Talk:Styx (band)

message: I'd like to add a video interview with Dennis DeYoung to external links. He is speaking about Styx and band dynamics. Here is the interview. Ammosh11 20:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent interview.  I believe it will bring a lot of people together who believe that DDY is Styx or that Tommy/JY are Styx.  Styx is a BAND; always has been, always will be.--Bamadude 23:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: I was curious about the backing vocals contributed by John and Chuck as they are always credited yet never much spoke about. I saw the Pieces of Eight tour twice and the Cornerstone tour and remember that the backing vocals that Styx produced was even better than the recordings which still remain stunning. I can remember reading that George Martin was even more taken by the vocal blend of the Bee Gees voices than the Beatles simply because of their genetic link which meant the physical structure of their vocal chords was much closer than those of John, Paul, George, and Ringo. This is not to say anything contrary to the stunning beauty of the Beatles however whenever I listen to the recordings of Styx I wonder about the effect of having siblings singing in harmony. Just listen to power of the Cowsills wall of sound for example. 
I have never heard any comments about the vocal contributions of the brothers however I imagine that their genetic link could be an understated power center of the harmonies. Anyone who heard them live had to admit that the beauty of Styx' harmonies was very unique, powerful and had a character not fully able to be captured by a recording device. The analog synthesizers that Dennis played also had this quality.
Any comments?      — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.50.182.182 (talk) 11:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Chuck and John's backing Vocals

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message: Mrs. Gore's first public appeal on the subject of music lyrics came in response to hearing her daughter playing the song "Darling Nikki", which was released in 1984.  She co-founded the PMRC in 1985.  So while her inclusion in the Paradise Theater section is appropriately written, her inclusion in the Kilroy Was Here section is not.  "Heavy Metal Poisoning" was released in 1983, and likely written in 1982, at a time when I'd venture to guess James Young had never heard of Tipper Gore.  While it's understandable that her name became shorthand for a certain type of parental response to music among those who found it hysterical and overbearing, it's unencyclopedic to name-check her in a case where that response came from others, at a time when she had not yet felt moved to form the PMRC.  That the PMRC would cite the band and the rumor of backward-masking in 1985 likely had something to do with a conclusion based upon the etymology of the band's name (as DeYoung is cited as inferring), but more to do with the fact of rumors that had been circulated by the religious right and others some years earlier.  For the record, I have loved the band since childhood; I voted for Al Gore; I think the allegations of Satanism against the band were the result of ignorance; I enjoy the ironies of the intentional backward-masking on "Heavy Metal Poisoning"; and I think the effort to develop a ratings system for music is noble from the standpoint of society, vitally important from the standpoint of parenthood, counterproductive from the standpoint of censorship, and obtrusive (though not oppressive) from the standpoint of artistic creativity.  While my first reaction to the PMRC was to scoff, if not chafe, maturity has brought me to see it from other angles.  There are statutes governing what the other four senses can experience prior to a certain age, and profanity and "mature themes" are subject to ratings in film; say what you will about that, but music is a notable omission. Abrazame (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The bigger question here is, where's the beef(y references)?  You can't accuse groups or people of anything without some references, and the only Wikipedia link between Styx and the PMRC seems to be a link from the PMRC article to a dubious webpage that mentions none of the specifics claimed here.  For now I've added some citation requests and made some other trims, but this entire section will go shortly if some refs aren't added.  Jgm (talk) 12:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That you see my attribution of "religous right" as the irresponsible accusation when both the point of the historical controversies and the mention in the article was that it was they who were accusing Styx of things—and that you immediately erased it without debate—is an irony I think Young, DeYoung and co. would appreciate.  A reference request tag is something I see you're familiar with by your use of one elsewhere in your recent edits here.  It's neither the mark of a good editor nor Wiki policy to simply delete things which you merely suspect may not be accurate, or which political correctness or subjective interpretation causes you to see a red flag in.  Though of course it was not part of their "Filthy Fifteen", the PMRC did reference Styx in their crusade—two or three years after the Kilroy album, which is why I removed the second reference to Tipper Gore but not the first (as the first reference was written with factual accuracy).  It is a matter of record, and if you or I can't find it online in ten minutes, maybe someone else interested enough in the issue being properly addressed here to track that down (or familiar enough to know what to cite without research), if you'd just tag it and note your request on the talk page here.  Styx wasn't merely smeared with allegations, they were inspired to take the time, effort, creativity, and risk to create a concept album and stage show about it, so this article is certainly an appropriate place to write about this issue, especially as that show figured heavily in the band's breakup.  The more important issue, both contextually and chronologically (as the references were in sections about 1981 and 1983 compositions) is not the PMRC facet some see as a self-fulfilled prophecy (ergo the double mention), but the real model for the "Majority for Musical Morality", which was the name of the fictional fascists in DeYoung's satire.  He knew he wasn't dealing with Rhodes Scholars either in the target of his satire or his target audience, so he didn't craft a name too remote from the source of his chagrin, the Moral Majority.  Right-wing religious activist Jerry Falwell (whom I did not name check in my edit, but who deserves mention more than Tipper Gore for the subject in question) was indeed a part of the religious right, and the period in question (1981) was indeed a time of ascendancy for Falwell's fame and political influence.  The Moral Majority was a powerful, well-funded, right-wing, political lobbying group.  By my mentioning that, I was not sniping at a sweet congregation of church people nor was I conflating the rumors of a smattering of individuals who held vague suspicions.  The group emerged from a crumbling coalition in the late '70s with a more defined agenda and more determined and focused strategies for their multi-pronged approach, and are historically credited with getting Republican Ronald Reagan the evangelical vote to assume the presidency in that year, despite the fact that he was a Hollywood actor and governor of California (otherwise not elements seen by such a group as sympathetic to their values), while incumbent Jimmy Carter was a former wartime Navy Admiral and a born-again Christian.  These are historical facts, not opinion.  And this may seem to some visiting the Wiki page of Styx to be tangential, but the context in which society and culture tussles across the political, religious, societal, artistic, capitalistic and commercial levels is precisely the subtext Styx was dealing with in many of their songs over several years, although never so directly as during this period which, simmering previously, caught fire with "Snowblind" and culminates in the Kilroy extravaganza.  The band's work was not merely the product of the times they operated in but in some way influenced the times as well, as evidenced by the controversy they found themselves caught up in for several years running.  I have to not only assume that you and the other editor are not familiar with the issue but that you're not terribly interested with becoming so ("this entire section will go shortly" has a detached paternalism that may seem to some like the preferred style for an objective Wiki editor, but seems to me to be subjective in its overvaluation of the appearance of objectivity at the cost of accuracy which clearly would result in a worse article here, not a better one), but here is a New York Times article dealing with precisely these historical facts in precisely this context (the Kilroy tour) for anyone who is interested.  Further, the Wiki article to read on the subject is not the PMRC article but the well-referenced article on backmasking, which not only addresses the context of the religio-political atmosphere of the time accurately, but gives a snappier quote (that one may be an opinion on my part) from James "JY" Young than the one you removed by DeYoung [although DeYoung's quote addressed the stigma their name held with such groups]).  As I'm not interested in starting a revert war and was simply trying to make the article more accurate by changing a string of a mere half-dozen words or so (and perhaps I am motivated somewhat by the hope that someone whose intention is to be a better editor will be moved to reevaluate their MO), I will leave it to you or others to unwhip your vanilla butter, or leave it here to congeal and sour the article until it is removed if you still see fit. In other words—and I only press these points because of your evolving elucidation of philosophies—are such "trims" as yours motivated by a desire to carry out the enforcement of rules, or an honest interest in presenting salient truth clearly and in proper context? Because, to go back to the stance you present above in regard to my edit, my assertion that it was the religious right who objected to Styx et al would not be seen by the Moral Majority or the current incarnations of the religious right as an accusation against them.  They would see it as a point of pride; it was one of their raisons d'etre. Because of that, I thought it was obvious enough a point to be inserted without citation, and am quite surprised to find it removed twice in one day. Abrazame (talk) 02:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As the person responsible for the first delete, my apologies. I didn't notice the explanation on the talk page before reacting to the edit which took a well-defined individual and group and replaced it with a more generic group giving the appearance of a politically or religiously-motivated agenda. But after reading your discussion and reviewing the various links, I see that you are correct. And certainly citations would be ideal, as Jgm points out, but I don't think the lack of them invalidates the section in the article. It was, after all, a major issue with the band as pointed out regarding Snowblind and Kilroy. Perhaps a brief reference in the main article could lead to a lengthier discussion on the page for the album itself. McJaje (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

