Talk:Breakup of Yugoslavia

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message: I suggest improving the lead text to increase information content and improve accuracy / reduce misleading generalizations while keeping it short.
* "as a result of a series of political upheavals and conflicts" - fails to mention original reasons for the upheavals and conflicts.
* "the unresolved issues caused bitter inter-ethnic Yugoslav wars" - this is blurry, misleading and inaccurate because "unresolved issues" can be anything and "inter-ethnic" suggest ethnic tensions as the main or one of the main causes. The wars were caused by interested and able parties - in case of Yugoslavia that were parts of the Communist regime and state apparatus, the old structures in power in wake of the inevitable economic collapse and following social upheaval - in an attempt to stay in power or secure as good as possible position for themselves for the future to come - no matter what. External factors come as secondary causes, as opportunistic influences and are more the background than the causes. The majority of unprivileged population did not want the war - it is easy to see that while looking at mobilization responses and percentage of deserters on Serbian / Yugoslav side. The ethnic tensions are a tool - they were heated up mostly intentionally on fertile ground of the economical and political situation - their intensity is more a consequence and much lees the cause of the original problems.
I suggest: "The breakup of Yugoslavia occurred as a result of the failure of its political and social system and in the wake of the collapse of its national economy - a crisis culminating in the breakup of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia in January 1990 and broad awareness of the failure of the system and its imminent collapse among the population. After a period of political and economic crisis in late 1970s and in the 1980s, constituent republics of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia split apart. The struggle for power, control of the development, profit, privileges and to avoid lustration, revenge and persecution caused bitter, mainly inter-ethnic Yugoslav wars while the common interest of the majority of (unprivileged) people was economic prosperity, peace and freedom which presumed the end of the communist dictatorship and ideology, end of the one-party system, liberation of the market and democratic development."
In short simple words: Yugoslavia breaks up because the Communist League breaks up. The Communist League breaks up because their politics, social system and economy have failed. The population is broadly aware that the system has failed and that it will dissolve. The structures in power in Serbia, in Montenegro and in the Army that want to stay in power start the wars. The communists in other republics mostly turn their coats inside-out and position themselves as new democrats and advocates of a liberated market.
Please review and comment. --Zzzrin (talk) 14:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backgrounds and Overview in the lead text 

message: Why would an unsecured amount of $500 US equivalent cause a major scandal? It seems there is a typo here. Maybe it was supposed to be $500 million? -- 208.81.184.11 (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read that part and I think I understand what it means. It currently says "...the managers of Agrokomerc had issued promissory notes equivalent to US$500 without collateral, forcing the state to assume responsibility for their debts when Agrokomerc finally collapsed." I assume 'issued promissory notes without collateral' means that they created and gave away unofficial banknotes for free and treated them as if they were worth $500, basically spending government money without the government's permission. Therefore, the $500 would make sense given that they distributed many of these banknotes. IFixBadArticles (talk) 22:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: $500

message: Would it be a good idea to place a section in this article to talk about the UN Peacekeeping actions that occurred in Croatia and Bosnia after the Croatian War of Independence and the Bosnian war, or should this be put in an article of its own?
Thanks. - IntPolCC (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: UN Peacekeeping Actions in Croatia and Bosnia

message: I'm 99% Sure that this is not so simple and that there was proof (let alone indications as per interviews) that the Americans wanted to cause an economic collapse and essentially completely changed their policies towards the country over a few weeks, despite it moving in a westerly direction for a while. It entered a period of economic stagnation in the early 1980's after Tito's death but its debt never rose above 25% of GDP. US current debt is over 100% of GDP, some the worlds most stabile countries like Sweden have a debt to gdp ratio of about 25-35%. If I remember correctly, what happened was that future loans were abruptly cut as a political decision before any serious economic crisis happened. This forced inflationary spending by the government and led to economic stagnation. Later the country was driven into the abyss by radical shock therapy more or less forced upon its new liberal leadership under Ante Marković who quite willingly obliged. Loans are not "help" and today all of the republics of former Yugoslavia have a debt to GDP ratio that's higher than that of Yugoslavia. Its not causing any of them to collapse and they keep getting new loans. So saying that the debt was a problem for such a "poor" country (it wasn't very poor) is really a joke. I don't have access to the literature to prove this and I'm not a Yugoslav scholar but it doesn't make any sense. Could someone help in this regard? KostaKusta (talk) 05:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: In the introduction its claimed that western countries were unwilling to help Yugoslavia as the Soviet Union opened up and relations got more "friendly"

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved  Mike Cline (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Breakup of Yugoslavia →  – WP:CONSISTENT with the pattern of similar articles' titles: Dissolution of Czechoslovakia, Dissolution of the Soviet Union, Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, Dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, Dissolution of Austria-Hungary etc. A plain Google search and the Google Scholars search show that both are equally commonly used terms. Balkovec (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 April 2022 

message: In the econonimc collapse and international climate section , there consistant reference to PJ Cramptons A concise history of Bulgaria , particularly pages 386-387. This is untrue and impossible considering both the 1997 edition of the book and the 2006 second edition only have 284 and 313 pages respectively. This is also not a mere mistake misstating the page numbers, as the book does not address or talk about any of the facts whic this article claims it does 2A02:8084:122:6580:1822:B9D0:D4E2:E120 (talk) 19:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked WorldCat and it confirms that the page numbers can't match, so I tagged those with . --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Crampton cite was removed, but was still in use by other refs. I've rescued it to the sources section. This is just a technical fix, and not an endorsement of the refs themselves. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 09:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect referencing  

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message: The independent map of B&H didn’t have his full borders, the independent B&H fell directly apart. (Srpska was never a part of RB&H 188.172.108.163 (talk) 18:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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