Talk:Mair caste

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thread_title: [[Mair Rajputs]]

message: Atulsnischal 11:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a stub, please help "Expanding" it, from references provided, thankyou

message: The article contains one line:
 Mair Rajputs are not only from Punjab. They are basically from maiwar region of Rajasthan.
If no one can expand to that - I think the article should be deleted! -- Ozzykhan 21:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand or Delete 

message: * Hi included a seperate page on Mair Rajputs, I have provided all references and external links, when you get time read the references and help expand the "Mair Rajput" page. Thankyou 
* I have interconnected the Mair Rajput page to many related categories and pages on Wikipedia
* I have a request, please refer to External links and write the Mair Rajput page in as much detail as possible in your own words, so that is is copywrite free, include all the families and gotras mentioned too for all of us to see, Thankyou
Thanks
Atulsnischal 08:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help Expand this Article on "[[Mair Rajputs]]" from links and references provided

message: * This article on "Mair Rajputs" on Wikipedia has originally been written by Atul Singh Nischal (Bhatti / Bhati), I am a Mair Rajput, I have also referred to my own questioning of elders in our family of Nischal, Shinh, Sur and Luddhar / Luthra.
* The Mair Rajputs of Punjab
* The Legend of Mairh Rajputs
* The Mair Rajputs Today
* Gothras of the Mair Rajputs
* Notable Mair Rajput Gothras (Families)
* Credit and thanks is also due to Mr. Rajesh K Verma for publishing his research on his website: "The Mair Rajputs of Punjab" which can be accessed at: http://mairrajputs.tripod.com/index.html
Atulsnischal 09:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: "Further Reading" section is originally taken from "Work Cited" section of Mr. Rajesh K Verma's website: "The Mair Rajputs of Punjab" which can be accessed at: http://mairrajputs.tripod.com/biblio.html
Please add any other credible published sources that can be referred to here in this list for others to continue the research, thankyou:
* Blunt, E.A.H. The Caste System of Northern India. Delhi: S. Chand & Co., 1969.
* Chattopadhyaya, Brajadulal. The Making of Early Medieval India. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1994.
* Ibbetson, Sir Denzil. Panjab Castes. Lahore: Superintendent, Gov't. Printing, Reprint 1916 (from 1883 original of 1881 census).
* Jain, Kailash Chand. Ancient Cities and Towns of Rajasthan. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1972.
* Rose, H.A. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province. Lahore: Civil and Military Gazette Press, 1914.
* Saggar, Balraj. Who's Who in the History of Punjab: 1800-1849. New Delhi: National Book Organisation, 1993.
* Singh, K.S. National Series Volume VIII: Communities, Segments, Synonyms, Surnames, & Titles. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1996.
* Srivastava, Ashirbadi Lal. The History of India: 1000 A.D.-1707 A.D. Jaipur, Shiva Lal Agarwala & Co., 1964.
* Tod, Lt. Colonel James. Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, Vol. 1 (1829), Vol. 2 (1832).
* Walker, Benjamin. The Hindu World: An Encyclopedic Survey of Hinduism. New York: Frederick Praeger, 1968.
* Online 1 Online 2 Online 3
Atulsnischal 09:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further Reading

message: If anyone knows any details and any published works that can help answering this question (Who are "Soni"???) please leave a detailed answer here as well create seperate page for them if they are not the same as "Mair Rajputs", thankyou'
Name: Ajay R N Nandha, Email Id: ajn_11@hotmail.com 
Address: England UK Date of Message // Message 
Hi im trying to trace my family history and know already that we are Bhati Rajputs who have settled in the village Modhwada near Porbandar. Our community (who were originally Rajputs) claim that during bad times a Parmar prayed to Hingraj Mataji for help. She is said to have supplied him with knowledge and tools of Jewelers and this has become our communities occupation since. I also know that the community split into three groups and settled down in Four separate areas of Gujrat - Girnar (hence Girnara soni)this is me, Patan (hence Patani soni), Kuchh (hence Kuchhi soni) and Saurashtra/Kathiyavad (hence Parajiya Soni). As the community has changed its occupation we are not regarded as Rajputs - fair enough. Im happy to be a Soni. However i would like to find out about who my ancestors were and where they came from. My search has so far led me to here. I was wondering if someone could provide me with references to further reading and/or web sites so that i can find out more in detail about my ancestry and how we came to settle in Gujarat. Thank you for your time in reading this msg. A. Nandha (By the way as you can see my surname has changed, i know it was not so long ago but i don't know why it has changed)
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:U6bOsTs-UvUJ:www.rajputsamaj.net/joinrajputsamaj/feedbackview.asp%3Fcurrpage%3D172+soni+rajputs&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2
Found this Question at the above website
Atulsnischal 06:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are "Soni"???

message: Could someone edit this (he meant the "Rajput") article to include maid/soni rajputs of punjab!.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Alokbagga  (talk • contribs) 
If you are sure you should edit yourself.Holy    +   Warrior 13:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: soni/mair rajputs

message: Hello User:Atulsnischal. I see you are doing most of the edits and expansion of this article. I just have a few concerns that I would like to address to make this a better article.
You have added many references and external links to the page, but no in-text citations which makes it very hard to verify some of the claims you have made. I have marked these out in the article as . Please add the appropriate CREDIBLE sources. You can not use unpublished, original research on Wikipedia as you have pointed out in the References section: 
"This article on "Mair Rajputs" on Wikipedia has originally been written by Atul Singh Nischal (Bhatti / Bhati), I am a Mair Rajput, I have also referred to my own questioning of elders in our family of Nischal, Shinh, Sur and Luddhar / Luthra"
Furthermore, I rewrote this section due to it non-neutral point of view:
"With the partition of India in 1947 into India and Pakistan the Indian state of Punjab was also split in two. The Mair Rajputs living in the portion of Punjab that was given to the newly created Muslim country of Pakistan had to leave by force to save themselves from communal slaughters and forceful conversion to Islam, many of them fled their ancestral homeland now in Pakistan in a complete destitute state and had to start life afresh in India. All their ancestral land, property and wealth was left behind in Pakistan. Life was tough for them at the beginning after partition; they had to live in a destitute state in refugee camps in India before they were allotted specially constructed houses in the Refugee colonies by the government of India. Many of them settled in Delhi and other parts of India after partition." 
Also, there is a large number of insiginifact External Links, please see the Wikipedia policy here:
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Overall, please reveiew Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and use a professional tone expected from an encyclopedia. 
Thanks - - Ozzykhan 20:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV, References, citataion, non-specific 

message: With the partition of India in 1947 into India and Pakistan the Indian state of Punjab was also split in two. Hindus and Sikhs including Mair Rajputs living in the portion of Punjab that was given to the newly created Muslim country of Pakistan had to leave by force to save themselves from communal slaughters and forceful conversion to Islam, many of them fled their ancestral homeland now in Pakistan in a complete destitute state and had to start life afresh in India. All their ancestral land, property and wealth was left behind in Pakistan. The following book gives a detailed account of the atrocities commited against Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab during partition of India in 1947:
* Online 1 Online 2 Online 3
Please Note: Included are three online sources above from where a free online copy of the above book can be read for reference.
209.197.160.69 01:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference provided for concerning Paragraph, thanks 

message: Also, please refrain from copying discussions from other websites onto this page. - Ozzykhan 20:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copying from other sites 

message: * The Mair Rajputs of Punjab
* Yahoo Group of MairRajputs
* Rajputs Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition; 2005 
* Rajput  Encyclopedia Britannica; 1911
* British Association of Rajputs
* Rajput Association of America
* RAJPUT ASSOCIATION OF NORTHAMERICA (RANA) 
* RAJPUTINDIA
* Rajput Samaj of UK
* Rajput Samaj: Online Rajput Community Center
* Rajput Vansh, Clans, Gotra
* Rajasthan and the Rajputs
* Information on clan system
* Punjabi Rajput Matrimonial Site at PunjabiMatrimony.com
* Welcome to Official Web site of Punjab, India
209.197.160.69 02:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: * Online 1 Online 2 Online 3
Atulsnischal 11:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Included in the Reference list

message: Mair Rajputs
 
The Mair Rajputs are a tribe, as it is a community related by blood. That does not mean that all Mair Rajputs are related to one another. Instead, since marriages form bonds of blood, the Mair Rajputs traditionally marry only other Mair Rajputs. The caste of the Mair Rajputs eventually has come to be goldsmiths, because that is currently their predominant occupation. Here is a possible method of classification that should reduce some confusion. The asli kaum or original community of the Mairs is the Rajput community. The Mairs, as far as I can tell, are a conglomeration of branches of different Rajput tribes. The Mair Rajputs collectively form a jaath, or tribe. The "traditional" trade or occupation of the Mairs is goldsmithing. The gothras, or families, are the sections that comprise the Mair Rajput tribe.
Source: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:uOb-UazYIpUJ:www.search.com/reference/History_of_Rajputs+Mair+Kshatriya&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=32
Atulsnischal 09:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mair Rajputs are a '''"conglomeration" of branches of different Rajput tribes'''

