Talk:Premiership of Stephen Harper

message: I caught some apparant vandalism at the top of the page, and changed it, but immediately realized that I should've reverted rather than changing it.  Unfortunately, if I try to, I get the error "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits.".  Could someone who knows what they're doing please revert it?
Thanks.  Laser Dude 03:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: This article should be merged into that article. GoodDay (talk) 22:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into [[28th Canadian Ministry]] 

message: This page was recently the subject of a deletion debate the result of which was no consensus.  The admin who closed the discussion summarized the findings as follows:
:Several of the deletion arguments were very weak and I've discounted them: the use of the word "Premiership" (renaming articles to use a more appropriate synonym is obviously the right fix there), potential legal issues (not our problem: Wikipedia is not subject to Canadian broadcasting laws), various takes on OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (or not as the case may be) and the nominator's increasingly irate insistence that we're all being manipulated the Canadian Conservative Party.
:There are some cogent arguments regarding the supposed walled garden nature of the articles, along with several editors examining the content and finding it to be somewhat systematically skewed. Nevertheless, multiple editors have pointed out that these are long-established articles with years of editing history and that deletion of such pages due to tone / POV problems alone is rare. One recent example was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic history of the Jews, but I think most parties can agree that was an extraordinary case. All in all it's not possible to discern an overwhelming consensus either way, although I think there is consensus that some major editing (and possibly some merging and moving of content) is required to address the alleged POV problems.
I am going to work on cleaning the article up and propose that we merge it once clean into 28th Canadian Ministry with Prime Ministership of Stephen Harper, Premiership of Stephen Harper and Harper government all redirecting there.  Though WP:NAME would suggest that 28th Canadian Ministry may not be the best name for this article, I suggest we keep it there at least until the current election is over at which time we can revisit what the proper article name should be when tempers aren't as high.
Do folks agree with this approach? - Pictureprovince (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who wants to join me in the clean up and to discuss it, please check out the page and the discussion. - Pictureprovince (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What in the Afd gave you the idea that there is a "fairly wide consensus" that the name should be changed. Many early comments stated that it was a bad name - but then during the Afd process, the page was moved and I don't see anyone up in arms about the current page title. I agree with you that the name is secondary to changes that need to be made in the article. We can discuss the name later. The time to edit the article, and change it, is now, anyone at any time could be editing and I see no edits since the Afd closed, myself included. Outback the koala (talk) 17:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As per my note above, I am working on reworking the article here before making changes to the actual article. - Pictureprovince (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot change the name of the article without consensus to do so and there is no such consensus to do so here. Furthermore, can you please specify exactly what changes you are making to the article in your draft? It is too difficult to compare the two versions. SilverserenC 18:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest if you have changes, just make them. If there anything to be disagreed upon, we can talk about it here; thereby keeping the process going. Outback the koala (talk) 23:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I've been quite bold.  It still needs a bit of work, but I hope that this is seen as an improvement. - Pictureprovince (talk) 15:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing article 

message: Within Canada 'Premier' refers to a provicial leader while prime minister refers to a federal one, Stepher Harper is the "prime minister of canada" mot the 'premier' of a province.  Premiership is incorrect within canada.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.35.89 (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL. You are obviously not bilingual. Garth of the Forest (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Actually, it's not so black and white. In Quebec, the premier is referred to as the Prime Minister of Quebec and their legislature is referred to as the National Assembly. The term Premiership is NOT incorrect at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.23.138 (talk) 02:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, Premier is a really close to a synonym for PM, and in any case linguistically you dont have a prime ministership Ottawakismet (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

text: in any case, Canadian English doesn't have a "premiership" either unless in reference to a provincial premier; it's also Ontario where "prime minister" is the formal usage though premier is used in parlance and media, usually.  "Premiership" on PM articles is a wiki-neologism to me, and has never looked right.  I have heard "prime ministership" however, not sure if in the media but it's definitely a term I've heard in speech.Skookum1 (talk) 03:10, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it is not a neologism. Prime ministership is the neologism. Premiership (the state of being the Premier(s)) may refer to:
The post of Prime Minister or Premier, who is the head of government in many parliamentary systems
It sounds odd to your ears because it is old fashioned (premier is the more traditional and universal term), not because it is a neologism. 
The word Premiership dates back to 1400-1500 CE, from middle english. Ottawakismet (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Mocking a contributor is not the answer.  In all my years of following and studying Canadian politics I have never come across a Prime Minister's term referred to as a Premiership. This is the English wikipedia, and how the National Assembly in the Province of Quebec refers to its leader does not justify mislabeling (downgrading) the Prime Minister's title. Legacypac (talk) 05:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such construction, even in Canadian English, as "primeministership". What you need to understand is that the difference between "prime minister" and "premier" is a Canadian usage convention, not a basic feature of the words' definitions — in standard English, "premier" and "prime minister" are completely interchangeable terms for the head of a parliamentary government. And while it's rare, you can find historical sources (yes, even ones written by Canadians) in which a provincial leader was referred to as "prime minister" and a federal one was referred to as "premier". So "premiership" may land oddly on your ears, but Ottawakismet is entirely correct that "primeministership" isn't a thing. Bearcat (talk) 20:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a term "Prime Ministership," , and it should be used here for the reasons outlined above. Instant Comma (talk) 13:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen is not a premier, he is a prime minister. 

message: The article says that Stephen Harper is an economist and uses About.com as a source which is not reliable. Would someone show where he has worked as an economist as listing this as his profession is dubious and quite probably wrong. --Kuzwa (talk) 06:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and removed this feel free to re-add it if you have a better source. --Kuzwa (talk) 06:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It wouldn't do to tell the truth of course....lesse, mailboy at Exxon (truth), anti-tax activist (truth), or "tax lobbyist" if you prefer, and "political activist" ...to be an economist you have to have a degree in the field, also.  Or in something.  Gordon Campbell's page used to say he was a schoolteacher....for all of a few months is the truth (not long even if it was a year or two)...."real estate lobbyist" was true, but people objected to it as POV (that was pretty much his capacity as Mayor of Vancouver, when he was known as "Marathon's boy at city hall").  I'll refrain from further observations of the truth lest someone complain I'm using Wikipedia as a blog...but the truth hurts, don't it?Skookum1 (talk) 08:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economist 

message: The beginning of his term is given as the date he was sworn into office, February 6, 2006.  It would be appropriate, therefore, to give the end of his term as the date Trudeau will be sworn in. That has not happened yet; until that happens, Harper will technically remain in office.24.222.2.222 (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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