Talk:Tommy Douglas

message: In the Winnipeg General Strike article it states that there had been one death, yet in this article it says Douglas witnessed two deaths. I don't know which one is right, but this should be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.41.53 (talk) 23:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: I am not familiar enough with Douglas to know the correct particulars, though I do recognize some errors..
* The article says he returned to Winnipeg in 1920, however he was there for the Winnipeg General Strike in 1919.
* It says medicare was introduced during his first term, however it was introduced during his last!  In fact, though the laws were passed under his administration, they did not take effect until after he had left the premier's office and moved to federal politics
There may well be other errors that I am not familiar with, someone who is more familiar with Douglas ought to repair this. - Jord 17:56, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure there's a difference between hospital insurance (which the article says was introduced in Douglas's first term, not medicare as you say) and medicare.  The first dealt only with hospitalization, the second with all medical care.  HistoryBA 16:32, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Douglas' original medicare did not cover anything near the broad number of services that are covered today. - Jord 19:53, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the article 

message: Tommy douglas birthday does not appear to be a holiday, and I wouldn't think merits it's own article.  Perhaps it could be merged here?--Esprit15d 15:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Tommy Douglas does in fact have all of the degrees that I recently appended to his list. This is not vandalism as it was originally perceived, I believe it would strongly benefit the Wikipedia community to leave in this more detailed discussion of Dr. Chili. Douglas's accomplishments.
*Sorry, I'm pretty sure most people don't consider LSD a degree Liamkf 05:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra Degrees 

message: The current link directs to the "Calvary Baptist Church" in New York City, not the one Douglas was ministering.  Would anyone could initiate an article for the Calvary Baptist Church in Weyburn, Saskatchewan, and correct the link? Investorjoe 12:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weyburn Calvary Baptist Church

message: Care to enlighten us as to why you reverted information concerning Tommy Douglas' Masters' thesis, including his abhorrent views towards what he termed the "subnormal" family?
Just reverting an article is hardly acceptable, unless you have evidence to suggest that the addition is not within wiki guidelines, is untrue, or is outside of the context of the article.  I have reverted your edits, and expect that if you care to rebut or expand upon them, that you do so.  
Insofar as your 'classes' are concerned, be careful -- many professiors, especially of political science, sociology, or psychology, are ardent socialists who are not capable of seeing Tommy Douglas for who he was -- an opportunistic political figure imposing his false and flawed ideology on whoever was dumb enough to vote for him.
64.110.251.69 00:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're quite the Tommy Douglas fanatic, aren't you, JGGardiner? -- 198.20.40.50 02:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism/reversions of true excerpts of Douglas' thesis 

message: I have spoken to some who actually lived in Saskatchewan during the early days of Medicare as introduced by Tommy Douglas.  They distinctly remind me that the system introduced by the government of Douglas, at the time, involved a co-pay, ie: a nominal amount was due for use of medical services, acting as a sort of deductible, to prevent against abuses of the system.  It was only with the national medicare system that the co-pay was removed.
Also, it may be inaccurate to suggest that hospitalization was 'free' because every taxpayer of the Province ended up shouldering the cost.  "Socialized" or "distributed" might be a better use of terminology here.
I have not edited the wiki to reflect that the Douglas system was not truly 'free', as I do not have specific references or sources (aside from Oral history) to back it up, but it would be useful if someone were to check facts here. 
BTW, if you guys want to hold me to strict proof and strict referencing of the truth about Tommy Douglas that I post here, then I will accordingly hold you to strict proof of claims made.  It is not my intention to libel the dead, only to ensure that the most significant person in 20th century Saskatchewan history is properly and appropriately portrayed, instead of idolized and portrayed in a fantasious light as many within the contemporary Canadian NDP/socialist movement would prefer.
64.110.251.69 09:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable.  You might also want to check out the sources policy.  There are no different standards for different editors.  If you have a problem with some content, you can edit it or bring it up on the talk page.  That's why they are here.  --JGGardiner 17:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was medical care really 'free' under Douglas? 

message: One of those referenced Tommy Douglas articles alludes to this, Douglas' support for concentration camps in Canada.  Anyone have more information?  
64.110.251.69 10:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh my, Tommy supported the concentration camps set up for Japanese during WW2 in Canada?? 

message: Six links is a bit excessive for a non-notable, non-academic commentary (The Man & the Myth).  I don't want to remove them just yet but if you could remove most of those, that would be my preference.  --JGGardiner 18:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Thats another 'myth' of Douglas -- balanced budgets.  The accounting of the time didn't account for unfunded pension liabilities of the Crown for all those civil servants his government hired, yet exhorbiant pension promises were made (ask a retired or soon-to-be-retired government employee about the 'old' plan).  Yet these liabilities remain liabilities of the General Revenue Fund, and were not properly accounted for by the government of Tommy Douglas (and his successors).  More info to come.  Seems your idol isn't looking so great lately, eh?
64.110.251.69 22:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, take a deep breath and read on.  You, or anyone else, can add both the good or the bad or anything in between.  But it must follow Wikipedia policies.  I don't have a problem adding his controversial views.  And CJC has said so also.  The problem is the commentary and analysis that goes with them.  Wikipedia is not a commentary website.  If you need help with how the policies work, please, please ask.  You will find editing a much more satisfying experience when you write content that stays in the article.  --JGGardiner 05:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget Surplus under Douglas?  Only if you don't include unfunded pension liabilities! 

message: 64.110.251.69: You say that your edits are consistent with Wikipedia policies.  I do not agree.  I see particular problems with NPOV.  Your POV is extremely negative towards Douglas and you seem to be attempting a hatchet job on the article.  You are a minority of one, as far as I can tell.  It is consensus that guides what goes into articles.  That means we need to agree here.  Going on and on about eugenics or plastering the article with negative tracts is not going to make one look like much more than a vandal.  Eugenics is mentioned in the article and criticim is referenced.  You say you think we can work together.  OK, fine.  Let's start by you explaining why you think that the article is not neutral.  Bear in mind that it is not NPOV to write a negative biography about someone.  If you doubt this, look at what other encyclopedias say about Douglas.  Sunray 07:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no reasons for placiing the tag on this page, and since there has been no response to the above request, I have removed the NPOV tag. Sunray 06:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: [could some one take information from this item and place it in the TC Douglas article?
Thank You  Alex C.C.]
Updated Sun. Dec. 17 2006 11:34 PM ET
(news story removed) Sorry, I've removed the full-text Canadian Presss story because I believe that we are not allowed to fully repost such articles because of copyright.  I do agree that this is relevant material for the article and I'm sure that anyone so interested can find these stories quite easily.  Thanks.  --JGGardiner 21:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RCMP spied on NDP politician Tommy Douglas 

message: Sorry about marking my Diefenbaker birthplace edit as minor; I didn't realize it would be major until I read WP:EDIT.  (Tommy_Douglas#Medicare referred to Diefenbaker as "another Saskatchewan born politician" [sic.] although he was born in Ontario, as it says in the Diefenbaker article, so I removed the word "born.")  Once again, sorry, and I hope this doesn't cause any trouble.  Łasica 07:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diefenbaker 

message: Someone recently changed the article name.  It should say "politician" rather than "minister" in my opinion.  Many people with a casual interest won't even know about his religious background.  As well, Tommy Douglas currently goes to a disambig page but I think it should probably go here with a "see also" for the jazz musician.  But I don't know the other TD so I'm not really sure how well-known he is.  A quick google search looks like this TD is overwhelmingly more written/talked about however.  --JGGardiner 17:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree with JGGardiner. I don't understand why the page name was changed (without any discussion) from "Tommy Douglas." As JG points out, the current disambiguation page only shows one more name: Tommy Douglas (clarinetist), who is hardly in the same league with our Tommy. I agree that it would be best to simply have a see also link to the clarinetist at the top of the Tommy Douglas article. Sunray 21:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name and Disambiguation

message: I have assessed this as B Class, given its level of detail and organization, and of high importance, as I feel that the subject of the article plays a vital role in understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 16:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Leader Post Cover.jpg

message: This page has been repeatedly vandalised, mostly by anonymous users (IP address only) and contains derogatory remarks with regards to the person that is subject of this biographic article. For the sake of professionalism and efficiency, this page should be reverted to the last clean version and be locked from editing to unregistered users.
Sufitul (talk) 23:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to delete superfluous repetitions but it was reverted. I have reported the case. What can I do? --Hans-Jürgen Hübner (talk) 17:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protecting against vandalism 

message: you are nice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.174.135.76 (talk) 20:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  reading 

message: "While the NDP did better in elections than its CCF predecessor, the party did not experience the breakthrough it had hoped for and didn't recognize his abilities till later in the days"
I would suggest a re-wording, but I can not figure out what the sentence is supposed to say.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.5.206.229 (talk) 10:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  wording 

message: Is this term necessary or appropriate given whom Tommy Douglas was and how he spoke? Hear this recording of him speaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE5fOJfKRNk  It is identical to the position of Ken Galbraith as to the book he wrote in New Delhi while Jack Kennedy's American ambassador 1961-63: The Scotch. His London publisher advised, "You mustn't use that term; it's obsolete and offensive." To which he responded, "It's by, about and for Scotch Canadians and that's what we call ourselves." The compromise was the title of the British edition: The Non-potable Scotch. Surely it's proper to use the old Canadian term used by people of that ethnicity, particularly when spoken by two world-famous, great Canadians, is it not? Perhaps a footnote is desirable to explain why that term is the one used, but surely it is the one that should be there.Masalai (talk) 00:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Galbraith grew up in a community in Ontario that self-identified as "Scotch" - Douglas did not.  TFD (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: To reiterate, hear this recording of him speaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE5fOJfKRNk Masalai (talk) 15:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He is talking about income distribution.  What are we supposed to be listening for, please state the point in the 6 minute recording it appears?  TFD (talk) 18:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...was a Scottish-born Canadian" 

message: I'd like to see the edits regarding Tommy Douglas as father of Medicare stop being removed. Hospital Insurance was indeed passed under Louis St Laurent under the Liberals in the 1950's. In the 1960's, Tommy Douglas worked with the minority Liberal Prime Minister Pearson to implement full blown hospital and doctor insurance. Things were still left out, like pharmacare, but it is a more accurate picture of history. It is simply inaccurate to call him the father of Medicare as he didn't lead the government, although he was a key player.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.85.119.50 (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It says he is "widely known as the father of Medicare."  That he is so regarded is true, whether he truly was or not.  Incidentally, Douglas is so known for having introduced medicare in Saskatchewan, long before it became a national program.  Had the American Medical Association managed to stop it there, it is unlikely the Liberals would have encouraged other provinces to introduce it.  TFD (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father of Medicare? 

message: I think that a little more detail regarding how he entered the Commons would be useful, I came across some interesting info about some sort of deal with the Social Credit organizer. http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/10240.html but unfortunately Wikipedia is quite silent on the details.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyndane5 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is silent because very little has been written about the Socred endorsement.  TFD (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Social Credit

message: Orange Order in Canada had a unverified claim (flagged in 2016) that Tommy Douglas was a member that i removed. Does anyone happen to have a reliable source on the topic? blindlynx (talk) 17:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Order 

message: This article is outstanding and represents what Wikipedia articles should look like. Thanks to  for the help!--Sunderlandweary (talk) 13:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  great article