Talk:Turkish language

message: I'd like to offer the following tweaked translation of the Veysel poem at the end of the article to replace the existing one, which I believe more accurately reflects the poet's choice of words, especially with the use of "dear friends" (dost), rather than "friends" (arkadaş):
<poem>
I depart, my name remains
May dear friends remember me
Weddings happen, holidays arrive
May dear friends remember me
The soul does not stay caged; it flies away
The world is an inn; its visitors depart
The moon wanders, the years pass by
May dear friends remember me
The soul will depart the body
The chimney won't smoke, the hearth won't burn
Armfuls of greetings upon you all
May dear friends remember me
Myriad flowers bloom and fade
Many have laughed, many will laugh
Wishes are lies, Death is real
May dear friends remember me
Morning, afternoon turn to night
Oh, the things that happen to us!
Veysel departs, his name remains
May dear friends remember me
<poem>
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.219.194 (talk • contribs) 5:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aşık Veysel Translation 

message: I have done some changes according UN laws. A user reverted me immediately. I believe that this is going to be continued by taksim propagandists. Please, you need to understand that all the UN members except Turkey, recognize the northern part of Cyprus as an OCCUPIED territory, not as a state. It's not even a de facto state, is a de facto occupation! Please, to the community, protect Cypriots from this propaganda. Greek Rebel (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia doesn't run "according to UN laws". Beshogur (talk) 14:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Did I deleted the Northern Cyprus? No. I just described its status. It is not a normal independent state. Greek Rebel (talk) 14:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The status of Northern Cyprus is clearly explained in that article, it’s clearly off-topic here. There is no need to labour the point every time the place is mentioned, that’s why internal links exist. Stop edit warring and trying to right great wrongs here. GGT (talk) 14:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   The article is wrong... Turkish language cannot be native in Northern Cyprus, as it's not an independent state. It's native to Cyprus. If we have to describe the status of Northern Cyprus somewhere we must do it at the introduction and the infobox. As I don't write something wrong, please do not reverse my version again! Greek Rebel (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Northern Cyprus is a de facto state with proper state institutions, it's explained in the article. Rest is irrelevant to this page. Beshogur (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree. Beshogur (talk) 15:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

text: No, why? Beshogur (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Northern Cyprus is not a recognized country, but it still exists. It is still a portion of the island of Cyprus that speaks almost in its entirety Turkish. Greek speakers were removed from northern Cyprus, and Turkish speakers were removed from southern Cyprus. Including northern Cyprus here is relevant. Maybe point out it is not recognized, but you can't omit it. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Please see my version. I never removed Northern Cyprus, I just explain its status. Greek Rebel (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  violation of NPOV. What's the purpose? Beshogur (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   You could see there why it's not NPOV. It's the reality. Greek Rebel (talk) 22:15, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And? Isn't this well known fact? This document doesn't imply anything, and is irrelevant to the topic. Beshogur (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   You are blaming me for NPOV. I just prove you that this is not POV. It's truth. According the UN it's not an official state, it's occupied territory. You really think that there is no necessity of mention it at the article? Greek Rebel (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It's irrelevant to the article. And your claim North Cyprus being not a country (even de facto) isn't correct. Beshogur (talk) 10:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

text:   You are the one who makes the conversation irrelevant, because of your precautionary claims, like that "Northern Cyprus is country". No brother, the northern part of the Republic of Cyprus is occupied... If you want to believe that it's a country believe it, I will choose the International Law and the historical facts. Greek Rebel (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

text:   I understand that is not mentioned anywhere that northern Cyprus is a recognized state. But it is presented like a state equal of the others. You cannot say that "':Turkish is the national language of Turkey and Northern Cyprus" because is like you say that Turkey and Northern Cyprus are part of the same category. So, my opinion is that we need to say: "Turkish is the national language of the states of Turkey and Cyprus and also of the unrecognized state of Northern Cyprus" etc. Now do you understand what I am saying? Greek Rebel (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You have been saying little else for a while now; no one is under any illusion as to understanding it.  We just don't agree that anything need be done about it, or that we are under a compulsion to change the article to your preferred version.  Do you understand that?   Ravenswing      11:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I am not going to mention or answer at the accuses against me... I think that these are ridiculous. But I would like to make a question... Did you visited the Russian language page, as I suggested? If yes, do you think that it's written correctly. Because, if you find this correct, you should support my edits on the Turkish language page. I actually did the same... Greek Rebel (talk) 12:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, we're not going to play this game.  I disagree with your premise that this is some vital linkage that needs to be replicated here.  So does every other editor who has commented on it so far, and our opinion is likely shaped by the vehemence of your obvious nationalist anti-Turk stance.  It is entirely possible for other editors to look at the same information you have and neither come to the same conclusion as you have, or if so do not believe it has the same urgency you do.  If you are incapable of wrapping your head around this basic truth -- and nothing you've written so far gives me much hope of better -- you are a poor fit for a collaborative encyclopedia.   Ravenswing      14:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I believe you’re misunderstanding either the purpose or process of RfCs - the request should be neutrally worded, first things first. GGT (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok I correct it. Greek Rebel (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, this is better but still not ideal, it would help if you read the linked page in full and rewrote it accordingly, or alternatively I can propose a succinct question for you to submit the RfC and you can then write a separate comment explaining your thoughts? GGT (talk) 21:34, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

text:   I mean the Russian language page, I suggest this kind of presenting at the Turkish language. Because there we have the same cases, states with limited recognition. But there, these states are mentioned only once at the infobox as "states with limited recognition". Why this is not happening at the Turkish language with Northern Cyprus? Greek Rebel (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Greek Rebel, could you please directly link the page(s) you are referring to? I didn't see anything posted above. SamuelRiv (talk) 02:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection request 

message: Please, could somebody see the discussion above? Northern Cyprus, an unrecognized de facto state, that's internationally recognized as an occupied territory of Cyprus, is mentioned at the page like a normal state. At the Russian language page, there is an example of what I suggest (see how other states like N.Cyprus are presented). Greek Rebel (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you’re misunderstanding either the purpose or process of RfCs - the request should be neutrally worded, first things first. GGT (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok I correct it. Greek Rebel (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, this is better but still not ideal, it would help if you read the linked page in full and rewrote it accordingly, or alternatively I can propose a succinct question for you to submit the RfC and you can then write a separate comment explaining your thoughts? GGT (talk) 21:34, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

text:   I mean the Russian language page, I suggest this kind of presenting at the Turkish language. Because there we have the same cases, states with limited recognition. But there, these states are mentioned only once at the infobox as "states with limited recognition". Why this is not happening at the Turkish language with Northern Cyprus? Greek Rebel (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Greek Rebel, could you please directly link the page(s) you are referring to? I didn't see anything posted above. SamuelRiv (talk) 02:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC about the matter about the status of Northern Cyprus 

message: asked for help in Greek WP (At "Agora"- a highly visible place). Here  he is literally asking for "some help". In a following post, he estimates that 5-6 users might be needed.[to fix the article]. Cinadon36 07:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canvassing 

message: Hello, could someone please put this vowel table into the phonology section of the article?
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thanks Stan traynor (talk) 07:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Where exactly? Beshogur (talk) 10:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: just under the heading "Vowels" - or anywhere you think looks good, really Stan traynor (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed edit request 

message: In the last sentence of the second paragraph under "Writing System", the mention of "Third World levels" should be eliminated. The Three Worlds terminology is from the Cold War, referring to the West, the Soviet sphere, and the Non-Aligned Movement.
"Pre-modern" is a much better adjective for this. Add a comma after "original". Also, "its" is unnecessary and akward.
Original: "As a result, there was a dramatic increase in literacy from its original Third World levels."
New:      "As a result, there was a dramatic increase in literacy from original, pre-modern levels." DecentralizedInformation (talk) 19:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a good change. However, the cause for concern lies in with the claim of a rise in literacy rates. I read the cited part, but no mention of literacy rates improving—the thing that was mentioned was that low literacy rates aided the change because, out of the entire population, few needed to relearn. On page 243 of Coulmas (1989):  Some interesting note on the next page:  No mention of literacy rates. SWinxy (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

text: It sounds like the claim should either be re-written entirely, removed, or tagged (as I've just done) with  or  if that's more appropriate. I'm closing the request for now with preferred wording also implemented. --N8wilson 🔔 05:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 July 2022 

message: The word-accent section states in a table that both “-ol (as a separate word)” (sic!) and “-ol (as a suffix)” force word stress to fall on the preceding syllable. Yet the examples show the forms “idi” and “-dı” respectively.
First, I propose that separate words not be preceded by “-“.
Second, I wonder whether “(-)ol” and “idi” and “-dı” are from the same verb. I have read on en.wiktionary.org that “imek” is a defective verb, but not that it belongs to “olmek”.
Can someone knowledgeable commenton this?Redav (talk) 12:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which is meant: “ol(mek)”, “-ol(mek)”, or “(-)imek”? 

message: Like please, stop reverting back to the old map that is shaded by country, the map I added is based on linguistic disturbution, which is more accurate than a language shaded by country 2600:1700:6730:E380:5D9A:83A9:6014:BA26 (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are so many users keep reverting the version every time I add the more detailed map 

message: "Where are you going?" is translated as "Nereye gidersin bre?" I lived 15 years in Turkey and I can't remember that I ever heard this "bre". I asked Turkish friends and their opinion was that it may be used by people coming from the Balkan and that it meant "Where are you going, brother?" That means that the word came from an Indo-European language. That may be or not. In your article it is connected with "be" and "bire". "be" may be used like a exclamation mark at least in modern Turkish (not often used) and bire looks like "for one". The word is not mentioned in Osmanlica Türkce by Mustafa Nihat Özön, 5th edition, Istanbul 1995. The normal word for brother in Turkish is kardes and in Ottoman Turkish "birader" was sometimes used, probably a loan from Persian. But at least "nereye gidersin bre?" is not normal in modern Turkish. Keetjan (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this modern Turkish? 

message: In the classification section, there is a short video clip whose caption reads: "A Turkish speaker from Kosovo." We urgently need the video's premise, e.g. whether it's a news broadcast or something else, and a synopsis of what is being said. That clip cannot remain up the way it is now. It could be proclaiming anything. -The Gnome (talk) 19:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification section 

message: In the table where it gives the "case of relative pronoun", the pronoun itself, and example sentences in Turkish, with English literal and actual translations, I am confused about whether it is meant that some fields are empty. Is it meant for the section under "case of relative pronoun" is empty for most of the rows? F.ex. there are a number of empty boxes under the "genitive" box. If these are meant to be attributed to the genitive case, then these boxes should be combined so that the genitive case is logically applied to the following rows as well. If not, some explanation should be given. I'm not well read at all vis-a-vis Turkish nor its grammar, so this table is a tad confusing. Thanks in advance! St.Marie-made (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attributive verbs table - help 

message: I propose merging Longest word in Turkish into Turkish language. I think that the content in the former most naturally fits within the context of the latter, and it seems irregular to me that an article exists solely for what amounts to a hypothetical (even if actually printed, though apparently only for the purpose of proving it can be done) extension of the subject matter of what I consider the master article. Specifically, I would place the "longest word" section within the "Vocabulary" heading, and condense any duplicative or extraneous material. Comments? Al Begamut (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger