Talk:Columbia, Maryland

message: 1. "Eastablished" is not a word, and opened is more accurate
2. Big box and suburb were already linked in the article.
3. automobile is a common noun that does not require a link.
 dml 13:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit, I didn't catch the mispelling, but I don't think you can argue that opened is more accurate.  It makes it sound like an amusement park.  -James Howard (talk/web) 14:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  revert 

message: Which came first, Columbia Pike, or Columbia, Maryland? If it's the latter, then how old are the portions called "Old Columbia Pike?" Or was there a Columbia, MD before the Rouse Co. built it into the town we know today? (A third, perhaps unlikely, scenario is the town was named as such to take advantage of the fact that the road was already named that way.) I assumed Columbia Pike actually referred to "Disctrict of Columbia", but those using the road may in fact be travelling to Columbia, MD. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pike does in fact refer to the District of Columbia, it has that name in Montgomery County as well as Howard County. It dates from the early 19th century I believe.  I recall reading Columbia was the name of a post office on Columbia Pike in the general vicinity of the current new town, and the subdivision of Columbia Hills, just northeast of the intersection of US 29 and MD 108 predates the new town of Columbia. dml 17:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Various sources, notably Creating a New City, state that the project name was Columbia, as the area had previously been known as Columbia.  When the it came time to pick a final name Columbia stuck.  -James Howard (talk/web) 17:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbia: the Pike and the town 

message: Hecht's was acquired by Macy's in 2006, and they have officially transitioned all Hecht's stores to Macy's stores.  Although the sign at the mall may still say Hecht's, I believe it is prudent to reflect the recent change and acquisition. Amit 14:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy's vs. Hecht's @ the Mall 

message: Not that I necessarily like suburbs myself, but to say the word "inexorably" seems to be biased against the phenomenon.  The word "aloof" also seems inappropriate.  Icemachine79 15:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Paragraph 

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In the opening paragraph it says "town" but in later paragraphs it says "city". Columbia has a "town center" but technically it is a city. Comments.
In the eyes of the Howard County and State of Maryland governments, I believe Columbia is technically a town, not a city, despite the fact that it has near 100,000 inhabitants.  Columbia is not its own municipality, nor does it govern itself (though the Columbia Association itself has its own governing body). -user:bmortimer
:Techncally, in the eyes of the Howard County and State of Maryland governments, Columbia is neither a town or a city. Columbia is unincorporated; it has no mayor, no city council, no separate school district.  From a legal standpoint, Columbia is a series of neighborhoods and developments in an unincorporated area of Howard County.    Of course, in practice, these neighborhoods and developments form a coherent community that is perceived as a unit by its residents; thus, the area is a census-designated place.  But since it is neither a "town" nor a "city" in the way those terms are legally used in Maryland, we are left to fall back on how they are used colloquially, with the resulting inconsistencies. --Jfruh (talk) 21:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is in fact a sharp definition of what consitutes Columbia: it consists of that land under the control of the Columbia Association. Therefore Atholton and Diamondback are not part of Columbia proper because they both predate it and therefore are not bound by CA covenants. There are also some parcels here and there within the CA territory which they never acquired and therefore are not fully part of Columbia. For our purposes it's probably best to stick with the "new city" terminology just for consistency sake, as long as we are clear that it doesn't mean the kind of dense urbanization that people conventionally associate with the word. Mangoe (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but that's a purely private arrangement -- in that sense, Columbia is essentially an enormous condominium complex or housing association.  My point is that from the point of view of the state and county, there's no legal erected city (or town, or village, or whatever) of Columbia in the sense that, say, there's a city of Rockville. --Jfruh (talk) 04:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Town or city? 

message: Please list all the neutrality issues in this section so that they may be addressed. Timneu22 11:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody has done so over the last five months, I'm removing the template. --Jfruh (talk) 22:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have re-added the neutrality tag, as the article appears to be written somewhat like an advertisement, promoting the city rather than describing it in a neutral manner of tone. I have removed the advert-like passages from the intro section, but there still may be more left throughout the article. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: I've checked the high schools against the attendance area map and made corrections accordingly. Mangoe (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed list of high schools 

message: This is quite short on citations. In particular the many claims for novelty need citation. Mangoe (talk) 02:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for "fact" tags 

message: We have some geographic and demographic problems as it stands, because the census tract is a lot bigger than Columbia is. Judging from their maps, they are including Atholton, Diamondback, Holiday Hills, and the southern part of Clarksville, all of which predate Columbia and are not part of any of the "new citry" planning. The 2006 maps even include Savage, which is a century older than Columbia. It's quite misleading to talk about these areas as if they have anything to do with Rouse's vision, because they don't. They are merely fiats of convenience by the census, and even then the post office agrees that Savage and Clarksville aren't in Columbia.
I've added a little language to clarify this, but I think it needs more elaboration. Please add your comments on this matter. Mangoe (talk) 15:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that, in the absence of an actual municipality of Columbia, there are simply multiple ways to define "Columbia."  The Census Bureau has one definition, and the Columbia Association has another.  The problem is that its the Census's definition that is easiest to derive demographic data from.  If you'd like to go through the raw census data and exclude those areas that aren't part of the Columbia Association, go ahead. Failing that, it might be easiest to just put a note on the demographic data to the effect that includes some areas not part of the Columbia Assocation.--Jfruh (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just how big is Columbia anyway? 

message: Citations are needed for the "new town" statement. Most wiki articles correspond "city", "town", "village" and "townships" as incorporated places under the guidelines of their respective states. Unless Columbia was chartered by the state, it's still considered unincorporated. --Moreau36 (talk) 17:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of the problem is our article on new town, which covers every variety of planned community, but which should really be talking about the American "new town" movement of the 1960s-70s. I'm having trouble finding really good citations for the movement as a whole, though for instance I found the movement discussed in ; on page 1, it says "The 1960s new-town movement— most strongly reflected at Reston, Virginia; Columbia, Maryland; and Irvine, California— sought to reshape how Americans built and nurtured new suburban communities." Bloom in a footnote refers to another book which is apparently considered the classic study on the movement, which I'm going to see if I can get a hold of from the Ho Co library. In any case, I can find a host of references to Columbia that call it a "new town", up to and including the zone district for it; for instance, there's a recent Washington Post reference here. Mangoe (talk) 21:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the clarification. The definitions can cause major confusion for the casual reader. There are different definitions for Columbia; the USGS, the U.S. Census Bureau, and from the developers. --Moreau36 (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification is needed for "new town" 

message: The article is not about a subdivision of the census; it's an article about a planned community. Mangoe (talk) 15:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Columbia is also a census-designated place defined by the Bureau itself, just like other CDP articles within Wikipedia. The demographics in 2000 were strictly tderived from the census, which does not treat "planned communities" or "new towns" as incorporated places unless  the municipal charter was given by Maryland. It's a "planned community" or "new town", but the truth of the matter is, it's still unincorporated. (see: Westchase, Florida or Reston, Virginia)  It doesn't make sense creating a separate article for just Columbia CDP. --Moreau36 (talk) 16:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the last sentiment to extent of saying that we shouldn't have articles on CDPs at all. The problem is that people keep changing the lede in this and other articles to say that "Columbia (or whatever town name) is a CDP." Well, especially in this case the statement is misleading. Most of what the article says is UNtrue about the CDP as a whole. Mangoe (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article isn't about a [[CDP]] 

message: OK, so the Grace facility long predates Columbia; it actually isn't "in" anywhere. The Westvaco facility was on the far side of the road from JHU/APL and never even had a Columbia address (APL now uses the buildings as an annex). Mangoe (talk) 03:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is Grace in Columbia? Grace has this website Grace in Columbia, Maryland I think you are right about Westvaco. I checked and they appeared to have been at 11101 Johns Hopkins Rd, Laurel, MD 20723. I fixed the article.   (talk) 14:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops, my commit message says Removed sourced statement that Westvaco was in Columbia but I meant to write Removed unsourced statement that Westvaco was in Columbia   (talk) 15:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The continuing issue: what's in Columbia? 

message: The mention of "spot development" is confusing.  Haphazard development in various certain spots?  Of that specific area?  I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, and a brief search-engine jaunt turns up nothing useful.
Would also be nice to know what the "model school for the nation" bit about Wilde Lake High School is supposed to be referring to. ElectricValkyrie (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.   (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
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