Talk:Apache HTTP Server

message: BY: Michael Quinzi and Michael Schwarzbauer, 11/20/12
The Apache HTTP Server Project is a collaborative software development effort aimed at creating a robust, commercial-grade, featureful, and freely-available source code implementation of an HTTP (Web) server. The project is jointly managed by a group of volunteers located around the world, using the Internet and the Web to communicate, plan, and develop the server and its related documentation. This project is part of the Apache Software Foundation. In addition, hundreds of users have contributed ideas, code, and documentation to the project. This file is intended to briefly describe the history of the Apache HTTP Server and recognize the many contributors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek9923 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested changes from ITEC544 class (USC) 

message: Httpd redirects here. why? -- Tarquin 18:32 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
:On linux systems the http server is known as the http daemon (ie resident program).  It is usually apache.  Hence you would use httpd to start apache, and it is reasonable (though not essential) for that page to redirect here.  Hope that helps. --Mat-C 03:13, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect from Httpd 

message: I have organized the article into simple sections, which I derived entirely from the existing content.  I believe each of these can be modified and expanded.  Specifically, I want to take a crack at adding more information on modules, the ways in which Apache is commonly used (including popular combos like Apache/Tomcat), and a reworking of the history section.  Commentary on these changes is welcome.  Vector4F 03:59, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New format of article 

message: I vaguely remember hearing about some sort of licensing dispute- doesn't OpenBSD maintain its own fork, or something? --129.21.121.38 22:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kinda, they don't call it a fork, or else they'd get in trouble.  It's basically a fork though.  It's got security patches in there, but no feature development beyond the chroot they use.  74.13.60.113 23:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Licensing 

message: Every week or so there is a new featured article on Portal:Free_Software.  The previous feature was OpenBSD.  Just FYI. Gronky 15:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On [[:Portal:Free software]], Apache is now the featured article 

message: A quick check on The Wayback Machine shows that as at 1997-04-15T05:40:31 the Apache website's Info page stated that the name of the project was chosen because "The Apache group was formed around a number of people who provided patch files that had been written for NCSA httpd 1.3. The result after combining them was A PAtCHy server."  I remember reading this on the website earlier as well (around 1995 / 1996).  See http://web.archive.org/web/19970415054031/www.apache.org/info.html.
Doesn't this show that this was more than just "widespread interpretation", but was in fact the official source of the name at the time?
It's getting hard to re-write history what with everything being logged these days :) - Bren Zen
http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/96-04-04 Of course it was the official version.  He came clean in 2007.  Every pre-2000 source agrees that it was "A PAtCHy" server.  If they want to rededicate it that is one thing, but re-writing history is not Wikipedia's role (and generally distasteful).  Primacy matters for sources and the accepted source should be the first published source by the authoritative author: http://web.archive.org/web/19961028122409/www.apache.org/docs/FAQ.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.28.74 (talk) 08:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A 2000 interview by Linux Magazine http://web.archive.org/web/20000711011824/http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-04/behlendorf_02.html quotes Brian Behlendorf as saying: The name literally came out of the blue. I wish I could say that it was something fantastic, but it was out of the blue. I put it on a page and then a few months later when this project started, I pointed people to this page and said: "Hey, what do you think of that idea?" ... Someone said they liked the name and that it was a really good pun. And I was like, "A pun? What do you mean?" He said, "Well, we're building a server out of a bunch of software patches, right? So it's a patchy Web server." I went, "Oh, all right." ... When I thought of the name, no. It just sort of connoted: "Take no prisoners. Be kind of aggressive and kick some ass."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.39.192 (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've integrated this into the article. - furrykef (Talk at me) 11:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've rewritten this somewhat. Hopefully it now presents the historical evolution of the name in a suitably NPOV.119.224.17.35 (talk) 13:49, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the name "Apache" 

message: I found the ciation needed for the big quotation under "License" The quote comes from Free Software Foundation comments page http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html and was posted on the 18th of Feb 2004 according to the Apache Software Foundation http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html If somebody could add the citation and remove the tag that would be great, since I don't know how to do it + don't have the time to figure out at the moment. --Davidkazuhiro 22:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Licensing Quotation 

message: Really though, can it be said that sambar server is the "main competitor" to Apache?  I just noticed this update and from the looks of it, it's been done by someone who's trying to push Sambar.  I didn't want to change the article without checking with some of the fellow contributors. Nageeb 06:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competition 

message: There used to be a kickass page on .htaccess on wikipedia. Now .htaccess redirects to Apache HTTP Server.
While .htaccess might be a topic too technical for an encylopedia, the content that was on the .htaccess page was great and should be stored somewhere - perhaps Wikibooks.
That said, does anyone know what actually happened the the .htaccess page? Was it moved to Wikibooks? Or was it simply deleted? If it was deleted, that would be a real shame - it was a great article.
Thanks guys,
--Kraetos 21:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "new draft" was a copyright violation from Apache's documentation, which is not licensed under the GFDL. I removed it. Not to mention that Apache configuration documentation is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. -- intgr 08:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  .htaccess 

message: This article offers no real information for visitors to understand how the Apache software works and should be used.  It's all very well offering a history article, but visitors wanting to learn how to use the system, even the very basics, will find this article of no use.
Before you say 'why don't I submit something', I have attempted to add additional content, external links and so fourth to valid and useful information, but everything is removed!
It's time to clarify, what is the purpose of this article?  If it is a history of the Apache web server, name it accordingly, if I search for .htaccess, I want to find out how to use .htaccess and what it is for, I do not want to be told the history of the software.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.130.204.202 (talk • contribs).
If your adding things and people are removing them, post here what you want to add, and let it be discussed. Reedy Boy 13:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No real information 

message: "since March 2006 however [Apache] has experienced a steady decline of its market share ... As of October 2007 Apache served 47.73% of all websites,[2] although there has been a steady spike in percentages recently". These don't go together, at least not without more info. 86.132.141.14 (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and think the blow-by-blow commentary on Apache's month-to-month performance is a little out of place—particularly when the fluctuations are just a few percentage points.  As such I modified that part of the paragraph to simply state the current market share percentage.  Nfm (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market share 

message: I've started an article about Mobile Web Server (Symbian OS), an Apache HTTP Server port by Nokia to their Symbian OS S60 mobile software platform. Can someone with Apache Server knowledge, please add some technical details regarding the extent of the port.—IncidentFlux [ TalkBack | Contributions ] 11:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mobile Web Server (Symbian OS) 

message: Could this be backed up with a reference? (Netcraft confirms it!).  "The majority of" is a bit weasel-ey.  Is this sentence even relevant in the context of the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.53.146 (talk) 01:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The majority of web servers using Apache run [Linux] 

message: I want to talk about this article's readability for nontechnical users as this article is still categorized as being. the Features section of the article might be the only thing that is out of reach for normal readers. In addition any other improvements or expansions that could be made to this article with consensus would be great. andyzweb (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Use" and "Performance" sections also have rather high jargon-to-content ratios. I'm worried that too little emphasis is put on Apache's position in the market as well. That said, I don't think that the issue is important enough to warrant a tag at this point. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readability for nontechnical users 

message: I think that maybe will be nice to tell the beginnings of httpd and then apache. From http://httpd.apache.org/ABOUT_APACHE.html maybe we can extract the How Apache Came to Be section. Thanks
Here is the text that I want to add to the article:
In February of 1995, the most popular server software on the Web was the public domain HTTP daemon developed by Rob McCool at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. However, development of that httpd had stalled after Rob left NCSA in mid-1994, and many webmasters had developed their own extensions and bug fixes that were in need of a common distribution. A small group of these webmasters, contacted via private e-mail, gathered together for the purpose of coordinating their changes (in the form of "patches"). Brian Behlendorf and Cliff Skolnick put together a mailing list, shared information space, and logins for the core developers on a machine in the California Bay Area, with bandwidth donated by HotWired. By the end of February, eight core contributors formed the foundation of the original Apache Group.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.5.113.226 (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About apache's origins 

message: The article says:
"In addition the website claims that the name's story resulting from the server being A Patchy server (since it was a conjunction of software patches) is popular but incorrect."
In what dialect of English is the above sentence written?   Toddcs (talk) 19:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Standard English, Oxford Dictionary with some words missing. Won't be cogney. ;-) --88.130.81.134 (talk) 02:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written sentence about name 

message: "Although the main design goal of Apache is not to be the "fastest" web server ...". This is oddly worded. What is the main design goal? Is being the "fastest" web server a secondary design goal or not a goal at all? Nurg (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main design goal  

message: I miss an overview of versions ("version history") in this article. Anyone care to add it? 212.159.240.18 (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. It is sorely missing. For instance, web browsers and Android have an elaborate version history. But this article is missing it. Microsoft's similar software, Internet Information Services, has a short, but sweet description of the various versions. --Mortense (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version history? 

message: I have noticed that wikipedia has some articles on Apache modules and I'm think that some of them may not be non-notable. To test the water about this issue, I have nominated the Apache Rivet article for deletion. Feel free to contribute to the discussion about it here: :Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Apache_Rivet. tommylommykins (talk) 20:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD Headsup: Apache Rivet 

message: After the deletion of Apache Rivet (See above), I have nominated some similar articles for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Globule_(CDN)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommylommykins (talk • contribs) 16:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big AFD headsup! All articles about apache modules, except list of apache modules 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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message: I've updated the percentages given in the lead section. A few points on that:
* The W3Techs source is for the top 10 million sites (combining 10 million from Alexa and 1 million from Tranco, per https://w3techs.com/technologies), so I've opted for the same sort of data from Netcraft: the table in the "Web server developers: Market share of the top million busiest sites" section of their page.
* The W3Techs info is updated (or at least, partly updated, and re-published) daily. Netcraft's isn't, to my knowledge, and so for the W3Techs source I've opted to go with their historical trends table. That way it's April for Netcraft and April 1 for W3Techs, so that we talking about roughly the same thing and aren't affected by which day of the month we decide to update these figures.
* I have no conflict of interest viz. Apache vs. Nginx (vs. any other technology), to my knowledge.
--mathieu ottawa (talk) 04:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market share figures in the lead 

message: Please keep in mind that the Security and Performance section is being edited snd may have stuns of words or sentencea in it Crazykids43 (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: Adding a discussion for section since there doesn't actually seem to be one, despite it being disputed according to the template message. The section also seems inaccurate to me, statements like "the main Apache attack tool is Slowloris" are unsubstantiated, and even if one of the sources did state that, all of them are at least a decade outdated, which seems much too old for something pertaining to security to still be accurate. Slowloris also doesn't seem especially relevant enough to discuss extensively. Davepeta (talk) 22:42, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security section 

message: Are Natives in Tech notable source of criticism? Their Github has less than 30 followers and their webpage has very little information. Sjmantyl (talk) 07:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The coverage by The Register and Ars Technica makes it notable. The present one-sentence paragraph is WP:DUEWEIGHT IMO. Michaelmalak (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natives in Tech criticism?