Talk:People to People Student Ambassador Program

message: Is there any indication that the application/interview process excludes any potential student on any other basis other than the ability to put money down on the table and to be able to pay for these trips?  I suppose if there is a spoiled brat of a wealthy family who is in and out of youth detention centers and their parents want to give them some "positive influence", there might be a possibility that they would be rejected.  I seriously don't see any sort of significant criteria other than simply having the option to exclude a kid as being a selection criteria here and that the ability to pay for the trip is a much more pressing matter.
The marketing literature for this program is something that that seems to hype up the aspect that this is something privileged, something of a unique appointment as if you had been nominated for a military service academy.  It could be nothing further from the truth.  Unfortunately most of the reliable sources of information about this process has a very strong POV bias either from marketing literature or from folks who have an ox to gore about the process.  The current section on the nomination process clearly needs to be cleaned up.
Also..... what on Earth does a marketing pamphlet from 1970 have anything at all to do with the current nature of this program?  As a source of information about the nomination process, perhaps, but it is currently violating WP:UNDUE and even by the admission of the paragraph itself doesn't reflect the current nature of the program.  If this is the only reliable source of information about this topic, that is rather anemic indeed.  --Robert Horning (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application & Nomination Process 

message: Since the new edit on this article is likely to be reverted, I would like to start an honest discussion of this issue and this source... perhaps again.
There is a legitimate "source" of criticism for this program so far as concern about the program, although in spite of my trying to dig around for some "legitimate" coverage of such criticism from reliable sources, it falls flat.  I find all kinds of commentary on message boards with testimonials up the wazoo.  None of that counts towards a credible source of information.
I've been keeping my hands off this article mainly just watching what is going on, hoping legitimate discussion on the talk pages will produce something better.  I do think a general housecleaning over the past year has perhaps gone too far in cleaning up the article to remove criticism, but I also don't think this particular paragraph helps restore that balance either.
What I don't want to see is another edit war on this article.  --Robert Horning (talk) 22:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consumer Affairs.... Again 

message: I currently work at People to People Ambassador Programs and am asking an editor to review and implement the below the requested copy updates with citation. We believe in upholding unbiased content in Wikipedia and are thus asking a third-party editor to consider the below edits. Overall, the History Section edit is to clarify our relationship with People to People International. The Programs Section updates are to better clarify our product offerings and provide more transparency on travel program content, price and current marketing tactics. Thanks - and feel free to reply with any suggestions or questions.
===Requested History Section Updates===
(Current) The program was originally sponsored by the U.S. Information Agency, a branch of the Federal Government. In 1961, Eisenhower decided that it should be preserved by private citizens and asked Joyce Hall, founder of Hallmark Cards, to facilitate the privatization. (new text) That same year, the nonprofit People to People International began a contractual relationship with Ambassador Programs, Inc. to administer People to People travel programs for adults and students. 
===Requested Programs Section Updates===
(New intro paragraph) People to People Ambassador Programs offers four types of ambassador travel, including international student ambassador travel, domestic leadership ambassador summits and forums, international collegiate ambassador travel, and international citizen ambassador travel for industry professionals. 
... in groups of between thirty and forty students (new text) with a target student teacher ration of 10-to-1.  Trips are usually comprised of students from a given city or county, not through a specific school. Tuition – the fees charged for a trip – range from $4,500 for trips to Canada to more than $7,999 for trips to Australia and the South Pacific; the fee for the Antarctica trip is not listed. 
During the trips, students attend various educational activities including the chance to meet local leaders and dignitaries; trips also feature outdoor activities such as hiking, snorkeling, zip-lining or repelling.  Longer itineraries include a 2- to 3-day home stay with a local family. 
Each student ambassador travel program includes a service component in which ambassadors participate in hands-on community service projects.  Participants can also earn high school or college credit for classes through the Washington School of World Studies (operated by People to People), as well as through Eastern Washington University. 
People to People Ambassador Programs also offers domestic student trips for grade school, middle school and high school students through Leadership Ambassador Programs.  These programs are focused on leadership development, community involvement, civics education and college preparation. Leadership Ambassador Programs include student trips to various U.S. destinations, including Washington D.C., New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles, to hear from speakers and industry experts, and exchange ideas with their peers from around the world. On these four- to ten-day programs, delegates engage in leadership curriculum, team-building and personal development exercises. 
Any student (5th grade or older) can apply to travel on a program, but some parents have complained that the program's marketing makes it appear that their child was exclusively selected or nominated to participate.[10] The operator makes extensive use of direct mail and digital “invitations” to recruit travelers.  All students must complete an application and an interview process before they can go on a trip to ensure that they possess the maturity and social skills needed for extended travel. 
Lindseyp2p (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested updates from People to People 

message: (New intro paragraph) People to People Ambassador Programs offers four types of ambassador travel, including international student ambassador travel, domestic leadership ambassador summits and forums, international collegiate ambassador travel, and international citizen ambassador travel for industry professionals. 
... in groups of between thirty and forty students (new text) with a target student teacher ration of 10-to-1.  Trips are usually comprised of students from a given city or county, not through a specific school. Tuition – the fees charged for a trip – range from $4,500 for trips to Canada to more than $7,999 for trips to Australia and the South Pacific; the fee for the Antarctica trip is not listed. 
During the trips, students attend various educational activities including the chance to meet local leaders and dignitaries; trips also feature outdoor activities such as hiking, snorkeling, zip-lining or repelling.  Longer itineraries include a 2- to 3-day home stay with a local family. 
Each student ambassador travel program includes a service component in which ambassadors participate in hands-on community service projects.  Participants can also earn high school or college credit for classes through the Washington School of World Studies (operated by People to People), as well as through Eastern Washington University. 
People to People Ambassador Programs also offers domestic student trips for grade school, middle school and high school students through Leadership Ambassador Programs.  These programs are focused on leadership development, community involvement, civics education and college preparation. Leadership Ambassador Programs include student trips to various U.S. destinations, including Washington D.C., New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles, to hear from speakers and industry experts, and exchange ideas with their peers from around the world. On these four- to ten-day programs, delegates engage in leadership curriculum, team-building and personal development exercises. 
Any student (5th grade or older) can apply to travel on a program, but some parents have complained that the program's marketing makes it appear that their child was exclusively selected or nominated to participate.[10] The operator makes extensive use of direct mail and digital “invitations” to recruit travelers.  All students must complete an application and an interview process before they can go on a trip to ensure that they possess the maturity and social skills needed for extended travel. 
Lindseyp2p (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Programs Section Updates

message: I am a mother of two children who participated in the People to People Ambassador Trips:  one went to Australia and New Zealand and the other did a tour of Northern Europe and the British Isles.  Both children were happy and glad to participate and learned a lot.  We are not wealthy and had to scrape the money together for them to go, but it was well worth it because my children had experiences that no other travel group could provide.  We had a positive experience with this company.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.60.57.66 (talk) 17:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother of Two former students who went on the trips 

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