Talk:Nissan Skyline

message: I removed a couple of photos from certain sections, as there seems to be too many photos for some models and not very many for others. Was creating too much white space as well. Also, the ones i removed were of the same model, or close to, of photos already on the page for that generation. If people want to see what the cars look like in more detail, there are numerous search engines out there to do so!
Instead of eighty pics of each car model variation, perhaps photos of different models should take a priority.
SkylineObsession (talk) 12:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Someone had mentioned, in the article, that the R34's 6-speed Getrag is stronger (i assume they mean stronger than the previous 5-speed).  this is very incorrect.  it is very much universally agreed upon that the Getrag 6-speed is considerably weaker than the R32/33 5-speed.  i removed the word 'stronger' from the mention, not because i know that it is weaker, but simply because the claim in unsupported.   Impreziv (talk) 07:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: R34 Getrag 6-speed, Stronger?

message: The 1980 Toyota MA42 Celica Supra was powered by the M-TUE, a turbocharged 145hp 2.0L SOHC 12 valve straight six derived from the 2000GT.  Following Toyota's typical production runs, this means this 1980 model year was introduced between August and September 1979.  If this article is going to claim that the Skyline's L20ET was Japan's first turbocharged production engine, we will need sources to verify the first month of production of this model Skyline.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.220.157 (talk) 06:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * please note, that in the Japanese market, cars do not follow "model years" like we do in North America.  a car's "year" is EXACTLY its manufacture month/year.  if you are talking about a 1980 Celica, it was made and delivered in 1980!  Impreziv (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: L20ET being claimed as first Japanese turbocharged engine

message: What does anybody think about adding a section mentioning the trend for transplanting the RB30 engine into the Skyline? Banalt 20:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Not a bad idea, but the topic is covered more or less on the RB Engine page.. I'm not sure it's overly essential thus.Dread Specter 22:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: * It isnt really notable information.  Refer to Wikipedia's guidelines on Notability.  think about this in another context..  would it be worth mentioning in an article about Strawberrys, that some people like eating them with Whipping Cream?  no, that kind of information isn't Encyclopedic.    Impreziv (talk) 07:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: * Thanks for sharing....     Impreziv (talk) 07:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RB30 Engine Transplants 

message: What is the deal with splitting up (in particular, R32, R33 and R34 sections) the short model summary's into GT-R and non GT-R models? This has been done with R33 and R34 but not the R32 section? For consistancy's sake should the R32 section have the GT-R models listed seperately too? (SkylineObsession 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GT-R's & non GT-R's  

message: "The names were brought into line with the home U.S. and Japanese markets with the launch of the FJR30 series in 1981". That part of the article reads like the skyline was introduced in the US with  the dr30 series, which is false as far as I know ( No skyline were sold by nissan in the US).
Also, someone wrote that "the skyline was introduced in mainstream by Gran turismo", or so. That's not factual, so I'm removing it. I don't think there is any general consensus about that statement.
Dread Specter 03:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, definitely. Thanks for clarifying that information. Dread Specter 00:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information that don't make sense ; please review 

message: I see there's a bit of changing going on with regard to GT-R turbos.  I think that what is in the article now is not correct, but I'm not going to change it now.  Specifically, according to my information, the R34 N1 turbo supports higher power than the R33 N1 turbo.  Here's the information I have, if you have more information or different information, please contribute:
Stock Turbo
*R32 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.48 Ceramic Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
*R33 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.48 Ceramic Turbine, Ball(?) Bearing
*R34 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.53 Turbine A/R 0.48 Steel Turbine, Ball Bearing
N1 Turbo
*R32 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
*R33 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.42 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Sleeve Bearing
*R34 GT-R - Compressor A/R 0.53 Turbine A/R 0.64 Steel Turbine, Ball Bearing
All the compressor & turbine housings are identical externally (including size), apart from A/R markings.  The difference are in the internal machining, the shape of the wheels, and the core.  The standard R32 & R33 turbos have slightly different compressor characteristics, even though the A/R is the same.  The N1 R32 & R33 turbos are identical, no changes made between models.
To further confuse thing, Nissan/Garrett produced another lot of turbos for Group A.  I've got conflicting information about that. 210.0.100.153 10:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GT-R Turbos Stock & N1

message: Most overrated car in the history of automobiles. Perhaps a tie with the Toyota Supra CJ DUB 18:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most overrated car ever? 

message: "In 1999, a revised chassis and incremental updates to the GT-R model proved once and for all that the R34 was one of the fastest all-around cars in the world. It has held many track records and won many JGTC championships."
Im aware that the Skyline GTR's are fast cars, but saying its "One of the fastest all-round cars in the world" is a bit questionable. Fast, yes, but what about the likes of the Porsche 911? Also, a JGTC Skyline is extremely different from a road going Skyline. In America, if Ford said that the Ford Fusion could reach speeds over 180mph, they'd be lying. So the same should apply here.
:Porsche 911 is a comparable car in performance. For example watch Best Motoring International Vol 2., Vol 3., unmodified 911s & 966s race unmodified GT-Rs amongst others.  The sentence was "one of the fastest" not "the fastest" and it is.  JGTC cars are restricted in output, some of the special edition Skylines are more powerful. 210.0.100.153 12:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HAHAHA. No it's not. Skylines are overrated. Stock, showroom Porsche 911s are by leaps and bound superior performers to stock and BUYABLE Skylines (i.e. no one off or Z-tune nonsense). CJ DUB 02:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I enjoy the futility of arguing about cars on the internet.  The Nurburgring production lap record was set by all the R32-34 GTRs upon their debut.  The superior Porsche 911s could not match the GTRs speed, even with more horsepower to draw upon.  It was a Porsche 966 that finally beat the R34 record. 210.0.100.153 06:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you all want to keep going?  Or stop like you should?  This is a talk page that contains article related discussion.  This has obviously degraded into something else.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 18:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Nordschleife is one of the measures of a sports car.  Several times in recent history, a GT-R has been the fastest production car on the Ring.  This (or other concrete measures) would qualify the statement.  Otherwise perhaps it should be removed? 210.0.100.153 09:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop living in the past. The Skyline has rested on its laurels; the lap times you speak of were surpassed YEARS ago. Have a look here: 1. You can see that the best Skyline record was rapidly eclipsed by a Porsche 993 and a few years later by the Corvette C5/Z06, not the new one. CJ DUB 06:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wasn't the GTR V Spec the fastest "all wheel drive" car around the nurburgring (not fastest RWD)? I'm not sure about the GT2 or the GT3, can someone clarify?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.99.233 (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey man, I'm just citing a page that lists about 15-20 automotive authorities that have tested cars on the Ring. I think they kinda know more than you. The Skyline records were surpassed soon after they were made. Since then there have been MUCH faster cars on the ringCJ DUB 14:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Thanks for sticking to facts and not opinions everyone... and please respect the "no personnal attacks" policy, even if you don't agree with someone, and rather remind that user to stick to useful content to wikipedia. Let's remember this is not a forum...
Thanks. Dread Specter 03:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One of the fastest all-around cars in the world

message: I dunno about you, but this looks to me like a copy/paste of a press release, which is a violation of Wikipedia rules? --293.xx.xxx.xx 07:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The future in the United States = Press release 

message: I've edited the information regarding the R31 series skylines, in particular the redtop RB20DET motors.
It seems many people don't know that there exists 3 distinctly different redtop RB20 variants; 
-the early "NICS" motors which are identifiable by a NICS plate on the top of the intake, and the use of twelve small intake runners from the plenum to the cylinder head, leading to a butterfly plate which reduces effective port size at low revs for better response (basically closes off 6 runners). Tentatively I'd say these were 1986-late 1987 production.
-the later "ECCS" motors which adopt the ECCS system, as well as a new manifold with six much larger runners instead of 12 small ones, but still retains the butterfly plate. The turbocharger is slightly better than the NICS item, and the electronics slightly more sophisticated.
My best guess is that the ECCS motors were from late 1987/early 1988 until production ended, my personal car, a 1988 HR31 GTS coupe, has the ECCS motor.
- RB20DET-R "ECCS" with a large T04(?) sized turbo on a stainless steel tube manifold, and a large front mounted intercooler. This motor was fitted to the limited Group A homologation production of the HR31 GTS-R, and made 210ps. It may or may not have different camshafts and other internal differences. It is possibly identifiable by the "RB20DET-R" intake manifold badge.
Please note the HR31 ECCS motor and the HCR32 ECCS motors are NOT the same, the block, head, intake manifolds, turbos, electronics and many other components are completely different.
seventhskyline@gmail.com
220.253.133.29 13:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the information, I had been wondering about that.  The old ECCS thing is funny, it's a JECS board, which was a joint Nissan/Bosch venture.  Was NICS a Nissan only effort?  I found it strange that I used to have ECCS on a 1984 L20ET, and yet there were RBs later than that running on something else.  It'd be nice to know the history behind the engine control. 210.0.100.153 23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HR31 Skylines 

message: GT-R Engine VQ36DETT
According to this, it is a 3.6L twin turbo.  This front is quite different again from the Tokyo Auto Salon prototype, has some family resemblance to the BNR34 to my eyes.  Still waiting for some different sources.  Anyone else seen anything?
Also it's got a big Skyline badge between the signature afterburners.  So perhaps it will be a Skyline after all? RB30DE 21:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe I have seen those shots before, and I wouldn't be so quick to consider it accurate.  Show an announcement from nissan stating such, or confirmations independent of this site and it would be worth noting.  If it goes in the article for now be sure to note the fact that it is as of this moment simply as claim made by an independent web site.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 05:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GT-R Engine Confirmed?

message: Right now we have three conflicting years for the introduction of the Skyline. The model history says '52, the sidebar says '57 and '55. Can anyone shed some light into this? Bal00 00:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a source for 1955 so added that, in the absence of anything else. RB30DE 23:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Found [Nissan] themselves saying 1957 so changed it to that. RB30DE 07:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1952? 1955? 1957? Which is it?

message: Did the Skylines come out with the ATTESA system?  Don't confuse this with the ATTESA E-TS system... I haven't looked through the article for Viscous yet however this showed up in search.  I think Viscous diffs are used in ATTESA and electronically controlled ones used in ATTESA E-TS.  --203.118.135.21 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attesa 

message: This article is reasonably long now, and contains a fair bit of detail about the RB engines and the GT-Rs.  How about moving some of the detail to Nissan RB engine & Nissan Skyline GT-R?  Also Nismo GT-R Z-Tune is a bit of orphan, how about merging that into Nissan Skyline GT-R? RB30DE 22:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move engine & GT-R information?

message: Many of the images that have just appeared are from here:
http://www.nissan.co.jp/MUSEUM/SKYLINE/
I'm looking at FUC and I'm still unclear about whether these qualify as fair use or not. RB30DE 20:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair Use, Publicity Photos, Copyright Issues - I think they're probably OK, so long as they are tagged, and so long as they are not used when a free alternative exists.  On a side note, the smaller image size (the images recently grew then shrank) displays and renders a lot better on my monitor (1024x768 default font size) RB30DE 21:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Images

message: I've updated all the generations and the entire page with the new Infobox style that is in use on Automobile articles. I have left in all of the extra options (for example: length, height, weight, etc.). So please feel free to fill in all of the information. Thanks. ren0talk 17:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New infoboxes

message: Not sure how Wikipedia handles plagiarism, but the Nissan Skyline article is near identical to this allexperts.com article:
http://en.allexperts.com/e/n/ni/nissan_skyline.htm
Looks like someone at allexperts.com cut and paste. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.170.206.82 (talk) 23:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a (slightly outdated) mirror. RB30DE 12:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism? 

message: Can someone point me to the guidelines that necessitated the removal of the Skyline's appearances in media?  The IMCDb doesn't have half the information that was posted here before... ~ Dusk Knight 05:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...but I am very sure what those at WikiProject Automobiles will tell you, a big automatic no, if you got anything to say, go have a mention to them about this, but I won't be surprised if that is a no answer. For the time being I have purged this list. Willirennen 23:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in media 

message: This section has been cleaned out Per WP:EL.  If anyone feels a link removed belongs, please explain.  At the surface they all appear to violate WP:EL as community links or spam and should not be reinserted without discussion.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do bear in mind there is a rule against forums being placed on the ext link. On teh above link, please refer to section 4, number 11 as this is about forums. Willirennen 16:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the link is a link to a forum / fansite / community site and as a result is non acceptable under WP:EL, nor would it be acceptable as a reference in most cases.  The only exception to this would be official recognition as a resource by either Nissan, or some recognized automotive bureau. --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 19:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I noticed that there was no mention of the most influential asset of the GT-R: the computer. It should be noted that several variants of the ATTESA ET-S active driving computer were produced by Nissan for the GT-R's active driving computer. It's no secret that there were incremental updates to the system with each new generation from BNR32 to BNR34, but V-spec packages received a slightly different version. For the BCNR33 and BNR34, ATTESA-ETS Pro was fitted to V-spec models. The primary differences between the ATTESA ET-S and ATTESA ET-S Pro were: increased (allegedly doubled) polling rate of driving condition data to the central computer, adjustments to the active centre differential's behavior under conditions of slip (they were adjusted to allow greater levels of slip and responded more quickly for more aggressive driving), control of new front and rear torque converters to adjust for each individual wheel (this one is unconfirmed for the BCNR33 and BNR32 generations), and support for wheel-independent anti-lock brakes.
Not much is known about how ATTESA ET-S was configured for V-spec packages in the R32 generation because of very low production quantities of said V-spec, and the R32 generation used mechanical triggers to poll the computer, whereas the R33 and R34 generations introduced fully computerized monitoring. The revised ET-S Pro was introduced with the BCNR33 in 1995, so I don't know what changes to the system were made for the BNR32 V-spec and N1. Cheers, --Setsunakute (talk) 07:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different ATTESA driving computer in V-spec variants 

message: I'm pretty positive that the new GTR is already available for purchase in Japan, however, this article words it in a way that makes it seem like it hasent been released.Mkid1 (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New GTR 

message: any information on what platform the r34 uses?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.227.219 (talk) 05:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  R34 platform? 

message: The Entire R35 Section needs to be deleted. The R35 GTR is no way connected to the current Skyline family. They are completely different models and should be treated as such.
But it is, for years the Sklyline GT-R was always Nissan's main techincal flagship. Anyways the Skyline name always comes hand in hand wit the GT-R badge - Darren  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.198.194 (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  R35 GTR Section

message: In the R32 GT-R sub-section, it is mentioned that the car's victory at Bathurst (Australia) in '91 and '92 led Australia's motoring press to dub it 'Godzilla'.
This is wrong and misleading.
Wheels magazine reviewed the car in their July '89 edition. The cover was a shot of the R32 with the word 'Godzilla' above it. That is where the name came from. The GT-R's victories at Bathurst only prompted the Australian Touring Car authorities to ban it for being too competitive...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.109.5 (talk) 12:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  R32 'Godzilla' 

message: This is a completely made up thing, which has never existed or would exist to this day.
The only things I could find regarding this, were sales posts on various forums of R33 GTS-T's, with GT-R front end conversions or RB25DET to RB26DETT engine swaps.
A few posts from June of 2015 have cited however, that a "GTS-R" is real and a very rare car, which everyone should sought after.
I highly believe, that the Wikipedia article has been modified by the same person, looking to fool people about their car being worth more and trying therefore to justify the ridiculous asking price.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.93.105.187 (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  R33 GTS-R 

message: Reference is made to the 'South Australian market' in the S54 section. Surely this was not restricted to South Australia? South Australia is a very small market, in fact less than half that of New Zealand (4.47 million vs 1.67 million). Should this be the 'Australian market' or was it confused with the South Africa market ? Terrybebb (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: South Australian market?

message: http://www.nismo.co.jp/Z-tune/data_e/1.html
It wasn't a production model, just a package of parts that Nismo Omori would install to an R32/R33/R34 Skyline GT-R that is now deprecated with the new demo cars developed. Some clarification in the R32 section would help.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.232.97.20 (talk) 01:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The R32 S-Tune needs some elucidation on what it is 

message: That's a massive paragraph, and the formatting and punctuation on it are absolutely bizarre. Someone should revise it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zukriuchen (talk • contribs) 09:34, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  R33 GT-R section 

message: What is the price of r34 @2018. Nuwantha Tharindu (talk) 13:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a price guide, see WP:NOTCATALOGUE. 36.78.95.112 (talk) 12:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: This is a dubious claim, in the last paragraph for the lead-in.  I don't delete such things without researching, but I can't find a single source that supports this claim.  I'll leave this for a couple weeks with the tag, then delete it unless someone finds an actual Guinness verified record on the Guinness site to corroborate the claim.2600:8804:80:2280:809D:484A:71B:F5E (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Guinness World Record" for "most skylines"?