Talk:Sui generis

message: some guidance on this page for pronunciation would be great :) I would do it, but I don't know how to pronounce it. On the other hand, perhaps it is subject to regional variation which is usually simply split between the US and other English speaking nations, so it would be good to have both. On the other hand, it isn't even English, so <shrug>
i added the 'official' British English pronounciation
As it's latin, I do think the correct pronunciation is "sew-i generis" as opposed to "swee". The "sew" is pronounced the same as the name Sue. The generis part is easy - just pronounce each letter, as in "jeneris". 
Many of us have not been so fortunate as to have obtained higher education and so must take our education where we can find it. Wikipedia is one of those places. The "pronunciation guide" left me more confused then when I started reading. I'm guessing something along the lines of "swee john-a-ree" but I could be off by miles.
:Indeed there seems to be some confusion on Latin pronounciation. Latin is a language that didn't change in the last 1600 years, so there cannot be any American or British pronounciation.
The Latin pronounciation of "g" is always like in "good" and not like in "general". 
However, the expression was popularised in the English language, and therefore commonly used with English pronounciation. I suggest this be clarified on the page. Tang Wenlong (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: The expression was used by Duke University for the 2000-01 academic year in its Student Brochure. It was like, "Duke University.......Sui Generis (Altogether Unique)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.176.20.228 (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage/Context 

message: Is there some reason why the lead avoids using the common phrase, "in a class of its own?" Baon 05:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it is more vague or less clear. I mean, if someone says something is "in a class of its own", do they mean to say it is so unique that it cannot be classified into other classes (i.e. sui generis)? Or is this some kind of vague advertising claim, like how a prestige car manufacturer might claim that their new car is "in a class of its own"? That new car model may well be in a "class of its own", but you probably wouldn't call it sui generis. The problem with native English phrases is they are more prone to abuse by advertisers and the uninformed, and hence their clarity of meaning suffers -- whereas Latin borrowings (especially the less common ones) are far less likely to be used improperly or by those who don't really understand them, and thus the clarity of their meaning is preserved. --SJK (talk) 11:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the interest of plain speaking 

message: I know it's used to describe the genre of the gospels in the New Testament (as in, "The Gospels are sui generis as a genre."), as they are unlike other biographies in their basic nature and purpose, and unlike any other genre within Christian scripture.  I'll let anyone inclined to include this in the article arue it out with the anti-religious or anti-(for whatever reason) people whether this should be included or not.  Will look for references in the meantime. 61.77.135.17 (talk) 07:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical Use 

message: You can call it "examples in media" or whatnot in you want, but it's still a trivia section. The article is more than adequate without referencing Meryl Streep in The Devil Wears Prada.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.135.114 (talk) 14:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut the trivia section. 

message: In the EU law there exists a relatively significant category of decisions that are not per se regulated by the treaties, namely, sui generis decisions. They have been a subject of some academical interest as of late. Based on the European Court of Justice's decisions (e.g. Case C-370/07) these decisions have now an official position within EU law. Within the mentioned decision ECJ concludes: 
:"The Council contends, as its principal argument, that, in the present case, it was not required to state the legal basis of the contested decision inasmuch as the latter is a sui generis decision, designated in German by the term ‘Beschluß’, adopted by the Council in the context of the Community’s external relations, in accordance with the second subparagraph of Article 300(2) EC. That decision, it argues, must be distinguished from the decision designated by the German word ‘Entscheidung’ and referred to in Articles 249 EC and 253 EC."
And it continues by mentioning the special character of these decision by stating:
:"The Council explains that, since the contested decision affects only relations between the Community and the Member States and inter-institutional relations, and as it therefore has no effect on the legal rights and obligations of third parties, such as individuals or companies, the obligation to state reasons serves no purpose since that decision is addressed only to the parties which participated in its adoption. In the same way as the Court found in the AETR judgment, which concerned ‘negotiations by the Council’ for the purpose of concluding an international agreement, the contested decision in the present case is a ‘Beschluß’ and, as such, does not appear on the exhaustive list of measures for which reasons must be given."
Hence, I do think that this particular kind of decision-making procedure ought to be mentioned as part of definition of sui generis (or there should be a separate entry for it).
--78.27.66.123 (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sui generis decisions 

message: The section on town planning does not actually explain the meaning of the term in that context. The section begins:
"In British town planning law, many common types of land use are classified in "Use Classes". Change of use of land within a Use Class does not require planning permission; however, changing between certain Use Classes requires planning permission."
This text reads as a preamble for an explanation, but the explanation never comes. Instead, some examples are presented, making it clear that the author thinks the above text is an explanation. 
Rdanbury (talk) 09:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning in the context of town planning 

message: should probably not be a list.--345Kai (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the lead paragraph... 

message: This can also be related to The Sui Generist Mind. The structure of the brain within non-neurotypical and neurotypical processes are inherently different. (ed. This sentence does not make sense.  Agreement is incorrect, but more significantly, what is meant by saying the structure of the brain WITHIN these functions?  Is this a translation error or a conceptual difference of importance that is inadequately explained?) 
:This comment was on the main article, so I moved it to the talk page. I do not have the expertise to deal with it. Many thanks. Jamesx12345 13:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: It seems somewhat awkward to have different bullets for law and IP law, as I think the intellectual property usage is just another angle of "unique in its kind" law. Sui generis legislation for intellectual property isn't that different from sui generis cases or authority. 
Tentative rewording:
*law, when a special and unique interpretation of a case or authority is found to be necessary, or when unique qualities or facts warrant idiosyncratic legislative treatment;
Arttechlaw (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Intellectual Property Law

message: A problem exists in the clause a conjunctive (X 'and' Y) intention to the legislature even though the list is disjunctive (X 'or' Y)
Legalese assumes the word "or" to be inclusive, that is "A or B or BOTH", from http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/OR: conj. either; in the alternative.  The boolean exclusive sense "XOR" is rendered "A or B but not BOTH".
So the entire sentence here is senseless as it stands; and if one corrects it, there is no need for this example.  Actually, the entire paragraph is unlikely to be useful, it's a bad example.  The conjunction "and" used here in its boolean sense does not, per se, introduce vagueness.  We could usefully choose a different example in the first para, which may well eliminate the need for misusing the word "or".  One notes that the word "unlawful" is not capable of misinterpetation, it has no ambiguity.  Of course, coupled with "malicious" in certain ways, there is room for debate: but the use of "and" notes solely that the action was primarily against the law, and secondarily it was done in order to harm some thing or person.  Now if the conjunction "or" had been used...  124.148.89.144 (talk) 06:07, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature of "or" in Law/Statutory 

message: Under the Sociology heading the second sentence reads: 
"It is not something that is not thought to have been created because it is imbedded in everyone's way of thinking and being."
The use of the double negative here is confusing and awkward I think.  Does this mean "It is something that is thought to have been created...?"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whimsycrat (talk • contribs) 18:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing double negative