Talk:Barbara Plett Usher

message: :This article is self-evidently nothing other than pure coatracking of the most blatant kind. For experienced Wikipedia contributors to argue otherwise is frankly ridiculous, and insults the intelligence of our readers. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the discussion above was almost entirely about "UNDUE" and "WP:NPOV", and not about "Coatrack" (only mentioned fleetingly in passing).  Maybe you should develop your reading comprehension skills further before loosely tossing around indiscriminate allegations in random directions... AnonMoos (talk) 00:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "not about coatrack" is based on an assumption: that AndyTheGrump was dittoing what others had said. Had you the opportunity to see his work elsewhere, I think you would understand what you already should have assumed (WP:AGF); that is not his operating standard. I am in agreement with the substance of his 'allegations'. A comparison of this talk page to the article is evidence that some WP editors would rather fight than work, and diversion of attention from content to balance on this article has has led to an AFD that should never have happened. Anarchangel (talk) 01:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but it's extremely difficult to place any other construction on AndyTheGrump's remarks besides being an insinuation that CanadianMonkey and myself are assholes who are not worthy to edit Wikipedia -- based on AndyTheGrump's personal misconceptions and misunderstandings of the previous discussions above.  His "intervention" notably failed to clarify any issues or lead to any constructive discussions about improving the article.  Wonder why that is??  AnonMoos (talk) 08:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

text:  I am going to go ahead and AfD this.  It's not clear to me that she meets the general notability standard, and I cannot easily find evidence that makes it look like she does.  My understanding is that in general wikipedia's policy is that individuals who are noted only for specific controversies should not have independent articles about themselves. It's also policy (as discussed in coatrack) that articles should not exist primarily to disparage their subjects (which I find especially relevant since this is a BLP.) Under the circumstances I'm pretty sure that if the controversy is worth discussing somewhere it belongs on Criticism of the BBC or a similar page instead of a stand-alone bio. Kgorman-ucb (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It already is on "Criticism of the BBC" (though much more briefly). AnonMoos (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 2011

message: The BBC always refers to the subject as Barbara Plett Usher, why doesn't Wikipedia? 86.144.179.132 (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usher 

message: The description of "Nobel laureate, embezzler and terrorist" is hardly NPOV. Many political leaders have been guilty of corruption, but it's not their defining characteristic, and the question of who is and isn't a terrorist is well discussed. I don't know enough about this subject to make a better edit, but I hope someone will. Julian (talk) 07:37, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of Yasser Arafat 

message: Barbara Plett Usher refers to herself as thus at the end of all her BBC reports.  I can find no evidence of her using the name 'Barbara Plett' herself - only Wikipedia seem to refer to her thus.  I suggest we make this change, as it seems hardly controversial to refer to a living person by their preferred, correct name.   If there's no objections to this, I'll make the change in the next week. Fortnum (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fortnum, it seems "next week" has passed us by, somewhat? But I wholly agree. She is called Barbara Plett Usher by her employer the BBC. See also, for example, her Facebook page here. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  done now, plus a page move.  Slightly more than a week, but less than previously.  Thanks again for reminding me of this.  Fortnum (talk) 16:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Usher, again