Talk:CrossCountry

message: On their website is says they will carry on going to scotland. Mark999 16:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the ECML bit is being kept under the remapping (ie via Newcastle to access Scotland). The WCML portion is too go with Tran Pennie somehow filling the void (the rumour mill don offer any explanation of where they get will 125mph diesel or electric rolling stock). Pickle 15:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scotland

message: The above discussion concluded in the title being applied to the section (as of 15 September 2007). The current issue of Railway Magazine indicates that there is likely to be interchange between Virgin West Coast and the new Cross Country franchise during the first few weeks, with unlikely for the new fleet allocations to settle down until the takeover of the Birmingham to Scotland routes by Virgin West Coast in December 2007. --Stewart (talk) 19:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleet (upon commencement of franchise) 

message: There is now one Class 220 in service with the new CrossCountry livery. The being the case, there is no longer a valid rationale for the use of one of Arriva's photos. The other photos of the trains in their new livery are valid for the time being, although as vehicles are repainted, they will need to be deleted and replaced with free photos too. Nick 08:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, the image can be classified as "fair use" because it is the only image available- no other units have been re-painted yet= non replaceable. Arriva have also released the image online. I do not see any harm in using the image. Obviously, when more units become available.... I have therefore used the image. Dewarw 21:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've explained to User:Dewarw on a number of occasions before, just because it's on the website doesn't mean we have carte blanche to use it on Wikipedia.  However, in this case, there's a problem: while a train with that livery apparently does exist (the photo doesn't look like a mock-up), if there is only one such train we don't know where it is.  So while it is in theory possible to photograph it, it is very difficult.  (In comparison, London Midland actually posted on their website the rosters of the trains in their new livery for Monday 12th.)  With time, this should resolve itself, as the new livery becomes more widespread.   I don't know what the best course of action is here, but it seems like we may have to wait a while before a photo appears.  --RFBailey 22:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was certainly my view - only one unit has been repainted, thus we have no real way of knowing where it'll be and how to photograph it, thus the uploaded picture does come under fair use. TheIslander 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a grey area as to whether this is "fair use" or not: it is replaceable in theory, just very hard in practice.  As I said, we'll just have to wait a while for a free photo.  --RFBailey 00:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it's not free: a free image is one with no copyright restrictions on its use, that there is never any problem with using.  That is not the case here.  Instead, this image is claimed to be fair use--that is, one that is copyrighted, but there is a compelling reason for including it (a fair use rationale), including why it is not possible to obtain a free replacement.  In this instance, as I have said, it's a grey area as to whether it qualifies as fair use or not.--RFBailey 17:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another user has now listed :Image:Arrivavoyager.png as replaceable (see ), so don't say I didn't warn you. --RFBailey 19:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads-up - have now contested :). TheIslander 19:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

text: "Nonreplaceable" doesn't mean "sorta hard to replace". ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 03:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: J.S. is correct.  And Wikipedia's image use policy would therefore rule it out.  --Yamla (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photographs

message: Where are the fleet pictures? i have stopped the nonsense regarding the New Voyager image but the other should still be fine (eg the Turbostar 170 pic is still used in the 170 Wiki page!). I am going to re add the pictures! -- Dewarw (talk) 19:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ve noticed that Arrivasupervoyager.png is simply a horizontally flipped version of Arrivavoyager.png. It therefore follows that one of the photographs — probably ‘Arrivasupervoyager’, since as far as I know only a standard Voyager has been repainted — is mislabelled. David Arthur (talk) 22:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the logos on the train in the picture, it seems like 'Arrivavoyager' is the right way round: it has the word "cross" in pink and the word "country" in white.  Where did the photo come from anyway?  (Surely the "source" field in the fair use template is supposed to be filled with the URL of where it was found?)  --RFBailey (talk) 23:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are the fleet pictures? 

message: At last, a new photo! Rgsao (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations Sir! Not only is it a non-non-free picture, but it's actually a very decent quality non-non-free picture! Problem solved, at last... TheIslander 01:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See, I said that being patient would suffice..... --RFBailey (talk) 06:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Thus proving that the other image was replacable. :) David Arthur (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean to spoil the party, but this looks rather a lot like this (the photo on the front page).  In fact, suspiciously so.  --RFBailey (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! I knew it was too good to be true! Dewarw (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had to list it at WP:PUI.  --RFBailey (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank heavens for that!  Considering it came from a camera phone, it's not bad at all...... --RFBailey 00:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photo! 

message: Just happened to catch a semi-rebranded Voyager tonight, so took a picture. Only had my fairly poor qualiy camera phone on me, so the picture is anything but of the best quality. However, it is a completely free-use picture, and will do until a better alternative is taken. TheIslander 22:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank heavens for that!  Considering it came from a camera phone, it's not bad at all...... --RFBailey 00:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another new photo

message: Has anyone else noticed that the website has changed? Now seems to be powered by thetrainline - pity, as cheaper fares used to be available direct from CrossCountry. Any other information like when this happened and if it's a permanent thing would be helpful, and if it's indicative of a merger or takeover then this needs noting in the article. dreamcatcher23 (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to work ok for me - maybe a temp thing while the XC website was undergoing maintenance.  Willsmith3  (Talk) 10:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I've just loaded it up now and when you go in to view fares it says powered by thetrainline and it has thetraline's gui on it rather than the crosscountry one which was on last week.... When you search for tickets it redirects to www.crosscountry.trainsfares.co.uk (where www.trainsfares.co.uk redirects to thetrainline). dreamcatcher23 (talk) 00:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On my server using Mozilla Firefox, The CrossCountry fare finder is just powered by the trainline, it doesn't redirect me to the trainline.com. A bit of a mystery here!?!?!?! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Website

message: In the timetable 8 Sept - 13th December 2008 There is only 1 train per hour between the two cities. Is this temporary or permanent? If is the latter the main page should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.30.124 (talk) 14:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Services York to Newcastle 

message: This is just a quick note to let any interested editors know that I've created Cross Country Network as a redirect to CrossCountry network map and changed all the piped references to "Cross Country Network" in the various station rail line info boxes to use the redirect.  If the consensus is that Cross Country Network should point to this page rather than the map, then the redirect can be edited appropriately. Tevildo (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New redirect 

message: It should say what each service calls at, and what they call at when operating extensions. I've memorised what the journey from Aberdeen to Penzance calls at, but it should still say so. It says what First Great Western and East Midlands Trains intercity services call at, you know! Pdiddyjr (talk) 11:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do they call at? 

message: Opening paragraph statement that All services call or terminate at Birmingham New Street is incorrect.  There are services from Bristol to Cardiff, Plymouth to Penzance, Dundee to Aberdeen, Aberdeen to Edinburgh and Cambridge to Stansted that do not go through Birmingham.
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08212/2012/10/09/
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08003/2012/10/09/
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08315/2012/10/09/
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08314/2012/10/09/
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08000/2012/10/09/
http://traintimes.im/rail-service/C08319/2012/10/09/D47817 (talk) 12:50, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The user who added that has a history of making unsourced changes - I think I'd treat anything he added with some suspicion. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Yep, sounds like a good move -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birmingham New Street 

message: There's a problem with the table of routes and I don't know how to fix it. Captain Cornwall (talk) 10:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: done. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route Table problem 

message: thanks for pointing out the ambiguity in my edit. Do you have a suggestion for improved wording? I considered simply swapping "removing" for "redesignating", but that begs the question 'redesignating to what?'. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?  21:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "removing the quiet coach designation from"? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. See what you think now. Feel free to tweak further if you want. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 11:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redesignation of quiet coaches 

message: May need to add new heading for Diagrams in table. FuSSionZ (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stock Table 

message: "CrossCountry services are operated using diesel trains only, since none of the routes it operates is fully electrified." -- a counterexample to this: CrossCountry run the 1C80 service from GLC to EDB on saturdays. This goes via carstairs junction and the route is completely electrified. It is nonetheless serviced by voyagers. Alecjw (talk) 22:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A once-a-week service wouldn't really justify the hiring of an EMU. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Absolutely, but my point was the "since none of the routes it operates is fully electrified" statement is incorrect. "since the majority of .... are not fully electrified" maybe? Alecjw (talk) 19:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It does say route, not service. There are six XC routes - Cardiff to Nottingham, Birmingham to Stansted, Bristol to Manchester, Penzance to Scotland, Bournemouth to Manchester and Bournemouth to Scotland. None of those is fully electrified. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrification of routes 

message: In Section 2.1 there is a table headlined Future Fleet, where, for example Voyagers are said to replace Turbostars on the Cardiff - Nottingham route, and so on, however there is nothing anywhere to say that this is the case and will happen, so, where has this information come from?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BensterNO1 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are no sources for future developments, it's WP:CRYSTALballing and should be removed. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Fleet 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Would it be appropriate to create separate article for CrossCountry Franchise? My proposal would be to have this cover both the 'new' franchise that has operated since 2007 and the original one created on privatisation and would then link to the articles for the TOCs to date (the current Arriva Franchise and the former Virgin one) and also in time to whoever wins the current retender. Without having a separate article it is unclear to be how we can usefully inform people about the progress of the tender and provide a consistent narrative for the franchise over time. Thoughts? PeterEastern (talk) 10:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, yes. The majority of other franchises, if not all, have a separate page from the company actually operating it. I hope to create is soon, ish!--07Alpha55 (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Create separate article for CrossCountry Franchise? 

message: :Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossCountry network map. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the CrossCountry franchise is due to be renewed next year, it needs to be retained on a separate page. It is like the Thameslink operator and the Thameslink route pages, they need to be kept separate. Joshua Marooney (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[CrossCountry network map]] 

message: Does anyone have a verifiable source that someone has actually proposed cascading ex-LNER HST sets or ex-Avanti West Coast Voyagers to CrossCountry? Because these keep being added to the article with no citation, as though it's something that the editor(s) in question want to see rather than anything that's been seriously considered. LostCause231 (talk) 12:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition the current wording ("It is possible that...") seems to fail WP:CRYSTAL with how openly speculative it is, but there's been enough of a back-and-forth on it that I'd rather not get pulled up for an edit war by just removing it as-is without discussion. LostCause231 (talk) 12:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  HST / Voyager cascades 

message: An unregistered editor keeps changing the core. The core in the current time table is Plymouth (trains start as Laira depot) for usual destinations in the North. Two trains at 1015 and 2020 from Paignton; the former to Bristol |and the second to Birmigham. REVUpminster (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Core services. 

message: Can we please find sources to back this up, as the sources used for this say this would happen in 2020 however it is 2021 and these changes did not happen in 2020.
Six of the existing two-car Class 170/5s will be lengthened to three cars in 2021. This is happening as a result of the Class 170s from West Midlands Trains transferring to East Midlands Railway: the centre cars of the six 170/6s transferred to CrossCountry. Maurice Oly (talk) 00:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future rolling stock 

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message: Can anyone please double-check the December '22 timetable to see if I missed anything and add/remove as needed? It's very typical of someone like me not native to the UK to have some confusion with what's listed. Jalen Folf (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service table 

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