Talk:Muslim Rajputs

message: Jinnah Was from  memon indian  family  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akram Rajpoot (talk • contribs) 19:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if you are aware, but Khoja is a faith title for a subsect of the Shia rather than a solid lineal family name. Many Muslim Rajputs are also Shia, Khoja, Salafi, Sufi, Ismaili (wit some branches in Jhelum who are of the minority Ahmediya sect) as well as some Christians in UK). Jinnah in Barristers outfit has no bearing on his descent and therefore is nonsensical to remove. This will remain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revolution51 (talk • contribs) 09:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Jinnah a Rajput 

message: I have taken the liberty change parts of the article itself to make it more historical correct. I have also removed certain references which make no note of Muslim Rajputs, James Tod for instance didn't even reckognise muslims as rajput and instead called them converts. The only standing reference is one which I havn't read and therfore cannot comment on.
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DO NOT INCLUDE PICTURES OF FARZANA RAJA OR GENERAL KIYANI PPLEASE AS THEY ARE GHAKHARS AND NOT KSHATRIYA.
since this is apparently a controversial topic, it isn't enough to just list a couple of "References" at the end. You should rather point out in the text which statement is taken from which reference, ideally giving page numbers. Statements so sourced can be imported back into the Rajputs article. dab (ᛏ) 15:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Malaiya is right there. Let's try and elaborate this article. I am making an open request here to all wikipedians who can contribute in any way to this. Let's keep this page civil and open for all to help. he term Rajput is undoubtably a Hindu one and many Hindu (non Rajput and Rajput) editors can contribute here with excellent info such as Malaiya has just done. --Raja 20:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random Comments 

message: See also
* Punjabi Muslim tribes from Hindu Lineage
* Hindu and Buddhist heritage of Pakistan
* Punjab,' Pakistan
* History of the Punjab
* Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947
* Punjab region
* Punjab, India
* Punjabi people
* Punjabi Culture
* Rajput Regiment
Atulsnischal 21:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added other relevent articles under '''"See also"''' 

message: Musharraf is from a Syed family.  His father's name was Syed Musharrafuddin.
I believe this was alleged by a Meo user. The name has been removed now. Unless a source is found to corroborate this, I suggest  it stays out of this page.--Raja 16:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musharraf 

message: DEAR FELLOWS DOES ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT THE KLOTHRA RAJPUTS OF KASHMIR 
PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING IN THIS REGARD  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.27.81 (talk) 16:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  KLOTHRA RAJPUTS OF KASHMIR 

message: I take your point on Jinnah, he was a Khoja, as such a Bania and not a Rajput. But the Bhutto clan definitely claims Rajput ancestry. I have extended family members from the village of Salar Bhutto. They claim to be Bhatti from Bikaner, whose ancestor Sheto converted to Islam during Aurangzeb's rule. As regards to the clans in the list, all claim Rajput ancestry. In Sindh, those who claim to Samma ancestry claim to be Rajput. The Jadeja and Chudasama of Gujerat are also of Samma ancestry and are still Hindu.They still use the title Jam, which also used by Muslim Samma clans. All the Kashmir clans are Dogras, most still have Hindu branches.
:Agreed. Jinna point removed and pic also removed until proven with reputable sources to the contrary.
Bhutto / Bhutta are Rajputs.  They are related to Bhatias and Bhattis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.115.165 (talk) 08:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jinnah not a Rajput but Bhutto is 

message: "However, raping was never allowed my Muslim armies and any distribution of women was as wives.. and this prevents societies taking advantage of vunerable women who would other fall into disrepute or be victims of abuse." (Quoting the editor 'Raja of Chibistan')
Hello Raja of Chibistan,
How do you explain the Right Hand Possessions mentioned in Quran? 
With regard to the women, they become slaves and “those whom one's right hand possesses” (described as a “right hand servant” in the question). Male children also become slaves. The ruler shares out these slaves among the mujaahideen....Rather Islam made them the property of their masters alone, and forbade anyone else to also have intercourse with them, even if that was his son.
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/12562
Are you telling the readers that "mujahideen" did not have intercourse with their captured female slaves? What makes you think that the captured Rajput women would have escaped from forced sexual intercourse (rape) by the Muslim masters whose property they would become after their Kafir husbands or fathers were killed in the battle? I think the Rajput custom of Jauhar was the direct consequence of this behavior of Muslim armies, a behavior which seems to have scriptural sanction in Islam. I am making sure that I have quoted from a Muslim source (which obviously describes "right hand possessions" in a less  damaging light than a neutral or hostile source would).  Kindly enlighten. 
Complete citation about Right Hand Possession from Quran(verse 23:6):
Illa AAala azwajihim aw ma malakat aymanuhum fa-innahum ghayru maloomeena
Except on (to) their spouses or what their rights/oaths owned/possessed (i.e. caregivers under contract), so they truly are not blameworthy/blamed
 
Yusuf Ali's exegesis: 
 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame
 
--Satyashodak (talk) 04:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately my friend, this article doesn't justify Islamic ayah's but merely describes Rajputs who left Hinduism and converted to Islam, for whatever reason. If you want elaboration of Ayah's please consult a local Mosque ;-)--~Raja~ (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jauhar and Captured Rajput women as Right Hand Possessions ("ma malakat aymanukum") of Quran (verse 23:6) 

message: Dear Sir,
I have to mention here that I was conferred Sitara-e-Imtiaz on March 23, 2006 in the field of Biotechnology. I am Rajoka Rajput from District Jhang. my name also be added after Dr. Khalid Mahmmod Khan.
I have published 124 papers with an impact factor of 102 and my work has been cited by 395 scientists. In productive scientists of Islamic Countries  organization I earned an grand points of 1052. I was declared 7th Productive Biologist of Pakistan (Productive Scientists  of Pakistan 2007 published by PCST, Government of Pakistan).
Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Rajoka
Deputy Chief Scientist (Ex)
Advisor to Member biosciences, PAEC,
NIBGE, Faisalabad.
Tel.041-2550815
Cell. 0333 6535158  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.89.36 (talk) 09:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Achievements of Rajputs 

message: Dear Sir,
I have to mention here that I was conferred Sitara-e-Imtiaz on March 23, 2006 in the field of Biotechnology. I am Rajoka Rajput from District Jhang. my name also be added after Dr. Khalid Mahmmod Khan.
I have published 124 papers with an impact factor of 102 and my work has been cited by 395 scientists. In productive scientists of Islamic Countries  organization I earned an grand points of 1052. I was declared 7th Productive Biologist of Pakistan (Productive Scientists  of Pakistan 2007 published by PCST, Government of Pakistan).
Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Rajoka
Deputy Chief Scientist (Ex)
Advisor to Member biosciences, PAEC,
NIBGE, Faisalabad.
Tel.041-2550815
Cell. 0333 6535158  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.89.36 (talk) 09:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Achievements of Rajputs 

message: Please also consider listing Qaim Khan who was a Chauhan Rajput. His sub-tribe converted to Islam (time of Balban?) This is significant because subsequently they were called Qaimkhanis. General Perwez Musharraf is said to be a Qaimkhani.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.28.174.24 (talk) 02:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, but Gen Musharaf is a Syed, son of Syed Musharaf udin, not a Rajput.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revolution51 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qaimkhanis as Rajput Chauhan 

message: In 1858 General Penny was killed in an ambush at Kakrala, when leading a force, comprising the Multan Horse, to Budaon. Kakrala was the abode of Moslem Bhati Rajputs who had been relocated from Sirhind, because of Sikh attacks, during Shah Jehan's times.  Can anyone identify which of the illustrious houses of Rajputs & people from Multan & the Dera Jat had ancestors serving in the Multan Horse at that time? 
The punishment for the people of Kakrala was that no one from Kakarala was ever to be recruited into the British Army, or any official service. Had General Penny's wife had her away, every male Rajput of Kakrala would have been killed & salt ploughed in their fields.
by Jaffer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.115.3 (talk) 12:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1858 Multan Horse action at Kakrala under General Penny 

message: The reason why I say this is, the title Rajput is given to a person who defends "Dharma" (which is Hinduism). It is like a Knighthood in Medieval times was given to those who defend Christianity. The title therefore seems to suggest that Muslims who defend Hinduism. Surely that is a contradiction? Here is one link and another . I can find many more. --Sikh-History 22:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really bro, as we've mentioned countless times before, it's simply a title which literally means son of a royal or Raja. In fact the second source you  provided a link for also confirms this in the next paragraph. The issue of protecting the Dharma is a very touchy one, as many Rajputra kings actually robbed and sacked many Hindu temples upon conquering eachothers lands as a sign of conquer, so clearly this isn't the case. Ultimately, the title given to a protector of Dharma in all the scriptures is Kshatriya, not Rajput. There is not one single ancient Vedas, Upanishadic, Smriti or holy book that mentions this duty of a Rajput at all, only kshatriya bro.--~Raja~ (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this be retitled Muslims of Rajput Origin? 

message: There is a dispute at on the page Khatri.  keeps reverting the article to a version which says:
:"Khatri is the name given to Mair Rajputs, Sikh Rajputs and Muslim Rajputs"
The citations provided to support this statement (and some other statements) failed verification -- other editors checked the sources provided, but could not find any text which says that Mair/Sikh/Muslim Rajputs are Kshatriya.
The page has been protected now to prevent a revert war, and the current version of the page contains the above claim of Rajputs being Khatri in the intro.
If you are knowledgable about the topic Rajput, or have a source which proves/disproves the above claim, please help resolving the dispute at Talk:Khatri. utcursch | talk 06:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment needed at Talk:Khatri 

message: this is useless list, any muslim claiming to be rajput has been added in this list, i am not saying that no muslim is rajput many of them are clearly rajputs mainly soldiers but these jinnah and bhutto as far as i knew as a maratha rajput that jinnah ancestors were baniya(trader) hindu and not rajputs similarly Bhutto is described as a "LOWER CASTE HINDU" .  Have you ever heard the name of "Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj" destroyer of Mogul Empire, protector of hinduism destroyer of muslims his clan was clearly a rajput clan "BHOSLE ARE SISODIA" their are more than enough evidence to include his name in list of rajputs but we have not done so as their is one more claim even though this claim is not backed by much solid evidences plz visit Bhoslethe evidence of Shivaji being a rajput is very very strong but still we have not added his name among rajputs as it is not 100% sure say its 80-90% guranteed then how can you add the names of those muslims who dont have any trace of "THEMSELVES BEING RAJPUTS" .
Provide reference otherwise as myself being a Hindu Maratha Rajput will start deleting these names you cant add any names as per your liking this list is fake and to show that we all were upper caste hindus. It seems all muslims were either "ARABS OR RAJPUTS" come out of your myth "99% OF MUSLIMS BELONG TO LOWER HINDU CASTES". In one week add as much reference as possible otherwise i will start deleting names 122.161.78.118 (talk) 11:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So if you're a Rajput but you don't serve in the army, you're no longer a Rajput either, then? Rajputs aren't allowed to work in construction, business or telecommunications because of some historical rule? The same applies to your inane logic about changing your religion somehow changing your ancestral affiliation Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Please stop SHOUTING. A lot of your comments above appear to me to be original research, which you have been told is not acceptable here. - Sitush (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: i am gonna delete 99% of these names if reference are not added

message: I have now twice recently reverted an IP contributor. Let's start with some of the basics:
*WP:MOSFLAG says no flags in infoboxes for subjects such as this
*a recent RfC has created issues regarding the use of Indic scripts in lead sections
*Encyclopaedia Britannica is a tertiary source - not hopeless, but for something like a population figure we would usually expect to be able to find a decent secondary source
*some of the added content - relating to languages - appeared simply not to be sourced.
Finally, and this one is perhaps more awkward, can someone please explain why this is a reliable source? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the IP has added the Britannica reference etc again. How does an article about the Indian state of Rajasthan form a citation for the Pakistani Muslim Rajput population? Surely this is poor stuff? It does not even appear to mention the word million or the figure 1,000,000. Am I going blind here? - Sitush (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent add/revert cycle 

message: This should be merged with the main Rajput article, with separate sections for Hinduism and Islam. Please discuss on Talk:Rajput. Parsh (talk) 13:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: this whole rajput is muslim is fake because rajputs are hindu so they can't follow mohmad correct?
so someone spam this info for harresment please delete whole content Ssdaddfgarvgwe232 (talk) 12:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please have a look at the sources and let us know if any of them don't support the cited material. Otherwise you may point to even stronger sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2020 

message: World total population Rajput? 2401:4900:58BC:FDBD:2ED6:8439:A332:74EE (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  World total population Rajput ? 

message: Please advise why you characterised single edits as an edit war. Please provide sources for Soomras and Sammas being Rajputs.RuudVanClerk (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rajput status of Soomras and Sammas 

message: Mayo Muslim Rajputs Ahsan Ali Rajput (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Meo Rajput add to this article  

message: Mewatis are Rajputs from Jaduan clan so please add them in Muslim Rajputs Ahsan Ali Rajput (talk) 12:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2022 

message: @Gotitbro Hi, can you explain why you removed mention of Bengali and Bangladesh in the lead? There are many Bangladeshis of Rajput origin even today. Also, what is the issue with the painting of Isa Khan? SalamAlayka (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the images (rulers of Mewat and Bengal) I removed had no provenance as to where they came from/who created them; they are contemporary artworks probably extracted from websites and likely copyrighted. The article is better off without them. As to the current presence of Rajputs in Bengal that would require contemporary group study which affirms the same, the content you added does talk about the group's presence historically but not contemporarily. Gotitbro (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bengal 

message: please clarify why you are removing sourced content relating to the possible Baloch origin of the Langahs and the possible Arab origin of the Soomros. If this is not resolved, I will need to raise this to the admins to mediate but your edit summaries are not a sufficient explanation. Thanks. Ixudi (talk) 13:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: My sources do indeed mention that there are a variety of theories regarding their origins. Please read my edits, I mentioned the word possible. As there is debate as to their origins and it is not clear as to whether they are Rajput, the information is relevant. There is also the larger discussion as to whether “Rajputs” from Pakistan are actually just Rajputised Jats. I hope this was clear and please don’t remove sourced content again. Thank you. Ixudi (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Actually it relevant. At Wikipedia, we cannot just post about one aspect of their origin. That would be dishonest. We must cover all aspects including origins that they themselves claimed. This discussion is detailed in Susan Bayly’s work of course, a much more reliable source I am sure you would agree. Ixudi (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of sources detailing a Arab origin 

message: Why are we going into so much detail about dynasties & so little about "normal people? It looks like puffery (glorification) to me - the dynasties need only to be listed & linked here. - Sitush (talk) 10:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynasties 

message: Add in Information about Gakhars as the had last Rajput Kingdom in Punjab and were Dominant in Pothwar for hundreds of years 2A00:23C2:8B01:CC01:853E:D4C2:CF1:DB5 (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gakhar Kingdom 

message: Remove the word yadu. 2409:4050:2DB5:7F26:0:0:344A:C700 (talk) 13:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: no reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2023