrary to X's view", without saying what X's view is.
---MrDemeanour 00:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contrary... Bangladeshi King 

message: The link to Shantideva.net hast nothing to do with Shantideva himself nor with Tibetan Buddhism either. His webmaster, aka himself Shan Chien Da Shi, lives in Spain and has been tagged as a pretender a year ago. Five years ago he started to prey, calling himself then Thera Karavika.
Shantideva.net offers information from the Shantideva Project _a charity orphan based, as if it was part of the NGO in question, although it's a way to promote a monastery in the U.S. devoted to Shan Jian himself.
I practice Buddhism and live in Spain, and also have relations with american buddhists, and there is no link at all of this website with any other order neither with the Ecumenical Buddhism. The called "avaivartika" order simply doesn't exist.
Please remove the site. I usually contribute in the spanish Wikipedia and don't dare to do it myself until anybody check my information. Erein
I followed the link, and it makes a lot of fuss about the supposed bengali origins of Shantideva, and the claim that the author of the Bodhicharyavatara wasn't the Shantideva from Nalanda. I can't verify these claims, and they certainly don't belong in the article; but it's wrong to say that the linked site has nothing to do with Shantideva. The track-record of the webmaster, it seems to me, is his own business.
I don't see any harm in the link, which is, after all, an external link. Accordingly I've left it in-place.
MrDemeanour 16:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: On 13 March 2007 196.44.16.10 removed external links with the note "removed controversial external link". 
I'm not sure that "controversial" is in and of itself a sufficient reason to delete external links. I'm going to archive them here in case we decide that they should be restored. -- Thanks Writtenonsand 15:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links removed because "controversial"

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message: The Training Anthology of Santideva: A Translation of the Siksa-samuccaya translated by Charles Goodman, 2016, Oxford University Press Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 18:20, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: There is a lot about this section which was erroneous, and somewhat misleading. 
No Buddhism - certainly neither Buddha nor Śāntideva – suggested that self is an illusion. Śāntideva was a Madhyamaka and the definition of anatman must be understood from such a position in this context.  As to whether or not Buddha originally taught anatman in the same mode as Nagarjuna - certainly there is no consensus. 
Moreover the basic object of negation (what it is that anatman refutes) is not merely 'illusory' - it's recognised in Buddhism as being the root cause of all suffering, a direct cause of clinging and aversion - basically it's toxic. And none of this is specific to Śāntideva. It's Buddhism 101: The second noble truth.
Meanwhile Goodman's idea that Śāntideva talks about 'free will' (as, I guess, is understood in western philosophy - as free will isn't a topic in traditional Buddhism), is very confused IMO.  Sure, Goodman got a book published - but 'free will' discussions depend upon western ideas about the nature of self and identity which do not bode well as a hermeneutic backdrop for understanding Śāntideva.  One may as well suggest that Heisenberg is referring to free will in his discussions on uncertainty. I'm sure that some people would like to say that too.  Similar to Heisenberg, one might indeed find some interesting ideas from Pratītyasamutpāda that entail challenges to naive approaches to free will - but I would argue that this is much more like "free will" philosophers being informed by (or provoked by) such texts, rather than the texts talking about free will.
My amends are at least more or less concordant - however, I'm not convinced by the section at all.
(20040302 (talk) 02:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Identity and free will