Talk:Shikata ga nai

message: related?
:No, "yare yare" is a lot closer to "good grief" (like Charlie Brown). --Jediknil (23:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: yare yare

message: It's unbelievable to me that an article of this quality and importance is being considered for deletion.  A quick Google search shows that the literary and historical associations have given this phrase a life of its own in American English, and Wikipedia is the first place someone will come to look for factual information about the phrase when encountering it for the first time.  Tag the article to further cite the relevance of the phrase, if you must.  But deleting it would improve Wikipedia how, exactly?  This is historical, literary, and cultural information that people have an interest in seeking, and it has a right to exist on Wikipedia.  Deletionism is just out of control.  RBalder (talk) 01:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Strong Keep

message: Why 仕方がない/shikata ga nai, versus 仕方ない/shikata nai or 仕方がありません/shikata ga arimasen?
"Shikata ga nai" is a mixture of formal and informal; it's by far less common in both spoken and written Japanese. People almost always either say "shikata ga arimasen" (12.6 million results on Google) when being formal or shikata nai (14.6 million results on Google) when being informal. Compare that to "shikata ga nai"--4.7 million results.
If this article is truly worth having, you'd think it would be about the form Japanese people actually -use-.Sailoralea (talk) 17:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Good point. Actually, Emperor Shōwa said "やむを得ない/Yamu wo enai", instead of "Shikata ga nai". Then I'd like to point out that this article has misleading sentences. Please note that they are similar but different languages. Japanese language has so many words that mean similar to "Shikata ga nai". Greenware001 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 03:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why "Shikata ga nai" versus..

message: I was very happy to see KSR's Mars trilogy included in this section, as "shikata ga nai" is not just causally mentioned but forms a strong theme of the books. -- 203.82.91.156 (talk) 03:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary references 

message: The name is appropriate since the polymorphic encoding means there is no hope of antivirus products detecting malicious code encoded using this method.[8]
That reference doesn't say that, nor is it true.  Malware is more easily detected when it uses shikata_ga_nai, now the AV can just look for the decoder.  It might make the malware harder to identify.
And this all seems out of place in this article.
585ad205105278a06716f2ebe4c82c92 (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metasploit reference 

message: Is there a way to prevent this? People hear of a phrase from another culture and they think people have that attitude frequently. You learn that "schadenfreude" is German, and you think German people frequently experience it. You learn that "shikata (ga) nai" is a set phrase in Japan, and you think Japanese people frequently use it. But the subdued panic in Japan in reaction to coronavirus, like the panic buying of toilet paper that we see in so many other countries (or the obsession with iodine supplements after the Fukushima nuclear disaster), is not symptomatic of an attitude that "nothing can be done". 23.121.191.18 (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preventing misrepresentation of Japanese culture 

message: Example from Under the Blood-red Sun, about Japanese ethnic people in Hawaii during WWII:  
* This is already in the article, I did not review it fully: From Farewell to Manzanar: 
23.121.191.18 (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do English-language, Japanese examples belong in the article? 

message: would be a translation in American English. -- llywrch (talk) 00:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is what it is