Talk:Eiríkr Hákonarson

message: Eric of Hlathir  IP Address 09:37, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they the same person? They should be merged. Srnec 04:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Interesting how one article was only concerned with his Norwegian career while the other was only concerned with his English career :) Haukur 23:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge duplicate 

message: *Heimskringla - Treats Eiríkr extensively. Available online; both the original text and at least one English translation.
*Fagrskinna - Treats Eiríkr extensively. You can read some of the recent English translation through Google Books.
*Morkinskinna - Doesn't treat Eiríkr at all, starts in 1030.
*Ágrip - Treats Eiríkr somewhat. Unfortunately I haven't got a copy at hand and I can't find anything online.
*Knýtlinga saga - The most extensive source, I think, on Eiríkr's career in England
*Historia Norvegiæ - Treats Eiríkr somewhat. A recent English translation is on Google Books.
*Theodricus - Does mention Eiríkr and apparently tells about his conversion to Christianity.
*Jómsvíkinga saga - Lots of stuff, though perhaps not very reliable.
The later kings' sagas are almost completely derivative works from these. Haukur 23:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kings' sagas]]

message: He was a medieval ruler, almost a king but not nominally such. Naming conventions direct him to be titled by English first name(s) and with his main title. His title of course could be earl, but I am aware of Jarl being a somewhat specific case in medieval Scandinavia, and I am willing to follow the exception of a honorific being not translatable without resulting to confusion. Analogous examples are Robert I, Duke of Burgundy and Valdemar, Duke of Finland. Maed 12:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: :Please add and sign with ~~~~ a one-sentence comment here. 
*Support as nom. Maed 13:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice

message: I'm getting the impression you're trying to get this up to WP:FA... 's that right? ;) —Nightstallion (?) 10:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that would be nice :) but it will take a long time and there are still some books I don't have. Haukur 11:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curious... 

message: Scottish control of Lothian was strengthened with Máel Coluim II's victory over the Northumbrians and the Battle of Carham (1018).
If I may quote from the text: "And in 1017 Canute...gave...Northumbria to Eric...Eric remained as earl of Northumbria until his death. His earlship is primarily notable in that it is never recorded that he ever fought with the Scots or the Britons of Strathclyde, who were usually constantly threatening Northumbria...Eric's death can not strictly be placed more precisely than between 1023 and 1033."
However, Máel Coluim II of Scotland won a victory over the the Northumbrians at the Battle of Carham in 1018. Clearly that battle falls in the time period when Eric was earl of Northumbria. My sources are multiple, but for example:
A History of Northumberland, in Three Parts by John Hodgson, John Hodgson-Hinde, James Raine - 1858
- Page 162 - "Symeon, in his Church History, gives an account of this battle, fought at Carham
on the Tweed, AD 1018."
The ruler of Northumberland at this time is named as Eadulf not Eric. Though of course Northumberland was a dual Earldom and Eric had the Southern, Yorkshire, end; I find it hard to think, given the scale of the battle, that Eric would not have had even a small involvement. It does apear that after the battle a state of peace prevails between Northumberland and Scotland. Possibly some more research required here.
Additional, the date given for Eric gaining his Earldom is the death of Uchtread in 1016.
:Eiríkr was earl of (southern) Northumbria, based on York, not of Northumberland. Northumberland was included in Uchtred and Eadwulf's earldom of Bernicia, the frontier between the two being about the Tees. Richard Fletcher's Bloodfeud is quite good on Northumbria in this period. Hope this helps, Angus McLellan  (Talk) 19:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistancy. 

message: I dont like this "Eric Haakonsson", semi-modern-Norwegian spelling. I dont think it was right to move this article boldly to Eric Haakonsson without discussion, when there had been an existing talk thread above #Naming where an agreement was reached (between Haukur and Srnec). 
Thhist who performed the move commented "We use anglicised names" however, "Eirik Hakonarson (Earl of Norway)" is also anglicized spelling, and it is the one that as appears in Penguin classics translation of Icelandic sagas. 
WP:UE on foreign names advises using prevalent spelling as used by RS. Since primary sources of substances are almost all Old Icelandic literature, I think scholarly commentaries on them (in English) are likely to fall on the "Eiríkr Hákonarson" or "Eirik Hakonarson" spelling.
As a crude measure, I did a books.google search (with +"Norway" as filter to constrain to English language books) and the count on the current name was rather low:
* "Eric Haakonson" 8; "Erik Haakonson" 15
* "Eirik Haakonsson" 7
* "Eric Hakonson" 24; "Erik Hakonson" 24
* "Eirik Hakonarson" 98, "Eirikr Hakonarson" 70 "Eirík Hákonarson 98
--Kiyoweap (talk) 20:30, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The undiscussed move from Eiríkr Hákonarson should be reverted. I would kindly ask an admin to just do it, or else propose it as uncontroversial at WP:RM. I myself am not a fan of normalised Old Norse orthography, but its preponderance in this case is clear and the current title is unusual. Srnec (talk) 01:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving without discussion to Eric Haakonsson 

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