Talk:Church in Wales

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message: When did the Church in Wales start ordaining women to the priesthood?  Are there other aspects of contemporary Welsh church history that could be mentioned?--Bhuck 13:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Currently Rowan Williams is described as the first Welsh Bishop to be appointed to Canterbury since 1805. However, John Moore (died 1805), though translated to Canterbury from Bangor, was an Englishman from Gloucestershire. So he was a bishop in Wales, but not a "Welsh Bishop". Myopic Bookworm 10:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what 'Welsh Bishop' means.  So I changed it to 'the first Bishop to be translated from Wales'.  If someone knows birthplaces we could list Williams as the first Welsh-born Archbishop of Canterbury since ....  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell from the Oxford Dict. Nat. Biogr., Rowan Williams is the first Welsh Archbishop of Canterbury. Myopic Bookworm 15:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a more interesting fact than being the first bishop translated from Wales since 17xx, and it has a source.  I won't at the library until tomorrow to look at ODNB so put your fact in now, and take mine out. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 17:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You wrote "(translated from Wales" reads slightly oddly)".  Don't you believe the ODNB?  Yes it did read slightly oddly - I was being pedantic so as not to exclude the possibility of a non-diocesan bishop from Wales <grin> --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first welsh bishop at canterbury 

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message: There are going to be huge issues with this box throughout the anglican communion pages. This is going to create a POV nightmare here and I am removing it before it starts.  Let's see what's here, shall we?
Orientation: Anglican Orientation? What is that? Neologisim from what I can tell. All in the communion would agree that we are Anglican. Orientation of one sort or another, on the other hand, is splitting the communion in two.
Origin: 1920 St David wasn't alive then, was he? The article states:
"Christianity in Wales can be traced back to the Romano-British period. However, a combination of Celtic Christianity's reconciliation with Rome and English conquest of Wales meant that from the Middle Ages until 1920, the Welsh dioceses were part of the Province of Canterbury -- in communion with the See of Rome until the Reformation, and continuing afterwards as part of the Church of England.
In "communion with...Rome and...as part of the Church of England", nowhere does it stay that the Church had its origin in 1920.  This is POV.
This box just is not a good fit for the Church in Wales or probably any of the Anglican Churches. Thoughts? -- SECisek 05:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Denomination Info Box

message: Not sure that the final line of the introduction is the best way of expressing the situation in Scotland.  The Church of Scotland is established in some senses but not in others (e.g. no House of Lords representation, Queen is merely a member, not head of church), leading to the more usual 'established but free' or 'national church' language.  I realise this is not the page for an extended discussion on this, so how about "thus unlike in England and (to an extent) Scotland, Wales no longer has an established church"?  Maybe it could be snappier - any thoughts, anyone? --Nodrog75 (talk) 23:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishment - Scotland 

message: Apart from the Traditional Anglican Communion, the article should really consider verifying whether groups within the Church in Wales have ever sought a similar canonical structure to the proposed personal ordinariates. ADM (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham operates on a UK-wide basis, so no separate ordinariate for Wales would be appropriate. The Ordinariate website would suggest that possibly the only presence it has in Wales are groups based in Cardiff and Presteigne:  https://www.ordinariate.org.uk/organisation/areas.phpNtmr (talk) 11:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk:Personal Ordinariate

message: >> The Standing Liturgical Commission are preparing resources for Morning, Evening and Daily Prayer which will be published in Autumn 2009. <<
As more than two years have now gone by since the planned date of publication, can anyone find a source stating whether (and if so, when) it went ahead? -- Picapica (talk) 06:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standing Liturgical Commission 

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message: You can't say that material is only available on line; it could have been printed off and made available otherwise.
The article currently states that the 1984 prayer book was in traditional English. This implies that it was not available in Welsh: is that correct?
In general, this section needs to say a lot more about what material was made available in Welsh as well as (or maybe instead of) English, and also what register of Welsh was used (e.g. traditional versus Cymraeg byw), as that information has been given for the English language texts.----Ehrenkater (talk) 11:11, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Common Prayer 

message: In the introduction, there is a a considerable quantity of statements resulting from original research. In two cases, a percentage of the population that is Anglican (Church in Wales) is given, but that percentage is not found in the sources cited. The percentage given appears to come from an editor who synthesized different statistics by taking a number from one source and dividing that by the number in another source that does not mention a number for Anglican membership (e.g. a number from Wales Online was taken and divided by the total Welsh population from a different source that did not include denominations). That is original research under the (original research?) definition. I think editors should watch this give whoever made the edit an opportunity to provide a reliable source with the information (i.e. not synthesized from original research) or remove the material if it is not updated/verified in a reasonable amount of time.SeminarianJohn (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research? 

message: I am sure I am not alone in finding that the way the figures are set out is confusing. Would not a Table - properly referenced - be clearer and more concise? It could include columns for figures such as members on the Electoral Roll, Easter Commmunicants, average weekly attendance, those reached by "major acts of worship" etc. Further years could then simply be added.
The article also lacks by way of comparison any reference to the considerably higher figures for members on the Electoral Roll and Easter Communicants there would have been after disestablishment in the 1920s, and in other sample decades of the 20th Century. The decline in membership has become quite pronounced.Ntmr (talk) 11:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership figures 

message: The assertion that the name "Church in Wales" was adopted at a Convention held in 1920 has remained unreferenced since 2012. I have checked three sources that I have, and all I can find is the account cited (The Later Life of Bishop Owen, Eluned E Owen (1961) p 349), which refers to the Cardiff Convention of the Church, held in October 1917. I suspect that the advice that Judge Sankey gave there is probably the source for the (correct) assertion that there were thought to be good legal reasons to stick with the term "Church in Wales" used in the 1914 Act. The account in Owen's biography suggests that the matter was to be reconsidered once disestablishment had taken place. It is just possible that there was a "Convention" held in 1920, but in nine years no one seems to have been able to find a reference to it. I personally think it is unlikely that there was such a Convention, because by 1920 the Governing Body of the Church in Wales was up and running, and it would then be for the GB of the C in W to take any decision on the official name of the new church. I have yet to track down any reference to the name being reconsidered once disestablishment had become effective. It is conceivable that it was simply never reconsidered.Ntmr (talk) 16:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adoption of official name of the Church 

message: I have managed to track down a citation for this - parts of this Article are poorly referenced. The Canon specifically refers to "Intercommunion", not "Full Communion". I think I may have seen somewhere that the C in W entered into Intercommunion with the Old Catholics in 1932, and Full Communion in 1958, but the first is clearly wrong, and there seems to be no canon relating to Full Communion in the 1950s. Looking at the list of Canons on relationships with other churches it may just be that the term "Full Communion" superseded "Intercommunion" around 1973. There is nothing to suggest that a previous relationship of "Intercommunion" has ever been "upgraded" by canon to "Full Communion" with the church in question.Ntmr (talk) 17:40, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intercommunion with Old Catholics