Talk:Marid

message: even though Jinn are mentioned in the Qur'an, their powers and so on aren't mentioned.
There are verses that state that either Jinn, demons or devils used to go near the heavens to spy on God and his intentions and were "rewarded" punished by comets.
 Al-Jinn(72:8)  ‘And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.(comets)
9. ‘And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
Al-Hijr (15:18): Except him (devil) who steals the hearing then he is pursued by a clear flaming fire.
As-Saaffat (37:10): Except such as snatch away something by stealing, and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness.
Marid is mentioned in Sûrat As-Saaffat (37:7)
:" And to guard against every rebellious devil." Where Marid usually in arabic, (I'm fluent in Arabic) means rebellious.
----
I can cite various sources about the Occoult and Muslim mythology, problem is that when it comes to Occoult books they're usually 50 pages of spells and rituals, many of the ones I read are in Arabic and other foreign lanuages.(burn this kind of inscence on a certain date and time, summon....... or  the king of the tribe, his name is:...., say I command you in the name of:... Usually a higher spirit (the king of the tribe or an Angel) to do such and such), and as common in mythology, it's usually MYTH, and accounts differ. Or according to some, the sorcer ommits or changes key elements to guard his secrets. I'm quite comfortable with the edits and would welcome any debate.
--The Brain 22:09, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re Jinn an Islam 

message: What are these so-called "sorcery books"? Can a more specific reference be given?
The only place where I've heard that genies come in four types that correspond to the four classical elements is in the Dungeons & Dragons game. According to Islam, aren't they all made of smokeless fire?
: The books I'm talking about aree in Arabic and I reaad them in   Cairo, Egypt when I grew up magic and sorceeery books are not really "reference" But that's what thre books say (usually a cheap $3 book you buy)أاغزالى is a prolific author
::Can I at least have a title of one of these books? I'm somewhat familiar with Al-Ghazali, but I've not come across this. Quite honestly, the lack of willingness to say anything makes me think it's made up.
:::I read this stuff when I was 14, 20 yras ago, when i was into magic, so we agree that Al-Ghazali wrote magic books (Also it might be a different Al-Ghazali) , honestly I remember that they come in four kinds and Lived in water, earth, air and fire... by name I don't remember. Not trying to escape questoning here.--The Brain 11:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it doesn't have a place on wikipedia
In "The Key of Solomon", Solomon refers to spirits he is attempting to conjure hiding in water, earth, air and fire. Granted this work was written by a european in all probability, but it does have roots to hebrew and arab sources. 
one should diferenciate between what a guy like him and what the qur'an says, you can have a subtitle that says Marid according to sorcery books I no longer remember which is which, but see Jinn in the occult, that's true from sorcery books I'vee read--The Brain 22:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I wonder if these elemental references to ifrit and marid in these arabic sorcery/occult books are actually mistranslations/associations of fire and water elementals called salamanders and undines. -- Omokage 18:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorcery books? 

message: "Marid" is Arabic for "giant", it is indeed a type of djinn. They are said to be the most powerful and very arrogant.
I came across a website that says Marids are a tribe of sea spirits known to inhabit oceans and waters ways and are feared by fisherman in certain parts of the world. This sounds a bit dubious since most people familiar with Jinns know they are beings made from fire. Can anyone please reconcile for me how beings made from fire live in the oceans. 
http://aliftheunseen.com/the-five-types-of-jinn/
11/17/2016 Dawud13 (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  is marid a jinn? 

message: First of all I'm sorry for my bad englih, because i'm foreign people. If we talk about djinn, our references should be from Al-Qur'an and hadist. That's true that their powers is not mentioned in Qur'an but it's mention on hadits. One of the hadits told that Ifrit ever tried to attack prophet Muhammad using firebolt it happen at Isra' Mi'raj.
Another hadits told as that the djinn could represent their body and can see by human as animal forms. Sometimes they become snake, in hadits from Al-Bukhari one the type of this djinn killed people, when that people came back from Khandaq war to his house. Sometimes they become dog, every djinn could transform theirself into a dog, include satan. To distinguish another djinn transformation with satan just see the color of the dog. Satan always become a pure black dog. That also mentioned on hadits but I forget the hadits from who.... 
Also in Al-Bukhari hadits it's mentioned that the djinn generally divided into three types. First is the djinn who live in the earth, they almost similar with human, second the djinn on his entire lifetime just float between the earth and the sky, and last is the winged-djinn that live on the sky. Satan is also one of the djinn race, and this race then divided again into many races include Ifrit, Izib and much more races. Hadits also told that they have magical power, they could use that for disturbing human life and even to kill human beings.
Ibnu Qoyyim Al-Jauziyah a great Moslem scholar in one of his book called this power as ain wal jinny. They also could bring people to the their realm and dimension, also in hadits prophet Muhammad ever disappear, when he come back tomorrow he told to his follower that he went to djinn world, those djinn brought him. They are from Basrah(Iraq), what a great power because on that time prophet Muhammad in Madinah(Saudi Arabia), very long distance. Those djinn interested on Islam that's the reason why they bring him to their dimension. After prophet Muhammad taught those djinn about Islam, they returned him home.
That hadits also told that djinn have a social institution like human-beings, an intelligent creature with magical power. They also could eat in the same way of human, I mean they eat human food. But if they touch for example the bone of a cow, that bone could become meal again then they eat it, may be beacuse they have magical power so they can do that.
Remember one thing the djinn could tranform their body into every kind and in many hadits told sometimes they transform himself into human. Sometimes they become lizzard, cats, dogs, snake etc. And if they like one of the kind of this body may be they don't want to change it again. That's true their basic elemental power is fire but consider their magic power, there's a possibility that they change their element into another one such as water, earth, wind etc eventhough it just my assumption.
Once again I'm sorry for my incompleteness, i will read that book again and complete the references.
The ancestor of djinn is called Jan, he created from the burning flame of the hell....
:First of all, you don't really talk about marids, and second, why are the Quran and hadith the only acceptable references? That's biased.
::I'd add the relevant stories of 1001 Nights but what else would you propose to use?  As beings with their origins firmly in the Arab and Persian lands, I don't know what you'd use other than sources from those areas.  It's not bias, except in favor of correctness.  71.210.248.144 20:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Also, please sign your comments, even if you don't have an account, by putting four tildes (this symbol ~) afterwards. I think we should officially vote on the move proposal. MasterGrazzt 15:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mohamed ElGhazaly I think wrote books on this topic. Maybe another Ghazaly. But I read books by him.
--The Brain 03:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marid 

message: DEAR SIR/ MADAM,
The word "Marid" Comes from Arabic word "Maradah", means rebellious
In Sura As-Saaffat:7 (37:7): And to guard against every rebellious (Marid) devil.
Cheers and Regard
 
Sincerely 
Human Not Jinn Brother16:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marid means Rebellious  

message: The Marid in popular culture article doesn't have enough info about Marids themselves to make it useful and is not big enough to interfere in any way with this article. Also Marids in popular culture does't seem to be a likely search term. Many other articles have the popular culture section attached to the main article.--Beligaronia (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, "in popular culture" is obviously a smaller part of Marid, which is small enough to fit it in. Greggers (t • c) 17:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Size is irrelevant, topicality isn't. The IPC section is topically a far better match for Genie in popular culture. And, since marids are a form of genie (don't let the anglicization fool you), it is compatible in content as well. Mintrick (talk) 21:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: I strongly belief that this article should be merged with Jinn. This article is not well-made, not well-linked, and too small in scope to be recognized. The mention in Qur'an doesn't help because different people interpret the Qur'an differently, some may interpret intelligently, some just plain literal. --Rochelimit (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Jinn

message: As it happens I am reading the new Pengin translation of the '1001 Nights'. Jinns, Ifrits and Marids are mentioned often. It is explicitly explained that some Jinns believe in the Prophet and God. Tale 'Abu Muhammad the Sluggard' mentions Jinn, Marad and Ifrit in the same story, so they are distinct. The Jinns (who may be Ifrits) have a Marid as a slave, and the Ifrits are able to bind a Marid, so it doesn't seem that a Marid was a very powerful Jinn.
89.168.90.197 (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 1001 Nights

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Marid. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150408021742/http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ to http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified