Talk:Allophone (person)

message: "The terms anglophone and francophone are used in Quebec, and also sometimes in Canada, to designate people whose first or adoptive languages are English and French, respectively."
:While I agree with the preceding paragraph where allophone is used in Quebec and sometimes in the rest of Canada, I think that "francophone" and "anglophone" are used throughout Canada, and not just primarily in Quebec.  However, I only have my personal context as an Ontarian with several years of French classes. --timc | Talk 02:22, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada vs. Quebec 

message: Can anyone provide the etymology of this term?  Is is all + phone (and if so, why does that make sense), or does allo- mean something in French (besides "hello")? —Triskaideka 19:00, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: All or Allo, meaning "other" in grec. The opposite of homo or homéo meaning "the same". Maybe it should be mentionned in the article?
-- Mathieugp 21:53, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I think so, and I've added it.  Feel free to revise it, but I'm wary of calling "homo" the opposite of "allo" in the article -- I think most people would consider "hetero" the oppostite of "homo", and probably wouldn't consider, for example, "allophones" in either sense to be the opposite of "homophones". —Triskaideka 22:25, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: I wonder if anybody has a source showing that the use of the word "allophone" is restricted to Quebec. I would have guessed that it was used throughout Canada.
136.152.196.177 09:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard it used outside of Quebec. In BC, French isn't a reference point. The most common label is probably ESL speaker (English as a Second Language) for non-Anglos. bobanny 20:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References?

message: Domaine(s) :  	
 - démographie
 - linguistique
			
. 	français
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	allophone n.
		
Équivalent(s) 
English	allophone
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Définition :
Personne dont la langue d'usage (celle qui est parlée à la maison) ou la langue maternelle est différente de la ou des langues officielles du pays où elle se trouve.
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. 	Note(s) :
D'une étude démolinguistique à l'autre, on tiendra compte soit de la langue maternelle seule, soit à la fois de la langue maternelle et de la langue d'usage, en rapport avec les langues officielles du pays.
Par exemple, un hispanophone ou un germanophone est considéré au Canada comme un allophone s'il ne parle ni le français ni l'anglais.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeldl (talk • contribs) 02:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand dictionnaire entry including English word

