Talk:List of characters in the Banjo-Kazooie series

message: Why do we have the MAIN Characters in a list!?! Angry Sun 23:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Characters!?! 

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message: My biggest reason: ITS LISTING EVERYBODY!! This should only list character who are notable! This reminds of this FAQ... Not to mentiton this is kinda written like a FAQ....and they are not reoccuring characters, make cameo appearences, and just enemies.
* Chimpy: He is only seen ONCE. He is not notable like Conga. 
* Ticker: Come on, these termites are not worth mentioning.  they are solely generic enemies,
* Ju-Ju: Not notable. All they give is a jiggy, which you get in every level.
* Nipper: This crab is not worth mentioning. All you do is hit him three times and your done.
* Leaky: Maybe he was added because of the castle, but the castle is far more notable than him.
* Me. Vile: Maybe he was added because of the mini-game, but that he does.
* Tanktup: Tiptup is more notable.
* The Tiptup Choir: Tiptup is more notable.
* Wozza: Come on, this is talking more about the ice key than him.
* Sir Slush: They just enemies.
* Jinxy: He just gives you jiggies. 
* king Sandybutt: All you get is a jiggy. You dont even see him.
* Trucker: Gobi is more notable.
* Grabba: All you get is a jiggy. Seems like it was written to make him more special when hes not.
* Loggo: Come on, he just a talking toilet!...and that all about him.
* Motzand: All you get a jiggy.
* Napper: All he gives is just a jiggy.
* Snorkel: Just another way to get a jiggy.
* Boss Boom box: Just because he a boss doesnt make him notable. He just gives a jiggy.
* Eyrie: Just gives a jiggy.
* Nabnut: He not is notable like Gnawty.
* Mrs. Bottles: He doesnt even give a jiggy or makes references to other things, like the Speccy and Goggles.
* Chief Bloatazin: All he gives is a jiggy.
* Dilberta: There is nothing notable about her....Bullion Bill is more worthy of mention, and hes not even that notable.
* Targitzan: Just a boss....and thats it.
* Bullion Bill: Stated reason.
* Mrs. Boggy: All she gives is a jiggy.
* Salty Joe: Like jsut apart of the scenery of Witchyworld.
* Mr. Patch: Just a boss. And that controversy section is pathetic. Even the word "controversy" is used incorrectly.
* Jolly Roger through Merry Maggie: The controversy section is stupid........it is PURE SPECULATION. The person who put the "citation needed" tag should have just removed this....
* Dippy: There is nothing notable about him.
* Chompasaurus: This just describing, how to get the jiggy from him.
* Unga Bungas, Oogle Boogles and Rocknuts: This is trying to make then sound more important than they really are. You just get jiggies from them. 
* Terry: You just get a jiggy from him.
* Work Mates: You jus get a jiggy from then.
* Weldar: He just just a boss.
* Chilli Billi and Chilly Willy: THey are just the bosses. THeir description makes then sound more important than they really are.
* Mr. Fit: Just gives a jiggy.
* Mingy Jongo: Just a boss.
* OTHER CHARACTERS: THEY ARE JUST THE ENEMIES!! THEY ARE NOT WORTH MENTIONING! And a few character who just give jiggies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.205.202 (talk) 02:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is important to include them, because they make apperences in Banjo-Tooie (Loggo is in Grunty Industries), and if you hadden't play Banjo-Kazooie some of the diolouge wouldn't make sence. --Abominable Toaster (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What I'm going to remove and my reasons: 

message: Grunty's ryming wasn't broken in Banjo Tooie, her small overweight sister told her to stop ryming.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.249.135 (talk) 15:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, her Tall skinny sister said "Stop Rhyming you must, or help you we will not." --Abominable Toaster (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grunty's Ryming 

message: Cheato breaks his anastrophe numerous times in Banjo-Kazooie. At least once each time you meet him. It seems to be when he is telling you a code, or telling you where/how to enter one. Once his pages are ripped out, he no longer does. I would assume this is because the magic spells listed in him were what caused the speech quirk. Although it says he employed and this is correct, it is incorect to say that Grunty's sisters employed it as they tended to use it exclusively (with the execption of a command form, that requires the verb to go first). Although I do recall Mingella not using it one time. Employ may be correct as it is a choice, but she tries to use it exclusively. I feel that can cause misunderstandings, however it is correct. --Abominable Toaster (talk) 23:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheato's anastrophe 

