Talk:Obesity/Archive 4

message: I have pondered this for quite some time. Why is it that the media in the USA and doctors seem to blame obesity for etc etc problems.  As if someone who is over weight is incapable of functioning, however these days it is difficult to say who is over weight when compared to a fashion model. One could say, how is an obese person more of a risk to hire than someone who participates in sexual perversions. The articles does not offer a subjective view of that.
--Margrave1206 23:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American hates obesity!? 

message: I an 28 and have been around 100lbs overweight for 14 years, what is my life expetency? Pear not Apple. How come they don't have more on the this issue? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.25 (talk) 07:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a doctor, but I know that your life expectancy in relation to your underlying obesity would be dependent on any health issues you have currently if any, as well as family history, your diet and exercise would have to be factored in as well. e.g Call my doctors incompetent but I am almost 160lb overweight (BMI of 46.5), and they have pretty much all given me a clean bill of health (with blood tests, blood pressure, etc done for all levels they requested to see) and between them, none of them have directly told me to lose weight. Guess it just depends on what country your in, and which doctor you talk to. - Boochan 16:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: BMI is good for many indicators. As a risk for osteoarthritis, for example, it doesn't really matter where the excess weight really is. For cardiovascular/diabetes risk, however, central obesity has a much stronger association (apple shape). And Boochan is right that obesity does not automatically make one hypertensive etc. His doctors should have a look at the evidence, or perhaps it was their view that no intervention was indicated at the present time. JFW | T@lk 20:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Life Expectancy?

message: Cut from "causes" section:
:* Eating disorders (e.g., binge eating disorder)
Eating too much does not cause "eating too much", any more than jogging causes you to run. --Uncle Ed 21:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Conditions that make you eat too much cause obesity. What is the problem here, guys? Prader-Willi syndrome causes obesity due to hyperphagia. Why did you leave that in? JFW | T@lk 20:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Circular definition

message: I did my best to rearrange and tweak, but the article needs a good working over; maybe a a major rewrite. --Uncle Ed 21:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not need a major rewrite. It needs the present content heavily sourced and optimised. All the viewpoints are already there, the theories about pathogenesis and medical impact. Major rewrites will end up being much more POV and unsourced than whatever we have at present. I've been chipping away at this, but we need someone from the social sciences department to look at the bits that are not really medical (e.g. social acceptance of heaviness). If you could recruit such a person... JFW | T@lk 20:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Call for writers

message: I think we need to have a different pov on obesity, mentioning the Fat acceptance movement, and possibly adding theNational Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA Official Site) as a citation for it. The article barely glosses over obesity as either neutral or even positive in nature, and only in the pop culture, and history sub sections is this given any mention, seemingly against the NPOV policy. There is much more for the history and pop culture sections that the few sentences they have been given thus far, especially in terms of pop culture. The article is simply not ready to be a Featured Article or even a Good article until these sections recieve more attention, and better balance. Zidel333 07:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The NAAFA is still a very small movement that should get no more exposure that it would deserve. Pop culture references are very fluid and do not really strengthen this article encyclopedically - unless these references have been studied, trends have been identified, and patterns have become apparent. JFW | T@lk 20:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add [[Fat acceptance movement]]  

message: I'm wondering if there's an article or section about which countries in the world have the most prevalent rates of obesity.  In any case, it seem that it's most prevalent in the South Pacific; 94% of Nauru citizens are obese.  Esn 02:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regions of most prevalence?

message: I added information about last year CDC paper on protective effect of obesity. What is the consensus about including this in the article?
:Perhaps you could give the reference again. A year is a long time. JFW | T@lk 23:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last year JAMA paper

message: I suggest this article remains sprotected indefinitely; it is too much of a sitting duck for mindless vandalism. JFW | T@lk 08:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep this protected 

message: There should be a paragraph on fatness and law. In countries where conscription or draft exists, it may be a crime for a military age male to be obese, since he is sabotaging the defensive capabilitiy of his country. That is treason. 82.131.210.162 09:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is certainly a legal angle to obesity, but not in the way you are suggesting.  deals with this. Have you got any source at all that supports your assertion? Or is this a novel hypothesis? JFW | T@lk 16:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal issues 

message: Given that the social sciences angle in this article remains a cause for worry, I have asked the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology to have a look at the content. JFW | T@lk 16:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject:Sociology

message: I am a young man named Sue, and I am very fat. Why am I so fat? Fatsuebeefarris 01:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article is quite clear on this. There are biological causes (you may have Prader-Willi syndrome or a craniopharyngeoma) and there are societal causes. The combination makes people more prone to obesity. Johnny Cash was not overweight, incidentally. And trolls get overweight if they're overfed. JFW | 
T@lk 21:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider this: You're alive!  That's what's important.  --Jason Palpatine 14:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Me Please