Talk:Kathak

message: Hi, I am a Kathak practitioner and would like to share few facts that have recently been discovered. These are a couple of literary references from fourth century BC and third century BC that refer to Kathak dancers. The two texts were discovered in the archives  
These are as follows:
‘maggasirasuddhapakkhe nakkhhate varanaseeye nayareeye uttarpuratthime diseebhage gangaye mahanadeeye tate savvokathako bhingarnatenam teese stuti kayam yehi raya adinaho bhavenam passayi’
(ancient Prakrit text, 4th century BC)
(ie In the month of magha, in the period of shukla paksha nakshatra, to the north west of Varanasi, on the banks of the Ganges, the shringar dance of the kathaks in praise of God, pleased Lord Adinatha).
(The Prakrit text in Prakrit script is available with me)
B:	3rd century BC Sanskrit shloka:
…….anahat …. nrityadharmam kathakaccha devalokam …..
		                                                                     (Mithila, late Mauryan period)
{ie ‘ …. sound …. and the Kathaks whose duty is dance towards devalok or heaven…..’}
C:
The 2 verses from the Mahabharata also refer to Kathaks:
‘Kathakscapare rajan sravanasca vanaukasahadivyakhyanani ye ca’pi pathanti madhuram dwijaha’                    
                                                        (Mahabharata, verse 1.206.2-4, Adiparva)
{ie With the king on the way to the forest were the Kathakas pleasing to the eyes and ears as they sang and narrated sweetly ….} Here the emphasis on ‘pleasing to the eyes’ is indication of the performing aspect of the ‘Kathaks’.
The other verse is from the Anusasnika Parva.
In post Christian era, there is reference to Kathak in the Harsha charita of Bana
This information could be included in your main text.
Regards
Shovana Narayan
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Hi, I think there is a lot of repetition in the article.  And it is patchy.  For one, the length on Muslim influences is just too long, without much detail.  If others have questions, let us discuss it here. Chaipau 22:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: This section does not beong to this article, which is about the dance form.  The section rightfully belongs in its own article. Chaipau 11:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to disagree. As you know art is not static, it continually evolves. Kathak Yoga represents an evolution of the dance form. The different gharanas were an innovation in their time, Kathak Yoga is a recent innovation. Please tell me if there have been any other major innovations. I can edit it for content but an article by itself is not justified. As we know there are many Kathak artists and the beauty of Kathak is that it is not dominated by one artist but is like an Indian garden, each artist comes and cross-pollinates the art. This is not fusion but innovation within the tradtion. Kathak yoga includes all the elements of kathak.
--Jpamnani 17:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The extensive treatment that is given to Kathak Yoga means it deserves its own place on Wikipedia.  As you see, the Lucknow and the Jaipur Gharana themselves are not treated extensively in this article.  As the Kathak article becomes bigger, they too will find their own rightful place in Wikipedia. I suggest -- mention Kathak Yoga in the Kathak article, and then give it the extensive treatment in the main article.  This in no way means Kathak Yoga is not part of Kathak, because Wikipedia cannot decide on this issue. Chaipau
I think it is very rude of you to remove this article, I request you put this article back (and modify) or I will. --Jpamnani 01:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, deep breath and stay cool.  (See: Wikipedia:Etiquette).   I don't know much about yoga, but can you and User:Chaipau work this out as reasonable people?  GChriss 03:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is about Kathak, the dance form.  Kathak Yoga and other innovations deserve mention here.  Agreed.  But they should not crowd out the main article.  Here, the main points of departure (or innovations) with respect to the canonical form should be mentioned.  For more details a separate article on Kathak Yoga is more appropriate. Chaipau 18:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kathak Yoga 

message: I think it would be useful to add links to this article to the websites of kathak exponents
such as Rani Khannam or Janaki Patrik.  
Please let me know if there are any objections to this otherwise I will continue to do so.
I had difficulty finding a teacher in my area and I think it's useful in connecting students and teachers to do this.
: It is great to have links.  You could also try List of Kathak dancers to add and link.
: Chaipau 21:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding kathak exponents' contact information  

message: In this interview, Nitin Sawhney makes reference to a Kathak bhol - "Well I don't use dances on stage but on the visuals. I'm very into visual statements. And also tracks like The Conference even incorporate Kathak bhols from people like Birju Maharaj. The first part of The Conference actually uses one of the classic Khatak bhols from Birju Maharaj who's the greatfather at the moment of Kathak.". What would a bhol be? thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Tagishsimon, bhol in this context seems to be a mis-transliteration of bol; there's more information at that article.  H1es- (talk) 12:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kathak bhol question

message: You are edit warring with content based on websites/blogs and such sources. Please see WP:RS and WP:WWIN, then explain why your sources/edits meet these guidelines. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blogs/Non-RS 

message: welcome to wikipedia. Please review wikipedia's content policies and guidelines particularly about reliable sources, WP:LEAD and inappropriate content. What are your concerns with this article? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Kathak is a South Asian dance form in general, not only Indian. Everyone knows this. But why the removal of Muslim connections? Everyone in India knows that kathak is a Muslim dance form (In the sense that Muslims have traditionally never done any other dance form). All my sources were reliable. RahulRamchandani (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That "everyone in India knows..." and "Everyone knows this" is a pretentious claim to know what everyone knows! That omniscience is your personal flawed opinion / prejudice / wisdom, which is inappropriate for wikipedia. Please do not edit war over it, or attempt WP:LEADFIX. What you added was inappropriate summary. I did check, re-summarize source you added and moved it into the main article, few days ago. It is not appropriate for the lead per WP:LEAD. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 07:19, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-RS sources and insertion of unsourced content 

message: This image already shows that a courtly dance existed even during Gupta era when women already dressed in churidar dress and long tunics very identical to kathak dancers today which would be able to produce whirling moves which are being declared Persian or central asian, why is there a waist band shon in the figure why she needs to wear this waist band just like modern kathak dancers, obviously she is doing so in order to make whirling moves which may otherwise result in not very pleasant moves. Here is a figurine of mauryan court dancer not wearing sari but tight blouse and long skirt and trousers (this dress is also used by kathak dancers today) which would be perfectly able to produce whirling dance moves which is declared persian. The long tunic dresses in south asia can be traced to indus valley civilization times at least in the terracotta models of lady of the spiked throne. To expect that mauryan or gupta court dances were devoted to religion or there was no concept of even folk dancing like Kalbeliya which already uses whirling moves and was also changed by the central asian cultural influence would be very erroneous and there were no Mujra dancers in the red light districts in ancient india and every dance was devoted to shiva or vishnu, these are very european centred assumptions just because we only have religious texts surviving and not many courtly texts from the secular lives of the indians. We also dont have any record of persian courtly dance before islamic invasion just like we dont have records of imperial courts of the guptas or the mauryas so how do we automatically assume that kathak was persinised?, in islamic tradition it became taboo to dance and perform erotic manuvers so how do we know that these erotic dance moves were from the persians. the mindset of european scholars is premeditated in declaring many indian traditions which may minutely resemble other cutures as derivitives of foreign elements without any proper research.  202.188.53.210 (talk) 20:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  serious reservations on ''central asian''/''Persian'' analogy 

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message: G6bjnjubn 193.188.113.120 (talk) 07:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Janiki Prasad 

message: Name the kathak season 2405:204:A21A:EE85:A181:B904:391:B57E (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: One of old dance form 45.117.28.2 (talk) 05:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kathak