Talk:Peter Ustinov

message: What about-(AGATHA CHRISTIE'S SPARKLING CYANIDE, 1983.)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.159.83.36 (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: Who is this 'Klop' that appears in line 5 of childhood and early life? Fairlightseven 
"Klop" was the nickname of Ustinov's father, Iona (Jona) Baron von Ustinov. In particular Ustinov's mother, Nadia Benois, called her husband this. According to Ustinov's autobiography *Dear Me*, his mother wrote a memoir, *Klop*,  about her husband,  which seems to have done justice to his originality of character, but which was also quite frank about his deficiencies. 
By the way, it's possible to take issue with the article which describes Ustinov's mother and father as "fighting all the time." According to *Dear Me*, the father was indeed an arrogant, philandering, emotionally abusive jerk whomn his son seems to have despised. However, Peter Ustinov wrote in the kindest and most loving terms about his mother. He described her as patiently putting up with her obnoxious husband and finding peace and satisfaction in her painting. He also specifically said that "her behavior was always perfect,"
whereas the father was a selfish boor.
Younggoldchip (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klop 

message: Could someone tidy up his marriage dates on the main page? They don't make sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.28.154.126 (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriages 

message: As I recall, the Russian composer for whom Ustinov was marked down was Rimsky-Korsakov and not Shostakovich.  (It's funnier that way, too, dont you think?) I just (re)listened to him telling the anecdote in his "Ein Abend mit Peter Ustinov" to be sure.  I googled and couldn't find any reference to his telling it with Shostakovich, but I found several obituaries in which the Rimsky-Korsakov version was mentioned.  Accordingly, I made the change.
:: Rimsky-Korsakov is correct (Dear Me, Chapter 9, p. 162 of paperback). Few in the era when Ustinov was a schoolboy would have known Shostakovich's name, let alone his work. Their sensibilities were of the 19th century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:303B:700:4D5D:FCBA:EC08:EECE (talk) 09:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian composers 

message: "Sadly no recordings survive" probably refers to the television special of 1966, to which the article is then linked, rather than the original radio series. I think the 'spiv' characters referred to turned up in the brace of repeats on Radio 4 in 1985. As it stands this passage is unclear in meaning. This problem also exists in the Peter Jones article. Philip Cross 15:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''In All Directions''

message: "...Ustinov never publicly acknowledged his African ancestry..." - except I seem to recall reading about his Ethiopian ancestry in "Dear Me".  I think he was quite proud of being so extensively out-bred.  Putting something in your autobiography qualifies as publically acknowledging it, does it not?(SpikeMolec, but not signed at the time, for some reason)
Ustinov was clearly as proud of his Ethiopian ancestors as he was of all the others.  In his autobiography "Dear Me", published in 1977, he refers to it repeatedly.  In discussing his far-ranging ancestry, he explicitly mentions five of his sixteen great-great-grandfathers, one of whom "survived the endless struggle for power in Addis Ababa."  He mentions his grandmother's younger sister, a lady-in-waiting at the court of Haile Selassie.  He describes a dinner given for Haile Selassie at his parents' home in London, and a later meeting with Selassie and his grandson, Alexander Desta.  He also makes it clear that others knew of his mixed race background, commenting wryly about someone trying to spare him mention of the touch of the tarbrush.  It is simply false to say that Ustinov never acknowledged his African ancestry.
: I agree, which is why I'm removing the offending statement from the article.  JackofOz 08:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ustinov's Ethiopian ancestry 

message: IMDB has him at 5'11 1/2" not 5'9"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.96.223 (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: I vividly recall an interview with Ustinov on TV some years ago when he talked about his father (so I remember, but it must be his
maternal grandfather Benois) who was a general-major (one star) architect. Ustinov mentioned that his grandmother was
therefore entitled to be addressed as "your little excellency". The Czar was so pleased with one of Benois' designs that he
was promoted to general-lieutenant but then had to not only reaffirm his allegiance to the Czar but also swear allegiance
to the Russian Orthodox Church. The problem was that Benois was a Protestant and he refused. He was therefore exiled (I recall
that exile was a commutation of a severe sentence but am now unsure). None of this is in this article. I can't have dreamed it. Was
Ustinov making it up? Gwgoldb (talk) 03:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ustinov's Russian ancestry 

message: Oy, please, can we replace the picture for the God's sake?  That's a hell of a gunt he's got going there, front and center.  Women and children may be watching, for the love of Bakula, to say nothing of how unflattering the picture is in general.  Maybe a shot with a little less of a fupa, brahs?
unreal...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ace Rutherfords (talk • contribs) 18:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture! 

message: Peter was also awarded the Order of the Smile 216.27.141.84 (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of the Smile 

message: Is there vehement opposition to mentioning Peter's appearance in the aforementioned song, in this article? Vranak (talk) 19:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Vehemence signalled here. I detest the triviality of Wiki's 'In Popular Culture'. So some famous-for-fifteen-seconds rapper alludes to something they saw and half-understood in a meme, and therefore earns a spot in a universal work of reference? Please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:303B:700:4D5D:FCBA:EC08:EECE (talk) 09:19, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheryl Crow - There Goes The Neighborhood 

message: Honorifics, such as "Sir", "President", "Pope", "Doctor", "Lord", "King" are only included in article titles if that is the name by which the person is known.  See wp:honorifics.  Repeated insertion of the "Sir" is disruptive. Stop.Shajure (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[wp:honorifics]] 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Sir Peter Ustinov Allan Warren.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on April 16, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-04-16. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng  {chat} 16:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Sir Peter Ustinov Allan Warren.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: We currently state: In the late 1960s, he became a Swiss citizen to avoid the British tax system of the time, which heavily taxed the earnings of the wealthy. However, he was knighted in 1990, ....
Getting a non-honorary knighthood means he must have retained his UK citizenship, and was a dual citizen of the UK and Switzerland.  How did continuing to be a UK citizen protect him from the UK tax system?  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 07:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Swiss citizenship and the UK tax system

message: This could apply to other articles. I think when a person dies they lose whatever knighthood/peership etc they have. That being the case should his name in the first part of the article be written as Sir Peter Ustinov, CBE? --86.146.113.245 (talk) 17:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually...wp:honorifics - unless this is how the person is known, the "Sir" would not appear at the start of the lead at all.Shajure (talk) 04:17, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

text: That is correct.  If you look closely, you may see it listed.  Please read wp:honorifics... this is a postnominal (after the name) title.Shajure (talk) 02:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, please note that the Sellers article is a Featured Article, and represents an example of excellence in WP articles.  No Sir.Shajure (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Knighthood

message: "University of Toronto Honorary Degree Recipients 1850 - 2016 Sorted Alphabetically by Name of Recipient" I suspect is replaced each year... not sure it matters much.Shajure (talk) 04:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A better citation would be more ideal 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the University of Dundee Rector succession box I have changed Sir Clement Freud to simply Clement Freud. Freud succeeded Ustinov in 1974 and served until 1980. According to his article he was not knighted until 1987. This means that at no point when Freud was Rector of the University of Dundee would he have been entitled to be addressed as "Sir". Dunarc (talk) 23:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Dundee Rector succession box 

message: I see that the antics of his presumptive heirs is being added to his article.  The squabble, and/or the individuals involved if adequately notable, can have their own articles.  I don't see how this adds to the knowledge about Mr. Ustinov.  I will remove it, probably tomorrow, unless there is support to add it.Shajure (talk) 07:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estate squabble - propose to remove 

message: There appears to be a 2003 TV movie of the same name.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0354213/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt
This seems to have caused a bit of confusion.Shajure (talk) 02:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2003 TV movie of the same name 

message: He didn't write anything with Thurber. Perhaps he did a reading of Thurber. Should this be in spoken word? Cloudjpk (talk) 14:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  works 

message: Shajure undid revisions and suggested that “militant” = “violent”. These words are not synonyms. History and lexical bundling of “militant” when added to the one being negotiated with necessarily biases the article in favour of the negotiator. 
Further, the editor suggested that “heavily taxed the wealthy” was hard to disprove. However, “heavily” and “wealthy” are such subjective and highly modal attributions that there is no way to prove either way. 5.151.174.80 (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of deleting, consider adding text (sourced and balanced based on how many reliable, published sources say it did not heavily tax the wealthy. Also sources that the students were non-violent. "  I encourage you.  The fact that I think the effort will be difficult has no impact on the fact that I encourage you to undertake it.  The fact that the words you point out are the point of view of the published sources is true.  Thus, a balanced view from sources that disagree is valuable.  Go For It!  Shajure (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

text: "Shajure ... suggested that “militant” = “violent”..." Don't do that: You made that up.  Focus on the content, not the editors.  It[focusing on editors] will consistently work very poorly indeed.Shajure (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

text: "Further, the editor suggested that “heavily taxed the wealthy” was hard to disprove." - again false.  Stop that. You may reread until it doesn't say that, then you will have read what I wrote.  "Finding sources that SAY the wealthy were not heavily taxed" may be hard.  I suspect it will.  My opinion is of no consequence or value, and you may consistently and safely ignore it.  Please leave me out of all your future efforts to find wp:consensus.Shajure (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Another editor fact-checked the source and found that the students were NOT characterized as violent or militant, and removed that comment.  Excellent work there.Shajure (talk) 18:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed revisions - students that were not violent and taxes that were not heavy on the wealthy