Talk:Hyde School (Maine)

message: The reference to the character compass had four items yet said there were "five" points. 
The pdf I just put in the citation has 5 pages. 
On the last page it says "continued on page 6" Innumeracy seems out of hand at Hyde. 
This seem especially bad because the school was founded by a math teacher. --Vincentvangopher 16:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can someone undo the most recent blanking? Since this is close to a content dispute, I'd be close violating the 3 revert rule if I changed it back. --Matt 18:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  counting at hyde 

message: I'm confused by the tense change in the History section.  The first sentence seems to be the only statement about the school's history, as it's the only sentence in that paragraph written in the past tense.  Everything that follows seems to refer to the present, and maybe should be moved to another section.  TJLink 02:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  history? 

message: Please stop editing this page to be an advertisement for Hyde. We can strike a balance between disparagement and blatant proselytism. So: begone. (I'm probably wasting my type. What Hyde marketing goon/HAPA parent would know what a talk page is?)
Djadvance (talk) 02:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  An open letter to the Hyde P.R. department 

message: I found this article to be full of unsourced promotional content, some copied directly from here hereand here . I've cut it back significantly in keeping with WP:EL, WP:PROSE,  WP:COATRACK, WP:SOAPBOX and WP:COPYVIO.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  19:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced promo content

message: This page is almost entirely comprised of material draw directly from the school's web page. I believe it should be heavily edited with proper citations or removed from the main space. Coffee312 (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-promotional and poorly sourced 

message: Since it appears this page has something of a contentious history, and I am a neutral party, I wanted to post a message to be transparent about all of the changes and expansion I've done today.
1) I've removed most of the promotional language. It was clear that a lot of information was pulled straight from the school website, sometimes with SmartQuotes still intact. I've also de-emphasized the 60 Minutes section, since it doesn't appear to have been as important as the article made it out to be, and because some of the info from the school was demonstrably false (for example, expansion talk began in the 1970s, not after the segment aired).
2) I've made it clearer that the school's emphasis is on students with behavioral and emotional challenges. It strikes me as odd that we didn't say that, since basically every profile I've found on the school stresses that, and the founder and leaders were very clear about that being the mission and target demographic. Press coverage as recently as three years ago confirms, so regardless of whether the school website explicitly states it, we need to acknowledge that truth (which certainly isn't anything shameful).
3) I've included a long, heavily-cited paragraph about discipline. Again, basically all non-sports press coverage is weighed towards discussing the disciplinary methods used, and the founder was very proud of it in his interviews. It's key to the whole story of the institution; it doesn't seen like something to hide. I've included a few examples of discipline methods cited by the founder, teachers, and students, spanning three decades. I've also included a line showing that there are differing perspectives -- some students have bad things to say, others have good, and there's no consensus.
I am hoping that by citing the daylights out of things, there will be no question about intentions or bias, and that we can agree to keep what's been added. Beginning (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Major revisions

message: "specializes in teaching character development to students with histories of emotional and behavioral challenges." The sources cited do not openly state that the students have histories of "emotional and behavioral challenges." Source 3 talks of "adjustment problems," source 4 talks of "students no one has been able to reach before" and only one girl who had been a truant, source 5 talks of "troubles," source 6 describes "boys and girls who struggle unsuccessfully with traditional academic programs but explicitly says that "not all...had behavior problems," and source 7 says, "Most of our students have had problems before coming to us. Maybe they were not doing well academically, maybe they were doing okay academically, but were lifeless, spiritless."
One idea for a change: "specializes in teaching character and leadership to a variety of students who have not flourished in traditional academic program for a variety of reasons, sometimes academic and sometimes behavioral." The same sources could be kept. Smaugfires (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weak Sources for Assertions 

message: I have temporarily removed the material below. The source (from what I can tell) is an anonymous chat thread. If I find reputable sources that refer to this, it (or a version of it) will be reinstated
Controversies
Hyde is frequently criticized for its liberal and pervasive usage of Attack Therapy, an outdated theory based on repeated humiliation and praise of children to modify behavior. This type of therapy has been repeatedly proven to cause lasting psychological damage to the participant. Licensed psychologists are not allowed to use this form of therapy in Maine. Some students have reported nightmares persisting years after receiving Attack Therapy at Hyde.MAE (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weakly Sourced Assertion? 

message: A user keeps deleting sources they claimed initially were attack sources and then said they were a blog. First, as below, the strugglingteen.com page is a news source and therefore can be cited. Next, blogs are not necessarily disallowed here. These sources therefore should not be deleted. This person may have a conflict of interest and be connected to the Hyde School. 
In 1995, StrugglingTeens.com went online as the original website for information about the many schools and programs available for troubled teens. The news and articles listed within this site provide an invaluable resource for both parents and professionals, as well as anyone interested in helping troubled teens find successful paths to adulthood.
With a combination of training and 20+ years of experience, our educational consultants provide balanced news, information, and provide professional help for parents of struggling and troubled teens helping families find programs, services and schools for teens and at risk youth.
Farr4h2004 (talk) 02:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allowed Sources 

message: "In 2002, a former female student filed a lawsuit against Hyde, alleging that the school knowingly tolerated and encouraged a pattern of sexual misconduct directed against her and other female students by a male faulty member, over a long period of time. The girl alleged further that the staff member initiated a "role-playing" incident with her in the course of which he insisted upon having full body contact with her, over her objection, while making lewd and inappropriate comments to her which included the phrase "fucking pussy". She also said that the staff member instructed a dance routine and required her to inappropriately dance with him. Hyde settled the lawsuit within one year of the girl filing the suit.
"
This inflammatory assertion cited inaccessible documents. There is no way to know if this is what the documents cited actually say.  Smaugfires (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly Sourced Assertions 

message: The original sentence focused on WHY Gauld founded the school. I changed the sentence to reflect what the source asserts to be the founding intention. There is a section below that describes the character of the student body the school ended up serving. Smaugfires (talk) 17:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to Reflect What the Source Says