Talk:Ori (Stargate)

message: :* As yet, the greatest success of the Auri in the Milky Way has been the conversion of Gerak, head of the Free Jaffa Nation, to Origin and his transformation into a Prior.
:Changed to:
:*With the conversion of Gerak to Origin, and his transformation into a Prior, the Ori potentially gain a foothold in the Free Jaffa Nation.
:It is as yet unclear what might happen and what the attitudes of the Council and the Free Jaffa towards Gerak's new composture might be. Speculation calls for civil war and the use of the Jaffa's military forces by the Ori. Let's wait with thrilling anticipation until nov 9th. Why don't the make cliffhangers like this on Atlantis? -- Zanaq 17:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerak's conversion 

message: Isnt using Alteran to contrast against Ori incorrect because the Ori are a subset of the Alterans. Shouldnt Ancients be used because Ancients is the specific name of the Gatebuilders of our galaxy, and the builders of Atlantis. Aside from all of that the use of Alteran is largely speculative, within and outside of the show.
: in that logic using Gate Builders or Ancestors would be equaly appropriate, Alterran is the what they call themselves. Carterhawk 02:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't Ancients refer to the group, with Alterans and Ori being sub-sets of the group?  (much as during the Civil War, Americans was the large group with Northerners and Southerners being the sub-sets of the group.)  Dr. Jackson has been heard stating that the Ori are at war with the Alterans...maybe they used to be a sect of Alterans, but now they are at war with them. --Tim4christ17 15:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alterans  . . . 

message: I think we should merge the article "Flames of Enlightenment" with this article since the Flames are the Ori themself. Diabound00 09:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is merely speculation. Zanaq 12:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Plus, how many times do you hear "Flames of Enlightenment" on the show versus "Ori"? I think we have the article centered around the right concept. ~ Ross (ElCharismo) 20:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Prior (Stargate)#Flames of Enlightenment|Flames of Enlightenment]] 

message: Why do we have "For other uses, see Ori (disambiguation)"? I don't think you can possibly get on this page by accident in case you're not looking for the stargate ones.Cristan
::edit: It has been fixed :-). Cristan 08:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses 

message: This recently happened -- massive trimming -- and i was wondering if any of you feel this should be reverted. pay attention to the edit summary. -- Alfakim --  talk  15:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was discussed (although briefly) on WT:WPSG. If there is anything I cut out that you think should be included in the summary, please add it back, but if we're going to have a main article on it, we shouldn't have more than a paragraph as summary. --Tango 18:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who asked for that.  Mabe it shouldn't have been quite so massive, but the section as it was was rediculous.  Any deleted info that we feel is important should probably be added to the O+ri tech page, not this one.  Tobyk777 20:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  about major change 

message: I will remove the Latin phrases from Orici's article for reasons i have mentioned at adria article. And by the way, how do you know Merlin is not an Ori?89.32.1.82 12:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the show clearly says "Merlin was an Ancient" (that's a direct quote from "Avalon"), and Ancient and Ori are two different things, so he can't be an Ori. Clear now? --Tango 14:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: How do people know that Merlin was an ancient and NOT an Ori?  Because the same actor which plays Merlin/Myrddin is the same actor that played the Ancient counsel member Moros in the episode "Before I Sleep".  He's also listed in the Ancients article, under Known Ancients, as Moros/Myrddin/Merlin (by me of course).  Aarlin81 20:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any reason to believe Moros is Merlin other than them having the same actor? If not, I suggest listing them separately in the known ancients page, and just commenting that they are played by the same guy. --Tango 22:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of IPs have been adding incorrect info to the Ancient and Ori articles lately.  How could someone be involved with SG enough to write about it, but yet be not involved enough to understand it.  That's beyond me.  Nevertheless, I think we should ask for semiprotection on both pages.  Tobyk777 23:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are enough of us watching them to revert anything that needs it. I don't think it's worth semi-protection.  There are IPs making good edits to them too. --Tango 00:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Is there any information to support that Moros is Merlin/Myrddin?  Sorry but that's a Season 10 spoiler buddy.  Here's a hint though.....The Pegasus Project.  SHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh....  If anyone wants to edit out that sentence about which episode go right ahead.  All of my edits are signed, well most are.  Aarlin81 01:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moros is Merlin, they were the same actor.  Also, Merlin was stated to have been an anceint who returned from Atlantis.  I think it is assumed that they are the same.  (Another assumption like this was when SG-1 found a puddle jumper and Oneil used it to destroy a hatak.  They never said it was a puddle jumper but it was obvious it was the same ship.  This is the same type of thing.)  Although unclear, watchers who have paid close atention based on the clues already stated here I think should have been able to figure out the Moros was Merlin.  Tobyk777 05:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until it's specifically stated on the show, that's still speculation. A puddle jumper is obviously a puddle jumper, but various actors have appeared on the show as different characters. (Generally, wearing different makeup, but not always). That they're played by the same actor should definately be mentioned, but you can't say they're the same person. If the spoilers for The Pegasus Project (That's this Friday's episode of SG-1, yes?) specifically say Moros is Merlin, then that can be said in the article, but it can't be stated as fact until Friday. --Tango 14:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, OK, let's get this out of the way.  TOLD YA SO!!!  Amazingly, I figured out the connection LONG BEFORE any spoilers were ever written for Season 10.  Hell, I made that little contribution (to the Ancients article) early in Season 9, baby.  Although, I did kinda think (very early on) that Morgan le Fay would turn out to be Melia.  You remember Melia right?  She was the holographic greeting in the pilot episode and the [asian] female counsel member in "Before I Sleep".  OK, I'm all done.  Aarlin81 02:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing Latin phrases

message: To start with (rather: keep talking about it), there is this from the Fourth Horseman:
The Ori name for the Milky Way galaxy appears to be Avernakis as it was stated by the prior Demaris.
--FlammingoParliament 00:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed that statement from the Fourth Horseman article, it looks like a misinterpretation of the quote to me. The Prior says: "But the hatred of those who strayed from the true path festered and bloomed in the dark corners of the Avernikas to which they had been cast!" Which isn't necessarily referring to a galaxy. --Tango 12:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two spellings: Avernikas (apparently a norwegian church, says google) and avernakis (no non-Stargate word?) So, just an obscured Latin word for some allegory? -FlammingoParliament 14:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The made up Stargate word could have shared etymology with the Norwegian word, but it doesn't really matter. It's just a random quote from the Book of Origin, it I doubt it means much of importance. --Tango 18:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way the word is used makes it seem more like a name for the universe, like "cosmos" or some sort of thing. --Sauron18 20:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just read somewhere that Joe Mallozzi (one of TPTB) said that Avernkias does more or less mean "universe". I read it in the Stargate Solutions wiki, which I trust, but I'll try to find the source anyways. Either way it's not that important to this article, since it's just ancient language. --Sauron18 20:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names - Galaxies and groups 

message: It is not known how large both groups are, although the deadlock in strength between the Ancients and the Ori would suggest the two groups are roughly the same size. [1]
:I disagree: The episode Origin doesnt confirm that. And on the other hand, the Alterans are reluctant to use their power to interfere although others have abused their Ascension powers. The only reason Oma Desala attacked Anubis was because she had taken a responsibility when she helped him ascend, but the Ori ascended on their own acount. There might be just two Ori (for the plural), they would already have the power to do all that. And the others cannot fight them due to their non-interference policy.--FlammingoParliament 10:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an easy question to answer. Orlin answers it for us in "Fourth Horseman."  The Ori do not ascend their followers, therefore, I think its safe to assume that there is more Alteran Group Ascended beings. However, I do think there is a deadlock between them because the Ori have an entire Galaxy of power producing Humans feeding them. Less Ori, but gets more power from Humans,  More Alterans, because they ascend people good and worthy, but they dont feed of the energy of lowers.  Its basically like this   Less ori = -1  feeds of energy = +1, More Alterans = +1  but no feeding of energy = -1   the equation works out like this in estimate ( -1-1+1+1= 0)  They are currently canceling eachother out. If the Ori manage to get another galaxy of support/power from lowers, then its likely they will have 2x +1's and will be a step ahead of the Alterans. Baaleos 12:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stated quite late, but ok. The above comment can be considered correct. the "Step ahead" is also the exact reason why the Ori wanted to conquer the Milky Way, it was even said so. (not sure which character though). 195.109.63.17 (talk) 07:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  size of the Ori group 

message: This article is heavily biased towards the views of SGC in terms of what is a god (what else is a god but a powerful being, vs how they use that power). I know its only fiction, but it would be good to see both views, like all Wikipedia articles. 211.30.64.67 07:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was written using all information within the Stargate SG-1 show. It is obvious that the show is biased against the Ori and so that is how the article must be written. --K1000 17:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just out of curiosity, Is god not described as the creator of man? If so, then it has been shown in the show that the Alterans created all life in the milky way galaxy with the Dar'Kara superweapon. Why not worship them as gods, if by all definitions, they are "the Creator"
Same for the Ori, they created all Human life in their galaxy presumably.Baaleos 12:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Their are many definitions for 'god', and being a creator is normally not one of them. Most people attribute humanity's creation to a god or gods, but it doesn't follow that just creating a species makes one a god.  A sloppy example would be, if we perfected human cloning and certain area's of genetics, in 100 years it may be possible for us to create a new species, but I wouldn't say that when it happens we'll be gods. Also, if we were talking about one all powerful God, then a requisite for that being to be God would mean it would have to be eternal and all powerful. 
Also, the Ori and the Ancients technically are not 'all powerful' because one can stop the other from doing a specific action.  That is why there cannot be more than one all powerful being in existence, because they would limit each other's power, rendering them not all powerful.  Guldenat 14:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Excuse me for being ignorant as I have not seen every episode, but I was under the impression that the Ori had not actually accomplished ascension. I believe that Orlin said this in "The Fourth Horseman (Part 2)". I am pretty sure that he said to the captured prior that no Ori had successfully ascended. Maybe he just said that no follower of the Ori had ascended. Could someone clear this up for me? --K1000 17:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He said, the Ori never ascended anyone. They were talking about whether the promises of the Ori would ever be fulfilled, and Orlin says, no, they would have to share (the power delivered by the belief of their followers).-FlammingoHey 17:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: All of that is regarding the ascension of their followers. The Ori themeselves are certainly ascended. --Sauron18 20:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ori are ascended? 

message: To be honest, the ORI havent used any powers in their own galaxy, to our knowledge, that wasnt just a power that a semi Ascended Anubis was allowed to use.
Anubis was allowed to take over hosts, his symbiote when he was unascended would have done the same thing, So far, all we have seen of the Ori's power was posession, maybe Vala's impregnating could stand out. But all in all, I think the Alteran group is outnumbering the Ori, and the Ori, even in another galaxy, are submissive to the Alterans until the day when they get enough power to fight them. Thats why the Ori arnt totally abusing their powers in their own galaxy. Ascention gives the person knowledge of the universe, why would their powers be limited to a single galaxy, why would the alterans prevent them from using their ascended powers in the Milky Way and not their home galaxy?
Alot of this is just questions, but so far, it doesnt seem like the Ori are that powerful.
Omah Desala was allowed to call bolts of lightning down to kill Jaffa, ending their lives, and I doubt she ascended any of them. Interferance, wouldnt the Ori be allowed to do this in their own galaxy, if so, why have we not seen it? Maybe the Alterans are preventing them? Think I confused myself in this article.... Lol Baaleos 15:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One could argue that they did use their powers, through the form of sending priors. The real problem as I've understood it, was that the Ori couldn't enter the lesser plain of existence (or were prevented maybe) and thus they use the Priors that essentially wield Ori powers. I believe this subject was explained at some point that the modification of the humans who become priors is required in order for them to use the 'magical' powers to force non-believers to submit to the will of Origin. 195.109.63.17 (talk) 07:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ori Powers 

message: So for the longest time the SG1 has never really explained the connection between those who would later become the Ori and the Ancients.  According to "The Ori: A New Enemy" documentary (Disc 1 Season 10 Special Features) the Ancients and the Ori are the same race; the Altera (note: Altera is how the race is mentioned in Merlin's book Daniel found).  That's right folks.  They are BOTH Alterans.  However, the show never made this clear.  Rather it simply stated that they "lived together" and other such nonsense.  As such both articles (and the talk pages) seem to be based largely on fan speculation.  Both articles refer to them as the Alterans and the Ori rather than "those who would become the Ancients and the Ori".  Thoughts?    TheDevilYouKnow 19:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference, once they say "the other [ascended] beings" before the Ori appeared in the series and opposed only to the speaker (which had been said only by Oma Desala and Daniel), after that, the term "others", latinized as altera, was used for the "other group of ascended beings", opposed to the Ori, meaning "ascended humans other than the Ori". Before, all were human in the (now) Ori galaxy; that's all explained by Orlin in the Fourth Horseman! --FlammingoHey 10:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SERIOUS WORK NEEDED to Alteran, Ancient and Ori articles (many misconceptions around

