Talk:Santa Claus in Northern American culture

message: This page seems to suggest that Father Christmas / St. Nicholas is a Dutch invention, rather than a Western European celebration which is also celebrated by the Dutch, amongst many others.  No sources are provided for the claims.  I think it's factual inaccuracy placed by somebody with a pro-Sinterklaas agenda.212.64.98.189 14:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch Claims

message: I took the libety of removing the line  "although he does not exist". While it is a factual statement, there are other ways we can say this without being blatant.
--Imp88 06:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: I removed the section "Santa Claus calculations." It is a completely useless section as it is. It was originally posted by the user Cabledude, whose only contribution to Wikipedia was this section of vandalism for this article. If this is one of the most frequently vandalized articles, don't you think this section applies as a mean joke, i.e. vandalism? Now, if someone were to determine if any of the user's calculations were correct, and do it in a way that is more encyclopedic, perhaps something could be added back. However, this is an encyclopedic article that does not need to give reasons as to why Santa Claus does not exist. This page does not pretend that Santa Claus exists. It presents actual facts and myths associated with the legend of Santa Claus and its historical roots. The deleted section spoke in a way that presents Santa Claus as a real being, though in a very mocking and derogatory tone, which is not how anything on this page should be presented.
Originally, this section was a sub section to "Christian opposition to Santa Claus." I don't think this was a mistake. Examine this line: "However, since Santa does not visit children of the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total (or 378 million according to the population reference bureau)." I think this was originally being derogatory, at least in the way it was being presented, to Christians. In addition, what is the "population reference bureau." I assume something else made up? I think the person just went from there mixing up all sorts of things in physics with their own creativity to make things sound plausible, at least to a point. The ending is the real giveaway.
The original section included a sentence that ended like this: "instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo." It had since been cleaned up to "instantly crushing his bones and organs," but seriously, do you think the person who originally posted the section really did the proper research? For emphasis once again, "pink goo," anyone here think that belongs there? It was a crafty, long winded piece of vandalism that was just creative enough to last two full months on this page. I surely hope that it doesn't get added back in.
Honestly, do you think this is a good article with this section in there? On the top of this talk page it states: "Santa Claus has been listed as a good article; it adheres to certain quality standards." Don't make this read as a joke. - 152.163.100.135 09:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa Claus calculations 

message: The intro mentions that this name for Santa Claus is used in Afghanistan. Can a reference be provided for this claim? Ordinary Person 02:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Baba Chaghaloo 

message: "In Hungary, Father Christmas ("Télapó") is a different figure from St. Nicholas (Mikulás)." -- no, he isn't. What sources did the user who put this in the article use? "Télapó" actually means "Father Winter" (or "Daddy Winter", since it's an affectionate term) and this name was mostly used for Santa during Communist times when the names of most holidays were secularized (e.g. Christmas became fenyőünnep, "pine tree holiday", etc.) Since the early 1990s the terms Mikulás and Télapó are used as synonyms. – Alensha 寫 词 21:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: also, in Hungary he has nothing to do with Christmas, he arrives on December 6 and brings sweets; the Christmas presents are brought by Jesus. – Alensha 寫 词 21:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hungary

message: Wouldn't it be better to have a picture of a person dressed up as Santa for the picture at the top of the article?  When I first looked at the picture, I thought that something was really wrong with this person's appearance until I realized that it wasn't really a picture of a person, but really some decorative item.  Also, this picture doesn't have Santa's traditional hat on--it doesn't seem like a very common portrayal as the picture's caption would suggest.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Picture 

message: I think it would be a plausible choice. Opinions?
I'd hate to spoil it for little kids, but I don't understand how we would do it. "Don't read this article if you believe Santa Claus is real" I mean, there's no plausible way to do it. No.--CountCrazy007 21:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say we could remove all real acknowlegement that Santa is their parents, referring to it as a "legend" without specifically saying kids are "made to believe that Santa is real".  The article on "Santa Claus rituals" could have a section with a warming something along the lines of "Warning: This section contains spoilers that may disappoint young children". --TexasDex 21:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler Warning?

message: In the "Ho Ho Ho" section I have replaced "Anglo-Saxon" with "English speaking". I'm not sure if this is what the earlier author meant by "Anglo-Saxon" so it would be good if someone could do some fact checking here. Does Santa/Father Christmas say "Ho Ho Ho" in Barbados, or in Ireland? 
"Anglo-Saxon" is almost never used in contemporary British English to refer to any modern-day English speakers except when reference is specifically being made to U.S. ethnic politics. In the U.S. the term is both poorly defined and highly politically charged. See the Anglo-Saxon article for more about this. Ireneshusband 19:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anglo-Saxon" 

message: There's gotta be a better way to organize Santa's various names in various countries.  Any suggestions? 199.126.137.209 00:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's getting ridiculously long, and I haven't even added his Taiwanese name.  A-giau 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganization of Santa's various names

message: I noticed that the doll in the photo at the top of the page shows Santa smoking a pipe... now I know that many years ago this was a common site 70,or 80 years ago, but now I think this is a BAD message to send to our kids, and I believe the photo should be deleted, and put with a photo of a more acuarate photo of Santa Claus.
:"More accurate"???  ... I'll leave that aside for the moment, but "the stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, while the smoke, it encircled his head like a wreath" -- As long as that poem is read to children, Santa smokes a pipe. Let's not be PC to "protect the kiddies" -- I doubt the image drove legions of Victorian kids to start smoking in emulation of Father Christmas. Unless he's depicted as bing indoors in California, then it's just wrong. --Scix 01:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the thought of a somewhat eccentric man climbing on people's rooftops and entering their homes in the middle of the night send a good message to children? Morganfitzp 06:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa smoking 

message: Each of these articles is lacking the other's information. Morganfitzp 06:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Origins of Santa Claus]]

message: This article's GA status has been revoked because it fails criterion 2. b. of 'What is a Good Article?', which states;
::(b) the citation of its sources using inline citations is required (this criterion is disputed by editors on Physics and Mathematics pages who have proposed a subject-specific guideline on citation, as well as some other editors — see talk page).
LuciferMorgan 21:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for GA Delisting 

message: Lying about Santa?  Parents don't lie about Santa.  Why does the article mention parents lying about him?  That makes no sence.
Cheddar Cheesia 22:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lying?  Whaaa? 

message: In one skit, probably on the Ed Sullivan show, Dana stood in front of a blackboard wearing a Santa suit and introduced himself with "My name is Jose Jiminez, and I am teaching the Santas for how to laugh."  On the blackboad was written "Jo Jo Jo".  Pretty funny back then.  --CliffC 19:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic Bill Dana as Jose Jiminez as Santa instructor 

message: User Jigsawkramer inserted "fictional" in the opening paragraph.  I'm not comfortable with this, as I am sure many youngsters will be looking at the page in the upcoming season.  As you read the page a "mature" reader can work out whether Santa is real or not, and I would rather it stayed that way.  I know we present facts, and the old version presented facts in an intelligent way - if you think about it you can work out the correct conclusion.  To my mind that is better for a child than just being told "because that's how it is", which is the current approach.  To avoid a 3RR I've not reverted, what do the rest of you think? LeeG 13:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  It's not necessary because it's blatantly obvious to those who aren't already pre-disposed to believe in him, and for those who are, why shatter their belief in the name of objectivity?  Seeing as how it is a brand-new edit and thus has no long-standing presence giving it weight, and with two positive votes and no negatives, I'm going to revert it.  Discuss if you want to re-add, but I'm erring on the side of maintaining innocence until the discussion is over.  Nerrolken 07:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insertion of "fictional" 

message: Surely, on the Information Superhighway and in the whole wide world, there is a better picture for the header of the Santa Claus article than the plastic- and awkward-looking CGI Santa provided by the North American Aerospace Defense Command?  That guy looks weird and silly, not at all as comforting and jolly as the man should.  I'd suggest the sketch from lower in the article, but it would be best to have his whole body.  Anyone care to offer up a better picture, in the name of all that is good and jolly in this world?  Nerrolken 08:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree.... that Santa Claus is horrible! --189.135.61.75 08:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement for the NORAD Picture? 

message: I LIKE HOW THIS IS THE ONLY WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT A FICTIONAL CHARACTER THAT DOESNT SAY ITS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.132.253 (talk • contribs).
:Wow, man...  The discussion about this is about an inch and a half above your post...  Good thing you made a new section, otherwise people might not have found it...  And the ALL CAPS really helped, too...  Nerrolken 19:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER 

message: I feel this link should be removed as it does not say he is nonexistant in the artical (Because he is real*) I feel it should be removed so as children dont get the wrong idea.
*To presserve many a joyus childhood.
Brandon ha —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.96.99 (talk) 17:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nonexistant people? 

message: Refering to Saint Nicholas This man was going to give them over to a life of prostitution; however, St Nicholas provided them with gold and COOKIES, enabling them to retain their virginal virtues and marry. That cookies thing is some kind of joke, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.70.3.194 (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold and Cookies? 

message: The picture here is horrible! A computer image?! Replace it with a real-life person dressed as Santa, with a caption saying "A man dressed as Santa Claus" or something. Tamajared 14:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I was shocked and appauled to see that this article is in that category. That's the problem with the world today. You people have no faith.
Merry Christmas
the_farmer_who_wants_a_wife —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.214.180.245 (talk) 18:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this article in the "non-existent people" category? 

message: You guys don't think about who can read this. I mean what if some 4 year old kid waltzes on to this site and reads santa's fake. They would be like: "OOOHHH.. I'm gonnawrite in "santa." WHAT!? He's no-no real?WWWWWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!" SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, CHANGE THE ARCTICLE!!!!!!!--SkeletonLego 21:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course they "thought" about that, which is why the article specifically calls Santa a "figure" in the introduction.  Plus, what kid who doesn't know about Santa is going to know about Wikipedia, much less visit this article, much less understand it?  There's no censorship on Wikipedia, sorry. -Boss1000 22:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait, Santa's not real? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?! No, I'm just kidding. He has a point, but as said before, Wikipedia is not censored for minors, so there's nothing we can really do. RememberMe? 05:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Think about the children!!!!

message: The article is semi-protected at the moment, but the following reads as an anti-American, anti-American English rant, to be honest.:
"Father Christmas is a well-loved figure in many countries and predates the "Santa Claus" character. "Father Christmas" is similar in many ways, though the two have quite different origins. Using "Santa" in places that predominantly call him "Father Christmas" is often viewed as an Americanism and is quite rare, although they are generally regarded as the same character."
Its unsourced and its self-contradictory. 129.234.4.10 19:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro Paragraph 2

message: Type in 'Santa Claus' in the search bar on Wikipedia. Read the overview of the article. Then close it and read my comment.
Seriously, what do you think of this article??? "Santa Claus is a mythical character" NO. he's NOT. I don't know who wrote this; I don't care if you're some kind of genious scientist, you've got to BELIEVE. I don't care if you say to me, "There's no proof he's real." Well, I've seen him flying right outside my window (Rudolph is real, too), and it was NOT a dream, I can guarantee you that. There's no proof he isn't real, either. Haven't you ever heard of the spirit of Christmas? Proof isn't everything, you know!!! Didn't you ever see the Polar Express? 
I quote:
"Sometimes the most real things in the world are the things we CAN'T see."
And that's exactly right! Seeing isn't always believing. Can we see God? No. But we know he's there, watching over us each and every day. Can we see the Devil? No. But we know he's there, trying to make us sin each and every day. Can we see emotions? No. But we know they're there, being used by us each and every day. Some people are trying to find out what stimulates our emotions and how to prevent sadness. That's baloney!!! Who cares what stimulates our emotions; God put them there for a reason: To help us learn from our mistakes and live our life to the fullest amount!!! He obviously meant for us to have sadness, anger, dislike, boredom, but he also meant for us to have happiness, excitement, humor, joy!!! Joy!! That's what Christmas is all about!!! The JOY. The celebration of His birth. The beginning of a new year. The belief, that sweet belief, in the jolly old man who comes and brings us presents and reminds us of the true meaning of Christmas!!! That wonderful person filled with the Magic of Christmas!!! 
Whoever wrote that article needs to start believing. Merry Christmas to you all, and the most important word of the season is:
B E L I E V E
Many of you may have a little Christmas miracle this year. Watch for them. Believe in them. They happen each and every day--we just take them for granted. :) 69.115.74.121 21:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Santa Claus Article 

message: DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
Papa says, "If you see it in THE SUN it's so."
Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?
VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET.
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest man that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank GOD! He lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood. john k 16:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus 

message: Er..."Ireland ("Daidí na Nollaig")"?  The predominant term used in Ireland and the predominant term used in the Irish language are not even slightly the same thing.  john k 19:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland 

message: The stories of st. nick are far deeper than ever there are so many versions that it isn't even funny. There is a book that i think should be an adult book called the adventures of nickolas. This book is about santa. In this book the mother goes to give the 80 yr old santa a gift of holly and finds him dead on his bed. Then the villagers are stumped on how they can tell the children so they bury him in the pine grove and put on a big red rabbit skin suit and try to be a fat jolly santa!This book is obviously not a kids' book and ruins the children's view of christmas. I know this story in my head and am looking at this article and saying, "wow your really breaking some kid's heart down there."
This should be banned from wikipedia or blocked to children or something. This is the computer age people children go on chat rooms and forums all the time. It is not that hard to just block it. To conclude my reason of this I do beleive in santa not as a figure but a saint. Giving hope to the poor and helping those in need. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poseidon01 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect the children from this book and part of Wikipedia! 

message: It's "El Niño Dios" Pontricacio Contricanis (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's no Niñito Dios in Mexico 

message: hi i am masterlauryn and i am 15.my mom told me that SHE is santa claus.is that true or a lie because i dont recieve gifts anymore from him,cause' i know now that santa is a fake.IS IT TRUE THAT SANTA IS YOUR PARENS???DONT LIE BECAUSE GOD IS WATCHING YOU !!! PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE BACK!!--Masterlauryn 01:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  lovely truth telling 

message: When I was a child like you the other kids said that there was no santa. I didn't beleive them so I looked myself. There is physical proof he does exist. Acording to the christan scrolls st. nickolas was from somewhere up north not at the north pole thats fake so are the elves. St nick was placed as a saint in the roman catholic church as the giver of gifts but was persicuted and thrown out of the records. St nickolas still did his duties untill later on when he was killed by the roman catholic priests [supposidly]. But eventually he vanished after a mob tried to kill him. He was never seen agian
The story of him was tweaked here never was elves there never was a workshop besides his cottage, and 
the point of proving that santa exists is as if proving that god exists. we can't prove god exists but the people beleive so he is real. The true santa is not the department store santa. He's fake. But the people make santa real so your parents just want to prove that santa dosen't exist to save a buck. The
world is greedy. And people are trying every way to get money or save it so don't beleive that your parents are  santa. they aren't santa does exist. DO YOU HEAR ME HE DOES EXIST. there is just the people who are to selfish so they ruin your life. This is my opininon only.
*Santa was a real person but now isn't. *sighs* I never knew there were so many people that could edit wikipedia but cant accept Santa isn't real. *oh my* Roron Corobb 04:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is proof that he exists child 

message: There's a part of this article that seems biased and assumes a groups motives without any backing.  The third paragraph under Christian opposition states: "A worry that some of these have is that their children, eventually realizing that Santa is a deception, might draw the same conclusion about the existence of God." I would suggest that this statement be removed as it does not follow the NPOV stand that Wikipedia has set out.  There is no reference on this point.
Agreed and removed NickCharbuski 20:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Opposition 

message: * I just want to point out that any young child who is using the internet unsupervised is probalby mature enough to know that Santa is real. Bredd13 05:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean "is probalby mature enough to know that Santa is NOT real"Roger jg 03:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "For the Children"

message: Connections between Odin and Santa Claus are tricky to find if you don't know how to look.  The Church has gone to great lengths to destroy any evidence of the pre-christian european religion.  If you do a search on the name Jolnir, which is one of Odins many names you will find the connection, whether you believe them or not is up to you.
Gangleri67 02:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odin and Santa 

message: I recommend locking this page from edits... Apparently vandals are still registering accounts simply to vandalize this page. It's current status would allow any new member to contribute, encouraging vandalism. --KCMODevin 17:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locking Page 

message: :Then you do not understand the history Santa Claus.  Go and read the entire article.  Because, those who fail to understand history .... Val42 03:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IS SANTA REAL? 

message: SANTA IS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:Yes he is, and he's actually a Wikipedia editor, User:Santa on Sleigh. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 07:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: Hi all
I'm sorry but I don't buy this 'Santa is not Real' conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory is that Santa is just some kind of commercial marketing tool and that parents simply tell their young kids that he is real in order to give them some fantasy and happiness in their childhood.
   
I've heard all this before - First it was JFK and the CIA, then NASA never went to the Moon, then Princess Di was bumped off by the English Secret Service and now its parents and Santa. I'm sorry _ I just don't buy it.
Wikipedia definition of a conspiacy theory states
A conspiracy theory attempts to explain the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social, or historical events) as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories claim that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.
In this case the conspirators are the parents.
also 
Testing the validity of conspiracy theories
Perhaps the most contentious aspect of a conspiracy theory is the problem of settling a particular theory's truth to the satisfaction of both its proponents and its opponents. Particular accusations of conspiracy vary widely in their plausibility, but some common standards for assessing their likely truth value may be applied in each case:
Occam's razor - is the alternative story more, or less, probable than the mainstream story? Rules of thumb here include the multiplication of entities test. 
Methodology - are the "proofs" offered for the argument well constructed, i.e., using sound methodology? Is there any clear standard to determine what evidence would prove or disprove the theory? 
Whistleblowers - how many people—and what kind—have to be loyal conspirators?
 
 
To date those that have argued that Santa does not exist have offered little proof to suport their wild claims. I suggest that until firm proof that Santa does not exist is ascertained (eg by an systemic audit of everyone on the planet or a search of the North POle) that the existence of Santa be notated as 'disputed'.  
I also draw your attention to a recent NASA bulletin in which NASA refers to assistance it is giving to Santa. NASA is a public organisation and one that would never lie - any claim that Santa does not exist amounts to an argument that there is a NASA conspiracy and it all begins to sound much like the 'We Never Went To The Moon' argument again. Heck even Walter Shirra saw Santa Claus in orbit!
Seriously though...
I think it fairly indisputable that long ago there was once a guy called St Nicholas (Santa) in Turkey who gave gifts. Ok he my be dead now but if you believe as a christian in life after death then he is up there somewhere in Heavan - so as absurd as it may sound he really does exist, just not here and not in the quaint European/American fashion we have come to iconise Santa.  
Have a Merry Christmas from Peter
Pberrett 12:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa is Real - Prove otherwise! 

