Talk:Bokelji

message: I see some people want to rewrite this article. That's good. However, you must first deal with the fact that the last two sections of the article have basically been copy and pasted from . I say "basically" because the term 'Croat' has been deleted and replaced by 'Bokelj' in every case. This info may be a copyright infringment (I'm not sure, the website allows some free usage), but it certainly does not speak of Bokelji, rather Croatians from Boka which this article completely distorts. --Thewanderer 17:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wanderer, yeah, could you help over 'ere. I think we've made a mess of the article. --PaxEquilibrium 11:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm all in favour of acceptance. I believe that they may have previously called themselves Croats, but proper statistics are hard to find. Censa indicate percentage of people with regard ethnicity, language, religion etc. according to region. When you count the number of Croats in Montenegro, it is hard to prove that the people who declared the name are or are not from the Bokeljs. If we can, then this article can be based on a community who identify as Bokeljs at a regional level like the Romania-based Krashovans do when they mostly identify as Croats at the national level. Equally, if most are insistent on calling themselves Bokeljs by ethnicity then we cannot assert that they are either Serb, Croat or Montenegrin. We can say that they are Slavic in that this is an ethnicity of an ethnicity itself, and if it can be proved, we can say that they previously declared themselves Croats (or whatever else). What is dangerous however is to return to the old disputes that they can call themselves as they choose, they are still Serbs, or still Croats etc as if to suggest that there is something concrete about being Serb or Croat when there simply isn't that. And the other thing is that if they are nationally identifying as Bokeljs on one census in contrast to a previous edition, there is every possibility that some if only few who took the name may have been Serbs or Montenegrins. Nationality moves in mysterious ways. Evlekis 18:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article plagiarized? 

message: I haven't seen more biased article in a long while. According to people who have never even seen Boka, Bokelji were and are Serbs, we are all loyal to the Serbian Orthodox Church, Budva is a part of Boka(which is, you must agree, contradictory to the common sense), and celebrating "slava" makes us Serbs, because no one in the whole world has patron saints but Serbs... Thus, I added the POV tag.Didn't have time to revise the page, but something has to be done asap. Sideshow Bob 23:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Bokelji were and are Serbs, the Montenegrin Orthodox Church is little or none at all active in the Bay (which is the HQ of the Serbian Orthodox Church's activity and the Serbian institutions in Montenegro). Budva indeed is historically a part of Boka, and as a the Gulf is considered to be more of a historical entity, its residents still consider it (although it aint geographically, of course). --PaxEquilibrium 23:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV