Category talk:Topics in popular culture/Archive 1

message: Should musical groups and pieces that are referenced in popular culture (Rush in popular culture, The Planets in popular culture, etc.) be seperated into a sub-category for connvinence? Or perhaps more generally, should "In popular culture" be given a larger number of sub-categories? 66.24.236.62 23:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say yes to the music groups and pieces. Newly added: The Beatles' influence on popular culture. Pavel Vozenilek 11:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Beatles I can see, as they geniunely had a real impact on popular culture. Rush? The Planets? (Who the heck are even The Planets?) Most of these just need a good deleting, as they are substandard for even articles of this type. DreamGuy 22:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, Holst... boy that's a screwed up title... and not a very good article. Just trivia. DreamGuy 22:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music in popular culture 

message: Most of these items are hardly encyclopedia articles but ad hoc unsystematic lists of american tv and film grabs - is anyone going to do an overview article  or even attempt to take it out of  some of the most problematic set of articles in wikipedia?  featured list? hardly. SatuSuro 02:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem isn't that featured articles on the topics can't be made (and some have) it's just that the quality of editor most interested in this stuff is some 12 year old (or adult with like skills) who has no business editing an encyclopedia and who feels like whatever bit of disconnected trivia he can come up with should be listed. Until the good editors outnumber the bad ones and can smack down the bad ones, the best we can do is to move the nonsense off into another article. DreamGuy 22:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists or articles

message: I question the legitimacy and effectiveness of the entire :Category:In popular culture and related subcats and articles contained therein. Having read the rationale above for the existence of this cat and related articles I think this The Wrong Way to go about removing uncyclopedic content, because these cats legitimise the existence of trivia, and are currently creating a string of Cfd debates. The creation and existence of this cat is verging on WP:Point.
Popular culture is seen as different to High culture. High culture is seen as involving literature, art and film, and popular culture is seen as pop music, fashion, comics and - again - film. So there is a blurry distinction in the very naming of the cats and articles, opening up potential disputes. With Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_August_1#Category:Wolves_in_popular_culture there is the question that does a mention of a wolf in one particular film constitute pop culture or high culture. Is Teen Wolf considered pop culture, while The Company of Wolves is considered high culture - and what about Dances with Wolves - would that appear in both categories? And in this section - Popular culture#Contested definitions of Popular culture - there is revealed some dispute about the very definitions of pop culture, thus revealing that the cats are already based on dispute and contention. Also, I dont see a :Category:In high culture which might indicate a systemic bias.
This entire project is unstable, unsound and uncyclopedic. I propose that rather than the piecemeal debates and deletions that are currently taking place, that we rid Wikipedia of them all in one go. I am suggesting that this main cat, all the subcats and all the articles contained inside that contain the title "in popular culture" be proposed for removal. SilkTork 14:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Each "in popular culture" article needs to be judged on its own terms.  Albinism in popular culture, for example, is a fairly stand-up article.  Please also keep in mind that popular culture is a legitimate field of academic study.  Ichormosquito 14:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to delete all "In popular culture" cats and articles 

message: This category should really only contain articles that end with "in popular culture" "in fiction" or start with "Cultural depections of", or some variation of those. There are many things in this category that would fit much better in :Category:Popular culture or one of it's subcategories. --NickPenguin(contribs) 03:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Category cleanup needed