Talk:Sadistic personality disorder

message: I was just reading this article, and it said something about enjoying Dinosaur Crunch Ice cream.  I haven't read the book, but I'm pretty sure it didn't say that in there. :|  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.232.137 (talk) 01:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dinosaur Crunch ice cream?

message: I think this has been a bit graffitied.... Cheesypot 21:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MeThinks...

message: I have removed the link to the Washington sniper personality profile because the profile turned out to be wildly inaccurate ("most likely a white male in his thirties,"). This is the kind of stuff that gives psychological profiling a very bad name. The link had obviously been included because it contained a lot of clinical theory from other publications. It would be better to find a less mistaken article to link to for this. Ireneshusband 20:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Washington sniper personality profile 

message: If personality in humans fully develops in early childhood, it is not possible for sadism to "develop in early adulthood" unless it is explicitly sexual. "It is not diagnosable until early adulthood" would be a possibility.. but sadistic people are sadistic from childhood.
Aside from that, what about severity in cases? It must vary from "self-controlled/well behaved" people to others, outwardly violent, labeled a threat to others. Perhaps sub-classifications; dominantly physical vrs mental sadism. There must be some document out there addressing details like this.
76.17.99.145 (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect facts.. 

message: With the exception of the unreferenced section, where the ultimate reference is the DSM III-R (which is implied by the section title; is more really needed?), I don't think the changes are supportable:
This personality disorder is not about sadism per se, e.g. look at the 7th criteria, "Restricts the autonomy..."; that does not I think rise to the level of sadism.  So I'm not sure a reference to BDSM is called for ... but thinking about it some more, it does belong.
Just as the removed references to similar personality disorders should be put back in.  If one tries to fit someone with SPD into either of those, there aren't enough matches for a diagnosis, but they are what people will first think of and examine.
Finally, simply saying "discredited diagnosis" is not accurate.  "Politically discredited diagnosis" with a reference to page 52 of Evil Genes (search for "sadistic personality disorder" on Amazon and you'll get references to three pages starting with that one) would work for me, and is supported by other citable (I think, it's been a while) references you can find with Google.
It might be better to just leave it as it was rather than stating "discredited" (unless you can find a good reference to support that).  The final sentence of the introduction works for me in emphasizing its status  without delving into the why. Hga (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the BDSM entry with its second sentence saying "While not always overtly sexual in nature, the activities and relationships within a BDSM context are almost always eroticized by the participants in some fashion." I don't think it belongs in the See Also section.  The other related entries (which reference it) will do. Hga (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes by Mattisse 

message: It's incredibly sad (pun!) that this page does not mention Marquis de Sade! --Legolas558 (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but unless de Sade was a sadist by compulsion, like someone suffering from this personality disorder, as opposed to a sadist by choice, he's just not relevant to this page.  Since the See Also section includes a link to Sadism and masochism which mentions de Sade in the second sentence, that should be good enough. Hga (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  De Sade! 

