Talk:Constantine XI Palaiologos

message: There is a move request for several Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty emperors at Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors. --Panairjdde 23:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request for emperors of the Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty 

message: Quoth the article:
In a variant of the Byzantine practice of adopting the distaff surname where it connoted more prestige, Constantine liked to be known by his mother's name of Dragaš (Serbian: Драгаш) or Dragasēs, which she inherited from her Serbian father.
Is this really meant to imply that the Serbian name had more presige than Palaiologos?  I find this sort of hard to believe... --Jfruh (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know if we can generalize but the adoption of the distaff surname by emperors (with no exclusion of the regularly inherited one) can be observed in a couple of other cases: Theodore II Doukas Laskaris (sometimes just Laskaris) and Matthew Asan(es) Kantakouzenos. But yes, for all their importance, the parvenu Dragaš family probably do not quite justify this wording in the article (though that does say "in a variant...").  They were certainly less prestigeous than the Palaiologoi.  The emperor probably wished to honor his mother and her lineage. Most Byzantines were actually quite happy to pile up as many surnames as they could lay claim to.  The first three Palaiologoi, Michael VIII, Andronikos II, and Michael IX, in fact employed an elaborate surname, as follows: Doukas Angelos Komnenos Palaiologos. I suppose that after the dynasty had spent 60 years on the throne, plain Palaiologos sufficed for their successors. Imladjov 12:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distaff prestige 

message: It seems to me that if he had a greek name the latinised form should stick with the greek spelling. My name is Καρανικολας(Karanicholas). If some1 spelt it karanicholus that would be wrong (i no my latinised name shouldnt have an h in it but by grandfather cant spell:P)--Slogankid 16:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In general yes, however, the name is Παλαιολόγος, not Παλαιολόγας, so although the "us" latinization would be unusual in your case, it's not if the name ends on "ος". --Atmilios 17:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Us or Os 

message: Although ethnomartyr is the most literal transliteration of ἐθνομάρτυρας, it's somewhat misleading, since the word means something more like national martyr rather than ethnic martyr. The distinction intended is between religious martyrs who died for their faith and national martyrs who died for their country. Compare Εθνικό Αρχαιολογικό Μουσείο which is usually translated as National Archaeological Museum, not Ethnic Archaeological Museum. (Some googling finds both "ethnomartyr" and "national martyr" are used in English in this context, although both are rare enough that it's hard to weigh their relative usage.) --Delirium 08:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnomartyr 

message: His commemoration appears in the calendars and books published by the Greeks, the Serbs and the Russians. To be a saint of one national Church is to be a saint of the entire Orthodox Church - and he appears in three! Ergo, he is a saint not only of the Greek Church. InfernoXV 02:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint? 

message: Just a thought...The Greek composer Stamatis Spanoudalkis has produced an excellent suite of music entitled: The Marble King (I think...Unfortunately I've lost my copy!)It's theme is the fall of Constantinople and the idea that Constantine XI will return one day. Mickmct (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myth and music 

message: Hi there,
This page marked the date of Constantine's birth as February 8, 1405, citing Nicol's The Immortal Emperor as a source. According to Runciman's The Fall of Constantinople 1453 and to the article on the emperor in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, he was rather born in 1404. I've taken the liberty of changing the date to 1404 from 1405 (two sources vs. one), but since there seems to be some divergence on the subject, feel free to argue the point further and change it back. Have a nice day! Hobbitte (talk) 07:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I`ll change it back,since Runciman work is from 1965,while Nicol is from 1992.Also,ODB (from 1991) states that he was born in Constantinople,on 8 February 1405. (I have also some history book in serbian from 1989 with same date,but it`s not first class source for this.) CrniBombarder!!!  (†) 11:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: The legend of Constantine XI being turned into marble is thus: that once the Hellenic people (Greeks) "recapture Constantinople" the last Roman/Byzantine Emperor will rise to rule a Byzantium reborn. The article used to reflect this fact. I understand that such a legend still has political concerns today, but that is the truth of this old legend; it makes little sense to reword such a legend just to downplay it's controversial nature. This is an encyclopedia. Period.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikoz78 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend Misrepresented 

