Talk:Orban

message: *1. IMPORTANT! : Contemporary sources mention only that he was Orban of/from Hungary
*2. Orban is a very frequent family name in Hungary.
*3. Vallachia and Moldavia were mostly a late nomadic shepherd society
*4. Metallurgy didn't exist in medieval Wallachia or Moldova, therefore they had to import all metal tools equipments from other countries.
*5. He lived in city of Brasso, Romanians weren't allowed to enter royal cities of medieval Hungarian Kingdom.--Bornder (talk) 10:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The simple conclusion is that Orban was not a commoner either 79.117.217.39 (talk) 12:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

text: First you say that Romanians were not allowed, afterwards you say Romanian commoners were not allowed, what will be next? decide yourself already! Between your original research and those sources, I prefer them 79.117.217.39 (talk) 12:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are around 1000 books that call Orbán Hungarian  versus the 3 that call him Wallachian , hence it is out of question that his Hungarian origin should be mentioned. Koertefa (talk) 10:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

text: I have updated the text today. Proper information (author, title, publisher, year, etc.) for the references about his possible Dacian ancestry are still needed, otherwise, these claims will be deleted. See WP:CITE about citation styles. Google search results are clearly not good enough references and even just using google snippets as sources is not satisfactory as they could be out of context. Koertefa (talk) 07:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

text: There are much more books that call Orban German  than Wallachian, so it should be mentioned as the second possibility. Moreover, the sources that talk about his potential German ancestry also claim his Hungarian one , which justifies mentioning these two in one sentence. There is also no reason to put the claim about Laonikos Chalkokondyles in a separate paragraph. Koertefa (talk) 23:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Orban was Hungarian guild master

message: Dacians didn't exist in medieval time, but the medieval territories were often called by their ancient roman names, like "pannonians" (for medieval Hungarians) and Dacia from the eastern part Tisza river + Transilvania. In this term Dacian refer to the ancient territory of the dacia province....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.101.235.109 (talk) 13:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dacian means toponym instead of ethnicity in medieval chronicles

message: in Latin. Böri (talk) 13:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urbanus 

message: The medieval Dacian term doesn't refer to Orbán's vallachian (Romanian)origin. BEcause the Dacian origin theory of Vlachs (Romanians) was not developed yet.
"Dacian" was a simple ancient roman toponym of the territory, which included Transylvania too. Like Hungarian kings often used "King of Pannonia" title, which is an ancient Roman toponym-based title. Forexample, some Prince of Transylvania (prince Báthory, and prince George Rákóczi) held the title "Prince of Dacia"). According to this medieval term all people until the line of Tisza river of present-day Hungary were called as "Dacian" too.
But remember the ancient latin "Bohemia" toponym of Czech territory, it is based ony the ancient celtic territory in roman times, which is created long before the slavic migration. It doesn't men that czechs are celtic, doe to the celtic migration to westwards.
:"Modern Romanian theories ..." - Samuel Sullivan Cox is not Romanian
:By the way, Michael the Brave was also called Dacus by Habsburgs: .Can you point to a clear ethnic Hungarian called Dacus in medieval documents? 79.117.185.122 (talk) 08:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Dracula was depicted in Bram Stoker's book as a Szekely, not as a Hungarian (they are presented as distinct nations). In the population of Transylvania there are four distinct nationalities: Saxons in the South, and mixed with them the Wallachs, who are the descendants of the Dacians; Magyars in the West, and Szekelys in the East and North. 79.117.167.247 (talk) 09:26, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Székelys are different people who were Magyarized during centuries. In Unio Trium Nationum Szekelys were a distinct nation 79.117.167.247 (talk) 09:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

text: A people can adopt a culture and a language spontaneously. See Romanization (cultural) 79.117.167.247 (talk) 09:49, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term of medieval "Dacia" 

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