Talk:Delphi (software)

message: Why were all the Delphi related links removed?  Could they not be consolidated?  Useful information that was removed for apparently no reason.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.216.70.62 (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LINKS 

message: Isn't the current last pp a rather blatant ad? - Jon Shemitz 08:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I tried to rewrite it. Futurix 08:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I've re-included HeidiSQL.
It was removed by Futurix as being an ad, but it hardly is - the paragraph is after all named "products developed with Delphi", which HeidiSQL fits nicely.  There doesn't seem to be any official lower limit on the amount of users a product needs to have, but with 500 daily downloads on SourceForge (see project statistics), I doubt that HeidiSQL falls far behind other listed products such as eg. FuturixImager. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.242.183.118 (talk • contribs) 
:Paragraph is about "well-known" software, and number of downloads is not considered as guideline for popularity (even so - from current data I see that it has about 200 downloads daily for the latest release, which frankly seems to be quite low). Futurix 23:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Product list 

message: I removed this about Virtual Pascall
:Nevertheless, of the free alternatives, it is still the one with the best polished IDE and debugger though Free Pascal is getting close.
It may very well be true but it's unsourced Nil Einne 18:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed statement 

message: Would it be applicable to have a section that went through the different versions and mentioned the features that were added with each release? This information is something that seems pertinent -- showing the growth of Delphi -- and does not seem to have been collected anywhere else on the web. Unfortunately, I do not have enough experience with Delphi to even begin something like this, but I'd be extremely interested in reading it. Kdring (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Features / versions? 

message: The history about the name is somewhat inaccurate. Though Danny may have chosen the name, it was the name of a field test beta (following "mango", I think). The Delphi release was so functional and so close to a releasable product (and "AppBuilder" sucked so much), that field testers requested that the name "Delphi" remain.
The source for this version of the story is my own experience, but there are dozens of "AppBuilder" testers that can validate it.
--Juanco (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name 

message: Since CodeGear has been sold to Embarcadero, Delphi is no longer a Borland product in any way, shape or form.  Hence, the title of this article is now inaccurate.  I propose moving it to "CodeGear Delphi" but I'd like to see if there are dissenting opinions before doing so. --Craig Stuntz (talk) 13:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about changing the name to match the actual product, RAD Studio? Perhaps this article should be split into two, one for the RAD Studio IDE, and another cross-linked page for the Delphi component (as well as a link to a C++Builder page). The Delphi page could contain the Delphi .Net information, or that could be separated onto yet another page (since it appears the two languages may diverge more in the future).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.167.5 (talk) 15:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I like the name "CodeGear Delphi".  Dr93241 (talk) 17:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

text: According to (CG) discussion thread about the most suitable and stable new name for the Delphi article, the name "CodeGear Delphi" seems to have good support, and it would be supported also by the owning company (even though the comany name is different, which is an important point). This fact is significant since it would ensure that the name  "CodeGear Delphi" would be stable over time. I think it's very clear that "CodeGear Delphi" is the best new name and that the article should be moved as soon as possible (preferrably by trusted Craig Stuntz), and that other titles, like "Delphi IDE", "Delphi (programming tool)" etc can be added as redirects to help people find the article. // Rolf Lampa (RIL-sv (talk) 17:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  CodeGear Delphi is fine with me. The only other sensible choice is Delphi (integrated development environment), which is a bit iffy. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

text: To find out if there is a wiki standard I checked Eclipse and Visual Studio. The first is named Eclipse_(software). The second one Microsoft_Visual_Studio. Delphi_(software) is still available and so is CodeGear Delphi. Janderk (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Delphi (software) is ambiguous because Object Pascal is often referred to as "Delphi". "Microsoft Visual Studio" is a registered trademark. There's no direct analogy here. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to "CodeGear Delphi"? 

message: Somewhere in the Wikipedia guidelines I saw "External links should be suggested in the article's talk page", so... suggested external link...
Tutorials and "How To"s for Delphi programmers
http://sheepdogguides.com/tut.htm
I didn't see anything about how the suggestion proceeds to becoming a link...
Tkbwik (talk) 16:51, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link suggestion 

message: Since the name "CodeGear Delphi" is obsolete now, this article should be moved again! I would strongly suggest to choose a durable name like Delphi (software development environment) this time. Paladin75 (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Yet another move/renaming?

message: Having owned a copy of Kylix, what I have written was from direct experience at the time of purchasing the software. Linux was still for uber-geeks (and Kylix was really a step above a teaching language, appealing to the same market as the VB crowd), being Pascal-based. Borland hurt themselves when they decided to base Kylix on the WINE libraries, the same mentality that Corel used to base their Wordperfect Office 2000 for Linux suite on WINE. It was, and remains a very lame set of libraries to base any serious project on. Wordperfect was at its best when it was based on glibc (remember those days); and Kylix would have been infinitely more stable had it been based on that instead of WINE. This, combined with the slow adoption of Linux, as mentioned, caused sales of Kylix to go south. Paul E J King (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kylix blurb 

message: Though the introduction claims it was once called by this name, the history section mentions nothing about it. -109.67.201.158 (talk) 16:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inprise 

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message: Delphi is a commercial product.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shareware?? 

message: First, the definition of shareware:
The term shareware (also known as trialware or demoware) refers to proprietary software that is provided to users without payment on a trial basis and is often limited by any combination of functionality, availability, or convenience.  Shareware is often offered as a download from an Internet website or as a compact disc included with a periodical such as a newspaper or magazine.  The rationale behind shareware is to give buyers the opportunity to use the program and judge its usefulness before purchasing a license for the full version of the software.
— Shareware 
Well, correct me if I am wrong but according to this source, Delphi matches the definition above and is therefore a trialware, demoware or shareware (whichever you prefer). Fleet Command (talk) 21:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is only a 30-day free trial of a commercial product.  It does not fit the definition of shareware or the others.  See this.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

text: From shareware: "The term shareware is used in contrast to retail software, which refers to commercial software available only with the purchase of a license which may not be copied for others..." Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being ambiguous. What are you talking about? Explain yourself. Fleet Command (talk) 04:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The use of Delphi past the free trial period requires the purchase of a license and it may not be copied for others.  Therefore it is retail software and not shareware. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Excuse me? That is the case with every single piece of trialware; trialware can only be used for a limited time (= trial). No single piece of trialware is available after the trial is expired. If it was available indefinitely, then it would become a freeware or freemium, not shareware. Retail software is the one that you purchase without having a chance to test it. In the future, please try to get you facts right first. Fleet Command (talk) 12:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Shareware article says that trialware is the same as shareware.  I think the most accurate description for Delphi is "commercial software with a 30-day free trial".  How about that?  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is a short word for "commercial software with a 30-day free trial". That's "trialware". I don't really understand your aversion of the word. Your reasoning seems in favor of my position and your definition comes from the same article (Shareware) either; except you disagree instead of agreeing. You say Delphi cannot be copied to others. Well, I just did that! (Only he needs a separate serial number to use it permanently.) And I also do not understand what makes you think a "trialware" is non-commercial. The whole point of the try before you buy scheme is the buy part.Perhaps you should consider a moment or two and then start paraphrasing your position (unless you are satisfied by my arguments). Fleet Command (talk) 23:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Good call. I will change Visual Studio's too. Fleet Command (talk) 04:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Re choice of words: "trialware" is jargon; "commercial software with a 30-day free trial" is plain English for the non-technical, and also much less ambiguous (not 15-day, not crippleware, not popup-ads but unrestricted...). Pol098 (talk) 03:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Delphi not a shareware or trialware? 