message: ELECTED: The following have been elected office-bearers of the Bilaspur Mair Rajput Sabha under the chairmanship of Mr Narinder Singh Jaura, convener (North India), Mair Rajput Mahasangh: president — Mr Gopal Dass Verma; senior vice-president — Mr Prem Lal Kanda; vice-presidents — Mr Mangat Ram Verma, Mr Naresh Kanda and Dr Rajesh Verma; general secretary — Mr Parveen Verma; joint secretaries — Mr Lalit Kanda and Mr Surinder Kanda; finance secretary — Mr Ajay Verma; auditors — Mr Rajender Verma and Mr Mitterpal Verma; press secretaries — Mr Surinderpal Verma and Mr Subhash Chand Kanda; and advisers — Mr Sukhdev Sehdev, Mr Rakesh Verma, Mr Ram Gopal Kanda and Mr Rajesh Kanda.
OFFICE-BEARERS: The following have been elected office-bearers of the local Property Consultants Association: chairman — Mr Mahavir Sharma; president— Mr Tirlok Singh; and general secretary — Mr Sanjeev Kumar....
Source: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:GOe1PMY10VkJ:www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060502/region.htm+Mair+Rajput+Mahasangh&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 
Atulsnischal 09:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NEWS: Mair Rajput Mahasangh

message: Elections of Mair Rajput held: The following have been elected office-bearers of the Mair Rajput Sabha: Chairman — Mr Devi Dyal Varma; Deputy Chairman — Mr Dharam Pal Bhama; President — Mr Banke Bihari Karwal; Secretary — Mr Prem Sagar Karwal; Press Secretary — Mr Brij Bihari Karwal; Cashier — Mr Gian Chand Kumprewale; and Vice-Presidents — Mr Mohan Singh Rajpoot and Mr Pawan Kumar Dhelpur.
Source:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000208/region.htm 
Atulsnischal 09:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NEWS: Mair Rajput Sabha

message: MAIR RAJPUT (SWARNKAR), Swarnkar (mair rajput), Maid Rajput (Swarankar), Swarnkar (maid rajput)
Atulsnischal 09:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Synonyms of Mair Rajput as seen on some Hindu Matrimonial Websites

message: On Hindu Matrimonial WebSites "Mair Rajputs" are found sometimes listed as:
Sonar, sunar, soni, swarnkar, mair rajput, MAIR
KSHTRIYA, MAIR RAJPUT (SWARNKAR), Swarnkar (mair rajput), Maid Rajput (Swarankar), Swarnkar (maid rajput), sunar-maid rajput, gold smith
Atulsnischal 09:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Hindu Matrimonial WebSites "Mair Rajputs" are found sometimes listed as:

message: If anyone has info on "DASONDHI / DASONDI (DANSONDH)" and why they should be added in Mair Rajputs, please add information and full details here, before addint to the main article on "Mair Rajputs of Punjab".
Thankyou
209.197.167.36 21:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone added "DASONDHI / DASONDI (DANSONDH)" in the see also list of "Mair Rajputs of Punjab" 

message: Please list here all concerned websites:
* Punjabi Rajput Matrimonial Site at PunjabiMatrimony.com usually has a good representation of the "Mair Rajput" community
Atulsnischal 17:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindu Matrimonial Websites on the Internet, which sometimes have special Punjabi, Rajput & Punjabi Rajput Sections: 

message: Mahers/Mers are basically the descendents of the meds/medes who were of Scythian/Median origin who inhabited areas of Punjabi, sindh, Gujarat. And cities like Merwar and ajmer you can see the mer influence on these cites as their names are derived from the Mer tribe.
However their social standing changed depending on the areas they lived and their situations.
Maher rajputs of Punjab became mainly sonnars, Mers of madya pardesh become exogamouse (married into) lower caste tribes and were looked down apon. 
However the Mers of katyiwar have always been a martial race. They were warriors for the jethwas rana and conquered many lands. And also mixed heavily with other rajput gotras to create a uniqe fighting force at some point in history. 
below is some information about the original Mers or meds 
As the date of the Peutingerian Table is not later than A.D. 250, we have a break of upwards of four centuries before we reach the earliest notices of the Muhammadan writers. In these we find the Meds or Mands firmly established in Sindh, along with their ancient rivals the Játs, both of whom are said to be the descendants of Ham, the son of Noah. Rashíd-ud dín further states that they were in Sindh at the time of the Mahá-bhárata, but this is amply refuted by the native histories of the province, which omit both names from the list of aborigines of Sindh. Ibn Haukal describes the Mands of his time (about A.D. 977), as occupying the banks of the Indus from Multan to the sea, and to the desert between Makrán and Famhal. Masudi, who visited India in A.D. 915-16, calls them Mind, and states that they were a race of Sindh, who were at constant war with the people of Mansura. These notices are sufficient to show, that at some time previous to the first appearance of the Muhammadans, the Meds must have been forced to migrate from the Upper Panjáb to Sindh. There they have since remained, as there can be no doubt that they are now represented by the Mers of the Árávalí Range to the east of the Indus, of Káthiáwar to the south, and of Biluchistán to the west.”
[“The name of Mer, or Mand, is still found in many parts of the Punjáb, as in Meror of the Bari and Rechna Doabs, in Mera, Mandra, and Mandanpur of the Sind Ságar Doab, and in Mandali, of Multan. Mera, which is ten miles to the west of Kalar Kahár, is certainly as old as the beginning of the Christian era, as it possesses an Arian Pali inscription, fixed in the side of a square well. The Mers would seem also to have occupied Lahore, as Abú Ríhán states that the capital of Loháwar was named Medhukur or Mandhukur.* This place is said to have been on the east bank of the Ravi, and, if so, it was most probably Lahore itself, under a new name. There is an old place called Mandhyawála, on the west bank of the Ravi, and only twelve miles to the south-west of Lahore, which may possibly be the Mandhukur of Abu Ríhán. But the old mound of Mirathira, in the Gugera district, in which figures of Buddha and moulded bricks have been discovered by the railway cuttings, is a more likely place. This frequent occurrence of the name in so many parts of the Panjáb, and always attached to old places, as in Mera, Mandra, and Meriali, of the Sindh Ságar Doab, and in Med-hukur or Mandhukur, the capital of Loháwar, offers the strongest confirmation of the conclusion which I have already derived from the notices of the classical authors, that the Meds or Mers were once the dominant race in the Panjáb. The special location of the Medi on the Hydaspes by classical writers of the first century of the Christian era, the evident antiquity of Mera, Meriali, and other places which still bear the name, and the admitted foreign origin of their modern representatives, the Mers, all point to the same conclusion, that the Medi, or Meds, were the first Indo-Scythian conquerors of the Panjáb.”
Link - http://persian.packhum.org/persian/index.jsp?serv=pf&f=&file=80201011&ct=154
Rajput-Maher
Regular Member
Joined: 2006/4/25
Posts: 249
From: 
http://www.jattworld.com/portal/userinfo.php?uid=3102 
The above book / material was found discussed on the forum above : 
http://www.jattworld.com/portal/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5186&forum=1&viewmode=flat&order=1 
Also see:
http://www.jattworld.com/portal/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5275&forum=1 
http://www.jattworld.com/portal/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5292&forum=6
Atulsnischal 10:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: IS RANA A JATT SURNAME

message: “Sunar: The occupational caste of goldsmiths and silversmiths. The name is derived from the Sanskrit Suvarna kār, a worker in gold. In 1911 the Sunārs numbered 96,000 persons in the Central Provinces and 30,000 in Berār. They live all over the Province and are most numerous in the large towns.”
“The Sunārs also have a story that they are the descendants of one of two Rājpūt brothers, who were saved as boys by a Sāraswat Brāhman from the wrath of Parasurāma when he was destroying the Kshatriyas. The descendants of the other brother were the Khatris. This is the same story as is told by the Khatris of their own origin, but they do not acknowledge the connection with Sunārs, nor can the Sunārs allege that Sāraswat Brāhmans eat with them as they do with Khatris.”
“Owing to their association with the sacred metal gold, and the fact that they generally live in towns or large villages, and many of their members are well-to-do, the Sunārs occupy a fairly high position, ranking equal with, or above the cultivating castes.”
Refrence: R.V.Russell assisted by Rai Bahadur Hira Lal; The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India; published under the orders of the Central Provinces Administration, McMillan and Co. Ltd., St. Martin Street, London, 1916
Atulsnischal (talk) 02:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Following text inserted in [[Mair Rajput]] article was pasted to [[Sunar]] article where it is relevant

message: The following text, which user:Atulsnischal is adamant on pushing on wikipedia is highly flawed, unverifiable, POV and wishful thinking.
user:Atulsnischal has been invited to discuss and provide reliable NPOV citations for his claims on talk pages of article Sikh Rajputs. Nevertheless, he not only fails to discuss and provide reliable information but continues to push his POV onto wikipedia. Please do not restore this content as its highly flawed. See the talkpage of article Sikh Rajputs for more information. Thanks, --Roadahead (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this page also has the same contentious POV material that is being disputed on Sikh Rajputs page. The issue is being dealt with and a decision will be reached for consensus on this page also.--Shanti bhai (talk) 20:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The request for citations has been in excess of a year here also...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanti bhai (talk • contribs) 13:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing weasel words 

message: " Initially, the treasure of kings was managed by the Brahmins.But, the kings relied more on their sons and daughters. So they gave the treasure to them. The kings ordered their sons and daughters to increase the wealth in their treasure that was Gold, Silver, Diamonds and other precious stones. At that time agriculture was not so developed so they did not take any kind of interest in land.Therefore, they started a business of Gold, Diamonds and precious stones.Even today the business of gold and diamonds is run by mostly royal clans. The people of lower castes are not allowed to practise this profession even today. Thus,the traditional treasure owners of ancient India are Mair Rajputs. Thus,the Mair Rajputs are the real ancient royal rajputs.It is evident, even from their body structure and royal touch in behaviour and living style.
To be called as Goldsmith(Pbi:Suniar, Hdi:Sunar) , is a matter of proud for all the Mair Rajputs, because only the royal clans can take control of business of Gold and Diamonds, which is the traditional profession of Mair Rajputs. 
The history of Mair Rajputs can be traced back to vedic age. They belong to Kashtriyas of Aryans.But the name Mair belongs to Marwar region of Rajasthan. The prefixes Mair, Mayer, Mer have the same meaning.A few families may had migrated centuries ago. But, now their population is very large. They have dominated education, business, innovation and proved their royality in every field of advanced technology."
Above POV Remark of User "Harwinderkarwal" removed and listed here for record.
mrigthrishna (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Remark removed and listed here for record

message: There is a dispute at on the page Khatri.  keeps reverting the article to a version which says:
:"Khatri is the name given to Mair Rajputs, Sikh Rajputs and Muslim Rajputs"
The citations provided to support this statement (and some other statements) failed verification -- other editors checked the sources provided, but could not find any text which says that Mair/Sikh/Muslim Rajputs are Kshatriya.
The page has been protected now to prevent a revert war, and the current version of the page contains the above claim of Rajputs being Khatri in the intro.
If you are knowledgable about the topic Rajput, or have a source which proves/disproves the above claim, please help resolving the dispute at Talk:Khatri. utcursch | talk 06:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment needed at Talk:Khatri 

message: I have removed the section for subcastes. It was very poorly sourced (including to the dreaded James Tod, it was extremely poorly written, it used anecdotal evidence of various contributors as well as hearsay, and generally it simply was not up to the most basic Wikipedia standards.
There is nothing to prevent the information being added back, but only if it complies with our policies and guidelines, including WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:NLIST and WP:V. - Sitush (talk) 18:13, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcastes 

message: *  20:37, 3 April 2012‎ Atulsnischal (talk | contribs)‎ . . (11,445 bytes) (+6,124)‎ . . (reverting to oldid=290798455 original referenced article updated to 21:14, 18 May 2009‎ by Atulsnischal before it was freely POVed and vadalized by people with agendas prooving Mair Rajputs are Not RAJPUTS or from high caste KSHTRIYAS) (undo) 
mrigthrishna (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted to "MAIR RAJPUTS" OLD VERSION that I originally wrore with sources, please improve on it and help find sources

message: There has been some to-ing and fro-ing going on here as of late. I have just reverted a block of edits because they appear to be huge changes to sourced content and a probable reversion to a previous state that was unacceptable per policy etc. However, I would hope that if the issues remain then they could be discussed here beforehand. As stated at the head of this page, this article is subject to sanctions and as such we all need to take care. - Sitush (talk) 00:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits and reverts 

message: Is there any academic source which actually calls them sunar? - NitinMlk (talk) 23:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot recall ever seeing one. - Sitush (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. I've removed the sunar bit for now, as I also couldn't find any reliable source for the same. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:57, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding [[sunar]] claim 

message: Mairh Rajput 2405:204:148B:FDCC:0:0:19B8:70AD (talk) 23:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mairh Rajput