Talk:Fakir

message: I noticed that the section "In Bangladesh and India" had some serious grammatical issues and wanted to dive in and improve it, but then I realized I couldn't even understand what the author was trying to say. It's not really possible to rephrase something if you don't understand it. Would someone please help? Hoot (talk) 13:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, it appears the entire article needs a grammatical makeover. Where's an English-speaking Orientalist when you need one? :-) - Hoot (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as  someone with professional editorial experience, I entirely agree with you: you can't rephrase something if you don't understand what the author is trying to say. This is not helped in the case of the 'Bangladesh and India' section by the fact that everything there is unreferenced! It could all be original research. Simon Kidd (talk) 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Bangladesh and India 

message: Why do we have a lede picture with a caption that says "However, it is far more likely this depicts a Hindu sannyasi [...]"? I.e., why do we have as the lede picture an image of someone who is probably not a fakir? MrDemeanour (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a Fakir 

message: Substituted at 14:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The Intuitive experience of Monks, Fakirs, Yogis, others--toward Involution; A non-philosophical experience..Arnlodg (talk) 20:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be linked to a new main article--Practices and Ways 

message: Bad grammar, spelling and and punctuation have rendered some of the claims in this article incomprehensible. I will see if I can work out what is meant from the references; but if that fails, I will be deleting what appears to me be incorrigible nonsense. MrDemeanour (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad english 

message: The term has also been erroneously used to refer to Hindu and Buddhist ascetics (e.g., sadhus, gurus, swamis and yogis).[5]  
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Why erroneously? A Buddhist Ngagpa practitioner, a Sadhu, a Jain sky clad, these are all Faqeers as they all practice Faqr. Even the British orientalists agreed. It was only after the rise of Pakistani/Indian nationalism that (some) people suddenly objected. But that is like saying: the past (history) is erroneously (full of Errors), and there are people who argue like that. However in Wikipedia, there is no platform for such things. I will therefore remove the term erroneously, since it was/is the opinion of the editor and not part of the reference given.--37.24.146.76 (talk) 09:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do you means: Erroneously?  

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus   (t · c) buidhe 19:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fakir →  – Proper spelling etymologically, based on reliable sources, and per consistency with other Sufi concepts such as Haqiqa. Getsnoopy (talk) 23:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 03:58, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   I think the literature results primarily have to do with Indian sources (since the q is not well maintained in Hindi because people drop the nuqta, for example), but the Arabic sources will all show the q. In the same way that it isn't spelled kuran, hakika, kalam, yakin, al-Kaeda, etc., we should be favouring the etymologically correct faqir. Getsnoopy (talk) 04:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

text:  While "Kuran" and "Koran" exist as variants, they're variant spellings as a consequence of history. The transliteration of Arabic to English has more to do with etymology rather than English phonetics, which is why the Arabic ك (kaf) is transliterated as a "k", while the Arabic ق (qaf) is transliterated as a "q". In fact, no Arabic transliteration scheme uses a "k" for the qaf, but all of them use the "q". This is exactly the reason the WP article on the holy book uses the canonical spelling Quran, and not "Kuran" or "Koran"; I'd encourage you to read the discussions on the talk page of that article. Getsnoopy (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  But this completely overlooks the fact that most fakirs are Hindus and it is thus inappropriate to apply an Arabic/Islamic spelling. S a g a  C i t y (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   The lead sentence of the article goes completely against that claim. The article is primarily about the Islamic Sufi concept, not the common word that has been semantically borrowed into Indic languages to refer to anyone who's poor or some sort of mendicant. This is not to mention the fact that even if it were to be written in Indic languages like Hindi/Urdu, it is written with a nuqta () in the former or the qaf () in the latter, both of which would be transliterated as a "q". Getsnoopy (talk) 21:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

text: *Nominator's do not need to !vote separately. Srnec (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  That source is clearly using a distinct transliteration scheme where the qaf is transliterated as a "k" with a dot underneath, while the kaf is transliterated as a simple "k". Getsnoopy (talk) 06:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but as it is common to drop diacritics (like the underdot), there is nothing unusual about faḳīr becoming fakir (note the loss of the macron as well). Yes, it would result in no distinction in spelling between kaf and qaf (which, I suppose, is one reason most systems prefer to use q-without-u), but consistent scientific transliteration does not seem to be a desideratum at Wikipedia. None of our Abd al-Rahman articles, for example, start with ayin and the vast majority of article titles drop diacritics. Srnec (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 28 September 2020