Talk:Association of Vineyard Churches

message: Well, I can't claim to be an experienced wikipedian, but I'm pretty sure that the edits that 76.28.178.11 made today were against the rules. I'll just see if I can undo them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.200.111 (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did all the content go? 

message: Tdkocher also added Calvary Chapel to the "See also" section.  Since Calvary Chapel is referenced in the History section of the page, I see no need to reference it again. Therefore, I'm removing it. Jhortman (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also: Calvary Chapel 

message: I added Lonnie Frisbee as a "see also" primarily because of his large impact on the Vineyard during its beginning stages.  Please respond here first if you have an issue with this addition. Tdkocher (talk) 02:56 26 April 2011 (UTC)
: Given his significant work in the early Vineyard Movement, he probably deserves more than just a "See Also" mention.  If you're willing to edit the History section as we discussed above, it would be great if you could also add some content regarding Frisbee's role in the church.  (There is already a small base of well-sourced content in the Lonnie Frisbee wiki article.)  Jhortman (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lonnie Frisbee addition

message: I've had a degree of involvement with the vineyard church over the years. I'm wondering if it's worth adding a section mentioning the shift in theology from Complementarianism to Egalitarianism in the Vineyard church since Wimber's death.
Note the section in John Wimber's wiki page below on his views on gender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wimber
See reference below, this was referenced in the article above.
http://www.cbmw.org/Journal/Vol-12-No-2/Women-in-Ministry-in-the-Vineyard-USA  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.236.14 (talk) 15:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as any statements regarding the Vineyard's theological positions can be referenced by independent, reliable sources, then please do. (Remember that no original research is permitted, as well.)  I believe the CBMW link you posted is probably not a reliable reference because it is an organization dedicated to promoting the Egalitarianism viewpoint. Religion, like politics, is an unusual subject, though, so the CBMW link might be ok, after all... it would be good to have more discussion on that issue.  It would definitely be better if you could also use a more neutral reference in addition to the CBMW link, though. -Jhortman (talk) 22:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shift to Egalitarianism after Wimbers death 

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message: Hi, I have noticed that none of the pentegostal categories are present in this article. Could someone please explain to me why? 143.176.56.102 (talk) 21:16, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because the Vineyard is not a Pentecostal denomination. It is considered by most Third Wave charismatic evangelical denomination. One of the categories listed is charismatic denominations. Ltwin (talk) 23:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are there any sources to verify this? Other editors on the Dutch wikipedia are confinced that it is a Pentecostal denomination. They have placed three pentecostal categories on the wiki article about the Association of Vineyard Churches. 143.176.56.102 (talk) 23:40, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In English, "Pentecostalism" refers to classical Pentecostalism. Related movements that developed after the 1950s are referred to as "Charismatic". That is the framework used on Pentecostalism, Charismatic Christianity, the Charismatic Movement, and the Neocharismatic articles. Ltwin (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: I've removed a full-text quotation of primary material regarding Vineyard policies on human sexuality. Please follow the Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources guideline in the future. It would be more appropriate in an encyclopedia to write a summary statement about Vineyard theology and/or policies and then cite the sources on which the summary is based. UnsoundMethodology (talk) 02:25, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a short statement with a citation of the source. I've not kept up on my Wikipedia skills though so if there is anything I should have done differently there please let me know. Adamundefined (talk) 22:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Statements on sexuality

message: I believe that content about The Network should be deleted from this article. The events detailed have nothing to do with Vineyard Churches and are only related because The Network's founder was previously a Vineyard pastor. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a controversy within The Network because of the practices which developed within this sub-group of the Vineyard. These were in fact Vineyard churches, which later broke away. That is the nature of the controversy. CarbondatedBeverage (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   Yes, The Network broke off from the Vineyard churches, but did the pattern of bad behavior start before or after the split, and was it responsible for the split? Or is the bad behavior not tied to the Vineyard in any way other than that their former brethren formed a bad church after they left? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the stories published by former members the bad behavior started before they broke away. Another part of the controversy is that the Vineyard hired him with his arrest background. Perhaps this could be expanded on and linked to a dedicated page. CarbondatedBeverage (talk) 22:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Thank you, @Alaska4Me2. I did not mean to engage in edit warring. I came in earlier today to add a detail, and made an edit but didn’t cite it, which @Anti-Cancel-Culture rightly called out as not being cited, rolling back my change. They made the right call. I came back and added the citation, but, in the end, didn’t feel the detail fit the content of this page, even properly cited. I reverted my edits on my own. I do not think anything needs added to this page. I value your feedback. CarbondatedBeverage (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for responding and doing so kindly.  Battling in Wikipedia is a bad idea all around and creates a bad taste in everyone's mouth.  Easy to engage in and then harder to stop doing once everyone's dander gets up.  Maybe wait a week or so, see if the edits you wanted to make are really "better" and then reevaluate.  I would also encourage reaching out to the other editor to see if you can collaborate with some compromising on each side.  You probably both want for the article to be better, and that's a common place which makes for a good starting platform. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content about "The Network"