Talk:Redwall/Archive 1

message: Some mention should be made of the cartoon adaptation.  m410
:There is a mention, it's right there in the first paragraph.  Of course, if you want something more substantial, then by all means, go ahead and put it in (or make another page, if appropriate).  Just don't ask ME to do it - I wasn't even aware a TV version *existed* until I read the page...
:Oh, and by the way, I noticed that your current two contributions have only been to talk pages, including this one, not to mention that it seemed like you could've made the change yourself with the other article.  It's almost always perfectly acceptable to edit the article yourself, instead of mentioning it on the talk page. - Bulbaboy 19:03, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: cartoon adaptiom

message: I changed the sentence to say that the animals' speech is rendered into English rather than actually being English. Tolkein explains in The Lord of the Rings how the characters in his books don't actually speak English, but the narrator renders the Westron (and some other languages) into various modes of English to suit the characters. Perhaps this is plausible for Redwall as well, and Jacques doesn't explicitly say that the creatures of his forests speak English itself. Jeeves 11:48, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: language?

message: Considering how large the Species section of this page has grown, maybe a page for just that should be created to keep the two articles at more managable size?  If this idea is met with approval I'll take responsibility for creating the new page.  McJeff 19:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposition 

message: But some of the speech used in the books seems a lot like various British dialects of English; for instance the moles' speech sounds like the West Country accent of England.
Of course, this could just be a way of distinguishing them.
:Whole issue is somewhoat irrevelant.  Without any statement from Jacques the question becomes rediculous and there is no point discussing it.12.17.189.77 15:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see how the languages are really that important to Redwall. They all speak english, don't they? Instead of sniffing and chittering or speaking mole, as long as anyone can understand it I don't thing its really relevant to the discussion. Oyo321 18:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages in Redwall 

message: Someone said that the book Salamandastron contained a giant cow. I'm sorry, but I've read the book and have no memory of any kind of bovine. You were doubtlessly referring to the Deepcoiler, which is NOT a cow, but rather a sea serpent. Scorpionman 13:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I own that book, and have read it at least 3 times. No cows. --Tjstrf 18:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monsters 

message: This is getting ridiculous. First someone said that there was a cow in the book Salamandastron. Now, someone puts the book Yossi the Warrior in the list of Redwall books. There is no Redwall book by the name of Yossi the Warrior. Scorpionman 15:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess some people who don't like Redwall want to make the series seem ridiculous. Dappled Sage 18:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False 

message: Someone removed this phrase "Whether it's truly about Redwall has been debated" from the description of Terrouge under external links. I'd like to know why this has been removed, and why I shouldn't put it back. --147.124.49.89 05:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that's point of view and speculation. Not that this really matters, since the link is gone now, but I don't like leaving questions on talk pages unanswered. --tjstrf 23:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: Are there any plans for a live-action film based on the first novel? Scorpionman 14:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge, not at this time, no. There have been animated films, but nothing live-action. However, given the success of Narnia at the box office, it could open up the door. --66.190.72.175 00:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Heh heh, sounds like a pretty good description. With the success of the fantasy films that have been coming out over the past few years, I'd say that it's quite likely that a company such as Disney, which did Narnia, would do a Redwall live-action film. Just hoping! Scorpionman 18:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with a Redwall movie would be how to keep it kid-friendly, since that would be the target demographic, while still being true to the books. The animated series suffered from this quite a bit. --Tjstrf 23:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Narnia faced the same problem, seeing as how it's supposed to be a rather kid-friendly story yet remain appealing to adults, but it succeeded at the problem. Redwall could do the same. One thing I would hope to see in a live-action film would be an extension upon Cluny's history. That would be neat. Scorpionman 02:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Narnia has been around long enough that a lot of adults would be willing to go see it "for old time's sake" and because they remember the books. I actually thought that movie was a bit more violent than it should have been, given the target audience. Granted, the battle was done excellently by any standard, and having giant Yak-minotaur thingies fighting against centaurs makes for an exciting battle, but was it a wise decision for maintaining the integrity of the series? I'm not so sure there. --Tjstrf 09:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You do realize that if portrayed in the full graphic detail described in the books, it would be earning a pg-13 rating, minimum, right? Decapitations, crushing people to death, to say nothing of "cruelty to animals" which a lot of parents would gripe about... it would be more like Stuart Little meets Battle Royale than Lord of the Rings. --Tjstrf 09:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Making a film out of Redwall is impossible to keep it PG!!!! Disney will not be able to make such a film. Heck, I woukldn't watch it unless it was R. I mean, Tjstrf is right, there is nothing really "kiddy friendly" in the books and it shouldn't be that different either. No way Redwall is going to be a hit if it doesn't have violence in it, because to me, thats pretty much the fun and whole of the stories. People, don't hope for the best.
Also, I think Narnia was a pretty bad movie. It didn't have the fight scenes I expected, and they botched the whole thing up. The movie went well until the climax (the battle) and Disney screwed it up. I'm not confident that Disney would make a good movie out of Redwall, although I like Disney and I'm disappointed and ashamed at their progress now. 
To 12hernn, Final Fantasy didn't have any violence in it. Nobody exactly "she blood" in it, and there weren't gruesome stabs and uppercuts. Oyo321 18:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's not exactly the "live-action" we had in mind. To tell you the truth, I think Disney would do a pretty good job on Redwall. Narnia wasn't half as bad as some users made it out to be, I like the fight sequences and think that it was well-acted and directed. Sure, Redwall would probably be PG-13, that's not something I'd complain about! It wouldn't have to be a slasher film in order to be a hit, for crying out loud! The Lord of the Rings weren't slasher films, although they are pretty violent, Redwall would probably have the same amount of violence (minus the decapitations and cannibalism present in Lord of the Rings). I'm sure they'd work it out all right. This animated Redwall film that 12hernn mentioned probably is just the series, not any feature film. Ratso 19:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: Recently a new user with an obvious interest in this topic has posted several new pages about what appear to be characters in the Redwall series. I don't know anything about this, so could someone go through the user contributions of User:Sandry25 and link in the 5 or so pages that she has created? Currently they are just bald text without wikilinks. 
Thanks,
Witty lama 01:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned pages on this topic 

message: In one of the books, one of the seers called upon Vulpiz, Ruler of the Hellgates to reveal the future. It is a vague character so I placed it under 'Monsters'. Seeing the editing of "Criticisms", I don't want to make a similar mistake. I wanted to make sure that I did not make a similar mistake with this obscure character. Please edit or remove the article if it doesn't belong there. (Anonymous User) May 12, 2006
: Im not sure which book he is mentioned in, but I remember reading that anme as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dappled Sage (talk • contribs) 18:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vulpiz?

message: Clarified a few things in the article about Blaggut. Alvin6226 20:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blaggut

message: I've made a major edit to this page which mostly involves shortening and cleaning up the criticism section. I still think it might be too long, so feel free to prune it a bit. Here's a summary of what I did:
*I didn't see how the militarism section was a criticism, and it didn't explain it. However, there was some decent information in here, so I used this to start a new "Characters" section to describe each of the species and categorize them as good/bad. These are kind of rudimentary right now, but I'll try to expand them a bit, and PLEASE help me out in doing so
*I've never heard the "Abbey" term used as a criticism, so I moved that section to a new "Locations" section where hopefully descriptions of Redwall and Salamandastron will develop. However, this paragraph may eventually go into another section about miscellaneous topics in Redwall, where this paragraph will fit nicely under a "Religion" heading
*I cut out some of the details in the criticism section, as hopefully the characters section will describe some of these phenomena. There's still some detail that may need to be cut out later.
*It would be nice to find some sources for these criticisms. If you know of any sources, please provide them.
*Remember, there are new sections that I've created that I think can be great. Please help me in expanding these
That's all for now. Let me know if you have any questions! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi EW, you seem quite knowledgeable on the Redwall series, and I'd like to invite you to participate on the actual Redwall wiki resource, http://redwall.wikia.com --LordTBT 09:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edit

message: I've just found these pages and, having not read any Redwall books in six years, don't feel at all qualified to answer it.  Does Jacques have a serious issued against the word "said"?  I could never find a single ccurrence in any of the books; either he uses words like shouted, asked etc. (descriptive versions) or had speech by associations - "Of course not, don't be so stupid!" Martin turned to face them. (not an actual quote) - where the speaker is implied by dialect and context but not explicitly stated. Tyrhinis 20:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He does vastly prefer to use descriptive verbs over standard ones throughout his novels, but is that actually a noteworthy thing to include in the article? --tjstrf 15:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Said" 

message: Within the next week, I'd like to start revising the individual Redwall novel pages so that they conform to the guidelines set out in the  Wikipedia Novel Project.  At the very least, I would like to add a novel info box to each page, with the book cover, publication information, etc.  I realize that this information is already available at the Redwall Wiki, but in accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels it should be available directly on Wikipedia.
My only concern is that people will disagree as to which version should be featured in the info box - the US hardcover edition, or the UK hardcover edition.  Being an American, I would naturally use the US hardcover editions in creating the info boxes, but seeing as this is a potentially controversial subject, I wanted to post my intentions here first.  Any support or objections, with valid arguments, should be posted in response here, although you can also leave me a message on my talk page.  Cheers!  - Runch 04:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The plan sounds good, and I support it. As far as the cover art goes, generally British subjects use British spelling and cover art. However, being an American myself, I tend to favor American covers as well. Perhaps it could be done on a case-by-case basis, and decide which is more aesthetically pleasing. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Jacques is British and his books are British. We should give British cover artists credit, as those are the originals. I happen to agree, that, the British covers are a bit cheesy, compared to the American ones, but British book covers should be used. Oyo321 17:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I had planned on getting started on this project today, but now there seems to be some dissent.  Unfortunately, I have a feeling that there is no 'right' answer to this problem. The way I plan to deal with it is as follows:  I will use the american hardback cover in the infobox and I will also prominently display the british hardback cover with credit to the cover artist. I will do the same for every novel, to retain consistency.  Hopefully, this won't cause too much controversy, as I feel it gives proper credit to both versions of the cover. - Runch 14:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: British books should have the British cover. This is the english language Wikipedia, not the american one. :) --Conti|✉ 14:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, I consent.  But unfortunately, I don't know where to obtain all the publication details for the British versions of the novels (this was actually the main reason I proposed using the American covers in the infoboxes).  Can someone point me in the right direction? - Runch 14:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the Redwall main site. There could be some stuff there. Oyo321 13:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels 

message: It seems to me that the sparrows of Redwall are getting the short end of the stick.  Their only mention is as incidental villians in Redwall, and their larger heroic role later on in that book or in Mattimeo have been overlooked. 24.59.66.226 01:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, birds have never really played a significant role in Redwall-they were secondary animals, and don't have a significant influence in the books as a whole, although they do appear in Mattimeo. Oyo321 17:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sparrows 

message: A question to anybody who knows it. What is the size ratio of birds to the rodent animals? In one of his book (can't remember) a badger named Sunflash has a falcon friend that is small, like a human compared with a falcon. But in another one of the Redwall books (can't remember again) a bird called red kite or something like that is apparently huge and towering above the rodents, an accurate ratio. So wouldn't Sunflash then be really, really big? or the other way around? Which is right??? There also seems to be a problem with cats and mice. In the book Mossflower, a cat accidently swallows Martin the Warrior, implying that the cat is an accurate size compared to a small mouse. Later, when Martin fights Tsarmina, they're both the same size. ???????????????? Oyo321 17:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birds

message: I made the following edits:
*1.  Removed "on PBS" from the mention of the TV series.  The series was not first released on PBS, in fact it did not even reach PBS until 2001.
*2.  Reworded the bit on Skipper of Otters and the Rhulain.  I think it reads better now.
*3.  Removed the link to The World of Redwall from the Redwall Abbey section.  If you can make the link relevant to the article, by all means include it, but don't try to sneak the link in as a link to Redwall Abbey.
- Runch 23:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed Bits

message: Would anyone else be interested in forming a Redwall wikiproject to consolidate, organize, and maintain information on Redwall in Wikipedia?  In part this idea grows out of a discussion on AFD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russa Nodrey.  The way the Redwall series is currently handled on Wikipedia is a little... disorganized and haphazard.  Currently every character from Redwall has their own article.  Most of them are stubs, most aren't very good.  There are more than 120 articles on various aspects of Redwall on Wikipedia.  
I'd like to form a wikiproject to handle the articles on Redwall.  One of the first things I'd like it to tackle would be the character articles.  I'd like to create a List of Redwall characters organized by which book the character first appeared in, with the books in the order in which they were published, turing the individual character articles into re-directs.
If anyone is interested in improving the treatment of Redwall articles on Wikipedia, please join me in creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Redwall. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 14:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as my name is Tristan J. S. the Redwall Fan, I'm probably morally obligated to join you on this one. Just don't expect too much of me for the next week or so, since I'm in SAT studies overdrive right now. --tjstrf 15:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Redwall 

message: Has anyone noticed how feminist these books are becoming? Mariel of Redwall, Cregga Rose Eyes, and High Rhulain are just a few examples. Great warriors, some of whom are also rulers. I don't think Wikipedia is discussing this in this article, but it should, because it's an important point see. What happened to the good old fierce, ferocious males? Why, these female "leaders" have no respect even for their male companions! Ratso 13:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No those are 3 characters from 3 different books well mariel is in like 3 books, but thats not the point. they're intermittenly(if thats a word) male and female. Dappled Sage 18:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminist