Talk:Antony C. Sutton

message: Sutton is a -hm- highly controversial author, his books are mainly cited in conspiraca websites and lack seriousness and deeper understanding and research (you better do not build a theory on sutton but at least try to cross check his findings with other, more serios sources. When I did I found nearly all of what he wrote in the chapter counter researched by me - from his "most important" skull and bones book- to be false). I do not see any criticism of Sutton in the article, what makes him look like a serious source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.54.55 (talk) 06:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have references to published criticism of an article subject, add it to the article.  If you don←'t, don't deface the article with tags.  If no further information is submitted, other than your own personal research, I will consider this dispute resolved. - Crosbiesmith (talk) 08:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have removed the tag. 76.67.99.166 (talk) 14:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you have sources or is it original research because you read his books and disagree for whatever reason? Popish Plot (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV - missing criticism 

message: in his the federal reserve conspiracy he talks about karl marx
he says that "the ten points of the Marxian Manifesto, a program designed to overthrow the middle class bourgeoisie (not the big capitalist)"
this is an error on Sutton's part as Marx does not talk much about a middle class, Marx defines bourgeoisie as the upper class the rulers.
This argument on Sutton part seems as a fallacy of redefining words.
I wonder how much or if any more Sutton crosses the line to conspiracy, which i find a waste of time.
: Incorrect. From Wikipedia itself: "In English, the term 'bourgeoisie' is often used to denote the middle classes." And, "As the economic managers of the (raw) materials, the goods, and the services, and thus the capital (money) produced by the feudal economy, the term "bourgeoisie" evolved to also denote the middle class — the businessmen and businesswomen who accumulated, administered, and controlled the capital that made possible the development of the bourgs into cities."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.141.133.114 (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  karl marx 

message: This article was vandalized by someone who made it appear that Sutton's work done at and for Stanford Univ. was just shared with Stanford. 64.229.31.80 14:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find earlier versions to be more descriptive, but some of your edits are also constructive, but, imo, bordering on POV. The revision before yours says: He shared his research with the University of London and Stanford's Hoover Institute and paid no heed to how governments, corporations, and political powers would react. I don't see what qualms you have here... If you could combine this current revision and the revision before into one article, that'd be awesome. Copysan 00:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: "sharing with the public an evident life of unmitigated research [...], of passion in answers, in truths regardless of how government, corporations, and political powers would (and did) react." 
and 
"he was not one to characterize the notion of respect in acquiescence; thus he continued his research"
This is clearly POV:ed.. More a hagiography than actual facts.
Apparatus 20:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: What's the story of this section? Is it an autobiographical sketch? What's the source? It should either be placed in quotation marks or edited for consistency with the other material. -Will Beback 20:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In his own words" 

message: has anyone noticed that the Richard Pipes quote has been removed? Professor Richard Pipes of Harvard noted: "In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology ..." Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.152.4 (talk) 20:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that quote is there but I'm not sure, is that actually said in his book "Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster;1984)"? I am not sure, haven't read it. Popish Plot (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow I'm done with the thought police at wikipedia 

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message: Large parts of this article are unsourced or original interpretations of WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFSOURCE material and lack the required references to reliable, independent secondary sources. Per WP:PSTS, "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources." WP:PRIMARY has a 6-part test for use of primary sources that warns, "primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them." WP:SELFSOURCE also has a 5-part test that limits use of sources to describe themselves. The article has been tagged for overuse of primary sources since 2017. I added some inline tags. I suggest that unreferenced factual claims, and interpretations not referenced to independent secondary WP:RS, must be referenced or deleted soon. Llll5032 (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overuse of primary sources and unsourced claims 

message: Hello, Neighborhood Review, you recently undeleted content and removed "self-published source" tags from descriptions of works that may come from self-published sources and lack an independent RS. You cited WP:ABOUTSELF in your summary. Can you explain why it is WP:DUE and how WP:ABOUTSELF applies? Llll5032 (talk) 04:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Llll5032, when I made that edit I was under the impression that the source satisfied all five criteria listed at WP:ABOUTSELF, but now that I’ve read the page over again I realize that I overlooked the extent to which that whole section relied on the one source alone. My apologies! I believe the cited interview reasonably meets the first four criteria, but I agree that too much of the article was based on such sources. Neighborhood Review (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Neighborhood Review. The shortened version may meet WP:ABOUTSELF criteria but may still not be WP:DUE. I have not been able to find WP:BESTSOURCES to describe most of his life and work per WP:INDY. Should we reach out to a message board (Perhaps NOR or NPOV) for help with finding sources or shortening the article? Llll5032 (talk) 00:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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