Talk:Frame story

message: Currently his article defines a frame story exclusively as an overarching narrative for a collection of short stories.  I think of it as a more general concept of a ('story' or 'stories')-within-a-story, as was covered before the frame story/narrative merge. So this entry would include things like 'Turn of the screw' and 'Heart of Darkness' where the framing narrative serves as an intro and postscript to the main framed story.
Moreover currently Story within a story redirects here! So things like the play-within-the-play in hamlet should be in here. But a google of 'framing narrative' indicates it should be otherwise.
My suggestion would be to resusitate Story within a story and include the current material there plus some historical stuff from previous incarnations.
I'm a newbie so any input would be greatly appreciated.
cheers
--harry 14:37, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing as I read this article, actually. Problem is, I can't come up with a concise and clear way to phrase a better definition. Anyone else have any ideas? Hbackman 22:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See frame story --Wetman 16:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: old talk

message: I feel this page should be redirected to Frame Story; it covers more briefly material that is treated there.
:The framing devices mentioned here need not be any form of frame story.  Goldfritha 01:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Goldfritha in that framing devices and frame stories are not necessarily one in the same. There is a clear difference between the Decameron and the plays-witin-a-play of Hamlet or A Midsummer's Night Dream. Framing narratives for collections of stories were/are a literary movement whose hayday lasted over two thousand years and across many cultures. There should be a seperate article to discuss works like the Decameron, The Canterbury Tales, Tales of a Wayside Inn, and other story collections that are nestled within frame stories.--Cassmus 08:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps a source for some of the confusion is in thinking that the action of A Midsummer's Night Dream is a frame story for "Pyramus and Thisbe".--Wetman 16:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Would then a framing story be a specific type of framing device? --Gbleem 19:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Right, the only difference being that a framing device is not narrative, for instance as in allegories presented as if they were a series of floats in a parade: "...and then methought I saw...". Hypnerotomachia Poliphili is presented as if it were a dream: there's a quite standard minimally narrative framing device. Martianus Capella's book after book of didactic allegories are all offered as if taking place at the wedding of Philology and Mercury. --Wetman 19:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree about Hamlet or A Midsummer's Night Dream, but then you have The Taming of the Shrew, where the play-within-the-play is the main story. Where does that device fit in? --Syd Henderson 06:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I hope that it was understood that, when I suggested that the action of A Midsummer's Night Dream might be misunderstood as a frame story for "Pyramus and Thisbe", it was a joke. --Wetman 10:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge 

message: I'm sorry, what is this dispute even about? It may or may not be true that frame tales are as old as storytelling, it just so happens that the earliest examples preserved date to Classical India. The literary influence of the Panchatantra in the West is undisputed. I see no problem at all with the statement as made in the article. Kindly review ancient literature: It just so happens that no instance before the Homer's Odyssey and the Sanskrit Epics is known. dab (𒁳) 10:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: hi, i'm new to this whole editing thing but i thought you should know, the novel of Princess Bride actually has the dad reading the story to his son not the grandfather to his grandson (as shown in the movie), so maybe that should be specified.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.128.32 (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  princess bride 

message: "Anatomy" inserted in the opening will be mysterious to most readers, and perhaps is so to most editors, too. I shall delete it there, but perhaps some editor will add a section on "anatomy" as a framing device (not a frame story, after all). Or not.--Wetman (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anatomy"