Talk:Evolution and creationism

message: Evolutionists frequently say that Catholicism officially "accepts evolution", a claim I find hard to reconcile with my (scanty) knowledge of Catholic theology. Perhaps it depends on the definition of the term evolution:
#gradual emergence of new forms of life throughout the billions of years the earth has existed
#morphing of one species into another, i.e., "speciation"
#the contention that new forms of life came into being without God's intervention but purely by the operation of natural forces
I would guess that a religion could concede #1 without taking a position on #2 - and that a lot of religions could accept #1 while denying #3. --Uncle Ed 14:40, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: "Creationism has its roots in biblical literalism" -- that's a good sentence to put in the article -- Tarquin 15:04, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Catholic Church's view on reconciling Creation with Evolution 

message: In attempting various first sentences for the Creationism and evolutionism page, I have the following recommendations:
1. The name of the page should be Creationism versus evolutionism.  The non-confrontational elements of creationism should be moved to the Creationism (theology) page where the theological concepts can be explained without interference from scientific rebuttal.
2. Accordingly, the first sentences of the Creationism versus evolutionism page should be something like the following.
Creationism versus evolutionism is a long-standing debate between the following two groups: 
* creationists who disbelieve evolution but who believe that some divine force created the universe and people 
* evolutionists who disbelieve creation but who believe that natural forces created the universe and people without the intervention of gods or any other divine force.
Some creationists accept evolution as a part of the creation of a divine force; their points-of-view are described on the Creationism (theology) page rather than on this page because they do not hold beliefs that contradict evolution.  Similarly, some evolutionists believe that some divine force has intervened to create the universe as it is; their points-of-view are described on the Evolution page because they do not hold beliefs that contradict creation. Rednblu 16:51, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for a first sentence 

message: Do anybody except creationists use this term? Populus 16:30, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not. And despite my personal belief in God and His role in designing and creating (1) the physical universe, (2) everything in it and (3) all forms of life, especially human beings -- despite this fervently-held POV, I would like to see all articles on "creationism" and "evolution" be written neutrally. The arguments for or against divine creation should simply stand (or fall) on their own merits without using tactics such as name-calling or the old "shifting ground" technique, the "strawman" technique, or any other shenanigans. C'mon, we religious people should show a more principled example!
Oh, and by the way, evolutionists espouse various theories of evolution - while creationists tout creationism. --Uncle Ed 22:03, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Evolutionism" 

message: I am the author of the above post, I wrote it late at night and did not understand the wikipedia paragraphing system, nor by that stage of the night the english spelling system, hence it is a little faulty as far as spelling and grammar go.
:You can go back and edit it! (Oh, what the heck; I've done it for you!) Also, if you put four tildes (i.e. ~~~~) at the end of your posts to the talk pages, it will include you user name and time. Which raises another point—it would be good if you get yourself a username (or log on if you already have one). Philip J. Rayment 13:38, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: After extended discussion at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Evolution_and_creationism.  ---Rednblu | Talk 09:40, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  All substantive points moved to the [[Creation vs. evolution debate]] page