Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Minnesota/Archive 4

message: There seems to be an edit war going on at KMSP-TV, with two users arguing over formatting and wording.  I don't think there's any constructive work taking place on the article, though.  Someone should check on it and see if they can foist some progress onto the article.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war at [[KMSP-TV]] 

message: There was discussion on the article for the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Depot Freight House and Train Shed (U.S. National Register of Historic Places), now officially called "The Depot" (including in Larry Millett's new AIA guide), on whether we should go with the name on the National Register (in this case, a very long and archaic name) or what people call it today.  Ask Elkman put it, it might confuse tourists or others trying to find the location by asking locals.  Redirects (and disambiguation pages) can help point everyone to the right article, regardless of which direction is chosen.  However, looking at the Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places's position on article names ("The name of the article should be the current, formal title of the place. Other accepted names can be indicated in the first sentence with bold text."), it would be the current common name is the correct name to use.  However, I wanted to first bring it up here so that we can all be on the same page and bring in opinions --though I didn't sense there was great passion on any particular side of this point. --Bobak 20:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article names: Current or that used in the National Register of Historic Places 

message: FYI Target_Corporation is up at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Target_Corporation. I plan to do a run through tonight.  -Ravedave 20:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Target corp up at FAC 

message: Columbus, Minnesota, which incorporated last year, needs a map and general formatting changes. DandyDan2007 20:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbus, MN 

message: Hey Wikiproject members. I'm a native Minneapolitan back home for a month with nothing to do. So I thought I'd take some photos and GFDL them for various Minnesota articles. I looked through the category and there are definitely photos I can contribute, but I also saw you have a list of articles that you are working on specifically. So I figured I'd ask if there's any ranking of needed photos by importance. I'm in Minneapolis but I'm wheeled, so anything in the extended Twin Cities area is a possibility. Natalie 16:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Might be able to help 

message: Hello. This product of being bold may prove to be a candidate for deletion. Just "because it's there" I made a List of contributing properties in the St. Anthony Falls Historic District and linked that to Saint Anthony Falls. It could take many person-lifetimes to complete and I can't offer to straighten it out, but it may prove to be useful or not. Thoughts? -Susanlesch 02:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's handy for listing out what needs to be done. There are lots of "data page" type things on WP. This one seems to be sourced so I don't think it will be deleted. -Ravedave 02:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks and for the help. Rated it start for now. -Susanlesch 23:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest re-titling the List article as "St. Anthony Falls Historic District" and providing some overview before the list.  This could then be developed in more detail than would be appropriate within the article about St. Anthony Falls.  The district deserves to be a separate article.  FYI, a very incomplete article on another historic district that I worked on, barely starting its list, is Geneseo Historic District. doncram 00:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Anthony Falls Historic District 

message: FYI our neighbors to the west have Grand Forks, North Dakota up for FAC and would probably appreciate a revirew. Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Grand_Forks%2C_North_Dakota -Ravedave 02:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was promoted to FA status! --MatthewUND(talk) 06:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand Forks

message: There are several recent featured lists that could be copied for Minnesota. 
*List of counties in Arizona
*Current members of the Maryland House of Delegates
*List of state symbols of Maryland
and an older one:
*List of Pennsylvania state parks
I have been trying to work on our state park list for a while, and added a schnazzy map, but more text is needed. -Ravedave 18:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am considering nominating List of Governors of Minnesota for featured list status.  It is roughly modeled after the List of Presidents of the United States.  Any thoughts/suggestions? -Gopherbone 20:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured list possibilities 

message: I'm sure just about everyone's heard about this, this has turned a few articles into current events. --Bobak 23:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: YES I have been having a hell of a time editing out or straightening up information.  Honestly there are many articles which have a mention of this bridge/incident when to us Twin Citians it is clearly an unrelated or vaguely linked topic. It has also led to people editing information in the WRONG place such as incorrectly stating the I-94 bridge went down. Sigh I guess CNN does encourage people to do stupid things. Davumaya 10:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[I-35W Mississippi River Bridge]] tragedy 

message: Please be advised that the Duluth, Minnesota aticle is currently being demoted from its GA status at WP:GA/R. The causes are: not enough references, too much lists, and random year wikification.--SidiLemine 13:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At Duluth GA/R. Kablammo 16:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duluth GA/R 

message: Hello. Is :Image:University_of_Minnesota_Medical_Center-Fairview-20050611.jpg the University of Minnesota Medical Center Phillips-Wangensteen Building? The photographer is from out of town and wasn't sure. It looks like other photos of the building but much larger than I imagined. Thanks in advance. -Susanlesch 03:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you very much, Gopherbone. I changed the caption to "Phillips-Wangensteen, Moos Tower and other buildings in the East Bank complex" hoping that will be a start anyway. -Susanlesch 04:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, that picture is crooked. Do you have software to straighten it up?  I'd guess it needs about 2 degrees CCW. --Appraiser 13:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: *OK I rotated it. -Susanlesch 13:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: University of Minnesota Medical Center or Saint Paul photo

message: Is there any interest in having another meetup? I'm thinkin someplace like a bar this time so we can mingle. -Ravedave 05:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay old st. anthony main: Pracna! Or Tugg's Tavern. In a twist of irony since the I-35W bridge has begun plaguing our articles, why not have a drink just upriver. Davumaya 10:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe everyone should all head out to Tenney and have Spottacus give a tour!  Kablammo 18:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All are welcome!  I don't live there but I know everyone who does, and they'd love to have you.  They've even been sprucing up their Social Hall in hopes that people will come out for a visit.  And I'd host a barbecue and bonfire on my property there.  If I sound overeager, that's because I am!Spottacus 18:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: We could ask the NoDak folks.  Maybe Jimbo would come.  Is there a place to float his yacht?  Kablammo 19:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The Bois de Sioux River is a couple of miles away, although if it rains hard we might be able to float it in a ditch.  But seriously, I'd love to host a get-together.  Consider it.Spottacus 21:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *Is there public transportation there? I will be in Minneapolis for a couple weeks starting 17 September. -Susanlesch 20:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Although I wouldn't mind a site-seeing trip to the west coast where Tenney is, I'd really rather have a meetup in the cities, where all the people are.  I think the population center of the state is near Elk River, but a meeting place on a transit line makes.  I vote for Nordeast. --Appraiser 21:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *Damn, I asked about this on the wrong page apparently... I'm also for anywhere in the metro, particularly in the downtown --but first ring suburbs like St. Louis Park, Rosedale or St. Paul (heh) also work. St. Anthony Main is always a fun place, Pracna has plenty space.  --Bobak 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *A walk in the woods sounded nice. I don't know if there is a train or bus. Spottacus, it was very nice of you to offer to host. I can get to Nordeast or St Anthony. Will check back. -Susanlesch 00:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *Thinking, maybe there could be two, one up north and one in the cities. Two people mentioned Pracna. How about next weekend, Friday, Saturday or Sunday, 28, 29 or 30 September at Pracna on Main? Can anyone make that and what time? Do they require reservations or is it more like a bar? -Susanlesch 01:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Pracna is a restaurant/bar with a large side room (and large patio) and normally wouldn't need a reservation for a group of under 20 (just from my experience).  A call wouldn't hurt, of course (once a date/time is set).  As a college football nut (and very active participant in Wikiproject College Football), I lean against Saturday (unless its afternoon, not night). --Bobak 05:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd be up for another meetup.  Should we be talking about it here?  I almost missed in on Talk:WP-MN. --Marumari 20:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *This Sunday 1pm or this Friday 7pm? If two people agree on a day and time I could help spam talk pages tonight. Also will post this on the page Marumari has here, thanks. If it turns out to be too much of a rush don't mind me but here's hoping you take a photo. -Susanlesch 22:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Either works for me, though I'd prefer Sunday at 1 PM.  I can take pictures, assuming Pracna is a contributing property to the Saint Anthony Falls Historic District.  If it isn't, then maybe some people could lean against the Pillsbury "A" Mill.  (Or maybe I could just take normal pictures.  :))  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Or, as proposed at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Minneapolis, we could do October 7 as well.  I think Appraiser said he wouldn't be able to do it before then.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Pracna is a part of the district, and is the oldest restaurant in the city (though there was a break in operation, so it is the oldest restaurant space in the city).  I'm fine with either Friday 7 or Sunday 1.  Just be sure to spam me so I know to go! --Bobak 17:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *How about seconding October 7 at 1:00pm? If two people think so I will try to send some spam on Friday after work pointing to the meetup page. -Susanlesch 00:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Seconded! --Bobak 01:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *Works for me too.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Meetup?

