Talk:History of the Jews in Latvia

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:Where did you get his material? -Will Beback 07:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: A couple of points: the statement that the Aizsargi participated in the Holocaust has been repeated and reiterated and is a stock feature of accounts of this horrible period. But there is a problem with it: the Aizsargi as an organization did not exist at this time. 
The Soviets had identified it, no doubt correctly, as a hostile element, and they wasted no time in abolishing it. The high-ranking officers in this paramilitary organization were among the deportees to remote parts of the USSR. When the Nazis replaced the Soviets as the occupying power, they did not permit any country-wide organization other than those that they themselves invented, and certainly the last thing they would have tolerated was an armed, trained group such as the Aizsargi. What they did was to organize so-called "self-defense" units, in part imitating the organizational structure of the Aizsargi and including some former Aizsargi among their members. And of these "self-defense" groups, some were indeed used in actions against Jews--mostly arresting and transporting them but in some cases directly participating in the murder of Jews. But the Aizsargi as such did not exist; there were former members, but no command structure, no organizational structure, nothing of the sort. That some individual former Aizsargi committed crimes during the Holocaust is true; that the Aizsargi as such did so is misleading assertion. 
The Pērkonkrusts party, which had been illegal in independent Latvia, is another story. It was small and powerless, but not without a baleful influence in some circles, and since it was viciously anti-Semitic the Nazis thought that it might be useful and allowed it to operated in return for cooperation. The Pērkonkrustieši turned out a few anti-Semitic pamphlets in 1941, but the honeymoon was short-lived--the inherent incompatibility between German and Latvian nationalism, even if the latter came in a fascist form as was the case with the Pērkonkrustieši. So before long the Nazis in their turn outlawed the Pērkonkrustiesi, who never met a government that could tolerated them. That the leaders of the infamous Arājs Commando (and the two similar groups that operated only locally and were disbanded early) were members of Pērkonkrusts is simply not so, no matter how often it is repeated. It is hard to think of anything good to say of this party, but they were not at all as important in the Holocaust as the stereotype account depicts them. 
This sort of thing is simply recycled, quoted and quoted from quotations ad infinitem. What we need is articles that are based on the work of Margers Vestermanis, Andrievs Ezergailis, and the other historians who at last are giving us serious, source-based histories of the Holocaust in Latvia. Stephen.r 03:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree. Latvian "fascist" coup? The fascist party was outlawed and their leader thrown in jail! Ulmanis was not inimical to the Jews--the authoritarian actions which applied to all politically oriented movements and parties at the time are incorrectly portrayed here as focused on Jews. Most notably missing: as soon as the Soviets occupied Latvia, Stalin deported the Jewish merchant class by the thousands to their deaths in Siberia. There is no mention of this--instead, we have the parroting of Soviet propaganda that the Latvians were Fascists (aka Nazis). As mentioned by Stephen.r, the Latvian extremists/fascists-and this is not the Ulmanis government--were anti-everyone (especially the Germans and the Nazis who were just more Germans). It's tragic that this sort of shallow and misrepresentative material is appearing in an encyclopedia on Judaica. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 23:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Passed through today, this time noticing "In addition to the above, the Jewish population was subjected to a heavy burden of taxes[citation needed]." What is the article (original source) saying? That Latvia had an ethnic-based taxation system? And who "expelled" Jews to the interior during WWI? This sort of passive tense mumbo-jumbo confuses more than informs. Oh the long list of things to rewrite. —PētersV (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: 1. There aren't no word about that by % jews from Latvia take big casulties in deportations to Soviet Union in june of 1941. From all deported to Siberia they was 13%, but in Latvia to that year lived about 5% jews, so soviets make first strike to those poeple. 
2. There is words After liberation. It wasn't no liberation in 1944., it was second ocupation of Latvia... in 1949. year was deportode about 42 000 people to Siberia. --Kurlandlegionar (talk) 22:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: Sorry, Stalin got to the Baltic first and spared no one. PetersV <SMALL><SMALL>     </SMALL> TALK</SMALL> 00:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wrong and smells like Nazism" and somesuch 

message: It would probably be relevant to include some information on LEGU: Latvijas Ebrei - Genocida Upuri; Holocaust Survivors' Organization of Latvian Jewry. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: I hope the selection of people I did was good enough!
Mark RothkoMikhail TalMischa MaiskyPhilippe HalsmanAbraham Isaac KookRogatchover Gaon
Feel free to suggest more ideas here! Guitar hero on the roof (talk) 19:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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