Talk:Airline

message: Ideology - ideologically charged pointless sentences like - "In the 1950s, the De Havilland Comet, Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8, and Sud Aviation Caravelle became the first flagships of the Jet Age in the West, while the Soviet Union bloc countered with the Tupolev Tu-104 and Tupolev Tu-124 in the fleets of state-owned carriers such as Aeroflot and Interflug." Why would airplanes (aeroplanes) be separated by ideology and why would (obvious) state-ownership of Aeroflot and Interflug be stressed, even mentioned, but not state-ownership of Air France or BOAC or for that matter of almost all airlines in the world at the time? 
Is it an article about airlines or a cliche ridden idelogical American pamphlet?
How 'bout a List of largest airlines page -Mydotnet 23:22, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
There is such a list at List of largest airlines. 131.107.0.73 20:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comments 

message: This article is very biased towards discussing US airlines. No mention is made of the huge changes in the industry in Europe since deregulation in the 'developments since 1945'. I am going to divide the History Article into independent sections for each containent. --Gaainfo (talk) 13:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Airlines Bias 

message: Scheduled air transport
I did this, i realised that most of the history was in alot deeper detail on this anyway, I improved the intro aswell. I will invite anyone to feedback on that --mexaguil 05:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about airliner? —LX 09:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into Airline 

message: I am not sure whether this is correct, but my perception is most of the airlines in Europe have been doing relatively better than American airlines. The argument i have seen supporting the observation is that, most of the American airline had over invested before the economy tanked late 90s, but this is not very convincing. For example, most European countries taxes the oil to death and this should really hurt the airline. The current financial filing still show European airline doing better that American airline, 5 year after they seized over investing. How do one explain this?
:on the back of Delta and Northwest filing for Chapter 11 today, I'd agree with you that American airlines are tanking it... 
:the reason why European rivals are doing so much better, however, has to come down to the fact that most of the world don't like America and therefore prefer to travel on European airlines... that's the only reason I can think of!  Deano 18:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shocking to see such non-sense on a Wikipedia talk page. Several of the world's largest airlines ARE American based. See Delta Air Lines and American Airlines and the most successful low cost carrier in the world Southwest Airlines.72.39.210.23 (talk) 16:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe vs America airline (Question) 

message: It's stated that photos exist of Imperial Airways aeroplanes being maintained by Bedouin in the empty quarter of Saudia Arabia.  Sounds great. But who's actually seen one of these photos please ?
:A 1937 documentary film about Imperial Airways showing an HP 42 at Sharjah here:   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.115.114 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Or this (image at right):
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.115.114 (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imperial Airways 

message: Hey, shouldn't airline food be mentioned?  I don't know too much about it, so I don't want to risk adding incorrect assertions to the article, but it seems to me that it is a major cause of complaints about airlines in general.  I vaguely remembering reading somewhere that the average American airline spends about $2 per passenger per flight on food.  Plus, labor relations with the third-party providers of such food can be very important to the survival of an airline (as British Airways found out with that recent mess involving Gate Gourmet).
If anyone could research this, that would be great. --Coolcaesar 11:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about airline food? 

message: There are "Economic considerations" in the airline article but there are no "Ecology considerations"!
Airplanes spew jet exhaust directly into the ozone layer where it hurts more. Planes use 10x more energy than trains over the same distance and 100x more energy than ships do!
Airfield construction destroys large swaths of natural habitats in many cases. Overly ambitious airfield plans like the japanese artificial island runways require huge industrial efforts to build, causing huge diesel pollutions by hundreds of trucks and tractors. 
Jet airplanes hurt people in the large vicinity of airfields with terrible noise, shortening their lives and breaking their nerves. 
Rapid travel over large distances can carry infectious diseases and cause possible pandemic. 195.70.32.136 11:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias against mother nature! 

message: Does anyone knows which airline is the oldest in Europe? Alexzr88 10:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The oldest 

message: Shouldn't this article note the spelling differences between US English 'airplane' and British English 'aeroplane' in the sake of NPOV? Otherwise it might lead one to think that one or the other spellings are wrong.
:Since airplanes/aeroplanes are both a British and an American phenomenon, why not alternate the spellings throughout the article? 68.36.214.143 (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just use aircraft and avoid the problem. MilborneOne (talk) 09:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  airplane vs aeroplane spelling 

message: Why can't there be ratings of airlines? Ygb6147 20:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would violate several Wikipedia official policies, particularly Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:NPOV.  ArbCom, Jimbo Wales, and the Wikimedia Foundation are all quite serious about enforcing those policies.--Coolcaesar 04:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airline Ratings 

message: The 12:52, 19 June 2008 80.200.138.28 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation into Chinese Wikipedia 

message: A classic example of nationalism: someone replaces an Air India image with one on Pakistan International Airlines , only to be reverted later by me. The image was replaced again by a PIA image but that was soon removed and replaced by another Air India image and the pattern continued. To settle matters, I've added an image on Air India to a different section. Let us hope that the Pakistani nationalists won't object to it. --Incidious (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a reasonable compromise (the other is to remove both images!) MilborneOne (talk) 20:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  India vs. Pakistan 

message: My name is Tim Ebner, and I work for Xenophon Strategies, a public relations consulting firm. The Air Transport Association is one of our clients. I have added to the Airline Bailout section of the Wikipedia page in order to clarify and expand upon this period of aviation history. In the interest of neutrality, I would like to leave this entry open to revisions or edits. The information was added to Wikipedia on June 3rd, 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim ebner (talk • contribs) 20:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for declaring you relationship, it still might be worth reading our Conflict of Interest guidelines. Not sure that the airline bailout section might be a bit heavy going in an article that is a summary of ninety odd years of airline history, perhaps it could be more generalised I am not sure all the facts and figures are really notable to this article. MilborneOne (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Airline “Bailout” 

message: ...Moreover, the industry is structured so that airlines often act as tax collectors. Airline fuel is untaxed however due to a series of treaties existing between countries.
:I've worked as a financial analyst in the industry and this statement is totally wrong, as there is no international "treaty" with regards to jet fuel taxes abatement. There has been a 4.4% per gallon federal tax on domestic fuel in the U.S. (regardless of carrier's country of origin) for years and all of the U.S. States with major airports charge an additional ad valorem tax for fuel. Given the perception that air travel is an opportunity to pass on a luxury tax to non-resident, well-heeled consumers, there are comparable fuel fees and taxes in lots of other countries. The airlines pass these taxes directly to the consumer in the form of fuel surcharges.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.163.116 (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous information regarding fuel taxes 

message: fr:Compagnie Générale Transaérienne was founded one month before the German Delag. 85.170.16.25 (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  First 

message: Quotes from the August 1998 American History article:
"Finally, after considerable prodding by a new federal agency called the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, Congress included $100,000 in the fiscal 1918 budget to test airmail."
"The airplane drafted to carry the mail was the Curtiss JN-4H "Jenny," a modified version of the twin-seat trainer in which virtually all American and Canadian combat pilots had learned to fly."
---some jerk on the Internet  (talk)  14:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes from Curtiss Jenny citation 

message: This article needs to be scrutinized carefully for vandalism. On 25 October 2011 an anon, 93.46.34.158, made a series of date changes, with many dates that are off by 10-20-30 years, like this ,.--Incogm (talk) 18:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: serious date errors

message: Perhaps this can be mentioned and a cruiser-feeder concept page can be made ? See http://www.atc-network.com/News/41331/Futuristic-cruiser-feeder-concept-saves-fuel
91.182.189.103 (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cruiser-feeder concept

message: Mr. MilborneOne I ask that we reached a consensus. I had added an image of Avianca, because I think it is important to keep it in the article that refers to the first aerolina founded in America and second in the world. Avianca also still works and is one of the most important in Latin America.Koldorogollo (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldnt really add the image again as that is seen as edit waring, you may wish to remove it until you get consensus. We already have enough images in the article, we cant show an image of every airline (they are tens of thousand different airlines over the years. We already have an image of a TAM A330 to illustrate Latin American airlines, I dont have a problem considering a change of image but I am sorry to say that the one you suggested is a really bad quality picture, out of focus and whatever the merit of the airline shouldnt be used in this article, or anywhere on wikipedia really. MilborneOne (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have just removed it again. There's already enough, and it's not a particularly good image.--Dmol (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avianca add picture 

message: Is it really used a singular "airline" for companies? I thought, airline is a line of air transport, and the common name of companies is derrived from a group airlines operated by it, so the air trasport operater is called "... Airlines" usually. --ŠJů (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular for a company? 

message: Looking at both the table and graph for the fuel hedging there appears to be strongly conflicting data between the two. Adding to the problem, the whole section doesn't contain any citations. I'd instinctively say the graph is wrong but I definitely don't have the confidence to remove it. Forentitalk 04:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuel hedging data 

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message: Hi fellow editors,
I am unable to find any reliable sources for the data on fuel hedging, and it seems to be very difficult to find any reference for  data dating way back in 2005. Hence, I think that this section on Fuel Hedging should be removed, it also does not appear to have an important relation to this article. The reason for a C-Class status of this article is due to lack of references, particularly for this part of the article. If anyone has found any citation or can help improve this section, please do so! I will delete this section if no one can help improve it after some time, thanks. (Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Citation needed)
Guysayshi  (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuel Hedging Data not reliable 

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message: I suggest that the definition of airline in the lede be qualified as a common carrier offering scheduled services.  It is a stretch to describe the owner of one or two aircraft offering charter service only as an airline.  U.S. law clearly differentiates the two kinds of companies. I don't know about other regulatory schemes. Rhadow (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You dont have to run scheduled services to be an airline. MilborneOne (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Other definitions exist including that an airline is a certified air carrier and an airline is somebody who carries passengers or cargo for reward. MilborneOne (talk) 18:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition in lede 

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message: I propose to merge Passenger airline into Airline. The "passenger airline" article is currently a short list of passenger airline types with very short context which would be appropriate as a section of the "Airline" article. "Passenger Airline" is a small stub-class article that makes an easy merge. N8 21:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

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thread_title:  "Hangkong Gongsi" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Should be included in the main profile for each airline; independents should be marked unaligned. Ajpajpajp1 (talk) 11:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airline alliances 

message: The article states that the first regular airliner happened after it was proven by a flight accross the Channel on 15 July 1919, but all sources I could find states that Henri Farman was earlier than that starting regular flights between London and Paris from 8 February 1919.
The Farman brothers are indeed mentioned in the article but it is told they only came "in late 1919", yet in clicking on the source used for that information, it's clearly stated: "8 February 1919: The first airline passengers to be carried from Paris to London are flown by a Farman F60 Goliath from Toussus-le-Noble to Kenley."
Sources:
* https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/research-enquiries/history-of-aviation-timeline/world-aviation/1919-2/
* http://scihi.org/henri-farman-aircraft-design/
Metropolitan (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  First regular airliner ?