Portal talk:Current events/Archive 2

message: This redesign has now replaced the main portal page, due to the overwhelming support on the redesign talk page. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 02:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redesign Replacement 

message: This straw polls were copied from Portal talk:Current events/Redesign: -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: It would be hard to maintain such a system (especially sicne this resembles double book-keeping). -- Evanx(tag?) 13:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The ISO format is YYYY-MM-DD. Your alternatives are no ISO formats. --Donar Reiskoffer 13:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, although I still think it can cause confusion about whether it is YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-DD-MM (even if the first is correct, that does not proclude confusion). Batmanand | Talk 13:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: My mistake.  What I am really voting for to have the portal contents honor readers' date preferences one way or another.   As a contributor of events I can deal with any naming scheme for the portal subpages.  Kayaker 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw Polls

message: ;Daily Archives
This is the method displayed on this purpose whereby only a certain number of days (in this case, seven) are displayed on the main portal page and rest are on their respective monthly pages.
# -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 01:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Time of Archival

message: ;Article Space
As currently: June 2006, May 2006, etc.
#Batmanand | Talk 09:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: It would be hard to maintain such a system (especially sicne this resembles double book-keeping). -- Evanx(tag?) 13:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of Archival

message: What should be the date format of the sub-pages: US-format, ISO-format or European format? 
ISO: Portal:Current events/2006-07-01
The ISO format has the advantage of automatically chronologic sorting.
# Seems the most neutral. --Donar Reiskoffer 10:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The ISO format is YYYY-MM-DD. Your alternatives are no ISO formats. --Donar Reiskoffer 13:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, although I still think it can cause confusion about whether it is YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-DD-MM (even if the first is correct, that does not proclude confusion). Batmanand | Talk 13:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: My mistake.  What I am really voting for to have the portal contents honor readers' date preferences one way or another.   As a contributor of events I can deal with any naming scheme for the portal subpages.  Kayaker 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date format of name subpages

message: I put something up about the Vanuatu earthquake. The event happend on August 8th in the region, but it was still August 7th in parts of the world. Should it be an August 7th or August 8th headline?
Thanks,
KevinJ
Thanks for the edit Ezeu. My apologies for making this post towards the top.
I will go to the bottom from now on!
KevinJ 13:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanuatu Earthquake

message: The sectional [edit]s only turn up blank pages now! Anyone else getting this? 68.39.174.238 02:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No I don't get that. Which link is a problem? -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 02:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey! 

message: When I performed the move, I moved the pages to the ISO Variant format (e.g. /2006 July 12). However, this is still up for grabs. Continue to voice your opinion in the straw poll above. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 02:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before I get a why did you do that???, let me explain that the reason for doing it was that it took into account the comments so far. Ordering, neutrality (neither European nor American), clarity (instead of just all numbers), and consistency with XfD were all mentioned; all those are satisfied in this format. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format of name subpages 

message: Is there anyone from the article space archival camp that would be willing to create a set of instructions on how to do the archivals? -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a starting point, I created a new section on the topic... Kayaker 04:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving the Events 

message: :from Portal_talk:Current_events/Redesign#Archivals
Big question: should archivals stay on the article namespace (i.e. June 2006, May 2006, etc.) or should we keep all future monthly archivals in the portal namespace (i.e. Portal:Current events/July 2006, Portal:Current events/August 2006, etc.)? Regarding the issue, I stated (in the Documentation above):
:Well, if we're still going to maintain the monthly archives in the article space, we'd have a huge problem because obviously we cannot have all this formatting in the article space. However, if we were to maintain the monthly archives on the Portal and just redirect the future monthly articles to their respective years, this would not be a problem. In my personal opinion, I like this idea because right now those month articles don't really say anything about the months (like articles). Instead, they are just the places we dump the old current events pages (like an archive, which is not what the article space should be used for).
However, Kayaker on the portal talk page stated:
:Your idea about putting monthly archives like June 2006 under Portal:Current events (i.e. Portal:Current events/June 2006) is an interesting one that didn't come up earlier.   envisioned a yearly portal e.g. Portal:2006 in a comment posted at Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals#Portal:Current events.  It was and I think still is my thought that we need articles for each month and year in the article namespace for both a theoretical and a practical reason.  The theory would be that a given month like May 2005 or year (e.g. 1066) is as much of an encyclopedia subject as anything else in article namespace.  The practical reason for leaving them in article namespace is that there are lots and lots of links in article namespace to those months and years, so you'd have a greater and greater dependency on redirects if the current event archives are kept under Portal:Current events.  Kayaker 05:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also as a third option: I have nothing against keeping the years. 2006 looks like an article; June 2006 looks like an archive. Of course, we can always have both. For instance, we could make the June 2006 article more brief and more article-like like 2006 (see July 2006) and then link to the portal and its monthly archives. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 23:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A variation on your third option is to add a highlights section to the archive, explicitly sourced from the list of archived events but written as a narrative.  Unlike a lot of new articles, an encyclopedic article about a month comes built in with reputable sources via the archive. If the mundane part of the current event archival process were to be improved that would free time that at least in theory could be spent on collaborating on a highlights section.--Kayaker 00:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which namespace 

message: With the new regime, if you use the calendar in the info box you can click the current month name and go to that month (ok), you can click "<<" and go to the previous month ok, but in the previous month when you click ">>" to come back, you go to a different page which is not ok. Any fixes should take into condsideration all the other monthly events pages which use the same calendar templates. Also, the "list of events by month" at the bottom of the pages doesn't appear to be the same on all the monthly pages. cleanup needed. -- SGBailey 16:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken links

message: Shouldn't the pages about Current events for specific countries/areas be in the portal namespace as well? In my opinion, it should be for example, Portal:Current events/United States. What do people think? Should the pages be moved? Newnam(talk) 05:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. However, I think we should make sure all the relevant portals are notified of the switch. I mentioned the change to some of them several days ago and suggested they make the switch. Until now, I don't think any portal has acted upon that request. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 19:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal for  all CE pages 

message: Item number one: LDBot, operated by Lightdarkness, will now be auto-creating the date subpages around 400 UTC. Therefore, I have updated the directions in the comments of the main portal page to reflect that. 
Item number two: When adding a date to the main portal page, please remove the oldest date from the main page, update the calendar in the sidebar (it's located at Portal:Current events/Calendar), and add the newest date to the current monthly page (currently Portal:Current events/July 2006). Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 19:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot Work, Reminder 

message: So what's the verdict on the archiving? Right now, I'm outnumbered 2-1 on the archival process. I'm, of course, okay with that, although I think it would be best if one of those two editors were to take care of the article-space archival plan, at least for July 2006 so I and others can see how it would work. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 14:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would do it but my wikipedia time is limited for a while (which was one reason for my not proposing a bigger redesign when I championed and implemented the move into the portal namespace).  Perhaps a volunteer from Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events?  I know there's only two of you listed but perhaps there are others who are active but not in the participant's list.  If not, feel free to implement archival however you see fit, factoring in as best you can any obligations you think are left over from getting the redesign accepted by the community. Kayaker 02:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Archives... 

message: I vote to remove the "Highlights" section. --user:mnw2000 03:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlights 

message: It seems to me that one cannot access the first line of the news for July 23rd (re. Nationa (US)l gas price), in order to edit it. 
Am I right?     If so, what can be done about this?Duncan.france 01:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it probably around the time you were attempting to edit the item. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 01:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: I have been trying for several hours to created 25 July 2006 as a new date. For same reason, it comes up as a red link. We need to have a system to ensure that we can create a new date as soon as a newsworthy event occurs somewhere in the world. There are parts of Asia and Oceania that are well ahead of UTC and we need to have a system that caters to timezones throughout the world. Capitalistroadster 07:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just copied the previous day's contents into it, deleted the news events for that day, and changed the date in one place. I gather a bot usually does this but is currently on vacation. Some bots have all the fun!.-gadfium 09:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Lightdarkness is on vacation. LDBot usually creates the next day's page at around 0400 UTC (before any place in the world reaches that date). I removed the instructions on how to add the new date because the bot for the most part will take care of it. (for the record, it requires inserting something like  into the new page). I'll add the next couple of days right now. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 12:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the pages for July are added; I'm not sure when LDBot will be returning. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 12:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation of new date for 25 July 2006

message: For the last 6 days or so Floyd Landis' image has been featured as the picture of current events.  There are more important things going on in the world than the Tour de France. Therefore I favor a new image - maybe this time not a sports image. --Abdull 10:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may want to post a comment here. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please remove Floyd Landis 

message: I added a table at the top with a few related pages, including the archives from the old Talk:Current events. I also created some instructions for archiving the portal (it's in the table at the top of this page). Since no one offered to write the instructions, I decided to do it (no, I'm not bitter; I'm just saying that in case someone asked why I didn't let someone else do it). Go ahead and look over the instructions and revise it, etc, etc. Add to it, etc, etc. I didn't really bring this up beforehand because a) I actually did mention the instructions before and b) they should come as no surprise as the redesign from earlier this month included many of the features described in the instructions and it was quite obvious that this was the way things have been working. But nevertheless, feel free to change it, especially those who want to archive in the article space. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 15:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: What should be done about Portal:Current events/Events by month? Right now, I made the links for July 2006 - December 2006 go to current event subpages (many of which don't exist). Is that okay? Or should they go to the mainspace articles (September 2006, October 2006, etc)? -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 00:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Current events/Events by month]] 

message: An increasing number of entries here are just the first sentence or paragraph copied from the news source.  This is not ok and needs stamping on.   Whilst I can spot a few, we need to get a culture here which will notice these and get rid of them... any ideas?  As an example, the first two Israel entries under Portal:Current_events/2006_August_2 are just copied from the BBC.  Morwen - Talk 13:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio problems 

message: In particular this edit summary, IP addresses seem to be violating WP:NPOV. Chacor 15:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP [[WP:NPOV|POV]] problems with Israeli conflict 

message: This should be updated, I've posted a link to a BBC report on the article's talk page, but I know too little about the conflict to adequately integrate the information into the article. Help? —Nightstallion (?) 09:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ituri Conflict]] 

message: This edit is quite obviously uncivil, and there is no point to it. Chacor 13:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it uncivil? I was not aware that "effing" was considered uncivil by any standards. I just meant that if it's important enough to constitute between a third and half of the links about current events, it might just as well get its own section, and I see no good reason against it, and many in favour... —Nightstallion (?) 16:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about including the storms as sub-points of the main season points? Chacor 16:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also a good idea, but I still think the sheer amount of natural disaster articles of concern warrants them having their own section, doesn't it? —Nightstallion (?) 17:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it isn't really article links, they're only sectional links, as most ongoing storms normally don't get articles. Chacor 17:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think it's uncivil either. It's like saying fricking; we know what word is being alluded to, but it's not actually said out of courtesy. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 16:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Chacor 16:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: With 225 people dying, that most certainly qualifies as a disaster. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you get what I'm trying to say (I hope), heatwaves are not necessarily a "natural disaster", per se, as compared to a tsunami. Chacor 17:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mh. I see what you mean, but it's still some sort of natural disaster, isn't it? I wouldn't be opposed to a more descriptive name, however. —Nightstallion (?) 05:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Natural hazards is mentioned prominently in Natural disaster, though that may be erring too much on the other side. Natural crises? Natural perils? I know I have that http://www.thesaurus.com around here somewhere. :) (There's the legal term Acts of God, but I know there'll be POV objections to the God part. Ooh, events outside of human control. TransUtopian 07:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natural disasters? 

message: Now, I've only seen what's gone by in past days, but it seems that the parties responsible for the Achilioland conflict and Ituri conflict have signed/agreed to peace terms. Should those two entries then be moved to "Recent" as opposed to "Ongoing" ? Is there a set standard for when to do this? 68.39.174.238 18:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Acholiland only has a ceasefire, I'm currently trying to find someone knowledgeable who will edit the Ituri Conflict article to reflect the latest agreement -- it may well be that the Ituri Conflict is now officially over, but I'm not quite sure. —Nightstallion (?) 05:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts... 

