Talk:Al-Fatiha

message: Why was the Arabic text below removed from the page? Its really hard for arabic learners to read the handwritten text shown on the image.
#بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
#ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ
#ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
#مَـٰلِكِ يَوْمِ ٱلدِّينِ
#إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
#ٱهْدٱلْمُسْتَقِيمَ
#صِرَ ٰطَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ ٱلْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ ٱلضَّاۤلِّينَ
:✓ Done. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 12:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic Text

message: could this be bigger? It's really hard to read.
:FYI: arabic font & font size JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  arabic font size 

message: The word 'Allah' is a name while God in english language is a general word. I think Allah should be used in english translation.
:God (with an uppercase G) is a proper name in English which can not take a plural, not a general word. The name God is the name of the one and only god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims in English. Many people (both English speakers and non-English speakers) confuse it with the word god (with a lowercase g), which is a general word refering to any deity of any religion (and can therefore take a plural). The correct translation into English of the name Allah is God, just as the correct translation of the name Isa is Jesus, Ayyub is Job, Yahya is John, Yunus is Jonah, Talut is Saul, etc. --Drivelhead 9:42 am, 20 May 2006, Saturday (4 years, 10 months, 8 days ago) (UTC−7)
:The work God in English is in no way a general word. Were a translation of biblical text made from English to Arabic it would be translated as Allah in a similar way, albet opposite, as is done in this article. To do otherwise would be to propagate a the misconception that Allah is a separate god from God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.67.6 (talk) 7:20 pm, 8 December 2009, Tuesday (1 year, 3 months, 18 days ago) (UTC−8) #
:I am a Muslim and I must agree with SineBot. Jewish articles do not use Adonai or Hashem, why use Allah. This tends to make ppl think it's a different God when they don't know much about Islam. Also they don't mention that Ir Rahman Ir Raheem are two of Hashem Adonaior Allah's names. ~GCleph
Allah is the proper name of god or God or GOD in Islam which cannot be translated.
If I say my name is Abdullah, and I am introducing myself to the English men, I cannot say that my name is Slave of the God in Islam. Or can I? wlvrnclws 23:09, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allah or God 

message: I was thinking about making a table "Virtues of Sura" in this way below. But whether certain Hadiths are authentic or not may vary from scholar to scholar within the same school. Also the branches are quite misleading. It needs to be done by an Alim/Ulema, else it will certainly do more harm than good.
(Also added some details about Bismillah)
 Authentic Hadith according to various branches
Hadith	Maliki	Shafi	Hambali	Hanafi	Salafi /Ahle Hadith	Sufi	Shia	
ABCD  	Yes   	Yes  	No     	No    	Yes                	No  	No  	
EFGH  	Yes   	No   	No     	Yes   	No                 	No  	Yes 	
I divided Virtues into several parts. The part "Uncategorized Collection" can have things which we generally know about but cannot yet classify into truthful/argumentative/weak. It can be removed if the other parts are filled. Verycuriousboy (talk) 04:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtues of this Sura 

message: This is not exactly true. If u pray all the mandatory prayers behind an Imam then count is 0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.105.156.120 (talk) 3:05 am, 28 April 2008, Monday (2 years, 10 months, 29 days ago) (UTC−7) 
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Thats funny, even if you pray behind an Imam, you still have to recite it AFTER him as far as I know, in all of the rakaah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.213.192 (talk) 5:28 am, 8 August 2009, Saturday (1 year, 7 months, 19 days ago) (UTC−7) 
If Muslims do the 5 obligatory prayers, then they recite Al-Fatiha 17 times in one day.  In each repetition or Rakah of the Prayer (Salat) Al Fatiha is recited.  The number of times depends on the prayer time.  There are 3 prayers of 4 Rakats, 1 of 3 Rakats and 1 of 2 Rakats.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkvang64 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  17 times Al-Fatiha in mandatory prayers 

message: This has the potential to be a good article, as of right now, however, it is in desperate need of reorganization, and wikification as well as some issues need to be cited or commentary removed. Particularly difficult is the Interpretation section that does not cite sources in the wiki format (cites via Qur'an). It also borders and occasionally goes over the limits of WP:ENC. Finally it has some formatting problems that make it hard to read and are also not conforming to WP:MOS. I would fix those bits myself but I would rather someone with a better knowledge of the Qur'an do so as the formatting is the smaller issue at stake here.
I'd like to be clear that I find this article important and that the interpretation section has some very interesting points in it. It simply needs to conform to Wikipedia standards and make sure to cite its sources correctly so that it reads more like an encyclopedia rather than an opinion seasoned exegesis of the surah. 
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I also think some standardization in the system of romanization of the Arabic in the article would be helpful but I can't tell if Wikipedia has a set transliteration system.
Ilkelma (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Issues tag 

message: I have made edits before capitalizing the name of God in the translations. In the Jewish articles God is capital. Why not here? I am doing it again and will continue as Islam is also an Abrahamic religion. If you want it not capital, then remove it EVERYWHERE don't just pick on us Muslims  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.20.141 (talk) 13:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I find your tone confrontational and defensive, but your point is well taken. Capital G God should be the word used here as shown by previous discussions on this talk page. I have also changed a reference to "their god-concept" as I think it is not NPOV in that it appears to cast doubt on the accuracy of using the word God as well as adopting a superior tone that is wholly unnecessary and potentially very offensive. Ilkelma (talk) 19:13, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization & God concept 

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message: It appears that most, if not all, of the sources cited in this article do not conform to WP:SOURCES, as they appear to be self-published websites. Please let me know if I'm wrong in this assessment.--Grapplequip (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Peace to all,
God Willing I intend starting a new section as follows,
The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book, one that is based on number 19, it can be seen as a common denominator of the Quran.
(1). The first verse of this Sura referred as Basmalah  بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ has 19 Arabic Letters.
(2) The sura number, followed by the numbers of verses, next to each other, give 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.
(3) If we substitute the number of letters per verse in place of the verse numbers, we get 1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43. This number is also a multiple of 19.
(4) If we insert the total gematrical value of every verse, we get 1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009. This number is a multiple of 19.
Verse #	No. of Letters	Gematrical Value
1      	19            	786
2      	17            	581
3      	12            	618
4      	11            	241
5      	19            	836
6      	18            	1072
7      	43            	6009
Totals 	139           	10143
(5) The number shown above includes all parameters of Sura 1 and consists of 38 digits (19x2).
(6) It is noteworthy that this 38-digit number is still divisible by 19 when we write its components backward, from right to left, as practiced by the Arabs. Thus, 6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1 is also a multiple of 19.
If there are any concerns do let me know, else I God Willing intend to upload this on the main page in another 36 hours time.
Peace
(DukhanSmoke (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please explain, that from an encyclopedic (or even Da'wah) point of view, will this information benefit any one? Further, if you really want to add this, pls cite the sources as well. Need to submit this article to "Good Articles" list, so it must follow all WP guidelines of being a Good articleHQEditor (talk) 07:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematical Structure in [[Sura]] 1 (Al-Fatehah) based on number 19 (Over it is Nineteen 74:30) 

message: Apologies for the lack of knowledge, but is the following statement accurate?
"In verses 6 and 7, since they are to be repeated by the faithful at least 17 times a day, it is important to remember what is being described. The phrase "the Path journeyed by those upon whom You showered blessings" refers to Muslims. The phrase "those who made themselves liable to criminal cognizance/arrest" (more clearly translated as "those who have incurred Your wrath") refers to the Jews. The phrase "those who are the neglectful wanderers" (more clearly translated as "those who have gone astray") refers to the Christians."
There is no supporting citation, and as a non-Muslim it comes across very specific when my knee-jerk reaction is that it could apply to broader things. If that's the proper interpretation, hey, that's great, just add a citation. But if it's not actually the globally acknowledged understanding it should either be deleted or acknowledged as only one understanding.
Again, I am not Muslim, I'm just interested in understanding and I don't like taking something like this verbatim.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judoka735 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A really excellent question. I have found a reliable sources on this, " The Qur'an and Its Interpreters: v.1: Vol 1 by Mahmoud M. Ayoub (Jun 1984) " (when you see websites being used for such things, always check) and this says "7. The way of those upon whom You have bestowed Your favor, not of those who have incurred Your wrath or those who have gone astray. (7) Most commentators have included the Jews among those who have "incurred" divine wrath and the Christians among those who have "gone astray" (Tabari, I, pp. 185-195; Zamakhshari, I, p. 71). Some commentators, however, have questioned this view, because the text makes no specific reference to any religious community, and have chosen instead to retain the general meaning of the text, which refers to two types of people rather than any particular religious community. Nisaburi asserts that "those who have incurred God's wrath are the people of negligence, and those who have gone astray are the people of immoderation" (Nisaburi, I, p. 113; for a com- prehensive discussion of different views, see Tabarsi, I, pp. 59-66). In contrast with Nisaburi's pietistic interpretation, Ibn 'Arabi pre- sents a highly mystical exegesis of Sural al-Fatihah, reflecting his own philosophy of the unity of being (wahdat al-wujud)." and goes into more detail than may be appropriate here. Dougweller (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Translations, interpretations and commentaries accurate? 

message: I believe that the section "An experienced way of warding off Jinn or magic" under the heading "Shia benefits" should be removed as it is unsourced and doesn't seem to be based on anything authentic. --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 02:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of a sub-section 

message: A discussion regarding the in-sufficiency of translations against the original text was added to the article, which really highlights an important issue when reading translations rather than original text.
However, the discussion required a citation if sourced from an external reliable source. If it was original research, then it should first be published in a reliable source, then quoted on Wp. Pls refer WP:PANDS. The discussion has therefore been removed from the article page, but copy pasted below. HQEditor (talk) 12:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion regarding in-sufficiency of translations 

message: Just giving a mere glance at this article, I'm already seeing violations of Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. This is what I'm quoting from memory and were any editor to delve into the actual guideline and policy pages, they very well might find even more violations. It's just a bad article and is in some serious need for work. I'm going to go through and try to edit only certain aspects at a time while posting comments here, but with the sheer amount of work that needs to be done I'm hoping that feedback will come swiftly, otherwise fixing this could take forever. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And here we are, the entire opening of the "Commentary" section (several very long paragraphs) appears to be copy pasted from here with only slight changes in the prose. Maududi is a respected theologian but this is a violation of Wikipedia:Copy-paste. If the citation is worthwhile, then someone can take the time to write an original piece cited by this page, but for the time being I am simply going to remove it. This article is already filled with far too much material which looks to be copy pasted, and I think we need to scrutnize the print sources which have been cited as well. Massive blocks of text with a single citation at the end are a bit suspect. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To top off the first round, I will remove anything which has been tagged as uncited for a significant amount of time (some of this stuff has been tagged since 2012). The general citation tag has been at the top of the article since 2011 but I don't know which specific parts that general tag was referring to or when the untagged yet unreferenced info was put in, so anything unsourced but not tagged will also be tagged. I await feedback from other concerned editors. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just plain awful 

message: Please verify that the unsourced edit en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Fatiha&diff=prev&oldid=538618117
is not vandalism, the editing IP vandalized other articles later, like Battle of Wanat, (see en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Wanat&diff=564473637&oldid=564385325 .)  --Micge (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been taken care off by edit en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Fatiha&diff=next&oldid=564320046 .--Micge (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Vandalism 

message: * Shall the unreferenced sections be removed? 
* It will be best to explain what the verse means and any background story it has in the article (with help of reliable source) rather than putting the verse (which belongs to wikisource page of quran). 
* Should we consider independent websites as sources? - Vatsan34 (talk) 17:46, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few Questions 

message: Thank You Your Excellency Gentle Reader!
This article must be redone.  This article does not do a good job of representing on Surah Fatiha. The article does not even list the Surah Fatiha or the translation of the Surah or anything useful that people are looking for.  And there is a lot of things that are not well articulated, well translated or well thought through to provide the reader with good presentation of Surah Fatiha.  Please kindly redo this article, below is information on Surah Fatiha, Please kindly include in the article.
Also I recommend that the links point to a reputable site such as Quran.com that is well done and presents well the Quran instead of the links that are to sites not as credible or as beautiful nor as well presented as Quran.com
Standard for the Article on Surah Fatiha:
Please kindly review the wiki page on the Lord's Prayer  and set the same standard for articulating and presenting Surah Fatiha.  Please kindly revise and improve this article.
Many things in the article are not well thought out, poorly translated, poorly articulated and poorly presented. Surah Fathia does not appear in the article, translation, meaning, arabic nor transliteration. There are many errors, for example it says that Praise to Allah Lord of Existence which is not a correct translation for Allah is Lord of things and beings that exist and those that do not exist such as ideas or ideas that people will have or things that people will create or people that are not yet in existence but will live in the future or that have died and no longer exist in this physical world.  A better translation is Allah the Lord of the Universes or Allah the Lord of everything that has existed will exist or is in existence and whatever else there may be.
The article is very poorly done and needs to be redone, there are errors and things that have not been thought out.  This article does a poor job of presenting Surah Fatiha to the wikipedia audience.  Here is some information on Surah Fatiha that people are looking for and interested in reading:
I would like to kindly and humbly provide an introduction, Arabic with Translation, Commentary and notes on Surah Fatiha for your use to reconstruct this Article.
The Holy Quran
Surat Al-Fātiĥah (The Opener) - سورة الفاتحة 
1:1
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Yusuf Ali Translation: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1:2
الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
Yusuf Ali Translation: Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
1:3
الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Yusuf Ali Translation: Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
1:4
مَالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
Yusuf Ali Translation: Master of the Day of Judgment.
1:5
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
Yusuf Ali Translation: Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
1:6
اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ
Yusuf Ali Translation: Show us the straight way,
1:7
صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ
Yusuf Ali Translation: The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray. 
Transliteration: 
Surat Al-Fātiĥah (The Opener) - سورة الفاتحة
1:1
Transliteration: Bismi Allahi arrahmani arraheem
1:2
Transliteration: Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen
1:3
Transliteration: Arrahmani arraheem
1:4
Transliteration: Maliki yawmi addeen
1:5
Transliteration: Iyyaka naAAbudu wa-iyyaka nastaAAeen
1:6
Transliteration: Ihdina assirata almustaqeem
1:7
Transliteration: Sirata allatheena anAAamta AAalayhim ghayri almaghdoobi AAalayhim wala addalleen 
Surah Fatiha Translation of the Meaning, Explanation, Commentary and Notes:
SURA 1
SURA 1. Fatiha, or the Opening Chapter. 
Introduction to Surah Fatiha
Commentary 42.-First comes that beautiful Sura, The Opening Chapter of
Seven Verses, rightly called the Essence of the Book. It teaches
us the perfect Prayer. For if we can pray aright, it means that
we have some knowledge of Allah and His attributes, of His
relations to us and His creation, which includes ourselves; that
we glimpse the source from which we come, and that final goal
which is our spiritual destiny under Allah's true judgment: then
we offer ourselves to Allah and seek His light.
Commentary 43.-Prayer is the heart of religion and Faith. But how shall
we pray? What words shall convey the yearnings of our miserable
ignorant hearts to the Knower of all? Is it worthy of Him or of
our spiritual nature to ask for vanities or even for such
physical needs as our daily bread? The Inspired One taught us a
Prayer that sums up our faith, our hope, and our aspiration in
things that matter. We think in devotion of Allah's name and His
Nature; we praise Him for His creation and His Cherishing care;
we call to mind the Realities, seen and unseen; we offer Him
worship and ask for His guidance; and we know the straight from
the crooked path by the light of His grace that illumines the
righteous.
Verse 1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Note 15. Each chapter or portion of the Koran is called a Sura, which means a
Degree or Step by which we mount up. Sometimes whole Suras were revealed,
and sometimes Portions which were arranged under the Prophet's directions.
Some Suras are long, and some are short, but a logical thread runs through
them all. Each verse of the Sura is called an Ayat, which means also a
sign. A verse of revelation is a Sign of Allah's wisdom and goodness just
as much as Allah's beautiful handiwork in the material creation or His
dealings in history are signs to us, if we would understand. Some Ayats are
long, and some are short. The Ayat is the true unit of the Koran.
Note 16. Al-Fatiha is the Opening Chapter of the Qu’ran.
Note 17. These seven verses form a complete unit by themselves, and are recited
in every prayer and on many other occasions. Cf. (compare) Sura 15:87.
Quran
Chapter 15
Surat Al-Ĥijr (The Rocky Tract)
Verse 87
Yusuf Ali Translation: And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an.
Note 18. By universal consent it is rightly placed at the beginning of the Koran
as summing up in marvelously terse and comprehensive words, man's relation
to Allah in contemplation and prayer. In our spiritual contemplation the
first words should be those of praise If the praise is from our inmost
being, it brings us closer to Allah. Then our eyes see all good, peace, and
harmony. Evil, rebellion, and conflict are purged out. They do not exist
for us, for our eyes are lifted up above them in praise. Then we see
Allah's attributes better (verses 2-4). This leads us to the attitude of
worship and acknowledgment (verse 5). And finally comes prayer for
guidance, and a contemplation of what guidance means (verses 6-7). Allah
needs no praise, for He is above all praise; He needs no petition, for He
knows our needs better than we do ourselves; and His bounties are open
without asking, to the righteous and the sinner alike. The prayer is
primarily for our own spiritual education consolation, and confirmation.
That is why the words in this Sura are given to us in the form in which we
should utter them.
Note 19. The Arabic words "Rahman" and "Rahim " translated "Most Gracious" and
"Most Merciful" are both intensive forms referring to different aspects of
Allah's attribute of Mercy. The Arabic intensive is more suited to express
Allah's attributes than the superlative degree in English. The latter
implies a comparison with other beings, or with other times or places,
while there is no being like unto Allah. Mercy may imply pity. longsuffering,
patience, and forgiveness, all of which the sinner needs and
Allah Most Merciful bestows in abundant measure. But there is a Mercy that
goes before even the need arises, the Grace which is ever watchful. and
flows from Allah Most Gracious to all His creatures, protecting them,
preserving them, guiding them, and leading them to clear light and higher
life. Opinion is divided whether the Bismillah should be numbered as a
separate verse or not. It is unanimously agreed that it is a part of the
Koran in Sura An-Naml. Therefore it is better to give it an independent
number in the first Sura. For subsequent Suras it is treated as an
introduction or head-line, and therefore not numbered.
Verse 2. Praise be to Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds;
Note 20. The Arabic word 'Rabb', usually translated Lord, has also the meaning
of cherishing, sustaining, bringing to maturity. Allah cares for all the
worlds He has created. (see note 1787 and note 4355)
Note 1787. The divine Message was priceless; it was not for the Messenger's
personal profit, nor did he ask of men any reward for bringing it for their
benefit. It was for all creatures,-literally, for all the worlds, as
explained in Sura 1:2 Verse note 20. (see also 34:47 and 36.21)
Quran Chapter 34
Surat  Saba' (Sheba)
Verse 47
Yusuf Ali Translation: Say: "No reward do I ask of you: it is (all) in your interest: my reward is only due from Allah: And He is witness to all things."
Note 3859. Cf. compare Sura 10:72. The second argument is that he has nothing to gain
from them. His message is for their own good. He is willing to suffer
persecution and insult, because he has to fulfill his mission from Allah.
Quran Chapter 10
Surat Yūnus (Jonah)
Verse 72
Yusuf Ali Translation: "But if ye turn back, (consider): no reward have I asked of you: my reward is only due from Allah, and I have been commanded to be of those who submit to Allah's will (in Islam)."
Note 1458. The Prophet of Allah preaches for the good of his people. But he
claims no reward from them, but on the contrary is reviled, persecuted,
banished, and often slain. (cf. compare 34:57 (above) and 36:21)
Quran Chapter 36
Surat Yā-Sīn (Ya Sin) (Oh thou man)
Verse 21
Yusuf Ali Translation: "Obey those who ask no reward of you (for themselves), and who have themselves received Guidance.”
Note 3967. Prophets do not seek their own advantage. They serve Allah and
humanity. Their hope lies in the good pleasure of Allah, to Whose service
they are devoted. Cf. compare Suras 10:72 (above); 12:104; etc.
Quran Chapter 12
Surat Yūsuf (Joseph)
Verse 104
Yusuf Ali Translation: And no reward dost thou ask of them for this: it is no less than a message for all creatures.
Note 1787. The divine Message was priceless; it was not for the Messenger's
personal profit, nor did he ask of men any reward for bringing it for their
benefit. It was for all creatures,-literally, for all the worlds, as
explained in Sura 1:2 Verse note 20.
Note 4355. These are the opening words of the first Sura, and they describe the
atmosphere of the final Bliss in Heaven, in the light of the Countenance of
their Lord, the Lord of all!
There are many worlds – astronomical and physical worlds, worlds of thought, spiritual world, and so on.  In every one of them, Allah is king and Allah is all-in-all.  We express only one aspect of it when of it when we say of it when we say: “In Him we live, and move, and have our being.”  The mystical division between (1) Nasut, the human world world knowlable by the senses, (2) Malakut, the invisible world of Angels , and (3) Lahut, the divine world of Reality, requires a whole volume to explain it.
Verse 3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Verse 4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
Verse 5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Note 21. On realizing in our souls Allah's love and care. His grace and mercy,
and His power and justice (as Ruler of the Day of Judgment), the immediate
result is that we bend in the act of worship, and see both our shortcomings
and His all-sufficient power. The emphatic form means that not only do we
reach the position of worshipping Allah and asking for His help, but we
worship Him alone and ask for His aid only. For there is none other than He
worthy of our devotion and able to help us. The plural "we" indicates that
we associate ourselves with all who seek Allah, thus strengthening
ourselves and strengthening them in a fellowship of faith. (see note 586).
Quran Chapter 4
Surat An-Nisā' (The Women)
Verse 69
Yusuf Ali Translation: All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!
Note 586. A passage of the deepest devotional meaning. Even the humblest man who
accepts Faith and does good becomes an accepted member of a great and
beautiful company in the Hereafter. It is a company which lives perpetually
in the sunshine of God's Grace (This passage partly illustrates Sura 1:5) .
It is a glorious hierarchy, of which four grades are specified: (1) The
highest is that of the Prophets or Apostles, who get plenary inspiration
from God, and who teach mankind by example and precept. That rank in Islam
is held by Muhammad Al-Mustafa. (2) The next are those whose badge is
sincerity and truth: they love and support the truth with their person,
their means, their influence, and all that is theirs. That rank was held by
the special Companions of Muhammad, among whom the type was that of Hadhrat
Abu Baker As-Siddiq. (3) The next are the noble army of Witnesses, who testify
to the truth. The testimony may be by martyrdom, Or it may be by
the tongue of the true Preacher or the pen of the devoted scholar, or the
life of the man devoted to service, (4) Lastly, there is the large company
of Righteous people, the ordinary folk who do their ordinary business, but
always in a righteous Way. (cf. compare Sura 29:9)
Quran Chapter 29
Surat Al-`Ankabūt (The Spider)
Verse 9
Yusuf Ali Translation: And those who believe and work righteous deeds,- them shall We admit to the company of the Righteous.
Note 3432. The picking up again of the words which began verse 7 above shows
that the same subject is now pursued from another aspect. The striving in
righteous deeds will restore fallen man to the society of the Righteous described in chapter 4:69 and note 586)
Verse 6. Show us the straight way,
Note 22. If we translate by the English word "guide", we shall have to say:
Guide us to and in the straight Way". For we may he wandering aimlessly,
and the first step is to find the way; and the second need is to keep in
the Way: our own wisdom may fail in either case. The straight Way is often
the narrow Way, or the steep Way, which many people shun (Sura 90:11). By
the world's perversity the straight Way is sometimes stigmatized and the
crooked Way praised. How are we to judge? We must ask for Allah's guidance.
With a little spiritual insight we shall see which are the people who walk
in the light of Allah's grace, and which are those that walk in the
darkness of Wrath. This also would help our judgment.
Verse 7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, Those whose (portion)
is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Note 23. Note that the words relating to Grace are connected actively with
Allah: those relating to Wrath are impersonal. In the one case Allah's
Mercy encompasses us beyond our deserts In the other case our own actions
are responsible for the Wrath,-the negative of Grace, Peace, or Harmony.
Note 24. Are there two categories?-Those who are in the darkness of Wrath and
those who stray? The first are those who deliberately break Allah's law;
the second those who stray out of carelessness or negligence. Both are
responsible for their own acts or omissions. In opposition to both are the
people who are in the light of Allah's Grace: for His Grace not only
protects them from active wrong (if they will only submit their will to
Him) but also from straying into paths of temptation or carelessness. The
negative 'gair' should be construed as applying not to the way, but as
describing men protected from two dangers by Allah's Grace.  
Thank You Your Excellency Gentle Reader!  Please kindly forgive me if I said anything that did not please Your Excellency!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.198.128.170 (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Must be Rewritten & Professionally Present Surah Fatiha 

