Talk:Platonic idealism

message: I've been dealing with Platonism in math for 50 years becaause of the implication that mathematicians are elitist shamans. I started college only after serving 1941-45 in Military Service and after marriage. A woman working with my wife told her I was negelcting my wife and marriage by studying math, physics, history, German, French, etc., because I should remember these and other subjects from my origin in Heaven. She said she could remember all of Calculus if she tried, but she didn't have time for this. She said I was lazy or stubborn to study such subjects instead of trying to remember them, implying that this was heretical. I don't know if he was aware of it, but platonism is one reason for that dire warning of the late Carl Sagan which I quote in
http://members.fortunecity.com/jonhays/sagan.htm. Is any one else concerned about this?jonhays 01:32, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not really. The first thing you should have remembered was that anamnesis is not an important part of Plato's philosophy--MWAK 15:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: (Early conversation)

message: Neo Platonism is not based on Plato. Its based on Platonius. The founder of Philosophical Gnosticism. (Nous, Gnosis, and all that jazz) And he is not related to plato. Some people try to rationalize that he was influenced by Plato. I think thats mainly because they acidently attributed it to plato and then try to rationalize it after the fact though.  --Jaynus _Izanagi 01:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Neoplatonism is distinct, but derived from platonism.  The misunderstanding here may be due to Jaynus misspelling of Plotinus.  --Blainster 10:16, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's hope so: it might be based on Harriet Dallas's book :o).--MWAK 15:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plato Neoplatonism ???? 

message: It seems that this article is either duplicating or competing with Platonic realism, in which article the intro says, "Platonic realism is also called Platonic idealism, Plato's theory of universals, Platonism, or just 'realism' for short." There is a whole family of articles related to Plato where there is much repetition and as well, contradiction. There should probably be a Platonism template and an effort to consolidate some of the articles. --HK 14:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another related issue

message: and poorly sourced. It keeps talking about "some commentators" or "these commentators" and "some contemporary linguists" but it never cites, quotes, or names anyone! (TheDecanome (talk) 03:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is too vague 

message: Please spare us the postmodern-deconstruction-speak.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.66.226.242 (talk) 06:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to be translated into English 

message: I just read the entire page and it didn't once mention what a platonic ideal is.  I don't know if this is just a copy-paste job from a book or something, but if it's this bad it should just be deleted or something.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.151.173.219 (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. This is one of the few times I've come to Wikipedia to look something up and actually come away from it knowing less than I knew before coming in the first time. This should either be deleted or re-written by someone else.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.36.52.254 (talk) 22:20, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yup, easily the worst Wikipedia article I've ever read.  At the very least, it should cover the English phrase "the Platonic ideal of a..." and explain (in a way that's easily graspable by non-philosophy-majors) the basis in Plato's philosophy for that phrase meaning, approximately, "the ultimate example of a...".  --Dan Harkless (talk) 08:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF 

message: Others have mentioned this above, and I completely agree.  For one, the two terms mean literally the same thing. For two, "platonic idealism" is quite the confusing term of the two, for which you will also find support above. As the article on platonic realism correctly notes, "platonic idealism" should "not be confused with idealism as presented by philosophers such as George Berkeley: as Platonic abstractions are not spatial, temporal, or mental." The problem is that "platonic idealism" looks like "platonic" is modifying "idealism". "It's idealism, just the platonic kind", but this is false. "Platonic idea" i. e. the Forms is the noun here, just with an additional "ism". It's not platonic + idea-ism, it's platonic idea + ism. Plato did not ascribe to the "way of ideas" of the idealists influenced by Descartes and Locke. Cake (talk) 05:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also support redirecting to Platonic realism. I'm interested to know if any page watchers actually disagree with this proposal. If not, I'll just go ahead and do it. Dan from A.P. (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Article should be redirected to Platonic realism