Talk:New Democratic Party

message: We should add Republicanism as an ideology of the party https://globalnews.ca/news/7688428/can-canada-abolish-monarchy/ Hcoder3104 (talk) 13:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Republicanism

message: Just a reminder to everybody that it is not necessary or useful for the federal party's infobox to maintain a complete tally of the party's seats in provincial legislatures. Each provincial party already has its own separate article as it is, so there's no valid or useful reason for the federal party's article to get special treatment denied the Liberals or the Conservatives or the Greens. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

text: It's not "special treatment." The other parties' federal and provincial wings aren't linked formally in the way the NDP is. The NDP is the umbrella party, and it has provincial and federal wings. The page should reflect that. BlewsClews (talk) 18:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No it shouldn't. We've got provincial & territorial NDP articles. GoodDay (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  And this is the only party where the provincial and federal parties are linked, which means that the provincial seats are relevant to the umbrella organization which is the federal party. BlewsClews (talk) 18:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Given that the federal and provincial parties are formally linked (unlike the fed-provincial status between the Liberal and Conservatives, although one could make a case of some of them being compiled too--especially the Greens) it makes total sense to list out the provincial tallies, as is done with both the Democratic and Republican pages. (BlewsClews (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We've got NDP provincial/territorial parties, which can handle the info. Please stop re-adding to the article those extra seats. You're engaging in a long drawn out edit war. GoodDay (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Since each provincial party has its own separate article to list its provincial legislature seats in, the NDP does not require special treatment different from how the Liberals or Conservatives handle the same information. How the United States or the United Kingdom handle their political parties is irrelevant, because the US and the UK don't work the same way as Canada does — their parties each operate as one nationwide entity that is responsible for party organization at all levels of government. The Utah Democratic Party is not a separate entity from the national US Democratic Party, but merely the national party's Utah chapter, and the Manchester Labour Party is not a separate entity from the national UK Labour Party — in those countries the whole party, regardless of what level of government is involved, is a single entity. Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May and Vince Cable, for example, are directly involved in municipal elections in the UK, because the parties running local council candidates in the cities and counties are not separate from the parties running MP candidates at Westminster — it's the same organization at both levels. It simply doesn't work the same way in Canada, so what other countries do is irrelevant — we have to decide how to do it based exclusively on what's true in the Canadian system, and not on how any other country does things, and what's true in the Canadian system is that it's unnecessary to reify provincial representation into national party data, because the provincial-level parties already have their own separate articles to list provincial legislature seats in. Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I always thought that most of these info-boxes were meaningless. Certainly the number of seats a party holds in Parliament is important, but adding seats in Yukon, where a member represents 2,000 people, with Ontario, where they represent 100,000 people, gives a false representation of support. Furthermore, in Quebec, the second largest province by population, none of the provincial parties are even unofficially affiliated with the major federal parties. TFD (talk) 15:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

text: It's an info box, to display raw data. How that data is interpreted (i.e. comparisons of provincial seat size, lack of prov-fed linked parties in other provinces) isn't an argument for not presenting the data.BlewsClews (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We've got provincial/territorial NDP articles. Note: We don't put the federal seats totals in each of those articles. GoodDay (talk) 23:35, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right. But the provincial parties are a lower level of government, so it makes sense not to include them in the provincial pages. BlewsClews (talk) 18:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have a consensus here, for what you want. Please drop it & move on. GoodDay (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Sure it is, because we cannot expect readers to be able to correctly interpret the data without this information. Incidentally, the UK info-box also includes local government members for each party. Why not include that too? Incidentally, where is this information taken from? If there are no actual sources that give the totals, then the information is too insignificant for inclusion. Also, territories do not compare to provinces, since they are creations of the federal government, rather than sovereign units. TFD (talk) 01:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Canadian federal and provincial political parties are never directly involved in municipal politics in any Canadian city — the few Canadian cities that actually have political party structures in municipal politics (Vancouver, Montreal, Quebec City, etc.) have completely unique municipal-specific parties that don't correspond in any way to the federal or provincial ones. So where on earth do you propose to get any municipal data from to add it to federal political party infoboxes? Again, the UK runs on a system where the national Conservative, Labour, LibDem, UKIP, etc., parties are directly involved in municipal politics, so what they do is based on how their system works — but it's irrelevant to what we should do, because it's irrelevant to how our system works. Bearcat (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You could say the same thing for the Nunavat council, yet they are included in the number of provincial and territorial members. BTW both Liberals and New Democrats have successfully run candidates for Toronto council. I don't know if other parties in other municipalities have done the same. TFD (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: As one might have guessed, this is my first time uploading an image. Although it appears sharp when you click on it - t becomes blurry in the page, why is that? Aquitoba (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, I figured it out, I think. The png file should have been svg - and I cannot find a way to convert png to svg. Thus, I’ll revert my own changes and let someone else with more experience do it. Aquitoba (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: it all good, I figured it out Aquitoba (talk) 02:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blurry logo 

