Talk:Ben Wallace (basketball)

message: I took out the part about Wallace's doing a great job against Shaq in the 2004 finals because the numbers bear out that Shaq actually dominated him.  Also, I fixed some of the grammar and sentence structure.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.228.170 (talk) 00:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Ben Wallace is definetly one of the "coolest" centers in the game, period.  He deserves to be defensive player of the year...... or does he?
Ben Wallace is an overated center, as there are much better centers out there.  His height is the main issue, and centers such as Yao could eaisly overpower him.  Any disagreements?
Boxbrown 01:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Box" Time, Time to settle some issues!  This is an open discussion!

message: Ben Wallace was an all-state baseball, basketball, and football player in high school.  Did you know that?  66.166.172.178 18:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tremendous Athlete 

message: There is a mistake in Article section for Ben Wallace. 6'9" is exactly 205.74cms (roughly 206cms) while 6'8" is 203.2cms not 199cms. 199cms will be about 6'6"1/3.
"He is listed at 206 cm (6 ft 9in), although as he has stated probably stands closer to 199 cm (6 ft 8in) and weighs 109 kg (240 lb)."
Should be fixed, and adjusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.43.174 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 24 May 2006
:Is there a reliable source that state Ben Wallace stated he is more of a 6 ft 7 player? (which is 201 cm and 199 cm is 6 ft 6 in. Not 6 ft 8). If the previous person said that he or she had source saying "Ben is 199 cm and is 6 ft 8 in" that article is probably inaccurate. I have seen Wallace in real life back when he was Piston and was standing beside Darko Miličić (which is 7 ft, currently playing in Orlando) Wallace was about half a head shorter than Darko Miličić. So that about 6 ft 8 or 6 ft 9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.121.15.175 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 29 May 2007
::Unfortunately, we cannot write articles in Wikipedia based on what we personally have observed, see WP:NOR. Articles should use reliable sources. According to the official NBA website, he is 6-9 (2.06) and 240 lbs. (108.9  kg.) See also Basketball-Reference.com.
::Bash Kash (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error on article page 

message: if players who are drafted but not yet signed are considered members of their team, so should free agents who have agreed to verbal terms. there have been several edits by users changing Wallace's team back to the Pistons. He is a Chicago Bull. I will aggressively revert any edits that say otherwise (unless he agrees to sign with another team besides the Bulls). Drmagic 02:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shows you know jack about basketball.  Players who are drafted BELONG to the team that drafted them.  Free agents who have not signed are NOT part of that team.  Verbal agreements mean nothing...read up about Carlos Boozer.  Until July 12, 2006, Ben Wallace can ONLY be a Detroit Piston ACCORDING TO THE NBA (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_wallace/).  This is an encyclopedia, not your Chicago Bulls fanpage blog.  Go home.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.219.239 (talk) 03:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not taking sides here but just letting everyone know that NBA.com don't always keep their pages up to date, it may take a full day for them to update their rosters to reflect real life happenings. But that's not to say Ben Wallace is with the Bulls. Officially, he's not.--Downwards 04:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It is pathetic that a fan boy has some sort of power here. Drmagic you are an embarassment to Wikipedia. Let it go until July 12 when it becomes official.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.170.174.161 (talk) 00:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It should be pointed out that rookies are considered members of the teams that drafted them because the sole negotiating rights belong to the teams unless they trade or otherwise relinquish the rights. Likewise with free agents, they are considered members of their old team and count against the salary cap until the player signs with another team or the team renounces the player. So Drmagic is comparing apples and oranges. Ytny 22:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Wallace & The Chicago Bulls

message: Ok, we all need to chill out about the current status of what team Wallace is on. There needs to be a thought out argument here that doesn't attack other users. Yanksox 01:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's put fan loyalities aside

message: I briefly protected the page rather than block both users. Talk this out. --Woohookitty(meow) 02:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Can we please remove Chicago Bulls players? This article is to reflect real life, not the future. This is an encyclopedia. For unofficial roster changes, go and play NBA Live. --Downwards 04:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prehaps it could be reworded to reflect the fact that he was recently acquired to play for the Bulls. It appears with all possible signs that he is now a Bull. It's a bit of speculation, but based mainly on logic and sources. Things like these are never released officially till much after the fact, but it is accepted as a fact by pretty much all notable sources. It creates a real nightmare for any player's article during the offseason. Another alternative is to mention that official he is a free agent and add a section on apparent signing by the Bulls. Yanksox 04:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok Ok, good point and I agree. --Phbasketball6 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Wallace has played for the Bulls?

message: his page was edited to list him as a member of the Pistons. yet i don't see anyone bitching about that. 12.100.11.146 13:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: what about [[Nazr Mohammed]]?

message: Ben Wallace's name has officially been changed to Benedict Wallace.  All right, well maybe that is not completely accurate, but his name may as well have.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctrapp (talk • contribs) 23:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben's New Name 

message: seeing so many people arguing & jockeying over a multi-MILLIONAIRE that could care less what we write about him on some site called Wikipedia. watching all of this is so pathetically funny. *LOL* 24.148.74.156 00:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: all this over some rich guy?

message: Ok, I've stepped in and made this edit regarding Wallace's status. It's pretty much the status quo to immedially change the team name when a player switches over, however, I guess there is a chance that something will happen. Personally, as a Celtic fan, I wish he was here. Anyways, let's try to settle issues like this here on the talk and not in a 3RR war. Yanksox 00:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that this is the status quo.  And plus, since this IS wikipedia, we can change the article as new events happen.  But for now, he is a Chicago Bull.  I'm still having a hard time figuring out why this has become a big issue. Dknights411 18:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More controversy 

message: My resons for relisting the Chicago Bulls players category is that:
1. The wikipedia article refers to Ben Wallace as a Chicago Bull in the first paragraph.  Not listing an appropriate category is makes the article inconsistant.
2. The NBA officially recognizes Ben Wallace as a Chicago Bull.
3. The category is Chicago Bulls players, which I interpret as players associated with the Chicago Bulls (as players obviously).  Ben Wallace is associated with the Chicago Bulls at this moment, so he should be in the category.
4. If something happens between now and the start of the season, then we can make the necessary changes then.  But for now, we have to keep this up to date.  I mean, this IS Wikipedia after all.
Anyway that's my offical stand on this issue, and I think we should leave the article like this for consistancy purposes. Dknights411 23:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've relisted the category 

message: The article says "Coincidentally, Oakley also attended Virginia Union as well". Wallace turned to Oakley after graduating, and he referred him to VU.
Here's the relevant fact: (http://www.truehoop.com/chicago-bulls-27651-from-the-archives-a-ben-wallace-feature-article.html)
"Oakley steered Wallace to Cuyahoga Community College, near Oakley’s childhood home in Cleveland, Ohio. As a sophomore, he averaged 24 points, 17 rebounds and seven blocks per game. When his two years there were complete, Oakley helped Wallace transfer to his own alma mater, Virginia Union. "
Could someone correct this fact as I'm not a native English speaker? --Duopixel 05:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virginia Union is no coincidence 

message: I have deleted a subject about Harold Lee.
I think that is the action of a fan of Ben Wallace.
I hope that I have done the right thing :P
Towerman86 18:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harold Lee 

message: I've semi-protected the page for 24 hours so that there won't be any speculative edits while the trade is being officially approved by the league. --Madchester (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trade deadline

message: Just reported by ESPN - he's going to the Suns.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.210.144 (talk) 04:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Wallace to Phoenix Suns for Shaq O'Neal 

message: So he's now a free agent.  --Reezy (talk) 06:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Wallace has now been bought out

message: On August 7, 2009, The Detroit Pistons brought Ben Wallace back to Detroit on a one year contract.Rdemick (talk) 18:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detroit Pistons 

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message: The reference added claiming Wallace is in the Hall of Fame is based on breaking news from an unnamed source: "a source told ESPN's The Undefeated on Saturday."  The guideline WP:RSBREAKING suggests   It also reads: 
ESPN wrote that this will be announced the HOF on Sunday: "Wallace and the entire 2021 class will be announced on Sunday at the museum in Springfield, Massachusetts." Wikipedia can wait another day.—Bagumba (talk) 05:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fame 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved.  DrKay (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the Ben Wallace (disambiguation) page had already been created 12 hours earlier, I am striking the unnecessary text within my vote in support of its creation. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Agree re Mrbeastmodeallday's latest comment, also it should be considered that Americans know the basketball one better than the politician and the Britons vice-versa and there are more Americans who are likely to have heard of the basketball one even though the politician one may be involved in the ongoing war with what he is referring to. fyi: for the nomintator - you would want to see WP:ONEOTHER before creating the disambiguation page again which I see it is in for speedy deletion. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The existence of a DAB page seems unrelated to whether a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC exists or not for Ben Wallace.  AFAICS, that discussion has revolved around the basketball player and the policitican only, not the other less notable entries.—Bagumba (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

text: * Though Benjamin is relevant to the discussion about the disambiguation page. Sahaib (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

text: He's not the "6th-ranking government leader"! He's the holder of one of the most important offices of the British government. As opposed to someone who chucks balls through hoops. Let's get some perspective here please and stop comparing the seniority of someone in a major national government with someone in a sports team! If there was a basketball player called Lloyd Austin who was pretty well-known in basketball circles would you automatically assume he was more notable than the United States Secretary of Defense because, as you seem to be alleging, nobody knows anything about the holder of such a minor office? -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Note that I am not saying that the politician is primary. I am saying that the basketball player is not primary. There is a difference. You're obviously a basketball fan. But you need to realise that most people, especially outside the USA, are not and have no idea who this chap is. He is not so overwhelmingly famous that he trumps every other person by this name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

text: No, I don't hate it. I just have no interest in it. I'm British. I have a reasonably good knowledge of current affairs. I know who Ben Wallace the politician is. I have, however, never heard of the basketball player. You just cannot assume that everyone's experience of the world is the same. That's why it's not easy to make something a primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

text: It's irrelevant when somebody became notable. Would that make the President of the USA less notable than someone else called Joe Biden who became a sports star in, say, the 1960s? Just because he became famous when nobody had ever heard of the politician? No, of course it wouldn't. And someone does not have to remain primary just because they were primary when the article was first written. That's not how primacy works. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 May 2022