Talk:University City, Philadelphia

message: Penn is adjacent to some of the worst places in Philadelphia. What angers people is the feeling that they are being pushed out of the one place they can afford to live by the haves, an Ivy league school, the University of Pennsylvania. The marketing scheme of calling the area University City is a smart one. No one wants to live in West Philly.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.76.17 (talk) 20:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ghetto

message: First let me say that I am a homeowner and resident of University City, particularly Spruce Hill, and that I live between 42nd and 43rd Streets. To assert that any location west of 42nd Street is not part of University City -- but "West Philadelphia" -- is ridiculous, absurd, bogus, and laughable. "University City" gets it's name because this particular section of West Philadelphia is home to several universities: U. of Pennsylvania, Drexel U., USP (U. of the Sciences Philadelphia), the Restaurant School of Walnut Hill College, etc. USP's campus is mostly located across Clark Park between 43rd and 46th St (not part of University City???) and Walnut Hill College is centered around 44th St. A office building - the former location of Urban and Bye Realtors - is on the corner of 41st and Walnut ... there is a big sign "In the heart of University City" ... not "On the edge of University City". The neighborhoods within University are generally agreed to be Spruce Hill, Cedar Park, Walnut Hill, Garden Court and some of Powelton Village. Whereas all of University City is within West Philadelphia, not all of West Philly is University City. Noone claims Cobbs Creek, Overbrook, Angora, Wynnefield, et al are part of U.C. Anyone who lives or works between 42nd and 49th Streets from Market St. in the north to Woodland Ave in the south will tell you this is a community dominated by college students, and the retail shops catering to them: bookshops, coffee shops, restaurants, pizzarias, bars, etc. The character of the neighborhood unmistakably changes at 50th Street. Sadly, it appears poorer, more run-down, and disadvantaged as far as neighborhoods go. The contrasts with gentrification going on in U.C. Buddmar 07:02, 17 January 2007 Buddmar 03:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on University City's Boundaries 

message: The "Category:Student ghettos" tag was recently placed on this article.  Regardless of how often the term "Ghetto" is used in real life, ghetto is a largely negative term and it certainly violates the NPOV standard for wikipedia articles to include it here.  The definition page, Student ghetto, is mostly unsourced and does not seem to represent a coherent viewpoint.   Most of the page consists of examples of college towns, a much more appropriate category (if it exists) for this page.  
Ucity doesn't even fit the vague definition of Student ghetto.  
# There are far more people than just students.
# Rents and home prices are high.  
# Many students live in Center City.
Unsourced POV statements don't belong here. -- Austin Murphy 18:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the statements above and could have not said it better myself, this coming from someone who has lived in University City and was student when i lived their.  --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 18:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a "Student Ghetto" 

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message: Was Penn really "instrumental" in naming University City, as the article's intro asserts? The source in footnote 1 does not support that statement. PRRfan (talk) 16:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a link to support the edit.  Austin Murphy (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the name "University City"

message: I removed this pending a citation: "It is the fourth-largest business district in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, after Center City Philadelphia, Downtown Pittsburgh, and Oakland, Pittsburgh. PRRfan (talk) 20:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  largest business district 

message: The first sentence of the lead defines University City as "a contested name for the easternmost region of West Philadelphia." I'm writing to contest the use here of the term "contested".
I understand the intent: the name "University City" is an artificial and relatively recent coinage, a sort of marketing effort on the part of the University of Pennsylvania. This idea certainly merits a place in the article, and probably in the lead section. But there are problems with its inclusion in this initial sentence, whose job is to outline the most essential elements of the topic of the article.
For one thing, it imposes a Carrollian shift of the topic of the entire article from University City, the place, to the name "University City". (The Mike Schmidt article, by contrast, is about "a Hall of Fame third baseman", not about "the name of a Hall of Fame third baseman".)
More to the point, it gives this idea, of the phoniness of the name "University City" undue weight. As I mentioned, it's one of the things the article should cover. But putting it in the one-sentence summary that opens the lead amounts to calling it the most important fact about University City aside from its location. It's already also covered in the second sentence of the article. That's plenty soon enough.
I suggest we change this sentence to the following:
:University City is the easternmost area of West Philadelphia.
I'd like to hear what other people think about this. TypoBoy (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A contested name 

message: An IP editor recently added the hat note, "Not to be confused with University Park, Pennsylvania". This does not seem to me like an improvement. 
Those "not to be confused" notes are very helpful for sorting out commonly-conflated ideas. But when it's applied to things that few people actually confuse, it becomes useless verbiage, just more chaff to dilute the wheat of useful information.
Is there any indication that people confuse this Philadelphia neighborhood with that distant small town? If that ever were to happen, wouldn't the confusion pass when the first sentence mentions Philadelphia?
Does this addition really deserve its featured position? TypoBoy (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally agree with you.  I don't think there so much confusion that it needs to be resolved by a prominent note at the top of the page.  At this point though, I'm not against listing the other places with similar names in the  "See also" section.  In other contexts, I like seeing cross-links to similar topics.   --Austin Murphy (talk) 15:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. In the "See also" section, this sort of thing is an addition; as the very first sentence on the page, it's a distraction.  It's as though somebody asked, "What's University City?" and got a response beginning, "Well, first of all, it isn't University Park, Pennsylvania. . ." TypoBoy (talk) 23:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do people confuse University City, Philadelphia with University Park, Pennsylvania? 

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message: The "Names of the region" section begins with this one-sentence paragraph:
:Before the European colonization of the Americas, this area was part of the home of the Lenape people, now known as Lenapehoking.
While not, strictly speaking, false, this is statement is not only irrelevant, but misleading in the extreme. Lenapehoking (as the linked article explains) encompassed the land that today makes up not only the entire Philadelphia region, but also both banks of the Delaware River down to the bay, all of New Jersey, the western half of Long Island, the entire New York City metropolitan area, and the part of the mainland of New York State that lies south of the northern border of Pennsylvania.
Lenapehoking, in other words, has no particular connection with University City. It is equally relevant to every other neighborhood in Philadelphia; as far as I am aware, none of those discusses Lenapehoking. Including it in this article is akin to talking about the Local Group when discussing  University City's location. While it's true that University City is in the Local Group, so is everything else within ten million light years. It's a fact whose addition diminishes the utility of the article. (I make this comparison with some trepidation, pleased though I am with it, because there's a decent chance somebody will edit the article to say that University City is in the Local Group.)
Not only do we mention Lenapehoking (improperly, as I note), but we support the idea with not one but two photos, along with a dead link to the City Paper site.
If this  belongs in this article at all (and, again, I posit that it does not), it certainly does not belong in the "names of the region" section. Nobody, native or European, ever pointed across the Schuylkill from what is now Center City and said, "Let's go to Lenapehoking!"
We should remove all this stuff. Does anybody think otherwise? TypoBoy (talk) 18:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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