Talk:Tenchi Muyo!

message: I'm very happy that the character list had a complete makeover, but I'm a little annoyed that Noike Jurai was placed in the 'other characters' catagory.  She's a main character and should be placed in the 'main character' column.
No. she doesnt derserve to be classed as a 'main' character. she has been in 7 episodes, and was only really a major part in the story in the frist 1 or 2 eps in the third ova. she deserved to be in 'Other' characters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.33.97 (talk) 20:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Give Noike more respect 

message: I've made some additions and corrections to the entry.  In particular, I have eliminated some opinions in favor of some of Kajishima's statements.  There's probably more that could be corrected, though....  TM!R is such a complex topic that it can warrant its own mini-enyclopedia, but who has the time?
One that stands out - Hasegawa is a 'she', not a 'he' as described in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.200.221 (talk) 07:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errata 

message: I think the Tenchi page is probably big enough to break up into separate pages at this point. Please make suggestions on what sections it should be broken into. -Litefantastic 00:25, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh you mean the template, Template:Characters of Fullmetal Alchemist. Yes that is a good idea, since there is sufficient information on a lot of the characters. - Squilibob 07:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical mass

message: I think the recent changes are questionable.  I really don't want to get into an edit war, but claiming that one version of Tenchi is canon and others are not is extremely questionable.  I was pretty careful when mentioning movie 2 not to give primacy to one over another; these recent changes alter that for no good reason.  I am aware that the FAQ says that one is canon and another isn't; it gives no source, however.  The best you can say is something like "Kajishima is the series' original character concept designer.  The canon accepted by Kajishima is...."
Furthermore, phrases like "it is a treat to see..." and "the movie is very weak" don't belong in a Wikipedia article.
The link to the Tenchi FAQ doesn't work, either.
If nobody can give me a good reason why not to, I'm going to change this back.
Ken Arromdee 22:03, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Canon?

message: I haven't seen this series so I'm not qualified to do what I'm suggesting, but a chronological (in the fiction) order of the series should be put up.  Or at least a "suggested viewing order".  Because there's so many different Tenchi Muyo series and episodes it's downright confusing.  --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 13:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological order 

message: If we take Oh My Goddess! to be an extremley good article you will notice several things
*The article is short and contains information only relevent to the series as a whole not particular "stuff"
*That it doesnt include character information, series information or episode information. This is all contained in seperate articles, where the title of the article represents the information and only the information that is within that article, no more.
(so by clicking on belldandy one gets information only on here and her charatcer, and also the extremley good info box...)
My problem with the TM article is that is long and doesnt read well. I would advise all interested in improving the TM article to read the oh my goddees article and all its sub-pages. Compare and contrast it to TM and then apply all the advantages it has over ours. Believe me, TM needs a LOT of cleaning (as i am sure you know) 
i have actually bothered to read all the oh my goddess files as it is so much easier to do, to be perfectly honest i havnt really read the TM article.
:Actually I have been thinking of dividing the character page and placing the character of the OVA's inside of the OVA page section so we can complete that section, and the TV series characters in their repective pages. This way we can cut down on page page as it is 56kb, and we can add more characters to it. For the movies and their characters the second can be put in the OVA section since it was based off an OVA cannon and the first and third can be put in Tenchi Universe section. While a new section should be created for the manga and their characters. The main page should just be reserved for the Tenchi, Ryoko, Ayeka, Sasami, Mihoshi, Washu, Kiyone, Ryo-ohki, Katsuhito, Nobuyuki, Azaka, Kamidake, Kagato, and Tsunami (So I can put in Pretty Sammy information) since they appear in mulitple series. I would also like to create an offical manga page for the manga series since if we put the characters there it will make it easier for people to understand. Finally for the OVA characters, only Seriyo Tennan's, (To replace the one in that section with the one on the main page because it has more detail, but put in a few elements from the other profile into this one.). Airi Masaki, and Seto Kamiki Jurai's profiles should be kept in the GXP page since they have more a presenence in that series than in the OVA's or to just take out the GXP information from Seiryo Tennan page on the main page and just put that in the OVA page. Lastly each different Tenchi page should have a Voice list section put in similar to the one on the GXP page.
:So by doing this we can a. cut down on page space on the main page. b. have the potential to add in new character profiles for different characters of different series. c. be able for inexperienced readers to have an easier time of understanding the material from different series. --Adv193
::I feel that as long as we can achieve something of a similar quality to the oh my goddess page and subpage we would really be getting somewhere... maybe we could have an oppose and support thread and put our heads together for ways of improving this... Crampy20 18:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to enlist some help, i have added this article to the anime and manga improvment list, i hope there are no objections? Crampy20 13:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ToDo Box and tasks 

message: I have created a charcter box here
i think is possibly arguable, and it is not entirely finished yet... please take a look as i plan on putting it on the bottom of every TM character page.Crampy20 14:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also created charcter pages for all the major characters and villans, i havent actually written anything, but i have done a redirection from say Ayeka -> Ayeka Masaki Jurai and added in a message saying that the pages are "pending". Hopefully some people can do a write up.Crampy20 14:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The character box is fine as far as it goes (although a couple of the names need to be disambiguated) BUT I found it frustrating not to have complete Japanese and English cast lists in one place. Lee M (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and only now do I look at the dates here. Well, two years old or not, the character box DOES need fixing. Lee M (talk) 03:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Box (not info box) 

message: My idea for the next step is that we can place all the minor incedental characters into the seperate series pages as it would be easier to write small articles for them, for example for the OVA page we can put down characters such Kiyone Masaki, The Innkeeper, Taro Masaki, the GP Commander and Section Chief, Tenchi's old classmates, Misao Kuramitsu, and any other minor character in the OVA's. Then to place a voice actor list at the bottom of the page, for all the characters in that series. While all the manga characters can also in the OVA series section as they were based around that continuity. 
Finally the only other character I was think of putting in the template is Kazuhiko Amagasaki and Seiryo Tennan (Which includes moving his profile from the GXP page) as they have appeared in multiple series --Adv193
:Sounds decent to me. Does this mean just have all the other series mirror the GXP page when it comes to the minor characters and voice cast? If I enter in the names, kanji/kana, and voice cast, will someone help in adding in the descriptions? I can probably do a decent enough job doing descriptions in Pretty Sammy since it's the part I've watched over the most at this point. EmperorBrandon 18:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, adding random articles for random characters is frankly a waste of time and space. Adding a article for characters that span more than 2 episodes, then yes that is worthwhile. Voice actors is a must, images are a must, i have recently got bogged down with work and was planning on adding character galleries, i did a small one for kagato but couldnt continue. I probably wont be on very oftent this week. Crampy20 16:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The next step

message: While originally I was going to be bold and go on ahead, I thought I might look for consensus and others' opinions on this one before moving forward. 
I'm all for it, though YMMV. Papacha 22:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should GXP and Pretty Sammy be added to the infobox...? 

message: Nippon Television (NTV) was involved in the production of the third OVA after Geneon pulled out. BiggKwell
I would agree since I saw them in the end credits when I was using my DVD to gather the end credits info in order to put the ending info for OVA 3 on the Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki page. After Checking it again it said Producded by Nippon Television and VAP at the very end of the credits -Adv193 19:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about Nippon Television 

message: What does Tenchi Muyo! mean in English? Muyou means "useless", although "tenchi" is no such word in Japanese and doesn't mean anything in another language. The only use of "tenchi" is for the character named, "Tenchi". --PJ Pete
:I think it means "this way up". But Tenchi alone means Heaven and Earth. 81.79.129.249 11:25, January 24, 2008 (UTC)
::Well, from what I've always heard it means "No Need for Heaven and/or Earth", though "Useless Tenchi" sounds about right for the main character.  Doktor  Wilhelm  15:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be a multi-level pun: as a whole, it does indeed mean "this side up" (something you'd write on a box.  here's an online dictionary with explanation in Japanese).  If you take "Tenchi" as the name of the character, it would mean "No need for Tenchi", which is clearly how it's usually translated.  "Tenchi" also means "heaven and earth", so you could infer some other meaning from that.. I suggest removing the "bizarrely" comment from the article and explaining the correct idiomatic meaning of the word.  Samg boston (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The DVD pack I have gave this information: the Japanese management staff distributing the series thought that the anime title meant "No need for up and down," insinuating an off-the-wall comedy.  The other pun, translated "No Need for Tenchi," can refer to Tenchi being an almost secondary character in his own story. --Mulder8281 (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does it mean 

message: Tenchi Muyo! RPG. Should this be added to external links? 71.224.18.28 16:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPG on IRC 

message: I've put forward a request for a Tenchi Wiki and need help with it if it's accepted. If you're interested, join up at wikia.com - The 4th Snake (talk) 22:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenchi Wiki 

message: Which continuity is it that has 13 episodes and ends with "Here comes Jurai"?
perfectblue (talk) 19:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion over continuity 

message: Hi everybody over there! I have been learning Japanese here in Japan now for 8 months and before that I was learning Japanese at University for 3 years. I thought I might tell people more detailed information regarding the Japanese words used in this series. First of all, Tenchi Muyou is a Yonmoji jukugo (an ancient Chinese proverb made up of 4 kanji). There are, of course, hundreds of Yonmoji jukugo in Japanese which were all imported into Japan, some hundreds and some over a thousand years ago. Tenchi Muyou is written as one word in Japanese by combining 4 characters (all of which are relatively easy kanji to write). If you were to translate this directly, thus giving a relatively weak translation in terms of its significance, it does indeed say "this side up", but if you translate it literally, it means "don't use heaven for earth." Of course, this yonmoji jukugo is only used for luggage or boxes or bags with stuff in them, but it basically means don't carry the box/luggage/etc. from the heaven side (top), instead carry it from the earth or bottom side. Also, the way this proverb is used in Japanese is different from how "this side up" is used in English. For example, in Japanese you could say "Kono hako no naka ni osake ga haitteimasu kara, tenchimuyou desu." (in this box there is alcohol, so it is Tenchi Muyou). You would say this sentence if somebody was helping you move this box, for example. But my point is that in Japanese something IS Tenchi Muyou, so technically you do not use it exactly the same as you use "this side up" in English. Now I will talk a little about the Japanese names in the series. First off, and I hope this doesn't disappoint any of you too much, there are no people in Japan running around with names like Ichigo, Sasami, or Aeka, or Tenchi because these names sound ridiculous to Japanese people. They are simply made up names to either match or parody the personalities of the characters. Ichigo of course means strawberry and no Japanese parent in their right mind would name their kid this, even if they a different combination of Kanji for the name because in the end it still sounds like strawberry, which is a fruit, not a person's name. Sasami, even though they use different kanji for her name in the series, still sounds exactly like the white meat or breast meat of a chicken, so nobody names their child Sasami either. Her name is probably Sasami because she's an excellent cook. Nobody walks around with the name Aeka either, because Aeka refers to a person who is physically very weak and delicate. Finally, Tenchi is not anyone's name, either. It's just the first half of the proverb, Tenchi Muyou. The word muyou does exist in Japanese however, and it means useless or unnecessary, as in the phrase "mondou muyou!" which means, literally "questions and answers are useless/unnecessary!" but directly translated means "end of discussion!" or "I don't want to hear another word about it!" I don't believe Mondou Muyou is a yonmoji jukugo because I don't think it's imported from China but just something the Japanese came up with themselves (and it has to come from China to be a yonmoji jukugo), but I could be wrong. Well, hopefully people enjoyed that even though it was a lot to read (and took a while to type, phew!).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.221.250.180 (talk) 11:21 am, 24 November 2008, Monday (5 months, 3 days ago) (UTC−7) 
This is a continuation from what I wrote above. It seems nobody here is willing to believe me about the idiom tenchi muyou, so I will list some more yoji jukugo (or yonmoji jukugo). Another example is ishin denshin, which kind of means "heart to heart". Like when two people are really close, and one person looks distressed, the other person just looks at the person's face and can tell what they are thinking without any words being used, that's called ishin denshin. Another example of an idiom which originally comes from China from Nanjing during the Nanbokuchou era in Japan (time when there were two capitals in Japan, literally Nanbokuchou means "South North split") is "Garyou Tensei". Garyou Tensei literally means "adding eyes to the picture of a dragon". As I was saying, during this era in Japan, in China at that time there was a famous artist who drew a picture of a beautiful dragon on the wall of a temple in Nanjing. So beautiful was this dragon, in fact, that it almost looked alive. Curiously enough, however, the artist did not draw the eyes into the eye sockets for the dragon, which led people to complain: "if you would just fill in the eyes, the dragon may come to life and fly away into the sky". So great was peoples' desire to see this happen, that the artist finally acceded and drew the eyes. Sure enough, just after he finished the picture, the dragon came to life, off the wall, and flew away into the sky. The saying Garyou Tensei means to do something to the finish until it is perfect, as you can probably guess from reading the story. Then, there is another interesting saying: "Gaja Tensoku", which means "adding legs to the picture of a snake". In Chinese, I believe the saying is pronounced "Huashi Tianzoh", and uses the same characters that are used in the Japanese pronunciation: the "ga" is the ga of "eiga", or movie in Japanese, the ja can also be pronounced hebi in Japanese, which is a snake, the ten can also be pronounced "soeru", which is a verb meaning "to add" in Japanese, finally, the soku can also be pronounced ashi in Japanese, which means leg or legs. Long ago, there were six Confucian disciples who were traveling together in China, and they made a bet over a bottle of rice wine. The winner would be able to drink the entire bottle. The bet was about who could draw a picture of a snake the fastest. So they each started to draw pictures of snakes, and one guy did draw faster and finished first, but then he thought: "everyone else is still drawing, so I still have time to draw some extra neat little features for my snake". I guess you could say he was trying to be artistic, so he drew some legs coming out of the snake. However, this made him ultimately lose the bet, because the other disciples argued that a snake with legs is no longer a snake. Therefore, this idiom means to do something unnecessary and botch things up. Like when somebody makes a speech and they're supposed to talk for 5 minutes, so for the first 3 minutes they do a beautiful job, but then they realize they still have some time left, so they spend the next 2 minutes talking about something weird or irrelevant, and everyone decides their speech is garbage because they messed up in the end. You could call that speech Gaja Tensoku. So, now does anybody believe what I said about the idiom tenchi muyou? There's loads of other yonmoji/yoji jukugo out there, so feel free to ask your Japanese friends about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.63.91.124 (talk • contribs)  06:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Word Tenchi Muyou is not Yonmoji jukugo. It is only a joke. 221.184.33.122 (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some things from someone who has been living in Japan for 8 months about Tenchi Muyou 

message: I have started a chapter list for Tenchi Muyo! in my userspace, at User:Dinoguy1000/List of Tenchi Muyo! chapters. Everyone is free to contribute to it however you want, but please don't move it to the mainspace or link to it from articles or templates. When it's ready, I'll move it to the mainspace myself, and then it can be linked to as appropriate. Thanks! —Dinoguy1000 21:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter list 

message: Is it significant to note that this show aired on Cartoon Network in the US?  It had a pretty big American following before then, but it could be argued that this is a reason why the show is notable.  There's no mention of it on this page, though the individual show pages mention it. --Sketchee (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why it isn't noted but yes, it should be noted that it aired on Cartoon Network. MS (Talk|Contributions) 22:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartoon Network 

message: At first short note. Even though Ms. Hagesawa stated herself as scriptwriter of OVA1 episodes 1-6 (http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/Articles/Hasegawa%20Intro.html), it may be an exaggeration (http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/Articles/Kajishima-Hasegawa%20Conflict.txt). Putting this concern (whether 3+5 are really the only eps she was involved in) aside, more problematic thing is indirect statement about Manatsu no Eve movie following OVA1 story. It's true that Hasegawa was involved in it, but in the film Katsuhito is not Ayeka's brother (Yosho) as he is in OVA1. Compare -- OVA1 episode 5: Kagato addresses Katsuhito as first crown prince of Jurai's royal family (~12min), Ayeka asks whether he's Yosho, and he confirms it (~15min); movie: Katsuhito wishing for having tree of light and Ayeka stating it was her brother's royal tree, which is "right here" (~46min). Manatsu no Eve is only a movie based on one of Hasegawa's novels (http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/Section%201/FAQ-2.html), but with such blatant change it cannot be a part of the "continuity" defined by OVA1. I haven't read novels, so cannot comment them. --Przemoc86 (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasegawa canon? 

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message: This is going to sound like (and probably go as well as) refuting gravity, but, we seem to just simply accept that Tenchi in Tokyo is a separate continuity to Tenchi Universe. The reasoning behind this is that the characters have slightly different personalities, some of the histories are tweaked, and some of the character wear different clothes (seriously). Tenchi in Tokyo is guilty of changing plots mid stream as it is, so it doesn't surprise me that the characters would be ever so slightly different in the Tokyo series from Universe, and it has been stated that Tokyo was originally designed as a sequel to universe. This page is significantly lacking in references, and I can't find and official sources that actually state that these are actually different universes.
Surely we shouldn't be taking it as fact, based on hearsay and fan assumptions.124.170.78.202 (talk) 06:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I watched both when i was a kid. I remembered these to pillars being sacrificed but still alive later on. I dont necessarily think tgeir the same universe and i doubt its "hear-say".Lucia Black (talk) 07:09, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a while since I've watched them all the way through myself, however I am in the process of doing so for my own research. I've not gotten that far, but if I remember correctly, when they are "sacrificed" they are released from the wooden versions to be real Juraian's again. All the same, without an official reference, it may as well be hearsay/assumptions according to the Wiki guidelines.124.170.78.202 (talk) 15:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not really hear-say. But we shouldnt remove it just because unsourced. If its obvious then its fine for now. Instead of asking for ref, look for yourself too.Lucia Black (talk) 20:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: (removed)124.170.98.118 (talk) 12:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh... forget it...124.170.98.118 (talk) 12:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

text: In Tenchi Universe, Tenchi meets Ryoko and Mihoshi on the first day, but meets Ayeka, Sasami, Washu, and Kiyone on later dates. In Tenchi in Tokyo, all of those girls met Tenchi on the same day (and they even celebrate it as a "Tenchi Anniversary"). That isn't really the kind of huge inconsistency that can be explained away. In Tenchi Universe, Mihoshi and Kiyone end up living in an apartment together rather than in Tenchi's house. In Tenchi in Tokyo, Mihoshi and Kiyone both live in Tenchi's house along with the other girls. I suppose this inconsistency COULD be explained away. But wait, there's more. In Tenchi Universe's continuity (as seen in the movie Tenchi in Love 2), Ryoko has the ability to teleport to any place she's been before (which would make her able to teleport to and from Tenchi's apartment in Tokyo once she's visited it once), and she can also pick up and carry someone else with her while she teleports a long distance (which is how she rescues Tenchi in the movie Tenchi in Love 2). However, in Tenchi in Tokyo, Ryoko's teleportation abilities are nowhere near as good, only working over short distances, which is essential to the plot, because Ryoko constantly wants to visit Tenchi in Tokyo but has a lot of trouble getting there. This inconsistency in Ryoko's teleportation abilities can't be explained away either. Plus the bit in Tenchi in Tokyo about the Masaki family being secret guardians of the Earth appears nowhere in any of the Tenchi Universe series or the 2 movies that are sequels to Tenchi Universe (Tenchi in Love and Tenchi in Love 2). In Tenchi Universe, the Masaki family secret isn't that they're guardians of the Earth, but that they are part of the Jurai royal family, higher in the line of succession than either Ayeka or Sasami. Another inconsistency, not really between the 2 series, but an internal inconsistency in Tenchi in Tokyo, is that the girls have several spaceships they can use for high-speed travel, yet they never use them to go to or from Tokyo even though they really want to go to or from Tokyo throughout most of the series. There is also an internal inconsistency in Tenchi Universe, where Ayeka sometimes makes fun of Ryoko for being imprisoned for 700 years, when actually that happened in the original OVA series and not in Tenchi Universe, and in Tenchi Universe, the one who was imprisoned for 700 years was Washu, and Ryoko and Ayeka are both the same age and knew each other when they were little girls. So to summarize, Tenchi Universe and Tenchi in Tokyo are incompatible and contradict each other in numerous ways, so they can't be part of the same continuity, although they also have some internal contradictions too. And sometimes those contradictions are on purpose for comic effect, like in the episode of Tenchi Universe where Kiyone is introduced, and after trying to arrest Ryoko at gunpoint, in the next scene they are both happily having a meal together with everyone as if nothing happened, and then Kiyone exclaims "What happened to that scene I was just in?" and tries to arrest Ryoko again. But what REALLY makes no sense at all is the last 2 episodes (episodes 19 and 20) of the OVA series (part of OVA 3). They are just complete nonsense, like the last 2 episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Those last 2 episodes of the OVA series are a complete disaster, and I can't even get into talking about inconsistencies because they are too nonsensical for the idea of inconsistencies to even apply. Plus when Tenchi is next to Saturn in OVA episode 19 he calls it Jupiter, even though Saturn looks totally different and has all those rings. Don't even get me started on how terrible the ending of OVA 3 is and how it ruined something whose earlier episodes were excellent... but my point was, Tenchi Universe and Tenchi in Tokyo are very much incompatible with each other and contradict each other in many ways. And actually there are more than 3 universes. The Mihoshi Special is a 4th universe, the movie The Daughter of Darkness is a 5th universe, the 2 main manga series are also both separate universes, and each of the Pretty Sammy adaptations (the 3 OVA episodes of Pretty Sammy, the Magical Project S show, and Sasami Magical Girls Club) is a separate universe 2. So that's a total of 10 universes if I've counted correctly, or 11 if you also count Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure. Luckily the GXP and War on Geminar series are both in the same universe as the original OVA series, since the writers got much better at writing things consistently by the time those series were written. --Yetisyny (talk) 14:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the evidence of three universes? 

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