Talk:Star Trek: Nemesis

message: Removed claim that Nemesis was first Trek film about human nature. Star Trek II is about how we confront death, failure and old age, and how striving to do what we do best keeps us young and alive. That is also a look at human nature. So I took the claim out here. 74.73.74.241 01:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How we face death is at least as important as how we face life 

message: Season Seven of DS9 ("Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges") clearly estabishes that the lifting of the embargo against the Romulan government means that Romulan Ale is finally legal in the Federation.  This point is established during a conversation between Dr Bashir, Admiral Ross and Senator Cretak.  So, since this movie takes place AFTER the Dominion War, previous entries that suggested Romulan Ale was still illegal are incorrect.  LaForges remarks to the contrary are one of the many plot holes in this movie.
:Not necessarily. The Romulans were part of an alliance to fight along side the Federation and Klingons against the Dominion. They seem to end the alliance soon after the Dominion War ended. The reason I say this is because in Nemesis, Admiral Janeway orders Captain Picard and crew to Romulus in order to answer the new Romulan Preator's call for peace. Because of this, the alliance obviosly ended after the end of the Dominion War for Shinzon to even play at peace. If the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation had an alliance, and then the Preator calls for peace with the Federation, I believe that this would raise a red flag at the protocol office of the Federation President (if that office exists), not to mention a red flag in both Admiral Janeway and Captain Picard. This means that, with the alliance between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire ended at the conclusion of the Dominion War, the embargo would have been re-established. Admiral Ross said that the embargo against Romulan Ale was lifted because of the alliance. Since the alliance is no more, the embargo was re-established. Therefore, Geordi's statment in Nemesis is correct. Mainphramephreak 09:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romulan Ale 

message: Can anyone else confirm the trailer's kerning problem and it looking like it says "A generation's anal journey begins"? I Googled the line and found nothing but Wikipedia and Wiki-derived sites.
:I could find two independent Usenet posts observing this:  and . I'll grant you that that's not much in the way of references, and the fact isn't that important... though it's funny as all hell. :-) 82.92.119.11 16:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um, Anal Journey? 

message: why do people use Google all the time[?] Wikipedia should not be endorsing one search engine
I found more results on yahoo  Dudtz 8/25/05 2:09 PM EST
Also, can anyone confirm something happening to Worf that would make him change his mind about becoming Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire (Or was it Vice-Versa?) as was suggested at the end of Deep Space 9?  If this is true, what was he doing on the Enterprise?
In a cut scene from the movie, Worf said that he decided that he did not want to continue being an ambassador. In the book Articles of the Federation, his son Alexander becomes the Federation Ambassador to Qo'noS Willie 08:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Endorsing Google?

message: Is it true that during the commentary when Stuart Baird was informed the lukewarm box-office of Star Trek: Nemesis he went outside to kick a dumpster and had to get foot surgery thereafter? DrWho42 01:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foot surgery 

message: The image of the E is from First Contact. Hopefully, someone with the Nemesis DVD can find a more appropriate image for this article. 68.41.122.213 10:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enterprise Image

message: There's one thing I didn't like about Nemesis that I don't see here. Nemesis did a horrible job on props and sets. Whereas the various series and the other movies looked like they were from the remote future (valid exception: DS9's station scenes), Nemesis looked like it was filmed with studio-built poor knock offs of expensive but already available gadgets. This wasn't a problem with technology catching up to TNG, but rather with them deciding to use technology that wasn't up to that level. I think the lighting in the movie also lowered its visual appeal, albeit to a lesser extent. --Steven Fisher 15:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A complaint about Nemesis. 

message: I noticed that YouTube has removed this clip due to TOU. I've seen this clip many times but it does need to be properly sited. If anyone has a good link please edit.
:Not that it matters a whole lot because there's still no link to the clip, but I undid a recent change that attributed the "That's because it sucked" quote to Marina Sirtis, not LeVar Burton as it was originally posted. Burton did, in fact, make that statement, although after the laughter died down, Sirtis did say, "It didn't suck as much as Insurrection."
::Good grief, this article has been hacked to pieces. Although, I do agree that the reference to the Burton/Sirtis clip had to come out. for now. I'm sure many of us have seen the clip (I saw it about a year ago), but a broken YouTube link wasn't exactly a quality citation. Still, if it turns up, I think reading such candid observations from two cast members warrants a spot in the article.76.102.47.166 05:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burton/Sirtis video clip 

message: In the movie, Dr. Crusher says that if the Enterprise is hit with the Thalaron beam, that everyone on board will be killed because of the radiation's ability to consume organic matter. When she said this, was she ignoring the fact that Data is not organic and would indeed survive the radiation. We see proof that Data is inorganic in First Contact when Data punctures the warp coolant tank releasing the coolant; as was mentioned earlier in the movie, the coolant also "liquifies" organic material, seeing as Data was not "liquified" when he is surrounded by the coolant, his status as an inorganic being is proved. So again, did Doctor Crusher just neglect to say anything about Data and focus simply on the rest of the organic crew, or was this a mistake on the part of the writers? Rajrajmarley 00:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Data is not organic, and there is no error either. She simply means that practically everybody will die. Were she to say that everyone would die "except Data," that would sound pedantically absurd, possibly even comical. In other words, it is so obvious that it goes without saying.--165.95.228.4 10:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Data organic? 

message: ...a message came up saying my edit was blocked because it was Blacklist Spam. I don't know what this meant but you can put the link back if I shouldn't have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Occono (talk • contribs) 14:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm far from an expert - but it doesn't feel too POV to me.  It is positive in tone.  I've added fact cites to many of the statements as well as the stuff that purports to 'interpret' the movie.  If they can be sourced:great,  if not they need to go based on WP:Orig Research. Either way I suspect that will take care of NPOV issues.  If you disagree, by all means put the tag back on, I'd just ask that you detail what you find NPOV so that the editors that have been working on this can address & correct.--Lepeu1999 14:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I put up NPOV, but I also took out the Patrick Stewart interview link because.... 

message: The Scimitar (Star Trek) article is mostly trivia (e.g. stats) and plot summary. No real-world significance that's articulated in that article or that I've seen anywhere else (although, granted, I'm not looking all that much). Would it make sense to merge/redirect it here? --EEMeltonIV 12:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definately not - the Scimitar page is all about the physical ship, whereas the Nemesis article is about the whole movie. Sure, part of the plot is the same, but is it really important to know that in Nemesis the romulan ship had 27 torpedo tubes? I think it fails that test, and thus is best presented on a seperate page. 58.7.61.127 00:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...but it isn't important on Wikipedia to know that trivia about the Romulan ship at all. See WP:WAF and WP:FICT. The ship has no real-world notability; worthwhile non-plot content should be integrated elsewhere. --EEMeltonIV 01:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  I agree with 58.7.61.127, it should remain a seperate article. I think scimitar just needs some expanding. EvilHom3r 13:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It needs intergrating - it's just another NN spaceship - it's only purpose in the film is to go BOOM BOOM. --Fredrick day 12:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I concur with integration.  I don't see the value in multple entries for particular fictional vehicles in movies.  Particularly a single appearance ship, unlike the various incarnations of the Enterprise Gearyster 19:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Scimitar here 

message: I could have sworn that Admiral Janeway said "How'd you like a trip to Romulus?" and not Remus. PlayItBogart 01:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remus? 

message: The entire plot section reads like it was written by a 14 year old and needs a major overhaul. Also it is full of glaring inaccuracies - i.e. the Enterprise was dispatched by Admiral Janeway to Romulus, not Remus. If no one chooses to redo it then I am in favour of killing the entire section and replacing it with a concise, 1-paragraph summary. Scott 110 (talk) 02:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done!  Check it out, and see if this is better.  I agree that there were still some inaccuracies.  Someone was trying to fit in every detail, and it made the wording unnecessarily cumbersome. LonelyBeacon (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kudos to you.Scott 110 (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Horribly-written plot section

message: Just saw Nemesis last night for the first time. Loved it more than Wrath of Kahn. Saw it only once so my comment related to the Wikipedia article is in the form of questions. I'm not an expert on the movie yet.
1. Why didn't Data just go to the control station and turn the weapon off?
2. Did Picard order personel to evacuate forward compartments before ramming?
Rogerfgay (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple of Perhaps Interesting Questions 

message: In the table on the right side the budget is 80 million. In the text, it's 60 million. Will you make up your minds please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.51.169.186 (talk) 17:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, and included a page from the IMDb as a source. Axeman (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget Confusion? 

message: What was the gross revenue of this movie?--Crab182 (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the Gross Revenue? 

message: The article states that this is the first Star Trek movie to be rated PG-13, which is incorrect as Star Trek First Contact (1996) was the first Trek movie rated PG-13.Doctorbenjiphd (talk) 07:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  rating 

message: ;British Film Institute
* SPERB, Jason: Sensing an Intellectual Nemesis, Film Criticism (0163-5069) v.32 n.1, October 2007, p.49-71, English, In a special issue titled 'Digital Visual Effects and Popular Cinema' this article looks particularly at STAR TREK NEMESIS.
* KEMPSTER, Grant: Star Trek: Nemesis SE, Film Review (0957-1809) n.665, January 2006, p.118, English, illus
* O'HARA, Helen: At Home/Movies: Special Editions: Star Trek Nemesis: Special Edition, Empire n.199, January 2006, p.189, English, illus
* ALTMAN, Mark A.: DVD in review, Cinefantastique (0145-6032) v.38 n.1, January 2006, p.60, English, illus
* GERAGHTY, Lincoln: Creating and Comparing Myth in Twentieth-Century Science Fiction: Star Trek and Star Wars, Literature/Film Quarterly (0090-4260) v.33 n.3, November 2005, p.191-200, English, illus, Compares these two science fiction worlds and how they use history and myth.
* The best and worst tv and films of 2003! StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec. n.63, May 2004, p.62-74, English, illus, Starburst readers vote for the best and worst tv and films of 2003.
* GRAYDON, Danny: Play, Empire n.171, September 2003, p.144, English, illus
* ROBSON, Eddie: Nemesis is the end of the Trek, lawsuit alleges, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.301, August 2003, p.7, English, illus
* RICHARDSON, David: Making Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec. n.58, July 2003, p.86-97, English, illus, An investigation into the making of STAR TREK: NEMESIS.
* RICHARDSON, David: Star Trek: Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.300, June 2003, p.108, English, illus
* CARLSSON, Mikael: Film music review: new films, Music from the Movies (0967-8131) n.37, April 2003, p.23-24, English, illus
* NORTON, Bill: Through a glass darkly, Cinefex n.93, April 2003, p.88-111, English, illus, Details of some of the 400 effects in STAR TREK NEMESIS (mostly by Digital Domain). Includes: title sequences; deterioration effects on the Praetor; design of the shuttle; animatronics for B-4 android; makeup for the Kolarans & more
* WHITE, Dave: Star Trek: Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.296, March 2003, p.79, English, illus
* BROOKS, James E.: The Hardy Boy's Adventure, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.296, March 2003, p.44-50, English, illus, Tom Hardy talks about his character Shinzon, the Evil clone of Jean-Luc Picard, in STAR TREK: NEMESIS, the physical demand of the role and facial prosthetics.
* Front row: next generation: to finally go, Empire n.165, March 2003, p.21, English, illus, Actor Patrick Stewart comments on what he will do (go back to theatre) after STAR TREK NEMESIS which is likely to be the last Star Trek movie.
* NEWMAN, Kim: Reviews, Sight and Sound (0037-4806) v.13 n.2, February 2003, p.61-62, English, illus
* SMITH, Adam: The reviews, Empire n.164, February 2003, p.42, English, illus
* ALTMAN, Mark A.: Attack of the Clone, Cinefantastique (0145-6032) v.35 n.1, February 2003, p.70-71, English, illus, Review of STAR TREK: NEMESIS.
* SMITH, Adam: Generation X, Empire n.164, February 2003, p.104-107, English, illus, Members of the cast and crew comment on working on what is intended to be the last STAR TREK feature, STAR TREK: NEMESIS.
* HAZELTON, John: Reviews, Screen International (0307-4617) n.1386, 06 January 2003, p.42, English
* BROOKS, James E: Bon voyage, captain... StarBurst (0955-114X) n.294, January 2003, p.40-45, English, illus, Patrick Stewart discusses his return to the helm of the Enterprise in STAR TREK: NEMESIS.
* JONES, Alan: Star Trek: Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.294, January 2003, p.60, English, illus
* Star Trek: Nemesis London Première, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.295, February 2003, p.14-15, English, illus, Photos and notes on the stars of STAR TREK: NEMESIS at the London Première and the Hyde Park Star Trek Exhibition.
* BROOKS, Jim: The Wrath of Logan? StarBurst (0955-114X) n.295, February 2003, p.40-46, English, illus, Screenwriter John Logan - and knowledgeable fan of Star Trek - tells how he came to script the story of STAR TREK:NEMESIS and how he approached the concept and characters.
* SPELLING, Ian: Stewart's inquiries, Film Review (0957-1809) n.626, January 2003, p.20-29, English, illus, Background on the making of STAR TREK: NEMESIS, including comments from director Stuart Baird and actor Patrick Stewart.
* SPELLING, Ian: New movies, Film Review (0957-1809) n.626, January 2003, p.74-75, English, illus
* JONES, Alan: Star Trek: Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) n.295, February 2003, p.61, English, illus
* TAKIS, John: Where no note has gone before...the Trek film series gets a farewell salute (for now), Film Score Monthly v.8 n.1, January 2003, p.26-27, English, illus, Reviews of the Star Trek movies and series with a list of available soundtrack CD's.
* FOUNDAS, Scott: FILM REVIEWS, Variety (0042-2738), 09 December 2002, p.29, English, illus
* LOGAN, Michael: The finale frontier, TV Guide (0039-8543) v.50 n.49, 07 December 2002, p.24-26,28,[30-31],67, English, illus, Actor Patrick Stewart talks about his role as Captain Picard in STAR TREK NEMESIS.
* LOGAN, Michael: An honours graduate of Starfleet writing academy, TV Guide (0039-8543) v.50 n.49, 07 December 2002, p.32-34,67, English, illus, Screenwriter John Logan talks about his work on STAR TREK NEMESIS.
* LOGAN, Michael: The Data file, TV Guide (0039-8543) v.50 n.49, 07 December 2002, p.36,38-[39], English, illus, Actor Brent Spiner talks about working on STAR TREK NEMESIS, in which he played Data and B-4.
* BROOKS, James E.: Spot the difference... StarBurst (0955-114X) n.292, December 2002, p.26-32, English, illus, Brent Spiner talks about his involvement in the script of STAR TREK: NEMESIS and his character Data.
* JOY, Nick: Marriage, counsellor? StarBurst (0955-114X) n.293, December 2002, p.32-36,38, English, illus, Marina Sirtis talks about her character as Deanna Troi in the Star Trek franchise, particularly in STAR TREK: NEMESIS, screen weddings, writer John Logan, and the future for STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION's crew aboard the Enterprise-E.
* BROOKS, Jim: Taking the big chair... StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec. n.55, December 2002, p.22-28, English, illus, An overview of the contributions Stuart Baird made for the direction of STAR TREK: NEMESIS.
* Pipeline: the final frontier? Empire n.162, December 2002, p.40, English, illus, On rumours that STAR TREK: NEMESIS is to be the final Star Trek film.
* Nemesis! StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec n.54, November 2002, p.6-30, English, illus, Series of articles focusing on the making of STAR TREK: NEME SIS; Jonathan Frakes; the Romulan masters and the Reman slaves; Michael Dorn on his character Worf; & the Soong-type androids.
* Trailer park: Star Trek: Nemesis, StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec n.54, November 2002, p.98, English, illus, An evaluation of the film's trailer.
* ANDREWS, Scott: STAR TREK: NEMESIS, StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec n.52, May 2002, p.78-81, English, illus, Includes a short article on the Romulans.
* JOY, Nick: Star Gates, StarBurst (0955-114X) v.Spec. n.51, February 2002, p.20-23, English, illus, Gates McFadden talks about her role as Dr Crusher in STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, and the upcoming movie NEMESIS.
* Production, Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.371 n.36, 15 January 2002, p.31, English
* Production, Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.371 n.31, 08 January 2002, p.47, English
* Production, Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.371 n.8, 04 December 2001, p.27, English
* Starlog Magazine Issue 305 -- 109.76.129.26 (talk) 05:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources to use 

message: I dispute the fact that the information is "unneeded".  One could argue that the entire Wikipedia Project is "uneeded", as the world would continue to spin around the Sun and our lives would not end.  However, if the porpose of the Project is to chronicle information on notable topics, then there is no reason not to include this information.  It was filmed, it was included on a DVD release, and it is relevant to the article.  Please come up with something other than "uneeded" if you want to delete it. Rapier1 (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that it's not relevant to the plot in the slightest. Wow. A new first officer. One who we see for all of a minute. He's an extra. If it was important to a reader's understanding of the story, then yes, keep it without a doubt. However, it isn't. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 20:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not it's important to the reader's understand of the story is irrelevant.  The fact that it exists is.  The ending itself by definition modifies the story slightly, as we see further interaction between the characters. Rapier1 (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because something exists doesn't mean it's notable. Left 4 Head, a "fan"-made Left 4 Dead porn movie, exists. Doesn't mean it's going onto the article. Countless Easter Eggs exist in virtually every movie or game, as do dozens of deleted scenes. Those aren't notable (barring the odd exception). We see further interaction between Data and Picard over a glass of Chateau Picard in another deleted scene. That's not notable (though, personally, I think it's more relevant to the plot than "Oh, wow, a new chair! ^.^"). Deleted scenes don't indicate notability. However, I doubt this will convince you, so we wait for consensus between other users. Until then, I'll revert the section, though if consensus goes against me, I'm more than happy to accept that. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 20:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  A fan produced film has no bearing on this discussion and is not even a useful straw-man.  A studio-produced alternate ending starring all primary actors in a long-running franchise, however, is a notable addition.  I will accept the consensus, but as the original poster I feel that the section should stay visable on the article while a consensus is reached.  Please do not remove it (WP:3RR). Rapier1 (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in my experience, when asking for consensus, the page is reverted to whatever it was before the disputed material was added. This will be the last time I revert though, to avoid triggering an edit war. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 21:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Ending "unneeded"? 

message: There is a disagreement over a minor addition to this page concerning the inclusion of information regarding an alternate ending.  My position is that it is germain to the article, User:thejadefalcon believes it is not necessary for the reader to understand the plot.  Both of us are willing to abide by a consensus, so I'd like some discussion of the issue.  Thanks!  Rapier1 (talk) 22:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See the above section for the discussion. This is the section of the article in question. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 22:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Jade! Rapier1 (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it deserves a mention somewhere.  I know it can be reliably sourced, so referencing is not an issue.  I am not 100% sure if it necessarily should be in the "plot" section (it was not a part of the theatrical film), but I don't see a problem with it being mentioned in the article. LonelyBeacon (talk) 00:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I personally think it is unnecessary. Movie plots generally concern themselves with the theatrical release, and this is purely a DVD extra. If we're going to add this, we might as well list every deleted scene, because let's face it - it isn't really what I would define as an alternate ending, in so much as it doesn't change where the film ends up in terms of plot, it's just a scene that was removed that would have been at the end of the movie. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 00:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed that in the 'Production' section all the deleted scenes are listed. Move it there. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 00:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with putting it in "Production" but the section needs to be reworked to flow as prose.  MOS:FILM#Home media says, "If supported by filmmaker or third-party analysis, descriptions of deleted scenes included with the release should be placed in the "Production" section; the reason for the footage's removal is the relevant element, not the medium."  So if we are to mention this scene, we need to substantiate it with context. Erik (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: Helm Officer Branson is played by Michael P Owen. The link on the front page takes you to the English footballer Michael Owen.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.85.80 (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helm Officer Branson  

message: I am thinking about making this a Good Article. There are a few things we still need to work on;
*Lead section: needs to be expanded to three or four paragraphs.
*Production section: needs to be expanded and split into subsections (i.e. Development, Design, Writing, Effects, Props and models, Costumes and Makeup, Music)
*Reception: needs to be expanded with critical reviews and box office results.
All are welcome to assist in this process. Any other suggestions will also be appreciated. Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preparation for GAC 

message: Why don't the credits list Tom hardy? 67.140.201.5 (talk) 01:05, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He's listed in Cast. DonQuixote (talk) 01:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Hardy 

message: @David Fuchs removed a line about a script for a fifth TNG film, as the source wasn't very good. Here's the source of that source, an interview with Patrick Stewart for StarTrek.com. I suspect David Fuchs knew this, and still took it out because it's trivial. Should it go back in? 70.163.208.142 (talk) 13:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, didn't know that. The article didn't have a link to the interview or signpost where it was from, so thanks for finding. It would probably be good for due weight considerations to see if the interview was covered anywhere more reliable than the removed source and wasn't the StarTrek.com site, since that would give a better indication of whether its worth mentioning, but I don't see an issue with the article at current including the facts. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's funny, Screen Rant and Heavy released articles explicitly about it a few days ago. The Heavy article cites the dead Airlock Alpha source, so it makes me think it was referencing this Wikipedia article. Anyway, I'm fine either way. 70.163.208.142 (talk) 09:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed line about fifth film