Talk:Gay sex roles

message: Wondering if it'd be useful to reframe this article to address sexual roles/positions, rather than specifically focussing on the top/bottom dichotomy. I note that the article makes reference to 'sides', although only briefly. Yet fairly recent studies have shown that less than half (37.2%) of sex between gay couples was reported to involve anal (Rosenberger, 2011).Rosenberger, Joshua G., 'Sexual Behaviors and Situational Characteristics of Most Recent Male-Partnered Sexual Event among Gay and Bisexually Identified Men in the United States', The Journal of Sexual Medicine 8, no. 11 (2011): 3040–50. 
Let's not do away with the top/bottom/versatile categories, since they have been useful frames of reference for many (Ravenhill, 2017).Ravenhill, James, '“It Takes a Man to Put Me on the Bottom”: Gay Men’s Experiences of Masculinity and Sex', The Journal of Sexual Medicine 14, no. 5/4 (2017): E289–E290. I'm suggesting instead that the article be given a new title referring more neutrally to sexual positions, with discussion of the top/bottom/side categories, and a further 'side' category and acknowledgement that much of gay sex is actually 'side-sex' too.
193.190.253.145 (talk) 08:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Following "Be Bold" I renamed the page to "Gay sex positions." Thisisnotatest (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming/reframing article to 'Gay Sexual Roles/Positions' 

message: Anal sex isn't synonymous with being gay and there hasn't been too much stress on it on the article and also to only poll some US cities wasn't fair when gay men are all over the world and different societies have different attitudes and behavior ranging from India to African countries, China, South America etc 197.186.17.93 (talk) 18:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to your comment, I have added the  template to this page. Thisisnotatest (talk) 10:49, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The top, bottom, verse analogy isn't universal 

message: The title of the article is incorrect. Most men who have sex with men (MSM) do not describe themselves or their (sexual) relationships as "gay" (see here; also The Guardian: "The proportion of people with same-sex experience is higher than the proportion who identify as gay and bisexual"). MSM range from 5%-20% worldwide, while 4% of men are "mostly heterosexual", 0.5% of men are "evenly bisexual", 0.5% of men are "mostly homosexual", and 2% of men are "completely homosexual".
A better title might be "Sex roles in sex between men".
Same goes for the use of the adjective "gay" within the article, for the same reason. --2804:2FB0:431:FB00:3CB1:94C2:1DEE:58B (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I know!!! 65.190.5.19 (talk) 11:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! But it seems that around here they prefer to label all M/M erotica as gay. --2804:2FB0:40A:E800:416B:F587:8875:FC51 (talk) 02:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The use of "gay" instead of "MSM" 

message: In addition to continuing to insist on the use of the adjective "gay" for sex between men, an image of sex between women has now also been placed in the article. What's the point of this? --2804:2FB0:418:2300:74B5:E8DE:A990:3377 (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of sex between women