Talk:Mentors (band)

message: Papa sneaky sperm shooter and ed Danky are the same person. Ed Danky died in 1990 of a cocaine related stroke . Also scott wino weinrich from the Obsessed/St Vitus played guitar with them at some point.small class="autosigned">— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.110.218.69 (talk) 23:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

message: Group Members needs to be updated massively. Also what was Jeff Dahl's stage name, as I am unable to verify it at this time? 
Also, it may be mentionable to include info on the "Church Of El Duce". Here's a link to the Church Of El Duce's Website if someone wishes to add this to the article. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should:
http://www.churchofelduce.com/main.htm
--MadDax 18:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This is impossible: "chronic, acute alcoholism".Spearhead 18:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; it's an oxymoron. An illness can only be one or the other, but not both. Changed to simply read "alcoholism" for now. 82.2.148.214 20:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not impossible for El Duce!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.132.97 (talk) 11:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  chronic, acute alcoholism  

message: Should the fact that El Duce was also a chronic meth user be included?  I mention this because this was a widely accepted fact in the venues he frequented.
user:jerry.mills
:It's hard to wrap my head around El Duce as a meth-head.  He's hard to write about, though, because he belonged to an underground culture that doesn't write the history books--are there any verifiable sources that discuss his use of meth?  It's got be more than a widely accepted fact among hangers-outers, because public interpretation of personnas are not verifiable sources, and often grossly inaccurate.  I stuck with the verifiable for my own additions to this page, although I don't think they cover the full story well--which may be what you're considering, is some part of the story missing.  I don't know if others would consider it important to know he used meth, if, indeed, he did.  
:I actually would have called him a chronic acute alcoholic, at least in the beginning.  Technically it's an oxymoron, but whoever posted that probably used "chronic acute" from personal experience with a younger El Duce. 
:Pretty good page.  Nice to see there is a Mentors page and interested writers in Wikipedia.  Maybe today's underground culture won't disappear. KP Botany 19:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcoholism... 

message: The Mentors song "Four F Club" was used in the Max Headroom porn-parody Maxine (with Porsche Lynn as "Maxine Bedroom").  So the distance to  Kevin Bacon cannot be much farther. Asat 11:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The inevitable Matt Frewer connection 

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message: Mike Dewey, being the original Dr. Heathen Scum, has been deliberately omitted and discredited here and I can only assume that Mr. Broy, having stolen the original Dr Heathen Scum's name, needs to hide all references to the man he's stolen so much from. Very disgusting. Not only was Mike Dewey known as Dr. Heathen Scum long before he ever joined The Mentors, but his songwriting creativity was also clearly missing on releases after the great "Get Up And Die" EP which Mike also produced.
I don't give a crap about Broy's version of the Mentors, he can keep fellating that dead horse as long as he wants. What he can't do is rewrite history and steal credit and cash from those who came before him. Those who were there (such as myself) need to collectively hold this Mr. Broy's feet to the fire until he tells the truth. Sickie, you in particular ought not to allow this identity theft to take place. You don't have to be friends with Mike anymore to know that what's right is right.
-Steve humann (talk) 04:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rick Lomas played drums with them circa 1990.  I'm not sure about Ed Danky.  Regarding Mike Dewey, I'm also not sure.  I juggled the formatting and info around a bit, but if anyone has any (preferably verifiable), please go ahead and add it and/or correct my additions.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 05:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I imagine that I should have said this a while ago, but I've done my best to reconstruct the chronology using a number of sources (all of which I cited, I think.)  As I understand it, Broy was the founding bassist, Dewey (following two short-lived replacements) served in the band from 1980-84, Broy returned for a few years, Danky and Zippy replaced Broy from about 1986-89, and Broy has been with the group ever since.  If anyone objects to this chronology, please let us know so we can get this thing right.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 17:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deliberate omission of Mike Dewey 

message: What the heck is rape rock? Just because that's how they billed themselves doesn't make it a genre classification in its own right! I'm changing this to say that they were shock rock, because that's what they were in the truest sense of "shock rock." Lest ye have a differing opinion, please don't hesitate to politely bring it to my attention. 62 Misfit (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical style?

message: While the circumstances of Hoke's death remain mysterious, there is no proof at all that he was murdered, and it can't be included here.Mk5384 (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Hoke 

message: I went ahead and did a big copy edit and cleanup of the article.  There are a few biographical points that seem unclear to me, and I am just now noticing that some of these are being addressed here on the Talk page.  The two points that seem unclear are 1.) whether or not the band was active in the mid-late 1990s; and 2.) who exactly Dr. Heathen Scum was, how many people were going by this pseudonym and during what times, etc.  On #1, I tried to leave the matter ambiguous throughout the article - the main point is that whether or not the band was together on paper during these years, they were only sporadically active until around 2001.  On #2, it seems like there is some controversy between Mike Dewey and Steve Broy's claims to the Dr. Heathen Scum pseudonym and role.  My changes weren't attempting to comment on that, so if anyone has any (preferably verifiable) additions or corrections to make, by all means do so.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 05:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a few more sources and flushed out the bass player history in the band's biography.  Hopefully that helps reduce the controversy and is to everyone's liking.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: A few biographical points

message: Does anyone have information about the stage names (if any), used by Rick Lomas, and Jeff Dahl? Also, does anyone know the real names of Sickie J, El Rapo, Zippy, and Jack Shit?Mk5384 (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All good questions.  I haven't found any of those in my research.  Let's just make sure that we can verify any stage or real names we add, as the rumor mill seems to run overtime on this subject.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, any details on the death of Ed Danky?Mk5384 (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that I've read about it at some point but am blanking on the circumstances.  I don't know that it's hugely relevant to the article since Danky was only briefly a member and never performed on an album.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real names/ stage names 

message: Hello all.I was told by a friend about an update on this article about a former member (bassist) for the mentors. The update was deleted shortly after it was posted.I am the former member.I joined and played with the band as their bassist in and around Los Angeles from July 1984 through early 1985. I replaced Ed Danky at that time.My name is Wayne Daddio. I was dubbed 'Ripper' by Eldon .On the inner sleeve of the 'You Axed For It' album,I am the bassist pictured with the Vox phantom bass.(I am not on the recording).I did quite a few gigs with them during that time along with a brief stint with Eldon away from his drums as the lead singer, while Rob Beigel took over drums.That didn't last very long.Then it was back to the three of us.All I have is a few pictures documenting these facts from back then.I'm hoping to be added back to the list of former members...Thanks for listening.Truvox (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Truvox - I am the one who deleted your last addition, and I did so many because the edit was improperly formatted and introduced formatting issues into the former members section.  The mid-80s era of the Mentors is hazy, and I would like the article to be as accurate as possible, and would thus like to try and include your name.  Do you have any articles, interviews, liner notes or other minor press blurbs that verify your involvement?  Wikipedia articles must be verifiable, but, when this is impossible it is also nice when they are simply correct.  So any further info that you could supply is appreciated.  Cheers, Colinclarksmith (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, I re-added the info.  Cheers, Colinclarksmith (talk) 15:35, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:    Former Mentors Member   

message: First of all, does anyone have confirmation, and preferably a source for this new album. I find it unlikely, though not impossible, that Casablanca Records would distribute a release from the likes of The Mentors. Also, some newer Mentors performaces on You Tube show musicians that are certainly not the ones listed in this article. They could just be fill-ins, but any information and sources would be great. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  If anyone still watches this page... 

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message: Dear Wikipedians,
I have removed the external link on churchofelduce.com, since this reference is not valid any longer.
Indeed the domain name has been bought by a Indonesian company to sell online gambling, on 25th June 2019, according to whoxy.com.
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thread_title:  External links modified (November 2020) 

message: Is it fair to say many of the mentor's songs are at least partially comedic and satirical? May warrant it being included as a genre.Harry-Oscar 1812 (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comedy rock/metal