Talk:Tranquility Bay

message: I  truly felt a need to stand up and say some thing here... there are some Very true statements about this facility as well as some alegations that are completly taken out of context.
as a STUDENT of the facility for near 2 years as well as a year in Spring Creek, i found that (in Jamaca) a majority of the Abuse alegations came after students "went out of control", rioted, etc.  as in ANY city or town country  sometimes it took some force to get things under control.   now this does not mean that the staff members were Brutally taking out these kids.... but when your having to restrain someone due to them attacking another student, self infliction, attempting to run Away....( which i might ad was an extremely stupid thing for me to ever attempt)
  I can Honestly say that All harm that was caused to my person  happened due to MY OWN CHOICES!  
I caused the incident that created the injury with my shoulder ( i fliped out ou a kid pouring nauxus Chemicals on another student and if u can Honestly say i  wasnt calling forth being restrained than your crazy!   i resisted  during my continued strugle with the 3 staff members  i dislocated my shoulder.  while siting in Observation Placement i did everything i could to make my shoulder worse, geting myself in to positions that some harm would obviously soon follow,)
Now during this time NEVER once was i denied Medical Treatment in fact the medical treatment was in fact a treat due to the fact that the type of medical treatment i needed ment a trip to one of the near by towns Mandiville or even better Kingston!!! i even got treats that were a rarity like Raw Sugarcane and Coconut jellys.   IT WAS A TRUE TREAT!
now on facility there were 2 nurses that were wonderful  now the lack of med treatment comes from the fact that only one nurse was on at a time and they had to take care of both the Girls and the Boys side each side equaling well over 100 kids.
so of course she wasnt in the office all the time.
now complaints of food is laughable the food wasnt always the best... the soups and boiled dumplings sucked.... but the Jamaican national dish  salt fish ackee and johnny cakes were unbelievable, the Fried Goat.... a masterpiece ( and HILARIOUS that they passed it off as chicken)   the food was nutritional and healthy... SHIT before i got placed there i wasnt eating and if i did it was gas station food!!!!
now Sanitation is Truly the only thing that was a problem at times..... now remember Jamaica IS a 3rd world country... the power goes out from time to time... especially in storm season.....   now when this happens the water pumps for the well wont work..... now we still showered (2 times a day), washed close etc it was just now reduced to using the old fashioned bucket and roap from the well....nothing wrong with that ........ 
now the Only thing that was Unsanitary was that from time to time the sewage pump would back up flooding the lower teer of the Shower/wash area ( this happened to be where the clothes line was and if this happened and with the combination of rude students that would steal the cloth pins for their own stuff and just a slight breeze would create a very unhappy person no matter if it was waist of just mud from the rain the night before)
now out of all of the things that tranquility bay has been accused of the only one i can truly say happened that was unacceptable was the backing up of the sewage pump....
now 8 years after being in the program i can look back and see the angry kid i was  and how unaccountable i was much of the time  
i also want to note that during the time i was there it was noted as being the stricktest and also the most unruly (this being due to the type of kids that were geting placed at this facility many of these kids should have been in jail....
suicides happen even in a jail,prison,sick units etc. if the disturbed person really has the intention of ending their life they will accomplish it.
 now that ive ranted for a while ill end on this note... 
the people that were placed in these programs ( including myself) did this by their own actions whether it may be due to sex, drugs, violence, "misbehaving" court ordered ( yes there were MANY) etc we all made the choice to take on the actions that ultimitly placed us there  ( of course we never see it that way when its happening) now what we choose to take from the experiencing is our own and is unique to each that went.  i was lucky that my parents had the incite to send me, it saved my life and i still find myself lucky that my mind was able to clear enough and that im still a coherent human being.
I know this is Wikipedia, and we're supposed to maintain NPOV, but this place has to be stopped. Please, anyone who is able, protest and work against this place in any way you can. 86.134.217.24
: Well, you can't post anything that's not published in a reliable source. We are here to describe places, not to be activists. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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message: In the interest of maintaining NPOV, I would like for this article to have testimony from those who run Tranquility Bay or those who support it.  This article is very one sided. 68.69.194.125 05:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One sided. Yes, it is. Sorry about that. It's just kind of hard to take a neutral view of a facility in which children are routinely abused to "cure" them of supposed misdeeds which are often not even against the law. We try, but it's like trying to write an unbiased portrait of Hitler. What nice things are you supposed to say? 86.134.217.24 21:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Godwin's Law.  The facility exists to fill a need; this is not evil or cruel. Some parents wish to send their children here because they believe they have no other choice; the child may misbehave, steal things, etc. Comparing an unbiased article about this topic to a portrait of Hitler is childish and shows a simplistic worldview. It is obvious that the editors here have an extreme bias against this institution, yet somehow it is acceptable for certain articles to be POV but others aren't.  68.69.194.125 01:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes biases are justified. The line between "corporal punishment" and "deliberate harm on institutional level" got crossed somewhere around when parents get denied the right to see their children if they visit uninvited, or when kids are forced to lie on concrete floors for hours on end. Biased? Yep. Wrong? I don't think so. What are you, some kind of apologist for Tranquility Bay? User:Stiletto Null 22:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you're confused about the way Wikipedia articles are laid out; there is no 'main article' within any Wikipedia article. There's a section at the top that summarises the rest, followed by more sections (and subsections of those sections, in longer articles) that go into detail. CameoAppearance orate 00:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is a prime case of WP:IAR. A NPOV article is not possible. 62.197.170.207 16:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is POV 

message: Several of the ips involved in editing the WWASP pages.. are
a) anonymous ips
b) located in utah, where the company has registered
c) have made hundreds of edits to WWASP related pages
d) have made 0 edits to any other wikipedia pages.; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.56.160.150 (talk • contribs) 
:You're right; I've noticed that myself. Of course, if they were editing according to WP guidelines and policies, that wouldn't be a problem; however, they keep doing things like editing out every single piece of criticism and not responding to their talk pages, and it's really getting on my nerves. CameoAppearance orate 19:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe these people have no interest in wikipedia. Maybe they simply want to defend themselves against some accusations. Doesn't that make sense? Dwjack 16:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWASP IPs 

message: I just removed the following sentence from the first paragraph of the article: "Despite its reputation, Tranquility Bay is said to boast a 97% parent satisfaction rate, and the facility claims that they have received "over 4000 letters of reference or appreciation in past three years alone."  Yes, it was cited.  But did anyone bother to check the source???  My god.  Just look at it http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/.  As far as I can tell, this site is likely run by the company itself!  As others have mentioned, I think the company is "updating" the article frequently to stuff it with their own lies.
I fully support the non-biased point of view that Wikipedia needs to maintain, but damn, it is hard to control myself on this issue.  It's like trying to remain objective on a company that kills babies for fun.  As a result, for the time being I will not be writing and/or adding anything to the article (other than REMOVING that BS statistic).  When will this evil company be taken down (by a court)??? Markatl84 07:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Propaganda from Tranquility Bay

message: section for Critisism:  2080 words
section for Rebuttal:     31 words
Dwjack 16:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. I found the rebuttal even more damning than the original criticism. The criticism basically said "these guys are child abusers" and the rebuttal was "No, we're demented and really sadistic child abusers, and here's proof!" Ah well, if that's what they think maintains NPOV, then I suppose everyone's happy. Does this really belong on the Tranquility Bay page, though? Eugenitor 21:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? Are you serious? 

message: This article looks like an advertisement.  In fact, I think I've seen these same lines in some of the TB literature.  I'm going to remove some of the more offensive things myself.
Yeah so I ended up taking out the entire second paragraph because I couldn't come up with a way to make it more factual/less biased.  Sorry about that.
:The above unsigned comments are from IP 202.33.24.132, added earlier today. I restored the second paragraph. It is at least as neutral (perhaps more so) than the material retained in the first paragraph, and it includes information from a published article. --orlady 14:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More Propaganda

message: The last prisoner held at Tranquility Bay was released on January 5, 2009. The facility is now selling all of its furniture.
12 years of horrific, inhumane violence is over.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.89.80 (talk) 02:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be interested to hear more about this - why was the facility closed?  Legal reasons, and if so which country's laws?  Business decision by the organization running it?  Or what? 67.158.65.220 (talk) 23:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: are u open I heard u were closed, 73.49.99.245 (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Tranquility Bay closed

message: When I went to TB, I was actually (just turned) 11. I saw that it says the youngest person there was 12, but in fact, that's wrong. Just pointing that out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.37.87.143 (talk) 16:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youngest person there was 11. 

message: dear sir,
my name is riva menon. i was a student at tranquility bay, jamaica
from april14, 2005 to april 13, 2006.in which time i completed my high
school diplomma. currently i understand that tranquilit bay has been
closed down. I hope you will be able to help me in a problem im
facing. i need my transcripts and graduation certificate. i would like
to further my studies and am told without those documents i will be
unable to. Also that i would not have any proof that i even completed
my high school. i beg you for your help sir. My ssn is [seriosly?].
full name Riva A/L Ramakrishnan Menon. Father's name- Ramakrishnan
Menon.
please i hope you can help me.
Sincerely,
       Riva Menon
can anyone help me????
my email is rmenon2@gmail.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.141.109.196 (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Riva the best place to get advice would probably be here  http://reddit.com/r/troubledteens 1keyhole (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  transcripts