Talk:Mary Robinson

message: Anyone know where there is a public domain photo (preferably head shot) of Mary Robinson? The fair use image that was here for ages has been deleted by the photo-gestapo and as it did not apparently conform! Snappy56 18:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Going by this article, she's clearly a strong candidate for prehumous sainthood.  There's way too much adulation in here for something that aspires to be NPOV; I could edit out the fawning praise myself ("You were magnificent", geez), but it would be better to have someone more knowledgeable give this more balance. Stan 05:43 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
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I am amazed at how baised this article is.  "a remarkably good president"!?!  There's not even the pretense of neutrality.  I shall attempt to work on it.
Acegikmo1 19:12, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: General

message: This is an article on Mary Robinson. I intend to delete the great slabs of Lenihan material, replacing it with a concise statement of how his difficulties affected Robinson's campaign. Pete 21:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lenihan

message: Clearly she is no longer President of Ireland. An alternative will have to be found. The US presidents are shown as xth President. Perhaps that form could be used. Or if the term of office is included, "President of Ireland 19xx-19xx", then that too would indicate that a former president is no longer serving.
Having the information box headed "Mary Robinson / President of ireland" gives a misleading impression that she is the President of Ireland. --Footsoldier 22:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Former President

message: Is it true that former President Robinson is known to hold pro-British Commonwealth sympathies? - (Aidan Work 02:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro-British Commonwealth sympathies.

message: * I disagree, the footnotes appear relevant; it is the preceeding section called Other source material which is vague and improperly substantiated. Many of the items mentioned are not cited explicitly and footnoted properly within the text so this other source material looks like it could have been invented, because it is uncited and unverifiable. Political briefing notes and even an alleged interview with Robinson are claimed. This does not meet Wikipedia criteria. These loose claims must be given credibility.  174.16.21.62 (talk) 17:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes, and Other Source Material sections

message: I havn't taken much interest in this article — I just came to it from "What links here" from Christian Brothers, as that's a disambiguation page. Concerning my edit, in addition to changing Christian Brothers to Congregation of Christian Brothers, I removed the claim that the special permission to study at Trinity was rarely granted to Catholics. As far as I know, I have relatives who got permission relatively easily, just like a formality.
I had problems with the following section, and I removed it:
:She visited Irish nuns and priests abroad, Irish famine relief charities, attended international sports events, met the Pope (where she was condemned by a young right wing priest in The Irish Times for supposedly breaking Vatican dress codes on her visit; the Vatican insisted she hadn't, an analysis echoed by Ireland's Roman Catholic Bishops who disowned the controversial priest's comments).
I incorrectly mentioned Fr Phonsie Cullinane in my edit summary. Of course, as I realized after saving, it was Fr David O' Hanlon. (Fr. Cullinane criticized Bertie Ahern. I got them mixed up.)
First of all, I think it violates NPOV to call Fr. O' Hanlon right wing. It's a personal judgment. For those who believe that official Catholic teaching (abortion, euthanasia, contraception, divorce, women's ordination, etc.) is right wing, then Fr O' Hanlon undoubtedly is. But there is no indication that he believes anything that isn't official teaching – no indication that he thinks Protestants go to Hell, that Vatican II was heretical, that the Mass of Paul VI is invalid, etc. So he's simply a Catholic, pure and simple. If Catholic teaching is right wing (hardly something that Wikipedia should be judging), so is he. His age doesn't seem relevant. Also, condemned is a very strong word, collocating with "prison sentence" and "death penalty". Fr. O' Hanlon pointed out 
*that women are expected to wear dark when meeting the pope;
*that Mrs Clinton, Diana Princess of Wales, Queen Elizabeth, Mrs Netanyahu, Mrs Reagan (all non-Catholics) all wore black or dark grey when meeting the pope;
*that Mary Robinson showed respect for Muslims by taking off her shoes when visiting a mosque in Dublin;
*that it should not have been too much for Catholics in Ireland (whom she was representing) to be able to expect that she would similarly show respect by following the Vatican dress code.
The article said "supposedly breaking Vatican dress codes", implying that she hadn't broken them. Now is it or is it not a fact that there is a dress code requiring that women wear dark, and that she wore green? If I'm mistaken on either of those beliefs, I'd be happy to be put right. It says the Vatican "insisted" she hadn't. Gosh, they're strong words, almost suggesting that someone very high up in the Vatican issued an official statement and then issued another one to reinforce the first. As for the Irish Bishops, my recollection is that several priests and Bishops John Kirby Willie Walsh wrote to the Irish Times, denouncing Fr O'Hanlon's views. I am unaware of any statement from the body of Bishops. In any case, those who criticized Fr O' Hanlon criticized him for criticizing the president and calling her "cheap"; they didn't "echo the Vatican's analysis — and I don't believe there was such an analysis — that she hadn't broken the dress code. They didn't say that he was mistaken in claiming that Mary Robinson violated Vatican norms; they simply thought it was rude of him to say so. Incidentally, Fr. O' Hanlon did get a lot of public support as well as criticism. I remember several Protestants said at the time that they were appalled at Mary Robinson's rudeness. 
If that extract is re-inserted, it will have to be de-POVed. The "right-wing" bit will have to go, and unless someone can show either that there is no expectation that women should wear dark and cover their heads when meeting the pope, or that she really did wear black, and that Fr. O' Hanlon got mixed up about his colours, the implication that he was wrong in saying that she broke the dress code will also have to go. People may think that her choice to appear bareheaded, in a green dress, and a sprig of mimosa was a fine, brave, daring gesture, showing that she wouldn't conform to the sexist requirements of that fuddy duddy old pope, or that it was rude and cheap. But I can't see how they can deny that she did choose not to conform. If we can't simply present the facts without passing judgment either on her or on Fr. O' Hanlon, then we should leave out that bit. AnnH ♫ 16:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green dress when visiting Pope 

message: I said in an edit summary that I didn't think Professor Binchy was an anti-divorce activist. I was wrong, but I see there's no need to revert myself as Jtdirl has already reverted it. Sorry for the mistake. AnnH ♫ 23:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone find some citations of Robinson's middle name being given as Térèse rather than Terese? Some examples of 'Terese': , . --Kwekubo 00:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I have no doubt as to her extraordinary popularity, but does anyone have a source for the 93% poll?  The only links I can find are Wiki mirrors or pages obviously citing Wiki.  I doubt that 93% of a polled population can agree what day it is....  Cory.willis 08:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: "with enemies like Padraig Flynn, who needs friends?"
:This used to say "McDowell". Anybody have a source to say which it is? Ian Cheese 22:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  McDowell/Flynn quote 

message: For the record Mary Robinson was an independent or "Non Party" candidate in the 1990 Irish Presidential election having been nominated jointly by the Labour Party, the Workers' Party and a number of independent senators.  She was quite clear during the election that she was not a Labour Party member, nor a member of any of the other groups.  see []
--Coolavokig 19:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent Candidate 

message: I would like to see a mention here of Robinson's Sabhal Mòr Lecture, but I can't see where to put it.  This was seen in Scotland as a particularly visionary lecture.  Perhaps those of you working on this page can see how best to add it?  --Doric Loon 21:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabhal Mòr Lectures

message: Under "ELection campaign" there's the sentence: "An episode of the current affairs television program program, featured Fianna Fáil members in Roscommon openly attacking Haughey's leadership and character."  This doesn't seem to make sense, but has been in the article since June 28th! Perhaps someone who knows what was meant could tidy it up? PamD (talk) 11:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  election campaign - TV program 

message: Why does it say though a catholic she decided to attend trinity college dublin? 
Okay Trinity was originally a Protestant University but it can hardly have been unusual for a Catholic to go there in the 1960s. Also it gives an impression of sectarianism that truthfully I can't see existing in the Republic. Alright I'm younger. But I still feel it leads people to believe that the Republic of Ireland, like Northern Ireland, has long been a segregated and sectarian society, when it just hasn't, if only because the number of Protestants wasn't big enough to support a University the size of Trinity by the early 1960s.
:It would have been unusual for a Catholic to attend Trinity in the 60s because up until 1976 (I think) the Catholic Church barred its members from attending. TheGeniusPrince 00:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trinity College and Catholics 

message: It isn't clear what The Elders has to do with Robinson; is she a member? 212.84.103.205 (talk) 18:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Elders? 

message: The description in the photos could include additional (brief) details.  ; "... shown here recieving the Presential Medal of Freedom for her efforts to improve the status of human rights"  or something similar. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone crop it and just an image of Mary Robinson on her own? That would be useful for other pages. Snappy (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Photo

message: thumb|right|Dublin City Council Civic Offices
I'm not sure what "One of the Civic Offices" means. Is it "one" because the picture does not show the whole building or "one" because there is another building which I don't know? If you know what to write about it, you could perhaps use the following picture which shows the whole building.
--YvonneM (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of the Civic Offices 

message: Is there any evidence per this edit that former Presidents of Ireland continue to be formally addressed as they were while in office eg Your Excellency, A Uachtaráin, A Shoilse? Personally it seems 'wrong' and I think should be removed from the infobox. RashersTierney (talk) 06:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Former presidents and other office holders of the United States are commonly referred to by their former titles: Mr. President, or Mayor Williams. This is merely a custom and courtesy, but technically the individual has lost his title upon leaving office. In Ireland (and, as far as I know, in most places) it is different. Mary Robinson is now simply Mrs. Robinson, if you should find yourself sitting beside her on the bus. — O'Dea (talk) 07:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: We're told that Nelson Mandela and Graça ("Graca" in the article) Machel congratulated her on her acceptance of an award. Surely they congratulated her on being awarded it, not on accepting it - would they have criticised her for not accepting it?89.212.50.177 (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: I'd like to take a crack at improving this article, in particular by trying to remove Wikipedia:PUFFERY, changing it's quite casual tone, and by actually citing sources. My issue is that they citation style currently in place doesn't lend itself to making multiple citations from books easily. I'd like to convert it to a short footnote style of citation. Does anyone have any issues with this? (Or know of a script so that I don't have to log a change of over 100 references manually?) Thanks. Xx78900 (talk) 13:16, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Style 

message: I'm proposing that the "Recognition" section of this article be split into something along the lines of "Awards/honours/etc. granted to Mary Robinson". It's long (particularly the section of about the Presidential Medal of Freedom), and I don't think is really what most readers are looking for. A link would suffice for those who do want to see it. Also. the article at present is over 100,000kb in length, which according to WP:SPLIT indicates that it "almost certainly should be divided". Xx78900 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the "recognition" section