Talk:Randy Orton/Archive 1

message: "This feud is expected to run till Survivor Series for a Buried Alive match."
Shouldn't this be deleted, as later in the article, it states that this won't happen?
:Don't worry I cleaned it up --- Paulley 14:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: =="Legend Killings"==
*Rob Van Dam - 12/14/03
*Booker T - 12/29/03
*Chris Benoit - 8/15/04
RVD has never had the WWE or WHW titles. He will one day be a legend but I don't think he is one yet. BOOKER T has held the WCW WHW title 5 times and has had a ton of championship reins but I wouldn't call him a legend yet either. CHRIS BENIOT is the closest one to a legend out of the 3 but I don't think he is there yet either. So I'm going to remove them from the list of legends killed. If anyone disagrees please let me know. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 22:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to think we have a higher standard than the WWE :-D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Orton's list is final. Wikipedia does not have a position on whether the named individuals are legendary or not; the list is for people who Orton has referred to as legends and subsequently insulted / attacked. McPhail 23:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What I think is technically Booker T & Chris Benoit has never been "promoted" to legend status. RVD has been "promoted" to legendary status per the video game Legends of Wrestling. By promoted I mean, has ever been mentioned as or been called a legend. I have never seen where Booker T or Benoit has had that merit, yet. Not to say they aren't legends of thier own time, but not legends yet. But on another note, I dont think that a list of people that Randy Orton has given the RKO to is hardly worth Encylcopedic value. Thats like listing every time Shawn Michaels has given someone Sweeet Chin Music. That list could hypothetically go one for a very, very long time, I think should be removed. — Moe ε 23:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you say the list is final? Is Orton never going to add an other legend to that list? Before you say something like that consider this please. Orton has RKO'd HHH, Chris Jericho, Batista and Edge as well. If you include RVD, Booker T, and Chris Benoit, you'd have to include HHH, CJ, Batista, and Edge. The Legend Killer gimick of Randy Orton's is based upon the "legends" he has RKO'd, you might as well include every wrestler he's ever RKO'd, which would include Shawn Micheals, Kane, Rey Mistero, as well, do you see my point? That list should only have "legends" not every good wrestler he's ever RKO'd.KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If the wrestler's name is on the list, they are a "legend". If Orton called them a legend, then they are a legend. Whether or not you or I consider them to be a legend is irrelevant, as that would be a value judgment. McPhail 23:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would probably be better just to remove the list. I agree with KnowledgeofSelf though. There are better wrestlers than Benoit, RVD and Booker that he gave the RKO to. If you add RVD and others you would have to add everyone. I also agree with McPhail because if he calls them a "legend", thier a legend. But, all this list is causing is confrontation whether or not someone is a legend or not and would a better off removed. — Moe ε 00:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are these really legends 

message: Does Eric Bischoff count as a legend that Orton has killed. I just saw a video on WWE.com that showed Orton telling Eric that beating WWE when he was in WCW in the ratings for 88 months made him somewhat of a legend. Can someone clarify this for me??
--Killswitch Engage 04:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric Bischoff 

message: Hi, i decided to leave a list of legends i know Orton has killed.sry if i left any out.
--Killswitch Engage 04:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legends Killed List 

message: Iv'e also decided to remove the Super R.K.O. because he never uses it.
--Killswitch Engage 05:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reinserting it because he's used it on a few occasions. He's used it more recently than the Overdrive, or the wheelbarrow suplex which he has never once performed outside of OVW. --Antrophica 17:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not do this. The article is an account of Orton's career as a whole, not just his WWE career. McPhail 14:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The whole point of Wikipedia is to create articles giving a comprehensive overview of the person, event, etc. in question. We want facts about Orton's entire career, not just the last few years. McPhail 22:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Change 

message: This article is a frequent target for unregistered or new editors to add a week-by-week synopsis of the subject's in-ring career. This is irrelevant to an encyclopedic article. More experienced good-faith editors should watch for irrelevant additions to this article that will only serve to make it larger and harder to edit for style, clarity, and grammar. - Chadbryant 19:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you know what its like on here... all the edits go week-by-week for guys in WWE and TNA yep all other wrestler articles go untouched... for most cases its good to wait until someone is out of the lime light then have a massive overhaul on the whole article. But when it comes to to wrestlers like Orton its best to leave it for three weeks until these random editors forget about that episode/feud then cut down... (it's kinda like a goldfish's memory) -- Paulley 17:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Size

message: All of the edits regarding his subspension are getting way out of hand.
lol yeah but some are funny!
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:I've locked the article. Anonymous anonymous 13:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  can someone please lock this soon 

message: Once this article is unlocked, do you think it is worth having a section about how much he abuses women backstage? This has sort of become a regular issue with Orton so I believe it should be a subsection added to his Personal Life section. If not at least add this to the article once it's unlocked. Edit it slightly if it isn't up to scratch:
Orton has been fined by WWE multiple times for using the “C-word” to insult women behind the scenes in WWE, however has not taken it seriously. His attitude towards WWE’s rules and punishment is said to be what got him suspended this time.
"He's lucky he didn't get fired. He has a lot of growing up to do. It was just stupid - disrespectful to the boys and the company." Says one WWE source about his latest incident. "Undertaker despises him, and Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, and even Triple H have grown tired of his act. They barely tolerate him." 
Orton’s disrespectful treatment of women is said to be what has turned most people backstage against him. As previously reported, he is the most disliked person in the locker room right now.
Normy 01:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No rumours, please. McPhail 18:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the "C-word"?
CUNT69.86.100.164 02:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel this is needed. It's just a rumor.
Fair enough, this section can probably needed seeing as this issue is solved. Normy 07:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: i do not think a section like that should ever be added, there is no proof at all that randy has "abused" women, there has only been one confirmed thing that was the business with rochelle but it was later found out he had said sorry. Anything else is just rumours, people just love to start this stuff with randy, there is no creditible site that has said this actually happened, if it had done dont you think it would be out there and randy could be faces charges. Untill it is 100% comfirmed do not believe everything news sites say they make up anything just for you to visit and people are fulling for it Lil crazy thing 12:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Ridiculous. Christian Slater has a confirmed history of being abusive to women and you don't see a section dedicated to that. --Antrophica 19:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse to Women 

message: Does it really need saying he wrestled in the "antepenultimate" match at WM 22? Does it matter, and is it clear and concise language (I know what it means, but it does seem needless). Was the previous match on the card listed as the "preantepenultimate" match? If it's not the first or last match on the card, does placement really even need to be discussed?
BoosterBronze 18:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Posting this question at the bottom of the talk page under a new heading, as is procedure, might have led someone to see it and respond ;) (Going to do that now) As far as I am concerned, no - it is not clear and concise language and should be changed. I changed it once, someone put it back. I didn't want to start an edit war over something so minor so I left it alone, but still support its removal. --Naha|(talk) 15:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it originally. I don't have any real objection to it being removed, but I did think it was worthwhile mentioning where on the card the match was. The logical assumption otherwise would be that the match was the main event or second from main event. It's also notable in that Mysterio is the first Royal Rumble winner since 1999 to not challenge for the world title in the main event, i.e. the last match of the evening; again, a casual reader would then possibly assume that the match, given that it contained the Rumble winner, would by way of tradition be the main event. It's not important either way, though. McPhail 18:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What is the target education level for an encyclopedia reader? Honestly I don't know. The answer to that question, however, should resolve this debate. It's not a commonly-used term, and I don't expect the average layperson to know it. I'd guess that the word would probably be considered above college level. In regards to feeling the need to point out the match's position, regardless of what the match was for, it really doesn't matter where on the card it fell, only the results are relevant. --Naha|(talk) 18:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Why would you expect a very little-used word to be commonly known? I just did a googgle search for it, and it only turned up 105,000 hits. --Naha|(talk) 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Third from last. McPhail 14:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clear and concise language

message: Is this some kind of a sick joke? Please cite a source if this is not false!
Randy Orton was killed?
:all it was, was a sick joke Lil crazy thing 10:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Randy killed? 

message: I have read on internet sites he's moved to Raw.
Also *SPOILERS* He was not on Smackdown this week. As of June 7th, the brand he appeared on last was Raw.
: post the link to the exact site then, he has not been moved to raw he is a smackdown wrestler, unless wwe.com states his been moved then he hasn't. Not being on smackdown this week has nothing to do with it. He only appeared on raw because he went to attack angle that is all. Do not change it unless wwe.com states his moved. Lil crazy thing 20:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Burned...   Perry 01:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: do you think i'm bothered......no say what you want but at the time i was right saying i told you so is wrong because he wasn't a raw member at the time, cos when you was changing it he was still a smackdown wrestler. You only change what roster there on when it has been annouced not before, like you was doing. Lil crazy thing 11:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Raw or Smackdown?

message: Orton to join d-x now hes on raw? rumors say its true
No way man ;)
--DannyPeep 19:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Degenerate? =

message: Did Orton injure his wrist on Tuesday on ECW? He looked like he actually hurt it.Yugioh73036 19:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He actually aggravated his shoulder which he has had multiple surgeries on in the past.--Trick man01 17:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Injured?

message: "Due to his superior in-ring skills"?  "Polished showmanship on the mike"?  "Highly effective promo"?  Not only are those all laughable, but they're not remotely NPOV.  I'm taggin' it.  ekedolphin 04:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV violation

message: I'm sorry but this picture does not represent Randy Orton in a very good way. Just look at it, he looks fat and old! Can someone please change it??!! - Yasmin.
Any replacement image must be public domain or freely-licensed.  --Yamla 22:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This Picture

message: Remain civil, please. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 20:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:CIVIL]]

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He's a smoker. It should be put under personal life as its unusual for an athlete like him.
Why is he smoking!! I dont get it. Hes 26years old and hes an athlete!! Its not good for him!!! He has addmited he does smoke on MySpace aswell. Yes it should be put on his personal life!! I cant believe it!! Randy wat r u doing!!User: Tash4johncena 12.08pm, 15th December 2006
Guys seriously thats sad, we dont go around saying Triple H doesnt drink beer now do we, I persoanlly think that personal information should be limited to family matters, he's a human being he's aloud to do what he wants isnt he?
I agree. -- THL 02:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Smoking??]]

message: What exactly is the controversy? Orton was never referred to as the youngest World Champion in pro wrestling history, only the youngest World Champion in WWE History. Technically speaking, Orton is the youngest World Champion in WWE History. Even though they're two seperate titles, a misunderstanding has taken place. If I'm not mistake, Orton is the youngest wrestler to hold any championship in WWE history. Maybe that's what is meant by him being the youngest WWE Champion in history As far as the statments about him being the youngest WWE Champion in history. I heard Jim Ross state that Orton was the youngest WWE Champion on Raw about a month or so ago but he corrected himself moments later and said that Orton was the youngest World Champion in WWE history, not wanting to give the impression that Orton had held the WWE Championship. The whole thing about combining the WCW and WWF titles into one Undisputed Championship and then splitting them up and having the WWE Championship go back to retaining it's own lineage, retiring the WCW Championship, and then creating the World Championship has always been a source of confusion for some. Both The World and WWE Championship titles have their own seperate and distinct lineage, as stated on WWE.com so the statement about their being some uncertainty as to whether the WWE considers them two seperate titles is completely wrong. If they weren't meant to be different titles, then there'd be one top championship defended by one wrestler. Odin's Beard 19:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Orton is the youngest wrestler to win a world heavyweight championship in the history of the WWE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.29.185 (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Championship Controversy

message: I was just looking at the Manager's section on the page. I remember Stacy Keibler was a valet manager at one point and also should we put down Triple H? Because of Evolution? Govvy 17:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managers 

message: Yeeeeeah, that's not Undertaker. I'm not entirely sure how anyone would be capable of mixing Kurt Angle and The Undertaker up, personally, but I figured I'd drop an FYI. I'd fix it myself, but really, I don't have an inkling of a clue on how to do it and I'd proly mess something up that didn't need it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.128.10.192 (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RKO Picture? 

message: Have read that Randy Orton's WWE contract expires May 1-07??
Has anybody out there know or hear if Orton or WWE has renewed
WWE/Orton contract?? Thanks Chris B. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.233.91.46 (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Randy Orton, WWE Contract?? 

message: I don't believe this is a good representation
of Randy Orton.
The picture should be changed.
Anyone have any photos for use? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elephantine (talk • contribs) 01:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ortons Profile Image 

message: On his myspace, it states that he is in fact married. Another clue, he's been wearing a ring on his ring finger on RAW or anywhere in public. So, should we put that he's married? Zerorules677 16:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a legit reference for him being engaged and due to marry in Autumn. Until another legit reference supercedes that, that part of the article is staying the same. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 00:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orton Married 

message: Randy Orton almost won a match with Undertaker shortly after he debuted. Nobody remembers this though.
No he didn't!!! Zerorules677 09:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing details worth mentioning.... 

message: We need a new RKO picture because Randy hitting the RKO is blurry on the Jim Duggan, it doesn't show the move properly... Also should we note about Randy doing an RKO off the ladder at WM23 because that was pretty impressive? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.170.213 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''RKO Picture...''' 

message: While on the European Tour Randy Orton was found passed out in a hotel room, the room was trashed with 30 grand's worth of damage done to it (He obviously had been partying...) 
He was sent home from the European Tour, back to the U.S.
He will not be at RAW Monday night, he may not be in his WWE Championship match at Backlash, this Sunday's PPV and he may be released, he isn't released yet! - Yasmin
These are RUMOURS.  No one knows what happened.  The main page should be edited and mention of him trashing a hotel room and the damages deleted as this is NOT confirmed.  The top wrestling news sites are even admitting they do NOT know what's happened.  People really should not post unconfirmed rumours onto a wiki page.Svgjen 22:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Randy Orton WWE Status... 

message: trashing his room causing $30, 000 in damage. Now as cool as he is, that type of stuff can get u fired quick
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dablack (talk • contribs) 04:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as someone who was part of a group who trashed our hotel rooms after a company Christmas Ball and were fired within a couple of days I wholeheartedly agree it is very cool but kinda dumb!However I have yet to see any reliable sources on the internet as to what happens (which is a shame because I would really like to know).I have to doubt the magnitude of the incident though after Rhyno got sacked for the simple act of Goring a hotel flower pot. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe IT did HAPPEN and their trying to cover IT up! Zenlax 05:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy Randy 

message: Was Randy and Shawn's match controversial? Zenlax 10:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judgment Day 

message: Does anyone else think that running kick he has been doing should class as one of his finishers? PayneXKiller 17:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running Kick as a finisher? 

message: This article is one of the best and most-researched I've seen since joining the WikiProject. I don't know who has the authority to do it, but I think it should definitely be raised a notch to B-class in quality, and even onto GA-class. Unfortunately, I think the article is very strong in references for his career highlights and wrestling history, but very weak in his personal life and his persona as a wrestler.--Screwball23 talk 19:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO there's too much reliance on OWW refs but hey, better than nothing. I'd definitely agree it's above start class on our quality scale though. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we can nominate it to "Good Article" status!!! I mean, when it gets there!!!   ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality scale