Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome/Archive 1

message: As you can see I have created this template.  
  
I think it would be good if people put it on Classics related pages that you come across so that we get more interest in this Project! Feel free to make the template better.
Pjmc 10:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - that sounds good about the assessment stuff... how do we go about doing that? Pjmc 15:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just stole reused some code from another template to implement it.  I'll document it on the template's talk page in a moment and get a couple examples to make a CGR rating chart. PoptartKing 17:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Template

message: First off, yay for the establishment of this WikiProject.  Hopefully things go well here.  Anyways, I was considering proposing a stub for Ancient Greek biographical articles.  Assuming it goes forward, would any others be willing to help go through :Category:Greek people stubs and :Category:Ancient Greece stubs to restub appropriate articles (and improve them if you are able)?  It's rather tedious work, admittedly, but it can help with stub improvement in the long run.-PoptartKing 05:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Greek Bio stub? 

message: Because I know a lot about these topics, and I'd like to help out. Please advise.
Insane99 23:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak for , but generally joining a wikiproject involves simply appending your name to the list and participating.  Unfortunately at the moment there isn't much to participate in at this wikiproject; hopefully Covington will show up again or someone will start being bold.  Perhaps in a couple weeks a related Collaberation of the Week/Month/Olympiad/Whatever can be thrown together, probably the most effective thing to start up this project. PoptartKing 02:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I, too, will join if members are wanted. Andrew Dalby 13:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I decided unilaterally to become a member ... Andrew Dalby 16:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I will join too, but I have very little experience using Wikipedia, and learn about Classical civilizations only on the History Channel. AndonicO 11:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be careful to doublecheck all information you get from the History Channel with work in the actual academic field.  Much of the information on HC is quite specious. CaveatLectorTalk 07:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello again. I had joined in August, but resigned because of inexperience. I think I can rejoin now. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 22:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do I have to be invited to join? 

message: Since I'm a re-editor of articles such as Pericles, Alcibiades and Demosthenes, I'm wondering if I can add the wiki-project template to these articles. I think they belong to the scope of the poject, although some of them are already watched by other wiki-projects.--Yannismarou 10:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say certainly.  I've always thought that pages can be marked by more than one project (please correct me if I'm wrong), and I'd say that those three apply to Classics more than anything else.  :) -Elizabennet 15:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Could I please call the community's attention to the following discussions: Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece.  It seems as though a small group of people motivated by a very apparent personal prejudice want to erase all references to homosexual practices in Ancient Greece from Wikipedia.  (Citing some sort of conspiracy theory that would have historians 'shame' the ancient Greeks).  Please lend your input to the AfD discussion, as well as working to improve the article (which is admittedly not quality). CaveatLectorTalk 22:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "small group" is roughly two people I think: not enough to carry a deletion vote. But, yes, let's improve the article. Andrew Dalby 12:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'small group' turned out to be one person using a variety of sockpuppets and meatpuppets, and has been trying to push his POV in the article for the better part of a month now using these puppets.  I'm trying my best to maintain the article. Sort of cutting into research time.  Anyone mind adding some good research citations to the article? CaveatLectorTalk 01:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Homosexuality in Ancient Greece

message: ...I hope nobody feels I acted too rashly, just revert me if you think I did :) I think the original yellow-on-purple color scheme was a bit hard on the eye, and the very wide image of the Forum looked a bit out of place in a userbox. I changed the colors to something I felt looked a bit more professional and exchanged the image to one with a more-or-less square aspect ratio. I hope you like the change -- Ferkelparade π 14:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just changed the colors of the userbox... 

message: I think this project could do with a couple more subpages to organize our work, here's what I have in mind:
*a "new articles"-list where we can add recently created articles within the project's scope
*a list of books/references, not with the goal of creating an exhaustive bibliography, but rather as a place to recommend books on Greece and Rome we found useful in our research 
*maybe some sort of "outside discussion"-like talk page where we can discuss things related to antiquity but not directly related to the project, (stuff like travel itineraries in Greece and Rome, bashing hollywood's latest butchering of ancient history, etc - this would be great for community building and would in my opinion not go against Wikipedia policy as long as we kept discussion to antiquity-related topics)
I'd go ahead and set up some subpages right now, but I have to go and spend the evening away from my computer...any thoughts on these subpages? -- Ferkelparade π 15:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple more subpages? 

message: I have changed the ranking of importance for the Phallus article to 'High' once again. I feel as though the symbol of the phallus is a predominant and highly important element of ancient culture.  Would anymore mind discussing? CaveatLectorTalk 14:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phallus ranking 

message: The article Social class in ancient Rome needs serious attention. I've corrected its worst misapprehensions but it still needs proper sourcing and verification. --Nicknack009 00:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Social class in Rome

message: I'd like to say thanks to all who have helped with the project since I started in May. I am finally better and able to type again, so you'll see me here more often.
Thanks again.
(^'-')^ Covington 01:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks! 

message: One of the goals of the group is to support any other group with similar or the same goals. Hence, I thought I should notify the members of the group about the creation of the WikiProject History of Greece and kindly ask them to participate and contribute. I believe that the two projects share in some domains the same goals.--Yannismarou 16:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece]] 

message: See this talk page: Talk:Martian (Roman Emperor)
I get the feeling that this page is a ghost reference based on a single source who was under a misapprehension.  Should the article be redirected to Marcian? JulesH 11:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're probably right. I understand that t and c had the same sound before i and e in medieval Latin so they were easily confused in manuscripts - e.g. Sulpicius/Sulpitius Severus - so this looks like a matter of variant spelling and should probably be redirected. --Nicknack009 12:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I right here? 

message: Recently, someone put spoiler tags on the Iliad and Odyssey pages.  This seems, on the face of it, absurd to me and to most of the editors discussing the matter at Talk:Iliad#Spoiler warning.  Is there a consensus that spoiler tags are inappropriate for works of classical literature?  And if not, can we develop one?  (I've crossposted this at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning; for the sake of keeping the conversation in one place, let's talk over there.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler warnings on classical works 

message: There's an ongoing dispute/edit war about whether the category Greek pederasty should be included in Alexander the Great. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Alexander the Great? --Akhilleus (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Greek pederasty and [[Alexander the Great]] 

message: Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
*Tagging talk pages, great for high-speed tagging
*Assessments mode, for reviewing articles (pictured)
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
*About the plugin
*About support for "generic" WikiProject templates
*User guide
*About AWB (AutoWikiBrowser)
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. --Kingboyk 12:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagging talk pages and assessing articles

message: Greetings all.
I just discovered your project, much to my delight, and would like to invite anyone here with an interest to take a look at the Classical warfare task force of the Military history WikiProject.
I realize that the interests of the Classical Greece and Rome Wikiproject are broader than the military history of Greece and Rome, but I think there is a lot of potential for inter-project cooperation on some aspects of classical history. - Vedexent 20:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Cross-over? 

message: Does anyone have any comments on the current state of the Third Servile War article? It is a fairly obscure little episode in the late history of the Roman Republic, but it (arguably) had far reaching contributing effects to the transition of the Republic into the Empire. - Vedexent 20:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obscure? Stanley Kubrick made a film about it. But as for the article, I'm impressed. Very exhaustive and well referenced, with note taken of the nature of the sources - could be used as a model for Roman history articles. I've taken the liberty of linking as many of the the footnotes as I can to the relevant passages in online translations. The only ones I haven't found an online translation of are Sallust's Histories, which may have to be my next project on Wikisource (I've already put Florus's Epitome online there), and Orosius's History Against the Pagans, which I don't think exists in a public domain translation. Excellent work. --Nicknack009 23:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your kind words :) I had played with direct linking in my work on the Mercenary War of Carthage, but I was unsure about making the article footnote dependant on external websites. Still - it is an approach I prefer, as you can get to the relavant passages instantly. Thanks again :) - Vedexent 00:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article feedback? 

message: As I maintain my own, I would suggest you guys put your Greek collaboration onto the Community Portal to show everyone what your current article is. This would boost numbers & get better Greek/Roman articles. Contact me if you need more info... Spawn Man 04:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Your collaboration

message: Attila the Hun is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Attila the Hun]]

message: User:Mrwuggs is proposing to merge Counter-Earth and Antichthon together. Previously, it appears he merged both into the Antichthon article. This would be wrong, since the Counter-Earth article is not mainly involved with the Antichthon concept of antiquity. 132.205.44.134 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Counter-Earth]] and [[Antichthon]] 

message: Alexander the Great is presented in the front page of the project as a FA article. But it is not! As a matter of fact, it is not even GA and recently it failed an A-Class nomination in the Military Group. I think it should be replaced by other FAs which do exist: Epaminondas, Pericles, Aspasia, Thrasybulus could be some choices. Do I have the permission of the members of the project to remove Alexander and replace it with a real FA?--Yannismarou 10:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is Alexander in the front page?

message: Having borrowed a copy of the Panegyrici Latini from the Library, I've had a go at rewriting and referencing the article on the Carausian Revolt. I've tried to do it from first principles, direct from the sources (with occasional reference to Frere for the archaeology), but unfortunately Aurelius Victor and Orosius are only on the web in Latin, I haven't been able to consult translations of either, and my Latin is pretty shaky, so I'd appreciate the input of others. Once we're happy with the article the information can be "rolled out" to the articles on the individuals involved. --Nicknack009 22:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Carausian Revolt

message: Can some rated the Cretan War if it is considered in this WP. Kyriakos 08:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cretan War

message: Know I've majorly boo-booed on this, but could I have some advice, help or even support on this issue?  See also my talk page. User|Neddyseagoon 21:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/October/13]]

message: Hello, I'm not a member of the project, but would anyone here be available and willing to write the Rome section for the Military history of Italy article? No one seems to have noticed our need for that section and pledged that they will eventually write it. It doesn't need to be done immediately, I just need someone to say that they will help out. Multiple people could of course collaborate on the section as well. Thank you for any help. -KingPenguin 14:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Military history of Italy]]

message: Recently someone moved the gymnasium article to Gymnasium (Ancient Greece). I think the page should be at Gymnasium (ancient Greece), because "ancient" isn't usually capitalized in this phrase. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Gymnasium (Ancient Greece)? This issue could pop up on many pages, e.g. Homosexuality in ancient Greece or Art in Ancient Greece. --Akhilleus (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move: [[Gymnasium (ancient Greece)]]

message: I have nominated Mythical chronology of Greece for deletion. Since this article falls within the scope of the WikiProject, I thought I'd see if anyone wanted to comment; the discussion is here. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mythical chronology of Greece]] nominated for deletion 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.   B2T2 17:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: This is currently getting a thorough rewrite, the purpose of which seems to be to add sensuality throughout. Personally, I don't think the result is a good or balanced Wikipedia article, but I'd like to know what others think. Andrew Dalby 09:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Symposium (Plato)]] 

message: Please back a template of mine that could be useful for this project. User|Neddyseagoon 14:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 November 3#Infobox Roman emperor]]

message: Mark Antony is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.  Sandy (Talk) 23:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mark Antony]]

message: Greetings! I've been wading through the literature stubs and categories. I would like to create a sub-category of  as  or . This would include not only Greek and Latin literature, but Egyptian, Persian, etc. Would this be more appropriate as , under  as a parent category, do you think? Just wondering...Her Pegship 20:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for literature? 

message: :Is there a reason why the userbox for this Wikiproject is purple? I created a new userbox with the Dark Red colors on the main Wikiproject page. Here's a link to it; please tell me if you like it, or make suggestions. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 23:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Can anyone source this?  Looks like a made-up thing to me, as can't find it anywhere in the single cited source (the Aeneid).  Neddyseagoon - talk 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hersile]]