Talk:Rashidun Caliphate

message: Muslim conquered the spain + portugal in 711 A.D, but in 654 A.D they invaded it for first time by the orders of Caliph Uthman, in 655 when the agitation against uthman grew muslim armies were unable to go further and withdrawl from there outposts, thus it was a only short occupation of the coastal region of Andulus in spain. Thats it, some user here messed up the article because of the same issue so i have explained it now there should be no confussion.
Mohammad Adil 09:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually these were not whole scale invasions, they were what we can more accurately call footholds on ibrean coast lines in 655, before starting some serious actions inland, Muslims abandon those outposts along with coast line of north-western Africa with the start of civil war one year later in 656.
الله أكبرMohammad Adil 16:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  invasion of ibrean panuselia 

message: , this is a talk page. Please use it to discuss your proposals and solicit consensus, instead of repeatedly making unsourced and unexplained changes to the article. Please also see the previous discussions above. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 20:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: :User:Abdullah Hill Mahin Do Not Edit War by adding Images without consensus, As you are now Edit Warring Over this page. Untamed1910 (talk) 02:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Not Edit War without consensus 

message: Hello, before anyone who wants to remove the flag. Let me explain, in the , it is mentioned that people said it would've been the same flag as Muhammad which is black as seen in the Conquest of Mecca. Syazwi Irfan (talk) 08:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In the what? Either way, any claims about a flag need to be supported explicitly by reliable sources. R Prazeres (talk) 09:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Ibn Abbas, he said that the Muhammad's standard (Raya) was black and his banner (Liwa) white. Syazwi Irfan (talk) 09:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Syazwi Irfan, Wikipedia is based on what is explicitly said by reliable (and secondary) sources. The source you cited was not one of those. (Please also look at original research policy, which is relevant here.) I doubt that there is clear support in reliable sources for identifying something like an official flag of the Rashidun caliphs, but if there is, I recommend you present the sources here first so that we can verify them. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 17:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: I've noticed that neither 's map added here nor the previous map (, ) reference any sources. As with other content, the article should use a map based on reliable sources. The new map goes a step further by introducing additional WP:OR in the form of provincial borders and an alleged banner (which has been repeatedly removed from the infobox in the past), so I'm reverting to the former map, even if the latter remains ultimately unsourced as well.
I had a quick look through Category:Maps of the Rashidun Caliphate but I haven't found a map that's a clear improvement. One reliable source that could be used as basis for a new map is Sluglett & Currie 2014 (which is accessible on archive.org here and maybe visible on Google Books preview), which has a relevant map of the period (#3, pp. 16-17). Another potential source is Ruthven & Nanji 2004 (pp. 28-29). There are a couple of other scholarly historical atlases that illustrate this as well, but I don't think they're as easily accessible (e.g. An Historical Atlas of Islam by Hugh Kennedy, 2002). R Prazeres (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map