Talk:Grove City College

message: Edit request:
* Please remove a template and a category that are included at the bottom of the article:
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** Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Presbyterian Church (USA)
* Please add two categories:
** Category:Nondenominational Christian universities and colleges in the United States
** Category:Liberal arts colleges in Pennsylvania
Explanation and references:
* As directly stated in the article's lead and in its infobox, Grove City College was once affiliated with the Presbyterian Church but is no longer. Likewise, it was once a member of the Association of Presbyterian Colleges and Universities but is no longer.
** Grove City College has already been removed from the list of member schools in the article Association of Presbyterian Colleges and Universities.
** Grove City College is no longer listed on the Association of Presbyterian Colleges and Universities' official site.
** Grove City College's official website includes a page about accreditations and affiliations, which omits any mention of any affiliation with the Presbyterian church or any Presbyterian organization.
* While I believe this edit is uncontentious, as a COI editor I am submitting this as an edit request in case other editors have a different assessment of the situation.
Thank you.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed edit: Removal of Prebyterian-related template and category 

message: Spintendo  03:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 21-JAN-2020

message: Background: Grove City College is a liberal arts college in Pennsylvania, United States. The History section of this article (in the the Founding subsection) begins with an explanation that the school's founder is Isaac Ketler and that it received significant financial support from Joseph Newton Pew. The article then makes the claim that each of these men had a son who continued their fathers' influence on the college. The relevant sentence has been (appropriately) flagged with  since 2012. The sentence reads:
::Pew and Ketler's influence continued with their sons, Weir C. Ketler (Grove City president from 1916 to 1956) and John Howard Pew.
To be added: I request the addition of these two citations, to clear up the  flag. I'm including an explanation of each citation:
* An obituary for Weir C. Ketler from the AP that ran in the New York Times verifies the claim that he was the president of Grove City College 1916 to 1956. Since he was college president for 40 years, it seems fair for this sentence to claim that he exerted influence upon the college. Example citation:
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* The New York Times obituary for John Howard Pew establishes that during his life he "had served as president of the board of trustees of Grove City College." It seems reasonable to conclude that in this position he, also, exerted influence upon the college. Example citation:
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Thank you.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 17:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pew and Ketler had sons who, like their fathers, were involved with the college – Weir C. Ketler as president (from 1916 to 1956) and John Howard Pew as president of the board of trustees.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two additional citations for History section 

message: * It's unclear what the already-existing sentence in the article means when it uses the term influence. One person's definition of influence may be different from another. Thus, for the references to be used, the sentence should be paraphrased to state simply what the information in the NYT obits say, per WP:OBVIOUS.
Regards,  Spintendo  21:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pew and Ketler had sons who, like their fathers, were involved with the college – Weir C. Ketler as president (from 1916 to 1956) and John Howard Pew as president of the board of trustees.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 11-FEB-2020

message: * In that case, I propose replacing the sentence in question with this:
::Pew and Ketler had sons who, like their fathers, were involved with the college – Weir C. Ketler as president (from 1916 to 1956) and John Howard Pew as president of the board of trustees.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed paraphrase

message: Spintendo  13:55, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 13-FEB-2020

message: Thank you. I had included the nowiki formatting in an effort to make it easier to highlight, copy, and paste. I have reformatted the request here with no nowiki formatting:
Alumni
* Edward D. Breen: this article
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* Alejandro Chafuen: this article
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* Larry Critchfield: this entry
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* Arthur Schwab: this entry
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* Jim Van Eerden: this article
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* George Clark Southworth: this article
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* Bill Deasy: this article
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* Mose Lantz: this entry
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* Gary Peters: this article
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* David J. Porter: this entry
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* Nicholas Ranjan: this entry
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* Lawrence Reed: this article
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* Sean W. Rowe: this article
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* Spike Shannon: this entry
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* Frank Smith: this entry
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* Frank Soday: this article
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* R. C. Sproul, Jr.: this article
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* Howard Edward Winklevoss, Jr.: this article
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Professors
* T. David Gordon: this article
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* Paul McNulty: this article
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* Carl Trueman: this article
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Past presidents
Note: In addition to the sources listed below, the college's official website includes a succinct timeline of past presidents at http://www.gcc.edu/Home/Our-Story/History/Past-Presidents.
* Isaac Conrad Ketler: page 570 from this book
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* Alexander T. Ormond: in addition the the existing citation, this page
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* Weir Carlyle Ketler: this page
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* John Stanley Harker: this article
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* Charles Sherrard Mackenzie: this article
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* Jerry H. Combee: this article
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* John H. Moore: this article
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* Richard G. Jewell: this article
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-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide the Wikilinks for these notable alumni which contain them. For some reason, their Wikilinks were not carried over to the request. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.  Regards,  Spintendo  21:51, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. I would have included the existing content in my edit request, with my edits added, but I was trying to learn from your instruction on another request that referred to the existing text of an article in the Wikipedia mainspace as "source material" subject to WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE. So that I can make life easier for volunteers in the future, are you saying that it's OK to include the existing content in my edit request if I'm simply adding references, or what's the distinguishing line of when it is and isn't acceptable to include the current content in an edit request? I have been unable to find direction, guidelines, or policy on that point. For what it's worth, I did not understand WP:ALUMNI to be a relevant guideline for this article since that advice is from WikiProject Schools (which covers K-12 schools in America), whereas this article falls under WikiProject Higher Education, which does not provide equivalent guidance in the relevant section of its article guidelines. Thank you again for your review and work on this edit request. -- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 14:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformatted request