Talk:Metallica/Archive 4

message: Someone needs to put that event in the bio.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.35.21 (talk) 04:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica Icon 

message: What happened to the logo in the infobox? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: Don't forget to include in the article the release of the Black album on DVD Audio. --MarioV 22:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Audio 

message: I've made a number of wording changes to the Discography section. Much of the info included was NPOV and there was also a significant amount of weasel wording. In addition, a lot of it was worded in ways that were awkward at best and misleading at worst, which I've done my best to improve.
I would also suggest removing the links to individual years and dates as I can't see how it helps the article or a reader and is just another thing adding to the swelling page size... what do others think? DavidLaurenson 15:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improved the Discography 

message: "By this stage the band had become infamous for their extensive use of alcohol, so much so, that they were often nicknamed "Alcoholica". Alcohol had become an integral part of their music and performance, and would continue to be for many years."
I've removed this following paragraph because:
a) The Alcoholica nickname isn't really important or relevant to anything.
b) The second sentence is just plain misleading, leading a reader to think that their music was defined by alcohol and that they were all incapable of playing a show without being drunk, which is just plain wrong. DavidLaurenson 17:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also believe it's relevant, it's been mentioned in documentaries about the band and should be mentioned here. Vicco Lizcano 18:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: It is said it the article that Metallica made a video("One") despite claims of never releasing one......
I have seen this claim many times, but did Metallica actually claim that? what's the source of that?
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It's a joke/running gag amongst Metallica fans, mainly due to the fact that many TV shows/news articles about the band ignore the fact that "One" was the group's first music video and instead falsely claim that "Enter Sandman" was the first video Metallica made simply because Enter Sandman is the group's first big hit with the mainstream...
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That wasn't my question, I meant that in many places, including wikipedia is sais that many fans of the band thought metallica "sold out" with their first video because they stated they will never make a video.
Now, my question is - did they really state that? are there any refrences? AnoreX 20:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video? 

message: The article states that the most likely reason for the perceived absence of bass guitar is that Jason was absent during the mixing sessions and thus unable "to affect the final mixing process". Are we to understand that the only person in the room who knew what a bass guitar is supposed to sound like, was Jason ? Or did his absence cause them to forget all about it ?
Something smells fishy about the whole thing.
Omega Man 22:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that, regardless of whether or not he was there, the down-mixing of the bass was done deliberately.  However, until something is officially said about it, anything that gives reasons for it is most likely speculation. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing bass on "...and justice for all" 

message: I found out only the grammies listed here, so I added the other awards months back, recently I found about two more awards which I have listed here again;
*1999: Catalog Artist of the Year: Metallica
*1999: Catalog Album of the Year: Metallica (The Black Album)
also I read it that the album is still on charts after 700weeks, 14yrs (black album that is) i believe it should be mentioned somewhere. Akeeq 17:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: I read here; http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html that it is the 16th biggest act, any references to the 18th digit? should it be changed to 16? Akeeq 17:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  18th Biggest Commercial Act? 

message: This was listed twice in appearances for some reason with slightly different wording each time.  I fixed this.
 anonymous 71.226.17.185 02:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apppearance on The Simpsons 

message: I just had the thought, "why is apocalyptica not mentioned on the page?" If it is, sorry for not noticing. But back to the point, I think there should be a list of (keyword here is) successful bands that have done well written and played arrangements of metallica songs.
... It was just a thought.
Duckmurderer 05:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successful Cover Bands? 

message: I added a references section to the article and replaced those external links with that you can see just in the beginning of the article. This kind of references should be used from now on; This article has too little external references and we need that to try to make this a featured article. Metallica deserves that :P --Serte 19:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Metallica IS?  Or Metallica ARE?  There is more than one person in the band, they are not a single entity.  There is is no consistency on this issue either as the phrase "the band were" is frequently used rather than "the band was" which would be correct if the band was one person or a single entity (depending on context).
194.221.133.226 09:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to post exactly the same query. I think in America, bands are normally regarded as singular, I've always taken it as plural. If I may say, you're slightly wrong in that "the band was" is technically correct, because the band is a single entity, however, the band contains a plural number of people. There's no centre Wikiproject to which we can refer, so I'm not sure how we can solve it.  SteveLamacq43 00:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just spent some time browsing for an answer to this, without anything to link to. At least with anything definitive. Metallica is a band. Metallica is an entity. There is only one. The guys are in the band that is Metallica. We don't say the Government are fools (sorry), and Enron were a company, and so on. I say we stick with is as long as it sounds right. Jimcripps 02:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to that...what "sounds right" is not always what's correct on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia rule is: American subject=American English rules and any non-US subjects get International(referred to as UK English here on Wikipedia) rules. IE. "Metallica is"..IS correct since they are an American band. "Motorhead are", "Iron Maiden are", "Judas Priest are" ARE all correct too as they are UK subjects and therefore follow UK English rules where the subject is treated as a plural. Anger22 02:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pluralise! 

message: As of 25 October 2006, per WP:WIAGA, here's my assessment of this article:
* (criterion 1.a) – Prose is compelling, but there are some orphaned paragraphs (only one-sentence paragraph) to be merged with others. Remove all inexact terms, such as "currently", "present", etc., per WP:MOS.
* (criterion 1.b) – The lead section appears to be more advertising rather than summarizing the article.
* (criterion 2.a) – This is my main concern for this article to have GA status. There are a lot of unsourced facts. Some sections have no source at all. Some templates have been put there as a reminding for the editors to supply them with reliable sources. I've put also some inline citation needed tags, mostly on quotes. Also all trivia have to be sourced.
* (criterion 2.d) – There is a speculative sentence, that leads to WP:OR: 
** It is uncertain if Burton was dead at this point or not.
** Very little of Newsted's bass is audible, and some fans speculate this was done intentionally as a reaction to Burton's death or as a way of hazing Newsted.
* (criterion 6.a) – There are some copyrighted images with lack of fair use rationale for this article. Please fix this.
Conclusion: I failed this article for GA, mainly for lack of citations. There are a lot of unreferenced quotes and unsourced facts. Please supply them with reliable sources to conform verifiability of this article. After all the above matters are solved, then this article can be renominate it again. If you feel disagree with my review, you can always submit this article to WP:GA/R. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 08:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be working on this to archieve a good status, striking completed/uneeded criteria. Michaelas10 (T|C) 18:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: Why the hell are there so many citation needed tags in the mainstreem section?  In my opinion, a lot of those statements do not need citations at all...It looks very bad and suggests that no research has been done.  I think that much better judgement should be used when adding those tags.  For example, Metallica increased their audience, the guitar was thin, this was their more structurally complex, etc. do not need citations.  Just my thoughts, anybody agree or disagree?  Whoever added all of those tags, I would appreciate an explanation just so I know why they were placed there (I could be completely wrong about this, I was want to know why I am wrong if I am) Wikipediarules2221 06:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not a joke. It is part of GA review, see above. Yes, it looked bad, because there are so many unsourced sections and facts. Every trivia should be sourced. Every quotes should be sourced. Every facts/figures/numbers should be sourced. Every sentences that raise doubts should be sourced. And especially for biography living person article, every negative statements about the subject should be sourced. Now, replace those tags with your reliable source. Otherwise remove the whole line. Remember, there is no such a common knowledge. One common knowledge for someone may not be common knowledge to someone else.  — Indon (reply) — 13:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umm...Is that a Joke? 

