Talk:Fallen Astronaut

message: Of course this is an outdoor sculpture. There is no "indoors" on the Moon. JIP | Talk 18:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: outdoor sculpture

message: My question is whether the American flag on the moon is art.Kondspi 22:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: flag

message: There's a secret art exhibit that was snuck onto the moon. NY Times coverage of it can be seen at http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70811F93E591A7493C0AB178AD95F4D8685F9&scp=1&sq=art+on+the+moon%3F&st=p
It's also been written about on greg.org: http://greg.org/archive/2008/02/28/the_moon_museum.html
I'm removing the reference to Fallen Astronaut as being the only art on the moon. Simenzo (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not only art on moon 

message: Can someone supply an actual citation for the interview in De Morgen?  Dthvt 02:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed 

message: The article Fallen Astronaut and Paul Van Hoeydonck contains since long the claim;
:In May 1972, Scott learned that Van Hoeydonck planned to make more replicas and sell them. Feeling that this would be a violation of the spirit of their agreement, Scott tried to persuade Van Hoeydonck to refrain, but was unsuccessful; 950 signed replicas went on sale for $750 apiece at the Waddell Gallery of New York.
I, Walter, have been in extensive contact with knowledgeable people regarding this topic after receiving an email about this part in bold on the dutch language OTRS queue. 
The information I have received states that it is incorrect that "950 signed replicas went on sale for $750 apiece at the Waddell Gallery of New York". It is true that there where plans to do this and even advertisement for is was made. But after very negative responds by the NASA Paul Van Hoeydonck retracted his permission. No replicas where sold. 
The persons with who I am in contact have written a letter after reading this claim on Wikipedia to Paul Van Hoeydonck to ask of that was correct about those 950 copies that where supposed to be sold for $750 a piece. Paul Van Hoeydonck has send that letter back with a handwritten responds on it. Paul Van Hoeydonck writes that only 50 replicas where ever made. Most of those are still  unsigned in the possession by Paul Van Hoeydonck.  Around 12 are at various places. Paul Van Hoeydonck writes that he has never received any money for those replaces, except for one. 
A scan of this letter is in OTRS Responds by Paul Van Hoeydonck
The emails regarding this are under  Ticket#: 2007111010011079 
I am further contact to see how the information provided best can be included, mainly a question of copyright and privacy matters. For now the claim about the 950 copies sold (with no source) must/can not be included. 
This claim basically says that Paul Van Hoeydonck has acted dishonorable, broke his word and sold out for the money. Before one claims that you must have very good proof. We have now a scan of letter written by Paul Van Hoeydonck refuting this. I find that a good source. (there are also other sources listed in the emails, specialized art books). --Walter 20:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unable to access your evidence - Please place it in a more accessible format... Check-Six 03:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in the process of trying to arrange that. But that the sources are readable and available to all online is best but not necessary. I point to information in OTRS, like also is done for permissions for pictures. WMF OTRS staff can access that. Besides this I have also received sources from a book and the text fragments about this topic supporting this. But you can not read that online. It is a dutch language artbook published in 1980. I have found it in the collection of 3 public libraries in Flanders. I add the book as source to the article. --Walter 10:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Relevant information; NASA News Release 72-189 - This report from the NASA states that "The 950 replicas of the "Fallen Astronaut" figurine signed by the sculptor have been advertised for sale by the Waddell Gallery of New York at a price of $750 apiece." This in not disputed by Paul Van Hoeydonck. Only that the advertised plans where executed.  --Walter 00:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry I'm from it.wp and have access to OTRS: how can I control source? (all mails are written in a language that I do not understand) DracoRoboter 17:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that this is not convenient but that is a problem that everybody has depending about what it is about and from where. If you can not read it yourself then you will need to trust on others who can. --Walter 17:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, what if I will not? (Just asking...) Sorry but you just wrote "change it is wrong" in it.wp and someone ask me why. I think I have to answer something more reliable than "momma said" DracoRoboter 17:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turn it around. I say I have information saying it is wrong about those 950 copies sold. In Wikipedia the information in the articles is supposed to be backed up by sources. There is no source listed that says the 950 copies where sold. There is only a source saying that this was advertised. This results in that the article can say the where sold. That would be against core Wikipedia princyple. You do not need to proof something is wrong, you need to proof something is correct. --Walter 18:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I expect to have soon permission to put some info online in public and I will put translations with it. --Walter 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Walter, you can e-mail me at webmaster@check-six.com, and I will host your evidence for public view. Check-Six 20:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about privacy and permission, not about hosting facilities. I have the necessary permissions. The letter is on commons.  :Image:Brief Jan Stalmans - Paul Van Hoeydonck 11-09-2007.jpg --Walter 20:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I have also put some more information about the book source on that page  --Walter 13:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  950 Fallen Astronauts 

message: Sculpture on the moon: Paul van Hoeydonck's Fallen Astronaut... -- AnonMoos (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good I thought - I've added some key points, but plenty more could be added. Johnbod (talk) 12:09, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Slate'' article

message: See edit . Who is that? AFAIK there was no one with such name on the plaque.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1148:B0BA:1914:1D32:55A0:1E89:6318 (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing it out. Removed. (It's an internet meme originating in the Kerbal Space Program. In other words, it's vandalism).  ---Sluzzelin talk 14:21, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jebediah Kerman 

message: I have issues with the scan of a letter purported to show a conversation between someone and the artist.  It could be original research, especially considering that it mentions Wikipedia.  Even if that someone is notable, it would be OR for that person to put the image up themselves. Additionally, the letter's provenance is unknown; I could have just as easily produced it myself, if only I spoke Dutch. I'm leaving the image, and inline content probably derived from it, as-is — I've only tagged it, because there may be some special situation I'm not aware of.
04:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know; I assume you're aware the person who uploaded and added the image started the 950 Fallen Astronauts thread above? I first found your Section OR tag confusing, because the text was generally well-cited and I didn't know you were talking about the image. I replaced the section tag with a more precise in-line OR tag. (I also removed the duplicate link to the image, which improperly attempted to use  But I don't know that "OR" is the right term; it seems to be a euphemism for what you seem to be accusing  of, which would be fraud. You also raise an interesting point about Wikipedia; I wonder if we have a conflict-of-intrest situation? JustinTime55 (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Hi, MediaWiki just informed me about this. What a blast from the past. I have just read again Talk:Fallen_Astronaut#950_Fallen_Astronauts. I must say that my previous self has explained that good. I have improved the translation on the page on commons; :File:Brief Jan Stalmans - Paul Van Hoeydonck 11-09-2007.jpg I have also checked OTRS and the emails and files are still there. --Walter (talk) 18:10, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image could be original research 

message: just added coordinates  to the article. I question the source of this (was not able to tag "cite needed" because of how the coord template works.)
* Apollo 15 gives the landing coordinates as 
* That article also says "Scott then drove the rover to a position away from the LM, where the television camera could be used to observe the lunar liftoff. Scott set up a memorial nearby to the cosmonauts and astronauts who were known to have died up to that time, with a plaque bearing their names and a Fallen Astronaut statuette".
* The difference in longitude is about 1.2 degrees. Since the mean radius of the Moon is 1,737.10 km, that means one degree is that number times 2 pi / 360, or 30.3 km. This puts it 36.4 km east of the LM, which is obviously too far away for him to walk back, and for the camera to record the liftoff.
* The difference in latitude is about 0.4 degrees (give or take), which is about 12 km; still too far. JustinTime55 (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

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message: Why there is no page dedicated to the artist Paul Van Hoeydonck is incredible!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjohn1970 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Van Hoeydonck