Talk:P. J. Patterson

message: Please discuss the addition of court orders and alleged crimes here.  I have reverted the edits on the basis of WP:BLPCRIME.  The wording of the additions did not appear to comply with those guidelines. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it should include a reference to Patterson denying receiving this money: http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=37069. IMHO it falls within the BLP (possible libel) issue and should be disregarded. The T&C Surpreme Court has no jurisdiction in Jamaica and the entire case hinges on testimony of a convicted fraudster. There have also been libel proceeding initiated regarding this very issue: http://www.clintonlindsay.com/2012/04/29/former-prime-minister-p-j-patterson-to-sue-for-libel/ Karst 16:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Additionally, the IP address that has insisted on the inclusion of this item points to Florida, where the above mentioned libel case is being heard. Karst 16:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits about court order 

message: The TCI Court Order on P.J. Pattersonhttp://www.olintja.com/docs/TCI/TCI-confiscation-order-20120425.PNG relates to the youtube videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ienjuCHxh4g.
The "Hate-mail" as described the Jamaica Observer concerns an emailhttp://www.olintja.com/docs/email-20120325-LloydDAguilar-ResponseTo-DesmondAllen-RespondingTo-PaulAzan.htm with a documenthttp://www.olintja.com/fcpa/12-10113Exhibit_E.aspx attached to it. Up to April, 2013, Vaz never filed the document or the email in Broward Circuit Court. The defamation lawsuithttp://www.olintja.com/docs/Vaz_v_Rowe/Vaz_v_Rowe-filed-20120409.pdf was filed on April 9, 2012.
Up to April 2013, P.J. Patterson never joined the lawsuit. In March thru May 2013, the court case was moved to the Federal Court. The Federal Court's opinion was that there was no defamation and cited Rowe with court cost and attorneys fees for unnecessarily moving the case into Federal Court and remanded the case back to Broward County Circuit Court.
During the time before there was an gag order on both parties(extending to the Jamaica Observer) and Rowe filing a defamation suithttp://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120603/news/news1.html in the Jamaica Supreme Court, The Jamaica Observer produced a number of articles.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Hate-mail-author-unmasked--big-lawsuit-coming
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Hate-mail-lawsuit-causing-chaos--panic--_11208255
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/tools/cartoons/ed-cartoon-jun-07-2012
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Vaz-alleges-David-Rowe-is-the-e-mail-man--files-libel-suit_11295079
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/PEPPER-POT--Tourism-hate-mailer-unmasked_11294922
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Sensational--hate-mail--trial-shaping-up_11304890
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Round-one-of-hate-mail-saga-to-Vaz_11513528
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Pepper-Pot--Hate-mailer-and-co-conspirators-in-a-pickle_12339800
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Former-PM-Patterson-seeking-legal-advice-on-libellous-e-mail_11361956
For serious media sources, see trial exhibits.
http://www.olintja.com/docs/Vaz_v_Rowe/Motion_to_Dismiss_Verified_Complaint_Pages_1-27.pdf
http://www.olintja.com/docs/Vaz_v_Rowe/Motion_to_Dismiss_Verified_Complaint_Pages_27-52.pdf
http://www.olintja.com/docs/extradition/Exhibit_A.png
http://www.olintja.com/docs/extradition/Exhibit_B.png
http://www.olintja.com/docs/extradition/Exhibit_D.png
http://www.olintja.com/docs/extradition/Exhibit_E.png
It is ashame that Karst calls him/herself a historian and cannot provider proper sources. Karst has vandalized P.J. Patterson legacy. Wikipedia editors/administrators continues to abuse their authority as this website which operates within the U.S.
Refer to Bruce Golding and Christopher Coke if you have comprehension problems.
The Queen was bestowed an award and should be duly noted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.49.19 (talk) 15:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What "award" was awarded? Again, refer to WP:BLPCRIME for how Wikipedia deals with crime allegations against living people. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The TCI Court Order and Hate-Mail(Paul Azan) Lawsuit are not related 

message: They continue to delete links to major Jamaican news organizations on the subject. You will notice that Karst linked to a non Jamaica "clintonlindsay" media source.
The Jamaican article that Karst linked to says Patterson solicted the gift. The court order said there was no crime but they must return the gift.
Libel law are very strict in Jamaica compared to the U.S.
Karst comments about David Smith can be considered libel.
One million dollars award was noted by the Jamaican press.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.49.19 (talk) 03:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karst and EvergreenFir continue to vandalize 

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