Talk:List of tomato cultivars

message: While the list's survival of the AfD process indicates that it's a worthwhile list to have around, in its current form it's complete garbage. Any thoughts on reorganizing? Indeterminate vs. determinate strikes me as being rather more paraphyletic than necessary, seeing as how shape and size of fruit and determinacy of vine don't really coincide. Maybe start with the basic categories a seed catalog might use, such as Slicing, Beefsteak, Paste, Cherry, etc? Haikupoet 05:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree: The fact that Tatianas Tomatobase has a number of contributors and many more tomatoes listed than here probably shows that there is a lack of interest in maintaining this list. Mttfromplessey (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I agree, the organization is poor.  Also agree that categorization by type is a better way to go (vs. by color, which is ridiculous IMHO).  Perhaps order it in general order of size, starting with cherry tomatoes at the top, then beefsteak at the bottom?  MsWhatsit 21:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly you have very little experience with tomatoes...they are usually organized by color. It would be absolutely silly to organize them by size. That'd be like organizing your cans of food alphabetically, or by label color; it has nothing to do with what people would actually use them for. Go to any large website listing or selling scores of cultivars of tomatoes, and they'll always be by color. --Kaz 23:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  Well, I just visited the websites of nearly a dozen gardening and seed supply companies, and all of them either organize their tomato varieties in straight alphabetical order, or organize them by general class (i.e., beefsteak, cherry, paste, midsize, etc.).  Examples:  http://www.burpee.com/category/vegetables/tomatoes.do, http://www.oscseeds.com/list-2category.asp?secondid=SC0050, http://www.naturalhub.com/grow_vegetable_cultivars_tomato.htm.  I couldn't find tomatoes organized primarily by color anywhere.  Now, I agree that classification by color is useful, but not as the top-level division.  Maybe that wasn't clear in my earlier comment -- I think it would make the most sense to have them classified first as "beefsteak" (or whatever) and then "red/pink/yellow/etc." within that class.  Would be interested in examples of tomatoes classified by color as a top-level classification, however, as I am willing to believe they are out there and I just couldn't find them.  MsWhatsit 15:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a simple solution; just make it a single sortable table.  Sort by color, size, name, determinancy, etc.  See example template below. --Chapka (talk) 15:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree that there is no point in this particular list. Even if EVERY tomato were listed, it would be HUGE and difficult to contain in just one list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.59.153 (talk) 00:40, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we work on this?

message: The reorganization talk seems to have fizzled out, so I thought I'd take a stab at it and see what people think.  I'm proposing one list, alphabetical by common name, with the following categories:
{|class="sortable" width="100%" border="1"	        	          	           	          	          	             	     	                                                                                                                                        	
Name           	Days    	Resistance	Pollination	Fruit size	Fruit type	Vine type    	Color	Description                                                                                                                             	Sources
1884           	78      	          	Heirloom   	16-32 oz. 	beefsteak 	Indeterminate	Red  	Said to have been discovered by James Lyde Williamson near Friendly, West Virginia in a pile of flood debris from the Ohio River in 1884	
Abraham Lincoln	80 to 90	          	Heirloom   	12-16 oz. 	globe     	Indeterminate	Red  	Introduced in Illinois in 1923                                                                                                          	Shumway (2008)
Early Girl     	50      	VF        	F1 Hybrid  	4-5 oz    	globe     	Indeterminate	Red  	Very early, smooth round/oval fruit                                                                                                     	Jung (2008)
Territorial (2008)
The main changes are:
*Size and shape categories combined into "Fruit type"
*Addition of a "Color" category
*Addition of the "Sources" category
I'm especially interested in the "Sources" category, which would list catalogs from which each is available; this would let the list act to some extent as a seed catalog aggregator and save gardeners time.
Comments?--Chapka (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tweaked a bit; made the list sortable.  Comments? Chapka (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new format 

message: What about Creole Tomatoes?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.135.14.98 (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Types of Tomatoes? 

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message: I'm puzzled by these words - 'in a typical climate' in the 'Fourth of July' entry.  Typical of what? I think that where I live has a typical climate but as that is Johannesburg in the southern hemisphere, I strongly suspect that was not the intention of the comment. 
What about changing the comment to 'in a moderate northern hemisphere climate." ?
Colinvlr (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is completely dominated by American varieties, with a couple of British ones thrown in to make up the numbers. It's understandable why this should be but it's hardly a global perspective. --Ef80 (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Typical Climate'? 

message: The Growth category where every single tomato variety says indeterminate is not helpful and could probably be removed. Just my 2 cents. WesUGAdawg (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Growth 

message: There's no reason for two seperate lists, especially when this list already indicates if the fruit is an heirloom or not.--Stvfetterly (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The article [[List of heirloom tomato cultivars]] should be merged with this and then deleted

message: The "days to maturity" is very variable according to climate, etc. such that many experts prefer to simply describe a tomato's time to harvest in relative terms to other tomatoes in the same plot: very early, early, mid, late season, etc. What are the thoughts on changing the DTM column to a relative value?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pouletic (talk • contribs) 03:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prefer early/mid/late season to fixed DTM? 

message: What is missing here is the average yield per plant by weight. This is almost the most important criteria together with  taste (for which there is also no column). --Aspro (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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