Talk:Final Fantasy (video game)/Archive 1

message: I question the edits made by 259 in the "Story" section. While the sequence you describe was probably the most common way to progress through the game, it is by no means necessary, and that's why I fudged a lot of those details. One could get the Airship and afterwards undergo transformation before defeating the Four Fiends in any order. Thunderbunny 05:13, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Questioning edits

message: Was it the MSX2 version or NES, I remember reading on the Square Co. page that the MSX2 was first but on here it's saying the NES version was first, it makes more sense that the MSX2 version was first since Square had a history of making games for PC, not to mention that the NES version was more poupular so they assumed that one was first...--FlareNUKE 23:58, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which was released first?! 

message: What's the deal with the weird screenshot of the light warriors fighting the Lich?  Unless it's possible in the Japanese version for a pc to show its death graphic while still having HP, this seems like a doctored or bugged image.  Also odd: the Knight has, at most, slightly more than 100 hp, since he isn't bending over.  Since this is presumably a screen shot from the final dungeon of the game, it seems rather odd for the warrior to such a freakishly small amount of hp.  Can anyone explain what's up with the image?  If not, I'm just going to replace it.
:Agreed, that shot shouldn't be possible, it must have been either doctored or played by someone using cheat devices. Replacement is recommended. LifeMega 21:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Also, we might want to address a previous comment and see about replacing it with an English screenshot. – Seancdaug 07:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird screen shot 

message: There is a level-up location that is available extremely early in the game. This area is accessible once you can enter Pravokia.  You can even access it before beating the pirates, although you might need their ship into Elfland in order to buy at least one Silver sword and one Lv 3-4 spell.
Should we include the following in the article?
Recommended equipment:
Definitely the silver Sword for everyone that can wield it, one CABIN or TENT, FIR2, FAST, and CUR2 and the best armor you can afford. 
HARM2 is optional since it will not be 100% effective. 
Once you have all this, head back to Pravokia.  From there, on the world map, go a little south to find the path that goes inmediately east.  After about 40secs walking, you will come accross a white mountain right in the middle of the land, with the option of going north and south-east i believe.  Go north.  All the way.  After about 1-2 minutes of walking you will reach the very northernmost tip of the continent, it looks like a hand pointing north, displaying the "1" sign. The finger is two tiles wide. You will know you are in the right place because 2-4 tiles north you can see the southernmost part of the north continent.   
Now, you will notice there is a 2 x 2 forest in the very tip of the continent (hand). Walk into it. Once you draw a fight, here is what you can expect:
1-3 ZOMBULLS   (likely 2, about 30% of the time)
1-4 GIANTS          (likely 3, about 45% of the time)
5-8 FROSTWOLF (likely 5, about 20% of the time) 
1 TREX                  (1, about 5% of the time)
Depending on your level, you might want to only fight ZOMBULLS to begin with. They are by far the most profitable option, and the weakest, and you can harm them with your mages (They are weak against HARM and FIR2). The FROSTWOLF will inflict heavy damage to the party with their frost spell, so run inmediately.  GIANTS & REX will be very tough, since at the start they can kill mages with one blow.  
Once the fight is over, you will probably neef to head back to the INN in Pravokia.  Use the tent/cabin you bought for a quick fix, and you only have 1-2 party members surviving, watch out for the ghouls on the way back that have paralyzing hits. While they don't do much damage, the fact that you are down in numbers and they come in packs, can make a suprised battle your last one; since they can paralyze your surviving group in one round. Dragonlord kfb 18:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a strategy guide. Unless this had some other significance, I don't recommend including it in the article. ~ Hibana 22:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: While it is a significant strategy, that's all that it is. To fit it into the article, we would either have to go into excessive detail on random encounters, excessive detail on leveling up, or incorporate a list of bugs/strategies. The first two are definitely not notable enough to include, and the third would probably get tagged . It's one of those things that probably fits better in the wikia. Anomie 22:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret Location 

message: If you check the history, we recently had some vandalism from "69.114.140.217"
I replaced his vandalism (Calling us all nerds) with the last good version of the site.
I think we should get a final, verifyable version of the info, and get this topic locked.
Caikun 23:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure what you mean, as an article like this will always need to be improved or updated occassionally. Having to revert one random instance of vandalism shouldn't really warrant page protection, as it's an ongoing, inevitable fight. ~ Hibana 00:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Seems there are a whole lot of 'citation needed' tags here, and I'm wondering why. Wouldn't the games themselves (eg. the MSX2 version) be considered the source? DanPMK 00:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Wasn't the Lefeinish civilization inspired to some degree by Laputa: Castle in the Sky? At least in the GBA Dawn of Souls remake, the similitudes are remarkable, right down to the robots, levistone, and such. Jaimeastorga2000 13:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laputa 

message: "Each Light Warrior has eight inventory slots, with four to hold weapons and four to hold armor."
Really? Four weapons? What is that, swordchuks or something?
Gene S. Poole 01:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Each one can carry four different weapons and four different types of armor. Some weapons have spells tied to them that when used in battle, will activate their spells. PsychicKid1 13:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Customization 

message: There is no need to make a staff list without commentaries or additional context, right? In the Notable Staff Members List, I added the word "debut" on the names as well. Do you know if anything for this is good or bad for adding the staff list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjones23 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Staff List 

message: D&D is mentioned in the customization section, but should there be a seperate section on the numerous similarities between FF and D&D?  Such as the spell casting system, certain monsters that were taken directly from D&D (Mindflayer, Sahagin, Otyugh, etc.), the setup on how all actions are declared before resolving the turn of battle, the dilineation between what equipment can be equipped by what class, the very classes themselves, etc... --Daedalus 17:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy vs. Dungeons and Dragons 

message: This article previously shifted between the NES and alternate versions a bit haphazardly.  I tried to make it so that it uses the NES terms by default with alternate localizations in parens for consistency; should be clearer which one is which that way.  While a decent argument can be made that another version should be picked as "canonical," considering that new versions keep coming out and tend to have their own articles, I think that the NES one is probably the safest bet.  Besides, that's how most of the references were already.
Also, it's an old discussion, but it still applies: can we get a new screenshot that isn't weird for the Japanese version? SnowFire 02:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There you go. Sorry for the three dead guys, I had to use a save from a Solo BM challenge quest. I also replaced the non-NES image in the Plot section. --Anomie 00:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I revised some of the Gameplay and Plot sections to use the NES names. I have confirmed all my changes against the actual NES game. Changes are:
* Thief does not go early during combat, it's actually completely random. If this is different in a remake, say so in a future edit.
* All armor is in one of the 4 types. Armor, robes/shirts, and bracelets are all "Armor", the ProCape is a shield, the Ribbon is a helmet, and the ProRing is a gauntlet. If this is different in a remake, say so in a future edit.
* "Warriors of Light" are always called "Light Warriors".
* "Lefeinish", not "Lufenians".
* The Sky Castle is always called the "Floating Castle".
* I could not find any timespan given for the darkening of the Earth and Fire Crystals, although the original wording sounded wrong (wind 400 years ago, water 200 years after, earth & fire 200 years after that, which leaves no time for prophesies and such). I changed it to correspond to what the 12 Sages say about it.
* "Mount Deurgar" is mentioned by two people: an elf in Elfland's castle calls it "the Cave of Dwarf", and Jim the Dwarf in Melmond calls it the "Dwarf Village".
* "Cavern of Earth" is "Earth Cave", according to various citizens of Melmond.
* "Citadel of Trials" is "Castle of Ordeal" according to the dragons.
* Somehow the legend of the Light Warriors lives on even after they change the past. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anomie (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent shifts. 

message: There appears to have been a compilation of two games on Famicom. I found a commercial: .
:Yes, it is indicated in the first paragraph of the article. Kariteh 20:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy I-II 

message: The link is broken. (Feel free to remove this comment when it's fixed.) - JustAUser 84.182.93.154 19:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiquote 

message: why not? 213.100.71.136 10:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  exelent article 

message: Am I missing the discussion on this move? This is the last I can find on the issue, and the consensus there is "Final Fantasy (video game)".
Anomie 17:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there doesn't appear to have been any discussion of this before it happened.  I've re-moved the page and changed all the new "Final Fantasy I" wikilinks back to "Final Fantasy (video game)". -TPIRFanSteve 03:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Final Fantasy (video game)" versus "Final Fantasy I" 

message: From the article: "Square Enix plans to release this version of the game for North American mobile phones sometime in 2006." Did this release happen? Maybe someone should update that bit. I'm not familiar with North American cell phone games myself... Davhorn 06:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Outdated info

message: Some of the names don't even make sense. Why are we still referring to things in the plot section with the NES English terms? They tend to be far from the Japanese original... 208.101.136.230 17:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the English wikipedia. Japanese one is next door. Kariteh 18:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The article is structured such that it discusses the original English version first, then the differences introduced in the many remakes. And since we do that, that version's names are the obvious ones to use. Anomie 18:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are we STILL using that outdated translation? 

message: I don't believe that the Playstation remake had "bookended" CG cut scenes, as the PSP version includes everything from all versions but there was no ending CG rendered cut-scene, only one for the beginning.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.142.137 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playstation remake inaccuracy? 

message: Under Customization:
:In addition to weapons, there are four types of armor: Armor (Cuirasses, Robes, Bracelets), Helmets, Gauntlets, and Shields.
Under WonderSwan Color:
:Further, in the original game, not only did each character have their own armor and weapon inventory, each was fixed to storing only 4 of each category per character. This meant that as opposed to the first game, one could now actually equip all 5 different armor types, as well as collect every single armor and weapon in the game without needing to drop or sell anything.
It's obviously not consistent enough, but I'm not sure what number should actually be said.  Thus, I'm leaving it to the experts.
AspiringSquire 00:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can confirm that in the original NES version there are only the four types described. No idea what that might be saying about the WSC version. Anomie 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent number of armor types 

message: The words of concern are those in bold.
:With Sarda's Rod, the Warriors venture deeper into the Earth Cave and destroy the Earth fiend, Lich, who is responsible for the earth's decay. The Light Warriors then [...] defeat the Fire fiend, Kary (Marilith). [...] After proving their courage [...], the King of the dragons, Bahamut, promotes each light-warrior. [...] the Warriors go to the Sunken Shrine to defeat the Water fiend, Kraken. [...] The Lefeinish give the Light Warriors access to the Floating Castle (Sky Castle) that Tiamat, the Wind fiend, has taken over. With the four fiends defeated and the Orbs restored, the Warriors find that their quest is not yet over: [...] the Warriors discover that the four fiends sent Garland (now the archdemon Chaos) back in time and he sent the fiends to the future to do so, creating a time loop by which he could live forever.
Shouldn't every mention of a Fiend, Four Fiends, and Light Warrior be capitalized (and the latter without a dash)?  Also, I'm not sure if it is appropriate to capitalize King unless the whole phrase is treated similarly: King of the Dragons (or perhaps king of the dragons).  If no one objects, I may just go ahead with these changes.
AspiringSquire 00:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for "the four Fiends", I don't object. Anomie 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that settles everything except for "King of the dragons"; the question is whether the title is a proper noun ("King of the Dragons") or not (all lowercase). AspiringSquire 05:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of the relevant lines of dialog from the NES version, he is referred to twice as "the King of the Dragons" and once as "the Dragon King". So I say "King of the Dragons". Anomie 12:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of proper nouns in the story 

message: There's this written in one of the images' boxes: "A battle against a Soul of Chaos boss in the GBA version. This one is Shinryuu from Final Fantasy V" - what exactly is a 'Soul of Chaos'? I'm interested in such a concept since Shinryuu was immensely strong and no information on it was given in the game but I never heard of a 'Soul of Chaos'. -- Mentifisto 06:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section says Main article: Rereleases of Final Fantasy I and II#Game Boy Advance, did you look there? Anomie⚔ 12:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yeah, I missed it. Thanks. -- Mentifisto 00:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soul of Chaos 

message: There is already an article for Compilations of Final Fantasy I and II.  Since the DS remakes of FF III and IV warrant their own articles, there is enough precedent and information in this article to warrant a new article such as "Remakes" or "Rereleases of Final Fantasy I" for the game's FIVE new formats (not even including the original NA localization).  --Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 18:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Rereleases to new article 

message: Just noting that  has some interesting details about the development of FF1. Kariteh (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development section