Talk:Siege of Carthage (Third Punic War)

message: There are at least 4 Battles of Carthage. This is likely the most famous (for me it is), but we need a disambiguation page, anyway (or something like if you are looking for other meanings...). The other three battles are
* Battle of Carthage (238)
* Battle of Carthage (698)
* Battle of Carthage (1861)
gala.martin  <Small>(what?)</Small> 20:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call! Not sure where to move this though - there's some discussion about when the seige started. As soon as that gets sorted out, I agree the page should probably be moved to Battle of Carthage (149 BC) or Battle of Carthage (148 BC). - Vedexent 00:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

text: As the first is by some way the best known it should be the primary article under this title and this page should be turned into a disambiguation page. PatGallacher 12:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  disambiguation 

message: Realistically - the whole Third Punic War has only one major battle that I know of: this one. Should this article be rolled into the Third Punic War article? Are there more engagements in the 3rd Punic war that should be mentioned instead? - Vedexent 23:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we Merge? 

message: Why do we use "c. 149 BC"? (and not just "149 BC"?). I see that other articles are listed just with the date, without the c.. gala.martin  <Small>(what?)</Small> 04:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I just didn't get that c. stands for circa. Generally I write ca. for circa (I do not know why, maybe it was a latin use). So, that's ok. :) gala.martin  <Small>(what?)</Small> 17:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  why the c.? 

message: I thought that there was no corn in the Old World prior to it being brought from the New World... With respect, Ko Soi IX 11:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. You've got buildings in Britain called "Corn Hall" meaning a general purpose Grain Exchange. Varlaam (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Corn Fields

message: The third Punic war says it is impossible to salt the fields, but here it says the Romans choose not to salt the fields. Which is it? Also the map of Carthage should be included in this article, it would make it clearer. 85.216.31.171 12:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  two points 

message: Shouldn't this just be Siege of Carthage?  It was not really a battle, the disambiguation using a "c." is annoying, and it's clearly the primary topic for the term. john k (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Any other suggestions?.--Darius (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siege 

message: I am very skeptical about the source for the following passage in the text:
"The Carthaginians manned the walls and defied the Romans, a situation which lasted for two years. In this period, the 500,000 Carthaginians inside the wall transformed the town into a huge arsenal. They produced about 300 swords, 500 spears, 140 shields and 1,000 projectiles for catapults daily.[1]"
First and for all, the author of the text lived almost three hundred years after the events discussed in this article. Are there no better sources available? I am also highly skeptical about the population of Carthage: half a million souls is a number Rome probably may just yet have reached at this time in history, and probably Carthage had not by far yet done so. I would like to see a better source, instead of a 2nd century AD writer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.212.81.103 (talk) 20:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source reliability? 

message: Which calendar is being used, Julian or Gregorian? Depending the BC may need to be replaced to BCE. There seems to be a shift in the academic sector towards BCE. Here is a Wiki page regarding it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era
(Ms.mandy333 (talk) 02:23, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: BC Verbiage

message: The tense in this article changes and should be consistent throughout. 
Example 1: (First paragraph, second sentence) It was a siege operation, starting sometime between 149 and 148 BC, and ending in spring 146 BC with the sack and complete destruction of the city of Carthage.
Updated to: It was a siege operation that started between 149 and 148 BCE and ended with the sack and complete destruction of the city of Carthage in the spring of 146 BCE.
Example 2: (4th paragraph, 1st sentence) The Romans elected the young but popular Scipio Aemilianus as consul, a special law being passed to lift the age restriction. 
Updated to: A special law was passed to lift the age restriction and the Romans elected the popular, young Scipio Aemilianus as consul. Ms.mandy333 (talk) 02:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Tense

message: I am new to Wikipedia editing and so don't want to do this myself, but I suggest amending the "Causalities and Losses" sidebar in the "Siege of Carthage" page from 450,000 killed to 150,000 killed and replacing the source with Ben Kiernan, “The First Genocide: Carthage, 146 BC,” Diogenes 51.3 (2004), 27, link at https://gsp.yale.edu/sites/default/files/first_genocide.pdf
Any casualty figure for an ancient battle is a guess, but Kiernan's is much more reasonable and better sourced, and Diogenes is a peer-reviewed jouurnal. The current figure of 450,000 seems to have been arrived at by deducting Roman reports of 50,000 slaves taken from a guess at the pre-destruction population of 500,000--not a good way to do it. UofTprof (talk) 13:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties too high