Talk:Division Series

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - per rational given here. The series are proper nouns with the given context of the article. Skipple ☎ 19:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are the CBS and ESPN side-by-side number of usage that show that they consistently uppercase which you got your example from, I can't locate it. But here, more importantly, is Major League Baseball's uppercase naming of the Division Series (which follows their uppercasing of World Series and League Championship Series). Respectfully and without insults, thinking that the official Major League Baseball uppercase style should be ignored seems less than encyclopedic. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Randy, what are you trying to ask?  Nobody has claimed that CBS Sport or ESPN consistently uses uppercase (nor lowercase) for these terms. Dicklyon (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

text: ESPN uses lowercase (, , , , , , , , , , , ) more consistently than CBS Sports does (, , , , , , , ).  Both clearly treat capitalization as optional when not in the context of AL or NL.  Dicklyon (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

text: The NYTimes, on the other hand, seems to be completely consistent in using lowercase; like they actually have a house style (like we do).  They are less consistent with "league championship series". Dicklyon (talk) 17:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I haven't changed my position, on this matter. GoodDay (talk) 00:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with my grasp of the English language and MOS:SPORTSCAPS. Nemov (talk) 00:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't see anything concrete that makes me feel that there is common standardization. I'm not devastated either way. My gut feeling is the article describes formal events, which should be styled as a proper noun. Skipple ☎ 00:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I stated my peace. I feel zero need to add to my !vote. Frankly, the ping is obnoxious badgering because you clearly saw that there was no consensus for this move and any closer would clearly close this as no move, and it would be a perfectly correct close. Please don't ever ping me again. oknazevad (talk) 00:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur that the badgering needs to stop. It's bad enough that so many NCAA tournament pages were moved recently with very little publicity of the move discussions, and most of those were year titles of tournaments, which are clearly proper names. Now this. Enough is enough, and I'm considering how to challenge those other recent moves. Given the opposition expressed here, it should be quite easy to overturn them. BilCat (talk) 03:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: If anything, my position is even more entrenched now. O.N.R. (talk) 12:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Additional context: Major League Baseball holds an active trademark on "League Championship Series" along with active service marks on "American League Championship Series" and "National League Championship Series". Registration numbers 3732837, 1541956, and 1541948, respectively, with USPTO. Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of curiosity, would you mind taking a look to see what trademarks are active for Wild Card, Wild Card Game, and Wild Card Series and how these trademarks are stylized? I'm not sure where how you are searching on these registration numbers, or I would do it myself. Courtesy ping for @GoodDay.Skipple ☎ 16:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

text: MLB also holds both an active trademark and an active service mark on "Division Series". Registration numbers 3628857 and 2149819 at USPTO. Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 11 September 2022 

message: Dmoore5556, thanks for finding a guideline-based reason for the capitalization of Division Series.  Not that it's a proper noun, but that it's a trademark of MLB for "G & S: entertainment services in the nature of baseball exhibitions." (that's for registration number 3628857; the other is for apparel like hats, tee shirts, and visors).  So per MOS:TM, we cap it.  Dicklyon (talk) 04:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Just stop already. Your crusade is tiresome and empty-headed. This is what I mentioned above about not accepting disagreement. Enough with the useless time sink. Move on with your life. WP:DEADHORSE territory. oknazevad (talk) 09:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what your "No" refers to.  Are you disagreeing with my statement that there's no trademark on "League Championship Series"?  Or just disagreeing with th idea that we should follow guidelines?  It would be easier for me to accept disagreement if I could get a clear idea what we diasgree on. Dicklyon (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you shouldn't bother trying to re-litigate something that was just decided with clear consensus. No, you should not waste everybody's time. And most importantly, no, you aren't the only one following guidelines. Your interpretation is not automatically correct. oknazevad (talk) 02:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Agree with @Oknazevad. League Championship Series is the name of an event and a proper noun as far as I'm concerned. The English language isn't a physics equation. Sporting events are considered proper nouns in American English so attempting to impose some rule on these articles is a huge time sink and time should be applied somewhere else. Nemov (talk) 00:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "as far as I'm concerned" is in the guidelines. Dicklyon (talk) 02:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I obviously can only speak for myself, but based on multiple editors asking you to WP:DROPTHESTICK, I am not alone. Nemov (talk) 03:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

text: There are no reasonable grounds for "Wild Card Series" to not be treated as a proper noun at the moment. The series starts in a week, so at the very least, we should wait to see how it's covered by sources. O.N.R. (talk) 11:33, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Service mark