Talk:IiNet

message: I have heard that one reason behind the buy of ozemail was to get into the "Gang of Four" peering arrangement. However this fell though when the others in the gang decided that the peering stayed with MCI rather than with Ozemail. Anyone got any sources on this? - SimonLyall 03:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK it was never the plan - iiNet was buying Ozemail from MCI and MCI was the one with the GoF peering arrangement, not Ozemail.  Asking the iinet reps on the Whirlpool forum will get you a 100% correct answer. -- Chuq 04:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, looks like it's unsourced and/or probably untrue so we can't say that. I did here some rumors though, especially wrt depeering/repeering at PIPE around that time. Don't believe everything you read on Whirlpool. - SimonLyall 04:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gang of four / Ozemail buy 

message: I notice the entire section "regulatory conflict with Telstra" was removed.  Does anyone else believe that it should be re-instated? -- Chuq 23:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: if it were me it really needs to be rewritten with a wider perspective including iinet's battles (in conjunction with other providers) in the ACCC over access and other rights, and the media coverage of iiNets changes in the west australian newspaper. the section as it stood on reading the history had a lot of iinet spin in it - often the point of spin is to preempt criticism with a defence. 203.59.8.150 09:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the main problem I have with its removal is that it described the difference between iiBroadband, iiBroadband1, iiBroadband2 and iiBroadband2+, and their respective similarities (or lack of) between those and ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+.  I thought it was fairly neutral in describing the differences, at least more neutral that what you would find on the official site.  If there is a problem with it then I would recommend editing or adding to it to make it better, as a preference to deleting valid content. -- Chuq 22:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point - the revised version of the reinstated paragraph definitely feels less "branded", which is a good thing. The "branding" was my basic problem with the entire article as it stood 2 days ago - apologies for my overenthusiasm in removing this particular section. The other stuff the earlier poster mentioned does indeed belong here, but I wouldn't know where to start looking for it. Orderinchaos78 15:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent re-write 

message: iiNet Limited (ASX: IIN) is one of Australia's major Internet Service Providers. Focusing primarily on ADSL-based Internet access, it is currently Australia's third largest ISP. The company trades as iiNet in Australia and as ihug in New Zealand.
* There is no citation for being Australia's third largest ISP
:: Agreed.  Google suggests the source is iiNet and MCI articles, while Primus also claim the title. Not clear whether this is ADSL alone or total size. A news article I read in 2005 claimed the Ozemail acquisition had pushed iiNet from 6th to 3rd but I don't know where they got their measurements from. Unfortunately it is difficult to measure - while there is no doubt Telstra and Optusnet are largest in that order, what comes after is questionable, given the unwillingness of ISPs to agree on a common system of rules for measuring their own size, and the obvious commercial advantages of providing the highest number possible.
:: Also the nature of the business is such that it can be hard to measure (I actually tried to do this for a company I was working for back in 2000) - is a suspended customer or one who hasn't paid for two months (or six) a customer or not a customer? Do some sets of figures include overseas customers, with others including only Australia? Are customers with two different products treated as two separate customers? Is a customer who only buys an email box for $5 a month equivalent to a corporate cohoster - i.e. is size measured in customer terms or in FTQ terms? OneTel used to claim higher internet share based on bundles, but customers often weren't aware they had been bundled - is that still a problem with other companies today?
:: These questions can't be answered easily, and apply not just to iiNet but to the entire industry. I've looked and can find no reliable page that ranks Australian ISPs. Yahoo Finance's iiNet profile says 620,000 for iiNet at some unspecified time in 2005. Primus claims 600,000  and 700,000 , Optusnet claims 825,000  and to be well ahead of all others bar Bigpond. Telstra claims 1.2m, 1.5m or 2.0m depending on where you source. A now-defunct blog, badtelstra.blogspot.com, quoted a 14 July 2005 article on australianit.news.com.au saying iiNet had dropped from 3rd to 4th - this was after the acquisition of Ozemail. Several sources in 2004 (including MCI, iiNet and The Age) say 4th at that time.  Orderinchaos78 18:19, 15 June 2006
:::Maybe this will help a little?
:::*"According telecommunications analyst firm Paul Budde Communications EFTel trails the top five ISPs Telstra (1,800,000), Optus (890,000), iiNet (650,000), Primus (570,000) and TPG (300,000), and second tier providers Veridas, Dodo and TPG." 
:::Then again, it doesn't tell us whether that's total customers, total active customers, or DSL customers. Also, the Australian had a graph in the first half of March - don't know when specifically.
:::the graph from the australian (which was looking at broadband only) had:
:::*telstra 42.8%
:::*optus 19%
:::*iinet 6.1%
:::*primus 4.6%
:::*tpg 4.3%
:::*westnet 3.1%
:::*aapt 2.6%
:::*people telecom 2.5%
:::*unwired 1.6%
:::*exetel 1.2%
:::*other 12.2%
:::= 100%  (sourced from whirlpool )
::: Greg 03:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good find!! I looked far and wide for something like that :P Thanks. Orderinchaos78 21:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third largest ISP? 

