Talk:Swords, Dublin

message: Please note also: SWORDS (Special Weapons Observation Reconnaissance Detection System)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWORDS
Don't worry, 2 links are in english language --217.64.171.188 18:02, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: With relation to the Irish language name for Swords, I would say it is "Sórd Choilm Cille", meaning "the sward of St. Collumcille".  I'll leave it for a while and see if anyone has another opinion. Bolak77 16:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Language Name

message: This article currently resides at Swords, Dublin, but as is clear from the article text itself, it should more properly be at Swords, Fingal.  I propose moving it there. Comments? Bastun 17:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there's no County Dublin.  Read Fingal and it's talk page for verification. Bastun 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this issue would be best discussed on the talk page of WP:IMOS as though your technically quite correct it could be controversial and would need endorsement and acceptance by Irish editors if to be implemented in a meaningful way. Djegan 00:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yep.  Did a search for ", Dublin" earlier and there's actually quite a lot of towns and suburbs listed as "Wherever, Dublin" that should more properly be under Fingal, South Dublin or Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown.  Proposing moves one by one would be slow and, as you say, will probably be controversial.  Will post about it on WP:IMOS tomorrow when I'm more awake. Bastun 01:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where is the discussion agreeing to the abrupt, and apparently undiscussed, move of Swords, Dublin (meaningful to most people) to Swords, Fingal (not meaningful). To most, the 26 traditional counties are the only ones that matter, and Fingal / South Dublin / etc. are no more significant than the patchwork they made of the Six Counties, or back in 1972/1974 of the whole UK system! Fingal County Council is simply one of three administrative authorities in the County of Dublin, and that will be so for a long time, regardless of legislation (some people mistake law for reality but WP's collective wisdom should be able to do better). 83.250.96.225 (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here. Djegan (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! But that discussion concluded, noting especially WP:COMMONNAME, that the designation of "Swords, Fingal" should NOT be implemented as primary, but only as a redirect to Swords, Dublin, so let's do that commonsense thing. 83.250.96.225 (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: (de-indent) I will leave it to one of the three very active editors involved in that discussion to reverse the non-agreed move, leaving this as a redirect page to Swords, Dublin. It is great to see that WP can have the sort of discussion I hoped for. 83.250.96.225 (talk) 20:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. BastunBaStun not BaTsun 23:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Per WP:NC:CITY#Ireland, standard disambiguation for Irish places is "Placename, County X". There's no reason to break that in this case. If you want to be perfectly correct, the article should be at "Swords, County of Fingal", or "Swords, Fingal County", but I'm not sure if that goes with WP:COMMONNAME. --Schcamboaon scéal? 10:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Once again, this page has been moved to Swords, County Dublin. This should be reversed, or County Fingal used instead.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bscanlan (talk • contribs) 22:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing a move to Swords, Fingal 

message: Not sure if the following under Modern Swords is meaningful or encyclopedic, especially the schools bit, which seems to have been written to "explain away" the "disadvantage tag", edited, and then edited again to stress the disadvantage issue:
As such, it might be said that the town never experiences full-scale middle-class, neither does it experience any major problems associated with large-scale disadvantage. 
The fact that two of the towns' four secondary schools are designated as disadvantagedFor the VEC, the term disadvantage is based on the level of students from single-parent families, families relying on social security, levels of medical card holders and other factors. (St. Finian's C.C. and Fingal C.C.), and the other two (Loreto College Swords and Colaiste Choilm) are not, shows how complex the social mix is. 
I have put the explanation of the VEC term disadvantage in a reference, as it is just one body's term, not an absolute. 217.213.75.145 08:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social mix section 

message: I've removed the Links to Roganstown, and "Swords" Open Golf Club as they add nothing to the Article and are Merely there to advertise the two Golf Courses (Owned by the Same Family), besides the only Golf Courses in Swords itself are Forest Little and Swords Open, Roganstown is Part of Ballyboughal. Stabilo boss 10:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amenities 

message: This badly needs improvement. I was driving from the airport this morning and I saw a massive ruin on a hill so I drove up to find it and came across a housing estate called 'Abbeylea' which very helpfully had the Irish name on it, An Mainistir Liath, so I presume from that that the abbey was for the grey friars? Also, what's the background to Swords castle and its current renovation, which seems very extensive? Where are the local history buffs!? 86.42.96.251 (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a point after my own heart, and while I am from the wrong part of Dublin to add much myself, I am sure there must be more about the town, the old monastery, the famous convent of Grace Dieu which once existed nearby and is mentioned in several historical novels, incidents during rebellions, past industries including the mill which once stood in the centre of the town, and so on. Twilson r (talk) 11:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: The Demographics section is too big compared to the rest of this page. I am suggesting that it is moved into a new page called Demographics of Swords. Does anyone have any problems with this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.79.214 (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics Section 

message: This article is growing nicely, while one or two sections need work.  But the lead picture is rather dull, so perhaps someone would have a good shot of Main Street, or Swords Castle, or one of the nice parks?  Twilson r (talk) 13:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image 

message: There seems to be a lot of confusion about the population of Swords. It is very frustrating to the people of Swords, but the truth is that the Central Statistics Office got it wrong. For some reason, they excluded the Holywell and Drynam estates and listed them as a separate town called Kinsealy-Drinan. I contacted the CSO about it and they referred me to page 44 of the document below:
It explains that the two areas are called census towns and that their borders are extended using a rule of 100 metres between buildings. However, the census towns of Swords and Kinsealy-Drinan are closer than 100 metres at several points and should have been ammalgamated under this rule. When I pointed this out I was told that the information had been "signed-off, published and issued" and that "Kinsealy-Drinan will not be made a part of Swords before the next census".
According to Fingal County Councils Development Plan their Swords Development Boundary includes Holywell and Drynam:
 (red dashed line is the development boundary)
and according to the Geodirectory Holywell and Drynam are part of Swords:
This article is about the entire town of Swords, not just the census town. We can't ignore the fact the Holywell and Drynam are certaintly part of Swords.Royboymaps (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the CSO has got it wrong, I'm sure that they will correct it in good time, retrospectively even. Meantime, their word is gospel. To do anything else would constitute WP:Original Research. It's not for us to tell the CSO that they got it wrong. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population Figures 

message: As my watchlist is quiet, I have been struck by the demographics / population / status topic which has sprung up around Swords over recent weeks.  On one point, I do believe a good case has been made for a population of over 42 thousand for the town and surrounds.  But it is also true that some of the residential areas are only tenuously connected to the town, and can see why the Census people excluded some.  Even the County Council notes that most of the town-like features of Swords relate to Main Street and short sections of a few other streets.  And the population of the town centre is rather modest.  
I am not sure that broad debate on a topic like this is relevant to Wikipedia, whose main focus is in what Swords is now.  This does not readily fit with speculation about 2035, and plans which sound a little like some of the fantasy of the Celtic Tiger years, with Belmayne or Clongriffin, small and still unfinished housing estates, touted as "new towns."  However, Fingal's "Swords Masterplan" is quite realistic:
* Swords is identified as a Metropolitan Consolidation Town within the Regional Planning Guidelines for the Greater Dublin Area and has an important role as a developing town within the Dublin City Region.
* It is key to the future success of Swords as a multi-functional high quality Major Town Centre within the Dublin City region, that the traditional Town Centre extend in a compact manner to the south and south west
These seem reasonable ambitions, albeit everything was set back a bit by the dropping of Metro North.
I do agree that there is still good scope to improve the article, and would also suggest removing the Demographics of Swords related article.
Twilson r (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status 

message: I do believe that after a very busy period of editing, and the development of a long list of references, the article should be considered for the B quality grade.  Twilson r (talk) 11:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article grade 

message: There has been back and forth editing on this point, and the best way to solve this is a discussion here, and referral to good sources, and official body positions.  Certainly Swords is part of Greater Dublin, and has suburban housing, but I see it as a satellite, in the same way as Balbriggan or Leixlip, say.  It differs in this respect from Tallaght, for example, part of the contiguous suburbs of Dublin.  I will look into sources, but I hope this can also be discussed here.
There has also been editing claiming the airport for Swords, but this was looked into before, and it is clearly not the case (there may have been confusion with old post towns, but that has no more meaning than the huge percentage of southern Dublin, across many named suburbs, which used to be addressed as "Blackrock, County Dublin."SeoR (talk) 17:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have maybe said that Swords is both, it is a satellite town - and Fingal Co. Council is very assertive about this the last ten years - and at the same time it is a remote suburb, if there is such a thing.  I understand the idea of the suburbs being part of the continuous "mass" of Dublin, and so ending with Portmarnock or maybe Malahide, Blanchardstown and Tallaght.  I would say that it is clear that Balbriggan, small towns like Skerries and Donabate, Bray and so on, are distinct.  So I suppose Swords is more like those - even if the city is reaching out, the green belt and the airport will keep it separate.  At the same time, around the small but real town centre, Swords is mostly suburban semi-detached and terraced housing.  So a satellite town with its own suburbs, or just a remote suburb.  I will have a look at how some areas around some UK cities are described, I think this might help.
On the airport question, the fact that it is not in Swords is clear.  I sometimes take the bus from the airport to Swords for shopping after foreign trips, and it's over 15 minutes and a good bit of countryside from one to the other.  The airport is in Collinstown, in what was northern Santry in the old civil parish system, and probably the lands are in other rural districts. Twilson r (talk) 07:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Suburb or satellite town

message: The redirect Kinsealy–Drinan has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Iveagh Gardens (talk) 10:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Kinsealy–Drinan]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]