Talk:History of Georgetown University

message: Hopefully I can expand this into a full History of Georgetown University page at some point.--Patrickneil 05:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Georgetown

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message: Can someone explain why 1634 is the founding date? It says Jesuits arrived then, that's it. Did they found the school that became Georgetown then or something? --AW 17:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1634 isn't the founding date, but it is important in the founding of the school. The school is in the location that it is because of 1634. Andrew White, according to his letter and those of other Jesuits, set up a catechism school, but it had to go underground under protestant administration. John Carroll is the link between the school of this lineage and Georgetown. That school became another became one Carroll attended for one year. There are however references, such as on the building pictured, to 1634 on Georgetown's campus.--Patrick Ѻ 18:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, well then I think that should be in the article. it's sort of introduced but not really explained --AW 18:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It also says "The founding of Georgetown University took place on two main dates, 1634 and 1789." --AW 18:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1634?

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message: I have now twice removed the section titled 'Reconciliation' for the following reasons; I will move through each portion of the section methodically and explain my rationale. As this is an article on the history of Georgetown, the fact that it sold 272 slaves is notable and should be included. This fact is already included and thoroughly expounded upon and cited in the fifth paragraph of Early growth. There is no information contained in this new reconciliation section regarding the historical sale that is not already present earlier in the article. After the first sentence of Reconciliation, there is no information that is salient to the article, as it describes very recent occurrences (which almost certainly are tainted by [[WP:RECENTISM])] and are not consequential in the history of the University. The naming of an individual who is said to have started a project of recognize the said historical facts is certainly not notable. The mention of a temporary working group whose existence lasted around one year is not notable. The renaming of buildings is not notable, since this article does not detail any other naming or renaming of buildings, which has occurred many times in its history. The legacy status is not notable, since no other aspect of the admissions process is mentioned in the article and this would suffer from WP:UNDUE. The composition of the working group or lack thereof is not notable, because if the working group itself is not notable, its membership surely is not. The meeting of two hundred people on a specific date in 2017 is definitely not notable, since the meeting was neither tremendous in size or publicity nor consequential in its symbolic outcome, which was of importance only to few within the university, not to the public at large that will read this article. Lastly, inclusion of a red link to a minor project within the university is not notable.
In short, the historical event of the sale of slaves is notable, since it had large bearing on the university and received large publicity as of late. For this reason, it is already mentioned in detail previously in the article. The recent events themselves surrounding the "reconciliation" of that past event are not notable. Ergo Sum  18:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: @User:Ergo Sum, the source was a statement put out by the university itself. Whether you believe it is "silly" or not is merely your opinion. That is, your point of view. Insisting on eradicating any mention of Indigenous history is itself a "political" position that favors settler colonialism and white supremacy. I would say it is "silly" to exterminate mention of this Indigenous history when the institution itself has done so. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I will ask you to observe the WP:NOPA policy rather than make silly implications of "settler colonialism and white supremacy" against me. Second, your opinion of what Georgetown has or has not "exterminated" does not affect whether something is both NPOV and relevant to an article. As I said in my edit summary, well over a century separated the founding of the university and any potential inhabitation of the campus by any American Indian tribe. Nor have we seen any reliable indication that any tribe inhabited the campus, particularly, as opposed to, say the western Chesapeake region, generally. Therefore, while it is appropriate to discuss which tribes inhabited which regions and to what extent on the articles of those states or regions, it is not appropriate here. The fact that any institution might itself make take some public political or moral stance regarding American Indian history does not change Wikipedia's NPOV, materiality, and relevance requirements for article content. Otherwise, virtually every WP article about any North American company, institution, school, etc. would begin with text about what native tribe resided in a general region and potentially the specific location of that institution - a clearly untenable and unadvisable proposition. Ergo Sum  20:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: White supremacy

message: Healy received his degree from Holy Cross College, Massachusetts, in 1850 thirteen years before Boston College was founded. Therefore the claim that his alma mater was Boston College needs to be corrected. If I have mistaken who the pronoun he refers too, it is highly unlikely (to say the least) that Healy's father was educated at Boston College and in France.  Technically Healy's degree was issued by Georgetown itself because, due to anti-Catholic prejudice, Holy Cross could not issue degrees until 1865. Until then, clever fellows the Jesuits, Holy Cross degrees were signed by the President of Georgetown to circumvent the Massachusetts legislature. 2600:8800:4684:BD00:D82D:A80:6CB1:C924 (talk) 03:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  President Patrick Francis Healy - Correct Education