Talk:Jorge Luis Borges

message: The  "" and "Early Writing Career" sections of this page has clearly been vandalized. Quite a few references to pornography and incorrect dates have been injected. I'll try to make corrections where I can. The other sections of this page seem to be unaffected. Tms9980 (talk) 18:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The "Sexuality" section makes an effort to obliquely attribute inversion to Borges, but can't seem to make it stick. However, it is a good attempt to bring this article into line with all other Wikipedia biographical articles. Lestrade (talk) 22:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice try 

message: Hey all,
The Jorge Luis Borges bibliography page is in dire need of clean-up and correction, so head over there!
TuckerResearch (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jorge Luis Borges bibliography]] 

message: I have tidied up the references and external links and added some references, though I will continue to research and add citations for the many sections that are unref'd. There is some concision of repeated themes, such as Borges's multi-cultural influences and his writings on Argentine culture. I'm sure there is a lot more concision needed in Influences, collaborations, and themes. I have cut little out, no sections were removed. A Notes section is added. Onwards and upwards! Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 21:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidy 

message: I suggest we cut the "Legacy" section. It is mostly a list of media inspired by Hesse's works. Every famous artist has hundreds of people who are inspired by their work. The list is not comprehensive or notable, in my view.  WP:TRIV says "Trivia sections should be avoided."  Any objections? Thanks Spanglej (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section 

message: Other than imitating the style, and writing a book he falsely claimed was a translation of Swedenborg, the article gives no indication that Borges subscribed to Swedenborg's philosophy.  Therefore, I have removed the relevant category as unjustified. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedenborgianism 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem 

message: The google doodle is pointing at this page (24th August 2011) perhaps it should be semi-protected whilst that is happening?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.50.249 (talk) 23:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's already being blanked.  Span (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regarding the doodle, I am going to add its mention to the International Renown section. Borges is too influential a figure to have the sole "Borges in popular culture" section be the inclusion of a Google Doodle. If that section is created with more references, we can move it back in.
Vincent Moon (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

text:  Actually, that idea doesn't make sense. Hmmm, perhaps I could make a small influence section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincent Moon (talk • contribs) 22:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Many great FAs have no IPC section at all, William Shakespeare, Bette Davies, Emily Dickinson, W. B. Yeats for example.    Discussion of Borges' international renown is mentioned throughout the article. I don't think a mention on Google for one day is not a significant event in the 112 year history of Borges. It smacks for recentism to me. Span (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree wholeheartedly with Span. It does not belong. Jujutacular talk 23:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Doodle 

message: I am unable to do the edit myself, but there is an error in the pronunciation indicated in IPA.  The first sound of "Borges" is transcribed with a [β], which represents a voiced bilabial fricative.  This sound is only found between vowels in Spanish.  The transcription should be a simple [b], a voiced bilabial stop, which is the pronunciation found in all non-intervocalic environments.
: Un ejemplo típico de inexactitud en Wikipedia. 75.27.41.134 (talk) 17:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There would be less inexactitude on Wikipedia if people went ahead and helped to copy edit the article instead of complaining. Please make the change if one is needed, adding an edit summary. Span (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA Pronunciation (August 2011) 

message: In the section Anti-Communism, please correct "Estella Canto" to "Estela Canto" and link the name to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estela_Canto
Burningspork (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Burningspork, 24 August 2011 

message: The current article states: OLD TEXT: "By the late 1950s, he had become completely blind, as had one of his best known predecessors, Paul Groussac, for whom Borges wrote an obituary.[9] Neither the coincidence nor the irony of his blindness as a writer escaped Borges".  Without indicating what was ironic or coincidental about the blindness. What's missing is a mention of Borges' appointment to director of the National Library. I can be changed: SUGGESTED CHANGE: "By the late 1950s, he had become completely blind, as had one of his best known predecessors, Paul Groussac, for whom Borges wrote an obituary.[9] In 1955, he was nominated to the directorship of the National Library. Neither the coincidence nor the irony of his blindness as a writer escaped Borges."  This also clears up confusion later in the article as it goes on to mention his activities in the position when we have not first stated that he received the position.  Finally, reference 24. ^ Jorge Luis Borges, Seven Nights, A New Directions Book, 1984. Page 110. Can be changed from Page 110 to Page 109 to include the statements about his directorship nomination. Thanks so much! - MikeJfromVA@gmail.com
129.57.115.155 (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments. It's changed. Span (talk) 19:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 129.57.115.155, 24 August 2011 

message: Does anyone take seriously the idea that "Menard" was a hoax? (Similarly, "Tlon".) The issue of hoaxes is not a good place for the article to detail an interpretation of Menard as it does, which to me has more to do with Borges' views on translation or even satire than it has to the hoaxes theme.
In contrast the section omits key issues re the hoaxes theme. I propose section could be renamed Hoaxes, Forgeries, and Misdirection. If so then we can mention "Al Mutassim", "Herbert Quain", and "Three Versions of Judas" as at least potentially misleading to readers who might easily think them to be among Borges' critical nonfiction rather than his fiction. I think it's also reasonably encyclopedic to say that Borges' intentions (as to how his readers would perceive provenance) were ambiguous in such cases. I would not say that is true of "Menard" (or "Tlon") unless someone can produce a good reason.
It's fair to mention Carlyle and Butler in this context but that paragraph has redundancy; I also think the Borges quotes read more like a footnote rather than main text. munge (talk) 07:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, do go for it, be bold. The article could use an expert eye, and some sourcing from scholarly texts, especially around themes. I'd love to see it worked up into an WP:GA at some point, and improved before that. Best wishes Span (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoaxes, forgeries, and misdirection 

message: I'm not changing anything here, cause I'm new to this and I don't want to screw anything up,  but I can GUARANTEE you Borges' longest story is NOT 14 pages, nor was he first published in '71. Where do people get this stuff?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.137.194.202 (talk) 08:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'Works' section says "His longest work of fiction was a 14-page story, "The Congress", first published in 1971".  The source given is the London Review of Books which is a pretty solid source. The line is saying the story was first published in 1971. Borges published books of stories, but "The Congress" was the longest at 14 pages". What story do you think is longer? Span (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: ::Subject: "He received his baccalauréat from the Collège de Genève in 1918."Edwin Williamson, Borges, Viking 2004:'the matter of his unfinished baccalauréat (p.79): 'he cannot have been too bothered about his baccalauréat, not least because he loathed and feared examination. (He was never to finish his high school education, in fact).' p.80. 
Britannica, Olstrom  and Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia Of Literature say he finished and received a BA from the Collège de Genève in 1918. Biographer  Bell-Villada says he finished a baccalauréat. Biographer Wilson says he didn't. A BA and a baccalauréat have no equivalence or educational parity even to the densest biographer. Any thoughts as to why some biographers may have thought he didn't complete whatever course of study he followed? Evidence? Any thoughts on the BA/baccalauréat source clash? Refs seem strong on all sides. We can add the 'did he / didn't finish' as a footnote but the BA/baccalauréat question should be easier to resolve. Thanks Span (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: BA/baccalauréat - finished/unfinished

message: In the injfo box we have a massive influences piece but it isnt displaying. I am not sure how to fix this. Anyone else know?. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 00:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The influenced/influences fields were recently deprecated in Infobox people and Infobox writer. Any cited instances should be moved into the prose of the article. –Quiddity (talk) 00:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Thanks. No time right now but on my to-do list. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 14:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences section

message: Not sure where to ask this, but I was wondering whether most of Borges' stories lack their own article because they are not deemed sufficiently notable, or merely because nobody has gotten around to writing them as yet. If it's the latter, I'd be glad to write some. Thanks! --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please go ahead, this would be a valuable contribution to wikipedia♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 19:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of individual Borges stories 

message: Hi, is the Borges whare one homosexual. Im have prueb is your homosexualition  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.255.97.72 (talk) 04:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexualition 

message: Since my addition of a template requesting translation of sections of the Spanish article on Borges for the English article was reverted by user 181.167.99.117, I can only ask the opinion of other editors on whether the article in Spanish is... as bad as 181.167.99.117 says it is, or if it has sections worth translating. Do you support or oppose adding the translation template? Desiderius82 (talk) 23:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation from spanish article 

message: "I don't know if the world can do without German civilization, but I do know that its corruption by the teachings of hatred is a crime."
is a bad translation for
"No sé si el mundo puede prescindir de la civilización alemana. Es bochornoso que la estén corrompiendo con enseñanzas de odio." 
which actually means something like
"I am not sure that the world can do [go] without the German civilization. It is a shame that it is being corrupted [It is shameful that it is being corrupted or It is a shame/What a shame to see it corrupted] by teachings of hate."
I am not sure if the translation was taken from some translated edition, or if it was an attempt by the Wikipedia article translator, but in any case it should be corrected. 
You can find that extraordinary very short piece by the ~38 year old Borges in 1937, at a time when the world was not caring about the Nazis (if not in love with the Nazis), googling "Una pedagogía del odio".
Iiiiaaaa (talk) 01:33, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong translation of 1937 quote against Nazi literature for children 

message: Critic Ángel Flores, may have correctly said that that the term "magical realism" was first used in regard to one of Borges' stories, but surely Kafka's "Metamorphosis" is an example of it.
that is, "Metamorphosis" has one single magical element, while the rest of the story, and the characters' behavior, are entirely realistic, in response to that one magical element.
2601:18A:8100:9BDA:7402:1C85:A79:6392 (talk) 17:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kafka and "magical realism." 

message: It is stated in the entry on Borges that he was "completely blind" at the age of 55 (ie by 1954). This does square with this Paris Review interview from 1966, in which the interviewer states on several occasions that Borges is "not completely blind".
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/4331/the-art-of-fiction-no-39-jorge-luis-borges  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosimann100 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the various good sources differ on when he was officially "completely blind". Perhaps hard to give a definitive date on this. Anna (talk) 19:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blindness 

message: The section 'Early Life and Education' refers to the '...anti-Modernist Ultraist literary movement...'
In fact, the Ultraist movement was not anti-Modernist, but anti-Modernismo, which is a very different thing. In fact, the Ultraists can be listed under the broad umbrella of Modernism, while 'Modernismo' was a much narrower literary movement particular to the Spanish-speaking world. 
The word 'anti-Modernist' links to the 'Modernismo' page so that's fine.
'Anti-Modernismo' sounds bizarre and awkward so perhaps the entire sentence needs to be reworked. I'm new at this and don't feel ready to jump in quite yet but I did want to point out the issue. 
RobotBoy66 (talk) 10:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! I would guess (without spending time combing through the history) that someone else assumed it was a translation-error or spelling-mistake, and so had 'fixed' it without understanding the error they were making. Thank you for the cautious and detailed message! That kind of proves that you're going to be a good editor. Please see WP:Be bold, plus the links I put on your talkpage. Welcome! Quiddity (talk) 02:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  One-Word Yet Stupendous Error 

message: I suspect Borges' honorary knighthood, the KBE, is a hoax. Could someone supply a source, or I will delete. How much else of this article is a hoax?--Mongreilf (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently not a hoax.   . EEng 23:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet The Gazette, the official record of such things, has nothing.--Mongreilf (talk) 23:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ...assuming you used the right search options, the website's coverage is appropriate, it's error-free, etc. WP:PRIMARY, WP:OR. Who knows? Maybe it is a hoax, but absent another source's assertion of that, we go with the sources. EEng 00:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borges' Knighthood 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This section has been removed and re-instated multiple times. Please discuss the proposed removal here. Removing the NYT source does not seem useful to me, regardless of the section removal. Hrodvarsson (talk) 22:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason why the information and sources cannot be incorporated into the existing section(s). You also reverted my edit replacing italics with quotemarks without reason. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Political influences" 

message: the caption to the recording says c. 1970-80, but a female voice at the end of the recording says 1962 ... please correct 62.11.76.22 (talk) 07:37, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice 

message: I believe this is false:
"He was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1964." Fyg50 (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: The "Legacy" section read:
"Maria Kodama, his widow and heir on the basis of the marriage and two wills, gained control over his works. Her assertive administration of his estate resulted in a bitter dispute with the French publisher Gallimard regarding the republication of the complete works of Borges in French, with Pierre Assouline in Le Nouvel Observateur (August 2006) calling her "an obstacle to the dissemination of the works of Borges". Kodama took legal action against Assouline, considering the remark unjustified and defamatory, asking for a symbolic compensation of one euro.
Kodama also rescinded all publishing rights for existing collections of his work in English, including the translations by Norman Thomas di Giovanni, in which Borges himself collaborated, and from which di Giovanni would have received an unusually high fifty percent of the royalties. Kodama commissioned new translations by Andrew Hurley, which have become the official translations in English."
Good to know, but that doesn't tell us much about his literary legacy, which is considerable and, I believe, what most people are interested in. I added quote from David Foster Wallace: "The truth, briefly stated, is that Borges is arguably the great bride between modernism and post-modernism in world literature. He is modernist in that his fiction shows a first-rate human mind stripped of all foundations of religious or ideological certainty -- a mind turned wholly inward on itself. His stories are inbent and hermetic, with the oblique terror of a game whose rules are unknown and its stakes everything."
Also considerable is Borges's influence on science fiction, so under "Fact, fantasy and non-linearity" I added "Borges and science fiction, citing John Clute and William Gibson on literary influence. 
I notice that "Works" comes after "Death". Wouldn't it make more sense to have "Works" directly after, or perhaps merged with, "Life and career", so that it flows chronologically?
What do you think? User:Kesc4399 (talk) 18:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas of Order 

message: I have removed :Category:Converts to Christianity from atheism or agnosticism because it is not sourced or stated in the article. This is per WP:CATREL. Kk.urban (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category removed