Talk:Pingry School

message: Important alumni and old (for US) school Victuallers 18:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

message: um those SAT scores have a huge gap (610-720) for the middle 50%. Furthermore, does this mean that those of us at pingry who are above average intelligence for a Pingry Student all get 720-800s??? just a thought..Jigsaw Jimmy 18:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The SAT scores 

message: Lots and lots of Pingry alumni are in prominent positions, but I've tried to keep this list to those who would meet the Wikipedia criteria detailed here.  Bruxism 01:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable alumni 

message: I added disambiguation between this and Pingree. Anyone have a problem with that? Sound okay? --Sempersoph 22:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pingree 

message: Sometime ago I put up a "neutrality" flag that was promptly removed, without any edit of the actual page. Do schools get different treatment than other articles on Wikipedia? Form the beginning, statements like, "Pingry has stood for excellence in education," etc. permeate the article. I doubt there are any schools that would claim they "stand for mediocrity in education." Again, I think this article is not neutral, not encyclopedic, and self-serving. (If individuals are discouraged from writing about themselves, why are staff and students of an institution not discouraged in the same way? ChrisStansfield 22:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do schools articles fall under different criteria? 

message: As a prep school graduate, I enjoy trolling the Wikipedia articles on various schools, and I'm often quite taken aback by how non-neutral and self-congratulatory they are.  But this one is really aggressively nauseating.  I'm slashing and burning things like how wonderful and nationally recognized Pingry is (I hadn't heard of it until I clicked through from another page.)  It sounds like a great place, but really now, an entire section on the honor code?  This is not notable, as most prep schools and many colleges have some sort of honor code.  Let's see what we can do to ake this better.  Mjl0509 02:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: The latin translation of the school's motto is actually, "The greatest respect is due to the boys," but the school did become Co-educational in 1976.Captain Gamma (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: School Motto

message: Some links on the page are now dead due to the reorganization of the Pingry homepage. Any help on getting updated linkage would be great Lego6245 (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Links

message: I've tagged the Notable alumni section for having no references, and below is the list of all notables who were on the list that don't have Wikipedia pages. If they went to Pingry and there can be references added to support each of them with their connection to the school, then they may be re-inserted. Otherwise they must remain out.
*Five people on the 2006 Forbes 400 list graduated from the Pingry School 
*Chris Bender, producer of the American Pie series of movies
*Judge John D. Bates, United States District Judge, District of Columbia
* David Bugliari, CAA talent agent and husband of Alyssa Milano
* Miller Bugliari, Pingry faculty member and winningest boys' soccer coach in the U.S.; in 2006, was elected to the NSCAA Hall of Fame
* Jeffrey N. Edwards, CFO and senior vice-president of Merrill Lynch
* Sivert Glarum, TV comedy writer
* Halley Wegryn Gross, TV and Broadway actress named one of the College Vanguard fifteen undergraduates
* Andrew Horowitz, songwriter and keyboardist in the band Tally Hall
* James E. Hughes, Jr., author 
* Steven Johnson, senior analyst at Microsoft and leading developer of Internet Explorer 5
* Adam Kalkin, innovative architect
* Daniel Kellner, top U.S. foil fencer, 2004 Greece Olympian
* Gideon Lewis-Kraus, literary critic and journalist
* Chris Lear, successful runner and author of two books, including Running with the Buffaloes
* Therese Lizardo, Miss District of Columbia 2004
* Douglas Macrae, writer of Ms. Pac-man and the interactive TV listings menu that originated on satellite TV
* Mary Moan, female golfer, 1993 HS all-American, 1997 college all-American, winner of 16 collegiate tournaments at Princeton, and former golf coach at Yale
* Stephan Newhouse, former president of Morgan Stanley
* Ryohei Richard Okamoto, keyboardist and vocalist in the band Houston Calls
* Charles A. Potter, III, engineer who worked on designing the Nautilus submarine
* David Randall J. Riskin, well-known Washington, D.C. lawyer
* Jon Sarkin, artist and stroke survivor, whose life story is to be portrayed in a movie by Tom Cruise
* Robert A. Schriesheim, Noted corporate executive and public company director - Chief Financial Officer/EVP of Lawson Software
* C. Lee Shelley, U.S. top épée fencer, 2-time Olympian in 1984 Los Angeles and 1988 Seoul
* Liz Simmons, Dean, educator, physicist, Michigan State University
* Park B. Smith, philanthropist and textile magnate
* Bruce Tunkel, singer, songwriter, and former lead of the group The Red House
* Carl Van Duyne, Ph. D., junior member of the Council of Economic Advisors, commissioned naval officer, economics professor at United States Naval Academy, 1968 Olympian in sailing
* Kenneth Wachter, demographer, chair of the demographics department at Cal Berkeley
* Edward A. Weeks, Jr., former editor of The Atlantic Monthly magazine
* Lyric Wallwork Winik, Parade magazine columnist
* Jack Youngelson, documentary filmmaker
Jrcla2 (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notables = refs needed 

