Category talk:Wikipedia disambiguation

message: This category is getting awfully big and takes a very long time to load (it took me 3 tries to defeat the time-out bunny). Would it be a good idea to sub-categorise: for example create :Category:Disambiguation (people)? --Phil | Talk 17:03, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
:Now that the category displays as pages of 200 it's less a problem. Besides it's an advantage of having all disambiguation pages in the category itself and, an attempt of categorizing the people pages (at :Category:Lists of people with the same name) is currently listed on CFD. -- Docu  | Talk 15:18, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Category size

message: You're right on target: disambiguation must by its nature cross concepts. But notice: cross concepts. How is that done? By aligning construction. That is, the meaning of things is a terrible thing to categorize on, for example, subway stations, because you have to know that XYZ could be a subway station. But construction is good because construction is not as far removed from disambiguation, for example, anything with a number in it, n-letter acronyms and so on. Thus in the sub-categories above, those that attempt to classify by concept are not as good as those that attempt to classify by construction. Point is, everyone should ponder what other categories we can create that gear themselves toward construction rather than concept. --Somewherepurple 23:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Think Construction 

message: Why is the category :Category:disambiguation types being moved to this one? I was trying to sort dabs like stubs were sorted. --SuperDude 04:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This was discussed, albeit briefly, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation#New_Category_found:_Disambiguation_Types, and action was not taken until a while after the last comment there (as I recall). Please don't move back to the original organization, but bring up your concerns at the link listed here where the comments appear. The primary issue is one of unnecessary categorization and the primacy of :Category:Disambiguation over all disambiguation types. I don't understand your reference to "sort dabs like stubs", and even if I did I don't agree that the same brush should be used for each of these two page types. I'll reference this thread on the WikiProject section noted here. Courtland 00:01, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parent category changeover 

message: I am baffled by an error. Some 3-letter acronyms are on the disambiguation category list abeit null presence of the category being embedded in the  template and pages with that template embedded. We should maintain the main dab category so they can stay in :Category:Three-letter acronym disambiguations. (unsigned comment from anon) --  20:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand correctly the question, the reason is that template-assigned categorization does not automatically change when the template is edited for all the articles bearing the template. You'll notice that the template-assigned category does change when the article is edited. This is a "feature" of mediawiki that results in the need to do "null edits" on large numbers of articles in some cases when categorizations change. Does that address the confusion? Courtland 23:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then, just press EDIT, and press SAVE, and see what happens, because We are trying to reduce the population of the dab category. (unsigned comment from anon)  00:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That technique suggested by the unsigned comment has worked according to my test results. So will anybody just try it? --SuperDude 01:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is working now, but I recall a time not too long ago that I tried repeatedly to do exactly this without success. Perhaps the fix came with the upgrade of WikiMedia software, or I just happened to hit pockets of bad-time for the wikimedia servers. Courtland 03:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization error 

message: This category is getting outta control! People keep reverting articles to use the generic dab template when I am trying to flush out category specific dabs to spinoff templates. Just think about some uniform aspects of dabs, if they are intercategorized, that would be an appropriate reason to use the generic dab template, otherwise, just use  or other topic-specific templates from Wikipedia:List of disambiguation types. --SuperDude 23:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be the only person who is vocally concerned about the size of this category. If you were to think through the consequences of semantic mixing that you are doing in creation of the various poorly thought out and never discussed categories you might get a clue as to why your actions are meeting with some opposition. Be bold, but don't expect everyone to march behind you. Courtland 03:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATTENTION! 

message: There is currently a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Proposal to modify MoS section 'The disambig notice'. about the future of dab page cats. If you are interested in this topic, please come join that disucssion, to make sure your voice is heard before a decision is made. --RoySmith 16:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please come join the dab page categorization discussion 

message: I put everything that started with 0 through 9 in the numerical category. There is an inconsistency with numbers: under the numbers category, there is a sub category that hold anything that is a letter/number combination. Yet, under some of the A-Z items at the top level, there are things that are letter/number combinations. One of these should go. I think it should be that any letter/number combinations should go into the number subcategory.
- SomewherePurple 21:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved everything that starts with a number 

message: Finally some people other than me have depopulated this category. Please continue making more spinoff templates. --SuperDude 22:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: There are several sub-categories that apparently belong to this master category (namely, "Category:Lists of roads sharing the same title", "Category:Tropical_cyclone_disambiguation" and maybe others), but DO NOT show as sub-categories. I tried to apply null edit to refresh the cache, but to no avail. Anybody has an idea why it happens ? -- Gabr 09:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-categories not properly updated

message: Refer to the CfD discussion @ Category:Signpost articles. Courtland 18:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fate of [[:Category:Signpost articles]] 

message: There is a poll at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) until 12:00 (UTC) January 15, 2005.
:--William Allen Simpson 13:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation of TLA, FLA, 2LA, 3LA, 4LA, 5LA, ''et alia'' poll 

message: There is a poll at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) until 14:00 (UTC) January 15, 2005.
:--William Allen Simpson 14:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation subcategory and template poll 

message: I have seen alot of articles with a header with a style like this:
:X refers to this or that, for other uses, see X (disambiguation)
also;
:"X" redirects here, for other uses, see X (disambiguation)
I would also like to create :Category:Disambiguation pages for redirected article titles as a subcategory for :Category:Secondary disambiguation pages. --Nintendude  userpage | message  20:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Sorry, but the explanation given on :Category:Secondary disambiguation pages is nearly unintelligible, so I'm not entirely certain what the purpose either category would be. Could you perhaps provide links to some specific examples that you have in mind? You seem to want to categorize the disambiguation page rather than the redirect. I'm not sure that is a good idea. I think what *might* be useful is a category similar to :Category:Redirects with possibilities, which is created by adding Template:R with possibilities to the redirect. Perhaps something like :Category:Redirects to primary topics created with Template:R to primary topic. older ≠ wiser 21:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand the necessity of the "secondary disambiguation" category. Any disambiguation page that does not have a primary usage should be named XXX. Any disambiguation page that has a primary usage should be named XXX (disambiguation). Plus, following MOS:DP, the primary meaning should be abundantly clear and does not need to be marked with an asterisk. --Usgnus 22:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there are terms that redirect to a primary topic article with a different title and where there are other possible meanings to the first term (and occasionally additional alternate meanings for the other title as well). For example FBI is a redirect to Federal Bureau of Investigation. For a very long time (I'm not sure when it changed), King was a redirect to Monarch. I think these are the types of cases Nintendude is referring to. I don't know how common they are, but they do exist. older ≠ wiser 23:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to the "secondary disambiguation" category, not the new proposed category in this section. --Usgnus 23:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I count 1732 articles that fall under that definition... where "x (disambiguation)" and "x" is a redirect. On the other hand, that query picks up a lot of silly redirects to the disambig page itself (eg. Children, Background). Anyway, as long as they're not moved out of :Category:Disambiguation, I don't have too much of an opinion, though I don't quite see the use of the new category. --Interiot 18:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ack, there's 382 such silly redirects. --Interiot 18:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secondary disambiguations 

message: I was reading through the Dakota disambiguation page, and found that it had so many entries that I got lost. So I went and boldfaced the key terms of each entry, which (I think) makes navigating through the page much easier. Before I do this to any other page, though, does anyone think I've done something I shouldn't? Is there some written or unwritten law I've violated? Thanks for your input. --Badger151 02:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're asking on the wrong page. Look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) for current recommendations on style and ask on the talk page there if you still have questions. older ≠ wiser 12:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boldface terms? 

message: I just changed/added sortkeys on 5 subcategories to "unhide" them, so they appear at the top of this category (edit: as opposed to appearing on one of the many "next 200" pages). Such "hidden" subcats can be found easily by backing up to the parent category, :Category:Wikipedia administration and "expanding the tree" on this category's entry. - dcljr (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unhidden subcats 

message: Is it possible to add "cleanup" to any dab pages other the straight ones?  I would have thought it would be a good idea to extend cleanup to all dab pages with the results appearing  here. Abtract (talk) 19:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me ask the question another way "Are the subcategories subject to all the same rules (MOS:DAB for example) as the main category?" Abtract (talk) 22:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly. Set index articles (e.g., ships, mountains, lists of human names) have more flexibility. The standard should be defined by the respective project. Other subcategories that are not set indexes should probably use MOSDAB (with common sense). I'm not aware whether there are "cleanup" versions of any of the other specialized disambiguation templates. You can manually add pages to :Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup though. older ≠ wiser 23:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks ... so are they really dab pages then? Abtract (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends how ideologically pure you want to be. IMO, they are more like specialized disambiguation pages than they are like typical articles. older ≠ wiser 00:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: No Way. The accompanying Cat contains (with one exception, involving a Cat-assigning template that i haven't figured out how to unbreak) tools and principles for maintaining Dab pages, while the proposed merge location contains Dab pages. With that exception, none of these pages are Dabs! For instance, WP:MoSDab does not begin 
: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) may refer to:
--Jerzy•t 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The accompanying Cat, while remaining small, has become more diverse. I am putting into effect a subdivision of it, without prejudice to reversion, on the philosophy that the division will be more clear in practice than this proposal.      IMO we've had three subgroups,
# How and when to write a Dab or Dab entry
# Pages that have as an important portion of their content one or more lists of pages that either are Dabs, or link to Dabs, and aid in organizing maintenance work
My opinion is that subgroup 1 is well served by remaining the main population of the Cat, and subgroup 3 by being collected under the T heading. In contrast, subgroup 2 is large and diverse enuf that it may be well served by a separate alpha sequence that clearly separates them from 1 and 3.     There may be a need for other subgroups, but for now my perception is that they are likely to be fewer and more diverse that the first 3; i would add a "Misc Dab-related pages" sub-Cat whenever there is more to go in it than User:Jarry1250/DisambigNav and User:Jarry1250/Introduction, but for the sake of simplicity keep those two with User:Jarry1250/Findings in subgroup2 for now.     I am proceeding by implementing that for a trial, confident that going back to what i found is likely to be less work than this explanation.--Jerzy•t 06:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the Cat