message: Early growth
A growing demand on infrastructure and a rapidly increasing number of staff saw the company relocate again in 1997 to the central QV.1 building. Shortly after, it was instrumental in forming the Western Australian Internet Exchange (WAIX) in the same premises in conjunction with other Perth providers.
* The Western Australian Internet Association was the organisation that formed WAIX (www.waia.asn.au). Along with several other ISPs, iiNet was one of the first members of WAIX (www.waia.asn.au/waix).
:: A combination of the above and the original wording would present the most accurate picture of the situation.
::: Replaced with "Also in early 1997, the Western Australian Internet Association, formed in 1995 to represent the Internet community in Western Australia [www.waia.asn.au], created a peering and interconnection arrangement known as WAIX (Western Australian Internet eXchange ) between its members, which included iiNet and several other Perth-based ISPs."
:::: While I can see what you're getting at, iiNet *was* instrumental in the setup of WAIX. WAIA was, at the time, chaired by Michael Malone. 
:::::I was responsible for WAIX from Day 1 until 2001, and I worked at iiNet at the time. It was founded by iiNet and what were to be two of its subsidiaries (Wantree and Omen) under the banner of WAIX. It was clearly a WAIA initiative, but I doubt would have happened without iiNet. It was in space initially leased by iiNet, using iiNet's connectivity etc. Therefore it is fair to say they were instrumental. --kjd 03:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WAIA formed WAIX. 

message: In 2003, iiNet made its biggest acquisition to date, purchasing key New Zealand provider ihug. The move cemented its position as one of the primary providers in the Australia/New Zealand Internet market.
* 'one of the primary providers in the Australia/New Zealand Internet market' needs to be justified. Without anything cited to back this up, it could easily be seen as just biased opinion.
:: Agreed. The wording needs work - it is a case where the comment is true, but worded by a marketer. I don't think there's any disputing that one of Australia and NZ's biggest providers would be one of the prime providers. I would simply have said "largest" as it is not a wholesaler (I would understand primary to imply a hierarchy which in this case doesn't exist). Also the words "to date" would now be incorrect due to the acquisition of Ozemail (which if I recall was at the time it occurred a case of the snake swallowing the horse).
::: Rewrote as "In 2003, iiNet made what was then its biggest acquisition, purchasing key New Zealand provider ihug. The acquisition significantly increased iiNet's share of the Australia/New Zealand Internet market." Various sources suggest it moved from no.6 to either no.4 or no.5, which was a big increase but at 390,000 it was still way behind several others, hence "largest" would have been factually incorrect. Orderinchaos78 13:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Primary" providers? 

message: 21 March 2014: Michael Malone has resigned today from his role as CEO and Board director of iiNet Limited. 
This needs to be incorporated into the article.
Reference available at press release: http://www.iinet.net.au/about/mediacentre/releases/20140321-michael-malone-resigns-as-ceo-and-board-director.html
Nazrila 202.89.160.207 (talk) 05:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Malone departing from the iiNet Group 

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message: Please change the following paragraphs "iiNet Limited is Australia's second-largest internet service provider with more than 1.3 million customers as of 15 August 2011. It was acquired by TPG Telecom in September 2015 for $1.56 billion,[1] but retained its retail brand name in the market. Its subsidiaries include Internode, Westnet, AAPT Limited, Adam Internet, TransACT and Netspace. Their focus is primarily on ADSL-based Internet access, using their own ADSL2+ infrastructure, reselling Telstra ADSL services and more recently in reselling the NBN. iiNet also provides optical-fibre, dial-up, and voice services. iiNet has in its growth acquired or merged with many smaller ISPs building a substantial customer base in Western Australia, and then, by acquiring ihug and OzEmail, expanded significantly into the eastern states" 
to
"iiNet Limited is an Australian Internet Service Provider with subsidiaries including Internode, Westnet, Adam Internet, TransACT and Netspace. iiNet is one of the only major ISPs to offer NBN plans across every available NBN technology including NBN Fibre, Fixed Wireless and Satellite. iiNet also offers high speed broadband plans on its ULTRA Broadband networks delivering VDSL2 in the ACT {{cite web |url=https://www.iinet.net.au/internet-products/broadband/vdsl2 |title=iiNet ULTRA Broadband |website=iiNet/, HFC in Mildura. Ballarat and Geelong {{cite web |url=https://www.iinet.net.au/internet-products/fibre/cable/ |title=iiNet Cable Broadband |website=iiNet, and FTTB in selected buildings nationwide {{cite web |url=https://www.iinet.net.au/internet-products/broadband/fttb/plans |title=iiNet FTTB |website=iiNet. iiNet also provides ADSL-based Internet access using their own ADSL2+ infrastructure, optical-fibre and voice services. 
In addition to its residential services, iiNet Business {{cite web |url=https://www.iinet.net.au/business/home/ |title=iiNet Business |website=iiNet Business also provides high speed broadband over the NBN and over their own enterprise grade fibre network, phone solutions, domains, web hosting and hosted services targeted at small and medium-sized enterprises (SME).
iiNet acquired or merged with many smaller ISPs to build a substantial customer base in Western Australia, and then expanded significantly into the eastern states by acquiring ihug and OzEmail. iiNet was acquired by TPG Telecom in September 2015 for $1.56 billion,[1] and has retained its retail brand name in the market."
due to the following parts being incorrect
- No longer Australia's second largest ISP 
- 1.3 million customers is incorrect
- The NBN is now iiNet's main focus due to ADSL2+ technology being phased out {{cite web |url=https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/learn/device-compatibility/services-that-will-be-switched-off |title=NBN Services that will be switched off |website=nbnco 
Thank you 
Brent.Clinch (talk) 07:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: # The requested changes are WP:PROMOTIONAL in nature. Describing the company as  and as offering  is to promote the company's services. Also describing how iiNet provides  is information which is already included in the lead section. All of the proposed claims are also already made on the company's website.
# The sentence  is practically identical to the subsequent sentence which states  the only difference being one is business and the other is residential. Highlighting both in the lead section is repetitive and promotional, especially with the added qualifications that the business services offer .
# Phrases such as  (which is already in the lead section) makes use of WP:PEACOCK words. A better way to phrase this would be "iiNet acquired or merged with many smaller ISPs to build a customer base in Western Australia, and then expanded into the eastern states by acquiring ihug and OzEmail."
# The COI editor is reminded not to WP:REFACTOR other editor's posts on talk pages.
# The COI editor is additionally reminded that if they receive, or expect to receive, compensation for any contribution they make, they must disclose their employer, client, and affiliation to comply with Wikipedia's terms of use and the policy on paid editing.
Regards,  Spintendo  11:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 18-JUL-2019

message: Please change the following paragraphs "iiNet Limited is Australia's second-largest internet service provider with more than 1.3 million customers as of 15 August 2011. It was acquired by TPG Telecom in September 2015 for $1.56 billion,[1] but retained its retail brand name in the market. Its subsidiaries include Internode, Westnet, AAPT Limited, Adam Internet, TransACT and Netspace. Their focus is primarily on ADSL-based Internet access, using their own ADSL2+ infrastructure, reselling Telstra ADSL services and more recently in reselling the NBN. iiNet also provides optical-fibre, dial-up, and voice services. iiNet has in its growth acquired or merged with many smaller ISPs building a substantial customer base in Western Australia, and then, by acquiring ihug and OzEmail, expanded significantly into the eastern states"
to
iiNet Limited is an Australian Internet Service Provider that delivers residential NBN™ plans across every available NBN technology; broadband plans on its own fibre-based networks; and own ADSL2+ infrastructure as well as voice and IPTV services.  iiNet Business [4] also provides broadband over the NBN™ and over its own enterprise-grade fibre network, phone solutions, domains, web hosting and hosted services targeted at small and medium-sized enterprises (SME). iiNet has multiple subsidiaries including Internode, Westnet, Adam Internet and TransACT. Since launching in 1993, iiNet acquired many other ISPs such as ihug, OzEmail and Netspace. iiNet was acquired by TPG Telecom in September 2015 for $1.56 billion,[1]
due to the following parts being incorrect
- No longer Australia's second largest ISP 
- 1.3 million customers is incorrect
- The NBN is now iiNet's main focus due to ADSL2+ technology being phased out {{cite web |url=https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/learn/device-compatibility/services-that-will-be-switched-off |title=NBN Services that will be switched off |website=nbnco 
This request is from an employee of iiNet
203.213.0.203 (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: # The intro section already describes the company's use of NBN, however, this has been clarified by removing the term "recently" with regards to its use of NBN, so that it now states simply that the company uses NBN.
# The claim regarding being the "second largest" was omitted as it was unreferenced. 
# The claim of having 1.3 million subscribers in 2011 was omitted as it was unreferenced.
Regards,  Spintendo  09:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 23-JUL-2019