Talk:Communion and the developmentally disabled

message: I added a reference to Infant Communion, without which this article makes little sense.  I think this aspect should be more than a See Also, but should be placed at the beginning of the article as a necessary prerequisite to understanding what follows.  I shall be thinking of how to word it all...  --Sophroniscus 00:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: See Also

message: Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services
Category:Catholic Eucharistic Theology
Category:Discrimination
--Sophroniscus 00:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: Has the Church made any statements about Communion for the developmentally disabled specifically? This article just has so much more on infant communion that it seems in danger of crowding out the information on the topic at hand. --User:Jenmoa 19:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent question.  What is the official policy?  Let's get that cleared up before we proceed further, and let's also get information on non-Roman Catholic or Eastern Rite practice as well.  JHCC (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I could find some official position.  I have searched and searched but not found anything which would contradict what Canon Law says -- something that I could present to my bishop.  --Sophroniscus 23:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Immediately jumping into the history of infant communion is a problem.  I would suggest something like this:
::Regarding Communion for the Disabled, there is no consensus on whether or not developmentally disabled Christians should be allowed to receive the Eucharist.  Some Christians maintain that a rational understanding is necessary to receive the sacrament.  Others believe that the disabled deserve special consideration because they are among the least of Christ's Faithful.   
::==History==
::The history of administering the sacraments to the mentally retarded is difficult to establish.  Many forms of developmental disability were only identified comparatively recently, and cases of mental retardation may often have been mistaken for demonic possession or the particularly dramatic consequence of original sin.  In these cases, the Eucharist may have been withheld simply by virtue of a misunderstanding of the nature of the condition.  [NOTE: this is a little sloppy, but you get the idea.]
::==Catholicism==
::The Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church (and those bodies in full communion with it) has no official policy about the sacraments and the developmentally disabled as such [NOTE: this needs to be fact-checked!].  The nearest parallel can be found in the principles relating to infant communion, specifically, the age of reason.  According to the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia article on Communion of Children:
:::"In the best-supported view of theologians this phrase means, not the attainment of a definite number of years, but rather the arrival at a certain stage in mental development, when children become able to discern the Eucharistic from ordinary bread, to realize in some measure the dignity and excellence of the Sacrament of the Altar, to believe in the Real Presence, and adore Christ under the sacramental veils."
::Additionally, Canon 913 states
:::"§1. The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion."
:::"§2. The Most Holy Eucharist, however, can be administered to children in danger of death if they can distinguish the body of Christ from ordinary food and receive communion reverently."
::Many, both in and out of the Catholic Church, believe that applying the standard for children to the mentally retarded is unfairly discriminatory, since it sets the guiding criterion at a level that many of the disabled (unlike most children) may never reach.  Advances in medicine and psychology have also identified natural causes for mental retardation, without reference to such things as evil spirits or ancestral guilt.  At the same time, the Disability Rights Movement has wrought major changes in the way people think of the disabled, leading many to ask whether a more inclusive policy might be in order.   
::==Orthodox Christianity==
::
::==Protestantism==
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How does that look?  JHCC (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely an improvement. --User:Jenmoa 23:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Too much left to be filled in...  --Sophroniscus 01:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there's a lot to be filled it, but we haven't cut anything relevant from the article (I don't think), and it is now more clear where more is needed.  I'm going to go ahead and make the change, especially in view of Sophroniscus's statement above that he/she hasn't been to locate an official position as such.  We can always update and add more later.  JHCC (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal from [[User:JHCC|JHCC]]

message: "Communion for the Disabled" is giving me pause.  Given that the issue is mental capacity rather than physical ability, do we want to move this to "Communion and the Developmentally Disabled"?  JHCC (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing. Maybe we ought to put information about communion and the physically disabled? Otherwise, yes, I think a move is in order. =| --User:Jenmoa 17:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll move the page to "Communion and the Developmentally Disabled".  I don't know of any comparable issues with physical disability that need addressing, but even if I did, I'd hesitate to put them here without a major restructuring.  JHCC (talk) 17:46, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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message: I love that phrase, "for the healing of soul and body."  It clearly delineates one difference between the Western Church and the various Eastern Churches.  The west will only agree to the first part, the healing of the soul.  Somehow they forgot that man is both body and soul and both need the Christ's healing power in the Eucharist.  What difference does it make that the soul of an infant may not be aware of the Sacred Mystery if his body can partake of Christ's healing touch?
--Sophroniscus 14:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have referenced the quote, but I'm not sure how to cite it.  It's best remembered from a prayer by St. John Chrysostom that's said in preparation for receiving Communion, but there are a few other such prayers that say the same thing, or something close to it.  I wasn't aware this was a subject where East and West disagreed. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''for the healing of soul and body''

message: Hey, the link to Abortion and Paedocommunion was taken out of Infant Communion and I think maybe it ought to be taken out of here as well. It seems kind of like original research, which we aren't supposed to use here. If anything, put the link on the talk page or a user page, not in the article. =\ It's a personal blog, as User:Mkmcconn said, and its especially iffy because its the blog of one of the article's main editors. I'm going to take it out, but I figured I'd explain here first and let anyone argue it if they disagree. --User:Jenmoa 05:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Blog link

message: The first 2 external links under Catholic are broken, as well as the Alzheimer's link at the bottom. Could some one either fix them or find other suitable links?  C4bl3Fl4m3 05:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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