Talk:Yagyū Shinkage-ryū

message: It's been awhile since anyone made a big contribution to this article and I intend to do my best to clean it up. So unless someone else is planning&preparing to do it then I'll proceed once I get my sources in order. Fred26 11:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  needing cleanup 

message: This article needs the attention of an expert. I did some cleanup and broke it into paragraphs for easier reading but there are some things I can't fix for fear of altering the meaning.--killing sparrows 04:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs an expert 

message: "Until the 16th century, Japanese martial techniques were concerned with effectiveness in real battle". So when the 16th century came all of a sudden effective techniques were not prioritised? Doesnt sound very reasonable considering the 16h century was the main time-line for the Age of War. I've removed this statement but I would very much like to hear the source for this claim. Fred26 07:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Until the 16th century, Japanese martial techniques were concerned with effectiveness in real battle" 

message: I think it should be expressed more clearly that Muneyoshi is the founder of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu, while Nobutsuna is the founder only of Shinkage-ryu.  Please be aware that I am familiar with the excellent work of some of the editors of this page, so I am not ascribing any devious intent when I make the following statement: because of the obsession with lineage and seniority that many people have, this article may give the impression that the prominence of Nobutsuna in the article is a POV attempt to extend the lineage of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu back a little farther.
I recommend two things.  First and more importantly, the content of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu, Shinkage-ryu, Kamiizumi Nobutsuna, and Yagyu Muneyoshi needs to be harmonized, and the amount of overlapping information needs to be decreased.
Second, (and if you disagree, by all means lets discuss it) I think Nobutsuna's name should be removed from the infobox on this page, and Muneyoshi should be listed there as the sole founder, and Nobutsuna should be treated more as a supplemental reference, and the subject of this article should primarily be the nature and history of the school from Muneyoshi's time on.  Nobutsuna's personal philosophy and influence should be primarily (though certainly not exclusively) discussed on the Nobutsuna and Shinkage-ryu pages. 
:No argument from me. My knowledge of YSKR is limited and the only thing I've done in this article is the info-box. I added Nobutsuna to the info-box it sounded proper at the time, but I got no deep knowledge, just superficial. I'd like to see this article getting a proper knowledgeable guardian as well. Fred26 19:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then should there be separate articles for Shinkage-ryu, and Yagyu Shinkage-ryu?  If not, which one should redirect to the other? Bradford44 15:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: To get the impression that there are two seperate ryu is easy. This is due to the fact that it seems individual dojos use Shinkage-ryu and Yagyu Shinkage-ryu indifferently. Like this dojo. They dont even mention Yagyu until half-way down the page and the site introduces itself as Shinkage-ryu. Anyways, if all this is correct then we should prepare a merger and redirect the technically obsolete Shinkage-ryu into Yagyu Shinkage-ryu. I'd like to hear more comments from all contributors involved first..as I said, I'm not very knowledgeable about YSKR. Fred26 15:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Founder of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu