Talk:War crimes in occupied Poland during World War II

message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. Additionally, there are numerous sections that are just "see also". They should be filled with content for this article to be comprehensive. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: The article is incomprehensible in its present form. All there is, is an out of control barrage of internal links split into superfluous themes. Unnecessary bullet points constantly break the train of thought. The article needs prose, not just "tidbits" of data. Poeticbent talk 04:40, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum: I'm trying to make this article read like a concise, yet comprehensive compilation of a body of knowledge. Please bear with me. It's a slow going process. Poeticbent talk 06:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Also, I would like to thank user  and others for compiling the raw data included in this article, because without specifics, this would only be a mere fork ready to be merged back into other similar articles in this series. Poeticbent talk 19:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with article, September 2013 

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Thanks, Poeticbent talk 21:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia:B-Class criteria

message: Few citations are needed, cite requests added. See also seems too long, please make sure there are no duplicate links and incorporate as much of it as possible into the body. Some references need proper formatting, for example  only has a title, ditto for  (which also raises a reliability flag). At least one url ref is bare. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-GA comments 

message: The article name is misleading, there are no burglaries, thefts, fraud offences etc recorded. Suggest rename to World War II war crimes in occupied Poland or similar. Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * You're correct about this except that the two "war" "war" nouns put side by side probably sounded cumbersome to the earlier editors. Would you have any alternative suggestions? How about War crimes in occupied Poland during World War II? — Poeticbent talk 19:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that works Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . Poeticbent talk 22:33, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name misleading 

message: Gday. Per WP:LEADLENGTH an article of this size (100 kb) should have approx 3-4 paragraphs. This one only has one very short paragraph at this stage so it doesn't really summarise the article. I'm not familiar enough with the content to fix this, but if anyone else is looking for a way to assist the improvement of this article that might be a place to start. Anotherclown (talk) 10:24, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: I have reverted the "promotion" of this article to GA status, for reasons explained here. I would ask that any discussion of this take place on the GAN talk page, not here, but I appreciate that some interested in this article may not have been aware of that discussion. J Milburn (talk) 15:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article "promotion" 

message: This article talks about Poles and Jews as if they were different. No matter what their religion they were all Polish. I have attempted to give some balance by using for example; "50 Poles, seven of them Jews" etc. Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Jews are also an ethnicity - separate from religion - there are Christian Jews.HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews were also Poles 

message: As I finally begin my copy-edit/proofread/peer review of this article, I'd like to thank @, @, and @ for stepping in on such short notice to help improve the article. I would have gladly helped out myself, but I was plenty busy trying to mediate an incredibly acrimonious dispute. AmericanLemming (talk) 03:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A belated thank-you 

message: * "for the first time since the end of the war categorized as violations of fundamental human values and norms" When were they last categorized as violations of fundamental human values and norms? During the war? Before the war?
I keep thinking about the issue of listing all known incidents of civilian killings, and I admit we want to put a face on the victims. But an article isn't really the place to do that. I've said this before, but what do you think of starting an article titled [List of war crimes in occupied Poland during World War II]]? It would make this article much easier to read. AmericanLemming (talk) 04:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   Poeticbent talk 22:53, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @: My apologies for not getting back to you yet. I hope to do so tomorrow afternoon, although I might not finish the peer review itself until the end of the week. I've been a little busy with my studies. AmericanLemming (talk) 07:29, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @: Update: I will not be able to look at the article this afternoon, but I will do so tonight. I will look at all the changes you've made since I began the peer review and determine whether or not I think you've addressed the comments you say are done. I apologize once again for the delay. AmericanLemming (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @: Update: I'm going to begin looking over your changes now. Since you are in the middle of working on the article, I'll try to stay out of your way and only edit the talk page for now. AmericanLemming (talk) 06:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   Welcome back, . Please go ahead, it's all yours, until tomorrow. Poeticbent talk 06:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

text: @: Update: I've now finished looking at all the edits you've made so far this week, copy-edited them as I saw the need to, and moved all of the comments which I consider to now be addressed. Feel free to revert any of my edits; you know a lot more about this topic than I do, and I may have accidentally introduced some factual errors. I will probably continued the peer review starting Thursday or Friday night, but I'll try to keep up with any additional changes you make to the article between now and then. AmericanLemming (talk) 08:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

text: @: Update: I don't think I'll be able to continue the peer review, or at least not anytime soon. I undertook it mainly to cheer you up after the disastrous GA review, and I thought that I would be able to finish it before my professors really started piling on the work. However, I was wrong in that regard; I'm taking second semester organic chemistry, organic chemistry lab, advanced German conversation, advanced Spanish conversation, and sociology, and I really don't have time to do the article justice. I'm sorry for saying that I would do a peer review and then not keeping my word, but real life trumps Wikipedia editing, I'm afraid. I'd still be willing to co-nominate Treblinka at FAC if you want (I even have a blurb all ready for the renomination). Let me know what you think. AmericanLemming (talk) 04:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * I totally understand. Good luck with your studies. They are infinitely more important than this. I have also continued editing this article in order to offset the bad feelings from recent past. I think I can continue with whatever comments you've made, not to mention those left by MarcusBritish before his block. Please let me know when your schedule would again allow you to return to addressing the anticipated new comments resulting from Treblinka FAC renomination. I'm sure you have a pretty good idea about the timeframe of your college obligations.  We'll wait with new FAC until then. Poeticbent talk 05:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Regarding the various smaller killings, rather than attempting to list them all it would be better to summarise them. eg a sentence or two alogn the lines of "as well as the larger massacres, [insert number] were killed in incidents in [another number] of small settlements between [date] and [another date]". GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:17, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  First third: Sections 1-3 

message: * "The Selbstschutz, along with SS units, took an active part in the mass murders in Piaśnica, in which between 12,000 and 16,000 Polish civilians were murdered." This sentence, along with the one before it, probably needs an inline citation. AmericanLemming (talk) 04:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second third: Sections 4-6 

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message: My impression from a brief perusal is that this article failed Good Article 3 years ago seemingly at least partly to placate a very combative reviewer who shortly thereafter got indefinitely banned from Wikipedia for that kind of behavior. With 3 years of subsequent mods, and that reviewer no longer a problem, is it time to renominate? (Note: I won't be doing so myself as I know far too little about the criteria, and am not particularly interested in whether it passes or fails - I'm just mildly interested in what, if anything, the fate of the article may or may not tell us about the effect of certain kinds of editor on Wikipedia). Tlhslobus (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it time to renominate this for Good Article status? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The Germans burned about 2,000 Jews in the Great Synagogue (Białystok) on 27 June 1941, so the problem didn't start in 1943.  Xx236 (talk) 12:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres 

message: I have removed the links from Ukrainian section.
Xx236 (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponary and Glinciszki were Lithuanian crimes 

message: * The names of criminals should be added, e.g. that of German General Government governor Hans Frank.
* A section about punishments should be added. The Nuremberg trials included German crimes committed in occupied Poland. Xx236 (talk) 09:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responsibility and punishments 

message: The phrase is unsourced and put into wrong place.Xx236 (talk) 07:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The author is blocked, so I'm removing the phrase.Xx236 (talk) 08:54, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the course of the Kielce cemetery massacre 45 Jewish children were shot by the Germans on a cemetery 

message: The link has been removed by Icewhiz https://en.truthaboutcamps.eu/ > I believe that the link should be used. Xx236 (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Added by an editor with a COI (+ involved in socking). This is a partisan source maintained by a revisionist organization engaged in public diplomacy - it shouldn't be here. Icewhiz (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

text: It's your opinion. I don't write here my opinion about your vandalism in tens of pages. Xx236 (talk) 08:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Is Yad Vashem much better than the IPN?Xx236 (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Name one error in https://en.truthaboutcamps.eu/ and I'll demand correction of it. Xx236 (talk) 08:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

text: You  reject any information about German crimes. It's a form of Holocaust revisionism. Xx236 (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam or vandalism? 

message: I don't know the memorial. It's from Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp. The monument isn't notable, it isn't described in this Wikipedia. The picture should be iconic. Auschwitz or destroied Warsaw?Xx236 (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not both Since the Auschwitz 2 camp picture  is one of the most iconic pictures of history and then the Warsaw picture Jack90s15 (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please change the picture.Xx236 (talk) 11:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: To what? and I am not good with doing pictures I am sill learning  Jack90s15 (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed, is it O.K.?Xx236 (talk) 08:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   Is there any way to get both in the info box ? Jack90s15 (talk) 22:26, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Warsaw contains a number of pictures in the infobox. But such synthesis should be studious, a bllck-and-white plus a color picture don't look good.Xx236 (talk) 10:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorial to victims of Nazism in occupied Poland during World War II, Kraków 

message: I added citation to the caption of the image portraying the Lwów victims: . I had originally made a correction because the previous caption stated: 
* -- diff.
Given that pre-war Poland was a multi-ethnic stated, it's worthwhile to provide this additional information. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the previous caption was problematic (WP:OR), but so is the current one (). We don't know who are the victims in the photo, maybe Poles, maybe Ukraininas, maybe Jews, maybe some other ethnicity. And a caption is not the best place for discussion of Lviv's ethnicity composition. At the very least I suggest moving the sentence about the ethnic composition to the article's body, where it would be more relevant, assuming there is of course a good place for such an note in this article. PS. Are you sure that the added source is reliable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved / expanded the text: . I also fixed my error in re: location; I must have misremembered since the content/source comes from Lviv pogroms (1941). The source looks reliable; its publisher is Amsterdam University Press. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:43, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  NKVD massacres 

message: The news services have issued a story about the bodies of seven nuns found murdered by Soviets after the re-conquest of Poland in WWII - from what I've seen so far, they are sensationalist and lacking scholarly prose - but, that may change in the coming days - any editors interested? --> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/archaeologists-uncover-skeletons-catholic-nuns-who-were-murdered-russian-soldiers-wwii-180977184/HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm - looks like the Polish story was issued in Nov 2020?  >> https://poszukiwania.ipn.gov.pl/bbp/aktualnosci/15631,Olsztyn-Poszukiwania-szczatkow-siostr-zakonnych-ofiar-sowieckich-zolnierzy.html?search=80150832605  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.51.247 (talk) 16:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 9 2021 - murdered nuns story 

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message: So, this article states that the number of poles that were killed by Germans for sheltering Jews was 1335, listed in the Jewish ghettos section.
However, this article claims the total number throughout the entire war years was 800. 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939
It cites the Ryszard Walczak et al. (eds.), Those Who Helped: Polish Rescuers of Jews During the Holocaust (Warszawa: IPN, 1997).
What should be done? FIREYSUNSET (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of poles killed by Germans for sheltering Jews