Talk:Disc golf

message: I recently made a significant change to this article. A number of things were not clear, and there were no external links to necessary organizations such as the PDGA. I've included links to many driving and putting clinics that are very helpful. I also made mention of 11x World Champ Ken Climo. It seems logical to include him. I also answered a number of questions the average beginner has: What discs should I throw? How much does it cost? Where do I go to play? I also clearly defined some essential terminology, rather then embeding it in certain paragraphs. Itemized lists are often easier to follow than piecing together info from place to place. 
I also changed a key heading to "Difference and Similarities to Ball Golf". Explaining the similarities helps to define the sport as well. Ball golf is an easy reference that almost everyone is familiar width. That should be taken advantage of. 
Types of Shots: I limited this to the most commonly used shots. Players should be worried about these shots first and foremost. Other shots are grouped into 'Trick Shots' because they are so very rarely used. I also included places to SEE the grips and there was no mention of the X-Step in the old article, so I provided a link that will explain it. I also included tips about changing discs based on throwing styles. I feel this site should explain the basics and offer a place for advanced players to learn a thing or two as well. I also included an explination of various putting styles. 
I have added a section about manufacturers and types of plastics from Innova and Discraft. These are what people play with. They are more in demand than the other manufacturors, and most likely to be found at a local sporting good stores. People should know about what they are most easily going to find. I also answer the question of how much does it cost. That is so very important. 
I've also added comments about safety I felt were important. 
Equipment: I added a much more detailed explination of discs and what they do. I made things more organized. Again, itemized lists are easier to understand. 
I also added a section about what comprises a 'complete bag'. This seems important as well, as people often get caught up in the vast magnitude of discs that are available. 
24.93.116.94 23:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We appreciate your effort 24.93 but I think we should leave an in-depth discussion of disc flight characteristics to the Flying Disc article, once we get some good sources on the actual science behind their flight.  Sure this article should mention over/understable terminology but anything beyond that (speed, glide, fade, etc.) is probably too much. The ratings that inova advertises are arbitrary and may or may not be based on real science.  There is plenty of how-to style stuff that goes into great depth elsewhere out there on the internet.  I agree with DGR that this article needs to go on a diet. -- Diletante 23:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Large Change

message: The term Disc Golf was coined and used extensively by the Disc Golf Association up into the early 1980's on Disc Golf Association Equipment and Disc Golf Association Promotional material. A person or entity develops ownership rights simply through trademark use. Registration makes protecting trademarks against trademark infringement easier.
Here are two samples of the use of the trademark. Please note on page 2 Notes. "Disc Golf, Disc Pole Hole, Around Nine are trademarks of Disc Golf Association." 
1978 Disc Golf Association catalog
Disc Golf Association Kitty Hawk Driver from the early 1980's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.234.96.194 (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disc Golf trademark 

message: The section on "Hyzer" is inappropriate. Calling it the "most famous" term is unsupportable. The description is clumsy and inaccurate, and not encyclopedic. The term was not "made famous" by one specific player (unless you have a valid citation). It was first used, in print (ca 1975), by Stancil Johnson, and has long been applied to ANY flying disc sport, or even recreational throwing. The term is used in disc golf, but it's not specific to disc golf.
"Hyzer" was Stancil Johnson's term for the measurement of the side-to-side angle of release for a disc with respect to the horizon. "Mung" was his term for the front-to-back angle of release. In personal conversations with him he stated that he invented several terms in his 1975 book A Frisbee Player's Handbook and definitive treatise. He was surprised that “hyzer” was adopted. And while “a hyzer shot” has come to mean any disc thrown with a downward edge opposite the gripping hand, to remain true to Johnson’s definition, one should say “a disc thrown with hyzer.”  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.219.14 (talk) 13:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyzer 

