Talk:Heikki Kovalainen

message: Does anyone have a decent source for this story, rather than "he told his friends"? It needs to be rewritten as well, due to the poor English, but I won't bother if someone can come up with a more reliable source. Bretonbanquet (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source quotes a Times article. I'm looking for it right now. LeaveSleaves talk 01:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Straits Times has reported that he has mentioned unhappiness to his close friends. I could not find the actual report but others have mentioned this report, , . LeaveSleaves talk 01:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just found the same thing myself - no primary source, but a few secondary ones. I also found a quote from Kovalainen denying the whole thing.  Sounds like a non-event. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what do you think should be done? Is it worth mentioning the report, since don't have the primary source? Otherwise we'd at least need to add the denial info. LeaveSleaves talk 02:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are having trouble finding good reports, is it notable? Wait until something interesting happens. If we mentioned every time a second driver felt overshadowed we'd never write anything else. Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 02:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it. If there is further info on on this we can add it again. LeaveSleaves talk 02:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's best. The original article is conspicuous by its absence, and Kovalainen himself denied it anyway, so it's just not worthy of inclusion. Unless, as LeaveSleaves says,  it pops up again somewhere else, somewhere a bit more reliable. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Kovalainen has said that he has several times qualified behind Hamilton only because he had the heavier fuel load (with only one pit, there has to be a difference). This Autosport interview  says as much - "if you really measure the speed". I have seen no other report that he was disgruntled by this, or is threatening to leave the team if it doesn't change, though. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 12:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't the driver be aware and part of fueling strategies during qualifying? I can't imagine McLaren refueling Kovalainen's car without discussing with him and I don't see how heavier fuel loads should implicate solely McLaren. LeaveSleaves talk 13:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh? Of course he would - who ever said he wasn't? -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 16:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My point exactly. That was a rhetorical question. LeaveSleaves talk 17:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're being very mysterious, LeaveSleaves ;) Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 11:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The article pretty much states the same things as articles mentioned earlier. There is no direct quote from Kovalainen but a comment from people close to him. Until there is substantial indication from Kovalainen himself, I don't think we should add it. LeaveSleaves talk 03:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I essentially agree. But I think we should recognize that this article puts the rumour in the realm of plausibility. But it is still just a rumour. Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 03:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He did mention the fuel load issue on camera on Finnish TV, saying "this is what the team has decided for this season", hoping for a change next season, which some might interpret as unhappiness, others as a disagreement about tactics. But then immediately afterwards he again said that he is very happy at the team, which he has repeated many times. I haven't seen any direct comments from him where he would've said he was unhappy. In Hockenheim directly after the race he was frustrated and commented "they didn't even let me race" (about having to let Hamilton by), but then a bit later he had calmed down and said it was of course the right call and he didn't disagree with it because he was having problems and Hamilton was faster. The main place where these "unhappy" rumours came from, I believe, was an article in Helsingin Sanomat where the reporter had taken some of his comments out of context. Kovalainen had repeated his opinion about the fuel issue, and also gave his comments about Hamilton's aggressive driving when asked (this was post-Fuji). The reporter only published the comments where he seemed to be critical, and left out the parts where he defended Lewis. This made it seem like he was being very critical of the team and Lewis. Another newspaper reported his full comments, which made them feel a lot less confrontational. This "he has told friends" business feels like it was made up from this story. And even if he had said that to his friends, who's to say they understood/reported his words correctly. Certainly rumours like this aren't strong enough to make it a fact that he's unhappy, when he denies it and says the opposite himself. IMO. Vakie81 (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite. Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 00:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: He races for Team Lotus, not Lotus-Renault GP. Lotus-Renault GP is an entirely different team. Stop reverting to bad information. 
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.87.58 (talk) 05:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that it is you with the bad information. There is no hyphen in Lotus Renault GP, and their constructor is listed as just Renault, as the team are sponsored by Group Lotus. Team Lotus run Renault engines, and as such, their constructor designation is Lotus-Renault. It is pretty clear to see here, which complies with the majority of current F1 drivers and their infoboxes. Cs-wolves(talk) 12:24, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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