Talk:Grosse Ile Township, Michigan

message: *  What does this mean:  "In 2001, Grosse Ile was ranked the highest out of 88 school districts in Michigan by the Detroit News. [1]"  Highest in what? Thats a very vauge statement that doesn't make sense. 
*  According to Detroit News analysis, the Grosse Ile School District ranked the best overall among school districts in Metro Detroit during 2001.  The Detroit News published an article on March 4, 2001 that stated the following: "Grosse Ile moved to the head of the class among Metro Detroit school districts in the 2001 Detroit News School Report card. The island school district in southern Wayne County topped 87 other districts in Wayne, Oakland, Macomb and Livingston counties. The News, which published its first school report card in the 1999-2000 school year, grades districts on 12 key education factors, including test scores, teacher experience, class size, accreditation and drop-out rate. It is the most comprehensive analyses of area school districts."  Source:  http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2001/reportcard/index.htm.Mhistory 23 June 2006.
* I grew up in Grosse Ile and visit there frequently, and the "toll bridge" is white, not yellow.  I'm going to change this.
:I have lived on Grosse Ile my entire life and have always thought of the bridge as yellow. This isn't worth starting an edit war, but I'm going to take a nice good close look at it when I go home for spring break. Isopropyl 05:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: The recent changes to this article included blocks of text copied right from the copyrighted histories on the township website . Other material was reworked sufficiently to aviod copyright issues. I do not have time this week to sort through this; however, I believe that much of the material and be recovered and easily rewritten. [User:rmhermen] 20:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: None of the text from the articles (http://www.grosseile.com/community/history/index.html) that members of the Grosse Ile Historical Society provided to the Grosse Ile Township Web site is copyrighted.  The township's Web site administrator placed a copyright claim at the bottom of every page on the township's Web site; however, this claim for the Web site does not apply to information that members of the Society have provided (nor does it apply to a lot of other information on the site).  
Specifically, the "Quick History of Grosse Ile" is not a copyrighted document.  The Society provides this document, written by a long-time member of the Society, to the public at no cost.
Moreover, the author of the "Quick History of Grosse Ile" document has no objection to use of sentences or paragraphs of information from this document without attribution (attribution would only be requested for using the entire text without changes).  
All the basic facts (names, dates, places, actions, etc...) in this document were obtained from multiple sources and the author makes no claim to proprietary knowledge.  These facts are well-known to people who care about providing the public with a factually correct, and relevant, history of Grosse Ile (unlike the person who posted the claims that there was a tunnel under the Livingstone Channel and some obscure rock band may have once played on the island).  If it would be helpful, the author is willing to discuss this matter by e-mail. [User:Mihistory1] 4 January 2006
:Under U.S. and international law, every text is automatically copyrighted by the simple act of publishing it. That includes publishing it on the web, the important detail is the creative act of arranging the words and releasing them to the public. We cannot use copyrighted material without a release into the public domain or under the GFDL by the author/owners that is mailed to Wikipedia or through independantly verified emails. 
But there is no reason to use anyone's copyrighted material to convey these facts. Just rewrite it yourself! Rmhermen 00:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments about recent changes 

message: The history of Grosse Ile article edited by Mihistory1 will be revised and re-submitted to avoid any perceived theoretical copyright infringement with a previously published document.  It is commendable that Wikipedia's editors are diligent in the protection of copyrighted materials.
The main point of the previous "Comments about recent changes" is that the Grosse Ile Township's decision to assert copyright protection (i.e.,  copyright registration) for it's Web site does not apply to the articles posted on it by members of the Grosse Ile Historical Society.  The authors of these articles have not sought copyright protection and the historical facts in these articles have been in the public domain for a long time.
U.S. copyright law normally does not protect basic descriptions of historical facts -- dates of events, names and titles of public figures, geographic locations and descriptions of structures observed from public roads or property, etc... The facts in the Grosse Ile history article submitted by Mihistory1 have been in the public domain (in a number of different sources) for many years.    
The author of a "Quick History of Grosse Ile" is very willing to provide a waiver of any implicit theoretical copyright protection, but as you note, it's probably just as easy to revise a few sentences to make the new article completely "original" for use in Wikipedia.   [User:Mihistory1] 14 January 2006.
:There is no such thing as an "implicit theoretical" copyright. Under international treaty law to which the U.S. is a party, the creative content of any material is automatically copyrighted upon publication regardless of any lack of claims by the author. No one needs to seek or assert copyright, it merely exists. Facts cannot be copyrighted; however, the style of presentation of those facts can (excluding obvious, natural organizations like alphebetical ordering.) "descriptions of structures observed from public roads or property" are most certainly protected. Rmhermen 05:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: I grew up on this little island, and still live there when I'm not at school, so I know a fair amount about it. I just don't really know what to put on the page. What kind of information should we use to flesh out this article? Isopropyl 05:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to do? 

message: Is there an authoritative source that says this is THE oldest farm in Michigan? Seems a little dubious. The farm dates from 1776. The French were here long before that, I'm sure at least some of them farmed. And the Pottawatomi engaged in cultivation as well long before the French. Now what could well be true is that it is the oldest farm still owned (or continuously owned) by the same family. 
And FYI, this page from the EPA has quite a lot of good information. older ≠ wiser 01:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I'd like to remind you that there is another much more important Grosse Ile in the St.Lawrence river that was used as an immigrant quarantine station from 1832 to 1937. it does not have its own article, so I feel the need to create a disambiguation page for Grosse Ile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrovic-Njegos (talk • contribs) 
:Grosse-Île, Canada's role as the major immigration processing center in that country between 1832 and 1937 is definitely historically noteworthy and certainly merits an article in Wikipedia.  But, I'm not sure why it is necessary or worthwhile to compare this location in Canada to the Grosse Ile in Michigan in terms of which is more "important."  Stating that Grosse-Île, Canada is "much more important" than Grosse Ile, Michigan is a completely relative statement.  Grosse Île and the Irish Memorial National Historic Site of Canada is owned and operated by the Canadian federal government (http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/qc/grosseile/index_e.asp).  Grosse Ile, Michigan is predominantly a residential community of 11,000 people that features many significant historic sites and has been the home of numerous residents who made noteworthy achievements during its 230 year history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Ile#History).  I agree that a disambiguation page may be worthwhile if readers are seeking information Grosse-Île, Canada and only finding information about Grosse Ile, Michigan; however, I don't think one can make the statement that either location is "much more important" than the other since both places played, and continue to play, very different roles in their respective nations. Mhistory 14 July 2006.
::In any case, it's a moot point until someone writes the article for the other island. No sense in creating a disambig page if the other article doesn't exist yet. Isopropyl 05:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTH?  

message: I just added a passage about Lewis and Clark's exploration of Grosse Ile. Why has this been deleted? Is Wikipedia an organization that doesn't want to hear the truth? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.93.115 (talk • contribs). 03:12, January 20, 2007) (UTC)
:I removed it because you did not provide any source to verify the information, and based on what I know of their expedition, it seemed unlikely that they stopped in Grosse Ile. If you can provide a verifiable source that indicates otherwise, that would be interesting. older ≠ wiser 13:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lewis and Clark in Grosse Ile

message: What's the deal with the location image? Grosse Ile is an island, and yet it shows it here appearing to be on land. - Unforgiven24 Talk|Contribs 23:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed that myself quite some time ago, but I figured it just showed the boundaries in no regards to the waterway separating Grosse Ile from the mainland.  I've also wondered why Grosse Ile (the island) doesn't have it's own distinct article to seperate it from Grosse Ile (the township). —Notorious4life (talk) 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: I thinned out the bios a little. I suspect the section is a little wordy because no one really got born on Gross Ile, they had to get born at a hospital in another town. Then they grew up on Gross Ile or bought land there when they got rich. I haven't dug to the bottom on that; it's just a hunch. If someone can suggest a solution, please let me know and I will do the editing.Literaturegirl (talk) 16:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: "When not dressing up as chainsaw-wielding maniacs, GIYRA coordinates the youth sporting events for the island children."
*  7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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