message: What's going on with this section? It's just all over the place and makes what appears to be personal inferences. For example, the first sentence correctly states that Ori technology is similar to that of Ancient technology but then goes on to say that this makes it more advanced than any other race in the universe, it also places emphasis on Nox technology for some reason. First of all, we know almost nothing about Nox technology so we can't compare anyone to them at this point. Second, it has been proven that the Ancients are not the ultimate technologically advanced race and they do not, by any measurement, outrank every other race in every field of technology. There have been numerous debates but it is very evident that the Ancients share the highest level of technological advancement with the Asgard. Again, we haven't seen too much Nox technology so we really can't say what's going on with them but the Asgard definitely give the Ancients a run for their money in terms of technology. The wording of this paragraph is also too staggered and relatively confusing. Rajrajmarley (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thor's comment about the Ancient database (while it was in O'Neill's brain, beginning of Season 8, I think) would suggest that Ancient technology was more advanced than Asgard. --Tango (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it was in part 2 of New Order at the beginning of Season 8. Thor did say that they learned a lot from the Ancient database but there is actual evidence in the series that the Asgard have surpassed the Ancients in many fields. See this discussion for further detail. Rajrajmarley (talk) 01:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What we may have to remember here is that the Asgard lived in 'real time' relative to when SG-1 made frequent trips through the stargate. The Alterans lived as 'humans' long before this time. Asgards may have surpassed Alteran technology, but for a very long period of time, the Ancients were unparallelled. Note that at this point Ancient also includes Ori. It was explained actually in SG-Atlantis, Alterans were the highest technologically advanced (maybe not by much) from any KNOWN race in the SG universe. The Ori hoped to overpower them though their powers, not technology and the Wraith beat them because of numbers. 195.109.63.17 (talk) 08:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technology section 

message: I am a little new to Wikipedia but I have a Stargate/Ori-related question: Will the Ori try to convert non-human races, like Serrakin or Unas? (I saw an episode where they invade a Jaffa world and try to convert them but thet does'nt help since they are a human subspecies) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.134.43 (talk) 
:Purely speculative, but I would think... if they can acquire more power through these races, they would. How they'd do it I'm not sure but they could.195.109.63.17 (talk) 08:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alien Races 

message: In case someone is wondering why this page is a little messy and why much of the former information is being removed from the article: I have started to write an encyclodic article about this interesting topic with the intention to make this a Good Article one day. As such, this article is not allowed to contain original research including analysis and speculation on the viewers part. Excessive plot is also a big no-no. Generally, the Manual of Style for fiction needs to meet (as should all other fiction articles on wikipedia). But rewriting this article will take time (think weeks), so please bear with me. If you are looking for an in-universe outlet, please visit wikia:Stargate:Ori, a fan wiki that can always need help. If you want to save something from the old version of this article here and transwiki it to wikia, please use this link (before I touched this article). Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 20:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul of this page 

message: Did they reveal the home galaxy of the Ancients / Ori, in one of the SGU featurettes?
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1666/index.html
The galaxy shown behind Jackson on the monitor when he speaks about the original home galaxy is :image:M33.jpg the Triangulum Galaxy.
76.66.193.224 (talk) 11:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the Ancients/Ori 

message: This article needs more non-plot information. If anyone should be inclined to work on that, here are some secondary sources to use which came up in the deletion discussion:
*The Essential Science Fiction Television Reader has a chapter comparing the Ori and the Ancients
*The Emancipation of the Soul analyses the metaphorical significance of the Ori as a science-fiction trope and more
*Science Fiction Experiences comments on the Ori from the view-point of the TV watcher
*And there are a number of shorter appearances in secondary sources, e.g. , , 
Daranios (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary sources