Talk:Fallen angel

message: I dont think  detailed information about the chiefs of the groups of tens of 1 Enoch's Watchers is helpful here.  It's enough to give that information in the article on these "Watchers".  Esoglou (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I respect your input on that. I will move it back. I wanted to see how it would look and if it was better. It just seemed to me better... but its more or less my POV. Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 15:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of place? 

message: "Grigori. These are the Watchers... of whom we have so full accounts in 1 En." - 
On this page only, I'm merging Grigori into Watchers section, since they are the same beings. On the Watchers page, it is appropriate that they remain separate sections for textual distinction, but it is not necessary here. By having two sections on this page, also suggests they are separate beings, even if it is stated otherwise. Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section merge: Grigori into Watchers 

message: User:‎Esoglou, in regards to:
(diff | hist) . . Fallen angel‎; 18:39 . . (+442)‎ . . ‎Esoglou (talk | contribs)‎ (→‎Watchers who fell:  please don't falsify quotations by inserting words of your own into them)
Could you elaborate more on this accusation against me?
I italicize the text because there are various versions. If you are going to put quotes than you need to specify which version its coming from. Quite honestly, the entire paragraph is unnecessary and can be summarized in one sentence, and that's where this is going... All this detail is getting way overblown. As editors, we prepare summaries of the information... not quotes all over the place. If you are going to get stuck on quotes... then provide the version that its coming from, please.
Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I referred to the insertion of "(fifth heaven)" into "out from the height with his angels, and he was flying in the air continuously above the bottomless" (2 Enoch 29:1-4).  Esoglou (talk) 19:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I won't do that anymore. I'm sorry if that caused a problem. You are right, I should have at least had a source for it. Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falsifying quotations 

message: The first section should be in chronological order. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved "Hebrew Bible" ahead of "Second Temple period"

message: Misinterpretation: (usually by those whom would not have any have sufficiency in choice).
Free will =:= degrees of freedom.
It is said, that an angel to become angel, has a lesser number of degrees of freedom.
Ibliss itself, is an instance of one whom was forced to make after a break, and that make, generated a sufficient number of degrees of freedom (not lattitudue), for continuance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.92.204.150 (talk) 14:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam (angels and free will). 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The lead says that Fallen Angels are
*1) Satan and his rebelling angels
*2) Demons
*3) Watchers
That is the difference between, Demons who were once Angels (number 1 and 3) and other Demons? As I know, some Christians hold, that Demons can be Fallen angels, but also Nehpilim and souls of wicked dead.
thus not every demon is a fallen angel, but every fallen angel is a demon. The lead suggests the opposite and I wonder that  a Non-demonic fallen angel is distinguished form the other fallen angels?VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  categorization 

message: Is there consensus for removing the following: " Note that, beginning by AD 150, the Greek letter eta (η) was iotacized to sound the same as iota (ι); and the Old Slavonic alphabets, both Cyrillic and Glagolitic, made no phonetic distinction between the letters they derived from Greek η and ι.[6] "
Our readers don't need to know why the Greek word was transcribed into Slavonic that way. For that matter, I'm not convinced that any mentioned of the Grigori is needed here unless someone actually wants to elaborate on them. The current info on the watchers is so truncated as to be useless.--Ermenrich (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info on Greek phonology necessary in "watchers" section 

message: The current article is missing any info on either Eastern or Oriental Orthodoxy, and is accordingly somewhat biased toward Western Christianity. This seems like a fault that could be fixed rather easily.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes thank you. I read about fallen angels in Orthodox Church, that they are basically the same than Augustine and European Church positions (With an exception of  Ethiopian Orthodox Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church). But there is nothing mentioned about this in the article and it looks biased. I looked up for further inforamtion especially in orthodox churches and actually found some details differing from the Catholic Church (even there just slighty differ). Also I would make a section for the Ethiopian Church and their view regarding 1 Enoch. But unfortuantely I am not sure, if I can add these sections today. I woulddo it not later than tomorrow then.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodoxy (both Eastern and Oriental) 

message: This article is linked to the German de:Höllensturz. The German article links to War in Heaven, not to this article. The article "Höllensturz" starts with some information on fallen angels, yet this is not the main subject of the article. Bertrand77 (talk) 12:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki German 

message: Reviewing the definitions of Fallen Angels in the article, I would like to notify the readers as well as Wikipedia:
The Holy Scripture, of course, does not mention 'Fallen Angels', rather in Jude verse 6 in the NIV states: "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these he (Jehovah God) has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgement on the great Day."
Also, 2 Peter 2:4 from the NIV states: "For if GOD did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgement...."
The one-third of the angels that were cast from heaven because of their sin were cast into hell (gloomy dungeons), bound with everlasting chains, kept for the great Day of judgement.
They are not the demons spoken of the Holy Scriptures.  They are not roaming the earth nor the heavens.  
Demons themselves are evil sprits that when allowed by the person to come in and control that person.
Demons leader is Satan the devil.  He uses them to tempt us and other various controls, such as seizures, muteness, etc.
Liz Sonnier
references given in the above statements.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:292B:328:3DEA:7BA5:D6FF:5C15 (talk) 19:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about Fallen Angels: