Talk:Economy of China/Archive 2

message: I read a some random pieces from the article and under trade and services it says "Average tariff rates on key U.S. agricultural exports will drop from 31% to 14% in 2004 and on industrial products from 25% to 9% by 2005." Please revise the article and update facts if necessary for a more up to date article. thanks JJB 15:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The amount of updating for this page need to be so massive it would be similar in scale to the growth rate of the Chinese ecnomy.  Yongke 23:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs updating 

message: There are 1 billion Chinese farmers <-- This is obviously untrue considering the total work force is 778 million, and less than 1/2 of the workforce works in agriculture. 75.22.81.171 09:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected the statement. Please add new talk topics at the bottom of the existing ones (see the talkheader). - Ryanjo 03:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Agriculture

message: This page has received a large amount of vandalism in a small amount of time. Some errors are still on the page and need to be found. Shotmenot 14:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: This blog entry remarks:
:Consider that China essentially has no real estate market (the government owns all the land in China, and grants leases to home owners for up to 75 years).
If accurate, that would make the basis of an interesting section for this article. -- Beland 21:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this also relates to the problem of uncompensated confiscation of farming land to build factories by local officials. Fred Bauder 17:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land ownership 

message: Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories.  I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site;  http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=12 concerning China’s economic influence throughout Asia.  Please let me know if I can post this link.  Many thanks in advance. Blendus 01:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Link

message: Could anyone get a logarithmic graph to replace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prc1952-2005gdp.gif, as I think that would show much better the relative growth of the country. Were it not for me having to assume good faith I would say that this graph is designed to overstate growth after the market reforms... --Tilmitt 15:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GDP graph

message: I did not make this up. There is such a thing and it would make an interesting article. Fred Bauder 13:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the good old US of A, there is also a strategic reserve of poop.  I am not making this up either, I simply don't have any sorces.  It would make an VERY interesting article indeed.  24.89.245.62 03:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clever, but it's all about sources now. Fred Bauder 13:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Is there any more information anywhere else about it? If not then there can't be an article made about the "strategic pork reserve" 68.36.163.67 19:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they would have to be Chinese. It is extremely unlikely anyone outside China would grok the idea. Fred Bauder (talk) 03:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Strategic pork reserve

message: The section on labor shortages and the rising cost of imports is included as a challenge from the Chinese perspective, but is actually a very hopeful sign that Chinese incomes are rising and the Chinese people are starting to share in China's prosperity. It is also good for American workers as a tiny opportunity is being opened permitting increased cost for American products. Continued into the future this trend will lead to much higher incomes for Chinese workers and a much better standard of living and reduction of the flood of cheap Chinese imports into the United States, reducing the relentless pressure currently impacting American manufacturers and workers. Fred Bauder 13:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Challenges

message: Please do not redirect Chinese economy to this page.  Unless you can undoubtedly debate the Chinese triangle that are well adopted by economist.  The PRC economy is not exactly THE Chinese economy.  Benjwong 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:COMMON it is actually the correct thing to do. Place disambiguation links at the top. --Kim D. Petersen 22:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese economy redirect

message: In a little-noticed mid-summer announcement, the Asian Development Bank presented official survey results indicating China’s economy is smaller and poorer than established estimates say. The announcement cited the first authoritative measure of China’s size using purchasing power parity methods. The results tell us that when the World Bank announces its expected PPP data revisions later this year, China’s economy will turn out to be 40 per cent smaller than previously stated.
This more accurate picture of China clarifies why Beijing concentrates so heavily on domestic priorities such as growth, public investment, pollution control and poverty reduction. The number of people in China living below the World Bank’s dollar-a-day poverty line is 300m – three times larger than currently estimated.
Why such a large revision in the estimates of China’s economic condition? Until recently, China had never participated in the careful price surveys needed to convert accurately its gross domestic product into PPP dollars.
The World Bank’s estimates based on summary data from the late 1980s probably overstated China’s PPP gross domestic product even then. Up to now, the bank has revised its estimate very little. In the meantime, China has repeatedly raised the prices of food, housing, healthcare and a range of other non-traded goods and services. These reforms should have lowered the PPP adjustment, but the bank left it basically unchanged.
Last month, Robert Zoellick, World Bank president, argued that the bank should continue to lend to countries such as China, India and Brazil because they still had large shares of the world’s poor.
The new, more accurate statistics describing a smaller, poorer China strengthen this argument. The ADB’s announcement also indicates that the number of dollar-a-day poor in India is closer to 800m than the current estimate of 400m.
These PPP adjustments affect poverty measures because the World Bank’s dollar-a-day poverty line is a PPP dollar poverty line. Reducing PPP consumption estimates drops large numbers of additional households below the poverty line.
For China, the correction needs to be made back to the 1980s and 1990s, when instead of World Bank estimates of roughly 300m people below the dollar-a-day poverty line, the number was more likely more than 500m. China has made enormous strides in lifting its population out of poverty – but the task was perhaps more gargantuan than most people thought and progress has been overstated by bank estimates.
These calculations are not just esoteric academic tweaks. Based on the old estimates, the US Government Accountability Office reported this year that China’s economy in PPP terms would be larger than the US by as early as 2012. Such reports raise alarms in security circles about China’s ability to build a defence establishment to challenge America’s.
Well-informed analysts know that PPP calculations are a poor measure of a country’s potential military base, but with the corrected China PPP statistics, the whole question is moot. China is just not that big now and will not get that big any time soon.
Given uncertainties about China’s political and security evolution, this more moderate picture of China’s economic size is reassuring. It means that the US and other developed nations have more time to engage China and interact with its fledgling institutions. There might be no better place to start than with military-to-military relations.
The immediate international interest, however, is for China to succeed in its still daunting internal development challenges. Such opportunities might be manageable if engagement focused on a needy sub-region such as Sichuan Province, where the US has a flourishing Peace Corps programme. The goal is to promote economic development conducive to political moderation.
Close contact with China’s development process on the ground might also help us understand better the lessons China’s experience might have for so many poor countries where development is stalled.
Finally, both Congress and the Treasury department should recognise the limitations and opportunities revealed by these more accurate data. For example, risks to its impoverished rural hinterland from a sudden large revaluation of its currency loom larger in Beijing’s eyes than in Washington’s. Acknowledging this could smooth negotiations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.110.182.92 (talk) 23:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now with 40% less GDP! 

message: PPP GDP is not used in the business, financial and economic worlds. It is used just by the political
world, and by organizations when they have a political agenda. In this case, the World Bank wants
everyone to believe it is still relevant - hence it redefined the PPP criteria again. There is no
standard way to measure it which is why it doesn't get used in the first place.
Their estimate of 800 million poor for India covers pretty much the whole population.
Ajoykt (talk) 00:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPP numbers 

message: Substituted at 20:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The line "emphasized raising personal income and consumption and introducing new management systems to help increase productivity" is repeated in both the second paragraph of the Introduction and the First paragraph of the 1980-1990 section, is there any real need for this? 81.105.162.252 (talk) 10:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated Text 

message: I've updated some numbers (and added a table) on trade, and will add some more as 2008 data become available. DOR (HK) (talk) 08:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: The lead section for this article is extremely long, even given the size of the rest of the article.  Is there any way someone who's been involved with this article for a while can work on trimming it?  (It's too big a job for me to just jump into.) Politizer talk/contribs 15:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: The article says "China [is now] the world's third-largest trading nation after the U.S. and Germany." I suspect that should be Japan, not Germany. Comments? Maproom (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the WTO's 2007 data, the ranking is US, Germany, China, Japan regardless of whether one is measuring merchandise only or goods and services together. DOR (HK) (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Elsewhere in this article "According to Paula Buckley, China economist Ting Lu, China is projected to overtake Japan in 'three to four years'.[56]" The various economic measures are not familiar to me, so I am going to say no more about it. Maproom (talk) 11:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ting Lu quote refers to GDP, not two-way trade. DOR (HK) (talk) 01:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany or Japan overtaken? 

message: The lead, especially, is horribly long. See Wikipedia:Lead section. About 4 paragraphs tops? -Heilme (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very very long lead and article 

message: I'm going to dump these here, for use another time. Feel free to incorporate into the article if you get to it before I do. Source: China Economic News (No. 9), 9th March, 2009, pp.12-14. Yes, the percent is the movement in the deflator, not in the value / volume of trade.
Some 2008 China trade deflators
:Exports--
Auto-data processing equipment and components (value: US$135 bn): +10.4%
Rolled steel ($63.4 bn): +51.7%
Telephones ($41.5 bn): +3.5%
ICs ($24.3 bn): -13.3%
LCD panels ($22.4 bn): +5.7%
"Imports--
Crude oil ($129.3 bn): +47.8%
ICs ($129.3 bn): -7.8%
Iron ore ($60.5 bn): +54.5%
LCD panels ($44.1 bn): +9.1%
Primary plastics ($34.1 bn): +12.4%
Oil products ($30 bn): +58.9%
Auto-data processing equipment and components ($25.4 bn): +0.7%
Rolled Steel ($23.4 bn): +23.8%
Grain ($23.1 bn): +63.3%
Copper ($19.2 bn): +2.7%
DOR (HK) (talk) 05:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trade prices 

message: I've updated the data, and added some historical data for inflation and the renminbi. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand purchasing power parity right, it refers to the lower prices in China which makes Chinese money go further if purchases are made there. For example, pork, now considered "high" in China still sells for less than a dollar a pound while pork in the US sells for about $2.50 a pound. The quoted figure illustrates the value, expressed in dollars, of how much a yuan will buy in the domestic Chinese market which has generally low prices due to generally low wages. It is a kind of comparison between the market basket a dollar or euro will buy in the US or Europe and the market basket a yuan will buy in China. Fred Talk 14:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your understanding is correct, but an dated PPP rate is worthless. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macroeconomic Trends 

message: I saw the "systemic problem" section exactly similar, word to word, as the introduction section, therefore I decide to remove a small part of the introduction section. Yifanwang99 (talk) 19:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  repetitiveness 

message: China to Surpass Japan to Become 2nd Largest Economy in the world. 
 
 --Lanolamua (talk) 10:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  China to Surpass Japan to Become 2nd Largest Economy 

message: I am pasting the specialized infobox here in case there is any additional information which can be used.  I switched the infobox being used in the article to the more generic,  per the templates for deletion discussion. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old infobox 

message: Help me editing this table please :
GDP growth from 1980 to 2009World Economic Outlook Database, October 2009, International Monetary Fund.
Year	Growth
1980	7.910
1981	5.259
1982	9.015
1983	10.895
1984	15.171
1985	13.472
1986	8.861
1987	11.572
1988	11.267
1989	4.072
1990	3.832
1991	9.200
1992	14.199
1993	14.004
1994	13.097
1995	10.929
1996	9.997
1997	9.299
1998	7.798
1999	7.600
2000	8.403
2001	8.308
2002	9.104
2003	10.003
2004	10.105
2005	10.403
2006	11.606
2007	13.012
2008	9.007
2009	8.504
The table must be on the right and with the title inside.
Thanks. Polylepsis (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help table 

message: This article is very long. I will try to clean up a bit ! Polylepsis (talk) 19:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China_by_GDP_per_capita  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa (talk • contribs) 07:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  add this to "see also" 

message: I have no problem with anyone undertaking to update the figures presented here, but it is generally an excellent idea to discuss proposed changes to the text prior to actually making those changes. I've tried to restore some of the edits of April 22-23, 2010, that (inadvertently or otherwise) changing the meaning of the text. DOR (HK) (talk) 01:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent statistical updates 

message: Really, it should be more of summarization than an in-depth paper on the subject.  142.176.144.158 (talk) 16:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: at 160k it should be split off at least.Lihaas (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is too long 

message: This article is way too long and could use come copyediting to be simplified. Most of the sections have their own subarticles anyways.--Kozuch (talk) 22:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long 

message: I don't know very much about editing wikipedia so please excuse any breach of etiquette that I may have committed. I just wanted to say that the luxury goods section stands out as being particularly poorly written and unencyclopedic. For example, the section stated "Also, the LVMH group, who own major luxury brands including Louis Vuitton apparel, Moet-Chandon wines and champagne and Hennessey cognacs, reported earnings growth of over 25% in 2007 in China alone, the region now accounting for around 16% of their global business." This is very poorly written and 90% irrelevant to the Economy of China. I have already edited "reported earnings growth of over 25% in 2007 in China alone" to remove the "alone" because it implies that LVMH had earnings growth elsewhere, which may or may not be true but is certainly irrelevant to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.127.160 (talk) 12:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luxury Goods 

message: This claim is not true, its not affirmed by anyone other than China. Sure it may have been picked up by other media but solely on chinese cliams. Need to wait for affirmation from int'l bodies on that. (ie- IMF, etc)Lihaas (talk) 14:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, because the IMF is an "international" body (based in USA? your idea of international is pretty narrow)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.54.57 (talk) 15:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Lihaas, you do know, I hope, that the IMF gets its data from . . . National Bureau of Statistics, the People's Bank of China and the Ministry of Commerce. Please, tell me you already knew that ! DOR (HK) (talk) 06:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd largest economy claims 

message: This section is poorly written and footnoted, badly out of date (the National Accounts revisions of 2004 are not even mentioned) and the table makes no sense. There are no units identified (is the 1955 figure Rmb91,000, or Rmb91 billion?) and there is no reason to think the exchange rate to the US dollar last year was 9.67 (what?).
I will delete this entire section, unless there are significant improvements or objections. DOR (HK) (talk) 00:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macroeconomic Trends 

message: descride two ways in which recent economic changes that have led to higher living standards for some chinese people  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.4.178 (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent economic changes 

message: The following figures in the summary table seems to suggest that exports are in the 1-2 billion range. Shouldn't it read 1.506 trillion?
Exports 	US$1.506 billion (2010)
Imports 	US$1.307 billion (2010)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.43.1.25 (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect figures? 

message: China has broken the 110 year streak record of the United States as the world's largest manufacturer.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42065544  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.211.105 (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturer No. 1 

message: Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC). I would like to propose the addition of an external link that could lead directly to the specific country’s trade data held by ITC. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 
1) ITC is part of the United Nations
2) No registration is required
3) Trade data (imports/exports) are regularly updated
4) The link gives direct access to the trade database of the specific country
5) The addition of reliable trade data to the Economy section of the country could provide an appropriate contribution to the information therein contained. 
Thank you for your attention.Divoc (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer primary, rather than secondary (or, in this case, tertiary) sources, as there is less chance of errors being introduced. Hence, each national statistical agency (primary sources) would be preferred over international organizations (secondary sources) such as the World Trade Organization, or sub-sets of the UN/WTO (tertiary sources) like ITC. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ITC external link on trade data 

message: I wonder my quality of life is higher or lower than US if I make a money $1000 per month in China or $12,000 per year118.123.200.135 (talk) 11:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It would depend on which city or rural area you live in. There is no simple answer. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality of life? 

message: I don't have access to the link that supposed to be citation for the 4% unemployment figure given in the article. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a developing nation with 1 billion plus people have only 4% jobless rate. Can someone please verify that figure. Same for the inflation figure given in the fact box, it contract much higher figures given in the main article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.8.86.41 (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unemployment 

message: What i have gotten from this page is that no one looks at china's unstable nature
for example chinese inflation has hardly even slowed down despite rapid and often rash changes to the interest
thus china is essentially dead in the water and merely doomed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.169.226 (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  MAJOR ISSUE 

message: China's Innovation Wall; Beijing's Push for Homegrown Technology by Adam Segal Foreign Affairs September 28, 2010
99.19.44.155 (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  potential resource 

message: The graph showing GDP growth over time is misleading. GDP growth is a type of exponential growth, and it being linear means you can make the time it 'takes off' look like any time you want by changing the vertical scale. Consider what the graph looks like in logs:
http://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=log&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:CHN&ifdim=country&tstart=-314236800000&tend=1263686400000&hl=en&dl=en&q=china+gdp
There is hardly a change in gradient at all at the supposed take-off point (in a log GDP graph, the gradient is the growth rate)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrampaScience (talk • contribs) 07:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading graph 

message: I think the entire section should be deleted because the overview section should be limited to the one paragraph on top.  Helps reduce the length.
Notthepersoninthearticle (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we get rid of the overview section? 

message: I don't think it's over 7 trillion.  i just checked CIA factbook, and it says 6.991 trillion for GDP. I also checked the GDP page of wiki, and it says 7 trillion under CIA estimate, so which one to take?  I say underestimating is usually better.
CIA China page in the Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.11.67 (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP? 

message: No, not editors' opinions; rather, footnoted opinions. Basically, this article is too long, so in my view -- I seek your support or opposition, please -- this is unhelpful:  . On June 18, 2010 a US government advisor stated that China could become the worlds largest economy by 2020.< ref>http://www.cnbc.com/id/37769361</ ref>  DOR (HK) (talk) 13:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary opinion 

message: See . This section is almost exclusively a poorly written summary of this poorly written article in an student journal: . It has many dubious statements (like that the Chengdu J-20 is considered superior to the F-22), OR, and unclear statements. As such I have removed it. Acadēmica Orientālis (talk) 04:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section "‎Noopolitik and the Knowledge Economy" 

message: This article seems to be written from a rather anti-Communist, pro-Capitalist point of view at many times.  What's more, many of the statments need more references, as the listed ones are not nearly neutral enough to stand on their own in many cases...
Works of Sweat (talk) 15:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: This article mentions labor shortages and unemployment, high effectiveness of the population control programs and failing effectiveness of the population control programs in almost the same breath.  There are some clear inconsistancies in this article, and almost all of them take a negative view of China's prospects...
There are also some highly inconsistant parts about the use of commodities normally used to produce animal feed being used to produce fuel driving UP the cost of fuel (this would actually drive DOWN the cost of fuel) *possibly* showing more of the same attempts of anti-biofuel trolls attempting to paint the worst possible picture of biofuels, even if this means making illogical and inconsistent statements about the effects of biofuel production (or possibly just showing a lack of understanding on the part of the writers of these inconsistent statements).
Works of Sweat (talk) 16:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsitancies 

message: Can someone add yearly figures on china's economic growth? I think that would be interesting. (LAz17 (talk) 03:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  yearly figures 

message: One statistic has China breathing down on the US. ready to over take it. The other statistic shows that China shouldn't even be considered as any economic threat to the US. A difference of 10 trillion dollars is fairly large, no? What should be the standard economic measurement?
-G
The standard (generally more reliable) economic measurement would be PPP; in other words, the statistic where 'China is breathing down on the US'. Nominal terms refers to the Chinese statistic when converted to US dollars. However, given that the Chinese currency is almost certainly badly undervalued, measuring in nominal terms will definitely undervalue the economy as a whole. PPP, on the other hand, measures in 'real terms'.
Both forms of measurement have their flaws, so I would suggest keeping both.
118.167.233.204 (talk) 05:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no sound reason why the "standard economic measurement" should be PPP rather than bricks, bales or bucks. Indeed, as PPP is an artifical exchange rate created to provide an artificial international comparison, it is quite arguably less useful than market exchange rates. Anyone wishing to give me a single market exchange rates dollars for any number of PPP dollars will have a willing partner with whom to transact. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPP, Nominal 

message: From Talk:China ... The rise of an economic superpower: What does China want? "As an economic superpower, what does China want on the global stage?" by Peter Ford, csmonitor.com November 5, 2011
See Chinese Century.
99.181.147.59 (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  resource 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: page moved.  I have moved the disambiguation to Economy of China (disambiguation) for now. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 01:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Economy of the People's Republic of China →  – People's Republic of China has been moved to China. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The dab's function can be assumed by a hatnote for Economy of Taiwan, but I don't see the point of either a dab or a hatnote. Taiwan is (arguably) part of China, and Britain is part of Europe, but no one would use the praise "Economy of China" or "Economy of Europe" to mean "Economy of Taiwan" or "Economy of Britain". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you are clearly forgetting that the formal name for Taiwan is "Republic of China", so clearly "Economy of China" can be used to refer to it. And per One China, both the PRC and ROC economies together can be considered the "Economy of China". Britain is not part of Europe as Taiwan is part of China, because China has two national governments, one based in Beijing, which controls the mainland, and one based in Taipei which controls Taiwan. Further, the economy of the PRC is not the only topic that the economy of China can refer to, it can refer to the economy of China for any period of Chinese history, so can also be disambiguated by period of history. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 06:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've made my point for me. From the One China POV, there is not one China and and one Taiwan. There is Taiwan, it is a part of China, and Britain is a part of Europe. Your confusing the Republic of China with Taiwan. Agan from the One China POV, both the PRC and the ROC claim to be the government of China, but Taiwan is not China, it is a vary small part of China. No one, form any POV, would use "Economy of China" to refer to the Economy of Taiwan, it'd be like saying "Economy of the United States" to refer to the Economy of Rhode Island. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article "Economy of the People's Republic of China" does not cover the whole of the territory of One China, only part of it, which makes my point, your move makes it cover one region of the entity called China, but you would remove the hatnote and disambiguation page pointing to the other Two Chinas part. There should be a disambiguation page, where I said it would be located, Economy of China (disambiguation). -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Also neater Economy of India, nor (probably) any other country/territory article is disambiguated by period of history. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why a disambiguation page should exist for China, since it has multiple articles on economies of various regions called "China" in the modern day, and multiple articles on the economies of historic Chinas. And why I suggested the disambiguation page be called "(disambiguation)" -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Emmette is right; this is a poor rationale. Economy of the United States and Economy of Canada don't discuss the economic practices of those nations' indigenous peoples (likewise with Australia and NZ). There are many similar examples. --BDD (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not opposing the move, I'm opposing the removal of the disambiguation notes (either as a disambigation page or as a hatnote) Emmette is proposing to delete disambiguation completely. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's debatable and disputed weather Taiwan is part of China. It's also debatable and disputed weather Turkey, Georgia, etc. are pare of Europe, but Economy of Europe does not have a hatnotes for Economy of Turkey, Economy of Georgia (country), etc. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not disputed that "Republic of China" is the formal name of Taiwan, so your analogy fails. Turkey is not called "Republic of Europe", Georgia is not called "People's Republic of Europe". -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I would love to see a Wiki project map out the global economy. In an organized format all local/country economic data would be collected. All authors would be required to write articles according to a standardized and cited format. The model revolves around publicly released economic data: GDP, employment, industries, corporations, fiscal policy, etc. Economists and volunteers can help determine which economic data accounts are most appropriate to be required under the standardized format.
There is nothing in the world that resembles this model. There is no Wiki that allows economists to add economic data under a standardized format.
I have already written the article for 'Economy of the United States'. It is 7 pages long. This article contains what I believe is the most important economic data available to the public. The data is almost entirely in table format. Citations include the U.S. Census Bureau, the World Bank, Bureau of Economic Analysis, Yahoo Finance, CNN'S Money's Fortune 500 list, U.S. treasury releases, Federal Reserve websites, company SEC filings and the IMF. The article can be seen in PDF format at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Economy.pdf
The Contents are: 1. States, 2. Industries, 3. Corporations, 4. Employment, 5. Fiscal Budget, 6. Monetary Policy, 7. Creditors, 8. Cities, 9. International Accounts 9. History
All articles would be standardized and connected in an organized network. This model would go down to the most local level. All 196 countries would have a standardized country article to have the same exact format used in the attached file. This project would evolve as economists determine better ways to present the data.
The 'Economy of ______' pages would be a very educational collection of economic data. I think that these articles would be greatly improved if they were modified to become uniform. This would allow for greater comparability. I believe that these pages would be improved with a standardized and simplified format. This would allow for greater comparability and public understanding of the economy and fiscal budgets.
Below are the Wikipedia Contents of the four biggest economy articles. As you can see, the Contents are inconsistent between them. I believe this can be fixed with my Wiki project proposal.
1. Economy of the United States 1 History 2 Overview 3 Employment 4 Research, development, and entrepreneurship 5 Income and wealth 6 Financial position 7 Industry Sectors 8 Notable companies and markets 9 Energy, transportation, and telecommunications 10 Finance 11 Health care 12 International trade 13 Currency and central bank 14 Law and government 15 See also 16 References 17 External links
2. Economy of China 1 History 2 Government role 3 Regional economies 4 Development 5 Macroeconomic trends 6 Financial and banking system 7 Industry Sectors 8 Labor and welfare 9 External trade 10 Foreign investment 11 Demographics 12 Transportation and infrastructure 13 Science and technology 14 See also 15 References 16 External links
3. Economy of Japan 1 Economic history 2 Infrastructure 3 Macro-economic trend 4 Services 5 Industry 6 Mining and petroleum exploration 7 Agriculture 8 Labor force 9 Law and government 10 Culture 11 Other economic indicators 12 See also 13 Notes 14 External links
4. Economy of Germany 1 History 2 Macroeconomic data 3 Economic region 4 Natural resources 5 Sectors 6 Infrastructure 7 Technology 8 See also 9 References 10 External links  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcnabber091 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: Is anybody interested to help me finish this report? I still need to find the governement budget, central bank balance sheet and employment statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/sandbox
Here is a finished economic report on the U.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States
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thread_title:  China Economic Report 

message: What is the point of this set of data? Even at market exchange rates -- PPP is for consumer goods -- it makes little sense except to point to the obvious large population. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP per capita by industries 

message: With China's new currency swap with the European Union taking effect soon, I thought its time to create an article on the internationalization of the renminbi. My question is whether this is important enough to deserve a mention in the article's introductory section, or should we leave it to the main text instead? -A1candidate (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Internationalization of the renminbi]] 

message: Various people express the view that Chinese economy to some extent is a bubble, and that there is overinvestment or as some say malinvestment. Especially mentioned are examples of a real estate market, for example whole newly built cities that stay empty, also empty skyscrapers etc. I heard in one documentary that there are estimates that some dozen or so percent of newly build real estate expanse remains unused. I think there should be some mention in the article about opinions that Chinese growth has been a bubble to some extent.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.26.211.220 (talk) 22:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention about possible bubble / wrong investments 

message: I think it would be a great idea to include a section on the impact China's economic expansion is having on the environment. This is especially germane given President Xi Jinping's recent agreement to combat climate change with the United States. 1993ke (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate Change 

message: Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC156|China&source=1|ITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by China. Visitors can easily look up market access information for China by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 
1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good
2) No registration is required to access this information
3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you,
Divoc (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This link still works. I'm not sure it belongs in this article, but I'll add it where appropriate, perhaps international trade or tariff? User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:58, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The intro states "At the start of the 2010s, China became the sole Asian nation to have a GDP (PPP) above the $10-trillion mark (along with the United States and the European Union)"
I understand that this was probably written to mean that China, the EU and USA all have a GDP above $10 trillion. But I think it might actually imply that the US and EU are in Asia (which they obviously aren't).
Is my interpretation of this grammar correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.232.55 (talk) 10:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some ambiguity, even to a native English speaker; however, everyone knows that the US and the EU are not in Asia, so no harm done. Placement at the end of the sentence and in parentheses lessens any ambiguity. You may try to craft a better, but, please, short and simple, alternative. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU and US are not in Asia 

message: See Economy of China#Stock market. This may be a major event, or not. However, its basic structure is quite similar to the Wall Street Crash of 1929. User:Fred Bauder Talk 08:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock market crash 

message: According to the media the Chinese economy is slowing, but it is not clear what is meant. Slowing rate of growth is not a slowing economy. A source that explains what is happening in plain language would be helpful. User:Fred Bauder Talk 08:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slowing of the economy 

message: This might have some value. User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nation 

message: Currently the article's Statistics table shows GDP (PPP) data for 2011, which is estimate by IMF. A rather poor estimate because it was made back in September 2011. Is it normal? I've tried to revert it back to final 2010 data, but my changes get reverted back to that 2010 estimate values.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enivid (talk • contribs) 09:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Better would be to do away with the silly PPP exchange rate as a means of defining the size of the total economy. Considering that no one will sell anything for a billion units of PPP, that means that the only reasonable thing to do is to take foreign trade out of the economy . . . which means it wouldn't be GDP. And, since PPP is a consumer buying power measure, it would also be useful to take out capital investment . . . which makes the entire point of looking at the size of the economy moot. But, Wikipedians are addicted to easy sources such as the CIA Fact Book, and can't be bothered with hard data. Sad. DOR (HK) (talk) 09:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP  (PPP) Estimates 

message: The top of this article now says that "the method used to estimate [China's PPP] has been deemed unreliable" and links to a business article citing one person, Michael Pettis. IMO, this is the personal opinion of one person, and should be treated as such. I don't see how it automatically overrides the entire World Bank, which spent nearly a decade working on its PPP estimates. I am changing the wording slightly to better reflect the existence of disagreement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.27.37 (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this statement should be removed or moved to following sections. The possible controversy is mainly about the calculation method of purchasing power parity. It is frequently mentioned when discussing the accuracy and reliability of PPP, but not relevant enough to be included in the lead section of this article. --E8xE8 (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, also the IMF itself has said that these are not official statistics. And until an argument as to why they should be printed on the page has official statistics, it should not be on the page as it is misleading and presents a false conclusion. Until the IMF releases its annual official report, it will stay according to the official reports that other economic pages report to. It seems that the general consensus agrees that it does not belong on the main page.  --Sciophobiaranger (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The estimate report by IMF is still an official IMF estimate report. I don't see any authoritative source saying that there are problems with the data of the report. The majority of economists do agree with the conclusions of the IMF estimate report. Unless you can quote me multiple authoritative reports that rejects the data and conclusions of the Oct IMF estimate report, I consider that the data in that official report can be used on this page. I am reverting the edit as there is no consensus on this issue. The idea that the Oct IMF estimate report is unreliable and cannot be used or sourced is a fringe view, it is by no means a majority view.101.127.17.153 (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  China PPP estimate 

message: Is this original research? I was not aware that international organizations made such calculations for sub-national economies.DOR (HK) (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Provincial PPP stats 

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message: How long are we going to have this childish back-and-forth over GDP and GDP per capita figures? I thought it was absurd to be citing 2016 data when the year is barely half over (official data won't be out until about March 2017). But, to be arguing over the levels of a year that hasn't even ended is just plain silly.DOR (HK) (talk) 08:27, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: There is two links to China portal. 203.173.179.241 (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: This article is no longer Semi-Protected, so you can now edit the article yourself, but please ensure that any additions are properly sourced, to reliable sources and you maintain a neutral point of view - Arjayay (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two links to China portal 

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message: What are these indicating? In particular, the green down arrow ("positive decrease") seems to be a value judgement. Who made that judgement? DOR (HK) (talk) 13:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Is there some reason why a growth rate that has not been released is listed in the info box? DOR (HK) (talk) 10:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2017 GDP growth rate 

message: My edit was not 'arbitrary'. If template states that the article is written in BrE then why, in fact, it isn't? I know that this is minor but it's just weird. Please, either remove this template or make the article follow one spelling style. --178.69.223.30 (talk) 10:33, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  BrE template. 

message: First, this is a terrible section title as it doesn’t recognize the serious issue of “under” claiming results in inflation and unemployment. It would be better titled “Data quality issues.”
Second, when did Wilber Ross become a China economic analyst? The man is Secretary of Commerce, and a businessman with minimal (if any) experience analyzing the Chinese economy. DOR (HK) (talk) 09:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Overclaiming” 

message: As it stands my point of view is that your constant removal of these sources is uncalled for and unhelpful to the reader.  Please explain your reasoning and hopefully we can reach an agreement.
Analysts are listed below which expressly mention figures that make up the GDP (retail, manufacturing etc) are off by 50% or more either by directly referencing to the specific figure or pointing to the total GDP which comprises of the figures.
"My conclusion was that the real retail market at that time was half the value of the official government figure," he says. (BBC Matthew Crabbe)
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the growth in old China for the past year or so has been somewhere around zero — it's nothing like 6.8 percent," Straszheim said.
The business leaders I speak to invariably say 'I don't know whether China is growing at 4 percent, or 5 percent, or 6 percent. I really don't know despite having extensive business there,'" he told CNBC (Straszheim CNBC)
Scissors puts the GDP figure at less than 4 percent: Much lower than China says, but higher than the no-growth implications from external indicators like import demand or money flight. (CNBC)
Billionaire distressed asset investor Wilbur Ross, meanwhile, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" that he sees China's actual growth at about 4 percent on a similar basket of metrics. (CNBC)
Our estimate is growth probably about 3.5 percent versus roughly 7," said Gary Shilling, president of economic research firm A. Gary Shilling and Co. (CNBC)
 Zvtok (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Zvtok,
As I have said on several occasion, read the references. They don’t say what you think they say.
Matthew Crabbe, BBC:  “But with a population of 1.36 billion people, China really should be the world's largest economy, argues Matthew Crabbe, author of Myth-Busting China's Numbers. He's spent more than 20 years looking at the country's figures and the facts behind them. 
His reaction to China's new title: "So what?"
He points out that if you look at per capita spending power - the value of all goods and services produced within a nation in a given year divided by the average population for the same year - then, even adjusted for PPP, China ($11,868) is still lagging a long way behind not only the United States ($53,001) but also the likes of Turkmenistan ($12,863) and Suriname ($16,080).”
Notice Crabbe is talking about PPP . . . which is not the subject of this paragraph. PPP has nothing whatsoever to do with accuracy, understating, 'over claiming' or revising data. Each time you reinsert it into the article, the article becomes misleading. That’s vandalism.
Stop it. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Zvtok, now you're just being childishly stubborn. You accept that I said CNBC and BBC are credible, but didn't seem to have read the part about the actual person making the comment. Please find some shred of evidence that Professor Shilling has any degree of experience as a China-focused macro economist, and then prove that his 2014 perspective somehow is more valid than my 2017 source . . . by seasoned China-focused scholars.DOR (HK) (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute resolution - Dor HK (Hong Kong?)  

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message: The final intro para is superfluous and very non-NPOV, and therefore I think the article is better and more concise without this paragraph. 
All the information, and many of the sentences in this paragraph were copied directly from the "Issues with overclaiming" subsection. While the information is indeed sourced, the fact that this paragraph hardly includes any information from the recently-expanded "Issues with underestimating" makes it very non-NPOV. If you look at the "Issues with underestimating" section, it too contains sourced information, from primarily US government sources and US-based non-profit institutions like the National Bureau of Economic Research.
To make the intro paragraph NPOV, we could copy even more information from the "Issues with underestimating" section, but this would make the para even longer and even more superfluous. Since we have two whole (and recently expanded) subsections dedicated solely to the topic of data accuracy, I feel that the introduction is more concise and less superfluous without this intro paragraph. Removing this paragraph does not, in fact, remove any sourced information from this article. All the information is present in two dedicated subsections. Akshaysmit (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copying of information from "Issues with overclaiming" into the intro 

message: Even with copy pasting the issues of goverment data on GDP, the whole lead reads like a CCP add. Belevalo (talk) 03:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: it reads nothing like either. And funny that you came to defend the lead, since you made it into the leafletBelevalo (talk) 01:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

text: obvious sockpuppet IP. Belevalo (talk) 13:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead reads like a CCP leaflet 

message: @Akshaysmit, what is your rationale for this revert? Thanks, intforce (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its common knowledge that Chinese government economic figures are to be taken with a grain of salt, if you have a source which says otherwise this would be the time to provide it. Seem like it would be ok to mention it multiple places, although I agree we could trim the part you removed a bit I’m not sure I can support removing it entirely. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly we have sources that claim China's GDP numbers are overstated, as is well-documented in the "Issues with overclaiming" subsection. I'll provide some sources that claim the other way. One source from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco (https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2013/march/reliability-chinese-output-figures/) claimed that "Importantly, these models suggest that Chinese growth has been in the ballpark of what official data have reported. We find no evidence that recently reported Chinese GDP figures are less reliable than usual.". This source also examined China's GDP numbers with trade data from China's trading partners over a 12-year period and claimed that the official growth figures were consistent with import-export data from China's top trading partners. Another source by the National Bureau of Economic Research, a Nobel prize-winning US nonprofit, wrote a paper in 2017 (https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23323/w23323.pdf) claiming that "Our computations of Chinese growth based on optimal weightings of various combinations of economic indicators provide evidence against the hypothesis that the Chinese economy contracted precipitously in late 2015, and are consistent with the rate of Chinese growth being higher than is reported in the official statistics." So there are reliable sources that make claims in both directions. Thanks, Akshaysmit (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I will add one more since this 2015 book by the Center for Strategic and International Studies was quite extensive (https://www.csis.org/analysis/broken-abacus). In their Key Quantitative Findings, the authors state that "China is bigger, not smaller: Our reassessment suggests that China's 2008 GDP was most likely 13.1 to 16.3 percent larger than official figures indicated at the time". They also state that "China's 2013 GDP is more accurately stated at $10.5 trillion, rather than the official $9.5 trillion". Akshaysmit (talk) 18:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed numbers 

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message: The underlying source for "State-owned enterprises accounted for over 60% of China's market capitalization in 2019[29]" does not claim that SOEs account for 60%+ of China's market capitalization. Rather, it states that 60%+ of the China large-cap index by weight are SOEs. Huge difference here. The included source is here: https://insight.factset.com/investing-in-chinese-state-owned-enterprises. Maybe also worth mentioning that other sources, incl. from the World Bank, estimate SOEs account for ~25% of China GDP (source: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/32306). Worth discussing.
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thread_title:  SOE Market Capitalization Source is Misrepresented 

message: The top of the article is mostly current but the further you scroll down the more out of date everything is, often with just a paragraph of more recent data tacked on the end.  Seriously, scroll down and look at the years that pop out at you, once you're just a little way down you find most sections are talking about 2010-2016 as if its the present.  Adding a single sentence or paragraph of more up to date information isn't really cutting it and a lot of sections aren't even managing that!  A lot of this article is increasingly irrelevant as it gets many years or even a decade or more out of date. If we can't keep these sections relevant and up to date maybe they should be drastically cut back or deleted entirely?   Hammerfrog (talk) 12:01, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: While I support keeping data up-to-date, it takes a lot of time. If the objective is a beautiful Wikipedia entry, then cutting anything not updated might make sense. But, the objective is a useful entry, and even an old citation might point users to where to find more current data. DOR (HK) (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of this article is quite of out date