Talk:Air (French band)

message: I think the Mike Mills Air refers to, is another Mike Mills, not the R.E.M member... does anyone have any info on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by NuclearFunk (talk • contribs) 12:38, 2 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been the director of several videos for them and he drew several of their album covers too.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.102.7.229 (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Mills 

message: From the inroduction:
"critically acclaimed _first_ album Moon Safari was _followed_ by the release of Premiers Symptômes"
And from the discography:
"# 1997 Premiers Symptômes - (5 tracks) - 12"/CD Source
# 1998 Moon Safari - 12"/CD/MD Source - UK #6
# 1999 Premiers Symptômes - (7 tracks) - 12"/CD Source - UK #12"
Clearly something isn't right here. A correction or an explanation would be appreciated.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.172.65 (talk) 19:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The original Premiers Symptômes was released in 1997 in limited copies. After the success of Moon Safari, the album was re-released in 1999 with added bonus tracks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.121.208 (talk) 18:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album order incorrection. 

message: Air left Recordmakers some months ago.Does anybody have informations about a new record label?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.211.13 (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 05:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record Label 

message: aren't these guys gay? not that there's anything wrong with that...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.131.137 (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A common speculation given their song "Sexy Boy", but no, and there isn't. Hyacinth 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they are not gay, if you look in the Moon Safari booklet, their wives are credited as doing the clapping in La Femme du Argent. And, again, if you read the Moon Safari booklet, the song New star in the sky is dedicated to the son of one of them, can't remember who right now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.174.250.32 (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  homosexualtiy 

message: Before they were simply Air, they were known as Air (French band). Since this name has some history behind it, i think it would make a better title for the article. Also, another air is at Air (Japanese band), so this move would increase consistency, too. Does anyone else support this move? Foobaz·o< 01:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though it may have been used only once, it is nevertheless a "specification" that was once used and is therefore a good choice for a disambiguation suffix, because nothing new is 'invented' by Wikipedia. --88.66.35.154 19:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Air (French band)? 

message: I don't really see the point of listing every single movie that's had music by Air in it. It doesn't really seem all that interesting. Is there anyone who objects to removing everything except music videos (and videos about Air (if there are any))? Those I really want to remove are 10 Things I Hate About You, Startup.com, and Lost in Translation. I'm not sure about The Architecture of Reassurance, because I don't know anything about it, I'll have to see what I can find about it, but unless it's about Air, or their music I'd like to remove it. I think The Virgin Suicides can be left in, because as far as I know, Air made all music for the movie. Thoughts? --Lijnema 11:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think it's useful and informative to list the movies that have featured Air's music, even if there are quite a few of them. I do agree that it takes up a good chunk of space. Perhaps there's a way it could be streamlined a little.Ministry of Silly Walks 01:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ministry, and I especially think "Lost in Translation" should stay in, as the song was originally intended for the movie. The song is called "Alone in Kyoto", and it is used when she is alone...and in Kyoto.monkeygra 21:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos and movies cleanup? 

message: Why does it say in "Origin" that there from kazakstan when nothing about it is mentioned in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Minivergur (talk • contribs) 15:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazakstan? 

message: Is there a source for it anywhere? I did a quick google search, and there were a few pages mentioning it, but I couldn't find any pointing to a real source. --Lijnema 10:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one? Because without sourcing it would be better to revert all those capitalised AIRs into Airs. --Lijnema 01:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have a source and don't know one way or the other, but I agree that it should be reverted if no source is produced. --PEJL 09:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  just because you can't find an *definitive* internet source doesn't mean it isn't true. not every bit of information in existance is on the internet. while i haven't heard this first-hand, i did find this: http://www.airfrenchband.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=636&sid=17150a74a642c8dec8d2d71f19294760 there are a few posts in there. monkeygra 06:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources Wikipedia:Verifiability and also WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided. And Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I have reverted for now but if you find proper sources for backing up your claim, I encourage you to re-insert the information. – sgeureka t•c 07:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: How the name is capitalized on album covers is irrelevant, per WP:NC#Album titles and band names. What is relevant is whether the name is really an acronym or not. While the name may at one time have been an acronym, the question is if it is still being used as such. --PEJL 21:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  i've personally always disagreed with the naming conventions of Wikipedia (and Discogs, too), but that's just me. anyway, while originally indended as an acronym as shown in the interview from "AIR de A à Z", it was never actually shown as such on their record packaging (as far as i know). I'm looking at the packaging of "Pocket Symphony" right now, and the band name is still printed in all capital letters (while the font used shows all big and small letters in the same style, the capitals are still noticeably taller than the rest). i've never seen any "official" release (original band release, not compilations that might not know better, etc.) that did NOT show the band name in all capitals. even their LateNightTales cover shows it in all capitals. monkeygra 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But as PEJL pointed out, how they use it doesn't really matter unless it's an acronym. But anyway, I went through my CDs to check how they've capitalised their name. It looks like up until Premiers Symptomes they were using all lowercase or mixed case (you can go to this astralweks page to see what I mean, scroll down to the bottom). In the sleeve of Premiers Symptomes the name is written as "Air" everywhere. In the sleeve of Moon Safari, it's "AIR". In The Virgin Suicides, they use a font with no lowercase (so I guess you can say it's "AIR"). In 10000Hz Legend they use "AIR". And finally in Talkie Walkie it's "Air". I don't have the City Reading at hand, and I don't have Pocket Symphony at all. All the text I've mentioned is the ones in the sleeve, or the back of the sleeve, where it says who wrote/produced/etc things. Personally, I think that "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" might have been how they came up with the name Air, and is not meant as an acronym, as you point out they don't mention Air being an acronym anywhere on their sleeves, or anywhere else for that matter. I do think that it would be good to mention "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" somewhere, that Godin and Duncel find that those words summarise the music or something (the quote seems to incidate that). And finally, thanks for looking around for sources, monkeygra, good job. --Lijnema 01:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  to me, it seems that the capitalization of just the first letter would be because of someone at the label who wouldn't necessarily be in-the-know (especially american versions). anyway, what it is to me is something that seems very likely (the acronym deal) but none of us here know *for sure* how Dunckel and Godin intend for it to be used. i'm just thinking that it seems more likely that the band name (whether it is to be an acronym or not) is always intended to be in all-capitals. that's what i think. i'm not trying to sound like a jerk about it, or anything. monkeygra 03:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think PEJL is correct, and that WIkipedia's policy is right, simply because graphic design is not spelling or capitalization. A band may choose to use graphic design on its covers that uses all lower-case, or all caps: that does not mean the name is spelled that way. Many bands vary such designs, and it's rare to find a band that definitely claims its name should be all lower-case or all caps. Even there, I find this an annoying tendency, similar to specifying that your name appear only in 24-point Helvetica bold. Proper nouns in English capitalize their first letter: that's the standard that should be used. Unless a name is an acronym or initialism, it should not be all caps (ex: R.E.M.). 2fs 14:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And yet in (circa) 2022 they both told the BBC, on camera that it was an acronym. I updated the article to add a section explaining the conflicting statements. —mjb (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acronym 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Moonsafari.air.albumcover.jpg

message: I think their vocal style deserves a mention. Prior to hearing about the band in a news report I thought they had a female front singer. As most people probably know (at least after reading the list of band members), the female voice is actually performed by a man. It's not just falsetto or something, he actually sounds like a female singer. I think that should be mentioned somewhere, because I'm sure many people expected a woman to be the owner of that voice, especially after hearing Sexy Boy. -- 78.34.72.78 (talk) 06:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to the wonders of vocoders. Doesn't need to be mentioned. ♫ Douglasr007 (talk)  19:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal style 

message: Seriously, is that necessary? I deleted it. It's useless and no other band has a section like it. 76.237.88.71 (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Instruments Section 

message: Why does that section have such a stupid heading? I have never seen any other band page refer to the formation of the group as their "genesis." It's incredibly pretentious. --NBMATT (talk) 04:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Genesis of the band" 

message: To the guy who keeps changing the genres: You can repeat yourself all you want, but repeating it doesn't make it so. The two genres I left on the page are weakly sourced, but a weak source is better than no source at all. You are adding genres the provided source does not verify. Did you even check the source? It doesn't mention genres at all, not "prog" or anything else. I looked it up in a library database. I look forward to your next block for genre warring and socking so I don't have to deal with your behavior any longer. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 02:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Sound of Marcos Valle, on his 1973 album "Previsão do Tempo" (Weather Forecast), is the sound of Air on "Moon Safari". Must be cited as an influence. The tranquil period moog synthesizer sound is from the title track of that album.  86.168.57.228 (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marcos Valle 

message: The track Close Your Eyes on Jean Michel Jarre's Electronica 1 The Time Machine album could be added to the article by an editor then delete this from talk if they wish—Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.54.203 (talk) 15:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Jean Michel Jarre collaboration 2015 release not listed, in this article and/or discography 

message: Could we change the name of the article Air (French band) to Air (band). It is more neutral and there isn't any other band called Air (bar Air (free jazz trio) a not famous band, visibility on wikipedia = article seen 230 in the last 30 days...]), so Air (French band) is not justified. Tagging a band with its nationality is also annoying . , . Iennes (talk) 12:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Mildly support this, for reasons given. On the other hand, it's been "French band" in WP for a dozen years, and the extra info is correct. Would give folks a chance to chime in, but if they don't, no objection to the change. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was no objection, I have moved the page, and added a hatnote to differentiate it from Air (free jazz trio). There's still a redirect from "French band", so those looking for it there will find it.—Anne Delong (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: My copy of Moon Safari actually states "French band" on the front of the CD booklet, it's written vertically after the "R" of "AIR"; indeed, the image on our article also does this. On my copy, the words "French band" also appear (horizontally) on the spines of the inlay card, and (vertically) on the CD disc. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:37, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

text: You've been told not to engage a wheel war, be it on fr or here. Please don't push your own pov. You've been blocked for this kind of behaviour on .fr already. --Koui² (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Koui2's refusal to explain his point of view shows that he is in pure obstruction. On this talk, administrator  has already asked Koui2 to stop his reverts. This is his first message and he still doesn't reply and carries on bringing discussion on from a fr wiki.  Iennes (talk) 23:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Change of name from "Air (French band)" to "Air (band)" 2017 

message: I've put instead this ["Air is stylized as AIR on their record sleeves"] in the notes at the bottom of the article; So it doesn't appear in the lead anymore. It seems apt as 100% of their album sleeves had got AIR written like this, 90% of their singles has got AIR like this. "all their sleeves are reproduced here". Iennes (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been told not to engage a wheel war, be it on fr or here. Please don't push your own pov. You've been blocked for this kind of behaviour on .fr already. --Koui² (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Koui2's refusal to explain his point of view shows that he is in pure obstruction. On this talk, administrator  has already asked Koui2 to stop his reverts. This is his first message and he still doesn't reply and carries on bringing discussion on from a fr wiki.  Iennes (talk) 23:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Current version

message: Which version has to appear in the notes: a)  "Often stylized as AIR" or b)  "Sometimes stylized as AIR"?  100% of their albums and 90% of their singles stylize AIR in capitals, all their sleeves are all reproduced on this wp:reliable source which is Allmusic .  From 1998, all their sleeves (albums, cd-singles, 7inchs, dvds) have been showing AIR.-  Iennes (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the point, there isn't any artwork in a review, didn't know that listeners were buying reviews instead of records with sleeves and design. Iennes (talk) 17:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we alter the Metallica page then? And all the films that capitalize their titles, like The Matrix and Iron Man? Their albums all show it in caps. And, as pointed out above, their webpage doesn't always use all caps. You point out that it's done by a "webmaster", but surely the band would alert him if they disapproved? Argento Surfer (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: it is a bad comparison, Metallica has got a logo like every metal band like Motorhead, Acdc... The font of Air's name is never the same from one record to another BUT it is always in capitals since they have released "Sexy Boy" and their debut album Moon Safari. Iennes (talk) 17:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

text: maybe it is because you do not own any of their records. Iennes (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

text: *, you did notice that the only sources mentioned showing it as AIR were "album art" and "part of their website", right? Argento Surfer (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Argento, have you got one album of them, if you do you'll see the design, have you ever seen them live once promoted by a poster with their name in italics? All their posters, promo material write their name in capitals. You did notice, right ?Iennes (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm aware of the logo design. Have you seen all the posters and promo material for the movie Iron Man? It's always written in capitals. Should we add a note to that article that Iron Man is sometimes stylized as IRON MAN? You're confusing logo and graphic design with actual print material. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: in case you haven't noticed, music is not played by actors, it is composed by musicians and the film industry is a completely different business. Iennes (talk) 20:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen actors play music in movies. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Rfc

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

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message: Hello folks, I've removed the "bibliography" section because the only book/website cited in it was Jim Derogatis' "Milk It". Well I happen to have said book and there is literaly NOTHING about the band! They're not even mentioned on the index! Maybe I'm missing something, but why the devil was the book cited in the first place? If I'm in the wrong, please do let me know, but as Wiki asks their users to be bold, I've taken it out myself. --Sickboy3883 (talk) 14:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting - pinging User:Derek R Bullamore, who added this, but I agree that taking it out seems a good idea under these circumstances. Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting - although I can not disagree with the edit summary, I have never heard of this publication - so where that came from I have no idea !  It was three and a half years ago so....  The removal is fine by me. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibilography? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved per request with  becoming a redirect to Air (disambiguation)#Groups.  Favonian (talk) 20:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Air (band) →  – Air (jazz rock band) American band, and also Air (free jazz trio) also American. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 October 2022