Talk:History of the Internet/Archive 3

message: Alright, I've reverted to Squeakbox's version of September 4 and protected.  Why doesn't everybody calm down and work this out? I know nothing of the subject, so I shall retreat.  Notify me if you've worked it out and I'll unprotect. john k 18:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That apparently didn't stop some anon from screwing around with the text formatting. It says protected, yet an anon was able to edit. Everyking 06:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's very odd.  Let me note here that the revert to Squeakbox was an error, and I've reverted to an earlier version from August.  john k 06:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: In the course of what turned out to be an extended email discussion with Yakov Rekhter, about the exact importance of the phase-II NSFNET (i.e. the T1 version) in the evolution of the Internet, he made useful point about the evolution of the routing (i.e. path selection, not packet forwarding), the importance of which hadn't really struck me before.
He pointed out that work associated with the T1 NSFNET produced a routing system for the Internet as a whole which was much more suitable to a network in which the overall connectivity model was mesh-oriented, as opposed to the hub-and-spoke model used by the Internet when the ARPANET was the core long-haul backbone in it.
Here's the conclusion of the discussion:
: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:50:26 -0700
: From: Yakov Rekhter
: ...
: >>> what were your significant sources of technical influence, in doing
: >>> the T1 NSFNET? I would assume prior Internet work was the biggest?
: >>> (I.e. technically, the NSFNET was mostly an evolution of the the
: >>> pre-existing Internet?) Or am I wrong there?
: >> From the routing point of view the T1 NSFNET was not exactly "an
: >> evolution of the pre-existing Internet" as routing in the T1 NSFNET
: >> was not exactly an evolution of the routing in the 56 Kb Internet
: > Right; I was speaking in a broader context, though, of the network as a whole
: > (i.e. applications, the whole concept, etc), not specifically of the routing
: > (which of course you all had to re-do completely; the overall Internet
: > routing used at the time of the 56KB NSFNET was simply not workable).
: > Your points about the routing are most valuable; I hadn't thought about that
: > angle much before. Would you say that that was the most significant technical
: > contribution of the NSFNET work to the development of the Internet?
: Yes.
The BGP, developed by Yakov and others to replace the previous EGP-2 has much greater capabilities, and really was a key step in the development (as big as Van Jacobsen's TCP congestion control stuff). Noel (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be supporting the way the "ARPANET to NSFNet" section in the 19 September version was? Or should it be a bit more specific in saying "In 1984 this resulted in the first Wide Area Network designed specificaly to use the full capabilities of TCP/IP." rather than "In 1984 this resulted in the first Wide Area Network designed specificaly to use TCP/IP." Can we now move on so we can get the page unprotected and start putting this new information in? I think BGP is probably an important enough technology to demand a brief mention within the section and a link to [Border Gateway Protocol] for more detail. --John R. Barberio  talk, contribs  19:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: After a little research, mention of BGP is more suited to the comercialisation and deconstruction of NSFNET section. As it is both a contempary event, and the enabling technology that allowed decenteralisation. --John R. Barberio  talk, contribs  19:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NSFNET contributions to the Internet

message: At User:Essjay's suggestion, I have filed a RfM. See WP:RfM#Pending. Noel (talk) 13:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation

message: List here all primary sources you can find relating to the history of the Internet, arranged in date order.
*Development of the actual Internet:
**January 1, 1981: TCP-IP Digest, Vol 1 #10
**November 1981: NCP/TCP TRANSITION PLAN, RFC 801 by Jon Postel
*The history of ideas perspective of the "Internet idea":
**July 1945: As We May Think by Vannevar Bush
**March 1960: Man-Computer Symbiosis by J.C.R. Licklider
**October 1962: AUGMENTING HUMAN INTELLECT: A Conceptual Framework by Douglas Engelbart
: It's an intresting, but irelevent, side issue that the 'predictors' of a world wide network and data store seemed to think that Voice Recognition would not only be more important, but easier to provide and use. --John R. Barberio  talk, contribs  10:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary Sources

message: Unfortunatly, Mediation stalled. The mediator has suggested that we return to editing the page, and ensure to use full cites.
Unless anyone has objections, I'm going to edit the page a lot to get it to a standard where we can put it on the Featured Article path. I'll try to keep any new information added since mediation started. And we'll be restoring some info that was reverted during the mediation process.
Things that I would like to happen, and urge people to research :
#Merge in Australian Internet history, and get some cites for it!
#Add in Aditional information on the spread of the internet to other continents. We're missing Asia and Africa and South America.
#History of Internet Games. This could really be a whole article in its own right, so if anyone wants to run with that, and give us a summary version for this article?
I'd love to see this article be a Main Page featured article some day. --Barberio 12:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation result