Talk:Jordan Waring

message: Was 1996 the year that you were nominated? I've had a look here, but I think that's just the three finalists. One problem, though, is that this section says that many people claim to be nominees by entering, and the Pulitzer website says something similar - did your entry go any further than this stage? Bob talk 15:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pulitzer Prize]]

message: I have restored the "autobiography" tag for these reasons:
#Virtually all of the substantive content has come from the subject. (A few other editors have made copy-edits while not adding any new content.)
#There still are statements in the article that presumably came from the subject (where else could they have come from?) that are unsourced.
#Even when statements are sourced, when the subject is the person selecting them, he naturally will only select those sources that portray him in a favorable light.
In other words, the fact that there are sources does not mean the article is NPOV. It only means that the article's lack of neutrality is better concealed. The editor who proposed removing the tag apparently confused autobiography with lack of sources. A sourced article is still autobiography when the subject has done most of the writing.
Has Jordan Waring ever received unfavorable reviews? I suspect so: anyone reviewed at any frequency will receive negative reviews sometimes. But when only Waring himself is adding content, it's a safe bet that, if negative reviews exist, we'll never see them. Marc Shepherd 20:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect to Marc, I believe he is neither correct nor justified in his assertions that  this article is autobiographical, although much of the content was entered by the subject (myself). While it is true that most of the substance of the article came from me, I was merely quoting sources from articles, FULLY referenced, about my works and life. I think to call that autobiographical is very disingenious. The NPOV of the article is, in my view, not really disputable, and Marc is taking a position that is simply not supported by fact or evidence. I propose that the autobiography tag be removed, and would ask an administrator to please settle this debate once and for all. Although I entered this data, I did not write it. That means, simply put, it is not autobiographical, save some filler data (readily attainable). If it will settle the argument, I would be happy to remove the very few items that are not DIRECT quotes from reviews and biographies, in other words, with no contributions from myself. 
As far as negative reviews, please feel free to enter any you can locate, Marc. Jordanwaring 10:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autobiography 

message: I have removed the Autobiography tag for the following reasons:
1. All substantial material on the page was NOT authored by Jordan Waring (myself). Therefore, it does not qualify as an Autobiography.
2. All substantial material is sourced and readily available on the internet for independent verification.
3. Just because someone enters information into Wikipedia (or any other online encyclopedia for that matter) doesn´t mean they wrote it. I can´t take credit for writing ANYTHING online that I quote, otherwise it´s plagarism. In order for this to be an autobiography, I would have to have been the author of the material. 
4. SUBSTANTIAL revisions to the article have been done by other wikipedians, including additional sources. 
Lastly, I will add that Marc Shepherd continues to go against other users who have made additions or changes to this article, and stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the edits and removals of even an administrator. I would suggest that if this continues, user be discontinued from having editing ability for this article. Can we please get an administrator involved? Jordanwaring 13:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do Not Remove the Autobiography tag.  Mr. Waring, although I have assisted you in finding web references for some of the material on your page, much of it is NOT reliably sourced.  Do not threaten editors on Wikipedia.  Shepherd makes extensive contributions to Wikipedia.  You, on the other hand have contributed only your own autobiography and your father's and information to your Grandfather's biography.  The statements you make above are mostly untrue:  1. You are the source of the information for this article.  2.  To the extent that you quote favorable reviews of your work, we cannot see if these quotations are characteristic of most of the reviews of your work.  3. It is NOT true that all the information is available on the internet.  I have been asking for weeks for you to merely tell me what city The Harbinger is published in, but you have neglected to do so.  Your conclusions in "3" above are not correct.   It appears that you have only produced a few substantial, reviewed works of composition, and none in over 10 years.   Your continued postings to the talk pages about this article hurt your case.  If Mr. Shepherd renews his AfD application, I will be forced to vote to Delete this article because of your failure to tell us the city where the Harbinger is published.  -- Ssilvers 14:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven´t threatened anyone, including Mr. Shepherd. Please tell me what parts of the article are NOT reliably sourced. While Marc Shepherd may make substantial contributions to Wikipedia, that does not mean that he is right in his statements above. An administrator removed the Autobiography tag, so did other users, and for some reason you and Marc Shepherd seem to be bent on restoring it. I am sorry for not answering where the Harbinger is published (Mobile Alabama). I have applied to have the article blocked from editing until this dispute is resolved. Jordanwaring 14:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If you leave the autobiography tag pending the administrator's further advice, I will refrain from making further edits.  Thanks for the info in The Harbinger.  -- Ssilvers 14:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Although I believe that the version we should use is the version edited by Wikipedia Administrator Blanning, in the interests of averting a more headaches, I will leave it for now pending intervention. I have requested this article be suspended from edits pending Admin intervention. Jordanwaring 14:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop bolding "Wikipedia Adminstrator" as if it's important. My removal of the tag was done as an editor and is no more binding than anyone else's edit. However, I support Mangojuice's reasoning for removing the tag (see below). --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies to you and bold removed. Sorry for the violation of etiquetteJordanwaring 15:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Autobiography tag 

message: Has the dispute over neutrality been sufficiently settled? If not, can those who feel there are parts in the article not NPOV point them out so that other users can address them? Thanks Jordanwaring 15:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question has just been asked.  Normally on WP, editors should be given a few days to respond.  After all, it took you several weeks to respond to my repeated requests for information about the Alabama newspaper quote.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 17:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken. Thanks and kind regards 88.11.43.194 17:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: I have flag this page for deletion because there is nothing notable about this person. --Eezurr (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion