Talk:Under the Umbrella Tree

message: Anyone here know whether Noreen Young or NYP have any plans to bring the show back to the airwaves? If so, when and by what channel? PatrickA 08:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Return to the airwaves

message: While this show may be popular in the US, it doesn't take away from the fact that it is a Canadian show. It is policy from what I have seen in Wikipedia to use the appropriate spelling for the country involved. The "original" spelling is only valid for articles that do not deal with any particular country of origin. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Please see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English. There it states that articles with "strong ties" to a certain dialect should use that dialect. Since Under the Umbrella Tree is strongly attached to both the US and Canada, that does not apply. Secondly, it states "If no such words can be agreed upon, and there is no strong tie to a specific dialect, the dialect of the first significant contributor (not a stub) should be used. ". That would be American English. Also, I did not violate the 3RR rule–please thoroughly review Wikipedia policy and guidelines before continuing to edit at Wikipedia. Thank you.— OLP 1999 07:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has strong ties to Canada, I'm sorry. As I said, Canadian show, Canadian spelling. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The show was owned by the Disney Channel corporation from 1997–2005, which is an entirely American company, and your opinion that the show is unanimously Canadian is biased and incorrect. Hopefully other users will be available here for comment. Until then, it would be wise for you to leave the article alone. Thank you.— OLP 1999 07:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The show is Canadian! It was produced in Ottawa, for heaven's sake. I remember them doing coverage of the local Santa Claus parade. Just because a show happens to be owned by an American company later in its life, doesn't detract from the fact that it's a Canadian show. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it does detract from the fact that it is solely a Canadian article. Millions of Americans watched the program as aired on the Disney Channel, and the point here is that American spelling was first used. There was no incentive for you to change the spellings other than prude national pride and to cause conflict. Please, leave well alone. (And note: I'm a Canadian).— OLP 1999 07:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware that you are Canadian. That doesn't matter. And this has nothing to do with "prude national pride". It has to do with policy. This is a Canadian article, and its association with Disney again does not detract from it. Hockey Night in Canada may air in the U.S., but that doesn't make it an American article. Canadian articles are to use Canadian spelling. End of story. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowhere does policy support your claims. The only statement it offers regarding that is firstly not policy, it's guideline, and secondly it only says articles with "strong ties to a certain dialect should" use that dialect. Nowhere does it state that using Canadian English at this article is any more appropriate than American English. Since AmE was used first, it should stay. And again—since we can not agree, others will need to comment before we move further on a decision.— OLP 1999 07:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, but this topic does have strong ties to Canada. That's my point. Think of it this way. If the name of the show was originally "Under the Coloured Umbrella Tree" (spelled coloured because the show is Canadian), the article would be at that title, not "Under the Colored Umbrella Tree". Likewise, since the title would use Canadian English, the whole article would have to use it as well. Sure, the American version would alter the spelling, but there is not denying that it would just be a re-direct in this hypothetical situtation. -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But technically, your hypothetical situation does not exist thus we have no idea whether the title may perhaps have been "Under the Colored Tree" rather than "coloured". Just because the show was incepted in Canada does not mean they would have been required to use Canadian spellings. Since the title does not favor any one dialect, the original author of this article used American English without conflict. I frown upon national pride at Wikipedia and believe that the AmE should stay unless there is a consensus otherwise.— OLP 1999 08:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a hypothetical situation, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realized they would have used the Canadian spelling.  They would not have been required to use Canadian spellings, but I am sure the CBC would have enforced that issue. While you happen to be Canadian, I do notice your personal use of American English in your last comment, indicating quite clearly your bias. I'm not using national pride, as I said, but clearly your pro American English bias is quite evident. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My bias?? Excuse me but you're the one who made a non-issue into a scuffle for no reason at all. I am not showing a bias, I am being neutral. I am saying that the TV show "Under the Umbrella Tree", though Canadian in origin, was never exclusively affiliated with either dialect. Since it has ties to both Canada and the USA, the American English spellings should remain until you can get others to enforce a consensus otherwise. That's how Wikipedia works.— OLP 1999 17:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, you are biased. You spelled "favour" as "favor" meaning you prefer to use American spellings. I don't know why you have accused me of a pro-Canadian bias, when you yourself have a preferred way of spelling. This has to be the only explanation for why you would want to change it back. Common sense would see Canadian shows with Canadian spellings. The fact that it was shown on US TV is a red herring. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This back-and-forth argument has gone on long enough and it really needs to stop. We need to post this at RfC (Request for Comment) to get other opinions. The reason I initially reverted your edits was because it is customary to "leave well alone" at Wikipedia so as not to cause unnecessary conflict. I found your edits to be pointless and of a somewhat pro-British bias/agenda. Since someone had put the American spellings initially, that is what should remain until an opposing consensus is reached—because for now we have opposing opinions and are pointlessly battling each other. Your accusations of my biases are hypocritical in the fact that you consciously made British-biased edits that were unecessary. Both you and I provide some valid arguments, and other opinions are now necessary. I will file the RfC.— OLP 1999 17:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just pointing out that you had some bias as well, I am not denying that I spell things the Canadian way, I was just pointing out how you spell things the American way, and that that could be seen as a bias as well.  But anyways, hopefuly others can shed some light on the issue. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian vs. American spelling

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message: If anyone knows who composed the theme song that would be helpful. I think it is the one major component to the article that has been left out. Even though the show is a somewhat vague memory the song is lodged in my head for all eternity.--Indiemike79 06:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The composer was Bob Soucy.—Achybreakyheart (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme Song 

message: The displayed Start date in the article right now is September 11, 1986 on CBC. The IMDb is useless. I scrubbed La Presse TV Listings in PDF format at the BanQ. The first instance I found was only a year later, October 5, 1987 at 10:15am, airing monday, tuesday and friday, sandwiched between Fred Penner's Place and Mr. Dressup on CBMT-6 Montreal, CKMI-5 Quebec City and CBOT-4 Ottawa. Quebec City's Le Soleil and Sherbrooke's The Record newspaper also confirms this. Unless the show started airing on a different local channel with a reference, the start date will be updated shortly. InMontreal (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show's start date 

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thread_title:  The Mask Special