Talk:Metal Sonic

message: Why are you, guys, trying to delete this page, redirecting to the characters one?
It would be better to put there a link to this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.137.231.87 (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirecting

message: That "robotic Sonic" which appears during StH2 isn´t simply the so called Mecha Sonic, and the one which appears during S&K the Eggrobot?
Tonyjeff 09:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on. It looks like Metal Sonic, for the most part. It shows up right after you defeat Metal and a little cutscene showing Eggman doing something with Metal. Is it really that big a stretch to say that it is Metal? I say not. --Shadow Hog 00:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnamed Villains

message: Okay, I'm sick of discussing this in edits, so I brought it here.
First off, I now agree that the robot's name is not Silver Sonic. I still, however, stand by the fact that it IS the robot from Sonic the Hedgehog 2, which is called Mecha Sonic.
There are no names for any of the Sonic robots except for Metal Sonic and Rocket Metal.  Japan refers to all the robots as mecha Sonic, but only because they are mechanical.  It's not a name.  It's a description.  "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.
Why can't we just call them all "Metal Sonic"? 24.196.6.150 16:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Metal is a specific Sonic robot. --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Un-named" robot 

message: The animated GIFs in the section "Other Sonic robots" need to be replaced with static images or removed completely. The animations add nothing to the article content and are distracting. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated GIFs 

message: Until there is official confirmation that Knuckles and Tails also turned Super along with Sonic, it will remain stated otherwise.Czin 17:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Overlord info 

message: "He manages to achieve this through the use of Chocola, since Chao have a distinct connection to Chaos, the water monster from Sonic Adventure, and Froggy, who periodically had Chaos' tail in Sonic Adventure."
That's nice, but impossible. Why? Because we clearly see Metal Sonic shapeshifting (much less appearing as Robotnik) BEFORE Team Rose's ending, where he states that the data was copied. So unless he has a time machine, this isn't the explanation.
:I've noticed that too. Either he had the ability beforehand, or copied that ability as soon as he got his hands on Chocola and Froggy, just needing more time to absorb the rest of Chaos' data. 83.252.141.112 14:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Sonic's liqiud metal abilities... 

message: Confused as to why the article says Metal is the last boss and Eggman is just a bonus. I've completed the game several times and it seems pretty clear that Eggman is the final boss, since you need to beat him to get the ending. Metal is pretty tough but he's more of a guardian who uses all the players moves and if you can beat him you get a 30 second shot at Eggman. It's not like you have to complete the game X number of times to reach Eggman.--HellCat86 16:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Metal's not the last boss...I don't know hwy they would say such a thing...of course, they also insist on listing "RocketMetal" as a different robot when it's obviously Metal Sonic in a rocket suit XDGrandMasterGalvatron 16:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, would it be wrong to assume in-story that he uses all the other's moves due to his ability to capture life data? I was going to add it but I don't believe any source for Fighters flat out says it.--HellCat86 17:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since we didn't know about his data capture back then...that qualifies as original research :/.  But it's probably the truth anyways. GrandMasterGalvatron 18:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think the Japanese Sonic CD mannual mentioned it. Western media just went with "Robotnik builds a robot Sonic", whilst Japan provided a better reason he'd be a threat.--HellCat86 19:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know where to find that, so I'll look it up and if it's there then we can post it. :)GrandMasterGalvatron 19:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic the Fighters

message: So we finally have a name for Metal Sonic's heroes form.  Should the Heroes info be given it's own section with that name?GrandMasterGalvatron 18:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neo Metal Sonic

message: So...is Metal's resurface in Rivals explained, or is it another one of those "Unanswered Sonic Mysteries"? DeathGodDragon EDGE 01:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummmm....anyone there? ChromeWulf ZX 20:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's working for Nega, but that may be original research.  --Luigifan 19:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... It's known now that Eggman made Metal Sonic obedient again right after Sonic Heroes, but Eggman Nega says that he modified Metal Sonic in the game ("this model..."). Metal Sonic is obviously aware he is serving Nega. Of course, it may not be the real Metal Sonic but rather a "Metal Sonic 2.0", but that's just speculation (though it'd make sense with "3.0" in Rivals 2). 208.101.140.232 21:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance in Rivals 

