Talk:Rocinha

message: Hulk Movie was filmed in Tavares Bastos favela, not in Rocinha.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.251.25 (talk) 12:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: Sorry guys, but Rocinha isn´t the biggets favela in Brasil, and it´s about 56.000 hab according to Rio harbour site.
And the pic here isn´t Rocinha.
www.rio.rj.gov.br
thanx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.51.2.53 (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Well, the picture is not showing Rocinha ... it's Vidigal. Just to add.
Seriously, to believe also there was a serious out burst of mad cow disease during the war :D that Rocinha is not a Favela just because it have some kind of basic infra-structure is quite naîve. I lived 14 years in São Conrado (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil), and I passed in front of it every day (and I still do, every December/January when visiting Rio).
Favela doesn't mean literaly Shanty Town or Slum. Is beyond that. The Favelas is a Brazilian fenomenon that one will only be able to understand if he or she understands the social-economics, historical and geographical and cultural aspects of Brazil.
First, although that many houses of Rocinha are indeed made of Bricks and Concrete -- but that's all. Many of these houses have only one room, light bulbs dangling from the walls and very basic sanitation enough for a toilet (yeah, they know what a toilet is), a sink and a shower. What I mean is, the building of the houses are very (AND I REALLY MEAN VERY) basic. Imagine that you are planning to build a house, but you halt the construction before its completion. This is how a most houses in a Favela looks like. Regardless of constrasts such as satelite dishes at the top of houses.
Also, there is the social-economic factor. Favelados are considered (by many) as misfits. And people that live int he favelas might have irregular source of incomes. That is: social instability. So, it doesn't matter if it is a shanty town or a slum. There are other factors to be taken into place.
===Criminal control section plagiarized?===
A good deal of the copy in the Criminal Control section appears on the Two Brothers Foundation website here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.116.214 (talk) 00:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the term favela is a Brazilian issue. Of course you have similar slums/shanty towns in other countries such as Venezuela or Argentina. However, they are called different: Cantegril, Pueblos Jóvenes, etc. --Pinnecco 12:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: A good deal of the copy in the Criminal Control section appears on the Two Brothers Foundation website here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.116.214 (talk) 00:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criminal control section plagiarized?

message: IMHO favelas spread beyond Brazil, into countries like Venezuela (specially Caracas) or Colombia (specially Medellín). BTW, I think part of this discussion should be held in Favela's article. What do you think? --80.102.178.11 14:24, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the term favela is a Brazilian issue. Of course you have similar slums/shanty towns in other countries such as Venezuela or Argentina. However, they are called different: Cantegril, Pueblos Jóvenes, etc. --Pinnecco 12:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Favela - A Brazil question?

message: Does anybody know a source citing the population density of rocinha? Would it qualify for the  district with the highest population density in the world? 137.222.240.8 23:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: There are also a number of community organizations at work in Rocinha, including three neighborhood associations and the Fundação Dois Irmãos, which coexists in the United States as the Two Brothers Foundation, founded by Dr. Paul Sneed, currently of San Diego State University, which sends volunteers into the favela to teach language and cultural classes to both children and adults. Two Brothers Foundation/Club Brazil at the University of Oklahoma is also linked directly to the foundation. This paragraph reads like an ad for the Two Brothers community organization, which is by no means the most important among the scores (hundreds?) of NGOs in Rocinha. I propose either removing the description of Two Brothers (I guess a mention could stay, or maybe the external link at the bottom) or rewriting the paragraph to make it clear that there are many, many other community organizations working in Rocinha, both externally funded (i.e. receiving funds from outside Brazil) and supported by Brazilian institutions or the community itself. 
I welcome comments, but if I don't hear from anyone I'll be editing those bits in the next couple of days. On a separate issue, though, I removed the description of the organization's activities, which read, in part: "[it] sends volunteers into the favela to teach language and cultural classes". The last thing we need is for the Wikipedia article on Rocinha to use that kind of language, which essentially perpetuates all the negative stereotypes of favela life and pretty much makes it sound like the volunteers are venturing into some sort of untamed and dangerous wilderness to interact with the natives there. Twelve6 21:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: - Moved this uncited and dated section to Talk for now.
References situation of 2006.Tagged with "Refimprove" since July 2007. 
Please update this info and add good cites before returning to main article. Thanks. 
Criminal control

Rocinha, like most of Rio’s favelas, is under the control of a criminal faction.  The faction that controls Rocinha, as of late 2006, is the ADA (Amigos dos Amigos).  Typically, Rio’s favelas fall under the control of one of three main factions, the CV (Comando Vermelho), the TC (Terceiro Comando), and the ADA. These groups are famous for providing much needed resources such as support for day care, medicine for the sick, and money for the poor. They also have been known to build asphalt roads, host huge community parties, and even sponsor other recreational spaces and activities, such as soccer pitches.  These groups normally maintain a very high level of control over social behavior, strictly prohibiting street crimes such as rape, muggings, and break-ins within the favela. Even so, Rio’s criminal factions should not be glorified or romanticized as some sort of modern day Robin Hoods.  Besides drug trafficking, such organizations in Rio have historically been involved in arms smuggling, bank robberies, kidnapping, and murder.
Despite the low incidence of street crime in favelas, the frequency of gun battles between police and rival gangs in these communities present real dangers. Police and drug traffickers co-exist in a very complicated balance of power that involves a high level of corruption and cooperation. Even so, police invasions of favelas such as Rocinha are common, and the results can be dramatic and intense large-scale gun battles. The climate of tension between police and the drug traffickers has been especially high since the 2004 invasion of Rocinha by the famous CV gangster Dudu and his men. As a result, Rocinha switched from the CV to the ADA, a loss the CV has never accepted. Despite Dudu’s arrest in late December of 2004, many residents still feel another invasion by the CV is imminent.  This sense of uncertainty became even more real after the death of Rocinha's charismatic ADA leader Bem-Te-Vi in 2005.  Currently, as of October 2006, Rocinha is run by one leader/boss; Nem 
-- Writtenonsand (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: Nasnema,
As I've explained on your talk page, this all too common English usage error, has nothing at all to do with "local dialect."  Given that you are evidently British and have displayed over your history of edits here a very marked preference for your own "local dialect," I refer you to the entry for "enormity" in the highly respected (British) Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
enormity
    1 [mass noun] (the enormity of) the great or extreme scale , seriousness, or extent of something perceived as bad or morally wrong:a thorough search disclosed the full enormity of the crime
    (in neutral use) large size or scale:I began to get a sense of the enormity of the task
    2 a grave crime or sin:the enormities of war
Origin:
late Middle English: via Old French from Latin enormitas, from enormis, from e- (variant of ex-) 'out of' + norma 'pattern, standard'. The word originally meant ‘deviation from legal or moral rectitude’ and ‘transgression’. Current senses have been influenced by  enormous
Usage
Enormity traditionally means‘ the extreme scale or seriousness of something bad or morally wrong’, as in residents of the town were struggling to deal with the enormity of the crime. Today, however , a more neutral sense as a synonym for hugeness or immensity, as in he soon discovered the enormity of the task, is common. Some people regard this use as wrong, arguing that enormity in its original sense meant ‘a crime’ and should therefore continue to be used only of contexts in which a negative moral judgement is implied. Nevertheless, the sense is now broadly accepted in standard English, although it generally relates to something difficult, such as a task, challenge, or achievement
The sentence in the Rocinha namepage that I'd edited did not use "enormity" to characterize "something difficult, such as a task, challenge, or achievement," so its usage to apply to an object -- the favela [slum] -- was incorrect as a matter of even the most "modern" standard English, even in its least prescriptive BRITISH application: 
The Incredible Hulk gives an aerial view of Rocinha, and impressive helicopter footage that gives a fair idea of the enormity of the favela and its complex assortment of seemingly endless chaotic constructions.
 Ravinpa (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Enormity" vs. "Enormousness"