Talk:Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos)

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 08:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Request

message: Just thought I'd mention that the A38 is a normal "A" road. It runs between Gloucester and Bristol (and beyond). The newer M5 motorway runs more or less parallel.
Hope the above is of assistance.
Regards
Linden
: Note the existence of the A38 road article. The A38 is the longest road in England. Around the Severn Estuary real-world location that the Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos) is based on, it is known as the Bristol Road or Bristol Street. For the most part it is now superceeded by the M5 motorway in the real world. However we should not blur the distinction between the fictional A38 and the real-world road. Andrew Oakley 22:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The A38 

message: I'm from the "real world" Severn Valley, that is the area between Bridgnorth in Shropshire and Bewdley in Worcestershire, England UK, through which the River Severn flows south of Ironbridge Gorge.
The phrase "Severn Valley" is a common term to describe this geographic area.
Indeed it is,and it could be argued the valley extends all the way down from Shropshire to the Severn Estuary. In the the context of Campbell's fiction though the term applies to the area south of Gloucester.
Linden 
I am also a HP Lovecraft fan, and player of the Cthulhu Live RPG.
A number of other "real world" articles are erroneously linking here, including:
* Cotswolds - a region to the south of the Severn Valley
* Gloucester cattle - cows farmed along and south of the Severn Valley
* Oldbury Wells School - a high school in Bridgnorth
I think it unfair to expect a fictional location to be the default article in Wikipedia, when a real-world location of the same name exists, especially when the fictional and real-world locations differ so much.
Therefore I am asking for opinions. Please add a comment and say either:
* Keep
* Separate - create two articles; Severn Valley (England) and Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos), then have the main Severn Valley article as a disambiguation page
* Move - move this article to Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos) and place the real-world (England) article here, with a "See Also: Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos)" box-out at the top.
My vote is: Move
Andrew Oakley 13:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason to conduct a vote: this seems like a no-brainer move to me.  I shall do it as a first stage with a dab page at Severn Valley, discussion on whether to have the real location there or a dab page there is another matter.  Morwen - Talk 15:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, Morwen. As a Lovecraft enthusiast myself, yet with a vested interest in my own real-world heritage, I just wanted to stand back a little and be as polite as possible, to avoid stirring up controversey in what I know to be a well-educated fanbase. I'm quite happy with the dab page for the moment. Thanks again. Andrew Oakley 16:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't object to a move in principle, I think more than three hours could be allowed for discussion.  Is Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos) really the ideal name for this page?  Severn Valley (fiction) and Severn Valley (Ramsey Campbell) are two obvious alternatives.  17:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no objections to any naming provided the distinction between the real-world and Lovecraftian location is clear, and (optionally, ideally) the real-world article has a clearly implied precidence. I chose (Cthulhu Mythos) because it seemed to fit better into the existing Category:Cthulhu Mythos locations. Andrew Oakley 22:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move/Rename to Severn Valley (Cthulhu Mythos)