Talk:Chimera

message: I'd like some explanation of how to properly pronounce chimera.
: the 'ch' is a 'k' sound, the 'i' is a long 'i' as in 'bike', and the 'a' at the end is a short sound like the 'a' in 'stella' or 'bella'. the 2nd syllable is stressed. so it's 'ky-mee-ra'.
: you can also use a short 'i', making it sound more like 'kim-ee-ra' GhostGirl 03:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The pronunciation would be more obvious if the word was given in its original orthography Chimaera - I'd like to suggest a page move to that spelling - MPF 12:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I didn't realize this was how you pronounce it, I figured it was "ky-mer-a"...which is quite a big difference from the true pronunciation.  I'd like to suggest adding the pronunciation into the top of the article. --smileyborg 06:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you sure about that? I've always heard it pronounced "shi-me-ra" 118.208.240.247 (talk) 09:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I've heard people pronounce it with an sh, but I've found no Internet source that suggests it's correct. Can you provide one? TharosTheDragon (talk) 02:39, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: It was suggested that this article should be renamed Chimera (disambiguation).  The vote is shown below:
*I'm sure that easily 90% of everyone typing in "chimera" in the search field are looking for the creature in Greek mythology; and all the alternative uses of the term are derived from the mythical chimera. --Salleman 11:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: The consensus (painfully) reached here is that the In fiction and In music sections should contain short representative lists of the most notable instances of chimera in fiction and music (see the article edit history and the arbitration on the article discussion page). These sections should not include every instance since the lists would become so long as to have little or no value and would give the impression that such uses are more important than mythical or scientific uses. Wikipedea is not mere collections of internal links. See what not to put on disambiguation pages, as well.
Consequently, before adding to this section, please take the following steps:
*be sure that the article that you are linking mentions chimera. We should not be sending readers that are looking for information about chimera to articles that do not mention the term. 
*verify that your addition is at least as notable as the examples already listed and that chimera plays a major, not just a tangential role in the work. 
*consider replacing an existing less-notable entry. 
*justify your edit on this page.
Finally, if you disagree with my opinion of the consensus, leave your comments here. Please don't edit the article to make your point. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chimera#In_fiction|In fiction]] and [[Chimera#In_music|In music]] consensus 

message: To move the page to its classical Latin spelling Chimaera. It is of course a classical creature / concept, which has nothing to do with the US, so why should it be at a recent US variant spelling? - MPF 12:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a reasonable argument. On the other hand, the majority modern usage is with the Chimera spelling, I think.  Google finds 3,230,000 (Chimera) v. 1,010,000 (Chimaera). If Google is an indication of use frequency among Internet users, a majority of readers will be searching for Chimera. That is a weak argument; redirects are relatively cheap, or so I think. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:22, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Gee, why should it use a recent US spelling? Well, there's Wikipedia:Use English policy, Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy that say we use the most common version, and a conspicuous lack of any policy that says Wikipedia:Use archaic Latin. We spell it the way it's spelled in the real world, it's a little thing called Wikipedia:Use common sense. DreamGuy 06:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Hello... the lines in question had two links, the first was to the name of the sci-fi series, the second was DIRECTLY TO AN ARTICLE THAT HAD CHIMERA IN THE TITLE. And we approved both of those in discussion above, quite specifically, by name, whereas we did not approve Fullmetal Alchemist. Please pay attention to what you are doing here. DreamGuy 06:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, of course. I searched the first linked articles only. I somehow missed the second links. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move request

message: In the series, Beyblade, on of the main characters/bitbeasts, Draciel, is a chimera.I think someone should add this under fiction or under the article of the animal, Chimera. --PokemontrainerNelly (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chimera In BeyBlade

message: Cabal mediation is now underway.  The initial case has been filed at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-01-10 Chimera.  I would now like to hear DreamGuy's side of the story.  Thank you.  --Cyde Weys votetalk 21:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We had a long discussion on all of this in the past, consensus was reached, criteria for notability were decided upon, items previously on the page were listed as not being notable enough for inclusion. All was good for months until Pmanderson/Septronis came back and started reverting back to everything the way he original had it and had been edit warring for originally, ignoring clear consensus, and once again making personal attacks in the process. His actions are a complete violation of pretty much all accepted practices here. Frankly, from past experience with "Cabal mediation" (simply just another editor who acts like his opinion is more important than others... there's no group or anything, just someone trying to declare his findings, when any editor who comes along is equally capable of declaring their own, that's how Wikipedia works... and, before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, the only "Cabal" (poor name choice there) mediation I was involved in decided in my favor) I would prefer that the editors here simply go about the normal consensus building methods without your input. I will accept all true consensus, regardless of outcome, but not simply Pmanderson's unceasing edit warring and proclomations of notability simply because he says so. For example, the Final fantasy alchemy or whatever the heck it was originally did not meet criteria for being listed here, as it was not mentioned on the page in question, but since then a whole article about the topic was created, which fits the new guidelines, so it stays now. The Lena Hades artist absolutely meets no notability criteria for this topic, for example, and this wsa clearly decided earlier, which Pmanderson ignored with no justification. His actions here are clearly bad faith. DreamGuy 22:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus might have been reached at one point in time, but things change.  Editors come and go, and the topic itself changes (as you pointed out).  Nothing is ever set in stone and given the last consensus was many months ago, it's time to reach a new consensus.  That's what Cabal Mediation is for.  As for who I am to come in here and mediate, please see the random musings on my user page.  And it's not just me; we members of the Mediation Cabal frequently refer with each other on various matters.  Please join us on the  Cabal Mediation page as we come to a new consensus.  --Cyde Weys votetalk 22:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I could see the records of this consensus discussion, it might persuade me; I don't see it here. Septentrionalis 22:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I would appreciate it if you kept the Mediation Cabal page in existence. Should this need (which God forbid) to be argued in yet another forum, I would like to save my phrasing; also the evidence of a resort to mediation. Septentrionalis 06:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, it's not going to get deleted, I'm just going to close out the case.  Much like a police murder investigation ... after they've gone to trial they don't destroy the case file, they just archive it.  Because the evidence could always be needed at some point in the future.  --Cyde Weys 2M-VOTE 19:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabal mediation 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
* Oppose While the move is not unreasonable, this is – or shouldn't have anything to do – with where it originated per se.  What will a visitor likely intuit and type?  The simpler and prevailing spelling — chimera (which even my Oxford English Dictionary lists first and under which the entry is at).  The article, partially supported by the Google test, should be entitled as per the Wp common naming convention with appropriate redirects and notations/alternate spellings in the article lead; distinct treatments can be treated later in the article or in others.  And see encyclopedia for comparison, with redirects from encyclopaedia or (properly) encyclopædia ... and note that Wikipaedia is a redirect too. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting

message: This is a somewhat less important entry than the Star Trek entry immediately above it. It has a sentence, rather than an article. I feel no great inclination to fight for it. Nevertheless, it only took a couple minutes to find the right link; and fixing such a link is preferable to removing it. If it's removed again, please place it here.  Septentrionalis 03:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: X-files episode

message: :In a CSI episode, a suspect was a kind of a chimera, by which means he had two different DNA structures in his body. His blood and semen had one, and spit and hair had another one.
A human chimera, or more precisely a tetra-gametic human chimera, is a person who has two different sets of DNA in different tissues and organs of their body.  When they were conceived, two eggs were fertilized, which normally results in fraternal twins, but due to reasons not yet fully understood by medical science at some point along the zygote to blastocyst development stages the cells of both merge together into a single embryo. If this embryo continues to survive, it develops into a single fetus with some body tissues developing from one set of DNA and some tissues from the other set of DNA. The embryonic stem cells at this stage are pluripotent, meaning they can become any type of body tissue later on in the development of the fetus such that brain and central nervous system can be that of one of the original twins and reproductive system can develop from the other original twin. In the case of when the two original twins were not the same genetic sex, that is should have become fraternal twin brother and sister, the resulting person has a fairly rare and special kind of intersex condition known as 46,XX/46,XY and often has some degree of hermaphroditism. Human chimeras were once thought to be exceedingly rare, perhaps occurring only once out of several thousands of births, but with advances in genetic karyotype testing becoming more affordable and widespread in availability in recent years, the occurrence of this phenomenon is being revealed to although still be quite rare, it happens more frequently than originally thought since most human chimeras go thru there entire lives without exhibiting any physical signs, especially when both original zygotes were the same genetic sex, and their chimeric condition is only discovered by chance with a DNA test.
In prime-time  TV, this unique feature of humanity has been featured on Crime Scene Investigation, and also on House.
This is an instance of the zoological sense of chimera, already listed. The article linked to does not mention it; no article appears to. Removed per Walter's guidelines above. (Also too vague to be verifiable.) Septentrionalis 04:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CSI chimera

message: Please note that this is a disambiguation page. If you have a reason to remove something, please discuss it here first - unless that specific item is not worthy of being in the article and does not disambiguate the word. Blanket removal of items as 'cruft magnets' is not acceptable. -Localzuk (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of all fiction and music related references 

message: Could someone add www.infowarscom/articles/brave_new_world/chimera.htm  this] and message me on the talk page when it is done? I dont want to add it myself, due to conflicts with other editors. --Striver 23:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you asking someone else to include content from Infowars.com on your behalf? That's borderline deceptive, and "generally considered uncool." (not to mention odd since the request is in the open for anyone to see) --mtz206 12:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's anything deceptive about making an open request.  However, my preliminary opinion is that the Infowars "chimera" (a human-non-human-animal hybrid) is not distinguishable enough from the Zoological definition (an animal with DNA from two zygotes) to deserve a separate mention.  --Hyperbole 19:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: * In the video game series Final Fantasy, Chimera is the name of an enemy that is composed of various different animals.
Deleted as a use of the primary sense of Chimera, and not important enough to mention in any article about them. Septentrionalis 23:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy

message: I've moved the blurb about non-waterspout gargoyles to the new "In art and architecture" section since I found two pages that link the section.  I changed part of the introduction to the Gargoyles article, making chimera bold  and removing its link back to this disambiguation page.  I've also redirected the link from Grotesque to the Gargoyles article, so as of now, I don't know of any article linking to this section.
However, since there plenty of links I haven't pursued yet, I ask that editors please leave the section intact for now, to make it easier for anyone seeking out chimeras in architecture who get led here by a link not yet updated.  I appreciate it. --Tiresias BC 08:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In art and architecture" section 

message: The term Chimaira exists only as the american band. The word is not in wiktionary (see). The only use of the word Chimaira is tha band. That is why Chimaira should not redirect to Chimera.--  LYKANTROP  12:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chimaira 

message: This, which I removed from the dab, should be in a reliably-sourced article:
===Television===
Chimera, the prophetic thriller, written and adapted for television by award-winning science fiction author Stephen Gallagher. Directed by Lawrence Gordon Clark (Harry’s Game), was broadcast on ITV on 7 July 1991. Classed as a mini-series it ran over four, one-hour episodes. 
The series tells the story based at a fertility research centre, The Jenner Clinic, which has been destroyed in an explosion and the entire staff wiped out by someone or something of superhuman strength.
Journalist Peter Carson (John Lynch – Sliding Doors, Hardware) fears his girlfriend, nurse Tracy Pickford, is one of the victims. As he begins to investigate the tragedy, he is drawn into a nightmare of secrecy, violence, and hostility as the government seeks to hide the truth about the clinic's work, determined that nothing will stand in the way of scientific progress.
===On DVD===
The original uncut TV version comes out on DVD for the first time on 5 July 2010, released by Revelation Films.
===At The Cinema===
Screened at the BFI in 1991, the original TV mini-series will be shown again at the BFI on 5 July 2010 as part of BFI's future human series.
===External links===
* Chimera from Revelation Films
—Eekerz (t) 21:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV show 

message: * Chimera from Revelation Films
—Eekerz (t) 21:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I've added a link to Chimera in popular culture in the "See also" section -- this page offers detailed descriptions of the many cultural references to chimeras, and as such I have removed a few of the minor references from this Chimera Disambiguation page, as they are much more clearly enumerated on the Popular Culture Page.
I have also removed the link to Chimera (novel) and suggest that that page be deleted. There was only one novel on the list, so I have added it directly to the Chimera Disambiguation page.  
—Preceding unsigned comment added by SlothropShuffle (talk • contribs) 15:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Recent Cleanup 

message: The album "Chimera" by Chris Pureka (she also has a "Chimera II") should be added under Music.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatFiggy (talk • contribs) 01:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album to add 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chimera (mythology) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 05:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Schimäre and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 22#Schimäre until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Schimäre" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]