Talk:Nancy Bird Walton

message: I notice that someone has already updated the page to include the naming of Qantas' first A380, even though that event is still 10 days into the future (and I wonder if they've got the correct date ?) OZ_Rhett (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Err - that was me - the naming ceremony has not yet taken place, but will take place on 30 Sep 2008, this is a low-volume article so I was counting on the eleven days passing for it to be actually correct. Will fix it now. :) Jtact (talk) 18:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And now?  Paul Beardsell (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authors getting ahead of themselves 

message: As alluded to above, there are variations on her name: Nancy Bird Walton, Nancy Bird-Walton and Nancy-Bird Walton. Likewise, should her surname be Walton, Bird-Walton or Bird Walton? Can we try to get some agreement here rather then engaging in potential edit disputes? WWGB (talk) 10:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Birth certificate Nancy Bird. Married a Walton, so Nancy Bird-Walton. Husband called her Nancy-Bird, so preferred Nancy-Bird Walton. I think Nancy Bird-Walton is most accurate, but as with other people's preferred vs actual names on Wikipedia, why not have "Nancy Bird-Walton, often known as Nancy-Bird Walton" or similar? Tim Bennett (talk) 23:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There must be a WP guideline on this.  Where is it?  Paul Beardsell (talk) 04:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In Australia, married women who take their husband's surname don't generally append their maiden name.  E.g. Mary Jones who marries Bert Bloggs doesn't become Mary Jones-Bloggs or Mary Bloggs-Jones (with or without hyphens).  There have been some exceptions, admittedly.  This practice is much more common in the USA.  Afaik, the only reason "Bird" appears in her name at all is because her husband, instead of calling her "Nancy", preferred to call her "Nancy-Bird", and the name stuck.  That means her first name is "Nancy-Bird", and that makes her "Nancy-Bird Walton", in my book.  If he'd just called her "Nancy", she'd almost certainly be referred to as just "Nancy Walton".  We can compare this with Margaret Smith, who first became famous under her maiden name, then married and became Margaret Court.  She's sometimes referred to as "Margaret Smith Court", but that's not her actual name, and our article is "Margaret Court".  The only real issue here is whether there's a hyphen at all, but if there is, where it goes.  We see both "Nancy-Bird Walton" and "Nancy Bird-Walton" in the media (not to mention "Nancy Bird Walton").  For the reasons I stated earlier, I vote for "Nancy-Bird Walton", with the unhyphenated version as my second choice.  The "Bird-Walton" version is not in accordance with the facts as I understand them.  --  JackofOz (talk) 03:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Nancy-Bird Walton, based on her husband's "pet" name, was her preference. In other sources, the National Treasures site  uses Nancy Bird-Walton, but then alphabetises it under "W"! The Australian Government honours website favours the other two forms  and , preferring the "N-B" version most recently. How about tossing a (three-sided) coin? WWGB (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can do better than that.  It seems the preponderance of evidence points to her surname being Walton, so let's go with that.  I'll make a change to the Defaultsort key.  --  JackofOz (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name? 

message: I have reverted the change from "female aviator" to "female aviatrix" back to "female aviator".  In many right-on PC circles the female version of job titles or profession names is now disparaged.  So be it.  That is the fashion.  And I have some sympathy with the fashion.  So, just as it is considered bad form to refer to someone as a manageress or a waitress (in NZ and perhaps elsewhere sometimes gender-less term "waitron" is now used) we should avoid aviatrix.  But, furthermore, to change from aviator to aviatrix and without removing "female" is illiterate.  Paul Beardsell (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Academy, the AFI, the BAFTA, and other film institutions still have separate awards for "Best Actor" and "Best Actress", although outside those contexts, they all refer to themselves as "actors".  Not sure what that proves, apart from inconsistency.  --  JackofOz (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The English language is odd but entirely consistent in that "actor" is either male or neutral, and "actress" is only female.  There are many, many examples.  Paul Beardsell (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, yes, I understand that.  I was just making the point that the female versions are not entirely deprecated by the PC police.  They still get trotted out when it suits the occasion.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You think that the PC police approve of awards?!?!?  Paul Beardsell (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll let that go.  Back to the topic, it's redundant to use the word "female", given that Nancy (with or without (-)Bird) is a female name.  You made that point above, but still chose to revert it to "female aviator".  That's easily rectified, however.  That leaves us with a choice of either "aviator" or "aviatrix".  I can't see much wrong with either, and am not fussed which one we use.  --  JackofOz (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "female aviator" / "female aviatrix" 

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