Talk:Dardania (Balkans)

message: The following sentence makes no sense, I have no idea where it comes from but there is no such word as 'producted' in English...:
During the Aurelian Dardanorum and Trajan, in Dardanian mines was producted Metalli Vlpiani and Metalli Dardanici.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.220.101.142 (talk) 19:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

message: Will we ever be able to verify whether pear-trees actually do "abound in the area"? And did they "abound in the area" in ancient times? Needs more verification. Alexander 007 10:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I am a registered user, but I don't feel like logging in. I am skeptical of the Albanian etymology of Dardania as I am skeptical of most of these very hypothetical etymologies; but I never implied that it is pseudo-linguistics or outdated linguistics (it might be as of 2006, I don't know). My understanding was that some specialists in the field consider or formerly considered such an etymology. In a book, The Illyrians, by a British archaeologist John Wilkes, the Albanian etymology of Dardania (from dardhë, "pear") is mentioned without comment on its veracity on page 85 of the first printing. Also, it is my understaning that the word  does also mean "cheese",  besides "pear". If so, this could offer another explanation of the original meaning. 69.224.116.250 22:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi User who is registered but doesn't feel like logging in, hypothetical are all ancient etymologies. But one should try to interprete  them with the language of the local inhabitants, to see any connection. And clearly there is. I am not sure the same word can mean both pear and cheese. Does not make senseIlir pz 22:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't know. It may be a freak of memory. But if someone does verify the additional meaning, see this quote "References to Dardanian cheese, a famous and widely exported product, also testify to a large shepherding population." However, interpreting ancient toponyms through languages currently spoken in the area is in fact  very hazardous, and has led to numerous folk etymologies, such as those Illyrian toponyms interpreted through Serbian or Croatian, or ancient Macedonian or Paionian through Slavic. Even apparently "clear" cases may be completely wrong, as in the case of Ljubljana in Slovenia; most linguists reject the popular Slavic etymology (from ljubiti, etc.). 69.224.116.250 23:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interpretations, interpretations...never ending argument. True that folk etymologies are inevitable in this case. It is true that there are several sources that show the population in Dardania were good at making cheese, but we are talking about the name Dardania itself. That is what I was saying earlier. Not sure how familiar you are with Albanian language, but the name "Dardhë" does mean pear, and usually adjectives in Albanian are made using the "ria" ending, and typically of northern dialect "nia", so the name becomes "Dardhania" (as it refers to northern Albanians). I can see a connection at least.Ilir pz 23:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Land where [[Pear]]-trees Abound

message: What is this connection (that has been brought only recently) between Kosovo and Dardania? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HRE this connection has not been brought recently. Of course it is recent for you, if you have read only Serbian history. For the comment below, simple answer, lying and speculating is a lame characteristic. About Kosovo will its people decide how they want to call it. Cheers, HRE. Ilir pz 14:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, no, you misunderstood me. I was refering to why is this strange romantic nationalistic "Dardanism". I have seen loads of Albanian users lik "Dardanv" and there's even a WikiProject:Dardania instead of Kosovo. It reminds me of the Illyrian movement or the Aryan movement. Why is this age arising, I meant to ask? --HolyRomanEmperor 13:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dardan is a popular name in Kosovo, HRE, just like my name Ilir, or Artan, or Alban, or Teuta,...these are all names of people. Not any kind of strange romantic or nationalistic thing. Just as Sers proudly say they are Slavs, Albanians are explaining their roots in the region. I don't see any nationalism here. No need to speculate. Ilir pz 14:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Uhh, Ilir, "romantic nationalism" is the era of dreams, writing poetry, acting world's most famous dramas and composing the greatest omnibi of the History of Music - Classism... --HolyRomanEmperor 16:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What is strange about it then?Ilir pz 09:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo-Dardania 

message: I think it is irrelevant. Check Category:Ancient Roman Provinces. 
--Manojlo 18:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of modern state and regions as ir/relevant point for Dardania article? 

message: I just edited text with compromise changes. 
Noel Malcom can't be cited on pears issue, because reference is only to amazon.com. 
And, that is my second bigger edit, Roman provinces are not to be part of history of modern states, provinces, regions, nations. Category reffering to History of Kosovo, Macedonia, Serbia, Albania, etc. were deleted. As I stressed above that is the principle carried through every other Roman province in the Wikipedia.
I kept A. Bue reffering to link between pears and Dardania, despite I hold that irrelevant. 
I kept it because I see it is very important for some users. It is also my personal try to settle things down.
--Manojlo 12:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a book, Manojlo, I have it. If you wanna buy it, get it from Amazon. You are not trying to settle anything down, but trying any Albanian (or Kosovo)related article to make it sound Serbian. That is not very kind of you, thus intolerable. Ilir pz 13:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noel Malcolm wrote a book on Kosovo, no matter what he is. And he is a respected writer. You cannot publish a book in Internet. So you have to buy it if you care. Feel free to read reviews if you are interested. 13:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: hehehehheheh now that is called a special type of vandalism, ironizing to extremes. Not pear but cheese. You are going too far man/woman. Your source is obvious, and can be seen from the airplane that is pro-Serbian, and as such is made for exactly the purpose you are using wikipedia, to make albanian-related articles as "serbianated" as possible. Not gonna work, not as long as my fingers can type here. Ilir pz 18:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise? 

message: Who is A. Boue?
--Manojlo 18:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Ami Boué. Telex 22:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Horrible revert war. You people should learn to talk. Leshkuq 00:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Boue 

message: ...because it is the 21st century and highly unusual to do such things. --HolyRomanEmperor 10:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ilir's note... 

message: According to Noel Malckom, the name of Dardania comes from special kind of cheese. Reference added here http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/istorija/malkolm/djankovic-facts.html and in the text.
In the case of Roman provinces, history of modern regions or states as categories, are unusual. See, for instace, other provinces, such as: Pontus, Galatia Caria. Neither has category History of Turkey. So, Dardania should't have Category History of Serbia, or History of Kosovo.
--Manojlo 13:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dardania means special kind of cheese 

message: *http://historia.shqiperia.com/iliret/mbreteria_dardanise.php
*http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/12003.jpgEjte 02:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice map Ejte. Do you think you can get the copyrights, to publish them here? Ilir pz 10:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material 

message: I've removed the WP:OR claim about the Greek mythological figure "Dardanos" as the alleged etymology of "Dardania"/"Dardanoi". It was completely unsourced, and the claim that it is the "most likely" origin is obviously POV. In fact, it's most probably nonsense. All ancient tribes had eponymic founder figures in Greek mythology (from "Hellen" and his various sons representing the Greek tribes (Dorus, Aeolus etc.), to Thrax, Illyrius, Pelasgus, Aegyptus, Libya and so on so forth. Obviously, all those countries were not named after the legendary figures, but the legendary figures after the countries. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was introduced into the article by User:Dardanos 6th January 2007, no citation. Lisa the Sociopath 20:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to mention the eponymic founder of Pustec... Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Many names the Greeks gave to tribes and peoples were exonyms.For example Aegyptus was a mythological charakter but Aegypt was not called Aegypt by its people.Megistias (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology, again 

message: :The map given is of the roman provinces......Megistias (talk) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map is not proper