Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Archive 8

message: How do you set your signatures so you get a link to the Esperanza page and your talk page, and in different colors? Mine is pretty boring, as you can see. Jimbo (not THE Jimbo) 02:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are the instructions for the green 'e', taken from Wikipedia:Esperanza/So you've joined Esperanza...
 
#Click "my preferences" at the top of the screen.
#In the nickname box, replace one of the "e"s with e.
#Click "raw signatures" and save! Then, when you use the 4 tildes (~~~~), your username will have a green "e" in it and a link to Esperanza.
Other colors/linkings are along similar lines... -- Natalya 02:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks both of you! See the result? Jfingers88 04:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice. However, I might caution you about the links to the Main Page and Wikipedia:Stub. Some inexperienced users (and occasionally some unattentive veterans) might accidentally leave a message intended for you on those pages. Just look through the messages on this page to see how many people have been confused. We're currently trying to develop a solution to this problem. Perhaps you can add some of those links as superscripts or subscripts at the end of your signuture, in order to avoid confusion. Please don't feel obligated to heed my suggestion; the decision is entirely yours, as long as you remain within Wikipedia guidelines. --TantalumTelluride 05:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefr to use the follwing shceme: Arundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs) in my sig -- that way they can click on my name and come to the Esperanza page as well as see my contribs and talk page easily. Arundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs) 17:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature flair 

message: I started a discussion on the membership talk page that I now think I should have started here for visibility. NoSeptember talk 13:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protection vs. an eligible voters list

message: Is there a specific page for the Advisory Council? --Revolución (talk) 00:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Advisory Council

message: We have a charter section regarding personal attacks:
:Esperanza members may be suspended for persistent and gross vandalism or violation of civility.
But no enforcement policy.  I found a personal attack made by an Esperanza member (who for obvious reasons I won't name here.)  I would like to make a proposal to give the above statement some teeth by allowing the Advisory Committee to sanction members for vandalism or incivility.  Ral315 (talk) 07:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ral: I'd be happy to enforce that clause. Perhaps email me the name? Personal attacks are not acceptable within Wikipedia, let alone Esperanza. --Celestianpower háblame 11:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for charter amendment. 

message: I love Esperanza and what it stands for. However I treat willful rudeness, hypocrisy, or mistreatment of other users with a rather harsh fist, especially when long-time editors attack newbies. While I think I do a good job of never making personal attacks and of citing my claims with others' edits, I admit that I am... brusque when I am positive I am in the right on an issue. Is there an equivalent of an Esperanza bouncer, for when kind words just don't work with other users? Because if so,  I think that may be me.
If you guys honestly think I should be kicked out of the nice-guy club, I won't argue. :) Semiconscious • talk 21:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, everyone makes mistakes. Moving forward, just try to always stay positive, especially with people with whom we disagree. Good luck. --LV (Dark Mark) 21:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, don't worry about it. Just learn from it and walk away next time: don't let it rile you up. --Celestianpower háblame 23:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: My point was, I'm not unhappy with the way I reacted. I’m beginning to realize that the forceful personalities on WP need to be met with force. I've noticed many vandals and POV-pushers end up getting their way out of sheer stubbornness. I feel this trend needs to be counteracted with a somewhat heavy fist. While this makes many people uncomfortable, I've seen too many good users leave WP out of frustration caused by these circumstances. This is unacceptable; we need as many kind, knowledgeable editors as we can find. I don't easily get riled up: every word I say is rather carefully measured. I'm just tired of seeing jerks pushing around newbies and all the good people of WP. Semiconscious • talk 01:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what you mean is you wouldn't mind being the "bad cop" with all/many others being the good cops?  I've taken that part too already, though when I looked back on it I think I could have done it better/kinder.  There definitely are situations where we need someone who'd be willing to be the "bad cop" because sometimes people need to be told to take a step back and/or to cut it out.  Otherwise a good bunch of good people are forced to spend an awful lot of time on unproductive arguments.  When I intervened, it allowed the main target of the stubborn user to engage the near-troll afterwards and perhaps make him listen to the ways things are done around here.  The jury's still out but there is a chance he'll be able to get him to come around.  Without my telling him, I'm convinced, they'd still be arguing (and this guy would still be vandalizing pages).  Acting as the bad cop isn't what I like to do, but I agree, sometimes it seems to be necessary.  --Mmounties 06:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... I hadn't thought of it that way. I've stopped reading internet message boards because I can't stand trolls, but I don't want to quit WP because it actually means something. Seeing WP taken over by trolls would be upsetting. By providing a focus for their arguments other editors could go about their business. I don't like this either, but I think it would be more productive in certain cases. Good lord, this is probably how real wars begin... Semiconscious • talk 07:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Esperanza bouncer?

message: I changed around some text and colors on the Esperanza front page; feel free to revert some or all of it if you don't like it.  Ral315 (talk) 15:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking great, Ral! Keep up the good work! --Celestianpower háblame 16:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nice to be able to read the titles on the Leadership table better - very nice! -- Natalya 18:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Esperanza page. 

message: I posted this on the previous thread about this, but it got archived. No big deal, we can just start it up again here. I was reading through some of the comments about problems with linking the green e to the Esperanza page, so I figured I'd take a stab at it based on ideas from JDoorjam's and Ral315's comments. Let me know what you think about where my green e links to. Thanks in advance for your feedback. :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 18:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's great, and I fair-usedly stole it.  I made two tweaks to it -- I said "I'm a member" instead of "this user is a member", and I created a redirect from the talk page to my regular user talk page.  Good stuff! JDoorjam     Talk 19:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did the same. -    nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 20:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I like this idea, and have adopted it, with a pretty colour version. All are welcome steal that design if you like. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I like that as well. I might just put the green back in my sig. KnowledgeOfSelf 19:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now done that too :) - great idea EWS! --Celestianpower háblame 20:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as I said before, I certainly can't take credit for the idea, just the implementation. I really like Redvers's design, and will be stealing that now. :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stolen, as well. —Nightstallion (?) 21:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And me, although I'm not formally a member yet, I will be soon... ++Lar: t/c 23:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is pretty neat. I might take if for myself. However, it might be good if some people (like User:Celestianpower) who have multiple "e's" have links to both their user:esperanza pages and the official Wikipedia:Esperanza page. Just a thought, though, and poeple can just decide for themselves what they want to do. Jfingers88 05:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I've gotten it and added a new section for contributions into the chart, which required a picture. I tried to get a similar-looking (stylistically) one, but I'm not sure how appropriate it is. Check it out. Jfingers88 05:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This really ought to be a template (with userid and what character was clicked as parameters) not just copied or subst'd... IMHO anyway. Because now I have to go copy the section added as it is neat. Grin. ++Lar: t/c 14:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a template now!  This is my first time creating a template, but I think it worked out.  The template is , with two paramaters, 'char' (the character clicked on), and 'user' (your user name).  Please be sure to change anything I messed up. :) -- Natalya 19:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. Thanks for setting it up. I switched, then hacked in Jfingers88's contributions section. ++Lar: t/c 19:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Should Wikipedia:Esperanza/So you've joined Esperanza... be modified to reflect the new idea? -- Natalya 22:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouild say so. --Celestianpower háblame 13:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that there is a template, I changed the instructions on the page.  I worry that they are too convoluted though.  Is there anyway to insert the username of the user accessing the page (similarly to how  inserts the page name)?  That would make it much simpler, but I couldn't find anything that would let me do that. -- Natalya 21:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to jump on the bandwagon too. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 17:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extension of the "well meaning green e" conversation

message: The following page has just begun to be bulit. I would really like some help on this, especcially from the current members. Wikipedia:Esperanza/Advisory Council Thanks, WikieZach| talk 21:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not too useful, but I changed the header color to match the newly changed color schemes on the main page as changed by Ral315.  Besides the timeline, did you have anything in mind for what the page would hold? -- Natalya 22:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I am currently working on an Esperanza Adv. Council logo, which would be placed on there. I also want to put on there: a page where Esperanzians can ask their advisors questions, pending admendments to the charter, meeting logs, election results, advisor profiles, etc. --WikieZach| talk 22:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  -Page needs work- 

message: i made this Esperanza-esque page a while ago. I think it's kinda cool and thought you may be interested by it. If not, nevermind. --Dangherous 18:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Random Acts of Kindness]] 

message: I ran across a blanking done by User:Semasa on the psychiatry page and left them a terse notice. I again ran across another edit by this user and--as I tend to do when I run across a string of strange edits--I checked their other contributions. I made some changes and left a more descriptive, helpful notice for this user. However I'm unsure of what to do with the Business International page. I put a POV notice on there and left a note on the WikiProject Television page in hopes that someone will clean it up. However I'm writing here to see what steps we should take in helping this user out. Ideas? Se<miconscious • talk 19:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Business International looked almost completely non-encyclopedic, from my perspective. I edited it accordingly. --Fang Aili 20:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work, thank you! Semiconscious • talk 07:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problemo. Thanks for posting about it. :) --Fang Aili 14:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks as though both Semasa and Dhall10067 are engaging in vandalism... Semiconscious • talk 15:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poo. Silly vandals. --Fang Aili 16:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quandary

message: What will we do now with the proposal to add new council seats? WikieZach| talk 23:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should allow the 35 people waiting to join to do so.  Note that I unprotected the membership page, since the election is over. NoSeptember talk 23:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What now? 

message: I want to join i think i only have 1 post though i will build up however i do not know how to see how many post i have done, can someont help me?
:Here is where to find your edit count. I think you have to have 100 edits before joining Esperanza, but you can certainly ask for help from other Esperanzians in the meantime. Happy wikiing! Hermione1980 01:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's 150 (and two weeks) according to the requirements :) -    nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 01:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Since my beautiful elections staff have now informed me that the Election results depicted in the tally table are representative of those who voted and who were eligible to vote, I hereby declare that KnowledgeOfSelf and JoanneB are the new Advisory Council members. I wish them luck (You're going to need it ;)). There will be a meeting shortly. Also, could somebody in the know fix the leadership timetable for me. The syntax is totally bewildering.
Also, please continue to voice opinions in the above thread concerning the possibility of expansion to the Advisory Council.
Again, I thank everyone for making this another civil and generally nice election to partake in. Esperanzially, --Celestianpower háblame 22:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Timeline updated. (Hopefully the dates are right...) Robert 23:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: D'oh. Guess they weren't. Thanks, Tito. Robert 23:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elections certified 

message: I'm curious. Do you think this person is notable: George Harbottle?
:He appears to have simply been a shop owner in NYC in the 1800s. That doesn't sound notable to me. Semiconscious • talk 22:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought. --Fang Aili 16:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  quick question 

message: Does anyone know what happened to Fingers-of-Pyrex? I thought that was an imposter account at first, but then I saw that it had 6850 edits. The user page was deleted by Enochlau per user request. Enochlau said that the page had a db template with "I'm checking out." as the reason.  Does anyone know why he might have left so suddenly? --TantalumTelluride 04:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess no one knows. Oh well. --TantalumTelluride 22:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fingers-of-Pyrex 

message: Copied from other page
How much is the advisory council proposed to increase? Moe ε 00:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what this is for. This page will work out all the details, and then when we are done, present it formally to the current Advisory Council and Celestianpower. At the current time I would say an extra (1) seat for their deiscions to be majority (before it could of been tied) WikieZach| talk 01:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, I would recommend 3 more. I know that might overstep previous discussion but there are now at least 240 active members of Esperanza right now and 3 more could help. Moe ε 01:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, we need an even number of AC members making an odd number when including me. --Celestianpower háblame 15:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think an odd number would work better, so that the AG does not have to vote in most cases. If there is an abstention, an absent member, or a vacancy, then the AG may still be called upon to break a tie. NoSeptember talk 16:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but my problem is that the tranches shouldn't have different numbers of members.  This can't be easily remedied if we have an odd number of members.  As Celestianpower said, there should be an even number of AC members- I see nothing wrong with the AG voting here.  He's an elected member of the body, and therefore deserves a vote, even when it's not a tie.  Ral315 (talk) 17:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In practice, most of our decisions are unanimous anyways, but the number of AC members should be even and split equally among both tranches. Celestianpower has the tie-breaking vote, though. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Council Extension 

message: In the Esperanza News Box, it says that "27 February 2006: The February Esperanza elections have completed! JoanneB and User:KnowledgeOfSelf will serve on the Advisory Council until 31 July 2006."
However in the leadership box, it lists their terms as ending on 30 June 2006. Which one is it, and can you fix it on the page? Jfingers88 16:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adv Council Terms 

message: Is there anything we can do to help Mike McGregor (Can)? See . --Fang Aili 20:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  help? 

message: PLease read my profile and guide me.
Gorkhali 22:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can join Esperanza by adding your name to the list at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members. What specifically do you need help with? It looks as though you're off to a great start. --TantalumTelluride 22:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Your userpage looks fine, aside from a little cosmetic editing (in the "Articles I Wish to Work on" section) that I'll do right now. -    nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 22:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I need help and wish to join esperenza

message: Caroline Thompson has passed away. Out of respect for Caroline, does anyone think the first known Wiki-funeral service should be held? Moe ε 04:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deceased Wikipedian

message: I have several concerns about this page. To begin with, this page is premature, we haven't even discussed what we want to do, concerning the numbers of the AC increase, if there's going to be an increase (we're not sure about that yet). Then, we need to figure out who is going to get those posts, if both are going into different tranches, if they're going to become a new tranche, etc... also, where did the 3/5ths figure come from? It requires 140 Wikipedians to agree on something... and as you can see, that rarely happens! I'd really like it for people to talk before voting. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 05:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tito, only 9 members wre notified, and there was no wait for an answer or official go-ahead.  Its too soon for this. pschemp | talk 06:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved the slightly hidden discussion Wikipedia:Esperanza/Charter/Constitutional Convention started by Wikizach to : Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Charter Amendments so that all the discussion can be in the open and in one place. pschemp | talk 06:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Some members have objected to the expansion idea, they should be heard. There must be many changes to the charter, but if you wish to leave it as it is, welll then go ahead. Sorry for all the confusion. WikieZach| talk 11:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Get them to come here and say so then, making sure they have a valid reason. I have no problem ammending the charter but I'd rather not have a vote. --Celestianpower háblame 13:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot spell his name correctly, but it's somewhere around Fleccoguy. And to reply, many other possible changes have been proposed, with no action. WikieZach| talk 21:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I recall telling Wikizach a few weeks ago is that a vote or poll without prior discussion first is premature. At the time, we were entering the elections; it would have been premature for additional issues to be added without much discussion and with little notice. Regarding the actual issue: I really don't have strong opinions either way. We have to keep in mind, though, that we're not a government, we're not a bureaucracy, we're not here to have "positions"; we're here to help the community. I haven't seen any evidence that the current leadership needs expanding, but then again I've been extremely busy over the past few weeks. :-) So, in conclusion: discussion first, always. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry I got too much ahead then. But I would still like to point out, I think WP's policy about voting is evil, is really stupid, just my opinion though WikieZach| talk 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really worth reading the whole of "Polls are evil" over on Meta. That explains why voting doesn't work in an environment like a Wiki. If a vote is unrepresentative, public, open to influence and above all divisive, then it's not democracy in action. Rather, it's a recipe for splits and ill-feeling. It's always better in an environment like this to gauge the consensus of the people interested enough to take part and come to a decision that reflects what the community as a whole feels is best. Through consensus comes a mandate. Through voting comes the results of a vote. The two are not comparable. 2¢-worth only. Your mileage may differ. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if there is general concensus, then Celestianpower, please make thouse appropriate changes to the Charter! WikieZach| talk 02:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikizach, please try to be a little more patient about this issue.  There is no need to rush it, and its not like Esperanza is falling apart at the moment.  It can wait until such time that it is appropriate. pschemp | talk 03:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It was discussed at WP:ESP/ACM2 at the AC meeting. It's been touched upon from time to time as far as I am aware. And it has seemed to garner a consensus from the people who have discussed it that expanding the council is a good thing. The next step with that would be figuring out how far to expand it and when, and how to assimilate them into the present council. KnowledgeOfSelf 01:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! -- Natalya 02:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Esperanza/Charter Amendments]] 

message: In honor of funny-and-slighty-random-love day (March 6), I created . Let me know if you like it. Additions or complete revisions are welcome. (Maybe it's not useful at all. In that case someone can delete it, no big deal.) --Fang Aili 20:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. I'm going to use it. -    nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 20:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweet! --Fang Aili 20:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: brilliant.  and much easier to spam people with :)  I love it. Oh and don't forget to subst:  pschemp | talk 20:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: grrr, I didn't subst and someone came along and did it for me -    nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 21:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  template 

message: I think our 150 edit minimum hurts efforts to reach out to newbies.  What about implementing a sort of "Junior Esperanza", for those with under 150 edits?  Esperanza members could reach out to them and help them through conflicts, make friends with them, etc.  Ral315 (talk) 17:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm personally opposed to this. The aim of Esperanza is to reach out to the community and Esperanzians should be the ones doing this. Such new Wikipedians clearly aren't au fait enough with the system here to be able to fulfill this role so why should they be Esperanza members? --Celestianpower háblame 18:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps. But we should call it something other than "junior" which gives me images of little kids running around. :) Maybe we could have a prominent link like "New to Wikipedia? We can help!" --Fang Aili 18:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now, I like this idea. No need for a "Junior Esperanza", just a page with top tips and contact info would be sufficient. --Celestianpower háblame 18:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: This sounds like it could go along with the New User Training discussed above (possibly).  Not necessarily an actual organization, but somewhere for new users to become accustomed to the rules (with the afore-mentioned training) and get help from other members.  -- Natalya 18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I like this idea. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help (but I'll be watching) -    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 19:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this idea too. I had a similar but different idea a few weeks ago. NoSeptember talk 19:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Junior Esperanza" 

