Talk:Peregrine Cavendish, 12th Duke of Devonshire

message: Where is the information on this page coming from? --Elonka 20:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtless it's cracrofts or burkes but I've added a link for some of the details which will do for now. Alci12 17:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Where is the proof for the additional three children? The offical Chatsworth web-site doesn't mention them . Because of the lack of a reliable referece I am reverting the site to the version of Tryde. 
--IrishCent 18:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A host of IPs and SPAs seem determined to insert the information that there are six children. Which would be fine if any of them provided a reliable source for the information. There are no sources at all, reliable or not, for the claim that there are six; current sources unequivocally state three children. --Bonadea (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have filed a Suspected Sockpuppet case here. --BelovedFreak 22:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Information regarding additional three children

message: According to the information provided by the GRO  the 12th Duke of Devonshire has 4 children (two boys - William & Ian ; two girls - Celina & Jasmine). I have added the missing information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.123.6.102 (talk) 11:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? Provided to whom? The General Register Office doesn't provide information online. The weight of evidence - Burke's, Debrett's, online genealogies, the fact 'Ian Cavendish' appears nowhere on the internet except here - suggest otherwise. I recommend that until substantive proof, rather than merely mentioning the name of a government organisation without showing the information they provided, can be found, the entry remains at three children. Phettyplace (talk) 2:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Information regarding additional children

message: *The Peerage
*Gene All
*Angelfire
*Burke's Peerage - although I cannot link to it as one needs a subscription and it is copyrighted
*Chatsworth website - evidence from offical Chatsworth House website
*Derby University website Phettyplace (talk • contribs) 03:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Websites providing evidence for three children

message: 1. The link to the Chatsworth House is a pdf file having no info about neither of his children.
2. The Chatsworth House by calling addresses to this website: http://www.cavendishhouse.org/index.php?dukeinfo=52 which gives formal information about all Dukes.
I hope this will end the controversy in this connection.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.187.123 (talk) 11:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this does not end the controversy. There is nothing wrong with linking a PDF file. It 'does' list three children, quite explicitly. It comes from the official Chatsworth House website. Your link is an unofficial website which has clearly mirrored the Wikipedia entry, unfortunately at a time when the vandalism hadn't been corrected. Reverting again. Phettyplace (talk) 02:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

text: YOU MUST BE KIDDEN ME!!!! YOH HAVE THE PICS OF THE ALL FAMILY THERE....FOUR CHILDREN!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.133.2 (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Remark

message: On the contrary I think this site is a mirror to the cavendishhouse.org site!! There is more info there than in this page so...and it looks reliable by far most.
IF THERE IS A DISPUTE PROTECTING THE PAGE IS NOT AN ANSWER IS AN ACT OF TERROR!!!
I GUESS I AM GOING TO CREATE A NEW PAGE FOR THIS GUY WHICH IS MORE RELIABLE AND UNPROTECTED BY ALL MEANS.
:Really?  Really?? john k (talk) 04:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much john k. Isn't it all bizarre? Do we think that this chap is perhaps called Ian Cavendish and determined to ennoble himself by means of Wikipedia?! Phettyplace (talk) 08:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here we go... Peregrine Cavendish, 12th Duke of Devonshire - 12th I've put it up for deletion (or will momentarily). Phettyplace (talk) 09:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: REPLY

message: GUYS THAT'S WHY I DONT TRUST THE INFO GIVEN IN WIKIPEDIA!!! TOO MANY PEOPLE THINKS THEY KNOW TO MANY THINGS!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pion1122 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One more thing google gives nothing about the first kid William Cavendish...not a single word...so what does it mean?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pion1122 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop doing this, it's incredibly tiresome. There is no information on William Cavendish because he goes by his courtesy title, Lord Burlington. Try googling Bill Burlington.Phettyplace (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: REMARK

message: I don't know how his Grace the Duke of Devonshire was proposing to renounce his peerage, given that the Peerage Act 1963 only allows a person inheriting a hereditary peerage to disclaim within twelve months of their succession, the provisions allowing greater freedom to disclaim peerages were removed from the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010 before it got Royal Assent (and wouldn't have applied to the present Duke in the form proposed), and the Leader's Group on Members Leaving the House of Lords only recommends that members be allowed to retire from the House, not to give up their Peerage. Sam Blacketer (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a good point, but the error may be ours and not that of the Duke.  This appears to be the original source... currently we link to a blog post containing responses from an Earl.  In any event, what he seems to have said would apply only if he's removed from the House of Lords, so your thought about retiring wouldn't really apply.  And he seems to be saying just that he'd stop using the title himself and simply be known as Peregrine Cavendish.  I don't suppose he'd have any trouble doing that.  Anyway, the key point is that he doesn't seem to use the phrase "renounce".  In terms of the legal status, he only mentions a "new passport".  The pdf linked here suggests that titles should be entered "for holders who use their title as part of their name for all purposes".  I suppose he could get a new passport without the title.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renouncing his peerage 

message: I'm a bit surprised that there's no photo of the current duke on the page. Surely, there has been something published that can be used legally? --Michael K SmithTalk  12:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo? 

message: In the 'Family' section, the link for Amanda Heywood-Lonsdale comes straight back to this page.  I suggest unlinking it.
213.246.92.141 (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: There's nothing inherently wrong with that, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Redirects. At some point, an article dealing specifically with Amanda Heywood-Lonsdale may well get created. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 3 December 2011 

message: Apparently, the Duke uses the nickname "Stoker" as a given name. I am going to note this in the article. Should we, according to common name policy, consider the article's title? DBD 21:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you went ahead and moved the article without actually starting a discussion on the matter. I'm not going to move it back, but I think it should have been discussed first. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stoker" 

message: sorry, but i'm very new to this. is this article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297210/Duke-Devonshire-evicts-farmer-family-worked-estate-1830--rent-day-late.html
relevant as a reference?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.26.80 (talk) 11:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eviction of family... 

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