Talk:LP (singer)

message: The use of the pronoun "they" makes good portion of the article unintelligible. For instance "LP has been in a relationship with singer Lauren Ruth Ward since 2015. Together they have a Griffon Bruxellois named Orson. "Lost on You" is about their breakup with ex-girlfriend Tamzin Brown." Does that mean that the two people broke up with a third one or that LP broke up said Tamzin Brown? 
Also, I thought such a political hot potato would not be something that should bias the writing style and objectivity of Wikipedia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.183.13.120 (talk) 20:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone appears to have reverted some of your changes back to they and them, which makes much of tis article unreadable. It would be great if someone would go back to she and her since she has said that she uses she and her. Right now, it reads like two people broke up with Tamzin Brown. Tim Neely 22:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronoun

message: The early career section doesn't really reflect her early career.  LP originally appeared as a backing vocalist on Cracker's 1998 release "Gentleman's Blues" and also provided vocals on one hidden track "My Cinderella".  http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1033264/a/Gentleman%27s+Blues.htm
She then collaborated with David Lowery and Johnny Hickman of Cracker on her first CD release in 2001: "Heart Shaped Scar".  http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Shaped-Scar-L-P/dp/B00005J71J
She toured extensively in support of this and her 2004 release, "Suburban Sprawl and Alcohol": http://www.amazon.com/Suburban-Sprawl-Alcohol-L-P/dp/B000274TQW
Neither release gained much attention or airplay, which lead up to the first SXSW appearance noted in the current article.
Sorry, I'm no Wikipedia editor.  I'm just providing this info in hopes that someone will properly update the "Early Career" section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.242.150 (talk) 08:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, you want something done, etc.   So I changed "Early Career" to reflect her actual early career and changed the later section header to 2006 - 2010.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolandgunner (talk • contribs) 22:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

text: The entire Early Career section was wiped from an anonymous IP even though sources were cited.  Seems like vandalism to me.  Rolandgunner (talk) 02:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Career 

message: Laura isn't from NYC, she was raised on Long Island, NY.  She was in a band called Lionfish for many years, in NYC, and when they began to garner considerable interest, David Lowery approached them for production.  Lionfish was the product of Laura and Alicia Goldberg, who did the song writing, production, promotion, booked their gigs, recruited the musicians and played amazing bass guitar.  While this was going on, Laura waited tables and took singing lessons.  After their first meeting with Lowery, Laura dumped Lionfish, recruited the musicians to come with her, but left the other woman behind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSeaweed (talk • contribs) 15:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Got a reliable source for that info? JFHJr (㊟) 04:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.lprock.com/bio.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSeaweed (talk • contribs) 17:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see. The source you've provided is a self-publication by the subject. It can't be used to support statements about third parties (Lowery; the "other woman"). Otherwise, the contents do not support the assertion that the subject was raised on Long Island. It also doesn't say much about the subject's role in Lionfish, or her waiting tables. So from that source, you could only say she was the frontperson for Lionfish. JFHJr (㊟) 19:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you are going to edit with a meat cleaver, why don't you do a little homework of your own to fill in the blanks in this article? Jrgilb (talk) 04:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

text: If some other editor cares enough about this, they will need to spend the time to properly cite their source material that they write with. Since this is a living person, it's necessary to be more stringent as to content. That said, this article and the associated album articles need to be revisited for a  possible rewrite. As an example, it is noted at the top of the talk page here that this is of interest to the LGBT community, however there is no mention of anything in the primary article. So someone will need to spend some time on the article. I am time constrained atm. Nodekeeper (talk) 08:14, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

text: While not disputing what you are saying, I'm afraid that without any references, the above cannot be used. I did a search on Lionfish but could not find any references, except for a lesbian music blog. No Alicia Goldberg with any music connection appears. A search on Richard got me to an obituary for Richard Sr.; a lawyer, from 2006. It lists a daughter Laura resident in Hollywood/New York City. That could possibly be her, but does not confirm her date of birth and needs other references to verify. A quick search on the LDS family search website has Laura A. Pergolizzi residing in New York in 2008. By this stage LP had moved to Los Angeles, this casts doubt on the above being in reference to the same person. Karst (talk) 12:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I googled Richard as well, and read that he "graduated from the Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine in 1993." If he is indeed her brother, then of course there could be like a 10-year age difference between the siblings, but I guess it's also possible that there is some truth in Bawdyinlay's claims. However, I think we should go with what can be sourced here. — Mayast (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Year of birth topic moved in specific paragraph below. --82.56.16.124 (talk) 04:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: I wouldn't like to step on anyone's toes here, but I think the article should be moved from L.P. (singer) to LP (singer). The spelling without the dots is being used on LP's official website, iTunes, Facebook, Warner Bros. Records website, etc. I don't see any reason for the current spelling. — Mayast (talk) 21:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As it has been over two months and nobody replied here, I requested the move. Mayast (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move to [[LP (singer)]] 

message: This article appears to support the earlier date of birth. It mentioned the Walt Whitman high school, the passing of both parents and, crucially, the brother who is neurosurguon: https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/12/Lp-laura-pergolizzi-interview-songwriter-singer-rihanna-cher-christina-aguilera . However, to add to the confusion, it also set her age at 37. Karst (talk) 07:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: My preferred option would be to omit the year of birth since it is disputed, but I'm also happy to go along with Nazar's suggestion above (to include both referenced years, and let the reader take their choice).  This option seems to be the consensus.  Dbfirs 07:52, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The alumni directory reference used in the article now isn't affiliated with the school – is this a reliable enough source for the correct graduation year? Rhinopias (talk) 04:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think so, but her publicity department and their supporters don't think so.  They need to discuss their opinions here instead of edit-warring.  Dbfirs 20:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: New Statesman article

message: Happened across this article and saw the "year disputed" note in the lead as well as an anonymous user changing her birthday in the body.
Then I look on the talk page. No, it does not actually look to be disputed. I see a massive amount of unreliable sources and a bunch of new users saying the same thing over the course of years (all of which seem to have some kind of ax to grind). 
The website says 1981. Elle and WSJ support that. No reliable source has been brought forward on the level of either of those. Someone's unofficial alumni website, the "copyright encyclopedia", etc. are not reliable sources, and Wikipedia isn't interested in primary source detective work. 
Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.
Maybe she's older? Maybe there's a lot about her that's not in the article. If you make a suggestion to add something, you'll need to bring a reliable source.
Remember that WP:BLP applies on talk pages, too. Any negative commentary about a subject that isn't backed up by sources should just be removed. I just removed one section and plan to look for nontrivial issues in the above. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:33, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with your assessment of the reliability of social media and publicity sources, but would you be happy with the alternative solution suggested above by Nazar?  You will see that there is now a contradiction in the article after I reverted an earlier falsification (not by you). Dbfirs 17:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLPSELFPUB regarding use of what an individual says, and I've not suggested using social media. My main point is that I've not seen where anyone has presented any reliable source at all challenging the 1981 birthday. The Walt Whitman High School website is just some unofficial page that says it has no connection with the school. No reason to believe it's correct, so I've gone ahead and removed it (along with the claim, since it's not the sort of essential information that should just be cn-tagged). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:33, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidance to which you link says that self-published information can be used provided that: "there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and the article is not based primarily on such sources.".  Many people here have raised reasonable doubt, and provided sources (see above).  If you think we should go with her publicity machine and ignore the contrary evidence, then I'm tired of arguing.  I know nothing about the subject and got involved only through a request on the help page.  This is not the only article where false years of birth have been pushed.  Do we allow people to be any age they wish?  Dbfirs 06:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a reasonable concern. I mean, I don't want Wikipedia used for promotion, but going by what the reliable sources say isn't promotion. If all the reliable sources have been duped, then that's still what we should have. A few people -- mainly SPAs, it seems -- have expressed doubt, but we're not looking for original research from Wikipedia users or from unreliable sources. "Reasonable doubt" needs to be based on reliable sources. It's entirely possible that through the threads above I've missed something -- where was the reliable source that introduces doubt? It's true that because Wikipedia relies on published sources, if someone exercises tight control over what's written about them, their Wikipedia page may reflect inaccuracies built into that fictional persona. Likewise if all the history books present a false narrative, if someone comes up on Wikipedia and says "I was there; the narrative is false" it won't count for anything. We have to wait until some other reliable source publishes the contradicting information first. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that the "I was there" arguments are of no use to Wikipedia, but the original article on Wikipedia said 1968, and earlier independent articles about the subject said 1968.  The reference to laut.de has been removed by recent pushers of the 1981 date.  I might put it back because it seems as reliable a source as the British and American publicity magazines.  Dbfirs 06:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree with the yearbook source above me, but can we at least agree to disagree and remove any data, since the article is currently probably postulating falsehoods? Quasiteilchen (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop changing dates without reliable sources 

message: LP use they/them pronuons.
 “I’m kind of transitioning over to the they/them [pronoun] thing — it's more my kind of vibe,” they said. 
This is from an interview In 2021. Here is the website: 
https://www.thecorsaironline.com/corsair/2021/10/27/lp-shoots-for-authenticity Holahola112 (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Use of the singular they is confirmed on the artist's website. Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Actually per MOS:SINGULARTHEY, they/their are appropriate. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: (Note to others) : <<Tim Neely>> actual user name is User:Tneely Special:Contributions/Tneely (talk) per Special:Diff/1180478247 --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronuons  

message: I had tag a pronoun notice as "they/them", according to their official website --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronoun Notice Tag