Talk:St Davids

message: I removed the ref to Exeter Station - sorry but felt it was just too tangential to stay.
:I agree. If it's to stay it should be on a separate page. Marnanel 00:14, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed it again. I cannot see why it needs to be here. It just isn't close enough to warrant a mention. 138.37.188.109 16:30, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Should it be "Tyddewi"? Do you need the accent in a compound word? I mean, nobody writes "Caernarfôn". 66.92.237.111 17:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct. See the 'Cymraeg' interwiki link for example. Gareth 15:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tŷddewi 

message: Sadly, my home town of St. David's in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada is not represented on Wikipedia, although it's neighbouring villiages of Queenston and Virgil are described.  How do I create a page for St. Davids, Ontario, Canada, without making  confusion with St.Davids, in the UK?  Might it be appropriate to create a redirect page that arises from the search "St. Davids," at which Wikipedia visitors could choose:
*St.Davids, Pembrokeshire, Wales, United Kingdom
*St.Davids, Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada
Thanks for your help.  Can't wait to contribute to the page for my town. Cheers.
--Marc Yarascavitch 09:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just create a St David's, Ontario page for now and if Wikipedians think that a disambig page is needed then this page can be moved at a later date. Owain (talk) 10:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. David's, Ontario, Canada 

message: I'm somewhat confused by the apostrophe included in the city name "St David's"? Surely the correct title is "St Davids"? Whether grammatically appropriate or not, the term I remember (having lived there for 5 years) was always used without the apostrophe. E.g. see the website www.stdavids.co.uk, or indeed any of the official websites at the bottom of the article page. I will therefore attempt to modify this site accordingly, though as new to wikipedia, not sure how to modify the title.  DoctorMartin 18:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, odd. Ordnance Survey maps clearly have an apostrophe in (), but locals seem to prefer to not have one (eg. , ). Google hits are inconclusive: "st davids" pembrokeshire  gets 211,000 whilst "st david's" pembrokeshire gets only 118,000 ; on the other hand, "st david's" wales gets 424,000  whilst "st davids" wales gets only 346,000 . Can anyone confirm the official name? If it is "St Davids", then pages will need to be moved as wikilinks are breaking all over the place at then moment. DWaterson 19:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see: : St David's, Pembrokeshire, for the city, Cathedral and St David's Head, but the Bishop of St Davids does not take the apostrophe Agathoclea 21:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see also http://www.dca.gov.uk/constitution/city/citygj.htm#part6 for spelling. Agathoclea 20:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously usage is somewhat confused, but the references cited by Agathoclea are not particularly authoritative. However, the City's own council presumably is. Please check: http://www.stdavids.gov.uk/.  The form WITHOUT the apostrophe is correct (in the sense of being both the more common usage and that preferred locally by the people who know). It also is more consistent with other towns in Britain (St Andrews, St Neots). I recommend this article be moved. --Doric Loon (talk) 20:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Apostrophe?

message: I'm told Whithorn in south west Scotland is also a city. But is the population smaller? --MacRusgail 16:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect you have been mislead. The places with City status in Scotland are Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness, and Stirling. Cheers, DWaterson 17:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Whithorn

message: I have changed Tyddewi, Cymru and St Dafydd (sic) to their English forms in this English Wikipedia article.  There's plenty of opportunity to use Welsh in the rather rudimentary cy:Wicipedia article.  I also took out the reference to Little England beyond Wales since, as the latter article shows, St David's is not in it. . . . .LinguisticDemographer 16:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: English names, etc

message: OK, nobody has responded to my comment above. I am now giving notice that if nobody else joins a debate, I will move this article to St Davids. The spelling with the apostrophe is not uncommon, but the spelling without the apostrophe is more common, and is used by the town's own institutions - see the council website cited above. Does anyone have verifiable evidence that would speak against the move? --Doric Loon (talk) 08:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Council's usage is not compelling evidence for a move and the grammatically correct form is better until it becomes very uncommon. Other official usage is not going to change just because the Council uses 'St Davids'.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 08:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But the form WITHOUT the apostrophe is more grammatically correct, because British placenames based on the old possessive of a saint's name do not normally have an apostrophe. See St Andrews, St Neots etc.  We can debate about what is compelling, but the usage of a town council is a pretty authoritative source for the spelling of the town name, and no comparable authority has been cited in the other direction. In town matters you don't get more official than the council. The google test also indicates that frequency is on the side of a move.  --Doric Loon (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If the s is possessive then is should either be removed entirely St David or be there with an apostrophe, it may have fallen out of use due to ignorance, but that doesn't suddenly make it grammatically correct. 82.33.106.245 (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Actually it can. If you look more closely at those, they are quite consistent: St Davids is the town, but when the reference is to the saint you get St David's Cathedral, St David's Day etc. The locals are making a distinction which you will also find, say, in St Andrews. Outsiders are obviously confused because they don't see the rule. --Doric Loon (talk) 13:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, 95% consistent. Agathoclea is right that the newspaper contains odd examples where they break their own rule. --Doric Loon (talk) 13:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Felix Folio Secundus has changed his mind, we seem to have a consensus. I would be happier if more than three people had commented, but they've had plenty of time. I shall proceed with the move now. I can't do it myself, though, coz a redirect needs to be deleted. I'll try to find an admin. --Doric Loon (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: "The area was originally known in the Welsh language as Mynyw and in Latin as Menevia, and was later renamed in honour of David." in the code shows up on the page as "The area was originally known in the Welsh language as Jay Baker CountryLatin next hype!, and was later renamed in honour of David."
I have no idea why this is, or how to fix it. Can someone smarter than me please set it right (and maybe explain to me what's going on there...)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.75.50 (talk) 06:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and attractions  has weird bug 

message: There's a discussion about what to do with the community at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales#Missing communities with regard to the St David's (Pembrokeshire electoral ward) article. Crouch, Swale (talk)  20:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there? The discussion was about the communities in Wales that didn't have their own article yet. If you want to formally discuss the electoral ward, you need to make it clear. Sionk (talk) 10:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community