Talk:Junker (Prussia)

message: Should the phrase ex post be ex post facto? — dino
"ex post", I should think as in, "with hindsight" 
Max
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*"their peasants worked for starvation wages, with nearly no rights."
*"Regarded as reactionary"
*"they were ferociously anti- liberal"
These statements are highly POV and quite unfair.
*"who awarded the chancellorship to Adolf Hitler in 1933"
It should be noted that most Junkers, including president Hindenburg, were anti-nazis, and had little sympathy with Hitler and his South German/Austrian gang. Nico 20:47, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: General comments

message: The word 'von' is never capitalized in German names. Moreover, it's not an "appellation". It's simply the German equivalent of French "de". In linguistic terms, it belongs to the word after it, eg Otto von Bismarck literally means 'Otto from Bismarck'. It also quite meaningless to say someone was a 'von': it's like saying De Gaulle was a 'de'.
:I am not sure if this is true.
:In the Dutch language it works like this:
::Otto van Bismarck    [normal]
::Bismarck, van, Otto  [as in phonebook]
::Dr. Van Bismarck     [when omitting first name]
:So, only in the last example , 'Van' or 'Von' is capitalized.
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:And I assume it works the same way in German.
:--Tristan Laurillard 17:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, except it's "von Bismarck," not "van Bismarck."--Mcattell 19:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Von'

message: "From Brandenburg eastward, however, — and especially in the Pruserania, — practically all of the land was long ago gathered into great estates"
Is "Pruserania" some hodge-podge of Prussia and Pomerania? Olessi 17:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pruserania? 

message: Removed Military History Tag as article is not within project's scope.  --dashiellx (talk) 10:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: Moving this to Talk for now: "- lands which are often also called "Eastelbia" (Ostelbien in German - the land east of river Elbe)." -- Only 75 Google hits for "Eastelbia [minus]Wikipedia"; thus not "often called" this. "Ostelbien" may be a common expression in German, but that is a different discussion. -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 12:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not "often" called "Eastelbia"

message: Why are von Lossow and von Kahr being mentioned. They came from the (Kingdom of) Bavaria.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.176.206.15 (talk) 18:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Junker?

message: Back to the drawing board on this one.  
Major problems result from a lack of precision and focus in much of the material.  The last paragraph, for example, comes out of nowhere; it should either be scrapped, or reworked & absorbed earlier in the article.  There is too much the author assumes we already know, or will infer, resulting in much confusion and misinterpretation.Drichter53 (talk) 21:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: "However, Hitler mostly ignored the Junkers as a whole during his time in power, taking no action against them and no action in their favour."
This statement does not make sense to me. Hitler had extensive dealings with many Junkers, most notably Field Marshall Hindenburg and his son, Oskar just to name two. Oskar directly benefited from a January 1933 meeting with Hitler (who is widely believed to have blackmailed him with divulging his family's estate tax evasion problems and the Hindenburg's involvement in the Osthilfe scandal.) Hitler came to power through manipulating an old Junkers. Aside from that, I guess, he mostly ignored them. Nickrz (talk) 21:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler ignored the Junkers? 

message: "However, Hitler mostly ignored the Junkers as a whole during his time in power, taking no action against them and no action in their favour."
This statement does not make sense to me. 
(lengthier prior statement retracted)Nickrz (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler ignored the Junkers? 

message: Can someone tell me what this means??? The expression descending from the disputes over the domestic policies of the German Empire was perpetuated as a general denotation by sociologists like Max Weber and even adopted by members of the landed class themselves. 
It seems like gibberish.Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "The expression descending from the disputes ... was perpetuated as a general denotation..."

message: The location of Ogrodzieniec is cited in the caption. If you go to the contemporary site you see that this area is in the historic area of East Prussia. Actual West Prussia is the Posen territory to the west. I have changed West Prussia to East Prussia in the caption.Dogru144 (talk) 20:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that West Prussia is west of East Prussia, but Posen Province was south and west of West Prussia. RogerLustig (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

text: The above town is in the modern Polish voivodeship of Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, whose borders are contiguous with historic East Prussia.Dogru144 (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Geographic error in picture caption

message: Are we going to list all the world's equivalents?
Doesn't relate to Junkers anymore then say the Spanish or Polish equivalents.
"valet de chambre" is meaningless to English-speaking readers.
French love spiking English-language wikis and needlessly throw in some kind of concocted French angle.
"The term was also used in several countries in the title Kammerjunker, the German and Scandinavian (Danish, Norwegian and Swedish) equivalent of the French valet de chambre"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.32.34 (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "equivalent of the French valet de chambre"  -  if true, so what? 

message: Instead of comradeship better use cooperatives. Hence the LPG becomes a co-op. http://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/cooperative  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.47.214.68 (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: I think there is a common mistake here between this kind of old noble families with the rest of the german nobility - ie not from the historical lands of the Kingdom of Prussia).
It's not because they served in the army (WW1 and WW2) that people with the von, zu and or zum were Junkers. Most of the Junkers were lutherian and had their historical lands east of the Elbe river. Here is a few examples of mistaken people seen as Junker from this list :
* The Stauffenberg family came from Swabia, it's between Bavaria and France, that's a hardly Junker land.
* Franz Ritter von Hipper (admiral from WW1) was born Franz Hipper in the south of Munich, his father was a shop-keeper, he was a catholic, and was awarded a personal title of nobility by the kingdom of Bavaria, doesn't sound very Junker to me.
* Robert Ritter von Greim (last commander in chief of the Luftwaffe) was born Robert Greim in the north of Bavaria, his father was a police captain, was a catholic and was also awarded a personal title of nobility by the kingdom of Bavaria, bad choice again here.
* Baldur von Schirach (first youth leader of the NSDAP, convicted of crimes against humanity in the Nuremberg trials), was from a Sorbian (West Slavic, I know that's pretty ironic for a nazi) family raised to hereditary nobility in Austria in the 18th century, again that's not a Junker.
* Franz von Papen, Erbsälzer zu Werl und Neuwerk was from a westphalian catholic family, that's not east of the Elbe.
* Erich von Drygalski as his name indicates, was from an old Polish family, doubtful others Junkers saw him as one of them.
* Wessel and Bernd Freiherr Freytag von Loringhoven were from a Baltic-German family established in Courland (today Latvia) their lands were outside of the kingdom of Prussia, they were not Junkers.
* Johann von Goethe was from a family from Frankfurt am Main and made a noble in the Duchy of Saxe-Weimar in 1782, that's not even part of Prussia.
* Hans von Seeckt was from a Pomeranian family which had lost all their lands.
* August von Mackensen (colorful field-marshal of WW1 always with his Hussar of Death uniform) was born Mackensen and made a noble only in 1899.
2A01:CB15:806A:1E00:C051:B95D:B0E9:4CF5 (talk) 18:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the list of Notable Junkers