Talk:IWI Tavor

message: Can we get a citation for the info on "Ukrainian licensed Tavors"? How do we know that Ukraine purchased a license, when? - jrochkind  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrochkind (talk • contribs) 14:59, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know a good search engine ?--Le Petit Chat (talk) 15:12, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ukrainian license

message: The TAR-21 has just entered service with the Golani Brigade as well as the Givati Brigade as of August 2008.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.152.16 (talk) 22:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Units in service

message: on fps creator, there is a weaopn called tavor. should that be included? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.81.109.36 (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: addition

message: On the Maximum range it says 3600m, That is more than a standard issue sniper rifle. Can this be changed to the correct range, and/or does anyone know the correct Maximum range? --91.105.29.13 10:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The maximum range is how far the bullet travels if unimpeded, and they often go much, much further than their effective range. The figure is not a mistake. Geoff B 22:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  They ALWAYS go further than their effective range. Otherwise, correct (-: --212.235.85.149 (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Air resistance can not be ignored.  The maximum range of 5.56mm ball is about 3600m.  This is determined by actual testing.  The maximum range of .22LR cartridges is nowhere near "five miles"; it's about 2000m, again from actual testing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.185.105 (talk) 10:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  maximum Range 

message: has the Tavor been issued to Israeli infantry yet? 82.47.137.100 19:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issued? 

message: I saw a video by the Croatian army and they seem to use the Tavor.  Would someone with more expertise look this up, and then add it to the page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.56.20 (talk) 01:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another country using Tavor that is not mentioned 

message: I added info about the upcoming switch to Tavor. PluniAlmoni (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nahal Brigade 

message: The Tavor is also in use with Azerbaijani and Turkish special forces, and there are numerous photos of these troops wielding Tavors in parades or exercises. The "owner" of this page seems to insist on having a "credible source" such as newspaper articles as references. Militaries in Turkey and Azerbaijan do not operate with the levels of transparency that Western populations take for granted, and many weapons purchases are simply never reported in the media. This means there probably will never be a "credible source" (by the criteria used in this article) for verifying Tavor's use in these countries. 
I wonder what could be more credible than actual photos showing the weapon in use by these countries' soldiers??
Azerbaijani special forces with Tavors: http://www.murdoconline.net/2008/azerbaijan_tavor.jpg
Turkish special forces with Tavors: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4382/pic00941lg2.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.111.123 (talk) 04:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Read Wikipedia's verifiability policy or even the note you're shown when you open an edit window. Direct quote: Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You need to provide either a reliable source stating those organizations use the weapon, or else a picture with a caption from a reliable source identifying the organizations that are pictured. ROG5728 (talk) 05:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken. I was able to find a reference to Azerbaijan's Tavor purchase in the monthly bulletin of the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, which in turn refers to a past issue of Jane's Defense Weekly. I added it as a reliable source and added Azerbaijan as a verifiable Tavor user. I hope to find a source for the Turkish purchase, too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.111.123 (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijan and Turkey 

message: The Users section and the Deployment section should be re-arranged. The Deployment section may contain information about deployment in IDF, in this case the Users section should be called Export (without Israel). Flayer (talk) 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. PluniAlmoni (talk) 09:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Flayer (talk) 10:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup / merge 

message: In this article, it states that the Tavor allows for semi-automatic, Burst, and fully automatic fire, with a "safe" position as well, but, according to numerous sources, IWI's website being one of them, the weapon is not configured for "burst fire". I do have to say it is not entirely impossible a version which allows two or three round bursts(most likely three)was or is manufactured in small numbers, but to my knowledge there isn't.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.101.161 (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire selector options 

message: It seems this reference site is no longer available.
^ "IWI Tavor civilian semi-automatic carbine". Canadaammo.com. Retrieved 2010-08-31
Please make note!
Regards,
Ronald L. Hughes
96.19.158.71 (talk) 22:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference site not now available. 

message: The article states "The TAR-21 is waterproof" 
What does that even mean, hahahaha, no conventional rifle or bull-pup rifle is "Water proof" lol, makes no sense at all.
It then goes on to say
The weapon has a built in laser and MARS red dot sight; one of the main advantages of having a built in system is that the weapon does not have to be zeroed after each use
Again this statement doesn't make sense, it suggests that other firearms without such a system need to be re-zeroed after each use, this is entirely false, even with aftermarket sights such as the aimpoint, eotech, or acog, when replaced on the same slot of pcatinny rail, no re zero is necessary.
This section should be edited accordingly96.54.181.40 (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem in design description 

message: Another older bullpup, similar and its not worth mentioning?
Alexmcfire (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because no reliable sources have made that comparison, and we can not make our own. 217.209.73.224 (talk) 03:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That'd be like comparing the G36 to an AR-15 just because they're both conventional; it's not like bullpups are some new revolutionary idea.  The first french ones were made around 1950. AA Quantum (talk) 12:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no comparision with Steyr AUG? 

message: Should we add this since the Pennsylvania State Capitol Police adopted the Tavor SAR? Ominae (talk) 07:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding this for user reference? 

message: I added this external link
* DECIDEDLY DIFFERENT: THE IWI TAVOR, American Rifleman, National Rifle Association, USA
but was reverted with vague reference to WP:EL. What is wrong with this link? It is informative and contain technical information about the Tavor, including shooting range tests. MathKnight  21:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was no explanation given what is wrong with this link, I re-add it to the page. MathKnight  20:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link to American Rifleman 

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message: The MTAR-21 and X95 are not the same weapon. This is an MTAR-21 and this is an (original) X95. The X95 is a development of the MTAR, and has a whole hand trigger guard, vs the single finger guard of the MTAR.
Somewhat unhelpfully when trying to logging the history of variants, IWI currently produces the X95 in the following forms: this one has a whole hand trigger guard and different forearm to the MTAR and original X95; this is an X95 with MTAR-type (single finger) trigger guard and new forearm; and this is an X95 SMG, which still uses the MTAR/original X95 forarm and X95 guard (also available with MTAR-21 trigger guard,, and may be available with the other forearm?).
To put it simply, there are two forearm styles and two trigger guard styles, and if it has a round forearms and single finger guard, it should be an MTAR-21; anything else is an X95.
I now see it's not as clear cut as I thought it was when I started writing this! RadiculousJ (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The X-95 was called the MTAR-21 until well into 2011. They are the same variant. The X-95 itself didn't really need a separate article, it was content-forking at the time. The problem is that nobody weighed into the discussion about the content fork.Avaya1 (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: MTAR-21 and X95

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message: The second paragraph in this section contains one statement referring to "less reliable short stroke piston systems" which is an unsubstantiated blanket statement without citation and should be removed, and reference to the M1 Garand's reliability in adverse conditions (implied to be due to said long-stroke gas piston, already a dubious claim) is demonstrably false and should also be removed.2601:1C2:5203:14F1:F91B:3182:B66C:AF85 (talk) 08:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1.1.1 long stroke piston 

message: Dang it BilCat.  So, IWI lists both the TAR-21/SAR and X95s as "Tavor"s (Tavor TAR-21, Tavor X95), and the X95 page is listed as "Tavor X95", so naming this page simply "IWI Tavor" is incorrect.  Does anyone object? AA Quantum (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is this page has been moved several times, along with other IWI weapons, without discussion, every time a relatively new user decides the current name is incorrect. Just get a consensus before you move the page. - BilCat (talk) 01:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the problem with the Tavor pages; people rarely use the talk pages. AA Quantum (talk) 13:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

text: The X95 isn't a variant of the Tavor, it is a Tavor.  "Tavor" is a family of rifles, kind of like the "Kalashnikov" family of rifles; you'd call all Kalashnikovs (AK-47s or derivatives highly similar to it) "AKs".  The TAR-21 has it's own variants, just as the X95 does.  There is a new Tavor that's not for sale yet called the Tavor 7; it's in 7.62x51mm.AA Quantum (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  They're called Tavors in Israel and in the IDF. All Hebrew sources call them Tavors or Micro-Tavors. The X-95 and the MTAR-21 and Micro-Tavor are all the same rifle - X-95 is simply the international marketing name. In all IDF and Hebrew reports, it's called a Micro-Tavor. Avaya1 (talk) 01:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of those points are valid, except the MTAR-21 part.  This is a picture of an MTAR-21, coming from a very incorrect article: http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=793&group_id=5&country_id=85&lang=0  It was a prototype that was created in the process of making the X95. AA Quantum (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move page? 

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message: The X95 and the MTAR-21 are two different firearms; The MTAR-21 is a variant of the TAR-21.  All of them are part of the Tavor rifle family.
Now let us discuss whether or not this is true.  Keep it civil. AA Quantum (talk) 03:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The MTAR-21 is the same as the X-95, as mentioned in all reliable sources, and in Hebrew sources - simply an older and newer name.Avaya1 (talk) 05:24, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a picture of an MTAR-21, a prototype variant created in the early stages of developing the X95, based on the CTAR-21: http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=793&group_id=5&country_id=85&lang=0.  The article is very incorrect, but I couldn't find the original article I got the info from. AA Quantum (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: MTAR-21 stands for Micro-Tavor (21st century), which is the same as x95.--יניב הורון (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you Israeli? Can you confirm that most sources in Hebrew call it an MTAR-21?  And also, just for information's sake, what is this then: http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=793&group_id=5&country_id=85&lang=0. AA Quantum (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Also, this is the English page, not the Israeli one. AA Quantum (talk) 02:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  X95 / MTAR / MTAR-21 Difference Discussion 

message: There are now 3 rifles separately listed by IWI, all as Tavors (TAR-21 and it's variants, X95 (MTAR-21), and the new Tavor 7).  For the sake of clarity, and the fact that there are already separate pages for them (some people consider these "content forks", I personally don't, as they are listed separately by IWI and - I believe - have enough differences), I propose moving this page to "IWI Tavor TAR-21", as the TAR-21 is the base variant of the rifle that this article mostly talks about, and is what it is called by IWI.
Furthermore, the other articles' (IWI Tavor X95 and IWI Tavor 7) names both start with the manufacturer (IWI), then list the rifle family (Tavor), then the model (X95, 7), and it seems odd to me for this one not to list it. AA Quantum (talk) 23:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to move page to IWI Tavor TAR-21 

message: Regarding the edit I have made which has been in contention, each entry into a user section must be attributed to a reliable source, as documented on the invisible comment here, and on most other firearm articles, which is seconded by WP:Firearms: "When listing users of a certain weapon, only include users that have a citation to go with them. This citation must specifically say that the force, unit, or notable individual in question uses the weapon. That is to say a photograph of someone holding what appears to be the weapon does not qualify as a reference." This is my rationale for deleting the unsourced users, and the references on Colombia and the Nigerian Navy, as they consisted only of images, which are considered inadequate. Loafiewa (talk) 21:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  BRD 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below; splitting is an editorial decision and is outside the scope of this close.  Dekimasuよ! 04:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: IWI Tavor →  – Name from lead and infobox. Someone shortened (original research) it to "IWI Tavor" for no reason because lead and infobox still has full name and there is no any explanation if "IWI Tavor" is actually any official shortened name or whatever. Eurohunter (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Firearms has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 April 2022