Talk:Sansoen Phra Barami

message: There has been speculation among musicologists that a particular phrase in the lyrics indicate influence by former Prime Minister Sarit Thanarat, who is widely recognized to be in strong favor of the royal family. Sarit had brought back the aura and prestige of the family following its low points after the 1932 revolution.  The lines ธ ประสงค์ใด / จงสฤษดิ์ (Tha Prasong Dai / Chong Sarit), translates to "that whatever he wills / Will come to pass".  The word "Sarit" (spelled exactly the same way in both contexts) is an uncommon Thai word and has not been used with this meaning (to come to pass) in any other writing or lyrics.
While the origins of the composition and lyrics are unclear, it is well know that the practice of playing the royal anthem in theatres (along with the national anthem twice a day) was instituted by none other that Sarit Thanarat.  It is therefore speculated that Sarit Thanarat indeed had a hand in inserting his own name into the national anthem, and was announcing that he would would be the one to make all His Majesty's wishes come to pass. Simondeclares (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarit Thanarat influence 

message: "Until 1932 Phleng Sansoen Phra Barami was the national anthem of Siam, and was then replaced by Phleng Chat. The anthem is still played each morning, evening and at the beginning of each film in the theatre.
What anthem does it refer to; the royal or national one? The national anthem, Phleng Chat, is played twice a day, but not in the theatre. The royal anthem, Phleng Sanseon Phra Barami, is played in the theatre before every film, but, as far as I know, not every morning and evening. CW32 20:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something wrong with this 

message: Phleng means Song. So name of the song should be "Sansoen Phra Barami". As I know, a composer is still unclear. Some say melody of this song was copied from Thai Classical song called "Bulan Loy Luen" composed by King Rama II. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.137.14.42 (talk) 08:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name is wrong and composer is still unclear 

message: There is an extensive catalogue of a variety of variations on the Royal Anthem in an audio-video mix played at cinemas across Thailand. These vary from a child singing to a jazz-inflected pieces.
Can these be catalogued and sourced for this article? Does anyone know where they can be bought...?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.131.217.33 (talk) 12:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio-music versions guide 

message: A user added tones to the transcription of the song, but I wonder how helpful this is to non-Thai readers. The melody of the song pretty much nullifies these tones, and the accents used are probably incomprehensible to laymen. Also, the headline now says "Thai transliteration (RTGS)", but the Royal Thai General System of Transcription does not record tones. I would feel bad however just to undo this piece of work. Solution anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.230.144 (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tones in transcription 

message: I am curious about the second transcription of the name of the Royal anthem: The Thai is เพลงสรรเสริญพระบารมี, and this is transcribed as Phleng Sanrasoen Phra Barami. I am wondering if there hasn't been made a mistake in the second word (first if you don't count the phleng): Sanrasoen. With my (limited) knowledge of Thai I would have transcribed it as saroen or, given that ro ruea is silent after many so suea: soen (as in the first transcription). So, what I would like to know: In my eyes, writing sanrasoen seems to imply an inversion of the r and the second s, am I mistaken here, and is it simply a case of the last ro ruea of the ro han being pronounced twice? V85 (talk) 19:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a typo; depending on one's views, it may be either a common mispronunciation which has made its way into the dictionary, or an accepted alternative pronunciation. There are a few ro han words like this. ภรรยา is the first to come to mind (correct pronunciation is [พัน-ยา] (phanya), though [พัน-ระ-ยา] (phanraya) is also acceptable). --Paul_012 (talk) 14:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting example, when I learnt the word ภรรยา the รร was treated as two ร and not as ro han, giving the pronunciation ผอนฺระยา/ผนฺระยา. I see several of the iw links call the song 'Phleng Sansasoen'; is this also an acceptable transcription or is that a misunderstanding? V85 (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcription of name 

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