Talk:Apocalypse Now/Archive 1

message: I don't think Willard "murders... in cold blood" the girl on the sampan - I think she was mortally wounded - it appears that she's shot with at least 3 or 4 rounds.  I think Willard was putting her out of her misery.  Who agrees?  68.8.55.55 11:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That whole section has been tagged for being a personal essay for a long time, and has a lot of unsourced claims (I don't think any of them are sourced, actually), and now people are disagreeing with stuff on it... I went ahead and removed the section -- if someone disagrees with that, let's talk about it here. Eeblefish 03:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Themes

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message: I fixed the most obvious spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes in the synopsis.  It's still a pretty leaden piece of writing (sorry, whoever you are), but it more closely resembles English now.
: No kidding; I shudder to think what it was like before you upgraded.  I just spent another 45 minutes or so grinding away.  A couple more passes and it'll be a plausible entry. Tim Bray 08:56, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis edited 

message: Put in some stuff to so as to be more specific.
Neanderthalprimadonna 03:52, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I did some stuff 

message: I am removing for the 2nd time an anon's facilely clever but non-notable and unencyclopedic hair-oriented "capsule review", which adds nothing but a joke to the article. --Jerzy·t 18:38, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capsule Review 

message: The Influence section is getting very long. Does this deserve a page of its own? Stu 10:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence 

message: The napalm quote is misleading.  The full quote, transcribed from subtitles.
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning.  You know, one time we had a hill bombed for 12 hours.  When it was all over, I walked up.  We didn't find one of them, not one stinking dink body.  But the smell-- You know that gasoline smell.  The whole hill smelled like... victory."
People have compared the Kilgore character to the Major Cook character played by Robert Redford in A Bridge too Far.   Cook was also untouchable, and twenty years later he might have been a Colonel in Vietnam.    It raises the controversial question of whether there was napalm in Europe in WWII.  Yes they did.  P-47 fighters were armed with napalm in 1945 to take out German tanks. Frizb 02:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full quote 

message: *I've extended the "Redux" section which was really short of infos: "Willard sleeps with a French..." which is both false¹ and insignificant for the 4-chapter running French Plantation act. I've added two screenshots like it was done for the 1979 cut. "The family together" quote is ironical and a courteous reference to your own "it smells like victory".  
¹ actually she left him after he's stoned (and not in condition for doing anything but sleeping). Having sex with Willard would had been "incestuous" (and irrespectful vis-a-vis Hubert de Marais) for Roxanne Sarrault as she is a Hubert de Marais' son widow and she remains with the de Marais family (the French expression is "living under their roof") as a black widow.
*As a French myself, I tought it could be useful to explain the French Plantation chapter for those who are not familiar with the French political context nor the geopolitical background of this era. This paragraph was meant to be explicit for those who have missed director Copolla's implicit references.
*The source for "80%", "400 millions $" and the American supply quoted in the American involvement paragraph is the "Diên Biên Phu, chronique d'une bataille oubliée" (Dien Bien Phu: Chronicles of a Forgotten Battle) 2004 documentary written and directed by Peter Hercombe and produced by Transparences Productions. It was broadcasted on the French national TV "France 2" the 4th of May 2006. EnthusiastFRANCE 14:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redux (French chapter) 

message: Whoever you are who keeps writing that the Themes section is "cowardice," I suggest anger management.  Its just a movie.--ben-ze'ev 18:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Angry Person 

message: 'Pretentious' has only recently become a buzzword among people who talk about movies.  It's mostly used by the sort of people who post messages at IMDB, and they don't use it very accurately (for instance, adding the unnecessary qualifier).  I would bet that no critic actually applied the word to Apocalypse Now, and this is someone's sloppy attempt at a summary of opinion. 70.130.136.215 14:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overly pretentious? 

message: I've seen Apocalypse Now more than I've seen any other film.  Somehow I hadn't looked up the film here in the years I've been on Wikipedia.  What a terrific, thorough entry!  I own books on AN, I've seen many versions, I've seen the documentary Heart's of Darkness, I own the soundtrack that has talking tracks and I listen to it when I drive sometimes, still I had a lot to learn from this page.  Thank you Wikipedia!  -JustinHall 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank You!

message: The Eliot poem read by Kurtz is "The Hollow Men," not "The Wasteland."Drogue 08:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Themes

message: Stop removing the trivia -- if it gets to large, then make another article, or don't keep it at all. You're removing certain media references as "trvial" over other trivia which I find more trivial. Falsedef 08:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Should we start a new article, then? (Apocalypse Now in Popular Culture) Ackatsis 02:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just started a new article for 'A List of Cultural References To Apocalypse Now' Ackatsis 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture

message: This is where they tell Willard to "Terminate with Extreme Prejudice"
one of the most bizarre scenes, where the General starts talking about the "dark side" and Harrison Ford gets very uncomfortable listening to this speech, like he has heard it a million times.  
But the interesting thing is that Col Lucas (Harrison Ford) seems to recognize Captain WIllard.  Someday people will see this as the key to the whole movie.  How does Col Lucas know who Captain Willard is?   Frizb 00:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VIdeo clip of Willard's Na Trang Briefing 

message: This article states that  "In 50 Films to See Before You Die, aired on the United Kingdom's Channel 4 on the 22 July 2006, Sheen reveals that the opening scene was completely improvised," however I don't think this is new information, as I recall this is shown in Hearts of Darkness.  XinJeisan 23:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening scene 

message: Put in full "Napalm" speech —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.159.48.76 (talk) 06:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  speech  

message: apocalypse now ws not heavily influenced by agguire both the movies were based on the novel heart of darkness so i am removing that part
:Seeing as how the citations you're removing are coming from quotes by Coppola himself that contradict what you claim, I'm going to side with the actual film director's opinion over yours. Please do not remove valid cited material again. MikeWazowski 08:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavily influenced by aggure 

message: it is mentioned that it was heavily influenced both by style 
and substance which is not true even though capolla noted that apocalypse now was influenced by agguire but he never mentioned 
that it was totally based on agguire.Apocalypse now is not a 
ripoff of Aggure so i am makiong the mentioned change.
:It doesn't say "it was totally based on Aguire". It doesn't say "it was a ripoff of Aguire". It says it was heavily influenced by it. That's not the same thing. Cop 633 12:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: apocalypse now was not heavily influenced by agguire

message: Whoever keeps writing in the plot summary that Kurtz is insane has obviously missed the point of the entire movie. Kurtz's actions can be interpreted as completely sane, given what is said in his speeches about horror. His penultimate line - that commanders ordered men to drop fire on people but forbade the use of the word "fuck" on their aeroplanes because it was "obscene" - is quite telling. The film asks you - who is the insane one?  There is no need to call Kurtz insane here, then, as that is up to the audience to decide. What is more insane - displaying corpses, or hacking the arms off of inoculated children as Kurtz describes (and expresses admiration for)? 68.146.200.201 00:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  plot summary 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:ApocalypseNowBlack.JPG

message: The article states: "He refused to learn his lines and had not read the book Heart of Darkness."
Now, my memory might fail me, but I've read the autobiography of Marlon Brando, where he states that he went bald to the set (without Coppola knowing) because he read in the book that his character was bald. Do we have a source for the statement that is in the article? On the other hand, it is well known that Brando improvised his lines and all his acting in the movie. Nazroon 04:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brando didn't read Conrad? 

message: Article reads: "That night, Kurtz comes to the still-bound Willard and places the severed head of Chef in his lap (but it is merely a dream)."
I'm pretty sure chef was indeed killed here. 132.161.221.37 19:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  chef dead? 

message: Ok, I entered a new plot summary in here, the current one was way too long, lousy with spelling errors & the grammar has gotten bad. It needs to be shorter compared to the rest of the article, etc. Tommyt 16:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs more of a trim rather than mass deletion. If you spot spelling errors and grammar problems.. FIX THEM! --maxrspct ping me  17:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to be rude, there were too many errors to count & the synopsis was BADLY BADLY written. IMO, something like that was just too far gone to improve. Sect headings take up too much room & the synopsis was too long, long ones are a source of constant controversy in Wpedia these days. I think it comes down more to users who jealously want to guard their work instead of creating a database that one day can be well written enough to be considered a scholarly source. And, yes, the ROTS summary is also too big, but try fighting the fanboys n' girls on that one! Oh yeah, btw, on your comment about "collaborate don't chop": collaboration obviously hasn't worked here, too many fanboys want their favorite details in there. This is not an essay for a film class (where you would find section headings & overdetailing) it's an encyc article, so the shorter the better on the plot summary. But, I'm through arguing, I wash my hands of the matter. Tommyt 19:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary!!!!