Talk:Jane Fonda/Archive 1

message: Here's my contribution;
Recently, Vietnamese historians have suggested that Fonda's and other activists' anti-war efforts after the Tet Offensive, which devastated the North Vietnamese forces, literally turned the tide against the American invading forces. The North Vietnamese realized that, while they were losing the war on the battlefield, they had the potential to achieve victory in the political arena within the United States itself. Thus, Fonda's trip to Hanoi is seen by many veterans of the Vietnam War as emblematic of the internal defeat experienced by the American pro-war factions. The American casualties during Fonda's activist period exceded 20,000 deaths.
It's appropriate because it's real. I have no doubt it will be deleted soon. If you are concerned about legitimate citations I suggest you go through the article with a fine-tooth comb and discover ALL the undocumentated citatations here and virtually everywhere throughout Wikipedia. Double standards are a wonderful tool of propaganda. I'm just curious, AndreaParton, how it was that within minutes of my contribution to this article you came along to question its veracity. I smell a Wikipedia conspiracy here, though I'm sure you're a very nice person after all. 69.109.124.102 16:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-War

message: Could somebody look into the edits by [User:Calstan].  He appears to have done a series of deletions which skew the bias of the article, both by removing the second point of view and adjusting the language used.  However I'm not familiar enough with the Wikipedia position on reverting and NPOV to be comfortable acting. (unsigned by User:Lod 26 October)
:I looked at the Calstan edits from 21 October. Most of the comments that were removed appear to have been mentioned by the contributor in a derisive tone (i.e. "vegetable oil-powered bus"). Further, several of the comments contained disputed interpretations, such as the distribution of FTA, described variously as abruptly pulled or suppressed. 
:If you have specific passages you'd like to discuss for inclusion, please add them here. Jokestress 17:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV edits?

message: An anon deleted the reference to the faked Fonda/Kerry photo, thus leaving the impression that any such photo people see is genuine.  In the paragraph mentioning Kerry, the second sentence should be replaced with something like: 
:Republicans circulated a photograph showing Fonda and Kerry in the same large crowd at a 1970 anti-war rally, although they were sitting several rows apart.  Some also circulated a faked composite photograph to give the impression that the two had shared a speaker's platform. 
The fake achieved wide enough currency to merit correction here. JamesMLane 19:10, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Photograph

message: Ms. Fonda is in the news currently because of the incident in which a man spit in her face at a book signing. I realize everyone loves to add up to the second information and the wiki facilitates that nicely, but I'm wondering if that's really relevant material for a person's biography. I tend to be of the philosophy that people who do things like this don't deserve to have their actions glorified, especially given that nothing came of this event other than having to wipe the mess off her face (therefore it's both irrelevant and unimportant). Before removing it I'll see what you people think. 130.207.77.64 03:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree - Danny Beardsley 08:20, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: In the news

message: Jane Fonda co-produced Captain Planet and the Planeteers?! OMFG! --Abdull 21:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Captain Planet and the Planeteers]] 

message: This page has a critic in the blogosphere ... see http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/10/the_amorality_o.php . Pcb21| Pete 15:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page has a critic 

message: I was just editing the "Acting career" section and came across huge chunks of text that had been copied were suspect.  I think I got most of it in that section, but it is something to look out for in other sections.  Sunray 08:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From where? Be careful it isn't a mirror copying from us. Pcb21| Pete 09:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The site was adoption.com.  It fooled me, as it is not a mirror and the article on Fonda was significantly different from our article, but on looking more closely I note that it does use material from Wikipedia so I guess it wasn't a copyvio.  Oh well, it probably got a better revision that way as I re-wrote it rather than just edited.  Sunray 02:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Watch for [[Copyvio]]

message: :Fonda announced that she would only make films that focused on important issues, and she generally stuck to her word. She turned down An Unmarried Woman because she felt the part was not relevant.
Anyone know when she announced this? The para sticks out a bit without a date... e.g.
:In 1977, Fonda announced...
chocolateboy 22:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This was referenced in the second edition of The Great Movie Stars (I think that was the name of David Shipman's book). He didn't give an exact date, but listed the quote from around that time. --JamesB3 22:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: When did she announce that she wanted to make worthy films?

message: Forgive me for such a silly question, but I was reading through a Wikinews article about Wikipedia's mix reviews which uses Nicholas Carr's critique as an example.  After visiting Carr's blog, I decided to look up the two articles in Question Jane Fonda and Bill Gates; he gave a verbatim excerpt of those articles; I have gone back through our edits and unfortunately I can not find where that article is; Even our first edit on Jane Fonda had more info than he states, His article says it was written on Oct. 3, 2005 yet in November of 2004 the content looked like this.  Can someone please explain this to me -- I must be missing something here, my bad.
~ RoboAction 06:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the article as it was in 2004?  It reads like a poorly written fanzine, with incomplete sentences and numerous gramatical errors.  The article remained bad until a week or two after Carr's article.  Since then, it has improved somewhat. Sunray 06:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carr criticism??? 

message: In "Hanoi Jane" it says "she expressed some regret for her actions sixteen years later, but never apologized to Vietnam veterans and their families." But four paragraphs down in "Fonda's regrets" she says "I want to apologize to them and their families." That's kind of confusing, but I think there might be a reason for it so I don't want to make the edit. --Foofy 07:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apologies 

message: Should there be something in this article about Jane Fonda's spritual views, throughout her life, and her recent statements that she is a Christian? Mokwella 23:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  Go ahead and add something on that to the article.  Sunray 08:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Journey 

message: I previously added a section to Fonda's article with quotes which affirmed her support for communism in the 1970's. Although I cited the source of the quotes, it was not long before someone added a sentence stating that the quotes were never confirmed to have come from Fonda, and not long after that before someone deleted them altogether.
I mentioned this on the talk page to establish consensus. If you think it is best not to include these quotes, we will not include them. I added them only to try to make the article more complete, not as an insult to Jane Fonda. In fact, I am a communist myself, but I know that communism has historically been very unpopular, and that many people still have not forgiven Fonda for her role in the Vietnam War, and so I think it may be preferable not to include these quotes. I don't know whether Fonda still considers herself a communist, or if she ever truly did for that matter. If anyone knows, say something here.
Additionally, I would like for this to be a featured article. I think we have cleaned it up enormously since last October when Jimbo told us it was nearly unreadable, and I want to thank everyone who has helped. If anyone reading this has any disputes, complaints, suggested improvements, or other concerns or ideas regarding this article, please post them here. After all of our issues are resolved, I plan to nominate this article for peer review.
Andrea Parton 02:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prospective featured article?

message: The two words are almost mutually exclusive. If she considers herself born again, then it's very hard to believe that she's also liberal, in the way it's defined nowadays. It's possible she really did repent and receive Christ into her heart by faith, and is simply very naive about what Christianity teaches and practices. Sadly, it's also possible that she's a "nominal" Christian, and hence, not actually saved.Jlujan69
:I'm not at all certain where you're coming from. Many dedicated Christians are also liberal people and be aware that there are many more ways to be "liberal" than to subscribe a political view or movement. As to Ms. Fonda, I have no idea what "born again" and "liberal" mean to her if a personal sense, or as a matter of faith. -- Cecropia 06:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  liberal "christians"?? 

message: The main article could be improved if a word or two were added on her early years.  Which high school did she graduate from?  Did she go to her senior prom?
Where did she pick up her French?  Can she speak Spanish and German as well?  Did she study those languages in high school, or did she pick them up travelling around the world?
* Actually, I have wanted to add such a section myself. I think this article should say something about Jane's early life.  Andrea Parton 20:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jane's earliest years 

message: As you know, this article includes a table which lists Fonda's most notable films, both alphabetically and by year.  The problem with the table is that many editors do not know how to edit HTML tables and just end up messing it up.  I just reverted the edits of someone who messed up this table and I have messed it up myself before.  Maybe someone could look at this and see if something could be done.  Andrea Parton 02:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: :Recently, Vietnamese historians have suggested that after the Tet Offensive, which ended with a superior and devastating victory against the Viet Cong forces, Fonda's and other activists' anti-war efforts literally turned the tide back against the American forces.  The North Vietnamese realized that, while they were losing the war on the battlefield, they had the potential to achieve victory in the political arena within the United States itself. Thus, Fonda's trip to Hanoi is seen by many veterans of the Vietnam War as emblematic of the internal defeat experienced by the American pro-war factions.  The American casualties during Fonda's activist period exceeded 20,000 deaths. 
Until we can get some reliable sources for this opinion, I am removing this material from the article. - Ta bu shi da yu 05:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: I would guess it was a 57 mm S-60 anti-aircraft gun or a M1939 37 mm anti-aircraft gun. Does anybody have acces to some good pictures of that ant-aircaraft cannon? Mieciu K 13:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of an AA gun was it? 

message: i like that she support Newton et al but you need the references. It not that i disagree but i want to use it and i need to learn more, but we all need the source---Halaqah 12:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need more References

message: 64.162.197.70 18:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links Removed?? 

message: "L.A Rapper Mickey Avalon released a sond titled Jane Fonda in late 2006 notweworthy due to the fact that it is one of the first songs released on MySpace records." -- What does this have to do with Romantic Relationships?  Isn't this more like trivia? --Mikala Arteaga 21:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this should not be mentioned in the Romantic Relationships section.  I really don't know if it's notable at all.  Andrea Parton 01:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romantic Relationships 

message: It seems that both spellings of this word are legitimate but it seems we should standardize on a single one. When first reading the page I had thought it was vandalized till I checked to see that "dyke" was indeed a proper variant of "dike". 63.73.225.234 17:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dyke or Dike 

message: The image in the infobox needs to be replaced with one of a younger, more attractive Jane Fonda, not one of her in her 50s signing books.Fistful of Questions 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Theres something wrong with "The POW camp visits [1972] also lead to persistent stories - widely circulated on the Internet and via email [ca. 1990s]" that requires that section to be rewritten to put it into context. -Ste|vertigo 01:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  time, distance, Internet 

message: The intro paragraph claims that she has been Buddhist since 2001.  Later, under "Christianity", it claims that she became a Christian in 2001.  Which is it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.210.147.94 (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian or Buddhist?  

message: What a bunch of left-leaning POV crap. Articles like this drag down what Wikipedia aspires to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.30.129 (talk • contribs) 
Have to agree.. I love wiki but this is the same ol left justification bias.*You dont't like it? Then fix it. Mieciu K 00:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Constructive criticism of articles is what Wikipedia needs. Calling anything "crap" here serves no useful purpose. Furthermore, I don't see any bias here for her or against her, just a lot of verifiable historical information, that is commonly known by her supporters and detractors alike. T.E. Goodwin 00:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: In general, having a separate section for criticism is discouraged by the manual of style.  See Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Article_structures_that_can_imply_a_point_of_view.  So, rather than advocate the creation of a criticism section here, I think you may find it more productive to work towards bringing the criticism sections of the notable conservatives into compliance with the Wikipedia guidelines.  Of course, if you have any more specific suggestions for the present article, then I'm sure they would be appreciated.  Silly rabbit 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: Fonda’s trip to Vietnam inAugust 22, 1972, where she made the allegation that the US was attacking the Red River dyke, despite Tom Haden’s commentary, was little more than a Potemkin style show, courtesy of her tour guides. 
Although several targets on the dykes were attacked (AA artillery and the like) the US never attacked the dyke system, because had they really meant to destroy it, it would have been destroyed. The damage she saw was from non bombing related flooding, as the civilian population that would normally maintain these were involved in other war related efforts. The article Bombing of Vietnam's dikes, has more information including sources for this (among them Seymour Hersh). Torturous Devastating Cudgel 21:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fonda and the Dykes

message: whereas in the wikipedia it is stated that Henry Fonda has distant Italian ancestry. Jane herself on a several visits to the Netherlands stated that their family's roots lie in the north of the Netherlands in the Province of Friesland. The Fonda name like so many Friesian names end on -a (compare Buwalda, Wiersma etc.). Jane herself stated on one of her visits that the first name Douwe appears a lot in their family. Which is a typical Friesian first name. Also she stated that whenever she visits the Netherlands, she goes up to Friesland to trace her roots.
86.42.29.38 16:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  jane fonda's ancestry 

message: April 27, 2007
I had read on a message board that Jane Fonda visited a POW camp in Vietnam.  Soldiers were tortured there.  She shook the hands of the American soldiers being held there.  4 men slipped her their social security numbers on small bits of paper.  She immediately handed the papers over to the man holding them prisoner.  3 of the 4 men were shot and killed.  Now I didn't know anything about Jane Fonda before reading about that.  I came here to find out more.  It seems pretty important and I think the incident should be included (assuming it's factually correct). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KannD86 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article again, this urban legend is mentioned there and dismissed. See: Political activism - "Hanoi Jane" - paragraph four. VirtualDelight 16:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I still don't understand why people hate her. Isn't it universally agreed the Vietnam war was a *bad thing*?? Surely she should be a hero for protesting against it. --86.135.178.19 (talk) 02:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  her actions in Vietnam 

message: anyone know where she went to high school —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.145.27.35 (talk) 01:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  education 

message: I noticed that someone recently added a new paragraph to the "Hanoi Jane" section, someone else deleted it, and then someone else reverted the deletion, considering it vandalism.  The paragraph definitely needs to cite sources or be removed, as it could potentially be considered libelous.  Andrea Parton 16:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New paragraph

