Talk:Greek genocide

message: Deji Olajide1999, during the above discussion, you changed 'include' to 'involve' in the lead sentence i.e. . I meant to query this change at the time, but missed the chance to do so. I openly admit that I know very little about the topic and only 'watch' the article as a result of coming for an RfC a few years ago, BUT, I have to say that whilst I understand the use of 'include' - meaning that the Pontic genocide was a big part of, but not the whole story of the Greek genocide - I don't even really understand what 'involve' means in this context. I wonder if it is the right term. Pincrete (talk) 05:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I do remember this change, since it came after i had reworded this part myself (diff). Indeed, "which involved the Pontic genocide" makes it look as if the "Greek genocide" was a chapter of the "Pontic genocide", while the opposite is true; the latter was a chapter of the former. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly don't remember why I changed it. I think it sounded better to me when I made the edit, however I've changed my mind since then. My bad, I'm sorry. Deji Olajide1999 (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Included or involved the Pontic genocide? 

message: The article specifically names Atatürk as a perpetrator. However, historically and factually, the Turks were fighting a war of independence against the Greeks and other European opportunists from 1919-1923. I suggest removing his name considering he is the one who ended the genocide with the population exchange. The Greek Genocide was an Ottoman nationalist regime, not Turkish Republic. 2600:100F:B02A:21CE:8DD3:7FD1:A387:D8A7 (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2021 

message: The current table figures are fine and representative about Anatolia, however the figures from Eastern Thrace & Istanbul should be added in order to provide a full picture.Alexikoua (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Table figures

message: The academic discussion section contains the following statement: "These horrendous acts were committed by three entirely different regimes:"
Now, I get it, mass murder is immoral and I would not argue against this, but I think describing these events as "horrendous" violates Wikipedia's objectivity policy. I propose removing the word "horrendous" but not changing anything about the rest of the sentence. Arhanman (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Arhanman, it's actually a quote, so we can't alter it. BUT, it's an overlong quote and so should probably be paraphrased and pruned down to a reasonable length. Apart from anything else, an overlong quote risks violating the authors' copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pincrete (talk • contribs) 06:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing that the sentence I proposed to change is a quote but an overly long one, I propose removing the parts: "It's deeper because it isn't just about World War I, but about a series of homicidal ethno-religious cleansings that took place from the late 1890s to the 1920s and beyond. It is wider because" and "of starvation and sickness, and millions of others were deported and lost everything. In addition, tens of thousands of Christians were forced to convert, and many thousands of girls and women were raped by their Muslim neighbors and the security forces. The Turks even set up markets where Christian girls were sold as sex slaves." for the sake of brevity. The first part goes on to explain why the situation is "deeper than the Armenian genocide" (which I think is unneccessary to include) and the second part goes on to detail about the "horrendous acts" that were committed by the Ottomans and probably also should not be included. Arhanman (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Arhanman any neutral, factual paraphrasing of that long quote - even retaining some short quotes if helpful, and some comparisons if useful, - would fix the problem. Have a go. There's nothing inherently wrong with 'graphic' language in moderation, as long as it is clear that it is the source - not us - that has used it.Pincrete (talk) 07:30, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not part of the original quote, but a translation of a Hebrew text, by whoever added the content. I went ahead and replaced it with the respective text from the English version of the Hebrew article, which was published about a week later; it uses "atrocities" instead of "horrendous acts". Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 2023 

message: "It was perpetrated by the government of the Ottoman Empire led by the Three Pashas and by the Government of the Grand National Assembly led by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, against the indigenous Greek population of the Empire. " so your only source is one greek source to involve Ataturk into this? resentful national feelings towards outcome of the Turkish-Greek war during Turkish liberation? I know that writing history objectively is very difficult. However whenever i come across this type of hate propaganda or any other form of political religious agenda which divides nations and people even more i get seriously disappointed into Wikipedia. 2A01:E0A:C19:D150:E598:3B76:A591:F6F6 (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @2A01:E0A:C19:D150:E598:3B76:A591:F6F6 Turkey is isolated country and many Turcs are brainwashed by the government with Turkish nationalism like Greeks are brainwashed by their own government with Greek nationalism. Only reason you are not having serious problems in this page is that Turcs cannot speak English. It is shameful to feed on two nation's pain in close history and hatred. Ataturk was a great leader with modern ideas, vision and  world peace, equality in mind. You don't only trick the world to take your subjective point of view when you write things like that, you also divide people even more and contribute into continuation of this quarrel. I felt like i should have elaborated what i meant by hatred and political agendas. 2A01:E0A:C19:D150:E598:3B76:A591:F6F6 (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another page based on hatred and political propaganda? 

message: The historian, Alexander Kitroeff, is cited as supporting the contention that the events in question constituted genocide ("The historians Samuel Totten and Paul R. Bartrop, who specialize on the history of genocides, also call it a genocide; so is Alexander Kitroeff.") The footnote appears to quote him. But in fact it quotes a historian he is quoting in his extremely balanced and nuanced book review, in which he concludes that "Beyond what it achieves, this volume does not neutralize the concerns raised by those who believe the term genocide is not appropriate." 134.173.80.215 (talk) 23:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresentation of Kitroeff's views