Talk:Candice Wilmer

message: I don't know that the very brief impersonations by Candice would really qualify as "aliases", as listed in the summary box.--Trystan 23:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliases 

message: If her powers a mental 1 and not shapshifting, how comes the illusion fooled the cameras in 5 years gone, when sylar as president nathan came on it?-- user:Srstorey
:Perhaps her power isn't just sending sounds and images into someone's mind telepathicaly, but physically altering the light and sound waves around her, somehow. 67.167.127.178 03:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Power

message: 1)The powers section was all plagiarized from Heroeswiki. 
2) Her name is misspelled. It's "Candace Willmer", not "Candice Wilmer".  EditingManiac (contribs) 21:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heroeswiki is hardly a canonical source - I'll point you to  where it even says the official NBC spelling is "Candice Wilmer". Also, Heroeswiki is a wiki, stuff can't be plagiarized from there. --Pentasyllabic 21:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, I'm not using that site as a canonical source. It is spelled "Candace Willmer" on the list, thus that is how it should be spelled. And NBC frequently gets stuff wrong. Examples: They spell Niki with two "K's", mix up the Haitian with D.L., thought Aron Malksy was the actor's name, and misspelled Eric Roberts as "Eric Robert". They're hardly reliable either. EditingManiac (contribs) 23:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's not. It's spelled "Candace Wi" on the list - there's no proof that they're even the same person (unless there's another "list" besides the one in "Homecoming" that I'm not aware of.) And making mistakes doesn't make NBC any less official. (Another example would be the misspelling of "Gitelman" with an extra 't' in the graphic novels.) --Pentasyllabic 02:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: See, on this view of the list, it's "Candace Willmer". Doesn't Wikipedia have any sort of canonicity policy? EditingManiac (contribs) 02:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's interesting. I'll put my comments on hold for now - does anyone else have a say on what to do with her name? --Pentasyllabic 02:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "Landslide" also describes them as "Micah Sanders and Candice". All of NBC's official recaps spell her name "Candice". One typo one "the List" does not override the on-screen and online spellings of her name. The "list" version is the typo. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few things... 

message: *In the episode ".07%", the special effect used to show Candice's power has changed.  Previously, it was shown as a "shimmery" effect that impacted much of the area around her. Now, it is shown as a "morph" effect that affects only her. Similarly, in the future depicted in the episode "Five Years Gone", Sylar, using Candice's power to pose as Nathan Petrelli, removes his disguise, and a simple morph effect is used.
The above note is, to me, null en void. Candice's power shimmers when she's effecting her surroundings. For instance, when she's hiding a group of people or hiding a dead body. When it's only her she's hiding, her body morphs. Thats not a change of effect, it's just because of the way she's using her power. Jacobshaven3 17:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Urm, the background isn't the same. She's hiding Johnson et al from view... I'll wait a day or so before removing again to prevent an edit war. Jacobshaven3 09:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ignore comment, just re-watched and she isn't hiding them, my bad. Jacobshaven3 09:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Power Note 

message: In Landslide shes talking to Micah and says that she was rejected be other becuase the way she was born, would this ,mean she has a horrible birthmark- RREDD13 23:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is speculation... and will have to wait for some sort of proof. (Furthermore, don't forget that when she was knoced out by Niki, she retained her "Missy Peregrym look" - despite all of her other illusions disappearing.) --Ckatzchatspy 18:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is an implication the image that we see is not her natural appearance, and that her natural appearance is "less attractive" than the appearance we see on the screen. It's also possible that it really is her natural appearance, and that she has a distorted view of her own appearance.--RLent 21:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to my own opinion, I'm obese, however others don't think so... Candice says she's fat, but when knocked out her illusions vanished and she became her, therefore it seems realistic that the Candice we know is the real body. Jacobshaven3 03:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Candice states that she is overweight. Going by her statements and the info in the graphic novels, evidence shows that she is obese. It would be speculation to conclude that she isn't. Ophois 19:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it is actually speculation to presume that she is. The text that was added (and since removed) makes it appear as if it is a fact that Candice should look like a grown-up Betty - girth and all. However, we have no proof of that. As was mentioned earlier, many people consider themselves "fat" even when they are not. Could Candice be perpetuating an illusion to disguise an oversized "Betty-ness"? Possibly. Could she have worked hard to get in shape, leaving behind the look that caused her so much pain in school? Again, possibly. We don't know which one is correct, and as such we have to leave the text in a neutral form, explaining what we do know. --Ckatzchatspy 20:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thing is, if we're going to speculate as to what is "under her skin" (so to speak), then we have to question a lot of other things. For one thing, If Candice really is huge (as opposed to "huge"), then how does she move so quickly and fight so well? It is similar to the case of Angela Petrelli - she made broad hints as to being "special", but we have no concrete proof. The same is true in this situation. --Ckatzchatspy 21:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When has she moved quickly? If she has, her illusion powers would allow her to look like she is (cover up sweat and panting). With Angela, she has only hinted that she has a power. Candice has come right out and said that she is overweight. Ophois 23:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fight with Niki. Again, we have *no verifiable proof* that she is obese and covering it up. We have *no verifiable proof* that she isn't obese. We can only report what we know, and cannot draw any conclusions from it. (Remember the debate over Sylar, Peter, and the fire/ice battle?) --Ckatzchatspy 23:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What we know is what Candice said. If trusting what a character says is speculation, then we're going to have to go through a lot of pages and remove a lot of stuff. Ophois 23:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not quite accurate. If Peter said, "I can fly" - but we never actually see him fly - we can't claim he actually has the power of flight. We can only say that he claims to be able to fly. (Unless, of course, Tim Kring goes on record as stating that Peter has the power.) We a) know that Candice/Betty was obese as a teenager; b) know that Candice has the power of illusion, and has used it to disguise herself; c) know that Candice has said she is "huge" (or fat or whatever). We do not, however, know for certain what she meant by that statement - whether it was a fact, a personal feeling, or whatever. We also do not know if Candice is currently using her power of illusion to disguise her true shape. Yes, she was obese, and says that she is "huge"; we could conclude that she is in disguise. Yet, when her illusion collapses when she passes out, her body doesn't change at all.  Isn't it just as speculative - if not more so - to conclude that she is able to maintain one particular illusion while unconscious when evidence shows that the others collapse? --Ckatzchatspy 23:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looks 

message: The name of actress who plays Betty (or Candice's true self) should be mentioned in the article. Lore aura 15:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Actresses

message: This is just a question, since I didn't see the scene too closely--did Sylar "analyze" Candice correctly? From what I saw, it certainly looked like her head was intact. . . . [Whether he did it "properly" or not is worth mentioning, if not here, then in Sylar's article.] Samer 20:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. He didn't have his TK though, so he may have to do it differently (we never if he actually removed the brain from his first victim, either).Ophois 20:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For all we know, the makers of the show could decide down the line to bring her back (Even with another actress, it's not like the character ties them to a single one) and just say that Sylar's whole experience of killing her was another illusion (Hence him not being able to use her power) - Until we see him figure a way to use it, or see him use another power but not manage to use hers, we don't know if he did the job properly or not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.188.60 (talk) 04:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: One of the writers stated that she is dead.Ophois 05:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candice's body 

message: This article ought to have an image of Candice in her true form as Betty from the webcomic. I would upload this one but I'm not sure what license would fit it. --Is this fact...? 19:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betty Image 

message: The article states Candice's two forms, one when she was knocked unconscious by Niki and the other when she was killed by Sylar. Is there any explanation about why she looks different in these two situations, i.e., does this indicate something fundamental about her abilities (i.e., her power works even when she's unconscious, but not when she's dead)? Or is this simply a production oversight? — Loadmaster 23:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  True appearance 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Candace.jpgImage-Example.jpg

message: Does anyone else think this page should be merged into the List of Heroes characters with special abilities page? I'm suggesting it because I believe this article was created rather hastily- the 19th of March, I believe, only two weeks or so after  Parasite aired and her second appearance in the show. Just a suggestion, we'll talk about it. The no erz (talk) 04:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no merge.  i dont agree with this merge--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 20:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that the character honestly played a relatively small role in the series (and one that presumably has run its course), I would say this article probably should be merged. Candice is considerably less important overall than other characters that haven't warranted their own entries. 74.74.65.213 (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge.  She was a plot device, not a really important character. QuasiAbstract (talk) 10:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge of course. From the 4 photos I think we have to keep they one in which she shapeshifts. This can be put in the main article with no problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge?