Talk:Skybus Airlines

message: I'm not the best at writing things, so I'll leave this to someone else.  But today is the last day Skybus is going to fly.  Beginning Saturday, all flights have been canceled.
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2008/04/04/flight.html?sid=102
24.95.33.170 (talk)
:Sweet. Walmart Airways has officially collapsed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.106.1 (talk) 12:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Skybus to Close

message: I noticed some new information just popped up for this article by a couple unregistered users and it has no reference.  I searched, but could find none either.  If anyone knows where this info came from and whether it is real, please reply to this.  Thank you.  Polypmaster
:I edited in a lot of information I got from attending a job interview for Skybus.  71.212.94.81 20:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be really careful with that. If you reveal something confidential, you could get in some hot water. Doesn't help your case for getting hired either.--Analogue Kid 02:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was an open interview.  They chose to make the information available to the public.  And at $9/flight hour, half what other airlines pay, I'll pass. 71.212.94.81 19:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I will leave the fact tags on until that information comes out in print or on the net.  As for the job, I agree with you, I would definitely pass on the pay.  Although if Skybus is successful the 10% commission could easily make up for the low pay and then some.  But that is neither here nor there. Oh, is the info about the advertisements in reference to the exterior, the interior, or both?  Polypmaster 14:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the director of inflight, anything a company wants to put an ad on will be for sale, inside and out.71.212.100.201 04:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interseting.  Well as much as I think that it may be a nusiance, they might actually succeed.  Until this info I really had no idea how they planned on keeping fares below Southwest.  If this succeeds, I think they will grow very fast.  If not, they will crash and burn within a year. Polypmaster 05:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the info about the Nationwide livery from an inside source info also?  Also, if someone has a pic of that, it would be great.  Hey!  I just found one by the same author of the one on the article now.  I will request permission for the use of it.  I think a photo of it counts as proper citation.  Polypmaster 05:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced Information

message: This section either needs sourced or deleted. I'm a bit more in favor of deletion because none of the flights have started yet so how can we know how experenced the pilots & flight attendents are or how "pushy" the flight attendents are until they start flying. Jon 14:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally added it because there were multiple online discussions between pilots and other aviation enthusiasts regarding the low wages and non-union employees and it seemed pertinent to include the thoughts of the airline industry about the airline.  I have since lost the location of the website and I don't even know if an internet chat is a valid reference or if it constitutes as original research.  Either way, I have removed the section because it is too early for valid references regarding criticism.  Polypmaster 01:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Is this information useful in a Wikipedia article?  Or is there some other reason for it?  Polypmaster 18:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section

message: "Starting pilot wages will also be well below average, starting at $65,000 annually.[12] The average commercial airline pilot wage is approximately $135,000.[13]" The second sentence is apples to oranges because it's comparing a starting pilots salary to the pilots with average about of experence. Jon 18:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to say the average starting pilot's wages is $100,000 but it was changed.  I will find the reference I used and fix it. Polypmaster 21:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Apples to Oranges Comparison

message: Is the chart about number of aircraft in service, type and seating size needed?  That information can be found in other paragraphs and in the infobox.  Even if we want to keep it, the leased 319s are 144 seats, the new ones coming at the end of 2008 will be 156. Polypmaster 13:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All aircraft pages have a chart listing the Fleet which include: number in service, type, and passenger capacity (some also have "routes used"). Sox23 20:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that's fine.  It just seems repetitive, but standards are standards. Polypmaster 21:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful information 

message: I am curious if anyone has any updated information on the 65 aircraft Skybus ordered from Airbus.  Originally they were to begin delivery at the end of 2008, but it appears that Skybus has already received their first plane. (see: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a319-3171.htm) Notice that the first flight of this aircraft was June 20th, 2007.  According to other sources on the net this is the first plane to be delivered to Skybus, but I have not seen any info in a credible news source.  I also believe this is their first 156 seat plane.  Thanks for any info.  Polypmaster 21:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Is this a 156 seater? Polypmaster 18:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again.  I am curious whom it is leased through since every reference to the plane online insists it is Skybus's first purchased aircraft.  The fist pictures of it were also in Europe.  I am not saying that the internet is always a very reliable source, but there must be some accurate data on this aircraft. Polypmaster 23:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Very interesting.  You are a wealth of information.  Seriously.  That is an interesting setup.  It actually sounds better for the passengers and will allow for faster turn around.  Good luck in your endeavors.  I hope to see Skybus start to pull 24 minute turns soon.  I haven't seen it yet, but it is early. Polypmaster 03:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to add some info, I was at the Airport last night and saw plane N552SX which according to the FAA database is owned by the International Lease Finance Corporation. Guess they take whatever planes they can get.--Analogue Kid 18:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I haven't yet.  I don't buy my own tickets usually, so its up to the company buying my flights.  I am sure I will fly Skybus at least once by next year though.  Yea, the Virgin america planes are owned by ILFC I think.  I am not sure, but that is the impression I got. Polypmaster 15:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Aircraft 

message: Golich17 has decided that this page should be cited with only a direct link rather than use of a citation template. He states that using templates is messy and time consuming. I personally have not done a whole lot of work on this page, but I know others who have would probably like to comment. Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How_to_cite_sources notes that neither method is preferred, however if a page has consistently used one style, it should not be changed without discussion first. I personally am in favor of using citation templates. Especially with news, if the link goes dead for some reason, it is much easier to track down the particular text when you have all the info there. Because it does specifically say "citation templates should not be added against consensus, and editors should not change articles from one style to another if there are objections" in WP:REF, I'm going to revert the page back to its previous state pending the outcome of this discussion.--Analogue Kid 19:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Templates 

message: I stumbled across this article and I do not see why it is not a B-class article.  The reasons stated were bad referencing but I think the citation templates and number of references are more than sufficient for a B-class article.  I would suggest the main editors submit this article for a new rating.  Professor Davies 19:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating 

message: While reviewing one of the references about the Charlotte flights, I noticed that the information provided seemed eerily familiar to a lot of text I wrote in the Wikipedia article on Skybus.  By the end I had realized that the author of the article not only used the Wikipedia information to write his article, but he misinterpreted the funding section.  When he stated that Skybus had raised $233 million in startup capital, I thought to myself, "I don't remember that number from anywhere.  I thought is was $160 million."  I then looked at the Wikipedia article and noticed that the wording in the funding section suggests the $72.7 million raised in second-round funding is seperate form the $160 million, not part of it.  Adding those numbers, you get $232.7 million.  I changed the wording so it makes more sense, but this is a good lesson in proper writing.  While I do not advocate journalists referring to Wikipedia for their articles, it will happen regardless, so everyone needs to be careful.  Have a good day. Polypmaster 14:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well-worded text 

message: I just noticed that MD11Driver made a number of edits recently that do not have any references, and are most likely insider information.  On top of that, they are poorly worded with a number of run-on sentences.  While insider sources are not unacceptable, without a reference to the source the information is essentially useless in an encyclopedia.  I am too busy to work on these edits, but the options are:
a) Revert them until sources for the information are found.
b) Clean up the text, remove/edit any biased text, and add sources.
Until this is done, the article's information is questionable at best.  No offense to MD11Driver, I appreciate your additions, but as Wikipedia is in encyclopedia format and is heavily scrutinized, all attempts must be made to provide clear, concise, accurate, unbiased information to its readers. 
Polypmaster 11:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insider Information 

message: I have a question. Does anyone know the exact year when Skybus was founded? Reading the Skybus Airlines article last summer, it said that the airline was founded in 2006. Reading the article today, it said that the airline is founded in 2004. I wonder which one is more correct.  NHRHS2010  talk  05:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I have read, Skybus was originally conceived in 2004, but it was not incorporated until 2006.  I do not know the exact numbers, but there was news about Skybus starting in 2004. Polypmaster 02:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding date 

message: I recenty flew round trip on Skybus to Punta Gorda, and I did not see any advertisements on the interior of either aircraft. I flew down on the Capital One sponsored plane, and flew back on the "Spirit of Columbus" aircraft. Neither plane contained ANY interior advertisements (excluding the in-flight shopping magazine). The "increasing revenue" section may need to be edited to tell that only part of skybus's fleet contains interior advertisements, or that interior advertising is something that will be incorporated on future skybus aircraft as a means of increasing revenue.
User:70.60.16.198 6:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interior Advertisements 

message: It looks like the $10 fares are a thing of the past.  If you goto their website the cheapest fares start at $35 each way and on some weekends it is $55.  This even applies to flights from new airports.  I have not updated the article, because I cannot find an article confirming the fare increase.  22.24z 10 Jan 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.104.27.5 (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fares 

message: This is listed at the end, can anyone explain what it is?  Thanks!  140.180.166.176 (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Passenger yield

message: Does SX have any focus cities?  Could Portsmouth NH count as one?
68.38.85.192 (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus city 

message: in case article needs it:
Skybus Announcement
Skybus Airlines will cease all operations effective Saturday, April 5.
Skybus struggled to overcome the combination of rising jet fuel costs and a slowing economic environment. These two issues proved to be insurmountable for a new carrier.
We deeply regret the impact this decision will have on our employees and their families, customers, vendors, suppliers, airport officials and others in the cities in which we have operated. Our financial condition is such that our Board of Directors felt it had no choice but to cease operations.
Passengers holding reservations for Skybus flights scheduled to depart on or after Saturday, April 5, 2008 should contact their credit card companies to arrange to apply for a refund. More information for customers and others will be made available on the Skybus web site (www.skybus.com) as it becomes available.
All flights for Friday, April 4 will be completed. Passengers holding reservations on flights for Friday, April 4 should check in for their flight at a Skybus kiosk at the airport instead of the Skybus website.
-Obrez (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  website as of april 5, 2008 

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