Talk:Romanian grammar

message: This article needs filling in a lot of blanks (obviously). Be sure to mention clitic doubling and compare to other Romance languages. --Pablo D. Flores 15:40, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we badly need some Romanian speakers here.  Maybe they're just too poor to waste their time on online encyclopaedias over there.  — Chameleon 13:56, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: i've changed some stuff related to the cases, of which there should be 3, not 5... i'm using the terms 'Direct' for nominative/accusative and 'Indirect' for dative/genitive, as was put on the Latin page... this better reflects the current situation for Romanian cases
Exit 06:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cases 

message: It is often said that the definite article in Romanian is a clitic (an enclitic to be specific). However, I wonder if this is correct, as it seems to me that it behaves more like an affix. I am a native Romanian speaker, but I can't figure this one out. --AdiJapan 05:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reference on this? It would be interesting to mention it in the article. However, most grammarians (at least all sources I've read) agree that the Romanian definite article is a clitic, so we'll have to stick to that. --AdiJapan 03:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. Clitics are known to change according to the head/dependent they refer to; you can see that in the Hindi Genitive clitic, which alternates between "kaa", "ko", "ke" and I think "kii" according to the gender and number of the noun before it. The exact same thing occurs with the Romanian article. That's why it is definitely a clitic. —N-true 12:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definite article in Romanian 

message: There is no mention of cacophony.
Besides, from DEX Online:
:Documentul ăsta e plin de cacofonii!
:Da. Autorul acestui document nu crede în cacofonii. Dacă alăturarea a două cuvinte inofensive îi duce pe unii cu gândul la trivialităţi, este problema lor. De multe ori, construcţiile la care ajungem încercând să evităm o cacofonie zgârie urechea mai rău decât cacofonia însăşi. Alte limbi nu se străduie deloc să le evite şi autorul crede că spaima pe care cacofoniile le provoacă vorbitorilor de limbă română se datorează numai automatismelor învăţate în şcoala primară.
Is this attitude common?
:That is the personal opinion of the person who created the website, and it does not come from the DEX itself. Actually he states somewhere that he is not a linguist, but a programmer. Although I tend to agree that his attitude is reasonable and sane, the majority of native Romanian speakers are aware of cacophonies (in particular those word pairs which by joining create sound sequences such as /kaka/, /kakə/, /kəka/ etc.) and try to avoid them. Romanian linguists, such as George Pruteanu (see here), say that cacophonies should be avoided, especially in formal writing/speeches or poetry, but that we should not get too paranoid about them. — AdiJapan ☎ 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cacophony 

message: At the moment, there is utter nonsense about the Latin pronoun 'ille'.
It goes like this if my brain's right:
sg.
N.  ille, illa, illud
G.  illius, illius, illius
D.  illi, illi, illi
A.  illum, illam, illud
Ab. illo, illa, illo
pl.
N. illi, illae, illa
G. illorum, illarum, illorum
D. illis, illis, illis
A. illos, illas, illa
Ab. illis, illis, illis
As I don't really know what the etymology is, I haven't corrected the article. It's not correct at the moment, this is for sure. 217.50.143.160 21:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a new reference in the article, an article by Maria Aldea. See page 24 there for the etymology. I have seen this table also in other sources. I'm not a specialist either, but my understanding is that the Romanian definite and indefinite articles derive not from classical Latin, but vulgar Latin, which might explain the differences. — AdiJapan ☎ 02:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouns in Latin 

message: The table of pronouns should be expanded to list the feminine forms.  Also, the section on prepositions should be expanded with an explicit list of prepositions that take the genitive — including, specifically, prepositions requiring a feminine genitive form when the object is a pronoun (e.g., împotriva mea).  Richwales 18:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add more on genitive pronouns and prepositions that take the genitive 

message: Attribute: Mi-am luat o fustă mamă-mamă. I bought a cool dress.
I've never heard this expression before in my life. Can someone confirm? 142.167.83.171 (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to disagree. I'm a native speaker from the western part of the country, and "mama-mama", or "au mama", _are_ in use in other regions of the country. Besides, IME, the usage of "mama-mama" in the southern part of the country has declined also, over the last several years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.205.10.144 (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mamă-mamă 

message: seem to be missing entirely  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.42.223 (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interrogative Pronouns 

message: It would probably be simpler to replace "nominative" and "accusative" in discussions about non-pronoun words with "direct case" or "direct", and similarly replace "genitive" and "dative" with "oblique case" or "oblique"... AnonMoos (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: case terminology

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Completati textele. Folosiți articole definite sau nedefinite:
a. În restaurant sunt patru persoane. Este........ bărbat. Bărbat.....
aşteaptă..... prieten. Este .......
femeie. Femei.... stă la masă şi bea..... cafea. Sunt doi tineri. Băiat...... fumează ..... ţigară şi citeşte..... ziar. Fat..... bea...... ceai şi citeşte...... revistă.
b. Sunt într-........ magazin alimentar. Fruct.............sunt
în centru, brânz......,. lapte....... şi
iaurt......sunt în stânga, iar băuturi...... sunt în dreapta. Cumpăr ........ kilogram de banane,
.............litru de lapte şi două sucuri. Sucuri........... sunt în frigider. Aştept la casă, pregătesc
bani...........şi plătesc.
c. Gatesc în fiecare zi acasă. Cumpăr.................... legume şi fructe şi pregătesc.............. supă, .................cartofi și.............desert. Toată famili........ vine acasă la prânz şi mâncăm împreună. 5.32.174.134 (talk) 03:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Completati textele. Folosiți articole definite sau nedefinite: