Talk:25 or 6 to 4

message: An expanded section of this article was deleted on the basis of WP:ATT
So why keep this uncited section? 130.156.31.33  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Solo

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:25 or 6 to 4.jpg

message: graduating high school in the 70s and having personal experimence would validate the drug references. the reference to the straightdope.com website is a real stretch and the page ADMITS that it only speculates on the meaning of the lyrics as an alternative to drug interpretation.
a reference to the lyrics would allow people to make their own inferences.
Lyrics:
Waiting for the break of day
Searching for something to say
Flashing lights against the sky
Giving up I close my eyes
Sitting cross-legged on the floor
25 or 6 to 4
Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4
Feeling like I ought to sleep
Spinning room is sinking deep
Searching for something to say
Waiting for the break of day
25 or 6 to 4
25 or 6 to 4
Interpretation:
Waiting for the break of day - typical LSD is "speedy", keeping one awake like a stimulant
Searching for something to say - its hard to speak coherently while tripping
Flashing lights against the sky - LSD trips vary from flashing lights to CCRs "looking out my backdoor"  
Giving up I close my eyes - limiting visual stimulation can 
Sitting cross-legged on the floor - not unusual with peyote or "passing the pipe"
Staring blindly into space - like my friend who dropped acid at Grateful Dead concerts
Getting up to splash my face - we do that after sex, too.
Wanting just to stay awake - to see more visuals, they change towards the end of the trip
Wondering how much I can take - visuals? re next line? LSD has tolerance so 2X or 3X 1st dose
Should I try to do some more - "some more" drugs. friends often extended LSD trip by taking more
25 or 6 to 4 - LSD25 or just "25" was alternates for LSD, Quaaludes had "624" on the pill, and often given to friends to help "come down" from a bad trip.
Feeling like I ought to sleep - crash hard staying up, hence take 624
Spinning room is sinking deep - sensory hallucination. straightdope.com doesn't explain how this relates to songwriting.
taking LSD during the day or at concerts was a bit different. drop before going to bed and it woke you up a few hours later to intense hallucinations fading into dreams. LSD was variable in its effect  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shjacks45 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug connection? 

message: : How is this song Hard Rock. Hard Rock, to me I think of bands such as, Led Zeppelin, Rush, KISS.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.132.207.149 (talk) 21:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hard Rock

message: Is this the song the Blues Brothers attempt to open their performance with at the truck stop, before getting booed off the stage?  If so, does that count as a cover version?67.122.209.117 (talk) 17:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blues Brothers 

message: In case we ever make an ==In popular culture== section, we might include this.  VH-1 Classic's show, That Metal Show, Season 12, Episode 1, aired June 1, 2013, Jason Newsted (former bassist of Metallica) says that this song has the first riff he learned to play. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 08:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

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message: Yes I know it's a redlink but not likely to remain one, see User:Andrewa/Leonid & Friends. Andrewa (talk) 21:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonid & Friends 

message: The "riff" is a descending minor line cliche, that's why it's compared to other songs as they're all doing the same thing. There isn't an English article to link but found this https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Clich%C3%A9  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.116.98.182 (talk) 07:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line Cliché 

message: QUOTE (as of the date-and-time of this comment, the text below is in the article):
In a 2013 interview, Robert Lamm said he composed "25 or 6 to 4" on a twelve-string guitar with only ten strings—it was missing the two low E strings—and that he wrote the lyrics in one day.
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The pair of strings that is closest to the ceiling (if the 12-string guitar is held typically) consists of two strings an octave apart. Only one of them is low. If those are the two strings that were missing, say so. But this kind of thing is why I take Wikipedia under advisement instead of believing that it's authoritative.2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 (talk) 07:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  12-string guitars don't (generally) have two low "E" strings