Talk:Józef Glemp

message: IronDuke keeps adding problematic references to Glemp's "anit-semitism".  The Dershowitz references are both from Dershowitz himself.  The next reference is misleading: here is the Google Books page in question .  The Wistrich reference (Google Books result here: ) seems viable, though. Malay Agin (talk) 02:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the reference misleading? IronDuke 03:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: That's a misleading description of the quote. Right after saying "members of the Closed Church uttered many overt and covert references to Jews as harmful to Poland", it goes one to explicitly name Glemp, and says "A good example of it in Poland's Closed Church is the speech Primate Jozef Gelmp (1929-) made". That reference clearly labels Glemp as exhibiting what it calls 'antisemitism without antisemites". It is also poor form, as ID notes, to use editor names in heading titles. LoverOfTheRussianQueen (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: LoTRQ puts it well. Malay, your point about Dershowitz is literally a non-sequitur. You have no standing to judge Dershowitz's remarks, even if your judgment were correct, which of course it isn't. His views on this subject are notable. That's all we need. And again, your insulting me via header titles won't be tolerated. IronDuke 01:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But they are IronDuke's sources, so he should defend them.  The Dershowitz quote doesn't satisfy WP:BLP.  It is your responsibility to show that it might be (which I can't see thast it is).  Malay Agin (talk) 05:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can feel free to continue to assert without argument, but it will remain unpersuasive. IronDuke 16:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I think there is something on Wikipedia called "I AM A SOCKPUPPET." In any case, please know that I hear you loud and clear, perhaps more than you know; your arguments are specious. Also, please don't call Glemp "a nasty man." That's a BLP vio, and a violation of WP:SOAP. Thanks for the strikeout, but I don't think we need a any more record of your inappropriate header than this very discussion. IronDuke 03:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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