Talk:Commanders of World War II

message: Good to get this article started. I have a few ideas about formatting, be interested to hear what others think...
Order
Could be alphabetical, but I think probably best would be "Allies", "Axis Powers" and "Others", also showing their country flags, to keep it in line with the format of the infobox on the main World War Two page.
Descriptions
I envisage eventually brief descriptions of each commander and their role, background and battles.
Political Commanders
Political commanders of military forces are briefly mentioned in the lead, I would like to have a section on this.
Eventual fate
Many Axis commanders and some others were eventually killed or imprisoned. This might make an interesting comment.
Infobox
Should we have an infobox on this page - if so, which one?
Just some introductory ideas. Thanks. MarkThomas 13:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly there should be some kind of decision how importnant commander needs to be to get included in article.--Staberinde 13:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have kind of a radical idea.  What about grouping them according to purpose?  Wouldn't it be more interesting to have commanders associated with the air war together, or the surface fleets, or submarines, or tanks, or high command?  At this stage I think we could start the article with general level and above, with exceptions being made for other noteworthy officers.  The definition of "noteworthy" is going to be all sorts of screwed up, but maybe requiring more than one source would help weed them out.  Also interesting would be some stats on casualty rates (lower than for WWI commanders) etc.  Haber 13:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That's cool.  Do what you want with it.  Fantasy Commander League sounds good.  Too bad Hitler wasn't featured on the cover of Madden '38. Haber 22:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial discussion

message: Is Kruschev really enough importnant to be included in article. Im afraid that if we start adding generals who had similar importance then article will become huge.--Staberinde 12:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikita Kruschev?? 

message: Apart from being rather POV wording, I wonder how we can really interpret this as a header. Battle casualties can be added in but are we really just interested in the losses "inflicted" on the enemy? Isn't the mark of a good commander how few troops he loses achieving victory? Perhaps something more factual like "maximum no of troops under command" or something like that might be better? MarkThomas 15:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, casualties inflicted should be replaced with something else.--Staberinde 10:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Losses, eh? Are you thinking of replacing it with Battles lost / Battles won? --Oshah 22:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be also quite problematic because how big battles should count? Also sometimes one side gets tactical victory and other one strategical victory. It gets confuseing really fast.--Staberinde 17:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties inflicted 

message: One key question - which of us is going to be brave enough to take on Germany? :-) MarkThomas 08:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  You guys are doing such a great job I'm tempted to just sit back and see how this pans out. Haber 13:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be pointless to start searching and adding references about all those commanders. In my opinion we may as well leave that unreferenced tag in article if necessary.--Staberinde 13:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Germany

message: I was wondering if this article should include the political heads (Hitler, Churchill, Truman etc.) of the war as part of the article (after all, this article is not limited to the military). We could introduce each country by briefly describing their leaders (keeping the leaders separate from the tables, so we don't have to worry about e.g what their highest award was, what battles they were involved in). --Oshah 23:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not, "commanders" usually means only military commanders. Also poltical leaders could as well get their own article(if someone wants to create it).--Staberinde 18:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we add leaders too? 

message: I was thinking maybe we should add Tojo as commander. He wasn't civilian commandeing armies like Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini but a officer who also had got civilian power, similar to Chiang Kai-shek in China. Any thoughts?--Staberinde 18:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok. Haber 18:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I personally would not add political commanders in this article as I like it as it is.--Staberinde 16:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tojo 

message: Though this list can obviously never be truly complete (what constitutes a "commander", and how many people from how many countries are we going to include?), but what you've got here already looks very nice. It's a good concept for a list/article, and useful. Plus, I really like the color-coding, the flag icons, and the pictures. These kinds of things, while not a substitute for content, are always a great addition. LordAmeth 01:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMILHIST Assessment

message: This is a beautifully presented piece, but at the end of the day it is still surely a list - so shouldn't its title be "List of Commanders of World War II"?HeartofaDog 18:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very new article.  It has the potential to include more information, like the problems of command, differences between countries, evolution during the war, etc.  Given the stunning growth of the article, I'm inclined to leave it with the simpler, more inclusive name. Haber 19:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename? 

message: The "verification needed" tags spray-painted have basically ruined the page. Given that these micro-snippets of text all point to major articles on each commander, each heavily referenced, do we really need them? MarkThomas 22:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with you. It really detracts from the article. This article is little more than a list linking to the main articles where all the referencing should be in place already. --LiamE 03:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fact tag mania 

message: 99% sure Erich Raeder didn't committed suicide.
:It looks like the ref is to the Oxford Companion.  Maybe someone who owns it can check for us. Haber 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erich Raeder 

message: I tried to add some men to the italian list specifically (Junio Valerio Borghese, Emilio De Bono, and Rodolfo Graziani) but for the life of me can't figure out how the tables work.  Oh well.  Also - what's with the 22px next to some names?  Is that a part of a failed attempt to add flag thumbnails? --NEMT 04:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a lot of work 

message: By what crieria do we include and exclude commanders?  If we allow any officer who was in charge of a command then it's going to be a very long list.  I suggest that we limit the list to at least 4 star officers.  We could make it 5 star officers only? Greenshed 22:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion and Exclusion criteria

message: Shouldn't we list the commanders in order of rank? For instance, Patton, a 4 star, is listed before MacArthur, a 5 star. Should we change that? --LtWinters 20:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order 

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message: Mao Zedong should be replaced by Zhu De as Mao Zedong was only the political leader of the Communist Party of China but Zhu De was the Commander-in-Chief of the Red Army at that time or even don't need to put the Communist into the list.--67.168.185.5 01:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mao Zedong should be replaced by Zhu De

message: I can't see any logic in how the allied countries are distributed. It's definately not alphabetical - but if it were based on military contribution, than surely having United States and United Kingdom above USSR is not reasonable at any rate. Does anybody know, why the order is as it is? With respect, Ko Soi IX (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I dont think there is any order here. It is just how people have added new countries, quite random. But if you want to create some order then I suggest alphabetical, otherwise we just get here another never ending argument.--Staberinde (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of combatants

message: I think Australia was important enough as a player in World War II to warrant a section under Allied leaders, especially as minor european nations are on the list. We were probably the 4th most important player in the Pacific Theatre after US, China and the UK.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.198.171 (talk) 02:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Who else do you want? There are quite a few Australian representatives here. Wallie (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

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message: What does it signify, and why is not obvious or explained in the article? 174.6.46.8 (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is there to make each commander stand out. It was intended to be a style going blue white blue white etc. for everyone. Wallie (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light blue background on some of the characters 

message: Why isn't Admiral Leahy on this list? 99.106.222.8 (talk) 05:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admiral Leahy 

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message: I propose to remove the RAF officers who were born in New Zealand from the New Zealand section.  During the war, they were fighting for the United Kingdom as regular RAF officers.  Otherwise, we should be listing non-combatant countries whose sons fought in the armed forces of other nations (e.g. the Republic of Ireland).  As a RNZAF officer, Air Vice-Marshal Leonard Monk Isitt might usefully be added to the New Zealand section though. Greenshed (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand 

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