Talk:Lady of the Lake

message: What's the source for the pronunciation of Nimue? I thought it was Caxton's misreading of Malory's "Nyneve" or "Nyneue", so can it really be said to have a correct pronunciation? — 86.139.103.151 20:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Should we have some mention of the Lady of the Lake (Viviane) in The Mists of Avalon? --kralahome 04:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish, go for it, if she's a major character in that book.--Cuchullain 21:08, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mists

message: I made the new page Numae a redirect to here. The info on it was unsourced, and as far as I could tell, not connected to any pre-modern version of the Lady of the Lake story. I'm thinking it was taken from a modern fantasy novel. If I'm wrong about this, please correct my error, but I've never even heard the name "Numae" used for this character before.--Cúchullain t/c 17:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Numae"

message: --63.145.54.80 19:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avalon High 

message: I remember seeing a trailer where they parody the Lady of the Lake giving Arthur with the sword. Instead of a sword, it's a chainsaw and it's thrown to Leatherface. But I can't remember which movie did it to add it to the article. 66.177.3.102 01:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas Chainsaw Parody 

message: "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." etc. AnonMoos 16:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bloody peasant!
Surely this is a direct reference, in a movie explicitly making fun of the Arthurian legends. And it's one of the more well-know scenes in the movie. It does seem like it should be mentioned in the modern references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.40.141 (talk) 07:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Nothing on Monty Python?

message: Why is this linked with Beeswing, Dumfries and Galloway? It makes no sense since the article is a stub with no mention whatsoever about Lake Arthur or any connection with the Arthurian Legends. Is there a “Lake Arthur”?
Rod Lockwood (talk) 11:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lake Arthur 

message: The initial image in the article is does not represent the Lady of the Lake well.  It just appears to be a hovering angel sort of creature.  I shall replace it with an image which better depicts the Lady of the Lake.
Mythological Scholar (talk) 01:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The article is looking better but I think you trimmed the modern lit section a bit too much, Cúchullain. Some of those works seem notable to me. I added a brief reference to them for now. Would not be opposed to restoring some of them, unless they are considered not notable or in need of citations. For what it's worth, other uses in literature/film/television, etc. seem more significant to the topic than, say, Robert Jordan using the name (but not the character) "Nynaeve" in one of his books. Rajah1 (talk) 16:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that everything needs to be sourced to reliable, third-party secondary sources, and none of that was. This is obviously a problem the whole article faces, of course, not just that one section. What we would need would be a good secondary source on the Lady of the Lake in modern works to establish which are important enough to mention and which aren't. You're right, though, Robert Jordan's use isn't notable.--Cúchullain t/c 16:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern uses

message: Pamela Salem plays Nimue (and later, Morgan leFay) in the Series 3 episode `Excalibur` of the HTV show `Into the Labyrinth`.  The episode portrays her trapping Merlin in a rock to force him to turn over the magical object he has been seeking throughout the series.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.71.57 (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media Update 

message: There is a card named "Lady of the Lake" in the trading card game Yu-Gi-Oh!, based on the Lady of the Lake in the Arthurian legend, and it works as a support card for Noble Knight cards made after the Knights of the Round Table. There is also a "Laval Lady on the Lake", possibly also based on the Arthurian Lady of the Lake.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.62.181.245 (talk) 13:37, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested modern references addition: Yu-Gi-Oh! 

message: The end of the section "In medieval literature", starting with "According to the Vulgate Merlin..." is written in a strange fashion and is not coherent. 202.165.84.94 (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It reads like someone who doesn't speak English very well misquoted Christopher Bruce's Dictionary of Arthurian Names. I fixed the language and added a ref. Cagwinn (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  What does this sentence mean: "The continuation post-vulgata Merlin describes how he killed her lover to be with another man, but then he was beheaded by this man to be a murderess." rowley (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A section doesn't make sense 

message: It's actually your nonsense to,think that you have exclusive right to publish slanted propaganda presenting post-Celtic legacy of the lady of,the lake , the goddess culture of the celts and this prior.  It is also a breach of international law agai st freedom of expression via your censorship and you are also preventing indigenous Celtic people fro fully expressing and publicizing their spiritual,lineage by your conditions and taking over so,d use of the term lady of the lake for your own fantasy fiction publication purposes.  As a lawyer I perceive my right to make a full complaint to Wikipedia and publicize to,other indigenous Celts your act of ignorant power based intros.  You do not hold exclusive legal right to the lady of the lake title I. Public domain.  Bottom line you are breaking g the law.  I have two international law degrees. Vivienne Tobassa (talk) 10:56, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Go troll some place else, please. Cagwinn (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your defamation 

message: Substituted at 21:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: And which is where it should be explained. It also fails the to mention the rivalry/enmity with Morgan (also in Malory), among other things. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article fails to even mention connections to Lancelot in the article body (only in the lead) 

message: It's almost always Nimue elsewehre. Well, I'll just do it. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: it should be nymph, as Limnaea and Limnatis are ephithets of Artemis, from the Peloponnese region, called “lady of the lake”. her “domain” included nymphs and naiads, so it connects Rotanevi (talk) 07:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't "Nymue" be standarized to "Nimue"? 

message: Isn't she already very active as court sorceress for Arthur in the prior works? It's all there is very essay-like and cites no sources, while there's obviously a lot of literature on the subject. I removed it. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Furthermore, Malory starts to break Nimue out of the stereotypical female role in Arthurian literature: instead of serving the plot only as a temptress, Nimue becomes a recognizable force for good." etc. 

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message: I am a little surprised by how few citations there are for this article when there are several references to books and stories. The Lady of the Lake is a well known character, by modern standards, of Arthurian legend. There is religious connotations associated with her, there are literary connotations with her, so there ought to be plenty of sources. Allencr10 (talk) 17:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of References

message: The 1960 Learner & Loewe musical Camelot includes the character Nimue and she even has a song called "Follow Me," performed in Act I.  In the play (and later the film adaptation), Arthur "tells Guinevere the story of how he pulled the sword from the stone and became king, and she finally agrees to marry him. The wizard Merlyn is amused by this development, but his joy turns to sorrow as his memories of the future begin to fade. He realizes that Nimue, a beautiful water nymph, has come to draw him into her cave for an eternal sleep ("Follow Me"). He begs Nimue for answers, as he has forgotten if he has warned Arthur about two important individuals, Lancelot and Mordred. His memories fade permanently, though, and he is led away."<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot_(musical)>  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Volantiad (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Modern Reference

message: This could be a stretch, but could the legend of King Arthur be a reference some of the (at the time) secret advancements in sword technology: -
Merlin = wizard blacksmith?
Arthur drawing the sword from the stone = the secret advance of drawing (smithing) the sword out of steel rather than casting it?
Throwing the sword to the lady of the lake = Quenching a sword to give it optimum strength and flexibility, preventing it breaking?
Tusk Bilasimo (talk) 12:31, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Please note that you are blending different tales written at different times by different people. Robert de Boron invented the "sword in the stone" - but, to be more accurate, it was a sword in an anvil on top of a stone and (according to Robert de Boron), Merlin didn't create this miracle, God did (he says the clergy of the Britons prayed to God on Christmas for him to send the Britons a king, and asked for a sign; the sword in the anvil on the stone then appeared in the churchyard at the break of dawn). The symbology here is very clearly medieval Christian and has nothing to do with sword making techniques. Robert did not write about the Lady of the Lake and she only starts appearing in later stories written by other French authors. Cagwinn (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the legend of King Arthur mirror advancements in sword technology 

message: What is she? A goddess? Witch? Fairy? What? Booger-mike (talk) 00:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 

message: Shouldn't the last novel of the Witcher Saga by Andrzej Sapkowski be mentioned? It is even called "The Lady of the Lake" and the story features a character named Nimue living by a lake, which is obviously a reference to the Arthurian Nimue/Lady of the Lake. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady_of_the_Lake_(Sapkowski_novel)
Eisfuechsin (talk) 22:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need to ask, you know. You could just make the edit. If nobody objects, it won't be reverted. I'm not personally familiar with the Witcher Saga, but that sounds like a reasonable addition to me. Glennglazer (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested modern reference