Talk:Journeyman (TV series)

message: The first thing anybody wants to know about a new TV series (or movie, or book, or sonnet...) is "What is it about?"--Isaac R 19:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not even a stub 

message: What is that rock song playing in the background on one of the commercials? icelandic hurricane #12(talk) 02:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement song

message: : The show is a direct lift of the novel The Time Traveller's Wife That should be linked in there somewhere, but i'm not sure where. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.191.33.106 (talk • contribs) 02:17, October 16, 2007
Sorry but no. The only similarity is that he travels in time and has a wife that has trouble with it. End of similarities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.172.41.13 (talk • contribs) 00:29, October 17, 2007
:Actually, I think that the comparisons between Journeyman and The Time Traveler's Wife are noteworthy.  More to the point, the show's creator has spoken about the comparison (and the comparison with Quantum Leap).  I think that this suggests that the similarities are worth mention.  I also found a column from the Philadelphia Inquirer which makes the comparison with TTW.  I think that's enough for the beginning of a "connections" section, don't you? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Time Traveller's Wife''

message: As per a request for re-assessment I have looked at this article. It is still a stub. The plot summary needs to be rewritten in original prose instead of cut and paste from the official site. Start a critical response section and cite some reviews of the upcoming pilot.--Opark 77 09:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, clarified this Cipriano 21:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article assessment

message: Otto4711 recently blanked Katie Vasser and Dan Vasser, and redirected them to this page. I looked for some sort of discussion about this, as he cites notability being the reason. If there was a discussion about this, please let me know, otherwise I will undo the blanking and start a discussion. Acidskater 16:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: considering that the pages for Katie Vasser and Dan Vasser are currently just copies of the main Journeyman page, i would agree with Otto4711's decision to blank and redirect them.  at least until the season progresses to the point where the characters are complicated enough to warrant their own pages.  —damnreds (☠|☠) 16:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirection of Characters

message: "On at least one ocassion, his cell phone was "transfomed" into one which would connect with service in the past." - Can someone source this?  I don't recall this happening.  I know in one episode he found an old cell-phone of his and started carrying it (and stole a matching charger from his past-self for it, since his wife had sold the charger in a box of junk some time prior to the series starting).  And I recall that the "no service" flashing on the cellphone screen was used in at least one ep to indicate that he'd jumped back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.226.176.142 (talk • contribs) 20:03, October 16, 2007
:You're correct: whoever put that bit in seems to have missed the episode in which Dan stole the cell phone charger from himself. He's got an iPhone (which works in the present) and a clunky old "brick" cell phone (which works in some time periods in the past, but presumably not all).  The iPhone doesn't "transform". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source?  Not sure on this

message: I posted something like this on the main page, it was removed so I'll put it here:
Was Dad's father also a Journeyman? The Scientist jokes about Dan making a time machine, talks about Dan's father, and then calls Dan when he is in the past. All leading me to suspect both Dan's father and the scientist are involved in the time travel.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.133.72 (talk) 12:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dan's father?

message: I think there should be a section about the historical references (clothes, music, etc) to whatever period of time Dan visits. It's pretty obvious if you watch the show, and the concept would suggest such a thing, but a section about it would be interesting.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.147.173 (talk) 17:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would also be a magnet for original research.  I understand the temptation, but that sort of thing is really better left to fan wikis, unless you can find a reliable source which talks about it.  The same goes for anachronisms, etc. — it would be interesting to include that information, but unfortunately WP:NOR really doesn't allow it here. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section 

message: I missed the first episode, and every time I watch the opening sequence I get very confused.  In at least two different scenes, Dan's brother seems to be aware that Dan believes himself to be travelling back in time.  In one scene he explicitly mentions going back into the past; in another he tells Dan's wife that "whatever Dan is doing" is taking him back to Livia, whom everyone assumes is dead.  Am I taking these too out of context or is there some discrepancy here?  Kutulu 00:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to find the same information, and I saw the 1st ep.  It might have come up or not, I don't remember, but I have been wondering about it.  Maybe something from an unaird pilot? Or perhaps he's speaking metaphorically, like whatever Dan's doing is making him go back into his past habits of compulsive gambling. Fitfatfighter 09:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To the best of my recollection, Dan tells his brother what happened in the pilot, and his brother dismisses it as an excuse or dream or lie. Since then, his brother has shown no sign that he believes or recalls Dan telling him that. As for the Livia thing, I think that was a non-literal reference to suggest that Dan was thinking about Livia, or feeling his love for her again - not literally going to her. TheHYPO (talk) 11:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does Dan's brother know? 

message: It might would be appropriate to put a note in the article that this show is on the chopping block (regrettably). But I'm not sure where it should be put. Perhaps it is best to wait until there is definitive news. -Nodekeeper (talk) 10:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until there's an official announcement, this is a rumour, nothing more. It's probably best to wait for official word. TheHYPO (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the writer's strike and the low ratings, it is safe to assume the show is dead.  Pity.  However, if there is something to get out of the strike, it's that we probably got a few more episodes broadcast than normal as NBC had to fill time and had bought the episodes.  As far as the mysteries of the show, there where plenty more.  While we learned his wife and brother believed in his "journeys" at the end, and that Livia was a person who journeyed forward, there are many unanswered questions.  The scientist told Dan he was the last, and he refuted it, probably citing Livia, though it is probable he can't bring himself to research her fate.  Indeed, the scientist didn't seem to have a good grasp on things; the journeyers for the most part (according to his theory) went FORWARD in time and brought back artifacts to explain scientific developments.  Livia may have been the LAST of the forward Journeypersons, but Dan might have been the first of the past Journeymen.
The show would have also have had the crazy love situations.  Dan loved Livia in the past, and moved on, and loved Katie.  Livia lost her "future life"  and moved on and was only a few hours away from marrying Henry in her present, then got hit with Dan's journey's.  The new plot situations were endless.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) 13:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible cancellation? 

message: Perhaps we can put show trivia requests here?
  
Can anyone update the page to indicate if the show is actually shot in San Francisco or just set there?  FTM, probably not worth being on the main page, but can anyone identify the neighborhood where the Vassar's house is supposed to be?  Nate (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be no trivia in wikipedia articles. No requests should be made for it. TheHYPO (talk) 06:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strictly speaking, the guideline discourages trivia in favour of sourced, relevant information. While we certainly don't want user theories, "this is just like that other show"-isms, and the like, there are relevant details (such as the question about where it is shot) that may not have a "best-fit" section as of yet. We don't want to discourage stuff like that. --Ckatzchatspy 06:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Should there be any mention about the old computer game The Journeyman Project? The title and content (time travel) seem too close to be coincidence. -=Worloq=- 03:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already discussed above at #Relation to the video game series?. If you have any SOURCE that shows that the creators derrived anything from that series, please cite it. Otherwise, it's just speculation TheHYPO 04:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Journeyman Project 

message: The ratings I get on the http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/display/display_main.aspx?searchparams=journeyman&typecode=DNR[source listed] (abc media net) don't jive with what's listed.
Eg:
release on Nov 27: "The Bachelor" scored season-best numbers of its own, outperforming NBC's "Journeyman" in the hour by 5.6 million viewers (11.2 million vs. 5.6 million) and by 91% in Adults 18-49 (4.2/11 vs. 2.2/6).
But 5.6 isn't shown on the ratings charge for viewers, and the rating for adults shown here is 2.3/6. (for the episode Emily)
The previous week does jive, but other weeks are off a bit from ABC's releases.
Where in the first source shows "Last week’s numbers" for journeyman (while giving ratings for Life on Monday slot: 
Households - 3.7/6 
Viewers - 6.05M 
Adults 18-49 - 2.4/6 
Whereas this article, for Blowback, lists 3.8/6, 6.21m viewers, and 2.5/6 in 18-49. What source are 
Looking further, I also find that on the 26th itself, the same site listed ratings as (3.8/6 HH rating/share, 6.18M viewers, 2.5/6 A18-49 rating/share). 
I don't know if ratings are constantly reevaluated or whatnot, but if there's no final number set, we shouldn't be listing ratings at all. TheHYPO (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what i could understand of it there was a mix of ratings. Now it is all finals. When you get the data from Your Entertainment Now the previous episode's data is finals while the then-current episode's data is overnight. They are not the same and really ought to not be compared but they are, which gives a source for the info. If you want overnight you get it from the post titled for that day; if you want final you get it from the next week's comparison. Getting 20some references should fill in much of the gap and clear up the confusion. There is a post from Bill over at TVByTheNumbers that has demographic viewers and demographic time slot ranking data. but that might be getting too picky for the average reader. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 00:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings? 

message: In the episode "The Hanged Man" it is revealed at the end that Livia was born on March 3rd, 1923.  This would make her 25--10 years younger than Dan.  Is this correct or another plot oversight?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.197.19.240 (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When was this revealed? (I'm not denying it, I just don't remember seeing it) I don't see why should couldn't be younger than Dan. Actually, now that I think about it, She spent a good number of years in Dan's time. We have no idea if she missed an equal number of years in the past, or went back to the same year she left, but a lot older. No way to know. TheHYPO (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's right at the very end of the episode.  I think it's safe to assume that Livia is older than 25.  She lets on that she got stuck in her "future" sometime in the late 80s or early 90s (remember Dan runs into her at a rave during "Emily"), at which point she meets Dan only to disappear 9 years before the series begins (1998).  Thus when she goes back to 1948, she is indeed older than 25.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.197.19.240 (talk) 18:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Livia's age? 

message: Currently there are two opposing sentences in the article. In the heading:
As of April 02, 2008 the show has not officially been canceled by NBC.
and in the Production section:
As of April 02, 2008 the show has officially been canceled by NBC.
One of them is obviously wrong. Please correct whoever know what is correct. And please provide a source. /Cygnus78 (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a fan of the show, I've been looking for news of its renewal or cancellation, and have not seen anything saying it has been renewed, but also, nothing "officially" cancelling it.  I think until we have definitive information, we should remove both statements, as they are speculative at best.  Thoughts?  --P shadoh (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I've found news of its official cancellation, straight from MSNBC.  I've updated the article to add the reference that reflects this. --P shadoh (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, and we get Knight Rider redux in exchange? Some NBC network executive, somewhere, is in dire need of a vicious beating. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 12:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancellation 

message: Any sources which compare this series to LoM? CapnZapp (talk) 09:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life on Mars 

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