Talk:Gorgoroth

message: If the Poland incident takes place in February 2004, how is the threatening in 2002 "Shortly after"? SAlpsu 00:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Paradox 

message: You Guys hear about the time in Vatican City where they, like, Sacrificed Goats and got arrested? I saw it on VH1's Most Metal Moments.Animeguy99 17:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incident in Vatican City 

message: How is this relevant to the band?  Sure this and a few odd links (Michael Jackson and the Catholic Encyclopedia) appear in their link listings but other than a humour factor I don't see why it should be included. Death666 14:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links with Nambla 

message: I fail to see in what notable way Gorgoroth reference Tolkien and his writings other than their name. Other artists in the extreme metal scene like Battlelore or Rivendell specifically cite Tolkien's works and base their songs on the Middle-earth universe. Gorgoroth, however, neither references Tolkien in their songs, which cling to the "classic" first wave of BM topics, nor in any interviews. The only linking element is their name, which, in my opinion, does not justify filing them under this category. This makes about as much sense as adding Shagrath of Dimmu Borgir just because he happened to have read LotR and to have taken the name of a minor character, albeit misspelled, as his pseudonym.
To make a long rant short, I propose to remove Gorgoroth from the Middle-earth category because it's simply not justified. Vargher 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, now when you search for Gorgoroth it takes you straight to a small stub-type page that speaks briefly about a place inside a book by an author.  Surely Gorgoroth have more notability then the the stub?  How do we go about changing it so this page shows first with a small "If you where after the Area from LOTR please click here"?
CHSoarer 09:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've removed M-e tag and the page was moved. BTW, take also notice of the Cirith Gorgor article, I suppose it can be linked somehow from here. Súrendil 07:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed as well. I've removed the category tag. WP-ME should keep an unofficial list of things "named after stuff from Tolkien, but which have little or no real connection". Carcharoth 12:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Middle-Earth music and project Middle-earth 

message: I have talked to the band member Teloch and he does not know anything of Joey Jordison playing with Gorgoroth!
Untill someone has got a better source than a band member Im taking his name out. 213.112.96.81 23:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Joey Jordison

message: Infernus is not a former member, yet. In fact he is the only founding member left in the band so theoretically it should be he who gets the rights to the 'Gorgoroth' name. Bathory 08:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: I propose to merge :A Sorcery Written in Blood into the parent article for Gorgoroth. WP:MUSIC indicates that "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs and promo-only records are in general not notable", and there is no stand-alone verification of notability for that one. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I have removed subsections from Gorgoroth#Controversy describing criminal convictions, per Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy. Please provide citations to reliable sources before including material such as this in an article. --Stormie (talk) 00:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of content

message: Apparently, the band has fragmented into two seperate bands now, one being Gorgoroth, and the other being The Force Gorgoroth. Does anyone mind if I put this in rather than the seemingly outdated information regarding the status of the band?-—arf! 06:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me. Cheers :)—arf! 15:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe they were referring to themselves as "The Force" before the break up began; so until there is one definite answer, they are both called Gorgoroth. The record company would never allow another band to have such a similar name. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 21:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorgoroth/The Force Gorgoroth 

message: Gaahl & King still own the name Gorgoroth. The way things are are that Gaahl & King have kicked Infernus out of the band, and the Norweigan patent office have said that they retain the rights to the name. It does not matter that Regain Records think otherwise and will continue their partnership with Infernus and not King and Gaahl because this is simply who they have chosen to continue working with as presumably they can't work with both now that both sides are at war. Infernus has dismissed the Patentstyret as being a bunch of beauracrats but they are the definitive authority over matters such as this. They have made their verdict and it is legal. The fact that Infernus has said he plans to appeal does not mean he has, and appealing against something is an altogether different matter to actually winning an appeal. Unless he wins his appeal, Gaahl and King remain the owners of the Gorgoroth name. --Gpmuscillo (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely - the patent's decision is so far the most official and holds the most authority. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 23:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Even though the research you have done is undeniable, it's still not an official stand, and is original research. However, the links you provided are most interesting, and I think it'd make sense for me to say "watch this space". As the Patent has put the authority in Gaahl's hands, then changing the name to "The Force" isn't required just yet. But as I said, "watch this space"... ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaahl and King are NOT former members 

message: I found this. It should bring some help. Undeath (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I posted it on the gorgoroth.info forums. Although I suppose one could mention what King says, at the same time I feel there's other sources to contest some of the things he has to say. Dark Prime (talk) 09:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, that since he is so adament(sp?) on it being his trademark now, that the decision is final and the band is his now. But, we'll see soon enough. Undeath (talk) 17:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall I list other dubious things he's said and done - starting off with 'thinking it would be easy as that, to get it trademarked to himself as his own personal belonging ad infinitum', when it was arguably illegal? If the decision was indeed final then Infernus wouldn't be appealing (which King himself even acknowledges when he mentions the Kate Lohren demands) and his website would have been shut down. I'm not fooled by what is potentially propaganda to dishearten Infernus supporters and I know how Patenstyrett works. Above all, this is only one source - the same source which released the statement (and it was not released by the Patent Office themselves) that came out shortly after the Regain one. (Dark Prime) 90.196.92.177 (talk) 17:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Feel free to present them, unless you'd like me to present my arguments first. Dark Prime (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Y'see, now even that interviews states that Gaahl and Infernus are the oweners of the name - even by the interviewers themselves, not just King. ≈ The Haunted Angel 20:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to account for the fact that regardless of what opinions the interviewers might have, it might be in their interests to remain professional and to not be confrontational. You also have to question how much the interviewers might know themselves - I doubt they are any more privy to official documents released by the Patent Office etc. than we are. Dark Prime (talk) 20:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You do make a good point, I suppose we'll have to wait until Infernus decides to take this to court to see how it all goes ≈ The Haunted Angel 20:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New(ish) review 

message: This article is becoming cluttered with its representations of both Gorgoroth fronts. Rather than having to specify which front is being mentioned, or using "(Gaahl-fronted version)" or "(Infernus-fronted version)," why not just create a separate page for Infernus' Gorgoroth, and just find appropriate titles for both bands' articles. It would make things a lot easier and less cluttered. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the situation should be left as it is until the court case is resolved, which it should be within a couple of months or so. After that, we'll decide what to do. ≈ The Haunted Angel 19:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate articles for each Gorgoroth incarnation? 

message: I put http://www.myspace.com/160310525 instead of http://www.myspace.com/gorgorothinfernus9, because this is the one which appears in the Gorgoroth Infernus Website (http://www.gorgoroth.info) and the owner of the gorgorothinfernus9 states that "THIS PAGE IS NOT RUN BY INFERNUS, NOR BY ANY OF HIS CLOSE AFFILIATES." Thanks.--190.84.102.27 (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infernus' Gorgoroth Myspace 

message: I think there should be something written about the image of Gorgoroth. Their extensive use of corpse paint, theatrical stage shows, and notoriety in Norway, etc.
Maybe about how they have a very common black metal looks with the paint, upside crosses and arm bands? I don't know. I just see the pictures and there's no text explaining why they look the way they do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.112.230 (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite frankly, I don't think we need any of these. Their imagery just boils down to black metal convention, and I think this article can do without taking the sensationalist angle that the media do. The Krakow controversy as well as Gaahl's and Infernus' convictions are already accounted for in the biography. Dark Prime (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image? 

message: Unfortunately in Norwegian only : . I'm still amazed by the In addition, the Court found that Infernus, as founder of the band, in this case could not be excluded. Then Gaahl and King must are regarded as expelled (or having expelled themselves) of the band. The story is full of bands which fired founding members, so? Hervegirod (talk) 22:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A copy of the judgement 

message: I don't think this is directly related to the Gorgoroth name dispute, because:
* it seems that Gaahl and King were not aware / did not agree of the distribution of the live stuff, leading to a dispute on if this album could legally be distributed. It could have happened even without the band split.
* further, King's bass parts were erased and replaced by Infernus (not Gaahls part). As for any live recording, musicians who participated in the recording have a say on whether the result could be used / distributed, except if there was an agreement before on its distribution (which was maybe the case, but it will be determined by the court). Hervegirod (talk) 10:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, when it was announced that the album distribution was halted, Gaahl and King were reffered to as the "copyright holders", implying that the dispute bore some relevance. To be honest, I'm not familiar with laws pertaining to live recordings concerning the participation of musicians, just studio ones. Dark Prime (talk) 12:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think your last edit on this part of the text was small but OK !! Hervegirod (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live In Grieghallen  

message: At the moment i think the line up history is taking up too much space. What do people think about turining it into a collapsable list? It would help to clear things up a bit at the bottom of the page and make it easier to read. Check my talk page for what a collapsable list of the line up history would look like (it might need a little editing) Pyro Stick (talk) 08:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'll second your proposal, I definitely understand what you mean. I'm unable to do this right now though, so I'll do it later unless anyone else can do it now. Dark Prime (talk) 09:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Be sure to find a way to retain the boxes though. Dark Prime (talk) 09:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's funny, if you look in your talk page, you will see that my proposal goes into the same direction ;) In fact the table was the primary reason for my (faulty) adding of these br tags Hervegirod (talk) 11:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Im not that good with all the wiki code so i dont know how to keep the boxes. Ill just make the initial edit right now then and someone can improve on it later and add in the boxes. Pyro Stick (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I learned while trying. It is not so difficult... when you have finally found a way to do it ;) Hervegirod (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done! I've just incorporated this into the line-up history for Belphegor, which I took from here a few days ago. Dark Prime (talk) 12:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gorgoroth Line Up History

message: Is there a reason why this compliation cd hasnt been added to Gorgoroth's discography? Just thought i would ask before adding it myself.  Pyro Stick Haud Yer Wheesht! 22:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's a bootleg/unofficial release. :P Dark Prime (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh. Just as well i didnt buy it then. But it looks like quite a good compilation. I still think it should be added to the discograhpy as long as its made clear that is a bootleg/unofficial release.  Pyro Stick Haud Yer Wheesht! 22:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Trouble is, if we did that, there would be gallons of entries we'd be listing. I don't know if wikipedia policy allows for inclusion of bootlegs. The band themselves certainly haven't expressed their endorsement, nor have other sites (such as Metal Archives) listed them. Dark Prime (talk) 22:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policy is fairly clear... we don't list bootlegs unless they have recieved significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beginning

message: So does the information of Pest or Tormentor's real names exist anywhere? I believe these need to be added to the article as well as their respective articles as well. • GunMetal Angel 19:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real names 

message: Hoest is still part of touring line up in 2013 Hammer Open Air tiipou (talk) 06:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoest 

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