Talk:Rotational grazing

message: Title of this article appears to be in extreme conflict with the first sentence. One says "Managed Intensive Grazing" and one says "Management Intensive Grazing".  In the first case the comma is missing but "intensive" modifies "grazing".  In the second "intensive" modified "management".  So in one case the grasing is intense and the other the managment is intense.  The rest of the article makes it clear the latter intepretation is correct: the cattle are instensely managed to get optimal results.  Indeed it is the opposite of intensive grazing because the whole goal is to prevent intense overgrazing.
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replies: text: conflict fixedRedddbaron (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title is wrong

message: There are some very critical research papers on rotational grazing systems eg:
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no mention of the critics is made so it looks like the article has WP:NPOV problems.--Salix (talk): 19:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, that paper is about rotational grazing, (or prescribed grazing) not Managed rotational grazing. There is a huge difference that Briske himself admits. "because it derives from experiments that intentionally excluded these human variables."-D. D. Briske, et.al. Origin, Persistence, and Resolution of the Rotational Grazing Debate: Integrating Human Dimensions Into Rangeland Research, Rangeland Ecology & Management 2011 64:4, 325-334
To say it another way. Prescribed rotational grazing is completely different than Managed intensive rotational grazing.Redddbaron (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. It will bring more balance to the article. I'm sure there are more relevant critiques than Briske. I'm also unsure how much work about rangeland apply to more humid environments.--Salix (talk): 20:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of criticism. 

message: :::== Criticism ==
Managed intensive rotational grazing paints a wide brush over many different managed grazing systems. Managers have found that rotational grazing systems can work for diverse management purposes, but scientific experiments have demonstrated that rotational grazing systems do not always necessarily work for specific ecological purposes.  This controversy stems from two main categorical differences in rotational grazing, prescribed management and adaptive management.  The performance of rangeland grazing strategies are similarly constrained by several ecological variables establishing that differences among them are dependent on the effectiveness of those management models. Depending on the management model, plant production has been shown to be equal or greater in continuous compared to rotational grazing in 87% of the experiments.D. D. Briske, J. D. Derner, J. R. Brown, S. D. Fuhlendorf, W. R. Teague, K. M. Havstad, R. L. Gillen, A. J. Ash, W. D. Willms, (2008) Rotational Grazing on Rangelands: Reconciliation of Perception and Experimental Evidence. Rangeland Ecology & Management: January 2008, Vol. 61, No. 1, pp. 3-17 Another limitation of land management systems is that economically and politically powerful users can easily quantify and argue their needs. It is harder to define the economic value of ecosystem services and, therefore, the ecosystems and people most dependent on them for their subsistence become voiceless and often neglected users.Nilsson, C., and B. Malm Renöfält. 2008. Linking flow regime and water quality in rivers: a challenge to adaptive catchment management. Ecology and Society 13(2): 18.
Redddbaron (talk) 00:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok since no one objected, I added the criticism section and removed the dispute. I also added a reference or two and made minor changes to reflect a neutral POV.Redddbaron (talk) 03:38, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed addition of a criticism section

message: Hi, I just read this article.  I don't know anything about this topic and came here looking for information.  Do any of the people watching this article know whether this is a theoretical system, or if this is actually used?  If so, who uses it?  Big conventional livestock producers, small organic producers?  What is the extent of its use?  Some real world information would be super helpful.  Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is actually used. There are many variants, but taken together it is even the dominant grazing system in many areas of the world. I don't have the reference at hand at the moment, but I remember reading it is the dominant grazing system in Great Britain ... partly due to the Mad Cow disaster. Many people use it, but because it is labor intensive compared to a feedlot or a 20000 square mile Texas ranch...... It has a tendency to be more common in smaller farms rather than larger. The largest farm I personally know of using it is 20,000 acres, but far more common on farms 100 acres or less.Redddbaron (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying!  Would be great to get this into the article... Jytdog (talk) 11:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Polyface Farm Just one of many working farms using MIRG. Redddbaron (talk) 03:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's lovely but I am looking for lines, not points... I've been reading the sources in this article, they provide some data. I will add this eventually. Jytdog (talk) 04:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question - is this theoretical or actually used?  if so how much? 

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