Talk:Northern Wei

message: Northern Wei territory is much much larger, more go into the interior of Mongolia and included Korea, the Northern Wei's Great wall can still be seen.  please see Great Wall of China in Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.187.20 (talk • contribs) 
:What is clear is that Northern Wei's territory never extended into Korea or Mongolia.  Korea (and Liaoning Peninsula) were then ruled by Goguyreo, and Inner/Outer Mongolia was then ruled by Rouran.  --Nlu (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the map is not correct 

message: In the Chinese Wikipedia, Xianbei name was used until Emperor Xiaowen. Perhaps the same format could be used. Olorin28 04:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I'm planning on doing.  The only reason why I was hesitating is because, in all traditional Chinese historical works, you're going to find, again, Zhangsun instead of Baba, Mu instead of Qiumuling, &c.  The Tuoba/Yuan distinction is easy; it's figuring out all of the equivalencies that's tricky for the reader.  --Nlu (talk) 05:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: I'm going to add more info to this page =) - Zhang Guo Lao 19:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup & More info

message: The Xianbei Northern Wei called their own state as "China" (Zhongguo) and sought to portray themselves as Hua ren or Zhongguoren, and started calling the original inhabitants of China by the name "Han ren" so they could be lay claim to the identity of "Hua ren" so "Hua" would not be a monopoly of the Han people.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf
Because the Xianbei could not claimed to be Han and could not make up a fictional genealogy tracing themselves to Han dynasty people, they went further back in Chinese history claimed themselves to be descendants of the Yellow Emperor.
The Xianbei claimed to be related to the Chinese through descent by the Yellow Emperor
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHeb7wQu0xIC&pg=PA68&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=XT5pvPZ4vroC&pg=PA55&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA17&dq=Tabgatch+claimed+descent+from+the+Yellow+Emperor+the+Yuwen+created+for+themselves+a+genealogy+stretching+back+to+the+Divine+Husbandman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w2ZEU5juCs3YyAGr14GICg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tabgatch%20claimed%20descent%20from%20the%20Yellow%20Emperor%20the%20Yuwen%20created%20for%20themselves%20a%20genealogy%20stretching%20back%20to%20the%20Divine%20Husbandman&f=false
page 75
http://books.google.com/books?id=-_HpAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?id=-_HpAAAAMAAJ&q=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&dq=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vj8QUoW1LKeiyAGehYBY&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
page 279
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDXrAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDXrAAAAMAAJ&q=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&dq=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2D8QUpGGH4iTyQGOn4GgBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
page 4
http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&dq=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6j8QUt3mIaWbygGL6oCwAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
The Non-Han Emperors equated their state with the concept of China(中國).Zhao 2006, p. 7. Non-Han rulers expanded the definition of "China" to include non-Han peoples in addition to Han people, whenever they ruled China.Zhao 2006, p. 6. Yuan, Jin, and Northern Wei documents indicate the usage of "China" by dynasties to refer to themselves began earlier than previously thought.Zhao 2006, p. 24.
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The Xianbei called yogurt (their own ethnic food) as a food of Zhongguo.
Zhongguo
http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA22&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=klUrVN3dB5CwyASRqoGYBA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ch04UBWfplQC&pg=PA126&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false
Food
http://books.google.com/books?id=QfkWAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HlYrVMu0N8HGsQS2_oD4CA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=6F2XLmIVAaYC&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_lUrVKK5F4OpyQS5joKwDg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=CWE8AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=AeiIl2y6vJQC&pg=PT638&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=BAcknxN_S8QC&pg=PA80&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ylUrVMKRBMSnyATJjIHQBQ&ved=0CCsQ6wEwATgU#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Wei's identification with China (Zhongguo and Huaren)