Talk:List of governors of New York

message: You forgot Levi. P. Morton, New York Governor [1895 to 1897] served as Vice-president of United States under Benjamin Harrison from 1889 to 1893. Jeffrey H. lynford67.87.43.228 09:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Unless something unbeliveable happens in the next 48 hours, Spitzer is going to be elected governor (I mean, 70% in the latest polls?) So since somebody else started putting him in the bottom box, I decided to finish it and save you guys the trouble.
He's not yet, though, and you shouldn't predict...wikipedia isn't about predicting, it's about stating facts!  Besides, people could be influenced by this false information when voting.
:Spitzer's been elected, yet he shouldn't be added to this list, until he takes office. GoodDay 23:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the list to reflect that Spitzer is not the Governor, he is the Governor-elect. Interested people should watch New York and other state articles, as there are many users who are mistakenly changing governors immediately. Rhobite 00:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not unique, there have been several special elections for Lt. Gov. (1811, 1847, 1943) see New York gubernatorial elections. The special election is held only if the office falls vacant in its first half of the term, on all other occasions and until the special election, the majority leader of the state senate becomes Acting Lt. Gov. Kraxler (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I know the old governor's term ends, and thus the new governor's term begins, at midnight, but do people actually take the oath of office then? - Matthew238 01:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These dates, don't match Governors of New York bio articles. GoodDay 23:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the official list of governors from the New York State official "Green Book" here. Could you give a couple of examples of discrepancies so I can check them out and make any needed adjustments? Newyorkbrad 23:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article for example, has terms ending in even numbered years- Wilson in 1974, Carey 1982, Cuomo 1994 & Pataki 2006. In bio articles- Malcolm Wilson (1975), Hugh Carey (1983), Mario Cuomo (1995) & George Pataki (2007), has their terms ending in odd numbered years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GoodDay (talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Green Book (which, oddly enough, is orange this year) give the terms ending in even-numbered years, as does the Governor's official website [here]. The biographical articles should probably be edited to match this table. Newyorkbrad 23:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. GoodDay 23:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed dates in the Pataki & Cuomo articles. Will continue corrections to other NY Governor bio articles, tomorrow. GoodDay 00:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Fixed all Governors & Lt.Governors of New York bio articles (concerning office tenure), beginning with Governor DeWitt Clinton & Lt.Governor John Taylor, tenures 1817-22. GoodDay 21:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HEH!, somebody went and messed up those tenure dates. GoodDay 23:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected them, full term Governor's tenures ended on [December 31] after that years' gubernatorial election. GoodDay 15:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Governor of New York and the other top officeholders in the state take the oath of office twice. Once at midnight, and once at noon on the first day of the year,.. This unsigned comment added above is not correct. The Governor-elect takes the oath of office sometimes as early as December 29, in fact on the last workday before the end of the year, and signs the papers in private at the Secretary of State's office. Thus he can take up his official duties at zero hour on January 1 without disturbing anybody. Later on this day, a public ceremony is held during which the now inaugurated Governor signs only an informal copy of the oath for press coverage. Kraxler (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Governor Spitzer

message: The Governor of New York and the other top officeholders in the state take the oath of office twice. Once at midnight, and once at noon on the first day of the year, as the old governor's term ends at the end of the previous year. So I've been changing the dates to end with even numbers.
Also, I made an interesting discovery. there was a special election for Lt. Governor in 1943. This, if true is entirely unique. As the job was technically vacant a number of times in recent years.
::: It is not unique, there have been several special elections for Lt. Gov. (1811, 1847, 1943) see New York gubernatorial elections. The special election is held only if the office falls vacant in its first half of the term, on all other occasions and until the special election, the majority leader of the state senate becomes Acting Lt. Gov. Kraxler (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the old governor's term ends, and thus the new governor's term begins, at midnight, but do people actually take the oath of office then? - Matthew238 01:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These dates, don't match Governors of New York bio articles. GoodDay 23:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the official list of governors from the New York State official "Green Book" here. Could you give a couple of examples of discrepancies so I can check them out and make any needed adjustments? Newyorkbrad 23:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article for example, has terms ending in even numbered years- Wilson in 1974, Carey 1982, Cuomo 1994 & Pataki 2006. In bio articles- Malcolm Wilson (1975), Hugh Carey (1983), Mario Cuomo (1995) & George Pataki (2007), has their terms ending in odd numbered years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GoodDay (talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Green Book (which, oddly enough, is orange this year) give the terms ending in even-numbered years, as does the Governor's official website [here]. The biographical articles should probably be edited to match this table. Newyorkbrad 23:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. GoodDay 23:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed dates in the Pataki & Cuomo articles. Will continue corrections to other NY Governor bio articles, tomorrow. GoodDay 00:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Fixed all Governors & Lt.Governors of New York bio articles (concerning office tenure), beginning with Governor DeWitt Clinton & Lt.Governor John Taylor, tenures 1817-22. GoodDay 21:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HEH!, somebody went and messed up those tenure dates. GoodDay 23:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected them, full term Governor's tenures ended on [December 31] after that years' gubernatorial election. GoodDay 15:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Governor of New York and the other top officeholders in the state take the oath of office twice. Once at midnight, and once at noon on the first day of the year,.. This unsigned comment added above is not correct. The Governor-elect takes the oath of office sometimes as early as December 29, in fact on the last workday before the end of the year, and signs the papers in private at the Secretary of State's office. Thus he can take up his official duties at zero hour on January 1 without disturbing anybody. Later on this day, a public ceremony is held during which the now inaugurated Governor signs only an informal copy of the oath for press coverage. Kraxler (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: Please. Let's wait until March 17, 2008 before we list Spitzer as 'out of office' & Paterson as Governor. A lot could happen, between now & then. GoodDay (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Paterson was sworn in around 1:13pm EST. -Electricbolt (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Governor Spitzer impending resignation

message: There is no such thing as an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" under the current State Constitution (I don't know about earlier State Constitutions). If there's no Lieutenant Governor, the "temporary president of the senate" performs the duties, but does not hold the office, of Lieutenant Governor. Nobody in New York is referring to Joseph Bruno as "Acting Lieutenant Governor". Interpreting the "temporary president of the senate" to mean "Acting Lieutenant Governor" is original research. I'm not being picky. When it comes to gubernatorial succession, the "temporary president of the senate" is very different from the Lieutenant Governor. Also, it's disputed whether the "temporary president of the senate" can cast a tiebreaking vote in the State Senate, even though a Lieutenant Governor expressly has this authority. I have corrected the article to eliminate any reference to an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" past 1938. --SMP0328. (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: No "Acting Lieutenant Governors"

message: This is an otherwise nice article, but why are there two different citation styles, each with their own citation list in different locations? I don't see a compelling reason to use a separate style from the standard . --Cmprince (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the devs have not yet supplied us suitably with multiple classes of references. Footnotes and citations are different things, and this is the only method available to do that. (At present, you can use multiple classes of references, but they cannot be nested; i.e. a ref cannot call another ref, which would be required to cite the footnotes.) If we combined them, then how do we properly cite a footnote, apart from just cluttering them all together? --Golbez (talk) 20:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation styles mixed up? 

message: Was there a governor's office in colonial New York? Who held it, if so? How were they appointed? The article for Governor Clinton says he was the first "elected" governor, not the first governor. MrZaiustalk 03:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: No colonial governors?

message: The state constitution of 1777 for New York is VERY clear that when there is a vacancy of Governor the Lt. Governor becomes ACTING governor and is NOT the governor. We should reflect that in the list. Tayler was never GOVERNOR, he was acting governor. They got it right on the wikipedia article on his life, it should be corrected here. On that article they also have a quote and explanation showing why he was not governor. Camelbinky (talk) 00:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The intro mentions it; the table mentions it. What more is needed? --Golbez (talk) 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The governor lists all list acting governors in the list, with a footnote saying so, and with a blank number if they are not officially numbered. --Golbez (talk) 03:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting Governor is not the same as Governor 

message: can it be changed to reality?  something like "New York State Governor" of "Governor of the State of New York"?--98.116.115.220 (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused. It's a list. Of the governors of New York. How is that misleading? It has no information except a list of governors, and information on the ways one becomes governor, and how long they serve for. An article on the office is different than the article on the list. --Golbez (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the anon is confused between New York, the state, and New York, the city. In common speech, which one is meant is often specified. However, being that New York City doesn't have a governor (other than the state's) but a mayor, and the official title of the office is Governor of New York, the current title is exactly correct. oknazevad (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  title of article "List of Governors of New York" is misleading  

message: Sheldon Silver was never Acting Lt. Gov. During the leadership crisis, he was for a short time recognized as the "next-in-line-of-succession" to the governorship while a lower court judge barred temporarily both Malcolm Smith and Pedro Espada. Being next-in-line does not make the Speaker Acting Lt. Gov. He remains the Speaker of the State Assembly! The Speaker would not preside over the State Senate or cast tie-breaking votes therein. The Speaker would become Acting Governor in case of a vacancy, but would continue to preside over the Assembly. I hope this clarifies the issue. Please do not add Silver to this list anymore. Kraxler (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheldon Silver  

message: Ok, these two men are the only N.Y. governors with no portrait (see here). -AMK152(t • c)  05:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nathaniel Pitcher]] and [[John Young (governor)|John Young]]

message: I'm concerned about the distinction in content being made between this article and the Governor of New York article, as it applies to the lead paragraph and infobox. It does appear that much of the body of this article (the prose) is appropriate to this page, however the lead paragraph duplicates the aforementioned other article, and appears irrelevent to (or redundant on) this page, which is intended to speak about the lineage of individuals who have held the governor's post. The infobox also seems more appropriate on the Governor of New York article (and I have therefore added it there), as it is the page that illuminates the basic role and duties of the governor.
These two items combined, appearing on this page, might cause a reader to initially find it difficult to distinguish this article from the Governor of New York article. A good example of two articles that appropriately distinguish themselves from each other would be Governor of Massachusetts and List of Governors of Massachusetts. Perhaps starting the lead paragraph with "This is a list of Governors of New York" and going from there would help better articulate the distinct encyclopedic intentions of each article. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks! Sinisterminister (talk) 08:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, I think this also might clarify the question asked previously by 98.116.115.220 (talk) in "title of article "List of Governors of New York" is misleading". Sinisterminister (talk) 08:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

text: FL style has long abandoned "this is a list of". Lists are not misfits, they are intended to stand on their own merits just as articles do, and no article starts with "this is an article about". I've removed the infobox and linked to the parent article in the header. The lead paragraph is necessary to establish context; you cannot list what something is without giving the reader at least a bare impression of what it is (though perhaps it goes into too much detail [which is to say, any detail] about the governor's powers.) And seeing how I wrote it, I would posit that the other article is duplicating this one, not the other way around. :) However, as I see it at present, the other article doesn't stand on its own. It looks like a good 80% of its content is ripped from here. The two might benefit from a merger, a la Governor of Colorado. --Golbez (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you agree with me. I'm with you 100% about the content of the second and third lead paragraphs, and was actually concerned about the first paragraph, which exactly repeated the Governor of New York lead. From which article it was initally "ripped" was not my initial concern, so I apologize if I made it sound like I was calling your work a "misfit". In any case, I am now glad to read that you are partially the reason for this gold star I see in the top right corner! Anyway, I wasn't sure how to properly edit the lead, which is why I asked. And merger or not, lets see if we can first distinguish the parent from its list, as I agree the list should certainly stand on its own, for all its great work :) I would be glad to help. Sinisterminister (talk) 09:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriateness of introductory paragraph and infobox 

message: Martin Van Buren resigned on March 12, 1829. That's what the sources, which were published at the time of the event, say. See for example: The Annals of Albany published by Joel Munsell (Albany, 1855; pg. 183); I doubt that a local newspaper could err the date of an event like that. Or also: Edward M. Shepard's bio of Van Buren (1888), I doubt that somebody would publish a bio with a wrong date. Or Jabez D. Hammond's Political History of New York (1846), and the Biographical Directory of the United States Executive Branch. The alleged "source" which says March 5, is a modern copy-edit, which bases the date on the appointment as Secretary of State, or just copied the erroneous date from Wikipedia... Just think about it, back in 1829, Jackson appointed Van Buren as Secretary of State on March 5. How long the news would take to arrive at Albany, without telephone, telegraph or internet? By letter, on hoseback, a few days at least, and then Van Buren still took a few days to wrap up his governor's business to get ready to have it taken over by Throop. It's simple to understand, or isn't it? By the way, Van Buren was nominated on March 5, confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 6, and took office in Washington on March 28, as the Martin Van Buren Wikipedia article correctly informs. Kraxler (talk) 10:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Van Buren's resignation 

message: Skelos, Smith, and Espada were never Lieutenant Governors. What evidence or sources supported their inclusion? Jd2718 (talk) 14:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Majority Leader of the New York State Senate, "The Temporary President of the State Senate becomes Acting Lieutenant Governor for the remainder of the unexpired term in case of a vacancy in the office of lieutenant governor.". Is that incorrect? --Golbez (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The current wording in the State Constitution is "for the duration of such vacancy" instead of "for the remainder of the term". But the constitution is quite clear on the subject. See here: "In case of vacancy in the office of lieutenant-governor alone, or if the lieutenant-governor shall be impeached, absent from the state or otherwise unable to discharge the duties of office, the temporary president of the senate shall perform all the duties of lieutenant-governor during such vacancy or inability." Kraxler (talk) 17:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The language is clear. "Perform the duties of" rather than "become" or "temporarily assume the office." I am deleting them. Jd2718 (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The language is clear enough, they act as lieutenant governors. That's long standing consensus, and previous versions of the Constitutions had different wordings. To do a new hair-splitting interpretation is not helpful. Kraxler (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The hair-splitting is in the OR that let this stand for so long. There's a reason that no reliable source says what this list does. Jd2718 (talk) 01:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Wicks Is Acting Lieutenant Governor? Or this which says At that time Senator Bruno became acting lieutenant governor. and Senator Dean Skelos...became majority leader, temporary senate president, and acting lieutenant governor. (near the bottom of page 678). Kraxler (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Acting Lieutenant Governors"? 

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message: In the list of other offices held by Governors, Theodore Roosevelt is shown as having become  Vice-President, which he did; six months or so  after which he became PRESIDENT, when McKinley was assassinated. That fact should be incorporated in your list.  It is a VERY good list throughout.  Thanks.  Katharine Wilson Conroy  47.22.137.78 (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It does mention that he was president? --Golbez (talk) 20:17, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Governors of New York Sate 

message: The governor's term of office starts at midnight on 1 January and ends at the last second of 31 December (1 Jul/30 Jun before 1820). So the calculation of time in office should be inclusive of both of those dates. So (for example), Mario Cuomo and George Pataki both served 12 years 0 days in office, not 11 years 364 days. I don't think I have sufficient expertise to fix the coding in the table, but maybe somebody else could?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayZed (talk • contribs) 09:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct. If there is no objection, I’ll update the chart to reflect the correct math. —Coemgenus (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

text: I'm here to report that the math is still showing the durations the way JayZed said. I would fix it if I knew how. --Keeves (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I figured out how to fix it: In the "ayd" section, just add one date to the date they left office. This "ayd" line will not affect the display of his first and last days in office; it only affect the calculation of how long. Therefore, for Pataki, for example, change |rowspan="3"|  to |rowspan="3"|   I am going to do this now. I hope I get it right. --Keeves (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Okay, done. If anyone sees errors, please fix. Thanks. --Keeves (talk) 03:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calculation of time in offce 

message: I don't see how it's relevant to know the exact number of days someone spent in office, especially when so many are exactly 2 years. (and are, in fact, calculated incorrectly, since the template can only subtract days but has no knowledge of the midnight-to-midnight posting) The ones that served less are easily noted by election column and the why-the-left bit which I'm working on adding in a moment. So I won't push on this at this moment, but when I get these other columns up to snuff I would like to revisit the time-in-office bit. --Golbez (talk) 19:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  re time in office 

message: ab: ^ Cuomo resigned due to allegations of sexual harassment.[6]
Due to should be because of, which is correct grammar and usage.  Of course, I'm just an anonymous contributor and will defer to the official Wikipedia editors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.85.24 (talk) 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notelist:  Andrew Cuomo's Resignation 

message: the same result can be achieved by the reader by sorting the correct column of the List of governors of New York page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I boldly redirected the new list to this one. Indeed, this list is sortable and is well-cited (as a featured list), so there's not really much to merge aside from perhaps a few additional citations, which are accessible in the redirect's history if desired. ComplexRational (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[List of governors of New York by time in office]] into [[List of governors of New York]] 

message: Does anyone know when the midnight thing started? The article presently says early terms ended June 30 and the next term began July 1, but that's not backed up by anything, and I think whoever did that assumed the midnight rule applied back then. I'm right now operating on the assumption that it started mattering when they went to a January 1 inauguration, but if anyone has any hard info that'd be great. --Golbez (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midnight 

message: All modern sources say that Reuben Fenton took office on January 1, 1865. I even found a source from as far back as 1910 saying this:  --- except, wait a second. That source says "Monday, January 1, 1865". January 1, 1865 was a Sunday. And I think this mistake has been repeated forever, because every contemporary news source I've found on newspapers.com says he was inaugurated at noon on Monday, January 2 (example: ) And from what I can tell, the constitution in effect at the time did not specify the start date of the term, so unless someone can find some source that says that, by law, the governor-elect became governor on Janaury 1 automatically, then I think we need to shift Reuben Fenton's start date to January 2. --Golbez (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooh, I found an interesting one from 1921:  "Judge Miller took the informal oath of office late [Dec 31] ... in order that the state would not be without a governor between midnight tonight when Governor Smith's term expired, and noon tomorrow when the formal oath of office will be administered" At least this particular newspaper thinks the term ended right at midnight and ... I guess an interregnum? Presumably they don't think it passed down the line of succession. --Golbez (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  More January 1 shenanigans 

message: The new table largely recreated the main table, listing names, terms, parties, and sources, while adding a single new datapoint of length of term. This is a lot of effort for a single datapoint. And my personal feeling is, it's not an important datapoint. It doesn't really add anything to an understanding of the subject beyond what the main table does. But I don't own the article, so I'm simply making my argument. --Golbez (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  re 'length of term' table