Talk:Galadriel

message: Neither Celeborn nor Celebrían have their own pages; do they not meet the not ability criteria, or something else? It seems odd to have those names just redirect to the pages of their spouses. Cinnamingirl (talk) 02:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone renamed this article to "Galadriel and Celeborn" then someone else named it back.  Anyway, a lot of Tolkien-related stubs have been deleted recently, so now would probably not be the time to start a new Celeborn article... AnonMoos (talk) 22:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given that Celeborn redirects here, it would seem sensible to have his name in the title really. What do other editors think? Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel like that would escalate Celeborn's notability to seem roughly equal to that of Galadriel. It may be simpler to have a hatnote that says "Celeborn" redirects here. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 20:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree that the title of the article should be changed to include Celeborn. Unlike the sources I've seen in other couple-styled articles for the project, the vast majority of the secondary sources, both academic and popular ones, specifically discuss Galadriel, with Celeborn often mentioned in passing or deemed irrelevant. In certain media adaptations of LOTR, which many editors seem to emphasize as an indicator of notability due to the coverage they inevitably generate, he is omitted entirely; even Peter Jackson didn't bring him back for The Hobbit films. So the character's notability is not at all roughly equal to Galadriel, and I think there is a good reason why the casting for her role was the first one to be announced for the upcoming Amazon TV show adaptation with no mention of him. I propose opening up a section to including a discussion about The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, a chapter from part 2 of Unfinished Tales. This article currently lacks a creation and conception section, which could discuss the multiple unused iterations of Galadriel's backstory written behind-the-scenes by Tolkien, and that is where Celeborn could be discussed within the context of that chapter. The French and Spanish language versions are also rated as good articles and seem to have more coverage on their relationship so maybe we could take a look and see how they do it? However, it is likely Celeborn's role will be fleshed out and expanded for Amazon TV show, and by the time it premieres I believe there should be enough coverage from secondary sources to support splitting the character into a standalone article. Just to clarify, the fictional biography section should only contain the account of Galadriel's backstory as told in the Silmarillion. Any other supplemental material from published books like Unfinished Tales can go into the section I propose, as mixing them together may be confusing due to the sometimes contradictory version of events. Haleth (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I agree both that Celeborn needs more coverage (and that he'll likely get it via the TV series), and that there's scope for more on the couple from Unfinished Tales in a 'Concept and creation' section. That means that the plan is to create a Celeborn article as soon as there are sufficient Reliable Sources. Scholar finds over 500 possible sources for him, though many are evidently minor, so waiting seems best right now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only source I can see so far that specifically goes into detail about Celeborn is this one: The Celeblain of Celeborn and Galadriel, which does go into detailed analysis about the chapter from Unfinished Tales. Unlike a few articles I've recreated like Goldberry and Melian, I had been unable to find any reliable secondary sources covering Celeborn which would convincingly refute the consensus to merge as well as the opinions of any potential objectors. Haleth (talk) 12:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  We certainly can't recreate the article on the basis of that article alone, even if it weren't from the pre-peer-reviewed days of Mythlore. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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message: I don't easily see the right table syntax to add him, but shouldn't Eärendil be listed at least as spouse to Elwing in this chart? ashnazg (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: All Tolkien's trees are highly interconnected. We can't show everything in each one, and this one is already big. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eärendil ?