Talk:Djenné-Djenno

message: is a really sketchy beginning but something is needed on this topic. It is important not only for African history & archaeology, but also for our understanding of processes of urbanization. --A12n 23:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: In the coming weeks, I will be expanding many of the topics of this article. I will be focusing specifically on the archaeological excavations done at Jenne-Jeno along with their interpretations, as well as discussing its three phases of occupation and specific artifacts (including pottery and figurines) and burials. I will also be discussing the subsistence and population growth of the city throughout time. In addition, I will touch on the sites abandonment along with the possible connections with the modern city of Jenne. I will hopefully be adding pictures and discussing the city's importance to sub-saharan Africa along with the rest of the world. JLebowski94 (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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message: I would like to change the name of this article to Jenné-Jeno. Within the article I will reference the French spelling, Djenné-Djeno. If anyone is apposed to this please let me know JLebowski94 (talk)
JLebowski94, besides map, you can try putting the black market issue and damage to the site in article but all that it is good.Lady Miyazawa (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Now corrected - some McIntosh publications include accent on Jenné. Aa77zz (talk) 19:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to change name of article to Jenné-Jeno

message: My understanding is that the exact provenance of the four figurines shown in the gallery is uncertain. The export of old figurines from Mali is controversial - see the 1986 article by the McIntoshes.
The Smithsonian claims that their sculptures come from the Inland Niger Delta region of Mali:
*:File:Djenne Terracotta Equestrian (13th-15th cent).jpg Accession Number: 86-12-2
*:File:Djenne Terracotta Archer (13th-15th cent).jpg Accession Number: 86-12-1
The Musée du Quai Branly mention Djenné but not Djenné-Djeno:
*:File:Statuette féminine-Région de Djenné-Mali.jpg Accession Number: 73.1991.0.39
In their description the MET state that their seated figure comes from Jenne-jeno. The Provenance isn't helpful - it is given as: "Philippe Guimiot, Erps-Kwerps, Belgium, until 1981":
*:File:Seated figure grom Mali, 13th century, Djenné peoples, Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1981.218.JPG  Accession Number: 1981.218 Susan Vogel has described the statue in an article available online.
Without more details I'm suspicious of the provenance of the MET figure. Did it come from the Jenne-jeno site before the McIntoshes started their work in February 1977? Or was it taken from the site during the excavations?
The only statuettes that I'm aware of that are definitely known to come from Djenné-Djeno are those described by Susan and Roderick McIntosh in their 1979 article and in the book edited by Susan McIntosh published in 1995. A scan of the book is available from google - see the chapter on figurines and the images of fragments on pages 244 and  245. It is possible that one or more of the figurine fragments found by the McIntoshes are on display in the museum in Bamako so it would be possible to photograph them for the article.
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Aa77zz (talk) 13:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: The article mentions periods of growing and shrinking populations, but never actually says what the population is estimated to have been, even approximately. Are we talking 10,000 people, 100,000 or what? LastDodo (talk) 11:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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