Talk:Fenian Brotherhood

message: Who was William Smith O'Brien and where was his attempted rising in 1848? Ireland? Rmhermen 15:38, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
:The 1848 rising, which William Smith O'Brien led, was organised by the Young Ireland movement. It was in Ballingarry in Tipperary.El Gringo 02:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  William O'Brien 

message: This proposed merger is a bad idea.  Fenian is a broad, general term, used both by Irish nationalists to describe themselves (at one point in time), as well as by their English and Unionist opponents as a term of insult.  The Fenian Brotherhood, on the other hand, was a specific organization of Irish nationalists, dedicated to removing English power and influence over Ireland.  One could argue that all members of the Fenian Brotherhood were Fenians, but one could not argue that all Fenians were members of the Fenian Brotherhood. ---Charles 03:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was my understanding too. Fenianism was/is a movement. At certain times that movement spawned certain organisations such as the Fenian Brotherhood and the Irish Republican Brotherhood, members of which were also referred to as Fenians. But the movement was more than the organisations that it spawned. Snottygobble 04:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added the merge tag due to the bad link on James Stephens page 'was an Irish nationalist who founded the Fenian Movement" I have changed the link, and removed tag.Ghostieguide 07:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The name Fenian was not used until the founding of the Fenian Brotherhood.  The IRB is sometimes referred to as the Fenian Brotherhood, but officially there was only one organization so named (though it had in two major factions beginning in 1867).  The nickname for Irish republicans stems from that organization.  The War for Independence was covertly led by the IRB though the IRA, many of whose leaders were also IRB, was the military arm.  According to IRB rules, and those of the CnG at the time, Collins as President of IRB was also President of the Irish Republic, which is major reason republicans on both sides of the water were upset when Dev began using the title "President" when he was touring the USA (his actual legal title at the time was Priomh Aire, or Prime Minister).  As a result of the Dev-Collins split, the CnG also split, with the Devoy faction recognizing the Treaty as the foundation of an Irish Republic and voting to disband, as did the IRB.  The McGarrity wing of CnG carried on, however, and recognized the reorganized IRA as its partner in 1926, thus christening IRA members as "Fenian".  The CnG, like the IRA, was split into three factions after WW II, and the surviving faction supported the group later known as the Officials until 1970.  Afterwards, the overwhelming majority supported the "Reorganized IRA" under the "Provisional Army Council".  The dominant Michael Flannery-George Harrison faction of CnG maintained support for the O'Bradaigh wing of the movement (RSF-CIRA) after the Adams-MacGuinness coup in 1986, founding the National Irish Freedom Committee to replace NORAID (though the latter continued to exist until around 2001). Chuck Hamilton (talk) 14:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger 

message: What supporting evidence is there for the statement that "Despite the use of petitions and public meetings that attracted vast popular support, the government thought the Union was more important than Irish public opinion"?Royalcourtier (talk) 23:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Substituted at 15:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Basic information to add to this article, in order to make it properly encyclopedic: the etymology of the word "Fenian." 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article