Talk:Italo disco

message: Please watch what you link, because several of the artists that were linked, were incorrectly linked to other meanings of the name/word. It is unnecessary to link every artist, given that an existing article on each is very unlikely. I think the artists list should be edited down to only a few of the bigger, more popular ones and the rest can go in the "list of Italo disco artists". Milk 04:35, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Artist links

message: Italo disco cannot be a style !!!!!  How could it be that Kano's "I'm Ready", Koto's "Dragon's Legend" Giorgio Moroder's "Chase", Baby's Gang's "Disco Maniac", Lectric Workers's "The Garden" and Fancy's "Lady of ice" are all the exact same music "style" ??????Vorash 17:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italo Disco "style" /term 

message: I think the article should be reverted to the original opening paragraph. Then once into the article we can discuss whether it is a marketing term or not, and other confusions (besides, as of now that info is repeated). Even if it was a marketing term invented by ZYX, the same goes for "electroclash" today. Larry Tee invented it, and people started using it as a term for the genre/style. With the revival issue, people obviously did play it through the 90's but a "revival" constitutes a large, broadbased, renewed interest. Many different sites say Legowelt incorporates an italo style to his music, which upon listening, i agree. As for italo being a style, true many artists within the genre may sound quite different than others but like with an genre, there are different types or "flavors" that go with different artists. There are sub-genres that form, like with "spacesynth". So italo is just the broad, collective term for all the artists that have an italo style. The things that make up italo are listed in the article. If the song has a disco-type beat, has lots of synths, maybe has vocoders, is about love, robots, space, has the catchy melody, maybe has female singers during the chorus, then it pretty much is italo. All of these are traits of the genre. - Milk 3 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
:Rather than simply reverting, how about suggesting your ideal opening paragraph here on the talk page.  Then we can discuss it and reach a consensus so that we avoid getting into any edit war. The lead paragraph(s) should provide a summary of what follows.—Theo  (Talk) 3 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)
:Don't you understand, Milk, that your description " disco-type beat (4/4), has lots of synths (electronic), maybe has vocoders, is about love or robots or space, has the catchy melody, maybe has female singers during the chorus" is suitable for every dance song in 80s-90s-00s ? So all dance songs are "Italo" ? Thats what you saying ? Vorash 4 July 2005 01:16 (UTC)
::So, what does differentiate "Italo Disco" from any other musical grouping?—Theo  (Talk) 4 July 2005 11:37 (UTC)
:::Only place:Italy and time:1980s and of cause it should be electronic dance music. - I can't find any other parameters. Vorash 4 July 2005 12:42 (UTC)
::::Dance 80s genre: electronic dance music of 80s. (according to dance music article "Dance music is music composed, played, or both, specifically to accompany social dancing.")
::::* Euro disco (sub genre of Dance 80s): electronic dance music made in Europe in 80s.
::::** Italo disco (sub genre of Euro disco) : electronic dance music made in Italy in 80s.
::::Vorash 4 July 2005 13:19 (UTC)
:::::So how does one handle the several non-Italian bands that purport to be creating Italo Disco in the late 1990s and early 2000s?  Is there a different term for this? —Theo  (Talk) 4 July 2005 16:13 (UTC)
::::::Can you please give some examples of songs from 1990s and 2000s that in your opinion are an "Italo" ? Vorash 4 July 2005 16:56 (UTC)
:::::::According to the article "releases in 1998 by Legowelt, and in 2000 by Jeans Team, Bangkok Impact and Hong Kong Counterfeit were among those that fuelled renewed interest". I have heard none of these but it seems that someone considers them to be "Italo".—Theo  (Talk) 4 July 2005 18:19 (UTC)
::::::::Well,i will try to listen to them. Vorash 4 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)
Well the opening paragraph that was there before seemed very good. It said that Italo was an electronic dance music genre, popular in the 80's, with most of the artists coming from Italy, but as stated does not necessarily mean they were all from Italy. In the beginning Italo was used for only Italian artists but soon after was used for other European artists and North American ones too. My description above does not describe all 80's dance music because the major difference is that Italo sounded very 80's BUT had more of a disco beat, rather than the other synth-pop, dance beats. It's hard to describe in words. You just have to hear the songs and then you'll get a picture of what makes up the sound. I think we're just making everything too complicated. The article is an almost perfect description & history of Italo except for the new opening paragraph. I have heard the artists mentioned under the "renewal" and they do have Italo stylings. - Milk 5 July 2005 18:28 (UTC)
:I have now had a listen and there is a commonality of sound that suggests to me that Italo Disco is a style, albeit a loose one. — Theo  (Talk) 5 July 2005 19:19 (UTC)
:Some songs of Jeans Team are an electro, "The Floor" and "Traveller" of Bangkok Impact is also electro. Discogs members think that this music is a combination of styles like Electro-Disco, Electro-Synthpop. Allmusic says Legowelt: Electronica, Electro-Techno, Neo-Electro, Jeans Team:Neo-Electro Vorash 5 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)
::I reverted the intro to a previous one like we said. Is this okay with everyone? I also think that changing the picture to the original Best of Italo Disco, Vol. 1 (which can be found on Discogs) would be cool, but it's not a big deal. - Milk 18:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems good to me. I fixed the 1983/1984 switch that was also lost with the reversion.  I agree that the first compilation would be a better illustration. —Theo  (Talk) 18:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I changed the date. On Discogs it lists the comp as coming out in 1983 but I've seen it elswhere as being 1984, so I'm sure which one is correct. It's not a big deal either way. - Milk 04:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

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message: Proppibly the only Radio station on earth 'Radio Stad Den Haag' that never stopt playing 24/24h Italo tracks since the 80's:
http://www.italobeachparty.nl/_sgt/m2_1.htm
feydey 20:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{Anchor|From the main article}}Enduring Italo radio station

message: I think substantial work needs to be done in clarifying Disco (that happened to be by European artists such as Abba)/ Italo Disco/ HiNRG and Euro Disco.  The lines of this lineage are horribly muddied.  I think Lime would take offense to being called ItaloDisco as they were Canadian and their music has NONE of the strained English that earmarks the genre. Furthermore, Lime's lineage is then muddied to the extent that they can't be seen as rightful influence on the emerging house scene that they truly were (study Angel Eyes and On The Grid if you have doubts about this). Also please see the Italo House page for distinction regarding usage of bad English in the music, as this defining factor was also present in most of the true Italo Disco records.  Also, don't believe everything you read and be careful about assuming musical lineages based on the liner notes of exploitive compilation cd's.  I have my doubts about zyx genuinely labeling any form of music, as it's not exactly the most respected label in the world, you know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.136.203 (talk) 22:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

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message: The text is rather confusing and I am not quite sure what the author's point is. Releases from 1986 are mixed with releases from 1998. For example: Culture Beat's 'Mr. Vain' was released in 1993 and Eiffel 65's 'Blue' was released in 1998, while the article (very) wrongly suggests that they were both released in 1986, at the same time as Radiorama and Baltimore...
I think the author is comparing genre's...but I'm not sure. Can anyone clarify why these releases are being compared? I think this might simply be a wording issue, but I expect there are other parts of the article which are wrong in a similar way. I will go over it later, but for now I would appreciate that the author fixes this part.
Hli 23:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The "1986" part is very misleading...

