Talk:Finland/Archive 1

message: According to the country template, which we try to apply here, the sections should be an introduction/summary for the main article (in this case History of Finland) and hence not be longer than, say, three paragraphs. The current history section for Finland is getting a bit too large and detailed. I will remove the section regarding the difference in social classes (too detailed for a summary) and try to trim the rest of the text a bit. However, I'd like to know if somebody has any objections to that. Jeronimo 15:06, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Growing summary of Finland's history 

message: Why does it say "high degree of autonomy"? Åland is not a state, and Finland is not a federation, as per the constitution. The law that rules Åland is set in the Finnish parliament. They don't have their own police forces, courts or anything, the law is the same, and it's ultimately only the Finnish parliament that upholds the demilitarisation. None of this would justify "a high degree" of autonomy.
 User:Vuo, 00:28, 2004 Dec 1
:::: Vuo: That statement was a complete slap in the face to residents of the Åland Islands, and full of blatant factual errors. Lagtinget, the local parliament, has competency to pass laws in many many areas. For a complete list see http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1991/en19911144.pdf . This is not the most recent revision, but at least the most recent translation. You'll at least get the idea - Åland _has_ a high degree of autonomy by any standards, the law is in large portions _not_ the same as in the rest of Finland. --Nappilainen 13:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Åland also has a "tingsrätt", in finnish "käräjäoikeus", the lowest kind of court in the hierarchy of courts in Finland. --Nappilainen 14:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autonomy of Åland 

message: The article was recently added to the category of bicontinental countries. Since when is Finland bicontinental?  — JIP | Talk 13:33, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bicontinental? 

message: Public Holidays section says "Easter, Ascension Day, Pentecost ... are holidays". I would like to clarify thisl you mean here those holiday of Western Christianity according to Gregorian Calender? --Aphaea* 15:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holidays 

message: Suomelle ei näy kirjatun mottoa. Ehdottaisin lausahdusta
"Sibelius, sauna, ja sisu - Se on made in Finland." (finengelska)
Minusta tuo olisi kyllä aika lähellä toimivaa sellaista. Tosin sanojen monimerkityksellisyys tekisi lausahduksen selityksen ehkä  tarpeettoman pitkäksi. t. rekisteröitymätön, mutta Wiki-kiinnostunut, tapio #
* Well, the "Sisu, sauna, and Sibelius" is certainly well known, but it's not an official motto. But, if someone wants it there in the empty space of the info box, I won't object... Somebody else might! ;-) --Janke | Talk 16:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, it is NOT official, but I've seen it in many places. Sounds sibilantly satisfactory, doesn't it? ;-) --Janke | Talk 12:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: Have you seen this discussion: Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BFinland-musician-stub.7D.7D_.26_Cat:Finnish_musician_stubs?
It may be worth Finnish Wikipedians time to set up a Wikipedia:Finnish Wikipedians' notice board, which would allow you to monitor and contribute to such debates methodically. I recently set up Wikipedia:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board, nicking the template and ideas from the Wikipedia:Norway-related topics notice board and Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board, and others. Worth some consideration.--Mais oui! 18:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to delete Finnish musicians stub 

message: Is there a reason why the first paragraph has the Swedish name for Finalnd in it? Isn't this a bit of unnecessary clutter or am I missing something? Monkey Tennis 13:51, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the article further, you'll see that Finland is bilingual, and "Finland" is one of the two official names for our country. Greetings from a Finland-Swede, --Janke | Talk 14:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for enlightening me! You're right - I should have read on! Cheers Monkey Tennis 12:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish name for Finland 

message: Finland is a part of western Europe? What the hell? Not really.
:: Isn't that mentioned only in the "economy" section? Politically, economically and historically Finland is a part of Western Europe. Geographically Finland is, of course, in Northern (or Northeastern) Europe, as is said in the very first sentence of the article. SGJ 20:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Europe 

message: This is maybe a minor note, but something that catched my eye. In the Culture-section the first thing to appear is a finnish hiphop artist Mariska. I do like her, but this can be seen as quite deceptive first picture as finnish culture. Mariska, as much can be seen from her looks already, bases much of her art into other cultural regions for example the rasta-hair influence from caribbean culture. It would alot more fitting to use for example the picture of Sibelius, who is a real flag carrier of finnish culture. Thanks.
: For your info: Finland, as any modern country, is a multicultural place featuring many kinds of trends and ethnology. Sorry, but the claim that good old Sibelius be somehow more of a Finnish "flag carrier" than e.g. Mariska is a load of cr.. ;) Clarifer
It took me a while to make out what was being said here.  The expression in English is standard-bearer, regardless of who is going to be bearing it.Blondlieut 04:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little, yet somewhat disturbing element in the pages. 

message: An anonymous editor (apparently pushing an agenda against Finland-Swedes and the Swedish language in Finland; see contribs at Special:Contributions/84.231.217.70), repeatedly re-inserts POV material in articles about Finland. In the article Apartheid_outside_South_Africa the same anon. repeatedly inserts a section about Finland, claiming our country's constitutional bilingualism constitutes "Åpartheid". This is utter nonsense, and has been repeatedly removed by logged-in editors. The anon. also posts mock vandalism warnings on reverting logged-in users' talk pages. Please keep an eye on this, thank you. --Janke | Talk 07:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon user's POV additions 

message: Should the Susiluola achaeological diggings be mentioned in the history section? They have found stone tools dating back around 120 000 years, meaning that the first humans arrived in Finland around that time, or before it. --HJV 12:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prehistory 

message: "Treaties signed in 1947 and 1948 with the Soviet Union included obligations, restraints and reparations on Finland vis-à-vis the Soviet Union as well as further territorial concessions by Finland (compared to the Moscow Peace Treaty of 1940). Finland ceded most of Finnish Karelia, Salla and Petsamo. The reparations to Soviet Union forced Finland to transform from primarily agrarian to industrialized economy, after they were paid Finland continued to supply Soviet Union. (Russia has assumed a large part of the unpaid national debt which is slowly being remunerated with raw materials(oil, ores) and electricity)"
Okay, what does this mean, umm, in English?  I've been trying to rewrite this article in something vaguely approaching idiomatic English, but I'm stumped by this.Blondlieut 04:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since most of the article is written by people having English as a second or third language, it's nice of you to correct the mistakes. The "dense" obviously refers to population density, but I agree that it sounds a bit odd. Perhaps "Finland is sparsely populated and ranks 162nd in population density" would be better - in fact, I changed it to that?. Also, I think the remuneration refers to the fact that Russia assumed the debts of the dissolved Soviet Union, and is paying off that. --Janke | Talk 06:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: "without industrialization Finland would have been unable to repay its debts to the Soviet Union." A large part of the war reparations were to be paid in steel products, which meant creating a steel industry from cratch as there was none (or risk being invaded for not following the peace treaty). However there were probably bigger factors in the industrialization it self, like excess population pouring into cities from the countryside. Venti 00:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not so much with the English making too much with sense here so much not really 

message: I have removed the disambig template. It was added on 26 July 2005 (with this edit) immediately after Suomi had been turned into a redirect.  would have been a better choice than , but in any case, since that article is now a disambig page instead, I decided to remove it completely. Hairy Dude 22:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rm dab template 

message: The National emblem: The bottom isn't pointed. And there most certanly isn't a fancy photoshop lighting effect in it. Someone change it please?
: Correct. I have fixed it, as per . --Janke | Talk 06:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Emblem 

message: In Lappi is spoken the third official language in Finland
--85.156.231.24 20:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's not a national official language. Therefore, it won't be listed. --Vuo 01:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact it is official national third language as can be seen on road signs or if visited in post or official bureaus ( in Lapland), there one must be served as one of Finlands three official languages ( In Lapland)Please check it out if you don`t believe me.--81.197.98.209 18:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not very unusual in a global perspective that single municipalities have their own languages. However, a nationstate is, in part, defined by its national official language. Finland is really an exception in this regard, namely that Finland has very few local languages. But larger countries, for example Russia, have these in the hundreds. Listing all of them as official languages of the entire Russian federation would make little sense, since only one (Russian) can be expected to be known nation-wide. The same goes with Finland: you can't even expect service in Swedish in most of Finland, much less Sami languages. --Vuo 01:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sami language and its official status are already mentioned in the article, in the demographics section: To the north, in Lapland, are found the Sami, numbering less than 7,000, who like the Finns speak a Finno-Ugric language. There are three Sami languages that are spoken in Finland: Northern Sami, Inari Sami and Skolt Sami. The right of minority groups (in particular Sami and Roma people) to cherish their culture and language is protected by law, but usually only Sami is considered to be an official minority language. SGJ 22:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official languages in Finland

message: I would like to add: 
THE FINISH SUCCESS IN PISA - AND SOME RESONS BEHIND IT http://www.jyu.fi/ktl/pisa/publication1print.pdf
to international rankings. Not sure how to do this correcly, can anyone help? 
--Chihienne 08:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Rankings (PISA education) 

message: Substituted at 20:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment