Talk:2007–08 UEFA Cup

message: How were the teams ordered? Kingjeff 01:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In seeding order, which is the order they appear in the team ranking (unranked clubs use their country's rank). It mentions this in the article just under Teams. - MTC 06:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I think it's about time we added some tables for seedings and geographical region. It'd shorten it up a bit and include more info. I have an exam tomorrow so I can't do it right now. :D Aheyfromhome 22:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In the CL article I originally put them in order by country ranking, but they were changed to seeding order by another user, it may not look very nice but I realised it's more informative. In any case, if you insist on ordering them by country, shouldn't the countries be in order of country ranking rather than alphabetical? - MTC 18:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of teams

message: What is Spartak Moscow doing here? They're qualified for the Champions League, not the UEFA Cup. All SMiles 16:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone is crystal balling here and putting teams in who they think will be eliminated from Champions League. Kingjeff 16:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same thing with APOEL. I'd better remove those. Thanks. All SMiles 16:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced clubs 

message: I don't know what happened of Partizan, could someone explain it easily? KyleRGiggs 08:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partizan 

message: I think it needs to be clear which teams have won on away goals and NEEDS to be stated which teams won on penalties. Just having (a) or (p) next to the overall result does not say which teams progress. OK, you can work out who goes through on away goal rule, but it not clear for teams progressing on penalties
--Fridge46 18:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results 

message: AFAIK 80 clubs will be playing first round on the knock-out basis and the remaining 40 will form eight groups with five teams each.
84.28.167.70 16:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Round 

message: 2 UEFA has expelled Partizan from UEFA Cup 2007-08 due to crowd trouble at their away tie in Mostar, which forced the match to be interrupted for 10 minutes. UEFA ajudged travelling Partizan fans to have been the culprits of the trouble., but Partizan are allowed to play the return leg while appeal is undergoing. However, Partizan's appeal was rejected so Zrinjski Mostar qualified.
Regroup it please. KyleRGiggs 18:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence regroup 

message: I suggest hiliting the winners in light green or something.  It stands up better than the bold lettering.  Juve2000 23:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hiliting Winners

message: can any team stands against Bayern Munich in this tournament ?--Max Mayr 08:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll have to see what teams from the CL group stage come to the play-offs here, but if you only go on fame and old glory Munchen ofc feels like the strongest team. But there's bound to be some upsets ;) Chandlertalk 12:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: "under performed" is not the right words especially not for the lower ranking leagues, maybe for top teams of Europe its a disappointment to miss the CL, but its everything but a disappointment for some teams just to get to the Group stages here. Chandlertalk 13:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bayern Munich 

message: Why is the number rounded? On soccernet and bbc.co.uk it says it's 10,000 on here it says 8,000. Is there no source for the correct attendance? Govvy 13:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hapoel Tel Aviv - Tottenham attendance. 

message: I understand why Aheyfromhome removed the explanation about the thick green lines - I can't see them either. I was going to remove that explanation myself once, but I saw the source code and understood that they should be there. They show up fine on Opera, but Internet Explorer, the browser I usually use, doesn't show them for some reason... Artyom (talk • contribs) 08:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thick green lines 

message: The name of the club in the template .  It should be Crvena Zvezda according to notable English language news media and the official UEFA competition site.
* UEFA Cup 2007 Club Profile
* BBC
* Setanta Sports
*Guardian Unlimited
Thanks.   // laughing man 02:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But Sky Sports, The Times and The Telegraph use "Red Star Belgrade". – PeeJay 08:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If you didnt know Crvena zvezda means Red Star before you read it, you wouldnt understand, so i think Red Star should be used so everyone understands Chandlertalk 09:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say Crvena Zvezda should stay. Because, for example, by the same logic Turkish club Galatasaray stays as it is, and is not translated to Galata Castle. And Beşiktaş playing in Champions League is not translated to Cradle Rock. Artyom (talk • contribs) 15:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't translate "Galatasaray" to "Galata Castle" or "Beşiktaş" to "Cradle Rock" because those clubs' English websites use the names "Galatasaray" and "Beşiktaş" respectively to refer to the teams. However, we probably should move Galatasaray S.K. to Galatasaray S.C., as the club refers to themselves as "Galatasaray Sports Club", and last time I checked, "Club" didn't start with a "K". – PeeJay 00:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text:  PeeJay, UEFA who runs the competition uses Crvena Zvezda officially.  Also, you're wrong about Sky Sports and The Times, as the UEFA Cup news in Sky Sports and The Times use Crvena Zvezda also. // laughing man 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is located at Red Star Belgrade, and it therefore makes complete sense to link it as that. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The same BBC Sport site you listed has Bolton playing Red Star Belgrade (instead of Crvena Zvezda) in their UEFA Cup Group F match preview, though. I would think that they probably put it there for clarification sakes, but I'm not one to argue as to whether a team should be listed under the names they go under in UEFA cup competitions. Miss kat (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Why do you think so?  Now there are a majority of notable English language sources (given above) that are using the proper name now, as well as UEFA?  Maybe in the past Red Star Belgrade was more widespread, but even Google is showing Crvena Zvezda getting more hits than Red Star Belgrade.  // laughing man 23:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: None of this debate even matters. The Wikipedia naming conventions for sports teams were laid down this week, and they say that we should use the name that the club uses on the English version of their official website. In this case, the club calls themselves "FC Red Star (Belgrade)", as you can see here (the inclusion of Belgrade in the club's name is debatable, but either way the club don't call themselves Crvena Zvezda in English. The only reason that UEFA calls them Crvena Zvezda is because clubs register with UEFA in their own (transliterated) language). – PeeJay 00:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's fine with me. I believe we should move the article, and refer to the club as "FC Red Star" as "Red Star Belgrade" is clearly not being used. // laughing man 22:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Doesnt Crvena zvezda only mean Red Star, not hard to get some extra hits on that. If you only Search for "Red Star" at google youll get more hits. But the thing still is, Red Star is the common name that i would say most non-Serbian speakers know it by. Chandlertalk 08:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Crvena zvezda" +football 303,000 hits, still more than Red Star Belgrade. // laughing man 22:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crvena zvezda (Red Star) 

message: The link to uefa.com doesnt show any details of the tournaments leading scorers. I cant find any details of leading scorers in the uefa cup on the uefa site. so where did whoever created the leading scorers table get the info from? and how can we update it? Willy turner (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I coudln't find any statistics page for UEFA Cup on uefa.com. However, the index page of UEFA Cup has a section at the bottom with the top goalscorers. Artyom (talk • contribs) 22:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Scorers

message: Why is Sevilla FC, although they have won the UEFA Cup 2006-07, totally absent form the UEFA Cup 2007-08, and its qualification rounds? --88.78.228.207 (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they became 3rd in Spanish Primera last season and thus qualified for UEFA Champions League, which is a higher-class club football tournament than UEFA Cup. Sevilla has subsequently finished top of Group H and advanced to the Champions League knockout stage, which will start in February 2008. Artyom (talk • contribs) 21:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sevilla FC 

message: In the Round of 16 table, do people think it is better to have Club X/Club Y or Winner Match Z? Personally, I think Winner Match Z is better as it creates a bit less clutter in the table. – PeeJay 23:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Club X/Club Y for me, sans flagicons, works better. WATP (talk) • (contribs) 23:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club X/Club Y or Winner Match Z? 

message: So are we not having current scores in italics on the table? Whocantucan 14:00, 21 February 2008
:Nope. Never have, and never should. – PeeJay 21:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It gets too messy because of the number of games being played. Kingjeff (talk) 21:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current scores 

message: The UEFA Cup began in 1971-72 season, it was a new tournament organised by UEFA. It was based on the format of the later years of the Fairs Cup and the latter is obviously considered its predecessor, but it is not the same tournament - while many people assume they are the same tournament simply under a different name they are not, according to UEFA themselves. The Fairs Cup was endorsed but not organised by UEFA and is not even considered an official European tournament by them, let alone their own UEFA Cup under a different name. UEFA even assert that the Fairs Cup should not be included in clubs honours lists as part of their European record. UEFA's attitude towards this can be read about here . While its reasonable to see the Fairs Cup as a forerunner of the UEFA Cup and you can personally consider them to be essentially one and the same competition if you like, it is UEFA who decide the official status of the competitions and they certainly would not agree that the Fairs Cup years are part of their UEFA Cup competition or that Newcastle United and Ferencvaros have won the UEFA Cup (before it even existed!). This is exactly what is stated on the main UEFA Cup article on here and just about everywhere else relevant on Wiki so I don't see why this page is any different. Given that UEFA won't even allow these clubs to claim they have won a major European honour due to their Fairs Cup wins, there is no way we should be trying to make out in the opening paragraph that there have been 50 editions of the UEFA Cup rather than 37 when the organisers themselves say otherwise. It just makes us look silly to any knowledgable readers. MarkB79 (talk) 00:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is the 37th edition, not the 50th 

message: I came up with an idea of having an inter-wiki project for Champions League, UEFA Cup and UEFA Intertoto Cup. The idea is we can have match reports from Wikinews and use them on Wikipedia article for 2008-09 Champions League, 2008-09 UEFA Cup and 2008 UEFA Intertoto Cup. There should be no sourcing issues since there is a requirement of 2 sources per match report.
#This is an inter-promotion thing for Wikimedia Foundation.
#All match reports would be of the same standard.
#The standard NPOV will be in the match reports as required by Wikinews and Wikipedia.
There will be 213 matches for Champions League, 359 UEFA Cup matches, 78 Intertoto Cup matches for a total of 650 matches. Therefore, there will be a number of people needed to do this. If you're interested or have any questions or comments, you can ask them here or if you would like to sign-up, you can go here. Don't write how this is too big or a bad idea. This is to survey to see how viable this is. However, if you have some constructive comment or question, then feel free to add. Kingjeff (talk) 21:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inter-Wiki project idea

message: For some reason the official UEFA site started counting the goals scored in qualifying stages for the top goalscorers. Before, only the goals from the First Round onwards were counted, as all teams participated in those stages already. I think it's unfair for the players of the bigger teams, as they start in the First Round, while some smaller teams play in the qualifying rounds, where they can also score goals. I'm not sure why UEFA changed its way of counting the goals, but I think that we should still exclude the goals scored in qualifying stage, because the goals in qualifying stages never count towards the top goalscorers statistics in any football competition.  ARTYOM  18:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Only goals from the First Round onwards should be counted. – PeeJay 19:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I disagree with you. UEFA does not count goals from the qualifying rounds in the Champions League towards players totals, so why have they started doing it all of a sudden in the UEFA Cup? I think someone just made a mistake. – PeeJay 23:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a matter of agree or disagree. UEFA decided something and we cant decide otherwise. Just read what Neil, an administrator, wrote down here. Shpakovich (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I believe administrators have the same power as normal editors in discussions like this, so Neil's opinion shouldn't be treated more than just a usual opinion. Regarding the goalscorers, I indeed believe that it was just a mistake on UEFA's behalf, and that the table will be corrected soon.  ARTYOM  13:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Artyom is absolutely right in one point - admins don't have any special power to decide content.  I'm just chipping in as a normal editor, which I also am.  If and when UEFA change their table, then by all means change this one, but til then, go with UEFA's table. Neıl ☎ 18:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: But thats the whole point, there is no argument on the content and there are no opinions. UEFA decided something? That's what says. If UEFA changes something, so are we. If not, then not. Neil gave you a link to the laws of Wikipedia. It's all written there. Shpakovich (talk) 21:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Without wishing to sound smug, I told you so. – PeeJay 16:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You did sound smug. Neıl ☎ 10:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well, at least I have the fact that I was right to back me up =P – PeeJay 10:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah and thats why now that's what's written here. But when i and Neil reverted you it wasn't. Actually, both versions are correct, the difference is since when you count. What enteres here is the offical version, and now it's what you supported and thats why it's here. Shpakovich (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I went to the 2 top scorers pages and fixed it. Shpakovich (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top goalscorers 

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