message: Son of a gun..I swear..some of you lot serve no use but causing lame ass edit wars.  Why don't you try IMPROVING THE ARTICLES WITH CITATIONS AND THE LIKE >>
In any case, I'm going to settle both of these issues right now.
First off, Metal has no vocals of his own in any game other Heroes.  What you hear in SA2 is Shadow the Hedgehog.  Metal is very much an extensive Shadow retool (just like the DC version), just like Amy's a Sonic retool.  If you notice, that line is exactly what Shadow says at an altar if he has no Mystic Melody.  Metal Sonic was never supposed to see an altar, therefore, no vocals were put in.  If you go there with Amy, you're going to hear SONIC.  
How do we know he's a Shadow retool?  For starters, that's what he was in the DC version.  Also, Metal and Shadow have the same idle poses (though Metal's are edited to prevent clipping).  Also, if you use the AR and find an Extra Life, you will see it has Shadow's Icon.  This is because Metal was never supposed to see an item box, therefore it was not needed.  Also, lets mention that Shadow is overwritten with the "Alternate character models" enable code..just like the DC version.
Don't put that nonsense back on the page again.  It has no merit on it's own anyway.
Now about this song, the entire debate is one of OPINION.  It is for that reason alone that it doesn't belong here.  Also since it's all opinion, you can read this lovely analysis.  Either way, it doesn't belong here.
Oh, and Youtube links are a definite NO because 99% of them are copyvios.GrandMasterGalvatron 23:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The final battle with Team Super Sonic was aerial, so Metal had to fly like Tails (an ability he kinda already possessed but still). Cigraphix 18:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice in SA2 = NO /What I'm made of = NO 

message: I managed to stumble across this Japanese Chaotix manual page with some stuff about Metal. So I'm just wondering... Does anyone know how to read Japanese? It may or may not have some fun information. Gurko 20:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chaotix information

message: is he?
Hmmm...it says that he is siblings with the E-Series and other Badniks, but I leaning towards "no." ChromeWulf ZX 23:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-59 

message: It says "many fans note similarites" for Metal and the villan of the PS3 Sonic Game, can someone get a referance for that? Oh, and, forums are NOT reliable referances. BassxForte 06:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just remove it.  It's uncited fancruft anyway XDGrandMasterGalvatron 19:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarites

message: to the editor who added the Golden Metal statements please provide proof (such as maybe the Action Replay code or maybe a link to a page with the code other wise plase take it down.
Sure, but what form should it be in? --Coconutfred73 23:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden Metal Sonic?

message: Just to make a suggestion, would it be astute to place the Brotherhood of Metallix in their own page? They were functionally the main villains of the Sonic the Comic series for a length of time, and they played a very important part in the story. 
Captain Smeg 20:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brotherhood of Metallix 

message: The name of the Un-named Sonic robot from Sonic Adventure being Silver Sonic is very pobably not true, the comic version may be based on the design found in the game and this is causing confusion as the robot seen in the game has no connection to anything created in the comics, and all this confusion is probably coming from the comic version, I think a lot to do with the Sonic based comics and the Sonc games needs to be seperated, as it's all bleeding into one confusing mess, and all the 'worlds' (games/comic/tv shows) arn't the same place...  Doktor  Wilhelm ' 03:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silver Sonic II 

message: After watching the episodes of SMBZ and watching return of the jedi in my room 28 times I see ol,TMS(Turbo Mecha Sonic)falling to his death at the hands of Mario Mario (Mario's last name is his first name.)Mecha is tortureing sonic with electric rays and mario seeing flash backs of the victms killed by mecha and mario gets angry and the 7 stars and small pieces of chaos power start coming to mario he gets a silver cape his M elbun turns into a X and starts changeing colors his pupils in his eye disepeare and starts floating and he grabs mecha and carries and throughs mecha sonic into the core of a power plant (Thats where they are) and and a ball of light and mecha is screeming while falling to his death and hits the core and crushed by the ball of light basting mecha into a millon pieces makeing mecha into a death sandwitch and some one please send this to alvin earth worm jim.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a fan-made Flash and has no place on Wikipedia. -- RattleMan (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of turbo mecha sonic (Super mario bros. Z consept) 

message: because I am useing my granpas Comp. It dosen't have email because my other comp. is F*** up with viruses right now so i can't e-mail so I diddent have a choise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.30.30 (talk) 18:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm just asking 

message: :Image:Mechasonic4.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried to fix it, I am a bit new to the use of copyrighted stuff on wikipedia, and so if ther is any problem with what I have done, please inform me, and how I may fix it!  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mechasonic4.jpg

message: Does anyone agree with me that the end boss of knuckles chaotix look a lot like the leader of the brotherhood of metalix? While obviously there is no proof should it be listed as a possibility? --Cobsterjh (talk) 10:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In colour maybe, anything else than no!  Doktor  Wilhelm  13:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  fair enough, it's mainly from memory, I haven't played that game in ages --Cobsterjh (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final boss in Knuckles Chaotix 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Silver Sonic from Death Egg(Sonic 2).gif

message: "but the robot slaps his hand away and gives himself up stating "There is only one Sonic" (supposedly he was referring to himself)"
I was under the impression that Metal Sonic was willing to fall into the lava because he had come to terms with the fact that he was not the "real Sonic", my understanding for this is basically if he still thought of himself as the origonal why would he just let the copy live? 86.161.239.251 (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death in the Movie 

message: Does anyone know exactly in which games Metal Sonic can and cannot talk?
The only ones where he speaks with his own voice is Sonic Heroes and Sonic OVA, although Eggman does use Metal as a sort of communicator between him and Shadow in Sonic Rivals 2.Fairfieldfencer Click me to have a talk with FFF 11:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Sonic's Voice? 

message: I was thinking of adding Mecha Knuckles(Sonic Advance or Sonic R) & Tails Doll(Spnic R)to the article.So should we?Mysterious Nazo 12:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here isn't the place for them. Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games) would work better.Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Not bad but, curses, unofficial content and rumors have no place on Wikipedia.Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Well they didn't actually commit villanous acts, (not counting Metal Knuckles in Sonic Advance). So I think they should stay where they are.Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mecha Knuckles & Tails Doll

message: Why is the list of all the other sonic robots gone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 (talk) 00:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Robots

message: I restored Metal Sonic as a standalone page because there is significant, major coverage for the character and it would make the List of recurring characters article too long so I restored the page. Shockmetric(Talk to me) 09:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This may cause possible problems. Blaze's article was reborn and then destroyed in one day. Evilgidgit (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? I created the Blaze article three days ago and nothing happened to it because it has some development and reception info. The former is very hard to find, but the latter is currently represented in this article by exactly one review; more could be found in the form of reviews of Sonic CD or other games Metal Sonic has appeared in. Tezero (talk) 01:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return of the article 

message: Sonic Central doesn't exist anymore. It's just a redirect to the new Sonic site. And as far as I know, there aren't any character profiles of Metal Sonic there, so I think we should get rid of the external link. --Gar-Art Studios (talk) 03:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I've been cleaning up the article, and am continuing to do so, and it seems like more and more of this article is merely WP:GAMECRUFT and unsourced WP:TRIVIA and WP:OR. Unless someone else can find more substantial, third party sources to establish notability, this article probably needs to be merged to the List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters article. Sergecross73 msg me  20:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been a week, and no one has contested this, let alone improved the article. The more I go through the article to clean it up, the more I see that most of it is unsourced commentary or "in-universe descriptions" from fans, info ripped from non-reliable sources like Sonic fansites, and even the reception section, from a reliable source, is just a passing mention in a review. I'm not seeing much out there as far as sources go either, so I'm merging the article. Sergecross73 msg me  14:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging?