Talk:Electropop

message: There are a lot of artists on that list that are merely pop artists who have taken electropop influences and used them in their own work. A number of them shouldn't be included in a list of "notable electropop musicians". Someone needs to clean up that list. I mean Sugababes and Hilary Duff?!! Christ....
An article that talks about a particular genre of music and gives a list of notable musicians from the genre should be mainly listing artists that have had something substantial to contribute to the genre. If there's a wiki article on jazz music should we then include Christina Aquilera as a "notable jazz musician" because her last album had jazz influences? Strictmachineaddict 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Electropop Musicians List

message: Who says that electropop is a subgenre of synthpop? COuldn't it be exactly the opposite?--Doktor Who 12:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  The intro now reads... "first flourished from 1978 to 1981 in both England and Germany. Electropop laid the groundwork for a mass market in chart-oriented synthpop, but later became seen by musicologists as merely a subgenre of synthpop." 9th August 2006.
The only subgenre SynthPop is New Wave and nothing more.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.29 (talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Not true. Synthpop and electropop are sisters that emerged at around the same time. technopop is a subgenre and came a little later. Depeche Mode for example, were never electropop, but they started as synthpop, and were technopop by the time of their third album. Technopop is post-industrial and used updated technologies. 69.165.193.54 (talk) 20:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subgenre? 

message: Everything in this article is wrong. --Dr. Who 01:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simply wrong 

message: I think Robyn should be in the list  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.222.50 (talk) 22:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robyn 

message: I think Lily Allen should be mentioned in the "rise of female eletropop" area. Unlike artists like Hillary Duff, Allen has modified her image to fit the electropop sound from her sophomore album, and has implied that her newer electropop sound will be permanent. In addition, there needs to be a citation for "record labels are trying to give male electropop a 'geeky' image." 68.43.83.93 (talk) 23:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I favor putting a separate sentence  for her and the Yeah Yeah Yeah's as acts known for other styles adding electro pop elements Edkollin (talk) 06:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lily Allen 

message: I think maybe this article should be split into Electropop and Electropop (2000s genre), because this recent electro pop has very little to do with original electropop, and artists such as Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Timbaland, Pitbull are loosely related to Kraftwerk and the type of music they pioneered in the late 70s. Also, I think there's a need for a separate description box for contemporary electro pop, as it has different roots from original electropop and when someone arrives to the artcile to read about contemporary electropop and reads that Techno developed from electropop, he'll get a bit confused. --217.21.43.222 (talk) 07:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a rewriting issue not a split article issue. You need to describe the different and/or additional roots of the contemporary version of the genre. There is a strong relation between LaRoux, Little Boots and 1980's synthpop (to add more confusion we called it technopop more often then synthpop way back when). Is it not the point of Wikipedia to inform readers coming to read about the current version that there was a original version?. Whatever is done, please completely document it from reliable sources; scholarly books, articles from music journalists in non tabloid and music publications etc. If these sources do not describe 1980's electropop as a different genre we can't. Another point; I do understand the Lady Gaga is reviled in many quarters and many people violently disagree with her being described as electropop. This opinion can't inform how this article is revised (Of course reliable sources disagreeing with Lady Gaga being described as an electropop is article worthy). Check New Wave Music to see how a music genre that has gone though multiple changes in definition, and changes in definition that are more radical then electropop is handled for tips on how and how not to proceed. 209.225.141.253 (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got ratio, but aren't contemporary publications doing enough to differentiate electropop and contemporary electropop by claiming Lady Gaga and, for instance, Timbaland's "The Way I Are" are electropop? And the other point is, are there any explicit claims in any sources that the music being described as "electro pop" nowadays is the updated version of original electropop? I mean, if no statements of such kind can be found, then there's a right to make another article about newer electropop. I haven't heard neither LaRoux nor Little Boots, but I am sure connections between 80s new wave/synthpop/electro/electropop and contemporary electropop can be found. As one can find simillar connections between hip hop and funk, but they are still different styles. -- 217.21.43.222 (talk) 10:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the cites we do have in that section they say La Roux, Little Boots are influenced by the 80's sounds but they don't say its another genre. Wikipedia articles are written based what is verifiable not necessarily what is true. Another words if the legitimate sources do not do their jobs we can't do it for them. For this reason it would be against Wikipedia policy to create a 2000's electropop article if no legitimate sources make such a declaration. Edkollin (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Split the article

message: Most genre based music articles have an origin based sub-section, which this article lacks. I suggest we have one here, or at least a paragraph, that can deal more fully and appropriately with the forerunners of the genre, such as "Krautrock" pioneers like Kraftwerk, which is rather lost in the beginning of the History section here.--SabreBD (talk) 09:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: The way the article is written electroclash artists are assumed to be electropop. While they are obviously related in some way is this correct?. Edkollin (talk) 05:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electroclash 

message: Someone keeps saying this genre is mainly popular in the UK. It is not. All the electropop artists come from the UNITED STATES, for example Lady Gaga and Ke$ha. Please fix this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am that "somebody". First of all there are two different issues. One is popularity and one is country of origin. The statements in the article reference popularity.  La Roux this week has just made it to number 71 in US after hitting number 2 in UK last year. She also had another top 20 single in the UK. Lily Allen whose (we will find a reference for her)  album was number 5 in US one week then plummeted. It was number 1 or 2 in UK and stayed in the top 20 for months. Her electropop hit "The Fear" hit number 96 in US and number 1 in UK. Little Boots,  Tinchy Stryder, and JLS  also had top 20 singles in UK in 2009 and not in the US. Everybody I just listed comes from the UK so your statement that "All the electropop artists come from the UNITED STATES" is FLAT WRONG. When it is written that it is particularly HIGH in the UK that is not saying that it is not HIGH elsewhere. The sources in the article specifically mention the UK as a place of high popularity for electropop. You are making a claim in the article and have listed no sources to back it up. You must find reliable sources for your claim. Weird as this might sound even if hypothetically every electropop artist comes from the US and was popular only in the US you would still have to find reliable sources to back that up for it to be acceptable for the article. That is the Wikipedia guidelines. So pleeeese do not change the article again until you find sources. Edkollin (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mainstream Popularity. 

message: I live in the US.
I know what's popular here, considering I AM A TOP 40/MAINSTREAM RADIO DJ IN THE US. 
&
no.
that music is Pop/R&B. 
& all Lady Gaga's singles have reached #1 on the Pop 100 here, whereas in the UK, only 4 of her singles have reached number 1.
Also, our top songs in the US this year have been TiK ToK, for the first THREE MONTHS of the year, followed by the electro song imma be, then Break Your Heart - Taio Cruz, and now Rude Boy - Rihanna. Not to mention, Blah Blah Blah by Ke$ha which peaked at #7 whereas in the UK, it charted only at #11. Then, Your love is my drug, (ke$ha's new shingle) has already gone to number 27 based on radio airplay before it's official release date, due to just airplay, where in the UK it only went to number 63. Also, consider the fact that the two electropop songs "Boom Boom Pow", and I gotta feeling" by the Black eyed peas spent a combined back to back six & a half month run in the US ONLY last year, from the end of march until the middle of October. Then, there is the fact that "3" by Britney Spears debuted at #1 in the US, without having any previous chart position, whereas in the UK, it debuted at only number 7. Lastly, ALL THESE ARTISTS ARE FROM THE US : Ke$ha, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, The Pussycat Dolls, Britney Spears, Owl City, LMFAO, Adam Lambert, Christina Aguilera, Leighton Meester, Heidi Montag, (yes Leighton Meester & Heidi Montag had TONS & TONS OF REQUESTS AND RADIO AIRPLAY IN THE US.), Usher (who has now switched over to electropop, in the US), & Miley Cyrus, who is releasing a techno album in the US in June, and Flo Rida who uses electropop beats in his songs. Now from what I know, NONE of these artists are doing better with any album / single sales in the UK, then they are doing in the US. (except for bad romance by Lady GaGa & telephone.) (Bad Romance - #2 in US) (Telephone - #3)
So, lets at least say it's mainstream popularity is mainly in the US & UK  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am American myself. Since you are a DJ you must have access to charts and playlists you can use them as reliable sources for popularity.  You also must find reliable sources that describe all of these acts you mentioned as electropop. And it should be more then they use synths it has to say electropop.  Again those can be industry publications you might have access to, academic publications (although that would be hard to find), the music publications, the non tabloid press(NY Times, LA Times Associated Press etc). You should not use fan or band websites and you should try and stay away from sources that are just advertisements. Stay clear of social media. Allmusic, Pitchfork and of course Billboard are fine websites. Although it s preferred that there is a hyperlink that is not a requirement so don't let that get in your way. The thing is we can't just print editors opinions no matter as in your case how informed they may be. Editors here have noticed that in the last few years the differences between dance pop and electropop have gotten quite blurred (If you read above you will see to the great dismay of many editors). I would like to add something to the article on this topic but have not found sourcing so if you can find something that would be helpful.  As for the article and box I will demphisize nationality for now. Edkollin (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  You should not have taking out the Citation and Original Research Warnings because there is there still work to do. For Owl City,Lady Gaga and Black Eyed Peas although we established they were electropop earlier by reliable sourcing we do not have sourcing establishing that their success continued in 2010. Billboards website would be useful for establishing this. For Usher we do not have sourcing that he had success in 2010 or that he is electropop. For Ke$ha and Ellie Goulding we do have that sourcing and I used a technique where you can use the same reference twice to tidy it up a bit. It is considered a poor form to delete warnings before the situation that caused the warnings is rectified. My personal view is that your sentence is redundant since the  the previous material is basically saying the same thing. So if I were you I would find the missing sources then delete the sentence. If you add a sentence like that then you have to find a source that claims that electropop has continued into 2010 because of said artists otherwise it is considered a form of Original Research Edkollin (talk) 21:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well Actually... 

message: I also believe that it should be mentioned that it's more sucessfull in the US.
Everyone here likes it, and it pushed R&B/Rap/Rock out of the mainstream in the US ONLY.
Also, he right when he says basicly all the artists who make this genre of music are from the US.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy775433 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement is that "basically all" the electropop artists are Americans is wrong as demonstrated by the article and arrogant as you can get. And "everyone" likes it, really? everyone?, so is the the statement that electropop pushed R&B/rock /rap out the mainstream in the US ONLY. Actually the idea that electropop has pushed out these other genres in America is completely and utterly wrong. I see that Eminem is debuted at number 1 on the Billboard 100 this week. He is that pushed out rap music. Usher is number 2 that is that pushed out R&B. Number 3 is B.o.B. that is RAP+. Number 4. Taio Cruz BRITISH R&B singer featuring Ludacris (hip hop). Number 5, that is B.o.B again. 6. Rihanna dance pop, R&B, electropop whatever. Number 7 is Train, ROCK. 8 Ke$ha, 9. 3OH!3 Featuring Ke$ha both electropop. Number 10 Lady Antebellum: Contemporary Country. Godsmack debuted at number 1 this week on the Billboard 200 album chart another example of that rock music that has been pushed out of the mainstream. AC/DC and (Carole King and James Taylor) are also Billboard 200 top ten, two very different variations of rock music.  Electropop has done very well lately in America on its own and as a influence which is great, but please do some very basic research before making ridicules statements. Edkollin (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  i agree with teachereaseply ^^^ 

message: yea andy and teacherease are.......
yea well as it is one of the biggest genres in America now, its also popular worldwide, not just there
so, edkollin should add something about it being popular worldwide, not just in the UK & the US.
Because, i am from Canada and it's HUGE here too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indieiseasy (talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't depend on other people if you have an idea. Find some reliable sources for these claims and add this information yourself. This sounds like very good addition for the article Edkollin (talk) 20:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  about this.. 

message: The two read almost identical to one another, so merging the two would make logical sense.  ---- 71.254.118.175 (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Synthpop and Electropop articles?

message: The article claims that Pop-Punk is a stylistic origin for electropop which I find dubious since Pop-Punk is a not an electronic genre in anyway. If there is no disagreement about this in the next few days I will delete that claim. Edkollin (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted it. If you find confirmation for the claim please put it back Edkollin (talk) 21:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Punk 

message: I haven't been back here for a while, but the Stylist Orig. box used to have separate lists for the 70s-80s incarnation of Electropop and the current incarnation.  Now it's just one list which seems more oriented on the modern "Electropop".
And as a side note, I'm pretty sure I've seen this "genre" listed in the Wikipedia profile of every commercially successful artist and song from the last 5 years.  Does anyone know where the sudden obsession with this term originated? Theburning25 (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My memory is hazy but the separate origins lasted a brief amount of time. "Reliable sources" never have separated the two. On your side note "reliable sources" are not above in engaging in pack journalism. Edkollin (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the recent change to the 'Stylistic Origins' box? 

message: The will be removed 00:00 +8H GMT due to flooding and confusion with this article. No opposition needed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.32.154 (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: that's not how it works, find citations, or the text will eventually be excised. Best not remove tags
without first addressing the issues highlighted. --Semitransgenic (talk) 12:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the "Citation needed" in every sentences 

