Talk:Frank Zappa/Archive 3

message: It should be noted that, while he opposed drug use, he supported drug use as an individual right, in accordance with his libertarian leanings.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.31.79 (talk) 19:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source it and we can maybe include it. --John 19:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs 

message: this website claims Frank Zappa was muslim. I've never heard such a claim before, anyone got a clue?
http://www.searchboth.com/MuslimHeritage/
--Popoi (talk) 17:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's saying he's of "Muslim" (by which they seem to mean, at least in part, "Arab") heritage! --Orange Mike 17:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Zappa's heritage was not exclusively Italian. The way his parents' etniticity is written is sourced from his own book. But, of course, the equation arab=muslim is not always true, and definitely not in Zappa's case.--HJensen, talk 06:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That idea is strong in the U.S., and wrong. Lebanese Christians, whose ranks in the U.S. range from Danny Thomas to Ralph Nader to former Wisconsin Progressive legislator James Azim, are both Arab and Christian. --Orange Mike  | Talk 15:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  muslim? what? 

message: Regarding this edit by 70.49.3.32:
:"(I was in my mid-twenties when I found out! Up until the time I had to get a passport for the first European tour, I thought my name was Francis -- a name I had always hated. In order to get the passport, I had to present my birth certificate -- a mysterious document I had never seen before. My mother mailed it to me from California, and on it, much to my delight, was a name OTHER THAN FRANCIS -- well, it wasn't that good -- "Frank" isn't much of a bargain -- but I had thought for years, even printing it on album covers, that I was Francis Vincent Zappa Junior. How could I be such a fool?)" (from "The Real Frank Zappa book").
DVdm (talk) 10:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Vincent Zappa - not Francis 

message: The section "1.3 1970s" (seventh paragraph) contains a curious statement: A live recording from 1974, You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore, Vol. 2 (1988) shows that Zappa during this period was at a creative nadir.[106]. I don't have the reference source (Miles, Barry 2004) at hand, but I find the term "nadir" very odd in this context. Most Zappa fans would regard the 74 band as one of the best, not the worst, and Zappa's creative output at the time was superb. Why the reference claims it was his worst period baffles me.Manning (talk) 14:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good observation. I rechecked the source (which is Lowe, 2006), and he uses the word "nadir" in between high praises of that band and period. So I am as confused as you are. So, I picked another quote. --HJensen, talk 21:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the author just didn't know what "nadir" actually meant. The new version reads much better now anyway. Manning (talk) 03:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative "nadir"? 

message: Seems a little crowded, what do others think? ReverendG (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Removed a reference to Tim Buckley that made it sound as it Frank had produced his recordings.  Though Buckley had three albums released by Straight Records, Zappa did not do any production work for Buckley.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.4.82 (talk) 06:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tim Buckley

message: The article has a well-written biography, but it totally lacks info about his music, what kind of music he wrote, the way he compose/wrote songs, his view on music, his guitar playing, etc. I think you get my point. 213.66.120.120 (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the archive discussion of his guitar style points in the right direction, but the person who wrote it has a tenuous grasp of how to describe musical performance. I will deal with this section soon, since I am a trained musician myself. Qwertysocks (talk) 22:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The music

message: Is it accurate to describe Zappa as a capitalist based on the interview citing his political point of view?  I think it is erroneous to draw such a conclusion.  I could be wrong and if anyone has proof that Zappa avowed faith in capitalism, I would appreciate it very much and it would enlighten me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmukh1 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Zappa a capitalist 

message: the introduction is super opinionated, being way positive about mr. zappa.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.207.2.228 (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that in constrast with most biographies, the lead is backed by citations - I don't see any POV. Please be more specific, as that would help improve the article.--HJensen, talk 20:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Using his own The Real Frank Zappa Book ("A lot of stuff in that book is bull shit. It was just his imagination." - Don Preston) and given his observation that "rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." the POV of the citations could be queried. Lame Name (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not POV to cite the opinions of a reliable source. It is POV to write you own opinions unbacked by citations.--HJensen, talk 20:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV ALERT!

message: Heard "don't eat yellow snow" and "valley girl" on Dr. Demento but AOR stations' late nite DJs would play Dynamo Hum.
Shjacks45 (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynamo Hum 

message: With so many genres, instruments, labels etc. I think the info box could be removed in line with these discussions.  Thoughts?   Lame Name (talk) 06:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a debate on how many genres, etc. And the "settlement" was four. In this particular case, I don't think it is too many. I also think the infobox serves a good purpose of providing overview. But I will look at the discussion you mention. I wasn't aware of it. Thanks. --HJensen, talk 06:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box Deletion Proposal 

message: I am shocked and alarmed that there isn't an article for album #83 that just came out. Zazaban (talk) 06:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fell free to start one. Cheers! --HJensen, talk 11:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suck at making articles.  But I'll try. Zazaban (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Job well done!! It is started, and that's important. I added a photo, and then the article can be expanded when more people hear it. --HJensen, talk 21:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[One Shot Deal]]