Talk:Sicambri

message: According to my material this tribe stayed in the region between the Dutch border and Wesel in Germany. The tribe received land from Tiberius over the Rhine near Xanten. 
Very interesting is the remark the leader was called "Baetorix". Is there a connection between the founding father of the Batavus tribe Baeto and the Sucambri? Could this be the former Batavian tribe from the Chatti or Saxoni?
F.N.H., January, 13th 2009.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.172.98.197 (talk) 09:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not. The "Baeto" tradition was exposed as unhistorical in the late 16th century (here, p. 6). It seems to have originated with the work of the chronicler Cornelius Aurelius (c. 1460 - after 1523). According to this source, Aurelius may have coined the figure himself (as "Battus" or "Batto"). In doing so, he may have been inspired by a Roman inscription of c. 200 which was found near Roomburg in 1502 and which mentions a Caecilius Bato. Iblardi (talk) 22:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Location Sicambri ≠ The Netherlands

message: The following is copied from the User talk:Prinsgezinde of User:Prinsgezinde. I think it is best to have it here on the article talkpage for future reference, or for continuing discussion.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually have done more research and can say I have come to dispute my earlier claims. I believe they originated from North Rhine-Westphalia where they got their name from the river Sieg. My Harm Pinkster Latin dictionary claims Caesar placed them "between the Sieg and the Ruhr (rivers)." It also states a part was then forced to move to "the left side of the Rhine." This would explain confusing reports. Although this could mean a lot of places, I doubt they were banished into Roman territory (they waged a war again not much later). It seems the Sicambri were a somewhat ambiguous label for tribes that were sometimes linked to an ancient Trojan group of survivors, at other times used for the Franks (being part Sicambrians merged into Salians) and thirdly the Sicambri were defined by Caesar as the Westphalian tribe I mentioned earlier. Our most reliable sources for the tribe come from the Romans, so I agree this is our best bet. We know they took part in a lot of wars, mostly against Romans, and may have been pushed West by the Saxons. They were constantly moved after eventual defeats until they ended up living among the growing Salians. Most sources will talk about nearby rivers. These are probably best to include? Also the interpretations, though of course with the Trojan/Frank ones given far less attention than Caesar's. Euratlas (which appears to be legit), though, shows this. Maybe that's about their later stages or just the Salian Franks? 
Sources:
* perseus.tufts.edu
* historyfiles
Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In general more sources sounds like a good idea, but I suppose we should be a bit careful of these. the Perseus html is to a copy of a 19th century work which I have cited a few times on Wikipedia, but only when I had nothing better. The other two websites might not be considered strong sources. One suggestion: if you read Dutch have a look at the Dutch source which we are already using. It seems to try to cover most of what is known, and maybe we can squeeze a bit more out?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:26, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lived in the area of modern Germany or modern Netherlands? 

message: Someone editing the section on Frankish mythology has created a mess, leaving previous contradictory content on the post with the label "False" and adding a label of "True" to their own content. Compounding matters, the assertions in the "True" section do not represent NPOV and would not be supported by most historians. This section needs substantial revision. Ftjrwrites (talk) 22:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but I simply had to hit the "undo" button on that one. If the editor in question feels the need to try again (some of it being quite interesting in and by itself), please do it with more consideration to the way Wikipedia is supposed to read. Trigaranus (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad edit to mythology section needs fix