Talk:Amateur voice acting/Archived discussion

message: I'm wondering about some of the links posted. They seem to be just sitewhoring for people's personal sites, and not actual active forums. Specifically the sites mentioned in the "Expansion" section of the article. Agree or disagree?
-> I agree, however, certain people seem to cry a river when you remove their site. Negavision is already an article in Wikipedia, so it could be worth keeping especially since they are one of the more prominent fandubbing groups around, and have been around for several years.
-> Removing "Breathing New Life" -- Wikipedia is based on fact, not fiction or petty grudges.
-> The removal of the Voice Acting Club link got me sorta peeved, to be honest. It's very well established as the primary alternative to the Voice Acting Alliance, and is already mentioned in the main article itself. Would it be too much of a stretch for it to be re-added? --D-Mac Double 14:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi D-Mac.  I posted suggestions for the external link clean up at the bottom of this page before removing them.  With the Voice Acting Club, I was trying to trim the links down so we weren't a directory to forum sites (which are not considered appropriate external links).  In deference to what I perceived as a desire by many people involved with the article to include some way into the amateur voice acting community, which does seem to take place almost entirely online, I recommended keeping what seemed to be the most active of the communities - the alliance one.  Is there is a good reason to use the voice acting club instead, or does it provides something that is essentially different from the alliance link?  If not I don't think it's an appropriate addition, I'm a not entirely convinced that the Alliance link is appropriate, being essentially a forum.  -- Siobhan Hansa 15:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, Siobhan. I'm not sure whether you are actively involved in the community or not, however from what you've been mentioning I'm going to assume that you are not... It's not a matter of "instead" of anything... the Voice Acting Alliance is _the_ community for AVA _as it stands right now_ with at least 3,000+ members more than any other AVA community out there. Furthermore, the VAA has served as a main source of information for even the VAC. The VAC is an alternative to the VAA as it caters to a completely different audience (primarily newgrounds, flash artists, etc since it spawned from a thread on the newgrounds forum). If you see the VAA as "just a forum", then perhaps you did not actually take a look at it close enough -- if you did, you'd notice it's served as a main source of information, auditions, VAs, reviews, help, and so on for the AVA community as a whole -- not to mention, some of our staff are at conventions conducting panels on amatuer voice acting with material written for the site -- we have had professional voice overs lend a hand with reviewing demos, projects, and even writing articles and conducting interviews on our site. Given all that, I'd say that indeed, it should still remained linked. Should the VAC be linked? Certainly -- many producers posting auditions are a completely different audience (even if there is some overlapping). I'd recommend digging a little deeper than a first glance before you judge something as appropriate or not...
-> The "World of Voice Acting" site is a sad attempt at a joke and should be removed whenever it is added. Corey Maddox has a fairly notorious reputation within the amateur voice acting community for being a troll with delusions of grandeur.
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Started editing with a more precise picture of the AVA community and it's origins o_o
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I think it's worth keeping this as a seperate article, fandubs generally refers to only Anime related works, I'd call it a subclass of amateur voice acting...
-> correct, this is definately not to be merged.  this is assumed by all who deal with anime to be talking only of anime fandubs.  in fact, a google search of fandub won't find you any other kind of fandub.  it is very different from amateur voice acting.
-> Fandub is too distinct from Amateur Voice Acting to be merged.  --CalPaterson 15:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

message: I'm quite sure amateur voice acting began a bit earlier than 1996 - contrary to what this article may say I'm fairly sure it didn't start on the Internet, either. Arguably Trey Parker and Matt Stone's voice work for the pre-South Park shorts they made (Jesus Vs Frosty and Jesus Vs Santa) could be described as "Amateur voice acting" and it certainly pre-dates the 1996 year given in this article.
Methinks this article needs a complete rewrite.
Hullubulloo 13:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Er, no 

message: there seems to be a significant amount of promotion of individual amateur voice acting projects in the article in general and the external links section.  There's also quite a lot of general fandom in the links rather than actual resources for someone looking for encyclopedic information.  I suggested culling the links like this: 
===Resource Websites===   
These aren't resource sights, they're forums and fail our external links guidelines.  But given the lack of good resource links, and the fact that this seems to be the way practitioners participate, a link to the most active site might be appropriate.  I suggest, on the basis of number of posts:
*Voice Acting Alliance   Keep
*FLAVA  Delete
*Voice Acting Club  Delete   
*Newgrounds Voice Acting Club thread Delete 
===Audio Drama Groups===   
These are links to individual projects.  Since Wikipedia is not a directory, and there is no clear encyclopedic value in linking to the projects I think all these links should go.  The exception is the podcast.  This isn't really any different from a blog (which generally our external links guidelines regard as generally inappropriate.  I'd delete but could see an argument for keeping it if it's particularly well known.
*Circus-13 Productions Delete
*Darker Projects Delete
*The Doctor Who Audio Dramas Delete
*Dramapod.com Delete
*Dreamseed  Delete
*Pendant Productions  Delete
*PodActs! Delete ?
*Star Wars Fan Works Delete
===Fandub Groups===   
As with the Audio Drama Groups these are individual groups working on voice acting.  As a general rule these links should also be deleted.  The Negavision productions link isn't even to a proper page!
*Negavision Productions Delete
*TFCog Productions Delete
If anyone disagrees with this suggested edit please post your comments here.  If there's no opposition i'll go ahead with the deletions in a couple of days.  -- Siobhan Hansa 21:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: As with the Audio Drama Groups these are individual groups working on voice acting.  As a general rule these links should also be deleted.  The Negavision productions link isn't even to a proper page!
*Negavision Productions Delete
*TFCog Productions Delete
If anyone disagrees with this suggested edit please post your comments here.  If there's no opposition i'll go ahead with the deletions in a couple of days.  -- Siobhan Hansa 21:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fandub Groups

message: This article reads like a love song to fandubs and AVA.  There's also absolutely no sources to anything.  For example, the article claims the Sailor Moon S fandub was well received. By *who*?  Because I remember it being very *poorly* received.  In fact, the vast majority of fandubs tend to get torn a new one.  Where's the NPOV?  Where's the criticism? Rebochan 13:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality