Talk:Tungusic peoples

message: "It has also been suggested that the word derives from "tungus" which means pig."  
"Pig" in what language?  Would the "civilized" Chinese or the contrasted Mongolian nomads refer to these people as "pigs" or would the Tunguz simply refer to themselves as this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.203.140.113 (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of "Tungu"

message: Why are Koreans considered Tungusic?  Is there language not a language isolate?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.76.212 (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Koreans

message: I've tagged this article because I think the term "Tungusic peoples" might be a neologism. There is a tendency on Wikipedia - either out of convenience or racist pan-nationalism - to try to put all ethnic groups on a phylogenetic tree based on language family, on the faulty premise that population groups correspond well with languages over time and space. On the various peoples who speak languages that are classified as Tungusic, I refer to the Polish anthropologist Maria Czaplicka:
::The term Tungus is merely a linguistic one, like, for instance, the term Bantu, and within its range, so far as it is known, have been found various physical types and various cultures. There exists in ethnological literature such divisions as Dog-Tungus, Horse-Tungus, Reindeer-Tungus, i.e. according to the domestic animals they possess; or again, we can find terms sucha s Forest-Tungus, or Tundra-Tungus, for lack of better ones. In Russian scientific literature there lately appeared a division into Northern and Southern Tungus, which was said to be based on physical type but as there was not sufficient material speculation, it seems very superficial. Although we shall continue to use the term Northern Tungus, it will only refer to their geographical position, otherwise, since "Tungus race" is a linguistic term, I propose to use also a linguistic classification.
Shrigley (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering the same, but have found a few sources. It has been used to refer to people since 1612, although which groups are included under the umbrella has changed over time. I'll have a first go at improving it. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Regardless of whether it is "ethnographically correct" or not, the term "Tungusic people" is certainly not a neologism by any measure. A Google Books search shows it appear in many works both on Siberia and on China. Even if it is merely a shorthand for "the peoples who now speak Tungusic languages", it is used, among others, by such well-known  authors as the linguist Bernard Comrie, the Manchu expert Pamela Kyle Crossley, and the authors of the Cambridge History of China. -- Vmenkov (talk) 16:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I wonder what "sufficient material speculation" means. —Tamfang (talk) 23:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Neologism?

message: Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)
https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog
Rajmaan (talk) 03:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882) 

message: Do they live in yurt? Planke (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: House

message: Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease
Ruth I. Meserve
Central Asiatic Journal
Vol. 50, No. 1 (2006), pp. 75-100
Published by: Harrassowitz Verlag
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41928411
Rajmaan (talk) 23:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease 

message: Are there were any other Tungusic states except Jin dynasty, Manchu state, Qing dynasty and Manchukuo? Dersere (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tungusic states

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Tungusic peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Xue2006":
From Haplogroup C-M130: 
From Genetic history of East Asians: 
From Haplogroup C-M48: 
From Haplogroup O-M176: Yali Xue, Tatiana Zerjal, Weidong Bao, Suling Zhu, Qunfang Shu, Jiujin Xu, Ruofu Du, Songbin Fu, Pu Li, Matthew E. Hurles, Huanming Yang, and Chris Tyler-Smith, "Male Demography in East Asia: A North–South Contrast in Human Population Expansion Times." Genetics 172: 2431–2439 (April 2006).
From Haplogroup O-M117: Yali Xue, Tatiana Zerjal, Weidong Bao, Suling Zhu, Qunfang Shu, Jiujin Xu, Ruofu Du, Songbin Fu, Pu Li, Matthew E. Hurles, Huanming Yang, and Chris Tyler-Smith, "Male Demography in East Asia: A North–South Contrast in Human Population Expansion Times." Genetics 172: 2431–2439 (April 2006). DOI: 10.1534/genetics.105.054270
Reference named "Duggan2013":
From Haplogroup N-M231: 
From Haplogroup A (mtDNA): Duggan AT, Whitten M, Wiebe V, Crawford M, Butthof A, et al. (2013), "Investigating the Prehistory of Tungusic Peoples of Siberia and the Amur-Ussuri Region with Complete mtDNA Genome Sequences and Y-chromosomal Markers." PLoS ONE 8(12): e83570. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0083570
Reference named "DiCristofaro2013":
From Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup: 
From Haplogroup C-M48: Di Cristofaro J, Pennarun E, Mazières S, Myres NM, Lin AA, et al. (2013) "Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Continent Gene Flows Converge." PLoS ONE 8(10): e76748. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0076748
From Haplogroup O-M117: Di Cristofaro J, Pennarun E, Mazières S, Myres NM, Lin AA, et al. (2013) "Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Continent Gene Flows Converge." PLoS ONE 8(10): e76748. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0076748
Reference named "Fedorova2013":
From Haplogroup D (mtDNA): 
From Haplogroup M (mtDNA): Sardana A Fedorova, Maere Reidla, Ene Metspalu, et al., "Autosomal and uniparental portraits of the native populations of Sakha (Yakutia): implications for the peopling of Northeast Eurasia." BMC Evolutionary Biology 2013, 13:127. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/127
Reference named "Lell2002":
From Haplogroup C-M48: 
From Nivkh people: Jeffrey T. Lell, Rem I. Sukernik, Yelena B. Starikovskaya, Bing Su, Li Jin, Theodore G. Schurr, Peter A. Underhill, and Douglas C. Wallace, "The Dual Origin and Siberian Affinities of Native American Y Chromosomes." American Journal of Human Genetics 70:192–206, 2002.
From Haplogroup C-M130: 
Reference named "Ashirbekov2017":
From Kazakhs: E. E. Ashirbekov, D. M. Botbaev, A. M. Belkozhaev, A. O. Abayldaev, A. S. Neupokoeva, J. E. Mukhataev, B. Alzhanuly, D. A. Sharafutdinova, D. D. Mukushkina, M. B. Rakhymgozhin, A. K. Khanseitova, S. A. Limborska, N. A. Aytkhozhina, "Distribution of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups of the Kazakh from the South Kazakhstan, Zhambyl, and Almaty Regions." Reports of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan, ISSN 2224-5227, Volume 6, Number 316 (2017), 85 - 95.
From Haplogroup C-M217: E. E. Ashirbekov, D. M. Botbaev, A. M. Belkozhaev, A. O. Abayldaev, A. S. Neupokoeva, J. E. Mukhataev, B. Alzhanuly, D. A. Sharafutdinova, D. D. Mukushkina, M. B. Rakhymgozhin, A. K. Khanseitova, S. A. Limborska, and N. A. Aytkhozhina, "Distribution of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups of the Kazakh from the South Kazakhstan, Zhambyl, and Almaty Regions." Reports of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan, ISSN 2224-5227, Volume 6, Number 316 (2017), 85 – 95.
Reference named "Hammer2006":
From Haplogroup C-M48: 
From Haplogroup O-M176: Michael F. Hammer, Tatiana M. Karafet, Hwayong Park, Keiichi Omoto, Shinji Harihara, Mark Stoneking, and Satoshi Horai, "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes." Journal of Human Genetics (2006) 51:47–58. DOI 10.1007/s10038-005-0322-0
From Haplogroup C-M130: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Tungusic peoples]]