Talk:Tyndale Bible

message: The King in 1531 issued an edict declaring: "the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people, and not be suffered to go abroad among his subjects."
This was confirmed in 1543. "in the spring of 1543 Parliament passed an act "for the advancement of true religion and for the abolishment of the contrary", which banned "the crafty, false and untrue translation of Tyndale"". --Domics (talk) 10:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anybody know when this ban was lifted and it was allowed to publish and possess the Tyndale Bible?--Domics (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  where is Henry VIII's reaction? 

message: The following sentence in the penultimate paragraph gives a misleading impression:
“Tyndale used thou and never you as the singular second-person pronoun in his work (usage that was later reflected in the very influential King James Version), which had the double effect of rescuing thou from complete obscurity and also imbuing it with an air of religious solemnity that is antithetical to its former sense of familiarity or disrespect.”
It suggests that Tyndale was particularly influential in this usage when it's doubtful that he was. The Wycliffe Bible a hundred years earlier and the Authorized Version (King James) 80 years later used the same distinctions as Tyndale between Thou and Ye, Thee and You. Like these earlier and later translations, Tyndale was simply using the forms that were standard for that period.
Secondly, the words “rescuing Thou from complete obscurity” suggest that Thou was falling into disuse in the 1520s. This seems unlikely and is not supported by the source cited, which says Thou was no longer used in standard English (as opposed to dialect) by the 1700s, (ie nearly 200 years later.)
Compare Otto Jespersen's Progress in Language, published 1894, which says in a long and influential study of English personal pronouns: “The use of the singular and the plural pronouns from Chaucer's times till Shakespeare's, and even till about the middle of the (18th) century… corresponded pretty nearly to that of the French tu and vous; but it was looser, as very frequently one person addressed the same other person now with thou and now with ye, according as the mood or the tone of the conversation changed ever so little.” See the full reference here: https://archive.org/stream/cu31924026448203#page/n279/mode/2up
I'd suggest deleting this sentence as it seems misleading and is peripheral to Tyndale's work and life.
By contrast, Tyndale's use of “Ye” instead of the “You” that had already begun to replace it in the 14th and 15th centuries as the nominative plural might be of more interest. For example, he writes “Blessed are ye [nominative] when men revile you [accusative], and persecute you...”
Perhaps there might be a case for saying he helped to save this form from obscurity. But this is probably not the article to discuss it.Adrian Robson (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rescued Thou from obscurity? 

message: "...It has been suggested that around 90% of the King James Version (or at least of the parts translated by Tyndale) is from Tyndale’s works..."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.204.117 (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage still unknown? 

message: Last paragraph. Why is it so hard to post citations. Just add them, if you have none, then you cant add to Wikipedia. Please remove it or add the citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.18.66 (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenges to Catholic doctrine  

message: Opine of so called experts 71.221.78.219 (talk) 14:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paraphrased version? 

message: This article goes on at length about Tyndale's supposedly controversial translation of the original Greek word Eκκλησία into English as congregation instead of church. Please review the actual meaning of the word:
https://www.wordsense.eu/%E1%BC%90%CE%BA%CE%BA%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1/
Regarding: Eκκλησία
It would benefit the readers of this article, and so posterity, to avoid needless multi-century perpetuation of false accusations of intentional mistranslation by Tyndale. Thomas More and other church seniors were wrong about this when they killed him.
They're still wrong. Wikipedia shouldn't be wrong, all these years later. Words have meaning. 
Words have meaning.
Is this article the subject of sectarian "tug of war" that needs editotial oversight? That is complex and subjective. Or is it just unnecessarily wordy and repetitive about topic of translating this one word? Which is straightforward and objective. 
This is not just an English thing as the same Greek etymology of course begat many other words over time across Europe and now around the world. Some (in Catholic countries notably) literally mean church as in a building; never The Church as in the Holy See etc, as More claimed (ie claimed Jesus and the Apostles said). But all the various etymologies descend from the same Greek word meaning assembly, congregation, merging, coming-together of the people ie of or pertaining to the act of congregating. Not a mere building, nevermind its notional monopoly or hierarchical primacy on Earth as God's appointed franchisee. In this sense it is a irrelevant Tyndale and his cohort were reformers. While true that doesn't matter and the article could be shorter and clearer, if it just stared the fact: the word in original Greek clearly vindicates Tyndale's translation. (Which also indicts the vastly-learned More as a hypocrite, because he falsely accused Tyndale of intentional distortion in translation, while in fact that's what he was doing.)
Consider, from same source linked above:
Entries where "ἐκκλησία" occurs:
church: …worship since circa 300 AD, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ἐκκλησία‎ ("congregation") or βασιλική‎ ("royal thing"). An example…
chiesa: see also Chiesa‎ chiesa (Italian) Origin & history From Latin ecclesia‎, from Ancient Greek ἐκκλησία (“assembly”). Pronunciation IPA: /ˈkjɛza/ Noun chiesa…
église: …from Vulgar Latin *eclesia‎, from Ecclesiastical Latin ecclēsia‎, from Ancient Greek ἐκκλησία‎ ("gathering").
Thank you for your work on this article and others. As I am not an article editor I post this comment here on Talk for the responsible parties to discuss amongst themselves. Thank you for your time. 
Ps. Apologies for any formatting errors. The text editor is being weird. 
Entries where "Eκκλησία" occurs:
church: …worship since circa 300 AD, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than Eκκλησία‎ ("congregation") or βασιλική‎ ("royal thing"). An example…
chiesa: see also Chiesa‎ chiesa (Italian) Origin & history From Latin ecclesia‎, from Ancient Greek Eκκλησία (“assembly”). Pronunciation IPA: /ˈkjɛza/ Noun chiesa…
église: …from Vulgar Latin *eclesia‎, from Ecclesiastical Latin ecclēsia‎, from Ancient Greek Eκκλησία‎ ("gathering")."
I'm not an editor so posting here to Talk for responsible parties to discuss. Thanks for your work on this article, and time reading this comment. 2600:4040:5AEB:B300:30A2:F9B5:1F03:3D65 (talk) 01:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a book or other reliable source, please name or link it here. Thank you. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church vs Congregation  

message: "Wycliffe now being voluntarily outside the protection of the Church, the Hapsburg civil authorities then took him and sentenced him to be strangled to death and the body burned. Wycliffe was not condemned because of translating or publishing Scriptures"
I thought this section was about Tyndale? mavhc (talk) 09:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused by reference to Wycliffe