Talk:England national football team/Archive 1

message: Doesn't England have a new logo with a star on top, representing the world cup won in 1966?
Other teams that won the world cup, have stars representing those victories: Brazil - 5 stars; France - 1 star; Italy - 3 stars. DragonFire 17:23, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: England Logo

message: Surely there should be more in the 'early years' section. Obviously information from so long ago can be difficult to find, but what about the players from that era etc.? Ben davison 15:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: England Football Online would be the obvious place to start, but given that England did not take part in the first World Cups, and up until 1920 England typically played only three matches a year (against the other Home Nations), with the odd tour, perhaps there isn't much to say. Perhaps worth mentioning are the start of the Home Internationals, the Ibrox disaster and the match against Germany where the players had to give the Nazi salute... Qwghlm 16:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Years

message: I just added the picture ofBobby Moore holding the trophy in 1966. I'm suprised it wasn't here already. There are at least 2 other pictures this page MUST have. One is the team giving the Nazi salue in 1938 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3128202.stm) the other is Terry Butcher covered in blood. (http://images.google.com/images?q=%22terry%20butcher%22) Jooler 00:15, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a pity that those photos will inevitably have some sort of copyright attached to them. Qwghlm 14:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: SUPPORT THE TEAM!
Add the template  to your user page!   Deano 23:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: :I think it's fair that players like Steven Warnock are removed from the list having never played for England and not getting in squad recently. But players like Darren Bent who has been included in the last 2 or 3 squads but just ot got a run out yet should be included.
Jimmmmmmmmm February 23, 2006 10:03
:P.S. If you check the top of the section it's say players recently called into th England Squad not player who have recently played for England.
Actually, Warnock was last in the squad for the Wales/N. Ireland games last season. Has Darren Bent ever actually been in a squad? I can't find him at the FA's site, which lists players such as Scott Carson, who were in the Summer 2005 tour squad. As there are no criteria for this at the moment, and I can't find any sites that list past squads, how about we start applying the following criteria from now:
* Players who have made an appearance within the last two (calender) years
* Players who have appeared in the squad but not played over the last (calender) year
I don't see any need to trawl through the page and sites to try and sort out the current list, but if we introduce this 'policy' now we can police quite easliy in future. Robdurbar 11:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Darren Bent been in a few squad trust me. 
Jimmmmmmmmm February 23, 2006 12:12
===Criteria===
So I have used the following criteria to include players:
*Have appeared in an England squad over the last year
*Have played for England over the last eighteen months
*Have played in the qualifying campaing for, or finals of, the current 'active' World Cup of European Championship
Changes since then have added Scott Parker, though he does not fit into these criteria (though he does fit into the earlier proposed one, which I then tightened slightly). I think that allowing 'discresion' on adding extra players is a bit dodgy, as it is not Wikipedia's place to say who may be invovled in the squad soon. I reduced the length to 18 months for the simple fact that a two year period would have meant including Danny Mills! However, from a more serious view, eighteen months or a qualifying campaing apperance reflects the fact that England squads operate (roughly) around the two big tournaments that occur every other year. I will remove Parker for now but am willing to here other arguments. Robdurbar 09:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: On the other hand though, if Robinson and James (or whoever) were both injured, he would probably be called up, at least to the squad; we are only listing five goalkeepers, with three palces in each squad. The problem when we start making exceptions is that we start making non-neutral value judgements. Robdurbar 10:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not so sure that that is the case. I bow to your greater knowledge on all things Wikipedia but you are basing part of your argument on a presumption that a) England will lose two goalkeepers and b) that Carson would be called up if they do. The scarcity of English goalkeepers is borne out by the fact that England's third choice plays for a struggling Championship side. However there are many good young English keepers, not just Carson, who are second choices for their club and it is by no means a certainty that he will be called up again. (Pally01 10:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well... maybe we could add the criteria that players should  be 'involved in their first team squad'? Robdurbar 10:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Har, har, har... (Pally01 11:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current player 

message: So I have used the following criteria to include players:
*Have appeared in an England squad over the last year
*Have played for England over the last eighteen months
*Have played in the qualifying campaing for, or finals of, the current 'active' World Cup of European Championship
Changes since then have added Scott Parker, though he does not fit into these criteria (though he does fit into the earlier proposed one, which I then tightened slightly). I think that allowing 'discresion' on adding extra players is a bit dodgy, as it is not Wikipedia's place to say who may be invovled in the squad soon. I reduced the length to 18 months for the simple fact that a two year period would have meant including Danny Mills! However, from a more serious view, eighteen months or a qualifying campaing apperance reflects the fact that England squads operate (roughly) around the two big tournaments that occur every other year. I will remove Parker for now but am willing to here other arguments. Robdurbar 09:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand though, if Robinson and James (or whoever) were both injured, he would probably be called up, at least to the squad; we are only listing five goalkeepers, with three palces in each squad. The problem when we start making exceptions is that we start making non-neutral value judgements. Robdurbar 10:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not so sure that that is the case. I bow to your greater knowledge on all things Wikipedia but you are basing part of your argument on a presumption that a) England will lose two goalkeepers and b) that Carson would be called up if they do. The scarcity of English goalkeepers is borne out by the fact that England's third choice plays for a struggling Championship side. However there are many good young English keepers, not just Carson, who are second choices for their club and it is by no means a certainty that he will be called up again. (Pally01 10:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well... maybe we could add the criteria that players should  be 'involved in their first team squad'? Robdurbar 10:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Har, har, har... (Pally01 11:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria

message: I really think there should be a :Category:England footballers, distinct from the :Category:English footballers, or maybe as a non-exclusive sub-category of it (.: players could appear in both cats).  This should just be for people who've played for the England national team; after all, all the league clubs have similar categories, so why not England?  The same for the England u21 team as well.  Any assents? Slumgum 21:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, go for it! If you feel so keen as to cat them seperatly, go for it! (In fact, just to annoy Chris Sutton, we could create an England B category too...)Robdurbar 23:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOLSlumgum 23:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  England footballers category