Talk:Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders

message: While the team has been using an all-blue version of the SWB logo on certain promotional materials and web pages since the Yankees announcement, note that there has still been no formal announcement regarding this change, and no mention whatsoever of the team colors changing. In particular, GM　Jeremy Ruby has recently stated, well after the all-blue logo first appeared, that the team name and colors were still under consideration. He also said that they haven't counted out keeping "Red Barons", which, if chosen, would imply that red would remain in the team colors. In light of this, I think that we should at least avoid jumping the gun on team colors until a formal announcement about the matter is made, which should probably be fairly soon, anyway. Srecd 23:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo / team colors change

message: I propose that the SWB Red Barons have an article of their own in line with most team name changes. ccwaters 13:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While the Yankees and Barons are NOT the same team, they are the same franchise. The Ottawa franchise moved to Allentown. The SWB franchise stayed put. If SWB ever loses their FRANCHISE to another city (e.g. Newark, etc.) and doesn't receive another, then that team would be the SWB franchise.--Redzone72 (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article split

message: The article states that the team is owned by Lackawanna County, but, as I remember it, both Lackawanna and Luzerne Counties have an equal stake in the team, though Luzerne County is basically just a silent partner, with no input on decisions.  I didn't turn anything up in Google either way.  Does anybody have a citation that spells the team's owner(s) out?  Brad E. Williams 21:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An article I found in the Citizens' Voice states that the two counties own the team jointly; I've updated the page and added a citation.  Lackawanna County acts like they're the sole owners, but Luzerne County owns it as well. Brad E. Williams 16:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The NY Times article today (7/26/07)  says ownership is split equally between (1) the 2 counties, (2) the NY Yanks and (3) Mandalay. Haven't found any reference for the transaction yet. --AndrewHowse 20:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow.  That really flies in the face of everything that's been reported previously.  I'll be very interested to learn when this happened.  Things are already very contentious between Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties on this subject, and this could make it very ugly. Brad E. Williams 20:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the article, it makes no mention of Luzerne County, just Lackawanna. Maybe they sold out? --Michael Greiner 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, this is all OR, so it can't go into the article, but I called the team to find out what the story is.  When the Red Barons were first formed, Luzerne County and Lackawanna County put up an equal share of money.  After that, though, Lackawanna County has done everything associated with the franchise - paid the employees, maintained the stadium, paid the debt service, etc.  The team is now officially owned by the Lackawanna County Stadium Authority; Luzerne County doesn't have an ownership stake at all, though they would get back their initial investment if the team sold.  According to the team, the NYT writer got it wrong - the team is still 100% owned by the Stadium Authority, and neither Mandalay nor the Yankees have an ownership stake.  The person I spoke with said that there may be some sort of agreement where a portion of the team's profits/revenues go to Mandalay and the Yankees, but there is no ownership stake involved.  Luzerne County has been making a huge stink that they've been left out of decisions involving the franchise since the Yankee deal went through, but in reality they have no say in team decisions and do not have an ownership stake.  Brad E. Williams 20:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, we could ignore that part of the Times article? I'll revert myself and then add the article as a source for the sentence about the quality of the clubhouse and facilities. --AndrewHowse 20:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's cool; the problem remains, though, that my initial citation appears to contain incorrect information as well.  Before I changed it, the article said that the team was owned by Lackawanna County.  That's technically correct, as the Stadium Authority is an arm of the county government, so perhaps that's the best way to go.  Ideally, though, I'd like to find a citation for the Stadium Authority's ownership. Brad E. Williams 21:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well apparently Luzerne County has hired lawyers to look over ownership issues.  I also found the original Player Development Contract between the Yankees and Scranton and documents relating to Mandalay's management of the team. A bunch of other articles on the Yankees' deal can be found here, seems there are a lot of controversies on this. --Michael Greiner 21:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it seems to me, Luzerne County didn't want anything to do with the management of the team (including paying anything other than their initial investment), and was more than happy for Lackawanna County to take on all the effort and all the costs.  Now, though, that there's the possibility of significantly more revenue being brought in (not least from a potential sale), they're suddenly all pissy (pardon the term) about the whole situation.  Basically, they don't want any of the proceeds from a sale to pay off the debt the Stadium Authority has incurred operating the team; instead, they want an equal 50/50 split of any sale.  Lackawanna County, however, wants to pay off the Stadium Authority's debts, then split whatever is left.  Frankly, even though I lived in Luzerne County prior to moving south to NC, I come down on Lackawanna County's side.  They did all the heavy lifting, so they don't deserve to be left with huge debts so that an entity that did nothing for nearly 20 years can get millions.  Just my opinion, of course. :-) Brad E. Williams 23:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clear this up guys, the Yankees are OWNED by the Lackawanna County Stadium Authority and MANAGED by Mandalay Baseball Properties. Mandalay has an option to buy the team, but has not yet done so. They manage the daily operations of the club.--Redzone72 (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why even though Mandalay "renamed" the team Empire State for 2012, the stadium authority (and hence the International League) maintained there was no such change.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 00:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody renamed anything.  "Empire State Yankees" is just a marketing brand and a phrase on the logo/uniform.  The official name of the team never changed, and never was going to change.  Powers T 01:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Team ownership?