message: Regarding this edit: the difference between the Wikipedia article about "Lord's Prayer" and the article about "Al-Fatiha" is that in the article about "Lord's Prayer" the text is not just dumped in a separate section by itself; there is wide literature and commentary analyzing the Prayer which is cited all over the article. In the article about "Al-Fatiha" the text was just dumped in a "Wikisource-y" way. Moreover, the copyright status of the translation is not determined. --Omnipaedista (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE]] and [[WP:COPYVIO]]

message: I looked at the article, but Unfortunately I did not understand exactly where is the NPOV problem?  can you help me? Thanks!Savior59 (talk) 11:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In general the article is poor because it presents Islamic beliefs as if they are true.--Anders Feder (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing of the NPOV tag 

message: Do you not think this classification is better?: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Fatiha&oldid=661990027Homiho (talk) 15:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the subsectioning of the "Names" section because the subsections were very short. Per MOS:BODY#Headings and sections, ""--Anders Feder (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Section names

message: If you see just for a sec open mindly. Its a prayer. Its a help seaking voice of inner heart. its about people. Was all the jews or christians were disobeying or gumrah?? Its about all about being a good person . Faithfull path. Muhammaddanishsufyan (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayyat 6 and 7 interpretations  

message: This whole article seems kind of slanted towards criticism by Christians of the last two verses of the prayer.  I'm not saying there's no place to reference the prayers critics, but if you read just this article you would think this was just Muslims praying every day for God to smite Christians and Jews and not a prayer that neutrally references "those who have brought down wrath" and "those who wander astray" with no particular reference to any specific non-Muslim community.  This is especially troubling since the only basis for interpreting these references as about Jews and Christians are hadiths, which probably shouldn't matter to how a secular, unbiased site like wikipedia attempts to present religious literature.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:242:4180:6FB3:80BC:F9AF:A7E8:9A12 (talk) 18:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Al Fatiha is short. 
Its verses are cited in the article, yet the ridiculously short text is nowhere to be found. 
Nor are there any links, external or otherwise, to its text.
Al-Fatiha amounts to a prayer for guidance. 
As a sura that is purported to summarize the contents of the Quran, its omission here is offensive.
I'm not even a Muslim and I'm offended that its text in either English or Arabic is absent/removed. This is RIDICULOUS.
Someone afraid of including Al-Fatiha in Wikipedia? Edits by Atheists, Christians, Jews, to eliminate it? This is inexcusable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.218.64 (talk) 21:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaint - Al Fatiha is short. It is cited in the article, yet the ridiculously short text is nowhere to be found. Nor are there any links, external or otherwise, to its text. 

message: An old but useful section has been removed. 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Fatiha&type=revision&diff=519089516&oldid=519064989  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verycuriousboy (talk • contribs) 10:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old but useful section has been removed. 

message: There's no need to have multiple translations in the article. One should be enough, probably Sahih International.VR talk 22:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not adverse to adding Sahih International, as it is an easy read and I am inclined to agree there are more translations than needed. However Sahih International is problematic. To me it has a very clear Agenda: to obfuscate Islam's obvious judeo-Christian heritage. Its failure to translate Allah as God, being an example, the purpose of which is to further miseducate non-Arab speakers and uneducated Muslims into the mindset that we are talking about two different deities. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 19:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This argument seems like a stretch; is there any evidence for such an agenda other than this word choice? All four of the translations currently in the article use "Allah" not "God". The same deity is referred to by different names even within the same mythology; see Names of God. Evem when a character in one mythology is derived from a character in another, it's common practice on Wikipedia and in the world in general to use different names to refer to the different versions. For example, Zeus vs. Jupiter. -- Beland (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: To prevent Islamophobia--24.173.222.94 (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect to users-only request 

message: If the phrase "[The scholars] disagree over whether [Bismillah] is a separate Ayah before every Surah, or if it is an Ayah, or a part of an Ayah, included in every Surah where the Bismillah appears in its beginning" isn't self explanatory, let me break it down for you: Ibn Kathir isn't the only authority when it comes to Quranic exegesis, nor has he come up with the tafsir/exegesis himself. Ibn Kathir simply happened to compile the opinions of various sahaba, tabi`in, and other scholars into his tafsir, which explains why he has gone to great lengths to include each and every quotation. In the following paragraph, Ibn Kathir explains that the following sahaba/tabi`in/scholars have the following views:
The Bismillah is an ayah and part of every surah, except At-Tawbah (leaving Al-Fatiha with 7 ayat):
*Ibn `Abbas
*Ibn `Umar
*Ibn Az-Zubayr
*Abu Hurayrah
*`Ali
*among others
The Bismillah is not an ayah nor a part of any surah (leaving Al-Fatiha with 6 ayat):
*Malik
*Abu Hanifah
*among others
The Bismillah is an ayah but not part of any surah (leaving Al-Fatiha with 6 ayat):
*Dawud
Please do not revert the article without properly going through the cited references. 
—AccordingClass (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  6/7 ayah dispute 

message: In the commentary, it says Allah is a proper name belonging only to the one Almighty God, Creator and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth and all that is within them, the Eternal and Absolute, to whom alone all worship is due. This implies that Wikipedia is a Muslim website that promotes Islamic ideology since it doesn't point out the fact that it is from an Islamic point of view. I suggest we add this somehow. Pro translator (talk) 08:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: This section consists of: the original Arabic; a transliteration into Roman letters; 
and an attempt at an English version. Any 'meaning' is entirely absent. I would respectfully suggest that the section might be re-titled simply 'Verses', or perhaps 'The seven verses'. MinorProphet (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section heading 'Verses and meaning' 

message: Hi,
I've created a video for the recitation of Al-Fatiha with English translation. Please add this file for people to understand Al-Fatiha as I think it is very valuable.
Thanks.
Dropbox LINK : https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zlvfzok10zt2pb2nicqc2/Quran-Ch1-The-Opener.mp4?rlkey=zdqxneuae91b7blyfin84pu74&dl=0
Other link : https://file.io/x6qGM79jOhES 2001:56A:78E7:6200:3465:4CA5:FD95:E532 (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recitation of Al-Fatiha with English Translation