Talk:Konstantin Rokossovsky

message: Seriously? Not one mention of his most legendary and identifiable characteristic? Is this Wikipedia or Amateurapedia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 (talk) 16:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Steel Teeth

message: Some sources give his birthplace as Warsaw, Poland , for example MSN Encarta:
*Encarta article
Clearly birthplace needs checking. Balcer 00:41, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Polish wiki and the museum of People's Republic mention Warsaw as his birthplace with all certainity. However, this article on the city of Gdańsk webpage says that according to part of the sources he was born in Warsaw. Halibutt 17:44, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
There are several detailed biographies of Rokossovsky at the Marshals of the Soviet Union website, which say he was born in Russia of a Polish father but grew up in Warsaw. Polish sources cannot be trusted on matters like this. Adam 15:15, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Glad to see Poles have finally taken control of Microsoft's Encarta.  It is high time :). More seriously, Rokossovsky is a strongly disliked figure in Poland, and I think most Poles who hold views antagonistic to Russia would probably prefer to deny that he was born in Poland. Anyway, it does not much matter where exactly in the Russian Empire he was born. His claim to Polish nationality was very tenuous, but it was played up when he became Poland's Minister of Defence in the 1950s. Balcer 15:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Nope, you got me wrong. I have not seen his birth certificate, I merely used this example to try to better understand your logic behind trusting second-hand sources just because they're "not Polish" while apparently disregarding original sources. But it was just an example, a rhetorical figure if you prefer to put it that way. Halibutt 09:19, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
In that case I revert to my previous position that the Soviet sources are more reliable and that he was born in Russia. Adam 09:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Adam, you consider SOVIET sources to be reliable, and POlish not? I welcome you to correct articles about Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, defense of Russia gainst Polish agression in Polish-Bolshevik 1920/21 war (oops, i meant 1921) etc. As a sidenote, I thought you stopped to have this strange trait of your personality yto judge someone's reliability solely basing on his name ending with "ski" or "cki" Szopen 10:04, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

text: *gasp* - that you said depends is the only reason I am will not consider you totaly biased. Still, I'd like to hear your explanation on 'why Polish sources can't be trusted on a matter like this'. And plz define a 'matter like this'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: according to the Polish National Biography he was born in Warsaw. I think wiki en. should stick to that, as I did in wiki.de. The excerpt from the speech in 1949 must be Zymierski's voice, Kostia spoke Polish with a distinct Russian or Border (kresowy) accent. You make no mention of the fact that  Kostia came from old Polish nobility and that all his forefathers in the 19th century served in Polish cavalry. I am sorry to say that my German article seeems to be much better.
--Alexvonf 13:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I believe that "northern" was the Soviet Group, but it was stationed in whole Poland and Soviet Zone of Germany.
Xx236 11:38, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  northern Poland and Germany 

message: ===Format=== 
Reformatted article to give more clarity to the WWII stuff because it is getting quite long and is detailed in some places.
===Added Historical Details for Context===
The article is interesting for the most part, especially for those with background knowledge of Soviet history, World War II, or Roksossovsky and filled with many interesting details but this more or less gets lost in the telling for those less well versed. Rokossovksy is an important figure in Soviet history, and military history, and as such, I filled out a lot of background context on his participation in the Stalingrad campaign and at Kursk.
I hope this makes it more interesting and readable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.147.35 (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stalin and Rokossovsky, WWII, Moscow 

message: The article is interesting for the most part, especially for those with background knowledge of Soviet history, World War II, or Roksossovsky and filled with many interesting details but this more or less gets lost in the telling for those less well versed. Rokossovksy is an important figure in Soviet history, and military history, and as such, I filled out a lot of background context on his participation in the Stalingrad campaign and at Kursk.
I hope this makes it more interesting and readable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.147.35 (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Historical Details for Context

message: "In September 1941 Stalin personally appointed Rokossovsky to the command of 16th Army, which was the first Soviet army group composed entirely of soldiers serving in shtrafbats (Soviet penal battalions); Stalin reportedly viewed Rokossovsky, the former disgraced Gulag inmate who had barely escaped his imprisonment alive, as the perfect candidate to lead the brutal penal units, even going so far as to bemusedly comment on Rokossovsky's missing fingernails (pulled out by the NKVD torturers during his imprisonment) at the meeting where he was assigned his command. Rokossovsky's army was ordered to defend the approaches to Moscow, and was now under the direct command of General Georgy Zhukov, his former subordinate."
Interesting addition, however it should be sourced. Also the wiki article on "Shtrafbats" states that these kinds of formation did not come into use until 1942.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.135.102 (talk) 08:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shtrafbat 

message: You know I've always had trouble with the spelling of this name. The spelling always varies on different websites, so could anyone tell me the correct spelling for the name? Many thanks. WinterSpw 03:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: As there is some question mark over his birthplace, it is best to show both. Rokossovsky is also nominally Polish, although Poles normally consider him a Soviet. The German version of Wikipedia clearly states that he was born in Warsaw and is Polish. This also may or may not be correct. Wallie (talk) 21:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: 'During his command of the 16th, Rokossovsky brooked the displeasure of higher authorities, and at one point risked being removed and shot. Saved by the intervention of the 16th Army's osobist (NKVD military counterintelligence officer), Rokossovsky later tracked down and recommended the osobist for the Order of the Red Army Banner.[citation needed] '
Ok. This has been around for a while, and there is still no citation. It could very well be a badly remembered rendering of any of the events which are cited in this article about Rokossovsky's run ins with authority, and since there is no citation to prove it one way or another, we could just be feeding the historical broken telephone rumour mill. Therefore, I think I will take it out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.173.52 (talk) 06:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged Event

message: Recently added to the purges section:
apparently due to preparation for  Soviet pre-emptive strike against Germany.
"Apparently" affirms the theory to be a fact. It is a theory. I changed text to reflect this fact, and added a counter-posing argument. Not really sure it really belongs here, since prior to Barbarossa, Rokossovsky was a pretty marginal figure in the Russian military hierarchy, and hardly privy to major state secrets such a planned strike against Germany, so he isn't relevant to the issue except in passing. Even if it is an interesting theory, it is hardly widely accepted among historians, and is pretty conjectural -- there is no smoking gun.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.173.52 (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-emptive Strike

message: The article claims that Rokossovsky was promoted to Lieutenant General on Septemeber 11th, 1941, yet, he commanded the 4th Army at Smolensk in July. This suggests that his promotion would have been in July not September.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.134.144 (talk) 10:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of Promotion 

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message: Not B-class, numerous unreferenced paragraphs. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: I think the caption of that photo is not correct. I think Zhukov is the first from the right and Rokossovsky is the fifth. In the photo info appeared a list of names and Zhukov appeared the first of the second line. Can anyone see if caption is correct or not? Thank you. Angonfer9 (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Graduates of the Leningrad Higher Cavalry School" photo 

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message: The introduction and the Bagration section both say Bagration was planned by Rokossovsky however I always thought all operations of this size were planned by the General staff ie. Stavka. Or at the least a Stavka representive. could it be possible Rokossovsky was planning just a particular part of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:E0E7:A70E:E59D:AF23 (talk) 19:59, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bagration 

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replies: text: "As the de facto supreme commander of the Polish Army, he introduced various methods for the suppression of anti-Soviet activity, real or imagined. Among the most notorious were the labour battalions of the army, to which all able-bodied men found socially or politically insecure or guilty of having their families abroad were drafted. It is estimated that roughly 200,000 men were forced to work in these labour camps in hazardous conditions, often in quarries, coal mines, and uranium mines, and 1,000 died in their first days of "labour", while tens of thousands became crippled." This is some kind of complete nonsense based on nothing, he did not create any labor camps, you are probably talking about construction battalions that were in most countries of the Eastern bloc, where the military participated in civil construction of any objects and buildings and nothing common with them, men which found socially or politically insecure or guilty of having their families abroad were drafted did not have , in the same Bulgaria they were created back in 1920 to circumvent the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles, labor battalions were still during the world wars in the countries of Britain, the USA and France 37.54.230.242 (talk) 16:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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message: Both in the summary and in the infobox his place of birth is stated as Telekhany. However, in the Biography section, it is stated that he was born in Warsaw. I'm aware that it's been a place of disagreement and discussion but this information is conflicting and could be corrected. Thanks --83.20.184.138 (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting birthplace information 

message: Source 180.252.165.98 (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "probably tortured"