Talk:Harry Potter family tree

message: I have a feeling this is going to be a (hopefully very) minor controversy for a bit, so I thought I'd put this here.  The "II" suffix for Lilly and James are correct.  Though American tradition usually relies more on Jr and Sr for males, and usually only applies to a father and son of the exact same name, British tradition is generally to add incrementing roman numerals even if generations are skipped.  For example {{George_II_of_Great_Britain|King George II]] was the son of {{George_I_of_Great_Britain|King George I]], but he was the GRANDfather of King George III.  Personally, if there was ever a time when we should prefer the British common system of the American, this would be it.  Just my opinion.   Maijstral  05:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no difference between British and American tradition here; the difference is between royalty and non-royalty (royalty never uses "Jr./Sr."). For non-royalty, the "Jr." suffix is used when the son has the exact same name (including middle names) as his father (which is why George W. Bush is not "George Bush, Jr."). If a generation is skipped, or if a child has the exact same name as, say, an uncle, the II suffix is used instead. Women very rarely get the Jr., II, etc., suffixes, probably because traditionally a girl's last name at birth is her father's name, not her mother's maiden name. Thus, a girl whose maiden name (e.g. Lily Potter) is the same as her grandmother's married name (e.g. Lily Potter, née Evans), does not get the II suffix. But James Potter II does get the suffix, assuming his middle name (if he has one) is the same as his grandfather's middle name (if he had one), or if neither of them has a middle name). —Angr 11:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  II vs Jr 

message: I was wondering if someone was going to expand this to include the long link to Voldemort.  However, considering that this is supposed to specifically be HP's family tree, and that if we are going to go far enough back up, and then back down, to include Voldemort, the actual relationship is minimal at best.  From other evidence, the entire Weasley, Malfoy and Lestrange families are much more closesly related to the Potters.  While it's nice to show that through many hundreds/thousands of years genealogy  Voldemort and Harry are related, this  tree is getting too  big.  I'd say we revert it back, but I don't want to do this without hearing other opinions.  -- Maijstral  10:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User is unable to reply because Snatchers appeared and hauled him in for questioning.   Maijstral  19:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting Too Big? 

message: I think, considering that the Gaunts had possession of the Ressurrection Stone, that Voldemort is descended from Cadmus Peverell. I'm not quite sure how this template works, so could someone change the dotted line from the Peverells to the Guants into a solid one from Cadmus? →evin290 19:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some needs to do some checking in the books. It is only stated that the ring had been in Gaunts family for centuries and Marvolo believed that the symbol was the Peverell coat of arms. It was never stated which brother they are descended from. Also Cadmus Peverell committed suicide after seeing his deceased fiancée and being unable to be with her. So it does not really seem to me that he had children, but I could be wrong (Only JK knows). Anyhow as the branch of the tree stands now that links Cadmus Peverell to the Gaunt family is considered original research. (Duane543 02:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: *There is a similar discussion of this matter going on at the Harry Potter Family Tree page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harry_Potter_family_tree There is certainly no evidence of Slytherin as a descendant of the Peverells (or even if he is younger than them) and there is doubt over the Gaunt's line. However as there is no official word either way I guess you have to believe Marvolo's claim. Linden Ryuujin 13:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voldemort's Peverell Relation 

message: Is there any firm word on what Marge is short for? As far as I know she is only ever called Marge which could be short for Margaret or Marjorie. For now I'm changing the name to Marge. Linden Ryuujin 08:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, I've just been re-reading The Prisoner of Azkaban and Fudge uses her full name (Marjorie) when talking Harry outside the Leaky Cauldron. Linden Ryuujin 21:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marjorie Dursley 

message: I can't recall any mentions of a spouse, but as he had two children who where Pure-blood, maybe some note or a "Unknown" might be added.  CHANDLER    17:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marvolo Gaunt's spouse? 

message: I am going to rework the tree so that all the siblings go from oldest to youngest. If anyone wants to see the progress go here and leave some feedback if you want. CSLoomis 20:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest to Youngest 

message: I'm not quite sure how this template works, but I'd like to say that Percy and Fred Weasly aren't mentioned. Could someone please fix that. Shnib 23:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percy and Fred 

message: Would some please standartize the other large family trees the Black Family Tree and the Weasley Family tree, by color coding the generations. Any thoughts?→041744 01:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Colour-coding is not standard practice for a family tree and unless you are very subtle in your choice of colours it makes it much harder to read. JM2C. AulaTPN 07:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And The Black Family Tree doesn't need it. The generations are very clear. Therequiembellishere 15:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note, if we arrange it like the Black family tree, we wouldn't need these colours. Therequiembellishere 20:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Standardize

message: Where does it say that the Gaunt family are decedents of Cadmus? This is what the book says.
::Meanwhile, the seconds brother (Cadmus) journeyed to his own home, where he lived alone... ...To his amazement and his delight, the figure of the girl he had once hoped to marry before her untimely death, appeared at once before him... ...Finally, the second brother driven mad with hopeless longing, killed himself so as truly to join her
:To me it doesnt sound like he ever had any children (where he lived alone) or other wife (why would he try to call back his old tonsil hockey teammate from the dead if he already had a new one?).
:The first brother Antioch is a possibility because nothing is said about him (we don't know how old they where when they got the deathly hallows). The only one we know had children is Ignotus, and i think that both Harry's family and the Gaunt's are decedents of him. If you say "the gaunts got the stone", It could just as easily have been stolen from Cadmus after his death, or left to his only living brother Ignotus? Maybe he had two children, gave them each one of the hallows. Chandlertalk 06:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And a link?.. Chandlertalk 11:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: All that the web chat says is J.K. Rowling: Yes, Harry and Voldemort are distantly related through the Peverells.  Of course, nearly all wizarding families are related if you trace them back through the centuries. As was made clear in Deathly Hallows, Peverell blood would run through many wizarding families.. Nothing about "Harry through Ignotus and Voldy through Cadmus." Chandlertalk 04:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When Marvolo Gaunt shows Bob Ogden the Horcrux ring, he said is was his ancestor's. The stone passed from Cadmus through various generations to Marvolo, the same the cloak passed to Harry from Ignotus.--Lord Opeth (talk) 04:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The stone can't be passed through Cadmus as it is almost specified that he has no children... The more likely conclusion i've drawn is, Ignotus got the stone and passed it down, and somewhere along the line the cloak was given to one child, and the stone to another? Chandlertalk 06:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaunt from Cadmus 

message: Would someone please get rid of the colors on this template and on Template:Weasleyfamilytree and keep it that way!  Who was the Wikipedia user that thought of the idea to use the colors for the Harry Potter trees (please answer this question)?  It's really annoying to see those awful colors.  --TimySmidge 20:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Colors make it easier to read and follow. --74.183.4.187 (talk) 16:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE!!! 

message: Could we format it like the Black Family Tree? It would solve a lot of problems, especially if we keep it with he same font size. Therequiembellishere 21:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: Anyone know what Percy Weasley's wife Audrey's last name is? She should be on the tree, but I cannot place her on there until I know her last name. I suspect I should just put "Audrey Weasley", but I want to put her original name on there. Anyone know? ZanderX (talk) 12:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audrey who?