Talk:List of freeware first-person shooters

message: I mean, you take .kkrieger on the list as a full game (it is only 100k). Is the JavaScript version of Wolfenstein 3D (aka Wolfenstein 5K) also a full first-person shooter then?
BTW, Starsiege: Tribes requires a CD-key. Ergo, you have to pay, with time. (to wait for the guys to produce new CD-keys (it says so on the page))
Then a lot of other games is also free, you just have to get an account first.
Doesn't make sense.
--80.63.213.182
* Starsiege Tribes does not require any CD key to play nor does it have any copy protection. Only Tribes 2 has a CD key and account check. CheapAlert 23:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a full game? 

message: I would like to ask if a beta of a standalone game would be aloud here
NO betas
:If it's notable and verifiable, it shouldn't matter if it is a beta or not. MarašmusïneTalk 09:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standalone games betas? 

message: I propose that we do not include server/client based "free to play" games, in which only the client is freely downloadable. "Free to play" isn't the same as Freeware; if you don't have the server software, then you only have half the software. Such models are typically associated with micropayments, anyway. Marasmusine (talk) 10:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed the "freeware clients" section. Is there a reason it's there? Perhaps we should add World of Warcraft as well, because you can download the client just fine; it's just that you can't play the game without paying. Seriously though, is there a reason for not removing that section? --Lijnema (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean. As you say, you can't run the WoW client without paying (that, and it's not an FPS). The games listed here are free to play, with optional microtransactions. I'd rather not have them listed at all, for the reasons I gave above. But I figured the seperate "freeware clients" sections is a fair compromise. Marasmusine (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Server/Client models

message: This game does not state on its front page that it is freeware but it is freeware. Here is the link to it http://acidarenaweb.free.fr/ . Acetylcholine 23:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Acetylcholine, I saw you re-added several games but this time with external links. I've reverted this because unfortunately these game lists tend to get filled up with spam/advertising in the form of external links. One measure we've introduced is to not allow external links at all, only links to Wikipedia articles. Think of the list as a form of wiki-navigation. You could have a go at making a stub article for the games you think should be in the list, bearing in mind our WP:Verifiability policy and WP:Notability guideline. Thanks, MarašmusïneTalk 07:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I will try to make articles about each of them according to Wikipedia guidelines. Acetylcholine 13:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Acid Arena isn't even legal. It bundles Quake3's assets, and it itself is derived from Quake3's assets, and distributes it all for users without quake3 intending it as its own game (and has been doing this before the source release as well). Leileilol 06:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Excellent, drop me a note on my talk page if you need any help! MarašmusïneTalk 14:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acid Arena 

message: Should Allegiance be here?  It's a space sim but it's first person.
It's a team based combat game. Theres also this too, freealleg wiki
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.php/Allegiance
WiskyGhost (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance 

message: Is not included in this list. Americas Army 3 is, however, the games are totally different, different engines etc. 3 is not an upgrade of 2 by any means. However according to the guidelines set above, perhaps it wouldn't be included as maybe its no longer an active project? However i'm not sure that's true, as it might still receive updates. Should we include it?
However Americas Army 2, is a direct improvement on Americas Army 1. 220.233.41.31 (talk) 17:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americas Army 2 

message: Apophis was recently added to the list, but since it is a newly started project, its website has zero content about the game itself, and since there are no files whatsoever, I feel that it should be deleted from the list, seeing as it is currently nothing more than a gamedesign, thus meaning that currently it is not a "Free first-person shooter". Can anyone clarify the reasons of this game being on the List of free first-person shooters? -Moosedor 17:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apophis (game) is currently being proposed for deletion. If no-one contests it, and it is deleted, then we can remove it from this list. I agree that it doesn't seem particularly notable. Marasmusine 17:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apophis 

message: Would this qualify? It's in closed beta, with no word of an open beta soon, and it requires payments to get certain things.
I don't really want to see any game on this list that involves real-life money in any way whatsoever (except for developers asking for donations...) Marasmusine (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With server/client based games, be wary that "Free to play" is not the same as Freeware. Is the entirity of the software available free of charge, or is it just the client? If the latter, it shouldn't be on this list. Marasmusine (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: You download it free of charge and you can play it free of charge, it's pretty much like Quake Live except downloadable, though with what you explained, most of the games on that list shouldn't be there either. Not trying to be awkward, just a Heroes nut trying to understand why Heroes was removed in the first place when it was on this list for months in the first place ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.247.128.164 (talk) 11:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battlefield Heroes 