message: The portrait in Pawno's is a different one that can be seen in the house than the on in the room with napper. That portrait, however can be seen elsewere. I am going to make a very minor correction to this. I am simply changing it to say that a different portrait can be seen in pawno's that does appear elsewhere in the house.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abominable Toaster (talk • contribs) 23:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brentilda Winkybunion's portrait 

message: *There needs to be every character on here even if they have a small role. This is a character page not character with a role page.
*They also need a full description.
Need info on clear up sections look here!!! thank you!!--Anfish (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  clear up 

message: Recently the Banjo-kazooie locations page was deleted. It comes to my attention that we redo the page by removing all links to the location page. This will improve the page by taking away all the "links" that go to a page that doesn't exist.--Anfish (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations 

message: It's listed as a character, but it's not, it's just a drill.
No eyes, no mouth, no speech.
You're really fighting Grunty.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.197.59 (talk) 20:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hag 1 

message: Why there aren't a images of Banjo & Kazooie?--217.203.27.191 (talk) 13:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images of Banjo & Kazooie

message: User A Link to the Past recently deleted the sections "Introduced in Banjo-Kazooie", "Introduced in Banjo-Tooie", etc. with the reason, "Rm minor characters." While I can definately see his reasoning, doing so took away the characters that are actually important to the games they appear in (Tooty in the first B-K, L.O.G. in Nuts & Bolts, etc.). I suggest that we bring back these sections, but leave out only the truly minor characters (Do we really need Napper from B-K or the Bleaters from Grunty's Revenge?), leaving characters who were major to begin with and characters that started out minor before coming back with bigger/expanded roles. — NES Boy (talk) 08:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 100% and have reverted these changes. He also merged all of the main characters with an already-lengthy article that was just made even MORE lengthy by the merge. This NEEDS to be discussed before massively deleting and merging. Please, A Link to the Past, discuss your changes here, why you feel they are necessary, and come to a consensus. --132 20:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, I'm lost as to how Banjo-Kazooie (series) is lengthy by any degree of the word. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What User thirteen squared and NES Boy mean is that less significant characters such as Napper or the Bleaters to the game could be removed but massive edits like the one you did to this page need to be discussed first.--Fastily (talk) 01:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Articles are to be as short as possible while conveying as much information as possible. The short list of character names with a link to longer descriptions was sufficient. By doing a full-scale merge like that, you increased the load on the page unnecessarily. Also, according to guidelines, when one section becomes too long (as the character section you merged became), it is suggested you split the article off. When done to that article, we end up back where we started. There are other options besides "merge" and "delete" and I don't believe you took even half a second to consider them. --132 15:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion can be found here. The general consensus is that the majority of the characters are useless, and that the important ones should be merged. TTN (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the problem. That discussion was on a project page. I am not involved on the project. Most editors are not involved on the project. It needs to be discussed here, first, where ALL editors of these pages can see it before massive changes like that are to occur, seemingly without notice. Even just a quick, "Hey, discussion happened here. I'm going to change it. Discuss it if you'd like." is more than sufficient than the nothing provided here and the extremely unhelpful edit summaries. --132 15:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly do you want to discuss? This material is inappropriate per Wikipedia and the video game project's standards. Extremely minor characters do not need to be discussed ever, so that only leaves the main characters. There is no arguing that at all. After the main characters are given appropriate weight, there is nothing to support an entire list, so the main article is adequate. TTN (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you even read any of my messages? They have clearly said that the changes seemed hasty and the merge was too massive. I have not, despite what you seem to think, said anything about the appropriateness of this article and its current contents. I have, however, said that there were other options besides full-scale deletion and merging of way too much information that swallows up the other article. The main one of those include scaling down the character descriptions so they don't have excessive weight on the other article. --132 18:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You've said that you want to discuss, so I went over the two possible things to discuss. If you want the character section trimmed for the merger, you could have slapped on a plot tag or something related, though I'll be doing it after this is redirected anyway. TTN (talk) 18:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

text: The characters I deleted were either covered in the plot summary of Banjos Kazooie, Tooie, and Nuts and Bolts or didn't need coverage. What characters need coverage and aren't covered adequately in plot summaries that I deleted? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "Minor Characters"