Talk:Prophet (disambiguation)

message: I am here from third opinion, my opinion is that anyone who was verifiably known as a prophet should be included in this page even if the term prophet is not in their common title. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 03:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just like to point out that from looking at :Category:Prophets, that would imply that we'd need to add ~35 people from Islamic Prophets, ~28 people from Biblical Prophets, and 17 people from the Book of Mormon.  Now consider that those categories are almost certainly woefully incomplete, and there are plenty of prophets of other "minor" religions that aren't included.  I think that there is a distinct difference between a list of these prophets and a disambiguation page for when somebody just wanted the book. SnowFire 05:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always put the book at the top. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what to say other than that there is a qualitative difference between "different senses of a word" and "things that can be described by the word."  This difference is reflected in Wikipedia by disambiguation pages vs. lists.  List of Particles is linked from the Particle disambiguation page, but it is not replicated in its entirety there.  Chord can refer to a musical chord or a line segment on a curve; that's different senses of the word.  However, there is not a list of A, A#, Ab, B, Bb, even if articles on all the musical chords existed.  This is made very clear in the Disambiguation page guidelines. SnowFire 22:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, good idea. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 00:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good idea. I support it. Snowfire is right, listing every person known to religions who are called "The Prophet" on the disambig page would unnecessarily clutter it. I was in favor of removing the section listing Muhammed and Jesus altogether from the page, but I think removing the section in favor of a link to :Category:Prophets is an awesome idea, and I support this compromise offer. Snowfire, what do you think? inigmatus 02:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Muhammad is often referenced with titles of praise:
* Al Mustafa, "the chosen one"
* Al Rasul, "the Messenger"
* Al Nabi, "the Prophet"
And goes on to offer some more common titles.  I'm not an expert on Islam, but I have read some books on it as well as the Qu'ran.  Like I said before, Islamic writing is simply shot through with references to "The Prophet" meaning Muhammad, as is Islamic speech to my knowledge.  I went over to :Category:Islamic books and picked one at random, coming up with Bahishti Zewar.  Luckily, there happens to be a full translation linked online- look at , and you can see references to "prophets" as well as "the Prophet."  Sure, this page references him just as "the Prophet Muhammad" sometimes as well as other prophets, but hopefully this should give an impression that referring to The Prophet with a capital P in Islam really does mean Muhammad.  I've seen other books with a ratio of more like 80%-20% of other titles vs. just "the Prophet." SnowFire 04:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: I think this page should completely redirect to 1)Tenskwatawa and then a second redirect to 2) Prophet.
While the other people on this page are called "Prophet" or "The Prophet _____" Tenskwatawa is the only one who is consistently and historically referenced simply as "The Prophet." This distinction should only be made for the capitalized "P" in "The Prophet" so as to distinguish his proper noun name from the word or adjective form of prophet (both of which are not capitalized). Should any other inadequacy arise from this decision (such as the discovery of a second figure consistently referenced as "The Prophet" without a second proper noun or adjective to distinguish him/her), we should place a third redirect to that person's name on "The Prophet" page. 
--Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 07:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tenskwatawa