Talk:Chinese cash (currency unit)

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose Cash is a foreign name for this currency. There's no reason to use a foreign name. Pinyin is hardly a creation of Wikipedia.Dove1950 (talk) 23:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support the suggestion by Endroit, or something close to it, as long as the proper English word is used as the name of the article. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I read on a Chinese webpage regarding the square holes on the Chinese coins.  The question was that if the hole is solely for threading the coins together, then why was it square?  The theory was that the minting process back them was not very sophisticated and the minted coin usually have rough edges.  A stack of coins would be stacked together and held still by a square rod through the square holes and the blacksmith would file the coin smooth as a group. I just read it from an article and the article didn't quote any source, so believe it or not! Kowloonese 00:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Square holes

message: I split the article into Chinese cash (currency), the currency unit used ca. AD 621–AD 1889 with mention of use as a subunit through the 1920s, and Cash (Chinese coin), the type of copper coin struck between 300s-200s BC–AD 1911 with mention of earlier knife and spade money.  General discussions of the other coins and currency units in use throughout Chinese history are covered at Chinese coins and Chinese currency.
There is some sentiment that these titles are not appropriate for the subject material covered by the articles.  If this is the case for one or more cash/Chinese cash artilces, please discuss it at Talk:Chinese cash (disambiguation) rather than here. —  AjaxSmack  19:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Split executed

message: The decision made not long ago on this discussion page has been observed and the page has been moved back to wén. In fixing the nomenclature, I have also reinstated several passages that were omitted during the split. There are still a lot of things to be done on this article. Just for starters, we need to back up the date of 621 for the introduction of the wén. If someone has Schöth, can they look it up there? We could also do with more information on the denominations issued before 1800. My catalogues don't go back earlier so I can't fill in the blank. It would also be nice to have a lot more about the first paper money, given that it really was the first paper money.Dove1950 (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name changed reversed

message: The tonal mark of the pinyin representation of a character is not part of its English translation. Such is the policy and practice of Hanyu pinyin. These bits on top of characters are tonal marks, which are different from diacritics in European (and other non-European) languages. Tried to move the article as well but couldn't. Admin assistance? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 05:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonal marks not part of transliteration 

message: #Support as nominator. —  AjaxSmack  03:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I have not signed.  I now am enrolled at Wikipedia and have a signature. TrinityExchange (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: Shouldn't this section be closed, now that there's another section below, for a requested move? 70.55.85.40 (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Close?

message: Should the article mention that the word 'wen' means literature or language in Chinese?  I can't type Chinese to add it to the article myself. 74.211.177.2 (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it probably should. I'll add something appropriate.Dove1950 (talk) 22:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Word meaning

message: Now that it has been confrimed that this article should not be be moved, does anyone have any comments as to the questions raised by Splash? I myself would prefer Chinese cash (currency) to redirect here (as it presently does) since this is about the currency rather than the coins.Dove1950 (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects

message: Discuss the merits of using the pinyin romanisation as against the historic English name for the currency (cash) as the wikipedia title/name.  Note that both the pinyin and the historical English name should be in the leading line for this article and this is not being debated.
:I will reiterate my position that we should use the historical english name, "cash", as opposed to the pinyin name.  The reasons for not using the pinyin name is because:
* wén is a transliteration of the character 文.  The name of the currency is not wén but is instead 文.
* 文 can be pronounced in a variety of ways depending on which part of the Chinese empire one is from and what language that person speaks, and which period in Chinese history the language was spoken.  It is thus inaccurate to say that 文 = wén.
* wén is one of the ways the character 文 can be pronounced and is biased towards a particular language and contradicts WP:NPOV
* wén is not the English term for the currency and contradicts WP:UE
--Novelty (talk) 07:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinyin vs Historical English Name

message: Ok...  now that that's over with...  Somebody please suggest a rewrite of the lead sentence so it doesn't say:
:The cash (Chinese: 文 wén) was a currency denomination used in China between 621 and 1948.
I would do it myself but I have no good idea for it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? While the dates are contested, it is otherwise true. The coin called the "cash" in English is called 文 in Chinese, which is officially transliterated "wén". The only thing I can think to change is to put the word "Chinese" in front of "cash". I'll check other currency articles to see if that is the norm. — trlkly 00:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revise the lead sentence