Talk:Gynoecium

message: Moving this to Wiktionary, and replacing this by a "redirect", is an idea. At this stage I dare not say if it would be wise, it will depend on how things will shape up. The botany part of Wikipedia is quite immature. 
Having relatively short entries is not a bad thing in itself. Brya 09:45, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose merging to carpel as has been done with androecium to stamen. A related proposal can be found at petal. Richard001 08:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the merger.. I don't think anyone would have a problem if it was made. Ardo111 04:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose;  a gynoecium is not necessarily a floral structure, such as in bryophytes.  That said, I do think the current content should be merged with the carpel article, and the gynoecium page should become a disambiguation page only. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The phrase 'See carpel for a longer discussion' probably should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.196.187 (talk) 08:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Carpel was merged here it seems, perhaps the page names needs resolving. A number of redirects link here, including circular ones, and via dabs. I support the proposal to disambiguate and move this to carpel, but perhaps it needs a mention at WT:PLANTS. cygnis insignis 05:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: I realize that many people associate the seed producing parts of (seed)plants with female and the pollen producing parts of (seed)plants with male, but this is slightly controversial. Some botanists argue that strictly speaking, only gametophytes should be ascribed sex, while sporophytes should not. 
It might be worth mentioning, for the sake of extreme rigorousness, that the gynoecium is the ovule or seed producing whorl of a flower, which is often called "female" since it gives rise to female gametophyes. Similarly, the androecium is "male" only because it gives rise to male gaemtophytes.
Walter Judd is a proponent of this very fine distinction. I personally think it is OK to call carpels "female" and stamens "male" (though I personally attempt to avoid this terminology), I just think it is worth mentioning the issue in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaplot (talk • contribs) 01:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gyneocium = Female 

message: I have just looked over this page and agree with the tags that it is in need of serious help. I will take a shot at it and am eager to get any comments.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaplot (talk • contribs) 01:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revision Needed 

message: In a flurry last night and today, I have created a draft of a new page for this topic. I believe it is much more accurate and inclusive, however it still needs some work. Specifically,
-lots of clean up to be done;
-many words and phrases need to be linked to other wikipedia pages;
-references are needed; I will put more in as I get time;
-possibly the article should be restructured.
Comments or edits appreciated
Michaplot (talk) 23:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about the article needing clean up. I changed the wording of the phrase you pointed out. The reference is the Judd book. Walter Judd pointed this out in his review of some chapters I wrote for a book, and I have been correcting this common inaccuracy myself ever since. What do you think of the new wording?Michaplot (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revisions Made 

message: Under the section 'Carpel morphology', the word 'stylus' has a link to a completely irrelevant article, and so this link should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.138.105.254 (talk) 11:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, quite the wrong meaning. It is now changed to the appropriate Wiktionary entry. Nadiatalent (talk) 11:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant link 

message: I came here as a complete novice, redirected from "carpel", and was disappointed to not find a definition of carpel. Would somebody please include one in the introductory paragraph? From glancing through the discussions above I see that there are particular details that lead to all kinds of questions that botanists might argue over, but a novice needs a single-sentence definition to start from. You could use "typically" or "in flowering plants" to work around exceptions. Thefreedictionary.com says a carpel is "One of the structural units of a pistil, representing a modified, ovule-bearing leaf". Here is a set of definitions (undoubtedly wrong) to help motivate someone to start writing.
# A gynoecium is the female portion of a flower, comprising one or more carpels.
# A carpel is the female reproductive organ in a flower, comprising an ovary, a style, and a stigma. A single flower can have more than one carpel.
# In flowers with a single carpel the word pistil is synonymous with gynoecium and carpel. In flowers whose gynoecium comprises multiple carpels pistil can refer either to one of the individual carpels or, if the carpels are fused, to the entire gynoecium. IOLJeff (talk) 14:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point. Perhaps carpel should be more explicitly defined for non-botanists early in the article. I will take a crack at it.Michaplot (talk) 22:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what is a carpel? 

message: in my view, the problem you were having between you over the link to "androecium" is that it redirected incorrectly. As per the Kew Plant Glossary "androecium, a collective term for the male sexual organs, the stamens" and other sources, "androecium" is used for angiosperms and not just for cryptogams as redirecting it to Antheridium implied. Ideally there should be an article at Androecium, parallel to this one; until then it would be better redirected to Stamen, which I have done. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to androecium