Talk:Eminem/Archive 1

message: there is a new underground eminem album called "Get The Guns" I tried to post it but people keep deleting it... can sum1 add it here's tha tracklist
01 - Countdown (0:11) 
02 - Get My Gun feat D12 (4:34) 
03 - 9-11 (4:36) 
04 - Original Soundtrack - Rap Game (5:53) 
05 - Words Are Weapons (3:45) 
06 - Welcome To Detroit (4:10) 
07 - 1 Day At A Time (3:43) 
08 - Slow Your Role (4:25) 
09 - Go To Sleep (4:42) 
10 - Say My Name (4:34) 
11 - Obie Trice - 11 - Defence (4:02) 
12 - Renegade (5:37) 
13 - Don't Approach Me (4:36) 
14 - The Sauce (3:26)
It's not an album, it's a compilation. And since no word was spoken on the official website, I doubt this compilation is official.--It 21:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Album

message: Eminem has sold around 77 million as i will prove now. if you click this link [] it will say eminem has sold 70 million records but if u look at bottom of the article it will say 11th may 2005. since may 2005 eminem has since released another album called curtain call in november/december 2005 which has sold as of november around 7 million copies worldwide so this brings a total tally of around 77 million albums worldwide!! And also with eminem having a brand new album on the way in dec 2006 he will be clear of 2 pac. dont get me wrong i belivev 2 pac is brilliant but i mean in reality eminem has now sold more records and eminems popularity is far more higher.
77+ MILLION ALBUMS WORLDWIDE OFFICIAL
Okay, but if Tupac was still alive, he would of been selling much more than he was at this moment. He would of had an explosive career, "far" more than LL Cool J or Eminem. It is true that Eminem has sold 77 million, but let's face the facts-he exists, Tupac doesn't. If Tupac did, most likely things would of been much more different today. Besides, Tupac sold humously and posthumously for a reason. Eminem, however, sells for a reason I can't determine!
this link shows eminem with 80 million sales before the re ip was relaesed official.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totaly, 2pac & eminem rulezzzz, i hope both there new albums do well!
What does Tupac have to do with this? Anyway, Urban Dictionary is not a source, it is editable and people submit those defintions License2Kill 03:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Albums Sold___________________________

message: He makes great use of assonance.  There is no question, but that in itself is a form of alliteration.  It makes no sense.  And about the three-revert rule.  It works great when someone is conformed to a static IP.  Yet I am not.  I don't want to have to get into these revert wars and all but blocking threats are pointless, yet fuel to the fire.
No one is saying assonance is vandalism.  I am stating it is redundant and not neccessary.  "He is smart and intelligent." ---same deal.
Ah, I see.  I'm not sure I'd call it redundant, since they're related but don't actually mean the same thing, but I do see your point.  Sorry about that, the lack of edit summaries made it look like a vandalism reversion issue. Vary 04:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: The reason why I keep replacing the Activelyrics and Lyricsquest link with an Original Hip-Hop Lyrics Archive (OHHLA) link is because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site, which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent, and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism.  --Aramգուտանգ 00:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics page

message: I want to address your point one by one.
1.because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.
What makes you think ActivLyrics.com is not reputable. Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics' I also had the feature 'correct lyrics'. Only after obtaining this content I have removed those features.
 
2. Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism.
I agree that it is possible that OHHLA May have more links but it still does not give you the right to delete it.
Secondly I do belive that OHHLA is not user friendly and full of promotion and advertisements.
I do not want to offend you in anyway but you can just take those two sites and compare
The reason why I have posted second site is because you kept deleting one link so I thought something wrong with design or anything else.
:I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites (*cough* IMDb *cough*). Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated. Also, OHHLA is a popular site (compare Alexa ranking: ) and the lyrics there are likely to be more accurate, as more people see them and correct them (same principle as Wikipedia). Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all. Even ceteris paribus, the fact that OHHLA is the site with more Eminem lyrics than yours should be enough to be the deciding factor. --Aramգուտանգ 02:38, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics page

message: Why do u consider it a vandalism???
I just wanna help people with lyrics, no disrespect to your site. Plus, it's not a SPAM or whatever, it's a clean website. As u said urself: ur site is great but full of those ad elements and they're very boring.Do somethin for people, my friend.
peace
Learn to speak english you fucking halfbreed
:This sort of thing isn't needed at Wikipedia.  You might want to read up on some Wikipedia policies having to do with civility.  Where I come from, when a person says "peace" to you, you don't respond by insulting them.  -Kasreyn 21:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VANDALISM???? 

message: You have said:
"I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites". 
Answer: It means that you are using wikipedia's resources to earn money and this is not allowed. This is what called self-promotion.
"Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated"
Answer: Yeah I do consider this as a good reason but you should have stated from the very beginning. 
"Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all"
Answer: I do not promote myself I promote site I really really like. And why do you think i am an affiliate or sth...
In the same way I DO Not know wether you are in affiliation or not wit OHHLA.
I do respect your reason regaading the amount of lyrics therefore for now I am not going to add anything but I dobelieve as well that the site I am putting link to is more user friendly, does not haveany ads and created only for purpose of lyrics  lovers.
:Well, first, I did state that OHHLA has more lyrics in the first place, note the phrase "Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites" in my first post.
:Second, you have indicated that it's your own site when you said "Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics'".
:As to my non-affiliation with OHHLA, you can either take my word on it, or also note the fact that I had not uploaded a link to it (even though I edited the article before) until you first posted your links and I realised that a link to a lyrics page is quite appropriate for an artist like Eminem (for people who are doing research and such) and only then posted it.
:Now, I understand that your page is clean and has no advertisements, but content is what counts I'm afraid. If your site has a more comprehensive lyrics collection for some artist than other sites, you are welcome to post your link on that artist's page. However, this is not the case with Eminem or Dr. Dre or in fact most other hip-hop artists. Also, in the future, refrain from editing the article while a dispute on the change is not resolved yet, since that may be considered vandalism. Glad you understand. --Aramգուտանգ 13:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment towardS OOHLA

message: The article is currently quite badly written. For instance the second paragraph of "Other works and ventures". I'd change it myself except English isn't my first language and, well, I'm lazy. Rep 13:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a look through it and maybe make some fixes. --realwingus 10:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Language 

message: IMO the most interesting part of rap is the "beef," and this guy has had a lot of them, and a lot of unorthodox targets as far as I can tell.
Are there any wikipedia articles on rap feuds at all?
:Yes, see hip hop rivalries. Expanding the Eminem article to deal with his feuds in particular has also long been on my to-do list :) --Aramգուտանգ 22:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feuds? 

message: This article has been heavily vandalised. I've tried to edit it but someone reverts it back or adds more vandalism.
:Keep at it.  Remember, a vandal usually has to exert a bit more effort to vandalize than you have to exert in order to revert it.  Reverting is as simple as click, click, "rvv" click, done.  Only a ctrl-a-delete mass blanking vandal is that fast.  Since time is on our side, as long as vandals don't outnumber us by more than, say, ten to one, we should easily be able to handle it.  -Kasreyn 10:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said anything about evil?  It is always a struggle, however, to try to create order out of chaos.  -Kasreyn 04:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Hush. You know you think it's a war ~_~ THEY OUTNUMBER US, BUT THE CASTLE WALLS WILL HOLD! HURRAH! Ok then. I mean come on... you used the words "struggle," "order," and "chaos" all in one sentence... and you mentioned numbers. I'm amused. Dan 05:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I'm not sure the trivia point that references the Christian rap groups is at all encyclopedic. Eminem's songs have been parodied by far more prominent artists, including Christina Aguilera, and he has likewise been mentioned in the work of more prominent and famous artists. Furthermore, the sentence beginning with "He has been recognized as a huge influence on the music industry" is a complete non sequitur - the  points that follow have almost nothing to do with his influence on the music industry. I propose moving the notes on the Christian groups to the pages for KJ-52 and ApologetiX, respectively, and adding something more pertinent to Eminem's impact on the hip hop industry.
*Christina Aguilera has never parodied any of Eminem's songs. You are thinking of the parody of "The Real Slim Shady" that was done by a female that spread all over p2p sharing programs saying that it was performed my Christina. It has been proven who really sang it and it was not her. Buzda 19:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Section 

message: The article is heavily focused on his career, I wonder why the personal aspect is not there. Is it because of the controversy of the matter?
:Something else about his personal life. Looking back on the news articles from 2000, it says his wife tried to cut her wrists after attending one of his concerts in the Detroit area. Anyone know for sure if he performed "Kim" at said concert and that triggered it? I read he'd do tasteless shit like throw around an effigy of her, but I don't know if a song like that'd be on his regular concert playlist... Dr. Trey 12:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life?  

message: "In 2001, Eminem brought D12 on to the rap scene and also became a member of D12."
D12 appeared on Eminem's albums before the release of their debut album. Also how could Eminem join D12 if he is already (and always was) a member from the very begining?
--Unbreakable_MJ 00:11, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eminem in D12