Talk:Marit Bjørgen

message: Some people (probably related to Bjoergen) are trying to censor this article from this issue. Therefor I also post this info in here if they remove it again: "== Asthma medications ==
"In the 2009/2010 season World Anti Doping Agency allowed Marit to use a stronger asthma medication (salbutamol) which is forbidden on the WADA doping List. According to the Norwegian coach Egil Kristiansen her use of salbutamol was the main reason why she had improved so much for the season 2009/2010.http://figureskate2008hb.svt.se/2.21247/1.1819353/bjorgen_far_dispens_till_dopning?lid=puff_1819357&lpos=rubrikhttp://www.vg.no/iphone/article.php?artid=580954 Bjørgen continued to use the medication over the olympics 2010 and was strongly criticized by Justyna Kowalczyk who accused her for doping.http://sports.rightpundits.com/?p=4024http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/vancouver-2010-news-bjrgen-weathers-doping-allegations/ Bjørgen claims that she wouldn't have any advantage of the medicine unless she had asthma but studies show that also a person without asthma has advantage of supra-therapeutic doses of the medicine.http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/89/2/430#SEC2http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/salbutamol.htmlhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15459835 In the new prohibited-list for 2010: "Salbutamol – a substance considered as specified and therefore more likely to result in a sanction of a warning to a two-year ban in case of anti-doping rule violations – will be permitted under 1,000 nanograms per millilitre.".http://www.wada-ama.org/en/News-Center/Articles/WADA-Approves-2010-Prohibited-List/"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregoryLund (talk • contribs) 08:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship from Bjoergen staff? 

message: It was a good fight between Marit Bjørgen and Anna Olsson today in the Olympics. Mats33 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Observing the Polish press and forum comments as well as her competitor's Justyna Kowalczyk's media-carried comments during the Vancouver Olympic Games 2010, I am aware of the issue being raised of her being an asthmatic who (perhaps unfairly) receives powerful medication which is otherwise strictly disallowed  and helps with breathing.  At least her asthma should be mentioned. What do you think? --Mareklug talk 07:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should be mentioned. It is information about her and there is no reason for not mention it. /Ghilodd (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need a Controversies section? 

message: The asthma medication Salbutamol is only prohibited in the 2009 list, not in the 2010 list. The status of Salbutamol changed, beginning with 1st January 2010, and does no longer require special permission to use . The wiki article says Salbutamol is prohibited, but only cites the 2009 list as reference. I changed it, but I see it was changed back, with no explanation of why, and still only the outdated 2009 list as source. Someone must explain why this was changed back, because as far as I can see the current info on the wiki page is incorrect. PrBalthazar (talk) 18:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  About asthma medications 

message: Both norwegian and finnish wiki lists her victories as 39 (dated accurate as November 28), so it's wrong to mentioning only Välbe has more wins. Probably she will be the sole second within this season, but isn't yet. 82.141.117.133 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup victories 

message: The section about asthma medications needs improvements. As it is written now, it consists of two parts. Both are discussing a medication that Bjørgen does not use.
The first part:
In the 2009/2010 season World Anti Doping Agency allowed Marit to use a stronger asthma medication (salbutamol) which is forbidden on the WADA doping List [1]. According to the Norwegian coach Egil Kristiansen her use of salbutamol was the main reason why she had improved so much for the season 2009/2010.[3][4] Bjørgen continued to use the medication over the olympics 2010 and was strongly criticized by Justyna Kowalczyk who accused her for doping.[5][6] Bjørgen claims that she would not have any advantage of the medicine unless she had asthma. In the new prohibited-list for 2010: "Salbutamol – a substance considered as specified and therefore more likely to result in a sanction of a warning to a two-year ban in case of anti-doping rule violations – will be permitted under 1,000 nanograms per millilitre..[7]"
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The article that this section refer to does not confirm that Bjørgen uses salbutamol. In fact, she has later stated that she uses formoterol (Symbicort). General information about salbutamol is not of interest in this article.
The second part:
Bjørgen claim is however completely contradicted by results of clinical studies of salbutamol[8] in which 8 test subjects were performing cycling to exhaustion after taking salbutamol and placebo repeatedly. Time to exhaustion has been consistently increased after salbutamol by as much as 30%. Only one out of 8 study participants did not show increased time to exhaustion compared to placebo. Nevertheless since 2011 WADA increases authorized usage of salbutamol up to 1600 nanograms per millilitre within 24h[9]
Again, she does not use salbutamol, this section is therefore irrelevant. In addition it is factually wrong. The study referred to in the section is a study where a much larger than normal dose is given to the test subjects. It is also administered orally, and not by inhalation. WADA only approves salbutamol when administered by inhalation. An oral administration is illegal. This study is therefore irrelevant when discussing WADA's approval of this medication.
This section shoud therefore be rewritten or removed.
Magnussh (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats ridicolous Ljg49. It is important information about Björgen and should remain./Ghilodd (talk) 09:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asthma Medications 

message: I can see a consistent effort, probably from Bjørgen's team, to censor the information about asthma medication. Guys if you believe it is ok that she takes those medications then why you want to hide this information from the public? 
I reintroduced the paragraph about the controversy in the first section since it is a brief summary of the person and controversy surrounding Marit Bjørgen is an essential part of the resume. I copied it here in case it is removed once more:
"At the same time, Marit Bjørgen stirs up controversy in the XC skiing world as her latest successes are often attributed to the performance-enhancing asthma medication that she is allowed to use but that is normally banned. http://www.vg.no/iphone/article.php?artid=580954"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.145.150 (talk) 10:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue is currently being discussed at the biographies of living persons noticeboard. I have blanked the section in question pending the resolution of that discussion. The English language sources did not support either the statement that she uses a particular drug, nor that her performance is enhanced. Jonathanwallace (talk) 22:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

text: If there are reliable sources, how about citing one here on the Talk page so we can discuss it? The section which I again reverted includes refs to a dead link, a blog and sources which confirm neither her use of Salbutamol or the supposed remark by the coach about increased performance. None of this is permissible under WP:BLP rules, under which we are very careful about sourcing assertions about living people.Jonathanwallace (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy about medication is needed 

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message: The article twice states that she is a “five-time Olympian”. Is this outdated, or doesn't the relay/team golds count? If they don't, is there a link to the definition of “Olympian”? . Update: Just realised this is the number of times she has participated, sorry. Bjornte (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Five-time Olympian” – shouldn't it be “eight-time”?