Talk:Civil partnership in the United Kingdom

message: From 1 May 2009, IVF, surrogacy and other parentage rights and even access rights will be granted to all couples regardless of sexual orientation, marital or relationship status or gender of the partners.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point?  If any... 86.165.34.60 (talk) 13:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parentage legislation 

message: This article is extremely limited, barely saying anything other than the mechanics of the legislation. It ought to have sections on the subsequent impact on society (approval rates amongst the population/proportion of civil-partnered couples remaining together etc. etc.) and the attitude to civil partnerships from those favouring equal marriage and/or equal partnership, including political parties (Lib Dems for the former, Greens for both). Salopian (talk) 06:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some basic statistics relating to the uptake of Civil Partnerships in British Consulates - also indicating the Consulates which currently will perform CP ceremonies. Re the impact on society, the Lillian Ladele case and the opening up of religious venues for CP ceremonies (which is largely misunderstood) could be added too.
Paul Jeffrey Thompson 09:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: A section describing the differences between CP and traditional marriage would be useful.  As someone above said, the article hints at there being some differences but doesn't really say what.  From what I can gather there are only a few differences - 1. it isn't called marriage, 2. it is only available to people of the same sex, 3. it can't be performed in a place of worship (unless that has now changed) and 4. the issue about hereditary titles which isn't really of much importance.  Is that it?  How does this compare to CPs in other countries?  Most don't allow for custody of children and many have limits on insurance rights and inheritance.  A proper comparison with traditional marriage and between different countries is needed.  Plus how amazing is it that it will be a Conservative government who finally open marriage to everybody?  Just 20 years ago they didn't even consider gay people to be normal yet they've come so far since (shame about the economic mess though).--79.34.11.198 (talk) 22:49, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences? 

message: 1. Civil partnerships are not recognised anywhere else in the world.  This can cause major problems with immigration and holidays.  Even countries which have same-sex marriage or civil unions do not recognise British civil partnerships, because they are not the same.  Marriage, on the other hand, is recognised universally.
2. Pension differences, which actually continue an inequality in the law that already existed.  If a married person dies, their spouse is entitled to a higher amount from their pension if they are a widow than if they are a widower.  If a person in a civil partnership dies, their partner is treated as a married man and receives the lower amount, regardless of their actual gender.
3. By calling it "civil partnership" instead of "marriage", this means that people in a civil partnership have to out themselves as LGBT every time they so much as tick a box on a form which lists civil partnership separately from marriage.  We would not ask people to identify on such forms if they were in a mixed-race or mixed-faith relationship.
4. A marriage can be performed in a house of worship and be legally binding.  A civil partnership is purely civil, and is not permitted to contain any religious content.  And yes, there are several religions which have openly lobbied for the ability to marry same-sex couples, namely Reform Judaism, Liberal Judaism, Quakerism (the Society of Friends), and Unitarianism.
5. There is no appropriate title for a woman in a civil partnership: neither "Miss" nor "Mrs" apply.  "Ms" is still not used all that much, and many organisations simply do not recognise it as an option (trust me, I've been called "Mrs" or "Miss" more times than I've been called "Ms", even though I make a point of insisting that my title is "Ms".  This is actually a problem for all women who are neither single nor married, for instance if they are living with their partner, or any woman who does not wish to reveal her marital status in her title).
6.  Language is also lacking in other areas: there is no verb analagous to "marry", so you can't say "I got civil-partnered last year".  "Civil partner" is too clunky for everyday use (I have never encountered a single person who refers to their partner in that way), and few people accept the terms "husband", "wife" or "spouse" for same-sex couples.  This reflects a continuing social inequality where civil partnerships are seen as being inferior to marriage.
Elettaria (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, I seem to recall that, in a case specific perhaps to Elton John's partner, courtesy titles are not extended to same-sex partners of ... http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/20/sbt.01.html --j⚛e deckertalk 18:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real differences 

message: Gibraltar has recently legalised a civil partnership bill which has been given Royal Assent. I was wondering if the wording in the Overseas Territories section of the article should therefore be changed? Specifically when it says "none of the overse... etc." which is now incorrect Bezuidenhout (talk) 14:37, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overseas territories (specifically Gibraltar) 

message: I came to this article looking to see if the number of couples opting for CP was in decline following the equalisation of the marriage laws in England & Wales, but as yet there seems to be no information about that. It would be interesting to know if CP is now effectively moribund - are there any figures available anywhere?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.156.255.22 (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of same-sex marriage legislation on the take-up of civil partnerships 

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