Talk:Qinghai–Tibet railway

message: "BSP carriages are from Bombardier" --- what is a BSP carriage?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.170.18 (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BSP is an abbreviation for the company that built the carriages; it is not a type of carriage. I have clarified that in the text. Quigley (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear Description 

message: is the chart really necessary in an encyclopedia article? will delete later if no one objects. -anon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.26.63 (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: an outline of the prices is really useful in giving an idea. Also it is quite important to have a link to the operating authority of the line.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.129.49.66 (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ticket Prices 

message: I find this section full of contradictory statements. It speaks of the need to improve educational access to Tibetans & the ability to compete in the economy, yet rails against the logistical basis on which it must be achieved. How could access to better education come about when people have no ability migrate and settle in Tibet? How can Tibetans be competitive if they are perpetually kept in the nomadic lifestyles of feudal times? How can Tibetians benefit economically when they remain isolated and have no knowledge of or exposure to people beyond the next hill or mountain? How can the economy improve without the logistical infrastructure to channel in technology, capital, entrepreneurs, and skilled labor? It may be true that Tibetans are by enlarge unable to compete economically in the status quo. However, by NOT embarking on projects like this railway, they will only remain impoverished, and the socio-economic gap between Tibetans & Hans will be even greater. So do you guys think an attempt should be made to discuss these contradictions?--Lssah 88 05:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty normal in anti-Chinese government criticism.  Ever hear how everyone say the one-child policy is stupid?  At the same time complain about how population is out of control?  You get use to it and eventually learn to just ignore their BS.  24.89.245.62 (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism Section 

message: When the railway construction that started on June 29, 2001 is complete (expected in 2005; signalling and track testing require another 6 to 12 months), it will be possible to travel from Lhasa to Beijing in 48 hours
: What was the travel time like before the railway? Alex.tan June 30, 2005 07:12 (UTC)
:: No "before", coz it will be the first railway in Tibet. 61.149.20.155 07:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I travelled by sleeper bus (bunks) Golmud - Lhasa, and back; 26 hours each way, with additional hours for breakdowns. Which are certain, the only question being how many hours for breakdowns. Plus injuries to passengers (I was flung against the roof twice; on a different trip a Swiss fellow three times, who then had to be dragged off the driver while remonstrating), though I did not suffer from altitude sickness, a fellow traveller did. Cheers NickyMcLean 20:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quite the story you got there.  Ever consider turning it into a movie?  Cus it's action packed! Yongke 02:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detail questions 

message: How much did it cost to construct the railway? — Instantnood 23:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 22.4 billion yuan (~ US$ 2.76 billion) as of July 2005. Yaohua2000 16:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Can you provide a source of this figure so that it can be included in the article? — Instantnood 17:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just searched for the keyword "青藏铁路 投资" at Google, one of the results in the first page. Yaohua2000 17:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cost

message: If it's moved again (and I have no opinion on the article title right now), please ensure that the todolist at Talk:Qingzang railway/to do gets moved appropriately too.  Moving the main article does not touch subpages such as this.  Slambo (Speak) 10:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have yet to see any evidence that such a convention exists. What is the common English name for Jingha railway or for Jingtong Expressway? Google turns up very few hits for any version of the name outside of Wikipedia. On the other hand, Wikipedia has a very well-established convention of using common names where they exist. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 22:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chinese railway system is complex. The two-character name is a convention in railway naming for long time. If you can read a bit of Chinese, see :zh:Template:中国铁路, which is an incomplete list of Chinese railways, I found many of them not very easy to express as the full name in English. And there is also some three-character short names for some railways, not yet listed there. I am not a railway expert, I do not know how to translation some of them. If you can translate them all, go ahead with the full names, or use pinyin short name. Yao Ziyuan 04:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion

message: I suggest a new section on the technical challenges encountered during the construction of the railway should be added to this article. It is because from what I read from the press, the high altitude of the region was causing all sorts of trouble during the planning and construction stage. I am no expert in the matter so it would be really appreciated if someone could add to that. cheungie 00:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Technical Challenges

message: However, the immediate and direct economic benefit to the Tibetan population is immeasurable.
While this is plausible, it is unsourced and probably POV even if it were sourced.  Miraculouschaos 19:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it came from a reliable source it could be included altho obviously a slight re-write would be needed to make it clear it's just an opinion not a fact Nil Einne 11:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase was removed some time ago. Miraculouschaos is correct, when an opinion is hyperbole to the extent of being factually untrue, it doesn't matter whether it's sourced or not. The source, by definition, is unreliable, because it stated something that is wrong. 24.130.145.204 (talk) 22:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Immeasurable Benefits?

message: For those interested, Wired Magazine wrote an article on this railway for their July 2006 issue. I read some of it and it seems quite useful. It's available online here: Wired online article. - Zepheus 19:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wired article 

message: In the lead paragraph, why isn't the Tibetan-language name given for the railway alongside the Mandarin and English ones? --Dpr 01:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: ●Normal station
  ●Station with 观景台
  Note: stations in gray are 无人职守车站
  Note: 本图只做示意之用
Okay, uh, what? I thought this was the English wikipedia. That text isn't even part of the image. 24.154.89.54 03:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 本图只做示意之用???

message: There are some photographs in the German version of this page. Can we use them over here?--DIGIwarez 04:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There we are, I've uploaded them and added them into the article with translations of the original captions. --Guinnog 05:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that this image is OK, but don't we need to put this line and draw it into, say, a map of China? So people will know in which part of China this line works (i.e. the western part)? Heilme 10:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wired has a pretty good map (on the left). -- Миборовский 00:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, I made my own version. See what you think. --Guinnog 08:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Beautiful! Thanks for the nice picture. Heilme 06:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: This is a great list, but it makes the page a little hard to read and edit. Can I have your thoughts please on:
# Moving it to the foot of the article
# Splitting it into a separate article?
Thanks --Guinnog 05:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think splitting it would be better. Jon 13:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done that. See what you think. --Guinnog 18:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of railway stations

message: Re: The critism section. Is that normal on other Chinese trains? Jon 13:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not normal, since most (about 80%) trains are air-conditioned, the windows can't be open. but on those trains whose window can be open, it is quite common. Yao Ziyuan 08:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Throwing trash out train windows???

message: The corporation may call it Qingzang, but wouldn't it make sense to translate that into English? After all, Qingzang really only means Qinghai-Xizang, or, in English, Qinghai-Tibet.
For example, you wouldn't make the page for the people's republic of China say "zhonghua renmin gongheguo."  (I know that's not a great example, but I think you get my point) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.106.136 (talk • contribs) 22:30, September 9, 2006.Mistakefinder (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See above.  This was already discussed. Slambo (Speak) 14:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was discussed, but never really settled. Might as well discuss it again.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 21:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: User:Huaiwei's edits (  ; ) are effectively implying that Macao, a special administrative region which has no railway, is not a province-level entity. I agree with this view, but I am well aware that it has always been a matter of debate on Wikipedia. Saying "last province-level entity in mainland China" is, in comparison, always correct. — Instantnood 16:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "The last province-level entity"

message: I just watched an episode of Discovery's "Man Made Wonders" that deals with this railroad. They give an inauguration date of 1 July 2005 (even emphasizing that it was completed one year earlier than planned). The article says 1 July 2006.
Which date is correct?
--195.56.53.118 (talk) 22:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Discovery is not correct. Python eggs (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inauguration date 

message: Question to original writer:
In the opening paragraph, after the Tibetian name is a series of rectangle characters(མཚོ་བོད་ལྕགས་ལམ།). Are these supposed to be some Tibetian written script that cannot be displayed, or a mistake? Please indicate the language so I can install font support for that language or remove those characters. --Mistakefinder (talk) 14:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check your Tibetan rendering support. Python eggs (talk) 15:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undisplayed rectangle characters (མཚོ) 

message: Accompanied by short clip talking about "The world highest railway". No signs of explanation what effect climate change will have or when it has been predicted to happen. While that clip might be worthy to illustrate uniqueness of r/r or to introduce engineering challenges, it does not explain that predicted "negative effect" caused thawing permafrost layer. I removed that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.228.113.52 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced "Nonetheless, it is certain that climate change will have a negative effect." statement. 

message: "temperatures in the Tibetan Plateau will increase by an estimated two to three degrees Celsius."
Without debating whether or not it is correct, it is not a fact but is stated as such.  SteveOak (talk) 19:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion stated as fact 

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message: The "economic" and "social" sections of the page are literally Chinese state propaganda.  The railway is presented only as a boon to Tibetan peoples.  This POV is, of course, exactly what the authoritarian state would like to suggest.  Quoting state only state sources wildly biases these section.  By contrast, notable Tibet Studies scholars such as Emily Yeh, Charley Makley, and Andrew Grant have extensively published on the detrimental impacts felt by Tibetan peoples, as a direct result of infrastructure such as the Q-T railway. This article badly needs to get rid of Chinese state sources and present leading academic scholars' points of view. --Smilo Don (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The issues you've called out remain largely unresolved, but I've moved the NPOV tag to flag this section specifically. Jpatokal (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant POV issues on this page