Talk:Taiwanese cuisine

message: : Okay I have self-reverted as you both requested. But I propose this: "According to the Taiwanese chef, Fu Pei-mei, like many others of her generation, argued that Taiwanese cuisine properly preserved authentic Chinese culinary traditions", then moving this section up and create a separate section under "History and Development". Do you both agree? I want to clarify that I DID NOT erase what you wrote. I used the same source, moved it up and expressed my reasoning. Can we reach consensus on this sentence?Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to this, in principle. As far as I'm concerned you can add this and create a section. I want to further discuss any removal of content, though. Let's wait for HEB to weigh in. valereee (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I apologize that we got off the wrong start by reverting each other. I appreciate your patience during this whole discussion and glad that we came to a conclusion that is feasible. HEB, would you be okay with the proposed change?Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I would like a little expansion so that we can actually address the core issue of culinary nationalism but this is a good starting point and I think that a dedicated history section is a good idea. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I want to thank you both for settling this like gentlemen. The requested edit has been made and I'm glad we came to consensus. HEB, I can help you with culinary nationalism and let's make this article better!Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: FTR, I'm not a man. valereee (talk) 18:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for disclosing your personal info. Let me rephrase: I thank you both for acting civilized. I hope you do not feel offended by the assumption of your gender, it was just figure of speech.Kazuha1029 (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: So interesting how many figures of speech assume maleness. :) Because of the assumption that people on the internet (and specifically administrators here on WP) are male, it can be perceived as a bit offensive. :) I try not to take offense. :) But, yeah, don't assume you're talking to a male. FWIW, you can in Preferences>Gadgets turn on Navigation popups, which will allow you to hover over a username and if the editor has specified their gender, it will say. valereee (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  discussion redux 

message: The claim - "properly preserved authentic Chinese cuisine". What does it even mean? If people now make modern Chinese dishes with new ingredients not found in ancient China. Does that recipe no longer become 'authentic' Chinese? Culture is not static but always evolving and changing. I added in much needed context that the Taiwanese cooks argued it was authentic Chinese only because they had followed their ancestral Chinese cooking traditions. Also other states like Singapore, Thailand, China have also continued real Chinese culinary cultural traditions to this modern day as well. That opinion piece has a snobbish tone as if everybody else is doing it wrong. Opinion shouldn't mislead. When you give an opinion, it needs to NOT give the false impression that other countries don't have traditional Chinese cooking. If they are the only place in the entire world that still has traditional Chinese cooking. Then 'preserve" would be more deserving and less likely to mislead. Soyegg2417 (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  My key take is that a singular Taiwanese cook isn't an authority on what can be termed as authentic Chinese food or can be the sole voice on what Taiwanese cuisine is. So her opinion shouldn't be here in the article. Also Taiwanese food in comparison to Mainland Chinese food, is a great deal more international (global fusions plus modern innovations like bubble tea). So it's a sweeping claim to say Taiwanese cuisine overall is authentic Chinese cuisine when a big portion of it, is actually partially Western fusion and more recent innovations. If you present someone who is not an expert and let them make a shoddy opinion. People will be misled into thinking that Taiwan is the only place that still has ancient practises on Chinese food when it's not that true and heavily outdated stereotyping. It makes it sound like every legit Taiwanese cooks are just stuck in the past and unwilling to create contemporary dishes and fusions. The opinion is just wrong at so many levels. https://www.taiwanembassy.org/se_en/post/1613.html Soyegg2417 (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Her opinion gets feature coverage in a WP:RS so per WP:NPOV we can't exclude it. See if you like the new wording better. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol that opinion is still factually wrong. And as per the Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight - you are not supposed to give so much weight to a singular opinion especially when it's of a very large complex topic. You can put that paragraph into her own wiki article. That would be more appropriate. Also her opinion is highly political so it's not even a neutral pov and we already know that she can't be correct. Authentic Chinese food like Mapo Tofu is found in China.  She is too sweepingly claiming that China doesn't have authentic Chinese food despite that is just factually pants on fire wrong.Soyegg2417 (talk) 17:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have other opinions you are welcome to add them, I also think you need to review WP:POV and WP:NEUTRAL as you don't appear to understand how those concepts apply to wikipedia. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Preserved" can be misleading as if they're the only place to have Chinese cuisine 

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message: The section that says Taiwan, in particularly Taipei, is regarded as having some of the best Japanese food outside of Japan. This is due to the legacy of Japanese colonialism as well as ongoing cultural and commercial exchange. So many things wrong with that edit. I disagree with the statement claiming that Taiwan is the place that has the best Japanese food outside Japan. It is puffery or peacock statement to make such a bold extreme claim particularly when it's being made by a single writer in a Taiwan business "promotional" magazine. According to a Japanese expert food subscription, Taiwan doesn't even make it to their top ten countries for Japanese food so it's not even that factual nor a food expert consensus.  so many things wrong with it - Undue, npov, unreliable source and puffery.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpleshooter999 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This sentence is fine. It says "some of the best", it didn't say "the best". - Kazuha1029 (talk) 14:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese cuisine