Talk:Michael Oren

message: I don't know if those criticisms are notable or relevant, but I separated them from his biographical details. —Quiddity 04:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms 

message: I think that the fact that Oren, born a citizen of the USA and now an officer and propagandist for a foreign military should be highlighted.
Is he still an American citizen?
I don't get it, is he an Israeli who just happened to be born in the USA or an American who later on got the Israeli citizenship for the simple fact that he is a Zionist Jew to fight off the Christian and Muslim Palestinians?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.133.15 (talk) 16:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving house to a new country is not inherently an act of treason. Also, you might like to read through Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons before commenting further. Thanks. --Quiddity 04:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I certainly would not call Oren a traitor, he is a historian, not a "propagandist."  However, I believe that serving in a foreign military is automatic forfeiture of American citizenship, and it explicity states that on American passports. Amssports06 14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, serving in a foreign military CAN lead to forfeiture of your citizenship, but it is certainly not automatic. Think of all the Americans who volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War, WW1 and WWII before the US entered - many are now regarded as American heroes. Further, although I did not read the WSJ piece, what Oren says in Power, Faith and Fantasy is very different from what you are claiming he says. He doesn't say that American supported the Jews right to Zion starting with the Pilgrims - he describes the restorationist movement which was prevalent in American society in the 19th century and aimed to bring Jews back to Palestine because thats what they believed their religion required. They also hoped to covert these Jews to Christianity. The stuff about Truman's doubts about Israel and the meeting his friend insisted that he take is in the book. GabrielF 19:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship/Possible Treason to the USA 

message: a few days ago CNN broadcasted a live interview with oren in a battle dress ready to fight with the ZAHAL in gaza as a reservist. he said he feels "privileged" to serve this army and also that he was chosen as a kind of military spokesperson for western media. maybe someone has another source, as i'm not sure whether a tv broadcast (from which i don't remember the exact title and date) is a recognised source for wikipedia.--Severino (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008/09 Gaza

message: I am unsure how most of this article's content came about.  There are almost no citations in the bulk of the text.  Almost every citation is to a book review in the section about his books.  How do we know any of these statements about his life, IDF service and his current affiliations are true?    All of the biographical details in this article need to be sourced for this to follow Wikipedia's proper format and high standards.  --John Bahrain (talk) 14:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations are need for a proper wikipedia article. 

message: The Israel apologetics are having a field day editing this page, so let's make one thing perfectly clear: academic, published criticism should always be noted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoplifter (talk • contribs) 11:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Stupid idiot, you are obviously too much of a moron to understand what the term genocide is. Go jump off a cliff along with the rest of your Communazi friends.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.185.237.37 (talk) 01:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Where is the source to support this? Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  He then forfeited his United States' citizenship in order to accept the post. 

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message: User:James swimmer  has been making unsourced claims that Oren divorced in 2017 , and removing the sourced material about his wife . I have not been able to verify the claimed divorce, but even it that were correct I see no reason to remove all of the information about his wife of 35 years. Meters (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: And now User:Michaelscottoren , who claims to be the subject of the article, is making the identical edits. Can anyone verify the divorce? Meters (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The  user first claimed that the 2017 divorce could be sourced to "Hebrew language issue of Haaretz Newspaper dated 1.20.17" but actually used a source from a 2015 English story . Searching the English website for January does not show any mention of Michael Oren's divorce Then stated that it happened on January 12, 2017 and could be confirmed as "published in Maariv hebrew newspaper"   but with no source or even date for the publication. The webpage for Maariv is http://www.maariv.co.il/ Searching on "Michael Oren" does not find a link, but then, I don't read Hebrew so it's quite possible a native reader/writer would be able to find it. Meters (talk) 23:00, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: There's currently a lack of consensus for the inclusion of this material. Several editors have objected, at this article and on related pages. I'm preserving it here by providing this link. 
Since the Talk page discussion has not led to a consensus, discussing at WP:NPOVN or WP:BLPN may be a good idea. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sort of policy based objection to inclusion, in light of the continued and wide coverage of this, would be in order. Beyond attacking the BLP above, your rationale was WP:NOTNEWS in relation to a brief newscycle - merits of such an argument aside - these comments (and similar comments - as he has spoken to a number of outlets independently) - have been demonstrated above to persist for multiple news cycles. I suppose we will have to go the NPOV/n or RfC route - despite the rather clear expected results.Icewhiz (talk) 05:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: The discussion at NPOVN is still on-going. I suggest holding off on reverts until it concludes: 
*Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Michael_Oren_on_the_Tamimi_family
K.e.coffman (talk) 23:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOVN

message: External link to his official site should go to https://michaeloren.org/ not https://michaeloren.com/ which redirects to spam site 2600:1700:99C0:247F:2D0B:220C:2888:EEE1 (talk) 23:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update external link