message: You need to change it just a little bit. What if a little kid wanders on this site and never believes in Santa? Thats one of the great things about being a kid. Dont take it away so early! It is just not fair! You should keep the picture of Santa on there, but say something like, Santa is so real! And mabye a fake Santa address like. 
9543 Snowy Dr.
Frozen Lake NP
North Pole 67543
That would do something nice to the site. I can change it for you. WE ARE ALOUD JUST TO LET YOU KNOW!!!! And I can if I want to. Its not like the site belongs to you or something. If you could, mabye put a little more info about Santa. Like other names he is called in other countries, and more pictures of him. Mabye even what he looks like in Turkey and the other countries. That might be nice. But my point is CHANGE THE PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :(   --Neofun 16:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That's not fair to the smaller kids! 

message: There is too much vandalism going on, we need to lock this thread to long-time registered members instead of allowing all registered members (including new accounts). --KCMODevin 19:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again, please lock this talk page and the main page 

message: Since there's a "Norad" section in the article, should updates be given about where "Santa" is, according to this? Or should it be left out of the article because of "possible fiction", "non-notability", and "breaking news"? AstroHurricane001 21:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Wikipedia and Wikinews have some overlap, but typically Wikipedia doesn't do minute by minute parroting of this sort of stuff. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NORAD 

message: The section about sant and working with nasa to assist him in his world wide gift giving obviously fiction.  It's a cute idea, but it does not belong on wikipedia.
:I would disagree. Maybe the heading needs to change - perhaps it should be included in a section about government agencies acknowledging the belief in Santa Claus through public relations. But it's citable, notable, and interesting to some. Bugmuncher 04:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa and nasa cooperation section should be removed 

message: I object to the section that begins like this:  
NASA has recently begun providing specialised technical assistance to Santa on Christmas eve in order to help Santa deliver presents across Earth. According to a NASA press bulletin
The Debris Imaging Radar System, used during the night launch of NASA's space shuttle mission STS-116, is a new system at Kennedy Space Center in Florida that will now be made available to Santa Claus on Christmas Eve.
While I understand the sentiment in protecting the ideas of children or whatnot, Wikipedia is neither aimed toward minors, nor censored for them.  This should be more encyclopedic, if not removed entirely as cruft.  Tuviya 03:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I have cut off the copy /paste from the Nasa website wich in all case goes against Wiki policy. If someone wants to sum up this crank in his/her own word, feel free Roger jg 04:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh, NASA? 

message: "Sinterklaas, the subject of a major celebration in the Netherlands and Belgium, Germany (where his believed date of death, December 6, is celebrated the evening before on December 5), which in turn inspired both the myth and the name of Santa Claus."
This is not true in the case of germany. In germany, the 6. is celebrated as »Nikolaus« or »Nikolaus-Tag« (Day of Nikolaus) and not on the 5th. Strictly speaking, it is not really »celebrated«. The evening before, children are asked by their parents to place a boot (or a plate) outside of their door (or at a window). They would then tell their children that Nikolaus would fill it with sweets, candy, nuts and clementine. On the next morning, the kids would find their boot or plate filled with such little gifts. It is also usual, that relatives would give the children little presents (often some bucks or candy) on the 6th. There are also fabric-made red boots, parents or relatives can fill with little gifts to give away. However, this happens on the 6th of december not on the 5th and it does not replace christmas eve or christmas.
Also, for germany. On the evening of the 24. which is called »Heillig Abend« (holy evening), a Santa Claus alike character called »Weihnachtsmann« but in some regions also mixed with »Christkind« (litterally »Christian Child«) is coming to town. This evening is used to meet with the family, eat and celebrate. After that, the gifts, which were already placed under the christmas tree are handed out to everyone. This is called »Bescherung« (handing out presents). The two following days, 25th and 26th are both christmas days (known as first and second christmas day). Both are holidays and are usually used to meet relatives, see the family etc. It should be noted, that the whole christmas Christkind, Weihnachtsmann, Santa Claus as well as remnants of pagan celebrations or christian belief are strongly mixed (story of Jesus birth still appears, nearby christkind and mostly the Weihnachtsmann or Santa Claus (both
appear to be similar).
Some Germans also conflate Nikolaus and Santa. Some of my German friends refer
to "Santa" coming on December 6 and being accompanied by Knecht Ruprecht Sigurdrífa  (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  6th, not the 5th -- and there is no »celebration« 

message: This article describes an Usonian Santa, not all Santas go through the chimney or have flying reindeer. -Lapinmies 01:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the title has been changed, good. -Lapinmies 19:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Santa? 

message: There is no contemporary documentation of a St. Nicholas Christmas cult in the Dutch colonial era of America. If there is, please cite it — historians have been looking for any. — Walloon 09:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch colonial era

message: This article makes no sense. Why have a separate "Santa in North America" article, and then spend over half the article talking about Santa Clause else where, or where Santa originates from. All that information should be in the Santa article, not this one. I'm going to start moving and deleting, unless anyone objects. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reasoning behind describing the different national variations on the story is that the American Santa developed from the 'gift-giving spirit' traditions of a large number of cultures.  They're all relevant to the article because they all informed the American take on the tale.  Some pruning is in order (I don't think there needs to be nearly so much of it in the intro), but I think the content in the 'origins' section in particular is helpful.  -- Vary | Talk 17:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly the "gift givers from around the world" can be moved and would be a good addition to the main Santa article.  It's all a bit moot as we are in lockdown over there.  --David Shankbone 17:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn, I didn't even notice that bit; you're right, that doesn't belong here. -- Vary | Talk 17:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This should be edited to focus more directly on the North American traditions, and other stuff should be moved to the Santa Claus article or discarded. Applejuicefool (talk) 20:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MERGE! North American Santa, not [[Santa]] generally... 

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replies: text: Image replaced by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Santa_martians.JPG (better quality image of poster).Johnmc (talk) 14:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SantaClausConquersMartians.jpg

message: This section is almost identical to the Santa Claus on film article. I only noticed this while doing FUR's for some of the article images, so I have no interest either way. But there is no need for two identical articles - or sections of articles - dealing with the same subject.Johnmc (talk) 14:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: This article needs to be seriously merged in the Santa Claus article.  There's nothing new here about "North America" that isn't found elsewhere.  Does an article about "SC in NA culture" need a lengthy regurgitation about Santa's origins in Germanic culture? Wouldn't a redirect to the Santa Claus article be appropriate? Are we next going to see articles about "SC in African culture", "SC in European culture", "SC in South American culture", "SC in Asian culture", etc. etc.?  Why? What's the point? Can the few differences from one continent to the next be handled adequately in the Santa Claus article? I am going to merge some of this stuff if I don't see a reasonable argument against doding so in 24 hours. Thanks. ReverendLogos (talk) 17:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say  agree with you. After keeping a steady eye on you I came across this discussion (surprised your using it) and I agree with what your saying 100%. Everything here is akready in the Santa Claus page to start with so you are correct in my eyes in this situation. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of agree.  I actually think a separate article for the evolution of Santa in North America over the last 200 years would likely require its own "daughter" page to the main Santa article, but this page is basically just a re-hash of that article (including the origins/history of Saint Nicholas, Sinterklaas, Father Christmas, etc, from Europe before North America's "re-imagining" of the character).  I'm actually surprised to see this page was once rated a GA article.  I know pages can go through major changes over time, but I honestly don't know how this ever got to GA status unless it was a completely different article that subsequently had all relevant "North American culture" info removed and replaced with the duplicate info from the main Santa article.  I wouldn't be so quick to suggest a merge, but I would say the page needs major cleanup (removal of duplicate info about the evolution of the character in Europe) and expansion of the article with regards to Santa in North American culture over the last 200-or-so years. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Santa Claus was the good article.  This is the orginal Santa Claus article, just renamed.  A history merge would be in order if the 2 articles were merged again. Ribbet32 (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is nothing but a "cut and paste" job from other WP articles