Talk:Ilyushin Il-10

message: This articles need editing. The English is excellent but obviously written by a Russian speaker. --Dustek 13:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Polish speaker, in fact :-) Pibwl ←« 22:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: I'm not sure whether Ilyushin Il-1 should be redirected here - my reading of the sources which I've looked at, including the Air Enthusiast article (which does not mention the Il-1 at all), Bill Gunston's Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft and The Complete Book of Fighters suggest that they are distinct (although possibly related) aircraft produced to different requirements - The Il-1 was meant as a low level fighter  (according to the Complete Book of Fighters meant to compete with the Su-7), with the Il-10 produced (together with the Il-8 and the AM-42 powered versioon of the Su-6) as a result of a 1942 requirement to produce improved Shturmoviks.  The relationship between the two types really needs better citing.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The general practice has been to prima facie follow the manufacturer's/operator's designation sequence except in cases where the differences between types have been trivial and/or (pragmatically) there hasn't been enough material to sustain separate articles of any length. If Уголок неба can sustain a separate article on the Il-1, so can we. I'd strongly oppose a merge. --Rlandmann (talk) 22:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gunston also has separate entries although it does state that the Il-10 used the Il-1 airframe - it could do with someone who has access to some more of the references listed in the Bibliography to try and fill in the gaps here.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes - I agree completely that the relationship needs to be determined and stated as reliably as we can; I just note that their stories are evidently separate enough to sustain separate articles, even if it turns out that the airframes were largely identical. --Rlandmann (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for upheaval -newbies -Huh. The source I am using states that a directive, from the State Defence Committee was issued to Plant no 18, (the factory used for Ilyushin production) to produce a single and a two seat version of the same aircraft - the Il-1.  The controversy seems to be the link between the Il-1 and the Il-10, which, in my source, is merely a case of changing the name. If that becomes the concensus, then the case for almalgamation/redirect would be overwhelming. Petebutt (talk) 02:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Stronger, for sure, but not overwhelming, since the stories of the "two" types might prove distinct enough to sustain separate articles. --Rlandmann (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Il-1

message: Is that a B or cyrillic В (ie. a Latin V)? Danceswithzerglings (talk) 16:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Avia B-33

message: Is it corroborated by anything else? The references only point to two newspaper articles, one of which references a self-published book by a local hobbyist historian (and also says it happened both on April 14th and August 14th), and another simply reports from a local commemorative event organized by Tzschoppe, the local scribe and the author of the same book.
I'm not disputing the fact (at least at the moment), but it is really strange that a catastrophe of this magnitude was not reported anywhere else. For example, this list features USSR aircraft accidents in 1951 in some detail, including their mostly not-so-glamorous causes, and it doesn't list this undoubtedly much more dramatic accident.
I added the section on the Kemlitz incident.  I did so after discovering the grave memorials of the aircrew involved in the Soviet Military Cemetery in Potsdam.  I took photographs of two memorials (one with fifteen names and an adjacent memorial with six more) all relating to this incident.  I was also amazed this an incident of this magnitude did not appear to be recorded anywhere.  I have seen nothing to refute the incident, although I admit the supporting evidence is scant.
GeSalt (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Kemlitz incident