message: List of Minnesota state parks is almost ready to go up over at Featured list candidates. The article needs copy editing and fact checking though. I have split the parks into groups of 7 for people to help out with on the discussion page. Any help would be appreciated! -Ravedave 00:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Minnesota state parks 

message: Hi. While working on the bridge article I made a map of disaster declarations during August and will check the SBA for fire counties as well and remove the dots. If you see any problems there corrections welcome. -Susanlesch 03:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a lot of disasters.  Would it be possible for you to color-code the dots or the counties to distinguish between flood, fire, bridges, droughts, and draughts? Thanks. --Appraiser 13:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disasters map

message: I have rated (or in two cases re-rated) as High importance the following arts organizations:
* Guthrie Theater
* Minneapolis Institute of Arts
* Minnesota Orchestra
* Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra
* Walker Art Center
They are probably as important to the culture of Minnesota as the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Museum of Modern Art are to New York City.  (Inexplicably the New York Philharmonic has not been rated.)  I have not yet added them to the table on the project page, in case anyone thinks they should instead be rated lower.
All of these articles need work; all have been rated Start except for the Guthrie (B)..  They could be fruitful sources of WP:DYKs.   Kablammo 20:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating of fine arts organizations 

message: Can we set up a requests section on here as a way of getting some organization of which Minnesota articles are yet to be created?  I'd be happy to spend a little time sorting through some stuff to get them up if someone with better knowledge wants to create a sub-page or something. matt91486 05:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requests

message: Hello. Based on three general audience news articles today there is some information in place about the work of Leonid Hurwicz who is on the Wikipedia main page I have no knowledge of economics and would appreciate any additions and corrections by anyone who does. -Susanlesch 17:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominated it for DYK, the tag being his status as the oldest recipient of a Nobel Prize in any category.  It would still use some fleshing out, both on his work and bio.  Kablammo 20:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kablammo, thanks. By a rough count it was 1089 characters, is now 3306, for five-fold expansion that DYK could ask for, I figure 5445. We are getting there. -Susanlesch 20:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Turns out it is a slow news week. The photo was used, the prize is still on the main page (after five days?). If you want to bail out on the nomination that is fine either way. Thanks for your help! -Susanlesch 00:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This article is on hold for GA. No guarantee it will make it, but I will try to finish up the reviewer's list in the next day or two. Again if anyone in WikiProject Minnesota would like to try or maybe has some knowledge of economics (or maybe even attended the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities) your help is most welcome! Best wishes. -Susanlesch 20:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Hi. I do have a degree from the University of Minnesota. But unfortunately I have never met Dr. Hurwicz, I have no knowledge of economics, or Poland, or Chicago, or Iowa. Go fish. What does that mean? -Susanlesch 09:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Punch line? JavaScript is my guess. -Susanlesch 09:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Peculiar, because I don't know JavaScript. Other than to copy someone else's code. -Susanlesch 14:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Economics help needed for [[Leonid Hurwicz]] on main page

message: I was looking through  and I think there are a number of "facts" that are completely dubious:
* "This was all due to surveying errors in 1758 when the town was first settled as a copper mine for Indian traders."  It couldn't possibly have been surveyed under the Public Land Survey System at that time.  And since when was New Brighton known for copper mining?
* "But as early as 1735 when a white settlement was established in what is now Long Lake Regional Park near Rice Creek, the demographic shift towards a majority of non-Indians occurred."  Again, this is highly dubious.  Any whites in the area would have been voyageurs, who weren't known for making settlements.
* "Beginning in the early 1840s, New Brighton was one of the original "Wild West" towns created by Buffalo Bill Cody to promote settlement of western lands. This was also an outcome of the Land Ordinance Act of 1841 which engendered western settlement. With the help of the railroad, settlers were able to plow the prairies of New Brighton and begin farming, and New Brighton became a model "western" town."  This is completely at odds with the history of New Brighton from the city's web site.
* "New Brighton's groundwater is highly acidic and contains elements of hydrogen sulfide. Arsnec is also present in small quantities."  This might be sneaky vandalism in a paragraph of otherwise-factual information about New Brighton's water, as mentioned here and here.
* "The northern part of New Brighton used to be called Irondale. This is evidenced by the name of New Brighton's only high school, Irondale High School. This northern region used to be a company town around the turn of the 20th century of an iron mining corporation. Irondale High School stands on the site of the original company town's elementary school."  Has anyone else here ever heard of iron mining in New Brighton?  You'd think it would be documented somewhere, along with the Vermilion, Mesabi, and Cuyuna Iron Ranges.
* A lot of stuff in "Interesting facts" is pretty trivial and not all that interesting.
I think a lot of the contributions of Special:Contributions/209.98.241.228 are suspicious, at least toward this article.  I'm not sure about their contributions to .  Does anyone have any opinions about what we should do with this article now?  Going back to the original Rambot article would be overkill, but I'm concerned about a bunch of New Brighton elementary school kids getting excited about looking for old copper and iron mines in the town.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's remove anything that sounds dubious that is unsourced.--Appraiser 13:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree nuke it from orbit. -Ravedave 14:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact check for [[New Brighton, Minnesota]] 

message: Need some input over at Template_talk:Minnesota. User:Flyingmember believes the Great River Road is a region of Minnesota - Ravedave  —Preceding comment was added at 05:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the question posed above, the Great River Road is not a region or subregion, but a feature or cluster of features along the Mississippi, particularly the Hiawatha valley of the SE Minnesota region.  Kablammo 16:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great River Road - region of Minnesota? 

message: Does WP do subprojects? I'm thinking of doing a South of the River or Southern Twin Cities collaborative that involves all the southern suburbs and outlying cities up to maybe Northfield. The reason being most of this area is linked under a combined history and continues to be interlinked (County Road-42 is an example of why). As I continue to edit articles, things that happened in one suburb/city ends up directly relating everywhere. As well Northfield editors quipped that Burnsville Center is somehow integrated into Northfield's survival/economy (albeit as a Bvillian I have never met a Northfielder at our mall). I'd like to continue exploring these supposed links and make the project more encompassing. This would also assist in getting all our start/stubby suburban articles up to par since their combined populations are starting to rival Minneapolis. 64.122.208.184 18:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry this is me. .:DavuMaya:. 18:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Hm, might consider a new Category instead. We'll see. .:DavuMaya:. 15:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Subprojects are perfectly fine for WP!  I've started one for the Minnesota Vikings of WP:NFL RyguyMN (talk) 01:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subproject? 

message: I think The quad cities should be moved.  If you have suggestions, please click Talk:The quad cities.  Thanks.--Appraiser 13:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved and cleaned up a little.  Needs references and a lot of work.  Any volunteers?  Kablammo (talk) 01:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename article?

message: Please try to include geographical coordinates on articles of locations for which photos are desired, to help photographers find subjects.  When looking at :Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Minnesota I noticed that many requested state parks weren't showing in the category's map of requested photos.  I added coordinates for all the state parks to the parks' articles so those will now show on the map.  (SEWilco (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo map and coordinates 

message: Greetings!  I see that the townships in Minnesota are named such that the county name appears in the article name only for disambiguation (if there are multiple townships with the same name), and I wondered if there would be any interest in moving to the naming convention "X Township, Y County, Minnesota" for all townships.
On a related note, I am able to provide county maps highlighting individual townships if that would be helpful; I've already done so for the townships in Indiana. Omnedon (talk) 19:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Townships 

message: Hello, anyone, could you possibly help me with the user who has been escalating and is now prolonging whatever on the talk page of Star Tribune? -Susanlesch (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again a baffling lack of feedback here. Folks, yesterday as a member of the self-appointed Wikipedia Welcoming Committee, I was led to notice that one Talk archive page in Elkman's directory showed up in my watch list, so I welcomed that person at User talk:66.188.147.210. -Susanlesch (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe nobody answered here because many watchers of this page are also likely to be watching the STrib page too.  -- SEWilco (talk) 05:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sad day, help needed

message: But where are the articles on or related to fishing and hunting in minnesota?  Outdoor activities.  I just added Common Pheasant to the project, but am unsure how to attract attention to it.  (This article was already in the South Dakota project, but probably due to smaller human population of that state, it did not receive attention.)  TableManners (talk) 04:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a section, "outdoor recreation" in the Minnesota article.  If you have a lot to add, perhaps you should create Outdoor recreation in Minnesota though; the contributors work constantly to prevent growth in the size of Minnesota. There are also articles about each of the state parks, and you may be interested in the articles in :Category:Natural history of Minnesota. You may also be interested in North Woods. As for drawing attention, new Minnesota-related articles appear in User:AlexNewArtBot/MinnesotaSearchResult a day or two after they are created; some members of the project review the new articles on a regular basis. Additionally, adding the WP:MN template to talk pages may add some traffic, as it adds the article to Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Minnesota articles by quality/1 and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Minnesota articles by quality log. Welcome to the project!--Appraiser (talk) 14:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget Ecology of Minnesota. A section on interaction between hunters/nature could be interesting. -Ravedave (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, TableManners. I took a peek and liked your article. Somewhere I read about a Pheasant Fest in Saint Paul but a real live pheasant has been rare during my life (I might have seen one, don't know). Best wishes for the holidays and the new year. -Susanlesch (talk) 06:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just signed on to the project 

message: Hello. Does the state of Minnesota home page say that deaf access to phone services are interrupted until January? I think that is what this page says. Someone reminded me Wikipedia isn't a news service. I couldn't really find a good spot to add this in Minnesota. -Susanlesch (talk) 07:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thing I don't know anyone to ask about. Gadgets Affected by Analog Shutdown (Associated Press via Wired online). Does anyone know why that happened? -Susanlesch (talk) 06:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What a shame this project has become. Best wishes for the holidays and the new year. -Susanlesch (talk) 08:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why has this project become a shame?  Because nobody mentioned an interruption in 7-1-1?  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, my apologies. Elkman, when you get to be an old woman you might get it. Helen Gurley Brown, the editor of Cosmopolitan explained it once like this, "When a woman gets old they need money." Sorry for the drip (any drip). Regarding your next question, what is the value to society of digital devices if they leave no room for analog devices? Thanks for asking. Maybe it would help to see if you can read the "Criticism" section in the DHS article. I myself only added some of it. I see at least two versions of that page (not unusual so perhaps I ought to "empty my cache" and collect my technical support paycheck. Good luck, I left a note on the DHS talk page by the way.) -Susanlesch (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I don't have a complete hatred for old analog devices.  In fact, I've been listening to a lot of recordings from this site, including the "Panel Pulsing Lovers Tape" and sounds from 5XB switches.  I've never figured out how the long distance test number in this tape is supposed to work, though.  (It's 7 minutes into the presentation.)  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You, like the other members of this project sound totally lost to me. Sorry. I may try back again later, or may have to quit this place. -Susanlesch (talk) 05:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always hand out some maps. Showers (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings, Showers. I don't believe we have ever met. What is your interest in this project? -Susanlesch (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, dear. The young man in Neiman Marcus was able to muster "she won't be needing the social club." For chrissake. In the old days of the Internet, you know what people did? They got by with fewer characters. -Susanlesch (talk) 08:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minnesota Relay

message: Season's Greetings!
For those many persons to whom I sent a barnstar at one time or another minus a few. Sorry but hell could run over and nobody here would know. Take care of yourselves please! -Susanlesch (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Season's Greetings