Talk:Mimizuka

message: hi. why do you keep reverting mimizuka article? do you want an editing war?
* Why did you delete the link to Toyokuni Shrine (Toyokuni Jinja), that honors Toyotomi Hideyoshi and is located next door to the mimizuka? Go and fix the link.
* You changed the article to include "The dismembered facial features were brought to Japan in barrels of brine." without any source. Previous sentence "The dismembered facial features were brought to Japan in barrels of salt for preservation." made a lot more sense.
* Your article includes "Whatever the reason it was built, it has almost certainly come to represent something other than what Hideyoshi intended." that is nothing but PoV and meaningless. Delete that sentence.
* Your article includes "In the 1970s, members of the Korean government asked Japan to level the monument.[3]" However, the same source says "But most say that the mound should stay in Japan as a reminder of past savagery." Why did you change the article to show only the minority view of Koreans?
* Do not wipe out other editors contribution whenever you write something.218.216.99.67 (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: There appears to be a lot of scuffling regarding the ears.  I looked at three scholarly sources, one of which is a primary source (directly translated from the original written in Japanese), and no mention is ever made anywhere of ears.  Moreover, looking at correspondence among Toyotomi Hideyoshi and his three principal commanders Konishi Yukinaga, Kato Kiyomasa, and Kuroda Nagamasa, dispatches mention noses as proof-of-trophy from Hideyoshi, never anything else.  The term "ears" never appears in any letter.  Here are my sources:
*Cho, Chung-hwa (1996). Dashi ssunum imjin waeran-sa (A Revelation of the History of the Imjin War). Seoul: Hakmin-sa. 
*The Imjin War: Japan's Sixteenth Century Invasion of Korea and Attempt to Conquer China. Royal Asiatic Society. 2005. p. 501.
*The Inseparable Trinity: Japan's Relations with China and Korea, (in The Cambridge History of Japan. Vol. 4, Early Modern Japan). Cambridge University Press. 1991. p. 235-300. doi:10.1017/CHOL9780521223553.007
Quote from Cho Chung-hwa: "According to Cho Chung-hwa, this name change was made by the government-sponsored scholar Hayashi Rasan (1583-1657) in the early years of the Tokugawa era."  Jurgis Elisonas also looked closely and noticed the name change because the original sounded too cruel and it was altered to Ears during the Tokugawa period.
It does not rule out the possibility that ears were cut, but it makes it highly unlikely any were used as receipts of "martial valor."  Furthermore, a person has two ears, giving the killer the ability to slice both, mutilate them (to reduce left-right differences), and submit them as two different ears.  But, there is no ambiguity in one nose.  The second source, by Samuel Rawley, appears to make that clear through translations of the letters though Rawley never explicitly writes it.
Other authors, especially Western ones, have parroted wrong information because they write from hindsight secondary sources, concise histories, never bothering to check because the issue was never really important enough that a misconception would generate in that very topic. 
Snowfalcon cu (talk) 01:36, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grappling about noses and "ears" 

message: "In a fit of toadyism" is exaggerated and highly opinioned.  It's hard to imagine that the mind and mannerisms of a man who lived over 500 years ago could be accurately sourced unless he wrote an autobiography after-the-fact condemning his own statements, so I doubt this is properly sourced.
"several decades later this would come to be regarded as too cruel-sounding a name, and would be changed"
1) Can we be less vague than "several decades later"?  Perhaps "in the early 17th century"?
2) How is "ear tomb" less "cruel-sounding" than "nose tomb"?  I think "cruel-sounding" may be POV, given the name change may indicate a social taboo more complex than simply wanting the name to sound friendly.  Perhaps it should be referred to as "euphamistically changed", instead, rather than making a direct attribution to motivation?
There are a couple of edits I will make without asking, because they seem much more obvious than these. TricksterWolf (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerated and POV wordings, discussion requested. 

message: The contributors cited scholarly books, journal articles, and magazine pieces, not themselves.  They inserted accurate source material.  Name change from noses to ears is covered Samuel Hawley (2005). Consult reference list and specific inline citation page numbers about the other question. Snowfalcon cu (talk) 11:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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