message: With new Win64 target, only 4- and 8-bytes (single and double) are supported. Extended type is dropped. It seems that x86-64 compiler issues SSE2 code for floating point (SSE2 does not have 10-bytes precision). So the question appears, does x86-64 Long Mode completely dropped support for x87 code, or was it just Embarcadero cut the corners and bypassed x87 code generation even if only for Extended type ? 79.111.218.128 (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delphi XE2: [[x86-64]] and 10 bytes Extended float type 

message: I have removed a section in Limitations which went: "Delphi does not offer any means to simplify development of multi-threaded applications. Any improvement on this issue is unlikely to be expected before "Commodore".
This is partly not true and partly unclear and unsupported. Delphi does offer components and native classes for working with threading, both inbox and third-party ones. In other words it's the same as with other major development platforms, and is not a "limitation". Whether those means available in Delphi "simplify" anything is not up to Wiki to tell, and no citations were used to support the idea that they don't. -- 91.79.19.52 (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and "Commodore" is not mentioned anywhere else; hasn't it already arrived (I'm not up-to-date with internal names)? This topic does merit inclusion if it's correct, but it needs to clarify and reference exactly what is meant. Pol098 (talk) 03:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multi-threaded applications "limitations" 

message: Thanks to all for providing information about this useful programming language, however I have some problems with the naming of the two pages.
Everyone who is interested in portraying history truthfully will agree that:
1. Delphi is one of the programming languages of Niklaus Wirth's. It was called Object Pascal to simplify what it was, but that's not all it is. He called it Delphi, not Object Pascal, and certainly not Delphi Object Pascal. As a comparison, naming the C++ page 'C with classes' would be misleading.
2. Borland implemented it, integrating it into an IDE for Windows, as they had Turbo Pascal into an IDE for MS-DOS; it was a step-up for developers to follow user migration from MS-DOS to Windows.
3. 'Embarcadero Delphi' is not a dialect or variant such as Objective-C or C# is to C. If this page is to describe Delphi, it must be named so. If it is to describe new features in yearly upgrades of the software, a similar page needs to be created for 'Codegear Delphi' and 'Borland Delphi', and so on. That would then require the same to be done for all other languages with their IDEs. If this is a new policy, it seems to require a lot of work for little benefit.
It seems to me the pages would be more neutral if they catered to describing the language and its history, and less to current copyright holders.
I have at least 3 sources to support the above, but they are in print so I would have to scan them. I think it would save time to instead question the bias of the sources for the naming of the pages, as well as page links from searches for 'Borland Delphi'.
I hope you find my insights of worth.
HenrikErlandsson (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accurate history 

message: The article needs to be updated for XE4.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  XE4 

message: Currently the header photo is based on Delphi XE2 running on Windows XP. I think this has gotten a bit old. Can someone please add a new photo of Delphi XE6 rather on this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaunRoselt (talk • contribs) 20:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  InfoBox Header Picture 

message: Currently the Social Media section has sub-sections for facebook pages, facebook groups and twitter accounts. Can someone add blogs to this please. Blogs is also part of the Social Media Section and should be listed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaunRoselt (talk • contribs) 20:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Media Section 

message: Why is the article called Delphi (programming language) about Embarcadero Delphi IDE? Shouldn't it be renamed? And what's the Delphi programming language? Isn't it Object Pascal? Dvorapa (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it was first from Borland, then CodeGear, and then Embarcadero.  Also, it uses Object Pascal, but that isn't the whole story.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:26, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the article called Delphi (programming language)? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think that Beyond Compare was developed with Free Pascal, not Delphi.
https://www.scootersoftware.com/v4help/index.html?license_agreement_fpc.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.9.13 (talk) 12:05, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyond Compare 

message: Article needs update to reflect the new 10.4 (Sydney) version is out  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.178.6 (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the article, but meanwhile 10.4.2 is out and I don't know how to update that on wikidata...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8070:63D1:1B00:7C3C:F0BC:BB81:3636 (talk) 15:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  10.4 

message: Cleaned up this article so it could focus on the language and IDE by creating the History of Delphi (software) page and cleaning up its contents (uniform formatting, added details from Embarcadero marketing materials (https://delphi.embarcadero.com/#history).  Jim McKeeth (talk) 19:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section moved to stand-alone page (History of Delphi (software)) 

message: I can't see any such 'free' version here https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/delphi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.158.26 (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  license is freemium? 

message: Current release is 11.1, March 15, 2022.  I don't know how to edit it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  current release 

message: https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/turkey-secures-delphi-access/ 2A02:2149:8B29:3A00:8426:455E:6366:8CA6 (talk) 04:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  use in schools (Turkey)