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Barbarella23.jpg

message: I took out the line about Fonda's alleged promiscuity during college. First, it was in the Acting Career section, to which it has no relevance, and second, there are no references given, which I think is essential for a statement that some would see as a negative characterization.
Mrquizzical (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged Promiscuity

message: Almost the entire "Political activism" section is in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living people  and needs to be removed immediately. I realize there should be plenty of reliable sources to cite for these items, but until those citations are included it needs to go. Anyone want to attempt to cite or should I just go ahead and delete. Thought I would ask on the talk page at least since this article is probably getting a fair share of traffic today. I also thought removing immediately would cause edit warring from those editors that might not be familiar with Wikipedia:Biographies of living people or understand that it is the responsibility of the editor adding the controversial material to cite it when initially including it.--Roswell native (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Romantic relationships section has the same problem. Not a single citation. --Roswell native (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majority of Political activism section needs to be removed as it's uncited 

message: This blacklisted domain stateuniversity.com has this page: http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/11271/Jane-Seymour-Fonda.html which is an obvious derivation of wikipedia's article Jane Fonda. Or else both pages are derivatives of a third source but that looks unlikely considering stateuniversity.com has hundreds of similar wikipedia "derivatives". So, I added an entry to Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Stu#encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com in case anyone wants to follow up. 84user (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation by blacklisted domain 

message: No mention of her marriages or children?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.247.240 (talk) 19:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriages or children

message: There is a statement in the Writing section of this article that seems to be written like an advertisement.  The article states that Jane Fonda's blog is "informative" and "fascinating."  I think a more neutral point of view is possible.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unmotivate (talk • contribs)  21:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing section - blog advertising 

message: The life time of abuse Ms Fonda has endured for her visit to Vietnam is puzzling. Many U.S. Service Men in Vietnam had Peace Symbols on their Uniforms and helmets, also slogans such as Stop The War. During demonstrations tens of thousands of Americans over the years of the War carried North Vietnamese Flags. American Service men have been found guilty of actually assisting the Vietcong during the war. They are now forgotten. Yet over and over Ms Fonda is subjected to harassment and abuse, while nothing is said of the thousands of other Americans who supported Peace during that War. Can the Wikipedia Page explain this victimisation of Jane Fonda?.Johnwrd (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not without it being original research. The fact is, this page is a frequent target of such harassment and as long as there are those who believe that Fonda did something treasonous, and nothing is published that examines this phenomenon, it will continue. I think Jane Fonda#"Hanoi Jane" covers the origins of these perceptions fairly well. It wasn't the opposition to Vietnam War that was the controversy, it was the 1972 trip to Hanoi. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

text: And that is exactly why no one wants to open those doors in a scholarly manner at this point. Feelings about it are entirely POV, not in any way a neutral opinion. And turning the discussion from covering it in the article to attempting to open a debate about it on her Wikipedia article talk page is inappropriate per WP:FORUM. She's used as a symbol for Vietnam rage. Not appropriate tangent here, Panzertank. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Calm down, Panzertank.  If you added the "Oy!" here, to your earlier comment, you weren't logged in.   Have a look.   It looked like someone else adding to your comment, and it was right to remove it.   Please just ensure you're logged in before you make an edit, and there will be no misunderstanding.  Rossrs (talk) 04:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam in context. 

message: as the assessment states "a bit of cleaning" is needed.
the current state of the article as i found it is mixing styles.  i'm sorry if i've ruffled any feathers.  i would hope that the manual undoing of ALL edits i made is not any editor's problem with WP:OWNERSHIP?  i didn't even attempt the mishmesh of the citation style.   i'll hold off on further edits for a bit. --98.113.187.11 (talk) 03:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe's there some history in the article that I'm unaware of, but at least some of IP's edits were okay. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The assessment summary comments were posted on that page in September 2006, at a time when the article was nominated for featured article, but were unsigned, so I corrected that omission. When I looked at the myriad of edits that were made at one time, there were a number of style changes that didn't make a lot of sense to me. The systematic addition/change to including a year for a film in parentheses behind the film name from most cases where the year was included as part of the flow of the text was troublesome to me. It broke the flow of sentences. This style change was so vast in the edit that I didn't see the sense in trying to go through and revise that and leave the small amount of other changes. That it was by an editor whose contributions page was only 5 days old was also a deciding factor in reverting the article. For the record, there is usually a reason when someone reverts changes and we don't particularly charge in and insinuate it is a WP:OWN issue. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA assessment - reversal (manually) of all my edits 

message: Even if the elleged incident of the Prisoner Note Passing was true, it would have been ilegal for Ms Fonda to attempt to take such a note out of the Prison. Any one who has visited High Security Prisons knows, you as a visitor are searched entering and leaving the Prison. Not just Ms Fonda, but the Guards and other Prisoners would have been punished if Ms Fonda had attemted to take any such note out of Prison. The same Rules apply in High Security United States Prisons. It is likely the Authorities in the United States would regard such an act of handing over any such note (if it ever happened at all), as complying with the agreed upon Rules of Prisoner Detention and not as an act of Treason to the United States.Johnwrd (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elleged Prisoner Note Incident 

message: Substituted at 15:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I have not read any reliable sources where Jane Fonda describes herself and being a "born-again" Christian; she simply says "Christian". There is a difference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.148.45 (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As, indeed, have most of the major denominations of Christianity and thus most of it's practitioners. AiFWww (talk) 21:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And as have most "Christian" Conservatives who have seemed to have conveniently forgotten about things like mercy for the poor and the chances of a rich man getting into heaven.108.66.54.241 (talk) 20:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep discussions about the article and the OP's question, not personal opinion of ""Chistian" Conservatives" or otherwise. Editthat18 (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Born again" Christian? 

message: An editor came through and removed the 2005 photo of Fonda :File:Jane Fonda 2005.jpg and replaced it with one from the mid-1990s :File:Jane Fonda Cannes nineties.jpg. I reverted that mostly because we tend to use more recent photos in the infoboxes and not ones showing the currently working actor from a previous decade. Another editor reverted me, saying "Bzzzt; Cannes photo is perfectly acceptable". Yeah, well, it's a photo, but it's at least 15 years old and doesn't represent Fonda as she looks today. Consider that she's still a working actor and we should present her as she looks now. Thoughts and comments please. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd respectfully say that between the 2, I prefer the shot that shows more of her face. The one from a book signing has her in dark glasses, and is taken from above, which doesn't really let you see her face so much. Perhaps there's a more current, full-face shot that doesn't violate any copyright policies? Codenamemary (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking one way to get a more current free use (or whatever you call it) image of Fonda might be to take a screen capture from any news interviews she did to promote Monster in Law or Georgia Rule, or any of her more recent activities? I was watching a documentary lately, and they claimed news footage can be used by anyone. So, maybe there isn't a difference between a screen capture from news footage, and actual news footage? Just trying to think of a solution that might make people happy. Wildhart, do you know if this might be acceptable, as per wiki rules?Codenamemary (talk) 19:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. A screencapture of a copyrighted work is still from a copyrighted work. That only legitimately works for captures from something non-copyrighted, like film trailers whose copyright status has expired. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: That is vandalism and it has been removed and the page protected from IP editing due to content additions like that. It violates WP:BLP. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox photo 

message: I'm adding information from Three_Mile_Island_accident to her article her about political activism.
Wikieditorpro (talk) 10:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition to nuclear power 

message: I have some qualms about it. Her made-for-TV movie "A String of Beads" is not listed. And "archival footage" does not count as filmography, so it should be removed. And why are her "self" appearances listed in her filmograhy? Those should be removed.Closeminded8 (talk) 20:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: Come on Liberals, wake up!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.159.105 (talk) 22:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there some reason to this comment? AiFWww (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  liberals? stop being an american centric please, bush did drugs and nobody cares (also choked on a pretzel and didn't die, sadly enough) Markthemac (talk) 05:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentions nothing of her 1970 arrest for drug smuggling?

message: During her visit to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda caused a captive, a USAID worker named Michael Benge, to be tortured for three days because he refused to co-operate in propaganda meetings with Jane Fonda.  Also, a lot has been said about the anti-aircraft gun she sat at but little is known about the piece.  It was a AZP-57 optical-mechanical computing site at the fire control position of a 57mm towed anti-aircraft gun (Soviet S-60/Chinese Type 59) of a three gun anti-aircraft battery.  Dozens of photos were taken of her smiling, laughing and clapping at the gun emplacement.  --re:  "Eyewitness Vietnam", Gilmore and Giangreco, Sterling Publishing, New York, 2006, pg. 217.  Also:  Here's something else I heard but have been unable to find any RS for:  apparently President Nixon tried to assasinate Jane Fonda twice during her visit to North Vietnam with Black Ops teams but they were unable to get close enough to her to complete the mission.  Anybody else heard anything about this or is it just an urban legend?  70.140.218.115 (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason to repeat the rumors and exaggerations, as they are rumors and exaggerations.  What she did is well documented and bad enough.  There is no reason to add rumors. Tomsv 98 (talk) 23:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The alleged anti-aircraft gun photos resulted in a "phony scandal."173.72.111.87 (talk) 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanoi Jane 

message: perhaps a link? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebe_summer I had to look up what a plebe was and what it meant. There is currently no link. This is under the "Hanoi Jane" section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.44.3 (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  usage of plebe 

message: Searching for Jane Fonda in google gives:
Jane Fonda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Fonda - Cached
Jane Fonda (born Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda; December 21, 1937) is an American actress, writer, communist, political activist, former fashion model, ...
Frances Ford Seymour - Barbarella - Ted Turner - Vanessa Vadim
but this is not in the actual Wikipedia entry, which says:
Jane Fonda (born Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda; December 21, 1937) is an American actress, writer, political activist, former fashion model, and fitness guru.
Why the disparity?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.115.27.11 (talk) 21:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Described as "communist" in google search result 

message: Added her nickname Hanoi Jane  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey9999 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That was unnecessary and non-neutral. The issue is covered in detail in the Jane Fonda#"Hanoi Jane" controversy section.   Will Beback  talk   22:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: The "Hanoi Jane" controversy cites students at the U.S. Naval Academy shouting "Goodnight, Jane Fonda", followed by "Goodnight, bitch." However, this practice has fallen by the wayside and is in fact prohibited by the Plebe Summer Standard Operating Procedures. 
Jake.compton (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Goodnight Jane Fonda" 

message: External links
*Photo gallery at CBS News
184.78.81.245 (talk) 05:32, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Rivertorch (talk) 22:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 2 July 2012 

message: Look, she maybe controversial, but even the Henry Fonda page mentions her adopted sister Amy. Needs to be added in the side bar next to her brother Peter. 143.232.210.38 (talk) 18:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her sister? 

message: there's no mention of her drug smuggling charges either. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is probably more appropriate to an article on stupid police tricks or abuse of authority than here.  Fat&Happy (talk) 19:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  drug charges 

message: According to a Variety story dated 24 Oct 2012, Fonda is going to star in a sitcom pilot to be shot for ABC, titled Now What? --173.76.62.253 (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jane Fonda to Star in ABC Comedy Pilot 

message: She is now 75 years old.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 14:17, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. Doc talk 14:33, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: It says she turned it down, but she said on Watch What Happens Live that it was a role she auditioned for and didn't get.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.46.189.100 (talk) 06:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonnie and Clyde 

message: Please change: 'For example, at the U.S. Naval Academy, when a plebe shouts out "Goodnight, Jane Fonda!", the entire company replies "Goodnight, bitch!"' 
To: In a discontinued practice at the U.S. Naval Academy, a plebe shouting "Goodnight, Jane Fonda!" was followed by "Goodnight, bitch." However, this practice has fallen by the wayside and is in fact prohibited by the Plebe Summer Standard Operating Procedures. 
Reason: This practice has been disallowed for many years, and is explicitly forbidden in Plebe Summer SOP. See: http://www.usna.edu/Commandant/Instructions/COMDTMIDNINST_3120.1J_PLEBE_SUMMER_STANDARD_OPERATING_PROCEDURES.pdf , page 5-4. 
(Note: this is a hotlink and may not be current. Search for "naval academy plebe summer standard operating procedures" for an updated link.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.69.49.144 (talk • contribs) 12 April 2013
: Done, with slight modifications to fit better with the rest of the paragraph. BryanG (talk) 16:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 12 April 2013 

message: Jane Fonda was an FBI COINTELPRO target; see The COINTELPRO Papers by Ward Churchill, which reproduces evidence obtained through FOIA. Can someone please add the appropriate category? 2001:558:6045:1D:56E:DCCB:ED9D:24EA (talk) 04:29, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: COINTELPRO target

message: the Fondas are of Frisian orgin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Frisians, of Dutc-Frisian origin to be precise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.211.162.42 (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Frisian origin

message: This sentence should be removed:  "The New York Post reported that during one interview promoting the film, "actress Jane Fonda wears 'Hanoi Jane' T-shirt".  It's in the regrets section.  It is contentious material involving a living person and as such needs to be removed immediately.
The t-shirt did not say "Hanoi Jane" and it had nothing to do with that issue.  The Post claims it is a Hanoi Jane T-shirt because that's how the Post refers to her.  Aside from being a false statement, it is used in Wikipedia to imply that she is being arrogant regarding that issue.  That's twisting the truth until it is false and untrue.  As she contends in her book, My Life So Far, which is in the bibliography, the photo on the shirt is from an altogether different incident in her life.GretDrabba (talk) 16:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree that the Post is just trying to stir up trouble, and I can't see why it would be necessary/relevant to have that comment in the article anyway. I removed it. --Loeba (talk) 17:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request -- contentious material about a living person 

message: In the opening paragraph, the article states that "she describes herself as a liberal and a feminist."  Is there any evidence that Fonda describes herself as a "liberal?"  Is there any evidence that Fonda has ever described herself as a liberal?  After some searching around, I have found no evidence for this claim and am removing it until a trustworthy source is adduced.
Wiki.correct.1 (talk) 07:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you should have looked in Fonda's own 2005 autobiographical memoir, which explicitly states on page 144, "I'm a liberal". I've reinstated the sourced information (see here).--→gab 24dot grab← 21:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Again reinstate sentence "She describes herself as a liberal (My Life So Far by Jane Fonda, Random House, 2005, page 144, "I'm a liberal")" Laughably, an editor had claimed "BLP assertions, none of which are supported in cited sources". The plainly cited source is a memoir written by Jane Fonda herself and she explicitly states "I'm a liberal". See here and here.--→gab 24dot grab← 17:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jane Fonda is a liberal?? Shocker. Quis separabit? 17:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

text: No, she doesn't "explicitly state" she's a liberal at either of those links.  If you'll read more carefully, you'll see she was quoting Vadim. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberal?

message: Henry Fonda claimed to be agnostic rather than atheist  ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be a bit of interpretation of the cited source at work here. She says she "grew up" an atheist, which only reflects her belief system, not necessarily her father's (as "was raised" implies). Some rephrasing is in order; I have a couple of thoughts, but no strong preference ("grew up an atheist"; "was an atheist when growing up"; "was an atheist in her younger days"; etc.). Comments/preferences? Fat&Happy (talk) 16:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Raised indicates her parents brought her up that way. "Atheist in her younger years" wouldn't imply her parents were necessarily so.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Raised atheist" 

message: I've been unable to find out who originally called Jane Fonda "Hanoi Jane".  Since this is what she will be remembered for, rather than her acting (one commentator when she received the AFI award remarked that she will always be remembered as a traitor rather than an actress), I think the derivation of the term "Hanoi Jane" is important.  Does anybody know who first coined the term?  --Was it a newspaper article, a TV comic, a politician?  50.202.81.2 (talk) 02:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You have that backwards. She was just one of many people who visited Hanoi in an effort to publicize and bring an end to the record-setting bombing of Vietnam, but the press took special notice of her efforts because of what she is actually remembered for: her fame as an actress (and daughter of a famous actor). Your parenthetical note provides an excellent example of why Wikipedia requires that articles be constructed from verifiable facts rather than commentator remarks.  As for who coined the "Hanoi Jane" term, I'm not sure, but it might even have been Jane Fonda herself in 1972. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hanoi Jane" Derivation 

message: "Her visits to the POW camp led to persistent and exaggerated rumors which were repeated widely in the press and continued to circulate on the Internet decades later. Fonda has personally denied the rumors. Interviews with two of the alleged victims specifically named in the emails showed these allegations to be false as they had never met Fonda."
What rumours? This needs to be explained in the article. Kombucha (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors not described 

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