Talk:Pearls Before Swine (comics)

message: I have removed the recurring characters section as at least part of it seems to come directly from .  I don't know about the rest, and it may be that this can be restored.  I don't know enough about the strip to rewrite the offending portions.  Basil Fawlty 14:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Article reverted to pre-copyvio version pre instructions on WP:CP--Duk 02:26, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal

message: I removed the long list of minor characters. I noticed that this was being updated almost daily, every time someone (something?) new appeared in the strip. The list had the potential to get really massive. It's one thing to mention a few sentences about minor characters who make multiple appearances, but I don't see a reason to list every single one-off appearance. The article isn't intended to summarize the entire fictional world of Pearls Before Swine.  Joyous | Talk 19:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't see the article before ir got cut, but there are several recurring charectars that arn't mentioned, the only one I can think of now is Rat's boss. Rat's boss has appeared much more than one strip, and there is nothing that suggests he will stop appearing, so I think charectars like that should stay in.
Rat's boss will disappear eventually. Rat has gotten so many jobs and has had so many bosses, that it would make this article encreadibly and unnessicarally long if we listed them all.
I'm concerned about article quality. (in general, and this article specifically) I fear that a lot of articles degrade over time into cruft; other articles so effusively praise the topic that they simply can't be neutral. I'm not sure what the ideal article on a comic strip (even a great one like Pearls) should look like, but I fear that some articles start to become too long if we add too many minor details. MKoltnow 20:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cutting 

message: Did anybody notice the Rat page I wrote? --Wack'd About Wiki 19:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rat (Pearls Before Swine)]] 

message: I split the "minor characters" section between "recurring" and "minor." Here's my reasoning:
:The recurring characters are the characters who appear more frequently, and seem to have had a larger affect on the strip. Farina and the Sea Anenomes have popped up frequently over the few years PBS has been around, and the Guard Duck has appeared many times since his first appearence.
:The minor characters have appeared frequently enough to play a small role in the strip, but appear not as frequently as the recurring characters or only appeared for a limited time in a large series of strips. Lesser characters who do not fit these qualifications; in my opinion, do not warrent mention.
If you don't like my way, fine, but at least read this to see my reasoning. --Wack'd About Wiki
:: In the case of another character -- I re-added "Danny Donkey", because the character does appear occasionally and isn't a one-off character. (The drunken Danny Donkey doll might never appear again, but the illustrated one (drawn by Rat) has appeared since and probably will again.) Amnewsboy 16:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In another case of characters, I'm glad to see this page is spurring alot of character pages. --Wack'd About Wiki 11:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: Do we want to mention this within the article because of the Jimella Tunstall case? It was still in this morning's Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel so it was a paper-to-paper basis that the strip was subbed with the 2004 strip. Nate 22:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: September 26 Substitution

message: It's November and he's still in it a fair amount. Is he at the level of the Killer Whale yet?--T. Anthony 15:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Guard Duck?

message: I'm not sure the Zebras speek in a phonetic style, as the article says. They seem to speak some sort of Caribbean pidgin. Their speech is also uniquely lowercase, like the bully in Calvin and Hobbes. I'd like to rewrite the description and will happily do so barring objections. MKoltnow 08:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. I forgot one of the commandmants--thou shalt not edit when sleepy. :-) Still stick by my statement that the ZZE members' speech is not phonetic. MKoltnow 18:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocodile speech style 

message: Has the incident about the Turkish president achieved enough notoriety to add a mention to it somewhere in the page?  While I don't think it warrants a link to that quack's YouTube video (which isn't a reputable source anyway), if mainstream publications are picking up on it, it seems like it should be integrated into the controversies section.  Anyone else with thoughts on this?  SGreenwell 11:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Additions 

message: Isn't it just the male crocs who speek in the dumbed down, phonetic style?  The female crocodiles always seem to be perfectly articulate, from what I can tell.
The adult males, yes.  The croc son who we've seen several times in 2007 seems to also speak articulate English. MissFiat (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocodile Speech 

message: Something seriously has to be done about the recurring/minor characters sections. Honestly, barely any of them should be there. Many were just one-strip gags, and some characters where there only for a brief storyline. A great example, Wilhelm the Aquatic Lamb. Wilhelm was in a single strip and I'm willing to bet he won't reappear. A single random joke. Connie the Judgemental Cow, pretty much a prop for jokes for about four days. Even Staci Pastis has barely been there. I reckon the recurring and minor characters section can be merged and include only the following characters:
*Stephan Pastis
*Farina
*Pigita
*Alphonse, the Needy Porcupine
*Angry Bob
*Danny Donkey
*Chuckie, the Non-Anthropomorphic Sheep
*Leonard
*The Lions
*Pepito
*Toby the Agoraphobic Turtle
*Wee Bear
All other characters are insanely unimportant to the point where they're not even "Pearls Before Swine characters". The section's starting to look like a fan site made by an die-hard Pearls fan instead of an encyclopaedia.
:Agreed check out the proposal to merge the characters page to the main page. Snowfreak91287 (talk) 00:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I removed an external link link from the article. The one linking to "Pearlswine: LiveJournal Daily Feed of Pearls Before Swine".
Although it does service the reader, the publication of strips there is probably unauthorized. It therefore is restricted without without exception as per Wikipedia:External links. - Apartmento (talk) 08:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed External Link 

message: It seems as though the crocs are appearing more and more in the recent comics. It also seems that Rat is making less isolation devices for himself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.103.248 (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocodiles 

message: "When spoken aloud this strongly resembles a thick Hispanic accent."
I think I read in comic collection that Pastis didn't intend for the crocodiles' speech to resemble any particular accent. I'm not going to go track that citation down, but I don't think the above quote has any place in the article. Ueli-PLS (talk) 08:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed.  --Lambiam 10:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocodile Accent 

message: The article List of Pearls Before Swine characters largely duplicates content found here, and for most characters this article (Pearls Before Swine) is actually the more comprehensive and informative one. The length of the article is not a prohibitive factor.  --Lambiam 10:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The main article is much more detailed. In addition, the "Main Articles" for several of the major characters here simply redirect back to the same section that they're linked from (for example, the main article for Pig simply redirects to the section of this article about Pig). Oldiesmann (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Another agree. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. There's no need in two different articles. The article itself is definitely NOT that long. WinKi-tyan (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Another disagree.  If the main article is more detailed, then move "those" descriptions to the character page.  Pearls Before Swine has a LOT of characters and detailing them on the main article will detract from the focus - which is to inform about the strip rather than get bogged down on the character - on the main page.  I do not agree that each character should be given its own page (like, for instance, many characters have for Peanuts, or other comics and/or television shows) but a separate character page is definitely called for.  I would say such a page should be divided into major and minor and transient characters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.8.163.37 (talk) 02:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I say we should merge them. There's already a section of the "Pearls Before Swine" article dedicated to "List of Characters," so what's the point of having an extra article? We could even include a list of minor characters as a subset of the main category. There's no point in making people scroll between two different articles. If either were long enough that we would have trouble loading it into a web browser, that would be another story, but as of right now, I say merge the two articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.210.120 (talk) 19:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The way I see it is there are two choices, merge everything onto the main page or make a brief description of the characters on the main page and merge the two current texts as well as add more characters to the characters page.  Personally I would go with keeping it and giving them both a thorough overhaul. Snowfreak91287 (talk) 00:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge List of Pearls Before Swine characters to here 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Pearls Before Swine excerpt.png

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Pearlsmain.jpg

message: I am going through and editing this article, as the dates of appearances are wrong and several facts have been incorrectly stated. I am including proof that can be found in the comic it self. Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syntheticmoon (talk • contribs) 20:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic References 

message: There is way too much detail on the individual characters. Just a brief summary is fine. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also removed the "black comedy" category as that's original research. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansite 

message: I've noticed a lot of unnecessary facts are written in the articles (especially the Crocs). Do we really need to write down everything every single character did in the past nine years? I think the croc article could just slim down to the most appearing crocs i.e. Bob. The only other thing we really need about them is their failed attempts at killing Zebra. Just my one-fifth of a dime. Fishhead (talk) 02:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need everything? 

