Talk:Bora Bora

message: Can someone render "Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien" and "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Tahitian? Thanks! Chris 14:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien]]

message: I have looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_by_language . It would appear that there are no templates like ,  for Tahitian. :( Chris 06:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User ty

message: The previous name of Borabora was Vavau, not Vava'u. It is true that often tahitian names are spelled without their glottal stops, and probably the author thought it was necessary to put it back. Yes the old name is related to the name of  Vava'u island in Tonga, exactly like the old name of neighbour island Taha'a was Uporu like Upolu in Samoa. So why am I saying that is it Vavau and not Vava'u ? Because the old glottal stop that appears in tongan Vava'u was lost in all eastern polynesian languages (except Pascuan) and kept in Tongan/Niuean/Pascuan; a glottal stop exists in tahitian but it has an other origin (protopolynesian *k and *ng consonnants) hence the correct reflexe of Vava'u in tahitian is Vavau not Vava'u. S. JOURDAN http://knol.google.com/k/la-toponymie-des-%C3%AEles-marquises  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.187.219 (talk) 10:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  VAVAU not VAVA'U 

message: Please add a world map showing its location in relation to places such as Australia, New Guinea, etc.
The Pacific Ocean is a big place, and "An island in the Pacific" could be anything between Easter Island and Guam.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.18.193 (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Map Request 

message: The article was recently moved without advance discussion to Bora Bora (Pora Pora) with the edit summary "Correct spelling between parenthesis" [sic]. I have undone the move. First, I am unaware of a precedent for the use of parenthetical phrases in article titles for the purpose of "correcting" spelling; they're commonly used for disambiguation and, less commonly, for topics whose natural titles include words in parentheses. I note that Wikipedia's mission isn't to correct spelling but rather to reflect common usage. Second, the article itself does not support the contention that "Pora Pora" is the correct spelling. It raises the question, but only tentatively—and in a section that has been tagged as unsourced for nine months. (I would also note that either spelling is a transliteration from a language whose consonants may not correspond precisely to those used in English, so finding a reliable source that definitively states that "Bora Bora" is wrong and "Pora Pora" is right would probably be a tall order.) Finally, the move was not accomplished cleanly, which left readers who entered "Bora Bora" on a page with a link to the new page but with no automatic redirect to take them there. Consensus is needed before such a move is repeated. Rivertorch (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Who are the two fellas in the picture?  --24.177.0.156 (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Queen Teriimaevarua III and her maids of honor" photo

message: This comment is a feedback for user , who contributed to this article with a brief paragraph about dairy cows in Bora Bora (here), which I reverted it for lack of sources. "Please, do come back to the article to include information about cattle in Bora Bora, but in addition to supporting your claims with verifiable sources (as indicated above), you should add your new paragraph in a more appropriate section of the article-- and not in the leading section. It may be another section already in there or one you may want to open new. Please, do not hesitate to contact me for help. Hope you return to the article." Caballero/Historiador (talk) 21:32, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: About Dairy Cows

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message: There is a bit in the Name section that I think has some issues.  Here it is copied so you don't have to dig through the history.
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So the first thing, I notice is that this uses very simple, non-technical terms.  Which can be very good since a pile of technical terms can make the article hard to read for someone who has not studied phonetics, but it is also a warning sign to me that this might have been written by or sourced from someone with very little knowledge on the subject.
And when we look at the actual terms used, there are some issues.  First is the references to English sounds.  English is spoken with different accents in many different places, and while  and  are, to my knowledge realized in the same way most accents,  is much more variable, and  can vary as well even within a dialect.  This isn't a huge issue I assume that they mean  (although narrower transcriptions are possible, an I will get to that), and .  What it means to be between these two sounds is very unclear, especially because English r is actually a lot more complex than just .
So now I take a look at Tahitian Phonology to see what is going on.  So the first thing I see is that  is in the inventory and  is not, so .  So the first bit makes some sense, I don't see any sound in between the two, just , but it is possible that this is realized as some sort of partial voicing or something.  The second bit does not make as much sense.  There are no approximants, and since both [] and [] are approximants, I would expect a sound between them to also be an approximant.  And to not beat around the bush too much, it seems extremely likely that  represents  (a rolled r not present in most English dialects), since it is the only rhotic sound.
So now here is where I speculate a little bit.  My guess is that in Tahitian  and  that is to say a monolingual Tahitian speaker would hear  as  and both  and  as  even if they might sound a little odd.  This is pretty consistent with other languages with similar inventories.  This makes ,  etc. sound correct, or at least correct enough to a native ear and easily explains how the island can come to be named the various things.  And to further speculate, at some point someone in the chain, perhaps the editor, perhaps a travel blogger or perhaps someone else, misinterpreted or simplified the fact that because  and  both sound like , and both  and  like , that the actual Tahitian phonemes must be somewhere in between.
Now this is WP:OR, it is my educated guess.  So I will not be editing this into the article, but I will be editing the article down to remove claims I think are confusing or just clearly false (nothing here is cited anyway), adding Template:CN to claims that I think are possibly true, and filling a little extra technical detail with links that can be followed to become more informed.  I hope this doesn't come off as pedantic or a rant.  Just wanted my thoughts to be clear before editing, and wanted to give people the opportunity to voice their opinions. AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetics in Name section 

message: What is it like to live here? 75.161.213.119 (talk) 18:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: nice 2.101.35.29 (talk) 20:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work life in Bora Bora