Talk:Helgi Hundingsbane

message: Ich möcht in diesem Zusammenhang anmerken, daß bereits Tacitus im  Kap.40 Suarines genannt hat. Granmar ein mächtiger König saß auf Suarinshügel nach der Edda(Helgi Hundingstöter).
 Suarin ist der alte Name von Schwerin in Mecklenburg und würde damit zum damaligen reidgotischen Gebiet gehören. Zum Beispiel der schwedische König Ivar  fuhr in südlicher Richtung nach einem Zwischenaufenthalt bei seinem Schiegersohn in Seeland und erreichte Reidgotland (Mecklenburg und Pommern).
Die Lokalisierung für die Suarines und deren Umgebung wurde von Folgenden Verfassern bereits erwähnt:
 1.Heirich Böttger:Die Wohnsitze der Deutschen im dem von Tacitus im seiner Germania beschriebenen Lande. Stuttgart 1877 ; 2.H.J. Hube: Sachso Gramatticus Wiesbaden 2004; 3.H.M. Chadwick: Das origin der englischen Nation...Cambridge Univertäts Presse 1907; 4.Sophus Bugge: Helge Diktene Kjobenhavn 1896; 5.Förstemann, E: Altdeutsches Namensbuch 3.Aufl. Bonn 1916 ; 6.Petersen, N.M.: Haandbog i den gammel-nordisk Geografi ...... Kjobenhavn 1834; 7.Baetke, Walter: Yngvi und die Ynglinger Berlin 1964; 8.Maßmann.H.F.: Germania DES P.C. Tacitus mit den  Lesarten sämtlicher Handschriften Quedlinburg und Leipzig 1847; 9.Sophus Bugge: Der Runenstein von Rök Stokholm 1912; 10.0Wittig, H.: Schwerin gehört in die Geschichte der SagaSagazeit Der Berner Nr.19 Bonn 2005; 11.Wittig.H.: Reitgotaland an der südlichen Ostseeküste Der Berner Nr.22 Bonn 2006 .
Betrachtet man nun noch die territorial übergreifenden Karten für die bisherigen Funde der Völkerwanderungszeit,dann wird auch die Lokalisierung exakter. 
Hermann Wittig Schwerin am 03.10.2006
*** Under the headline Locations you write:
"Others have remarked that, in the Norse sagas the Ylfings are never called Danish, and the only territory that they are said to have ruled is East Götaland. In the first poem (Helgakviða Hundingsbana I), Sinfjotle has his residence on the Bravellir (the plain west of Bråviken in East Götaland, see Battle of Bråvalla) and Helgi resides at Hringstaðir (probably modern Ringstad, an old royal estate on the same plain existing well before, and during, the 7th century)."
NO, "on the same plain" is not correct. Ringsted (which is the city's real name) is on the Danish island Zealand (Sjælland), some 60 kilometers west of Copenhagen. 87.57.193.206 (talk) 07:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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