Talk:Grandma Moses

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 06:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Grandma Moses was born in Greenwich New York.
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For now, I've removed the contradictory statement in the last sentence, that she outlived some of her ten children, because it says earlier in the article that she had five children. Brownbeanburrito 02:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The article states "She is often cited as an example of an individual successfully beginning a career in the arts at an advanced age."  --  Does the article state what age she was, specifically, when she began painting?  I don't see it (but it's early, no coffee yet, etc.) 50.54.224.72 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 13:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I caught that, too, and made the appropriate edit. Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  When? 

message: Moses was a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. If someone wants to work that in somewhere, here is a cite for it: . The category Moses, Grandma should also be added, once it is supported in the article. Crockspot 01:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I had added that, with another source - thanks for the reminder about the category! Done now.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DAR membership 

message: only five of her children survived infancy and that is how she out lived 10 children
:She outlived her five surviving children because only her daughter-in-law, grandchildren and great granchildren survived her, per New York Times obituary.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  children 

message: Found the article's general composition a little confusing (and her first 70 years completely ignored). Did a check to fix disambiguation about whether Greenwich upper NY or Greenwich Village NYNY, and in the process decided to insert a description of her early life from the Traditional Fine Arts Organisation Inc article (which says "the page" was published in Resource Library magazine). I think it puts her discovery so late in life into better perspective. The section also enables the removal (which I've done) of the "10 children, five of whom died" bit from the article's initial intro. The initial intro is still far too long, and could do with moving further sentences down into other parts of the page. I'll leave that for an art expert or a biography expert. Pete Hobbs (talk) 14:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, great points! I think I addressed both issues, but any further input would be appreciaated!--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Wow! What a difference between 20:26, 21 August 2014‎ and 01:44, 31 August 2014‎. A first-class article transformation, from poorly-constructed "ugly duckling" to fully fledged "Cygnus cygnus". Now extremely well laid out, both informationally and visually. All credit to you, for the major work you've carried out through the last 10 days. It's good to know posted suggestions/requests (such as mine for example, albeit three years ago [!] now) are never a waste of time. I'm pleased you picked up and ran with it - such a good finish, you deserve a medal! First class, thanks to you, really nicely done. Pete Hobbs (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, your comment was a nice surprise. I was floored by the state of the article for such a legendary woman and was thrilled to make it better. She deserves it!--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life 

message: Hello,
I now better understand that the images weren't being removed. In terms of why I formatted them the way that I did when I gathered them during the re-write of the article:
* My guidance has been that it's best to right justify the images, especially when the image is the first in a section... that first came to me during one of my Good Article reviews. I know that there are a number of articles, including good articles, about art or artists that don't follow that approach.
::A documentation of the approach was found in a FA review: "Image layout: the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Location states: 'Do not place images on the left at the start of any section or subsection. Images on the left must be placed somewhere after the first paragraph.'"
::The current version of  Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Location states: "In most cases, images should be right justified on pages, which is the default placement."  It also says that it should generally default to the "thumb" setting.
* In addition, we're in the midst of a Good article review for this article and this was not brought up as an issue that needed to be resolved to pass the GA. So, I would prefer not to veer from an approach than has been approved.
That's my thoughts about it, like I say, though, I do know that there are varying opinions about image placement... and that as a graphics person - your opinion is likely to vary from mine because it comes from a different perspective.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: For reference, there are several version of GA checklists, this is the one I use Template:GATable - and I consider image placement to be addressed in sections 1 for MOS and 6 for images.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image placement