Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/The Lee Nysted Experience

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With all due respect to Tony Fox, and the concept of "weak keep"  in re: The Orchard 
To quote Wikipedia:
"...A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
* It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.1
o This criterion includes published works in all forms,..."
Ergo,
 
#.) There are 15,000 (Google:Lee Nysted) such articles out there in Google about Lee Nysted and "The Lee Nysted Experience."
#.) The rules and guidelines are quite clear. I believe the (who do we distribute) artist roster says enough about the issue at hand. "COLD PLAY" (The band) is on THE ORCHARD. Does Cold Play have a Wikipedia site? They (The Orchard) is/are the 5th largest label in the free world.  To say they are not legitimate is like saying G.E. is not a corporation because they own 3000 companies. (Please look at the "digital partners."  e.g., Starbucks, iTunes, Rhapsody, +14,000 more.) 
#.) The rules and guidelines and criteria for inclusion are very clear. There is no "weak" keep because it is one of the "any one" of the following. "Any One" is quite black and white. There are several, not just one.
The criteria doesn't include an asterisk saying Lee must be signed to SONY.
Thank you for your time and patience,
Lee Nysted
:: Yes, Orchard has a large list of bands they DISTRIBUTE. I personally think of a record LABEL as something that signs bands, works with them on record production, markets and distributes their work through record stores, etc. - like so. Orchard distributes things for other labels and indie artists. If people can pay them for distributing their stuff (and that's my interpretation, nobody else's), I don't know if I can call them a label in the vein of WP:MUSIC. Now. "Lee Nysted" with the quotes comes up with 5000 or so Google hits. that's not bad. Looking through the top 50, I don't see much in the way of non-trivial independent reliable sources; I do see a lot of sites where information about musicians can be submitted, and a lot of copies of a press release. Can you point towards some non-trivial media coverage for us to peruse? My weak keep indicates that I feel your work with other established artists is just above the line under WP:MUSIC. Show me some media coverage, and I'm happy to reconsider. Tony Fox (arf!) 23:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the record, "Lee Nysted Experience" with the quotes gets 55 Google hits. Lee Nysted, with no quotes - which means you get hits for 'Lee', 'Nysted' and 'Lee Nysted' - gets 17,000. As I said before, the editors who are debating here would like to see some of the reliable sources that are available out of the Google hits to help determine notability. Tony Fox (arf!) 02:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh... beg pardon? I'm looking directly at WP:MUSIC. I (who I should again note opined weak KEEP back there someplace) still haven't seen a reliable source whatsoever about the artist, which I've asked for three times now. There's nothing in my comments that's trying to rewrite guidelines, nor Citicat's. As to your question about new users, yes, anyone can comment on an AfD discussion, but most of the time the opinions of established users are taken into consideration to a greater degree than those who may have registered specifically to comment on that particular topic. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Christine--you might want to consider that recruiting people to participate in an AfD is a pretty serious faux pas around here.  (and, by the way sockpuppetry is frowned upon too. JChap2007 13:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I put up the warning, in response to your statement that you will "call in some experts." I'm sorry that you are taking this personally.  It is not intended as such. JChap2007 15:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Mr. Stuart, Please look at Mr. Walker's own sites, as well as the "Walker" site in the article.Huntress829 00:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If you exhibit an ability to learn from this experience and conform your submissions to Wikipedia guidelines, then I and other editors will welcome you. If you continue to use personal attacks and assume base motives from other editors, you will not find being here a pleasant experience, and I suggest that you explore another hobby. --Dhartung | Talk 23:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)