Talk:Fredric Wertham

message: I heard that the NYCAC invitation basically was a trick to let old fans get their revenge on Wertham, and Wertham was completely unprepared of these personal attacks for a book he wrote 20 years ago. I am not sure about this, but if that is the case, I think that was a rather weasely invitation.)
:Wertham had commented on comics in his more recent book A Sign for Cain, so he had re-stated his views in a work not too many years before the Convention appearance. And he had been involved at that point for years in many social and political issues via involvement with public forums. He wasn't unused to controversy or defending his views. And it was a legitimate invitation because he asserted in Seduction that he had seen no sign of anyone who had read comics when younger harbored any affection for them once maturing; fandom's existence refuted that and it is fair for them to show him that his assumption was not fully valid.  Dgabbard (talk) 18:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uber fan Dwight Decker in an e-mail to me expressed doubt this incident ever happened. Or maybe it is mis-remembering the appearance at a 1966 New York comic con by the Comics Code Administrator Leonard Darvin who was heckled when he defended the Code in a debate with Don Thompson (the transcript is reprinted in Alter Ego #55 [December 2005], pp.47-52).Dgabbard (talk) 17:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds likely. Mark Evanier, on page 191 of his 2003 book "Wertham Was Right," said "It has been reported that in the mid-seventies, he [Wertham] accepted an invitation to a comic book convention, showed up and was so verbally abused that he fled in anger. As far as I know, this is an Urban Legend." WaxTadpole (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Comic Art Convention invitation 

message: I'm almost tempted to put in the article something like that in the section "Wertham in fiction"
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Something similar happened in the DC Comics Legends story-arc, in which Darkseid attempts to turn the Earth people against their heroes using his mind-controlling minion, Glorious Godfrey. Godfrey presented himself as truly concerned for the "bad role model" that heroes represented for children with their misuse of violence, and aided by his mind-controlling voice, convinced the people to banish all superheroic activity on the Earth, for the sake of the children. They were the children themselves, not touched by Glorious powers, to stick around their heroes, undercovering his plot.
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DrTofu83 11:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  G.Glorious Godfrey as a Wertham rip-off? 

message: I'm certainly not going to put up any unverified arguments on this or anything, but have there been any comparisons between the panic about comic books with the panic about video games? I'm seeing a lot of parallels here, but I don't want to edit the page with my opinion or anything. If anyone finds anything on it (might not be appropriate to this article even, I'm not sure) they should put it up. Magicflyinlemur 09:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallel to Video Game Violence fears? 

message: aren't there humors that he was gay or something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.241.255.250 (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe. He He :) (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: It may be true "Wertham always denied that he favored censorship or had anything against comic books in principle" but his own comments at the time don't fully support that. Beyond the content he also targeted the form itself as being harmful. He also at times while not outright calling for a ban spoke of comics being so harmful that he seemed to be making a public health argument for them needing to be removed from the diet of reading, much like unsanitary conditions in food preparation. It is easy to cherrypick his comments to support a point of view on where he stood, since he was inconsistent Dgabbard (talk) 18:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  attitude toward remedy 

message: I removed the reference to his papers at the Library of Congress being available for use by researchers. Michael Barrier informs me "the Wertham papers at the Library of Congress are no longer open to researchers, except with the executor's approval." Dgabbard (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the reference to the papers to note they'll become available for use in 2010, per communications Barrier had with the Library of Congress. Dgabbard (talk) 16:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  access to papers 

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message: Get a load of this: In the Zippy comic strip for November 28, 1995, Zippy and Griffy look at disturbing images of superheroes in comic books at a comic book store, and Griffy says, "Oh, God... am I turning into a latter-day Dr. Fredric Wertham?"  The comic calls Wertham a "crackpot author of Seduction of the Innocent, a 1950s call for comic book censorship."  Here's the info. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 03:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Wertham Mentioned in Zippy

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message: This section is plagued with OR.  I mean, the alleged irony that is the subject of paragraph 3 is entirely original. As with what is usually overlooked by commentators (the subject of paragraph 4). Paragraph 5 draws conclusions about inevitability, and also gives an opinion on what superheroes were like in the 50s ('sanitised'). At the very least, if this stuff is true, source it. 203.45.146.36 (talk) 09:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seduction of the Innocent -- OR 

message: See: John A. Lent: Pulp Demons (google books). An interseting book on Wertham - the familiy was originally called Wertheimer; soviet propagandist Ella Winter was his cousin.--Radh (talk) 14:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  this guy knew people like Ralph Ellison 

message: This article mentions that he wrote about racial segregation. Was he for or against it? Stonemason89 (talk) 04:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial segregation 

message: Fredric Wertham was born as Friedrich Ignatz Wertheimer on March 20, 1895 in Nuremberg (Germany) to the salesman Sigmund and his wife Mathilde, née Lust (source: Nuremberg City Archives, holding C 27/IV municipal public records office, birth registry #521, entry #1302)
Since 2012 Wertham’s personal papers are accessible at the Library of Congress by a finding aid: http://memory.loc.gov/service/mss/eadxmlmss/eadpdfmss/2010/ms010146.pdf
--193.22.166.88 (talk) 09:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct place of birth & biographical documents 

message: Carol Tilley's "Seducing the Innocent" (2012) is mentioned as further reading but so far not drawn on. I gather that she makes a solid case that a lot of Wertham's data on comic books was essentially bogus and does not match his own notes, which she has examined. I have this second-hand -- see BAM! WAP! KA-POW! Library prof bops doc who K.O.'d comic book industry -- but it should probably be followed up by someone working on this article. - Jmabel | Talk 16:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I have access to a copy of Tilley's paper and I plan to add it under the section about Seduction of the Innocent in the next week or so. She details, using primary sources drawn from Wertham's research, how he systematically falsified and misinterpreted evidence. It's a groundbreaking work in terms of retrospective evaluation of Wertham's arguments and should absolutely be drawn upon in the article as well as referenced at the bottom. Phette23 (talk) 23:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carol Tilley 

message: Especially if the city of Nuremberg also says he was born there. Apparently no one editing this article so far has noticed, or acknowledged, the Correct place of birth & biographical documents section above, posted last year. Sorry, I don't have the interest or energy to get involved in this article, but someone might want to pay attention. And including his birth name and parents somewhere might be useful. Milkunderwood (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  If Time and NYTimes say he was born in Munich but Library of Congress says Nuremberg, who gets to win? 

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message: Just kinda bugs me when people say “falsified data” cause it makes it harder to help people understand the need to falsify research, which means simply to make research fair by allowing an opposing view. I know this sounds like semantics, but I refer to Karl Popper’s theory. 
The word “fabricated” is more clear. JonesyPHD (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change “falsified” header to fabricated?