Talk:Scythia

message: Dbachmann, I already addressed once the comment which was added in the Revision as of 07:02, 6 October 2006 (edit). While the political area of the Scythian dominance may be correct, the statement that this is a predominantly linguistic area is not supported by artifacts with written evidence, and in light that that huge area produced many peoples speaking various and different languages from different families of languages makes this comment offensive to the people who continue living in this territory and continue speaking their different languages, and displays an unbalanced perspective.  Barefact 22:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What matters is what scholars have consistently say and not what one person in some group (I am assuming you are a tatar) might find offensive.  It is about facts and what scholars (not you or I) say DIRECTLY (and not cut and pasting this word and that word from each scholars without looking at the rest and then reaching the wrong conclusion) say.  The linguistic evidence that the original Scythians spoke an eastern Iranian language is today accept by all scholars.  I can bring close to 50, but so far I have brought some of the best known names.  Britannica 2006 also clearly says eastern Iranian people.  I think with websites like [www.turkicworld.org], you can possibly think about speaking about balanced and unbalanced. --alidoostzadeh 15:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Concern is that the area shown on the map had many different languages from different families of languages, only Caucasus had reported to have 360 languages, and the indigenous people that inhabited N.Pontic are thought of as speaking non-Scythian languages before the advance of the Scythians. The comment "Spread of Eastern Iranian languages" on the Scythia Map is false, independently from the language of Scythians. Barefact 08:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually the discussion is about the language of Scythians not all the languages of that area.  Sure there was other languages in the area as well which we know nothing about today since they left no remnants from that time. --alidoostzadeh 17:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Comment "Spread of [[Eastern Iranian languages]]" on the Scythia Map 

message: I challenge this comment as unsourced:
"In ancient Palestine a Scythian and Thracian population inhabited the lands between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee from circa 5th century BC. According to biblical references, the Scythians there took part in many significant events such as the introduction of the Ark into Jerusalem by King David, and conflicts between Romans and Jews."
If there's a reference, great, but I can see none.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.76.62 (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Near Eastern population -- references? 

message: This additional geographic information and valid citation was added to this article: According to authors Samuel Arrowsmith, B Fellowes and Luke Graves Hansard in their 1832 book A Grammar of Ancient Geography, Scythia had two parts, Scythia Intra Imaum and Scythia Extra Imaum both covering a combined area of 1,129,000 mi² or 2,924,096 km².. If you dispute the source please provide other reliable sources that dispute the claim in this book which fulfills the criteria for inclusion here: WP:Verifiability until then please leave the source in place until we reach WP:Consensus on its inclusion or exclusion thank you.--Navops47 (talk) 07:51, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A school textbook from 1832, this book is far too old to be a WP:RS on such a matter. No modern RS attempts to give a precise area to a region that is never precisely defined and varied very considerably over the nearly 1000 years it existed as some sort of polity. The author himself says the northern boundaries of Scythia were undefined, and does not give a date for this supposed area. The division into two parts is unclear - by whom? when? It will not be found as a significant division in more recent sources. Sources like this should not be used. Johnbod (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the division of Scythia and naming of its two divisions it is the work of Ptolemy's in his 2nd century AD book Geographia recreations of his map can be seen on the article page showing where they were, which the author has made a calculation on the source material available to him he was infact Hydrographer  to  William IV and a fellow of the Royal Geographical Society not really somebody who would not have been thought of as a Subject Matter Expert of his time the fact that its a school book is irrelevant I accept the size of Scythia may have varied it certainly was not smaller than the figure stated by the author and what I find particularity astounding is the removal of that source again with talking about first, you have offered no alternative sources disputing the author's data and your assertion to its removal is not based on any evidence you have supplied to the contrary. The generally accepted academic view is that Scythia certainly comprised of the Pontic-Caspian steppe and the Kazakh Steppe at least and its the only printed source I have managed to find quoting actual figure. Re-wording it is fine but point blankly removing again it is also wrong.--Navops47 (talk) 16:46, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. It's a nonsense figure while it has no date attached. Leaving the quality of this source aside, it's unwise to attempt a precise measurement for such a vague and fluid area, which is why you won't find any serious modern source attempting it. It should stay removed and there is no need to replace it. Johnbod (talk) 18:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of Scythia valid citation removal 

message: I don't understand how the following sentence forms an idea:
"After being defeated by the Chinese and driven from the Near East, in the first half of the 6th century BCE, Scythians had to re-conquer lands north of the Black Sea."
Also, this sentence is not cited. Can someone provide a citation and make it clear how China, the Near East and the lands north of the Black Sea are related? --BLebow4500 (talk) 02:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defeated by the Chinese, driven from the Near East and reconquer lands north of the Black Sea? 

message: This page is titled simply 'Scythia'. Per MOS:BOLDTITLE, it should come first and be in bold. Srnec (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected it. Antiquistik (talk) 13:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: The merger proposal has been closed. Present discussions relating to the possible merger of Scythia into Scythians are being held at Talk:Scythians#Merger proposal.
 Antiquistik (talk) 18:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Can somebody more familiar with this subject - and with access to the sources cited - verify the name of the kingdom in question (or might, even if it is low probability, even be two different kingdoms) in first two paragraphs of the section Scythia: 7th Century. I intended to insert a link to the article of the kingdom in question, and can find Urartu but not Uratu, so its probable Uratu is a typo, but I can't reach the source cited to verify that. By my experience from elsewhere there might also be a typo in one of the sources (I often spot such things, investigate, and propose corrections at the source), so I don't want to edit before the situation is clear. If anybody has access to a cited (or another suitable) source, please verify, add link I intended if possible, and correct typo if needed. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uratu or Urartu? 

message: Can anybody not only just provide a source where its just mentioned that scythians are Iranian. But also provide actual evidence for their Iranian origin? Because judging by the works of Alp-Ërin, Herodotus and Öñre Bıña Başı we can very clearly say that the Greeks always just mentioned the Turks as "scythian". HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 02:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof for Scythians being Iranian?