Talk:O'Neill dynasty

message: There's a link to this at the bottom of the page. It redirects to a battle in belize between mexico and the natives. I don't see how it applies and I'm not sure what it's supposed to refer to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.137.46 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of St. George's Caye

message: I am seeking some expertise. I had this entry on the dab page Ona:
* Ona the ArchDruid, great grandson of Brion, half-brother of Niall Noigíallach, High King of Ireland about 400AD, see O'Neill (surname)
So it seems to claim a historical/mythological figure and imply a connection with the surname "O'Neill", but none of the articles it mentions is reciprocating, and Wikipedia seems the only place on Google to mention it. I have no idea if this comes from Original Research or actual but obscure stuff. It's only mentionned in the same vein at Ó Maoilmhichil and Pro Aris et Focis.
For now I'm shrinking it to a link to an article that does mention him (though it could be bogus and from the same source):
* Ona the ArchDruid, Irish figure, great grandson of Brion, brother of Maoilmhichil
Sourced edits or opinions welcome to improve this entry (and the related pages), thanks. — Komusou talk @ 15:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ona the ArchDruid and O'Neill?

message: *P.G. O'Neill, the author of Essential Kanji Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: need one

message: The article describes the arms as involving a device "supporting or holding a right hand palmed in pale red supporting or holding a right hand palmed in pale red" while the arms as depicted show a left hand.  I believe that there is an order of chivalry within the British system that uses a left rather than a right hand for the red hand of Ulster, and this may be a source of the error.
The earliest arms shows a left hand, the right hand is simply more common in heraldry, so it is not irrational that this error has occurred over the years.  The red left hand is used as a symbol of baronetcy in Ireland because of the High King's use of the red left hand.  See baronet.  ‡ XANDERLIPTAK 12:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red hand incorrectly depicted 

message: The sources section seriously needs overhauled to make it acceptable. Inline citations i think should be used for most claims in the article to ensure they are even from a reliable verifiable source. Also each source should have more details added into it especially its ISBN or website that links to it - otherwise the whole thing is dubious in its present format.
Infact most of this article needs rewritten. Other parts that leave out important details is the Clandeboye section which fails to state and elaborate the close relationship the Clandeboye O'Neills had with the Normans. It also leaves out the long history of treachery exhibited by the O'Neills throughout history. Both sides of the story must be told! Northern Star (talk) 21:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is, among the sources at the bottom and at Count of Tyrone. The dynasty is by far Ireland's largest and most immensely complicated. It is so big it is virtually a kingdom in itself. DinDraithou (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: No mention of the y-dna Haplotypes and Haplogroups  of the O'Neill's. There is a particular haplotype for a mayority of the O'Neill which is R1b1b2a1b , then there is another mayor group that is of the Haplogroup I2b1a and the final groups are R1b1b2a1b5b and R1b1b2a1b5. Only O'Neill's descendants from O'Neill's who served the Spanish crown in the 1600's who have been tested  are the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico with their progenitor being Don Juan O'Neill circa 1700's his y-dna is from the Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a4 of a Germanic origin with a uncommon haplotype with the value of YCA II b 21 which seems to be found among a family in Hungaria from Swabia ancient homeland of the Seuvi, and a few others in Romania etc. Y-dna of the O'Neill's should be dicussed.
Redhandking (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y-DNA 

message: Centralised discussion at Talk:Irish people#Coat of arms. O Fenian (talk) 10:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of arms

message: The Carribean is full of islands the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico are from the island of Mallorca , Belaric Islands via the Spanish Netherlands. (With a distinct y-dna haplotype not found among anyother families in the world experts say it's due to the progenitor of this bloood line having only a few males or other families have not been tested yet.) The O'Neill's of the Fews settled in St.Croix via Spain and later in Puerto Rico the 1st were Don Enrique O'Neill O'Kelly  and Don Tulio O'Neill O'Kelly in 1784.  
There are records and information only found by family like diaries and letters etc. that are not published and will likely be not. The O'Neill's who lived in these islands were very elusive and many things that are recorded by outsiders are not corret.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redhandking (talk • contribs) 19:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about that. While this is notable information it is outside the realm of the major dynasts, and it is outside of Europe. DinDraithou (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

text: To go extensively into the history of the O'Neills in the Caribbean is simply not the purpose of this article. And while I am sympathetic, I don't believe you have the proper arrangement of your material for writing one at Wikipedia. I'm sure your information is valuable so you should share it with O'Neill historians, who can then produce a nice readable story. So in other words, not yet. Without a coherent account we will have to wait. DinDraithou (talk) 21:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caribbean O'Neill? 

message: No mention of the sons living in Palma de Mallorca, no mentioned of the other sons of Hugh O'Neill he is recorded to have had another illegitimate son named Conn but this could be a a grandson or a relative Don Hugo O'Neill took under his care. In Mallorca where Don Juan / John O'Neill son of Hugh O'Neill there are intersting statements that Don Juan O'Neill had a brother named Terencio ( Turlagh) who died without issue. But it's not known that this was his true bother.  Redhandking (talk) 20:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counts of Tyrone 

message: Here's a query for you all: Should this article not make reference to Baron O'Neill - but in the sense of mentioning that this line is NOT part of the O'Neill dynasty, and not of original O'Neill patrilineal descent at all?  I notice from Debrett's that the Baron's arms has (the temerity to include?) two quarterings of the arms of the O'Neills of Clanaboy and the Fews (and the motto: Lamh Dearg Eirin (the Red Hand of Ireland).  Baron O’Neill of Shane’s Castle, County Antrim descends (as his wiki-article says, which I have just further ref'd) – in the male line – not from an Irish O’Neill, but from Rev. William Chichester. This William Chichester succeeded his cousin Earl O’Neill (Debrett's says "Earl", but the wiki article says Viscount??) in 1855, but as the latter’s title went extinct on his death, Chichester changed his name to O’Neill by royal license in 1855 so that he could inherit land belonging to an O’Neill cousin, and in 1868 was made Baron O’Neill, of Shane’s Castle. By the way, this O'Neill dynasty article is full of unsourced statements, and could benefit from many more inline citations. Tricky (talk) 12:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It absolutely needs a huge amount of work. Concerning the Barons O'Neill, they once featured prominently in the Wiki article as almost legitimate members of the Clanaboy dynasty. I had problems with that and removed all of it. They seem like nice enough people from what I have read and I actually feel sorry for the modern family. An ancestor did this bizarre thing and now they have to suffer. But they appear to be making the best of it and participate extensively with the legitimate family, even hosting events. DinDraithou (talk) 04:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Baron O'Neill (of Shane's Castle)

message: The inheritance laws of Spain and Ireland differ from each other. The current Spanish claimant to the Irish title treats it as one of his Spanish titles. His acceptance by O'Neills resident in Ireland is because other claimants have not stepped forward. Another member of the O'Neill of Fews family could potentially put forward as good a claim.  RichardBond (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Spanish claim to the Irish title is clouded 

message: I am Benjamin Thomas O'Neill. I am a descendant of the O'Neill dynasty. My g-g-g grandfather moved from Clonaslee to Durham England in 1871/2 with his children (his daughter Bridget was my ancestor. Well done for the tremendous article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.167.29 (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benjamin Thomas O'Neill 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: I am removing him from the article since a reliable citation is needed clearly showing his descent from any dynasty. We can assume that not everyone with this surname descends from a dynasty. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Christopher O'Neill]]

message: I wholeheartedly agree with this edit summary. Why not let's remove everything that is unsourced? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: at last. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "Could all be complete twaddle"