Talk:Goku/Archive 3

message: I think it could be good idea to put and explain shortly the training evolution that goku has, like for example with Muten Roshi, delivering milk crosing a waterfall, six bottles in 6 kilometers, plowing a land farm with the hands, swimming with sharks, etc, until the last training by himself when he is boxing with 2 tons rock in his arms and legs, and as Supersaiyan West Kaio change it to 10 tons each. This is only a suggestion. 88.149.103.132 19:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's a good idea. Large lists won't improve this article--$UIT 17:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree with SUIT, large lists and long explanations is what made this article so confusing to read and bungled in the first place. All of us have worked so hard to get this article to the point of being as short as it is, and with a character like Goku, just cutting it this short is a task all itself.--Majinvegeta 05:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goku´s training 

message: I believe that Goku meets Bulma when he is 11, then train with Muten Roshi 8 months, and fights the first tournament at 12. Ykkifenix 23:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good observation, but there's no evidence for that theory. --Majinvegeta 05:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is: He clearly states that he is twelve years old at the tournament when asked about his age. –71.244.215.137 01:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but we don't know how long the training was. He may have been 12 since the beginning--$UIT 02:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course we can. The Daizenshuu states that Kakarrot was born in 737 A.D. He entered the 21st Tenka-ichi Budokai on May 7, 750 A.D. Thus, he was approximately 13 (depending on what day he was born). The S 07:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goku´s age 

message: I was just wondering if this extended list of Techniques is actually needed. I mean, it's important to mention the Kamehameha and the Instant Movement, but are techniques like Flying really neccisary? I'm just thinking, and I don't really see the minor, common techniques as important. Perhaps Kamehameha, Instant Movement, Kaio Ken, Rock Scissors Paper, and Genkai Dama are all that this article needs. Suggestions? --Majinvegeta 05:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep it just because everyone can fly doesn't mean its not notable. DBZROCKS 22:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Techniques needed? 

message: I don't want to get involved with the Son Goku vs. Goku debate (as I think it's silly. Son Goku can just be considered his full name, while Goku, his given name.) However, I think it would be a good idea to put Kuririn's American name in parenthases following his original name, especially the first time he is mentioned. This is just so that American fans won't be confused. They might think Kuririn is a different person. I only figured it out because I knew of the Japanese l/r thing.
-- trlkly 06:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In regard to your Son Goku vs. Goku comment, we historically don't use the full name unconditionally - see Bill Clinton, for example. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Japanese names are set-up differently then English names, in formal articles, the family name comes first and then the individual's name comes second (In this case, it's not Goku Son, it's Son Goku).--VorangorTheDemon 21:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krillin 

message: 200px 
*What do you guys think? I think it reflects his personality better and the angle on his face is better then the other one. Also guess what?! He ISN'T dead in this one (gasp!). --VorangorTheDemon 22:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do We still need an Image? I can redraw Goku to make a higher resolution, but the background would be a problem! How about a transparent Image?   UzEE  (Talk • Contribs) 04:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That depends. You can draw it yourself, like the nicely made :Image:Toribot.svg, but make sure the license says that it was created by you. Lord Sesshomaru 03:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow, I didn't know that you could draw one and put it there. It's a lot easier to sort out the fair use and copyright. I think I'll do just that. Thanks Sesshomaru. --VorangorTheDemon 12:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, actually we cant draw it. The image is up for deletion. The problem is that no matter who draws Goku, his copyright holder is still Akira Toriyama because it was his design and concept.   UzEE  (Talk • Contribs) 00:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New goku image uploaded 

message: should we put a list of techniques for goku cos other ppl like veget and trunks have them so why shouldn't he? 15:18 1 August 2007 JCno1fan
:He did have a list of techniques but they were removed. After a quick discussion, we realized that it was unimportant to mention them. The Kamehameha was the only one that could actually stay on the list because it was also OOU. The rest of the techniques fell under WP:CRUFT and were neither had encyclopedic value or notable importantance. When someone get's around to it, the lists from Vegeta's and Trunks's pages probably will also be removed. --VorangorTheDemon 11:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of techniques 

message: He's Bardock's son? Why is that part of his name? —The preceding comment is by 65.102.255.98 (talk • contribs) 65.102.255.98: Please sign your posts!
:Easy, he was born "Kakarotto" on planet Vegeta, but was renamed "Son Goku" on Earth by martial artist Grandpa Son Gohan. Lord Sesshomaru 03:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Son? 

message: I added the Afterlife section for Goku's History, but I dont have the manga to cite references. Could someone do that?  UzEE  (Talk • Contribs) 03:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no manga to cite on that. We would need to cite episodes. That whole segment was filler. Onikage725 00:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the entire section. It states at the top that it is the manga account, not the anime account. Also it's filler. --VorangorTheDemon 05:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afterlife Section Added 

message: Back on the main topic of discussion, I would like to apologize for my bad comprehension on the Sun Wukong issue. I really dont know a thing about Chinese and Japanese, and even English is a secondary language to me.
I guess everyone agrees to make the Disambig now? I would like to sum up the discussion so far into the following three points:
*Sun Wukong stays as it is. No need to show a new disambig line on top.
*Son Goku (Dragon Ball) also stays at the same place. I think placing a link to the Disambig here wouldn't also do any good?
*Son Goku is redirected to Son Goku (disambiguation). Any other Sun Wukong and Son Goku inspired articles can be merged here and this would serve as an index to them all.
Now do we all agree on the above three points? Or is there a still better solution?   UzEE  (Talk • Contribs) 02:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, seems there is no better reason then to have it so. Lord Sesshomaru 20:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.--SidiLemine 12:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed except on one possible point.  I would caution on making the disambig page a merger of related pages.  Ideally it would be a summary of each page and link to it, as 90% of the disambig pages do.  It would most likely be served as a variation of the Won Wukong list.  If no one objects I will however take the merge notice off of the article page as that portion of the discussion seems to be resolved.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 19:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I plan to have :Son Gokuu, :Son Gokuh, :Son Gokou, :Son Gokū, and any other variations redirect to the disambiguation page. I assume we're clear on that? Lord Sesshomaru 16:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to redirect every pronounciation variations to the same page. MythSearchertalk 16:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, sure, that's a go.--SidiLemine 18:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Its only logical.   UzEE  (Talk • Contribs) 02:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion 

message: The italic sentence at the top of the article says that "Son Goku" is a Chinese name, but it and everything else about the article sounds Japanese. Hallpriest9 (Talk) 00:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The surname Sun is actually Chinese. Son Goku is a the Japanese pronunciation of the name Sun Wukong. Dragonball was loosely based on the Chinese classic Journey to the West. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably one of the most misunderstood part of the story, where everyone thinks it is a Japanese name merely because it is a Japanese anime. The name is actually Chinese. It is the author's intention to adopt a character with Chinese name. When you look at names in Asian countries, you don't just look at the English alphabet spelling, you look at the name in its native script, in this case 孫悟空, Japanese don't bear the surname "孫", only Chinese do. (See Sun (surname)) The name could be transliterated using different systems in different countries and hence its spelling varies (e.g. Sun Wu Kong, Son Go Ku, Suan Ng Hong), but it doesn't matter how it is spelled, they all derives from the name "孫悟空", the exact same name of the central character in the Chinese novel Journey to the West. International Common Editor (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Just when you think Son Goku is a Japanese name created for Dragon Ball, you may realise it does not only appear in Dragon Ball, it also appears in the Japanese translated version of Journey to the West ( p173) published some hundred years before Dragon Ball. The Japanese always pronounce the Chinese name 孫悟空 as Son Goku, it is Japanese romanisation but it doesn't mean the name itself is of Japanese origin. International Common Editor (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Moreover, in the Japanese wikipedia, the name 孫悟空 ("Son Goku" in Japanese romanisation) is directed to the central character of the Journey to the West, the first line of the article reads "it is a Chinese name" and its Chinese transliteration. The article of Dragon Ball's Son Goku is Son Goku (Dragon Ball)   International Common Editor (talk) 23:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, in Dragon Ball (not its sequel Dragon Ball Z), number of attributes of Son Goku/Sun WuKong shows similarity with the Son Goku/Sun Wu in Journey to the West, most notably the re-sizable fighting stick and the flying cloud (筋斗雲) that Son Goku/Sun WuKong rides on. These are important cultural reference to the Journey to the West in Dragon Ball and is currently missing from the article, probably because when US started airing the series, they started from the sequel Dragon Ball Z, so most people are not award of the first half of the story??  International Common Editor (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language