Talk:Islamic music

message: User:Zora, your recent edit removed the citations from the article, contra Wikipedia:Cite sources. Please re-add the citations, revert the text, or provide sources for your assertions. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 03:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work integrating my edits. I now accept the loss of citation as it would be too difficult to keep among the uncited information all mixed up, because it is preserved on the pages of those genres. Hyacinth 05:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Myself, I don't see the point of citing stuff that is so well-known that any source would have it. That's an academic self-defense tic that isn't necessary in an encyclopedia. Stuff that is recherche or controversial should be cited. If I've missed any of that, I'll fix it. Just let me know what you think needs work. Zora 09:09, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: A bunch of the links I added, by copying the addresses from one browser to another, have stopped working. I don't understand quite WHY. Are there enough people clicking on them that they've gone over their allotment? 
I resume link hunting. Zora 06:55, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links don't work 

message: Although I am not a muslim, I am aware that many Muslims find naming of its key figures disrespectful without apropriate salutations, commonly "Peace be upon him". Would it be apropriate to edit the shortened form (pbuh) after the mentions of Mohamed(pbuh) and Allah(pbuh) in the article? A muslim friend once told me some muslims find it quite disrespectful, and disrespect is certainly not the intent of this article. Duckmonster 3:56pm 5feb2006 +8GMT
: I don't really think it's disrespectful not to do that; it's only respectful to include that. However, Wikipedia must maintain a neutral point of view, which means omitting (pbuh). By the way, it should be Allah (swt) not Allah (pbuh) for Subhanahu wa ta'ala. joturner 05:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. Fair enough. However, I would argue basic polite cultural courtesy is not POV. Keep in mind I am not muslim, so I am not coming from that POV. However, if the consensus is it is unnecesary, then fine. Duckmonster 14:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you check the edit pages of some of the main Wikipedia Islam articles, you will find there are a virtual army of editors, many Muslim themselves, who make a point of going through and removing any of the phrases of blessing other editors have inserted after names -- some people feel very, very strongly that it reflects a bias.  For many or most Muslims (myself included) it is simply not a big deal if the preference is to leave it off -- at the very least it is not something meant to be incumbent upon non-Muslims.  --66.109.253.61 21:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respectful nameing 

message: The yahoo group that was listed under External Links contains a wealth of information, including photographs, lyrics, translations, song lists.  In that respect, it's really no different from a web site?  In view of that, can we leave it in?
Much of the "lyrics, translations, song lists" info is unique and not available elsewhere on the net.  --Sarabseth 12:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chat Groups 

message: Adhan, Salat and Tajweed are all not musical or singing at all.  I'd be interested in knowing how they are considered music.  Adhan is "call to prayer", you do not sing it, you call it.  You don't need any tune or rythem at all.  calling salat singing is redculus, just because they say it all together does not make it music.
Tajweed is about pronouncing the letters and thewords properly, how can it be lumped into music?!
--Maha Odeh 12:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly have no idea; i'm with you on this one. MezzoMezzo 14:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not music or singining at all 

message: To some extent, I think this article should be merged together with the nasheed article.  I don't think the recent insertions are constructive: the sources are generally not reliable and the shift in tone isn't encyclopedic. I'll try in the very near future to include a summary from the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim world (p. 492 onwards) which includes a fair entry about this topic. It does mention that instruments, sensuous or non-religious music and the like have generally been considered forbidden/discouraged in Muslim thought (with the exception of a few Sufi groups). It also notes that most Islamic music is in the forms of songs (i.e. wedding songs, lullabies, devotional), poetry, chants (work songs, caravan chants, military) is generally accepted - this also presents as anashid. It appears that the latter group was considered to be "nonmusic" and the more discouraged types were classed as "music" proper. ITAQALLAH 17:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thoughts 

message: `Aa'ishah (radiAllahu `anha) said:
"Allaah's Messenger (pbuh) entered (my house) when I had two little girls singing the songs of Bu`aath and beating on a duff; so he lay down on the bed and turned his face away. Then Abu Bakr came in and scolded me saying, 'The flutes of Shaytaan (the Devil) played in the presence of Allaah's Messenger?' So Allaah's Messenger (pbuh) turned toward him and said, Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr! Every people have a `Eed, and this is our `Eed."
Also the duff was used in occasions such as weddings, therefore the prohibition on instruments could exclude this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.190.106 (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duff - the single-sided drum? Halal? 

message: I am confused about the subject of this article. It's titled Islamic music, which means music that in itself has something to do with Islam or expresses Islam. Then the article starts with a long section about musics in various majority-Muslim countries. Some of the music in those countries has to do with Islam, but a lot of it doesn't. What is the intent of this page? 131.90.0.236 (talk) 00:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Subject of article

message: Removed four sources that were no longer live links, leaving only one link discussing music being Haram in Islamic culture. Could use more sources. Junaos (talk) 22:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of Music being Haram

message: The word "sung" in the opening sentence has been replaced with "meowed" by a user with only a IPv6 address.  This very much appears to be vandalism.
JulianL (talk) 05:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It is better to limit this article to "Islamic devotional music", as opposed to "Music of the Muslim world", as the Muslim world is incredibly diverse and not all of its musical tastes are connected to Islam.VR talk 11:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Limited to Islamic devotional music

message: Islam and music --Louis P. Boog (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Split off prohibition on music to a separate article