Talk:Deaths in 2005

message: *Jean-Claude Usunier, 76, Swiss professor of marketing
I can't find any evidence of his death, other than what was on the Wikipedia page. I did find that he exists/existed, but should we remove him until proof is found?
:Yeah, seems sensible. I can't find a source on the web either. Whouk (talk) 20:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If that is the same person, I can't believe he's 76! For one thing, he got his major in 1972. Also, the pic makes him look about 50-55 (which would sort of fit with the education and CV data). And also, a 76-year-old dying in a jet ski accident? *puzzled* Sam Vimes 22:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jean-Claude Usunier 

message: Likewise no report anywhere else that Madeleine Albright is dead. Somebody playing pranks today?
:Looks like it. I've removed her again. Worth keeping an eye on (and on her article, which was also changed earlier). She's sufficiently notable that her death would appear in all the major news sources if true. Whouk (talk) 21:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, I removed her again. ;) --Syrthiss 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So you did. Sorry :-) Whouk (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madeleine Albright 

message: I looked at the Wikipedia obituaries and noted that convicted murders executed in the USA are listed throughout the 2005 obits (and probably before 2005 - I'm still looking). Can someone please explain why? My guess is someone is trying to make a political statement against the death penalty in the US which, in my view, doesn't belong in the Wikipedia obituary section. There are other sections in Wikipedia where historical perspectives on the death penalty in the US would be more appropriate. An unrelenting listing of all US-executed murders goes beyond the bounds of what you would expect to see in a typical obituary listing (and why only the US? What about China, Iran and other countries? They execute criminals in far greater proportions than the US, but no entries to be found here!). To me, it smacks of a subtle attempt for someone to register their protest over the death penalty in the US. 
In all other obituary listings I have seen in the US and around the world, obituaries are usually written about 'significant people' (i.e. famous politicians, movie/television stars, scientists, authors, activists and other noted/historical personalities). Occassionally, 'celebrity' murderers (Richard Speck, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, etc.) arguably deserve mention only because of the 'historical' atrocities they committed. 
I recommend the serial listing of US-executed criminals be deleted from this section and leave the death penalty issues elsewhere. Or, if executed criminals deserve such mention, then print them for ALL countries, not just the US.
Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tjdigit (talk • contribs) .
:I oppose the removal of these listings.  I don't particularly care what the motive is for adding them, if they are deaths important enough to receive news coverage, then they can be added to this list.  I do not oppose the addition of executions in other counties provided there is a verifiable source provided.  We can revisit the issue if there becomes a problem with space. Gamaliel 17:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I still stand by my statement, but I respect the opinons of others :-) Maybe I should stick to my favorites topics of music & NASA... LOL Tjdigit 17:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I am totally with Tjdigit, in fact I raised this very same point some time ago and was told there was no consensus either way as to include or exclude executed convicts from the US only. Yes, given the debate about the death penalty the acts may be significant but the people being executed are in no way deserving to be put in the same list as noted scientists, politicians, artists and so on. I think these people could be listed in an article regarding the death penalty but I continue to stand by the opinion that they do not belong in the notable deaths list. Maybe a topic for a survey?--Kalsermar 22:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing of executed convicted murders in USA 

message: There is something wrong with the linkage of this set of pages - but I can't quite put my finger on how it should be made better. It isn't made easier by the fact that 2005 is divided into months whilst earlier years are all 365 days.
Take a not-the-current month in 2005. It is easy to move to any other month in the year and to the entire "Deaths in 2005" page (which at the moment = December), you can also move to Jan 2006 but it is a "red link" cos we haven't got there yet. You can't go back to 2004.
Thoughts: (1) Add a "2004" back arrow before January in each list of months. (2) Make "Deaths in 2005" purely a link to the relevant month pages with no actual data in it. Make the current month just like the other months in style. Hmm, not quite right. -- SGBailey 23:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Linkage