Talk:Charlotte Hornets

message: What is this opinionated dribble doing on a fact-based database?  I'm deleting it, and if it resurfaces, I'll inform because this text I will be quoting below is pure opine.
"...Johnson waltzed in and received probably an even better deal, as he actually receives the profits made off of the Charlotte Bobcats Arena. Since then, the Hornets have become the most despised team in Charlotte, for the same reasons that the Indianapolis Colts are reviled in Baltimore, Maryland, home to the Ravens.
Noigetit 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave opinions out! 

message: "This rumor was suppored by the fact that no other U.S. city had two major sports franchises named after similar animals. "
Huh? Chicago Cubs and Bears. Detroit Tigers and Lions. Baltimore Orioles and Ravens. Denver Nuggets and Colorado Rockies (not animals, but you get the idea).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.51.76.122 (talk) 01:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that whole section was added yesterday and appears to be speculation and original research. Additionally, the whole thing lacked any sort of sourcing. I've undone the edit. Geologik (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal Names? 

message: I'm not a Bobcats fan, but somebody really ought to fix their uniform images in the main information box at the top right of the article.  The Bobcats have not had an orange jersey in their uniform set since the '08-'09 season, and won't have one this season, either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.8.191 (talk) 00:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniforms 

message: It's been confirmed on the official Bobcats website (section Roster) that Ramon Sessions will wear Number 7, and DeSagana Diop will wear Number 2.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.111.233 (talk) 20:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012-13 Uniform Numbers/Roster 

message: Stephen Jackson (the teams capitan) is not listed in the roster needs fixing
Wrestlings Savior (talk) 17:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen Jackson?? 

message: The logo displayed as the team's current primary mark is actually a recolored version of the old logo where 'Charlotte' was positioned outside of the 'Bobcats' crest. In the newly recolored logo, 'Charlotte' is now inside of the 'Bobcats' crest. Here is an sRGB-Optimized graphic of the latest Charlotte Bobcats primary mark which I suggest be used.
McBeastie (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: All pictuires for Wikipedia need to be uploaded to Wikipedia. Mdann52 (talk) 17:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Official Primary Logo 

message: I think the page Charlotte Hornets should be made a redirect to the Charlotte Bobcats considering the name change move (until the name becomes official after the 2013-14 season), and the current placeholder page for Charlotte Hornets be moved to Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation) 108.250.205.112 (talk) 01:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlotte Hornets redirect to this page? 

message: With the Bobcats changing their name to Hornets as of the 2014-15 season, which franchise will get to claim the history of the original Charlotte Hornets (1988-2002)?  Will it be...
* The New Orleans Pelicans, since it's part of the same franchise?
* The current Charlotte Bobcats, since both the original and current NBA teams there will soon share the same name?
* Or, will the entire history of the Charlotte/New Orleans Hornets from 1988-2013 be transferred to Charlotte, leaving the Pelicans to start over with a new history in 2013?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.114.108.110 (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who gets the Charlotte Hornets' history from 1988-2002? 

message: According to the Bobcats twitter feed, "The franchise will hold a press conference on Tuesday, May 20th at 12:30pm to recognize the official name change." twitter.com/bobcats/status/467317012923170816 Stealth Matrix (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Hornets rebrand 'official' on May 20th

message: As of May 19, 2014, NBA.com officialy lists the franchise as the Charlotte Hornets and going to Bobcats.com redirects you to Hornets.com. So according to the NBA, the Charlotte Bobcats no longer exists, so I guess now's the time to start the moving process. Dknights411 (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change made on May 19

message: I understand that the history of the 1988-2002 Hornets has been returned to the current Charlotte franchise. But what I'm failing to see is a distinction that the current Charlotte franchise is retroactively being determined to have started in 1988 and not 2004 (hence my disputing the founding date and wording used in the lead). The closest parallel that I see is the Cleveland Browns - their original team moved to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Ravens. However, the NFL ruled that despite the relocation, the Baltimore Ravens would officially be considered an expansion franchise, and that Browns operations would officially be viewed as having ceased for 3 years before resuming in 1999. I see no such determination having been made by the NBA. So despite the history of the original Hornets coming back to Charlotte, I don't see how we can ignore the fact that the original franchise has legally existed since 1988 and has only gone thru relocations and renamings. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 15:22, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to understand it...but it's our duty to go by what it officially says.  As it stands, the Pelicans agreed to give the new Hornets the original Hornets' history.  How then, would you indicate that on the article (your revisions left no sign of it). Tom Danson (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ... the lead in both article plainly states the Pelicans gave the Hornets the Charlotte basketball history. I'm not disagreeing with that at all. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 15:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But you're only giving it "lip service."  If you acknowledge that the new Hornets have the old Hornets' history, you need to back it up by incorporating that in the article, otherwise your acknowledgment doesn't sound authentic (That's like saying a certain horse is the fastest at the racetrack, but refusing to bet on it) Tom Danson (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I believe the announcement yesterday was actually the NBA stating that the Pelicans are now considered to have been a new expansion franchise as of 2002. And that the Bobcats prior were just a resumption of the original Hornets franchise. I think that was the whole point of this. Just like the Browns/Ravens. -DJSasso (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any sources that say that the Pelicans are retroactively considered an expansion franchise? I can't find anything that says other than "Hornets brand, stats, records, and history goes back to Charlotte". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 17:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What else can "Hornets brand, stats, records, and history goes back to Charlotte" mean except for that?  You say that you acknowledge that the new team has the history, but then stubbornly state that "until they use the EXACT WORDS 'expansion franchise' for the Pelicans, I'm not considering it that"...so tell me, what else can that headline mean? Tom Danson (talk) 19:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying they need to use exact language of any type, but there is a very big difference between franchise A giving franchise B another back its basketball history and retroactively deciding that franchise A was founded as an expansion team on a completely different date. I'm not being stubborn, I'm trying to keep a stable version of the article together while discussion takes place. So far, I'm only getting a temperamental response from you. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 19:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You say there's a difference, I'm just asking you what is that difference?  How can a franchise, started in 2004 get back its past history from the past franchise's 1988-2002 incarnation, without declaring that that franchise is to be officially considered one and the same?  Point out ONE potential scenario and we can move this discussion forward. Tom Danson (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

text: For all intents and purposes, the Charlotte Hornets history begins in 1988 with the records and history being returned from the Pelicans. The Pelicans history and records will now start in 2002. There is no need to classify the Pelicans or the Hornets as expansion team anymore. I noticed the edit war in the Pelicans infox (much the same as it was here), but it looks like it's been resolved in the infobox. If the history of the Charlotte Hornets starts in 1988 through 2002, there is no history for the Pelicans prior to that date, therefore it makes no sense for any other founding date. I'm still perplexed why people are having such a difficult time with this. It's pretty common sense. The Bobcats are now the Hornets, with a history dating back to 1988. The Pelicans are the Pelicans with their own history starting in 2002. I am also getting quite a chuckle with all the editors coming out of the woodwork with the Hornets' return. When I was working on Bobcats articles years back, it was pretty much just me. Hah. Geologik (talk) 03:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Geologik.  You explained it better than I could...PS: the Charlotte Hornets were and are a popular brand...get used the page being swamped with activity again! Tom Danson (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks Tom. Seems like the furor about what dates belong where has died down. BShaw, there were no suspended operations. When the Hornets moved, the NBA moved to award Charlotte the expansion Bobcats. With the history from 1988-2002 returning to the Bobcats it's simply a two year gap. Feel free to remove that part in the header. Geologik (talk) 18:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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message: “ The Coliseum hosted 371 consecutive NBA sell-outs (including seven playoff games) from December 1920 to November 1921. ”
Clearly 1920 and 1921 are incorrect. I can’t speak on the validity of the other figures. 76.19.105.50 (talk) 01:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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message: Add the new “CLT MINT” City Jersey 84.125.98.138 (talk) 15:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New City Jersey? 

message: The article needs to be updated to reflect the change in ownership in 2023. This is commented on at the tail end of the team history section, but not in the lead paragraph at top or in the box at right. Jpw67 (talk) 02:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs to be updated to reflect new ownership