message: significant overlap, no citations to support the notion that this is somehow a "genre" distinct from synthpop. See here for possible reason for this confusion, it boils down to a difference in journalistic terminology used in the US at the time, relative to that employed in the UK (the latter being the main exporter of synthpop in the early 80s).
It is exactly the same genre of the music that is being referred to, but if someone can come up with valid citations that support a clear distinction, all the better. --Semitransgenic (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been floated several times. Can we actually do it this time and sort out the confusion. There is good evidence here that they are different terms for the same thing. If there are differences of emphasis we can deal with those in the article.--SabreBD (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree merger is a good idea.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Synthpop is a completely different genre in my opinion. But if you guys want to merge, it's up to you. Sinfully Wickid (talk) 06:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment we have evidence that they are the same, if you have any evidence to the contrary now would be a good time to present it.--SabreBD (talk) 07:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was considered a sub genre in the 1980s. This is 2011 and I have seen no evidence that it is considered distinct now.  Edkollin (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Synthpop has sort of evolved into Electropop, I agree. But Disco has evolved into house. Doesn't mean that they still aren't two genres. Sinfully Wickid (talk) 06:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, please supply evidence. Also it would help if you used colons to indent in a discussion rather than stars which create a bullet point.--SabreBD (talk) 07:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  But house acts late 1980's forward are described as "house" not "disco". "Synthpop" and "Electropop" seemed to be used in 2011 interchangeably.(Electropop used more,"indie dance" occasionally in the U.S.) Don't have a problem with the merged article saying they used to be distinct if reliable sourcing can be found, which will be tough. Edkollin (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I also agree with the merge. --Waldir talk 18:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is consensus, can we go ahead with the merger or are other steps needed? If so, I'm volunteering to write the merged article but I'd like others who know more than me to help me with it and give advice; but I have other projects so I can't do it right away, but soon.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its probably a good idea to wait for 5-7 days as a minimum, since not everyone checks Wikipedia on a daily basis.--SabreBD (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

text: The Lady Gaga Book is a book about her not necessarily about the genre so a complementary source might be needed. The other is a textbook for budding musicians so would carry some weight and yes does mess things up as no source directly says the terms are the same thing. Whatever the future holds the Hollin Jones book does provide a source for many things that have been uncited and adds some electropop groups and electropop influenced groups we don't list so a rewrote parts of the article we do have based on the book. Edkollin (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with Synthpop 

message: Synthpop has another term, motorpop, but it's rarely used, so, it's disregarded usually. 121.54.32.133 (talk) 04:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorpop? 

message: Dance-Pop - Carly Rae Jepsen Katy Perry Demi Lovato Selena Gomez
Synth-Pop - Tegan and Sara Owl City Ellie Goulding Robyn
Electro Pop - Lady Gaga  Britney Spears Charli XCX  Girls Generation  Cascada(circ.2009)
Electroclash - Fischerspooner  Scissor Sisters (early)
Electro House - Martin Garrix Zedd Robin Porter Deadmau5
Electro - Afrika Bambaataa
Electronica - Kraftwerk Boards of Canada Brian Eno
Just so no one merges this page with any of these genres because they are totally different.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu (talk • contribs) 01:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The artists listed here are mainly recent ones, but how are the origins of synthpop different from the origins of electropop? If I understand correctly, electropop is Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Kesha, also Ellie Goulding's "Burn", etc... Where did this sound come from? 2001:1470:FAC2:526:59C7:D1A5:CF3E:455B (talk) 15:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining the Genre 

message: Whoever merged Electropop with Synthpop is completely wrong. The genres are considerably different in their sounds,origins, and production. If anything should be merged with Synthpop it should be New Wave.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu (talk • contribs) 23:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good thing this page was un-merged 

message: The instruments parameter in the infobox should contain the instruments that are verifiably part of the genre. Wikipedia requires all information in the encyclopedia to be verifiable, which means there should be sources discussing how an instrument is part of the genre. If there are no sources, then the parameter should remain blank. 
Furthermore, the instruments parameter has no guideline at :Template:Infobox music genre, which is unfortunate. Such a guideline would tell us whether to put an exhaustive list of every instrument that can be used in electropop, or only the instruments that appear in 100% of electropop, or somewhere in between those two extremes, for instance, an instrument that appears in a majority of the songs in the genre. 
Still, the basic problem is one of finding sources that actually discuss instruments in the genre, not sources that mention instruments in passing—not ones that mention instruments used on a particular song or album. Instead, the sources should be talking about the genre and about typical instruments used in the genre. Binksternet (talk) 04:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Typical instruments" 

message: Why there is a "New section" tab link on the regular article for "Electropop"? It really bugs me at all to have a "New section" link on the regular Wikipedia articles?--67.101.6.238 (talk) 11:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this 25 January 2015 edit added the magic word behavior switch __NEWSECTIONLINK__ to the page. I have no idea why they did that. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Unless it was an unintended side-effect of making an edit using Wikipedia:VisualEditor. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:28, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Hmm, my instincts were right: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#Stop adding various magicwords FORCETOC, NOEDITSECTION, INDEX and NEWSECTIONLINK. – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:39, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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