Talk:Biometrics

message: BIOMETRICS IS A MATHAMATICAL SCIENCE THAT ATTEMPTS TO EQUATE THE RELATIONS IN THE BIOLOGICAL WORLD  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.255.157 (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This article has nothing to do with Biometrics

message: All discussion is based on certain presumptions and if they fail this method becomes a hurdle in life of an individual. I say this because this method depends on many intermediate equipment to first take the data and then eventually process it and then send it to the server, then further process to compare at the computer software, then the data returned to the end point from where the test is performed. Failure of any one of these very high-tech system will refuse to identify the person as that. This will create untold problems for the person. This is the reason why such a high-tech system should not be applied in under developed countries such as India. To compare this so called super specialty method with conventional photo identity, we see that in photo method no involvement of any intermediate steps. This makes the system more foolproof and safe for individuals. 
Moreover, we notice that in many cases finger vein design changes due to diseases such as skin diseases. Accidents, other causes can deform that design. We also notice that Eris design also changes as person becomes older. Moreover we do not have any conclusive evidence to say that no two persons have same Eris and finger prints. Everything is based on many unproven presumptions. Therefore, first let us prove these presumptions and then accept it or not. I firmly believe this method is being promoted for the business involved in selling finger prints and Eris.      Pathare Prabhu (talk) 06:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: viability of biometrics in identifying individual

message: Someone from USA should write a paragraph about biometry and gun control. For example, if all law enforcement firearms had palm readers or RFID tags against unauthorized use, two recent spree killing could have been prevented (the Fulton courtroom massacre and the Red Chippewa school massacre). Both places the madmen used police weapons. There would be no legal or constitutional problems with bio-authenticating weapons used by the authorities.
Reply - Guns work because they are simple.  Guns have decreased in complexity over the past 100 years.  There are multiple solutions to the problems you mention that do not involve biometry.
googling for gun complexity biometric turned this up: 
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/SmartGuns.htm#C.%20Reliability%20as%20The%20Key
What if the palm reader or RFID tag failed? What if the original owner needs someone else to use their gun? Sometimes people even forget to take off the safety, I can't image what would happen with more hurdles to firing. I can see this being useful in cases where criminals shoot police officers with their own sidearm, but in other situations this doesn't sound like a smart idea. 67.85.137.135 21:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biometrics and arms. 

message: Is it against wikipedia rules to run a big URL through something like tinyurl to correct the horizontal scroll bar?
Sclozza 04:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page layout 

message: I found some interesting discussions on The Biometric Consortium's Discussion List
see  http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/biometrics.html
Link is dead: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/biometrics.html - discussion list removed.
There is a city in Mexico called Leon that uses iris scan technology:
Iris Scanners Create the Most Secure City in the World. Welcome, Big Brother
http://www.fastcompany.com/1683302/iris-scanners-create-the-most-secure-city-in-the-world-welcomes-big-brother
Goodbye 2010. Hello 1984.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.148.70 (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biometric Discussion List

message: United States- United States is a strong advocate of biometrics. As of 2005, it's moving to require biometric passport from its own and foreign citizens. The European Union has criticized it for causing unnecessary harm to civil liberties and privacy.
I don't think I need to say anything more.  Recommended this article for copyediting. 67.162.225.236 02:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: This section has been moved to Biometric passports as it is more relevant to that article. --apers0n 21:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian passports 

message: This word is in use since the early XIX century, with a meaning close to "application of exact sciences methodology to biological sciences", and there are books and periodicals from that time to prove it (one famous example among statisticians is the magazine Biometrika).
It is bigger than human biometrics security systems, and bigger than biostatistics, because includes, for an instance, applying experimental planning methods developed for electronic engineering to agricultural experiments, studies of Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium (a population genetics problem which may be posed in terms of proportions) and Ethology (in the sense used in The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, a science that although of biological nature, draws freely from Game Theory).
I strongly believe that this page should be a disambiguation page.
--Lucas Gallindo 19:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little comment on the usage of the word Biometrics 

message: someone please check the validity of the following table: 
Comparison of various biometric technologies, according to A. K. Jain
it seems to be tampered with. The table looked different a while ago
Joris
:yes, it is, now it is more complete. The old one was taken from a document who had cropped part of the original version, I have found the original document (see the reference) and I have copied from there. Alessio Damato (Talk) 13:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  please check validity of table 

message: Uses and initiatives
[edit] Brazil
Since the beginning of the 20th 
[Semantics: this paragraph goes right from 1900 (the beginning of the 20th century) to 1999, without any intervening events, leading one to suspect the author meant the 21st century, when according to the reference at Dr. Vucetich, fingerprinted Brazilian ID cards existed before 1900] 
century, Brazilian citizens have 
[Syntax: Since/have?]
user ID cards. The decision by the Brazilian government to adopt fingerprint-based biometrics was spearheaded by Dr. Felix Pacheco at Rio de Janeiro, at that time capital of the Federative Republic. Dr. Pacheco was a friend of Dr. Juan Vucetich, who invented one of the most complete tenprint classification systems in existence. The Vucetich system was adopted not only in Brazil, but also by most of the other South American countries. The oldest and most traditional ID Institute in Brazil (Instituto de Identificação Félix Pacheco) was integrated at DETRAN [7] (Brazilian equivalent to DMV) into the civil and criminal AFIS system in 1999.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.39.198.126 (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syntax/Semantics 

message: At present this article has a mixture of U.S and UK English, with occasional tussles over the odd word.  My last attempt to harmonise/harmonize throughout was reverted. Any consensus as to which variant to use? Checking back, U.S. English has been the norm on this page. --Old Moonraker 21:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, trying again. This is just to achieve consistency through the article and not favoring one form of English over the other. --Old Moonraker 17:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:ENGVAR]] Consistency within articles 

message: Biometrics#Germany refers to a "gigital" photograph. This is the first time I've come across the phrase (and I don't want to fall into the WP:IDONTKNOWIT trap), but would a link or explanation be useful? It seems to apply to hi-res devices, so is it appropriate for this application at all? Or is it just a typo? --Old Moonraker 13:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Old Moonraker 12:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gigital photograph

message: Could someone please add a definition for the Universality column in the table?  All the other fields are described, but I have no idea what that one means.  67.43.141.66 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 12:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Universality in Comparison of various biometric technologies table 

message: The table has some errors, and the reference should be to another article, see
http://biometrics.cse.msu.edu/Publications/GeneralBiometrics/JainRossPrabhakar_BiometricIntro_CSVT04.pdf (page 12)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.226.143.206 (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in the table with A.K. Jains work on biometrics 

message: Removed "Gordon Brown (The Prime Minister) has now given commercial sectors the go ahead for using biometric technology" from article, as not developing the article in a meaningful way. No reference given, but it may have been prompted by this piece of puffery from National Outsourcing Association (NOA), the UK’s trade association, dated two day ago. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gordon Brown (The Prime Minister) 

message: Parts of this article within the "Physiological" section are a lift from GlobalSecurity.org, here. Their page has been in existence since at least August 2005, (archived ) and the material here was added after that date. Any reason why I shouldn't prune it? --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. --Old Moonraker (talk) 11:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible [[WP:COPYVIO]] 

message: * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=biometric+recognition&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en
--222.67.208.51 (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The see also section shouldn't contain redlinks. Verbal chat 09:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A red link in the see also section is associated with the following info.... 

message: This article should mention Francis Galton, the founder of Biometrics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.78.84 (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francis Galton 

message: Possibly, however it is important to accurately convey the motivation of those driving biometric adoption. If the number of quotes are reduced, the original message behind those drivers should be retained. I'm interested to hear your thoughts 84User.   Benjamin Gittins (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotes need paraphrasing, rather than necessarily reducing in number. My copy editing skills are low in that area but see my recent edit as an example of what is needed. See also Wikipedia:Copy-paste#What about quotes?. -84user (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The quotes are not notable, and including them here is a violation of WP:DUE. There is plenty to write about this subject without having a dozen non-notable lengthy block quotes. Basically, this entire page needs to be re-written, preferably using scholarly literature, since plenty of it exists for this topic. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning: It contains too many quotations for an encyclopedic entry.  

message: I have been editing this page as time permits and just noticed that the lead section splits biometric characteristics into 'physiological' and 'behavioral'.  I have no problem with the latter category but I think that physical is a preferable term for the former.  A while ago I added a citation for this part of the page (using one of Jain et al's texts) but, in retrospect, it isn't accurate because they discuss "the identity of an individual based on the physical, chemical or behavioral attributes of the person", and not physiology.  Later in that same text there is reference to only "physical or behavioral characteristics".  At any rate, I could find no reference to support the use of 'physiological' at all and was tempted to simply change it to 'physical' but thought it might be better to discuss it before changing the information.  Anyone care to comment?  — RB Ostrum. 18:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Weaver, A. C. (2006). Biometric Authentication. Computer, 39 (2), 96-97.
I personally think the term 'physiological' has the connotation of pertaining to the biological function of parts of the body, whereas 'physical' is a more general reference to the body. For the purposes of this article, I agree with you and think that the term 'physical' might be more appropriate. Biometric authentication doesn't really measure the function of someone's iris, just its physical characteristics.
Nawalani (talk) 00:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physiological vs. physical 

message: I think it would be beneficial for the article to add some information about the accuracy of measuring different biometric characteristics. For instance, I have read that, since iris scans have more degrees of freedom, they have the potential to be more accurate than fingerprint scans (Weaver, 2006). I would also like to add data on the FAR's and FRR's of behavioural and physical characteristics. What does everyone think?
Nawalani (talk) 00:32, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of different biometric measures 

