Talk:Axis mundi

message: The "background" section states that the axis mundi occurs in "all cultures."  This seems to be a pretty extreme blanket statement, espescially without any sort of attribution.  I would lean towards its removal or qualification in absence of very solid source material. Bolddeciever (talk) 23:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but the problem is spread throughout the entire article.  I've flagged the article for now as I'm unsure of how to proceed next. Almost every claim in the body could be flagged for requiring a citation, but that's moot because the entire thing reads as if it was written from within a fictional universe. This thing requires a major re-write, but I don't feel comfortable attempting that task myself. Matt Deres (talk) 02:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "All cultures?" 

message: Hey, the article came back. Thanks!
Praise be to whatever Wiki gods there be.
I'll plan to get some more references in this, including the Eliade sources.
Alton
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:We can, I think, be quite sure the cutting of the article was an accident that happened while an editor refined the caption to the image in the lead, so I simply went into the article history and restored the lost stuff by copying and pasting from an older version. Since your work was there to be found, be assured that no thanks are necessary. 86.44.19.25 (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eternal or Not, A Return

message: A great tree that reaches heaven is mentioned in the Qur'an, and there is actually a Wiki article on it (Sidrat al-Muntaha). 88.86.31.169 (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic tree 

message: The entire "Modern Storytelling" section should be deleted - it's just a random collection of fictional references to any of the dozens of essentially unrelated things listed earlier. That Tolkien mentioned trees or C.S. Lewis mentioned lampposts sheds no light on those works, those things, or the concept of "axis mundi". That the Emerald City "stands at the center of the four compass directions" doesn't make it noteworthy since *every* city does that, in or out of fiction. And so on. Sometimes a gout of flame is just a gout of flame. --Blogjack (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some vigorous trimming at the very least.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 00:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Modern Storytelling" section should be deleted 

message: A bunch of Japanese mythology articles are linking the "bridge between heaven and earth" (aka. "the heavenly floating bridge") to this article, Axis mundi. However, there's no mention of it here. Instead there's some claim that Mt. Fuji is the Japanese axis mundi (it's even the picture which this article displays biggest), which seems quite inconsistent with Japanese mythology (while Fuji is obviously Japan's most prominent mountain, the connection with the heavens was somewhere else like Tsukuba. Fuji is described like a conceited minor character, snubbing the gods and even knocking over Mt. Haku to become the tallest, but Fuji does not feature as the central axis of the world). Nor does the bridge between heaven and earth match up with the idea of world tree/axis in other cultures, after all the bridge floats from place to place like a rainbow rather than being a fixed point for all things to revolve around. (I barely dare mention Japan's heavenly jeweled spear, around which the world was created, lest someone else shallowly claim that was really the same as a world tree!) Can anyone supply citations that justify Japan being mentioned in this article at all? (Otherwise, with respect, this page comes off looking like an original synthesis - prohibited by wikipedia policy against original research, and reasonably so if the connection between the other elements here is as foundationless as these unexplained examples presently seem.) Cesiumfrog (talk) 22:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely with your criticisms, Cesiumfrog.  My own comment is rather omnibus vice specific in nature, and this looks like a great place to begin.  This article reads like a press release for whatever company manufactures Axes Mundi.  The totem pole, while not actually totemic, is heraldric, not the center of the world.  Fuji-san is not the center of the world in Japan, and never has been.  Yamato, Nara/Kyoto, Edo.  Those are the various origins and centers in mainstream Japan, at different times.  The contributor Alton has done an admirable amount of work, but along the way may have extended the idea of Axis Mundi to include nearly everything "important".  If my child is the "center of my world", that does not qualify as an axis mundi, no matter how many words are devoted to that task.  Haakondahl (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan 

message: Could the sceptre as one of the main regalia of any monarch have anything to do with axis mundi symbolism? Considering that kingship probably has sacral origins (priest-kings) and given the close connection of axis mundi symbolism to sacred and royal architecture, that would seem a plausible hypothesis, but I am no expert. Any experts here to comment on this? --Thewolf37 (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sceptre and axis mundi symbolism 

message: From the lead: "As the celestial pole and geographic pole, it expresses a point of connection between sky and earth where the four compass directions meet." Maybe sounds good and poetic, but the geographical pole doesn't represent the connection between sky and earth, is not a point and along its axis meet just north and south not the 4 compass directions. The celestial pole, do represent the points of connection between sky and earth but not between east and west. IMHO the lead would be much better without this sentence. --Dia^ (talk) 06:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic pole 

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message: The supposed occurrences in Middle Earth were utterly wrong.  This motif may exist in Tolkien's writing, but Orodruin is *not* it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.228.15 (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Earth 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: This is an  with a full section of unreferenced listcruft.
The topic is important, but it needs to be treated as a concept in comparative mythology in Eliade's school, and the presentation must be entirely based on Eliade's works and their later reception. People don't come here (I hope) for random waffling, there is the blogosphere for that. They come here for a concise overview of the literature on the topic.
From a quick review, it appears that the literature begins with Eliade, c. 1954, but if there is earlier material (from Frazer, Jung, etc.) of course it should be included (with explicit references). --dab (𒁳) 13:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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