Talk:Liz Jones

message: Is this still a stub?  I'd like to see more about her earlier career, and dates, but how long of an article does this person need? Yngvadottir (talk) 12:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still a stub? 

message: Ms Jones is vegan and mentions it and animal welfare in her articles perhaps it should be mentioned more in the page
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209923/Can-Mr-Benn-really-unmoved-pitiful-sounds-slaughter.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.21.73 (talk) 09:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be fair to say she was a quasi-vegan, seeing as she makes repeated reference to eating eggs and has no apparent problem with fashion houses and brands using leather. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegan 

message: The article implies that Liz is still not being honest about her date of birth. She mentioned fellow school pupils in an article in You Magazine in 2009, and the names cited were definitely at Brentwood County High School during the year she would have been in, ie starting September 1970. I was in the same year and recognise the names.Liziz (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age Question 

message: She seems to be Welsh
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Well, I am Welsh, but I am still going to be rooting for England to win this, the first digital world cup, which means it will be seen by more people than ever before.
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: The only source for her alleged Welshness is Jones herself (her father appears to have been born in Gateshead): she has also repeatedly called herself an Essex girl, although there is no record of her being born in Essex, or indeed, the UK at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew G. Doe (talk • contribs) 13:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  upon further digging in the BMD sites, I'm 95% sure that both her parents were born in that most Welsh of towns, Gateshead (as were her fathers parents), and that Jones herself was almost certainly born in Hanover, West Germany. Therefore, she's about as Welsh as the current Prince of Wales. She also calls herself a journalist, and I think we'd all agree that this is questionable.Andrew G. Doe (talk) 11:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Andrew, while I think removing the claim about her Welsh ethnicity is justified on the grounds of insufficient (reliable) evidence, a cited source is needed for the claim she was born in Hanover. Philip Cross (talk) 12:09, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Workin' on it. :-) Andrew G. Doe (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, time to hold up my hands like any good researcher and admit I got ti wrong - her paternal grandfather, Arthur Jones, was born in Loughor, South Wales. And she was born in Chelmsford, on 5/9/58. Mea Culpa. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Her Welshness

message: A note on the personal life would be appropriate with a glamorous TV celebrity 86.145.135.169 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How does this relate to Liz Jones? Span (talk) 11:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married? 

message: I see 'Morefoolhim' has set about removing facts in this entry which are easily checkable, notably this:
"Probably born in Hanover, West Germany (there is no record of an Elizabeth Jones being born anywhere in the UK in September 1958, but there are birth records in the British garrison town in Germany for an Elizabeth Jones at that time) to Robert (1915-1998) and Edna Jones, she is the youngest of seven children (her siblings are Claire, Philip, Nick (1949-2011), Lynnie, Tony & Sue). She attended Brentwood County High School for girls, though the school council strenuously deny this."
All her siblings are mentioned in her articles and books, as was the death of her brother this January. I've searched, and there is no record of an Elizabeth Ann Jones being born in September anywhere in the UK - as stated. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 07:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is solely a question of a sufficient number of editors monitoring the article. Jones is notable enough to be included here given the coverage she receives from the serious press. Philip Cross (talk) 18:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Therefore, surely she is notable enough to include biographical details derived from her own writings. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a problem with Jones veracity (the cloudiness around her age being the obvious example) which needs to be borne in mind if more biographical details from her own writings are required. The article has an editor's request for more third party sources to demonstrate notability, which have probably now been met, but this piece is surely now almost as long as it needs to be. It would be possible to ridicule Jones by including certain biographical details, she feeds organic muesli to the rats in her stables apparently (see the Jane Alexander article among others), but doing so would hardly be neutral, and thus liable to be deleted. Philip Cross (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Her age is established, on her marriage certificate (for which you have to produce a birth certificate) but where is the question: according to Ancestry.com and BMD, she wasn't born in England or Wales in September 1958 (or in 1958 at all) but an Elizabeth Ann Jones was born at the right time in the British Garrison town of Hanover in Germany (as was someone with the name of her youngest brother, btw). I think it would also be in order to include a section on the questionable nature of some of her published claims, or her attempting to conceal the fact that most of her so-called holidays are in fact paid for and end up as articles in High Life magazine. She also claimed to have received mail the day following an article was published. Said article was published on a Sunday.Andrew G. Doe (talk) 13:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of verified facts 

message: Actually, my source is her marriage certificate, which lists her as Elizabeth Ann Jones. :-) Andrew G. Doe (talk) 06:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elizabeth as her first name 

message: User:Robofish "removed sperm theft story - does this *really* belong in the article?" I contend that the following does:Wanting to become pregnant while with an earlier partner, she has written: "I resolved to steal his sperm from him in the middle of the night. I thought it was my right, given that he was living with me and I had bought him many, many M&S [Marks & Spencer] ready meals." (Liz Jones "The craving for a baby that drives women to the ultimate deception", Daily Mail, 3 November 2011) My reasons are 1) startling confession with curious logic, 2) indicative of the length to which Jones will self-implicate herself, 3) extent of coverage in reliable sources. Already we have positive responses in The Guardian and the New Statesman and the article has been summarised in The Huffington Post. Philip Cross (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In an earlier account of this relationship, Jones stated that she had had six months of unprotected sex and the alleged sperm theft was not mentioned- another example of her revisionist attitude towards anything approaching the truth. Or, if you're feeling uncharitable, lies. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sperm theft story

message: In one of her articles, she claimed to be almost totally deaf. Perhaps this should be featured somewhere. Valetude (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaf? 

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message: How can she be born in 1951 and a sentence later born in 1958 on the same Wiki page?
At least one of these is wrong. Rustygecko (talk) 06:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age wrong