Talk:William Archibald Dunning

message: Beware  
The statements in the article may mislead anyone who reads them.  Opinions and suggestions appear to mar the article.  Who needs those apparent opinions?  Not me.  Velocicaptor 14:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs citations from Dunning's own work in order for the author to bolster his or her arguments.  Perhaps the author could also acknowledge Dunning's shortcomings on the issue of race while pointing out how historians W.E.B. DuBois and Eric Foner have acknowledged the work as "judicious" (DuBois in the chapter "The Propaganda of History" found in Black Reconstruction) and one of the few works on the period that offers a comprehensive, national synthesis.  
I simply offered the possibility that some (though certainly not all) of Dunning's insights might still have relevance to scholars today.  Otherwise, why do all of us keep bringing his name up repeatedly if the point is to dismiss his writings as "discredited?"  Dunning treats westward expansion in his Reconstruction, something I do not recall even in Eric Foner's admittedly magisterial treatment of the period.  Now scholars are beginning to realize that Reconstruction in the South was but one political issue upon which northern whites occupied themselves during the immediate postwar period.  I would only submit the names of Heather Cox Richardson, Michael F. Holt, David Montgomery and Andrew Slap as scholars who have analyzed northern opinion during these years on issues ranging from free labor ideology and class conflict, interest in westward expansion, the plight of organized labor, as well as the rise of Liberal Republicanism.
NoahB 03:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Again, I think it's correct, and non-POV to label Dunning's work as "discredited" among historians today.  I'm hoping to do a little more research to verify (or not!) this position.  Here's one link to a discussion by Eric Foner, who is the most influential historian of the period these days.  His discussion of Dunning is luckily online here  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NoahB (talk • contribs) 04:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discredited 

message: if you can't say foner is unbiased and maintain a straight face. WillC 12:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  you've obviously never read foner, or you've never read anything other than foner. you simply are projecting what you believe onto this entry, and that is clearly point of view. making a list of people who agree with you is academically irresponsible and wholly juvenile. WillC 17:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: riiiight, i disagree so therefore it is a personal attack....this whole accuracy by consensus thing....a bit orwellian don't you think? i'll say it again, unless you can PROVE the discrediting of dunning, you can list a thousand people who disagree and it won't mean anything. you can show me all the three-legged dogs you want to demonstrate they exist. i'm a four-legged dog. end of debate. WillC 19:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Will.  Again, your own opinions aren't at issue here.  It's the historical consensus.  You need to find a reputable historian who supports your position.  It's not a question of whether historians are biased or not; it's a question of what the historical consensus is.  NoahB 01:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foner 

message: The criticism section contains very little criticism (in fact it contains plenty of praise), and the racist slant in Dunning's perspective on Reconstruction is softpedaled.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Docsplice (talk • contribs) 04:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: It falls far below the lapidariness expected from a good intro. I suppose that's because the whole article has yet to find its bearings about Dunning's work - is it really discredited? How racist personally he was? Absent a deep discussion of this (beyond my abilities, to be sure) the intro falls back on quotations from Beal. But, seriously, so many quotations in an intro? There has to be a better way to do it. Bazuz (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The intro is very weak. 

message: This seems worth mentioning. Bazuz (talk) 07:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  TBD - Dunning appeared as an expert witness in the trial of Henry Ford against the Chicago Tribune