Talk:Donbas

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 01:44, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Donbass →  – Per both WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UKR.
Here’s a survey of reliable sources found in search engines, following WP:SET. In G Books the accurate figure only appears at the top of the last results page; you may have to hide the Tools to see it.
Google Advanced Book Search:
* Donbas about 74,800 results (+3%)
* Donbass about 72,300 results
GABS restricted to 21st century:
* Donbas about 32,700 results (+12%)
* Donbass about 29,200 results
G Scholar
* Donbas about 24,700 results
* Donbass about 33,000 results (+34%)
G Sch restricted to 2014–2021
* Donbas about 16,100 results
* Donbass about 16,200 results (+1%)
Google News, when:7d
* Donbas 71 results (+610%)
* Donbass 10 results
Usage of these spellings has been mixed and variable, and you may get different top results by varying the intervals. Historical trends can be seen much more clearly in a Google Books Ngram chart: 
* Donbas, Donbass, Donets Coal Basin, Donets Basin: of the four common names, the current article title was clearly the most common for about a decade and a half in the late twentieth century (at the right time to strongly establish WP:BIAS in many of us en.wiki editors). The proposed title is the most common today.
* Donbas / (Donbas+Donbass), Donbass / (Donbas+Donbass): the clearest comparison. This expression shows the relative proportion of usage. For a less-busy view, change the smoothing value to 5.
A small survey of reliable sources (see WP:WIAN):
* BGN’s NGIS GeoNames gives both spellings as variants.
* Britannica’s article “Donets Basin” in gives both spellings, Ukrainian first; “Ukraine” uses Donbas; “Russia” Donbass.
* Oxford Lexico gives only Donbas (©2021).
* Dictionary.com gives only Donbass (Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition).
* Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine gives only Donbas.
* World Factbook mentions “Donbas” several times in “Ukraine,” not in Russia.
* Merriam-Webster’s Geographical Dictionary (2007) gives no result for “Donbass”; has a see-also entry “Donbas or Donbass”; which links to to “Donets Basin”, whose long title is “Donets Basin or Ukrain. Do•nets' Kryazh \dō-ˈnyets-ˈkryäzh\ or Russ. Do•net•skiy Bas•seyn \də-ˈnyet-skē-bə-ˈsyān;\ Russ. short form Don•bass or angl. Don•bas \dən-ˈbäs, ˈdän-ˌbas\.” It says Donbass is Russian, but Donbas is anglicized.
It looks to me like recent sources and subject-specific sources are more likely to spell the name Donbas. More sources are listed at WP:WIAN, but heed the warning about dated sources, and WP:MODERNPLACENAME.
Per WP:UKR, if there were no common English name, we would fall back to romanization from the native Ukrainian Донбас → Donbas (as this multinational region is chiefly in Ukraine, per GeoNames, Brittanica, World Factbook, etc., and the overwhelming majority of sources mention it in the Ukrainian context).  —Michael Z. 23:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 March 2021 

message: Should we really have UK and US pronunciations of what's fundamentally a Ukrainian word? Does it make sense? 
Secondarily, the Merriam - Webster entry doesn't seem to exist, or is incorrectly linked. 175.32.198.14 (talk) 13:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I fixed the link. These are all English-language pronunciations of the name in English dictionaries. —Michael Z. 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation suggestions 

message: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donezbecken is the German equivalent. (Germans like to make things complicated … And I’m too simple to be able to add a language link, sorry.) – Fritz Jörn (talk) 10:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are separate Wikidata items where the interlanguage links are managed for  and . This article corresponds to the former, but de.wiki only has an article corresponding to the second. I don’t know if there’s a way to work around this. —Michael Z. 16:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add link to German 

message: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "remove non-RS; other c/e". --K.e.coffman (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Soviet period" section edit 

message: The report of the events immediately preceding and following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 appears biased. It includes handpicked minor news (e.g. Nicaraguan reaction, protest in Milan, Italy) and dubious sources. 2601:740:8101:30A0:F8E0:94AC:C952:4E65 (talk) 23:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reports on recent events 

message: Taking into account the current situation in Ukraine representatives of the agressor places misinformation. It makes sense to remove it till the end of the conflict. 91.90.11.173 (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be blocked 

message: I mean come on.  Are we really going to have an entire article on the Donbas without one mention of the Minsk Agreements?https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2021-12-06/ 
Michael.suede (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added that bit in, but I agree, this article is in a sorry state. If I have time I will see if I can work on improving it. RGloucester  — ☎ 23:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not One Mention of the Minsk Agreements 

message: I've seen it asserted that reserves were discovered there about ten years ago...I tried Googling but the results were swamped with things related to the current war and debates about Russian natural gas supplying Europe....tia.Historian932 (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To note, this page is not a WP:FORUM for discussion of these matters. However, I can confirm that there are gas reserves present in the Donbas, namely parts of the Dnieper–Donets gas basin. Information about the conflict's impact on potential shale gas production can be found here. RGloucester  — ☎ 17:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a blurb in the economy section of the article, if you care to take a look. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Donbas have oil/gas? 

message: I understand the political significance of “Ukraine” vs “the Ukraine” (and the relevant Wikipedia entry addresses it). Is there any significance to “Donbas” vs “the Donbas”? The current article seems to use a combination of both and I couldn’t suss out a consistent grammatical reason for the choices. The Associated Press seems to recommend “the Donbas”, albeit without much explanation. Tycho Bray (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it matters that much in actual usage, but it should properly be 'the Donbas'. As for why, it's because 'Donbas' is a portmanteau of 'Donets Basin'. Just as 'Donets Basin is a region in Ukraine' is awkward and unnatural without the definite article (It should of course be 'The Donets Basin is a region in Ukraine' in normal English), so too, in theory, is 'Donbas is a region in Ukraine'. In practice, however, usage seems mixed. RGloucester  — ☎ 02:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: AP Stylebook (in March–May) said “Usage: the Donbas or the Donbas region, not simply Donbas.”  —Michael Z. 16:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Donbas” vs “the Donbas” 

message: The population and demographics section doesn't seem to have any numbers for this, just percentages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanwolf (talk • contribs) 18:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbers are 'dynamic', people run away, die, are deported (kidnapped).Xx236 (talk) 07:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many people live in Donbas? 

message: "Parts of the Donbas are controlled by separatist groups as a result of the Russo-Ukrainian War: the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic." Should be "Parts of Donbas are controlled by Russia..." Xx236 (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete lead 

message: Retshsnn (talk) 09:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 March 2024