Talk:All You Need Is Love (JAMs song)

message: Vinoir, where did you find the new quotations? They are most excellent. --kingboyk 18:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Inside Shag Times, fella.  I trust them 100% because many of them can be found verbatim in the Library of Mu, while others do not have the text available at Mu but do have key quotes that match, for example "a triumph of nowness over mere newness". --Vinoir 18:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: Just 1 thing, can you have the dates all in the same format : MMMMM D, YYYY (or something else).
I love the prose. Lincher 02:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yippee! Wonderful, thanks very much.  I'll make sure the dates are sorted.  --Vinoir 08:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Done.--Vinoir 07:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA as of now

message: Here is another credible, referenced article dating Anderton's remarks to December 1986.  This is a 1989 pamphlet by the Libertarian Alliance.  I'm more than happy to call the date a fact, and have altered the footnote in the article to reflect this.  That said, of course, if either of us gets the opportunity to verify it once and for all, all the better. --Vinoir 20:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's nice to know. I'm sure I have the correct quote and the correct era, but of course me being sure isn't enyclopedic :) It was too old to be on ProQuest and I forgot to visit yer actual library to look it up! --kingboyk 21:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I never managed to get my hands on the IGUN Hansard ref either.  Oh well, "Next time, Gadget"... --Vinoir 22:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anderton quote 

message: I think the intro needs to go on further to talk about the media reaction that the single gathered talking more about its legacy on samplism for its "stunning audio collage". Or something. Fuck you guys are good, the singles articles are amazing. I feel so guilty about all the articles that I have in paper form but never published on the library. If there are any particular articles that you want me to scan, or even better photocopy and post to you! let me know. cheers Drstuey 10:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Stuart! Your library has been more than a help - without it we couldn't have done this work! I think the only articles we'd kill for if you haven't scanned them is any music press coverage of the early releases, and indeed any articles from 1987-1992. We have plenty of K Foundation stuff and - as you know - I can get my hands on newspaper articles from the last few years. Will have a look at your intro suggestion. (Sorry I didn't reply before, only just noticed your post). --kingboyk 14:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I got a bit of a wishlist going, which I've posted on your user talk... material connected with The White Room is particularly important as that article's pathetic at the moment. --kingboyk 19:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

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message: There are various unsourced paragraphs in "Recording and release" and "Composition", and a couple of deadlinks that ought to be addressed.  This is an old FA and not up to current standards; WP:FAR will be the next step. BencherliteTalk 17:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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message: This article was moved from "All You Need Is Love (The JAMs song)" to "All You Need Is Love (the JAMs song)", where "The JAMs" is the name of the band. MOS:THEMUSIC says "the word the should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose".
It goes on to say "However, "the" should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the name of an album or other artwork:", giving A Brand New Day (The Wiz song) as an example (where The Wiz is the name of a musical). Unfortunately, the guide does not give an example for "Song (the Band song)"/"Song (The Band song)".
My interpretation is that the parentheses mean that "The JAMs song" is not continuous prose and that the original name is correct. Looking for precedent, I Googled for "different songs with the same name" and this led me to Hello (disambiguation) (mostly albums but it's the same issue), One (disambiguation) (again, mostly albums), and The End (The Doors song), where in all cases that I can see, the "the" in the band name is capitalised when it is in parentheses before "song", "album" etc. Looking at "Love" I see Love (The Juliana Theory album).
I don't see why this article should be an exception and suspect whoever moved it has made a mistake. However, I am aware that this is a contentious area so am asking for guidance before I hit the "Move" button. I didn't post on the talk page of MOS:THEMUSIC as that appears to be discussion about the page not for seeking assistance. --kingboyk (talk) 07:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PS I have no particular personal preference with regards to the name, I just want the article to be correctly named per policy, especially as it is a Featured Article. --kingboyk (talk) 07:36, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   I suggest discussing this with  who moved the page back in October 2018. Their edit summary claims that they were conforming to the title policy, so perhaps they can point to some clarifying discussion somewhere or else the two of you can decide it really should be moved back. FWIW, I agree with your interpretation, but I'm not claiming any expertise. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 09:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks. Let's see if your ping summons the editor who moved it :) (they've not edited this month, but there's no great rush). In the meantime, I am going to have a think about whether "(JAMs song)" would be acceptable, given that "The JAMs" is already an abbreviation from "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu". --kingboyk (talk) 19:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

text: A related RFC was closed with no consensus. --kingboyk (talk) 05:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

text: After other editors renamed articles about albums by The KLF for disambiguation purposes, we ended up with The Black Room (KLF album) and The White Room (KLF album) (no "the"). I note also that WP:BEATLES have avoided using the "The" in titles, including the Featured Article Something (Beatles song). I will follow this lead, and remove the "The" from this article's title, which not only negates the need for debate about '"the" vs "The" inside parentheses' but also makes the title shorter. "The JAMs" is already a contraction anyway, as their full title is "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu". --kingboyk (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: This older FA has significant amounts of uncited text and no longer meets the FA criteria.  If improvements are not made, a featured article review will probably be necessary. Hog Farm  Talk 06:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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