message: Sources: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case
This appears to merit placing on the "In the news" section on the Main Page. --24.255.155.100 22:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Vint 02:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[JonBenet Ramsey]] murder suspect arrested - breaking news 

message: I have been maintining the portal and updating it on a constant basis. However, its a hard task and all I'm doing is copying Current Events that concern the middle east from this portal. Is anyone interested in helping? --Eshcorp 09:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintaining the "Current events in the middle east" portal 

message: An attempt is being made to move the old Current events in Southeast Asia page to Portal:Southeast Asia/Current events, and assistance is needed to finesse some of the coding on the page. Instruction on the maintenance of a portal is also needed. How are the past months archived? Is is possible for the SE Asia current events portral to have its own "highlight"? I have tried experimenting with portal coding in the past and the results were disastrous. Help is needed, please. -Wisekwai 12:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on this portal, it appears that monthly pages are created in the format similar to Portal:Current events/August 2006, where the links for each day are listed in chronological order. I will be creating Portal:Southeast Asia/August 2006 soon for this purpose, such that Portal:Southeast Asia/Current events need no longer list all dates of the month as per the format in this portal. Meanwhile, regional highlights are possible, given the ones already existing in the Oceanian and American portals. The only reason why the global one appears is cause I copied it from here! :D I asked for help in changing it for the SEA region in Portal talk:Southeast Asia/Current events, so will greatly appreciate any help in this regard. ;) --Huaiwei 12:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to help out where needed. -- tariqabjotu 14:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I cracked my head to produce Portal:Southeast Asia/MonthHeader just so that we can have a highlights section which is easier to edit for folks who hate codes (including myself). I hope there are no coding errors? Anyway, any reason why the world section dosent use something similar?--Huaiwei 14:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal:Southeast Asia/Current events 

message: Hello,
reading current events on Wikipedia doesn't give me the impression that the sister project WikiNews is highly regarded. On the main page the stories aren't linked to wikinews, and even here there are links to BBC etc. but not to the related stories on WikiNews.
Is there a reason for this? I think WikiNews should be a priviliged partner of Wikipedia, and links to full stories should be preferentially to WikiNews. Maybe that's provided they are good quality, but even then, this will allow more people to edit over there.
--Steven Fruitsmaak | Talk 15:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. It would be neat to try to see if the devs could hack some sort of automated process together that would allow more our Current Events page to be more interwoven with the Wikinews latest articles list. After all, why reinvent the wheel when their entire project is about identifying the most important happenings and writing about them? — GT 07:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem I've always had with wikinews is that focusses on "new news", if you pardon the pun. That is, an article on an election that took place two weeks ago doesn't appear to be welcome on wikinews, even if no article was done two weeks ago when it was current. That said, I think the above idea would be good. AndrewRT - Talk 15:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinews 

message: Is "Highlights" really the right word to describe major events of the day, when those events could be horrendous? For example, today's first 'Highlight' reads: "Comair Flight 191, a Canadair CRJ-100 aircraft, crashes upon take-off from Lexington, Kentucky's Blue Grass Airport killing 49 of 50 passengers and crew on board." --Mister Six 21:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point :-s .--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: We could simply go for In the News, like on the Main Page. -- tariqabjotu 01:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: "Headlines" maybe? doktorb wordsdeeds 13:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Headlines sounds good to me.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put the question on the talk pages of the Highlights portal page, so if someone wants to talk there...? I think "Highlights" is faily distastful in some cases, so Headlines would moe more suitable. doktorb wordsdeeds 15:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although this topic has seemed to die down due to apathy, for further reference you can go to Template talk:In the news for a July 2006 discussion along these same lines and to Portal talk:Current events/Highlights for the (as of now, unused) thread about the portal's wrapper around . 69.3.70.50 22:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlights 

message: Currently I see:
Regional - World • Africa | China | India | Middle East | Oceania | Southeast Asia | United States
But no "Europe" or similar. Has this been moved/deleted, or can it really be that Europe has no Regional Portal of its own designated??? - 82.153.129.223 05:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While there is a Portal:Europe, it doesn't appear to have a news section. I agree that it would be desirable to have one. There are other areas of the world missing as well; Portal:Latin America does have a news section, which is archived to Portal:Latin_America/In_the_news/2006. This could be converted to the same format as the other regional/national news portal pages, and would take little extra work to maintain once set up. Portal:Canada has no news section. Portal:Russia has a news section but it has not been updated for many months. There are parts of Asia not covered by existing portal news pages. I suspect that if anyone wanted to help out with a news section for any of these areas, they'd be most welcome.-gadfium 08:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional - Europe? 

