Talk:Maharajkumar of Vizianagram

message: The current version says that when the ruler of Vizianagaram died, Vizzy had troubles with his nephew. He left him to rule Vizianagaram and moved to the family estates in Benares. This comes from Cashman. Boria Majumdar seems to suggest that the ruler who died was Vizzy's father.  Found an alternate version in a page about Vizianagaram that he was the younger brother (and not the nephew) of the ruler of Vizianagaram. The Cashman version is being retained till a more definitive source is found for this Tintin 20:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with the ruler 

message: Came across this site and Cashman seems to wrong. Maharaja Sahib Pusapati Chittibabu VIJAYARAMA GAJAPATHI Raju Manea Sultan Bahadur ruled Vizianagaram till 1922. Vizzy was his second son. His elder brother became the new king. Vizzy married in 1923 and his wife was the princess of Benares (Kashipur). Tintin 20:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genealogy 

message: Most of standard texts use Maharajkumar of Vizianagram instead of Vizianagram. 
Ref:Cricket and Politics in Colonial India - Ramachandra Guha
Past and Present, No. 161. (Nov., 1998), pp. 155-190.
--Vyzasatya 23:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure whether I got your point, but the article does not use plain 'Vizianagram' as his name. Vizzy is used quite often because he was known that way in cricketing circles and as it is much simpler to write. Tintin 23:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration of name

message: Some work is still on behind the scenes to check facts where the sources disagree. These are some of the issues.
1. Where he was born ?
*Benares according to the cricketing sources
*Vizianagram according to the Indian Princely States site. 
2. Why did he leave for Benares ?
*Following a quarrel with a nephew (Cashman p.41, Bose p.65). It is possible that Bose took it from Cashman. But Vizzy was never the heir to the throne and Cashman's left his nephew to rule Vizianagram doesn't sound convincing because it was Vizzy's elder brother who succeeded his father. Couldn't find more about this and hence it is left out of the article.
* He never left Benares, He died in Benares, he did live in Kanpur too for a long time. His grandmother, one who adopted his father, left him one of the main family palaces which he sold for a decent sum back to his nephew in 1950s. That palace was in the estate. 
**The question was not about when he left Benares, but when he left *for* Benares from Vizianagram. Tintin (talk) 04:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But in Page 67 you will find that Raju Pusapati Vijayram Gajapati (Vizzy's nephew, and the person who appears the other link as Vijayram Raju) was MP from Bobbili in 2,5,6 and 7 Lok Sabhas. But there was no Bobbili constituency during the time of the second Lok Sabha according to the first link. I have no clue what to make out of this sort of mess. Tintin 03:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The elections for the Visakhapatnam parliament seat vacated by PVGR was held on 16.4.1960 and Vizzy won unopposed (line 115 in sheet 2). So Vizzy was an MP twice - in the 1960 by-elections and in the 1962 elections for the third Lok Sabha, both from Visakhapatnam. Tintin Talk 23:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparing sources

message: A recent news article that refers to a plaque at the Ferozeshah Kotla commemorating Vizzy's donation of the pavilion - it reads 
:The Willingdon Pavilion
:By Vizzy of Vizianagram
:Opened by His Excellency, the Right Honourable
:The Earl of Willingdon
:Viceroy and Governor General of India, 10th Feb, 1933
(My note - a typo perhaps ? It cannot be 'Vizzy of Vizianagram' if it was made in 1933) Tintin 05:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kotla 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Cricinfo's profile lists him as "Maharajah of Vizianagram", as indeed do one or two articles here on Wikipedia (eg Avro Commodore). I've therefore created a redirect from there to here... but what's the difference between "Maharajah" and "Maharajkumar"? (And is Cricinfo actually incorrect to use the former version?) On top of this, CricketArchive's scorecards (such as this one have "Maharaj Kumar of Vizianagram's XI". Again, is that incorrect? Loganberry (Talk) 19:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well to add a further one to the mix, the London Gazette entries realting to his knighthood have him as "Rajkumar".  David Underdown (talk) 17:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maharaja or Raja is a king. Rajkumar or Maharajkumar is a king's son (used on its own "kumar" can mean boy, son, young man etc, usually someone of nobility). Vizzy was never the Maharaja - he was the second son of his father, so his father was succeeded by Vizzy's elder brother and then his (Vizzy's) nephew. Cricinfo is wrong. Tintin 10:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the Avro Commodore article probably refers to the real Maharaja of Vizianagram - Vizzy's elder brother - and not Vizzy. IMO, Maharaja of Vizianagram should be a dab page, with links to people like Pusapati Vijaya Rama Gajapati Raju and Pusapati Ananda Gajapati Raju, and with a mention about Vizzy. Tintin 10:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maharajah? 

message: If he was the second son of the ruler of Vizianagaram (12 letters), why are we calling him the Maharajkumar of Vizianagram (11 letters)?  This has nothing to do with anagrams.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that Vizzy was stuck with Vizianagram because it was the colonial spelling and that the name of the place began to be written as Vizianagaram some time in the more recent past. It is pronounced as if there is an 'a' after g. Tintin 15:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: VizianaGARAM vs VizianaGRAM