Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season statistics/Archive 2

message: The creation of the templates is done.  The re-creation of the table is still in progress at user:ems57fcva/sandbox/TC table.  If someone wants to help me with this, my advice is to start at the Delta (unless Epsilon transitions back to being extratropical soon), and work back while I contine to work forwards.  As soon as this is done, the revised table can be transferred over to this article, and people can begin to play around with color and formatting schemes involving it. --EMS | Talk 05:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try removing the color from everywhere except the Category and Landfall sections and see how it looks. - Cuivienen 03:24, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The catX shouldn't have to be in the template name; you can easily add a cat=cat1 parameter to each template. Jdorje 03:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I guess that's what you do...the other templates are just helpers.  Well then, the next thing is to make sure you use the color templates (see ) for the colors. Jdorje 03:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The helper templates should be in a sub-category. Jdorje 03:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: BTW - You should use bgcolor=# if you do try to reduce the extent of coloration.  (Please remember that white is the category 1 hurricane color.) --EMS | Talk 04:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template creation complete 

message: I tried to set up the modified table, with the numbers for the other way (when they are not the same as for the first way) in parentheses.  This is what I ended up with:
Month    	# Storms of class	# Storms of class	# Storms of class	# Storms of class	# Storms of class	# Storms of class	# Storms of class		# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class	# Storms at least of class
Month    	D                	S                	1                	2                	3                	4                	5                		D                         	S                         	1                         	2                         	3                         	4                         	5
June     	0                	2                	0                	0                	0                	0                	0                		2                         	2                         	0                         	0                         	0                         	0                         	0
July     	0                	3                	0                	0                	0                	2                	0                		5                         	5                         	2                         	2                         	2                         	2                         	0
August   	1                	3                	0                	1                	0                	0                	1                		6                         	5                         	2                         	2                         	1                         	1                         	1
September	1 (2)            	0                	3                	0                	1                	0                	1                		6 (7)                     	5                         	5                         	2                         	2                         	1                         	1
October  	1 (2)            	2                	2                	0                	1                	0                	1                		7 (8)                     	6                         	4                         	2                         	2                         	1                         	1
November 	0                	2 (3)            	1 (0)            	0                	0                	0                	0                		3                         	3                         	1 (0)                     	0                         	0                         	0                         	0
December 	0                	0                	0 (1)            	0                	0                	0                	0                		0 (1)                     	0 (1)                     	0 (1)                     	0                         	0                         	0                         	0
         	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 		                          	                          	                          	                          	                          	                          	
Season   	3                	13               	6                	1                	2                	2                	3                		29                        	26                        	14                        	8                         	7                         	5                         	3
Man.  Is this ugly.  Maybe a parallel table, without season totals, could be done.  However, this chimera is not going to work. --EMS | Talk 03:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it help if you left-aligned the numbers instead of right-aligned?  Or am I missing some bigger problem? --AySz88^-^ 03:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I took a look at it.  That way is better, but the table overall is still a strange jumble with the second numbers in some places.  I think that the real problem is that I am trying to kill two bird with one stone, and what dies in the usefulness of the table.  So thanks for the suggestion, but this still is not going to work. --EMS | Talk 05:09, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This isn't going to work 

message: Despite the fact that the other 1,000+ deaths from Stan have been said to be indirect, they are still death attributed to Stan. Of the 119 deaths attributed to Rita, only 6 were direct, yet all 119 have been counted toward the seasonal death toll. Similarly, all 1,153+ deaths from Stan should be counted towards to seasonal toll in order to maintain consistency. - Cuivienen 19:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That weather pattern seems associated with Stan to me, but I'm not an expert. Honestly, I think the NHC is splitting hairs here anyway. It was a very wet storm in a moisture filled environment. If you look at the sat imagry, it's hard to tell which clouds are part of Stan and which are not. So I'd say the whole thing was Stan. Call me lazy, but I'm not sure it matters. That's just me. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 21:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whoops, I hadn't realized that the NHC was only counting "direct" deaths.  I guess I agree, though I'll give some time before reverting back. --AySz88^-^ 21:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHC has always only counted direct deaths in their official numbers. For example, they will always maintain Rita's official death toll as 6, not 119. Those other 1,000+ deaths counted as Stan-related sure look like they were related to me, I can't see how it would have been so bad otherwise... CrazyC83 18:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It's not entirely clear from the end-of-season summary but it sounds like they are saying the 1000+ deaths are not due to stan at all, but to unrelated rainfall that happened in the same time and place. Jdorje 22:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  My reading of this is that the NHC is saying that most of the deaths were due to rainfall from a storm which was near Stan but not a part of it.  If that rainfall was not generated by Stan, then those deaths are not a part of Stan's death toll.  I think that we need to look at the issue more carefully, but my sense of this is that Stan's death toll as given by the NHC is the one we want to use.  [I can see the deaths of the people in the bus fire while leaving Houston as being properly counted as indirect deaths.  I cannot see counting deaths due to rains that (at least in theory) would have pounded Central American anyway even if Stan had not formed.] --EMS | Talk 02:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree.. that Stan seems highly responsible for the weather pattern.  If stan was not present, that blotch of moisture would not have been sucked north [toward stan's lower pressure].  Then again, I have not studied all of meterology. SiriusAlphaCMa 09:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stan's Death Toll 

message: I have reduced the color extent in the big statistics table, so that people can see it and evaluate it.  Feedback appreciated.  I personally prefer it the other way, but will abide by the consensus to retain or revert this.  --EMS | Talk 17:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, much less overwhelming. I like it. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 04:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reduced color extent 

message: What i'm saying is that since the link of the ACE Rating has for storms 10+ has the 2nd decimal. The table here doesn't. So why not just add it. And also add the rating to the notable storms, Cindy,Dennis,Emily,Katrina,Ophelia,Rita,Stan,Wilma,Alpha,Beta and Gamma.
For the table in statistics:
Wilma:38.62
Ophelia:16.30
Epsilon:13.42
Rita:25.19
Katrina:19.81
Dennis:18.38
Irene:12.71
Maria:13.91
Emily:32.00
And for the other storms:(adding a 3rd decimal)
Stan:2.355
Alpha: .5275
Beta: 6.59
Gamma:1.045
Cindy: 1.295
What do you guys think? User:HurricaneCraze32
: Disapprove - You are adding data but not information. --EMS | Talk 17:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Accumlated Cyclone Energy Rating for 10+

message: Substituted at 20:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment