Talk:House of Commons of the United Kingdom

message: The diagram showing the makeup of the House of Commons is now out of date as it doesn't include Reform Party (since Lee Anderson's defection on 11th March 2024). I have an updated SVG file but don't seem to have permission to replace the image Beachy (talk) 12:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This has now been fixed with the latest (18:15, 4 November 2021) revision of the :File:House of Commons UK.svg diagram, sorry for not catching it earlier, not really sure how that error even got in there in the first place AsmodeanUnderscore (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Clearly no consensus to move below.   estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose and I agree with @Rreagan007, including the part with parenthetical disambiguators. Unnatural, fake language.  Killuminator (talk) 17:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose as above. [Legislative body] of [Country] is an appropriate alternative for all of the articles in :Category:National lower houses that share names with other countries, which should render parenthetical disambiguators unnecessary. OhDidgeridoo (talk) 20:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 October 2023 

message: It writes that there is one Reform UK MP in Parliament but that is not the case at all, there are 0 Reform UK MPs in the House of Commons 78.180.138.178 (talk) 11:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Lee Anderson has now joined that party? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like it lol literally confirmed right around/after I wrote this ahaha 78.180.138.178 (talk) 11:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: He was probably just waiting for your edit..... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform UK Mistake 

message: Given that the deputy speakers don't take part in partisan politics such as votes, I think it would be more appropriate to group them under the "presiding officer" heading of the political groups section to better reflect party strengths in the house. This would mean either;
* 1 - Adding a new "deputy speakers" group below the existing "speaker" one, with a  note explaining that deputy speakers still campaign as members of parties but are non-partisan in the house (my preference)
* 2 - Lumping them in with the existing "speaker" group, with a similiar note explaining 4/5 are deputy speakers and are still members of a party
* 3 - Adding party groups below the "speaker" group, with an explanatory note as to how they are non-partisan
Additionally, the corresponding circles in the composition diagram would be moved to a vertical line to the left of the speaker. They could either be left in party colours (A), or recoloured to a neutral "deputy speaker" colour (my preference).
Mockups for options 1, 2, and 3 are shown below. Comments welcome.
Option 1	Option 2	Option 3
HM Government
HM Most Loyal Opposition
Other opposition
Abstentionists
Presiding officers	
HM Government
HM Most Loyal Opposition
Other opposition
Abstentionists
Presiding officers	
HM Government
HM Most Loyal Opposition
Other opposition
Abstentionists
Presiding officers
Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced that this is strictly necessary. Everything you've stated above is true, of course, but deputy speakers do not relinquish party affiliation in the same way that the speaker does – for instance, they are still part of the parliamentary party (I believe) – so I think it's quite disingenuous to recategorise them as you have done. From a quick search, the most prominent external sources (e.g. the UK Parliament website or Parallel Parliament) don't make this distinction and simply include the deputies with their parties' other MPs, which I think is reasonable. Also, this change makes the infobox internally inconsistent with pages like Parliament of the United Kingdom or Template:UK House of Commons composition, which haven't been modified accordingly. For ease of comparison with reliable sources, and to avoid having to add clarificatory footnotes across lots of articles, I suggest that we keep the infobox relatively simple and return it to what it was before. If readers do want a precise analysis of party strengths (e.g. calculation of effective majorities, taking deputy speakers into account), that's available at List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Have reverted. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 09:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political groups: include deputy speakers with presiding officer?