message: Please check out the situation with Samsara that developed on
Wikipedia_talk:Scientific_peer_review. I can't get my mind around it. It seems that this individual has quit Wikipedia because of a harsh word. Usually when something like that happens there is a long history of frustration leading up to it.  Anyway, Samsara seems innocent and hurt, and perhaps an e-mail from the right person might make a difference.  I've already tried, but my skills are more in the line of karate, head bashing, and things of that sort. Not much use here. P0M 03:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rapid Response may be needed 

message: This is a new family tree wiki, which is currently trying to become a wikimedia project. I would like to raise awarness of it among Wikipedians, but do not want to be seen as spamlinking. Can anyone help me. Any comments from Esperanzians about the porject itself would also be appreciated.--Bjwebb (talk) 13:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://rodovid.org Rodovid.org] 

message: I'm thinking about starting a WikiProject Psephology, to standardize Wikipedia articles on elections, referenda and related topics, and to ensure that we've got sufficient coverage of all national elections and similarily important topics. Would anyone be interested in working with me on that? Ideas on what could be done are also welcome; ideas I've had include
* a standardized format for new articles about elections;
* possibly an infobox, though I'm not sure about that yet;
* trying to ensure a NPOV in political articles, which are naturally prone to POV-pushing;
* and so on.
Any kind of comments are highly welcome! —Nightstallion (?) 16:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is innapropriate for this page. See the rules at the top. --Celestianpower háblame 16:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry, hadn't read that actually. Still would be interested in what people think, just post on my talk page. —Nightstallion (?) 17:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved to the general ESP talk page instead, as I'd specifically like to get input from other Esperanzanian users first; hope that's okay. —Nightstallion (?) 17:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New WikiProject...? 

message: I'm a bit confused. How can I join? Can I just add my name to the list or do I need to apply for membership somewhere? It seems that I need to, isn't it? That's what I understood from the members list talk page. Could you say something here or in my talk? Regards! Afonso Silva 15:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need to apply for membership. If you meet the membership requirements, just add your name there! That discussion was due to the elections, when it's a bit different. Fetofs Hello! 15:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Membership

message: As a new member, just wondering if anything is planned for April Fools Day, any edits to the main page or anything of that sort. I think it would help promote the general well-being of the users who see it if something humorous were to be included. Keep them sane. --Zeerus 20:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been done for the last two years so the joke is getting a bit stale now. Saying that it won't stop someone doing it again this year. --Wisden17 23:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:April_Fool's_Main_Page, I don't think Esperanza is doing anything special though. GfloresTalk 01:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There's a conversation happening on the email listserve about possibly semi-protecting the whole site for April Fool's Day. The theory is that there will be more 'sneaky' vandalism inserted into articles as jokes, which would be harder to remove. Others say that that's not really a concern. No decisions/consensus has been reached either way. --Fang Aili  說嗎? 22:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could see that happening , with people thinking it would be "funny" to play a little April Fool's joke.  I don't know about semi-protection, but perhaps keeping the Counter Vandalism Unit and Recent changes patrol on alerted lookout?  Keeping everyone on the alert, for that matter - even regular Wikipedians who would still revert silly vandalism. -- Natalya 23:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protection is just like a normal protection, but registered accounts with more than 4 days on the encyclopedia are still allowed to edit. Fetofs Hello! 23:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that would take care of a lot of problems.  I can still see less level-minded users playing a practical joke, but hopefully it would be nothing en masse. -- Natalya 02:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  April Fools Day plans 

message: It would be great if you could check out and comment on the proposal for clearer language in the process description for RfAs that I posted there.  Thanks.  --Mmounties (Talk)   02:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats]] 

message: : Transcluded on the the proposals talk page
I've looked at this proposal and as its been here for a while and everyone seems agreed of its worth, I have confirmed it as an accepted proposal - would anyone like to start it up, I wouldn't know where to start? --Celestianpower háblame 16:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar brigade 

message: May I propose a template? It can be placed by any user on their page if they want help fixing up their userpage. I need some help with the formatting (the image is misplaced when viewed in IE), but tell me what you think:

P.S. I'm technically on wikibreak, so I may not respond right away. However, feel free to modify the template. It can be found at User:Ikiroid/PimpMyPage.--The ikiroid (talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話) 18:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. But esperanza is about the users, and the program is already there, so if you have a problem with the userpage improvement, that's a whole seperate issue about the overall program. As for diction and connotation, I'll change the word if it truly offends you.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 22:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that Esperanza is about users, and I think it is very important to have a user page. I just don't think that spending a lot of effort on one is worthwhile, but, as you said, that is an issue seperate from your template. As for the wording, meh, I don't like it but it doesn't really "offend" me, so up to you and future editors... whoever wants to use it. Thanks for the efforts, though, I don't want you to feel that your work is unappreciated. Andrewjuren(talk) 00:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm not a memeber of Esperanza, and I came across this template by accident. I think it's super cool. If Esperanza's not intrested in it, you should just move it to the mainspace for those of us that are! (Actually, I don't need my userpage pimp'd right now. But if I'd seen this template a few months ago...) --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 15:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning "Trading Spaces"

message: The fifth AC meeting has just concluded, so it is time to announce to everyone what the Advisory Council already knows. I'm stepping down from my position due to real life obligations. I want to once again thank everyone who voted for me in the last elections. Cheers KnowledgeOfSelf 18:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You will be sorely missed! (See my comment on your talk page). -- Natalya 19:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation 

message: Hi. I just started editing Wikipedia recently, and almost everyone I've met has been nice. I made a few good articles, and improved lots more. But when I edited one controversial article (Northrop Grumman), I ran into some people that seemed to just want to be hurtful. So I've been feeling a little down about it all. It got me down for a while. But I bumped into this place, and it's giving me a lot of hope. Thanks! Do I sign up? How? Sarah crane 19:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Sarah, we're glad you've found Esperanza.  Esperanza's membership requirements are that someone has made at least 150 edits and has been at Wikipedia for at least two weeks.  In your short time here, you've already surpassed 150 edits, which is fantastic!  And your two weeks will soon be here, when you will be most welcome to join.  All you have to do then is add yourself to the members list.  For now you can put yourself on the list of users who want to join but don't meet the requirements yet.  We look forward to having you join us! -- Natalya 19:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm so glad this place exists. 

message: I quickly wrote up an IRC tutorial. If anyone wants to give it out or include it in the Esperanza welcome template, feel free. —    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 04:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Terrific! Maybe Esperanza could help you put this Tutorial into Wikipedia namespace!--Exir KamalabadiJoin Esperanza! 03:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not likely (it's a good idea though but not what I had in mind), as I wrote it specifically for freenode. —    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 04:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRC Tutorial 

message: Erm, I've started to notice that some of the older projects are getting less active. It seems that a lot of Esperanza projects are only active for the first few weeks, and then people start to get bored and it falls into oblivion. I think Esperanza needs to reactivate most of its projects.--Exir KamalabadiJoin Esperanza! 03:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decline in activeness 

message: Does anyone wish to give advice with the problems described in User:SPUI/Curpsbot? --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 03:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks SPUI but this isn't the appropriate place for your dispute. pschemp | talk 03:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: God, I'm not looking for drama; I'm looking for help. Isn't Esperanza about help and love and keeping contributors from going mad? --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 03:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but we don't take sides in disputes here and it seems like that is what you are asking by posting those details. We just love people. What if you don't like the advice you are offered? That may make your stress go higher. Personally my advice is drop it, its a fact of Wikipedia life now, but if you don't agree with me, what good does my advice do you? We still love you as a person SPUI, but what other help can we give besides reinforcing you are a valued contributor? For that, you didn't need to cite your current dispute with Curpsbot, you just need to say you are stressed. So, we do love you SPUI, and you are valued. Everything else is just details.pschemp | talk 04:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ack, this place is way too abstract for me. Love is nothing without the ability to love? Something pithy. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 04:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Details schmetails... is love supposed to be this hard?? ;-) Ansell 04:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I guess you guys are supposed to be spreading "good feelings" or something

message: Hii...
I wanted to add my birthday to the calendar and i was wondering if i should just add it by editing the calendar or will someone verify my birthday or something before they put it on the calendar..??Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 05:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, no need to verify, just go ahead and add it.  :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 07:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i added it... thanks a lot..!! Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 15:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My birthday...