Talk:Ray of Light

message: *Madonna’s ‘Ray of Light’ still shines quite bright
*Madonna Spin cover story
—Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: Critics and scholars have noted the album's influence on popular music, especially how it widely introduced electronica music into mainstream pop culture. They have also noted the way in which Madonna was able to re-invent herself and remain contemporary among the teenage artists of the period. Ray of Light has been frequently ranked among the greatest albums of all time. -->  How does this look  and ? —IB [ Poke ] 11:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that ping worked - anyway, I prefer this re-write to the current text. Would it be possible to add a citation? Although lead items don't need one, a single cite at the end of that would help our readers know exactly where to do to read more about this. What do you think ? --  samtar talk or stalk 12:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Just to add to the above, I think we can all sometimes forget who we're writing this content for - the readers of the encyclopedia! Try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows nothing about  (which would be an awesome tribute act name) --  samtar talk or stalk 12:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   Great to hear  -  do you think you can track down a source for that, I know you've got a couple and you're pretty great at finding new ones - just a single cite which supports the overall sentence would suffice. Thank you both for working together and coming to an agreement --  samtar talk or stalk 12:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  sorry sometimes the ping thing does not work. Yes we can add one citaion for each of the assertion as I gave above. Or can we internally redirect the reader to the legacy section for more details? In terms of reader's perspective only I would say redirecting to the legacy section seems like a plausible thing to do. —IB [ Poke ] 12:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See above edit conflict!  --  samtar talk or stalk 12:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  the best source to explain all of this is from Taraborrelli's book Madonna: An Intimate Biography with the lines ... "Ray of Light as another calculated ruse on the part of the artist to exploit rave-inspired electronica music, which was mostly off mainstream pop's radar until Madonna got hold of it. The same page also talks about how Britney and Christina were releasing bubblegum music while Madonna maintained autonomy, as well as the Rolling Stone list. Will that do? —IB [ Poke ] 12:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me, go for it --  samtar talk or stalk 12:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Jeremiah and samtar, I implemented it with this edit. —IB [ Poke ] 13:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest a rephrase

message: I have been attempting to reduce the appearance of bias in the lead by removing and requesting early references. The previous lead contains claims that appear to fall under WP:FANCRUFT. To avoid such accusations I suggest adding references to these specific claims or using more subdued language to make the lead appear more neutral. references may not be *required* in the lead but they certainly will help allay concerns of editorial bias.  Jeremiah (talk·cont) 11:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add your theory above section where there is already discussion. —IB [ Poke ] 11:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Jeremiah, the lead section does not require citations when it summarizes article body text which is fully supported with cites, as in this case. People have been asking you to read WP:LEAD; have you done so? Nothing in the guideline says that bias belongs in the lead section, cited or not. Personally, I thought the wording was quite accurate and neutral before you came along. Nothing at all like fancruft. Binksternet (talk) 12:25, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware of WP:LEAD and the point it is trying to make but this encyclopedia is written for readers not Wiki beurocratcs. Quoting Wiki standards is not going to help a reader that thinks the article was written by a PR firm when loaded language like "best album of all time" is tossed about. The fact that I was not even the first person to bring up WP:FANCRUFT —it was actually  in WP:AN/EW—should be enough to substantiate that.  Jeremiah (talk·cont) 13:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  can you please stop the negative attacking language like "you should be ashamed for using it"? Its extremely incivil and does not contribute in the discussion because none of us here actually added the content.  has a point which I also believe and Fortuna Imeratrix Mundi is not above all. —IB [ Poke ] 13:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Is not above all": Is that your version of WP:AGF or respecting other editors? I hope not, as you know how that story ends. Cheers, Pocketed</sup> 17:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to be admonished by a teenager that had such a huge temper tantrum he labeled an entire section of this discussion using "uncivil" language. Tried to start a report for a 3RR violation he himself committed and then deleted my comments on his talk page when I tried to bring this up. Your tone set this discussion, , you can own it. I'm absolutely dissinterested in Madonna, her music, and her discography and you both are clearly NOT. You both should take a step back and consider your bias and fancruft. I'm not responding to any further of your personal attacks or non-relevant comments. Have your childish last words if you must. Hopefully you'll grow into someone that sets the tone for further dissagrements using more diplomatic means.  Jeremiah (talk·cont) 13:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise Edits for  

message: In the section "Suggest a rephrase" both  and  agreed to the alteration of the lead. I would welcome any other interested editors to provide their comments below, so that a consensus can be made and this discussion closed. My thanks to IB for boldly closing the discussion earlier, however I agree with  that you are too involved. I propose keeping this discussion open for a couple more days --  samtar talk or stalk 12:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the recent decline in usefullness of the discussion, the creeping incivility and the semi-involvement I've had in mediating this, would you be willing to close this? --  samtar talk or stalk 13:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: Ray of Light reached platinum status in Belgium. Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 05:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certification 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In this entire article, Curtis Maldoon's "Sepheryn" isn't mentioned once. It's the 1971 song that "Ray of Light" was based on. The songwriters are credited, but that's it. 70.77.106.11 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sepheryn 

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message: *Самым успешным релизом Мадонны в России стал альбом "Ray Of Light" (Warner Music / Студия Союз / 1998), достигший отметки 150.000 легально проданных CD/MC и не менее 200.000 пиратских (150,000 legally copies in Russia)
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thread_title:  REFS