Talk:Chinese Pidgin English

message: A number of Chinese dictionaries translate Pidgin as "Yangjing Bang English" (洋泾浜英语) which is the pseudo-English used in Shanghai during Qing Dynasty. However, this article states it was used in southern China (Canton). So, there is a factual inconsistency in the dictionary translation. 
I translated the article to Chinese under the assumption that "Yangjing Bang English" and "Chinese Pidgin English" are the same. If someone can confirm or refute this, it will be great. --Voidvector 02:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be a non-worldwide view problem with this article, rather than a problem with the dictionary translations. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 04:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's the problem: Hong Kong itself absorbed so much English/pseudo-English into their variety of Cantonese that I wouldn't even call it pidgin. I have a book somewhere (probably at school) with some examples, but without an actual speaker of Yangjingbang we're not going to get a good set of actual pidgin. In fact I doubt it would ever be done since after 1949 the transliteration system so dominated any part that couldn't be directly translated, and there are words that came in through a transliteration via the Japanese (like Logic）. I would kill most of that list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karajanis (talk • contribs) 07:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yangjing Bang English 

message: In the little box on the right hand side of the article under 'Total Speakers' it says that Chinese Pidgin English is extinct but may have evolved in to Chinglish.
However, in the Chinglish article it says there is no connection between Chinese Pidgin English and Chinglish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.77.131 (talk) 10:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting Information! 

message: The first paragraph states that Chinglish is the descendant of YJB. That's just not the case, as YJB is a pidgin that both parties can understand, whereas Chinglish is Chinese-influenced non-standard English. Such a point such be stressed. Motion to correct this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.215.178 (talk) 23:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Vocabulary wise, YJB vocab either went out of fashion or merged into Mandarin/Shanghainese to a degree that it's now usually considered a part of the normal vernacular. Grammar wise, YJB was intentionally somewhere in the middle for ease of understanding and Chinglish is usually unintentionally bad. Whether they're actually related I think is something nobody can really say for sure since it seems that the application of English vocabulary onto Chinese or mixed grammar always will end up something similar to YJB/Chinglish, even if they had completely different intentions to begin with. So to say that one is derivative of another is.... subjective, to say the least. Karajanis (talk) 10:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Chinglish 

message: This section is pretty vague -- there are no references, and seems to be about English phrases that sound like Chinese phrases (with no proof that they are actually direct influences from Chinese), rather than a relationship between actual documented YJB phrases and today's English. I'm going to add some caveats to that section, but really I think it needs to have sources or be removed. --Joelh (talk) 20:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of these phrases do appear to be common to many languages. "Lose face" is also used in Italian and French ("perdere la faccia" and "perdre la face", respectively). Also, I found the German "kein Geld, kein Essen" (no money, no food), although in a novel about the American Revolution (an innkeeper wanted to ensure that Hessian troops would not... forget to pay for their meal). And in Dutch they say "geen geld, geen zwitsers" (no money, no Swiss; the meaning is, without money you can't have Swiss mercenaries, i.e. you won't get any outside help if you can't pay for it) Mb 3r7864 (talk) 12:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence on English

message: "Dauling" is an old Cantonese phrase to denote 5 cent. It originates from describing the weight of 5 cent by Canton secret commercial language ,斗零 means "3-6"(3.6 milligram） Thus it is derived from Cantonese, which does somehow show evidence that CPE originated from Canton and migrate to shanghai.Qr23493 (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  道林紙（dauling） 

message: According to sources, these two seem like actually different things? C933103 (talk) 09:21, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Chinese Pidgin English" vs "Pigeon English" 

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message: Supercargo means an officer on a merchant ship in charge of financial matters relating to cargo. This also makes more sense as a term equivalent to taipan than the present text i.e. "a classification of shipped goods".
124.149.106.55 (talk) 08:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: This page should be updated to utilize IPA.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omoutuazn (talk • contribs) 16:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Americanist Phonetic Notation

message: Chinese Pidgin English and 洋泾浜英语 are not synonyms. 洋泾浜英语 is a variant of Chinese Pidgin English used in Shanghai. 
92.40.217.152 (talk) 09:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Translation

message: The phrase "Long time no see” is translated as “很久不见” which is not a phrase used in Mandarin, as it is actually written "好久不见". I assume the writer knows Cantonese and translated 好 to 很 but this does not apply to this phrase. If anyone has any objections to this being changed please voice them but I have corrected the phrase for now Ametalbaby (talk) 19:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "很久不见"