Talk:Accidents and incidents involving the JAS 39 Gripen

message: User:Akradecki suggested making each item a bullet point, instead of having date headers. Well, I think bullets look kind of awkward when there is more than one paragraph within them. So I'll stay with the date headings for the moment. But thanks for the tip.
LarRan 10:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullets versus date headings 

message: We might ought to use another word in the title besides "List". The page is really more detailed than that, and pages with "list" in the title are AfD magnets. (Esp with our new friend COrvis nursing a grudge!). - BillCJ 01:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, what do you suggest? "Crashes involving the JAS 39 Gripen"? LarRan 12:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Accidents and incidents involving the JAS 39 Gripen"? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 22:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: User:John removed the date headings, as they were (in his opinion) "unhelpful".
My opinion is the opposite: having the dates as level 4 headings separates one crash from another, which as only natural, since one crash isn't necessarily connected to another. Also it gives a structure to each crash: the course of events leading to it, and the explanation (if any).
With no date headings, it all becomes one massive "chunk" of text, which is not - in my view - encyclopedic.
Also, the headings become visible in the contents-box, making it possible to go straight to a specific crash. In other words: it is very helpful.
What do you think? Check the history versions.
LarRan 23:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you make valis points in this case. It does look like one big "blob" to me. However, I'm open to hearing John's solutions to the blob problem. - BillCJ 00:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bullet points? I just thought it looked kind of clunky with the date headers; there is also the problem that U.S. and UK English users have different expectations of how dates are displayed, and so the dates will look "wrong" to half our users. Fairly minor issue though. --John 00:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned under "Bullets versus date headings" I don't think bullet points look very good when you have more than one paragraph within them. So since you don't mind, John, I'm putting the date headers back. I'm buying the rest of your changes. LarRan 13:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say I didn't mind, as I explained there are problems with using date headers. You don't need to have more than one paragraph within them. --John 17:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date headings 

message: SHK has published its report on the incident (in Swedish). I'm currently reading it through in order to produce a summary in English. LarRan 14:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2006 incident 

message: I was thinking: are the birdstrikes really worth mentioning? Maybe we should cut them out, and only keep those that are "major" (I think the other two qualify). LarRan (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birdstrikes 

message: Reference No. 1 points to News footage of the 1989 and 1993 crashes from Sverige television.  This web-link appears to provide footage of current events, but no sign of anything to do with the JAS 39 Gripen.  Ideally, the link can be amended to take the reader to footage about the JAS 39 Gripen. Dolphin51 (talk) 02:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess they must have "archived" it. It was there not long ago. LarRan (talk) 08:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead web-link? 

message: Reading http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/03/19/10-historical-software-bugs-with-extreme-consequences/ suggests that the incident had a software error as a cause, but unfortunately, the web page does not give any details. It would be worthwile checking on that, imho.
80.135.191.12 (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 1993 wrong? 

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