Talk:Rocky IV

message: At the beginning of the final round between Rocky and Drago, Drago says something to Rocky, there's been much debate about what it actually is in our office.  Can anyone confirm that it is 'to bad.'?
Many thanks
I think he says "To the end."
I'm fairly sure he says "you're dead," but with a mouthpiece and a russian accent, it's hard to say for sure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.71.185 (talk) 04:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: says

message: Okay the beginning of the article says Rocky retired after his fight with Clubber Lang, but then goes on to say that he voluntarily gives up the World Heavyweight Championship to fight Drago since the boxing commission refuses to sanction it.  What's the problem?  How can Rocky be the champion if he retired?  If he retired then he gave up the title as soon as he retired.  Is this a problem with the article or an overlooked problem with the movie's plot?
:It should be noted that in ROCKY III they talk about retiring after fighting Clubber, but it is never stated that he actually did retire. Mcflytrap 20:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A problem

message: I have just watched the DVD version.
A part seemed blurred out at Apollo's funeral.
The screen-grab is located at: http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2352/rocky4wm7.jpg
Can someone explain this ? 
It might be worth adding.
* That's caused by using a device called a split diopter. A split diopter allows a camera to remain in focus on both foreground and background objects, but it also (rather unfortunately) tends to produce blurring around the middle of the frame. Depending on how the shot is composed, this blurring can be extremely noticable (as in this shot) or not at all. Usually when the blurring occurs in a portion of the frame that is occupied by heavy object lines (such as the edge of the statue), it is very apparent. Bertaut (talk) 01:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: excellent synopsis.  BTW, when drago punches that red puffy thing, what exactly do the numbers that show up on the LEDs represent? Streamless 19:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praise and Question 

message: Why is there no mention of Paulie's Robot or the Amazing Soundtrack in this article?? --SeannyFunco 14:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead: be bold and add away.  Tempshill 03:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Pieces 

message: I think that Drago says "To the end" at the beginning of the final round, meaning that he will fight Rocky his hardest till its over.  I really like how Rocky waits to hit Drago in the last round, similar to the way Drago fought Apollo Creed.  BTW, those numbers when Drago hits the red bag are pounds of pressure.
:Drago says "You're dead" to Rocky before the final fight.  Between his mouthpiece and his lack of skill at the English language, it's difficult to decipher. GCD1 14:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drago 

message: I deleted the part about it being the highest grossing sports movie of all time.  The longest yard remake outgrossed it both domestically and internationally.  I think it was passed by another movie as well, but I can't remember.  Perhaps it is the highest grossing sports movie of all time adjusted for inflation?  
Mls737 05:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest Grossing Sports Movie

message: Was the robot a real product in the 1980s? -- Toytoy 18:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was that household robot 

message: "Creed? "
"Mantra. "
In Word 2000, there was Rocky. Rocky requires 16-bit-color-mode. On modern OSes, this takes a perceivable change. Perceivable for everyone. I do not know  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A548:BDDC:0:5C1D:1988:4643:48DF (talk) 06:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does god want anyone to be saved qm 

message: Someone wrote about how Rocky defeats the Soviet Army with a punch and storms Normandy in the first paragraph.  I will remove this unless I hear an objection.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.82.82 (talk) 22:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The article lists one of the bands contributing to this soundtrack as Europe, but it is not mentioned at all in the Rocky 4 Soundtrack article. What gives? Swampfox1942 (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe in Soundtrack?

message: I am watching Rocky IV on DVD right now. At the start of the press conference, after Apollo's funeral (about 33min 52sec into the movie) is when this is discussed. At 33:58, a reporter asks "Is this the first time the Champion has given up his crown?". Then, at 34.01 a newspaper is shown with the headline "ROCKY vs RUSSIAN - Rocky gives up title to avenge Apollo's death". I do not know why he had to give it up, perhaps unsanctioned fighting is against the rules of the Boxing Commission, but either way I hope this clears things up once and for all. --User:Hayden5650 (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Definitive Answer to Rocky Giving Up His Title 

message: That is one of the catagories- is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.184.81 (talk • contribs) 08:42, September 25, 2009
:I don't think it should be, and I'm dubious about other entries at :Category:American anti-communist propaganda films.  I'll start discussion to see what others think. Erik (talk | contribs | wt:film) 13:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda? 

message: During the working out scene in the film, with the soundtrack "Hearts on fire" I am curious of the weight that Ivan Drago is lifting. The barbell he pushes above his head has three iron plates on either side, so if anyone has the information on that it would be most appreciated. The-do-right-man 15:26, 03 May  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The-do-right-man (talk • contribs) 14:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work out scene. 

message: Does the film specify that Drago was Russian? Keep in mind that Soviet and Russian aren't the same thing. His nickname suggests that he was from Siberia, but Siberia was partially in Kazakhstan at the time. It's been some time since I've seen the film, so I can't remember whether or not his place of birth is mentioned more specifically than Soviet Union. I'm sure American characters in the film call him Russian, but this is a subject people are willingly ignorant about. He could have been Latvian, Kazakh or Belorussian and been no less Soviet.  Unless it can be verified that he was in fact born in the Russian SFSR, he should only be referred to as Soviet and not Russian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.172.148 (talk) 05:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian? 

message: An editor keeps adding details of a Facebook campaign to have the film added to the National Film Registry: . Please note that it is against Wikipedia guidelines to add propaganda to articles. In keeping with WP:NOTADVOCATE the details of the campaign should be sourced through a reliable WP:SECONDARY source so the campaign is documented in an encylopedic manner and not a promotional one i.e. we make readers aware of the coverage the campaign has received, not the existence of the campaign. Betty Logan (talk) 03:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facebook campaign 

message: A recent AFD for Ivan Drago was closed as keep but with merge options on the table. The issue with Drago's article is that 90% of it duplicates the plot of Rocky IV and otherwise trying to portray the fictional character as a real-world boxer (even with athlete boxes), and the rest - the influence of the character, is universally tied with the impression of the USSR at the time of this film smack in the middle of the Cold War - Drago himself is not so much notable as it is how the USSR was portrayed and Drago represented as a symbol of that. This content should be merged into here. --MASEM (t) 18:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *The whole movie is like that. Pretty much everything about it warrants discussion, and the character is only a part of that. Anything placed into this article is just going to be copying the main article without anything unique on the topic. TTN (talk) 19:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: suspecting sources exist is not the same as actually providing them. the proof of the puddins in the tasting? got a spoonful you can share? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:18, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge for Ivan Drago into Rocky IV 

message: At the end of the "analysis" section it says that "On experiment showed after viewing the movie, some Russian subject lost self-esteem". However, on the source given the author says that the experiment was the reverse of what's described: Which is, a modified version of the movie was shown in which Rocky lost to the Russian (rather than defeated him). The source itself cites another source on this experiment, though, which is the European Journal of Social Psychology 24(6), (November–December 1994), pp. 641–657. Unfortunately I haven't been able to check the Journal myself, so instead of suggesting anything I'll just ask: Should this statement stays the way it is now or should it be changed to match the source given?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.52.119.132 (talk) 00:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement in the article and source given do not match 

message: Should there be some mention of the film's training montage as a pop-culture touchstone? It, along with its accompanying music have been referenced in numerous subsequent productions as a kind of pinnacle of '80s montages, including Family Guy, linked here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXej_1-Mv38  — Preceding unsigned comment added by O0drogue0o (talk • contribs) 09:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We would need independent reliable sources making this observation. -  SummerPhDv2.0 16:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training Montage 

message: "Drago's trainer comments that American society has become "pathetic and weak" and "antagonistic and violent," a common fascist trope depicting an enemy both weak and strong at the same time"
Well, Apollo Creed literally says this: "It's us against them". If you think about this, this line alone makes the American side as much fascist as the Soviet side.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.234.98.17 (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The problem with the analysis