Talk:List of Eastern Bloc agents in the United States

message: This list must be checked for consistency with other WP articles and reduced. Biophys 04:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree to a certain extent but sometimes it should go the other way where persistent defenders are trying to maintain a shadow of doubt in the article but haven't twigged to the existence of the list where well established guilt is accepted. TMLutas 18:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I assume the blue links are sourced in the corresponent articles. All red links should be sourced in the list Alex Bakharev 01:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: O'K, I will do it ASAP. These references are easy to find.Biophys 02:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed a few unreferenced redlinks, please, please reference the other Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  All red links should be sourced in the list 

message: Adamic was accused of being a spy, but I'm not aware that this was ever corroborated, and he was certainly never convicted. The Wikipedia article on Adamic does not mention any treason or spying. It seems to me that no one should be listed as a Soviet Agent without a great deal of evidence and some degree of consensus among historians. This seems especially true of a significant figure like Adamic, since the accusation tends to bring his beliefs and causes (e.g., cultural pluralism) into disrepute. Bartokian (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Adamic a Soviet agent? 

message: This is partly an WP:NPOV issue and partly a matter of citation and original research.  NPOV occurs where the contributor to the article assumes that Person X is a Soviet agent because one or more uncorroborated accusation has been made against that person.  I suspect, too, that one or more contributors has concluded that since Person Y was shown to hold communist views or belong to the Communist Party USA, that Person Y "must" be a Soviet agent.  That, too, is often (but not always) incorrect.  This is an encyclopedia, and requires citation.  Citation cannot merely be to "Whittaker Chambers said John Doe was a spy."  That citation is merely to Whittaker Chambers' opinion or allegation.  Citations must point to court convictions, spy exchanges, historical consensus, or evidence (e.g., Venona transcripts, independent documents, etc.). Where there is still dispute over a dead person's status as a spy, the person probably should be included here but the text of the list should make mention of this dispute and provide citations and explanation (preferably in the text, but definitely in a footnote). For living people, there is no discusion:  WP:BLP requires the highest level of care, citation, and proof. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong agreement that this article is seriously distorted.  Just because someone's name appears in VENONA cable traffic does not show or prove they were "under control" of Soviet Union.  DEddy (talk) 21:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severe NPOV issues 

message: I'd like to see the definition—and proof—of "under control" as offered in the opening paragraph.  This is classic 1950s McCarthy era language that made for great stories & the classic movie "Manchurian Candidate".  Was there ever reputable evidence that it actually meant something?  DEddy (talk) 03:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of "under control"? 

message: I realize that this article was moved. Why? It includes only people definitely identified as Soviet agents in multiple reliable sources (usually books), Western and Russian. Note that a lot of them are considered heroes in Russia. If there are concerns about sourcing any specific person, please tell who that is, and let's fix the problem. The list of people only accused of espionage would be much bigger. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 05:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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