message: This is an outline of what Allison and I (Casey) will be talking about in our revision of this Wikipedia article. 
=== Definition of Sadism ===
-The tendency to derive pleasure especially sexual gratification from inflicting pain, suffering or humiliation on others
-When it exists in the libido it has two pleasurable tendencies at work
-Trying to destroy the object or trying to control it
=== Characteristics of Sadistic Personalities ===
-Demonstrate a marked degree of empathy in recognition of other’s feelings in order to gain gratification from their discomfort or pain
-Compassionate because they excel at discerning the feelings of others
-Pleasure in humiliating, controlling and dominating others
-Doesn’t always have to do with sexual arousal but it can
-Cruel, manipulative, demeaning and aggressive towards others
-Reveal satisfaction in intimidation, coercion and humiliation of others 
-Likely to view themselves as assertive, energetic, self-reliant BUT honest, strong and realistic
-Tend to have excitable and irritable tempers that flare into arguments and physical belligerence 
-Still have the capacity to share tender feelings to experience genuine
-Similar to those of paranoid, schizotypal and borderline personalities 
-They lack insight into the nature of their interpersonal difficulties and the emotional distress they cause
-Primary way of relating to others is by causing pain 
-SPD is more common in males than in females
=== Personality Traits Linked with Sadistic Personality Disorder ===
- The disorder has been found at high rates in adolescent psychiatric inpatients and in juvenile sexual homicide offenders
- Sadism is linked with acts of unprovoked aggression
- Guilt may lead to a “sadistic drive”
- Sadistic personality traits are linked with juvenile delinquency
-“Characterized by a pattern of cruelty, aggression and meaning behavior.” (Charbrol et al., 2009). 
=== DSM-III-R Criteria for Sadistic Personality Disorder ===
o A. A pervasive pattern of cruel, demeaning and aggressive behavior, beginning by early adulthood, as indicated by the repeated occurrence of at least four of the following:
(1) Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him or her)
(2) Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others
(3) Has treated or disciplined someone under his or her control unusually harshly (e.g., a child, student, prisoner, or patient)
(4) Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals)
(5) Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal)
(6) Gets other people to do what he or she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror)
(7) Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has close relationship (e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teen-age daughter to attend social functions)
(8) Is fascinated by violence, weapons, martial arts, injury, or torture
B. The behavior in A has not been directed toward only on person (e.g., spouse, one child) and has not been solely for the purpose of sexual arousal (as in Sexual Sadism). 
(Myers et al., 2006)
=== Removal From the DSM ===
-Was introduced to the DSM in 1987 by numerous theorists and clinicians
-It was felt that “there was a clinical need for a category to describe persons, usually seen in forensic settings, who demonstrated a long-standing maladapative pattern of cruel, demeaning and aggressive behavior towards others”
-They also thought that these symptoms and behaviors didn’t fit any other category included in the DSM-III-R
-Its inclusion in the DSM-III-R was shortly followed with a deletion from the DSM-IV
=== Comorbidity with Other Personality Disorders ===
- SPD is likely to occur with other forms of psychopathologic disorders
- SPD is believed to be the personality disorder with the highest level of comorbidity. 
- There are difficulties in differentiating sadistic personality disorder from other personality disorders. 
- Those with SPD are more likely to also display conduct disorder
- Bipolar and panic disorders are often linked with SPD.
- People suffering from SPD also oftentimes have comorbid depression or alcohol dependence.
- Oftentimes exist with borderline, histrionic, compulsive, and passive-aggressive personality disorders.
- Related to self-defeating personality disorder.
- Sadism is not found strictly in patients with psychopathic disorders
- Sadistic personality traits are found in “non-clinical, non forensic youth populations” (Chabrol et al., 2009)
=== Familial Patterns in Sadistic Personality Disorders ===
- There is a familial pattern associated with SPD.
- Relatives of patients with sadistic personality disorder often have some type of psychopathology themselves. 
-Patients with SPD tend to have had a childhood history of sexual abuse
-In one study 68.4% of patients had a relatives with a history of alcohol abuse
-SPD tends to start during childhood and continue into later life
-Childhood actions influence SPD later on in life
-Aggressiveness
-Impulsivity
-Acts of bullying 
-Absence of parents 
-Possible presence of “unsocialized aggressive syndrome”
=== Theodore Million's Sadistic Personality Subtypes ===
-Explosive Sadist
-Uncontrollable rage and fearsome attacks
-Subsequently contrite
-Tyrannical Sadist
-Relishes menacing and brutalizing others
-Intentionally surly, abusive
-Enforcing Sadist
-“Hostility sublimated in the ‘public interest’”
-Spineless Sadist 
-Basically insecure
-Cowardly
==== Links to Be Used in Article====
-Bradley, R., Shedler, J., Westen, D. (2006). Is the appendix a useful appendage? An empirical examination of depressive, passive-aggressive (negativistic), sadistic and self-defeatingpersonality disorders. Journal of Personality Disorders, 20(5), 534-540. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.2006.20.5.524
- Chabrol, H., Van Leeuwen, N., Rodgers, R., & Sejourne, N. (2009). Contributions of psychopathic, narcissistic, machiavellian, and sadistic personality traits to juvenile delinquency. Personality and Individual Differences, 47(7), 734-739. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/S019188690900275X
-Kaminer, D., Stein, D. J. (2011). Sadistic Personality Disorder in Perpetrators of Human Rights Abuses: A South African Case Study. Current Opinion in Psychiatry 21:1, 84-92. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.15.6.475.19191
-Million, T. (1996). Disorders of Personality DSM-IV and Beyond. New York: Wiley-Interscience Publication. 
- Myers, W. C., Burket, R. C., & Husted, D. S. (2006). Sadistic personality disorder and comorbid mental illness in adolescent psychiatric inpatients. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 34(1), 61-71. Retrieved from http://www.jaapl.org/content/34/1/61.full.pdf html
-O'Meara, A., Davies, J., & Hammond, S. (2011). The psychometric properties and utility of the Short Sadistic Impulse Scale (SSIS). Psychological Assessment, 23(2), 523-531. doi:10.1037/a0022400
- Reich, J. (1992). Prevalence and characteristics of sadistic personality disorder in an outpatient veterans population. Psychiatry Research, 48, 267-276. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/016517819390077T
- Reidy, D. E., Zeichner, A., & Seibert, L. A. (2011). Unprovoked aggression: Effects of psychopathic traits and sadism . Journal of Personality, 79(1), 75-100. Retrieved from brary.wiley.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2010.00691.x/full
:Looks really good! However, not a word about (theories about) causes? And, a minor detail, please only use capital letters in the first word of each section. See: [[WP:MOS] "Sentence case rather than title case is used in Wikipedia article titles and section headings". Thank you! Lova Falk talk 07:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see a lot of value, but we should avoid entangling this article, about a specific cause of sadistic behavior, with the greater topic of sadism, most of which I'm pretty sure isn't driven by this specific disorder.  I'd also advocate an approach of inserting this material into the current article vs. a wholesale rewrite (not sure exactly what you're proposing between those two extremes).  I have a few nits, like the DSM history, ought to be more specific about why it didn't make it into the DSM-IV (maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become) and it's mirror disorder about which the political fuss was made, but overall, at first glance, this looks good. Hga (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hga: "maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become"? - sounds to me like point of view. Also, a neutral text about the discussion on the DSM process (with sources) belongs to a DSM article and not to this article. Lova Falk talk 15:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pretty well established point of view, but, agreed, wading into that general topic in this article would not be correct, a simple reference like the one in this comment of mine is sufficient. Hga (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sadistic Personality Disorder (SPD) 

message: -Explosive Sadist
-Uncontrollable rage and fearsome attacks
-Subsequently contrite
-Tyrannical Sadist
-Relishes menacing and brutalizing others
-Intentionally surly, abusive
-Enforcing Sadist
-“Hostility sublimated in the ‘public interest’”
-Spineless Sadist 
-Basically insecure
-Cowardly
==== Links to Be Used in Article====
-Bradley, R., Shedler, J., Westen, D. (2006). Is the appendix a useful appendage? An empirical examination of depressive, passive-aggressive (negativistic), sadistic and self-defeatingpersonality disorders. Journal of Personality Disorders, 20(5), 534-540. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.2006.20.5.524
- Chabrol, H., Van Leeuwen, N., Rodgers, R., & Sejourne, N. (2009). Contributions of psychopathic, narcissistic, machiavellian, and sadistic personality traits to juvenile delinquency. Personality and Individual Differences, 47(7), 734-739. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/S019188690900275X
-Kaminer, D., Stein, D. J. (2011). Sadistic Personality Disorder in Perpetrators of Human Rights Abuses: A South African Case Study. Current Opinion in Psychiatry 21:1, 84-92. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.15.6.475.19191
-Million, T. (1996). Disorders of Personality DSM-IV and Beyond. New York: Wiley-Interscience Publication. 
- Myers, W. C., Burket, R. C., & Husted, D. S. (2006). Sadistic personality disorder and comorbid mental illness in adolescent psychiatric inpatients. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 34(1), 61-71. Retrieved from http://www.jaapl.org/content/34/1/61.full.pdf html
-O'Meara, A., Davies, J., & Hammond, S. (2011). The psychometric properties and utility of the Short Sadistic Impulse Scale (SSIS). Psychological Assessment, 23(2), 523-531. doi:10.1037/a0022400
- Reich, J. (1992). Prevalence and characteristics of sadistic personality disorder in an outpatient veterans population. Psychiatry Research, 48, 267-276. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/016517819390077T
- Reidy, D. E., Zeichner, A., & Seibert, L. A. (2011). Unprovoked aggression: Effects of psychopathic traits and sadism . Journal of Personality, 79(1), 75-100. Retrieved from brary.wiley.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2010.00691.x/full
:Looks really good! However, not a word about (theories about) causes? And, a minor detail, please only use capital letters in the first word of each section. See: [[WP:MOS] "Sentence case rather than title case is used in Wikipedia article titles and section headings". Thank you! Lova Falk talk 07:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see a lot of value, but we should avoid entangling this article, about a specific cause of sadistic behavior, with the greater topic of sadism, most of which I'm pretty sure isn't driven by this specific disorder.  I'd also advocate an approach of inserting this material into the current article vs. a wholesale rewrite (not sure exactly what you're proposing between those two extremes).  I have a few nits, like the DSM history, ought to be more specific about why it didn't make it into the DSM-IV (maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become) and it's mirror disorder about which the political fuss was made, but overall, at first glance, this looks good. Hga (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hga: "maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become"? - sounds to me like point of view. Also, a neutral text about the discussion on the DSM process (with sources) belongs to a DSM article and not to this article. Lova Falk talk 15:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pretty well established point of view, but, agreed, wading into that general topic in this article would not be correct, a simple reference like the one in this comment of mine is sufficient. Hga (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theodore Million's Sadistic Personality Subtypes 

message: -Bradley, R., Shedler, J., Westen, D. (2006). Is the appendix a useful appendage? An empirical examination of depressive, passive-aggressive (negativistic), sadistic and self-defeatingpersonality disorders. Journal of Personality Disorders, 20(5), 534-540. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.2006.20.5.524
- Chabrol, H., Van Leeuwen, N., Rodgers, R., & Sejourne, N. (2009). Contributions of psychopathic, narcissistic, machiavellian, and sadistic personality traits to juvenile delinquency. Personality and Individual Differences, 47(7), 734-739. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/S019188690900275X
-Kaminer, D., Stein, D. J. (2011). Sadistic Personality Disorder in Perpetrators of Human Rights Abuses: A South African Case Study. Current Opinion in Psychiatry 21:1, 84-92. Retrieved from http://guilfordjournals.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/pdf/10.1521/pedi.15.6.475.19191
-Million, T. (1996). Disorders of Personality DSM-IV and Beyond. New York: Wiley-Interscience Publication. 
- Myers, W. C., Burket, R. C., & Husted, D. S. (2006). Sadistic personality disorder and comorbid mental illness in adolescent psychiatric inpatients. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 34(1), 61-71. Retrieved from http://www.jaapl.org/content/34/1/61.full.pdf html
-O'Meara, A., Davies, J., & Hammond, S. (2011). The psychometric properties and utility of the Short Sadistic Impulse Scale (SSIS). Psychological Assessment, 23(2), 523-531. doi:10.1037/a0022400
- Reich, J. (1992). Prevalence and characteristics of sadistic personality disorder in an outpatient veterans population. Psychiatry Research, 48, 267-276. Retrieved from http://www.sciencedirect.com.proxy.bc.edu/science/article/pii/016517819390077T
- Reidy, D. E., Zeichner, A., & Seibert, L. A. (2011). Unprovoked aggression: Effects of psychopathic traits and sadism . Journal of Personality, 79(1), 75-100. Retrieved from brary.wiley.com.proxy.bc.edu/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2010.00691.x/full
:Looks really good! However, not a word about (theories about) causes? And, a minor detail, please only use capital letters in the first word of each section. See: [[WP:MOS] "Sentence case rather than title case is used in Wikipedia article titles and section headings". Thank you! Lova Falk talk 07:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see a lot of value, but we should avoid entangling this article, about a specific cause of sadistic behavior, with the greater topic of sadism, most of which I'm pretty sure isn't driven by this specific disorder.  I'd also advocate an approach of inserting this material into the current article vs. a wholesale rewrite (not sure exactly what you're proposing between those two extremes).  I have a few nits, like the DSM history, ought to be more specific about why it didn't make it into the DSM-IV (maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become) and it's mirror disorder about which the political fuss was made, but overall, at first glance, this looks good. Hga (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hga: "maybe even a reference to how blatant the general DSM process has become"? - sounds to me like point of view. Also, a neutral text about the discussion on the DSM process (with sources) belongs to a DSM article and not to this article. Lova Falk talk 15:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pretty well established point of view, but, agreed, wading into that general topic in this article would not be correct, a simple reference like the one in this comment of mine is sufficient. Hga (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to Be Used in Article

message: Sadistic personality disorder has been removed from the DSM, but for questionable reasons. Legal action was threatened.   
Sadists do not seek treatment--but criminals don't seek treatment either; sadists don't think there's anything wrong with themselves--but neither do alcoholics in denial nor child molesters.  On the contrary these strongly defend themselves and their behavior; they believe their rights are being violated; they are comfortable with their behavior.
   
Empathy is a key part of human behavior--as social beings our ability to perceive AND identify with another persons' feelings is essential to human relationships.  Our mirror neurons help us perceive other people's feelings and when another feels pain we logically should feel pain. Feeling pleasure at another's pain is either a profound loss or an unhealthy connection.  Because of this, sadism could be described as an antisocial personality disorder.
The fact that the DSM continues to list their victims with "self-defeating personality disorder" is a clear indication that something is gravely amiss. Margaret9mary205.167.120.201 (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rethinking Sadistic personality disorder 

message: I have removed the vast amount of unsourced and irrelevant material.  After doing so, it occurred to me that the whole page should be deleted with any remaining relevant material moved to Antisocial personality disorder or Psychopathy.  Thoughts?  — James Cantor (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we can Blow it up and start over from scratch. --Mr. Guye (talk) 22:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete page, put relevant material on more relevant pages? 

message: After checking the dates, I've removed the copy/paste warning that cited https://deviancebehaviorcriminology.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/sadistic-personality-disorder/. That article was posted on February 19, 2014. However, it appears to be a copy of even older versions of the Wikipedia article, ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sadistic_personality_disorder&oldid=579896111. That is, the linked article appears to have copied Wikipedia, not the other way around. This is further substantiated by the WordPress article linking to the Wikipedia article for its sources. kmarple1 (talk) 13:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Copy/Paste Warning 

message: Many fictional villains, especially pure evil ones have sadistic personality disorder. For example, Chucky from Chucky and Pennywise from IT enjoy suffering of the heroes. 136.158.59.157 (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture?