Talk:Chihuahua (state)/Archive 1

message: The term 'chihuahua' is redirected here. When one mentions the word chihuahua then obviously they think of the breed of dog. Someone move it please? 88.111.177.233 11:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Honestly, how many people type in the word and are looking for the Mexican state? This is the English-language Wikipedia, not the Spanish-language one. Very few English speakers are even aware of the existence of a state by the name "Chihuahua." -134.84.102.192 22:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Move This Page

message: Clear agreement. -- Anonymous 05:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Result: moved!

message: The best way I can describe the need for review for this article is NPOV.  There's some obsene material in this article.  If you are going to call our country "The United States of Crap", learn how to write an article and don't sign your name. --~~ 05:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: From Chihuahua to Chihuahua (Mexico). I am fiercely opposed to this, as are most other users who have spoken in the discussions above. Saying that most people think 'dog' when they hear Chihuahua is like saying most people think 'ham' when they hear Virginia. The state should be at Chihuahua, just as the state is at Washington -- capital city, founding father, and a slew of other meanings  notwithstanding. Aille (talk) 00:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Undiscussed unilateral move, 22.9.08

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose the dab looks good at primary. 70.55.203.112 (talk) 08:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Point of information: city, not town. State capital; population close to 1m. Big place; major city. Aille (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken. But I wonder how many other anglophones who would instantly identify a picture of a tiny dog as a chihuahua would have no idea what if anything else the term signifies? Andrewa (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And we are writing for the anglophones that actually exist, warts and all. Wikipedians are not engineers of the human soul. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Doesn't "Chihuahua State" make it sound like a state university? Colorado State? Texas State? Plus, Quebec's at Quebec, not Quebec Province. Aille (talk) 06:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah, it sort of does, but in my experience of creating lots of state and district pages for African countries on en and zh, it pays to just name the states as states, and the districts as districts, and so on down the line; and to do so unilaterally, and be finished with any kind of extra disambiguation, especially insofar as states, districts and towns often repeat themselves nomenclaturally. I think that the extra parentheses are aesthetically displeasing, as well.  --Mr Accountable (talk) 06:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: If the above move request fails and the article is to remain disambiguated, please have it at a title with an actual disambiguator, Chihuahua (state), and not Chihuahua (Mexico) which does nothing to disambiguate the title from the city, the song, the desert, the person, or the dog. —  AjaxSmack  18:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct disambiguator

message: Opinions appear more or less equally split, and there have been no additional comments for a while. Perhaps an admin could move the article to Chihuahua (state) (the current name is inappropriate and has no support, from either side, and the fewer articles that link to it the better), and re-list it on WP:RM, see if the discussion can get kick-started back into life? Aille (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But moving the article to Chihuahua (state) is also inappropriate and biased it'd be like naming California as California (state) just because there are a number of things named after the state. Supaman89 (talk) 23:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah, I think this article should be at "Chihuahua", too. But, if forced to choose, reluctantly, between "Chihuahua (state)" and the inexplicable/illogical "Chihuahua (Mexico)" -- no contest, "Chihuahua (state)" wins. Aille (talk) 02:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I've moved the article to "Chihuahua (state)", as it appears that there is consensus that the page should at least be there instead of "Chihuahua (Mexico)". I don't have a strong preference for either side of the argument,   however, I would caution Supaman89 against making such baseless claims of bias when they can be easily disproved with Georgia (U.S. state), for example. Move proposals that rely on "the other side is biased" rarely succeed, as far as I've seen. Citing evidence is usually the best way to go, even if it's a simple Google search (which are to a degree unreliable, but could help shed some light on which seems to be the primary topic). I've also closed the proposal as "no consensus"; perhaps if another proposal is initiated, it might be wise to file an RfC at the same time, in order to draw more uninvolved editors. Fresh eyes are never a bad thing. Parsecboy (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Well then, like Parsecboy very reasonably suggests, re-list the WP:RM, along with a related WP:RfC. As things stand, we have hundreds and hundreds of links looking for the state that get redirected to a disambig page. Aille (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalemate?