Talk:Korean Buddhism

message: Acmuller, who had originally created this text (which he thereby licensed under the GFDL) now wants this article to be removed. He replaced the article text on September 30, 2004 by the following:
:To Wikipedia Editors:
:I have removed this entire article, as it is in copyright violation. I am the author of the original article, which is located at
::http://www.hm.tyg.jp/~acmuller/kor-bud/korbud-overview.html
:I have removed it in the past, and it was returned. Please do not return it. If someone would like to make a link to that article, fine, but do not roll back to this page.
:Charles Muller (acmuller@gol.com)
I'd just like to point out that since he licensed his own text under the GFDL, our use of it here on Wikipedia is quite legal, not infringing his copyright, and AFAIK he has no way of revoking that GFDL license.
I have thus reinstantiated the text. Lupo 11:20, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The text in our article has been written originally on August 15 and August 19, 2003, i.e. about 6 months before the archiving at www.archive.org took place. Acmuller has contacted Jimbo about this. See also my talk page. Lupo 12:34, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: You had better explain this in more detail. Acmuller uploaded his own text, and has thus re-licensed it under the GFDL. So cut the crap with "copyright violations". This is not a copyright violation at all. Lupo 09:35, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Ah, ok; I had missed that. Lupo 15:17, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanking 

message: I have done a pretty complete rewrite of this whole text, including the later developments after 1392, which Acmuller simply had cut off without moving them anywhere else (at least I didn't find it anywhere). I have been working from this revision of our text.
Basically, I have tried to:
*Remove redundancies and opinions.
*Summarized to some extent virtually all sections. I have tried not to drop information in the process, but sometimes I had to try to judge what was important and what was less so. For instance, in the "Unified Silla Period", I cut most of the diuscussion of Weonhyo's work and replaced it with a very brief summary. Most of his achievements are covered in Weonhyo anyway.
*I also removed some of the interspersed mini-biographies on various monks: these can go to separate articles on them.
*Added some of the Chinese names from the external link given, especially on red links or where they are not prominently given in the article pointed to. (Note: these are names, i.e. facts, i.e. information that cannot be copyrighted — one cannot copyright spelling, and thus this cross-import should be safe.)
*Replaced the intro with an abstract of what follows.
The text is now 26KB large, and, in my opinion, still contains most of the relevant facts.
Acmuller, could you please review the article to make sure I didn't inadvertently introduce factual errors or omit important things? After all, you are the expert, not me :-) Lupo 10:45, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: At the risk of missing something obvious: would you care to explain what the abbreviation "fl." is supposed to mean (as in "Beomnang (fl. 632-646)")? Lupo 14:17, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: This article could use a "literature references" section. If you could add one or two books (with ISBN, please), preferrably relatively easily accessible and understandable by the laypeople, that'd be great. Lupo 06:52, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Are there any differences in the acceptance and the development of Buddhism since 1945 between North Korea and South Korea, and if so, what's their nature? Lupo 11:24, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Some of the extlinks I added mention that Buddhism in Korea integrated some elements of the Shamanistic beliefs prevalent earlier. I think the article should elaborate a little bit on that topic, too. Lupo 11:32, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: A rewrite

message: Overall, the wording is a bit dense. It's not very interesting to the nonexpert. Someone should add a paragraph about how Korean Buddhism compares to other traditions in the modern context. Contrasting on points of belief about shunyata and the importance of different texts and practices would be useful. I edited for style. As an article, this is not ready for feature.
--Defenestrate 01:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Remarks about article style

message: In an attempt to address the objections I raised in the peer review page, I added an introduction section. This section should be revised and enlarged, and should explain why anyone would want to read the rest of the article.
--Defenestrate 01:46, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Added an introduction piece 

message: I've done as much proofing as I can but some paragraphs need more than a copy editor. The last 4 paragraphs of "Buddhism as state religion in the Goryeo period (918-1392)" don't seem neutral to me, and even less so is the paragraph in "Turbulence and Decline" dealing with Syngman Rhee. I don't know the facts well enough to even start to fix these. Zagloba 16:11, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy edit/NPV? 

message: The following groups, most of which have at least 1 % of the Korean population as adherents are not mentioned in this article: 
*Chogyejong
*Taigojong
*Chontaijong
*Mitajong
*Chongwhajong
*Kwanumjong
*Bulgyonwoi
*Won
*Ilkwando
*Hoa Hao
*Pophwa
*Yongwhagyo
Sarcelles 06:05, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Groups of Korean Buddhism not mentioned in this article 

message: There is an important Japanese punk rock/new wave group named "Korean Buddhist God" that is dedicated to talking about Korean Buddhism in a punk rock format.  The group is intellectually oriented.  What is the political response of the page's authors to a disambiguation?  I am not actually an expert on this band, so I only wrote a sub-stub.  I assume that there could be a clash in the tone of the two articles involved.  This is mainly just FYI.  Tx.--McDogm 16:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Korean Buddhist God: Music Group

message: I've added an NPOV tag to the Turbulence and Decline (1945-present) section. I feel the section could use a more neutral tone, as well as more citation. Generally, it needs to discuss facts...what has happened, with citation, and discuss opinions in the context of the views of certain groups or individuals, with citation....to say "so and so person feels that such and such is true [cite]" is better than to outright say "some people think such and such is true". I hope that makes sense.EvilPhoenix 01:42, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
I don't know a lot about the facts of the situation, but I tried to make this section be more cogent and less NPOV. It's still NPOV. The problem is that it attributes Buddhism's decline to malintent by Christians. Mr. Tan has an axe to grind with Christians, which is fine, but a bit of balance and fact would make the section more useful.
--Defenestrate 1 July 2005 21:49 (UTC)
:I took out a lot of the spurious claims, added more information and provided a reference.  If/when things are to be added back, the should be done with a reference.  uriah923(talk) 07:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: "led galvanized Koreans to defragmantize the Buddhist powers"???  AnonMoos 02:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What is this supposed to mean?

message: I removed the content recently added that distinguished between Buddhist relations with Protestants and Catholics in Korea as it was completely unsupported and unverifiable.  If the content is to be re-added, please do so with a reference.  uriah923(talk) 22:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protestant/Catholic distinction 

message: While the article mentions some of the philosophical differences it would be interesting to see some of the practical differences. What practices are unique to Korean Buddhism? Temple design? the practice of bowing, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.39.200.92 (talk) 23:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unique traditions and practices of Korean Buddhism

message: I would appreciate some help with the Kim Ho-shang article from a specialist. I also request assistance in integrating this key figure in their impact upon Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism.
The Gankyil symbol is a key polysemic teaching tool of the Dzogchenpa, the peak of the Nyingmapa and Bonpo: . I also know that the symbol has cultural relevance to Korea. I would appreciate any iconographic or symbolic assistance with information or citations etc, that anyone may render to progress this matter.
Blessings in the Mindstream
B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 08:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Master Kim, Kim Ho-shang, (Chin ho shang) 金和尚 

message: Protestant antagonism against their Buddhist neighbours in Korea is certainly there, but it's nowhere close to meriting the label 'persecution' as the 'Persecution' paragraph calls it. Besides, the paragraph uses one or two sources that have long been proven to be incorrect - mainly the one with the Korean Christian insulting a Buddhist monk (it was later found that the monk wasn't a Buddhist monk at all, and was a lowlife financing his drink-addled life with alms collected from real, honest Buddhists).
In light of this, I decided to make some changes to the paragraph, and basically make the paragraph less controversial and omit the reference to the source above. If anybody has concerns, they can talk to me. - 1tephania (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial Tone in the 'Persecution' section worrying 

message: The first sentence suggests that Korean Buddhism is unique among other Buddhist schools in its attempts to resolve internal inconsistencies. I believe this to be inaccurate.  There are abundant examples of this in Chinese and Tibet traditions.  Even going back into India, one could argue that the evolving schools were precisely formulated around the catalyst of attempting to resolve inconsistencies in philosophical ideas.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.46.189.10 (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistencies 

message: Recent research has revealed that Korean Buddhism was formative in the development of Tibetan Buddhism, especially during the Tang Dynasty (618–907). See Kapstein, Matthew T. (2002). "From Korea to Tibet: Action at a Distance in the Early Medieval World System" in The Tibetan Assimilation of Buddhism: Conversion, Contestation, and Memory. Oxford University Press. Shrigley (talk) 02:55, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on Tibetan Buddhism 

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