Talk:Ababda people

message: The article needs to explain first of all whether or not these people are Arabs. Gringo300 19:43, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not at all sure why "first of all" that's what the article needs to do. They are not a group that speaks a Cushitic language. Some history that is mostly speculative holds that their ancestors spoke Beja, but lost the language through Arabization. There's no actual historical record of their speaking Beja or any other Cushitic language. They share many cultural practices with Bishaari people. Pathawi (talk) 11:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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message: am changing the Ababda's point of destination from "Jedda" (which links to an Australian movie) to "Jeddah" (a nearby Saudi Arabian city). I suppose Jiddah (an island in the Persian Gulf) is also a possiblity, but it seems unlikely. I haven't checked any references for this, but it looks like a simple typo...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SMesser (talk • contribs) 00:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jidda / Jedda/Jeddah 

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message: I've just removed two sets of edits. I wanted to explain my reasoning. A series of IP edits added sources, wording apparently from those sources, & replaced one of the photos. One of the sources was a colonial era administrative document, & should not be taken as supplanting information from contemporary scholarly research. The description of the photo was not supported by the source it was drawn from: The source does not identify the people in that photo as Ababdah. It is possible that there was good information removed with the bad, here: I haven't checked the Arabic-language Sudanese history, but I will. I also removed a set of edits by user Applodion which removed a few reliable sources with the assertion that the Ababdah are not an Arab tribe.
The wording of this article probably should not assert that the Ababdah are or are not an "Arab tribe". The linkage between ethnicity, language, land, & origin is a modern confluence from the European nationalist context. For more than a millennium, the idea of Arabness has not fit this model well. Rather than saying that the Ababdah are or are not Arabs, the article ought to reflect reliable sources & note both how Ababah understand & describe themselves, & what scholars have to say about their origins. We should only be removing sources if they're not reliable, not secondary, or not relevant. Pathawi (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You are making a very good point. My hard approach in fully reverting the IP was mainly related to the fact that they have been trying to allege that several Sudanese ethnic groups are "pure" Arabs (despite lots of academic evidence to the contrary), often misinterpreting sources and framing references outlining these tribes' regional descent as being just "some" or "minority" views.Could you perhaps also take a look at other articles edited by these IPs, such as Kawahla people and Danagla? Applodion (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Multiple of the Kawahla people edits were unsupported by the sources cited. I reverted to the prior version. Unfortunately, that version is also pretty bad. The article needs some work! The Danagla case looks more complicated to me. I will check it out tho. Pathawi (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Rollback: Arab or not…