Talk:Battle of Brandy Station

message: [Moved comments from the article itself to their proper home. Hal Jespersen 00:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from an anonymous reviewer 

message: Shouldn't this get a redirect from Battle of Beverly's Ford (the opposing ID)? I'd agree, it was phase 1 of the Gettysburg campaign; had Stuart not been beaten here, he wouldn't have felt the need to go chasing Federal booty, & would've been present at Gettysburg. Furthermore, "largest cavalry battle in U.S."? It's largest ever fought, isn't it? I don't see any mention of Gen Duffie, whose failure to support Stuart is blamed for the near-disaster in at least one TV doc I've seen... Trekphiler 06:46 & 06:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The National Park Service, whose articles formed the original basis of our namespace, does not list Beverly's Ford as an alternative name for this battle. Can you present some secondary sources that use that name? As to General Duffie, as you can see the description of the battle is relatively short. You are invited to expand it responsibly. If you would like the article to include your supposition about Stuart's motives in the Gettysburg campaign based on this action, you need to back it up with credible citations. I don't believe there are many historians who will make a direct connection as you have here. Stuart already had a demonstrated history of raiding in the federal rear and it would be difficult to credit specific motives for this particular battle. Hal Jespersen 17:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beverly's Ford?

message: As a somewhat detached observer, I really am struggling to fully understand the constant stream of revisions to this article. I covered Brandy Station in some detail in my book Crossed Sabers, which has been a popular title in wargaming circles. However, I do not pretend to be an expert on this battle (my expertise is much more in the subsequent battles of the campaign). I would comment that the statements on Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville seem rather innocuous, and I am not grasping why they are constantly being pulled out. Short of having Ed Longacre or Eric Wittenberg rewrite the article to be a summary of their books, I think it has been an accurate and impartial review of the facts, without significant NPOV. I frankly didn't see any major issues with the old article, nor did anyone on the WP:ACW that I am aware of. Can we get to some middle ground ASAP? If not, then let's turn this matter 100% over to the ACW Task Force for resolution (binding arbitration, if you will, since you are a lawyer, Larry). Scott Mingus 04:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: I had to duplicate a footnote to emphasize a point that perhaps is a little too subtle: Brandy Station was the largest predominantly cavalry battle in the war. The Battle of Trevilian Station in 1864 had slightly fewer horsemen engaged (about 16,000 at TS versus 17,000 at BS), but it was an entirely cavalry fight. Eric J. Wittenberg states in two of his cavalry references that TS was the largest all-cavalry battle. I can provide citations for that if needed; one is in the TS article already.
The Brandy Station Foundation has an obvious motivation for claiming it is the largest cavalry battle because their fundraising would be diluted by lesser claims. I deleted a claim that it was the largest such battle in US history because their website does not state as such (they say the largest in North America) and we would need to document that claim. Just off the top of my head, I know that the US 1st Cavalry Division is currently larger than the combined forces on both sides at Brandy Station, so it is possible they may have engaged in larger battles during their history. I agree that it is probable that Brandy Station was the largest predominantly horse cavalry engagement in US history, but we need a citation for that, instead of assumption. Hal Jespersen 16:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comparing cavalry of the Civil War to contemporary armored divisions bearing the quaint but inaccurate title of cavalry is absurd.  To state that "oh, largest cavalry battle with horses in it" is ridiculous.  If Brandy Station is the largest predominantly cavalry battle, then I gladly stand corrected.  As for a comparison with all US military history, it is hard to imagine where or when a larger battle with mostly "horses" would have taken place. I seriously doubt it would have been in Revolutionary War, WWI or any war since.  This leaves battles against the Native Americans which I doubt would be larger, the Spanish American War which again is doubtful.  Only Mexico strikes me as potentially having a larger cavalry battle "with horses."  I will continue to look for citations.EastmeetsWest 17:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: When discussing the civil war, assuming that cavalry battle comparisons include modern heavy artilery units is indeed ridiculous.  Death toll comparisons, for instance do make sense over time as human being and death do not fundamentally change.  But how does one make comparisons between horses and tanks?  How many horses equal a tank?  Are horses and tanks irrelevant in such comparisons leaving us comparing only numbers of human personnel?  In assessing the size of a battle for comparing armoured cavarly with horseback, should we just consider firepower?  Or perhaps engine horsepower ought to be compared with actual horses?  Depending on how this comparison is made one could end up with wildly different figures.  So, yes, it is absurd and ridiculous in the extreme to presume in comparisons with civil war cavalry battles that modern armoured division are included.  Stick with what you know.  129.74.86.6 19:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: This person has been adding the same nonsense: 
*"On January 15 2015 Alan Jordan McNeely made a speech about the battle of brandy station for a band project" 
*"on januray 28 2015 civil war historian Alan jordan McNeely made the brandy station adress to help people remember the battle of brandy station"
*"January 18th 2015 Waterford CT Alan Jordan McNeely did a speech at Waterford High School to help people learn about the battle of Brandy Station and march for band"
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