Talk:Panic! at the Disco/Archive 2

message: Started10/30/2006 Hackajar 02:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

message: Hi,
Just to clarify that at the Reading  Festival, when Brendon was hit in the face with the bottle, the band actually a abandoned their first song and started with a different one (afraid I can't remember  which) . However I'm not too sure about the protocol for updating entries so I thought I'd post here...
The article cited also makes this error. I was there - I know! 
Wikiwikiwahwah 12:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i can also clarify this, as i was there too; i'll alter the article as appropriate. i can't provide a citation though - how to get around this, if the only source given is incorrect? 84.68.194.216 16:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use The YouTube citation on Brendon Urie page, as it also shows his bandmates abandoning him on stage as well Hackajar 06:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why has this been changed back to 'continued with the same song' when it had previously been corrected as above? 86.129.106.202 15:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know, I suggest fixing it and add citation from 2nd source to insure it stays put.Hackajar 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify Reading Festival entry 

message: I'd like to start by stating that I've provided both my opinion AND sources on this matter.  My opinion and source are different from each other.  I error on the side of sources (hence why I revert page back to emo, even though I personally don't think they are).  
In the Genre debate above, I have sited many sources of information to back the emo/pop punk/alt rock/electronica genre.
I do not have anything personal against HarryCane, I'm just confused where his motives are.  Instead of building out name space for P!AtD, he requests portions be delated from Wikipedia.  Instead of giving fair debates about genre issue, he decides for everyone and archives conversations about issue.  Yet he claims they are a group he enjoys and want to contribute to on wikipedia.  
I think in this debate over Genre people have just forgotten about the WP:AGF policy on wikipedia and take things to personally (myself included at times).
Die2k had set up article in a fair and balanced way last week.  With a generic genre, and a sentence about musical "fusion".  What was wrong with that?
Hackajar 06:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hackajar

message: To be quite frank, I don't even think Hackajar and I have different opinions on this subject (he at least has stated at one point or another that he does not consider the band emo). I must say, I don't get him most of the time anyway, but that's a different issue. However, he seems to have a personal aversion against me, because I told him earlier not to blank his talk page, he took it personally, and ever since out of principle does not comply with any of my edits. Therefore he dragged me into this mediation thing. I stated earlier that I have no intention to be caught up in this kindergarten this article has become anymore.
I neither have the time nor the motivation to search the internet for sources on the genre debate. I know there is an enormous amount of sources stating that Panic! at the Disco is in fact emo, I'm not denying that. My point is that, in recent times, the term emo was applied to any band that emerged from a certain scene, ranging from blink-182 to Something Corporate to Brand New, etc. Originally, emo (or "emotional hardcore") described a subgenre of hardcore punk in the 1980s and '90s. When the genre died down, Jimmy Eat World was the last band with emo influences (on their albums up to Static Prevails), but they got a new singer and changed their musical style. At that time (their album Clarity), original emo notions had almost entirely disappeared from their music, still they were considered an emo band by mainstream media. Every band that sounded similar to their new 'alienated' form of emo (or toured with them, for that matter) was automatically, and most importantly, incorrectly labelled "emo" — a common mistake made by many so-called professional music journalists, who in my opinion should know better. To this day MTV, AMG and other sources tag bands emo – despite obvious affiliations to genres other than hardcore punk – just because it sells. Nowadays, "emo" has become more of an insult (as in "You stupid emo!") and is more often than anything else used with negative connotations. Therefore, most bands (just like Panic! at the Disco) refuse the "emo" label, besides having little to do with the original, musical form of the genre (the basis for the term). Another common misconception is that "emo" does not stand for "emotional hardcore", but for emotional music in general. Concerning this, (actual emo band) Rites of Spring frontman Guy Picciotto said in an interview: "The reason I think it's so stupid is that - what, like the Bad Brains weren't emotional?" (from Emo (music)).
Next time I'm personally addressed, please leave a message on my talk page, as I only saw this by chance. Thank you. --HarryCane 14:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken HarryCane's name off the mediation. BaseballBaby 02:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: HarryCane

message: Hi. I've been working on this page for quite some time now, and have tried to work with the genre as much as possible to classify the band. To begin with, I believe the genre that I tried to stick with was pop punk/electronica/emo. I then changed it to Pop punk with electronica/emo influences. I believe the way I have it stated now fits the requirements. Alternative rock is definately the genre that Panic! and many other bands fit into, because it's not straight forward rock and roll. The influences category is derived from many veritable, and cited sources that I have come up with. I've seen many a times Panic! and Panic! critics cite them as an emo band. The closest I can come to, is the cover of a recent Blender magazine.  The quote from the Panic! interview says that "We've surpassed emo." Basically meaning that they have taken emo to a new level, if you read the interview itself. Pop punk is another closesly recognized term for the band, taken from there influences such as blink-182, and Fall Out Boy, among others. Electronica and Indie Rock come from the types of music influences that they have brought to the table with there recent album. I hope this has helped in the discussion, and I hope that the edits that I have made are appreciated. Thanks! --DieHard2k5 21:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Others

message: I've changed the infobox back to the more current Template:Infobox musical artist, since there's an ongoing process to convert most band/artist pages to this infobox. Besides, it's a whole hell of a lot better looking and not as bland as the old one. ;) --CJ Marsicano 02:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox musical artist 

message: Someone at my school keeps vandalising the article. Please stop this.
No. 74.130.206.2 22:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism