Talk:Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan pipeline

message: From the looks of it this pipeline may possibly be a underlying reason for the recent events in Georgia. Worth investigating? Mabuse (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Georgia-Russia crisis

message: It seems as if this pipeline avoided going through Armenia.  Does anybody know why?  H Padleckas 20:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, Armenia is the least stable of the three Caucasian republics, and relations between Turkey and Armenia are rather poor, not to mention that Armenia and Azerbaijan have been fighting a border-dispute war on and off for the past 15 years. —thames 21:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

text: This route was chosen based on geostrategic interests. Armenia is aligned with Russia--Confuzion 01:00, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

text: There's no conspiracy. The pipeline is primarily an Azerbaijani project (to benefit their own oil industry as well as Baku as a Caspian port). Armenia and Azerbaijan have a cease-fire but are basically at war. It would be foolish for the Azeri government to run a strategic economic asset through enemy territory. --Dhartung | Talk 07:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Armenia also has no diplomatic relations with Turkey. There have certainly been border problems - the border between the two countries is currently closed and has been for some time. The issue has been in the news only this week. -- ChrisO 15:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Turkey has had a closed border with armenia since about '93 because they are aligned with Azerbajian. 96.231.1.42 (talk) 04:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Treaty of Kars link explains one reason for closed Turkish-Armenian border.
I've added some explicit 'Western interests' phrases as there was (is) too much Western and US ethnocentrism in the article - these pipeline routes have been chosen to favour Western allied interests in particular. Emerging industrial giants like Russia, China and India have an interest in direct oil routes and pipelines also.  I don't really like this article, it's too 'cosy' and 'oily' (no pun intended) around Western interests and 'oil panic', and political and commercial power plays.  I dispute the 8-9% of Middle Eastern oil export to US figure supplied, it could be more like 12% - ~20% of ~60% imports - hence the increasing role of unsavoury geopolitics in the region, the desire to get around OPEC countries in general (40% of US imports), not to mention profits made by infrastructure (pipeline) companies.
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#imports
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
--Sean01 00:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: where does it all go??

message: Interesting. A pipeline opens, running through Georgia, and Bush visits Georgia to anounce that democracy is succeeding in the country and that the U.S. should support them! Ulterior motive? Maybe...  
(Only 'maybe'???)
: The US backed the Rose Revolution but the pipeline was in the works for many years before that. Nobody benefited from Georgia being a failed state, except perhaps Russia (who still has "peacekeepers" in Georgia). --Dhartung | Talk 07:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the pipeline was in the works under the Shevardnaze government in Georgia before the Rose Revolution occurred.  Russia is still sponsoring separatists in Georgia (in Abkhazia and South Ossetia). —thames 14:01, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Didnt some guy throw a grenate at bush but it didnt explode? Baku87 08:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bush in Georgia 

message: From the article:
: Although some have touted the pipeline as potentially removing the dependence of the US and other Western nations on oil from Russia and the Middle East, in reality the vast majority of oil will still come from those regions. The pipeline will, however, help to diversify the global oil supply and so will insure to an extent against a failure in supply elsewhere.
Doesn't the USA receive its oil from Venezuella? Do they get any oil from the Middle East? at0 23:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out e.g. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/september96/iraq_oil_9-5.html - figures it gives are 2/3 of all global oil reserves are located in the Middle East, 50% of all global oil supplies come from the Middle East and 8 or 9% of US oil supplies come from there. So it's a significant figure. A loss in ME oil (from Iran or Saudi Arabia, say) would have a major impact on the US economy - the BTC pipeline helps to insure against that to some degree. -- ChrisO 00:08, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dependence of the USA

message: This article states that "The related BP-led project to construct a trans-Caspian gas pipeline to from Kazakhstan to Turkey finished in July, 2006". That's incorrect, because:
* no gas pipeline was finished in July 2006
* Later this year will be finished South Caucasus Pipeline (also known as Baku-Tblisi-Erzerum Pipeline). But this pipeline as nothing to do with gas from Kazakhstan or from Turkmenistan as long as Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline between Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan will be built.
* There is intention to build the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline, but nothing decided yet and the future of this project remains unclear.
For these reasons I'm deleting the above-mentioned sentence. I also plan to write an artcile on the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline soon. Beagel 17:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline

message: This article is not about Turkish economy only, but rather about a project involving three countries and operated by an international consortium. Therefore I think it's not correct to put "Economy of Turkey" template into this page and I will revert last editions. I have nothing against if the relevant category will be added (together with Economy of Azerbaijan and Economy of Georgia).Beagel 11:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish economy

message: ::"[Because of catalytic converters,] each of the 7,600 hp (5,700 kW) engines have reduced their carbon dioxide and volatile organic compounds emissions by greater than 90% providing a significant air quality improvement over the 350 tanker shipments through the Bosphorus.[36]" ???
This is not supported by the reference, AND is not credible.  No catalytic converter could possibly reduce CO2 emissions of an engine 90%.  Someone should look into who inserted this comment and review their other edits.--IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 20:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This insertion is here This is the only edit from this IP address. Beagel (talk) 21:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Perhaps the intended comparison was of the CO2 and VOC emissions of the tankers vs. the pump engines.--IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment 

message: The "Possible transhipment via Israel" seems very out of date - if I understand it, it's saying "Israel might get some of the oil from the BTC pipeline".  Israel is currently getting 20% of their oil from Georgia, some of which they get via the BTC pipeline:   .   If anyone feels confident in doing so, please update this section!  Also, the Georgia page has a similar oversight, which I've brought up in the talk page.  Thanks! --Eeblet (talk) 07:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't knew. My understanding is that this section deals with possible transit shipments through Israel. I don't knew if there are any current transit shipments. If you have any idea how to improve this section, feel free to go ahead doing this.Beagel (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel section out of date? 

message: The only reason that the route through Georgia was chosen was because the more direct route through Armenia was impossible due to the ongoing war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. There are no credible sources that say otherwise. Meowy 19:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read carefully. I did not revert your edits, I restored references. In your post at the talk page you did not say why you removed references – you explained the change of text which I agree with you. Beagel (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I thought that your edit was a revert to restore everything, hence my terse edit summary. I should have looked more carefully. However, those two sources are not needed. The eurasianet source says nothing about the actual route. "Armenia: A Neighbor from Hell?" (aside from the fact that it is a piece of propaganda, written by Sedat Laciner) also says absolutely nothing about the route of the pipeline. Meowy 19:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a reference to this paragraph, which is more neutral and already in use in this article. Beagel (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. Thanks. BTW, the pipeline was closed in August 2008 because of the South Ossetia War - the mention of the closure as a result of an explosion is correct but I think the delay in reopening it was due to the war. However I don't have a source for this. Some source is also needed for the PKK claim - although they claimed it, there was doubt at the time that the explosion was a result of sabotage. Meowy 20:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of some amateurish nonsense  

message: Under the Technical Features paragraph there is a sentence that I doubt is correct.
"Out of all of the pipeline, there are 100 ducks swimming around without feet."   
I do not believe this is correct, after being transported 1000 miles under pressure in an oil pipeline the ducks, with or without feet will not be swimming around.
I think this sentence should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysonRichard (talk • contribs) 16:21, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are 100 ducks swimming around without feet? 

message: The introduction says that the pipeline started pumping in May and that the oil didn't reach the end of the pipeline until May the following year. The references are broken links. Anyone know if this is a typo or if it should both be 2006?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheerioswithmilk (talk • contribs) 20:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is correct. Beagel (talk) 16:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

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