message: Isn't this article just an opinion? 
A $450 million slush fund for the Republican Bush White House will be created by the prospective deal to resolve the United States-Canada softwood lumber dispute. (The Tyee)
Why is it listed as a fact? user:mnw2000 12:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that two or three times. It's not a news story, it's an analysis of an ongoing deal. Ya ya ya ya ya ya 20:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion vs. Fact 

message: I recently viwed this article to find this "Steve Irwin, "The Crocodile Hunter", is assassinated by terrorist stingrays, believed to have ties to al Qaeda, near Australia's Great Barrier Reef." which i find very hard to believe.
:It's called vandalism, and has now been reverted. It is a problem for Wikipedia, but we like to think we are on top of it. Batmanand | Talk 15:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve irwins connection to terrorism 

message: I see a lot of problems with how Current events are run here. There're countless wars and other armed conflicts going on around the globe, people starving, dying, being torn from their farms, houses, endless state affairs to document. But instead of mentioning any of these, Wikipedia's Current events chooses to highlight the death of Steve Irwin, and the retirement of a sports star. Whenever I've had the motivation to actually try getting something up on the front page, I'm simply shot down by some random admin, because I don't have the same status. Instead of hundreds of folks being illegally evicted from the South Central Farm, or ongoing death in Palestine and Lebanon, we get sports scores. What the hell?  Canæn  02:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The other side of that coin, Canaen, are the admins who "shoot down" user requests to put the lastest rugby/football/basketball/etc., championship on the Main Page under In the News. And to justify their refusal, they used language nearly identical to yours.
-Fsotrain09 03:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Priorities? 

message: Yesterday, twice, someone removed a news story about White House criticism of U.S. Democratic Party policy, merely on the grounds that Drudge is not a good source. Are we really saying that Matt Drudge would invent a letter from Bolten? What if he's the only source? --Uncle Ed 11:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of White House statement

message: :Japan's Princess Kiko gives birth to a son by caesarean section. The as-yet unnamed boy is the first male heir born into the Japanese Imperial Family for more than 40 years, and will ultimately become Emperor if the current succession laws are unchanged. The child's father, Prince Akishino is the second son of Emperor Akihito.
Is there a better way to word this? While I understand what's it's trying to say, currently, it seems to suggest that this heir becoming emperor is a forgone conclusion without a law change. This is of course incorrect, since he could die before then or perhaps Japan could lose their monarchy or whatever (obviously a law change will be necessary and technically the removal of the monarchy means there would be a change in the succession law but I hope people can understand the point I'm making). Various other scenarios such as the heir turning out to be such an idiot and/or prick that the Japanese people don't wat him and come up with some way to ensure he doesn't become emperor (which could be a change in succession law, a removal of the monarchy or something else). Nil Einne 13:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japan - better wording?

message: "The Singaporean economy tops a list of 175 economies as the most business-friendly economy in the world in a survey conducted by the World Bank's International Finance Corporation (CNA). "
I checked the source, http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/228876/1/.html, let me just post what the title of the source was and you can come to your own conclusions whether it backs up this news tidbit:
Design teams chosen for two Gardens by the Bay
The source has nothing to do with it as far as I've read.  Fephisto 14:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a new, sneaky type of vandalism. The vandal adds an authentic story from an authentic source but then posts a source that has nothing to do with the actual story. I removed the story but it was re-added by the vandal. The link is still incorrect. Ya ya ya ya ya ya 21:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How an obvious case of posting a wrong link has suddenly been termed as a "new sneaky type of vandalism" is beyond me. I have corrected the link accordingly to , and if that is too POVed in your view, I hope  would perhaps demonstrate to you what this vandal based his post on. The last time I checked, WP:FAITH is still official wikipolicy.--Huaiwei 13:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singaporean Economy