text: And, whew.  Not sure I absorbed everything from that slab of a paragraph, but to address what appear to be questions about my edits and their intents: 
* I have no agenda other than clarity, conciseness, and verifiability.  
* I have left the statement that Paradise was a target of the PMRC with a request for citation.  The NYT article you point to is a good one and should be cited somewhere if it has not been, but it does not call out the PMRC (just saying the "religious right" which seems closer to McJaje's approach).  I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just pointing out that controversial or accusatory statements need to be referenced.  
* "Tipper Gore's PMRC" is not an acceptable usage in my view.  Those who want to understand the history and makeup of the PMRC can go to that (linked) article.
* I shortened quotes in the interest of staying on topic and readability.  If you think a longer quote is more appropriate in any spot I'd be glad to discuss here.  All quotes are supposed to be referenced, by the way.  Jgm (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tipper once for me 

message: They played a concert here last night, and didn't do Mr.Roboto. Other people said they'd been to previous concerts, and they didn't play it then either. Does anyone know, if they just don't play it any more since the CD came at a bad time for them? Cantras 129.186.26.165 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr Roboto

message: Let me be clear from the onset, I'm not a large fan of this band. I removed the claim regarding the purported "anti-Asian" material simply because it was unreferenced and to me had the clear earmarks of a violation of WP:OR cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Original Research 

message: I changed the name of Dennis DeYoungs hit from the Karate Kid 2. The article originally said it was "Thia is the Time", but the hit song from Karate Kid 2 was "The Glory of Love".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afailing (talk • contribs) 00:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solo hits 

message: Happy Halloween. Record companies displacement. King Crimson 101. relate?75.201.119.66 (talk) 19:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styx I Robot 

message: I replaced the phrase "known for meteorically popular hit songs" with "known for the popular hit songs" in the introduction.  Not hating on Styx or anything, but it's a pretty loaded description, especially when none of the listed songs hit #1 on the charts.  Plenty of more popular songs out there historically and a handful more at the time, so let's keep the terminology more neutral. James A. Stewart (talk) 05:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Arguing the accuracy of the adverb "meteorically"? Now that's just plain ridiculous. How successful Styx's songs were is irrelevant to the point, since "meteorically" is a very unencyclopedic term, and frankly just sounds silly in the statement in question.--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed loaded term from introduction 

message: Why is this linked on the Styx page? Styx is not featured on the List of best-selling music artists page at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.84.196 (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of best-selling music artists? 

message: Is that correct? Extra vocalist? Opening act, then headliner? Varlaam (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennis DeYoung and Styx in Mexico 

message: Doesn't anyone have a photo of Styx?  You know, that band from the 70s and 80s that sold millions of records, not the touring act from 30 years later?  DFS (talk) 17:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: Some Styx material features in the broadway musical 'Rock of Ages'. This is surely worth including?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angstpristine (talk • contribs) 12:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock of Ages Musical 

message: There seems to be some confusion between the infobox and personnel section as to when Styx officially "formed", with some reference to 1961 (as the year that the Panozzo's and DeYoung started working together) and 1972 (when the band officially became known as Styx.
In the interest of uniformity only one year should be considered for use on the page in the respective sections where such complications arise. Although there are arguments in favour of both cases, I would argue in favour of 1972, for two reasons:
1. Firstly, in 1972 a complete lineup of Styx existed, whereas in 1961 (and for several years after) only three of the 'founders' were involved in the band.
2. More importantly, if Styx formed in 1961, that would make Tom Nardini a member of Styx, and would mean his name should be featured in the infobox, as under Wikipedia's musical artist infobox guidelines (which can be found at Template:Infobox musical artist) it is stated that the 'past members section of the infobox should feature "...past members of the group, listed in order of joining with no other notation than names". It's been a while since I last visited this page but I'm pretty sure most editors are, rightly or wrongly, against Nardini's inclusion in the infobox (and the other respective sections for that matter).
Does anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?
Kind regards, 86.164.7.122 (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formed in 1961 or 1972? 

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message: Arena rock is not a genre. It refers to hard rock designed to be performed live. The Mo-Ja'al (talk) 17:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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