Talk:Gulag

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message: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote about feral bands of juvenile inmates doing a Three Stooges-style Knockout game against older political inmates, poking at their eyes. Menacing them with "the slingshot" (✌️).
Was this remarkable phenomena documented elsewhere, either other sources for the Soviet cluster, or similar behavior in other Marxist Prisons?
2600:1702:6D1:28B0:E519:291C:BD43:B615 (talk) 01:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solzhenitsyn on juvenile detainees, "the slingshot" 

message: "There were several camps outside the Soviet Union, in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Mongolia, which were under the direct control of the Gulag."
There is no source included. I am from that country and I have never heard about that. I tried find some information about it and nothing found. 46.125.249.118 (talk) 05:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gulag in Czechoslovakia? Source needed 

message: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_survivors#Refugees. That page section contains:
"After the German invasion of the Soviet Union, more than a million Soviet Jews fled eastward into the interior. The Soviet authorities imprisoned many refugees and deportees in the Gulag system in the Urals, Soviet Central Asia or Siberia, where they endured forced labor, extreme conditions, hunger and disease."
with references. If no one objects, I believe it is worth including here as well, especially considering the practice of imprisoning people merely trying to escape the violence of war. Jyg (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing my attention at that. I am currently checking the sources cited in that article. It seems two of them (out of four) do not mention Gulag at all. Paul Siebert (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gulag used to imprison refugees from World War II 

message: The mortality rate table comes from a Russian website, which itself reveals a clear Russian motivation in its texts on the page. There is no further evidence of the mortality rate, which would be the following: 
One-quarter figure in Applebaum: The Gulag, p. 24, pp. 211 and 619. The author's reference for this rate changes: sometimes it is all war years, sometimes the years 1941/1942. One-quarter figure also in Scherbakowa: Prisons and camps, p. 603 (reference: 1942). One-fifth is given in Werth: A brief historical outline of the Gulag, p. 108 (reference: 1942 and 1943) and in Schnell: Gulag als Systemstelle, p. 160 (reference: all war years).
The mortality rate in this article is not sufficiently dealt with historically.
DaMe Lucie (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The table comes official documents, There is nothing wrong with  "a Russian website", which is of an international foundation in charge of rehabilitations. Appelbaum is hardly the final say, and so on. If you have specific suggestions what to add to the text, please state them clearly, and we may discuss them. - Altenmann >talk 20:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table not treated critically. 

message: Disclaimer: I am communist and lived in USSR until 12 years old.
No matter how hard I tried to play devil's advocate against myself, I could not find any major historian scientist's name or authoritative history text among the references. Prove me wrong.  Araz Zeyniyev (talk) 23:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it works other way around in En-wiki: please state which references look suspicious for you and/or suggest better ones. About the statement that you dont see anything major or authoritative, well, this is your opinion, to which, of course, you are entitled, but we don't discuss wikipedians' opinions, only articles and references (because wikipedia is not a forum). - Altenmann >talk 01:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  I cannot see strong references in this article