Talk:Horst Köhler

message: He is more of an high ranking Goverment Official than a politican meaning to my knowledge he was never elected to any office but instead hold high offices to where you get appointed to.
:Maybe "senior civil servant" would be better, then. Any other possible wordings? –Hajor 19:21, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between election and appointment is that one person appoints, but a collection of votes from different persons elect. And, yes, the President is a politician. The English neither vote for their Head of State. If we are friendly, we remember such persons as Adenauer and call the Federal Assembly a piece of conclavism in light form (the words "habemus praesidentem" have been coined already); of course, there are negotiations, but there is also a free and secret vote (the latter is usually not the case in the Bundestag, when voting about laws).--93.133.204.189 (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Following text was twice removed from the article. I think it is relevant, but if you don't like the historical background, I disagree with the false statements, so I am going to cut the text to minimum. Either true background or basic info. 
He was born as the seventh of eight children into a family of Germans from Glückstal in Romanian Bessarabia, who were settled in the village of Skierbieszów, Zamosc County, Eastern Poland in 1942 in the course of collonisation effort planned in Generalplan Ost. His parents had left Bessarabia during Nazi-Soviet population transfers 1940 that followed its annexations to Soviet Union on the conditions of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. His family later fled to Leipzig, and in 1953 they fled to Ludwigsburg in Baden-Württemberg.
If somebody wants to learn more:
Sources for the Fall of German populations in the East Cautious 12:08, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Parents of Horst Köhler, German settlers in Poland

message: I have reverted the article to the last edit by Cautious.  Now Burschenschafter, if you're reading this: my rejection of your edit has nothing to do with you personally, or with my agreement or disagreement with the sentiments you expressed.  I am personally ambivalent about them.  What concerns me is the neutrality of the article.  Wikipedia policy calls for all articles to be written from a Neutral Point of View.  What you wrote could be construed as bias.  To say that his parents "had to leave" Bessarabia when the Soviets annexed it is untrue: there are still ethnic Germans living there today.  It may not be nice for them, and I'm sure it wasn't nice in the 1940s for Germans who stayed there, but leaving WAS a choice, not an obligation.  Therefore, I have reverted it.  I notice, however that you have improved the grammar.  I'm going to go over it in a moment to preserve the grammatical corrections you made.  Thanks for those!David Cannon 11:44, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion

message: To say he was narrowly elected might be true, still he was elected in the first ballot which cannot be taken for granted. Perhaps someone reword it. --Akkolon 08:19, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  narrowly elected 

message: Can someone speak to this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.67.78 (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Language Skills 

message: Is it ok with the author to delete the passage:
"Köhler now is very popular in Germany because of his frankness."
because there is no evidence underlining this statmenet. Vice versa: Köhler isn't very popular at all in germany. And he can't be described by "frankness". In the way he represents himself in public he is a donnish and a cold technocrat.
:"Köhler isn't very popular at all in germany."
:And there is evidence for this statement? I don't see how any of these contrary statements is any more valid than the other. You critizise the lack of evidence, but you don't provide any source that supports your statement, either.
:"Donnish" and "cold technocrat" are attributes which may reflect your personal opinion. 62.152.162.1 (talk) 00:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible corrections 

message: The article claimed: Köhler laid down his membership in the CDU during presidency as precedent requires.
There is no such precedent. Further, article 55 Basic Law defines what a president may be and what not. Party membership is allowed. Additionally, the German web page does not mention that. Instead, it lists him in the category member of CDU '-Zickzack 13:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most presidents seem to let their party membership rest during the presidency (Brockhaus says all, but there are claims that Heinemann didn't, I'm not sure). In a way, their party affiliation doesn't count while they are president. Perhaps we should explain that in a footnote, especially if we can get information about the status of Köhler's CDU membership from a reliable source? Kusma (討論) 17:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brockhaus need not constitute proof, yet Das Parlament says the same. So, I think Köhler should be listed as a party member (CDU) in both template and article -- together with a reference, as you propose, saying that he lets the membership rest during presidency. -- Zz 12:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's rubbish!! There is no legal requirement of a President quitting his party. The only case I know positively is President Weizsäcker, who simply made his membership dormant but didn't quit. I never heard of Presidents Herzog or Rau quitting their memberships, so there is no precedent. Anyway, precedent would be irrelevant in German law. Oh, and Wikipedia cannot be a source for Wikipedia. Not even the German one (which actually states clearly that he is a CDU politician). Str1977 (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Your first statement is false and unsourced. Your second is irrelevant as yes, he was nominated by CDU, CSU and FDP at this 2nd election. He was nominated by CDU and CSU at his first. That doesn't make him a member of all these parties - he has only ever been a member of the CDU. If you have a source for him quitting his party (which of course is possible but not required by anyone), bring it on. Str1977 (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CDU membership 

message: The amount of vandalism that has been conducted on this page is why people do not allow wikipedia to be used as a credible source. I wish that this be locked until the sheer amount of vandalism is undone, which could take a long time, and remain locked so that such acts of vandalism do not occur. I have taken steps today to help alleviate the problems, but I know very little about this man the sheer volume of material needed to be fixed is daunting.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kesselring88 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow... just wow 

message: At the election in 2004, Horst Köhler was just the candidate of the Christian Democrats! Not of the liberal FDP!
At the election in 2009, he was the common candidate of the Christian Democrats and the FDP! Thats a difference! Please change this!Thanks! --Sulzbeach (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  candidate of the CDU/CSU  

message: Jens Börnsen is according to the German Grundgesetz the new acting President and thus the successo of Köhler. He is, however, only taking over the rights and obligations of the President, not the title. -- Chtrede (talk) 13:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successor 

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