Talk:PPSh-41

message: Who deleted most of the users referenced in the article and why?KVLG (talk) 06:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They were deleted because they were unreferenced and tagged for several months. Without a citation the text is not verifiable so it does not contribute to the article. If you find citations for the other users you can add them back by following one of the citation templates. ROG5728 (talk) 07:32, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Users Section of the Article

message: the uk imperial war museum collections has one http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30029439 Man74 (talk) 23:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  K50M 

message: The PPSh-41 is called the "davaj guitar" in former soviet satellite states. This refers to the WWII Red Army soldier saying "davaj tshasi!" (hand over your wristwatch ... or I will shoot you!) because clocks were the most sought-after objects among soviet soldiers, they confiscated several millions of them from civilians and POWs. Afterwards the USSR bought several wrist-watch companies in Europe and transferred their equipment back to the USSR to satisfy the peoples appetite for clocks during the 1950s and 60s. 195.70.32.136 18:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dajav Guitar

message: Quoting from the latest article update:
some sources report, however, that the convertion attempts did not work
This being phrased as it is, it begs the question - what sources? int19h 07:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  German conversion attempts 

message: I just edited the article. In a couple of places in the article, it says that the cartridge used is the "7.62 mm Red Army round." I changed this because calling it a "Red Army round" is a colloquialism at best.  I instead listed the proper calibric measure, which is an internal link to the article on the cartridge itself.  The confusion that I wanted to clear up is simply that because 7.63 is not as well known as 7.62, and because the cartridge is officially known as 7.62, someone might be inclined to think this was a typo. It was not a typo. The 7.63 x 25 mm is actually 7.63 in measurement, but the name of the cartridge is 7.62 mm.  For this reason, I left the "cartridge" name as it is, but added the calibric measure as 7.62. MVMosin 00:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearing up possible confusion 

message: Any relation ? I thought it was. — maxrspct ping me  21:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes the PPSh is called "Tommy gun" because the drum magazine make them look similar, but other than that I don't think there's any relation.--Sus scrofa 22:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no relation at all. They have, however, been referred to as burp guns, as their high rate of fire produces bursts with a singular sound signature like "braaaaap" rather than "rat-a-tat-tat." Twalls 03:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tommy gun]]

message: While a video or two may be helpful, the external links to videos was starting to get a bit too big. I watched them all and picked the two that looked most informative.  Arthurrh 04:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External videos 

message: "The drum was a copy of the Finnish M31 Suomi magazine and held 71 rounds, but in practice misfeeding of the spring was likely to occur with more than 65 or so"
The PPSh-41 drum uses a coil spring that can be tightened by a soldier or armourer. It's not easy but I have done it myself so not impossible. I was under the impression that the cause of jamming was more the thin metal sides being prone to getting dented by the rigures of military use and thus getting stuck rounds. Loading instructions http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh41load.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GunpicsBAS (talk • contribs) 21:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "was copied and adopted by the Soviet Union for their PPD-40 and PPSh-41 submachine guns"                                                                                            This is not true, drum magazines for PPSh were made back in the mid-30s and adopted in 1938 as the basis for a submachine gun, that is, before the winter war with Finland" Цйфыву (talk) 22:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drum misfeeding 

message: This article lists the weapon's muzzle velocity, but without the bullet weight the muzzle energy and momentum can't be calculated.  (The article on 7.62x25mm lists more than one bullet weight, and the velocities on that page are for pistols.) Boris B (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bullet Weight

message: Is it 15 rounds/s ? I think it's error.--Dojarca (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  900 rounds/min 

message: Is the slang term "brass fountain" common or specific enough to redirect here, or sould it be left blank? The reason I'm asking is because, in my opinion, as it refers to the PPSh-41 it should redirect here, like how "Chicago typewriter" redirects to the Thompson, but I don't know if there is a reason it hasn't been done yet. Avianmosquito (talk) 21:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brass fountain 

message: What is purpose/value of the photo of the confiscated NVA weapons in this article?  There's no PPSh-41 in the photo.  Any objections to removing it?  Thanks. Good Skoda (talk) 18:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: The first video says to a PPSh with drum magazine is being fired, but the video actually has the box magazine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.204.114 (talk) 07:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was later switched to box mostly. I've added that info and why that was done. Someone not using his real name (talk) 07:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link Video 

message: Suite 101 is not a suitable source by any stretch of the imagination. Most of the text in any given article is taken from the corresponding Wikipedia articles. One soldier is pictured in 2004 carrying a PPSh-41, but that is not noteworthy or justification for saying "The United States Marine Corps currently uses captured (and likely converted to the 9x19mm NATO cartridge) PPSh-41s in Iraq". I will be removing the text again shortly because it consitutes original research combined with an unsuitable source. ROG5728 (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suite 101 

message: Please elaborate:
"While the compensator was moderately successful in this respect, it was achieved at the cost of greatly increased muzzle blast and noise."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.252.191.64 (talk) 16:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "muzzle flash" is what is meant with "muzzle blast", changing it.--Sus scrofa (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muzzle blast... what? 

message: Soviet/Russian sources aren't very consistent about this. Болотин gives 5.6 hours in the table on p. 111 (comparison with PPD), but then 7.3 on p. 119, when he compares it with the PPS. Perhaps the early Soviet estimates turned out wrong when put into mass production. Someone not using his real name (talk) 07:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  machining hours  

message: Halberstam does not talk specifically about PPSh-41. He just talks about the generic Chinese "burp gun". They had PPS-43 derivatives too. That section probably belongs in another, more general article about the conflict. Someone not using his real name (talk) 10:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea / Halberstam 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :PPSh-41's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ARES":
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:PPSh-41]] 

message: "during the Second World War, it was sometimes called the "burp gun" by German soldiers, because of its high fire rate." has no references. It is very unlikely that the Germans indeed said "burp gun". A Google search for possible German translations (Rülpsgewehr, Rülpskanone, Rülps-MG,...) doesn't produce results. No doubt, "burp gun" is a word. And it is obviously a nickname for this gun. At least today. Might I suggest to change the sentence to: "It is sometimes called the "burp gun", because of its high fire rate.", if no references are found. I'd like to add that the nickname "burp gun" could be an American invention. As this gun was used by many enemies of the USA during the cold war, it might have originated in several conflicts after WW2. Just for example: North Korea also used this weapon. I don't want to spread myths here, I just want to give hints for finding the origin of that nickname.--TeakHoken2003:ED:172A:AB00:F027:B97F:1D98:7F8C (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burp Gun