message: I've removed the sections for disc golf manufacturers and disc golf clubs. These two sections contributed very little to the article and were turning into link respositories (which wikipedia is not). The other wikipedia articles on sports don't seem to have this kind of thing (the article on regular golf has no listing of golf club makers or country clubs). This is not the kind of information people would be interested in when they look up disc golf.--Daveswagon 18:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now removed the courses and disc golfers sections as well. Both of these sections contributed little or nothing towards explaining what disc golf itself is and they have the potential to become huge lists (since there are hundreds of courses and players). I think one link to a directory of courses (if such a site exists) and a similar one for notable disc golfers would be much better.--Daveswagon 21:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. A ball golf article would be lacking not to mention Arnold Palmer and Tiger Woods; so should a disc golf article mention the most famed players such as Ken Climo and Barry Schultz. This article is currently lacking for mention of Barry. I beleive Course guides are equally worthwhile to include, and I attribute ball golf's lack of such to a situation of private selling of that information over a public repository.  Including only the PDGA's course guide is unneccessarily restrictive. Though they are definetly the authorative site, there are sections it is lacking which other sites fill, both in information and user-interface. Though I agree, individual course links would be excessive, linking the equivalents to ball golf's Pebble Beach or Augusta would seem reasonable. Certainly more useable and appropriate to any reader than the pop-culture references section. evilmousse 9/26/6
--The PDGA course directory can be found at: <http://www.pdga.com/course/index.php>  It contains a listing of all worldwide courses known to the PDGA, searchable by zip code, city/state, or even a Google Maps option.  It is the most complete available resource for disc golf courses (but it's not perfect!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.179.31 (talk • contribs) 
-Removed more club links from the external links, perhaps someone could start a wiki for club links only? 65.7.226.217 18:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: removed manufacturers and disc golf clubs, courses and disc golfers

message: I've read both 18 and 19 holes as standard for a disc golf course; my understanding is that 19 is more common.User:justfred
Justfred, in fact (at least in the USA) 18 hole courses are overwhelmingly the most common, with 9 hole courses following. Furthermore, more and more 27 hole courses are popping up. The conventions pertaining to course layout and number of holes is typically much looser than in conventional ball golf. 
Oak Grove in Pasadena, CA, the first course and the one I visit the most, has 19 holes.  http://www.ogdgc.org/map.htm Morley Field in San Diego is 19 holes.  http://www.morleyfield.com/course/art007.gif - User:justfred
The truth is that there is no "standard" number of holes for disc golf.  THe PDGA (who is the governing body for disc golf and writes all of the rules) lists no standard or required number of holes, as far as I'm aware.  In tournament play, 18 holes per round is the most common (and is the number used at Winthrop, where the USDGC is held every year), and the most I have played in a tournament round is 24.  I have  question to the PDGA rules committee about any set range of acceptable number of holes for sanctioned tournament play.
18 holes is by far the most common, at least in the States.  Some courses have alternate pin or tee placements.  This can give the appearance of more than 18 holes.  Disc golf historically has mirrored the Professional Golf Association as much as possible.
This discussion is illustrative of how difficult it can be for someone who is not a disc golfer to consider themselves an authority on what is appropriate in an article about disc golf. Where I live in Michigan, I am at this moment within 30 minutes drive of 5 9-hole courses, 3 18-hole courses, and 3 24-hole courses.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splendid (talk • contribs) 16:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: number of holes

message: Is the disc thrown with the hand, or by using some sort of club as in standard golf? Jorge Stolfi 08:22, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: throwing

message: I removed the "Beginner Disc Selection" part of the article as it seems to go beyond the scope of what an encyclopedic article is (and it's written in first person). Below is text I removed. If anyone wants to revise it to be more relevant and reinsert it--be my guest. --Daveswagon 21:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginner Disc Selection

message: I was looking in :Category:Frisbee and was very confused when I saw the title of disc golf clubs, thinking it a little oxymoronic. All the same, it's just a page of external links. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and that page is pretty much just a lot of links without wiki articles. This is not to say that these numerous disc golf clubs are deserving or not deserving of articles on their own. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:External links outline the policies and guidelines about this.heres the 
That being said, what is probably better is a single link to a web directory (DMOZ seems to be the preferred one) category of disc golf clubs. --Christopherlin 04:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disc golf clubs 

message: Someone recently created an article on Suzy Sticks, one of those weird games that disc sport people play. It was recently deleted out of process, which is why it is at deletion review. Currently it redirects to Disc golf. I think that we should have an article for spin-off games associated with Ultimate and other disc sports. Obviously Goaltimate, Disc golf and Ultimate should have separate articles, but there should be a Disc games article for well known games as there is for Scrabble variants. There are many others out there like Hot Box, which probably aren't deserving of their own article, but should be included. This has been cross-posted at Talk:Ultimate (sport), Talk:Disc golf, and Talk:Goaltimate. I would like to know if others tink that there should be a combined article. Please leave comments at User talk:WAvegetarian/Disc games. —WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 16:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read if you have heard of Suzy Sticks or Durango Boot 

message: Folks, if you're one of the people who has been adding link spam to external links section, please stop. If you're not one of these people, please help keep this section spam-free. It makes this page and this sport look like a joke when there's a massive list of external links. The article for regular golf, despite its "popularity", has only five external links.
Hopefully you can all agree that the external links section should not contain:
*Community sites for specific regions - we cannot put a link for every state/city/county's disc golf club, so we won't post any such sites
*Blogs - Unless a blog is exceptionally informative, notable, or popular, it should not be linked here. Disc Golf Review has an Alexa page rank of about 300,000 and DiscGolf.com has one of 500,000. There were a few sites that were posted that were in the 5,000,000 range. This is much too obscure.
* Note that PDGA.com itself has only an Alexa ranking of 164,741 - how high a ranking would you expect other, related sites to have?  Splendid (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kill SPAM

message: I think the rumor that the Chicken Wing has been thrown over 800 feet is totally bogus. I've never heard anyone claiming to be able to throw this shot more than 150 feet, and it seems like it is very unlikely to go any farther. I think this shot should be removed, as it is not common at all, and the 800 feet is totally unverified. Fmalcangi 01:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicken Wing

message: There needs to be a section on tournaments which explains the various tiers, divisions, PDGA rankings and all that stuff.  My knowlege of that topic is a few years out of date. Diletante 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournament Section 

message: Do we have to write "Frisbee®" all the time?   Is Frisbee not good enough? --Aleph-4 17:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  registered trademark 

message: Drug use is illegal in Disc Golf, at least in the tournament rules provided by the PDGA (Professional Disc Golf Association).  I have the 2006 rulebook that I'm referencing. 
Section 804.05 Disqualification and Suspension which lists conditions that can disqualify a player.  Section 4 reads:
Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol.  
:Nodosaurus 23:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: skateboarding maybe? golf does not mention alcohol, Baseball does not mention tobacco.  If we had a culture section and a reliable source for this then it might be worth a mention though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Diletante (talk • contribs) 22:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree.  Drug use has nothing to do with disc golf itself, no more than doping has to do with cycling.  It could be argued that it's a part of the culture more so than other sports, but you'd need an authoritative reference to put this in the article. Hemidemisemiquaver 23:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Use 

message: Is this section necessary?  Also, I removed the comment about player score cards rather than group score cards in tournament play as this is not ubiquitous in the disc golf community.  --FisherME 03:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences with ball golf

message: where is the official website listing of champions and you do not mention scott stokley
who is a reputed champion during some of the listed years but you never mention him ????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.110.2 (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Champion list

message: Alright, I'm all for it because I am a female disc golfer, but the current statement that disc golf is known for its "large female population" is very misleading.  In fact, the PDGA 2006 disc golf demographics state that only 8% of 11302 PDGA members (about 900) are females.  I wouldn't consider that outstanding female participation for a sport... --FisherME 22:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Women in Disc Golf

message: "Understanding the difference between different disc types is crucial to improving. Each type of disc is designed for certain situations. However, it is interesting to note that if thrown correctly, most discs will perform as desired, often mimicking other types of discs. For instance, some putters can be thrown near the distance of a driver, or an understable disc can be thrown at a very sharp angle to achieve the same effect as an overstable disc. The flight patterns of both very under and overstable discs can be manipulated to take very different paths to the same location. In other words, it is important to consider the wind, obstacles, and pin placements when choosing a disc. Also, when learning to play disc golf, focus on learning with two or three discs only. Get comfortable with all types of throws and situations using only those two or three discs. That way it will be easier to identify differences in disc types."
While the information presented here is good, I would like to reword it so as to sound less like unverified advice. I would greatly appreciate if the original author could do this Discgolfrules 16:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal Tone

message: A lot of the information in the article is common knowledge, but I would like to add citations and verification to the information to meet wikipedia's standards. Also, if anyone understands how to use free-use imagery, could they work on getting a picture of just a disc golf disc on the page? Discgolfrules 14:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a number of "Par 3" tournaments that are played on courses with par 4 and par 5 holes.  I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this, but I suspect it's because they are rather "easy" par 4 & 5's.  On one such course, I aced the 10th hole (par 3) then got a double-eagle on the 18th (par 5).  The 18th was downhill, but it isn't that hard to get a close tee shot if can control your disc.  OTOH, most people playing the course aren't that experienced and need the additional shots since their drive goes waayy off course :-).  I didn't play in any tournaments but I know at least one was par 3 all the way (despite being labled par 4 or par 5) and the other (a much more difficult course) used par 3, 4, and two par 5's.  So I guess it boils down to course difficulty and level of competitive play.  Lime in the Coconut 14:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality 

message: Does one company hold such a dominant position in the manufacture of these "disks" as to make it reasonable for every (?) disc mentioned to be made by the same one? This looks a *lot* like advertising. swyves190.21.185.89 (talk) 03:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can safely say that in 8 years of recreational play I've never seen anything but Innova discs.  I found an abandoned one that was much smaller in diameter, but I couldn't find the manufacturer.  Maybe it's a regional thing?  There aren't a lot of places that sell the discs in stores where I live and they are all Innova.  People are just writing about what they know. Lime in the Coconut 14:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads 

message: I just reverted someone changing 'Frolf', the longer resident term here, to 'Folf'.  Checking the page above I didn't see any discussion on this.  Checking the 50th older revision I saw that at one point both 'Frolf' and 'Folf' were mentioned. Which one or both of these is acceptable and why? I've stupidly put this page on my watchlist from some long ago era of vandalism and just want to know what's legit. ;-) Shenme (talk) 05:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frolf and/or Folf 

message: I feel that this section is important to the article, but I would much prefer if we could find cites and sources to verify it. If there is any website with such information, please link to it within this section Discgolfrules (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Understanding Disc Golf Course Components 

message: I reverted this to the original saying it is leagal to add discs to your bag during play.  I can find no rule that says you can't.  If you have a source saying you can please post it.  
Phattd (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:   Adding Discs to Bag  

message: WOW!  The stuff here in this section is way off base on almost everything! Especially the Ed Headrick and Spud Melin stuff.  Neither of them created or started disc golf.  But Ed Hedrick was very instrumental in promoting and popularizing the sport of disc golf after he finally listened to George Sappenfield, who as a paid consultant of Wham-O, tried for a number of years to convince Ed and Wham-O that disc golf would be a great way to promote the Frisbee!  And when Headrick finally did come around to that idea, he resigned From Wham-O and started his own disc golf business, and invented the Chain Pole hole target that is the de-facto standard for putting.  Stancil Jo0hnson's book was a great overall book in many ways, but it sure does lack in historical accuracy!  Anyone who is really interested in an accurate factual history of Frisbee and Disc Golf can go to Amazon.com and search for history of disc golf.  You will find what you want.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimpalmeri (talk • contribs) 18:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: This section needs to be re-written under the title, Rules of Disc Golf, with the comparison to ball golf being subducted into the opening paragraph.  The rules of the game are published and stand alone from the game of ball golf.  The PDGA rulebook could be paraphrased and referenced in a much more concise manner.  As it stands, the title of this section does not accurately reflect the content and, in the context of the rules of the game, could be considered as tendentious (falling putts, 2-meter rule).  The offical rules of the game have been spread thoughout the article, without proper citiation, along with much undocumented colloquial rule variations and slang.  
No, I'm not just criticizing, I'm gearing-up for a big revision.  Stay tuned... Hyzerflip (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rule Differences Between Ball Golf 

message: To refer to the game of Disc Golf as "Frolf" or "Frisbee Golf" is to suggest that the game is played with a Frisbee-type disc, which it is not.  It is also to imply that the game was started by and/or possibly is associated with Wham-O, which it is not.  While the inception of the game did involve early Frisbee style discs, it was not a venture of, nor was it ever directly associated to, the Wham-O corporation.  I had been playing for four years before I ever heard the term, and since there are no manufacturers, especially Wham-o, that make "Frolf" discs, I would hardly consider the term widely used.  If someone still feels it absolutely necessary to include a mention of this alternate term, they need to include a reference to a credible publication.Hyzerflip (talk) 23:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The term frolf is so foreign to most disc golfers, not sure it belongs in the heading. Objectiveap (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once again, '''Frolf''' and '''Frisbee Golf''' 

message: Changed "Freestyle" to "Flying disc freestyle" just to link to another Wiki article Audra454 (talk) 15:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freestyle link 

message: How far should we go with dg content?  There used to be a DG wiki, but seems to have vanished.  We could grab a lot of its content for import to Wikipedia.  I was one of its contributors, I believe I can get my hands on the data.  It may also be available on Wayback.  
:Nodosaurus (talk) 23:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extent of DG content 

message: not sure how wiki works, but find the rules as listed here to be complete gobbledy gook.  Write for beginners! --Barjobo (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it does seem to immediately leap into the technical aspects of the rules. I've put a template on the section for now. --McGeddon (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules 

message: * Much of this article verges on being a how-to for disc golf. 
* Much is also unsourced and reads like a PDGA handout. I assume a lot of us are enthusiasts but we need to keep the tone encyclopedic and not evangelical and we need to provide citations for the content. 
* I think we have an excessive level of the detail about the rules. I think the article would be much improved if it had no more than the basics required for an observer to understand the play or for a new player to enjoy the sport.
Jojalozzo 20:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  General comments: How-to, POV and OR 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article has languished at C quality for a long time, and needs MAJOR revision and rewriting. I have finally created a wikipedia username primarily so that I can support improving this article. There are several indications that participation in disc golf is growing very rapidly, so it becomes even more important to have a high quality article as more people are exposed to the sport. I am new at this, so I very much appreciate the support of experienced Wikipedians! I have begun by deleting the chatty, irrelevant and un-encyclopedic first two paragraphs, replacing them with a simple description of what disc golf actually is.Sharper Pencil (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Large Change in 2017

message: Hi! I am quite surprised when I came to read this article that environmental concerns have not been addressed at all. I know for a fact that at least in my country one course was shut down due the negative impact it had on its surroundings (soil erosion mainly), and there have been quite heated discussions about other courses as well and what damage do flying discs do to trees and more importantly to very young trees and fragile plants, also players stepping on everything in the heat of the game. The disc golf differs from regular golf that the players don't want to play disc golf only in open environment specifically designed for the play, but in the forest or other areas where there are obstacles and it is interesting. But this could do harm to this area. But this is probably a topic that has not been that thoroughly researched at a scientific level.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.253.74.18 (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Environmental concerns

message: I don't see it as a necessary section and I don't think it's that relevant to the article. I'm not perfect but I'm almost (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove "Disc Golf Hall of Fame" section?

message: Hello editors, I believe we need a WikiProject for Disc Golf, which would allow us to better manage the sport. I am willing to help create it, but I would need 5+ other editors to get on board with the idea. Feel free to propose it now, or wait until I get around to doing it. Please discuss it here or on my talk page. Thanks. JackFromReedsburg (talk) 00:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for a Disc Golf WikiProject 

message: The source for this assertion is both biased and at this point outdated. It should be reviewed. 173.88.117.146 (talk) 22:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've removed it. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th fastest growing?