Talk:Herbert Samuel, 1st Viscount Samuel

message: this article is the best article i read about Herbert Samuel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abiedanzig (talk • contribs) 07:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  very good 

message: אני החמור המשוח - אוכל הלחם מבית הלחם —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abiedanzig (talk • contribs) 07:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  from Peretz Green 

message: “This led to the bizarre situation where a Jew, Herbert Samuel, was to appoint the Islamic leader”
I am not sure what is bizarre about this situation? The Sultan was not temporal by religion, he was a Muslim. But his position was temporal. Similarly, if the British High Commissioner were a Christian by religion, it would not matter, since his position was temporal. The same applies to Herbert Samuel.
So what is so bizarre here? Please explain. 75.84.97.215 10:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not bizarre at all, since anyone who was High Commissioner at the time would have had this task.  The article is actually very thin on the issue of Samuel's work in Palestine and his relationship with the Zionists and the Arabs.  --Zerotalk 12:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is so bizarre? 

message: Palestine was not a national entity in the first world war. Britain and its allies conquered the Ottoman empire and Britain received the mandate to govern Palestine. I believe this was confirmed in the Versailles treaty and later by the League of Nations.
Shenkin 14:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Britain conquered Palestine, exactly as she conquered Iraq, which wasn't a national entity either. That Britain did not conquer all of the Ottoman Empire does not change the fact of conquest of half of it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britain didn't "conquer Palestine" as stated 

message: User:Canadian Monkey favored the omission of term 'Jewish' from the intro citing the fact as irrelevant, thus making Right Honourable H.S. "British" instead of "British Jewish"; however this fact should be considered rather germane for following reasons: first of all - the man himself definitely considered this fact to be of more than marginal importance (both in his own life and also in context of his involvements). Second - the article does discuss (in following sections) his adherence to Kashruth, his Zionist views, nuances related to his position as High Commissioner, etc. where all narrative makes sense on implied understanding that he was Jewish; the encyclopedia article should not be written this way, i.e. the facts relevant to the consequent narrative should be introduced explicitly beforehand. Finally, for certain reasons some people consider paying attention to 'historical firsts', precedent setting and so on, and in present case the man was first ever Jewish member of the cabinet. Given all this I would suggest not being squeamish about Herbert Samuel's roots and religion and ackowledge the fact that he was British Jewish. DBWikis (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is questioning that he was Jewish, or if he knew he was Jewish - but as he wasn't a central figure in Judaism, his personal belief system is irrelevant to an encyclopedic article, and certainly doesn't not belong in the lead. Canadian Monkey (talk) 17:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point that only central figures in Judaism should merit reference to as being Jewish is very interesting. Why mention that he was British then? After all he unfortunately was not one of the central figures in Great Britain's culture/history/etc. either. No, we mention that H.S. was British for simple reason... that British he was; same with Jewish, quite simple. If you would say that his eyes were certain color or his favorite meal was such-and-such - I would agree with you because those details are evidently irrelevant, however his background must be considered germane for the encyclopedic article for sure. Please consider my second and third points above too. Then please re-read the article: in section 'Early Years' it says he had religious upbringing. How the reader unfamiliar with H.S. (and every encyclopedic article must be developed in assumption that prior knowledge of the reader on the article's subject is rather minimal) will conclude that religion in subject is Judaism, if we do not bother to indicate his Jewish background? I think we should ask you to substantiate your point that Herbert Samuel's Jewish heritage is 'not pertinent' in better details, if possible, please. DBWikis (talk) 05:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The practice on Wikipedia is to mention religion only if it is central to the person's notability. In contrast, nationality is mentioned in every case. Please edit in accordance with current practice, as described here, or make a case for changing it on the appropriate Talk page. Canadian Monkey (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to H.S.'s heritage/religion in opening section 

message: Is the stuff about searching for Bensalem true as it doesn't seem in keeping with the rest of his life? Can anyone give references?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.152.238.35 (talk) 10:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bensalem

message: Hi, I knew nothing about Herbert Samuel until reading this page.  Unfortunately, I am now confused.  In the text it says he renounced all religious belief.  In the box it states his religion as Jewish.  Should the box say None or Atheist or ...? As it stands, this is definitely confusing and contradictory.  Can someone who knows the subject bring these into line. Many thanks. 86.146.12.57 (talk) 09:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Renouncing religious belief does not erase a person's Jewishness. Even actively converting to another religion won't help (see Nazi Germany).--Geewhiz (talk) 09:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: Lloyd George famously said of Samuel "when they circumcised him, they threw away the wrong bit", a witty way of making an anti-Semitic jibe at his expense. Anyone know when he said it?Paulturtle (talk) 14:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Bit Thrown Away 

message: The expression "Kept Kosher" is jargon possibly understood only by Jewish people. An alternative (or an explanation) would be better. 
e.g. Observed Jewish food rules.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkesselman (talk • contribs) 17:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kept Kosher 

message: He was the first nominally practising Jew ...
What does that mean?  Either he did actually practise the Jewish religion, or he did not.  And if he did, how does that square with his atheism?  I'm confused.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:07, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominally practising Jew?

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