Talk:Ryoga Hibiki

message: It shows up in the article 21 times and makes for an annoying read. 76.2.28.13 10:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but the problem is that we couldn't come up with an alternative. Help would be very appreciated. Dave 18:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overuse of the word 'latter' 

message: Building on the above, would anyone like to have a go at tidying up the currently largely awful language and general structure without affecting the content? This would be very appreciated. For some reason I can't muster any interest myself, which would render any effort subpar. Thanks in advance for any help. Dave (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overall structure tidying?

message: Nice job updating this page. My only complaint is the insertion of volume and chapter locations in the article. It would be better if they were done as footnote-type references instead so as not to break up the continuity. Zwaksman 14:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. I've fixed that now, but it takes lots of time, so I'd appreciate extensive help with both this and the other profiles. Dave 16:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: Given the 46-53 explicit references I've put into it, shouldn't this page be A-class by now? Dave 11:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'm giving it a try. Dave 20:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen this; sorry I wasn't clear.  So for an A ranking it has to pass a peer review, while for GA it has to be nominated.  I'm restoring the banner and B assessment for now.  --BrokenSphere 20:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never saw it before. Thanks for the link. I've nominated it for 'GA' for now. If that works out we could try for an 'A', and know that this is a decent model for the other profiles. Dave 13:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: To help this article along with its GA nomination and attempt to avoid (or in the event of) a hold, I suggest that the editors go over it with a fine tooth comb and clean it up following some of the guidelines that are addressed in some of the other GA nominees that were put on hold.  --BrokenSphere 19:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not well-versed in what would need to be changed for this, but I would appreciate help from anyone experienced at this sort of thing. Dave 10:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class? 

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I'm still not certain if it's a good idea to refer non-fluent visitors to order them though, and am likevise not sure how the 'I also checked with a mostly identical/apparently reliable fan-translation I downloaded from a bittorrent archive' bit should be referred. Oh well. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now (hopefully) pasted the appropriate ISBN numbers to all cited references. Dave 20:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ISBN Numbers

message: I modified this to a much smaller (150x228 pixels) size as requested to make it qualify as fair use, but don't know how to tighten the actual display on this page. Help would be appreciated, given that it currently looks too indistinct to properly make out. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To make it fully comply with fair use, you need to write a detailed fair use rationale. -Malkinann 06:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Added rationales and fair use in language for this one and the P-chan one.  --BrokenSphere 17:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Header image

message: Two general points:
*A character "biography" musn't be written as a real biography. The article begins with Ryoga is presented as having first met Ranma in junior high but, as far as I know from watching the anime, the first time we see Royga is when he comes to challenge Ranma after being cursed. The article should read Ryoga is introduced in chapter "X" followed by a description of his first appearance.
**Ok. I wrote the "presented as" bit due to a suggestion from another reviewer. 
*Being a rather long manga and anime series, Ryoga appears lots of times. But a blow-by-blow of his appearances is not needed. If you were to read Sailor Mercury's article, you'd see the character's profile is given in four paragraphs and is more than enough. It is then followed by notes on her portrayal on other media, something this article could use.
**So it's mainly the intro that's a problem then? (That's actually the one section I haven't worked much on) It's ok to have separate 'spoiler' sections, like the "Good and bad moments" or special techniques? I'd really like to keep the special techniques. It took a whole lot of work to compile, and the former is good as an in-depth compilation for afficionados as well. I've pretty much given up on the GA thing, since it may require too much 'meat butchering', and I've spent almost all energy I had for this by now, but general structure and reading access improvements would be great.
On some sections:
*I see you started a section on P-chan, that's good. In there, I'd add the details of how he was cursed, the name of the spring (Eiton'nichuan) and why it's Ranma's fault Ryoga's cursed. Also on how P-chan, to a point, is a different character from Ryoga. (The same way Ranma-chan is different from Ranma-kun)
**Well, it was more like a cut-and-paste from an inappropriate section, but I've filled it out with another relevant part and added a minor detail about changes in behaviour, and genearl nature. I haven't noticed that much difference in personality between them, but if someone else could share/write in some insights that would be welcome.
*The "Special techniques" has too many images. It details some of the fights in the series. 
**Really? I added them a few days ago due to a complaint that there weren't any. Isn't it ok if the scans are so very small and just snippets from fights? Which ones should be kept?
*Also, the section passes judgement on Ryoga's comparable martial arts prowess with lines like may be considerably more developed than that of Shampoo, Mousse, Ranma, or even Cologne. That it's not necessary.
**Ok, I'll change it to simply giving the example, without comment. 
Info that could be added (if found):
*Character creation. Rumiko Takahashi's inspirations for the character.
**I'm not of any help there. Her only comments along these lines that I remember would be that she enjoyed drawing charcters who were very emotional/blatantly expressive, like himself.
*How popular is the character with readers and viewers. Polls where Ryoga appears, sales of Ryoga merchandise, anything.
**I'm not of any help there either, I'm afraid.
*The differences, if any, between the way the voice actors portray Ryoga. :D
**I'm afraid I'm not at all well-versed about the anime either. I've strictly improved the areas I do know about.
That's off the top of my head. If I think of anything better, I'll let you know.
:Ok. Thanks for the help
I've read rumors of a "Ranma" or "Rumiko Takahashi" taskforce to work en masse in these articles. I wonder, what happened with that?--Nohansen 15:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that was Brokensphere's idea, due to his work with creating useful reference pages, and my own with compiling massive 'characterisation reference lists', kept under my user page, so anyone who wants to write or modify the profiles has a handy check-through reference, for footnotes and the like. Feel absolutely free to use/incorporate/improve them into the project at will. It's lacking much of the first and last few volumes, and I didn't have the energy to finish them myself, but it's comparatively limited work for anyone who wishes to continue. I've also compiled a rough 'battle records' reference, which I'd like to put as an official sub-section page, much like the one for Musabetsu Kakuto Ryu special techniques. (We're thinking about moving over all 'self-contained' special techniques to a separate page as well, btw) Dave 22:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made some basic changes, based on the above, but checking Sailor Mercury's profile, it seems like they first describe her, and then take the spoiler-zone history section. Would it be a good idea to restructure it in that manner? I.e. the Profile section first and then the background? Or would that create a dichotomy with other sections?Dave 23:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recommendations

message: I checked up the spoiler description and given the text "Unacceptable alternatives: Deleting relevant, neutral and verifiable information about a narrative work from Wikipedia "because it's a spoiler" instead of properly applying spoiler templates." it seems like this is the path we should follow, instead of cutting out verifiable information. 
In any case, I find the currect format somewhat clunky by nature, since it doesn't use an automatic hide/display function, rather than simple warnings. The former mode was briefly shown here, which is how I noticed it, but later deactivated when I tried to display each topic head but hide the text. Given that I couldn't find a description at the above 'spoiler-page', does anyone know how to modify them to work in this manner, without the centered text display shown in Shampoo's profile when this function was activated. Or do I simply have browser trouble? Dave 22:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers

message: When an article is placed "On Hold", notes should be left on the talk page and there should be a consensus reached. Over three weeks have passed since this article was placed on hold. Be bold and either fail or pass it. The article can always be renominated at a later date. Keep up the good work. Zuracech lordum
:Well, my vote goes for recommending it later, but still trying to greatly improve the structure/readability, and possilbly section it into spoiler-free introduction/in-depth afficionado sections, in the meantime. Dave 18:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to go ahead and fail the article as it seems it won't be ready extremely soon. Please renominate when the article meets the GA criteria. Chubbles 06:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for not failing this article myself, as every time I tried, my browser froze.  Some recommendations that I can make for future development are that the lead be improved per WP:LEAD, the citations should be more complete per WP:CITE#Full citations, and that it should go through a copyedit.  After this, it may be helpful to put it up for Peer review before renominating it. If any regular editors of this article want to object to the failing of this article, please feel free to take it to WP:GA/R.-Malkinann 09:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On hold time limit?

message: If you revert my conversion to redirect please commit to making this an acceptable article. -- allen四names 18:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldredirectful