Talk:Pensacola Christian College/Archive 1

message: Please stop adding the following:
* Skip Chapel service, unless they are sick.
(Redundant to item: Skip Campus Church services)
* No extra studying during exams after lights-out - at 11.
(Redundant to item: Stay up past 11:00 (students under 23))
* Listen to Jazz
(Should have been added to the list of prohibited music)
* Men may not give their suit jacket to their date.
* Wear jeans
* Wear Abercrombie and Fitch - as it is anti-Biblical
(Listing every item of clothing one cannot wear at PCC will make the section long and uninteresting. Perhaps a section on the dress code would be appropriate. Additionally, comments are really unnecessary here. Let's try to keep the page free from bias and let the reader form his/her own opinion.)
* You may not put up a picture of unmarried people in physical contact unless they are "little kids." (these are sold in the bookstore).
(While I realize these comments are pointed at revealing how hypocritical PCC is, perhaps it would be better simply to let the facts rest without editorial.)
* You may not wipe "boogers" on the wall. This is being cracked down on.
(This is the case at every college and University I have ever visited, attended, or worked at. The only differene is that anywhere else, they'd make you pay for a new paint job.)
* The Publishers Clearing House contest application has a sticker for Playboy and is not allowed.
(This is not a regulation.)
* You may recieve demerits for having your radio tuned to a "non-passing" radio station, even if you have not touched the dial since you were home.
(Again, please no editorial. This entry sounds really whiny.)
Additionally, I am a current student at PCC and the following are not rules I have ever encountered. If they were your personal experience, then someone was probably on your case.
* Laugh too loud
(This past semester, one guy couldn't control himself several times after jokes in chapel. Nothing bad happened to him... everyone just smiled.)
* You may not sing "too loud" during prayer group.
(My prayer groups in the past years have sung loudly enough to be heard down another wing, and the most that's happened is the floor leader comes in to sing with us.)
* Siblings of the opposite sex should not interact in unchaperoned areas to abstain from the "appearance of evil."
(Definitely not true -- I've hugged and kissed my sister plenty of times in public with residence managers right there.)
One more thing -- I know it can be challenging to keep the list parallel, but please try to start with a strong verb and mimick the overall structure for readability.
---Masyukun 0:53, 14 Jun 2005 (EST)
** The ones that really are regulations should be added anyway (see Bob Jones University, which has quite a long list of the school's regulations right there in the article). --Idont Havaname 14:08, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regulation section 

message: www.pccboard.com   
www.pensacolachristiancollege.com (No longer updated)
--69.49.154.20 23:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More websites to learn about pensacola christian college 

message: I see that the size of the student body has been changing between 5,000 and 6,000. Are there sources for any of those figures? Thanks, -Willmcw 23:19, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So your friends are the source? -Willmcw 02:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I would imagine that they know how many students are there. Nik 13:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A source like that does not meet the standard of wikipedia:verifiability. -Willmcw 19:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I've looked through several pages of Google results today, and I haven't found a definite figure.  I couldn't find PCC on US News & World Report's college rankings list.  I could find a listing on CollegeNet that says 3700 (undergraduates) and a blog entry from this past June that says 4700.  So 5000 sounds more accurate to me than 6000.  If, say, you have 25% freshmen, 25% sophomores, etc., then that's about 1250 students in each graduating class.  If it went up to 6000 for this year, that might mean that they have over 2000 freshmen this year, which is quite a jump given the size of the school's student body.  If anyone has more definite information, feel free to add it. --Idont Havaname 20:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The ideal source would be the college itself.. DDerby(talk) 01:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student body 

message: *Synopsis of the King-James-Only debate between PCC and Bob Jones University
What's the reason for doubting this source? -Willmcw 02:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by "couldn't find anything?" How does that affect the accuracy of the material? -Willmcw 19:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Meaning that the document on the stated website sources itself as being on the web site of Bob Jones, and I looked and didn't find anything; hence, it could be false. Nik 23:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying that. Websites remove information all of the time, so the lack of a particular document on a page doesn't mean that it never existed. -Willmcw 00:02, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  KJV translation 

message: I find this article to contain discrepancies with what actually goes on within the campus of PCC. I am currently a junior there, and there are things said here that certainly do not happen. I will certainly protest these inconsistencies, and will edit them myself. Pensacolaboy 00:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What errors are you discrepancies are you referring to? -Willmcw 06:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: While I realize that you probably believe I am biased, let me first state, that I have an experienced view of the school and its rules. First of all as a student, second of all, I have been kicked out, so I also do have a bit of anymosity towards the school. One of the first things that I think is the listing of an outdated site to give relevant information about the school. While I have visited and do understand some of the views held there, there are also a number that are now unneccessary for anyone that would like recent information about the school. This should be pronounced more as a historical criticism than a contemporary one. There are some other things, but I believe that most of the fine editors involved in this article really know nothing about the school other than what is available on the web. Please understand my frustration with this matter. I will however, leave open any editorial changes that I make for discussion, rather than just robotically changing back and forth without any elaboration. Pensacolaboy 17:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't say which website you are referring to. It'd help if you can be more specific. Just because a website is outdated doesn't mean that it is no longer relevant. We are interested in both history and the present. Yes, for those of us who haven't attended the web is a chief source of info. However, first-hand knowledge is not acceptable in Wikipedia. Everything we write should be verifiable by other editors. Hence, the web serves as a reasonable source. If you have better sources then please share them with us. Thank, -Willmcw 20:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The section now makes it clear that it is discussing recent history, thanks to User:Idont havaname. Are there any other specific problems with the article? DDerby(talk) 02:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross Discrepancies 

message: This link seems to be more about libertarianism than about PCC. DDerby(talk) 02:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lew Rockwell link 

message: I'm afraid that the school has nothing to do with the Academy, the book publisher or the radio station - I think that this item should be discussed before putting it back on.Nik 02:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The abeka.com website, and that of Rejoice Radio (on campus), are copyright PCC. The campus church is may be primarily for students, but PCC's website mentions that "Faculty, staff, and their families—as well as many local townspeople—join the college students in services at Campus Church", so I'm not sure about the inclusion of that one. The academy, while it shares founders with PCC, doesn't seem to be closely affiliated per its website. DDerby(talk) 03:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If these other enterprises are owned by PCC, then they should be listed here. The evidence abovce seems to show that they are owned and operated by PCC. -Willmcw 01:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Please see this webpage: http://www.pcci.edu/GeneralInfo/TheRecord.html. -Willmcw 01:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

text: And http://www.pcci.edu/CampusLife/SpiritualLife/. -Willmcw 01:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on this, I've re-added the section. DDerby(talk) 02:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other organizations 

message: *Christianity Today: College Pays Millions in Taxes is no longer working, and is unavailable at [archive.org]. DDerby(talk) 20:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I found another link to it and replaced it. -Willmcw 20:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed ext. link 

message: Supporting exclusive use of the King James Bible in English is sufficient to indicate support of the King-James-Only movement as defined in the article on the movement. The KJV-only movement should not be confused with Ruckmanism. The current wording in the section "the text issue" seems to make it clear that PCC does not support Ruckmanism. To quote the KJV-Onlyism article:
There are variations within the King-James-Only Movement. For example, the late John R. Rice took a position that only the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are inspired scripture, and that all translations of those done in good faith are useful as scripture, but he expressed a preference toward the King James Version for aesthetic reasons. On the other extreme can be found the teachings of the controversial Baptist preacher Peter Ruckman, who believes that the King James translation constitutes an "advanced revelation" from God which is superior to even the oldest existing Greek and Hebrew texts. DDerby(talk) 20:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 68.156.93.130, for most purposes, exclusive use of the TR is exclusive use of the KJV. The KJV-only article is based on the book by James White, who gave 5 degrees of KJV-onlyism; the stance that PCC holds is right in the middle of the list. However, since White basically defines KJV-onlyism, and there seems to be some debate on what constitutes the movement (the KJV-only article even notes that fact), I think it would be right to not place too much emphasis on his term. Therefore, I've deleted the controversial term, though preserving the link to the article. --DDerby-(talk) 03:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Textus Receptus and the KJV 

message: Why does the enrollment keep changing? It just went from 4,500 undergrads to 5,500 undergrads. Where is your source for this information?
--68.156.93.130 22:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did some checking on this and found the college is listing 4,712 students in its own publication  (pdf file).  Have changed enrollment figure to reflect this, as this appears to be the most recent published record (spring 2006). DavidGC 07:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enrollment 

message: Is the material in the section on Hurricane Ivan really appropriate for an encyclopedia entry on a college?  I'm wondering if the entire section should be scrapped. DavidGC 15:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without more sourcing it really doesn't belong. -Will Beback 18:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also curious if it would belong in an encyclopedia even with sourcing.  It doesn't appear to me to be a pivotal moment in the history of the college, and I'm just not sure that a section devoted to Hurricane Ivan is appropriate for each institution that was affected by it, unless the institution was forced to close, relocate, or at least rebuild itself from wreckage. DavidGC 06:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It must be pivotal because the school suffered broken windows and Dr. Arlin Horton's house was damaged.  Dr. Arlin Horton now lives on campus, presumably with Mrs. Dr. Horton and all the little Dr. Hortons. Just zis Guy you know? 12:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've scrapped the section and think it should be left out until a reasonable case can be made as to its importance in the history of the univsersity.  The importance and relevance of the event was not clearly stated in the section. DavidGC 05:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Ivan 

message: The text consistently referred to Horton as "Dr. Arlin Horton" - which I'm sorry to say raises a red flag in my latterly sceptical mind, since the times I've seen obsessive use of the title "Dr." in articles recently have all been graduates of unaccredited institutions, generally being "Gastroturfed". Does anyone have a reliable bioig of Horton with the sources of his credentials?  Just zis Guy you know? 12:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arlin Horton 

message: Unless the history major and its avoidance of certain time periods is a huge event, there is no need to include this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flgook (talk • contribs)  20:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under M:Inclusionism, interesting and unusual facts are included in articles by design.  Having a college-level history major that ignores the preceding five billion years of history on the planet strikes me as being fairly unusual.  --Kralizec! (talk) 03:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that the historical focus mentioned in the article is very unusual from a  cultural anthropological and specifically an  archaeological perspective. --DavidGC 10:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History??