Talk:The Fronde

message: I advocate that the article be split into two, with the Fronde being discussed here, but the Franco-Spanish War being discussed elsewhere ('elsewhere' being Franco-Spanish War (1653), which is now a redirect to Fronde).  Although obviously connected, the civil conflict cannot be combined with the foreign conflict so carelessly. Bastin 12:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support.  Sounds good to me - they are two pretty distinct topics. Funnyhat 16:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: The opening paragraph doesn't tell who was fighting who or why they were fighting?  It may be buried elsewhere in the article but as the next section jumps straight into detail I didn't follow up.
A good opening should summarise the main issues.
--Gramscis cousin (talk) 12:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was Fighting and Why? 

message: In the section "The Franco-Spanish War (1653–1659)" it is currently stated "The whole country, wearied of anarchy and disgusted with the princes [...]".
I suggest this should be changed as the state of the country neither matches the definition of the article for Anarchy nor Anarchism.
Probably something along the lines of "The whole country, wearied of bad ledership, lack of governmental coordination and disgusted with the princes [...]".
85.225.176.180 (talk) 12:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What "anarchy"? 

message: This article needs an infobox; the lead doesn't even say who won the conflict! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An infobox is not a substitute for text. I shall make it clear in the opening summary that the absolute monarchy "won'.--Wetman (talk) 13:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox needed 

message: It seems to me that the Fronde is a clear case where "the" is needed, like The Holocaust per WP:THE. I guess we could have the English article, but it seems more sensible to stick with the French and add "La" instead. Does anyone have any comments? I've tried a move but it's blocked so a request move discussion will be needed. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No comments? —Brigade Piron (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Support La--Akrasia25 (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  After consulting various sources (ie Dalin's "The Fronde" I now support 'The') Seems like English historians use the English article --Akrasia25 (talk) 15:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's an analogy with The Troubles too. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:THE]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 04:46, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fronde →  – Per my earlier comment, now several years old, above. This seems a pretty clear case of WP:THE ("official or commonly used proper name") as the works already cited in the article attest, eg The Fronde: A French Revolution, 1648-1652 or, more recently 1652: The Cardinal, the Prince, and the Crisis of the Fronde. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Starting an article with "the" is not discouraged where it is appropriate to do so, as WP:THE makes clear. "Fronde" is simply a French noun and "the" serves an obvious function is distinguishing the historical event from its other uses - the comparison is not the War of 1812 but the Holocaust. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The Holocaust is an interesting example. But in that particular case, I can see why the article title would be at "The Holocaust" because in English "a holocaust" has become a generic term for a genocide. In contrast, "a fronde" is not an English term for anything, so the definite article is not needed in this title. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 October 2020 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress