Talk:2008 London mayoral election

message: There are a hole load of external links throughout the article. Should these not be references? Leonini (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: It may be premature to start an article for the 2012 mayoral election, but there are two items of information which relate to it:
*In September 2006 the government rejected calls for the 2012 mayoral election (scheduled for May 2012) to be delayed until after the 2012 Summer Olympics GOL: 2012 Election Date Unchanged
*In November 2006 Ken Livingstone confirmed his intention to seek a fourth term as Mayor of London by announcing his candidature for 2012 Livingstone in the running for four-term marathon
::I don't think that this can be confirmed as it would be likely to change if he loses the 2008 election
213.86.122.5 18:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[London mayoral election, 2012]]

message: User 81.2.97.151 keeps adding unsubstantiated claims about Garry Bushell and deleting citation requests so I propose to delete this paragraph shortly if citations are not provided. All other mayoral candidacies here are backed by third-party citations. AFAIK Garry Bushell has not stated he is standing - indeed his own website  makes no mention of it.
213.86.122.5 13:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: English Democrats

message: I've been searching around for any evidence that Brian Haw is standing for Mayor in 2008 and can't find any. There are two places I've found it cited as a rumour (a blog and Indymedia) but even Brian's own site doesn't carry the news. I think this should be removed until a reputable citation can be provided. (Jim Jay)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.96.168 (talk) 14:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brian Haw

message: I have updated Lindsey German's party according to:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regpoliticalparties.cfm?frmGB=1&frmPartyID=818&frmType=partydetail
--Gordon (talk) 22:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respect/Left List 

message: I'm going to rewrite the One London section a little, for now I'll leave it where it is, bit should it be moved to the bottom of the list?
How is the order decided? I'm happy to leave the top 8 as they are, but should the others be done alphabetically?
--Gordon (talk) 16:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  One London Withdrawal 

message: Having chosen the mayor in the way described, are there any other consequences for the electorate having voted as it did? - Kittybrewster  ☎ 12:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting system

message: I've reordered it so candidates come before those who are not standing. We could probably do with putting the candidates into an order - alphabetical of candidate or party names perhaps?
Is there a legal distinction between 'Withdrawn' and 'did not stand'?Pontificake (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: In its current post-nominations close state it's an absolute mess.  I have given up on trying to fix what is ostensibly vandalism.
For the future, I think a section on current candidates (with or without their selection histories -- might be needed as the campaign develops) and then a separate section on those who attempted a run but didn't, would be best.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Municipalist (talk • contribs) 09:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Urgent need for clean up

message: Is RodCrosby's update to the page a question of semantics?
If there are only two candidates left, one of them is bound to have a majority, if not of the entire vote, of the 2nd round.--Gordon (talk) 11:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The winner will have a majority of the 'remaining' votes, but may not have been backed by the majority of all voters. There will be many voters who decline to use their second preference vote, or whose second preference candidate was eliminated. In 2000 Ken Livingstone finished with the support of 776,427 out of 1,752,303 voters (44.3%). In 2004 he finished with the support of 828,380 out of 1,920,533 voters (43.1%). My preference would be to ditch the last sentence - not sure it really adds anything and may be misleading as to the purpose of that voting system. Pontificake (talk) 16:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I think most election analysts consider the majority as a "majority of all those casting a (valid) ballot in the election." The French two-round system is different in several respects from the London SV system, most noticeably in that it is really two separate elections a fortnight apart. Clearly the French system will (barring a tie) always deliver a majority in the second election, although it may be comprised of different and fewer people than who voted in the first round, perhaps also voting differently than they did first time! So the change I made may not just be a question of semantics, but it is certainly the conventional analysis. RodCrosby (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying. I think that last sentence should be made a little more explicit or removed altogether. After all, there are many things this could allow for but not guarantee. Cheers,--Gordon (talk) 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting System 

message: Would anyone abject to opinion polling?
Other elections such as the US Presidential election (yes I know its bigger/"more important" though) has polling?
Samaster1991 (talk) 21:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the april poll result for batten, there's a question mark on the uk polling report reference given and the original results are given here: http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/pdfs/2008_april_london_mayor_poll.pdf --Gordon (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion Polling 

message: I think that it is worth mentioning that votes will be counted by machine in this election, this is the first major election in the UK to be doing something like this since the may 2007 elections in england and scotland where e-voting and e-counting failed miserably. The Open Rights Group was observing these elections and did not express confidence in the results a fairly damning report was submitted to and discussed in the house of commons on the matter. This is of fairly large concern to many people and i feel is worth mentioning. --Stoman101 (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-counting 

message: This is not an election for the City of London but for London. - Kittybrewster  ☎ 22:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A better image is :Image:Arms_of_the_Greater_London_Council.svg. - Kittybrewster  ☎ 17:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead somebody has now hoisted the Flag of England. Why????? Kittybrewster  ☎ 15:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong flag

message: We have only been given where the votes went 'to' under 2nd preference - not where those votes came 'from' (in terms of 1st preference). Yes, that isn't strictly relevant since all the 'minor' candidates are eliminated in a single stage under the rules but the information is intriguing never-the-less (such as how many 2nd pref votes Boris Johnson collected from the BNP). This correlated data may exist - or it may never have been collated. The 'images' of voting papers were initially retained by the election authority - but have they since been deleted? Also there were a lot of uncounted 'Rejected - 2nd preference' ballots (412,054) whilst there was a similar number of 'No 2nd preference' (407,840) ballots. I take it the latter figure sits entirely within the former figure? If it does, then there is little effect on the result.
:The official results don't go into the kind of detail you're looking for, though it's clear from the totals given that the number of "Boris Johnson 1, Ken Livingstone 2" votes was 168,109, and "Ken Livingstone 1, Boris Johnson 2" 132,815. There are some figures in "Boris vs. Ken" that are in circulation which I have listed on my blog at: http://timrollpickering.blogspot.com/2009/03/boris-didnt-win-because-of-bnp.html
:I haven't seen the book myself but assume that if it has this kind of detail it will probably have as full a set of results as any, including methodology. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Preferences don't tell the whole story 

message: The column listing the number of final votes seems to have a bit of an issue: Only combined totals for the top two candidates were released AFAIK, and the "final" votes for the LibDem and Green candidates are arrived at by simply adding the first and second preferences for those candidates.  This overstates the results compared to what Livingstone and Johnson won, vote-share wise since some of the second preference votes for the LibDems and Greens likely came from either Johnson or Livingstone's supporters (which would, in turn, increase Johnson and Livingstone's share of the vote by removing redundant votes).
In short, the "final vote" numbers for both of those candidates ought to be removed and the vote shares reverted to what they were before, as neither the LibDem nor Green candidates were in the second round of counting.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.72.100.64 (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Final Votes" 

message: The number of spoilt ballot papers should be included (as it was a significant number)
What would have happened if, rather than creating spoilt papers, people had voted for Matt O'Connor, who withdrew? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Electoral Question

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Electoralcommission" :
** Kable - Observers criticise London e-count - 2 July 2008
** Election observers(accessed 23 July 2008)
DumZiBoT (talk) 06:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. References renamed to "Electoralcommission1" and "Electoralcommission2". Road Wizard (talk) 06:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: I suggest reverting to the older image of Johnson :File:Boris_Johnson_(cropped).jpg, as it is a more accurate depiction of what he looked like around the time the election took place. SnoopingAsUsual (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to revert image of Johnson 

message: I've created a mockup for a new version of the opinion poll table (first round only). It's styled similarly to other polling tables, but I've included the party name and the candidate's name within the same cell, similarly to other articles (2023 Paraguayan general election, Opinion polling for the 2022 French presidential election). The idea for this is for it to be used for other candidate based constests (by-elections, mayors, etc.). Any thoughts?
Datesconducted	Pollster     	JohnsonCon	LivingstoneLab	PaddickLib Dems	BerryGreen	BarnbrookBNP	BattenUKIP	Others	Lead
Datesconducted	Pollster     	          	              	               	          	            	          	Others	Lead
              	2008 election	43.2%     	37.0%         	9.8%           	3.2%      	3.2%        	1.2%      	2.4%  	6.2
              	YouGov       	43%       	36%           	13%            	2%        	2%          	1%        	3%    	7
              	YouGov       	46%       	35%           	12%            	2%        	2%          	1%        	2%    	11
              	mruk Cello   	43%       	44%           	9%             	–         	–           	–         	4%    	1
              	Ipsos MORI   	38%       	41%           	12%            	–         	–           	–         	9%    	3
              	YouGov       	44%       	37%           	12%            	3%        	1%          	1%        	2%    	7
              	mruk Cello   	44%       	45%           	9%             	–         	–           	–         	2%    	1
              	YouGov       	45%       	39%           	12%            	2%        	1%          	1%        	0%    	6
              	Ipsos MORI   	46%       	40%           	11%            	2%        	0%          	1%        	0%    	6
              	Ipsos MORI   	40%       	41%           	14%            	0%        	5%          	0%        	0%    	1
              	YouGov       	49%       	36%           	10%            	2%        	1%          	1%        	0%    	13
              	ICM          	42%       	41%           	10%            	4%        	1%          	0%        	2%    	1
              	YouGov       	47%       	37%           	10%            	2%        	1%          	0%        	3%    	10
              	YouGov       	49%       	37%           	10%            	1%        	1%          	0%        	0%    	12
              	YouGov       	44%       	39%           	10%            	1%        	1%          	1%        	2%    	5
              	Ipsos MORI   	38%       	42%           	16%            	2%        	1%          	1%        	0%    	4
              	YouGov       	40%       	44%           	8%             	1%        	1%          	2%        	0%    	4
              	YouGov       	44%       	45%           	7%             	–         	–           	–         	4%    	1
              	YouGov       	39%       	45%           	8%             	–         	–           	–         	8%    	6
              	2004 election	29.1%     	36.8%         	15.3%          	3.1%      	3.1%        	6.2%      	6.4%  	7.7
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thread_title:  Mayoral opinion poll table rework