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message: I'm not convinced that the 'Controversies' section helps the article; it pulls anything arbitrarily considered 'controversial' (though only from his Speaker career - controversies from his MP career are in the Political Career section) out into a completely different section of the article from anything else he was doing at the time.  I'd have thought it would be more sensible to put the article basically into chronological order and merge in the controversies when they happened, with appropriate headings.
Any objections?  TSP (talk) 17:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies section 

message: Please, explain why Bercow's possible retiring would happen in the summer of 2018 instead of 2019. As I said in the reversion summary,
Until so, I'll be reverting these edits. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 12:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying to avoid edit war  

message: I am tagging this page because the lead is supposed to have four paragraphs at maximum. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead to long

message: " ... was rumoured to be likely to defect to the Labour Party." Unsourced(!) rumours(!!) in the lead section(!!!). Are we kidding?  188.218.87.79 (talk) 15:08, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, now I see, it's the BBC that's spreading rumours. Hahaha ... Great. 188.218.87.79 (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Rumours

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message: The fifth para of the lead refers to Bercow serving "under" four Prime Ministers.  Is that correct?  I would not have thought he serves "under" them - though clearly his tenure has overlapped with four PMs.  What is the correct wording to use?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it's wrong. I can't think what the right wording would be. Anyone? MPS1992 (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

text: The wording was changed to "alongside..." last month.    Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serving "under" PM? 

message: In reference to:
"In his youth, Bercow had been ranked Britain's No. 1 junior tennis player, but came down with bronchial asthma and was unable to pursue a professional career.[15][16]"
Citations do not appear to support this.
Citation [15] suggests that Bercow was "too wee to compete as an adult" and "would never have been more than a good club player..."
This seems likely - Google lists Bercow's height as 1.68m which equates to approximately 5ft 6inches.
Citation [16] links to a private YouTube video.
There are various claims online that Bercow was "Britain's number one junior tennis player" but are there any official records to substantiate this?
As a novice Wikipedian, I am just getting to grips with the platform and reluctant to edit the article, therefore seeking guidance from those more experienced please.
Sierraechoromeo (talk) 15:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life and education - Tennis record 

message: Hey all. I have some reservations about how this article is structured, it is highly fragmented; it's broken up into more sections than necessary - I think, at least, wondering what others feel. I drafted different restructured edits myself, but decided it's probably best to seek consensus as to how to approach it in the first place. The 'Political career' super-section: now, should it even be called that. The speakership is a part of his political career, no? How about Frontbench career? Conservative career? Anyway, consists of a lot of section that are only a few sentences. Would it be reasonable to absorb them into just three or four sections? The super-section on his speakership, I'm not even sure it should be first-term-second-term-third-term, or have these sub-sub-sections of a few paragraphs. Maybe it should be flatted into topical sections (Election, Brexit, etc). Just some thoughts, would be great if anyone has better ideas. Thanks. Derick1259 (talk) 20:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have clear ideas on it, it's best you just go ahead and then see what people think. Hopefully we won't all decide your ideas are crazy and thus waste the work you do. From what you say, your ideas sound sensible to me. MPS1992 (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe work on the changes in your sandbox (which you can find using the button at the top right) and we can comment on them there? Bellowhead678 (talk) 22:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alright, thanks for the tips, will look into it. Derick1259 (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructure of article? 

message: This blog [] shows a depiction of Bercow's arms which includes the crest. Unfortunately there's still no blazon. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Crest remains wrong despite  ample access to a correct version. 00:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record - in case it is not clear - someone with appropriate skills is going to have to edit or redesign the SVG image of the crest that is presently in the article; one cannot directly lift an image from any those links, they are covered by copyright. The delay for a correct version is forgivable. JAYFAX (talk) 07:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Crest

message: Couldn't help but notice, the "Professor" part after "The Right Honourable" seems to be getting repeatedly added and removed. What is the reasoning behind those changes? It seems that the title would still be applicable unless circumstances have changed.
[Kristina B.] / Kristina0 05:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Professor" is an academic post not an honorific. Frank and Andrew ,for example, never had this added to their infoboxes. Bercow doesn't even need a trim. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:11, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I hardly think that one addition, and one removal, not subsequently challenged, counts as an "edit war"!   Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit wars over the "Professor" part in the infobox? 

message: Why are we listing Prime Ministers in the info box on pages about Speakers? The PM is an unconnected office? Littlemonday (talk) 13:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely disagree. Infoboxes should be concise but these offices are connected by centuries of convention. Alex (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  And what convention links the Speaker of the Commons to the PM of the day? Littlemonday (talk) 10:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: State opening, loyal address and prorogation to name a few. Alex (talk) 05:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why we list the Monarch on speaker's pages. It would be more logical to list the Parliament's (in this case) as 54-55-56-57 but I understand that would look ugley in an info box, I genuenly don't see why we include the speaker here. The Speaker is neither appointed by or answerable to the Prime Minister. If they were there would be an argument to list speakers in PM's info boxes but no one is suggesting that. Littlemonday (talk) 20:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The initial question was of whether they are connected offices they are, regardless of who is accountable to who. Alex (talk) 15:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  PMs in info box 

message: Should "Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead" be included in the infobox? 
In modern times, it's purely used as legal fiction and other MPs who have resigned in a Parliament, like Heidi Alexander and David Cameron, don't have it in their infoboxes.
FollowTheTortoise (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Its inclusion is inoffensive but unnecessary and confusing. Alex (talk) 15:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  FollowTheTortoise (talk) 07:12, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead 

message: It has been revealed police attended Bercow's house over a domestic incident and an allegation of common assault, having been called by his wife Sally. This happened in August of last year. This is a sort of an add-on to the bullying allegations, but I am not sure it is due: no charges were brought, no arrest. It has been picked up by The Times. Would welcome some comments. Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think per WP:NOTNEWS we should be including that sort of thing.  It's very much a judgement call but given this was in August and only raised now, why the rush? WCMemail 14:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic 

message: Is this really worth mentioning? Less than 1300 ballots is a tiny fraction of the total. WP:TRIVIA, surely? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilt votes in the 2015 election