Talk:Believers Eastern Church

message: "He proposed the "7 Church Ages Theory" in which he placed himself along side Biblical forefathers such as Martin Luther and Charles Wesley, and even the apostle Paul of the Bible."
This part of the article is completely untrue as far as I am aware. I have access to all of William Branham's recorded sermons, and have never found anywhere where he places himself alongside these people. I believe the author of this article is talking about the messengers to the 7 church ages, the first of whom Branham identifies as Paul, up to the 6th (John Wesley). This is all laid out in "An Exposition of the Seven Church Ages" by William Marrion Branham, (Printed by Voice of God Recordings) but he does not name the 7th church age messenger. Malachi456 08:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. This article has a lot of errors! More then I've ever seen in a Wikipedia article! Someone needs to cite the sources for a lot of it. Until then I'm going to do some serious heavy editing. Anything I remove I have no sources for so I can't source it otherwise I would. Strawberry Island 18:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 7 Church Ages - incorrect information

message: Removed: "Alleged Pagan references have appeared in the sect, for example, a song in their hymnbook (Believers Songbook) called "Blessed Be Your Eyes." The line "Blessed Be Your Eyes" is part of a Wiccan-Pagan ritual called "The Fivefold kiss.""
There is no way to prove that this is alluding to any kind of "pagan" or "Wiccan" ritual. However one could make the strong argument that this is actually a reference to:
MATTHEW 13:16 KFV
But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
or
LUKE 10:23 KJV
And he turned him unto [his] disciples, and said privately, "Blessed [are] the eyes which see the things that ye see:"
and
MATTHEW 11:25 KJV
25    ¶ At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."
Here is the entire text of the song
Believers Songbook: Song 393
BLESSED BE YOUR EYES
F
Blessed be your eyes, 
For they see the things of God,
That were hidden from the wise, 
And revealed to those who'd learn.
I'm so glad He touched my eyes, 
That I might see.
--Stjetters 23:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Pagan References 

message: Its CSI Bishop who had consecrated the founder of Believers Church as a Bishop and allowed Believers Church which was a Pentacostal Church to be converted as a Episcopal church. This created a lot of controversies in the media and the various fractions inside the CSI church. I don't under stand how this become irrelevant here. Continued one sided reversal of the article will force me to request the moderators for an edit block of the page. Benedictdilton (talk) 05:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing The Controversy Section 

message: The reference given on this section is of news published by 2 reputed news papers in India. If my dear friend editor [HappyPmachine] thinks that these source are not trustable then I leave the matter to the moderators and admin to decide. Believers Church should have done a lot of good things quote that with good reference no one is going to remove it.  Good reference means some trustable source not the groups website or blog. Uploading the affidavit filed by the group on the court and mentioning it as a verdict of the enquiry of home department is an eye wash. If some one had done some thing wrong then the public should know about it. I request admin and moderators to keep a close eye on the following articles Gospel for Asia, K. P. Yohannan, Believers Church there is a clear indication that a there can be again a massive puppetry as happened in the talk page of K. P. Yohannan.Benedictdilton (talk) 01:45, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring The Section Controversy.  

message: Please use the talk page to discuss and work out differences in the article in accordance with WP:Consensus. If you cannot agree, please consider WP:DR.(Please be specific about the issue you perceive. Critical commentary is permitted on Wikipedia, as long as it is properly sourced. Benedictdilton (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: There seems to be factual inaccuracy in the Controversy section. 
* The fact the Believers Church "styled itself as a Pentecostal church" comes with no support. Given that K. P. Yohannan was an ordained minister of the Southern Baptists, which is not Pentecostal, it would require more support for that claim.
* The phrase "only a priest can become a Bishop, and Mr. Yohannan was a pastor" betrays a misunderstanding of the term "priest" and "pastor." Both point to ordained clergy, with the difference mainly being what denomination one is referring to. The Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox traditions call their clergy priests, whereas the Baptists might call them "pastor." Functionally, drawing a distinction between the two in this situation is misguided.
* The last point about the CSI saying that Believers Church is not a part of CSI is irrelevant both to the Controversy section as well as the article as a whole. Nothing in the article suggests that Believers Church is a part of CSI, so this sentence seems unnecessary. 
I vote for the removal of this section based on the previous points.
LivingIsSimple (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy Section 

