Talk:John Jacob Astor IV

message: I have edited some numbers regarding his net worth and his sons inheritance to reflect a 1914 New York Times article.  I am not sure if the dollar amounts given in the article include the value of his stocks.
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"Astor’s body was found partially crushed and mangled. He is believed to have been hit by a collapsing funnel"<BR>
This oft repeated factoid appears to be inaccurate when compared to accounts from persons who actually saw Astor's body.  Historian George Behe has written an online article regarding the issue --Wurmis 18:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estate/Net Worth 

message: Because I recently edited this article and Madeleine Force's article, I was just asked via e-mail if the photo of the Astors was Photoshopped because it looks unrealistic. Strangely, I know the answer to this, and it's "no": it was manipulated, but decades before Photoshop was invented. It wasn't unusual in the 1910s for developers working for newspapers to edit photos in the darkroom; although their techniques were primitive (and usually obvious to us), the changed photos often went unnoticed at the time. This image is specifically mentioned as having been manipulated in two books on the Titanic I own. It's not the only Titanic-related photo to be manipulated in such a way, either. There's a photo of the ship itself out there that's been just as badly manipulated - it's supposed to be an image of the ship at Cherbourg with all its lights blazing, but in reality the ship reached Cherbourg long before sunset - the "lights" were created in some newspaper darkroom, I suppose to make it seem more dramatic.
I thought I'd mention this on this talk page and on Madeleine Astor's in case anyone else was wondering. --NellieBly (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: According to Children on the Titanic (2014) - a TV Documentary starring Holly Steel, Lord Astor was about to board the life boat with his wife, but he saw two children scared on deck so stepped aside for them and subsequently died as the life boat involved was the last. Is anybody able to find a citation for this?
Grez868 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: The main article states -
"Among Astor's accomplishments was A Journey in Other Worlds (1894), a science-fiction novel about life in the year 2000 on the planets Saturn and Jupiter.[7]"
Footnote 7 states -
"Foster, John Wilson (2002). The Age of Titanic: Cross-Currents in Anglo-American Culture.
In Arthur C. Clarke's "The Ghost from the Grand Banks"ISBN 0-575-04906-5 published in 1990, in its Chapter 9, in the supposed text of a letter to the Editor of The Times (penned at some time in reply to another letter published on 7 April 1915) Clarke's presumably fictional correspondent refers to J.J. Astor IV as "certainly the richest writer of science fiction who ever lived - a fact which may well mortify admirers of the late L. Ron Hubbard, should any exist." 
By way of my commentary, WHO was the richest such author attributable to their books' income, will remain a completely different matter. 
(Entirely coincidentally, and arguably irrelevantly, at this time, in December 2020, Saturn and Jupiter are visually juxtaposed closely, viewed from Earth.)49.195.225.225 (talk) 04:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  J J Astor IV - Science Fiction Author 

message: Source 34, which consists of 4 pages from Titanic: End of a Dream and is the source for much of the Legacy section, does not verify the statements in Legacy. 
"Astor's prominence led to the creation of many exaggerated and unsubstantiated accounts about his actions during the sinking of the Titanic. One story alleges that he opened the ship's kennel and released the dogs, including his own beloved Airedale, Kitty; in another, he placed a woman's hat on a boy to make sure the child was able to get into a lifeboat. Another legend claims that after the ship hit the iceberg, he quipped, "I asked for ice, but this is ridiculous." These stories appeared in newspapers, magazines, and even books about the sinking. In reality, none of the claims about Astor's actions were substantiated, as nobody who recognized him survived other than the women who boarded lifeboats relatively early on.(34) Wade wrote that the ice joke is almost certainly apocryphal, as Astor was not known for making jokes, and that the story about the hat (like many other "survivor stories" published shortly after the sinking) may have been invented by the reporter.(34)" 
p. 70-73 do not verify this. They scarcely mention John J. Astor and do not confront the rumors about his behavior before death. The ice joke is not mentioned, nor is it said that unsubstantiated rumors "appeared in newspapers, magazines and even books."
You can see for yourself here: https://archive.org/details/titanicendofdrea00wade/page/70/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/titanicendofdrea00wade/page/72/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/titanicendofdrea00wade/page/74/mode/2up 
Until a proper citation is found, I'm removing the unsourced statements from the Legacy section. Woozybydefault (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed Citation