Talk:Ladder match

message: Why are MITB matches not included? Unlike the TLC, it is just a regular 6-10 man Ladder match.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.244.4 (talk) 03:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  MITB? 

message: My vote is to REMOVE the house show ladder matches from the list or to begin a separate list.  My reasoning is:
1.  Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels did a SERIES of ladder matches at house shows before the first ladder match on this list (all with WWF/WWE). Bret Hart mentions this on one of his DVDs (can't remember which one).  I seem to remember Christian working some ladder matches at house shows (possibly with RVD?  Jericho?) as well.  Unless we can list ALL of these, which would be near impossible, I don't think they should be on the main list.
2.  WWE writes their own history and VERY rarely even mentions matches at house shows (unless there is a title change).  Many times, WWE will even deny these matches exist.  For example, when Undertaker and Brock Lesnar feuded back in the day, WWE billed it as the first time these guys had locked up although I had attended a house show where these two went one-on-one in a cage match just a month before that.  The series of 3/4 way ladder matches with Jeff Hardy on here just seem out of place.
Anyone have any different thoughts on this?  Great listing regardless!
On a side-note, at the TLC PPV during the Benjamin/Christian ladder match, Matt Striker noted that there had been 36 ladder matches prior to this match.  Almost 100% positive he was referencing this site at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
---Added on September 16, 2011---
I agree that WWF/WWE house show ladder matches should have their own section. Besides, why are there only 3 house show ladder matches listed and not all of them? It's not "impossible" to research all of the house show ladder matches. In fact, TheHistoryOfWWE.com has them all listed if you take the time to navigate their pages. Here is a list of WWF/WWE Ladder Matches that are missing from the list:
December 27, 1993 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Toledo, Ohio)
December 30, 1993 - (C)Razor Ramon vs IRS - IC Title (House Show - Johnstown, Pennsylvania)
January 9, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Landover, Maryland)
January 14, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - San Jose, California)
January 15, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Inglewood, California)
January 16, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Richfield, Ohio)
January 20, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Torrington, Connecticut)
January 23, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Bristol, Connecticut)
January 24, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - IC Title (House Show - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
February 20, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs IRS - IC Title (House Show - Toronto, Ontario)
February 21, 1994 - (C)Razor Ramon vs IRS - IC Title (Raw Taping Dark Match - Poughkeepsie, New York)
May 13, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Boston, Massachusetts)
May 16, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs The British Bulldog - IC Title (Superstars Taping Dark Match - Danbury, Connecticut)
May 19, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Montreal, Quebec) *TITLE CHANGE - Razor won the Title
May 25, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Edmonton, Alberta)
May 28, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Winnipeg, Manitoba)
June 2, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
June 3, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Rockford, Illinois)
June 4, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Ft. Wayne, Indiana)
June 5, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (Raw Taping Dark Match - Struthers, Ohio)
June 9, 1995 - (C)Jeff Jarrett vs Razor Ramon - IC Title (House Show - Uniondale, New York)
June 29, 2002 - (C)Rob Van Dam vs Eddie Guerrero - IC Title (House Show - New York, New York)
December 28, 2006 - (C)Jeff Hardy vs Carlito vs Johnny Nitro - IC Title (House Show - East Rutherford, New Jersey)
December 29, 2006 - (C)Jeff Hardy vs Carlito vs Johnny Nitro - IC Title (House Show - Fayetteville, North Carolina)
August 7, 2009 - (C)Jeff Hardy vs CM Punk - World Title (House Show - Denver, Colorado)
I'm not aware of any additional Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels house show ladder matches. TheHistoryOfWWE.com is a very comprehensive site that is noted all over Wikipedia as a reference and no other ladder matches between the two is listed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.98.179 (talk) 04:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing House Shows 

message: On April 13, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion.  The result was merge.  See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Hardcore match for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:15, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: VfD

message: Simple question: what the heck's the difference between them? After all in a Ladder match there are no disqualifications, therefore tables and chairs are just as legitimate as in a TLC match, and in both cases, you have to climb the ladder to win... --Dave. 22:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ladder/TLC match 

message: I reformatted the table to look like this and I think it looks a lot better. Why can't we keep it like that? Virakhvar321 15:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE matches table 

message: I don't think it should be merged. WWE lists the matches as sepreate match types, and conciders the TLC match more "dangerous". Why is it nominated for merging?Sephiroth storm 05:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A TLC match uses more weapons than a ladder match so Oppose!--Hornetman16 (talk) 06:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  'Oppose'- I actually merged the articles before but I now I see that the article turned into a mess after it so, like Hybrid said it needs it seperate article as it uses more weapons, 'AND WHO CARES IF IT USES THE DAMN LADDER IT IS A DIFFERNT MATCH TYPE ACCORDING TO WWE!'--TrUcO9311 03:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oppose- I oppose the merge as it simplifies things a bit more instead of trying to say (and this is just an example so no-one bite my head off) "the 17th ladder match & first TLC match and the 19th ladder match and the 2nd TLC match". But just to contradict what has been said so no-one can try and use this later and it makes me sound smart, the WWE released their Ladder Match DVD, and it did feature all 6 of the TLC matches that have taken place, so they do see it as a Ladder Match, but also a match on its own, if that makes sense. Masterofdestiny (talk) 11:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Why? It's on the ladder match dvd. (to tell you the truth, i did not even know that it was the first - always thought it was razor/micheals at mania 10) Diego 10:07, 09 August 2007
:Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels did in fact have the first ladder in WWWF/WWF/WWE history.  It's just that Michaels and Razor Ramon did the first televised match.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Citation Needed" on Hart/Michaels match a.k.a. match #1 

message: where is the list of WCW ladder matches coz they where their about 2 months ago.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.135.180 (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add them back to the back to the article if you are so worried.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCW 

message: No	Match                                                                                                                                   	Event, Date and Location                	Event, Date and Location	Event, Date and Location
XV	Kurt Angle defeated Chris Benoit in a Two out of three falls match†The third fall in the Two out of Three Falls match was a ladder match	Judgment DayMay 20, 2001, Sacramento, CA	                        	
Can someone please add this match to the table?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanCorb (talk • contribs) 22:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing WWE Ladder Match 

message: I've seen this match on the DVD and according to both the booklet included in the DVD and the ring announcer during the match, Matt and Jeff were "The New Brood" at the time (being managed by Gangrel)  so I'm going to go ahead and change that.  DoomsDay349 00:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terri Invitational and The Hardys 

message: You have an ECW Sabu vs Sandman ladder match listed as taking place in September of 2005. Obviously, if one did happen on that date, it did not happen in ECW.
Tommy Dreamer vs Justin Credible at Heatwave 2000 was a Stairway To Hell Match
Steve Corino vs Credible vs Sandman was a Tables, Laders, Chairs & Cains Match at Guilty As Charged 2001.
Mikey Whipreck vs Sandman in October of 1995 was a ladder match.
And I am convinced that Dreamer and Credible had a Stairway to Hell Match, but I am not 100% certain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.186.87 (talk) 05:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong date or wrong promotion and other ECW ladder matches 

message: What about the match Bo Dallas vs Adrian Neville on NXT Arrival?  — Preceding Mr.Davidovic14 comment added by Mr.Davidovic (talk • contribs) 21:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NXT? 

message: Money in the Bank Ladder match are not 1 v 1. Maybe ladder match for the Money in the Bank contract would be more accurate? Mobile mundo (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matches for the Money in the Bank contract 

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