Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 23

message: This article for Lord Hawke is shockingly stubby, for such an important figure in cricket history.
I'm adding it to my to-do list, but this is an invitation to any other editor to get stuck in too. --Dweller 14:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One interesting fact (if you can find a reference for it), possibly DYK worthy, is that he instituted the Yorkshire born policy for Yorkshire County Cricket Club, despite being born in Lincolnshire. Andrew nixon 14:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In The Cricket Captains of England Alan Gibson says: "There was one odd thing about him. He was not a Yorkshireman. Even by his time, the county had established the rule... that only Yorkshiremen-born play for Yorkshire... Hawke's dispensation cannot have been unconnected with the fact that he was, by then, a prospective peer. He was within his legal rights - there was a 'family home' qualification in the championship regulations..." So if Gibson is right, Hawke did not begin the Yorkshire-born policy, even though he appears to have enthusiastically continued it. JH 18:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The article certainly ought to mention that, though he might have been something of a despot, he did a lot to improve the pay and conditions of the Yorkshire professionals. JH 19:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Martin Hawke, 7th Baron Hawke]] 

message: Re some additions made yesterday in the West Indies section, does anyone have a reference for Gibbs-Gibbs, Drakes-Hurley, Butcher-Butcher and Bishop-Gray ? Tintin (talk) 06:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Test or One-day International cricket families]] 

message: What club (not players) stubs should I do now?? can anyone give me an assignment??
Reply to me when you find an assignment
Also I'm a routine member who edits the international cricket season during on weekdays, i'm edited from the last 3 months of 2006 season, but I edited the most of 06-07 season with the tables, results.
Rakuten06 19:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to make club stubs, the Sri Lankan Premier League is a good start. See  for a list of fixtures and  for last season's table. Sam Vimes | Address me 21:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just started on this: Defence Services Sports Board I want to change the title to Sri Lanka Air Force Sports Club, how do I do that?? Rakuten06 22:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There are plenty of redlinks on List of current first-class cricket teams. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What should I do??

message: Any support for the idea of creating articles about some of cricket's iconic scores? 333, 364, 375, 501 etc? Some of the ones that spawned merchandise are particularly notable. --Dweller 09:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC
:Not sure if no response means no-one agrees, no-one disagrees or no-one cares. --Dweller 14:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't understood what such an article would look like. In fact, I'm not even sure whether you're talking about one article covering all famous scores (which would probably run into POV and OR problems) or one article per score (which seems excessive). You can always include a bullet point in the article on the number (e.g., 333 (number)), if it's really notable, although I doubt many are notable enough for that, except perhaps 99.94. Stephen Turner (Talk) 14:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd envisage it being an in-depth look at classic innings (333, 364, 375, 501 etc), with wagon wheels, stat analysis, match situation, scorecard etc if possible. In other words, including the kind of detail in 364 that an article about Len Hutton can't afford. I hadn't thought of doing averages, but 99.94 seems pretty notable! --Dweller 18:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heck, now that we've started talking about it, I've decided to be bold and have kicked off with Stephen's suggestion. 99.94 is no longer a red link, although it is still a stub. :-) --Dweller 18:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing you might want to add: All ABC postal addresses are GPO Box 9994 in each capital city... – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard both that their address is a tribute to Bradman, and that that story is a myth. Stephen Turner (Talk) 21:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm OK I'd never heard that it was a myth (quite a coincidence/fluke that they chose that number if it is), but I guess it's best to leave it out until we can find some confirmation. – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 11:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a link to a semi-official debunking at Australian Broadcasting Corporation#Postal address, which talks about the "the persistent [myth] that Talbot Duckmanton chose GPO Box 9994 as the ABC's address in honour of Don Bradman’s test batting average. In fact the ABC wasn’t given that address until after Sir Talbot Duckmanton retired, by someone in the Postmaster General’s department who may or may not have had Sir Donald Bradman in mind." -- ALoan (Talk) 15:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Our article on Bradman currently says that it's true, with a source. It should probably be less definitive, with a link to ALoan's source. Stephen Turner (Talk) 15:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iconic scores 

message: In my article on Martin Donnelly, I mention that he is one of two cricketers to have scored a century at Lord's in a Test Match, an Oxford v Cambridge match and a Gentlemen v Players.  Is there a term which decribes this trinity of matches besides "classic matches", which I currently use?  --Roisterer 14:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not familiar with "classic matches" either. Tintin (talk) 09:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're creating an arbitrary category. What about selection for Lavinia Duchess of Norfolk's XI, MCC, or even The Rest? --Dweller 10:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, appearing in those three fixturres at Lord's is something that I've seen referred to in various cricket works, so it's a recognised thing and not something of Roisterer's invention. JH 17:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have not seen them called "classic", but the category makes some sort of sense.  "Super" first class, I guess.  Would you include the school match (Eton v Harrow)? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There would be a case for it, though of course that fixture was not f-c (even back when it was played over 3 days). JH 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the feedback. I'll go back and see what my reference specifically stated but it indicated that the three matches listed were "the big three" of the English calendar (at Lord's).  I only used the term "classic matches" as a place holder until I could find something better.  --Roisterer 13:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your source could be out of date. Any summary of the biggest days (at Lord's) in the calendar that didn't include 1-day cricket is barmy, as the two finals of the one day competitions are very special and the 1 or 2 international 1 day games Lords gets each summer is fairly noteworthy too! --Dweller 13:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  One reference, Graeme Wright's obituary of Martin Donnelly in the 28 October 1999 edition of The Independent, refers to "the Lord's triptych he shares with a fellow left-hander, Percy Chapman: hundreds at headquarters in the University Match, Gentleman v Players and a Test match."  The other, his obituary in The Times, writes "The three classic occasions at Lord's were the Test match, Gentlemen against Players and Oxford against Cambridge... The only other cricketer ever to do that was A.P.F. Chapman - and not even he played rugby for England as well, as Donnelly once did."  So one reference uses a term that normally refers to paintings while the other uses "classic".  --Roisterer 14:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: According to Chapman's obit, it was a "triple performance" never before achieved. Tintin (talk) 14:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  It's very much an historical term, as indicated by the fact that Gentlemen v Players was last played in 1962. So one-day matches don't come into it. Also, of course, nobody additional to Chapman and Donnelly can now achieve this feat.  JH 17:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wisden tended to refer to them unglamorously as "Other Matches at Lord's" in a section that came immediately after the MCC matches. I've not come across the term "classic" matches. Other matches covered in this Wisden section were the regular Lord's public schools matches, including Eton v Harrow, and the services matches. The Lord's Gentlemen v Players match was certainly seen as a notch above the others of the same title played at The Oval, Scarborough, Folkestone and elsewhere. Most of these "Other" matches seemed to take priority over Middlesex games: in 1939, for instance, Middlesex played Notts at The Oval because Lord's was "needed" for Eton v Harrow for just one day of a three-day match. Autres temps, autres moeurs. Johnlp 22:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord's "Classic matches" 

message: Above is the new name of the Australia domestic one-day competition (was ING Cup for 4 years previously).  The competition has a history of fairly frequent name changes to the current sponsor's name.  Do we rename the article every time there's a sponsor change (and change all the associated links), or can we come up with a more generic name?  I'm happy either way but don't want to start changing things just yet. -- Moondyne 04:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the competition have a generic name? If so, then use that For example, the English National League is currently on its sixth name since it was inaugurated in 1999 (with a whole heap more names for its predecessor, the Sunday League), but since the unsponsored "National League" exists there's no problem. However, the C&G Trophy was previously the NatWest Trophy and before that the Gillette Cup, and as far as I know does not have an unsponsored name. Since C&G are not going to renew their sponsorshop, that article too will have this same problem very shortly. I rather suspect that yes, we will have to keep moving articles. That's commercialism for you! (And it could be worse: look at the horrible mess of South African domestic team names!) Loganberry (Talk) 11:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the general Wikipedia policy does suggest that we move the page when the name changes, unless the subject of the article is widley known by another name. Thankfully with redirects, the links don't need to be changed in a hurry, only the ones where the information is out of date anyway. JPD (talk) 11:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When this competition and the Pura Cup are reported on the ABC they use generic terms in keeping with the organisation's charter of not advertising. Therefore they refer to the Ford Ranger Cup, ING Cup and its many predecessors as the "Domestic One-Day Cricket Competition" and the Pura Cup as the "Four-Day Cricket Competition" or "Domestic First Class Cricket Competition" - certainly a mouthful, but nevertheless descriptive. --Dave 23:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ford Ranger One Day Cup]]

message: Why don't we have categories for minor counties? I realise they don't play first-class cricket, but they do play at List A level, and if we're going to allow anyone who's played List A cricket to have an article then surely we should also allow List-A-playing teams to have categories? If there's been a discussion/decision on this in the past, then I admit that I've forgotten about it and would welcome being pointed towards it. My interest right now is because I've just written David Taylor (English cricketer): he played no first-class matches, but appeared in eight List A games spread between five counties, three of which were minor counties. I saw there wasn't a category for Berkshire, Buckinghamshire or Oxfordshire cricketers, set them up, then wondered if I might have done the wrong thing. (If so, by all means delete those cats without further comment.) I'm still curious, though. Loganberry (Talk) 20:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we've ever discussed it. And I don't see why we shouldn't have those categories. Stephen Turner (Talk) 20:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I must admit I know nothing about Jeeps' cricketing career, but my own criterion would be: did he play List A cricket for said minor county? Since that's how we decide whether a player is eligible for a bio in the first place, it seems logical also to make it how we would decide whether he was eligible for the category. I don't think we should include players who've only played minor cricket for minor counties, any more than we should include players who've only appeared at Second XI level. (Especially since Second XIs used to play in the Minor Counties Championship!) Loganberry (Talk) 23:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Valuable thought they undoubtedly are, when you are thinking about minor counties players, please consider that there are hundreds of Test and first-class players languishing as sub-stubs at User:CricketBot/substubs that deperately need a little TLC. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, certainly. But I'm not talking about minor counties players who are known only for being minor counties players. I'm talking about cricketers who I was already going to write about who have also played for minor counties at List A level (and who therefore qualify for a bio anyway) and whether they should have those categories added. For example, I write bios on Worcestershire players because frankly I'm better at that than I would be at writing about Test players I don't really care about. Some of those Worcs players (even the Test players!) also played for minor counties. That's the sort of cricketer I mean; I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Loganberry (Talk) 00:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor counties players categories 

message: This article has just been moved (without discussion on dubious grounds).  I object.  Does anyone mind if I move it back?  --RobertG ♬ talk 08:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no, not that again. I think it's fairly well known that my personal preference is for the unpunctuated form, but that I also see no reason whatever to move an established page. I'd vote for moving it back to W. G., without a doubt. Loganberry (Talk) 10:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the move. We discussed this only last month, and confirmed a previous decision that either "WG Grace" or "W. G. Grace" is acceptable, but that it is unacceptable to change from one to the other. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[W. G. Grace]]" 

message: Looking at some scorecards recently added to Cricket Archive a came across this which reports that in a match between Leicestershire and the Gentlemen of Canada in 1880, their captain was arrested during the match. I mentioned this incident in the Canadian cricket team article, but think the player deserves a write up. He did later play one first class match , so he fits our notability criteria. I'm not sure I can do a biographical article justice, but I mention it as I think it would make a great little fact for the DYK section. There can't be many sportsmen who have been arrested during a match surely? Andrew nixon 10:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these men, however, seems to have had quite as eventful a career as Tom Dale. This tall, well-built English fast bowler, nicknamed "jumbo" by his teammates, had spent time as a professional in St Louis and Chicago before joining the Peninsular club in 1877. He would best be remembered, however, for a series of bizarre events that unfolded while he was in England playing for a touring Canadian team in 1880. Though travelling under the pseudonym "Jordan", Dale was identified as a deserter from a British regiment that had been stationed in Canada and immediately arrested. Apparently finding even the exceedingly light one-month prison term too onerous, the former army corporal tried to elude his guards by "running down" Knightsbridge street, only to be recaptured and have his sentence exceeded by an additional eleven months. None the worse for the whole experience, Dale eventually returned to Detroit, divorced his wife who, it was rumoured, had betrayed him to British authorities, and evidently spent the remaineder of his career in peace and quiet in that city.
Tom Melville, The Tented Field : A History of Cricket in America, Bowling Green State University Popular Press, 1998, , p.81
Melville's sources are "Daily Inter-Ocean, 14 August 1883, 2; Clipper 3 July 1880, 115; St Louis Globe-Democrat 22 June 1880, 6; Detroit Free Press 5 June 1880, 6; 28 July 1881, 1." Tintin (talk) 10:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Just as an aside, Melville's use of "exceeded" is a strange one. He means "extended" or "increased", surely. Loganberry (Talk) 11:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Loganberry's referring to "have his sentence exceeded", which I agree is not something we'd say now. Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Mea culpa. It is actually "extended an additional eleven months". :=/ Tintin (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A request 

message: User:Gene Nygaard placed a "prod" on 1969 English cricket season because it was in "template" form and contained no data, just a few headings and references and categories.  This allowed us five days to expand the article so that it becomes a meaningful stub.  I managed to do this by talking about the county competitions and finding the top batsmen and bowlers.
There are several other stubs like this around which haven't been developed so if you spot any more "prods", just use 1969 as a crib and add some info.  --BlackJack | talk page 21:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this subject has come up, it may be worth mentioning that there's no consistent format for season articles. Compare 1904 English cricket season, 1969 English cricket season, 1997 English cricket season and 2005 English cricket season: all different in many ways! Loganberry (Talk) 23:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added data this morning to a few other "templates" from 1975, 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 and 2000.  The formats are very different and I think you will find the 18th century seasons also differ, though these are at least consistent within that category.  --BlackJack | talk page 11:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't worry too much about "prod" - you can just remove the template if you disagree with it.  It may end up at AfD though. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Cricket Season Articles  

message: Engineer's biography named From the far pavilion came out last year. Does anyone here have that book ? Tintin (talk) 14:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have it somewhere, though I'm in the middle of moving so not entirely sure where it is. Is there any question you have in particular about it? jguk 19:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Madras Test against WI in 1966-67, he scored 94* before lunch. Engineer has claimed that he completed his hundred with a six off Gibbs off the first ball after lunch (a report that says the same thing is here). It has been contradicted by Frindall who says that the innings included no sixes. Does the book mention anything about this ? Tintin (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked up the report of that match in the 1968 Wisden. It makes no mention of Engineer reaching his hundred with a six, and it's sufficiently unusual an occurrence that had it happened it would have been almost sure to be mentioned. JH 19:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Cricket Archive scorecard  has no sixes for the innings either. Andrew nixon 19:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. The online Wisden report doesn't say this either :-/ Tintin (talk) 08:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's also inconsistent with what Wisden actually says - unless by Wisden he was referring to Wisden Cricket Monthly rather than to the Almanack. JH 08:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: My guess is that Engineer confused two of his innings in his mind, in one of which he reached 94* by lunch and in the other of which he reached his hundred with a six. JH 14:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Jguk, very interesting. I hadn't noticed that. John, in his other hundred (v Eng 1972-3), Engineer did not reach his 100 with a six. I have a very interesting interview with him from the old Wisden.com site. I'll upload it later today. Tintin (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Farokh Engineer]] 

message: The new articles Minor Counties Cricket Championship, MCCA Knockout Trophy and Second XI Championship all include a list of winners.  I decided to do these as I can't find any similar lists elsewhere on the internet.  If anyone can add any useful information about the history of these competitions that would be a great help.
Within the minor counties there are four that have played first-class cricket in the distant past.  Berkshire was first-class in the 18th century but that team had no direct connection with the present club and is too remote to be included in the present club's article apart from an xref.  The other three are Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire.  With these there is a discernible line from the essentially town clubs that represented the counties at first-class level to the present county clubs.  
Norfolk and Suffolk were only briefly first-class and played just a few matches each so they are easily dealt with.  Cambridgeshire has a longer story to tell and I've so far only provided a high-level mention of its first-class era and who its best players were.  If any of you have some readily useful info about Cambs in the mid-19th century, please see Cambridgeshire CCC.  --BlackJack | talk page 15:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to the Wisden Book of County Cricket I've been able to add a paragraph of mainly statistical information about the Cambridgeshire f-c years. There's probably some useful stuff in Barclay's World of Cricket about the Minor Counties and Second XI Championships. When I have time, I'll see what I can dig out. JH 18:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It may be worth mentioning (it's in Wisden) in the respective articles that Buckinghamshire declined an invitation to the county championship in 1921 and Devon had an application refused in 1948. Andrew nixon 19:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Andrew.  I've added those facts.  --BlackJack | talk page 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Counties and Second XIs 

