Talk:Chinese civilization/Archive 16

message: Since the flag icon is removed on Republic of China and People's Republic of China per WP:FLAG, shouldn't we do the same on  this page for the sake of consistency? nattang 16:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: A talk page should be focus on the article, not bitching or try to insult the country.  VivaLaED 06:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: nope u got it all backwards ....i agree Modelun88 03:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I thought this is a talk page?

message: "China's science and technology fell behind that of Europe by the 17th century." 
Wheres the proof of this??
:Yeah, it is kind of original research. Some sources I remembered seeing ages ago said "China fell behind Europe in the late 18th, early 19th century". I'll try find them. Oidia (talk) 13:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wanna be precise it's important to distinguish between "fell behind" and "was behind". If it fell behind in the 17th century, then certainly it was behind in the 18th and 19th centuries. I mean, you need to define at which point in time the Chinese civ was overtaken by the Western civ. Gantuya eng 13:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is East behind West? This question has always been one of the fundamental. Gantuya eng 14:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Typically, "East" refers to China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Mongolia. "West" refers to Europe and North America. (Correct me if I'm wrong). So why just comparing "East" and "West"? There are more parts and civilisations on this planet than just those 2. Oidia (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. In a broader sence, East also refers to India, Muslem world. In an even broader sence, it sometimes involves Africa, Native American civs, etc. In a way, West is West, all the rest is East. And according to some of the Western writers (which icludes also Russia/USSR), the Western civ was dynamic, while the non-Western civs were static. Translated into Chinese, the West is "Yang"  and the East is "Yin". Translated into Mongolian, the West is "Arga" (logic) and the East is "Bilig" (intuition). Gantuya eng 14:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually the Far East refers to East Asia, which includes Greater China, Japan, both Koreas and Mongolia. Americans refers "Asians" as East Asians and Middle Easterners or Indians as south-west Asians. Profession 10:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see anything wrong in being static. Last time I asked "Is the mankind happier now than 3000 years ago?" I doubt in the advantages of Capitalism, Western style competitions, race for money and ever-accelerating technological advances. This makes the Earth a "preta realm". That the West is "logic" and the East is "intuition" rather suggests West and East are inter-supplementing. Life requires both logic and intuition. Gantuya eng 15:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race of civilizations 

message: ::I just want to say that even though the official name of the government administering Taiwan is the Republic of China, Taiwan should not be considered as part of China. The map in the infobox should be modified.--Jerry 19:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you read the discussion above, you will see that editors have agreed to create a new map. So we will modify it once the new map is created. Chris! my talk 21:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I didn't know that. I've gone ahead and modified it already, I still think a new map is needed, though.--Jerry 21:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Taiwan

message: In the opening paragraph of the history section, could someone please remove the reference to "India". Indus Valley civilisation is the name of the civilisation, the country India cant be used as a reference, most notably because the civilisation is mostly based in modern day Pakistan.
Thank you. Xinjao 19:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I'll remove "India". I remember seeing on a forum where there is a heated debate whether Indus Valley civilisation is India or Pakistian. Oidia (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indus Valley Civilisation 

message: Someone add the link to the Arabic article http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%8A%D9%86 --69.181.102.134 04:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked? 

message: I believe that the poster here reproduced is a racist Propaganda "White" Russian poster and should not be used in the WP article on the alleged role of the Chinese in the Russian Revolution which requires the use of scholarly references. I ask that interested editors on China come to the article and help clean it up of its POV image which I think does not give the proper respect to the great Chinese people and their ancient civilization. Thank you. --Ludvikus 01:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I believe that a propaganda is always a biased POV. Besides, this article is about 3000-5000 years of Chinese civilisation as a whole, so these minor political materials are probably not noteworthy enough to be in the article. Oops!...I did it again (talk) 03:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chinese in Russian Revolution]] 

message: The is a error with the new map. The areas labelled ROC in 1912 actually represent the area it controlled in 1945. 70.42.116.9 08:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'll follow it up. Pojanji 08:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean China controlled Mongolia in 1945? Mongolia was independent since 1911 and China had no real control of Mongolia. Gantuya eng 13:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While Mongolia did declare independence in 1911, the Mongolia article in Wikipedia reads "Chinese troops led by Xu Shuzheng occupied the [Mongolian] capital in 1919." So I would says Chinese influence in Mongolia ended around 1919. Just to clarify. Chris! ct 02:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your clarification. ;) That was just a temporary occupation and was expelled the next year. It was even shorter than, for example, the German occupation of certain European countries during WWII. Gantuya eng 04:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Map