Talk:1994 Bophuthatswana crisis

message: Too many wrong, unsubstansiated and uncited claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.17.7.124 (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Such as? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 00:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

message: The Tebbutt Commission was held two weeks after the Bophuthatswana coup in 1994 and it reported on the events - purely an investigation, nothing to do with prosecution or amnesty. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was held four years later, in 1998-1999. The Truth Commission didn't prosecute people - it allowed people to apply for amnesty, which Menyatsoe did.  His application was opposed by the families, but he was granted amnesty.  This was fairly normal.  Amnesty went both ways: in other cases, AWB members were also granted amnesty for crimes. Zaian 19:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion between Tebbutt report and Truth Commission

message: By the who were the three men, I know that they were from Naboomspruit, but was it Wolfaardt, the elderly man with the beard, who got out and said, "We need an ambulance" or was Wolfaardt the one against the car tyre? I'm pretty sure that Fourie was the half- dead guy lying on the floor but I can't clarify of the other two which one was Uys and which one was Wolfaardt.
P.S.
Sorry to bother you on this issue but you seem to have an abundance of knowledge do you have any idea of who the 3 people killed in the Battle of Ventersdorp were, I've looked everywhere but I can't get names, the Bang Bang Club book covers the Bop Coup but not the Ventersdorp incident so if you know the names please add them to the article.
BOV1993 20:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The three man may have been AWB members or not. But apparantly they weren't in Bop as part of the AWB contingent, rather because they owned businesses there. That at least the story that I keep on hearing. The whole event smells a bit like trying to break the Whites willingness to fight for their freedom. --41.18.226.32 (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for clarifyng 

message: I think the Merc might be cream or white rather than blue. Yes Wolfaardt was the beared AWB member. -- maxrspct ping me  19:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour of Mercedes etc

message: The re-incorporation of Bop was not a consequence of the coup. It was going to happen regardless.
Were the 3 AWB members killed by Bop Police or Army? The article says Army in the intro and Police further down. Roger (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few problems that need clarifying 

message: I've seen a youtube clip where he or someone else says "I could kill you in one moment" but tis is neither in the Bang Bang Club book or in TRC report. I have not seen the latest quote - 'why don't bring your own ambulance" anywhere before. The "what are you doing in my country" is in various books and websites but not in that clip i saw on youtube, which is in itself not referenceable. I am looking for further references. - maxrspct ping me  11:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not clear who is actually saying this. --41.151.108.133 (talk) 07:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What is said by Ontlametse Menyatsoe?

message: Somebody re-read the introduction and check the wording. It makes it sound like Bophutatswana's army engaged in mutiny and this mutiny was supported by the AVF. The article later states that Mangope asked the AVF for help in suppressing said mutiny. One of these claims must be wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.184.105 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  confused 

message: # 22:48, 18 July 2009 Seb az86556 (talk | contribs) moved Talk:Bophuthatswana coup d'état to Talk:Bophuthatswana coup d'état of 1994 ‎ (Bophuthatswana had more than one coup d'etat during its history. The renaming specifies which one is meant and is due to my currently expanding the main article, which will eventually include information on all coup d'etats.) 
# 22:48, 18 July 2009 Seb az86556 (talk | contribs) moved Bophuthatswana coup d'état to Bophuthatswana coup d'état of 1994 ‎ (Bophuthatswana had more than one coup d'etat during its history. The renaming specifies which one is meant and is due to my currently expanding the main article, which will eventually include information on all coup d'etats.)
Seb az86556 (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy of move log, July 2009 

message: The killing of Wolfaardt, Uys, and Fourie was clearly murder. Their murderer was charged. The article appears to downplay this to "killing". It makes no reference to others trying to stop the murder, or to the charges laid afterwards. The reference to passengers as "gunmen" is also misleading. There is no evidence anyone in this vehicle had used a firearm.Royalcourtier (talk) 01:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder of  

message: There was no invasion. This word should be removed from the text.Royalcourtier (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invasion 

message: It is stated that Wolfaardt was a "another gunman". But there was no evidence that these men were firing at anything.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killing of Wolfaardt, Uys, and Fourie 

message: This article is entirely about events of a couple of days. It cannot be called a conflict. It also cannot be said that the result was "Opposition-SADF victory. Removal and abolition of Lucas Mangope's regime. Disestablishment of Bantustan". Those are far too profound, and did not result from this one event.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title misleading 

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