Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/Warnings review

message: ===Current wording===
 Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, one or more of the external links you added  do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the  before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. 
===Suggestions for improvement spam1===
* IMHO, this one is quite OK.  It reflects what I generally say, we are writing an encyclopedia here, not a linkfarm.  
* I'd like to see the 'Since Wikipedi auses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings' go; striktly, this is not true, since wikipedia pages do get copied to other sites, and then do alter the rankings of the site being linked to.
* Bit further, can we suggest people that they can add content to the article, using the external link as a reference.
* Maybe we should have two versions of these templates, one for true spam (I mean here, things like viagra links), and one for the links which are only spam because of the way they got added.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 20:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: --A. B. (talk)  19:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another useful tidbit from EL... Advertising and conflicts of interest --Hu12 19:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the list, IMO that's too long for a warning (it would be good for a welcome+warning, but that's not what uw-spam1 is for). We don't want to overwhelm the newbie's talk page with a huge wad of text. Anomie⚔ 14:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a new section above.--Hu12 00:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See old section below --Versageek 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. oh yea..rmvd--Hu12 00:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|uw-spam1}}

message: * IMHO, this one is quite OK.  It reflects what I generally say, we are writing an encyclopedia here, not a linkfarm.  
* I'd like to see the 'Since Wikipedi auses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings' go; striktly, this is not true, since wikipedia pages do get copied to other sites, and then do alter the rankings of the site being linked to.
* Bit further, can we suggest people that they can add content to the article, using the external link as a reference.
* Maybe we should have two versions of these templates, one for true spam (I mean here, things like viagra links), and one for the links which are only spam because of the way they got added.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 20:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: --A. B. (talk)  19:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another useful tidbit from EL... Advertising and conflicts of interest --Hu12 19:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the list, IMO that's too long for a warning (it would be good for a welcome+warning, but that's not what uw-spam1 is for). We don't want to overwhelm the newbie's talk page with a huge wad of text. Anomie⚔ 14:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a new section above.--Hu12 00:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See old section below --Versageek 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. oh yea..rmvd--Hu12 00:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement spam1

message: ===Current wording===
 Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product.  See the external links guideline and spam policy for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. 
===Suggestions for improvement spam2 ===
* This template uses the word 'spam', IMHO that is technically correct (it is something that may not be wanted, but pushed without choice, it does not say anything about the content, though that is the general misconception'.  At this point, an editor is already adding the links to more pages, and has had a chance to read warning one.  I guess 'spam policy' (which is, by the way, a content guideline, certainly not a policy), could be reworded to reflect 'link pushing'
* Again the nofollow argument .. can be removed, I think.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|uw-spam2}}

message: * This template uses the word 'spam', IMHO that is technically correct (it is something that may not be wanted, but pushed without choice, it does not say anything about the content, though that is the general misconception'.  At this point, an editor is already adding the links to more pages, and has had a chance to read warning one.  I guess 'spam policy' (which is, by the way, a content guideline, certainly not a policy), could be reworded to reflect 'link pushing'
* Again the nofollow argument .. can be removed, I think.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement spam2 

message: ===Current wording===
   You have been  from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for continuing to add spam links.  Persistent spammers will have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below. 
===Suggestions for improvement sblock===
*Also here, remove the term 'spam link' (and the designation 'spammers'), see above in uw-spam4 and uw-spam4im.  Rest is OK.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: --Hu12 15:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be specific, it's a pornographic fire parrot. --A. B. (talk)  19:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|uw-sblock}}

message: *Also here, remove the term 'spam link' (and the designation 'spammers'), see above in uw-spam4 and uw-spam4im.  Rest is OK.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: --Hu12 15:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be specific, it's a pornographic fire parrot. --A. B. (talk)  19:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement sblock

message: ===Current wording===
Welcome
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia.  We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes.  Wikipedia does not allow advertising in articles.  For more information on this, see
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===Current wording - Versageek version===
{| width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="10" style="vertical-align:top; background-color:#B22222; padding:0;"	
  Hello !  Welcome to Wikipedia!  We invite everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia.  However, some of your recent contributions do not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. For more information on this, see:
*Policy on neutral point of view
*Guideline on spam
*Guideline on external links
*Guideline on conflict of interest
If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking  or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your constructive involvement. Happy editing! Dirk Beetstra T C 20:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|welcomespam}}

message: {| width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="10" style="vertical-align:top; background-color:#B22222; padding:0;"	
  Hello !  Welcome to Wikipedia!  We invite everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia.  However, some of your recent contributions do not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. For more information on this, see:
*Policy on neutral point of view
*Guideline on spam
*Guideline on external links
*Guideline on conflict of interest
If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking  or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your constructive involvement. Happy editing! Dirk Beetstra T C 20:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current wording - Versageek version

message: * Personally I like the Versageek one.  The border makes it stand out rather more from the conventional welcome? --Herby talk thyme 11:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement welcomespam

message: * Request, it would be nice to have two optional parameters, 'link' and 'reason', which could result in something like "... However, the external link 'link' you added to 'page' does not comply with our guidelines for external links because 'reason' and has been removed.  ..." I am not sure if the link should result in a working link (which would for the spam-fighters make it more easy to actually trace the people adding the link).  Any thoughts?  --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General suggestions/improvements