Talk:Criss Angel Mindfreak

message: The youtube video linked in reference 1 is some kind of poorly done amateur video.76.183.169.130 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reference [1] is a joke 

message: If anyone has some real cool information to post, with citable sources, 'be bold!' I'll be on the lookout for some information to make the wiki a bit meatier; frankly it's not as indepth or interesting as it could be. 24.251.84.221 08:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  <centerr>Article would totally benefit from some cool expansion 

message: "Contrary to publically insisting that his magic feats are possible as a result of meditation, some allege that Angel uses camera special effects, forced viewing angles and assistants acting as amazed spectators for the tv audience." 
Sounds like someone edited the original, but didnt pay attention to what the original was saying. Someone who knows what it should be want to fix it? --ThreadbareSock 20:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading Comprehension 

message: Does the page really need two copies of the same image? Laundrypowder 02:47, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've sent a simple request for any poster/image that we could use with a defined copyright status. Who knows if it'll bring anything but better than a loose screen-capture hopefully. Laundrypowder 20:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple images 

message: There is no mention of any attempts to discover the "how'd he do it"s on this page.
While its not required that we do this, I think its easy to say people do vioce their opinions, or have broken down how these stunts are performed.
I do know myself that a lot of people here must be staged, after all in one episode of Mindfreak he makes a woman disappear without re-materializing her, something all magicians seem to do unless its a staged actor.
I already have one figured out, in a part of episode "Vanish," he makes a cat disappear. This has been done before; the cat was actually pushed through a side portion of the box and then pulled off the table by one of the crew. The box (containing the cat) itself was then moved off camera by both the camera's movement and the stage hand, who pulls it back to himself behind the little coverage the table provides.
Another is where he tries to pull up a manhole cover. Notice the changing of the cameras? After the last "pull" of the same slide, which is actually soundbite over the plastic "handle," it rolls up. The real manhole is nw behind the camera.
Still trying to figure out the levitation though.
=== Camera tricks ===
User DannyDunn
(talk/contribs)
recently changed the content of the introductory paragraph entirely
(diff).
He also did a similar edit at Criss Angel
(diff).
He seems to be driving the idea that the tricks by Criss Angel are mere camera tricks
with a sold-in audience members. The changes were made to the articles without any
past discussion, which is why I'm creating this chapter in the discussion page
in the hopes explanations will be added. --Bisqwit 02:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly have a hard time to stop laughing at how anyone can actually believe this guy is in any way "magical." What more evidence do you need? I don't think any is really required. Most of these "tricks" are blatantly fake, and the ones that may be slightly more subtle can be easily disproved by many natural laws, as many others have posted and stated. Anyone who can call him/herself a fan of this man obviously has a mental dysfunction, or is extremely gullible. Erik212 (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tricks? 

message: User DannyDunn
(talk/contribs)
recently changed the content of the introductory paragraph entirely
(diff).
He also did a similar edit at Criss Angel
(diff).
He seems to be driving the idea that the tricks by Criss Angel are mere camera tricks
with a sold-in audience members. The changes were made to the articles without any
past discussion, which is why I'm creating this chapter in the discussion page
in the hopes explanations will be added. --Bisqwit 02:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camera tricks 

message: Yes indeed Criss  uses mostly camera tricks that are performed in front of audiences that are all in on it.  His editing has become so sloppy you can even see the camera tricks exposed in his videos. 
In this video you can see scratch marks on the pavement made by the manhole cover he removes. The camera cuts away  from the manhole cover to show Criss, later when the camera pans down the scratch marks are no longer there because you are looking at a fake manhole cover. The real cover is a few feet off camera yet you are forced ( via forced camera perspective)  to ONLY see the fake cover that he peels off the ground.  http://www.metacafe.com/watch/176801/criss_angel_crawls_out_of_a_storm_drain/  If you were there in person you'd see how it really works.
Take a look at this  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRR30Tll6wY&search=chris%20angel and you'll see a particpant running away from the camera with a stick.  You will see him use the stick at 2:42 in the video and then he is seen running off camera in the background later.  Why would anyone run  from such a cool trick..shouldn't he be amazed like the rest of the crowd if they were seeing a real trick .Read all the comments posted for more details.  This is one example of MANY things that are so ovious when you pay attention. 
In the walking thru glass stunt he says  to the camera man.. " Don't cut away..keep one continuous shot" but after the glass is examined the camera zooms up on his shoes as he unties them. The glass is moved then ..off camera while we are forced to look at his shoes. Everyone else there saw the switch yet they all act impressed. If we had been standing there we would have seen how it was really done.
Here is Criss himself explaining how one works. This trick was featured on MindFreak but only looked good from the cameras point of view as people on the street would all see how its done.  http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1142851570/Chris_Angel_Reveals_His_Secrets
Here is yet another example... view this video  ( listen closely  to what he say to the girl) and then read the comments below.  http://www.dumpalink.com/post/1127379217/Chris_Angel%5Cs_ButterFly_Trick   then watch the video again. The proof is all there.
Look Here  http://www.metacafe.com/watch/30413/chris_angel_on_fire/ and you'll notice many of the people in the crowd  are in a different position when Criss reappears than they were when he vanished.  ( much easier to spot on a video tape or DVD compared to web videos )The camera was cut and restarted after he changed costumes. The fire extriguishers were used to help cover the edit point. Again... ovious when you look close enough.
Its good viewing and lots of fun to watch but its not  reality television as previous stated in the article. Its not even magic... its scripted fiction complete with editing, actors and special effects. DannyDunn
* Your argument about Criss's levitation and how it would only look good from the cameras point of view and how all people on the street would see how it is done, is completly wrong. The illusion is SUPPOSED to be viewed behind Criss's back. As long as he is able to control the crowd and watch his angles, there is no way the spectators will see how it is done. Plus, the camera is viewing it from the spectators point of view as well.
Sounds like you are not a magaican so you wouldnt know that there are illusions that only look good from certain angles. It also seems as if you think that real magicians have real magical powers and since criss angel doesnt have any of that, he uses camera trickery on all his illusions. --Red monkey 21:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly have a hard time to stop laughing at how anyone can actually believe this guy is in any way "magical." What more evidence do you need? I don't think any is really required. Most of these "tricks" are blatantly fake, and the ones that may be slightly more subtle can be easily disproved by many natural laws, as many others have posted and stated. Anyone who can call him/herself a fan of this man obviously has a mental dysfunction, or is extremely gullible. Erik212 (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proof of camera tricks

message: "Tesla Strike: People who are struck by lightning often show increased memory and mental capabilities."
I think Criss Angel said this on one of his shows.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.50.68 (talk) 04:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Often? 

message: See WP:CONTEXT. The overlinking on this page needs to be cleaned up. It was done by a single user but since there have been edits since that time it needs to be done by hand. There are a lot of pages to clean up because of what this one person did, and I will try to get to them in turn, but if someone interested in this page can get started that would be good. Examples of inappropriate links are all the dates in the episode list, basic words like equipment, camera, past, handcuff, volunteer, etc.  Try only to keep words that provide the necessary context. --Crossmr 06:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Okay, so in the article is says "A major part of the show is the fact that Criss uses computer technology and camera edits/effects in his magic. In addition to camera tricks the use of assistants acting as amazed spectators has created controversy among fellow magicians while others consider it part of modern magic on television".  Although it says the the statement needs to be cited, I feels it was put by some Criss hater and figure some other Wikipedians do,too.--Happycat93 03:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Why exactly can't they have one single camera from one angle recording his whole act? They always have to switch camera angles or go to the audience or something. Want to know why? Because it's all fake and the audience is fake. Has anyone here actually seen this guy CLOSE UP doing his stuff? No. Thank you.
*David Blaine, David Copperfield even Cyril uses multiple cameras to get audience reaction. Just because it is not shot using only one camera does not mean everything is fake.
**Yes it does
***No it doesen't
****YES IT DOES !!!!
*****No it doesn't
******Yes. It. Does.
*******No it doesn't
********Yes... it... does!!!
*********No it doesn't
**********YES IT DOES!!!!!!
***********Yes it does
************No it doesn't!!! Aw damnit.
What, do you think the louder and more frequently you say it, the smarter you look, or the more correct you are? (unsigned comment)
That's WP at its best, right there. :-) --76.212.165.125 06:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameras 

message: It is not at all clear to me why there are so many calls for "reveals" of Criss Angel's illusions, whereas there are virtually none on the page for David Blaine.  It would appear that, for reasons I can't identify, this page is much more critical than Blaine's.
* I don't think that any magicians secrets should be exposed to the public but  Angel is not performing magic. He is attempting to pass off camera tricks  and special effects as performance of magicians skills. We might as well credit Superman for his great levitations in Superman Returns as well if we are going to be amazed at Angels floating from building to building.  All we are doing is calling it what it is... camera tricks. You don't see anyone exposing Angels effects that are really slight of hand  ( he does several nice effects the old fashioned way... he performs them with skills. )  We just don't want him passing off " Spielburg" work as a magic trick anymore.   DannyDunn
** I respect your opinion about the reveals, But, I feel its within guidelines of wikipedia. You can have the reveals and still be entertained. Thats why there is "Spoiler" notices. Also many young inspired magicians can benefit from this. David blaine should have his reveals also, I suspect if when his show is on again, you will see it for him just as much as Criss. But for now, its not so much. Otherjohn 19:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parity 

message: I just spent a few minutes and did some major cleanup on this article. The entire thing sounded like it was copied directly from the A&E show page. It was all POV/unsourced/original research and basically a Advert. I cleaned it up, and it looks fine now. If any can find some NPOV and sourced infomation, then go ahead and add it. dposse 02:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Cleanup. 

message: If he realy did have powers... couldnt he do something more useful with them?
I would like to see him make nuclear waste disappear,
i mean if i had those powers, i would seriously run around in tights being a super hero,
well.. not realy, i would just never have to take out the garbage agian, 
or use stairs,
but back to my point, if he was real, i think he would be doing more important things.
69.153.137.77 21:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just at thought 

message: I was wonderin who did his theme song its not on the page from what i can see and i believe it should be
: He did his own theme song, although I think Klayton was involved. Daedae 01:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter how perposturous the whole stunt may have seemed, we need to state how it was on the show. At this point, I don't think anything about the event being fake should be put in the article should be posted until there is an investigation or something from a good source. Anyways, what I have to say is how do all the cameras lose the feed at once? I do not get it. I am the Tape! (talk) 05:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, now should the fakeness of the stunt be revealed? http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7108115&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 anyway, I still think Mindfreak has jumped the shark. I am the Tape! (talk) 12:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: There's one (unreferenced) section, and it's about the guy. I thought this was a joke, till I checked the history. This article, as it stands, should not exist on Wikipedia. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't this be about the show?  

message: I have enjoyed criss angel on television, his show at Las Vegas and some of his illusions he has done outside the show. I seen his show in Vegas this past week. He asked everyone if they could donate at least a dollar for children's cancer research. I would donate an extra 200.00 if I could get criss angels signature. I would like to add it to the rest of the things I have of him. Is it possible to get it? Loyal fan
 Ricksgolfaddiction (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:       Signature request