Talk:Ko-ryū

message: According to Donn F. Draeger, 1974. Modern Bujutsu & Budo. , p.135:
::"The term ko budo, ancient martial ways," is a generic term coined in the twentieth century. It may be used to describe collectively all Okinawan combative systems, but it is more accurate to say 'Okinawan ko budo,' in order to distinguish them from Japanese ko budo (the classical bujutsu and budo), hich are entirely different and basically unrelated systems. The use of the term ko budo should not be limited, as it popularly is, to the describing of the ancient weapons systems of Okinawa."
For you information the concept 'ko budo' is described in Donn F. Draeger, 1973. Classical Budo. . Draftbooks (talk) 11:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of kobudō

message: Your list of koryu schools is not complete. You should ad the school "Yagyu Shingan Ryu" to the list. This school is also mentioned at www.koryu.com
with a short description to it.
:The list at koryu.com is also incomplete. I don't think it makes much sense to have a huge list of redlinks here. jni 10:59, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There have been many koryu founded since the earliest records (Maniwa Nen-ryu is first, IIRC), and there are still hundreds extant today. It's inappropriate to list them all here, particularly if they lack non-stub articles. Better to just list the well known ones and others that have been linked already. However, I think that Yagyu Shingan-ryu is fairly well known for koryu so it deserves to be listed. — Jéioosh 06:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Koryu List

message: The preferred romanization used on the KSSR websites is "Kashima-Shinryu" as opposed to "Kashima Shin-ryu."
:I think for this article it's best to keep the romanization practice the same for all names. For that particular article romanizing it in their preferred manner would be appropriate. — Jéioosh 06:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanization

message: Should Isshin-ryu be part of this?  It was founded in 1953.  That's much later than the Meiji era.
alden7 9/22/05
: Well, I thought I'd heard of an Isshin-ryu koryu, but whether or not such a thing exists the article is about a modern karate ryu. Removed. — Jéioosh 06:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to to correct the above statement. I got word the other week that the original Isshin-ryu is actually active in Japan today. Fred26 09:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isshin-ryu and the works 

message: I just fixed it up for format and language - not judging one way or the other but I did notice that the original writter says he's the 14th Soke and gives his birth date as 1985.  Totally possible I know but then again ....  Peter Rehse 07:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suihasu-ryu

message: Someone has created a Shindo Yoshin-ryū article. There already is an entry on this particular ryu found under the name Shindo Yoshin Ryu. Fred26 12:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shindo Yoshin ryu - two articles 

message: Add a couple of picis and this article can be promoted to B-class.Peter Rehse 06:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion to B class

message: I have proposed a merger of the existing Kobudo article into the Koryu article. In my personal opinion the Kobudo article is reduntant since Kobudo and Koryu differs little from each other and what little information contained in the former can easily be squeezed in as a paragraph in Koryu together with an clarification on the Kobudo/Koryu differences. Please note, I'm not talking about Okinawan kobudo, (with karate, bojutsu, tonfa and so on), which already has an excellent article. Any comments? Fred26 08:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, they're synonymous. No protest here. — Gwalla | Talk 20:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I have to object. This is a general shorthand term for any school of anything that is old. Martial arts use it as a shortform, but other schools in other areas also use it. Gryffindor (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose merge Kobudo into Koryu

message: I did read the references, and I believe the second reference uses the more common term.  As far as I know, only Donn Draeger uses 'Martial Ways'.  Kenkyuusha has 'military [martial] art' for Budo, the second reference has 'martial art' as the translation for Budo in its glossary.  Even the title of the book uses 'arts'.  Further, shin means new and gendai modern so the standard gloss is 'new martial art' and 'modern martial art'.  
Kontoreg: if you want to talk about variations in naming, please add them to the Description of Kobudō section, where they are appropriate, not the lede.  Francis Bond (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How can the term kobudō (古武道) be translated with 'ancient martial arts' - the kanji for 'ancient martial arts' is not 古武道. In addition kobudō had their origin in the Tokugawa era of peace (1603-1868) and derived from the combative systems of the Japanese martial arts. - Kontoreg (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Asserting something is incorrect does not make it correct.   古武道 is translated as 'ancient martial arts'.   The kanji for 'ancient martial arts' is  more fully 古代武道. However, '古代' 古 on its own can also mean ancient, although I am happy to go with old or classical, if you prefer.  武道 'martial art'.    Shin is 新 meaning new, and gendai 現代 is modern.  If you cannot read Japanese, perhaps you should be a little bit more respectful of the knowledge of those who can when we are discussing Japanese terms. Francis Bond (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martial Art or Martial Way