message: I've been trying to establish a consistent approach to the layout of the 18 first-class county articles and I've extended this to the minor counties.  The principles equally apply to equivalent overseas clubs but I haven't ventured that far.
Some of the county articles are much more developed than others and have significantly more sections, especially around things like club captains, club records, past players, current players.  Most of them had a history section and nearly all had some form of honours list.  Some of the articles like Somerset and Yorkshire were already very good; some like Essex and Lancashire were poor.
The approach I've introduced is to have a standard intro that explains who the club is and what it represents, followed by a paragraph about its venues and then perhaps a short piece around its current status, captain, coach and what have you.  The next section is honours which I've standardised with help from JH.  This is near the top to follow Playfair.  Next comes the history starting with earliest cricket in the county, then the formation of the club and then the main events in the club's history up to the present.  
This is where Essex and Lancashire failed because in both cases you would think the clubs were formed in the last 25 years or so.  
Some counties have a complete list of captains and this is either in the article or else in the club's category page with an xref from the article.  This is one thing we need to think about though the priority is to have a complete list for each club.
Although the club captains were mostly notable players, I think we need another list of players with most appearances (rather than most runs and wickets) so that we highlight the stalwarts as well as the stars.  Then there are the club records.  And so on.
I'd like to use this forum to capture ideas about what else we can include in these articles and realistically develop.  --BlackJack | talk page 16:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  County Club Articles 

message: I had a idea, why not post an article about Power Cricket?? where Asia versus RoW (Rest of the World) in 15 overs competition, there was a mention in Shahid Afridi about the first batsman to hit an 12, hitting the roof in Cardiff, England Rakuten06 18:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Cricket 

message: Following the iconic scores thread (above), please see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/99.94. Interested in the opinions of the Wikiproject. --Dweller 17:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[99.94]] 

message: See  for proposed rename of 1890-1914 to 1890-1918 so that it will include the new article 1915 to 1918 English cricket seasons --BlackJack | talk page 06:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Rename Proposal 

message: I would like to ask if this monster category should be cut down to size?  We also have sub-categories for English players in terms of place and time (though the latter is currently established for the 18th century only).  Perhaps players should be restricted to those because the big category is not easy to use and could be off-putting to readers.  Obviously that would pose the logistical problem of removing :Category:English cricketers from hundreds of articles.  Something to discuss: I have an open mind about it because of the difficulties a change would invoke.  --BlackJack | talk page 11:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've previously agreed (but never implemented) the suggestion that Test cricketers and ODI cricketers shouldn't also be in the parent cat, English cricketers. This might be the simplest solution, although it's so long since that discussion, people's views might have changed now! Stephen Turner (Talk) 19:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with this. JH 09:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:English cricketers]] 

message: Neither of these have disambig links to cricket-related articles. --Dweller 19:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now they do. --Dweller 17:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. How do I do that? --Dweller 19:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think a better solution would be to leave whites redirecting to white people and use one of those templates at the top that says "Whites redirects here. For other uses see Whites (disambiguation)" (sorry, I don't remember the name of the template at the moment). Stephen Turner (Talk) 20:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe it or not, . -- ALoan (Talk) 20:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Whites]] and [[Flannels]] 

message: Hi. Someone may like to fix this is up. It is basically a load of OR and somebody's essay. Also I blanked out the parts about the famous sledge comments as they would contravene WP:BLP as some of the alleged comments are obsceneetc. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sledging (cricket)]] 

message: Bodyline is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main issue seems to be inline citations - if anyone has copies of the hardcopy sources referred to, please would they consider going through the article and adding some page numbers to support the article's assertions (the quotations would be a good place to start).  It may also need a light copyedit. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How much time do we have to fix it ? Tintin (talk) 05:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If nothing more is done, it will probably move from the top half of FAR (review) into the bottom half (removal candidate) in 1-2 weeks, and then be removed a couple of weeks after that. If futher progress is being made, it can hang around on FAR for longer. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I've been away for the past week. I have Bodyline Autopsy, if page refs are still needed. Please post a note on my talk page with specific requests for refs - I won't have time to trawl through and find what might be required myself. -dmmaus 04:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bodyline]]

message: Is there a nice green image of cricket that could go here ? --Dweller 14:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the lead image for cricket is :Image:CricketSCG1.jpg, which is pretty green. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. I'm too stupid to work out how to insert the dang thing. Anyone out there who has a brain? --Dweller 15:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo mosaic 

message: If so, can you give me a page number for the obituary of Peter, the Lord's cat (or just add it to the relevant footnote in the article). Thanks, Stephen Turner (Talk) 13:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add it for you. Incidentally, as far as I can recall, I'm not registered at Cricinfo, but I can access Peter's obituary at  JH 18:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great, thanks very much. Stephen Turner (Talk) 20:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone with Wisden 1965? 

message: All cricket related categories (ie. including and below :Category:Cricket) are in the process of being tagged with the new  template. From this, WatchlistBot generates a full list of cricket related articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Articles.  The purpose is to be able to track the project history using related changes (or related watchlist which only shows the last change for each article).
WatchlistBot will refresh the Articles page every few days to once a week. 
This will make (the manually maintained) List of cricket topics somewhat redundant. — Moondyne 08:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CricketWatch 

message: Could one of you with admin functions please have a think about :category:English cricket from 2001 which is now in speedies as I would like to add the word "seasons" as per the convention established in the discussion about the Golden Age category which I have quoted in the nomination.  Perhaps I am too keen to get things done quickly but I find it somewhat pedantic that someone has objected to this change, especially as it was overlooked when the other category was renamed.  If it really shouldn't be there, let me know and I'll put it in the queue.  --BlackJack | talk page 09:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid he's right.  The speedy criteria is for a few very specific cases which this doesn't fall into.  It is pedantic, but thems the rules.  — Moondyne 10:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed from an admin 

message: Thanks Moondyne (Ian) re the above.  I've moved this nomination to:
As you can see it simply meets the convention agreed in a previous discussion and this should have been done at the same time as the first but was overlooked.  Please support the change because I guarantee some clown will come along and insist the category should be deleted for having no articles about chirping insects in their mating seasons.  --BlackJack | talk page 13:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename category discussion opened 

message: CricketArchive reckons it's College Ground, Cheltenham but there's no article here under that title, which surprised me given that it's hosted over 300 first-class games. College Sports Ground and Thirlestaine Road draw blanks as well. We do have an article under College Ground but that turns out to be one in Loughborough that hosted a grand total of two f-c matches in the late 1920s. Do we actually have an article on the Cheltenham ground under another title? If not, where should one go? Loganberry (Talk) 16:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheltenham College Ground is also a redlink.  Why not create an article with redirects. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The absence of an article is especially remarkable considering the ground was the location of the first triple century in a county match (the second in overall first-class cricket). Andrew nixon 18:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now written a stub, which I've put at College Ground, Cheltenham (with redirects from the others) since that form of the name seems to be much more popular than the alternatives. I've also changed College Ground to a dab page, since there's also the College Ground, Bulsar which hosted five Ranji Trophy games in the 1970s. Loganberry (Talk) 03:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Cheltenham College ground? 

message: I've just added an article about this man who is a significant historical source for the period from 1790 to 1805.  He is believed to have been MCC's first official scorer and he produced an annual series of match scores until, it is thought, he died in 1805.  No personal details are available as yet including his DOB.  Britcher's scores were not easily available for study until a few years ago and Keith Warsop of the ACS&H has made some interesting discoveries which he has reported in the ACS journal this year.
The Britcher article is a stub, naturally, but I'd be particularly interested if anyone does have info about him and can expand the article.  --BlackJack | talk page 21:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Samuel Britcher]] 

message: This article needs some serious WP:NPOV trimming. — Moondyne 03:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Darrell Hair]]

message: I've asked the Biography project to complete their boiler plate for this article and we should do ours. We need to rate it for quality. Being completely unfamiliar with these things, I also wondered how close the article is to FA status; should we request a peer review? If you could pick just (say) 5 cricketers from all eras that should have a FA biog article, I'd argue that most people would include Grace... --Dweller 08:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm absolutely hopeless at rating articles in that way, but I suspect it wouldn't make FA at the moment. It doesn't have any footnotes for one thing; I can't remember whether they're compulsory for FA but they certainly seem to be preferred to this sort. The "Records and statistics" section may also be considered to have too many subsections, and I suspect that phrases such as "when, as some consider, bowling was maintained at a higher standard" would also be highlighted by the harsher judges. Loganberry (Talk) 13:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[W. G. Grace]] 

message: A quick notice that our resident scorekeeper on International cricket biographies, User:Shyam Bihari has offered himself to the community for RfA. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice