Talk:Kokkina

message: This article was written because very little information pertaining to this siege is available.  It shows the TC's resistance against the GC's in a different light than what is usually put out by the oh-so-efficient GC propaganda machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatkiwi (talk • contribs) 01:02, 5 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: This article now has a disputed marker because of the following:
1:It refers to an event by presenting the writer's POV and does not state different opinions or the fact that other POVs exist.
2:It is written by one particular user without consultation or review by others.
3:It is not neutrally worded or encyclopedic in nature.
4:No references cited at all.--Jsone 11:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, shut up. Handle your own atrocities then wave a finger at Turks.--Kagan the Barbarian 21:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally disputed 

message: * British Columnist David Carter
* Cyprus Today Magazine
* Los Angeles Hon. Representative for the TRNC
* Bayrak Radio and Television Corporation—Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatkiwi (talk • contribs) 03:31, 7 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My References for this article 

message: I don't know how others missed it but it sure couldn't get away from UNFanatic's super-human observation skills. He changed all the "Erenköy/Kokkina"s in the article to "Kokkina/Erenköy". Thanks for clearing that out fellow Greek, another battle won for GCs perhaps?--Kagan the Barbarian 21:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNFanatic's vital editing 

message: The place was mostly inhabited by Turks even before the Republic of Cyprus. Currently it is a part of TRNC. So its Turkish name must be used primarily and the article must be redirected to Erenköy exclave.--Hattusili 16:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree and wonder why all those enthusiast users about Cyprus issues have never opined on this... --E4024 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Erenköy in German WP. --E4024 (talk) 10:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erenköy 

message: Let it be said that I am no expert on this issue at all, so the point of view here is one of the uninitiated. The image NorthernCyprusMap.jpg shown near the top of the article appears to be fairly imprecise, badly designed (a lot of white space) and also has a Northern Cyprus flag on it for some reason that I'm not sure of. Is it possible to get a map that looks more like Wikipedia standard, and with the inclusion of a flag justified, or it removed? Nach0king (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NorthernCyprusMap.jpg 

message: The phrase "is part of Northern Cyprus, a state with limited international recognition" hides the fact the ONLY country that recognises it is the country that created it illegally in the first place. This is relevant. The reader should know "Northern Cyprus" or the "TRNC" has been declared "legally invalid" by the UN ( Resolution 541) and is a territory that was ethnically-cleansed of it's huge indigenous Greek majority. Any suggestions for a replacement phrase ? HelenOfOz (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop your chauvanist talk of ethnically cleansing, as the population exchange was made on a UN sponsored agreement. Secondly, the words "ethnic cleansing" only reminds me of the Akritas Plan, EOKA, EOKA B etc and of course the Bloody Christmas in Cyprus. Last but not the least, if any person is so interested to read about a small Turkish Cypriot exclave on the island, they will sure read all the other info about Cyprus and the TRNC before. If they come to this page first, they will go after here to Northern Cyprus; don't worry... --E4024 (talk) 09:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: E4024, the Turkish army committed many atrocities and rapes which forced the Greek Cypriots to flee in terror. The north was "cleansed" of most of it's Greek Cypriots during the August invasion. That's why I wrote "ethnic cleansing". If you have another word for the "ethnic cleansing" then let's hear it. 150,000 Greek Cypriots fled to the south but many thousands were trapped behind the Turkish frontline. The "population exchange" was an exchange only for the "enclaved" populations trapped in the wrong territory. Greek Cypriots. trapped in the north, were exchanged for the Turkish Cypriots trapped in the south. This was done to avoid revenge attacks from irregulars in case fighting broke out again. The "population exchange" had nothing to do with the 150,000 Greek Cypriots who fled in August 1974. Anyway, thanks for the tip off. There doesn't seem to be a Wiki page for the population exchange in 1975. I'll create it when I have some time. HelenOfOz (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I am not sure what your concept of "ethnic cleansing" is. This  Wiki article may help you. The current version does not talk about Turkish Cypriots. Maybe you should edit it. HelenOfOz (talk) 10:38, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I'll debate with you here if you like but it would be more productive if go to the relevant articles, argue your case and/or do the edits. If I can make a suggestion, start with the  Ethnic cleansing article. I'm looking forward to reading your contributions. HelenOfOz (talk) 11:38, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the phrase "a state with limited international recognition" sounds nice but doesn't tell the whole truth 

message: In his recent edits, E4024 has engaged in personal attacks and accused me of "distorting reality". Could someone please tell me what in this  edit is false ? Masri145 (talk) 07:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Masri, instead of getting into an edit war with E4204 go to the  States with limited recognition article and inform the editors that there is something inherently wrong with legitimacy coming ONLY from the creator of a state. There is no other state like the TRNC in the world. The criteria for inclusion should be changed to "recognised as a state by at least one other state that is not it's creator and sponsor". The TRNC is in a class by itself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HelenOfOz (talk) 08:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point. TRNC is definately a unique case as no-one other than the invading country supports its independence. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll see you at the other talk page. Masri145 (talk) 08:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Canvassing - to examine carefully; investigate by inquiry; discuss; debate. (www.dictionary.com)   Thanks for your encouragement, E4204 HelenOfOz (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality 

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