Talk:Plague (disease)

message: Hmm.  I don't think plague should redirect here.  There have been plagues of other things—and not just infectious diseases.  What about the Biblical plagues of Egypt, for instance? (See Seder#The Third Telling).  —Mulad 17:18, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect discussion

message: From New York City Department of Health & Mental Hygiene Alert: 
Two cases of travel-associated bubonic plague in New York City
http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400%3A1001%3A427978%3A%3ANO%3A%3AF2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE%2CF2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID%3A1000%2C19748
"Human plague has been reported most often from the four western states of 
Arizona, California, Colorado and New Mexico.  Wild rodents, especially 
ground squirrels and prairie dogs, are the natural reservoir for the plague 
bacterium.  Since January 1980, there have been 272 cases of plague 
reported in the United States; the overwhelming majority of cases were 
bubonic plague.  Of these, 143  (53%) were acquired in New Mexico.  Plague 
is not enzootic in the eastern United States; there has not been a case of 
plague in New York City in at least 100 years."  Petersam 17:31, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Plague in NYC, ex New Mexico 2002

message: "The Plague of Justinian is the first known pandemic on record, and it also marks the first recorded case of bubonic plague in 541. At its peak, the plague was killing 10,000 people in Constantinople every day and perhaps 40 percent of the city's inhabitants.  It went on to destroy up to a quarter of the human population of the eastern Mediterranean."
In response to this claim of the initial appearance of a pandemic in historical records as the Plague of Justinian, I am pressed to challenge the authority of such a claim in favor of a contradictory, albeit less detailed, piece of information, providing that in the second year of the Peloponnesian War (430 B.C.E.), Athens was decimated by plague, claiming a possible one third of the populace, including Pericles (Western Civilization: A Brief History Vol. 1: to 1715 Speilvogal, Jackson J. West/Wadsworth 1999 Ch. 3, pp. 56, paragraph 2; ). This, in spite the loss, had no consequent effect on the progress and outcome of the war and may have thus been a reason why no full account has ever been accredited to any inherent significance therein. This would nonetheless appear to have preceded the plague of Constantinople by nearly a millennium.
The omission of this antecedent is curious to me, and if my attempt at correction is misplaced, I would very much like to know how so, as well as your reasons for the omission, both for the sake of my own appreciation of what constitutes academic, indisputable history, and what might qualify a plague as monumental (e.g., were the numbers of the Athenians in the 5th century who’d fallen to the plague simply not high enough for such consideration? Was the account of too questionable an authorship to be deemed as supportable historical fact?)
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02-14-05  There are several other literary or historical incidents/accounts of plague epidemics in localized areas.  These are of interest both historically and as studies of disease outbreak and contagion. I've placed the Athenian incident (above - unknown contributor) in Localized Epidemics'- and added a few others to the category. 
I've also expanded the Pandemics section with a summary of info on the great pandemics of Justinian, the Black Death and Asia.  I also changed the title of that section to Historical Pandemics. I'v drawn most of this material from the three references I added to the article, although there is always differences of opinion on some large items and details.  Unfortunately, I don't have a source for smaller Asian epidemics, and my info on the Third Pandemic is more limited.  Will try and find a few more books. - W. (an anon).
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"In the second century C.E., during the reign of the Roman Emperor Trajan, Rufus of Ephesus records an outbreak of plague in Lybia, Egypt and Syria.  He clearly stated that buboes were present and described other symptoms associated with the bubonic plague.  This local epidemic preceded the plague pandemic of Constantinople by approximately 350 years."
*  moved this paragraph from the article.  My current references disagree on the date - will try to find some confirmation one way or another.       -W  02-16-05.
:Five out of six references place the Ephesian report in the 2nd century BCE, not in Trajan's time.  Copy edited and replaced the paragraph in article.  Please comment if you have more information.  WBardwin 08:18, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tracked down an older, but more definative, reference on this quotation.  The confusion comes from the fact that Rufus describes an epidemic in his time -- 1st century AD, but makes reference to a much older account of the same disease - with the same symptoms - in the same geographic area - in the 3rd or 2nd century BCE.  This author Simpson, preferred the older date for Rufus' reference.  Corrections and information placed in the article.  WBardwin 10:25, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Cases 

message: Do we need to subdivide this article -- perhaps into one dealing with the disease and medical information on outbreak and contagion - and one dealing with the historic impact/incidences of plague?  The last could tie more closely with the Black Death article and perhaps we should create articles on the other two known pandemics?    
-W (currently anon.) as of 02/17/05 WBardwin
I found that the Plague of Justinian article already existed, so went ahead and created a Third Pandemic article as well.  Little new information in them as yet, but will work at it.  I still think breaking history from the disease itself would be good.   WBardwin 07:13, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Tree of Plague Articles 

message: does any know any good info websites other than wikipedia??????????????
Both this article and Black Death have link sections at the bottom.  A quick search will pull up a number of sites, often history oriented.  In addition:  
:   -- This one is only average, but contains links to accounts from the time period.  
: -- primary source in translation.  This one's a little better. 
: eMedicine site - Good medical info.
Hope you put these to constructive use.  Welcome to Wikipedia.  WBardwin 21:54, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  i need help 

message: im surprised this article didnt mention  the fact that the nursery rhyme "Ring around the Rosey" is about the plague.
Also, theres no mention about the belief that cats were the cause of the bubonic plague in London, effectively leading to the slaughter of cats and causing the plague to flourish unchallenged (cats kill mice who carried fleas). Also, they used to keep coins in jars of vinegar to sanitize them. Anyone found with the plague was immediately barred from leaving their house.
--64.72.237.166 01:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this is Wikipedia, please feel free to add all the above material, and please cite your sources.  Tempshill 22:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bubonic Plague in nursery rhymes

message: This article is just talking about what it is. I would like to kow more:
What is the history?
Was thre a cure?
Where did it start?
How long does it take for you to die? (if you do)
Are there long lasting side affects?
What if children are trying to learn somethig? This isn't going to help. You need more details.
I am a concerned parent.
:See "Symptoms and Treatment" for the cure.  I think the above questions are actually already answered in the article.  Tempshill 22:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Can anyone explain why it was remarkable (and very widely and prominently reported) that a few mice infected with bubonic plague escaped?  (Other than pointing out poor security at the facility.)  The media were writing headlines like it was a new public health hazard, but the news seemed unremarkable to me, seeing as how there are presumably several hundred thousand infected wild squirrels in the Southwest US.  Tempshill 22:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lab mice recently escaped - why was this notable? 

message: I notice that this article claims a 200 million-person death toll from the Black Death, whereas by contrast, the Black Death article claims a 34 million-person death toll.  The factor of six separating these two is suspicious; where are we getting these numbers from? Ryan Reich 19:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 237 Million is incredibly overinflated: The TOTAL population of Europe was likely less than this at the time, though obviously no good statistics exist.  However, the total population of England at the time was only 4.2 million, with an estimated 1.4 million infected.  According to a history book of mine, McKay-Hill Buckler's 'A History of Western Society,' "no estimates of population losses have ever been attempted for Russia and the Balkans."  Thus, really it's not appropriate for such an absolute figure to be cited in an encyclopedia article; academic estimates seemingly always give only a percentage of European population and even these vary from 1/4th to 2/3rds.  As such, I'm removing this very incorrect number and leaving the percentage... feel free to tweak it, but 237 million is absolutely ridiculous --The Way 08:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death tolls 

message: "The first Western literary account of a possible outbreak of plague is found in the book of I
Samuel 5:6 of the Hebrew Bible."  To me, describing the Hebrew Bible as "Western" seems odd. Although it is a foundation of Western culture, civilization, etc etc, it originated in the Middle East. A formulation such as "The earliest literary account, familiar to the West, describing a possible outbreat etc etc" would seem to be a better way of formulating it.  Otherwise, this is a very interesting and informative article; sorry to carp about such trivia.
:Perhaps there should be a mention of the "wind of plague" that Apollo blows upon the Greeks in the Iliad :"Pack animals were his target first, and dogs / but soldiers, too, soon felt transfixing pain from his hard shots, / and pyres burned night and day.”". See e.g. http://www.jstor.org/pss/25010855 .
:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 08:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Epidemics 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Oppose -- Plague is a generalized term, which can include many diseases, while Bubonic plague -- a distinct name for a distinct disease -- should be retained as it is in Smallpox & Typhus. WBardwin 06:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Removed the following vandalism:
"Dylan purdy is a jew who has Mr.Smutka at his feet begging for a BJ. Dylan says no and non-regretably chops his head off and laughs with a vicious laugh.Then dylan trips and falls off a cliff with ease. he tumbles down to a hunter who stalks him with a duck call and a deer head he will lead you on a chase and you will get shot in the back with an arrow and at his last moments of life he will meet a singing fish. How Stupid!!" 
Maeve 17:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Anyone know what current event the editor Tarpy was referring to in the edit on 14:55, 19 April 2006?  An outbreak? WBardwin 00:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's referring to an outbreak in Congo in February. I found a Wikinews link to it at the bottom of the artice, among the external links. However, the anonomous and rather new user Tarpy is obvioysly unaware of the purpose of the template, which only should be used for news material that is rapidly changing (see Template talk:Current. He/she has recently also added it to Reef triggerfish and George H. Ryan. I have now remved it from this article, but have instead moved the Wikinews link to the top, where it makes sense. Thomas Blomberg 11:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: but it's February 05, if I'm not mistaken.  How long should we leave it up?  WBardwin 11:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. It's been at the bottom of the page for more than a year. I just hadn't noticed it before and assumed it had been added recently (didn't look clesely enough at the date). I've just checked the WHO Desease Outbreak News, and it seems that they regarded the outbreak to have been contained by mid March 2005. So, I'll remove the Wikinews link and instead add a short text about the Congo outbreak being the latest reported. Thomas Blomberg 11:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Event 

message: There is a section mentioning mortality rates, then in the "treatment" section it should say: How effective are the different treatments that are listed?  What are the mortality rates and complication rates?  Tempshill 03:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment effectiveness 

message: Why the adddition of the London specific information?  Not really applicable to the disease article itself, and significant alterations in the article have been made.  Possible vandalism -- see version 17:05, 8 November 2006 by Wouterstomp for previous versions of the article. Believe the material should be removed, and the article reverted, if no one has major objections.  Will revert.  WBardwin 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Plague of London 

message: I removed this uncited statement because it clearly does not refer to the Third Pandemic, which is "only" claimed to have killed "12 million people in India and China alone", certainly not 1.3 of Asia.  It may relate to previous pandemics, which may or may not have been bubonic plague of some sort.--Grahamec 04:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bubonic bacteria is thought to have killed about one third of the population in Asia

message: I removed: "In Europe, the plague was thought to be spread by cats, so the Europeans killed all of the cats, which eventually made the plague spread even more" from the Justinian section.  I think this probably came from a British TV program about the Great Plague of London, based on the received wisdom, but it is unsourced.  The comment that the killing of cats caused the plague to spread faster, might make sense, if the Black Death was spread by rats (which is not supported by evidence, in my view), but there is no contemporary evidence for it.--Grahamec 07:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cats

message: why is the bicture of the Yersinia pestis entitled "Green Glow Stick in Motion"? that just seems wrong. it looks like it was changed here  and then again immediately afterwards.
--MirrorSword 02:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of picture wrong 

message: Previous statement was that untreated bubonic plague has a mortality rate less than 10%. I believe this writer intended "a survival rate of less than 10%". Edited to reflect information from the links cited, WHO and CDC, that untreated bubonic plague has a mortality rate of 50-90%. Or perhaps the previous writer intended that treated plague had a mortality of less than 10%? Unimaginative Username 04:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mortality rate confused with survival rate? 

message: Why does the article say the most common way to contract the disease is to be bitten by an infected rodent? I think it's pretty clear that it's the intermediate vector, the flea, that is responsible for transmitting the plague from rats to humans. That appears to be pretty well established in the first part of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Graehill (talk • contribs) 04:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About vectors 

message: Am I missing anything or is there not a single word in the article about the pathology of the disease? Symptoms? What it actually does to patients? how it presents and manifests?--Cancun771 22:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No pathology

message: I don't mean to be a pain; I've already mentioned this on the Black Death article. But, Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death" has generally been accepted to refer to tuberculosis, so I'm requesting a source that says it is "conventionally agreed" to be Bubonic plague. If you do find a source, I'd love to add that info to the section in the "Red Death" article that discusses the disease. Thanks! --Midnightdreary 16:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm requesting the same for the "Don't Fear the Reaper" reference. Buck Dharma has stated that he just plucked the 40,000 figure out of the air and that it doesn't actually refer to anything. BrianFG 21:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masque of the Red Death 

message: Can you guys put symptoms of it here? Punkymonkey987 14:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you guys put symptoms? 

message: For anyone with the time and knowledge:  this article has a good section on history and world impact but is severely lacking in medical science.  Symptoms, tests, etc.  Arbitrarily picking articles clostridium difficile and strep throat have more medical science than this article does and I'd like to see similar information here.  Cburnett 06:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more focus on medical science 

message: (This page could use more information on if handling corpses from bubonic plague could cause the spread of the disease form person to person. Also what about listing misconceptions people had about the bubonic plague in various cultures)-random person researching a paper
.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.136.106 (talk) 02:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone is free to edit.  If you find that information, feel free to add it (with references, of course). Mark Chovain 02:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More aspects of Bubonic plague needed 

message: I'd like to propose that the article be moved to "Plague" or "Plague (disease)" for the reasons outlined above after Naming (again) and in the original proposal.
Please comment on the idea and/or which option is more suitable. If the article is moved to Plague (disease) I can edit it a little and make sub pages for the three types. If it is moved to Plague, which I think might be better, the current page becomes disambiguation and we should probably add a second link to the article, pestilence. 
e.g. 
:Plague
:For other uses, see Plague (disambiguation).
I think this would be best in the long run, I hope to help to get the article up to featured status. - cyclosarin (talk) 06:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But this article is not specifically about bubonic plague, it's about plague in general; hence the history and outbreaks. Bubonic plague wasn't the sole manifestation in historical pandemics, it was an epidemic of yersinia pestis infections, collectively known as plague. Until I created them yesterday, pneumonic and septicemic plague redirected here, which is completely inappropriate. Bubonic plague should have its own article as well, which can't be done when the main article is in the wrong place. - cyclosarin (talk) 08:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is definitely not about plagues in general. The opening summary says it's about yersinia's nodule version. Perhaps you should do a split, instead of requesting a move. 70.51.8.110 (talk) 22:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point, but I considered it more of a move because I would be physically moving and editing the contents of this article and starting a new Bubonic Plague article. cyclosarin (talk) 22:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (2)

message: Would everyone be happier if this was considered a "split" rather than a "move"? I have already started pneumonic and septicemic articles, and I would be happy to start the new bubonic plague article and redistribute the content from this one. 
I think the new main page should be Plague since it is currently only a minor disambiguation page, especially if the main article links to pestilence as I previously suggested. cyclosarin (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is everyone okay with splitting it then? Because if so, I can finish that now and get to work on the four articles. cyclosarin (talk) 05:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I say go ahead, and create the plague (disease) article from a pslit. 70.51.8.110 (talk) 06:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do, we can leave the naming debate for another time. cyclosarin (talk) 06:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: Once this merge proposal is settled and everything's stable, I think someone ought to propose this article for WP:GA.  I'd be surprised if it didn't pass easily.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: The following looks to me like it is backwards. I would think the Balck death would have moved much more slowly in 664 than the modern plague. "very different transmission speeds — the Black Death was reported to have spread 385 km in 91 days in 664, compared to 12-15 km a year for the modern Bubonic Plague, with the assistance of trains and cars"
dfortini 06:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the argument being made is: "You would expect plague to spread more quickly in modern times than in ancient times, but the opposite happened, therefore they must be different diseases". Wardog (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nature of the disease - speed of transmission

message: I think Y. pestis sould be linked to this as it causes plague  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rynosaur (talk • contribs) 22:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yersinia pestis has an article on her own. — EJ (talk) 11:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it. more information here
PlasticShark (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A look at the web site above shows no confirmation of Plague, but reports on a widespread outbreak of disease with pneumonia based symptoms.  Possibility is high that this is the Swine flu variant.  Until further news, it seems unlikely that the outbreak is related to this article. WBardwin (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine? November 2nd 2009 

message: This doesn't make sense:
:"very different transmission speeds — the Black Death was reported to have spread 385 km in 91 days in 664, compared to 12–15 km a year for the modern Bubonic Plague, with the assistance of trains and cars"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.106.78.224 (talk) 01:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes perfect sense to me. Could you elaborate your objection?—Emil J. 11:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: Please see here for a list of some fairly notable people who died of the plague, including Royalty and Nobility- :Category:Deaths from bubonic plague eg Ali az-Zahir, a Caliph, and Edmund Mortimer, 5th Earl of March, heir presumptive to Richard II of England. Brendandh (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing {{Dubious|date=February 2009}} tag 

message: Another article, Plague vaccine, contradicts this one—here as well as the Yersinia pestis article here. The vaccine article says "There is strong evidence for the efficacy of administration of some plague vaccines in preventing or ameliorating the effects of ... infection ..." whereas this one says "Currently there is no vaccine against the Plague." The Yersinia pestis article says there once was a vaccine ages ago but it didn't really work so now there isn't and experimental development for a new one found it no good for green monkeys. The contradict-tag on the vaccine article points to this talkpage as its own is inactive. Thanks. 92.6.206.226 (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflict with another article

message: The bacteria's picture on the top right of the article claims it is 200x magnification. Can this possibly be correct? Even ignoring that it's not clear what this number means when the picture will have a different size on every monitor... But on my screen it looks about 5cm long, so the original bacteria is supposed to be 0.25mm, or 250 micron long? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bacillus_subtilis_Gram.jpg shows a scaled picture of other rod-shaped germs, and shows their lengths to be merely 10 micron long. So either I'm making some sort of calculation mistake here, or the claim of "200x" is completely mistaken.
Nyh (talk) 09:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture magnification claim is wrong? 

message: Could this be cleaned up by whoever wrote it, because I have read through it multiple times and know what it means ultimately, but the wording could be improved significantly It is found under 'Epidemiology and distribution':
"Contrary to popular belief, rats did not directly start the spread of the bubonic plague. It is mainly a disease in the fleas (Xenopsylla cheopis) that infested the rats, making the rats themselves the first victims of the plague. Infection in a human occurs when a person is bitten by a flea that has been infected by biting a rodent that itself has been infected by the bite of a flea carrying the disease." MarkoPolo56 (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Wording 

message: The article states:
:Yersinia pestis circulates in animal reservoirs, particularly in rodents, in the natural foci of infection found on all continents except Australia.
This is clearly wrong as Antarctica is a further exception.
The article states:
:This makes the Black Death the largest death toll from any known non-viral epidemic
How does it compare with malaria or aids?
The article states:
:•	very different transmission speeds — the Black Death was reported to have spread 385 km in 91 days (4.23 km/day) in 664, compared to 12–15 km a year for the modern bubonic plague, with the assistance of trains and cars
Could a common unit be used such as km/day so that a comparison could be more easily made?
The article states:
:•	On August 2, 2009, Chinese authorities quarantined the town of Ziketan, Xinghai County in Hainan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai Province (Northwestern China) after an outbreak of pneumonic plague. As of this writing, three have died and ten more are ill, being treated in hospital.[90]
Could this be updated?
194.176.105.153 (talk) 11:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few observation on the article 

message: Report the plague existed 3000BC: http://www.nature.com/news/bronze-age-skeletons-were-earliest-plague-victims-1.18633
--CuriousMind01 (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  3000 years BC  

message: the paragraph on the book of Samuel was deliberately removed - it contains dubious factual assertions that are not in line with modern scholarship. Articles on religion are not written from an in-universe perspective. The dating of the the book of Samuel is dubious, the number of authors are dubious, and the verse in question has a different version in the LXX and Vulgate that adds "mice". This is non-specific as to the disease.
This reference includes discussion that discussion of it is wrong (Hebrew "ophal" can mean "Hemorrhoid" (Dysentery)), and that "A widespread view is that biblical stories of this sort are the product of a religious reform movement that flourished hundreds of years after Samuel, in the late Iron Age; but it is acknowledged, nonetheless, that they may have historical kernels"
Note that the New Scientist article includes an image of an ulcer - historical sources describing "ulcers" may be tularemia rather than bubonic plague
-- Callinus (talk) 09:14, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the explanation. Debresser (talk) 09:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Samuel 

message: Two things:
1) This article http://www.uib.no/filearchive/rats-plague-arch-akh-lw.pdf suggests human ectoparasites as an alternative mode of transmission. I don't want to mess up the article, so I'm just leaving it here for anyone who's interested.
2) Does anyone know whether people have lifelong immunity after recovering from the plague? I assume so, but I can't find that information in the article.79.103.155.221 (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other modes of transmission/ immunity 

message: What other animals besides humans get infected? 
Just granpa (talk) 06:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many others, to different degrees. The rats are sick, not necessarily high mortality. That is probably covered on the one of the other related pages. JuanTamad (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What other animals 

message: Infobox image caption says "200× magnification." According to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnification#Magnification_and_micron_bar "Magnification figures on printed pictures can be misleading." Near as I can surmise from other sources, these green guys are about 1/2 micron wide and 2 or 3 microns long, which puts the magnification closer to 3000x on my computer screen.  Rairden (talk) 20:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Even though the caption is taken directly from the source of the image, I would suggest changing the figure caption in the article to  or something similar.  Wham2001 (talk) 18:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Still would be nice to have some indication of scale. Followed the bacterium link in the article's first line, and see under Morphology "Members of the Enterobacteriaceae are bacilli (rod-shaped), and are typically 1–5 μm in length." Usually find answers if I keep digging, and learn more in the process.  Rairden (talk) 02:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: Hi, I added a diagnosis section to this article (paraphrased evidence from the background section of a June 2020 Cochrane Review). I am new to editing on plague, if there are regular editors and experts here who have some feedback to add please do not hesitate to jump in. I did not add in the conclusions of the June 2020 Cochrane Review on rapid diagnostic testing yet, as I do not have enough background in this area to ensure appropriate weight. Does anyone have any suggestions? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32597510/. Thanks! JenOttawa (talk) 02:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagnosis section 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Plague which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 01:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress