Talk:Québécois (word)/Archive 1

message: I changed "French-Canadian cultural groupings" to "French-speaking cultural groups" because considering all we have done to them I don't know that Canadians really accept the Métis as Canadian. I may be wrong, though, so feel free to change it back. However, I do think "group" is a better word than "grouping," which seems to me to imply an arbitrary aggregation. Métis culture goes back to the seventeenth century, so they seem to me better described as a group. Trontonian
===Meti are spin from Quebueqois that left Quebec===
Sorry man but Meti are a culture is from the west and Québécois are Native-French that never left... Quebec is a native word and not french... Its a word that the french hijack over time... The British did not set out, however, to persecute Quebec's native French population. The Quebec Act, passed in 1774, allowed the Quebecois to have religious freedom.
Also at the time was slavery of native population... so to state that your native descendent are would bring about bad things like capture or get shot… That’s why many left and changed to Métis… I know because I am from Métis-Quebecois… And we had to keep are mouths shut and go to church or no job or money went to you… we the French people who the Algonquin adopted…created the nation of people called Quebecois…
Now why should bad people take my history away... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZorroIsGod (talk • contribs) 22:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Métis as French-Canadians and as a grouping

message: Sorry man but Meti are a culture is from the west and Québécois are Native-French that never left... Quebec is a native word and not french... Its a word that the french hijack over time... The British did not set out, however, to persecute Quebec's native French population. The Quebec Act, passed in 1774, allowed the Quebecois to have religious freedom.
Also at the time was slavery of native population... so to state that your native descendent are would bring about bad things like capture or get shot… That’s why many left and changed to Métis… I know because I am from Métis-Quebecois… And we had to keep are mouths shut and go to church or no job or money went to you… we the French people who the Algonquin adopted…created the nation of people called Quebecois…
Now why should bad people take my history away... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZorroIsGod (talk • contribs) 22:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meti are spin from Quebueqois that left Quebec

message: Don't forget that is like 270 years of new Native-French kids being born...to 1774 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZorroIsGod (talk • contribs) 23:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How big is the Quebecois Nation

message: As I wrote above, Quebecois should be a disambiguation page pointing to Quebecers (which could simply redirect to Quebec). The page could clarify that, in Canadian English, Quebecois is generally used to refer to Francophone Quebecers or Quebec francophone culture. There are a lot of relevent details in the article that could be moved to Culture of Quebec or others. By the way, there is a Constitutional debate of Canada article now which needs to be restructured. The contentious subject of the national identity of Canadians and Quebecers would be more appropriate there I believe. Mathieugp 18:11, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restating 

message: The article is not clear on when it's discussing English vocabulary or French.  It should mention:
# Quebecker is not interchangeable with Quebecois; Quebecker almost always means a person, it not used as an adjective
# Quebecois is not spelled with accents when it's used as an English word.  When it is used as a French word it's québécois in italics.
* Plus it doesn't make sense to call this an English word and then go on say "English equivalent is..." Peter Grey 19:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Canadian Oxford Dictionary does not agree: it lists Québécois, Quebecois, and Québecois, in that order, as the most common spellings as an English word. Indefatigable 19:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations on the word 

message: I clicked on this article out of sheer curiosity, and found I had landed into one of these raging controversies typical of Wikipedia. If I can give my two cents worth... it seems to me the article as it stands now is in need of more clarity and disambiguation. I think, you tell me what you think, that the words "québécois", "québecois", "quebecois", "quebecer", and "quebecker" should all direct to one single article that would fully explain the differences and similarities between these five words. The article would have to clearly list the definitions of these five words in international French, Canadian French, international English, and Canadian English. I am going to write here below the clear definitions of the words that exist in international French (with examples showing how the words are used). Please do the same for Canadian French, international English, and Canadian English. Then when we have all our definitions, we can put them into a clear and unique article. What do you think? Hardouin 20:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposals to improve the article

message: Well, here in Alberta, I've heard Quebecois used interchangeably with Quebecer--certainly there are many people who would tell you that Quebecois means someone from Quebec (and, if you questioned them, they might agree that Quebecois implies the ability to speak French), but many would be surprised to hear the term Quebecois tied to ethnicity. But, if you're from Quebec, and you speak some amount of French (even not as your primary language), you could be Quebecois.
Here are a few English documents/pages that uses the phrase "English-speaking Quebecois", from the CBC to a site promoting an independent Quebec.
*http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/docs/languages/2005-2006/pdf/QC2005_e.pdf
*http://gocanada.about.com/cs/mediaqueacute/
*http://www.ffwdweekly.com/Issues/1999/0107/the4.html
*http://www.republiquelibre.org/cousture/QUEBEC2.HTM
FireWorks 22:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebecois! 

message: The term Quebecois in English generally refers to Quebeckers who self-identify as francophone, mostly in the cultural sense of that word.
That is the way it is used.
Quebecois and Quebecker are not synonymous in English.
: The article already made that clear; your changes were unnecessary. Bearcat 20:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor changes