Talk:Porsche 959

message: I see "group B" referred to in this article, but have no idea what "group B" is, or was--apparently a class for really high-powered cars, but what are the details? Thanx-- Doovinator 03:47, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There used to be a picture of the Porsche 959 in an orangey color (what I know as Burnt Ember). Is there any way I could get a copy of this picture, because the car was just beautiful?
Wikimedia commons is the solution to your problem. Search on google about that and you'd be taken straight to that category. U1Quattro (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porsche 959 Picture 

message: definitely merge prototype article into this one. 
also, when i look at the protytpe article, it looks very similar to another webpage (see the talk page there) so moving the stuff out of there and deleting it would be good.
Gzuckier 17:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge with porsche 959 prototype

message: I made a few changes to the legacy section since it didn't indicate clearly enough that the four wheel drive system on Porsches built after the 964 used a much more simplified version of the AWD system - for reasons of cost and the fact that the 959's derived AWD system gave the 964 C4 a front wheel drive character according to many Porsche experts, including Porsche Guru Bruce Anderson. It is now a known fact that the cost to repair the 964's AWD system if it goes kaput can be absolutely terrifying, to the point that a 964 C4 is worth substantially less than a 964 C2 on the used car market today.  Recently, Porsche Club of America's own magazine Panorama featured an article on how to convert a 964 C4 to a C2 in order to get a way from potential problems with the 964 AWD system. Kanitz 20:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  959 AWD Legacy 

message: I removed the Caneva advertising. It is not even closely encyclopedic. Khutuck (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caneva 

message: I have added some "citation needed" tags in the article.  It needs inline citations to show where the references are used.  See Wikipedia:Citing sources. swaq 16:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I replaced the unsourced production and sales figures with the ones given by Karl Ludvigsen in his book. Also, the figure of 292 given in the infobox, was taken from the Porsche website allright, but apparently excluded the cars produced in 1986 (16 prototypes and 21 preproduction models, according to Ludvigsen) and the 8 cars built in 1992. It is unclear, though, if the 961 is included in that figure. --328cia (talk) 12:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production figures 

message: I'm not quite sure why the link was removed as the link was relevant to the porsch 959 car, linking to videos, and articles that specifically apply to this car</p>Is this link irrelevant to the content of this page Porsche 959 Video although i think i may have put this one in before which gives more options than jsut one video All 959 related articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by CAR Online (talk • contribs) 15:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the guidelines on external linking.  The links removed were not specific to the Porsche 959.  Also, at least one of the pages required Flash.  Wikipedia is not designed to be a collection of links. swaq 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porsche 959 

message: Stephan Wilkinson is referenced as the source on Bill Gates car.  GAte's car is a 1988, # in the 200's. The car was in a free trade zone in Oakland, CA, not Seattle.  Gates did not buy the car until 1990.  Paul Allen had not imported his car as of 2004.  Jerry Seinfeld's car was imported mid 2000's.  It received an EPA exemption.  Why, I do not understand.  
Paul did not have anything to do with the Show and Display law.  Nor did Canepa despite what Canepa states at his website.  
Rolandpage (talk) 15:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: In the racing section we have: "Thus ending short-lived the career of the 961."  
"Short-lived" doesn't add any information and is personal opinion by the editor inserting his personal standards and therefore should be removed. 
Many racing cars don't last a full year (Formula 1 cars are replaced every year by a new car with a new name), reading "short-lived" I'd think of cars like the Dauer 962LM which had only one participation. Drachentötbär (talk) 01:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  short-lived 

message: The article implies in the lead that the 959 was developed for Group B racing whih required in excess of 200 street legal units to be built. Even in the history section, it states the development name of the car as Gruppe B and then in the Racing section, this is denied altogether. This is very confusing to the readers. There has to be a source confirming that the car was not seriously intended to compete in Group B. As I don't see why any company would develop a technologically advanced car, get it approved for rallying and then build so many units of it for no reason in the wake of economical crisis.U1 quattro TALK 11:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Give this a read , it covers the development history of the 959 quite well, and it has some info on why the 959 never went racing in Group B (by the time they met the homologation requirement Group B no longer existed). I think the motorsport section should cover this. Toasted Meter (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for providing the source. I have reworded the section and added this source.U1 quattro TALK 14:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection with Group B 

message: what proof do you have that the 911 GT1 succeeded the 959? The GT1 has an entirely different purpose and philosophy than the 959 and hence is not a successor to the 959. U1 quattro TALK 06:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a turbocharged rear engined homologation special, I can see the similarities. The road cars diverged quite a bit, but so did the Carrera GT having a NA V10, removable roof and no use in professional motorsport. I think that no successor is probably fine. Toasted Meter (talk) 11:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not rear engined, but rear, mid-engined. Also, the GT1 wasn't developed for Group B class racing but GT1 class racing and was mostly a 962 underneath. I don't see any similarities other than both using flat-6 engines.U1 quattro TALK 15:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  959 successor 

message: I think the article should explain WHY the car was fitted with the special Denloc bead tires and hollow wheels. The main text just says that it was fitted with hollow wheels, but gives no information, which is kind of baffling to a reader that doesn't know why. Later is says that new, normal rimmed wheels were developed for US import cars (again not explaining why the old ones were not allowed), and says "new high performance Michelin tires were fitted that allowed the same performance" (or something like that). The reason for the special Denloc beads is because they didn't think that tires of the time could withstand the unprecedented forces of such quick acceleration, and would spin on the rims when the car was launching (IIRC they were also supposed to support and internal tire pressure adjustment system for the eventual Group B cars, which explains the hollow wheels, otherwise all they would need is some sort of bead locks). These were not legal in the US, because like many trivial things like covered headlights, they did not meet the letter of US regulations on what sort of wheels were legal for street use. When they finally imported them, the law still stood, but modern tires had proven themselves safe for the acceleration forces and there was no longer any need for the hollow wheels or tire pressure system.  I believe this was all in an article of Road & Track or Car and Driver (possibly Automobile) sometime in 2016 or 2017, although I'm sure it can be found elsewhere. 
Idumea47b (talk) 05:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denloc beads 

message: I believe that the Canepa Design modifications section should be removed. I wasn't able to find a single source showing that Porsche had anything to do with it - No support, no comission, not even any acknowledgement. It would be fine if there was an offical lik such as the McLaren P1 LM, wich was made by a third party company but with support from McLaren. However this doesn't appear to be the case. The Canepa Design modifications of the 959 are just like any other aftermarket modifications, and in my opinion those shouldn't have a significant portion of the article devoted to a particular aftermarket conversion. If we did so, the VW Beetle article would just be a massive list of dune buggy and kit car conversions. 
I believe the way this should be handled should be similar to the Dauer 962 Le Mans. There is only a brief mention of it on the Porsche 962 article, and since the Dauer 962 is notable by itself, it has a dedicated article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frongicide (talk • contribs) 23:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Canepa Design modifications