Talk:Equine nutrition

message: not sure how to properly edit the sandbox so I thought I would just stick these up here:
1. Stomach: Has a glandular and a nonglandular side. The glandular side produces pepcin.
2. Please include info about the pelvic flexure (not sure about the spelling). This is a common place for impaction colic.
Carsinmotion (talk) 07:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of this was moved over to Equine anatomy.  Montanabw(talk) 06:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digestive Tract 

message: I thought I read somewhere that the "only give you horse a few sips of water after work" idea was a myth that was disproved. I'll try to find the source.Eventer 00:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too, but I can't source it, and the Extension service articles I used, particularly the Ohio State stuff, mention the slow cool down, so absent a more recent study, best to be cautious.  I actually thought they did well to say that a horse can drink its fill WHILE WORKING, but not after...so that alone is a little more modern approach. And I think that some of the water thing may have to do with HUMAN exercise physiology...beats me.  If you find something sufficiently scientific to be a reliable source, go for it, maybe in the form of, "it used to be this way, but new studies suggest it can be that way..." Montanabw 16:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the horse has just exercised he will be breathing so hard that he will have to stop drinking in order to breathe. As long as his breathing has returned to normal drinking water will not adversely effect him. Any equine nutritionist will tell you this. Carsinmotion (talk) 07:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article, it's explained there now.  And please note there is no need to comment on an issue solved two years ago... (smile) Montanabw(talk) 06:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Water

message: Can we source "Failure to do so could lead to Equine Exertional Rhabdomyolysis, or "tying up," a very serious muscular problem."  I am running across stuff in some magazines that suggests that tying up is genetically triggered...? Montanabw 17:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can come up with a really short little paragraph with the bibliographical source, go for it! Montanabw 23:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tying up 

message: Noting that I have moved previous text to Talk:Equine nutrition/Temp.  Will work on sourcing.  This was overkill as I did not copy the article from Rutgers, though it was a major source. Montanabw 19:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further note:  Article has been footnoted and restored by another admin.  Would suggest to overeager admins in the future to please warn and provide 24 hours to fix rather than an immediate lockdown. Montanabw 01:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem--moving to subpage 

message: Two things should be improved though:
#The section titled 'how to feed' needs to be renamed to 'amount and composition of feed' or something like that. Wikipedia is not a how-to-guide. I passed it nevertheless because it is only the wording of the headline, the content is worded in an encyclopedic tone.
#The writing is not brilliant yet. There are many repetitions: 'horses do graze a lot' is mentioned at least four times throughout the article, sometimes it is necessary for content, sometimes it isn't. At least the caption of the first image needs to be changed, because the fact that horses are grazing is mentioned at least three times during the first screenfull of text. Similarly, replace the repeatedly used word 'horses' by equids or some other noun in a third of the cases.
*Other than that: nice work, good article.--DorisH 16:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article passed

message: I’d like to add some further information to the section ‘Special feeding issues for mules and donkeys’. As this section already touches on, donkeys and mules are very efficient at digesting food, much more so than horses and even ponies and need to be fed accordingly. I’d like to add some information, initially about feeding requirements for your average donkey, and then also cover overweight, underweight and geriatric donkeys. I’m new to Wikipedia, so not entirely familiar with the way things are done, but if anyone has any objections to me adding to this section as follows please let me know. 
Donkeys in their natural environment have evolved to spend long parts of the day (14-16 hours per day) browsing and foraging for food. In their native arid and semi-arid climates this would often be a poor quality, scrubby fibre. Domesticated donkey owners face the challenge of feeding their donkey enough low energy fibre in order to meet their appetite, but in temperate climates the forage available is often too rich and abundant  resulting in weight gain and obesity with further implications including laminitis and hyperlipaemia. Although the donkey’s gastrointestinal tract has no marked differences in structure to that of the horse, it is well documented that ‘donkeys are more efficient at digesting food than horses and, as a consequence, can thrive on less forage than a similar sized pony’.  Smith, David and Wood, Stephanie. Donkey Nutrition. The Professional Handbook of the Donkey Duncan, James and Hadrill, David (2008) Whittet Books. Volume 4: p10.  Research carried out at The Donkey Sanctuary in 2005 established that donkeys need to eat approximately 1.5% of their bodyweight per day in dry matter, Wood, Stephanie, Smith, David and Morris, Catherine. ‘Seasonal variation of digestible energy requirements of mature donkeys in the UK’. “Proceedings Equine Nutrition Conference.” Hanover, Germany. 1-2 October 2005:p39-40.  compare this with 2-2.5 % quoted for horses above. It is not fully understood why donkeys are such efficient digestors but it is thought that compared to horses they may have a different microbial population in the large intestine, another suggestion is increased gut retention time compared to ponies.  Smith DG, Pearson RA. A review of the factors affecting the survival of donkeys in semi-arid regions of sub-Saharan Africa. (Special issue: Nutrition and health of donkeys in the tropics) Tropical Animal Health and Production. 2005. 37: Supplement 1, 1-19. 
Donkeys gain most of their daily energy needs from structural carbohydrates (fibre). An average, healthy donkey will need nothing more than a diet of ad lib feeding straw (preferably barley straw), supplemented with controlled grazing in the summer and hay in the winter. A donkey’s requirement for protein and fat are so low that in practice once the energy requirements are met so too are the protein and fat requirements. Wood, Stephanie, Smith, David and Morris, Catherine. ‘Seasonal variation of digestible energy requirements of mature donkeys in the UK’. “Proceedings Equine Nutrition Conference.” Hanover, Germany. 1-2 October 2005:p39-40.  Cereal based ‘horse’ feeds are often too high in energy levels and will exceed the daily requirements of the donkey, putting them at risk of obesity, laminitis, hyperlipaemia and gastric ulcers.  Burden FA, Gallagher J, Thiemann A, Trawford AF. Necropsy survey of gastric ulcers in a population of aged donkeys: prevalence, lesion description and risk factors. 2009 Animal 3 (2) 287–293.   Even a small amount of grazing or fresh fodder during the spring and summer will provide adequate vitamin levels, so for a normal, healthy donkey a diet of straw plus a little grazing/hay will meet all their nutritional needs; there is no need to over-complicate the diet with unnecessary extra feeds. A low-calorie vitamin and mineral supplement should be given to those on a restricted diet (i.e. for weight loss) year round, and to all donkeys during the winter months.

Liz Hazell-Smith 13:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting!  It's a bit too long and detailed here per WP:UNDUE, though a summary of material that's not already in the article -- with sources-- would be a nice addition. Actually, this in its entirety may also be really good to add to the Donkey article.  How about looking at the section that's there, working in the most relevant bits above where they aren't redundant to what we have, with footnotes in the right place, and I can do a little copyediting and cleanup when you're done.  Montanabw(talk) 21:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok thanks for the help, I'll post it on the Donkey talk page and see if I can get it added there (its locked down for editing). Once I've got it all added there I'll do a summary for this page, and would most appreciate your help with tidying it up etc. 
81.17.71.114 (talk) 13:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I encourage you to get a user name, and then you can edit the locked articles.  (May need a few days and a certain # of edits, if you are still locked out when ready to go, give me a shout on the talk page and I'll help you.)  Montanabw(talk) 19:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: A bit on pasture forage grazing rates here:  http://www.thehorse.com/articles/39911/pasture-management-101-high-traffic-areas-and-overgrowth?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=farm-barn&utm_campaign=12-10-2017
 Montanabw(talk) 20:14, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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