Talk:Kyōiku kanji

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zontas (talk • contribs) 23:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

message: The Kyouiku list is 1006 *without* the roman numerals; you can run a kanji count on the list given in this article and see that.
Is there some reason you're using circumflexes instead of macrons for long vowels? adamrice 03:52, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Macrons

message: Is it really a good idea to add alternative pronunciations to the kanjis that are listed on this article? Kanji characters all have several different ways of being used and pronounced, but I think we'd rather leave all the other possibilities out. The character set is complex in nature. I think the article was already good enough while listing pretty much just one pronunciation for each kanji (which I think are the most known ones, but that's just my opinion), but someone just added at least another one to almost all characters listed here. By the looks, they seem all on-yomi to me, and they were added before the pronunciations that were already there. On most cases, those are the uses for compounds, not the characters alone. I think that's not a very good idea. It looks too confusing. I vote to keep it the way it was before.
What do you think?--Kaonashi 02:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion the pronunciations are totally off the topic of the article unless they are the same pronunciations as the kyouiku kanji themselves. The kyouiku kanji consists of a set of kanji and their readings, the readings are learnt at different school years as well as the kanji. The English "meanings" are irrelevant - they don't belong here at all - the page is about the Japanese system of kyouiku kanji, and what the kanji mean in English has nothing to do with that. Also, synchronizing the meanings should they turn out to be mistaken is a big job. Meanings can be handled by links alone and should be removed from here. --DannyWilde 04:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I strongly support Danny on this one. It's a common misconception that kyouiku kanji is just a list of characters. It's not: it's a list of characters and their readings. This page is therefore incomplete until the readings are added, including an indication of which are on and which are kun. The linked kanji in Wiktionary do not contain this information either; just a list of all readings, whether official or not. English meanings, though strictly speaking off-topic, are useful. --Auximines 17:46, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe also worth pointing out that some readings are taught at higher school years. For example a kanji taught in the first year might have a reading taught in the second year as well, so to be 100% accurate, the table should reflect that - there should be extra readings for kanji X in year Y as well as the initial entry. Also, the list of kanji taught changes sometimes. In order to get this table right, someone needs to get hold of recent information and go through and check the whole table and add the readings for the years. As I said above I don't think the "meanings" are appropriate. --DannyWilde 00:08, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounce 

message: Let's count the kanjis:
* First grade (80 kanji)
* Second grade (160 kanji)
* Third grade (200 kanji)
* Fourth grade (200 kanji)
* Fifth grade (185 kanji)
* Sixth grade (181 kanji)
So:
* First 2 grades: 80+160=240 kanji
* First 3 grades: 240+200=440 kanji
* First 4 grades: 440+200=640 kanji
* First 5 grades: 640+185=825 kanji
* First 6 grades: 825+181=1006 kanji
So it's 1006 kanji without Roman numerals, not 996 kanji + 10 Roman numerals. Something is wrong in the article's introduction. Taw 18:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  996 vs 1006 

message: 世 is named "world" here, but 界　is named "world" as well, as in Heisig's Remembering The Kanji. To remain Heisig's designation we should give 世 the meaning of "generation".
85.2.50.169 (talk) 17:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of 世　

message: It's great to have this list with all the main translations. But why is there no distinction between ON and kun ? Also, as someone mentionned, the pronunciation should rather be in kana. Hiragana for kun and katakana for ON as it is standard. Having  ON and kun yomi all mixed up is somewhat confusing.
:I read the kana argument elsewhere on the page. I do agree with that person that one should have mastered kana before starting kanji, but to a layman user wandering onto this page, kana would make the list unintelligible, but keeping them in romanji wouldn't matter to people who can read kana.
:In fact, both readings ARE distinguished by being in separate columns. Something that is bothering me however, is the exclusive usage of "on" (consistently capitalizing it as "ON" makes no sense to me btw, even less so if you don't do it with "kun") and "kun". Nowhere on this article are the full terms on'yomi and kun'yomi even mentioned. (although their article is linked to) I can understand shortening both when space is at a premium, but the columns seem to provide ample room. For casual readers it might even seem like the abbreviations are the official term. I suspect the same goes for some who are more familiar with kanji, seeing how no one bothered to include them. This is an encyclopaedic repository of knowledge after all, not a collection of shorthand crib-notes.
:"Yeah, it's the ON reading and this is the kun" "-What does it mean?" "Don't know, just ON and kun" (capitalized "on" for sarcastic effect, I couldn't help myself, I apologize)
:I'll make the top most column-headers the full term, that should be sufficient mention without going overboard. OmikronWeapon (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ON and kun

message: :The French wiki page (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C3%B4iku_kanji) has a very good list of ALL characters for a particular year at its beginning. It would be great to have this on the English wiki page as well!! 83.77.175.39 (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a first cut at splitting out the kun and on, but I encourage others more familiar with Japanese to check for errors. --Arcadian 19:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a notation on what the hyphens in the kun-yomi are about would be in order. I'm not used to seeing it in romaji, so I was thrown for a bit, myself. (The part on the left is the yomi; the part on the right is the "standard, dictionary" inflection of a word typically using it. For example, やはーい: い, which could also occur as く or かった) Bob Kerns 09:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: I tend to think that this page ought to move to an English title, such as Japanese kanji curriculum or something similar.  No one will be searching for this unless they already know what the name of the standard curriculum is in Japanese.  What the page should be called in English, though, is something I am not certain of.  - Smerdis of Tlön 17:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. The fact that you don't even know what to call it in English suggests that any English name for the list is not well-established (nor is it Wikipedia's place to try to establish one). "Kyoiku kanji," (along with Joyo/Toyo kanji) OTOH, is pretty well-established among people marginally conversant with Japanese. adamrice 18:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move this page to an English title? 

message: Should this list of readings include those that appear in the 250 Man-nin no Kanken official book but are also marked with / i.e. do not appear on the test papers for 10-5 kyu? As it is, some are listed with such readings and some without. Personally I think that since this is a page about elementary school kanji the / readings should be removed, but in either case it would be better for us to decide on a standard rule.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eujensc (talk • contribs) 07:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  / marked readings? 

message: I'm sorry for my poor English. Where is the source of this article? (For example, a page from Japanese Ministry of Education that shows the list of Kyōiku kanji.) Or is it common knowledge? --64.62.138.104 (talk) 01:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find a government page with the list, but lots of resources have it.  Aozora bunko is certainly not authoritative but it's at least trustworthy (download from the link in the  section).  -Amake (talk) 06:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail at Google.  User:Erikku above links to this Monbusho page, which is authoritative.  -Amake (talk) 06:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 

message: 康 is listed as "ease".  Ease?
* wiktionary says "peaceful, quiet; happy, healthy"
* saiga-jp.com's kanji dictionary says "healthy; sound"
* Heisig says (I believe) "SANE"
I'm not sure I see all of these (or any of these) as best summarized by the word "ease".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.83.1 (talk) 04:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the difficulty with "interpretation". You may not see or completely agree with the author. Have you never heard of a "life of ease"? What does that mean? It could be considered "a life of peace and quiet and happiness". How would you sum up the definitions you listed? Boneyard90 (talk) 14:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  康 

message: Currently the table gives an On-Reading of ju, should be jū (じゅう)? Please check again and correct.
See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%B8%A6 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.81.236 (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor error for #953 	縦 

message: I noticed that the Kanji for cat is not listed in the Kyoiku Kanji. Is this Kanji not taught until later (I doubt it) or is it missing. If it is missing, how many other Kanji are missing?
--Rrrof711 (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No mistake here, this is a high-school level kanji - you can find it on the List of jōyō kanji.62.56.57.80 (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Kanji 

message: On my Android smart phone (Sony Xperia), I see [Grade 1] #8八; #28土, #29空, #30田, #31天, #32土!(=#28), #33花, #34,草 #35八!(=#8); #44口; #47見; #68八!(=#8); #70見!(=#47); [Grade 6] ... #1003口!(=#44). Those where I put a "!" are wrong. Many more from grade 2 to grade 6 are wrong, too, in the Android display.
The same error occurs in the German version (table with meanings in English), but not in the Russian one (table) nor the French one (list).
On my PC all these Kanji display correctly. --Tim2007viatge (talk) 21:34, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mobile version displays many kanjis wrong 

message: Did the number really increase? It was a plan, but can anyone confirm that it actually happened. 109.101.220.176 (talk) 00:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In「Shingakushuū-Shidōryōyō」it is 1026kanji. So 1026kanji would be correct. H.K.pauw (talk) 09:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  1006 or 1026