Talk:Alan Vega

message: I've added :Image:540-02-04suicide07.jpg. If you want to crop it. Be my guest. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: Now to the quotations section. References? Reconcile / move to wikiquote?
Love this one! Wwwhatsup (talk) 11:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From a 1972 review of a gig at the Mercer Arts Ventre in NY in Melody Maker, the performance was described: "It was fascinating . How two people could create such a thick wall of sound and atmosphere was an unbelievable achievement. It roared and groaned and the singer smacked himself on the head with a mic a couple of times and then fell in a heap in a corner and whimpered. What has rock created?".--Michig (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Perhaps worth noting that the same article states that the 1972 gig was billed by the band as "Punk, Funk and Sewer Music by Suicide". Not sure if this predates the "punk music mass" description he used. --Michig (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes we knew about the punk, but the funk is certainly a new development! What are you referencing? Your own tattered MM copy? What date? Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is from George Gimarc's Punk Diary, which quotes from MM with date October 19, 1972 (could either be the publication date or the date of the review). This confirms they were using 'punk' to describe themselves as far back as 1970! See also this. Looks like the 1971 'active since' date in the Suicide article needs revising.--Michig (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah "Junk" - makes a lot more sense! A double-entendre no doubt. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Behavior & Quotations

message: The article currently says that he started the PoLA in 1971 but I am seeing ads in the Village Voice from 1969 , also that he met Rev there in 71 - which is doubtful because, according to the Chronology page, Rev was in the first OK Harris line-up in Nov 1970. Source for  both is the Jewish Chronicle which has to be doubted on dates I think, but we can take it as reliable on faith. Reynolds says there was one show at PoLA first. Reynolds also gives 69 as ArtWorkers Coalition involvementout of which PoLA emerged. I will try to rewrite. Wwwhatsup (talk) 04:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going with From The Archive, since they have the flyers. 2 shows at PoTA then OKH. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1969 -1971 

message: :::Alan Vega has alternately used the name "Alan Suicide" since the beginning of, and throughout, his career. He didn't use the name Vega on a regular basis, if at all, until the late seventies. He only used the name "Nasty Cut" for a brief period, in 1970. I remember him referring to it as being "for a few gigs" though I haven't found it on the web yet. I believe it's from No Compromise. However, there are many other references available on the web: 
:::The archive refers to him as Alan Vega retrospectively, though even it refers to him as Alan Suicide/Vega for a '78 show at Max's. http://www.fromthearchives.com/av_mr/chronology.html. 
:::He used the name Alan Suicide for his "Constant Seige" show in 1975, with a photo identifying him as such: http://www.98bowery.com/punkyears/punk-art-catalogue-section-four.php. 
:::He used the name Alan Suicide for his work on Art-Rite, in 1977. The cover of the edition says "Special Edition 13, by Alan Suicide". Julian Schnabel refers to him as "Alan Suicide alias Alan Vega" on the same page: http://www.limbos.org/suicide/suicideva2.htm. He's also referred to as Alan Suicide in this description of the edition: http://www.arcanabooks.com/INVENTORY_interface/periodicals_page.asp as well as here: http://www.specificobject.com/objects/index.cfm?search_type=advanced&Partists=Alan%20Suicide
:::Here's a page advertising his work in a "Punk Art Exhibition", from 1978: http://www.98bowery.com/punkyears/punk-art-catalogue.php
:::He used the name Alan Suicide for the 8mm film of "Frankie Teardrop", in 1979.
::: He's referred to as "Alan Vega aka Alan Suicide" in "Please Kill Me". (Legs McNeil)
:::In "The Heebie-jeebies at CBGB's, on page 45, it clearly refers to him as Alan Suicide, specifying that " he had already ditched his INITIAL stage name, "Nasty Cut".... http://books.google.com/books?id=Loulao8hWM8C&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=alan+suicide+nasty+cut&source=bl&ots=X47zLMwnvE&sig=sIZCLKZuHzhTekJZsbi-DjRA8oo&hl=en&ei=Is7qS93oF8K78ga8z4WVDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=alan%20suicide%20nasty%20cut&f=false.
:::This page, from the Johnny Thunders Cyber Lounge contains a reference to him by Cliff Hausman, which says "Another frequenter of Max's was Alan Suicide (as I knew him then) or Alan Vega" http://www.thunders.ca/print/ch_1.htm
:::Linda Yablonsky refers to him as Alan Suicide in her article for Art in America, in a section about Max's in the 70s. http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/features/photo-play/print/
:::He continues to use both names, to this day. There are many sources for this. Here are a few:
:::He used Alan Suicide for his "Collision Drive" show, in 2002: http://www.deitch.com/projects/sub.php?projId=6, http://www.slimsmith.com/alanvega/vega2002review.html
:::He used the name Alan Suicide in 2006, for his "American Supreme" show, in 2006: http://www.artnet.com/Artists/LotDetailPage.aspx?lot_id=BCA371B4634C036545A8A28F40DD83E2.
:::Les Presses Du Reel refers to him as Alan Suicide: http://www.lespressesdureel.com/extrait.php?id=1756&menu=3
:::The assertion that he continued using the name "Nasty Cut", while playing with Suicide, is incorrect. The Nasty Cut reference should be modified, to make clear that the name was only used briefly.
::: Jetblack500 (talk) 16:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say this should be summarized as briefly as possible and added to the 'Myth' section. It would appear that 'Alan Suicide' was his chosen nom d'art, and that he felt in both the initial and then later stages of Suicide that he should have an alternative nom de musique, with Vega eventually becoming so well-known that it eclipsed everything. Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alan Suicide is the name he used throughout the seventies, as a member of Suicide. The fact that the name Vega has become well-known now that he's been using it for 30 years isn't really relevant to what name he used in the 70's. Martin Rev also went by the name "Marty Suicide". This sort of thing was very common at the time. Deborah Harry was called "Debbie Blondie", David Johansen was called "David Doll", the Ramones all used the band name as their surnames, etc. Jetblack500 (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Understood. It would be good to mark the earliest well-sourced use of the name Alan Vega. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

text:  By the way I am looking forward to the article once the additional material hinted at in the research above is fleshed out. Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Me too. It certainly took long enough time to compile it. I hope we can back to a more constructive approach to getting this thing written. It's starting to come into shape more now, but it could be greatly expanded. Jetblack500 (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to give you a free hand. I may rewrite occasionally, but take it as suggestive rather than prescriptive. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan Suicide/Vega/Nasty Cut 

message: I strongly recommend that we delete the section entirely. It's no longer needed, now that his age has been firmly established. The unsourced reference to his having claimed to have been "half-Catholic" (there's no such thing as half-Jewish, btw) is oddly placed in the same section. The section itself is poorly conceived, vague and does nothing to educate the reader. In fact, it's confusing. Jetblack500 (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I entirely disagree. For decades these facts were promoted as truth, and the paragraph was derived by consensus. The para is necessary for two reasons, 1) to establish that Vega played with the truth to further his public persona, and 2) to clarify the truth to those who might be confused having read some of the mything sources. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: There's no consensus for removing it.--Michig (talk) 06:04, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point of the 'Myth' section is that, in myriad places, including official looking books, and news articles, people are going to read conflicting information. They are going to turn to wikipedia to find out the truth. Now, if all they find is an unexplained assertion of something else, however well sourced, they will still be confused - as we were ourselves, as the conversation above attests. The myth section - as succinctly as we could do it, after compromise - explains exactly how the conflicting information arose, including Vega's admission that he liked to play with people's perceptions. JetBlack500 is the only person, for what appears to be personal reasons, who has a problem with that, and has already once been blocked for edit warring on just this matter. However, the assertion "perhaps to justify his cross sculptures" is indeed speculation, and I have removed it. Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't think the para can be made any more succinct than it is now, given your insistence on the extra emphasis on the 1938 sources. It doesn't belabor, it is not punitive, it merely explains that some information out there is not accurate, and the "fuel the myth" amply illustrates the reason. Rather than worry about this why don't you get on with the expansion you promised back in May? Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Myth" section

message: okay im sorry for getting off topic but i just have to say, this page seriously needs a new picture. the one in the article is pretty bad... Jpmcruiser (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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message: This article has been assessed as a B class article according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment. Capitalistroadster (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Reclassified as a B class article

message: Due to the death of this person, the BLP status of this article has changed. "This does not mean that unsourced material that would contravene the Biography of Living Persons rules can be added to this article. Capitalistroadster (talk) 04:46, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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