Talk:Dalai Lama/Archive 3

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose. See below for reasoning. Stwalkerster talk review 19:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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*I oppose this because this article gives (or should give) details about the Dalai Lama(s) in general, and each separate page about each Dalai Lama give info about each individual Dalai Lama. eg. 
::Dalai Lama: The dalai lama is... 
::Dalai Lama the Xth: This Dalai Lama was born on ...
:Thanks, Stwalkerster talk review 19:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay The pages should give this information, but why in the title? The pages should also list when they were born, but pages shouldn't be title "Firsname Lastname, Xth Dalai Lama, born in XXXX." And why are they titled, for instance, "Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama" instead of "Tenzin Gyatso, Fourteenth Dalai Lama?" I have no objection to the title "Dalai Lama" in the name per se, but the arbitrary fashion in which it has been added. What about "Tenzin Gyatso, Dalai Lama" or "Tenzin Gyatso (Dalai Lama)"? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 20:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I presume that the reference to the likelihood of the 14th Dalai Lama being reborn is part of the referenced statement made by him, and I therefore propose adding the word "that" to it to clarify this. Otherwise, it looks like a statement of fact from the author rather than the Lama's personal opinion. After all, there is no scientific evidence supporting the idea of reincarnation. Here is the quote:
"However, he has also stated that the purpose of his repeated incarnations is to continue unfinished work and, as such, if the situation in Tibet remains unchanged, [that] it is very likely that he will be reborn to finish his work"
Omega Man 07:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is again the common misunderstanding of the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. He will not be reborn to be the Dalai Lama again, the manifestation of the Buddha of Compassion will remanifest in another person. The current Dalai Lama has made thorough comments in interviews regarding this, the most recent in print I've already cited earlier. The continued confusion of this topic on wikipedia is astounding. And, please, don't respond with anything regarding reincarnation and science, you'll be stating the obvious and beating an already thoroughly beaten dead horse. --Bentonia School 10:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting (I had neglected to notice your previous comment). I've never been very clear on what the official line is on this topic. I wonder how well these comments by the Dalai Lama that you've cited accord with what other Tibetan Buddhist sources say about it. I also wonder what the most authoritative source for general information about this would be—maybe something like the Oxford Dictionary of Buddhism?—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to find other sources. --Bentonia School 08:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'The continued confusion of this topic on wikipedia is astounding.' Of course it is, lamaism is just a system of muddled up beliefs. 86.161.56.69 22:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your disrespect for what many millions of people believe is quite astounding as well... Can we please keep this a decent discussion on how to improve this article, you can find out more about Buddhist views on many discussion forums on the web - THIS PAGE IS NOT A DISCUSSION FORUM ON BUDDHIST BELIEFS.rudy 22:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on rudy, there are 5 to 6 thousand million people on this planet at this very moment; a few million is an insignificant number, it won't even change the margin of error figure. Respect must be given to the truth, how can you base a discussion or entry in an encyclopedia without proof? 86.161.56.69 21:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should also respect all followers of Rasputin. 86.161.56.69 21:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we should disrespect all minorities: then why do you bother to work on the entry of the beliefs of a minority? Perhaps you are a minority who thrives on disrespect, should I therefore ignore and disrespect you? Your logic matches a 6-year old, sorry. rudy 22:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reincarnation