Talk:Windows 7/Archive 5

message: OMG, the worst error ever and they just don't fix it
When u do any change to a picture in the Image viewer of Windows the changes are automatic saved with No alternative! :@
I beg them to solve it or at least give us the alternative --Sotcr Excuse my English (talk me) 09:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned at Windows Picture and Fax Viewer#Known issues. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Viewer

message: Paul Thurott has written an article about compatibility issues with the Beta, which makes me doubt the final release's compatibility.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Compatibility

message: This section makes some dubious claims. For one, the Windows Live Essential download, which includes Photo Gallery, Mail, Messenger, etc., is said to lack features that were present in the Vista counterparts that shipped with the previous OS. In fact, I believe many of the Windows Live programs have a greater number of features, not fewer. They also have the advantage of being very frequently updated. The article should be edited to reflect this, and Microsoft's reasons for removing the programs from the OS (customer in control policy, antitrust reasons, software as services, easy download and frequent updates, etc.) -> in other words, I think Windows Live needs to be addressed better in the Windows 7 article. Anyone agree?
 
 
 _/|\_I don't know why the Removed Features section claims that the classic start menu and taskbar will be
 removed. Nor do I know why the Inkball game is supposedly removed. This section cites no references and these
 claims are the most questionable.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure as the the reasons as to why they we're removed but I can tell you that Ink Ball is not found anywhere in the beta release, I'm not sure about the classic start menu and taskbar, i don't see an option for them but I didn't look all that hard Redekopmark (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Inkball only appears in Tablet Edition windows products.  Is there a tablet addition of the Windows 7 beta? APL (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm... I may be wrong there.  The article mentions that it also appeared in Vista Home Edition.  Still, Can't imagine it's very fun with a mouse. APL (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It does indeed come with Vista Home Premium, not sure about other editions. --Resplendent (talk) 00:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It also comes with Ultimate. But anyway, mentioning it has been removed if the only evidence we have is it's not included in the current beta is an incredibly bad idea. We need a reliable source saying Microsoft has decided to remove it. There could be plenty of reasons why it's not in beta, only one of them is Microsoft has decided to remove it completely Nil Einne (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Inkball is not only included in the tablet edition of Windows. I know that Vista Ultimate contained Inkball, I remember even the betas, hell even the TCP (Technical Previews) of Vista (Ultimate) included Inkball. So the fact that Windows 7 Beta1 (and only beta as the next release will be an RC), does not contain Inkball is a possible indication that Windows 7 will not ship with inkball at all. Also to the one guys question, no there does not seem to be a tablet version of Windows 7, atleast not from what I have heard, however I think that some editions (like Ultimate) of Windows 7 will ship with tablet capability just as Vista did. About the classic start menu, I have not found the option to use the "Classic" start menu anywhere, however Win7 is still beta and they might add it in to the RTM build or it might already be there but just "locked" sort of like how the pre-betas of Win7 didn't ship with the superbar turned on, but with a simple hack you could enable it.TheSameGuy (talk) 07:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate are the tablet editions of Vista. Therfore, they come with Inkball. - Josh (talk | contribs) 15:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Features

message: The date of the release of the Beta should be January 7 (Release on MSDN to TechBeta and TechNet customers) or January 9 (Release to public) ?? - Sotcr Excuse my English (talk me) 06:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The 7th. The "preview release" field is for announced, official releases to a wide audience. Whether that audience is developers, IT people, or end users isn't really the judging factor. We've generally filled this field out based on whether you can get your hands on the preview release for free, or for a reasonable cost (ie. tens or hundreds of dollars, not thousands), and without having to sign NDAs or other contractual engagement.  Warren -talk- 21:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beta Release 

message: Thanks guys, for finally telling me why my edits get reverted. I'll stop trying to revert the stuff.
But some things need resolving:
*Shouldn't there be a Welcome Center behind the Start Menu, like Vista's image?
*Shouldn't "build 7000" be "Build 7000"? --MasterOfTheXP (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Windows 7 by default will not show the Welcome Center on Startup.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted edits 

message: I have added some minimum specs for build 7000 (beta version).
However i could not find any recommended specs.
one can only assume this is because microsoft still claim windows 7 to be a "work-in-progress" and so they do not know the full "power" of the operating system. another reason may well be cause they rely on users that have downloaded the beta version to inform them how well it runs, this however is only my own speculation, and bares no evidence.
Kira Chinmoku (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The page you used as a source identifies the specs you put in the article as "recommended", not "minimum".    Warren -talk- 00:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These are minimum requirements but are listed as Reccomended by Microsoft.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardware Requrements 

message: The editions has not been published, so, what are we seeing is just an speculation and is not right to put this info as official
If I'm wrong let me know and put some reliability sources --Sotcr Excuse my English (talk me) 10:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, Sotcr (I finally got it correct!)! I don't know who is coming up with these ideas about editions because there are few references to this topic. Certainly there will be an Ultimate edition but everything else is almost 100% likely to be bogus.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The editions are officially announced. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/feb09/02-03Win7SKU-QA.mspx . So it is no longer speculation. Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 7 Starter Edition. CCubed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.149.134.64 (talk) 15:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editions 

message: I got the Beta and there was a new start menu that was apparently installed overnight. It is extremely transparent except in the programs list. Each shortcut, however, has it's text almost camouflaged against the background. I do not know how to do screenshots and posting them so I will ask Warren and Redokopmark to do it. I found it by setting the taskbar to small icons and to combine when taskbar is full.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Start Menu

message: Why does this section exist if all windows versions are scrutinised by regulatory bodies? It is not relevant to the article if it is a process that all windows releases go through. Nina137.111.47.29 (talk) 00:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this section should exist on all pages regardless, unless it becomes a seperate page, most likely becoming a stub. Because there is no real reason for it to have a page of its own, it is therefore shown on each Windows page of which the anti-trust arguement is relevant. --Neutralle (talk) 11:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-trust 

message: Don't you know if Windows 7 will bring us animations like Ubuntu? I mean, minize, maximize and draging windows animations ¿? --Sotcr Excuse my English (talk me) 07:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It does though they happen real quick. You can make this suggestion to Microsoft.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Im' sorry I don't understand veery much English, u mean than Ubuntu does'nt have the animations by default? Is a third-party aplication? And I can install that in Windows? :) :) --Sotcr Excuse my English (talk me) 23:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Compiz Fusion. This cannot be installed on Windows. –Capricorn42 (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't expect Windows to be as advanced as other Operating Systems..--ITInfinity (talk) 19:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comment would have had greater impact and ironic potential if it wasn't posted several days after it had already been pointed out that the feature already exists in Vista... -- simxp (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Minimize and Maximize animations already exist in Windows Vista, if you have Aero enabled.  If by "dragging window" animations you mean the "floppy rubber windows" effect, these existed in an early alpha of Vista (see, e.g., demo from PDC 2003), but were removed on the grounds that they impeded, rather then helped, usability.  -- simxp (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I'm impress, thanks for the info! ;) --190.10.2.113 (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animations 

message: Why is Direct2D in "See also" section? I think, it has nothing to do with Windows 7.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.17.199.227 (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These all have to do with the OS. It is used in most of the games.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasper Deng (talk • contribs) 23:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Tom's hardware in this articlewrote about a build 7025, the first one to be split into editions. But Paul Thurott denounces this as bogus.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-Beta Build 7025 and editions

message: It says so on the Windows Team Blog.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it says it will stop being available on February 10. - Josh (talk | contribs) 06:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's been unavailable for about two months now, even before February 10. There was a download limit, February 10 was just the absolute end but you can still get keys if you manage to get an ISO. CCubed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.149.134.64 (talk) 15:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beta release is no longer availible

message: In the article, there is no longer any release date mentioned. Was this just done because there is no concrete planned release date?
Personally, I'd prefer there to be some date there, even if it is old. 129.97.227.204 (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Microsoft has stated that it is planned for a 3 year development timeframe, but the final release date depends on the quality of the product.  They have never set a release date. Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 01:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still: many readers come here looking for a release date (myself included) and come out short. Even estimates/speculations could be useful (here's one), provided they are sourced and based on at least some hard data. GregorB (talk) 11:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now added an ETA, with reference. Letdorf (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: I am using Windows 7 build 7000.  It seems that Windows Mail is going to be included after all, at least in Windows 7 Ultimate (I am using the beta version of Ultimate).  See the link for the screenshot.  This is a default installation with very few non-default applications installed (I didn't install an email client though, as I use hotmail).   Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 21:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. The Windows Mail app is included in the Windows 7 Beta but is hard to get to. This is something that will probably be included in all editions, not just Ultimate.Jasper Deng (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just referring to my use of Ultimate so as not to seem like I was commenting on all editions, just in case it were not included in some of them.  If your information is correct, then the article needs to be corrected. Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 22:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I just corrected the article.  Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 22:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Windows Mail? 

message: I wonder who put up that screenshot. Welcome Screen doesn't belong there.209.155.146.2 (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshot

message: It is lol if says Windows 7 will bundled with 3rd party browser. I think it is only a joke. Otherwise OEMs do it.Junk Police (talk) 01:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firefox/Chrome as default for Win7 = LOL! 

message: I think this may be an error:
[ info]
It's the top most entry under References. Thoughts? --TylerM89 (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem appears to be in Template:Infobox OS version.  I've started a discussion on the talk page over there. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error under References 

message: Wtf? Is there no way to get this back??? Why on Earth would this remove something like this?????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.37.221 (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The number was replaced by making it look like that number of taskbar buttons are stacked on top of each other, but there's a maximum of 3 for that. I have the beta, and there doesn't seem to be any way to bring the number back. I'm not sure where I would find the invert selection thing. - Josh (talk | contribs) 23:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Invert selection" is/was a menu item within the "Edit" menu of Windows Explorer's main menu (File Edit View Help). You need to press the "Alt" key to display the main menu because it is hidden by default starting with Windows Vista. Ghettoblaster (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed features: "Combined taskbar buttons no longer numerically show how many windows are in their stack"? 

message: Can someone tell me what's the name of that fish on the Desktop? I know that it's some kind of "fighter" but I want precise name... Thanks in advance! --Wladimir (talk) 11:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a betta (get it?) fish, which apparently is also known as a Siamese fighting fish. - Josh (talk | contribs) 15:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But the air bubbles are actually nonsense. I have this fish (the third one now, two have had died) and they don't make any bubbles in the water as they're able to breathe atmospheric air on the surface.--Azarien (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fish at Desktop 

message: I heard Windows 7 build 7057 is out: [Removed per Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking] Maybe some info about that could be included? Jerebin (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Found some download links [Removed per Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking] :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.114.72 (talk) 02:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows 7 build 7057 

message: Most mouse pointers are removed leaving only Magnified, Windows Aero, Windows Black, Windows Inverted and Windows Standard.
See image for details: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9397/mousepointers.png
124.13.32.131 (talk) 00:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OR. Does not belong in Wikipedia. TechOutsider (talk) 12:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more Removed Feature 

message: Would I be allowed to add a link to the Windows 7 Wiki on Wikia? I have seen many other articles that link to external wikis, but I am a bureaucrat on that wiki so I would like to check if it would be considered spam. Thanks. GT5162 (我的对话页) 16:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually don't mind external links, IF they add something very useful, but after seeing that page, I have to oppose that, that wiki is very imcomplete, and even if it had much more information, most of that would fit well on wikipedia, so I have to say a link to that would be a bit pointless. Just my opinion.... see also the official guidelines about this: Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided SF007 (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Windows 7 Wikia? 

message: The mspaint feature was improved so much it could be its on photoshop in Windows 7. Why don't i see anything about it?  ⊕Assasin Joe  talk  19:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Paint is still nowhere near photoshop. Its drawing tools have simply gone from "terrible" to "fair". Althepal (talk) 04:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  mspaint? 

message: What does this mean? It needs clarification.  It is certainly possibly to search within files in my experience with the Beta  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.119.203 (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ability to search contents of files using Windows Search 

message: This would be better placed in the New and Changed Features section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.119.203 (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Opens Poll - I believe It Would but lets make this work official. All those in favor of moving the changing of "windows sidebar" to windows gadget gallery" Please Reply with a Support vote all those against please respond with an oppose vote.--Koman90 (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed features: Windows Sidebar (replaced with Desktop Gadget Gallery) 

message: According to http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/496-taskbar-button-grouping-enable-disable.html you can group taskbar buttons, so the part about this being removed is not true. Can someone verify this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.20.68 (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Those instructions are actually for disabling combining (using one button for multiple windows). Grouping (putting similar buttons next to each other) cannot be turned off. - Josh (talk | contribs) 04:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grouping Taskbar Buttons 

message: The section on this page which discusses the "new" window management features such as snapping, and auto restore when maximized windows are dragged should mention that Linux window managers (and other OS's?) have had these features for a considerable time already.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmelliot (talk • contribs) 06:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Window manager would be a better place to outline the history and development of window managers.  Putting it here would smell of someone pushing an agenda.....  Warren -talk- 14:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New window features should reference Linux