message: Hi everyone, I made some edits to the introduction in order to add more information about the concept of biometrics. I also attempted to make the writing flow more coherently, as it has been tagged as having the characteristics of a list and may benefit from being presented in prose.  In the process, I also added two more citations from academic sources. Finally, I moved the comment at the end of the previous version of the introduction about voice recognition under note 2, as I felt that it did not fit with the scope of the article.
Nawalani (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to the Introduction 

message: I think every one is looking to biometrics for security purpose. http://www.allwebid.com is the website gives biometric system to control all your online security issues. Aasad2013 (talk) 02:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software for Biometrics 

message: This should be named biomettics(Authentication), since biometrics is a branch of biostatistics that has little to do with what is said here, and has existed for decades before the arrival of biometrics as an authentication scheme. The article even has a link on top to the journal of biometrics, that is not about anything said in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by  178.166.8.164  (talk • contribs)  16:57, 29 Oct 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename proposal 

message: The first chapter mentions authentication:
"Biometrics refers to metrics related to human characteristics Biometrics authentication (or realistic authentication) is used in computer science as a form of identification and access control."
Then the third chapter mentions the following:
"Since biometric identifiers are unique to individuals, they are more reliable in verifying identity than token and knowledge-based methods"
Being biometric or non-biometric doesn't make a difference in reliability (other than being "longer/complex passwords"). It is the authentication process itself making this difference. You have a process checking that the "password" is coming from a real person, not from stored data from *prior* scans or a copy of such process.
Then, about "Cancelable biometrics":
"One advantage of passwords over biometrics is that they can be re-issued."
What is the purpose? Please at least mention incorrectly applied or missing biometric authentication process in this case.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.71.39 (talk) 08:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authentication vs. use as passwords 

message: In the Performance section it appears: "This increases the FAR, which thus...", was this supposed to be "FMR (false match rate)" ? or is it "False Acceptance Rate" which is a synonym to FMR ?
WurmD (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Typo or need of clarification "FAR" 

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message: There are several comments in the discussion above (as it now stands) pointing out that biometrics is a branch of mathematical biology, and that its recent application to authentication is but a small sideshow of biometrics proper.  
Biometric authentication (of sneaky humans) is properly of subset of biometric identification (automated surveillance and threat detection depends upon this broader concept), which has been practiced by human society in the non-human domain since the invention of hands and livestock, both of which fall under biometrics, the science.  
There also a burgeoning field of biometrics applied to sports performance: 
* Biometrics - The Statistical Revolution The NHL Isn't Talking About — 12 September 2016
These reverse-takeover articles are not uncommon on Wikipedia, but this one strikes me as one of the worst offenders. — MaxEnt 14:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename proposal revived 

message: Does anybody here consider that the following content about Biometrics for Voter Registration and Voter Identification Draft:Biometric_voter_registration could go in this article? It is currently a draft. As I didn’t find such information in Wikipedia I decided to go for it, research and create the first version. I apologise if this is not the right place to ask for this. But I would like some of your opinions, as I am not sure whether this information would be worthier to be added in Biometrics, or should I rather try to add it in other articles such as Electronic_authentication or Voter Registration? or create a RfC? Any thoughts (and suggestions) would be very much appreciated! Thank you!E-DemSnoopy (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: The Biometric voter registration draft was accepted as a new WP article by its own Biometric voter registration, so I will only be linking both articles, instead of copying any content. Thanks!E-DemSnoopy (talk) 11:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: This section seems to overwhelm the topic of biometrics to underscore people's fear of it from various aspects.  There is a variety of slants on biometrics threat to civil liberties, but there is no balance to include the ways in which biometrics can be applied to protect civil liberties by making identity theft and impersonation more difficult.  After reading the entire section in its entirety, it strikes me that the author is unreasonably paranoid, fearing government misuse, but not in fear of commercial misuse.  Strange.  I don't know how to fix it without rewriting the whole section.Wbaron (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues and Concerns Section is HUGE 

message: I added more types of behavioral biometrics in the introductory section, specifically keystroke, signature, hand-waving, and behavioral profiling. For the keystroke and signature examples, I linked the existing Wikipedia pages. I also cited the source where I found more examples of the different types/categories of behavioral type biometrics. (Alzubaidi, Abdulaziz and Jugal Kalita. 2016. "Authentication of Smartphone Users Using Behavioral Biometrics," IEEE Communications Surveys & Tutorials 18 (3): 998-2026.) I would also like to suggest that it may be a good idea to separate physical and behavioral into their own sections in the article.Hiiisparks (talk) 20:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of more behavioral biometric examples 

message: "Some researchers have coined the term behaviometrics to describe the latter class of biometrics.[1]"
The term does not appear even once in the study. Sydebrix (talk) 08:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term "behaviometrics" unsourced  

message: This article has some uncorrected errors, since it was vandalized several months ago. I tried to undo these edits, but they couldn't be undone for some reason. Jarble (talk) 19:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncorrected vandalism