Talk:MKS Cracovia

message: "Cracovia’s absence from the League unfortunately lasted only one season. After beating Smigly Wilno, AKS Chorzow and Brygada Czestochowa, the team returned. And the return was so successful that in their first season back Cracovia won the League, becoming the Champion for the fourth time, what was considered as an disgrace for all polish people. Cracovia is still considered as the club of the lowlifes, scoundrels and poor homeless people. It's the very worst thing that ever happened to Krakow. "We're very sorry for our existence" as the Cracovia fans say."wtf?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.25.92 (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Early history

message: Wasn't this club and another Krakow football club focused on in one episode of Ross Kemp on Gangs? __meco (talk) 15:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hooliganism? 

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message: I have been reading into the rivalry between Cracovia and Wisła, and could use some clarification on a couple points.
All sources agree that early in the rivalry, one of Cracovia's best players (Ludwik Gintel) was Jewish. Some sources additionally claim that Cracovia was founded by Jews. None dispute this additional claim, but I could not find a reliable source for this information, and it might be completely false.
As well, everyone seems to agree that the "Jude Gang" ultras are mostly non-Jewish, working-class Catholics using Jewish imagery to provoke other teams' ultras (mostly Wisła). However, there are additional sources which claim that they are generally nationalists and antisemites, due to their connections to Anty-Wisła (who frequently show Nazi-related imagery). Other sources claim the club is generally seen as a fairly non-antisemitic one, particularly compared to Wisła. On the other hand, some have claimed that Wisła ultras aren't even sincerely antisemitic, and are purely trying to provoke Cracovia supporters. It would be a stretch to call either club's ultras anti-racist or anti-fascist on par with Sankt Pauli or Celtic, but someone should definitely clear this up.DLMacLeod (talk) 21:32, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Club and Jude Gang 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~StyyxTalk? 23:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: KS Cracovia (football) →  – Should have been MKS Cracovia, as it is the clubs official name → Ministry of Justice link. Thanks! Perantoww1 (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 March 2022 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus. After several weeks, there is an absence of concrete consensus to move.   — Amakuru (talk) 08:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: MKS Cracovia →  – MKS Cracovia is the legal entity that owns the pro ice hockey + football clubs Abcmaxx (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Categorically incorrect. MKS Cracovia is the owner and limited company, the club is called Cracovia. Liverpool FC isn't a multi-sports club nor Polish so absolutely irrelevant. "KS Cracovia" used to be one club with many sections including football. As football and ice hockey became bigger logistical and financial challenges the sports club sections split into legally separate entities. They retained the license agreement allowing it to use the crest, colours and Cracovia name but couldn't call themselves KS Cracovia as that was already taken. So they added an "M" for that reason. The WP:COMMONNAME is Cracovia, MKS Cracovia SSA is the legal owner of the football and ice hockey teams. This move has just messed up a whole load of redirect and categories too. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 October 2022 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 21:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: MKS Cracovia →  
*1. MKS Cracovia is the owner and limited company, the club is called Cracovia. 
*2. Several redirects from MKS Cracovia actually relate to the ice hockey section. 
*3. There are two organisations: KS Cracovia, which is basketball, handball and the youth academies, and MKS Cracovia, which is the ice hockey and the football first team. 
*4. Both Cracovia (ice hockey) and this football team are called MKS Cracovia. 
*5. The proposer of the move is an account that was blocked for sockpuppetry.  
*6. "KS Cracovia" used to be one club with many sections including football. As football and ice hockey became bigger logistical and financial challenges the sports club sections split into legally separate entities. They retained the license agreement allowing it to use the crest, colours and Cracovia name but couldn't call themselves KS Cracovia as that was already taken. So they added an "M" for that reason. 
*7. The WP:COMMONNAME is Cracovia, MKS Cracovia SSA is the legal owner of the football and ice hockey teams. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

text: * In particular, most of the 7 points are trying to claim a WP:COMMONNAME, but providing a total of 0 sources for it. Points 2 and 4 (redirects are wrong because there's also an ice hockey team) isn't a valid reason, those redirects should just be fixed to point to the ice hockey team. And point 5 is irrelevant, as there was still a consensus made by good faith editors notwithstanding that the original proposer was a sock. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

text: *:Not true at all. Where is the evidence for MKS being part of the commonname? Abcmaxx (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

text: * WP:NPA. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 August 2023