message: I agree that we should definitely list songs that are important to the genre, either because of their sound, or that they paved the way, or that they are considered classic Italo hits (and we explain why), etc.
But, personally I find that listing endless artists is completely pointless without explanation, and does not make a great article.
It would make much more sense to have a special list called "Hits by Year" or something, and there we could list all these hits.
This article is about Italo Disco as a genre. We can all agree that this term is very wide, and as many of you have pointed out there is no easy way to compare releases such as Koto's "Jabdah", Maskio's "Subway", Paul Sharada's "Dancing All The Night", or Gay Cat Park's "I'm A Vocoder".
So in order not to confuse the readers even more, I suggest that in the main article itself we only list tracks that we can say something about. Did the song contribute greatly to the evolution of the genre? What is so special about that particular release, and why it is important? For example, under 1983 we can write that this or that label was founded, or that this artist had a hit (and say that this Italo Disco track was the first one to be popular while using this or that). You know?
In comparison, when explaining "Rock" to someone, it would make no sense to list songs by Foo Fighters, the Beatles, and Blur, and say "all these songs were hits", unless the point was to show how broad the genre is.
I've been editing the article, both wording & grammar and information wise, and I will continue.
But I'd like to hear some of your opinions on possibly removing artists' releases from the main article.
Hli 17:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{Anchor|We should change the setup of the whole article. Why list all these artists?}}Why list all these artists?

message: ^ I am the author of this history, it comes off the www.myspace.com/italodisco1 page. You are taking my writings and re-wording it without giving credit or sourcing your info. and this is plagiarism! My writings weren't written so you could edit it to your own liking.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.102.139 (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to this, I've tagged the article for copyright violation. I believe the next step is for someone to create a version of the article that removes the offending content. See the copyvio tag on the article page for details. —mjb 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the copyvio text. feydey 03:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

message: Röyksopp should be added to the list of artists influenced by Italo Disco as their "Back To Mine" compilation features several Italo Disco tunes. Perhaps a brief mention in the "Revival, 1998 - present" section also?
Deepcloud (talk) 17:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Röyksopp 

message: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/sep/01/sceneandhearditalodisco
It's written from the UK point of view, but there's some good characterizations of Italo here, and our article needs more sources. Squidfryerchef (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article on Italo in the Guardian 

message: The claim, probably popularized by this very Wikipedia article, is that the Italo Boot Mix series was the first use of "Italo" in connection with this kind of music. But the same year that series started, there was the Best of Italo Disco compilation, also on ZYX, and also spawning a series that lasted throughout the 1980s. In the absence of any definitive info on which came first, I would rather we just acknowledge both. —mjb (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and done this, and also added a mention of the 1980 pop music compilations discussed above. —mjb (talk) 11:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Italo Boot Mix or Best of Italo Disco

message: The term "Spaghetti dance" is another synonym for Italo disco, or for a broader range of Italian dance music perhaps including or (I've been told) excluding Italo disco. But where was it actually used? I am having trouble finding any historical references to that term to add to the article. —mjb (talk) 11:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Spaghetti

message: It's hard to make this article meet Wikipedia standards, but we should try. For example, the following oft-repeated claims may be true, but we can't  yet point to anything authoritative which says so, so we should not repeat them:
* ZYX boss Bernard Mikulski coined the term "Italo Disco".
* The first use of the phrase "Italo Disco" was on the ZYX label's Italo Boot Mix series, which started in 1983.
* The first use of the phrase "Italo Disco" was on the ZYX label's Best of Italo Disco series, which started in 1983.
As it turns out, "Original Italo-Disco" is printed on the sleeve of a 1983 ZYX release of Mr. Flagio's "Take a Chance", as well. ZYX could've put it out ahead of the compilations; we don't have an exact release date to know for sure.
And how can we really know who coined the term? Even if ZYX was the first to put it in print, does that mean Bernhard Mikulski himself invented the name? It could just as easily have been something in the air, a word people were already using. Or maybe someone working for Mikulski came up with it. In any case, ZYX is not known for originality! We must remain skeptical and choose our words carefully.
There is no real evidence, just folklore, much of it propagated by this very Wikipedia article... yet everyone repeats these claims as if they are fact.
It is OK to mention Mikulski and ZYX and say that it's often claimed that he coined the term. That is much different from saying he definitely coined it. And come on, a defunct blog post written a couple years ago, by someone who didn't talk to anyone even remotely connected to the music, is not proof of anything. I've made edits to the article accordingly, and I don't appreciate the anonymous visitor from Milan coming in and undoing those edits without explanation. We must hold this article to a higher standard. —mjb (talk) 00:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: We have no proof Mikulski named the genre

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