Talk:Pantsing

message: The article states that the video of the teacher having his pants pulled down in the classroom has been removed from YouTube is false!  The video is prominent on the web site and on the Internet.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.109.102 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Okay, this stuff has been here long enough...  If you want it, verify it.
From Locus populations:
Debagging is suprisingly done much more by females than by males, probably because females often wear more clothing with elastic waistbands such as shorts and skirts, which makes the victim easier to debag.It can also be that females find it easier to get away with such beahviour as their actions are less likely to be considered agressive and mostly taken as good natured prank. Females often do this because of reasons such as revenge, embarrassment, or just to expose the other girl's colorful panties. It is also done in the hope that the victim is wearing skimpy underwear, such as thongs.
From Etymology:
Debagging has also been called "shanking" and "dacking." Various regional English dialects have numerous other names.
  There are, in fact, additional names for "the act of pulling someone's pants down."  Type words in a search engine to confirm that other terms are in usage.  None of these words, nor the so-called,"standard" British English or American English words are going to be found in a dictionary or any formal scientific writing.  This is because when the English language was created there was no such prank.   
As far as the American English word, "pants," goes,  the word underwent semantic shift because once the prank came into being, people had to call it something.  That is why "pants" is in dictionaries as a noun and not as a verb.  The word, as a verb, is informal.  If that is not confusing enough, many Americans dispute the word and say that the proper word is "depants."  I, personally, do not like this word because it sounds stupid to add a prefix to this interesting word!
The rest needs work.  I don't have time to do it.  Someone? EthanL (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Verify!

message: Dunno if this is just my area, but pantsing is generally pulled off simply as a prank, and nobody thinks of it as pervy or gay.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.80.129 (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite agreed. This article seems rather intent on vilifying the practice as some sort of egregious sexual crime. Anecdotally, I always perceived pantsing to be mildly embarrassing, but generally acceptable, having both pantsed and been pantsed. Perhaps the tone of the article could portray pantsing as somewhat more benign.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.203.196 (talk) 12:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree.  The tone of this article making pantsing (the term I am more familiar with) being akin to what we call in America "a federal offense" -- a heinous crime.  It's a prank.  It's embarrassing and foolish -- as well as commonplace.58.137.139.10 (talk) 05:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been toned down, but there's still a lot of it in the article.  I think this "treat it as a deviant crime, and criminalize children" stuff should be put into a section specifically for that, and limited to at most a sentence or two in the lead, along the lines of "Some psychiatrists and gender studies academics suggest that ...", and leave it at that.  It shouldn't all be removed; it's part of WP's job to "teach the controversy" not hide it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual connotations? 

message: Why is this article titled Debagging? it absolutely needs to be called depantsing or something. Debagging makes no sense.--K1000 04:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --74.184.188.59 (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. Debagging is British; from your timezones and comments, you are not? Jezza (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Debagging is one of very many terms.  Despite what the article says, none of them are "formal". However debagging seems to be the older and most popular name. I vote to keep it.124.197.15.138 (talk) 08:02, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  You have to be kidding me. 

message: Yea, I don't really think that this page has any type of encyclopedic merit. Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deleting_an_article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT
IloveMP2yea 22:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing for Deletion 

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message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Debagging → Pantsing — It's the most common name for the subject, as debagging is only used in some English schools, while pantsing is used in most of the United States —— Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 00:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Pantsing for just the reasons you gave. Herostratus 02:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
The verb debag:
*"Brit. informal; remove the trousers of (someone) as a joke or punishment." Compact Oxford
*"British Slang. 1. to depants." Random House Dict at Dictionary.com
*"verb, colloq to remove the trousers from someone as a prank or punishment." Chambers
The closest I can find to "pants" as a verb in any dictionary is the reference to "depants" at Dictionary.com: "Slang. to remove the trousers from, as a joke or punishment." I have looked for "pants" as a verb, "pantsing", and "depants(ing)" at OneLook dictionary search (which looks through 800 dictionaries, plus I checked Chambers, which for some reason OneLook doesn't cover. So three dictionary refs for "debag", one for "depants", and none for "pants". "Debag" is verified from three reliable sources, and British English is an acceptable variant for writing articles in. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *The history of Pantsing goes back to 2005. There's no indication of a deletion. You can perform any sort of merge that's necessary using the page history. Dekimasuよ! 04:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 06:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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*Pantsing for just the reasons you gave. Herostratus 02:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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The verb debag:
*"Brit. informal; remove the trousers of (someone) as a joke or punishment." Compact Oxford
*"British Slang. 1. to depants." Random House Dict at Dictionary.com
*"verb, colloq to remove the trousers from someone as a prank or punishment." Chambers
The closest I can find to "pants" as a verb in any dictionary is the reference to "depants" at Dictionary.com: "Slang. to remove the trousers from, as a joke or punishment." I have looked for "pants" as a verb, "pantsing", and "depants(ing)" at OneLook dictionary search (which looks through 800 dictionaries, plus I checked Chambers, which for some reason OneLook doesn't cover. So three dictionary refs for "debag", one for "depants", and none for "pants". "Debag" is verified from three reliable sources, and British English is an acceptable variant for writing articles in. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *The history of Pantsing goes back to 2005. There's no indication of a deletion. You can perform any sort of merge that's necessary using the page history. Dekimasuよ! 04:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 06:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Pantsing, or depantsing, as we called it in my old school, was considered a harmless tradition, which everyone – except the boy being pantsed – found amusing, and that included the teachers, and most especially, the girls in the adjoining school. In the article it is unclear if the boys’ underpants are removed or just his trousers. It was always both in my experience, and indeed in my town, there would be little discomfort proceeding purely from mere trouser removal. The rules were that only the boys who were in the First Grade could be pantsed, and then only if they were pre-pubescent.  Typically, after some playful monkey business on the part of the newbie, he would be seized by a group of older “hearties”, have his trousers and pants removed, and quite often his shirt as well. Then, he would be carried to the middle of the school ground, usually near and sometimes right in the girls’ grounds, and left there to make his way as best he might.  
As is common in many institutions, the youngest forms were the – usually benign – target of all sorts of pranks and japes, and so it was that the 12 year olds suffered this indignity. It’s a sort of rite of passage, and the victim’s humiliation was alleviated by his knowledge that he would be neither the first nor last to be pantsed  in public, and that it would soon be HIS turn to do the same to the incoming forms that followed him. Other rules were that the boy could in no way be harmed or hurt, that the act had to be done in a good-natured, jocular fashion, and that only boys who were lively, healthy, and cheeky were fair game. 
One very common and largely unacknowledged aspect of this practice was that many of the boy victims brought pantsing upon themselves by being impertinent to and over-familiar with the older pupils, even daring them to do it, and thus incurring the penalty. I am sure that they secretly enjoyed the idea of being stripped and exhibited in this way in front of their classmates and the giggling girls always close by. I know, because I brought on such a pantsing myself after ragging a group of older pupils. It was sports day and I was barefoot, dressed only in shorts, underpants and a tee shirt. All this was quickly stripped from me, and I was carried by the others – quite naked – to the girls’ grounds, where the mob, reckoning that my impertinence had been especially intolerable, elected to bind me, standing, to the chicken wire that fenced the perimeter of the girls’ basketball courts. I struggled with all my might against this outrage, but my motives were not so much to save what was left of my modesty, as to take my mind off what was becoming quite an impressive and uncontrollable erection. As it is, the boys relented, and just as well, for while the headmasters of both the boys’ and girls’ schools would overlook a simple pantsing, the provocative diorama of a naked boy seemingly crucified on a wire fence and with a deeply incongruous prong pointing to the horizon, might have led them to ban the practice altogether.
The Simpson’s, a cartoon that has touched on many themes never dealt with elsewhere, has an episode in which one of the characters – Martin – brings about his own unbreeching, as he frankly admits to himself. The incident reminded me vividly of the mild exhibitionism of my own schoolboy skylarking.  A brief screenplay can be found here:
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F22.html
clear copyright violation removed
Notthere (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  If you can find a legitimate source, you may add the material.  The Simpsons is not a source.  — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And this kind of lengthy personal reminiscence and definitional editorial doesn't belong here; Wikipedia is not a blog or forum.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:17, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boys who INVITE a pantsing! 

message: A simple google indicates that 'sharking' is the name of pulling down a girl's pants for some kind of rapist jollies. This should be reflected at least somewhere in the article. Sharking seems as far from innocent schoolboy japes as possible. Earfetish1 (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is. Sharking is quite different from "debagging" as a bullying tactic, but the Sharking page got deleted (now recreated as a redirect here, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sharking ), we have to make do with one and the same page. CapnZapp (talk) 10:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioned it briefly, with a source, in the "Alternative names" section. That should be plenty sufficient, given all the other variants listed there. If someone has a reliable source indicating a consistently used difference in definition, feel free to clarify and add that source.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Sharking

message: That article should be merged here or vice versa. It has more references and goes into the serious side of it, since there have been legal repercussions. It has more U.S. info and this article is Brit-centric. Both terms are widely used per Google news. Edison (talk) 01:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion of the merger should be kept in one place, at Talk:De-pantsing#Merge to Debagging, and not here. I propose the "De-pantsing" references and text should be merged here. Edison (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[De-pantsing]] here

message: Would it be illegal to post pictures on here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.248.91.182 (talk) 03:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but they have to be free. Emptyviewers (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Potentially yes, if a) it involved nude children, b) it featured non-consensual humiliation of any party whose face is visible.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

text: No. There's no need to illustrate something this obvious. There is no lack of reader understanding that pants go up when you put them on and go down when you or someone else pulls them down.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures? 

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message: I don't think the other usage (from creative writing) deserves its own article, and it seems ok to mention both usages in the current article.  I can agree with moving it out of the lede, except then there is the issue of how to alert the reader.  I found my way to the current article while trying to find out what the other usage meant.  I guess the "right" solution is to write a wikitionary entry about the other usage, and put a hatnote into the present article pointing to it, but editing wiktionary is an even worse bureaucratic hassle than editing wikipedia. :( 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:2B99 (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  alternate use of term