message: On 11 June, anonymous editor 174.4.26.61 made several edits, which I reversed. If you look at his/her edits, he/she added that Believers Eastern Church held a Presbyterian polity, which is not in the references that buttress the sentence. Similarly, he/she added that Episcopal polity has "better ecclesiastical governance", which is his/her POV and not suitable for an encyclopedia. He/she also added "The rapture of the church before the tribulation" to the section on Faith and Practice without any reference. These claims need to be supported by sources or else my revert will stand. User:Editor2020, as you frequently review articles related to WikiProject Christianity, could you kindly look at this and add your thoughts? I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 08:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look, but I'm not sure what I can do. Editor2020 (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Edits  

message: Below article recently decided court case regarding the rubber plant. I nominate section for deletion due to unverified claims that couldn't be proven in court. http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/apr/13/harrisons-case-setback-may-cost-kerala-government-dear-in-erumeli-airport-project-1800878.html Dt502 (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Rubber Plant

message: Episcopas and thier Dioceses https://www.bec.org/contact/
Episcopa                                   	Country      	Dioceses
Anil Mor Philemon Episcopa                 	India        	Diocese of Manughat, Diocese of Bisramganj, Diocese of Amarpur, Diocese of Agartala
John Mor Irenaeus Episcopa                 	India        	Archdiocese of Delhi, Diocese of Delhi, Diocese of Dehradun, Diocese of Chandigarh, Diocese of Amritsar, Diocese of Jammu, Diocese of Solan, Diocese of Gorakhpur, Diocese of Lucknow, Diocese of Udaipur, Diocese of Banswara, Diocese of Gurdaspur, Diocese of Varanasi
Justin Mor Thomas Episcopa                 	India        	Archdiocese of Kolkata, Diocese of Purulia, Diocese of Buniyadpur, Diocese of Jharsuguda, Diocese of Dhaka, Diocese of Khagrachari
Samuel Mor Theophilus Episcopa             	India        	Archdiocese of Chennai, Diocese of Hyderabad, Diocese of Vizag, Diocese of Vijayawada, Diocese of Kadapa, Diocese of Bengaluru, Diocese of Gulburga, Diocese of Hubli, Diocese of Karimnagar, Diocese of Trichy, Diocese of Thirunelvelli, Diocese of Rajahmundry
Benjamin Mor Gregoriose Episcopa           	India        	Diocese of Thirunelvelli
Joseph Mor Demetrius Episcopa              	India        	Diocese of Bengaluru, Diocese of Gulburga, Diocese of Hubli, Diocese of Madagaon
Jeremiah Mor Theodosius Episcopa           	India        	Diocese of Lunglei, Diocese of Dimapur, Diocese of Imphal, Diocese of Itanagar, Diocese of Churachandpur, Diocese of Shillong
Joshua Mor Barnabas Episcopa               	India        	Diocese of Jharsuguda, Diocese of Bhubneshwar, Diocese of Rayagada, Diocese of Ranchi
Martin Mor Aprem Episcopa                  	India        	Diocese of Chandigarh, Diocese of Amritsar, Diocese of Jammu, Diocese of Solan
Mathews Mor Silvanus Episcopa              	India        	Diocese of Niranam, Diocese of Trivandrum (aux)
Thomas Mor Kurilos Episcopa                	India        	Diocese of Hyderabad, Diocese of Vizag, Diocese of Vijayawada, Diocese of Kadapa
Yacob Mor Theophanous Episcopa             	India        	Diocese of Bilaspur, Diocese of Raipur, Diocese of Sarguja, Diocese of Bastar
Nepal Titus Mor Osthathiose Episcopa       	Nepal        	Diocese of Kathmandu, Diocese of Kohalpur
Srilanka Geevarghese Mor Makariose Episcopa	Srilanka     	Diocese of Colombo
North America Daniel Mor Timotheos Episcopa	North America	Diocese of North America
Rwanda Isac Mor Sthephanose Episcopa       	Rwanda       	Diocese of Rwanda
Justin Mor Thomas Episcopa                 	Bangladesh   	Diocese of Dhaka, Diocese of Khagrachari
Tex011 (talk) 05:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episcopas and thier Dioceses