Talk:François Villon

message: The link http://www.biblioweb.org/-VILLON-Francois-.html is described as "Biography, Bibliography, Analysis, Plot overview (in French)" but all that I see there is a rather brief, mainly biographical, piece and more than a few commercial links. Is there any reason not to delete this as linkspam? Or am I missing something? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Linkspam?

message: The woodcut on this page has a caption that may be misleading. Though the original context (the 1489 printing of the Grand Testament) may have represented this woodcut as a portrait of Villon, the woodcut itself is actually a stock illustration used by a number of printers of the time to represent many different people (D. B. Wyndham Lewis notes that it was also used for Virgil, among others). In fact, no portrait of Villon survives to the current day. Any thoughts on how to best represent this? docether | Talk 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've recaptioned it, see what you think. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The new caption is quite a bit clearer, thanks. Perhaps we should add a small section on contemporary and / or fictional representations of Villon. For example, Rabelais clearly modelled the character of Panurge on Villon, and a number of other writers have used Villon, more or less accurately, as a fictional character. Docether 17:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woodcut of Francois Villon 

message: I'd like to get opinions on this: should the description of the Bishop's prison be expanded?  I visited the bishop's palace at Meung-Sur-Loire and the conditions of Villon's captivity were rather different from what one thinks of as a prison, even a medieval prison.  It was a hole in the ground with a circular ledge about ten feet beneath the surface.  Beyond that ledge the hole went about thirty feet deep.  Once a day the bishop's servants would lower a single piece of bread to the upper ledge, no matter how many people were captive.  The Church didn't kill anyone but the design of this place invited them to kill each other.  It was remarkable that Villon survived long enough to be pardoned.  Both the hole-in-the-ground "prison" and the torture chambers beneath the bishop's palace still survive. Durova 17:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds worth a mention to me. A citation would be good. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hooray for primary sources! Does the prison have a formal name? I'd suggest creating a page about the prison itself and linking to it from Villon's page. I notice that Meung-sur-Loire has a stub page, as well. Docether 14:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  FWIW: Such a prison cell is known as an oubliette. 121.45.161.228 (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bishop's Prison of Meung-Sur-Loire 

message: Generally, the primary sources for Villon's biography are either court documents or his own testimony from his works (the latter only being published well after his assumed death). The last known document to record any aspect of Villon's life is the record of his banishment from the city of Paris. After this point, there is no other record of his travels. Most importantly, there is no record of his death. Thus, he can fairly be said to have disappeared, and I've re-added the link to "List of people who have disappeared". Docether 18:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Using your criterion, 99.9% of the people in the Middle Ages have "disappeared." There should be some evidence of a person's disappearance, rather than a lack of information. Clarityfiend 05:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, this mischaracterizes the criteria for the List of people who have disappeared. By its description, this is a list of people "who have mysteriously disappeared, whose death is not substantiated, whose remains have not been recovered, or whose whereabouts are unknown and who may be presumed deceased." Though undoubtedly this applies to a great number of people throughout history, the general Wikipedia rule of notability applies here -- either a. the inherent notability of the subject prior to his or her disappearance, or b. the notability of the disappearance itself (ie, cases in which an otherwise unremarkable subject is made notable by the public interest in their disappearance). With regards to a., Villion was notable to his contemporaries and continues to be a subject of current research. His remains were never recovered, nor is there any record of his travels after his banishment. He is a notable figure who fits the requirements for the "list of people who have disappeared." B. is also satisfied, by the amount of research that has been conducted into Villon's (otherwise fairly well-documented) life by his various biographers, and their surprise and interest in not finding either written records or oral traditions of his life after banishment from the city of Paris. As far as I can tell, every biography of Villon comments on his "disappearance" post-exile. His is a notable disappearance, and to say that "there should be some evidence of a person's disappearance" misconstrues the point. -- Docether 14:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1463 Banishment and Disappearance 

message: The following was in the references section. I have cut it. One can only presume that a fictional play that alludes to Villon was in no serious sense a reference for the the writing of the article.
*Tennessee Williams' play The Glass Menagerie featured Villon's best-known quote as the screen legend numerous times.
- 00:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tennessee Williams 

message: I have removed the reference to a vampire role playing game because it is utterly irrelevant. Villon, an important poet, should not have his space, however democratic the process by which it is edited, denigrated by a reference to an infantile game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnDavidBurgess (talk • contribs) 14 November 2006.
:Well, look at you putting on airs while editing the entry on a 15th century criminal. Become famous, die, and a couple centuries later the people you hated are worshipping you. -Sammy D. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.50.17.95 (talk) 06:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role playing references 

message: Quick web search shows Greek artist Nonda existed (died recently). No idea why all caps here, no idea whether the statement about him here is true. - Jmabel | Talk 00:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Hommage à Villon'' 

message: I'm a little confused by the "ca. 1474" which has been in this article for a long time.  The last dated document referencing Villon is his banishment from Paris on 5 Jan 1463.  Unless something else has come to light, or something is not mentioned in the article, all we can really say is that he died after that date.  I'm changing it for now but please correct me if I'm wrong.  Thanks, Antandrus  (talk) 17:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death date

message: Needs IPA and possibly a sound file. I believe it is roughly [fʀɑ̃ˈswɛ viˈljon], but I'm no expert either on IPA or on medieval French. - Jmabel | Talk 17:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of name 

message: The French version of this page has been designated a "Featured Article."  I'm going to translate as much of the extra stuff from that page as possible and integrate it with the information contained in this article in hopes of achieving the same level of excellence for this page. I hope to have this done within the week... just a heads up. Portia1780 (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation of French wikipedia page

message: in the text it says:
In 1460, at the age of thirty, Villon began to compose the works which he named Le grand testament (1461–1462)
also it says 
In 1461, he wrote his most famous work, the Grand Testament.
isnt that contradictory? if he started to write it in 1460 shouldnt it be:
In 1460, at the age of thirty, Villon began to compose the works which he named Le grand testament (1460–1462)
and
Between 1460 and 1462, he wrote his most famous work, the Grand Testament.
mabe im wrong, but I just try to help.
Olof nord (talk) 21:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  time for writing the Le grand testament? 

message: Should the link to “François Villon Ballad about the Plump Margot. French-English parallel text” make clear that the English version is not a translation?
The Lawless One (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of link

message: The "On this day" snippet says he was "banned from Paris by the Parlement after being commuted from a death sentence". That surely can't be correct grammar? It implies that he was commuted, when it was actually the sentence that was commuted. It should read "...after his death sentence was commuted". I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how to amend On This Day entries though. Perhaps someone else could do it? (assuming anyone agrees with me, of course) HieronymousCrowley (talk) 09:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "On this day" grammar 

message: Seems to me we'd do well to have more discussion here of what literary critics and literary historians have said about his work over the centuries. We state here that he's a major figure in the history of French literature, which is certainly true, but we provide rather little evidence. - Jmabel | Talk 05:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary critics and literary historians 

message: Missing from the section "In Popular Culture," is The Vagabond King, a 1931opera by Rudolf Friml that was later filmed at least twice, according to the IMDB. It was a fictionalized treatment of Francois Villon.Jim Stinson (talk) 00:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Vagabond King 

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message: By an artist who died in 1989, uploaded in 2013 and the image is "free" because "own work"? No discussion whatever in the article that might justify featuring a presumably copyrighted work. But it kinda looks medieval, so... 2A02:AA1:1621:6C53:9151:11B3:15D:5004 (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garza picture copyvio?