Talk:ODESSA

message: Himmler and Borman were both DEAD in 1946!!!
Janrpeters 03:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Himmler and Borman in 1946? 

message: Can we describe this as such? It's not exactly proven to still exist is it? Megawattbulbman 16:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware of no actual source that states that this organization has ever existed.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Was/is" 

message: There is a stub page called Ratlines (history). I am thinking it would be a good idea to use that page for a more general article on the whole issue of Nazi escape routes, including allegations/rebuttals with evidence for CIA, Vatican involvement etc. Then refer to this page for specific discussion on the ODESSA network. I will start putting some stuff up there as I get time.  What do you think?--Bengalski 13:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratline article 

message: The Argentine government has finally agreed to open two it's secret Nazi files.  Stay tuned next week when our heros find out what is in those files!!! :-) PerlKnitter 12:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I wonder as to whether the release of those files might in any way at all be connected with the good Mr. Wiesenthal's death? Quite a coincidence, anyway. --Wernher 01:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Any news on this? Nach0king 17:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently not. 2.31.166.209 (talk) 11:23, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cliff hanger 

message: Shouldn't it be merged with Ratlines (history)? Informations are splitting between the two articles, and ODESSA is the most famous - if only? - ratlines known... Tazmaniacs 13:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that I've started doing some expansion of the Ratlines article - would be grateful for any help/comments/arguments from people who have worked on this page - I don't want to duplicate what's here, but I do think this needs to be broadened beyond the ODESSA organisation.Bengalski 22:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually Goñi denied that there was an organization called Odessa, and Aaron&Loftus' book is conspiracy theory trash. Zerotalk 14:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Ratlines 

message: This article ain't right anymore since a skull dug up in Berlin proofed to be of Martin Bormann, so it's a bit unrealistic for him to lead Odessa. Same for Himmler. Documents recently released proof that he was captured and killed by the Britisch during interogations. So both of them were death before Odessa even started to excist...
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/death/PRO_docs_story.html
*ODESSA was allegedly created towards the end, not at the end of the war. Meaning it was already being planned, or was, before the war ended. Also, up until they discovered his remains, in 1946 a whole bunch of people still believed he managed to get out of German through similar plans like ODESSA. They didn't really have proof at the time and they probably just connected Bormann to it because of the mystery surrounding him.  Jak722 11:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bormann and Himmler

message: According to the article on Skorzeny, he died of a heart attack in Madrid. But according tot his article, he died of an accident. Can someone explain? 209.221.73.5 15:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Skorzeny

message: The ominoese organization "ODESSA" never gave it (probably). It is to be referred into the range of the LEGENDS. Simon Wiesenthal coined/shaped this term and remotelongs these of the German "chief historian" of the second German (Second Channel of German Television), Giudo Knopp, spread. Into the 1960er years - in such a way I believed - "ODSSA" was the name of a feature, in which the "political organization of former SS members" were described. The regular "veteran federations" of the former SS members in Germany and Austria are: the "HIAG" (Germany) and the "Kameradschaft IV" (Austria).
Postmann Michael 22:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already edited the article to make it clear that the existence of ODESSA is disputed and that some writers, notably Sereny, think it never existed. I don't think it can be asserted that Wiesenthal invented it without a citation. Adam 06:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Adam. Postmann Michael, the article itself cites eight different sources proving its existence; while your opinion might be valuable, it can't be included without proper references. —Coat of Arms (talk) 15:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ODESSA = Organization former SS members? 

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thread_title:  [[ Otto Adolf Eichmann ]] [[ Karl-Adolf Eichmann ]] [[ Schutzstaffel ]] 

message: Arer there sources that would prove that the ODESSA had ties with Vatican? if there are any, then please clearly specify them as I am very interested in this topic. --Abastillas (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There were priests who were Nazi sympathizers and helped them escape. Yugoslav, as I recall. Probably others. It going to be difficult if not impossible to connect the Vatican with any of this. They were not Nazi sympathizers. The Nazis had murdered far too many German and Polish Catholics. The Vatican hid Jewish people from the Germans, for example.Student7 (talk) 01:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There were "ties" from individuals who happened also to be priests or who listed "Catholic" as their faith. The ties were not from a Catholic organization.Student7 (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vatican? 

message: There is much circumstantial evidence that ODESSA actually existed, but there is no actual definative proof that it existed. While I, personally, believe it existed the article really should be updated to reflect that there is debate as to its existance. The lead section says "ODESSA is ..." when it really should be "ODESSA is reported to be ...". Thoughts? fr33kman -s- 16:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am highly suspicious of any claim that there is or ever was such an organization.  This of course does not mean that there were not deliberate efforts made to help Nazis escape to Argentina.  I am doing a rewrite of Eduard Roschmann, supposedly one of the more prominent Nazis helped by ODESSA, and I find nothing outside of fiction (The Odessa File) to support any such organization. I haven't read the sources that are claimed to support the existence of the organization in this article.  If they do, there should be some detailed quotes (within the bounds of fair use) to assist the reader to make a decision as to the strength of the claims.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Existence 

message: Dear All,
I've spent the past three years working on a history of Nazi hunting called Hunting Evil. It's an academically rigorous work, and I've consulted many archives and conducted lots of interviews. After much consideration, there's little doubt that the Odessa as described on this page is largely a work of fiction, concocted largely by a former SD officer called Wilhelm Hoettl, who peddled dubious intelligence to Simon Wiesenthal, who in turn gave the story to journalists, which ultimately ended up on the lap of Frederick Forsyth. What follows below is the main part of my chapter entitled 'The Odessa Myth'. Please have a look through it and if anybody would like to discuss, then please get back to me at my website, which is guywalters.com
Best wishes
Guy Walters — 81.132.245.149 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 09:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubts about existence 

message: Denial is not just a river in Africa.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: ODESSA denial

message: Why is there no talk of the rich industrialists who financed them just after the War?
--Atikokan (talk) 02:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Enterprise 

message: Why is the long paragraph about argentina policy towards jewish immigrants relevant?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.219.54.24 (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina law 

message: "In 1976 thriller novel by Ira Levin titled The Boys from Brazil, Dr. Josef Mengele, the concentration camp medical doctor who performed horrible experiments on camp victims during World War II." Looks like the latter part of the sentence has been removed.
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thread_title:  Incomplete sentence 

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message: The article focuses quite heavily on escapees to South America with only one brief mention of escapees to the Middle East.  Alois Brunner lived until his natural death of old age in 2001 as a refugee under the Assad regime in Syria.  Large numbers of low ranking SS officers found their way to Egypt where Nasser employed them as military trainers for his Palestinian fedayeen in combat against Israel. Romomusicfan (talk) 11:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more on Middle Eastern escapees