Talk:Andalusia

message: Hello, the image referred as:
File:Tomato gazpacho.jpg|thumb|Gazpacho served with tropezones (chopped vegetables).
in the Culture/Cuisine subsection is in fact an image os "salmorejo", another typical andalusian food (similar to gazpacho but only tomatoes, bread and garlic inside while gazpacho is more liquid and is made with many other vegetables).
--47.61.216.50 (talk) 11:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See Al-Andalus for discussion of etymology. GCarty 08:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: >>I believe this article should point out that this region was briefly in control of the vandals, who named this region Vandalusia.
>>--Gortu 17:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I added a link to  "Andalucia on my Mind" It's a travel story connecting Antequera, Ronda and Malaga
Scribbleman 07:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please wait for a response on this talkpage when you announce your intentions to include these Terje Raa travel stories. Don’t include them yourself, as including these links are your only contributions here, you seem to have a conflict of interest. Please wait for community input, thanks. --Van helsing 12:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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message: I deleted this: "a country invaded by Spain". Is that a joke? Andalusia is a autonomous community, not an "invaded country". I'm self sorry of my bad knowledge of English language. See ya. --Jamelgo (talk) 23:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I've started bringing over material from es-wiki, and will continue over the next week or so. Sadly, the article on the autonomous communities of Spain in es-wiki are, at best, B+ quality, but that's a lot better than what has been here. I'm doing my best to improve rather than merely translate; the result should be the bones of a decent article. I've already done this for Castile-La Mancha and Castile and León. - Jmabel | Talk 00:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Similarly to the Castile-La Mancha and Castile and León articles: it would be nice if someone found a solid citation for each statistic here (e.g. temperatures in the climate section). - Jmabel | Talk 03:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I know barely a word of Spanish, but I expect your guess is the right one. Sorry I can't help with the translation. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Dehesa is a type of pastureland usually with trees (oak) and scrub. "Boyal" comes from buey, so is specific to cattle (although lots of the land is multi use now). There's probably an article in it if you can find some sources - it's an important environment for a lot of Spain's wildlife. Yomanganitalk 11:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "without scrub" apparently, shows what I know. Yomanganitalk 11:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

text:  I agree on the etymology of boyal; the question was whether it is just etymology or remained meaningful in the actual way the land was used. Given the geography, it wouldn surprise me if cattle really were the main animals that grazed there. And yes, doubtless there should be an article in it, and in each of the many redlinks in this article, and in quite a few links that lead to stubs (especially cities), and probably almost every section here could be expanded to a main article. The English Wikipedia's coverage of Spain, outside of a few regions, has mostly not yet risen to the level of the encyclopedic. - Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My stomach tells me one of the main uses of dehesa is for fattening up pata negra (ñam ñam). That type of grazing for pigs isn't unusual in other countries: see pannage for example. Dehesas boyales are normally the common grazing grounds of a settlement for the use of just about any livestock, though where the culture has changed from subsistence farming they have become natural parks or recreational areas. (I can't think what you mean about the redlinks...apparently "There aren’t that many obvious topics left to write about" ) Yomanganitalk 11:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I fiddled with it a little, but feel free to fiddle it back; malagueño is fine (I wouldn't have even put in the explanatory note), and I didn't like "The North sits up" to begin with, but it's grown on me since I started typing and now I think it is rather good. Yomanganitalk 11:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The North sits up" is pretty literal (the original was El Norte se incorpora). In English, I might prefer "The North stands up", which would be more likely English, but doesn't connote that it was previously "lying down" (suggests more that it was previously sitting). This is the trickiest stuff about translation, to my mind: tradeoffs between the literal and the colloquial, between phrasing and ideas. With the prose of other Wikipedians, I'm almost always inclined to be colloquial in English and get the ideas across. With Ortega y Gasset, I'm not quite so bold: after all, we are claiming to quote him. - Jmabel | Talk 22:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I noticed the overlap yesterday, but left it alone. If you want to have a shot at integrating that material once you're finished with arts, that would be great. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Similar issues with agriculture and cuisine. I don't necessarily want to take on the integration, but I still have at least 2 more days of translation work here. What a monster. - Jmabel | Talk 01:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

text: The langostino de Sanlúcar is Penaeus kerathurus (it's the same species as a normal langostino but has the reputation of being better if it is caught near Sanlúcar). The chanquete is whitebait, but whether it is a generally a single species I don't know. They had to be imported from China because stocks were low a few years back, so I'd guess the imports weren't the same species. Still tasted nice though. Yomanganitalk 03:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: In general, I've been able to cope with even a few rather odd wordings in es-wiki, but one that confuses me quite a bit is "...han justificado los intentos de reconversión de la flota pesquera." I've translated this rather literally (albeit with a change of verb tense) as "justifying attempts to convert the fishing fleet", but I'll be damned if I have any clarity as to what it means. Maybe a plan to buy up fishing boats and buy out fishing rights (speaking from local experience in a different part of the world)? Maybe something else? If anyone has a clue, please edit accordingly. And probably fix it in es-wiki as well. - Jmabel | Talk 06:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know barely a word of Spanish, but I expect your guess is the right one. Sorry I can't help with the translation. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: Also, can anyone shed light on the phrase Dehesa Boyal? I understand that it is a meadow for grazing livestock. Is it specific to cattle? Is it a commons? Is there anything more specific we can say about it? - Jmabel | Talk 06:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dehesa is a type of pastureland usually with trees (oak) and scrub. "Boyal" comes from buey, so is specific to cattle (although lots of the land is multi use now). There's probably an article in it if you can find some sources - it's an important environment for a lot of Spain's wildlife. Yomanganitalk 11:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "without scrub" apparently, shows what I know. Yomanganitalk 11:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

text:  I agree on the etymology of boyal; the question was whether it is just etymology or remained meaningful in the actual way the land was used. Given the geography, it wouldn surprise me if cattle really were the main animals that grazed there. And yes, doubtless there should be an article in it, and in each of the many redlinks in this article, and in quite a few links that lead to stubs (especially cities), and probably almost every section here could be expanded to a main article. The English Wikipedia's coverage of Spain, outside of a few regions, has mostly not yet risen to the level of the encyclopedic. - Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My stomach tells me one of the main uses of dehesa is for fattening up pata negra (ñam ñam). That type of grazing for pigs isn't unusual in other countries: see pannage for example. Dehesas boyales are normally the common grazing grounds of a settlement for the use of just about any livestock, though where the culture has changed from subsistence farming they have become natural parks or recreational areas. (I can't think what you mean about the redlinks...apparently "There aren’t that many obvious topics left to write about" ) Yomanganitalk 11:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dehesa Boyal

message: In the "Culture" section, I've done my best to translate a quotation from Ortega y Gasset; I've tried to strike a balance between the tone and the letter of the text, but it's really hard. For example, there really is no English word that translates malagueño, and his verb tense (using the present tense to speak of the past) is not so common in English. I'd be interested if someone else thinks they can do better, and do tell me if you think anything I did was really wrong. - Jmabel | Talk 05:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fiddled with it a little, but feel free to fiddle it back; malagueño is fine (I wouldn't have even put in the explanatory note), and I didn't like "The North sits up" to begin with, but it's grown on me since I started typing and now I think it is rather good. Yomanganitalk 11:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The North sits up" is pretty literal (the original was El Norte se incorpora). In English, I might prefer "The North stands up", which would be more likely English, but doesn't connote that it was previously "lying down" (suggests more that it was previously sitting). This is the trickiest stuff about translation, to my mind: tradeoffs between the literal and the colloquial, between phrasing and ideas. With the prose of other Wikipedians, I'm almost always inclined to be colloquial in English and get the ideas across. With Ortega y Gasset, I'm not quite so bold: after all, we are claiming to quote him. - Jmabel | Talk 22:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: There seems to be quite a bit of redundancy between cultural tourism & arts. I'm still translating the latter, but I suspect we could move the cultural material out of the tourism section and simply reference the arts section there. I'd like to finish translating the arts section first, though (I'm in the midst of it). - Jmabel | Talk 22:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the overlap yesterday, but left it alone. If you want to have a shot at integrating that material once you're finished with arts, that would be great. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Similar issues with agriculture and cuisine. I don't necessarily want to take on the integration, but I still have at least 2 more days of translation work here. What a monster. - Jmabel | Talk 01:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: Does anyone know precisely what species are the langostino de Sanlúcar (a type of prawn) and chanquete from Málaga (a type of small fish)? - Jmabel | Talk 01:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The langostino de Sanlúcar is Penaeus kerathurus (it's the same species as a normal langostino but has the reputation of being better if it is caught near Sanlúcar). The chanquete is whitebait, but whether it is a generally a single species I don't know. They had to be imported from China because stocks were low a few years back, so I'd guess the imports weren't the same species. Still tasted nice though. Yomanganitalk 03:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Species identification

message: I just want to call everyone's attention to this edit in the section Secondary sector: industry. It looks to me like an introduction of machine-translated content from the es-wiki, content I had omitted when I translated the article because it was claiming a lot of precision with no sources. At the same time it was added, content was removed, and this also was wedged in before a footnote that for that other content, as if it cited for the new content. I leave it to someone else to decide exactly what to do with this, but for now I have left the material changes, but replaced the now misleading footnote with . - Jmabel | Talk 04:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: I removed the list of native or famous people from the end of the article. It deserves a better end than a stultifying list of local celebs. Yomanganitalk 18:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: I can't readily find it in the history but at some time in the last couple of months the following was dropped: 
"in the eastern province of Almería, averages over  are common (for example,  at Cuevas del Almanzora)". Seems to me that it belongs, but I leave it to someone else to sort out whether this removal was vandalism or whether something was wrong with it. - Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: lots of money went into transportation it says. However, it seems they missed to invest in public transportation as there is no info about buses and how to go around with them. That really missing IMO 217.125.189.101 (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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message: On 22 November 2012 an anonymous contributor added the statement "The first settlers probably brought the first dogs into the region." The relevance of this information is unclear. The first settlers undoubtedly brought dozens if not hundreds of the usual attributes of civilization with them, dogs being just one of these. What is so significant about dogs in this context? The sentence has been flagged with "citation needed"; maybe someone can add a source supporting the notability of this detail. Piperh (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: Under Vandals, Visigoths. . . /Al-Andaluz, a sentence begins,
Al-Hakam's death achieved military successes . . .
What does this mean? Did the Christian leaders achieve success as a result of Al-Hakim's death?
I hope someone who knows will correct this. Thanks
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message: The name section says that it came in to usage in the 13th century to refer to those territories still under Muslim rule. As far as I know, the opposite is true. Andalusia referred to those territories in Southern Spain NOT under Muslim rule but bordering the Kingdom of Granada. It referred to an area conquered by Christians and known as "La Frontera" or "El Andalucia", modern day provinces of Seville, Huelva, Cadiz and Cordoba. Granada, Malaga and Almeria were not referred to as Andalusia until they came under Christian rule in 1492.Asilah1981 (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I recently removed the Arabic spelling from the beginning of the lead as it is not a local language. The argument that it was under Arab rule for 800 years was used before (see Arabic name section above) and by  that added it back, but the problem is that this was 525 years ago. It makes sense to make a reference to it in the body of the text, specially in the name section where it is already included, as it explains its origins, but not in the languages section of the lead, since it's not a local language. The region was also under the rule of the Roman empire, but neither The Arabic or the Latin spelling have present-day ties. The Arab spelling is not commonly used regardless of the historical context other than by Arabs themselves (the closest would be references to Al-Andalus or Baetica). In those articles it makes sense to include the Arabic and Latin names (but not both in each one), as those where the local languages then. It was also noted in the previous discussion that the territory of Andalusia does not correspond to that of the historical Al-Andalus which included most of Spain. If there are no objections I will remove it again. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 10:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your considered comments, Crystallizedcarbon. If no one objects, then it's okay with me. Could you give it a couple days so people have a chance to see this? Carlstak (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. Thank you. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello  I see it has just been removed by an IP user. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All's well that ends well. Thank you. Carlstak (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic name  (further comments) 

message: This sentence is very weird and should be worded differently. That tip of Andalusia apparently defines the border between both bodies of water, of course, it has coasts on both bodies of water. --89.246.121.125 (talk) 00:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andalusia is the only European region with both Mediterranean and Atlantic coastlines. 

message: Now that the article History of Andalucía, translated from Spanish, has been created by Maye Fernandez, its title should be changed to History of Andalusia to conform to the title of this one. I tried to move the page automatically, but got a notice saying: 
:The page could not be moved, for the following reason:
:A redirect already exists at History of Andalusia, and it cannot be deleted automatically. Please choose another name.
Apparently the redirect "History of Andalusia" needs to be deleted. I don't know why the creator of the article used the Spanish orthography in the article title, because she used the non-British spelling Andalusia throughout the article text. Perhaps it was a mistake. 
The article seems to look okay with a cursory glance before I go to the beach, but the English will need to be polished, and it needs more references, for which it has already been tagged. Carlstak (talk) 22:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of new article [[History of Andalucía]] should be changed to [[History of Andalusia]], and the "History of Andalusia" redirect to this page should be deleted 

message: In what sense is the word “region” used here? France of course has both Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts. 
Okay Chashumen (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly in the sense of NUTS2 territorial units. But I think it is a tad haphazard factoid. I also think that we can outline Andalusia's location vis-à-vis the strait of Gibraltar in a less WP:PEACOCK-y way.--Asqueladd (talk) 21:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andalusia is the only European region with both Mediterranean and Atlantic coastlines. 

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