Wikipedia talk:Multilingual coordination

message: I wonder how to get 6500 languages encoded with just two characters... Right now I think it's at least good to realize that this is impossible. So that there can be some anticipation and acceptance of 3- or more-letter codings for languages.
--Guaka 13:35 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Standards are good: RFC 3066: Tags for the Identification of Languages --Brion 19:04 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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Two things:
* would someone update the statistics ?
* Romanica Wikipedia which is listed as an active one since May redirects to the Main Page of the English one
Thank you,
Kpjas 07:51 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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I finished translating the Albanian Wikipedia (http://sq.wikipedia.org) and it is all set up to work (but there are 0 articles :). Is there a central place where this could be announced and automatically added everywhere, or does it have to be manually included everywhere? ¬ Dori 15:59, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: 6500 > 676 = 26*26

message: I have noticed that there is a language coded "minnan:", using more than three characters. Its multilingual link does not go with the other languages, but stands out in the main text. For an example, see the project page of this discussion, notice the "other languages" box and the bottom of the main text.  Is there any plan to fix it?
-- Felix Wan 23:49, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language code: minnan 

message: === Contributors per million Internet users ===
"For what it's worth I tried to establish the ratio of active contributors
per equal number of internet users that speak that language.
So per language the figure shows that one of x thousand native speakers with
internet access contributed to Wikipedia in that language
 Polish          22
 German          31
 Dutch           39
 Hebrew          40
 Danish          44
 Swedish         49
 Catalan         49
 French          49
 Finnish         51
 English         53
 Norwegian       55
 Hungarian       94
 Romanian       109
 Slovenian      117
 Italian        166
 Japanese       168
 Czech          216
 Spanish        236
 Vietnamese     367
 Greek          386
 Portugues      431
 Russian        638
 Chinese        687
 Turkish        725
 Arabic         870
 Malay          967
 Korean        2920
For contributors I used wikistats from  Feb 26 (counts registered users > 10
edits)
For internet users per language, I used figures from Global Reach (2003)
Of course I don't know how exact these figures are,
but I assume they did some homework.
Note: the GR figures list native speakers, so languages with
international appeal would show lower participation ratios (higher numbers
in the table) if all web users that might be inclined to use that language
were taken into account.  GR mentions India specifically as a country where the web language is English and not Hindi."
I received as comment that Global Reach data for Polish data were from 2001, others from 2002/2003, but even then they sat on top:
"Even when we take the 2004 forecast of 9 million Polish internet users
instead of the 2001 figure of 6.9 milllion,
the pl: ratio is 1 contributor per 29 thousand, which still makes pl: first
on the list." Erik Zachte 15:35, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. I have had a feeling that Polish and German contributors are particularily active in Wikipedia, and that Poland and Germany are in some way "overrepresented" here. I only wish some of them were more focused on constructive work rather than Polish-German edit wars (like Talk:Gdansk).--Kpalion 16:43, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: "For what it's worth I tried to establish the ratio of active contributors
per equal number of internet users that speak that language.
So per language the figure shows that one of x thousand native speakers with
internet access contributed to Wikipedia in that language
 Polish          22
 German          31
 Dutch           39
 Hebrew          40
 Danish          44
 Swedish         49
 Catalan         49
 French          49
 Finnish         51
 English         53
 Norwegian       55
 Hungarian       94
 Romanian       109
 Slovenian      117
 Italian        166
 Japanese       168
 Czech          216
 Spanish        236
 Vietnamese     367
 Greek          386
 Portugues      431
 Russian        638
 Chinese        687
 Turkish        725
 Arabic         870
 Malay          967
 Korean        2920
For contributors I used wikistats from  Feb 26 (counts registered users > 10
edits)
For internet users per language, I used figures from Global Reach (2003)
Of course I don't know how exact these figures are,
but I assume they did some homework.
Note: the GR figures list native speakers, so languages with
international appeal would show lower participation ratios (higher numbers
in the table) if all web users that might be inclined to use that language
were taken into account.  GR mentions India specifically as a country where the web language is English and not Hindi."
I received as comment that Global Reach data for Polish data were from 2001, others from 2002/2003, but even then they sat on top:
"Even when we take the 2004 forecast of 9 million Polish internet users
instead of the 2001 figure of 6.9 milllion,
the pl: ratio is 1 contributor per 29 thousand, which still makes pl: first
on the list." Erik Zachte 15:35, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. I have had a feeling that Polish and German contributors are particularily active in Wikipedia, and that Poland and Germany are in some way "overrepresented" here. I only wish some of them were more focused on constructive work rather than Polish-German edit wars (like Talk:Gdansk).--Kpalion 16:43, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contributors per million Internet users 

message: Here are the numbers of articles in a selection of Wikipedias by numbers of speakers (excluding artificial languages):
Language - Wikipedia articles per million speakers
#Danish - 3105
#Estonian  - 2641
#Swedish - 2405
#Slovenian - 1906
#Catalan - 1058
#Dutch - 993
#Hebrew - 895
#English - 655
#Croatian - 599
#Finnish - 596
#Polish - 520
#German  - 436
#French  - 374
#Japanese - 250
#Romanian - 145
#Italian - 111
#Spanish - 54
#Chinese - 5
--Kpalion
This is interesting statistics. Do you know what are the current figures? --Romanm 13:54, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles per million speakers 

message: Hi. Can somebody please organise for nn.wikipedia.org to be included in various :meta:Statistics data? It was created July 31 and is already proving to be quite active. It would be nice to have today's data for future reference. I would like nn: to be added to:
* Data in the form of http://wikimedia.org/stats/[site-url]/, i.e. http://wikimedia.org/stats/nn.wikipedia.org/
* Data as seen in the tables in e.g. http://www.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/Sitemap.htm
Cheers! BjarteSorensen 06:23, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for statistics data for nn.wikipedia.org 

message: Hi! I can't seem to locate the equivalent. Administrator Dodo has unilatarally deleted portions of Lupang Hinirang in the Spanish site. I already wrote some admins. Thanks.--Jondel 01:55, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC of Spanish Wikipedia

message: Zulu was started in the future (2005), wikipedia can predict like nobody else. 24.201.116.26 03:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Zulu

message: Moved from page itself, as suggested:
Of course, this share decrease will eventually have to slow down as various saturation effects occur, but maybe not for quite some time: the dozen (roughly) languages in the 5000-10000 range have monthly increases mostly at 10% or above, while (en) remains at 7%.  A purely linear (read: dead wrong) extrapolation using 0.93%/month implies that (en) should hit zero percent share by the end of 2007. So reasonable guesses at where (en) will eventually asymptote by the end of 2007 could be anywhere in the range 20%, 10%, 5% or 1% (that last figure meaning that - if English had continued at its current numerical growth of about 30,000 per month - the others would have at least 150 million articles between them) - any predictions? And will an asymptote really be approached by end 2007? (The speculative (read: dead wrong) material in the second half of this para probably belongs on the Talk page.)
Moved by Rob 14:03, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation regarding % of English articles 

message: As someone who can read a little Amharic, I tried to read the Amharic Wik - to no avail.  All I could call up were one page with little boxes (perhaps amharic that my computer couldn't recognize) and other pages with pornography.  I hope someone with the right know-how can get rid of the latter (It was in English and had nothing to do with Amharic or Ethiopia) and look into the former.
Kdammers 07:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Amharic corrupted

message: I think it would be a good idea to have links to articles in the language of the subject where appropriate, e.g., the article on Göttingen/Goettingen (Germany) in non-German Wiks would have a link to the (presumably larger) German Wik site on Göttingen.  This would be especially helpful for sites with different spellings and letters.
Kdammers 07:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What about cross-references?

message: Is it just my browser, or did somene turn off interwiki linking?
**These work on talk pages, but not in the articles - which is where they are really needed! Uncle Ed 16:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Interwiki links

message: Is there a policy on linking to the multilingual portal? www.wikipedia.org? I've been adding links to it in several places in the English wikipedia, and discussing whether it should be linked from the English Wikipedia's Main Page, but as I am struggling to find many links to the multilingual portal (this page doesn't have a link, for example), I was wondering if there was a reason not to? (Apart from the fact that it is displaying strangely at the moment) Carcharoth 09:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to the multilingual portal 

message: Hi,
My name is Ali Hassan and I want to start a sindhi wikipedia. I have read the set up language information but I have a problem. The thing is one already exists but in Devanagri alphabet. I want to create mine for the people that use the Arabic alphabet for Sindhi. 
I do not want to create a joint devanagri/arabic site as that would be useless and irritating. Kashmiri and Punjabi currently use two alphabets and its very frustrating to click on an article and to recieve it in an alphabet that you do not understand.
I want to start a seperate Sindhi Wikipedia but as there is already a Sindhi page I am confused as to what to do. Can we have both Wikipedia's called Sindhi and then have the name in the appropriate alphabet written behind it? As they are both legitimate forms of the language I cannot think of a fairer way to handle this but any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
: There are similar cases throughout wikipedia, like the two forms of Norwegian, Nynorsk and Bokmal. You could use Sindhi (arabic) and propose a rename for the current Sindhi as Sindhi (devanagri), as to not have an "official" form of Sindhi when both are. Rhe br 17:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sindhi 

message: hey, does anyone know how to get amharic characters to display in windows? 66.169.0.252 23:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  amharic  characters in windows 

message: Vyt(Vyt
I've removed the #Russian Latvia (Русский) started December 2002 because "Russian Latvia" is something of real nonsense or a political game: there is no such language as well as there is no such country. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vyt (talk • contribs) 15:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian Latvia 

message: A question I asked at WP(A) - perhaps you know the answer? Please post there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many articles from non-English wiki are have equivalents on English wiki? 

message: Any plans to use ISO 639-3 in the near future? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISO 639-3 

message: I'm not sure if this the right place for this question, but what about a wikipedia in Ancient Greek? I know its weird, but theres one in latin. 58.107.95.163 08:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Greek 

message: Where should I go if I want to change the language name of a Wiki? The name of ee.wikipedia.org, the Ewe Wikipedia, is currently spelled "Ɛʋɛ" in interwikilinks (among other places). This should be Eʋegbe however.
I'm a sysop on ee.wikipedia; you can reach me or on my English talk page. — mark ✎ 21:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. For future reference, one has to file a bug at Bugzilla for Mediawiki to have this changed, as these names are hardcoded in names.php. — mark ✎ 12:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ɛʋɛ > Eʋegbe 

message: Well in case you hadn't guessed, that means "banana republic of Esperanto Wikipedia"...
Over there, I remove a template which says (in so many words) "this page is currently undergoing a major edit; please refrain from editing it, to avoid edit conflicts" from a page which had not been edited for about a month and a half.  An admin reverts my change (i.e. replaces the template) using rollback!  I try to complain to the admin concerned, only to find that he has protected his talk page!
Stay here in the English site, it's safer...  Sid van Goj 19:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banana respubliko de Esperanta Vikipedio 

message: Is there a tool that starts with, say, an en: article and collects up all the interlanguage links from all the languages linked from all articles and then updates all the articles to all have the same set of links?  For example, if X is an article at en: with links to de: and ja:, and at de: there are links to es: and fr: and at ja: there are links to ko: and no:, shouldn't all of these articles all link to {en: de: ja: es: fr: ko: no:} minus the local language?  This assumes that if en:X is the same as de:Y and de:Y is the same as fr:Z that en:X must be the same as fr:Z (and vice-versa in all cases).  Are there cases where this wouldn't be true? -- Rick Block (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That job is done by bots. They perform a great deal of work that would take too many useful human resources. However, they lack judgement and sometimes, the help of a human is required, particularly when translation is not enough and we need to find an idiomatic equivalent. The job can get messy when it comes to categories, where humanities are confused with human sciences and social sciences in many languages. And then there are categories for natural sciences, exact sciences, hard sciences, should I go on? So yes, in some cases en:x is not always equal to fr:x even if they are both linked to es:x. — Robin des Bois ♘ ➳  ✉ 00:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Related proposal... Articles sharing images in the m:commons are often on the same topic, particularly where those images are only referred to by one article per language.  It would be helpful to have a way to check (what links here) for such commonalities and flag it for followup, either to the respective talk pages or to a multilingual action list.  Logically, this search would be done whenever a new Image link is added or soon after.LeadSongDog 19:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tool to spread interlanguage links 

message: Is there a unifying Wikipedia policy (even the five pillars or WP:NOT) that applies to all languages of Wikipedia? Basically, I'm asking how committed to the original vision of Wikipedia multilingual Wikipedias are. Can they form completely different rules/policies/guidelines based on the local consensus, or do the basic principals still apply? The Hebrew Wikipedia seems to me very censured, and I preferred to ask about it here rather than there. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 07:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed he: wp seems to have their own set of rules and if you don't speak the language, they will not make you feel very welcome. I got blocked just because I made 5 mistakes in the categories!... Some admins there are overzealous and a bit xenophobic. And quite rude in their communications! So if you don't really need to do anything there, don't. You'll avoid a lot of frustrations. Robin des Bois ♘ ➳  ✉ 23:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it depends on (a) what it is you're doing, and (b) what your language skills are. I'm moderately active in interwiki editing, but I generally don't do anything except add interwiki links and images from Commons, simply because I don't speak the language(s). Once you get outside of that, you're kind of asking for trouble if you don't know what you're getting into... EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unifying policy for all-language Wikipedias  

message: Can anyone tell me what happend to the belarusian WP? All the interwikis to the be: articles are now useless. I think that all 6835 articles have been moved to an Old belarusian wiki. The prefix be: leads to blank articles and if you want to use be-x-old: to get to the previous articles, it won't work for some obscure reason. Why was that done? Why not create another wp with a new prefix instead of making things complicated and move an entire wiki in another place? Robin des Bois ♘ ➳  ✉ 23:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belarusian 

message: This is a fairly trivial suggestion:
For each wikipedia, put its name in the lingua franca or the six languages of the UN on its main page somewhere in the header or footer.  I frequently find myself looking at newly linked "In other languages" articles related to articles I edit, but frequently find myself unable to identify the tongues.  For instance, I recently saw the John Naisbitt article get a link to the Српски / Srpski coverage of the same topic, but, having not heard of said language, I ended up having to bounce through several pages to find that it was the Serbian Wikipedia.  It could have been resolved with one click if the page had simply said 
"Wikipedia: الصربية,塞尔维亚人, Serbian, Serbe, серб, serbio" or something along those lines in the footer of the Main Page.  Thanks! MrZaiustalk 18:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An option would be to instal Tra's sidebar translator script into your monobook.js file. Just add  and save (maybe refresh) and it'll translate all the sidebar stuff into English. I love it, though you'd have to do some major copying/pasting to get it to work on non-en Wikipedias. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Identifying Wikipedias

message: I'm looking for some consensual depictions for languages, distinct from national flags and wikipedia's. My immediate use is for pages like http://www.lingvoj.org/lingvo/fr.html which identify languages. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_of_languages does not provide many ressources, let alone consensual resources. Anyone interested in this? universimmedia 09:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags/logos/icons for identification of languages 

message: There is a severe interwiki conflict, because some interwikis lead (currently) to foreign equivalents of List of Wikipedias.
Virtually, most languages have namely a list of Wikipedias, not a page on multilingual coordination.
Therefore, I will remove all such links from here (and corresponding foreign pages) and bind them with “List of Wikipedias” instead.
Since this page is obsolete, it is unlikely that this trouble emerged yet another time in the future.
Note that I do not ask help nor considerations.
I just inform the community (including one of some non-English wikipedias) about my intentions.
Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki on THIS page (Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination) 

message: Anyone know the status, if any, of a Khowar language Wikipedia? This is claimed at Rehmat Aziz Chitrali, but all I can seem to find is a stray incubator page. Dl2000 (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Khowar Wikipedia?