message: An IP is doing an unusual large number of editing, can someone (with wiki experience) verify whether these edits are appropriate for this article? Aquitoba (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifying Edits 

message: I misclicked on my keyboard so I'll explain myself here. "The mild decline" and "even more decline" are ambiguous and editorial phrases, and not appropriate subheading titles. It is obvious that support for the NDP has declined in the past two elections, but such phrases aren't helpful. How would one phrase the next section if the NDP's seats decreased further in the next election? It's redundant and unnecessary, and of course none of this language is used on the other parties' articles. Any individual can cast their judgement on the NDP, but Wikipedia should not. CentreLeftRight ✉ 06:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Basically in 2019 the party went back to its historical levels of support after losing the gains of the "Orange Crush" of 2011 over two elections. TFD (talk) 16:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subheadings 

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message: Upon discovering the existence of a separate History of the New Democratic Party article I moved a great deal of text and images from the History section to that article. What remains is a pared down summary of the NDP's leadership and electoral fortunes, with extra details only being included for context when neccesary. More in-depth coverage should be kept to the separate History of the New Democratic Party article. Hamish Paul Wilson (talk) 08:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks much better now! — Kawnhr (talk) 16:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant changes to History section 

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message: Dhananjai Kohli	2021–present	First racialized president; United Steelworkers staff representative; formerly Ontario NDP organizer
If what is meant is the first president of non European background or the first South Asian president then I would suggest using those phrases.  The word 'racialized' is not very common usage. Geo8rge (talk) 16:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've borrowed the useful term :visible minority from the lede. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:03, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the phrase "First racialized president" the best choice of words? 

message: @97.97.98.76I'm open to adding it but I don't think Progressivism is needed since Canada is already very socially liberal and every party is Progressivism (using the global definition - regarding only social issues) compared to most of Europe, and using the American definition, all Canadian parties are "progressive" (except the PPC). I'm open for other people's opinion though! ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 14:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s fine in the article body/Ideology section, listed with references, but at the end of the day it’s a pretty meaningless, relatively ambiguous term. Keep progressivism out if the Infobox, as social democracy is a broader and more accurate description.— Autospark (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

text: We had this discussion a few years ago (#Should we include progressivism?) and there was no consensus then, either. I stand by what I said: "progressive" is a very meaningless phrase that just about everybody across the political spectrum will lay some claim to, so it's not something to hang a hat on. It's probably okay in the body, but it shouldn't be in the infobox. — Kawnhr (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Body is fine but infobox is rather unnecessary ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I also oppose adding "progressivism", a generic description, especially when there is already the more specific "social democracy". --Checco (talk) 06:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this term is not very helpful for this article, because more specific terms are already given. If a political party is fascist, the article does not need to add that the party has also been described as conservative. If a political party is liberal, the article does not need to add that the party has also been described as economically liberal. The reason for the inclusion of "progressive" in the article body needs to be more specific than just "because people said so". That's just my opinion though. Yue🌙 20:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Progressivism in ideology infobox?