Template talk:Current UK TOCs/Archive 1

message: Is there any reason that the franchises are arranged as they are? There seems to be some bias in terms of the London and South Eastern section - it could be seen to imply that thats the only places where these operators are - should South West trains be here?
Also is this being undermined by the move to multi service level franchises? Should the new Great Western franchise be listed as an InterCity operator given the scale of local services it will have inherited? Ian3055 23:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division 

message: Now that the train operators in Northern Ireland have been added should the title of the template not be Trains Operators in the UK, not British train operators? --Achmelvic 23:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  British or UK 

message: I think it is somewhat questionable that this entry should be in the template as Iarnród Éireann/Irish Rail services within the United Kingdom, i.e. Northern Ireland, are offered jointly (Enterprise) with Northern Ireland Railways rather than exclusively by Iarnród Éireann/Irish Rail?
Djegan 20:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: DART certainly has no place here, and I think Iarnród Éireann’s operations in the U.K. are adequately covered by the Enterprise link in the International section. David Arthur 22:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Iarnród Éireann/Irish Rail

message: There's been some reverting back and forth over the inclusion of railtour operators, so we'd better reach some sort of conclusion over them. Should they be listed in this template? If so, someone better write some decent articles on them. bz2 21:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say I can’t really see any great justification for them to be included, since they aren’t really part of the serious railway system or committed to long-term operations. This template seems to have gone a bit critical in the past few days; I think it’s really a bit excessive to mark open-access operators on the template, since it doesn’t affect their service from a passenger’s point of view and is explained in the articles. David Arthur 22:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Railtour operators

message: As putting the  tag on this template marked all the articles it was included in for speedy deletion I have removed it - I also disagree that it should be deleted. Instead I have nomianted it at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion. Thryduulf 22:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TfD

message: This template was previously nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 April 6#Template:British TOCs. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for deletion 

message: Because it seems that not everybody is content to wait for conensus to arrise here regarding Northern Ireland, I have requested full protection (see WP:RFPP) of the template to stop the revert wars. I urge everybody to act as though this protection was already in place and discuss the Irish question instead of editing the template. Thryduulf 22:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Endorsed.  --RFBailey 08:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definatly seconded, this constant reverting when the majority of people here have reached a compromise is immature. --Achmelvic 08:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection requested

message: *Users who believe the scope of this template should be the United Kingdom:
#--Achmelvic 13:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll

message: Guys (non-gender specific): A few of you are in violation of NPA, some to a degree that might very well merit a temporary "cooling off period", i.e.,block.  To wit, the following statements are utterly uncalled for, "You really don't seem to have the ability to understand anything that has been said above countless times do you","Well, fancy seeing you here laughing boy.", "Why are you so obtuse? "in case you're feeling a little slow.", "Keep on crusading laughing boy".  I think everyone needs to take a deep breath, maybe have a soothing cup of tea, and come back to the article remember that  personal attacks are against policy and realy serve no purpose and  that just because you are frustrated goes not give you the right to behave in an obnoxious manner.  Finally, rather than revel in ad hominem attacks, go after the statement, not the author. •Jim62sch• 09:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[NPA]] vios

message: Right, conclusion to this silliness:
* We have voted 9-4 that NIR is not part of the British network.  There is unlikely to be more people joining in in the near future.
* We have previously decided Talk:Rail transport in the United Kingdom/Alternate naming schemes at about 6-1
This is consensus.  It is up to those wishing to overturn this to convince people of the worthiness of treating 11/2 networks together. — Dunc|☺ 15:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion 

message: It is being reported on several rail discussion boards that grand central's start date has been put back to May 2007 as they need to convert their new HST powercars to work with the Loco Hauled Mk3s they've bought - not a small job. --Enotayokel 20:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Central 

message: The title of this template is Current scheduled passenger train operators, yet Wrexham and Shropshire had not yet been granted approval by the Office of Rail Regulation, as stated on their home page, therefore they are not a scheduled operator and should yet be included in the template. --Jorvik 22:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless we add a new section for proposed TOCs then Wrexham and Shropshire don't belong on this template until they have been given permission to operate. Thryduulf 23:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we add a "proposed section" then or would it be too much clutter? WSMR, Grand Central and Grand Union come to mind. Simply south 00:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grand Central are more than just proposed, so that just leaves Grand Union and WSMR. Another possibility is to add a see-also line to former TOCs and proposed TOCs templates/articles/sections. Make a mockup for these two here, and any other options you think might work, so we can agree on what we like without edit waring over the main template as has happened in the past. Thryduulf 11:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrexham and Shropshire 

message: Since it's no longer an independent company and now just a brand, should it still be listed as a TOC?
2002: Island Line is a wholly owned subsidary of the Stagecoach Group PLC
2007: Island Line is a brand name of Stagecoach South Western Trains Ltd
--82.45.163.4 13:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've asked a similar question at Talk:Island Line, Isle of Wight Pickle 13:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I've never found a criteria for why lines are categorised like this. If you read any of the Network Rail stuff they classify lines as "Primary", "Secondary", "London & SE commuter", "Rural" and "Freight". Our (Wikipedia) classification doesn't always seam to correlate (main line, commuter, rural and freight). However looking at the 2006 business plan for the South Western Main Line by Network Rail  - the Island Line is also classified as Rural. Perhaps we need to establish some criteria for classification of rail lines at List of railway lines in Great Britain. Pickle 12:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Island Line again 

message: What status makes Island Line a rural line? Simply south 14:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never found a criteria for why lines are categorised like this. If you read any of the Network Rail stuff they classify lines as "Primary", "Secondary", "London & SE commuter", "Rural" and "Freight". Our (Wikipedia) classification doesn't always seam to correlate (main line, commuter, rural and freight). However looking at the 2006 business plan for the South Western Main Line by Network Rail  - the Island Line is also classified as Rural. Perhaps we need to establish some criteria for classification of rail lines at List of railway lines in Great Britain. Pickle 12:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Status