Talk:Half-mast

message: Undue weight.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.252.91.110 (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Undue weight and detail to English-speaking countries

message: Can anyone point me to a US presidential proclamation indicating that the flag should be flown at half staff today, 9/11/2005? I get the sense from this page that the president proclaimed the flag should be flown at half staff on 9/11 every year since 2001, but I am unable to find that proclamation. —BenFrantzDale 23:27, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
:Answering my own question. The president declared 9/11 as Patriot Day , including that the flag should be flown at half staff. —BenFrantzDale 23:27, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
Is there a webpage that gives the reason why a flag is flown at half-staff on aany particular day?  I was wondering why in the US today, February 1, 2006 it is at half staff.  I'm guessing because of the death of Coretta Scott King but I'm not sure. Schizombie 21:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The place to get information when the flag is lowered under order of the president is http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/.  Otherwise it is left up to each state governor.  Assawyer 23:40, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  I searched the NYS Governor's website and didn't turn up anything on why they were at half yesterday. Schizombie 14:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: What I would do is call the governor's office and inquire if it was an official act or people put the flag at half staff on their own, if you really want to know.Assawyer 15:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 9/11

message: I'm a little puzzled by the references to Diana's death in the UK section. How could there be "public outcry" that no flag was flying at half-mast over Buckingham Palace, if flying flags at half-mast was previously unheard of in the UK (even for the death of a monarch)? 
217.155.20.163 22:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-staff for Princess Diana 

message: This is in Finland...
On a normal "no holiday, no celebration" day the flag should not be raised at all (ships, diplomatic vehicles, government buildings etc are a different story).
But when a person who lived in an apartment dies, it's customary for the property manager to hoist all the flags (s)he is responsible for at half staff for the day. Of course the same applies for owners of any kind of house/estate/whatever, but they are definitely forgiven if they forget the task while mourning.
But I do not know what the tradition is when a holiday (say, the Finnish Independence Day) and a death occur on the same day. Any other Finns here to shed some light on this?
Also, after reading the examples it seems no other country has the same tradition; i.e. local half-staff hoist after the death of any person, royal or not. Is this a weird Finn thing? :)
--Shigataganai 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this only happen in Finland? 

message: The article includes this line: "The terms half-staff and half-mast are generally considered synonymous, despite common folk theories that half-mast should be reserved for nautical uses."  While maybe most civilians consider them synonymous, they certainly are not.  If you mention half-mast on a US Army installation you will be corrected as there are no masts located on the grounds, same as saying half-staff on a boat. It's definitely not a common folk theory. Jrssr5 17:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm from the UK, and I never heard "half staff" before I visited the USA. 24.108.87.94 (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  half-mast vs half-staff 

message: The article includes the line "The term "half-staff" is commonly used erroneously to refer to half-mast, although military tradition indicates that "half-mast" is generally reserved to usage aboard a ship, where flags are typically flown from masts.[2][3]  Not all English-speaking nations observe this distinction.[4]"
If half-staff is erroneous, and half-mast is refers to ships, what should this be called?  Could someone please clarify?  Maybe explain the differences between civil and military use if that is the issue, or explain the usage in different countries?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.153.42 (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused 

message: Please see my query on the Language Reference Desk:
*WP:RD/L#The term "half-staff" in the UK, Ireland, India and other English-speaking countries
—Mathew5000 (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-staff usage outside US? - refdesk query 

message: The second paragraph includes this sentence:
According to American literature although military tradition indicates that "half-mast" is generally reserved to usage aboard a ship, where flags are typically flown from masts.
This doesn't make grammatical sense to me. What purpose does the word although serve here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.186.224 (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Going through the past revisions, it seems that Brixtonboy did a major edit to clarify that half-staff was an American term, but his unuseful, good-faith edit broke the sentence at the same time and made the sentence into a fragment. It also turned the sentence into a biased POV with the inclusion of "appears to be an American term". The original sentence added before that revision by Brixtonboy is here. I have reverted to the previous and rewrote the sentence to remove any biases in POV. - M0rphzone (talk) 03:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brixtonboy recently moved the article from Half-staff to Half-mast with the comment "Have consulted with other wikipedians and the consensus in talk is that Half Mast is the correct internationally accepted name." In light of this, the following sentence seems a bit strange: "In the US, the term 'half-mast' is commonly used colloquially to refer to half-staff, although US law and military tradition indicate that 'half-mast' is generally reserved to usage aboard a ship, where flags are typically flown from masts." It seems to be written from the point of view that "half-staff" is the normal term. Meters (talk) 18:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar problem? 

message: "The governor's authority to issue the order is more restricted than the president's and does not include the discretion to issue the order for state residents who do not meet the criteria stated."
Some states, such as Minnesota https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=1.51&year=2012&keyword_type=all&keyword=flag have statutes that extend the governor's authority. Does this supersede federal law? Should this be noted in the article?
Aaron S. Kurland (talk) 13:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Governors 

message: I looked at the article assessment backlog at WP:WikiProject_Heraldry_and_vexillology/Assessment and saw that this article had been listed for reassessment about three years ago.  I'd like to upgrade it to B class, but it still needs some work before I can do that.  While I would agree that the article has grown considerably in scope since it was last rated (in 2006), it continues to need work to bring it up to B class (note the H&V wikiproject does not use a C class).  The specific criteria for B class (as far as WP:HV is concerned anyway) are:
#The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.
#The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
#The article has a defined structure.
#The article is reasonably well-written.
#The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.
#The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way.
This article, as it currently stands, fails criteria #1 and #3, as most sections are entirely unreferenced and most others need additional citations, and many sections seem to be placed in random order.  I would suggest alphabetizing all sections and adding at least one or two inline citations to reliable sources in each section.  I would be willing to pass this article on B class criteria with some lacking citations, but not when some sections lack any references at all.  Completely unreferenced sections include: Australia, China, Germany, Greece, India, Ireland, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Zimbabwe.  Get some proper references in each of these sections, address the overall structural issues, and we could have a B class article! Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 03:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article reassessment 

message: The article states "Australia's Sydney Harbour Bridge flew the French flag at half mast because of the Paris attacks on November 13 of 2015".
This is not true. The flags were flown at full-mast although I can't seem to find out why.
110.142.214.120 (talk) 00:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  French flag - Sydney Harbour Bridge 

message: In the section on U.S. custom, there is this line:
"There is no penalty for failure to comply with the above law as to enforce such a penalty would violate the First Amendment.[citation needed]"
It seems logical that in a country without a penalty for burning a flag, flying the flag incorrectly would also be legal, but my quick Web search didn't give any explicit citation, but does give this:
https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf
"Again, the provisions of the Flag Code on flying the flag at half-staff are, like all the Code’s provisions, a guide only. They do not apply, as a matter of law, to the display of the flag at half-staff by private individuals and organizations. No federal restrictions or court decisions are known that limit such an individual’s lowering his own flag or that make such display alone a form of desecration."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EinkomischerKauz (talk • contribs) 17:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Amendment 

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message: with keyword "half-mast".--虹易 (talk) 07:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  More examples from UN 

message: Palestinian Flag not included in list.
Abbas approved lowering of flag to recognised Balfour Declaration 1.129.109.161 (talk) 05:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omission of Palestinian Flag