Talk:Language processing in the brain

message: copy editing is not one of my strengths, So I thought others who wish to edit this article may find this collection of review paper of some use Language Processing in the Brain dolfrog (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some review papers editors may find useful 

message: This article seems focused almost exclusively on speech processing in the brain to the exclusion of the neurological basis of written language. The article should either be expanded or renamed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 (talk) 02:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Very little information given on brain centers responsible for written language

message: The disorder of Autism basically impact children at a young age, and most who has the disorder also have a learning disability. Research has also claimed that if a child with autism who are not speaking by the age 4 or 5, most likely will not learn to properly speak and comprehend from then on. https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/many-nonverbal-children-autism-overcome-severe-language-delays Langauge is easiest to learn at a young age, but those who have a learning disability due to autism are blocked from the ability to learn a language at a young age. Is it harder for those with a learning disability to learn a language now? If so, how?
Questions that also arises is what factors of autism prevent those with it to have a learning disability, thus some having a language-delay and some not being able to learn a language at?
What factors determine if a child does learn a language after a language-delay and a child not learning a language?  
How does the brain structure people with ALShttp://www.alsa.org/about-als/ compare to someone with autism?
I believe this Wikipedia page should include the numerous disorder which affects language processing in the brain, as there are numerous question and factors of how one brain can or can not comprehend/learn a language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toanndo (talk • contribs) 03:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autism Affecting Language Processing in the Brain 

message: This article doesn't include information on sign languages, which would strengthen this article. Lornaquandt (talk) 18:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look. you are more than welcome to write a section on the other aspects of language processing in the brain. I think there should be a section on the visual word form area(VWFA) (although it already has its own wiki page) and its connections with the auditory dorsal and ventral streams. These references are good reviews discussing the subject: Jobard et al., 2003; Bolger et al., 2005; Spitsyna et al., 2006; Brambati et al., 2009. How sign language is processed in the brain is a bit more mysterious despite ample research on the gestural theory, and visual mimicry. But it appears to be in connection to areas MT, MST and EBA with the auditory dorsal stream (the so called ventral-dorsal stream, which is separate from the traditional dorsal-dorsal stream; Binkofsky and Bixbaum, 2013). In regard to your argument that iconic and written languages have the same neuroanatomical standing as audio-vocal languages, what I was trying to communicate is that if healthy children grow up in a natural environment they begin to communicate with their voices. This happens globally and in all societies. There needs to be unqie circumstances such as all muted community for people to start communicating with hand gestures, instead of voices. Naturally, healthy people without guidance use their voices for communication. Therefore, audio-vocal languages are the preferred course for communication. Hence, more natural, and the route for audio-vocal communication is preferred. But, as I said before, you are welcome to write these sections. Otherwise, I'll write them when I get the chance  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No section on visual languages / sign languages 

message: There's some back forth happening recently. User KarinaCors has made changes based on their understanding of scientific consensus on a "defunct theory", but has not explained what that theory is or why it is defunct. Perhaps a discussion on the talk page would be more helpful than making substantive changes on the page itself. Lornaquandt (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the defunct status of the Wernicke-Lichtheim-Geschwind model, please read references 10-16 in the article. It has been acknowledged for about 20 years now that the concept of Wernicke's area was based on misunderstandings of analysis of brain damaged patients, and is not suuported by MRI research. This has been acknowledged by leading leaders in the field of language processing in the brain, such as Nina Dronkers, Marsel Mesulam, Josef Rauschecker, David Poeppel and Gregory Hickok.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 13:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Sections 'sound localization', 'guidance of eye movements' and 'integration of locations with auditory objects' were removed from this article. Sections that were accidentally erased 'speech production', 'vocal mimicry' and 'monitoring of speech' were recreated.KarinaCor (talk) 18:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Ok. But now the current page makes no sense. You took out the parts discussing language processing in the brain.KarinaCor (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps it would make sense to remerge and restore the redirects from Auditory dorsal stream and Auditory ventral stream back to this article. Boghog (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But the pages were not identical. Per requests of editors here, the auditory dorsal stream page focuses also on non-linguistic functions, such as sound localization. The current page just focuses on the language parts of the auditory dorsal stream. I see the problem you identify, but currently the page has into and conclusion and no content.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 19:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Big chucks were identical and clearly copy and pasted from the parent into the daughter articles. Is there any way we can remove the redundancy? Boghog (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe its because I'm new here but I don't truly understand what is the problem. Between related topics there are bound to be overlapping sections. Seems natural to me and not something to worry about. Currently, people who are curious about language processing in the brain have no access to it through wikipedia. If it is necessary then a solution would be to remove the auditory ventral stream section and auditory dorsal stream section, and revert back the language processing in the brain section to its latest version.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 19:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

text: I think the core of confusion is that for some reason a part of the ADS discussing speech production was erased. If to revert then to the latest version (the one discussing speech production)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 20:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or yet another idea.  Why not reduce the number of articles from three to two.  LP/ADS and SP/AVS?  This would seem to be a lot cleaner. Boghog (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure how to revert. The article should be changed to this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Language_processing_in_the_brain&direction=next&oldid=871224537. Then the auditory ventral stream article should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 20:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   There is very little unique material in the either of the daughter articles compared to the version of this article that you want to revert back to.  Hence I propose that the redirect to both Auditory dorsal stream and Auditory ventral stream back to this article as I originally proposed.  Is that OK? Boghog (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

text:  There is virtually no material in AVS that is not contained in this article, hence I have redirected it to this article. Most of the ADS article contents is also found in this article, with the exception of (1) Sound localization, (2) Guidance of eye movements, nad (3) Integration of locations with auditory objects. Not sure how to handle this. Boghog (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

text: My concern is that sound processing is not always a prerequisite for language processing. It is a prerequisite for spoken language but signed languages are processed in much the same way in the brain. Therefore, it is skewed to put in only one sensory system that can perceive linguistic stimuli and not others. Bkaps13 (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Language processing includes verbal, written, and signed. Sound processing is a prerequisite for verbal language processing so it is within the scope of this article. Boghog (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok then the next step would be to add in equal descriptions of visual processing and reading processing to discuss other ways linguistic stimuli can be perceived and processed. Bkaps13 (talk) 01:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

text:  Sure, sound processing could be included in this article. But sound processing is a requisite for spoken language processing, it is not the only way to access linguistic content. As I noted many months ago, there is still no mention of sign language and currently there is little mention of written language. This article is strangely skewed to auditory processing. For example, why should there be a section on "non-linguistic function of the auditory system" in an article about language? That content belongs elsewhere. This article should contain information about *language* in all of its forms; not simply hash out the entirety of the auditory processing stream. Lornaquandt (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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