Talk:Meskhetian Turks

message: Meskhetian Turks, who left Ahiska before Stalin exile, like my family, are not counted when calculating the total population. The numbers only include the ones that were exiled.
That way, I believe total Ahiska Turks are close to a million.--hnnvansier (talk) 06:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately I've got no records of my family since they were exiled by the Tzar, before the October Revolution.--hnnvansier (talk) 19:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population issue 

message: While reading the discussion i realize that most of Writers are not Ahiska Turks, which makes points of veiws one sided. 
So decided to open a new talk page. Firstly they are Muslim Turks, and certainly not Muslim Georgians. Secondly they were Exiled because they were Turks, Bordering with Turkey. 
Then they Never call themselves as Meskhetians, they use Ahiska Turks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilhamtr (talk • contribs) 21:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahiska Turks - Ethnic Turks from Georgia's Ahiska - Ahaltsihe region. 

message: Most of the people who wrote here are not Meskhetians. They are either Georgians or Anatolian Turks. So, let me speak as an Ahiskan Turk.
My grandfathers are from Ahiskan, what you call "Meskhetia". I do not know any Georgian, neither my grandfathers did know and as far as I know, none of their grandparents also knew Georgian. For hundreds of years, my family spoke Turkish, were Muslims and defined themselves as "Turks".
Most probably, Ahiskan Turks were nomads from Central Asia. They were settled in Ahiska by Ottomans, after the conquest of Georgia.
But it does not matter, that is not what I want to ask to you. Ok, consider that we (Meskhetian Turks) were originally Georgians. Lets say ok to that. Does that make any difference?
Does that make me a Georgian? I, as a member of a Muslim family, who called themselves as "Turks" for hundred of years; please tell me, am I a Turk or a Georgian now? I do not share the same language with you, I do not have the same tradition with you, different cultures, different languages, different religions. Maybe not by blood, but by the way of living and thinking, I and most of the Ahiskan Turks are more Turks than many of Anatolian Turks.
No matter the fact is, Meskhetians are Turks today. Our Georgian brothers, please stop playing on our history. We do not wish to be called Georgians and TODAY, we do not have, not even a single drop of, Georgian side within us.--hnnvansier (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No matter what was their past, Meskhetians are Turks TODAY 

message: I cannot understand why some users try to put Armenian alternative name.  Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary is clear. Takabeg (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not what Not A Dictionary means. WP:NOTDICDEF means that entries are not supposed to provide definitions of words. It does not mean that we shouldn't include information on different usages of the concept in different languages. You have no valid argument for removing Armenian.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot explain the "importance" of Armenian alternative name. As long as I understand with Meskhetian Turks#Demographics, Armenian name is as less-important as  Belarusian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, alternative names. Takabeg (talk) 12:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I am not surprised that you don't think like me. I would be more surprised if one of you two ever argued that adding an armenian name was warranted.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 13:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Frankly speaking, I was surprised that you tried to put less-important alternative name stubbornly. Takabeg (talk) 13:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

text: To be frankly, I cannot undestand why we should include the Armenian name here. There are no Meskhetian Turks living in Armenia now. To me, it's fully nonsense to add every single language where the Meskhetian Turks have ever lived. Maunus, please provide valid argument yourself... Thanks! –BruTe Talk 14:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The names were already there. Takabeg followed his usual routine of removing any presence of the Armenian language from Turkey related articles. I merely reverted his removal because his argument was invalid. If you three are able to form a consensus here that the Armenian name shouldn't be included then there is nothing I could or would do about that, except wonder why it means so much for you guys to remove all signs of the ways in which the history of Turkey and Armenia are connected...·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

text: @Maunus: "usual routine of removing any presence of the Armenian language from Turkey related articles" ?  Please stop personal attack, and explain why you think Armenian alternative language is important for Meskhetian Turks . Takabeg (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I explained above (Meskhetian Turks#Demographics). We must not consider everything as Anti-Armenianism. Unfortunately I don't know Kazakh, Uzbek, Kyrgyz alternative names. I don't want to "copy and paste" from interwikis. Takabeg (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you really kidding me or what? You're a Turk and I can't trust anything that is associated with you guys. I'm sorry, but I wanna be honest. So you didn't answer to this - Takabeg, can you explain me why you need Azeri for? --Yerevanci (talk) 23:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  What ? Who is Turk ? Your ethnocentric bias is very deep. Did you see Meskhetian Turks#Demographics ? It's obvious that a very small number of Meskhetian Turks had lived in Armenia. On the other hand, considerable number of Meshetian Turks live in Azerbaijan today. Takabeg (talk) 03:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I'm saying if it's because many Meskhetian Turks live in Azerbaijan, why don't you add Kazakh or Uzbek?? You said because you don't wanna copy from interwiki, so i'm helping you. 
OK. I'll talk with facts. In Google there are only 1,570 results of the Azeri name (Axısqa türkləri) and 8,020 results of the Armenian one (թուրք մեսխեթցիներ). Isn’t this an evidence of Armenian name being even more common than Azeri. --Yerevanci (talk) 02:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Yerevanci, Who are you? What is I'm not new to Wiki and What is this: 27 August 2011: Your first edits. See Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. Realy, Who are you? I am Meskhetian Turk and What is this ???.  --Kmoksy (talk) 02:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I’m Armenian. Second, if I logged in with this username it doesn’t mean that I haven’t been here before that. --Yerevanci (talk) 18:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yerevanci many Meskhetian Turks actually speak Azerbaijani language and the languages are closely related, thats why Azerbaijani language must be included. None of them speak Armenian language. So stop your anti-Azerbaijani campaign, as can be seen from your contributions . Neftchi (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian alternative name

message: As long as I know, the Azerbaijani government uses Türklər instead of Ahısqa türkləri. I think we'd better explain this situation. Takabeg (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Azerbaijani alternative name

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