Talk:Cardinal Mazarin

message: I agree that the Nantes reference looks wrong. And it says that Little Red riding hood was a satire on Mazarin, yet the article on the story makes no mention of him.
Gobanian (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Maria Mancini, mistress of King Louis XIV, looks exceptionally like a man to me - was Louis losing his grip in old age?  Apart from that, it's a very pretty family tree. Deb 19:48, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Tssk. Maria Mancini was an early mistress of Louis XIV. In his old age, Louis XIV was morganatically married to Madame de Maintenon. David.Monniaux 10:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Those pictures are of Louis XIV and Charles II, not Maria and Hortense Mancini, I hope... john k 15:22, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Maria Mancini

message: Now we have this naive thought in the entry. Was this "rumor" even part of the "Widow Capet" gutter-pamphleteering in 1793? Did it appear anywhere before that? Or is this a just a modern suggestion from the Mary Magdalene groupies? --Wetman 18:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Conspiracy! Louis XIV as Mazarin's bastard?

message: Shouldn't this be at Jules Cardinal Mazarin? john k 15:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't that bring it into line with conventional headings of other articles on cardinals? --Wetman 16:53, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Could that be so bad? (i.e. any objections, gang?) --Wetman 19:25, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: It's not unusual to use the title followed by the full name, esp. at first occurence: for instance one would not say Richard President Nixon. For cardinals, it's the same: for instance: "Cardinal Roger Etchegaray"; for this and other examples, see here. --Robert.Allen (talk) 10:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jules Cardinal Mazarin]]?

message: From WP:RM backlog:
*Cardinal Mazarin → Jules Mazarin. It is his real name, and it is more favourable to have as the title of a biography article the actual name of the person than his charge or title. Ralphloren171 (talk) 03:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: Until now I was convinced that the Cardinal's Italian name was "Mazarini". It stands e.g. in French Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.58.218 (talk) 09:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mazzarino or Mazzarini, Mazarini? 

message: What kind of cardinal was Mazarin? Cardinal-bishop? Cardinal-priest? Cardinal-deacon? Which diocese / church / diaconate was he assigned in Italy?
Top.Squark (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of cardinal? 

message: How could one renounce the nationality of a nation that will not exist for a couple centuries? Mazarin was born in geographical Italy, and his native language would have been the dialect of where he was born. This is all.CyrilleDunant (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality nonsense 

message: Yeah, there seems to have been a slow edit-war about whether or not he should be described as "Italian". I really couldn't care less either way but the generally accepted approach has been to describe cardinals born in what is now Italy as an Italian Catholic Cardinal. The article Italian people has all of the proper acknowledgements about the history of "Italians" in general which is where I always link Italian to. My only concern would be that having created about 50 articles (possibly more) for cardinals of the 17th century, I've used the above description for most of them (as most were born in cities and regions now considered part of modern-day Italy). I don't mind if we need to go and change them all, really, (though I don't see the point) but Mazarin's article is now really the only odd one out because of this ongoing Italian/not-Italian business. Would appreciate thoughts from others. Stalwart111 07:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian? 

message: Their love affair, confirmed by their correspondence, is not mentioned. Here's one source:
* CHAPTER XXIII, THE CARDINAL'S CYPHER LETTERS
Cypher Letters to the Queen — Expressions of Lore and Unfailing Devotion — Letter No. 3 — Letter No. 31 — Letter No. 34 — Letter No. 43 — Letter No. 53 — Letter No. 63 — Letter No. 74 — Letter No. 96 — Cardinal about to return — Unbroken Union 193 
BullRangifer (talk) 06:19, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love letters...The Cypher Letters 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: @SiefkinDR, in this edit I partially revert this edit by you, since it broke the short footnote (there is no Poncet (1959) source in the bibliography) – I thought it unlikely that that was what you wanted to do.  In the optimistic scenario that you can reconstruct your work from nearly four years ago, could you check what the reference ought to be?  Thanks, Wham2001 (talk) 15:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is from Dethan 1959, p. 24. The date for his return to Avignon is given by Poncet 2018, p. 118. I've revised the citations and text to indicate this. --Robert.Allen (talk) 04:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent – thank-you very much! Wham2001 (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poncet (1959)