Talk:Alfa Romeo Alfasud

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus
4 editors (including the proposer) support the move.  2 editors oppose it.
I find there is consensus that both the current and proposed names are WP:COMMON NAMEs.  The supporting editors argue that the proposed name is more WP:CONCISE.  That policy states: "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area."  Although the proposed name is obviously shorter, I find there is no consensus as to whether it provides sufficient information for the general reader.
The opposing editors argue that the move is contra WP:CARNAMES.  I find there is also no consensus on that point.  The policy states: "Automobile nomenclature, including article titles, should generally take the form of make and model."  This express a general rather than an absolute rule, and exceptions exist, such as Range Rover and Mini.  One editor expresses that the article subject is clearly an exception, but this is not self-evident.
Any resubmission of this RM should clearly explain why the article subject is an exception to the general rule.
(non-admin closure)  Havelock Jones (talk) 09:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alfa Romeo Alfasud →  – More WP:CONCISE and less redundant. No other pages with similar names so no need for disambiguation. A cursory search shows plenty of examples of "Alfasud" being used without "Alfa Romeo" coming before it (Evo, Jalopnik, Goodwood The Telegraph, Top Gear), and at a glance it would appear that both the current title and suggested title are WP:COMMONNAMEs. Consistent with how we use "Range Rover" as an article title and not "Land Rover Range Rover". HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

text: The entry name currently used for Englishj wikipedia is the name used in Italian wikipedia and the other language versions I bothered to check.   There's no obvious reason to change the name for the English language version unless you think the purpose of wikipedia is to celebrate English differentness.   The car certainly was an Alfa Romeo even if the funding for the development and factory came from whoever it was that was paying for the Italian government at the time.   Italian tax payers?   (Which begs a whole lot more unnecessary and digressional questions.)  If you will set up the necessary redirect pages, then people can access the page a range of names according to their personal tastes.   But I don't see any particulat point in giving the English language entry a name different from that chosen for the Italian language entry.  They never sold many Alfasuds in England and, strangely, most of the ones they did sell are no longer around here/there.  Be well. Charles01 (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain what any of this has to do with Wikipedia policies on article titles? This  the  Wikipedia. How things are referred to in other languages isn't relevant. In WP:ENGLISH many sources refer to it simply as the "Alfasud", dropping the "Alfa Romeo", and following that usage would be more WP:CONCISE in a situation where there is no need for a disambiguating WP:QUALIFIER. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Automobiles has been notified of this discussion.  — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 16:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 August 2021