Talk:Marshall Rogers

message: The Steve Englehast page, and Englehasrt's official site, say that he wrote Detective up to 476. -- Beardo 16:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detective Comics 

message: Added some minor edits with a consolidated reference.
Thanx!
Panix comics (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Page needs a clean up and clearer writing

message: Someone want to re-work this so the covers are examples of his style rather than a decorative gallery?
Thanks - J Greb 22:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: ::::::The first thing I would ask is why remove the last part of the WP:LEAD, which is supposed to encapsulate that for which a subject is notable. The phrase and the sentence you removed ("...in the 1970s, particularly as one of the  illustrators of Batman and the Silver Surfer. In addition, Rogers illustrated one of the first graphic novels, Detectives Inc. (1979).") are both factual, contextual and in perspective.
:::::::Just to show good faith, the lead sentence(s) needs to be a summary, but that doesn't mean it needs to be a run on sentence, difficult to read, or contain frivolous information.  The focus here is to tell the reader what is significant about Marshall Rogers and it doesn't need to include all his accomplishments.  Good editing always trims what is not needed in order to accomplish its goal.  The details of this would follow.  Now, I tried to edit around what was already written, so I don't necessarily get a result I would use myself.  I compromised.  Otherwise, the introduction would be more encapsulating, and outline any awards he might have received and his core accomplishment.  I don't know what awards he might have won.  Maybe I should ask his wife or co-workers who are still around.  But a generally good rough lead in paragraph should looks something roughly like:
::::::::Marshall Rogers (born date, death date),  was a well renown comic book artist, and comic book creator who, who worked for DC, Marel and independent publishers.  He was most active during the decades of the 1970s and 1980s.  In that time, he won xyz awards and recognition by his peers, and he is most closely remembered for his collaborative efforts with xyz and abc, with the Batman (Batman has a the, like the Bronx). 
::::::::I took the other points out of the intro because Rogers because it wasn't needed here.  His Silver Surfer work was particularly not defining of him as a creator.  He made his name first and foremost for the Batman work he did.  Just as Gil Kane is know for Green Lantern, and Steve Ditko is knows for Spider-man, and Neil Gaiman is known for the Sandman, Rogers is known for his Detective Comics run. If he was Jack Kirby, you would need a longer list, "Being the artistic arm that launched Marvel Comics silver age and was most famous for his co-creation of the the Fantastic Four and and Captain America... but for Rogers, he is most associated with the Batman.  When I saw the addition of the Silver Surfer, I just removed them both since they are covered by the fact that he is an artist who works for DC and Marvel..and the details are to come.  But if you are going to mention any specific work, he was known for his Batman work.
:::::::And that is more or less all that is needed.  On a separate point, there is no reason to get hung up on the description of NYC.  One should never write
:::::::XYZ was born in the Gunhill section of the borough of the Bronx in New York City, NY, or some variation of that.  It is enough to say, XZY was born in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, if the neighborhood is important, or just Brooklyn NY.  You don't want to clutter the sentence with unessential information that detracts from the meaning of the sentence.  It was also, IMO, important for those not familiar with the NYC suburbs to know that Ardsley is a wealthy NYC suburb in Westchester.  That would not be common knowledge and it says something about his upbringing.  I agree that the date of birth is not necessary here but it gives a specific meaning to the circumstances of his birth and how he was raised.  Queens in the 1950's is a specific time and place, and not the same as Queens in 2018.  Also, the sentence needs to be readable, and that just seemed like a good way to launch into the paragraphs details, rather than just vomiting all up all the stats at the user, and let them parse it out for themselves.
Panix comics (talk) 06:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: ::::::Secondly, there are both grammatical and MOS errors in your sentence "Rogers Born in Flushing, Queens, NY on Jan. 22, 1950,but grew up in upstate suburb of Ardsley, N.Y." I don't believe that sentence should replace the extant "William Marshall Rogers III was born in the Flushing neighborhood of the New York City borough of Queens, and raised there and in Ardsley, New York." (The birth date is in the lead, and repeating it here is fine, if not usually done, if you'd like to add it.)
::::::::You are correct.  That sentence needs a rewrite:
::::::::"Rodgers was born in Flushing Queens, NY on January 22, 195, but grew up the Westchester suburb of Ardsely, NY"  Using his formal name is not needed, and clumsy.  It is mentioned once at the top.  We can use the NY Times protocol and call him Mr Rogers... assuming Fred Rogers hasn't reserved that name of all Rogers for all time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panix comics (talk • contribs) 13:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What are your thoughts? --Tenebrae (talk) 03:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

text: What in the RFC seems not neutral to you?
173.52.38.97 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar and second paragraph

message: With the stall in the discussion, I've put the improvements back and I welcome any corrective edits to the spelling and grammar.  I am still willing to address any of the changes, and make or agree with adjustments as per discussions.  My main goal is to ease readability, improve some basic left out facts, and to organize more in line with all other biographies.  Thank you
Panix comics (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Replaced improvements

message: I have asked Panix comics on his talk page not to edit my comments by changing my subhead and by confusingly inserting his comments within my own. He blatantly added a subhead ("refusal to collaberate" [sic]" above one of my sentences ("What are your thoughts?") that he deliberately separated from a larger post. 
As well, I missed being on this talk page for exactly one day, after User:C.Fred urged us to collaborate, and my attempting to do so and asking for his thought, and for my being absent a single day he accused me of refusing to collaborate and unilaterally reverted to his contentious, poorly written and non-MOS version with the barely comprehensible edit summary "RFC and refusal to colab or discus." [sic].
I think any experienced editor reading the discussion on this page will agree Panix comics and his apparent IP address 173.52.38.97 are behaving badly. It's time to begin an ANI. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Panix comics, it turns out, has been blocked indefinitely as a  sock of User:Mrbrklyn, who himself had been blocked for a month for extensive sock-puppetry a couple of days ago. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Panix comics' behavior 

message: in a Mister Miracle comic drawn by him, there is a use of the word "Eclipse" as a story name, with a stylized logo of the word. its remarkably similar to the Eclipse comics logo. pretty sure marshall designed it then. but have no evidence for this found.50.193.19.66 (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Eclipse logo