Talk:Shirin Ebadi

message: I am curious why this page on Shirin Ebadi contains so little information on her personal life. There is nothing on her marriage, two daughters, etc. While this information is not essential, it would be helpful. I am not the person to add that information, but I hope that someone with appropriate knowledge would do so.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgmcf (talk • contribs) 16:04, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

message: I removed the part of the article that claimed Ms. Ebadi is an "unofficial spokeswomen for all Iranian women" because this is simply untrue.  In fact, with all due respect to Ms. Ebadi, there are many better qualified Iranian women than her is many different discipline.  
Unlike what the Western media likes to report, the situation of women in Islamic Iran has dramatically improved compared to the pro-West previous regime.  Statistics speak volumes in this case.  As of this year's statistics, nearly 1/3 of all Iranian medical doctors are women, 37% of all university professors in Iran are women and 52% of all university students are females.
The Nobel Peace Prize has become a political tool and the 2003 award was just another example.  Need I remind you that Yasser Arafat, Henry Kissinger and Michael Gorbachev has also been awarded this prize?
:First: the original text didn't refer to her as an "unofficial spokeswomen for all Iranian women", simply an "unofficial spokeswomen for Iranian women." A subtle difference. 
:Second, your brandishing of one set of statistics doesn't support your argument very well. What was the situation like in the early years of the Iranian revolution? What was the situation previous to 1979? We have nothing to base your claim against.
:Third: to suggest the Nobel Peace Prize is a "political tool" is simplistic. The Nobel committee has certain values and a perspective just like any conservative institution in the modern world; it tends to reflect a certain status quo. In any case, if you are critical of this institution, the place to pursue your issues would be on the talk page of that article. --  Viajero 16:50, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: In any nation not ravaged by war, the literacy rates naturally increase.  Just because the literacy rates increased in Iran doesn't necessarily mean that it's caused by the Islamic Revolution. 128.195.100.178 03:41, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncategorized

message: *"The selection of Ebadi by the Norwegian Nobel committee is thought by some observers to represent an implicit criticism of American policy in the Middle East, in particular the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. George W. Bush has referred to Iran as a member of the axis of evil, and Iran has also been suggested as a possible target for regime change."
I think this is weaselspeak. Who are these observers? Isn't it more likely that the prize is a criticism of Iran?
:Thank you for pointing out this page, Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms. I had never seen it before. I have now read it and the discussion in the accompanying Talk page.
:First, at least one "observer" is cited in the accompanying citation,  Perhaps you overlooked this? I decided not to cite the columnist directly, as he is not well-known. Rather, I reasoned that since this point of view was presented in a major US (!) centrist daily, that I could offer it as one generic point of view. I find support for this in Wikipedia talk:Avoid weasel terms. Note this exchange:
::The point is not to forbid particular words or phrases; the point is to use these phrases as flags that signal unsubstantiated hearsay or personal bias. -- ESP 01:30 19 Jul 2003 (UTC) 
:::OK, I don't think we really disagree about the substance of the matter, I'm just a bit bothered that the page doesn't even hint that these sorts of phrases are sometimes useful and OK. Possibly it could do with a couple of counter-examples to show that such phrases can serve a purpose (I'd add some myself, but I'm feeling very lazy). --Camembert 
::::Well, of course, there is an exception to every rule -- and especially rules of thumb like this one. I think in the last paragraph I give some ideas about what to do with weasel words. Weasel words camouflage hearsay or bias, and should be given extra attention because of this. They should be removed if possible, and left alone if not. -- ESP 03:20 19 Jul 2003 (UTC) 
:If you think I am "hiding" POV or bias with the way the paragraph is currently phrased, please feel free to tweak it. However, I would very much like to include this POV in the article. The Peace Prize is obviously controversial and "politicized" and I think it is important to convey this aspect of it. -- Viajero 12:05, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Norwegian Nobel Comittee never discuss the reasons for their decission. Any reasoning on why they give the prize to someone will be speculations and nothing else. The first time this was added it also pointed to the Swedish Nobel Comittee, a non existing body, and to me that indicates a missing understanding about what the Nobel prize is about and what it is not about. -- Gustavf 07:25, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree, it is futile to speculate about the motives of the Norwegian Nobel Comittee. However, I am simply trying to indicate that the Peace can be controversial and is interpreted by people in different ways. The same discussion ensued around the previous Peace Prize for Jimmy Carter. Not to report these kind of issues is not to be a good historian. If you think the text has any implicit bias, let's discuss it. -- Viajero 08:42, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weaselspeak 

message: From User:Ark30inf: "Users attempting to insert criticism of George W. Bush or the Invasion of Iraq by playing the 'Kevin Bacon' game with him in every unrelated article that they can while fooling themselves/rationalizing that they are NPOV."
:No, the subject of the article has been the one criticizing Bush's Iran policy. The article is merely conveying pertinent information. Now if you see flaws in the article's text, go ahead and make a case pointing out violations in NPOV policy. But no serious person is going to be convinced by a snide comment and a silly quip. 172 11:24, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Kevin Bacon' game 

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message: Intro paragraph: "She is the first Iranian, the first Shia and the first Muslim woman to receive the prize."
So, is she the first Shia to receive the prize, and the first Muslim woman. If so, should read: "She is the first Iranian, the first Shia, and the first Muslim woman to receive the prize." using an oxford comma to avoid confusion. Iheartwiki19 (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Translation of the above from Persian by Google Translate: Hi I am a girl in a price small city in the north to the mass advertising that parents have arrested Vbazdasht first we were quite unaware of the search and then we heard that 110's are the Ministry of Information for his freedom You get help and I help you please advise me  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.229.7.17 (talk) 04:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Suggest the tmieline be summarized into paragraphs as it is getting quite long and some bullets on it are much more notable than others --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC
:Prominent cases and publications belong in there, but not talks and presentations: these non-notable events are bloating the list. I still think it should be kept as a timeline though. MartinPoulter (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: This site: [Ynews] has an Israeli article about this woman.Agre22 (talk) 16:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli site

message: In the section Ebadi as a lawyer it says, "Ebadi now lectures law at the University of Tehran..." then in the timeline it says, "...and as of October 2009 she has not returned to Iran." It might be worth mentioning in the article how she lectures law at a University she hasn't visited in four years, or alternatively, make the article say what you mean; "She lectured law at the university of Tehran for n years from 19xx to 19xx". Cheers. Cottonshirtτ 03:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal consistency 

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message: The article currently states, "she officially became a judge in March 1969," and then later in the same paragraph says, "In 1975, she became ... the first ever woman judge in Iran." So, did she become a judge in 1969 or 1975? (I understand that it is possible that both are true; for example, she might have become certified as a judge in 1969 but only started working in such a capacity in 1975. If something like that is the case, then it should be explained to avoid any confusion.) 74.71.79.71 (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: The "Early life" section at the beginning of this page does not belong there. It's a strange summary of the page and is not in order with Wikipedia's formatting for pages. 
Apathyash (talk) 17:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life