Talk:Annals of the Four Masters

message: First time edit for me, just removed a double the in the sentence: 
"that relied on the traditional the Irish upper classes for patronage" 
changed it to:
"that relied on the traditional Irish upper classes for patronage"
If you think I made any errors in how I edited this page just tell me, like I said I'm new at this.
Baudin
* Interesting article. By the way, it is useful to sign your name with the four tildes (~), which also adds the date and time. Further, no need to explain your edits (they are all tracked on the "history" tab of any page). Thanks for helping to strengthen this article (and hopefully more!). Hu Gadarn 15:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: This link - *Irish Genealogical Foundation Photographs and history of original printed editions by Connellan and O'Donovan. was added to the article by the site owner.  In keeping with our external links guidelines I'm moving it here so regular editors of the page can assess and add it back if you think it appropriate.  
The site is obviously commercial, having a link at the bottom to purchase a set of the books.  Because of this I don't believe it is an appropriate link for Wikipedia.  However there is information on the page that could be considered beneficial.  Other opinions? -- Siobhan Hansa 17:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Fintan is reported in the Annals to have lived 5500 years departing the mortal realm in 550 CE so that puts the deluge about 5000 BCE.  I removed the single Hebrew calender designation of A.M. and used BC.  That makes the whole article consistent.  If someone wants to change it to all Hebrew or all Common Era designations... fine.  But the annals are clear about the length of Fintan's life and his departure putting the deluge at 5000 BCE. Alatari (talk) 15:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a ref for this? The translation linked from this article puts the Christian era six years after 5194 AM. It also doesn't mention Fintan dying in 550 CE. Is there another volume you're looking at? --Bazzargh (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His article Fintan mac Bóchra states he lived 5500 years and departed in the 5th century putting the deluge at 5000 B.C. by calculation, although I see no sources listed.  The source you listed doesn't state when the Deluge occurred although it states the age of the world at A.M.5194.  If the Deluge is the beginning of the world then that would be 3194 BC?  I'm not good with A.M. usage and I'd guess neither is the common reader.  Alatari (talk) 14:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The year of the deluge is mentioned - the first entry of the translation puts it as 2242 AM (2958 BC), sorry I'd linked directly to the entries that connect AM to AD/BC. The deluge isn't the date of creation in these myths, it refers to Noah's Flood. There's an article on Anno Mundi that might help with the AM stuff btw, I got here digging for references for that article. Given that theres no references on the Fintan article and the translation of the annals gives the date pretty directly, I'll correct it here and ask User:Auric The Rad if he had another source. After some digging I found that the Fintan story appears to originate in the Lebor na hUidre (translation, here transcribed as 'Finnen'), but I don't see dates.  --Bazzargh (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there's disagreement over the dates depending on the sources.  Another editor pointed that out to me.  See this discussion.  Thanks for taking care of this.  I half expected the citation need to go unnoticed for months and months.  Alatari (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: No problem, thanks for the update. --Bazzargh (talk) 12:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calendar and deluge 

message: Based on this discussion I've made a few changes: links to CELT and archive.org at the same line (after each volume), and a link to  moved to the See also-section. Hope this is an acceptable solution to all. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that looks good. One remaining issue is that CELT in the new text links to the wrong CELT, I'll fix that up. Bazzargh (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online versions and Cite AFM 

message: I'm trying to read in the moment "The Four Masters: Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland Vol. 1 - 7" (2nd Edition 1856) and Duald Mac Fibris "Chronicon Scotorum" (printed 1866). in both Books Years/Dates are given in A.M. but till yet I didn't see when the Startpoint is. I'm not a Specialist, not an Historian - is there anywhere a reliable Site somewhere lisiting the different A.M.-Starts of different irish chronical works? As far as I learned from Wikipedia the Timespan of the Annals of Clonmacnoise (e.g.) starts from 4004 BC, but the Annals of Rioghachta  Éireann should start at 2242 BC (this Articles I have read a couple of years ago, I will look now if this information changed as so often in Wikipedia). These were just examples, so there seems to be big  differences in sight, when the A.M.-Point is. Please forgive me my bad english - I hope I could express myself clear enough. It would be kind if someone could give me an answer soon. -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 12:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  again Calendar 

message: "The reliability and usefulness of the Annals as a historical source has sometimes been questioned by presentists on the grounds that they were limited to accounts of the births, deaths and activities of the Gaelic nobility of Ireland and often ignore wider social trends or events. The reality of life in the Gaelic world was that it was a patrilineal and hierarchical society, and naturally the Annals reflect this."
This is clearly someone's biased academic opinion. The term "presentist" by its nature implies that the article is dismissing the other point of view as invalid. On top of that, opinions like this have to be referenced. Tarchon (talk) 02:36, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this section is mostly a point of view that adds nothing to the article. It doesn't even get the facts correct. Ireland was probably the least patrilinear society of the age. It was however written by Catholic Priests and as such almost certainly had a more patrilinear bent. That would be true of every bit of written history done throughout Europe and later the US until the 20th century. Do we discount all of written history then before the 1900s? Twaddle I say. Doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Celtic hackr (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV/OR in Importance Section