Talk:Noye's Fludde

message: IMO, this art does not belong on this page. The words on the edge of the shell are not from Noye's Fludde, but from a different opera: Peter Grimes.
Ed8r (talk) 15:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Scallop appears on all the Britten opera pages - it's part of the navbox that allows easy movement between opera articles.  Normally, the image in the box is a picture of the composer, but there used to be no free image of Britten that could be used.  I now see that a public domain image is available, so I'll replace the shell with it. --GuillaumeTell 17:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (after a bit of a struggle). --GuillaumeTell 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Scallop 

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message: Noye's Fludde is featured quite prominently in the Wes Anderson film "Moonrise Kingdom". Perhaps there should be some mention of that on this page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.14.107 (talk) 01:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's a major element in the film.2600:1000:B001:E767:EC25:82E4:7E3C:3496 (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

text: The work's use in Moonrise Kingdom is sufficiently covered in that article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:45, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right. But the appearance of Noye's Fludde in Moonreise Kingdom is insufficiently covered in the present article. Albrecht Conz (talk) 22:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Your assumption that Noye's Fludde was invented for Moonrise Kingdom is dispelled by that article. Mentioning that film here doesn't add anything to the understanding of Britten's work; the same applies to Pretty Woman and La traviata. That's why WP:POPCULTURE cautions against including such lists. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't assume anything of the kind. And I agree, the addition of such nilly-willy lists of references to a work often do not add but instead muddle such articles. Having said that, the perception and the use other artists make of a work of art form an important part of such an article, on the one hand, because they tend to lead to a different view of the work and, on the other, because a certain number of people will have come across this work via references in other media. Excluding the mention of ways in which such a work was used later on is an argument one could easily reverse, namely arguing that the mention of Britten's sources and how he reworked them does not belong in this article as neither the Old Testament nor the medevial mystery plays were written so that Britten could mine them for his opera. Albrecht Conz (talk) 01:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: a) You wrote "I assumed at first it had been invented for the movie". b) There's a difference between adapting the Chester Mystery Plays and the incidental use of music in a film, unless such use receives substantial commentary in reliable sources. c) Suggesting that this article should not discuss Britten's source selection is absurd. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, I did not write that. Maybe someone else did. So please respond do what I said - and not to something you seem to imagine I said. - As to your argument, excluding uses others make of Britten's work while including uses he made of others work is absurd - and I don't see any kind of argument on your side, just a flat and dogmatic refusal to reflect and to argue a point, while at the same time attributing arguments I did not put forward in the first place. Albrecht Conz (talk) 04:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I regret starting a heated discussion -- partly because Mr. Bednarak is attributing to Mr. Conz something I wrote. Thank you for the reference to the WP:POPCULTURE article, which is exactly what I was asking for when I asked "Is there a policy on this?"  There IS a policy, and though I can't say I understood how to apply it to this case, I'm glad there's guidance. (Is there a way to find articles like that, or does one need to know they exist?  I certainly couldn't find it on my own when I looked through the Help.)  I acknowledge that, in order to find out if Noye's Fludde was invented for Moonrise Kingdom, one would look at the Moonrise Kingdom article, not the Noye's Fludde article (since, if one was asking the question, one wouldn't know that a work named Noye's Fludde even existed; that would be what one was trying to find out).  I think that when one work is DERIVED FROM or BASED ON another work (as Noye's Fludde is based on the Bible), obviously those works should be included in explaining how the work was created.  I don't think Moonrise Kingdom was BASED ON Noye's Fludde, but merely used it as it might have used any other work of serious art designed to be performed by children (if there are any others; Noye's Fludde may be unique).  I find it interesting when creative works have been used in other creative works, but if others feel it clutters up articles, I see that viewpoint also.  Again, I didn't mean to start a fight. Gms3591 (talk) 13:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moonrise Kingdom 

message: Full disclosure: I had the pleasure of lunching with Viva-Verdi when he was in London recently. I hope my comments are nonetheless scrupulously objective. I fear they may read like the wishy-washy compromise of a lifelong liberal and a career civil servant (i.e. me). On the one hand the piece is intended for amateur performance, and the usual caution about admitting details of amateur performances needs to be looked at in that light. On the other hand, I don't think it tells a reader in Virginia very much that the work was put on in Brentwood Cathedral or vice versa. What I should like to see, as a visitor who doesn't know the piece that well, is something like a paragraph or two, saying that it's done by amateurs (with selected examples from the UK, US, Asia and continental Europe) and by professionals, such as Los Angeles Opera. If (lunch notwithstanding) both Bencherlite and Viva-Verdi are happy for me to have a shot at this it will be my privilege and pleasure to give it a go. Tim riley (talk) 20:42, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm late on parade again – sorry! In my view the four paragraphs above are just what we want: a good overview of amateur and professional productions that anyone anywhere can relate to. The inadvertent omission of the four signatory tildes means that I don't know whether the suggestion comes from the house of Montagu or Capulet, but I support it whichever its source Tim riley (talk) 21:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, sorry. Was my revision. I shall go ahead and load it up into the article. All the best for 2014! Viva-Verdi (talk) 02:02, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two penn'orth 

message: What a delightful article. About 12 years ago it was put on in Saint Mary's  Church, Bridgwater,Somerset, (UK) under the direction of the choir master, John Bodiley. The children were drawn from a local school, and the choir boys. Adult choir members sang the main parts. The accompaniment was by two music teachers playing one piano. I was involved in making the wind machine and the musical mugs machine. The latter caused a headache as we bought a job lot of mugs in the market which proved to all have the same note! If this performance is felt worth noting in the piece I can probably provide an accurate date. Maybe someone can email me? Apwoolrich (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Another two penn'orth

message: I believe the 1961 production at St Andrews Hall, Norwich, as part of the Norfolk and Norwich Triennial Festival is notable enough for inclusion being so early. I know that Owen Brannigan played Noye, as in the premiere, and the other main soloists were probably professionals. The orchestra was the Norwich Schools Orchestra. Unfortunately I can find no references to this production. I know that my presence at all three (or four?) performances is not an acceptable reference, but hopefully someone can come up with one and insert a brief mention in this section. Mike Spathaky (talk) 01:18, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: An interesting early production, but what would make it notable in Wikipedia's sense is if it received substantial coverage such as in London papers or national music magazines. Let us see what is found. SovalValtos (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable early production

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