message: Am I missing something, or is part of the information in the second sentence somewhat banal? - Sure, I think I get the idea: The author wanted to stress the total without leaving out the information on where how many albums were sold--but it really sounds odd. Maybe split the sentence and mention first the info broken down geographically, and in the next sentence say something like "The resulting total of..."?? But does all of this info actually have to be in the intro at all? Maybe the geographical break-down cut be moved to further down in the article? --Ibn Battuta 23:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arithmetic: 57,000,000+35,000,000 > 90,000,000 

message: Artwork needs caption tying it to Metallica. BabuBhatt 21:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can find no reasoning to have "Devil's D-day" in the article. Can anyone clue me in? Jimcripps 18:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artwork needs caption tying it to Metallica 

message: Okay, I'm having trouble adding sources, but I can provide a lot of links here so that any of you can add them at their respective places. Anyone upto it? Akeeq 14:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References, Sources 

message: Removing the band's image because, "they can be possibly pictured again" seems very silly to me, since this also means that every fair-use image of a living person should be removed. I'm having trouble finding any free image of them online, as the most of them are either copyrighted or don't have their copyright status mentioned. Does anyone have a decent picture of them, such as in a concert or something? I can't see how this will get a good status otherwise. Michaelas10 (Talk) 18:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removal 

message: I noticed that the image of the logo isn't appearing on the page. It doesn't even work when I put it outside the infobox.
:Image:Metallica_logo.svg
See, it doesn't appear here either. I think it may have something to do with the transparent background. 
Can someone replace it with a version that has a white background and see if it works then? --Machchunk | make some noise at me 06:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took out the pixel size, and it shows. Must have something to do with the 'thumb' attribute and pixel width together, or the width size was incorrect. Also replaced the blank with the underscore. Jimcripps 18:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with logo 

message: This site states that Kill 'Em All was originally going to be called "Metal Up Yer Ass" instead of "Metal Up Your Ass". Wikipediarules2221 05:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Up Yer Ass 

message: Like one previous editor, I too am having trouble adding references.  A reference for the claim that Metallica opened for The Rolling Stones under the Other Appearences section can be found  here.  I would appreciate it if someone could add this reference.  Thanks a lot.  Wikipediarules2221 05:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Is Metallica also a Speed Metal band?
No. 61.5.151.220 20:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed Metal 

message: In the Mainstream Success section, the article reads: "It is said that Hetfield repeatedly yelled at the bus driver..." Using the words "it is said" manifests poor fact checking and casts a shadow of doubt on the authenticity of the claim.  I know that the statement is true because James says so on the VH1 Behind the Music of Metallica video.  The problem is, this source is heavily cited and I am not sure how to cite the same source numerous times.  I would appreciate help with this so I can help improve the validity of many statements in this article.
*Also, there are numerous parenthetical statements in this article that take away from the content.  One such example also manifests poor referencing: "...as a way to test a new studio they had constructed (according to the EP's liner notes)"
*I have a serious problem with this statment (other than the fact that it is 2 sentences long like every other paragraph in the section):"...and some fans speculate this was done intentionally as a reaction to Burton's death or as a way of hazing Newsted. The most likely reason, as mentioned by Hetfield and Ulrich in subsequent interviews,[citation needed] was that because Newsted wasn't at the mixing sessions, he wasn't able to affect the final mixing process"  The bit about the fans' speculation should be deleted (in my opinion, let me know if you disagree) and possibly even the whole paragraph until sources are found.  Any line that has something to the effect of "as [Whoever] mentioned in subsequent interviews" should be deleted on-sight.  
*Also, the sentence "The Damaged Justice Tour followed" is short and brings down the quality of writing.  With no information about the Damaged Justice Tour following, I feel that the sentence is out of place and should be deleted.
*Next, we get some 1 sentence paragraphs.  One question I have is: how is the fact that Metallica chose the video for One to be the first video they released ironic?  I may be a complete moron (probably the case ;)) but I do not see the irony.
These are just my opinions and if anybody has any comments, I would love to hear them.  Furthermore, these are just suggestions and should be disregarded if they are seen as poor suggestions.  I think that the article is well-written with the exception of this section.  In my opinion, this section needs some serious work beyond the points I made.  I hope everybody will help clean this section up and bring this article to GA status.  Thanks and cheers! Wikipediarules2221 01:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few problems I have with the article 

message: This is getting very annoying, someone keeps on removing this part;
The Black Album is also tied for the 26th spot of highest selling album of all time in USA. In 2005 after 14 years of its release the album was still #11 on the Top Pop Catalog Chart. It has been on the charts for well over 700 weeks.
Kindly read the discussion, if you have to remove a part state your reason here.
Here is the reference; http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html Akeeq 20:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not remove without a cause 

message: I have removed the totally disputed tag. If anyone has issues/ or wants to put it up again, kindly state your reason here first. Why have I removed it? A couple of reasons.
1) Only one line of the whole article has the neutrality disputed tag on it, and that does not make the whole article "Totally disputed"
2) I was given a reason that not all of the article cites its references, for that we do have the "This section does not cite its references" tag above paragraphs where necessary. It does not need the totally disputed tag for it.
3) The tag on neutrality disputed is on a line which is taken from; MTV Icon: Metallica. If anyone has seen it they would agree to the fact. I do not know how to cite it as a reference. So its again neutral. Shouldn't be any issue. Akeeq 17:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, fact tags don't count for NPOV tagging unless the statements also present a particular POV. If I say "Chile has 6.5 annual inches of rain" then this does not count. "This is the reason that Chile will never be able to compete with the Argentinian produce market" does count. A lot of times, I'll just remove these if, based on my knowledge of the subject matter or common sense, the statement is unproveable (e.g. 'Metallica is the best thrash band ever'). Antonrojo 03:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This makes sense to me. Thanks Hiding and Antonrojo for helping me reach this understanding. Roguegeek (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for clearing it all up. :) Akeeq 05:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally Disputed Tag 

message: I believe an addition needs to be added regarding their influences. A very small piece was written about this but I did not see really any references to actual bands. The rock band "Rush" well known to be a large influence Canking 01:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Influences 

message: In the 'former members' section, Lloyd Grant is listed as a former member.  That is incorrect since he was NEVER considered to be a member of the band.  He was a guest musician to record a guitar solo for the first hit the lights demo.   A guest musician just like Mariane Faithfull was for Reload.  The former members are:
Jason Newsted - bass
Cliff Burton - bass
Dave Mustaine - guitar
Ron Mcgovney - bass
These 4 individuals were members of the band not Lloyd.  If you people noticed both Dave and Ron were thanked in the Kill 'em all booklet as former members not Lloyd —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Erang999 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Grant is NOT a former member 

message: Can someone replace the pic of Robert Trujillo? It looks as if he's shitting his pants! Really, it's not very good despite his "interesting" facial expression. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.122.0.105 (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better picture of Robert Trujillo 

message: This section was moved from the article to the talk page.  It should be incorporated into the existing text.  Trivia sections are inappropriate.  John Reaves 10:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Should there be a section, similar to discography that lists the various DVDs and Videos released? I'm not talking song video clips, but commercially available packages. For example, Cliff 'Em All, 2 of One, A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica (Parts 1 and 2), Live Shit - Bing and Purge, and Metallica - The Videos. Dgen 05:39:13, 23 January 2007 UTC
:Yea, good idea. Could put it in a list next to studio albums like in Slayer or Nightwish. M3tal H3ad 05:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos / DVDs 

message: Though listed in the 'Temporary Live Members' section, I know of one location to add and with a source, there is possibly a third to identify.
Texas Stadium, Dallas, Texas, Summer Sanitarium 2000. Same bill listed as the Atlanta show. System of a Down, Kid Rock, Korn, Metallica.
According to an ad placed for a guitar owned by one of the participants, Kenny Olsen (Kid Rock guitarist), there were three shows where Metallica minus James was complimented by members of the other three.
http://www.rockstarsguitars.com/product.php?c=1&cat=110&scat=215
The link may be here today, gone tomorrow.
Checking an outside fan site is contradictory but interesting. Lists shows in Dallas, Atlanta, and the end of the tour in Lexington KY. Unfortunately, the location for Dallas is wrong. It lists "Starplex Ampitheatre" but the show was at Texas Stadium. The stage was on the field and passes were available for that area. Available seating in the stands too.
http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/metallica_tour_dates_sanitarium.htm
Could Lexington be the third "occasion" listed in the Olsen article?
Playing drums for Korn (Dallas) was Mike Borden (listed in Korn as touring member but not for Summer Sanitarium specifically). Dreds. Skilled. When Korn's guitarists came on stage during the Metallica set and Lars began to play "Blind," he quit playing shortly after losing tempo on the third or fourth bar of the introduction. They tried more than once. Lars wondered aloud on the mic about being able to 'get it in rehearsal' (not exact quote; needs outside help) but for some reason not on stage. 
More on the factual side: Anybody know a way to get a scan of the "Road Rage" article from Guitar One magazine? It may have some interesting material if it can be published or hosted...or just quoted :)
Last but not least: Metallica (*cough* Lars *cough*) promised to honor the current Sanitarium tickets for a genuine Metallica show with James sometime in the future. They did follow through. The fill in set was really unique at that point, so another show later was considered a great gesture. Fans in the Dallas / Fort Worth metroplex may remember this, as with the filming of "Cunning Stunts" in Tarrant County Convention Center (this one the outside source lists properly) from '97 shows.
http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/metallica_tour_dates_poortour_usa.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.187.56.232 (talk) 04:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer Sanitarium 2000 - Locations 

message: Metallica is not a hard rock band, but some of the songs in thier later albums can be classified as hard rock, so i think it would be fair to leave hard rock as one of there genres.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.2.212 (talk) 22:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Metallica a Hard Rock Band 

message: I have just created the Megadeth Wikiproject.  But I think that the scope is too narrow (just Megadeth) and I think that the Metal Genere Wikiproject is too large of a scope to handle everything.  I propose that we make a Wikiprject Big Four, or something to that effect to cover the Big Four American Metal bands, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax. I'm eger to hear any opinons.   Adumbvoget 08:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal Big Four Wikiproject 

message: The past members Lloyd Grant, Brad Parker, & Jeff Warner were not listed on the line-ups, or even the template at the bottom of the page. They were brief, but as oppose to what the ignorant person saying Lloyd Grant was not a member was saying, they were. The correct history includes these people, and they should be listed. - IP: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.88.206.118 (talk) 06:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Members 

message: Quite obviously, the infobox on the article page is broken.  I've been more concerned with learning the site's policies than its organizational nuances, so I lack the knowledge necessary to correct the issue. .Absolution. 05:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Infobox 

message: I think there should be a new more clear band picture in the infobox, this one is out dated and hard to see the members clearly. Skeeker 18:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try find a better one. M3tal H3ad 10:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Has anyone else heard the rumor that Metallica lost the master recordings of their first three albums?
If you have a source, add the information on there. Thundermaster367 13:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost Masters of first three albums? 

message: thank you Zephead999 20:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include how they were dubbed "Alcoholica" 

message: I noticed on Amazon.com that Vertigo and Universal reissued the band's catalog last year in Japan.
When did their licensing deal with Sony formally cease to exist?
The reissues are released in mini jackets with the band's new logo and artwork printed on the discs.
Also, I noticed that Jason Newsted's face was cut off from the cover of the reissue of Garage Inc.
Does anybody own these discs?
If so, are they remastered as well?
Electrokinesis 18:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunno about the remastering, but the cover has an obi strip down the left side. It's just a detachable strip of paper, not a part of the cover, so Jason Newsted is still pictured. --jh51681 04:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Reissues 

message: I have read that the reason why Jason's bass was virtually mixed out of the Justice album was
because it was supposed to be some kind of hazing process implemented by the band; a way of paying his dues.
Although, to me, this argument doesn't make sense because Jason was prominently featured on the Garage Days EP.
This is my opinion, but to me, it seems as if Garage Days and Justice were recorded and released in the wrong order.
Justice is a great album, don't get me wrong, but it almost sounds like a backward step. I think it would have been better
if the record was released after Puppets.
What do you all think? Disagree?
I'd love to hear your feedback on this.
75.4.25.188 18:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To add to the bass discussion on "Justice" 

message: The logo featured at the top of the page is Metallica's first and classic logo, the "stabbing" logo. While this logo is still used by the band, would it not make more sense to use their newer "St. Anger era" logo which is featured prominently on both the band's official site and forums?
Metallica.com
Metallicabb.com
--CP 61 04:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: "they were asked to open for Ozzy Osbourne, and Master of Puppets climbed to number 29 on the Billboard Top Album Charts.[6] Some critics consider the album to be the "greatest heavy metal album of all time". But the album is Thrash Metal, isn't it?
::Thrash Metal is a subgenre of Heavy Metal. --Pail 16:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake In Master Of Puppets? 

message: I don't know how but making a wikiproject for 'tallica would be sweet. Most of there single should be taken care of and some odds and ends stuff like that, so this is band and the articles sorrounding it are in tip top shape. Skeeker [Talk] 03:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject 

message: Metallica..is not speed metal..thrash metal..or anything but Metal, just plain metal...you people need to do some more research...
Iron James 04:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's your opinion, it doesn't clarify much of anything. By what stretch of the imagination are they not a thrash band? --Bongwarrior 04:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is from their official site, I think it's related.  -- Kudret abi 04:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are one of the key originators of thrash/speed metal and had probably the first album of the sort. If you want to still complain about it we can source them very easily. Skeeker [Talk] 04:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just To Clarify..... 

message: Please stop changing the logo, that logo was only used on one album and some singles, the original was used on six albums and most of the singles for them. when they have seven official albums with that logo on it then I think it will be okay for use. Skeeker [Talk] 10:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest finding what the real logo is and stopping this edit war, I have already blocked User:XAvengedSevenfoldX for violating the 3RR.  Edit warring will not be tolerated. Also, the new logo has no fair use rational and will end up being deleted soon if that is not fixed. DarthGriz98 18:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: I came here because of this:
In the 1980s Ozzy Osbourne and the bands Metallica and Judas Priest were brought to court by parents who accused the musicians of hiding subliminal pro-suicide messages in their music.
in the We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire article.  Didn't find any reference to it here.  Can someone put it in, or put up a todo or something...?
--geekyßroad. meow? 20:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing info about lawsuit? 

message: Why has the lay-out been changed to a comma separated list? It was  separated for years, until it was edited on 03:55, 8 September 2007  with the comment "line breaks are unnecessary". Since then there has been some editing and reverting regarding capitalization. As far as I know there is no consensus on the genre lay-out in artist infoboxes. I don't mind having comma separated lists but here I'd recommend using a  separated list because:
*Capitalization will be more straight forward, no needless edit warring
*Genres (speed metal in this case) won't be cut in two and displayed on two rows
I'll be bold and change it back to the original state. Kameejl (Talk) 14:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre layout in the infobox 

message: The article says Metallica was formed in October 28 1981, but the article 1981 says it was October 15. What is the correct date? anonymous user 14:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of foundation 

message: Why have articles for songs on Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets been deleted but none for any other album? Those two albums are their two most important to 'tallica fans, so the songs should be keapt. Orion was deleted that is an extremley important song, it was Cliff's baby. These songs should not be deleted. Skeeker [Talk] 06:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were all put through the proper AfD process and were all voted nn and redirected back into the article with a very large concensus to do so. It was noted that this should be done to all "Non"-singles of every artist.(and it has) Many other bands are having the bulk of their "plain old" album tracks either deleted or redirected since most of them are just unreferenced original research. Editors fill up the articles with crap like "song meanings" or "lyrical interpretations"... or even worse... adding copyvio lyrics into the article. It's just a growing trend on Wikipedia to clean up the unencyclopedic and unneccessary baggage. 142.167.69.56 07:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Song articles''' 

message: It bothers me that the article still states Metallica are heavy metal. They a thrash metal; they are a part of the Big Four of thrash metal. It should be common knowledge that this band is thrash metal, yet the articles says they are heavy metal. Why is this? 
And I disagree that heavy metal is a blanket term. It is a subgenre and nothing more, but regardless, shouldn't Metallica be referred to as what they really are? I would edit it, but it would probably simply be reverted back.
DustFC 23:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter if it "bothers" anyone. Wikipedia is not built on the personal opinions of editors. It is built on referenced, verifiable content from reliable sources. Personal POV does not apply here. Read WP:CITE, WP:V, WP:ATT and WP:RS. Metallica being labeled as a heavy metal band is abundantly referenced from reliable sources and has concrete verifiability. Content that is referenced from reliable sources cannot be removed from Wikipedia... this is vandalism. 142.167.75.132 23:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy metal? 

message: First of all why would a citation be needed for "Big Four"? Just type Big Four into any search engine and Metallica's name will come up several times.
Second, look into any Metallica biography and it will prove that Dave Mustaine answered the Metallica ad from the Recycler. C'mon people, let's show a little effort here since I can't edit it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.124.190 (talk) 12:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First two citations are silly. 

message: On the template (Template:Metallica), why do we have all of the tours? Can we take them off, they are so space consuming. The Category for Metallica tours are listed on the template, can't we do with just that? Skeeker [Talk] 03:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: This article severly needs citations. Skeeker [Talk] 22:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: in the current edit of the the article it states that Lars convinced Slagel to include hit the lights in the compilation.  This is not correct, Slagel promised Lars a spot if he got a band together - so i understand its kind of splitting hairs but the spot existed first not the song, even though with a earlier band "hit the lights" had already been written.  I first remember this from an official Metallica  bio i had read i wish i remembered the name of the book at the moment, i will attempt to look it up. 
the following is a segment of an interview with Ron McGovney it can be found at http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/Interviews/1997_ronmcgovney.htm
Q: At what time did Lars tell James of the opportunity to be on a record if they formed a band together?
A: "James had told me that they had a guitarist coming over for an audition. I remember opening up the front door and seeing this black dude with a Jamaican accent. He came in and they started jamming to Hit the Lights - the old Leather Charm song. They had this bass player at the time for about 2 or 3 weeks, I believe his name was Glen - he had long black hair - he couldn't really play too good at the time so they kicked him out. Lars had borrowed a 4-track TEAC machine to record a demo. So it was James playing the rhythm guitar riffs and singing, Lars on drums, Lloyd playing the leads, and I played bass." 
Q: So Dave Mustaine did not play on the first version of "Hit The Lights" which ended up on the Metal Massacre compilation album? 
A: "O.K... I believe on the very first pressing of Metal Massacre, they kept Lloyd's lead tracks, Lloyd actually only came over twice, and then they ended up recruiting Dave Mustaine on guitar - they had kept the ad running in the Recycler, they only planned on using Lloyd as a fill-in. As I remember, Dave played the two leads on Hit The Lights but they kept the second lead which Lloyd played because they liked it better. Now on the second pressing of the Metal Massacre, it was all Dave's leads." 
it also brings up a question on what defines bandmember, i will leave this up to others to decide but Lloyd did play and record with the band.?.
referring to excerpt above I'm not really sure about any copy write laws so I'm just including this at the bottom.
In this exclusive SHOCKWAVES interview, original METALLICA bassist Ron McGovney tells the true-life stories about the early days of one of the biggest rock'n'roll bands in the world 
By Pounding Pat O' Connor
Pounding Pat O'Connor is the former co-host and producer of "Mandatory Metallica", which was the highest rated show on the Pure Rock radio station KNAC-Los Angeles. This interview was conducted in Fall of 1996 and covered many subjects that were passed over during Ron McGovney's KNAC interview in July 1993. For further information regarding Ron McGovney or to reach Pounding Pat directly, write to: Pounding Pat, 9852 W. Katella #462, Anaheim, CA 92804.
this last section was found on http://www.hardradio.com/shockwaves/ron2.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstrbull81 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  metal massacre 

message: I realize Metallica fans know this but its not something anyone reading the article is going to know and that is that Mustaine was kicked out of the band during their time in New York and was replaced by Kirk BEFORE kill em all was recorded.  So although he has writing credits he did not appear on the album. I just find this needs to be stated somewhere in the article.
Mstrbull81 18:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kill em all 

message: the article states that justice was their first studio album after cliffs death, this is incorrect, though it was their first album containing original material the garage days ep did come first.
Mstrbull81 19:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Garage Days Re-Revisited is an EP, not a studio album. Funeral 19:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...and justice for all 

message: A citation is requested for the comment that humorous comparisons were made between Metallica's "black album" and Spinal Tap's black album.  A member of Spinal Tap (IIRC, Michael McKean) makes such a comparison in "A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica".  Perhaps someone more familiar with Wikipedia can add this citation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.246.91 (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spinal Tap Black Album reference 

message: I think there definitely should be an INFLUENCES section. I dont know much about metallica, there fore i dont know all the bands that influenced them. Ramones were one because they have covered a lot of their songs..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.42.157 (talk) 21:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  INFLUENCES!!! 

message: I nominated this article for GA status. Im not familiar w/ the good article criteria, so will anyone give it a review? Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 20:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs way more citations, it has 10 (I think) [citation needed] templates. Skeeker [Talk] 21:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nomination 

message: Unfortunately I'm going to have to quick fail this article's nomination for GA status.  Articles cannot be promoted with clean up banners in place, and this page bears several - 12  tags, an 'Expansion' banner for section Thrash metal pioneers (1983-86), a citation needed banner for section Load, ReLoad, Garage Inc., S&M and an OR tag for section Napster controversy. Feel free to resubmit the article for full review once these issues have been resolved, and happy editing! Frickative (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA quick fail 

message: I'm pretty sure it (Death Magnetic) got surpassed by AC/DC's Black Ice album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.3.103 (talk) 07:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "and became the fastest selling album in Australia for 2008.[70]" 

message: Is this page going to stay on lockdown because of the vandalism, or will it eventually unlock? I think the vandalism was unneeded and if it's always continuing then the page should stay, but I just wanted to know because I had a contribution.--Scott Greenstone (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Vandalism 

message: He wrote and performed on all songs on St. Anger. Many bands have a member as a producer, Jimmy Page was the producer for Led Zeppelin. Does writing and playing music make someone a member or do you need more than that? Pwr.max (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say he is since he contributed both in lyrical content and played bass on the whole entire St. Anger album. --Slyder Pilot 12:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Bob Rock count as a member? 

message: I think the picture should be changed to another picture so people could see band members' faces.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmagnetic08 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture needed 

message: Metallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95, should fix that mistake, www.missionmetallica.com showed a video with their sales.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, at least one site cites Metallica's worldwide album sales as more than 200 million. But that's twice as high as any other reference I've seen, so I didn't think it was reliable enough to add.--Foolishgrunt (talk) 01:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums Sold 

message: Remove those rumours about new album from the friend of Metallica members. It has no place in encyclopedia.
78.1.123.173 (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WAHHHHH WAAHHHHHHH WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! Boo Hoo. have a sook. you will probably never even go back on this page anyway. --Metal to the Max! 10:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Metal, please see WP:CIVIL. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry haha, woooops. I wasnt making any personal attack buddy, but i mean come on, some people are here to contribute and this joker just makes his little refference and he's not even a member. --Metal to the Max! 11:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours .... 

message: I mean iall it is, is some guys opinion and quote on one particular song, who cares, is does not do much for Metallicas Bio now does it. If i just made a small artical about my opinion on Master of Puppets then its not really the way to go. just take this in consitteration.--Metal to the Max! 10:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  is that last bit really worth it?? 

message: There have been rumours that whilst the band were going through a fairly drug induced phase in their career they experimented in their sexuality and adhered to the more masculine groupies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.177.184 (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backstage rumours 

message: That sounds way too dramatic for Wikipedia, in my opinion. Should we change it to "Death of Cliff Burton"? Thoughts? Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Changing. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That sounds better, as you said, Tragedy is a little much for wikipedia.--Metal to the Max! 09:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tragedy strikes Metallica" 

message: I'm placing this on GA Hold for seven days because the article needs more in-line citations. For example, these five sentences are unsourced. Where did this info come from? 
Ulrich talked to his friend Ron Quintana, who was brainstorming names for a fanzine. Quintana had proposed the names "Metal Mania" and "Metallica". Convincing him to use "Metal Mania", Ulrich used Metallica for the name of his band. A second advertisement was placed in The Recycler for a position as lead guitarist. Dave Mustaine answered, and after seeing his expensive guitar equipment, Ulrich and Hetfield recruited him.
Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure about this but I'm pretty sure I read that quote in Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal by Ian Christe. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The references are at the end of the paragraph,[1] i didn't want to have every sentence like this,[1] with the same reference being repeated.[1] M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That section is referenced; however, anyone feel like getting this 'Sound of the Beast' book to reference from it? I can take a trip to the library if need be. Master of Puppets Care to share? 01:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great if you could. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll phone around. Master of Puppets Care to share? 02:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I should point out that that book is not all correct, although many people around wikipedia use it as a source.  The sections about Metallica are fine, though.  Ian Christe just get a few genres totally wrong.  He gets the power metal genre totally fucked up, and he makes the speed metal genre pretty much the same thing as the thrash genre.  Other than that the book seems mostly accurate, although he sometimes mentions a band in the wrong genre. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The parts about Metallica are the only relevant parts right now anyways. Anyway, as far as I know I'm the only active editor with the book. WesleyDodds (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: My public library didn't have it, and it would take weeks to order, though I see that WesleyDodds has it under control... Master of Puppets Care to share? 07:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the book as well, but I'll leave wesleydodds to it. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in the book, so the source used should stand. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: GA Pass.  I think it satisfies the criteria at Wikipedia:What is a good article?. I enjoyed reading it and laughed at how often 'guitar technician John Marshall' would have to fill in - you should make a section just for him. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusion

message: Make sure there's not a fucking mistake in the second paragraph. And I'd love to fix it, but I can't.
"Metallica rose to fame with its 1991 Metallica album, and critics say the 1986 release Master of Puppets is one of the most influential and "heaviest" thrash metal albums. The ba..." They rose to fame with their 1981 album, self-titled Metallica. Please, for the love of God and Metallica, fix it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.0.200 (talk) 15:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm the only thing they had released in 1981 is demos. Metallica was released in 1991, thanks for your useful comment :) M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure it was locked for good reason and good faith, and if that stops unregistered users from fixing mistakes (which in this instance, isn't the case) then that's an unfortunate side effect as errors are never taken into consideration when they're protected. Rehevkor (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What error are you talking about? M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's being to big of a noob to understand that Metallica is also what fans call "The Black Album", like "The White Album" by The Beatles, that's not it's real name either, it's also a self-titled album, and it wasn't a debut album either, what a noob
Agreed, MOP was the album that made Metallica a worldwide band.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 13:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look, if you're going to Semi-Protect 

message: During that show in Montreal when James got burned they got a replacement rythem guitarist. Why don't they mention him? Loydd Grant didn't do anything ad they mention him. Scorpio777 (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean John Marshall... Him and the Montreal Incident are both mentioned in the Metallica 1990-1993 section. Funeral 00:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If John is mentioned in the Montreal Incident, should we mention Flemming too, replacing Lars during Download Festival 2003? Oh, I also changed the title of this section to "Rythm" instead of "Rythem". --Skehrkrow (talk) 13:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement Rhythm Guitarist 

message: The lead section of this article is too long, does not immediately establish notability (although that is certainly not in question!), and duplicates much of the content in the history section.  It should focus on why Metallica is such a popular and influential band and leave the history to later sections in the article.  Get the TOC above the fold!  Steve CarlsonTalk 01:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But why doesn't it have a single source? From WP:LEAD: "[The lead] should be carefully sourced as appropriate". Can't understand how this article has FA status with this kind of blunder. Grinder0-0 (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is sourced in the body. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly an excuse for not having a single source in its lead. "[-]there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads" - WP:LEAD. Grinder0-0 (talk) 11:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have sourced the sales figures. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: LOLLYD GRANT WAS NEVER IN METALLICA, HE PLAYED AS A TEMP ON THE METAL MASSACRE DEMO AND HIS SOLOS WERE LATER REMOVED AND REPLACED BY DAVE MUSTAINES, TAKE HIM OFF THE LIST!!!! He never recorded and album, never performed on stage just played two solos on a demo... he is not worth mentioning... Bob Rock is more of an ex-member of the band... he has written songs, recorded and produced with the band as well as playing live with them!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Grant was ever a member either, however does deserve a mention within the text. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 22:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Grant 

message: Congrats on bringing this article to FA-status. Medieval Man 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey 

message: I don't know about you guys, but I've read Metallica's autobiography, been a fan for as long as I can remember and can recall most of their history pretty well, but how come I've never heard of the name Mark Turczak? It's mentioned in the first paragraph that he was the first bassist and got kicked out for being gay... or something weird. Never heard of it - don't believe it. Either someone prove me wrong or that's just not true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archoran (talk • contribs) 21:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be simply vandalism. CloudNine (talk) 22:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Turczak? 

message: I dont understand this statement: "Newsted's bass was purposely turned down on the album as a part of the continuous "hazing" he received, and his musical ideas were ignored."  in the ...And Justice for All (1988–1990) section. It has "Some Kind of Monster feature film" as a source, but I didnt take a note about anything like this in the film. There is nothing about any hazing of Newsted in 1988-1990. Has anybody an explanation?--Lykantrop (Talk) 13:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, used the wrong source. It's corrected now with the Playboy interview. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The bass being turned down was not part of the hazing, it was more an effort to keep the bass more under control, get it to follow the drums. Lars Ulrich stated this in an interview, Cliff would be out in space with his bass, so they put a foot on Jason right from the start to prevent this from happening again. I am affirmative about this, unfortunately I no longer have the mag, and can't quote exactly when and where he said it. So just take this as an unconfirmed additional info to the "no bass on Justice issue". --Skehrkrow (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Not to mention that they simply were unhappy with overall production/engineering of the album and the bass-less sound they ended up with, which resulted in their "breakup" with longtime sound engineer Flemming Rasmussen. That was a major contributor to their decision to turn to Bob Rock for the next album. It's not like they intended Justice to eventually sound like that. I'd say that's "confirmed" considering they said so in roughly a million interviews since then. 91.33.248.205 (talk) 09:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsted hazing 

message: No, its not a song title. It's Stephen King story which mentions a deranged Metallica fan heading home from a concert. I'm gonna go search the internet to see if i can find a reference. Or we could just say its in the book, Everythings Eventual. Whatever.♠Д narchistPig♠ (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Road Virus Heads North 

message: How come Power Metal is listed? not even Metallica's website acknowledges that "demo"
205.118.119.223 (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Metal Demo???? 

message: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6191921.html
It's pretty much confirmed. Should we add this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insaneingus (talk • contribs) 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Hero: Metallica 

message: i think you can add them at the "Associated Acts" bar...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.108.119.253 (talk) 09:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Church 

message: "With over 95 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States" Metallica have sold over 100 million albums worldwide it even says on their website.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIKE2402 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: It should be noted that this one could be argued greatly. If you listen to thier first four albums, specifically Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All they have alot of unique arrangements and don't really follow the typical flow of a song. I think the genre should stay. That is just my opinion. Burningclean [speak] 08:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think progressive metal is a bad description of some of their stuff, but my opinion in most of these genre-arguments is the same - if you can cite the fact that reliable sources are calling them progressive metal, then there's no problem putting it in there. If not, it's original research and doesn't belong here. ~ mazca t | c 13:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BEFORE YOU REMOVE PROGRESSIVE METAL FROM THE GENRE LIST! 

message: Xskootafreek (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that doesn't make them an associated act.  65.189.210.173 (talk) 09:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  didnt metallica do a consert with slipknot? 

message: Metallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95!!! 100 millions has sold!!!!
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums Sold 

message: At the start, it says McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Kirk Hammett and Cliff Burton, respectively. RESPECTIVELY. Needs to be changed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpob5 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bass Players and Guitar players 

message: can someone add something about the Maiden cover,Death Magnetic Box set and second leg of the tour?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.229.150 (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maiden cover,Death in a coffin,second leg of the tour started 

message: Please, edit the very first line of the article.
It is a known fact that Metallica was formed in San Francisco. They moved to LA later on, having decided to get Cliff Burton on board, who was reluctant to leave Los Angeles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artrage (talk • contribs) 20:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica formed in San Francisco, not LA 

message: Lloyd Grant is a member.Did you read the book ``The truth about metallica``Binzisimpsons (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a gander at this link : no mention of Lloyd Grant. --Slyder Pilot 12:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Grant-member 

message: Article needs a double check as some of the text has been altered away from the citations given to include whiny-boy weasel words, personal pov and bloated album sales. The junk in the lead-in about 'going alternative' and 'selling out' isn't backed up by referenced text within the article and, again, is poorly written weasel text. The article should have a double-check done on all the given refs to see that they support the text they are supposed to be supporting. A review of this articles "Featured" status can be requested to have a more thorough scrutiny of its citations done since, for now anyways, its FA status is jeopardised by these WP:AWW/WP:NPOV vios which do not have references meeting WP:RS criteria to support them. Libs 13:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording not matching citations. FA status flimsy 

message: Why are there no direct mentions of Metallica's stand against piracy on this wiki page? I found only an obscure reference to Napster.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nincompoot (talk • contribs) 05:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica's crusade against piracy 

message: There was a 100 million for a couple of weeks, now there's a 90 millions sold worldwide, because a user said that on the section "leagacy and Influence" there were only 90. I checked the citation -Tallica LP and Limb Biskit to the sanitarium- and there only says 85 millions, if no official citation is shown with an updated number, then 90 millions will be reduced to 85 millions, which is the only official citation found, not counting the one on YouTube which is not reliable at all. Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 04:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The history behind the 85 to 90 is that if you check the date of the news release... it did not included sales for St Anger nor did it include the 1M increase noted by the RIAA for 2 other Metallica albums. These increases were discussed long ago and, at that time, it was a consensus decision that the band had legitimately sold at least 5M more albums since that press release so it was OK to post 90M on the main page because it was 85M + the agreed upon common sense mathematics. But since then no other legitmate reliable source has come along to allow us to increase the number beyond 90M.. although the page is trolled by many fanboys who try to balloon the sales because they are in love with the band. It won't be long before a legitimate 100M sales source comes along. But you are correct that the youtube video is not a reliable source. For worldwide sales there is no true/valid sales source. Especially in the article lead-in where it just reads like unencyclopedic peacocking. If we really strived to keep Wikipedia accyrate we wouldn't post that information at all. Even the list of best selling artists article is a crock of **** and one of the most embattled pages here. Wiki would be better of without it. The Real Libs-speak it 12:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums sold 

message: It's in, it's out, it's in, it's out. Is it an offensive genre? Clearly it describes more than half of the output from the bands 3 90s era studio albums. If anything I would question speed metal. Not that they didn't play it. but it describes about half of Kill 'em All and then... that's it. After that its thrash - thrash - thrash - heavy metal/hard rock - hard rock/heavy metal - hard rock/heavy metal - heavy metal - whatever Death Magnetic is. No speed metal after the first album but never any debate over it... hard rock prominent over three straight studio albums and it keeps getting turfed??? What is the issue again?? The Real Libs-speak politely 21:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, should speed metal be at the end of their genres, because as you said -and I agree with you- they only did speed on the first album, an example of over-use on speed is on bands like Megadeth, Slayer, also Judas... but Tallica was main thrash, then heavy, then hard/heavy. (~ 10% was speed) Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 06:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the debate over hard rock again? 

message: I think that the article could be covered on 3 paragraphs or 4 smaller ones, this lead is too long, the first one I see it unnecessary by mentioning the line-up changes which are perfectly covered throughout the whole article and on Metallica band members, this one could tell where they're from when the band was formed, and how many works have released to date (which appers on the last paragraph), this is the idea (Which needs improvement of course):
Metallica is an American heavy metal band that formed in 1981 in Los Angeles, California. The band has since released eight studio albums, two live albums, two EPs, twenty-two music videos, forty-two singles and has finished working on its upcoming ninth studio album, Death Magnetic. 
Metallica's early releases included fast tempos, instrumentals, and aggressive musicianship that placed them as one of the "Big Four" of the thrash metal subgenre alongside Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax. The band earned a growing fan base in the underground music community, and some critics say the 1986 release Master of Puppets is one of the most influential and "heavy" thrash metal albums. The band achieved substantial commercial success with its self-titled 1991 album, which debuted at number one on the Billboard 200. Some critics and fans believed the band changed its musical direction to appeal to the mainstream audience.  With the release of Load in 1996, Metallica distanced itself from earlier releases in what has been described as "an almost alternative rock approach", and the band faced accusations of "selling out".
In 2000, Metallica was among several artists who filed a lawsuit against Napster for sharing the band's copyright-protected material for free without the band members' consent. A settlement was reached, and Napster became a pay-to-use service. Despite reaching number one on the Billboard 200, the release of St. Anger in 2003 disappointed some critics and fans with the exclusion of guitar solos, and the "steel-sounding" snare drum. A film titled Some Kind of Monster documented the recording process of St. Anger.
Metallica has become one of the most commercially successful and influential heavy metal acts. With 90 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States, the band has won seven Grammy Awards, and has had four albums peak at number one on the Billboard 200.
PD: The lead looks even larger next to the artist infobox template, seriously, this needs to be fixed up. Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 04:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead is too long 

message: In the Death Magnetic section the final sentence 
"It is currently unconfirmed whether Metallica or Warner Bros. will be taking any action against the retailer, though drummer Lars Ulrich who has made such responses to the leak as, "…We're ten days from release. I mean, from here, we're golden. If this thing leaks all over the world today or tomorrow, happy days. Happy days. Trust me,"[65] and, "By 2008 standards, that's a victory. If you'd told me six months ago that our record wouldn't leak until 10 days out, I would have signed up for that."[66]"
contains the phrase "who has made such responses to the leak as..." as if there were more info after the quotations but when the clause is finished nothing else is said. This could be remedied by removing the word 'who'. I know I'm probably coming off like the grammar police but hopefully someone with a high school education knows what I'm talking about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.145.164.102 (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence just trails off..... 

message: Reading the news today, I knew this would come up . . .
Ok, the announcemnt that Metallica has been nominated for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should not be included on this page. This is because artists can be nominated repeatedly (two notable examples are Black sabbath and the Stooges); this is just the shortlist until they pick the inductees for this year. Only include mention of their induction when they finally make it in to the Hall. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame news 

message: Since this is an international site and not everyone is fluent in English i believe that the word SKIT, present in the section "Napster controversy (2000–2001)" more precisely in the 5th paragraph of that section should be linked to one of the pages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketch_comedy -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skit - or, if not, replaced by the word SKETCH which is more commonly know to define a comedy scene/act.
Not truly a Metallica issue but, hey, my contribution to a great page. tx Mestrini (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal link for a definition 

message: I think that they are good enough and have a good enough article to have their own wikiproject. I mean, if Slipknot and Trivium get one, shouldn't the extremely influential Metallica? What does everyone else think? I don't know how to start a wikiproject.Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Metallica? 

message: I don't think Panic needs to be included on the associated acts, Exodus is way more related because Hammet's been the guitarist for more than 25 years or so. Panic does't have info about the band, it's not substantial enough either, i'll withdraw it, if anyone doesn't think it should be taken off, then please leave a  template on my talkpage to let me knowabout it. Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 04:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Panic (band)]] 

message: Watch this and then tell if Metallica started in San Fransisco or LA. Kirk Hammett get thrashed. Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 04:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did it really start? 

message: There should be added a music sample from death magnetic in the section "musical style" to show the band's return to thrash metal. Rockk3r    Spit it Out! 15:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My Apocalypse maybe.--Deathmagnetic08 (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say "Broken Beaten Scarred"- I think it shows more of the speed that is prevalent in that album. AlanZhan (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Sample 

message: The lead states that Metallica is the only band to have five consecutive number one albums, but according to various Beatles album pages, Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, and The Beatles were all number ones, and I have them as consecutive.  Is it my mistake?  If you count Magical Mystery Tour (arguments either way) that makes it six straight #1's.  I say take out the assertion that Metallica is the only band to do so, because I'm sure others can be found. Kaiguy (talk) 06:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I just checked out Elton John.  Honky Chateau through Rock of the Westies makes six consecutive Billboard #1's. Kaiguy (talk) 06:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. That last bit should probably go. The ref that's there doesn't really do anything either. --Bongwarrior (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I've removed it, but I left the ref that was there. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Big question here though, did all of those albums DEBUT at number one?....Arch stanton1138 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked the Beatles albums, none of them debuted at number one...Arch stanton1138 (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Five consecutive #1's 

message: Some book sources say the ad was place in 1980, not 1981. Any chance of getting a copy of the ad and the correct date of the advertisement? -- Suntag ☼ 14:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Recycler and Metallica 

message: There's no shortage of people to help promote a rock or metal band's article to featured article status. Yet when I ask for even a little bit of help on a country music article, this place becomes a ghost town. Can someone please help me? It's impossible to write an FA all by yourself, you know... Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there are people to help, but this isn't really the place to ask. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complain, complain... 

message: Anyone have any info on this album? Here's a link to a site that has the cover, and track list. I just find it curious is all. Crash Underride 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: bootleg. The photo is from Garage Inc. I believe, I've never heard of it myself either. Rehevkor ✉ 20:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to add this pic from the same time.  It's funny as crap!!!! Crash Underride 20:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica - The Golden Unplugged Album 

message: that looks like a bootleg to me, so a couple things come to mind.....a) should that be listed in the Metallica template?, and b)if it is a bootleg, should that article be deleted?.......Arch stanton1138 (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 1/2 year live EP...... 

message: Talking about having no basis. Leper Messiah might be able to be included in such a category, but that's it for Metallica. Wikipedia you've done it again!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.148.21 (talk) 00:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "religious hypocrisy"? 

message: I think that they should mention somewhere that Metallica was nominated to be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 2009..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KronicAssault (talk • contribs) 16:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should, do you happen to remember the place you saw that information so we can easily cite it?--Alf melmac 16:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 

message: Echobrain should be in that list. It's just like having Megdeth on there, Dave Mustain was able to start Megadeth because of his tenure in Metallica, and his tenure was only a year. Jason Newsted was able to start Echobrain also because of tenure in Metallica which lasted 14 years. I think that sounds fair. MiTfan3 (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Echobrain in associated acts 

message: A list of songs used for acoustic torture in Guantanamo has recently been leaked. It includes "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. According to German newspaper 'tageszeitung' ('taz'), Metallica have approved this:
Die Gruppe ließ wissen, sie sei "stolz", am "Krieg gegen den Terror" teilnehmen zu dürfen.
The band declared they were "proud" to be allowed to take part in the "war on terror".
Any primary source for the exact statement? --JensMueller (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I looks rather sus to me, not that I can read German. This suggests the quote to be from 2004, the full quote from that link also seems to say Hetfield was suggesting Metallica was a death metal band.. I dunno. Rehevkor ✉ 03:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, just found this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo Rehevkor ✉ 03:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acoustic torture in Guantanamo - comments of the band 

message: I have known of Metallica my whole 24 years. I grew up in the San Francisco bay area. From what I know of Metallica, their hometown is San Francisco. I just recently went to the Oakland show on December 20. They called it their hometown show. So I would like to see you guys change where they found the band, and their origin. Thank you.
Brad  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcrosat (talk • contribs) 20:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica's Origin. 

message: The progressive metal group Dream Theater recorded a cover of the full "Master of Puppets" album- https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=7&idproduct=16
Tried to add it, but someone has this page protected and I'm not familiar enough to unprotect it to add a legitimate piece of information.
Jamrhein (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition to "Legacy & Influence" 

message: how is metallica hard rock there thrash metal and speed metal (Seth4000 (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Black album, Load, ReLoad, Garage Inc., etc The Real Libs-speak politely 16:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  hard rock? 

message: I'm a bit surprised neither this nor the James Hetfield article mentions the feud with Axl Rose that started when footage from A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica
emerged of Hetfield making fun of Axl's rider (the list of demands for an artist on tour) and Axl accused James of being racist for refusing to have Body Count on tour with them and James dissed Guns N' Roses in a 1993 Rolling Stone interview. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 07:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feud with Axl Rose 

message: I commented out  because there is no fair-use rationale for its use in the article. Someone with knowledge of this band needs to provide such a rationale before reinstating the image. CIreland (talk) 09:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free image 

message: Always I see that it says heavy metal, when all fans (including me) know that their stylr is almost only thrash metal... so I really think it has to be thrash, not heavy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josesupapi (talk • contribs) 02:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead should be general. Thrash metal is really specific. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 06:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Metallica is more thrash than heavy metal...