message: First time suggesting anything here, but would Battlefield's limited demo qualify for this list ? It allows access to one gamemode and two maps, but is unlimited in every other sense.
:Because it's a demo of a larger version, I'd say no. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.26.131.217 (talk) 00:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battlefield 2142 

message: Would Black Shades qualify for this list? It's free, has a singleplayer 'campaign', and the way I see it, should be added to the list. On the other hand, it feels rather basic and more of a gameplay demonstration/test than anything else.
: I really would like to keep all games out of this list that don't already have their own page on Wikipedia. --Lijnema 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thats an arbitrary prerequisite to base inclusion in the list on, perhaps you should consider renaming this list as List of free first-person shooters that have pages on wikipedia? Htaccess 06:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Shades 

message: Can someone prove this is a FPS and not a 3rd person... if not then it has to be gone. Sassan May 22, 2006
* Yes.  Play the game, and you'll see that it is definitely a first person game.  The camera is in the tank, not behind it. Chief1983 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not remove BZFlag from the list without good reason. It is a first-person shooter (it's even categorized as one in Wikipedia's list of fps's), just because it doesn't involve being a human with free aim doesn't mean it's not an FPS. CheapAlert 22:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BZFLAG

message: Why was this deleted--66.8.238.104 03:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Close Quarter Combat

message: D-Day: Normandy seems to require a FilePlanet subscription so you'll have to pay to be able to download it. Is it still free then? // Liftarn 12:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  D-Day: Normandy 

message: What happened to dispatch of army? Why was it removed? I dont see any reason why it should have been.
I put is back--LizardPariah 03:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispatch of Army

message: Exteel is a Third Person Shooter...not a First Person Shooter...can someone get it off the list? 72.191.105.84 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Exteel

message: Whiel the website didn't seem to definitely say, this appears to be a free expansion to F.E.A.R., not a standalone, in which case it shouldn't be listed.  Does anyone know for sure? Ace of Sevens 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fear Combat

message: I added Hidden & Dangerous, but I know nothing about it.  Please someone improve the entry. Ace of Sevens 20:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden & Dangerous 

message: It seems fairly notable to be a game centered entirely upon making money - or loosing it. Even though it's in the beta phase, would it still qualify for inclusion ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.182.133 (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kwari

message: Legends looks like a good candidate for inclusion in this list, it uses the Torque Game Engine, and is similar to tribes2, it does however still appear to be a beta, I have not played it yet, can someone who has comment on its maturity.
:Is it notable? MarašmusïneTalk 07:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the whole notability thing incredibly subjective, I prefer to ask the question "is it useful to a significant number of people"? To answer your question, yes I think it probably is notable but as I haven't evaluated it carefully I'm not sure. Obviously according to the (hopefully newly defined) criteria for inclusion it doesn't have an article yet, so I will create one (and probably have to argue with the notability police) before adding it. Htaccess 07:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, to put it another way, Wikipedia only reports what has already been reported by secondary sources. If Legends: The Game has had any kind of review or article from a reliable source then let's get a stub written for it and pop it in the list. Now I've had a quick look and can only see directory entries like this, but perhaps you know of something more substantial. MarašmusïneTalk 18:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If it's so unquestionably notable, why doesn't it have its own article? There was one, but it was deleted because there was nothing indicating notability. Just complaining doesn't really do anything. If you really want to see the game on the list here, why not make the article, make sure it has something that asserts notability (see the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines). Then add it to the list. --Lijnema (talk) 09:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I still don't see what makes Legends so special that it has to be on the list, and I personally think having a Wikipedia article (or passing WP:N) is a good criteria. I also think keeping alpha/beta games out of the list is good, and despite what you've written, Legends is still in beta. --Lijnema (talk) 09:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Lots of games exist, I think the list would spiral out of control if existance was the only criteria. What would you say is the problem with having notability as a criteria for inclusion in the list? --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Please read Wikipedia's notability guildelines to understand the concept of notability as it is used within Wikipedia. --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: My point was that more forum members doesn't mean more notable. --Lijnema (talk) 12:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Legends (computer game)|Legends]] 

message: What about the Marathon series? The Aleph One (computer game) project is free... Alphax τεχ 15:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marathon (computer game series)]] 

message: Excellent page.
Why not add Open Arena ? (free implementation of Quake III based on the real Quake III engine) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Djib (talk • contribs) 21:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's way too beta for this page. Didn't this article have a NO ALPHAS/BETAS policy? Leileilol 04:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well in a way yes beacause there are not many levels, but the engine is excellent and the game is already quite popular. --djib 22:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Arena 

message: i dont know why "penumbra" is on this list of "freeFIRST PERSON SHOOTERS" when even the description states that penumbra is a free first person horror adventure game. I'm thinking it should be removed. Am i right?--Dylan Mather 22:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penumbra 

message: I dont see a reason why Purge should be removed.--LizardPariah 03:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purge 

message: I added sauerbraten to the list. used mostly prewritten resources from wikipedia and the sauerbraten homepage.
--Dylan Mather 22:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sauerbraten 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage:_The_Battle_for_Newerth
this should be on the list as it was made free after initial release date.
:agreed Htaccess 06:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Savage 

message: As far as I can tell, this game isn't free, because I went to the homepage and there was no client download.
:The game is free.--LizardPariah 03:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The project is dead, according to their forums, and the link leads to the Clancore homepage, not the SS2845 page. Topic on Clancore forums  -Drak Swordsman 11:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Starseige 2845

message: Broken Link to Sierra Starseige Tribes download, this link is broken...Dylan Mather 16:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the link by removing the sierra links and puting in a fileplanet one. Thanks for the spot Dylan Mather. Cpuwhiz11 00:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribes 

message: Why not add Enemy Territory : True Combat to this list. It is just an Enemy Territory total conversion MOD but it makes it a totally different game :) --djib 01:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: games need to be fully stand alone and out of beta to be included on the list, total conversions don't  qualify unfortunately. Htaccess 05:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TrueCombat: Elite

message: Is the anoucement good enough to add urban terror to the list, or should we wait too add it? 67.35.191.241 05:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Terror 

message: can the game warrock be added to this list?
Someone should remove the "and is very fun to play" part. That's not a neutral point of view. It's an opinion.
Warrock fits the requirements of this page. It is free, and will remain free (Although a commercial version will come out, so it will be somewhat like Wolfenstien: Enemy Territory). I admit it is still being developed, but other games on this list are also in development (America's Army, for example, is still releasing new versions of itself). I would like to see Warrock back on there.
Ah, and on a side note, I'm not sure that the screenshots are appropriate for this. They seem more like advertisements, and the actual games look little or nothing like how their screenshot makes them look.
:I notice Lijnema has removed Warrock, Lijnema could you please give your reasons for the removal, ie which criteria does it not satisfy? We are in the process of hammering out the definitive criteria for inclusion so please contribute to that as well. Thanks Htaccess 21:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed War Rock because although there is a free version, it is crippled. So it's not any more free than any shareware game. --Lijnema 22:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Warrock does have paid features, however you can earn in game currency through playing and getting kills. Buying currency with real money simply allows you to get better weapons faster than if you played for it. It meets all of the criteria mentioned above, being freely downloadable from warrock.net, has a wikipedia page, is an active project, is not a beta or a alpha, and is not a total conversion mod. So I have to say I disagree and I think warrock should be included with a note that some features are crippled for paid users. Nn123645 02:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If everything you can get everything you can pay for through in-game methods without paying as well, then I agree. From the website I got a different impression, but if you can get everything without paying I'd agree. --Lijnema 07:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't get everything in the free version.  There is only a handful of maps, and weapons available.  Plus clan support will not be available in the free version.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.134.74 (talk) 04:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Gamespot's review of the game "When you combine this system with real-world money, it's hard to shake the feeling that you didn't buy a mediocre game as much as you invested in a shady pyramid scheme. The retail version of War Rock includes a nice set of maps, a couple of cheap dog tags, and a few in-game goodies, like the mostly pointless M134 minigun. But you also get a free one-month subscription to the game--which makes you wonder exactly what you are subscribing to. As it turns out, signing up with your credit card earns you XP bonuses, a monthly allotment of dinar, the ability to create password-protected servers, or even another weapon slot, depending on which service you subscribe to. You can even purchase in-game currency with real money. But when you pay, you aren't paying for the game or the privilege of playing: You're paying either to gain an advantage because you get the good weapons, or to access features you'd expect to already be included in an online FPS. And in some cases, you're paying for features that don't work." http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/warrock/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review . I don't know what improvements have been made since feburaury, when the review was written, but at that time the free and paid versions had negligible differences. Nn123645 20:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't really want to see any game on this list that involves real-life money in any way whatsoever  (except for developers asking for donations...) Marasmusine (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: War Rock

