Talk:Gerovital

message: I have to wonder... C. S. Lewis's first Narnia book, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, was published in 1950. In these books, Aslan is a magical lion who is also a Christ-like or God-like figure. It's an interesting name, and it is surprisng to me to suddenly encounter it in a completely different context. Ana Aslan was apparently just starting to become well known in 1950... I wonder if Aslan is a common Romanian surname? I wonder if Lewis was aware of it as a Romanian surname and liked the sound of it, or what? Dpbsmith (talk) 02:40, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's of Cuman origin, if anyone cares... bogdan 17:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Aslan" and the C. S. Lewis books 

message: ...seems to always be given as Gerovital H3. It is not just "Gerovital." There does not seem to be a hyphen between the H  and the 3. I have seen some instances where the 3 was superscripted, Gerovital H3. If the article survives VfD I will leave it under Gerovital because that's shorter and easier to look up, but intend to add a redirect from Gerovital H3 and possibly GH3 and G-H3 which seem to be common abbreviations. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:45, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name of the substance always seems to have the H3 

message: Procaine dosages suggested by Gerovital suppliers are low compared to those used for anesthesia. The "package insert" link in the article shows that one preparation contains 100 mg. of procaine per individual dose. Dosages of over 500 mg are commonly used in local anesthesia. One figure for the "minimum anesthetic dose associated with adverse reactions" 19.2 mg of procaine per kg of body weight, or over 1300 mg for an a person weighting 70 kg (154 lb). This shouldn't go into the article though because I'm not sure of my ground and this is really too close to expressing a medical opinion. 
http://www.btinternet.com/~teppic2000/KurtCobainCase/DMDPT8.htm says procaine is a common adulterant in street heroin and strongly implies that it may have played a factor in Kurt Cobain's death. Dpbsmith (talk) 03:03, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety 

message: I'm still researching this, but this Gerovital advocacy article, http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_gerovital_(gh3).html, stays that it is still banned by the FDA, and as nearly as I can tell all websites offering to supply it are located overseas, so I'm reasonably sure it is still illegal to sell it in interstate commerce in the United States. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:30, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still illegal as of 2004 

message: How is it administered?
From the prohibition list, I understand that it can be taken orally, injected and as a cream, isn't it?
What did Aslan use?
--84.20.17.84 13:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presentation 

message: The paragraphs in the first section beginning "As with many scientific discoveries,"  "Ana Aslan, MD was a Doctor of the National Institute of Gerontology and Geriatrics,"  "This notion launched her," and "Claims coming out of the Institute's clinics" all need sources. All that's needed is to say where they came from. Very likely they are from some book or magazine article about Aslan or Gerovital. All I'm asking for good citation(s) of the book or article--title, year of publication, publisher, magazine if not a book, page numbers, etc. It's just a question of where the information came from. If it's a book by Aslan, that would be a very good source.Dpbsmith (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: It was necessary to alter some sentences to insure neutrality. These particular sentences had no citations and were apparently the product of the imagination of someone who really, really hates Gerovital. Medicine is amazingly political and I've been fascinated how slanted some articles on science, particularly medicine, can be here on Wikipedia. Gingermint (talk) 23:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few fixes 

message: The sentence He adds, "don't bother with a conventional doctor [who] will have the usual American medical establishment brain wash attitude." seems to give a POV weighted against medicine and towards Supplementary, Complementary, and Alternative Medicines. I'd delete it but I bring it here first. Jerod Lycett (talk) 06:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV sentence 

message: Substituted at 16:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article is clearly one sided, it could be because the company is not chipping in. Just sources that denounce it are mentioned, and misleading quotations are used, like in that 1973 article the quote was taken out of context:
http://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/18/archives/disputed-drug-is-restudied-for-use-in-geriatrics-reports-a-decade-a.html
The article clearly states that scienVats tried something else with little effects, while the wikipedia article says the article mentions 3 clinical trials, which were mentioned but they were taken 10 years before, not related to the "cold" water statement. In the article the defender's of the drugs views are also mentioned, still the editor managed to collect just the negative review.
Only failed clinical trials are mentioned.
Also, saying that it is promoted using false claims, that would be illegal, still it is sold all over Europe. Talking about false claims, we have many other anti-aging creams that are promoted in the same way, just with different main ingredients such as Retinol or Coenzime Q10.
The FDA has banned many other drugs that are used in the EU and other parts of the world, so if the FDA has banned it it does not mean that is automatically something dangerous.
Some of the sources are from the communist period, when the propaganda was writing one sided articles in order to denounce on purpose.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.103.128.131 (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article satisfies WP:NPOV. If there are reliable sources we are not using,  please propose them. Note sources for treatment efficacy must be WP:MEDRS. The changes you made were not neutral. Alexbrn (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  article is not neutral 

message: The above criticism, a year and a half old, is largely accurate.  This article manages to be too negative about a quack product, and that is difficult.  This article needs a little toning down.  We don't need to be quite as hard in the voice of Wikipedia.  There must be plenty of anti-quack newsletters to quote from.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Neutral