Talk:System Shock 2

message: "The community at Sshock2, a fan site, have also released a free level editor entitled ShockEd.[54]"
ShockEd was given to the community by Irrational Games, it's the editor the game was developed with. It comes with a license by Irrational. The way it's written now, it sounds as if fans wrote the editor. (Kolya 213.196.203.248 (talk) 06:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a matter of truth. The original source also covers the notability aspect of the editor. Fansites are rarely reliable sources however, and should not be relied on. As it was written it didn't imply Sshock2 made the editor anyway. I have rewritten to it somewhat, also removed neutral point of view issues, but it still requires a non fan site source, perhaps you could find one, as I was unable to, the FAQ one doesn't really explain enough to be of use. I ask you not to simply revert if you have issues with it, please discuss it here. Rehevkor ✉ 16:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level editor origin 

message: Interesting article about the game: http://irrationalgames.com/insider/what-might-have-been/ Maybe it could be incorporated into the development section? --Mika1h (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: Anyone else find this article all but unreadable now due to the dozens of reference links shotgunned throughout it? Most hard science articles here don't have that many links! Clayhalliwell (talk) 03:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is how every article of any quality is written, everything must be sourced, and this is most commonly done via inline citations, see Wikipedia:CITE#Inline_citations. Rehevkor ✉ 03:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on a random perusal of Good Articles, no, this isn't how they're written. Yes, citations and references are important, but this article reads as if it were written by the sort of editor who'd put [citation needed] after "System Shock 2 is a game." Clayhalliwell (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You've obviously been very selective in which articles you've looked at, because yes, that is how they are written. If you are opposed to inline citations then I suggest starting a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources, good luck! Rehevkor ✉ 14:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreadable 

message: "PC Gamer UK expanded these rumors further, stating the team behind The Godfather was charged with its creation. Ken Levine, when asked whether he would helm a third installment, replied "that question is completely out of my hands." [...] As of January 2010, nothing conclusive has been reported regarding the status of the purported project."
Is this still notable? The 'team behind the Godfather' are surely EA Redwood Shores, which makes it almost certain that this supposed 'System Shock 3' project was science-fiction horror shoot-em-up 'Dead Space' and that there was simply some kind of miscommunication?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.229.61 (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Plausible, definite similarities in the games. Perhaps some reliable sources have brought it up. Rehevkor ✉ 00:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  System Shock 3 'status' 

message: While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print preview material for this game:
*Computer Games Magazine Preview
*Computer Games Magazine Preview
*PC Gamer US Preview
*PC Gamer UK Preview
One or more print reviews for this game may also be found in the archive. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 05:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference material 

message: The "Platform(s)" field of the Infobox includes "Dreamcast (canceled)".  If the port of the PC version to Dreamcast was cancelled before release, why is it even listed in the Infobox?
ProResearcher (talk) 02:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Infobox VG states "The console or operating system the game was released for," so I removed it as it was never released on that platform.  Is this source really usable? Doesn't go into any detail, seems to just be a database entry. Gives no background on the development or cancellation. Rehevkor ✉ 11:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Just sayin'. --Niemti (talk) 22:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it needs attention. What if we work on it for FAC? — ΛΧΣ21™ 00:51, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SHODAN]] article needs attention, and work 

message: *http://www.gamespot.com/features/the-greatest-games-of-all-time-system-shock-2-6130956/
*http://web.archive.org/web/200102042117/http://rpgvault.ign.com/features/specials/awards99.shtml
*http://web.archive.org/web/20010322221254/http://www.gamespot.com/features/1999/p2_02.html
*http://web.archive.org/web/20010322221439/http://www.gamespot.com/features/1999/p2_03.html 
*http://web.archive.org/web/20010609222948/http://www.gamespot.com/features/1999/p3_05.html
--Niemti (talk) 00:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more awards/noms 

message: This version, considered by GOG.com to be a "collector's edition", includes updates to the original game to make it work on modern systems.
I am happy with the content here; but the update itself as I understand it, was important on its own.  Released by a broadly anonymous source.  It is ongoing (still being updated according to the TTLG forum post)
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140085
One report on the incident: (the particular link to the first release location at ariane4ever appears dead now)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/26/hooray-system-shock-2-thief-2-get-usability-patches/
I feel that ghis ongoing (unofficial?) development on SS2 is worthy of note.115.64.167.220 (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any indication that this is the same patch used on the GOG release? That aside, the Rockpapershotgun source shows coverage of the patch so I'd not be opposed to having it mentioned somewhere in the article. Яehevkor ✉ 12:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the updates applied to the "Collectors Edition" 

message: I think this article already includes it, but all the bonus content that was sold with the GOG version is now part of the Steam version (for all owners), along with the Linux port that came out yesterday (2014-04-01). --MASEM (t) 17:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FWIW 

message: "Warren Spector, the director of the first System Shock, announced in February 2016 that he has joined OtherSide Entertainment and will be working on System Shock 3.[68]"
However in the SS1 article it says that he was in the producer's chair. -- TVippy  15:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it must be corrected because it represents an inconsistency. And speaking about System Shock 3, since the game has been officially announced by months, it would be good to create a dedicated article, using material in the "Sequel" section of SS2 and bring it to the "Development" section of SS3. 95.247.238.246 (talk) 02:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When there is more to say beyond "it's coming", we'll make a separate article. It's far too soon with as little as we have. --MASEM (t) 02:48, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

text: OK, then I'll correct only the thing about "Spector-director" with "Spector-producer". 82.51.154.194 (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spector director or producer on SS1 

message: That this is today's FA and yet makes no mention of the KS for the remake. --82.8.229.174 (talk) 10:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That was for the first game's remake, not SS2. --MASEM (t) 11:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

text: If you have a reliable source that affirms this, we can include it, but as best as I've seen, there's nothing to support this. --MASEM (t) 14:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the sources are discussions on fan sites and forums, which probably aren't "reliable enough" (judging by previous comments on this talk page), even though they were made by the actual people involved.  Instead, I'll have to fall back on this source, which is at least an article on a gaming news website (even if the writing quality is rather poor): http://thegameinquirer.com/system_shock_2_back_from_legal_limbo/ Nameless Voice (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I find it pretty incredible 

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message: --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We have very little information about it beyond what's there. There's no rush. --Masem (t) 14:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split SS3 already / at last 

message: I'm not going to add this yet as it's massive speculation but VGC is reporting that Tencent owns the SS3 domains suggesting Tencent may have invested into Otherside for the project, but I haven't seen news of anything like that to confirm.  --Masem (t) 13:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  On SS3