message: Removing this because the higher-end weapons/equipment require points you have to buy to get. --Lijnema (talk) 11:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolf Team 

message: Quake Live  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.239.164.5 (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quake Live 

message: I added xoperations to the list. I also added multiple links because the game is made by Japanese developers, and the majority of people that are going to look at this dont read/speak japanese so i felt it nessecary to include my X operations page (http://xoperations.freehostia.com and also included a russian page, though im not nessecarily sure how useful it will be. Please leave the english one as it is an obvious neccesity.
--Dylan Mather 23:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X Operations 

message: why they were deleted form the list what gives?
: Yes, Digital Paintball is a great game. BUT, according to various people, it isn't notable enough. The article on Digital Paintball was deleted. (Personally, I think it is notable enough) --wj32 talk | contribs 01:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those stupid wiki fascists —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.77.43.169 (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axian Quake and Didgital Paintball 

message: Namely: Cellfactor:Revolution, Control monger, Dispatch of Army, Kingsborn, NTE: Strike and Retrieve, Realm Wars, Wulfram and War Rock. Direct links to there official webpages have been added and i hope that it is enough to assert there verifiability as all of them state that they are Freeware and this is what this article is about. I could not find any other source for them apart from Freewaregames.net and i do not think that it should get any priority over the game's original webpages if they are present. I added direct links because my last edit was removed. Acetylcholine 23:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, i wasted my time on finding and entering above entries, only War Rock and Cellfactor: Revolution were verfiable and worthed to be mentioned, there would still be some doubts over Cellfactor!!! I am still in learning phase, will be careful next time. Acetylcholine 14:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New games added to the list with there links to make them verifiable 

message: === NPOV? ===
Should this page be edited for closer to NPOV?  I'm seeing things like "beautiful effects" and "great graphics and gameplay" and wondering if these should be reworded.
:I had the exact same response.  It reads like a giant ad.  An article describing why people distribute free games would be encyclopedic, and should probably be at Free first-person shooter to follow naming conventions.  If this is just going to list games, then it should be at List of free first-person shooters or possibly just turned into a category.  In any case, something needs to be done about its tone. - BanyanTree 15:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Member 21:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aww, you pathological pedants! They're free, no one's ripping you off if you go and download one :P --Sigmundur 21:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd like that too. I was confused because of the disambiguity of the word "free". I had hoped to find Free Software games here. Geronimooo 21:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

text: agreed Htaccess 06:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requests for Improvements 

message: Should this page be edited for closer to NPOV?  I'm seeing things like "beautiful effects" and "great graphics and gameplay" and wondering if these should be reworded.
:I had the exact same response.  It reads like a giant ad.  An article describing why people distribute free games would be encyclopedic, and should probably be at Free first-person shooter to follow naming conventions.  If this is just going to list games, then it should be at List of free first-person shooters or possibly just turned into a category.  In any case, something needs to be done about its tone. - BanyanTree 15:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Member 21:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aww, you pathological pedants! They're free, no one's ripping you off if you go and download one :P --Sigmundur 21:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: I had hoped to be able to tell which if any of these games are opensource. In todays world of trojans and  spyware, having source available is a prerec for installing software.. so could we add license info to the list? maybe OSI approved, Closed but free to play, Closed but free for non-comercial, etc etc?
:I'd like that too. I was confused because of the disambiguity of the word "free". I had hoped to find Free Software games here. Geronimooo 21:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free software vs. freeware 

message: The size of bynary files should be in the bynaries measures. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix
And spread the word please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.136.33.130 (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MB is wrong 

message: I think we need to make it clear which games are singleplayer or multiplayer. "War Rock" was the game that bothered me the most, because even on its own page it didn't state this. I dont know enough about the field to fill in these gaps myself -- all I know is that I dont like multiplayer shooters so dont want to bother downloading them. Robinoke 17:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed Htaccess 06:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singleplayer / Multiplayer 

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replies: text: But that would give the impression that the only criteria would be that whoever was editing at the time had to like the game(s), and that's not right. It would also give the impression that the list was owned by someone, which again wouldn't be suitable. If you really wanted a rename I guess "List of notable free first-person shooters" would be a possibility, but the notion of notability is kind of implicit in most lists of this kind. Hope this helps, have a nice day. --Lijnema (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "notable" goes without saying. It's a list of free FPSs that have wikipedia articles; it's a navigation tool rather than a directory of every FPS game that exists. Marasmusine (talk) 08:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  Still just a list that the people editing wikipedia like. Only notalble to the editor. There are lots of games more popular and notable not on your list, because you never heard of them. As I have never heard of some of the games on your list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.74.105 (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, only notable per the wikipedia guidelines on notability. --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other 

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message: This should be named "Your List of free first person shooters that you like", get real and make a real list of Free FPS. Or take this page down!   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.74.105 (talk) 16:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But that would give the impression that the only criteria would be that whoever was editing at the time had to like the game(s), and that's not right. It would also give the impression that the list was owned by someone, which again wouldn't be suitable. If you really wanted a rename I guess "List of notable free first-person shooters" would be a possibility, but the notion of notability is kind of implicit in most lists of this kind. Hope this helps, have a nice day. --Lijnema (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "notable" goes without saying. It's a list of free FPSs that have wikipedia articles; it's a navigation tool rather than a directory of every FPS game that exists. Marasmusine (talk) 08:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  Still just a list that the people editing wikipedia like. Only notalble to the editor. There are lots of games more popular and notable not on your list, because you never heard of them. As I have never heard of some of the games on your list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.74.105 (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, only notable per the wikipedia guidelines on notability. --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When do you plan to have a real list of FREE FPS ????? 

message: I don't think this should be in this article. People who are looking for free first person shooters are not likely to be searching for engines too. I do believe, however, that this section should have it's own page, once more information is gathered on the subject. 216.243.131.12 00:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't think the "Free first-person shooter game engines" section belongs in this article

message: Games that are fully licensed under the GNU GPL such as OpenArena are considered free software rather than freeware. Freeware implies that the software is gratis, but not open source. The article should use a more open word to express that the games are free in price, and not necessarily freeware (although some games on this page are prorietary). 98.114.46.118 (talk) 01:08, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate Article Title

message: ===Ch ch ch ch changes===
I'm converting this list to an actual list (in table format). I'm hoping this will cut down on the original research and promotional tone used in some of these entries. MarašmusïneTalk 15:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated above, this list is for standalone games, not mods.  --Noerrorsfound 10:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Instead of complaining to some non-existant authority, why not remove the entry with something like "rm AssultCube. It's a mod, not a full game" in the edit summary? Perhaps a note on the talk page about the reasons for the removal if you want to be extra super careful. --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AssaultCube does not require the original Cube game to play, so it qualifies as a full game because it is standalone. In contrast, TrueCombat:Elite will refuse to run if you don't have Enemy Territory installed. --Noerrorsfound (talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Done. What is the concensus about adding games to this list that offer optional micropayments for additional game content? Marasmusine (talk) 10:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: In any event, its against our guidelines to directly link to software downloads - see WP:EL. You might want to check those links with respect to  WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided, too. We would normally only link to the official page, for example. Marasmusine (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of Changes 

message: I'm converting this list to an actual list (in table format). I'm hoping this will cut down on the original research and promotional tone used in some of these entries. MarašmusïneTalk 15:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ch ch ch ch changes

message: Hi, I have done a fairly major reorg of the structure of the talk page, I tried not to change anyones contributions too much. I hope that its easier to navigate now. Htaccess 06:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page reorganization 

message: Why isn't "TrueCombat: Elite"  included on this list? --Merrick79 18:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated above, this list is for standalone games, not mods.  --Noerrorsfound 10:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Instead of complaining to some non-existant authority, why not remove the entry with something like "rm AssultCube. It's a mod, not a full game" in the edit summary? Perhaps a note on the talk page about the reasons for the removal if you want to be extra super careful. --Lijnema (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AssaultCube does not require the original Cube game to play, so it qualifies as a full game because it is standalone. In contrast, TrueCombat:Elite will refuse to run if you don't have Enemy Territory installed. --Noerrorsfound (talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TrueCombat: Elite 

message: someone please add this, I'm not familiar with wiki http://www.battlefield-heroes.com/ 99.191.74.209 (talk) 08:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. What is the concensus about adding games to this list that offer optional micropayments for additional game content? Marasmusine (talk) 10:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Battlefield heroes

message: I jumped in and added download links. I gave preference to the download page on the official site, and turned to file hosting providers if I couldn't find one quickly. Also, I really do think a link to a download page is more useful than one to the file itself, since that is less likely to break/become outdated. Many webmasters seem to discourage direct links to files. This also preferable in the case of the cross platform games, for obvious reasons. Someone can add download sizes, if they're necessary.  vlad§inger  tlk  04:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In any event, its against our guidelines to directly link to software downloads - see WP:EL. You might want to check those links with respect to  WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided, too. We would normally only link to the official page, for example. Marasmusine (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Download Links

message: This game is listed as available for osx and linux, though this is not true. It's Windows only, according to both the website and its wiki. With all the things I research, I'm surprised that the first time Wikipedia ever disappointed me with misinformation, it was about a video game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.136.41 (talk) 01:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Warmonger

message: Sorry if this has been discussed before, but since Half Life 2: Deathmatch is available for free (albeit only through Steam) it seems as if it should be added to the list.--81.141.239.225 (talk) 16:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not free, it costs $4.99. It was free to some people who had ati or radeon graphics cards, and there may have been other deals. But its clearly not free to everyone.Blacksmith (talk) 10:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  HL2: DM 

message: Please consider the FPS games from http://www.instantaction.com/ as well as http://www.battlefield-heroes.com/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andwan0 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Considerations 

message: This should be added. http://arenalive.zexos.org/ Dan Dart (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, if there is a reliable, third-party source for verification (WP:V). Marasmusine (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arena Live 

message: This should be added.  http://www.rising-eagle.com/  Publisher is http://www.igaworldwide.com/ Rising Eagle is a team-based, tactical first-person shooter set in 2040.
Minimum system requirements: 2.4 GHz Pentium 4, 768MB RAM, 128MB video card Carl McCall (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem to have received any media attention yet. Marasmusine (talk) 09:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rising Eagle 

message: This should be added. http://prismthegame.com/  Publisher is http://www.rivalinteractive.com/ and http://www.arng.army.mil/Pages/Default.aspx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.171.205 (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PRISM: Guard Shield 

message: Seems unnecessary, since the links are in the articles, and we are not a directory. Thoughts? Marasmusine (talk) 16:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Official Website" column 

message: Just had a wander through the article and did a little cleanup:
#Removed a few entries - Army Rage, Red Crucible 2, Sub Rosa, and War Inc. - which either were speedily deleted for non-notability or advertising, or had no articles to begin with.
#Eliminated any redlinks.  Except for the above games, the content is otherwise unchanged in these cases.
#Changed all instances of "micropayment" to the more accepted microtransaction.
Just an FYI. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 09:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spring cleaning 

message: Can someone add the rest of the games mentioned at http://www.mmobomb.com/games/mmofps (2 pages).
Also, perhaps we need to rename the page to "List of freeware first and third-person shooters"; this as many battlefield-type games allow switching between 1 and 3 person views and/or automatically switch when entering a vehicle.
109.130.240.129 (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: freeware clients

message: Dirty Bomb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Bomb_%28video_game%29
Andwan0 (talk) 09:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing games to consider?