Talk:Haflinger

message: Wait a sec -- aren't they considered ponies? I know ponies are horses, but, when speaking, it is more proper to call them ponies, is it not?
RebDrummer61alalala![00:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pony or Horse?

message: Is it worth mentioning that there is a major breeding centre at Obergurgl in Austria, owned by a major landowner in that town. The owner of the centre also owns the Hotel Eidelweiss & Gurgl, the largest in the town; as well a numerous other buildings. I'm sure that all of this information will be sourcable. TheTrojanHought (talk) 22:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tricky because of that line between information and commercial promotion.  For example, Claiborne Farm has an article in wikipedia and is a Thoroughbred breeding farm of considerable significance, but it is not at all mentioned in the article Thoroughbred, not should it be (once you start laundry lists of breeders, it never ends and EVERYONE thinks their farm is significant).  On the other hand, a major center of Lipizzan breeding is the Austrian state stud at Piber, which IS mentioned in that article. Personally I wouldn't do it here, but I suppose Haflinger breeders could weigh in on the issue.  If this was the source of breeding stock and been around for 500 years or something...maybe...  Montanabw(talk) 00:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've mentioned it in the Obergurgl article as I suppose it is more relevant, esp as the owners (the Screiber family) pretty much own the town. By this I mean that they own some of the hotels and several other buildings etc, and as Obergurgl relies on tourism then it has a big influence.  TheTrojanHought (talk) 11:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Breeding Centre

message: I have to say that I am sort of concerned that a head shot, however beautiful, was swapped out for the body shot, however much junk was in the background.  It may be that you're going for FA, but still,  there is now NO full body shot of an untacked Haflinger in the whole article to show what the breed type is.  I'm also a bit concerned that the photos there are not entirely representative of what they do, as they really aren't exactly Olympic Show Jumpers, etc...the one jumping photo is nice, but I think there are now too many head shots and two jumping shots is overkill.  I am now acutely aware of the problems with licensing, but ask Kersti over at commons to find stuff on Flickr, she seems to be a genius at it.  Montanabw(talk) 06:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The current image situation isn't permanent. Both of the photos I removed (actually my two favorites, blah) have licensing issues, they were beautiful shots. For the head and neck shot I'm waiting on a reply from the uploader, and then I'll either put it back in or tag the image for deletion. Kersti (who uploaded the action shot) may be good at finding images, but she sucks at getting proper licensing - several of the ones I've had to remove from articles at FA have been hers, mostly because there's no evidence that the "original uploader" is also the photographer, and she hasn't been responding to tags or requests for additional information. I plan to do some searching on Flickr and other sites, and will definitely be replacing at least one jumping shot and one head shot. At the moment, however, I just want to get a feel for how many images I'll need, and I want to have images in there with proper licensing so I can change them out as I want to, not as someone tells me the copyright is bad. Having to replace a bunch just prior to an FA drive (a la Horse) isn't really that much fun, so I'd rather have good copyrights in there right now and replace as I find better photos. Dana boomer (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, one thing I've noticed is that if you upload images properly from Flickr, the info posted on the Flickr page goes directly into the  Commons page, not sure if Kersti did this, but I haven't had any trouble with that method and it seems to have a bot or something.  If the link to the Flickr page is good, may be worth trying to re-upload the image with a different name using Common's Flickr upload tool.  If the license isn't right on Flickr, the upload tool won't let you upload the image with it...Not sure if I'm making any sense here...but I've uploaded several Flickr images that way and while I suppose if the Flickr uploader wasn't the original author, then we do have problems, but otherwise, I think it works. I used it for several of the Budweiser Clydesdale images I had found.   Montanabw(talk) 22:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know about the Flickr thing - there's even a bot now that will do all of the license choosing and stuff for you, which I've used a couple of times. The images of Kersti's that are an issue are mainly the ones that she brought in from other wikis, apparently without checking that the uploader had the right to release copyright. Anyways, I've replaced one of the jumping images so far, and will do more work on it as I add more information. Still have 2/3 of the book left that I'm working on right now, and one book that looks specifically at the breed in N. America waiting to come in through ILL right now. So we'll see how the article turns out. It'll probably still be a month or more before the article goes to FAC, and that's assuming I can find another copyeditor if Malleus doesn't come back full time. Dana boomer (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo swap 

