Talk:Patrick Macnee

message: Well, what can I say, it says "English born American Actor"... that is a nonesense statement.  Patrick is English, he has works in TV and film world wide, through the Avengers and other series.
He has even appeared in Music video's for English bands, such as Oasis, as such I find fault in this description of him as "American Actor" and will remove it forth with.
I only leave this discussion stub, as I know how protective of good talent the American race are, but unfortunately, he is English.
-- Xelous 6th August 2007.
Now I really don't get it, it has been edited to English/American Actor, what is this passion to make Patrick American, he's not, he's English, he's just worked in America.  Would we call Sean Connery an Scottish/American Actors because he happens to have worked in America?.. No, Sean is Scottish... and Patrick is English, I feel the article needs to remove the American reference to this person and leave it like that, not keep dancing around that he is American, when he is clearly not.
-- Xelous 16th August 2007.
According to the entry, he's been a US citizen since 1959. That makes him a bit American, doesn't it? Widmerpool 06:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If one has American citizenship, one is accurately described as "American", just as one may call someone who is 6'10" (208 cm) "tall" without worrying that the person may "identify" as "short". You're taking the substitution of how one identifies for the standard use of adjectivesto describe the qualities that they're commonly understood to connote, whether it be to describe a rock, a leaf, a bird, or a personto extremes. Largoplazo (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard to imagine a less typical "American actor", nor one who typifies the English gent more than Macnee. Perhaps we have Steed to blame for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll assume that's intended as a pleasantry and not an argument for basing nationalities given in bios on stereotypes rather than objective criteria.  Largoplazo (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it helps to be pleasant, at least occasionally. I think many people would be surprised that he was an American. That wasn't always the case, was it? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Engish Born American Actor" 

message: "He also did an introduction for Scrooge, a 1953 Christmas film which was made in colour by The Sun." Does this make sense to anyone? Since when did The Sun newspaper make movies? And The Sun wasn't even in existence in 1953. Does anyone know what's going on here? Widmerpool 06:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a hoax. There's no such film listed in IMDb, so I deleted it. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that he was in the classic 1951 version though. Clarityfiend 07:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scrooge

message: I have removed the entry stating that Patrick Macnee would not have 'anything to do with firearms' after his service in WW2. His John Steed character was rarely involved in gun play simply to maintain the character. There is a good source listing Patrick Macnee's use of firearms within his acting roles http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Patrick_Macnee  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.45.172 (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently he made a distinction between carrying one and using one that was laying around? I really wish the IMFDb database had listed the actual episodes; it would be easier to check the circumstances. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, the IMFDb is a wiki, it isn't an admissible source. The issue should be mentioned though. Philip Cross (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of firearms 

message: On mother, I have changed her name from 'Dorothea Mary Hastings' to 'Dorothea Mabel Henry' - Mabel is her correct middle name (although she was sometimes called Mary) and Hastings was the surname on Dorothea's mother's side of the family.  Macnee's autobiography confirms his maternal grandfather had the surname 'Henry' at page 84, and see:  http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_births-and-baptisms?firstname=dorothea&lastname=henry&yearofbirth=1896&yearofbirth_offset=0.
I have changed 'divorced' to 'separated' as I can find no trace of a divorce.  No mention of one in Macnee's autobiography and Dorothea inherits the bulk of Daniel's estate on his death in 1952. (autobiography page 171)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helensq (talk • contribs) 21:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think my new rendering "began to identify as a lesbian" is acceptable, and not woolly. I have a habit of deleting British honours (Sir, Lord, Dame, etc) when they are applied to an individual long before they received a knighthood or peerage, which is why I used the term "in this case" in my edit summary. In the same way that the n-word would be normally unacceptable, even when non-anachronistic, I thought "declared her lesbianism and took up company", in the earlier version, was somewhat pejorative and insensitive, so I changed it. Philip Cross (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macnee’s mother… 

message: I have removed :File:Patrick_Macnee_in_Lobster_man_from_Mars.jpg as the leading portrait photograph, prompt action seems appropriate as the image will be much in demand for obituaries. The image had been marked as public domain in 2007 based on an OTRS correspondence which has been challenged. A fair use claim cannot apply as there are other photographs available (in line with BDP). See :c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Patrick Macnee in Lobster man from Mars.jpg. --Fæ (talk) 13:15, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How tragic. Lobster Man from Mars sounds so much more exciting than Beige Raincoated Detective from LA. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is another rather nice portrait at c:Patrick Macnee of him in The Avengers with Linda Thorson. If anyone wants to put in the leg-work, it could be that we can get a release for several film stills from the director (the original OTRS correspondent in 2007), or indeed get several completely different shots of Macnee released on Commons (we have no amateur personal photographs, for example). --Fæ (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Tricky choice for the weekend... OTRS, or DIY root-canal work with no anaesthetic. I'll let you know. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spooky, broke a tooth yesterday and the earliest the dentist can see me is Monday. It's a good comparison for OTRS. --Fæ (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hope it's only cosmetic Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait 

message: The Daily Mail says that he "died of natural causes": . But this has been removed from the article as "Not a cause of death". Is this correct? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The field from what I understand is for specific causes of death, eg. stroke, heart attack, pneumonia, etc.. "Natural causes" just states that he died naturally and that his death was not unnatural (eg. injury/homicide), which really isn't considered a cause of death, imo. It's fine to mention in the prose, but I think it's unnecessary for the infobox unless it's a specific cause. Connormah (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A logical fallacy, of course, since without the normal, there can be no exceptions. Good job Wikipedia never has to be trusted. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: Why does the article not mention that Patrick MacNee was an enthusiastic nudist? HandsomeMrToad (talk) 01:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, with a reference.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 01:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Is The Daily Beast really considered a good WP:RS? The claim appears in only a single mention: ".. lived most of his life in Southern California, where he enjoyed the climate and—having decided his sexual and personal development had been distorted by his childhood—became an enthusiastic nudist." Is there any corroboration elsewhere? And I think the preferred term is naturist. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Nudist

message: Macnee is listed as playing Holmes a second time in "the 1996 TV film Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Temporal Nexus", which is a red link. Does this movie even exist? I cannot find any proof that it does, even IMDb doesn't list it, while this page lists it as "never filmed". --Newblackwhite (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the name was changed since being shown at the 1996 Cannes Film Market, there exists a 1996 TV Movie/Documentary called "In the Footsteps of Sherlock Holmes" which is available as a 90 minute DVD from Amazon (B000BJ88AE), is listed on imdb (tt1618378) and is hosted by Patrick Macnee. But it is not currently listed on his page. My guess would be that after it was sold the placeholder title was probably changed to better match the actual content. 109.255.81.75 (talk) 07:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Temporal Nexus 

message: Hi, I'm new, been trying out Ref converter and been relatively successfully until Patrick Macnee's page, all refs bar 1 have vanished. How do I start to get it rollbacked? Any help is greatly appreciated. Warm regards. ( Amnesiac radar (talk) 19:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing references 

message: I expanded the lead, which was tagged as too short, to include more of an overview of the article.
McCoygetz (talk) 22:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Lead 

message: Why does the article repeatedly refer to his "female assistants" in The Avengers TV series?  Both Mrs Gale and Mrs Peel were explicitly designed to be equal *partners*, not assistants, and the producers, writers, and Macnee himself have been careful to always refer to them as such. 2.31.162.93 (talk) 10:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistants? No 

message: In the photo above the info box his face is very dark, almost to the point of him not being recognizable. Is a better one available? RASAM (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening picture 

message: I've rewritten the introduction to correct the issue of it being too long. Have left the alert on for now so others can judge whether it's now short enough. Also noticed a lot of sloppy writing and repetition in the old version; it cited the Avengers as having 8 series (it had 6,) mentioned his film roles in This Is Spinal Tap and A View to a Kill twice, in seperate paragraphs, yet also left out things like his top 10 single. Hopefully this new one is acceptable. FreeBard42 (talk) 11:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction