Talk:Current events/Archive 13

message: We're going to have to hammer out just how long these entries should be. In this discussion, I thought it had been established that we ought to try to keep these things fairly short, maybe two or three sentences. For more details, there's Wikinews.  But there's an entry here today about the Quran desecration-related protests that's five sentences long, totaling 83 words.  When I cut it down, I got reverted.  Now there's also a piece about a battle between Israel and Hezbollah over a border dispute that's four sentences, 63 words. Overall, the entries for today are pretty long.  Too long, I think. Minor details and quotations from multiple sources make them too cumbersome.  Golbez has also commented that the entries are too long.
So what's it going to be? Long paragraphs or short entries?  I think that these things should be like the first two or three sentences of an in-depth news article following the "inverted pyramid" style of journalism.  They should tell what happened, and to find out why it happened or what people have said about it, there's the linked articles.  Current Events should be sort of like the short summaries of articles found on the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
What does everybody else think?  Mr. Billion 01:02, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again with the too much analysis 

message: The language selection on the left has duplicates of most of the languages. I don't have the time right now to check each of them, but I'm sure someone here does. Kaiser Matias 03:51 27 May 2005 (UTC)
:Pretty much the whole article was duplicated. Fixed now.-gadfium 04:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: What happedned to the Current Events for other countries? It turn into a link to "current events by region". Was it taking up too much space? I realize that some were not being maintained but hiding them will not encourage people to participate in them. -maclean25 06:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Current events by region

message: The Anglo Saxon link points to a blank page. Is it mispelled or is there just no such page on that wiki? Thanx 68.39.174.150 11:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo Saxon 

message: I think that the play by play counts and death tolls by qassam rocket should be Current events in Cisjordan. I deleted the play by play and left "Israeli-Palestinian conflict: A day of violence erupts in the Gaza Strip and West Bank." with source. I realize this is inadequate and sorry to whomever this edit offends, but what was there was too long and, it seems to me, too specific considering all the other violence going on in the world. If you want to add back some of the meat go ahead but not all of it please.  MPS 21:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Too specific in West Bank play by play

message: I think reporting the decision of SCOTUS, and the opinion, IS sticking to the facts. Please help me understand why you think the deletion of the dissenting opinion to accompany the decision is in the interests of informativeness - as I see it, the dissenting opinion is not part of the facts of the decision. Is it in the interests of brevity? Thanks -- RyanFreisling @ 01:57, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Brevity was my main inspiration; keeping the item roughly the same size as other Current events items; the other was balance; we don't include a parallel quote from the supporting opinion. There are lots of facts we could report, but we don't report every fact on this page; it's really a pointer to articles on the subjects (and Kelo v. New London contains more and better detail than we can include here). Finally, the quote was, when you boil things down, analysis and speculation intended to advance a particular political perspective (the fact that I agree with that perspective is really irrelevant here). I just had a gut sense that it didn't belong. -- Seth Ilys 02:08, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree overall, in that imho, the dissent is the closest thing to a (contrastable) POV for the rationale behind the 5-4 decision. But you do have a valid point about this and re: brevity, and your gut has no worse insight than mine... so I'll go along with your edit without further contest. Thanks! -- RyanFreisling @ 02:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Seth Ilys - Dissenting opinion relevance to SCOTUS Jan 23 decision item

message: I'd like to say more about the July 9 entry on the documentary, because I see that news outlets usually used here haven't picked the news. I have made the entry about the film mainly because I see that people here are interested in such news, as similar news about a video showing execution of six Bosniak males was even featured on the main page for four days (, ), and I think that the movie is even more important news than the video because:
*It is a movie, lasting much longer than the video
*It shows a large number of various warcrimes across a large timespan, whereas the video shows a single execution.
*Its first showing was in front of a much bigger audience.
For this reasons I made a suggestion on :Template:In the news/Candidate and expect it to be put on the front page too, for at least as long, but who knows, maybe someone will disagree. Nikola 18:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the movie (not the whole, I hadn't the stomach for it). Grown men were crying while watching the movie! It was horrible!! Since the video showing execution of six Bosniak muslims got such an attention, I feel that it would be only fair to at least mention this (1 hour long) movie showing atrocities committed against Serbs. This is important, because this way, people could see that every side committed war crimes during the Yugoslav wars (which is probably the case for every single war in history). -- Obradović Goran  (talk 23:05, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Documentary film

message: Netiv Ha'asara is in Israel, not the Gaza Strip. According to The Jerusalem Post, the village was occupied by Egypt in 1949 but exchanged for land Israel was holding in that year's armistice. Apparently, some Palestinians have demanded Israel withdraw from that village, too, but it's currently governed as part of Israel, not part of the Gaza Strip. Mwalcoff 19:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netiv Ha'asara 

message: Shouldn't something this disruptive to the worlds transportation be of notice?  After all, this is 75,000 thousand travelers stranded... 100,000 if counting those around the globe that are effected.  Also what's striking is the vast amount of money involved and thus lost for no-flights... 
If Google News  is any measure of what's going on in the world, maybe the 1,800+ articles written on this event should strike an interest. ~ RoboAction 08:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heathrow Airport in London... strike 

message: Aug 1 and Aug 2 have dedicated links to Wikinews at the end of their days. Other days don't, neither do any in July. Should all days have this link or none? -- SGBailey 20:25, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikinews links

message: Has an RSS feed been considered for this page? Is that a feature available in Wikinews? Amadeust 17:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You might check with User:Dze27. See also Wikipedia:Syndication. Mamawrites 21:46, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsfeed of current events items? 

message: Peace Mission currently links to an article about father devine. It should link to an article about the latest war games between the US and former reds. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 01:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace Mission 

message: It say that Lhasa is over ten thousand meters up, and over sixteen thousand feet up. Mount Everest is around eight thousand meters, or twenty-nine thousand feet... The math is very bad!
: No, it says that Lhasa is 5,068 meters above sea level, and then specifies the equivalent in feet (16,627 ft). Mamawrites 21:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone had changed it to 10,068 meters, which I reverted.--Pharos 21:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese railway in Tibet 

message: This belongs in Sports surely. Lisiate 00:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Little League World Series

message: "President Bush in an early morning interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer at the White House said: "I fully understand people wanting things to have happened yesterday. I want people to know there is a lot of help coming." Asked about gas price increases he said: "Is this a time to call on Americans simply to pull back and not use the gas?". The President will tour the Katrina hit areas on Friday"
Was deleted by Mr. Billion.  He says it is not news worthy.  I suggest it is, since it is the President's first inteview after the Hurricane, gives his reaction, indicates state of mind, and announces plans for Friday visit.
As to whether it is weighty, that is what  the media commentators are debating at the moment. There are several issues going on behind the words.  A reader may consider them frivolous, but that does not mean they are without  meaning and impact. I suggest this interview has and will have considerable impact.  
Media commentators describe this as a "rare" interview.  I did not include that as it is opinion and not appropriate in a summary.  But it SHAPES the opinion of the President and of events.Kyle Andrew Brown 20:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Added China story, loger switch off error/208.58.74.59 Kyle Andrew Brown 22:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that deleting the story is inappropriate, the lack of comment from Bush in the early stages of the crisis is turning into a major story. If the quotes are not the most notable from the interview they should be replaced. But this is the first interview for many months, it is news.
--Gorgonzilla 05:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bush First Interview Since Hurricane 

message: Gosh, our nation suffers and here we actually have a nation coming to our aid. Kyle Andrew Brown 04:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a very long list of countries who offered help. The US turned most of them down. Even Sri Lanka gave $25,000 to the American Red Cross, and they're a poor country still recovering from the tsunami. Fidel Castro offered to send 100 doctors last Friday and 500 more on Saturday and Sunday. No response from Washington to most of the offers (although they did accept the EUs oil). -- Arwel 12:37, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go Qatar! 

message: Love her or hate her, isn't she more important as a Senator, than as a former first lady?Dsol 16:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think both roles are at least equally important, so I added the link to the United States Senate for her elected title. (It's possible that whoever originally added the blurb assumed that everyone would know what a senator is, but that readers outside the US might not be familiar with the phrase "first lady". Still, I think both titles should be wikilinked.) Mamawrites 17:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinton Blurb 

message: Humus sapiens, do you have any source besides MEMRI that this interview actually took place.  I'd much rather have it taken from the source.  Further, your comparrison is crude.  members of Ezzedeen-al-qassam are unelected and self-appointed and represent themselves.  The Government of Israel is elected to represent the people of israel. I would never have added IRA quotes from An Poblacht, but thats me. I won't remove this, but still want another source. --Irishpunktom\talk 09:49, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
:MEMRI is a reliable source. Jayjg (talk) 20:30, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I, and a significant amount of other people would dispute that, and as such, another source should be added.  --Irishpunktom\talk 11:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: MEMRI

message: On Opera 7, the city names in the time-date box (in fact any content at all) is too small to be readable. Font size needs to be increased. Also the date-time table, calendar table and "Other current events" table doesn't have the right-side border. Jay 13:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems in Opera browser

message: Who keeps vandalising this page? --Wonderfool t(c) 19:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess would be that it's vandalised because it is a direct permenant fixed link from the front page, so it's the closest vandals can get to vandalising the front page itself. Just a thought. Mallocks 15:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:VAND, and specifically Wikipedia:Revert should provide all the info you need on that particular topic :) Also, in general, comments in talk pages are staggered with the colon character, not with asterisks. Happy editing :) Mallocks 19:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandal 

message: A lot of the events in the Ongoing events template are no longer ongoing. Can people take the time to delete irrelevant ones? I will but I don't tknow what all of these are. Also, it doesn't seem like anyone is editing the current events by region. Should I just change the template back to the way it used to be? MPS 19:16, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ongoing Events Cleanup Sep 2005

message: The fact that Ms. Miers has no prior judicial experience does not appear to me to be the most important fact about this nominee.  If you visit either Harriet Miers or Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination and hearings, you will see that quite a body of information is being compiled.  The current events article as it stands gives the bare bones:  her current office and the office for which she has been nominated.  Adding anything further (pro or con) unnecessarily lengthens the current events page.  The interested reader can easily click through if he or she wants more. Brandon39 04:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Harriet Miers

message: I do not believe this Russian Order exists, but I will make sure that it will at least get a stub page. Zach (Sound Off) 02:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Official decree: http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/news/2005/09/93311.shtml. Zach (Sound Off) 02:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Maritine Service 

message: It looks to me as if this section of the page has been removed without comment. Are the current month's deaths now listed somewhere else? DSatz 14:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed by a vandal. Evil Monkey∴Hello 20:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Evil Monkey, thank you for the reply, and thank you to whoever (possibly yourself) restored the missing section. DSatz 02:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more deaths? 

message: I object to the way yesterday's news story was described at Current events. It was completely one-sided. It was sensationalistic. It conveyed ABC's slant and omitted the other side. It gave the impression that terrorists could easily do, what? Blow up a plant and devestate an entire city? That U.S. federal officials and the academic community don't give a shit?
This is like ABC's "Food Lion" investigation. 
They spent 4 months "proving" that there are serious lapses? It wouldn't take that long to test security, if that was their object. I mean, if they were trying to help. Was there goal to ensure that security was improved, or were they trying to score a political point?
Anyway, getting back to our one-sentence summary. I changed it, adding the word "controversial" since they way the conducted it, as well as their conclusions, have come under fire. Also, MIT says that their facility could withstand a large truck bomb. 
We also should have distinguished between commercial power generating reactors which have large amounts of radioactive material and really pose a risk (though slight) of a Chernobyl type disaster - and research facilities. ABC's report mentions, buried deep in the middle of an inside page, that the amount of radioactive material at campus nuclear facilities is minimal.
ABC's slant is that they spent 4 months "discovering" these lapses. I think they spent 4 months "building a case" to prove that officials in the government and academia aren't doing enough for security. This is advocacy journalism, not investigative journalism.
And Wikipedia should not endorse or promote advocacy journalism. It should rather adhere to NPOV. Uncle Ed 12:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactors at US colleges: Wikipedia should not endorse or promote advocacy journalism 

message: I have twice removed the link to the Guardian article about West Bank land. The event mentioned in the blurb on our page took place in July, not since July. Therefore, it's not a "current event." The subhead on the Guardian story was misleading (but then, what do you expect from that publication?).
Mwalcoff 00:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian article 

message: The time listed for Melbourne is UTC+11, when in fact it is currently +10. Anyone know how to fix this? Remy B 10:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it... it was at Template:Current events box. Mamawrites  & listens 23:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melbourne time 

message: Why is it that every time Fred Phelps says something stuped he gets international air time for it? This is not a rant; rather it is a question of whether wikipedia current events should consider Fred Phelps' comments to be notable. All this guy has to do to get attention is say something like "god hates fags" or  "the London bombs were great" and he gets featured.  What next, "hitler was right" ... this guy has no religious authority except for the few family members that constitute his little independent church.
:He was the subject of a major Sky News report over his rant. When a supposedly Christian leader, with a considerable name recognition factor, calls for mass murder and hides behind the American constitution to claim the right to do so that is most definitely newsworthy. PS sign your comments please. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not current-event-worthy really, there is no real-world impact on what he said. From Fred Phelps article, he does not have many followers. Leinart 22:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fred Phelps

message: When I look at the Wikipedia main page I see a lot of bad news in the news section. I propose that whoever is responsible for the news section,
should give a higher priority into delivering mixed news, and not as bashing as american television shows them.
A good example is Oct 30th (today) which does *not* mention anything about the world event of the "Dresden Frauenkirche" being reinaugurated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.250.2 (talk • contribs) 
:Thanks for the suggestions. If you think a story should be on Current events then add it to the page, and if you think it has international interest suggest it for being on the Main Page. Wikipedians only edit what they know and for most of us, the news only shows the disasters. Evil Monkey∴Hello 21:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only disasters on Wikinews? 

message: I started moving stories to respective sections, which should be done. But then I noticed some are in both. Should they be moved? Falphin 00:27, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest most stories on the main Current events page should also go on a regional events page if we have one that covers the region. Some stories which are of only regional interest should only go on the regional page, but it's a judgement call.-gadfium 03:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What goes under Current Events?

message: I dislike the separation into Current Events and US Current Events -- I only found out about it today. One reason is the importance of US events for the rest of the world -- looking at United States current events, in the last days entries I easily find one or two news events important enough for all of us. The second reason is something like a dislike for region-centrism: a separate US Current Events makes it easy for inhabitants of said country to look only at their domestic news. I want them to find out -- even if by accident -- about what is going on in the world as a whole. The strict separation between Non-US Current Events and US Current Events is problematic. -- till we ☼☽ | Talk 14:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  US news and the rest of the world 

message: What is this?
* The fighting in Fallujah, Iraq has led to a number of widespread myths including false charges that the United States is using chemical weapons such napalm and poison gas. None of these allegations are true. (USINFO.STATE.GOV)
1. Why is an official US government denial considered current news? 
2. Why is the US State Depaartment privileged as the source of truth? 
The current news is a report that phosphorus weapons were used against civilians in Fallujah. It is not a myth. It is a report. The US government denial is not the truth. It is a statement by the US government. This "news article" is US government propaganda. --PigsFly 02:34, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course white phosphorus is a chemical weapon, even our military admits it.  Have a look at this U.S. Armed Forces website that reports on Saddam Hussein's use of "white phosphorus chemical weapons" against the Kurds.  But I understand how it works ... when Saddam Hussein used it against Iraqi citizens, we called it chemical weapons.  When we used it against Iraqi citizens, it's not a chemical weapon.  Nice double standards.  --Cyde 02:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BIAS 

message: This story appeared under Monday's date with no source link. Don't know if it 
* a) should be here at all, it is a "crystal ball" case in my opinion;
* b) should be moved to Sports when a source can be found.
Here for consensus vote on the matter
* The city of Busan in South Korea officially announces its bid to host the 2020 Summer Olympics Games.
doktorb 07:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't find anything on it. NSLE (讨论) \<extra> 07:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already Monday afternoon  in East Asia. Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-11/14/content_3777787.htm . Although, some rewording is needed.  --Vsion 07:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic bid story 

message: In my edit summary, I put in something nonsensical about the 60% figure.  Sorry, I misread.
I trimmed the item down because it's twice as long as almost every other item on Current Events.  Does it really need to be that long?  Details are in the article.  --Mr. Billion 04:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Item on Elections in Burkina Faso 

message: :Convicted paedophile, ex-pop star Gary Glitter
Bit POV, surely? Chris talk back 21:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Convicted paedophile" as a term is POV no matter which way you look at it.  If he was convicted of sex offences, then "convicted sex offender" would be less POV.   But he wasn't convicted of child sex offences, but posession of obsceme material. Chris talk back 09:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I realise that this has now changed, but - certainly in the UK - you can't actually be convicted of being a paedophile (somebody sexually attracted to prepubsecent children, according to the article on paedophilia), as it's not a crime. Child sex abuse, or possessing indecent images of children, however, is an offence and therefore you can be convicted of them. Whether the court describes him as a paedophile or not doesn't mean he's a "convicted paedophile", since the court could never convict somebody of something that is not, in itself, an offence. --Sanguinus 14:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gary Glitter 

message: IMHO David Irving is a historical revisionist. However not everyone accepts that definition. Qualifying in any way that he is a historian by adding a definition of category is POV. It is best to let the reader when they read his page decide for themselves. user_talk:Jtdirl 01:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: David Irving

message: Under the "Upcoming Elections" section it says that the Haiti general elections will take place on November the 20th but according to Reuters it has since been delayed to "mid-December at the earliest." Just a heads up. -- Pyro19 12:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Haiti Election

message: From the front page:
:"Dr. Angela Merkel of the Christian Democratic Union is elected the new Chancellor of Germany, as the first woman ever."
This reads rather like she is the first woman ever, which would be a bold claim indeed, although definitely good reason to elect her to a position of authority. Could it be recast perhaps? Soo 12:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Heehee. I agree it should be reworded, and thanks for the giggle. --Sanguinus 14:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On a similar note, a BBC programme recently commented on the relative gender parity in the National Assembly for Wales by opening a report with "Did you know that almost half of the women in the Assembly are women?"  Chris talk back 08:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Angela Merkel

message: Surely this page is not intended for items about high school football results (see Nov 24).
:I'm inclined to agree, so I be'd bold and removed it. Lord Bob 17:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School Football 

message: I removed this item:
* Taiwan's vice president praises Rev. Moon's peace initiative.  Annette Lu sat raptly among 3,000 people including Neil Bush, and aftwerwards supported Moon's efforts to promote world harmony.
I did so because Wikipedia isn't a PR firm for Sun Myung Moon to announce every time he recieves praise and flattery.  The item was added by User:Moon Man.  The presence of Annette Lu and Neil Bush and is sort of interesting, but not really a current event.  --Mr. Billion 18:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon gets praise and applause 

message: Someone should really write at least a stub on Kazakhstan's elections today.  It's a pretty big country, after all.--Pharos 17:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested current event 

message: I want to make an article about it.  Has anyone else started?  The only thing I could find was at Cronulla, New South Wales, and obviously needs work.  I'm going to start December 2005 Sydney Suburb Unrest, as news sources have already mentioned a spread to at least 3 areas.  Dsol 17:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  syndey suburb unrest 

message: Is the execution of Stanley Williams really newsworthy enough to be the lead article for the news of the entire world?
Theshibboleth 18:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been the first or second story on the BBC's domestic news broadcasts all day, although it's been pushed down a bit since the Peter Falconio verdict. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 18:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It has been condemned by the EU parliament. Seabhcán 18:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How often does the EU parliament condemn US executions? Theshibboleth 02:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not on a regular schedule, if you meant that. This was definitely a special occasion.  ナイトスタリオン ✉ 10:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Williams's execution 

message: Yes, yes, the headlines say he admitted responsibility, but if you look at what he said, it's not much of an admission: "It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong. As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. And I'm also responsible for fixing what went wrong by reforming our intelligence capabilities. And we're doing just that."
Now, yes, he accepts responsibility for the decision.  And responsible for "reforming our intelligence capabilities".  But where does he admit responsibility for it?  To paraphrase: "I'm responsible for the war, which was justified by bad intelligence.  I'm responsible for fixing the source of that intelligence."
That does not accept responsibility for the bad intelligence.
65.166.218.250 22:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your opinion. I agree with your gist, but this section isn't for discussing "current events" per se, it's for discussing the article called Current events, ways to make it better, and such.  --Mr. Billion 00:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I was discussing the article called Current events and making it better by editing it to reflect reality.  Ok, that sounds snotty, but as it stands the entry on Bush accepting responsibility is wrong. 65.166.218.250 15:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bush "admits" responsibility