Talk:Valmiki

message: I ask in all seriousness: Is Valmiki a historical figure, or a character of legend?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.199.133 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 9 July 2005  There once lived a hunter named Ratnakara.  He killed harmless birds and gentle animals for food, He is Vishnu Avatar. But that's time is Satyug. 
Maharishi Valmiki ji sitted under tree. Ratnakara explained that he had to support his family, so he chose robbery as the means.  The sages asked him whether his family would partake of the sin that came from what he does for his livelihood.  Ratnakara answered without a doubt, “Yes!”  But the sages asked him to go get the answer from his family, promising to wait for his answers.
The hunter went straight to his wife and asked whether she is willing to share his sins.  Even though she was benefiting from his sinful life, she refused to share the sins.  Hoping that at least his children would partake of the sins with him, he was heartbroken by hearing the same answer from his children.  In disbelief at what he had heard, he returned back to the sages with a heavy heart.
Ratnakara threw himself at their feet, asking to redeem his soul.  The sages blessed him and gave him a mantra.  He couldn’t remember and say the holy name of “Rama,” so they gave him the mantra “ma-ra,” meaning “kill,” but which is an inverted version of “Rama.”  He was asked to repeat the mantra without interruption until they returned.  Ratnakara sat in a meditative pose, reciting the mantra for years.  An anthill formed around him, ultimately covering him fully.
After many years, the seven rishis returned and brought him out of his great tapas (austerities).  He came out a person different in every aspect.  The rishis blessed him as one of the great rishis, naming him “Valmiki” since he came out of “valmik” (anthill).  With the rishis’ blessings and with his spiritual energy and knowingness, he earned the respect of everyone from everywhere.
Once he was visited by Maharishi Narada.  Valmiki welcomed Narada with great respect.  Narada blessed Valmiki and they started conversing about great beings living by righteousness.  Valmiki asked Narada to name the most perfect being, who is living a dharmic life.  Narada immediately named Rama, the King of Ayodhya.  Narada started telling the wonderful story of Rama, which fascinated Valmiki.  Valmiki was very grateful to hear the story of Rama, and continued to repeat it in his mind all the time as though he were hearing it afresh.
 One day Valmiki was on his way to have a bath in the Tamasa River, attended by one of his disciples.  He saw two birds on a branch of a tree, courting and cooing together.  Mesmerized by the birds’ love for each other, Valmiki stood there watching them.  As he was admiring them, a hunter killed one of the birds; the other one was devastated and in deep sorrow.
In his grief, Valmiki cursed the hunter for being so cruel.  The Sanskrit words he uttered spontaneously, because of his grief (shoka), came out in verse form, with melody and rhythm.  This was the first “shloka” (Sanskrit stanza) ever.  At that very moment, Lord Brahma, the lord of creation, appeared in front of him and requested Valmiki to write the story of Rama as narrated by Narada.  Brahma blessed him to write what he knew and that the unknown would be given to him.
With that blessing, Valmiki sat in a meditative pose and the story started unfolding in front of him as though he was witnessing the whole thing all over again.  Valmiki started writing the first epic of all times, “Ramayana” in stanza form.  After finishing writing the Ramayana, he started reading it to the public at large.  The crowd was spellbound by the story
Valmiki existed in Treta Yuga which is like In stone age or early bronze age technically  950CMR (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Removed following portion.
Valmiki is a prime example in the disproof of the caste system as a religious system, seeing as he was a low-caste in the caste system showing this to be social rather than religious. Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him. This has been proven otherwise by a contemporary study carried out by the late Dr Julia Leslie of the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and is set out in her book Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki.
When Lord Rama asked Sita to leave his palace because the subjects of his kingdom suspected her purity during her abduction by Ravana of Lanka (present day Sri Lanka), she obeyed the wish of Lord Rama and the people and was granted sanctuary by Lord Valmiki at his ashram, which is located in Amritsar and is currently known as Ram Tirath. It is here that her children Lava and Kusha were born.
Rohitbd 15:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed to talk. 

message: Removed the portion referring to Valmiki being unable to pronounce "Rama".
The legend that Narada asked Valmiki to chant Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra... which turns out to be the same as chanting Ra-Ma-Ra-Ma... (i.e., Rama's name) is incorrect, as this is applicable only when written (and perhaps only in English), since the name "Raam" (the 'aa' is phonetically the sound of 'a' in the word 'ah') is written as "Rama" in English. This is an artefact of trying to write Indic words in English. In Sanskrit and most Indian languages, the true pronounciation (phonetic) of "Rama" is Raam or Raama (the 'aa' is phonetically the sound of 'a' in the English word 'ah') - the last 'a' (which occurs after 'm') is not uttered. So, saying Raa-Ma-Raa-Ma (which is correct if the 'a' in 'Ma' is not uttered) is neither compatible with Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra..., nor with Maa-Ra-Maa-Ra..., nor with Maa-Raa-Maa-Raa.... Additionally the legend holds true only in Hindi and Marathi where Maraa  indeed means dead (in Hindi) and die (in Marathi), so Ma-Raa-Ma-Raa... is compatible with Raa-Ma-Raa-Ma Rohitbd 09:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend of ''Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra...'' 

message: Ramayan was written in Satyug. He taught the lessons of Ramayan to luv and kush also. So how that Ramayan reached to us when it was written at that time?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyam (talk • contribs) 12:17, 11 November 2005
: Agreed. At least, that should reflect in this article as Indian perspective.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was Ramayan written by Valmiki Ji 

message: Balmiki is often the preferred way of spelling Valmiki by people from the state of Punjab in India.
The correct spelling is Valmiki not Balmiki,   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seema Chohan (talk • contribs) 23:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: http://onkar.blogspot.com/2006/10/im-dalit-how-are-you-this-is.html   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valmiki/Balmiki 

message: I edited the birth history of Valmiki he is not robber as every one thinks he is called agni shrama. There is external link : moralstories.
Bhagwan Valmiki is frequently and ignorantly labelled as a robber by Hindus, there is a tendency to over-look hard facts please see the articules by Dr Manjula Sahdev under Writings and Articules on the following link:
http://www.bhagwanvalmiki.com/main.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe that the section on Valmiki's early life should be expanded to include all the various views on him as well as sources backing up these positions. e.g. adivasi assertions that Valmiki was either a Bhil or born in a Bhil house, vs. the story below... 173.70.192.62 (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend about valmiki 

message: A statement keeps being added to the introduction by an editor. This statement reads, "Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him. This has been proven otherwise by a contemporary study carried out by the late Dr Julia Leslie of the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and is set out in her book Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki" This statement begins with some original research, "Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him." I do not know where this is from. Also, Dr Julia Leslie's book may be a reliable source, but exactly how and what she proved "otherwise" is far from clearly stated. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Julia Leslie's work is a reliable source (WP:RS) but the anonymous editor needs to study the text to understand what is said there.  The offending statement (that Valmiki was a "forest brigand") wasn't in Valmiki's original text.  It came from later writers, and thus it became a story habitually attached to Valmiki.  The anonymous edit introduces a distracting and extraneous issue here.Fconaway (talk) 22:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Kindly give the source of information, research resources and other reliable information based on which Julia Leslie's work is based on. The book itself is not available in public domain. Also, while there are millions of books from Indian intellects, it is really interesting why none of them is mentioned here, at least to reflect Indian belief.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement in intro

message: I have removed the following text:
"This stage also produced a pronounced emphasis on Varna- Dharma: Sambuka, the Sudra ascetic, is killed by Rama in order to bring a Brahmin boy back to life."
Reason for this edit is that Sambuka story is highly controversial, and there is no established authority to say either/or. The Hindu circles don't believe that this incident took place, where as the non-Hindu circles, especially the christian missionary circles, continue to believe and spread this story as a fact in India. Either way, in order to put this incident here on the Wikipedia, a strong "factual" reference is needed as per Wikipedia editing guidelines. No point in putting things here on hearsay.
R. Patel (talk) 03:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The contentious Sambuka story 

message: I believe that the article must have information about Valmiki  Tirath, Amritsar. This is the place where Valmiki Ji gave shelter to Mata Sita and where Lav and Kush were born. This is the place where he completed Ramayana.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No reply ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If I do not recieve reply to this discussion then I will have to add Ram Tirath part into the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  VAlmiki Tirath - Amritsar 

message: I am planning to add Indian perspective and views of some of southern Indian intellects to this article. If anyone can contribute about northern Indian intellects perspectives, it would be great. I would like to first post the article here (below) and once it comes to a good shape, move it to the main article.
Also, those who have objections, please raise and discuss.
Guttina (talk) 13:37, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Perspective 

message: Looks like we've conflicting sources, or is it different accounts perhaps? --Ronz (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved to talk for discussion

message: Valmiki was son of Prachethasudu. His birth name was PRAACHATHASUDU(ref.VALMIKI RAMAYANA UTTARAKANDA AND SRI DEVIBHAGAVATHAM BY SRI VEDAVYAS). VAlmiki was never a robber or highwayman.(ref;punjab and Haryana highcourt judgement -The Times of india ,dated 22 May 2010).An authentic and reliable data was produced by Punjab University regarding the lifehistory of Maharshi Valmiki by making Research,considering all the available Vedas,puranas,Upanishaths etc; since A.D.9 th century.Valmiki was 7 th son of Prajapathi Prachethasudu.Valmiki told himself to Lord SriRama that he never spoke a lie nor did a sin but he did Thapassu for several years with which power he could Know all present,past and Future.In SriDevibhagatham VedaVyas wrote that Marshi Valmiki was his Guru from whom he learnt SRISARASWATHI Beejaashkara om Im Hreem Kreem Kleem .He also mentioned the Vamsha Vrushkam of Prachethasudu .The false stories written and published many other authors is not Authentic.(Prof.C.Gnaneswar- email id gchippagiri @yahoo.in mobile no;9440224383) PRACHATHASUDU went into a deep penance while reciting the Lord's name. Soon, an anthill grew around him. After a long penance, a divine light came upon him and said that he was free from all sins, and that he was to be called "Valmiki" from then(Valmiki meaning 'one who sits in an anthill' in Sanskrit). 
Rem achates (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life

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thread_title: File:Maharishi Valmiki.JPG Nominated for Deletion

message: To whom it may concern
I have been reading the article on Wikipedia regarding Valmiki Religion and would like you to edit the content of the article.
I strongly dispute the article stressing that Valmiki was a robber and killed people before robbing them.  This is not correct and whilst you have used the resources listed this is not a accurate reflection of the history.
It is not advisable to slander any religion or beliefs based on books that have recorded their accounts.
I would like this to be removed immediately.
Thank you.
small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdevi13 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The story is now part of the Uttara Khanda of the Ramayana. The reference and the article says so. There is no reason for removal. Also, the tale is regarded to be the  archetypal example to demonstrate the power of God's name. Vaishnava saints (like Kanhopatra for example) refer to how the robber turned to saint by repeating God's name. --Redtigerxyz  Talk  18:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2014 

message: Who do you think Valmiki influenced the most?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.160.66.154 (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genius Valmiki 

message: {{subst:RMassist|Valmiki|MaharishiValmiki|reason=Please change the title because Valmiki is the title of a schedule caste in India.you can verify here< http://socialjustice.nic.in/scorder1950.php?pageid=3> and this article is about the writer of Ramayana and this article'title shoes him as a caste.Some community worship him as a lord and this article hurts their feelings  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.236.124.6 (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Your text say:
As God's incarnation
The Vishnudharmottara Purana says that Valmiki was born in the Tetrayuga as a form of Vishnu 
The yuga is called "Treta" - not "Tetra".
217.209.214.87 (talk) 07:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: -- haminoon (talk) 08:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015 

message: Hi, in the 'valmiki' of  english wikipedia, it is shown that the poet valmiki was given the name as he was meditating for many years and 'ant-hill' grow around him. But some other languages, eg:malayalam wikipedia, it is shown that it was not the 'ant-hill' but the 'termite-hill' was formed and such the name 'valmikam' was given.
english version
(The robber meditated for many years, so much so that ant-hills grew around his body. Finally, a divine voice declared his penance successful, bestowing him with the name "Valmiki": "one born out of ant-hills" (Valmikam in Sanskrit means Ant-hill).[5])
this is the malayalam version
'വല്‌മീകം' എന്നാൽ ചിതൽപ്പുറ്റ്. വല്‌മീകത്തിൽ നിന്ന് വന്നവൻ‌ വാല്‌മീകി ഇങ്ങനെയാണ് പേരിന്റെ ഉത്പത്തി എന്നാണ് പൊതുവേയുള്ള വിശ്വാസം. 
please clear this doubt.Thank you
Dhinesh ravindran (talk) 15:17, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Amortias (T)(C) 19:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2015 

message: In the introduction part of this article it says Sage Valmiki is believed to have lived between 300 to 100 BCE and references used for that are all western ones/foreign ones and it is now widely known that western so-called historians distorted the real history of India and presented Indians history to Indians in such a manner so as to make Indians believe that before the so-called Aryan invasion no civilisation really existed in this country. And the Britishers did this for two reasons: first to justify their colonial rule and second to prove that everything before 6000 years was simply a myth because this is what biblical myths say that universe was created 6000 years ago. But now with improvements in modern scientific tools and techniques we know that on both accounts British were wrong. No Aryan migration from Central Asia to India happened and universe is obviously not 6000 years old.
New and modern scientific research clearly reveals us that Lord Rama was born on 10th January 5114 BCE which is about 7029 years ago. This date was reached at by using advanced planetary positions telling softwares which uses the positions of various heavenly bodies as mentioned in the epic Ramayana. And through Ramaya we also know that Sage Valmki was a contemporary of Lord Rama. So it is clear that Sage Valmiki lived about 7029 years ago and not 2300 years ago as this biased article falsely teaches. And here is the evidence of latest scientific research on this subject - Historicity of era of Lord Rama 45.117.181.119 (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical information on Wikipedia is created according to reliable sources as defined in WP:HISTRS. The nationality of the sources is entirely immaterial. If you have WP:HISTRS sources that give different information, please provide their full citations. The above document does not meet the requirements. - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  In short only those sources are considered as reliable which support the western/Christian point of view and all non-Christian and non-western references and sources are unreliable, isn't it? And nationality of the sources is completely material because so-called historians paint history from their own brush which is often from the point of view of their own nationality. And unbiased and completely neutral point of view cannot be expected from such scholars. Many western people believe whatever they think is history is history because they want to prove that west is superior from antiquity to this day. So how can you expect neutrality from such people? Also it is now well known that the Britishers propagated the myth of Aryan invasion which has now been discredited. In short we can say Wikipedia is not unbiased but greatly suffers from biased point of view. It is a tool of western propaganda presenting itself as the greatest repository of human knowledge which is just a farce. By the way tell me is the universe 6000 years old? 103.18.72.20 (talk) 04:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth of Sage Valmiki 

message: Main_Page
Please change 'Early Life' section to
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Sage Valmiki has written in Uttarkanda of Ramayana that :
प्रेचेतसोंह दशमाः पुत्रों रघवनंदन। मनसा कर्मणा वाचा, भूतपूर्व न किल्विषम्।।
means O Ram!! I am the tenth son of sage Pracheta has never done violence either by voice, heart or Karma. 
This shloka was said by the Sage Valmiki when introducing himself in the court of Rama when he brought the Rama's sons Love and Kush in front of him and talking about the sacredness of Sita.
Maharishi Valmiki was never a dacoit- Punjab and Haryana High Court
Atuldhawan90 (talk) 05:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2015 

message: *  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surya bhai 1 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  भगवान वालमीकी का जीवन  

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4304:e6b0:218:8bff:fe74:fe4f (talk • contribs) 
change ((Tamil)) to ((Tamil language|Tamil))
: Undone: This request has been undone. Removed the Tamil script, since there is no particular reason as to why the Tamil script was inserted in the first place. regards,  DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 13:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamil 

message: Maharishi Balmiki Sanskrit University, Kaithal is named after him/Balmiki.Khattar announces scholarships, Sanskrit university for SCs, The Hindu, 24 Oct 2015 it is named after the Hindu sage, Balmiki,Sanskrit University to be set up in Kaithal: Manohar Lal Khattar, Times of India, 21 Feb 2017. 
PS: I have created the draft article on the university, awaiting approval. Thanks. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add this

message: The given information regarding Valmiki's ancestry as well as his penance is incorrect. The story that we are familiar with is that Valmiki was from a hunter tribe and he was so devoid of a dharmic life that he was not even able to pronounce the word "Rama". Upon a chance encounter with Narada, who adviced him to chant on "Mara" which eventually turned into Rama. Please don't spears false information. Oshin94 (talk) 20:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information regarding Valmiki's ancestors is incorrect 

message: The ancestry of Valmiki is only mentioned from a Brahmin perspective. Many communities in India have very varying stories with respect to origins of prominent people in mythology. Some communities believe Valmiki before his transformation to be a robber, some as thief , hunter etc and it is essential to include all that rather than mention the view of a single community. Please provide the edit request. Oshin94 (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on Valmiki ancestry 

message: I heard that birth name of sage valmiki was Ratnaakara..but there is mentioned Agni sharma..so please look into it. Billu0906 (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name of valmiki 

message: Valmiki's name is Ratnakkardah. 108.238.68.255 (talk) 16:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 18:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2020 

message: Mara does not mean kill, it means die. So please edit that in the 'Early life' section. 2601:1C1:8904:D480:E544:EAD6:B6D5:D4E0 (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Aasim 02:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2020 

message: It is utter Stupidity to think that Valmiki Ramayana is difficult to date. Colonial Indologists & today's Indologists know nothing about the Ancient Scriptures & not tried to find out the original Antiquity of the Indian Civilization. They never done the genuine work. 
It is well preserved Kavya till this date & has 600+ Astronomical observations, no. of various Climatological, Geological, Paleontological, Botanical data by which it can be dated with rigorous hardwork. Shri Nilesh N. Oak has done very wonderful & genuine job in this sector & we all appreciate his hard work in dating the Ram Ravan Yuddha - 12,209 BCE. Sanatandharm2.0 (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please cite reliable scholarly sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020 

message: 2405:204:A52D:DDF4:0:0:2957:B8A4 (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2021 

message: The wikipage is spreading wrong information about Rishi Valmiki of Ramayana.
They are seemingly confusing them with Anguli-Maal story from Buddhism ,that's dated much later than Ramayana's. It takes place in the time of Buddha and is associated with Valmiki caste. 117.197.18.184 (talk) 09:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rishi Valmiki of Ramayana confused with Valmiki from Buddhism 

message: How the religion of Valmiki was Hinduism? The term Hinduism has no origin in the eras of Veda, Ipanishada, Ramayana, Mahabharata... 42.110.136.221 (talk) 17:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2022 

message: Valmiki Samaj which is actually a part of Hindu religion is the most depressed and alienated Caste of this religion. But nobody wants to talk about it. Because modern generation think today there is very less discrimination in India which is actually not true. 
Even after Dr. Ambedkar tried hard to give equal status to every person this samaj is not treated equally in the society. Today lower castes like valmikis are made pandits but they can perform rituals for the lower caste only. 
There is discrimination in pandits for lower and upper castes. Even after Dr.Ambedkar tried hard to promote inter caste marriages people now have started accepting intercaste marriages but not a marriage of upper and lower caste is accepted at all. In most of the offices private or government only valmikis do the lower jobs like cleaning and very less or no valmiki can be seen as working at a higher post in any office. Today government release vaccancies for schedule caste people due to reservation but they are only the lower posts. Higher paid jobs are reserved for upper castes and lower paid are reserved for lower castes. Jobs are categorised on the basis of castes.
This valmiki Samaj is still very behind both socially and economically. Diksha Kalyan (talk) 13:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valmiki Samaj 

message: Shree Valmiki's original name was Ratnakar Yeeeeeee2090 (talk) 08:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2023