Talk:Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany)

message: It has been suggested to move the page to German Left Party "for disambig reasons". 
* oppose. Unnecessary move and would wrong imply that "German" is part of the name. Rd232 11:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: German Left Party

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 02:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Tried to make this as NPOV as possible. Enemies see PDS/WASG as populist ex-cop-outs, supporters as the rebirth of true left-wing policy. Feel free to comment. -- Onomatopoeia 15:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy section

message: The article states that "Two of the Left Party's leaders, Gregor Gysi and Lothar Bisky, are Jewish."
AFAIK they have some Jewish ancestors, but are not Jews themselves.
:Depends on how you define "Jewish" or "Jews".  Halakha says that those with Jewish ancestry (presuming it's matrilineal) are still Jews even if they don't follow the Jewish faith.  Many consider people of Jewish descent of whatever kind to be Jewish even if they aren't religious (and this includes the non-religious Jews themselves).  It would be interesting to know if they self-identified.  I'm betting they would be Jewish enough to fall under the Nurenburg laws... --Jfruh 15:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was uncomfortable anyway with whether that Trivia point was encyclopedic; now I think it should definitely be removed. Rd232 15:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Small correction: Gysi is 37,5 % Jewish ancestry. But since none of them are personally Jewish in religious sense, it is irrelevant in the context it is mentioned (which was the party being largely atheistic) and I don't think it belong in the party article anyway. anon 18:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't give you a percentage of Gysi's Jewish blood, but it would have been enough to get him deported to Auschwitz. Gysi considers himself to be ethnically Jewish and was active in Berlin's Jewish community before the Wende. Atheism or non-religiosity does not determine Jewish identity, as any secular Jew in Israel will tell you, and under Israeli law personal religious beliefs do not validly determine whether one is or is not a Jew. The reference to Gysi's Jewishness was relevant to the accusations that the party pandered to xenophobia, but I agree it's not essential. Also, my reference to Bisky was incorrect, I learned from a Jewish acquaintance in Berlin recently. He is not Jewish. Thanks, by the way, for recent editorial cleaning-up which has improved the readability of the article. --langohio 20:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewishness 

message: The article makes no reference as to who leads the party - ie chairman ect. Agathoclea 11:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party leaders 

message: IMHO the article should be placed under Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany), as that was the party's name for sixteen years, whereas the now obsolete name "The Left Party/PDS" was only used during the short period preceding the merger with the WASG. 
Before you ask: yes, the party was called SED for an even longer time, but I think that would be glossing over the changes in 1990. In contrast to 2005, the name change then was stable and not temporary. Str1977 (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Should not this article be rolled together with The Left (Germany), seeing as the latter has text copied directly over from it? How truly different is the new party?  --Free Socialist (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so as the two are distinct parties. The Left is the result of the merger between the PDS and the WASG. Whether the new party will turn out to be merely an extension of the PDS will be seen in time and maybe one day your proposal will be justified. But right now I cannot see that. Str1977 (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I would like to start a formal discussion about moving this page to Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany). I support this move for the following reasons:
* This title would be less awkward than the current one.
* This article covers the party as it existed from 1989 to 2007. During 16 of these 18 years, it was referred to as the "Party of Democratic Socialism". The name "Left.PDS" was only introduced in preparation for the launch of the new Left Party.
* The German Wiki counterpart to this article is entitled Partei des Demokratischen Sozialismus.
Please discuss this so that we can come to a definite conclusion. --Linkswechsel (talk) 05:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested [[Help:Moving a page|Move]] 

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