Talk:Islam and democracy

message: Democracy = (the will of the people.)
Islamic Law "Shari'ah" = (the will of the Almighty Allah and the rights of the people.)
Big difference guys, if you think about it nicely Democracy is a Distorted Copy of Shari'ah Law, this is a fact when we go and have a look through our history books.
Shari'ah Law is as free and fare as it can be, Law is Law it has it's freedoms and it's limits.
If we compare the two systems Shari'ah is a complete system of law and therefore does not need or have any adjustment or ammendments to be made to it where as with the democratic system it constantly changes and every democratic country changes it to suit their own liking what is law in one place is not law in another. Shari'ah Law never changes so when we talk about Islamic Democracy we are talking about Shari'ah Law the official Muslim Law.
Do better research guys seriously some of you don't make sense. Islaam is an investigative religion it is only based on logical evidence, if you study religion and politics and start to view things more openly without a closed mind you actually find historical gold.
Thanks for your views there are some good points made here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.202.5.106 (talk) 08:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Democracy is a distorted copy of sharia law?  That is a joke right?  Democracy predates sharia by more than a millenium. I don't know to which history book you are referring, but it certainly isn't a history book with actual history in it.    Sharia is as "free and fare[sic] as it can be? I guess that is true if you work from the belief that Islam is intolerant and backward, which it clearly is. If you accept the fact that Islam will never treat women, homosexuals, non-Muslims, essentially anyone who is not a heterosexual Muslim man,  any better than second class citizens, then yes, I suppose sharia is as "fare" as it could be. And if you labor under the assumption that sharia will always proscribe the free practice of non-Muslim religions, and will continue to call for the execution of apostates and the taxing and subjugation of non-Muslims, then yes I suppose it will always be as "free" as it is now as well.  Islam is only based on logical evidence?  The phrase logical evidence doesn't belong in a sentence describing any religion, and that is doubly true of Islam. And calls for openness are pretty hilarious coming from an adherent of the most intolerant ideology of the past 14 centuries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.75 (talk) 07:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lets cut it clear 

message: As I look at this article, it seems that it's very unclear what the issue to be discussed/described is.  When we talk about the relationship between Islam and democracy, there are two separate questions being conflated (thus the confusion and argument about the page).
The first question is a matter of doctrine/philosophy.  Is Islam compatible with the tenets of liberal democracy?  It's not as though there's a definitive, timeless answer to this question.  The issue seems to be to define the positions/stances of the various interested parties--different Islamic movements, major theologians and religious leaders, Western writers in the Orientalist tradition, Western writers in other traditions.
The second question is an empirical one.  Is there a correlation between Islamic beliefs and support (or rejection) of democratic values?  A relationship between Islamic piety and a particular vision of good government?  Or, on the aggregate level, is there a causal relationship between a country having a large historically Muslim population and its achieved level of democracy?  There is a very active academic research agenda on these questions in political science and sociology using a wide range of data. 
These issues must be dealt with separately.  Philosophical/Theological claims don't tell us anything at all about the second set of questions--only data collected through observation can.  I'll try to find time to come in and do this myself, but I think the current organization of the article puts all the weight on the first set of questions, and makes it seem like there is an obvious, indisputable link between the assertions of religious or government officials and political outcomes, which may be (but isn't necessarily) true.   66.191.124.53 (talk) 05:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of this article, and what to be discussed 

message: http://thetruereligion.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/democracy-vs-our-religion/
Al-Faarooq the current head and Rep of the UMN challenges the Democratic System VS Shariah and wants to take the matter up in a court of law on the Intl Level.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.202.5.106 (talk) 07:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before you even read the discussion here at Wiki you must read the link I've provided first 

message: Below text moved from Wikipedia:Copyright problems listing from December 12: 
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thread_title:  Possible copyright problem in history 

message: Just an interesting question that I had, for whoever that wants to answer it.  Why isn't the Islamic REPUBLIC of Iran considered a democracy according to your list??? 
Is it because your definition of democracy differs from what the Islamic republic offers? If yes I would love to know what aspects of it conflict with democracy in your opinion, since there are elections, a parliament, a popularly elected president, and ...  
M.T
:I've now added Iran to the list- you could have added it yourself you know. I didn't write the list, so I don't know why Iran wasn't included, but it could have been a mistake. Of course the Council of Guardians and the Assembly of Experts do wield undemocratic influence over the electoral process, etc but given the other countries on the list I don't think that Iran should necessarily be excluded. --G Rutter 09:19, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't Iran in the list of countries for Islamic democracies? 

message: Given the change in the political scene in Algeria, the country needs to be added to the list. The influence of the military is still playing a role somehow but the last presidential elections in April 2004 was witnessed to be fair by international monitors. Morever, the president  Bouteflika (in his second term winning 85% of the electoral vote) has promised to solve the problem in the Berber region of Kabayle as well as to free women from restrictive family codes (following somehow the example of Morocco) and introducing the second version of the so-called “true national reconciliation” from the civil war. 
Any comments? Svest 14:24, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. I think that "democratic" is a relative term, and is not absolute or constant. In addition, some regions of a state can be more democratic than others. Put it in, if you haven't already. MacRusgail 16:23, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Algeria 

message: Should it be mentioned that Morocco is an occupying force in Western Sahara? That isn't particularly democratic. - FrancisTyers 00:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Morocco (North Africa) (98.7%)

message: *The references are made in wrong direction than the context. It is a kind of offensive action against personalities.
*It is better to discuss about Iran in subsections rather than preamble. 
*Ruhollah Khomeini is belongs to recent years. It is better to mension other people from past centuries also. See Hassan Modarres etc.
Farhoudk 12:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: it is completely untenable to call an "Islamic democracy" any democracy that happens to have an Islamic majority population. By this argument, France would be a "Roman Catholic democracy", and India a "Hindu democracy", both countries upholding strict separation of church and state, as does Turkey. Saying that Islamic democracies "attempt to reconcile Islam with a secular, democratic state" is nonsense. Nobody ever said a democratic state needs to be secular. A democratic state is first and foremost anything the electorate bloody well wants it to be. A country can very well be democratic and not secular. Saying that they "attempt" to reconcile Islam with democracy is hilarious pov, implying that this is somehow more difficult than reconciling Christianity with democracy (we would need to state that "Greece is attempting to reconcile Orthodox Christianity with a democratic state". dab (𒁳) 10:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "majority religion"

message: It is a Islamic country or a state with Islamic majority population but with a governmental system based on a secular Greco-Roman (also called 'Western') model of democracy, although it may have Islamic parties. The Turkish government is not based on a  model of Islamic democracy which is Islamic Shouracracy - a party-less republic.ILAKNA (talk) 14:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide a reliable source that support this position? AecisBrievenbus 16:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkey is a Secular Greco-Roman democracy with a Islamic majority population

message: I feel this article would be improved by mentioning the various political parties that stand for some sort of 'Islamic democracy' - i.e., Islamic parties that accept and work within a democratic system. Examples include Turkey's AK Party, Malaysia's UMNO party, the Pakistan Muslim League and various parties in Indonesia. See this article from The Economist:  Terraxos (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about political parties? 

message: The presence of Islamic parties in a Greco-Roman democracy modeled system of government in an Islamic country ie. with a majority of Islamic population & even if provided in the constitution that Islam will be the prevailing religion, although 'labelled so' does not turn it into a Islamic Democracy which is Islamic Shouracracy - a party-less republic 
For a government to be a 'Islamic democracy', the label has to match with the contents also. This applies to all these kinds of governments wherever they may be.ILAKNA (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide a reliable source that supports this position? AecisBrievenbus 16:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic democracy 

message: The two definitions provided don't match the definition of democracy. It all seems like a kind of contradictio in terminis to me.
PS I've your so found of your regimes, get your own word for it and don't abuse the Greek language.
Bombshell (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any other POV issues besides this smallminded drivel? What are the reasons this article is tagged npov?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.191.15 (talk) 05:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way is that objection small-minded?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.75 (talk) 08:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Everybody knows that the Basij stages the elections. Only mullah approved candidates are allowed to run. The Basij militia does the vote counting and runs the places where you can 'vote'. All employed people in the gov't and private sector has to turn up and get their ID cards stamped so the Mullahs can see that they have voted 'correctly'. If you want proof, look it up on Google.
Please don't be a coward and delete this. This is related to the composition of the article. 87.59.78.18 (talk) 12:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is an insult to the readers intelligence to say that Iran is a democracy 

message: Move to Islam and democracy. -Stevertigo 06:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: How can this be possible? Islam doesn't seem democratic. Lucas Duke (talk) 22:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is that possible? 

message: *I guess I'm confused as to how this article is a hoax. Erpert (let's talk about it) 17:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoax?

message: hi
Ive made a few changes, but with your supprot with like to make a few more . The link to harvard study does not work :/
1. A firmly secular state which recognizes no state religion and religious doctrines and ideas play no role in development of laws. Although public opinion may lead to influence on some laws
2. A democratic state which recognizes Islam as state religion, such as Malaysia, Algeria, or Maldives are examples of Islamic Democracies. Some religious values are incorporated into public life by elected represenatives, but the intepretation of Islamic law lies with elected representaives. The extent to which the goverment enforces religious princples in public life like alcohol ban are limited is not the only source of law. 
2. A "democratic" state which endeavours to institute Sharia. It is also called as Islamic theocratic democracy.[1] Islamic Theocracies offers more broad range of inclusion of Islam principles into the affairs of the state.The Role of goverment and security services extends into enforcing every religious edict. States like Iran (and saudi arabia, but saudi is not a democracy) are firm proponents of this form. The extent to which the goverment enforces the religion is set in the constition and laws are regarding affairs to do with religoin e.g crime are interpreted by scholars. Whilst elected representives decide non religious things like Taxation and Envirometnal policy 
I think the word islamist has negative connations ? --Tutan89 (talk) 10:01, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What in the world does carrying a gun or denying the Holocaust have to do with a country's status as a democracy?  Freedom House refers to most majority-Muslim states as undemocratic because they don't hold legitimate, systematic elections to determine who leads a particular country.  They are called undemocratic because that is exactly what they are.  And isn't it amazing how the "level of freedom" of virtually every Majority-Muslim state is so low as to be essentially non-existent? I guess the security and political environment found in each of those countries isn't that "unique" after all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.75 (talk) 08:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: First paragraph

message: I would like to see the table on democracy indices kept for the following reasons
1. It provides a lot of useful information in a concise form, rather than having a wall of text.
2.It provides a useful counterpoint to the 'in practice' sections. The indices definitely have their flaws and present a certain western viewpoint, but they are widely used, and so ought to be included. 
3. The 'in practice' section can never be long enough to include discussion on all countries, but the table provides many links.
4. It demonstrates the wide variety of islamic democracies, as well as providing contextual information i.e. countries that are in the muslim world but have a secular government (whether democratic or not). Since 'islamic democracy' means many different things to different people, I think it's useful to show the variety.
5. There is a similar table on the democracy in the middle east page, so the rationale is probably similar.
6. A lot of this material is likely to end up back in the text. It's much clearer as a table.
Please discuss
Halon8 (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Table on democracy indices

message: It is my opinion that a citation is needed for the following claim, taken from the "Sunni viewpoint" section. It is its own paragraph.
"Furthermore, counter arguments to these points assert that this attitude presuppose democracy as a static system which only embraces a particular type of social and cultural system, namely that of the post-Christian West."
This is a claim that cannot be distilled from the content that precedes it, and it needs its own citation. I added a "citationneeded" template. If you wish to talk to me for some reason, please use my user talk page, instead of replying on this article's talk page. -- Kjkolb (talk) 08:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed for claim

message: I am not an expert in this area, but it seems to me that it would be inappropriate to use the Koran as a reference in this article, unless it specifically mentions democracy's role in Islam, as it would be a primary source, and constructing an argument with material from the Koran would be original research. However, such an argument could be made in a secondary or tertiary source, which would need to be given as a reference. Previously, two references in the article were verses from the Koran. I changed them into mentions, instead. The references were in the "Sunni viewpoint" section of the article, and the paragraph starts, "Muslim democrats". If you wish to talk to me for some reason, please use my user talk page, instead of replying on this article's talk page. -- Kjkolb (talk) 08:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: Disregarding the blatant fact that "Islamic Democracy" is a flat out contradiction in terms, as a democracy which follows islamic teachings on rule of law automatically excludes non-muslims and critics of islam from being elected into high positions of government, this article is so blatantly partisan and pro-Islam that it's not funny. A lot of the sources for some controversial statements (like the broad and shaky claim linking "liberalism" with the early islamic world) are controversial and have been contested hotly by other academics, like the ridicuous claim that the Rashidun Caliphate was a democratic state in any way, shape or form, when it blatantly slaughtered entire non-muslim tribes and held elections through tribal heads and sometimes not at all - That is not a democracy!
Despite these contested statements, which positively litter the article, there is not a single section on "Criticism" or "Opponents" of Islamic Democracy, only "Obstacles", so if you weren't convinced of this article's blatant mohammedan slant already, you should be now.
Take for example the section on "Democracy Index":
The following lists Muslim-majority countries and shows the scores given by two frequently used indices: Freedom in the World (2013) by the     US-based Freedom House and the 2012 Democracy Index by the Economist Intelligence Unit. These indices are frequently used in Western media, but have attracted some criticism and may not reflect recent changes.
This is blatant POV push if i've ever seen it. Firstly, Freedom House is not related to the Democracy Index, and there are numerous other NGOs who have published similar tallies. Secondly, the line about "western media" is nothing more than obtuse WP:POVPUSH designed to boil all criticism of islamic government away and repudiate all negative analyses of democracy in Muslim nations using the smear of "Western media". Third, even though Freedom House is funded by the US government, that does not take away from the genuine criticisms of democratic institutions and freedom of speech that it makes, nor does it mean that it's results do "not reflect recent changes"(whatever that means) in Muslim nations.
It's quite obvious that the major editors to this article are themselves proponents of the ideology, and are clearly uninterested in presenting the topic in a non-partisan and neutral manner. This article should be flagged for oblong POVPUSH.
:(e/c)Given the nature of your username, I'm not sure that you can be considered entirely neutral yourself.  Could you actually suggest improvements to the article, rather than just rant about what you see as shortcomings?  Ta. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typical silly POV muslim rubbish, complete with a stinking serving of anti-European propaganda 

message: I removed "Al-Albani" from the section listing supposed "pro-Democracy" Salafi scholars, since he has stated that participating in Democracy by voting is forbidden. 
Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzy70nKGf3o and http://www.sunnahpublishing.net/audio/albanivoting.wma 71.59.196.190 (talk) 08:07, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Salafi section needs sources.