message: I added a section on uniform design; if anybody can describe the uniforms better, please feel free to do so.  Also, I haven't seen the away uniforms yet, so there is no description of those.
Something that I can't put in the article because it's OR, but is interesting nonetheless - the primary and alternate home jerseys were supposed to be the other way around.  I talked to Michael Cummings, the team's PR director, and he told me that the players liked the jersey with the "Y" and Uncle Sam hat/bat combo better than the other ones, so they made that the primary home jersey.  That explains why it's so easy to buy an alternate home jersey but not the primary one.  Brad E. Williams 23:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform design

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Swb-yanks.png

message: I did a little digging and learned that the franchise has been around since at least 1937, and has been in the IL since 1955.  If anybody has any info indicating that the franchise existed prior to 1937, I'd appreciate it if it could be added with the appropriate references.  I have to say, Minor League franchise histories are pretty interesting.  Brad E. Williams 00:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Franchise history

message: There is a MAJOR history problem dating to the Charlies, The Charlies played in the International League from 1971-76 as the relocated Columbus Jets franchise. That franchise died there, and from 1977-83 as the former Memphis Blues, when the Memphis Blues moved. the charlies from 1971-76 is a whole different franchise and the real franchise related to the yankees is the one that arrived from Memphis which was known as the peninsula whips, winnipeg whips, and buffalo bisons. --Daniel (talk) 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are certainly welcome to correct any erroneous information, as long as it is properly sourced. Brad E. Williams (talk) 19:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: What is your source for the changes?  Wknight94 talk 17:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the history of the Buffalo Bisons from their own history page http://buffalo.bisons.milb.com/about/page.jsp?ymd=20071210&content_id=328596&vkey=about_t422&fext=.jsp&sid=t422. I then traced the teams after the Bisons lost their IL franchise. There are several sources that track the team's movement. It's easier if you work backwards. Baseball Reference and http://www.thebaseballcube.com/ are great sources of information. Again, I'm learning the ropes of Wikipedia and I've made an effort to find factual information with sources. Please do not delete my entries.--Redzone72 (talk) 19:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, no one is deleting your content.  I just noticed yesterday that you were using Baseball Reference Bullpen wiki as a source at one point.  Just like Wikipedia should not be used as a reliable source (because it's a wiki), neither should Baseball Reference Bullpen (because it's a wiki).  Anyone could write anything in there, and I know for a fact that people we have banned from this wiki still haunt that wiki.  Anyway, nice job!  Wknight94 talk 20:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I basically only used BR Bullpen to pull up the yearly win/loss numbers, which I know are true, and some of the franchise histories. This page had some conflicting and erroneous entries that I got tired of seeing. Thanks for your help!--Redzone72 (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History Problem

message: This article seems to be somewhere between a C and B level right now, I rated it as a C. Needs more on the older history of the franchise (notable players in the early 20th century?), some basic info on the stadium, and any other interesting details. Aaron north (talk) 01:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality

message: Information from this article should also be used in regards to their potential relocation:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2011/09/izenberg_mets_blocked_yankees_plan.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.184.111 (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Temporary Relocation for 2012 

message: I think the SWB Yankees were established as the Reading Coal Barons. See Talk:International_League#Team_history_issues-_Scranton_Wilkes-Barrie_and_Columbus_franchises. Helix3255 (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding as the Reading Coal Barons