Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel

message: I've noticed some concerted POV pushing by a couple of revived accounts on nearly all Israeli political party articles over the last couple of months – all of them are being moved one position to the left; Meretz was changed from "left" to "left to far-left"; Labor from "centre-left" to "centre-left to left", Yesh Atid from "centre" to "centre to centre-left", National Unity from "centre-right" to "centre-right to centre", Moledet and Mafdal–Religious Zionism from "far-right" to "right to far-right" etc. Worth keeping an eye on this. Cheers, Number 57 19:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Number 57 Can you please provide links to some of the edits in question? Mistamystery (talk) 23:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: POV pushing on political party articles

message: More feedback is needed Talk:UNRWA_October_7_controversy#Requested_move_29_March_2024. Alaexis¿question? 21:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[UNRWA October 7 controversy]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus#Requested move 2 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:2024 Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus#Requested move 2 April 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024]] 

message: There is a request for comment at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_The_Anti-Defamation_League that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mistamystery (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment at [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_The_Anti-Defamation_League|Reliable Sources Noticeboard RFC: The Anti-Defamation League]]

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024]] 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:State of Palestine § Copy editing/maintenance needed.  Sdkb talk 18:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[:Talk:State of Palestine#Copy editing/maintenance needed|Talk:State of Palestine §&nbsp;Copy editing/maintenance needed]]

message: On October 2023,  (David Shay) announced a WhatsApp group to "fight" against anti-Israel bias in English Wikipedia. According to the announcement on Hebrew Wikipedia , the group seems to be coordinated by  (Shlomit Lir). It is also advertised on the Hebrew Wikipedia Facebook group, which is often moderated by . The group publicly self-styles itself as "Wikipedia Command Center", and seems to serve as a private coordination hub for pro-Israel editing, focusing on a list of English Wikipedia articles. Since the group references WikiProject Israel, I bring it up here. How does this group comply with WP:CANVASS, WP:MEATPUPPET, WP:NPOV, etc? MarioGom (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too surprised given the prominence of the conflict. These are he-wiki users though so the question is what you think could/should be done here at en-wiki? Alaexis¿question? 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The group is focused on coordinating I/P editing on English Wikipedia, so it is relevant to this project. MarioGom (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the discussion might continue at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee#ARBCOM, since there is a longer discussion on canvassing efforts there. MarioGom (talk) 22:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This group is focused on writing encyclopedic entries related to Israel, not only about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, although it is also about it, and its goal is to bring to the attention of readers only correct and verified information. The group in no way engages in biasing of articles, in contrast to extensive pro-Palestinian activity on the English Wikipedia. דוד שי (talk) 02:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Every special-interest group that organises to edit Wikipedia claims to only want to bring "correct and verified information". Zerotalk 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I do not dispute that you might discuss other articles, but the list of 35 English Wikipedia target articles publicly shared by the group is 100% about the Israel-Palestine conflict and, more specifically, about the 2023-2024 Israel-Gaza War. In any case, the policies and guidelines I linked in the original post apply regardless of how broad the interests of the group might be. MarioGom (talk) 06:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that the coordinators of this group have read this, since the group invite link has been revoked and the post recruiting people on the Hebrew Wikipedia Facebook group has been deleted. I assume there are no intentions to comply with English Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Just do your thing with the IDF Spokeperson Unit, with EC gaming grinding short descriptions, etc. I must admit English Wikipedia cannot do much against sufficiently motivated actors engaged in long term manipulation. MarioGom (talk) 19:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with what your concerns, but given the imbalance of the editing that's happening here, they probably felt like they needed to do this in order to make things more balanced, not that 2 wrongs make a right. Unfortunately in the world we live in, there's a rush to come here and get a certain POV reflected and this people care less about Wikipedia than they do about their own agenda. So it becomes an arm race of which side has more editors to get their POV across. This isn't what Wikipedia is about, but given the principles it's built on, I guess it also kind of is. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The report they published about anti-Israel bias is pure non-sense. The perception that Wikipedia and realiable sources contradict their positions is not a license to ignore project policies. There are, at least, three groups organized to covertly push for pro-Israel POV: the Yesha Council, the "Wikipedia Command Center", and the "Wikipedia Lobby Group". The level of institutional support they are getting both within Wikimedia and from external organizations is unprecedented. So there is, indeed, an imbalance: the tolerance towards organized efforts by pro-Israel groups. MarioGom (talk) 07:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear you. Maybe the numbers required to be an Extended confirmed user need to be increased to 3 months and 1000 edits. Editors should be here because they want to contribute to Wikipedia, not because they have some axe to grind. Speaking of which, I see you are a page reviewer. Would you be able to have a look at Draft:Rivka Bayech? Thankyou. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's difficult to make accurate evidence-based statements about the dynamics or the current state of the topic area that avoid sampling bias, are independent of the observer and avoid hasty generalizations. I think the topic area is rather complicated, more like a forest canopy than a system with 2 opposing forces. It's good to have some humility about our ability construct true statements about balance and motivation etc. It may be better to focus on enforcing the simple rules than imagining we can grasp the complex dynamics. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: To illustrate the complexity, this is a graph of a tiny part of the topic area, starting at the Israel–Hamas war category as a root and mapping the network of subcats, articles, talk pages, templates etc. Even for that tiny substructure within the topic area, it seems pretty unlikely that broad statements about of balance and editor motives, are going to be accurate. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Command Center 

message: There is a requested move at Weaponization of antisemitism that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mistamystery (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Weaponization_of_antisemitism#Requested_move_21_April_2024|Weaponization of antisemitism]] 

message: Starting today, a user has raised issues with multiple bios written for people killed on October 7. There may be genuine notability issues with some of these articles, but they also suggested that Vivian Silver (which I wrote) be deleted. When I challenged this, they proposed deletions on two other articles I wrote, Negev Institute for Strategies of Peace and Development and Project Rozana, on the grounds they were part of a "legitimization campaign". I bring this up here to ensure other eyes are on these articles, especially if deletion nominations are made, since I can't be sure that this user is working in good faith. 
The other bios that this user has raised issues with are Jayar Davidov, Roee Edan, Hayim Katsman, Roi Levy, Ofir Libstein, Izhar Peled, Yonatan Steinberg, and Yahav Winner. ForsythiaJo (talk) 22:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of these individuals are clearly notable (like Vivian Silver, Jayar Davidov, etc.), while others may be more of an edge case, on one hand they are covered by reliable sources, but on the other hand most of that coverage is related to the October 7 events (see WP:BIO1E). Alaexis¿question? 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential targeting of bios 

message: I think what I found in English is enough to establish notability, but I am not happy about some of the sources and am looking for something higher quality. FortunateSons (talk) 09:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hebrew article has many sources, including Haaretz and other newspapers. Lmk if you're looking for something specific. Alaexis¿question? 19:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the very kind offer, I’ll try working with translation and see if I can figure it out :) FortunateSons (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there good hebrew/israeli sources about Yehudit Karp (lawyer)? 

message: Hi, guys if anyone can help me in improving the sidebar template specimen for Bibi. Please tell me how does it look and is ready to create this template. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)  17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sidebar/Series for Bibi Netanyahu 

message: Hello, the entries mentioned in List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war, List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict and :Category:Villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict and other articles also in other languages do not have unified/appropriate properties in wikidata, about 20 out of the 600~ depopulated villages are clearly marked as such in wikidata, others are left as instances of "human settelment", "village" or "former human settlement", and with inconsistent (or non-existing property for) location, country ...etc, and a few have the properties relating to the timeframe of their depopulation. wikidata is still lacking/behind in some "technical" level such as describing the former population. But those still require consistency and inclusion of missing properties.
Adding appropriately consistent properties to the remaining hundreds of items as this is disregarded/underacknowledged information is vital for any general attempt for reflection/contextualization that is genuine. Uwe a (talk) 14:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  depopulated Palestinian villages 

message: The concept of Indigeneity is often invoked in contemporary discourse on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but I don't see any article on the subject. Palestinians are often referred to as "Indigenous" by pro-Palestinian advocates and likewise Zionists often claim that Jewish people are "Indigenous" to the Land of Israel. I think there should be an article, but I'm not sure what the title should be. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel-Palestine and Indigeneity 

message: If anyone here is a new page reviewer, if you could please take a look at Draft:Rivka_Bayech. Thank you MaskedSinger (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivka Bayech 

message: Hello everyone! I'm asking for help with the article of Israeli artist Draft:DJ_Raphi. The sources of  was questioned. Improvements have already been made, but it is still not approved. Thanks! ArielCohen952 (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  DJ Raphi 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Arab citizens of Israel#Requested move 16 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Arab citizens of Israel#Requested move 16 April 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan airstikes#Requested move 27 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Tel al-Sultan airstikes#Requested move 27 May 2024]] 

message: :Genocide of Indigenous peoples has an RfC. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Alaexis¿question? 20:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Genocide of Indigenous peoples]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]

message: :Talk:Israel has an RfC. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. starship.paint (RUN) 05:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Israel]] has an [[Talk:Israel#RfC:_mention_apartheid_in_the_lead?|RfC on the topic: mention apartheid in the lead?]]