message: I am an American that went to Montreal last month for a couple weeks, and when I saw this brought before WP:3O, thought I might have something to add.  After reading the discussion, I quickly became exhausted.  So, I am just going to include the uses of the word that I have culled from an online database (by subsciption only) of academic and popular resources.  The majority of the uses were linguisitic, but I included about a third of the non-linguistic ones here (even one in French).  The source information is also included.
The various elements that make up the individual’s sense of cultural identity require a certain amount of negotiation and management in even the most straightforward of circumstances. This is particularly true for people who have multiple and/or contrasting identity claims. Group interviews with 72 allophone and anglophone Montreal residents were used to find patterns in strategies for negotiating these claims, given that these populations must contend with competing discourses about nation, language, ethnicity/ race, religion, etc. Source: Sklar, Alissa. Strategies of the Self: Negotiating Cultural Identity in Anglophone and Allophone Montreal  Paper presented at the annual meeting of the International Communication Association, Sheraton New York, New York City, NY, Online <PDF>. 2006-10-05 <http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p12759_index.html>
This paper presents the first multivariate analysis of the combined effects of region and language on voluntary association membership in Canada. National survey data from 2000 indicate that Quebecers have the lowest average number of memberships, with Western Canadians highest and Atlantic and Ontario residents in between. Preliminary results also confirm that francophones report fewer memberships than anglophones. Findings from Poisson regression models, however, indicate a significant interaction between region and language: francophones have lower membership levels only in Quebec, and in Western Canada have higher levels than anglophones or allophones. These results hold even with controls for a number of possible explanatory factors suggested in the literature, including religious and socioeconomic differences across the regions and language groups. The implications for understanding patterns of voluntary association activity in Canada are discussed. Source: Voluntary Association Activity in Quebec and English Canada: Assessing the Effects of Region and Language 
Monica Hwang, Robert Andersen and Edward Grabb 
Canadian Journal of Political Science/Revue canadienne de science politique, Volume 40, Issue 01, Mar 2007, pp 209-232 
doi: 10.1017/S0008423907070011, Published online by Cambridge University Press 19 Mar 2007''
 To determine the prevalence of mood, anxiety, and other disorders in the population of Canadians aged 55 years and over. Method: We undertook an analysis of the Canadian Community Health Survey: Mental Health and Well-Being (CCHS 1.2). Results: There was a linear decrease for all disorders after age 55 years. This was true for men and women; for anglophones, francophones, and allophones; and for both people born in Canada and people who immigrated to Canada after age 18 years. Consistent with previous research, the prevalences were higher for women than men. Immigrants reported fewer problems than nonimmigrants, with the differences decreasing with age. Francophones of both sexes reported more mood disorder than anglophones, but francophone men had less anxiety disorder than anglophone men. Source: The Epidemiology of Psychological Problems in the Elderly. By: Streiner, David L.; Cairney, John; Veldhuizen, Scott. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, Mar2006, Vol. 51 Issue 3, p185-191
Canadian health professionals are witnessing a rising tide of multiculturalism that has seen the number of nonofficial languages spoken across the country hit a record high. Data from the 2001 census show that about 5.3 million people are allophones — people who claim neither official language as a mother tongue. While English and French still predominate, more than 100 languages are being spoken. There has been a spike in the use of Asian and Middle Eastern tongues, particularly Punjabi and Arabic but including rarer tongues such as Twi, spoken in southern Ghana. Overall, 5.4 million of the 30 million people living in Canada were born abroad...But the challenges doctors face today extend beyond literacy into the realm of cross-cultural understanding, and nowhere are they more complex than in Toronto. Census data show that 40% of people residing in Canada's biggest city are allophones (1.898 million residents), a 17.8% increase since 1996. Source: Changing face of Canada is changing the face of medicine. By: Mackay, Brad. CMAJ: Canadian Medical Association Journal, 3/4/2003, Vol. 168 Issue 5, p599
Many constitutional lawyers in English Canada say that, morally and legally, the federal government could not simply turn its back on anglophones, allophones and aboriginals who vote overwhelmingly in favor of remaining within Canada. That could lead to demands to partition Montreal, parts of western Quebec along the Ontario border, the Eastern Townships, and northern regions inhabited largely by the James Bay Cree and the Inuit. Sovereigntists, however, contend that a body of international law, based on decisions by various courts, tribunals and arbitration panels, supports their position that the province's borders cannot be changed. But for many sovereigntists, the debate over borders is more emotional and symbolic than legal. "The language of partition is the language of civil war," says Guy Laforest, a political scientist at Laval University in Quebec City. "Partition pushes Quebec into a corner. It says you either accept the status quo-or it's partition and civil war." Source: Battle over borders. By: Jenish, D'arcy; Hawaleshka, Dan. Maclean's, 2/12/96, Vol. 109 Issue 7, p26
Librarian Van Be Lam spends his working days surrounded by the evidence of his achievement, all 15,000 volumes of it. The books line the shelves outside his office at Montreal's Mile-End Library, a downtown institution in an ethnically diverse area. There are Italian novels, Spanish histories, Greek biographies, collections of Portuguese poetry, works in Chinese and Vietnamese, even a few tomes in the widely spoken but rarely written Haitian Creole patois. "It has taken us 10 years to assemble these books," said Lam, the library's director. He added, betraying a trace of pride: "Look at the language of the titles and you will get some idea of the cultural composition of the communities we serve."
Others: In the lexicon of Quebec's linguistic politics, the members of those communities are known as "allophones" -- from the Greek allos, for "other" -- who, like the 50-year-old, Vietnamese-born Lam, have neither French nor English as their mother tongue. Of the 2.9 million people on and around the island of Montreal, one out of five is an allophone, speaking one or more of 35 languages. And their place in the Canadian debate over language policy is ambiguous. Unprotected by the federal Official Languages Act, most allophones acknowledge -- and speak -- French as the day-to-day business language of Quebec. At the same time, most also express a loyalty to a united Canada that they share more closely with Quebec anglophones than with the province's French majority. The distinction is one that many allophones find acutely uncomfortable. As librarian Lam ruefully remarked: "We are like fish forced to swim in two currents." Indeed, associations representing several allophone groups have joined forces to try to make their voice heard in the national language and unity debates. Source: The fear in the middle. By: Came, B.. Maclean's, 4/22/91, Vol. 104 Issue 16, p20
La question de l'apprentissage d'une langue seconde par les immigrants a ete un
enjeu politique de premiere importance au Quebec au cours de la deuxieme moitie du
XX' siecle. A Montreal en particulier, ou une majorite francophone cohabitait avec
une minorite anglophone, les nouveaux citoyens ont eu tendance historiquement a
s'assimiler plutot du cote des locuteurs de l'anglais, Apres la Revolution tranquille, un
mouvement a emerge parmi les nationalistes francophones pour modifier cette tendance
et convaincre les allophones de se joindre a la majorite demographique. Des donnees
recentes extraites du recensement canadien de 2001 montrent que les effets des lois
linguistiques quebecoises commencent a se faire sentir de plus en plus a Montreal et
que, dans ce contexte, la connaissance du fran?:ais a progresse au sein des communautes
immigrantes recemment arrivees. Source: Sortie de crise linguistique au Québec: L'apprentissage du français par les immigrants selon les données du recensement fédéral de 2001. (French) By: Anctil, Pierre. Journal of Canadian Studies, Spring2007, Vol. 41 Issue 2, p185
Hope this helps.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 16:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, there is no doubt regarding the Canadian usage of the term. The question is whether there is substantial non-Canadian usage, justifying a more international slant on the article. Myk (talk) 06:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: All dictionaries and academic references show the second sense of the definition to be a Canadian and especially a Quebec regionalism, and agree with the definition given on this page. 
: - Farlex - 2.  or Allophone Canadian A person whose native language is other than French or English. 
: - Merriam Webster (no demographic definition) 
: - Wordweb - 2. [Cdn] An immigrant to Québec whose first language is neither English or French 
: - MSN Encarta -  2. Canada Quebec immigrant: an immigrant in Quebec who speaks neither English nor French as a first language
: - Oxford - allophone, n.2: Esp. in Quebec: a non-native Canadian whose first language is neither French nor English.  arch_id=FUSn-0lvukq-20729&hilite=20000380]
: - Global Tranlations - Allophone: A resident of Quebec who speaks a first language other than English or French 
: - Websters - In Québec, an allophone is a person whose mother tongue is a language other than French (Francophone) or English (Anglophone).
I think the OED definition is most authoritative, as it explicitly documents usage. The Quebec government site stands alone in generalizing this definition; I doubt that this regional dictionary documents English (or even French) usage of this word outside Canada. --Soulscanner (talk) 07:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any doubt it's most common in Canada. But we'd have to see exactly what a dictionary like the Oxford says in its introduction about whether their notation means primarily or only used in Canada. If possible, could you quote the part of the Oxford where they describe the use of regional labels? Also, even if it is a "regionalism" as you put it, that doesn't mean that "In Quebec" has to be in the first sentence. For example, truck, in its North American meaning, is a US/Canada regionalism not used elsewhere in the English-speaking world. Yet the first sentence of Truck says what a truck is. Only afterwards does it go into distinctions by country. Also, none of this means that Allophone (Quebec) is a more appropriate title than Allophone (demographics), since the second one disambiguates the term just as effectively. Joeldl (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Oxford dictionary is clear. It limits usage to Canadians. It does no apply in Australia or any other country. It is not understood elsewhere in Canada outside of academic circles. Since all definitions specifically mention Quebec, I think it justifies mentioning Quebec in the first line. --216.6.204.62 (talk) 18:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I'm British, and "allophone" in its Canadian sense is unheard of here, even in those parts of the UK (eg Wales) where there are two well-established main languages. Incidentally, Joeldl is not quite right about "truck": in recent years that word has become almost as common as "lorry" in Britain. 86.143.54.10 (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionaries show Allophone (demographic) is a Canadian and Quebec regionalism 

message: Why does this this article have a picture of Michaëlle Jean? She speaks five languages (including both French and English) so she certainly isn't a typical allophone. French and Haitain-Creole are both official languages in Haiti, so it's not clear to me that she is an allophone, especially since  this link in the Notes section says that many Creole-speaking Haitian immigrants identify their mother tongue as French. If she is considered to be an allophone then at least the caption on the photo should say so. 
Meters (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no support for the photo I'm going ot remove it. Meters (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: image removed Meters (talk) 00:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michaëlle Jean image 

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message: Canada has a sizable population of both. Shouldn’t we add these 2 to the chart?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6001:E7C4:1E00:858F:E541:307C:7AC6 (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a cite for their numbers? Pinkbeast (talk) 22:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What percentage of allophones spoke Hindustani or Aramaic?