Talk:Haplogroup T (mtDNA)

message: Seems to have Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) connection Sasha l (talk) 11:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Queen Sophia is not a matrilineal descendant of Barbara of Celje, but of Anne de Foix.  She is thus not presumably Haplogroup T, but presumably Haplogroup H.  Anne de Foix  is also matrilineal ancestress to Tsarina Alexandra.  The line back goes Queen Sophia > Frederika of Hanover > Princess Victoria Luise of Prussia > Empress Augusta Victoria > Adelheid zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg > Feodore von Leiningen > Victoria von Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld > Auguste Karoline Reuss zu Ebersdorf > Karoline zu Erbach-Schönberg > Ferdinande zu Stolberg-Gedern > Christine von Mecklenburg-Güstrow > Magdalena von Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp > Maria Elisabeth von Sachsen > Magdalena Sibylla von Hohenzollern > Maria-Eleonor von Kleve > Maria von Habsburg > Anna Jagiellonka > Anne de Foix.  Follow female line here Satyadasa 05:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Queen Sophia of Spain

message: George III of the United Kingdom > Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha > Magdalena August of Anhalt-Zerbst > Sophia of Sachsen-Weissenfels > Anna Maria of Mecklenburg-Schwerin > Anna Maria of Ostfriesland > Anna of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp > Christine of Hesse > Christine of Saxony > Barbara Jagiellonka > Elisabeth of Austria > Elisabeth II of Bohemia > Barbara of Celje 
Satyadasa 21:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: George III's descent

message: Someone must have been really insecure about the 'reduced sperm motility' factoid addition; because now the article is looking more like an article on how many children famous men have had! It seems a little out of place, "reduced motility" isn't saying "you can't knock someone up", heck, even implying that reduced motility means less of a chance of impregnating women is a logical jump that isn't here inferred and is a separate subject altogether. I think maybe a line should be added to the effect of (shows reduced sperm motility... that is not to imply reduced fertility) rather than this entire "curiosity" section about the number of children T mt group men have had. 67.5.158.240 12:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow. LOL. 

message: This section really needs to be removed, as it is misleading in many ways. The article in the original is interesting to read, and was well written enough to be able to be included in the magazine. However, there was misinformation in the original that was contrary to known facts at the time, and--even more importantly--current thinking has changed and much of the information in this cited paragraph from the magazine is not up to date.  
1) the Hungarian Plain (i.e. the Carpathian Basin) is not 'just' northwest of the Caucasus Mountains. The Black Sea is the size of Texas, and you still
have Romania and the Carpathian Mountains between modern-day Hungary and the Black Sea. The wording in the original makes it sound like people migrated directly from the Caucasus to Hungary. This could have happened, but was done so in steps. Anatolia (Turkey) or the Pontic Steppes (Ukraine) are two of the intermediate areas people traveled through. 
2) the Iraq-Syria-Turkey border is NOT the Zagros Mountains. The Zagros are mostly in Iran, along the border with Iraq. There are certainly domesticated plants and animals in the modern human repertoire that had origins in the Zagros. However, the author of this article means the TAURUS Mountains, which are where the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates. The Taurus are mostly in Anatolia (Turkey), but 'spill' over into Syria and Iraq, both range-wise and especially foothill-wise. Wheat came from this area, not the Zagros, which is an entirely different mountain range. There is no topography in Turkey or Syria that is part of the Zagros.
3) The modern humans who made the cave paintings in France were NOT a different race of people. They were modern humans. There were paleolithic and mesolithic expansions of modern humans into Europe, long before any of the agriculture-bringers (Y-chrom haplos R1b, R1a, etc. mtDNA haplos T, J, etc.) came from the Middle East.   
4) The Basques are likely an ethnolinguistic continuation of pre-Indo-European peoples; they don't speak an Indo-European language. However, they are NOT the only remnants of the pre-Indo European human inhabitants of Europe. mtDNA haplogroup U (specifically U5 or "Ursula") entered Europe around 30,000 - 35,000 years ago. The cave painters at Lascaux, etc. were very likely 'U5 people.' And, today, around one in ten Europeans is U5. These genes survived. They are everywhere in Europe, from the edge of Ireland to the Greek Isles to the top of Finland.
5) It should also be noted that the Basques are maternally/matrilineally linked to the pre-Indo European peoples, but paternally, they are not. The most common Y-chrom haplogroup among the Basques, both in Spain and in France, is R1b. It used to be thought that R1b originated in Europe and spent the last glacial maximum in Iberia, then spreading out as the ice retreated. It is now believed by the vast majority of anthropologists, genetic genealogists, human population geneticists, etc. that R1b actually originated in Eastern Europe / Western Asia (Anatolia, or north of Mesopotamia, or the Caucasus, or the southern Pontic Steppes near the Caucasus) and that the migration of 'R people' (groups with majority of men who were R1a or R1b) just predated the spread of agriculture and/or was part and parcel with this spread. The information in this Harper's article hints/refers back to the old thinking on R1b.
This blurb needs to be removed from this site and any other human pop gen site associated with haplogroups. It is an interesting article, but the information it contains is not valid--and some of it never was. 75.175.176.95 (talk) 03:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Harper's Magazine blurb 

message: There are many more subclades of haplogroup T, even within only the first 3 levels. T2b for example only currently goes up to T2b6 on the Wiki article whereas it actually now has subclades up to T2b33. T2d now has subclades T2d1 and T2d2. See Phylotree.org for more info. Should these be added or is there a reason for not including them? Robin (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: More subclades to be added?

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