Talk:Australian English vocabulary/Archive 2

message: Seeing as wikipedia now has its own dictionary is this long list necessary or not?
*Does Wiktionary have special treatment for slang (such as collective grouping). If so the list can probably be shifted. however, to have any sort of demonstration as to what Aussie slang and common sources for slang (eg. rhyming, immigrants, TV etc.) some words will be needed, and probably some sort of shortlist or link to a biglist would be needed.--ZayZayEM 10:27, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary 

message: This is another area of divergence betyeen states. In SA we called them Delis (short for delicatessan (sp?) even if they did not sell anything at all exotic. In Vic they are Milk Bars. In NZ they are Dairies. Do not know about other states.
Myabe they'll all be gone in 10 yaers (eveer seen a new suburb with a corner shop?) and this will be ancient history?
:They are/were called delis in WA as well. I think milk bar is/was the usual name in the eastern states(?) Grant65 (Talk) 13:01, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
:corner shop here (QLD) -- seem to be being replaced with shopping villages in new developments (or nothing at all). But I'm still very regional, so city developments might be stuck with absolutely nothing. We had to corner shops on both corner, but now one has gone bust.--ZayZayEM 10:45, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corner Shops 

message: The following addition is not consistent with what the Raisin page says about Australian usage of the word:
In Australian English dried grapes are given different names according to their variety sultanas are largest, raisins are intermediate, while currants are smallest.
The Raisin page states that in Aust, raisins are the largest and sultanas intermediate. Any experts about the actual differences between Raisins and Sultanas care to comment... What definitions are used in the UK? Do Australian usages of the term concur with those of the UK? MinorEdit 06:06, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Well I am not going to lose a lot of sleep over this but to me I would have called what appears in the photo as more akin to sultanas. Paul E 06:49, 2005 July 14 (UTC)
Unable to sleep
I found the following partial definition from Encyclopedia Britannica so do not use in Wikipedia Raisin pages - again it would have US bias as to terminology. The only thing I can gather is what is a raisin  does appear to be loosly applied and not always related to size. As an pommy b. in my youth I always had a recollection of raisins being very small and my grandmother putting them in cake mixes.. but they were small (about 15 mm round) and black.
Paul E 07:31, 2005 July 14 (UTC)
Extract from Enc. Britannica
The most important varieties of raisin grapes are the Thompson Seedless, a pale-yellow seedless grape, also known as Sultanina (California); Muscat, or Alexandria, a large-seeded variety also known as Gordo Blanco (Australia); White Hanepoot (South Africa); and the Black Corinth, a small, black, seedless type, also called Zante currant, Staphis (Greece), and panariti. Other varieties of raisin of local importance include the Round Kishmish, Rosaki, Dattier, Monukka, and Cape Currant.
Raisins also may be designated by the method of drying (natural, golden-bleached, lexia), the form in which marketed (seeded, loose, layers), the principal place of origin (Aíyion, Smyrna, Málaga), the size grades, or the quality grades. 
End extract
::Having just returned from my local Aust supermarket it seems that Sultanas are about 1 to 1.5 cm across, are loose and tend not to stick together. Raisins from the same supplier (Sunbeam) seemed larger, but the main difference seemed to be that raisins were all stuck together and were moist and sticky on the outside, as opposed to the loose dry sultanas. This is just one manufacters definition (although it concured with Kellogg's Sultana Bran!) It is acknowledged that this may not be the most rigorous or accurate research method. I think I'll chg the info in the Aust Words page to match that of Raisin so that the two wikipedia pages match. The things you mention going into cake mixes in UK sound more like what an Australian might call a current. MinorEdit 07:44, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
:::as an enthusiastic cook who uses currants, sultanas and raisins, the size order is raisins largest, then sultanas, and currants are much smaller.  I concur that raisins are usually stickier but they are also much larger and often have to be cut if one wants even sized pieces of fruit in the cake, pudding, whatever ... --AYArktos 08:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Raisin]]s and [[Sultana (grape)|Sultana]]s

message: Not suggesting that we include these items - too trivial perhaps.. but I  remembered something after following the CANDY link. In Australia , they call "Candy floss" by the name "Fairy Floss" (Also it is called candy floss in the UK- ). Another remembered item was what was called Toffee Apples in the UK. Those apples covered with a coating of toffee. I'm sure I recall them being called something else in Oz. Another thought was "Ice Lollies" of the UK , I believe are called "Ice blocks" or something similar in Oz. (those frozen flavoured sweet and coloured confectionary items mounted on a paddlepops)
Paul E 11:24, 2005 July 14 (UTC)
::It is true that what is called Cotton candy in the US and Candy Floss in the UK is called Fairy Floss in Australia but I believe it should not really be listed as it is a bit trivial, but mainly because Fairy Floss is one of the original US names for the product (see Cotton candy). No, apples on a stick and covered in toffee are called toffee apples in Australia. I've never known them to be called by any other names here. There does not seem to be one established or accepted term for what are called Ice Lollies in the UK. As a child in Melbourne in the 1970s I recall many kids used the name Icy Pole generically, but this is actually a brand name. At that time I noticed many older people used the term ice cream (as in "go to the shop and buy an ice cream"). I believe people in New South Wales tend to say paddlepop (another brand name), and that in Western Australia popsicle is the more common term. I have never heard ice block used. MinorEdit 11:47, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
:They were called icypoles in WA in the 1970s, I'm not sure about now. There is nothing to stop people using a brand name in a generic way, if they want, as in "hills hoist". And popsicle is (or used to be) a brand name as well. Grant65 (Talk) 16:28, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
::Growing up in Brisbane in the late 80s and 90s, we called them ice blocks. An Icy Pole is a specific kind, I think it's a brand name, paddlepop is another way to call them, but that's also a brand name, and they're actually creamy, not icy. - Ben
::Still called icypoles in WA to date. DynaBlast 19:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The last time I've ever seen toffee apples, they were marked candy apples, but this was over ten years ago in Melbourne... I don't think I've seen them since. I've always used Icy Poles I wasn't aware that they were a brand name, and for the ice-cream onna stick, I just called them ice-cream. Martin Rudat(T|@|C) 16:35, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

text: "Ice lollies" raises an interesting point... as noted in the article, a "lolly" in Australia is just a piece of confectionery. In the UK it's one of those things we call lollipops in Australia. Is the latter an Australianism or is the term also used in the UK/US, lolly being merely a shortened form? --Russell E 22:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See lollipop and Lolly (disambiguation) for answer to above query. Asa01 04:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Candy floss

message: I recall that in the UK up to 1968 when I emigrated to Oz, people oten used the name "Hoover" in the UK for "Vacuum Cleaner". It was also used as a verb in the UK as in  " I'll go and hoover the living room  now". I remember the Australians looking at me blankly if I referred to "hoover". 
Paul E 00:16, 2005 July 15 (UTC)
: We understand hoover in Australia now. The same thing is happening now as tissues are becoming known as kleenexes, much to the delight of the Kleenex company - Ben
Actually it won't be at all delighted - when a brand name becomes a generic term, like biro, it loses its legal protection as a trade mark.  Companies with highly valuable brand names employ lawyers to review dictionaries and demand the removal of brand names or trade marks listed as dictionary terms.203.214.74.36 13:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brand names used generically