Talk:Beef noodle soup

message: As you can see in the following discussions, it is technically incorrect to allocate Hui people for the origin of "beef noodles". Beef noodles, simply means beef plus noodles. We can say that Hui people created the Lanzhou beef noodles, and the Taiwanese veterans created the Braised beef noodles, but neither are the inventor of ALL beef noodles. User: Ephemform and I propose to keep the Beef Noodle Soup article as a generic term (as it is done in Chinese wikipedia, stating: "beef noodles is a broad term for any soup/noodles that uses cooked beef as main ingredient for a dish, the origin of beef noodles is undefined and cannot be traced"), then create two new articles referring to Lanzhou Beef Noodles and Taiwanese Beef noodles. They have clear distinguishing elements, history, features and enough reference sources to form their own articles (as it is done in Chinese wikipedia). It will also mitigate the controversial discussion about Chinese/Taiwanese/Southeast Asian origin (there is NO origin). 
If there are no notable oppositions, we will create these 2 articles, and change the introduction of this article to be used as a generic term only. Please let us know what you think.Jjj84206 (talk) 16:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to Create Lanzhou Beef Noodles and Taiwanese Beef Noodles

message: I'm pretty sure beef noodle soups are not a uniquely asian phenomenon.  Beef soup with egg noodles is not at all an uncommon dish and probably has at least a century's long history.  It would be nice if someone could research this and add to the article. OliAtlason (talk) 04:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: European beef noodle soups

message: You could instead put the raw beef in cold water and then bring the water and the beef into a boil. Then throw out the water, use a different pot or clean the pot and remember to rinse the beef in cold water then, follow the other instrustions. The reason for this is to remove the blood AND some of the stench of the meat. You should do this to all meat product when you are cooking something without strong spices to cover up that stench. Well, thats my opinion, of course, if that stench is what you are looking for then don't do it. Some people call that the "taste" of the meat. If you never tried then taste the differece ~ espcially with goat meat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.155.107.61 (talk) 23:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference of opinion on the part about puting it in the boiling water for one minute. 

message: The main ingredients (or could be the only ingredients)are water, beef ,and noodles. This noodle soup usually uses low quality beef and could be serve with no spices and no beef therefore it could be made easily by peasants and serve to peasents of low rank even in ancient time for a rather long duration. And since it is so easily made and it is food for low rank peasents and slaves it would not enter into historical documents readily after invention.
::No offense to you, but the "peasant food" story is more or less an over-simplification. Firsdt of all, beef is not part of the traditional Chinese diet, until the beggining of the last century, it was eaten by Hui people (beef noodle was invented by them as well.) Secondly, peasants don't eat meat period. If there are any meat, it's likely to be pork, not beef (cattles are valueble work animals, it's not eaten. Besides, there are very few places in China where cattles can be grazed.) Thirdly, it's mainly comsumed by urban people (especially students and workers.) I have yet seen one rural family eating it as their "traditional meal". -130.126.75.181 (talk) 04:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A caution to the credibility of the historical contents 

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An image used in the article, specifically :Image:Instant beef noodle soup.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue.  The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive.  It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard.  As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article.  If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.
You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: When the Kuomintang retreated to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War, refugees from mainland China including Chinese Muslims introduced the beef noodles to the Taiwanese. Despite the traditional Taiwanese aversion to eating beef (due to affection to water buffaloes which pull the plough in rice paddies), and that virtually no wheat (a main ingredient of noodles) is produced in the island, the dish is available on Taiwan, including the instant noodles, food pouch, and microwave meal versions. Certain sources argue that the modern form of the Chinese beef noodles was actually invented in Gangshan Village, Kaohsiung County by Republic of China Air Force personnel who fled to Taiwan from Sichuan. Despite the southern Taiwanese roots of the modern beef noodles, the  City of Taipei styles itself as the "World Capital of Beef Noodles" and has recently started to host an annual Taipei Beef Noodles Festival.
Kaihsu (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: Thanks for all editors' contributions. The lead section covers the basic information about beef noodle soup by providing plenty of external information that readers will be able to click on. It might be better if the information is listed explicitly to make readers easier to read. I would like to know more about the noodle style. Jaditol (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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=== Beef Noodle Soup Wiki Page Update ===
Hi all, hope you all enjoying the updated information. Feel free to make any edit or change if you have any concerns. Jaditol (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your contribution. I am generally okay with the changes you made. You made substantial contribution to Lanzhou Beef Noodle, not much on the Taiwanese side. You also added one sentence implying that Taiwanese Beef Noodle soup was "brought to Taiwan from China", despite all sources said otherwise. Please be careful and do not add in personal opinion. Secondly, I would recommend you creating a separate article on Lanzhou Beef Noodle Soup. I've always suggested to create this and keep this page as a general "Beef Noodle Soup" article (which encompasses other soups with beef in it from around asia). Right now, you're putting an undue weight on Lanzhou beef noodle soup and the dish itself, like Taiwanese beef noodle soup, is notable enough to warrant its own article, this has already been done for multiple languages including Chinese, Korean, and Japanese Wikipedia, see here for an example: :zh:蘭州牛肉麵. Final thing, please ensure you add references AFTER punctuation, not before. I have reverted your edit for now, I'm not against your content. I see you're a student editor, hopefully creating a new article would be a good experience for you. Thanks.Kazuha1029 (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

message: Hi all, hope you all enjoying the updated information. Feel free to make any edit or change if you have any concerns. Jaditol (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your contribution. I am generally okay with the changes you made. You made substantial contribution to Lanzhou Beef Noodle, not much on the Taiwanese side. You also added one sentence implying that Taiwanese Beef Noodle soup was "brought to Taiwan from China", despite all sources said otherwise. Please be careful and do not add in personal opinion. Secondly, I would recommend you creating a separate article on Lanzhou Beef Noodle Soup. I've always suggested to create this and keep this page as a general "Beef Noodle Soup" article (which encompasses other soups with beef in it from around asia). Right now, you're putting an undue weight on Lanzhou beef noodle soup and the dish itself, like Taiwanese beef noodle soup, is notable enough to warrant its own article, this has already been done for multiple languages including Chinese, Korean, and Japanese Wikipedia, see here for an example: :zh:蘭州牛肉麵. Final thing, please ensure you add references AFTER punctuation, not before. I have reverted your edit for now, I'm not against your content. I see you're a student editor, hopefully creating a new article would be a good experience for you. Thanks.Kazuha1029 (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beef Noodle Soup Wiki Page Update