Talk:Desperado

message: I tried to edit this page (song by Eagles --> song by the [Eagles]), but it was reverted with the argument that the band name is Eagles, not The Eagles. Correct, and that is why "the" should not be capitalized. I have no idea how the wiki-community determines these things, but I've studied decision making in social organizations and this appears to be a rather silly result of it. It appears fairly obvious that "the" can be used not as part of the name, but to make a sentence grammatically correct. I would argue that having correct grammar in an encyclopedia is of some importance. There are tons of these bands: Ramones is another. Yet people would often say they like "the Ramones and The Beatles". This is even seen in the article by the Eagles. "The" is used simply to make it correct. Furthermore: The argument that another song is not notable hardly works. There are a lot of less notable songs with articles on wikipedia and if consistency was an issue, then those should be deleted too (try searching for Michelle by the Beatles for example. You'll find a Guns n' Roses song that wasn't a single and is hardly all that notable). My argument would be that any Bob Dylan song on Blonde On Blonde or any song on albums considered classics are notable, however, given the fact that the album is notable. If an album is notable for inspiring numerous later bands, or it constantly figures among the best albums ever, then the content of an album should be notable simply because an album is (at least somehow) the sum of its parts.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.110.109 (talk) 15:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "experts" whom maintain Eagles articles use "Eagles", which is why it says that here. (This is consistency). If you have an issue with this particular band name in this context, take it up on that page, and if it changes there, then it changes here (not the other way around). Also, The Beatles have "The" as part of their name because that's what they call themselves and is on their album art. In contrast, check out this album art. If your are interested in the inner workings for music on wikipedia and how/if/why things are notable, check out Wikipedia:Notability (music). It may clear up some of your questions. +mt 16:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the "experts" that the name is Eagles, but that hardly means that they cannot be called the Eagles, it only means they are simply not The Eagles. They also write "the Eagles" in that article when that is appropriate, although some people has misunderstood it and write sentences like "Eagles is an American rock band...". I searched the article for "the Eagles" anyway and found 19 results matching in the first half of the article only. Note also that the "experts" at the Ramones article had the same discussion and their conclusion was the same as mine. Note that is says "The Ramones was an...". It illustrates how the band was named Ramones, but the article must be used in English grammar. Even the Eagles experts can't change that. For that reason, "Desperado" is a song by the Eagles. Fix it if you want to. Also thanks for the link to the notability. I don't think whoever made those guidelines made the right decision, but that's also a problem with Wikipedia: things that are first established (not necessarily by the right people) are rarely changed. If you reply, is there any way to see how many times wiki pages are opened?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.110.109 (talk) 17:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll admit, my instinct is toward "the Eagles" too, but I've been reluctant to use this because the article by Eagles "experts" explicitly doesn't use "the Eagles". These are guidelines, so go ahead and add a harmless "the" if you think it will help the usability in finding it. Re: "how many times wiki pages are opened" .. like page hit statistics? Try http://stats.grok.se/ You can also see the history to see who is doing what to the page, and how frequently it is modified. +mt 18:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. I wanted to see if this existed for a while. I'll add "the" so it's a song by the Eagles, because I'm convinced that avoiding the article is not the point of those "experts" (since they use it on that site). I still also believe English grammar should beat Eagles experts. I may also raise the question on that article at some point. By the way, here is the short discussion about the Ramones name: Talk:Ramones#Band_Name 84.215.110.109 (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eagles 

message: Is it worth having another disambig page for Desperados? (Emperor 17:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I've merged them. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: "Desperado (heavy metal group), a heavy metal band, formed by the Eagles."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.18.21 (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formed BY the eagles or named after their song? 

message: I thought that the word carried overtones of desperation, that a desperado was a hopeless man with nothing to lose, and so he might do anything at all at any moment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 (talk) 17:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish cognate of "desperate?" 

message: The correct Spanish word "desesperado" means desperate.  The common anglicism "desperado" is as noted in the article an archaic form, no longer used.98.170.196.173 (talk) 01:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish meaning 

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