Talk:Chicano English

message: The topic of Chicano English brings up the question:
Do each of the other types of Hispanic Americans also have their own dialects of American English? Gringo300 (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanic American English dialects

message: What does 'carnal' (-oye carnal) mean?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jondel (talk • contribs) 
:I think it can mean "buddy" or "pal."  It also means carnal. AEuSoes1 04:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: carnal

message: George Lopez does not speak Chicano English (if you read the article carefully). He speaks Spanish-accented English.
He is born in the States so he definitely does not speak Spanish-accented English. That`s one of the myths about people like him and about Chicano English. You should read some scientific literature about it, for example "Chicano English in Context" by Carmen Fought.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.240.135.159 (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: George Lopez

message: How come there are so many references listed for a page that is essentially a stub? Strange. I'm going to see if I can find the referenced books in my uni's library, and perhaps start fleshing out an actual article here. Reydeyo (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stubble

message: This section is minorly incorrect. Off the top of my head I can think of two isolated examples ('red' and 'pared') and an entire class (nouns ending in '-dad') that are final -d. Perhaps it should be altered to discuss deletion of final consonant clusters? This is all it demonstrates anyway. ClockwerkMao (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Consonant Deletion 

message: ...that it should be deleted.
Or at least get it right. 
"Chicano English" is not a dialect of American English used by Chicanos. The subject of this article could be more accurately described as a regional dialect for a subset of people or as a dialect of American English spoken by Chicanos in California, and even more specifically southern California. As the article has already pointed out, "Chicano English" is not spoken by the "Chicanos" in parts of Texas.
There is a sizable "Chicano" population in industrialized northern US cities like Chicago and the "Chicanos" there do not speak this cholo/low-rider/zoot suit/southern California dialect. Possibly because the Mexican populations that ended immigrating to industrialized northern US cities took jobs in the local factories and worked among non-Spanish speakers (many also recent immigrants from Europe) which forced the recent immigrant groups (Mexican and European) to acquire at least a working grasp of English to communicate with each other and consequently they assimilated faster, often within the first generation.
This is so racist (talk) 01:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: it says used by chicanos, not by ALL chicanos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.73.7.198 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's not racist, it's just over-generalizing.  This is a conflict between WP:THETRUTH and WP:RS.  That is, actual sources call it "Chicano English" (sometimes), but other sources make it clear that not all self-identifying Chicanos speak this way; it is clearly centered on Southern California.  So, it is possible that the article needs to be renamed, but we need to look to reliable sources for another attested term for it; I don't know of one off the top of my head.  Maybe some linguistic sources have some term for it like "Hispanic Californian Vernacular English" or something.  Like all dialects, it's also in flux; California in recent decades has had a very large influx of Central and South Americans, affecting the Hispanic use of English in the area and the very nature of the Hispanic subculture in California (though perhaps more so in the San Francisco Bay Area than between San Diego and L.A.).  At any rate, the WP:GREATWRONGS desire to "fix" the fact that not every single Chicano in America speaks what this article (and external sources) call Chicano English cannot lead us through original research to reject the term as "wrong".  Rather, the scope and definition of the article's subject needs to be defined better.  Two countervailing factors are a) the term "Chicano" is on the decline, and b) it only applies to Mexican Americans, not all Hispanics, and many non-Chicanos simply do not understand that at all.  Puerto Rican and Cuban Americans, for example, are  Chicanos, so any argument along the lines "Hispanics in New York and Florida don't speak this 'Chicano English', so this article must be wrong" are invalid on their face.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is so racist 

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message: I know a lot about this accent, since I have an Hispanic background and hail from Southern California, and the phonology section is not based in reality. I even get the feeling that the major editor of that section has never even heard the dialect/accent themselves. It seems to be based on a preconception of an accent of someone who is in some way related to an Hispanic national. Articles like this need to be razed and begun again from scratch. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the inclination... at least not currently. Lighthead þ 19:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything in the consonant section, besides th-stopping (which occurs among non-Hispanics too) is unsourced. I personally haven't heard any of those features, besides the light L, in people who grew up speaking English, so I'll just go ahead and delete them. The vowel section seems more accurate and well-sourced. Erinius (talk) 17:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The phonology section is extremely inaccurate