Talk:École polytechnique

message: Hello people, this is to inform you that the article dedicated to SUPAERO has been placed into the peer review thread. I invite you to take a peek at it and say what you think of it. Thanks! Flambe 04:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecoles d'Application 

message: Hi guys. For a start, I have no doubt X is a great university and probably the most selective in France. But claiming to be among the global top 10 in THES is untrue. In fact, X is placed 28th overall, 31st in natural sciences and 34th for technology. It is amongst the top 10 for staff/ student ratio. See: http://www.fc.ethz.ch/facts/ir/rankings/thes_ranking/THES_World_University_Rankings_2007.pdf/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.67.230.56 (talk) 09:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: THES Ranking

message: The box, French Science, that was just added to this page, seems to me to be quite out of place. The École Polytechnique is part of many different categories, with science being just one of them. We could just as well put boxes for French Military, French Engineering, etc. Even worse, it is not clear what the reader is supposed to make of this box, as the École Polytechnique does not even appear in it! -- MyPOV (talk) 15:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objection, I'm removing the box.--MyPOV (talk) 08:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Science? 

message: I beleive this is the school where the second montreal shooting took place. They even have a movie about it.Androo123 (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1989 shooting 

message: The following is an unsourced quote from the article:
"Finally, some foreign students come for a single year from institutions such as MIT and IST."
As far as I understand, any foreign student already enrolled at another institution can apply  and there is no special exchange programme for student from IST (I tried to search for it, there is for MIT . The only reference I found from IST is this page (in Portuguese)  which redirects students to apply through the general procedures available to students from all other universities). As such, I'm not sure why this particular institution has been mentioned. The French version of this article doesn't mention anything about it either. Universalcosmos (talk) 02:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IST 

message: Applied Arts & Sciences School? I am unsure if French "polytechnique" equates with English "polytechnic", nor am I sure such a direct translation applies. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 08:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation? 

message: For some time now, there have been edits going back and forth between describing the school as an “engineering school” or a “scientific school”.
The school describes itself as an engineering school. See for instance its English language page entitled The Ecole Polytechnique  (retrieved 2010-03-23) where it says “For over 200 years, École Polytechnique has been a leader among the French engineering grandes écoles.”
Furthermore, the school's undergraduate degree is an engineering degree. See for instance its English language page entitled Curriculum and Programs  (retrieved 2010-03-23) where it describes its three programs: an engineering program, a Master's program, and a doctoral program.
On this basis, it seems that the clearest and fairest primary identification of the school is that of an engineering school. If one wants to make clear that the engineering degree is a highly science-oriented degree, or if one wants to comment on the degrees offered at the Master's level, which may be primarily scientific, or if one wants to discuss the doctoral research that takes place at the school, there is certainly room to do so in the article.
MyPOV (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop editing this page. Poppy (talk) 09:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please help us understand in what way the school's own English language pages should not be dispositive on this matter. --MyPOV (talk) 22:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should stop arguing about the English in use on "École Polytechnique" and try to focus on independent secondary sources, if possible in English. It is somehow funny that this small school is ranked (among others) by the Times Higher Education within the "World University Ranking". --Anneyh (talk) 19:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

text: The website is still not perfect but the vocabulary was adjusted to "educational and research establishment". --Anneyh (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice to see that Polytechnique is doing a better job of explaining their programs. MyPOV (talk) 05:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  “engineering school” or “scientific school”? 

message: This statement appeared in the third paragraph of the article, however it is unsupported by the evidence.
The reference cited to support the statement about MIT is: http://www-math.mit.edu/academics/undergrad/general/international/ecole.html. This is the URL of a page at the MIT Mathematics Department, describing an exchange program between the École Polytechnique and universities in North America. A page such as this cannot be taken as a statement of the position of MIT as an institution as a whole. More accurate than “MIT considers” would be the statement “someone at MIT considers”. Furthermore, the page referenced does not fairly describe the École Polytechnique as being the best scientific establishment in France. Rather, it states: “École Polytechnique… is the most prestigious institution in Science and Engineering in France”. This is a statement about reputation of the École Polytechnique, not a judgment of its underlying quality.
The Columbia statement was supported by the following reference: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/alliance/partner.html. While the page cited is hosted by Columbia, the content is provided by the Alliance Program, which is a joint venture of four institutions of higher eduction, of which Columbia and the École Polytechnique are two. Similarly to the MIT case, above, this cannot be read as a definitive institutional position held by Columbia University regarding the quality of the École Polytechnique. Furthermore, the statements on the page cannot be read as stating that the École Polytechnique the best scientific establishment in France. They refer to reputation (“ the most prestigious educational establishment in France”, “Ecole Polytechnique has been regularly ranked at the top of undergraduate and graduate programs in Science and Technology among the French Grandes Ecoles”), and even then the statements are limited to a comparison with other educational establishments and grandes écoles, and do not compare the École Polytechnique to other “scientific establishments” (such as the CNRS, INRA, the CEA, etc.) generally.
I am therefore removing this statement.
--MyPOV (talk) 09:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  “MIT and Columbia consider École Polytechnique the best scientific establishment in France” 

message: I find the outline of other higher education much clearer. I propose the following structure:
# History
# Campuses (Paris then Palaiseau, the library)
# Organization (military status etc)
# Academic profile (Admission, Ranking etc.)
# Student life
# Notable alumni and academics
What would you think? --Anneyh (talk) 17:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems reaonsable to me, but I am curious why this particular ordering? Is it your opinion that this reflects the relative importance of the subjects? Or, as I gather from your remark, is this a standard outline that you've seen for other institutions? MyPOV (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As you may have seen from my contributions, I"m currently working on another institution. I actually had a look at a few more and tried to compile an outline. The outlines of the institutions I had a look at were all slightly different. The history section always came up first which is also the case in many articles ( on other topics).--Anneyh (talk) 05:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, the one you mention looks good to me. I'll be happy to help. MyPOV (talk) 04:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I managed to carry out the necessary changes. I also adapted the illustrations. Now the text needs extensions... --Anneyh (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article outline 

message: So I noticed that the link referenced in the history section to the Polytechnique's website is broken. Since this is the only link referenced in that section, it might be pretty important to fix. Here's a new link to the history section on the Polytechnique's website, although this page doesn't have all the information put on our article's section: http://www.polytechnique.edu/home/about-ecole-polytechnique/history-and-heritage/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.114.142 (talk) 23:47, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section link broken 

message: states "they range from the immensely selective and prestigious École Polytechnique" is that good enough a source to remove the "by some"? If not, there need to be an indication of who these "some" are and who are the "others" and what these think. --Anneyh (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "By some" is justified by the present citations: the existence of these citations demonstrates that some people consider Polytechnique to be the most prestigious educational establishment in France. "By many" or "by most" is a much greater hurdle to overcome, and there would have to be some pretty good evidence to back it up. The book cited above indicates that Polytechnique is "immensely selective and prestigious". I think we can all agree to that. But "the most prestigious"? Polytechnique is renowned for one thing: its undergraduate/masters level Polytechnic Engineer program, which is, indeed, extremely prestigious and popularly considered the top program to attend, if you can get in. But it is not known for the social sciences (Sciences Po is, I think, the "most prestigious" in this area in France). It is not the top for graduating people who go on to distinguished research careers as professors (the Ecole Normale is more prestigious in this area). It has no law school, no medical school, no business school. Although it has some excellent laboratories, it is not France's leader for peer-reviewed academic publications, or as a place for people internationally to come and pursue doctoral study (some public universities such as Paris VII, Strasbourg, UPMC, etc., are much more prestigious by this measure). MyPOV (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the word "most" should be taken out. In principle, I would replace the present web citations by the book one. --Anneyh (talk) 07:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, the Columbia link is broken. The authorship of the MIT link is unclear -- someone in the MIT Mathematics department. So the book is definitely a better citation. MyPOV (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made the change of text and reference. I also moved the sentence on alumni into the noted people section. --Anneyh (talk) 09:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nice. MyPOV (talk) 09:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking section 

message: It is important to disambiguate in the title.
Bloomberg Businessweek, Jean-Paul Herteman
Bloomberg Businessweek got mistaken : Jean-Paul Herteman attended Ecole polytechnique in France and not in Montreal.
That is why I proposed to move Ecole Polytechnique (in addition a spelling mistake) towards Ecole polytechnique (France), as it is on the French Wikipedia, or Ecole Polytechnique ---> Ecole polytechnique (EP, Palaiseau), or whatever... the important thing being to DISAMBIGUATE...
. There are other Ecoles polytechniques in Lausanne, in Zürich, etc... Euroflux (talk) 10:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion between Ecole polytechnique (France) and Ecole polytechnique de Montreal~made by Bloomberg Businessweek 

message: Both QS and Times ranking methods are not considered professional. The one which does, is the Chinese ARWU which is done by recognized academic institution and use methods which give weight to objective measures only while the two in this article are based on opinions of graduates..--Gilisa (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I don't really understand this cleanup tag here. Is this article still biased or imbalanced in some way? Jarble (talk) 02:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article "unbalanced?" 

message: Much of this article is promotional in tone, and much has evidently been written by French-speakers of limited ability in English. Grammar errors abound. I have fixed some of these problems, and removed some extremely substandard text, but much remains that is inadequate. A native English speaker with the time and energy to wade through it all really needs to severely edit this article if it is to even approach encyclopaedic standards. 46.233.77.228 (talk) 07:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severe deficiencies