Talk:Monsignor Farrell High School

message: WTF
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE? A BRIEF INTRO, AND THEN SOME CRAP ABOUT THE BAND??????   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.92.198 (talk) 04:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Strict discipline — up to and including corporal punishment — prevails, a fact well known throughout Staten Island.
:Not that I've ever heard. Took it out. --User:Jenmoa 02:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discipline

message: That line seems pretty biased.
-Bizznot 02:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best high schools in the country? 

message: How is it possible that Jim Albus, born 1940, attended a high school established in 1961?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.192.232.51 (talk) 18:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Albus 

message: On almost every Catholic high school website on Staten Island, I never see any information about the school's namesake. Who was Countess Moore? Who was Monsignior Farrell?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.243.68 (talk) 17:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was Monsignior Farrell? 

message: The admission stats don't add up. It's claimed the 200-250 students are accepted each year, but current enrollment is 1,200. That means an average of 300 students are accepted each year. And that assumes that all students accepted choose to attend. The admission rate has to be higher to support the current enrollment figure. Either the enrollment figure needs to be corrected, or there needs to be additional evidence that there are only 200-250 students accepted each year.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.154.18 (talk) 23:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admissions Statistics 

message: How is this possible? The person this is attributed to, John Lavelle, wasn't even born until 1981. I'm sorry, I didn't realize someone who won't be born for another 14 years can star in a movie..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.36.24 (talk) 00:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a 2002 Broadway adaptation, not the original film. I'll tweak the entry. Meters (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Actor who starred in 'The Graduate' in 2002" when The Graduate came out in 1967...?? 

message: Please include Impractical Jokers as famous alumni. 
2601:1C0:6A00:5320:F035:9B32:202C:E4A4 (talk) 09:36, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And we have no articles about these individual people. The people are the alumni, but the group is all that appears notable (to wikipedia standards) at this time. So neither the group nor the people are "notable alumni". DMacks (talk) 16:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2016 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The school's web site lists the principal as  Edmund Whalen on both the principal's message https://www.msgrfarrellhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=319370&type=d and the Administration Department staff listing https://www.msgrfarrellhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=65182&type=d . If the school page is wrong then provide a reliable source. I've added  a source for this to the article, and I will treat any more unsourced claims that the principal has changed as vandalism. Meters (talk) 03:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principal 

message: Sorry I tried to do more than what you could accept from quick Edit Summaries. I'm also sorry if this explanation now errs on the long side! – but let's try this one step at a time, and see if we can narrow down the disagreements over the next couple of days.
Rather than leave the article's biographical summary of Monsignor Joseph Farrell totally unreferenced, I added a citation to the best biographical sketch that I could find – written by the school, acceptable under WP:SELFPUB, and archived on an old webpage. We can append a "better source needed" tag if you like, but surely an archival school source is better than nothing. Please, I hope you don't object to this particular improvement?
Then from the same school source, plus a recent newspaper reference that was already in the article, I added a list of the school's eight Principals. Here's the relevant full paragraph (about school articles) from the WP:LISTPEOPLE standard, with my own underlining added for emphasis:
For instance, articles about schools often include (or link to) a list of notable alumni/alumnae, but such lists are not intended to contain everyone who attended the school. Editors who would like to be identified as an alumnus/alumna should instead use the categories intended for this purpose, e.g. :Category:Wikipedians by alma mater. On the other hand, a list within an article of past school presidents, headmasters or headmistresses can contain the names of all the people who held this post, not just those who are independently notable.
So, for "articles about schools", naming the complete historical sequence of Principals is indeed acceptable by WP as appropriate encyclopedic content. Furthermore, Farrell High School's leadership transition from clergy to laity after 58 years is itself notable (4th sentence of the cited newspaper article), so I really think it should be acknowledged in our encyclopedia article about the school. I take your style point about generally excluding MOS:CREDENTIALS from people's names, and I'll be more alert about this in the future. Please, could you live with a brief section like this:
===Principals===
The following individuals have served as principal of the school, from founding to present. The first seven were senior clergy. Then after 58 years, in 2019 Lawrence Musanti became the first principal appointed from the laity, and his predecessor Edmund Whalen praised the shift as "the future of the Church".
# John J. Considine (1961–1965)
# William J. Barnes (1965–1977)
# Peter G. Finn (1977–1983)
# Thomas J. Bergin (1983–1992)
# Emmet R. Nevin (1992–2002)
# John N. Paddack (2002–2010)
# Edmund J. Whalen (2010–2019)
# Lawrence Musanti (2019– )
Next, following the "Notable alumni" section, where I certainly agree that blue-linked notability is an appropriate criterion, I'd please like to add a similar (much shorter) section for "Notable faculty" – or alternatively, broaden our existing section header to become "Notable alumni and faculty". After all, schools aren't only about their students, and many school WP articles (and schools themselves) rightly make a point of highlighting both their notable students and faculty. Any strong reason why this article should avoid any mention of the notable "Founding Father of Farrell Basketball", Warren Fenley? Would you be more comfortable with a separate "Notable faculty" section, or a broader "Notable alumni and faculty" section, or some other place in the article?
===Notable faculty===
*Warren Fenley (1922–2009), basketball player for the first Boston Celtics, head coach for the first Farrell Lions
Finally, please, I hope there's nothing objectionable about my adding the long-overdue info & ref about alumnus James Oddo as Borough President, or my minor edits that corrected inconsistent formats (WP:DATEUNIFY) and expanded incomplete citations and trimmed redundant blurbs & wikilinks following the WP:DUPLINK guideline. I can itemize & explain these in smaller chunks if helpful. Did you find something controversial in these edits, or am I right in guessing that you reverted them mostly for the sake of reverting the larger edit that added the Principals?
I've never set foot in Farrell High School, and I don't know any of the people mentioned – no conflict of interest here – but clearly the article is thin on significant content, and seriously out of WP:PROPORTION for an encyclopedic summary of a notable school, and deserves better than just an infobox plus 2 unsourced boilerplate sentences and 15 alumni blurbs. I prefer to add snippets of significant info wherever it's encyclopedically appropriate, though I realize my brief Edit Summaries don't always do justice to the edits in question, and I agree that it's important to exclude nonsense. Thanks very much for your patience & consideration. —173.68.139.31 (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Detailed rationales for additional content

message: *Warren Fenley (1922–2009), basketball player for the first Boston Celtics, head coach for the first Farrell Lions
Finally, please, I hope there's nothing objectionable about my adding the long-overdue info & ref about alumnus James Oddo as Borough President, or my minor edits that corrected inconsistent formats (WP:DATEUNIFY) and expanded incomplete citations and trimmed redundant blurbs & wikilinks following the WP:DUPLINK guideline. I can itemize & explain these in smaller chunks if helpful. Did you find something controversial in these edits, or am I right in guessing that you reverted them mostly for the sake of reverting the larger edit that added the Principals?
I've never set foot in Farrell High School, and I don't know any of the people mentioned – no conflict of interest here – but clearly the article is thin on significant content, and seriously out of WP:PROPORTION for an encyclopedic summary of a notable school, and deserves better than just an infobox plus 2 unsourced boilerplate sentences and 15 alumni blurbs. I prefer to add snippets of significant info wherever it's encyclopedically appropriate, though I realize my brief Edit Summaries don't always do justice to the edits in question, and I agree that it's important to exclude nonsense. Thanks very much for your patience & consideration. —173.68.139.31 (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable faculty