message: Actually, the school was originally at Dr. Pingry's house on Pingry Place until his death in 1893, after which the school moved to another location in Elizabeth at Parker Road, which in 1953 Pingry vacated for the campus in Hillside. Captain Gamma (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Building Site 

message: This article on the Pingry School has a list of the high school's state championships for its sports teams spanning multiple years. Would a list of a high school's state championships be considered due for inclusion? Relevant policies: WP:DUE (WP:NPOV), WP:V. GuardianH (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Include (invited by the bot, BTW, you didn't link that article in the notice) Or more specifically, it should be an editorial decision without quoting WP:Due to support an "exclude" view.     WP:Due is to achieve balance and avoid spin/bias, not to exclude uncontroversial material that is suitable for the article.  BTW it does look a bit lengthy, you might want to thin it out a bit.  North8000 (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @North8000 WP:UNDUE specifies that  is an issue giving undue weight to certain material. I would say that the extensive list here gives undue weight to the school's state championships, hence why it should be condensed.  - Maybe this RfC would be better if it was a question on whether or not to reduce the section? But the thing is, the policy that would justify thinning the section would be WP:UNDUE. GuardianH (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would recommend reducing the size of that section on editorial/article quality grounds.  And yes, it would have been better to ask that question. The current RFC can be read or interpreted as whether to (completely) exclude mention of state championships....a more extreme exclusion which I don't think that many folks would/will support. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In the edit made to the article for Pingry School, GuardianH removed any and all sourced descriptions of athletic championships, with the edit summary "remove this huge WP:LAUNDRYLIST of minor championships, WP:COI additions, WP:PROMOTION". GuardianH has never trimmed or summarized any of these lists; every single one of GuardianH's similar edits (see Immaculate Heart Academy, Millburn High School and Summit High School (New Jersey)) have taken the maximalist position and removed these details in their entirety. Based on this history, the question that GuardianH is asking can only be interpreted to be seeking a complete and total exclusion of any mention of athletic championships. Alansohn (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I agree that the size of the section on athletics is out of balance with the rest of the article. In fact, the article now consists largely of content about athletics and a sexual abuse scandal. That is a disservice to the school. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 20:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Include There has been broad consensus that state and national championships are what should be included, with appropriate reliable and verifiable sources, as are found here. Of course, it may well be appropriate to copyedit the material, but to be clear, GuardianH's alternative position is that there should be no details about any sports championships, regardless of level, as shown in editing the articles for Pingry School and Immaculate Heart Academy, among other such mass removals of sourced content. Alansohn (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not my position. I have opposed this article's list of championships, but I never said that there should be no details whatsoever about sport championships — I said that there should be something substantive (i.e. the "school has won multiple championships in x, y, z" rather than an entire list of singular championships like there is here. Comment on the championships, but don't list them all.  – not in any of our previous disagreements have you ever specified where this  is - there hasn't been a  to have a huge list of a high school's championship wins. GuardianH (talk) 17:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the important point: There is no "broad consensus" about overloading articles with this kind of trivia and repetitive writing. There is way too much detail here, it makes the article unreadable. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 15:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Include A list of a school's state championships is a standard feature of pretty much every high school article I've encountered. Most of them look something like this: Klein High School#Sports and other activities (not holding this up as a perfect example, but rather a typical one). Not every championship necessarily needs commentary, but a concise summary of achievements beyond a state championship, or of multiple consecutive championships, could be warranted based on the sourcing. Looking at this article, it looks like it could use significant trimming and copy-editing, but that doesn't mean that individual state championships should be excluded. Stedil (talk) 19:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on whether a high school's list of state championships is [[WP:DUE|due for inclusion]]