Talk:Northern Territory Police Force

message: I'm curious as to why the "Arms" and "Speed enforcement" sections have images clearly lifted from the internet and not specifically relevant to the NT Police. For instance, the pictures of the AR-15's and Taser are not the types used by the NT Police, while the radar andlidar images are those taken from internet sites that have such items for sale etc.
I'm also wondering why the NT Police pages needs to list EVERY section within the Force without expanding on any information about said secion, where other State/Territory pages on Wiki only list major units/sections that have a bit of history/info etc. Seems uneeded and messy in its current layout/format.
---  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.197.8 (talk) 05:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: I have deleted this section. No other police article I could find included a list of people shot, much less one focused on a single race of people. There are category pages that list notable instances (:Category:Deaths in police custody in Australia, :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Australia, :Category:Deaths by firearm in the Northern Territory) and a general page on Aboriginal deaths in custody. See Wikipedia:BALASP. VisitingSamG (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted this section and added a few of the better sourced and more recent incidents to controvesies section. Also added context to the Rolfe incident and added 'also see' to controversies that link to massacres in aust, aboriginal deaths in custody, and police shootings. SNITZ01 (talk) 03:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suggest moving the incidents from the "Controversies" section to a new section titled "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" and remove the See also from Controversies. Melbguy05 (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be left to the topics in the also see where they can be fully elaborated on (the incidents are covered in those topics) while leaving the more notable and/or recent incidents to this topic. There's also a section in the law enforcement in Australia article that covers Colonial legacy of law enforcement in which some the incidents could be covered. As @VisitingSamG pointed out, no other law enforcement article (at least in an Australian context) provides a section dedicated to indiginous deaths, it would make this and other articles more succinct by keeping historical incidents to the dedicated articles and categories and providing a link to them from this one. SNITZ01 (talk) 00:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The section is overwhelming related to indigenous incidents (7 out of the 8 incidents) with the exception of the Chamberlain matter. MOS:SECTIONS - A section heading should describe its content and be "sufficiently precise". "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" is a neutral heading compared to "Officers involved in the killings of Aboriginal people". WP:UNDUE - It would not be undue weight for a separate section now that you have made a condensed list of the incidents added by . The Chamberlain case can remain in the separate section headed "Controversies". The article Aboriginal deaths in custody, the List of massacres in Australia and the Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Australia do not have any other Northern Territory incidents so I don't see the value in adding section hatnotes for them. Melbguy05 (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, it seems redundant. However, I wont press the point if a "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" is created. SNITZ01 (talk) 03:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aboriginal deaths in custody 

message: The title of this section may lead to an assumption that all of the incidents listed were not justified or ruled a crime, I suggest deleting the section and adding the massicares and other unjustifiable incidents to the controversies section. Another option is to rename the section and/or add a sentence before the list to clarafy both illegal and justified acts are included.
I understand it's a touchy subject for some and people may have opinions on what was and wasn't murder or justified, but the article needs to adhere to rules of neutrality. SNITZ01 (talk) 11:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted this section and added a few of the better sourced and more recent incidents to controvesies section. Also added context to the Rolfe incident and added 'also see' to controversies that link to massacres in aust, aboriginal deaths in custody, and police shootings. SNITZ01 (talk) 03:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suggest moving the incidents from the "Controversies" section to a new section titled "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" and remove the See also from Controversies. Melbguy05 (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be left to the topics in the also see where they can be fully elaborated on (the incidents are covered in those topics) while leaving the more notable and/or recent incidents to this topic. There's also a section in the law enforcement in Australia article that covers Colonial legacy of law enforcement in which some the incidents could be covered. As @VisitingSamG pointed out, no other law enforcement article (at least in an Australian context) provides a section dedicated to indiginous deaths, it would make this and other articles more succinct by keeping historical incidents to the dedicated articles and categories and providing a link to them from this one. SNITZ01 (talk) 00:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The section is overwhelming related to indigenous incidents (7 out of the 8 incidents) with the exception of the Chamberlain matter. MOS:SECTIONS - A section heading should describe its content and be "sufficiently precise". "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" is a neutral heading compared to "Officers involved in the killings of Aboriginal people". WP:UNDUE - It would not be undue weight for a separate section now that you have made a condensed list of the incidents added by . The Chamberlain case can remain in the separate section headed "Controversies". The article Aboriginal deaths in custody, the List of massacres in Australia and the Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Australia do not have any other Northern Territory incidents so I don't see the value in adding section hatnotes for them. Melbguy05 (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, it seems redundant. However, I wont press the point if a "Indigenous deaths associated with police contact" is created. SNITZ01 (talk) 03:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Officers involved in the killings of Aboriginal people - Deletion or Modification 

message: Considering removing former rank structs from the ranks selection, they're historically interesting but may be better left in Australian police ranks article. SNITZ01 (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned up ranks and added an 'also see' to Australian police ranks which contains the history of ranks. SNITZ01 (talk) 12:43, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranks