Talk:List of slang names for poker hands

message: Anyone have a credible citation on the etymology of "duck" for deuce?  I should think that if it were a reference to shape, it would be "swan", and that a simple corruption of "deuce" is more likely.  --LDC 18:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of "Duck" 

message: Just as the Q3 is listed as a "flaming gay waiter"; the J3 is called the "Flaming Waiter" (not gay).  J is a waiter, the 3 makes it flaming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.46.47 (talk • contribs) 15:21, June 28, 2007
:Please do not add vanity nonsense to the page.  There is not even one incidence of your J3 assertion online. 2005 00:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Vanity nonsense?"  Can you please explain what that means?  ... As for J3 being called a Gay Waiter, it's been published, but I can't cite the referrence; the logic follows:  J is a waiter, the 3 makes it flaming.  Now, the article states a Q3 as a Flaming Gay waiter, or a Posh Gay Waiter: The Q, of course is a Gay Waiter, and the 3 makes it flaming (or posh). Transcend103 15:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  By "vanity", I think what 2005 means is that it seems like this is a term that's being made up on the spot (WP:NFT), since we can't find sources for it. Please be aware that per Wikipedia's policy of verifiability, we can't include information in Wikipedia unless it's linked to a source.  I'm willing to assume good faith on your part, but what we should do is remove the information for now, and then when you can find the reference, it can be re-added. You may also wish to read WP:NOR. --Elonka 17:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no idea where the "flaming" comes from, but a Gay Waiter is Q3 and not anything else - directly from queen -tray. "Queen" being the stereotype effeminate homosexual, a waiter carries a tray, which is homophonic with trey, tres and très - which are all "three".--Alf melmac 19:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Flaming is slang for gay. Λυδαcιτγ 20:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed it is, though it is not "the 3 makes it flaming" as the ip that first posted suggests and I doubt the veracity that "Flaming Gay Waiter" is current termininology (see Wikipedia:Complete bollocks ;)), certainly not on any of the (televised) poker shows I watch, nor used by anyone I play THE with.--Alf melmac 18:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flaming Waiter 

message: Q-J = Oedipus Rex (incestuous mother and son) Hand Names
Transcend103 15:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that we need more than just one web site listing it as a common term.  Otherwise this article would be nothing but cutesy names made up by some random blogger or home game host.  I've never heard it and have played holdem all over the place. SmartGuy 19:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: OK I just did a google search and it comes up quite a bit, so maybe it does merit inclusion. SmartGuy 19:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should finally afd this article, as Wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide.  There are literally hundreds, thousands even, of terms that could be included in a slang guide.  We only need an article that is a glossary of terms used in articles, so the poker terms one should be pared down to that and this one put to a merciful death asap. 2005 20:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am in agreement with 2005 that Wikipedia is not here to provide a comprehensive list of every slang term that's in use on the web.  I recommend that we only use terms that are genuinely notable and verifiable, meaning that they've shown up in multiple books or articles. As for other names, we can provide a link or two to websites that *do* seem to want to list every term in existence, and that should be plenty. We may also want to think about moving this information out to wikibooks or wikia, which have lower standards for inclusion. --Elonka 20:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should afd this article just yet.  I will agree, however, that the repeated additions/reversions of vanity nicknames are a colossal waste of time and cyberspace. SmartGuy 20:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: What if the article changed directions to be more historical?  I came from Dead Man's Hand and I thought there were a lot more like that (Old West or older and emphasis on unique full hands) whereas this seems to be about more modern terms, especially for Texas Hold 'Em rather than more traditional games. - Callowschoolboy 14:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oedipus Rex 

message: What is so bizarre about About.com and PokerWords.com? Λυδαcιτγ 06:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You cited multiple individual words in the same line with the same citation. A single reference is preferable over 25 or more citations of invidivual words.  Citations are for statements/facts, not something for multiple individual words in an article.  Of course it just points out why this thing should not exist in the first place. I left the About link as a reference.  The other one was just an anoymous website and there is no reason to cite that versus any of a thousand other websites offering the same lists. 2005 06:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "bizarre citations" 

message: I would think this article's edit history makes a pretty strong case for maintaining the protected status.  —Kymacpherson 17:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I think it expires in the next day or two.  I'll request extended protection at that point. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 17:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  keep this article protected