Talk:Kyle Rae

message: Perhaps too neutral POV? Kyle Rae has been a controversial and divisive figure. He stands out from much of the rest of the pack both in his better qualities and his flaws.
I agree. This gives almost no flavour of who he is or the strong reactions he generates.
It's a real scream how Wikipedia says its an open source encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but there still exists an official version that is reverted to when anyone tries to make a listing more comprehensive, up-to-date or even interesting. Digital Maoism, indeed!
Why bother fucking having editing or talk pages? Just put out your "official" version and be done with it! Stop this pretense that "anyone" can edit it, because that is an elaborate fictional hoax.
If the page is going to describe him as elected as a "left-leaning" councillor, then there ought to be reference to the fact that one of the major changes of his term in office is that he is no longer that, in fact, his support is mostly drawn from developers and the rich.
What in heck is going on here? I thought there was supposed to be discussion before reverts take place? That blows. (unsigned comment)
*If you provide a reference for your edit, then it won't be deleted as "unsubstantiated hearsay". If you don't, it just sounds like your posting your own opinion. Please see WP:CITE and WP:NPOV. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 10:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Doesn't this have NPOV problems? It makes Rae seem like a champion of this, that and the other - without giving any time to a wide-ranging and sustained critique of his time in office, both within and outside of the "gay community". For every "renewed calls for protecting heritage buildings" there are entire classes of people or problems he has written off and ignored. His entry into an contentious issue is predicated on his assumption that he can come out of it smelling like roses. To not acknowledge the breadth of criticism about this politician is to not really talk about him at all. Would you write about Clinton and leave out Lewinsky? Come on - let's get beyond the stubbiness. No-one seems to like my changes, they get deleted within minutes. So, then lets have someone who is a better researcher writer give this a thorough going over and cease this small time hagiographic approach.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.66.64 (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Text needs a reference

message: Place this here until I can find a good reference. Atrian 04:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a Google search for this using "Kyle Rae" "Mark Reid" and separated|separation. There were no hits. Atrian (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced statements

message: because of Premier Bob Rae's (no relation) inaction on gay rights issues.
This needs a reference and saying that the Rae government didn't act on gay rights is untrue - the Legislature overturned government legislation that would have given same-sex survivors the same rights as others. Rae simply let his membership lapse. This is a contentious period and needs to be referenced thoroughly. His own actions are not beyond scrutiny. [Text moved from article to talk page], unsigned edit by User:74.14.41.135, 21 May 2007.
:OK, so you may have a point. However such comments should be made on the talk page, not on the article itself. I reformatted the paragraph to remove the reference until it can be referenced properly. Atrian 17:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed differences with Ontario NDP 

message: Rae has been a lomg-time advocate for gentrification of the Gay Village.thestarmar28, [http://www.thestar.com/article/196745 "Condo would be country's tallest:
Councillor lauds 80-storey proposal for Yonge, Bloor"], March 28, 2007. 
As far back as 2000, he opposed a liquor licenses for entertainment establishments in the Gay Village.Xtra2000, "Balancing fun & quiet: Pub’s opponents worry about children & the ’hood", July 13 2000. He has been criticized for siding with wealthy land developers and establishment gays over the interests of younger, poorer, marginal gays.thestar2006, "Goodbye Gaytown? Church Street's gay village, the centre of gay culture in Toronto, is under siege", May 13, 2006. 
*I would like to dispute this newly added text. The references used do not support the text. For example, the first references refers to a development that is outside the "Gay Village". Regarding the liquor licence referred to in reference 2, Rae supports the application - he doesn't oppose it. The 3rd reference does not support that last claim. Rae's only remark is that he complains about street kids and the hustlers and the drug dealers. There's nothing in this article to support the claim that Rae is siding with  older gays at the expense of younger members of the gay community. Atrian 22:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New text 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 06:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to class=start today.  PKT(alk) 15:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Wow, the fascists at Wikipedia really come crawling out of the slimepit whenever non-institutionalized, non-conformist views are put up here. What a bunch of fuckwads you all are.
:Wikipedia is all about conformity. Maybe you should be updating Nonconformipedia instead. Atrian (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow.  

message: How does one cite something which is 'common knowledge' but not written up? Not all information finds its way into print. There is a difference between rumour-mongering and representing a fact that cannot be 'cited' but is nonetheless true. Please advise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.72.111 (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a primary source of information (see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). It relies on other sources as a basis for its articles. If something is added that can not be independently verified from another source it is called original research. This is against Wikipedia guidelines. I suggest you familiarize yourself with these guidelines before making further unverifiable claims. Atrian (talk) 01:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: "I don't believe he has an Honours from Brock, it doesn't say that on his city website" (quoted from an anonymous source). If this is a source of contention, it should be cited. Otherwise it will be removed. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  University credentials 

message: I'm fairly certain his birth year is 1954. Could somebody verify it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.181.120 (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year 

message: Why are statements regarding Rae's retirement party controversy considered POV?
Specifically
:Rob Ford has called for Rae to repay $12,000 for a retirement reception held at a high end restaurant billed to the city. He also called for Rae to submit his resignation immediately. When reached at city council Rae responded “Who cares what Rob Ford thinks?”. [15]
Everything there had a reference, if POV why not make it NPOV?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.156.213 (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about Kyle Rae, not Rob Ford. Text like this belongs in Ford's article. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 04:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Readded the statement omitting referenced facts including Rob Ford's name. Because apparently referenced facts surrounding the controversy make it biased. 69.171.156.213 (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement Party Controversy 

message: The introduction says that Rae was Ward 27 councillor from 1991-2010. This is incorrect. 
Rae was originally Ward Six councillor. After amalgamation in the late 1990s the boundaries were redrawn and Rae opted to move northward, ditching the St Lawrence for Rosedale and choosing instead to run in Ward 27 (half of Toronto-Centre).
This might seem a minor quibble, but there's a good argument to be made for the case that Rae's new constituency drew his politics rightward.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.134.247 (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ward 27 councillor 

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