Talk:Shitō-ryū

message: Why doesn't this page explain anything about this kind of Karate? Knowing about history is useful, but most people want to find about the way they fight ...
: I am adding this Cubbi 21:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see someone added Shitokai logo, I'll try to add at least two more branch logos that I've been a member of Cubbi 21:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Shouldn't we place Mabuni Kenwa's life story into Kenwa Mabuni and leave Shito-ryu to the style itself? --Cubbi 13:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man and his work 

message: After reading this article, I have found it lacking in the history of the style.  There is no mention of its heritage from Shorin-ryū (Mabuni's first teacher was Itosu).  Also, there is no mention of Shinpan Shiroma (Gusukuma).  From the little I have read on the subject, Shiroma and Mabuni were friends who started Shito-ryu together.  They called their styles Mabuni Shito-ryu and Shiroma Shito-ryu.  I'm not sure if Shiroma's lineage is still practiced, but his students who continued his style are Ishikawa Horoku and Koshin Shiroma (as in the lineage chart in the book, "Okinawan Karate: Its Teachers, Styles and Secret Techniques," By Mark Bishop).  I don't have this book, but have read a few pages from it online.  I think this article should also mention Shiroma and his role - even if Shito-ryu karateka do not consider him to be in their lineage.  Otherwise, this article should probably renamed to Mabuni Shito-ryu to reflect its actual content.  I do not know much of the history of Shito-ryu, so I do not want to make these major changes to the article.  --Scott Alter 06:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find, in all 15 years of Shito-ryu practice in three different organizations, nobody ever mentioned Shiroma when talking about the history to me. Renaming the main article to "Mabuni Shito-ryu" would be wrong since current understanding of "Mabuni Shito-ryu" is 'shito-ryu as practiced by the Mabuni family', as opposed to Motobu-ha, Hayashi-ha, Tani-ha, and so on. From what I am reading online, Mabuni opened his dojo in Osaka and taught there, while Shiroma remained/returned in Okinawa and started teaching there ten years later, essentially creating an Okinawan branch of Shito-ryu.. Very interesting, really! What we should do is write up a more expansive lineage of which existing dojos came from which, ultimately leading up to Mabuni's school and Gukusuma's school. BTW, I am finding online a mention of a couple of katas - Gukusuma-no-Chinto and Gukusuma-no-Passai --Cubbi 18:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shorin-ryū parenthood and Shinpan Shiroma (Gusukuma)'s role 

message: The article states that Mabuni was descended from the famous Onigusukini samurai family. I find this hard to believe, since Mabuni and Onigusukini are both very Okinawan-sounding names, and only Japanese (i.e. from the Home Islands, not the politically semi-independent and culturally and ethnically distinct Ryukyu Kingdom) were samurai. Was he perhaps descended from a pechin family? LordAmeth (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Every single reference in google for "Onigusukini" is the sentence repeated in this wikipage, and I have no idea how is it written in kanji. Notwithstanding, personally I think the whole paragraph about Mabuni's life should go to Mabuni Kenwa. --Cubbi (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm being bold and deleting the reference. A Google search for "おにぐすきに" yields zero results; that doesn't mean the family name doesn't exist, but even if it does, and Mabuni is genuinely descended from that family, I think it exceedingly unlikely that it was a samurai family. If someone else has a reliable source to cite, they can put it back. LordAmeth (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, searching for the reading of some old family name is bound to be fruitless. But the japanese wiki page for Mabuni doesn't mention it either (and, in fact, is much more brief: born, studied, studied, opened school, named Shito-ryu, died, one book cited as reference). So I agree. --Cubbi (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe "Onigusukini" is a mistranslation of "Uni-Ufugusuku"; Uni-Ufugusuku was a pechin and karate master. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:02, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samurai? 

message: I have a better image for the Shito-Ryu logo, but i cant upload it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SlitherX (talk • contribs) 10:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Seems that we have an edit war about whether to include the opening ceremony section. In my view, lack of references alone is not a reason to delete this. The content doesn't seem controversial, so it's not a major problem if it's unreferenced. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If there were a reference, we could establish what is unique to the Shito ryu opening ceremony. I do not see what distinguishes the Shito ryu ceremony from other similar Japanese martial art opening ceremonies. I do not see how this unreferenced section improves the article. jmcw (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at  section 'Contemplation MOKUSO' or at Ogasawara-ryū. jmcw (talk) 09:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this content should be moved to that article? I still don't see any reason to delete it, but if it belongs in a different article instead, so be it. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 12:10, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A reliable secondary reference to the Opening Ceremony would resolve this. jmcw (talk) 13:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening ceremony section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi, could the Shito-Ryu page bit ellaborate on it's history in USA and England? Because it is mostly about the Japanese side of things and I can't find much about it's presence in the Western world. Like who are American masters that bought the style to the country and when were the earliest dojos established and such?
2001:14BB:90:DD9:ADAD:8A5B:48AE:FFA8 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 12:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds good, but of course there need to be reputable sources for that. So if the only sources are X/Y/Z club websites then it is unlikely that they are going to be considered notable enough to include. If there is a book/magazine etc. that details Shito-ryu outside Japan then please suggest them here and we can build them into the article. It is a 'big 4' style and the page should reflect that. Mountaincirquetalk 11:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  History in US and England