Talk:Ideomotor effect

message: The current article focuses on the implausible "paranormal or supernatural" attributions of ideomotor behaviour. While outside of mainstream, ideomotor signaling has been used in the health profession.  --Comaze 06:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbalanced 

message: Is Ideo motor response a duplicate page ? I've tried to propose a merger ... redirect ? 
Or should the 'paranormal' stuff be there, separate from the scientific stuff ?
(... and who knows which is which ?)
--195.137.93.171 04:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger Proposal 

message: "... tears are produced by the body unconsciously in reaction to the emotion of sadness ..." - is that strictly a motor effect ? I don't know much about tear secretion !
"... convincing volunteers to perform some action without consciously deciding to do so ..." - I would have thought this was hypnotic suggestion, not Ideomotor effect ? Stage hypnotists generally persuade you to run around acting like a chicken, not twitch an eyelid or tilt a hand. I would have thought it was different in kind, not just in degree. Many doubt its authenticity [citation needed]. It is also artificially induced, not naturally spontaneous.
I am intrigued by effects that may be commonplace examples of Ideomotor effect - where we only think about the effect we want to achieve, not what we do to achieve it:
1) Lead-and-follow co-operation  in partner dancing - people just do it naturally, without knowing how they do it.
Some work has been done by Sommer Gentry that suggests reaction times are much faster than possible for conscious reaction, yet I don't think it is a conditioned reflex response ?
2) Riding a bicycle - Countersteering - most people believe they "turn the handlebars clockwise to turn right", but a clockwise torque will cause a lean to the left and therefore a turn to the left (or a crash) !
3) Touch-typing ? Not my field of expertise, but I'm using a Spanish Keyboard with a British English driver to suit my finger-memory !
Maybe these are just conditioned responses ?
These get really interesting if you ever have to try teach them to someone who doesn't "just get it" naturally !
--195.137.93.171 04:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Practical Examples 

message: I had written something to help people understand what I feel happens with the e-meter that's seen at tables set up in public as well as the so-called "spiritual tool" Scientology uses to undergo auditing and security checks, etc. This is in fact the ideomotor effect and response. It makes people think they can "see their thoughts." The references here if you read closely may help to explain further. I will be adding something on these pages, but wanted you to read what I've researched and found. I am not a doctor, but the research is helpful, imo. The link with the information: 
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist9.htm
Imagine a Letter from L Ron Hubbard
....
In 1907, Sidis discovered that physical stimulus or noises or words made the needle on the galvanometer move. Then he discovered that the same needle on the instrument moved just by thinking that thought, of the same stimuli, noise or words:
"The experimenter then ascertained that actual irritation (stimulus) was not essential to these results, but the presentation of the proposed stimulus to the imagination also brought about similar deviations in the galvanometer. He stated, furthermore, that the recollection of some fear, fright or joy, in general any kind of strong emotion, produced the same result. He also noted that the emotion of expectant attention or anticipation had a marked effect upon the galvanometer." (1)
After several years and scientific investigation using these instruments, Sidis and colleagues like Wundt, (who I also say bad things about) concluded:
"He describes the methods of working with the subconscious, especially as developed in his Psychology of Suggestion. The association method and graphic methods (sphygmograph, plethysmograph, pneumograph, galvanometer) are of no value clinically...Introspection and observation, the study of dream states, the use of hypnotic and hypnoidal states and their methods of employment are given special attention. The role of suggestibility is stressed." (2)
---also, the e-meter Hubbard coined as a spiritual tool, was originally patented by Volney Mathison who also wrote previous books on the use pendulum. http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist4.htm
Maureen D (talk) 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dianetics and Scientology E-Meter 

message: 
Mirror at http://www.goallab.nl/publications/documents/Aarts,%20Custers,%20Marien%20(2008)%20-%20preparing%20and%20motivating%20behavior%20outside%20awareness.pdf
MartinPoulter (talk) 17:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for this article