Talk:Rear admiral

message: :The term Rear Admiral originated from the days of Naval Sailing Squadrons, and is most directly associated with the British Royal Navy.
The second half of that statement strikes me as utterly POV. How does one determine what "most directly" means? Most rear admirals are British? Most people in the world think of "rear admiral" as a British rank? I strongly suspect the former isn't true (by a long shot), and I challenge anyone to prove the latter. Unless someone can suggest a valid reason for keeping that clause, I intend to remove it, leaving the historical British origin, a verifiable statement, in place. — Jeff Q 13:13, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, go for it. Stan 14:12, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  British POV 

message: It has changed, and someone needs to update the template.  As of when I left the Navy in late 2003, Read Admiral (Lower) was now RDML and Rear Admiral (Upper) was RADM.--Mitsukai 04:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have taken care of that. Neovu79 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Designations for Rear Admirals 

message: I stumbled across this article, and have a question which is probably equally valid for other military rank articles. I see why Rear Admiral Jones or so is capitalized, but shouldn't "a rear admiral", "an admiral", ...  be in lowercase? Dictionary.com agrees, but perhaps more official dictionaries or some WP guideline disagrees with me. If there has been a relevant discussion about this yet somewhere else, pleasae point me there! Fram 07:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization

message: *Support -- While this dictionary does list it are lower case, this dictionary list ALL words in lower case. The common use of the term Rear Admiral is by title. People normally refer to some as "Rear Admiral John Do" and not "John do is a rear admiral". Also this section is the only one that does not conform with other Navy ranks in Wikipedia  which are all capitalized, i.e. Lieutenant Junior Grade, Lieutenant Commander, Lieutenant Colonel, Brigadier General, Major General, Lieutenant General. Need I go on? Even the Captain section is wikipedia is capitalized. I know many military officers who get aggitated or offended when you do not refer to them by their rank. If you change one rank capitalization in Wikipedia, then you must also change them all. You can not have the glass half full. Neovu79 03:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grammatically in a sentence the above statements are true, however, note the official biographies of Navy flags officers in this this page United States Navy Biographies. All ranks are in capital letters. Neovu79 22:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we have examples of both... Any reason then, except personal preference, not to follow the example of dictionaries, other encyclopedias, newspapers, and our own Manual of Style? Fram 18:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A commission rank is a title not just a word or term used in a sentence. It signifies one's status and we military famlies worked hard to achieve especially flag rank. Only 1% of all active commission officers will ever reach O-7 and above. Secondly, dictionaries and encyclopedia did not come up with the rank. They are used to find the correct spelling and definition with the later giving a brief background history of it. When does either tell you to capitalize a word? Lastly, when addressing someone of rank, you would use something like, "May I speak with the Rear Admiral?" Show me a grammar book that says the Navy is grammatically incorrect in the capitalization of military ranks when they created it and I will recend my movement. Neovu79 21:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the context of what you're saying however, the military doesn't see it a just a general "word," we see it in the term of "grade ranks," which is what it was founded for. I see the title, Prime Minister in the same context. If the titles are capitalized to emphasize their importance. No one would take "Prime minister Blair" seriously, which is why his title is capitalized to signify his importance. Military ranks are the exact same way. Neovu79 02:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really care if they are taken seriously or not, there are a lot of prime ministers, presidents, generals and so on that no one takes seriously, no matter if their title is capitalized or not. Anyway, no one says that we should write "prime minister Blair", but "Prime Minister Blair is a prime minister", and "Rear Admiral Jones is a rear admiral". I'm sorry, but that's standard usage in English (American, British, whatever), and we should reflect that; we are not the military Wikipedia (nor anyone else Wikipedia), and we don't reflect the point of view of the military nor of the anti-military. Fram 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying the entire Wikipedia should reflect military standards, I'm saying that this particular page does because it is a military/naval word and it's tied to many other military/naval pages in Wikipedia. Neovu79 15:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is nomore further discussion, I'm going to change it back to Rear Admiral. Neovu79 00:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, why? You are turning back a previous conclusion because you disagree with it? Where is the consensus to move it back? If you want to move it back, post it at Wikipedia:Requested moves, just like the previous one (and not under the "uncontroversial proposals", please. Fram 18:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: We're not disputing how it can be used, but how the ranks is perceived in common usage. Ranks are commonly used inside and outside the military with a person's name following it and not as commonly used in a sentence without. Neovu79 05:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Back to [[Rear Admiral]]

message: I've read the above discussions with interest, and I can understand how it could be titled "rear admiral" or "Rear Admiral", but I can not understand how the above discussion resulted in "Rear admiral". The most quoted example is "Rear Admiral X is a rear admiral". "Rear admiral X is a Rear admiral" was never justified, or even advocated, yet that's what the article ended up being called. Can someone explain this to me please? Pdfpdf 14:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:CAPS. Partly for technical reasons, the first letter of the title is (almost) always capitalized in Wikipedia. We make exceptions only when... the title wouldn't be capitalized even at the start of the sentence, like e.g. eBay and μ operator, or Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:lowercase. Duja► 12:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, after the articles are moved (supposing there is consensus for it), the contents of the articles should be changed as well of course. I haven't started this because I would prefer to have the MoS and a consensus of the MilHist project behind me, instead of only the MoS. eing bold is encouraged, but as these changes are not completely uncontroversial, the "discuss first, change later" model works better. Fram 14:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would seem to be a prudent approach!! Pdfpdf 14:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once AGAIN I have to agree with Pdfpdf. It's too ununiform the have this page as the ONLY one to have it in this format. Neovu79 15:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading to discussion above, I too have to agree with Neovu79 and the others, it's strange to look at the page in this way. Saevurr 15:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's why I have now proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title to change them all. Consistency in the project, and consistency with the rest of Wikipedia. Fram 15:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you change all the commissioned ranks you have to change all the noncommissioned and warrant officer ranks as well. Saevurr 20:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do that, then you run into the problem of particular ranks like Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, Sergeant Major of the Army, Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force and Master Chief Petty Officer of the Coast Guard. These are not only ranks, they are the titles of their respective billets/positions like the Chief of Naval Operations or Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Neovu79 21:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rear admiral and/or Rear Admiral, but Rear admiral? 

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message: This topic is being discussed on Talk:Admiral (Canada),Talk:Vice admiral,Talk:Commodore (Canada)
I was wondering why we don't have the command pennants shown on these articles?
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thread_title:  Adding flags to flag officer ranks 

message: Need something to clarify that this is nothing to do with body parts.  “Rear” and “Admiral” in the same phrase can mislead one into thinking this is some kind of sexual thing. In reality, Rear Admirals (including Coast Guard Rear Admiral Charles E Butts) are chosen for things having nothing to do with body parts. 67.187.19.172 (talk) 22:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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