message: The ghost of Constantine XI IS prophesized to ride into the city (Constantinople/Istanbul) when Turkey becomes a Christian land again. I could find sources for that if you all insist on it, but can you please let me put that in and leave it there? -The Mysterious El Willstro 209.183.185.226 (talk) 04:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody has since added a reference to what I was referring to, so I appreciate that. -The Mysterious El Willstro 209.183.186.32 (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prophecy 

message: I'm pretty sure that statue is from Athens, not Mistras.  I've seen it there myself and taken pictures of it.  I'm not going to change it since I'm not sure if there is an identical statue in Mistras or not. -HawkeyE (talk) 05:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two statues, one in Mistras, and one in front of the Athens Metropolitan Church (IIRC). They both look very much alike, but I cannot say whether they are identical. However, the statue in question is from Athens, as the original Flickr account suggests. Constantine   ✍  08:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Statue 

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message: I hope this is not a stupid question, but why is the name spelled with "C"? There is no "C" in the Greek alphabet, so the correct spelling would be "Konstantin". 2003:7A:8E08:1A39:8132:A52C:D97F:1599 (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcription 

message: The only controversy I see in the article is Constantine's unionist sentiments. Is that the "controversy" which keeps Constantine as "not been officially canonized by either Church", or is there more, or something else?  Thanks. Jyg (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "controversy surrounding his personal religious beliefs" 

message: will you please stop adding the "citation needed" template everywhere in the article? I've gone through and reverted your edits since I personally made sure that there is not any uncited information in the article. This is an important article that gets a lot of views and adding a template that has no reason to be here is unnecessary and insinuates that the article is of poor quality. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking through the article I can definitely see how the long paragraphs with the reference at the end might make it look as if some parts are uncited. I apologize if my comment above made it seem like I assumed bad faith; I now see why you were concerned. I just woke up so was just surprised to see the template being added so much. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Citation needed" 

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message: Remove "His opinions got invalided later by the Catholic Church." from the note on the religion parameter of the infobox, it's vandalism that was added by Gurylondonic 2804:14C:55:8D94:A4D7:EC78:2E76:7B32 (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2023 

message: Why is the lead so long? A lot of background stuff, needs cleanup. Beshogur (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead too long 

message: Giannisistorikos (talk) 07:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2023 

message: Giannisistorikos (talk) 07:04, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2023 

message: Some suggestions for reducing the article's size:
* The Amendments sections are exceedingly long as well as redundant, considering that List of amendments to the United States Constitution covers the same ground. This main article also links with separate articles on each of the Constitution’s amendments. 
* Judicial Review is another long section that has a main article, Judicial review in the United States.
Both of the above could be reduced to their essence with links provided to the main articles.  I’d appreciate feedback to see if we can reach a consensus on these suggestions.  Allreet (talk) 08:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What does this page have to do with the United States Constitution? Dimadick (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length: suggested “cuts” 

message: After Constantine XI’s demise in 1453, there is only the one Roman emperor left in the western side which is HRE Frederick III. Should Frederick III be the successor of Emperor Constantine XI? because he descended from Emperor Theodore I Laskaris through his daughter Maria Laskarina, wife of Belá IV of Hungary. IMPERATORMANYU (talk) 05:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No reliable source would describe the geopolitical situation that way. We only allow claims on Wikipedia that are verifiable in reliable sources; what you've presented instead is your own original research based on synthesizing various things you've read. Citations to reliable sources explicitly making such claims are required. Furthermore, what we include is based on balancing what all the reliable sources say, so this would not be due in the article regardless, since most sources do not say it. Remsense诉 05:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successor of Constantine XI Palaiologos