Talk:Twee pop

message: Might I suggest "twee" means tree, as in the term "tree hugger"?
:You may suggest but it would be wrong - "twee" is a corruption of "sweet" and has been around in British English far longer than the idea of tree hugging. -  iridescent (talk to me!) 09:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Term Source

message: Is this phrase ever used in the UK ? I can't find any references to it. (and boy have i looked)
indiepop, c86, even cutie have been used to describe this genre but tweepop if it is used then it must be very sporadic???
The article talks about simon reynolds MM articles but he doesn't use it or even refer to it. He refers to c86, cutie and indie pop(in the last chapter of) in his book; rip it up. (in 2004)
When RTShops (in the UK) did a compilation broadly covering off the history of this genre they called it Indie Pop. When Sanctuary/Bob Stanley (in the UK) did a compilation covering off these bands in the mid 80s they called it CD86 (a play on C86). If you search for this type of music (UK bands) on eBay then they tend to be labelled c86. Same goes for Last FM tags which has er, tags (god forbid) neo-C86.
I've heard bands be called twee but "tweepop". in the UK ? I'm struggling. Can someone find some, any sources for the use of this phrase/term in the UK. 
Jem 17:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know, but even then here in the US twee pop is commonly used to mean a particular type of indie pop, particularly in reference to Beat Happening and the K records aesthetic. 02:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yep and in the UK its sarah records blah blah. its just in the UK its more commonly known as c86 and indie pop. essentially our articles for twee pop, indie pop, c86 need merging or at least clarifying. i agree "here's a genre of music...sixties, low fi, diy, asexual, cute, anoraks, jangle, "pop" and that" in the UK known as c86 or indiepop ..in early 90s came to be known in US as twee pop "k records, calvin johnson, olympia"....something like that. but they aren't 2  separate things.
Jem 09:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I strongly disagree with merging the terms; twee pop is a very distinct subgenre at the border between punk and indie. Googling "twee pop" brings up 250,000 hits (19,000 hosted at the .co.uk domain so hardly a purely American phenomenon) and the phrase "twee pop" returns 70+ matches on the BBC website alone, which I would say leans towards the phrase still being in common UK usage. And the phrase was certainly used by the bands themselves to describe the style - you can always click here to buy yourself an authentic (and again, UK not US issued) "Twee Fucker" badge, should you feel the urge... -  Iridescent (talk to me!) 18:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the strongly disagree. I think this is a very valuable entry. It is definitely a distinct sub genre and there is enough information to justify its own entry Moonman1 13:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of phrase in UK 

message: I still have my copy of C81, the C86 predessor cassette the NME gave away in 1981!! quercus robur
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Suggestion: for the rest of the world who do not speak the British dialect of English, could someone add a definition of what "twee" means? I think it means "sweetly cute to the point of being disgusting", but since (1) I speak the other major dialect of English, & (2) I only know of the meaning of "twee" from people who are very hostile to the concept of "twee", someone who can provide a NPOV definition of twee should add it here. Thanks. -- llywrch 20:41 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)
::Four years late, but I've now done this.  Iridescent 15:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial talk 

message: This article has been moved from Twee pop to Twee on the grounds "that there is no other twee". Yes there is, the word 'Twee' itself which can be applied to many things other than pop. For example, the village of Bourton on the Water is described by many as "twee", as is anything knowingly or overly cute. Of course WP isn't a dictionary, but I think the artcile move was a bit premature. Graham 04:53, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  No other twee 

message: I note that twee pop has been at twee for some time, on the ground that there's no other twee — indeed, an article about "twee" would just be a dicdef.  But is twee pop actually ever described as simply "twee"?  I don't think it is.  Surely this article would be better at twee pop, with a redir from twee? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:43, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. I was suprised by this article's content, which is never a good thing. - brenneman(t)(c) 14:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I third that, I was expecting some kind of description of twee as in the English English sense of the word. I'm going to remove the redirect. - FrancisTyers 03:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  page title 

message: Cuddlecore only exists as an American genre and I edited the entry to reflect that as  well as adding the two most undisputed examples of cuddlecore I know.  Cub, for instance, has the slogan "Cuddlecore '94" printed on the inside liner notes of their second album, "Come Out, Come Out".--Tinyfolk 17:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuddlecore 

message: Seriously, I never heard this term used until the early—or maybe even mid—1990s.  And it was always a laughable term.  Indie pop is more appropriate. And some of the key bands somehow connected to this label have existed for years before the term ever existed in a zine editor's lexicon.  I say this should be merged with indie pop, but referenced in the article...  Maybe even a redirect to make things easier. —SpyMagician 06:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Twee or Not to Twee 

message: There still isn't anything in this article that isn't in the indie pop article. Can someone add in references and history that might actually add to this as a genre otherwise i'm gonna merge with indie pop. That article now refers to twee pop, twee, cuddlecore, has a section devoted to the USA and so on.
Jem 07:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am pretty neutral on the merger. The two relevant allmusic articles "Indie pop" and ["Twee"] indicate that Twee is a sub-genre of indie pop, so if that is true (not quite sure it was used that way at the time), this could be handled either as a sub-section of Indie pop or as a summary there of an independent article here (if there is enough for a larger article here once this article is cleaned up and sourced). I would quite like a few days grace to see what sources can be found before it is merged.--SabreBD (talk) 08:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  merging again 

message: This article does not serve as a general overview of twee pop; rather, it focuses on a specific subgenre. It does not accurately portray the post-punk nature of twee pop, which is not the same thing as simple "feminine punk." I'm debating whether or not to rewrite the majority of this article. 82.27.209.76 (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article does not represent twee pop as a whole, but rather focuses on a subsection of it. 

message: The lede says that twee pop is "an offshoot of the Twee movement," without any further explanation (couldn't find anything in the source either). Is this referring to broader twee subculture, a la peter pan collars and colored tights? If so, seems like that warrants its own article.
I'd prob argue that twee subculture grew out of twee pop (twee subculture is associated with the 2010s from what I know), not the other way around, but seems notable enough on its own anyway. Plenty of notable coverage. Thoughts? Remainsuncertain (talk) 03:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this article because I assumed there was an article for twee fashion/subculture, and I'm surprised there isn't one when this, much more niche, topic does have one. There seems to be enough coverage:       . It is odd for this article to open with that without any explanation of what "the Twee movement" is and without it having an article. Issan Sumisu (talk) 18:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Twee movement"