message: Dana, I missed this earlier, but in most of the breed articles, we do breed characteristics before history.  There are probably good arguments both ways, but I think the underlying reasoning was to say what they looked like before their history, and then the "uses" section comes after history because it dovetails so often with a "the breed today" type of historical wrapup.   See, in particular, Thoroughbred, where the history is pretty long and characteristics come first. No skin off my nose either way, but just thought I'd note it. Your call.  I also did some other minor copyediting, hope it was helpful. Montanabw(talk) 22:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, done; I always forget that part. Dana boomer (talk) 00:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying not to be too much of a pain in the butt, here!  (LOL!) Montanabw(talk) 18:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Minor thought:  Should that "breed lines" heading be "bloodlines"?  The first sounds weird, the second more common.  Some breeds say "strains", though if the Haflingers don't, I wouldn't either.  But maybe "Bloodlines."  Not a big deal, just my opinion.  Montanabw(talk) 02:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming you're refering to the subheader under Characteristics? I just rechecked, and the sources I have immediate access to all say "stallions lines", so that's what I've changed the header to. Let me know if I missed it anywhere else. Dana boomer (talk) 03:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me, and has the elegance of matching the source! OH!  Do you need to do ALT text on all the images for FA?  I can help with that if you do!   My last set of thoughts is if the photos are placed a bit randomly and could be rearranged.   This is entirely a style issue and I don't think in any way is a change that I'd insist on seeing.  But, I'm wondering if that set of head shots you just added would be better up by "breed characteristics," and the pack horse string put with "history," the work horses moved down to "uses", and so on.  I like all the photos and think they all should stay, just with a bit of rearranging.  Thoughts?  Montanabw(talk) 17:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alt text isn't needed for FAC, but the only alt text needed anyway is "alt=Photograph". Malleus Fatuorum 19:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me.  Tweaked one thing that seems to have exceeded the source.  Montanabw(talk) 02:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA sweep 

message: Hi, I fixed the car links, but if anyone wants to fix the horse links here, feel free! Fasach Nua (talk) 10:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I got them all. Thanks for the work you did! Dana boomer (talk) 14:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoming Links 

message: I've translated this article into french, added some informations from fr books and some pics like this one :
thumb|center|Firebrand of a Tyrolean Haflinger
These informations are (I don't know if my translation here is good) : 
Breyer have done a "figurine" (don't know the english for) of the breedhttp://www.breyerhorses.com/index.php?pageId=1966 Classics Haflinger on breyerhorses.com 27 january 2012. 
In France, the breed is present in all regions, particularly in Bretagne, Bourgogne and Picardie. Since 2000s, between 350 and 400 foals birth each year (ref is the ref "haras" quoted in this article)
In 1970, (we had a "pony phenomen" coming from England and pony clubs were created by thousands), the Hafinger is imported in France from North Tyrol. The Association of the breed is created the same year and the breed considered as a pony section D. Haflingers are imported until 1975, since this time breeding is realized just in France. Number of Haflinger is x3 between 1980s and 2000s (ref name = haras) In the opinion of Lætitia Bataille (one of our fr equine journalists) breeding of Haflingers is a growing market stable, dynamic and structured. ref : Lætitia Bataille, Les poneys: Races et élevage (the ponies, breeds and breeding), France Agricole Éditions, 2007, (), p. 138.
I will propose this article at good quality soon. Thanks to all contributors of this page (on fr wp we are a lot to translate just to keep a level roughly correct in English)  --Tsaag Valren (talk) 09:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Tsaag. In English, we'd say "model horse" though figurine is formal and accurate; either is correct, but the first is more colloquial.  You may want to see Breyer horse or Model horse on en.wiki (not great articles, but we have them!) -- I actually have a model Haflinger in my own collection, not sure the rules on uploading model toys (there's some copyright hiccup), but if you want a photo, let me know. Also, our en.wiki on what you call a "firebrand" is livestock branding.Montanabw(talk) 20:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Montana, thanks for these informations. In "marque à feu" become "firebrand" if you translate word by word. Another little information from fr books : Franz Joseph I of Austria rode a Haflinger at the end of his life, and the coat color chestnut with flaxen of the Haflinger is an origin of his success all around the world : Chevaux et poneys, Éditions Artemis, 2002, p. 83 http://books.google.fr/books?id=tR8khdK6WJcC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=Haflinger&source=bl&ots=P0Wljw_cLv&sig=6Gk3BoTStQRtjGrZIlTdHuG-7C0&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=Rh9LUNv6OYq-0QXr8IGgBg&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Haflinger&f=false () --Tsaag Valren (talk) 10:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yhe WHF have a magazine (all in german, all these sources I cannot read, it makes me crazy !) with lots of informations, here : http://www.haflinger-tirol.com/uploads/media/Zeitung_September_02.pdf . Interesting answers with our national stud's search engine, here, too : 
*Milk of Italian saddle and Haflinger nursing mares : physico-chemical characteristics, nitrogen composition and mineral elements at the end of lactation in Italian journal of animal science (3, p293-299)
*Trend in ash and mineral element content of milk from Haflinger nursing mares throughout six lactation months in Livestock production science (88, p55-62)
*Morphological evolution of the Haflinger horse in ASPA congress, Scientific Association of Animal Production, Parme, Italia, 18-20 june (2, suppl 1, p595-597)
*Genetic parameters and breeding values for linear type traits in the Haflinger horse in Livestock production science (52, p105-111)
*Deepfreezing preservation trials with semen of Arab and Haflinger stallions in the Turkish National Studs Karacabey in Deutsche Tierarztliche Wochenschrift (100, p476-478)
*A note on inheritance of the coat colour in the Haflinger horse. 1 - flaxen mane and tail in Ippologia (2, 3, p61-63)
*A note on inheritance of the coat colour in the Haflinger horse. 2 - The dorsal stripe in Ippologia (p285-293)
*On the heredity of hair colour in Haflinger horse in Arch tierz (30, 1, p55-62)
*Heritability of the score in Haflinger horse, 8 Congresso Nazionale, - Italian Association of Equine Practitioners (p215-227)
... I think that is all for now, you've not the french and german articles, in total there are 41 replies ;)--Tsaag Valren (talk) 21:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Thanks Tsaag! I hope the good article nomination goes well! I've added the information that you provide above to the article... The image we were told at this article's featured article candidacy that we can't use, because the author of the design (if I recall correctly, from what I could find, it's a private farm brand, not the official breed brand) hasn't given permission for the work to be used. The journal articles above look interesting (although a few are probably too specific to be used in a layman article like this one)...I'll see if I have access to any of the ones in English. Dana boomer (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Dana, in fact, I cannot run the GA nomination before have fixed last points of the translation... and despite a request for assistance nobody have help me for this. I've found some of the articles quoted before (like this one : http://www.aspajournal.it/index.php/ijas/article/view/ijas.2003.s1.595 ) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 16:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anything I can help on with the translation? Or are the remaining issues things that need an expert French speaker? Forgive me if I missed a request for assistance above... Dana boomer (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you need help with the German, User:PumpkinSky speaks German and User:Gerda Arendt is a native speaker of German.  Montanabw(talk) 22:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, there's 3 sentence I cannot translate : [inspection]  based on hereditary reliability and likely breeding strength as well as the other qualifications ,  to be light on the forehand and balanced , has a very distinct motion forwards and upwards. 
For german can you tell me if this source : http://www.haflinger-tirol.com/uploads/media/Zeitung_September_02.pdf is useful ? Thanks --Tsaag Valren (talk) 10:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation into french 

message: Naturally, what is cited from a book written in French will find French words in the original rather than English ones. That is not a good reason for insisting on French names where there are English ones, or for linking to redirects instead of to articles - Bourgogne instead of Burgundy, Allemagne instead of Germany, &c. Moonraker (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Règlement du stud-book français du poney Haflinger

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