Talk:Hwando

message: I have taken the time to review the edit history. I have found the following unacceptable actions by Cydevil.
* 7-3-07 Ksyrie create the article with the theme of the historic fortress under the name "Wandu Mountain City". It mentioned "Wandu Mountain City" as a capital of Koguryo. There is no mention of it as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
* 8-12-07 Cydevil made some edit to the article. But he did not change the theme of the article about the historic fortress. There is no mention of it as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
* 8-23-07 Cydevil made a very major edit. He as changed that theme of the article from the historic fortress to UNESCO World Heritage Site. Such major edit amounted to a proportion similar to an article move.
* From then on, Cydevil declared that the article is about a UNESCO World Heritage Site, not the historic fortress.
* After stripping this article of its original main theme, by giving some original research justification, and then replacing it with another theme. This prepared Cydevil to create a seemingly justifiable POV fork of this article.
:Cydevil knows very well the rule of POV forking. He has in fact invoke that same rule to have articles deleted. Now he uses a scheme to justify his violation of that rule. I have make the same POV forking mistake without knowing it. But I have to courage to admit it. Cydevil knows about the rule and choose to break it, and keeps denying it. The facts are all here for us to see. Cydevil action is simply bold, unilateral, scheming and totally unethical. I don't know whether there is some avenue in Wikipedia to censure these kind of behavior by Cydevil. If there is, he should be subjected to it, no doubt.Wiki Pokemon 18:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for writing down what I have known.  My comment is that Cydevil38's writings are not a trustworthy source which meets the standard defined in Wikipedia:Reliable Sources.--Jiejunkong 21:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unethical Behavior 

message: I see Cydevil38 has created a POV fork of this article at Hwando. Cydevil38 please delete it.Wiki Pokemon 02:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever, just like you I guess. Anyway I thought Cydevil38 knows about POV fork rules very well to make that kind of error himself.Wiki Pokemon 03:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Fork 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose - WP:NC requires that we use the common name and that is Wandu Mountain City. It also says "Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form.". The existing name is that officially used by UNESCO and as such is also the 'commonly recognized' name. TerriersFan 03:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no most common name for Wandu Mountain City or Hwando etc. There is the article about modern-day Ji'an, Jilin, which would qualify for the WP:NC's number rule - even then where do you get that Wandu is more comonly used in English than the native? According to your logic, Wikipedia should call Constantinople Istanbul b/c there is more Google result for Istanbul. (Wikimachine 03:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my opinion that UNESCO is not as comprehensive as we'd like to - that is UNESCO's report is based in modern context. It is simply inappropriate to describe something Korean with Chinese name. And that report does not indicate UNESCO's official naming. (Wikimachine 03:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our extensive discussions in Talk:Goguryeo resulted in the current wording in the Goguryeo article, without declaring it to be neither Korean nor Chinese.  Wikimachine, it is a WP:NPOV violation for you to declare that it's Korean, and against the spirit of our previous discussions.--Endroit 03:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain how WP:NPOV applies to this case. I don't see anything NPOV about using Chinese transliteration for any historic entities that is now within its present political borders. Also, UNESCO's naming is not very reliable. For instance, the name of a peer World Heritage Site, "Wunu Mountain City", has absolutely nothing to do with Goguryeo, but it is designated as the "official" name of a former capital city of Goguryeo by UNESCO nonetheless. Cydevil38 17:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're wrong, Endroit, the consensus was that, as admin Nlu agreed, Goguryeo was definitely a Korean kingdom. & while NPOV rule states that we must present 2 sides accordingly, that should apply only to the debate itself & at the same time the predominant view should be presented as the predominant view - thus, Wikipedia should describe, not prescribe: or else according to you, Endroit, it is unknown whether Osama Bin Ladin was a terrorist or a holy fighter. (Wikimachine 20:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Goguryeo/ArchivedPolls where we reached consensus.  Obviously there's no such consensus suggesting that "Goguryeo was definitely a Korean kingdom".  I DO see a consensus which recommends usage of BOTH Chinese and Korean versions wherever possible.--Endroit 21:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: *Relevant Hwando Fortress: 7
*Wandu Mountain City: 441
I mean if it wasn't for all those gov-funded tourist sites & forums. (Wikimachine 03:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Google results (manual count0

message: Here are the duplicate citations that I merged:
This is the citation that I merged them into:
 (I removed the reference name so that it doesn't get mixed up with citation #3.)
As you can see, the three original citations (that I merged into one) are from the same page of the same book. Furthermore, my other edits to the passages are based on the cited source. If you have any questions, please let me know. Bamnamu (talk) 09:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged citations 

message: Should the page name moved from Wandu to Hwando? Please help reach a consensus on the request to move. Sacker23 (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a WP:RM matter, no need to hold a WP:RFC. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC on Move Request