Talk:Mackem

message: The form claes meaning clothes is not unique to Sunderland it being also found in Ulster-Scots(and therefore probably scottish-Scots as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.197.55 (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Claes

message: I'm from the south of Sunderland and nobody says 'summik', everybody says 'summit'. So that just isn't true. You may as well state that most people are gay because the small sample you tried are gay, or everyone wets the bed because you did.
:Spot on!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.100.159.212 (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accent 

message: Thought I'd mention this - there's a category, Category: Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear, and so far I'm the only one in it. This can't be right (I live in Berlin as it is), so Geordies and Mackems, please add yourself to it. ProhibitOnions 23:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear 

message: The main article is incorrect in saying that:
:School - (Geordie: rhymes with Cool and Rule), (Mackem: split into two syllables, and a short e sound (as in wet) is added after the oo sound to :emphasise the L, i.e. skoo-ell). Note: This is also the case for words ending in -eul such as a 'Cruel' and 'fuel' which are turned into croo-:el and few-el, although 'vowel-adding' in this way is also a component of Geordie ('school' becoming 'sch-yew-l', &c). This 'extra syllable' :occurs in other words spoken in a Mackem dialect, ie. Film becomes "fill-im". 
The mackem versions are actually pronounced "scew-el", "crew-el", "rew-el" etc.
It is not only Mackems who pronounce "Film" as "fill-im". This is a north-east wide pronunciation, i.e. it is the same in Northumberland, Tyne + Wear, and Durham
Geordies also use this
:I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to make here? 'crew-el' to me looks like it would be pronounced exactly like 'croo-el'...? --Oolong 15:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of "oo" sound, and Film 

message: I've added an article for 'Wearside' if anyone fancies a gander, it's canny basic right now so if people can help me to expand it. Gazh 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wearside 

message: Help me build it. Gazh 12:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Famous Mackems List

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of October 11, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: See the peer review for more info.
:2. Factually accurate?: Ref 1 needs more information. "The term could also be a reference..." is still unreferenced.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Doesn't even talk that much about the rivalry between them and the Geordies. That needs a whole section of info.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Yes.
:5. Article stability? Yes.
:6. Images?: Clarify why the image of the bridge is important in the caption, explain what it has to Mackems.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated.  If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a Good article reassessment.  Thank you for your work so far. 
— T Rex | talk 03:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: Hello I would like to address a concern here, I have noticed that Heather Mills is in the list of famous mackems. Now we all know she's from Washington, however on one of her ranting GMTV interviews she claimed she was a geordie, so should we shift this from the page or not? The sunder king 15:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The lines are vague up there anyway, if she wants to claim Geordie she should probably be removed from the list. Gazh (talk) 07:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Heather Mills]] 

message: I'd been adding bits and pieces for a while now and was wondering if it needs organising a bit better? Maybe in format where the word comes first then the explanation comes after, and  maybe in alphabetical order? I'm not entirely sure how to do this, but i will continue to add things as they come into mind, cheers. 167.1.176.4 (talk) 12:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialect words list 

message: This is a common term used in horse racing where a fence is damaged or, due to the low position of the sun for example, otherwise considered too hazardous to jump and is instead "dolled off" so that the jockeys do not have to attempt it. Easy to see how this could be applied to school or any other activity one was keen to avoid. Keristrasza (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dolling Off

message: A southerner who came to Sunderland in 1970 to study, I never heard the term Mackem until I started work in Newcastle in 1973 when the Geordies would refer to people from Sunderland as "the mackems and tackems". It was many years later I recall when "Mackems" suddenly came into popular currency.
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned (as far as I can see) that Mackems, like Cockneys, drop their "h"s whereas Geordies normally don't.
84.13.79.1 (talk) 15:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mackem debate and unaspirated "h"s 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: *Wee or whee for who: the Netherlandish "wie" also means who and is pronounced more or less the same.
*Wuh or wa for we: the Netherlandisch "we" also means we and is pronounced roughly the same; Netherlandish "we" is the unstressed form of "wij", a word originally pronounced like the English we.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amand Keultjes (talk • contribs) 10:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation differences and dialect words: resemblance to the Netherlandish ("Dutch") language 

message: Isn't the Great Vowel Shift responsible for the mack and tack pronunciations of "make" and "take"? After all, a couple of centuries ago those were pronounced  and  (I'm not sure about the final schwa) in English. They could've been shortened to  and  and fail to shift to  or something similar because of their shortness. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Vowel Shift 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Mackem's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Beal":
From Smoggie: 
From Yorkshire dialect: Joan C. Beal, An Introduction to Regional Englishes, Edinburgh University Press, 2010, pp. 95–99
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Mackem]] 

message: I note that throughout this article there is unquestioning acceptance of the term Geordie being specific to Newcastle. As far as my research can tell me the origins of the term have many theories but none of them proven. They are just theories. How and when the natives of Newcastle 'hijacked' the word I don't know but I think it started as some kind of imitation of the Cockney idea of a name being restricted on a very small area. In fact, the very first written examples of the word Geordie were referring to the miners of Northumberland and Durham. To me, Geordie is an umbrella term for all of these dialects and accents Mackem, Newcastle and Pitmatic being just three variations. Blotski (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geordie