Talk:Tampa, Florida/Archive 1

message: This was moved to the end of the talk page, where it is customary to place new sections. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 01:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shopping Centers

message: You mean Gasparilla isn't adult oriented already?  Every time it rolls around there's a lot of talk about women flashing just to get beads.--24.92.194.173 06:50, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Legend differs from reality. The Night parade is more for that, the day parade has been cleaned up a great deal. The boat parade has all kinds of antics on the water, mostly involving throwing water baloons. The city changed policy some time ago. If you flash at the children's parade you WILL be arrested. Flashing at the day parade can get you arrested, on a boat it might get you arrested, but at the night parade no police officer will care, unless the offender is very very crude. Dominick 10:33, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Gasparilla

message: I can see naming Redner, but, I dont think we should have much in the way of wiki links for specific clubs, I don't even like the name in there. It isn't censorship, but denying preferential advertising for a purient-interest orented business.Dominick 11:16, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak for other users, but I have no interest in drumming up business for Redner, et al.  But these clubs are a fact of life, and to omit them based on personal preference is POV.  The page also contains a link to Busch Gardens, should we omit it as well?  Mons Venus is as much of a landmark in its own way as Busch Gardens.  It's a moot point, though, as no Mons article exists, but if one did, I can't imagine a NPOV argument against linking to it from this article.  Gamaliel 18:53, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Busch Gardens being a major anchor of North Tampa, like USF, UT and the Buc are. We could consider Westshore a Major anchor of the community. Mons is more of a curosity, but most people hear about other attractions first. WHat would make you leave out Alessi Bakery, or Antraniks? Why leave out the Hub Pub Downtown? Like I said, I think Strip Clubs as a topic can change, and featuring a single business with a article is too detailed, and I think as a whole tilts the article towards stripping as a major part of Tampa. I have been tempted to blend that into one heading of night life, and include Goths, Strip Clubs and the Bar and Resteraunt cene in one heading. Dominick 19:24, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strip Clubs 

message: This sentence has been added twice: "Blake High School is in Tampa, Florida. It received a grade of "C" by the Florida Department of Education in 2003 and 2004".  I don't know why Blake has been singled out, as it's not the only Tampa high school and not even the only one to get a C.  Several got Ds. Gamaliel 17:44, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, I don't think the demographics section of this article is noteworthy or encyclopedic either, but I recognize that there needs to be a consensus to remove it.  I think it's unfair that we don't break "Asian" into Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, etc., but that doesn't give me the right to go in and remove the whole racial makeup section.  You are the one demanding changes that you yourself are not willing to make.  I think the information is worthy AS IS.  If you'd prefer no information to partial information, then it's your responsibility to complete the information. anthony (see warning) 14:48, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  High schools 

message: History Section: Removed ref. that Charlie Wall was a cracker. That was not relevant to the topic at hand.
:I'm not sure I understand how the term "cracker", referring to a Florida native, is racist? - Aerobird 02:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See  -- Dalbury(Talk) 02:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've always considered myself a "Florida Cracker", so the term isn't offensive to me. Weird. - Aerobird 01:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand. I often call myself "half-redneck", and "redneck" was an insult when I was growing up in Miami. I only became aware that "cracker" could be perjorative a few years ago, although I should have gotten a clue from the way Tubbs kept calling Crockett a "cracker" in Miami Vice. -- Dalbury(Talk) 03:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism 

message: I had previously removed the Devil Rays from the Tampa Sports teams section. I really don't care enough to get into an edit war over it, but doesn't leaving it there contribute to the ambiguation of the City of Tampa vs. the Metro-area known as "Tampa Bay"?
Maybe someone else will care enough to keep it out. I will remove it one more time.
     I have edited the "one more time" mentioned above
     --TecBrat 10:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right; they should be in the St. Petersburg article, not here. And they're out! ;) - Aerobird 00:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devil Rays 

message: I noticed that both Riverview and Plant City Highschools are listed in this article. Is anyone else of the opinion that these should be removed? Riverview is in south-east Hillsborough county, and Plant City is closer to Lakeland than Tampa.
These would be correctly included if the article was on the county instead of the city.
--TecBrat 10:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools 

message: who erased the culture section. that section was well written.......it was that Mike H. guy wasnt it.
:Please assume good faith. If you have concerns about a recent edit, please articulate those concerns here, rather than making statements ad hominem. ALC Washington 02:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: culture section

message: User:Joececchini added Big Guava as a nickname. I reverted the edit. I've never heard it used, and want to see a reliable reference cited before allowing it back in. -- Dalbury(Talk) 09:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the ongoing discussion on how to handle these matters at Wikipedia:Verifiability. To summarize, it is the responsibility of the editor adding information to provide references, and not the responsibility of the rest of us. -- Dalbury(Talk) 16:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Big Guava" nickname is also used by some Tampa newspaper columnists, it appears. - Aerobird 01:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it just those columnists that use it, or does it have more general use? I have a dictionary of slang that talks about synthetic slang, slang invented by writers that almost never has any use outside the authors' writings. In any case, if you can cite a verifiable and reputable source, it's allowed. -- Dalbury(Talk) 02:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: This article needs some references added to it.--JeffreyAllen1975 00:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be helpful if you pointed out what needs to be referenced. Mike H. That's hot 00:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything in the article should be sourced. To quote the verifiability policy, One of the keys to writing good encyclopedia articles is to understand that they should refer only to facts, assertions, theories, ideas, claims, opinions, and arguments that have already been published by a reputable publisher. The goal of Wikipedia is to become a complete and reliable encyclopedia, so editors should cite credible sources so that their edits can be verified by readers and other editors. -- Dalbury(Talk) 01:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was pretty unhelpful. Examples please, if you're going to be insistent on it. Mike H. That's hot 03:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll say it again, everything in every article needs to be referenced. The first paragraph of Wikipedia:Verifiability says, "Wikipedia should only publish material that is verifiable ... so editors should cite credible sources so that their edits can be verified by readers and other editors." In the section Wikipedia:Verifiability#When adding information, the policy says, "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who has made the edit. Editors should therefore provide references. Any edit lacking a source may be removed. If you doubt the truthfulness of an unsourced statement, remove it to the talk page. Otherwise, just request a source." Do you want me to start challenging individual statements in the article? Because, if I did and verifiable sources were not cited in the article in a reasonable time, I would be free to remove those statements from the article. I'm not looking to do that. I'm trying to prod editors with an interest in an article to provide sources. If I don't know a subject, I don't know where to look for references. Someone familiar with the subject of an article should easily be able to find citable sources. -- Dalbury(Talk) 11:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I copeyed and pasted the tampa history article from Tampa main page to a seperate article named HISTORY OF TAMPA. i did not add anything to the article(s). the only thing that was not succesful during the process was i could not transfer the old picture of YBOR CITY-franklin st. to the article.
Feel free to add that and more photographs that are apropriate for the History of Tampa. If you want to delete the history section on the Tampa main page, just give me the thumbs up.
if you find any problems with my transfer of the HISTORY OF TAMPA page please notify me.
-Thanks  VG
:Got the pic (and the wikilinks) to the History of Tampa page, and added a link from the main page. I'll leave it to others to decide how much of the History should remain on the main page... - Aerobird 00:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Tampa