Talk:Cary Sherman

message: Hello fellow editors, I am just writing this to let you know that my goal in editing this page is to provide a more rounded profile of who Cary Sherman is and what he does. Although I hold a considerable amount of disdain toward the RIAA, I will make sure to remain unbiased and simply present information that will be helpful in creating a more informative article. Please let me know if any of you feel I am pushing the policy limits or doing anything that could be considered unacceptable. Thanks. Gunheim (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: It is not clear that Digital Music News is a reliable source.  It describes itself as The Digital Music News publisher and founder is Paul Resnikoff.  All articles are written by Resnikoff and news analyst Alexandra Osorio. .  That looks like a self-published source.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SPS is for self-published sources (like if Sherman had his own website and that was being used as a source here). Feel free to take it to the reliable sources noticeboard if you'd like though. I've provided a separate ref to back up the specific claim. Gobonobo T C 20:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that Resnikoff writes and publishes this website.  Why is that not a self-published source?  Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I gather that you would consider Digital Music News to be a "personal website" under WP:SPS. I would disagree. Many legitimate news websites have a small staff, but that doesn't mean they are unreliable sources. Gobonobo T C 21:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not asking about news we bsites in general, I'm asking about this one.  As far as I can tell it is owned, written and published by the same person, and hence is self-published in the natural meaning of the phrase.  So is there any reason not to regard it as a personal web site or group blog, and apply WP:SPS, which states "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer."  Cusop Dingle (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I'm concerned about the paragraph Sherman is a strong advocate of SOPA and PIPA. Following the defeat of the bills in January 2012, Sherman penned an op-ed in The New York Times critical of the bills' detractors and their motives.[6] The opinion piece was criticized for factual inaccuracy and demagoguery.[7][8]  It simply quotes an article by Sherman and two responses to it, summarising the two responses as if Wikipedia were endorsing them, and probably violating WP:PRIMARY: "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself".  Is there a reliable secondary source that describes Sherman's position and the reaction to it?  Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While we should find a secondary source for Sherman's piece that describes what it was about, the use of the criticism pieces isn't really primary. The section could be better worded something along the lines, "The opinion piece was discussed by such and such, who said something." That's a direct, proper use of the sources. Because otherwise you would be seeing that all critical press on a subject are primary sources. SilverserenC 20:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure that paragraph belongs in the article at all. Is writing a single NYT op-ed really so important to his life that it needs to be mentioned in a biography? I have my doubts. (If it is included, though, the criticism should be included as well.) Robofish (talk) 13:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As CEO of the RIAA and previously as President, Sherman has written a number of op-eds. This particular op-ed is important as it is a response to the defeat of SOPA/PIPA, a defining moment in his tenure as CEO. The current treatment does not violate WP:PRIMARY, which says that primary sources may be used "to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source." Gobonobo + c 15:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is of NPOV and due weight rather than reliability.  Who says that this is a "defining moment in his tenure", and why is this one op-ed and these two reactions to it more worthy of inclusion than anything else?  If that's one editor's personal opinion, it carries less weight than an assessment of Sherman's career in an independent secondary source.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 17:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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