Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 16

message: Many other WikiProjects use both list and cat (short for category) as parameters in their templates. Might be worth adding them. Just a friendly suggestion.--NPswimdude500 07:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Category, but not list. Lists can be grouped as start, B, A, or even featured just like articles. ---tjstrf talk 07:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Classifying categories and templates is automatic by placing the template on the talk page. An additional parameter isn't needed. --Farix (Talk) 12:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template suggestion

message: Just if someone could clarify this for me because it confuses me.  When we have articles about various anime programs, do we use the names from English dubs, or the original Japanese?  It seems to be inconsistent, specifically I'd noticed, at some point, everything in the Naruto-related articles were switched to the names used in the English dub, while the Dragon Ball-related articles all use the Japanese names for characters and attacks and what have you.  I guess what I'm trying to understand is, under what circumstances do we use the English dub names, and when do we use the Japanese names? Errick 03:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I checked, we used what ever is most common. If that Japanese names are more common we generally use them, but if English are we use them. Though I've seen some articles who switch to English once a dub is released. I think we need to come up with a standard, official English or official Japanese or hell unofficial popular subtitled things. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Sailor Moon wikiproject we use the Japanese names because the English adaptations were sometimes inconsistent and incomplete. We do use the English names when discussing the English-language 'versions' of a character, however. -Malkinann 03:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we also use Japanese at WP:SM because of the "most common" rule Malevious mentions. Most Sailor Moon fans got into the series before it had been dubbed, and of course it isn't even finished now. But yeah, Errick, most people think KareKano instead of "Tales at North Hills High"--on the other hand, most people think Parasyte instead of "Kiseijū". So those are the names we use, and then we set up redirects to point all the other possible titles toward the same article. --Masamage ♫ 04:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia's policy (WP:NAME#Use English words) is to use English names unless the foreign name is more commonly recognized. And of course, I do want correct something Masamage stated. "Most Sailor Moon fans got into the series before it had been dubbed". This is patently false as SM was one of the early "gateway anime" which introduced many people to anime. But it's impossible to do that if it wasn't dubbed. --Farix (Talk) 11:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd say most SM fans saw the dub first. My experience is that, at least online, most people are exposed to the original if they are a fan of the series at ALL (from going to websites, forums, chatrooms, etc), because it was so big when the more hardcore were the main types to even be online/make sites (and thus making a chain reaction of pushing people toward the original, and so on). So SM isn't a really good example... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant was "before 60% of it had been dubbed." I assumed that would be obvious. --Masamage ♫ 15:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I do know I confused a bunch of people once a while back by talking about Mamoru-kun.  Hehe.  But yeah, I can see how it would make sense to use whatever is best known.  It's just hard sometimes to tell what would really be considered the best known in some cases. Errick 23:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Can we please move Kimi ga Nozomu Eien to Rumbling Hearts, then? Snarfies 00:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What you could do is move the video game to Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (video game) while the anime is at "Rumbling Hearts" WhisperToMe 03:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions? 

message: I edited these articles a little bit encyclopedic:
* Momoko Akatsutsumi
* Miyako Goutokuji
* Kaoru Matsubara
Those are the main characters in Demashita! Powerpuff Girls Z, an anime based on The Powerpuff Girls. Technically, they are superheroes, although they resembles magical girls. Now, those articles needs an infobox. However,  can't show their abilties while  can't show the character's portrayer in the broadcast media. No no.  is dedicated for the characters in the Sailor Moon. What should we do? Should we create Infobox magical girl?--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 09:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New infobox? 

message: is adding and deleting InuYasha-related articles from categories in a careless and arbitrary fashion. Please help. JRSpriggs 10:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am NOT vandalizing these articles. I am adding useful information to the articles that others haven't. I'm sure that some of the information I have provided may be deleted but most of what I have put is useful. If I've deleted any categories it is because they already fall under categories WITHIN categories. Tell me exactly what I have done wrong and I will do my best to fix it. Unknown Dragon 11:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that you are not vandalizing these articles. But I feel that, in some cases, you are putting them into categories which reflect attributes which while true are NONESSENTIAL. Rather like putting a picture of two people playing GO (with a tea service in the background) into a category about tea pots. JRSpriggs 11:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaos in the Categories 

message: Since we now have the  keyword/variable, I've modified the animanga infoboxes so that they can use these when categorizing articles. Check :Category:Anime series and :Category:Manga series for a large amount of articles needing proper sortkeys. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sortkeys 

message: How are these usually done? Exukvera‎ tried to split up Bokurano and created List of Bokurano characters. It took TheWizard's reminder for me to remember that you can't just chop an article up according to GFDL (I knew that, but it didn't hit me when I saw it). So how are the character list pages supposed to be created? Is the page started from scratch? Is the history duplicated and then all the non-character information removed? I have no clue, and I don't remember seeing guidelines for it. Also, I think a number of other character lists were started the incorrect way, so it through me off. Leebo T/C 19:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Summary_style#Other_specifics; basically, you need to specify both pages in the edit summary and include  at the top of the split section. --Εξαίρετος (msg) 19:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so basically, it's okay to split them as long as people going to each article can tell that all the information came from the main article? Leebo T/C 19:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically you create the page with a summary like "Creating article with content split from whatever the original article was", though a more strict GFDL reading would require you to also list the names of the major editors. (The listing could also be done on the talk page if the edit summary referred you there...) If you wrote it all yourself though, then you can just paste it wherever without any concerns. --tjstrf talk  03:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of characters pages

