Talk:George Leveson-Gower, 1st Duke of Sutherland

message: According to Duke of Sutherland and john Prebble he married Elizabeth Gordon, 19th Countess of Sutherland. Please clarify. ..dave souza, talk 17:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Elizabeth's great-great-grandfather had changed the family's name to Sutherland in 1690. Craigy (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've removed a phrase which described the Highland Clearances as "an early form of ethnic cleansing". Apart from being emotive language and therefore unencyclopaedic, I would have thought that ethnic cleansing would imply the removal of people of one sort of ethnicity but not another. The clearances just removed all people without discrimination, so "cleansing" (with no qualifying adjective) would be a more accurate term. Opera hat (talk) 12:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. Those removed from land were almost invariably Gaelic-speaking and Catholic, whilst those that replaced them (the much smaller number of sheep farmers) were generally English speaking and Protestant. I am not sure what is unencyclopaedic about calling a spade a spade. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 16:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Clearances 

message: I belatedly discover I left behind a confusing edit summary (on 26 May 2012) describing the Duke's political party defection as being from "Whig to Tory party".  For the record the reverse was the case, as written by me in the article, and cited to The Complete Peerage.  Apologies.Cloptonson (talk) 18:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing Edit Summary - Change of Political Party

message: The Duke descended from a long line of English aristocrats. His (controversial) involvement with Scotland was caused by the fact that his wife was Scottish and brought him an immense dowry of Scottish lands.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatiana.larina (talk • contribs) 20:27, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. His Englishness is also affirmed in the inscription on the Lilleshall Monument which describes him as "a gentleman of England" - his tenants clearly did not think him a Scot despite his ultimate peerage title. Before the creation of his Dukedom most of his adult life had been spent as Earl Gower and then Marquess of Stafford, titles the same tenants would have previously been accustomed to knowing him as.Cloptonson (talk) 14:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Cloptonson, take a look at the article, the Duke's nationality was corrected a number of years ago. Anyway, a title does not signify nationality: consider Harold Alexander, 1st Earl Alexander of Tunis, who was certainly not Tunisian. The initial comment, above, is somewhat misleading as the Sutherland Estate at the time of the marriage of Leveson-Gower to the Countess of Sutherland was pretty much broke, a common situation with Highland estates. It is Leveson-Gower who brought so much to the marriage, in the form of his future inheritance of the Bridgewater estate. Ultimately this made him the richest man in Britain. A huge amount of this wealth was spent on Sutherland. Sadly (for all parties) much of this was wasted on ineffective projects. See the talk page section that follows this one. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the Duke's nationality be listed as Scottish? 

message: This passage gets the order of events wrong. Sellar successfully bid for the sheep farm in question on 15th December 1813. The clearance events that gave rise to his trial centred around evictions on 13th July 1814. The trial took place on 23rd-24th April 1816. 
Checking the reference given in the article (J D Mackie's A History of ScotlandMackie, J. D. (1970) A History of Scotland. Middlesex. Penguin. p. 217.), it also gets this wrong. Given that this book was written in 1970, and that a lot of basic research has been carried out on the Sutherland Clearances since that date, it seems reasonable to regard this as an unreliable source. Is there a better source for the content about discussion in the House of Commons?ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable source? 

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message: I am surprised to see the Duke described as being of interest to this particular WikiProject as he died at least 6 years before Sir Rowland Hill launched the Penny Post which employed the use of postage stamps. Did he have any involvement as an official in the postal system?Cloptonson (talk) 14:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What interest to WikiProject Philately?