Talk:List of Italian-American mobsters

message: Taestell, 
:Regarding your recent edit, as many of the mobsters listed in the Italian-American mobsters category are contantly being added, several mobsters are presently not on the list. Although the list is periodlicly updated it also provides a more detailed listing then the present category describes. If you feel the page should be deleted, instead of redirecting it to a category, you should at least consult the original author before making major changes. MadMax 22:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion

message: Are Tony Cipriani and Matthew Giuffre, "Bat Jew" (1989-2006) appropriate contenders to be listed here. Is there a real Tony Cipriani as well as the videogame mobster. And as for Matthew Giuffre. A seventeen year old mobster who was killed this year. Do we have any sources for this. Unlikely but possible for the American mafia more likely to happen in the Sicilian mafia or 'Ndrangheta. Just clearing this up.
--Alexbonaro 07:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am adding and have added a great number of mobsters (Italian-American ofcourse) to the list. Many of them not known to the general public but I am %100 sure of their existance at one stage or another. If you have any queries drop a message here or on my talk page rather then deleting them. Thankyou. --Alexbonaro 10:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: I just finished removong Italian-American from most of the articles. Now for this list. Should we have so many red links? What about nuking them until the article is created. Also, this list contains <drum roll> zero references?? Why am I not surprised. I guess we are going by the individuals wiki article? I removed Dan Marino and a few others.--Tom 20:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nine-plus months later: This list appears to be the target of a lot of unwatched vandalism. I just reverted/undid four or five entries that either plainly were or strongly smelled of complete fabrication. And that was just from the last dozen or so edits. The list needs to be vetted from top to bottom. All the red links should go, unless there's a secondary article to link them to for verification, and all the blue links need to be checked to make sure they're actually organized-crime figures.--ShelfSkewed Talk 18:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jan 2007 clean up in order

message: any objections to moving all redlinked items that also lack a reference citation and place them in a section of this talk page.  Being on the talk page, they can remain until/if they have WP articles of get references showing the people are actually Italian American and mobsters.  I will do this anytime after Jan 26 if no one objects here. Thanks Hmains (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jan 2008 cleanup in order

message: The ethnical profiling of criminals (such as this article on Wikipedia) is more than suspect in europeans' eyes. List of jewish-mobsters is horrendous due to history, but this huge scroll of italian mobsters is also an abomination.
We should consider that this is EN. wikipedia.org, not US.wikipedia.org (that is general english language wikipedia as opposed to unitedstatesian wikipedia) and thus article modesty policies should apply here which are acceptable for all civilized cultures. The genetic profiling of people according to "race vs. criminality" assumptions is a huge taboo in Europe and elsewhere, even if it is commonplace in USA.
Please relocate this and similar articles to us.wikipedia.org, so they do not lead to blocking of en.wikipedia.org access in many countries which have racism-ban laws! Those who are interested in these kinds of lists will find them on us.wikipedia.org. 82.131.210.162 14:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the United States, as well as parts of Canada, organized crime has historically been based by ethnicity. The "Cosa Nostra" in particular are closed to non Italian-Americans (although Irish-Americans and others have been hired from time to time for freelance work such as contract killings and armed robbery). I'm not sure I understand your claim that this would consitute as "racism" given Italian-Americans belong to an ethnic group while Judaism is a religion (the Jewish-American mobster list also applying to ethnicity as seen on the related Jewish-American organized crime article). However, you are certainly free to make your comments known on Wikipedia:Village pump. MadMax 19:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with the User. This list is an abomination. Has it ever been proposed for scrapping — that is, removal from Wikipedia? In great disgust, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: If an article proves that someone was Italian-American and a mobster, it belongs on this list.  If these articles are accurate, I see no reason why a list of them is racist.  The burden is on all of us to produce articles that meet these standards. Rogermx (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heil mobsters! Siegel Heil! 

message: John Germanotta has never had any involvement with the mafia. The inclusion of his name is an insult to a great man. I'd like to know what basis User:Alexbonaro has for including him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peshal (talk • contribs) 
:Firstly, which John Germanotta are you talking about? Then I can help you by responding adequately. Tell me about this John Germanotta of yours. Alexbonaro 05:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Germanotta

message: "JD" MUSANTE 1908-1969
James D. Musante does belong on A PERMANENT list. He was a bookie in West Chester,PA. James Darlington Musante  operated his "business" out  of his WC barbershop.  1908-1969.  Sandra D. Musante.     Sandra_musante@hotmail.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.86.224 (talk) 17:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see discussion under "BLP issue", below. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: (removed, see below - SummerPhD (talk) 03:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  People lacking WP artricles or references to justify being in this list 

message: I'm not sure why someone is trying to re-invent the wheel here. Wikipedia has clear guidelines for inclusion in lists. Our standard warning  reads:
:"Hello. Your recent edit appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you."
Basically, we have two types of lists: "complete" lists and everything else. A complete list would be one that is easily sourced and would be expected to be complete: We can easily find a reliable source that lists every mayor of New York City and it would be shocking if we left gaps (even if we don't have an article for each one).
The "everything else" style would include anything that is either expected to be incomplete (no one would expect List of people from New York City to include every person from NYC). The broad consensus is that we do not include entries in such lists unless there is a Wikipedia article whose sources support the inclusion of that item in the list. So, for example, if you want to add Barbara Boxer to the NYC people list, you'll need to have a cite in her article supporting it.
This particular list is somewhat between the cracks. We probably want to include every person above a certain level in the organization, but we might not have reliable sources for all of them. Further, we certainly won't be able to include living or possibly living people without rock solid sources. 
Further, our title here uses the vague term "mobster". While positions above a certain point are clear-cut inclusion cases, there are marginal cases. While numbers runners, bookies, corrupt cops, etc. are all certainly criminals involved in organized crime, would we necessarily call them "mobsters"?
In any case, we have a few clear lines here. Notable "mobsters" -- however we define the term -- should have articles. Including those who do not have articles is dubious at best. Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 13:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria 

message: The section "People lacking WP artricles or references to justify being in this list", above, currently includes an extensive list of names. As there are no articles or sources discussing any of these people (who may or may not be living) and their supposed status as "mobsters", our policy on biographies of living people seems to indicate this should be deleted. Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP issue 

message: When you click on Ronald Jerothe's name you are taken to the Gambino Family page. But he is not mentioned on that page. He is discussed on the page for Thomas DeSimone. So perhaps this is the page that should be linked. Or someone could create a Ronald Jerothe page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeDetweiler (talk • contribs) 10:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronald Jerothe 

message: Sorry, but was there really a mobster called "Butterass" or is that vandalism? 72.24.192.171 (talk) 00:37, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added in 2006, but the current George DeCicco page was created in 2008, with "Big Georgie" as the nickname. I've removed the nickname and added the date of death. Ttwaring (talk) 15:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning Butterass