Talk:Argei

message: This isn't Greek mythology; I'm taking that stub and category off. Ben Tibbetts 23:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

message: I'd like to hear thoughts on renaming this article Argei (ritual). Or something else. Definitely not "dolls." I should also note that a separate minimal stub called Argei (chapels) used to exist, and I've changed it to redirect to Argei (dolls). There's no benefit to treating the two separately (I don't even know how one would do so, since the sacella as far as I know have left no archaeological trace, and potential confusion and replication. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just Argei would be perfect but I suppose we can't, because of Argei (manufacturer). Can we do anything about that? If not, Argei (ritual seems OK. Or at least, I can't think of anything better. Haploidavey (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I did wonder whether we could do that; we'd have to move the content of Argei to Argei (disambiguation) first, but the manufacturer already has a disambiguating phrase. That article is an orphan, so between these two obscure topics our ancient Roman Argei seem more traveled (nearly five times more traveled than the olive oil folks, and that isn't counting the chapels which now redirect here). However, you can't move this page to "Argei", because it will say the name is taken. You'd have to copy this content and paste it there, which is illegitimate because it doesn't move the page history, as if anyone cares. (Oh wait! They might want to check the era convention! Horrors!) But it can be done, and then you request that an admin move the page history by some sort of evocatio. Or not; this page will have been changed to a redirect. Sigh. I don't really effing care. But what is your hesitation re: "ritual"? I also thought about "cult" but liked it even less. I left a note asking Aldrasto's opinion. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer Argei for simplicity's sake; it embraces dollies, chapels, rites and anything else - not that I can think of anything else. "Cult" would be undelicious. On the move-or-not-move business, I'll drop a note to a friendly and knowing admin's page in a day or two, or once Aldrasto's responded, whichever's first. As for the effing rest, I'm tempted to say "what page history?", followed by "what effing era convention?" but folks might think I know even less than I effing care. If you know what I mean. Haploidavey (talk) 23:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a note to stick on the top if you want an admin to move a page history. I've done this once and the response was prompt. But you request this after the fact, presumably because you did a boo-boo, not a no-no, so I suppose it would be, ahem, disingenuous to do it deliberately. (Incidentally, I keep circling around Mars — the god, I mean, not the planet — and he keeps sending me on these odd tangents, like here. I find that very interesting about him.) Cynwolfe (talk) 00:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny how we get where we're going. I've been hanging around under the Saxum; suddenly, here I was. Haploidavey (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I think your first instinct is right (and Davey's), and we should try to make this happen: just Argei. I think I see how to do it. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm distracted from this today  — it being one of the High Holy Days on the calendar of Pop Culture Saints (new Harry Potter movie opening! must chauffeur young teenagers to their various rites!) — but will get back to it as soon as I can, if no one else does. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Gradel (I think it was) says 27 or 30 Argei. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How many teenagers per gallon is that? If I tried the Rites of Redirection, the page would explode or go wormy. I'm not even muggle, I'm sub-muggle. But I'll look up Gradel, at least. Haploidavey (talk) 18:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Gradel's higher number's given in Dionysus, 1.38. The lower is Varro's highest, which I'm sure we already knew... Haploidavey (talk) 22:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposed renaming 

message: Palmer explores the route in detail, including contradictions in the sources; I think the entirety of his discussion of the route (though not the whole section on the Argei) is available online. See citations — footnote 1, I think it was. It's obviously far too technical and detailed for WP, but perhaps susceptible to summary. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route 

message: Unless a source says the figures were jointed or were manipulated to show movement (like marionettes), it seems to me that to the average Anglophone the word "puppets" (or "dolls") is going to conjure the wrong image. I think we're fine with effigies (to represent Latin effigies) or images (simulacra). Since I haven't read all the source material on this, it's quite possible that there's something in the texts to suggest that during the procession they were used as giant puppets à la Julie Taymor. Of course there are religious processions in which images of beings or creatures, often oversized, are used in just that way. See also wayang (and topeng, though that's more like a Roman funeral procession or satyristai at the pompa circensis). I'm not sure whether there's an indication of the size of the Roman figures — that is, how literally to take the being fashioned into human form in terms of dimension. But unless there a better explanation in the article, I think "puppets" is perhaps distracting, and "dolls" perhaps too diminutive. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  puppets 

message: Shouldn't sacra Argeorum mean "rites of the Argei"? Wouldn't shrines/chapels be sacraria or sacella Argeorum? I believe Aldrasto added this, so perhaps he can enlighten me. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct! I'm deleting this line. -Eponymous-Archon (talk) 12:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: sacra Argeorum