message: "[Larry and his family] still live in the Zeeba Zeeba Eeta frat house; it is possible he was too dumb to leave."
It could just be that the new Pearls book is new, but in the book, Pastis says that Zebra has three neighbors: The Lions, the Zeeba Zeeba Eeta frat house, and Larry's house.  Apparently, Larry's house his behind Zebra's house, with the other two houses being to the left and right of Zebra's house. --WeezleBeezle (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't know how to provide citation. Wanna help with that? --WeezleBeezle (talk) 20:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CITE. A commentary by Pastis is OK, but what we really need are third party sources. And we should not be making analysis based on the content of the strips. -- The Red Pen of Doom 06:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Red Pen of Doom, everything you said made little sense.  If Pastis said it, then it has to be true.  That's just how it works, right?  After all, Pastis made the strip.  He controls all the rules.  --WeezleBeezle (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well not quite - if Pastis said it, we can say that Pastis said it. We dont claim to have the truth, we print what we can verify in reliable sources. -- The Red Pen of Doom 01:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Weezle, you know the book name.  You can add text and reference like I suggested, then someone can correct your wordage if you do it wrong. I don't see where my suggestion violates cite rules.  MJ56003 (talk) 03:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little problem 

message: I think Snuffels the cat has become a main character by now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.72.187.59 (talk) 09:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite though. From what I remember, he's still secondary.Abce2 (talk) 00:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snuffels 

message: Bippy currently redirects here.  I've nominated it for deletion; please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2010_July_21#Bippy. Powers T 22:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bippy listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: the intro paragraph currently says:
[Pearls Before Swine] chronicles the daily lives of four anthropomorphic animals, Pig, Rat, Zebra, Goat and the crocs.
I would like to change it to make the numbering consistent, but I couldn't come up with wording that is accurate and also preserves the current meaning of the sentence as I read it. The best rewrite that I have come up with:
It chronicles the daily lives of a few anthropomorphic animals, Pig, Rat, Zebra, Goat, and the crocs.
Is not really that good in my opinion. I would only consider it marginally better than the existing text. Is there someone with a little more copyediting experience here that could help out?
TheTrueMikeBrown (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro paragraph numbering inconsistancy 

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thread_title: File:Pearls Characters.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: This isn't sourced at all, looks dubious (partly because of its writing style), and I can't find anything to support its veracity. Some help here, folks? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "You stupid fairy!" section 

message: In December he also had the controversial strips about the slaughterhouse and the criticizing the comics (Lions tigers and crocs, oh my!). Do those deserve mention?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.206.248 (talk) 00:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They are worth mentioning in the Wikipedia article if there was a lot of media (newspaper, presumably) coverage of the controversy (see here for which sources actually can be used). Otherwise, no.  -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 03:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 2003 

message: Editors have complained since 2008 that this page is nothing more than trivia-filled fansite. It's nowhere near WIkipedia standards, and much of this OR and minutiae needs to be excised in order for it to reach standard. Before a cleanup begins, please engage in discussion here now. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:39, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Fansite II

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As one editor remarked, this is uncited, unnecessary, info. It is common to refer to works by shortening the name to the first word.
Editors keep adding it back. Anyone have a reason to keep this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by XSevn (talk • contribs) 22:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "More commonly known as Pearls"

message: Hi all, I'm planning to do some cleanup work within the next few days to substantially streamline the Characters section. My goals are to remove trivial details that only appear in one strip or storyline, to be more selective with characters listed under the "Minor Characters" section, and to tighten up the prose where necessary. I noticed that, according to the page history, the Characters section is still accumulating detail on a semi-regular basis, so I wanted to give people some advance notice of my plans in case there are any concerns. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Planned cleanup