Talk:Arthur Griffith

message: Not bad, but it needs more data about the foundation of Sinn Fein; Griffith was the main but not the only founder. This article needs to at least allude to the presence of others written out of the history books. Fergananim 15:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs expansion

message: Needs more on the Limerick pogrom because of its significant as the last anti-Jewish pogrom in the British Isles. Also it highlights a strain of ultra nationalism/fascism that you could argue is still present in modern Sinn Fein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.130.12.157 (talk • contribs)  (16:14, 28 November 2005)
:The entire anti-semitism section is problematic.  One of the references leads to a page that no longer exists.  Another leads to a Project MUSE page that requires registration, which means the majority of readers will not be able to access it.  The other references all lead to articles that repeat the same assertions and accusations (Griffith's involvement in the Limerick Pogrom, for example) without any one of them offering any citation or evidence for said accusations.  I would argue that this does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines and the entire section should be deleted until such time that adequate citations can be found. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 19:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-semitism 

message: This article claims he "was the founder and first leader of Sinn Féin". I always thought he was the third leader as stated in the article on Sinn Féin ("Founder (1905) and Third leader (1908 - 17)")
Can somebody make a confirmation and correction of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevioli (talk • contribs)  (23:13, 16 February 2006)
The Sinn Féin movement developed around the propaganda of Griffith and he was as a result its leading light. The formal Sinn Féin party was a part of the greater movement (the Sinn Féin Printing & Publishing Company run by Griffith was another part, the Sinn Féin People's Bank another) and was strictly democratic. Griffith didn't want to be the leader but reluctantly took up the position of president of the party after Edward Martyn and John Sweetman. --Stunion (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Leader? 

message: Before sticking a template in an article, I think it would be useful to state your specific concerns on the talk page, and give editors or would-be editors a chance to address them.  Scolaire 20:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I would just offer this link here, here and here which my help with this edit. --Domer48'fenian' 19:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  St John Gogarty an anti semite 

message: Did Griffith use Ó Gríobhtha in Gaelic? Ó Gríobhtha is the old spelling for the Clare surname Ó Gríofa, anglicized Griffey or Griffin. Griffith is a welsh surname so Griffith has no Gaelic equivalent. Art Griffith would be the correct translation of his name to Gaelic, however if he himself used Ó Gríobhtha then that's another story. Zimmer79 (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Griffith / Ó Gríobhtha 

message: I think the separate section on Griffiths should be removed and the content merged into other sections. Having it as a separate section gives undue weight and implies Griffith was the Irish equivalent of Édouard Drumont. Also the charge is often repeated by the usual crowd in the IT, Sindo and publications such as the Spectator.
His writings on the Limerick progrom and the Dreyfus case were appalling and as Maye notes Griffith's attitude at the time towards Jews is difficult because of what would happen roughly four decades later in Europe. However aside from what's mentioned in the article he didn't write all that much. Also as is noted at the end of the article he became friends with many Jews in Dublin such as Noyk and Solomons. Noyk and Solomons sister were both active supporters of the Irish Republic during the War of Independence.
CivisHibernius (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fifteen months later and nobody has posted to disagree with this. I propose to edit this down significantly and remove the section heading.  Scolaire (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antisemitism 

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message: The first sentence of the Antisemitic views section says,  Reference 20 says no such thing; on the contrary it says, "Simon Sebag Montefiore exposes the role of Sinn Fein's founder in an Irish persecution of Jews", as though the charge had never been levelled before. Montefiore's 1997 article is frankly anti-Irish, and in particular anti-Sinn Féin (even trying to drag Gerry Adams into it), and provides little in the way of evidence. Does anybody know whether this charge was made by anybody before 1997? If not, it changes the nature of the debate completely, and the section will have to be edited accordingly.  Scolaire (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there does not appear to have been anything earlier than 1997, I have re-written the section to get rid of the weasel wording and replace it with encyclopaedic, sourced content.  Scolaire (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antisemitic views again 

message: , can you explain why you restored the Quotations section ? None of the quotes in that section are famous. Neither of the quotes attributed to him are particularly illuminating. Neither of the quotes about him are sourced. There is no convention of having a "Quotes" section in biographies: there is none in Patrick Pearse, Éamon de Valera, Michael Collins or W. T. Cosgrave. Please tell us what you think this section adds to the article that it otherwise lacks.  Scolaire (talk) 14:28, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you removed the consensus version which contained the quotes from the article. The quotes were sourced and were indeed a positive addition to the article. Not all biographies are exactly like. The quotes section should be restored. Irishpolitical (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a bold edit, which went undisputed for over a month, despite the page having plenty of watchers, therefore my edit is the consensus version. Saying they "were indeed a positive addition to the article" is not an indication of how they add something to the article that it otherwise lacks. Saying they were "sourced" is also inaccurate as only two of the four were referenced, and anyway WP:V only says that all content that is included must be verifiable, not that everything that is verifiable must be included. You haven't made a credible case for their inclusion, so I am taking them out again. If you're that attached to the quotes, I suggest you create an Arthur Griffith page on Wikiquote, and add them there, as was done with Pearse, Collins and Dev.  Scolaire (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations section 

message: added here some text that in my opinion is not relevant. I had removed it but the author immediately put it back, so time for more opinions on this addition. The Banner talk 20:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: CaliLandscapes63 created the Albert L. Altman article in August this year. He seems to be eager to make Altman more prominent in this article, but the fact that he was "widely known in the Dublin press as a successful salt merchant" is irrelevant, and the "it remains curious" wording is unencyclopaedic. I also think moving the sentence – presumably to adhere to a strict chronology – was unnecessary. I've reverted, but kept some relevant detail, the wikilink, and the book reference.  Scolaire (talk) 13:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antisemitism V