Talk:Core Shamanism

message: To me, neoshaminism is a general category, and Core Shamanism is a specific.  It would be like lumping Judaism, Christianity, and Islam under an article called "Religions that began in the Middle East" or Gettysberg and Bull Run under "Battles of the American Civil War."  Keep them seperate. Carptrash 15:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

message: yeah, "Core shamanism" is actually, in my opinion, the "scientology"
of NeoShamanism. It may be popular and ketchy, but its not fair
to other Shamanic systems to lump them in under it. More importantly,
it isn't a real taxonomy.
And, as it admits, its an amalgam of assorted Shamanic systems,
in the tradition of "New Age". Simply put, when Michael Harner integrated 10 different systems, he had only a superficial understanding of any one particular of them. The system flails because it is a non lucid eclectic attempt, at too low an educational level.
Prometheuspan 21:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  agree with above 

message: "to attain the Shamanic State of Consciousness,"
There isn't >>one<< shamanic state of consciousness, there are
4 main brainwave states of consciousness and intermediate levels
between them.
Prometheuspan 21:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the" being a perfect example 

message: Both articles are very low on actual content. Surely they can both be redirected to, and merged into, Shamanism as it already has a Shamanism and New Age section that is arguably better written.
San de Berg 10:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further merging suggestion 

message: As per the common naming conventions at wikipedia, I think Core Shamanism should be merged into Neoshamanism, not the other way around. Currently, neither of these entries are very notable. Core shamanism is a subset of neoshamanism, and the neoshamanism material is so sparse, perhaps they should both be merged into a sub-section of shamanism. WeniWidiWiki 06:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: if we go around merging all the article that don't hve content into something else we severly limit the ability of these articles to grow.  Seperate But Equel.  Carptrash 02:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  keep them seperate 

message: Regarding an edition added in the Criticism section.
"However, recent work by Peter N. Jones questions this criticism, as his work shows that the term shamanism has been used by a wide number of individuals, groups, and cultures across time and can not be linked to a specific group, culture, or ethnic identity (reference: "Shamans and Shamanism: A Comprehensive Bibliography of the Terms Use in North America")."
(respectfully)
Native Americans dont have issues with shamanism of other cultures or the term shamanism.
The issue among Native Americans is that of: those people exploiting the term "Native American", "Indian", passing themselves as Native Americans (when they are not), non Natives selling certain "Native American" characteristic religious items (such as Native American type drums, Native american type of rattles, Native American type of feather headresses, Made in China 'Dream Catchers' etc), selling New Age type books (by non Natives) with reference to Native people (but with historically and anthropological incorrect and revisonist information) just to make it catchy to sell for personal profit etc. Theres seems to be strong elements of 'cultural fetishism' and romanticism ('Noble Savage' false sterotyping) which I find.
Theres tons of info about this issue over the net and on youtube.
For example on youtube about "Ego Woman". Someone whose clearly non Native but continues to pass herself as Native American...etc
I hope that clears things up.
Henry123ifa (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of Context