message: I started a new article on Lucy (Elfen Lied) the main character from Elfen Lied, and I'm trying to bring it up to standards.  Can anyone please help?--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 22:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick assessment of the page if you're interested. See the talk page. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 19:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; I'm not sure how this wikiproject works so I didn't know how to put the article in the "list of articles needing immediate attention" or whatever.  --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 05:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elfen Lied: Lucy

message: Hi, I'm the Coordinator for WikiProject LGBT studies. WP:LGBT has quite a few anime and manga articles under our banner, at least 100, but given the expertise needed to write articles on the subject, it is unlikely we will ever get any significant work done to them by ourselves. Can I therefore suggest a joint LGBT AaM taskforce (within the jurisdiction and control of both projects, though on your pages) to deal with this? We can offer FA advice, editor support, experienced peer reviewers, among other things - not that I'm suggesting you don't have any of that, but 8 eyeballs are better than 4, no? You've got some really great articles at the moment, and I'm interested in helping you get a few more FAs if I can. Would you be interested? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 03:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall I take that as a no, then? :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joint Taskforce? 

message: I think it would be a great idea for this project to have a magazine archive similar to the CVG Magazine Archive. I am willing to help create the page, although I could not contribute sources, as I do not have a single anime/manga related magazine. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 14:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Start here: User:GunnarRene/Sources. --GunnarRene 18:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created the magazine archive with the sources from User:GunnarRene/Sources. There's a link on the main project page nav. bar. Feel free to look and add anything you have. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 21:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: So, does anyone have any thoughts, comments, or suggestions for the topic pages created so far (Newtype USA and Animage)? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magazine Archive 

message: As a WikiProject that has done a pretty good job at keeping our scope clean, I was wondering if anyone wanted to comment on a discussion I've started about project scopes and banners at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject reform#The scope. -- Ned Scott 00:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject banners and scopes 

message: As of now, the Giant Robo live-action series, also known as Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot is a separate article from the Giant Robo.
As I understand it, Giant Robo (tokusatsu) is one of the Toei Superheroes so it falls under the jurisdiction of WP:TOKU and Giant Robo (OVA) under WP:ANIME. Just letting the respective projects know.--Nohansen 20:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More "scope", really, than "jurisdiction". (^_^) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The separation of Robo and Sokko 

message: Would anyone be interested in participating in an Inuyasha Work Group? --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 21:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inuyasha Work Group 

message: Ôgon Batto is an entry that I originally created to document possibly the earliest Japanese superhero. A couple of months after I created this entry, someone else created a redundant page about the charater using the name Phantoma, which was the name given to the character by a European redubbing company. Now someone has moved all the contents of the Ôgon Batto page into the Phantoma page, and made the Ôgon Batto entry into a redirect. The character originated in Japan, and should have the Japanese name at the top of the article. The character's adventures have never, to my knowledge, been translated into English, so I see no compelling reason why the character's entry in the English language Wikipedia should have the European renaming as the article title. Problem is, now Wikipedia will not let me rename the Phantoma page back to Ôgon Batto because Ôgon Batto allready exists as a redirect page. Could some knowledgeable person please fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drvanthorp (talk • contribs).
:First do WP:HISTMERGE, then ask that person to do a WP:RM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Samuel Curtis (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Histmerge nominated; let's see what happens. Don't freak out; it is really a kind of speedy deletion but all content would be retained. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 11:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to be sure, where did the name "Phantoma" come from? Here it's listed as a U.S. name; also, if there hasn't been any English translation, what do you mean by "European renaming"? French? German? Dutch? Greek? Italian, Spanish and Portuguese versions had different names. --Εξαίρετος (msg) 12:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know here the name Phantoma came from. The guy that created the redundant entry used the name Phantoma. Maybe there is an American dub of the series that I don't know about, but I have not had much luck finding it, or information about it.--Drvanthorp 19:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Name mystery solved. The English dubbed show  was shown in Australia, English dubbed early Anime world capital. The show was titled "Phantoman", but the character was called Phantoma in the dubbed dialog.--Drvanthorp 19:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone please fix this mess 

message: I've been updating the list of Japan-related stubs. Please feel free to add any that I didn't find, and feel free to use that list as a reference if you need to. I think having the list makes it easier than always having to check a particular category to see if there is a related stub type. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubs 

message: Another voice actor has come under a notability question and is now being proposed for deletion - Kevin M. Connolly. While he's not exceptionally notable, he definitely should be enough to have an article. --EmperorBrandon 16:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He voices the main character in Rumbling Hearts; which is itself notable enough for a WP article. That makes him notable. --Masamage ♫ 18:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's had recurring roles on a few major animes and a main role on one that definitely qualifies him as notable. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 19:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice actor notability