Talk:Baked beans

message: Where on earth do baked beans cost two pounds a can? I live in the UK, and have never seen a price anywhere near that! Loganberry (Talk) 00:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just had a look round the internet and the most expensive ones anyone will sell me cost £1.50. I'll update the page to reflect this.--Cherry blossom tree 21:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: two pounds a can?

message: What is the history of baked beans?
Who "invented" tinned baked beans?--feline1 13:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: history

message: Yes, the article is too UK-centric.
The Heinz baked beans in tomato sauce you get in Canada (and presumably the US too - someone else will have to confirm this) is a different recipe to that you get in the UK, Ireland etc. (other brand baked beans available in the British Isles arebroadly similar to the Heinz recipe). It is sweeter, with fewer savoury flavours (spices, onion etc.). The difference is enough that a lifelong baked-bean lover such as myself will not buy the Canadian version, choosing instead to buy Amy's organic baked beans, or to eat home-made. I understand that homesick English-speaking Europeans from all over Greater Vancouver will visit the British shop in Steveston to get their fix of baked beans that aren't sickly sweet to their palates.
*Eh? Why would Europeans go to a UK store to get their fix of British beans? Are you confusing Greater Europe with UK here? Secondly, while I respect your discerning love of beans, your elite bean tastes perhaps alienate you from what the article is trying to achieve - a description of the mass-market foodstuff that is an integral part of UK culinary culture. I mean, you can buy pasties filled with baked beans in this country. We love it. Magic Pickle 18:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it needs to be less UK-focused.  It would also be very nice if the article explained the differences between the various recipes, and didn't focus so heavily on canned beans (in my opinion, the canned product does no justice to the original).  Boston-style beans (which are really the only kind commonly found in New England, as far as I know) would never contain tomatoes (the very thought would horrify most New Englanders), but would be based on either maple syrup or molasses (my mother usually uses molasses) and would always contain chunks of salt pork, but very few spices and no onions.  The beans to be used are disputed: my mother uses soldier beans, or navies if she can't get soldiers (which are an heirloom variety), and would never use pea beans; but some others would swear by pea beans.  By the way, some New Englanders (including myself) do find the Boston beans too sweet, and it is not uncommon for individuals to put vinegar on them at the table. -GSwift 07:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Centric 

message: Don't baked beans make you fart? I don't see that anywhere here. JayKeaton 09:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most legumes have the problem of increased flatulence to some degree Nil Einne 15:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: fart

message: I removed the following from the traditional cuisine part
:*Baked beans are also part of an Irish breakfast
According to the Irish breakfast article, baked beans are not part of the traditional Irish breakfast an indeed may be frowned upon due to their connection with the English. While baked beans may appear in some non-traditional Irish breakfasts I would suggest this is largely irrelevant as they also appear in many other breakfasts styles with British influence. In any case the above line clearly does not fit in to the description (Traditional cuisines of many regions claim such recipes as typical specialities, for example) Nil Einne 15:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I think the last line (about the reason for bean price wars) is kind of useless.  Surely it is obvious that the reason for the price wars was for each retailer to get people to shop in their store, not to encourage the eating of beans or any other related foods.  That's what a price war is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.128.68.185 (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: I feel that mentioning Heinz is unnecessary in understanding what baked beans are. Their marketing research and advertisement slogans are irrelevant, and reek of commercialism.
Also, if you look at the H.J Heinz company's wiki page, this so-called famous product of theirs isn't even mentioned!
Does anyone have a good reason why NOT to delete this section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.80.30 (talk) 17:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about Heinz's website, but Heinz for me are almost synonymous with baked beans here in the UK. I think most, if not all, supermarkets have their own brands but none has the exposure of Heinz. So I think it is right to mention them in the article. --bodnotbod (talk) 13:32, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why mention Heinz at all? This is an article about baked beans, not an advertisement.  

message: I have enjoyed canned baked beans in Australian cafes, indeed 'metropolitan' cafes, and even the odd 4 star hotel. It's really not that unusual. I suspect that house made 'fresh' baked beans are the exception rather than the rule. This however would be speculation and original research. Consequently, I've added 'citation needed' tags. 60.240.207.146 (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto, I wish the article was true, but the only baked beans I've ever been served at cafes in Australia are the canned variety.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.96.140 (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Agreed, I'm Australian and have never known canned beans to be snubbed in eateries. I'd recommend removing the entire section as none of it is cited at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.33.242 (talk) 06:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

text: I have never once in my 43 years of existence been served "non-canned" baked beans at an eating establishment. The entire paragraph is a fiction.
Agree 100%.  Probably written by someone trying to make their cafe sound posher than it is.  How do we go about deleting this rubbish?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.99.33.59 (talk) 06:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: I think this page should link to the beans page given that baked beans are in fact beans TimPPreston (talk) 08:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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message: I love that someone would write the history of beens on toast  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:6B0B:BD00:A986:D31B:2E33:1E25 (talk) 21:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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message: Does this read correctly for anyone?  To me it sounds like two sentences got edited together, and something needs to be removed...
Wikinetman (talk) 18:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. You can do that yourself, too! --Macrakis (talk) 19:07, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...the greatest amount of canned baked beans is often part of an English full breakfast." 

message: I am confused how a foodstuff that not one American I know (and I live in America) eats, that is only available as a British import managed to relegate it's cultural importance as classically working class British poverty food to a foot note in one section of an article about how the whole thing was clearly American.
Baffling. 23.118.51.142 (talk) 20:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Bush Brothers and Company sells about $400 million worth of baked beans in the the United States every year. Their cans are commonplace on grocery store shelves in California. I had some for dinner last night, and do not accept your premise.  Cullen328 (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol. Baked beans are a classic American food which originated in the United States among Native peoples centuries before they came to the UK. The beans used in baked beans are indigenous to the United States and not the UK, and we do not import them.  Colonists in New England adapted the native recipes with European cooking techniques and got the dish we know today. Americans began canning baked beans in the 1860s, more than 60 years before the first baked bean canning factory opened in the UK by Heinz in the 1920s. More importantly, Heinz is a Pennsylvania based company which has been exporting Heinz Baked Beans to the UK since 1886 when Americans introduced it to British consumers in the international foods section of the Fortnum & Mason department store. Before that nobody in the UK ate baked beans, and the food did not become a widely popular part of the English breakfast until World War I when canned goods became a more essential staple during food rationing. Bush Brothers and Company is the number one seller and producer of Baked Beans in the USA, and they are based in Tennessee.4meter4 (talk) 22:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to mention Libby's brand baked beans (very common in Canada), until I discovered that Heinz bought that trademark decades ago. And no, I'm not user:4meter4, although we do have confusingly similar usernames. Meters (talk) 22:43, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is a California based retail chain with about 250 stores called World Market (store). Among many other things, they sell a variety of British and Irish specialty foods, including Heinz baked beans made in the UK and Bachelors Irish Mushy Peas. Cullen328 (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

text: And as one could attest from the (in)famous campfire scene in the 1974 Blazing Saddles movie, baked beans have been a century-old American cowboy favorite for creating mirth at supper time. Zefr (talk) 23:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention, the city of Boston's nickname is "bean town" because of their close association with baked beans.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Centric 

message: Just curious—from a culinary/health perspective, it seems that oligosaccharides and other fermentable flatulence-causing compounds are best broken down by the extremely prolonged cooking time of beans, and my guess is this is why Native Americans were apt to cook them like this in the first place. The nursery rhyme about beans is certainly true, but especially as it applies to beans cooked for what is these days considered a ‘conventional’ time of up to only a couple hours. Why, then, is a nursery rhyme about flatulence included specifically in this article about an extremely thorough cooking method which results in expectably low levels of fermentable compounds? Why is this nursery rhyme reported to be particularly ‘about’ beans baked in this way? Seems contradictory and overly specific—that is, unless the author of that passage is claiming modernity’s canned baked beans are particularly flatulent and the rhyme is about them. But if that’s the case, it should be clarified, as the sentiment is pretty antithetical to the culinary science outlined elsewhere in the article as to why such an unusually long cook is beneficial to digestion. 199.16.255.253 (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, and articles should not interpret sources to come to novel conclusions, as this is original research.  In this case, it appears that none of the cited sources were specific to baked beans, just beans in general. I have removed the section. The reference to Beans, Beans, the Musical Fruit is a link in the 'see also' section, and is merely as a convenience to readers, so I have adjusted it and left it there. Grayfell (talk) 05:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flatulence