Talk:Canada/Officialname1

message: Timeline
(1). 1867  The Dominion of Canada gets the British North America Act 1867 as its constitution,
(2). 1927  The Balfour Declaration,
(3). 1931  The Statute of Westminister,
(4). 1982  The Canada Act .
The British North America Act 1867 established the Dominion of Canada as an independent Nation-State.   Its independence was peacefully granted by the UK, in stark contrast to the United States of America that won its independence from the UK via victory on the battlefield by winning the War of Independence (1775-1783).
The Dominion of Canada chose to have the British Constitutional-Monarch as its Figure-Head of State, and to remain a member of the British Empire (not yet the British Commonwealth).  this process of peacefully granting independence to mature British Colonies came about after learning from the mistakes the British Government made in handling the grievances of the 13 Colonies (of the 19 Colonies) that rebelled and broke away.
In 1867, the Dominion of Canada could pass its own laws, and send them to the Governor-General who would grant them Royal Ascent subject to being sent to the British Parliament for (i) review, and (ii) final approval. 
Now, the British Parliament could review (and alter) Legislation passed by the Canadian Parliament, and then finally approve it.  The operative word it could.  They actually did not do this very often (if you actually check).
In the Statute of Westminister 1931, the British Parliament could no longer review (and alter) any Legislation pass by the local Parliaments of the Dominions.  In other words, function (i) the reviewing and changing of local laws was revoked from British Parliament.
However, function (ii), the final passing of Legislation was retained by British Parliament.  With regards to the Dominion of Canada, this finally approval by British Parliament remained on the books until 1982.  In 1982, the Canada Act (1982) finally removed the neccessity of the sending and rubber stamping of Canadian Legislation to the British Parliament.
ArmchairVexillologistDon 22:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mind if I ask what point you are making here?  Are you proposing an edit to the article?  HistoryBA 23:24, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Dominion of Canada: Constitutional Dates

message: In English Common-Law, the word title has multiple meanings.   Since we are talking about the formal offical long form name of a country, and who rules it, I would agree that Title fits the bill, perfectly.
Main Entry: ti·tle 
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=title
Function: noun
:Etymology: Anglo-French, inscription, legal right, from Old French, from Latin titulum inscription, chapter heading, part of the law that sanctions an action
:(1a) : the means or right by which one owns or possesses property; broadly : the quality of ownership as determined by a body of facts and events.
Since the Constitutional Monarch of the UK, is the Figure-Head of State of the UK, and the Dominion of Canada, the Queen has title (the name and the ownership) of this country.  Thanks for raising that point Jim Wae, you have just helped me on the way, to proving my arguement.
BTW, you say that you are a dual-citizen of the USA and Canada, where you born and raised in the USA, or was it the Dominion of Canada?
ArmchairVexillologistDon 19:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Wae:  The legal term "Title" as it refers to Properity Rights

message: Most of UK, and European culture is based on the legacy of th Roman Empire.  The Roman Empire started out as the Roman Republic.  After the assisination of Julius Ceasar on March 15, 44 BC (the Ides of March), Rome became an Empire.  Octavan took power as Impersonator (Imperator, Emperor), and formally lead the Roman Empire as Ceaser Augustus.  Some 429 years later, in 395 AD, the Roman Empire, in an attempt to improve the administration of it incredibly large land area, was divided into two Allied Sister Empires.  They were known as the Western Roman Empire, and the Eastern Roman Empire, with their Capitol Cites in Rome and Constantinople, respectively.
The Roman Empires language of Government was Latin, and its language of Science was Greek.  After the Roman Empire absorbed the last remants of Alexander's Greek Empire, the Roman's had to learn Greek, if they were going to study the vast knowledge of their new Greek subjects.  Thus, the classical division between the Latin-Speaking West, and the Greek-Speaking Eastern portions of the Roman Empire was born.
The Western Roman Empire (395-476) was not as populated, and not as rich as the Eastern Roman Empire (395-1453).   The West fell to the Barbarians in 476 with the execution of the Last Western Roman Emporer, and the East fell to the Muslim Turks with the Fall of Constantiople in 1453.  Their legacy still lives on today.
After the Fall of the Western Roman Empire, the  Feudal System  was setup.  It was an attempt to maintain order without the guiding framework of the Roman Empire.  It used a system of Feudal Ranks as a basis for Government organisation, and maintaince of Law and Order.
A Frankish Empire, under a (Gaul) Frank name Charles I (Magnus Charles) or Charlemagne united some of the previous territories of the Western Roman Empire.   He founded Charlemagne'e Empire on was Crown by the Pope (please check) on Christmas Day in the year 800.  Charlemagne's Empire consisted of France, Germany, all of Italy (except southern tip, and Sicily), and the Spanish Province of Catalonia (i.e., "the Spanish March".).
With regards to a Republic (i.e., no Royal Family) the following is pertainant.
A Republic is ruled by a First Consul (Roman term), a Chancelor, or a President. 
With regards to an Absolute Monarchy, or a Constitutional-Monarchy the following is pertainant,
An Empire is ruled by an Emperor. 
A Kingdom is ruled by a King. 
A Principality is ruled by a Prince. 
A Duchy is ruled by a Duke. 
A March is ruled by a Marquis.  
An Earldom is ruled by an Earl.   
A County is ruled by a Count (or Viscount),
An Estate is ruled by a Baron. 
A non-specific "catch-all term" for a piece of land is a  fief.   When that piece of land is granted by a Sovereign (of Higher Feudal Rank) to a Vassal (of Lower Feudal Rank) The Fief is designated a  Fiefdom.  ArmchairVexillologistDon 22:14, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Countries:  There terms and Feudal Ranking System

message: realm    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rlm)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=realm
n. 
A community or territory over which a sovereign rules; a kingdom. 
A field, sphere, or province: the realm of science. See Synonyms at field. 
-[Middle English realme, from Old French, alteration (influenced by Old French reial, royal), of Latin regimen, government from regere, to rule. See reg- in Indo-European Roots.]
Additionally, the roots of the English word, 
 Realm  
(relm) n. kingdom; province; region; domain; sphere [O.Fr. realme, fr., L. regalis, royal]
Reference:  A. H. Irvine, Ed., Collins New English Dictionary with Special Supplements for Canada,  Collins, London, and Glasgow, Great Britain, pp. 1280, (1958). ArmchairVexillologistDon 21:04, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A Kingdom, Realm, Union, and Dominion are of equal Feudal Rank

message: ArmchairVexillologistDon, this talk page is supposed to be for discussion of matters concerning the Wikipedia article "Canada". Could you please refrain from making all these postings that are completely off-topic, eg discussions of Roman history. I would also like to suggest that when making a comment that you use the "Show preview" button first to consider what you've written, rather than making half-a-dozen re-edits in rapid succession.
If you wish to debate the usage of "Dominion of Canada", please go ahead and post relevant material to support your assertion that it is the country's formal name. I doubt that you will be able to provide a convincing argument, because I believe that you're wrong on this point; but going off at lengthy tangents rather than addressing the issue at hand is not doing you any favours in changing the minds of those who disagree with you.
Thank you,
Silverhelm 20:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A polite request to ArmchairVexillologistDon 

message: :refrain from "Political Science Double-Talk? So you would rather refrain from using precise technical language and rely on the vague meanings of everyday usage. Sounds like an ideal way to lengthen the debate to me. -- Derek Ross |  Talk 02:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''The Dominion of Canada'' is a country that is 148 years old.

message: Before people unthinkingly wade into the Dominion of Canada versus Canada  long form offical name discussion, please review the terms,
(i).  Absolute Monarchy,
(ii). Constitutional Monarchy,
(iii). Republic.
ArmchairVexillologistDon 05:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Terms: Absolute Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, and Republic

message: I see no point in voting in this.
ArmchairVexillologistDon 22:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll

message: Statute of Westminster, 1931
CHAPTER 4 
OF THE 
STATUTES OF THE UNITED KINGDOM 22 GEORGE V  
can be read here (Posted by User:ArmchairVexillologistDon.)
*The Statute of Westminster uses "Dominion of Canada" and the BNA Act 1867 uses "Canada". Neither defines "Dominion of Canada" to be the formal name. As I've noted above, I think that the BNA Act 1867 defines the name to be "Canada", and only "Canada", but if you're trying to build a case that "Dominion of Canada" became a formal name through official use, then there is ample evidence that for the past 40 years, the only formal name defined by official use has been "Canada".  
*Also, the "Letters Patent Constituting the Office of Governor General of Canada, Effective October 1, 1947, "GEORGE R." CANADA" (here:) use only "Canada". So there is evidence that both terms were used officially in years gone by, but none that has been presented that "D of C" continues to be used officially. Ground Zero | t 13:38, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Statute of Westminster 1931

message: Ground Zero, just to let you know, I don't appreciate your belligerent tone.  I will tolerate it, but I do not like it.  Next up, the CIA are not a buch of "know-nothings", they just have better things to do with there time than check the long form Offical names of countries that are submitted to them.  They are more concerned with the Security of the Western World, than what some French-Canadian bureaucrat submits to their info-page.
Next, the long form Offical name of the part of the Island of Ireland that is not presently apart of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, (post Dec. 6, 1921) is  the Republic of Ireland.   Since 1949, actually, due to the Statute of Westminster 1931, explicitly stating that it could no longer approve/refuse Dominion Legistation.
Statute of Westminster 1931 
So, now follow me carefully now,  the Irish Free State (1921-1937), to Eire (1937-1949), and finally the Republic of Ireland (post-1949), is the exactly chrnology of the name changes in (Independent Southern) Ireland.
From those who don't know,  Eire is Irish Celtic for the English word Ireland.  Please read your own Wikipedia sites to cross check undisputed information on Ireland.
ArmchairVexillologistDon 20:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will respond to your accusation of "belligerent tone" on your user page instead of here. As far as Ireland goes, it is debateable, and I will do that on your page, not here, because it is not relevant to this discussion. Your snide remark about "French Canadian bureaucrats" are without basis, and are abusive. I think that you should withdraw that remark and apologize to French-speaking Canadians. Ground Zero | t 20:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Silverhelm 20:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I have posted the same info about Ireland on you user page and look forward to you clarifying your "gaping error" remark. I asked you to withdraw the remark about it being a "French Canadian bureaucrat" who submitted the information to the CIA becuase I assume that you have no evidence thatthe bureaucrat was French Canadian. If you do "careful reseach", then perhaps you do have evidence and will provide it. Ground Zero | t 21:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''"The Republic of Ireland"'' is the country's (post-1949) Long Form Offical Name

message: Zhatt, and Ground Zero, you two take "the heights of pettyness" to new Frontiers, indeed.
Canada's Official Name:  Official Name 1
You could of made it just Archive 6.  Oi, you guys are low.
ArmchairVexillologistDon 23:23, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Archive 6, but ''Canada's Name 1 archive?''

message: There is nothing in Canadian legislation which ever made Dominion of Canada the official long name of the country. The question is pointless.
Did I correctly summarize? Please correct me if not. -- Mathieugp 22:04, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thesis 3