Talk:Larry Caldwell

message: I think it´s very contradictory "Quality Science Education" and Creationism.  As if those people were really interested in science...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.179.65.4 (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Quality Science Education for All]] ''is'' [[Larry Caldwell]] 

message: QSEA's website appears to have been 'domain parked' and it doesn't show up on the IRS's list of charities. Can anybody confirm if it still exists? For that matter, do we actually have a WP:RS that it was ever a formal IRS-sanctioned non-profit? HrafnTalkStalk 17:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does QSEA still exist? 

message: I'm willing to believe that Sandefur is reliable, but I can't find any evidence of it - what are his qualifications? PZ Myers's blog is, to my mind, OK being as he's a bio professor. But I can't find any sense of who Sandefur is, which has me very hesitant about his reliability. Similarly, though TPT looks good, it's still, as far as I can tell, a self-published blog. So it doesn't really add reputability either. I'm sorry to be hard-nosed about this, but sourcing is a huge issue for BLPs, and on the face of it, this source doesn't look like it meets our policy. Can someone explain how it does? Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I stated in the article, Sandefur is a lawyer with the Pacific Legal Foundation (and lead attorney of its Economic Liberty Project). He is also contributing editor of Liberty magazine. He is the author of Cornerstone of Liberty: Property Rights in 21st-century America. This would make him a more authoritative source on legal matters than Myers. Last I heard, PT was accepted as a RS, but cannot point to a specific thread confirming a consensus on this. HrafnTalkStalk 18:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Panda's thumb/Sandefur

message: Look, I agree wholeheartedly with you that intelligent design is a crock and has no place in any respectable presentation of science. No problem there. But this is an article on Larry Caldwell, not on intelligent design, and it shouldn't be turned into a forum for that debate. I'm perfectly happy to see criticism of Caldwell incorporated. But the Kitzmiller v. Dover case didn't even involve Caldwell, and shouldn't be brought in here any more than creationism should be mentioned in any article that makes a statement about evolution. Let's stay focused on the topic of the article. Phil Sandifer (talk) 07:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This is not an ID/Creationism article

message: I have seen the phrase "scientific weaknesses of evolution" frequently used in connection with the Academic Freedom bills (e.g. by the DI here). Additionally, its concept fits well with Critical Analysis of Evolution. The earliest mention I can find of it is here in 1988, while the IDM was still coalescing, long before they came up with Teach the Controversy. I therefore would disagree with linking Caldwell's use of the idea to TtC specifically, without a RS making the connection. Linking the phrase to the Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns‎ generally would however be legitimate. HrafnTalkStalk 03:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "scientific weaknesses of evolution" & [[Teach the Controversy]] 

message: Per WP:MERGE#Merging, Quality Science Education for All is a "duplicate"/WP:CFORK of this page in that (as Duncharris stated in #Quality Science Education for All is Larry Caldwell above) "Quality Science Education for All is Larry Caldwell, just as Creation Science Evangelism is Kent Hovind". Further, there is no RS information that QSEA ever had a formal existence as the "non-profit creationist foundation" that its article claims it to be, and the three lawsuits discussed in that article were all in the names of the Caldwells as individuals. There would therefore seem to be no reason to have separate articles. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your proposal here. Aunt Entropy (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree with the proposal. The topics are significant enough to warrant their own articles. Odd nature (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ON: please provide factual substantiation that (i) QSEA even exists in any formal sense & (ii) that it has received any non trivial coverage (let alone coverage that distinguishes QSEA from Caldwell in any way). Your unsubstantiated claim that "the topics are significant enough to warrant their own articles" has no weight whatsoever. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: State of California Corporation Listing for QSEA I think you owe us an apology for your difficult tone and rudeness at the other article, frankly. Odd nature (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One year after I originally asked the question, "suspended" status & no indication that it was a "non-profit" as claimed. No, I don't think I will apologise. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I would also note that you have failed to even attempt to address my second point: "(ii) that it has received any non trivial coverage (let alone coverage that distinguishes QSEA from Caldwell in any way)." (see also Talk:Quality Science Education for All#What the cited sources say about QSEA) HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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